
oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, February 17 1999    Volume 01 : Number 1783



Re: day dreaming
Re: Roll Call
Re: Roll Call
Re: Roll Call
Re: Roll Call
RE: Pushrods (non- Ch*tty or Sommerville) was: Roller Rockers.
Re: Roll Call
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Re: MAIL LIST
roll call
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1983 Hurst Olds on e-bay
Re: Roll Call
RE: roll call
RE: Roll Call/BRENT ARDO OUR NEW MENTOR!
Re: Roll Call
Re: Oldsmobile Alero (was: Re: RE: A Tale of Two Cars)
Re: Roll Call
Re: 307's in 442's
Re: day dreaming
Re: Pushrods (non- Ch*tty or Sommerville) was: Roller Rockers.
Re: Roll Call
Re: Seatbelt/shoulder harness
GM Card Rebate (was: Re: Oldsmobile Alero)
Re: Roll Call
Re: MAIL LIST
Re: Roll Call
Re: Roll Call/BRENT ARDO OUR NEW MENTOR!
POR-15
Need help(want to be on G-body list)
Re: Roll Call
Re: Roll Call
Re: interior swap
Re: Roll Call
Re: Need help(want to be on G-body list)
Re: Need help(want to be on G-body list)
Re: Roll Call
Re: Roll Call
Test 2
Roll Call
Re: POR-15
Info, please.
Gas Mileage
interior swap
Re: POR-15
Re: Roll Call
Re: Roll Call
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Re: Need help(want to be on G-body list)
ROLL CALL
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:29:47 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: day dreaming

Lou, please forgive that NASTY S-10 crack. For that, I owe you a Vega.
Ed

- -----Original Message-----

>
>Ed;
>What an insult, you rode in it, thats a Sonama, GMC, huge difference, diff.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:58:27 -0500
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Ken Holland
Cleveland,Ohio
Owner/Operator
1979 Autocar Construcktor NTC 400BC1 and u thought 455's made torque?  Hows
1450ft.lbs @ 1600rpm sound?  I put the asphalt down that u guys tear up with
those Oldsmobile torque monsters

1978 Cutlass 455 1/4 mile bomber
1967 442 Ragtop 4 speed
1966 442 Ragtop auto (super beat)

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:27:01 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Kelly Erickson
Student At Seattle Academy of Arts and Sciences (SAAS) (its a highschool)
1966 Cutlass
1954 Super 88
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/Olds442z/
gutlass66@aol.com
cutlassnep@hotmail.com
kerickson@saas.seattle.wa.us

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:28:02 EST
From: DEOVIVERE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Tom Simmons,
Episcopal Priest,
Richmond VA 

65 442 clone (driver)
70 W-32 Cutlass Supreme SX (soon to have a new motor)

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:29:52 EST
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

             Here is my personnal data: 
         Scott Bard
       Bedford Ohio, ( near Cleveland)
    Former auto tech turned assembly line worker  turned motor lab research
and development guy at Lincoln Electric ( a fun job testing electric 3 phase
industrial motors    1-800-motor-4-U   .........shameless plug)
        Had first 72 Supreme when i was 16 -- wrecked it at 17
        Second 72 Supreme when i was 19-- got laid off and sold car when i was
23.
         Got 90 Supreme in 97......

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:12:50 -0700
From: olds442 <olds442@digitaldune.net>
Subject: RE: Pushrods (non- Ch*tty or Sommerville) was: Roller Rockers.

Well, proved me wrong... Thanks, but it sure makes sense to use the push rods since they are already there and hollow...
Ben
(thanks)

- -----Original Message-----
From:	Lou Biggs [SMTP:lbiggs@intertek.net]
Sent:	Tuesday, February 16, 1999 5:25 PM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:	Re: Pushrods (non- Ch*tty or Sommerville) was: Roller Rockers.

Ben:
I'm not a ME like Joe, but I do know it's weight and the strength factor
involved, many engines, like Hemi's, do not supply oil though the pushrods,
but they are hollow, for weight primarily. Newton, "Objects in motion tend
to remain in motion, unless acted upon by an outside force" i.e., valve
springs.
Lou

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> From: olds442 <olds442@digitaldune.net>
> To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
> Subject: RE: Pushrods (non- Ch*tty or Sommerville) was: Roller Rockers.
> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 12:55 PM
> 
> Actually, If I may interject here... The primary purpose of the pushrods 
> being hollow is to allow the oil to be channeled up through them and on
top 
> of the rockers to keep them oiled. Without the oil, the rockers would
weld 
> to their fulcrums and hence no opening and closing of valves... I don't 
> know how they do it with an overhead cam, but for the big boys, they are 
> hollow not only for the strength and weight, but mainly to keep our
rockers 
> moving
> 
> Ben

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:29:49 EST
From: TheBlue67@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Brent Ardo
Stow,Ohio
16 year old highschool student/athlete
slave to my coaches 3/4 of the year
Other 1/4 crusin in my 1967 Cutlass Convertible lookin for chicks

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:37:11 EST
From: DrkSole96@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Donovan Moser
Urbandale, IA
73 Cutlass Supreme
67 Delta 88 Custom (67-99 RIP)

DrkSole96@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:37:09 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

In a message dated 2/16/99 8:05:44 PM Central Standard Time, jlabay@neo.rr.com
writes:

> Have a BA in Marketing and a MA in Sport Management.  Heading back to school
>  soon since my current two degrees seem to be worthless on the job market.
I
>  pay for my Olds and Chevy stuff by trading and selling salvageyard parts
:-)

Hey, if y'all wanna sell that '80 442, let me know :-)


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:41:32 -0600
From: "72Hurst" <72hurst@net-email.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Here goes:
John Kreitzer
Waukesha, WI 
Electrician
72 Hurst/Olds (Almost Complete)
41 years young (Me - not the car)
   
72hurst@net-email.com

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:42:58 EST
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

                 With  this roll call thing, we can use it to find people in
your own area's. Like Jason from Akron Ohio, you are about 20 minutes south
from me........SCOTT

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:48:53 -0500
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Jonathan Parke
Williamstown, Vermont

Age 53

Educational Consultant,

semi-retired,

spending my son's inhertitance on restoring/modifying my '72 Cutlass
Supreme Convertible (a car in which we've traveled and camped all around
the US & Canada)

BTW he approves!

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 19:44:31 -0700
From: "Fred Orcutt" <f_m_o@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Fred Orcutt
Boise, Idaho, USA
IT Systems Integration/Web

1969 Delta 88 Custom 455/C Heads
1972 Vista Cruiser 350
1978 Ch*vy G20 Nomad

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:50:58 -0500 (EST)
From: Myassachafin@webtv.net (A Sea)
Subject: Re: Roll Call

sayreville nj here

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:55:21 -0500 (EST)
From: Myassachafin@webtv.net (A Sea)
Subject: Re: Roll Call

83 olds sold
84 olds cutlass sup restoring

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:49:22 EST
From: GHeath4138@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Grover & Alice
Weaver, Alabama
Rockets Forever(Chevy overrated)

1970 442-P/S, A/C, P/B, Bucket seats with Dual Gate Console, etc-Fully Load.
1972 Cutlass Supreme-350-Basic Model (but if you look up the body code, It
says it came with a vinyl top, The funning thing it never did-2nd owner). 

Grover-Analyst/Mechanic II-Allied Signal Aerospace (look on Fram oil & air
filter, at the top of the box, not just Aerospace any longer)
Alice-Quality Inspection.

GHeath4138@aol.com

Any cutlass parts needed, let me know.
Looking for  a Rally/Pac for a 1970 442


  

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:55:25 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: MAIL LIST

Please get off we don't want you either, we are high class  LADIES & GENTLEMEN

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:53:22 EST
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: roll call

Dennis Gregory
metro detroit area
machinest
73 Hurst Olds     ( looking for a clean body )
74 Cutlass s  ( for sale again )
77 442    ( race car project )                                 

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:55:47 -0600
From: Joe Novak <cujmn4@pen.eiu.edu>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Joe Novak
Graphic Design Major/Business Minor at Eastern Illinois University
Charleston, IL
Age: 21

1987 Olds Cutlass Salon
307/3.08
Chrome SSIII 14" Wheels, Gages, Console

Joe Novak
cujmn4@pen.eiu.edu
http://pen.eiu.edu/~cujmn4

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:03:24 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Mike Bloomer
24 yrs old, first child due in Aug
Clarksville, TN
68 Supreme HC
98 Sonoma SLS

Currently:  AH-64 Apache Armament/Electrical Tech
Before that:  M1A1 Tank gunner/driver
Before that:  ASE auto tech/drag car chassis fabricator
Will be a civilian again by December!

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:07:51 -0500
From: "Shpud" <shpud@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Heya, here's my personals:

Spruce Schintz
Ski Hill Worker
Age 17 - Marathon, ON Canada
1967 Oldsmobile Delmont 88 Convertible w/ 425
& hopefully soon 1967 Oldsmobile Delta 88



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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:15:07 -0500
From: "Bill Reilly" <wjreilly@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Bill Reilly
Westwood, NJ
Service/Sales Rep. for Makita Power Tools (what can I say, I like things
with ~lots~ of power!)

My Garage:
'83 Cutlass Ciera -Driver/parts getter
'84 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - next project, joint venture with my younger
brother ($100)
'85 Cutlass Supreme - current project, almost ready for the body shop.  455,
200-R4, fully built front suspension, H/O Aero kit and W-30 hood.

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Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:13:53 -0600
From: "Tom Williams" <tjwilli@megavision.com>
Subject: 1983 Hurst Olds on e-bay

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I am just posting this to the list to see if anyone has seen the =
pictures of the 1983 Hurst Olds for sale on e-bay. The car is drop-dead =
gorgeous, with 93.7 original miles. The auction number on this one is =
#67358313. This is a must see.

Tom

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:18:33 -0500
From: Gary Standiford <phred@fwi.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Gary Standiford
Fort Wayne, IN

Quality Engineer for DANA Fluid Systems Group

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:17:05 -0500
From: "howardh" <howardh@magicnet.net>
Subject: RE: roll call

             ___          __   __
            /     /         /    /   /    /
           /     /         /    /   /    /
          /     /____/    /   /    /    ________
         /   HURST   /   /    /   /    _____     \ 
        /     /       /     /   /    /   /   /             \     \
       /     /       /     /   /    /   /   /                \    \
      /__ /      /__ /   /    /   /   /  OLDS    /    /
                            /    /     \   \                /    /
                           /    /       \   \______ /   /
                          /__/         \ ________/  

Howard Hosenbold 
Orlando, Fl.
Honda Auto Parts Manager
howardh@magicnet.net 
ICQ-2229348 
1984 Hurst Olds 

http://www.442.com/howardh.html 

http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/hosen/ 
Production # 2748 
OCA # 024551
OCA # 1259 
OCF # 24551

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:22:31 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Roll Call/BRENT ARDO OUR NEW MENTOR!

Hats off to any one who is 16 and digs Oldses instead of those damn hondas!
Especially to one with a 67 conv!!!!!!!!

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of TheBlue67@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 9:30 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Roll Call


Brent Ardo
Stow,Ohio
16 year old highschool student/athlete
slave to my coaches 3/4 of the year
Other 1/4 crusin in my 1967 Cutlass Convertible lookin for chicks

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:16:06 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Everett Horton
Rumford, RI

Owner operator of E & G Automotive, dealer in anitque and vintage obsolete
OLDSMOBILE parts  a hobby turned into a business.

1961 Starfire, 1971 Vista Cruiser, 1971 Supreme Conv, 1972 Supreme Coupe 3spd
on column, 1989 Touring sedan, 1992 Supreme Conv, 1990 Olds Bravada P/U (S10)
22 parts cars 1961 - 1986

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:29:46 -0500
From: "Bill Reilly" <wjreilly@erols.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Alero (was: Re: RE: A Tale of Two Cars)

I test drove one of the new Alero's back in December.  2dr, 6cyl, rear wing,
red.  A neat little car.  I wasn't overly impressed with it.  It's peppy and
had a nice feel to it.  It should compete very well with the foreign cars in
its category.  It's definately gotten lots of good reviews and lots of
advertising.

However, I like happen to like the Pontiac line a little more.  More power,
more aggressive styling.

Besides, I need another car and another bill like a I need a hole in my
head, so I passed on it for now.  But my GM card rebate is buring a hole in
my pocket, and if I were to purchase a new GM vehicle by May, I could
probably still qualify as a recent college grad.

Bill Reilly


>>
>>How does the Alero stack up?  Anyone?
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:22:31 -0500
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Here's my data:

Jim Chermack
Virginia Beach, VA
66 442 W-30 & 66 442 Race Car, 17 year veteran in the US Navy. Ready to retire,
and owner of C&M Classic Parts (full time soon I hope!).


>>Just curious...how many Oldsmobilers do we have here, where y'all from, and
>>what do you do to pay the restoration/gas/insurance/tire bills?  I'll
>start:
>>
>>Drew A. Durigan
>>Hays, Kansas
>>Midday personality on Mix103FM, one of three co-owned Radio, Inc. stations
>>here in Western Kansas.
>>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:24:48 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: 307's in 442's

Hello...I just got back from Mardi Gras, and am just now catching up after
an extended absence from the list...

Aren't roller rockers better?

At 08:35 PM 2/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I want to compile some data for a web page on 307's and I need to put to bed
>the question of whether 85 and 86 442's were equipped with roller motors (7A
>heads) or standard motors (5A heads).
>
>Any one who might have one of these babies, couldja kindly lemme know what's
>under the hood?
>
>Thanks.
>drc
>
>david.cullen@snet.net
>
>p.s. could someone pass this to the G-Body list fo' me? Moocho Grassyass.
> 
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:32:19 -0500
From: "Bill Reilly" <wjreilly@erols.com>
Subject: Re: day dreaming

I didn't see anyone else mention this but Everett Horton in RI has a Bravada
S-10 pickup.

Front clip, lower door mouldings, tailights, and Olds badges all around.
Neat.

Bill Reilly


- -----Original Message-----
From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 3:44 PM
Subject: Re: day dreaming


>John McJunkin has actually done this...Olds 350 motor.  See it at
>http://members.tripod.com/~oldsraceshop/ ... that's not *his* homepage, but
>his friend's homepage.  I think it was a joint project between the two of
>them.  John's homepage is at http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/
>
>Jason Adcock
>mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
>http://members.xoom.com/jadcock
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 2:55 PM
>Subject: Re: day dreaming
>
>
>>I've been thinking about this for a while too. Take an S-10 and replace
>>the front clip with a Bravada front clip. Swap in an Olds 350/th350 with
>>some decent gears. Put some SSII's on it. Then you could call it the
>>"B-10", "O-10", "Trucklass", "S-442", "OldsmoTruck", the possibilities
>>are endless.
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:27:25 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Pushrods (non- Ch*tty or Sommerville) was: Roller Rockers.

>Pushrods are hollow tubes to reduce the reciprocating weight of the
>valvetrain.  One of the limiting factors in how high you can rev the motor
>before valve float is the weight (and therefore inertia) in the valvtrain.
<snip of Joe's excellent analysis of engineering theorem>

Joe (or anyone else),
Have you ever messed with the so called "rev kits" in
relation to valve springs?  What I'm referring to is a 
setup where a spring is set up on the pushrod to push
it into contact with lifter, and thus push the lifter into contact
with the cam lobe.  I remember reading that this setup would
allow you to run lighter seat pressures on the valve (and only
double springs instead of triple) and the total spring pressure
would be less than with a conventional triple spring.  The
advantage is less power drag and less stress on the valve
train.  It seems that this would be just the ticket for the fellow
a while back who had a cam bearing wipe out on his fresh
drag motor while still on the dyno.  Thoughts?  Comments?

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:28:46 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

In a message dated 2/16/99 8:46:56 PM Central Standard Time, OLDS44272@aol.com
writes:

>                 With  this roll call thing, we can use it to find people in
>  your own area's. Like Jason from Akron Ohio, you are about 20 minutes south
>  from me........SCOTT

Yeah...except that there's NOBODY anywhere near Western Kansas!
  

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:34:40 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Seatbelt/shoulder harness

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Tim,
This was a topic of conversation a while back and the=20
popular consensus was that the simplest way to achieve
this without significantly altering your car would be to use
late model seats that incorporate the seat belt into the seat.
If I remember correctly you could mount the retractors in the=20
space between the headliner and the roof, though it would
be tight.  Suppose it could be done but it would be a lot of
work, and you would have to ultimately have to answer the
question, how much do you really want to do it?  I always
just used the lap belts, kept the shoulder harness neatly
folded in it's holder, and took my chances.  If you do decide
to do it, I'm sure the list would be plenty interested in how=20
you go about doing it and how it turns out.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
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   =20
    Hello, my name is Tim Oden and I am new to this mailing list. We =
have a 1969 442 that is in original condition. It has 400 cid with 325 =
hp. There is only 107,000 miles on the car and interior is in great =
shape. The car has the two belt shoulder harness and seat belt set up. I =
would like know if there is a one piece unit that can be install to =
replace the two belt system. The two belt system does not have any slack =
once you are buckled up. If I have to adapted a unit from some type of =
newer car/truck I would be interested in knowing how to do this. Any =
information will be greatly appreciated.
    =20
    Tim Oden

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color=3D#000000>Tim,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000></FONT>This was a topic of conversation a =
while back=20
and the </DIV>
<DIV>popular consensus was that the simplest way to achieve</DIV>
<DIV>this without significantly altering your car would be to use</DIV>
<DIV>late model seats that incorporate the seat belt into the =
seat.</DIV>
<DIV>If I remember correctly you could mount the retractors in the =
</DIV>
<DIV>space between the headliner and the roof, though it would</DIV>
<DIV>be tight.&nbsp; Suppose it could be done but it would be a lot =
of</DIV>
<DIV>work, and you would have to ultimately have to answer the</DIV>
<DIV>question, how much do you really want to do it?&nbsp; I =
always</DIV>
<DIV>just used the lap belts, kept the shoulder harness neatly</DIV>
<DIV>folded in it's holder, and took my chances.&nbsp; If you do =
decide</DIV>
<DIV>to do it, I'm sure the list would be plenty interested in =
how&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>you go about doing it and how it turns out.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000>Mike Bloomer<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:mbloomer@mindspring.com">mbloomer@mindspring.com</A><BR>IC=
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:32:58 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: GM Card Rebate (was: Re: Oldsmobile Alero)

In a message dated 2/16/99 9:28:41 PM Central Standard Time,
wjreilly@erols.com writes:

> But my GM card rebate is buring a hole in
> my pocket, and if I were to purchase a new GM vehicle by May, I could
> probably still qualify as a recent college grad.

Same here.  I can't seem to find a decent older Olds out here in the sticks
and my rebate is up to about $1900.  Also, I'm a charter cardholder (since
Oct, 1992), so my rebate starts to be erased as of this October.  If I end up
buying new, I'm looking seriously at the Alero and the GrandAm version.


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:34:01 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Guess I forgot to add age & car...

Age: 34
Car: none yet, but looking (previous owner of '77 Cutlass Supreme, '78 Ninety-
Eight Regency, and '79 Supreme Brougham)

- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:50:00 -0500
From: dclover@epix.net
Subject: Re: MAIL LIST

Hey Greg! 

All of us, your regulars, appreciate the work you do for us.   Don't let
one impatient idiot (to coin a phrase) get you down.  

To make it easier for you, we regulars promise to be less difficult to
deal with in the future,
RIGHT GUYS (& GALS)!?  err, excuse me, LADIES & GENTLEMEN, (highlighting
the GENTLE, mature part!)


BTW, how did we get from this... ummm, fool,...trying to sign off the
list to this topic:?


        Hmmm, lessee... Mustangs were '64 1/2 -- or just plain '64,
if          you include the one seen as a product tie-in in
_Goldfinger_;  		Camaros were '67 model year... so what came between?

	The Javelin/AMX was also a '67 model year intro;  The Marlin, 		which
came out in '65, definitely was *not* a pony car.  More 		like a
clydesdale than a pony, size-wise...


AND then to YUGO's in Macedonia....	


Talk about a change of subject!!!  See, Greg, how easy it is for us to
steer away from the unpleasant to the interesting?  It doesn't bother us
for long, so don't let it bother you...


Dan J


Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Andrew C. Green wrote:
> > I'm kind of amazed he even found it in the first place.
> >
> > (pausing now for the followup from Greg B., probably saying
> > something like "STOP FOLLOWING UP TO THAT IDIOT; I HAVE
> > REMOVED HIM FROM THE LIST AND TAKEN OTHER MEASURES WHICH I
> > CANNOT ELABORATE ON BUT WHICH WILL ENSURE THAT HE CANNOT
> > REPRODUCE EVEN IN THE EVENT THAT HE FIGURES OUT HOW TO DO
> > THAT AS WELL" :-)
> 
> I wish I felt that eloquent right now Andy...
> 
> I'm at work, on lunch, and decided to check the list. What the list
> didn't
> see was the first message that this guy sent sometime this morning, to
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:53:06 -0500
From: "Gib Loudon" <cutlass@mill.tds.net>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Gib Loudon
'69 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe (Reb Thunder)
'69 Cutlass Supreme Parts Car...soon to be street rod.
Student at Kettering University (Formerly GMI) in Flint, MI
Mechanical Engineering Co-op.
Administrator of Cutlass Net (http://www.cutlass.net)

Owner/Operator of G-Tech Fitness Equipment Inc.  (custom built to your
needs)
Owner/Operator of Cutlass Web Design Inc.  (Call us anytime (810)312-3139)
And I do whatever else I can to pay the bills as well.

>
>>>Just curious...how many Oldsmobilers do we have here, where y'all from,
and
>>>what do you do to pay the restoration/gas/insurance/tire bills?  I'll
>>start:
>>>
>>>Drew A. Durigan
>>>Hays, Kansas
>>>Midday personality on Mix103FM, one of three co-owned Radio, Inc.
stations
>>>here in Western Kansas.
>>>
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:56:58 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call/BRENT ARDO OUR NEW MENTOR!

Kelly Erickson
Slave at Seattle Academy of Arts and Sciences, 15 years old (march), enjoys
Oldsmobiles, '85 Trans Am's with Chevy 305's with 278,000miles onthem (its a
joke guys), and long walks on the beach ;). I love my Cutlass, and hate my
Super 88. Long live anything with a AMERICAN OHV V-8 (Old's mainly though)
1966 Cutlass
1954 Super 88
Gutlass66@aol.com
ICQ# 29190247

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:59:16 -0600
From: Dan Williams <442much@plutonium.net>
Subject: POR-15

I'm redoing the frame on my 68 convertible and I'm going to coat it with

POR-15.  I have the correct semi-gloss POR-15 for the frame, but I am
wondering about it changing color.  It is supposed to react to UV light,

however I figure the frame gets very little of that.  Does the frame
need to be top coated, or is this sufficient?  Anybody have any
experience with this?

- -Dan
- --
Dan Williams                            442Much@plutonium.net
Marion, IA                                     68 442 Convertible


          |  http://www.442.com/williams68.html  |

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:55:26 -0500
From: Jeff Mullenix <muxx@exis.net>
Subject: Need help(want to be on G-body list)

Can anyone help me on specifics on how to be added to the G-body list.  I
am a bit computer illiterate.  detailed help would be gretaly appreciated.

Thanks
Jeff

70 4spd conv.
85 442

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:02:03 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Brian Shankle: age 22
Westfield, NJ
Sales Rep for Pezrow Corp. of NJ
Food and Non-Food Brokers

1986 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
Now with Rallye Gauges!

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:57:40 -0500
From: Jeff Mullenix <muxx@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

At 10:22 PM 2/16/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>Here's my data:
>
>Jeff Mullenix
>Chesapeake, VA
>70 4spd Cutlass Supreme convertable & 85 442, 17 year veteran in the US
Navy. Ready to retire, and part of C&M Classic Parts.
>
>
>>>Just curious...how many Oldsmobilers do we have here, where y'all from, and
>>>what do you do to pay the restoration/gas/insurance/tire bills?  I'll
>>start:
>>>
>>>Drew A. Durigan
>>>Hays, Kansas
>>>Midday personality on Mix103FM, one of three co-owned Radio, Inc. stations
>>>here in Western Kansas.
>>>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:02:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Myassachafin@webtv.net (A Sea)
Subject: Re: interior swap

I have an 84 cutlass w/ bench seats I am about to purchase buckets and a
concole w/ shifter I never really did this kind of work, but dont get me
wrong i know how to work on things, is it that difficult to install this
stuff

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:03:15 -0600
From: "Paul D. Pate" <rocket455@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Paul Pate
1970 Cutlass
Industrial Robotics Engineer
Port Neches, Tx


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:58:36 -0500
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Need help(want to be on G-body list)

Jeff

        Hit the spell check next time!

Jim 

At 10:55 PM 2/16/99 , you wrote:
>Can anyone help me on specifics on how to be added to the G-body list.  I
>am a bit computer illiterate.  detailed help would be gretaly appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>Jeff
>
>70 4spd conv.
>85 442

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:05:11 -0500
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Need help(want to be on G-body list)

No probem, and for anyone who wishes to join:

Head over to the G-body list homepage { http://cyberglyphs.com/gbody/ } and,
after reading all the good information there <grin>, enter your e-mail
address in the box and hit "Subscribe".

Any problems, please e-mail me directly, as Mark Tupper's out of town for
the next day or so.

Thanks!

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://members.xoom.com/jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mullenix <muxx@exis.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 11:01 PM
Subject: Need help(want to be on G-body list)


>Can anyone help me on specifics on how to be added to the G-body list.  I
>am a bit computer illiterate.  detailed help would be gretaly appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>Jeff
>
>70 4spd conv.
>85 442

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:12:35 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Am I still here?  Filled the mailbox today and
not sure if I got u*subscr*****.

Kevin Wood-  age 31
CustSvs Mgr. Badger Wholesale Electric
1972 Olds Cutlass Supreme

Just going along with the Roll Call you know!

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:12:56 EST
From: OLDZ69442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

                              Bob Iozia
                    Honda Fleet Sales Manager
                              Brick NJ

                           '69 442
                           '70 442
                           '67 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:19:40 -0500
From: "Steve Cea" <cutlass@citlink.net>
Subject: Test 2

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 21:12:18 -0700
From: "Travis Adams" <olds442@mcn.net>
Subject: Roll Call

Travis Adams
Billings, MT
9 Year Navy Veteran (currently Navy Recruiter  1-800-USA-NAVY :)
65 442 Sports Coupe

Hey Chermack.  Wanna re-up?   :)

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:18:01 EST
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: POR-15

POR15 black works great on frames but you must prep the metal properly. Steam
it off and then I use an air chipper to get the crevices. Gloss black over
that. No clear coat needed.
Peter
coupeking

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:23:23 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Info, please.

Ok I think I got unsub'd.  And I think I'm back.
What is the digest format anyway?  Is it another way of reading the list
without filling up the mailbox?  I have webtv and 150 messages fills
the box completely.  I really like the list and don't want to annoy Greg
with bounced messages so please give me your ideas!

Thanks.
Kevin

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 22:19:03 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Gas Mileage

Hi kids...

The Party Barge & I just returned from New Orleans, and I would like to
know...WHY did I get only 12 miles to the gallon?  We're talking highway
speeds, and we didn't have bricks in the trunk or anything...

More info - the Check Engine light comes on after 10 minutes of solid
highway driving, and the computer returns Error Code 44, which translates
into "Lean Exhaust Indication"...this would not have a negative impact on
fuel economy, would it?

Other than the light, the car runs great at all speeds, and at idle...my
first Delta got 12 in the city, this one seems to get it on the highway too...

1984 Olds Delta 88 4-door, 155,xxx miles on the original, no rebuild 307,
obviously non-original TH-350, stock (I certainly assume) rear end.  New
plugs, wires, VALVE COVER GASKETS (HI IGOR!!)...generally in pretty good
shape, except for the miles...

Oh, a guy at Tune-Up Masters told me that the Quadrajet had a "worn
throttle shaft" - but I thought that this would only affect idle and low
speeds...

So, what's the story?
- -------------------------------------------------------------
 Brian Ammons		 Universal Internet # (ICQ) - 3585737
 MIS Major - UT Austin	 b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
 2903 Breeze Terrace	 http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
 Austin, TX 78722	Home :	(512) 236-8088 (Austin)
 1984 Oldsmobile		(713) 776-2110 (Houston)
	Delta 88	Pager:	(512) 483-8056
 	  4-door		(713) 318-5938	
- -------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:25:43 -0500 (EST)
From: Myassachafin@webtv.net (A Sea)
Subject: interior swap

is it difficult to swap out a bench seat and put in buckets and a
concole w/ the shifter

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:29:52 EST
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: POR-15

In a message dated 2/16/99 10:01:14 PM Central Standard Time,
442much@plutonium.net writes:

<< Does the frame
 need to be top coated, or is this sufficient?  Anybody have any
 experience with this? >>

I contacted POR with the same question, and they said the frame does not need
to be topcoated. I used the semi-gloss on my frame as well.

Jon

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:30:12 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Roll Call

 1973 Cutlass "S" 455 engine, 4speed trans, 8,900 original miles, window
sticker and delivery stickers are still on the car.  
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">1973 Olds Cutlass 455
4speed</A>  click on the blue to check her out.  and to check out my familys
hot Oldsmobiles   Hot Rod Harry from New Jersey

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:30:08 -0500
From: Roger Nienberg <nienberg.2@wright.edu>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Roger Nienberg  Age (19)

69' Cutlass S convertible 350/4speed
Rolling chassis is almost complete Body is coming along slowly.
Self taught mechanic/mr fix-it
I learn by pulling it apart and trying to fit back together.
2nd year Electrical engineering student    "Wright State University"

From Ottawa, OH

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:37:11 PST
From: "Mike Sealey" <rocket98for69@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

"Drew A. Durigan" <OldsRokkit@aol.com> writes on Tue, 16 Feb 1999 
17:53:03 EST:

>Just curious...how many Oldsmobilers do we have here, where y'all 
>from, and what do you do to pay the restoration/gas/insurance/tire 
>bills?

Mike Sealey
'69 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan

I drive a cab in San Francisco, and live in Pacifica, 13 miles south on 
the coast.  Sure glad this is one straight 98, 'cuz I wouldn't be able 
to afford the caliber of bodywork it would deserve if it needed any.  

(89K original when I bought it at a vehicles-donated-to-charity auction; 
not my fault nobody else had enough brains to outbid my $450 high 
bid...)

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:51:15 -0500
From: "C Thomas" <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: Re: Need help(want to be on G-body list)

You Should also send pics of your car to 442.com most of us guys on the list
have ours posted there its free and we love to here about someone new
Joining the list
Chad Thomas
1985 Cutlass IROC-SS
www.442.com/cthomas.html
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Mullenix <muxx@exis.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 11:01 PM
Subject: Need help(want to be on G-body list)


>Can anyone help me on specifics on how to be added to the G-body list.  I
>am a bit computer illiterate.  detailed help would be gretaly appreciated.
>
>Thanks
>Jeff
>
>70 4spd conv.
>85 442

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Date: 16 Feb 99 21:53:38 MST
From: RSTOMN <restoman@netscape.net>
Subject: ROLL CALL

M.B.SUESS........Tucson,AZ. Age-44
Body+Paint by trade..26-years
Like all Muscle cars but love Oldsmobiles

56-S-88 2dr-hardtop w-455-T400(3-year restoration)
67-98 4-dr tow car 200,000 miles cannot wear it out.
70-442 drop top.(Just sold sight unseen for $15,000
w-442.com pic. ad. took only 10-days.)
70-Supreme 455 Grocery-getter.
Looking for another convert.  

RESTOMAN

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 23:57:37 -0500
From: "C Thomas" <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

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Upstate New York
Currently in College
I Drive a 1985 Cutlass 442 IROC-SS
and A 69 Beetle 4x4 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com <Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 6:04 PM
Subject: RE: Roll Call


>What kind of car do you have......forgot that important point!!!
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: OldsRokkit@aol.com [SMTP:OldsRokkit@aol.com]
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 4:53 PM
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Roll Call
>> 
>> Just curious...how many Oldsmobilers do we have here, where y'all
>> from, and
>> what do you do to pay the restoration/gas/insurance/tire bills?  I'll
>> start:
>> 
>> Drew A. Durigan
>> Hays, Kansas
>> Midday personality on Mix103FM, one of three co-owned Radio, Inc.
>> stations
>> here in Western Kansas.

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