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oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, February 17 1999    Volume 01 : Number 1786



RE: ROLL CALL
Re: EGR (gag!) Q-jets on non-EGR vehicles.
Re: Gas Mileage
Re: EGR (gag!) Q-jets on non-EGR vehicles.
Re: Roll Call
RE: ROLL CALL
Re: Brighter lights?
Re: EGR (gag!) Q-jets on non-EGR vehicles.
roll call
Need dimensions for engine cradle.
Re:ROLL CALL
Re: Need dimensions for engine cradle.
Re: Roll Call
Interior Chrome
RE: Need dimensions for engine cradle.
Re: Re: Roll Call
Re: Re: Roll Call
Resto $$
Roll Call
Roll Call
Re: Need dimensions for engine cradle.
Re: Resto $$
Re: Roll Call
Getting OFF the list (+ other stuff)
TEST
Re: Roll Call
Re: Resto $$
Re: Roll Call
RE: Resto $$
RE: Roll Call
Foreign cars
76 Luv pickup w/455 rear engine
RE: 68-72+ 455 headers
Re: Roll Call
Yugo
Re: POR-15  /  Roll Call
Re: 68-72+ 455 headers
RE: 68-72+ 455 headers
Re: Brighter lights?
Re: Roll Call
Wheel well chrome
Re: Brighter lights?
Re: Brighter lights?
FS 66-69 Cutlass/4-4-2 parts
RE: roll call
Re: Roll Call
Oil Pressure Gauge Problems (copper)
Re: Oil Pressure Gauge Problems (copper)
My Turn (Roll Call)
ADMIN ALERT: More re. Virus
Re: Roll Call
Re: My Turn (Roll Call)
Re: Brighter lights?
Re: Resto $$
Re: My Turn (Roll Call)
Re: FS 66-69 Cutlass/4-4-2 parts
roll call
Proper Engine Color for an Olds 403 C.I.D. Engine
Re: Roll Called
photos 64olds & 57chev & 68vette
Re: Brighter lights?
RE: Roll Call
RE: Rip off
Fighting on the list
Re: EGR (gag!) Q-jets on non-EGR vehicles.

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:50:15 -0500
From: Marc Leizza <mleizza@solidworks.com>
Subject: RE: ROLL CALL

Marco Leizza
Software Support Engineer
Cad/Cam Development Corporation
Concord, Ma.
A Passion For H/O's
1975 W-30 Hurst/Olds

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Shokouhi, Mike [SMTP:ShokouhM@nasd.com]
	Sent:	Wednesday, February 17, 1999 11:34 AM
	To:	'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
	Subject:	Re:ROLL CALL

	Mike Shokouhi
	Spokesperson and Market Analyst for
	The Nasdaq Stock Market
	Wash. DC.
	Addicted to Muscle Cars
	69 H/O Just finished frame off
	69 Corvette Conv. (fun driver)
	66 GTO Conv. (looked good, once)

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:58:16 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: EGR (gag!) Q-jets on non-EGR vehicles.

In a message dated 2/17/99 8:52:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, KarlAunan@aol.com
writes:

<< Karl understands that EGR is vacc-driven, so the power piston spring needs
 adjusting. Are there vacc line tubes that must be plugged?
 
 Anything else?
 
 Thanks!
 
 SOM
 
 &KA >>

     Karl, I of course no nothing of the power piston spring, but yes, you
will end up with an extra vacuum port on the carb. They are actually easy to
pull out ifyou can get to the back end of them (like the choke port on the air
horn) I was thinking perhaps one of those reverse threaded screw extractors to
pull them out. Then a brass (maybe too hard) or lead plug to seal it off, and
make it hard to tell one was ever there. 

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:04:59 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Gas Mileage

In a message dated 2/17/99 7:54:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, rocketolds@vt.edu
writes:

<< With less fuel, the engine will run hotter because the combustion chambers
 will be "drier".  With less fuel to absorb the heat and cool down the
 combustion chambers, the cc's will run hot, which heats up the water
 jackets, then the water, then the block, etc.  Fuel has the same cooling
 effect as water does on a hot day.
 
 Jason Adcock >>

	Quite amazing that fuel can act like such a coolant! Thanks for the 
info
Jason! Dorian

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:06:59 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: EGR (gag!) Q-jets on non-EGR vehicles.

Interesting question. I have had 73 and up carbs on some of my earlier Olds
big blocks and just made sure the jetting and secondary needles were the right
size for the engine I was putting the EGR quadrajet on. I would just go plug
happy on whatever vaccum lines I would not be useing. Everything always works.

What is the difference internally of the 73 and up EGR carbs? My 73 Cutlass
455 
4 speed has one and I noticed the primary butterflys have small holes punched
out..usually a thing you would do on a car with a radical cam that had idling
problems. Hot Rod Harry    http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html ( thats
my 73s web page)

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:15:36 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Who else thinks we should have done this thread before that twit with the curse
words was unsubscribed?  If he thought 27 messages was bad what would this
thread have done to his limited grip on sanity?
- --

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:16:50 PST
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: ROLL CALL

  Ryan Beck.
  19 year's old.
  I live in Three oak's ,MI

  work:i Work in a Body Shop,and in my Frend's auto Shop.

  my car's now:a 75 old's DELTA 88 drop top CUSTOM : )

  Car's i had:a 79 T bird,351 BB,a 85 DELTA 307,CUSTOM int.
  a 84 cutlass v6(for a week)

  I injoy:working out,and long walk's on the beach...ahh,ill stop now.



  My  -------   -------
            /  |
           /   |
          /     ------
         /            |
        /             |
       /        ------    DELTA 88
Ryan D Beck
           Riviera72sss@hotmail.com


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Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:22:52 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Brighter lights?

Be careful if you replace all 4 headlights with halogen units, they draw a lot
of juice and the headlight switch has a built in "feature" that will cut off
the current if it thinks it has a short.  We replaced all 4 headlights with
halogen ones on our car and the lights would flash on/of at about 4 second
intervals.  

A relay for the inner lights cured it.  Now truckers flash us there brights if
we forget to dim soon enough.

Stakin@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hella    also offers a kit    It uses the new type  bulbs in an old style
> headlight assembly.  I havent  tried them though  just saw them.  Sylvania
> also offers a xenon halogen bright light   again  havent tried them
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:29:49 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: EGR (gag!) Q-jets on non-EGR vehicles.

In a message dated 2/17/99 9:12:21 AM Pacific Standard Time,
RARE73OLDS@aol.com writes:

<< What is the difference internally of the 73 and up EGR carbs? My 73 Cutlass
 455 
 4 speed has one and I noticed the primary butterflys have small holes punched
 out..usually a thing you would do on a car with a radical cam that had idling
 problems. Hot Rod Harry    http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html ( thats
 my 73s web page) >>

       Well, for one thing, there is a slot in the primary bores for EGR
vacuum. Other than that, more than likely more stuff to tone down performance.
Dorian

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:31:47 -0500 (EST)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: roll call

Hi I'm Doug Harkema and love old Oldsmobiles and all Oldsmobiles in general.  I
currently own a 70 CS conv't.  Other cars which I have owned are:

70 s
86 442
88 calais international
77 T/A 400 4spd

I am a teacher (physical Ed.)
Holt, Mi

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 10:44:05 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Need dimensions for engine cradle.

Hi everyone,
	I was wondering if anyone has blueprints for building a Olds engine 
cradle.  I
built one before when I had a motor on the stand where I could keep putting the
parts up to it for fitting.  Now I'm expecting my rebuilt engine will be back
from the shop any month now (frustration showing) but I don't have access to
the bottom of an Olds for the fitting.

	I won't be putting the motor in my car for a couple of months and I 
don't
think it's a good idea to have an entire BB Olds on my little CostCo stand for
any length of time.  I could just set it on the floor but I'm worried that the
kids could pull it over on themselves.  Besides, I'll need something to hold
the engine that's coming out of the car until I need it.

	My first effort was made out of wood and had 2 wheels to allow me to 
move it
around the shop if I need to.  I _might_ try to make this one out of iron with
a little wood where the engine contacts it to reduce scratching.  Does anyone
have plans or measurements for such a beast?

TIA
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:51:41 -0500
From: toddmorr@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re:ROLL CALL

Sales Mgr, mainframes/DASD, IBM federal
71 442 4 sp

Todd Morris

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:55:16 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Need dimensions for engine cradle.

Your best bet is to buy an engine stand from one of the many companys out
there. They are not that expensive if you consider the safety and convenience
factor. Then you could wheel her around and do work on the bottom of the motor
and feel safe with the kids around. I have used the bottom half of old grocery
carts before but there is no comparison to the real thing. Hot Rod Harry   

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:03:07 +0100
From: hezzo <442@swipnet.se>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Ari Lehto  "hezzo"
Goteborg . Sweden (little country near north pole)
Truck plant employed!
married 3 children
Age 41
70" 442 conv

http://hem2.passagen.se/hezzo/Index.htm

OldsRokkit@aol.com skrev:

> Just curious...how many Oldsmobilers do we have here, where y'all from, and
> what do you do to pay the restoration/gas/insurance/tire bills?  I'll start:
>
> Drew A. Durigan
> Hays, Kansas
> Midday personality on Mix103FM, one of three co-owned Radio, Inc. stations
> here in Western Kansas.

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:13:44 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Interior Chrome

I ws wondering if anyone knows how to repaint or use some type of sticker
to replace the crome that is in the side door panels of a 70-72 "A" body.
My chrome is worn away in some places and it is dull.

Pettrix@prodigy.net\

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:00:31 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Need dimensions for engine cradle.

> Your best bet is to buy an engine stand from one of the many companys out
> there. They are not that expensive if you consider the safety and
> convenience
> 
approx $50 for a 4 wheeled 1000lbs engine stand from Harbor Freight
http://www.harborfreight.com


Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:08:44 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Roll Call

In a message dated 2/17/99, 2:51:29 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<And just to waste my personal share of bandwidth on this subject>>

hehehe...I knew that was coming, Charley :-)


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:08:15 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Roll Call

In a message dated 2/17/99, 2:51:29 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
<<And just to waste my personal share of bandwidth on this subject>>

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:25:45 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Resto $$

Would the following price be fair for a LABOR (parts not included) only
restoration??

Take entire car and strip paint to bare metal
Take off front core support, fenders, doors, hood, trunk, dash, interior
(shell of car on frame is left)
Take out front window and reseal it
Take out entire conv't top assembly and reinstall
Spray primer and new paint and get the car as STRAIGHT as an arrow
Paint on W-30 hood and body stripes
Put back all doors, panels, interior, chrome,etc..
Re-install all electrical, dash,etc..
Re-install motor/trans
Car now has mirror-like straight paint and all doors,trunk, hood has been
aligned and on the car
Car is now in "show" condition where I believe it can easily win best
paint,etc...
And other misc. items I can't remember now

All for $3200  labor only(parts not included)

A good price???
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:20:22 -0600
From: Edmund Terry Fiene <kawtu2@flash.net>
Subject: Roll Call

Terry Fiene
Chief of Police
River Oaks, TX

'76 Luv with rear mounted 455" Olds
'64 El Camino with '96 LT-1 / 6 speed
50% of '98 Navigator (I pay - she drives <g>)
mailto:kawtu2@flash.net
personal homepages at http://www.flash.net/~kawtu2/

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:30:01 -0500
From: "Eckart, Douglas A. SFC" <eckartd@emh.gordon.army.mil>
Subject: Roll Call

me too!
SFC Douglas Eckart
Professional Soldier of 25 years soon to retire 1 March 1999
1969 442 in primer

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:34:39 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Need dimensions for engine cradle.

Cliff,

House OF Tools has a sale on engine stands now.   There is three, but the
one you should buy is 1250 LBS that is the most expensive.  It costs $79.99
+ GST.  I have it.  There is no problem with a fully assembled BB sitting on
it, but if I were you, I would still make a "leg" for the front out of 2x4s
to fit under tight and prevent unnecessary "waving" of the motor.

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:17:27 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Resto $$

All for $3200  labor only(parts not included)...
________

That's about what I would expect a reputable shop to charge for
show-quality body and paint alone.  Of course, this depends on how straight
the car was before starting the project.  "Mirror finish" bodywork doesn't
come cheaply.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:39:00 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Terry, 
I just checked out your webpage. Glad your on our side man! 
Quoting Kathy Mattea's 455 Rocket: "I got a Foooour Fifty Fiiive Rocket,
The kind the police drive"

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455




At 12:20 PM 2/17/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Terry Fiene
>Chief of Police
>River Oaks, TX
>
>'76 Luv with rear mounted 455" Olds
>'64 El Camino with '96 LT-1 / 6 speed
>50% of '98 Navigator (I pay - she drives <g>)
>mailto:kawtu2@flash.net
>personal homepages at http://www.flash.net/~kawtu2/
>
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:38:55 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Getting OFF the list (+ other stuff)

For the rude guy that wants to unsubscribe.  I say we keep subscribing him
just
to piss him off.  Lets subscribe him to every list we can find.

>LOL, spent 6 months doing United Nations border patrols
>in Macedonia.  Just south of Serbia and north of Greece and
>one of the countries that came out of Yugoslavia.  They ~still~
>make Yugo's there in 2dr, 4dr, and convertible's!  You ain't seen
>nothing until you've seen a slammed Yugo with ground effects,
>tinted window's, 5 spokes, and a rear wing.

Okay.  To make something clear.  NO MORE BASHING YUGOs.  I don't want any
flame to start about how bad this car is because it was NEVER made for US
market and was a mistake to bring it.  Yugo was not that bad for Yugoslavia.
Small car=Small streets.  Cheap to make=Not so Cheap to buy, etc.

I learned how to drive on a Yugo (when I was 10) with a 5-speed.  Also drove
my dads Fiat and another GOLF.  In any case, Yugo was okay.  The one sold in
US was a domestic version slapped together to meet US emissions standards.
There was many surplus US bound Yugos that never made it to US that no-one
wanted to buy because of the retrofits.  Less power, more fuel, troublesome.
Remember what I said about miles in Europe.  Not much, so they last okay.
Bashing of Trabants is OKAY buy me as I got a ride in one and it was really
cool actually.

>Did you know there
>is even an earlier generation of Yugo's?

Yeah, but it is not much different then the US one except different
tail-lights, a little different interior, but that is about it.  I am not
sure which Yugo got sold in US (I think it was the 45 version (that is
45HP and 4-speed)).  In Yugoslavia you could later get a Yugo 55 and 65
(both 5-speed).  The 65 were
too dangerous to drive because apparently they had way too much power for
the cars cornering abilities.  The car is tall and skinny which makes it not
very stable in corners.

The Yugo we know here is a original Yugo, a model name not company name.
After that, the company that was called Crvena Zastava (Red Flag) decided to
rename itself Yugo.  That is how come you get a bunch of different cars all
from Yugo.
Its like as if OLDS renamed itself Cutlass.  They probably did it for easier
ID abroad.

If you spent time in Macedonia, then you must have seen a car called "FICA".
This is a derivative of the OLD OLD Fiat 600.  Those were cool.  Gas tank up
front, room for 1, motor in rear, total car smaller then a gas tank on my
Delta.  Did
you know that after those cars went out of production, a Turkish company
tried to buy a license from Zastava (Yugo) factory but they refused to sell.
IDIOTS.  They could have taken revenge on the Turks for the 600 years of
oppression by selling them this car.  Think of how many accidents (deadly
ones) they would have been involved in.  Those cars, were, truly remarkable.
So simple, so small, so crappy.

Of course I was cruising
>town in a huge white Hummer with tinted windows, a "Dukes of
>Hazzard" Dixie horn, and some discreetly painted shark teeth on
>the front.  Tank units were so much fun!


Good Luck parking in Belgrade.  You could use a Yugo for a hood ornament no
poblem (with the 5-spokes and all).

P.S.  In the end, I would like to say that I would like to find a Yugo to
restore.  I think one of those would be nice to have here.  Certainly not
the same as "everyone has one" Civic with 4" tail pipe.  A Yugo 65 with a
few mods could be brought to 110 HP or so and a little car like that
(5-speed and WELL geared) would really kicks some Honda butt.  That would be
a site.

Olds content:  A Yugo can fit into the trunk of my '81 Delta and would
probably help it with traction.

Also, I have been trying to send this message three times now and it is not
appearing.  WHY could that be.  I used a different Subject each time and
this time I did not want to mention Yugo in it.  What?

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:44:22 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: TEST

Just testing.  Some of my messages that involve words Yugo and Yugoslavia
don't seem to get delivered.

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:56:06 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Geees finally someone local to me.

Hey Darren

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454

> From: Darren King <KingD@sx.com>
> 
> Darren King
> Systems Admin
> Caledonia, Ontario, Canada
> 
> 1979 Cutlass Salon
> 1986 Custom Cruiser
> 1979 Firebird mutation
> 1988 S10 4x4

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:40:40 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Resto $$

In a message dated 2/17/99 1:13:58 PM EST, PETTRIX@prodigy.net writes:

<< All for $3200  labor only(parts not included)
 
 A good price??? >>

Yes, a great price. When are you coming to do my car?

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:01:34 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

This one is good to know If i am ever caught speeding through Texas

Please try to remember my name Terry

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454

> From: Edmund Terry Fiene <kawtu2@flash.net>
> Terry Fiene
> Chief of Police
> River Oaks, TX
> 
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:54:51 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Resto $$

> Would the following price be fair for a LABOR (parts not included) only
> restoration??
> 
<snip of desc>
> Car is now in "show" condition where I believe it can easily win best
> paint,etc...
> And other misc. items I can't remember now
> 
> All for $3200  labor only(parts not included)
> 
> A good price???
> 
In a word ..... YES!
(Not to start another "my paint job cost $XXXX" war like last time but ...)

This is kinda subjective especially with the cost of living and a LOT of
assumptions are being made, ie how many dents to be straightened.  Any panel
replacement (yes I read parts aren't included, but the panel won't replace
itself.  Your resto guy will be doing it, which means labor costs increase)
Changing the color of the car and you don't want ANY signs of the old color
(labor costs increase).  And then there's the level of restoration.  Driver,
show car, concours driver, trailer queen.  Since you stated
> Car is now in "show" condition where I believe it can easily win best
> paint,etc...
> 
I'm assuming it will also win Best Engine (ie labor costs for painting and
detailing) Best Interior (labor costs for recovering seats, installing
headliner, etc)  and then the killer, Best of Show.  You are usually paying
for someone's 'expertise' when he 'restores' your car.  If you are going the
Best of Show route, the restorer better damn well know that the different
brake and fuel line clips are certain colors and the correct finish on ALL
the little parts (nuts, bolts, clips, etc), that the driveshaft is supposed
to have three different color stripes approx 3 inches from the front
u-joint, etc.  This is where your costs go through the roof.  So in my
limited knowledge this price seems very low.  Especially since the thread
about show quality paint jobs costing in the $3K-$4K range.  But like I said
it's subjective and opinion only.

Peter, since you are in the Chicago area, I'm gonna assume this is your car
we're talking here and some shop in the area.  Which one and where as I'd
like to check them out?  I've talked with Bob Banker at Old Coach Works
Restorations in Yorkville.

(All statements in this post are observation only and do not reflect
ANYTHING other than my personal experience with this list, other
individuals, some resto shops, other car owners who've I spoke with at
shows, etc, etc, etc.  you get the idea)

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:57:28 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Roll Call

> This one is good to know If i am ever caught speeding through Texas
> 
Like on our way to Nats :-)

> Please try to remember my name Terry
> 
> Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
> Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454
> 
> > From: Edmund Terry Fiene <kawtu2@flash.net>
> > Terry Fiene
> > Chief of Police
> > River Oaks, TX
> 
> 
Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:59:16 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Foreign cars

For the rude guy that wants to unsubscribe. (from MAIL LIST)  I say we keep
subscribing him
just
to piss him off.  Lets subscribe him to every list we can find.

>LOL, spent 6 months doing United Nations border patrols
>in Macedonia.  Just south of Serbia and north of Greece and
>one of the countries that came out of Yugoslavia.  They ~still~
>make Yugo's there in 2dr, 4dr, and convertible's!  You ain't seen
>nothing until you've seen a slammed Yugo with ground effects,
>tinted window's, 5 spokes, and a rear wing.

Okay.  To make something clear.  NO MORE BASHING YUGOs.  I don't want any
flame to start about how bad this car is because it was NEVER made for US
market and was a mistake to bring it.  Yugo was not that bad for Yugoslavia.
Small car=Small streets.  Cheap to make=Not so Cheap to buy, etc.

I learned how to drive on a Yugo (when I was 10) with a 5-speed.  Also drove
my dads Fiat and another GOLF.  In any case, Yugo was okay.  The one sold in
US was a domestic version slapped together to meet US emissions standards.
There was many surplus US bound Yugos that never made it to US that no-one
wanted to buy because of the retrofits.  Less power, more fuel, troublesome.
Remember what I said about miles in Europe.  Not much, so they last okay.
Bashing of Trabants is OKAY buy me as I got a ride in one and it was really
cool actually.

>Did you know there
>is even an earlier generation of Yugo's?

Yeah, but it is not much different then the US one except different
tail-lights, a little different interior, but that is about it.  I am not
sure which Yugo got sold in US (I think it was the 45 version (that is
45HP and 4-speed)).  In Yugoslavia you could later get a Yugo 55 and 65
(both 5-speed).  The 65 were
too dangerous to drive because apparently they had way too much power for
the cars cornering abilities.  The car is tall and skinny which makes it not
very stable in corners.

The Yugo we know here is a original Yugo, a model name not company name.
After that, the company that was called Crvena Zastava (Red Flag) decided to
rename itself Yugo.  That is how come you get a bunch of different cars all
from Yugo.
Its like as if OLDS renamed itself Cutlass.  They probably did it for easier
ID abroad.

If you spent time in Macedonia, then you must have seen a car called "FICA".
This is a derivative of the OLD OLD Fiat 600.  Those were cool.  Gas tank up
front, room for 1, motor in rear, total car smaller then a gas tank on my
Delta.  Did
you know that after those cars went out of production, a Turkish company
tried to buy a license from Zastava (Yugo) factory but they refused to sell.
IDIOTS.  They could have taken revenge on the Turks for the 600 years of
oppression by selling them this car.  Think of how many accidents (deadly
ones) they would have been involved in.  Those cars, were, truly remarkable.
So simple, so small, so crappy.

Of course I was cruising
>town in a huge white Hummer with tinted windows, a "Dukes of
>Hazzard" Dixie horn, and some discreetly painted shark teeth on
>the front.  Tank units were so much fun!


Good Luck parking in Belgrade.  You could use a Yugo for a hood ornament no
poblem (with the 5-spokes and all).

P.S.  In the end, I would like to say that I would like to find a Yugo to
restore.  I think one of those would be nice to have here.  Certainly not
the same as "everyone has one" Civic with 4" tail pipe.  A Yugo 65 with a
few mods could be brought to 110 HP or so and a little car like that
(5-speed and WELL geared) would really kicks some Honda butt.  That would be
a site.

Olds content:  A Yugo can fit into the trunk of my '81 Delta and would
probably help it with traction.

Also, I have been trying to send this message four times now and it is not
appearing.  WHY could that be.  I used a different Subject each time and
this time I did not want to mention Yugo in it.  What?  Is there some kind
of "censorship" on this list about stuff like that.  I doubt that this
message will get through.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:09:40 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: 76 Luv pickup w/455 rear engine

From Role Call

Terry Fiene
Chief of Police
River Oaks, TX

'76 Luv with rear mounted 455" Olds  WOW!!!!!
'64 El Camino with '96 LT-1 / 6 speed
50% of '98 Navigator (I pay - she drives <g>)
mailto:kawtu2@flash.net
personal homepages at http://www.flash.net/~kawtu2/

You have to send me a pic of that one for my webpage, what a hot ride!!
  http://members.aol.com/magsurv/

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:12:36 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: 68-72+ 455 headers

> Okay, I did not ask this privately because I can't buy from you due to
> high
> shipping costs to Canada.  BUT, my question is this:  WILL they fit into
> the
> 77 (I guess not, huh).  IF they don't, what do you guess would have to be
> 
Igor,
Yes they into the 77 LeSabre chassis.  My brother put the motor together.
Swapped out the original 350 R code and dropped in the 455.  Performer
series cam and lifters, timing chain, intake, open element air cleaner,
accel HEI coil.  And the blackjack headers fit.  Required some 'massaging'
to clear starter, steering shaft and other 'normal' items.  I say normal
because all cars are different with how exhaust systems fit, but the headers
fit, I was surprised myself.  The rest of the exhaust was Midas pipes and
new dual cats.  I drove the car like this once or twice myself, felt like it
just wanted to take off.  He had to get an emissions test done afterwards
too.  It was 1992 and in IL, passed no problems.  We've since swapped motors
back a couple years ago and the 455 as of last summer is now in my W-31,
till the original motor gets rebuilt.  Does that clear it up for ya?

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:12:41 EST
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

OK, but just this once!

I, (me) am Karl Aune.
(and no other)

My source of communication is the Maelstrom.
Currently a P200MMX with SCSI CDROM and dual HDD that I (me) constructed
myself. It currently resides in the case of the 386 that it replaced.

Karl (I) [me] works for Pollution Control Industries of Indiana as a "Fuels
Chemist" (third shift). {yah, hazardous waste}

For the first time in a long while, third shift is very productive (now).

Karl (I) [me], operates a 1965 Dynamic 88 Celebrity Sedan as a daily driver.
It is 425cid, 2bbl, 10:25:1 comp, sing exh, no A/C, AM radio.
Bone stock.
Soon: Duals, Q-jet, correct 1965 AM/FM.
Possibly variable lifters.

B.S. in Chemistry, (nearly M.S., long story)
Student loans prohibit some car parts.
in meantime host the only Rochester web site known to me.

http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/thurlow/858/index.html

Keep Oldsmobiling!

SOM

&KA

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:17:22 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Yugo

>LOL, spent 6 months doing United Nations border patrols
>in Macedonia.  Just south of Serbia and north of Greece and
>one of the countries that came out of Yugoslavia.  They ~still~
>make Yugo's there in 2dr, 4dr, and convertible's!  You ain't seen
>nothing until you've seen a slammed Yugo with ground effects,
>tinted window's, 5 spokes, and a rear wing.

Okay.  To make something clear.  NO MORE BASHING YUGOs.  I don't want any
flame to start about how bad this car is because it was NEVER made for US
market and was a mistake to bring it.  Yugo was not that bad for Yugoslavia.
Small car=Small streets.  Cheap to make=Not so Cheap to buy, etc.

I learned how to drive on a Yugo (when I was 10) with a 5-speed.  Also drove
my dads Fiat and another GOLF.  In any case, Yugo was okay.  The one sold in
US was a domestic version slapped together to meet US emissions standards.
There was many surplus US bound Yugos that never made it to US that no-one
wanted to buy because of the retrofits.  Less power, more fuel, troublesome.
Remember what I said about miles in Europe.  Not much, so they last okay.
Bashing of Trabants is OKAY buy me as I got a ride in one and it was really
cool actually.

>Did you know there
>is even an earlier generation of Yugo's?

Yeah, but it is not much different then the US one except different
tail-lights, a little different interior, but that is about it.  I am not
sure which Yugo got sold in US (I think it was the 45 version (that is
45HP and 4-speed)).  In Yugoslavia you could later get a Yugo 55 and 65
(both 5-speed).  The 65 were
too dangerous to drive because apparently they had way too much power for
the cars cornering abilities.  The car is tall and skinny which makes it not
very stable in corners.

The Yugo we know here is a original Yugo, a model name not company name.
After that, the company that was called Crvena Zastava (Red Flag) decided to
rename itself Yugo.  That is how come you get a bunch of different cars all
from Yugo.
Its like as if OLDS renamed itself Cutlass.  They probably did it for easier
ID abroad.

If you spent time in Macedonia, then you must have seen a car called "FICA".
This is a derivative of the OLD OLD Fiat 600.  Those were cool.  Gas tank up
front, room for 1, motor in rear, total car smaller then a gas tank on my
Delta.  Did
you know that after those cars went out of production, a Turkish company
tried to buy a license from Zastava (Yugo) factory but they refused to sell.
IDIOTS.  They could have taken revenge on the Turks for the 600 years of
oppression by selling them this car.  Think of how many accidents (deadly
ones) they would have been involved in. Just JOKING, of course.  It just
that those cars were really junky in accidents.  Those cars, were, truly
remarkable.
So simple, so small, so crappy.

Of course I was cruising
>town in a huge white Hummer with tinted windows, a "Dukes of
>Hazzard" Dixie horn, and some discreetly painted shark teeth on
>the front.  Tank units were so much fun!


Good Luck parking in Belgrade.  You could use a Yugo for a hood ornament no
poblem (with the 5-spokes and all).

P.S.  In the end, I would like to say that I would like to find a Yugo to
restore.  I think one of those would be nice to have here.  Certainly not
the same as "everyone has one" Civic with 4" tail pipe.  A Yugo 65 with a
few mods could be brought to 110 HP or so and a little car like that
(5-speed and WELL geared) would really kicks some Honda butt.  That would be
a site.

Olds content:  A Yugo can fit into the trunk of my '81 Delta and would
probably help it with traction.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:13:18 -0800
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re: POR-15  /  Roll Call

>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 09:11:59 EST
>From: Zitoj@aol.com
>Subject: Re: POR-15

>I can't speak to  the use of POR-15 on the frame. I have used some of the
>silver on some rust on my rice burning parts hauler (Niss P/U) where I put
it
>on the bed, about 4-6 months ago, it had discolored but still seems to be
>intact.

>Jim
>69 442 conv

I missed the initial thread here, but I used P.O.R 15 on all of my chassis
parts.  I first oven baked them, then steel shot cleaned them, then removed
any dust.  And applied usually 2 coats of Basic P.O.R. 15, and then 2 coats
of their "Chassis Black" (Semi-Flat) on top of that.  The Basic P.O.R. 15 is
UV sensitive and will discolor if not painted over.  I used this on all my
ctrl arms, frame, suspension components, firewall, undercarriage.  This is
great stuff.  A friend asked how durable it was, I had just finished a front
sway bar (from my '70 Olds) the day before and hit the sucker hard with a
ball peen hammer half a dozen times and the paint didn't crack.  It's very
durable paint, and as far as I can tell works very well (as long as you top
coat it).  With any paint make sure you wear a filter mask.

I applied it to some of the rust on my Honda fender when In NY.  it's
acronym states Paint Over Rust, which it won't really help in the spreading
of, but it did cover it up and withstand a few winters well.


Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX
3D/CAD/Solid Model Mechanical Designer
Age: 28

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:21:17 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 68-72+ 455 headers

>Does that clear it up for ya?

Yup, thanks a lot.  They were BB BlackJack headers for a '72 Cutlass, right.
Also, was there a big power improvement?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:34:08 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: 68-72+ 455 headers

> Yup, thanks a lot.  They were BB BlackJack headers for a '72 Cutlass,
> right.
Yep.  Although they'd probably fix other year 455 as well
> Also, was there a big power improvement?
Don't know.  We bought a mostly complete 72 455 in a supreme from a
junkyard, rebuilt it, put it and the headers in the car, replaced the 350
and away we go.  So obviously there was an improvement from the 350 to 455,
but I never ran the motor with manifolds, then headers to compare.  I
_suppose_ I could try that with my W-31, as the original manifolds are on it
now.  BUT, that's not really something I want to do.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 11:38:41 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brighter lights?

> Be careful if you replace all 4 headlights with halogen units, they
> draw a lot of juice and the headlight switch has a built in 
> "feature" that will cut off the current if it thinks it has a short.

??? That doesn't sound right. As I understand it, halogens consume
slightly _less_ power than tungsten lights, not more. If the circuit
breaker in the headlight switch is triggering, there's a short 
somewhere.

> We replaced all 4 headlights with halogen ones on our car and the
> lights would flash on/of at about 4 second intervals.

Definitely a problem, but not, I think, due to your simply plugging in
four GE halogens from K mart. I've done this upgrade on countless cars
and simply never overloaded the circuit breaker, ever. I would guess
that whatever you replaced was not drawing as much as the new stuff
and therefore not aggravating whatever the problem was in the wiring,
or (less likely) your physically disturbing the wiring and sockets
while installing the new lamps damaged something.

> A relay for the inner lights cured it.

Interesting, because the inner and outer lights both come on for
high beams; they're wired in parallel. Maybe your new relay wiring
is now bypassing a damaged area in the old wires.

- -- Andy


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:38:54 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

I guess I?ll join in.

Lou Principe
Plainsboro, NJ (Near Princeton)
Systems Support Manager for PNC Private Bank
43 years young

I'm also Addicted to Muscle Cars.  My first car was a 69 442 when I was 17.
During what I guess you could say was or is my mid-life crisis, I had to have
another muscle car and now I have another 69 442.  However this one is a W-30
with a 4 speed and 3.91 posi.  Drove it home in December and have only had it
out a few times when we had some nice weather.  I can?t wait for Spring.  

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:55:09 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Wheel well chrome

I would ask for assistance from anyone with Wheel Well Chrome

I have 3 NOS Pieces of Wheel Well Chrome Part number #8702870
I need to know What side they are for.

I am unable (or unwilling) to dig them out to check.
S if you know please pass the info. on

Thank you

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:47:28 -0600
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Brighter lights?

I've been running four halogens for a few years with no problems on the
stock switch.  I'm looking for a source for Cibie's mega-watt high beams...
- -greg

- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew C. Green <acg_o@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: Brighter lights?


>> Be careful if you replace all 4 headlights with halogen units, they
>> draw a lot of juice and the headlight switch has a built in
>> "feature" that will cut off the current if it thinks it has a short.
>
>??? That doesn't sound right. As I understand it, halogens consume
>slightly _less_ power than tungsten lights, not more. If the circuit
>breaker in the headlight switch is triggering, there's a short
>somewhere.
>
>> We replaced all 4 headlights with halogen ones on our car and the
>> lights would flash on/of at about 4 second intervals.
>
>Definitely a problem, but not, I think, due to your simply plugging in
>four GE halogens from K mart. I've done this upgrade on countless cars
>and simply never overloaded the circuit breaker, ever. I would guess
>that whatever you replaced was not drawing as much as the new stuff
>and therefore not aggravating whatever the problem was in the wiring,
>or (less likely) your physically disturbing the wiring and sockets
>while installing the new lamps damaged something.
>
>> A relay for the inner lights cured it.
>
>Interesting, because the inner and outer lights both come on for
>high beams; they're wired in parallel. Maybe your new relay wiring
>is now bypassing a damaged area in the old wires.
>
>-- Andy
>
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:55:42 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Brighter lights?

"Andrew C. Green" wrote:
> 
> > Be careful if you replace all 4 headlights with halogen units, they
> > draw a lot of juice and the headlight switch has a built in
> > "feature" that will cut off the current if it thinks it has a short.
> 
> ??? That doesn't sound right. As I understand it, halogens consume
> slightly _less_ power than tungsten lights, not more. If the circuit
> breaker in the headlight switch is triggering, there's a short
> somewhere.

Well, I assumed that they were drawing more power and I know the relay fixed it
but if the halogens draw less then I don't know why it worked.  I'm just glad
it did.  Do all halogens draw less juice then stock or are there much brighter
than stock halogens that consume more power?  I believe 2 where Hella's and 2
were Bosch's but I don't know what the amperage or wattage ratings were.  We
installed them about 10 years ago so they are probably different than what's on
the market now.

I'm sorry if I led someone astray, I just always assumed that the ones we put
in our car drew more current.  Sorry Joe.

> <snip>
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:56:30 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: FS 66-69 Cutlass/4-4-2 parts

> -From a 66 Cutlass, passenger taillight assembly, includes everything but
> the light bulb, asking $40
> 
> -From a 66 Cutlass, backup lamp assemblies, one lens has a scratch, asking
> $40
> 
> -From a 67 Supreme, complete taillight lens set, includes everything but
> the exterior chrome pieces, asking $60
> 
> -For a 68-9 W-machine, lower ram air hose clamps, the clamps that hold the
> hose to the bumper scoop, $18 pair
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris Smetana
> Terre Haute, IN
> http://www.abcs.com/chris/
> 
> 1969 W-31
> 1969 4-4-2 parts car
> plus others
> 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:01:21 +0200
From: Frans Raulo <Frans.Raulo@fraulo.pp.fi>
Subject: RE: roll call

Frans Raulo
Student, automotive engineering
Helsinki, Finland, in Europe as you all know :)

64 Cutlass conv.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:13:33 -0500
From: CCAC Network User cgc74 <cgc74@unix1.ccac.edu>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

I guess I'll put my two cents in...
Chris Carlson
Pittsburgh, PA
Part Time- CADD Operator/GIS Technician
Full Time(or at least that's what my schedule says)- Engineering student
Full Time- Oldsmaholic
Currently Oldsless :-( Hope to change that REAL soon! until then I'm
stuck driving a 1990 Buick Century given to me free by my mom.


OldsRokkit@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Just curious...how many Oldsmobilers do we have here, where y'all from, and
> what do you do to pay the restoration/gas/insurance/tire bills?  I'll start:
> 
> Drew A. Durigan
> Hays, Kansas
> Midday personality on Mix103FM, one of three co-owned Radio, Inc. stations
> here in Western Kansas.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 13:16:43 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Oil Pressure Gauge Problems (copper)

I have a problem with my oil-pressure gauge.  It leaks like nuts out of the
sending hole (above Water Pump).  I am using plastic tubing, but no matter
how I do it or what screw I use, it keeps leaking.  I was told that copper
line would be much, MUCH better and that it would stop the leak.  Is this
true.  If so, I am going to do it because it made a mess of my new engine.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:26:42 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure Gauge Problems (copper)

In a message dated 2/17/99 12:17:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, igor455@home.com
writes:

<< I have a problem with my oil-pressure gauge.  It leaks like nuts out of the
 sending hole (above Water Pump).  I am using plastic tubing, but no matter
 how I do it or what screw I use, it keeps leaking.  I was told that copper
 line would be much, MUCH better and that it would stop the leak.  Is this
 true.  If so, I am going to do it because it made a mess of my new engine. >>

       Igor,  mine has an adapter screwed into the block (probably brass,
maybe steel) and then a section of steel tubing, like brake line, that the
sender is screwed into. I used teflon tape at the joints, but the setup was
the same when I bought the motor. How are you using plastic tubing? Is this an
aftermarket gauge? If so, then my setup won't work. I personally don't trust
that plastic line...I've seen it break under the dash, and it was NOT pretty!
Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:37:26 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: My Turn (Roll Call)

I suppose I better join in!


I am Tony Waldner.  I am 39, married, 3 kids, dog, and 3 fish.  I have been
heavy into Oldsmobiles all of my life.  My father alwyays owned them so
they were always my favorite.  I enjoy all cars, especially muscle cars.  I
was into 88's before I had any Cutlasses, so they are dear to my heart.

I am an auto tech instructor in St.Paul, MN. Before that I managed a huge
salvage yard that I still work at part time in the summer.  This is where
many of my cars came from. Customers would either call looking for parts,
or pull into the lot and I would chat about their car and usually ended up
buying it! I bought a W-33 Delta 88, Rallye 350, 2 442's, W-31, and tons of
parts cars this way. My Toro GT and my 84 Hurst Olds were also purchased
this way!

I am also very heavy into fast boats.  I have a flat-bottom drag boat with
a 455 tunnel ram w/2 600 Holleys coupled to a 200R4 trans and v-drive set
up.  105 MPH on water is a rush! I have a 455 Jet boat and a "family"
cruiser powered by a 454 Chevy.

Cars I own now:

70 442 W-30 post coupe. In family since new. Burnished Gold, black stripes
and interior.  55,000 actual miles, all documentation. unrestored original
down to tires.

70 442 W-30 convert. Matador red, black stripes and interior. Just
completing full resto. No documentation,  I kinda doubt it is a real W-30.

70 Toro GT W-34. All stock maroon, black interior.  A GT without console

65 Jetstar 88 2-door. maroon in and out, 315 H.P. 330. 4-speed car. No
power steering, brakes and radio delete. A unique car to say the least! No
options except HP motor and trans!

84 Hurst/Olds. all stock, needing a resto some day.

85 Cutlass Salon  A former V-6 car that now sports a full race 455, TH 350
and a spooled 3:73 rear end. 12.08 at 108 MPH all day long.

Plus a Caddy STS and a Chevy C-2500 Ex cab for pulling car and boat trailers!

Tony

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:45:39 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN ALERT: More re. Virus

Here are 2 web pages with info on the happy99.exe virus. It doesn't seem
to do any real harm but is a nuisance and should be removed. It sends
itself to anyone you send an email to and then does the same to them. 

These pages tell you what to do to rid yourself of it:
http://www.avp.com/happy/body_happy.html
http://beta.nai.com/public/datafiles/valerts/vinfo/w32ska.htm

Thanks to Mike Coccagna and Cecil Smalley for the info. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:45:05 -0500
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

>in meantime host the only Rochester web site known to me.
>
>http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/thurlow/858/index.html

Um, Karl, wouldn't that be: "the only Rochester web site known to Karl (I)
[me]."?  :-)

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://members.xoom.com/jadcock

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:57:23 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: My Turn (Roll Call)

In a message dated 2/17/99, 3:39:09 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<I am an auto tech instructor in St.Paul, MN. Before that I managed a huge
salvage yard that I still work at part time in the summer.  >>

Northfield?


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 (originally from Apple Valley, MN)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:00:36 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Brighter lights?

In a message dated 2/17/99 2:51:32 PM EST, zimmermangm@email.msn.com writes:

<< I've been running four halogens for a few years with no problems on the
 stock switch.  >>

Ditto

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:55:10 -0500
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Resto $$

        I want to know this guy. That's super cheap! A buddy of mine doing a 67
442 had the under carriage done and the engine bay for $4500 plus parts, and
that does not include the $4500 for the paint and body work. You also added
installing the engine and the under dash wiring. You need to keep this person
as your best friend.

Jim Chermack
66 442 W-30
66 442 Race Car



At 01:25 PM 2/17/99 , you wrote:
>Would the following price be fair for a LABOR (parts not included) only
>restoration??
>
>Take entire car and strip paint to bare metal
>Take off front core support, fenders, doors, hood, trunk, dash, interior
>(shell of car on frame is left)
>Take out front window and reseal it
>Take out entire conv't top assembly and reinstall
>Spray primer and new paint and get the car as STRAIGHT as an arrow
>Paint on W-30 hood and body stripes
>Put back all doors, panels, interior, chrome,etc..
>Re-install all electrical, dash,etc..
>Re-install motor/trans
>Car now has mirror-like straight paint and all doors,trunk, hood has been
>aligned and on the car
>Car is now in "show" condition where I believe it can easily win best
>paint,etc...
>And other misc. items I can't remember now
>
>All for $3200  labor only(parts not included)
>
>A good price???
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:10:20 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: My Turn (Roll Call)

>Northfield?
>
Drew --

Nope,  John's Auto parts in Minneapolis.  You are refering to Viking Auto
Salvage. They are really great guys. A couple of brothers run it name Tony
and Buford Faust.

Tony

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:18:55 EST
From: Zitoj@aol.com
Subject: Re: FS 66-69 Cutlass/4-4-2 parts

Chris,

I saw the ad and was wondering if you had any good sheetmetal off the 69.  I'm
getting ready to jump in and do a frame off on my 442 conv.

Thanks

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:27:45 EST
From: Zitoj@aol.com
Subject: roll call

Hi all,

It's good to be back, was on the list back when I was in Seoul Korea, and I've
been off for a while -- moving back to the states.  Enjoy the banter between
the regulars.

Jim Zito
33 
currenntly US Navy LT
Soon to be looking for work.....anybody know of any openings for an aerospace
engingeering trained, diver with explosive ordnance disposal experience?
69 442 conv
69 Cutlass S parts car.....beaten to crap, rusted body shell free to the first
person who comes to pick it up.

Pick up site: 
Attleboro, MA

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:44:40 -0500
From: White <gwhite@frognet.net>
Subject: Proper Engine Color for an Olds 403 C.I.D. Engine

To Whome it May Concern,
I am currently trying to restore an Oldsmoble 403 C.I.D. engine in a
1979 Pontiac Trans Am.  I want to repaint the engine to original color
but am having difficulty in figuring out what shade of blue was used in
this particular application.  Some references indicate that this engine
should be blue metalic but the original paint still on it's valve covers
is more of a blueish-green.  Any advice?  Any information would be
helpful.
Thank You
Geoff White
gwhite@frognet.net

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:43:55 EST
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Called

Bernie Segebade
 Aircraft Maintenance
New Jersey
 33 Single

86 442
 67 F-85
67 442 Conv
 69 Mach 1
94 Nissan 4x4 SE-V6
 84 Sentra Hatchback

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 14:04:05 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brighter lights?

> Do all halogens draw less juice then stock or are there much 
> brighter than stock halogens that consume more power? 

I'm sure if you put aircraft landing lights on the front, there might
be a problem, but off-the-shelf halogens are fine.

> I believe 2 where Hella's and 2 were Bosch's but I don't know what
> the amperage or wattage ratings were.

We're talking sealed-beam headlamps, not auxiliary driving lamps, right?

> I'm sorry if I led someone astray, I just always assumed that the 
> ones we put in our car drew more current.  Sorry Joe.

*gack*  Wait a minute, I'm not saying you did anything wrong here; 
it's good to use a relay for lighting. I just think it's coincidental 
that the overloading problem went away when the relay was installed. 
While it is true that using the relay will drop the amount of current 
going through the switch, I think your main problem was a short 
somewhere that was bypassed by your new relay installation.

Side note: I've got a twilight sentinel feature on my car that uses a
relay to turn the lights on and off when it wants to bypass the dash
switch. The lights get noticeably brighter when the relay clicks on;
I guess the dash switch contacts aren't as good.

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:20:48 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Roll Call

HERE

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:23:50 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Rip off

Hey Shreve!
Calm down!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:33:31 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: Fighting on the list

Ya, that shouldn't be on the list, so anyone who is bickering should go meet
somewhere and fight.  That would be cool.  Then you can post pictures of
bloddy selves at http://www.442.com/chebucto/fights.html

yeah, now that would be cool.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:18:24 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: EGR (gag!) Q-jets on non-EGR vehicles.

> Suppose one purchased an EGR carb and wanted to drop it into a pre-1973
> vehicle.
> Also suppose one had the correct rods, hangers and jets for the target 
engine.
>
> Does the carb need be adjusted in any way from original (EGR) configuration?
>

I had an EGR 1973 Olds Q-Jet on my non-EGR 1971 Cutlass for awhile.  The only
reason I have a different Q-Jet on now is I wanted one the same year and right
number for my car.  Call it a nostalgia hangup.  Anyway, from disassembling 
both
carbs numerous times, out of sheer boredom, the only differences I found 
between
the two was the EGR port in one of the primaries on the '73 (the EGR valve
receives it's vacuum signal from only one primary just like the distributor 
vacuum
advance gets it' vacuum from just one primary), an HIC on the '71 Q-Jet, no
pull-over enrichment on the '71 Q-jet, and the holes in the primary throttle
blades on the '73 Q-Jet.  I merely went to my trusty collection o' plugs and
plugged off the port.  I also picked up a couple MPG with that carb over my 
stock
2GC.  So, to make a long story even longer, my opinion is that if the internals
mentioned above are correct (don't forget the correct power piston spring) and
float height is correct, no other changes should be necessary.  Humbly awaiting
hearty rebukes.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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