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oldsmobile-digest     Tuesday, February 16 1999     Volume 01 : Number 1779



Re: Hood Stripes
Re: speaking of ripoff
RE: Heater Core
Re: 15" Olds rims 14" for sale
Re: Part numbers
(no subject)
Re: BAD American Cars
Re: welding exhaust divider
Re: 15" Olds rims 14" for sale
Re: BAD American Cars
buying parts
Vintage Oldsmobiles FS, San Francisco Bay Area
Re: UNBOUNCE: Looking for a '69 Hurst Olds Poster
Re: A Tale of Two Cars
Re: A Tale of Two Cars
WANTED 1966 Cutlass
Re: WANTED 1966 Cutlass
Re: The Thickness of the Springtime Thread
Re: # 6 heads on a 455
Re: BAD American Cars
Re: Oldsmobile Alero (was: Re: RE: A Tale of Two Cars)
Re: 433?
Re: any one have photo of cutlass with bra (84 style)
Re: any one have photo of cutlass with bra (84 style)
Re: any one have photo of cutlass with bra (84 style)
Re: # 6 heads on a 455
Burning Oil (how can you tell)
Dodge Question
Re: clocked
Re: clocked
Seatbelt/shoulder harness
Re: Burning Oil (how can you tell)
MAIL LIST 
Re: Conv't Top Replacement $$
Re: The Thickness of the Springtime Thread
dash change of color
Re: MAIL LIST
RE: NASCAR Configurations
Re: WANTED 1966 Cutlass
Re: MAIL LIST
Re: BAD American Cars
Re: MAIL LIST 
buying parts -Reply
RE: A Tale of Two Cars
Re: Conv't Top Replacement $$
Re: MAIL LIST
RE: Rip off
Thanks for the help!
RE: Junkyard Finds
Re: MAIL LIST
RE: Rip off
Re: buying parts
RE: BAD American Cars
RE: MAIL LIST
Re: speaking of ripoff
Re: MAIL LIST
RE: MAIL LIST
Parts needed
Re: speaking of ripoff
RE: MAIL LIST 
FS: 68-72+ 455 headers
RE: MAIL LIST 
RE: speaking of ripoff

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 19:04:21 -0800
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: Re: Hood Stripes

Jeff Howell wrote:
> 
> Can soemone tell me if original hood stripes are painted or are they a decal?
> Jeff


Jeff,
The answer depends upon what year car the question
is being asked.  Most are painted with the
exceptions of the 1970 Rallye 350, 1970 Indy
Pace Cars, and 1972 Hurst/Olds which are 
stickers.


Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 
Portland, Oregon  503-244-8249

Web Site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:23:49 EST
From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: speaking of ripoff

In a message dated 2/15/99 9:17:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, comid@jellico.com
writes:

<< 
 A while back I posted a story about how I got taken for a bunch of green
 backs. I want to give you all another name to beware of. The names this guy
 goes by are: Stefan Defimone, Steven Difimone, Steven DiAngelo, and Paul
 DeLuca. BEWARE, BEWARE BEWARE. He has several E-mail addresses and and
 snail-mail addresses. I just found out this information from the Postal
 Inspector in Rhode Island. He's ripping people off everywhere. He especially
 preys upon those looking for specialized merchandise (like Olds stuff).
 
  >>
   This is scary, this is my back yard, I hope you guys don't mix me up with
him. I work out of Rhode Island where my warehouse is. Rumford, R.I.  I have
told a lot of local people about these posts so we are looking out for him.
Hope the cops get him before we do for his own well being

Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire   1971 Vista Cruiser
  

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:27:13 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Heater Core

Aren't the cores secured with rubber sorta mounts. Maybe the core is
responding (movement wise) to the fluctuation of coolant flow at different
RPM's. If it was (is) secured with cushions, did you possibly replace them
improperly?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Lou Biggs
> Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 7:46 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Heater Core
>
>
> Peter;
> If it's all coolant, it really shouldn't make noise, really sounds like
> trapped air, but I am no expert here at all.
> Lou
>
> ----------
> > From: Peter Berusch <pber710840@email.msn.com>
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: Heater Core
> > Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 9:27 PM
>

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:45:22 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: 15" Olds rims 14" for sale

uh just for the record kerryk didnt write that year one has the paint I gave
a ppg number
- -----Original Message-----
From: Gutlass66@aol.com <Gutlass66@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 6:02 PM
Subject: Re: 15" Olds rims 14" for sale


>In a message dated 2/15/99 3:56:48 PM Pacific Standard Time,
kerryk@CWIX.com
>writes:
>
><< AM >>
>year one has the pait

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 06:51:43 -0600
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Part numbers

well it is then probably a pontiac intake will check the part number
tomorrow afternoon also carb number...KK
- -----Original Message-----
From: Todd Thomas <OLDS72W30@webtv.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 6:23 PM
Subject: Re: Part numbers



It is a Rochester

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:04:36 -0500
From: Dean House <bridgezz@bellsouth.net>
Subject: (no subject)

how many fucking times do i need to ask, UNSUBSCIBE ME

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:19:43 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: BAD American Cars

Jason Adcock wrote:
> 
> <big accident snip>There's no way a steel axle (like we have) would
> have ripped apart like that...the car would have been tossed around, but it
> would have been in one piece, unlike the Probe.
> <snip>
Try hitting a curb at speed with any front wheel drive!  A RWD would
have, at most, a bent rim, a FWD will be up to, or in, the thousands. 
The sharp hit will break the CV joint and suspension parts.  And the new
bumpers are designed to fail for 2 reasons, 1) to absorb the energy of
impact, and b) to force you to by a new one.

I knew a guy who had a beautiful '69 Cutlass.  When he bought it it
needed a new fender, hood, grill, headlights plastics, and rad support. 
The H-word it had "punted" was totaled.  The Cutlass was sitting where
the accident occurred while the H-car was back 20 feet and over on a
lawn.

But before we all get too cocky, try running you rocket into a F-350
Superduty dually.  Or rather, don't.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is there's always a bigger vehicle
out there but with the little cars almost everyone's bigger.
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:27:22 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: welding exhaust divider

While I agree that most machine shops are trustworthy but....  I have know
shops that "practice, experiment, claim act of god " when things go wrong.
Make sure the shop you use has a good reputation for the kind of work you
are going to have done.

LP

- -----Original Message-----
From: Edward Binnix <comid@jellico.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: welding exhaust divider


>My .02 here. If a reputable machine shop is willing to weld the center
>divider without any real reservations then I think it irrelevant for
>amateurs (like myself) to question whether it's possible. Machinists
perform
>what I would consider miraculous on a regular basis. They tend to know what
>will warp, crack, or otherwise destroy cast iron, steel, aluminum,
>molybdenum, magnesium, and probably uranium (just kidding). I never gave it
>a second thought when my machinist agreed to weld the center divider on my
>heads. He said it was a pain to do because of the heating and welding and
>heating and welding. But nothing to fear.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>To: Comid <Comid>
>Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 5:30 PM
>Subject: Re: welding exhaust divider
>
>
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>>From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
>>To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>Subject: Re: welding exhaust divider
>>Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 16:32:17 -0600
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>>Yeah; If they will do it, I would do it.
>>Lou
>>
>>----------
>>> From: Paul Brillhart <pbrill1@uic.edu>
>>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>>> Subject: Re: welding exhaust divider
>>> Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 9:20 AM
>>>  How about heliarcing?  The shop that did my crank says they'll heliarc
>>> the center divider.  Then they'll port the exhausts to get rid of the
>>> slag buildup and mill the exhaust-gasket mating area...for $100-125.
>>>
>>>   Paul Brillhart
>>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:34:59 EST
From: Olds442nut@aol.com
Subject: Re: 15" Olds rims 14" for sale

Get the paint code for the gold on the '79 H/O this is an extremely close 
match. I have done a set for a '87 442, I would put the clearcoat back on
the wheels, if you don't they are way to shiny and your freshly painted 
wheels are more likely to not last that long.
      olds442nut 
       Jeff

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 23:02:56 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: BAD American Cars

>Try hitting a curb at speed with any front wheel drive!  A RWD would
>have, at most, a bent rim, a FWD will be up to, or in, the thousands. 
>The sharp hit will break the CV joint and suspension parts.  

I was going to try to stay out of this one but I have had
the pleasure to repair a couple RWD cars that have hit curbs
and snapped the axle clean off.  The repair parts list was 
something like this:

Drum, axle, shoes, hardware kit, backing plate, rim, parking
brake cable.

One car actually bent the flange on the rearend and had to 
replace the whole thing.  Note that these were all cars that 
had virtually no body damage (except that caused by the
loose wheel) and simply slid sideways into a curb.  These
were all insurance jobs and the price from our shop was in
the $750 to $1K range with the exception of the one that
needed the rearend.  OTOH, the imports that I've seen pull
the same stunt usually just bend the lower control arm and
have to ~seriously~ bend it to bust a CV joint with the 
exception of the ones that were about to come apart anyway.
CV joints get a bad rap but they'll outlast a RWD U joint if
people would just check the boots.  Without grease and 
with water and grit in it anything will wear out.  Like what was
said earlier, every car has it's weak points and certain things
you have to watch out for.  You can't use the same checklist
for all cars.  As far as the cost's of repair, both imports and
domestics have thier own expensive stuff to work on.  If you
have a Northstar better hope you never have starter problems,
it's under the intake manifold!?  How much is that seemingly
simple job gonna cost.  Soapbox off.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:11:19 -0500
From: "dave worthington" <oldsranch@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: buying parts

I appreciate the pointers everyone has posted to the list about dealing
with folks on parts for sale.  Ever since my BB 2x4 setup was stolen last
october, i've been trying to find another intake manifold to replicate the
setup I had.  There have been a few good prospects (and NO, the one on ebay
for sale wasnt the one stolen).  I've asked the folks with the parts for
phone numbers.  Been four days so far, and havent heard from either one. 
In the same email asking for their number, I've added my home address and
phone number as a good faith gesture.  Hope I wont regret it.  Swap meet
season is coming up, and I hope some of you will keep a lookout for my
parts.  It's such a bastard combo with the parts I had, it would be easy to
spot.  It was a low rise 2x4 offy intake with 1" spacers, old AFB's with
small air cleaner diameters (4.25+ or -) a milled air cleaner, and old
ball-type linkage.  

And a thank you to those of you who've passed around the "welding up center
divider" idea.  I'm about 3 weeks away from tackling the heads.  I've been
fortunate enough to learn from my dad (used to race an injected, bored,
stroked and balanced 371 dragster...) about how to rebuild engines.  My
first was a 350 olds in 1987.  Still driving it today!  But anyway, we got
a valve grinder and sioux seat grinder about 15 years ago, and it is
awesome to do the stuff you would usually have to farm out!  Just wish I
could weld the divider myself.

Is there anything sweeter than hearing the beast come to life, after long
cuss-filled, sweaty, busted-knuckle nights?  I'll find out again in about 2
months!


Dave Worthington
oldsranch@worldnet.att.net
david_worthington@reyrey.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:11:16 PST
From: "Mike Sealey" <rocket98for69@hotmail.com>
Subject: Vintage Oldsmobiles FS, San Francisco Bay Area

The following ads appeared in today's San Francisco Chronicle.  I know 
nothing about any of these cars; I am but a messenger.

Mike Sealey
'69 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan

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Oldsmobile '48 4dr., orig. cond., $1250 (925) 449-4554

- -----

Oldsmobile '63 88 Starfire, center console, 2dr, PW, tilt.  Runs good.  
Lots of extra parts. $7500 (650) 878-8107

- -----

Oldsmobile '66 Starfire, 89K, wht/red int. $1200 (415) 771-6869

- -----

Oldsmobile '75 Delta 88 Conv., smogged $2500/bo (650) 349-9870




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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 21:14:35 -0800 (PST)
From: Jeff & Sherie Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Looking for a '69 Hurst Olds Poster

I've been wanting the Hurst Olds club to repro the original '69 H/O show
room poster to sell as a fund raiser.  Any body else want one?

On Sat, 13 Feb 1999, Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> Not on the list, respond to mpaulson@cheerful.com
> 
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:	Michelle Paulson <a0166312@rlemail.dseg.ti.com>
> Subject: Looking for a '69 Hurst Olds Poster
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am looking to find a full color poster of the '69 Hurst Olds.  I live
> in the Dallas, TX, area.  Can you help me locate one?  I appreciate any
> help.   Thanks.
> 
> Michelle Paulson
> Please email me at:
> mpaulson@cheerful.com
> or
> m-paulson@ti.com
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:35:19 EST
From: Jetaway4sp@aol.com
Subject: Re: A Tale of Two Cars

IGOR Wrote:
<< Also, I would NEVER EVER buy a used or new
 small N.A. car (like the Sunfire or the Neon).  If I HAD TO, I would buy a
 Jap. small car over a N.A. small car, but then again, I would NEVER buy a
 small car so that is besides the point. >>

Igor,
	Why don't you just go ahead and tell us what you really think? Don't 
hold
back on us now!
AAHH to be young again!

Randy in Oklahoma
57 88 J2

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:38:33 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: A Tale of Two Cars

I hate any car better than mine, i just do, i hate every car pretty mcuh then,
lol, you'd understand if you've seen my webpage, lol
Kelly erickson
www.angelfire.com/wa/Olds442z/
1966 Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:16:31 -0500
From: "C Thomas" <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: WANTED 1966 Cutlass

I Know that someone out there Can Help me . Im Looking for a 1966 or same
Body style as the 66 That is running and fairly in decent shape. Im Looking
to spend around $3500.00 . Or I have a COUPLE of vehicles to trade Like a 64
Jetstar 88 or an 1984 F@rd Ranger Pickup, If Someone has a 66 442 they want
to trade I have a 92 Chevy Beretta GTZ that Is fully loaded with the Quad
Four. I would Like to have the car before this summer. Im Trying to turn all
of my vehicles over to Oldsmobiles So if you Have some Interesting Trades or
For sales Let me Know.

Chad Thomas
www.442.com/cthomas.html

1985 Cutlass IROC-SS
1984 CS 330 Rocket
1964 Jetstar 88
Soon TO Have a 98 Aurora

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:21:00 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: WANTED 1966 Cutlass

I know where one is, but Its mine, sorry
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/Olds442z/
Kelly Erickson
Gutlass66@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 22:55:38 PST
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: The Thickness of the Springtime Thread

Hmm,

Austin, Texas

Beautiful weather 300 days out of the year.

This last week sunny with cool mornings.

Ohhhh Yeaaaaahhhhh!!!!

Cruisin',

Chris Rivier
Austin,TX
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST is BACK!
in a wreck, http://www2.bladeti.com/cars/
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 166K LAWN ORNAMENT!


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:10:44 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: # 6 heads on a 455

>As I was tearing down my 455 (in a 70 cutlass) to repair oil leaks, I noticed
>it had #6 heads,CFD/859.
 [snip]
>The main problem I have with the car is timing at idle(mild backfiring) and
>some pre spark ignition without octane boost.  

That is from the excessive compression (probably 12:1+) with the tiny
chambers on those heads.

>Is this small block head on a BB a good combination? 

Only if you want your operating range to be limited to the 400-2500rpm
range. IOW, no, it is a positively bad combination: small ports, small
valves, too-much compression.

>I think it would have too much compression with the 64cc heads.

Yes.

>Do I need to install BB heads, or will this combination work?

Well, it will work, but far below what it could do.

>I did notice that the intake manifold ports were much larger than the small
>block head ports.  This did not appear efficient.

That's also holding the motor back.

>Overall the engine runs well.

It will run much better with *any* set of big-block heads on it.
_______________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:16:54 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: BAD American Cars

>I guess the point I'm trying to make is there's always a bigger vehicle
>out there but with the little cars almost everyone's bigger.


Right ON.  However with my Regency, there is only a few bigger cars left,
but lots of bigger trucks.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:17:36 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Alero (was: Re: RE: A Tale of Two Cars)

><<I can't recommend any new American car over a Toyota or Honda.......>>
>
>How does the Alero stack up?  Anyone?

Took a look at one at the auto-show last month. I can't tell you how
disappointed I was in the quality of the thing (and of all the Oldses they
had there that day). I could tell as soon as I sat in it and closed the
door: pulling the door shut with the pull handle caused the entire door
panel to flex about 4" in and out! It seems that the handle is attached to
nothing other than the cardboard door panel itself, not the metal (if there
is any) behind the door. Also, I'd be shoked to find such a poor-quality
glovebox on a Kia Sephia, never mind on an Olds, but there it was. 

After that vivid display of poor quality, I made a point of testing each
car's door-pulls and gloveboxes. Even the Olds Aurora had flexy door panels,
and its glovebox was sub-par compared to even something like the Ford Escort
(which also had superior door-handles). I tell you, I couldn't live with
that Olds on a daily basis, if only for wondering whether I was going to
pull that whole door-panel off by accident. I'll stick with my '70...

[FWIW, I was equally disappointed with the Japanese cars)
_______________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:19:40 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: 433?

>I was surfing around the big 'ol www last night and ran across this guys
>page, and he had a few pics of his car ('79 T/A) with a 403 in it.
>Anyway in the info about his car it was stated that the 403 was bored to
>433 cid. Can that be done to a 403? I e-mailed the guy for some info, he
>said it was the same engine. Anyway I'm just wondering about that, seems
>that the cylinder wall would be pretty thin for an over-bore like that!

I think he needs to take his math class over again. A 403 is lucky to take a
.040" overbore; the pistons you'd need to make it a 433 would be dangerously
close to turning the engine into a large V-2 by breaking through the
cylinder walls (where there isn't much space in stock form).
_______________________________________________
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http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:32:59 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: any one have photo of cutlass with bra (84 style)

Hard to see here, but since no one else has jumped in, here's a quickee...

http://members.tripod.com/~Oldsmagnet/Scraper1.jpg
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 02:41:18 -0500
From: "C Thomas" <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: Re: any one have photo of cutlass with bra (84 style)

GOSH Have you hit anything lately!!!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 2:34 AM
Subject: Re: any one have photo of cutlass with bra (84 style)


>Hard to see here, but since no one else has jumped in, here's a quickee...
>
>http://members.tripod.com/~Oldsmagnet/Scraper1.jpg
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 00:51:27 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: any one have photo of cutlass with bra (84 style)

http://members.tripod.com/~Oldsmagnet/Scraper1.jpg
> GOSH Have you hit anything lately!!!

Just the occasional line on the road, pebbles, and anything else that sticks up
more than a quarter inch off the road....  :-)  

Naw, actually, that ain't my car.  We give the kid ~tons~ of crap over it,
though, cuz of it's gawd-awful rake.  Previous owner did that with the rear
springs, a semi-permanent setup, rather involved.  Dave hasn't had the means to
pull 'em out yet.  There is a dent in the passenger fender's front, caused by
previous owner and a stop sign.  Kinda mucked up the nose a bit, too.  Basic
reason behind the bra, right there.  Looks decent though, on jack stands :)

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 01:37:19 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: # 6 heads on a 455

>It will run much better with *any* set of big-block heads on it.


Any set of BB heads would be better, like the Dr. said.  Even Js would do
just fine if you port them out a bit and polish the exhaust side.  This is
what I have and they work great.  What BB heads would do is bring your
compression down to livable levels.  It would allow you to run pump gas,
move your timing advance up and breathe a lot better.

Igor Todorovic
1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23s)

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 02:17:49 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Burning Oil (how can you tell)

As some of you know, I have a 455 motor that I got from the bone-yard.  I
never heard it run so I could not tell you nothing about it.  How can I tell
(from exhaust combustion chambers or what) if this motor burned oil.  Since
the motor is still together and it still has a starter, could I perform a
compression test (no carb and no distributor).  I would like to know as much
as I can about the shape of this motor before I open it up and take a look.
I disassembled my old 307 from my Delta (250,000 miles) and I was pleasantly
surprised.  Compared to the 455 core that I rebuilt (one that is now in my
Delta) it is way, way better.  But the old 455 did burn oil and was
seriously neglected (and sat for 6 yr. or so) and now it runs great (full
rebuild).  I am trying to decide weather to get rid of the 455 core or to do
a cheap rebuild.  It would be nice to drop it into my '81 Regency on propane
but then again, that 307 is in AWESOME shape and the fuel economy is great.
Also, the stock 200-4R could never take the juice.  But the core 455 could
keep my options open.  There is a late '70s Trans Am in my neighborhood for
sale for $900.  The body is not that great so I will pass (not like I have
money now), but would like to find a good body/bad motor one some day and
put a rebuild  403 (if it comes with it) or a 455 in and kick butt.  Or
maybe a truck like that, or something.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 02:21:00 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Dodge Question

I am just wondering what a 40,000 mile 367 (360 .030 over) non-emissions
would be worth with fresh gaskets and paint.  It is complete, except carb,
(new fuel pump, even good A/C compressor) and a RV cam.  My van's body is
dead gone, so I have no choice.  Olds related: maybe get rid of the 455 core
I have.  If I do, I will disassemble it so that the buyer can have a GOOD
look.  Probably would not ask too much for it.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 02:23:44 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: clocked

>List,
>        My clock rebuild project is complete -
>it runs great and keeps perfect time - after
>24 hours it is right on - Instrument Services
>conversion kit - around $50.00


The clock in my '81 Regency is the noisiest one I have ever seen.  It also
keeps perfect time even at -40 deg. C.  Go figure.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 05:36:14 EST
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: clocked

In a message dated 2/16/99 3:24:24 AM Central Standard Time, igor455@home.com
writes:

> The clock in my '81 Regency is the noisiest one I have ever seen.  It also
>  keeps perfect time even at -40 deg. C.  Go figure.

My '78 was like that.  Noisy as hell, but it always kept perfect time.


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 05:33:27 -0600
From: "Tim Oden" <toden@mastnet.net>
Subject: Seatbelt/shoulder harness

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1969 442 that is in original condition. It has 400 cid with 325 hp. =
There is only 107,000 miles on the car and interior is in great shape. =
The car has the two belt shoulder harness and seat belt set up. I would =
like know if there is a one piece unit that can be install to replace =
the two belt system. The two belt system does not have any slack once =
you are buckled up. If I have to adapted a unit from some type of newer =
car/truck I would be interested in knowing how to do this. Any =
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 05:59:54 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Burning Oil (how can you tell)

>How can I tell
>(from exhaust combustion chambers or what) if this motor burned oil.  Since
>the motor is still together and it still has a starter, could I perform a
>compression test (no carb and no distributor).  I would like to know as
much
>as I can about the shape of this motor before I open it up and take a look.


Igor,
Yes, you can do a compression test on this motor but you
will have to hook up a battery spin the motor over to
measure the compression.  FWIW I've mentioned it
before and here I go again but compression tests are
not accurate, don't give you an accurate picture of engine
condition, and won't pinpoint valve problems.  Before I
start getting flamed here, I do know about all the tricks
to use to isolate between valve and ring problems with
compression testers.

A more accurate and reliable gauge is a leakdown tester
which will give you a percentage of how much is leaking
out of a cyl and, by listening to where the air is going, what
is causing the leak whether it is a valve, rings or leak into
the water jackets.  You do have to have a source of
compressed air but the accuracy is unmatched.  Tavia sells
a tester that you can get through summit or jegs which I will
be buying hopefully soon.  Here's the link:

http://www.tavia.com/cat11.html

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:41:51 -0500 (EST)
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:53:07 EST
From: SrDietW30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Conv't Top Replacement $$

Just had mine put on last week.   Labor for top shop $ 500.00 (cash).
Top, rear window, cables, well liner & pads I got from Year 1 for about $
300.00



Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA
     71 442 W30 Conv.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:33:21 -0800
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: The Thickness of the Springtime Thread

GS850L!  That's almost as old as my GS1000E.  Peter.  Arthritic in Atlanta.
- -----Original Message-----
From: OLDS44272@aol.com <OLDS44272@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 5:57 PM
Subject: Re: The Thickness of the Springtime Thread


>In a message dated 2/15/99 8:27:59 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>costanzo@netcarrier.com writes:
>
><< It's the middle of February, and for those of us who live in areas with
> season changes, the most blessed one is soon to arrive.  >>
>     Last Thursday-- Cleveland ohio, high temp 65 degrees= washing car in
>jeans and t-shirt.         Last Saturday-- shoveling 3 inches snow away
from
>the side door.. = welcome to Cleveland and stupid lake effect snow!!     I
>have been fixing up the house. When spring arrives, i'll be riding my
Suzuki
>GS 850 L motorcycle!!!.......

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:01:46 -0500 (EST)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: dash change of color

I'm thinking of changing my interior color from saddle to black.  can you
change the dash color without removing it from the car?  What is the process if
you can do this.

Thanks
Doug
70 CS conv't

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:06:05 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: MAIL LIST

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:23:30 -0500
From: Darren King <KingD@sx.com>
Subject: RE: NASCAR Configurations

From what I remember, you can't run a car that's corresponding
street model is more than 2 years old.  I don't think they even
have an Olds template any more.  All the Chevy teams switched
immediately to the Lumina in 89  (don't know about the GP).
I don't  think NASCAR would allow a g-body and you wouldn't
want to prep a 99 Cutlass...you'd have to have a new body style
approved.  Even if they ley you use a g-body, you'd get killed
aero-dynamically and they don't allow much engine innovation
anymore so you wouldn't be able to over power anyone.

Darren

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gary Couse [SMTP:gjcouse@francomm.com]
> Sent:	Saturday, February 13, 1999 12:34 PM
> To:	G-Body List; Oldsmobile@Chebucto. Ns. Ca
> Cc:	Lbiggs@Intertek. Net
> Subject:	NASCAR Configurations
> 
> Oldsmobile G-Body Mailing List - http://cyberglyphs.com/gbody/
> 
> Family;
> 
> Can anyone tell enlighten my as to the drive lines in current NASCAR
> vehicles? I realize there isn't any current Olds in the line ups. Maybe I
> can ready a unit or 2 to contend and bring Olds back. Are there any
> restrictions as to vehicle year used? Yes, G-body are rather square
> compared
> to the current Aero dynamic designs. That can be lessened in the nose that
> would get molded for this venture.
> Just watching the Busch Series NAPA 300 in Daytona. There hitting top ends
> @
> 7,000 RPM and 200+ MPH. What transmissions/rear ends are  they doing this
> with. I realize since Olds hasn't been in it in years that all the engines
> are other brands, but what. Anyone have some configuration figures they
> can
> share with me?  I'll take any truthful specs you can tell me. From total
> car
> weight, suspension aspects, Body molders, tube frame construction, to
> safety
> equipment required.
> 
> Since it would be hard to convert this to an Olds topic, please respond to
> me privately at any of the e-address below in my SIG. I assure you my
> e-mail
> has been corrected so I am VERY interested in what you have for me. From
> experience and mechanical facts, to product suppliers and sponsoring.
> Anyone
> have any actual experience from hanging out at the owners shops to being
> on
> a crew?
> 
> -----Regards,
> 
> Gary J. Couse
> Couse Custom's
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> 
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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:26:53 -0500
From: "Ken Swick" <swickka@pa.net>
Subject: Re: WANTED 1966 Cutlass

I got a 66 442, 400 ci original and in very nice shape
   new quarters, trunk, blocked to primer, being painted
Spectre Red, ready in early may ... but $3500? i don't think so.
Ken Swick
swickka@pa.net  

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:22:20 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: MAIL LIST

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:28:21 -0500
From: "Jason Adcock" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: BAD American Cars

Yeah, what's with that?  My friend and I were at the D.C. auto show and I
saw what I thought to be the starter in the 'V' of the engine, right there
in the middle.  I asked the know-nothing in a suit and he said that it *is*
in the middle, but they don't know why; they'd have to ask an engineer.
That'd be a good 4 or 5 hours of labor to change that sucker out!  :-)

Jason Adcock
mailto:rocketolds@vt.edu
http://members.xoom.com/jadcock

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bloomer <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, February 16, 1999 12:06 AM
Subject: Re: BAD American Cars

>domestics have thier own expensive stuff to work on.  If you
>have a Northstar better hope you never have starter problems,
>it's under the intake manifold!?  How much is that seemingly
>simple job gonna cost.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:55:03 -0500
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
Subject: buying parts -Reply

Offy still makes an olds 2x4 intake in low rise and high rise

>>> "dave worthington" <oldsranch@worldnet.att.net> Tuesday,
February 16, 1999 >>>
  Ever since my BB 2x4 setup was stolen last
october, i've been trying to find another intake manifold to replicate the
setup I had.  

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:13:42 -0600
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: A Tale of Two Cars

Being from Texas I have to agree......Bigger is Better.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Igor T. '81 DRB 455 [SMTP:igor455@home.com]
> Sent:	Monday, February 15, 1999 5:11 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: A Tale of Two Cars
> 
> >Don't believe everything your hear about prices.
> 
> 
> My family checked and test drove.  I did not "hear it" but rather had
> the
> salesmen work it out.
> 
> >I have a 1997 Toyota Avalon 6-cyl (only way it comes), airbags,
> >anti-lock brakes, power-everything, overdrive, etc.  and I paid
> $21,500
> >NOT $30,000 Brand New.  Our T-100 (brand new) sticker price was
> 29,900
> >and we paid 21,000.
> 
> 
> That is a good price, but Toyota is not the most expensive.  I was
> talking
> about CAN. dollars just in case you were not.  If you were, it is a
> good
> price, but if not then multipy that by 1.5 and you will get what I
> said.
> Anyway, after looking we decided to buy a used Intrepid which was 6
> monts
> old and had a little less then 20,000 miles for $16,000 NO TAX (which
> is 7%
> + all the new car taxes).  The same girlfriends mom bought a new one
> and she
> had a few options we did not (mag wheels, driving lights,
> ground-effects).
> She paid $20,900 and after 30 month lease she gave it back with 15,000
> miles
> on the odometer and no troubles.  BUT, that is because of the pampered
> 15,000 miles.  Give it another 30,000 and the trans might be toast.
> 
> >You need someone to help you buy your next car.  Sounds like you
> could
> >have saved even more on that Intrepid!!!
> 
> 
> Like I said, it was 16,000.  My next car will be like my '81, $1500
> bucks,
> need nothing, has everything, cost nothing to run (more then 1/2 the
> price
> of gas, 2.56 rear + OD) and I will get rid of it when I starts getting
> problems, by which time it will cost me about $5 per month for a big,
> roomy,
> luxury car.  And best of all, I will be SAFE.  I hung around a body
> shop
> doing some work for about 4 months and have seen enough.  Don't start
> another debate about new Vs. old safety I really don't care what
> people will
> say.  I have seen enough Hondas and Toyotas, Nissans and Subarus
> there.  I
> have also seen GM and Chrysler products, in every size.  Me and all
> the
> people that worked there mutually agree that bigger is better, and
> Japanese
> cars just don't have the "bigger" part.  There was an old guy who
> worked
> there and who has been in that trade for about 30 years.  He drives
> and
> loves VW, but he said that my '81 Vs. any Japanese car is like 3to1 in
> strength, despite what the books say.  BUT, again, like I said, I have
> seen
> enough to have MY own opinion.

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Date: Mon, 15 Feb 1999 17:38:07 -0600
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Conv't Top Replacement $$

I paid $600 for mine.  Looks good, not perfect though.  Some waviness along
the bows.  new pads were included.

- -greg

- -----Original Message-----
From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, February 15, 1999 5:29 PM
Subject: Conv't Top Replacement $$


>I was wondering what people paid to have their convertible tops replaced on
>a 70-72 442. Was the work satisfactory and did the top look and last? I
>have heard prices from $400 - $1500 (includes top & Labor).
>What things should I watch out for?
>
>
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:20:00 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: MAIL LIST

this dude should be banned from the web

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:25:11 -0600
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: Rip off

Depending on how much the check was for.......you can have the bank
cancel it for a fee (normally around 10$).

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Lou Biggs [SMTP:lbiggs@intertek.net]
> Sent:	Monday, February 15, 1999 5:25 PM
> To:	Olds List
> Subject:	Rip off
> 
> To all;
> The guy I am looking for is Tom Palasty, he's from Vassar, Michigan,
> he's
> not on the list, told me he got my name from a friend who IS on the
> list.
> He told me his buddies name was Dennis, who IS on the list. He has not
> cashed my check but it's been three months since I sent it to him for
> a
> left front grille for the 75 Cutlass Supreme. If anyone knows him I
> would
> appreciate if you would mention that to him please, either send me the
> grille or the check back. Have not heard a word since Nov., hate to
> drive
> that far to get arrested, but not many choices left. Patience is not a
> virtue I possess when money is involved. Any help would be
> appreciated,
> maybe he's snowed in, I hope so, for all our sake!
> Master Lou
> lbiggs@intertek.net
> PS Takes a lot, but.

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:31:09 -0600
From: "Norm Muelleman" <norm806@dialnet.net>
Subject: Thanks for the help!

Thank you everyone who helped me with my Olds 403 questions...
Now that I've completed the engine, I'll be signing off the list...
Feel free to visit the F-Body List!
Take care!

Norm("How DOES a swallow carry a coconut?"" Perhaps it grasps it by the
tusk) Muelleman
ICQ: 3156478
norm806@dialnet.net

View my webpage at: http://members.dialnet.net/norm806
Updated 2-9-99  Now with Sound!!!

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:32:47 -0600
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: Junkyard Finds

I need a set of horns for a '68 Cutlass "S".  They are attached with a
straight bracket that drops straight down in front of the radiator.

Any Ideas??

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Tony Molinaro [SMTP:AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com]
> Sent:	Monday, February 15, 1999 5:53 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Junkyard Finds
> 
> Hey guys I visited a local junk yard and found the following olds
> stuff
> 
> 1. Complete 66 toro with engine d block and  b heads still in the car
> from
> the quick look over i am suprised it is in a junk yard.
> 
> 2. Several other model year toro's with the motor gone I think the
> trannys
> are there.
> 
> 3. The junkyard sold it but is still there, waiting for the money
> story, a 70
> toro with 37,000 miles on it. f block, e heads. I will be tracking
> this one.
> 
> 4.Various 68-72 a body stuff mostly beat
> 
> Let me know if you have any interest in this stuff.
> 
> 
> Tony Molinaro
> 69 442 4spd

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 06:34:38 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: MAIL LIST

> this dude should be banned from the web

I'm kind of amazed he even found it in the first place.

(pausing now for the followup from Greg B., probably saying
something like "STOP FOLLOWING UP TO THAT IDIOT; I HAVE
REMOVED HIM FROM THE LIST AND TAKEN OTHER MEASURES WHICH I
CANNOT ELABORATE ON BUT WHICH WILL ENSURE THAT HE CANNOT
REPRODUCE EVEN IN THE EVENT THAT HE FIGURES OUT HOW TO DO
THAT AS WELL" :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:38:15 -0600
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: Rip off

Actually, that's not a bad idea.....not the vendetta......but starting a
list....

Newbies and Oldies can refer to it when purchasing items........maybe
save a few heartaches.



Mickey
'68 Cutlass "S" Conv

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Costanzo [SMTP:costanzo@netcarrier.com]
> Sent:	Monday, February 15, 1999 6:31 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	RE: Rip off
> 
> 
> Yeah!
> Let's create a vendetta list and then kick some ass at nationals.  I
> do
> nothing wrong ever, so my name can be kept off that list please sirs
> and
> ma'ams.  Thank you , drive through.
> 
> Ray Costanzo
> 87 409 Cutlass (hibernating)
> 84 Calais ($200!)
> costanzo@netcarrier.com
> http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:42:58 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: buying parts

> From: dave worthington <oldsranch@worldnet.att.net>
>
> I appreciate the pointers everyone has posted to the list about dealing
> with folks on parts for sale.  Ever since my BB 2x4 setup was stolen last
> october,

Last i checked there was one on E bay for sale.

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454




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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 08:48:42 -0600
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: BAD American Cars

I recommend avoiding the curbs to begin with.


Mickey
'68 Cutlass "S" Conv

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mike Bloomer [SMTP:mbloomer@mindspring.com]
> Sent:	Monday, February 15, 1999 11:03 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: BAD American Cars
> 
> >Try hitting a curb at speed with any front wheel drive!  A RWD would
> >have, at most, a bent rim, a FWD will be up to, or in, the thousands.
> 
> >The sharp hit will break the CV joint and suspension parts.  
> 
> I was going to try to stay out of this one but I have had
> the pleasure to repair a couple RWD cars that have hit curbs
> and snapped the axle clean off.  The repair parts list was 
> something like this:
> 
> Drum, axle, shoes, hardware kit, backing plate, rim, parking
> brake cable.
> 
> One car actually bent the flange on the rearend and had to 
> replace the whole thing.  Note that these were all cars that 
> had virtually no body damage (except that caused by the
> loose wheel) and simply slid sideways into a curb.  These
> were all insurance jobs and the price from our shop was in
> the $750 to $1K range with the exception of the one that
> needed the rearend.  OTOH, the imports that I've seen pull
> the same stunt usually just bend the lower control arm and
> have to ~seriously~ bend it to bust a CV joint with the 
> exception of the ones that were about to come apart anyway.
> CV joints get a bad rap but they'll outlast a RWD U joint if
> people would just check the boots.  Without grease and 
> with water and grit in it anything will wear out.  Like what was
> said earlier, every car has it's weak points and certain things
> you have to watch out for.  You can't use the same checklist
> for all cars.  As far as the cost's of repair, both imports and
> domestics have thier own expensive stuff to work on.  If you
> have a Northstar better hope you never have starter problems,
> it's under the intake manifold!?  How much is that seemingly
> simple job gonna cost.  Soapbox off.
> 
> Mike Bloomer
> mbloomer@mindspring.com
> ICQ# 19113713
> http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:40:47 -0500
From: Marc Leizza <mleizza@solidworks.com>
Subject: RE: MAIL LIST

I totally agree.  Some people are just not right in the head.  What a RUDE
and CHILDISH thing to Email to the list.  

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Andrew C. Green [SMTP:acg_o@hotmail.com]
	Sent:	Tuesday, February 16, 1999 9:35 AM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: MAIL LIST

	> this dude should be banned from the web

	I'm kind of amazed he even found it in the first place.

	(pausing now for the followup from Greg B., probably saying
	something like "STOP FOLLOWING UP TO THAT IDIOT; I HAVE
	REMOVED HIM FROM THE LIST AND TAKEN OTHER MEASURES WHICH I
	CANNOT ELABORATE ON BUT WHICH WILL ENSURE THAT HE CANNOT
	REPRODUCE EVEN IN THE EVENT THAT HE FIGURES OUT HOW TO DO
	THAT AS WELL" :-)

	-- Andy

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 06:51:09 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: speaking of ripoff

> He listed a number of 401-455-9425 and his "parent's" address of
> 117 Boston Post Rd No. 283
> Waterford, CT 06385

His "parents" are evidently living at Mailboxes Etc. That address
is for franchise #1465:

MBE # 1465
117 BOSTON POST RD
WATERFORD, CT 06385-2400
Phone: (860)443-4467 Fax: (860)442-0085
NEXT TO SUPER STOP & SHOP (WATERFORD)

I can't trace the specific phone number but it appears to be
in the Cranston, Rhode Island area. In any event, I agree that
you might want to avoid this guy like the plague...

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:55:34 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: MAIL LIST

This guy probably drives a Ford Festiva!!

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:48:39 -0500
From: Marc Leizza <mleizza@solidworks.com>
Subject: RE: MAIL LIST

Probably drives a Yugo!!!!

	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Gene Gilpin [SMTP:ggilpin@wrallp.com]
	Sent:	Tuesday, February 16, 1999 9:56 AM
	To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
	Subject:	Re: MAIL LIST

	This guy probably drives a Ford Festiva!!

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:58:39 -0500 (EST)
From: OLDS72W30@webtv.net (Todd Thomas)
Subject: Parts needed

I need a pair of exhaust manifolds for my 72W30, would anyone be willing
to sell a pair???
Todd Thomas

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 07:01:24 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: speaking of ripoff

Previously I wrote:

> His "parents" are evidently living at Mailboxes Etc. That address
> is for franchise #1465:
>
> MBE # 1465
> 117 BOSTON POST RD
> WATERFORD, CT 06385-2400
> Phone: (860)443-4467 Fax: (860)442-0085
> NEXT TO SUPER STOP & SHOP (WATERFORD)

Pardon me following up my own post but it just occurred to me
that I think Mailboxes Etc. (MBE) usually requires photo ID
when renting a box, something spammers have been nailed with
in the past. If someone is seriously looking for this guy, the
franchise above might be able to help; other franchises have
turned over IDs in the past so there is some precedent for this.

But when I say "seriously looking", I mean you have a court order
in hand and probably a lawyer to help.

- --
Andrew C. Green             (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.            email: acg@datalogics.com
101 N. Wacker, Ste. 1800    http://www.datalogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301     Fax: (312) 853-8282


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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:08:08 -0600
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: MAIL LIST 

Too bad you don't have better manners.

You won't get very far like this.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Onehitz@webtv.net [SMTP:Onehitz@webtv.net]
> Sent:	Tuesday, February 16, 1999 6:42 AM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	MAIL LIST 
> 
> REMOVE MY NAME FROM THIS FUCKEN LIST I DONT NEED 27 FUCKING MESSAGES
> FROM PEOPE I DONT KNOW AND SHIT I DONT CARE ABOUT
> 
> THANKZ
>  << File: signature >> 

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:14:38 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: FS: 68-72+ 455 headers

I have a pair of Blackjack headers for sale I don't need anymore.  They were
bought for a 72 455 and the motor was placed into a 77 Buick LeSabre, so
they have the necessary dents to fit.  They also have surface rust.  I'll
take best offer + shipping for them.  Any questions or ??? email me
privately, thanks.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 10:19:21 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: RE: MAIL LIST 

You know, This one bugs me. Why the hell was the guy even subscribed??
Everyone on this list knows it's a deliberate action to subscr*be to it.
I'm sure the guy didn't just wake up one morning and here we were. If
everyone on the list that is upset by the comments of this dork would send
him one message expressing their thoughts, I guarentee he'd have MORE THAN
27 "f-in'" messages from people he doesn't know! People who don't give much
of a s--t for him either! Invite the guy to the next Olds show then we'll
have a bean bag target!

Omega Man


At 09:08 AM 2/16/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Too bad you don't have better manners.
>
>You won't get very far like this.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From:	Onehitz@webtv.net [SMTP:Onehitz@webtv.net]
>> Sent:	Tuesday, February 16, 1999 6:42 AM
>> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject:	MAIL LIST 
>> 
>> REMOVE MY NAME FROM THIS FUCKEN LIST I DONT NEED 27 FUCKING MESSAGES
>> FROM PEOPE I DONT KNOW AND SHIT I DONT CARE ABOUT
>> 
>> THANKZ
>>  << File: signature >> 
>
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Feb 1999 09:22:03 -0600
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: speaking of ripoff

As a quick reference check.......you can use www.555-1212.com to trace
people by address or phone number.  If they are listed it will cross
reference information for you.  Doesn't always list everybody....but can
be a quick check.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Andrew C. Green [SMTP:acg_o@hotmail.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, February 16, 1999 8:51 AM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: speaking of ripoff
> 
> > He listed a number of 401-455-9425 and his "parent's" address of
> > 117 Boston Post Rd No. 283
> > Waterford, CT 06385
> 
> His "parents" are evidently living at Mailboxes Etc. That address
> is for franchise #1465:
> 
> MBE # 1465
> 117 BOSTON POST RD
> WATERFORD, CT 06385-2400
> Phone: (860)443-4467 Fax: (860)442-0085
> NEXT TO SUPER STOP & SHOP (WATERFORD)
> 
> I can't trace the specific phone number but it appears to be
> in the Cranston, Rhode Island area. In any event, I agree that
> you might want to avoid this guy like the plague...
> 
> -- Andy
> 
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