Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca @ INTERNET
To:	oldsmobile-digest@chebucto.ns.ca @ INTERNET
cc:	 
Subject:	oldsmobile-digest V1 #1763


oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, February 10 1999    Volume 01 : Number 1763



Help me please!!!!!
Olds IN '80s F-body
Torque sequence and torque readings...
Re: UNBOUNCE: Body Tag Decode
What happened to Offenhauser?
Brothers Automotive/Never Again
Re: ADMIN: Please Read re. List Services
Paint codes for 1970 cars.
Re: Big Cars
Test (Delete)
hagerty insurance
fender-top lights
NJ rumor was RE: Inter State Emission testing?
nitros 
modifying a dual snorkel
Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
Re: Olds only show and go
Re: clock conversion...........
test  dont read
Re: ADMIN: Please Read re. List Services
subscribe oldsmobile
Re: What happened to Offenhauser?
Re: Paint codes for 1970 cars.
Re: UNBOUNCE: Body Tag Decode
Re: Paint codes for 1970 cars.
RE: fender-top lights
Re: Torque sequence and torque readings...
Re: Brothers Automotive/Never Again
Re: modifying a dual snorkel
Re: NJ rumor was RE: Inter State Emission testing?
Re: Drag Racing expertise needed
Re: modifying a dual snorkel
Re: Dual Gate shifter.
Re: ADMIN: Please Read re. List Services
Re: NJ rumor was RE: Inter State Emission testing?
Re: Olds IN '80s F-body
Re: modifying a dual snorkel
Re: Olds IN '80s F-body
Re: Brothers Automotive/Never Again
Re: modifying a dual snorkel
Re: Dual Gate shifter.
Re: Olds IN '80s F-body
Re: Brothers Automotive/Never Again
KC World Of Wheels (Was Re: Lonely Olds)
speaking of dual snorkel
More Dual Gate info.
Re: ADMIN: + cool NOS stuff I received
Re: More 403 Olds help!! Again! But getting closer!
Re: Big Cars
Re: Inter State Emission testing?(long)
Re: modifying a dual snorkel
Re: modifying a dual snorkel
Re: speaking of dual snorkel
Re: modifying a dual snorkel/Hei clearance
Vendors
Re: speaking of dual snorkel
Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
LISTEN TO THIS C...
Flowmaster Mufflers
Re: modifying a dual snorkel
Zigs
71 Cutlass question

----------------------------------------------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 15:30:28 -0600 (CST)
From: "Jonah B. Kadish" <kadijon@charlie.cns.iit.edu>
Subject: Help me please!!!!!

Yahoo (YHOO) eclipsed $400.00/share a few weeks ago.  When this company
was just starting out they gave away stock as a promotional item. Nice
to have been a part of that, right?

Well, it's happening again. The company Exit23B is giving away stock,
pre-IPO. Well, this may be a chance you want to take -- the cost is
minimal, as in 1 minute of your time.

Go to this web site http://www.exit23b.com/  and fill out the form.
Please use my e-mail address kadijon@charlie.cns.iit.edu as your
referral.


Good Luck!!!


//----------------------------------------------------------------------// 
//  Jonah Kadish                      resume:                           //  
//  3361 S. wabash                    www.iit.edu/~kadijon/resume.html  //
//  Chicago, IL                       personal page:                    //
//  312-328-0694                      www.stuart.iit.edu/students/jonah // 
//----------------------------------------------------------------------//
          

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:46:56 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Olds IN '80s F-body

I was just wondering if anyone has ever done or seen a Olds motor (BB or SB)
in a mid-late '80s Camaro or Firebird.  Can they be installed (using
aftermarket engine mounts or something).  I know that a second generation
had 403 so use those mounts, but what about the third generation.  I have
never seen one and I assume that one would have to do a bit of fabrication.
The same would be for a Corvette, right.  Thanks.  Igor.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 16:00:29 -0600
From: "Norm Muelleman" <norm806@dialnet.net>
Subject: Torque sequence and torque readings...

Well, I've replaced the oil seals on 1 head..but forgot to ask...what is the
torque sequence and ft.lbs/ of torque for the cylinder heads? Also for the
manifold?

Also, do I need to pull the timing cover to replace the oil pan gasket? The
timing cover isn't leaking, and I don't want to mess with the harmonic
balancer if I can help it...

Norm (It's getting closer..the car will soon run!) Muelleman
ICQ: 3156478
norm806@dialnet.net

View my webpage at: http://members.dialnet.net/norm806
Updated 2-9-99  Now with Sound!!!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:24:30 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Body Tag Decode

I got a question for everyone. I am trying to find out what Body Paint code
is. On the body tag it has a -   - instead  of letters and numbers. Can
anyone
h*lp?

Grover
________

The "- -" paint code was used for special order colors.  For example, the
Sebring Yellow used in 1970 (as on the Rallye 350 cars) was one special
order color with the "- -" code.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:09:16 -0600
From: "Charles A. Dempsey" <cdemps@lsumc.edu>
Subject: What happened to Offenhauser?

Hi List,

Here's the latest in the dumb question series :-).

In the '60s and '70s I used Offy products. After graduating college in
'75 I got away from motorsports to concentrate on my "career" (which was
probably a bad move financially, but that's another story).

<olds content>
I once had an Offy 4X2 intake for a 455, but it got away from me.
</olds content>

This has got me wondering about the fate of the Offenhauser company.
I've searched the web and tried http://www.offenhauser.com (which is a
steel products company in Houston). I gather that they are no longer in
business.

Would somebody please fill me in?

Thanks,
Charles van Winkle (observing a belated moment of silence)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:08:48 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Brothers Automotive/Never Again

I would just like to let everyone on this list know that they should NEVER
order parts from Brothers Automotive. I ordered core support bushings for
my 72 442 and I am waiting for OVER 2 MONTHS!! Still nothing has come. I
need the core support bushings to finish off the front end. Everything is
on hold because without the core support in the car, the front end,
hood,etc. cannot be attached.

I called them everyday and they tell me they shipped in RPS a week ago. So
I called them again and they say they shipped it again and it should be at
my house for sure today. STILL NOTHING!!!
How pathetic are they?? They sure as hell took my money 2 months ago but I
have never received my supplies. Now my whole project is on hold. My new
motor, paint,etc. is on hold. I can't fire up the motor without a core
support!! 

I am beyond mad. I heard stories before about how others have gotten
shammed by Brothers but I thought that people were just talking gibberish.
Now I know...

I SAY WE ALL BOYCOTT BROTHERS AND ORDER FROM OTHER COMPANIES THAT ARE
RELIABLE>>>LEARN FROM MISTAKES>>>

Pettrix@prodigy.net

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:12:18 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Please Read re. List Services

I feel your pain, we could move this list to my list on listbot if you want,
the email address is cutlass442@listbot.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:24:32 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Paint codes for 1970 cars.

Hi list,
	a fellow wrote in a couple of days ago wondering about - paint codes.  
I wrote
him asking what the year, model, and approximate colour(s) were.  He said that
it is a 1970 442 Holiday Coupe possibly Agean Aqua?

Vin 34487OM4060??

Body Code:
ST70  34467   LAN  511164  BDY
TR 937                      -     -   PNT
     07B 

	Can anyone tell him if the dashes would be consistent with Agean 
Aqua?  Is
that the correct name for what he's describing as Agean Aqua?  His address is 
GHeath4138@aol.com if you wish to contact him or post it to the list and I'll
forward it to him.

TIA
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:23:48 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Big Cars

In a message dated 99-02-09 09:50:23 EST, you write:

<< Production auto??
 My vote:
 1959-1968 Cadillac Fleetwood 75
 149.5 (and who says nobody notices a half inch!) wheelbase and 244.5"
 overall length for the 66-68 models (I'd bet the 59-65's are longer).
 When you park one of these the back seat has another zip code >>

Does "modified" count?

SOM is now Shorter and Wider than stock.

Still bigger than any caddy in the parking lot at work!

And, btw; how many are restoring 1959-68 caddy's??

(actual spects to,orrow when Karl is sober)

SOM

&KA

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 18:43:22 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Test (Delete)

This is only a test of the emergency @#*! system.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:54:08 EST
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: hagerty insurance

i just got off the phone with one of their rep's.  they quoted me at $89. per
year.  i told them i use my car to drive to and from school.  i also explained
that i work on my car every day in school.  i told them i keep it in a carport
which i don't have.  i guess they bought everything.  the guy told me my car
was worth $7000 in fair condition.

mikeytvb@aol.com
70 442 hc

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 16:24:25 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: fender-top lights

This weekend while in the junkyards I finally figured out how those
fender top lights work.  I know that they were an option on the G-Body
cars, and I want to put them on mine.  Does anyone have these, and if
you do, can you give me the location measurements for these on an 86
CSB?  I know that they sit somewhere around the middle of the fenders,
but wouldn't want to place them incorrectly.  Also, would a crack in
these wires' insulation diminish the brightness of the lights?  
Thanks,
Brian.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 13:57:38 -0500 
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: NJ rumor was RE: Inter State Emission testing?

> My point was that, regardless of the state, a vehicle traveling in a given
> state must conform to that states motor vehicle code.  This can be safety
> (we
> look for emission related stuff here) or emissions.  Now, the question
> becomes
> what will the states enforce on out of state motorists.
> 
Since the GTO Nats are in New Jersey this year and they have rather
stringent emissions laws, there was the rumor that all people driving their
goats into NJ would be checked at the border.  If you didn't pass, you
didn't pass, literally.  You wouldn't be allowed to drive the car into the
state.  Whether there's any truth to this or any part of this rumor I don't
know.  But, like I said it was a rumor.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others including a
77 Buick LeSabre with a 72 Olds 455 that passed IL emissions testing in 1991

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 16:46:31 -0500
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: nitros 

Has anyone had any luck running an 100 hp nitros on an 11 1/2 comp olds
455 if so where you using 1/2 in studs or any thing special to keep from
pushing out head gaskets
like o ring block, copper gaskets and so on . any info would be helpful
Butch 68  442  post

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:47:37 -0500
From: "Bill Reilly" <wjreilly@erols.com>
Subject: modifying a dual snorkel

Hey everyone,

First off, I would like to thank everyone that contributed to my starter and
battery ground wire questions.  I really appreciate all the assistance I
received on that.  It puts me one step closer to my goal!

Anyway,  several months ago I purchased a '72 dual snorkel air cleaner unit
so I can rig up some kind of homemade ram air with the 'glass W-30 hood I
have.

I am using the HEI distributer with the 455, and this air cleaner does not
clear the HEI.  So I am looking for opinions on whether it would be
sacreligious to cut up this air box, so it does fit.  Am I gonna' ruin a
super rare part that Joe Olds is gonna need for his concourse resto?

Or should I see what the aftermarket has to offer.  There is some company
that advertises in Car Craft with a dual snorkel and ram air options, but I
thought it looked cheesey.

So whatcha' think??

Bill Reilly
mailto: wjreilly@erols.com
Web Page: (Not yet)

My Garage:
'83 Cutlass Ciera
'84 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (next in line)
'85 Cutlass Supreme (almost ready to roll)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 14:50:04 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???

I know t/a's with the 400 are 4-speeds, but wasn't the bandit Auto?  My 
memory fails me.

>
>
>I don't recall the 455 Olds, but some of the cars did have the 400 Pony 
in
>it....  they were 4-speed cars.  
>
>Bill K
>


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 19:52:23 -0500
From: Rebel1 <rebel1@raex.com>
Subject: Re: Olds only show and go

Scott,
    I think that sounds like a cool idea - I know I'm planning on being there
(hopefully the paint will be dry by then...)
Todd Daenzer
All the toys put away for the winter...


OLDS44272@aol.com wrote:

>             Does anyone else from the list plan to go to the Norwalk ohio
> show? Maybe we can all meet somewhere?.........SCOTT

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:01:01 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: clock conversion...........

I'm using Tachman (H&H Electric/www.tachman.com) as we speak. So far, 'not
impressed with the turnaround time. He must be swamped! He's had my tick-tock
for 3 weeks and hasn't given me an estimate yet (after quoting 2 weeks for the
whole deal).

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:37:07 +0100
From: "Trond-Jarle Pedersen" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: test  dont read

Trond-Jarle Pedersen
ICQ:15898213
mailto:trondped@c2i.net

69 F-85

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 17:50:48 -0700
From: flmont@azstarnet.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Please Read re. List Services

hey  greg, have i subscribed correctly,not  sure  y i  recievied  this  from
u , thanks  frank.

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> While majordomo is mostly automated, there are a number of things that it
> requires my intervention to handle. These are things like handling bounced
> posts (due to non-membership on the list, posts containing words related
> to list admin, etc), the ever-present "s*bscribe me", "rem*ve me", etc.,
> posts sent to either the list or elsewhere, and various other things. It
> is fairly intensive at times.
>
> Lately it seems this issue has gotten much, much worse. I have been
> inundated with bounces from non-members, and far too many requests for
> being added or removed by messages sent to the list and not majordomo --
> that is, by persons not following the simple guidelines they received when
> they signed on.
>
> This is a problem. My real job is very busy and I simply do not have the
> time it takes to babysit all of these sorts of bounced posts. So, as of
> today, I am implementing a policy of:
>
> 1. Non-member posts will generally not be "Unbounced" to the list by me,
> unless they are in need of something that makes us probably a last-resort
> option. This will end up having to be a judgement call by me.
>
> 2. Posts submitted by members that bounce because they are posting from a
> different mail address than the one under which they are s*bscribed will
> not be forwarded to the list.
>
> 3. Requests sent to the list for addition to or removal from the list will
> be processed only when time permits me to do so. I will try to handle
> these as quickly as possible but members should follow the simple commands
> given in their welcome message to manage their subscription if the request
> is urgent.
>
> 4. I will try to forward posts bounced due to use of the words majordomo
> considers needing admin attention (words such as h*lp, s*bscribe,
> uns*bscribe, fr*e, rem*ve me, a*d me) as time permits.
>
> I also want to remind members to please keep topics Olds-related, keep
> language in posts to that used in polite company, and take as much as
> possible to private email.
>
> I'm sorry for any inconvenience this may cause but the admin volume of the
> list has greatly increased to the point where this has become necessary.
> As always, please mail me direct at ab348@chebucto.ns.ca if you have any
> questions or concerns.
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:54:13 +0100
From: "Trond-Jarle Pedersen" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: subscribe oldsmobile

subcribe oldsmobile

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:26:41 -0500
From: "Bill Reilly" <wjreilly@erols.com>
Subject: Re: What happened to Offenhauser?

- -----Original Message-----
From: Charles A. Dempsey <cdemps@lsumc.edu>

>
><olds content>
>I once had an Offy 4X2 intake for a 455, but it got away from me.
></olds content>


Speaking of a 4x2 Offy intake.... there's one for sale on EBAY.  Last I
checked it was $100+ a couple of hours ago.  There's also an Edelbrock
intake on there as well, same price range.  Think it's a torker.

Bill Reilly
mailto: wjreilly@erols.com
Web Page: (Not yet)

My Garage:
'83 Cutlass Ciera
'84 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
'85 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:18:14 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmail@webtv.net (mark sopp)
Subject: Re: Paint codes for 1970 cars.

agean aqua code38/sebring yellow code51/nugget gold code 53/rally red
code 73

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:00:32 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmail@webtv.net (mark sopp)
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Body Tag Decode

my 70 442 was special order nugget gold  code 53  and is stamped on my
body plate.i have never seen a plate without a code ,i would call the
history center.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:20:22 -0500
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Paint codes for 1970 cars.

Cliff,

From the info I have Aegean Aqua was a special order color. The code for it
is 38, but the cowl tag will show only dashes. So this is correct.

Randy

>it is a 1970 442 Holiday Coupe possibly Agean Aqua?
>
>Vin 34487OM4060??
>
>Body Code:
>ST70  34467   LAN  511164  BDY
>TR 937                      -     -   PNT
>     07B
>
> Can anyone tell him if the dashes would be consistent with Agean Aqua?  Is
>that the correct name for what he's describing as Agean Aqua?  His address
is
>GHeath4138@aol.com if you wish to contact him or post it to the list and
I'll
>forward it to him.
>
>TIA
>--
>
>Cliff Simpson
>mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
>'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
>http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 20:23:40 -0500 
From: "Boccadifuoco, Roy A, GLSVC" <boccadifuoco@att.com>
Subject: RE: fender-top lights

I ordered my Cutlass with this option.  Measured 9 & 3/16" from the straight
edge of the fender.

Roy Boccadifuoco
Proud Original Owner Black '86 Cutlass Salon 

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Brian Shankle [SMTP:cshankle@home.com]
	Sent:	Monday, February 08, 1999 4:24 PM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca; olds_gbody@lostbot.com
	Subject:	fender-top lights

	This weekend while in the junkyards I finally figured out how those
	fender top lights work.  I know that they were an option on the
G-Body
	cars, and I want to put them on mine.  Does anyone have these, and
if
	you do, can you give me the location measurements for these on an 86
	CSB?  I know that they sit somewhere around the middle of the
fenders,
	but wouldn't want to place them incorrectly.  Also, would a crack in
	these wires' insulation diminish the brightness of the lights?  
	Thanks,
	Brian.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:24:39 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Torque sequence and torque readings...

>Well, I've replaced the oil seals on 1 head..but forgot to ask...what is
the
>torque sequence and ft.lbs/ of torque for the cylinder heads? Also for the
>manifold?


Don't quote me on this since I don't have my specs book with me but I
~think~ it's 70 lbs-ft.  As far as sequence, just about anything you torque
(intakes, heads, valve covers, oil pans, etc) should be done in a radial
pattern from the inside out.  It makes a lot more sense, and is easier
to use if you think of it this way.  For example an Olds head would be:

10    6    2    3    7
  9    5    1    4    8

Of course, don't disregard the factory specs, but if your in a pinch
it's nifty to remeber.
>
>Also, do I need to pull the timing cover to replace the oil pan gasket? The
>timing cover isn't leaking, and I don't want to mess with the harmonic
>balancer if I can help it...


Don't have to.  It's recommendable to pull the oil pan to get the
timing cover off (though not necessary) and the factory manual
I think says to pull the pan ~before~ the timing cover.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:35:33 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Brothers Automotive/Never Again

> I would just like to let everyone on this list know that they should NEVER
> order parts from Brothers Automotive. I ordered core support bushings for
> my 72 442 and I am waiting for OVER 2 MONTHS!! Still nothing has come. 

Pete, this is a hard lesson in economics and "who do you trust". 
Apparently, from what I can gather, B/A acts more as a parts broker,
who, once you place an order, takes your money that day, and when their
supplier comes through with the merchandise they order from THEM after
you order it, they ship it to you.  This "middleman" approach adds buku
time to the turnaround.

I hope this is the case with most of their part orders, cuz if not, they
have a serious problem on getting the parts out the door if they're in
stock.  The only reason I can say this is your story is like many others
I've heard, and like what I experienced firsthand myself.

While I have nothing personal against them, cuz they're pretty
knowledgable and friendly, whatever problem they're shipping operations
are experiencing has been going on for quite a while.  Price is not the
ONLY factor when I buy parts.  If I get good or great service, whether
real or percieved, I will spend the extra buck knowing that I'm pretty
sure I will continue to get good service.  THAT'S what brings customers
back.

OTOH, if I get sucky service more than ONCE, that is a trend, and that's
one trend I'll avoid.  Everyone makes mistakes, but how you handle them
makes all the difference.  All most of us ask for is a fair
product/service at a fair price.  Everyone wins this way.

It's fairly simple.  If you don't think you're getting your money's
worth, don't spend your money there.  SuperCars, Fusicks and Year One
are great with the service, and I don't have a problem buying from them,
even if it's a buck or two more.  I come to expect a certain methodology
from these vendors, and they always deliver what I expect, which IS the
definition of quality.

Buy from who you think you can trust.  The vendor is in reality
"working" for you.  You pay his/her salary.  If you don't elect to
"hire" them, that sends a clear message that they need to do something
to earn your business.

Sorry to make an economics lesson outta this.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:40:41 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: modifying a dual snorkel

> I am using the HEI distributer with the 455, and this air cleaner does not
> clear the HEI.  So I am looking for opinions on whether it would be
> sacreligious to cut up this air box, so it does fit.  Am I gonna' ruin a
> super rare part that Joe Olds is gonna need for his concourse resto?
> 
All I can say is it's your air cleaner.  personally, since this air
cleaner IS rare, it might not behoove you to chop it up when there are
plenty of others similar that could work.  If memory serves me, that air
cleaner came on the 71 non ram air 442 only.  and since they only made a
little over 7,000 71 442s, it's not a common part.  Toro's used a dual
snorkel in some years as well, but I'm not sure what years that entailed
or whether they were the same.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:47:27 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: NJ rumor was RE: Inter State Emission testing?

Hi Chris,
   I think that is a rumor. In fact even though the emissions were
supposedly tightened here in Jersey, everyone I've talked to so far has said
they passed easier this year than last. Go figure,
Gene


>> 
>Since the GTO Nats are in New Jersey this year and they have rather
>stringent emissions laws, there was the rumor that all people driving their
>goats into NJ would be checked at the border.  If you didn't pass, you
>didn't pass, literally.  You wouldn't be allowed to drive the car into the
>state.  Whether there's any truth to this or any part of this rumor I don't
>know.  But, like I said it was a rumor.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:19:36 EST
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Drag Racing expertise needed

Hey Matt!
    Can I assume you are going bracket racing? If so, consistency is the name
of the game, not brute HP. Build it so it does the same dang thing every
time.....then practice so that you do too.
                                                           Ron Forsee
                                                           65 442-Meister

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:39:09 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: modifying a dual snorkel

Well, Bill I modified the single snorkel on my 72 for the HEI and the
way I modified it was to use a torch to heat up the spot in the rear
of the air cleaner and used a ball peen hammer to clear out a
5 inch wide by 2 inch tall section.  With it installed you couldn't
even see it and if someone was desperate for a concours resto
they could put it back, granted though it would be a lot of work.

To look at it another way, sooner or later just about every part is
going to be desirable for a resto.  But were mainly talking 20 to
30 years down the road.  There is a difference between malicious
hacking and modifications for driveablity IMHO.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/


>I am using the HEI distributer with the 455, and this air cleaner does not
>clear the HEI.  So I am looking for opinions on whether it would be
>sacreligious to cut up this air box, so it does fit.  Am I gonna' ruin a
>super rare part that Joe Olds is gonna need for his concourse resto?
>
>Or should I see what the aftermarket has to offer.  There is some company
>that advertises in Car Craft with a dual snorkel and ram air options, but I
>thought it looked cheesey.
>
>So whatcha' think??
>
>Bill Reilly

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 19:11:56 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dual Gate shifter.

Please help a rookie.  What is a "dual gate" shifter?  What is a "his & hers"?
I keep hearing these terms... 'decided it was time to understand what they
mean. TIA
Scott
71 442 Conv.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:35:02 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: ADMIN: Please Read re. List Services

well all got it

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:41:11 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: NJ rumor was RE: Inter State Emission testing?

Sounds like a rumor to me.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:30:52 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds IN '80s F-body

I'm puttin' a Olds 350 in a 79, and my friends 85 T/A is gettin' a olds 455,
so we'll see

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:36:20 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: modifying a dual snorkel

Joe Olds? as in Companile?  Dont trash the dual snorkle!  If you need a dual
snorkle to clear the HEI, get a 74 dual snorkle...that is designed for
that....hard to find but at least you dont have to ruin another...I have had a
71 455/4spd dual snorkle aircleaner laying around my garage for 15
years...maybe you could use that. Of course its probably just as rare as the
72 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">Hot Rod Harrys 1973
Cutlass</A> 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:58:00 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Olds IN '80s F-body

Igor,
~Anything~ is possible if you want to do it bad enough (I've tubbed
a Nash Metropolitan, what a pain!).  The way I look at it is this, I don't
want to see anybody put a cheby motor in an Olds so why put an Olds
in a cheby or Poncho?  I never really liked the third gen F bodies since
they have strut front end, unibody, and cheby motors.  Kind of like 3
strikes and your out.  As to the question, I doubt anyone has done
it and it woud be a pain as the 3rd gen doesn't have as much side
clearance on the motor as the 2nd gen.  The Olds' are wider which
would make things more complicated (BB would be really tight) but
still do-able.

For motor mounts they're simple to fabricate, just find some steel tubing
large enough for the cross bolt, cut it to the length of the mounts, and
use plate steel to make a "T" type arm to weld it to.  Any kind of swap
like this is going to take a lot of fabrication, but if your comfortable
with that, have the tools, and the patience it's not that difficult to do.
Vette's would be harder to do because of space issues but still
workable.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

>I was just wondering if anyone has ever done or seen a Olds motor (BB or
SB)
>in a mid-late '80s Camaro or Firebird.  Can they be installed (using
>aftermarket engine mounts or something).  I know that a second generation
>had 403 so use those mounts, but what about the third generation.  I have
>never seen one and I assume that one would have to do a bit of fabrication.
>The same would be for a Corvette, right.  Thanks.  Igor.
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:12:33 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Brothers Automotive/Never Again

<snip>  
>OTOH, if I get sucky service more than ONCE, that is a trend, and that's
>one trend I'll avoid.  Everyone makes mistakes, but how you handle them
>makes all the difference.  All most of us ask for is a fair
>product/service at a fair price.  Everyone wins this way.
<snip>

I fully agree with Mike, as I had one bad experience with Year One,
but the way they handled it made me more than happy to overlook it.
FYI I ordered a set of tailpipes for my '72 and was very specific when
I talked to them to make sure that they were mandrel bent and not
the "crinkle bends" type.  I wasn't around when they were delivered,
and when I opened the box, they were the "crinkles" I was trying to 
avoid.  This made me very mad, but I called them up and they apologized.
They  refunded me all my money, and had UPS pick them up the
next day.  No skin off my back so nothing held against them.  Mistakes
happen to the best of us.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 07:48:45 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: modifying a dual snorkel

dont cut the aircleaner get a unit that fits off a later model there are
plenty in the yards but you dont need dual snorkels with a ram air hood...KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: Bill Reilly <wjreilly@erols.com>
To: oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; Olds G Body
<olds_gbody@listbot.com>
Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 9:27 PM
Subject: modifying a dual snorkel


>Hey everyone,
>
>First off, I would like to thank everyone that contributed to my starter
and
>battery ground wire questions.  I really appreciate all the assistance I
>received on that.  It puts me one step closer to my goal!
>
>Anyway,  several months ago I purchased a '72 dual snorkel air cleaner unit
>so I can rig up some kind of homemade ram air with the 'glass W-30 hood I
>have.
>
>I am using the HEI distributer with the 455, and this air cleaner does not
>clear the HEI.  So I am looking for opinions on whether it would be
>sacreligious to cut up this air box, so it does fit.  Am I gonna' ruin a
>super rare part that Joe Olds is gonna need for his concourse resto?
>
>Or should I see what the aftermarket has to offer.  There is some company
>that advertises in Car Craft with a dual snorkel and ram air options, but I
>thought it looked cheesey.
>
>So whatcha' think??
>
>Bill Reilly
>mailto: wjreilly@erols.com
>Web Page: (Not yet)
>
>My Garage:
>'83 Cutlass Ciera
>'84 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (next in line)
>'85 Cutlass Supreme (almost ready to roll)
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:37:58 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dual Gate shifter.

I want a dualgate, whatever it is, anyone want to give it to me, can rite it
off on their taxes

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 21:43:35 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Olds IN '80s F-body

>The way I look at it is this, I don't
>want to see anybody put a cheby motor in an Olds so why put an Olds
>in a cheby or Poncho?  I never really liked the third gen F bodies since
>they have strut front end, unibody, and cheby motors.  Kind of like 3
>strikes and your out.

I don't intend or plan to do it but just wanted to know.  I like second
generation more as well, but some of the third generation are also good.  I
don't mind the Camaro, but see no point in a Pontiac because of the Chevy
motor.  I know that some people considered Trans Ams to be a higher-scale
Camaro but I disagree.  I think that ANY car could be a very nice car
regardless of motor or brand.  I think it really depends on the owner.  Me,
I just prefer Oldses.

As to the question, I doubt anyone has done
>it and it woud be a pain as the 3rd gen doesn't have as much side
>clearance on the motor as the 2nd gen.  The Olds' are wider which
>would make things more complicated (BB would be really tight) but
>still do-able.

I thought about the space.  Not so much about the Camaro/Trans Am but about
the Corvette.  It does look rather tight under the hood.


>For motor mounts they're simple to fabricate, just find some steel tubing
>large enough for the cross bolt, cut it to the length of the mounts, and
>use plate steel to make a "T" type arm to weld it to.  Any kind of swap
>like this is going to take a lot of fabrication, but if your comfortable
>with that, have the tools, and the patience it's not that difficult to do.
>Vette's would be harder to do because of space issues but still
>workable.


If I were to ever do any kind of swap that involved fabricated engine and
trans mounts I don't think I would be intimidated.  I have a lot of tools
(both mine and my dads) and would like the work I think.  However, I would
have to say that the best way to go would be to use the motor and trans that
matched and go from there.  Any trans could be mated to any rear-end via a
simple driveshaft mods, but motor to trans would be a little tougher.  It is
not that it might be difficult, it is just that say a BB and TH400 go
together.  It is a good, proven combo.

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 08:03:09 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Brothers Automotive/Never Again

if you have an order number let me know and I will try to retrieve your part
they are local to me steven kinney is an olds club member but is still sort
of a jerk but I have been trying to get in touch with them on the phone  no
luck either busy busy or closed but if you want I will try...KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Rothe. <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Brothers Automotive/Never Again


>> I would just like to let everyone on this list know that they should
NEVER
>> order parts from Brothers Automotive. I ordered core support bushings for
>> my 72 442 and I am waiting for OVER 2 MONTHS!! Still nothing has come.
>
>Pete, this is a hard lesson in economics and "who do you trust".
>Apparently, from what I can gather, B/A acts more as a parts broker,
>who, once you place an order, takes your money that day, and when their
>supplier comes through with the merchandise they order from THEM after
>you order it, they ship it to you.  This "middleman" approach adds buku
>time to the turnaround.
>
>I hope this is the case with most of their part orders, cuz if not, they
>have a serious problem on getting the parts out the door if they're in
>stock.  The only reason I can say this is your story is like many others
>I've heard, and like what I experienced firsthand myself.
>
>While I have nothing personal against them, cuz they're pretty
>knowledgable and friendly, whatever problem they're shipping operations
>are experiencing has been going on for quite a while.  Price is not the
>ONLY factor when I buy parts.  If I get good or great service, whether
>real or percieved, I will spend the extra buck knowing that I'm pretty
>sure I will continue to get good service.  THAT'S what brings customers
>back.
>
>OTOH, if I get sucky service more than ONCE, that is a trend, and that's
>one trend I'll avoid.  Everyone makes mistakes, but how you handle them
>makes all the difference.  All most of us ask for is a fair
>product/service at a fair price.  Everyone wins this way.
>
>It's fairly simple.  If you don't think you're getting your money's
>worth, don't spend your money there.  SuperCars, Fusicks and Year One
>are great with the service, and I don't have a problem buying from them,
>even if it's a buck or two more.  I come to expect a certain methodology
>from these vendors, and they always deliver what I expect, which IS the
>definition of quality.
>
>Buy from who you think you can trust.  The vendor is in reality
>"working" for you.  You pay his/her salary.  If you don't elect to
>"hire" them, that sends a clear message that they need to do something
>to earn your business.
>
>Sorry to make an economics lesson outta this.
>
>Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:35:04 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: KC World Of Wheels (Was Re: Lonely Olds)

David,

You ought to come over to our WoW show (like you're going to drive over to
Kansas City to see a car show........), we always have 6 to 8 Oldsmobiles in
there, most of which are from the Heart Of America Chapter of OCA.  This year
we also had a rather interesting entry, someone brought in an early 60's Olds
wagon set up for drag racing.  Wished it had been powered by Olds as
well..................

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:49:19 -0700
From: Ben <olds442@primenet.com>
Subject: speaking of dual snorkel

Does anybody have a line on a dual snorkle that would be easily and cheaply I
might ad, for the olds? At this juncture, any make of dual snorkle as long as 
it
fits under the hood, sucks up the air, and cleans it too would be great. Like
the beginer of this thread I too am looking at a home made OAI system, but my
car being a 68 442, i have to go under the hood. Later I'll put scoops on and
with my 4l80E w/ gearvendors (dreaming now!) and 3.73... we're flying... (End 
of
dreams due to money problems...)

Ben


Mike Rothe. wrote:

> > I am using the HEI distributer with the 455, and this air cleaner does not
> > clear the HEI.  So I am looking for opinions on whether it would be
> > sacreligious to cut up this air box, so it does fit.  Am I gonna' ruin a
> > super rare part that Joe Olds is gonna need for his concourse resto?
> >
> All I can say is it's your air cleaner.  personally, since this air
> cleaner IS rare, it might not behoove you to chop it up when there are
> plenty of others similar that could work.  If memory serves me, that air
> cleaner came on the 71 non ram air 442 only.  and since they only made a
> little over 7,000 71 442s, it's not a common part.  Toro's used a dual
> snorkel in some years as well, but I'm not sure what years that entailed
> or whether they were the same.
>
> Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:50:38 -0500
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: More Dual Gate info.

I am interested in more info regarding the Dual Gate shifter as well.
I've seen them, but I don't understand how they work.  Actually, I don't
really know how they operate at all.  Also, along that line, there is a
'71 Cutlas SX for sale down the street.  I'm told its got a '69 455 w/ a
posi 3.23 rear.  Its not a bad looking car, but the $6000 price tag is
ridiculous.  It had a dual gate, but it was allegedly removed and sold.
There are holes in the floor and supposed linkage on the tranny.  Was
this an option for such a car...I'm not terribly familiar with the "SX"
tag.  Thanks.

Dan Gerow
'69 4-4-2
'71 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Grand Prix

- --
- ---------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
- ---------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 05:00:32 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: ADMIN: + cool NOS stuff I received

>I recently purchased a big box of NOS goodies from a dealership that
 [snip]
>I got a HUGE pair of rear shocks for I THINK a GMC/Chevy pickup too. 
>Called "Pleasurizers".  I don't know what they intended for those shocks
>with a name like that, heh heh, but they're gold in color and are
>completely sealed in shrink wrap.  And no, I don't think they require
>batteries!

heh... I think those might be the shocks for a Toronado, which use the
truck-style mounts top and bottom. My original '69 shocks had the
"Pleasurizer" label stamped into them, which I just had to smile at (can you
imagine trying to sell a set of shocks with that name today? Ah, the 60's... ;)

Anyway, check the #'s on those shocks with Everett and his parts-books. I
might be interested in them if they check out for the rear of a '69 
Toronado... 
_______________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 05:00:28 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: More 403 Olds help!! Again! But getting closer!

>Ok...I've got the engine pulled. I've pulled everything off. I pulled the
>valve covers and manifold, which I've repainted. I did notice something
>strange...chunks of black material blocking the oil drainback hole at the
>rear end of the cylinder head. I was thinking..with no where to go, the oil
>must be seeping through the valves into the cylinders..hence the extremely
>oily exhaust headers, underside of car, etc. The material looked
>plastic-like...is this carbon? It looked circular. One piece was 1/4
>circular, and appeared to have a smaller hole in the middle..who knows?
>Anyway, both oil drains were blocked. Using a small screwdriver, I removed
>the blockages....

That's not strange at all, but unfortunately very normal for Oldses. The
drainback passage is nearly horizontal, so it doesn't take much to clog it
up with coked-up oil. When you've got the heads off and the valves out (to
replace the seals, see below), rod that passage out real well with a
screwdriver and some brake-cleaner.

>Well, I'd like to replace the head gaskets as well...so, I'm just going to
>pull the cylinder heads off. Which brings up my next question.. do I loosen
>the rocker arm nuts first, then undo the cylinder heads? 

Well, you can leave them on to pull the head (except for the two center
ones, which have to be loosened to access the middle head bolt), but they
have to be removed before you install the head again. Since you're pulling
the valvesprings, you may as well remove the rockers/pivots/bridges before
removing the heads. Keep them in order so you can put them back where they
came from; a couple of egg cartons are good for this.

>And what is the
>torque sequence and torque values for the heads? 

That sequence data should be available in any shop manual/Chilton's/Motor
manual. For the 1/2" head bolts, I believe it's 130ft/lbs with the bolt
threads and head dipped in oil before installation.

Also, being a Poncho
>man...what are the metal pieces between the rocker arms? Are these factory
>girdles?

Those are called bridges, and they locate the rocker pivot (or in the
earlier designs, are integral to the pivots) to keep the rocker from walking
off the valvestem tip.

>Also, since the heads will be off, how do I replace the oil seals on the
>valves...never messed with valves before...

With the heads off, get a valvespring compressor (I prefer the big C-type
compressor, compress the retainer, remove the split valve locks, release the
compressor, remove the retainer and spring, pull off the old seal (this
would be a good time to see if the valve seat is burnt), push on the new
seal, slide the spring and retainer back over the stem, compress it, install
the split locks, then release the compressor and move onto the next spring.
By the 16th valve you'll be a pro at it!
_______________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 05:00:24 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Big Cars

>What was the biggest car produced?  
>
>  My 1975 Delta 88 is 226.9 inches long with a 124 in. wheelbase.
>
>The '75 98 was 232.4 in. long with 127 in. wheelbase.
>
>Anybody got some stats for me?

Well, those '71-'76 B/C bodies were some of the longest, but of course
Cadillac got the award for the longest wheelbase with its Seventy-Five sedan
of that era: 151.5" wheelbase, and a total length of over 250", as it came
from the factory. Oh, I'd suppose it would also win the heavyweight
contender as well, as the 130" wheelbase 62-series Caddy carried around
5100lbs (which even beats out my '69 Toro, that was just over 5000lbs).

The widest, though, goes I believe to the 1960 Mercurys, which were
technically illegal to drive on the road in many states since they exceeded
the maximum allowable width for a passenger vehicle. The cars of that era
were definitely widest, as my '60 Pontiac was a good foot shorter, but at
least a half-foot wider, than my "downsized" '78 Electra, when compared
side-by-side.

Still, my Electra does dwarf many of the cars on the road today, and other
people look at my wife funny when she says she loves driving our Grand
Wagoneer because it's so small... 
_______________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 05:00:20 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?(long)

>> By then this will be Communist America and we will all
>>get our monthly rashions from our govenment supporter and commute to our
 [snip]
>....And I thought I had a fatalist streak....Conjures up memories
>of an old movie I saw a long time ago.  Seems to me the story
>line was something like the above and had a kid and his dad.
>Ole dad had a car stashed away in the rafters or something
>and him and the kid drove cross country in it.  Think it was some
>kind of open wheel race car.  Anybody remember this movie?
>Think it came out in the 70's gas crunch era.

You're not talking about the movie with Lee Majors driving a Porshe 917
after personal transportation is outlawed, by siphoning gas from the bottom
of abandoned gasoline tanks at the shut-down service stations? 

Final line of the movie (after Majors makes it to "Free California" [yeah,
_that'd_ be the one state free from government control...], and the
"authorities" realize they've lost): "This will set us all the way back to
the 80's..."

As for the all-powerful government... I'm not shaking in my boots just yet,
as the factionalism at every level of government keeps them from agreeing on
any substantive positions. That doesn't mean that I haven't got a book on
distilling my own alcohol fuel if the pumps run dry...
_______________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:44:38 EST
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: modifying a dual snorkel

In a message dated 2/9/99 11:24:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
hurstolds@xtalwind.net writes:

<< I am using the HEI distributer with the 455, and this air cleaner does not
 > clear the HEI.  So I am looking for opinions on whether it would be
 > sacreligious to cut up this air box, so it does fit.  Am I gonna' ruin a
 > super rare part that Joe Olds is gonna need for his concourse resto? >>

hows about a late model camaro/corvette dual snorkel air cleaner?  those arent
too hard to find.....  just a thought
jeremy
BIGJERMES@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:03:54 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: modifying a dual snorkel

YOu have a 71 Dual snorkel? I'll buy it! I want a dual snorkel baddd!

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:04:40 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: speaking of dual snorkel

Personally, I would just fabricate my own as the cheapest method.  The only
advantage to using a stock one is if you use the flapper valves for warm up.
All you would have to do is take a single snorkel one, cut off the snorkel,
and make your snorkels (does anybody else think that work is absurd?)
from 1/16" or 1/32" sheet steel and your in business.  Plus they would
flow better since you could make them huge.  As for something you could
find easily, check out the mustang/t-birds/cougars that were carb'd.  The
HO versions all had dual snorkels, I believe.  Didn't the monte carlo ss'
have em too?

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/



>Does anybody have a line on a dual snorkle that would be easily and cheaply
I
>might ad, for the olds? At this juncture, any make of dual snorkle as long
as it
>fits under the hood, sucks up the air, and cleans it too would be great.
Like
>the beginer of this thread I too am looking at a home made OAI system, but
my
>car being a 68 442, i have to go under the hood. Later I'll put scoops on
and
>with my 4l80E w/ gearvendors (dreaming now!) and 3.73... we're flying...
(End of
>dreams due to money problems...)
>
>Ben

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 23:58:30 EST
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: modifying a dual snorkel/Hei clearance

If I needed clearance for an HEI and had to start pounding on valuable dual
snorkel air cleaners to get it---greatly diminishing value--I'd have a regular
distributor rebuilt with the electronic hdwe inside. Stock looking
distributor, HEI performance, unmolested valuable air cleaner.

Have a place out here in SoCal that builds them for me called
'Ignitioneering'.

Peter
coupeking

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:21:24 EST
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Vendors

Group-
In the process of restoring and keeping running my fleet of Olds' I've learned
a bit about most of the suppliers out there. 

Brother's is not a bad outfit and their prices are the best, but they are not
always fast enough get the parts out. I use them for stuff like interiors,
seat coverings, door panels and carpets. All the vendors use the same outfits
to supply them, and Brother's prices are much better. I expect to wait and
plan ahead.

Year one has the best service by far and their prices are always 10-15% higher
than anybody else. If I need something quickly, I use them. 

Fusicks does most of the reproduction parts that everybody else sells. If I
need a set of '69 442 grilles or '66 442 taillight lenses, I watch Fusick's
for their sales. Also needn't be afraid to ask these guys for a discount on
parts you know they make.

Here in SoCal I've also had good luck with OPG--Original Parts Group--in
Huntington Beach. They do Chevy and Pontiac stuff, and occasionally when I
tell them I'm ordering for an Oldsmobile I'll get some confusion and attitude
from them. But 'A' body stuff is often the same across GM boundaries. Their
prices reflect the greater numbers of Chevs out here and the larger volumes
they sell--i.e. cheaper. And I find a lot of parts--like A pillar pads--here
that none of the Olds exclusive guys carry.  But with these guys I've gotta
know what I'm ordering. They won't know that that Monte Carlo armrest they
sell is exactly the one i need for my '67 CS rag, but I do.

To summarize, my experience is that all the vendors I use have their positives
and negatives. I understand that and use that knowledge for my benefit. Don't
get mad, just spend smart.

Peter 
coupeking

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:35:19 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@rbnet.com>
Subject: Re: speaking of dual snorkel

Mike Bloomer wrote:
> 
> Personally, I would just fabricate my own as the cheapest method.  The only
> advantage to using a stock one is if you use the flapper valves for warm up.
> All you would have to do is take a single snorkel one, cut off the snorkel,
> and make your snorkels (does anybody else think that work is absurd?)
> from 1/16" or 1/32" sheet steel and your in business.  

Or if you want it to look factory cut the snorkel off another aircleaner
and pop rivet, weld, or possibly JB weld it in place.  You'd get to keep
the flapper valve if you wanted it too.  It'd be the cheapes way to keep
it looking stock.  You can buy junk single snorkel aircleaners all day
long for less than $20 a pop.  All the dual-snorkel aircleaners I've
seen in the junkyard were about $350 and came with a 305 chevy bolted
underneath them. :)  Last time I checked I think they were about $170
new from the dealer, lid not included.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:31:06 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???

This happened in 79.



  At some point the Pontiac 400 was a four speed
>only deal
>while the 403 went to automatic cars.  This was the period of using up 
the
>last of the
>Pontiac engines before we all got stuck with the corporate sbc in f 
bodies.  I
>am grateful
>we still had Olds engines a while longer, even though they were small 
ones.
>
>Dave Wyatt
>70  4-4-2
>
>


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 9 Feb 1999 22:38:29 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: LISTEN TO THIS C...

Today at school (University of Calgary), a group of environmentalists put a
protest ticket on a bunch of windshields (kinda like a Parking ticket).
Basically condemning driving, telling us that we are killing the ozone, etc.
I have no problem with that, BUT.....I got one and my friend got one.  I
drive a '81 Regency which has a 307 in great shape, 2.56 gears and OD.  It
is also PROPANE powered (and has a sticker) which makes it much more
environment friendly then most gas car regardless of size.  My friend drives
a '79 GMC truck with a newer 350.  So, we decided to look around campus and
see what cars got this sticker.  Guess what, all older, big American cars
and all NA trucks.  Not just boats like mine, but even mid '80s and early
'90s cars.  The only excluded NA cars were new Sunfires, Neons, GEOs, etc.
NOT ONE JAP CRAP got this.  NOT ONE.  There is tons of them at my school
that blow blue smoke so bad that it is difficult to drive behind them.  THEY
DON'T POLLUTE!?  No Japanese truck got one either.  The pamphlet did not say
anything about the type of car, but about pollution in general.  It
condemned ALL and ANY vehicle pollution.  SO WHY did only we get it.
Tomorrow I am going to talk to Campus security and see who puts this up,
then go have a little word with them.  I bet most of them drive and I bet
the one responsible for this drives a HONDA.  Hmmm, maybe I will ask him to
go for a race and then demolition derby against my Delta, after which we can
go for a sniff test and see who uses OIL.  Can't WAIT.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23 posi)
1981 98 Regency (307/200-4R/propane)

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 21:49:59 -0800
From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@san.rr.com>
Subject: Flowmaster Mufflers

Hate to send this to all but here goes...
I just removed my Flowmaster mufflers and replaced them with Dynomax
mufflers and I had an individual that wants them but I seem to have lost
his e-mail address.  If he's out there drop me a line and we can again
discuss the price and shipping.  Thanks.

- --
Chris Miller
'68 442
San Diego, CA
mailto:cya442@san.rr.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:49:36 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: modifying a dual snorkel

As a note...Olds had a dual snorkle air cleaner on the 73 455/4spds., on the
73 Hurst Olds L77 W46 455 auto., and on the 74 Hurst Olds W30 455. They are
opposite in configuration than the 71-72s.(as in long snorkle is on the left
side of the car instead of the right. 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">Hot Rod Harrys 1973
Cutlass</A> 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:56:13 -0600
From: steven@purplemonkey.com (Steven Saraceno)
Subject: Zigs

Just drove down south Harlem Avenue in Chicago, "Zigs" the local
drive-in for muscle cars was demolished, anyone from here know if it is
being rebuilt or gone forever.  Where do I go now?

Steven
70 W-30 convertible

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:03:04 -0700
From: Mike Tedquist <tedquist@uswest.net>
Subject: 71 Cutlass question

I smell gas in my garage after parking my olds in it.  The smell goes
away after several hours.  My wife is afraid the garage may explode.
Any ideas on a cure.

It has a olds 350 engine.  All original except the carb, an Edelbrock
600 cmf and open air element.

------------------------------

End of oldsmobile-digest V1 #1763
*********************************

