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oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, February 3 1999     Volume 01 : Number 1751



Rocket Engine Colors?
Re: The Day the Music Died (was Re: Groundhog)
Re: The Day the Music Died (was Re: Groundhog)
Re: rip-off artist
Got the 455 Performer
Re: The Day the Music Died (was Re: Groundhog)
Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers (was Re: glass for 71 cutlass s)
Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?
need distributor info
Re: Rocket Engine Colors?
Engine Builder
Re: New Hot Rod
RE: Engine Builder
Web page updated
more distributor info
Re: More 455 Head IDs
more dist info Mallory
Re: rip-off artist
'66 Steering Column in a '64?
Re: Got the 455 Performer
Re: Engine Builder
Re: Web page updated
Re: Web page updated
Re: New screen saver on its way...
Re: More 455 Head IDs
Olds Trader References Please
Re: Feasibility of a site with list of Olds sellers and ratings  (summary, 
long).
Re: More 455 Head IDs
Re: more dist info Mallory
Re: More 455 Head IDs
Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?
Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers
Re: Web page updated
Re: need distributor info
Re: Got the 455 Performer
Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?
Re: need distributor info
Fastest Oldsmobile Powered Car Alive?
Fastest Olds...
Distributor Info: (was: Re: need distributor info)
Re: Performance improvements of 1 Vs 3 angle valve job.
Black Oil
Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers
Re: Got the 455 Performer
Re: Engine Builder
Re: Fastest Oldsmobile Powered Car Alive?
Re: rear window defogger
Headers Real Benefit
Re: More Blower Problems!
Re: rear window defogger
Re: Fastest Oldsmobile Powered Car Alive?
Re: Headers Real Benefit
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1750
Re: New Hot Rod

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:40:01 -0600 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Rocket Engine Colors?

What year did Olds start painting the engines Black?

My 85 307 is black, my 82 307 intake is blue.  84??

We have done some thermal testing with color, black makes a significant
difference on how much heat is given off an object.  Like blocks, radiators,
etc.

Thanks!
Tom

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:44:16 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: The Day the Music Died (was Re: Groundhog)

Tim:
You are correct, was about 4:00 am which would make it the 3rd, not the
2nd. 
Lou
PS Not anal, correct! My anal, Don Mc wrote the song on the 3rd also,
little known and little cared for information.

- ----------
> From: Timothy A. Churchill <tchurchill@draper.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: The Day the Music Died (was Re: Groundhog)
> Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 7:02 AM
> 
> "Master" Costanzo said on Feb 2nd:
> > 
> > > And for anyone who cares, it's also the day that Sid Vicious died.
> > > 20 years today.
> 
> Lou Biggs followed up on the same day:
> > 
> > For the OLE folks:
> > Also Buddy Holly, Big Bopper, and Richie Valens, not a fan, just.02
> 
> Um, to be accurate (anal, I know), TODAY, Feb 3rd, is the "Day the Music
Died".
> 
> Exactly 40 years ago today.  Instead of flying that winter's night, they
> should've took an Olds to their next gig... 
> 
> Certainly the Beatles, Hendrix, and Janis Joplin, but prolly even Sid
Vicious
> himself took some inspiration from Holly's groundbreaking music.
> 
> I'm a fan, not an OLE folk... but I AM one of the Olds folks :)
> 
> 
> 
> Tim (Born 10 mos. after that bad day ) Churchill  tchurchill@draper.com
> OCA #30327  Framingham, MA
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
> '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, new a.k.a 'Old Gold'
> '98 VW Passat GLS Wagon, a.k.a. 'der Kinderwagen'

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:45:53 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: The Day the Music Died (was Re: Groundhog)

Elvis shot the pilot. 
Lou

- ----------
> From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: The Day the Music Died (was Re: Groundhog)
> Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 7:17 AM
> 
> In a message dated 2/3/1999 8:05:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> tchurchill@draper.com writes:
> 
> << Um, to be accurate (anal, I know), TODAY, Feb 3rd, is the "Day the
Music
> Died". >>
> 
> And if only we knew who shot the damned pilot!  Oh well......
> 
> Bill (a big Buddy Holly Fan) K

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:55:25 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: rip-off artist

Stefan:
DO NOT open any strange packages or boxes for a while.
Lou

- ----------
> From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: rip-off artist
> Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 1:30 PM
> 
> 
> Just so you guys know, this guy is not me. I'm Stefan Gadecki from
> Western Mass.  I just wanted to say that, so that people don't mistake
> me for him and start sending me death threats or something, thinking
> that I'm the one who ripped them off. I now return you to your regular
> sheduled Oldsmobiliac programming.
> 
> Stefan Gadecki
> 1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:56:21 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Got the 455 Performer

Well, I decided to get that Edelbrock 455 Performer intake.  In the end, I
got it for 1/2 the price of new and is like new (still in box).  It looks a
bit taller then stock, so I guess hood problems might come.  I doubt it in
my '81 Delta because the Edelbrock Open Filter sits a little lower then some
other ones.  SO, since my stock Q-jet is hot-air chock, what do I have to do
to get the chock not to kick in.  The Performer has no hot-air provision
(you all know that), so how do I get it not to kick in at all.  Also, I
might try that Holly just to see if it will do anything.  I guess better
bottom end might come from that, but it just might be too small.  I have it
and it is manual chock, so might as well try it (nothing to lose).  SO, all
I need now is a 750 Holly, better cam and a set of nice headers (if any
would ever fit), 4.10s and this Delta is ready to go to the track and see
what it can do.

I have two questions"

1) I know that distributor removal is NOT necessary on an Olds but
recommended when changing intakes.  I don't want to remove it simply because
on my '81 Delta, getting at the distributor bolt is a big BITCH.  The block
is too high (BB) and setting the timing was a fun experience.

2) I bought a set of composite gaskets to put in.  There is no hole for the
exhaust to go into the intake.  Do I leave it like this or do I make a hole.
I don't have EGR (obviously) and can't use hot-air chock, SO, do I leave it
closed or what.  The motor has no problem running warm, so I don't think
that fuel vaporization will be a problem.  However, since I don't know much
about it, what do I do?  Thanks.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23 posi)

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:06:37 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: The Day the Music Died (was Re: Groundhog)

Lou Biggs wrote:
> 
> Tim:
> You are correct, was about 4:00 am which would make it the 3rd, not the
> 2nd.
> Lou
> PS Not anal, correct! My anal, Don Mc wrote the song on the 3rd also,
> little known and little cared for information.

Literary and poetic license, I would assume.  Music, literature,
TV/movies, and politics play a little "loose" with the facts.  They tend
to get in the way it would seem.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:09:58 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers (was Re: glass for 71 cutlass s)

jlabay wrote:
> 
> What is so bad about the junkyard/salvageyard mentality? I don't understand.
> I suppose a professional Automotive Recycler is a better person? If so how
> is that? :-) 
> 
CLIPPING A LITTLE

> ----- Original Message -----
> 
> >>Mike, please do not refer to all professional Automotive Recyclers as
> >>Junkyards.  There is a large growing group that belong to the Automotive
> >>Recyclers Association, (ARA) that can be reached at www.autorecyc.org,
> that
> >>are working hard to loose the old Junkyard mentality.

Fred Sanford wannabes have true junk yards.  Most of these people don't
care what you call them as long as it's clean, and you pay with cash. 
The terminology will change with the area you are in.  They are referred
to as junkyards, salvage yards, recycling yards, used parts places, etc,
etc.  I don't think any of these are used in a derogatory manner, but in
a descriptive manner.  One doesn't go to an unused parts storage
facility, but to the dealer, parts department, etc.  Of course someone
will get irritated at that I guess.   Being politically corect all the
time is a real pain, because you are going to make someone mad no matter
what you do.  I will readily admit that some yards are run a lot more
professionally than others.  And the funny part about that is it doesn't
necessaarily mean the yards with the newest equipment and computers are
the best either.  I've gone to some yards that the guy runs basically
out of his head/hip pocket where he knows where everything is, what is
there, and the cars are arranged so neat it is almost scary.  Other
yards have computers and all the electronic gizmos and still can't find
anything.  It all depends on the owner/management and their personal
traits.  Usually, however, I have found that the major difference
between a "professional recycler" and a junkman is the price is about 3
times as high for the pro.  Of course some things you can't find at any
price.  Oh well.  Before I put the flame retardant suit on, I mean no
disrespect to any recycler, etal as I have several friends that are in
the business.  They are generally very good people that try to help the
public within the scope of their business.  And to a group like this
one, if they weren't around we would be in trouble trying to keep our
pride and joys on the road in a presentable form.  So I would say, call
them whatever is appropriate for your area, but address them with
respect.  Guarantee you it will be returned in kind.  I for one have
been a bit in awe of these people.  If you think about it, 30 years ago
the yards were not computerized with the interchanges they have now and
these guys still knew what was going on.  Get around some of these "old
timers" and listen to them talk about the old days.  You will learn a
lot.  And Jason, I agree with you on this deal.  Now, when is this
stupid weather going to break so we can drive the good cars again?  Hard
to put the top down on the Cutlai when it's raining and cold.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:06:56 PST
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?

Hi,

I had a '72 Cutlass Supreme.  It had Square ignition and oval for doors 
and trunk.

later,

Chris Rivier
Austin,TX
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST is BACK!
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 166K LAWN ORNAMENT!


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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:06:41 EST
From: EDZX6@aol.com
Subject: need distributor info

I just got my jeg's catalog in the mail and noticed that they have for sale
(at a great price) remanufactured Mallory distributors. Is anyone on the list
using one of those Unilite dist. If so, how are they? Do you need to mount the
coil separately? I'm currently using a very tired HEI dist. that needs
replacement and I'm considering changing to one of those dist.  Thanks!

Eddie    72 Cutlass conv / 4spd

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:16:37 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: Rocket Engine Colors?

>What year did Olds start painting the engines Black?
>


Tom --

All GM engines were painted black starting in 1983.  It was due to better
heat dissipation. Before that all GM engines were "corporate blue" from
early 1977 to 1982. Early 1977 and back each division had their own engine
colors.

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 442 W-30 convert
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
84 Hurst/Olds
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:21:43 -0500
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
Subject: Engine Builder

Does any one know a good Olds engine builder? I  would like to put
together  a reliable and stout street engine. 

Can any of you guys out there do this?

Tony Molinaro
amolinaro@mbakercorp.com

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:26:40 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: New Hot Rod

>Whoa, you guys are a little harsh.  First, I think the Camaro is pretty
>cool


Hats off to Joe P.!!  I saw the article and I think that the Camaro is
really trick!  There is no way anybody could call the owner of that car an
idiot.  He is an engineering expert!  Has anybody ever tried to fabricate
parts?  It is tough.....

 I have always wanted to do that to a Fiero!  I got close once... Had a V-6
85 Fiero GT given to me and at the same time I was parting a 70 Toro that
had rusted in half.........My gears were turning but I had too many project
going on at once. oh well.......Maybe next time!

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 442 W-30 convert
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
84 Hurst/Olds
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:27:33 -0600 
From: "Hansen, Dave" <dave.hansen@andersencorp.com>
Subject: RE: Engine Builder

Mondello IS the man. He ain't called Dr. Olds for nothin'.


Dave Hansen
'67 442 HT
'64 F85 HT
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Tony Molinaro [SMTP:AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com]
> Sent:	Wednesday, February 03, 1999 14:22
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Engine Builder
> 
> Does any one know a good Olds engine builder? I  would like to put
> together  a reliable and stout street engine. 
> 
> Can any of you guys out there do this?
> 
> Tony Molinaro
> amolinaro@mbakercorp.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:31:20 -0500 
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: Web page updated

Ladies and Gentleman,
With the permission of Joe Padavano I have posted some pictures of his on my
web page.  Basically, Joe sent me some pics he had and I thought the list
would enjoy them as well, so I threw together a web page.  It contains pics
of his cars being loaded onto a truck for his move from CA to the DC area in
1987 and pictures of his exotic Olds intake manifolds.  Definitely
recommended viewing, those intakes are cool!!!  and we get to see his fleet
of vehicles.
Point your browsers to
http://www.abcs.com/chris/joe_p.htm
or
http://www.abcs.com/chris/   and click on Joe's name

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:34:32 EST
From: EDZX6@aol.com
Subject: more distributor info

If I decided not to go with the Mallory dist. and instead keep the HEI anybody
know where I can purchase a new HEI dist. but only the bottom part I don't
need the cap, rotor, vac adv, wheights, I don't even need the module because I
don't use it with the MSD ignition. I figure all of this would also be more
cost effective in the purchase of a new one or even a remanufacture (rebuild)
one.  The car is a daily driver and can't afford to send the dist somewhere to
repair or rebuild it.  Thanks!

Eddie    72 Cutlass  conv / 4spd

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:39:50 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: More 455 Head IDs

>According to everything I've read, there are big valve and small valve E
>heads, and probably most every other olds head.  I've also read that the
>big valve heads were on the 442s.
>
>Heres the fun part.  Are there any clues to be found on an E head that
>might indicate that it came from a 442?  VIN possibly?  If not for E heads,
>how about C heads?
>


Mike --

Telling a big valve E head from a regular 2-incher is easy as long as
nobody has done any head work to it.  All big valve E heads have valve
spring dampers in them and standard small valve heads do not.  So all you
have to do is to pop a valve cover off and peek at the valve springs.  If
you see wahat appears to be a flat spring inside of the regular valve
spring it is a big valve head. If you just see a single valve spring with
nothing else, then it is a small valve head. Keep in mind that this rule
applies to 1970 E heads only.   All C heads have valve spring dampers so
you will have to remove the head and measure unless it is a 2-barrel motor.
then you will know that is a small valve unit.

Big valve Ga and the ultra rare big valve J (1973 M.T. cars only) also go
by this damper rule. 1971 G heads for the most part do too, but some small
valve units have dampers on springs without rotators.

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 442 W-30 convert
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
84 Hurst/Olds
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:40:28 EST
From: EDZX6@aol.com
Subject: more dist info Mallory

Is it possible to hook up a unilite mallory dist to an MSD 6AL using the
magnetic pick up set up? and also those anyone know if the distributors mech
adv can be locked out the same way you can lock out an HEI mech adv? Thanks!

( I don't know anything about Mallory Unilite distributors any info will help)

Eddie   72 Cutlass  conv / 4spd

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:38:52 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: rip-off artist

In a message dated 2/3/99 2:28:58 PM EST, sgadecki@yahoo.com writes:

<< Just so you guys know, this guy is not me. I'm Stefan Gadecki from
 Western Mass.  I just wanted to say that, so that people don't mistake
 me for him and start sending me death threats or something, thinking
 that I'm the one who ripped them off. >>

methinks thou protestith too much.
Only kidding, I don't even read Shakespeare (I only quote him!)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:45:55 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
Subject: '66 Steering Column in a '64?

Hi,
   Can anyone here positively confirm or deny whether or not the steering
column from a '66 Cutlass will fit and function properly in a '64 Cutlass? 
Thanks,
Gene
64 F-85

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:56:19 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: Got the 455 Performer

>2) I bought a set of composite gaskets to put in.  There is no hole for the
>exhaust to go into the intake.  Do I leave it like this or do I make a hole.
>I don't have EGR (obviously) and can't use hot-air chock, SO, do I leave it
>closed or what.  The motor has no problem running warm, so I don't think
>that fuel vaporization will be a problem.  However, since I don't know much
>about it, what do I do?  Thanks.


Igor --

Did you get the cast iron plugs with the intake?  If you don't use those,
your gaskets will burn through in no time. Especially with exhaust
manifolds.

I would block the exhaust crossover if you do not plan on using a chocke.
But be sure to use those rattly little plugs!

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 442 W-30 convert
70 Toro GT W_34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
84 Hurst/Olds
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:01:31 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Engine Builder

Probably depends on where you live.  The guys I took my engine to have as good
a rep as anyone in my city and I don't doubt that they do good work.  If you
want to go beyond a street/occasional stripe engine then, yes, Mondello would
be a natural choice.

Tony Molinaro wrote:
> 
> Does any one know a good Olds engine builder? I  would like to put
> together  a reliable and stout street engine.
> 
> Can any of you guys out there do this?
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:05:28 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Web page updated

Damn, Joe P.
Those are some mighty fine machines you have. I'm jealous as hell. How did
you ever get your hands on those rare intakes. Never seen anything like
them. Very cool. You looked a little nervous in that one pic. Who loaded
your cars? Were they qualified to navigate a big block Olds? 

I'm ordering everyone on the list to go to Chris's site and drool over Joe
P.'s Oldsmobiles.

Omega Man



At 03:31 PM 2/3/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Ladies and Gentleman,
>With the permission of Joe Padavano I have posted some pictures of his on my
>web page.  Basically, Joe sent me some pics he had and I thought the list
>would enjoy them as well, so I threw together a web page.  It contains pics
>of his cars being loaded onto a truck for his move from CA to the DC area in
>1987 and pictures of his exotic Olds intake manifolds.  Definitely
>recommended viewing, those intakes are cool!!!  and we get to see his fleet
>of vehicles.
>Point your browsers to
>http://www.abcs.com/chris/joe_p.htm
>or
>http://www.abcs.com/chris/   and click on Joe's name
>
>Chris Smetana
>Terre Haute, IN
>http://www.abcs.com/chris/
>
>1969 W-31
>1969 4-4-2 parts car
>plus others
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:11:29 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Web page updated

It's inconceivable that one person should have so many cool cars.  Just
inconceivable!  So where did the dual quad Olds intake come from?  And has
anyone ever mounted the Weber intake and carbs on an Olds?  Any pictures?

"Semantana Chris (ONEX)" wrote:
> 
> Ladies and Gentleman,
> With the permission of Joe Padavano I have posted some pictures of his on my
> web page.  Basically, Joe sent me some pics he had and I thought the list
> would enjoy them as well, so I threw together a web page.  It contains pics
> of his cars being loaded onto a truck for his move from CA to the DC area in
> 1987 and pictures of his exotic Olds intake manifolds.  Definitely
> recommended viewing, those intakes are cool!!!  and we get to see his fleet
> of vehicles.
> Point your browsers to
> http://www.abcs.com/chris/joe_p.htm
> or
> http://www.abcs.com/chris/   and click on Joe's name
- -- 

Cliff "now with even more respect for Joe P." Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:22:52 EST
From: MAT68442@aol.com
Subject: Re: New screen saver on its way...

I personally would suggest having text.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:28:51 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: More 455 Head IDs

>According to everything I've read, there are big valve and small valve E
>heads, and probably most every other olds head.  I've also read that the
>big valve heads were on the 442s.
>
>Heres the fun part.  Are there any clues to be found on an E head that
>might indicate that it came from a 442?  VIN possibly?  If not for E heads,
>how about C heads?
>


Mike --

Telling a big valve E head from a regular 2-incher is easy as long as
nobody has done any head work to it.  All big valve E heads have valve
spring dampers in them and standard small valve heads do not.  So all you
have to do is to pop a valve cover off and peek at the valve springs.  If
you see wahat appears to be a flat spring inside of the regular valve
spring it is a big valve head. If you just see a single valve spring with
nothing else, then it is a small valve head. Keep in mind that this rule
applies to 1970 E heads only.   All C heads have valve spring dampers so
you will have to remove the head and measure unless it is a 2-barrel motor.
then you will know that is a small valve unit.

Big valve Ga and the ultra rare big valve J (1973 M.T. cars only) also go
by this damper rule. 1971 G heads for the most part do too, but some small
valve units have dampers on springs without rotators.

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 442 W-30 convert
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
84 Hurst/Olds
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:39:08 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
Subject: Olds Trader References Please

Hi Guys,
    Has anyone ever dealt with Bruce Almont aka CMY70SX@aol.com? If you have
I would like to hear about your experiences, privately of course. Thanks,
Gene 
jerseydevil@mindspring.com 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:46:51 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Feasibility of a site with list of Olds sellers and ratings  
(summary, long).

Well there's been a lot of responses so here's what I'm hearing (massively
snipped and paraphrased):

1) Stefan Gadecki wrote: add a comments section.
	sounds good but may make some busier individuals sections too long.  
Maybe add
comments up to 5 then that person/company gets a page with a link?

2) Rock Man wrote: I wouldn't mind having my name on there, seconded the
comments idea.
	noted.

3) Mike Bloomer wrote: add in businesses that deal with Olds stuff.
	I was just planning on setting up sort of moderated spot.  As people 
write in
it would become populated so if people write in with comments about companies
then they too would be there.  I should probably pre-populate it with the big
companies but no comments or ratings.  Maybe a second, more detailed, page for
companies.  It would be great to break up parts into groups like; bumpers, body
panels, body parts, cooling, wheels, suspension, braking, engine parts, glass,
interiors, electrical, fuel systems, transmissions, differentials, decals,
plastics, chroming, etc. and then have links to the companies that have parts
of that type.  E.g.. Year One would have links under many of those categories
but Coker would only have an entry under wheels.

4) Steve Reed wrote: ~great~ to have on a common Site like 442.COM and
suggested something like an Austin ISP guide.
	See comment at bottom re: site.  The Austin ISP guide is great but I 
note that
they have put a lot more effort into it then I would anticipate this getting. 
The ISP guide has a separate page for each ISP's comments.  Perhaps as I
suggested before, max. 5 comments then the person/company gets a separate
page.  I expect that 70% of us have sold less than 6 items on the net.  Has
everyone been much busier than I have?

5) Lou Principe wrote: Maybe Brad could add this to the OCA Site if it's not
too much work.
	See comment at bottom re: site.

6) Ken Swick wrote: I would like a site for buyers and sellers on the list.
	I was envisioning more of a recommendation/warning site instead of 
specific
ads.  I think 442.com already does that well and duplicating it would be a bad
idea (detracts from a already strong resource).  Opinions?

7) Ray Costanzo wrote: It'd be cool to have a separate list for classified.
	Well just go ahead and make one then.  Oh, you already did:)  I was 
thinking
more of a web site but maybe people are just more comfortable using this list
and the parts list to ask about any one potential seller?

8) Dennis warned everyone of a jerk on eBay that goes by pontiac59.
	That's why we were discussing this.

9) Ray Costanzo noted that he's never had a problem but suggested a continent
wide vengeance group reeking violence and damage.
	OK, just count me out.

10) Gib "The Rocketman" Loudon offered to host it on Cutlass Net.
	See comment at bottom re: site.
 
11) Stephen Reed suggested drop down ratings of salesmen, delivery times, etc.
	That's a lot more extensive then what I originally envisioned.  See #3 
re:
second, more detailed page for companies.

12) Mike Bloomer suggested a rating system similar to eBay's with a point for a
good rating and a -1 point for a bad.  The points are on one page and the
detailed comments are on another, separate page.
	Well, eBay does already have an effective system so emulating it 
sounds like a
good idea.  It gives a "nutshell" idea and also allows comments.

13) Gene Gilpin wrote: might work, has the potential of making sellers known
that the rest of us didn't know existed
	I'll take that as a affirmative vote.

14) Steve Utick suggested something similar to http://www.resellerratings.com
(site with 7 criteria per company and ratings from 0 to 7 where each yes=1).
	Looks pretty good for companies, might be overkill for individuals, 
see #3.
	
	In a nutshell, it would seem like a good idea, format and site to be
determined.  

	If I was to do it I would have 2 sections, 1 for companies and 1 for
individuals.  For individuals there would be a list of people from a-z by name
with their ratings and comments.  People would have to use there "Find in Page"
search to find people by email address only (a good idea because a louse might
be using the same account but a fake name).  There would be a form for
individuals on my site that would ask:
	sellers email address,
	sellers name,
	sellers phone number if you want (for bad people hiding behind 
pseudonyms)
	rating -2 to +2 where -2=Very bad, -1=bad, 0=some reservations, 1=good,
2=excellent, 
	comment (1 line), 
	buyers name, 
	and buyers email address.  
	
	Clicking submit would send me an email and I would send a reply with 
the
subject heading "Please reply if you agree with this."  Once I received the
reply I would add the comments and recalculate the numerical score.  The
reply/reply thing would be added so that someone wouldn't slander someone using
someone else's name.  Unfortunately a system like this works best if everyone
fills out the form _every_ time they buy a Oldsmobile related item on the web. 
Is this too much of a pain in the ass to do?  Please be honest.

	I chose the -2 to +2 system because people could see what effect their 
vote
would have vs a 1-5 method or a text method.  It's just my suggestion, I'm not
married to it.

	The section for companies would have more detail, I have not even 
considered
what to put in there.

	Anyway, that's sort of what I'm suggesting, I thought I would post 
this and
see what people hated about it and then email 442.com's designer, the OCA web
guy, and the Cutlass Web guy the original post by me, this post, and any
additional suggestions from the list, and allow them to put forward ideas if
they would like to do it.  Maybe the list could chose the best sounding/most
accessible (let's be honest, it probably would be used more if it was on a
bigger site than mine) proposal.

Cliff "I'm tired now" Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:51:13 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: More 455 Head IDs

OK, so is there any rule to determine which ones are 77 cc's and which ones are
80 cc's?  Are all the big or small valve one's of the same displacement? or
would that be too easy?

Tony Waldner wrote:
> <snip>
> Telling a big valve E head from a regular 2-incher is easy as long as
> nobody has done any head work to it.  All big valve E heads have valve
> spring dampers in them and standard small valve heads do not.  <snip>
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:54:21 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: more dist info Mallory

> Is it possible to hook up a unilite mallory dist to an MSD 6AL using the
> magnetic pick up set up? 

I'm running a unilite, vac advance set up currently in my 71 442.  Works
like a champ.  Plus, I got the MSD 6AL hooked up to it with a Mallory
street coil.  Nothing special.  Just wire it up per the instructions. 
The MSD DOES make a bit of difference as far as quicker starting.  I
couldn't believe it myself until I jumpered it out to check and see what
difference if any it made.  I highly recommend this set up for street if
you don't have access to an HEI.  The mech and vac advances are
completely adjustable.  I SUPPOSE you could lock out the mechanical
advance, but why would you want to do that if it's gonna see street
action?

Anyway, that's my viewpoint.
Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:55:17 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: More 455 Head IDs

The Big Valve 455 1973 and up head is code "Ka" and is on the 455 4speed
engines and the L77 and  L76 Hurst Olds automatics of 73 and 74...Hot Rod
Harry from NJ........... <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">
1973 Olds Cutlass 455 4speed</A> 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:55:19 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?

In a message dated 2/3/99 8:18:50 AM Pacific Standard Time,
ab348@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<< The responses to look at the door lock cylinders for their codes really
 don't answer this question, and I'm interested in knowing this too. I have
 a tilt column for my Delta sitting around ready to go in but there is no
 key. I need to remove the cylinder. How? Any advice appreciated!
 
 Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada >>

       Greg, what year are you talking about? I assume you mean the steering
column cylinder, as the door lock cylinders are held in by a sort of spring
clip, removable with a flat blade screwdriver. Depending on year, and I am
only quite familiar with the '73 and later truck columns (they are the same
ones that th '78 and up Cutlass', and most likely cars much earlier than
'78..smae basic column until about 1994) But to get the cylinder out, you need
to drop the column loose from the body, disconnect the ignition/turn signal
switches, remove the steering wheel, lock plate, horn assembly, turn signal
switch has to be pulled free a ways, then you should be down far enough where
you can see the (usually) phillips head screw that holds the lock cylinder in.
Unscrew it, and the cylinder will pull out. At least with the lock cylinder in
the "off" position. I would think that even earlier columns would be similar,
at least requiring disassembly of the column somewaht to get to it. Good time
to tighten up the tilt columns typical looseness too! Good luck, Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:03:35 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, jlabay wrote:
> What is so bad about the junkyard/salvageyard mentality? I don't understand.
> I suppose a professional Automotive Recycler is a better person? If so how
> is that? :-)

I agree totally. I enjoy visiting junqueyardes very much. Always fun,
always entertaining even if you don't get anything. Even if some of the
owner/operators can be a little erratic sometimes. :)

BTW, I always like using ye olde english spelling of the term, as
popularized by longtime list member Bill Culp. I think he considered it a
term of respect and/or endearment.

I worry that a trend towards redefining these as recycling centers will
result in higher prices, less freedom to browse, and a bunch of other
negative things. I've seen this here locally with trash colllection
services, which are now a mere shadow of what they once were. You almost
have to send your garbage out for dry cleaning before they'll accept it
now... ;-)


Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:06:08 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Web page updated

W O W!!!!!!!!!!!!

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:04:33 -0600
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: need distributor info

Ed,  I've been down this road before.

quick review:  I had a mallory unilite in my '71 cutlass.  I later added an
MSD-6AL.  You can't use the magnetic pickup because the Unilite uses a light
beam and slotted rotor disk to trigger.

my car ran like crap and after replacing everything but the distributor, I
pulled it out and put in an HEI.  I gutted the HEI and hooked up my MSD-6AL
with the magnetic pickup.  Runs better than it ever did.  I also gained a
few MPG.

I got my HEI distributor from Pep boys for $100.  Comes with just the
bottom, no cap, rotor, or coil.  You'll need an old one to turn in, or pay
an extra $20.

I then yanked out the module and hooked up the two wire harness that MSD
supplies with the MSD-6AL.  Get the $8 extention cord to plug it into the
MSD box if needed.  Get a premium cap and rotor, the cap should have brass
contacts in it.

Don't forget you'll need new wires.  I like Taylor Pro Street wires from
summit or jegs...about $40.

Also, I'm running MSD's super expensive coil ($72), but I'm sure the generic
summit $40 one will work fine.

I had too much vacuum advance with pinging so i unhooked it and put in a
recurve kit with adjustable vacuum advance.  From Crane cams.

Lot's of money, but it starts on the first crank and hasn't misfired once.
That Mallory is a piece of shit.  I would recommend anyone to go the
HEI/MSD6 route

good luck!

- -greg

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:09:43 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Got the 455 Performer

>Igor --
>
>Did you get the cast iron plugs with the intake?  If you don't use those,
>your gaskets will burn through in no time. Especially with exhaust
>manifolds.
>
>I would block the exhaust crossover if you do not plan on using a chocke.
>But be sure to use those rattly little plugs!

No.  Where can I get them.  What happens if I don't block the cross-over.
Do I lose power or is in not a big deal. Thanks.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:14:02 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999 DYeager535@aol.com wrote:
>        Greg, what year are you talking about?

It's a tilt/tele column from a '77-'79 Delta.

> But to get the cylinder out, you need
> to drop the column loose from the body, disconnect the ignition/turn signal
> switches,

Since it is currently sitting on my workbench in the basement that isn't a
problem... ;-)

> remove the steering wheel, lock plate, horn assembly, turn signal
> switch has to be pulled free a ways, then you should be down far enough where
> you can see the (usually) phillips head screw that holds the lock cylinder 
in.
> Unscrew it, and the cylinder will pull out. At least with the lock cylinder 
in
> the "off" position. I would think that even earlier columns would be similar,
> at least requiring disassembly of the column somewaht to get to it. Good time
> to tighten up the tilt columns typical looseness too! Good luck, Dorian

AH-HA! There's the info I was looking for. Thanks!! 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 17:13:35 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: need distributor info

> That Mallory is a piece of shit.  I would recommend anyone to go the
> HEI/MSD6 route

Greg, don't hold back.  Tell us how you really feel.... :)  Gotta tell
ya, the direct and to the point feedbacks are usually the best! hahaha

I've heard a bunch of horror stories about the unilites, but I must have
done something wrong cuz I've had NO problems whatsoever from mine since
its installation in '95.  Which is precisely why I bought it.  Didn't
want to fool with points.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:16:37 -0600 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Fastest Oldsmobile Powered Car Alive?

Proposal: go visit this link!  No advertising, you just have to see it to
believe it, is this the fastest Olds powered car?

http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/mcarlson/vector.html

I thought it was a Ch#vy SB, 6.0L V8.  Is this a diesel block at 6L?

Anyone know anything about this?  (Which happens to be my favorite car above
all!)

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:17:10 -0600 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Fastest Olds...

Sorry, 7.0L.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:18:33 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Distributor Info: (was: Re: need distributor info)

>Lot's of money, but it starts on the first crank and hasn't misfired once.
>That Mallory is a piece of shit.  I would recommend anyone to go the
>HEI/MSD6 route


Okay, this is what I have:

HEI (from 307), Morso curve kit (weights & springs) Right now it has one
heavy and one medium spring.
Accel SuperCoil and Accel wires.  The motor is a fresh 455 .030 over, 9.6
CR.  The cam is Speed Pro: 204/214@.050 duration, .448/.472 lift.  The
timing is set at 16 deg. BTDC @1100 RPM.  The fuel I use is Supreme and it
has 3.23s.  What should I do to upgrade my ignition and what will IT do.
What does a MSD box do and how.  I heard about rev. limiters in those
things.  4600 RPM sounds good for me.  Thanks.  Igor.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 14:20:57 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re: Performance improvements of 1 Vs 3 angle valve job.

>Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:44:22 -0500
>From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
>Subject: Re: Performance improvements of 1 Vs 3 angle valve job.

>I'm not trying to muddy the waters, here.  But I have a question.  It see
>ms to me that a 1 angle valve job allows for a greater contact area between
the
>valve and the valve seat,promoting better cooling of the valve.


Yes it could, but I severely doubt thousandths of an inch will make any
difference.  The main point of the 3 angle valve job it to LOCATE where the
2 surfaces are mating.  With a one angle job (On valve seat), it can start
mating from the middle on the valve face to the end of the valve [running
off the valve itself], not allowing proper 100% seating of the mating
surfaces.  It can also be to thin of a mating surface {especially exhaust
valve/seats} therefore creating a cause for a burnt valve.

> I understand the performance benefits of the multi-angle valve job over a
single angle job  I realize a hi-po rebuild should go with a multi-angle
job, but
> wouldn't a single angle grind be ideal for just plain daily-driver
robustness?  Of course, I could be wrong so I welcome rebuttals,
corrections, etc.

To be honest I don't think a machine shop would even do a 1 angle valve seat
cut anymore.

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:26:00 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Black Oil

Why does oil go black.  My 455 is new and it sits for a long time.  The oil
is starting to look darker and it smells a bit like fuel as well.  It burns
no oil (new motor) or anything abnormal.  Only one thing though.  That piece
of SHIT chrome dipstick I put in the car KEEPS flaking.  God damn it.  I put
a magnetic drain plug and I know when I pull it off it is going to be full
of crap from this dipstick.  HATE IT.  I am going to get my old 307 stick
and see if it fits.  However, I still have the base in chrome, so maybe that
is flaking as well.  This was my first motor and next time, the dip-stick
WILL get installed before the oil pan.  I was following the book too much,
so I have no idea how it looks like from underneath.  Damn it.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:18:19 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers

Greg and fellow olds fanatics,

Here in Louisiana the junquejardes are pretty much old fashioned. (There 
is nothing really modern here and "Recycling" is an unknown word.) I like 
to go to the yards and if you don't have the time they will pull whatever 
you want for a $10-20/hour wage. Back in Germany where I come from we had 
those Recycle places: Often you could get new/manufactured parts for not 
much more then the crap at the recyclers!

Junkjard owners here in Louisiana are often very entertaining and their 
employees usually get very shaky if it gets to numbers, so whenever you 
buy more then one thing they will go with your price suggestion, rather 
then adding ;-)

The only thing that scared me on my last junkjard day was that a lady 
asked me if I am working there...

Olds content: Haven't found old oldses on any of these yards. :-(

Have a good Olds-day!
George
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, jlabay wrote:
> > What is so bad about the junkyard/salvageyard mentality? I don't 
understand.
> > I suppose a professional Automotive Recycler is a better person? If so how
> > is that? :-)
> 
> I agree totally. I enjoy visiting junqueyardes very much. Always fun,
> always entertaining even if you don't get anything. Even if some of the
> owner/operators can be a little erratic sometimes. :)
> 
> BTW, I always like using ye olde english spelling of the term, as
> popularized by longtime list member Bill Culp. I think he considered it a
> term of respect and/or endearment.
> 
> I worry that a trend towards redefining these as recycling centers will
> result in higher prices, less freedom to browse, and a bunch of other
> negative things. I've seen this here locally with trash colllection
> services, which are now a mere shadow of what they once were. You almost
> have to send your garbage out for dry cleaning before they'll accept it
> now... ;-)
> 
> 
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
> 
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:45:57 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Got the 455 Performer

Congrats on the purchase, good price.

"Igor T. '81 DRB 455" wrote:
> 
> >Igor --
> >
> >Did you get the cast iron plugs with the intake?  If you don't use those,
> >your gaskets will burn through in no time. Especially with exhaust
> >manifolds.
> >
> >I would block the exhaust crossover if you do not plan on using a chocke.
> >But be sure to use those rattly little plugs!
> 
> No.  Where can I get them.  What happens if I don't block the cross-over.
> Do I lose power or is in not a big deal. Thanks.

The steel plugs are available from Edelbrock.  There was a long thread about
them rattling and I believe the final consensus was to weld them in.  

I find it interesting that people say the gasket will burn through and yet my
Ch*v*ll*'s never has.  The gaskets I used came with little tin pieces that you
are supposed to install according to a guide book.  Being a know-it-all I
installed them on both sides so that my intake would be cooler and I would get
a denser charge but now my choke doesn't work.  I've been waiting for 65,000
miles for them to burn out and re-enable my choke but so far they seem to be
holding.
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 17:46:19 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Builder

Danny Lattimore, IMHO the equal of Mondello in pure Olds engine building
knowledge and ability.  Located in Tidewater, VA.  I can dig up contact info
if you need it, or contact Jim Chermac (Chermac@exis.net).
Regards,
Fred
- -----Original Message-----
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 3:40 PM
Subject: Engine Builder


>Does any one know a good Olds engine builder? I  would like to put
>together  a reliable and stout street engine.
>
>Can any of you guys out there do this?
>
>Tony Molinaro
>amolinaro@mbakercorp.com
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:03:37 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Fastest Oldsmobile Powered Car Alive?

I thought the vector was the car that Charlie Sheen looked at buying.  I read a
magazine, possibly Mcleans, report about how Magna was trying to get an
American supercar built.  They noted that Charlie Sheen took it out for a test
drive to see if he wanted to buy one and when he returned the bottom of the car
was on fire.  Apparently the exhaust pipes were too hot and too close to
something flammable.  Since the flames where getting close to the gas tank he
felt that it was a problem:) and didn't buy one.

Must not have been Olds powered, Oldsmobiles don't do dumb things like that.

Martin Thomas-WLTM07 wrote:
> 
> Proposal: go visit this link!  No advertising, you just have to see it to
> believe it, is this the fastest Olds powered car?
> 
> http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/mcarlson/vector.html
> 
> I thought it was a Ch#vy SB, 6.0L V8.  Is this a diesel block at 6L?
> 
> Anyone know anything about this?  (Which happens to be my favorite car above
> all!)
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:13:16 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: rear window defogger

I am having the same problem with my 72.  I can not get mine to work and 
can't figure out why!

>I am trying to diagnose the rear window defogger on my 79
>Cutlass Salon.  I have the trim plate off.  It's wired straight
>into the fuse box so there is no fuse to check.  What should I
>be looking for?
>
>Darren King
>


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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 16:19:03 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Headers Real Benefit

I like headers.  I like the sound, the power, the look, the flow, etc.  If
they would fit, I would have had them no question.  However, I can't find
any that fit my '81 Delta with the 455.  So my question is to those that
have gone from manifolds to headers.  The car is 9.6 CR, bottom-end cam,
ported and polished exhaust side (removed A.I.R. bump), Performer Intake
(just bought it did not put in yet) with dual 2.5" pipes, balancer tube,
Dynomax Super Turbo mufflers and 2.25" tail pipes.  How much do you think
Headers would add.  According to the Desk Top Dyno, a lot.  They would be a
serious pain in the but to fabricate/fit in.  Igor.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:26:52 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: More Blower Problems!

Did you check the relay on the firewall in the engine compartment?  I 
have changed this on three different cars and it is always the problem,  
It is a cheap part try it before you buy a fan moter and have the same 
problem!



>    My car must of heard me talking about it. Now the blower does not 
w=
>ork at
>all!
>I want to avoid replacing the blower motor as you all can imagine. 
Does=
> anybody
>know any other possible areas to check first? I checked the fuse and 
it=
>s good.
>I did not get a chance to check my relays regarding my =93Hi=94 switch 
=
>setting
>problem before the blower stopped working.
>    My trucks trans. decided to spewed all of its guts a week ago. So 
I=
> have to
>drive
>my 74 98 now. Its going to snow today and I have no heat. I need help!
>    Thank god for this list, I wish this list was around when I 
started=
> driving,
>you young kids have
>it made. I can only imagine all the mistakes I could have avoided. 
Make=
>s me
>sick.
>
>Thanks again
>James Aiello
>74 98
>70 Cutlass conv.
>70 442
>
>


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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 16:36:15 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: rear window defogger

I always start at the easiest thing, in this case have you used a voltmeter or
test light to confirm that there is power at the connectors at the window?  If
there is no power then check that the ground wire is properly grounded and try
to find where the +wire goes under the carpet and see if it is powered.  If
there is no power where the wire goes under the carpet then check for power on
both sides of the switch.

If there is power then you may have broken heating wires (the thin material on
the glass that gets hot).  It's common to have one or two go but not all unless
you have been using a scraper on the inside of the glass.  The Hayes manual
describes how to find where the heater wire is broken so if you really thinks
that's where the problem is then email me and I will read the manual and post
what it recommends.

jason shreve wrote:
> 
> I am having the same problem with my 72.  I can not get mine to work and
> can't figure out why!
> 
> >I am trying to diagnose the rear window defogger on my 79
> >Cutlass Salon.  I have the trim plate off.  It's wired straight
> >into the fuse box so there is no fuse to check.  What should I
> >be looking for?
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:40:14 -0500
From: "C Thomas" <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: Re: Fastest Oldsmobile Powered Car Alive?

Im not totally sure but What about the Oldsmobile Powered Shelby Series One!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: Fastest Oldsmobile Powered Car Alive?


>
>I thought the vector was the car that Charlie Sheen looked at buying.  I
read a
>magazine, possibly Mcleans, report about how Magna was trying to get an
>American supercar built.  They noted that Charlie Sheen took it out for a
test
>drive to see if he wanted to buy one and when he returned the bottom of the
car
>was on fire.  Apparently the exhaust pipes were too hot and too close to
>something flammable.  Since the flames where getting close to the gas tank
he
>felt that it was a problem:) and didn't buy one.
>
>Must not have been Olds powered, Oldsmobiles don't do dumb things like
that.
>
>Martin Thomas-WLTM07 wrote:
>>
>> Proposal: go visit this link!  No advertising, you just have to see it to
>> believe it, is this the fastest Olds powered car?
>>
>> http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/mcarlson/vector.html
>>
>> I thought it was a Ch#vy SB, 6.0L V8.  Is this a diesel block at 6L?
>>
>> Anyone know anything about this?  (Which happens to be my favorite car
above
>> all!)
>--
>
>Cliff Simpson
>mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
>'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
>http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:07:47 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Headers Real Benefit

In a message dated 2/3/99 3:20:29 PM Pacific Standard Time, igor455@home.com
writes:

<< I like headers.  I like the sound, the power, the look, the flow, etc.  If
 they would fit, I would have had them no question.  However, I can't find
 any that fit my '81 Delta with the 455.  So my question is to those that
 have gone from manifolds to headers.  The car is 9.6 CR, bottom-end cam,
 ported and polished exhaust side (removed A.I.R. bump), Performer Intake
 (just bought it did not put in yet) with dual 2.5" pipes, balancer tube,
 Dynomax Super Turbo mufflers and 2.25" tail pipes.  How much do you think
 Headers would add.  According to the Desk Top Dyno, a lot.  They would be a
 serious pain in the but to fabricate/fit in.  Igor >>

       Igor, I think that the Desktop Dyno is not really that accurate (try
plugging in factory specs...I couldn't get the 403 up to what the factory
HP/torque ratings were) As I was plugging in the specs on my 403, and changing
things around (and noticing not much of a diff with a 400 or 1100 CFM carb!) I
realized a few problems. 1: Carb specs are generic..no vacuum secondaries or
manual..I think that would be a big difference..what are they assuming you are
running?? 2: The headers/manifolds problem. It says "performance" stock
exhaust (or whatever it is) then jumps to headers...I'm betting that they are
not counting manifolds with true duals. 
       Also look at the header companies literature..they say (last I checked)
15-30 HP gains. Well, if your going from stock single, which I almost
guarantee, to headers, dual exhaust, sure your going to notice a difference.
Now the cat. back systems are a little different I would think, due to the
high flow cats, bigger pipes, etc. Of course going with bigger pipes from the
exhaust ports back will help it flow better, but switching from dual exhaust
manifolds to dual exhaust headers probably isn't going to be that big of a
difference compared to single exhaust to duals. Anyone have dyno sheets or
time cards to back me up or disprove me? (by the way, I have heard of a better
Dyno program that is supposedly more accurate, a machine shop told me about
it..can't remember the name though..anyone got a different dyno program?)
																
Dorian

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 19:23:19 EST
From: BBwhip@aol.com
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1750

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:38:14 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>

Subject: Re: New Hot Rod

>Whoa, you guys are a little harsh

Not really, Joe.  My comments were directed at that 
percentage of the cheby lovers population that are
blissful in thier ignorance of any other make.  You 
know them, their the guys that start talking trash about
anything non-cheby saying that x-brand motor/car is
junk without the slightest clue as to what parts of the
motor/car is inferior.  Once had an arguement with
a guy (my brother) for several hours trying to explain
to him that the 403 in his Trans Am was a Olds motor,
not a pontiac!  And this is the guy who got me started
working on cars.  Needless to say, putting a 455 in 
a cheby with valve covers that say cheby is going to
make a certain amount of the cheby population think
that it really is a cheby.  I love all cars based on their
"eye appeal" value, not their brand.  Now honestly tell
me if there aren't going to be diehard cheby guys 
that will look at that motor at a show, see cheby on the
valve covers, and start trying to figure out if it's a bbc
or sbc.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
 

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