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oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, January 19 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1724



Re: HEI Swap.  Real Life Benefits?
Re: Impala SS Lowering Springs and Air Bags
Re: differential noise
65 f85 Model
RE: Accident Pics
Re: differential noise
Don't mind my snapper
Re: [Textured chip protection paint]
Re: experiences with summit
Subscribe Oldsmobile Digest
Re: 1987 Olds 307 in a Buick Regal
Re: 80 Olds carb question
Re: '71 Olds ID
Re: 9000 rpm Aurora/Northstar
Re: Crane Rocker Arms/pedestals for SBO
75 442
Re: Crane Rocker Arms/pedestals for SBO
Re: 75 442
RE: 75 442
Re: Sandblasting SSII wheels
Re: Crane Rocker Arms/pedestals for SBO
GMC's El Camino
Re: 68 W30 questions
Re: Crane Rocker Arms/pedestals for SBO
Re: 68 W30 questions
Re: 68 W30 questions
color of front suspension parts
Re: 88 Cutlass GT (long)
Re: color of front suspension parts
Olds Models
Re: 3[9]4 in a 79??? + End Carbs?? + others and a short Unsub.
Re: experiences with summit
RE: Accident Pics
Re: experiences with summit
FS: 1954 Oldsmobile S-88 2 door body
Re: 68 W30 questions
Re: Need info on 1970 Radio Delete
Re: Clutch actuation assembly conversion
Re: 68 W30 questions
Parting out/selling 1970 OLDs 98 4 door sedan.
RE: Parting out/selling 1970 OLDs 98 4 door sedan.
Re: Olds Models
test, ignore, unless your really bored ;)
Re: Rumble Rumble *Sputter* Rumble *BANG* Rumble....I think my baby is  sick...
1964 Jetstar I for sale in CA.
Olds Career Planning - Wyoming Tech
Re: Olds Models
Re: Parts interchange was RE: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels
Re: Parts interchange was RE: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels
Re: Olds Career Planning - Wyoming Tech
442 or what?
Re: Olds Career Planning - Wyoming Tech
RE: 442 or what?
Re: 442 or what?
Re: 442 or what?
Re: [Re: 442 or what?]
Re: Olds Career Planning - Wyoming Tech
Re: F-41/sway bars
RE: Power Steering
Private party buying over the net
Re: Olds Career Planning - Wyoming Tech
Re: HEI Swap.  Real Life Benefits?
NON OLDS, Harman Kardon
Re: Power Steering
Re: Recurving Distributor Chatter
Wire Hubcaps
close enough to spring
Re: 3[9]4 in a 79??? + End Carbs?? + others and a short Unsub.

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:06:13 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: HEI Swap.  Real Life Benefits?

I'd like to thank everyone for their input on my HEI question.  I'm
definitely leaning toward the swap.  But since I have other things to get
for the car of a more pressing nature.  I'll probably just nickel and dime
my way toward the project until I have all the parts, including the new
alternator, new plug wires, etc.  Since my current distributor is fine, I'll
let patience prevail, and do it right.  If anyone else has been following
this thread and has something to add, I'll gladly hear anyone's advice or
input.  I'll be glad to receive private e-mails on the subject if anyone
wants to comment but feels this thread has fizzled out.

Thanks again, all.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:22:50 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Impala SS Lowering Springs and Air Bags

> >If you did put in the air bags then you could find a load leveler system at
> the
> >wreckers and adjust the air pressure "on the fly":)  Pump them up for
> clearance
> >and to compensate for having cargo (friends, beer, etc.) in the back.  When
> you
> >want to race the guy next to you at the lights drop the pressure and move
> move
> >weight over the rear tires.

The only problem with this is that for taking off you want the pressure
different in each bag to preload the rear end.  Easy enough to do with
an valve with a solenoid to select which bag you're reading the
pressure/pumping up.

BTW, the Air Lift Corp. (which makes the airbags) was a division of
Oldsmobile many moons ago. 

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
95 Aurora 
OCA# 30442

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:39:44 -0500
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: differential noise

THOMAS_ZSCHERPEL@HP-PaloAlto-om13.om.hp.com wrote:

>      Hi,
>
>      I have a 64' Cutlass with the original 330 engine and standard 10 bolt
>      diff.
>
>      My problem: whenever I drive between 65 mph and 70 mph my differential
>      starts "singing". The sound then disappears at speeds over 70 mph. It
>      is louder when the drivetrain is under load, i.e. the sound is
>      basically not present when I coast at the same speeds.
>
>      I am very certain that it is the diff and not the driveshaft or the
>      wheel bearings, etc, because when I changed my diff-oil to W140 and
>      added some "diff-anti-noise" lubricant my singing became less loud.
>      But it is still there. It can't be vibrations from engine or tranny
>      because I have no noise when I drive in the lower gear with the same
>      rpm. Btw, the rear wheel bearings are new, and a visual inspection off
>      the diff gears did not show any wear.
>

>      Any suggestions ?
>
>     Thomas,

Don't know if this helps you but.......
I had a F*rd F-150 that had the same symptoms and it turned out to be the
bearings in the yoke section of the rear end had gone bad. Not fun. The noise
started at high speeds and progressed to whining at all speeds.
For what its worth,

Mark Hahn

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:57:09 -0500
From: "Mick Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: 65 f85 Model

Not on the List: please reply privately to Gerry Porter gtporter@home.com

I have a friend how has restored a 1965 F85 Convertible he asked me see
if anyone new if there is a Model of this car produced by any model
company, to your knowledge or associates do you know if there is such a
thing.
Gerry Porter

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:39:45 -0500
From: "Snapper Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Accident Pics

Yeah man, that sucks hard.  But it's not ~too~ bad.  You could be like Igor
and get out and strangle the dear to death after you hit it.  Well, if you
had hit a dear.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hybernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:45:23 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: differential noise

In a message dated 1/18/99 6:42:05 PM Pacific Standard Time, mahahn@fuse.net
writes:

<< Don't know if this helps you but.......
 I had a F*rd F-150 that had the same symptoms and it turned out to be the
 bearings in the yoke section of the rear end had gone bad. Not fun. The noise
 started at high speeds and progressed to whining at all speeds.
 For what its worth,
 
 Mark Hahn >>

      I had the exact same thing in my '86 Cutlass..except it was at 45-50
that it was the worst. HAD to be the drive pinion bearings. I replaced the
wheel bearings and the carrier bearings, and it still did it. Swapped that
carrier, axles, etc to another axle tube, and the noise wasn't there. Mine was
worst when I was decelerating.  Dorian

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:52:33 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: Don't mind my snapper

My brother thought he was being comical when he entitled me as a snapper.
Please ignore.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hybernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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Date: 18 Jan 99 21:31:38 MST
From: RSTOMN <restoman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Textured chip protection paint]

oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
I am getting ready to paint the 81 Cutlass.
I have been considering putting the textured paint, chip
protection paint on the lower 8 inches of the body.

I know it was used in the 80's but i do not know who 
carries it now ... any ideas. 

Ken Swick
swickka@pa.net
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.
Any auto paint supply store

RESTOMAN

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:49:58 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: experiences with summit

I have had great luck with both companies!!!!

>
>Never had any problems with Summit or known anybody that did.  I'm
>sure there are some out there who have but I have yet to meet them.  
Even
>when ordering engine parts, if I got the wrong parts (.10 under instead 
of
>.20 under bearings, my fault not thiers) they fixed me up with what I 
needed
>quickly.  Another bonus is that thier prices are usually lower than 
what I
>can
>find local for most of the larger items.  Try checking out Jeg's also 
as
>they
>have similar inventory and prices and I have had the same good 
experiences
>with them also.
>
>Mike B
>mbloomer@gateway.net
>ICQ# 19113713
>http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
>
>
>


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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:16:12 -0500
From: "Frederick S. Nissen" <FSNissen@Worldnet.ATT.NET>
Subject: Subscribe Oldsmobile Digest

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:23:45 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 1987 Olds 307 in a Buick Regal

>I own a 1987 Buick Regal w/ a 307 Olds v-8 (4bbl).  I have spent numerous 
 [snip]
>1. How large could I go (realisticly) without having to rip apart my car.  

A 350 or 403 will bolt right in; a 455 will fit with minor hose and pipe
changes. Any of the above will seriously stress your original overdrive
transmission; a TH350 or TH400 will swap in, however, and survive well.

>2. Will there be a large performance difference if I changed the engine to
a 307 HO?? or
>is it just a waste of time.

You'd gain about 40hp. A mild 350 would gain you about 100-150hp for the
same money. Your call. Again, watch out for what any will do to your tranny.

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:23:43 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 80 Olds carb question

>I just had the carb on my 80 Olds 442 rebuilt to factory specs.  Anything
>special I should do when putting it back on besides bolting it down and
>hooking up the hoses? This is the first time I have ever had a carb rebuilt

Only suggestion is to snug down the fuel line fitting before you bolt down
the carb firmly, so that the fitting threads cleanly into the fuel-inlet
fitting. Otherwise, it's just four bolts, some hoses and a gasket.

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:23:56 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: '71 Olds ID

>> I am almost sure you could get a non 442, SX,  455 Cutlass.  I almost
>> bought a Supreme from a older guy with a original 455 in it.
>> 
>Are you sure the car in question was not a '72.  The 455 was an RPO for
>the Cutlass in '72-'76.  

Early '70 Cutlasses of all sorts could be had with a 2-bbl 455 as well.

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:23:49 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 9000 rpm Aurora/Northstar

>Is there anyway to get the Aurora's injection system to fit on say a regular
>small block olds?

Well, you'd have to fabricate an intake system, and recalibrate the
computer, and fabricate the sensor mounts. Basically, the only thing you
might be able to use is the injectors and some wiring, since the engines
have no pieces in common.

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:24:28 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Crane Rocker Arms/pedestals for SBO

>      Anyone running the "new" rocker arms that everyone has made by Crane and
>others? The ones I'm thinking of have the stock rockers, but have a seperate
>pedestal for each cylinder, which is then connected to the other cylinder. The
>pedestals have oil grooves in them. From the picture they look like a good
>idea, and since that is all I can find to replace mine, I'm going to have to
>use them, just wondering about anyones experiences with them. Thanks, 

Those sound just like the standard 3-piece replacement rockers I've been
buying over the counter; I don't think they're specific to Crane. They work
just like the old one-piece units; they're not adjustable, but the seem to
last fine. One thing you have to watch for is torquing them down evenly; if
you tighten one pedestal completely before the other, you can cock or twist
the steel strap, and the other side will be twisted.

Oh, one other thing I found is that you can twist these pedestals slightly
to center the pushrod in the pushrod hole. Other than that, no big difference.

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 23:47:39 -0600
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: 75 442

There is a 75 442 for sale in the Chicago area.  From the color picture
it looks real nice.  They are asking 5500 obo.  Is that a fair price? 
maybe I'll go check it out.

Steven
70 W-30 convertible

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 00:59:08 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Crane Rocker Arms/pedestals for SBO

In a message dated 1/18/99 9:26:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,
RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu writes:

<< Those sound just like the standard 3-piece replacement rockers I've been
 buying over the counter; I don't think they're specific to Crane. They work
 just like the old one-piece units; they're not adjustable, but the seem to
 last fine. One thing you have to watch for is torquing them down evenly; if
 you tighten one pedestal completely before the other, you can cock or twist
 the steel strap, and the other side will be twisted. >>


      Thanks for the info...I *think* that these are actually 5 pieces per
cylinder...pedestal, 2  "pivots", and 2 rocker arms...I may be mistaken in the
composition of the parts, but I'm pretty sure there are 5 pieces.  Dorian

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 01:43:05 EST
From: Bbymks4@aol.com
Subject: Re: 75 442

                
               If you've ever looked in a classic car price guide you'd see
that cars
    built after 1973 are only worth roughly half of what the the 68-72 cars
are worth.
    This is, of course just my opinion,  I think that I'd still go out and
take a look
    at it, it must be a pretty clean car, This is coming from a guy that
bought a ' 73
    442. At the time I knew that I was paying more than what it was worth, but
I
    wanted it real bad. And now I'm going to do a full restoration job on it.
It's going
   to cost me alot more than 5-g's to fix it. So maybe that price isn't so
bad, providing
   the car is clean, is mechanically sound, has some decent options, and you
are
   happy with the cars overall appearance and style. (This just means that you
   shouldn't have to put any money into it for that price.) That's what I
think....
    from......Steve M.

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 22:50:01 -0800
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: 75 442

Not too many people putting $$ into 66 Starfires either, but if it's worth
it to you, just do it.

My only advice is don't fool yourself into thinking you'll make money on the
deal. I think only pros or mechanics can do that now

Do it for the enjoyment.

cf

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 20:06:56 -0800
From: "Mike Jones" <mike@gleep.com>
Subject: Re: Sandblasting SSII wheels

Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 13:07:27 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Sandblasting SSII wheels

Are these really SSII's?  From what I know (not much) the SSII's had
stainless
steel inserts and rings.  You just unbolt the center cap, pull the
stainless
off, and blast away with sand.  Epoxy primer, paint, and re-install the
trim
(recommend polishing the stainless if you have the time).

Since you stated that this was a newer Delta I'm probably talking about an
entirely different rim.  The ones I'm talking about are shown at
http://www.flash.net/~texas442/wheels.html 

If they have chromed metal then you may be able to mask it and blast it
with
beads or something mellower that sand.  Sorry, never had that type.

Mike Jones wrote:
> 
>         I have a set of SSII wheels on my Delta 88 (with big center caps)
that are
> a little on the rusty side.  Is it possible to remove the rust and paint
> with a sandblaster?  I don't know if the media would damage the chrome
> finish on the rims.  Is there also a masking kit for the wheels, so I can
> re-paint them like the pontiac crowd does?
- - -- 

Actually, the wheels look something lile this

http://www.gleep.com/users/mjones/olds6.jpg

I pulled five of these wheels off of another '78 Delta 88, the car had no
center caps.  I have four center caps, but 
only three clips.  The wheel in the pic was the spare wheel/tire combo,
hence its good condition.  The others have not fared as well.

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 (350/TH350/103k)

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 02:10:35 -0000
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Crane Rocker Arms/pedestals for SBO

>      Thanks for the info...I *think* that these are actually 5 pieces per
>cylinder...pedestal, 2  "pivots", and 2 rocker arms...I may be >mistaken in
the composition of the parts, but I'm pretty sure there are >5 pieces.
Dorian

You're both right. I believe Mr. Barry was making a reference to the strap
(pedestal). The original one piece is replaced with 3 pieces. (strap and 2
pivots) They work fine. I used them until I switched to the adjustable
Magnum roller kit. The steel straps are stronger than the lightweight
original ones.

My 2 pence,

Randy

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 03:08:25 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: GMC's El Camino

> 550 <gjcouse@framcomm.com>... Host unknown (Name server: framcomm.com: host 
not found)
> 
> Gary, yes, GMC had their Cabellero, their equivalent of the El Camino.  Don't
> see many of 'em, but they're out there.  A friend of mine had an ElC, with a 
5
> speed, and some hot-shot posi in it.  Only a V6, but it'd squawk the tires in
> three of 'em...  All they'd do is ~bounce~ for the first two gears, 
but.....  :)
> 
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:27:08 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 W30 questions

I think the  "standard "  ratio was 3.91.  4.33 & 4.66 were dealer installed
richmond units.
Some one please verify.
Roger

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:31:04 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: Crane Rocker Arms/pedestals for SBO

These new units sound like the  old 65 units.
Does anyone have a picture off them?
Roger

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:31:41 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: 68 W30 questions

Are we talking about the standard ratio for the '68 W30? Sorry I haven't
been following the thread, but 3.91 was the standard ratio for the W-31.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

GraphixRUs@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I think the  "standard "  ratio was 3.91.  4.33 & 4.66 were dealer installed
> richmond units.
> Some one please verify.
> Roger
.

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:45:37 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 W30 questions

Yes, 
The standard ratio for the  68  W-30.
Thanks.
Roger

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:55:32 EST
From: KASOLDS@aol.com
Subject: color of front suspension parts

I have my front suspension all torn apart, on my 70 442, to put in new
bushings and ball joints.  I decided while its apart I should sandblast and
paint all of the parts.   What color should these parts be (control arms,
spindles, backing plate, ect.)?  If they were not painted from the factor,
what color paint looks natural?

Thanks
Keith
(70442)

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:05:36 -0500
From: Mark Ivey <mivey@mail.rapid.com>
Subject: Re: 88 Cutlass GT (long)

Bill,
        I am interested in both of the Hurst things you have.  You
wouldn't want to sell it now would you?  If you are interested in
selling it, or both give me a mail.  If not I would still like to get
some literature on at least the GT setup.

Mark Ivey
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 07:03:36 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: color of front suspension parts

The control arms should be flat black, the ball joints should be
unpainted and the steering components and spindle/steering knuckle
should be painted a cast color. The brake shields should be zinc plated.
They should clean up ok, but don't blast them unless they have rusted
and you want to paint them.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

KASOLDS@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I have my front suspension all torn apart, on my 70 442, to put in new
> bushings and ball joints.  I decided while its apart I should sandblast and
> paint all of the parts.   What color should these parts be (control arms,
> spindles, backing plate, ect.)?  If they were not painted from the factor,
> what color paint looks natural?
> 
> Thanks
> Keith
> (70442)
.

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 08:48:30 -0500
From: "Robert Collins" <collins@peterboro.net>
Subject: Olds Models

The following Olds models are supposed to be produced in 1998
1966 Olds 442 Convertible 1/25 scale -AMT/Ertl - April release plastic kit
1970 Olds 442 (body style unknown) 1/24 -Testors - March release - plastic
kit 
1970 Olds 442 (body style unknown) 1/43 - AMT/Ertl - July release - diecast
- - painted Astro Blue

Anyone wishing to find out if a specific Olds model is available should
pickup a copy of MOBILIA.  This magazine has a list of just about every
model available, who makes it and their address.  This list appears in
every issue.  I believe it is issued 10 times a year.  If anyone has any
auto related collections this magazine will probably cover it.

I hope this helps anyone on the list looking for a model.

Robert Collins
collins@peterboro.net

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:30:31 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 3[9]4 in a 79??? + End Carbs?? + others and a short Unsub.

- ---Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net> wrote:
<snip> Still with 6 you could hold a lit cigarette lighter
> in back of the tailpipes and blow flames. Great mileage though! Gas
was 30
> cents a gal, still couldn't afford to drive the thing.
<snip>
============================================
Were those very prone to catching on fire also? My uncle use to have a
GTO with the six pack on it. One day he bought beautiful chrome locks
for the pins on the hood. That night the thing caught on fire and just
about burned the car down because he couldn't get the locks off! *LOL*
But, he said that as long as you held it WOT you were fine. It was
cruising around town that sucked. He said that the fuel pump was too
big and the seats in the carbs just couldn't hold the fuel back. So,
it would overflow the bowls and the fires would occure.

Del
==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 05:34:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: experiences with summit

- ---mbloomer <mbloomer@gateway.net> wrote:
<snip>  Try checking out Jeg's also as
> they
> have similar inventory and prices and I have had the same good
experiences
> with them also.
<snip>
=================================
I have never ordered from Summit, but I haven't heard anything bad
about them either. I have ordered from Jeg's and I was pleased. I
ordered my aluminum intake from them. It arrived in about 2 weeks.
Very friendly folks there also!

Del
==
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1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 06:00:49 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Accident Pics

- ---Snapper Costanzo <costanzo@netcarrier.com> wrote:
> Yeah man, that sucks hard.  But it's not ~too~ bad.  You could be
like Igor
> and get out and strangle the dear to death after you hit it.  Well,
if you
> had hit a dear.
=======================================
This is true. As much as it sucks that it did happen, I still am very
thankful that it is fixable. And that the girl had insurance. Speaking
of......Igor.....did that dear carry insurance? ;-)
==

Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:25:55 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: experiences with summit

Never had a problem with Summit, Jegs, or PAW. I ordered a Jacobs Nitrous
Computer from PAW and they sent me a unit that had been returned
(read:butchered by amatuer installer). I called them up immediately and they
told me to send it back and they will reimburse me the shipping when they
send the new one. Can't complain about that. In my last Jeg's order, teo
parts were the wrong item. I called them back and it was the same deal.
Never have I had a wrong part from Summit. I order from all three as well as
Mondello on a regular basis. By the way, never had a problem (aside from the
prices) with Mondello either. Occasionally, you will find Mondello cheaper
on some things. Incidentally, I tried to put together a gasket set for BB
Olds like Mondello's set (full set including intake, and neoprene rear
main), couldn't touch Mondello's price ($60). The closest I could come was
$76.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Comid <Comid>
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: experiences with summit


>
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>From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: experiences with summit
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
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>---mbloomer <mbloomer@gateway.net> wrote:
><snip>  Try checking out Jeg's also as
>> they
>> have similar inventory and prices and I have had the same good
>experiences
>> with them also.
><snip>
>=================================
>I have never ordered from Summit, but I haven't heard anything bad
>about them either. I have ordered from Jeg's and I was pleased. I
>ordered my aluminum intake from them. It arrived in about 2 weeks.
>Very friendly folks there also!
>
>Del
>==
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>1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
>1981 John Deer Snowmobile
>197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:30:18 -0500 (EST)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: FS: 1954 Oldsmobile S-88 2 door body

From the newsgroups...

If interested, e-mail the people directly, NOT TO ME OR THE LIST.




>Subject: 1954 Oldsmobile  S-88 2 door body
>
>1954 Oldsmobile super 88 2 door sedan body. Nice body
>has 
>been striped to bare metal. Painted with 2 part epoxy 
>primer.Has good glass, rolling frame,no engine or
>transmission,no front sheet metal,no bumpers. Good
>North Carolina title. If youhave a complete 4 door 54
>this low
>mileage solid 2 door would make a perfit builder. All
>your 
>parts will work. $750.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------
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>  by EPage, http://ep.com/
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:42:48 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 68 W30 questions

I had a 68 sports coupe w-30 bench seat column shift. 1 of 69 made.  The
car came with a 3.42 open rear end.  You state that posi was standard, does
this mean that open rears were not available?
___________

Bob,

While I certainly can't prove that no 68 W-30s were built without posi, the
factory literature indicates that all came with the posi rear.  The 4.33 is
listed as the standard ratio for MT cars - I don't have the info with me at
the office to tell you the standard ratio for AT cars (mine's an MT car and
has the 4.33 posi).  Did you buy the car new, or is it possible that the
original rear was changed out at some point for the 3.42?  I'm sure the
4.33s were a bear on the street.  My car had a Hone overdrive unit
installed by a previous owner - unfortunately it was gone by the time I got
the car.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:46:59 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Need info on 1970 Radio Delete

If so can
> anyone provide me with a picture of what this panel looks like or better
> yet provide me with the panel?
>
>    mike
>

I have one for 68 - 69 I could e you a picture in a week or so
It will give you an idea of what to look for

___________

Unfortunately, the 68-69 radio mounting is very different from that on the
70-72 cars.  The 68-69s used a separate radio mounting plate which bolts in
to the rest of the dash.  The normal plate has all the cutouts for the
radio and knobs, so the delete plate is simply a flat plate which bolts
into the dash in place of the normal plate.  The 70-72 cars have the radio
mounting feature molded integrally with the plastic dash - the 68-69 method
does not apply.  Frankly, I've never seen a radio delete on the 70-72 cars
- - was this even an option?  Does anyone have a parts book that covers the
70-72 cars to check to see if one was even available?  My parts book only
goes up to 69.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:48:39 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Clutch actuation assembly conversion

Actually, PAW sells a McLeod setup that looks exactly the same as
Mondello's(big surprise there) for a Muncie or Saginaw as well as others
for around $270 according to their 1997 catalog.
__________

And our buddy Joe M is asking, what, $400 for the same thing?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 09:52:22 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 68 W30 questions

I think the  "standard "  ratio was 3.91.  4.33 & 4.66 were dealer
installed
richmond units.
Some one please verify.
Roger
________

I thought so too, but the factory powertrain data sheet for 1968 clearly
lists the 4.33 as the standard ratio for a W-30 with MT.  These may have
been installed at the dealership before delivery, but that's still what's
listed as the standard ratio.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:33:09 -0500
From: "jackkopf" <jackkopf@email.msn.com>
Subject: Parting out/selling 1970 OLDs 98 4 door sedan.

   Hello

  I'm selling a 70' 98 4 door. The car was purchased for the
clip and
wheel skirts. Other than those items the car is complete.
The engine
is a 455 with 88K miles. The front seat is worn other than
that the
interior is clean. Color is brown/brown. The engine runs
strong and
can be demonstrated. Let me know your needs and I will
respond
promptly.

PS
Car also comes with a clip from a 69' 98

JK

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:38:23 +0100
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Parting out/selling 1970 OLDs 98 4 door sedan.

>   I'm selling a 70' 98 4 door. The car was purchased for the
> 
Where is the car located?

Chris (who would like the motor, but not if it's in Washington) Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:00:57 -0500
From: Mark Ivey <mivey@mail.rapid.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Models

Robert Collins wrote:
> 
> The following Olds models are supposed to be produced in 1998
> 1966 Olds 442 Convertible 1/25 scale -AMT/Ertl - April release plastic kit
> 1970 Olds 442 (body style unknown) 1/24 -Testors - March release - plastic
> kit
> 1970 Olds 442 (body style unknown) 1/43 - AMT/Ertl - July release - diecast
> - painted Astro Blue
> 
> Anyone wishing to find out if a specific Olds model is available should
> pickup a copy of MOBILIA.  This magazine has a list of just about every
> model available, who makes it and their address.  This list appears in
> every issue.  I believe it is issued 10 times a year.  If anyone has any
> auto related collections this magazine will probably cover it.
> 
> I hope this helps anyone on the list looking for a model.
> 
> Robert Collins
> collins@peterboro.net




Rob,
	I build and collect models(Olds mostly), I was just wondering where you
found this magazine and if it has an internet site.  I would greatly
appreciate it for the info.

Mark
mivey@rapid.com

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:19:39 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: test, ignore, unless your really bored ;)

thanks, just testing

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:27:45 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Rumble Rumble *Sputter* Rumble *BANG* Rumble....I think my baby 
is  sick...

So now it doesn't run correctly, is that right?  Have you done a compression
test?  Does it run at all?

Inquiring minds want to know;)

Gutlass66@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Ok, I started my 1966 Cutlass today for the first time in a few weeks. It
> fired right up, and the choke took the 330 to about 1700rpms to warm up, then
> went back down once it warmed up. I was looking in the truck for somthing,
> listening to the health exaust tone, and then I heard a BANG coming out of 
the
> engine bay (not the exhaust or the carb), what the hell was it? I got out my
> dwel tach and timed it, that wasn't it, the carb is fine, it's got new gas in
> it (92 octane :( ), I'm lost, anyone have any Ideas?
> Kelly Erickson
> 1966 Cutlass
> http://www.angelfire.com/wa/Olds442z/index.html

- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit) (soon to be a 455 :)
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 12:28:04 -0600
From: cdemps@lsumc.edu (Dempsey, Charles)
Subject: 1964 Jetstar I for sale in CA.

A gentleman e-mailed that he wishes to sell this car. I'm a long way
from
 California, but perhaps some of you are interested. I don't know
anything 
about the car personally. Please contact Jon Lenard 619-561-3492
or e-mail:<grimm_70@msn.com> if interested. 

- -----------<forwarded message begins>------------

I have a 1964 Jetstar 1 that has 28,000 miles on a professional engine
restoration with moly rings and 9.5 to one pistons. It runs perfect on
unleaded regular. Most of the chassis mechanical have been replaced with
new
or refurbished parts. All the front end needs is the lower control arm
bushings and springs. I have the bushings. The outside is starting to
get
rough, there is the usual small rust in the quarter panel under the rear
quarter windows. The electric's are in great shape, I've fixed the usual
64
olds tail light problems with new sockets. The blue bucket seat interior
needs to be refinished. I've had the car for 8 years and put over 5,000
into
it, and I can't afford to see it deteriorate any more. It is very
reliable,
and upon occasion I have used it as a daily driver when my other car was
in
the shop. The chassis has a 156,000 on it and all the slim Jim has ever
had
was a reseal when the engine was done, and the fluid changed constantly.
All
I'm asking is 2000.00 for the car or a close reasonable offer. My name
is
Jon Lenard 619-561-3492 and my e-mail is grimm_70@msn.com.  I live in El
Cajon, Ca. It is a suburb outside of San Diego. I hope you can help, I
don't
want to see this beautiful rare car waste away any more.

- -----------<forwarded message ends>------------

Thanks,
Charles

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:14:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Dave Welsh <dlwels@yahoo.com>
Subject: Olds Career Planning - Wyoming Tech

I send this to the list because I value the knowledge and experience
of list members. My son is currently making decisions on his career
path once he leaves high school.  He is a straight "A" student and has
always had a passion for cars.  He is also very artistic.  His love
for his '70 Cutlass is leading him towards a career in auto
reconditioning, customizing, hot rodding, etc.. His plan is to attend
Wyoming Tech to learn how to do it right on the outside, then possibly
go into engineering to get the rest.  Are there any Wyoming Tech alums
on the list, or anyone with experience with  the school.  It sounds
like a good way to fuel his passion for old cars.  I apologize for the
non-olds content, but if it leads to another expert olds re builder,
it's worth it.  Any comments or opinions would be greatly
appreciated.E-mail me privately at dlwels@yahoo.com, or share with the
list.

Thanks,


==
Dave Welsh  dlwels@yahoo.com
1553 Read Road
Janesville, Wisconsin 53546
(608) 756-4352

'70 Cutlass S 
'69 Cutlass Supreme parts car
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:15:22 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Models

In a message dated 01/19/1999 12:01:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mivey@mail.rapid.com writes:

<< Anyone wishing to find out if a specific Olds model is available should
 > pickup a copy of MOBILIA.  This magazine has a list of just about every
 > model available, who makes it and their address.  This list appears in
 > every issue.  I believe it is issued 10 times a year.  If anyone has any
 > auto related collections this magazine will probably cover it. >>

snip

>I build and collect models(Olds mostly), I was just wondering where you
>found this magazine and if it has an internet site.  I would greatly
>appreciate it for the info.

>Mark
>mivey@rapid.com


They have a site, just go to http://www.mobilia.com/

You can order a subscription on-line.  I

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:30:42 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts interchange was RE: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels

In a message dated 01/14/1999 2:01:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
SemantanaC@tce.com writes:

<< I've often thought that about many items among the Chevelle, GS, GTO,
4-4-2,
 etc line, since there is obviously many more items made for the Chevy lines.
 I just haven't been able to 'cross reference' things amongst the Pontiac and
 Olds catalogs I have.  Probably should just get a parts manual, would most
 likely make it much simplier, but that would be too easy. >>


If you need an interchange manual there is a company called Hollander that
produces such manuals.  I have never seen any, just their ad in Old Car
Trader. They cost between $50 and $100 bucks depending what you need.

The phone number is 800-761-9266 and their 
web site is www.hollaner-auto-parts.com

Has anybody used them, if so are they any good.  Let us know.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:59:02 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Parts interchange was RE: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels

In a message dated 1/19/99 10:32:44 AM Pacific Standard Time, Lou0118@aol.com
writes:

<< Has anybody used them, if so are they any good.  Let us know.
 
 Lou Principe >>

      Yes, I've used them, and they are very good. I've got the '65 to '79
domestic car and truck one. I really should get one that covers after '79. It
DOES list parts that are the same but used on post '79 vehicles too. Only
"problem" is that most of the parts are DIRECT interchanges, meaning same
casting number, etc.,  so it doesn't say a 455 can be bolted in a '79 Cutlass,
or that an Olds motor will bolt in a Chev car.  Dorian

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 11:47:57 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Career Planning - Wyoming Tech

> He is a straight "A" student and has always had a passion for
> cars.  He is also very artistic.  His love for his '70 Cutlass
> is leading him towards a career in auto reconditioning,
> customizing, hot rodding, etc.

[Hi, gang; I'm back! More details on our new house adventures when
time permits...]

I would tell him to ace everything at Wyoming Tech, with an eye
towards getting hired by one of the major car companies. I've 
toured the GM Design Center and the GM Proving Grounds, and anyone
who is artistic, good with engineering and loves cars would love
it there. Plus, this would give him a chance to affect the looks
and design of an entire line of cars, not just one at a time.

- -- Andy

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Date: 19 Jan 99 12:57:29 MST
From: RSTOMN <restoman@netscape.net>
Subject: 442 or what?

Could someone tell me what this vin# breaks down as?
34487 8z 121714
It's a drag car now,and I would like to know
what it started life as.  Thanks.

RESTOMAN

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:05:59 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Olds Career Planning - Wyoming Tech

This made me wonder... does the General Motors Institute still exist? It
was (as I recall) a university environment run by GM to train engineers
and other professions. Back in '73 when I was getting out of high school I
had my university entrance exam test scores sent there... it sounded like
the only logical place for a car nut to go to college. Never heard a word
from them, circumstances made it impossible, etc etc and the rest is
history. What a difference it would have made, I bet...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 21:05:02 +0100
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: 442 or what?

> Could someone tell me what this vin# breaks down as?
> 34487 8z 121714
> It's a drag car now,and I would like to know
> what it started life as.  Thanks.
> 
> 
I'll guess 68 4-4-2 built in California.  I'm guessing Z is CA as my 66 GTO
has a Z and was built in Freemont.  Do I win anything :)

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 15:05:23 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 442 or what?

Could someone tell me what this vin# breaks down as?
34487 8z 121714
_______

3 = Oldsmobile division
44 = 442 model  (the VIN checks out as a "real" 442)
87 = Holiday coupe (aka 2 dr hardtop)
z = Fremont, CA assembly plant
121714 = sequential build number

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 13:16:22 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: 442 or what?

From Drew's VIN decoder at http://members.aol.com/drewinva/vin/index.htm

3=Oldsmobile
4487=442 High Performance V8 Holiday Coupe
8=1968
Z=Freemont, CA
121714=Assembly Number (21714th or 21713rd off the line?)

That's my guess.

RSTOMN wrote:
> 
> Could someone tell me what this vin# breaks down as?
> 34487 8z 121714
> It's a drag car now,and I would like to know
> what it started life as.  Thanks.
> 
> RESTOMAN
> 
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Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit) (soon to be a 455 :)
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson

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Date: 19 Jan 99 13:43:48 MST
From: RSTOMN <restoman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: 442 or what?]

oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
Could someone tell me what this vin# breaks down as?
34487 8z 121714
_______

3 = Oldsmobile division
44 = 442 model  (the VIN checks out as a "real" 442)
87 = Holiday coupe (aka 2 dr hardtop)
z = Fremont, CA assembly plant
121714 = sequential build number

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

>>>>>>Thank you ,thank you very much.
I'm going to buy this car right NOW!






RESTOMAN

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:29:13 -0500
From: "Gib Loudon" <cutlass@mill.tds.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Career Planning - Wyoming Tech

- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: Olds Career Planning - Wyoming Tech


>
>This made me wonder... does the General Motors Institute still exist? It
>was (as I recall) a university environment run by GM to train engineers
>and other professions. Back in '73 when I was getting out of high school I
>had my university entrance exam test scores sent there... it sounded like
>the only logical place for a car nut to go to college. Never heard a word
>from them, circumstances made it impossible, etc etc and the rest is
>history. What a difference it would have made, I bet...
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
Greg,
As a matter of fact, the General Motors Institute still exists.  I happen to
attend college there.  Back in 1982 the college bought itself away from GM
and just became GMI Engineering and Management Institute.  Just last year
they changed the name to Kettering University.  It is a very tough
curriculum, but anyone who graduates from there is guaranteed a job just
about anywhere.  If anyone wants info about the school, just ask me.

Gib Loudon
cutlass@mill.tds.net
http://www.cutlass.net

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:20:24 -0600
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: F-41/sway bars

Monte SS/442/GN, look for "YA" on the round part of the steering box
housing.  Often hard to see, or even missing after years of grime.

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:23:11 -0600
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: Power Steering

In the WS6 Trans AM's of 78 to 81, they used a 12.7:1 ratio, and constant
ratio, where the regular T/A and Formula FireBird got variable ratio and
14.1 (or so):1.  

The 70 to 92 Trans AM box's are all interchangeable.  as a matter of fact,
the 92 Trans AM non WS6 is the exact same part listed for an 80 Trans AM
without WS6.  

They say the newer the better steering feel.

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:22:43 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Private party buying over the net

List,

I have a question for anyone who has ever bought parts from a private
party over the net. What's the best way to go about it? How can I make
sure that I don't get screwed? I have a guy who e-mailed me saying
that he has a few things I could use. It sounds good, I just want to
cover all the bases since I don't know him.

Thanks,
Del




==
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rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 14:38:21 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Career Planning - Wyoming Tech

Marginal Olds content following; you have been warned.

> This made me wonder... does the General Motors Institute still
> exist?

Yes, under the new name of Kettering University. (You all know who
Charles Kettering was, right? Good.  :-)

http://bumper.kettering.edu/

> It was (as I recall) a university environment run by GM to train
> engineers and other professions.

Back in 1979 I was working in England at Cambridge University
Engineering Department, and on a whim I wrote to GM to ask about
job offers. I wrote a bunch of letters to various places, most of
which I don't remember now, and heard back from a few of them.
IIRC, the GM Institute basically said, "Stop by for an interview 
when you're in town," as did the GM Tech Center. Oldsmobile did
not respond, but Chevy did. Chevy gets the prize for persistence,
too, as they kept putting insufficient postage on the envelope
and got it sent back to them twice by the Post Office, before 
finally plastering a dollar or more in postage on it and managing
to get it into my hands in England.

So anyway, while I was home in Chicago for Christmas in 1979, I
drove the family wagon to Michigan and did the grand GM tour.
First stop was the GM Institute in Flint, where a rather bored 
administrator type showed me around. The place was showing its age
by then (he quizzed me at one point by covering the rocker covers 
of an old V8 on a test stand and asking me to identify it -- 
correctly -- as a 1955 Chevy), and I think it shut down a year or 
so later. Evidently it's been resurrected since then.

Following that was a meeting at the Tech Center with an interviewer
who was more interested in smoking some of the British cigarettes
I had than in talking about GM, but he was nice enough to not only
give me a tour of the center and show off some of the new technology
they were developing, but also call up the Proving Grounds and get
me a private tour. I think the fact that I'd flown in from England
gave them the idea I was more important a visitor than I really was.

So the following morning I hopped in the family wagon and drove north
to Milford, where they had (in 1979 anyway) something like 123 miles
of test track jammed into a 3-mile by 5-mile rectangle, as I recall.
I had a tour of the buildings there, then met a test driver who took
me out for a ride on the test track in a turbocharged 1980 Monte
Carlo. They beat the sh*t out of these cars, of course, and he 
demonstrated some milder stuff for me: flying down a 
ridiculously-steep hill, stomping on the brakes at the bottom, 
slamming into reverse, then gunning it _backwards_ up the hill again, 
etc. Your basic Domino's Pizza Delivery style of driving.

The banked circle was an interesting track: the three or four parallel
lanes are banked at differing angles, set to allow a car at a certain
precise speed to circle endlessly around the track in that lane
without any steering input from the driver. (Here in Illinois we call 
that the Kennedy Expressway.  :-)  The high-speed banked lane at the 
upper edge  was especially cool: I remember looking _up_ through the 
windshield and seeing the ground racing by...

Okay, enough already. If our original Wyoming Tech poster is still
reading at this point, tell your son to shoot for the big stuff first;
that way we can all benefit from his work...

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:39:00 -0600
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: HEI Swap.  Real Life Benefits?

Did you regap to .060 like most HEI in Olds apps?  I would not run the .080
seen in a lot of 70's Rockets, runs the coil too warm.

This will help emissions significantly.  Should show some mileage
improvement.

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:47:03 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: NON OLDS, Harman Kardon

If anyone on this list happens to have a Harman Kardon receiver or any of
their literature, please email me privately.  Thanks.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hybernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:45:53 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: Power Steering

But will these T/A boxes bolt on to a G Body?
Brian.

Martin Thomas-WLTM07 wrote:
> 
> In the WS6 Trans AM's of 78 to 81, they used a 12.7:1 ratio, and constant
> ratio, where the regular T/A and Formula FireBird got variable ratio and
> 14.1 (or so):1.
> 
> The 70 to 92 Trans AM box's are all interchangeable.  as a matter of fact,
> the 92 Trans AM non WS6 is the exact same part listed for an 80 Trans AM
> without WS6.
> 
> They say the newer the better steering feel.
> 
> Thomas Martin
> 80 Turbo Trans AM
> 85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
> 91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 16:48:21 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Recurving Distributor Chatter

Greg, 
Still a few around, cut my teeth on one of those old rascals, they do work
good!
Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net

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> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: 'Olds' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Re: Recurving Distributor Chatter

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:52:32 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Wire Hubcaps

This may apply more to the G Body folks than anyone else, but all
replies are welcomed, of course.

Has anyone had any luck cleaning their Cutlass wire wheel covers?  After
all the filthy horrible snow and road salt lately my hubcaps are looking
pretty horrid.  I can see that if I take them off I can clean the inside
ring somewhat, and the outside poses little problem, but there is that
piece in the middle between the two sets of spokes--and the inside
spokes themselves--that I just can't seem to get to.  I tried spraying
them with Castrol Super Clean, which took the oil off my motor but
couldn't take the dirt off my hubcaps.  I would shy away from
dismantling them because I got lucky and didn't get noisy ones, but if
that is what it takes and they are noisy afterwards, I can just turn up
the radio.  That's more fun anyway.
Brian.

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Date: Mon, 18 Jan 1999 17:58:04 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: close enough to spring

New Jersey has generally got some of the most horrible weather this time
of year, but today was a definite exception.  I was able to get off work
just in time to make it home and clean the Cutlass.  Took all the seats
out and cleaned the carpet and those horrible places between the seats
that get so dirty.  Took the third brake light and the rearview mirror
out and cleaned the windows.  Most wonderful day, the car smells so
good.  What are some of the things you guys use to clean the interior of
oyur beloved autos?  I am always looking for something better and if I
can get a good smell AND a really clean car, then life is REALLY good.
Brian.

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Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 17:18:11 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 3[9]4 in a 79??? + End Carbs?? + others and a short Unsub.

Rock Man:
Would you believe the 56 had no paint on the top of the hood, drove it to
downtown St. Lou and some parking attendant did whatever, waited until he
noticed the paint bubbling on the hood, then they opened it and hit it with
the fire ext. Drove it away from there, I was young and stupid, the parking
receipt said "they accept no responsibility for blah, blah, blah, and etc".
Didn't know any better, could have sued, instead I drove around with a
ruined hood on a very pretty 56 conv. Live and learn.
Lou 
PS Remember the old saying, "would pass anything except a gas station", for
sure.
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> From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 3[9]4 in a 79??? + End Carbs?? + others and a short Unsub.
============================================
> Were those very prone to catching on fire also? My uncle use to have a
> GTO with the six pack on it. One day he bought beautiful chrome locks
> for the pins on the hood. That night the thing caught on fire and just
> about burned the car down because he couldn't get the locks off! *LOL*
> But, he said that as long as you held it WOT you were fine. It was
> cruising around town that sucked. He said that the fuel pump was too
> big and the seats in the carbs just couldn't hold the fuel back. So,
> it would overflow the bowls and the fires would occure.
> 
> Del

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