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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, February 12 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1771



Re: Who lives in Illinois?
Re: Rip Off Artist
cast iron welding....
Re: UNBOUNCE: Washer Pumps
Re: LISTEN TO THIS C...
Re: NJ rumor was RE: Inter State Emission testing?
Re: Chevrolet 350
1932 Olds Prices.
Re: Sorry About the .JPG File
tailpipes
Re: Bad Crank reply
Re: New Oldsmobile Owner - HELP!
Re: cast iron welding....
Re: chris sommerville
Re: Bad running 350 rebuild
Re: Mystery COPO and Olds parts ?, was(Re: Chevrolet 350)
Re: why are we talking about Chevys?
RE: Mystery COPO and Olds parts ?, was(Re: Chevrolet 350)
Re: Re: [Sorry About the .JPG File]
Re: why are we talking about Chevys? And COPO
Re: Re: 300 I6 was 350 chevy
TEST
Re: Rip Off Artist(thanks from Sommerville)
Re: Re: Sorry About the .JPG File
Re: Sorry About the .JPG File
Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets
Re: why are we talking about Chevys? And COPO
Re: Re: LISTEN TO THIS C...
Re: Re: Rip Off Artist(thanks from Sommerville)
RE: Re: Rip Off Artist(thanks from Sommerville)
Re: why are we talking about Chevys? And COPO
Re: Sorry About the .JPG File
Where's conv. top hyd. fluid go?
Parts interchangability 68 C/S S
rearend gear size
Re: why are we talking about Chevys? And COPO
Is there a better HEI?
Re: rearend gear size
Re: Re: Rip Off Artist(thanks from Sommerville)
Re: Re: Re: Rip Off Artist(thanks from Sommerville)
Re: rearend gear size
Gas Crisis (was: Re: Re: Re: Rip Off Artist(thanks from Sommerville))
FS: 71 DELTA and 79 Cutlass for Parts 
Re: rearend gear size
Re: Gas Crisis (non olds)
Atlantic City Show
Re: Non olds: what the heck is E-bay?
Re: Bad running 350 rebuild
Re: Where's conv. top hyd. fluid go?
Re: cast iron welding....
Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
Re: 300 I6 was 350 chevy
Unsubsribe
Re: Non olds: what the heck is E-bay?
Re: Is there a better HEI?
street 350 recipe..

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:01:14 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Who lives in Illinois?

> If you want more info, or if you find out any info, let me know,
> I'm pretty curious about this one. The phone # is 847-658-3857.

I couldn't nail the number specifically, but it traces to the
Algonquin, IL area, which isn't all that far away from me. If
you're _seriously_ interested I suppose I could take a look for
you. Let me know.

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:07:20 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rip Off Artist

> I waited a while before sending this email to give the guy a
> chance to send my parts.  I also emailed him but got no response.

I know we're all piling on this Subject line, but for the record,
Chris is the one who was looking for that "4-4-2: The Perfect 10"
license plate a while back. I found it for him, sent it to him
with a receipt for $10, and waited for some time before the check
appeared. Postmarks on the envelope showed it had been bouncing
around the postal system for an entire month through no fault of
his own; he'd correctly addressed the envelope and all that.

So the moral as I see it is: Stay in contact at all times. Absence
make the heart grow hostile, or something like that. I suggest
exchanging phone numbers as well as mailing addresses for any
transaction, and make sure the phone numbers work (i.e. call the
other guy at least once) if in doubt before taking the financial
plunge. Obviously if you're talking a $10 part you can be a little 
looser than a $650 deal, but you get the point.

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:10:59 -0500
From: "Worthington, David L" <david_worthington@reyrey.com>
Subject: cast iron welding....

I have a decent set of "C" heads that are going on my racing project (81
Cutlass/455). What's the best way to weld the center exhaust divider out to
the manifold flange?  I have a good neighbor that's a great welder, but
hasn't welded cast iron in years.   What welding rod do you folks recommend?
Do you have to pre-heat the head to a certain temp?  



Dave (i'm not a welder, but I play one in my garage) Worthington

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:19:08 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Washer Pumps

(CC'ing him directly because I'm not clear on whether he's on
the list or not...)

> The washer pumps on my 77 Olds Cutlass "S" have not worked for some
> time now. There is some noise when the wash button is pressed but
> no fluid squirts out.

I assume the noise is a loud *CLACK* followed by some rumpity-pump
that doesn't produce anything. That's the old pump solenoid engaging
the pump drive, but the worn piston seals can't prime the pump.

> Has anyone ever dealt with this before?? I've seen washer pump
> repair kits but am not sure if thats the way to go or replace
> the 2 pumps altogether. If replacing them are new ones available??

Yes, although I don't know why you're saying there are two pumps;
there's only one, with two outlets on the top.

My experience is that the repair kits, consisting of a new top,
flapper valves and O rings, don't work real well because it's the
seal around the piston that leaks the worst, and the repair kit
is just for the top stuff. It _is_ cheaper to try that first, though,
because the entire replacement pump, which you can indeed buy off the
rack from Anco at auto parts places, is about $20.

I don't think a junkyard will be much good because those pumps are
probably as worn as your own.

If you don't care about authenticity, you can splice in an electric
pump instead, which squirts for as long as you hold the washer button
down. Also from Anco, works pretty well, and is less than $10, I think.

> Also when once trying to remove the pumps from my car I had the
> hardest time removing the mounting screws. Any tips??

Use a good socket driver and patience. Look _real_ carefully for a
flexy brass grounding strip under the head of at least one of the
mounting screws which must be reattached, if present, when you put
it all back together. Also be sure that the drive pin sticking out
of the wiper motor fits properly into the socket of the cam of the 
washer pump and doesn't wind up _next_ to it instead. On intermittent
wiper systems this can cause the wipers to stop halfway up the
windshield instead of at the bottom of their sweep.

Have fun...  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:17:11 -0500
From: "rkn" <rkn@ezaccess.net>
Subject: Re: LISTEN TO THIS C...

Relax Igor, just tell all the "car-guys" on campus to take the tickets off
and throw them in the lot where the dean parks. Once the dean sees the
litter the "ticketing" will stop sure enough.
Is it right? I don't think so, but the point is that the ticketing will be
stopped by the same logic (or lack there of) that got it started in the
first place.
					R. Kevin Noon
					66 Dynamic 88 Convertible
					85 DRB (for sale, cheap)

- ----------
> From: Igor T. '81 DRB 455 <igor455@home.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: LISTEN TO THIS C...
> Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 12:38 AM
> 
> Today at school (University of Calgary), a group of environmentalists put
a
> protest ticket on a bunch of windshields (kinda like a Parking ticket).
> Basically condemning driving, telling us that we are killing the ozone,
etc.
> I have no problem with that, BUT.....I got one and my friend got one.  I
> drive a '81 Regency which has a 307 in great shape, 2.56 gears and OD. 
It
> is also PROPANE powered (and has a sticker) which makes it much more
> environment friendly then most gas car regardless of size.  My friend
drives
> a '79 GMC truck with a newer 350.  So, we decided to look around campus
and
> see what cars got this sticker.  Guess what, all older, big American cars
> and all NA trucks.  Not just boats like mine, but even mid '80s and early
> '90s cars.  The only excluded NA cars were new Sunfires, Neons, GEOs,
etc.
> NOT ONE JAP CRAP got this.  NOT ONE.  There is tons of them at my school
> that blow blue smoke so bad that it is difficult to drive behind them. 
THEY
> DON'T POLLUTE!?  No Japanese truck got one either.  The pamphlet did not
say
> anything about the type of car, but about pollution in general.  It
> condemned ALL and ANY vehicle pollution.  SO WHY did only we get it.
> Tomorrow I am going to talk to Campus security and see who puts this up,
> then go have a little word with them.  I bet most of them drive and I bet
> the one responsible for this drives a HONDA.  Hmmm, maybe I will ask him
to
> go for a race and then demolition derby against my Delta, after which we
can
> go for a sniff test and see who uses OIL.  Can't WAIT.
> 
> Igor Todorovic
> 1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23 posi)
> 1981 98 Regency (307/200-4R/propane)

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:21:17 -0500
From: "rkn" <rkn@ezaccess.net>
Subject: Re: NJ rumor was RE: Inter State Emission testing?

Not to mention that legally they can only spot check commercial vehicles
for emmissions. Unless the vehicle is either loud or emmitting visible
smoke. Just my $.02.
					R. Kevin Noon
					66 Dynamic 88 Convertible
					85 DRB (for sale, cheap)

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> From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: NJ rumor was RE: Inter State Emission testing?
> Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 12:03 AM
> 
> In a message dated 2/9/1999 10:37:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> SemantanaC@tce.com writes:
> 
> << Since the GTO Nats are in New Jersey this year and they have rather
>  stringent emissions laws, there was the rumor that all people driving
their
>  goats into NJ would be checked at the border.  If you didn't pass, you
>  didn't pass, literally.  You wouldn't be allowed to drive the car into
the
>  state.  Whether there's any truth to this or any part of this rumor I
don't
>  know.  But, like I said it was a rumor. >>
> 
> 
> Only problem is that these cars would have to meet the requirements of
their
> year of manufacture....   easy enough!
> 
> Bill K

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:25:20 EST
From: Stakin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

<snip>

<< That's why I'm a MUSCLE CAR fan.
 Requardless of brand. I love 'em all.(just about).  >>

Ahh  spoken like a true motorhead .   Bravo!!

Joe

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:43:28 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: 1932 Olds Prices.

Hello family,

I did see that attached Pic of the 1932 Olds that apparently came through
the list. Let me say, (with rolled up newspaper in hand), Bad Larry, Bad
Larry. No pics through the list.

OK, That's now done. Ahhh, "I feel much better". So, to the list. I was just
thinking (Oh No) about what that particular 1932 4 door went for new?
Was there any options from either Olds or the dealer?
What motor'(s) & transmissions might have been available?
Had synchronized Trans evolved by then?
What spark control and carbs were available then?
Can't tell in this pic, but were AM radios available in 1932?
Are those steel or wooden spoke rims?
Were White wall tires available in 32?
Was Black the only color?
Is that a face in the hub caps, or some aspect of cap attachment?

If, in fact, this specimen is in complete and un-restored original
condition, it's probably worth $13,000. How many 32's can exist today in
this state of condition.

Thing's that make you go, "Huummmmm".

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:47:28 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Sorry About the .JPG File

'Nuff said, I forgot about the digests.

"Semantana Chris (ONEX)" wrote:
> 
> > I must be a glutton for punishment because I feel the need to ask, why
> > can't we post pictures to the list?
> >
> >
> (If Chris remembers right its ...)
> In a word .... Digests
> For those on digest mode it's a major royal pain in the butt.
> 
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:55:03 -0500
From: "Eckart, Douglas A. SFC" <eckartd@emh.gordon.army.mil>
Subject: tailpipes

My nickels worth is also go to the muffler shop and have the pipes bent
rather than buying from anyone for once you get them and the pipes were
damaged during shipment, you lost valuable time getting your car on the
road.  Going to a reputable shop in this case is the best way.  Murphy's Law
#8 Shipping bendable pipe material.

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 07:50:21 -0800
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re: Bad Crank reply

>Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:31:14 PST
>From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Crack in my 455 : (

>Well,my weeks ben shot to h*ll ,i fond a Big'ol crack in my block 
>today,the guy told me it was hottanked ,magnfluxed, shotpeend.
>and that there was not one crack in the hole block,Well he lide to me.

>he put a'hole lot of goop in the crack to hide it ,untill i stript the 
>block.

>now,im sorry if this sound's bad ,it could just be that im realy mad at 
>him ,

>but is'int thare something we can do to guy's like this,
>that to stuff like this ,to guy like us?

Darn straight there is, call the Better Business Bureau.  Create a record on
this guy/shop maybe there is already one.  You won't get any monitory
rewards from it, BUT you will be helping other people out there.  I Once
contacted the BBB about CompUSA taking 6 months to give me a rebate on some
items I bought at x-mas time.  I was contacted the following day by the BBB,
filled out & return faxed the form with my complaint, and I was then called
the following day by CompUSA and told to come by the store and they would
issue me a check immediately.

NOBODY likes to be on the BBB's bad list!

I know it doesn't make ya feel better, but it's one of the legal options you
can take/use.

>I meen ,i have never ript anybody off, and im just trying to build a 455 
>for my car ,and I get ript off!   life just ant fair.


>Thanks
>      Ryan


Steve Reed 
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:48:54 -0500
From: "rkn" <rkn@ezaccess.net>
Subject: Re: New Oldsmobile Owner - HELP!

Mickey,
If you should decide to replace the top, DON'T remove the old one before
you're ready to install the new one. The position of the bows etc. will be
much easier to fit if you have the old top as a guide. Just my $.02 that
was hard earned, because the top on my 66 Dynamic was already off when I
got the car. I've already started a change fund so that when the top that's
on it now needs to be replaced, somebody else is going to do it...not me.
				Happy Oldsmobiling!
					R. Kevin Noon
					66 Dynamic 88 Convertible
					85 DRB (for sale, cheap)

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> From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: New Oldsmobile Owner - HELP!
> Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 5:19 PM
> 
> Okay - who's up to the challenge of helping a new Oldsmobile owner start
> restoration of a 68 Cutlass "S'" convertible???
> 
> Any takers???
> 
> Specs.
> 
> 350		original
> 2 bbl		off a 1972 something
> Emissions	stripped off already
> transmission	Jetaway (I think) - 2 speed - leaks like a sieve
> body		clean and straight - absolutely no rust ( I mean it!!)
> top/interior	looks okay - works okay
> 
> It's a looker with the top down on a sunny day.  Definitely needs some
> work to pretty up the grilles, interior dash/doors, etc. - wheels would
> be better than the current hubcaps.
> 
> Runs good.....kind of.....has a ping I can't get rid of (new plugs,
> wires, distributor, points, condenser, adjust timing, adjust dwell, etc.
> - tried octane booster).  But it seems reliable enough.
> 
> Steering box needs an overhaul and I will probably look into front disc
> brakes.

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:59:10 -0500
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: cast iron welding....

The way I understand it you have to heat the cast iron up to about 900
degrees. At least that's what the machine chop told me when they welded
mine. That's all I know about it.

- -----Original Message-----

>
>I have a decent set of "C" heads that are going on my racing project (81
>Cutlass/455). What's the best way to weld the center exhaust divider out to
>the manifold flange?  I have a good neighbor that's a great welder, but
>hasn't welded cast iron in years.   What welding rod do you folks
recommend?
>Do you have to pre-heat the head to a certain temp?
>
>
>
>Dave (i'm not a welder, but I play one in my garage) Worthington
>
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 18:30:03 -0500
From: Thomas Jacquillard <tjacquillard@InfoAve.Net>
Subject: Re: chris sommerville

B Vosburgh wrote:
> 
> I bet that ther is a mix up on his part .I have met the guy and do know
> that he was with the M Ps  at fayettville N C  they frown on people
> cheating others and I am sure that they would jump all over him if that
> was the case,. I bet that there is just a delay in millitary mail.
> Butch
I agree with butch, I met him and his wife, and they are not the type.
There has to be a mix-up. I have dealt with him, with no problems. Don't
trash him on the list til you give him a chance.
T.J.

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 10:51:49 EST
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bad running 350 rebuild

In a message dated 2/12/99 9:25:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, swickka@pa.net
writes:

<< 
 Test showed 100 PSI compression and air flowing through both exhaust
 and intake valves ... okay ... re-did head and valves ... no leak ... still
 runs
 like crap but has 135 compression.
  >>
i had a ford 460 cid do this once, it was a new motor also.  problem turned
out to be weak valve springs and wrong valve stem height. had good compression
untill the lifters pumped up and the old springs gave way.  machine shop did
not check stem height till i suggested it to them, or the springs for that
matter!  only other time i had some thing like that was when a valve spring
broke , i had to look real close to find it as the two halves wrapped around
each other.    hope this helps.   steven, w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:12:25 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Mystery COPO and Olds parts ?, was(Re: Chevrolet 350)

If you are talkingh about the blue and white Camaro given away by 
Classic Industries, that is a prototype.  I have the classic Industries 
catalog  in front of me and it says so.   Prototype's are not what I 
call a standard car.  They made a prototype vette station wagon too.  
Neter are production cars.




>How does the saying go..? Rules were meant to be broken. COPO orders 
were
>used to get around rules through the "back door". It worked in '69. 
I've
>also heard of COPO 427 Chevelles in '68 though I have never seen one. 
'68's
>were as scarce as hair on a turtle. This one '68 Yenko is a genny COPO. 
I
>think the car was raffled off. I believe it's light blue w/white 
graphics.
>Been awile since I saw that article. I'll find it.
>


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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 08:16:45 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: why are we talking about Chevys?

Because is beats wearing out the dual snorkle air cleaner thread.



>why has a thread about Chevy engines become the longest running thread
>that this oldsmobile list has seen in a month?  did we run out of
>Oldsmobile topics?
>
>take it somewhere else (like rec.auto.antique)! seriously!  please!
>
>Doug


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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:32:59 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Mystery COPO and Olds parts ?, was(Re: Chevrolet 350)

What about the 68 that was on the cover of MCR a couple/few issues back?  I
don't recall if it was factory, COPO, Yenko or what.  I do remember it is
now owned by Cliff Ernst, as if he doesn't have enough Yenko's as it is.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

> ----------
> From: 	jason shreve[SMTP:jasonshreve@hotmail.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Friday, February 12, 1999 11:12 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Mystery COPO and Olds parts ?, was(Re: Chevrolet 350)
> 
> If you are talkingh about the blue and white Camaro given away by 
> Classic Industries, that is a prototype.  I have the classic Industries 
> catalog  in front of me and it says so.   Prototype's are not what I 
> call a standard car.  They made a prototype vette station wagon too.  
> Neter are production cars.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >How does the saying go..? Rules were meant to be broken. COPO orders 
> were
> >used to get around rules through the "back door". It worked in '69. 
> I've
> >also heard of COPO 427 Chevelles in '68 though I have never seen one. 
> '68's
> >were as scarce as hair on a turtle. This one '68 Yenko is a genny COPO. 
> I
> >think the car was raffled off. I believe it's light blue w/white 
> graphics.
> >Been awile since I saw that article. I'll find it.
> >
> 
> 
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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:36:20 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: [Sorry About the .JPG File]

In a message dated 2/12/99, 8:57:49 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<If you're going to send Olds pictures around then consider posting them
on the Virtual car show at http://www.442.com  That way everyone will
get to see them.>>

Yes...please?  Would love to see more '73 and newer examples.


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 The Midday Guy on Mix103FM
 Live audio at:  www.mix103fm.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:42:07 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: why are we talking about Chevys? And COPO

At 08:16 AM 2/12/99 PST, you wrote:
>If you are talkingh about the blue and white Camaro given away by 
Classic Industries, that is a prototype.  I have the classic Industries 
catalog  in front of me and it says so.   Prototype's are not what I 
call a standard car.  They made a prototype vette station wagon too.  
Neter are production cars.
>
>
>

>Because is beats wearing out the dual snorkle air cleaner thread.




HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!! Good one. Maybe It wasn't the raffle car. I've
got THOUSANDS of magazine articles sloshing around in my brain. I do
however remember a 'big deal' article about The One And Only Documented '68
COPO being found. I think they even showed photos of the original invoices
and such. I'll find that one this weekend and refresh my memory. Oh boy oh
boy, I got a good reason to go and sort through all my boxes of car
magazines. Could be an all day affair! I'll probably get lost in my own
little world. I'll keep an eye out for cool and rare Oldsmobiles as I look
through my mags. Maybe I can find something that I'll be able to share with
the class on Monday.

Omega Man
74 Omega S

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:31:44 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: 300 I6 was 350 chevy

In a message dated 2/12/99, 8:42:14 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<< 171/200 engines which were early Falcon and Mustang powerplants that were
physically smaller than the 300/240>>

Interestingly enough, the 250 was the base engine in the Mustang through 1973.
In 1974, the Mustang II used a German-built V-6 instead of a straight six.
The I-6 didn't return until 1980 when it resurfaced as the "middle" engine
choice in 200CID form.

- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 The Midday Guy on Mix103FM
 Live audio at: www.mix103fm.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:48:05 -0500
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: TEST

testing 123... testing123....

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:46:42 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rip Off Artist(thanks from Sommerville)

TO Dennis and the rest of the list: I thank you for your support and great
stories that you all have posted on my behalf. You are a great bunch of people
to get information and friendship from. I must say to Greg, that you've built
a great social system for us Olds nuts. We are the outcasts of the GM society
but we have all found a home here. To bad we can't all get together for a
coffee or a beer sometime. 	And Dennis Thank you, I enjoy serving our 
great
country and making sacrifices for the people and their families on the list
and for our Canadian brethren I am a member of the Canadian Airborne Military
Police Regiment, was inducted by the Command Sergeant Major when I was in
Edmonton at the Basic Airborne course. I have spent many hours and days in the
mud and muck with them on joint training exercises and on parachute drops
(Olds content: the CSM drove a Delta 98, I remember because he drove me to the
mall WOW what a place!!!), Thanks Again everyone, Chris

PS Greg did you sell all of the H/O's? I'm still looking. 

CHRIS SOMMERVILLE
69 442 SC
84 H/O

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:41:39 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Sorry About the .JPG File

In a message dated 2/12/99, 9:14:50 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<I assumed that pictures would pooch older email readers but is anyone
still running a reader that had a problem with the picture? >>

AOL does.  Either we get nothing or a bunch of gibberish.


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 Midday Guy on Mix103FM
 Live audio at: www.mix103fm.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:46:14 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Sorry About the .JPG File

>I must be a glutton for punishment because I feel the need to ask, why
>can't we post pictures to the list?
>
>I assumed that pictures would pooch older email readers but is anyone
>still running a reader that had a problem with the picture?  The second

The picture must be converted to hexadecimal ASCII code to be sent via
e-mail; most mail programs code and decode the binary picture information,
so that part is transparent to most users- the picture just shows up as a
separate file. Even an older mail program will receive the message, and you
could cut-n-paste the ASCII to a file for manual conversion by hex->bin
program. So that's not the biggest problem.

>problem would be that an email with a picture in it is huge compared to
>a text only message so the list server could become swamped.  So is this
>an outdated rule or does posting binaries still cause problems.

No the problem is not simply the size, but the way e-mail works with binary
information.

>I apologize for the dumb question but I'm curious, that's all.

Not a dumb question at all, if in fact you're on the real-time list and
just got a nice picture of a mint 1932 Olds. On the other hand, if you're
on the digest, you get a hundred pages of this: 

>This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
>
>- --part0_918788237_boundary
>Content-ID: <0_918788237@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1>
>Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
>Brian:  Here's a picture of the '32 Olds.  I think it is a beautiful car
>considering it's all original and in such great shape.
>
>Larry
>
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>
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It's the way the digest works.
________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	    MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:49:11 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets

>Yeah just buy the chrome trumpets and have a good custom exhaust shop make
>the system on the car. I got a repro from Fusick and was very disappointed
>in the fit. I sure others are just as bad. A good shop will make it for

I have to say that I bought a set of repro pipes from Fusick, and I was
very PLEASED with their fit. I did have to assemble everything loosely and
wiggle it around in order to line everything up, but it fits fine on my SX,
with the trumpets equally centered in the cutouts.

>YOUR car and fit it snug as a bug. Too much varience from the factory.
>Crossmember, engine manifolds, etc they all add up to big errors. Believe
>me its less hassle in the long run. 

Those variances may be the key; my car has never been hit, and only has
95,000 miles on it, so everything may be closer to original specs than another.
________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	    MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:51:19 -0500
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: why are we talking about Chevys? And COPO

List 

        All this COPO talk has got my mind flowing again. I was told by someone
that the (54) 1966 W-30's were a COPO deal to back door them from management.
Has anyone else ever heard that? Also found out that Dave Smith actually pulled
55 cars for this and I know the guy who has what would have been #55. Black
F-85 Post Coupe 442 with blue interior. Car still has 2,300 actual miles on it
today. He had Olds pull the car from the holding building with all the cars in
it waiting for conversion after waiting 13 weeks and was upset because a buddy
ordered a 66 GTO and had it in 6 weeks. His came with the balanced and
blueprinted 400 with the OAI setup in a box. The guy is Danny Lattimore.

Jim Chermack
66 442 W-30 Track Pac
66 442 Race Car
98 Intrigue




>HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!! Good one. Maybe It wasn't the raffle car. I've
>got THOUSANDS of magazine articles sloshing around in my brain. I do
>however remember a 'big deal' article about The One And Only Documented '68
>COPO being found. I think they even showed photos of the original invoices
>and such. I'll find that one this weekend and refresh my memory. Oh boy oh
>boy, I got a good reason to go and sort through all my boxes of car
>magazines. Could be an all day affair! I'll probably get lost in my own
>little world. I'll keep an eye out for cool and rare Oldsmobiles as I look
>through my mags. Maybe I can find something that I'll be able to share with
>the class on Monday.
>
>Omega Man
>74 Omega S

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:47:00 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: LISTEN TO THIS C...

In a message dated 2/12/99, 10:32:00 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<Relax Igor, just tell all the "car-guys" on campus to take the tickets off
and throw them in the lot where the dean parks. Once the dean sees the
litter the "ticketing" will stop sure enough.>>

Maybe you could do a little fund-raiser for MADD or a similar organization.
Find a beat-up old Jap car, preferrably one that has been wrecked by a drunk
driver.  Put it in the lot and charge a dollar or two for people to come by
and take a whack at it with a sledge.  Give the proceeds to worthy anti-drunk-
driving organization.  Hey, it's for a good cause...how can the college say
no?

- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 Midday Guy on Mix103FM
 Live audio at:  www.mix103fm.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:12:38 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Rip Off Artist(thanks from Sommerville)

In a message dated 2/12/99, 11:51:23 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<I must say to Greg, that you've built
a great social system for us Olds nuts. We are the outcasts of the GM society
but we have all found a home here.>>

I have to add...I bought my first Oldsmobile in the summer of '82, right after
graduating from high school.  A mint-condition 1977 Cutlass Supreme.  Worked
at K-Mart for two years and paid for it with 38 100-dollar bills.  There was
never any question as to what I would buy.  To this date, it was my favorite
out of all the cars that I've owned.  But what kind of comments do you suppose
I got from my fellow graduates?

"Why didn't you get a _____?"  (Z-28, Mustang, Camaro, or Jap car)
"An OLDSMOBILE?  Those are GRANDPA CARS!"
"What do you want with such a big car?"
"My Honda gets better gas mileage."


Kids!  Sheesh!


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 Midday Guy on Mix103FM
 Live audio at:  www.mix103fm.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:29:06 -0600
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: Re: Rip Off Artist(thanks from Sommerville)

I'll tell you one thing.......when I'm driving my shiny red '68 Cutlass
convertible on a sunny day it's the Camaro, Firebird, Mustand,
etc....owners that are looking at my OLDSMOBILE!!!!!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	OldsRokkit@aol.com [SMTP:OldsRokkit@aol.com]
> Sent:	Friday, February 12, 1999 11:13 AM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: Re: Rip Off Artist(thanks from Sommerville)
> 
> In a message dated 2/12/99, 11:51:23 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> writes:
> 
> <<I must say to Greg, that you've built
> a great social system for us Olds nuts. We are the outcasts of the GM
> society
> but we have all found a home here.>>
> 
> I have to add...I bought my first Oldsmobile in the summer of '82,
> right after
> graduating from high school.  A mint-condition 1977 Cutlass Supreme.
> Worked
> at K-Mart for two years and paid for it with 38 100-dollar bills.
> There was
> never any question as to what I would buy.  To this date, it was my
> favorite
> out of all the cars that I've owned.  But what kind of comments do you
> suppose
> I got from my fellow graduates?
> 
> "Why didn't you get a _____?"  (Z-28, Mustang, Camaro, or Jap car)
> "An OLDSMOBILE?  Those are GRANDPA CARS!"
> "What do you want with such a big car?"
> "My Honda gets better gas mileage."
> 
> 
> Kids!  Sheesh!
> 
> 
> -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
>  Midday Guy on Mix103FM
>  Live audio at:  www.mix103fm.com
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:37:06 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: why are we talking about Chevys? And COPO

Gene Gilpin wrote:
> 
> At 08:16 AM 2/12/99 PST, you wrote:
> >If you are talkingh about the blue and white Camaro given away by
> Classic Industries, that is a prototype.  I have the classic Industries
> catalog  in front of me and it says so.   Prototype's are not what I
> call a standard car.  They made a prototype vette station wagon too.
> Neter are production cars.
> >
> >
> >
> 
> >Because is beats wearing out the dual snorkle air cleaner thread.
> 
> HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!! Good one. Maybe It wasn't the raffle car. I've
> got THOUSANDS of magazine articles sloshing around in my brain. I do
> however remember a 'big deal' article about The One And Only Documented '68
> COPO being found. I think they even showed photos of the original invoices
> and such. I'll find that one this weekend and refresh my memory. Oh boy oh
> boy, I got a good reason to go and sort through all my boxes of car
> magazines. Could be an all day affair! I'll probably get lost in my own
> little world. I'll keep an eye out for cool and rare Oldsmobiles as I look
> through my mags. Maybe I can find something that I'll be able to share with
> the class on Monday.

You know, I think I've still got some magazines stored somewhere either
here or at my parents' house.  I'll have to look when tax season (April
16th) is over.  On other thing I think I remember seeing the last time I
was nosing around my parents' upstairs was some old motor manuals from
the early 50s that my dad still has.  I need to remind him that I want
those one of these days when he is tired of keeping them.  And my
mechanic friend that owns his shop might have some to.  Sure is fun to
look in these old books and see how some of these things worked back
then.  If I only understood what they were talking about......

Don Sowers
Nicholasville, Ky

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:39:58 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Sorry About the .JPG File

OldsRokkit@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 2/12/99, 9:14:50 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
> 
> <<I assumed that pictures would pooch older email readers but is anyone
> still running a reader that had a problem with the picture? >>
> 
> AOL does.  Either we get nothing or a bunch of gibberish.

AOL is not high on my list of favorite places.  When I updated Netscape
to 4.5 the AOL stuff came with it.  I like 3.0 better, but my mail box
started to develop bad habits and I had to change.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:01:02 -0600
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Where's conv. top hyd. fluid go?

I misplaced my fischer body manual and I can't remember where the fluid is
added for the conv. top.  I took out the rear seats and can get to the pump,
but can't find the resevour (sic).  I can clearly see air bubbles in the
lines when putting the top down.

- -greg z

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 12:39:51 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Parts interchangability 68 C/S S

Fellow Olds-Fanatics, 

Was there a C/S in 68? (I cant find a C/S in my 68 Olds Shop manual and 
the FAQ are kinda thin on this too.)

If there was a C/S in 68, does it have the same body style then the 
Cutlass S?? Does it have the same headlights, taillights, steering wheel 
etc.? What (body) parts don't interchange?

Other question: A buddy gave me his older (about 5 jears old) Edelbrock 
carb. It is NOT a performer series. It seems to be from Rochester. He 
sais it is a 750cfm. Anybody has experience with this model? Would you 
put this on a 350 (all stock except intake)? It seems to be in very good 
shape.

Your help is always greatly appreciated...
George
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:54:09 EST
From: EDZX6@aol.com
Subject: rearend gear size

I've decided to go ahead and change the rearend gears on my 72 cutlass from
3:23 to 3:73's.  I know that the rearend is a 10 bolt that's easy to figure
out but, when I called my local speedshop for the gears he asked me if it was
a 10 1/2 rearend. I don't know exactly what this means and I want to make sure
that I don't take on the job and half way through it find out its the wrong
gears. Anyone know what exact info I need to tell the shop so that I get the
right gears. I know that alot of this shops only speak one language and that's
ch*by! I do't want any surprises. Thanks!

Eddie

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:49:02 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: why are we talking about Chevys? And COPO

In a message dated 02/12/1999 11:42:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:

<< Could be an all day affair! I'll probably get lost in my own
 little world. I'll keep an eye out for cool and rare Oldsmobiles as I look
 through my mags. Maybe I can find something that I'll be able to share with
 the class on Monday. >>

If you do a good job, you'll get extra credit.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:54:07 EST
From: EDZX6@aol.com
Subject: Is there a better HEI?

I'm replacing my HEI dist (72 cutlass) and I was wondering are all HEI's the
same quality? In other words would I be better off buying a 1976 HEI vice a
1975 HEI. Or are they all the same other than the newer ones using different
types of modules.

Eddie  72 Cutlass  conv / 4spd

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:12:29 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: rearend gear size

I've never heard of such a thing. Could he have meant 10 bolt, 8 1/2 ring
gear and just didn't know how to communicate that? He wasn't pounding on
his chest and grunting was he?

Omega man




At 01:54 PM 2/12/99 EST, you wrote:
>I've decided to go ahead and change the rearend gears on my 72 cutlass from
>3:23 to 3:73's.  I know that the rearend is a 10 bolt that's easy to figure
>out but, when I called my local speedshop for the gears he asked me if it was
>a 10 1/2 rearend. I don't know exactly what this means and I want to make
sure
>that I don't take on the job and half way through it find out its the wrong
>gears. Anyone know what exact info I need to tell the shop so that I get the
>right gears. I know that alot of this shops only speak one language and
that's
>ch*by! I do't want any surprises. Thanks!
>
>Eddie
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:34:46 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Rip Off Artist(thanks from Sommerville)

I took a lot of those sort of comments too.  I was   driving a big 88 at the
time.   An acquaintance berated me for my choice and told me what great gas
mileage his new Qualude got.  My reply was to ask what he paid for it.  The
reply was over $20,000.  I told him I could buy a hell of a lot of gas for
$20,000.   The final revenge was on a 5 degree morning when the 88 fired on
the first try and the Honda hopelessly flooded itself.

Regards,
Fred

- -----Original Message-----
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com <OldsRokkit@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Rip Off Artist(thanks from Sommerville)


>In a message dated 2/12/99, 11:51:23 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
>
><<I must say to Greg, that you've built
>a great social system for us Olds nuts. We are the outcasts of the GM
society
>but we have all found a home here.>>
>
>I have to add...I bought my first Oldsmobile in the summer of '82, right
after
>graduating from high school.  A mint-condition 1977 Cutlass Supreme.
Worked
>at K-Mart for two years and paid for it with 38 100-dollar bills.  There
was
>never any question as to what I would buy.  To this date, it was my
favorite
>out of all the cars that I've owned.  But what kind of comments do you
suppose
>I got from my fellow graduates?
>
>"Why didn't you get a _____?"  (Z-28, Mustang, Camaro, or Jap car)
>"An OLDSMOBILE?  Those are GRANDPA CARS!"
>"What do you want with such a big car?"
>"My Honda gets better gas mileage."
>
>
>Kids!  Sheesh!
>
>
>-Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
> Midday Guy on Mix103FM
> Live audio at:  www.mix103fm.com
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:01:18 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Rip Off Artist(thanks from Sommerville)

In a message dated 2/12/99, 2:36:52 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<I took a lot of those sort of comments too.  I was   driving a big 88 at the
time.   An acquaintance berated me for my choice and told me what great gas
mileage his new Qualude got.  My reply was to ask what he paid for it.  The
reply was over $20,000.  I told him I could buy a hell of a lot of gas for
$20,000.   The final revenge was on a 5 degree morning when the 88 fired on
the first try and the Honda hopelessly flooded itself.>>

My dad always got the last word during the gas shortage of 1979.  He was
driving his beautiful brown Ninety-Eight at the time.  The Granola-Heads would
always say "How can you drive that big car?  Don't you worry about running out
of gas?  My (insert favorite Jap car here) gets 30 miles per gallon!"  He'd
let them finish their speech, then he'd ask "And how big is the gas tank on
your (insert favorite Jap car here)?"  "Um....I don't know."  Most imports of
that time had 10-11 gallon gas tanks.  Very few had over 12.  He'd then
explain that, even at 30MPG (which was an inflated claim in the late 70s),
their crusing range was about 300 miles.  The 98, on the other hand, averaged
16mpg city/hwy combined.  Multiply that by the 25 gallon tank, and you have
another 100 miles of worry-free cruising per fillup with the Olds.  

That always left the wackos speechless :-)


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 The Midday Guy on Mix103FM
 Live audio at: www.mix103fm.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:00:31 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: rearend gear size

...when I called my local speedshop for the gears he asked me if it was
a 10 1/2 rearend.
_______

The only thing I can think of is that he's thinking of a GM truck axle
(aren't some of those 10 1/2" ring gears?).  Either that, or he's using the
"10 1/2" as a sideways reference to the to the funky Type O rear ends (12
bolt cover, but only a 10 bolt ring gear).  Either way, your 72 will have a
10 bolt GM Corporate rear end, same as the Chebby, with an 8 1/2" ring
gear.  Maybe, as was suggested, he meant to say 8 1/2 instead of 10 1/2.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:16:35 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Gas Crisis (was: Re: Re: Re: Rip Off Artist(thanks from Sommerville))

...Multiply that by the 25 gallon tank, and you have
another 100 miles of worry-free cruising per fillup with the Olds...
___________

I distinctly remember the Lincoln and Caddy ads from the late 1970s; while
every other car manufacturer was bragging about their MPG numbers, these
two were talking about miles per TANKFUL...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:23:34 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: FS: 71 DELTA and 79 Cutlass for Parts 

I think nobody from Baton Rouge, LA is on the list huh? 
Well, I stumbled across these ad in todays paper (no relation to the 
persons that sell these cars) and I thought I share it with you if 
someone is interested:

1971 OLDS DELTA 88 V8 350 Rocket, A/C, CD. Runs great. $2200. Ph. 
225-752-5534. 

CUTLASS, 1979, whole for parts, $200. 225 343-7910.

Regards, George
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. (not fs)
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:34:12 -0500
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: rearend gear size

Eddie

        He doesn't know what he's talking about. The rear you should have in
there is a Corporate 8.5" 10 bolt with I believe 28 splines, also has a crease
in the upper area of the cover. I may be wrong on the spline count. Ch*vy's
used this rear also so it shouldn't be that hard for him.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts


At 01:54 PM 2/12/99 , you wrote:
>I've decided to go ahead and change the rearend gears on my 72 cutlass from
>3:23 to 3:73's.  I know that the rearend is a 10 bolt that's easy to figure
>out but, when I called my local speedshop for the gears he asked me if it was
>a 10 1/2 rearend. I don't know exactly what this means and I want to make sure
>that I don't take on the job and half way through it find out its the wrong
>gears. Anyone know what exact info I need to tell the shop so that I get the
>right gears. I know that alot of this shops only speak one language and that's
>ch*by! I do't want any surprises. Thanks!
>
>Eddie

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:32:33 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Gas Crisis (non olds)

I have one of those late 70ies Lincoln Continentals for a daily driver! 
one automatically starts to think in tankfulls and tries to forget that 
there are over 20 gallons behind those 250 miles in city traffic. <VBG>.
 
But being from Germany where the price for fuel is about 500% of the US 
prices, I can only laugh about the people being really concerned about 
gas mileage for cost reason: I don't bother! (at least for cost)

My dad had a early 80ies BMW in Germany. It cost him near to 100 bucks 
in Germany to fill that thing up! He had to sell it for $500 in good 
condition, because everybody fears the moment he has to go and pump!

Regards, George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 12 Feb 1999 Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:

> ...Multiply that by the 25 gallon tank, and you have
> another 100 miles of worry-free cruising per fillup with the Olds...
> ___________
> 
> I distinctly remember the Lincoln and Caddy ads from the late 1970s; while
> every other car manufacturer was bragging about their MPG numbers, these
> two were talking about miles per TANKFUL...
> 
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
> 
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30
> 
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:48:23 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Atlantic City Show

If anyone from the list is going to the Atlantic City Auction and Show on
Saturday lets meet at noon where the cars come off the auction block. 

See you there.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 13:22:48 PST
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Non olds: what the heck is E-bay?

If you think that is exciting try:

http://www.techweb.com/wire/finance/quotes/result?mode=quote&symbol=ebay

Looks like we all missed out on E-bay?

Check the charts since it went public late last year.  Should've, 
would've, could've...If you got in early it was great.  We could have 
all invested and made a bundle.  Then buy what you we want.

Just my $.02,

Chris Rivier
Austin,TX
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST is BACK!
http://www2.bladeti.com/cars/
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 166K LAWN ORNAMENT!


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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:40:26 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Bad running 350 rebuild

Hi Ken,
   Okay here's a wild guess. I'd say it's either a wiped a cam lobe or a
collapsed lifter. Pull the passenger side valve cover and check for rocker
arm movement on #4. I hope this steers you in the right direction,
Gene

>In August, I finished rebuild on my 69 Cutlass 350 engine.
>It ran fine for five months. Ran it up to 3800 RPM after 500
>Miles of various RPM break in ... Poof ... the engine started running rough.
>
>Now it runs rough showing on meter that number 4 cylinder isn't
>firing. So changed wires etc ... changed MSD andput in stock distributor
>from Year One
>
>Test showed 100 PSI compression and air flowing through both exhaust
>and intake valves ... okay ... re-did head and valves ... no leak ... still
>runs
>like crap but has 135 compression.
>
>Runs better with 20 degree advance but breaks up on low end ... and high
>end. It runs best in the middle RPMs  but lacks power.
>
>I'm going to try Lunati low end torque cam.  new lifters and rods.

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:54:20 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Where's conv. top hyd. fluid go?

There is a rubber plug on the top of the pump. Carefully pull the plug out
and add fluid. DO NOT OVERFILL!!   If the lined did not leak I wouldn't add
more fluid. The level should remain the same unless there is a leak. You
can't get all the air bubbles out. 
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Greg <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
> To: Olds list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Where's conv. top hyd. fluid go?
> Date: Friday, February 12, 1999 12:01 PM
> 
> I misplaced my fischer body manual and I can't remember where the fluid
is
> added for the conv. top.  I took out the rear seats and can get to the
pump,
> but can't find the resevour (sic).  I can clearly see air bubbles in the
> lines when putting the top down.
> 
> -greg z
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:55:27 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: cast iron welding....

Hi Dave,
   I also have a welder and, like you, I am not afraid to use it. Anyway I
was given some arc welding rods that are stamped "Nassau Jupiter" and they
are for cast iron welding. I welded cast iron pipe with it and the results
were excellent. It was almost like soldering because the molten pool flowed
so nicely. I didn't preheat first but you might want to with a casting
because of the possibility of inducing cracks in the metal. I guess if you
at least pre-heated the area around the center exhaust port it should be
okay. Perhaps more experienced Oldsmobilers will chime in here. TTYL,
Gene

At 10:10 AM 2/12/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a decent set of "C" heads that are going on my racing project (81
>Cutlass/455). What's the best way to weld the center exhaust divider out to
>the manifold flange?  I have a good neighbor that's a great welder, but
>hasn't welded cast iron in years.   What welding rod do you folks recommend?
>Do you have to pre-heat the head to a certain temp?  
>
>
>
>Dave (i'm not a welder, but I play one in my garage) Worthington
>
>

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:12:05 -0600
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???

The cars used for jumps were underhood blown 455 Pontiacs.

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 16:14:38 -0600
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: 300 I6 was 350 chevy

A friend of mine picked up a 76 2 dr Cutlass, white, 250 I6, THM350.  Ran
solid, not fast, but solid, it would have made a GREAT bracket car!
Consistent 0-100 mph, all the time, the same.  

Died a rusty death.....

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 15:38:47 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Non olds: what the heck is E-bay?

Yeah, ifa, shoulda, etc.  But there's a big crash coming to internet stocks. 
Do you really think Amazon.com which has increased 900% in a year and never
turned a profit is worth more than Disney?  Apparently that's what the market
thinks right now.

<olds content>Lots of cool Olds stuff on eBay and if we invested correctly we
could be buying it instead of some pin/matchbook/diecast collectors.</olds
content>


Chris Rivier wrote:
> 
> If you think that is exciting try:
> 
> http://www.techweb.com/wire/finance/quotes/result?mode=quote&symbol=ebay
> 
> Looks like we all missed out on E-bay?
> 
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 17:22:14 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Is there a better HEI?

EDZX6@aol.com wrote:

> I'm replacing my HEI dist (72 cutlass) and I was wondering are all HEI's the
> same quality? In other words would I be better off buying a 1976 HEI vice a
> 1975 HEI. Or are they all the same other than the newer ones using different
> types of modules.

I'm in the middle of gradually accumulating HEI components now for my own swap
(although I may still end up not doing it).  Here's what I have discovered.  I
don't think newer ones are a better quality, per se, just more likely to have
fewer miles, which is important.  Get the distributor that has the least number
of miles on it.  All the internal electronic parts are replaceable and are
available from SuperCars Unlimited and Year One.  The main worry about the
distributor itself is wear of the bushings and shaft, which can be expensive to
replace.   As for comparing '75 and '76, I ~believe~ the internals are the same
on those two.  The FAQ lists differences in ignition coils for different years.
I know, for example that there are coils that have red, black, and yellow wires
and others that have red, black, and white.  I think the main difference among
those is in the resistance of the primary circuit.  If anyone can comment on 
the
better of the two, I'd be interested.
- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 14:35 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: street 350 recipe..

   In an earlier posting I asked the list for suggestions
on hopping up the stock 350 in my '72 Supreme, but there
was only one lone response. (Same thing happened with my
seat-belt upgrade question, seems like at times I have
different interests from my fellow listees!)

    I would have guessed quite a few listees would have
some interest in this as a lot of us drive our cars a lot,
am I wrong? (One final attempt to get this thread going,
after which I'll shut up ;)    )

   The engine is for daily-driver use, so I'm mainly
interested in lots of torque, good 0-60 times, and good
passing power on the freeway. I don't plan to drag race
the car and am not much interested in strong acceleration
up past 90 mph or so (the point at which the friendly LAPD
starts to reenact the Rodney King tapes if they catch you).
What I'm hoping for is at least 250 net horsepower without
killing significant amounts of my low rpm torque, which
seems like a reasonable goal. My car has a 3.07 rear and
a TH350, 26.7" tall tires, and the stock 350/Quadrajet 
with single exhaust.

    In response to Igor's questions, my 350 has only
49,000 miles on it, so I don't plan a complete rebuild,
and don't want to remove it from the car. I'm thinking
more of headers, dual exhaust, new intake manifold, a
custom rebuild of the Quadrajet by Jones Carburetion 
in LA or the Carb Shop,  and - if i can make enough extra
horsepower to make it worth the trouble - a new cam,
lifters, and valve springs. If I learn that I must raise
my CR I'm willing to go as far as removing the heads and
having them milled or whatever, too.

    By the way, Comp Cams ran an ad in the newest
Car Craft which says that they have just developed
retrofit hydraulic ROLLER cams and lifters for Oldsmobile
V-8's. Claimed benefits are short cam timing for low rpm
torque combined with high lift and more "area under the
curve" for high-rpm horsepower. I've sent for a catalog
- - I don't have any more info at this time.

- -John Carri

'72 Olds Cutlass Supreme
'73 Plymouth Road Runner

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