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Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!
Re: where can i find headlight fuesable links? what do they look like?
fs/ '69 Supreme
Fusible links..
Air Condition H*lp Please!
new 71 owner
Re: Conv't Top Replacement $$
RE: Olds FAQ - preliminary.
Re: W-30 Production Totals, a little help here!!!
Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?
Re: new 71 owner
TH-200R4- price/where to buy/etc...
Weber Side Drafts
The Free Online 1,800 Page Y2K Report
Re: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?
-90 Olds 442 Quad4
Re: Weber Side Drafts
Re: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?
Re: Weber Side Drafts
Re: Air Condition H*lp Please!
Re: TH-200R4- price/where to buy/etc...
Re: new 71 owner
Re: new 71 owner
394 on Ebay
Re:Pageing Kevin Mixon
Revised  73 Cutlass Web Page
Common Car Values  (Was: W-30 Production Totals....)
unsubscribe
Re: Air Condition H*lp Please!
Re: TH-200R4- price/where to buy/etc...
Re: W-30 Production Totals, a little help here!!!
Re: Resto $$
Re: Rip off
Re: W-30 Production Totals, a little help here!!!
Re: Resto $$
'71 W-30 help, lets clear this up!!!
Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!
Re: where can I find headlight fusible links? what do they look like?
Re: Resto $$
Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!
Re: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?
Re: TH-200R4- price/where to buy/etc...
Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!
Non Olds, delete if possible
Re: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?
Re: new 71 owner
Re: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?
Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!
Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!
Re: Conv't Top Replacement $$
Re: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?
Re: broken dipstick help
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Re: TH-200R4- price/where to buy/etc...
Re: CCC Feedback Quadrajet -- fast idle & air cleaner question.
Re: broken dipstick help
Re: Still need E-address assisst - Karoe@ ??
carb
Re: Common Car Values  (Was: W-30 Production Totals....)
Re: CCC Feedback Quadrajet -- fast idle & air cleaner question.
Re: new 71 owner
RE: accel air filter

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 08:59:00 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmon@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!

There is a company called Northstar,I think in Minn..Best chrome I`ve
ever seen.

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:38:17 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: where can i find headlight fuesable links? what do they look like?

><< i can't find the fuse able links for the headlights on my 84 cutlass.
> what do they look like? where are they located? such a simple thing
> headlights that just stopped working are giving me so much problems,
> it is driving me nuts. thank you


Assuming your 84 is the same as the schematic in my '85 electrical manual,
headlights wire like this:

Battery power goes to the starter solenoid (big red wire). From there
another red wire will go thru the firewall to the light switch, (instrument
panel), and also to the fuse block. There is a fusible link built into this
wire, located at the starter solenoid end. This wire is powered all the time
(assuming the fusible link is good).

There is also a circuit breaker ~inside~ the light switch. It will trip in
case of an overload, and it's supposed to automatically reset when the short
is removed. (That's why someone else's lights blinked when he put halogens
in - the extra load made the breaker cycle on - off).

From the light switch, power goes into the steering column to the high / low
beam select switch, then to the lights.

The fusible link that feeds the headlights also powers tail lights fuse (20
amp), cig lighter fuse (20 amp) and from there the radio, power antenna, and
tone-alarm module. So if the fusible link is blown, more than the headlights
will be off.

Grab a voltmeter and have at it. Good luck.

drc

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:42:02 -0500
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: fs/ '69 Supreme

Anyone looking for a '69 Supreme? I bought a 455 off this guy last year and
he e-mailed me this the other night. Gus lives in Northern NJ, close to Pa
border. If interested please e-mail him privately at cfof1@yahoo.com

I have not seen the car..so the usual disclaimers apply.

===================snip==============================
>69 Cutlass Supreme - white w/ black interior, 350 4bbl, auto, 12 bolt,
>3" exhaust, ps, ac, new: paint, tires & brakes; vgc in and out. Asking
>$3900 obo.

>Gus

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:45:32 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Fusible links..

Forgot to mention...

A fusible link is a short piece of wire several sizes smaller than the wire
it protects, covered in high temp insulation. They can be molded right into
the main wire, and look like the wire has a "bubble" in it, or they can be a
separate plastic bulb attached to the end of the wire. They melt on
overload, like a fuse, but you can't see inside to tell if they're good.
Pain in the butt to ckeck.

drc

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 10:20:00 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Air Condition H*lp Please!

One of the fellow list members advertised a
complete A/C set-up from a 72 442 the other
day.  The total for all parts he is asking is $380.

Question:  I have an original A/C car that has been ravaged.  All the
underhood parts are missing.  The only things I still have for it are
the in dash control switch with I think all vac
hoses still where they belong-  and I still have
the pulleys on the engine.  I am wondering if
I should be worried about anything if I decide to
undertake the reinstallation?  Currently I have
a fabricated box on the firewall to get air into the car and I think I
can remove it with little trouble.

The set-up worked when removed from the sellers car and the only things
I am not sure of
is the underhood electrical- and what will I have
to do to get the A/C working once all parts are
back on the car.  Is freon even used anymore?

Before I drive a couple of hours to go get it- just wondering if you
guys had any words of wisdom.

Also-  does the price sound fair?  I really have
no idea so I will surely be grateful for any responses

Kevin
Dr-Olds@webtv.net

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Date: Fri, 19 Feb 1999 21:25:14 -0800
From: "chuck manning" <chuckmanning@email.msn.com>
Subject: new 71 owner

I recently inherited a 71 olds cutlass from my grandmother that passed away.
She bought the car brand new and I found the original papers in the glove
box including the protecto plate and all service records.  The car is mocha
brown with a white vinyl top.  The only thing is that grandma was thrifty.
The car only has power steering and the original am radio.  It has the 350
2-barrel with barley 100,000.00 miles on it.   What I would like to do is
turn it into a 442 but I am concerned about the cost.  I have restored cars
in the past but they where Volkswagens and they do not compare to this.  I
love the car and would like any info anyone has to offer of advice.
Thanks.......

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:29:54 EST
From: RNenno@aol.com
Subject: Re: Conv't Top Replacement $$

It looks fine.  I should add that we used the original back window piece, so
it was not the entire top.

RNENNO@AOL.COM

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:07:58 -0600
From: "Charles A. Dempsey" <cdemps@lsumc.edu>
Subject: RE: Olds FAQ - preliminary.

"David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu> wrote:

> For those who want to look, there's an unfinished, and in the 
> process of being updated copy of the FAQ at
> http://www.ameritech.net/users/dlbrown/oldsfaq.htm. Graphics are 
> missing

> Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
>           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

Is there a zip or tar file of the FAQ on an ftp site somewhere? I notice
it's not on arl.arizona.edu and I'd like to download a copy.

Thanks,
Charles

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 12:05:40 -0500
From: "Andersons" <robertan@cfw.com>
Subject: Re: W-30 Production Totals, a little help here!!!

NO- body unit number and vehicle serial number do not match, although both
are six digit numbers (according to Year One).

And I don't think we've established this is a non-numbers-matching car, as
he has not posted the number off the engine block- couldn't see it cuz of
acc. brackets.

Bob
- -----Original Message-----
From: RANDY A GEISEL <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: W-30 Production Totals, a little help here!!!


>
>>VIN:  344871M137445
>
>> ST 71 34487LAN269745    BDY
>
>
>Oh knowledgeable ones,
>
>Am I wrong or shouldn't the last six digits on the cowl tag and vin match?
>Granted, I only have '72's now and don't recall my 71's, but something
looks
>odd to me!
>
>And why would anyone order a W-30 with a column shift?
>
>I replied to David privately with the code break down.
>
>Randy
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:18:29 -0600
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?

If I go with a TH200-whatever or a TH-700R4, Will I be able to use my Hurst
dual gate shifter?  How will my gear selections work?

Thanks,
greg

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:24:54 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Re: new 71 owner

4 words of advice...
Sell It To Me!

Just kidding.
I have a 72 Supreme and have had a few '72
Cutlass S's and I will offer you my opinion. 
I have modified several cars including the one
I have now a few years back and I can tell you
that I wish I hadn't.  I have a hole in the dash now for an aftermarket
stereo and the owner
before me really botched up the original wiring
among several other things....  Everybody is
restoring 442's and all the fancier cars.  I actually get excited now if
I ever find a nice original car. Even with an AM radio.  I can't even
find a reasonably priced original radio that works for a decent price.
What I am trying to say is that the car you have will end up being a
rare car in my opinion.  Nobody is putting any
money into the standard Cutlasses, but instead
using the parts from them for the 442's.
If your car is a one owner car and it's been in the family forever, I
think it would be awesome
to leave it as it is, or restore it to what it was if
it's not too far gone.  

However if it is beyond repair, as mine is now,
then I think having fun is cool.  Because my
car is too far gone to be original anymore, I have been trying to find
all the cool options I can so I can load it up.
...But what I wouldn't give for a nice original
car.

Thank you--
Congratulations on your new olds...

Kevin D. Wood
Dr-Olds@webtv.net

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 11:50:48 -0600
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: TH-200R4- price/where to buy/etc...

I'm looking into replacing my TH-350 with a TH-200R4 into my '71 cutlass
with a 350.  What will a good tranny cost?  Where's a place to get one?

- -greg

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:07:41 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Weber Side Drafts

Hummm. Has anyone ever seen a BB Olds with Weber Side draft carbs mounted.
This sort of intrigues me if it's ever been done and if any hardware exists.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's
Route-1, Box-615
Purling, NY 12470

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:41:08
From: <sur818r@yahoo.com>
Subject: The Free Online 1,800 Page Y2K Report

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Y2K report that you probably heard about
on the news. It's free.

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:22:52 EST
From: DrkSole96@aol.com
Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?

In a message dated 2/20/99 12:19:05 PM Central Standard Time,
zimmermangm@email.msn.com writes:

<< If I go with a TH200-whatever or a TH-700R4, Will I be able to use my Hurst
 dual gate shifter?  How will my gear selections work?
 
 Thanks,
 greg
 
  >>
I don't know how it would work with a three speed dual gate.  I know that jegs
advertises a console model dual gates for 80' F-bodies that has four gear
positions.  That might work, I know tha Hurst has discontinued the stand alone
4 gear model.

Donovan
73 Cutlass  Supreme

Drksole96@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 21 Feb 1999 14:06:48 -0600
From: "Jim Westman" <westman@sympatico.ca>
Subject: -90 Olds 442 Quad4

Hi,

I would like to know if there is someone I can contact to discuss
performance rebuilding of my Quad4. Someone related to true racing
applications. i.e. IMSA.

Thanks a lot,

Torbjorn Westman

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:39:35 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Weber Side Drafts

Yes I did, back in 83 there was a 68 cutlass with a Big Block Olds and it at
the side draft webers on her...real wild looking...so I would say they are out
there....where? I dont know.....Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:53:34 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?

Greg wrote:
> 
> If I go with a TH200-whatever or a TH-700R4, Will I be able to use my Hurst
> dual gate shifter?  How will my gear selections work?

Depends.  You may have to do without Low.  Other than that, you could
prolly make it work, however it sorta defeats the purpose.  Still look
neat.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:20:57 EST
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Weber Side Drafts

In a message dated 99-02-20 13:29:45 EST, you write:

<<< Hummm. Has anyone ever seen a BB Olds with Weber Side draft carbs mounted.
This sort of intrigues me if it's ever been done and if any hardware exists.
 >>>


Um....

Wouldn't side draft carbs be pre-1965?
Is this a reference to early 1960 monojets?

Once saw an intake (other brand) for six monojets, but...

K

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:18:49 -0500
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: Air Condition H*lp Please!

Kevin,

I took the AC out of my '72 CS Convertible.  So I know the "ins" and "outs"
of that conversion.

I realize you're going the other way.  The reason I'm responding is that my
experience led me to a careful reading of the AC & Heater section of my
chassis manual.  All the electrics, vacuum lines and attendant parts are
discussed and diplayed.

I got the sense from your post that you might not have a copy of the
chassis manual.  I think it is a great investment.   If however you're
still having problems after a careful read then you've come to right place
for help.

As for price, wouldn't know what's fair.  I gave mine away.

jp

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net



>One of the fellow list members advertised a
>complete A/C set-up from a 72 442 the other
>day.  The total for all parts he is asking is $380.
>
>Question:  I have an original A/C car that has been ravaged.  All the
>underhood parts are missing.  The only things I still have for it are
>the in dash control switch with I think all vac
>hoses still where they belong-  and I still have
>the pulleys on the engine.  I am wondering if
>I should be worried about anything if I decide to
>undertake the reinstallation?  Currently I have
>a fabricated box on the firewall to get air into the car and I think I
>can remove it with little trouble.
>
>The set-up worked when removed from the sellers car and the only things
>I am not sure of
>is the underhood electrical- and what will I have
>to do to get the A/C working once all parts are
>back on the car.  Is freon even used anymore?
>
>Before I drive a couple of hours to go get it- just wondering if you
>guys had any words of wisdom.
>
>Also-  does the price sound fair?  I really have
>no idea so I will surely be grateful for any responses
>
>Kevin
>Dr-Olds@webtv.net

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:41:18 -0500 (EST)
From: Myassachafin@webtv.net (A Sea)
Subject: Re: TH-200R4- price/where to buy/etc...

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I dont know much about trans, but why would you swap a 200 for a 350


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I'll have to agree with kevin on this on. I would only change little
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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:47:39 EST
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: new 71 owner

In a message dated 99-02-20 11:36:04 EST, you write:

<<  It has the 350 2-barrel with barley 100,000.00 miles on it.   What I would
like to do is turn it into a 442 but I am concerned about the cost. >>

Karl personally agrees with Mr. Wood in this case, but would like to mention a
few other things to put a spin of realism on this thread.

The 4 4 2 guys will of course correct if this info is wrong, but 1971 saw the
performance "H" cylinder head which was 1971 ~only~ and goes foe $1500 EACH at
a ~fair~ price!!!

Yes, everyone wants a 4 4 2 or a 68 Cravatte or some *performance* car of some
kind.

Sir, you cannot turn that car into  4 4 2 and sell it for more money that went
into it.

You ~can~ restore it and enjoy it for what it ~is~.

A fun to drive peice of history.

As always, if Karl has offended anyone, realize that this is possibly only
another hallucination, as Karl is really just a brain in a glass jar that
hallucinates about Oldsmobiling.

SOM

&KA
(You'd think I'd hallucinate about a '66 Toronado or a 1957 Super 88......)

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:55:47 EST
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: 394 on Ebay

Just wanna pass this on.

A  394 used as an interim motor on a 1962 Olds is now at auction on Ebay.

Not just block..entire engine sans starting motor.
A total of 65,000 miles on it.

minimum bid is now $52, but the reserve price is actually $550.

Karl thought: $50? what the hell?

But $550? Can build a 394 (or 371) for less than that.

((because Karl knows where to find and dont gatta pay shipping....))

Good luck to any interested.

K

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:59:48 EST
From: Oldsparts@aol.com
Subject: Re:Pageing Kevin Mixon

Please contact Steve at Brothers Automotive.

800-442-7278

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:02:00 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Revised  73 Cutlass Web Page

  Check out the revisions and especially the TECH / CODE AREA....lots of info
for the 73 guys and Links and Photos for everyone. 
                       Hot Rod Harry 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">1973 Olds Cutlass 455
4speed</A> 

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:41:44 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Common Car Values  (Was: W-30 Production Totals....)

OK, with all this talk about how #'s matching will affect
the value of a W-30 I started wondering about how the
value of a W-nothing would be affected.  My 68 is 
mostly original with the exception of the heads, but the
block, trans, and rearend are all original.  It's a 2v 350 
Supreme with Jetaway and open carrier 2.73 O type 12 bolt.  
To me, it's the perfect basis for a buildup but what would
be the value difference between having the #'s match
and not?  I'm a modifier, not a restorer so IMO by 
upgrading this car I'll be improving the value of this
car more than a restoration would (monetary value
not my enjoyment value).  Any opinions?

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 14:50:38 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Re: Air Condition H*lp Please!

Thanks for the response Jonathon.   I do have
the chassis manual for my car and just looked it up.  I don't know why I
didn't think to look there.
Anyway- I am also curious about what possible
problems could I encounter if a system has been out of use for a while.
If it worked fine
when taken off the car, is there a good chance
it could work out after it's been sitting.  I don't
know how long it's been off the car or if the components were sealed
when taken off of
the car.  I guess I better find out more....

Thanks
Kevin
Dr-Olds@webtv.net

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:04:11 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@rbnet.com>
Subject: Re: TH-200R4- price/where to buy/etc...

Greg wrote:
> 
> I'm looking into replacing my TH-350 with a TH-200R4 into my '71 cutlass
> with a 350.  What will a good tranny cost?  Where's a place to get one?

If you just want to drive the car and not race it you could get away
with using a stock used TH2004R if you go easy on it.  I have a 2004R in
my Vista Cruiser that came out of an `85 custom cruiser with a 6cyl. 
I've probably had it for 60,000 miles now.(mostly highway miles)  I
don't brake-torque it or tow anything, I just drive it.  At the time the
TH400 in it was failing and I needed to do something. I just took a
chance and bought the 2004R for $175 and put it in.  If you can live
with mushy shifts and full-throttle upshifts at 3000 rpm it's not to
bad.  Your 0-60 times won't be as good as they are now. :(  The shifts
are just too sloppy.  They can be modified to overcome the lousy shifts
though, but it's a little more involved than just installing a shift
kit.  The tranny has to be modified to take the extra abuse, and some
high-performance valvebody parts have to be used to really make the
shifts snappy. 

If you want one built to take some punishment it'll run around $1200. 
The best core to start with is a Buick GN, Hurst Olds or Monte SS
tranny.  Really they're the only cores to start with if you want a
serious buildup.  The valvebodies and band apply pins are the best ones
you can get.  By now there might be enough aftermarket parts availible
to beef up a regular 2004R, I don't know.  There's lots of 2004R info on
the turbo regal webpage:

http://205.147.64.51/

BTW I get aroung 20mpg highway in my Vista Cruiser with the 350/2bbl and
3.08 gears.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 13:05:33 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: W-30 Production Totals, a little help here!!!

Dshack4@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Below is all the info on the car that I have.  Still don't know the complete
> trim package and colors.  I need to buy myself all the necessary decoding
> books.  Below is everything I got off the car.  As far as my research went,
> the numbers matched all reference.  It also has the red inner fenderwells
> (plastic)  I wasn't sure if the 71's had them or not.  The books say yes, but
> a good friend said no!!!
- -------

1971 W-30's have the red front inner fenderwells.
As did all 1967-1971 W-30's. 

- ------ 
> Mileage is 48,000, not sure if it is 148,000, I haven't had the opportunity 
to
> look at all the paperwork.  Looking at the great condition, I would have to
> say that it is 48,000.
> 
> VIN:  344871M137445
> Bock casting #:  396021 F
> Heads:  letter H, 409160
> Intake:  letter A, 407570, raised letters "Olds W-455"
> 
> Body Tag (as shown on the tag):
> 
>                                                   Body by Fischer
>                                 ST 71    34487LAN269745    BDY
>                                 TR 940                    49   B    PNT
>                                                  01C

- -------------

This trim tag breaks down as:
ST71 = 1971
34487 = 4-4-2 Holiday Coupe
LAN = Lansing, MI assembly plant
269745 = Fisher BODY number (NOT V.I.N.)
TR940 = Black interior with split bench front seat. 
49 = Antique Jade paint.
B = Black vinyl top.
01C = Built third week January.

- -----------
> 
> Options and features:
> 
> Column 3 speed automatic
> AC (ice cold!!!)
> Power brakes
> Power steering
> Cruise control
> Power windows
> Power bench seat
> 8 Track
> All the 442 options (tic-toc-tach, etc...)
> W-25 hood
> 
> My biggest concerns and questions were on all the power options.  Why would
> someone order a performance car like a W-30 with all the horsepower robbing
> accessories???  Also, I cannot figure out the "body by Fischer" tag that I
> included above.  

- --------------------
As to why someone would add all of these "luxury"
type options on a W-30, I couldn't say.  Since 
these options pretty much negate the benefits of the 
W-30's lightweight body insulation,  (personally, I 
prefer W-30's with no power type options and more 
performance oriented options).  All the options you
list were available on a 1971 W-30 (including the
previously questioned power brakes).  Somebody also
questioned the column shift.  Since a console
is an extra cost option, the standard shifter location
is on the column with an automatic (even with bucket
seats).  Obviously in this vehicles case with a bench 
seat, a console is not possible.  Bucket seats were 
standard equipment on a 1971 4-4-2.  The bench was 
available as a delete option.  Although the power bench
was an extra cost option.      

- ------------------------

> I have been told that the lower body color should be antique
> jade (#49) and the "B" is ???  The car has a black vinyl top right now.  I
> have yet to find the build sheet, and I could not get the actual VIN numbers
> off the block as the accessory brackets were in the way.  There was also a
> numeric code on the oil fill tube, which was hard to read, but looked like
> "1145100" (the last zero could have been a 6 8 or 9, it was really hard to
> see.

- -------------------------
Actually, you can see the V.I.N. stamping on the 
block with all the brackets in place.  You just 
have to "stretch" your eyes to see it ;-)  
You may need to take some steel wool to the raised 
pad in order to read it.  
  The stamping code on the oil fill tube is the 
production number of the engine itself.  With 
the first digit being the model year.  Note this 
will NOT match the V.I.N. or any other number on 
the car. 

- ----------------------
> 
> Please, when you get the time, tell me what you think of this car, and what
> you think it is worth.  The only real problem is the paint (it is red with
> black stripes now).
> 
> Thanks a million for all your time and help!!!
> 
> David
- ---------------------

Another thing to check is the TH400.  On the left
side (drivers) of the trans. case, just above the
pan rail has the V.I.N. stamping.  On the other 
side of the case is a riveted on tag which in the
case of a 1971 W-30 will have the code OW stamped 
into it as well as painted on.  If the transmission
V.I.N. matches and the tag is an OW, this will
pretty much verify a W-30 (presuming of course that 
some unscrupulous type has not changed the tag).

Also check the distributor.  It should have the
stamping number 1112034.

Hope this helps.
 
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
Portland, Oregon  503-244-8249

Web Site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:24:41 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Resto $$

My 71 442 is in for resto work now. At $40 per hour (standard rate here in New
England), we're figuring about $8K. This covers body-off, sandblast, some
minor straightening (ahead of the front end) and repairs (old trailer hitch
- -??- torn off by previous owner) on frame and frame paint.  Clean/repaint
engine and firewall, then bead blast, mucho sanding and priming, and
base/clear w/striping on the body (no serious bodywork required, I hope). I'll
probably spend another thou on odds & ends (seat belts, hood and grille
moldings). Then I'll detail the engine (new cables, valve covers, air cleaner,
hoses, clamps,etc.).  This is the dreaded "might as well" syndrome gone awry
in a big way!!!!

Scott

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:25:48 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rip off

Really, Jason. Is your exclamation point key stuck or what?

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:37:46 EST
From: Dshack4@aol.com
Subject: Re: W-30 Production Totals, a little help here!!!

Yes, all the #'s I could get to matched for a 71 W-30...However, I COULD NOT
GET THE ENGINE VIN due to all the accessory brackets.  That is my next
project, along with the build sheet.

Thanks for all the replies to this one!!

David

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:50:34 EST
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Resto $$

In a message dated 99-02-20 16:38:55 EST, you write:

<<< My 71 442 is in for resto work now. At $40 per hour (standard rate here in
New England), we're figuring about $8K. ....>>>

<general cut-off tool application>

[y'all have ~no~ idea how badly Karl wanted to send a humorous reply to THAT
thread!]

Scott (+others)
While you are ~paying~ for this resto, part of the service provided is to look
for unknown problems such as (Heaven forfend) cancer. As you are paying much
for general blasting, minor body, and a major paint job. Karl ~is~ certain
that you will be very happy with the results and hopes you will post pictures
on someones website!

And as far as detailing, am still trying to get scanned the best pic of a 71
motor seen to date; a clear "H" above a clear "X". 

Pure poetry in motion.

SOM

&KA

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:49:48 EST
From: Dshack4@aol.com
Subject: '71 W-30 help, lets clear this up!!!

I posted earlier to see what the experts thought about this car.  I have
received emails stating that the numbers don't match.  LISTEN.... I could not
get the engine VIN due to the accessory brackets, and didn't have the proper
tools to take them off at the time.  All the numbers that I did get seem (to
me) to match those of a 71 W-30.  I have yet to dig for the build sheet also,
which is the sure fire way to tell what the car is.

If anyone sees any conflicts or problems, please let me know!  I hope to get
the engine VIN and build sheet soon.


1971 442 W-30

VIN:  344871M137445
Bock casting #:  396021 F
Block VIN:  ????????
Heads:  letter H, 409160
Intake:  letter A, 407570, raised letters "Olds W-455"

Body Tag (as shown on the tag):

						  Body by Fischer	
				ST 71	 34487LAN269745    BDY
				TR 940	                  49   B    PNT
						 01C

Options and features:

Column 3 speed automatic
AC (ice cold!!!)
Power brakes
Power steering
Cruise control
Power windows
Power bench seat
8 Track (missing)
All the 442 options work great (tic-toc-tach, etc...)
W-25 hood

My biggest concerns and questions were on all the power options.  Why would
someone order a performance car like a W-30 with all the horsepower robbing
accessories???  
What were the production numbers of a car like this, I know that they only
made 563 W-30 automatics that year, but is there a way to break it down any
more???

There was also a numeric code on the oil fill tube, which was hard to read,
but looked like "1145100" (the last zero could have been a 6 8 or 9, it was
really hard to see.

 Thanks a million for all your time and help!!!

David

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:55:22 EST
From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!

David,
I'm in the same position. I've gotten one quote for $350 (442 rear), but
another guy says that's for a shaky quality job.  I guess some folks grind off
the old chrome and if not carefully prepped, the grind swirls will show
through the new chrome. On the other hand, I got a quote for $600 to
chemically strip the chrome, do minor repairs, and then triple plate in show
quality. You do get what you pay for. What level of quality are you looking
for?  To confuse things further, the new Fusick's catalog shows 442 rear
bumpers (new) for $345, with a caveat about the finish not being show quality.
Now what do I do?!

Scott
71 442 Conv.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:00:35 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: where can I find headlight fusible links? what do they look like?

Still don't think headlights are fused, relay or breaker yes, fused, mebbe,
but don't think so, reason, fuse blows at 70mph on twisty two lane country
road at night, it's way too exciting to comprehend. Product liability
insurance attorneys would have a field day. Had mine short out, they kick
on, kick off, and so on and so on, enough to get you stopped away.
Lou

- ----------
> From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: where can i find headlight fuesable links? what do they look
like?
> hmm.. dont think they have fusible links....   try looking at your fuses.
 
> jeremy
> BIGJERMES@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:11:01 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Re: Resto $$

Congratulations and good luck Scott.
I am jealous, but rooting for you.

Kevin
Dr-Olds@webtv.net

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:16:04 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!

David;
I don't know any in St. Lou, do know I had the 75 front bumper done and
it's nice and straight, but the chrome job sucks, grind marks and grooves
on the side that wasn't damaged, copper colored where the slots for the
bumper jack fits in, not happy at all. Want to pull it off before the natls
and have it redone, someone here said" about 250 bucks for a good job" but
I'm concerned about shipping it out, who will handle a large 90# odd shaped
package. I paid 225.00 for this crap. Y'all let me know to and how to ship.
TIA
Lou

- ----------
> From: Dshack4@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!
> Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 12:29 AM
> 
> Any good references on rechroming of 71 442 W-30 bumpers?  You get what
you
> pay for, so be honest with your quotes and personal experiences!!!  You
guys
> are great!
> 
> Thanks, David

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:39:32 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?

Mike;
A little off the subject, just looked at an 85 442 for sale, couldn't get
in it, little paper on dash said, 3 speed auto w/overdrive, high lift cam
and some other BS and etc.
I could see the console, only had 1/2/drive on it, car was about an 80%
car, he called me, voice mail and said 3200.00, it's black and gold trim,
interior what I could see was OK, some small dings and many rock chips on
front end of body, new tires, haven't talked too him in person yet, doing
the phone tag thing so far, was thinking about another toy. What are these
going for, anyone know. It's pretty but needs work, right now donno how
much.
Lou
- ---------
> From: Mike Rothe. <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?
> Depends.  You may have to do without Low.  Other than that, you could
> prolly make it work, however it sorta defeats the purpose.  Still look
> neat.
> 
> Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:43:48 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@rbnet.com>
Subject: Re: TH-200R4- price/where to buy/etc...

A Sea wrote:
> 
> I dont know much about trans, but why would you swap a 200 for a 350

Heh, I got asked that every time I called a junkyard looking for one.
:)  The 2004R is an  overdrive transmission, it has a 4th gear with a
.67:1 ratio.  With 4.11 gears in the rearend it would give you a 2.75
final drive ratio in 4th so it can really help your mileage.  The 200C
is the undesireable transmission, it's a non-overdrive 3-speed.  

The 2004R is weaker than a 350, but it's not nearly as bad as a 200C,
it's kinda in the middle.  The 200C's lousy reputation has rubbed off on
the 2004R so it's never gotten much respect.  The 2004R ~is~
temperamental.  For instance it'll burn up in a hurry if the throttle
position cable is misadjusted.  Once the kinks are worked out they're a
pretty decent tranny for a mild performance setup...Just ask one of
thoes Buick GN owners who run 12s at the dragstrip and get 20mpg on the
way home. :)        

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:46:58 -0500 (EST)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!

Desert Dog is hard to beat.

Go to 442.com to get his number.

At 01:29 AM 2/20/99 EST, you wrote:
>Any good references on rechroming of 71 442 W-30 bumpers?  You get what you
>pay for, so be honest with your quotes and personal experiences!!!  You guys
>are great!
>
>Thanks, David
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:05:04 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Non Olds, delete if possible

Guy doing my carpets has a 1976 Chrysler New Yorker "Town and Country
Wagon", damn nice, he's an old dude, older than Don and I by two
generations, he needs some chrome trim pieces for the rt.side (his wife
bumped the garage), this car is really cherry!, 440 engine and BIGGER then
anything I've ever seen, would anyone know where to find that kind of stuff
on the net, he doesn't even know what a computer is except they print his
Soc. Sec. checks, would really like the help the guy out. He is very nice
and is lost, I said, " Hell the Olds list can find anything", any help here
would be greatly appreciated. TIA
Master Lou
lbiggs@intertek.net

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:02:22 -0500
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?

Lou,

If you can, you should go back and take another look at it.  I'm positive
that ~all~ 442s had OD transmissions, ie P-R-N-OD-D-2-1.  If not, it's
probably not a 442.  If you can take another look at it, be sure to get the
VIN.  The 8th character should be a '9', standing for the high-output 307
cui. V8.  A 'Y' indicates a "regular" 307 and a '3' designates a Buick-built
231 cui. V6.

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://members.xoom.com/jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Lou Biggs <lbiggs@intertek.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?


>Mike;
>A little off the subject, just looked at an 85 442 for sale, couldn't get
>in it, little paper on dash said, 3 speed auto w/overdrive, high lift cam
>and some other BS and etc.
>I could see the console, only had 1/2/drive on it, car was about an 80%
>car, he called me, voice mail and said 3200.00, it's black and gold trim,
>interior what I could see was OK, some small dings and many rock chips on
>front end of body, new tires, haven't talked too him in person yet, doing
>the phone tag thing so far, was thinking about another toy. What are these
>going for, anyone know. It's pretty but needs work, right now donno how
>much.
>Lou

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:05:37 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: new 71 owner

In a message dated 2/20/99, 10:36:04 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<I recently inherited a 71 olds cutlass from my grandmother that passed away.
She bought the car brand new and I found the original papers in the glove
box including the protecto plate and all service records.  The car is mocha
brown with a white vinyl top.  The only thing is that grandma was thrifty.
The car only has power steering and the original am radio.  It has the 350
2-barrel with barley 100,000.00 miles on it.   What I would like to do is
turn it into a 442 but I am concerned about the cost.>>

My suggestion: enjoy this beauty for what it is...a rare unmolested
original...and resist the temptation to modify it in any manner.


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:13:13 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?

Jason;
Think I was looking at the other end of the shift gate, really was hard too
see, I may buy this thing, it's really pretty from a distance, but up
close, some rought places. Thanks buddy!
Lou

- ----------
> From: Jason Adcock <rocketolds@vt.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?
> Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 5:02 PM
>Lou

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:14:28 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!

Got an address or phone #? TIA
Lou

- ----------
> From: C. Casteel <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!
> Date: Saturday, February 20, 1999 4:46 PM
> 
> Desert Dog is hard to beat.
> 
> Go to 442.com to get his number.
> 
> At 01:29 AM 2/20/99 EST, you wrote:
> >Any good references on rechroming of 71 442 W-30 bumpers?  You get what
you
> >pay for, so be honest with your quotes and personal experiences!!!  You
guys
> >are great!
> >
> >Thanks, David
> >
> >

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 17:07:24 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: Rechroming bumpers...need suggestions!

Scott;
Punt!
Lou

- ----------
> From: CPEARLPARK@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:19:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Psychotic redhead <ellwit@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Conv't Top Replacement $$

hello, 
actully it is not really that hard, my father, a friend and i have
done it 2x. and the last time even installed a glass back window, of
coarse, where are you to get that great price, as well as what type of
top. i have a scissor top. thanks-- ellwit





- ---RNenno@aol.com wrote:
>
> We just recently paid $475 to have ours done by a professional shop.
 We
> looked into doing it ourselves, but after reading the twelve + pages
of
> instructions, decided it wasn't worth it.
> 
> RNENNO@AOL.COM  
> 

==



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                                        :P + :) 


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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:40:42 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Overdrive tranny with Hurst dual gate?

Jason was right.  Here are some things to look for if you can't pop the
hood.  Look for the "9" in the VIN.  Also, flip down the rear license
plate holder, look for an air shock valve.  Should have the 15" SSIII
wheels with gold inlay, gold pinstripe and 442 centercaps.  Gage
package, buckets, and console with leather wrapped sport wheel
standard.  The inside door panels have "442" badging, and the tranny
WILL be an OZ code TH200-4R overdrive tranny.  The console plate has me
puzzled.  Look again.  It may have been switched with another top plate,
you never know.  No chrome trim on the trunk, save for the Oldsmobile
script and keylock.  Also, no chrome trim on the lower part of the car,
including wheel wells and bumpers (painted lower body silver code 15). 
Any body side mouldings, if factory, should be silver/gray to match the
lower part of the car.  See if you can get under the car.  In back,
you'll find dual outlet exhaust, air shocks, and here's something that
only the H/O and 442 had....a heat shield plate on the passenger side
only to protect the gas hoses from the heat.  Right above the axle.  MAY
or MAY NOT have the "limited slip" tag on the pumpkin cover.  In front,
if you can get that far under it, you will see the harmonic balancer. 
If it is super skinny, it's a Y engine. If it's "normal looking", like a
350 (about an inch thick), it's more than likely a "9".  If you CAN get
under the passenger side, on the back end of the tranny is the OZ code. 
Keep us informed.  3200 isn't a bad price if straight and runs decent.
> 
> Mike;
> A little off the subject, just looked at an 85 442 for sale, couldn't get
> in it, little paper on dash said, 3 speed auto w/overdrive, high lift cam
> and some other BS and etc.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:40:42 -0600
From: "patrick derkacz" <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: Re: broken dipstick help

Well,  I got my headers from summit, in one day(very cool).  Went to put em
in.  Realized the dipstick tube had to come out to put the drivers side
header in and the &^%$%&** thing broke right at the base.

I can spin the d&^%%** thing in the hole with a bolt extractor but I can't
lever the **&^&*^%  thing out.   I know this must have happened to someone
else, so what did you do to get it out?
Please don't tell me you pulled the oil pan off.

What is holding it in?  Isn't there a small flare at the end that kind of
press fits into the hole?

*((*&^)*&^)&)^%$%$&%#&$

any suggestions are appreciated

patrickd@wwnet.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 15:48:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Psychotic redhead <ellwit@yahoo.com>
Subject: [none]

unsubscribe



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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:57:27 -0500
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: TH-200R4- price/where to buy/etc...

Greg,

Two good places I know of:

Bow Tie Overdrives
Steve Holmes
760-947-5240
Hesperia, CA

Rossler Transmissions
Carl Rossler
330-530-5000
Girad, OH

I know these guys because of my adapting a TH-700 to my '72 CS Convertible.

I got my TH-700 "built tough" @ Rossler's.  Carl's a great guy and very
knowledgeable.  He's built tranny's for some of Lingenfelter's heavy duty
projects.

Haven't dealt with Steve @ Bow Tie very much, but he came highly
recommended.  He sent me some very clear and instructive information about
setting up and adjusting the TV cable.

Might be they'll both want to steer you towards a TH-700 rather than the
TH-200.

Don't know what your reason's are for wanting a TH-200.  I know some guys
on the list really like it.  There was a thread awhile back that covered a
lot about different overdrive trannys including the 4L80's & 4L60's.  I
saved them all and would be glad to forward them to you if you think that
would be helpful.  Just toss me a line privately.

Hope this helps,

jp

BTW  I used the TH-700 with my 350 (mild street cam & 4bbl) and a 3.42
posi.  Liked the shift points alot, fit my driving style very nicely.  This
summer I'll see how it holds up to my 425 EFI.  Carl says his work on my
TH-700 could handle 500 ft/lbs.  I won't be seeing that much from the 425
(one of the reasons I went with it).

Jonathan Parke
mailto:jonparke@together.net


>I'm looking into replacing my TH-350 with a TH-200R4 into my '71 cutlass
>with a 350.  What will a good tranny cost?  Where's a place to get one?
>
>-greg

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:19:46 -0500
From: EJ <oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Re: CCC Feedback Quadrajet -- fast idle & air cleaner question.

This message concerns my 85 Toronado, all stock 307, feedback Quadrajet.
Thanks to all who gave me some input. I managed to get up under the
right front part of the carb to turn the fast idle speed screw(what a
pain in the endzone!, thankfully I had enough brains to do it when it
was cold), but it could still use some fine tuning(too high now I
think). This tinkering around has led to 2 new questions.

1) Should'nt *ALL* QJets(reg flavor and feedback) have the same # of
screws securing the top section(airhorn ?) of the carb down ?

Ever look down your carb when the choke is wide open and you can see the
heads of 2 screws ?

Well..... problem is I *DONT* !

According to the Haynes Rochester Carb Manual, there is no mention of
any differences in the # of screws between models.

My 84 Calais is no longer slurping thru a feedback QJet(actually it has
none of the CCC junk), and I can't find the remains of it at the moment
to look at and see if it has the screws or not.

2) After removing the air filter, there is another sort of filter(very
similar in design to the air filter) which sits inside/within the
circumfrence of the regular filter(kind of like an inner layer of a
cinnamon roll ?....sorry foods on the mind....the delicous aroma of our
dinner cooking is filling the room up here ;), and is, or has been
permanently attached by some sort of adhesive to the base of the air
cleaner assembly.

What is this extra filter for ?

Baffle ???

Pun intended, cause I am rather baffled ;) !!!
 
Tried glancing(sp) thru my 84 Olds(don't have 85) shop manual breiefly
and did'nt see anything.

Anybody ???

TIA

EJ

- -- 
"EJ"  In Hamilton Township, New Jersey, suburb of Trenton
On digest where availabile, not regular mail
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E-Mail: oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net
                               The "Fleet"
1979 Pontiac "Olds organ donor" Trans Am T-tops Rebuilt Olds 6.6L 403 
     4bbl-TH350 Performer Cam and Intake.....going into the Calais
     For Sale. 
1984 Olds Cutlass Calais T-Tops 5.0L 307 4bbl-TH350-2.14 gears K+N.....
     soon to be 6.6L 403 4bbl, and hopefully some better "rear" gears
1985 Olds Toronado 5.0L 307 4bbl-AOD(newly acquired Sept. 98). 
1992 Lincoln Mark VII LSC Moonroof 5.0L 302 EFI HO-AOD-3.27 gears
     inner fender baffle removed-K+N.
1992 Ford F-250 Reg-Cab 4WD 7.5L 460 EFI-E4OD Auto-3.55 gears.
     3-inch converter-dual outlet flowmaster 3 chamber.
     Complete K+N(no more factory air-box)-ADS Super Chip-Spitfires-
     Accel Super Coil-Cap-Rotor & 8.8 wires.
1994 Toyota Camry Sedan 4-banger-(Wow we could have had a V6!)-"mili
     -liter"-AOD. K+N (why did I even bother, still a slug!) 
     My SO's rider

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 16:35:08 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: broken dipstick help

patrick derkacz wrote:
> 
> Well,  I got my headers from summit, in one day(very cool).  Went to put em
> in.  Realized the dipstick tube had to come out to put the drivers side
> header in and the &^%$%&** thing broke right at the base.
> 
> I can spin the d&^%%** thing in the hole with a bolt extractor but I can't
> lever the **&^&*^%  thing out.   I know this must have happened to someone
> else, so what did you do to get it out?
> Please don't tell me you pulled the oil pan off.
> 
> What is holding it in?  Isn't there a small flare at the end that kind of
> press fits into the hole?
> 
> *((*&^)*&^)&)^%$%$&%#&$
> 
> any suggestions are appreciated
> 
> patrickd@wwnet.com



Patrick,

One option is to attach a slide hammer to the
bolt extractor and pull it out that way.  If 
you do not have a slide hammer, lock a pair of
Vice-Grips onto the extractor and from the 
underside of the car tap on the Vice-Grips 
with a hammer.  I've had good results with
either method.  The tube is held in the block
by the press fit of two steps on the tube.    
As a suggestion on cars with headers, 
I always lightly file the two steps of the
(new) dipstick tube.  This way the tube 
can be easily removed in the event you
need to remove the headers, change gaskets,
etc.  Because unlike manifolds, the tube
needs to be removed before you can remove 
or install headers.  

Hope this helps.

 
Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 
Portland, Oregon  503-244-8249

Web site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 18:54:47 -0600
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Re: Still need E-address assisst - Karoe@ ??

	SOM wrote:  (Channeling through Karl)
	
	Looking for an address for a guy (mebbe named Kyle ??) from the
Boulder, Colorado area who was apparently lurking for a while on the
digest but does not seem to be a current subscriber.

	All that can be remembered is:

	Karoe@ ....

	(if that is even close!)

	That's very close, Karl.  Kyle's address is karoe@us.ibm.com

	Hope this helps,

Doug Newman         OCA # 30311
Columbus, MS         1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html               1987 442
http://www.442.com/newmantape.html        Centennial Tape Info.  

	

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:56:43 EST
From: GHeath4138@aol.com
Subject: carb

Anyone got oringal # 's carb to a 1970 442 455 V8 365 with AT.

Grover & Alice
1970 442

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:00:06 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmon@webtv.net
Subject: Re: Common Car Values  (Was: W-30 Production Totals....)

Mike,It`ll be a stock 2v Cutlass.On paper, As far as mods go.Who
knows?Sounds to me like a perfect  candidate for restifacation.What is
it`s Value?As long as you can get out what you put in,It has Value.I
think motorheads are like musicians,sometimes we make money,Most often
not.But  those dirty fingers and ruined clothes,along with this new
medium, This list, make it all worth while.

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 19:49:03 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: CCC Feedback Quadrajet -- fast idle & air cleaner question.

EJ wrote:

> 1) Should'nt *ALL* QJets(reg flavor and feedback) have the same # of
> screws securing the top section(airhorn ?) of the carb down ?
>

Nope.  Earier Q-Jets had 9 screws in the airhorn.  Later electronic Q-jets
had 13 attaching screws in the airhorn.

> Ever look down your carb when the choke is wide open and you can see the
> heads of 2 screws ?

Yep.  All Q-Jets that I know of, both early and late models, have those 2
screws down inside the primary bores.

> Well..... problem is I *DONT* !

You mean as in missing or it doesn't look like there were ever any holes
drilled for them? If the later, then I'm befuddled.

> According to the Haynes Rochester Carb Manual, there is no mention of
> any differences in the # of screws between models.

According to Doug Roe's "Rochester Carburetors," the differences in the
number of attaching screws is what I mentioned above.  He doesn't, however,
indicate whether any models didn't have the screws in the primaries.

> 2) After removing the air filter, there is another sort of filter(very
> similar in design to the air filter) which sits inside/within the
> circumfrence of the regular filter(kind of like an inner layer of a
> cinnamon roll ?....sorry foods on the mind....the delicous aroma of our
> dinner cooking is filling the room up here ;), and is, or has been
> permanently attached by some sort of adhesive to the base of the air
> cleaner assembly.

Huh?  Sounds like some sort of aftermarket add-on.  However, I'd defer to
those on the list who have more '80's experience, especially with Toros.


- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:09:19 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: new 71 owner

chuck manning wrote:

> What I would like to do is
> turn it into a 442 but I am concerned about the cost.

Ya shouldn't oughta say that too loudly.  Fake 442 is fightin' words ;-)
Seriously, I, too, wrestled with the question of modifying my own car when I 
got
it.  Here's what I finally settled on.  I'll make modifications ONLY if they 
can
be reversed, i.e. are not permanent.  To that end, I kept all my 2 bbl stuff
when I switched to 4 bbl, I go to great lengths to avoid hacking wiring, etc.
So, although I tend to agree with the comments others have made about
maintaining originality, if you can't avoid the urge to tinker, which I can't,
just do so with a plan of how you'd put things back the way they were.  And
don't throw away the parts you remove.

Congrats on the car.


- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Feb 1999 20:24:25 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: accel air filter

Ok, Let's do this. Let's see, Hummm, I would say it all boils down to
physics, Two bodies of mass can't fit in a singular space. This is true
whether solid, liquid, or gas. Look at it this way. Take a stock paper air
filter and say a K&N. The stock paper filters particulate matter to say 8
microns in size and a K&N filters down to say a 5 micron size impurity. The
sheer fact of a filter is to pass a given gas or liquid through a porous
filter medium. In this case paper. That means that the two filtering agents
have varying size pores that allow the produce being filtered, in this case
air, and catch impurities that are larger that the smallest pore in the
filter medium. If K&N filters impurities 3 microns smaller that a stock
filter element, that the given K&N pores are 3 microns smaller than the
stock filter paper. So you can also say that the stock filter element is
less restrictive than the K&N unit.

A larger total flow of air will pass the larger pores of the stack filter
verses the K&N filter. This air flow restriction thus increases intact tract
vacuum. As the vacuum rises due to restriction, that restriction caused
vacuum increase causes the carb to meter slightly more fuel. This slightly
increases the air/fuel ratio. More flue, more available horse power.

Now, manufactures "tune" their engines fuel delivery to the stock air filter
installed. Remove the filter and Horse Power drops as more air can easily
enter the intake track. This lowers the air/fuel ratio causing less Horse
Power available. Now place the more restrictive K&N and you increase the
air/fuel ratio verses the stock filter due to the restriction of the smaller
pore size. Horse Power goes up slightly.

:^P whew, Hope you all enjoyed this trip into physics 101.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's
Route-1, Box-615
Purling, NY 12470

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Keith Grant [mailto:gofastgoolds@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 20, 1999 5:08 PM
> To: olds_gbody@listbot.com
> Subject: Re: accel air filter
>
>
> Oldsmobile G-Body Mailing List - http://cyberglyphs.com/gbody/
>
> well i havent heard anyone talk about the accel filter, so i guess no
> one has any experience with it right?  also about freeing up horsepower.
> that is what its all about.  better heads flow better freeing up more
> horsepower, a better filter flows better and frees up more horsepower,
> its all in the same.  besides ive heard it said that sometimes when a
> K&N filter is used, it actually has more horsepower than with out a
> filter at all. dont know how. but ive read it in a couple of mags.. like
> hotrod or pop hot rodding...well again i would like to ask if anyone has
> any idea about the accel filter..thanx again..
>
> keith grant
> '84 calais
>
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