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oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, January 6 1999     Volume 01 : Number 1703



Test dont read
Re: documentation 
Re: EXHAUST LEAK ?????
Re: Donor vin tags and titles
Tranny Q
Re: Problem with front suspension rebuild
RE: Cats and tachs
RE: Donor vin tags and titles
Re: Fisher Body Manuals For Sale
Re: Dual Exhaust
ATTN 67' OWNERS ...
Oops
Re: Dual Exhaust
RE: Tranny Q
Re: Propane Conversion(it's good)
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: Dual Exhaust
Re: Donor bodies - long
ignore - test
documentation (was Doner Bodies)
Re. DONOR (save the rocket muscle)
Cars for sale.
Re: ATTN 67' OWNERS ...
Re: EXHAUST LEAK ?????
Re: Hurst Hairy Olds in JWO
Re: Hurst Hairy Olds in JWO
Olds W-31
Water in Gas?
Re: Funny noises (was Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams
Re: Olds W-31
Re: Olds W-31 (I Miss mine)
Re: Funny noises (was Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams
Re: Tranny Q
Re: Olds W-31
Bravo
Valve clearance
My email adress changed(non olds)
RE: Donor bodies - long
Re: Donor bodies - long
Re: Donor bodies - long(not anymore...to the point)
Re: documentation (was Doner Bodies)
Re: Valve clearance
Re: Olds W-31
Could someone spare a digest 
Re: Fisher Body Manuals For Sale
Olds events
Retro Olds in the cards?
I know of an Oldsmobile in a movie
Re: Donor vin tags and titles
Re: Olds W-31
Re: Olds events
Oldsmobile Homecomming Show
Bad Wiper Switch?

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 00:22:05 +0100
From: "Trond Pedersen" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: Test dont read

Test dont read

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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 15:10:58 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: documentation 

Tony Waldner wrote:
> <snip>
> Both cars have number matching drivetrains and such but I think the cowl
> tag on my convertible (Just like yours) has been messed with. It looks
> intact and everyhing pans out to a lansing built 442 convert but there is
> NO paint code!  I have a feeling that someone ground the paint code off to
> change the color of the car.  I bought the car from a friend of mine, so I
> know the car's history from 1984 to present.  Before 1984 who knows?
<snip>




Tony,

It sounds like your 1970 conv. is possibly one of 
the special order colors (#38 Aegean Aqua, 
#51 Sebring Yellow or #53 Nugget Gold).  
Often the cars with special order colors will 
have two dashes (- -) prior to the PNT code 
on the trim tag.  I have also seen the special 
order colors very lightly STAMPED into the tag 
(as opposed to the RAISED numbers and letters 
on the rest of the tag).  Often these stamped
codes get filled in when the cowl is painted.
So it might take some paint stripper to find
them.  Might be worth a look.......            


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 
Portland, Oregon  503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 18:30:17 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: EXHAUST LEAK ?????

Check your motor and trans mounts for any indiscrepancies.  COuld be
that even though you don't suspect them for any other reasons they could
be the culprits.  Also check around under the car for any shiny metal
that would indicate rubbing or vibrating (you probably already knew
that).
Just my uneducated guesses,
Brian.

scott slater wrote:
> 
> I just got my dual exhaust on my 78 Cutlass Supreme.  My car has no
> catalytic converter so the problem is something else.  The problem is
> the exhaust makes a funny almost wide open leak noise when the car is in
> reverse only.  It has made this noise ever since I put a 350 in it.  I
> used to have just a piece of straight pipe and a turbo ending before the
> rearend and even then when it was blaring loud I could hear the noise.
> My brother thinks the noise is pipe hitting the frame.  I already tried
> tightning the bolts and moving the flanges around and the noise
> continues.  Anyone out there that has ever had this problem or knows how
> to solve it or what may be doing it please E-Mail the answers or your
> opinion on what it may be.
> 
> SCOTT SLATER
> 70 CUTLASS SUPREME
> 78 CUTLASS SUPREME
> 
> ______________________________________________________
> Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:28:54 -0500
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Donor vin tags and titles

I've got a 66 442 convertible cowl w/vin and clean title.  Would it be
illegal to sell it?  Immoral yes, but illegal?

Ken

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:38:58 EST
From: DrkSole96@aol.com
Subject: Tranny Q

Hi, just a quick question here.. the th350 in my 73 is really starting to go,
and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions for a replacement.  I'm thinking
of getting a B&M street and strip job through the local parts store, but they
only offer th350's with a six" tailshaft.  Is this same as what't on a 73
Cutlass with a 350 or is it a different length?  I'm going with the B&M as I'm
planning on adding a built 425 this summer and wanted a beefier tranny..
Thanks,
Donovan
73 Cutlass Supreme 

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:41:51 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Problem with front suspension rebuild

Here's a possible solution I learned from my wife's RX-7:

Take a small piece of L-channel and drill a hole in it the size of the bolt
head and located so one of the flats on the bolt rests on the side of the
channel.  Then weld the channel in place where the bolt will go.  They did
this with several of the rear suspension bolts, made it easy to remove the
assembly since you didn't have to hold the bolt head, just turn the nut (but
wait, I was holding the wrench, you can't turn me..................)

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:46:35 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Cats and tachs

Speaking of cats, my late cat participated in the 97 Hot Rod Power Tour.  He
loved my car, and hung out on the catrest most of the time (aka armrest).
He kicked ass.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
84 Calais
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:50:31 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Donor vin tags and titles

there are many other places on the car that hav the vin other than the
cowl...where?  I don't know.  It could come back to haunt you someday
depending on what happens to the car that gets that vin.  You'd have to
transfer the title as well as sell the vin, so that leaves a paper
history...I just manufacter vins with my metal tag machine and manufacture
titles at Kinko's.  not really...

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
84 Calais
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 6:29 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Donor vin tags and titles


I've got a 66 442 convertible cowl w/vin and clean title.  Would it be
illegal to sell it?  Immoral yes, but illegal?

Ken

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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:48:33 EST
From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Subject: Re: Fisher Body Manuals For Sale

Got a '69?  I see almost all but that one, doesn't hurt to ask...

Dave

On Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:03:13 EST ANTIQOLDS@aol.com writes:
>
>
>
> I have the following Fisher Body Service Manuals for Sale  All 
>Manuals are
> $25.00 each plus $5.00 Shipping & Handling
> 
> 1967, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 

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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:48:32 EST
From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

Here's a solution...buy a car that was made before they had cats.  No
problem modifying my '69.  No cats to worry about! ;)


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

>PS Was going to try to cheat, no one with 1/2 a brain will touch it, 
>tried
>to get pipes bent and then put them on myself and couldn't any 
>reasonable
>shop to make them.

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:49:59 -0500
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: ATTN 67' OWNERS ...

LIST,

       A friend w/o Enet access ask me to send
him a center front bumper bracket and fasteners.
Section 14 of the FAM shows this setup. I went
out to my daily driver to take a look - no bracket.
Holes were in the bumper and the hood release
tower to accept the bracket but no bracket. I then
went through my parts bins, and found the two
hood release towers from the other cars I have.
No brackets.......I now check the bumpers.......
both bumpers show signs that a bolt had been
there......I lost both brackets and my daily driver
has none...........the car my friend in Iowa is
restoring has no bracket..........

Any help ????
Any thoughts ???

Tanks
The General    :o{)}
a bolt had been there at one time 

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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:55:33 EST
From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Subject: Oops

Hi all,

I deleted a bunch of my email accidentally.  If anyone replied to me
concerning the '69 Cutlass bumper/grilles, etc that I need, please resend
your email to me at dpauliso@juno.com

Thanks, and sorry,

Dave


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 18:55:33 EST
From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

Here's a solution...buy a car that was made before they had cats.  No
problem modifying my '69.  No cats to worry about! ;)


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

>PS Was going to try to cheat, no one with 1/2 a brain will touch it, 
>tried
>to get pipes bent and then put them on myself and couldn't any 
>reasonable
>shop to make them.

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:01:43 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Tranny Q

I'd say this is a choice that should be determined by price.  Yuo could get
the 350 rebuilt or get that B&M one, whichever is cheaper.  TH350's can
handle a lot if built right.  Mine has lasted behind a pretty potent 403 for
over 3 years with not a single problem.  I had a TH400 rebuilt (performance
rebuild) and it cost about $600.  That trans outlasted the car.  It was in
an 81 Cutlass with a 350.  If you are anywhere near Willow Grove, PA go to
Meenan transmissions.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
84 Calais
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of DrkSole96@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 6:39 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Tranny Q


Hi, just a quick question here.. the th350 in my 73 is really starting to
go,
and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions for a replacement.  I'm
thinking
of getting a B&M street and strip job through the local parts store, but
they
only offer th350's with a six" tailshaft.  Is this same as what't on a 73
Cutlass with a 350 or is it a different length?  I'm going with the B&M as
I'm
planning on adding a built 425 this summer and wanted a beefier tranny..
Thanks,
Donovan
73 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Mon, 04 Jan 1999 23:54:17 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Propane Conversion(it's good)

remember a CNG buick prostock but propane would work well too it does have a
higher octane rating than gasoline even race gas or aviation gas you have to
retune the carbs quite a bit and LP runs quite a bit richer than gas at the
same metering settings while this all sounds good and etc before everyone
jumps on the LP/CNG bandwagon there are relatively few refueling points for
this stuff and the weight of the tanks expansion chambers etc. would negate
the effects of the octane gain the race car would need a relatively small
tank compared to a daily driver for everyones info the CNG stands for
compressed natural gas anyway there you go...FWIW..........KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: mbloomer <mbloomer@gateway.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 1:16 AM
Subject: Re: Propane Conversion(it's good)


>Just thought I would add a bit here.  ~Vaugely~ remember several
>years back watching a drag race on TV.  They had a sideline of a
>guy running a propane door slammer.  All I basically remember
>was it was a full tube frame race car, tunnel ram, big block.  I think
>he was in a bracket class,  something like super pro, and was
>running in the 8's.  Big thing they kept mentioning was how cheap
>he ran the car for.  Avg price per run was something like a quarter
>of a conventional car (race gas being so d@mn expensive and all)
>and that he never touched his motor all season long.  Wasn't an
>Olds so I didn't pay a whole lot of attention.
>
>Mike B
>mbloomer@gateway.net
>ICQ# 19113713
>72 Cutlass S (RIP)
>68 Cutlass Supreme
>
>

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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 00:43:05 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

so you cant replace the head pipes? dont think you are reading the entire
law there are always exceptions. and these laws are always subject to
interpretation not a flame but I limitedly helped enforce these laws and
they are very broad as in if it may have been available from the dealer it
may be installed on the vehicle MAY being the operative word there many
options available that most consumers dont even know about therefore you
could probably order what you want when purchasing the car new but it gets
increasingly hard to replace things when they get damaged or wear out that
is why the laws are broad there is little documentation regarding the
exhaust
system with the car so the laws are specifically broad to allow these things
to slip through the emissions laws are BS anyway and the Gvmt is finally
seeing that what was to save us from ourselves has actually done further
irrepairable damage to our environment than the Bad gasses could have done
on their own,  CCs emitt sulphur dioxide
and sulphuric acids as well as other trace gasses this is worse than all the
hydrocarbon emissions that they saved us from and the biggest pollutant is
OZONE the same gas that is being depleted from the ionosphere
GoFigger.....KK
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From: Sx455@aol.com <Sx455@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust


>In a message dated 1/4/99 6:16:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, kerryk@CWIX.com
>writes:
>
><< their reasoning is that if the car came with one it must retain at least
>one
> no less than that they really dont care if you put on another one there
has
> never been a stipulation on that trust me used to do the inspections on
such
> things the fact that the gasses dont remain in the same volume thus the
same
> contact with the filler is not yet an issu >>
>the FEDERAL law is you cant alter the exhaust from the factory converter(s)
>forward. if you add headers ,new high flow y-pipe ,converters etc the
>installed parts must have a CARB\EPA approval. this includes running dual
>cats \dual exhaust:: if the vehicle didnt come with duals\dual cats it is
>illegal to add such,period. not to say people dont do it ,that is the
>hotrodders perogative. although all states are not as strict on inspections
as
>some,this is still a FEDERAL law . you can run any type of exhaust behind
the
>converters as long as you dont alter the factory stuff up front. as this
>garbage is just another way "big brother" looks out for us with laws!

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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 00:22:59 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Dual Exhaust

there are Cats with TWO through pipes so even if there is only one housing
there are true duals also some early camaros had duals with only one
transverse muffler this was a dual muffler of resonator but it had only one
therefor SIngle or Dual?

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Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 00:16:57 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Donor bodies - long

sorry to do this but I gotta get in on this

IF I were to take the original W-31 Parts that were retained from my
totalled 69 and transplant them to another 69 Cutlass S and apply the
original cowl tag and Vin that is tantamount to Fraud But if I take only the
parts I needed (front half of frame[retaining the stamped portion] the front
clip Fenders hood grille etc. passengers side of the firewall
roof with windshield posts right half of the floorpan right door quarter
panel and front bumper) I have then repaired the original car though doing a
lot more work to do it though this is all academic since the original
transmission was destroyed in the accident replacing this alone would make
the car not numbers matching replacing the frame renders it a fake non
numbers matching car, so the car is the shortcut
but you might as well keep it as an engine replacement because legally the
engine is not the original then the engine may be a stolen part and thus
illegal so there is my can of worms you all can pick at this dead horse for
a while but here is the bottom line swapping tags is ILLEGAL period no ifs
ands hypotheticals or buts in the eyes of the law there it is the fact that
your heart was in the right place and your frame of mind was sound and you
meant no harm it is no longer the same car and cannot be sold or licensed as
such the same holds for harley davidson motorcycles this stuff happens all
the time but it is still ILLEGAL.......KK

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:17:30 -0600
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: ignore - test

Just trying to get my format correct.

Steven

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:16:19 -0600
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: documentation (was Doner Bodies)

<It would be great to know what color my bright>
<red convert was originally!>

Tony,

I checked with the Olds History center, They can't verify anything older 
then 75 I believe - great people, Olds just had terrible record keeping. 
 The next step I took was to get the previous title and have that state do 
a title search.  The people in OK originally told me I couldn't do that 
because of a new law (1997) "right of privacy act".  What the law prevents 
is non-owners from finding out who owns the car, but since I showed proof 
of ownership they provided me all titles on record for my vin#.  Now I 
don't now much about OK titles but my car was in OK from Nov 69 till I 
bought it.  I am going to try to find out if the original dealer still 
exists.

Maybe you could ask your friend who they bought it from or at least what 
state it was in.  Call you Department of Motor Vehicles, actually probably 
your Secretary of State, they should help.

Steven
70 W-30 convertible
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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 18:18:58 -0000
From: "Mike Siedlik" <mjsiedl@megavision.com>
Subject: Re. DONOR (save the rocket muscle)

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The way I'll be doing my '70 W-31, is finding a rust free 70-72 Cutlass =
that has been wrecked in the front end or just a basket case with a good =
rust free body.(trunk & floor pans also)  Taking that body off the frame =
then cutting it on the windshield post *and then across the floor =
beneath the front seat. You will know where to cut.  Measure my w-31 and =
cut in the same locations. Take the old body off (note: there are no VIN =
#'s on the body just the cowl) *NOTE ON THE PASS. WINDSHIELD SIDE THERE =
ARE #'s. Slip the donor on to the w-31 frame weld body to the cowl. Lots =
of measuring. Now all the body man has to do is get the windshield and =
rocker panel body work done. They do this to newer cars all the time. =
You just saved your #'s matching car! This is a simplified version, but =
you get the Idea.=20

Mike & Barb Siedlik (Nebraska)
1966 442 TrakPak (w-30)
1970 Ralley 350 (rare 455 version)
1970 Cutlass W-31
1970 442 Indy Pace Car
1986 Hurst Aero
1997 Aurora

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:25:43 -0500
From: "G.J.C cc-iroc-ss" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Cars for sale.

Ha Ha, Who's got the Vega? Check this ad in my local Want Ad Digest under
"Race Cars":

Olds 80 Cutlass Supreme: 12 bolt posi, Z-28 rims, turbo 400, w/3000 stall
convertor, full roller 350, 3" Flowmasters, $3,000  or trade for Vega
(Gloversville, NY) (518)773-8999.

With all the recent Vega banter this should fit right in.

Other Olds worth mentioning:

86 Cutlass 442: rebuilt mtr, too many new parts to list, $3,200 (Leeds, NY)
(518)622-0335

68 : conv, runs execel, needs minor restoration, new tires & rims, $4,000
(Green Island, NY) (518)271-8418

75 HURST very rare 69 H/O 455 eng, T-tops, no rust ever, must sell, asking
$4,000 B/O (Watervliet, NY) (518)273-7369

68 HURST very rare, 1st yr, needs complete restoration, engine & trans
rebuilt, must sell $4,000 (Watervliet NY) (518)273-7369


The 86 442 is about 10 miles from me. The remainder about 40 miles away.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Customs

ICQ# 5209322
mailto:gjcouse@CC-IROC-SS.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:34:48 EST
From: CUTLASS442@aol.com
Subject: Re: ATTN 67' OWNERS ...

if you are referring to a '67 Cutlass, yes, there should be a bracket that
attatches to the center of the bumper and to the hood release tower.

Unfortunately, I can't help you with finding another one. This is my only one
also. 

Can anyone else help??

richard
cutlass442@aol.com
1967 "oldsmobuick" Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:43:44 EST
From: CUTLASS442@aol.com
Subject: Re: EXHAUST LEAK ?????

i had a similar probleb with my 68 chevelle. It did it in Reverse and Forward.
It ended up that the driver side exhaust pipe was rubbing the drive shaft.

richard
cutlass442@aol.com
1967 "oldsmobuick" Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:06:49 EST
From: CUTLASS442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hurst Hairy Olds in JWO

In a message dated 1/5/99 7:49:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, ggilpin@wrallp.com
writes:

<< 
 It's likely to be sitting in some collectors back room somewhere waiting to
 be restored and made a buck off of. Right along with other MIA rare cars. >>

I wouldn't bet on it being in sombody's back room, although it very well could
be. I think it was about two years ago there was a quick write up about the
Hemi Under Glass car being found in somones yard. it was missing the motor and
was otherwise in o.k. shape for a car buried in the bushes.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:31:50 -0500
From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis@metrobankandtrust.com>
Subject: Re: Hurst Hairy Olds in JWO

If I remember correctly, when Doc was discussing the Hairy Olds, it was
already in the process of restoration.  He was at the 100th in Lansing and
he spoke to us at the Hurst lot and at the Hurst Club dinner.  He intention
was to get it running again for the 2000 Nationals, as I said earlier; if I
remember correctly.  Would love to see it if it actually happens.

					Mike Davis
					68' 442

- ----------
> From: CUTLASS442@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Hurst Hairy Olds in JWO
> Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 8:06 PM
> 
> In a message dated 1/5/99 7:49:02 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ggilpin@wrallp.com
> writes:
> 
> << 
>  It's likely to be sitting in some collectors back room somewhere waiting
to
>  be restored and made a buck off of. Right along with other MIA rare
cars. >>
> 
> I wouldn't bet on it being in sombody's back room, although it very well
could
> be. I think it was about two years ago there was a quick write up about
the
> Hemi Under Glass car being found in somones yard. it was missing the
motor and
> was otherwise in o.k. shape for a car buried in the bushes.

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:26:18 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Olds W-31

I came across a 70 W31 about 3 years ago and can't get this car out of my
mind, the guy was the original owner of this car. The car has 14000 original
miles it came with a Cadillac frost green with black stripes. The car came
with bench seats 4spd, W-27 rear Cutlass rims
radio delete with hood lock. All on the f-85 body, I sat in the car dam
thing still was new. I looked under the car it was mint, he could have put
this car back on the show room floor.
I talked to him about this car he told me that it was driven on the road for
about a year, then was drag raced since. Was the record holder for the NHRA
stock h or f class (can not remember) and ran 11.80
or around that time. I think 11.8 was his best time (had the time slips to
prove it) Also had Olds parts galore (note has a speed shop in Ontario
Canada) he had W-27 rear just laying around NOS
as well as ram air hood (I found him as I was looking for parts for my 71
4spd Cutlass Supreme) I just wish I had the money to pry this car out of his
hands. What would this car be worth, I still know he has this car and one
day maybe I will have the coin.
Is this one of the rarer W-31 Cutlasses. This is IMHO the best un-restored
W-31 ever (sorry dreaming of this car).
I have met other people at the Olds shows in Ontario that know this car and
what I say is correct, before anybody says that I am full of ..

Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme
Brampton Ont.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 20:24:40 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Water in Gas?

I've got a nagging problem with my car all of a sudden.  The car
misfires intermittently.  It does it whether warm or cold (read: choke
on or off), during acceleration, cruising, or idling.  The carb is a
recent rebuild.  I installed a brand new fuel filter when I put the carb
on.  It was running okay.  Points, cap, rotor, plugs and coil are all
less than 6 months old.  The wires are spiral wounds and are okay.

The way this goes is kinda strange.  The car will be running fine, then
I'll get this hesitation and misfiring.  After a few minutes it will be
normal again for some time.  It may happen the next time I use the car,
or it may not.  Like I say, it's intermittent.  What makes me think it's
water in my gas is when I left for Christmas vacation, the car sat for a
week and a half out in the cold with about 1/8 tank of gas.  I know...I
know...I was in a rush and forgot to fill the car up before I left.  I
just now filled it full, but some of the old gas, and perhaps water, is
still in the tank.  This did happen to me a couple of times before
Christmas, once with my other carb, but, as I remember, only after the
car was down quite a way on fuel, and during a cold snap.

So is my hypothesis correct?  I've never had this problem.  BTW, could a
failing fuel pump (stock mechanical) do this, or would it pretty much go
all at once and not display intermittent problems?

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:50:39 -0500
From: "Mick Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Funny noises (was Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams

>>I use Engle lifters sold by Mondello, combined with the Comp Cams Magnum
>>kit from Summit and don't really have any noise to speak of.  Certainly no
>>clicking or clacking.  I do have a swishing or rolling sort of sound, I
>>suspect from the roller tips on the rockers rolling across the tops of the
>>valve stems.  FWIW, my cam is more mild than yours--about .496 lift on the
>>exhaust side....

I'm also using the Comp Cams Magnum kit with Edelbrock Performer RPM cam and
matching lifters. I can also hear a slight swishing noise (stock fuel pump),
but no loud ticking or clatter as some have described. Cam lift is
.496/.520. I did tighten the rocker nuts one full turn after zero lash was
established. I've heard it mentioned somewhere though that tighter preload
moves up your power band, while less preload gives better botom end torque.
Is this just another Ch**y myth?
==============================================
Mick Gillespie, Melbourne, FL
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
==============================================

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:48:31 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds W-31

In a message dated 99-01-05 20:37:29 EST, you write:

<< I came across a 70 W31 about 3 years ago and can't get this car out of my
 mind, the guy was the original owner of this car. The car has 14000 original
 miles it came with a Cadillac frost green with black stripes. The car came
 with bench seats 4spd, W-27 rear Cutlass rims
 radio delete with hood lock. All on the f-85 body, I sat in the car dam
 thing still was new. I looked under the car it was mint, he could have put
 this car back on the show room floor.
 I talked to him about this car he told me that it was driven on the road for
 about a year, then was drag raced since. Was the record holder for the NHRA
 stock h or f class (can not remember) and ran 11.80
 or around that time. I think 11.8 was his best time (had the time slips to
 prove it) Also had Olds parts galore (note has a speed shop in Ontario
 Canada) he had W-27 rear just laying around NOS
 as well as ram air hood (I found him as I was looking for parts for my 71
 4spd Cutlass Supreme) I just wish I had the money to pry this car out of his
 hands. What would this car be worth, I still know he has this car and one
 day maybe I will have the coin.
 Is this one of the rarer W-31 Cutlasses. This is IMHO the best un-restored
 W-31 ever (sorry dreaming of this car).
 I have met other people at the Olds shows in Ontario that know this car and
 what I say is correct, before anybody says that I am full of ..
 
 Kevin Grant
 80 Cutlass Supreme
 Brampton Ont. >>
Is that Ron from Hamilton Ont?  I think it could be him, but I am not sure
regards Mark Prince
Detroit, MI

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:55:53 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds W-31 (I Miss mine)

Man    I wish I still had my 70 W-31!!


I sold it to a guy in Ohio about 5 1/2 years ago for $4800   It was black with
gold stripes, not orig colors,  was originally silver with black stripes.
Hardtop  I think 1029 built?????

I sold it to buy my 62 Starfire


here are my links if you would like to see my toys...................
 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/HURSTOLDZ/4index.html">THE 1968
HURST/OLDSMOBILE</A>              
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/HURSTOLDZ/index.html">1968 HURST/OLDS</A> 
 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/HURSTOLDZ/index4.html">1968 HURST/OLDS Page 2
</A>             <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/HURSTOLDZ/3index.html">
HURSTOLDZ's Home Page</A> 


Vinny
62 Starfire
68 Hurst/Olds 

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Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:00:21 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Funny noises (was Re: Comp Cams - Olds Muscle Car Cams

tighter preload causes lifters to float early, Harry from NJ

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:10:46 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Tranny Q

Get a th 400 core and have a decent shop rebuild it to the performance level
of your choice.  My core cost $150.

Larry Pegg

- -----Original Message-----
From: DrkSole96@aol.com <DrkSole96@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, January 05, 1999 4:43 PM
Subject: Tranny Q


>Hi, just a quick question here.. the th350 in my 73 is really starting to
go,
>and I was wondering if anyone had suggestions for a replacement.  I'm
thinking
>of getting a B&M street and strip job through the local parts store, but
they
>only offer th350's with a six" tailshaft.  Is this same as what't on a 73
>Cutlass with a 350 or is it a different length?  I'm going with the B&M as
I'm
>planning on adding a built 425 this summer and wanted a beefier tranny..
>Thanks,
>Donovan
>73 Cutlass Supreme
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 20:59:25 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re: Olds W-31

- -----Original Message-----
From: WMACHINES@aol.com <WMACHINES@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: January 5, 1999 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: Olds W-31



>Is that Ron from Hamilton Ont?  I think it could be him, but I am not sure
>regards Mark Prince
>Detroit, MI

The gentelman that I was talking about is Brian from Peterbrough Ont.

Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme
Brampton Ont.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:17:36 -0500
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Bravo

List,
            Quick - Turn on the "Bravo" network..
Yes - I will stop doing this some day....

The General

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:31:44 -0500
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Valve clearance

Looking for input from anyone who knows about valve clearance.
I'm putting a set of +.060 396 dome pistons in my .030 455.  The domes have
been cut so the pistons are now flat tops.  My deck clearance will be "0" or
a hair less.  I'll be using a regular old fel-pro head gasket and edelbrock
aluminum heads that have not been milled. The cam is the big solid comp cams
grind .594/.600 lift.

Dave Smith says I will be ok with no valve clearance notching on the piston,
but do a clay check for the hell of it.

Mondello says it wont work, scrap the chevy pistons and buy a set of pistons
from him.   Imagine that.

No input from Dick Miller yet..


Ken

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:41:32 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@rbnet.com>
Subject: My email adress changed(non olds)

Hi list.

I found out this afternoon that my ISP, interlink.com, went belly up. 
So now my email adress has changed again.  The local company did some
switching around and now it's using rbnet.com.  So just in case anyone
tried to contact me at gregp@intrlink.com since about 11 last night, I
didn't get the message as I can't acess my old mailbox.

Soooo.  If anyone wants to contact me they can do it at:   
gregp@rbnet.com

Sorry 'bout the non olds traffic.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

Mailto: gregp@rbnet.com

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Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:38:59 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: RE: Donor bodies - long

>Another reason why I don't plan on doing this, the 4-4-2 shell has been in a
>previous accident and the passenger floorpans have been replaced.  They
>didn't do a great job, but it's miles better than other accident repairs
>I've seen.  Also, the passenger rocker isn't there and the decklid hinge
>panel was cut out and sold before I bought it. The W-31, from what I can
>tell, has never been in an accident.  These little tidbits may sway some
>opinions, but I wanted to get opinions in the general sense, not just in my
>individual case, although I'm always open to suggestions.

Those details certainly make a difference; I was under the impression that
the 442 shell was virginal; if it's already been cut up or repaired in the
past, then it's not worth the trouble. I'd rather start with an never-hit
but rusty car than a rust-free car that's been tweaked at some point; just
too many potential problems can crop up later.

Bob Barry
'70 Cutlass Supreme SX (rusty, but never hit...)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:39:01 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Donor bodies - long

>Here is the scenario, you buy a parts car, you take the frame and replace
>your rotting frame during restoration.  After restoration it is discovered
>that the frame is from a stolen vehicle.  Where would you stand in the eyes
>of the law?  Any lawyers on the list that could offer an opinion? 

Not a lawyer, but you're taking a risk any time you don't get a receipt with
the VIN on it for things you buy that are stamped.

Of course, in the process of detailing a frame, it's very likely that the
sandblasting, grinding or painting may "obscure" the original VIN
stampings... ;)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:39:04 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Donor bodies - long(not anymore...to the point)

>but if you wer to cut, say hlaf the car from a donor, wouldn't you transfer
>those hidden numbers?  Body shops use used parts quite a lot, including 

I think the only thing on the body panels of the shell is the VIN tag
itself. Everett had a '72 W-30 sport-coupe that he bought and was parting
out, but the VIN on the door sticker (which had the "X" and everything)
didn't match the VIN on the dash; in fact, the VIN was for a '70 Cutlass
Supreme. The dash was also from a '70 Supreme, with the burl woodgrain and
the Supreme emblem on the glovebox door.

Upon closer examination, it turned out that at some point, someone had cut
off the front of a Supreme, dash and all, and welded it to the front of the
sport-coupe body. I can't imagine what kind of accident prompted that kind
of surgery, but it obviously wasn't worth saving (especially since the
engine was long-gone).

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 02:39:06 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: documentation (was Doner Bodies)

>Both cars have number matching drivetrains and such but I think the cowl
>tag on my convertible (Just like yours) has been messed with. It looks
>intact and everyhing pans out to a lansing built 442 convert but there is
>NO paint code!  I have a feeling that someone ground the paint code off to
>change the color of the car.  I bought the car from a friend of mine, so I
>know the car's history from 1984 to present.  Before 1984 who knows?

Are there two dashes in the code's place? Special-order paints like Sebring
Yellow had the actual code deleted.

>Another friend of mine has a 1970 GTO convertible that he got documentation
>on from Pontiac.  He just sent in his VIN # and 35 bucks to the Pontiac
>history center and got back loads of info on his car including the dealer
>who sold it, a copy of a build sheet for his car and other stuff.  Is this
>stuff available from Olds?  It would be great to know what color my bright
>red convert was originally!

No, some middle-manager named "Dale" told his secretary to toss them in
1983, so they're all gone... ;)

Seriously, they don't have the records for the older ones, but the History
Center will send you what they can about the model car you have, for free.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:39:39 -0500
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Valve clearance

Went and looked up cam specs, kinda got it wrong in the first post.. 


.600/.593 265/276@.050

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 21:59:23 -0500
From: "Robert Collins" <collins@peterboro.net>
Subject: Re: Olds W-31

Would the Brian from Peterborough, Ont be the Brian that owns the Go
Shoppe?
I can't remember his last name at the moment 

Robert Collins
collins@peterboro.net

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 05 Jan 1999 21:58:50 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@rbnet.com>
Subject: Could someone spare a digest 

...or two?

If someone could forward me the last couple of digests from the list i'd
appreciate it.  Due to a SNAFU at my ISP I lost all the mail in my
mailbox sent after 11 last night.  I was following a few threads and
hate to miss 'em. 

Please be sure to send them privately and not to the list.

Thanks 

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

mailto: gregp@rbnet.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:07:18 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fisher Body Manuals For Sale

In a message dated 1/5/99 6:53:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, dpauliso@juno.com
writes:

<< 
 Got a '69?  I see almost all but that one, doesn't hurt to ask...
 
 Dave
 
 On Sun, 3 Jan 1999 23:03:13 EST ANTIQOLDS@aol.com writes:
 >
 >
 >
 > I have the following Fisher Body Service Manuals for Sale  All 
 >Manuals are
 > $25.00 each plus $5.00 Shipping & Handling
 > 
 > 1967, 1968, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 
 
   I will double check but maybe not

Everett

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:15:06 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Olds events

What are the Olds events this year? I know about Dallas. I heard rumors
about Pigeon Forge and what about Cordova?

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 19:30:24 -0800
From: "Marvin Friesen" <gowest@direct.ca>
Subject: Retro Olds in the cards?

Check out this story on today's CNNfn (January 5, 1999: 5:04 p.m. ET")
http://www.cnnfn.com/quickenonfn/home_auto/9901/05/retroauto/


Headline:

"In Detroit, retro is the rage
Carmakers: Perhaps this is your father's Oldsmobile after all
January 5, 1999: 5:04 p.m. ET"


Some of these look more like a revival of names only, not the style (like
the beetle).
GM Impala and GTO


Marvin Friesen
Vancouver, BC

1976 Cutlass S One Owner
1976 Cutlass S  2nd Owner

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:42:30 EST
From: DLGOlds442@aol.com
Subject: I know of an Oldsmobile in a movie

I don't know if you can add anything to 442.com but in the section about
Oldsmobiles 
in movies i know of a new one.  In the new movie The Faculty an Olds somewhere
between 67-72 (i believe its a 442) is present ( it has the black with red
race stripe paint job). I just wanted to bring it to your attention so that it
may be added one day.

                                                                              
Sincerely,

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:46:59 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Donor vin tags and titles

In a message dated 1/5/99 3:53:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,
costanzo@netcarrier.com writes:

<< there are many other places on the car that hav the vin other than the
 cowl...where?  I don't know.  It could come back to haunt you someday
 depending on what happens to the car that gets that vin.  You'd have to
 transfer the title as well as sell the vin, so that leaves a paper
 history...I just manufacter vins with my metal tag machine and manufacture
 titles at Kinko's.  not really... >>

     Usually stamped on the frame rails in numerous spots, but all I have seen
are partial VIN's, not complete. GM's trucks I have seen stamped up to 3 times
on the frame within 5 inches of each other. But also the transmissions,
engines, etc. had partial VINs on early vehicles. There is no way that they
could match up say a stolen trans thats in your car.   Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:46:26 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re: Olds W-31

- -----Original Message-----
From: Robert Collins <collins@peterboro.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: January 5, 1999 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Olds W-31


>Would the Brian from Peterborough, Ont be the Brian that owns the Go
>Shoppe?
>I can't remember his last name at the moment 
>
>Robert Collins
>collins@peterboro.net
>
Yes that's him I purchased my 71 Cultass off his brother  Ralph in Brampton

Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme
71 Cutlass 4spd Supreme (gone)
71 Cutlass Supreme Convt (gone)
73 Delta 88 Royal (gone)
79 Cutlass Supreme Bm (gone)
73 Chevy Belair (gone)
81 Cutlass Supreme (gone)
90 Mustang (gone)
92 Mustang (stolen)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 22:52:01 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re: Olds events

- -----Original Message-----
From: Edward Binnix <comid@jellico.com>
To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: January 5, 1999 10:18 PM
Subject: Olds events


>What are the Olds events this year? I know about Dallas. I heard rumors
>about Pigeon Forge and what about Cordova?


Don't forget Fanshaw Park in London Ontario
Olds Club of Canada
June around Father's Day ?
>
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:18:53 EST
From: BradRoss79@aol.com
Subject: Oldsmobile Homecomming Show

Hello everyone,
	I was just wondering if any of you have any information on this year's
Homecomming car show in Lansing. Last year I heard that it may be held in a
different location (due to the headquarters relocating), and a different date.
If you have any information, please pass it on. I am sure that a few other
list members would like to know also.
Thanks 

Brad Ross
'71 Delta Royale
'71 Delta Custom Town Sedan
'79 Ninety Eight Regency Coupe
'59 Cadillac Hearse

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 5 Jan 1999 23:27:18 EST
From: BradRoss79@aol.com
Subject: Bad Wiper Switch?

 The windshield wipers on my 79 98 are going crazy.  Sometimes the wipers work
perfectly, sometimes when I put the switch on "delay" they operate at "LO"
speed.
Sometimes the wipers only work if I put the switch on "HI", then they operate
at "LO" speed. Sometimes when I push the Washer button, the washer sprays,and
sprays for  a super long time, or until the washer bottle is empty.  From the
looks of things and my service manuals, I think the switch in the dash may be
bad.  I hope that some of you have had this problem and can help me out.
Thanks in advance for all and any of your help.
Brad Ross                          1979 98 Regency Coupe  -- Duals, no cat

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