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re: Roll Call !
1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
Re: 69 442...
Re: 69 442...
Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
Chatter about Roll Call
Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
Re: 69 442...
Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
Re: BB Webber intake? was: What is a Weber Side Draft?
Re:  How to take a frame off the body???
Regarding '69 442
Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
RE: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
Re: What is a Weber Side Draft?
Re: BB Webber intake? was: What is a Weber Side Draft?
Re: 69 442...
Re: Hot Rod Power Club
Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
Re:  My Classic Car Episode
Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
RE: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
Re: Regarding '69 442
Re: 1969 442 Trunk Molding
Re: Hot Rod Power Club
need help from old timers
Re: 69 442...
paint color combinations...
Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
403 Engine
Re: 69 442...
Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
NON-OLDS-Browser Info request
Re: My Classic Car Episode
*karma wagon* (Vista Cruiser) reaches $920
Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!
Re: Roll Call
Re: Hot Rod Power Club
Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
Re: *karma wagon* (Vista Cruiser) reaches $920
Roll Call
Re: 455 Break-In
Re: *karma wagon* (Vista Cruiser) reaches $920
Re: Restoration experts, help needed
Re: What is a Weber Side Draft?
Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
RE: Hot Rod Power Club
Re: ID's needed
Trannie
Re: My Cutlass has a problem
trans switch
trans switch
Re. Junkyard cars
Junk yard cars
Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
Roll Call
build sheets
Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
Re: '83 Custom Cruiser Wipers

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:57:14 -0500
From: Bill Gochenour <bill@neisys.com>
Subject: re: Roll Call !

Bill "3STICKS" Gochenour

Parkwide Audio/Video/Laser Show Systems Engineer
  Universal Studios Escape - Orlando, Florida
Pre-Openning tech team "BUILDING THE ADVENTURE"


1986 Oldsmobile 442, Alpine/ADS Mobile Electronics Systems Show Car
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition, Centennial Participant #2218
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34
1998 Chevrolet S-10 Blazer
1992 Lincoln LSC Special Edition, (I know......sorry)

Web site: http://area51.stjohns.edu/~toychest
E-mail  : 3STICKS@neisys.com

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:18:38 -0600
From: cdemps@lsumc.edu (Dempsey, Charles)
Subject: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?

There is a 1970 Vista Cruiser on ebay that claims to be a W-30. I'm
thinking that there never was such a beast (except for the '72 H/O VC
press cars), but I'd like another opinion before I stick my neck out.

Please take a look and let me know. The URL is;
<http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=69861106>.

The seller says 

	"It's a really desirable model with nice options. 
	They include (off of the original WINDOW STICKER 
	that I have); ROCKET 455 V8 (W-30),.........". 

He notes that it doesn't have OAI. Perhaps he equates Rocket 455 with
W-30. This is a heavily optioned car, but I just don't believe the W-30. 

A little closer to home I've noticed that my '71 Vista Cruiser has a
double hump cross member but (now) has a single exhaust. Did my car
originally have duals or was a double hump standard regardless of
exhaust.

Please cc:cdemps@lsumc.edu with any replies.

Thanks,
Charles

'71 VC soon to be dual exhaust

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:19:14 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: 69 442...

Darren King wrote:
> 
> Someone near me is selling a 69 442 that I have a major hard-on
> for.  It has a 455 engine in it.  I know from the FAQ that no 455
> were in 69 442's.  What king of stuff should I be looking for?   

First check the VIN to see if it's a 442 (also check that the body tag matches
the VIN on the dash).  Next check that all the 442 parts are there including
the infamous trunk stainless steel, rocket emblems on the door panels, wood
grain dash, cutout bumpers, egg crate grill, chrome grilled hood, etc.

Mostly look for rust.  Rust is the great car killer, they don't call it car
cancer for nothing.  Most other things are fixable but rust be _very_ tough to
eradicate.  Also look for welds, cracks, or bends in the frame, rust in the
trunk, under the drivers floor mat.

The 455's no biggy anymore than a non-numbers matching 400 would be.  The 68-69
400 was a dog so the 455 is supposed to be a big improvement.  The Torker
probably indicates that the car is set up more for race than street so I would
assume he has a big cam in it to.  If it runs well now then that's fine but you
may find it a bit rough.  If you're real meticulous then you could do a leak
down test or a compression test on the engine.

The original transmission should be a O-W TH400 I believe so you could check
for that (you would have told us if it was a four speed car, right?).

Does it have posi?, front disks?, tilt?, SSI or SSII's?  These things are nice
and add to the car's value.

I would pay $5,000 for a 442 with a good body and complete interior.  I would,
though, look at the body plate and find out what was stock on that car.  If it
was a no-options ugly color car then you should consider that you would never
want to fully restore it.  If it was a fully optioned
_insert-your-favorite-color-here_ car then you could restore it to stock and be
happy with it.

> It
> has a Edelbrock Torker intake and a holley carb on it but I don't
> know much else about it other than it has an aftermarket cam
> in it.
> 
> The body (dark red) is in good shape and the interior is complete
> but rough.
> 
> He wants 6500 for it but I found out I could bet it for 5000...these
> are Canadian bucks.
> 
> What should I be watching out for...I've been burned buying used
> cars before.
- -- 
PS: I have a 400 on the floor if you ever want to go back to stock but
non-numbers matching, there's lots of them around.

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:12:46 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: 69 442...

Hi Darren, 

I am not a 442 expert but let me tell you this real quick before you go 
an buy:
You *must* check the vin to verify if this is a real 442. If it is a 
clone you should at least know. The price sounds good but may be 
indicating something... there are a lot of clones out there which is fine 
if you don't buy them for a real one. 

Please go to the olds FAQ (found on www.442.com) and read about the 442's 
in 69 and their verification etc. 

Good Luck!
George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Darren King wrote:

> Someone near me is selling a 69 442 that I have a major hard-on
> for.  It has a 455 engine in it.  I know from the FAQ that no 455 
> were in 69 442's.  What king of stuff should I be looking for?   It
> has a Edelbrock Torker intake and a holley carb on it but I don't 
> know much else about it other than it has an aftermarket cam
> in it.
> 
> The body (dark red) is in good shape and the interior is complete
> but rough.
> 
> He wants 6500 for it but I found out I could bet it for 5000...these
> are Canadian bucks.
> 
> What should I be watching out for...I've been burned buying used
> cars before.
> 
> Darren King
> 

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:23:02 EST
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?

In a message dated 99-02-22 12:11:27 EST, you write:

> There is a 1970 Vista Cruiser on ebay that claims to be a W-30.

Pics there.

Nope. That ain't it.

Mebbe a 455 VC.

Only fake W-30 VC Karl heard of  was similar year, but had badges and was LT-1
powered. Ugh!

Seller should show a pic of the original dealer window sticker!

Though it ~is~ only $610 right now..... hmmm........

SOM   <---feeling jealous

&KA

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:25:39 -0800
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Chatter about Roll Call

> To date I've only logged 201 unique Olds List member responses. A far cry
>  from the near 550 we have registered with the list.

Just to throw in a little FYI on why we/you may not be getting the total
number of subscribers is because I have 2 accounts.  One for work, where I
get to read most of the Digest, and the other for my Home E-Mail account
(Digest too..) as well so I can read or catch-up on the weekends.

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:28:12 -0500
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?

For the current bid of $610, even ~I~ would consider pickin' it up.  I'll
keep an eye on it...and watch it go for at least $4,000 probably...  :-)

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://members.xoom.com/jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: KarlAunan@aol.com <KarlAunan@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?


>> There is a 1970 Vista Cruiser on ebay that claims to be a W-30.
>
>Only fake W-30 VC Karl heard of  was similar year, but had badges and was
LT-1
>powered. Ugh!
>
>Seller should show a pic of the original dealer window sticker!
>
>Though it ~is~ only $610 right now..... hmmm........

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:34:02 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 442...

Look it over close and ensure that it is a 442 by the VIN. depending on the
overall condition of the car and the interior it can be a nightmare depending
on what is under the paint and inside. Hell I have a 69 442 Sports Coupe that
needs the usual four small patches and is a fully rebuilt numbers matching
400, and I'm asking 3200, so for that money it better be solid and clean.
Chris

CHRIS SOMMERVILLE
69 442SC
84 H/O 

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:27:28 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?

There is a 1970 Vista Cruiser on ebay that claims to be a W-30. I'm
thinking that there never was such a beast (except for the '72 H/O VC
press cars), but I'd like another opinion before I stick my neck out.
___________

The factory did not build any W-30 VCs for sale to the general public.
Even the 72 H/O cars were 350 powered, for the most part. Having said that,
at least one documented W-30 powered Cutlass Cruiser wagon _was_ built in
1970 as an engineering exercise.  This car was painted Rally Red, did not
have woodgrain (or roof windows, obviously), _did_ have the O.A.I. hood,
and was featured in an article in Road and Track in early 1970.

Is the car on ebay a factory-built W-30?  Only a build sheet will tell for
sure.  The seller has posted numerous photos of the car, but a pic of the
engine is conspicuously absent.  Even if it does have F heads and an
OLDSMOBILE W-455 aluminum intake, I doubt those parts grew there
originally.  A legit, properly documented car would be worth well into five
figures.  As it sits, assuming it's just a 455/TH400 VC with a lot of
options, it's likely worth a few thousand.

Note that all the other options he mentioned in the ad, including a non-W
455, were available on the VC that year.  BTW, the seller's, ah, marketing
style does not particularly increase my confidence factor.  "Karma" indeed!

=================

A little closer to home I've noticed that my '71 Vista Cruiser has a
double hump cross member but (now) has a single exhaust. Did my car
originally have duals or was a double hump standard regardless of
exhaust.
__________

Pretty much _all_ pre-catalytic converter cars (that is, pre-1975) came
with a double-hump crossmember, reguardless of exhaust configuration.  It
was cheaper to have one crossmember design instead of two.  Once cat-cons
were required, almost all cars had a single pipe under the crossmember (and
PLEASE, let's not start _that_ thread again...).

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:27:04 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: BB Webber intake? was: What is a Weber Side Draft?

KarlAunan@aol.com wrote:

> Is the Weber side-draft a 3 or 4 bolt carb?
> (mighta seen one.....)

The Weber side-draft (known as the DCOE) attaches to the intake manifold with 4
bolts.  The down draft version (known as the IDA), likewise attaches with 4
bolts.  Three-barrel versions of the IDA exist, and use 6 bolts. BTW, the 
Webers
are funky lookin'.  A previous post compared them (the side draft) to a 
motorcycle
carb. They really do look like a large motorcycle carb.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 09:43:15 -0800
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re:  How to take a frame off the body???

>Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 19:38:42 EST
>From: Dshack4@aol.com
>Subject: How to take a frame off the body???

>List

>Is it hard (once you have the doors, hood, fenders, etc) to get the body
off
>of the frame??  I know that is the best way to restore a vehicle, but I may
>not be able to afford that right now.  The car is in condition two, high
three
>at the very worst.  What is another way I can go about restoring the
vehicle
>without taking it off the frame.  I figured that if I removed the main body
>components that it wouldn't be too expensive, and I could do one at a time.

>Need your input!

>P.S.  Thanks to all who have responded to all my questions on production
>numbers and resto tips for this 71 W-30.

>David

David,
	What I did when I did mine up in NY was go by "How to Restore Your
Muscle Car".  I took the front clip off (fenders, Radiator support, wheel
wells...etc).  I used the two 1/2-13 bolts on the top of the cowl area with
a chain going across to lift the front end.  I then removed the gas tank,
and rear bumper.  Then I drilled 2 holes through the trunk pan about 24" to
30" apart.  I used two 3/8" Eye bolts going through the trunk with a 2" X
12" on the bottom with flat washers and nuts to lift the rear end up.  Luck
for me I had my own engine crane and borrowed a friend's.  I lifted the
front & rear simultaneously without a hitch.  I stored the body on 4
~Concrete~ (Note: Not cinder...) blocks, using a 4" X 4" piece of wood going
through the rear wheel well, and the other at the very front of the clip.

I wish I had known about the seatbelt anchor lift trick when I did mine!  I
love this list!  I'm always learning something new.


Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:39:05 -0500
From: "Daniel R. Gerow" <dgerow@student.stonehill.edu>
Subject: Regarding '69 442

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> The '68-'69 400 was a dog so the 455 is supposed to be a big improvement.
>

This went through the list as a reply to someone interested in a '69
442.  Again, me being in my Olds infancy, is this a true and known
thing?  I've got a '69 4-4-2 HC matching #'s 400 and I'm just wondering
as to the validity of this statement.  Reson I bring it up is I've
always heard rather positive things about these years, other than
lacking a 455.  I'm not saying anyone is wrong, I'm just want to know
the facts.  I find this a very interesting tidbit of information.  Now
my curiosity is sparked.  I always figured that these years, coming
right before the stricter emissions laws were something to be reckoned
with.  But then again, I'm not the expert....  TIA for any word on
this.  Take care all.

Dan

'69 4-4-2
'71 Cutlass Supreme
'72 Grand Prix


- --
- ------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.stonehill.edu/wshl
http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
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thing?&nbsp; I've got a '69 4-4-2 HC matching #'s 400 and I'm just wondering
as to the validity of this statement.&nbsp; Reson I bring it up is I've
always heard rather positive things about these years, other than lacking
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Now my curiosity is sparked.&nbsp; I always figured that these years, coming
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<br>'71 Cutlass Supreme
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:55:53 EST
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?

On the other hand, the pics are ~just~ out of focus.

Just enough shadow to hide cancer at the bottom of the fenders.

Karl fancies he sees weld lines under the paint in that first shot of the
roof-window...

And, of course, we've not yet heard from.....

VC guru Lisa Madsen!

Oh, Lisa?

Can we pry you away from the auction to ask a few Q's?

 :-)}

SOM

&KA

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:56:33 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?

> The factory did not build any W-30 VCs for sale to the general public.
> Even the 72 H/O cars were 350 powered, for the most part. Having said
> that,
> at least one documented W-30 powered Cutlass Cruiser wagon _was_ built in
> 1970 as an engineering exercise.  This car was painted Rally Red, did not
> have woodgrain (or roof windows, obviously), _did_ have the O.A.I. hood,
> and was featured in an article in Road and Track in early 1970.
> 
> 
	Joe and all,
	Not that I'm a wagon expert or anything, but going from my vague
memory, there was a W-30 powered wagon (Vista?) for sale in JWO many months
back.  And I believe the list touched on this too at that time.  It had a
vanity plate that read "1 of 2"  or was it "1 of 3".  I believe it was a 70
and was documented, whether the factory built it or not I don't recall.
Turns out it was/is owned by Joe Mondello.  But you are correct (as if
that's a surprise :)  that a build sheet would determine the status of this
also.  Just my $4 (before taxes) or $.02 (after)

	Chris Smetana
	Terre Haute, IN
	http://www.abcs.com/chris/

	1969 W-31
	1969 4-4-2 parts car
	plus others

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:47:54 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: What is a Weber Side Draft?

> Weber carbs are 2 bbl carbs which are noted for being very
> adjustable.

 Very adjustable?  That's an understatement.   The side draft allows for
removal of the emulsion tubes, main jets, air bleed jets, and idle jets from
the top of the carb, WITHOUT spilling fuel (take that, Holley), and are
accessed by removing a cover held on by a single wing nut.  There are something
like 10 different accelerator pump rod lengths available.  Numerous different
idle, main, air bleed, and accelerator pump jets are available, as well as
different emulsion tube sizes.  What's more, both booster AND main venturis can
be removed and replaced with others of a different size (nope, Barry Grant
wasn't the first to think of interchangeable main venturis).  The Weber is a
tinkerer's dream.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:01:50 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: BB Webber intake? was: What is a Weber Side Draft?

Hey!

No fair holding out on us!

A uncommon (rare?) BB intake?
________

Karl, was that directed at me?  You apparently haven't been paying attenion
to the list.  Chris Smetana had posted my pics a few weeks ago, and more
recently Bryceman has added the intake pictures to 442.com.  See the Weber,
cross ram, and fuelie intakes at:

http://www.442.com/padavano.html

============

(((Edelbrock makes 3x2's for Ch*tty cars! and whadda us BBer's get? a
Performer??? An O4B or some such that are discontinued? Gee, thanks.
Offenhauser was WAY more prolific for Olds !))
________

Actually, Edelbrock also made a dual quad intake for the Olds big block,
though unlike the Offy manifold, it was a dual plane dual quad.  Ran one on
the street on the 71 that went in the divorce.  The car got 14+ MPG with
two 500 cfm AFB carbs and 3.42 gears.

============

Who makes it?
________

The Weber intake is a factory experimental piece, cast in the late 60s,
from what I can tell.  It was apparently used on the aluminum-block
455-powered McKee Can-Am racers, first with Webers and later with a fuel
injection setup which bolted to the Weber bolt pattern.  See the cover of
the July 1969 Hot Rod Magazine for a pic of the 455.  By the way, one of
the McKee cars, with the aluminum 455 Olds motor, was offered in Hemmings
last year for $125K.

============

What's it look like?
________

See the web page...

============

Where didja get it?
________

A swap meet in SoCal in the early 1980s.

============

Whadya fork over to get it?
________

I paid $225 at the time.  It's not for sale.  Well, OK, I might trade it
for a mint W-30 convertible (hey, they made more W-30 converts than Weber
manifolds!)  ;-)

============

Is the Weber side-draft a 3 or 4 bolt carb?
(mighta seen one.....)
________

This manifold is configured for the four bolt Webers.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:09:01 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 69 442...

First check the VIN to see if it's a 442 (also check that the body tag
matches
the VIN on the dash).
________

Actually, in 1968 or 1969, the body data plate _will not_ match the VIN.
All 68-69 442s got 344... VINs, but the body data plates for those years
will carry a 338... designation.  This is well documented and nothing to
worry about.  Similarly, the sequence number on the body data plate will
not match the last six digits of the VIN (except in the event of an extreme
coincidence), since these were Fisher Body numbers, not VINs.

In addition to the good advice that others have posted, if at all possible
check for rust under the stainless trim around the windshield and back
windows.  I know I've preached this before, but these cars are notorious
for collecting leaves and other dirt and debris in this area.  The debris
retains water, which leads to rust in this concealed area.  This rust is
very difficult to repair properly, and is almost always the cause of leaks
around the windshield and back glass.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:14:03 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hot Rod Power Club

Be serious , who in there rihgt mind would join!  Its just a money making
joke.
Hot Roc Harry

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:17:10 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?

If its the orange one , its made up the real W30 Wagon was on a cutlass wagon
frame not the long Vist Cruiser frame....My friend who owns the 77 Proto type
Hurst Olds had that orange Vista...georgoius car!!!  Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:15:42 -0800
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re:  My Classic Car Episode

>Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:35:56 EST
>From: Jetaway4sp@aol.com
>Subject: My Classic Car Episode

> Did anyone else catch this weekend's episode of My Classic Car on TNN?

>See the ORIGINAL 72 Firebird?  Everything was 'original' ad nauseum !
Storage
>queen deluxe! What's the use of owning a muscle car if you don't drive it?
>This car still had the original shocks and tires! 

>Geez!  I thought the guy was going to say it had the original crankcase oil
>!!! 

>Randy in Oklahoma
>57 88 J/2

Randy,
	I saw the show too, I thought I was going to hear "Original Air in
the tires!"

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:19:15 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?

I also think Mondello has an Origianal W30 Wagon from 70...Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:23:15 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmon@webtv.net
Subject: RE: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?

I remember the article,said 1 of 2
70  442

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:17:30 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Regarding '69 442

> The '68-'69 400 was a dog so the 455 is supposed to be a big improvement.
>

This went through the list as a reply to someone interested in a '69
442.  Again, me being in my Olds infancy, is this a true and known
thing?
_______

Unfortunately, yes.  The short stroke 65-67 400s are awesome motors, but in
68-69 Olds attempted to reduce emissions by using a reduced bore to
minimize combustion chamber quench area and thus lower unburned
hydrocarbons (emissions controls actually started in 1968 on 49-state
cars).  Note that this decision to go with a smaller bore was also due in
no small part to the desire to use a common crankshaft with the new 455 in
1968 as well.  The result is a terribly undersquare motor (3.870 bore x
4.125 stroke) which won't rev very well.  This is the worst bore-to-stroke
ratio of _any_ American V8 from the modern era.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 10:31:05 -0800
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re: 1969 442 Trunk Molding

>Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 07:22:16 -0500
>From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
>Subject: Re: 1969 442 Trunk Molding

>There's a guy advertising in JWO who repairs and polishes stainless trim.=

>His add says:

>"Stainless steel moldings restored, dents removed, polished to show quali=
>ty"

>Charles Vincent
>421 Morgan Hill Rd.
>Hurley, NY 12443
>(914) 331-1240
>6pm - 10pm Eastern

Wowza this was about 3 miles from where I used to live in NY.  Talk about a
small world!  I don't know the guy or the name but know exactly where he
lives.

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:03:25 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hot Rod Power Club

In a message dated 2/22/99 6:13:42 AM Pacific Standard Time,
Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM writes:

<< Yep, got mine about a week ago.  I was very impressed and honored to be
 part of an exclusive group of what must be only 200,000 or so Hot Rod
 Magazine subscribers.
 
 I didn't even bother to keep the stickers.... >>

	Must not be only the Hot Rod mag subscribers then..I only get Road and 
track,
and that was from that free offer I got off the internet..add another 200,000
to that "exclusive" group : )  Dorian

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:11:03 -0500
From: "Worthington, David L" <david_worthington@reyrey.com>
Subject: need help from old timers

I hope I can employ the help of the list members that are "a wee bit older"
(decide amongst yourselves if this applies to you.  I know it applies to Ron
Forsee).

Last friday, I was given a Sun distributor machine.  An OLD one.  5ft. tall
and weighs about 150 lbs.  At the top of the machine, it has carlines listed
with advance specs. The newest one listed is 1955!  Going on that nugget of
information, I'd say it was built that year.  Yes, it's made for 6 volt
setups with points.  It lights up and works, but i only use HEI, so I'm
going to switch it over to 12v and make it HEI-compatible.  

I've also got an engine analyzer made in the late 60's (?) that has a
leakdown tester, scope, vacuum gauge, dwell meter, a/f ratio monitor, etc.
Quite useful!  Only downside it that it takes up a lot of garage space.

Question:  Is "SUN" still in business?  I've got a SUNpro Super Tach II made
by Actron.  Actron has a web site http://www.actron.com/sunhome.htm that has
some analyzers.  Is this the same company?   I'm looking for more info on
this machine and am out of ideas as to where to look.  

Any of you ever run one of these distributor machines?

Olds content:  I used the engine analyzers a/f ratio meter to adjust my
cutlass for the emissions test.

Thanks!

Dave Worthington

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 22:40:31 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: 69 442...

well FWIW I bought my all "ORIGINAL" "NUMBERS MATCHING" 69 442 for 1300 in
california in 1995 it has a 350 2bbl (NOT ORIGINAL) but came with the
"ORIGINAL" 400 verified and complete but with spun main bearing non posi-
type "O" with 4.? gears runs 4000rpm at 80mph the body was rust free with
well weathered but original cameo white paint
have yet to find the build sheet but continue to look also had a few extra
parts in the trunk like two air cleaners extra hood grilles and hockey
sticks
the interior had no problems until it got to the midwest and experienced a
winter, its first, the drivers seat cracked in the middle it also has a
couple of strange things for options RED wells no it isnt a w-30 it also has
a power seat (drivers side) and no air which seems wierd no air but a power
seat
the original AM- pushbutton radio and an 8-track would like to find an AM/FM
original if anyone has one let me know Also I will probably use desert dog
for the bumpers seems to be well recommended......Adios...KK

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:40:46 -0500
From: Darren King <KingD@sx.com>
Subject: paint color combinations...

Is there a reference for what paint/interior color combinations
were available for what year?  I'm looking for the 1969 year,
model 442.  I couldn't find it in the FAQ on 442.com

Darren King

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:48:06 -0500
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Dempsey, Charles <cdemps@lsumc.edu>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 12:18 PM
Subject: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?


>There is a 1970 Vista Cruiser on ebay that claims to be a W-30. I'm
>thinking that there never was such a beast (except for the '72 H/O VC
>press cars), but I'd like another opinion before I stick my neck out.
>
>Please take a look and let me know. The URL is;
><http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=69861106>.
>\

I think somone should request the VIN off the car, and possibly inform e-bay
of fraud if it is not as advertised. just because such a vehicle would be
highly desireable and colud lead to a serious cah outlay.
in fact im going ot ask the owner for the vin # now, if i get it (ever) ill
post it to the listfor scrutiny.

Erik Gertsen

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 11:53:38 -0800
From: "Blount, Nick" <NBlount@bigscreen.mea.com>
Subject: 403 Engine

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I've got a 1979 Pontiac 10th Anniversary Trans Am (I'll probably wind up
taking some flak for this), and it has the factory original 403 Olds engine.
My question is:
*	What can I do to this engine to increase its low to mid-range torque
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:55:10 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: 69 442...

You get a great deal, if you know where I can get a solid numbers matching '69
442 for $1,300 U.S. then please let me know :)  I'd grab it so quick the guy
wouldn't know what happened.

Remember that the $5,000 he is talking about is about $3,350 in "real" money
and the $1,300 you paid in 1995 would be worth $1,900 today if you had it in a
mediocre mutual fund.

Kerry Kroger wrote:
> 
> well FWIW I bought my all "ORIGINAL" "NUMBERS MATCHING" 69 442 for 1300 in
> california in 1995 it has a 350 2bbl (NOT ORIGINAL) but came with the
> "ORIGINAL" 400 verified and complete but with spun main bearing non posi-
> type "O" with 4.? gears runs 4000rpm at 80mph the body was rust free with
> well weathered but original cameo white paint
> have yet to find the build sheet but continue to look also had a few extra
> parts in the trunk like two air cleaners extra hood grilles and hockey
> sticks
> the interior had no problems until it got to the midwest and experienced a
> winter, its first, the drivers seat cracked in the middle it also has a
> couple of strange things for options RED wells no it isnt a w-30 it also has
> a power seat (drivers side) and no air which seems wierd no air but a power
> seat
> the original AM- pushbutton radio and an 8-track would like to find an AM/FM
> original if anyone has one let me know Also I will probably use desert dog
> for the bumpers seems to be well recommended......Adios...KK

- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:52:22 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?

In a message dated 02/22/1999 12:11:22 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cdemps@lsumc.edu writes:

<< There is a 1970 Vista Cruiser on ebay that claims to be a W-30. I'm
 thinking that there never was such a beast (except for the '72 H/O VC
 press cars), but I'd like another opinion before I stick my neck out.
 
 Please take a look and let me know. The URL is;
 <http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=69861106>.
 
 The seller says 
 
 	"It's a really desirable model with nice options. 
 	They include (off of the original WINDOW STICKER 
 	that I have); ROCKET 455 V8 (W-30),.........". 
 
 He notes that it doesn't have OAI. Perhaps he equates Rocket 455 with
 W-30. This is a heavily optioned car, but I just don't believe the W-30. 
  >>

Go to the following site for some info on the 1970 W-30 Wagon.  

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/8046/hotrod.html

It seems to be true, but I don't know if its the same one on ebay.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:59:53 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: NON-OLDS-Browser Info request

Gang,

As you are probably aware of from some of my recent posts, I have been
having a lot of trouble out of my email package.  I received Netscape
4.04 in the mail today from Infinet, my provider, and am wondering what
problems await if I install it as opposed to Netscape 4.5, which I don't
care much for.  Any commentary from people who are using, have used, or
have knowledge of this browser should be sent to me directly to keep
Greg as happy as possible on a Monday.  As for the Olds content, if I
can get a browser that works  (email wise) I can quit posting h*lp
requests to the Olds list and get on to bigger and better things.  As
always thanks for any assistance in advance.  

Don Sowers

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 23:11:09 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: My Classic Car Episode

uh I think my spare has the original air......KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: Reed, Stephen <sreed@chatsworth.com>
To: 'Olds' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: My Classic Car Episode


>>Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 00:35:56 EST
>>From: Jetaway4sp@aol.com
>>Subject: My Classic Car Episode
>
>> Did anyone else catch this weekend's episode of My Classic Car on TNN?
>
>>See the ORIGINAL 72 Firebird?  Everything was 'original' ad nauseum !
>Storage
>>queen deluxe! What's the use of owning a muscle car if you don't drive it?
>>This car still had the original shocks and tires!
>
>>Geez!  I thought the guy was going to say it had the original crankcase
oil
>>!!!
>
>>Randy in Oklahoma
>>57 88 J/2
>
>Randy,
> I saw the show too, I thought I was going to hear "Original Air in
>the tires!"
>
>Steve Reed
>'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
>Austin, TX

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:12:40 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: *karma wagon* (Vista Cruiser) reaches $920

Well,

Thought I do something for the noise and put in my $4.00. (loved that 
one!):

Looks like the 'karma-wagon' starts to take off! It goes close to the 
grand (currently 920 bucks)

Well, if I ever sell my cutlass I am going to put it on that ebay site... 
maybe make a dealer tag for it which states some weird options. <VBG> ... 
and bragg about that it "feels" like it would be going low 11's <VVBG> 
and that I just burned several Ferrari's at the light... (Anybody knows 
the 1/4 mile time for a 911 carrera?)

Even without that W-30 it is defenitely worth the 920 bucks. Keep us 
updated with the vin, Erik, and maybe ask the guy for some engine pics!!! 
It is kinda strange that he makes all those nice pics and forgets about 
this great engine he even compression tested. Please, please someone buy 
this car and share his experiences! Pretty weird seller... i bet there is 
some amount of adventure hiding behind this... <CSG: Can't Stop 
Grinning...>

BTW: WHO is bidding for the beast? Anyone from the list???

Regards, George
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, Erik Gertsen wrote:

> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dempsey, Charles <cdemps@lsumc.edu>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 12:18 PM
> Subject: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?
> 
> 
> >There is a 1970 Vista Cruiser on ebay that claims to be a W-30. I'm
> >thinking that there never was such a beast (except for the '72 H/O VC
> >press cars), but I'd like another opinion before I stick my neck out.
> >
> >Please take a look and let me know. The URL is;
> ><http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=69861106>.
> >\
> 
> I think somone should request the VIN off the car, and possibly inform e-bay
> of fraud if it is not as advertised. just because such a vehicle would be
> highly desireable and colud lead to a serious cah outlay.
> in fact im going ot ask the owner for the vin # now, if i get it (ever) ill
> post it to the listfor scrutiny.
> 
> Erik Gertsen
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:25:34 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!

Jeff;
I'll call them.
Lou

- ----------
> From: blue442@webtv.net
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!
>

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:15:05 -0800
From: Tom Lentz <tlentz@ior.com>
Subject: Re: Roll Call

Okay Karl, you talked me into it :-)  I'm still here, just been lurking
on the digest when time permits and spending most of my energies on the
G-body list.

Tom Lentz
Spokane, Washington
Will be 30 in April
Network Administrator (I make computers go) for a
concrete/asphalt/aggregate company
Vehicles:
1984 Hurst/Olds "Fancy"
1978 Cutlass "Rusty" (Winter Beater)
1978 1/2 Ton Chevy Truck "Bessie" or "The Oldsmotruck".  w/ '77 350 Olds
Gas, diesel conversion.

tlentz@ior.com
http://www.ior.com/~tlentz/hurst.html

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:34:04 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Hot Rod Power Club

yep'
Lou

- ----------
> From: Jetaway4sp@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Hot Rod Power Club
> Has anyone else on the list been nominated for such an enviable position?
> 

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:28:50 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?

It seems to be true, but I don't know if its the same one on ebay.
__________

OK, it isn't the one on ebay, which is brown and has a flat metal hood.
Being the skeptic, I'll say it again:

I've seen several "W-30" Vista Cruisers.  Every one had been fabricated by
the owner, with the exception of the 68 VC with the H/O driveline featured
in Car and Driver in 1968 and the 1970 _Cutlass_ (not Vista) Cruiser in
Road and Track.  Both of these were hand-built by Olds engineering for
automotive press evaluation and were not offered for sale to the general
public.  It is obviously possible for either of these cars, or others which
may have been similarly built by Olds Engineering, to have made their way
into the hands of a private party, particularly if that private party had
some personal contact with an Oldsmobile executive.  Any such car offered
for sale had better have bulletproof documentation, or else I would simply
assume it had been assembled by a previous owner, not the factory.  Short a
build sheet or other factory documentation, I remain unconvinced.  The ebay
car, for example, was conspicuously absent a photo of the engine
compartment, despite half a dozen photos of the exterior and interior of
the car.

Yes, oddball cars that shouldn't exist have been built (witness the
documented four-door 1966 442), but as the 60s came to a close, it was more
and more difficult to get such cars built.  I'm sure there were some, but
again, they had better be fully documented to be worth anything.

Just my 0.02...

Joe (I just seem like I'm from Missouri) Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:56:34 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmon@webtv.net
Subject: Re: *karma wagon* (Vista Cruiser) reaches $920

Just threw a bid in @ $980.00 but was outbid.followed up and backed off
@$1550.00Does anybody know how to question this slick seller to find out
if this car has an aluminum intake manifold?

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 12:54:07 -0800
From: Lance LeMond <lance@bohle.com>
Subject: Roll Call

I previously put my name in but, not any specs.

Lance LeMond
34
Santa Monica, CA
Network Administrator for a public relations firm.
1970 442

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:04:30 EST
From: Oldsfire@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Break-In

Sounds pretty good to me!!!

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:04:54 -0500
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: *karma wagon* (Vista Cruiser) reaches $920

For anyone interested, in eBay, just click on the seller's nickname, in this
case, "lotusblossom", and you should find out that his e-mail address is
mmiller@3-cities.com.  :-)

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://members.xoom.com/jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: throckmon@webtv.net <throckmon@webtv.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 4:03 PM
Subject: Re: *karma wagon* (Vista Cruiser) reaches $920


Just threw a bid in @ $980.00 but was outbid.followed up and backed off
@$1550.00Does anybody know how to question this slick seller to find out
if this car has an aluminum intake manifold?

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:01:52 EST
From: Oldsfire@aol.com
Subject: Re: Restoration experts, help needed

I would move the interior down towards the bottom of the list!!!

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 13:52:55 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: What is a Weber Side Draft?

> > Weber carbs are 2 bbl carbs which are noted for being very
> > adjustable.
> 
>  Very adjustable?  That's an understatement.   The side draft allows
for
> removal of the emulsion tubes, main jets, air bleed jets, and idle
jets from
> the top of the carb, WITHOUT spilling fuel (take that, Holley), and
are
> accessed by removing a cover held on by a single wing nut.  There
are something
> like 10 different accelerator pump rod lengths available.  Numerous
different
> idle, main, air bleed, and accelerator pump jets are available, as
well as
> different emulsion tube sizes.  What's more, both booster AND main
venturis can
> be removed and replaced with others of a different size (nope, Barry
Grant
> wasn't the first to think of interchangeable main venturis).  The
Weber is a
> tinkerer's dream.
==========================
Okay, another dumb question here. But, if these are so adjustable, why
aren't they used more today? I would think that something that could
be tuned like a snowmobile or a motorcycle carb would be great! A lot
of headache if you don't know what you are doing, but great for all
kinds of different driving and setups! There must be some fatal flaw
in them. 

==
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1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 16:58:22 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?

In a message dated 02/22/1999 3:36:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM writes:

<< OK, it isn't the one on ebay, which is brown and has a flat metal hood.
 Being the skeptic, I'll say it again:
 
 I've seen several "W-30" Vista Cruisers. >>

I looked at the ebay site after I sent my response and could see it was not
the same car.  If you go to the site, the guy does explain that the owner got
it from the CEO of Oldsmobile and it is documented.

Who knows what to believe sometimes.

The site once again is:

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/8046/hotrod.html

His home page is:

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/8066/

Check it out.  The guy has some nice stuff.  He has a breakdown of the the
point system used at car shows.
 
Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:04:03 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Hot Rod Power Club

Me too...stupid solicitation by means of deception...

Ray Costanzo
President of Hilltown Chapter of the Hot Rod Power Club
Vice President of Hilltown Chapter of Motor Trend Club
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
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http://www.bdzi.com/timesavers.htm
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Sent: Monday, February 22, 1999 12:41 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Hot Rod Power Club


yep, I have been elected for that club and for the Motor Trend one
too...WOW!
I must be really special to get two. The same wonderful price also...LOL
Hot
Rod Harry

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 18:05:27 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: ID's needed

On Mon, 22 Feb 1999, adam olson wrote:
> Hey list. A couple of quick questions. I purchased a 65 VC and the guy I 
> bought it from said it had the 350 rocket and I know that the 350 did 
> not come out until about 68. Here are the numbers that I got off of the 
> passenger side cylinder head T66 3722. Does anyone know what size engine 
> this is?

Offhand, that doesn't sound like any Olds 350 I've seen. Where is the oil
filler? Is it a 6-8" tube at the front of the engine?

> I was also told by a local transmission shop that the jetaway 
> was discontinued in 64. That the transmission in my car is a turbo 300. 

Jetaway was available thru 1969. Later versions were same as the
Powerglide 2-speed. Mid-60s Buicks had a Super Turbine 300 trans that was
also a 2-speed but had a switch-pitch converter. I think Olds used this
same tranny under the Jetaway name.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:05:50 -0500 (EST)
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can anybody tell me what other trans will bolt up to my 231 V6 i have a
200c now which is in good shape but has no balls


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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:10:10 EST
From: Cutw29@aol.com
Subject: Re: My Cutlass has a problem

Hey list.  I was the original sender with this problem.  I forgot to tell you
that the air canditioning was removed from my car about 2 years ago.  I've
already replaced the water pump and a clutch fan.  Do you think that's because
there's not proper balance with the belts now?  My alternator and power
steering are on the drivers side of the car.  So I guess by taking out the air
conditioning and such i created the problem. =( Thanks for the advice.

Steve
cutw29@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:31:11 -0500 (EST)
From: Myassachafin@webtv.net (A Sea)
Subject: trans switch

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:33:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Myassachafin@webtv.net (A Sea)
Subject: trans switch

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Can anybody tell me what other trans will bolt up to my 231? I have a
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:38:22 EST
From: GHeath4138@aol.com
Subject: Re. Junkyard cars

The 1969 F-85 has a 2 speed trans.

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:33:42 EST
From: GHeath4138@aol.com
Subject: Junk yard cars

Hey does anyone need parts to 66 Cutlass with a 330, or a 1969 F-85 350 with
number 5 heads?

Let me know.

Grover
1970 442

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 15:27:27 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?

Joe P. wrote:

...>in Car and Driver in 1968 and the 1970 _Cutlass_ (not Vista) Cruiser in...

I am confused by this...what is a Cutlass Cruiser?  It was my impression
that a Vista Cruiser was a wagon built on the four door Cutlass platform.
Another post contained the same info ("Cutlass Cruiser")...
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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:49:28 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: Roll Call

Hello all [roll call],
 I'm a 41 year old, third generation Olds freak, married 10 yrs, no kids. I'm
a union sheet metal worker, and serve on my union's executive board. I also
teach welding for our apprentice training program, and I'm also an A.W.S.
certified welding inspector. I do automotive fabrication in my small basement
shop. I build headers, narrow rears, build tube chassis, tin work, etc.

 My '64 Cutlass has a 10" engine setback with equal length 1.875" X 34" X
3.5" headers. It has a [tired at the moment] 10.3-1 461" motor, and  ran a
best of 11.66@119.96 on 10" street tires/closed 2.5"
flowmasters, and 11.41 on slicks/open. It has been sitting for a few years, due
to us being broke from building a new house.
 My wife wanted me to get it back out instead of starting on my current 
project,
a prostreet '67 Ch*ev pu. I wish I would've listened to her, as the truck has
become a real money pit.
 In my junior year in high school, I had a 66 442, 4 sp/3.90s, and in my senior
year I had a 65 442 [paid for myself from gas station job].
 Dave Brode
Frostburg MD

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:49:43 EST
From: GHeath4138@aol.com
Subject: build sheets

If your car has no build sheet, is their anyway to get from oldsmobile history
Museum,  or it lost forever?


Grover
1970 442

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 17:53:54 -0500
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?

A Cutlass Cruiser was the standard wagon built on the Cutlass frame (did the
wagons have a longer frame?).  The Vista Cruiser was the same wagon,
basically, but much "nicer".  The Vista has the raised roof with the upper
windows.

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://members.xoom.com/jadcock

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From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, February 22, 1999 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: 1970 Olds W-30 Vista Cruiser. Huh?


>I am confused by this...what is a Cutlass Cruiser?  It was my impression
>that a Vista Cruiser was a wagon built on the four door Cutlass platform.
>Another post contained the same info ("Cutlass Cruiser")...

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Date: Mon, 22 Feb 1999 14:55:46 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: '83 Custom Cruiser Wipers

> I have a problem with the wipers on my 83 Custom Cruiser. They are
> on all the time the ignition switch is on, the only way I can turn
> them off is unplugging the fuse. Could this be the wiper switch?

Unfortunately not; it could be the motor or circuits under the hood,
such as a park circuit that won't shut off properly. Actually I kind
of think it's more likely to be the wiper motor than the dash switch.
I know whenever I got the wiper motor too wet while washing the engine
it would refuse to shut off the wipers until it dried out.

As for testing, I think you'd need a Chilton manual, or someone else
here for advice who knows this topic better than me...

- -- Andy


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