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oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, February 6 1999     Volume 01 : Number 1756



cat?
Re: A.I.R. Manifold availability?
Exhaust temp?
Re: cat?
Re: cat?
Re: Intake Manifold Install
Olds 425/455 V8 in a AMC?
Re: Inter State Emission testing?
Re: Exhaust temp?
New article posted on The Oldszone - very brief history of 442.
Re: Stripes and weatherstrips.
Re: What's Purple and Horny.....?
need radiator hoses for a 64 Olds Cutlass 330
Jim Chermack's Phone #
Re: Intake Manifold Install
Re: Intake Manifold Install
Re: need radiator hoses for a 64 Olds Cutlass 330
Re: Jim Chermack's Phone # (fwd)
70 Cutlass Supreme FOR SALE
smog dog muzzle
Olds' logo license plates
Re: HURST OLDS
FS: '68 Rear Defogger Assembly 
Re: Intake Manifold Install
Re: Intake Manifold Install
Re: smog dog muzzle
Re: FS: '68 Rear Defogger Assembly
Re: FS: '68 Rear Defogger Assembly
Re: smog dog muzzle
Re: Olds' logo license plates
Still here
Re: Exhaust temp?
Re: smog dog muzzle
subscribe oldsmobile
Re: FS: '68 Rear Defogger Assembly
Re: Still here
Re: Olds 425/455 V8 in a AMC?
Re: Still here
Grumpy Ole Men
Bad Day...need '66 parts
Re: '67 Cutlass headers
Re: Alternator Dying (75 Cutl)
Re: Intake Manifold Install
She's In!!
Re: Intake Manifold Install
455 OLDS PERFORMER INSTALLED
Re: The Vertical Challenge (Was Re: 70-72 Buckets)
Re: What's Purple and Horny.....?
RE: cat?
Re: 442 Stripes
Re: HURST/OLDS PRICES
RE: A.I.R. Manifold availability?
Re: Olds' logo license plates
Re: The Day the Music Died (was Re: Groundhog)
Parts hunt.
Re: cat?
Low Fuel Light
Re: Inter State Emission testing?
How Cats Meow was:Inter State Emission testing? (long)
RE: Exhaust temp?
rear seats
Re: parts for sale
Re: Inter State Emission testing?(long)
Re: Olds 425/455 V8 in a AMC?
Re: Low Fuel Light
Hey, Gary IROC
P/S Leak (Was: Sid "Groundhog" Viscious + SOM)
Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)
Re: Exhaust temp?
Re: The Vertical Challenge (Was Re: 70-72 Buckets)
Re: Olds' logo license plates

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:52:34 -0500 
From: Darren King <KingD@sx.com>
Subject: cat?

Man this 79 Cutlass Salon is a project...supposed to
be my beater but I'm spending way too much on it.
What's it mean when the floor above the catalytic
converter gets hot?  I looked at the exhaust and it's
rusty but no holes.  I'd like to make it to spring before
I have to change it.

Thanks,

Darren King

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:52:57 -0600 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: A.I.R. Manifold availability?

One word of advice on replacing them, be extremely careful removing the
check valves, they will twist and destroy the whole array.  Best to leave
the existing one on unless you are sure they are loose enough or not frozen
on.

BTW, I am looking for a decent pair of 307 5A (not 7A) heads or older 350
heads with AIR tapped in the heads.  Anyone out there have a set they want
to part with?

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:19:15 -0600 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Exhaust temp?

Which is better a hot exhaust (out of manifold) or cool?  Which means more
power?

Do large pipes have a big effect on EGT and does this effect power by
cooling down (aftercool effect) once the gas is getting farther down the
pipe?

I have heard header wraps help this but why?

Thanks!
Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 13:54:59 -0600
From: "Roger Hitson" <hitson@i1.net>
Subject: Re: cat?

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 2/5/99, at 1:52 PM, Darren King wrote: 

<snip>.
>What's it mean when the floor above the catalytic
>converter gets hot?  

Couple possibilities come to mind:
bad convertor - can be tested 

running too lean


I had a truck with same problem. Was due to a vacuum leak causing fuel mix to 
be way lean. May you be so fortunate.

roger 

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:00:57 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@rbnet.com>
Subject: Re: cat?

Darren King wrote:
> 
> Man this 79 Cutlass Salon is a project...supposed to
> be my beater but I'm spending way too much on it.
> What's it mean when the floor above the catalytic
> converter gets hot? 

It could mean the engine is running too rich, the cat is plugged, the
heat shield is missing or rusted out, or any combination of that.  

If your heat shield's still there the next step is to make sure the
engine is running correctly.  If it's not then it'll just mess up the
next catylitic converter you put on it. I'd look at the carb first, it's
the most likely culprit on an old car.  

If the engine is running well but the cat still gets the floor too hot
then it's probably time to look into getting a new cat.  I've heard that
you can remove a plug in the underside of the early catylitic converters
to take the pellets out.  That might solve your problem if the cat is
plugged up, but it's illegal.

Good luck.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:54:42 -0600 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Install

In 1985 Olds did not use any valve cover gaskets or intake end seals, they
used just the goo for them.  Saves time and money, and seals well, mine did
not leak up to 186K miles.  

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 12:58:57 -0600 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Olds 425/455 V8 in a AMC?

What?  Did I type that?

Ok, good, no typos.....

Got a friend with a 1990 AMC/Jeep Grand Wagoneer with a poor excuse for a
5.8L V8 called a 360.  AMC not ChryCo 360.  He wants more power, and finding
a 401 for a reasonable cost has proven useless, even here near Kenosha!  So,
if all else fails drop in a 7.5L Olds Rocket Motor!!  It would move the
beast of a 4X4 much better and more efficient than a 360 or 401, and have
more than enough power to tow through the Rockies.  

Has anyone any knowledge or advice on doing this swap on a 4X4?  The trans
is a 727 with AMC pattern.  I would like to see a THM350 or prefer a THM400
in its place.

Thanks!
Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:18:31 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?

In a message dated 02/05/1999 2:54:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
barbw@uswest.net writes:

<< Here in Phoenix they have the mobile testing units known as "smog dogs".
They are
 strategically positioned either at a freeway on ramp or off ramp at a point
where
 you will be accelerating.  An infrared sensor measures the emissions coming
from
 your tailpipe and a camera snaps your license plate number.  >>

How could something like this be accurate?  Anything in the air could cause a
false reading.

What if the tester farts (sorry if this offends anyone) while your car is
going by.  I wouldn't want to get written up for that.  This is really big
brother watching.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:46:20 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Exhaust temp?

In a message dated 2/5/99 11:23:42 AM Pacific Standard Time, Thomas_Martin-
WLTM07@css.mot.com writes:

<< Do large pipes have a big effect on EGT and does this effect power by
 cooling down (aftercool effect) once the gas is getting farther down the
 pipe?
 
 I have heard header wraps help this but why? >>

      I would think header wraps help by containing heat in the exhaust, and
not letting as much heat remain in the engine compartment, which will warm
EVERYTHING up. My thoughts, Dorian

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 13:50:27 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: New article posted on The Oldszone - very brief history of 442.

I just posted an article called "442 Series Evolved from Huge V8 to Peppy Four"
by a fellow named Bill Vance.  Its at
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html select Articles and then
click on the title.

I doubt it has any information that most of you do not know but it may interest
someone.
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:48:05 EST
From: Junkdlr@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stripes and weatherstrips.

Call us for striping kits;
561-640-4135  Ask for Diane

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:01:28 EST
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: What's Purple and Horny.....?

Far out dudes!
	Cyclone Purple Hornies eh? I ran them back in the late 70's and early 
80's
and they weren't really all that bad. A point to remember though is that they
connect right to the header collectors and end about mid-car. Many states have
a law that says exhaust has to reach beyond the rear axle or exit the side ala
NASCAR.
									Ron 
Forsee
									65 
442-Meister 

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:03:25 -0500
From: Doug Ahern <doug@mail.RATH.PeachNet.EDU>
Subject: need radiator hoses for a 64 Olds Cutlass 330

Anyone have a source for molded radiator hoses for a 64 Olds Cutlass 330?
radiator's top hose is on driverside, bottom hose on drivers side as well.

Doug

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:06:37 -0500
From: "Jim & Sharon Brady" <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
Subject: Jim Chermack's Phone #

Can someone please give me Jim Chermacks Phone # so I can place an order?  I
have his e-Mail address but lost his phone #.  Please send a direct
response.

Jim Brady
1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
bradyiii@shore.intercom.net

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 13:25:16 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Install

> >I suggest you also use a bead of silicone around the water ports.
Around
> the intake ports, i don't use silicone, but use brush tack or similar
> >
> >roger hitson
====================================
Okay, that's what I have thought. When I installed mine, I put black
RTV around the water ports. I did not use the valley gaskets due to
the bad luck I had before. So, I just laid a bead of silicone on the
front and rear. Now, is it just personal preference on what type of
gasket you use? I have always used the metal gaskets. Is there a
benefit/downfall of using a valley gasket? I have always guessed that
it would trap heat, but then thinking took over (blasted brain!) and I
started thinking that maybe the valley pan would keep the hot oil away
from the underside of your intake. Is this the purpose of these pans? 

*Feeling like a total newbie now LOL*
Del
==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
_________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:34:33 -0600
From: "Roger Hitson" <hitson@i1.net>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Install

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 2/5/99, at 1:25 PM, Rock Man wrote: 

<snipped>
> I have always guessed that
>it would trap heat, but then thinking took over (blasted brain!) and I
>started thinking that maybe the valley pan would keep the hot oil away
>from the underside of your intake. Is this the purpose of these pans? 
>
YES

roger

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:37:05 -0600
From: "Roger Hitson" <hitson@i1.net>
Subject: Re: need radiator hoses for a 64 Olds Cutlass 330

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 2/5/99, at 4:03 PM, Doug Ahern wrote: 

>Anyone have a source for molded radiator hoses for a 64 Olds Cutlass 330?
>radiator's top hose is on driverside, bottom hose on drivers side as well.

I have a silly question, Doug. have you tried NAPA?

roger h

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 15:33:03 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Jim Chermack's Phone # (fwd)

Hi Jim, 

I post this to the list that everybody knows you got the other Jims phone 
number already...

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts
757 474 0869     

So long, George
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, Jim & Sharon Brady wrote:

> Can someone please give me Jim Chermacks Phone # so I can place an order?  I
> have his e-Mail address but lost his phone #.  Please send a direct
> response.
> 
> Jim Brady
> 1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible
> http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
> bradyiii@shore.intercom.net
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:44:03 EST
From: KASOLDS@aol.com
Subject: 70 Cutlass Supreme FOR SALE

	I have a friend who is selling a 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 350 
4bbl.
The car has new red paint.  He is asking $6500.  The car is located in
Jefferson, WI.  Sorry, I dont know many details, but if anyone is interested I
can find out more. 
E-mail me at KEITH442@aol.com

Keith
(70 442)

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:53:16 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmail@webtv.net (mark sopp)
Subject: smog dog muzzle

i just saw in an issue of car and driver an ad for a company that sells
a clear overlay for license plates that makes it impossible fora camera
to photograph your plate.if what you say is true about these smog
dogs,these lenses which were invented to defeat photo radar should be
just the ticket 'btw you got way too much big brother in arizona.

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 16:00:55 -0600
From: "Shane" <sgibreal@nctc.net>
Subject: Olds' logo license plates

Hey everybody,
I found a set of Olds logo license plates for sale on ebay. I have bid
up to $22.00 and am still out bid.
My questions; How much are these worth, are they still made and if so
where can I get a set?
I want to put them on my drag '67 Cutlass.

Thanks,
Shane

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:00:35 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmail@webtv.net (mark sopp)
Subject: Re: HURST OLDS

the only way i would consider a 70 camaro over a 442 would be if it had
YENKO painted on the car 

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 17:06:43 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
Subject: FS: '68 Rear Defogger Assembly 

Hi Guys,
   I have a rear defogger assembly out of a '68 Cutlass with most of the
wiring and switch. The grill is decent but the steel pan is rusty and the
motor does not turn freely. If anyone needs this you can have it for $5 plus
shipping. Email me privately. Thanks,
Gene

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:10:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Install

> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
> 
> On 2/5/99, at 1:25 PM, Rock Man wrote: 
> 
> <snipped>
> > I have always guessed that
> >it would trap heat, but then thinking took over (blasted brain!)
and I
> >started thinking that maybe the valley pan would keep the hot oil
away
> >from the underside of your intake. Is this the purpose of these
pans? 
> >
> YES
> 
> roger
=================================

Does it actually help any? I will be taking my intake off again to
have my heads worked over a bit and might go with the valley pan if it
actually helps keep the heat out of the fuel mixture.
==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 17:10:50 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Install

> In 1985 Olds did not use any valve cover gaskets or intake end seals, they
> used just the goo for them.

Hmmmm.  Both my 85 442s have end seals on the intake manifold, and
neither engine has been apart yet. (however one of those nasty little
corner intake water leaks has appeared so the gray one will get its
manifold pulled shortly)  The 85 chassis manual says they should be
installed when replacing (shows picture).  When in Rome.....

I do know about the valve cover goo seals however.  This is 1052915, GE
1673 or equivalent RTV sealer.  The RTV must be still wet to the touch
when applying cover to the head.

General Tip 154

Mike Rothe

Mike Rothe

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 14:05:06 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: smog dog muzzle

Even though I don't think this was for the list, beware of any
covering over the license plates. I do know that here in North Dakota,
it just gives the cops one more reason to pull you over. My friend got
pulled over because his license plate was dirty and it supposedly made
the cops job harder!!!! Being the smartass he is, he wipes the plate
clean and then asks the cop if he can read it now or if he should wait
so he could put his glasses on. I don't remember what the cop cited
him for, but it would of been funny to of been there to see that!!!!




- ---mark sopp <throckmail@webtv.net> wrote:
>
> i just saw in an issue of car and driver an ad for a company that
sells
> a clear overlay for license plates that makes it impossible fora
camera
> to photograph your plate.if what you say is true about these smog
> dogs,these lenses which were invented to defeat photo radar should be
> just the ticket 'btw you got way too much big brother in arizona.
> 
> 

==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
_________________________________________________________
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Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:12:33 -0600 (CST)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: Re: FS: '68 Rear Defogger Assembly

Hi Gene,
I'll take you up on the defogger.  That would be too cool in my 442!

Jeff Carter
blue442@webtv.net

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:15:01 -0600 (CST)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: Re: FS: '68 Rear Defogger Assembly

sorry, wrong button, DOH!

JeffCarter, 
blue 442@webtv.net

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:06:46 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: smog dog muzzle

Mark, 

they have this spray in Germany. It is highly illegal to put it on your 
plate (because it is highly illigal to work on your plate with whatever 
you choose.) It is supposed to reflect the flash of the camera that much 
that it makes it impossible to read the plate on the camera... well, it 
does not work. They can play with the picture contrast and will get you 
anyway... and the fine is sure going to be a little more! The plate will 
always reflect different on the higher and rounder parts of the stamped 
letters.

It will not work on a non-flash camera at all! (If you can see it with 
the eyes, the camera will see it too since it is sensitive to the same 
bandwith of wavelength.)

In my op. this is just money for the company selling the stuff, except it 
is something else then the stuff they sell in good old Germany which I 
doubt. I think basic optics are against this working...

Regards, George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, 5 Feb 1999, mark sopp wrote:

> i just saw in an issue of car and driver an ad for a company that sells
> a clear overlay for license plates that makes it impossible fora camera
> to photograph your plate.if what you say is true about these smog
> dogs,these lenses which were invented to defeat photo radar should be
> just the ticket 'btw you got way too much big brother in arizona.
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:19:54 EST
From: RICH6986@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds' logo license plates

yes they still sell them i got my cutlass plate from usa parts supply they
have 5 different styles and they are only $10.87 just click here to order a
catalog  <A HREF="http://www.usapartssupply.com/">USA Parts Supply</A>   or
http://www.usapartssupply.com.
														
Rich 

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 14:07:36 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Still here

KarlAune@aol.com wrote:  (er, SOM wrote)
> 
> In a message dated 99-02-02 00:02:55 EST, you write:
> 
> <snip> Greg Rollins of Supercars is on the list (or was) and may be
> of some help.
> <snip>

 

Karl (and if anybody else wondered),

 I'm still here!  Things have been going at
500 mph around here lately.  And I just 
haven't had much opportunity to contribute 
to the List.  By the time I do get the chance
to answer a question, its already been
handled.  I've also been trying my damnedest 
to get 4-4-2 By The Numbers off to the print 
shop for a couple of weeks now.  Even though 
95% of the book is unchanged from it's initial 
1991 printing, many of the paste up pages 
are somehow missing and I'm having to redo 
them (arrgh!).  Almost done though.  
I've also been trying to find time to  
finish some additions to our web site.  
Almost done with that too.  And I hope
to have them up later this eve.   
And I've been working on getting
some details worked out on some new
products that we'll be adding to our
next catalog.  One of which that has 
been in the works for awhile now is Brand 
New (steel) flywheels for 64-67 and 
68-up MT applications.  We should be receiving 
the first shipment of these in the next
week or so.  The aforementioned next
catalog is the next major time consuming
task waiting for me.  That and I need to
find time to do some work to the race car.
Racing season is almost here, and I haven't
even had a chance to touch the car yet :-(
There are a bunch of other irons in the 
fire here at the moment, so I may be a little 
quiet with contributions to the List for the 
next while.  But I'm still here and still want 
to help as much as I can.    


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 
Portland, Oregon  503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:32:39 -0600 (CST)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Exhaust temp?

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No, wraps are bad news!  They destroy headers.  I've seen this happen on
local cars, and in car mags.  Coatings such as HPC or Jet Hot work very
well on what I've seen, and they offer rust protection, improved
appearance and rapid cool down as well.

Don't know about exhaust temp's effect on power.  I've read that hotter
exhaust flows at a greater velocity, but I figure it has to as hotter
gas is less dense.

Jeff Carter
blue442@webtv.net


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From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
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Which is better a hot exhaust (out of manifold) or cool?  Which means more
power?

Do large pipes have a big effect on EGT and does this effect power by
cooling down (aftercool effect) once the gas is getting farther down the
pipe?

I have heard header wraps help this but why?

Thanks!
Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:45:22 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: smog dog muzzle

In a message dated 99-02-05 17:14:59 EST, you write:

<< . My friend got pulled over because his license plate was dirty and it
supposedly made the cops job harder!!! >>

The other day Karl was pulled over because of expired tags (there were ZERO
other violations [[because they could not know that the speedo cable is
inoperative]] ) because they were gonna cite me for something. 

The light went red while they were following him (for some reason...) and 4
drum brakes were engaged on wet metal surface of RR crossing. SOM slid offa
the RR surface, and naturally slid on asphalt (RR crossing made a semi-
hillock).

Finally pulled Karl over for expired tags (Karl can tell vehicle speed by
sound of engine). Plate was dirty, but color of tag that did show was a
giveaway.

In other news, the liscense plate is a good reflective surface for speed radar
which was a laser the last time Karl got a warning (Laser speed "radar"
requires a good reflector!!)

Wonder if Rockman's bud was targeted by the local constabulary as one who
moves fast, but they could not "clock'.....

SOM

&KA

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 14:48:01 PST
From: "kelly erickson" <cutlassnep@hotmail.com>
Subject: subscribe oldsmobile

subscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 16:57:58 -0600 (CST)
From: blue442@webtv.net
Subject: Re: FS: '68 Rear Defogger Assembly

Sorry for sending my reply to the list.  I sent another apology (to the
list I hope:-) almost an hour ago, but have not seen it yet.  In the
event it surfaces, I apoligize for redundant posts. 

TGIF
Jeff Carter
blue442@webtv.net

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:02:11 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Still here

In a message dated 99-02-05 17:39:31 EST, you write:

<< > <snip> Greg Rollins of Supercars is on the list (or was) and may be
 > of some help.
 
 Karl (and if anybody else wondered),  I'm still here!  Things have been going
at
 500 mph around here lately. >>

Initial post was wipers?

Greg?
Got another iron available for the fire?

Got an idea for ya!
Magnetic "Supercars" decals.

Can you say; "A caravan of 'Supercars'-emblazoned Oldsmobiles meandering their
way through the midwest to the 1999 Oldsmobile Club of America National meet?"

Just an idea....

Prolly just another hallucination....

(Others similarly thinking welcome to reply privately!)

K

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:32:18 EST
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds 425/455 V8 in a AMC?

i have a jeep with a 360 amc v8.  it has edelbrock intake, cam, lifters, and
carb on it and it'll outrun most of your olds'.  it only has a 3spd stick,
3.92 rear, and 33 bfg.  when those back barrels kick in you can really feal
it.  

mikeytvb@aol.com
70 442 hc
btw: it's a 78 cj-5

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:36:05 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Still here

K:
Dates we are going to Texas, need to fill out vacation request, just a
formality, exact dates please, no more Monty Python routines, i.e., "the
twin peaks of Kilimanjaro, once we get to Africa, it's generally going
south"!  Oldsmagnet, if phasing is incorrect please jump right in here.
Lou
PS Yes, 
- ----------
> From: KarlAune@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Still here

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:38:02 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Grumpy Ole Men

I'm NOT old, just grumpy!

Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 15:49:25 PST
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Bad Day...need '66 parts

Does anyone have a '66 Delta 88 they are parting out.  
I am definitely in need now.

Maybe renaming it.  New license plate name, Any suggestions?  It has 
been hit twice while parked, in the last year.  First one in front of my 
house and today in the parking lot.  AAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHHH!  
Too many letters.

New digital toy at work.  Looks like the eye on the street photos.  Mine 
is the gold '66 Delta 88.  I think the bumper sticker on the truck says 
it all.

www2.bladeti.com/cars

Still Drivable but miffed,

Chris Rivier
Austin,TX
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST is BACK!
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 166K LAWN ORNAMENT!


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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 18:24:33 -0600
From: "Shane" <sgibreal@nctc.net>
Subject: Re: '67 Cutlass headers

Hi Oldsmobuds,

Sent an e-mail to Headers by Ed. Here's his reply. Waiting to hear back if
they will fit  '67 Convertible.

Shane


Eddy H. Henneman wrote:

> Dear Shane:
>
> 400-425-455 engines only - nothing available for the 330-350 engines.
> Tube sizes available are 1 3/4" OD plus 1 7/8" OD with collector sizes
> from 2 1/2" to 3 1/2" (every 1/4" increment available).  We have made 2"
> headers but they don't fit well and we decided to discontinue that
> version.
>
> Our header may be the ONLY Equal Length header design available for the
> car now!!!
>
> Send for our Header Catalog ($5.50) and request the Header Feature sheet
> on the 64-67 Olds Cutlass header.  If nothing else, you will a lot about
> what a GOOD header really is (our website does not provide much info
> right now - too busy to work on it right now but hope to make changes in
> awhile).
>
> Thanks.  Ed Henneman
>
> Shane wrote:
>
> > What size primary tubes do you offer for a '67 Cutlass?
> >
> > Shane Gibreal

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 16:27:37 PST
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Alternator Dying (75 Cutl)

Hi,

Check wires, connections, and ground wires.

I am guessing it has an internal voltage regulator-one wire design.

You could also have your alternator bench tested.  Call local auto parts 
shops.  Some will check it for free. 

just my $.02,

Chris Rivier
Austin,TX
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST is BACK!  BATTLE SHIP.
http://www2.bladeti.com/cars/

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 18:33:07 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Install

>> <snipped>
>> > I have always guessed that
>> >it would trap heat, but then thinking took over (blasted brain!)
>and I
>> >started thinking that maybe the valley pan would keep the hot oil
>away
>> >from the underside of your intake. Is this the purpose of these
>pans? 
>> >
>> YES
>
>Does it actually help any? I will be taking my intake off again to
>have my heads worked over a bit and might go with the valley pan if it
>actually helps keep the heat out of the fuel mixture.


It does help but after driving for long enough the whole intake
will heat up throroughly due to the exhaust crossover.  If you
block this off with the iron plugs ~and~ use the valley pan
it will keep the intake much cooler, for longer.  The intake
will still pick up heat from it's mating surface on the heads
but add in a phenolic spacer under the carb and you'll be
nice and cool.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:39:35 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: She's In!!

Finally found a good resto shop that can work on my baby right away. It's 50
miles away but that's OK.  'In for a full body-off.  'Frame and body
restoration and paint -- soup to nuts.  'Can't wait to see her when she comes
out!!  Should be just in time for Spring Hershey!

Scott
71 442 Conv.

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:50:34 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Install

I installed the Performer Intake today on the 455.  If I did not have the
hood induction, I could not close the hood with a 3" tall filter element.
2" tall element would work just fine.  Since I have a hot-air Q-jet, I
leaned out he chock so that it does not kick it.  I did this because the
Performer has no hook-ups.  I can say that the Performer makes for a
smoother idle and operation.  I don't have insurance yet so the only benefit
I could look at was idle-3000 RPM (on my street).  I can say that the
overall throttle response is quite a bit better and that the bottom end
seems stronger (but then again, it was strong to start with).  This intake
is nice to work with, WAY LIGHTER.  The motor also seems to run about 10
deg. cooler which is great (180 flat).  I am happy.  I am curious about top
end power but can't try it yet.  The car pulls about 17 inches of vacuum at
idle.  I think that the chock on my carb was running a little rich with the
stock intake.  Car definitely runs better now.  It also sounds a bit
different, a little throatier at WOT.  Glad I got the intake used and saved
some money.  By the way, I did not use a valley-pan and I did put a hole
through the gasket for the exhaust cross-over.  Maybe someday, I will get a
lifter tray and plugs for the cross-over.  I think that I will try that
Holley when I get the car insured and driving.  Igor.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 17:51:41 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: 455 OLDS PERFORMER INSTALLED

- -----Original Message-----
From: Igor T. '81 DRB 455 <igor455@home.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: February 5, 1999 5:50 PM
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Install


>I installed the Performer Intake today on the 455.  If I did not have the
>hood induction, I could not close the hood with a 3" tall filter element.
>2" tall element would work just fine.  Since I have a hot-air Q-jet, I
>leaned out he chock so that it does not kick it.  I did this because the
>Performer has no hook-ups.  I can say that the Performer makes for a
>smoother idle and operation.  I don't have insurance yet so the only
benefit
>I could look at was idle-3000 RPM (on my street).  I can say that the
>overall throttle response is quite a bit better and that the bottom end
>seems stronger (but then again, it was strong to start with).  This intake
>is nice to work with, WAY LIGHTER.  The motor also seems to run about 10
>deg. cooler which is great (180 flat).  I am happy.  I am curious about top
>end power but can't try it yet.  The car pulls about 17 inches of vacuum at
>idle.  I think that the chock on my carb was running a little rich with the
>stock intake.  Car definitely runs better now.  It also sounds a bit
>different, a little throatier at WOT.  Glad I got the intake used and saved
>some money.  By the way, I did not use a valley-pan and I did put a hole
>through the gasket for the exhaust cross-over.  Maybe someday, I will get a
>lifter tray and plugs for the cross-over.  I think that I will try that
>Holley when I get the car insured and driving.  Igor.
>
>Igor Todorovic
>1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)
>

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:54:06 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Vertical Challenge (Was Re: 70-72 Buckets)

How 'bout 6'1" / 240 lbs. getting into a Prelude after my 5'6" 120lb wifey?
It's pretty painful, but lots of fun once you're in.

Scott
71 442 Conv.

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 19:08:24 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: What's Purple and Horny.....?

> A point to remember though is that they
>connect right to the header collectors and end about mid-car. Many states
have
>a law that says exhaust has to reach beyond the rear axle or exit the side
ala
>NASCAR.
> Ron Forsee
> 65 442-Meister

NEVER, EVER run an exhaust exit under the passenger compartment.
I have seen people killed from this.  Worst case was a family on a trip
and when they stopped, the parents got out and the kids who had fallen
asleep in the backseat were dead.  This was just from a small leak,
not open pipes.  While the likelihood of dying is small you can easily
be left unconscious and wreck your beautiful Olds!  Don't take a chance.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:12:22 -0500
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: cat?

Carry a fire extinguisher.   A friend of mine died in his burning car
because of a cat converter that got too hot.  It didn't help that he fell
asleep with the car running, parked over some leaves.  dumbass...

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
84 Calais ($200!)
costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Roger Hitson
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 2:55 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: cat?




*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 2/5/99, at 1:52 PM, Darren King wrote:

<snip>.
>What's it mean when the floor above the catalytic
>converter gets hot?

Couple possibilities come to mind:
bad convertor - can be tested

running too lean


I had a truck with same problem. Was due to a vacuum leak causing fuel mix
to be way lean. May you be so fortunate.

roger

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:12:15 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: 442 Stripes

Thanks, Mike.
Scott

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:14:58 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: HURST/OLDS PRICES

Randy,
Anything on '73 H/O's?  I was never crazy about the body shape after '72, but
now I'm in love with the 73 H/O on the screen saver that came across a few
weeks ago!
Scott
71 442 Conv.

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:16:57 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: A.I.R. Manifold availability?

> but if all else fails (or someone rounded them off before) you
> can use a punch to drive the tube out of the center and use
> an extractor.  The type that has the left hand twists and about
> 6-8 ridges on them work the best.  The more you try to loosen
> the fitting the further the extractor will bite into it.
>
> Mike Bloomer
> mbloomer@mindspring.com
> ICQ# 19113713


That's the ticket. I'd forgotten about those knurled extractors. I just know
by their looks a few of them are going to be pains.  Thanks Mike...

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:33:00 EST
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds' logo license plates

Might want to check JWO and call the AZ chapter.  At our last meet I think I
saw some f/s for about $5-10 each.  
David  OCA 30416
70 442 W-30 Conv

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:39:48 -0500
From: "rkn" <rkn@ezaccess.net>
Subject: Re: The Day the Music Died (was Re: Groundhog)

I read somewhere that the plane that they went down in was called "American
Pie" . Speaking of little known or cared about information.
				R. Kevin Noon
				66 Dynamic 88 Convertible
				85 DRB (for sale cheap, 9" X 15" Aluminum 
Wheels included)

- ----------
> From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: The Day the Music Died (was Re: Groundhog)
> Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 3:06 PM
> 
> Lou Biggs wrote:
> > 
> > Tim:
> > You are correct, was about 4:00 am which would make it the 3rd, not the
> > 2nd.
> > Lou
> > PS Not anal, correct! My anal, Don Mc wrote the song on the 3rd also,
> > little known and little cared for information.
> 
> Literary and poetic license, I would assume.  Music, literature,
> TV/movies, and politics play a little "loose" with the facts.  They tend
> to get in the way it would seem.

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 20:41:15 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Parts hunt.

I have an outside air thermometer on my 72
Cutlass Supreme that is in rather bad shape-
cracked lense.  Anybody got one in nicer shape
for sale?  Also always wanted one of those nifty
speed limiter speedometers that buzzes at you
when you go 100- or whatever speed you set
it at...  Any leads?    I have a modified from stock car that will never
be restorable to original
condition-  all the A/C parts are gone, etc. so I 
thought it might be fun to put some cooler and
rarer options on it instead.

Anybody got anything unusual for my car that for sale at a realistic but
fair price>
 
Let me know!
Dr-Olds@webtv.net

Kevin D. Wood
Hartford, WI

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 21:38:38 -0500
From: Jeff Mullenix <muxx@exis.net>
Subject: Re: cat?

At 01:52 PM 2/5/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>Man this 79 Cutlass Salon is a project...supposed to
>be my beater but I'm spending way too much on it.
>What's it mean when the floor above the catalytic
>converter gets hot?  I looked at the exhaust and it's
>rusty but no holes.  I'd like to make it to spring before
>I have to change it.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Darren King
>
It's possible that your cat is becoming clogged.  after a while the car
will stall on you here and there.  

Jeff



>

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 22:24:39 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Low Fuel Light

My friend's '85 Delta 88 has a low fuel light that works.  Nothing
special really, but now I have decided that I want the one in My Cutlass
to work also.  I have some of the wire ends for the instrument cluster
that are left over from my Rallye gauge conversion, so I think that with
some luck I could make mine work.  What sort of sender makes this work? 
What will I need to get from a Delta 88 or any other car that will make
this work?  I know how to trace the circuit board in the back to get my
correct wiring location, but hwere do the other ends of the wires go?
Thanks for your help.
Brian.

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 20:29:44 -0600
From: <barbw@uswest.net>
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?

Lou0118@aol.com wrote:

> How could something like this be accurate?  Anything in the air could cause a
> false reading.
>
> What if the tester farts (sorry if this offends anyone) while your car is
> going by.  I wouldn't want to get written up for that.  This is really big
> brother watching.
>
> Lou Principe
> 69 442 W-30


Lou:

The equipment that measures the emissions and snaps the picture of the license
plate is strategically positioned just a very few feet away from the point 
where
traffic has only one lane to either enter or exit the freeway and thus each car
must pass in very close proximity to the equipment in single file and far 
enough
away from the other traffic already on the freeway.  There are cables connected
to the equipment which originate from a white van that is parked off the right.
You would be totally amazed at how many Phoenix residents dont know about smog
dog.  Based on my observation from watching these morons screw up traffic when
these vans are on the ramps, it appears they think the vans are for photo radar
and not emissions!  Yeah, big brother is definitely too big in Arizona.

Barb

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 22:34:44 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: How Cats Meow was:Inter State Emission testing? (long)

> Not to sound like a retard or anything, but how does a cat work? I know
> what they do but how do they accomplish it? Is it just like a muffler with
> special filtering material or something. My cat experience is limited since
> my core interest of cars is pre-'75.

Back in the days when I worked in the wood heat industry, we dealt alot with
catalytic combustors, as we called them.  Odd as it may seem, much of the same
science applies to them as automotive cats, except NOX reduction.  Anyway, a
catalytic converter works by using a catalyst, a substance that hastens or
facilitates a chemical process, while not becoming a part of the chemical
reaction itself, to reduce emissions.  It is not a filter, nor is it merely
"reburning". The catalysts (platinum, palladium, and rhodium) chemically alter
the exhaust so that it reacts with oxygen in such a way to reduce NOX,
hydrocarbons, and carbon monoxide.  A minimum heat is also required for this
chemical reaction to take place. This is what is meant by "light off."  This
requires an air/fuel mixture that is in the proper stoichometric proportions,
hence, the need for the oxygen sensor.

Most modern cats have a second stage -- the oxydation stage--added to further
reduce HC and CO and has fresh air introduced to it to supply oxygen for the
reaction.  Also, if, for some reason, the A/F mixture is not stoichometrically
correct, it will continue to work somewhat, even though the first stage won't
work as well to reduce NOX.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 23:08:28 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Exhaust temp?

> << Do large pipes have a big effect on EGT and does this effect power by
>  cooling down (aftercool effect) once the gas is getting farther down the
>  pipe?
>
>  I have heard header wraps help this but why? >>
>
>       I would think header wraps help by containing heat in the
> exhaust, and
> not letting as much heat remain in the engine compartment, which will warm
> EVERYTHING up. My thoughts, Dorian

That's certainly one benefit. However, I think the wrap contains the heat
within the header for the purpose that the hotter the exiting exhaust, the
faster the pulse travels the pipe. Thus effecting a scavenging between
pulses helping pull the next along. It's all in the wave, man, give me a
board.
;^)

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 22:59:13 -0600
From: "patrick derkacz" <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: rear seats

where are the seats?
what kind of shape are they in?
How much?

patrickd@wwnet.com
>

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 23:25:32 -0500
From: "person" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: parts for sale

Will the valve covers fit a 455?

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+
+
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
VBDeveloper@worldnet.att.net

                                       =
                                           =
                                                =
==================================
'69 Olds Ninety-Eight Topless Bubba=========
====666=================999============
        666                                  999
- -----Original Message-----
From: Edward Binnix <comid@jellico.com>
To: Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 6:45 PM
Subject: parts for sale


>For sale:
>
>2~ manual steering boxes for 66-72 Cutlass. With pitman arms. One needs
>rebuild (simple) - $50, the other is good to go - $75. The Pitman Arms are
>not available anywhere and are worth the price by themselves.
>
>Holley 3310 carb freshly rebuilt - $120
>
>Lunati Bracketmaster cam, 224/234 @ .050, .496/.520 lift. WITH LIFTERS -
$60
>
>Set of 4 SSII wheels sandblasted and painted with all hardware/trim.
Mounted
>on wheels are 2~ 235/60R15 and 2~ 255/60R15 Dayton Daytona GT raised white
>letter tires with less than 3000 miles on them. All for $280. (tires alone
>cost me $380).
>
>2 sets of factory steel valve covers with raised O-L-D-S-M-O-B-I-L-E on
>them. $30 per set.
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 22:23:11 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?(long)

>There should be an ability to "re-certify" a model line as a modified
>original production unit. 

That's the key line here.  There ~should~ be but there's not.  Would
you expect any less from our government?  The only loophole
there is available to the aftermarket falls under the category of 
"service replacement" parts.  Things such as cyl heads, intakes 
and cat back systems fall under this category in which the stock
configuration and controls are used, just more efficiently.  This
category has less stringent standards to meet to receive govt
blessing.  If you reconfigure the stock system it becomes a lot 
harder.  Big brother and the greens don't want us fiddling with 
our cars so they make this kind of stuff out of the reach of everyone
but the auto makers and a few, big aftermarket companies.  We
pay for it in the end because our aftermarket parts will reflect the
amount of money the aftermarket has to put in to all this testing.
Though it's not said to our faces, I'm confident not one politician
has lost a wink of sleep over these laws.  I see the need for pollution
controls, but what about 18 wheelers, factories, and other polluters
who have little, if any, pollution controls?  I'm sure someone will post
saying that they work at a factory and they have all kinds of hoops
to jump through also, but I have heard of a lot of bad stories of 
non-compliance and the govt gives them a slap on the hand and 
that's the end of it.  The govt's assertion that auto's are the major
polluters is B.S. and we all know it.  Taken across the nation as 
a whole there are far more miles put on our highways by big trucks
than cars.  That's what they do.  Anyway, I'll shut up now but I tell you
it's all a govt conspiracy!  Honest, saw it on the X files.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
  

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 22:36:50 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 425/455 V8 in a AMC?

Hardest part will be to get another trans to bolt up to the
transfer case.  Once thats done everything else will fall
into place.  Maybe not easily but it will.  You'll likely have to fab
everything for the motor such as mounts, brackets, room,
etc. which can be a little difficult.  It all depends on what gets
in the way.  Check around to try to find an adapter kit to fit a
GM trans to the transfer case and the rest is downhill.  The
best place to start would be advance adapters as theyre
supposed to be one of the foremost 4wd swap companies.

http://www.advanceadapters.com/BG/BG.html

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

>Got a friend with a 1990 AMC/Jeep Grand Wagoneer with a poor excuse for a
>5.8L V8 called a 360.  AMC not ChryCo 360.  He wants more power, and
finding
>a 401 for a reasonable cost has proven useless, even here near Kenosha!
So,
>if all else fails drop in a 7.5L Olds Rocket Motor!!  It would move the
>beast of a 4X4 much better and more efficient than a 360 or 401, and have
>more than enough power to tow through the Rockies.
>
>Has anyone any knowledge or advice on doing this swap on a 4X4?  The trans
>is a 727 with AMC pattern.  I would like to see a THM350 or prefer a THM400
>in its place.
>
>Thanks!
>Thomas Martin

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Date: Fri, 5 Feb 1999 23:54:51 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Low Fuel Light

Subject: Low Fuel Light


The Y67 Reminder Package option included a "Multi-Function Chime Module"
that has the electronics for low fuel and other functions. If you can get
one of the modules from GM, the input (connector pin 16) comes right from
the same (pink) wire that goes between the tank sender and fuel gage. The
output (pin 20) goes to the low fuel light (tan/blk wire) in the instrument
cluster. All you need beside that is constant power (pin 4), ignition power
(pin 12), and ground (pin 5). If you want, I can fax you a copy of the
schematic (e-mail me privately).

drc



>My friend's '85 Delta 88 has a low fuel light that works.  Nothing
>special really, but now I have decided that I want the one in My Cutlass
>to work also.  I have some of the wire ends for the instrument cluster
>that are left over from my Rallye gauge conversion, so I think that with
>some luck I could make mine work.  What sort of sender makes this work?
>What will I need to get from a Delta 88 or any other car that will make
>this work?  I know how to trace the circuit board in the back to get my
>correct wiring location, but hwere do the other ends of the wires go?
>Thanks for your help.
>Brian.
>

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 00:05:05 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Hey, Gary IROC

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drc


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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 00:11:24 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: P/S Leak (Was: Sid "Groundhog" Viscious + SOM)

Karl,

I had a hose get a leak and it did almost the same thing.  What was strange
was the hose resembled a tire when the belts slip, there was a "blister" on
the side of it and from there it sprayed the #1 port area on the exhaust
manifold.

One way to check for a leak would be to have an assistant crank the wheel hard
to one side and watch the hoses, this is when the pressure is greatest in the
system.  I've also heard of pumps leaking between the pump and the reservoir,
there's an O-ring that shrinks and lets fluid leak out.

Hope you get to the bottom of your problem soon, Take Care!

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 01:16:35 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)

Dorian/List,

I purchased my McLeod bellhousing and clutch parts from them along with my
Holley Street Dominator intake back in 1991.  Fair price and timely delivery,
I was happy.

I haven't seen one of their ads lately (haven't looked) so can't say about any
web address.

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 02:06:47 -0500
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Exhaust temp?

i agree, ive seen headers blow out 2"x2" chunks from heat fatigue. all of a
sudden. bang! and thats BEFORE the typical life expectancy of a header runs
out, bout 3 yrs. Car Craft did an article on it, with photos of the damage.
Erik Gertsen
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From: <blue442@webtv.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 05, 1999 5:32 PM
Subject: Re: Exhaust temp?


>No, wraps are bad news!  They destroy headers.  I've seen this happen on
>local cars, and in car mags.  Coatings such as HPC or Jet Hot work very
>well on what I've seen, and they offer rust protection, improved
>appearance and rapid cool down as well.
>
>Don't know about exhaust temp's effect on power.  I've read that hotter
>exhaust flows at a greater velocity, but I figure it has to as hotter
>gas is less dense.
>
>Jeff Carter
>blue442@webtv.net
>
>

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Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 02:10:16 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Vertical Challenge (Was Re: 70-72 Buckets)

I don't think I even want to respond to the second sentence of that
posting..........:-)

Take Care, 
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

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Date: Fri, 05 Feb 1999 23:15:09 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Olds' logo license plates

Are you talking about standard olds plates, aftermarket??  I picked up a 
cool white and red plate at the street machine nationals last year for 
$8 or so . It has the olds script on it .

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