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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, February 11 1999     Volume 01 : Number 1767



Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: Who lives in Illinois?
Re: Thanks to everyone! Now, one more q..
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: Zigs
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: cad plating-eastwood ? to the list
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: 455 assembly expertise
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: Chevrolet 350
1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets
Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds Tailpipes/Trumpets
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: 455 assembly expertise
Re: Drag Racing expertise needed
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: Rocker Pedestal Shims
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: Olds Stereo Setup
Re: window rattles
Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets
Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds Tailpipes/Trumpets
Re: Rochester Carbs
Help for washer pumps
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: Chevrolet 350
Atlantic City Car Show
Re: 39 degree 425 and 455 pushrod difference
Last 307 powered Olds (was: Re: Chevrolet 350)
Re: Olds only show and go
RE: 75 H/O T-Top Gaskets
Re: Reading the computer codes....
Re: Atlantic City Car Show
Crack in my 455 : (
Re: Atlantic City Car Show
Re: TADA!!! Yipee!! Now what?
Re: Rocket 350 
Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets
Re: modifying a dual snorkel
(no subject)
Re: Drag Racing expertise needed
Re: Chevrolet 350
Re: Crack in my 455 : (
RE: Chevrolet 350
Re: street 350 recipe wanted
Re: Sheet metal thickness-68 442
RE: Chevrolet 350
Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds Tailpipes/Trumpets
Z28 to Olds Segue, after RE: Chevrolet 350
Re: Crack in my 455 : (
Re: Crack in my 455 : (
T-Top Gaskets
Re: Crack in my 455 : (
RE: Z28 to Olds Segue, after RE: Chevrolet 350
Crack in my 455 :(
RE: Z28 to Olds Segue, after RE: Chevrolet 350
Re: Crack in my 455 :(
Re: Rocket 350

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:34:30 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

One word Igor, Racing.  Simple economics says that the more
people racing chebys the more aftermarket parts there will be
available and thus the cheaper the cost.  This all started back
in the 60's.  Performance has always trickled down from the
racetrack to the street.  The core of SBC use is on the oval
track and factory involvement is not to be overlooked.  Do
some research and you'll see what I mean.  There are far more
cars running on asphalt and dirt every weekend than at the
dragstrip.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/


>I have a simple question.  WHY IS bow-tie SB 350 so popular.  I understand
>now because parts are way cheaper then anything else and it provides good
>cubic-inches.  But why did it become so popular.  I know that there was
lots
>of Chevys around, but there was also tons of Olds, Ford and even Mopar.  I
>wish that Olds was that popular.  It would make our lives (and pocket
books)
>a lot easier to live with. Igor.
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:42:14 EST
From: Bbymks4@aol.com
Subject: Re: Who lives in Illinois?

                  There is a ' 73 Hurst Olds for sale in Auto trader, it's got
a 455,
                  posi, rallye wheels, dual gate, swivel buckets, white
interior, and
                  white and gold exterior. It needs restoration, but if it's
not worth
                  restoring, the parts are worth alot more than that, If you
want more
                  info, or if you find out any info, let me know, I'm pretty
curious
                  about this one. The phone # is 847-658-3857.
                       
                  later from......Steve M.

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:45:56 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Thanks to everyone! Now, one more q..

The main bracket for the P/S pump should still be on the
pump so mock that in place first.  Then figure out where
the alternator bracket bolts on.  Then it's a simple process
of elimination.  You need to find the bracket/mounting for
the pivoting end of the alternator and whatever other acc
you have.  It's usually helpfull to find the bolts first as they
are usually all different lenths and sometimes shank sizes/
threads so you can narrow things down further.  I'm hesitant
to say what goes where as I'm not real familiar with your
particular installation but you can go to my web site and
look at the engine pics of my '72 Cutlass to see if it jogs
anything.  Probably completely different but may be
somewhat similar.  Thought about a trip to the salvage
yard?

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

>Yes, I'm a dork, and forgot to take pics/write down how the brackets for
the
>alternator and P/S pump go. I know it's an IQ test, but I'm flunking it
>really badly..probably because it was 2 in the morning when I gave up!
>
>I've got the bracket for the alternator, that's curved and attaches the top
>of the alternator. Then there is another aluminium bracket, that I think
has
>something to do with the alternator and p/s pump. Can anyone either take a
>pic of theirs ASAP, or try and explain it to me?
>
>Norm (It's getting closer..the car will soon run!) Muelleman

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 21:50:31 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

You better go back and read some more!!  I have a 1968 SS350 Camaro.  
Are you telling me is doesn't exsite? They used 327's in Corvette until 
70. 70 is the first year a 350 was put in a Vette.  You could get 327's 
or 350's in all first gen Camaro's. They also made a 67 SS.  Look before 
you leap.

>No it wasn't, 67 and 68 Camaro's still had 327's, look it up, i got you 
here,
>im positive
>


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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:04:39 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

Well your "Standard Catalog of American Cars" Sucks!!!  A 350 came out  
in a 67 Camaro.  Go to Year Ones site, or Classic Indusrties and look at 
the 67 33 350 emblems.  I Have a 68 ss 350 and I know that 350's came 
out in 67.  You better stick to somrthing you know!!!

>
>according my "standard catalog of american cars" chevy didn't release 
or put
>the 350 in ANY car until 69, so blah, and that book of yours also said 
the 442
>started in 65, so i dont trust it


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:35:35 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Zigs

Downers Grove main street is closed down foir cruising. Yes it is next ot
the Metra train lines. WHere is Daddy O's??
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: Joe Novak <cujmn4@pen.eiu.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Zigs
> Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 5:05 PM
> 
> Where do you go in Downers Grove?  I think I may have been out that way
before
> but I'm not sure.  Is that where everyone lines up on the main street of
the
> town close to a train station.  I have friends that live a few blocks
from the
> Frosted Mug and the Blue Top, both great spots.  Have any of you ever
been to
> Daddy O's? They've got pretty cool burnout contests on Sunday's in the
summer I
> think.
> 
> Joe Novak
> http://www.pen.eiu.edu/~cujmn4
> 1987 Olds Cutlass Salon
> 

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:22:45 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

GROW UP!!!  350's came in 67-69 Camaro's and Chevelles.  You could get 
the 6 banger 302 (rare not the ford, only in Z28's) 327, 350, 396 in 
67-68  and in 69 you could get the 6 banger 307, 302(Z28 only rare), 
350, 396.  Quite talking about something you know NOTHING about. 

>
>teh chevy 350 came out in 69, why do all the 68 chevelles and camaros 
have
>327s?
>


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:32:41 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@rbnet.com>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

IMHO I think it's time to take this debate to private email folks.  

Thanks.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser 
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:41:51 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: cad plating-eastwood ? to the list

I actually used "Cadillac Gold" on my car. What a coincidence!
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: cad plating-eastwood ? to the list
> Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 7:59 PM
> 
> Joe P. once mentioned that the painted cad tends to look like a paint
job, no
> matter what you do. After that, I looked closely at a couple of cad paint
jobs
> and must agree that, unless you do the orange, green and silver mist
coats
> exactly right, you're gonna know it's paint!  I have another friend who
uses
> "Cadillac Gold", and although it doesn''t pass as yellow cad, it looks
real
> good on the booster and the brake reservoir cover...
> Scott
> 71 442 Conv

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:32:52 EST
From: CUTLASS442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

In a message dated 2/10/99 10:23:59 PM Pacific Standard Time,
jasonshreve@hotmail.com writes:

<< 
 GROW UP!!!  350's came in 67-69 Camaro's and Chevelles.  You could get 
 the 6 banger 302 (rare not the ford, only in Z28's) 327, 350, 396 in 
 67-68  and in 69 you could get the 6 banger 307, 302(Z28 only rare), 
 350, 396.  Quite talking about something you know NOTHING about. 
 
 >
 >teh chevy 350 came out in 69, why do all the 68 chevelles and camaros 
 have
 >327s?
 >
 
  >>


last time i checked 302 and 307 were V8's not 6 bangers. i could be wrong but
i do have a 307 v8 in my 68 chevelle

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:33:21 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 455 assembly expertise

>Since the stock Olds V8 valvetrain has no means 
>of adjustment, it is as simple as just torque the 
 [snip]
>after zero lash.  To achieve the proper preload, 
>you may need to shim the stand or grind the stand.
>In either case, be sure to shim or remove the 
>SAME AMOUNT from both legs of the stand.

This is more important for the cast-aluminum one-piece pivot/bridge
assemblies, where a difference in shim height can stress and crack the
bridge. I've been successful in running different-height shims under the
intake and exhaust with the separate steel-strap bridge and independent
rocker pivots, as that strap is able to hold things in place but still allow
the pivots to sit at different heights.
_______________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:35:42 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

>> Nope!!!  1968 for the 350 olds!! 1967 for 350 chevy.  When was the last 
>>  350 olds?  1979 I think!!!!!!!!
>
>1980, I think...in the 88s & 98s, plus the W-30 option in the Cutlass

Didn't some make the 88/98 option list in 1981?

>1979 was the last year for the 403

<sniff>

>1988 was the last year for the 307 (Cutlass Classic)

... in an Olds. Remember, it powered the full-size wagons and Caddy's
through 1990, unchanged from its 1986 specs (right down to the carb #).
_______________________________________________
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:38:33 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

><< 
> GROW UP!!!  350's came in 67-69 Camaro's and Chevelles.  You could get 
> the 6 banger 302 (rare not the ford, only in Z28's) 327, 350, 396 in 
> 67-68  and in 69 you could get the 6 banger 307, 302(Z28 only rare), 
> 350, 396.  Quite talking about something you know NOTHING about. 
> 
> >
> >teh chevy 350 came out in 69, why do all the 68 chevelles and camaros 
> have
> >327s?
> >
> 
>  >>
>
>
>last time i checked 302 and 307 were V8's not 6 bangers. i could be 
wrong but
>i do have a 307 v8 in my 68 chevelle


OOOPS missed the comma.  Should read 6 banger, 302,307,350,396.  I know 
they aren't 6's just goofed up. Long day.  You got me with the 68  307 I 
thought they started in 69.  You learn something every day.

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:39:36 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets

Hey all,

I know that many parts distributors sell the 442 tailpipes.  My question is
this.    Who sell the most accurate WITH the best quality?????

My 68 H/O is in need of tailpipes.             Thanks

Vinny
62 Starfire
68 Hurst/Olds

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 22:45:49 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds Tailpipes/Trumpets

Can you get the trumpet style tips in larger sizes.  I have a flowmaster 
2.5"  exhaust.  I would love to put the trumpets back on.

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 01:42:13 EST
From: CUTLASS442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

no problem. I also thought the 350 first yr was 69 but i'm not sure so i'm
staying out of that part of the conversation......lol

Richard
Cutlass442@aol.com
1967 "oldsmobuick" Cutlass

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 02:11:12 EST
From: Oldsfire@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 assembly expertise

There are now manufacturers who make adjustable valve trains for olds heads.
CraneCams, Daytona Turbo Cams and I think Competition Cams does too!!!  that
makes it a lot easier to set valve lash!!

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 03:00:27 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Drag Racing expertise needed

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OK Mike

Below you will notice a chart for MPH verses ET. These are constants they
don't change.  If your car can achieve a certain speed you can look up what
your ET should be.

I was in error, I went the wrong way, my mistake sorry for any confusion.
I was thinking of my own problem that I can go 13.59 but only can hit 95
mph.
In my case it means fuel starvation.

In his case it means the opposite.  
You are probably right to say 60 ft'ers  or some other problem of traction
or suspension.

Once again sorry for my mistake it was not meant to irritate anyone.


MPH	ET		
			
83	16.30		
84	16.11		
85	15.92		
86	15.73		
87	15.55		
88	15.38		
89	15.20		
90	15.03		
91	14.87		
92	14.71		
93	14.55		
94	14.39		
95	14.24		


Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454




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> From: Mike Bloomer <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Drag Racing expertise needed
> Date: Thursday, February 11, 1999 12:03 AM
> 
> How exactly are you figuring out the time from the mph?  I'm
> mistified by this.  What those numbers tell me is that he is 
> slow launching off the line which eats up time, but on top end
> it's pulling hard thus the high mph.  I don't see how you can
> predict a fuel shortage problem off of two numbers since there
> could be other reasons for the car dying on top end as you
> suggest.  I'd be willing to bet the major improvement in ET's
> would be in the 60 ft times and not in the top end.
> 
> Mike Bloomer
> mbloomer@mindspring.com
> ICQ# 19113713
> http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
> 
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 23:50:02 -0500
From: "jlabay" <jlabay@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

Both Hollander and Mitchell Interchange manuals I have at the junkyard show
the Chevrolet 350 from 67 on up.

Jason Labay
80 442 W-30




>according my "standard catalog of american cars" chevy didn't release or
put
>the 350 in ANY car until 69, so blah, and that book of yours also said the
442
>started in 65, so i dont trust it

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 04:44:39 EST
From: Stakin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rocker Pedestal Shims

<< Do any of you have any idea why someone would put 16/32's shims underneath
 my rocker arm pedestals? >>

THe reason would be to decrease the amount of pushrod "plung" into the
lifter.16/32's must be a typo but the idea is the same.

Joe Stackman

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:08:48 -0500
From: "jlabay" <jlabay@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

My 80 442 has an original Olds 350. I think that may be the last year :-?

Jason Labay
80 442 W-30




>Nope!!!  1968 for the 350 olds!! 1967 for 350 chevy.  When was the last 
>350 olds?  1979 I think!!!!!!!!
>
>
>>
>>well, the Oldsmobile 350 started before the Chevy 350...
>>
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:27:05 -0500
From: "jlabay" <jlabay@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

http://www.f-body.org/tech/
Goto first generation production numbers. It shows a little under 30,000
SS-350's made in 1967

Jason Labay
80 442 W-30



>teh chevy 350 came out in 69, why do all the 68 chevelles and camaros have
>327s?

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 00:16:15 -0800
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Stereo Setup

I jumped in here because I agreed the most with this post....
- ---

>>1> Is the Jenson amp a good amp?
>I hate to tell you this, but Jenson is on the very low side for amplifiers,
Agreed.  It's one of those 'good enough' amps for low budget stuff.  It
probably produces half of what you think it does.

>but then again, I spent $1800 on my stereo.
1800 and you have Pioneer speakers?  Speaker ratings are subjective, of
course, but still.  I dont want to disclose what I spent (you'd probably
think I was crazy), but I'll tell you $1800 isn't a big deal in the stereo
game.

>concered about the boosted EQ.  Your stereo will might sound better without
>it, they really distort the sound.
Get rid of that thing as fast as you can.  Not only is the booster/eq a
terrible idea, but it's also a Pyr@mid (the same people who make a "1000"
watt amp for $100).

>My best suggestion would be to ditch the autosound headunit
Right on!  Fast as you can.

>(how much was it?)
Too much.

Sony, Kenwood, Eclipse, and Alpine all make good head units.  You could
either
1) employ the KISS principle and get a cheap, high powered unit to run your
four speakers
    if you dont want to spend a lot of money, just get a high power unit.
Costs maybe $170.  More for CD.
2) get a middle of the road high power unit and a seperate amp for speakers
    very easy to do and still fairly cheap.  $200-250 for head unit,
$150-200 for small 4 chan amp
3)amp all speakers.
    get a head unit w/o a built in amp ($400-1200).  This is the most
expensive way to go, but it yields the best results.  I think the far
superior
    quality is worth the high price of admission.  this also requires
processors, more expensive speakers, and all sorts of expensive custom
    work.  But, you could probably do most or all of the work yourself.  Not
to mention the cost of wires and cables.  Expect to say bye to 2
    dozen Franklins, give or take a few.  Includes component system up
front, coax's in rear, maybe a changer, sub in trunk, outboard
    crossover, maybe eq, wires, etc.

General stuff:
- -I see that amp fitting under the seat.  I don't know who made it, but bear
in mind that some amps run real hot.
- -Also, the rear of a speaker should be seperated from the front.  If not,
the waves cancel each other out.  This is not healthy for your speaker.
- -6x9's don't make bass as a general rule.  The shape of the cone works
better for midrange.  6.5" will produce better bass.  If you need more, try
a sub.
- -You have a big trunk and a single 12" sub will only take up one cubic foot.
- -Don't waste your money on Dynamat if you don't have plans to upgrade your
stuff.
- -Your package shelf will handle the 6x9's without a problem.
- -Buy better quality in the future
- -Good luck, whatever you decide.

Ben (not Peter, doin' him a favor)
Sony ES-Kicker-Infinity-MB Quart-AudioControl
- ----Phoenix Gold-Monster Cable----1970 98 LS

                    "Is that a freight train, or Ben's car?"

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:52:49 -0800
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: window rattles

There are two places to look.  One is inside the door.  The other is on the
upper rear edge of the glass where there is supposed to be a small anti
rattle/guide clip attached to the glass.  If the clip is worn, rattle
ensues.  Look here first.  If the clip is good, you'll have to pull the door
panel and examine the regulator.  Peter.
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From: Andrew Conkey <andrewc@novell.uidaho.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 9:14 PM
Subject: window rattles


I think this subject came up a while ago, but not relative to delta
88s. The driver's window in my '84 coupe rattles when closing the
door, and lately seems to be worse when driving than 6 mos ago.
Is this a common problem? Any simple fix? These are NOT power
windows, if that matters...

thanks
Andrew
84 Delta 88

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:02:24 -0800
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets

I got mine from Greg rollins at Supercars.  You know, the guy on the list
who answers the questions posed.  My trumpets are 8 years old now, and still
look good.  And they stil look correct.  There are several places that offer
them, but IMHO, Supercars and Fusiks are the places to go for the good
stuff.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com <HURSTOLDZ@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:43 PM
Subject: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds Tailpipes/Trumpets


>Hey all,
>
>I know that many parts distributors sell the 442 tailpipes.  My question is
>this.    Who sell the most accurate WITH the best quality?????
>
>My 68 H/O is in need of tailpipes.             Thanks
>
>Vinny
>62 Starfire
>68 Hurst/Olds

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:05:33 -0800
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds Tailpipes/Trumpets

Are not the trumpets 2.5 inches I.D.?  If so, you could butt weld them, or
spread them with an exhaust spreader tool.  Or you could take them to any
exhaust shop and have them put the tips on their air driven expander and
have them blow them up.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: jason shreve <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:46 PM
Subject: Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds Tailpipes/Trumpets


>Can you get the trumpet style tips in larger sizes.  I have a flowmaster
>2.5"  exhaust.  I would love to put the trumpets back on.
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:59:10 EST
From: CS81w350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rochester Carbs

- ----------------
thanks everyone for the explanations, ihave one final thing that might also
help to clear it up, i just remembered that when you start the car it runs
like crap (misfires like crazy) and blows black/gray somke, with a heavy scent
of oil or gas. if you stomp on the gas, it stops immediately afterward.
(approx 10 secs, hot or cold). after all that , its like nothing ever
happened.
Erik
- --------------------

Sounds like the vacuum break isn't working(round thing front left corner).
Not only does it hold the secondary air valve shut (until you need it), but it
also is supposed to pull open the choke slightly just after start up.  Could
also just be out of adjustment.  When you "stomp" on the gas you are probably
hitting the unloader.  It is a linkage on the quadrajet that opens the choke
when you floor the gas pedal.  Handy for starting a flooded engine.

Matt Pokorny
cs81w350
Ames, Iowa

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:07:42 -0500
From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Subject: Help for washer pumps

The washer pumps on my 77 Olds Cutlass "S" have not worked for some time
now. There is some noise when the wash button is pressed but no fluid
squirts out. Has anyone ever dealt with this before?? I've seen washer pump
repair kits but am not sure if thats the way to go or replace the 2 pumps
altogether. If replacing them are new ones available?? And where from??

Also when once trying to remove the pumps from my car I had the hardest time
removing the mounting screws. Any tips??

Thanks to all,

AAron 

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:31:30 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

In a message dated 2/11/99 4:24:04 AM Central Standard Time, jlabay@neo.rr.com
writes:

> My 80 442 has an original Olds 350. I think that may be the last year :-?

That was the last year listed on the EPA guides, as well as an old "Used Car
Guide" that I have.  However, some have suggested that there were a small
number of 350s available in 1981.  The guides are not 100% accurate...neither
one makes any mention of an available 350 Cutlass from 1978-80, either.
Largest engine listed is a Ch*vy 305-4bbl.


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 The Midday Guy on Mix 103FM
 Live audio at: www.mix103fm.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:40:44 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

> My 80 442 has an original Olds 350. I think that may be the last year :-?

...The guides are not 100% accurate...neither
one makes any mention of an available 350 Cutlass from 1978-80, either.
Largest engine listed is a Ch*vy 305-4bbl.
__________

If memory serves, weren't the 79 H/O and the 80 442 the only Cutlii models
in those years to be available with the Olds 350?  All the fugly
"slantback" 442s of 1978-79 got the Chebby 305 as the largest V8.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:57:00 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Atlantic City Car Show

Anybody going to AC this weekend for the winter show in the east?

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 08:50:15 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 39 degree 425 and 455 pushrod difference

I'm no expert here but is there a possibility of a different cam
height from the crank centerline?  Probably not but I'm curious.
________

If the cam centerline height were different, the timing chain would be
different between a 425 and 455 (it isn't).  Perhaps we need to be looking
at things like the details of the lifters (the pushrod cup might be closer
to the cam, for example), the installed height of the valves, etc.  Keep in
mind that if I remember correctly, we're only talking about 0.060" here -
less than 1/16 of an inch.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:03:01 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Last 307 powered Olds (was: Re: Chevrolet 350)

>1988 was the last year for the 307 (Cutlass Classic)

... in an Olds. Remember, it powered the full-size wagons and Caddy's
through 1990, unchanged from its 1986 specs (right down to the carb #).
_________

Actually, couldn't you get a 307 powered Custom Cruiser through 1990?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:12:11 -0500
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Olds only show and go

"Kevin D. Wood" wrote:

> Hey all.  How far is Norwalk from Milwaukee,
> or Chicago if anybody knows.

Kevin,

Its about 400 miles from Milwaukee, 300 from Chicago.

Mark Hahn

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:07:07 -0500
From: Marc Leizza <mleizza@solidworks.com>
Subject: RE: 75 H/O T-Top Gaskets

Thanks keith.
I know a guy who has a 75 w-25 with 14,000 original miles on it.  I will ask
him what they are made of and try to get pics.

Thanks, 
Marco

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Joeytada@aol.com [SMTP:Joeytada@aol.com]
	Sent:	Wednesday, February 10, 1999 8:02 PM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: 75 H/O T-Top Gaskets

	Good luck on your search for T-top gaskets. I haven't been able to
find any.
	I'm going to try to build the carrying cases but I need a good one
to copy
	from. If I rememeber correctly they were made of a plastic cardboard
type of
	material.  I'll let the list know if I get them made.

	Keith
	'75 Hurst/Olds

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 06:38:35 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Reading the computer codes....

> Speaking of computer codes, I lost my little computer 
> scanner/reader.
[...]
> I think someone posted another way of reading the codes with
> some wires or paperclips or something like that. Does anyone
> recall that message? If so, can they tell me how to do it?
> Thanks in advance.

I don't think you're missing much. If you were to open up the
GM scanner/reader they sell at auto parts stores, I bet you'd 
find a glorified paper clip in there. I mean, when GM's own
service manual tells you a paper clip is all you need... well,
you get the picture.  :-)

This comes up often enough that I have this in a file for quick
cut-and-paste. Maybe someone could clarify for us the difference
between open-loop and closed-loop flashing rates (below)... I can
never remember which is the fast one and which is the slow one.
Anyway, here we go:

Under the edge of the dashboard of the GM vehicle is the Assembly
Line Diagnostic Link (ALDL) connector, an open socket of about six
connectors in a row. (On later cars, it's plugged with a dust cover
labeled "Diagnostic Connector".) Using any handy piece of wire such
as a bent paper clip, jumper the two right-most sockets together.
(If you have a later-model car with about twelve connector ports in
two rows, jumper the two at the right end of the upper row.) Turn on
the ignition (don't start the engine) and note that the Check Engine
light is now blinking at you.

Now, depending on the age of the vehicle, you either _do_ or _do_not_
start the engine to get the codes. I'll give you both approaches:

Older GM: With the ignition on but the engine _not_ running, the
Check Engine light blinks a code 12 at you to indicate that diagnostic
mode is operational. (Strictly speaking, a Code 12 is No Distributor 
Reference Pulse, or in other words the computer cannot detect whether
the engine is running, which of course it's not.) The code is output 
as a single blink, pause, and two more blinks. Then a longer pause 
follows and the process repeats, indefinitely. To dump stored error 
codes, if any, you then start the engine, and error codes are output 
in numerically increasing order, each one repeated three times. (Prior 
to starting the engine, you will also hear the various engine 
solenoids energized as a test. In this mode, you can inspect the 
solenoids manually to see that they're operating; they all should be.
The Mixture Control solenoid on carbureted cars will also start 
chattering away.)

Newer GM: Same as above, except that you get all the error codes
without starting the engine. To determine whether you have an older or 
newer GM, wait to see what comes after the third repetition of the 
Code 12. If it's just a fourth Code 12, you have the older version; if 
it's any other code, you have a newer version and should write down 
whatever code(s) follow. The codes are output in increasing order, 
each one repeated three times, then the process repeats.

For newer GM cars, with the engine started, a slow blink (once/second) 
of the Check Engine light indicates open-loop (cold) running; a fast 
blink (2.5 times/second) indicates closed loop. Or maybe it's the 
other way around. Sigh... gotta look that up again sometime.  :-)

Keep in mind that you will need the manual to get the error codes 
explained; any library will have it -- Chilton, Mitchell, Haynes, etc. 
However, generally speaking, the codes are the same for most GM ECMs 
through about 1993, so you can copy them down on a wallet card to use 
for a quick-reference and general idea of what you're up against 
when dumping error codes of any GM car in the driveway.

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:50:50 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Atlantic City Car Show

I will be there on Fri. and Sat. Hot Rod Harry 

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 07:31:14 PST
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Crack in my 455 : (

Well,my weeks ben shot to h*ll ,i fond a Big'ol crack in my block 
today,the guy told me it was hottanked ,magnfluxed, shotpeend.
and that there was not one crack in the hole block,Well he lide to me.

he put a'hole lot of goop in the crack to hide it ,untill i stript the 
block.

now,im sorry if this sound's bad ,it could just be that im realy mad at 
him ,but is'int thare something we can do to guy's like this,
that to stuff like this ,to guy like us?

i meen ,i have never ript anybody off, and im just trying to build a 455 
for my car ,and I get ript off!   

life just ant fair.


Thanks
      Ryan



  My  -------   -------
            /  |
           /   |
          /     ------
         /            |
        /             |
       /        ------    DELTA 88
Ryan D Beck
           Riviera72sss@hotmail.com


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:32:12 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Atlantic City Car Show

In a message dated 02/11/1999 8:59:49 AM Eastern Standard Time,
JonKrisInc@aol.com writes:

<< Anybody going to AC this weekend for the winter show in the east? >>

I should be there Saturday.  Maybe we can meet up. Need to pick a place and
time.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:56:36 -0600
From: "Norm Muelleman" <norm806@dialnet.net>
Subject: Re: TADA!!! Yipee!! Now what?

Jason replied to my trans question with this answer:
>I used the 350 crossmember in my friends T/A  for his 400th.  Just
pulled it back and drilled new holes!

Ok...so, what did you use the drill the holes? Small bit, then a bigger
bit...carbide bits? Is there a hole saw that will cut through the subframe?
Anyone?

Norm (It's getting closer..the car will soon run!) Muelleman
ICQ: 3156478
norm806@dialnet.net

View my webpage at: http://members.dialnet.net/norm806
Updated 2-9-99  Now with Sound!!!

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:52:17 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Rocket 350 

Peter, 

I have to second Jason. $ 750 is what I would take for it including 
you pulling it. You are kind of close to the buyer, that is why I would 
not go any higher, just in case he has some trouble with the engine later 
on. I have seen friendships go down the drain because of engine deals...
(The engine will propably run another 100k miles but you never know if it 
was serviced correctly or if it was abused and had its oil and water all 
the time. You should include this risk in the price calculation. If the 
buyer is lucky, well good, if not, well, you did not as for too much cash 
and he can't be mad at you.)

Hope this helps.

Regards, George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

Jason wrote:

That is a sweet engine!!  It should be worth at least $750.  Remember
your time isn't cheap either!     


On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Peter Berusch wrote:

>   George, the old car shows 88,000 miles and the engine supports the miles
> with the way it runs.  The engine is smooth, smokeless and quiet.  The
> timing chain seems tight by rolling the crank back and forth.  The car
> itself has been outside for five years and looks it, but it runs well.
> Enough data?  Peter.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:04:28 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds  Tailpipes/Trumpets

Ok  Thanks Peter.


Vinny

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:08:14 -0600
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: modifying a dual snorkel

BFH

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:29:29 -0700
From: flmont@azstarnet.com
Subject: (no subject)

unsubscribe   me  please!

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:22:00 EST
From: EDZX6@aol.com
Subject: Re: Drag Racing expertise needed

Here are my times!

  60'       2.402
  330      6.432
  1/8       9.655
  MPH    76.66
  1000    12.427
  1/4       14.799
  MPH    94.63

Eddie  

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:30:42 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Chevrolet 350

In a message dated 02/10/1999 11:11:25 PM Eastern Standard Time,
nurelic@primenet.com writes:

<< According to pages 19 - 20 of "Guide to GM  muscle cars" the 350 Chevy came
 in 67 camaro >>
 
Yes, I believe that was the only model it came in for 1967 since it was a new
motor.

Lou Principe	
69 442 W-30

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 09:46:13 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Crack in my 455 : (

That sucks.  I was not following this thread, did you buy the whole engine off
of him or just a block?  If you got the whole engine is the rest of it all
right?  If the block was cracked because he froze it then the heads may also be
damaged.

Fortunately a 455 block is cheap, it seems to me that Igor picked up an entire
engine for < $100.  I knew the guy I bought my '70 442 455 engine from and when
the machine shop told me it had a crack in it the seller gave me another block
(F2).  The crank, con rods, heads etc. was where the real value was for me, I
could always pick up another block or a whole engine at the wreckers for cheap.

If you feel like it I suppose you could try taking him to small claims court. 
Other remedies are probably more trouble than they are worth.  You can end up
in the "you sugared my car, I ran over your dog, you blew up my house, I killed
your mom" sort of situation.  It happens, someone near my home town killed the
neighbors mom because they spent too much time on the phone (party line).  They
where driving their tractor trailer and they saw the other guys car coming so
they rammed it at 60 mph.  Apparently they were quite upset when they found out
that he wasn't in the car, just his mom.  Anyway, if you know that he deals in
lots of parts then let everyone know what he did so they can beware of him.

And if you really want this block for some reason then you can have it welded
up.

Ryan D wrote:
> 
> Well,my weeks ben shot to h*ll ,i fond a Big'ol crack in my block
> today,the guy told me it was hottanked ,magnfluxed, shotpeend.
> and that there was not one crack in the hole block,Well he lide to me.
> 
> he put a'hole lot of goop in the crack to hide it ,untill i stript the
> block.
> 
> now,im sorry if this sound's bad ,it could just be that im realy mad at
> him ,but is'int thare something we can do to guy's like this,
> that to stuff like this ,to guy like us?
> 
> i meen ,i have never ript anybody off, and im just trying to build a 455
> for my car ,and I get ript off!
> 
> life just ant fair.
> 
> Thanks
>       Ryan
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:04:48 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Chevrolet 350

> get 
> > the 6 banger 302 (rare not the ford, only in Z28's) 327, 350, 396 in 
> > 67-68  and in 69 you could get the 6 banger 307, 302(Z28 only rare), 
> > 350, 396.  Quite talking about something you know NOTHING about. 
> > 
> >last time i checked 302 and 307 were V8's not 6 bangers. i could be 
> wrong but
> 
> OOOPS missed the comma.  Should read 6 banger, 302,307,350,396.  I know 
> they aren't 6's just goofed up. Long day.  You got me with the 68  307 I 
> 
To throw more gas on the fire.  I have personally seen a first gen camaro
with an original 6cyl 302 chevy motor. well at least that's what I was told
about the car.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:13:09 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: street 350 recipe wanted

Are you going to rebuild this motor or just modify it.  If only modify, are
you planning to keep it inside the car or pull it out.  And last, what is
your budget.  I think I could suggest stuff but need to know this first.

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:32:40 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Sheet metal thickness-68 442

Any old 110 Mig should do, I would reccomend AGAINST gas-less migs
(flux-core).  Go with a real mig, should be under $500??  Bigger
full-time 220 Migs are real good for production welding, when you want
to lay a lot of weld in a day (time is $$).  For lighter-duty welding a
small, cheap mig is fine.  They will weld heavy stuff OK too, they just
take longer.

(Or, get an old arc-welder with 70,90,125 Amp AC settings, that'd be fun
on sheet metal)...

Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/

blue442@webtv.net wrote:
> More specificly, I'm looking for one best "tuned" for the
> fenders & quater panels.
> 
> I'm looking at the Craftsman wire welders, because of availability and
> price. (read: Sears Card :-) <-- Read well, just be careful the card don't 
melt with over-use (like mine)..

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 12:37:22 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: RE: Chevrolet 350

HA HA HA HA HA!!! This whole thread is making me chuckle. *grin*
Ok, The 302 was a V8. It was '67-'69 Z28 only. It was basically a 327 with
a 283 crank. Thats why they revved like heck and made power up top. It was
rated at 290hp and 290 ft/lb torque. Anyone who drove one knew that was a
load of crap though. In 1970 the Z28 used the Vettes LT1 350 rated at
360hp.(370 in Vette) The biggest muscle straight six Chevro ever made was a
292. The 350 was introduced in 1967 along with the new Camaro. It had 295hp
in the SS. The first year you could get a 350 in anything else was 1968. It
was available across all lines. It was the 327s replacement. They ran out
of 327 stock sometime in 1969. The 307 was introduced in 1968 as a
replacement for the 283. It lasted through 1973. 1968 was the year for
engines at Chevrolet. That's the year they had new ones coming in and old
ones being phased out. The small block chevy is so popular because they
have made quadrillions of them since first introduced in 1955 as a 265.
They are easy to work on. They respond very well to tinkering. They run
forever.(sometimes). Parts are dime a dozen. And bang for the buck they're
the best thing going. They can be built bullet proof. I've seen built 350's
pull the tires 6" off the ground in Camaros, Chevelles, and Novas. But I'm
not going to put a SBC in my Olds. And I won't put an Olds in my Chevy. In
my opinion there's room for both. That's why I'm a MUSCLE CAR fan.
Requardless of brand. I love 'em all.(just about). 

Next week on Omega Mans Show.. Mustang 5.0 Bashing, and What the Hells a
Farfignugen!

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455








At 12:04 PM 2/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>> get 
>> > the 6 banger 302 (rare not the ford, only in Z28's) 327, 350, 396 in 
>> > 67-68  and in 69 you could get the 6 banger 307, 302(Z28 only rare), 
>> > 350, 396.  Quite talking about something you know NOTHING about. 
>> > 
>> >last time i checked 302 and 307 were V8's not 6 bangers. i could be 
>> wrong but
>> 
>> OOOPS missed the comma.  Should read 6 banger, 302,307,350,396.  I know 
>> they aren't 6's just goofed up. Long day.  You got me with the 68  307 I 
>> 
>To throw more gas on the fire.  I have personally seen a first gen camaro
>with an original 6cyl 302 chevy motor. well at least that's what I was told
>about the car.
>
>Chris Smetana
>Terre Haute, IN
>http://www.abcs.com/chris/
>
>1969 W-31
>1969 4-4-2 parts car
>plus others
>
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:16:19 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 1968-1972 442 & Hurst/Olds Tailpipes/Trumpets

Wouldn't spreading them mess the crome up.  I think it would?

>Are not the trumpets 2.5 inches I.D.?  If so, you could butt weld them, 
or
>spread them with an exhaust spreader tool.  Or you could take them to 
any
>exhaust shop and have them put the tips on their air driven expander 
and
>have them blow them up.  Peter.


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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:23:40 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Z28 to Olds Segue, after RE: Chevrolet 350

Chris Smetana is Puttin' Out the Fire with Gasoline When He Sez:

> To throw more gas on the fire.  I have personally seen a first gen camaro
> with an original 6cyl 302 chevy motor. well at least that's what I was told
> about the car.

Chris, the person who told you was mis-informed and/or confused.  If it
had a 6, it was *probably* a 250 cid.  I say probably because Chevrolet --
and isn't that Francais for "baby goat"? ;) -- also made a 230 I6, at least
through 1966.  A friend's '66 Nova had one.

Also, I once had a '66 Biscayne with a 250 I6 -- Talk about yer rare but
un-desirable cars! :) -- so I know the 230 & 250 were offered concurrently;
but in all likelihood 1st gen. 6 cylinder Camaros were all 250s, which I'm
sure someone here knows for sure...

BTW, weren't there only ~500-700 '67 Z28s?  Many moons ago, I was out in my
garage, tinkering under the hood, when a young scruffy-looking guy walked
up with flyers in hand.  It seems he owned one of these first Zs, and it
was stolen.  He was offering a rahter substantial reward as I recall.
I also remember being practically *grilled* by this stranger, as to whether
I'd seen the car, etc.  If I were paranoid, I mighta got the impression
he thought I knew something about the crime :P

Olds content:

1)  As many of you know, the I6s Olds offered in the late 60s -- Now we're
    talkin' mega rare-yet-undesirable :) -- were simply chevy 250s.

2) Speaking of stolen cars, I just remembered another incident, occurring
   roughly the same time as the aforementioned Z28 heist.  One of my sister's
   old boyfriends had a brother in my graduating class. A real psycho :P
   Has since died, shot in FL by the brother of his girlfriend, whom this nut
   was apparently abusing.  Anyways, when he lived up here in Mass., he had an
   early 70s vintage Olds A-body. Dunno if it was a C/S, SX or even a 442.
   I only saw it once or twice.  I remember it was in nice shape.

   Anyways, he reported it stolen to the authorities.  Unfortunately for him,
   they found it a few months later.  In his friends garage, where psycho-boy
   hid it to collect the insurance $$$.  I'm not sure if he did time for
   that stunt, but it may have been one of the reasons he ended up in FL...



Tim Churchill  tchurchill@draper.com  OCA #30327  Framingham, MA
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'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, new a.k.a 'Old Gold'
'98 VW Passat GLS Wagon, a.k.a. 'der Kinderwagen'

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 10:29:44 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Crack in my 455 : (

Take his ass to small claims court.  You probably won't have to go to 
court it should scare him into giving your money back.

>Well,my weeks ben shot to h*ll ,i fond a Big'ol crack in my block 
>today,the guy told me it was hottanked ,magnfluxed, shotpeend.
>and that there was not one crack in the hole block,Well he lide to me.
>
>he put a'hole lot of goop in the crack to hide it ,untill i stript the 
>block.
>
>now,im sorry if this sound's bad ,it could just be that im realy mad at 
>him ,but is'int thare something we can do to guy's like this,
>that to stuff like this ,to guy like us?
>
>i meen ,i have never ript anybody off, and im just trying to build a 
455 
>for my car ,and I get ript off!   
>
>life just ant fair.
>
>
>Thanks
>      Ryan
>
>
>
>  My  -------   -------
>            /  |
>           /   |
>          /     ------
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>       /        ------    DELTA 88
>Ryan D Beck
>           Riviera72sss@hotmail.com
>
>
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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:42:41 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmail@webtv.net (mark sopp)
Subject: Re: Crack in my 455 : (

if you want fast results,contact attorney generals office(state) and get
a complaint form from bureau of consumer affairs,fill it out,sign it and
give copy to him, tell him he has 5 days or whatever to it right the
situation or you are sending the form via certified mail to their
office.this will not only get his attention,but it also stsrts a record
yo can use to proceed in future actions against  this -----   good luck

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:49:32 -0500
From: Marc Leizza <mleizza@solidworks.com>
Subject: T-Top Gaskets

Yesterday, I asked about T-Top Gaskets for a 75 H/O and I got a reply back
saying that a place called "Kanters" should have them and that they
advertise in hemmings but I couldn't find them.  Does any one know who and
where they are????

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 13:15:27 -0600
From: Paul Brillhart <pbrill1@uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Crack in my 455 : (

jason shreve wrote:
> 
> Take his ass to small claims court.  You probably won't have to go to
> court it should scare him into giving your money back.


Been there, done that.  It is more of a pain than you know.  He can
request a trial by jury and you must show to establish a trial time.  He
does not have to be there for that, but you do.  Also, unless you have
written documentation(i.e. receipts from him stating work done, block
condition and price paid) you have no proof and will only waste your
time off.  First try talking to him or someone else there.  Slowly
escalate things as warranted.  You may end up going to court or dropping
it.  I know you're pissed now, but it boils down to money lost versus
future time and effort burned.  He already got your money, don't let him
occupy time in your head.  

Paul

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:21:59 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Z28 to Olds Segue, after RE: Chevrolet 350

> > To throw more gas on the fire.  I have personally seen a first gen
> camaro
> > with an original 6cyl 302 chevy motor. well at least that's what I was
> told
> > about the car.
> 
> Chris, the person who told you was mis-informed and/or confused.  If it
> had a 6, it was *probably* a 250 cid.  I say probably because Chevrolet --
> and isn't that Francais for "baby goat"? ;) -- also made a 230 I6, at
> least
> through 1966.  A friend's '66 Nova had one.
> 
> 
Actually, someone mentioned a different displacement, like 260-something.
So I guess it's possible it could have been bored to 302.  I've got info on
the car _somewhere_, don't ask where.  I just thought it was neat to have a
302 6 cyl chevy, as it's something different.

> BTW, weren't there only ~500-700 '67 Z28s?  Many moons ago, I was out in 
don't know the exact number, but I know it is low.

> 1)  As many of you know, the I6s Olds offered in the late 60s -- Now we're
>     talkin' mega rare-yet-undesirable :) -- were simply chevy 250s.
Read about a few of these for sale, like 69 cutlass w/ a 6

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:27:19 -0500
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Crack in my 455 :(

i think we sholud pool our resources and help ryan find another motor. 

Erik Gertsen

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:31:43 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: RE: Z28 to Olds Segue, after RE: Chevrolet 350

Yea, stock Chevy 6's came in 230, 250, and 292. I'm sure there was room for
a few more cubes.

Omega Man
74 Omega S 455



At 02:21 PM 2/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> > To throw more gas on the fire.  I have personally seen a first gen
>> camaro
>> > with an original 6cyl 302 chevy motor. well at least that's what I was
>> told
>> > about the car.
>> 
>> Chris, the person who told you was mis-informed and/or confused.  If it
>> had a 6, it was *probably* a 250 cid.  I say probably because Chevrolet --
>> and isn't that Francais for "baby goat"? ;) -- also made a 230 I6, at
>> least
>> through 1966.  A friend's '66 Nova had one.
>> 
>> 
>Actually, someone mentioned a different displacement, like 260-something.
>So I guess it's possible it could have been bored to 302.  I've got info on
>the car _somewhere_, don't ask where.  I just thought it was neat to have a
>302 6 cyl chevy, as it's something different.
>
>> BTW, weren't there only ~500-700 '67 Z28s?  Many moons ago, I was out in 
>don't know the exact number, but I know it is low.
>
>> 1)  As many of you know, the I6s Olds offered in the late 60s -- Now we're
>>     talkin' mega rare-yet-undesirable :) -- were simply chevy 250s.
>Read about a few of these for sale, like 69 cutlass w/ a 6
>
>Chris Smetana
>Terre Haute, IN
>http://www.abcs.com/chris/
>
>1969 W-31
>1969 4-4-2 parts car
>plus others
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 14:40:48 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: Crack in my 455 :(

In a message dated 2/11/99, 2:30:09 PM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<i think we sholud pool our resources and help ryan find another motor. >>

I'd be willing to look around out here.


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-
 Midday Guy on Mix103FM
 Live audio at: www.mix103fm.com

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Date: Thu, 11 Feb 1999 11:51:55 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Rocket 350

You didn't say it wasa a friend!!  Look at it this way how often do you 
run across a 1968 engine?  Not often.  You are not selling a late 70's 
engine here.  It is very hard to find older engines.



>Peter, 
>
>I have to second Jason. $ 750 is what I would take for it including 
>you pulling it. You are kind of close to the buyer, that is why I would 
>not go any higher, just in case he has some trouble with the engine 
later 
>on. I have seen friendships go down the drain because of engine 
deals...
>(The engine will propably run another 100k miles but you never know if 
it 
>was serviced correctly or if it was abused and had its oil and water 
all 
>the time. You should include this risk in the price calculation. If the 
>buyer is lucky, well good, if not, well, you did not as for too much 
cash 
>and he can't be mad at you.)
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Regards, George


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