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oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, February 14 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1775



Re: New member, and a small prob(long)
(no subject)
RE: Rocket? Kettering.
Rallye 350 W-31 F/S
Re: Burnouts (TEMP SPARES)
Re: Rocket????
54 cutlass?
Re: Rocket????
Re: A Tale of Two Cars
Re: bad news
Re: cast iron welding....
Re: Ink
Re: Rocket? Kettering.
Re: Re: RE: Chevrolet 350
Re: cast iron welding....
Re: Rocket????
Re: Olds Straight 8: History Question
Re: Pushrods (non- Ch*tty or Sommerville) was: Roller Rockers.
1977 Olds Cutlass Coupe Available
Re: 54 cutlass?
Bye, gone racing
Re: Bye, gone racing
Re: Bye, gone racing
Re: Bye, gone racing
Cam Bank Angles
Re: 1032 Oldsmobile - Need Advice
Re: Rocket????
Gas tank strap cushion question
Re: Gas tank strap cushion question
455 Intake Valve Upgrade ???
Valve Cover Question
Re: Valve Cover Question
ds682 anyone ????
Re: Bye, gone racing
Re: Bye, gone racing
Re: Bye, gone racing
Re: Gas tank strap cushion question
Fw: posi conversion
24 Rules was:Re: Bye, gone racing
Re: posi conversion
Rebuilding 67 442/strip
15" Olds rims 14" for sale
RE: Rocket????
Re: Rocket????
Re: 455 Intake Valve Upgrade ???
RE: Rocket????
Re: 1977 Olds Cutlass Coupe Available
Re: 24 Rules????  B*llsh*t !!!!!
Re: Rocket????
Re: 1977 Olds Cutlass Coupe Available
Re: 24 Rules????  B*llsh*t !!!!!
Re: ds682 anyone ????
Re: 1977 Olds Cutlass Coupe Available
Re: 24 Rules????  B*llsh*t !!!!!
Sorry Greg
Re: 24 Rules????  B*llsh*t !!!!!
Re: Sorry Greg
Who is Tamraz? (was Re: ds682 anyone ????)
clock rebuild
Re: clock rebuild + more
425 [.842"/39 degree] and 455 pushrod difference
Re: 1977 Olds Cutlass Coupe Available
RE: Bye, gone racing
re: welding exhaust divider
Part numbers
RE: ds682 anyone ????
Tricarb Stuff (Re: Part numbers)
Re: Part numbers
Re: Tricarb Stuff (Re: Part numbers)
test new subscriber
RE: test new subscriber
Re: Cam For 330
Re: bad news

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 03:52:27 +0000
From: Ben Markert <radu@ciris.net>
Subject: Re: New member, and a small prob(long)

At 08:59 PM 2/13/99 -0800, you wrote:
>He was talking about a 68!!  His dads car is a 66. Pay attention.
>
Correction: My dads car WAS a 66. He sold it around 70-something, a few
years before he married my mom(I think 78? maybe). He bought it with the
original 400 in pieces in the trunk. It had an Iron Horse 350 in it. He
said that sucker would just up and fly. If it had wings, he could've hit
San Antonio, in 45 minutes :) Never did re-build the 400 though. My
grandpa, worked for Oldsmobile at that time, so he could get my dad
performance parts, it had a nasty cam in that 350.




Ben Markert, aka Lord Radu Lykan

'68 Cutlass "S" 350, 4bbl, auto: Lila

THM homepage - http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Park/5290

The Xena Page - htpp://www.geocities.com/Hollywood/Hills/2050

emails: radu@ciris.net , radu16@hotmail.com

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 08:26:05 EST
From: MGeltz31@aol.com
Subject: (no subject)

unsubscribe

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:32:07 -0600
From: "Charles A. Dempsey" <cdemps@lsumc.edu>
Subject: RE: Rocket? Kettering.

"jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Ok everyone calls an olds engine a rocket.  As in 350 rocket.  My 
> question is was this a nickname that started?  Or was is a term used 
> by Oldsmobile.

The engine, introduced in 1949, was the design of GM research director
Charles "Boss"  Kettering. I've read somewhere that GM didn't like to
use the designer's  name on their products (marketing probably had some
say in this too).  "The Cars of Oldsmobile" (Casteele) says that
Oldsmobile made rockets during WW II. The Kettering V-8 became the
Rocket V-8.

Charles

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:25:53 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Rallye 350 W-31 F/S

Was just at the store thumbing through an auto trader type mag and found
this:

1970 Cutlass S Rallye 350
4 speed, 3.71 posi, restored in '98
W31, W27, W45 (?) A/C
Protect-O-Plate, buildsheet
$10,500
708-572-4477  Williston, ND

Anyone care to try and document a Rallye 350 W-31 and prove they really
exist?
- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
95 Aurora 
OCA# 30442

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 09:28:26 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Burnouts (TEMP SPARES)

Igor T. '81 DRB 455 wrote:
> 
> Me and a couple of my friends put a set of temp spares on a '86 Cutlass and
> tried a bunch of burn-out.  MAN, did they ever smoke.  We left a 50 foot
> THICK line (one only, though) with the little 305 which can't really spin
> the tires even a bit with stock 205/75/14s.  TONS of smoke.  We did it in a
> mall parking-lot, on a deserted part.  Had a few people (guys in nice
> trucks) show up and comment about it.  Never saw much use for those cheap
> spares, but I guess I have found their true meaning.  It was awesome.  I
> would be scared of putting those pizza-cutters on my 455 Delta.  With the
> posi, we could get awesome smoke, but might blow the engine.

...or the tires....
- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
95 Aurora 
OCA# 30442

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Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 18:18:34 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket????

I believe that the problem surrounded the olds engine as well as the chevy
engine in cadillac as caddy owners didnt like being sold a car with a non
caddy engine...KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com <OldsRokkit@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 7:49 PM
Subject: Re: Rocket????


>In a message dated 2/13/99 6:08:23 PM Central Standard Time,
gregp@rbnet.com
>writes:
>
>>  that some
>>  brands of cars had another brand's engine in them.  There was a lawsuit
>>  over this at some point too.
>
>I believe it was regarding GM's decision to plant Chevy 350s in 1977
>Cutlasses.  I remember when I bought mine, the FIRST thing to do was to
look
>for the oil filler tube and the "R" engine code.
>
>-Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
> Midday Guy on Mix103FM
> Live Audio at: www.mix103fm.com

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 07:35:02 PST
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: 54 cutlass?

Im sorry guy's,but i don't know alot about cutlass's(i dont have one)
but this guy  my frand know say's he has a 54 cutlass.i did'int think
thay made them that fare back,and he wants me to fine him part's for 
it(being the olds man that i am : )
if thay did make them back than ,will it be really hard to find part's
for it?

Thanks for all your halp with my cracked 455,this last week,you guy's 
and gal's are pricelis.


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         /            |
        /             |
       /        ------    DELTA 88
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           Riviera72sss@hotmail.com


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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:49:37 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rocket????

In a message dated 2/13/99 8:31:00 PM Central Standard Time,
jerseydevil@mindspring.com writes:

> Hi Thomas,
>     You da man! And yes Wildcats are neat. I like an occasional Native
>  American also :-)
>  Gene

The Wildcats here in Kansas (KSU) didn't do so well this last year :-(


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 The Midday Guy on Mix103FM
 Live audio at: www.mix103fm.com

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:52:36 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: A Tale of Two Cars

In a message dated 2/13/99 11:03:19 PM Central Standard Time,
Dan442Olds@aol.com writes:

> I guess the biggest insult is when you go to sell a Chrysler Product.  No
>  matter how well they have been taken care of, the trade-in value (or
selling
>  price) is pitiful.  It dosen't matter if it has a new motor and/or trans or
>  whatever.  Its a Chrysler, and that's enough.  

Thank GOD, I didn't end up with the Neon I almost bought two years ago.
Latest book value is about HALF of what it was new!

- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 The Midday Guy on Mix103FM
 Live audio at: www.mix103fm.com

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:00:59 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: bad news

Assuming you did spin a rod bearing ~and~ looking at it from a worst
case scenario (high miles, run hard) plan on a full overhaul.  This would
be a full gasket/bearing/ring kit, new pistons, oil pump, cam, lifters, 
springs, and timing chain.  On the machining side of it, plan on boring 
the block (honing at a minimum) and having a valve job done on the 
heads.  This is the stuff that should be done at every rebuild past 100K 
miles for peace of mind.  This also assumes the motor's never been 
apart before.  There could also me some small stuff thrown in like worn 
out rockers and pivots, bad valves, etc that are fairly cheap by 
themselves, but can add up quickly.

Now, the spun bearing will throw in a couple of other expenses, like 
turning the crank (may have to get a new one) and either resizing the
rod or machining the main caps, depending on which bearing spun.
This can add up to a healthy bill but keep in mind that a good rebuild
should last at least 100K miles of trouble free cruising.  My advice it
to honestly assess your financial situation, watch the infamous 
"Mightaswells", and if your forced to skimp on any part of the rebuild
do it on the upper end of the motor that's easier to redo later on.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
   
>My mechanic just told me I probably just spun a bearing on my 67 Cutlass
>330.  We haven't pulled the motor apart yet, but I tend to believe him. 
>What should I expect to find when we do pull the motor apart, and
>generally speaaking, what do I need to replace and what can be
>salvaged?  I have leads on several other 330's and 400's in varying
>conditions, I'm just trying to explore all my options.  Any input would
>of course be greaatly appreeciated!
>
>Art Hoffmann
>67 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:16:24 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: cast iron welding....

Mike;
Seen it done, never tried it, will it work on deep and long cracks? I had a
buddy who was an ace on at all types of welding, he did all my cast iron,
the block I mentioned in my previous thread had a hole you could put your
head in, plus the pan attaching area was gone, I had the all the pieces,
welding it back together, sleeved it and align and cam bored it, it gave no
problems and was it was not heat treated after
Lou. 

- ----------
> From: Mike Bloomer <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: cast iron welding....
> Another option is to pin the crack.  If done properly it will 
> hold up fine, requires no heating, causes no warping, and
> all you need is a drill and tap.  Anybody else ever used this
> method?  I've done it on blocks and heads with never any
> problem but some people seem scared to use this method.
> Why?

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:20:25 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Ink

My "Ink" statement was meant to mean publicity. Like P.T. Barnum said, "all
publicity is good, whether good or bad, it's still publicity!"
Lou

- ----------
> From: LooseCanno@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca; SPerry1966@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Ink
> Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 1:29 AM
> 
> If I were ever to get any tattoo, it would definitely be an olds rocket.
> 
> A friend of mine, Impala fan, has considered getting the Impala as a
tattoo...
> I have to admit, that would also be very cool... but the bowtie would be
way
> outta line!
> 
> Erik
> '69 Cutlass 'S' convertible

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:17:58 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket? Kettering.

>The engine, introduced in 1949, was the design of GM research director
>Charles "Boss"  Kettering. I've read somewhere that GM didn't like to
>use the designer's  name on their products (marketing probably had some
>say in this too).  "The Cars of Oldsmobile" (Casteele) says that
>Oldsmobile made rockets during WW II. The Kettering V-8 became the
>Rocket V-8.
 
Don't know about rockets, but I know that Olds made cannons for tanks
and tank destroyers.  The only specific one I know of is the 75mm in the
M-24.  This is from some old WWII ads I have that feature Oldsmobiles
AND tanks.  How cool is that?  Just got to figure out how to scan them
so I can put them on my page.  They're huge!

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:30:47 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Re: RE: Chevrolet 350

1949 Model 76 was a flathead six, the "88" was the first OHV V8.
Lou
PS GM was supposed to put that engine in the Buick but the 8 cyn inline
Olds was really a pooch and panned bad by all the auto mags of the time,
best move GM ever did.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Re: RE: Chevrolet 350
> Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 8:17 AM
> 
> >Olds content....uh...Olds never did make a I-6, did they?
> 
> Of course they did, prior to 1950.
> _______________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
> http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:29:38 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: cast iron welding....

Lou,
I wouldn't attempt it on anything as severe as that but your common
cracks that go into the water jackets aren't really that deep.  The
important thing is to get the end of the cracks.  If you leave the end
of the crack another will form off of that weak spot which acts as a
stress riser.  I have used this method on cracks in combustion
chambers on heads, where the crack runs from seat to seat.  As
long as you can get to the crack,  and it's not any part that's involved
in structural integrity.  The length of the crack doesn't matter, it just
takes you longer to "sew" it up by drilling, taping, and threading in
the plugs.

Mike
>Seen it done, never tried it, will it work on deep and long cracks? I had a
>buddy who was an ace on at all types of welding, he did all my cast iron,
>the block I mentioned in my previous thread had a hole you could put your
>head in, plus the pan attaching area was gone, I had the all the pieces,
>welding it back together, sleeved it and align and cam bored it, it gave no
>problems and was it was not heat treated after

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:32:20 EST
From: BigEJ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rocket????

OldsRokkit@aol.com writes:

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:36:21 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Olds Straight 8: History Question

115 HP @ 3600 rpm in the "98"
Lou

- ----------
> From: Frederick Nissen <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Olds Straight 8: History Question
> Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 10:55 AM
> 
> 1948   257 cid
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas P. Smith <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Saturday, February 13, 1999 10:07 AM
> Subject: Olds Straight 8: History Question
> 
> 
> >Here's one for the Olds history archivists out there.  When was the last
> >year Olds made a straight 8 and what was it's displacement?  From those
> >few I've ever met who had/drove straight eights (mostly Buicks) they
> >thought it was a fine smooth-running engine.  Just curious about the
> >Olds.
> >
> >--
> >Thomas P. Smith
> >1971 Cutlass S 350
> >smithtp@ix.netcom.com
> >
> >

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:41:41 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Pushrods (non- Ch*tty or Sommerville) was: Roller Rockers.

K;
Yes, because of weight, plus I believe they're stronger, "Q" for Joe, are
they?. Main reason is weight as you were saying.
Lou

- ----------
> From: KarlAunan@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Pushrods (non- Ch*tty or Sommerville) was: Roller Rockers.
>
> Are pushrods hollow tubes?

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:52:48 EST
From: MrCraigMan@aol.com
Subject: 1977 Olds Cutlass Coupe Available

Hey Y'all

I have a customer of mine in Charlotte, NC who told me about his 1977 Olds
Cutlass S Coupe with I believe Hurst package. It is triple black, black
frenched roof, buckets, custom built 350 Rocket with 1K on clock. New carpet
and interior redone. It is a near mint jewel. It has a custom AM/FM CD player
as well. Also, it has new tires. I thought that I would pass it along since I
unfortunately cannot have it at the moment. If you are further interested,
reply to me personally and we can go from there. If there is interest I can
possibly have some pics made up for distribution. He is asking $3500.

Thanks,

Craig

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:07:58 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 54 cutlass?

Ryan;
1954, either a "88", a "Super 88", or a "98", no cutlass'
Welcome aboard by the way!
Lou

- ----------
> From: Ryan D <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 54 cutlass?
> Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 9:35 AM
> 
> Im sorry guy's,but i don't know alot about cutlass's(i dont have one)
> but this guy  my frand know say's he has a 54 cutlass.i did'int think
> thay made them that fare back,and he wants me to fine him part's for 
> it(being the olds man that i am : )

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:12:10 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Bye, gone racing

Off the air, Daytona is on, rooting for the " Man in black", snacks are
ready, beer is cold, do it Dale!
Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:13:07 -0500
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: Bye, gone racing

24 rules,......................      butch

Lou Biggs wrote:

> Off the air, Daytona is on, rooting for the " Man in black", snacks are
> ready, beer is cold, do it Dale!
> Master Lou
> lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:22:23 EST
From: CARMAN442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bye, gone racing

  anybody but  24 i'm sick of him. I must admit he's the best driver, best pit
crew, best car, best............of everything. Maybe he'll spin a bearing.
                                    carman442

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 11:21:59 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Bye, gone racing

His time is coming to an end!

>24 rules,......................      butch
>
>Lou Biggs wrote:
>
>> Off the air, Daytona is on, rooting for the " Man in black", snacks are
>> ready, beer is cold, do it Dale!
>> Master Lou
>> lbiggs@intertek.net
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:32:28 -0500
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Cam Bank Angles

Hey all,

	With all this talk recently of cam swaps and cam angles I thought we 
would
get this taken care of.

330  #1 coded block (64-67 ALL were 45 degree and had .841" lifters)
350  #2 coded block (68-7? ALL were 39 degree and had .841" lifters)
400  #B coded block (65 only 442, 45 degree and had .841" lifters)
400  #E coded block (66-67 442 39 degree and had .921" lifters)
400  #G coded block (68-69 442, 39 degree and had .841" lifters)
425  #A coded block (65 only, 45 degree and had .841" lifters)
425  #D coded block (66-67 NON - Toro all were 45 degree and had .841" lifters)
425  #D coded block (66-67 Toro all were 39 degree and had .921" lifters
455  #F coded block(68-76 ALL 39 degree and had .841" lifters) 

You can NOT swap cams between the 45 and the 39 degree blocks. They will
fit, BUT the cam timing events will NOT be as advertised. By degreeing the
cam you will be able to figure all the specs out using a 39 degree cam in a
45 degree block. Those using a 45 degree engine should call the cam
manufacturer to have them grind it for that engine. Will only cost a couple
dollars more. Big lifters were only used in the 66-67 engines. Toro and

442. 425's with big lifters are only Toro and will guarantee you a 39
degree block. They have become very difficult to find the lifters and when
you do they will not be cheap. Usually around $9.00 per lifter. The other
.841 lifter is common, and will run usually less than half the price of the
big ones. 

Hope this clears up any confusion. 

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 10:22:49 PST
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 1032 Oldsmobile - Need Advice

Beach324@aol.com wrote:

I have been offered a 1932 Olds 4-door that is in excellent condition 
with less than 25K original miles...Would this car be worth the $13,000 
asking price?
===================================================================
FWIW,

Sight unseen.  According to April '98 "Old Cars Price Guide", it is 
worth between $7700 (#2)to $11500 (#1)for a 4-door sedan and $8400(#2)to 
$12k (#1).  I would pick up the latest issue at Barnes and Noble or 
other fine book store.


#1:  Excellent.  Restored
#2:  Fine.  Well restored, or a combination of superior restoration and 
well maintained original.

Hope this helps,

Chris Rivier
Austin,TX
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST is BACK!
http://www2.bladeti.com/cars/
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 166K LAWN ORNAMENT!


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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:13:17 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket????

OldsRokkit@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 2/13/99 8:31:00 PM Central Standard Time,
> jerseydevil@mindspring.com writes:
> 
> > Hi Thomas,
> >     You da man! And yes Wildcats are neat. I like an occasional Native
> >  American also :-)
> >  Gene
> 
> The Wildcats here in Kansas (KSU) didn't do so well this last year :-(

Don't feel bad.  We're down a bit here also (University of Kentucky
Wildcats).  Six losses in a year is terrible.  Probably should have lost
one game (two at the most) so far.  Hopefully they are just marking time
to the tournaments.  Maybe I can borrow somebody's Cutlass and go watch
a few NCAA games.

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:18:27 -0500
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Gas tank strap cushion question

Putting the gas tank back in my '72 Cutlass.  (been out of the car almost 5
years)

2 Questions:

1) Is there supposed to be a cushion (felt or rubber type stuff) between
the two "rails" on the bottom of the trunk floor and the two "grooves" on
the tank?

     If yes:   what material, how thick and where can I get some?

2)  Is there supposed to be a cushion (felt or rubber type stuff) between
the two straps that hold the tank in place and the tank itself?

     If yes:   what material, how thick and where can I get some?

Looked in my "illustrated" parts books, chasis manual & Year One catalog
and didn't see anything.

In my "by-the-numbers" parts book I found part # 401794  for 68-72 F85
expt. S.W. & V.C.

Anybody "been there... done that" and could me tell what you did?

TIA

jp

mailto:jonparke@together.net

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:48:37 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Gas tank strap cushion question

Hi,
   On my junky old pickup I use roofing paper cut into strips and then
folded in half to double the thickness. I've also been known to use duct
tape to hold these roofing paper strips in place while I fumble with the
tank. I guess I'd do the same on a Cutlass too but I would be much neater
and trim the paper to eliminate unsightly overhang. Basically you want to
eliminate any movement between the tank and whatever it touches. If the tank
rubs against anything as hard or harder than itself it will eventually wear
a hole through it's outer skin and become leaky. I hope this helps,
Gene

>1) Is there supposed to be a cushion (felt or rubber type stuff) between
>the two "rails" on the bottom of the trunk floor and the two "grooves" on
>the tank?
>
>     If yes:   what material, how thick and where can I get some?
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:58:49 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
Subject: 455 Intake Valve Upgrade ???

Hi Guys,
   On a typical street performance 455 with C heads would there be a
noticeable improvement if I upgraded my 2" intake valves to 2.07"? Would
this improvement be worth the cost of new valves and machine work? 
Thanks,
Gene

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 12:06:48 -0000
From: "dayc" <dayc@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Valve Cover Question

Last night I attended the 50th National Roadster at the Cow Palace in San
Francisco, not very many Olds machines but I did find several Olds
powerplants.  On one I noticed some Edelbrock valve covers that had a finned
top with the Edelbrock name on it and "OLDS" in a circle.  Are these
available anymore?

I also scored a Johnny Lightning version of Joe Schubeck's Hurst Hairy Olds
quite cool - http://www.johnnylightning.com/showstoppers/showstoppers2.html

Corey Day
dayc@ix.netcom.com
www.netcom.com/~dayc/
70 Cutlass - 455

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:27:56 -0500
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Valve Cover Question

>On one I noticed some Edelbrock valve covers that had a finned
>top with the Edelbrock name on it and "OLDS" in a circle.  Are these
>available anymore?

Corey,

I believe they are a swap meet item anymore. Not listed in Edelbrocks
catalog. Only the chrome signature series covers are listed.

Randy

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:31:09 -0500
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: ds682 anyone ????

List,

        Kristine  (67' Cutlass) has a major wobble 
in her front end. Is the DS682 center link 
still available from anyone - JC ???   Fusick  ???  

Tanks
The General     :o{)}

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:38:11 -0500
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: Bye, gone racing

well not yet  :)  butch

Mike Bloomer wrote:

> His time is coming to an end!
>
> >24 rules,......................      butch
> >
> >Lou Biggs wrote:
> >
> >> Off the air, Daytona is on, rooting for the " Man in black", snacks are
> >> ready, beer is cold, do it Dale!
> >> Master Lou
> >> lbiggs@intertek.net
> >
> >
> >

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 14:57:05 -0600
From: <mljohns2@collins.rockwell.com>
Subject: Re: Bye, gone racing

So Close !!!!!







"B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net> on 02/14/99 02:38:11 PM

Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:
Subject:  Re: Bye, gone racing




well not yet  :)  butch

Mike Bloomer wrote:

> His time is coming to an end!
>
> >24 rules,......................      butch
> >
> >Lou Biggs wrote:
> >
> >> Off the air, Daytona is on, rooting for the " Man in black", snacks
are
> >> ready, beer is cold, do it Dale!
> >> Master Lou
> >> lbiggs@intertek.net
> >
> >
> >

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:17:32 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Bye, gone racing

Butch;
Darned if you weren't right, it was one heck of a race though! The kid is
good! Cannot take that away from him, I'm am complied by the junior AARP to
root for Earnhardt, I'm too young for seniors, too old for Gordon. Kinda
makes one like a teenager, not a kid but can't drink either. "War is hell",
Wm. Tecumseh Sherman 1879
Lou  

- ----------
> From: B. Vosburgh <bob442@svic.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Bye, gone racing
> Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 11:13 AM
> 
> 24 rules,......................      butch

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:23:34 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Gas tank strap cushion question

Jon;
This is strictly shade tree, but we used 30# roof sheeting, you know,
between the shingles and the bare wood, cheap, cut it to size, and wears
good, just don't tell anyone, they won't know.
Lou
PS Yes on Q1, no on Q2

- ----------
> From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
> To: oldsnet <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Gas tank strap cushion question
> Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 1:18 PM
> 
> Putting the gas tank back in my '72 Cutlass.  (been out of the car almost
5
> years)
> 
> 2 Questions:
> 
> 1) Is there supposed to be a cushion (felt or rubber type stuff) between
> the two "rails" on the bottom of the trunk floor and the two "grooves" on
> the tank?
> 
>      If yes:   what material, how thick and where can I get some?
> 
> 2)  Is there supposed to be a cushion (felt or rubber type stuff) between
> the two straps that hold the tank in place and the tank itself?
> 
>      If yes:   what material, how thick and where can I get some?
> 
> Looked in my "illustrated" parts books, chasis manual & Year One catalog
> and didn't see anything.
> 
> In my "by-the-numbers" parts book I found part # 401794  for 68-72 F85
> expt. S.W. & V.C.
> 
> Anybody "been there... done that" and could me tell what you did?
> 
> TIA
> 
> jp
> 
> mailto:jonparke@together.net

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:43:00 -0500
From: "-DLM-" <dmengel@nb.net>
Subject: Fw: posi conversion

- ----------
> From: -DLM- <dmengel@nb.net>
> To: olds_gbody@listbot.com
> Subject: posi conversion
> Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 3:53 PM
> 
> hi all, I am currently trying to convert the rear end in my 86 442 from
> limited slip to posi-traction. Heres what i know.. the current rear end
is
> the 8.50 ring gear and the gear ratio is 3.73. I have several center
> sections lying around.  from mid 80's cars. What i need to know is what
is
> the easiest way to identify a 8.50 center section. Where exactly do you
> measure the ring gear to come up with 8.50"? 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:15:14 -0800
From: "Tim Wurtz" <tropical@micron.net>
Subject: 24 Rules was:Re: Bye, gone racing

I think Jeff Gordon's time is beginning again Butch. This kid is awsome. He
was definately the best driver on the track, and it showed..............Tim
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bloomer <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Bye, gone racing


>His time is coming to an end!
>
>>24 rules,......................      butch
>>
>>Lou Biggs wrote:
>>
>>> Off the air, Daytona is on, rooting for the " Man in black", snacks are
>>> ready, beer is cold, do it Dale!
>>> Master Lou
>>> lbiggs@intertek.net
>>
>>
>>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:25:15 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: posi conversion

DLM:
Been racing forever, never measured one, don't know why, I guess I didn't
have a good reason, maybe outside to outside diameter at teeth?????
Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net

- ----------
> > From: -DLM- <dmengel@nb.net>
> > To: olds_gbody@listbot.com
> > Subject: posi conversion
> > Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 3:53 PM
> > 
> > hi all, I am currently trying to convert the rear end in my 86 442 from
> > limited slip to posi-traction. Heres what i know.. the current rear end
> is
> > the 8.50 ring gear and the gear ratio is 3.73. I have several center
> > sections lying around.  from mid 80's cars. What i need to know is what
> is
> > the easiest way to identify a 8.50 center section. Where exactly do you
> > measure the ring gear to come up with 8.50"? 
> > 

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:23:50 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Rebuilding 67 442/strip

Hello everyone.

You all catch the Daytona. Some hairy racing at the end. During the race an
old world friend called. He's got his hands back onto a nice 67 442 we had
built for the strip about 20 years ago. Back then the cars sheet metal was
kept original and we built the drive line and sprayed her with a 70's metal
flake scheme. He wants to rebuild as it was then. The cars body isn't to bad
today with reasonable needs, though an engine bay fire somewhere along the
way ruined the hood. He's taking inventory of the car and he'll need some
pieces. Basically that's the story. I'll be throwing out his needs in hopes
we can help him. For now, I'll start with asking if anyone has, or knows of
available:

A 1967 raised louvered original 442 hood. (Jim Chermack ???)


As to the 70's paint job, he has One box of, (and needs 2 more), a:

"Chartreuse" (Yellow-Gold) Metal Flake. The original flake was produced by:

Metal Flake Co. (something like) Haver-Hill Mass. Anyone ever heard of them?
I'm sure there will be a few more pieces needed for this car.

For a different project he's looking for a J2, (tri-power isn't it), air
cleaner. Mentioned it didn't need be an Olds. Could be the Caddy or Bu*ck
unit that was also made. (I'm not sure which other make he mentioned).

Please contact me off the list at gjcouse@francomm.com   (yes, it works)

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's
Route-1, Box-615
Purling, NY 12470

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:16:37 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: 15" Olds rims 14" for sale

I just picked up a set of 87 442 rims they are not mint but I'm not going to
complain.
The chrome is in decent shape but the area's around the lug nuts is covered
in rust, I am planning getting rid of it using a drill with a brush
attachment. I think that will get rid of most of it, then I will need to
paint them does anyone know were I can get the paint for the rims. Does
anyone have the paint number or a colour that is close. I have done this
with a set of 14" chrome rims and it worked out well, but black is not hard
to match.
Any information would be welcome, oh buy the way I am selling 2 sets of 14"
chrome rims

14" chrome rims very good condition w/ tires 2 mint (235/60 14) 2 ok (235/60
14) looking for 225$ Can or b.o. That's about 150$US

14" chrome rims fair condition first 100$Can or 60$US or b.o.

Thanks
Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:35:17 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Rocket????

Yeah, check it out:
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo/Olds/decklid.htm

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:39:22 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket????

Something doesn't seem right there, thats OEM, right.
Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net
- ----------
> From: Master Costanzo <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Rocket????
> Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 4:35 PM
> 
> Yeah, check it out:
> http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo/Olds/decklid.htm

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 15:46:49 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: 455 Intake Valve Upgrade ???

> Hi Guys,
>    On a typical street performance 455 with C heads would there be a
> noticeable improvement if I upgraded my 2" intake valves to 2.07"? 

Yes.  When I pulled my leaking heads off, and dropped back to the "small" valve
heads, I noticed a performance loss.  So it stands to reason the reverse would
be quite true :)

Would
> this improvement be worth the cost of new valves and machine work?

I guess that really depends on your machine shop's rates, I suppose.  Or you
could find a Toro set that already has 'em in 'em...

- -- 

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:52:50 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Rocket????

Well, Oldsmobile built 3 of those cars.  Two in 84 and one in 87.  In 84,
there was a Montana Blue one with the HO307 and it said "Olds" in place of
"442".  And the other was the same color scheme as mine, with a 350 that
said "Olds Rocket".  And then in 87, they dug up one of their old 403's and
built the "409 Rocket" to compete with the GNX, but only one ever made it
off the production line.  Somehow, the title wound up saying "Master
Costanzo"?  Go figure.  As I type this, I am exhaling cigarette smoke and
directed toward an anus.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Lou Biggs
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 1999 5:39 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Rocket????


Something doesn't seem right there, thats OEM, right.
Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net
- ----------
> From: Master Costanzo <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Rocket????
> Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 4:35 PM
>
> Yeah, check it out:
> http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo/Olds/decklid.htm

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:55:00 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1977 Olds Cutlass Coupe Available

There is only one Hurst Olds left from 77There were no production Hurst Olds'
in 77. It was a prototype with a marine camed 403, black , gold and red
stripes/lettering,special one off rear spoiler,front end treat and a one off
tach. The car is forsale by a gentleman in Jackson NJ(Kevin Low). It is still
in Hursts name...The guy who owns it has an email , his email is
KEV442@aol.com....if he did not sell her in Atlantic City this weekend I am
sure he is willing to deal...real nice , very rare car!!!
                Hot Rod Harry 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">1973 Olds Cutlass 455
4speed</A> 

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:57:09 EST
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: 24 Rules????  B*llsh*t !!!!!

In a message dated 2/14/99 5:15:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
tropical@micron.net writes:

<< I think Jeff Gordon's time is beginning again Butch. This kid is awsome. >>
Best driver my *ss. Its called money. He has the most financed team in Nascar.
He gets so many breaks because Nascar knows he's a cash cow. He brings in kids
and women to buy all kinds of Nascar stuff.  Lets see him do ALAN KULWICKI
style. Alan Kulwicki turned down big bucks to do it his own way...and HE DID
!!! You cant tell me that certain "cautions" are thrown so ole jeffy can
adjust his car.  He has no personality what so ever...he is so boring to
listen to...the perfect politically correct driver out there by far.  With
Dale Jarrett and Martin getting in a wreck certainly helps too. His driving
doesn't impress me at all. You could put any of the top drivers in that car
and the same result would happen. He has two test mules, I mean teammates that
run like sh*t, and he almost never talks about them. Why is that? Please,
enough w/this gordon crap !!!!

 F-Ch*vy        F - Gordon !!!!!!!!!

Bernie    Go 88  and   99  !!!!

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:58:41 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Rocket????

Master;
Smoking is bad for you.
Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net
- ----------
> From: Master Costanzo <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Rocket????

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:01:02 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 1977 Olds Cutlass Coupe Available

On Sun, 14 Feb 1999 RARE73OLDS@aol.com wrote:
> There is only one Hurst Olds left from 77There were no production Hurst Olds'
> in 77. It was a prototype with a marine camed 403, black , gold and red
> stripes/lettering,special one off rear spoiler,front end treat and a one off
> tach. The car is forsale by a gentleman in Jackson NJ(Kevin Low). It is still
> in Hursts name...The guy who owns it has an email , his email is
> KEV442@aol.com....if he did not sell her in Atlantic City this weekend I am
> sure he is willing to deal...real nice , very rare car!!!

This sounds like the same car that was for sale at the Centennial in
Lansing in '97, with no takers... so I doubt if the price will be dropped
if he didn't sell it this weekend. He wanted something in the 5 figures,
$12K or so as I recall. The prototype grille looked like heavy-duty window
screening... and truthfully, for the money he was asking I could think of
an infinite number of cars I would have instead. It just wasn't
impressive. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:02:34 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 24 Rules????  B*llsh*t !!!!!

ATTENTION!!!!!!!

This is not a NASCAR newsgroup or mailing list!

PLEASE DO NOT CONTINUE THIS THREAD!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:06:27 -0600
From: Shang <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: ds682 anyone ????

Year One still lists that center link in their latest catalog - $97. If
they do not have them, Tamraz lists it for $130

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

Patton wrote:
> 
> List,
> 
>         Kristine  (67' Cutlass) has a major wobble
> in her front end. Is the DS682 center link
> still available from anyone - JC ???   Fusick  ???
> 
> Tanks
> The General     :o{)}

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:10:06 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1977 Olds Cutlass Coupe Available

I think he will take around 6 or 7k and thats it...he has too many toys!!! The
grill is as Hurst had it and it is the real thing...may not be perfect , but
it is the only one!!! <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">1973
Olds Cutlass 455 4speed</A> Hot Rod Harry...See it on my site in the 73-77
Garage area!!!

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:19:07 -0800
From: "Tim Wurtz" <tropical@micron.net>
Subject: Re: 24 Rules????  B*llsh*t !!!!!

SUCH LANGUAGE...........sorry you feel this way.......I do disagree with you
in every way......He is a young talented driver with lots of
experience.....And will win more championships in the future......Sorry it
has to be this way.......Tim Wurtz
- -----Original Message-----
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com <RCKTPWR@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 2:58 PM
Subject: Re: 24 Rules???? B*llsh*t !!!!!


>In a message dated 2/14/99 5:15:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>tropical@micron.net writes:
>
><< I think Jeff Gordon's time is beginning again Butch. This kid is awsome.
>>
>Best driver my *ss. Its called money. He has the most financed team in
Nascar.
>He gets so many breaks because Nascar knows he's a cash cow. He brings in
kids
>and women to buy all kinds of Nascar stuff.  Lets see him do ALAN KULWICKI
>style. Alan Kulwicki turned down big bucks to do it his own way...and HE
DID
>!!! You cant tell me that certain "cautions" are thrown so ole jeffy can
>adjust his car.  He has no personality what so ever...he is so boring to
>listen to...the perfect politically correct driver out there by far.  With
>Dale Jarrett and Martin getting in a wreck certainly helps too. His driving
>doesn't impress me at all. You could put any of the top drivers in that car
>and the same result would happen. He has two test mules, I mean teammates
that
>run like sh*t, and he almost never talks about them. Why is that? Please,
>enough w/this gordon crap !!!!
>
> F-Ch*vy        F - Gordon !!!!!!!!!
>
>Bernie    Go 88  and   99  !!!!
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 16:20:36 -0800
From: "Tim Wurtz" <tropical@micron.net>
Subject: Sorry Greg

You are right about this..............
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: 24 Rules???? B*llsh*t !!!!!


>
>ATTENTION!!!!!!!
>
>This is not a NASCAR newsgroup or mailing list!
>
>PLEASE DO NOT CONTINUE THIS THREAD!
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:29:58 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: 24 Rules????  B*llsh*t !!!!!

Bernie;
I wouldn't have been as vocal as you, but you made a good point. Money
talks and BS walks. Only reason I used to do fairly good was cubic bucks,
I'm a good machinist, good driver, good tuner, but I had parts you couldn't
buy from anyone. When you have five engine combos, five header combos, five
flywheel combos, five sets of new Goodyear's slicks, all diff. compounds,
and exotic parts and etc., way too many to list, you darn sure have an
edge. And I wasn't fully financed. Chry
rented Orange county for us to test in for the Winternatls, I watched Dick
Landy make 50 passes in a row, smoking his cigar, try another engine and
etc. And thats where it's at, unfortunately. And I'm talking about the mid
70s, it's a lot worse today. Not trying to say R. Childress is poor, Gordon
is GMs fair haired boy right now.  Don't want to sound like sour grapes
here but you have a really good point. .My 02 cents +.
Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net


- ----------
> From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 24 Rules????  B*llsh*t !!!!!
> Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 4:57 PM
> 
> In a message dated 2/14/99 5:15:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> tropical@micron.net writes:
> 
> << I think Jeff Gordon's time is beginning again Butch. This kid is
awsome. >>
> Best driver my *ss. Its called money. He has the most financed team in
Nascar.
> He gets so many breaks because Nascar knows he's a cash cow. He brings in
kids
> and women to buy all kinds of Nascar stuff.  Lets see him do ALAN
KULWICKI
> style. Alan Kulwicki turned down big bucks to do it his own way...and HE
DID
> !!! You cant tell me that certain "cautions" are thrown so ole jeffy can
> adjust his car.  He has no personality what so ever...he is so boring to
> listen to...the perfect politically correct driver out there by far. 
With
> Dale Jarrett and Martin getting in a wreck certainly helps too. His
driving
> doesn't impress me at all. You could put any of the top drivers in that
car
> and the same result would happen. He has two test mules, I mean teammates
that
> run like sh*t, and he almost never talks about them. Why is that? Please,
> enough w/this gordon crap !!!!
> 
>  F-Ch*vy        F - Gordon !!!!!!!!!
> 
> Bernie    Go 88  and   99  !!!!

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:32:49 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Sorry Greg

Me too, Greg, wrote it before I heard from you. No thinking here.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Tim Wurtz <tropical@micron.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Sorry Greg

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:37:12 -0500
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Who is Tamraz? (was Re: ds682 anyone ????)

I've heard of Tamraz many times here and other places, but don't know who
they are.  Are they a Year-One type outfit?  Do they have a website I could
visit...and what years of Olds do they cover?

Thanks!

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://members.xoom.com/jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Shang <shang@connect.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: ds682 anyone ????


>Year One still lists that center link in their latest catalog - $97. If
>they do not have them, Tamraz lists it for $130

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:43:45 -0500
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: clock rebuild

List,

        I just finished my clock rebuild......
rather easy - just took my time and watched
the video........ will give a follow up on how
it runs....

The General    :o{)}

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:56:19 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: clock rebuild + more

Patton:
Need one (clock)for a 75 Cutlass Supreme, I have a new AM radio for a 75
Olds, anyone interested, probably not, but I have one, cheap!
Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net

- ----------
> From: Patton <patton@ComCAT.COM>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: clock rebuild

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:58:17 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: 425 [.842"/39 degree] and 455 pushrod difference

Hello all,
 I want to thank all who responded to my post[s] about the difference in
 pushrod length between a 39 degree/.842" lifter 425 [block #...244],
and a '68 455.  The 425 has longer pushrods.

 I thought I had it figured out, when late at night, I screwed up the math
while comparing  [ strokeX.5 + rod + piston  C.H ], and [in error] came
up with a difference of 60 thou.  After having my math ego deflated by
Member Dr. R. Barry, I realized that there is no significant
difference in block height between the 425 and 455.

 I believe the .842/39 degree 425 and the 455 take the same lifter and
timing chain, so perhaps the difference is in the heads somewhere.

 Does anyone out there have factory parts books? Are the valves for a
'67 "C" head the same as a '68 "C" head?

Dave Brode
64 Cutlass

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:09:17 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1977 Olds Cutlass Coupe Available

I just talked to the owner of the 77 Hurst Olds prototype....he did not sell
her at Atlantic City and I tried to see if he would sell for 6 or 7k ....he
said he could not sell that low but he would take 9000...that to me is a deal
for such a rare, documented , one of a kind Hurst Olds. I wish I had the
money...but I would have to sell my 73 to get the 77...and I cant do that.
Just thought I would try and help some of our email members have a one of kind
car that knowone will else ever have. Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:12:45 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Bye, gone racing

Ya had to go jinks it didn't ya. Darn!!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of CARMAN442@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 1999 12:22 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Bye, gone racing
>
>
>   anybody but  24 i'm sick of him. I must admit he's the best
> driver, best pit
> crew, best car, best............of everything. Maybe he'll spin a bearing.
>                                     carman442
>

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:10:04 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: re: welding exhaust divider

To  David,
 I think there is quite a risk in welding up the divider. Cast tends to
crack when cooling after being welded, unless done in an oven.
There is a water jacket under the exhaust port floor. You can cut the
exhaust side of the head back .175" or so, which 'brings" the divider
out flush with the rest of the exhaust flange. I've done this and it
works
well, although sometimes you need to slot the header/manifold holes
and move it up, or otherwise modify the header.

I think brazing is a bit safer if you choose not to cut the head back.
You can buy large [apx 1/4"X1/4"] "rods" of cast iron
[for gas welding cast iron], which can be fitted and brazed into place.

Dave Brode
64 Cutlass
[with exhaust side cut .175" on "C" head, crossovers poured with
aluminum]

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:23:59 -0500 (EST)
From: OLDS72W30@webtv.net (Todd Thomas)
Subject: Part numbers

I picked up a tri-power intake manifold over the weekend, but I am not
to sure what it is for,the part number is 571145.
I also picked up a carb to go with it( just one ) the number on it is
7024110. I dont know if these parts are GM or not. If anyone knows what
these parts are for please let me know,I am stumped.
Todd Thomas
72W30
P.S. The manifold also has a D1 on it and the firing order 18736542.

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 19:48:03 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: ds682 anyone ????

Yo General,


J.C. Whitney lists a "Center Link" in catalog # 621J price good 3/31/99

Page 197   PN# 85FV8080B   Fit 68 - 72 ALL   $34.98

Phone# (312)431-6102     Web:  www.jcwhitneyusa.com

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's
Route-1, Box-615
Purling, NY 12470

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com 

Custom Conversion Prototype: 
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Patton
> Sent: Sunday, February 14, 1999 3:31 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: ds682 anyone ????
> 
> 
> 
> List,
> 
>         Kristine  (67' Cutlass) has a major wobble 
> in her front end. Is the DS682 center link 
> still available from anyone - JC ???   Fusick  ???  
> 
> Tanks
> The General     :o{)}
> 

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:50:01 -0500
From: "Michael A. Evans" <evans1@net-link.net>
Subject: Tricarb Stuff (Re: Part numbers)

Todd,

I just happened to have my '66 tricarb setup here handy.....the manifold is
number 393238, and carbs are 7026055, 7026056, and 7026057, so at least I
can tell you what it isn't. ;-)

Mike Evans
Richland, MI

At 07:23 PM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I picked up a tri-power intake manifold over the weekend, but I am not
>to sure what it is for,the part number is 571145.
>I also picked up a carb to go with it( just one ) the number on it is
>7024110. I dont know if these parts are GM or not. If anyone knows what
>these parts are for please let me know,I am stumped.
>Todd Thomas
>72W30
>P.S. The manifold also has a D1 on it and the firing order 18736542.
>
>

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:56:52 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Part numbers

18436572 is GM

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> From: Todd Thomas <OLDS72W30@webtv.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Part numbers
> Date: Sunday, February 14, 1999 6:23 PM
> 
> I picked up a tri-power intake manifold over the weekend, but I am not
> to sure what it is for,the part number is 571145.
> I also picked up a carb to go with it( just one ) the number on it is
> 7024110. I dont know if these parts are GM or not. If anyone knows what
> these parts are for please let me know,I am stumped.
> Todd Thomas
> 72W30
> P.S. The manifold also has a D1 on it and the firing order 18736542.

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 18:58:34 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Tricarb Stuff (Re: Part numbers)

But 7xxxxxx is GM #

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> From: Michael A. Evans <evans1@net-link.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Tricarb Stuff (Re: Part numbers)
> Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 6:50 PM
> 
> Todd,
> 
> I just happened to have my '66 tricarb setup here handy.....the manifold
is
> number 393238, and carbs are 7026055, 7026056, and 7026057, so at least I
> can tell you what it isn't. ;-)
> 
> Mike Evans
> Richland, MI
> 
> At 07:23 PM 2/14/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >I picked up a tri-power intake manifold over the weekend, but I am not
> >to sure what it is for,the part number is 571145.
> >I also picked up a carb to go with it( just one ) the number on it is
> >7024110. I dont know if these parts are GM or not. If anyone knows what
> >these parts are for please let me know,I am stumped.
> >Todd Thomas
> >72W30
> >P.S. The manifold also has a D1 on it and the firing order 18736542.
> >
> >

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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 17:09:05 -0800 (PST)
From: carl g <cngtwo@yahoo.com>
Subject: test new subscriber

test ? 



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Date: Sun, 14 Feb 1999 20:13:42 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: test new subscriber

You made it Carl G.  Got any cool cars?

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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Sent: Sunday, February 14, 1999 8:09 PM
To: olds list
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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 01:26:31 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Cam For 330

>330s have the same bank as 350's, all of em

Cylinder bank, yes, both are 90º.

Camshaft Bank Angle (measured from vertical), no, early 330's used a 45º
CBA, while 1967 330's (reportedly) and all '68->onward Olds V-8's used a 39º
CBA.
_______________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 01:30:38 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: bad news

>My mechanic just told me I probably just spun a bearing on my 67 Cutlass
>330.  We haven't pulled the motor apart yet, but I tend to believe him. 
>What should I expect to find when we do pull the motor apart, and

Probably the rods for cyls # 1 & 2 on the first throw of the crankshaft will
have the bearing "smeared" from actual metal-to-metal contact with the
crankshaft journal. When you unbolt those rod caps, the bearing will
probably fall out in your hands, or else be wrapped 3/4 way around the journal.

>generally speaaking, what do I need to replace and what can be
>salvaged?  

You'll have to resize those rods, and determine if the crankshaft journals
can be ground undersized to machine out the grooves that are caused by the
now-defunct bearing no longer doing its job.

>I have leads on several other 330's and 400's in varying
>conditions, I'm just trying to explore all my options.  Any input would
>of course be greaatly appreeciated!

If you need any excuse to move up to a 400, 425 or a 455, this would be a
perfect opportunity! :)
_______________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels

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