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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, February 18 1999     Volume 01 : Number 1787



RE: Roll Call/Igor
RE: Rip off
Re: Brighter lights?
Resto $$
Re: Resto $$
Re: EGR (gag!) Q-jets on non-EGR vehicles.
Re: Resto $$
My Trunk lid is too heavy too stay open
Re: My Turn (Roll Call)
Re: Roll Call
Re: Roll Call/Mark Cornea
Re: resto$$$
Re: Roll Call
New Site - Older Rods
windows arrived!
Re: Roll Call
Re: Roll Call/BRENT ARDO OUR NEW MENTOR!
ADMIN: Bookmark This Please!!
ADMIN: Bookmark This Please!!
Re: Roll Call -Reply
Re: Resto $$
Re: Roll Call
Re: roll call
w -30 exaust
Re: Fighting on the list
Re: Oil Pressure Gauge Problems (copper)
Re: Roll Call
My Web Page
Re: Roll Call
Re: Roll Call
Re: interior swap
Re: interior swap
SB Olds Head bolts
subscribe oldsmobile
Re: Roll Call
Re: interior swap
Re: Roll Call
need stereo help please
Roll Call
Attn: Roll Call --->
Re: Roll Call
Re: Wheel well chrome
Roll Call
RE: Attn: Roll Call --->
Screen Saver Pics
Re: Resto $$
Re: Resto $$
Re:  ROLL CALL
Re: interior swap
Re: Resto $$
Re: Resto $$
Re: Resto $$
Re sorry
Roll Call
Re: Roll Call
Re: Roll Call
Re: interior swap
Re: interior swap
Re: Resto $$
Re: Roll Call/Igor
Screen Saver Pics update
Cut off tool
Re: Need dimensions for engine cradle.
olds swap
455 Igor : )
Re: 455 Igor : )
Re: 455 Igor : )

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:35:59 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Roll Call/Igor

Where've you been Igor?  Or have I just been deleting messages without
noticing who sent them?

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Igor T. '81 DRB 455
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 4:09 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Roll Call



Igor Todorovic
Calgary, Canada
University of Calgary
BComm, BA Geog degrees
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
1981 98 Regency (307/200-4R/propane)

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:37:57 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Rip off

yeah, yeah!  Kick his ass!  Kick his ass!!  Yeah!  I've got your back Lou!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Lou Biggs
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 10:09 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Rip off


Jason:
Hope you weren't talking to me, I have moved on, Oh, we may meet someday!
Lou
- ----------
> From: jason shreve <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Rip off
> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 11:30 PM
> 
> 
> 
> Cancel the check and move on!!! Shit do you not have something better to 
> do!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 15:40:21 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Brighter lights?

"Andrew C. Green" wrote:
> 
> > Do all halogens draw less juice then stock or are there much
> > brighter than stock halogens that consume more power?
> 
> I'm sure if you put aircraft landing lights on the front, there might
> be a problem, but off-the-shelf halogens are fine.
> 
> > I believe 2 where Hella's and 2 were Bosch's but I don't know what
> > the amperage or wattage ratings were.
> 
> We're talking sealed-beam headlamps, not auxiliary driving lamps, right?

These are the lights with removable bulbs inside of the larger glass fixture. 
If you get a rock chip you replace the outer part, if you burn out a bulb you
replace the small inner bulb.  They are _not_ sealed beam.

> > I'm sorry if I led someone astray, I just always assumed that the
> > ones we put in our car drew more current.  Sorry Joe.
> 
> *gack*  Wait a minute, I'm not saying you did anything wrong here;
> it's good to use a relay for lighting. I just think it's coincidental
> that the overloading problem went away when the relay was installed.
> While it is true that using the relay will drop the amount of current
> going through the switch, I think your main problem was a short
> somewhere that was bypassed by your new relay installation.

The light switch worked fin with 2 halogens and 2 regular.  As soon as we
"upgraded" the inner lights to halogen it started the on/off routine.

> 
> Side note: I've got a twilight sentinel feature on my car that uses a
> relay to turn the lights on and off when it wants to bypass the dash
> switch. The lights get noticeably brighter when the relay clicks on;
> I guess the dash switch contacts aren't as good.

I'll try to remember to check to see if the bulbs have any amperage/wattage
numbers on them.  That would really help.
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:45:20 -0500
From: "Shokouhi, Mike" <ShokouhM@nasd.com>
Subject: Resto $$

I think that's a GREAT deal, assuming they do it under 3 years.

Mike Shokouhi




Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:25:45 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Resto $$

Would the following price be fair for a LABOR (parts not included) only
restoration??

Take entire car and strip paint to bare metal
Take off front core support, fenders, doors, hood, trunk, dash, interior
(shell of car on frame is left)
Take out front window and reseal it
Take out entire conv't top assembly and reinstall
Spray primer and new paint and get the car as STRAIGHT as an arrow
Paint on W-30 hood and body stripes
Put back all doors, panels, interior, chrome,etc..
Re-install all electrical, dash,etc..
Re-install motor/trans
Car now has mirror-like straight paint and all doors,trunk, hood has
been
aligned and on the car
Car is now in "show" condition where I believe it can easily win best
paint,etc...
And other misc. items I can't remember now

All for $3200  labor only(parts not included)

A good price???
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:54:36 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Resto $$

Based on Value before / after / how much work that represents, sounds
great.

The only problem: 18 Million short-cuts that could be taken along the
way to save hours.  You'd want to either see the work / know their
reputation pretty good.

My .03 (But it's a Canadian .03, so it works out to .02)

Eric Aksomitis
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/

> From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
> Subject: Resto $$
> 
> Would the following price be fair for a LABOR (parts not included) only
> restoration??
......................
> All for $3200  labor only(parts not included)
> 
> A good price???
> Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:00:49 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: EGR (gag!) Q-jets on non-EGR vehicles.

The later "170" series carbs have different and non interchangeable metering
rods than do the earlier units.  They do not taper as gradually as the rods
in the older pre emission carbs.  The end result is less linear throttle
response.  More of an on / off effect, if you will.  At less than full
throttle the emission vintage carbs run leaner then the pre emission units,
at full throttle they are (or can be re jetted to be) virtually the same.
This helps fuel economy, but may cause some drive quality problems in some
applications.

That said, I have always found the fuel handling qualities of the later
carbs to be far superior to the old units.  About the same time the switch
to emissions occurred, they changed the float system to increase the
leverage.  A much better system that handles high fuel pump pressure and
gunk in the needle and seat  more effectively.  I have had excellent service
from the '77 to '79 units, once properly set up.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:02:21 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Resto $$

If the work is done right and within your lifetime, it is a very good deal.

Regards,
Fred
- -----Original Message-----
From: Shokouhi, Mike <ShokouhM@nasd.com>
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 5:47 PM
Subject: Resto $$


>I think that's a GREAT deal, assuming they do it under 3 years.
>
>Mike Shokouhi
>
>
>
>
>Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:25:45 -0600
>From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
>Subject: Resto $$
>
>Would the following price be fair for a LABOR (parts not included) only
>restoration??
>
>Take entire car and strip paint to bare metal
>Take off front core support, fenders, doors, hood, trunk, dash, interior
>(shell of car on frame is left)
>Take out front window and reseal it
>Take out entire conv't top assembly and reinstall
>Spray primer and new paint and get the car as STRAIGHT as an arrow
>Paint on W-30 hood and body stripes
>Put back all doors, panels, interior, chrome,etc..
>Re-install all electrical, dash,etc..
>Re-install motor/trans
>Car now has mirror-like straight paint and all doors,trunk, hood has
>been
>aligned and on the car
>Car is now in "show" condition where I believe it can easily win best
>paint,etc...
>And other misc. items I can't remember now
>
>All for $3200  labor only(parts not included)
>
>A good price???
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:02:03 -0500
From: "C Thomas" <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: My Trunk lid is too heavy too stay open

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:03:17 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: My Turn (Roll Call)

In a message dated 2/17/99 3:10:38 PM Central Standard Time,
tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us writes:

> Nope,  John's Auto parts in Minneapolis.  You are refering to Viking Auto
>Salvage. They are really great guys. A couple of brothers run it name Tony
>and Buford Faust.

Yeah, Viking.  That's the one.  Got a few parts for my '79 Supreme out there.
There was another one in Rosemount back when I was in high school (early 80s),
but it's gone now...I think.  Herringtons, or something like that (?)


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 17:22:31 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Kevin Wood
Hartford, WI
Customer Service MGR- Badger Wholesale
Electric.
Always working on a '72 Cutlass Supreme.

To Whom it may concern.  I use webtv to
view this list.  150 messages fills the mailbox.
Guess what?  Today the mailbox is full.  I am
hoping I don't get booted from the list due to
bounced messages.  I like Oldsmobiles and
Olds people, and if I get bounced due to the 
fact that there are too many Olds messages, 
thats cool, but I just had to delete a whole lot
of messages about some people wanting to
kill each other.  It seems to me that those kind
of messages should be private.  I don't really
think anybody on this list is impressed by a 
bunch of keyboard tough guys/smart*sses.
This is just a general plea to keep the ridiculous
off this list from somebody to whom it matters.

I really like this resource and most of you guys
seem really informed and friendly.  I would hate
to be dumped from the list because a few people can't control
themselves.

Sincerely, 
Kevin

If anybody wants to type obscenities to me- or
send anything of a personal nature, please keep it off the list...

Dr-Olds@webtv.net

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:24:48 EST
From: TheBlue67@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call/Mark Cornea

<< Had:  1971 442 w/4 speed-now in MI
 	          1972 H/O w/sunroof-now in IL
 	          1972 Supreme w/455 4 speed - TRYING TO FIND
 	
          ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)  OCA# 4903
                              1970 W30 (red)
  >>
Mark........ i have the poster with your 72 sunroof car on it. i love the car
and the poster. also did you happen to see the 72 4-speed supreme for sale in
either hemmings or jwo????? i think it was in minnesota but my dad called and
guy sold it already.

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:27:19 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmail@webtv.net (mark sopp)
Subject: Re: resto$$$

joe p. hit the nail right on the head."mirror finish" paintwork does not
come cheap. i paid more than $3200 labor cost,but the paint is
incredible. i watched the guy paint it gray,sand it. paint it red,sand
down to the gray.paint it gray ,block down to the red,etc.paint it black
to check it and start the process over.he painted my car black 3 times
before he said it was ready for the base coat.drove me nuts,but minga
you should see the paint job{nugget gold}.not dipped inplastic base coat
clear coat. but the beauty of rubbed laquer using todays
products.{deltron) bottom line is, time is money,and if he spends a lot
of time,it is going to cost you a alot of money. i would go see one of
his $3200 jobs and see if you like it.    good luck

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:30:50 -0500
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Lou Biggs wrote:, former Tax Accountant, Mark, hope you don't see this years
return, I was very creative.

> Master Lou
>

Lou,
Don't worry. We like creativity.
If the Olds is listed as a business vehicle you get an automatic bye from me.
(wink wink)

Mark

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:59:20 -0700
From: "Fred Orcutt" <f_m_o@email.msn.com>
Subject: New Site - Older Rods

If you're interested in street rods from the 30's - 40's - 50's you'll
definitely want to check out this new site:

http://www.jalopyjournal.com

Enjoy!

Fred Orcutt

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:03:57 -0800
From: Lance LeMond <lance@bohle.com>
Subject: windows arrived!

I just got my windows from Chris Sommerville!  Can't wait to get home
and install 'em!  Thanks Chris!
Lance

PS.  Sorry again for being so damn impatient.

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:16:12 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Nice to meet ya!
Scott Parker
Westborough, Massachusetts
'Manage the planning and distribution for a fire protection equipment
manufacturer. Drive a 71 442 Convertible on good days...

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:47:40 EST
From: TheBlue67@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call/BRENT ARDO OUR NEW MENTOR!

ive loved olds since i can remember. my grandpa has about 5 diffrent olds and
my dad has 2. there the best.......why would you wanna drive anything else???

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:59:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Bookmark This Please!!

We have had a lot of difficulty lately with people being troublesome when
they want to remove themselves from the list. I know Charley Buehner has
instructions on his web page, and now Mark Thurman has set up another page
too. Here it is:

http://unsub.tsx.org

I'd suggest you point your browser there, take a look, and then bookmark
the page for future reference. 

Many thanks to Mark for the assist!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:07:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Bookmark This Please!!

We have had a lot of difficulty lately with people being troublesome when
they want to remove themselves from the list. I know Charley Buehner has
instructions on his web page, and now Mark Thurman has set up another page
too. 

I'd suggest you point your browser there, take a look, and then bookmark
the page for future reference. 

The address is: http://unsub.tsx.org

Many thanks to Mark for the assist!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:56:30 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call -Reply

You wouldn't happen to be looking for a Architectural Auto Cad draftsman
would you ?
Always wanted to work in the US

Kevin Grant
Senior Project Technologist
EGA Consultants
80 Cutlass Supreme
Toronto Canada
(just joking)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: February 17, 1999 8:31 AM
Subject: Re: Roll Call -Reply


>Tony Molinaro
>Project Manager
>Baker & Associates
>Engineering and Architectural Design
>Aliquippa, Pa 20mi NW of Pittsburgh
>69 442 4 spd Silver w black top and interior, 70 ram air hood. 455,4.11
>rear.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:58:44 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Resto $$

Peter Landowski wrote:

> Would the following price be fair for a LABOR (parts not included) only
> restoration??
> All for $3200  labor only(parts not included)

Check the guy out VERY well.  A friend of mine had a similarly attractive
deal when he had his truck done and got ripped off.  Of course, he had much
more done than you are looking to do, but, his truck was essentially screwed
up.  Unfortunately, he had no written agreement to fight the guy with.  I'm
not trying to rain on your parade, just proceed cautiously.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 19:17:12 -0600 (CST)
From: Kimberly Ann Wandrey <kaw0006@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Hi Drew & Everyone!

I am Kim Wandrey, and I am the proud Mommy of two beautiful
Oldsmobabies: ;) 

Junior: my '72 Cutlass Supreme which was my Grandparent's car that they
bought brand new in 1972 when I was 6 months old. He has a 350 Rocket and
350 Turbo Transmission. I drive him everyday, and I am looking to retire
him soon. 

Hope: my latest purchase two weeks ago: 64 F85 and his purpose will either
be to allow Junior to retire from daily use or to be another Oldsmobaby
for the family. This will be decided after I find how much $$$ I have to
spend on the project and what condition the motor is in. He has a 330 and
a two speed transmission. 

As for me, I am the Office Manager for a computer training facility full
time and a Graduate Student studying Rehabilitation Studies in Addictions
and I am very close to graduation! I live in the Dallas, Texas area. 

(My name is Kim and I am a hopeless Oldsmoholic. Next? :) ) 

Take care and welcome aboard! :) 

Kim, Junior (72 Cutlass Supreme) & Hope (64 F85)
Member OCA & NTOC
Dallas, TX

On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 OldsRokkit@aol.com wrote:

> Just curious...how many Oldsmobilers do we have here, where y'all from, and
> what do you do to pay the restoration/gas/insurance/tire bills?  I'll start:
> 
> Drew A. Durigan
> Hays, Kansas
> Midday personality on Mix103FM, one of three co-owned Radio, Inc. stations
> here in Western Kansas.
> 

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:14:34 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: roll call

Greg is gonna slay us all!!!

But, here goes...

Thomas P. Smith  (ya'll can call me "Tom.")
Raised in Rockford, Illinois.
Staff Sergeant, United States Air Force, Ground Radio Communications Specialist
(my weapons are soldering irons, multimeters, and oscilloscopes).
Background in component-level and system-wide troubleshooting on HF and UHF/VHF
radio systems, video teleconferencing operations and maintenance.
Currently working special duty in Washington D.C. in audio-visual event
productions
THE Car is a 1971 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 350, TH350.  Originally 2bbl, now 4 
bbl.
Also have a Plymouth Voyager minivan (so the kids have something to spill 
shakes
in).
Will be a civilian again in 14 months.  Hoping to relocate to the St. Louis 
area.
Married, 4 kids, proud caffeine addict.

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 18:29:31 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: w -30 exaust

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I foolishly deleted the email that had the w-30 exhaust for sale I =
really need them. =20

LP
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:34:50 EST
From: CUTLASS442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fighting on the list

In a message dated 2/17/99 2:33:53 PM Pacific Standard Time,
costanzo@netcarrier.com writes:

<< 
 Ya, that shouldn't be on the list, so anyone who is bickering should go meet
 somewhere and fight.  That would be cool.  Then you can post pictures of
 bloddy selves at http://www.442.com/chebucto/fights.html
 
 yeah, now that would be cool. >>


Ray you are right. there is not room for that stuff on the list. As far as
meeting somewhere goes, from what I read last night on the list, and what
Jason wrote in the E-Mail he sent to Gutlass66, it would be my best guess that
Jason doesn't have the testicular fortitude to embarrass himself that way.

Jason as far as you go.... If what you said in your E-Mail to Gutlass66 was
true "I've been drinking all night" then stay off the computer until you sober
up. Thats not a reason for being an a$$hole. Thats a copout and nothing more.
Maybe you should check your alcoholic butt into AA. Just a thought.

As for the things I posted to the list in response to Jason, I would like to
apologize to the rest of the list for my vulgarity. Thanks everyone for your
understanding.

Richard
1967 "Oldsmobuick" Cutlass

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:45:13 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Oil Pressure Gauge Problems (copper)

Igor,

Copper is far superior.  NEVER use the nylon line.  The best solution is
braided stainless, but it is expensive and is not available with fittings
for the smaller gages.  The only thing I have noticed with the copper is
that it can be noisy (i.e. transmit engine compartment noises into the
passenger compartment).  My solution was to slide a length of 5/32" vacuum
line over the copper tube before hooking it up.  This acts as an insulator
and greatly reduces noise transmission.

Regards,
Fred

- -----Original Message-----
From: Igor T. '81 DRB 455 <igor455@home.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 3:17 PM
Subject: Oil Pressure Gauge Problems (copper)


>I have a problem with my oil-pressure gauge.  It leaks like nuts out of the
>sending hole (above Water Pump).  I am using plastic tubing, but no matter
>how I do it or what screw I use, it keeps leaking.  I was told that copper
>line would be much, MUCH better and that it would stop the leak.  Is this
>true.  If so, I am going to do it because it made a mess of my new engine.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:50:50 -0400
From: kelly lannigan <kclannigan@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Kelly Lannigan    Bolton,Ontario(just north of Toronto)
1964 F-85 Cutlass convertible
In restoration process (NEED PARTS!!!!!!)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:29:55 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: My Web Page

I have revised my webpage alot this past weekend . It is easier to get around
now with inner links to my other Olds areas, so load time is real quick. There
are new photos of other peoples Oldsmobiles too.More Tech info on 73s also.
Talk to you all soon!
 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">1973 Olds Cutlass 455
4speed</A>  Hot Rod Harry

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:30:04 EST
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

WOW!    another 73 HurstOlds?  cool!
dennis
w451973

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:41:25 EST
From: FREDALL@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Fred Allard	
CIO,  AFC Cable Systems, Inc. (Mfg. of armored wire, cable and modular wiring
systems)
Barrington RI

Oldsmobiles 1957 Super 88 

FREDALL@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:47:53 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re: interior swap

I put buckets and a console in my 80 Cutlass the problem is you need the
brackets off the floor of a donor car. If your car has a 60/40 spilt bench
you should be able to put the seats in without any problem but you will
still need the brackets for the console. Also you will need to put them in
the right location on your car so you won't have problems with the shifter
cable. If you would like any other information let me know.

Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme


- -----Original Message-----
From: A Sea <Myassachafin@webtv.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: February 16, 1999 11:05 PM
Subject: Re: interior swap


I have an 84 cutlass w/ bench seats I am about to purchase buckets and a
concole w/ shifter I never really did this kind of work, but dont get me
wrong i know how to work on things, is it that difficult to install this
stuff

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:09:08 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: interior swap

In a message dated 2/17/99 7:02:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kgrant442@home.com writes:

<< I put buckets and a console in my 80 Cutlass the problem is you need the
 brackets off the floor of a donor car. If your car has a 60/40 spilt bench
 you should be able to put the seats in without any problem but you will
 still need the brackets for the console. Also you will need to put them in
 the right location on your car so you won't have problems with the shifter
 cable. If you would like any other information let me know.
 
 Kevin Grant >>

       Kevin, I may tackle a similar project at a later date...my question is
about the floor brackets for the seats, from a one piece bench, to the
buckets. Are the "plates" (I assume they have welded nuts w/reinforcement to
the floors for the brackets) that hold the brackets there for bench AND
buckets, or did you have to rig it up yourself?  Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:13:56 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: SB Olds Head bolts

      Finally to the point of putting heads on the 403. I of course had the
bolts laid out exactly like I took them out, and of course they were
disturbed. My question is in regards to the 2 head bolts with studs on the
ends. The Haynes manual (the one diagram that ISN'T a SB Chev) shows the
longer of the two bolts (bigger diameter stud) on the driver side second bolt
from the front of the motor. (I'm only counting visible bolts...1-5 driver,
1-5 pass. front to rear) The other stud I have no clue. Can anyone help me
out? Thanks, Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:21:52 EST
From: CUTLASJOHN@aol.com
Subject: subscribe oldsmobile

A friend told me you might know where i could go to find chrome stuff for 
OLDSMOBILES ??   Thanks for any help you could give me... I own a 1988
Cutlas Supreme International with a 2.8 fi engine... ii\s there anywhere or 
anything made for them ??... take care... John

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:28:54 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Mark Hahn wrote:
> 
> Lou Biggs wrote:, former Tax Accountant, Mark, hope you don't see this years
> return, I was very creative.
> 
> > Master Lou
> >
> 
> Lou,
> Don't worry. We like creativity.
> If the Olds is listed as a business vehicle you get an automatic bye from me.
> (wink wink)
> 
> Mark

Sorry Mark, but he's in a different region I think.  Now if you happen
to run across one of my client's or (worse than that) my return, THEN we
can sit down discuss the Olds thread of the day and sip on some suds at
LaRosa's in Covington.  Actually I get up to the Cincinnati area from
time to time for softball and other reasons.  Are you in the Covington
main building or down in Erlanger in the other part?  See you on I-75.
Later........

Don Sowers

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:20:38 EST
From: CUTLASS442@aol.com
Subject: Re: interior swap

In a message dated 2/17/99 7:14:46 PM Pacific Standard Time,
DYeager535@aol.com writes:

<< 
        Kevin, I may tackle a similar project at a later date...my question is
 about the floor brackets for the seats, from a one piece bench, to the
 buckets. Are the "plates" (I assume they have welded nuts w/reinforcement to
 the floors for the brackets) that hold the brackets there for bench AND
 buckets, or did you have to rig it up yourself?  Dorian >>


The brackets have attatched studs for bucket seat mounting. Not sure if
possible to remove stock units. they weld to the floor next to the
tranny/drive shaft tunnel. You can order new brackets from Year One. Cost if i
remember correctly is approx. $25

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 20:32:05 -0700 (MST)
From: Steve Utick <sutick@mt.net>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Might as well jump in here too....

Steve Utick
Network Administrator/UNIX
Age 29
Helena, MT
1971 Olds 442 - 56900 original 2nd owner miles
http://www.mt.net/~sutick/olds

Probably got my love of Olds from my dad, he bought a new 442 every year
from 64 to 71.  Wish he still had any of them around.  I did get my uncles
1971 442 when he passed away in 1985 though.  Still have it and would
never get rid of it.


- -------------------------
Steve Utick
From the Heart of MONTANA
sutick@mt.net
http://www.mt.net/~sutick
_________________________

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:40:53 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: need stereo help please

Anyone who is familiar with Alpine products,could you please email me
privately?  Thanks
costanzo@netcarrier.com
Mark?

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 21:34:10  -0600
From: Al Frey <alpha1@airmail.net>
Subject: Roll Call

Looking forward to meeting some of yall at the OCA Nationals, right here in
Irving TX.

AL Frey
A&P Mechanic / Gulfstream GIV's
72 442 2nd owner.
Wishing for a 68 442 conv!

Al Frey
alpha1@airmail.net

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:43:53 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Attn: Roll Call --->

Please stop cross responding under the "Roll Call" subject. I, for one, am
trying to retain these to compile a current list of our list members. At
first it was strait forward and people were formatting their entrees nicely.
Now with all the responses to the original "Roll Call" responses, it's
getting to be a pain. BTW, I only received 128 original actual different
people. If there's supposed to be 500+ we're seriously missing many people.
How about all the rest? I figured about 10-15% might not respond but......

So how about reserving the "Roll Call" subject line for actual Roll Call
responders.  That would be greatly appreciated.  Gary.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's
Route-1, Box-615
Purling, NY 12470

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:38:06 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

I would love to see the Cutlass when you are finished live about 15 min away
in Brampton

Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme
Brampton Ont

- -----Original Message-----
From: kelly lannigan <kclannigan@sympatico.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: February 17, 1999 8:54 PM
Subject: Re: Roll Call


>Kelly Lannigan    Bolton,Ontario(just north of Toronto)
>1964 F-85 Cutlass convertible
>In restoration process (NEED PARTS!!!!!!)
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:57:54 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wheel well chrome

In a message dated 2/17/99 2:49:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,
docbob@caninet.com writes:

<< 
 I have 3 NOS Pieces of Wheel Well Chrome Part number #8702870
 I need to know What side they are for.
  >>
  Left rear  70-72 Cutlass


Everett    OCA# 1961    1961 Starfire

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:01:27 -0500
From: dclover@epix.net
Subject: Roll Call

> So how about reserving the "Roll Call" subject line for actual Roll
> Call responders.  That would be greatly appreciated.  Gary.

You Got It, Gary


Dan Jones
Wilkes-Barre, PA suburb
Medical Equipment Sales
(Hi there, Plains & Moscow)
Married, 1 boy almost 17
'70 Cutlass Supreme convert, fresh paint & body work (Non-resto) 
New Top (Pretty good)

Conv is a daily driver... by who you might ask?  M'Boy!  Hey, if he's
putting the money into it to keep it going, he gets to drive it to HS
every day. 
(But for other driving, he uses Mom's or Dad's car... Cutlass looks
COOL!, but eats gas!)

BTW, M'Boy is applying to the Air Force Academy to fly the big
ones...does this count for Armed Services coverage??

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:08:33 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Attn: Roll Call --->

yeah

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Gary Couse
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 10:44 PM
To: Oldsmobile@Chebucto. Ns. Ca
Subject: Attn: Roll Call --->


Please stop cross responding under the "Roll Call" subject. I, for one, am
trying to retain these to compile a current list of our list members. At
first it was strait forward and people were formatting their entrees nicely.
Now with all the responses to the original "Roll Call" responses, it's
getting to be a pain. BTW, I only received 128 original actual different
people. If there's supposed to be 500+ we're seriously missing many people.
How about all the rest? I figured about 10-15% might not respond but......

So how about reserving the "Roll Call" subject line for actual Roll Call
responders.  That would be greatly appreciated.  Gary.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's
Route-1, Box-615
Purling, NY 12470

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:05:14 -0500
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Screen Saver Pics

Hello all,

Well, I promised a new screen saver a while ago and I'm on it.  However,
I am trying to get the best pics possible.  That is where you all come
in.  I need pictures of the following years:

Pre '66
'68
Any decent Rallye 350 pics

Remember, this one will be a 442/Cutlass themed screen saver, so all you
full-size fiends, I'll get to you later.
Lastly, I know beggars cannot be choosers, but aesthetically speaking,
please make sure the pics are decent and clear.  I am VERY particular
about my source images.  The larger they are the better.  I start at
over 1024x768 and work my way down.  So, I implore any of you out there
who can hook me up with some images to do so.  As soon as I'm done, I'll
post it on my webpage and you can have your fill.

And as always, PLEASE make sure that all pictures come to be privately.
I'll take any and all comment and ??'s as well.

Thanks for your time and concern.

Dan Gerow

'69 4-4-2
'71 Cutlass Supreme

- --
- ------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.stonehill.edu/wshl
http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
- ------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:17:14 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Resto $$

>Take entire car and strip paint to bare metal
>Take off front core support, fenders, doors, hood, trunk, dash, interior
>(shell of car on frame is left)
>Take out front window and reseal it
>Take out entire conv't top assembly and reinstall
>Spray primer and new paint and get the car as STRAIGHT as an arrow
>Paint on W-30 hood and body stripes
>Put back all doors, panels, interior, chrome,etc..
>Re-install all electrical, dash,etc..
>Re-install motor/trans
>Car now has mirror-like straight paint and all doors,trunk, hood has been
>aligned and on the car
>Car is now in "show" condition where I believe it can easily win best
>paint,etc...
>And other misc. items I can't remember now
>
>All for $3200  labor only(parts not included)
>
>A good price???

What restorer is going to work for $32/hour? That is a *lot* of work that
you're describing there; I'd be worried that someone charging only that much
would be cutting corners somewhere. Not that he won't do the job, but I'd
definitely get references and look at other jobs that the restorer has done,
talk with the owners and see how satisfied they are with his work, and drop
in at *every* step of the process to OK the work as it proceeded.

Seriously, that's a low-ball figure, unless your car is already a high #2
condition car that just needs new paint and final detailing to go that extra
mile. I'd be concerned about the skill of the guy doing it, unless I saw
evidence of his good work.
_______________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:34:40 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Resto $$

The car was done privately in a garage setting. It was done with me helping
out(with what I can) by a friend. This included a color change and the car
originally had minor dents and only 2 minor rust spots. The car is
beautiful(I will soon post BEFORE/AFTER pictures) and I believe with some
minor detailing can be a show winner. The car was not restored to "factory"
specs, but was restored to a correct but some custimization. For example,
the column and metal portion of the dash is body color as opposed to the
"factory correct" color that would be interior color. The vinyl dash is
black. It has a 6 speaker system inwhich the speakers are hidden in the
rear side panels WITHOUT HACKING the panels. ETC>ETC>> 

Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> 
> In a word ..... YES!
> (Not to start another "my paint job cost $XXXX" war like last time but
..)
> 
> This is kinda subjective especially with the cost of living and a LOT of
> assumptions are being made, ie how many dents to be straightened.  Any
panel
> replacement (yes I read parts aren't included, but the panel won't
replace
> itself.  Your resto guy will be doing it, which means labor costs
increase)
> Changing the color of the car and you don't want ANY signs of the old
color
> (labor costs increase).  And then there's the level of restoration. 
Driver,
> show car, concours driver, trailer queen.  Since you stated
> > Car is now in "show" condition where I believe it can easily win best
> > paint,etc...
> > 
> I'm assuming it will also win Best Engine (ie labor costs for painting
and
> detailing) Best Interior (labor costs for recovering seats, installing
> headliner, etc)  and then the killer, Best of Show.  You are usually
paying
> for someone's 'expertise' when he 'restores' your car.  If you are going
the
> Best of Show route, the restorer better damn well know that the different
> brake and fuel line clips are certain colors and the correct finish on
ALL
> the little parts (nuts, bolts, clips, etc), that the driveshaft is
supposed
> to have three different color stripes approx 3 inches from the front
> u-joint, etc.  This is where your costs go through the roof.  So in my
> limited knowledge this price seems very low.  Especially since the thread
> about show quality paint jobs costing in the $3K-$4K range.  But like I
said
> it's subjective and opinion only.
> 
> Peter, since you are in the Chicago area, I'm gonna assume this is your
car
> we're talking here and some shop in the area.  Which one and where as I'd
> like to check them out?  I've talked with Bob Banker at Old Coach Works
> Restorations in Yorkville.
> 
> (All statements in this post are observation only and do not reflect
> ANYTHING other than my personal experience with this list, other
> individuals, some resto shops, other car owners who've I spoke with at
> shows, etc, etc, etc.  you get the idea)
> 
> Chris Smetana
> Terre Haute, IN
> http://www.abcs.com/chris/
> 
> 1969 W-31
> 1969 4-4-2 parts car
> plus others

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:21:56 -0600
From: "grogg01" <grogg01@gateway.net>
Subject: Re:  ROLL CALL

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:11:48 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re: interior swap

I had a donor car that I pulled out the interior out of measured all the
plates in relation to the floor then drilled out the spot welds then hammer
and chiseled the brackets off the floor pans. You will be able to use the
brackets for the bench seat then test fit the brackets to the floor with the
measurements from the other car put the console brackets in place place your
console down to see how it lines up with the seats then mark the location of
your brackets. Note need the cable mount for the Trans, it is a bit
different than the original piece. You can still get this piece from GM
about 10 -16$. Also need to replace your column you can get one from a
wrecker for about 80$
I did weld all the brackets to the floor need to get the car rust proofed
every year as the welding will cause the metal to rust.
Does that answer all of you questions if not let me know ?

Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme



- -----Original Message-----
From: DYeager535@aol.com <DYeager535@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: February 17, 1999 10:15 PM
Subject: Re: interior swap


>In a message dated 2/17/99 7:02:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>kgrant442@home.com writes:
>
><< I put buckets and a console in my 80 Cutlass the problem is you need the
> brackets off the floor of a donor car. If your car has a 60/40 spilt bench
> you should be able to put the seats in without any problem but you will
> still need the brackets for the console. Also you will need to put them in
> the right location on your car so you won't have problems with the shifter
> cable. If you would like any other information let me know.
>
> Kevin Grant >>
>
>       Kevin, I may tackle a similar project at a later date...my question
is
>about the floor brackets for the seats, from a one piece bench, to the
>buckets. Are the "plates" (I assume they have welded nuts w/reinforcement
to
>the floors for the brackets) that hold the brackets there for bench AND
>buckets, or did you have to rig it up yourself?  Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:39:05 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Resto $$

Under 3 years?? Try about 4 1/2 months!! Were talking 5-6 days a week,
about 8-10 hours a day working on it. Sometimes till 3 A.M.. Try waking up
after 2 1/2 hours of sleep...(Not Fun)

Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Shokouhi, Mike <ShokouhM@nasd.com>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: Resto $$
> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 4:45 PM
> 
> I think that's a GREAT deal, assuming they do it under 3 years.
> 
> Mike Shokouhi
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 12:25:45 -0600
> From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
> Subject: Resto $$
> 
> Would the following price be fair for a LABOR (parts not included) only
> restoration??
> 
> Take entire car and strip paint to bare metal
> Take off front core support, fenders, doors, hood, trunk, dash, interior
> (shell of car on frame is left)
> Take out front window and reseal it
> Take out entire conv't top assembly and reinstall
> Spray primer and new paint and get the car as STRAIGHT as an arrow
> Paint on W-30 hood and body stripes
> Put back all doors, panels, interior, chrome,etc..
> Re-install all electrical, dash,etc..
> Re-install motor/trans
> Car now has mirror-like straight paint and all doors,trunk, hood has
> been
> aligned and on the car
> Car is now in "show" condition where I believe it can easily win best
> paint,etc...
> And other misc. items I can't remember now
> 
> All for $3200  labor only(parts not included)
> 
> A good price???
> Pettrix@prodigy.net
> 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:39:44 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Resto $$

I was there everyday when the work was being done..As I helped out with
what I could...
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Resto $$
> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 4:54 PM
> 
> Based on Value before / after / how much work that represents, sounds
> great.
> 
> The only problem: 18 Million short-cuts that could be taken along the
> way to save hours.  You'd want to either see the work / know their
> reputation pretty good.
> 
> My .03 (But it's a Canadian .03, so it works out to .02)
> 
> Eric Aksomitis
> http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/
> 
> > From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
> > Subject: Resto $$
> > 
> > Would the following price be fair for a LABOR (parts not included) only
> > restoration??
> ......................
> > All for $3200  labor only(parts not included)
> > 
> > A good price???
> > Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:42:18 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Resto $$

The car is already finished and I was there everday when he worked on it...
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: Thomas P. Smith <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Resto $$
> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 1999 6:58 PM
> 
> 
> 
> Peter Landowski wrote:
> 
> > Would the following price be fair for a LABOR (parts not included) only
> > restoration??
> > All for $3200  labor only(parts not included)
> 
> Check the guy out VERY well.  A friend of mine had a similarly attractive
> deal when he had his truck done and got ripped off.  Of course, he had
much
> more done than you are looking to do, but, his truck was essentially
screwed
> up.  Unfortunately, he had no written agreement to fight the guy with. 
I'm
> not trying to rain on your parade, just proceed cautiously.
> 
> --
> Thomas P. Smith
> 1971 Cutlass S 350
> smithtp@ix.netcom.com
> 

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:20:03 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re sorry

Sorry didn't think about that with regards to roll call

Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2094 22:47:58 -0600
From: "Randy Voss" <vossrl@interaccess.com>
Subject: Roll Call

Relatively new to the list and have been in lurk mode for some time. This
roll call thing finally prompted me to speak up. This may be far too long
for this thread but since I'm a newbie, I'll ramble a bit...

Randy Voss, Product Program Mgr for Caterpillar Hydraulics (Joliet, IL).
Live in Oswego where I have two MGB-GT's (one to restore, one parts ...
just not as exciting as Olds thunder) to get off my property and make space
for all original Saffron yellow, blk interiored 65 442 HC. My sister was
2nd owner (have original Car Shipping Order) and my dad bought it from her
in 77. Except for the summer of 85 and runs up and down the lane, it has
been sitting in his barn (dry raised wood floor) since then. Currently
discussing price (all input welcomed).

Little brother has 75 H/O W-25 he is re-doing for the 2nd time.

With Olds dealership in the family (Voss Motors, Hinckley Il ...
Chebby/Olds dealership from the 30's to 1997) have long had rocket juice
running in my veins. Past Olds in family are too many to mention - personal
past includes 70 98LS 2dr and 75 CS. 

Have really enjoyed the on-going stream of info.

Back to lurk mode for now.......

Randy Voss- Lead, Rainbow's End Quartet

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:35:45 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmon@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Roll Call

mark sopp
kingston,pa
commercial millwork contractor                            70 442
w/<$3200 paint

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:39:38 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

'86 Cutlass Salon
Dorian Yeager
Renton WA

    Odd jobbing : ) 

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:41:59 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: interior swap

In a message dated 2/17/99 7:30:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,
CUTLASS442@aol.com writes:

<< The brackets have attatched studs for bucket seat mounting. Not sure if
 possible to remove stock units. they weld to the floor next to the
 tranny/drive shaft tunnel. You can order new brackets from Year One. Cost if
i
 remember correctly is approx. $25 >>

       Thats what I was looking for..whether the welded on pieces were on the
floor regardless of what seat was installed..obviously not. What catalog does
year one put out for this vintage car? Does it cover the 81-88's? Thanks for
the info, Dorian

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:46:35 -0500 (EST)
From: Myassachafin@webtv.net (A Sea)
Subject: Re: interior swap

thanks for the info guys

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:07:46 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Resto $$

>My .03 (But it's a Canadian .03, so it works out to .02)


Not even.  More like 0.00005 cents US.  Igor (Calgary)

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:09:58 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call/Igor

>Where've you been Igor?  Or have I just been deleting messages without
>noticing who sent them?


I am still here but have checked them only once a day for the past few days.
I have too many exams and also a person I know just died.  Suck.  Anyway, I
did put in my Roll Call.  After about 500, I just delete them (when you only
check once a day or once in two days, the list just seems to get bigger)

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:02:00 -0500
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Screen Saver Pics update

Sorry to bother you all again, but I want to let you know the cutoff point
for vehicles is '72.  Due to the body style change, I would rather not
include any '73- on models in this ss.  I hope you understand.  Again, thank
you everyone for the pictures.  I can't guarantee that I'll use 'em all, but
I do appreciate it, and I know the list does as well.  Take care!

Dan Gerow

'69 4-4-2
'71 Cutlass Supreme

- --
- ------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.stonehill.edu/wshl
http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:19:37 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Cut off tool

This is somewhat Olds related since I'm looking
for this tool to work on my Olds with but I need a
cut off tool and I can't find what I want.  Back when
I was doing frame work I had an air cut off tool that
used a 4"x1/8" disc w/a 1/2" hole.  It was fairly
lightweight and had a 90 degree head on it.  It
was a lot more versatile and controllable than the
ones with a straight head.  I've been searching for
someone who sells them but no luck.  All I can find
are the straight versions or the large, bulky ones
intended for serious grinding.  Since I just want to 
cut in some awkward places this won't work.  Anybody
that can give me an exact name (we always called it
an angle grinder) or where I can find one, I would 
greatly appreciate it.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
 

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 23:20:45 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Need dimensions for engine cradle.

Igor,
Got any contact info for these guys?  Maybe a URL?

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/


>House OF Tools has a sale on engine stands now.   

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:30:47 EST
From: Timrocket@aol.com
Subject: olds swap

hello can anyone inform me of the easiest way to install a 455 into a 55 chevy
belair? such as which what frame mounts to use and such?

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:36:54 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: 455 Igor : )

      Hey Igor, just had to let you know, ran into a early-mid 80's (?)
Cadillac Seville (the small ones....based on the Malibu??) in the wrecking
yard with a 455 in it. Talk about no traction : )  Dorian

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Date: Wed, 17 Feb 1999 22:50:58 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 455 Igor : )

>      Hey Igor, just had to let you know, ran into a early-mid 80's (?)
>Cadillac Seville (the small ones....based on the Malibu??) in the wrecking
>yard with a 455 in it. Talk about no traction : )  Dorian


Yeah.  I have trouble, let a alone a little one.

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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 00:53:01 EST
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Igor : )

In a message dated 2/18/99 12:38:13 AM Eastern Standard Time,
DYeager535@aol.com writes:

<< Hey Igor, just had to let you know, ran into a early-mid 80's (?)
 Cadillac Seville (the small ones....based on the Malibu??) in the wrecking
 yard with a 455 in it. Talk about no traction : )  Dorian
  >>
Reminds me of a '79 4door cutlass in a yard near here...  its hit in the
front, and on the radiator support it has "350" written in paint pen.  the
actual engine in the car, however, is a 455!
jeremy
BIGJERMES@aol.com

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