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oldsmobile-digest      Friday, January 22 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1728



Thermostats, is there a difference?
86 Cutlass Rallye gauges
Re: It's in the dash, I think (was "Can something discharge abattery  when 
switch is "off"?)
Re: 86 Cutlass Rallye gauges
Re: 371 in a 215?? was: 3[9]4 in a 79???
Re: Plastic Gauge Lenses -- How to Polish
Re: Resistor Wire terminal; hot in run *and* start?
Re: Parts I found in local Classic salvage yard
Re: Plastic Gauge Lenses -- How to Polish
Re: "gen" light on
Re: "gen" light on
Confused parts clerks
Re: 86 Cutlass Rallye gauges
Re: 86 Cutlass Rallye gauges
Re: 86 Cutlass Rallye gauges
68/69 sport wheel
Re: Plastic Gauge Lenses -- How to Polish
Re: 68/69 sport wheel
Re: Rally Pack Talk & Rebuilder Suggestions/References
1970 W31 convertible
Corvette/High Performance Swap Meet in Puyallup, WA
Re 71 ID
Speedo Trans Adapter
Re: 68/69 sport wheel
Re: HEI Question and comment (not trying to run this in the ground...but)
Re: Looking for '68 4-bbl vacuum break
UNBOUNCE: 1964 Dynamic 88 for sale in chicago!
Re: Speedo Trans Adapter
blast cabinet Qs
Re: Confused parts clerks
Re: 1970 W31 convertible
Re: blast cabinet Qs
Re: UNBOUNCE: '65 Dynamic 88 FS (Phila, Pa.)
Fw: Vega
Re: UNBOUNCE: '65 Dynamic 88 FS (Phila, Pa.)
Re: 68 W30 Hone Overdrive?
Re: 371 in a 215?? was: 3[9]4 in a 79???
Re: 1970 W31 convertible
Re: 30th Anniversary Cutlass F/S
Re: Boring early 400 block
Speakers for a 75 C/S
Re: Plastic Gauge Lenses -- How to Polish
Re: 371 in a 215?? was: 3[9]4 in a 79???
Re: stealing was hei
Re: HEI Question and comment (not trying to run this in the ground...but)
215 info
Re: stealing was hei
Re: Confused parts clerks
Re: stealing was hei
Opinions on Ga BB heads.
215 Turbo Info
Re: Opinions on Ga BB heads.
info
Re: 215 info
Re: stealing was hei
Re: info (helen early)
no tick tock
Re: Confused parts clerks
Re: stealing was hei
Re: Speakers for a 75 C/S
Re: 86 Cutlass Rallye gauges
Re: It's in the dash, I think (was 
Carb Spacer, Status
Re: info (helen early)/disconnected/new #
Olds History Center procedures
Re: stealing was hei

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 14:23:26 -0800
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Thermostats, is there a difference?

Hey all,
	After seeing a few threads about thermostats and such, I was
wondering why you would use a Robert-Shaw Thermostat over any one at the
local parts store?  The name is new to me...


- -Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 17:57:52 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: 86 Cutlass Rallye gauges

While looking for the F41 Equipped Cutlass in the junkyard this
afternoon (needed something to do this weekend while it is raining--darn
car has been sold) I found an 86 Salon.  Horrible interior, only the
base of the console still there at best, rusted doors, both windows
down, and two cars stacked on top of it.  The two cars on top of it
pretty much make it impossible to get the F41 out of it, which it has,
but it still has the Rallye Gauges.  The guy that runs the place
wouldn't charge more than $20-$30 for it, and it only has 4k fewer mile
than mine (137K).  I know that these rallye gauges have a pretty bad
reputation, but it will be worth the money and trouble if there is a way
to make them work (that is, clean the contacts or get a new individual
gauge from GM (Anyone know if they are still available?).  Also, the
tachometer needle reads 2,000 RPM.  I am pretty sure the engine wasn't
spinning that fast while it was just sitting there, even though the key
WAS in the ignition.  Anyone know if this is fixable?  I really want
these gauges.

Also, how much of a prblem is it to do the switcheroo with these gauges
from a regular set?  Any sensors need to be changed?  Any extra wiring? 
I am hoping not too difficult but please be honest ;-)
Brian.

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:10:54 -0500 (EST)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: It's in the dash, I think (was "Can something discharge abattery  
when switch is "off"?)

Wonder if this could be a reason the tach doesn't work??


At 02:56 PM 1/21/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>Your tach. is probably wired incorrectly.  To be precise, the ground is
>probably running to a wire that has +12v.  When the light switch is on both
>sides are equal and the tach. light is off (no electrical differential to 
power
>it).  When the light switch is turned off the power comes from the incorrect
>+12 source and the other items on the same circuit act as ground.
>
>I would disconnect the tach. ground and make sure it's going to a true ground
>and see if that helps.  If you don't get any light then you may want to check
>that it is getting the correct power on the power lines (ones probably +12
>ignition key switched and the other is 0 to +12 from the dash lights).
>

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:08:05 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: 86 Cutlass Rallye gauges

In a message dated 1/21/99 2:59:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, cshankle@home.com
writes:

<< Also, the
 tachometer needle reads 2,000 RPM.  I am pretty sure the engine wasn't
 spinning that fast while it was just sitting there, even though the key
 WAS in the ignition.  Anyone know if this is fixable?  I really want
 these gauges.
  >>

      normal for the tach to read that way...turn the key on with a battery it
should "0" out. Darn..and I needed a new body/frame for my '86 Salon : (
Another great car down the drain. Dorian

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 18:13:26 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 371 in a 215?? was: 3[9]4 in a 79???

I owned a 63 Cutlass for many years with the 215 engine. There are a couple of
companys that make high performance parts for them and remember the Range
Rover is still using that basic engine design today, so fuel injection is an
option now on those engines. They bought the rights for that motor in 64.That
engine compartment is definitely not set up for larger sized motors being they
are unibody cars and the frame rails will not allow it without alot of
fabricating.... Hot Rod Harry from NJ 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">1973 Olds Cutlass 455
4speed</A> 

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 00:42:18 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Plastic Gauge Lenses -- How to Polish

happich works extremely well it is called simichrome polish yellow and
purple tube or can griots or harley shops sell it
- -----Original Message-----
From: Chris Zimmerman <CZimmerman@KVOA.com>
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 2:30 AM
Subject: RE: Plastic Gauge Lenses -- How to Polish


>Meguier's also makes a polish for the clear plexiglas face shields on
>motorcycle helmets. You can imagine how important it is to keep the
>scratches out of those. I tried it on my Olds' instrument lenses and it
>worked real well. I found a bottle of it at a local motorcycle parts
>store. Have patience though, good results take a little bit of elbow
>grease.
>
>Good luck,
>Chris
>
>'67 442
>'69 Vista Cruiser
>'57 Chevy
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com [mailto:CPEARLPARK@aol.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 5:41 PM
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Plastic Gauge Lenses -- How to Polish
>
>
>Any tips on products or methods to use to remove scratches..?  These
>things
>cost way too much (for what they are) to replace.  Bought some Meguire's
>#10
>something or other and it's nowhere near aggressive enough.  Got a
>Dremel tool
>for Christmas and was hoping some sort of compound would work with that
>to do
>the job. TIA.
>Scott
>71 442 Conv.

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:06:12 EST
From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Resistor Wire terminal; hot in run *and* start?

 Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca> writes:
When 
>starting the
>regular voltage drops to 9 or 10 and the resisted voltage drops down 
>to about
>5v.

When cranking my car, the voltmeter drops to about 10 volts, so the
ignition doesn't get a full 12 volts on start up, anyway.

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:06:12 EST
From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Parts I found in local Classic salvage yard

Is the Torker a single or dual plane manifold?

Dave Paulison       1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida   1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

On Wed, 20 Jan 1999 20:54:52 EST GT5726@aol.com writes:
>  Hey people!
>         I found a pretty old Edelbrock Torker intake on a Olds in a 
>local
>yard today. The owner said I could have it for $50 if I wanted 
>it...anyone
>interested? It is for a small block. Also the same car had headers on 
>it
>too...those can be had for $20.
>
>Collyn Eastham
>65 442
>65 Cutlass
>

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:06:12 EST
From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Plastic Gauge Lenses -- How to Polish

CPEARLPARK@aol.com writes:

>Any tips on products or methods to use to remove scratches..?  

Well, I've used Mother's Mag & Aluminum Polish on the headlight bezels of
my wife's 93 Eclipse and they look great.  They're harder plastic, I
think, than the gauge lenses, though; it might scratch them.

Dave Paulison       1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida   1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:06:11 EST
From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@juno.com>
Subject: Re: "gen" light on

 GT5726@aol.com writes:

>   Check the "feild" wires going into the back of the alternator. My 
>65
>Cutlass does this sometimes. Other then the annoying "gen" 
>light...alls fine.

Are those the two wires that attach to the alternator with that little
plug?  My plug was replaced at some time in the past; maybe the wires
were reversed when it was replaced?  Will the alternator & charging
system work with the wires switched?

Dave Paulison       1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida   1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:06:11 EST
From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@juno.com>
Subject: Re: "gen" light on

 "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM> writes:

>        The "gen" light came on in my 67'
>Cutlass........replaced voltage regulator
>and alternator......."gen" light still on...
>Volt gauge show 14.5 ..... have no amp
>gage........car starts and runs fine....
>any clues ?????

The one in my '69 has been on for years now.  When it first came on, I
replaced all the above (alternator, regulator, etc), but it failed to go
out.  The car runs fine, makes 14+ volts when running.  Mine glows dimly,
and gets brighter as the gas tank empties, or when the emergency brake is
put on, or if I short the 'HOT' or 'OIL' leads.  All those idiot lights
are in the same cluster, so I figure it's a bad ground or a loose wire
somewhere common to all of them.

Dave Paulison       1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida   1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:06:11 EST
From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@juno.com>
Subject: Confused parts clerks

How's this:

Whenever I go to the local Auto Zone for parts, I have to ask for parts
for a newer Cutlass (like a 72).  Most of the time, their computer lists
parts for my 69 as not available (motor mounts, voltage regulator, etc),
but they list parts for the 72.  Duh.  I don't seem to have this problem
at other parts stores...

>I've tried asking for parts for my 80 Calais and I get the same line: 
>They didn't make a Calais that year.  I just ask for Cutlass Supreme
>parts now.  

Dave Paulison       1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida   1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:13:43 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: 86 Cutlass Rallye gauges

hell guys if they don't work give me a call have two of them (1 for a floor
shift and 1 for a column shift) id sell for 25 each. Chris

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:33:46 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: 86 Cutlass Rallye gauges

Yeah, it's really sad but if its any consolation, this car appeared to
be pretty much down the drain before it hit the yard.  It hadn't been
wrecked though.  Lots of NJ road salt, but that's about it.  Mine is in
worse shape visibly (at least on the outside).  NOt the first wheel on
it, but that's good.  At least someone is using them.
Brian.

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 1/21/99 2:59:19 PM Pacific Standard Time, 
cshankle@home.com
> writes:
> 
> << Also, the
>  tachometer needle reads 2,000 RPM.  I am pretty sure the engine wasn't
>  spinning that fast while it was just sitting there, even though the key
>  WAS in the ignition.  Anyone know if this is fixable?  I really want
>  these gauges.
>   >>
> 
>       normal for the tach to read that way...turn the key on with a battery 
it
> should "0" out. Darn..and I needed a new body/frame for my '86 Salon : (
> Another great car down the drain. Dorian

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 19:38:55 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: 86 Cutlass Rallye gauges

Even better.  I would need the one for the column shift, plus the
wires.  Where are you located?
Brian.

SOMMERVLLE@aol.com wrote:
> 
> hell guys if they don't work give me a call have two of them (1 for a floor
> shift and 1 for a column shift) id sell for 25 each. Chris

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:40:15 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: 68/69 sport wheel

I was in the yard the other day and ran across a buick skyhawk and did a
doulbe take at the steering wheel. It looked like a 68/9 sportwheel with out
the wood and a blue in color grip. Is it possible or is it a buick wheel? I
can get it for 50 bucks and may just pick it up. has anyone else seen one of
these? let me know. Thanks Chris

CHRIS SOMMERVILLE
69 442SC
84 H/O

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2099 19:41:45 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Plastic Gauge Lenses -- How to Polish

Most of the liquid scratch removers for auto paints also work on plastic. My
favorite is called "Safe Cut", made by the Wax Shop. Standard item at auto
parts stores.

I'd avoid the Dremel tho - it's easy to melt plastic when power buffing.

drc

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 19:54:32 EST
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68/69 sport wheel

Chris-
The sport wheel can be found in Buicks. Got a pristine wood one out of a '68
Skylark last month. Same wheel also is found in Corvettes at 4 times the
price.
Peter

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:07:57 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rally Pack Talk & Rebuilder Suggestions/References

In a message dated 1/21/99 11:13:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
sreed@chatsworth.com writes:

<< Since I am in the middle of restifying  my 4-4-2, has anyone had any of
 their rally packs restified?  If so were you happy and by who and how much?
 I remember seeing a guy in Hemmings.  I'd really like to have the clock
 rebuilt, but mostly the tin shells/casings (Exterior surface) glass beaded
 and painted. >>

The guy I got my car from had everything done by Clock Doc.  The speedo, all
gauges, tach and clock were all either repaired or rebuilt and the lenses were
restored.  The cost was $511.  They work and look great.

Their number is 800-411-4074 and web site is
http://www.thomasregister.com/clockdoc

Hope this helps.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:12:26 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: 1970 W31 convertible

I was wondering if there was a w31 convertible made for 1970 ? I have a book
called Oldsmobile Performance from Prescription Performance, and at the back
of the book it has production figures for the different Cutlass options. It
just states that it is N/A, has anybody have production numbers for this car
Would this be one of the lowest production Cutlasses.
Also does anybody know if there is an update to the book that I have. I have
only ever seen the one that I have.
It gives all the specs. on how to build your Olds engines, but the part
numbers are out of date.

Thanks
Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:19:37 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Corvette/High Performance Swap Meet in Puyallup, WA

      Hey everyone...just letting the list members in the WA area that 13-14
is the swap meet at the Puyallup fairgrounds. I've got a booth (C210) so if
anyone goes, drop by and say hi. Usually lots of vendors, and not just
Corvette. Mostly parts for cool GM cars, some truck stuff too. Never looked
for Oldsmobile stuff before at the meet..last time I was there was before I
got smart and bought an Olds : ) Dorian

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:24:14 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re 71 ID

Sorry for getting on this topic late but I was just looking through my 1971
sales booklet and it states that
the L32 455 was available for the Cutlass Supreme. Not sure if that is just
on the SX though as it does not
break it down.

Thanks
Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:54:42 -0500
From: Scott & Sharon <jerdan@erols.com>
Subject: Speedo Trans Adapter

Does anyone know a source for speedometer transmission adapters.  I
recently changed out the 3.42 rear for a 3.91 (from a 68 W-30).  The 70
service manual calls for an adapter (.866).  Incedently, the 3.91s
really perked up my 1/4 mile performance.  Also, Supercars differential
kit worked  great when I rebuilt the new rear, thanks Greg.

Scott Jerdan
70 W-30 4-spd

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:56:16 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: 68/69 sport wheel

On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 SOMMERVLLE@aol.com wrote:
> I was in the yard the other day and ran across a buick skyhawk and did a
> doulbe take at the steering wheel. It looked like a 68/9 sportwheel with out
> the wood and a blue in color grip. Is it possible or is it a buick wheel? I
> can get it for 50 bucks and may just pick it up. has anyone else seen one of
> these? let me know. Thanks Chris

Are you talking about a Skyhawk from the late 70's or newer? If so, while
the wheel may look similar at first glance, I seriously doubt it would be
a good match for the '68. It may physically fit, but the '68 column is
significantly thinner than the '69 and up (due to the adoption of ignition
on the column in '69) and so the hub probably will not match. That's why
the '68 wheel is different from the '69, and then they changed it again in
'70. I'm still looking for a nice '68 sport wheel.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 20:56:23 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: HEI Question and comment (not trying to run this in the 
ground...but)

In a message dated 1/21/99 9:58:17 AM Central Standard Time,
nurelic@primenet.com writes:

<< By pocketing do you mean you STOLE parts they would probably have gave you?
 Then bragged about it.  What has become of our country????   :-( >>
   No . I didn't steal these "pocket parts"...The problem with this country is
IDIOTS take everything outta context and always assume the worst!

Collyn Eastham
65 442
65 Cutlass

P.S. Flame NOT intended, but if you are an idiot, you probably will be
insullted anyway...:)

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:09:41 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Looking for '68 4-bbl vacuum break

Just to follow up... someone suggested I check Carbs Unlimited, and they
do indeed have these, for the princely sum of $7.99... I then checked my
local parts house, and they can get them too! Common as dirt, apparently.
First time I ever had a place like Fusick's not sell me something because
it was too easy to find... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:11:42 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 1964 Dynamic 88 for sale in chicago!

Forgot to forward this earlier... respond to kadijon@charlie.iit.edu if
interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"Jonah B. Kadish" <kadijon@charlie.cns.iit.edu>
Subject: Re: 1964 Dynamic 88 for sale in chicago! (fwd)

Hi I just wanted to send out a little note to let people I am selling a 64
dynamic 88 in pretty good shape
(you can see it at http://www.442.com/jonah.html ).
I will consider any resonable offer so don't be shy!!!! Please e-mail me
if you or someone you know might be interested. 

				Thanks,
				   Jonah Kadish
				   kadijon@charlie.iit.edu	


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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:21:00 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Speedo Trans Adapter

In a message dated 1/21/99 5:58:10 PM Pacific Standard Time, jerdan@erols.com
writes:

<< Does anyone know a source for speedometer transmission adapters.  I
 recently changed out the 3.42 rear for a 3.91 (from a 68 W-30).  The 70
 service manual calls for an adapter (.866).  Incedently, the 3.91s
 really perked up my 1/4 mile performance.  Also, Supercars differential
 kit worked  great when I rebuilt the new rear, thanks Greg.
 
 Scott Jerdan
 70 W-30 4-spd >>

      GM trucks used them for quite awhile..anyone know if they correlate to
the cars? Would be an easier way to get the speedo correct...Dorian

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 21:11:14 -0600
From: Dan Williams <442much@plutonium.net>
Subject: blast cabinet Qs

I'm thinking of buying a cheap blast cabinet from Harbor freight.  They
have a Central Pneumatic 25.5"Wx22"Hx17.25"D benchtop cabinet for $89 on
sale.  I have used a professional full size cabinet and it was great.
I'm wondering how well these smaller and cheaper cabinets work.  Can I
use my shop vac for a dust collector, or do I need a real dust
collector?  Is this cabinet worth it?  Is there anything else better for
under $200?  Any suggestions welcome.

TIA,

Dan
- --
Dan Williams                            442Much@plutonium.net
Marion, IA                                     68 442 Convertible

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:27:18 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Confused parts clerks

Dave Paulison wrote:

> How's this:
>
> Whenever I go to the local Auto Zone for parts, I have to ask for parts
> for a newer Cutlass (like a 72).  Most of the time, their computer lists
> parts for my 69 as not available

Had the same experience when I tried to get a new choke pull-off for my
Cutlass the first year I had it.  Auto Zone: "Not available."  Another
store, this one a local store: "Got it in stock, should I hold it for you?"
That's why I stick with the local stores.  Even scarier is one of the Pep
Boys stores in Fairfax, Virginia.  About a month ago, as I was buying
something that the clerk didn't have to think about -- a spool of wire, I
overheard another clerk explain to a customer that he didn't have the parts
for the Air Brake System (his explanation of the abbreviation, ABS) in his
Honda.  Yup, I got the shivers, too.  I thought, "This I gotta see." So, I
followed the clerk out to "check out" the car.  Nope, didn't see an air
compressor anywhere.  The world is a scary place.--
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:11:58 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1970 W31 convertible

In a message dated 1/21/99 8:25:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
kgrant442@home.com writes:

<< I was wondering if there was a w31 convertible made for 1970 ? I have a
book
 called Oldsmobile Performance from Prescription Performance, and at the back
 of the book it has production figures for the different Cutlass options. It
 just states that it is N/A, has anybody have production numbers for this car
 Would this be one of the lowest production Cutlasses.
 Also does anybody know if there is an update to the book that I have. I have
 only ever seen the one that I have.
 It gives all the specs. on how to build your Olds engines, but the part
 numbers are out of date.
  >>

According to Oldsmobile Muscle Cars by William Holder & Phillip Kunz there
were no W-31 convertibles built in 1970.  They published the following numbers
for 1970 W-31s

F-85 club coupe              207
Cutlass club coupe         116
Cutlass hardtop coupe  1,029
Total                            1,352

According to the book, the only year there was a W-31 convertible was 1969
with a total of  26.

Year One has the same info in their catalog.

Hope this helps.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:14:49 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: blast cabinet Qs

In a message dated 1/21/99 10:12:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,
442much@plutonium.net writes:

<< 
 I'm thinking of buying a cheap blast cabinet from Harbor freight.  They
 have a Central Pneumatic 25.5"Wx22"Hx17.25"D benchtop cabinet for $89 on
 sale.  I have used a professional full size cabinet and it was great.
 I'm wondering how well these smaller and cheaper cabinets work.  Can I
 use my shop vac for a dust collector, or do I need a real dust
 collector?  Is this cabinet worth it?  Is there anything else better for
 under $200?  Any suggestions welcome.
 
 TIA, >>
  I bought a cabinet about that same size and hate it, its great for real
small stuff but cant do hood hinges, ex manifolds or anything that size. its
only good for small hand held pieces.

Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 04:33:44 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '65 Dynamic 88 FS (Phila, Pa.)

> Hi my name is martin kane, I live in Philadelphia Pa. and have an Oldsmobile
> Dynamic 88 for sale it is a 1965 with a 425 v8 under the hood, it 
 [snip]
>COULD have the 10.5:1 comp 375hp Starfire 425 engine with forged crank and
>s.p. TH400 standard.

Or the 9:1 comp 310hp 425 engine, with forged crank and s.p. TH400 standard
(both of which came with the big-car 425's).

I'd love a big mid-60's coupe, but I'd need to buy another acre just to park
it... :)

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:51:14 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Fw: Vega

TO ALL ON THE LIST!!
ED BINNEX is now the proud owner of a 1973 Vega, picked it up today, he
will be home tomorrow afternoon. He sleeping
tonite in Fairview Heights, Ill. I unloaded the Vega on the poor guy this
afternoon. IT actually started after 22 months of storage, he is taking it
back to southeastern KY. His address is below, I would hope we could
saturate him with kudos or condolences as it's his now!  He's really a
great guy, runs the Salvation Army down there. Will use the car to teach
socially disadvantaged kids how to be more self reliant. Just thought we
could saturate him with email about his butt being struck with a Vega!! Joe
P. You had a Vega, help him out, we had dinner, he paid, really I should
have since he took it the darn thing, could you fill him on the necessary
info on Vegas, and their upkeep.
Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net
 
- ----------
> From: Edward Binnix <comid@jellico.com>
> To: lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:54:24 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: '65 Dynamic 88 FS (Phila, Pa.)

how much?

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:42:57 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 68 W30 Hone Overdrive?

Joe,
     You said that your car had a Hone OD unit installed by a previous
owner.  What was this exactly, I've never heard of it.  I assume that it
was
totally aftermarket, not a dealer option?
_________

Correct.  Equivalent to today's GearVendors OD unit.  A separate unit that
mounts at the back end of the trans.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:48:45 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 371 in a 215?? was: 3[9]4 in a 79???

Unfortunately most of Karl's Olds-related tests have been moved, but I (uh,
... he!) think(s) that there was one model or more that had the 215 and 394
as options (Dynamic?), as Setting the Pace lists those as the only two
motors available.
__________

Nope, sorry Karl, but the 215 was never used in any body other than the
61-63 F-85 (and it's Buick and Poncho bretheren).  I suspect you may be
thinking of the 64 full-size cars (the Jetstar?) which were available with
both the 330 small block and the 394 "big block".

=============

...used by B-O [-P??]...
__________

Correct, B and O used front engine/conventional trans, the Pontiac used
front engine with rear transaxle (derived from the Corvair).

=============

... with Oldsmobiles using cylinder heads of their own design.
__________

Correct again.

=============

There was someone at an IVOC show who had a 1961-grille F-85 rodded-out to
hold a Chevvy SB...

Are the mounts different?
__________

With a torch and welder, any engine can be made to fit any chassis...

(Yes, the SBC mounts are different from either Olds motor in question)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:42:23 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 1970 W31 convertible

I was wondering if there was a w31 convertible made for 1970 ?
______

Nope, 1969 was the only year for W-31 converts

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 20 Jan 1999 14:47:02 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 30th Anniversary Cutlass F/S

FWIW, if 1967 was the first year of Supreme production, the _1996_ Cutlass
Supreme would have been the 30th year of the Cutlass Supreme model anyway
(count it out on your fingers...), so there's a whole lot of liberty taken
with "anniversary" models.
_________

But...but...

Uh, Bob, you're correct, 96 would have been the 30th year of production,
but if 1968 was the first anniversary, then 1997 would be the 30th
anniversary.  In other words, if you were born in 1967, you wouldn't be 30
until 1997.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:51:09 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Boring early 400 block

My question, could it be that blocks that were found/thought to be core
shifted during casting have been made into 400s, while the non/less
shifted castings became 425s?
_______

Uh, the only flaw in that logic is that 425s carry a cast letter "D" and a
different casting number from the short stroke 400 blocks (either "B" or
"E", depending on year).  Obviously the castings were different to start
with.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@obital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:57:09 EST
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Speakers for a 75 C/S

Where is a good source for two front speakers for a 75 C/S 4dr?

Bernie

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:59:19 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Plastic Gauge Lenses -- How to Polish

Scott, 
Meguires make stuff to do F-16 canopies, should find something from them
that would do the job.
Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net


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> From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Plastic Gauge Lenses -- How to Polish
> Date: Wednesday, January 20, 1999 6:41 PM
> 
> Any tips on products or methods to use to remove scratches..?  These
things
> cost way too much (for what they are) to replace.  Bought some Meguire's
#10
> something or other and it's nowhere near aggressive enough.  Got a Dremel
tool
> for Christmas and was hoping some sort of compound would work with that
to do
> the job. TIA.
> Scott
> 71 442 Conv.

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:13:11 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 371 in a 215?? was: 3[9]4 in a 79???

Yep there right no 215s in those big olds'.....some air cleaners did say "Jet
Fire" though..same name as the turbo charged 62 and 63 cutlass 215s. Not the
same motor...Hot Rod Harry from NJ 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">1973 Olds Cutlass 455
4speed</A> 

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:24:34 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: stealing was hei

I have never been charged for items like those listed below.  I always offer
the guy a buck or two for them and every yard I have ever been in tell me to
forget it just come back and tell friends.

Why steal something when they will gladly give them to you?


- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew C. Green <acg_o@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: stealing was hei


>> Did you ever stop to consider that the reason they charge money
>> to get in is that they end up missing a lot of small highly
>> desirable parts.
>
>(Side comment: $30 just to get in the yard? Is it refundable with
>a purchase? Do they waive it for known customers, or mail-orders?
>Sounds like some sort of "go away" strategy to me...)
>
>Certainly if you rip off the yard by hiding parts in the toolbox,
>those are parts they can't sell to other buyers. I'll cheerfully
>admit here that I've stashed parts in the toolbox myself, but the
>only ones I've gotten this way (and I _know_ it's stealing so you
>_don't_ have to point this out to me all over again :-) are odds
>and ends that are common pieces and not unique to the car: glove
>box lights, replacement trim screws, piddly stuff like that. One
>day at the yard I decided I should stock up on fuses, so I yanked
>a bunch out of one or two hulks.
>
>Point being that I'm lifting stuff which would clearly go to the
>crusher otherwise. Double standard? You bet. Sleep well at night?
>Yup. Would I do the same thing for other smallish parts such as
>alternators, gauges, etc? Nope; clearly somebody might show up
>wanting to buy 'em, and that's what the yard is in business for.
>
>-- Andy
>
>
>______________________________________________________
>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
>

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:30:33 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: HEI Question and comment (not trying to run this in the 
ground...but)

If I miss understood you I'm sorry.   What does pocketing a part mean?

- -----Original Message-----
From: GT5726@aol.com <GT5726@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, January 21, 1999 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: HEI Question and comment (not trying to run this in the
ground...but)


>In a message dated 1/21/99 9:58:17 AM Central Standard Time,
>nurelic@primenet.com writes:
>
><< By pocketing do you mean you STOLE parts they would probably have gave
you?
> Then bragged about it.  What has become of our country????   :-( >>
>   No . I didn't steal these "pocket parts"...The problem with this country
is
>IDIOTS take everything outta context and always assume the worst!
>
>Collyn Eastham
>65 442
>65 Cutlass
>
>P.S. Flame NOT intended, but if you are an idiot, you probably will be
>insullted anyway...:)
>

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 22:37:04 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: 215 info

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Turboed 215 I need more info on this.  I have a 215 I'm building now.  I =
have two sets of heads one to port and one to leave stock.  I'm thinking =
about using it in a small "race style" boat.  stock turbo ?????????.

LP.
nurelic@primenet.com

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:45:22 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: stealing was hei

In a message dated 1/21/99 9:26:24 PM Pacific Standard Time,
nurelic@primenet.com writes:

<< I have never been charged for items like those listed below.  I always
offer
 the guy a buck or two for them and every yard I have ever been in tell me to
 forget it just come back and tell friends.
 
 Why steal something when they will gladly give them to you? >>

      Man, some of you guys are lucky...some of the yards around here will
charge you for those cheesy clips that hold door panels on..and a $5 minimum
at that. Just thought I'd add that in..wish one of the yards around here was
more reasonable..lots of cool stuff there cause he' so damn expensive! Dorian

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 00:54:56 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Confused parts clerks

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Dave,
I can sympathize.  When I bought my 68 it had just had the alternator
replaced.  Didn't take too long for that one to go out but as I had the
reciept I took it back to Auto Zone.  Big surprise that they didn't=20
list one for a 68.  Spent 4 hours searching through thier computer,
catalogs, and stock to finally find one that would work.  Of course=20
they said it wouldn't, but I bought it anyway and a year later is still
going strong.=20

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/


Whenever I go to the local Auto Zone for parts, I have to ask for parts
for a newer Cutlass (like a 72).  Most of the time, their computer lists
parts for my 69 as not available (motor mounts, voltage regulator, etc),
but they list parts for the 72.  Duh.  I don't seem to have this problem
at other parts stores...

>I've tried asking for parts for my 80 Calais and I get the same line:=20
>They didn't make a Calais that year.  I just ask for Cutlass Supreme
>parts now. =20

Dave Paulison       1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme



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I had=20
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:23:21 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: stealing was hei

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What about hardware?  I know that every time I pull a part
from a yard I throw all the bolts I have to remove in my toolbox.
I don't tell the guys that I've got a toolbox full of bolts but they=20
don't ask either.  No guilt there and from my experience most
yards could care less about the small stuff like bolts and timing
pointers (which is where this all started) as long as your actually
buying something (usually much larger).  Here's a good question
for those that think they are so innocent when it comes to yard=20
manners.  How many of you have ever broken something to get
the part you need?  Or what about pulling a valve cover for whatever
reason and left it lying on the ground so the engine is exposed to=20
rain, critters, and dirt?  To me that's the same as stealing since it=20
means that's another part the yard won't sell which cost them money
(assuming they sell all thier parts).  Just a thought.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

   =20
   =20
    Certainly if you rip off the yard by hiding parts in the toolbox,
    those are parts they can't sell to other buyers. I'll cheerfully
    admit here that I've stashed parts in the toolbox myself, but the
    only ones I've gotten this way (and I _know_ it's stealing so you
    _don't_ have to point this out to me all over again :-) are odds
    and ends that are common pieces and not unique to the car:=20

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timing</DIV>
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actually</DIV>
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question</DIV>
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</DIV>
<DIV>manners.&nbsp; How many of you have ever broken something to =
get</DIV>
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since it=20
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money</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 face=3D"" size=3D3>Mike B<BR><A=20
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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:40:46 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Opinions on Ga BB heads.

I have an opportunity to buy a nice '72 455 at a good price, that is
ready to go, but it has Ga heads on it. Opinion's here regarding
performance? This will be a street performance setup, with 5500 max
RPM's. 

I have a 1970 Toro 455 w/big valve E heads that I originally was going
to build, but I can get this '72 455 for less than I can comparably
build the '70 right now, plus I can save the '70 for a later date :)

The motor has all the goodies, nodular crank, balanced, forged pistons,
new fasteners. I guess my real question is, do Ga heads flow worth
anything? Would anyone feel that the E heads would be a noticeable
improvement?

Thanks

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme
.

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Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1999 23:43:08 PST
From: "Mike Sealey" <rocket98for69@hotmail.com>
Subject: 215 Turbo Info

I'm surprised the first response to this is from me and not one of the
A/G/X body guys...   ...anyway, the '62 and '63 Jetfire had the turbo
215.  They had the high compression of the stock 215, with a water
injection system to prevent pinging.  Later owners failed to recognize
the importance of keeping this filled, and a lot of Jetfires had big
problems later in life because of this, hence low survival of turbo
215s.

I believe the Jetfire used the same turbo as the turbo Corvair, but I
could easily be mistaken (looong time ago).  I'm also pretty sure the
turbo Jetfire used a 1-bbl. carb, for some presumably perfectly good
reason that escapes me now.

Mike Sealey
'69 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 01:34:42 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Opinions on Ga BB heads.

>The motor has all the goodies, nodular crank, balanced, forged pistons,
>new fasteners. I guess my real question is, do Ga heads flow worth
>anything? Would anyone feel that the E heads would be a noticeable
>improvement?


If the Ga heads have already been rebuilt, use them.  I have J heads that
are even worst then Ga and all I did to them was port the exhaust side.  My
455 is a '76 (with 9.5 pistons) and the motor performs very well.  My max.
RPM is 4500 and I have trouble keeping the 255/60/15 tires on the ground
despite the posi.  A  month after I rebuilt my 455, I obtained a '72 455
motor with Ga heads for future rebuild.  For street use, Ga's will do just
fine.  You motor will haul ass no question about it.  Save the toro motor
for later.

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:30:21 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: info

Does anyone know how to get on touch with Mrs. Helen Earley now.
Everything I  try turns  into a blind alley. 
Thanks.
Roger

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:51:02 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 215 info

The turbo from 62 and 63 on those 215s was not up to the standards of high
performance like todays turbos....better off using the "Rover" stuff to up
performance and the high performance shops that cary speed equipment for 215s.
I thinks some are listed in Hemmings Motor news.Not a corvair turbo(made by
same co. though)Hot Rod Harry from NJ

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:52:17 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: stealing was hei

>I have never been charged for items like those listed below.  I always offer
>the guy a buck or two for them and every yard I have ever been in tell me to
>forget it just come back and tell friends.

A few years ago a friend bought a El Camino that was ordered without any
radio.  Of course he wanted to install a GM radio, so off we went to a local
yard to obtain some wiring connectors to use for the installation.  This yard
had some bare bodies sitting waiting to be crushed.  These bodies still had
most of the interior wiring intact and turned out to be a great source of OEM
connectors.  We found what we needed and proceeded to the office to make a
token offer to pay for them.  We actually expected the guy to give them to us
as they would have been sent to the crusher anyway.  WRONG!  The S.O.B.
charged us two bucks apiece.  We were so dumfounded, we actually paid for them
and went on our way.  This yard is now out of business due to poor management.
I will happily pay for parts, but throw away items like that go in the pocket.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:53:47 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: info (helen early)

517-885-1502 or 517-885-1503..Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:33:35 -0500
From: "Eckart, Douglas A. SFC" <eckartd@emh.gordon.army.mil>
Subject: no tick tock

Clock repair
for those who are brave enough to take apart their ralleye gauge or just a
regular clock, Instrument Services in Roscoe Illinois sells a quartz
conversion kit for about 49.00. to your door.  The work does not take long
and only a few tools are needed.  You can find the ad in Hemmings.

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:33:59 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Confused parts clerks

In a message dated 1/21/99 10:42:26 PM EST, smithtp@ix.netcom.com writes:

<< Had the same experience when I tried to get a new choke pull-off for my
 Cutlass the first year I had it.  Auto Zone: "Not available."  Another
 store, this one a local store: "Got it in stock, should I hold it for you?"
>>

Another good idea is to check with your local Olds dealer. Many times they can
refer you to people they use. I needed a transmission yoke for my Delta. They
referred me to American.Driveshaft who had it in stock. 
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv. (duals of course)

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 09:39:20 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: stealing was hei

In a message dated 1/22/1999 2:28:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,
mbloomer@gateway.net writes:

<< How many of you have ever broken something to get
 the part you need?  Or what about pulling a valve cover for whatever
 reason and left it lying on the ground so the engine is exposed to 
 rain, critters, and dirt? >>

Only thing I will ever break is stuff that is already broken, rusted out, or
otherwise no good.  I also roll windows back up, reinstall hoods, and close
trunk lids. Oh, and my favorite yard will also leave me in the yard while he
runs for cars when I stay after hours on Saturdays.

SeeYa!
Bill K

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:41:12 -0400
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: Re: Speakers for a 75 C/S

RCKTPWR@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Where is a good source for two front speakers for a 75 C/S 4dr?
> 
> Bernie

You can buy them at any car stereo store i think. If I remember
correctly, they are only 3 1/2". At least that's what they were on my
'73 and my dad had no problems finding new replacements.

- -- 
|============|
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
|=========================|
'73 Cutlass Supreme
'70 Cutlass 'S'
'75 Cutlass 'S'
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
|=================================================|

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 07:54:20 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 86 Cutlass Rallye gauges

> Also, the tachometer needle reads 2,000 RPM. I am pretty sure
> the engine wasn't spinning that fast while it was just sitting
> there, even though the key WAS in the ignition.  Anyone know
> if this is fixable?

As somebody else said, this is the normal Off position for the tach
in a GM car. Unlike most of the other gauges, the needle balance of
the tach is unbelievably fragile and light, so when the power is off,
it floats back up to equilibrium.

I found out _how_ delicate it was when I painted the tach needle of
my old Trans Am with fluorescent red paint from a bottle. The one
coat I brushed on the needle was so heavy it screwed up the reading.
Next time I'll mask the whole area and dust on a light coating of
spray paint instead.

- -- Andy

P.S. Nevertheless, repainting those white needles with fluorescent
red paint looks unbelievably cool. My '76 Cutlass rally pack was
dazzling afterwards, and much easier to read at a glance.

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 08:12:36 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: It's in the dash, I think (was 

>> Your tach. is probably wired incorrectly.  To be precise, the
>> ground is probably running to a wire that has +12v. 
>
> Wonder if this could be a reason the tach doesn't work??

Well, yeah, I don't think you mentioned that part.  :-)

So where _does_ the other wire (brown, isn't it?) go to? Maybe
hooked up to the wrong side of the coil...?

- -- Andy


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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 10:08:04 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Carb Spacer, Status

*** Sorry if this appears twice. My email was down for days and I could not 
*** receive the list emails. If you replied to this already, please 
*** repeat it!


Hi Listers,

long time no mail... well yesterday I finally took the motor out the 
living room! It had it fully assembled and there is only one thing I 
learned from this: 
Do not assemble the whole engine at a place where you can't get it with 
the crane!!! Well, I ended up building a wooden ramp to the outside of 
the house to grab it there with the crane... How much does a 350 weigh 
with heads and everything on? 

I have two questions:

- - Will a carb spacer help to get a little more response in the lower rpm 
  range when used with a single plane intake (holley dominator) like mine?

- - Where can you get those radiator rubber spacers??? (two on top and two 
  on the bottom of the radiaotor.)

So long, 
George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:22:32 -0500
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: info (helen early)/disconnected/new #

>517-885-1502 or 517-885-1503..Hot Rod Harry

Hi guys,

I just ried calling the 1502 number and got a message. The number has been
changed to 1-888-541-4409 and the mailbox number is 86331.

Randy

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:31:34 -0500
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Olds History Center procedures

Here's what you have to do to get info.

Send $15.00 check made out to Oldsmobile Division to:

Oldsmobile History Center
920 Townsend Street
Lansing, MI 48921

The recording says you have to include a mail stop number, which is
48911104. I guess you put that in the address (2nd line) or somewhere on the
envelope.

You need to include your vin number and a pencil rubbing of your cowl tag.
(firewall plate according the the recording)

Randy

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Date: Fri, 22 Jan 1999 11:20:56 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: stealing was hei

Here's a way that sometimes lets me have my cake and eat it, too.  If I remove
something from a car, I put the mounting bolts, connectors, etc, on the item I
removed.  For instance, if I remove a carb, I slide the bolts back into the 
carb
mounting holes.  If I remove an electrical item and I need the connector, I'll
snip the wires (if possible, I disconnect the wire at it's origination point 
and
don't cut it) and leave the connector and it's associated pigtail attached to 
the
item.  Usually, the yard will just look at the entire item as a unit and I 
don't
spend extra for connectors, bolts, etc., and I haven't pocketed anything, 
either.
The more the things you buy look like separate items and not parts of a whole, 
the
more likely you are to be charged for them.  At least, I've given the yard the
fair opportunity to see the items I'm buying.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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