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oldsmobile-digest      Monday, February 8 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1761



screencaver
Re: screencaver
Ford bug-block
Re: cat?
Re: F code was: My First 455 :  )
Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
Links to Norwegian Oldsmobile Articles (w/pics)
68 442 cheap (toy)
Olds Engine Colors
Re: Links to Norwegian Oldsmobile Articles (w/pics)
Re: Olds Engine Colors
Norsk Olds Website
Re: 68 442 cheap (toy)
'78 Olds Holiday Coupe in Conneticut
Re: Olds Engine Colors
SV: Norsk Olds Website
SV: Norsk Olds Website
Re: 68 442 cheap (toy)
Re: 307 valve train
Need low cost insurance for old cars
Re: General Info -Reply
Need low cost insurance for old cars -Reply
Re: Headers was: General Info -Reply
Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
source for hood hinges
Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
Re: Olds only show and go
Re: Need low cost insurance for old cars -Reply
Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
Wash-away spray paint
Re: need radiator hoses for a 64 Olds Cutlass 330
403 Olds engine HELP!!
Re: clock conversion...........
Protecto Plates-When did they start?
'83 H/O Wheel Question
OLDSMOBILE vs OLDS W-455 intakes
Re: '83 H/O Wheel Question
Re: Rochester Carbs
Some Assistance Desperately Needed.
Re: ICQ - - - - Who has it?
Winternatls
hurst /olds poster!!
Re: source for hood hinges
88 article in yesterday's Wash. Post
Re: need radiator hoses for a 64 Olds Cutlass 330
Re: OLDSMOBILE vs OLDS W-455 intakes
Re: Olds Engine Colors
Re: OLDSMOBILE vs OLDS W-455 intakes
Re: hurst /olds poster!!
Re: 68 442 cheap (toy)
Drag Racing expertise needed
Re: hurst /olds poster!!
clock quartz conversion / Hemmings
RE: ICQ - - - - Who has it?
Re: Olds only show and go
Re: windown crank springs .....
Re: broken fuel gauage-Help
Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
Re: Ford bug-block
Re: broken fuel gauage-Help
Re: worth upgrading cam in a 350?
Re: Protecto Plates-When did they start?
RE: Olds only show and go
Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
Re: 68 442 cheap (toy)
'68 Cutlass Supreme
Re: clock conversion...........
425/455 block/pushrod difference
Help
Re: Greg's cam upgrade 
can you tell me
Re: New Hot Rod
DID ANYONE GET THIS MESSAGE>

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:15:01 -0500
From: "Tina Walters" <jtmwalt@netsync.net>
Subject: screencaver

Can someone please tell me where to get the 73 Hurst Olds screensaver.
Thanks Joe

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:59:27 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: screencaver

In a message dated 02/08/1999 11:23:34 AM Eastern Standard Time,
jtmwalt@netsync.net writes:

<< Can someone please tell me where to get the 73 Hurst Olds screensaver.
 Thanks Joe >>

Go to the web site listed below.

Daniel R. Gerow
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow


Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 9:01 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: Ford bug-block

Ray Costanzo said (and I did not edit this, go back and check the 
original if you don't believe me!! :)  

>------------------------------
>Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 14:26:56 -0500
>From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
>Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Need_H=EBlp_from_a_ford_owner?=

>Sorry, to be non-Olds here, but does anyone on this list own
>a 67 Mustang or Falcon with an FE bug block?  If so, could you
>please email me.  Thanks!

>Ray Costanzo
>87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
>84 Calais ($200!)
>costanzo@netcarrier.com
>http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo
>------------------------------

     Gotta love those Ford bug-blocks! I hear that's how the
Mustang 5.0 engine got its 215 beetle-power rating.  Apparently
the '98 and later ones are 4.6 l, dual overhead-antenna
bug blocks. Unfortunately many Oldsmobile 455's, and quite a few
Olds 350's too are unfriendly to bugs and stomp on them when
they meet them. Tsk,tsk.   We all need to coexist peacefully,
after all who would take on the nasty job of rolling about
little spheres of, ahem, animal excrement if the Ford bug-blocks 
didn't do it for us?

   I hear some Volkswagon folks think these engines make the
ideal transplant engine for their vintage  VW's - what more
celestial combination than a bug-block in a Bug? On reflection, 
insects have six legs, spiders(arachnids) have eight, so the Ford 
six-bangers should be the REAL bug-blocks, while the V8's should be 
properly designated spider-blocks. Hmm. Maybe that explanins the
frequent appearance of spider-cracks on those engine blocks.


- -John Carri

(Sorry, musta had hallucinogenic mushrooms in my omlette, but
who could resist the chance to have a little fun at the 
blue-oval guys expense?)

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 11:29:34 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: cat?

Make sure a hole hasn't been eroded in the floor pan above the cat. My
'77 D88 had such a hole, and it was hard to spot from underneth the car.
Found it when I pulled the carpeting back :o. For D88's anyways, GM
started to use an additional heat shield that was fastened to the floor
pan, sometime in the 80's. Parts yard plentiful as a retrofit.

BTW, for those drive shaft safety loop individuals, check late 70's to
80's D88s for them. I'm sure other models have them as well, and parts
yard plentiful.

- --
David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 12:39:42 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: F code was: My First 455 :  )

In a message dated 99-02-07 04:02:37 EST, you write:

<<  I didn't think we had ever actually come up with a way to positively
 identify the years. I thought the F blocks just generically covered
 '68-72 and the Fa blocks covered '72-'76. Did I miss a staff meeting
 somewhere? >>

Karl was actually referring to the F0 - F10 code found at the back of the
block or on the bellhousing (or whatever) as he believed that this was what
was originally referenced.
Karl's info states that these codes were found in 1968-71 motors and lower
F#'s indicated higher nickel content in the iron alloy. 
Would not expect a random year-to-year variation in nickel content so much as
a decrease in nickel content from 1968 to 1971.
(AND: So what about the 1965-67 BB's???)

Therefore; F0?

Most likely; 1968.

(Given that the previous banter is true.0

SOM

&KA

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:58:09 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???

I seen the movie last night and I must admit that Pontiac is sure a nice
car. Olds is #1 for me but #2 would have to be that 78 Pontiac with the
T-Tops and the bird on front. Anyway, the car sounded pretty tough, if in
fact that was the motor in the car making the noise. 
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Saleem676@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
> Date: Monday, February 08, 1999 4:07 AM
> 
> In a message dated 2/8/99 5:00:23 AM Eastern Standard Time,
shang@connect.net
> writes:
> 
> << I don't think they ever showed the engine..but it was '78 so I always
>  assumed it was a 403. >>
> One of the car mags had a wirte up on this a couple yrs ago. THey
actually
> used something like 7 different cars in the movie. I thik two of them
were
> powered by Ponchos, and there was even one with a 455 Olds in it. The
rest
> weere 403's. I'll have to dig through the stacks and see if I can't find
that
> article again.
> S.

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:56:29 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Links to Norwegian Oldsmobile Articles (w/pics)

I'm not up on my Norwegian, but at least the pictures on this site are very
nice:

http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/annet/amcar/usa/100aar.html
http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/annet/amcar/usa/oldsclas.html
http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/annet/amcar/usa/pace.html

His main site also has quite a few other articles; again, makes more sense
if you speak (or read) the language...

http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/annet/amcar/oldart.html
________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	    MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:11:32 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: 68 442 cheap (toy)

All of you 68 fans should be interested in this item.
Its a promo car in box for a 68 442.
I bid it to $100 but was out bid.  I like it but not that much.


http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=63450418

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:09:14 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Olds Engine Colors

Dave Wyatt wrote:

>Other than using F*rd blue paint on the 350
engine, everything looked pretty decent.  Why they did not use the correct
color or even 455 blue is beyond me.<

Are the same older engine paint colors utilized on the newer Olds engines?
If not, are these older colors available Olds direct, or is there easily
attainable after market suppliers for these paints. Any paint brand names I
should look for? Anyone have a memory of the different colors of different
older engine sizes?

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:29:40 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Links to Norwegian Oldsmobile Articles (w/pics)

In a message dated 99-02-08 12:59:18 EST, you write:

<< http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/annet/amcar/usa/100aar.html >>

For those of you scoring at home, that is;

www. "friends of the fatherland" .no/"the year"/amcar/"100 years".html

"100 years" is likely a best translation to Norsk of "Centennial"

K

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 13:38:59 -0500
From: "C Thomas" <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Engine Colors

The Paint codes are as follows and are 100% Acurate I Promise
1964-1965        225        Blue
1966-1971        250        Gold
1964-1967        330        Gold
1968-1972        350        Gold
1965-1969        400        Bronze
1968-1969        455        Red
1970-1972        455        Blue

Later
Chad Thomas
1985 Cutlass IROC-SS
1984 Cutlass 330 Rocket
1964 Jetstar 88
- -----Original Message-----
From: Gary Couse <gjcouse@francomm.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, February 08, 1999 1:11 PM
Subject: Olds Engine Colors


>Dave Wyatt wrote:
>
>>Other than using F*rd blue paint on the 350
>engine, everything looked pretty decent.  Why they did not use the correct
>color or even 455 blue is beyond me.<
>
>Are the same older engine paint colors utilized on the newer Olds engines?
>If not, are these older colors available Olds direct, or is there easily
>attainable after market suppliers for these paints. Any paint brand names I
>should look for? Anyone have a memory of the different colors of different
>older engine sizes?
>
>-----Regards,
>
>Gary J. Couse
>Couse Custom's
>
>ICQ# 5209322
>gjcouse@francomm.com
>gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com
>
>Custom Conversion Prototype:
>CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
>http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com
>

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:01:59 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Norsk Olds Website

Well (just between us) Karl went thru and D-loaded all the Olds Pics.

This is a right-click option for AOL and NetNav.

The pages are part of what seems to be a Net magazine with many sections.

If so, these pages could be "recycled" at any moment to conserve memory.

Trond?
Esko?

Anyone of our Scandinavian susscribers familiar with these sites??

SOM

&KA

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:02:22 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 68 442 cheap (toy)

On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Robert Schinkel wrote:
> Its a promo car in box for a 68 442.
> I bid it to $100 but was out bid.  I like it but not that much.

A few days ago I was high man at $46.00... thought it was too rich for me
when I went back to it and found it in the $70 range! Hope somebody enjoys
it at that price... heck, I could buy an actual car here for what that
thing would probably end up costing me in exchange, customs, shipping,
etc. Sort of like the $700 Johnny Lightning on there the other week. I can
understand they are rare, but it's hard to figure there are that many
high-dollar collectors out there.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:05:41 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '78 Olds Holiday Coupe in Conneticut

A while back I forwarded a note from Doug Kitchener advising that
Toro-meister Don Ross in Conneticut had found a fairly nice '78 Delta
Holiday Coupe for sale at a dealer in the Conneticut town he lives in. I
was sorely tempted to chase this car down, but passed. I was wondering if
anyone here looked at it or otherwise followed up? These are pretty
uncommon and this one sounded real nice.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:13:17 EST
From: Oldsfire@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Engine Colors

Fusick or Eastwood has the correct colors for the diffwerent years on engine
colors!!

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:28:19 +0100
From: "Trond-Jarle Pedersen" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: SV: Norsk Olds Website

> Anyone of our Scandinavian susscribers familiar with these sites??
> 
> SOM
> 
> &KA


Yupp Karl

I have seen this one before.
it is aktualy a reporter that is a car nutt just like us.
the pages are "cutouts" of the storyes he has written for the Newspaper
Fedrelandsvennen 
i dont think that these pages are going to go away yet.
he has as you can see a hole number of artikles about cool American cars
and sems to be ading new ones weekly/monthly.
I have seen those fotos earlier in the Norwegian magasine Amcar (
www.amcar.no) and i think he has "stolen them out of there.
he also has some cool clasic ad and some pix of the interior of some
cars(yes Olds to)
most of the pages contain a large amount of pix and some english writing
its just the storys that is in Norwegian
if you want more info on translation just ask and i will do my best.

Trond-Jarle Pedersen
icq:15898213

mailto:trondped@c2i.net

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:30:35 +0100
From: "Trond-Jarle Pedersen" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: SV: Norsk Olds Website

Sorry forgot, this one is a must for us Olds heads:

http://www.fedrelandsvennen.no/annet/amcar/olds.html


Trond-Jarle Pedersen
ICQ:15898213
mailto:trondped@c2i.net

69 F-85

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 14:39:00 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: 68 442 cheap (toy)

Since were talking prices on ebay.com, go and search up the Item #61187865.
Better sit down for this one.

Omega Man





At 03:02 PM 2/8/99 -0400, you wrote:
>On Mon, 8 Feb 1999, Robert Schinkel wrote:
>> Its a promo car in box for a 68 442.
>> I bid it to $100 but was out bid.  I like it but not that much.
>
>A few days ago I was high man at $46.00... thought it was too rich for me
>when I went back to it and found it in the $70 range! Hope somebody enjoys
>it at that price... heck, I could buy an actual car here for what that
>thing would probably end up costing me in exchange, customs, shipping,
>etc. Sort of like the $700 Johnny Lightning on there the other week. I can
>understand they are rare, but it's hard to figure there are that many
>high-dollar collectors out there.
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:52:12 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 307 valve train

> Can a 307 "Y" accept a regular cam and tappets? Not specifically talking
> about a "9" cam, but rather the many available after market. Are the
> rockers, & push rods length different between the 2 engines? 

'T'aint Y or 9 that matters, it's std or roller. Early Y motors can be
upgraded with standard cam and valve train components. Later years (85 and
up) have roller lifters, different lifter bore, different push rod length,
and rockers (I think). The cam has to be ground for roller lifters, and
also has a flange thingie in the front (and a cam button with spring).
Aftermarket cams are available for these too but cha-ching$.

>Yes, I realize
> the "Y" heads are rather choked with small ports. 

Again, only on roller motor heads (7A's).

>Why did GM go do that,
> emissions purposes?
> 

Federal emissions and fuel economy regs. Bring the torque curve to lower
rpm, use tall gears (or O.D.), lose the upper power band. Roller lifters
and roller timing chain gain back some of the power lost to friction in the
valve train, improve reliability, quiet the clatter.

drc

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:07:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Frank Iezzi <fiezzi@freenet.columbus.oh.us>
Subject: Need low cost insurance for old cars

Hello Olds Disgesters,
There is a company (maybe from Minnesota) who sells auto insurance for the
old cars at a reasonable rate.  Does someone have the name/address/800 number?
Are there other places you would recommend?
Thanks in advance!
Frank Iezzi
Columbus OH

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:20:13 -0500
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
Subject: Re: General Info -Reply

>>> Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca> Monday, February 8, 1999
>>>

Tony Molinaro wrote:
> 
> Good Morning All,
> 
> I want to start getting my car ready for the summer and have the
> following questions:
> 
> 1. Does anyone make headers for a 4 speed 69 442?

Wouldn't the headers for a 69 442 automatic work?  
 
I do not think the auto headers will clear the Z-bar on the clutch linkage.
The set of headers i am currently running(very old and flat spotted) has
the cyl.no 7 primary  go over the top of the z-bar. the z-bar then slips in
between primary for 5  and 7. I do not think the auto headers allow space
for that.

Tony Molinaro
69 442 4spd

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:24:03 -0500
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
Subject: Need low cost insurance for old cars -Reply

Try Hagerty insurance (www.hagerty.com.) i do not have phone
available They appear to allow you to drive the car without as many
restrictions as the others. ie drive to store to get milk, drive to work.

Tony Molinaro
69 442 4spd

>>> Frank Iezzi <fiezzi@freenet.columbus.oh.us> Monday, February 8,
1999 >>>
Hello Olds Disgesters,
There is a company (maybe from Minnesota) who sells auto insurance
for the
old cars at a reasonable rate.  Does someone have the
name/address/800 number?
Are there other places you would recommend?
Thanks in advance!
Frank Iezzi
Columbus OH

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 15:30:38 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Headers was: General Info -Reply

I have Dynomax headers on my 70 4-4-2 four speed car.  I would not recommend
them.  They lay against the Z-bar, hang too low under the car, and were the
hardest to install I have ever seen.  Hooker or Headman would be a good
choice.  Some of the catalogs like Jegs or Summit do not include all the
listings for anything other than ch*vy so you will have to ask your supplier
to look them up.  They are out there.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 12:54:32 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???

> I don't think they ever showed the engine..but it was '78 so I
> always assumed it was a 403.

Nope; could be a Pontiac 400. Mine was.

Quickest way to tell the difference is to look at the decal on
the side of the shaker hood:

"T/A 6.6" = Pontiac 400
"6.6 Litre" = Olds 403

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 16:08:05 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???

>Quickest way to tell the difference is to look at the decal on
>the side of the shaker hood:

>"T/A 6.6" = Pontiac 400
>"6.6 Litre" = Olds 403

Thanks Andy, I was thinking (dangerous) the above was correct, I just did not
want
to post it unless I was sure.  At some point the Pontiac 400 was a four speed
only deal
while the 403 went to automatic cars.  This was the period of using up the
last of the
Pontiac engines before we all got stuck with the corporate sbc in f bodies.  I
am grateful
we still had Olds engines a while longer, even though they were small ones.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:09:38 -0500
From: "Shokouhi, Mike" <ShokouhM@nasd.com>
Subject: source for hood hinges

Does anyone know of a vendor that sells hood hinges for a '69 442-H/O?
Supercars and Fusick don't list them, and I've heard mix reviews for the
ones that Year One sells.

Thanks for any help.

Mike Shokouhi
'69 H/O
'69 C*rvette-Conv.
'66 GTO-Conv.

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:12:20 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???

In a message dated 2/8/99 3:56:07 AM Central Standard Time, buehner@lyrea.com
writes:

<< Anyone out there have these shows memorized?  (Or otherwise T/A experts
- --wait,
 I should maybe rephrase ~that~!)  Is it ever verified what engine he's
allegedly
 running in that car?  I'm sure a stock 403 would be shot to hell in the
 beginning of the show, but it's not like it's all that accurate (Dukes of
 Hazzard-style scenes... yeah right!)  but it ~would~ be nice to be able to
say
 "Yep, that's an Olds doing that!"   :)
 
 Anyone know?
  >>


   If I'm not mistaken, it is a totally stock 403 Olds in ~each~ car. They
went through something like 50 of those cars making the movie.

Collyn Eastham
65 442
65 Cutlass

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:30:23 EST
From: MAT68442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds only show and go

Mark thank you for the info, (Dick Miller Olds show at Norwalk).


Mark
87 442
71 Cutlass S

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:30:00 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Need low cost insurance for old cars -Reply

In a message dated 02/08/1999 3:27:24 PM Eastern Standard Time,
AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com writes:

<< Try Hagerty insurance (www.hagerty.com.) i do not have phone
 available They appear to allow you to drive the car without as many
 restrictions as the others. ie drive to store to get milk, drive to work.
  >>

I have Hagerty and they liberal about the miles you can drive.  Their phone
number is 800-922-4050.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:35:45 EST
From: MAT68442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???

I don't know about all the cars that were used, but it's easy to tell if it
was a pontiac or olds motor. The pontiac motors (400) all had TA 6.6 on the
hood scoop, the Olds motor cars had 6.6 LITER on the scoop.

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:40:43 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Wash-away spray paint

Me and my friends want to play a joke on another friend.  We want some kind
of wash-away spray can paint so that we could graphity his car and make it
look like the real thing from a decent distance.  It has to, of course, wash
away easy.  I am just wondering if anyone knows something that would work
(and be cheap).  Olds content: It is a '86 Cutlass Salon.  Would be cool,
just as a joke of course.  Igor.

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:42:53 -0500
From: Doug Ahern <doug@mail.RATH.PeachNet.EDU>
Subject: Re: need radiator hoses for a 64 Olds Cutlass 330

Fusicks carries upper hoses for 65 and up, but no 64.  The Fusick's rep
on the phone said it probably wouldn't fit or else they'd list it for
the 64 as well.

I know there is a handful of 64 owners on the list, yall buy hoses
lately?  any ideas?   

I'll be quiet now...

Doug

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 15:44:18 -0600
From: "Norm Muelleman" <norm806@dialnet.net>
Subject: 403 Olds engine HELP!!

Ok all, after screwing with the damn headers...FINALLY got the engine out,
and on the hoist!
I'm doing the car craft fix-up...degreasing, repainting, new gaskets..I'm
also looking for some Olds #6 heads...

Anyway, the passenger side motor mount was bent, and the bolt broken. There
is a girdle that's bolted to the block, just above the oil pan. The engine
mount attaches to that with two bolts. Now, the girdle is held to the block
with three bolts. If I undo those bolts, will something drastic happen
inside the engine? Like, do these bolts hold a windage tray, main caps, or
anything else? It looks like I can undo the girdle, and just replace the
motor mount bolt.

Also, I noticed some oil very slightly flowing out of two exhaust ports...is
this normal? I figure it's just oil flowback from the top of the cylinder
heads down the open exhaust valves...but that doesn't seem right.

Norm (What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?) Muelleman
ICQ: 3156478
norm806@dialnet.net

View my webpage at: http://members.dialnet.net/norm806
Updated 1-28-99

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:38:29 EST
From: CARMAN442@aol.com
Subject: Re: clock conversion...........

   I used Boccardo Jewlers in Scranton, Pa.  He installed a quartz movement in
my Tic-Toc-Tac for my 1969 W-30. That was about three years ago and have never
had a problem . Oh by the way it keeps perfect time. The phone # is(570)
344-9021. The address  is 406 Spruce St.  Scranton, Pa. 18503. If you call ask
for Butch he's the owner and he does the conversions. Tell him Rich from the
Villa Capri Cruisers recommended him. He's a good friend of mine and will
definitely take very good care of you price wise. Who better to do a clock
than a jewler?                                            Rich

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:57:47 -0500
From: "Robert Collins" <collins@peterboro.net>
Subject: Protecto Plates-When did they start?

While cleaning the basement today, I came across the original User's Guide
and Owner Protection Plan booklets for my 65 Olds Cutlass.  The warranty
book did not have an aluminum plate attached, rather it had the original
purchaser's name typed in on the inside of the back cover.  There is no
indication that a plate should have been attached to it.  This is a Canadian
built vehicle, can anyone tell me if it should have the plate?  I have the
same book for a 68 Ch*v*ll*, I owned years ago and it has the plate.  What
year did GM start using these plates?

Thanks

Bob

Robert Collins
collins@peterboro.net

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 16:53:58 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
Subject: '83 H/O Wheel Question

Hi Oldsmobilers,
    Do the wheels on an '83 H/O have the same bolt pattern as my '64 F-85? I
think these chrome wheels would look great but want to make sure they'll fit
before I plunk down any cash. I'd also like to thank everyone who has
responded to my numerous questions. TTYL,
Gene

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:54:47 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: OLDSMOBILE vs OLDS W-455 intakes

Hey Everyone --

Does anybody know the REAL story behind OLDSMOBILE W-455 intakes and the
supposed OLDS W-455 intakes?  I have heard stories of the mold breaking at
the Winters Foundry casting plant. I have also witnessed back in the mid to
late 70s guys grinding off the MOBILE on the intakes.  I asked the guy why
he was doing that to the intake, and his reply was very typical of the
'70s.  "Olds" sounds more cool than "Oldsmobile"!  At the time I tended to
agree.

I have owned 4 1970 W-30's over the years and all of mine said OLDSMOBILE
W-455 on the intake.  I have had 2 1970 W-31's and both of these also said
OLDSMOBILE W-350. I heard that Winters Foundry casted these manifolds in
lots of 1000 or so. My W-30 Sports Coupe was made in October 1969 and my
W-30 convertible was made in April 1970. Both cars have the OLDSMOBILE
W-455 script.

One of the Olds muscle car books I own shows a photo of a OLDS W-455
intake. Was this mold really broken or were a few of the intakes ground off
because the owners thought Olds sounded cooler than Oldsmobile?

Just wondering!  Any thoughts?

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 442 W-30 convert
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
84 Hurst/Olds
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 16:57:17 -0500
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: '83 H/O Wheel Question

Gene

        Fits the bolt pattern just fine. Watch the rear tire combo for
clearance
problems with that quarter panel. They are tighter fitting than the later cars.

Jim Chermack


At 04:53 PM 2/8/99 , you wrote:
>Hi Oldsmobilers,
>    Do the wheels on an '83 H/O have the same bolt pattern as my '64 F-85? I
>think these chrome wheels would look great but want to make sure they'll fit
>before I plunk down any cash. I'd also like to thank everyone who has
>responded to my numerous questions. TTYL,
>Gene
>

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 14:39:02 -0500
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Rochester Carbs

thanks everyone for the explanations, ihave one final thing that might also
help to clear it up, i just remembered that when you start the car it runs
like crap (misfires like crazy) and blows black/gray somke, with a heavy
scent of oil or gas. if you stomp on the gas, it stops immediately
afterward. (approx 10 secs, hot or cold). after all that , its like nothing
ever happened.
Erik

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Gutlass66@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Sunday, February 07, 1999 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Rochester Carbs


>the shifting isnt the carb, its the tranny
>

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:10:22 -0500
From: "Gib Loudon" <cutlass@mill.tds.net>
Subject: Some Assistance Desperately Needed.

Ok everyone,
I have a question here that I hope someone can give me a good answer on.
Recently, my brother and I built a 72 455 and placed it in his 80 Cutlass
Supreme Brougham.  The motor runs like a raped ape, but it is being really
choked by the stock exhaust system from the old diesel.  I need to know if
there is ANY company out there that SELLS or MAKES any headers for this
combination.  Please email me directly with your replys.  Thanks.

Gib "The Rocketman" Loudon
Cutlass Net
http://www.cutlass.net
cutlass@mill.tds.net
loud5269@kettering.edu

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 14:22:11 PST
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ICQ - - - - Who has it?

anybody got the new march "MUSCLE CAR"mag?
i just got it ,it has a collector's signature series #.4 hurst/olds 
poster!it's of a 72 hurst olds cutlass.
if some one can't find it in you store's and want one ,ill be more than 
happy to get ,and send one out for you: )

Thanks


  My  -------   -------
            /  |
           /   |
          /     ------
         /            |
        /             |
       /        ------    DELTA 88
Ryan D Beck
           Riviera72sss@hotmail.com


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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 16:26:44 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Winternatls

Two Cutlasses in final, guess what, an Olds won, Jeg C. beat his brother
Troy in the finals, 6.989 @ 198.xx. Troy got out of shape, no contest.
All final round results at www.nhraonline.com

Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 14:22:49 PST
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: hurst /olds poster!!

anybody got the new march "MUSCLE CAR"mag?
i just got it ,it has a collector's signature series #.4 hurst/olds 
poster!it's of a 72 hurst olds cutlass.
if some one can't find it in you store's and want one ,ill be more than 
happy to get ,and send one out for you: )

Thanks


  My  -------   -------
            /  |
           /   |
          /     ------
         /            |
        /             |
       /        ------    DELTA 88
Ryan D Beck
           Riviera72sss@hotmail.com


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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:42:33 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: source for hood hinges

$25 plus shipping.
no rust...


Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454




- ----------
> From: Shokouhi, Mike <ShokouhM@nasd.com>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: source for hood hinges
> Date: Monday, February 08, 1999 4:09 PM
> 
> Does anyone know of a vendor that sells hood hinges for a '69 442-H/O?
> Supercars and Fusick don't list them, and I've heard mix reviews for the
> ones that Year One sells.
> 
> Thanks for any help.
> 
> Mike Shokouhi
> '69 H/O
> '69 C*rvette-Conv.
> '66 GTO-Conv.
> 

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:33:03 -0500 (EST)
From: dsenko@UU.NET (Drew Senko)
Subject: 88 article in yesterday's Wash. Post

Fans of the 88 may want to read the following article from yesterday's
Washington Post.  The author reminisces about the days of the 88 and the
roominess and power.  The article was taken from:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPlate/1999-02/07/241l-020799-idx.html

There was also a story in the print edition that I cannot find online
which was sort of a history story about the 1961 Olds with a nice file
photo of a 1961 Starfire convertible.

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THE LAND YACHT IN DRY DOCK
Delta 88

By Jeff Leen
Washington Post Staff Writer
Sunday, February 7, 1999; Page F01

The boat sails no more.

It's been one month now since the last of 10,076,295 Oldsmobile 88s
rolled off the assembly line at the Orion Assembly Center in Oakland
County, Mich. Launched in 1949, the 88 was one of America's most
enduring car models. It had the country's first high-compression
V-8 engine. "Make a date with the Rocket 88," the car ads blared
back then. Fifty years is an eternity in the car business. The Buick
Riviera only made it to 35.

To some, the Olds 88 might have been the epitome of the
bigger-is-better wastefulness of mid-20th-century America. To me,
it was simply, and happily, "the boat."

My earliest memories as a toddler are of lolling around on the
gigantic back seat of a white Olds Delta 88 during a drive-in showing
of "South Pacific." I learned to drive sitting behind the
aircraft-carrier-size dashboard of a blue Olds 88. I drove to college in
a yellow Olds 88 that weighed more than two tons and topped out at
125. A masterpiece of Detroit sheet metal housing 455 cubic inches
holding back 390 horses of pure American power. The boat.

The 88 was the quintessential American car. It defined its time like
Coca-Cola or IBM. Cadillacs and Lincolns were beyond the reach of
the great, growing middle class. Corvettes and Mustangs, well, those
hot rods were for the fast, fleet types you could never quite trust.

The 88, now, that was a car. Big and lumbering, fast and powerful,
roomy and spacious, it got you there, wherever you needed to go. It
was like the country itself at mid-century. It was solid. It was well
built. It was dependable. It had that no-holds-barred American scale.
And it had just enough style to permit teenage dignity.

And now it is no more, gone the way of the Iowa-class battleship, the
SR-71 Blackbird spy plane and other big, bad American icons that
have outlasted their usefulness. We don't need speed and power
anymore. We need stealth and gas mileage. We need cars with
names like Aurora and Intrigue. We need the news, not the Olds.

They stopped using V-8s in the Olds 88 in 1985, replacing them with
down-sized V-6s. When the last 88 rolled off the line last month at
the Orion Asembly Center in Oakland County, Mich., it was a special
50th-anniversary edition configured as a black four-door sedan with
gold trim. It immediately entered the R.E. Olds Transportation
Museum in Lansing, Mich.

A retired General Motors engineer was there to give it an
appreciative pat. "They were very well built," he told the Associated
Press, extending to the Olds the ultimate Olds compliment. "They
would make it to 100,000 miles, back when 100,000 miles was
unheard of."

And those would be 100,000 whooshing miles.

The 88 was, above all else, a cruiser. I can recall dreamily flowing
across down some Midwestern highway, watching the telephone
poles flit by, only to stare down and see the speedometer buried in the
nineties. So that's why they call it the 88. Whoosh. Slow down, boy.

If you ask me, the sexiest word in the car business is "roomy." Those
who have owned only Hondas and Toyotas cannot know the feeling
that a big man gets sitting in a car that gives him the freedom to be
big. That was the 88. It didn't encase you like a second skin. It was like
driving your house to work. And the back seat, well, that was like the
most comfortable couch in your house, if you get my drift.

Now I drive a Honda, and of course, it's solid and well built and
dependable, and it also gets great gas mileage. But it's like driving
your raincoat to work. And on those wide-open highways the
semitrailers come up and move you around with their whooshing
wind, making you feel like you're not even there, insubstantial, a
gnat.

My Honda weighs a little more than one ton, and it has about 90
horsepower and I don't even want to know how many cubic inches. If
one were to call it a V-something, it would probably be a V-4. I
recently got ticketed for speeding. I was driving 81 in a 65 mph zone.
It was one of the few times I've had my Honda above 80.

And just like my Olds 88, "the boat," I can't help but think of this car in
terms of a nickname -- something a friend started calling it.

"The go-cart."

(C) Copyright 1999 The Washington Post Company

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:37:38 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: need radiator hoses for a 64 Olds Cutlass 330

it will fit

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:46:05 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: OLDSMOBILE vs OLDS W-455 intakes

In a message dated 99-02-08 17:36:46 EST, you write:

<< Does anybody know the REAL story behind OLDSMOBILE W-455 intakes and the
 supposed OLDS W-455 intakes?  I have heard stories of the mold breaking at
 the Winters Foundry casting plant. I have also witnessed back in the mid to
 late 70s guys grinding off the MOBILE on the intakes.  I asked the guy why
 he was doing that to the intake, and his reply was very typical of the
 '70s.  "Olds" sounds more cool than "Oldsmobile"!  At the time I tended to
 agree.
 
 I have owned 4 1970 W-30's over the years and all of mine said OLDSMOBILE
 W-455 on the intake.  I have had 2 1970 W-31's and both of these also said
 OLDSMOBILE W-350. I heard that Winters Foundry casted these manifolds in
 lots of 1000 or so. My W-30 Sports Coupe was made in October 1969 and my
 W-30 convertible was made in April 1970. Both cars have the OLDSMOBILE
 W-455 script.
 
 One of the Olds muscle car books I own shows a photo of a OLDS W-455
 intake. Was this mold really broken or were a few of the intakes ground off
 because the owners thought Olds sounded cooler than Oldsmobile?
 
 Just wondering!  Any thoughts?
 
 Tony
  >>
Tony, there are actually 3 different intakes.  For 70, they used Oldsmoible
W-455 with the part number 406115.  Then for some reason unknown to me that
late 70 W-30 cars got Olds W-455 intakes with the same part number of 406115.
Then 71 and 72 W-30's got a Olds W-455 intake with the part number of 407570.
So Oldsmobile did some goofy things with intakes and many other parts

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30 Race Rocket
visit the Street Rockets web page at
http://members.aol.com/WMACHINES/site5.html

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:45:51 EST
From: Oldsfire@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Engine Colors

You forgot the 65 thru 67 Big Block that was a vermillion ( Redish orange) !!

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:00:23 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: OLDSMOBILE vs OLDS W-455 intakes

> Hey Everyone --
> 
> Does anybody know the REAL story behind OLDSMOBILE W-455 intakes and the
> supposed OLDS W-455 intakes? 

OLDSMOBILE W-455 is a 1970 intake part number 406115.  The number is the
most i,portant thing to look for.  I have had many W-30 intakes that would
appear to be 71 -72's saying OLDS W-455 but infact had the code 406115
which made them late 1970 intakes just before the change over to the 71's
and 72's.
As I have said the 71 & 72's have Olds W-455 and carry the part number
407570

Hope this helps..

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 17:51:42 EST
From: Oldsfire@aol.com
Subject: Re: hurst /olds poster!!

Find me one!!!  Let me know when you got it and I'll tell you where to send
it.   

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:01:59 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: 68 442 cheap (toy)

- ----------
> From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
> 
> 
> Since were talking prices on ebay.com, go and search up the Item
#61187865.
> Better sit down for this one.
> 
> Omega Man
> 
> 

I took a look and can't believe what I saw.  People must have just to much
$$$$
I wish i kept all my toys when i was a kid.  WOW!!


Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 18:08:12 -0400
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: Drag Racing expertise needed

I'm gonna be racing my '70 Cutlass S w/350 this summer and would like to
get some opinions from you Draggin' guys:

I am putting a stock 4bbl setup on it.
The cam I am going to install has its powerband from 2K-6K RPM
The car has a TH350 and will retain most of it's factory weight.
What kind of stall and gear would be best for this car?

I was thinking maybe a 3000 stall and 3.90 or 4.10 gear. But I'm sure
those of you with more experience can set me strait.

Thanks y'all!!!!!
- -- 
***********
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
***********************
'70 Olds Cutlass 'S'
'73 Olds Cutlass Supreme
'75 Olds Cutlass 'S'
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
*******************************************

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:09:00 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmail@webtv.net (mark sopp)
Subject: Re: hurst /olds poster!!

it is available @www.musclecarreview.com this is agreat magazine for
those that appreciate muscle cars in their original as built condition

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:12:40 -0500 (EST)
From: dsenko@UU.NET (Drew Senko)
Subject: clock quartz conversion / Hemmings

A couple of recent messages mention getting clocks converted to quartz
movement and the people said look in Hemmings.  On a hunch I pointed
my browser to http://www.hemmings.com and found their site.  They have
a way to look up parts and services vendors and I found the info
quickly.  Thanks for the pointer to Instrument Services, guys.  I'll
be calling them tomorrow.

I found no less than 18 ads for clock repair services on the Hemmings
site, and I didn't have to search through listings for other services
to find them.  This was really helpful and took no time at all.  Here's
the ad for Instrument Services:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
CLOCKS: all makes and models quartz restored.
Do-it-yourself original electric and quartz kits with
free how-to video. Speedometer, tachometer, gauge,
cluster, gas tank sending unit and cruise control
restoration; free catalog. Instrument Services Inc,
11765 Main St, Roscoe, IL 61073, PH/FAX:
800-558-2674 Mon-Fri 8-4:30 CDT. 
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:43:35 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: ICQ - - - - Who has it?

21779603!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Gutlass66@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 12:29 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: ICQ - - - - Who has it?


Would you guys send me any of yours ICQ #'s? I'm sure other olds people
would
love them too
THanks,
Kelly

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:48:30 EST
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds only show and go

            Does anyone else from the list plan to go to the Norwalk ohio
show? Maybe we can all meet somewhere?.........SCOTT

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 03:09:48 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: windown crank springs .....

every single unmolested original that I have come across has them my 69 has
them my w-31 had them my chevelle had them my GTO had them this is not to
say that there werent some cars without them lots of things happened at the
factory


>On Sun, 7 Feb 1999, Patton wrote:
>>         Did all 64-72 GM cars have window crank
>> tension springs >

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 03:22:26 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: broken fuel gauage-Help

probably the sender try unplugging the wire in the trunk and see if the
guage goes over full then short the wire coming from the front of the car
not the sender to ground and see if the guage goes to empty if it does it is
the sender try to find one it isnt easy trying to find one myself was
recommended to go to year one wish me luck if you find a better source let
me know...KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: patrick derkacz <patrickd@wwnet.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, February 07, 1999 9:29 AM
Subject: broken fuel gauage-Help


>The fuel gauge in my '69 442 reads half full(or half empty, depending on
>your perspective) no matter what.  Any clues whether it is the gauge or the
>sending unit.  Anyone know any simple way to test it?
>
>as always, any help is appreciated.
>
>patrickd@wwnet.com
>

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 03:13:42 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???

Smokey and the bandit 2 had a 301 turbo car witha custom nitrous system just
so it could smoke the tires even then it could only do it on water the ta in
the first movie was a 400 model after that your guess is as good as mine
- -----Original Message-----
From: GT5726@aol.com <GT5726@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, February 08, 1999 3:15 PM
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???


>In a message dated 2/8/99 3:56:07 AM Central Standard Time,
buehner@lyrea.com
>writes:
>
><< Anyone out there have these shows memorized?  (Or otherwise T/A experts
>--wait,
> I should maybe rephrase ~that~!)  Is it ever verified what engine he's
>allegedly
> running in that car?  I'm sure a stock 403 would be shot to hell in the
> beginning of the show, but it's not like it's all that accurate (Dukes of
> Hazzard-style scenes... yeah right!)  but it ~would~ be nice to be able to
>say
> "Yep, that's an Olds doing that!"   :)
>
> Anyone know?
>  >>
>
>
>   If I'm not mistaken, it is a totally stock 403 Olds in ~each~ car. They
>went through something like 50 of those cars making the movie.
>
>Collyn Eastham
>65 442
>65 Cutlass

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:01:42 EST
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ford bug-block

In a message dated 2/8/99 12:13:48 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jcarri@alesis1.usa.com writes:

<< 
 -John Carri
 
 (Sorry, musta had hallucinogenic mushrooms in my omlette, but
 who could resist the chance to have a little fun at the 
 blue-oval guys expense?)
  >>
There's no bugs in my 69 Mach 1 390 4spd, I can assure u John.
 Bernie   (F-Ch*vy) Gordon sucks !!!

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:06:02 EST
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: broken fuel gauage-Help

In a message dated 2/7/99 10:29:11 AM Eastern Standard Time,
patrickd@wwnet.com writes:

<< The fuel gauge in my '69 442 reads half full(or half empty, depending on
 your perspective) no matter what.  Any clues whether it is the gauge or the
 sending unit.  Anyone know any simple way to test it?
  >>
Patrick 
I had problem with mine this past summer in that it read full all the time.
Ended up being the sending unit had worn on the contact arm and acting as
though
it was full with no resistance in cutting voltage to gauge.
Before you go nuts"o" chasing wiring I's drop the tank and pull the sending
unit and 
check the swiper contact area. A simple massage on the contact arm cured mine
and saved me $75 that dealer wanted for new replacement.

 I was sure it was in the wiring for weeks and pulled gauge out, tested etc.

Just a thought but my money would be your having same type of problem.

Rgds,
Rob Thomas

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:10:46 EST
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: worth upgrading cam in a 350?

i would suggest comp cams 280h.  mostly small blocks are alot more cam
sensative than big blocks.  you could switch to an edelbrock performer rpm,
but you might have to buy adjustable valvetran.

mikeytvb@aol.com
70 442 hc

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:59:46 -0500
From: "Robert Collins" <collins@peterboro.net>
Subject: Re: Protecto Plates-When did they start?

>While cleaning the basement today, I came across the original User's Guide
>and Owner Protection Plan booklets for my 65 Olds Cutlass.  The warranty
>book did not have an aluminum plate attached, rather it had the original
>purchaser's name typed in on the inside of the back cover.  There is no
>indication that a plate should have been attached to it.  This is a
Canadian
>built vehicle, can anyone tell me if it should have the plate?  I have the
>same book for a 68 Ch*v*ll*, I owned years ago and it has the plate.  What
>year did GM start using these plates?
>
>Thanks
>
>Bob
>
>Robert Collins
>collins@peterboro.net
>
>

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:04:45 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Olds only show and go

Is this the Dick Miller thing you mean?  Or the Mondello show if it exists
this year.
I'll be going to one of them for sure.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of OLDS44272@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 08, 1999 6:49 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Olds only show and go


            Does anyone else from the list plan to go to the Norwalk ohio
show? Maybe we can all meet somewhere?.........SCOTT

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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 20:13:24 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???

Andrew C. Green wrote:

Darn it to Heck.  I wish I could remember which label was on the hood. 
I've seen that movie a half million times.  Defineitely one of my
favorites.
Brian. 

> 
> "T/A 6.6" = Pontiac 400
> "6.6 Litre" = Olds 403
> 
> -- Andy
> 
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 19:10:30 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: 68 442 cheap (toy)

Hmmmm, would I like a decent W-30 (full size) or a hot wheels
to put in a case?  Hopefully none of us would have a second
thought!

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

>
>Since were talking prices on ebay.com, go and search up the Item #61187865.
>Better sit down for this one.
>
>Omega Man

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:10:20 -0800
From: berusch@mindspring.com
Subject: '68 Cutlass Supreme

  To those who have inquired into parts from my '68 C/S hardtop, please be
aware that my mail service has been shkifoze for two days now.  It's back up
now.  Please try to re-contact if still interested.  Peter.

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:09:27 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: clock conversion...........

In a message dated 2/7/99 3:56:30 PM Eastern Standard Time, patton@ComCAT.COM
writes:

<< Who do we use for conversion to quartz
 clocks for our cars ????????? >>

My clock and all of the gauges were done by Clock Doc in 1994.  Everything is
still working great.

Their number is 800-256-5362.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 20:39:58 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: 425/455 block/pushrod difference

Hello all,
 A fellow list member and I were comparing some pushrods yesterday and
found that ones from a 455 were of a different length than those from a 39
degree/.842 425 [block #...244]. This puzzled me, as I thought they should
be the same.

 I wonder if anyone has measured these blocks from the crank C/L to the
deck? I ask because if you do the math on the C.H., stroke and rod length,
it tells me the blocks may be of a different height.

 455;
[C.H.=1.74"] + [rod length=6.735"] + [strokeX.5 = 2.125"] = 10.6

425;
[C.H.=1.615"] + [rod length=7"] + [strokeX.5 = 1.9875"] = 10.6625

 I didn't measure the difference in the pushrods, but it was around 
.040"-.060".

Dave Brode
64 Cutlass
.

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 20:50:08 EST
From: GHeath4138@aol.com
Subject: Help

I got a question for everyone. I am trying to find out what Body Paint code
is. On the body tag it has a -   - instead  of letters and numbers. Can anyone
help?

Grover

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 20:57:49 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: Re: Greg's cam upgrade 

Greg,
 I'm no cam expert, but here's my 2 cents - I think your combo is pretty well
matched. I bet you compression is a bit lower than you think, though.
I bet yours is a bit lower because with a cam that short, I would think you
would have detonation probs at 9.3 or 9.5-1.  Perhaps your timing is a bit
conservative, and you are getting away with it. Anyway...

 I feel if you go to a bigger cam, you'll  need  more convertor, and gear to 
make
it work well. More carb cfm, and a intake that works better at a higher rpm 
too.
[Performer rpm]. You'll probably need an 11" convertor too.

Dave Brode
64 Cutlass


>
>
> Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:15:39 -0600
> From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
> Subject: worth upgrading cam in a 350?
>
> Here's one for you cam experts.
>
> I was wondering through my folder of car receipts (almost crying) when I
> found my cam spec card.  I have a really mild cam and I'm wondering what the
> HP increase vs. cost to get a little more aggresive one.
>
> What I have: '71 cutlass, 350 with forged flat-tops and original heads with
> AIR bumps ground out and three angle valve job.  Comp. Cams roller rockers.
> Should be around 9.5:1 comp ratio.  TH-350 tranny with B&M 2000rpm stall
> torque converter.  3.08 rear end with 26" tall tires.  Edelbrock performer
> intake and 600cfm carb.  Headers, dual exhaust.  Daily driven, highway
> cruise of 3100rpms at 80mph indicated (most likely 75mph).
>
> I have a Crane max velocity hyd. cam with 260/272 advertised duration.
> 204/216 @ 050.  valve lift of 456/484.  The card says recommened rpm range:
> 1500-4000. I also used Cranes bleed down lifters.
>
> I shift between 5000-5500 when running it out.
>
> The lifters have over 50K miles on them, I was wondering if I should go up
> to a different cam and use non-bleed lifters.  I don't like my smooth idle,
> a little bit of lope would be nice.  If it's only going to be a little bit
> of HP increase, i won't even mess with it.
>
> Bring on the suggestions!
>
> - -greg z
>
> ------------------------------
>
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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 21:03:10 EST
From: Jman4215@aol.com
Subject: can you tell me

Can you tell me if olds made a 1966 vista cruser  station wagon and if they
did where you can get  some pictures some where. thank you

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 21:35:13 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Hot Rod

I would agree with that also.  If it had no engine and you had one to go 
in.  You didn't scrap the olds engine for the chevy. I just don't like 
it when you see a nice old's at a car show and ask the owner why the bbc 
and he says something like "This big block is a lot better than a 455, 
so a sold the 455 and put in the 454."  That always pisses me off. 




>jasonshreve@hotmail.com writes:
>
><< I agree with this.  It is my opinion that the BBC is the best GM 
engine.  
> But there is nothing worse than seeing a 442 with a BBC.  That is why 
I 
> have a 68 Camaro so I can enjoy my BBC with out ruining my Olds. >>
>
>
>even if the car was bought as a basket case, with no engine, and the 
guy
>already has a BBC, build and ready to go.  What if, along with all of 
this,
>the car is not stock at all.
>
>Bill (hope I slip by on this technicality) K


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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 18:42:33 -0800
From: "MULTIT3" <MULTIT3@CONCENTRIC.NET>
Subject: DID ANYONE GET THIS MESSAGE>

IS ANYONE THERE????
I am not getting any mail from this list for a couple hours.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of jason shreve
> Sent: Thursday, February 04, 1999 9:35 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: New Hot Rod
> 
> 
> I would agree with that also.  If it had no engine and you had one to go 
> in.  You didn't scrap the olds engine for the chevy. I just don't like 
> it when you see a nice old's at a car show and ask the owner why the bbc 
> and he says something like "This big block is a lot better than a 455, 
> so a sold the 455 and put in the 454."  That always pisses me off. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >jasonshreve@hotmail.com writes:
> >
> ><< I agree with this.  It is my opinion that the BBC is the best GM 
> engine.  
> > But there is nothing worse than seeing a 442 with a BBC.  That is why 
> I 
> > have a 68 Camaro so I can enjoy my BBC with out ruining my Olds. >>
> >
> >
> >even if the car was bought as a basket case, with no engine, and the 
> guy
> >already has a BBC, build and ready to go.  What if, along with all of 
> this,
> >the car is not stock at all.
> >
> >Bill (hope I slip by on this technicality) K
> 
> 
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