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Re: TADA!!! Yipee!! Now what?
RE: Chevrolet 350
RE: Chevrolet 350
RE: Chevrolet 350
Re: Z28 to Olds Segue, after RE: Chevrolet 350
Re: RE: Chevrolet 350
Engine Detailing part II
Re: RE: Chevrolet 350
1032 Oldsmobile - Need Advice
70' 455 or 71' 455
Re: Torque sequence and torque readings...
RE: RE: Chevrolet 350
FS: 69 98 Conv. Parts Car 
300 I6  was 350 chevy
Rip Off Artist
Re: Re: RE: Chevrolet 350
Re: Engine Detailing part II
RE: Z28 to Olds Segue, after RE: Chevrolet 350
Re: 300 I6  was 350 chevy
Re: 1032 Oldsmobile - Need Advice
Re: Rip Off Artist
Re: 1032 Oldsmobile - Need Advice
RE: Rip Off Artist
RE: Rip Off Artist
Muscle Car Fan (was:Chevrolet 350)
Rip Off Artist
Chis Sommerville
Re: Muscle Car Fan (was:Chevrolet 350)
Re: 1032 Oldsmobile - Need Advice
Re: Rip Off Artist
Re: Rip Off Artist
RE: Muscle Car Fan (was:Chevrolet 350)
chris sommerville
Re: Rip Off Artist
New Oldsmobile Owner - HELP!
Re: New Oldsmobile Owner - HELP!
68 Ram Air
Re: Rip Off Artist
Re: Atlantic City Car Show
Re: Rip Off Artist
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: Rip Off Artist
Re: T-Top Gaskets
Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets
Re: Drag Racing expertise needed
1974 Olds 98
250 I-6 In Olds (Was Re: Z28 to Olds ......)
Help for washer pumps
Help for washer pumps
Re: 75 H/O T-Top Gaskets
1964 Olds F85
Re: Rip Off Artist
292 Available Soon! (Was Re: Chevrolet 350)
Help for washer pumps
Olds Apology: Chris Sommerville
Re: Rip Off Artist
Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets
1974 Olds 98
Re: Chevrolet 350
Hagerty Insurance.
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets
Re: Z28 to Olds Segue, after RE: Chevrolet 350
Re: RE: Chevrolet 350
Re: Olds Apology: Chris Sommerville
Re: chris sommerville
Oldsmobile Vanguard ?????
Re: Muscle Car Fan (was:Chevrolet 350)

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:46:17 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: TADA!!! Yipee!! Now what?

I used a small bit first, carbide I think.  Then when larger until the 
hole was big enough.  It took a little while, be you have to do what you 
have to do I guess.  Good luck.  Tell me how it turns out.

>Jason replied to my trans question with this answer:
>>I used the 350 crossmember in my friends T/A  for his 400th.  Just
>pulled it back and drilled new holes!
>
>Ok...so, what did you use the drill the holes? Small bit, then a bigger
>bit...carbide bits? Is there a hole saw that will cut through the 
subframe?
>Anyone?
>
>Norm (It's getting closer..the car will soon run!) Muelleman
>ICQ: 3156478
>norm806@dialnet.net
>
>View my webpage at: http://members.dialnet.net/norm806
>Updated 2-9-99  Now with Sound!!!
>
>
>
>


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:00:54 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Chevrolet 350

Sounds about right, I was thinking it was a 300 6cyl.


>To throw more gas on the fire.  I have personally seen a first gen 
camaro
>with an original 6cyl 302 chevy motor. well at least that's what I was 
told
>about the car.


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:07:47 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: RE: Chevrolet 350

300 6cyl is a Ford motor!

Omega Man
74 Omega S 455


At 12:00 PM 2/11/99 PST, you wrote:
>Sounds about right, I was thinking it was a 300 6cyl.
>
>
>>To throw more gas on the fire.  I have personally seen a first gen 
>camaro
>>with an original 6cyl 302 chevy motor. well at least that's what I was 
>told
>>about the car.
>
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:09:13 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Chevrolet 350

Well said!  1970 was the first year for the 350 in the vette.




 In 1970 the Z28 used the Vettes LT1 350 rated at
>360hp.(370 in Vette) The biggest muscle straight six Chevro ever made 
was a
>292. The 350 was introduced in 1967 along with the new Camaro. It had 
295hp
>in the SS. The first year you could get a 350 in anything else was 
1968. It
>was available across all lines. It was the 327s replacement. They ran 
out
>of 327 stock sometime in 1969. The 307 was introduced in 1968 as a
>replacement for the 283. It lasted through 1973. 1968 was the year for
>engines at Chevrolet. That's the year they had new ones coming in and 
old
>ones being phased out. The small block chevy is so popular because they
>have made quadrillions of them since first introduced in 1955 as a 265.
>They are easy to work on. They respond very well to tinkering. They run
>forever.(sometimes). Parts are dime a dozen. And bang for the buck 
they're
>the best thing going. They can be built bullet proof. I've seen built 
350's
>pull the tires 6" off the ground in Camaros, Chevelles, and Novas. But 
I'm
>not going to put a SBC in my Olds. And I won't put an Olds in my Chevy. 
In
>my opinion there's room for both. That's why I'm a MUSCLE CAR fan.
>Requardless of brand. I love 'em all.(just about). 
>
>Next week on Omega Mans Show.. Mustang 5.0 Bashing, and What the Hells 
a
>Farfignugen!
>
>Omega Man
>'74 Omega S 455
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 12:04 PM 2/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>> get 
>>> > the 6 banger 302 (rare not the ford, only in Z28's) 327, 350, 396 
in 
>>> > 67-68  and in 69 you could get the 6 banger 307, 302(Z28 only 
rare), 
>>> > 350, 396.  Quite talking about something you know NOTHING about. 
>>> > 
>>> >last time i checked 302 and 307 were V8's not 6 bangers. i could be 
>>> wrong but
>>> 
>>> OOOPS missed the comma.  Should read 6 banger, 302,307,350,396.  I 
know 
>>> they aren't 6's just goofed up. Long day.  You got me with the 68  
307 I 
>>> 
>>To throw more gas on the fire.  I have personally seen a first gen 
camaro
>>with an original 6cyl 302 chevy motor. well at least that's what I was 
told
>>about the car.
>>
>>Chris Smetana
>>Terre Haute, IN
>>http://www.abcs.com/chris/
>>
>>1969 W-31
>>1969 4-4-2 parts car
>>plus others
>>
>>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:20:18 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Z28 to Olds Segue, after RE: Chevrolet 350

There were about 350 of them made. (Z28's)  Most of these went to 
factory sponsered racing teams or people with big conections.  If you 
had one you had something VERY special.  A friend of my fathers had one, 
but his bad also owned the biggest Chevy dealership in the area!!!


>BTW, weren't there only ~500-700 '67 Z28s?  Many moons ago, I was out 
in my
>garage, tinkering under the hood, when a young scruffy-looking guy 
walked
>up with flyers in hand.  It seems he owned one of these first Zs, and 
it
>was stolen.  He was offering a rahter substantial reward as I recall.
>I also remember being practically *grilled* by this stranger, as to 
whether
>I'd seen the car, etc.  If I were paranoid, I mighta got the impression
>he thought I knew something about the crime 

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:19:18 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: RE: Chevrolet 350

In a message dated 2/11/99, 3:10:10 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<300 6cyl is a Ford motor!>>

Truck and van engine, I think (?)


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:29:14 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Engine Detailing part II

Thanks to Joe P and Greg R, and the other helpful friends who responded to
my detailing and W-455 intake questions.

Now more questions.  I am trying to detail the engine in my 70 W-30 convert
before I install it.  I am using my W-30 Sports coupe as a guide on what is
correct.  (My coupe is a un-molested 55,000 mile original car that has been
in the family since day one. Nothing has been altered.)  My coupe has Y-72
cooling and no A/C.  It has no thermostatic vacuum switch on the intake.
My Toro GT has the T.V.S. and a intake I took off of my W-33 delta has one
too.  Acording to the '70 chassis service manual only W-30's with Y-72 had
no T.V.S.  Should my W-30 with auto,A/C and Y-72 have this vacuum switch or
not? It seems that A/C cars have this switch. I have a 1970 350 2-barrel
motor laying around that had a 4-speed behind it, and this motor doesn't
have a thermostatic vacuum switch either. It was a non A/C car too. Any
thoughts?

I am trying to do this restoration right, even though I am doubting this
car's authenticity.  Greg Rollins said that this April built car should
have the OLDS W-455 intake, buit it says OLDSMOBILE,  and my intake has a
date of nov 19 1969 on the underside.  Oh well, even if this car is a fake,
it is still fun to drive with the top down!

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 442 W-30 convert
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
84 Hurst/Olds
85 Cutlas Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:28:51 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: RE: Chevrolet 350

Drew Correctly Points Out:

> <<300 6cyl is a Ford motor!>>
> 
> Truck and van engine, I think (?)

Yup, as was Chevy's 292 I6.  I don't believe there were any auto
applications of either engine... factory, anyways.

Wasn't F*rd's I6 in cars only a 200 cid?



Tim Churchill  tchurchill@draper.com  OCA #30327  Framingham, MA
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, new a.k.a 'Old Gold'
'98 VW Passat GLS Wagon, a.k.a. 'der Kinderwagen'

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:31:00 EST
From: Beach324@aol.com
Subject: 1032 Oldsmobile - Need Advice

I have been offered a 1932 Olds 4-door that is in excellent condition with
less than 25K original miles.  I have pictures of the car and it is beautiful.
All original, never restored.  Interior is mint and exterior in excellent
condition including paint.  Car was kept in heated garage for many many years.
Seldom driven.  Runs great, looks great.

Would this car be worth the $13,000 asking price?

Larry

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:30:09 -0600
From: Gregory Howze <"ghowze@primary.net"@primary.net>
Subject: 70' 455 or 71' 455

My friend recently dropped a 71' 455 into his cut.  He said that the 71
was the best 455 year. I say that any made before 70 would be better.
Who's right?  
Scott

P.S.
Were can I get a 4 bar. carb for 10-20 bucks in STL.,MO?

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:30:35 -0800
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re: Torque sequence and torque readings...

> Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:24:39 -0600
> From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: Torque sequence and torque readings...

>>Well, I've replaced the oil seals on 1 head..but forgot to ask...what is
>the
>>torque sequence and ft.lbs/ of torque for the cylinder heads? Also for the
>>manifold?


>Don't quote me on this since I don't have my specs book with me but I
>~think~ it's 70 lbs-ft.  As far as sequence, just about anything you torque
>(intakes, heads, valve covers, oil pans, etc) should be done in a radial
>pattern from the inside out.  It makes a lot more sense, and is easier
>to use if you think of it this way.  For example an Olds head would be:

>10    6    2    3    7
>  9    5    1    4    8

>Of course, don't disregard the factory specs, but if your in a pinch
>it's nifty to remember.

Mike,
 	Just a follow up to this thread, you should ~always~ use some type
of sealant on any head bold, because they go into water jackets, and you
don't want coolant coming back up through the threads,into the rocker area.
I personally use like to use a "Marshmallow" type of Teflon liquid sealant,
available @ NAPA or by The makers of Locktite (Can't recall mfg. name), or
Just plain RTV.
	Another note is that I break up torque sequences into third, or
halves.  If the torque spec is for 90Ft/Lbs.  I'll first go to 30, then 60,
then 90.  It's it's just 45 Ft/Lbs. I'll use 23, and then 45 Lbs.  

Just my little $0.02


Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
'Austin, TX

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:34:01 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: RE: Chevrolet 350

Tim Churchill ponders:   :-)
> Wasn't F*rd's I6 in cars only a 200 cid?
> 
Yep, it was in the Mustang, in 67? I think, up from 181? don't recall exact
years

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:33:56 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: FS: 69 98 Conv. Parts Car 

Found this on http://www.oldcarsweb.com/. Thought it may be of someones 
interest. No connection to seller or site, just surfin. Regards, George

1969 OLDSMOBILE 98 Convertible Parts car
$ 350
Located in New York City

No motor or transmission, excellent interior and power windows, includes 
complete air conditioning system and radiator. Good sheet metal except 
for rear end damage. Top and bows in good condition. Many usable parts 
left. Save from crusher. Contact: e-mail katsanc@aol.com and give phone 
number and address or phone after 9 p.m. 718 445-7618.

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:48:09 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: 300 I6  was 350 chevy

I had a 71 Rustang for about a month once, (only ford I have ever owned 
and the only one I will ever own!!) I traded it for a 81 Cutlass 
Supreme.  But anyway it had a 300 I6.  I thought it was original, but 
maybe not. I know nothing about ford's.




>Wasn't F*rd's I6 in cars only a 200 cid?


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:46:44 -0800
From: Lance LeMond <lance@bohle.com>
Subject: Rip Off Artist

I was wondering if anyone on the list has dealt with a Chris
Sommerville.  A while back I asked if anyone knew where I could get a
passenger vent window(the little triangle window).  Chris emailed me
right away and said there was a '70 422 at a junkyard with the window
intact and he could get it.  I sent the money to him and haven't heard a
thing since(2-3 weeks).  It wasn't alot of money, but damn it sure
pisses me off since someone broke the window and ripped me off and I got
ripped off again trying to replace it.
I waited a while before sending this email to give the guy a chance to
send my parts.  I also emailed him but got no response.
Lance

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:49:18 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: RE: Chevrolet 350

In a message dated 2/11/99, 3:31:10 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<Wasn't F*rd's I6 in cars only a 200 cid?
>>

I remember the owners manual for my grandfather's '65 Galaxie 500 showed the
base engine as a 240CID I-6 (although very few were ordered that way.)  Later,
F*rd manufactured 170, 200, and 250 CID versions for the Mavericks, Fairmonts,
Granadas, etc.  The 250 was also base engine in the Mustang through 1973
(though again, very few came this way.)

Olds content....uh...Olds never did make a I-6, did they?


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 Midday Guy on Mix103FM
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:55:51 -0500
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Detailing part II

Tony

        Yes the car should have the TVS on it. The auto A/C cars all should
have
them. As for the intake Greg was correct when he said it should have the Olds
W-455 intake. Cars built after 3 Jan 70 should have them. We have never seen a
December BUILT car have one. The earliest casting dates are in the mid December
time frame. The Early Oldsmobile W-455 intakes are some of the hardest to
locate. We have also seen date codes as early as 13 Aug 69 on the Oldsmobile
intake.

My $.02
Jim Chermack



At 03:29 PM 2/11/99 , you wrote:
>Thanks to Joe P and Greg R, and the other helpful friends who responded to
>my detailing and W-455 intake questions.
>
>Now more questions.  I am trying to detail the engine in my 70 W-30 convert
>before I install it.  I am using my W-30 Sports coupe as a guide on what is
>correct.  (My coupe is a un-molested 55,000 mile original car that has been
>in the family since day one. Nothing has been altered.)  My coupe has Y-72
>cooling and no A/C.  It has no thermostatic vacuum switch on the intake.
>My Toro GT has the T.V.S. and a intake I took off of my W-33 delta has one
>too.  Acording to the '70 chassis service manual only W-30's with Y-72 had
>no T.V.S.  Should my W-30 with auto,A/C and Y-72 have this vacuum switch or
>not? It seems that A/C cars have this switch. I have a 1970 350 2-barrel
>motor laying around that had a 4-speed behind it, and this motor doesn't
>have a thermostatic vacuum switch either. It was a non A/C car too. Any
>thoughts?
>
>I am trying to do this restoration right, even though I am doubting this
>car's authenticity.  Greg Rollins said that this April built car should
>have the OLDS W-455 intake, buit it says OLDSMOBILE,  and my intake has a
>date of nov 19 1969 on the underside.  Oh well, even if this car is a fake,
>it is still fun to drive with the top down!
>
>Tony
>
>70 442 W-30
>70 442 W-30 convert
>70 Toro GT W-34
>65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
>84 Hurst/Olds
>85 Cutlas Salon 455 Drag Racer
>92 Seville STS
>
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:04:17 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: RE: Z28 to Olds Segue, after RE: Chevrolet 350

>> > To throw more gas on the fire.  I have personally seen a first gen camaro
>> > with an original 6cyl 302 chevy motor. well at least that's what I was
 [snip] 
>> Chris, the person who told you was mis-informed and/or confused.  If it
>> had a 6, it was *probably* a 250 cid.  I say probably because Chevrolet --
 [snip]
>Actually, someone mentioned a different displacement, like 260-something.
>So I guess it's possible it could have been bored to 302.  I've got info on
>the car _somewhere_, don't ask where.  I just thought it was neat to have a
>302 6 cyl chevy, as it's something different.

There _was_, of course, the GMC 302 I-6 truck-motor that was very popular
in drag-racing and land-speed attempts in the 1950's, which I *suppose*
could have been dropped in a '67 Camaro, but not at the factory. I think I
even recall where someone dropped one of those big-inch GMC V-6's from the
early 60's into a car, which is a bad idea gone wrong, IMHO.

Oh, and the Olds link: GMC also used Olds-based V-8's in its trucks in the
late-50's, as well as Pontiac V-8's.
________________________________________________
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http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:05:30 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: 300 I6  was 350 chevy

I know a couple things about Fords. When you turn the heater on you can
smell antifreeze real bad. And the power steering pumps on those last about
3 weeks before they turn into a siv. (sp)

Omega Man
74 Omega S 455





At 12:48 PM 2/11/99 PST, you wrote:
>I had a 71 Rustang for about a month once, (only ford I have ever owned 
>and the only one I will ever own!!) I traded it for a 81 Cutlass 
>Supreme.  But anyway it had a 300 I6.  I thought it was original, but 
>maybe not. I know nothing about ford's.
>
>
>
>
>>Wasn't F*rd's I6 in cars only a 200 cid?
>
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:05:36 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1032 Oldsmobile - Need Advice

In a message dated 2/11/99 3:34:24 PM EST, Beach324@AOL.COM writes:

<< I have been offered a 1932 Olds 4-door that is in excellent condition with
 less than 25K original miles.  I have pictures of the car and it is
beautiful.
 All original, never restored.  Interior is mint and exterior in excellent
 condition including paint.  Car was kept in heated garage for many many
years.
 Seldom driven.  Runs great, looks great.
 
 Would this car be worth the $13,000 asking price?
  >>

Larry,
That is really a subjective question. To whom? Rodded out to a streeter, it
probably would. To an aficionado of 32's it might. I have over $13,000 into my
Delta. Could I ever see that price if I wanted to resell it? I'm sure not. Not
in the foreseeable future anyway. But I love the car. Besides, what else can
you get for $13,000 that's both custom and unique?
Just my HO.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv. (duals, of course) 

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:07:30 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Rip Off Artist

Isn't Sommerville on the list? I know I've seen his name before.

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455



At 12:46 PM 2/11/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone on the list has dealt with a Chris
>Sommerville.  A while back I asked if anyone knew where I could get a
>passenger vent window(the little triangle window).  Chris emailed me
>right away and said there was a '70 422 at a junkyard with the window
>intact and he could get it.  I sent the money to him and haven't heard a
>thing since(2-3 weeks).  It wasn't alot of money, but damn it sure
>pisses me off since someone broke the window and ripped me off and I got
>ripped off again trying to replace it.
>I waited a while before sending this email to give the guy a chance to
>send my parts.  I also emailed him but got no response.
>Lance
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 16:07:36 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: 1032 Oldsmobile - Need Advice

I couldn't tell you about the fair price, but I sure would like to see
pictures of it!
Brian.

Beach324@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I have been offered a 1932 Olds 4-door that is in excellent condition with
> less than 25K original miles.  I have pictures of the car and it is 
beautiful.
> All original, never restored.  Interior is mint and exterior in excellent
> condition including paint.  Car was kept in heated garage for many many 
years.
> Seldom driven.  Runs great, looks great.
> 
> Would this car be worth the $13,000 asking price?
> 
> Larry

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:11:57 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Rip Off Artist

> Isn't Sommerville on the list? I know I've seen his name before.
> 
> 
Is/was.  Didn't he also say he had to move/sell everything because he was
being transferred to Korea? or somewhere.  He's in the military.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:18:14 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: RE: Rip Off Artist

Yea, That's right. That's it. I remember now. The dude has a web page too.
Or had. I remember seeing it. Maybe a link through 442.com or the Olds
Webring. 

Omega Man
74 omega 455



At 04:11 PM 2/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> Isn't Sommerville on the list? I know I've seen his name before.
>> 
>> 
>Is/was.  Didn't he also say he had to move/sell everything because he was
>being transferred to Korea? or somewhere.  He's in the military.
>
>Chris Smetana
>Terre Haute, IN
>http://www.abcs.com/chris/
>
>1969 W-31
>1969 4-4-2 parts car
>plus others
>
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:14:42 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Muscle Car Fan (was:Chevrolet 350)

Gene Gilpin wrote:

> That's why I'm a MUSCLE CAR fan.
> Requardless of brand. I love 'em all.(just about).

AMEN.  Although I'm definitely VERY partial to Olds, I've always had a special
place in my heart for a mean Mopar!

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:44:49 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Rip Off Artist

It's unfortunate to see this kind of thing among Oldsmobile owners.  I
always thought, since we ALL knew how Olds was treated like a wallflower
by other make owners and vendors, that we had a bit more class than
most.  Like the cars themselves.

While not personally involved with this situation, I can only hope that
there was a breakdown in communication somewhere.  We all aren't
perfect, and I'm sure there's something somewhere at sometime we forgot
to pay up with.  If you sent a check, try and see if it was cashed. 
Sometimes they DO lose mail.  If it was a money order, you should be
able to see if it was paid as well.

While I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone, I don't think that all
avenues may have been persued in trying to contact Chris.  This opinion
is ONLY based on what was sent to the list.  If that IS the case, then
yes, I agree that he should either come clean with the part, or refund
the money.  In a reasonable amount of time.  I also realize when YOU are
the alleged victim, then my opinion isn't very comforting to hear.  I've
got shafted a few times myself, and that is one reason I won't deal with
some people regardless of what they have I might need.  My principles
come before my car.  Oops, did I just say that?

So before we all start e-mail bombing a suspected Olds-disser, we should
see if he has anything to say in his own behalf.

Opinions mean nothing unless they are yours.
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:32:02 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Chis Sommerville

Let's wait a little before we bash Chis Sommerville. Sometimes things 
clear up, but I thought you may like this old post!!! <VBGRIN>, 
George
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 1999 19:01:24 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Private party buying over the net

Del with my experience it has been call the buyer and talk with them and go
for the gut feeling, been buying and selling them from the list and Internet
for 3 years now and have not had a problem on either end, just my 2 cents
Chris

CHRIS SOMMERVILLE
69 442SC
84 H/O

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:43:53 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Muscle Car Fan (was:Chevrolet 350)

OH YEA! Man I was raised on the General Lee. I had orange '69 Chargers on
my underpants when I was a kid. What get's my blood pumpin though is the
lesser know and rarer stuff. '69 Hurst SC/Rambler, '70 Rebel Machine, Hurst
Olds, LS6 Chevelles, Yenkos, Baldwin/Motions, Nickeys, Dana, Mr. Norm,
Royal, Thunderbolt, 409, 421, 427, 454, 455, ARR ARR ARR (the sound the
tool man makes). I love 'em all. But Yes. I too am partial to Olds. I was a
crazed Chevy man for a long time though. My '74 Omega did it to me. 

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455rocket




At 04:14 PM 2/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>
>Gene Gilpin wrote:
>
>> That's why I'm a MUSCLE CAR fan.
>> Requardless of brand. I love 'em all.(just about).
>
>AMEN.  Although I'm definitely VERY partial to Olds, I've always had a
special
>place in my heart for a mean Mopar!
>
>--
>Thomas P. Smith
>1971 Cutlass S 350
>smithtp@ix.netcom.com
>
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:30:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 1032 Oldsmobile - Need Advice

Not being sure what one of these cars would go for today, I think that
it sounds like a great deal. It's hard to find even a mid to late 60's
Olds with that many miles on it for a price that decent. Just my
opinion though.




- ---Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com> wrote:
>
> I couldn't tell you about the fair price, but I sure would like to see
> pictures of it!
> Brian.
> 
> Beach324@aol.com wrote:
> > 
> > I have been offered a 1932 Olds 4-door that is in excellent
condition with
> > less than 25K original miles.  I have pictures of the car and it
is beautiful.
> > All original, never restored.  Interior is mint and exterior in
excellent
> > condition including paint.  Car was kept in heated garage for many
many years.
> > Seldom driven.  Runs great, looks great.
> > 
> > Would this car be worth the $13,000 asking price?
> > 
> > Larry
> 

==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:49:50 -0500
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: Rip Off Artist

I have bought off of him with no problem, I know that he is in the army and
was supposed to be going to korea I may have his phone # E mail me  and I
will look for it
  Butch 68  442  post

Lance LeMond wrote:

> I was wondering if anyone on the list has dealt with a Chris
> Sommerville.  A while back I asked if anyone knew where I could get a
> passenger vent window(the little triangle window).  Chris emailed me
> right away and said there was a '70 422 at a junkyard with the window
> intact and he could get it.  I sent the money to him and haven't heard a
> thing since(2-3 weeks).  It wasn't alot of money, but damn it sure
> pisses me off since someone broke the window and ripped me off and I got
> ripped off again trying to replace it.
> I waited a while before sending this email to give the guy a chance to
> send my parts.  I also emailed him but got no response.
> Lance

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:55:10 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Rip Off Artist

Hi Lance,
   I had a similar experience where I sent a money order to a guy for a
part. After about a week and a half I emailed him to check the status. He
replied that he just received my payment and would ship the part out in a
few days. Well after two more weeks go by I start emailing the guy to find
out what was going on. He never replied. So after a few more tries I give
him an ultimatum; either complete the deal or I report him to the US Postal
Service for mail fraud. Then I get the bright idea to call information. I
get his number and call him. He was real happy to hear from me too. Turns
out he cashed the money order, lost my address and his computer crashed all
at the same time. He could remember my last name but not my state and he had
his wife tearing their house apart looking for my address. He profusely
apologized and emailed me the tracking number two days later. 
   Try calling him to see if there is a similar problem. BTW: I was told
that if you use the US Postal Service for any part of a transaction and the
deal goes sour then the USPS will investigate for mail fraud and prosecute
if necessary. 
Good luck,
Gene

At 12:46 PM 2/11/99 -0800, you wrote:
>I was wondering if anyone on the list has dealt with a Chris
>Sommerville.  A while back I asked if anyone knew where I could get a
>passenger vent window(the little triangle window).  Chris emailed me
>right away and said there was a '70 422 at a junkyard with the window
>intact and he could get it.  I sent the money to him and haven't heard a
>thing since(2-3 weeks).  It wasn't alot of money, but damn it sure
>pisses me off since someone broke the window and ripped me off and I got
>ripped off again trying to replace it.
>I waited a while before sending this email to give the guy a chance to
>send my parts.  I also emailed him but got no response.
>Lance
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:43:07 -0500
From: Marc Leizza <mleizza@solidworks.com>
Subject: RE: Muscle Car Fan (was:Chevrolet 350)

There aint nothing like an olds.  They have a style all heir own and I'm
proud to say that out of all of the cars that I have owned, they have all
been oldsmobiles.
In fact,  speaking of being ripped off, my 88 toronado trofeo' was just
ripped off last Friday.  Talk about bummed out.  At least they didn't get
the Hurst.

Marco

75 H/O W-30
Formerly, 88 Trofeo' 



	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Gene Gilpin [SMTP:ggilpin@wrallp.com]
	Sent:	Thursday, February 11, 1999 4:44 PM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: Muscle Car Fan (was:Chevrolet 350)

	OH YEA! Man I was raised on the General Lee. I had orange '69
Chargers on
	my underpants when I was a kid. What get's my blood pumpin though is
the
	lesser know and rarer stuff. '69 Hurst SC/Rambler, '70 Rebel
Machine, Hurst
	Olds, LS6 Chevelles, Yenkos, Baldwin/Motions, Nickeys, Dana, Mr.
Norm,
	Royal, Thunderbolt, 409, 421, 427, 454, 455, ARR ARR ARR (the sound
the
	tool man makes). I love 'em all. But Yes. I too am partial to Olds.
I was a
	crazed Chevy man for a long time though. My '74 Omega did it to me. 

	Omega Man
	'74 Omega S 455rocket




	At 04:14 PM 2/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
	>
	>
	>Gene Gilpin wrote:
	>
	>> That's why I'm a MUSCLE CAR fan.
	>> Requardless of brand. I love 'em all.(just about).
	>
	>AMEN.  Although I'm definitely VERY partial to Olds, I've always
had a
	special
	>place in my heart for a mean Mopar!
	>
	>--
	>Thomas P. Smith
	>1971 Cutlass S 350
	>smithtp@ix.netcom.com
	>
	>
	>
	>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:57:11 -0500
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: chris sommerville

I bet that ther is a mix up on his part .I have met the guy and do know
that he was with the M Ps  at fayettville N C  they frown on people
cheating others and I am sure that they would jump all over him if that
was the case,. I bet that there is just a delay in millitary mail.
Butch

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:00:48 -0800
From: Lance LeMond <lance@bohle.com>
Subject: Re: Rip Off Artist

Mike,
What you said is true.  I didn't want to start bashing Chris if it's a
mistake.  That is why I waited a while before emailing the list.  Before I
actually sent the money we emailed each other quite a bit.  The responses to
each other email was very timely.
But as soon as I sent the money... no more response.
Lance

"Mike Rothe." wrote:

> It's unfortunate to see this kind of thing among Oldsmobile owners.  I
> always thought, since we ALL knew how Olds was treated like a wallflower
> by other make owners and vendors, that we had a bit more class than
> most.  Like the cars themselves.
>
> While not personally involved with this situation, I can only hope that
> there was a breakdown in communication somewhere.  We all aren't
> perfect, and I'm sure there's something somewhere at sometime we forgot
> to pay up with.  If you sent a check, try and see if it was cashed.
> Sometimes they DO lose mail.  If it was a money order, you should be
> able to see if it was paid as well.
>
> While I'm not trying to make excuses for anyone, I don't think that all
> avenues may have been persued in trying to contact Chris.  This opinion
> is ONLY based on what was sent to the list.  If that IS the case, then
> yes, I agree that he should either come clean with the part, or refund
> the money.  In a reasonable amount of time.  I also realize when YOU are
> the alleged victim, then my opinion isn't very comforting to hear.  I've
> got shafted a few times myself, and that is one reason I won't deal with
> some people regardless of what they have I might need.  My principles
> come before my car.  Oops, did I just say that?
>
> So before we all start e-mail bombing a suspected Olds-disser, we should
> see if he has anything to say in his own behalf.
>
> Opinions mean nothing unless they are yours.
> Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:19:00 -0600
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: New Oldsmobile Owner - HELP!

Okay - who's up to the challenge of helping a new Oldsmobile owner start
restoration of a 68 Cutlass "S'" convertible???

Any takers???

Specs.

350		original
2 bbl		off a 1972 something
Emissions	stripped off already
transmission	Jetaway (I think) - 2 speed - leaks like a sieve
body		clean and straight - absolutely no rust ( I mean it!!)
top/interior	looks okay - works okay

It's a looker with the top down on a sunny day.  Definitely needs some
work to pretty up the grilles, interior dash/doors, etc. - wheels would
be better than the current hubcaps.

Runs good.....kind of.....has a ping I can't get rid of (new plugs,
wires, distributor, points, condenser, adjust timing, adjust dwell, etc.
- - tried octane booster).  But it seems reliable enough.

Steering box needs an overhaul and I will probably look into front disc
brakes.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:16:41 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: New Oldsmobile Owner - HELP!

Hi,

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Wonderful choice! I have excactly the same car, except that I have some 
more rust and no interior and no top... Ask all the question you can 
think of, this incredible mailinglist will be able to answer them! Go 
check on the FAQ (you find them on www.442.com) to get an idea. For ex. 
there is lots of info about disc brakes conversion, wheel styles and 
everything else you might be interested in when fixing up your baby!

Regards, George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com wrote:

> Okay - who's up to the challenge of helping a new Oldsmobile owner start
> restoration of a 68 Cutlass "S'" convertible???
> 
> Any takers???
> 
> Specs.
> 
> 350		original
> 2 bbl		off a 1972 something
> Emissions	stripped off already
> transmission	Jetaway (I think) - 2 speed - leaks like a sieve
> body		clean and straight - absolutely no rust ( I mean it!!)
> top/interior	looks okay - works okay
> 
> It's a looker with the top down on a sunny day.  Definitely needs some
> work to pretty up the grilles, interior dash/doors, etc. - wheels would
> be better than the current hubcaps.
> 
> Runs good.....kind of.....has a ping I can't get rid of (new plugs,
> wires, distributor, points, condenser, adjust timing, adjust dwell, etc.
> - tried octane booster).  But it seems reliable enough.
> 
> Steering box needs an overhaul and I will probably look into front disc
> brakes.
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 16:58:04 -0500
From: "Ostrander, Dennis P. (IA)" <Ostrandp@ia-arng.ngb.army.mil>
Subject: 68 Ram Air

   I am looking for the components to replace my 68 442 ram air.  Can they
be purchased after market?

    Ostrander.dennis@mcleodusa.net

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:58:47 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rip Off Artist

Lance I have been gone or in and out of the field with the military will
resolve your problem ASAP. Iam rather upset that you think that I would rip
you off over $40. I have dealt with several people ever the 3 years and
haven't had a problem before. If it hasn't gotten there yet I can understand
why you are upset and I would be to but this should have been settled
privately not out on the list. From now on I will ship COD and add the
additional cost to the buyer if I stay in the helping business. Thanks Chris

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:59:07 EST
From: OLDZ69442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Atlantic City Car Show

Oh yeah!

Be there Sat. and Sun.

Surely, it's the first sign of Spring.

Bob Iozia
Brick NJ
'69 442
'70 442
'67 Cut.Cvt.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:21:44 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Rip Off Artist

> Lance I have been gone or in and out of the field with the military will
> resolve your problem ASAP.

Way to go Chris!!!!  Now that's what I call a Buddy Lee....a Man of
Action!  I KNEW that it wasn't all it seemed.  Thanks for responding,
Chris.  Again, I say it's unfortunate that this sorta thing had to be a
problem for anyone, regardless of the circumstances. 

Keep in mind, however, that Lance was upset and from his accounts,
wasn't getting the response he thought he should get.  No faulting him
for feeling like he got shafted and was letting others know his
thoughts.  Let this be a lesson for all of us dealing Olds parts over
the net. 

I admire the response.  All we need is some communication and everything
will be ok.....

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:17:35 EST
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

 F CHEVY !!!!!  Who cares about there stupid engines !!!!!!!!    F - CHEVY
!!!!!

Bernie

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:19:30 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rip Off Artist

Hey Lance and anyone else who feels "ripped off"

Chris is a Dynamite guy.  He has been a great guy to me and I do consider him
a friend.  I know he is a man of his word,  and if he says he sent it out,
then that means he sent it out.

I also think that bad mouthing someone to the complete Olds list is a real
childish thing to do.  If you have a problem with him,  contact him.  Also
next time you order somthing,  get a phone number too,  just in case somthing
gets lost in the mail.

Well thats my 2 cents.

ps   Just to show you the kinda guy Chris is,  2 weeks ago he gave me a phone
number to a guy who was selling a 66 442 L-69 set up complete with original
carbs and linkage,  for $650.     Would a rip off artist do that?   No, he
would buy it and sell it for $1200.      and yes  I did buy it!

Vinny

62 Starfire
68 Hurst/Olds

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:15:43 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: T-Top Gaskets

Marc Leizza wrote:

> Yesterday, I asked about T-Top Gaskets for a 75 H/O and I got a reply back
> saying that a place called "Kanters" should have them and that they
> advertise in hemmings but I couldn't find them.  Does any one know who and
> where they are????

I have one of their catalogs around the house here someplace, but can't find
it.  It's one of Murphy's Laws.  "Any car parts catalog or automotive
reference manual will be become hopelessly lost at the moment you need it."
However you can find them at http://www.kanter.com  You can order a catalog
from their website.  It will take a few weeks to get the catalog.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:29:57 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets

anyone else have any input about the tailpipes?????????????

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:32:50 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Drag Racing expertise needed

.02 cents worth of nothing, 
At Okla. City Regionals I knocked out the side of the block. Running 5.13
gears with 13" slicks I had went thru 1st, 2nd, and about halfway though
third gear when I lost a cyn, put in the clutch, killed the engine and
coasted though the traps, turned a 10.18 @ 91 mph and qualified in the # 14
spot. Since I did not bring along another engine I was done.  I failed to
tell the NHRA guys and I didn't realize I was still qualified for the
Sunday Finals. We stayed in town to watch the races and the next day the
track announcer kept calling me to the line, luckily the 17th fastest
qualifier was still there to jump into the #16 spot. This was in the early
70s and a great time for Pro Stock was about 9.60. Where I am going with
this is the first 5/8 of that 1/4 mile is where it's all at. ET, NOT SPEED,
for whats' it's worth, those first 330 feet mean a great deal.
Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net


- ----------
> From: Mike Bloomer <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Drag Racing expertise needed

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:32:22 -0600
From: inovator@agriculture.com (Grant Mangold)
Subject: 1974 Olds 98

What's value range of 1974 Olds 98 Regency Coupe, cranberry/black, 455,
loaded, 50,000 miles, excellent condition, 2nd owner. Email inovator@ncn.net
call 712-296-3615 or 3211 or 3737
=========================================================
Grant Mangold, Editor, Successful Farming's *@gInnovator* 
Satellite office: PO Box 1 / 774 South River Road West, Linn Grove, Iowa USA
51033-0001 Phone/Fax 712-296-3615 Email innovator@agriculture.com (or
gmangold@mdp.com) 
Web via @griculture Online http://www.agriculture.com/technology/

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:32:26 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: 250 I-6 In Olds (Was Re: Z28 to Olds ......)

On a slightly related thread, Grace was originally an inline 6 powered 71
Cutlass.  Talk about stripped, no power steering, power brakes, A/C, carpet,
3-speed on the column, about as plain as you could get one.

Sometime when I get the chance to write down the VIN I'll have to see if she
was a Cutlass or a Cutlass 'S', which is what I tell everybody she is.  I do
know she originally came from California, assembled in Fremont.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:36:56 -0500
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: Help for washer pumps

The washer pumps on my 77 Olds Cutlass "S" have not worked for some time
now. There is some noise when the wash button is pressed but no fluid
squirts out. Has anyone ever dealt with this before?? I've seen washer pump
repair kits but am not sure if thats the way to go or replace the 2 pumps
altogether. If replacing them are new ones available?? And where from??

Also when once trying to remove the pumps from my car I had the hardest time
removing the mounting screws. Any tips??

Thanks to all,

AAron 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:39:30 -0500
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: Help for washer pumps

The washer pumps on my 77 Olds Cutlass "S" have not worked for some time
now. There is some noise when the wash button is pressed but no fluid
squirts out. Has anyone ever dealt with this before?? I've seen washer pump
repair kits but am not sure if thats the way to go or replace the 2 pumps
altogether. If replacing them are new ones available?? And where from??

Also when once trying to remove the pumps from my car I had the hardest time
removing the mounting screws. Any tips??

Thanks to all,

AAron 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:36:07 EST
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: 75 H/O T-Top Gaskets

Hi, Marco. Would you be interrested in an N.O.S. Harman tach. This is the
company that made the digital tach for the 73-75 H\O`s. It`s new in the box, I
did take it out to make sure it works, because the box is in bad shape. The
only diference in this tach, from the H\O unit is the glass. The H\O unit has
an H\O insignia on it where this says Harman. I`ve seen nonworking tachs for
250.00 and up, I want 300.00. If your interrested please let me know, I will
be putting a bunch of stuff in the Thunder & Lightning soon. Thanks. Dennis
w451973@aol.com  

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:39:35 -0600
From: inovator@agriculture.com (Grant Mangold)
Subject: 1964 Olds F85

What's value range of 1964 Olds F-85 Sport Coupe, 325 engine, auto, bench,
repainted gunmetal gray, burgundy interior (seats bad rest OK). Straight
body, slight rust (under paint). Black 79 rally wheels or orig hubcaps.
150,000 miles. Runs great (always has). Email inovator@ncn.net or call
712-296-3615 or 3211 or 3737. Thank you! - GM
=========================================================
Grant Mangold, Editor, Successful Farming's *@gInnovator* 
Satellite office: PO Box 1 / 774 South River Road West, Linn Grove, Iowa USA
51033-0001 Phone/Fax 712-296-3615 Email innovator@agriculture.com (or
gmangold@mdp.com) 
Web via @griculture Online http://www.agriculture.com/technology/

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:46:21 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Rip Off Artist

Ok, ok, before Greg hops in and smacks all of us, now Lance and Chris
are back in contact again, and all seems like it should turn out fine. 
I know I put my 2 cents in also, not faulting anyone,  but before we all
go and make a long thread about it, and Greg beats us up, then
testimonials leaning to one side or the other need to end.  I, nor I
think any other member of this list would consider Chris to be a bad
guy.  Things like this happen from time to time, and as long as it's
resolved fairly, it's ok.  God forbid Chris isn't that vendor that seems
to be bad mouthed a lot on here for service.

Alrighty, back to Oldsmobiling.....
I was just wondering if anyone on the list by chance would HAPPEN to
have those little plastic end pieces in the rear package shelf for the
mid 80s G-body 2 dr.  I know this isn't the G-list, but figured I'd ask
anyway.
Any color would do, just as long as they're not all corroded or broken. 
Of course, gray being the preferred color.... :)

Plus, if any 69 Cutlass/442/h/o owners are out there, and have used the
interior vinyl from anyone, what is your take on this?  Mine's ok, but
the front driver's seat could MAYBE use a bit of a touchup in a short
while.  Also, what about the door panels?  Are they worth it?  Slight
warping, but not bad, but I like to know what my options are.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:39:17 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: 292 Available Soon! (Was Re: Chevrolet 350)

If anyone wants to duplicate this feat (302 I-6), I'll have a 292 available
soon, replacing it with a C-word 350 from another truck.  I'd rebuild it, but
the 350 is a low mileage rebuild and it costs more for the I-6 rebuild kit
than one for the 350.  It's great for fogging against mosquitos......:-)

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:43:58 -0500
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: Help for washer pumps

The washer pumps on my 77 Olds Cutlass "S" have not worked for some time
now. There is some noise when the wash button is pressed but no fluid
squirts out. Has anyone ever dealt with this before?? I've seen washer pump
repair kits but am not sure if thats the way to go or replace the 2 pumps
altogether. If replacing them are new ones available?? And where from??

Also when once trying to remove the pumps from my car I had the hardest time
removing the mounting screws. Any tips??

Thanks to all,

AAron 

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 15:42:05 -0800
From: Lance LeMond <lance@bohle.com>
Subject: Olds Apology: Chris Sommerville

I was contacted by Chris Sommerville.  He stated he's been gone for
while and would resolve the problem.  Although the email I sent seems to
have gotten the desired results, I may have been a bit harsh on Chris.
I genuinely tried not to be too inflamatory in the message but, I
probably should have used something other than "Rip Off Artist" as a
subject. And for that I apologize.

One thing I realize from this is there seems to be a real sense of
community on this list 'cause of all the responses, not one really
wanted to jump to conclusions.  Everyone advised waiting or another
avenue communication.

Lance

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:40:08 EST
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rip Off Artist

Hi, Vinny. Are you still looking for a 68 promo or model? please email me
privately, thanks     dennis    w451973@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:51:31 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets

> anyone else have any input about the tailpipes?????????????

If you expand the trumpets, which can be done, they will definitely need
rechroming.  However, keep in mind that I've only done this with 2.25
pipes, not 2.5.  So I'm not sure.  Once rechromed, they don't look too
bad.  This was years ago, but it still looked ok unless you knew what
you were looking at.

I have a set of Flowmaster's on my 71 right now. 2.5 inch variety.  With
Dynomax turbo mufflers.  Quiet, nice, and they work!  For stock, I'm not
sure who makes mandrel bent ones, but crinkled ones came from the
factory.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:46:22 -0600
From: inovator@agriculture.com (Grant Mangold)
Subject: 1974 Olds 98

What's value range of 1974 Olds 98 Regency Coupe, cranberry/black, 455,
loaded, 50,000 miles, excellent condition, 2nd owner. Iowa car. Email
inovator@ncn.net call 712-296-3615 or 3211 or 3737
=========================================================
Grant Mangold, Editor, Successful Farming's *@gInnovator* 
Satellite office: PO Box 1 / 774 South River Road West, Linn Grove, Iowa USA
51033-0001 Phone/Fax 712-296-3615 Email innovator@agriculture.com (or
gmangold@mdp.com) 
Web via @griculture Online http://www.agriculture.com/technology/

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:50:21 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

My 68 Camaro had a 327, 350 horse engine. I thought that was it, top of the
line, no 427s back then, at least from the factory!
Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net


- ----------
> From: Gutlass66@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350
> Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 11:09 PM
> 
> teh chevy 350 came out in 69, why do all the 68 chevelles and camaros
have
> 327s?

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 17:53:39 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Hagerty Insurance.

Please let me know if you can answer this
question!

I have before me an application for Classic car
insurance from Hagerty for my 72 Supreme.
I was told they could go with an agreed value
coverage of $7000 even though I told him I 
though it should be a couple of g's less.

Has anybody on the list ever had to file a claim
with them?  Or maybe know anybody who has?
Just want to make sure I'm not driving a time
bomb around.  I currently only have liability on
my car, and that has always made me nervous.

Please let me know if you can h*lp.

Thanks,
Kevin
Dr-Olds@webtv.net

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:09:11 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

Gene;
Belaboring a thread further, 4" bore x 3" stroke = 301.59264 C.I or "302"
Bad little mother!! They had 8 spark plugs.
Lou
- -------
> From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Chevrolet 350

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:57:41 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets

Hey Guys,   I was not the guy asking about stretching the trumpets,  I wanted
to know who had experience with tailpipes  as in where can I find the best
quailty  for my 68 H/O  


Thanks


Vinny

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:12:26 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Z28 to Olds Segue, after RE: Chevrolet 350

Old "stove bolts" were 235 C.I.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Z28 to Olds Segue, after RE: Chevrolet 350
> Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 1:31 PM
> 
> Yea, stock Chevy 6's came in 230, 250, and 292. I'm sure there was room
for
> a few more cubes.
> 
> Omega Man
> 74 Omega S 455

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:15:16 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Chevrolet 350

We have one at work, 300, six cyn, F*rd 4 x4 with snow plow. It's lovely!
Lou

- ----------
> From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: RE: Chevrolet 350
> Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 2:19 PM
> 
> In a message dated 2/11/99, 3:10:10 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
> 
> <<300 6cyl is a Ford motor!>>
> 
> Truck and van engine, I think (?)
> 
> 
> -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
>  Midday Guy on Mix103FM
>  Live audio at:  www.mix103fm.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:09:23 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Apology: Chris Sommerville

 

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:12:03 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: chris sommerville

I have to vouch for the sometimes problems with military mail -- I was
transferred in late 1983 from one squadron to another on the same base, and I
was careful to change my address on almost everything.  But the ones I didn't
catch right away were a real pain -- I received mail from the other squadron
that had been received there over a month prior to that.

Usually the mail clerks at military outfits are assigned that duty and not as
proficient at mail as they are at their regular military duty.  And if Chris
is in fact in Korea, his mail is really getting the run-around.  Just like
orders in the military, everything has to up the chain of command, from the
unit to the group to another level of administration until it finally gets
sent on to the new high level of administration, then down the chain of
command until it finally reaches it's destination.

I agree on calling him if that's possible.  If not, try e-mailing him again.
His wife might still be in NC and she might be able to get a message through
to him quicker.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:20:26 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
Subject: Oldsmobile Vanguard ?????

Hi Guys,
   It's me again with another seemingly stupid question. I always search
ebay for olds related stuff and occasionally turn up an item like a coaster
or pin with Oldsmobile Vanguard on it. Here's the URL for an example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=64487957

What is the Oldsmobile Vanguard? An antique car? An old military project?
Inquiring minds want to know :-)
TTYL,
Gene

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:22:45 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Muscle Car Fan (was:Chevrolet 350)

Thomas;
me too since they paid my rent.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Thomas P. Smith <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Muscle Car Fan (was:Chevrolet 350)

> AMEN.  Although I'm definitely VERY partial to Olds, I've always had a
special
> place in my heart for a mean Mopar!
> 
> --
> Thomas P. Smith
> 1971 Cutlass S 350
> smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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