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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, February 19 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1791



Roll Call
Rocket Talk
Re: Bye, for quite some time.
Re: Roll Call
Re: Roll Call
Bye Bob......Re: Bye, for quite some time.
RE: Rocket Talk
Re: Carb Question
Re: Paint Prep (Igor)
my cars
Re: Rocket Talk
RE: Harry's U-Pull It in Hazelton Pennsylvania.
Re: Roll Call
Re: my cars
Re: my cars
Re: Rocket Talk
RE: The Holy Order of Rocketeers needs YOU!
RE: Harry's U-Pull It in Hazelton Pennsylvania.
RE: Rocket Talk
Re: 84 cutlass headlight problems need help
Re: Need FORD TRUCK h*lp please.
Re: My Cutlass has a problem
Hood change?
Re: Roll Call
Re: 307's in 442's
Re: Olds display cabinet
Re: CCC Feedback Quadrajet -- fast idle
Re: Arizona Assistance Please
75 bumpers (was Re: Screen Saver Pics update)
Re: Need dimensions for engine cradle.
Re: The Holy Order of Rocketeers needs YOU!
Re: Hood change?
Re: The Holy Order of Rocketeers needs YOU!
W-30 Production Totals
Roll Call
Re: Need dimensions for engine cradle.
Re: Rocket Talk
1975 Hurst Olds  (4sale)
Re: Roll Call
Re: FS:  '57-'67 Olds Parts
Re: SPRING---Training
455 For Sale.
Re: Screen Saver Pics update
Roll Call
Re: 84 cutlass headlight problems need help
Re: Oil Pressure Gauge Problems (copper)
Re: Roll Call Update.
Re: Roll Call
Re: Hood change?
Re: BAD American Cars
Re: Roll Call
Re: BAD American Cars
Re: Roll Call
Running out of oil
Re: C chamber heads
Re: interior swap
Re: Roll Call - Chris Urban
Re: SPRING---Training
Re: Is '72 455 Cutlass down pipe similar to 455 Buick?
Re: Roll Call
a little paint help needed!!
65 442 parts car
Re: BAD American Cars
A/C setup from 72 442 4sale
Re: Paint Prep (Igor)
re: roll call
PAINT PREP BOOKS
Re: Paint Prep (Igor)
Re: was screen Saver Pics update, now 73-77 cutlass
how to price '64 F-85
Re: PAINT PREP BOOKS
RE: Paint Prep (Igor)

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:58:21 -0500
From: "dave worthington" <oldsranch@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Roll Call

I'm Dave Worthington from the Dayton, Ohio area.  Reynolds+Reynolds
computer geek by day; cursing/spitting/scratching mechanic by night.  Been
into oldsmobiles since 1986, when I bought a blown up 77 Supreme.  The car
that convinced me to buy an olds was a 73 Custom Cruiser that would run
120.  (that car taught me a lot about Newton's laws of motion).  

Stable now includes:

66 cutlass ragtop (resto project)
66 cutlass hardtop (parts car)
69 442 
78 cutlass (parts car)
81 Cutlass DRAV (drag racing/abuse vehicle)
82 cutlass w/307,000 miles (308,000 tomorrow AM)
84 H/O
87 Salon

None of my cars are that well preserved.  If there was a show class for
"Future Parts Cars", I'd be all over it.

Gem City Rockets member since 1990 or so.
OCA member just as long

Quick note:  ron forsee's car kicks *ss.

that's my $0.02, is anyone adding the pennies up?  wish there was a 50/50
raffle for the all the 2 cents people have contributed.

oldsranch@worldnet.att.net
david_worthington@reyrey.com

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:59:40 -0500
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Rocket Talk

Hey everyone,

	How's about some Rocket Talk tonight.

Jim Chermack
66 442 W-30
66 442 Race Car

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:57:46 EST
From: Zitoj@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bye, for quite some time.

Bob,
 
Sorry to hear about your loss if tenure, you;ve always been a great source of
info to the list

Jim
69 442 conv

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:04:15 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Bill Kistner
72 442 conv.  BBC (I've heard it already), Richmond 5speed, 4 Wheel Disc, 
Many more mods.....
Maryland
Tool & Equipment Business

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:13:41 -0500
From: "Mick Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Mick Gillespie, Melbourne, FL
Manufacturing Manager, Aluminum Extrusions.
Age 53 (got you beat Don) :-)
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:13:22 -0800
From: "Tim Wurtz" <tropical@micron.net>
Subject: Bye Bob......Re: Bye, for quite some time.

You will be missed, Thanks for the helpful information in the past.
Take care Tim Wurtz
- -----Original Message-----
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 12:23 PM
Subject: Bye, for quite some time.


>Well, folks, something's come up (tenure denied) that I'm going to have to
>work on overturning in one respect or another. This means I'll be off all
>lists indefinitely, starting immediately.
>
>Hate to leave, but it's a matter of survival.
>________________________________________________
>Bob Barry      MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
>http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:17:46 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Rocket Talk

yeah, where is it?  Tupper's page or something?

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of J Chermack/C&M
Classic Parts
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:00 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Rocket Talk


Hey everyone,

	How's about some Rocket Talk tonight.

Jim Chermack
66 442 W-30
66 442 Race Car

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:16:31 -0800
From: "Tim Wurtz" <tropical@micron.net>
Subject: Re: Carb Question

A 750c.f.m. is a little too much for a stock 350, Don't put it on. I would
lean on about a 600 c.f.m. for cruising and low end torque. Tim
- -----Original Message-----
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
To: OldsML <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 2:08 PM
Subject: Carb Question


>
>Hi Olds-Listers!
>
>A buddy gave me his older (about 5 jears old) 4 bbl Edelbrock carb. It is
>NOT a performer series. It seems to be a Rochester as far as I can guess.
>It is mostly brass color with a bolted on Edelbrock tag. He sais it is a
>750cfm. Anybody can tell me what kind of carb this may be? Where can I
>get more info about this carb?
>
>Would you put this on a 350 (all stock except intake)? It seems to be in
>very good shape and he ran it without probs until last week on his BB
>chebby.
>
>Thanks, George
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>'68 Cuttlass S Conv.
>http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:26:18 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Paint Prep (Igor)

>Igor, I've previously looked at the pics of your Delta (NICE JOB!), and I
>have a question, prefaced by a short intro...

>QUESTION: Did you do the prep work for your Delta's paint job yourself?  If
>so, what's involved?  I know you did a color change, how good does it look
>in relation to the amount of prep work that was done?

Most of the work, but not all.  There was 6 inches on new metal added to the
passenger door on the bottom and I did not do that.  Hood induction I did
some, but most was done by the body shop.  I did sand the entire car, remove
the rust (sandblast), and do some bondo work.  When I took it in, they did a
bunch more bondo work and then primed the car.  They also sanded the entire
car by hand (primer) and then did one more coat.  Sand that (also by hand)
and then 3 coats of color and two of clear.   It came out good.  There are a
couple small spots that if you look you can see.  Overall it looks brand
new.

>Would not a color
>change involve removing a good portion of the interior (not necessarily the
>carpet, I guess, because you can't see that, but...)

Yeah, if you want it right.  I did that all myself.  One day to take it
apart, one to put it back together.  Also for the door jams, I had to remove
the doors, sand them (inside) and the car.  After the paint job, the body
shop reinstalled the doors.

>If I was going to do the prep myself (which, even though I havn't discussed
>it with a body shop, would be the only way I could afford it) I would
>assume I would have to remove the bumpers, head and tail lights, body
>rubbing, emblems, chrome stripping, grilles...?  I would also need to
>smoothe out a coupe of minor dents - I assume I would do this with bondo?


Did all that my self.  One day to remove and one to put back on.  (at least)

>I have a multitide of "Delta 88", "Oldsmobile", "Royale", "Brougham", etc.
>emblems from junkyards...the problem is that while the chrome looking parts
>of the emblem looks fine, the black backing is sometimes (almost always)
>varied in thickness, given that the emblems were ripped off of cars, and
>some of the backing stayed on the car.  How should this problem be
>addressed, if at all?


I decided not to bup emblems back on.  Wanted to keep the car clean looking
but the main reason is that my emblems were junk.  I also painted the trunk,
for which I had to remove and reinstall it (as well as sand it).

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:26:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Psychotic redhead <ellwit@yahoo.com>
Subject: my cars

hello, 
i am the owner of 2 olds and i was wondering how to get some numbers
on them such as the production numbers and what production numbers
they are as well as the number of owners each has had. any one have a
good person to restore a scissor top? kehe? thanks





==



                                     --  Psychotic Redhead   
                                        :P + :) 


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:28:20 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket Talk

Jim;
Where's that, tried it once and didn't get anything
Lou

- ----------
> From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Rocket Talk
> Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 7:59 PM
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> 	How's about some Rocket Talk tonight.
> 
> Jim Chermack
> 66 442 W-30
> 66 442 Race Car

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:26:57 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Harry's U-Pull It in Hazelton Pennsylvania.

Just curious. What does Harry have all these cars propped up on? With
1,000's of cars off the ground, what are they all on that makes the car
underside available to remove anything you want. Bet his Insurance agent has
nightmares.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's
Route-1, Box-615
Purling, NY 12470

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:30:00 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Mick;
Me too but not by much
Lou
- ----------
> From: Mick Gillespie <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Roll Call
> Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 8:13 PM
> 
> Mick Gillespie, Melbourne, FL
> Manufacturing Manager, Aluminum Extrusions.
> Age 53 (got you beat Don) :-)
> 69 Cutlass Conv.
> 80 Toronado Brougham
> mgillespie@sprynet.com
> http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:29:47 EST
From: CARMAN442@aol.com
Subject: Re: my cars

  What kind of cars do you have?

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:36:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Psychotic redhead <ellwit@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: my cars

helllo, 
i have a delta 88 183 convertible, 350 V8 2brl and a 1974 delta 98 4
door hard top 455 4brl V8
they are fun, the convertible needs helpthe most 
the other one is in great condition, 





- ---CARMAN442@aol.com wrote:
>
>   What kind of cars do you have?
> 

==



                                     --  Psychotic Redhead   
                                        :P + :) 


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:39:28 -0500
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket Talk

Everyone

        Go to <http://www.lyrea.com/~buehner/oldschat.htm>

Jim Chermack

At 09:28 PM 2/18/99 , you wrote:
>Jim;
>Where's that, tried it once and didn't get anything
>Lou
>
>----------
>> From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Rocket Talk
>> Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 7:59 PM
>> 
>> Hey everyone,
>> 
>>      How's about some Rocket Talk tonight.
>> 
>> Jim Chermack
>> 66 442 W-30
>> 66 442 Race Car

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 03:04:14 -0600
From: "Charles A. Dempsey" <cdemps@lsumc.edu>
Subject: RE: The Holy Order of Rocketeers needs YOU!

KarlAunan@aol.com wrote:

> Sounds like a perfect candidate!
> The Holy Order of Rocketeers (THOR) is in need of able, experienced 
> bodies for "shock troops" !

OK, as long as the acronym isn't "HORES" then count me in. 

(WTF, count me in anyway :-).

> And you should ~see~ the Vista Cruisers we will be using as 
> transports!

The Vista Cruiser ('71 with a 455 and AC!) is warmed up and ready to go.
If the invasion can wait a couple of weeks I'll have time to install the
W-30 cam, HEI, Edelbrock Torquer and the SS IIs.

Charles

'71 VC and others

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:46:18 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Harry's U-Pull It in Hazelton Pennsylvania.

They're all sitting on steel wheels, as in the frames are resting on bare
"rims".  It looks like you could push the cars off of them, and you probably
could actually...The place kicks ass!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Gary Couse
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:27 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: Harry's U-Pull It in Hazelton Pennsylvania.


Just curious. What does Harry have all these cars propped up on? With
1,000's of cars off the ground, what are they all on that makes the car
underside available to remove anything you want. Bet his Insurance agent has
nightmares.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's
Route-1, Box-615
Purling, NY 12470

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:48:08 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Rocket Talk

My computer locked up on it and I had to reboot.  The screen was real
jittery.  Damn it!  Time to reformat, see ya'll after the weekend...

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Lou Biggs
Sent: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:28 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Rocket Talk


Jim;
Where's that, tried it once and didn't get anything
Lou

- ----------
> From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Rocket Talk
> Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 7:59 PM
>
> Hey everyone,
>
> 	How's about some Rocket Talk tonight.
>
> Jim Chermack
> 66 442 W-30
> 66 442 Race Car

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:48:50 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 84 cutlass headlight problems need help

> my dash light, headlights, parking lights are not working.
> The turn signals, 4ways and brake lights work fine.

(Didn't we just do this one a couple days ago?)

Pull the fuses for taillights or whatever else is dead; any one fuse 
will do. One of the two contacts in the fuse socket should be hot. If 
so, problem is between the fusebox and dashboard switch (since I think 
you said the switch is not getting juice). If it's not, problem is 
between the fusebox and battery (or at least, someplace under the hood). 
You might want to check the bulkhead connector in the firewall where all 
the wiring goes through from the engine to the dash. Maybe rain's 
getting in it under the hood. I forget how it goes together (I've never 
had a problem with one) but I think there's a bolt through the middle 
which holds the plugs together on either side of the firewall. Maybe try 
opening that up and see if everything's clean.

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:55:24 -0500
From: EJ <oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: Need FORD TRUCK h*lp please.

"Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com> wrote:

Is there a Ford truck list that anyone knows of?  I'd like to help out a
friend, so if anyone knows of a list, please let me know.  Thanks a lot.

- ----------------------------------------------------

This should do the trick........

http://www.ford-trucks.com/

EJ


- -- 
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On digest where availabile, not regular mail
http://members.tripod.com/Olds_luvr/photoalbum/photoalbum/index.html
E-Mail: oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net
                               The "Fleet"
1979 Pontiac "Olds organ donor" Trans Am T-tops Rebuilt Olds 6.6L 403 
     4bbl-TH350 Performer Cam and Intake.....going into the Calais
     For Sale. 
1984 Olds Cutlass Calais T-Tops 5.0L 307 4bbl-TH350-2.14 gears K+N.....
     soon to be 6.6L 403 4bbl, and hopefully some better "rear" gears
1985 Olds Toronado 5.0L 307 4bbl-AOD(newly acquired Sept. 98). 
1992 Lincoln Mark VII LSC Moonroof 5.0L 302 EFI HO-AOD-3.27 gears
     inner fender baffle removed-K+N.
1992 Ford F-250 Reg-Cab 4WD 7.5L 460 EFI-E4OD Auto-3.55 gears.
     3-inch converter-dual outlet flowmaster 3 chamber.
     Complete K+N(no more factory air-box)-ADS Super Chip-Spitfires-
     Accel Super Coil-Cap-Rotor & 8.8 wires.
1994 Toyota Camry Sedan 4-banger-(Wow we could have had a V6!)-"mili
     -liter"-AOD. K+N (why did I even bother, still a slug!) 
     My SO's rider

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:54:36 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: My Cutlass has a problem

> The noise is a high pitched squeal like a belt but unfortunately I
> checked them and they are fine.  The noise really starts at about 
> 2700rpm and it gets progressively worse.

And just how do you check them at 2700 rpm?  :-)

Sure sounds like belt squeal to me. Is something loading up at
2700 rpm that's easier to turn at idle? Power steering? A/C
compressor? Alternator? Can you turn any pulley by hand when
it's stopped? Is any one belt riding noticeably lower in the
pulleys than the others? Can't think of anything else...

- -- Andy


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:00:58 -0700
From: olds442 <olds442@digitaldune.net>
Subject: Hood change?

Is it possible (and feasible for little money) to take a 68 442 and put a 
69 hood and grille on? Anybody pondered this change? I would love it cause 
the hood scoops are already there, either for ram air or for a "coolant" 
for the engine bay. I've thought of putting a home made scoop on my 68, but 
the labor involved is not much in my specialty... I could have a friend get 
me the metal for free and have another bend it and cut it to my specs... 
But would it be just less labor and easier to put a 69 hood on? what are 
the draw backs? different dimensions? I know there must be something 
difficult with it or else more people w/ 68 or earlier would have done it 
already...

Thanks, Ben

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:54:33 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Well...why not?

Dave Cullen
40 something...
Wallingford, Conn.
1 Oldsmobile every 15 years or so - currently an 85 Delta.
1 '75 Norton 850 Commando
1 kid (13 years old and a budding Oldsmofreak)
1 ex-wife
2 cats

Senior Electrical Engineer, HID Corp.
Embedded Systems Designer, hardware & software

drc

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:05:45 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 307's in 442's

>Hello...I just got back from Mardi Gras, and am just now catching up after
>an extended absence from the list...
>
>Aren't roller rockers better?


In Olds reference, it's roller ~lifters~, which were put into the last
generation 307's. They help reduce friction and gain back some of the power
loss that resulted from the other changes (emisions and fuel economy
related) that were made to these engines. In terms of overall performance,
the pre-roller era engines were definitely better.

My question originally related to 1985 - the crossover year - 442's . Mike
R? You have 2 of them? What heads please?

drc

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:21:57 -0800
From: "f87olds" <f87olds@glblnet.com>
Subject: Re: Olds display cabinet

Ron,
    My name is Aaron.  I am interested in the Olds display case.  Just a few
questions:  Is the case metal or wood?  How many shelves and compartments
are there totally?  What shape is it in?
    I am from the Detroit area.  Does the owner live near you in Dayton,
Ohio?  If so, I wouldn't have to worry about the shipping.
    If you could, I would appreciate if you could answer some of these
questions for me, and perhaps give me the name of the seller and how I can
reach him to talk further with him about the case.
    My e-mail address is :  f87olds@glblnet.com

Thank you,
Aaron Lamb
72 F-87 Cutlass
- -----Original Message-----
From: R4C442@aol.com <R4C442@aol.com>
To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 9:07 AM
Subject: Olds display cabinet


>Hey gang,
> I know where an Olds display case/cabinet/tower whatever you might call it
>exists.It stands about 7 ft tall by 3 ft wide and about 18 in deep. It has
a
>storage compartment in the lower half with three shelves which are accessed
by
>opening a door. It is painted some sort of tan/gold (probably an actual
>available car color). A raised and chromed "OLDSMOBILE' is on the facia and
>the entire unit is tastefully pin-striped with a dark maroon color. The guy
>wants $50 for it but shipping may be fairly costly because of the unit's
size
>and weight (approx 100 lbs.) I am in Dayton, Ohio. Let me know if you are
>interested.
> Ron Forsee
> 65 442-Meister
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:21:06 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: CCC Feedback Quadrajet -- fast idle

>Is the fast idle(cold) setting still basically choke and mechanical
>settings on a feedback QJ ?  Or does the computer control the cold
>engine speed thru the TPS or something ?


Cold idle is choke, vacuum break, and linkage related only. The computer
does not enter "feedback" mode until the engine is warmed up. Oxygen sensors
don't work until they get to 600 degrees.

In fact on the 307, the computer does not control idle speed at all. On the
V-6 it does.

>Ever since I got my 85 Toro, there has been no fast idle when cold.
>Tried tinkering with the choke adjustments, no luck.

There's a fast idle cam and vacuum break, just like any other carb. Vacuum
leaks will also cause havoc with cold idle, since they tend to make a lean
mixture when the engine wants a rich one.

> Never had this
>problem on a regular non-feedback QJ.


Coincidence. The GM electronic carbs have an excellent reputation.

drc

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:25:25 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Arizona Assistance Please

I live in Phx and I can make time to look at them email me with more info.

LP

nurelic@primenet.com
- -----Original Message-----
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 11:47 PM
Subject: Arizona Assistance Please


>I will herein admit I haven't read ALL of the recent roll call posts.  Are
>there any Zoni Olds list-ers out there?  I have a great lead on much needed
>parts outta Arizona near the New Mexico border - Patagonia - and am without
>a means to get at them (the whole lot of Vista Cruisers is for sale).
>
>This is a divorce issue - there are 4 VC's involved (I think all are '72's)
>and I can post more details when my buddy forwards me the info.  But if
>nothing else, I'll be in need of help in picking up at least the tailgate
>we've needed for quite awhile.
>
>All assistance is appreciated.
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>Anaheim, CA
>
>1966 Toronado, 1967 Delta 88 Custom, 1972 Vista Cruiser, 1972 Cutlass
>Supreme Convertible
>
>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>Subscribe To : Lisa's Classic Oldsmobile Bulletin Board Mailing List:
>Lisa's Oldsmobile FREE Banner Exchange
>http://exo.com/~jht/olds/banners/
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:33:41 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: 75 bumpers (was Re: Screen Saver Pics update)

Not anymore! My fiberglass bumpers came in yesterday. They weigh about 30
lbs. FOR BOTH of them. Hehe!

- -----Original Message-----

>PPS The bumpers will break your back, as soon as the last bolt comes out,
>run like heck, your going to be crushed.
>
>----------
>> From: Ed Binnix <comid@jellico.com>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: Screen Saver Pics update
>
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:29:49 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Need dimensions for engine cradle.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
> I was wondering if anyone has blueprints for building a Olds engine
cradle.

I'm interested in this too, Cliff.

Getting an engine out of my basement workshop, down the crumbling sidewalk,
and onto the cracked concrete driveway would be nearly impossible with the
tiny steel wheels I've seen on engine stands, even good ones. I figger a low
wooden 'cart', or maybe steel square stock, with big rubber wheels would
make that trip a lot safer.

Lemme know if you find the dimensions for a small block mounting.

drc

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 19:17:37 PST
From: "Mike Sealey" <rocket98for69@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Holy Order of Rocketeers needs YOU!

On Thu, 18 Feb 1999 18:36:43 -0600, Karl Aune & SOM wrote:

> (Do not worry, still working on the Olds quote from the Bible.....)
> ((gonna be ~funny~))

You do, of course, remember in the Book of Genesis where we learned that 
the Almighty is into MoPars, specifically Plymouths?

"And the Lord drove Adam & Eve out of the Garden of Eden *in his Fury* 
...

Mike Sealey

Olds Content:  John Beltz was head guy in Lansing in the late '60s - 
early '70s until his young and untimely death.  I have no doubt he's in 
heaven.

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:36:26 EST
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hood change?

Not that simple. Even though the fenders appear to be the same the radiator
core support is different on a 68 vs. 69. this effects the hood placement in
the front plus the front bumper is different as well. It might work if you can
find a complete front end from firewall forward incl. bumper brackets /core
support and all assoc. parts.  You can  also use a 70' core support as the 70
hood is same as 69 but I think that bumper brackets are still different
between 69 & 70 (not positive on that one)

one thing you did have right is that it's not just a simple swap.

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:37:07 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: The Holy Order of Rocketeers needs YOU!

That's good enough for me; SIGN ME UP!!!   and I'll drive one of the Vista
Cruisers.
THOR    "it is rocket science"

70 455 Vista Cruiser

LP

- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAunan@aol.com <KarlAunan@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: The Holy Order of Rocketeers needs YOU!


>In a message dated 99-02-18 13:57:47 EST, you write:
>
>> How much does "THOR" pay?
>
>Ummmmm......
>
>Well, as a bona fide religious cult, we will be tax exempt.
>
>((Except for local taxes on gasoline/deisel fuel))
>
>And, as always, "to the victor go the spoils".
>So, really, consider yourself to be working on a kind of commission.
>
>And you should ~see~ the Vista Cruisers we will be using as transports!
>
>Gotta cull the archives for the original T.H.O.R. posting.....it came out
in
>the wake of the "Heaven's Gate" sensation.
>
>Can cults get a discount on Ebay??
>
>SOM
>
>&KA
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:43:02 EST
From: NumbTwo@aol.com
Subject: W-30 Production Totals

Do you know the production totals for Oldsmobile 442 W-30 4-speed convertibles
made in 1970? 

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:48:26 EST
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Roll Call

Hello,
	My screen name is drolds350@aol.com
My name is Jim McKeague
I am closer to 50 than 40 (49)
I am a general manager of a Jewel Foods Store in the Chicago Suburbs
I live in Naperville, Illinois
Married with 1 son (14) Big Oldsmobile Fan!!!
I drive a 1970 Cutlass W-31
I am restoring a 1970 Rallye 350 ground-up
and for a daily driver I have a 1996 Aurora
my web site address is: http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html
 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html">Dr.Olds350's Page</A> 
Thanks,
Jim
drolds350@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:49:47 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Need dimensions for engine cradle.

dont forget that I also said I use to use the bottom half of a grocery cart in
the early days before I got and engine stand...try it , it works real nice
with some wood shims where you need them to make the engine steady.
  Hot Rod Harry <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">1973 Olds
Cutlass 455 4speed</A> 

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:53:27 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket Talk

putting a 455 in a boat I just bought, flat bottom, I'm going to call it
"ROCKET SCIENCE"  should do 85+ in perfect water.  :-)

LP
- -----Original Message-----
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 7:04 PM
Subject: Rocket Talk


>Hey everyone,
>
> How's about some Rocket Talk tonight.
>
>Jim Chermack
>66 442 W-30
>66 442 Race Car
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:59:06 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: 1975 Hurst Olds  (4sale)

Lead for a 75 Hurst Olds W25, black, real sharp car. Located in IL. Can be
seen at my webpage in the 73-77 Garage Area 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">1973 Olds Cutlass 455
4speed</A> If you are looking for one,this is affordable.
Call Jeff Fieldsend at 815-965-5242 or email him at  dukeofbluz@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:56:02 -0800
From: jancan <jancan@cybersurf.net>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Gerry Merkley   Calgary Alta.
Contractor
  59 Olds flat top Super 88 -394 just finished rebuilding

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:04:00 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: FS:  '57-'67 Olds Parts

Hi Jim,
   Could you please email a picture of this air cleaner? I'd like to see it
before I order it. One other question: How's the chrome on the '64 console?
I just got one in decent shape but the chrome has several pits in it. Would
your's be substantially nicer (ie. bordering on perfect)? Thanks,
Gene
 
>66-67 442 Air Cleaner (2)  $85.00 ea

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:01:13 EST
From: CUTLASS442@aol.com
Subject: Re: SPRING---Training

Major League Baseball's most feared slugger of the 70's and 80's, Kingman
cranked a total of 442 home runs in his 16-year career for the Giants, Mets,
Cubs, A's, Padres, Angels and Yankees. 

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:11:44 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: 455 For Sale.

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I sent the previous message to the list a couple
of weeks ago.  I have put a price on it if anybody is in my area and in
the market.
Asking $250 OBO.  Cannot deliver- must pick
up.  I am about 30 miles NW of Milwaukee.
If you have any questions, please send them
to me privately as I am now in olds-digest mode...  Thanks!

Kevin
Dr-Olds@webtv.net


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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 21:56:51 -0600 (CST)
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Need help w/ value.
Message-ID: <9556-36BD0F03-1424@mailtod-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
In-Reply-To: hurst455@webtv.net (Corey Putnam)'s message of Sat, 6 Feb 1999
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As long as we are asking values- what do you
think about this one...  I bought my 72 Supreme
from a guy about 3 years ago.  It had a "rebuilt
455" in it.  The guy couldn't get it to run.  I messed with the carb and
timing for a day or so
and gave up- and put my already great running
rebuilt motor into the car, where it still is.  A year later I got bored
and dug into the other 
motor.  What I found was iritating. All new parts
everything was spotless.  Looks like they used
the original pistons, and I have no idea what kind of work was done to
it, but it looked right, 
except the cam was installed 180 degrees off.
The timing marks were just not aligned right.

Since that time, I have stolen the pushrods,
and rocker assemblies- for a top half freshening
up of my current motor.  I also noticed the Holley Carb on it was used,
and was leaking gas from the throttle area someplace.  Other
than that, I think all parts are still there.

What I do know about it is-  It has a stock 4bbl
manifold, J heads- I'm guessing it is a 73 motor.
Has a Crane Cam- older grind- I called them
and they gave me the specs based on the P/N
cch284-2-nc  491-518 lift  282-290 duration.
The motor is torn down to the short-block.  All
parts are organized and boxed carefully.

What is this worth, based on the fact that I don't
know what machine work was done and by whom?  The cam is definitely new-
the engine
still had assembly lube present- and was never
fired.  I was going to keep it as a spare, but considering I am storing
it in borrowed space,
I'm ready to reconsider.  Anybody want to take
a chance on it?  Make an offer.  (I am in Hartford, WI- suburb of
Milwaukee, and I don't
have a way to deliver.  Also appreciate any opinions on worth.

Kevin D. Wood
Dr-Olds@webtv.net


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:13:02 EST
From: Stakin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Screen Saver Pics update

In a message dated 99-02-18 11:36:41 EST, you write:

<< Ticks me off . . . grumble, grumble . . .  keep your ol' screensaver anyway
 . . . grumble, grumble . . . (kicking dirt) >>

:-)  :-)  :-)   too  funny !!!!      I here ya ,   I have a 74 ( along with a
68 69 ) and know what you mean.  I also have done a lot of drag racing  and
what a bunch of greif I get here in western Wa. when I go the car shows for
haveing all the mods in my car to run 11's .  Such a bummer I quit the local
club and goin to there shows.   THe Ore club guys are great though .  But you
know what   I love my car  so the heck with them anyway.

Joe Stackman

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:25:38 -0500
From: Gasman24 <stulk@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Roll Call

Guess I'll jump on this band wagon while it's still safe!

Scott Tulk
Greenville, South Carolina
I work for a welding supply co. here in town, driving one of thoes
trucks with all the cylinders in the back. Pretty cool job I'll have to
say.
As for the cars well I've owned a little of everything but here's what's
in the driveway now:
'85 88 Royale
'79 GMC 4x4
'83 Dodge Colt (POS but good on gas)
'79 T/A (with a 403 in the first stages of rebuild, hope this kicks butt 
         when I'm done!)
Talk to ya'll later!
Scott
ICQ # 9201151

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:17:44 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: 84 cutlass headlight problems need help

>my dash light, headlights, parking lights are not working. The turn
>signals, 4ways and brake lights work fine.
>


Carl,
Have experienced this before on my 72 with one additional
thing, the interior lights went out too.  I blew a fusible link
in the underhood harness which was the main power supply
feed for the lights.  I caused the fuse link to blow so it was
easy to track down.  As suggested earlier use the process
of elimination.  Start at the fuse box and if your not getting
power that eliminates the dash wiring.  Keep tracing it 
back until you find the problem.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
  

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:03:38 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure Gauge Problems (copper)

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:
> 
>  <snip>   I personally don't trust
> that plastic line...I've seen it break under the dash, and it was NOT pretty!
> Dorian


This is precisely why plastic tubing is not allowed
by NHRA in any category.  Metal or steel braided 
lines are required whenever a (mechanical) oil 
pressure gauge is located inside the car.  
On a race car type application I prefer the
braided line.  As it easier to work with and
is not prone fatiguing when it is often 
being disconnected for various component 
changes, etc.  


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 
Portland, Oregon  503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:23:39 EST
From: Oldsfire@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call Update.

Oldfire@aol.com         Better known as BIG BAD JOHN --- Oklahoma!!

66 Starfire 88   All apart right now, been in restoration process for several
years.
67 Deltal 88 Holiday coupe   Its being restored as its being driven

LOVE THOSE BIG BLOCKS!!!!

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:24:41 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

In a message dated 2/18/1999 9:14:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Onebil2mny@aol.com writes:

<< Bill Kistner
 72 442 conv.  BBC (I've heard it already), Richmond 5speed, 4 Wheel Disc, 
 Many more mods.....
 Maryland
 Tool & Equipment Business >>


I guess I should also mention....

I'm 30
Have a 79 Trans Am (403/auto)
69 Triumph Bonneville
79 Suzuki GS1000E (4,000 miles)

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:25:42 EST
From: Stakin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hood change?

Ive  seen  a 68 around here with a 69 front clip  and a 69  with a 68 front
clip.  THey both just swapped the entire clip ( core support , fenders, hood,
and bumper )  As far as a scoop   I use to see a 68 running around with a L-88
scoop never was able to talk him but  boy I thought it looked cool.

Joe Stackman

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:25:30 EST
From: Oldsfire@aol.com
Subject: Re: BAD American Cars

Love to see somebody else who likes those big 66 Rockets!!!1

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:33:43 EST
From: Olds442nut@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

   Jeff Whitaker
 work at automobile manufacturer
 31 / married w/ 1 son
 current vehicles are:
 72 442 silver/black
 83 H/O w/maple vinyl interior
 87 442 blue
 66 ch*vy truck in family since new
 89 grand prix (work car)
 97 ch*vy silverado Z71 (for sale)
 99 ch*vy silverado Z71

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:34:22 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: BAD American Cars

Got me a 66 Cutlass, is that big enough for you? Its a 330, 310hp,
4bbl...9.5:1 comp, nothing special....Just thought I'd tell you
Kelly Erickson
1966 Cutlass Holiday
1954 Super 88
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/Olds442z/

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:35:00 -0800 (PST)
From: "R. Coons" <rcoons@u.washington.edu>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

My name is Greg Coons 
I am 36 years old 
I am a Structural Engineer 
I live in Federal Way, Washington 

I have a 1972 Cutlass Convertible and a 1972 Cutlass Supreme.  I have been
thinking about getting another olds, (isn't everyone?), possibly a 1972 
Vista Cruiser.

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:35:17 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Running out of oil

My dumb friend kept putting off adding oil into his '86 305 Cutlass.  He
said the motor started bucking while he was driving.  Then, he stopped and
added oil and said it was running fine then.  Did it buck because it had no
oil or what.  Geez.

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:32:53 EST
From: Oldsfire@aol.com
Subject: Re: C chamber heads

Have the C heads been magnafluxed???

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:33:08 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: interior swap

>> The "seat of the bench seat is one whole seat...........only the back
>> is split (50/50) so you can crawl in the back from either side.
>>
>> When I use the lever under the drivers side to adjust the seat -
>> forward and back - it "catches" into place on the drivers side but not
>> on the passenger side.


Running from the seat release on the drivers side to the pass side of
the seat will be a rod which attaches to the seat catch.  When you
move the seat release it pulls the rod and disengages the catch.
something is likely binding this rod, maybe you have a seat cover
on it with straps running under the seat.  If you pull the seat out you
can get a better look and adjust it so it will catch.  The other possibility
is that the spring that pulls against the rod is broke which will make
the catch not want to stick and allow the rod to flex.  Got to be one
or the other.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:22:45 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call - Chris Urban

Chris Urban wrote:
> 
> Chris Urban
> 
> 69 442 Conv
> 72 Hurst
> 69 Drag car 9.7's



Chris,
How about some more info on that 69 Drag car.
9.7's quarter I presume.  Olds powered?
Got any pics posted?  Love to hear more!

 
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 
Portland, Oregon  503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 20:34:38 PST
From: "Mike Sealey" <rocket98for69@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SPRING---Training

On Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:03:22 -0400, "CUTLASS442@aol.com" writes:


>Major League Baseball's most feared slugger of the 70's and 80's, 
>Kingman cranked a total of 442 home runs in his 16-year career for 
>the Giants, Mets, Cubs, A's, Padres, Angels and Yankees.

He also once gave a local female sportswriter a rat in a giftwrapped 
box... 

Additional Non-Numeric Olds Content:  Many of Dave "Kong" Kingman's home 
run blasts could be best described as, well, rockets...

Mike Sealey
Giants Fan For Life In '69 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 22:40:43 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Is '72 455 Cutlass down pipe similar to 455 Buick?

This is pure conjecture here but as the BB Olds is the
biggest of the big blocks dimensionally you may have
problems due to the fact that you might have to add
some pipe to get them to fit.  Even so, I would take
that approach as it's easier to modify something than
to start from scratch.  I would put the tailpipes/mufflers
in first and work backwards from there as the headpipes
are a lot easier to work on than the tailpipes.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

>I posted a question about this before (thanks Mike and others) and was
>about to order some 90's & 45's from Torque Tech to cut and weld but they
>wondered if their 2.5" down pipe for the Buick 400-455 would fit?
>
>Their catalog states those pipes are for:   '64-87 Buick GS/Skylark,
>Century and Regal and equivalent vehicles.  (A,F and G-body Vehicles)
>
>I looked at the catalog.  Things look similar, but I'm far beyond my
>experience....
>
>I assume it wouldn't be exact, but close enough to make some small
alterations?
>
>Anybody got any facts or conjecture on this?
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:00:12 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Lou Biggs wrote:
> 
> Mick;
> Me too but not by much
> Lou
> ----------
> > From: Mick Gillespie <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: Roll Call
> > Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 8:13 PM
> >
> > Mick Gillespie, Melbourne, FL
> > Manufacturing Manager, Aluminum Extrusions.
> > Age 53 (got you beat Don) :-)
> > 69 Cutlass Conv.
> > 80 Toronado Brougham
> > mgillespie@sprynet.com

	Sure is good to know I'm not the oldest one on the list with my boyish
good looks. LOL
	Thanks guys........

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:00:09 EST
From: Dshack4@aol.com
Subject: a little paint help needed!!

	Hi, I am the proud owner of a 71 442 w-30, and would like to get it
repainted.  The body by fischer tag says it has a lower body color of 49.
What color is that???  Also says that the upper body color is B, which I
assume refers to the black vinyl top it currently has.  I think that it may
have been green originally, and your w-30 looks green in the picture.  If you
have any clue what these codes are, or can point me in the right direction, it
would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks, David

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:08:57 EST
From: Thommandel@aol.com
Subject: 65 442 parts car

I am forced to move and leave my project behind. Have a complete but
disassembled 65 442, red, with red interior,  chassis and frame, engine parts.
Was in process of sandblasting frame.
Want to sell as a package. Also have some key chassis components from a 64
F85,

Tom Mandel 
708-354-4367
ThomMandel@aol.com  

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 21:20:09 PST
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: BAD American Cars

Cliff Simpson wrote:
But before we all get too cocky, try running you rocket into a F-350
Superduty dually.  Or rather, don't.
========================================================
how about a parked Chevy dually hitting my parked '66 Delta?

Damnedest thing I ever saw.  Yes, someone hit the dually on the opposite 
side that I was parked.

My wreck pics @ http://www2.bladeti.com/cars/

Reconstruction in progress,

Chris Rivier
Austin,TX
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST is BACK!
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 166K LAWN ORNAMENT!


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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:41:45 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: A/C setup from 72 442 4sale

A/C Setup for sale from a 72 442. Includes the A/C Condenser $135.00,
Evaporator Core $50.00, Compressor $80.00, POA Suction Throttling Valve
$30.00, Vacuum Tank $5.00, Heater Control Valve $10.00, Expansion Valve
$30.00,  A/C Bracket for 350 motor $40.00 - Total Price = $380.00 or will
seperate

All was in working order when pulled off of car..
E-Mail Privately 
Located near Chicago, IL.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:32:11 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Paint Prep (Igor)

>It came out good. There are a couple small spots that if you look you can
see. Overall it looks brand 
>new.

Why are those spots there?  What (if anything) could you have done to avoid
these?

>>Would not a color
>>change involve removing a good portion of the interior (not necessarily the
>>carpet, I guess, because you can't see that, but...)
>
>Yeah, if you want it right.  I did that all myself.  One day to take it
>apart, one to put it back together.  Also for the door jams, I had to remove
>the doors, sand them (inside) and the car.  After the paint job, the body
>shop reinstalled the doors.

This sanding...done because of the color change, or because it's just the
way to do it?  I'm GUESSING that yes, for a really bitchin' paint job, you
should always go to bare metal before applying paint, but if you're keeping
the same color, is this all over sanding necessary?  By "necessary", I
mean, "Can I tell from 5 feet?"

What method of sanding did you use?  Power or hand, what grit, wet or dry?
How much time for the sanding?

But I wouldn't need to screw around with anything inside the door jams if I
was keeping the same color, yes?  Just get everything on the outside of the
car off, get the body straight...what am I getting myself into?

>I decided not to bup emblems back on.  Wanted to keep the car clean looking
>but the main reason is that my emblems were junk.  I also painted the trunk,
>for which I had to remove and reinstall it (as well as sand it).

But the emblems are cool! 
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 Brian Ammons		 Universal Internet # (ICQ) - 3585737
 MIS Major - UT Austin	 b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
 2903 Breeze Terrace	 http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
 Austin, TX 78722	Home :	(512) 236-8088 (Austin)
 1984 Oldsmobile		(713) 776-2110 (Houston)
	Delta 88	Pager:	(512) 483-8056
 	  4-door		(713) 318-5938	
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:32:25 -0600
From: C K <bloom9@juno.com>
Subject: re: roll call

Sorry I'm a little late in this game. I've been doing the digest mode
because of a tight schedule lately.

Now, where to start....Hi everybody....including the three ladies I've
counted so far. 

Family situation: one great wife; two sons; two daughters; two rat
terriers (who think they are human); three cats who hate me (they think I
spend too much time in THEIR garage) and two mice in a cage (birthday
present, second daughter).

Work situation: stationary engineer at American Airlines (no, I wasn't
responsible for ruining some peoples vacations the last two weeks).

Sig file below tells my Old's situation. I purchassed my 442 in 1978.
Thanks to the new child tax break this year, it's going to get some major
things done to it, if great wife is generous.

Personnal situation: 40 years old (I know, I know...) and still have all
my hair. My oldest child (16) is starting to think I'm not as smart as
she is, but hey, time will tell. I love to work on my cars and I do a
little woodworking.
I REALLY enjoy this Olds list. Sometimes I get tired of the language and
stupidness, but as someone famous once said, "this too will pass". I
think Joe P. is a guru and Karl A. is SOM's best friend.

And yes, I love my cars....with my wife's permission.

Fred Kemp
bloom9@juno.com
Tulsa, OK area
'67 442
'67 Cutlass S 
'67 Cutlass
'67 Cutlass S parts car

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:33:33 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: PAINT PREP BOOKS

Talkin' about maybe painting my Delta...I know nothing about bodywork.
Perhaps someone can tell me how I can learn relatively quickly (short of
taking an internship position at a bodyshop)?

I'm thinking of books, videos, et al...
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 Brian Ammons		 Universal Internet # (ICQ) - 3585737
 MIS Major - UT Austin	 b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
 2903 Breeze Terrace	 http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
 Austin, TX 78722	Home :	(512) 236-8088 (Austin)
 1984 Oldsmobile		(713) 776-2110 (Houston)
	Delta 88	Pager:	(512) 483-8056
 	  4-door		(713) 318-5938	
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:37:18 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Paint Prep (Igor)

At 11:32 PM 2/18/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>It came out good. There are a couple small spots that if you look you can
>see. Overall it looks brand 
>>new.

Oh yeah...how much?
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 Brian Ammons		 Universal Internet # (ICQ) - 3585737
 MIS Major - UT Austin	 b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
 2903 Breeze Terrace	 http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
 Austin, TX 78722	Home :	(512) 236-8088 (Austin)
 1984 Oldsmobile		(713) 776-2110 (Houston)
	Delta 88	Pager:	(512) 483-8056
 	  4-door		(713) 318-5938	
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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:49:03 EST
From: Bbymks4@aol.com
Subject: Re: was screen Saver Pics update, now 73-77 cutlass

                Something that I've noticed about that weird side sculpting
that you are talking about that is on the ' 73-' 75 Cutlass's is that it's on
the bottom part of the car, and the top part of the car is pretty much
straight. Now if you will take a look at the     ' 70 to ' 72 cars, the bottom
part is smooth, but the upper part has the curves. It looks to me like they
inverted the design, but the curves are very similar. So tell me   
 now, can you now see them? just my opinion......Steve M.

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 23:51:58 -0600
From: inovator@agriculture.com (Grant Mangold)
Subject: how to price '64 F-85

need advice on how to price my '64 F-85 Sport Coupe
you can see photos at
http://www.agriculture.com/technology/aginnovator/Grant
Details: 330, 2-bbl, rebuilt auto, PS,PB, repainted gunmetal Toronado gray
about ~84... have owned car since 1975, always maintained and always good
runner. 158,000 troublefree miles. Not driven for about 6 years. Can't wait
to start. Runs good. Good red interior (but bad bench and some holes in
headliner) with new carpet in ~84 and fixed floorpans etc. Good straight
body with little bit of rust coming through rear wheel wells. Some Cutlass
chrome. Black rally wheels. Been asking 2,000
Email for more details or with your advice...
thank you! -- GM

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:53:25 EST
From: Thommandel@aol.com
Subject: Re: PAINT PREP BOOKS

In a message dated 2/18/99 11:36:25 PM Central Standard Time,
b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu writes:

<< Talkin' about maybe painting my Delta...I know nothing about bodywork.
 Perhaps someone can tell me how I can learn relatively quickly (short of
 taking an internship position at a bodyshop)?
  >>

Wasn't there a movie about this? Push forward, pull back. Move in circles.
Repeat five million times. Then use poly urethane paint, it goes on like
enamel and looks like lacquer
and is very forgiving. Shows deep sand scratches tho. 

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 00:55:29 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Paint Prep (Igor)

The sanding all over is not only to take down rusted sections, but is to
roughen the old paint surface for better new paint adhesion to the old.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Brian Ammons
> Sent: Friday, February 19, 1999 12:32 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Paint Prep (Igor)
>
>
> >It came out good. There are a couple small spots that if you look you can
> see. Overall it looks brand
> >new.
>
> Why are those spots there?  What (if anything) could you have
> done to avoid
> these?
>
> >>Would not a color
> >>change involve removing a good portion of the interior (not
> necessarily the
> >>carpet, I guess, because you can't see that, but...)
> >
> >Yeah, if you want it right.  I did that all myself.  One day to take it
> >apart, one to put it back together.  Also for the door jams, I
> had to remove
> >the doors, sand them (inside) and the car.  After the paint job, the body
> >shop reinstalled the doors.
>
> This sanding...done because of the color change, or because it's just the
> way to do it?  I'm GUESSING that yes, for a really bitchin' paint job, you
> should always go to bare metal before applying paint, but if
> you're keeping
> the same color, is this all over sanding necessary?  By "necessary", I
> mean, "Can I tell from 5 feet?"
>
> What method of sanding did you use?  Power or hand, what grit, wet or dry?
> How much time for the sanding?
>
> But I wouldn't need to screw around with anything inside the door
> jams if I
> was keeping the same color, yes?  Just get everything on the
> outside of the
> car off, get the body straight...what am I getting myself into?
>
> >I decided not to bup emblems back on.  Wanted to keep the car
> clean looking
> >but the main reason is that my emblems were junk.  I also
> painted the trunk,
> >for which I had to remove and reinstall it (as well as sand it).
>
> But the emblems are cool!
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>  Brian Ammons		 Universal Internet # (ICQ) - 3585737
>  MIS Major - UT Austin	 b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
>  2903 Breeze Terrace	 http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
>  Austin, TX 78722	Home :	(512) 236-8088 (Austin)
>  1984 Oldsmobile		(713) 776-2110 (Houston)
> 	Delta 88	Pager:	(512) 483-8056
>  	  4-door		(713) 318-5938
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>

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