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oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, February 16 1999     Volume 01 : Number 1780



RE: MAIL LIST
Re: BAD American Cars
Re: Conv't Top Replacement $$
Finally Scanned Pix of Big Red
Re: Hello Again
Re: MAIL LIST
RE: MAIL LIST 
Re: Rocket????
Re: Part numbers 57 J 2 setup
Re: Pushrods (non- Ch*tty or Sommerville) was: Roller Rockers.
selling my '71 cutlass conv. in FL
please steer me to chevy list?
NEW FAQ
RE: BAD American Cars
Re: Part numbers
Re:  Meineke Burnout
Re: Part numbers, Intake Runners, Cam Bank Angle, The Spanish Inquisition
Re: BAD American Cars
Re: MAIL LIST
RE: BAD American Cars
Re: RE: MAIL LIST
Re: RE: MAIL LIST
Re: selling my '71 cutlass conv. in FL
Re: Finally Scanned Pix of Big Red
Re: BAD American Cars
gm part # 9787069 clutch fork
Date:	Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:59:10 -0800
RE: New member, and a small prob(long)
Re: MAIL LIST
Re: BAD American Cars
Shifter Linkage
Re: BAD American Cars
Re: Re: MAIL LIST
Re: Parts needed
Re: speaking of ripoff
Re: Part numbers, Intake Runners, Cam Bank Angle, The Spanish Inquisition
Re: Buying Parts
Re: gm part # 9787069 clutch fork
who asked for the picture of my olds?
Karl lost contact with many +: MAIL LIST
Re:Some Q's on a 307 to 455 swap
Why Karl drives a '65 was: BAD American Cars
day dreaming
day dreaming
Re: gm part # 9787069 clutch fork
RE: RE: MAIL LIST
Re: gm part # 9787069 clutch fork -Reply
Re: Part numbers
Re: MAIL LIST
67 330 cams
Re: MAIL LIST
Help to G-body list
RE: gm part # 9787069 clutch fork
Re: MAIL LIST
Re: MAIL LIST
Re: Part numbers

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:22:23 -0600
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: MAIL LIST

or a Hundai

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gene Gilpin [SMTP:ggilpin@wrallp.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:56 AM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: MAIL LIST
> 
> This guy probably drives a Ford Festiva!!

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:20:21 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: BAD American Cars

I don't have my flame suit with me today, so please, no flame intended
here! I just wanted to prove a point between this thread and the "tale
of 2 cars" thread. As I said in that thread, "no one car is 'superior'
to another". This thread is starting to point to American cars being
"superior" to the Jap cars. Well, I have a friend who has a 80
something or other T/A. It is a great car and runs very well even for
that 305. But, one day he punched it trying to get into traffic and
spun the rear around. The driver's rear tire hit the curb and actually
snapped the axle. Now, that doesn't make "all" American cars junk does
it? To prove my point a little bit further, I have off roaded/drove up
a 10 foot snowhill/gotten on 2 wheels/hit a concrete barrier in a
parking lot/AND gotten my Honda airborn all with no problems. 190,000
miles on the engine and I still rev it to 6500 when I am racing. I
will still dump the clutch like it was an American car. No problems.
BUT, that doesn't make all Jap cars "superior" It is just a car.
That's what they all are! I love my Olds like it was my own child. But
to say it's superior.....never.....even after fixing all the factory
problems!

*humbly walking away and tossing my 2 cents in the jar*




- ---Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>
> 
> Jason Adcock wrote:
> > 
> > <big accident snip>There's no way a steel axle (like we have) would
> > have ripped apart like that...the car would have been tossed
around, but it
> > would have been in one piece, unlike the Probe.
> > <snip>
> Try hitting a curb at speed with any front wheel drive!  A RWD would
> have, at most, a bent rim, a FWD will be up to, or in, the thousands. 
> The sharp hit will break the CV joint and suspension parts.  And the
new
> bumpers are designed to fail for 2 reasons, 1) to absorb the energy of
> impact, and b) to force you to by a new one.
> 
> I knew a guy who had a beautiful '69 Cutlass.  When he bought it it
> needed a new fender, hood, grill, headlights plastics, and rad
support. 
> The H-word it had "punted" was totaled.  The Cutlass was sitting where
> the accident occurred while the H-car was back 20 feet and over on a
> lawn.
> 
> But before we all get too cocky, try running you rocket into a F-350
> Superduty dually.  Or rather, don't.
> 
> I guess the point I'm trying to make is there's always a bigger
vehicle
> out there but with the little cars almost everyone's bigger.
> -- 
> 
> Cliff Simpson
> csimpson@ucalgary.ca
> '69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
> http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html
> 

==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:27:15 -0500
From: dclover@epix.net
Subject: Re: Conv't Top Replacement $$

I paid about $250 for top (mail order) & $200 for install, with pads and
glass window.  The install was an upholstery guy at a local Ch*vy dealer
who does this on the side.  Took about 4 days.  The top has some small
wrinkles along the window & one or two bows that the installer said it
came from the factory like that.  Looks pretty darn good for the price!

Dan J
Greg wrote:
> 
> I paid $600 for mine.  Looks good, not perfect though.  Some waviness
> along
> the bows.  new pads were included.
> 
> -greg
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 5:29 PM
> Subject: Conv't Top Replacement $$
> 
> >I was wondering what people paid to have their convertible tops
> replaced on
> >a 70-72 442. Was the work satisfactory and did the top look and last?
> I
> >have heard prices from $400 - $1500 (includes top & Labor).
> >What things should I watch out for?
> >
> >
> >Pettrix@prodigy.net
> >

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:30:02 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Finally Scanned Pix of Big Red

Seeing how "Procrastination" is my middle name -- that, and I just found
where they hide the scanner here at work -- I only just got around
to scanning some pictures of Big Red, suitable for wasting space on
a web page.  Some were taken on Cape Cod, a few years ago -- pre-kids,
which is why my wife looks so happy & well-rested :) -- and the others
were taken just this past summer, with the twins in the back. 

I'm going to send the .jpegs to Bryceman, along with some text,
for (hopeful) inclusion in his virtual car tour; but if anyone else would
like to see 'em, or even think they might look good enough for display
on their own web page, just e-mail me, and I'll send them to you as well.

I also scanned a coupla shots of my previous convertible, if anyone
would like to that one too.  Be warned, however... it's not an Olds.
Heck, it ain't even American.  (hint:  There was a hook behind the
driver's seat to hang a bottle of chianti).  But seascape behind the car
looks nice...

Ciao,



Tim Churchill  tchurchill@draper.com  OCA #30327  Framingham, MA
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, new a.k.a 'Old Gold'
'98 VW Passat GLS Wagon, a.k.a. 'der Kinderwagen'

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:25:51 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Hello Again

Oh, Joe P., *one* of those heads looks purdy dang good!  We haven't touched
the other one yet, but even the original gold paint is shining up pretty
well!  :-)

Jason Adcock
_________

Glad to hear.  It sure looked like they had been off the car once
previously.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:34:51 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: MAIL LIST

In a message dated 02/16/1999 9:56:17 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:

<< This guy probably drives a Ford Festiva!!
  >>

He shouldn't be allowed to drive.  Must be the poster boy for Road Rage
zealots.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:27:56 -0500
From: Marc Leizza <mleizza@solidworks.com>
Subject: RE: MAIL LIST 

Better yet,
I think that we should order a "Code Red"

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Gene Gilpin [SMTP:ggilpin@wrallp.com]
	Sent:	Tuesday, February 16, 1999 10:19 AM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	RE: MAIL LIST 

	You know, This one bugs me. Why the hell was the guy even
subscribed??
	Everyone on this list knows it's a deliberate action to subscr*be to
it.
	I'm sure the guy didn't just wake up one morning and here we were.
If
	everyone on the list that is upset by the comments of this dork
would send
	him one message expressing their thoughts, I guarentee he'd have
MORE THAN
	27 "f-in'" messages from people he doesn't know! People who don't
give much
	of a s--t for him either! Invite the guy to the next Olds show then
we'll
	have a bean bag target!

	Omega Man


	At 09:08 AM 2/16/99 -0600, you wrote:
	>Too bad you don't have better manners.
	>
	>You won't get very far like this.
	>
	>> -----Original Message-----
	>> From:	Onehitz@webtv.net [SMTP:Onehitz@webtv.net]
	>> Sent:	Tuesday, February 16, 1999 6:42 AM
	>> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	>> Subject:	MAIL LIST 
	>> 
	>> REMOVE MY NAME FROM THIS FUCKEN LIST I DONT NEED 27 FUCKING
MESSAGES
	>> FROM PEOPE I DONT KNOW AND SHIT I DONT CARE ABOUT
	>> 
	>> THANKZ
	>>  << File: signature >> 
	>
	>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:35:05 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Rocket????

> Rocket thing. Sometime in the '70's the Rocket nickname began to lose
it's
> popularity with the advertisers (probably when the fuel mileage and
> financing options became more important than performance).

It had a lot to do with GM trying to homogenize their products...
_________

Actually, I'd be willing to bet that it was more a sign of the times than
anything else.  Keep in mind that right after WWII, space and rockets were
new, cutting edge technolgy, so naturally Olds used this to impart a
"cutting edge" flavor to their marketing campaign for the new V8 in 1949.
This continued through the 60s, but those of you old enough to have seen
the Apollo 11 landing will recall that right after that, the space program
budget was cut dramatically as the public lost interest.  Oldmobile's
marketing group was simply responding to the public's interests.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:51:46 EST
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Part numbers 57 J 2 setup

In a message dated 99-02-15 15:02:28 EST, you write:

> Hi Todd,
>  
>  I have a 57 Super 88 woithout the J2 and have always been interested in
>  purchasing one. If you are considering selling it please e-mail me.
>  
>  Fred      FREDALL@aol.com


Hi Fred,

Recently there were two different ones on Ebay, different sellers.

They were both overpriced, and one was missing half of the carb studs.

Will keep you in mind if I hear of one available.

My J-2 intake (bare) cost me $58 including shipping (I think).

That should be a fair starting price.

Good luck!

K

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:00:07 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Pushrods (non- Ch*tty or Sommerville) was: Roller Rockers.

> From: KarlAunan@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Pushrods (non- Ch*tty or Sommerville) was: Roller Rockers.
>
> Are pushrods hollow tubes?

K;
Yes, because of weight, plus I believe they're stronger, "Q" for Joe, are
they?. Main reason is weight as you were saying.
Lou
___________

Pushrods are hollow tubes to reduce the reciprocating weight of the
valvetrain.  One of the limiting factors in how high you can rev the motor
before valve float is the weight (and therefore inertia) in the valvtrain.

The one thing you need to understand is that strenght and stiffness are two
very different things.  Strength is the ability of a material to resist
failure through fracture or shear and (for a given material) is primarily a
function of cross sectional area.  Stiffness is the ability of an item to
resist bending loads and again, for a given material, is a function of not
only cross section area but also cross section shape.  The further away
from the center that the material is placed, the stiffer the item is.
That's why (for the same cross sectional area) an "I" beam is stiffer in
bending than a solid bar, though both would have the same strength.

The stiffness of a cylindrical column (as in, a pushrod) increases in
proportion to diameter to the fourth power, but weight only goes up with
diameter squared.  The result is that virtually all of the stiffness of the
pushrod comes from the material at the outside, so it only makes sense to
remove the material in the center.  Since strength, (both tensile and
compressive), only goes with the cross sectional area, you can see that a
solid pushrod with the same strength as a tubular one will have
significanly less diameter and thus less stiffness.  Conversely a solid
pushrod with the same bending stiffness as a tubular one will weigh
significantly more.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:09:17 -0600
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: selling my '71 cutlass conv. in FL

1971 oldsmobile cutlass supreme convertible- metallic blue with white top
and interior

$6950

- -50,000 miles on entire drivetrain and brake system
- -brand new white top
- -my parents are the original owners
- -matching numbers, all manuals
- -original-type W-25 ram air hood
- -hurst dual gate shifter
- -350HP 350 with a ton of high performance stuff (cam, intake, roller
rockers, MSD, etc)
- -TH-350 with shift kit and B&M torque converter
- -3.08 rear with Auburn limited slip
- -$2000 suspension system (1 3/8" sway bars, springs, Hotchkis rear
arms/braces, full poly bushings)
- -recent 245/60/14 eagle tires
- -Pionner CD headunit with six speakers (four in stock locations, two in
lower door carpeting)
- -Custom aluminum dash panel with full autometer guages (160mph speedo, tach,
fuel,oil, volts, temp).  Looks very, very cool, I even kept four red idiot
lights as backups and also turn signal and high beam indicators.

Paint is only 1 year old, but rear quarters have some rust bubbles at the
top of the lip.  Included is BRAND NEW GM FULL QUARTER PANELS AND DOORS
worth around $1200 on their own.

I can email a picture if interested.

- -Greg

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:18:51 -0600
From: inovator@agriculture.com (Grant Mangold)
Subject: please steer me to chevy list?

Can anyone recommend a mail list similar to this one 
but for 55-56-57 Chevy and Corvette enthusiasts?
(have 57 BelAir and 68 Vette for sale)
Thank you! -- GM

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:26:22 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: NEW FAQ

There is the 4.1 FAQ. There are mostly link corrections in that one as
opposed to 4.0.

I'm also in the process of updating it. There is a lot to add, and it
has been going pretty well. Expanded detail sections on engines,
transmissions, rebuilding and buildup, and corrections. Stay tuned.

- ----------
Is there a new FAQ newer than 4.0?
- --
David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:23:50 -0800
From: "Quinn, James" <JBQUINN@ZoneAutomation.com>
Subject: RE: BAD American Cars

You all are going to love this. This just happened a week ago to a fellow
worker. He was heading home at night from a training class up in San Jose in
his Volkswagen Jetta. He decided to stop off at his parents house half way
home. He missed his exit so he took the next available one. He kind of knows
the area so he figures that he could find his way to the road he needed to
get in the first place. So he's going down this four lane road doing about
55mph and wondering to himself, "Why is this street so empty". Suddenly the
road just ends. There were no signs warning him about the end of the road
and the last few street lights were out. Needless to say, he couldn't stop
in time before hitting the curb straight on. He continued about 30 feet past
the curb. The result of doing this was both wheels broke off, the left CV
joint broke, the struts where bent back and he had some fender damage. The
place he brought the car to said that there was also paint chipping off the
roof, indicating that the whole body was tweaked. The result was that the
car is totaled since the shop said it would be about $5,000 to fix it.

Jim

		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
[mailto:Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com]
		Sent:	Tuesday, February 16, 1999 6:49 AM
		To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
		Subject:	RE: BAD American Cars

		I recommend avoiding the curbs to begin with.


		Mickey
		'68 Cutlass "S" Conv

		> -----Original Message-----
		> From:	Mike Bloomer [SMTP:mbloomer@mindspring.com]
		> Sent:	Monday, February 15, 1999 11:03 PM
		> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
		> Subject:	Re: BAD American Cars
		> 
		> >Try hitting a curb at speed with any front wheel drive!
A RWD would
		> >have, at most, a bent rim, a FWD will be up to, or in,
the thousands.
		> 
		> >The sharp hit will break the CV joint and suspension
parts.  
		> 
		> I was going to try to stay out of this one but I have had
		> the pleasure to repair a couple RWD cars that have hit
curbs
		> and snapped the axle clean off.  The repair parts list was

		> something like this:
		> 
		> Drum, axle, shoes, hardware kit, backing plate, rim,
parking
		> brake cable.
		> 
		> One car actually bent the flange on the rearend and had to

		> replace the whole thing.  Note that these were all cars
that 
		> had virtually no body damage (except that caused by the
		> loose wheel) and simply slid sideways into a curb.  These
		> were all insurance jobs and the price from our shop was in
		> the $750 to $1K range with the exception of the one that
		> needed the rearend.  OTOH, the imports that I've seen pull
		> the same stunt usually just bend the lower control arm and
		> have to ~seriously~ bend it to bust a CV joint with the 
		> exception of the ones that were about to come apart
anyway.
		> CV joints get a bad rap but they'll outlast a RWD U joint
if
		> people would just check the boots.  Without grease and 
		> with water and grit in it anything will wear out.  Like
what was
		> said earlier, every car has it's weak points and certain
things
		> you have to watch out for.  You can't use the same
checklist
		> for all cars.  As far as the cost's of repair, both
imports and
		> domestics have thier own expensive stuff to work on.  If
you
		> have a Northstar better hope you never have starter
problems,
		> it's under the intake manifold!?  How much is that
seemingly
		> simple job gonna cost.  Soapbox off.
		> 
		> Mike Bloomer
		> mbloomer@mindspring.com
		> ICQ# 19113713
		> http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
		> 
		> 

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:24:20 EST
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Part numbers

In a message dated 99-02-15 19:07:31 EST, you write:

> is the carb a holley or a rochester 2gc

Yes, it is a Rochester carb.

Actually, it is ~not~ a 2GC.

It is a 2GV!!

(at least Karl's is)

2GC uses an integral choke.
2GV uses a vacuum-break choke.
The choke is actuated by a small diaphagm connected to steel tubing that
disappears in the area of the exhaust manifold.

Not positive about functionality/routing of tubing.

The Original J-2 carbs are 2x2G (ends) and 2GC (center).

These are, again, the ~small~ throttle plate variety.

Anyone got those intake measurements??

Please?

SOM

&KA

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:07:39 -0800
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re:  Meineke Burnout

>Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 12:21:22 -0700
>From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
>Subject: Re: Burnouts (TEMP SPARES)

>>until a ~BANG~.
>>everyone went running out (Trying not to laugh too hard) and the guy had
>>smoked the tires so bad, one of them blew!.  Man that was one of the
>>funniest moments I can recall.


>So what did you tell the owner.  HA HA.

Well the car was a rat trap, and that's a compliment, so If memory serves me
I think they just got a used tire and threw it on the next day.  Man I'm
still laughing.  If you could only imagine this car going thru all 3 gears,
smoke FILLED parking lot, and BANG.  The guys eyes almost popped out of his
head.  He thought he blew the engine.

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:25:42 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Part numbers, Intake Runners, Cam Bank Angle, The Spanish 
Inquisition

...Or was "B" a 1965-only block?
_______

That's right, one year only.  (Not counting any
end-of-model-year-changeover residual installations which might possibly
have gone into 66s).

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:35:42 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: BAD American Cars

Mike Bloomer wrote:
> 
> >Try hitting a curb at speed with any front wheel drive!  A RWD would
> >have, at most, a bent rim, a FWD will be up to, or in, the thousands.
> >The sharp hit will break the CV joint and suspension parts.
> 
> I was going to try to stay out of this one but I have had
> the pleasure to repair a couple RWD cars that have hit curbs
> and snapped the axle clean off.  The repair parts list was
> something like this:

I guess I haven't been hitting the curbs hard enough:).  I only know of a
couple of curb hits that required repair (other than rims) and they were FWD's
that hit curbs at speed.  One guy told me it cost $800 and the other guy was
nailed for something like $400.  Both of them said that they though it was
excessive and one guy (the more expensive one) thought he should have had no
damage.  His wife had just run off of the road when she hit ice.

Anyway, I agree that all types of cars have their weaknesses and all new cars
have parts that are available from only one source and you get gouged for
them.  That's why I drive a car that I can drop a new engine in for <$1,600, a
rebuilt tranny for <$500 and body parts, once I find them, are a couple of
hundred bucks max.

On the lighter note, a guy in Calgary had his newish car written off because
someone stole the seats!  Seems the car was new enough that they would have to
buy the units from the manufacturer and they don't sell whole seats just the
parts.  Once the insurance company tallied up the parts and the labour to build
and install them, it was more than the car was worth.

> <a bunch of real world experiences getting in the way of a good theory 
snipped :)>
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

PS: I'm trying to convert all units to U.S. from now on.  Miles, Lbs., U.S.
dollars, U.S. gallons (smaller than Imperial gallons), etc.  Assume that all
units are U.S. unless specified otherwise.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:33:12 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: MAIL LIST

<<REMOVE MY NAME FROM THIS FUCKEN LIST I DONT NEED 27 FUCKING MESSAGES FROM
PEOPE I DONT KNOW AND SHIT I DONT CARE ABOUT>>

Which begs the question...uh, why did you subscribe in the first place? 


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:40:28 -0600
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: BAD American Cars

	This one smells of urban legend...........

> On the lighter note, a guy in Calgary had his newish car written off
> because
> someone stole the seats!  Seems the car was new enough that they would
> have to
> buy the units from the manufacturer and they don't sell whole seats
> just the
> parts.  Once the insurance company tallied up the parts and the labour
> to build
> and install them, it was more than the car was worth.
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:37:47 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: RE: MAIL LIST

In a message dated 2/16/99, 9:59:26 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<Probably drives a Yugo!!!!>>

Is that even possible?  I thought they were all extinct by now.


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:45:16 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: RE: MAIL LIST

No, Your thinking of the Pinto. Fords high performance car of the 70's.

Omega Man




At 11:37 AM 2/16/99 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 2/16/99, 9:59:26 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
>
><<Probably drives a Yugo!!!!>>
>
>Is that even possible?  I thought they were all extinct by now.
>
>
>-Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
>
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:48:18 -0500
From: "C Thomas" <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: Re: selling my '71 cutlass conv. in FL

Please send Pics I Have Cash
Chad Thomas
1985 Cutlass IROC-SS
1984 CS 330 Rocket
1964 Jetstar 88
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
To: Olds list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 11:14 AM
Subject: selling my '71 cutlass conv. in FL


>1971 oldsmobile cutlass supreme convertible- metallic blue with white top
>and interior
>
>$6950
>
>-50,000 miles on entire drivetrain and brake system
>-brand new white top
>-my parents are the original owners
>-matching numbers, all manuals
>-original-type W-25 ram air hood
>-hurst dual gate shifter
>-350HP 350 with a ton of high performance stuff (cam, intake, roller
>rockers, MSD, etc)
>-TH-350 with shift kit and B&M torque converter
>-3.08 rear with Auburn limited slip
>-$2000 suspension system (1 3/8" sway bars, springs, Hotchkis rear
>arms/braces, full poly bushings)
>-recent 245/60/14 eagle tires
>-Pionner CD headunit with six speakers (four in stock locations, two in
>lower door carpeting)
>-Custom aluminum dash panel with full autometer guages (160mph speedo,
tach,
>fuel,oil, volts, temp).  Looks very, very cool, I even kept four red idiot
>lights as backups and also turn signal and high beam indicators.
>
>Paint is only 1 year old, but rear quarters have some rust bubbles at the
>top of the lip.  Included is BRAND NEW GM FULL QUARTER PANELS AND DOORS
>worth around $1200 on their own.
>
>I can email a picture if interested.
>
>-Greg
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:49:53 -0500
From: "C Thomas" <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: Re: Finally Scanned Pix of Big Red

Send the pics to cthomas@stny.lrun.com 
- -----Original Message-----
From: Timothy A. Churchill <tchurchill@draper.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 10:33 AM
Subject: Finally Scanned Pix of Big Red


>
>
>Seeing how "Procrastination" is my middle name -- that, and I just found
>where they hide the scanner here at work -- I only just got around
>to scanning some pictures of Big Red, suitable for wasting space on
>a web page.  Some were taken on Cape Cod, a few years ago -- pre-kids,
>which is why my wife looks so happy & well-rested :) -- and the others
>were taken just this past summer, with the twins in the back. 
>
>I'm going to send the .jpegs to Bryceman, along with some text,
>for (hopeful) inclusion in his virtual car tour; but if anyone else would
>like to see 'em, or even think they might look good enough for display
>on their own web page, just e-mail me, and I'll send them to you as well.
>
>I also scanned a coupla shots of my previous convertible, if anyone
>would like to that one too.  Be warned, however... it's not an Olds.
>Heck, it ain't even American.  (hint:  There was a hook behind the
>driver's seat to hang a bottle of chianti).  But seascape behind the car
>looks nice...
>
>Ciao,
>
>
>
>Tim Churchill  tchurchill@draper.com  OCA #30327  Framingham, MA
>----------------------------------------------------------------
>'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
>'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, new a.k.a 'Old Gold'
>'98 VW Passat GLS Wagon, a.k.a. 'der Kinderwagen'
>
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:50:26 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: BAD American Cars

...My friend and I were at the D.C. auto show and I
saw what I thought to be the starter in the 'V' of the engine, right there
in the middle...
________

Unfortunately, this is the result of trying to package more stuff in a
smaller car.  The new long-runner EFI systems leave a lot of space in the
vee of the engine.  Obviously some clever designer decided to use this
space to package the starter, thereby cleaning up the bottom of the motor
for things like transmission, suspension parts, half shaftss, and engine
mounting cradles (especially important in an east-west mounting
configuration like the Northstar/Aurora).  The original Cosworth F1 motor,
designed in the 60s, also made use of this space in the vee to mount
accessories.  Keep in mind that not only do you need to pull the intake to
change out the starter, but the entire EFI system as well!  I was even more
surprised that the Toyota/Lexus V8 uses a similar starter mounting
arrangement, and that engine is only used in north-south mounting
configurations in RWD cars and 4WD trucks.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:44:02 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: gm part # 9787069 clutch fork

All,
A guy emailed me the other day looking for said clutch fork.  And with my
post a while back on clutches and it's subsequent questions it raised, I
figured I'd post this to this list to see if it can be verified.  Is he
correct about the clutch fork, in both part # and the way he says it
'attaches'?  I'd be interested in knowing for future reference.  Thanks.
> > 
> >  i am looking for above clutch fork that fits 69-72 buick skylark gs big
> > block/olds cutlass big block cars with 4 speed hurst package.   this
> fork
> > pins to the linkage & is not the same as the 350 fork which uses the
> > dimple/push rod design with the large spring.
> 
Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:59:10 -0800
From: "Tamoco Inc Home Inspection Services" <tamoco@empnet.com>
Subject: Date:	Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:59:10 -0800

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how can I find out what options a 67 442 came with it is a 4 speed =
convertible how many of these were made I have found out home many 442's =
how many convertibles and how many cutlass convertibles with 4 speeds =
but home many 67 442 convertibles with 4 speeds. my car also has power =
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:55:18 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: RE: New member, and a small prob(long)

Meant loose as in I have to spin the wheel about 60 times(or so it seems)
to turn a corner, then another 60 times to bring it back.

Ben Markert, aka Lord Radu Lykan
_______

Pull the box and send it to Power Steering Services (417-864-6676,
Springfield Missouri   http://www.powersteering.com).

For $200 they will rebuild your box with quick ratio 12:1 gears.  They do
excellent work and the quick ratio box will greatly improve steering feel.
Just keep in mind that unless the front end has been rebuilt, a car that
old will likely have worn parts throughout the suspension and steering
linkage.  The box by itself will obviously not correct all the steering
feel problems.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:02:19 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: MAIL LIST

On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Andrew C. Green wrote:
> I'm kind of amazed he even found it in the first place.
> 
> (pausing now for the followup from Greg B., probably saying
> something like "STOP FOLLOWING UP TO THAT IDIOT; I HAVE
> REMOVED HIM FROM THE LIST AND TAKEN OTHER MEASURES WHICH I
> CANNOT ELABORATE ON BUT WHICH WILL ENSURE THAT HE CANNOT
> REPRODUCE EVEN IN THE EVENT THAT HE FIGURES OUT HOW TO DO
> THAT AS WELL" :-)

I wish I felt that eloquent right now Andy...

I'm at work, on lunch, and decided to check the list. What the list didn't
see was the first message that this guy sent sometime this morning, to me
personally, asking (somewhat civilly) to be removed from the list. My
first reaction (and I swear I did think this) was "now, that's more like
it, I don't mind when people ask me like that," since I had just
encountered a couple of other geniuses this morning when I checked my mail
before breakfast, who decided to send abuse to me sometime overnight
because they couldn't figure out that it was their responsibility to
uns*bscribe themselves.  Always amazes me that people somehow blame me
when they delete their instructions... I can see *asking* me how to do it,
but that almost never happens. It's like I'm holding them prisoner or
something because of something I did. 

Anyway, I process the request without checking the rest of the messages.
Once I do, I then see a bunch of other personal messages to me, each in a
more demanding tome that the rest, then the magical f-word one to the
list. How special. 

To say I'm discouraged right now would be an understatement. 

FWIW, I'm going to forward the messages to abuse@webtv.net but I doubt if
it will do much good. Funny thing, almost all the abusive stuff that gets
sent to me is from either webtv or aol. Maybe you should have to be
licensed before you can use the net... 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:05:29 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: BAD American Cars

May be, it was reported by the local news crew, I remember them showing the
interior with no seats (light tan interior but I don't think the seats were
leather).  It was a human interest piece.

Of course the media never makes mistakes, gets caught up in UB's, shows bias
:)))

Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com wrote:
> 
>         This one smells of urban legend...........
> 
> > On the lighter note, a guy in Calgary had his newish car written off
> > because someone stole the seats!  <snip>
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:05:23 -0500
From: "C Thomas" <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: Shifter Linkage

The Shifter on my 85 Cutlass (ON THE COLOUM) rattles when its in drive I
think that its the Linkage at the other end can I buy a kit or do I have to
find the parts at a salvage yard.\
Chad Thomas

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:15:27 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: BAD American Cars

>Yeah, what's with that?  My friend and I were at the D.C. auto show and I
>saw what I thought to be the starter in the 'V' of the engine, right there
>in the middle.  I asked the know-nothing in a suit and he said that it *is*
>in the middle, but they don't know why; they'd have to ask an engineer.
>That'd be a good 4 or 5 hours of labor to change that sucker out!  :-)

I saw that setup too at the auto show (of course, the Aurora shares that
setup too [M.O.C.]); also the same setup as the LT5 in the ZR1 Corvette. 

Considering that it's a dry manifold, however, I imagine it wouldn't
necessarily be that bad: unplug the connectors, unbolt the intake, replace
the starter, install new dry gaskets, and reconnect. But yes, I guess that
*could* be a 4-hour job... :(
________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	    MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:08:40 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: MAIL LIST

In a message dated 2/16/99, 12:04:36 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<To say I'm discouraged right now would be an understatement. >>

Understand completely, Greg.  But just remember...for every jerk like him,
there's several of us Oldsmobile lovers who genuinely appreciate the efforts
of Bryceman and yourself in bringing all things Oldsmobile  to the Net.  Hang
in there!

Oh yeah....not all us AOL'ers are bad apples :-)


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:32:58 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Parts needed

I have a set
Very Good condition $200
Plus shipping.

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454




- ----------
> From: Todd Thomas <OLDS72W30@webtv.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Parts needed
> Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 9:58 AM
> 
> I need a pair of exhaust manifolds for my 72W30, would anyone be willing
> to sell a pair???
> Todd Thomas
> 

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:26:25 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: speaking of ripoff

Same guy.

- -----Original Message-----

>
>that name sounded familiar, so I checked on my "book of contacts"
>
>I got a call from a guy named Stefan DeSimone, about an H/O air cleaner
>he had.  Sounded weird when he started talking about "plastic" parts on
>the shroud.  Needless to say, I didn't send him any money.
>
>he listed a number of 401-455-9425 and his 'parent's" address of
>117 Boston Post Rd No. 283
>Waterford, CT 06385
>
>Hope they nail him
>
>Mike Rothe
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:30:25 EST
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Part numbers, Intake Runners, Cam Bank Angle, The Spanish 
Inquisition

In a message dated 99-02-16 11:33:01 EST, you write:

> That's right, one year only.  (Not counting any
>  end-of-model-year-changeover residual installations which might possibly
>  have gone into 66s).
>  
>  Joe Padavano
>  padavano.joe@orbital.com

Karl could have ~sworn~ (as others have recently [grin]) that there were 1966
cars with "B" blocks. 

Also, saw 1965 "4 4 2's" with "A" blocks.

Just hafta file away with the 400 cid "5" block, huh?

So much for IVOC show cars.

Anyone at the last Olds Nat's notice these??

SOM

&KA

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:15:26 -0800
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re: Buying Parts

>Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:11:19 -0500
>From: "dave worthington" <oldsranch@worldnet.att.net>

[SNIP]

>and a thank you to those of you who've passed around the "welding up center
>divider" idea.  I'm about 3 weeks away from tackling the heads. 

Great let us know how the job turns out for you!

>My first was a 350 olds in 1987.  Still driving it today!  

My first engine was a 5HP Briggs& Stratton Lawnmower which my parents
received for their wedding anniversary.  It's still running and is 'The
Beater', used for trimming the grass where there are a bunch of rocks (If
you lived near Austin TX, you'd understand!).  Still going strong.

>But anyway, we got a valve grinder and Sioux seat grinder about 15 years
ago, and it is
>awesome to do the stuff you would usually have to farm out!  

That was the type of grinder I learned on!  ahh the memories.


Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:31:37 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: gm part # 9787069 clutch fork

> > pins to the linkage & is not the same as the 350 fork which uses the
> > dimple/push rod design with the large spring.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, my car uses the dimple/push rod design
with the large spring, as does a friend's '70 GTO.  I thought this fork was
the common design for all A-bodies.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 11:42:54 -0600
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: who asked for the picture of my olds?

I tried to send the picture to the email address and it bounced.  Please
give me a good address to send the picture.

- -greg

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:45:10 EST
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Karl lost contact with many +: MAIL LIST

In a message dated 99-02-16 11:45:51 EST, you write:

> No, Your thinking of the Pinto. Fords high performance car of the 70's.

Not HiPo until you slam it in the back bumper with much force, then it really
goes.

Could we talk Olds please?

A buddy needs a Q-jet for his Ch*tty p/u.

Saw Bob Shinkel's 73 carb for $40.
Is that a Q-jet?

Anyone near Chi-town got a Q-Jet to get rid of?

Incidentally, want to ask that feller who works at an Autozone.

What is the core charge/refund for a Q-jet?

Karl has failed to provide old starting motor because he felt not worth the
discount of "core charge".
Might be wrong in long run but.....
Well, that is another story.

in other news, Karl needs to hear from at ~least~ 3 people.

One has a 371 for sale "Rocket motor" in El Paso, TX.
One has a 350 for sale in MI.
And one has a potential buy for me in CO that would make SOM a parts car.

Drat!

Was that out loud?

No! I was just kidding.... aaack!

Karl will be unavailable for a short while due to hospitalization.

SOM

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:56:47 -0500
From: Andrew Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.muohio.edu>
Subject: Re:Some Q's on a 307 to 455 swap

     Bill,
     Where did you get the w-30 hood from? U.S. Body Source? I was planning
to use my tax return on this hood for my '87 cutlass and wanted to know how
good the quality of it is? Did you have to do a lot to get the hood to fit?
     Sorry this was off your original subject.
    Thanks!

Andrew Geeting
'87 cutlass supreme
'88 cutlass supreme brougham
'74 delta 88 convertible

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:57:19 EST
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Why Karl drives a '65 was: BAD American Cars

In a message dated 99-02-16 12:09:46 EST, you write:

> Considering that it's a dry manifold, however, I imagine it wouldn't
>  necessarily be that bad: unplug the connectors, unbolt the intake, replace
>  the starter, install new dry gaskets, and reconnect. But yes, I guess that
>  *could* be a 4-hour job... :(

(quick recouperation)

4 hours?

In last year's troubled times, Karl was swapping starting motors in less than
1 hour.

Add to that no emmissions, and no dealer-only parts.
(In fact not many to assist in parts location).

425 cid motor.
Body shape from bygone days (always turns heads).
No computer (or CCM) parts.
No plastic parts, except for plastic 1965 steering wheel (cracked) and some
dash lenses.

*~FUN~* to drive.

Can't really think ~what~ these other guys on the road were thinking.

['cept for the Trooper in the Camaro with all the nifty lights......]

SOM

&KA

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 12:58:14 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: day dreaming

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I had a vision of a Ch*vy S-10, the base junk motor had been removed, a =
455 and 4L80 transmission had been put in it's place. 4.56 gears were =
installed in the rear end. The grill and all the ch*vy identification =
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new Olds emblems in place of the bow ties. The Ultimate parts hauler. A =
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:06:29 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: day dreaming

sorry, first time I sent this, it was in HTML instead of plain text.

Here's some fodder for the list.

I had a vision of a Ch*vy S-10, the base junk motor had been removed, a 455
and 4L80 transmission had been put in it's place. 4.56 gears were installed
in the rear end. The grill and all the ch*vy identification had been
removed. In there place was the grill from an Olds SUV (whatever they call
that thing) which is just a S-10 based Olds, and the new Olds emblems in
place of the bow ties. The Ultimate parts hauler. A big block Olds
mini-truck. A one of a kind that looked like it came from the factory.
Aaaaahhhhh! Now if only I were rich.
Hey Lou, don't you have an S-10?

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:12:43 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: gm part # 9787069 clutch fork

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, my car uses the dimple/push rod design
with the large spring, as does a friend's '70 GTO.  I thought this fork was
the common design for all A-bodies.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
_______

I have to second that; my 70 W-30 also uses the dimple/push rod design.  Of
couse, it didn't have the original engine when I bought it, either...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:21:54 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: RE: MAIL LIST

> <<Probably drives a Yugo!!!!>>
> 
> Is that even possible?  I thought they were all extinct by now.
> 
> 
Especially since the country is.
I've actually seen a running (driving and going down the road under it's own
power) Yugo last fall.  Was astonished to say the least.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:22:52 -0500
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
Subject: Re: gm part # 9787069 clutch fork -Reply

My 69 uses the dimple/pushrod design. Also dimple/pushrod is shown in
the 69 service manual

Tony Molinaro
69 442 4spd

>>> <Padavano.Joe@orbital.com> Tuesday, February 16, 1999 >>>
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, my car uses the dimple/push rod
design
with the large spring, as does a friend's '70 GTO.  I thought this fork was
the common design for all A-bodies.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
_______

I have to second that; my 70 W-30 also uses the dimple/push rod design. 
Of
couse, it didn't have the original engine when I bought it, either...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:41:57 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Part numbers

sorry carl we were just trying to nail down the application 
- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAunan@aol.com <KarlAunan@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: Part numbers


>In a message dated 99-02-15 19:07:31 EST, you write:
>
>> is the carb a holley or a rochester 2gc
>
>Yes, it is a Rochester carb.
>
>Actually, it is ~not~ a 2GC.
>
>It is a 2GV!!
>
>(at least Karl's is)
>
>2GC uses an integral choke.
>2GV uses a vacuum-break choke.
>The choke is actuated by a small diaphagm connected to steel tubing that
>disappears in the area of the exhaust manifold.
>
>Not positive about functionality/routing of tubing.
>
>The Original J-2 carbs are 2x2G (ends) and 2GC (center).
>
>These are, again, the ~small~ throttle plate variety.
>
>Anyone got those intake measurements??
>
>Please?
>
>SOM
>
>&KA

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:25:08 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: MAIL LIST

In a message dated 02/16/1999 11:40:15 AM Eastern Standard Time,
OldsRokkit@aol.com writes:

<< <<Probably drives a Yugo!!!!>>
 
 Is that even possible?  I thought they were all extinct by now.
  >>

Believe it or not, I saw one on the road a couple of months ago.  I did a
double take.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:27:42 -0500
From: Jeff Mullenix <muxx@exis.net>
Subject: 67 330 cams

Hi all,  

   Just curious,  I am putting a 67, 330 in my 85 442.  Laying up the 307.
I am wondering on the lists thoughts of a 280H comp cam in the 330.  How
radical would it be and what kind of horse power and torque will I be
looking at. The engine is a 67 330, 2 bbl. and putting the 307 aluminum 4
bbl intake on.  What else should I look out for when swapping this engine
for the original 307.  I do know that I need to use the 307 exhaust
manifolds and I am using the original intake.  Also using the original
tranny out of the 85.  Any other inputs would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Jeff

70 4spd conv.
85 442

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:49:43 -0600
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Subject: Re: MAIL LIST

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:29:51 -0500
From: Jeff Mullenix <muxx@exis.net>
Subject: Help to G-body list

I am looking for help in getting added to the G-body list.  Can anyone be
of help.  I am a bit computer illiterate.

Thanks
Jeff

70 4spd conv.
85 442

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:25:26 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: gm part # 9787069 clutch fork

Well, like I said, just fwd'ing the message sent to me.  Didn't think
anything about it at first, then thought to myself, huh, is the small
block/big block design different?  Couldn't be, why would GM do that.


Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:45:35 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: MAIL LIST

Marc Leizza wrote:
> 
> Probably drives a Yugo!!!!
> 
>         -----Original Message-----
>         From:   Gene Gilpin [SMTP:ggilpin@wrallp.com]
>         Sent:   Tuesday, February 16, 1999 9:56 AM
>         To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>         Subject:        Re: MAIL LIST
> 
>         This guy probably drives a Ford Festiva!!

I would suspect more like a pedal powered Tyco plasticmobile.  Depending
on your choice of gene intervention, obviously a poster boy for
abortion.  Sometimes the gene pool does need thinning out a bit. 
(Written tongue in cheek, and not as a commentary on the issues of
abortion, which is an issue for a different venue all together.)  I have
met a few people over the years that would have served the world better
by not being born at all, but thankfully most of them weren't Oldsmonuts
or even car people in general.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:27:08 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: MAIL LIST

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> Once I do, I then see a bunch of other personal messages to me, each in a
> more demanding tome that the rest, then the magical f-word one to the
> list. How special.

Hey Greg,

You oughtta forward all the abusive ones you receive to Ray (Master)
Costanzo.  He's got a few ideas for just such an occasion ;-)

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 13:42:50 EST
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Part numbers

In a message dated 99-02-16 13:26:39 EST, you write:

> sorry carl we were just trying to nail down the application 

Actually, the person who put me onto the app for that carb # was Dorian

DYeager535@aol.com

C'mon! ~someone~ has to have a 350 intake laying around that they can take a
ruler to!

SOM

&KA

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