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oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, February 14 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1774



Re: Water Jacket Cleanout?
Intake Manifold
Re: cast iron welding....
Re: Ink
Re: Steering Wheel Help
Re: Intake Manifold
Rocket????
Re: Rocket????
Re: Rocket????
UNBOUNCE: Looking for a '69 Hurst Olds Poster
Re: Ink
UNBOUNCE: ISO '71/'72 AM/FM
Side draft Webbers
Re: Ink
Techcalc
New member, and a small prob(long)
Rallye 350 W-31 F/S
Re: Rocket????
Re: Pushrods (non- Ch*tty or Sommerville) was: Roller Rockers.
Re: New member, and a small prob(long)
Re: Rocket????
Re: New member, and a small prob(long)
Re: New member, and a small prob(long)
Fw:  Stop waiting.  Start raving.
Re: NASCAR Configurations
Re: Rocket????
Re: MSD Ignition?
Re: Cam For 330
Re: Cam For 330
Re: New member, and a small prob(long)
bad news
Re: New member, and a small prob(long)
Re: bad news
Casteele- The Rest of the Story
Burnouts (TEMP SPARES)
Re: Ink
Re: Ink
Re: NASCAR Configurations
Re: Olds Straight 8: History Question
Re: New member, and a small prob(long)
A Tale of Two Cars
Re: NASCAR Configurations
Re: New member, and a small prob(long)
Igor, give your link to bryceman
Re: Olds Club of Fla swap meet at Old Town (2/13)
Re: Rocket????
Re: Rocket????
Re: Rocket????
Re: New member, and a small prob(long)
Re: Burnouts (TEMP SPARES)
Re: A Tale of Two Cars
Re: NASCAR Configurations
RE: badges
Re: Igor, give your link to bryceman
Re: A Tale of Two Cars
Re: Cam For 330
Re: NASCAR Configurations
Re: New member, and a small prob(long)
Re: New member, and a small prob(long)

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 16:56:53 -0500
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Water Jacket Cleanout?

>I would be very tempted to soak them in CLR.  I believe that a component
>of the scale is Calcium and CLR will dissolve it.

Cool, I'll look for it...at any regular auto parts store or Wal-Mart?

>On a related note, the machine shop recommended either removing the
>rotators or spot welding them so they wouldn't work on my heads.

Can you install rotators in (on) a head that didn't originally have them?
The #4 head (330 cui.) doesn't have rotators as it stands now.

>PS: Welcome back Jason.

Thanks!  :-)

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://members.xoom.com/jadcock

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:49:45 -0500 (EST)
From: OLDS72W30@webtv.net (Todd Thomas)
Subject: Intake Manifold

I am going to take my intake manifold off of my 1972 w30 ( aluminum
manifold) to replace the gaskets, but I cannot find any torque specs to
put it back on. Does anybody know what they would be or where I can find
out?
Thanks in advance...
T.Thomas
72W30

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 16:52:22 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: cast iron welding....

>I'm not sure what you mean by pinning the block but my father-in-law
>watched a guy fix a cracked block using copper wire.  This was in the
>40's or 50's and this fellow who had no money worked in the same garage
>as Ernie and he bought a car with a cracked engine cheap.  He drilled a
>hole in it and tapped it.  Then he cut a few threads onto a piece of
>copper wire (large gauge maybe electrical single strand) and turned the
>wire into the hole until it was so tight that it twisted off outside the
>block.  The next hole was drilled to slightly overlap the previous one.


Basically the same thing, but you use a tapered, threaded iron plug
that has a square end on it.  You drill out the ends of the cracks, thread
them then use some red loctite and thread the plug in until it's good and
tight.  Use a cold chisel to snap off the excess.  To "sew" up the rest of
the crack you drill in at a 30 to 45 degree angle, alternating from side to
side down the length of the crack.  The key is to drill partially into the
previous plug, and when your done grind the whole thing down flush.
Worked great on everything short of cyl bores.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:03:42 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ink

I almost got the rocket emblem on my ankle.  You know like the one in 
the center of the sport wheel.



>I was wondering if any of you Oldsnuts had ever thought about or 
considered
>getting a Olds related tattoo or something related to your car. About 3
>years ago I had the Olds logo from my 80 Cutlass tattooed on my arm I 
was
>wondering if I was the only nut out there that had something like this 
done.
>If you have a picture of any tattoos related to Olds I would like to 
put
>them up on my site.
>
>Thanks
>Kevin Grant
>80 Cultass Supreme
>http://members.home.net/kgrant442/
>kgrant442@home.com
>
>


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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 17:30:23 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Steering Wheel Help

Let me know...thanks
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Steering Wheel Help
> Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 9:43 AM
> 
> Petrix, I think that i have some from a trashed wheel sitting around here
let
> me check and will get back with you, you can have them if they are good.
Chris
> CHRIS SOMMERVILLE
> 69 442SC
> 84 H/O

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:26:28 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold

In a message dated 99-02-13 17:51:40 EST, you write:

<< I am going to take my intake manifold off of my 1972 w30 ( aluminum
 manifold) to replace the gaskets, but I cannot find any torque specs to
 put it back on. Does anybody know what they would be or where I can find
 out?
 Thanks in advance...
 T.Thomas >>
The torque specs on the alum intake is 35 to 40 lbs.  How about sending me
some pics of your W car.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30 race rocket
with a "X" in the vin tag
http://members.aol.com/WMACHINES/index.html

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 15:28:24 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Rocket????

Ok everyone calls an olds engine a rocket.  As in 350 rocket.  My 
question is was this a nickname that started?  Or was is a term used by 
Oldsmobile.  I have seen the rocket name used on some of the air 
cleaners.  Is there a certain year for the rocket engine?  I have always 
heard the pre 73 engines were rocket engines.  Also have been told that 
you can tell a rocket by the number of valve cover bolts.  I know that 
they changed around 73 or so to less bolts.  Thanks for the help.  I am 
just curious!

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:59:37 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket????

Hi Jason,
   I believe the Rocket moniker began in 1949 when Olds introduced their
V-8. The valve covers had Oldsmobile Rocket stamped into them. I have a
three tape set of old Oldsmobile commercials and they really hyped up the
Rocket thing. Sometime in the '70's the Rocket nickname began to lose it's
popularity with the advertisers (probably when the fuel mileage and
financing options became more important than performance). As far as I know
the term Rocket would apply to any and all Oldsmobile V-8 engines. I'm just
glad that we don't have to refer to our powerplants as a rodent, reptile or
an enormous mammal :-) We got a cool nickname; ROCKET! 

Keep your ROCKET ACTION up,
Gene

At 03:28 PM 2/13/99 PST, you wrote:
>Ok everyone calls an olds engine a rocket.  As in 350 rocket.  My 
>question is was this a nickname that started?  Or was is a term used by 
>Oldsmobile.  I have seen the rocket name used on some of the air 
>cleaners.  Is there a certain year for the rocket engine?  I have always 
>heard the pre 73 engines were rocket engines.  Also have been told that 
>you can tell a rocket by the number of valve cover bolts.  I know that 
>they changed around 73 or so to less bolts.  Thanks for the help.  I am 
>just curious!
>

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:12:16 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@rbnet.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket????

Gene Gatti wrote:
> 
> Hi Jason,
>    I believe the Rocket moniker began in 1949 when Olds introduced their
> V-8. The valve covers had Oldsmobile Rocket stamped into them. I have a
> three tape set of old Oldsmobile commercials and they really hyped up the
> Rocket thing. Sometime in the '70's the Rocket nickname began to lose it's
> popularity with the advertisers (probably when the fuel mileage and
> financing options became more important than performance). 

It had a lot to do with GM trying to homogenize their products.  In the
`70s they began placing chevy engines in oldses, olds engines in
pontiacs, etc. and didn't want it to be glaringly obvious that some
brands of cars had another brand's engine in them.  There was a lawsuit
over this at some point too.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:44:50 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Looking for a '69 Hurst Olds Poster

Not on the list, respond to mpaulson@cheerful.com

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Michelle Paulson <a0166312@rlemail.dseg.ti.com>
Subject: Looking for a '69 Hurst Olds Poster

Hi,

I am looking to find a full color poster of the '69 Hurst Olds.  I live
in the Dallas, TX, area.  Can you help me locate one?  I appreciate any
help.   Thanks.

Michelle Paulson
Please email me at:
mpaulson@cheerful.com
or
m-paulson@ti.com

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:50:47 -0500
From: "Bill Reilly" <wjreilly@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Ink

So do you have any pics that we can see of the Olds tattoo??

Did anyone else fess up to showing their true love of Oldsmobiles by
permanently marking themselves forever with a Rocket?

That just might have to be my next one. ;-)

Bill Reilly


- -----Original Message-----
From: R. Grant <kgrant442@home.com>
To: olds list CA <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 10:19 PM
Subject: Ink


>I was wondering if any of you Oldsnuts had ever thought about or considered
>getting a Olds related tattoo or something related to your car. About 3
>years ago I had the Olds logo from my 80 Cutlass tattooed on my arm I was
>wondering if I was the only nut out there that had something like this
done.
>If you have a picture of any tattoos related to Olds I would like to put
>them up on my site.
>
>Thanks
>Kevin Grant
>80 Cultass Supreme
>http://members.home.net/kgrant442/
>kgrant442@home.com
>
>

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:48:18 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: ISO '71/'72 AM/FM

Not on the list, respond to tlauro@infinet.com

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Tim Lauro <tlauro@infinet.com>

Can anyone h*lp me find a factory AM/FM Stereo for a 1971 or 1972
Cutlass Supreme??

Please reply privately to me at tlauro@infinet.com.  I'm looking to
purchase one for this specific set of model years.  Any potential sales
of one or links/pointers to where I can track one down would be greatly
appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

tim lauro
Columbus, OH

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:54:12 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Side draft Webbers

Hello All;

Does anyone know if there has ever been a Webber side draft carb manifold
produced for an Olds block? If so, anyone have a link or suggestion as to
info and/or availability of such a product. Opening a hood to reveal 4 side
draft webbers in an Olds would be something to behold.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's
Route-1, Box-615
Purling, NY 12470

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:08:40 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Ink

jason shreve wrote:
> 
> I almost got the rocket emblem on my ankle.  You know like the one in
> the center of the sport wheel.
> 
> >I was wondering if any of you Oldsnuts had ever thought about or
> considered
> >getting a Olds related tattoo or something related to your car. About 3
> >years ago I had the Olds logo from my 80 Cutlass tattooed on my arm I

Were you at Carlisle last year?  Are you about 250lbs 6'+ tall?
The reason I ask is last year I saw a guy there with the old Olds logo
tattooed on his arm...

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
95 Aurora 
OCA# 30442

*****************************************************
* visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
*****************************************************

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 02:04:27 +0100
From: "Trond-Jarle Pedersen" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: Techcalc

gentlemen.
here is a url to a usefull download.
it does about the same as the bowling site does but you dont have to be on
the net to calculate.
just go to the index then softwaredownload.
there is also a fuelcalc there but i havent tryed that one
(by the way Karl its another norwegian site)

http://home.sol.no/~ynk/



Trond-Jarle Pedersen
ICQ:15898213
mailto:trondped@c2i.net

69 F-85

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:21:24 +0000
From: Ben Markert <radu@ciris.net>
Subject: New member, and a small prob(long)

Hello to all, I thought I might as well introduce myself. I'm new to this
list, but not mailing lists, I was part of an AMC list for the better part
of almost 2 years. Im a 17 year old from South Texas, and I drive a '68
Cutlass "S", all original, with new seat upholstery. I bought it for $700
from a guy my dad works with. I love this car! The loose power steering is
something to get used to though. I have a small question about this car.
The brakes on it, the pedal sinks a little less then halfway before the
brakes grab. I have replaced the master cylinder/power booster because both
were bad. Before I did, it had barely any pedal, and I was scared to drive
it on the freeway. Im still kinda wondering about the brakes, even though
my dad tried to assure me that Oldsmobiles never have great brakes by
telling me the pedal on his '66 4-4-2(does anybody know EXACTLY what Olds
meant that to stand for?????) was never really there. Im skeptical about
this. Could someone tell me what the problem, if any, is? I have bled this
system about 30 times. Also theres a small pipe coming off the exhaust that
connects to the aircleaner, for whatever reason. Could someone tell me what
that is for, and do I need it? I have some heads from a '70 4-4-2, that
have original Micky Thompson valve covers, and I want to use them(the heads
are from a 350), but they are too tall to fit under the pipe running from
the exhaust to the aircleaner. She still has the original 310HP 350-4bbl,
but the original automatic was blown up and replaced by a turbo-350. Also
if its not too much trouble could someone give me the torque rating for
this engine? Thank you all, and I hope I have a good time on this mailing list.

Ben Markert, aka Lord Radu Lykan

'68 Cutlass "S" 350, 4bbl, auto: Lila

THM homepage - http://www.geocities.com/SilconValley/Park/5290

The Xena Page - htpp://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/2050

emails: radu@ciris.net , radu16@hotmail.com

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:22:47 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Rallye 350 W-31 F/S

Was just at the store thumbing through an auto trader type mag and found
this:

1970 Cutlass S Rallye 350
4 speed, 3.71 posi, restored in '98
W31, W27, W45 (?) A/C
Protect-O-Plate, buildsheet
$10,500
708-572-4477  Williston, ND

Anyone care to try and document a Rallye 350 W-31 and prove they really
exist?
- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
95 Aurora 
OCA# 30442

*****************************************************
* visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
*****************************************************

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:13:43 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket????

Gene Gatti wrote:

> the term Rocket would apply to any and all Oldsmobile V-8 engines. I'm just
> glad that we don't have to refer to our powerplants as a rodent, reptile or
> an enormous mammal :-) We got a cool nickname; ROCKET!

Okay, let's see if I got this.  The rodent is RAT (Chevy), the reptile is COBRA
(Ford), and the enormous mammal is ELEPHANT (Chrysler's Hemi).  Am I right?  Ya
gotta admit, though.  Buick's WILDCAT is a cool nickname, too.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 19:42:22 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Pushrods (non- Ch*tty or Sommerville) was: Roller Rockers.

>And at this point, MITASWELL bring up that an issue of Ch*tty-Craft way
back
>when Karl subscribed (only for the neat tech asides and "how it works"
>articles) mentioned that the aftermarket pushrods showed slightly better in
>the dyno tests. Only plausible explanation was that chrome-moly rods were
>bending less than stock, resulting in marginally higher lift.
>
>Also MITASWELL say that if they are tubes, there is an inertial advantage
over
>solid pushrods - a solid pushrod would contribute to valve "float" or
symptoms
>diagnose-able as "float" more than a hollow tube.


Sounds like a combination of the two to me.  As you can get
the same strength with a thinner wall when using chromemoly,
you will be able to get stronger and lighter aftermarket
pushrods aftermarket which would contribute in both areas,
assuming you have enough spring pressure to cause the
stock pushrods to flex.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:46:50 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: New member, and a small prob(long)

In a message dated 2/13/99 8:20:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, radu@ciris.net
writes:

<< my dad tried to assure me that Oldsmobiles never have great brakes by
 telling me the pedal on his '66 4-4-2(does anybody know EXACTLY what Olds
 meant that to stand for?????) >>

442 stands for

4 Speed Transmission
4 Barrel Carb
2 or dual Exhaust

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:46:26 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rocket????

In a message dated 2/13/99 6:08:23 PM Central Standard Time, gregp@rbnet.com
writes:

>  that some
>  brands of cars had another brand's engine in them.  There was a lawsuit
>  over this at some point too.

I believe it was regarding GM's decision to plant Chevy 350s in 1977
Cutlasses.  I remember when I bought mine, the FIRST thing to do was to look
for the oil filler tube and the "R" engine code.

- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 Midday Guy on Mix103FM
 Live Audio at: www.mix103fm.com

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:51:12 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: New member, and a small prob(long)

In a message dated 2/13/99 5:48:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, Lou0118@aol.com
writes:

<< 442 stands for
 
 4 Speed Transmission
 4 Barrel Carb
 2 or dual Exhaust
 
 Lou Principe
 69 442 W-30 >>
 It stood for that in 1964, when they used the 330ci engine, but in 1965, then
went to the 400ci Big Block. In 1965 on, it stood for
400ci engine (or 455in some cases)
4barrel carb
2 exhaust
hope this helps you out., your dads 66 442 is a nice car

Kelly Erickson
1966 Cutlass
1954 Super 88
1968 Cutlass Supreme (dads)
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/Olds442z/
gutlass66@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 13 Jun 1999 21:09:02 -0400
From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Subject: Re: New member, and a small prob(long)

Test

Gutlass66@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 2/13/99 5:48:06 PM Pacific Standard Time, Lou0118@aol.com
> writes:
>
> << 442 stands for
>
>  4 Speed Transmission
>  4 Barrel Carb
>  2 or dual Exhaust
>
>  Lou Principe
>  69 442 W-30 >>
>  It stood for that in 1964, when they used the 330ci engine, but in 1965, 
then
> went to the 400ci Big Block. In 1965 on, it stood for
> 400ci engine (or 455in some cases)
> 4barrel carb
> 2 exhaust
> hope this helps you out., your dads 66 442 is a nice car
>
> Kelly Erickson
> 1966 Cutlass
> 1954 Super 88
> 1968 Cutlass Supreme (dads)
> http://www.angelfire.com/wa/Olds442z/
> gutlass66@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:12:17 -0500
From: "Dan" <dsm137@gti.net>
Subject: Fw:  Stop waiting.  Start raving.

check it out
- -----Original Message-----
From: Star Treatment <StarTreatment@StartSomething.Com>
To: Dan Miller <dsm137@gti.net>
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 11:34 PM
Subject: Stop waiting. Start raving.


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>0.9% APR GMAC financing available for Silhouette only. 36
>months at $28.16 per month per $1,000 financed. 20% down.
>2.9% APR GMAC financing. 36 months at $29.04 per month per
>$1,000 financed. 20% down. 
>CASH BACK: 
>You must take retail delivery out of dealer stock by 
>3/31/99.  See your participating dealer for details. Cash
>back offer not available with special finance or lease 
>programs.
>LEASING: 
>Payments based on 1999 Alero GL Sedan and an MSRP of
>$18,530. 36 monthly payments total $8,244. Payments based
>on 1999 Aurora and an MSRP of $36,899. 36 monthly payments
>total $14,364. Payments based on 1999 Bravada and an MSRP
>of $32,425. 36 monthly payments total $13,500. Payments
>based on 1999 Cutlass GL and an MSRP of $19,355. 36 monthly
>payments total $7,704. Payments based on 1999 Eighty Eight
>and an MSRP of $24,170. 48 monthly payments total $14,352.
>Payments based on 1999 Intrigue GX and an MSRP of $22,130.
>36 monthly payments total $9,684. Payments based on 1999 
>Silhouette GL and an MSRP of $25,090. 36 monthly payments
>total $12,060. Option to purchase at lease end for an 
>amount to be determined at lease signing. GMAC must approve
>lease. Mileage charge of $.20 per mile over 36,000 miles.
>Lessee is responsible for excessive wear and use. Payments
>may be higher in some states. Delivery must be taken from 
>participating dealer stock by 3/31/99. This is a special 
>GMAC program.
>
>Bravada, Cutlass, Eighty Eight, Intrigue and Silhouette are
>registered trademarks of General Motors Corp. Alero is a 
>trademark of General Motors Corp. SmartTrak is a registered
>trademark of General Motors Corp. 
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:25:39 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: NASCAR Configurations

Actually, it wouldn't be hard to convert it to an Olds topic as
I have been researching this same info (somewhat half-heartedly)
for a couple different car buildup ideas I've got for the future.
Not being the type to leave a car factory or restored I've been
dreaming of building a car that would be to Winston Cup as
Pro Street is to Pro Stock.

I envision taking a rusted out hulk, cutting the sides off, and forming
them out of sheet steel like the Nascar guys do.  Could get the
car for cheap, put in your own tube frame and floors and have a
truly unique Olds.  My other brainstorm is to build an Olds for the
Silver State Classic.  Be the first one on your block to have a
certified 200+ mph Olds!  Could do both with one car.  Anybody
else ever have similar thoughts?

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

>Since it would be hard to convert this to an Olds topic, please respond to
>me privately at any of the e-address below in my SIG. I assure you my
e-mail
>has been corrected so I am VERY interested in what you have for me. From
>experience and mechanical facts, to product suppliers and sponsoring.
Anyone
>have any actual experience from hanging out at the owners shops to being on
>a crew?
>

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:31:05 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket????

Hi Thomas,
   You da man! And yes Wildcats are neat. I like an occasional Native
American also :-)
Gene

>Okay, let's see if I got this.  The rodent is RAT (Chevy), the reptile is 
COBRA
>(Ford), and the enormous mammal is ELEPHANT (Chrysler's Hemi).  Am I right?  
Ya
>gotta admit, though.  Buick's WILDCAT is a cool nickname, too.
>
>--
>Thomas P. Smith
>1971 Cutlass S 350
>smithtp@ix.netcom.com
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:33:11 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: MSD Ignition?

This is an often overlooked aspect of the benefits of an HEI.  
Namely the larger cap.  MSD sells a setup called CapADapt
that will adapt a larger cap to just about any distributor.  I'm
sure others make a similar setup but the key is the larger cap
to prevent cross firing and carbon tracking.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

>I ended up with both: An MSD triggered by an HEI.  Best setup I've ever
>used.
>

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:15:25 -0500
From: Rich Inacker <rinacker@voicenet.com>
Subject: Re: Cam For 330

>Lunati Bracket Master II - 224/234 @ .050, .496/.520 lift.

IMHO, that's a little big for a predominantly street-driven 330 and .520
might be pushing it a bit if you're using stock rocker arms. Something
along the lines of: 216/226 @ .050, .488/.496 lift would be as hot as I'd
go. Why put up with a crappy idle and poor vacuum for an extra 10-15 horses
when with the 150HP nitrous kit you've got plenty of power at the push of a
button ?

Don't forget the 45 degree bank angle with most 330s. If I recall
correctly, only the 67 330s had the later 39 degree angle as did the 350s.

Rich
- -----
rinacker@voicenet.com (Rich Inacker)
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:38:22 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cam For 330

330s have the same bank as 350's, all of em

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:40:13 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: New member, and a small prob(long)

<snip>
>The brakes on it, the pedal sinks a little less then halfway before the
>brakes grab. I have replaced the master cylinder/power booster because both
>were bad. Before I did, it had barely any pedal, and I was scared to drive
>it on the freeway. Im still kinda wondering about the brakes, even though
>my dad tried to assure me that Oldsmobiles never have great brakes by
>telling me the pedal on his '66 4-4-2(does anybody know EXACTLY what Olds
>meant that to stand for?????) was never really there. Im skeptical about
>this. Could someone tell me what the problem, if any, is? I have bled this
>system about 30 times.

Do you have front disc's or drums?  Does it pull to either side?
Assuming you have drum's (most common) I would check the
adjusters especially if the car ever sat for a length of time.  Short
version is that as the material on the shoes wear the adjusters move
the shoes out towards the drums so that there is less lag time between
when you hit the pedal and when the shoes contact the drum.  If the
car sat is possible that the adjusters on both sides have frozen up
where usually only one does which causes a pull to one side.  Once
you pull the drum off, see if you can rotate the star looking collar
running between the bottom of the front and rear shoes.  If it won't
budge pull it out and soak it in penatrating fluid.  Some vice grips
will usually seperate it, use a wire brush to clean the threads, and
use anti-sieze when you put it back together.  Good time to check
the rears also and look for signs of leakage behind the dust boots
on all 4 wheel cyls.

>Also theres a small pipe coming off the exhaust that
>connects to the aircleaner, for whatever reason. Could someone tell me what
>that is for, and do I need it?

This pipe is for cold start.  If you look in the snorkel of the air cleaner
you
will see a flapper valve.  This is controled by vacuum, and should be
plumbed
by vacuum line to a thermally controlled vacuum switch.  Normally on old
cars
this doesn't work but the idea is to draw air over the exhaust manifold to
warm it up before it goes into the motor which helps cold start.  If you
start
it up cold and the valve doesn't shut then you won't miss the tube if you
took it out since it's not functioning.  Going to an open element air
cleaner
would eliminate this also, you would just have to give it a bit longer to
warm up when it's really cold.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:48:49 -0500
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: bad news

Ok List,

My mechanic just told me I probably just spun a bearing on my 67 Cutlass
330.  We haven't pulled the motor apart yet, but I tend to believe him. 
What should I expect to find when we do pull the motor apart, and
generally speaaking, what do I need to replace and what can be
salvaged?  I have leads on several other 330's and 400's in varying
conditions, I'm just trying to explore all my options.  Any input would
of course be greaatly appreeciated!

Art Hoffmann
67 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:45:23 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: New member, and a small prob(long)

You shouldnt have that aircleaner thing on a 66 anyways, 68 was the first year

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:48:37 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: bad news

I don't really know, but thats horrible!!! Poor 330!! I love my 330, and I
hate to hear about them being hurt, fix it!!If not, I can get you a 330, 350,
400 early, 400 late, 425, or a 455, I know where they all are.
Kelly Erickson
1966 Cutlass
1954 Super 88
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/Olds442z/
Gutlass66@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 22:58:07 EST
From: Jetaway4sp@aol.com
Subject: Casteele- The Rest of the Story

I was temporarily off the list last month when I received a final accounting
of the Penny Casteele/OCA episode.

Was it discussed here on the list?

Have any of you had full reports at you chapter meetings?

Randy in Oklahoma
57 88 J2

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 21:07:46 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Burnouts (TEMP SPARES)

Me and a couple of my friends put a set of temp spares on a '86 Cutlass and
tried a bunch of burn-out.  MAN, did they ever smoke.  We left a 50 foot
THICK line (one only, though) with the little 305 which can't really spin
the tires even a bit with stock 205/75/14s.  TONS of smoke.  We did it in a
mall parking-lot, on a deserted part.  Had a few people (guys in nice
trucks) show up and comment about it.  Never saw much use for those cheap
spares, but I guess I have found their true meaning.  It was awesome.  I
would be scared of putting those pizza-cutters on my 455 Delta.  With the
posi, we could get awesome smoke, but might blow the engine.

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:05:13 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re: Ink

I didn't go to Carlisle but I did go to London Ont. did you go to that show
as well ?
I'm 6' and about 205 so it might have been someone else.

Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme


- -----Original Message-----
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: February 13, 1999 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: Ink


>jason shreve wrote:
>>
>> I almost got the rocket emblem on my ankle.  You know like the one in
>> the center of the sport wheel.
>>
>> >I was wondering if any of you Oldsnuts had ever thought about or
>> considered
>> >getting a Olds related tattoo or something related to your car. About 3
>> >years ago I had the Olds logo from my 80 Cutlass tattooed on my arm I
>
>Were you at Carlisle last year?  Are you about 250lbs 6'+ tall?
>The reason I ask is last year I saw a guy there with the old Olds logo
>tattooed on his arm...
>
>--
>Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
>71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
>95 Aurora
>OCA# 30442
>
>*****************************************************
>* visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
>*****************************************************

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:09:57 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re: Ink

I might have one this week that I could send out if you would like to see
it.
I am thinking of getting the Oldsmobile script or the Cutlass script put
under it, maybe in the spring.

Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme


- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Reilly <wjreilly@erols.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: February 13, 1999 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: Ink


>So do you have any pics that we can see of the Olds tattoo??
>
>Did anyone else fess up to showing their true love of Oldsmobiles by
>permanently marking themselves forever with a Rocket?
>
>That just might have to be my next one. ;-)
>
>Bill Reilly
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: R. Grant <kgrant442@home.com>
>To: olds list CA <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 10:19 PM
>Subject: Ink
>
>
>>I was wondering if any of you Oldsnuts had ever thought about or
considered
>>getting a Olds related tattoo or something related to your car. About 3
>>years ago I had the Olds logo from my 80 Cutlass tattooed on my arm I was
>>wondering if I was the only nut out there that had something like this
>done.
>>If you have a picture of any tattoos related to Olds I would like to put
>>them up on my site.
>>
>>Thanks
>>Kevin Grant
>>80 Cultass Supreme
>>http://members.home.net/kgrant442/
>>kgrant442@home.com
>>
>>
>

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:25:13 EST
From: Stakin@aol.com
Subject: Re: NASCAR Configurations

 you write:

<< My other brainstorm is to build an Olds for the
 Silver State Classic.  Be the first one on your block to have a
 certified 200+ mph Olds!  Could do both with one car.  Anybody
 else ever have similar thoughts? >>

Oh do I !!!!!!   I have often thought of doing just that with a 70 f-85 . Drop
the body down over the frame ( ala Smokey Yunik 66 chevelle )  Del Alum
bushings in the back with Edelbrock control arms and disc brakes, Up front use
F-body spindels with tubular contol arms and the fattest sway bars available.
Id then take the turn signals out and run cooling ducts to the front discs out
of them. THen Id block off the other openings in the fromt bumper to limit the
air under the hood .  For the motor Id build a roller cam aluminum headed 350
ran through a Doug Nash ( oops Richmond ) 5 speed . Then Id paint it up just
like a Ralley 350 except Id paint it black with purple accent stripes. Theres
more but Ill stop now before I loose control :-)     Anybody ever remeber
reading Firefox of the freeway ?  AN article in HotRod about a mustang
fastback.  Well thats when the thought of such a rocket started for me.

Joe

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:39:32 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Straight 8: History Question

1948

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 20:59:20 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New member, and a small prob(long)

He was talking about a 68!!  His dads car is a 66. Pay attention.



>You shouldnt have that aircleaner thing on a 66 anyways, 68 was the 
first year
>


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:01:26 EST
From: Dan442Olds@aol.com
Subject: A Tale of Two Cars

Today is a great day in my life.  I finally got rid of my 1994 Chrysler
Concord.  In September 1993 I bought it and my sister bought a 1994 Cutlass.
Her car still runs great and aside from oil changes, only a wire that shorted
out and kept the transmission in low gear has been the only trip to the shop.
It has over 110,000 miles on it.  Still runs like new.
When I bought the Chrysler, It took a while to find a dealer that would sell
from invoice, most wanted full list because it was such a high- demand, well-
styled, well- enginered car, etc, etc, etc. You know, the usual car salesmen
crap.  I felt very unsure about this deal, having always driven GM, but my
wife loved the car so I finally gave in, said "Why not, we only live once"
and ordered the car with all options available.  I did buy a extended warrenty
for 75,000 miles, something else I had never done.
It was a real good car for about 25,000 miles and then it started to fall
apart.  It leaked all fluids, the 3.5 motor ate spark plugs & wires , heater &
A/C worked sometimes, and on and on.  Got to know the service manager real
well, his kids names, what grade they were in, mothers maiden name, you know,
the whole bit.
Perhaps the most unique problem was when the right rear torsion bar broke
while driving on the highway at 60 mph.  Presto! Instant rear stearing, but
just on one side, and you couldn't control the direction.  This happened when
my 16 year old daughter was driving it.  Luckly, I was with her.  Scared her
to death, and me.  The car was into the extended warrenty and the dealer
assured me it would pay.  Well, it didn't. I did.  
At 78,000 miles the engine spun a rod bearing.  This is a car that has had
regular oil changes, the best of care, and never burned oil, just leaked it.
Of course it was out of warrenty.  I had to let the dealer rebuild it since
all the good (and cheaper) mechinecs at the independant garages refuse to work
on Chryslers.  At 82,000 miles the transmission thrashed.  Needless to say, I
spent several thousand dollars on this car.  Also, the engine took 6 weeks
because of a so-called shortage of parts.  I guess the factory just can't
build and ship overhaul kits fast enough.  During the engine rebuild, I did
get a letter from Chrysler telling me that they were extending the warrenty on
the battery for a extra year.  Big deal, the orginal battery had gone bad a
year before and I replaced it with one from Wal-Mart.
I guess the biggest insult is when you go to sell a Chrysler Product.  No
matter how well they have been taken care of, the trade-in value (or selling
price) is pitiful.  It dosen't matter if it has a new motor and/or trans or
whatever.  Its a Chrysler, and that's enough.  
I just pray that The Lord will grant me the good sense to never have anything
to do with Chrysler again.  I probably would have ended up in a padded room if
I didn't have the 442 to drive.
Thanks,

Dan442olds

  

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:04:19 EST
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: NASCAR Configurations

In a message dated 2/13/99 9:29:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mbloomer@mindspring.com writes:

<< Not being the type to leave a car factory  >        

               This is a good topic. I have been planning to convert my 90
Cutlass Supreme to a rear wheel drive. I think it would be neat to have a 455
power "w" body.  I am have not won the lottery or anything ( at least i don't
think i have), so i will plan this out and actually do this when i get another
car to replace it. There is 2 lines of thought in doing this. First, find a GM
car with a simialar wheel base and width, and just drop the 90 body on it. Of
course, connecting the steering and other details would need to be worked out.
Plan two is have a square tube frame special for the body. I know some circle
track guys, so finding somebody to made a frame should not the a problem. I
have no idea yet what kind of labor that would be . I like this idae alot. I
feel it would be a fun project. I don't plan to make it a Pro-street full
blown, rac only car. I would like to keep the cars street-able.........SCOTT

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:11:55 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: New member, and a small prob(long)

im not slow, just stupid

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:17:43 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Igor, give your link to bryceman

You should put it on there, and tell him to put it on the Virtual car show,
he'll but "81 Delta 88" and "81 Regancy 98". You'll get more hits on your
page, and im sure more people would love to hear your very *orignal* idea for
Olds muscle

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:25:11 EST
From: RNenno@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Club of Fla swap meet at Old Town (2/13)

It was Saturday the 13th.  I hope you got the word in time.  

Rob

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:34:21 EST
From: Oldsfire@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rocket????

To my knowledge all Olds V8's thru 1976 at least were called Rockets by
Oldsmobile!!

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:48:47 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rocket????

yeah, 1949 was the first year, 303ci Rocket V-8, and 1989 was the last year
for the 307rocket, i think
dont mark my word
Kelly erickson

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:28:51 -0500
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Rocket????

In general, any OHV Oldsmobile-built V8 engine is referred to as a 'Rocket'
motor.  1949 was the first year (303 cui., like Kelly said); the 1990 307
cui. was the last one...and still topped with a good 'ole Q-jet!  :-)  The
last GM (or American?) V8 to use a carburetor, in fact.

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://members.xoom.com/jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Gutlass66@aol.com <Gutlass66@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 12:50 AM
Subject: Re: Rocket????


>yeah, 1949 was the first year, 303ci Rocket V-8, and 1989 was the last year
>for the 307rocket, i think
>dont mark my word
>Kelly erickson

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:31:28 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: New member, and a small prob(long)

Ben Markert wrote:
> 
> Hello to all, I thought I might as well introduce myself. I'm new to this
> list, but not mailing lists, I was part of an AMC list for the better part
> of almost 2 years. Im a 17 year old from South Texas, and I drive a '68
> Cutlass "S", all original, with new seat upholstery. I bought it for $700
> from a guy my dad works with. 

He doesn't have another for that price does he :))?

> I love this car! The loose power steering is
> something to get used to though. 

Yeah, but I love the feel of using 1 finger to "twirl" the wheel around
corners.

> I have a small question about this car.
> The brakes on it, the pedal sinks a little less then halfway before the
> brakes grab. I have replaced the master cylinder/power booster because both
> were bad. Before I did, it had barely any pedal, and I was scared to drive
> it on the freeway. Im still kinda wondering about the brakes, even though
> my dad tried to assure me that Oldsmobiles never have great brakes by
> telling me the pedal on his '66 4-4-2(does anybody know EXACTLY what Olds
> meant that to stand for?????) was never really there. Im skeptical about
> this. Could someone tell me what the problem, if any, is? I have bled this
> system about 30 times. 

Like everyone else said, probably adjusters.  My Olds has front disks
and they are great.  Much better feedback than many newer cars.  If you
have drums and you clean up the adjusters than you should tighten them
back up manually when you put the drums back on.  Just use a screwdriver
to turn the "star" part until you can hear the pads rubbing but there is
no dragging.  I also like to install the rubber plugs that are usually
missing on older cars.  They are available in the Help section of the
auto stores and the keep crud out of the brakes.

If you have front drums then be aware that they will fade under heavy
use.  I have been goofing around in my "other" old car which has 4 wheel
drums and they have faded to the point of being useless :0.

There is an article on my web site that talks about the 442 models
history.  It actually ended up in the 90's as four cylinders, four
valves per cylinder, and two overhead cams.

> connects to the aircleaner, for whatever reason. Could someone tell me what
> that is for, and do I need it? I have some heads from a '70 4-4-2, that
> have original Micky Thompson valve covers, and I want to use them(the heads
> are from a 350), but they are too tall to fit under the pipe running from
> the exhaust to the aircleaner. She still has the original 310HP 350-4bbl,
> but the original automatic was blown up and replaced by a turbo-350. Also
> if its not too much trouble could someone give me the torque rating for
> this engine? 

Sorry, I don't have my 1968 book yet :( should be close to 390 @ 3200 as
that's the factory number for a 310 H.P. (@4800) 350 in 1969.

> Thank you all, and I hope I have a good time on this mailing list.
> 
> Ben Markert, aka Lord Radu Lykan
> 
> '68 Cutlass "S" 350, 4bbl, auto: Lila
> 
> THM homepage - http://www.geocities.com/SilconValley/Park/5290

I got a "does not exist" from GeoCities when I clicked on your URL, any
problems that you are aware of?
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:34:23 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Burnouts (TEMP SPARES)

Yeah the rubber gets harder as it gets older which doesn't help the
wagon wheels any either.  A friend of mine used to put some old thin
tires on his cars when he tried to sell them.  It really helps the sale
if the potential buyer can lay some rubber on the test drive:))

"Igor T. '81 DRB 455" wrote:
> 
> Me and a couple of my friends put a set of temp spares on a '86 Cutlass and
> tried a bunch of burn-out.  MAN, did they ever smoke.  We left a 50 foot
> THICK line (one only, though) with the little 305 which can't really spin
> the tires even a bit with stock 205/75/14s.  TONS of smoke.  We did it in a
> mall parking-lot, on a deserted part.  Had a few people (guys in nice
> trucks) show up and comment about it.  Never saw much use for those cheap
> spares, but I guess I have found their true meaning.  It was awesome.  I
> would be scared of putting those pizza-cutters on my 455 Delta.  With the
> posi, we could get awesome smoke, but might blow the engine.

- -- 
Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:42:43 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: A Tale of Two Cars

Thanks for the warning, I had heard that those cars have problems but I
never heard so many specifics before :0  My wife may be getting a '98 or
a '99 Intrepid but it will be a company car so it's their baby when it
fails.

Dan442Olds@aol.com wrote:
> 
> <big snip>
> Perhaps the most unique problem was when the right rear torsion bar broke
> while driving on the highway at 60 mph. <big snip>

With problems like that you may not only live once but then only for a
short time.

<olds content>
My car had 2 HEI modules die and that's the only time I've been
stranded.  I've been told that HEI's tend to die if they are not run for
an extended time.  Anyone ever hear that one?
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 23:49:12 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: NASCAR Configurations

Stakin@aol.com wrote:
> 
>  <big snip>
> Anybody ever remeber reading Firefox of the freeway ?  AN article in 
> HotRod about a mustang fastback.  Well thats when the thought of 
> such a rocket started for me.

Was that the guy who had a hood made from the stealth fighter material
to absorb radar and aircraft landing lights for headlights?  His was a
6? Shelby and he had a knob to control how bright the lights were. 
Beautiful car.

- -- 
Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 02:44:48 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: badges

>  I just went to the dealer and bought some, fairly cheap to. I told them I
> wanted the Olds emblem from the truck of a 88 Cutlass and it
> worked great for
> my intended use.
>
> Everett    OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

But Everett, How much were they? Were they Chrome or Gold?

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's
Route-1, Box-615
Purling, NY 12470

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 00:56:15 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Igor, give your link to bryceman

>You should put it on there, and tell him to put it on the Virtual car show,
>he'll but "81 Delta 88" and "81 Regancy 98". You'll get more hits on your
>page, and im sure more people would love to hear your very *orignal* idea
for
>Olds muscle


Thanks, I will.  I was thinking about it.  My car is not done yet, but if
the weather is nice, I will take some better pics, scan them and hope they
come out.  Then, upgrade the page (done some changes to the car, like
air-shocks, new wheels and performer intake).  What do I do.  Do I just
e-mail him or what.  Thanks.

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 01:03:23 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: A Tale of Two Cars

>Today is a great day in my life.  I finally got rid of my 1994 Chrysler
>Concord.  In September 1993 I bought it and my sister bought a 1994
Cutlass.
>Her car still runs great and aside from oil changes, only a wire that
shorted
>out and kept the transmission in low gear has been the only trip to the
shop.
>It has over 110,000 miles on it.  Still runs like new.

Been there, still there, have same problems.  My dad has a '95 Intrepid with
almost 60,000 miles on it.  It is a 3.3L.  Aside from TONS of annoying
rattles, cheap plastic, no soundproofing, etc, etc, the tranny in the car is
no good.  No extended warranty though, so that is a problem now.  The local
shop said $2000 CAN to rebuild and "modify" the trans.  Dodge dealer is no
way as they are jerks.  As for the motor, no problems yet.  It runs great.
I just changed the water pump (minor leak) but other then that, I like it.
It has no torque (nothing like the 455, not even like the 307) but that is
okay as it is well geared for a family car.  It is sad because my dad uses
my '81 Regency with more then 250,000 KMs on the odo (and all original) to
go on high-way trips as his trans starts to slip terribly after 5 or 6 hours
on the high-way.  The '81 98 is propane powered so he gets a better ride,
more room and BETTER fuel economy.  I only paid $1500 bucks for this car
with great body, great motor and everything else.  Can't keep a good olds
down.

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 03:07:14 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cam For 330

In a message dated 2/13/99 9:36:47 PM Central Standard Time,
rinacker@voicenet.com writes:

<< Don't forget the 45 degree bank angle with most 330s. If I recall
 correctly, only the 67 330s had the later 39 degree angle as did the 350s.
  >>
My 65 cutlass with a 330 has the later cam bank angle. I was told that the 45
was in 425's ans 400's in 65.

Collyn Eastham
65 442
65 Cutlass

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 03:28:37 EST
From: Stakin@aol.com
Subject: Re: NASCAR Configurations

Yup   thats the car.

<< Was that the guy who had a hood made from the stealth fighter material
 to absorb radar and aircraft landing lights for headlights?  His was a
 6? Shelby and he had a knob to control how bright the lights were. 
 Beautiful car. >>

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 03:40:51 +0000
From: Ben Markert <radu@ciris.net>
Subject: Re: New member, and a small prob(long)

At 09:40 PM 2/13/99 -0600, you wrote:
><snip>
>>The brakes on it, the pedal sinks a little less then halfway before the
>>brakes grab. I have replaced the master cylinder/power booster because both
>>were bad. Before I did, it had barely any pedal, and I was scared to drive
>>it on the freeway. Im still kinda wondering about the brakes, even though
>>my dad tried to assure me that Oldsmobiles never have great brakes by
>>telling me the pedal on his '66 4-4-2(does anybody know EXACTLY what Olds
>>meant that to stand for?????) was never really there. Im skeptical about
>>this. Could someone tell me what the problem, if any, is? I have bled this
>>system about 30 times.
>
>Do you have front disc's or drums?  Does it pull to either side?
>Assuming you have drum's (most common) I would check the
>adjusters especially if the car ever sat for a length of time.  Short
>version is that as the material on the shoes wear the adjusters move
>the shoes out towards the drums so that there is less lag time between
>when you hit the pedal and when the shoes contact the drum.  If the
>car sat is possible that the adjusters on both sides have frozen up
>where usually only one does which causes a pull to one side.  Once
>you pull the drum off, see if you can rotate the star looking collar
>running between the bottom of the front and rear shoes.  If it won't
>budge pull it out and soak it in penatrating fluid.  Some vice grips
>will usually seperate it, use a wire brush to clean the threads, and
>use anti-sieze when you put it back together.  Good time to check
>the rears also and look for signs of leakage behind the dust boots
>on all 4 wheel cyls.

Sorry, I shouldve mentioned that it has drums all around, and does pull to
the left a little. It also has new shoes, and the drums look re-finished. I
have taken apart and cleaned all the brake parts, but the half-pedal still
exists.

Ben Markert, aka Lord Radu Lykan

'68 Cutlass "S" 350, 4bbl, auto: Lila

THM homepage - http://www.geocities.com/SilconValley/Park/5290

The Xena Page - htpp://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/2050

emails: radu@ciris.net , radu16@hotmail.com

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 03:45:59 +0000
From: Ben Markert <radu@ciris.net>
Subject: Re: New member, and a small prob(long)

>> '68 Cutlass "S" 350, 4bbl, auto: Lila
>> 
>> THM homepage - http://www.geocities.com/SilconValley/Park/5290
>
>I got a "does not exist" from GeoCities when I clicked on your URL, any
>problems that you are aware of?
>-- 
>
>Cliff Simpson
>csimpson@ucalgary.ca
>'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
>http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

Fixed it now, it was spelled wrong. My fault, I do it all the time.

Ben Markert, aka Lord Radu Lykan

'68 Cutlass "S" 350, 4bbl, auto: Lila

THM homepage - http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5290

The Xena Page - htpp://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/2050

emails: radu@ciris.net , radu16@hotmail.com

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