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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, February 4 1999     Volume 01 : Number 1752



Re: 70-72 Rear-view mirror piece
Oldsmobile History Center
Fender Brace
Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers
Nashville
Re: Black Oil
Re: olds history center
Re: Web page updated( and 'ol Joe!)
Re: New Guy
Re: olds history center
Re: New Guy
RE: Sid "Groundhog" Viscious
Re: Eastwood Co
Re: New Hot Rod
Re: Black Oil
Re: olds history center
Re: olds history center
442 Stripes
Language.
Re: Got the 455 Performer
Re: Black Oil
Re: 69 Olds Cutlass hi from dixie
Re: Seat belt question
Checking Back In, Stealth Mode
Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers
T-tops question
Exhaust Crossover
Re: Engine Builder
Re: Language.
Re: Web page updated (WOW!!)
Re: T-tops question
Re: Fastest Oldsmobile Powered Car Alive?
Re: Exhaust Crossover
Re: olds history center
Re: Exhaust Crossover
Re: Web page updated
Re: Resurfacing Cylinder head intake mating surface.
Re: Nashville
web page
Re: Headers Real Benefit
Re: Black Oil
Re: New Hot Rod
The Vertical Challenge (Was Re: 70-72 Buckets)
Re: Black Oil
Re: New Hot Rod
Just thinking
FOR SALE
Re: Distributor Info: (was: Re: need distributor info)
Re: web page
Re: Fender Brace
New Screen Saver
Re: Engine Builder
Re: FOR SALE
Seats and windows
Re: web page
Body ID Plates.
Re: SX question
Re: Web page updated (WOW!!)
Re: Nashville
Re: More 455 Head IDs
Re: Performance improvements of 1 Vs 3 angle valve job.
Re: Body ID Plates.
RE: Advice
Re: Black Oil
Re: Black Oil
Re: Language.
Intake Manifold Install
Re: T-tops question
Re: T-tops question
A.I.R. Manifold availability?
need help
Re: Body work HORROR story + PLEASE Help W/Sheetmetal!
Thanks for the Advice
Re: Got the 455 Performer
Re: Body ID Plates.

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 19:53:47 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Re: 70-72 Rear-view mirror piece

Peter Landowski wrote:
> 
> I have a 72 convertible 442 and I have done a frame-up restoration on it. I
> am now in the process of  finishing it off. I can't find the metal bracket
> piece that holds the rearview mirrot. This piece holds the mirror in place
> and enables you to adjust the mirror. I can't find this piece in any
> catalog. Any help??
> 
> Pettrix@prodigy.net

Peter,
I may have a spare (or maybe I have 6 of them).  I'll check it out and
let you know.  If I do, you can have it.

- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
95 Aurora 
OCA# 30442

*****************************************************
* visit my home page at http://www.erols.com/old442 *
*****************************************************

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:51:32 -0500
From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis@metrobankandtrust.com>
Subject: Oldsmobile History Center

Jason Shreve wrote:
>Can't you do this by yourself?  You wouldn't have the letter head but
would have the >same info.  Correct?

The information might be the same but the added touches are what make this
very special.  Just got mine back today.  Per the letter, Only 1977 and
newer can you get a copy of the original invoice.  Mine is a 1968 442,
doesn't fall within the guidelines.
I got a letter that included the production numbers etc for the 1968 model;
it was typed and signed by Helen Early.  She also included a copy of the
1968 Oldsmobile Salesmen's Prices/Equipment Colors and
Trims/Specifications.  Two black and white photos of the 1968 442 and a
Reference Guide for the Oldsmobile Enthusiast.
It has various sources for information and dealers for parts or services. 
Also, a copy of the 1968 available items from Al & Bill Sandy; the best
when it comes to buying literature.  I fell it was worth the 15.  It would
have been great to get a copy of the original invoice; but I will have to
try other means to locate that.

					Mike Davis
					68' 442

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:02:55 -0600
From: "72Hurst" <72hurst@net-email.com>
Subject: Fender Brace

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with the 455. I have the passenger side, but somewhere down the line the =
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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:04:59 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmail@webtv.net (mark sopp)
Subject: Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers

hey,if there is a dog chained up outside,its a junkyard.

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:11:54 -0500
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Nashville

List,

        Any members in Nashville - I
will be their next week..........

Tanks
The General

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:15:50 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Re: Black Oil

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I rarely complain about language used in these
emails, but this one is bad.  My 8 year old son
reads some of these emails, and I would prefer
not to have that language included.  If this is too
much to ask, sorry for the wasted email.

Kevin


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From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
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Subject: Black Oil
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Why does oil go black.  My 455 is new and it sits for a long time.  The oil
is starting to look darker and it smells a bit like fuel as well.  It burns
no oil (new motor) or anything abnormal.  Only one thing though.  That piece
of SHIT chrome dipstick I put in the car KEEPS flaking.  God damn it.  I put
a magnetic drain plug and I know when I pull it off it is going to be full
of crap from this dipstick.  HATE IT.  I am going to get my old 307 stick
and see if it fits.  However, I still have the base in chrome, so maybe that
is flaking as well.  This was my first motor and next time, the dip-stick
WILL get installed before the oil pan.  I was following the book too much,
so I have no idea how it looks like from underneath.  Damn it.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)


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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:14:48 EST
From: DrkSole96@aol.com
Subject: Re: olds history center

In a message dated 2/3/99 6:33:46 AM Central Standard Time,
mbloomer@mindspring.com writes:

<< Yes and no.  If you have a resource such as this list then you surely
 can decipher all the info.  It's just not the same as having the people
 that actually built the car "certify" the same info.  One of those things
 that's just nice to have because when you show it off, it gives you an
 air of credibility in front of your buddies (or anybody else).  Also, if
 you can't find your build sheet, this seems to be as close as your 
 going to come to "documentation" for your car.
  >>

You also get a copy of the dealer's option book, and a list of literature that
is for sale.

DrkSole96@aol.com
73 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 20:33:28 -0500
From: Gasman24 <stulk@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: Web page updated( and 'ol Joe!)

I just wanted to say that it should be illegal for one man to own that
many cool cars!
Well wait a min. there, mebby there should  be a law that every one
should own that many cool cars!
Joe all I can say is "YOU DA MAN!"
Later, Scott
> Ladies and Gentleman,
> With the permission of Joe Padavano I have posted some pictures of his on my
> web page.  Basically, Joe sent me some pics he had and I thought the list
> would enjoy them as well, so I threw together a web page.  It contains pics
> of his cars being loaded onto a truck for his move from CA to the DC area in
> 1987 and pictures of his exotic Olds intake manifolds.  Definitely
> recommended viewing, those intakes are cool!!!  and we get to see his fleet
> of vehicles.
> Point your browsers to
> http://www.abcs.com/chris/joe_p.htm
> or
> http://www.abcs.com/chris/   and click on Joe's name
> 
> Chris Smetana
> Terre Haute, IN
> http://www.abcs.com/chris/
> 
> 1969 W-31
> 1969 4-4-2 parts car
> plus others

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:13:50 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Guy

Sorry, that should have been Alex, not Eric.

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:09:19 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: olds history center

I've heard that records for all cars older than '73 were destroyed in a fire
or something many years back. Can anyone confirm or deny?  I'd like to get
some info on my 71...
Scott
71 442 Conv

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:13:25 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Guy

Good Luck Eric. You've got quite a project on your hands, but hang in there,
be patient, and take the advice from the guys on the list when you can get it.
It's an amazing source of info from an amazing bunch of folks.
Scott
71 442 conv.

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:34:56 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Sid "Groundhog" Viscious

Karl you bastard!  I didn't even know about them touring until it didn't
matter anymore.  I don't really pay attention anymore, but I still would
love to have gone to have fulfilled younger years' dreams...
I saw PIL in 92 and they played EMI, so that was pretty cool...

Um, is the Oldsmobile Crest really the 90th anniversary symbol?  So then
that means that an 85 Cutlass could not have such a hood ornament?

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of KarlAune@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 1:22 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Sid "Groundhog" Viscious


In a message dated 99-02-02 00:06:08 EST, you write:

<< And for anyone who cares, it's also the day that Sid Vicious died.  20
years
 today. >>

Karl does care and was not aware of that.
Sex Pistols (what is left) toured last year (allowed admittance to U.S.).
Karl saw.

John Lydonbetween songs:
     "You've waited twenty years, you can wait two fucking minutes!!! "

Far enough into the tour that they played pretty well.

Way cool.


K

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:30:45 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Eastwood Co

I also hit their site, with AOL 4.0, and had no problem...
Scott

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:40:34 EST
From: RocketChev@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Hot Rod

i have one that'll flip your skirt.A Malibu wagon with a 350 rocket and future
plans call for a 455.

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:44:49 -0800
From: "Tim Wurtz" <tropical@micron.net>
Subject: Re: Black Oil

I read the e-mail and didn't find anything too out of line here !!!!!
I do know that this child is exposed to alot more than three mild words
written on a computer screen. If he watches TV or goes to school there is
certainly more than this to look out for !!!!!!!!!! Just a Thought
Tim Wurtz
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From: Kevin D. Wood <Dr-Olds@webtv.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Black Oil


I rarely complain about language used in these
emails, but this one is bad.  My 8 year old son
reads some of these emails, and I would prefer
not to have that language included.  If this is too
much to ask, sorry for the wasted email.

Kevin

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:38:28 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: olds history center

I heard the same...either a fire or just didnt keep them. If thats true then
where did all the production numbers for 69 conv W30 4spds. and 70 W30s and 71
W30 4spd. post cars come from..if they have accurate figures on those cars and
a million others , then why cant they find out how many 1973
  455 4speed Cutlass "S" cars were made. I mean the engine code is right in
the VIN. the 5th digit is a "V" and that denotes a 455 4spd from the Olds
factory and if you have a 73 Hurst Olds it denotes that same 4spd motor in a
Hurst with a performance turbo 400 trans...come on OLDS get some more info out
there...its time!!! <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">
HotRodHarrys73Olds455/4speed</A> 

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:41:49 -0500
From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis@metrobankandtrust.com>
Subject: Re: olds history center

The only vehicles that can obtain copys of their invoice are 1977 and
newer.  I just got my info back today.  I have a 1968.
					Mike Davis
					68' 442

- ----------
> From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: olds history center
> Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 8:09 PM
> 
> I've heard that records for all cars older than '73 were destroyed in a
fire
> or something many years back. Can anyone confirm or deny?  I'd like to
get
> some info on my 71...
> Scott
> 71 442 Conv

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:44:16 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: 442 Stripes

Can anyone describe the side stripes that a 71 442 (non W-30) should have?
Are they the same as the W-30 (wide below narrow) or are they different and
how? Anyone know of any well-published photos?  All I ever see are the W-30's.
TIA

Scott
71 442 Conv.

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:52:00 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Language.

It's too bad that it has become so acceptable,
that's all.  The S word I have really no problem
with...
It's more the Shall not use- what was that name
in...  You get I'm sure, but that's a whole different email list now
isn't it.  So Bye.

Thanks

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 20:42:58 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Got the 455 Performer

Igor T. '81 DRB 455 wrote:

> other ones.  SO, since my stock Q-jet is hot-air chock, what do I have to do
> to get the chock not to kick in.  The Performer has no hot-air provision
> (you all know that), so how do I get it not to kick in at all.

You don't want any choke action at all?!  When I switched manifolds, mine 
didn't
have a provision for a hot air choke, either.  So, I just installed an OEM
electric choke element for my Q-Jet (it fits right in) and incorporated an OEM
choke relay.  I used a wiring diagram from a carbureted Olds Ciera with an
electric choke to wire it up.  My point is, you don't HAVE to go without your
choke.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 20:03:55 -0600
From: "72Hurst" <72hurst@net-email.com>
Subject: Re: Black Oil

I've got to agree with Kevin on this one, there's no reason to include that
kind of language on this type of mailing list set up. I don't think that
kind of language is appropriate in any kind of public conversation. Between
a couple of guys (or girls if they please) in private, fine. But not in a
public forum such as this. Trust me, I'm not afraid to use a few four letter
words here and there, but I just think there's a time and a place for such
language and this ain't it.
My .$02

John Kreitzer
72hurst@net-email.com

>From: Tim Wurtz <tropical@micron.net>

>Subject: Re: Black Oil


>I read the e-mail and didn't find anything too out of line here !!!!!
>I do know that this child is exposed to alot more than three mild words
>written on a computer screen. If he watches TV or goes to school there is
>certainly more than this to look out for !!!!!!!!!! Just a Thought
>Tim Wurtz


>From: Kevin D. Wood <Dr-Olds@webtv.net>
>
>I rarely complain about language used in these
>emails, but this one is bad.  My 8 year old son
>reads some of these emails, and I would prefer
>not to have that language included.  If this is too
>much to ask, sorry for the wasted email.
>
>Kevin
>
>

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:02:20 EST
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 Olds Cutlass hi from dixie

peter...that sounds like my kind of car....



jeff

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:22:26 EST
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: Seat belt question

In a message dated 2/3/99 9:18:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM writes:

<< This is exactly what I plan to do with my 66 convert, however the only late
 model seats I've found which are so configured are BMW 8-series cars, some
 Mercedes, and the Chrysler Sebring convertible.  The latter seats are a
 touch "heavy" looking for my taste.  And yes, I do plan to have custom
 leather seat covers made to match the upholstery.  Are their any others out
 there that I'm missing?
 
 Joe Padavano
 padavano.joe@orbital.com >>




          For what it is worth, i have a set of bucket seats out a 94? Honda
Del Sol. They have the seat belts that attach right to the seat track. I can't
remember what Honda did for  the shoulder belt, but i know for sure the lap
belt and the buckle are mounted on the seat
tracks..........SCOTT.........(.but i guess you'd have be kinda small to fit
on/in the narrow seat bottom, plus the seat backs aren't too high)

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:26:05 EST
From: Jetaway4sp@aol.com
Subject: Checking Back In, Stealth Mode

I took off for a couple of weeks for the first time in almost 2 years. It is a
strange world out there without your daily dose of Olds mail. I re-suscribed a
few days ago. 

But It I didn't actually feel I was back in sync until I had read a few grumpy
old fart lines from Lou, some expert advice from Joe Padavano, drunken
diatribe from Karl the 3rd, reminiscing from Don Sowers, and good dose of
punctuation from kerrykroger. 
Looking at Chris' pictures of Joe's cars started to bring me around. Then I
read a couple of complaints about other posts and then I knew I was home.

Randy in Okla
57 88 J2
Note: New address

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:32:05 -0500
From: "Robert Collins" <collins@peterboro.net>
Subject: Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers

hey,if there is a dog chained up outside,its a junkyard.

Right on Mark!

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:33:40 EST
From: Bbymks4@aol.com
Subject: T-tops question

                I have a question about the hurst hatch T-tops. I know that
they were
            made from 75-77, are they the same tops? If I had a top that was
from a
            ' 77, would it still fit on a ' 73? That's what I want to do, but
I don't want to
             shell out the $$$$$$ until I know for sure that it will fit. I'm
pretty sure that
            the ' 73-75 Cutlass's had the same exact body style, they changed
in ' 76,
            but I think that the car tops stayed the same. Let me know what
you know,
            O.K. Thank you very much from......Steve M.

            1-' 73 442 restoration project.
             (one is enough)

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:42:44 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Exhaust Crossover

Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca> wrote:

I find it interesting that people say the gasket will burn through and
yet my Ch*v*ll*'s never has.  The gaskets I used came with little tin
pieces that you
are supposed to install according to a guide book.  Being a
know-it-all I installed them on both sides so that my intake would be
cooler and I would get a denser charge but now my choke doesn't work. 
I've been waiting for 65,000 miles for them to burn out and re-enable
my choke but so far they seem to be holding.

**************
Cliff:

     Interesting yes. There is a good reason though. The crossover
passages in a C^evy head are MUCH smaller than in an Olds head. Also,
in most Olds heads (except for F and D (?) castings) the exhaust
crossover is fed by 2 cylinders vs one for most other engines...that's
why a little piece of tin will work to block a C^evy crossover but on
an Olds you need a chunk of cast iron!
==
"2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:39:54 EST
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: Engine Builder

In a message dated 2/3/99 3:25:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com writes:

<< Does any one know a good Olds engine builder? I  would like to put
 together  a reliable and stout street engine. 
 
 Can any of you guys out there do this? >>

Check out our club web page at members.aol.com/wmachines.site5.html
for the most part we've all built our own engines (less block machine work).
Personally I do porting work on the side and that's where the power is found.

Rgds,
R.Thomas
69 442

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:48:44 EST
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: Re: Language.

Geez.  In this world we're all not Ned Flanders from the Simpsons! The
language wasn't that bad.  Okilly dokilly?

Steve
CutW29@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:47:53 EST
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: Web page updated (WOW!!)

In a message dated 2/3/99 3:47:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, SemantanaC@tce.com
writes:

<< adies and Gentleman,
 With the permission of Joe Padavano I have posted some pictures of his on my
 web page.  Basically, Joe sent me some pics he had and I thought the list
 would enjoy them as well, so I threw together a web page.  It contains pics
 of his cars being loaded onto a truck for his move from CA to the DC area in
 1987 and pictures of his exotic Olds intake manifolds.  Definitely
 recommended viewing, those intakes are cool!!!  and we get to see his fleet
 of vehicles.
 Point your browsers to
 http://www.abcs.com/chris/joe_p.htm
 or
 http://www.abcs.com/chris/   and click on Joe's name
 
             JOE, great collection. I am sure new neighbors (at least at that
time) weren't sure just exactly who or what was moving in. No wonder you are
well informed about OLDS, you have a nice varity. I probably have just many
cars, but my aren't all Oldmobiles, don't look as nice, don't run, don't have
plates, have critters living in them, and just piss off my neighbors.
........SCOTT  :: wiping his lips after kissing Joe's backside::
 

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:50:26 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: T-tops question

I would have to say they were the same..just make sure to get all the pieces
you need..sounds like a fun project!! Let me know how it turns out. 
       <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">
HotRodHarrys73Olds455/4speed</A> 

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:01:10 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Fastest Oldsmobile Powered Car Alive?

>I thought it was a Ch#vy SB, 6.0L V8.  Is this a diesel block at 6L?
>
>Anyone know anything about this?  (Which happens to be my favorite car
above
>all!)
>
>Thomas Martin


Thomas,
Here's the basics of the info I have on Vector's vs. what this site says.
1)  The original Vector is not the Vector W8 as the site says but goes
all the way back to the W1 and first saw production (very limited) in
the W2.  I have no specs on the W1 but have a book from '87 that gives
a full run down on the W2.  Engine was a Donovan block SB cheby
350 with a heavily modified TH 425 trans.  Twin-turbo fuel injection for
a claimed 600+ hp.  Have photo's that I can scan on request.

2)  The Vector Aeromotive company always had financial problems
so the car was always little more than a tantalizing show car.  During
the early '90's the W8 showed up with (if memory serves) an engine
based on a BB cheby.  Trans was also based on the TH 425.  I say
based because with both the engine and trans all the parts were custom
manufactured and would not interchange with any of the stock parts.
On the W8 the styling was smoothed out considerably but again, never
really saw any volume production.

3)  A couple years ago pics showed up of the WX-3.  Though I don't
know certainly what motor it has I had heard it was similar to the old
motor which was cheby based.  I suppose they could have used the
Olds Indy motor, but it is my understanding that due to sanctioning
body rules the motors are leased and none are for sale.

The premise for the whole Vector series of cars is to mate aerospace
technology and manufacturing standards and an automobile.  This
gave you a car that felt more like a jet fighter and state of the art
design (in theory anyway).  Everything down to the plumbing, clamps,
and wiring were fit to put in a mil spec aircraft.  Have more info from
the '87 book I have so if you want more info just email me.  I will be
trying to get ahold of the owner of the web page to find out his info
on the Olds motor and see if he wants any of my info.

BTW I think the Aerotech still is the fastest Olds powered car and if
not, it would be the IRL cars.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 20:09:07 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Exhaust Crossover

Thanks for the insight John, I was starting to think that mine had fried
and I just never figured it out.  It sounds like blocking the Olds ones
and then drilling a 3/8" hole through them would be a good thing.  Cut
the heat down but still allow a little to warm the carb for those frosty
fall mornings.

John Pajak wrote:
> 
> <snip>
>      Interesting yes. There is a good reason though. The crossover
> passages in a C^evy head are MUCH smaller than in an Olds head. Also,
> in most Olds heads (except for F and D (?) castings) the exhaust
> crossover is fed by 2 cylinders vs one for most other engines...that's
> why a little piece of tin will work to block a C^evy crossover but on
> an Olds you need a chunk of cast iron!

- -- 
Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:01:42 EST
From: Heiser5@aol.com
Subject: Re: olds history center

Okay all,
   I see all this information about the Olds history center...I have a 71
Cutlass S.  What number do I have to call to get what info you were able to
get?

Mark

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:21:51 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Re: Exhaust Crossover

Sorry I missed the original post.  Why exactly
do you want to block off the crossover? I have
never done that and I am just curious what 
is the purpose other than cooling the manifold
some.?  I have seen these blocks in the Edelbrock book, but was told by
a few friends
and one of the Edelbrock techs that there wouldn't be any major benefit.

Thanks!
Kevin

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:21:08 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Web page updated

Would have been a thrill just to see the car hauler going down
the interstate!  That would be about the time my wife says I 
make that "whimpering" sound.  Hey Joe, you want to adopt a 
son?  Pleasssssssse!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike B

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:29:59 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Resurfacing Cylinder head intake mating surface.

>>The best way to avoid/fix leaks is to have the head/manifold
>>mating surface machined down.  Basically it's just using a
>>huge belt sander that will leave a smooth surface on the iron.

>Actually the most desired way to resurface any cylinder head, or engine
>block is by using a 'Rotary Broach' machine.  This will ~ensure~ that you
>have a flat surface.  A belt sander will smooth the surface but will ~not~
>create a flat surface.
>
>I did all 3 sides on my 455 heads when I worked as a machinist.
>
>Steve Reed


For the cyl surface of the head this is the way to do it.  For just trying
to
get the exhaust to seal, it is much easier and cheaper to go the sander
route.  All the machines I have had experience with ~will~ leave the
surface flat as measured with a machinist straight edge and feeler
gauge.  Not exactly square or true but flat.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:41:14 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Nashville

Don't know of any ~in~ Nashville but there's 
a couple of us up in Clarksville.

Mike B

>
>        Any members in Nashville - I
>will be their next week..........
>
>Tanks
>The General
>

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:34:56 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: web page

I have made some changes to my web page to make it load up better. Try it
out and let me know what you think.

Thanks
Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 21:57:14 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Headers Real Benefit

You have to keep in mind here that a motor is just
a big air pump.  If you visualize the flow through the
motor you can understand the concept that your power
is going to be limited by your largest restriction.  From
personal experience:

Stock 2v single exhaust to headers and duals= not much
improvement.  Reason:  engine choked by carb, some
improvement in off idle acceleration and 2-3 mpg.

Stock 4v single exhaust to headers and duals= large
improvement.  Reason:  engine choked by exhaust which
was limiting flow through the carb.  Huge improvement
in mid to high rpm power and 2-3 mpg ~if~ you kept
the secondaries closed.

These are the basic extremes of the spectrum as far
as what's the restriction.  Of course a stock cam and
low CR will limit power and keep even the best intake/
exhaust flowing below max.  Keep in mind that a good
set of headers not only flow better than manifolds they
help scavenge the cyls which helps cyl filling.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/


>       Also look at the header companies literature..they say (last I
checked)
>15-30 HP gains. Well, if your going from stock single, which I almost
>guarantee, to headers, dual exhaust, sure your going to notice a
difference.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 23:09:54 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@rbnet.com>
Subject: Re: Black Oil

Igor T. '81 DRB 455 wrote:
> 
> Why does oil go black.  My 455 is new and it sits for a long time.  The oil
> is starting to look darker and it smells a bit like fuel as well.

Smells like fuel?  Is the fuel pump new?  Sometimes when they fail they
pump gas into the oil sump.  If you notice the oil level ~increasing~
along with the fuel smell then you could have a bad fuel pump.  

It's normal for oil to turn darker as it ages in a gas burning engine. 
It turns black as it picks up contaminants, carbon and other by-products
of combustion.  Oil will turn black faster if the engine is out of
tune.  I know it's a new engine and in good tune but if runs rough cold
or something like that it might blacken the oil quicker than normal.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:02:41 EST
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Hot Rod

Right on Jason!
    That danged thing has never run faster and he covers it with the
absolutely wrong valve covers! BTW, they incorrectly identify the flamed Olds
as a 56 when all of us know that it's a 55!
										
Ron Forsee
										
65 442-Meister

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:08:49 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: The Vertical Challenge (Was Re: 70-72 Buckets)

Brian,

I feel your pain, my wife's 4' 8" and I'm 5' 7".  I really get cramped bad
getting in her RX-7 after she's been driving it.  Like tomorrow when I have to
take it to the muffler shop..........

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:20:19 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Black Oil

>It's normal for oil to turn darker as it ages in a gas burning engine.
>It turns black as it picks up contaminants, carbon and other by-products
>of combustion.


Especially true of a new engine (rings not yet seated)  that has been
operated for short times in cold weather (on the choke).   Stock up on good
major brand oil and change often until well broken in.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:20:00 EST
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Hot Rod

Hey Doug!
	I'm trying to get your drift, but I think you might mean that BOP's are
basically the same. The "C" is definitely different, as is evidenced by the
price tag. What was available from "C" at a much higher cost was standard on
the BOP's. No flame intended.
										
Ron Forsee
										
65 442-Meister

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:30:26 EST
From: Oldscutaw@aol.com
Subject: Just thinking

Please dont get me wrong here, but i was thinking. If i was to sell my car for
parts ('69 olds cut S) how much money do you think that i could come out with.
Right now i do not have a license because i got in to too many accidents with
my other car. I have a lot of original parts, some in really good condition.
From some what good cond. fenders to great doors, mirrors, seatbelts, seats,
rims, engine parts(all of them for a "69 rocket 350), rebuilt trany, new
drums, new carpet, new vinal cover, all windows, okay bumpers, all emblems,
okay grill, original spare, crap axel, stearing column, all things that it
needs to start. Once again, THIS IS JUST AN IDEA. Please dont respond to
single items.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:35:55 EST
From: Oldscutaw@aol.com
Subject: FOR SALE

I am selling rear seats for a '69 olds cut "S" (non-conv.) and the ash tray
holders for very very cheap because one of them is cracked (I think that its
the driver side one) all black interior.


'69 Cutlass S
Alex

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:40:14 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Distributor Info: (was: Re: need distributor info)

To keep from trashing what you already have you could try one 
of MSD's HEI modules which is supposed to increase the dwell
and give a hotter spark than the stock modules.  One of the things
that they really talk up about it is that it is stable up to 9,000 rpm
which isn't really important to you.  Cost through Jeg's is $65 US.
For $180 US you can get the full MSD HEI kit that has the 6a box
and coil and eliminate the module altogether.  All depends on 
your budget.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/


>Okay, this is what I have:
>
>HEI (from 307), Morso curve kit (weights & springs) Right now it has one
>heavy and one medium spring.
>Accel SuperCoil and Accel wires.  The motor is a fresh 455 .030 over, 9.6
>CR.  The cam is Speed Pro: 204/214@.050 duration, .448/.472 lift.  The
>timing is set at 16 deg. BTDC @1100 RPM.  The fuel I use is Supreme and it
>has 3.23s.  What should I do to upgrade my ignition and what will IT do.
>What does a MSD box do and how.  I heard about rev. limiters in those
>things.  4600 RPM sounds good for me.  Thanks.  Igor.
>

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:46:44 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: web page

You might want to post the URL for those of use who don't know it:)

"R. Grant" wrote:
> 
> I have made some changes to my web page to make it load up better. Try it
> out and let me know what you think.
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 20:48:09 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fender Brace

This would be the same on all cars correct?  I pulled one off a 71 442 
this summer for my 72 Supreme it was EXACTLY the same.

>Hey All,=20
>Anyone out there happen to have an extra drivers side fender brace 
which =
>goes between the inner fender and fender that was used on the 72 
Cutlass =
>with the 455. I have the passenger side, but somewhere down the line 
the =
>drivers side was lost. If anyone has one and is willing to part with it 
=
>E-mail me privately so we can work something out.=20
>TIA=20
>John Kreitzer  =20
>72hurst@net-email.com
>


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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:29:28 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: New Screen Saver

<<How about just pics and include a text file (part of the readme?) that lists
the cars and gives a little info about each one?>>

I think that hits the nail on the head.  That's the beauty of this list, the
great ideas we come up with, the knowledge we share, and the humor that
sometimes only we can understand...............:-)

Want any pics of roundy-round 71 Cutlass?

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:53:09 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Engine Builder

I have to put in my vote for Dave Smith.  I have never had a problem with
Dave's products or his advice.  If Dave don't have it, he can make it.  If he
can't make it, you probably aren't going to find it.

Dave Smith Engineering
P.O.Box 607
Corona, CA 91718
(909) 371-7040

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:57:13 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: FOR SALE

Where are you located?  Shipping for any distance would be a biggie on
seats.  If you're in Western Canada or Northwestern U.S. then count me
in.

As far as parting out your car, why?  If it is drivable or in good shape
structurally then why not just sell it whole?  The For Sale section of
442.com might have some similiar parts so you would get some idea of
what other people are asking.  Are the windows tinted?  I thought I
heard that good factory tinted rear windows where getting rare and
pricey.  May just be a local shortage.

Oldscutaw@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I am selling rear seats for a '69 olds cut "S" (non-conv.) and the ash tray
> holders for very very cheap because one of them is cracked (I think that its
> the driver side one) all black interior.
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:03:03 EST
From: Oldscutaw@aol.com
Subject: Seats and windows

The windows are not tinted, sorry. I live in NY sorry about that too. I am not
sure if i want to sell it though. I was looking in to a '72 Camaro. I am also
looking to buy a manual tranny. I most likely wont sell it. It kind'a grew on
me.

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:57:29 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re: web page

Sorry about that I guess it was getting late

Kevin

Http://members.home.net/kgrant442

- -----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: February 3, 1999 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: web page


>
>You might want to post the URL for those of use who don't know it:)
>
>"R. Grant" wrote:
>>
>> I have made some changes to my web page to make it load up better. Try it
>> out and let me know what you think.
>--
>
>Cliff Simpson
>csimpson@ucalgary.ca
>'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
>http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html
>

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:09:32 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Body ID Plates.

Does anybody know of a person or company
who remakes the Tin Firewall plate?  I may not be naming it correctly,
but I'm referring to the
plate above the firewall with the build information... I don't have a
rare or pricey car,
just a '72 Supreme, but somebody really did a
job on the tag.  I have it , but it is off the car.
It had many layers of paint on it, and it is ripped
at the left rivet mounting hole.  

I made a pencil-rub copy of it, and just for fun
I am going to send in to the Olds History Center
after all the talk I've been hearing on the list.

If anybody out there is bored and wants to take
a poke at translating this tag, go for it... If not,
feel free to delete me!

                Body By Fisher
line 1-  ST72 34257LAN439178  BDY
line 2-   R   979          63    F       PNT
line 3    04A A65              B85

(On line 2, I have a rip right in front of the R.
It looks like there could have been another 
character there, but I don't think so.)

The bigget question I have been trying to figure
out, is if the Saddle Bronze color my car is now
was the original color- ( I think so), and next, what color was the
vinyl top. The vinyl has been
removed and the top painted to match the car.

If anybody feels ambitious, I will be thrilled!
Thanks again,

Kevin

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 23:11:28 -0600
From: Robert Bishop <rbishop@iamerica.net>
Subject: Re: SX question

I'm looking to purchase a 71 SX hardtop and I'm trying to find production
numbers. Can any body help?

Thanks,

Robert Bishop wrote:
71 hardtop figures is 1820.
71 Conv. production was 357.
Total production for 71 is 2177.

rbishop@iamerica.net
71 SX

Robert,
Thanks for the info. Can you tell me where in the world you found this out?
Thanks,
Jeff


Took me many years to find this info.
Here's where I found it:

Oldsmobile History Center
(517) 885-1502
Lansing, Michigan

They provided me with this information.

You might also see the June, 1993 edition of the now defunct magazine
"Buick, Olds, Pontiac" Collectors Guide. It has an article on W-32 & SX
Cutlasses.

If you purchase this 71 SX, let us know.

BTW, here are a few pictures of 71 SX's you might enjoy:

http://www.442.com/bishop.html    (this one's mine)
http://members.aol.com/drivevette/olds71.html
http://www.flash.net/~texas442/'71SX.html
http://www.442.com/bullocksx.html

Thanks again.

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:14:32 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Web page updated (WOW!!)

WoW is right.  I am glad I didn't see that truck rolling down the 
highway.  I would have had a wreck looking at it.  Nice Collection.

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 21:20:34 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Nashville

I live about an hour from Nashville.


>Don't know of any ~in~ Nashville but there's 
>a couple of us up in Clarksville.
>
>Mike B
>
>>
>>        Any members in Nashville - I
>>will be their next week..........
>>
>>Tanks
>>The General
>>
>
>


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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:50:18 -0500
From: "W-MACHINES" <wmachine@en.com>
Subject: Re: More 455 Head IDs

Oops, Joe, I know you meant passenger side head!

Kurt & Rose   wmachine@en.com   
Centennial Feature at http://www.en.com/users/wmachine/wm.html
'65 Jetstar 1 4-speed                   '70 Toronado GT W-34 4-sale
'66 442 Sport Coupe 4-speed       '92 Achieva SCX W-41
'66 442 F-85 Deluxe factory L-69  '90 Trofeo

- ----------
> From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: More 455 Head IDs
> Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 10:46 AM
> 
> Heres the fun part.  Are there any clues to be found on an E head that
> might indicate that it came from a 442?  VIN possibly?  If not for E
heads,
> how about C heads?
> ____________
> 
> Unfortunately, Mike, no.  The E heads themselves do not carry any
> designation that would allow you to prove that the parts originally came
> from a 442.  The C heads are a slightly different case, however, as prior
> to 1968 the engine number was stamped on the head.  As a result, 1967 and
> earlier 442 motors will have one head with an engine number stamped in it
> which will start with a V if it was, in fact, a 442 motor. 
Unfortunately,
> this only applies to 67 cars (although C heads were used from 67 through
> 69), and only applies to what was originally the driver's side head.
> 
> The VIN derivative on 68-up blocks doesn't tie directly to the type of
car
> it was installed in (unless you have some way to unambiguously trace the
> last six digits of the VIN), however it _can_ provide some indirect
> evidence.  If the production plant (third place in the VIN derivative)
was
> one at which no 442s were built (KC, for example), then it obviously
isn't
> a 442 motor.  Of couse, you have no way of knowing for sure that the
heads
> were originally installed on that block or not.
> 
> The bottom line is that you have to measure the valves.
> 
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
> 
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:21:43 EST
From: Stakin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Performance improvements of 1 Vs 3 angle valve job.

<< To be honest I don't think a machine shop would even do a 1 angle valve
seat
 cut anymore. >>

A shop that would do a one angle valve job is one that would lap the seats and
call that a grind. 

Joe

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 23:33:25 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Body ID Plates.

                Body By Fisher
line 1-  ST72 34257LAN439178  BDY

line 2-   R   979          63    F       PNT
line 3    04A A65              B85

Line 1:
72= 1972
3= Olds
42= Supreme V8
57= 2dr coupe
LAN= built in Lansing
439178= Fisher body unit #

Line 2: supposed to be a "T" in front of the "R"
979= Supreme vinyl bench, Dark Saddle
63 F= This is the paint code your looking for, Greg Rollin helped
me with mine since my info doesn't cover that.

Line 3:  
04A= time built: April (fourth month) first week 
A65  B85= a mystery to me

Curious thing is that your line one should read something like
72  3J57 according to my info.  The 3J57 should be how 
your VIN starts and should replace the 34257 which is how
the VIN should start on the 69-71 cars and correspond to 
the cowl tag.

Hope this helps some.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:40:14 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Advice

Money is money, but your child is built with your blood, sweat, and tears.
Hard to sell a child, you'll never have to love again. Can always make more
money...

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of roger hitson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 11:02 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Advice
>
>
> I'm sorry to say that I do not know what is best for you.
>
> Speaking for myself, I've more often regretted selling a car (or truck)
> than keeping one.
>
> A scientific wild-ass*d guess is that you must have some fondness
> for this
> car or there wouldn't be a question to answer.
>
> roger hitson
>

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:41:48 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Black Oil

>Smells like fuel?  Is the fuel pump new?  Sometimes when they fail they
>pump gas into the oil sump.  If you notice the oil level ~increasing~
>along with the fuel smell then you could have a bad fuel pump.


It does not smell just like fuel, only not really like new oil.  Something
in-between.  The pump is also new and the oil level stays fine.

>Oil will turn black faster if the engine is out of
>tune.  I know it's a new engine and in good tune but if runs rough cold
>or something like that it might blacken the oil quicker than normal.


I don't know if it is in the best tune possible, however it runs fine.
Also, the car was at the bodyshop for a couple of months on this oil.  So,
when the guy worked on the car (doors open) and once or twice forgot to
disconnect the battery, the guy would start the car, back it out of the shop
and let it run.  I don't think that he ever got back in it and kick the gas
to shut the chock off.  I am sure that he let it run at least for 20 mins,
maybe more, and not only once.  Also, the car is started a lot (to turn it
around in the garage), but since the weather is cold, I never let if fully
warm up.  So, I guess it has been running on chock a lot.  I have changed
the oil once in the bodyshop and will do it again within the next few days
(when I get the new intake on).  I don't think that it is a problem, just
was curious.

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:42:23 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Black Oil

>Especially true of a new engine (rings not yet seated)  that has been
>operated for short times in cold weather (on the choke).   Stock up on good
>major brand oil and change often until well broken in.


Good tip.  Thanks.

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:52:26 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Language.

Sorry.  I usually never post language on the list (maybe twice in 2 yrs.),
it is just that the dipstick really got me mad because it is a piece of
junk.  There is nothing worst then finding metal floaters in the oil of a
brand new engine.  No excuse.  I will try to be 'correct' from now on.
Using nice words, though, is not nearly as descriptive of ones feeling as
those...ughh...other words.  Igor.

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 22:58:06 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Intake Manifold Install

Okay, I got my stock intake off the motor today (15 min, me and my friend,
that's good).  A lot of silicone crap fell into the valley so I will have to
clean it.  Tomorrow, I would like to install the Performer Intake using Mr.
Gasket gaskets.  Question about that.  I don't have the plugs to plug-up the
heat cross-over and I don't want to bother with it.  Some of you said that
the gasket will burn through, and I can see that.  My question is what
should I do.  If I install it as is and it burns trough, will that hurt the
motor.  Should I try to cut it out before install.  I should follow the same
installation technique as with the new motor.  I had a little erratic Vacuum
gauge with the stock intake and I think it is because there was a little
vacuum leak at the manifold.  There is NO WAY that sheet-metal THING sealed
well.  The manifold is just not that nice fitting.  It worked fine (motor
ran fine) but it must have leaked even a bit somewhere.  Igor.

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 01:02:07 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: T-tops question

Speaking of T-Tops.....   I'm still looking for parts, weather stripping, etc.
for the Cars and Concepts T-Tops.

Thanks!
Bill K

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 01:03:14 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: T-tops question

Just realized I was on the Olds list....  Oops.  The C&C tops I spoke of were
for a 2nd gen F-Body

Thanks Again
Bill K

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 01:04:27 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: A.I.R. Manifold availability?

Anyone know if the whole dreaded "A.I.R. Manifolds" for the 80's era Olds
head exhaust ports still available from Olds? Price $$$ ?

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

Project Forum Delphi Site:
http://www.delphi.com/cc_iroc_ss

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 23:07:01 -0800
From: keith miller <nkm@uswest.net>
Subject: need help

I am currently putting a 71 delta
88 back together. the engine is a
455 2 barrel, and i have not been
able to locate a vacuum hose
diagram for this application. any
assistance would be greatly
appreciated.
thanks, keith miller

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 22:10:05 PST
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Body work HORROR story + PLEASE Help W/Sheetmetal!

Hi all,

They make it look so easy in the Car Mags!

Good Luck,

Chris Rivier
Austin,TX
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST is BACK!
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 166K LAWN ORNAMENT!

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 01:16:37 -0500
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Thanks for the Advice

Well, I don't really know what to say.  Its funny really.  I guess that I'm a
real car guy, because I take this all so seriously.  In speaking with my
friends, they think I am literally insane to not taking the money.  They can't
even begin to realize that I love the car too much.  I get the "Its just a damn
car...take the money and run."  One of my friends even suggested that I could
buy a "pretty good number of hookers" for that much.  Well, sounds nice but no
thanks.  I guess all that can happen is the car will continue to go up in value
and I'll continue to enjoy it.  Most importantly is the enjoyment.  Now I just
have to decide if it needs a new coat of paint or not....

Thanks for all the advice...I appreciate it (So does the car!).

- --
- ---------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
- ---------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 01:05:32 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: Got the 455 Performer

It is not a big deal to run the motor without blocking it off. I
installed my Performer on my 350 without blocking the crossover off and
without cutting holes in the gaskets. The exhaust burned a hole in the
gasket for me, but stopped where the hole in the head was. It shouldn't
burn the whole gasket out. You might lose ~some~ power by not blocking
them off, as the manifold will runner a little hotter, but on a street
driven car it's no different than stock.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

"Igor T. '81 DRB 455" wrote:
> 
> >Igor --
> >
> >Did you get the cast iron plugs with the intake?  If you don't use those,
> >your gaskets will burn through in no time. Especially with exhaust
> >manifolds.
> >
> >I would block the exhaust crossover if you do not plan on using a chocke.
> >But be sure to use those rattly little plugs!
> 
> No.  Where can I get them.  What happens if I don't block the cross-over.
> Do I lose power or is in not a big deal. Thanks.
.

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 02:04:32 -0500
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Body ID Plates.

                Body By Fisher
line 1-  ST72 34257LAN439178  BDY
line 2-   R   979          63    F       PNT
line 3    04A A65              B85

To the other person out there that was as bored as I and looked up the info.
(forget who it was, deleted post) paint code  63 is Saddle Bronze Poly and
the "F" is for Saddle Tan striping.

FWIW.........'72 vin's do start with 3J57, but the cowl tag has it the "Old"
way. SO...........34257 is correct for the cowl tag number.

Bored at 2:00 am,
Randy

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