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oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, January 16 1999     Volume 01 : Number 1720



Where have all the Rally Packs gone?
Re: Towing
Re: Trailer "Queens" (Was beater..)
Re: Chicago area Oldsmonuts
1954 Super 88 FOR SALE!
OCA Web Site Updated (Finally)
Re: Beater vs. Restored: Opinions?
Re: 1954 Super 88 FOR SALE!
For Sale: '75 Delta Convert
Re: SV: Weather
Re: Resto shop in Cleveland
Re: Beater vs. Restored: Opinions?
Re: Trailer "Queens" (Was beater..)
Th200-R4 in Chevy Truck
Re: Towing
Oldsmobile on E-bay
RE: 455 w/overdrive?
Re: Robert-Shaw Thermo?
50 OLDS FOR SALE
RE: 455 w/overdrive?
Re: Th200-R4 in Chevy Truck LONG
Re: Dream on !!!! non -Olds ,falcons broncos???????
Re: Where have all the Rally Packs gone?
Re: needs
Re: Tips for Headliner installation
Re: speedo error
80 Olds carb question
Re: Tips for Headliner installation
9000 rpm Aurora/Northstar
Re: Resto shop in Cleveland
Re: You're kidding, right
Re: 80 Olds carb question
Re: needs
Re: Towing
RE: Resto shop in Cleveland
Re: ignition coil grounding..
Re:can i put a ford 9'' in my 65 vist cruzer?
SV: 9000 rpm Olds
Re: WANTED: Oldsmobile Commercial (fwd)
Re: can i put a ford 9'' in my 65 vist cruzer?
Re:can i put a ford 9'' in my 65 vist cruzer?
Re: Where have all the Rally Packs gone?
Re: can i put a ford 9'' in my 65 vist cruzer?
Re: Re:can i put a ford 9'' in my 65 vist cruzer?
Re: Where have all the Rally Packs gone?
Re: 80 Olds carb question
A really cool two-tone paint job on a driver car
'71 Olds ID
driver side window off track
Re: '71 Olds ID
Re: '71 Olds ID
(no subject)
Re: (no subject)
Re: (no subject)
Re: Towing
Ralley Pac Question
Interior Question
384 in a 79 Cut;lass???
Fw: Towing

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:27:13 EST
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Where have all the Rally Packs gone?

	With all the hundreds of thousands Cutlasses, 442's, etc. that were 
built
between 1970-72, how come there are very few Rally Packs to be had? Are they
all sitting in junkyards? You would think that one out of five cars had to
have one in them, but nobody seams to have them, and if they do, they want an
arm and a leg for 'em. Any thought?
Jim McKeague
1970 Rallye 350 (rally-packless)
1970 Cutlass W-31 

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:29:41 -0500
From: Rebel1 <rebel1@raex.com>
Subject: Re: Towing

Have a similar setup in my '83 Cutlass - 700R4 with 3.73's turns 2500 at
60 with 255/60/15's on it...
Todd Daenzer
All the toys put away for the winter...

Jonathan Hart wrote:

>  Thanks for the info on the 700-r4 Greg. The 307 with the factory gear
> in my 83 98 really hurts at highway speed lugging around my 20 foot
> pontoon boat. I am going to put dual exhaust and flowmasters and
> change the factory 2.73 gear to a 3.42 or 3.73. Has anyone put a 3.73
> in this application? I am curious about the tack speed in normal drive
> at 60 mph. Thanks, Jon Hart1983 981972 Chevelle1998 Malibu1990 Mustang
> Convertible

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:39:48 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Trailer "Queens" (Was beater..)

Dave Cullen wrote:
Snipping.......

> And as others have pointed out, sometimes your own vision changes over time.

Snipping....

>Rode it on a vacation from Connecticut to Ontario in the rain one
> year. I used to sneer at the wimps who only rode on nice days.
> 
> Then I grew up, got a real job, bought a car (78 Omega), and the Norton went
> under cover. Now it only comes out for shows and when I need a dose of
> testosterone. Don't own a trailer, but I'll ride 5 miles out of my way to
> avoid a puddle. It just takes too damn long to clean it afterward.

Reminds me of the old expression, "We grow too soon old and too late
smart".  I am reminded of this on almost a daily basis as I dive in to
50th year of my life.  IF you could take your knowledge at 50 and stick
it in your head when you were 12-13 a lot of different choices would be
made.  Then you could screw up something else.  Yes I would have bought
and stored that 70 W-30 and the 72 Hurst and the LT 1 Vette conv and the
70 hemi Charger and...and... and...  

Not to mention wrong jobs taken, wrong women chosen, etc, etc.  And
there is no way my 69 S conv would have NEVER, EVER gotten out of my
sight like it did.  Talk about a wrong decision!  Now I have to redo
what was already perfect because of the sadistic criminal bent of
others.  A lesson learned the hard way I guarantee you.  NOT TO BE
REPEATED EITHER!

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:50:27 -0500
From: "Mick Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Chicago area Oldsmonuts

Unless someone has a
>better route, it looks like Lexington, Ky to Louisville to Indianapolis
>to northern Chicago.  If anyone has a better idea please reply to me
>directly.  Thanks.  As for Olds content, I doubt very many of them will
>be out of their nice warm garages this time of year.

Don,
Say hello to Columbus, Indiana as you pass through. Check out the cool new
bridge over I-65.
Have a safe trip. You are driving an Olds aren't you? Not one of those "L"
word cars ;-)
==============================================
Mick Gillespie, Melbourne, FL
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
==============================================

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:49:25 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: 1954 Super 88 FOR SALE!

Ok Ok, I've posted this car before, and no one responded. This thing has 100k
miles on the 324 rocket V-8 (4bbl, 185hp!). It's and auto, new breaks, new
steering coloum, needs minor body work and paint. 4door, very orignal shape,
worth looking into!
$3000.00 obo
Located in Seattle Washington (can drive home)

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:50:04 -0500
From: "Brad Nicholson" <brad442@erols.com>
Subject: OCA Web Site Updated (Finally)

Check out http://www.oldsclub.org and send your critiques


BTW, I'm using Microsquish FrontPage98 and the backgrounds for a couple of
pages aren't showing up.  If anyone had this problem before and has a clue
where I should check my files, please reply to me privately at
brad442@erols.com.  Thanks

I'm finalizing OCA membership software (VB5 & Access95) plus the local Olds
Centennial Club stuff so I've been busy and haven't kept up w/ the list for
the last month.  Plan on doing that Mon (US Federal holiday - your taxes not
at work :-)

Brad Nicholson (OCA's WebGuy)
H- brad442@erols.com
W- brad.nicholson@ssa.gov

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:55:31 -0500
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Beater vs. Restored: Opinions?

Lou Biggs wrote:

> Mark,
> Since we have two Lous I shall change my handle to " Master Lou", if Ray
> can, right????.
> Lou

Mr. Lou,

How about Mr. Lou?

Mark

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:58:49 EST
From: Bbymks4@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1954 Super 88 FOR SALE!

             Sounds like an interesting car, I'm not really interested, but I
know what it's 
   not to get reply's.......later dude....

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:04:48 -0500
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: For Sale: '75 Delta Convert

FYI came across this:

1975 Olds Delta 88 Royale convertible   $250

there's a picture @
http://www.JLP.com/page2.html

Email   aaa@texas.net  or    jlp@jlp.com

Location: Rt 7 Box 525U San Antonio, Tx  78264   ph 210-626-3453



don't know anything else

jp

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:23:03 EST
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Re: SV: Weather

High 70's here, and top down cruisin to the auctions this and next weekend.
David 70 442 W-30 conv.  OCA #30416

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:27:29 EST
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: Resto shop in Cleveland

In a message dated 1/15/99 8:24:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
SemantanaC@tce.com writes:

<< Hi all,
 I got an email the other day from an individual in Cleveland, OH, Scott
 Branch if I recall, I do remember it was Scott B.  Anyway, when he signed
 the message, under his name was Classic Auto Restoration.  I'm just
 wondering if anyone has heard of this place and if so what have they heard?
 Thanks.
 
 Chris (slowly searching for resto shops) Smetana
 Terre Haute, IN >>
     
    Chris,
 i live in Cleveland, Ohio. I didn't se a listing for Classic Auto Restoration
in the Business phone book.  I haven't needed any major work done to my Olds
to require the assistance of a resto shop. The few Olds  friends i have have
no information on a Scott Branch...............Scott ( yes a different Scott!!
: )

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:31:08 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Beater vs. Restored: Opinions?

Mark, 
Other Lou took that one I guess.
Master Lou
- ----------
> From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Beater vs. Restored: Opinions?
> Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 9:55 PM
> 
> Lou Biggs wrote:
> 
> > Mark,
> > Since we have two Lous I shall change my handle to " Master Lou", if
Ray
> > can, right????.
> > Lou
> 
> Mr. Lou,
> 
> How about Mr. Lou?
> 
> Mark
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:35:15 EST
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: Trailer "Queens" (Was beater..)

 My house sits near an apartment enterance. My street is gradual hill. There
is a guy in the apartments that drives his 73-74 Cutlass every day.I hear the
car start every morning. It is definatly not a stock engine!!. When there is
snow on the roads, you can hear his tires fightinhg for traction. The car
looks to be in very nice shape. So my guess is either he is driving this car
becuase it is the only one hehas, or he drivesit becuase he wants
to...........SCOTT ( who drives his 90 Supreme every day, cuz the wifes Lumina
APV van is just too but-ugly!!)

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:30:09 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Th200-R4 in Chevy Truck

I really need a truck.  So, since Olds never built one I can have the next
best thing.  A Chevy short-box with Olds power.  I would like to put my
Regency drive-train in the truck for beginning and later put a bigger olds
and Th350.  I know about the motor stuff, but what about the 200-4R in
trucks.  I figure that a Th400 cross-member  would work and I would have to
get a custom drive-shaft, but that should not be a problem.  What about
linkage or floor clearance.  I figure it should all be really easy.  Also,
what headers might work with Olds motor in Chevy truck. Just out of
curiosity, did they make headers for Disels, and of course particularly that
350 Olds disel.  Thanks.  Igor.

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:41:44 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re: Towing

I was wondering what engine you have in the 83 is it SBC or SBO as I have a
80 Cutlass with a 307 and a 3.73. Now have to add an OD tranie so that I can
take it on the highway revs at 3200 at about 100KM or 60 MPH Was it hard to
put in or was it almost a bolt in item.?

Thanks
Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme


>Have a similar setup in my '83 Cutlass - 700R4 with 3.73's turns 2500 at
>60 with 255/60/15's on it...
>Todd Daenzer
>All the toys put away for the winter...
>
>Jonathan Hart wrote:
>
>>  Thanks for the info on the 700-r4 Greg. The 307 with the factory gear
>> in my 83 98 really hurts at highway speed lugging around my 20 foot
>> pontoon boat. I am going to put dual exhaust and flowmasters and
>> change the factory 2.73 gear to a 3.42 or 3.73. Has anyone put a 3.73
>> in this application? I am curious about the tack speed in normal drive
>> at 60 mph. Thanks, Jon Hart1983 981972 Chevelle1998 Malibu1990 Mustang
>> Convertible
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:52:52 EST
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Oldsmobile on E-bay

  Just thought i let the list know that there is a lot of 68 Olds. parts from
sale on e-bay. The prices seem cheap..........usual stuff, i don't know the
person selling the stuff, just thought the list could use the
info.........www.ebay.com...... then type Oldsmobile next to where it says "
SEARCH"..........SCOTT

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 23:13:31 -0600 (CST)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: RE: 455 w/overdrive?

The 400 overdrive is a 4L80E, I think.  Art Carr sells them with the
required electronics for about $3500.  I'd like to know if you can take
a stocker out of a heavy duty truck, and use an alternative electronic
setup to control shifts.  I think  that some company offers these, seems
like Accel.

Jeff Carter
blue442@webtv.net

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 21:53:44 -0800
From: mitzm@earthlink.net
Subject: Re: Robert-Shaw Thermo?

Coincidentally,  I just recieved, today, my brand spankin new Modine 4 core
radiator  for my 70 Cutlass from National Automotive Lines in Indiana
1-800-428-4300, http://www.natauto.com for $163 + $15 shipping to
California.  Took 5 days to get here.

Figured I might as well replace the thermostat at the same time.  They sent
a Robertshaw for something like $1.63 !!!!!!

I can't say enough good stuff about this outfit for this kind of
run-of-the-mill stuff,   their prices and service can't be beat.

This is the second time I ordered from them.  The first time, among other
misc. stuff, I got a cheap 3-piece gage set (like $20) just for the hell of
it.   While obviuosly not of stewart warner quality, these gages "look"
very nice in that the lettering fonts and appearance complement a 70
cutlass dasboard much better than the cheezey looking garish (IMHO) suntune
stuff I usually see at pep boys.  It turned out that the temp gage did not
work out of the box.  They sent me a free replacement with no hassles.

Check these guys out.  You can order a free catalog over the web.

hans

Mitzm@mail.earthlink.net

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:55:58 -0800
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: 50 OLDS FOR SALE

I got the following notice regarding an Olds for sale.  Reply privately to
the sellers e-mail: philjens@erols.com

1950 Oldsmobile Futuramic 4-door sedan 

****ORIGINAL DOCUMENTS INCLUDE: sales invoice, purchase order/special order
invoice, owner's manual, 1950 Dealer sales booklet, ORIGINAL BUILD SHEET,
etc...
ALL NUMBERS MATCH ALL DOCUMENTATION.... 

MUCH MORE TO GO WITH CAR: 
Some NOS parts still in original packaging 
1950 reproduction Olds shop manual ($90 value!) 
ORIGINAL 1950 Water Leak Diagnositics Shop Manual...etc... 

Olds rocket V8, with only 63,XXX ORIGINAL MILES (have to look at odometer for
exact mileage). RUNS EXCELLENT! 
Automatic transmission 
Approx. 85-90% restored 

Needs: weatherstripping, interior reupholstered, shocks 

Car is tagged "NJ HISTORIC". 
GARAGE KEPT. 
Some NOS parts in original packages 
Still retains original 6 volt electrical system... 

MANY $$$ Invested into car and MANY, MANY items have been replaced/rebuilt. 

ALL CHROME IS 110% EXCELLENT!! 

Right now, passenger side rear brake cylinder is bad. Have NO MORE TIME, or
MONEY to invest in car. We are looking to purchase a house, and this car
MUST GO
ASAP!!!!! 

Please someone give it a good home!!! Please email for COMPLETE
information, and
possibly more pics. GREAT INVESTMENT for the upcoming millenium!! 

We are asking BEST OFFER OVER $5800! Insurance appraised at $10,000 due to
classical value and extensive documentation. 

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 00:17:00 -0600 (CST)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: RE: 455 w/overdrive?

I negected to add, the 4L80E comes only in the heavy trucks/suburbans.
I suppose adapter plates could join one to an olds, but have no
experience doing so.

Jeff Carter
blue442@webtv.net

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:22:02 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Th200-R4 in Chevy Truck LONG

In a message dated 1/15/99 9:01:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, igor455@home.com
writes:

<< I really need a truck.  So, since Olds never built one I can have the next
 best thing.  A Chevy short-box with Olds power.  I would like to put my
 Regency drive-train in the truck for beginning and later put a bigger olds
 and Th350.  I know about the motor stuff, but what about the 200-4R in
 trucks.  I figure that a Th400 cross-member  would work and I would have to
 get a custom drive-shaft, but that should not be a problem.  What about
 linkage or floor clearance.  I figure it should all be really easy.  Also,
 what headers might work with Olds motor in Chevy truck. Just out of
 curiosity, did they make headers for Disels, and of course particularly that
 350 Olds disel.  Thanks.  Igor >>

      Igor, I think your problem may come if you need a 2WD or 4WD. A 2WD
conversion should be quite easy. A 4wd, due to the transfer case adapter, may
be prohibitively expensive. Don't worry about the crossmember. On the earlier
('73-80) Chev trucks, there are usually so many holes down there you should be
able to get something to line up, and if not, it is a very small matter to
drill into the frame to relocate the crossmember (went through that on an '81
K5 frame, essentially smae as any GM Full Size truck) 
     I would be surprised if the linkage isn't in the same place on the
700-R4, so the column shift shouldn't be a problem there, just make sure the
truck was an original 700-R4. I WOULD be skeptical of using a 200-4R in a
truck though...the potential of seriously overloading that trans is very real
in a truck. Thats why the 700-R4 was never used in a HD application until much
later..they just couldn't handle it. (and even then the really HD trucks used
a 3L80 or 4L80E) A TH400 would be the way to go IMO. 
     A good idea would be to go to a wrecking yard, and find one that had been
converted from diesel to gas, or was still diesel, and get the driveshaft off
of it (although short bed may be a bit of a problem) I would be interested to
know if the overall length of the Olds motor and TH400 are any different than
a Chev motor/TH400 combo..I'm guessing there is enough to make a direct bolt
in impossible.....but really, since the Olds motor was used in them, it is
likely quite easy to change over. Dorian

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:34:03 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dream on !!!! non -Olds ,falcons broncos???????

Viking vs Broncos!!   Vikings win by at least 14!!!!!  My choice anyway.


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>At 09:29 PM 1/15/1999 EST, you wrote:
>>In a message dated 1/15/99 12:43:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>KarlAune@aol.com
>>writes:
>>
>><< 
>> Keep warm.
>> (Looking forward to the Falcons-Broncos Bowl!)
>>  >>
>>You mean JETS falcons................
>>J - E - T - S  JETS JETS JETS !!!!!!!
>>
>>Bernie 67, 86 442
>
>Dahahahah,    Minnesota!
>
>Jeff
>
>>
>>
>


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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 22:39:11 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Where have all the Rally Packs gone?

I think you are sadly mistaken.  I can probably count all the rally pac 
equiped cars I have EVER seen on one hand.   They seem to be few and FAR 
between.  I have been looking for a complete set for years.


>	With all the hundreds of thousands Cutlasses, 442's, etc. that were 
built
>between 1970-72, how come there are very few Rally Packs to be had? Are 
they
>all sitting in junkyards? You would think that one out of five cars had 
to
>have one in them, but nobody seams to have them, and if they do, they 
want an
>arm and a leg for 'em. Any thought?
>Jim McKeague
>1970 Rallye 350 (rally-packless)
>1970 Cutlass W-31 


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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 02:27:48 EST
From: CUTLASS442@aol.com
Subject: Re: needs

I have an 850 DP but..................its going on top of my Oldsmobuick
motor.........sorry.


Richard
1967 "Oldsmobuick" Cutlass
Cutlass442@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 02:33:45 EST
From: CUTLASS442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Tips for Headliner installation

In a message dated 1/15/99 7:29:12 PM Pacific Standard Time, DROLDS350@aol.com
writes:

<< Any tips on how to get the rods out? >>

Assuming they are the same as my '67 the rods are held in the middle by
plastic clips which are positioned down the middle of the roof. The ends of
the rods go into holes along the sides of the roof. They come right out of the
holes and then you can unclip them from the clips.

I haven't replaced my headliner yet. So I can't help much with putting it back
in.


Richard
1967 "Oldsmobuick" Cutlass
Cutlass442@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:20:58 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: speedo error

>Here's an idea...try a tranny repair shop.  Or maybe I'll ask at the one
>my Olds is at right now.  I should be picking it up next week, I'll ask
>them if they know (if no one has solved the problem by then).


I did.  They told me that they can get me the parts but don't know which
ones I need.  Basically, they told me to find out the color I need and then
order it.  Duhh.  BUT, I do have the original speedo gear out of the TH350
that was in the car with the rear-end.  It is cream in color, I will count
the teeth tomorrow.  If I get the same amount of teeth for the Th400, would
that work as well.  I believe that my TH400 has a blue speedo gear.

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 03:23:44 -0500
From: "jlabay" <jlabay@neo.rr.com>
Subject: 80 Olds carb question

I just had the carb on my 80 Olds 442 rebuilt to factory specs.  Anything
special I should do when putting it back on besides bolting it down and
hooking up the hoses? This is the first time I have ever had a carb rebuilt
and attempting to put it back on.  Anyone know the proper torque specs on
the carb bolts? I got 3 days to get the carb back on and the steering box
back on in prep for the local AutoRama :-) Thanks

Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio
98 C2500
94 Caprice 9C1 LT1
88 GTA LS1
80 Olds 442 W-30

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:46:05 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Tips for Headliner installation

I haven't done this for a while and I forget how to get the bows
out, I thought they just flexed enough to remove them.

I had to clean the contact cement off that the previous person had
used to hold a replacement liner in :( and the job was not perfect
but with a little more patience it could have been.

This worked for me:
I put the hot glue from a gun on the top side of the lip, grabbed
the fabric, pulled everything tight, and wrapped the edge around
onto the hot glue.  Then I just needed to stand there burning my
fingers until the glue was cool enough to hold the liner tight.  If
there was a wrinkle I used a screwdriver to work the liner back off,
I'd clean off the glue, and then re do it.  After it was in I
trimmed the excess off with a razor knife.

This didn't work for me:
In order to determine where to cut the dome light hole my
father-in-law measured the width of the liner and divided it in 2 to
determine the center.  When we went to install the liner the cut
didn't seem to be in the correct place.  Father-in-law gets a funny
look on his face and asks "54 divided by 2 is 22 isn't it" ahhhh
sh*****t!  Nice straight 3" cut in the brand new headliner:(

There is probably better ways to do it then using a hot glue gun but
we found that it held well and set up fast but was easy to break
loose to work out wrinkles and sags.  And triple check those
measurements before you cut!

Good luck.

DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
> 
>         Can anybody offer any tips on installing tips on a 1970 Cutlass S? 
The
> interior is gutted along w/ both windshields removed. I am starting to take
> the old headliner down. Any tips on how to get the rods out? I am sure 
someone
> out there has done this, and I have to believe that this will be easier with
> the interior out. If anyone can offer and h*lp or suggestions I would
> appreciate it!

- -- 
Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 01:51:10 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: 9000 rpm Aurora/Northstar

> After driving a 97 Cadillac STS (300 hp NorthStar), and watching in rev at
> 7100 rpm, and hold it without ANY signs of complaint

Yes, I can attest to that.  I taped an incedent involving the original (or one
of the original) Northstar prototypes, involving a WOT run, lasting as long as
the engine allowed.  It popped up around 6500 where the rev-limiter kicked in,
and was held there, no load, no radiator, on the stand, for more than half an
hour, when the water hose popped (it just connected in and out of water pump,
nothing fancy.)  It knocked a sensor out, and stalled the motor.  Plugged it
back in and ran it wide open for about another 45 minutes.  It finally died 
when
the crank sensor had melted and could no longer accurately detect crank
revolutions.  Bearings were heated up pretty good, oil stunk like hell, but
there was no noticable scoring, and everything was still free.  We figured a 
new
set of bearings would have allowed another 100K on that motor...  Very
impressive, indeed.  

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:07:38 -0500
From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis@metrobankandtrust.com>
Subject: Re: Resto shop in Cleveland

I also live in the Cleveland area and in the Yellow Pages under Automobile
Restoration-Antique & Classic there are two that could be mistaken for the
shop in question.  They are Classic Cars Autobody..440-232-7726 or
Restorations Classic Connection..216-575-9990.  When I had my 68' 442 body
work done, it was done at Danny's Custom Touch..440-944-1175.  He did a
great job at a fair price.  I had the body taken down to metal and rust
areas cut out and replaced with metal.  He did a detailed job and wasn't
satisfied until I was.  I also had all of my chrome and stainless redone
here in Cleveland by Custome Polishing and Chrome.  The interior was also
redone with new door panels, carpet, seat covers, package tray, and
headliner by Doctor Dennis Upholstry..216-541-0237.  My 68' is almost
there.  I just need to detail the "hard" areas.  The trunk and engine
compartments.

					Mike Davis
					68' 442

- ----------
> From: OLDS44272@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Resto shop in Cleveland
> Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 11:27 PM
> 
> In a message dated 1/15/99 8:24:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> SemantanaC@tce.com writes:
> 
> << Hi all,
>  I got an email the other day from an individual in Cleveland, OH, Scott
>  Branch if I recall, I do remember it was Scott B.  Anyway, when he
signed
>  the message, under his name was Classic Auto Restoration.  I'm just
>  wondering if anyone has heard of this place and if so what have they
heard?
>  Thanks.
>  
>  Chris (slowly searching for resto shops) Smetana
>  Terre Haute, IN >>
>      
>     Chris,
>  i live in Cleveland, Ohio. I didn't se a listing for Classic Auto
Restoration
> in the Business phone book.  I haven't needed any major work done to my
Olds
> to require the assistance of a resto shop. The few Olds  friends i have
have
> no information on a Scott Branch...............Scott ( yes a different
Scott!!
> : )

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:22:21 EST
From: MFATZII@aol.com
Subject: Re: You're kidding, right

I wasn't going to say anything because we all have seen some wierd stuff out
there, but now I have to.  The car I saw the other day was a Vega wagon on a
blazer frame, seen it before, no big deal , but hen I saw it again yesterday
with a snow plow......craziness....wish I had my camera.......

Ryan (MFatzII@aol.com)
Lincoln,  Nebraska
<<Turn it on, Wind it up, Blow it out, OLDS-MO-BILE>>

56 88 4dr Sedan  (Project Rocket) 
<A HREF="http://www.mergetel.com/~lee/cutlass/rides/wieders2/">Click here</A>
83 Cutlass Supreme Brougham 307(RIP)
85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham V-6(girlfriend's)
89 Chevy Beretta CL (Ryan's  a.k.a   pool shark)

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:36:50 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 80 Olds carb question

From: jlabay <jlabay@neo.rr.com>
>
  Anyone know the proper torque specs on
>the carb bolts?

Something like 10-12 ft lbs, which ain't much. The carb is aluminum and can
be warped by over tightening. Other than that, "Assembly is the reverse
order of disassembly".

drc

p.s. If you have a paper cartridge fuel filter, make sure it goes in the
right way.

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:35:33 EST
From: Ramrod442@aol.com
Subject: Re: needs

go to the junk yards and start looking

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:34:30 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Towing

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John,

The rear end change is your best bet.  Likely candidates are the '80-'83 =
98 and Electra with the 4.1 V6 (3.23) or the '84 and '85 Cadillacs with =
the infamous 4100 (3.42).  The 3.42 may have been in the '82 and '83 =
Cadillacs as well, but I do not have a reference to confirm this.  Other =
choices would be late '80s RWD Cadillacs with towing (rated at 5,000 =
pounds from '88 to '90 with a 307 Olds) or possibly big station wagons =
with the tow package.  Chevy 9C1 (Police) Caprices also tend to have =
decent ratios, but these are often beat by the time they are junked. =20

I doubt the dual exhaust will gain much real world power with the 307.  =
The stock system does not flow that badly on the 350 and smaller =
engines. A less restrictive (or no) catalyst would probably help, =
depending on where you live with respect to emissions.

Regards,
Fred

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Jonathan Hart <jehart@RTelco.Net>
    To: Oldsmobile Link <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
    Date: Friday, January 15, 1999 10:17 PM
    Subject: Towing
   =20
   =20
    Thanks for the info on the 700-r4 Greg. The 307 with the factory =
gear in my 83 98 really hurts at highway speed lugging around my 20 foot =
pontoon boat. I am going to put dual exhaust and flowmasters and change =
the factory 2.73 gear to a 3.42 or 3.73. Has anyone put a 3.73 in this =
application? I am curious about the tack speed in normal drive at 60 =
mph.
    =20
    Thanks, Jon Hart
    1983 98
    1972 Chevelle
    1998 Malibu
    1990 Mustang Convertible

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The rear end change is your best bet.&nbsp; Likely =
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Cadillacs with the infamous 4100 (3.42).&nbsp; The 3.42 may have been in =
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this.&nbsp;=20
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5,000=20
pounds from '88 to '90 with a 307 Olds) or possibly big station wagons =
with the=20
tow package.&nbsp; Chevy 9C1 (Police) Caprices also tend to have decent =
ratios,=20
but these are often beat by the time they are junked.&nbsp; =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>I doubt the dual exhaust will gain much real world =
power with=20
the 307.&nbsp; The stock system does not flow that badly on the 350 and =
smaller=20
engines. A less restrictive (or no) catalyst would probably help, =
depending on=20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Fred</FONT></DIV>
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    flowmasters and change the factory 2.73 gear to a 3.42 or 3.73. Has =
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    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>Thanks, Jon Hart</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>1983 98</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>1972 Chevelle</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>1998 Malibu</FONT></DIV>
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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:34:56 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Resto shop in Cleveland

Got an email again last night from him.  It's Scott Bunch and he owns
Classic Auto Restoration in Cleveland, OH.  Said in his email he specializes
in 66-67 GTOs.  I'm gonna ask for his phone number so I can give him a call.
Thanks Scott (the Scott who replied :)

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

> ----------
> From: 	OLDS44272@aol.com[SMTP:OLDS44272@aol.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Friday, January 15, 1999 11:27 PM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Resto shop in Cleveland
> 
> In a message dated 1/15/99 8:24:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> SemantanaC@tce.com writes:
> 
> << Hi all,
>  I got an email the other day from an individual in Cleveland, OH, Scott
>  Branch if I recall, I do remember it was Scott B.  Anyway, when he signed
>  the message, under his name was Classic Auto Restoration.  I'm just
>  wondering if anyone has heard of this place and if so what have they
> heard?
>  Thanks.
>  
>  Chris (slowly searching for resto shops) Smetana
>  Terre Haute, IN >>
>      
>     Chris,
>  i live in Cleveland, Ohio. I didn't se a listing for Classic Auto
> Restoration
> in the Business phone book.  I haven't needed any major work done to my
> Olds
> to require the assistance of a resto shop. The few Olds  friends i have
> have
> no information on a Scott Branch...............Scott ( yes a different
> Scott!!
> : )
> 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:38:16 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: ignition coil grounding..

From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>


>John,
>Perhaps you are an E.E. but I didn't know the secondary winding was
>grounded internally,

It's not...and that's not what John said...

> I always thought that would cause a short and you
>would bleed off the voltage induced in the secondary winding when the
>primary magnetic field collapsed

Right.

> I always believed the ground for the secondary circuit
>was the the spark plug firing to the engine ground.

Right again.

>Since I am no E.E.,
>could damn sure be wrong!


I am, and I can say you're both right. John's point was that the ignition
coil only has three terminals, because one end of the secondary winding is
internally connected to one end of the primary side. This is called an
autotransformer configuration. High voltage current flows out of the coil
top, through the plug, to engine ground. It returns to the coil secondary
through the battery and assorted bypass capacitance.

The case of every coil I've seen is electrically isolated from the windings,
so it can be grounded or not, with no difference in operation. And as John
pointed out, doing so may cause the case to act as a shield for EMI which
could reduce radio interference. Judging by the response of MSD's tech guy,
their coils may be different, I dunno.

drc

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:04:48 EST
From: Ramrod442@aol.com
Subject: Re:can i put a ford 9'' in my 65 vist cruzer?

i'm really shure about how to go about this project.but i would like to put a
ford 9'' in my 65 vista cruzer with a set of 3.73 to 1 gears i have a th400
w/455 thats hot and the extra strengh of a 9'' would be nice .how would i do
this? 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 18:04:07 +0100
From: "Trond Pedersen" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: SV: 9000 rpm Olds

> 1500? I dont think so, the aurora is under 4.5litre, i dont think you can
get
> that much


Every thing is posible as long as you have mony
(a lot of mony)'


Trond-Jarle 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:24:12 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: WANTED: Oldsmobile Commercial (fwd)

> I'm looking for old Radio- or TV-commercials featuring Oldsmobile cars.
> The Belgian Public Broadcasting Company VRT would like to use the sound
> in one of it's programs.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Frank Segers
> VRT - International Relations

FYI, this is being sent to the Olds List and Frank Segers.

Try going to the following link:
http://www.442.com/multi.html

There are a few old commercials you can download as well as a link to
the RE Olds museum to purchase the tape.  I have the 1961-1974 tape
which is 3 hours long!  You should definately be able to find what you
need on it.

Good Luck

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
OCA# 30442

*****************************************************
* visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
*****************************************************

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:31:29 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: can i put a ford 9'' in my 65 vist cruzer?

I thought 65 Vista "Bruisers" came with a heavy duty rear compared to the
Cutlass and 442s of that year...check into that first... there is a few shops
that make 9 inch rears for "A" bodys and they are always listed in all the
popular magazines....
                                         Hot Rod Harry from NJ

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:38:57 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re:can i put a ford 9'' in my 65 vist cruzer?

i'm really shure about how to go about this project.but i would like to put
a
ford 9'' in my 65 vista cruzer with a set of 3.73 to 1 gears i have a th400
w/455 thats hot and the extra strengh of a 9'' would be nice .how would i
do
this?
___________

Write a check for, oh, $1200 to Moser or Currie.  Phone numbers in the back
of Hot Rod et al.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:00:41 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Where have all the Rally Packs gone?

 	With all the hundreds of thousands Cutlasses, 442's, etc. that were 
built
> between 1970-72, how come there are very few Rally Packs to be had? Are
they
> all sitting in junkyards? You would think that one out of five cars had
to
> have one in them, but nobody seams to have them, and if they do, they
want an
> arm and a leg for 'em. Any thought?
> Jim McKeague
> 1970 Rallye 350 (rally-packless)
> 1970 Cutlass W-31 


I would have to guess there are people who are stock piling certain OLDS
parts.  Maybe to help drive up the value, maybe to help create a bigger
demand.  But I do know of people who are doing similar things with other
parts, so it wouldn't amaze me if someone is doing it with Rallye Packs.
A few years ago i had 8 sets, the average price I would find them for was
around $200 a set.  Now I can't find them and if I do I have to pay close
to $450 a set.

Just my opinion.

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:01:13 EST
From: CUTLASS442@aol.com
Subject: Re: can i put a ford 9'' in my 65 vist cruzer?

I believe Art Morrison Enterprises also has bolt in units made for GM A-
Bodies. Not sure of the price though. I can't find my catalog at the moment.

Richard
1967 "Oldsmobuick" Cutlass
Cutlass442@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 12:14:04 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Re:can i put a ford 9'' in my 65 vist cruzer?

This swap would be the same as a 65 Cutlass.  Your best bet, cost wise,
is to find a local shop that does custom frame work.  Finding a 9" the same
width would save you the money of having it narrowed and resplining axles.
The lower mounts are fairly easy as basically all you have to do is cut them
off one rearend and weld them on the other.  The upper mounts are a bit
more difficult since there are no brackets.  The solution is simple though.
A piece of gusseted 1/8" plate steel with the correct sized bung welded in
for the bushing will work fine as long as it is angled correctly.  The nice
thing
is that you can go ahead and move the upper mount higher to accomplish
the same thing as the aftermarket "hop stop" bars.  There are a couple
different ways to go with it but a good shop that narrows rearends will be
able to get you want you want for less than some of the big places like
Currie.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

>i'm really shure about how to go about this project.but i would like to put
a
>ford 9'' in my 65 vista cruzer with a set of 3.73 to 1 gears i have a th400
>w/455 thats hot and the extra strengh of a 9'' would be nice .how would i
do
>this?
>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 10:42:46 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Where have all the Rally Packs gone?

- ---DROLDS350@aol.com wrote:
>
> 	With all the hundreds of thousands Cutlasses, 442's, etc. that were
built
> between 1970-72, how come there are very few Rally Packs to be had?
Are they
> all sitting in junkyards? You would think that one out of five cars
had to
> have one in them, but nobody seams to have them, and if they do,
they want an
> arm and a leg for 'em. Any thought?
> Jim McKeague
> 1970 Rallye 350 (rally-packless)
> 1970 Cutlass W-31 
=====================================================
Jim,

I do have an extra rally-pack sitting at my parents place. (Along with
my other spare parts.) I do know that the vinal on it had been ripped
off about in the middle. That's why I replaced it. There are 2 small
feet marks where the vinal was removed. (Probably came from one of
those little guys with the big, sticky, feet.) I don't know how much
it would cost to have it recovered or even what one would go for! Just
wanted to let ya know that there is one out there that could be used.

Del
==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:47:50 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: 80 Olds carb question

In a message dated 1/16/99 12:24:59 AM Pacific Standard Time,
jlabay@neo.rr.com writes:

<< I just had the carb on my 80 Olds 442 rebuilt to factory specs.  Anything
 special I should do when putting it back on besides bolting it down and
 hooking up the hoses? This is the first time I have ever had a carb rebuilt
 and attempting to put it back on.  Anyone know the proper torque specs on
 the carb bolts? I got 3 days to get the carb back on and the steering box
 back on in prep for the local AutoRama :-) Thanks >>

      One piece of advice: DO NOT use a ft-lbs torque wrench to tighten
something like these up. I have stripped out a bolt that was 18 ft-lbs trying
to use one. I just gave up on it and used "hand tight". I know it's not
precise, but I know I won't strip it out either. An Inch Lb torque wrench
would be correct for those low ft-lb jobs I think.  Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 13:44:35 -0600
From: Eric & Rosi & Jonathon <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: A really cool two-tone paint job on a driver car

http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/copper.shtml



Check out this seriously cool two-tone paint



In light of driver/trailer car discussions, this is definitely on the

driver side of the fence, yet still everything's clean and working, +
it's in better shape then when I got it, and I saved it from the
crusher, and have put over 8,000 miles on it



Eric



http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:13:44 -0600
From: Ike <tiger80@linknet.net>
Subject: '71 Olds ID

Hello, folks.  I called about an ad in a local trader newspaper for a '71
Cutlass f/s.  I couldn't talk to the owner until later, but a friend went
ou to the car and got the VIN off of the dash.  It is 33687IRI4686.  He
wasn't sure if the two I's are 1's or not, but otherwise was pretty sure.
He said the owner had the engine, tranny and front end rebuilt and is blue
interior and exterior.  Claims it is a 455 ci and runs like a top.  Good
shape but a small "ding" in driver's side front next to the hood and a
couple of "slats" missing on the grille.  I looked at the tech info at
442.com but could not tell from the VIN if this is a factory 455 car.  I
didn't see any "I" code (or "R" for that matter).  Did he get the body
number off the door plate?  From the way he described the car it is a "S",
not a Supreme, but I'm wondering if it is a 442 (with the body code
"wrong") or even if the original engine was a 455.  He wants $3500 OBO, so
I figure it's worth checking on, but I have to drive about 60 miles, so I'd
like to make sure it's not been altered significantly before I drive over.  

Any help appreciated.  I'm an Oldsless OCA member but working hard to
remedy the situation!

Ike

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:21:37 -0500
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: driver side window off track

Hello to all!!!


Any know how on the list to help me fix my drivers side door and window? The
window is very hard to roll up and seems to see-saw inside the car door.
Also the inside door handle no longer will open the door. I expect something
inside disconnected. Am i right???

AAron  

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 15:53:41 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: '71 Olds ID

Ike wrote:
> 
> Hello, folks.  I called about an ad in a local trader newspaper for a '71
> Cutlass f/s.  I couldn't talk to the owner until later, but a friend went
> ou to the car and got the VIN off of the dash.  It is 33687IRI4686.  

Sounds like a 71 Cutlass S, two door hard top, and those are 1's, not
I's.  The first "1" designates the year, which in this case would be
71.  The "R" is for Arlington, TX assembly plant, and the 14686 would
seem a bit odd, since there were 6, not 5 numbers in the sequential
serial #.  I think your friend skipped a number somewhere. (first car
was 100001)

From what I can gather, only TWO kinds of A-body Oldses had 455s.  That
would be the 442 and the Cutlass SX, which is a supreme designation.

There you go.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 14:11:15 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: '71 Olds ID

from Drew's VIN decoder at http://members.aol.com/drewinva/vin/

3=Olds
3687=Cutlass V-8 "S" Holiday Coupe
1=1971
R=built in Arlington, TX
14686=Assembly Number

I would guess that this is the VIN off of the dash and your friend
just recorded I's for 1's.  I know diddly about those new fangled
cars but there are separate codes for the 442's so this VIN would be
correct for a S but not a 442.  Sorry.

Could you have your friend take another look at the car and get
additional information like the casting code from the block, body
codes, and maybe even take it for a drive? 

Good luck.

Ike wrote:
> 
> Hello, folks.  I called about an ad in a local trader newspaper for a '71
> Cutlass f/s.  I couldn't talk to the owner until later, but a friend went
> ou to the car and got the VIN off of the dash.  It is 33687IRI4686.  He
> wasn't sure if the two I's are 1's or not, but otherwise was pretty sure.
> He said the owner had the engine, tranny and front end rebuilt and is blue
> interior and exterior.  Claims it is a 455 ci and runs like a top.  Good
> shape but a small "ding" in driver's side front next to the hood and a
> couple of "slats" missing on the grille.  I looked at the tech info at
> 442.com but could not tell from the VIN if this is a factory 455 car.  I
> didn't see any "I" code (or "R" for that matter).  Did he get the body
> number off the door plate?  From the way he described the car it is a "S",
> not a Supreme, but I'm wondering if it is a 442 (with the body code
> "wrong") or even if the original engine was a 455.  He wants $3500 OBO, so
> I figure it's worth checking on, but I have to drive about 60 miles, so I'd
> like to make sure it's not been altered significantly before I drive over.
> 
> Any help appreciated.  I'm an Oldsless OCA member but working hard to
> remedy the situation!
> 
> Ike

- -- 
Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:20:44 EST
From: Juz440@aol.com
Subject: (no subject)

Can anyone help.  I am looking for a YELLOW convertible top for a 67 442.
Even a source for someone with just the canvass for the top would be great so
I can have it made up.

Thanks
Bob Juzwiak
New Jersey

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:23:10 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)

YELLOW?

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:29:43 EST
From: Juz440@aol.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)

Or they call it Safron

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 17:55:33 -0500
From: Rebel1 <rebel1@raex.com>
Subject: Re: Towing

Unfortunately it's a SBC, but the car originally came with a 231 and TH350C - I
swapped over the motor and trans from a ex-caprice cop car the gears and posi
unit are factory pieces out of an '88 S-10.  I used the original trans cross
member - but had to elongate the mounting slot and had to use the forward most
mount location on the trans.  I also had to shorten the drive shaft about 3.5"
if memory serves me.  I'm currently helping a buddy of mine put a similar set 
up
in his '85 Regal - except it has a big block Buick for motivation.  - we're 
just
using an adapter plate / kit (longer bolts, etc.)  Over all it's a fairly 
simple
install, the is more than enough room in the trans tunnel, the only headache is
shortening the drive shaft.
Todd Daenzer
All the toys put away for the winter....
Also as an added note you will need to set up a switch for the lock up torque
convertor as your '80 most like is noncomputerized....

R. Grant wrote:

> I was wondering what engine you have in the 83 is it SBC or SBO as I have a
> 80 Cutlass with a 307 and a 3.73. Now have to add an OD tranie so that I can
> take it on the highway revs at 3200 at about 100KM or 60 MPH Was it hard to
> put in or was it almost a bolt in item.?
>
> Thanks
> Kevin Grant
> 80 Cutlass Supreme
>
> >Have a similar setup in my '83 Cutlass - 700R4 with 3.73's turns 2500 at
> >60 with 255/60/15's on it...
> >Todd Daenzer
> >All the toys put away for the winter...
> >
> >Jonathan Hart wrote:
> >
> >>  Thanks for the info on the 700-r4 Greg. The 307 with the factory gear
> >> in my 83 98 really hurts at highway speed lugging around my 20 foot
> >> pontoon boat. I am going to put dual exhaust and flowmasters and
> >> change the factory 2.73 gear to a 3.42 or 3.73. Has anyone put a 3.73
> >> in this application? I am curious about the tack speed in normal drive
> >> at 60 mph. Thanks, Jon Hart1983 981972 Chevelle1998 Malibu1990 Mustang
> >> Convertible
> >
> >
> >

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:38:57 -0500
From: "Chris Costantino" <chrisc@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Ralley Pac Question

Hi everyone -
I have a question about the 70-72 ralley pac. I'm swapping out the idiot
lights and the clock and I need to know how to wire the tach portion. I
don't want to make a mistake and cook the tach!

Any help is GREATLY appreciated!

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Date: Fri, 15 Jan 1999 18:38:57 -0500
From: "Chris Costantino" <chrisc@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: Interior Question

OK - I've just painted the car - and I mean painted! No interior, no glass.
My problem is this - over the cars life someone replaced various pieces of
the interior. I have a mixture of different browns - from very dark (seats)
to very light (almost tan - dash). I should remember this, but my painter
primed anything that is metal. What color is the steel portion of the dash
(the portion that runs on top, from underneath the dash pad to the
windshield? I'm going to stay somewhere in the brown family. I like the
Sienna color. Additionally if someone could forward Brown/Sienna/Tan
interior (offlist) pictures, I would very much appreciate it!

thanks....

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 18:55:49 -0500
From: "Mick Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: 384 in a 79 Cut;lass???

Just received this from my WebPage. Please respond directly to Dave, if you
can help. Karl???

I own a 79 Cutlass 2dr.with a 260V8.I am interested in doing an engine
swap,I have a 394 big block out of a 62 or 63 "Starfire".Any info that you
or other "Olds Nuts"might have,would be greatly appreciated. I am also
interested in any performance mods. or tips you might have for this engine.
As far as I have learned this engine is basically a debored 455.Is this
true. Thanks Dave Estok, Burnaby, B.C. bigwave@intergate.bc.ca
==============================================
Mick Gillespie, Melbourne, FL
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/sprynet/mgillespie/oldspage.htm
==============================================

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Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 18:50:25 -0500
From: Jonathan Hart <jehart@RTelco.Net>
Subject: Fw: Towing

- -----Original Message-----
From: R Grant <kgrant442@home.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, January 16, 1999 12:01 AM
Subject: Re: Towing


>I was wondering what engine you have in the 83 is it SBC or SBO as I have a
>80 Cutlass with a 307 and a 3.73. Now have to add an OD tranie so that I
can
>take it on the highway revs at 3200 at about 100KM or 60 MPH Was it hard to
>put in or was it almost a bolt in item.?
>
>Thanks
>Kevin Grant
>80 Cutlass Supreme
>
>
>>Have a similar setup in my '83 Cutlass - 700R4 with 3.73's turns 2500 at
>>60 with 255/60/15's on it...
>>Todd Daenzer
>>All the toys put away for the winter...
>>
>>Jonathan Hart wrote:
>>
>>>  Thanks for the info on the 700-r4 Greg. The 307 with the factory gear
>>> in my 83 98 really hurts at highway speed lugging around my 20 foot
>>> pontoon boat. I am going to put dual exhaust and flowmasters and
>>> change the factory 2.73 gear to a 3.42 or 3.73. Has anyone put a 3.73
>>> in this application? I am curious about the tack speed in normal drive
>>> at 60 mph. Thanks, Jon Hart1983 981972 Chevelle1998 Malibu1990 Mustang
>>> Convertible
>>
>
My 98 has a 307. I put a new Target Master in it 6,000 miles ago replacing
the still running 288,000 mile unit.
With the price of Tahoes and Expeditions now using a full sized car makes
sense. I have been using this car as a tow vehicle for several years but I
am trying to get more power out of it. Summit has 3.73 or 3.42 gears for the
7.5 inch 10 bolt rear end. I am leaning towards the 3.73 but I don't want
the engine to over-rev pulling at highway speeds in 3rd gear. The thm-200-4r
cannot pull in O/D.

I love to see an older car pulling trailers. With a family trucks are not
practical for the long trips to the coast with the boat in tow. Here in
North Carolina teh weather was almost 60 today. Boating season starts in
March. Get the toys out, no salt on the roads in the Piedmont of NC!--I saw
convertibles with the tops down today!

Jon

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