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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, February 12 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1770



Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: Chris sommerville
Sorry About the .JPG File
Re: 1032 Oldsmobile - Need Advice
Re: 1932 Oldsmobile - Need Advice
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: Olds Club of Fla swap meet at Old Town
Re: Drag Racing expertise needed
Washer pump + new address
Re: Olds Club of Fla swap meet at Old Town
Re: T-Top Gaskets
Re: New Oldsmobile Owner - HELP!
Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets
Re: [Sorry About the .JPG File]
Oldsmobile Engine Availability 76-88
Need help w/ ignition problem.
Re: Drag Racing expertise needed
Re: Oldsmobile Engine Availability 76-88
Re: Oldsmobile Engine Availability 76-88
Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets
Re: Oldsmobile Engine Availability 76-88
Re: Oldsmobile Engine Availability 76-88
Post message onto Olds Mail List
Re: [Sorry About the .JPG File]
Re: California emissions
Re: Flowmaster Mufflers
production figures
Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
Re: 300 I6  was 350 chevy
Re: LISTEN TO THIS C...
Re: California emissions
Re: Chevrolet 350
Steering Wheel Help
Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets
Re: Oldsmobile Vanguard ?????
Re: 300 I6 was 350 chevy
Re: worth upgrading cam in a 350?
Re: Crack in my 455 : (
Re: Need help w/ ignition problem.
Re: Chevrolet 350
chris sommerville
Re: Steering Wheel Help
Re: Need help w/ ignition problem.
Re: 300 I6 was 350 chevy
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: 300 I6 was 350 chevy
Mystery COPO and Olds parts ?, was(Re: Chevrolet 350)
why are we talking about Chevys?
Re: why are we talking about Chevys?
Re: [Sorry About the .JPG File]
Re: Mystery COPO and Olds parts ?, was(Re: Chevrolet 350)
Re: Sorry About the .JPG File
Re: Mystery COPO and Olds parts ?, was(Re: Chevrolet 350)
Re: Sorry About the .JPG File
RE: Sorry About the .JPG File
Bad running 350 rebuild
RE: Chris sommerville
RE: 1032 Oldsmobile - Need Advice
Re: Mystery COPO and Olds parts ?, was(Re: Chevrolet 350)
Re: 1964 F-85
RE: California emissions

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:55:10 -0700
From: Brian Blondahl <blondahl@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

302 was rare but it was a V8 . I have one in my 56 Chev




At 01:32 AM 2/11/99 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 2/10/99 10:23:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>jasonshreve@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< 
> GROW UP!!!  350's came in 67-69 Camaro's and Chevelles.  You could get 
> the 6 banger 302 (rare not the ford, only in Z28's) 327, 350, 396 in 
> 67-68  and in 69 you could get the 6 banger 307, 302(Z28 only rare), 
> 350, 396.  Quite talking about something you know NOTHING about. 
> 
> >
> >teh chevy 350 came out in 69, why do all the 68 chevelles and camaros 
> have
> >327s?
> >
> 
>  >>
>
>
>last time i checked 302 and 307 were V8's not 6 bangers. i could be wrong but
>i do have a 307 v8 in my 68 chevelle
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:05:28 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Chris sommerville

OUCCCHHHH!!!!! You go Lou!

- -----Original Message-----

>
>> If your in the service and you cheat or defraud someone they will nail
your
>>  *ss to the cross, so to speak
>
>Unless you're the Commander in Chief.
>
>
>-Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
> Midday Guy on Mix103FM
> Live audio at: www.mix103fm.com
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:01:36 EST
From: Beach324@aol.com
Subject: Sorry About the .JPG File

I replied to a person who wanted to see a picture of a car.  I didn't realize
that the reply was being sent to the mail list when I clicked on "reply".  I
though it would go to the individual like other mail lists do.  So please
forgive the .jpg file I've posted to the mail list.  

L

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:12:23 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 1032 Oldsmobile - Need Advice

> 
> Brian:  Here's a picture of the '32 Olds. 

AACK!! Larry!  Greg's rules!  No pictures posted to the list!  Oh man,
are you ever gonna hear about this one!  Nice car though.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:08:01 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 1932 Oldsmobile - Need Advice

Looks nice!!!



>Brian:  Here's a picture of the '32 Olds.  I think it is a beautiful 
car
>considering it's all original and in such great shape.
>


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:11:10 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

I KNOW  GIVE ME A BREAK I MISSED THE COMMA!!!!!   I noted this in a 
later post!!!


>
>302 was rare but it was a V8 . I have one in my 56 Chev
>
>
>
>
>At 01:32 AM 2/11/99 EST, you wrote:
>>In a message dated 2/10/99 10:23:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>>jasonshreve@hotmail.com writes:
>>
>><< 
>> GROW UP!!!  350's came in 67-69 Camaro's and Chevelles.  You could 
get 
>> the 6 banger 302 (rare not the ford, only in Z28's) 327, 350, 396 in 
>> 67-68  and in 69 you could get the 6 banger 307, 302(Z28 only rare), 
>> 350, 396.  Quite talking about something you know NOTHING about. 
>> 
>> >
>> >teh chevy 350 came out in 69, why do all the 68 chevelles and 
camaros 
>> have
>> >327s?
>> >
>> 
>>  >>
>>
>>
>>last time i checked 302 and 307 were V8's not 6 bangers. i could be 
wrong but
>>i do have a 307 v8 in my 68 chevelle
>>
>


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:16:44 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Club of Fla swap meet at Old Town

> Does anyone have directions to the swap meet and car show this weekend in Old
> Town?

If you're heading down the road of life in Orlando, (this would be
Interstate 4) you want to go on the south side of the big O, and get off
at the exit for Route 50 EAST.  If you go west, you go to Disneyworld. 
Don't go that way. (don't remember the exit number, I always just take
50 East all the way in)  Go about two stop lights down after getting off
the highway and look to the right.  Amusement park looking place with a
ferris wheel out front.  Can't miss it.  LOTS o' FUN!  Parking could
suck, so get there early!

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:18:40 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Drag Racing expertise needed

I have heard that cracking the block is a fairly common thing when hooking
up race car type power.  How about a front motor plate anyone ever use one?
LP

- -----Original Message-----
From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 4:33 PM
Subject: Re: Drag Racing expertise needed


>.02 cents worth of nothing,
>At Okla. City Regionals I knocked out the side of the block. Running 5.13
>gears with 13" slicks I had went thru 1st, 2nd, and about halfway though
>third gear when I lost a cyn, put in the clutch, killed the engine and
>coasted though the traps, turned a 10.18 @ 91 mph and qualified in the # 14
>spot. Since I did not bring along another engine I was done.  I failed to
>tell the NHRA guys and I didn't realize I was still qualified for the
>Sunday Finals. We stayed in town to watch the races and the next day the
>track announcer kept calling me to the line, luckily the 17th fastest
>qualifier was still there to jump into the #16 spot. This was in the early
>70s and a great time for Pro Stock was about 9.60. Where I am going with
>this is the first 5/8 of that 1/4 mile is where it's all at. ET, NOT SPEED,
>for whats' it's worth, those first 330 feet mean a great deal.
>Master Lou
>lbiggs@intertek.net
>
>
>----------
>> From: Mike Bloomer <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: Drag Racing expertise needed
>
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:26:05 EST
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Washer pump + new address

Dunno how the 330/350 reference fit in, but Karl would also like info on a
washer pump rebuild kit/vendors of rebuilt pumps.

USA Auto Supply lists them, but they said that they were out.
(Seem to be out of everything that Karl orders)

Do not need wiper motor, just the washer pump.

And now for something completely different;

A man with three legs ["he ran away!"] oh Broody Herr!

And now for something completely different;

A different Email address for Karl.

KarlAunan@aol.com

If it don't look any different, copy and paste anyway.

AOL started behaving strangely, so started from scratch.
Unfortunately, lost a LOT of info.

So if we were discussing something of import, send to this address now.

Esp. Karoe@ somewhere, LBiggs@intertek (sp), and all who wanted in on the
Great Midwest Caravan.

SOM

&KA
KarlAunan@aol.com
http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/thurlow/858/index.html
(Yeesh! lost the Olds page!)
ICQ #20414415

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:25:41 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Club of Fla swap meet at Old Town

In a message dated 2/11/99 9:15:09 PM Central Standard Time,
hurstolds@xtalwind.net writes:

> f you're heading down the road of life in Orlando, (this would be
>  Interstate 4) you want to go on the south side of the big O, and get off
>  at the exit for Route 50 EAST.  If you go west, you go to Disneyworld. 
>  Don't go that way. (don't remember the exit number, I always just take
>  50 East all the way in)  Go about two stop lights down after getting off
>  the highway and look to the right.  Amusement park looking place with a
>  ferris wheel out front.  Can't miss it.  LOTS o' FUN!  Parking could
>  suck, so get there early!

Old Town is a FUN place!  There used to be a "real live" radio station there
(WOTS AM-1220) which ran a 70s Oldies format a few years back.  Unfortunately,
the station is now automated and us jocks all lost our jobs, but the Saturday
Night Cruise is as strong as ever.  They have also added a Friday Night Cruise
for 1973-85 vehicles  (Sat Nite Cruise is for '72s and older)

And don't forget to get your 25-cent Pepsi's in the special "collector
bottles" at the Old Town General Store!

(Damn, I miss Florida!)


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 Midday Guy at Mix103FM
 Live audio at: www.mix103fm.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:31:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff & Sherie Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: T-Top Gaskets

Try PH 513-471-1409  after 6pm out of hemmings also try the www.442.com
and www.Hurstolds.com  and www.oldsclub.org see what you can find out.

On Thu, 11 Feb 1999, Thomas P. Smith wrote:

> 
> 
> Marc Leizza wrote:
> 
> > Yesterday, I asked about T-Top Gaskets for a 75 H/O and I got a reply back
> > saying that a place called "Kanters" should have them and that they
> > advertise in hemmings but I couldn't find them.  Does any one know who and
> > where they are????
> 
> I have one of their catalogs around the house here someplace, but can't find
> it.  It's one of Murphy's Laws.  "Any car parts catalog or automotive
> reference manual will be become hopelessly lost at the moment you need it."
> However you can find them at http://www.kanter.com  You can order a catalog
> from their website.  It will take a few weeks to get the catalog.
> 
> --
> Thomas P. Smith
> 1971 Cutlass S 350
> smithtp@ix.netcom.com
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:34:06 -0700
From: Brian Blondahl <blondahl@telusplanet.net>
Subject: Re: New Oldsmobile Owner - HELP!

I'd like to help out if I can. I have a 68 Cutlass "S" convertible too. I
got it out of a back lane buried in bushes. It was straight but finished in
grey primer. 2 speed jetaway had only second gear and leaked like  seive.
and all the interior was faded white vynil. Butternut yellow paint code.

It all depends on if you want to go original or not. In any case KEEP ALL
YOUR PARTS!!! I tossed a few out and I'm crying now.

If you choose to go original, then piece by piece replace everything.
Driveability is the first step then paint etc...

If you choose to modify ( I did just to make it more fun to drive ) then I
have some suggestions. 

1. I would change out the drum brakes for discs. Use later model 70 - 72 GM
A body parts Include all the parts including the master cylinder
proportioning valve booster etc. Everything just swaps easily. Later models
have to change all sorts of aother parts. 

2. I changed the power steering box to a newer one with fast ratio form a
wrecked IROC Camaro ( just bolts right in ) .

3. New front end parts springs and shocks absoloutley , completeley changed
the way it drove. alnog with lower profile wide tires. Handles like a dream. 

4. I changed the 2 speed out for a 3 speed 400 TH  with variable pitch
torque converter. Although this is neat and somewhat exotic, I wouldn't do
it again. A 350 TH with high stall and lockup would work better. Better yet
a newer 4 speed.  Yau also need to find a 3 speed console shifer cover plate.

5. Lots od places have repro parts but the junkyard still has some good
stuff. My interior was chganged to black from faded white. There are great
vynil sprays if the panels and seat are in good shape.

6. Of course a new top will help if yours if faded badly but there are good
products to spruce it up if itis not torn. 

7. Engine. ... Make sure you KEEP your original block if you want to stay
350. It is a greta block and has high nickel content so it's strong and the
2 bolt mains ( just as good as 4 bolt )  will bolt on super tight. Bottom
line ... You can rev way higher than the newer 350's. 

8> unless you want to do some serious racing, don't over cam the engine or
you will, have to  add a very high stall torgue converter and / or tall
gears and will render you undriveable on the highway.

9. I changed to 15" Suiperstock ralley wheels. This acts like lowereing the
gear ratio but gives greta handling and looks good. 14" will spin easier . 

I'll send more if I think of anything more.

O Yes Headers are hard to fit. 442's and 4 doors can fit the\m easily but
for some reason the4 350's were mouned back a bit and make headers tohg to
fit. I'm styill trying to fit some good ones. I may have to go back to Cast
iron.

Let me know how you'r making out . 

I'm in Calgary and at blondahl@telusplanet.net

At 04:19 PM 2/11/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Okay - who's up to the challenge of helping a new Oldsmobile owner start
>restoration of a 68 Cutlass "S'" convertible???
>
>Any takers???
>
>Specs.
>
>350		original
>2 bbl		off a 1972 something
>Emissions	stripped off already
>transmission	Jetaway (I think) - 2 speed - leaks like a sieve
>body		clean and straight - absolutely no rust ( I mean it!!)
>top/interior	looks okay - works okay
>
>It's a looker with the top down on a sunny day.  Definitely needs some
>work to pretty up the grilles, interior dash/doors, etc. - wheels would
>be better than the current hubcaps.
>
>Runs good.....kind of.....has a ping I can't get rid of (new plugs,
>wires, distributor, points, condenser, adjust timing, adjust dwell, etc.
>- tried octane booster).  But it seems reliable enough.
>
>Steering box needs an overhaul and I will probably look into front disc
>brakes.
>
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 19:36:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff & Sherie Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets

Yeah just buy the chrome trumpets and have a good custom exhaust shop make
the system on the car. I got a repro from Fusick and was very disappointed
in the fit. I sure others are just as bad. A good shop will make it for
YOUR car and fit it snug as a bug. Too much varience from the factory.
Crossmember, engine manifolds, etc they all add up to big errors. Believe
me its less hassle in the long run. 

On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 HURSTOLDZ@aol.com wrote:

> anyone else have any input about the tailpipes?????????????
> 

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Date: 11 Feb 99 20:40:41 MST
From: RSTOMN <restoman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Sorry About the .JPG File]

oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
I replied to a person who wanted to see a picture of a car.  I didn't realize
that the reply was being sent to the mail list when I clicked on "reply".  I
though it would go to the individual like other mail lists do.  So please
forgive the .jpg file I've posted to the mail list.  
......................>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
L
I thought it was a great pix.
Bet we would see a lot of good ones if it was aloud.

RESTOMAN

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:50:16 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Oldsmobile Engine Availability 76-88

Some discussion on the list last night and today about which engines were
available in which years.  Here is what I have, according to my EPA guides,
Chilton's manuals, and car buyer's guides.  Not claiming 100% accuracy here,
just going by what I have.  If you have differing information, please share it
with the list.


1976

Cutlass: 250 (I-6) 1V, 260-2V, 350-4V, 455-4V
Ninety-Eight: 400-2V, 455-4V
Eighty-Eight: 350-2V, 350-4V, 455-4V


1977

Cutlass: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 350-4V, 403-4V
Ninety-Eight: 350-4V, 403-4V
Eighty-Eight: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 350-4V, 403-4V


1978

Cutlass: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 305-4V   (was a 350 available here?  I have
heard both yes and no.  And was it an OLDS or a CH*VY?  Again, I have heard
both.)

Ninety-Eight: 350-4V, 403-4V
Eighty-Eight: 231 (V6) 2V, 260-2V, 350-4V, 403-4V


1979

Cutlass: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 301-4V  (same question about the 350 as '78)
Ninety-Eight: 350-4V, 403-4V
Eighty-Eight: 231 (V6) 2V, 260-2V, 301-2V, 350-4V  (403 option dropped)


1980

Cutlass: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 301-4V (same question about 350 as 78-79)
Ninety-Eight: 307-4V, 350-4V
Eighty-Eight: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 307-4V, 350-4V


1981-82

Cutlass: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 307-4V
Ninety-Eight: 307-4V
Eighty-Eight: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 307-4V


1983-87

Cutlass: 231 (V-6) 2V, 307-4V
Ninety-Eight*: 307-4V
Eighty-Eight**: 231 (V-6) 2V, 307-4V

* Ninety-Eight goes FWD in '85 with 231 V-6, 2V
** Eighty-Eight goes FWD in '86 with 231 V-6, 2V


1988

Cutlass Classic: 307-4V


Toronado: 1976: 455-4V, 1977-78: 403-4V, 1979-80: 350-4V, 1981-86: 307-4V


Does this look right?  (PS---Didn't bother to list the 260/350 diesel options.
Who WANTS one! :-)


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 Midday Guy at Mix103FM
 Live audio at: www.mix103fm.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:54:41 -0500 (EST)
From: hurst455@webtv.net (Corey Putnam)
Subject: Need help w/ ignition problem.

My #2 car is giving me troubles and I`m sure it`s simple, but could
someone point me in the right direction before I start buying un-needed
parts?It`s a 74 442 w/ 350 and electronic ignition (not HEI).The engine
will die at any time with no warning as I`m driving, or sitting still
for that matter.When it`s acting up like this, I`ll try to restart it,
but it won`t fire untill the ignition key is a hair away from the off
position.(and even then it`s 50/50 if it starts or not) The engine runs
fine any other time,but I need to get this fixed before I can attempt to
sell it.

Corey Putnam 75 455 Hurst/Olds                 H/OCA # 0915A.OCA #
031264                                               

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:57:40 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Drag Racing expertise needed

If your going to run a front motor plate, you need to run a mid
plate also.  Commonly the mid plate is sandwiched between
the engine/trans, but then you also need something to limit
the fore/aft shifting of the engine/trans.  Commonly you use
the factory motor mount location on the block to mount a plate
which has a tube that runs back and attaches to the frame.
Reason for this, is that on hard launches, the motor plates
will flex due to inertia and can crack the tailshaft housing where
it's bolted down.  I wouldn't go through all this work unless you
put a full tube frame in a car as you will feel ~every~ vibration
of the motor and the factory mounts will suffice on everything
but all out drag cars (read:  tubbed).  Even on 9 second street
cars I've worked on, solid factory type motor mounts work fine
and have never seen a block cracked from this.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

>I have heard that cracking the block is a fairly common thing when hooking
>up race car type power.  How about a front motor plate anyone ever use one?
>LP
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:13:31 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Engine Availability 76-88

- -----Original Message-----
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com <OldsRokkit@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 10:53 PM
Subject: Oldsmobile Engine Availability 76-88


>Some discussion on the list last night and today about which engines were
>available in which years.  Here is what I have, according to my EPA guides,
>Chilton's manuals, and car buyer's guides.  Not claiming 100% accuracy
here,
>just going by what I have.  If you have differing information, please share
it
>with the list.
>
>
>1976
>
>Cutlass: 250 (I-6) 1V, 260-2V, 350-4V, 455-4V
>Ninety-Eight: 400-2V, 455-4V

400 was a Pontiac engine.   Available in '75 Delta 88s.  Never fitted by the
factory to the 98.

>Eighty-Eight: 350-2V, 350-4V, 455-4V

May be mistaken, but I thought the 2V 350 was dropped in '74.

>
>
>1977
>
>Cutlass: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 350-4V, 403-4V
>Ninety-Eight: 350-4V, 403-4V
>Eighty-Eight: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 350-4V, 403-4V
>
>
>1978
>
>Cutlass: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 305-4V   (was a 350 available here?  I have
>heard both yes and no.  And was it an OLDS or a CH*VY?  Again, I have heard
>both.)

Factory 350 in the Cutlass was a Chevy.  Available in high altitude emission
cert areas only.  Cruiser wagon only.

>
>Ninety-Eight: 350-4V, 403-4V
>Eighty-Eight: 231 (V6) 2V, 260-2V, 350-4V, 403-4V
>
>
>1979
>
>Cutlass: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 301-4V  (same question about the 350 as '78)

Factory 350 Olds avilable in '79 H/O option on the Calias coupe.

>Ninety-Eight: 350-4V, 403-4V
>Eighty-Eight: 231 (V6) 2V, 260-2V, 301-2V, 350-4V  (403 option dropped)
>
>
>1980
>
>Cutlass: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 301-4V (same question about 350 as 78-79)

Factory 350  Olds available with the 442 option on the Calais coupe.

>Ninety-Eight: 307-4V, 350-4V
>Eighty-Eight: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 307-4V, 350-4V
>
>
>1981-82
>
>Cutlass: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 307-4V

I don't show the 307 in the Cutlass on 49 state low altitude cars until
1983.

>Ninety-Eight: 307-4V

4.1 Busix 4V also available, though rarely fitted.

>Eighty-Eight: 231 (V-6) 2V, 260-2V, 307-4V
>
>
>1983-87
>
>Cutlass: 231 (V-6) 2V, 307-4V
>Ninety-Eight*: 307-4V

4.1 busix still available in '83.  Dropped for '84.  307 standard in '84.

>Eighty-Eight**: 231 (V-6) 2V, 307-4V
>
>* Ninety-Eight goes FWD in '85 with 231 V-6, 2V
>** Eighty-Eight goes FWD in '86 with 231 V-6, 2V
>
>
>1988
>
>Cutlass Classic: 307-4V
>
>
>Toronado: 1976: 455-4V, 1977-78: 403-4V, 1979-80: 350-4V

1080 Toro standard with the 307, 350 optional.

>1981-86: 307-4V

'81 - '84 Toro standard with Busix 4.1.  307 optional.
'85 Toro standard with 307.
'86 Toro is downsized "Roger Smith's Folly"  featuring 3.8 FI V6

>
>
>Does this look right?  (PS---Didn't bother to list the 260/350 diesel
options.
>Who WANTS one! :-)
>
>
>-Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
> Midday Guy at Mix103FM
> Live audio at: www.mix103fm.com


Otherwise looks accurate to me.

Regards,
Fred
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:10:14 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Engine Availability 76-88

also the 350 Olds was available in 80 in the rare 442s. Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:13:29 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets

Thank You    Good idea.


Anyone else have any comments????



Vinny


62 Starfire
68 Hurst/Olds

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:09:23 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Engine Availability 76-88

the 350 Olds was available in 79 in the Hurst Olds  
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">Hot Rod Harrys 1973
Cutlass</A> 

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:12:27 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Engine Availability 76-88

Last year for the Big Block 455 and 4 speed was in the 73 Cutlass,just thought
i would mention that. Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:18:58 -0800
From: Thomas Wolfe <tswolfe@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Post message onto Olds Mail List

Hello!

I would like to post the following message onto your message board.

Looking for copy of owner's manual for 1989 Olds Delta 88 Brougham.
If available, please contact me at tswolfe@bellsouth.net

Thank you for your consideration!
Thomas Wolfe

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 23:43:17 -0500
From: "C Thomas" <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: Re: [Sorry About the .JPG File]

Speaking of Pics If anyone is bored I would love to see pics of your Cars as
Long as there Oldsmobile's
Send them to cthomas@stny.lrun.com

PLEASE!!  Im Bored and In the mood to be Jealous..
- -----Original Message-----
From: RSTOMN <restoman@netscape.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 10:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Sorry About the .JPG File]


oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
I replied to a person who wanted to see a picture of a car.  I didn't
realize
that the reply was being sent to the mail list when I clicked on "reply".  I
though it would go to the individual like other mail lists do.  So please
forgive the .jpg file I've posted to the mail list.
......................>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
L
I thought it was a great pix.
Bet we would see a lot of good ones if it was aloud.

RESTOMAN

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:05:11 PST
From: "Mike Sealey" <rocket98for69@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: California emissions

On Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:54:36 -0800, "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
writes:

>I'm going to be moving to San Diego soon (I'm U.S. Navy) and I need 
>to know what the emissions rules are.
>
>I have a '71 olds cutlass with lots of modifications (intake, cam, 
>carb, headers, etc.)  Being military, I'm hoping I won't have to 
>register the car in CA if I keep my claimed residence in Florida.
>
>Anyone know the scoop?

Being military, Greg, California would indeed give you a pass on having 
to register it there; however, '73 and earlier are now exempt from 
emissions testing.

Mike Sealey
'69 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:24:12 -0800
From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@san.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Flowmaster Mufflers

Andy Mikesell wrote:

> Chris - Why did you take off the Flowmasters?  Did you find the Dynomax
> quieter?  Which Flowmaster was it - the 2 or 3 chamber?  Just curious since
> I hate the 50 mph "drone" I get from my Turbo Flowmasters.
> - Andy

Andy,

    Yes, I too hated the drone from the Flowmasters.  The Dynomax "Hemi" Turbo
mufflers are alot quieter yet still have a great sound!  The Flowmasters were 3
chamber mufflers.
- --
Chris Miller
'68 442
San Diego, CA
mailto:cya442@san.rr.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:29:27 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: production figures

I was wondering if anyone has the production figures on a 69 cutlass sports
coupe (post) 4 speed.
Even an approximation will do just fine..

Thanks for any help

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:15:30 EST
From: Saleem676@aol.com
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???

<< I don't think they ever showed the engine..but it was '78 so I always
 assumed it was a 403. >>
Taken from a article in the May 1994 Car Craft, Titled "Smokey and the
Bandit". 
{We'd guess the car's were Olds powered because many interior shots confirm
the cars had automatic transmissions (the only trans available with the Olds
motor) - meaning the moviemakers wrecked five of only 1217 Special Edition
cars built in 1977 with T-Tops and the 403. (What engines the cars actually
had has been forgotten by Needham and others connected with the movie.)
According to Needham, the only modifications needed for the cars to perform
their hundreds of stunts was the installation of a 455 and a four speed to
pull off  "the bridge jump." Four speed cars were also used in several scenes
when the script called for tire-chirping powershifts. That means that at least
two cars had the W72 200 hp 400 Pontiac. But for the sake of continuity, the
hood scoops were switched to match the Olds-powered cars.}

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:27:39 -0500
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 300 I6  was 350 chevy

>I had a 71 Rustang for about a month once, But anyway it had a 300 >I6.  I
thought it was original, but maybe not.

Not original.........300's were truck motors.  Cars had 200 cid straight
sixes.

Randy

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:28:40 PST
From: "Mike Sealey" <rocket98for69@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: LISTEN TO THIS C...

On Wed, 10 Feb 1999 20:11:26 -0600, Mark MacDonald 
<greenmm@earthlink.net> writes:

>Actually, my '75 Delta 88 (with 455) was tested for emissions in
>California.  Needless to say, the guy was not happy when I passed 
>with flying colors.

I had to get my '69 (also w/455) tested before I could register it in 
California (two months before they changed the law, making '73 and 
earlier exempt).  HC and CO were so low the tech asked if I was running 
propane (like that conversion wouldn't be obvious).  NOx next to nothing 
too.  (BTW ex-wife's '94 S*t#rn tests dirtier than that.)

I'm mainly a M*P#r guy but dig other stuff too.  B*#ck and P*nt#!c had 
always been my favorite GM makes until I got this 98.  Obviously I have 
had to reconsider that part...

Mike Sealey
'69 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:46:44 EST
From: Socalolds@aol.com
Subject: Re: California emissions

Mike,
Your car as all 73 and older cars ARE EXEMPT from any smog regulations. As of
Jan. of 98 all pre 74 cars do not have to pass the bi-yearly smog test. So
welcome to California. By the way I expect to see you at the So. Cal Olds Club
shows. If  you or anyone wants to join, email me and join one of the best Olds
Clubs in the Us. Only $12/yr. lots of ads in the 12 monthly newsletters a
year.Can't beat that.
A commrade in arms.
Dennis

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:53:36 PST
From: "Mike Sealey" <rocket98for69@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:23:38 -0600, "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
writes:

>My 68 Camaro had a 327, 350 horse engine. I thought that was it, top 
>of the line, no 427s back then, at least from the factory!

Weren't the Yenko/Nickey/etc. COPO cars factory-built "fleet orders"?  I 
understand you could get anything from a 4-cyl. Caprice (gag) to a 427 
Nova despite non-catalog status *if* you ordered enough of 'em...

Olds content:  Anyone know whether the theoretically possible '64 
442-package 4-door sedans are any rarer than the bowties mentioned 
above?

Mike Sealey
'69 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:13:28 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Steering Wheel Help

Here is the dilema: I have a 72 442 with tilt steering and the sport wheel.
I have lost the 3 bolts/screws that attach the circular disk to the
steering wheel that controls the horn. For example, when you pull off the
rocket horn centerpiece you will have 3 bolts or screws holding the metal
piece that makes the horn work. Those are the screws or bolts that I need.
???

Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 00:01:04 -0600 (CST)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets

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Hi Vinny,
I used the Flowmaster 2.5" system with 2 chamber mufflers on my 68.
They fit very well under the car, but were about 3" too narrow on each
side for the exhaust cutouts in the bumper.  They are alumunized and
seem to hold up very well to weather.  Also pretty easy to setup with
headers, but I could not have hooked them up to manifolds myself.  They
have no crinkles in the bends whatsoever.  I will be getting quieter
mufflers though.  Not too loud just putting around, but at even moderate
throttle I tend to get pulled over. Maybe that's just the "Honk if
you've never seen an uzi sprayed from a car window before!" bumper
sticker.  

I couldn't put a bumper sticker on my 442!

Jeff Carter
blue442@webtv.net


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Thank You    Good idea.


Anyone else have any comments????



Vinny


62 Starfire
68 Hurst/Olds

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 21:58:21 PST
From: "Mike Sealey" <rocket98for69@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Vanguard ?????

On Thu, 11 Feb 1999 20:54:40 +1900 (EST), Jon442@aol.com writes:

>Vanguard was an organization for Oldsmobile salespeople, run by 
>Oldsmobile Division. The top Olds salespeople got diamond rings, 
>others got plates and trinkets, which is where the coasters would 
>have come from.

Obscure Olds Trivia: The "V" emblem in the Oldsmobile Vanguard logo was 
originally the radiator emblem for the '29-'31 (?) Viking, an upmarket 
V-8 powered companion make built by Olds.

Mike Sealey
'69 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 22:45:00 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 300 I6 was 350 chevy

What about a 250I?

>>I had a 71 Rustang for about a month once, But anyway it had a 300 
>I6.  I
>thought it was original, but maybe not.
>
>Not original.........300's were truck motors.  Cars had 200 cid 
straight
>sixes.
>
>Randy
>
>


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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 00:14:19 +1300
From: Kandy Nuku <Km-Nuku@xtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: worth upgrading cam in a 350?

Greg wrote:

> 
> I was wondering through my folder of car receipts (almost crying) when I
> found my cam spec card.  I have a really mild cam and I'm wondering what the
> HP increase vs. cost to get a little more aggresive one.

> 
> I have a Crane max velocity hyd. cam with 260/272 advertised duration.
> 204/216 @ 050.  valve lift of 456/484.  The card says recommened rpm range:
> 1500-4000. I also used Cranes bleed down lifters.
 
> Bring on the suggestions!
> 
> -greg z

I've got the performer cam in my 403 204/214 @ 050. and have been
wondering
the same about hp increases.

suggestions- maybe the  Edelbrock performer RPM 224/234 @ 050. 1500-6500
rpm 
range. Should go well in a 71 350. Maybe to much for my 403 though.

I was thinking of trying the 400-455 performer cam 214/224 @
050.EDL-2152
Has any one used this in a small block?
Any problems?
 
- -- 
Dave
Napier
New Zealand
MailTo:KanNuku@xtra.co.nz

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:18:18 EST
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: Crack in my 455 : (

In a message dated 2/11/99 11:45:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,
csimpson@ucalgary.ca writes:

<< Ryan D wrote:
 > 
 > Well,my weeks ben shot to h*ll ,i fond a Big'ol crack in my block
 > today,the guy told me it was hottanked ,magnfluxed, shotpeend.
 > and that there was not one crack in the hole block,Well he lide to me.
 > 
 > he put a'hole lot of goop in the crack to hide it ,untill i stript the
 > block.
 > 
 > now,im sorry if this sound's bad ,it could just be that im realy mad at
 > him ,but is'int thare something we can do to guy's like this,
 > that to stuff like this ,to guy like us?
 > 
 > i meen ,i have never ript anybody off, and im just trying to build a 455
 > for my car ,and I get ript off!
 > 
 > life just ant fair.
 > 
 > Thanks
 >       Ryan
 --  >>


                  I have a friend that is selling his 455. The motor is
disassembled, but all the parts are there.I would have to get the casting
number to identify the year. I thought he said it was a block from 1973.He
deos have the block coated with grease and stored in plastic. I know the heads
are from a different year. He is located in Euclid ohio, near
Cleveland..................E-mail me privately if
interested...............SCOTT             P.S.....he was only asking $200 for
the engine with lots of extra parts.....

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:56:48 -0800
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Need help w/ ignition problem.

If your run or start problem is sensitive to the position of the key, could
it be you have a faulty ignition switch?  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Corey Putnam <hurst455@webtv.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 7:55 PM
Subject: Need help w/ ignition problem.


My #2 car is giving me troubles and I`m sure it`s simple, but could
someone point me in the right direction before I start buying un-needed
parts?It`s a 74 442 w/ 350 and electronic ignition (not HEI).The engine
will die at any time with no warning as I`m driving, or sitting still
for that matter.When it`s acting up like this, I`ll try to restart it,
but it won`t fire untill the ignition key is a hair away from the off
position.(and even then it`s 50/50 if it starts or not) The engine runs
fine any other time,but I need to get this fixed before I can attempt to
sell it.

Corey Putnam 75 455 Hurst/Olds                 H/OCA # 0915A.OCA #
031264

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:59:47 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

Hate to pee on your picnic....but, There is at one KNOWN DOCUMENTED case of
a '68 Yenko 427 Camaro that has COPO #'s. At least ONE '68 left the factory
with a 427. I have the article somewhere in my MASS collection of muscle
car magazines.

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455 Rocket Ship 








At 06:29 PM 2/11/99 PST, you wrote:
>
>Notice that the "no 427 from the factory" was already stated!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
>>No 427's from the factory. You could get COPO 427 or Yenco 427
>>
>>
>>In a message dated 2/11/99 6:00:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>>jasonshreve@hotmail.com writes:
>>
>><< 
>> No 427's but they had 396's and 350's!
>> 
>> 
>> >
>> >My 68 Camaro had a 327, 350 horse engine. I thought that was it, top 
>of 
>> the
>> >line, no 427s back then, at least from the factory!
>> >Master Lou
>> >lbiggs@intertek.net
>> > >>
>>
>>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:59:56 -0500
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: chris sommerville

I forgot to add that when I met chris it was in rockinghan N C and
bought some parts from him. he had a stall converter that i wanted but i
did not have the cash then, he said take it with you and if you can not
use send it back collect . I live 600 miles from there and he trusted me
with his money. what else can be said    butch

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:02:01 -0800
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Steering Wheel Help

I believe you can go to most any good hardware store and come up with new
ones.  Nothing exotic going on here.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 10:01 PM
Subject: Steering Wheel Help


>Here is the dilema: I have a 72 442 with tilt steering and the sport wheel.
>I have lost the 3 bolts/screws that attach the circular disk to the
>steering wheel that controls the horn. For example, when you pull off the
>rocket horn centerpiece you will have 3 bolts or screws holding the metal
>piece that makes the horn work. Those are the screws or bolts that I need.
>???
>
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:10:26 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Need help w/ ignition problem.

What kind of ignition is it?  It should just need simple 12V
continuous going in.  When you say that it won't start I assume
it still cranks over.  Could be an ignition switch but could also
be something in the distributor or wire harness going to it.  
To eliminate the switch, you could use a multi meter to run an
ohm check through the wire harness in the column but since it's
a intermittent prob you likely won't se that it's bad until it's acting
up.  Another solution is to run jumper wires with a switch that would
bypass the column.  When it won't start close the jumper circuit and
it it starts then it's probably the switch, but could also be other places
in the column.  Note that the switch in the column is a seperate piece
that the tumbler you put the key in.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

My #2 car is giving me troubles and I`m sure it`s simple, but could
someone point me in the right direction before I start buying un-needed
parts?It`s a 74 442 w/ 350 and electronic ignition (not HEI).The engine
will die at any time with no warning as I`m driving, or sitting still
for that matter.When it`s acting up like this, I`ll try to restart it,
but it won`t fire untill the ignition key is a hair away from the off
position.(and even then it`s 50/50 if it starts or not) The engine runs
fine any other time,but I need to get this fixed before I can attempt to
sell it.

Corey Putnam 75 455 Hurst/Olds                 H/OCA # 0915A.OCA #
031264                                               

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:14:42 -0500
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 300 I6 was 350 chevy

>What about a 250I?


Forgot about them.........my dad had one in a '66 Mustang.
I unfortunately had the Chevy 250........in a '74 Camaro. Blew it up! :)

Randy

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 05:20:26 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

This violates the gm engine rule.  I have NEVER heard this before.  I 
would have to have a better source that peterson before I believe that.  
No peeing yet!!!!


>Hate to pee on your picnic....but, There is at one KNOWN DOCUMENTED 
case of
>a '68 Yenko 427 Camaro that has COPO #'s. At least ONE '68 left the 
factory
>with a 427. I have the article somewhere in my MASS collection of 
muscle
>car magazines.
>
>Omega Man
>'74 Omega S 455 Rocket Ship 
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 06:29 PM 2/11/99 PST, you wrote:
>>
>>Notice that the "no 427 from the factory" was already stated!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>>No 427's from the factory. You could get COPO 427 or Yenco 427
>>>
>>>
>>>In a message dated 2/11/99 6:00:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>>>jasonshreve@hotmail.com writes:
>>>
>>><< 
>>> No 427's but they had 396's and 350's!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> >
>>> >My 68 Camaro had a 327, 350 horse engine. I thought that was it, 
top 
>>of 
>>> the
>>> >line, no 427s back then, at least from the factory!
>>> >Master Lou
>>> >lbiggs@intertek.net
>>> > >>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:40:05 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: 300 I6 was 350 chevy

OK one time on this from me.  Ford had the 300 truck engine, the 240 in
passenger cars was a short stroke 300,
a 250 which was an emissions era engine of unknown (to me) heritage, 171/200
engines which were early Falcon and Mustang powerplants that were physically
smaller than the 300/240, and that same 200 hung on into the 80's as a choice
for some Fairmonts and it's brethren.  Of course we can go back into the 50's
and 60's to cover the 223's which were the first overhead valve sixes that
FOMOCO produced, but that takes us away from Oldsmobile a little further yet.

Olds content:  I did own a 66 Galaxy with a 240 that was used as a second car
when I was driving my 4-4-2 daily back in the 70's.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:43:50 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Mystery COPO and Olds parts ?, was(Re: Chevrolet 350)

How does the saying go..? Rules were meant to be broken. COPO orders were
used to get around rules through the "back door". It worked in '69. I've
also heard of COPO 427 Chevelles in '68 though I have never seen one. '68's
were as scarce as hair on a turtle. This one '68 Yenko is a genny COPO. I
think the car was raffled off. I believe it's light blue w/white graphics.
Been awile since I saw that article. I'll find it.

Olds subject: Uh.. anybody got reproduction taillight trim for a '74
Omega?? I need that. Also looking for true dual exhaust manifolds. I may
have a tough time finding headers to fit a big block Omega.

Omega Man
74 Omega S




At 05:20 AM 2/12/99 PST, you wrote:
>This violates the gm engine rule.  I have NEVER heard this before.  I 
>would have to have a better source that peterson before I believe that.  
>No peeing yet!!!!
>
>
>>Hate to pee on your picnic....but, There is at one KNOWN DOCUMENTED 
>case of
>>a '68 Yenko 427 Camaro that has COPO #'s. At least ONE '68 left the 
>factory
>>with a 427. I have the article somewhere in my MASS collection of 
>muscle
>>car magazines.
>>
>>Omega Man
>>'74 Omega S 455 Rocket Ship 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>At 06:29 PM 2/11/99 PST, you wrote:
>>>
>>>Notice that the "no 427 from the factory" was already stated!!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>No 427's from the factory. You could get COPO 427 or Yenco 427
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>In a message dated 2/11/99 6:00:37 PM Pacific Standard Time,
>>>>jasonshreve@hotmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>><< 
>>>> No 427's but they had 396's and 350's!
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> >
>>>> >My 68 Camaro had a 327, 350 horse engine. I thought that was it, 
>top 
>>>of 
>>>> the
>>>> >line, no 427s back then, at least from the factory!
>>>> >Master Lou
>>>> >lbiggs@intertek.net
>>>> > >>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>
>
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:52:36 -0500
From: Doug Ahern <doug@mail.RATH.PeachNet.EDU>
Subject: why are we talking about Chevys?

why has a thread about Chevy engines become the longest running thread
that this oldsmobile list has seen in a month?  did we run out of
Oldsmobile topics?

take it somewhere else (like rec.auto.antique)! seriously!  please!

Doug

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:57:08 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: why are we talking about Chevys?

It's all Igor's fault

Omega man




At 08:52 AM 2/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>why has a thread about Chevy engines become the longest running thread
>that this oldsmobile list has seen in a month?  did we run out of
>Oldsmobile topics?
>
>take it somewhere else (like rec.auto.antique)! seriously!  please!
>
>Doug
>
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 06:56:24 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: [Sorry About the .JPG File]

If you're going to send Olds pictures around then consider posting them
on the Virtual car show at http://www.442.com  That way everyone will
get to see them.

C Thomas wrote:
> 
> Speaking of Pics If anyone is bored I would love to see pics of your Cars as
> Long as there Oldsmobile's
> <snip>
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:00:34 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Mystery COPO and Olds parts ?, was(Re: Chevrolet 350)

>also heard of COPO 427 Chevelles in '68 though I have never seen one.
I don't know if it was a COPO car or not, but I raced a '68 427 Chevelle with
my Olds back in '75.  I was at friends house in Anderson In. (GM town) one
evening when I got involved in a "test" session with a Chevelle.  The owner
was looking for someone to race so he could see how well his car was
performing.  I was more than happy to oblidge, so off we went to the
countryside.  We ran about three times, with me beating him three times.  It
was then I noticed the 427 emblems on the front fender.  I asked if it was an
actual 427 car and he said it was.  I told him he better keep working on it
because my car was not running the greatest and he should have beaten me each
time.  It is amazing how a lack of mechanical skill can slow down one of
Detroits finest.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:01:16 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sorry About the .JPG File

In a message dated 02/11/1999 10:07:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Beach324@aol.com writes:

<< I replied to a person who wanted to see a picture of a car.  I didn't
realize
 that the reply was being sent to the mail list when I clicked on "reply".  I
 though it would go to the individual like other mail lists do.  So please
 forgive the .jpg file I've posted to the mail list. >>

No problem.  I think we all wanted to see it anyway.  Looks real nice.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:12:25 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Mystery COPO and Olds parts ?, was(Re: Chevrolet 350)

What did you have back then? Big Block 442? 

Omega Man



At 09:00 AM 2/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>also heard of COPO 427 Chevelles in '68 though I have never seen one.
>I don't know if it was a COPO car or not, but I raced a '68 427 Chevelle with
>my Olds back in '75.  I was at friends house in Anderson In. (GM town) one
>evening when I got involved in a "test" session with a Chevelle.  The owner
>was looking for someone to race so he could see how well his car was
>performing.  I was more than happy to oblidge, so off we went to the
>countryside.  We ran about three times, with me beating him three times.  It
>was then I noticed the 427 emblems on the front fender.  I asked if it was an
>actual 427 car and he said it was.  I told him he better keep working on it
>because my car was not running the greatest and he should have beaten me each
>time.  It is amazing how a lack of mechanical skill can slow down one of
>Detroits finest.
>
>Dave Wyatt
>70  4-4-2
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:13:39 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Sorry About the .JPG File

I must be a glutton for punishment because I feel the need to ask, why
can't we post pictures to the list?

I assumed that pictures would pooch older email readers but is anyone
still running a reader that had a problem with the picture?  The second
problem would be that an email with a picture in it is huge compared to
a text only message so the list server could become swamped.  So is this
an outdated rule or does posting binaries still cause problems.

I apologize for the dumb question but I'm curious, that's all.
- -- 

Cliff "I'm trying to learn" Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:18:21 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Sorry About the .JPG File

> I must be a glutton for punishment because I feel the need to ask, why
> can't we post pictures to the list?
> 
> 
(If Chris remembers right its ...)
In a word .... Digests
For those on digest mode it's a major royal pain in the butt.

Chris (who is also on digest mode with another account and is not looking
forward to downloading todays lists posts) Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:28:00 -0500
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@pa.net>
Subject: Bad running 350 rebuild

In August, I finished rebuild on my 69 Cutlass 350 engine.
It ran fine for five months. Ran it up to 3800 RPM after 500
Miles of various RPM break in ... Poof ... the engine started running rough.

Now it runs rough showing on meter that number 4 cylinder isn't
firing. So changed wires etc ... changed MSD andput in stock distributor
from Year One

Test showed 100 PSI compression and air flowing through both exhaust
and intake valves ... okay ... re-did head and valves ... no leak ... still
runs
like crap but has 135 compression.

Runs better with 20 degree advance but breaks up on low end ... and high
end. It runs best in the middle RPMs  but lacks power.

I'm going to try Lunati low end torque cam.  new lifters and rods.

What next? Any advice will be of assistance
Ken Swick
swickka@pa.net

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:43:42 -0600
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: Chris sommerville

Amen to that!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	OldsRokkit@aol.com [SMTP:OldsRokkit@aol.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, February 11, 1999 8:51 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: Chris sommerville
> 
> In a message dated 2/11/99 6:32:16 PM Central Standard Time,
> lbiggs@intertek.net writes:
> 
> > If your in the service and you cheat or defraud someone they will
> nail your
> >  *ss to the cross, so to speak
> 
> Unless you're the Commander in Chief.  
> 
> 
> -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
>  Midday Guy on Mix103FM
>  Live audio at: www.mix103fm.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:44:09 -0600
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: 1032 Oldsmobile - Need Advice

BUY IT!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Beach324@aol.com [SMTP:Beach324@aol.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, February 11, 1999 8:57 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: 1032 Oldsmobile - Need Advice
> 
> Brian:  Here's a picture of the '32 Olds.  I think it is a beautiful
> car
> considering it's all original and in such great shape.
> 
> Larry << File: COMOLDS.JPG >> 

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 09:45:39 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Mystery COPO and Olds parts ?, was(Re: Chevrolet 350)

>What did you have back then? Big Block 442?
The same car I have now, but with a seriously out of tune stock 455.  I was
even running on studded snow tires, which don't have the greeatest traction on
dry pavement and they would not chirp when I hit fourth gear.  It was about
this time of year and the roads were clear at the time.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:48:17 -0600
From: inovator@agriculture.com (Grant Mangold)
Subject: Re: 1964 F-85

Original engine so must be 330 (sorry about that). 2bbl single exhaust. I've
owned the car since 1975. It is for sale and will be at the Sioux City Iowa
Marina performance swap meet on February 21. Thanks for your help!

>Subject: 1964 Olds F85   
>
>What's value range of 1964 Olds F-85 Sport Coupe, 325 engine, auto, bench,
>repainted gunmetal gray, burgundy interior (seats bad rest OK). Straight
>body, slight rust (under paint). Black 79 rally wheels or orig hubcaps.
>150,000 miles. Runs great (always has). Email inovator@ncn.net or call
>712-296-3615 or 3211 or 3737. Thank you! - GM
>
>325 cid, do mean the original 330cid v8?  betwen $1200 and $2500 probably.
>If its a 2bbl/single exhaust, on the low side, 4bbl,dual exhaust on
>the high side.   depends where you are.
>
>demand for 64 Oldsmobiles isn't high.  People don't readily know what it
>is.  Even though its good hot rod material, people tend to go for the
>65-72 Olds...    I've owned one for 11 years.
>
>buying? or selling?
>
>Doug
>
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:54:23 -0600
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: California emissions

Anybody know about emissions requirements in Texas?

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mike Sealey [SMTP:rocket98for69@hotmail.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, February 11, 1999 11:05 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: California emissions
> 
> On Sun, 7 Feb 1999 10:54:36 -0800, "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
> writes:
> 
> >I'm going to be moving to San Diego soon (I'm U.S. Navy) and I need 
> >to know what the emissions rules are.
> >
> >I have a '71 olds cutlass with lots of modifications (intake, cam, 
> >carb, headers, etc.)  Being military, I'm hoping I won't have to 
> >register the car in CA if I keep my claimed residence in Florida.
> >
> >Anyone know the scoop?
> 
> Being military, Greg, California would indeed give you a pass on
> having 
> to register it there; however, '73 and earlier are now exempt from 
> emissions testing.
> 
> Mike Sealey
> '69 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan
> 
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