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oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, January 24 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1730



Re: Air Shocks
Re: Wire hubcaps
H/O Emblem Question
Re: Air Shocks
'75 Hurst FS
'76 CS. Found my build sheet!
Re: H/O Emblem Question
Re: H/O Emblem Question
Re: H/O Emblem Question
Re: H/O Emblem Question
Re: '76 CS. Found my build sheet!
Re: Rally Pack Talk & Rebuilder Suggestions/References
Re: H/O Emblem Question
Re: Johnny Lighting Cars
Re: H/O Emblem Question
Re: Congrats to the G-body list
Fwd: Private party buying over the net
Re: Private party buying over the net
Air Cleaner Connections
Re: Distributor Positioning
Re: Air Shocks
Re: Air Shocks
Latest "Popular Hot Rodding"
Re: Air Shocks
Re: H/O Emblem Question
Re: Air Shocks
<<<._Make_Extra_Money_Workin'_at_Home_.>>>
interior questions 71 cutlass s
Re: Air Shocks
Re: Air Shocks
Re: Air Shocks
Re: Air Shocks
Re: Air Shocks
Re: interior questions 71 cutlass s
Re: Air Cleaner Connections
good/bad junkyard day
Re: Air Shocks
Re: interior questions 71 cutlass s
Re: good/bad junkyard day
Re: interior questions 71 cutlass s
Re: Air Shocks
Re: Speedo trans adapters before&after times
RE: Air Shocks
Re: Air Shocks
Re: Air Shocks  hi
Re: Air Shocks  hi
Posi Question
Re: Posi Question
Re: Posi Question
RE: good/bad junkyard day
Re: Olds History Center procedures
Re: Air Shocks
Re: Air Shocks  hi
Re: good/bad junkyard day
Re: Olds History Center procedures
Hurst Heritage Book
Web Site Update
Vinyl Roof Spot Repair Kit
Re: Vinyl Roof Spot Repair Kit
Re: Web Site Update
Re: Web site update - me too.
Re: Olds History Center procedures
Re: Parting out/selling 1970 OLDs 98 4 door sedan.
Pictures 

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:18:33 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

Igor T. '81 DRB 455 wrote:

> My question is to the people that owned air-shock before.  ( I
> would like to know before I install them ).

That would be me.  Installed a set on my Nova many moons ago.

> Fist, how is the ride?  I would
> like it to be firm for handling yet still livable.

That's the cool thing.  YOU can adjust the ride.  The ride was fine. It was a
little firm, but not jarring.

> Second, are they a big
> pain in the but to operate?

I never had a control in the passenger compartment.  I just had the air fitting
in my trunk.  So, it wasn't really convenient.

> How do they react to temp. change?

Never thought about it.  Northern Illinois (where I lived at the time) can get
pretty cold AND hot and humid.  I never noticed any temp related problems.

> Are they
> easy to install?

Yup.  Make sure you install them so the air fitting is facing away from the 
coil
spring, and plan how you're going to route your air line before you install.
Don't let the air line kink, rub on the frame or something, or get too tight.

> And finally (for now), how durable are they?

Mine only lasted a short time (about two years) but I bought these cheap Sears 
&
Roebuck shocks (I was a junior in high-school, what can I say?).  The ones you
buy are probably better.  Don't overfill the shock or you'll blow the seal.

> And one more, how high can the
> shocks raise the car.  I don't want it to be stupid if it sits up too high.

There again, YOU control the lift.  But if raising the car is your goal, don't
rely on air shocks.  They're fine for levelling the car and maybe giving a
LITTLE lift. If you want to lift the car, put in stiffer springs or spring
spacers or something. That way the weight the car is on the spring perch where
it's supposed to be.  The shock mount is not designed to carry the weight of 
the
car.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:55:08 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wire hubcaps

 brian..the dishwasher works great on w/wheels

have you ever tried wire wheel /mag wheel cleaner???and a press washer...

works even better   jeff  olds guy

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 10:56:36 -0500 (EST)
From: mputz@interhop.net (Mike Putz)
Subject: H/O Emblem Question

>Can anyone tell me what emblems were on the trunk lid of a 72 H/O Indy Pace
Car?

Was there a 442, or the Oldsmobile letters or what.

Also,  Were there large metal H/O emblems on the front door panels?

Thanks if you can help.  I am doing a rather large project on my 72 clone of
a replica.

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 09:00:37 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

Thomas:

    I do have stiffer coils.  As a matter of fact, I will install new rear
coils with these shocks.  The coils are TRW for a diesel Custom Cruiser.
They will fit the car and look stiffer, but a tad shorter then my original
stuff.  I had them on my '98 Regency (1981) for one month now and they
worked good.  Made the suspension stiffer in the rear (and with the soft
front it was really noticeable), however I don't think that they raised the
car.  Now the fender-to-tire clearance is a good 3 inches (255/60/15s are
NOT tall and 295/50/15s are even shorter).  Sooo, I am hoping that if I can
stiffen the ride a bunch, I can prevent bottom out.  Coil spacers are a good
idea, I will have to look into that.  Thanks.

Dave:

>I have Monroe air adjustable shocks on the back of my 85 Delta. They're
used
>in conjunction with the automatic leveling system. A compressor under the
>hood activates by a position sensor in the rear suspension. It is sooo
>cool...


Did you have the compressor with the car OR did you install it separately.
If so, what car did you pick it from or how much were they new.  I am very
interested in doing this so that I can have it dash operated.  How about the
level sensor.  I would not mind that but I also want manual control.  Level
sensor would be good to prevent it from bottoming out, though.  Thanks.
Igor.

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:02:35 -0500 (EST)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: '75 Hurst FS

Call them directly:

>75 HURST OLDSMOBILE, very first off the line in 75, $3800 or best
>offer, (815)356-0538 610-SK-04PZ15B-04 OSDL-04

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:32:32 -0600
From: "Charles A. Dempsey" <cdemps@lsumc.edu>
Subject: '76 CS. Found my build sheet!

Hi Gang,

I've just got to share this with someone who appreciates it. The car is
a '76 Cutlass Supreme, plant code "R" (Arlington, TX), 350 4bbl that I
bought in November from a nice lady who claimed to be the original
owner.

Last night I was routing wire for the rear speakers which required me to
remove the right door scuff plate in order to raise the carpet and get
at the wire loom. As I lifted the carpet in the front passenger foot
well I saw a piece of brown paper laying under the carpet. I eased it
out (it wasn't really stuck to anything) and, lo and behold, it's my
build sheet!

So, I go bouncing into the house yelling to all and sundry that I found
my build sheet! Wife says "That's nice dear (yawn), what's a build
sheet? Six year old daughter is watching George of the Jungle; a near
miss by lightning won't disturb her. The best reaction I got was from my
four year old son who said "That's neat dad!". Although he wouldn't know
a build sheet from a phone bill, he is shaping up to be a real car nut
:-).

If anybody cares to comment on this please CC: me. I'm subscribed in
digest mode.

The codes I don't know about are;

FE2 Suspension PK
V1V delete lic bk
XXXCUSTOMER ODER

I believe the suspension pk must be heavier sway bars. I noticed when I
bought the car that they're big honkers. The car corners flat but I
don't think it's got heavy springs because it see-saws pretty bad in the
bumps and ripples.

Does "XXXCUSTOMER ORDER" mean the car was special ordered? If so I've
got new respect for the 92 year old lady (original owner) that I bought
the car from.

Thanks,
Charles

As a side note, although the car was not well documented, I am now
certain that the mileage (62,300) was correct. I just replaced one of
the head lights and noticed that they're all matching "Guide Lamp"
originals!

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:18:20 -0500
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: H/O Emblem Question

Mike Putz wrote:
> 
> >Can anyone tell me what emblems were on the trunk lid of a 72 H/O Indy Pace
> Car?
> 
> Was there a 442, or the Oldsmobile letters or what.
> 
> Also,  Were there large metal H/O emblems on the front door panels?
> 
> Thanks if you can help.  I am doing a rather large project on my 72 clone of
> a replica.


	You only had 4 emblems, 1 on the trunk, 1 on the glove box and 1 on
each side of sail panel.
 
         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
               Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)  OCA# 4903
                             1970 W30 (red)

                      mailto:drdecal@wwnet.net
                      mailto:mcornea@ford.com

                    Visit http://www.drdecal.com
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:22:15 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: H/O Emblem Question

Mike Putz wrote:
> 
> >Can anyone tell me what emblems were on the trunk lid of a 72 H/O Indy Pace
> Car?

The only trunk emblem was the "H/O" emblem located in the lower right
corner of the right side fat trunk stripe.  As long as you don't try and
pass it off as a real H/O, then do what you want.  It's your car.

The interior ID was a rather large placard/plate that covered the
furthest right side of the glovebox woodgrain with a large H/O emblem on
it, and lettered on the plate was "1972 Indy 500 Pace Car"  Good luck on
finding that piece.

Cloning one isn't what I'd call an easy task, however much easier than
cloning, say, a 69.  Each year of the H/O had it's specific oddities
that made it a unique car.  But to copy is sometimes considered
flattery, and if you truly can't afford a real 72 H/O, then it might be
the next best thing.

However, keep in mind that it won't be cheap.  The fadeaway stripe kit,
the emblems, the special vinyl roof material(hardtop). Consider that
with the current price of the real 72 H/Os, they aren't extremely
expensive all things considered.

My input.
Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:27:14 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: H/O Emblem Question

>         You only had 4 emblems, 1 on the trunk, 1 on the glove box and 1 on
> each side of sail panel.

Mark is right.  And to clarify, one on each side of the front fenders
for a convertible in lieu of the sail panels, since it wouldn't be smart
to put them on the folding top.  You didn't specify which type you had,
hardtop or vert.

While we're on this subject, what's the deal with that little "Hurst
Computer" option on the 72s?  I've never actually seen one, just heard
about em.  What function do they perform?

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:44:21 -0500
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: H/O Emblem Question

Mike Rothe. wrote:
> 
> >         You only had 4 emblems, 1 on the trunk, 1 on the glove box and 1 on
> > each side of sail panel.
> 
> Mark is right.  And to clarify, one on each side of the front fenders
> for a convertible in lieu of the sail panels, since it wouldn't be smart
> to put them on the folding top.  You didn't specify which type you had,
> hardtop or vert.
> 
> While we're on this subject, what's the deal with that little "Hurst
> Computer" option on the 72s?  I've never actually seen one, just heard
> about em.  What function do they perform?
> 
> Mike Rothe


	Funny you should mention that, I had one in my '72 H/O. It was really
cool. It gave you ET, speed, and one other thing, but I can't remember. 
It worked off your left from wheel with magnets and also a mercury
switch under the dash.
 
         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
               Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)  OCA# 4903
                             1970 W30 (red)

                      mailto:drdecal@wwnet.net
                      mailto:mcornea@ford.com

                    Visit http://www.drdecal.com
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:57:22 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: '76 CS. Found my build sheet!

Thanks for sharing your build sheet info, congratulations!!!  I think I will
check there too for my build sheet. I dont really need it since the original
window sticker is still on the car..8,900 orig. miles...but it would be nice
to find it there...Thanks!!! Hot Rod Harry from NJ 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">1973 Olds Cutlass 455
4speed</A> 

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:34:50 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rally Pack Talk & Rebuilder Suggestions/References

Mine's with the Tachman now (H&H Auto Electric -- see Hemmings).  Also, see
www.tachman.com .  I'll let you know how it comes back...

Scott
71 442 Conv.

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 11:49:50 -0600
From: "72Hurst" <72hurst@net-email.com>
Subject: Re: H/O Emblem Question

>>Can anyone tell me what emblems were on the trunk lid of a 72 H/O Indy
Pace
>Car?
>Was there a 442, or the Oldsmobile letters or what

As far as I know, the only emblem on the trunk lid would be the H/O Emblem
on the passenger side rear edge, above the tail light. No other emblems.
>
>Also,  Were there large metal H/O emblems on the front door panels?
>

No H/O emblems on any of the door panels.

My $.02

John Kreitzer
72hurst@net-email.com

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 12:52:54 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Johnny Lighting Cars

>Couple weeks ago someone mentioned the Johnny Lighting series with the
>Hairy Olds as one of the cars.  I have been looking for that car since. 
>SuperK and ToyRUs are out of them.  I did find a nice 70' 442.  On the

I was able to find a bunch of the Hairy Oldses at the local Ames dept.
store; only bought one though. Odd thing is that it's in the
"wheelstanders" series, and has the little stand to make it look like the
car is pulling up the front wheels (which is the *only* way the Hairy Olds
would ever get the front wheels off the ground!).

>package it also had a web site that you can check out the Hairy Olds even
>if you can't actually find it at the stores.  The web site is
>www.playingmantis.com.  I'll keep the search up for the Hairy Olds but
>there are other Oldsmobiles in the series.  I think there was a 73' or 74'
>Cutlass.

I saw that listing, and also the next series of Stock Car legends which has
a '76 or '77 Cutlass Stock-car. They also produced the topless '74(?)
pace-car Cutlass in their Indy 500 series. It's nice to have a company
producing all these obscure models.

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:03:04 EST
From: Junkdlr@aol.com
Subject: Re: H/O Emblem Question

There is a H/O emblem that goes on the right bottom of the trunk hood.  Also
on the front quarter panels.  These are plastic and not metal.

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:03:08 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Congrats to the G-body list

I'll second that motion -- Congratulations!

Scott
71 442 Conv.

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:05:20 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Fwd: Private party buying over the net

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getting something else back?  I just sent my TicTocTach out to the Tachman.
'Not worried about him. He's been around a long time. But for future
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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:09:38 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Private party buying over the net

 

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:11:23 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Air Cleaner Connections

Does anyone know if there's a difference in the various connections from the
air cleaner to the valve covers between a W-30 and a non W-30?  I was told
that, on a non-W, you use a plug on the driver's side of the air cleaner body
and there aren't any air cleaner connections to the driver side valve cover.
On the passenger side, I think both cars are the same (heat pipe to manifold
shroud, etc.).  I'd really like to get this engine done, but can't seem to
clear up this little detail...    TIA
Scott 
71 442 Conv.

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:41:32 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Distributor Positioning

Thomas, 
Will work OK, just so the rotor is pointing at the right terminal.
Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net
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> From: Thomas P. Smith <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Distributor Positioning

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 13:49:47 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

Igor:
Get it too high and you'll have driveline problems, i.e. snapping U-joints,
on other temp Q, more bumps you hit the higher the air temp becomes, and
more pressure in shocks, EZ to operate, EZ to install, get it too high and
you'll look like a "rice burner" with 17" tires and the radical outset
wheels. Whatever you can live with! Good luck
Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net
- ----------
> From: Igor T. '81 DRB 455 <igor455@home.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Air Shocks

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:54:58 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

I like "rice rocket" better, just my humble op.
Kelly Erickson
1966 Cutlass

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:58:39 -0400
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: Latest "Popular Hot Rodding"

Just thought some of you may be interested. The March '99 issue has 2
PAGES!!! of Olds material. It showcases both Olds events of last summer,
Mondello's Cordova and Miller's Norwalk. They made the OBVIOUS statement
"...Olds-powered cars are outnumbered at many events,.." I'd bet the
average reader just skipped over this section, "If it ain't
(Ford/Chevy), I ain't interested." And, of course, no color photos, as
if they didn't want to waste their time. BUT, there is a BEAUTIFUL
yellow C*maro on the next page!!!! Bleh!!!
	I was excited to see this article because I was at the Norwalk event. I
was also hoping that maybe just maybe, one of their snapshots had me in
it. But no-ah-ah. Oh well, there's always next year, and maybe this time
I'll be able to bring one or two of my Oldses to the event. Lousy
restoration!

- -- 
|============|
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
|=========================|
'73 Cutlass Supreme
'70 Cutlass 'S'
'75 Cutlass 'S'
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
|=================================================|

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 14:13:39 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

Kelly:
Hate to even use that "rocket" word in relation to those things!! Sorry to
admit I actually bought a 1972 Datsun"Nissan" pick up in 1972, nothing fell
off, nothing broke, went to the dealer once, the windshield wiper blade
rubber was made from fisheyes or something like that. They rotted the first
week I had it, put on a set of "made in the USA" Tricos, drove it for 7
years, sold it for 400.00 more then I paid for it. Still, I feel, although
they brought quality control to the US car makers, that it's almost
traitorous to buy those things. Everyone can't work at Mickey Dees. God
forbid we would get into a scuffle(war) with them, we would have to buy
steel from them to build weapons. Rant over. Sorry, Cajun music always does
that to me!
Lou

- ----------
> From: Gutlass66@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Air Shocks
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 1:54 PM
> 
> I like "rice rocket" better, just my humble op.
> Kelly Erickson
> 1966 Cutlass

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:45:21 -0500 (EST)
From: mputz@interhop.net (Mike Putz)
Subject: Re: H/O Emblem Question

Thanks to everyone who replied to my questions.  I think I got everything I
need.  My clone is a convertible which I bought a couple of years ago as a
clone.  I knew what it was when I bought it, and I would never sell it as
anything else (in fact I don't ever expect to sell it).

I love the car, and what I found after I bought it was that the guy who did
it up did a fast and sloppy job.  Now I am undoing a lot of it and turning
it into something more respectable.  I am currently replacing the floor with
one from a southern shell, and when I am done, I will have to repaint it. It
was previously painted in sections, and there are two or three different
color whites.  Looks good in the sun from 20 feet away.

I am also redoing the interior.  It will not be an exact clone, but by geeze
it will look nice and will be solid as a rock.  It has a 455 with marine
heads, ram air, will have rear sway bar and NOS dual gate.  I know I have
much more in it than it is worth, but I am sure most of you have been there
before.

Thanks again for the help.

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:59:50 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

ah yes, but isnt rice small? and...sadly, a Eclipse got into a freeway race
with my dads 68 Cutlass supreme, the cutlass took it up to around 100, but
once the 350 went past 4500rpms, the Eclipse ripped past...but there is a
catch...about 3 miles later on the freeway we saw the car pulled over by a
unmarked 5.0 cop car, I guess american cars have a way of gettin' the
forigners one way or antoher
Kelly

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:25:26 EST
From: MAT68442@aol.com
Subject: interior questions 71 cutlass s

I have a 71 cutlass s that i am working on. the question i have is, my dash
only has the woodgrain around the gauge area and on the console, but not on
the glovebox and the strip where the radio is. is this correct or should there
be woodgrain in all 4 areas ?

	mark
	87 442 
	71 cutlass s

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:41:55 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

>ah yes, but isnt rice small? and...sadly, a Eclipse got into a freeway race
>with my dads 68 Cutlass supreme, the cutlass took it up to around 100, but
>once the 350 went past 4500rpms, the Eclipse ripped past...but there is a
>catch...about 3 miles later on the freeway we saw the car pulled over by a
>unmarked 5.0 cop car, I guess american cars have a way of gettin' the
>forigners one way or antoher


I raced an Eclipse once with my dad's '95 Intrepid.  It was the last light
on the freeway and then 75 MPH limit.  Perfect for race.  The Intrepid
jumped ahead up to 40 MPH, but then the Eclipse (stick) went in front of me
by about 1 car length.  At 100 MPH I was catching him pretty good and at 110
I was equal.  At 115 the computer shut my fuel pump off at which point the
race was over.  If it was not for the computer, the Intrepid would have
pulled ahead of the Eclipse (for a while anyway), but the motor was
approaching the RED LINE and it did not pull much anymore.  My 455 would
have kicked the guys but all the way back to Japan until it reached 5000 RPM
at which point I would back off because it a) would not pull anymore, b)
motor would blow up and c) I would not have enough fuel to get home :-)

Igor.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:48:26 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

well, this one was pretty "japed" out, i bet they had somthing on the engine,
because my friend has raced them in his 85 T/A with  275+miles on teh orignal
chebby 305 wihtout a rebuild, and he's beat em, and my dads cutlass took his
car easy...SO this wasn't your normal eclipse, but hey, cutlass used 8x the
gas

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:52:36 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

Igor:
Must install a hand pump for fuel delivery system, can't have them pull
ahead!!
Lou

- ----------
> From: Igor T. '81 DRB 455 <igor455@home.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Air Shocks
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 4:41 PM
> I raced an Eclipse once with my dad's '95 Intrepid.  It was the last
light
> on the freeway and then 75 MPH limit.  Perfect for race.  The Intrepid
> jumped ahead up to 40 MPH, but then the Eclipse (stick) went in front of
me
> by about 1 car length.  At 100 MPH I was catching him pretty good and at
110
> I was equal.  At 115 the computer shut my fuel pump off at which point
the
> race was over.  If it was not for the computer, the Intrepid would have
> pulled ahead of the Eclipse (for a while anyway), but the motor was
> approaching the RED LINE and it did not pull much anymore.  My 455 would
> have kicked the guys but all the way back to Japan until it reached 5000
RPM
> at which point I would back off because it a) would not pull anymore, b)
> motor would blow up and c) I would not have enough fuel to get home :-)
> 
> Igor.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 16:55:00 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

Support your local sand people! Drive a lot!
Lou
- ----------
> From: Gutlass66@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Air Shocks
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 4:48 PM
> 
> well, this one was pretty "japed" out, i bet they had somthing on the
engine,
> because my friend has raced them in his 85 T/A with  275+miles on teh
orignal
> chebby 305 wihtout a rebuild, and he's beat em, and my dads cutlass took
his
> car easy...SO this wasn't your normal eclipse, but hey, cutlass used 8x
the
> gas

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:55:51 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

Tell ya what Lou, Go on the Year 2000 power tour, and we'll spank em together,
alrightie? For everyone with an oldsmobile, lets go on the Yr2k power tour, we
can have a Olds camp, it'll be fun. 
Kelly

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:01:29 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: interior questions 71 cutlass s

MAT68442@aol.com wrote:

> I have a 71 cutlass s that i am working on. the question i have is, my dash
> only has the woodgrain around the gauge area and on the console, but not on
> the glovebox and the strip where the radio is. is this correct or should 
there
> be woodgrain in all 4 areas ?

My 71 Cutlass S (automatic on the column) only has the woodgrain around the 
gauge
area.  None anywhere else.  I can say positively, since it's been in the family
from the day it was bought, that the interior has never been modified.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 15:00:02 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Air Cleaner Connections

CPEARLPARK@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know if there's a difference in the various connections from the
> air cleaner to the valve covers between a W-30 and a non W-30?  I was told
> that, on a non-W, you use a plug on the driver's side of the air cleaner bo
dy
> and there aren't any air cleaner connections to the driver side valve cover.
> On the passenger side, I think both cars are the same (heat pipe to manifold
> shroud, etc.).  I'd really like to get this engine done, but can't seem to
> clear up this little detail...    TIA
> Scott
> 71 442 Conv.


Scott,
If your 71 4-4-2 has a manual trans, it will utilize
the same crankcase vent system as the W-30.  This setup
uses a breather located on each valve cover that connect
to the air cleaner housing via tubes and grommets.  On
these cars, the pcv valve is located just in front of 
the carb and connect to a tube in the intake manifold.
If your 4-4-2 is a non W-30 with an automatic trans,
(With or without W-25) the right (passenger) side valve 
cover will have a breather that is connected to the air 
cleaner housing.  The left side valve cover is where 
your pcv valve is located.  On this application, the 
hole in the left side of the air cleaner housing is plugged.
The exhaust manifold shroud and tube that connect to
the snorkle on the air cleaner housing are the same
regardless of W-25, W-30 or trans type on a 1971 4-4-2.


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 
Portland  Oregon  503-244-8249

Web site
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 18:21:05 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: good/bad junkyard day

I got the rallye gauges from that Salon in the junkyard.  I am not sure
that they are any good but they are worth a try.  Either way, my car
will be ready to go when I do get a good set.  They pulled a nice
looking Cutlass Calais in (on its rear wheels) and lined it up with the
rest of them.  It was blue, perfect body.  Must have been a bad motor
(and trans, now) Anyway, I asked if I could get some parts off it and he
said not until it became "part of the stacks".  Limited space requires a
three deep stack of cars.  I was there to watch them stack a Reliant K
station wagon on top of it.  I was very upset, but even worse was the
fact that the key was in it, turned on, and all the idiot lights and
radio were on.  I turned it over and it obliged but I didn't try any
further than that.  It had a console, bucket seats, Rallye gauges, nice
wheels.  Only thing I could see was a flat tire and no steering wheel. 
EVERYTHING else was there.  If anyone needs a good blue Calais interior
it is in Rahway, NJ.  Could probably be had for cheap.  It sure broke my
heart to see that G-Body roof get flattened.  Also, on this Salon I
noticed a perfect set of orange signal lights in the bumper when I went
to get the gauges.  (turns out it was an 87 instead of an 86) and I
decided that I wanted to get them.  I left for about an hour to get my
friend and when I got back they were gone.  Speaking of stealing, the
guy in the junkyard didn't remember selling them.  Some A$$hole is out
there enjoying the lights that I would have otherwise paid good money
for (forgive me if you are the one that _bought_ them....He just didn't
remember anyone getting them).  Yep, a bad day at the yards.  I DID get
those gauges though.  None of the senders were there but I did manage to
get the bras elbow from one of them.  I may put them in omorrow if the
weather clears.
Brian.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:35:18 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

Kelly:
Need some time off anyway, will bring the 67 442, won't trailer it this
time, drive it, hurt them bad!
Lou

- ----------
> From: Gutlass66@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Air Shocks
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 4:55 PM
> 
> Tell ya what Lou, Go on the Year 2000 power tour, and we'll spank em
together,
> alrightie? For everyone with an oldsmobile, lets go on the Yr2k power
tour, we
> can have a Olds camp, it'll be fun. 
> Kelly

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:37:39 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: interior questions 71 cutlass s

Thomas:
75 has the same thing, no glove box, radio knobs are wood grained. All I
know.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Thomas P. Smith <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: interior questions 71 cutlass s

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 17:40:49 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: good/bad junkyard day

Brian:
Sad reflection on mankind, "K" car on top, Wow, what a bummer1
Lou

- ----------
> From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
> To: olds_gbody@listbot.com; oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: good/bad junkyard day
Brian.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:44:55 -0500
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: interior questions 71 cutlass s

Mark

        Not on a Cutlass or Cutlass S. Only the Supreme's had wood grain on all
areas.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts

At 05:25 PM 1/23/99 , you wrote:
>I have a 71 cutlass s that i am working on. the question i have is, my dash
>only has the woodgrain around the gauge area and on the console, but not on
>the glovebox and the strip where the radio is. is this correct or should there
>be woodgrain in all 4 areas ?
>
>       mark
>       87 442 
>       71 cutlass s

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:20:07 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

Ah yes, the early 442. With my little hopups on my Lil' 330 that can (and
will), we should be able to show some Camaros a thing or too :). I'll be 16,
so I'll do all the stupid stuff  :)
Kelly

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:25:22 -0500
From: Scott & Sharon <jerdan@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Speedo trans adapters before&after times

> Scott:
>
>      What were your before and after 1/4 mile times/speeds?
> 'Enquiring' minds want to know :)

> John

> John,

I was running low 14s to 13.9s with the 3.42s and 225 70 R 14s.  With the
3.91s the street tire just cooked, so my times changed little.  The mile
per hr went from 100 to 103.  I put 8.5" slicks on it just before the end
of the season and made 3 passes with 13.41 @103.7 being the best.  I think
on a good day I might break into the twelves next season.

Scott Jerdan
70 W-30

>

>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:29:55 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Air Shocks

> Tell ya what Lou, Go on the Year 2000 power tour, and we'll spank 
> em together,
> alrightie? For everyone with an oldsmobile, lets go on the Yr2k 
> power tour, we
> can have a Olds camp, it'll be fun. 
> Kelly


I'll coordinate the Y2K East Coast Tour Olds posse.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com 

Custom Conversion Prototype: 
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:33:29 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

Sounds good, We need many Cutli and 442, it will be a good thing, and you
vistacruisers and big olds's, you come too, we need to take this thing over,
show some real TORQUE 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:38:50 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Air Shocks  hi

 gutlass did you ever sell the mopar car

i think this was you i talked too......


jeff...olds guy

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 19:47:09 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Air Shocks  hi

I've never owned a Mopar, and I'm 14, sorry, wrong guy (well, have a 1979
Chrysler LeBaron, been sitting for 3 years, anyone want it?)

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:24:38 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Posi Question

Okay, I am sure that I have a posi.  Had a limited slip tab, plus it looked
inside like it was a posi unit.  Before I put the rear on the car, I turned
one wheel and the other turned in the same direction.  In addition, at WOT,
the 455 spins both tires and always leaves TWO dark tire patches.  Today
when I went to remove my old shocks, I had the entire rear in the air and I
turned one tire (car in park).  The other tire moved in the OPPOSITE
direction.  The driveshaft did NOT move.  I tried it in both directions, and
the same thing happened.  DO I NOT have a posi or what.  I thought I had
this concept nailed but I could have been mistaken.  Given how lousy my
traction is, I bet it is not a posi.  Damn it.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:35:42 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Posi Question

Well there are different kinds of posi (cones, clutches, etc.) so mine may be
different, but in park I can't get either wheel to turn with both off of the
ground.  That said, I wouldn't doubt that yours is a posi of some other type
since you do leave dual tracks.  I dunno, I'm sure someone who knows more will
pipe up with a definitive answer.

"Igor T. '81 DRB 455" wrote:
> 
> Okay, I am sure that I have a posi.  Had a limited slip tab, plus it looked
> inside like it was a posi unit.  Before I put the rear on the car, I turned
> one wheel and the other turned in the same direction.  In addition, at WOT,
> the 455 spins both tires and always leaves TWO dark tire patches.  Today
> when I went to remove my old shocks, I had the entire rear in the air and I
> turned one tire (car in park).  The other tire moved in the OPPOSITE
> direction.  The driveshaft did NOT move.  I tried it in both directions, and
> the same thing happened.  DO I NOT have a posi or what.  I thought I had
> this concept nailed but I could have been mistaken.  Given how lousy my
> traction is, I bet it is not a posi.  Damn it.

- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit) (soon to be a 455 :)
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:51:02 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Posi Question

In a message dated 1/23/99 5:26:35 PM Pacific Standard Time, igor455@home.com
writes:

<< Okay, I am sure that I have a posi.  Had a limited slip tab, plus it looked
 inside like it was a posi unit.  Before I put the rear on the car, I turned
 one wheel and the other turned in the same direction.  In addition, at WOT,
 the 455 spins both tires and always leaves TWO dark tire patches.  Today
 when I went to remove my old shocks, I had the entire rear in the air and I
 turned one tire (car in park).  The other tire moved in the OPPOSITE
 direction.  The driveshaft did NOT move.  I tried it in both directions, and
 the same thing happened.  DO I NOT have a posi or what.  I thought I had
 this concept nailed but I could have been mistaken.  Given how lousy my
 traction is, I bet it is not a posi.  Damn it. >>

      Igor, sounds like perhaps you have a posi unit thats gone bad. An "open"
diff., (one legger, etc) when going bad, or behind lots of power, can give the
illusion of posi. Posi will spin the tires in the same direction off the
ground. For my '86 Cutlass, the proper procedure to test the posi clutches is
to hook a torque wrench up to something, (it's in the Haynes manual...might be
the drive pinion nut) and record how much force it takes to turn against the
clutches, causing them to slip. Sounds to me like it's a posi going bad. On
inspection, the carrier will not have any gears readily visible, nor will you
be able to see the pinion shaft (runs right through the center of the carrier,
held in with that little bolt) through the "windows" in the carrier. That of
course is for the slutch type posi only..cone type..no clue. Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:54:51 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: good/bad junkyard day

That is quite a shame about that poor car getting its roof crushed.  A damn
damn shame...

So, I remember a suggestion a while back on this list that before you
install those guages, you should open up the back and solder all the metal
"clips" and what not.  Just solder anything electrical that is for the
guages.  This will supposedly help the accuracy and dependability of the
guages.  I soldered mine, but the cluster is still sitting in my garage, so
I don't know if it helped or not...

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 18:00:51 PST
From: "Mike Sealey" <rocket98for69@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Olds History Center procedures

On Fri, 22 Jan 1999 16:27:30 -0700, Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca> 
writes:

(snip)

>BTW: what colour is "Sable" anyway?  Is that gold or brown?

It's a dark metallic brown, about the shade of a mink coat.

Mike Sealey
'69 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan...
...which still has its window sticker
describing its body color as "Sable"...

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:02:45 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

Gary:
You be on!
Lou

- ----------
> From: Gary Couse <gjcouse@francomm.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Air Shocks
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 6:29 PM

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:13:55 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Air Shocks  hi

Sorry, 
Just sold a Vega!
Lou

- ----------
> From: Gutlass66@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Air Shocks  hi
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 6:47 PM
> 
> I've never owned a Mopar, and I'm 14, sorry, wrong guy (well, have a 1979
> Chrysler LeBaron, been sitting for 3 years, anyone want it?)

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 21:14:21 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: good/bad junkyard day

Yup, I seem to remember that too.  I'm going to the garage now to take
it apart and clean everything (except the gauge faces of course) and
make sure everything is neat and tidy.  Nothing more exciting than
working on your Olds on a Saturday night (hee hee hee).  
P.S.  To make the pot a little sweeter (or more sour) the Calais I saw
get crushed was only showing 87k miles on the odometer.  I really don't
think it has rolled over yet, considering the lack of wear on the
interior.  Really sad.
Brian.

Master Costanzo wrote:
> 
> That is quite a shame about that poor car getting its roof crushed.  A damn
> damn shame...
> 
> So, I remember a suggestion a while back on this list that before you
> install those guages, you should open up the back and solder all the metal
> "clips" and what not.  Just solder anything electrical that is for the
> guages.  This will supposedly help the accuracy and dependability of the
> guages.  I soldered mine, but the cluster is still sitting in my garage, so
> I don't know if it helped or not...
> 
> Ray Costanzo
> 87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
> 84 Calais ($200!)
> costanzo@netcarrier.com
> http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 20:17:46 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Olds History Center procedures

Or the color of a Sable coat, just kidding!
Lou

- ----------
> From: Mike Sealey <rocket98for69@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Olds History Center procedures
> Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 8:00 PM
> 
> >BTW: what colour is "Sable" anyway?  Is that gold or brown?
> 
> It's a dark metallic brown, about the shade of a mink coat.
> 
> Mike Sealey
> '69 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan...
> ...which still has its window sticker
> describing its body color as "Sable"...

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:17:16 -0500
From: "laurencesimpson" <laurencesimpson@email.msn.com>
Subject: Hurst Heritage Book

For all those list members that want to know more about Hurst Performance,
ebay has a copy of the out of print book The Hurst Heritage up for auction.
Use hurst as your search word.

Laurence Simpson, D.D.S.
HOCA #514

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:48:47 EST
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Web Site Update

	I just got finished updating my Oldsmobile page. I added a new picture 
w/ Dr.
Olds and his helpers. Stop by my site and see if you can name his committee!
Have fun!
http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html
or <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html">click here</A>
Thanks,
Jim McKeague
1970 Rallye 350
1970 Cutlass S W-31

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 22:51:14 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Vinyl Roof Spot Repair Kit

Has anyone ever used one of those vinyl repair kits that includes the
graining paper and curing iron? Quincy has a very small prick hole in an
otherwise pristine vinyl top. Don't really want to change the top and this
one's not show worthy in my opinion. I've never seen a completed repair from
one of these kits. Has anyone?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Reilly [mailto:wjreilly@erols.com]
> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 9:51 PM
> To: olds_gbody@listbot.com; Chris Lawrence
> Subject: Re: Vinyl Roof?

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:10:27 -0500
From: "Andersons" <robertan@cfw.com>
Subject: Re: Vinyl Roof Spot Repair Kit

I had pretty good results with one, on black interior vinyl in low wear
areas.  But, the repair on the armrest pad, that looked pretty good, cracked
loose again in a month.  Not sure how it would stand up to the elements on
exterior.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Gary Couse <gjcouse@francomm.com>
To: G-Body List <olds_gbody@listbot.com>; Bill Reilly <wjreilly@erols.com>
Cc: Oldsmobile@Chebucto. Ns. Ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 10:49 PM
Subject: Vinyl Roof Spot Repair Kit


>Has anyone ever used one of those vinyl repair kits that includes the
>graining paper and curing iron? Quincy has a very small prick hole in an
>otherwise pristine vinyl top. Don't really want to change the top and this
>one's not show worthy in my opinion. I've never seen a completed repair
from
>one of these kits. Has anyone?
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Reilly [mailto:wjreilly@erols.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 1999 9:51 PM
>> To: olds_gbody@listbot.com; Chris Lawrence
>> Subject: Re: Vinyl Roof?
>
>

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 23:34:51 -0500
From: "C Thomas" <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: Re: Web Site Update

That picture ROCKS  Do you think it would be available in a poster?
- -----Original Message-----
From: DROLDS350@aol.com <DROLDS350@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Cc: DROLDS350@aol.com <DROLDS350@aol.com>
Date: Saturday, January 23, 1999 10:51 PM
Subject: Web Site Update


> I just got finished updating my Oldsmobile page. I added a new picture w/
Dr.
>Olds and his helpers. Stop by my site and see if you can name his
committee!
>Have fun!
>http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html
>or <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html">click here</A>
>Thanks,
>Jim McKeague
>1970 Rallye 350
>1970 Cutlass S W-31

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:45:12 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Web site update - me too.

Very cool picture.  

I just finished some updates too.  I added the rest of the '69 Youngmobile
brochure, cleaned it up a bit, and gave it a separate identity "The OldsZone". 
I hope I didn't step on any toes with it.  

Anyway it's at http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html if anyone
is really bored.
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit) (soon to be a 455 :)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1999 21:49:35 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Olds History Center procedures

Mike Sealey wrote:
> 
> (snip)
> >BTW: what colour is "Sable" anyway?  Is that gold or brown?
> 
> It's a dark metallic brown, about the shade of a mink coat.
> 
Thanks Mike, just ignore Lou :).
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit) (soon to be a 455 :)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 00:59:03 -0500
From: "person" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Parting out/selling 1970 OLDs 98 4 door sedan.

What condition is the 69 front clip is in? And where are you located?
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VBDeveloper@worldnet.att.net

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         666                                 999
- -----Original Message-----
From: jackkopf <jackkopf@email.msn.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, January 19, 1999 10:24 AM
Subject: Parting out/selling 1970 OLDs 98 4 door sedan.


>
>   Hello
>
>  I'm selling a 70' 98 4 door. The car was purchased for the
>clip and
>wheel skirts. Other than those items the car is complete.
>The engine
>is a 455 with 88K miles. The front seat is worn other than
>that the
>interior is clean. Color is brown/brown. The engine runs
>strong and
>can be demonstrated. Let me know your needs and I will
>respond
>promptly.
>
>PS
>Car also comes with a clip from a 69' 98
>
>JK
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1999 01:03:26 -0500
From: EJ <oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Pictures 

Greetings all.

If anyone is bored and wants to scope out a few pics of my 84 Calais,
and well......sorry, a couple of non-Olds's.

http://members.tripod.com/Olds_luvr/photoalbum/photoalbum/index.html


Admittedly, I don't know much about web pages, so this was just a
"quickie". I'll learn as I experiment I guess.

EJ
- -- 
"EJ"  In Hamilton Township, New Jersey, suburb of Trenton
On digest where availabile, not regular mail
E-Mail: oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net
                               The "Fleet"
1979 Pontiac "Olds organ donor" Trans Am T-tops Rebuilt Olds 6.6L 403 
     4bbl-TH350 Performer Cam and Intake.....going into the Calais
     For Sale. 
1984 Olds Cutlass Calais T-Tops 5.0L 307 4bbl-TH350-2.14 gears K+N.....
     soon to be 6.6L 403 4bbl, and hopefully some better "rear" gears
1985 Olds Toronado 5.0L 307 4bbl-AOD(newly acquired Sept. 98). 
1992 Lincoln Mark VII LSC Moonroof 5.0L 302 EFI HO-AOD-3.27 gears
     inner fender baffle removed-K+N.
1992 Ford F-250 Reg-Cab 4WD 7.5L 460 EFI-E4OD Auto-3.55 gears.
     3-inch converter-dual outlet flowmaster 3 chamber.
     Complete K+N(no more factory air-box)-ADS Super Chip-Spitfires-
     Accel Super Coil-Cap-Rotor & 8.8 wires.
1994 Toyota Camry Sedan 4-banger-(Wow we could have had a V6!)-"mili
     -liter"-AOD. K+N (why did I even bother, still a slug!) 
     My SO's rider

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