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oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, February 10 1999    Volume 01 : Number 1764



Cool stuff on ebay
Re: modifying a dual snorkel
Re: Brothers Automotive/Never Again
Re: Cool stuff on ebay
!!! 1969 !!! HURST OLDS 455,AUTO #'S MATCH,
Re: nitros
Re: Zigs
Re: Cool stuff on ebay/Dual Gate Question
Chevrolet 350
RE: speaking of dual snorkel
Re: LISTEN TO THIS C...
Olds Stereo Setup
Re: speaking of dual snorkel
Re: Olds Stereo Setup
Re: Flowmaster Mufflers
TEST
Re: Olds Stereo Setup
Re: Olds Stereo Setup
Re: Zigs
RE: Zigs
Car Ads For Sale
Thanks to everyone! Now, one more q..
Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
Re: hagerty insurance
Re: Olds Stereo Setup
RE: Big Cars
Live Free or Die
Re: Vendors
Re: Cool stuff on ebay
Re: fender-top lights
Re: Dual Gate shifter.
Re: ADMIN: + cool NOS stuff I received
RE: Big Cars
Re: hagerty insurance
Non olds: what the heck is E-bay?
Re: speaking of dual snorkel
Re: Non olds: what the heck is E-bay?
Re: Non olds: what the heck is E-bay?
Re: Non olds: what the heck is E-bay?
RE: speaking of dual snorkel
Re: Headlight Surgery - Temp Gone
Rocket 350
Re: Bushings: Rubber or Poly-graphite?
Re: Inter State Emission testing?(long)
Re: LISTEN TO THIS C...
Re: Rocket 350
75 H/O T-Top Gaskets
Re: Rocket 350 
Looking for a '69 Hurst Olds Poster
Re: parts for sale
RE: Headlight Surgery - Temp Gone
Re: Drag Racing expertise needed
Re: Non olds: what the heck is E-bay?
Re: Dual Gate shifter.

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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:09:53 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Cool stuff on ebay

Do you remember the cool Dr Olds add that popped up a couple of weeks 
ago.  The 1970 one with Dr. Olds and his boys.  This add is on ebay for 
$5.  A 1972 Dealer brochure is one there as well.  Some dude is trying 
to sell what he calls rare C casting heads from a 442 for $499.  Are 
they that rare?.  

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:56:28 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: modifying a dual snorkel

Bill Reilly wrote:

> I am using the HEI distributer with the 455, and this air cleaner does not
> clear the HEI.

Is there some reason why you can't install a spacer between the carb and the 
air
cleaner to get it to clear the HEI?  That is certainly one of the options
mentioned in the FAQ for clearing HEI and others on the list have suggested 
that
as well, in the past. Of course, that was in the context of a single snorkel
cleaner, but I don't know what difference that makes.  You said you were gonna
rig up some sort of homemade OAI setup, anyway.  So, since this whole thing is 
a
fab deal, that seems the easiest way to take care of the HEI clearance issue.
Just fabricate the rest to take into account the elevated air cleaner.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 22:15:26 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brothers Automotive/Never Again

That's why I buy all my resto parts from Year One.  I have orders 
Cutlass, Camaro and Firebird parts from them and NEVER had a Problem.





  Price is not the
>ONLY factor when I buy parts.  If I get good or great service, whether
>real or percieved, I will spend the extra buck knowing that I'm pretty
>sure I will continue to get good service.  THAT'S what brings customers
>back.


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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:18:11 -0500
From: "C Thomas" <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: Re: Cool stuff on ebay

There is also A  HIS and HERS DUAL GATE SHIFTER on there!!
I saw that someone on the list earlier wanted this.
- -----Original Message-----
From: jason shreve <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 1:10 AM
Subject: Cool stuff on ebay


>
>Do you remember the cool Dr Olds add that popped up a couple of weeks 
>ago.  The 1970 one with Dr. Olds and his boys.  This add is on ebay for 
>$5.  A 1972 Dealer brochure is one there as well.  Some dude is trying 
>to sell what he calls rare C casting heads from a 442 for $499.  Are 
>they that rare?.  
>
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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 23:23:36 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: !!! 1969 !!! HURST OLDS 455,AUTO #'S MATCH,

Here's one to drool over?  Has pics but I couldn't get them to load yet.



>
>Title of item:	!!! 1969 !!! HURST OLDS 455,AUTO #'S MATCH,
>Seller:	mfanto@aol.com
>Starts:	02/09/99 13:22:21 PST 
>Ends:	02/16/99 13:22:21 PST 
>Price:	Starts at $18000.00
>To bid the item, go to:	
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=65450762
>
>
>Item Description:		
>	VERY RARE,MINT CONDITION,MATCHING #S,1969 HURST OLDS,AUTO,1 OF ONLY 
945 MADE,2-PA OWNERS,THIS CAR IS ABSOLUTELY GORGEOUS,AND EXTREMELY 
FAST,THIS CAR IN THIS CONDITION IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND,WE WILL 
TRADE AND ARRANGE FINANCINGTO QUALIFIED BUYERS,THIS CAR HAS BEEN IN 
STORAGE,FOR LAST 10 YEARS,IF YOU LONG FOR A CLASSIC MUSCLE CAR IN 
PREMIUM CONDITIONTHIS IS THE ONE,BID NOW,DON'T PASS THIS ONE UP
>
>	Visit eBay, the world's largest Personal Trading Community at 
http://www.ebay.com


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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:24:58 EST
From: Stakin@aol.com
Subject: Re: nitros

Butch,
       FWIW Ive tried up to 175 nos on my 455 without any problems. I only
used it in 3 rd and 4th as traction was hard enough to find with-out squeeze.
:-)  Anyway when I built my motor I did deck the block and the heads , and
used new bolts , and victor nitroseal head gaskets. After 2 years of
braket/street racin I never had a failure .  Ive since sold the car and havent
seen it since :-( so I dont know how its held together.  Fret not Im in the
process of building a new goat buster  ( 68 post btw ) This motor will be
getting the same treatment with the addition of  head studs.  

Joe

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:41:31 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Zigs

I'm from the area and it is GONE for GOOD!! The reason it closed down is
that across the street they just built a Portillo's Hot Dogs and that donut
place that has those AWESOME glazed donuts that are the best. Anyway,
Beefy's, who is down the street, squeezed them out also. Too much
competition for a small old car hop place. Duke's, who is down a couple of
miles, is dead also. 

I strongly believe the "sound-system" cars and the Mustang/low-rider crowd
killed Duke's. That is why I stand behind the motto that no low-rider,
sound-system, rice-rockets, new Mustang's (as the owners of these cars are
usually immature teen punks)should be allowed in an older rod/muscle-car
show. If they show up, the muscle car owners get pi$$ed off with their
behavior and cars and then leave. I seen this happen numerous times. 

The only place left to go is Frosted Mug (Alsip). WHERE THEY DO NOT ALLOW
ANY 80's ABOVE VEHICLE ON THE LOT. Either that or maybe Portillo's (which
has a HUGE parking lot) will host car events on Friday nights. Or just go
to Downers Grove...
Pettrix@prodigy.net


- ----------
> From: Steven Saraceno <steven@purplemonkey.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Zigs
> Date: Tuesday, February 09, 1999 11:56 PM
> 
> Just drove down south Harlem Avenue in Chicago, "Zigs" the local
> drive-in for muscle cars was demolished, anyone from here know if it is
> being rebuilt or gone forever.  Where do I go now?
> 
> Steven
> 70 W-30 convertible

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:26:30 -0500
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Cool stuff on ebay/Dual Gate Question

>There is also A  HIS and HERS DUAL GATE SHIFTER on there!!


There's 2 of them. One is from a '68 GTO and the other looks like a generic
bolt on. My question is this. Are the shifter mechanisms and mounting the
same? Could you buy the GTO one and just switch it into an Olds console?
Same thing with the generic looking one?

Curious,
Randy

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 00:30:59 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Chevrolet 350

I have a simple question.  WHY IS bow-tie SB 350 so popular.  I understand
now because parts are way cheaper then anything else and it provides good
cubic-inches.  But why did it become so popular.  I know that there was lots
of Chevys around, but there was also tons of Olds, Ford and even Mopar.  I
wish that Olds was that popular.  It would make our lives (and pocket books)
a lot easier to live with. Igor.

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:47:18 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: speaking of dual snorkel

	I fabricated Quincy's from Galvanized Steel. 16" sq. x 3" H. with a 
14" x
3" air filter. Dual side inlets at 3" each feed the monsters mouth all the
fresh air he needs. Drop over to the project site and hit the "Ram Air
Effects" page from the directory on the left. There's a couple other views
on the "Gallery" page too. Actually Quincy's prototype air cleaner collector
box took only about an hour + half to cut, fabricate, assemble & rivet.
Maybe $15. worth of material. I'm playing with some sheet aluminum now for
the next incarnation.

	BTW, Anyone with a good hand in art feel like sketching out a project 
air
cleaner decal?     G.....

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com


> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Mike Bloomer
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 12:05 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: speaking of dual snorkel
>
>
>
>
> Personally, I would just fabricate my own as the cheapest method.
>  The only
> advantage to using a stock one is if you use the flapper valves
> for warm up.
> All you would have to do is take a single snorkel one, cut off
> the snorkel,
> and make your snorkels (does anybody else think that work is absurd?)
> from 1/16" or 1/32" sheet steel and your in business.  Plus they would
> flow better since you could make them huge.  As for something you could
> find easily, check out the mustang/t-birds/cougars that were carb'd.  The
> HO versions all had dual snorkels, I believe.  Didn't the monte carlo ss'
> have em too?

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 01:50:45 -0600
From: Joe Novak <cujmn4@pen.eiu.edu>
Subject: Re: LISTEN TO THIS C...

"Damn tree huggin' hippies!!!" - Eric Cartman

If they're that worried about the environment why don't they worry about all of
those old nissan and honda pick-ups that all seem to have severe rust problems.
In my old neighborhood in Chicago we had junk guys drive down the alleys 
looking
for old TVs and stuff.  Their 1970 pick-ups have rusted out beds tilted at 45
degrees from the frame and put out more smoke than a pile of burning tires.
These jerks have no clue what they're talking about.  They don't worry about 
the
junk guy and think jap cars don't pollute.  Just those of us that drive so
called "boats" that are running as clean as they were when they were new.
Hopefully they do drive GEOs and we'll see who survives when they drive into my
Cutlass.  Sorry, these jerks really p!$$ me off.

Joe Novak
1987 Olds Cutlass Salon
www.pen.eiu.edu/~cujmn4

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 02:21:07 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Olds Stereo Setup

In my 72 442 convertible I installed the following:
Custom Autosound Radio (USA -01)
 Jenson XA1120 Amp 110W x 2
 Pyramid EQ/Booster 
 2 Kenwood 6x9 rear speakers(factory location)
 2 - 5" Kenwood Speakers
 1 Kenwood front dash speaker(factory location)

My questions are as follows:

1> Is the Jenson amp a good amp? 
2> Will putting the back seat in act as a box for the rear 6x9's? (as now
the interior is out)
3> Will a small (9 1/2W x 2 3/16 H x 8L) amp fit under the pass-side seat?
(as the seat is in different location)
4> I ran the amp for the rear 2 6x9's only and the EQ/Booster for the front
a 2 side speakers. The sound is good and loud but the rear 6x9's seem to be
lacking bass. (NOTE: It's not for rap/mix music, it's for Rock N Roll) Will
the back seat add more bass as it forms a type of sealed enclosure?

E-Mail me privately if this material is not seen as "Olds" related. But in
fact it is Olds related as I want to hear from others who have tried and
tested sound quality in that type of year/make of Olds.

Thanks
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:13:13 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: speaking of dual snorkel

In a message dated 2/9/99 9:27:18 PM Pacific Standard Time,
olds442@primenet.com writes:

<< Does anybody have a line on a dual snorkle that would be easily and cheaply
I
 might ad, for the olds? At this juncture, any make of dual snorkle as long as
it
 fits under the hood, sucks up the air, and cleans it too would be great. Like
 the beginer of this thread I too am looking at a home made OAI system, but my
 car being a 68 442, i have to go under the hood. Later I'll put scoops on and
 with my 4l80E w/ gearvendors (dreaming now!) and 3.73... we're flying... (End
of
 dreams due to money problems...)
 
 Ben >>

      Ben, if you are talking easy and cheap to MAKE, go get one air cleaner
that has the right base (4 bbl or 2bbl carb) and get another 2 barrel carb one
(preferably already damaged so it will be cheaper), then drill out the spot
welds on the 2 barrel snorkel, locate it on the one you are making into dual
snorkel, cut the hole, then spot weld or pop rivet the second snorkel to the
air cleaner. If running Thermac, you can run both of the Thermac valves the
same as running one. 
	The G-body Olds air cleaners seem to be the most common in wrecking 
yards,
and look the best IMO due to the oval air intakes...can even run the air
induction stuff up to the core support if you get a little creative. I don't
know about the hood clearance on your car, but I would think you would have
plenty no matter what GM CAR air cleaner you 
use. 																
Dorian

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 04:39:00 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@rbnet.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Stereo Setup

Peter Landowski wrote:

> 2> Will putting the back seat in act as a box for the rear 6x9's? (as now
> the interior is out)

It will act as a box in that it will isolate the fronts of the speakers
from the backs.  Installing the seat should give you some improvement.  

 3> Will a small (9 1/2W x 2 3/16 H x 8L) amp fit under the pass-side
seat?

It'd fit if the seat isn't worn out.  If the springs are dead in the
seat there may not be enough room between the seat and floor when
someone's sitting in it.  (I doubt I could fit an amp under my worn-out
seat, it really sags when someone sits in it.)  It might not be the best
location since it could easily end up wet from a leaky window or
windshield.  There might be enough room for an amp under the glovebox
somewhere.

> 4> I ran the amp for the rear 2 6x9's only and the EQ/Booster for the front
> a 2 side speakers. The sound is good and loud but the rear 6x9's seem to be
> lacking bass. (NOTE: It's not for rap/mix music, it's for Rock N Roll) Will
> the back seat add more bass as it forms a type of sealed enclosure?

Right now you have basically the worst setup possible, the speakers are
effectively just sitting there.  If I remember correctly, a speaker with
both sides of the cone exposed will cancel out most of it's own bass. 
Each side of the cone is generating a soundwave that is opposite to the
other, and they smother each other.  When the seat goes back in the
passenger compartment will be fairly well isolated from the backside
(er, underside maybe?) of the speakers and the bass response will
improve.    

> E-Mail me privately if this material is not seen as "Olds" related. But in
> fact it is Olds related as I want to hear from others who have tried and
> tested sound quality in that type of year/make of Olds.

(This tip probably doesn't do you any good now but it might be handy for
future reference.)

Cheapest speaker enclosure in the world:  Ceramic flower pots.  Quick &
easy and well worth the $15 and 2 hours you spend on 'em.  I have 2 8"
woofers mounted in sealed, stuffed 10" flower pots in the luggage bin of
my Vista Cruiser.  They work great if you don't have the money for a
speaker box but need one.  

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:15:31 -0500
From: Andy Mikesell <andymikesell@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Flowmaster Mufflers

Chris - Why did you take off the Flowmasters?  Did you find the Dynomax
quieter?  Which Flowmaster was it - the 2 or 3 chamber?  Just curious since
I hate the 50 mph "drone" I get from my Turbo Flowmasters.
- - Andy

Chris & Robin Miller wrote:

> Hate to send this to all but here goes...
> I just removed my Flowmaster mufflers and replaced them with Dynomax
> mufflers and I had an individual that wants them but I seem to have lost
> his e-mail address.  If he's out there drop me a line and we can again
> discuss the price and shipping.  Thanks.
>
> --
> Chris Miller
> '68 442
> San Diego, CA
> mailto:cya442@san.rr.com

- --
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/andymikesell

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Date: Tue, 09 Feb 1999 15:19:06 -0400
From: Wade Hunt <wade.hunt@ns.sympatico.ca>
Subject: TEST

test

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:41:52 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Stereo Setup

>> 2> Will putting the back seat in act as a box for the rear 6x9's? (as now
>> the interior is out)
>
>It will act as a box in that it will isolate the fronts of the speakers
>from the backs.  Installing the seat should give you some improvement.
>
To give you the best response from the speakers install Dynamat or
equivalent on top of the package tray and behind the seat to act as
a sound barrier.  Makes a big difference over having just the seat in it
but at a minimum use the factory insulation behind the seat back.

>> 4> I ran the amp for the rear 2 6x9's only and the EQ/Booster for the
front
>> a 2 side speakers. The sound is good and loud but the rear 6x9's seem to
be
>> lacking bass. (NOTE: It's not for rap/mix music, it's for Rock N Roll)
Will
>> the back seat add more bass as it forms a type of sealed enclosure?
>
>Right now you have basically the worst setup possible, the speakers are
>effectively just sitting there.  If I remember correctly, a speaker with
>both sides of the cone exposed will cancel out most of it's own bass.
>Each side of the cone is generating a soundwave that is opposite to the
>other, and they smother each other.  When the seat goes back in the
>passenger compartment will be fairly well isolated from the backside
>(er, underside maybe?) of the speakers and the bass response will
>improve.
>
Another thing is that the package tray isn't very suitable to mount
speakers to by itself.  I cut out a set of plates from 3/4" plywood
to sandwich between the speaker and package tray which stiffened
everything up considerably on my '72 S.  Keep in mind that with a
huge trunk like a Cutlass/442 has that your going to have to push
a lot of power to overcome the box size/interior volume.  My system
didn't seem that loud (you could see the quarters move with the
music at full volume) but when I installed the system in my 89 lebaron
in the same speaker locations, it would make the wipers jump off
the windshield at full blast.  Mostly a function of interior volume and
box size.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:22:00 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Stereo Setup

The solution to the huge trunk problem is to enclose the speakers. J.C.
Whitney has baffles that enclose the back of the speakers inside the trunk,
greatly increasing sound quality. Bass response is fantastic with these
enclosures. As a Bass guitar player I'll tell you, enclosed is better unless
you are using big 15" woofers. That's a whole other story.

- -----Original Message-----
>
>>> 2> Will putting the back seat in act as a box for the rear 6x9's? (as
now
>>> the interior is out)
>>
>>It will act as a box in that it will isolate the fronts of the speakers
>>from the backs.  Installing the seat should give you some improvement.
>>
>To give you the best response from the speakers install Dynamat or
>equivalent on top of the package tray and behind the seat to act as
>a sound barrier.  Makes a big difference over having just the seat in it
>but at a minimum use the factory insulation behind the seat back.
>
>>> 4> I ran the amp for the rear 2 6x9's only and the EQ/Booster for the
>front
>>> a 2 side speakers. The sound is good and loud but the rear 6x9's seem to
>be
>>> lacking bass. (NOTE: It's not for rap/mix music, it's for Rock N Roll)
>Will
>>> the back seat add more bass as it forms a type of sealed enclosure?
>>
>>Right now you have basically the worst setup possible, the speakers are
>>effectively just sitting there.  If I remember correctly, a speaker with
>>both sides of the cone exposed will cancel out most of it's own bass.
>>Each side of the cone is generating a soundwave that is opposite to the
>>other, and they smother each other.  When the seat goes back in the
>>passenger compartment will be fairly well isolated from the backside
>>(er, underside maybe?) of the speakers and the bass response will
>>improve.
>>
>Another thing is that the package tray isn't very suitable to mount
>speakers to by itself.  I cut out a set of plates from 3/4" plywood
>to sandwich between the speaker and package tray which stiffened
>everything up considerably on my '72 S.  Keep in mind that with a
>huge trunk like a Cutlass/442 has that your going to have to push
>a lot of power to overcome the box size/interior volume.  My system
>didn't seem that loud (you could see the quarters move with the
>music at full volume) but when I installed the system in my 89 lebaron
>in the same speaker locations, it would make the wipers jump off
>the windshield at full blast.  Mostly a function of interior volume and
>box size.
>
>Mike Bloomer
>mbloomer@mindspring.com
>ICQ# 19113713
>http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:34:44 -0500
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: Zigs

Please a moment of silence for Dukes (sob)

That's the place I was referring to Steven.

What a waste.....

Mark Hahn

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:58:58 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Zigs

> The only place left to go is Frosted Mug (Alsip). WHERE THEY DO NOT ALLOW
> ANY 80's ABOVE VEHICLE ON THE LOT. Either that or maybe Portillo's (which
> has a HUGE parking lot) will host car events on Friday nights. Or just go
> to Downers Grove...
> Pettrix@prodigy.net
> 
> 
Ditto the Downers Grove.  It's on Main street.  I've heard MANY things about
this, including from my mom who works in Downers.  I grew up in this area,
but for some strange reason I have yet to make it to see the cars in
Downers.  This year it WILL happen, and possibly in the W-31.
I'll have to check out the Frosted Mug too.  What would be too cool is on my
way up north to Chicago, stop by the Blue Top Drive Inn on Rte 41 in
northern IN, where every fri night the lot is PACKED with vintage iron.
I've meet a guy who's got a 69 H/O who frequents the Blue Top.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:25:34 +0000
From: Edward J Hufnagel <ejhufnagel1@juno.com>
Subject: Car Ads For Sale

I have a bunch of full page Olds ads from Nat'l Geographic.  The pages
have staple holes near the spine and some have slight rust from these
staples. They are;

1976  98 Regency
1977  98 Regency
1977  Delta 88 Royale Town Sedan
1977  Custom Cruiser
1978  Cutlass Supreme Brougham
1979  Delta 88 Royale
1979  Custom Cruiser
1979  Cutlass Salon
1980  Cutlass Supreme Brougham 4 dr.
1980  98 Regency
1980  Cutlass Supreme
1981  Cutlass Supreme Brougham Diesel  
1981  98 Regency

Also have an ALCOA ALUMINUM ad showing the benefits of aluminum street
poles with a '66 Delta or Dynamic being used as the test vehicle.

Also have an 1973 AIRSTREAM travel trailer ad showing trailer being towed
by what I believe is a '69 Olds Vista Cruiser

Also have some M*nte and R*gal ads from similar years

If interested E-mail private at EJHufnagel1@juno.com

Regards,
                Ed

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:14:20 -0600
From: "Norm Muelleman" <norm806@dialnet.net>
Subject: Thanks to everyone! Now, one more q..

Thanks to everyone who provided me with engine info! I've got the engine
re-assembled, repainted, and it looks great! Now...one minor problem...

Yes, I'm a dork, and forgot to take pics/write down how the brackets for the
alternator and P/S pump go. I know it's an IQ test, but I'm flunking it
really badly..probably because it was 2 in the morning when I gave up!

I've got the bracket for the alternator, that's curved and attaches the top
of the alternator. Then there is another aluminium bracket, that I think has
something to do with the alternator and p/s pump. Can anyone either take a
pic of theirs ASAP, or try and explain it to me?

Norm (It's getting closer..the car will soon run!) Muelleman
ICQ: 3156478
norm806@dialnet.net

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:22:25 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???

You could get the T/A pontiac 400 with an automatic or 4 speed in the late
77 and 78. From what I remember reading is that the 403 olds was installed
in the california T/As (automatic only) because the 400 pontiac didn't meet
their emission requirements.

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455



At 02:50 PM 2/9/99 PST, you wrote:
>I know t/a's with the 400 are 4-speeds, but wasn't the bandit Auto?  My 
>memory fails me.
>
>>
>>
>>I don't recall the 455 Olds, but some of the cars did have the 400 Pony 
>in
>>it....  they were 4-speed cars.  
>>
>>Bill K
>>
>
>
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:22:40 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: hagerty insurance

I got a quote from them for my Cutlass. I figured a base value of
about 4,000 right now because of my accident. I told them that it is
garage kept in a garage that is included in with my apartment rent. I
told them that besides the accident (which wasn't my fault) I have a
exibition on my driving record and that's it. They quoted me a price
of 108 a year. I asked them about milage and he said they don't have a
limitiation, but he didn't like it when I asked him if I could use it
as a daily driver in the summer time. He also said that they aren't
worried about the miles just as long as the car isn't being used to
tow anything or used in a commercial type of an application.

Del




- ---Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:
>
> i just got off the phone with one of their rep's.  they quoted me at
$89. per
> year.  i told them i use my car to drive to and from school.  i also
explained
> that i work on my car every day in school.  i told them i keep it in
a carport
> which i don't have.  i guess they bought everything.  the guy told
me my car
> was worth $7000 in fair condition.
> 
> mikeytvb@aol.com
> 70 442 hc
> 

==
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1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 08:32:18 -0600
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Olds Stereo Setup

>1> Is the Jenson amp a good amp?

I hate to tell you this, but Jenson is on the very low side for amplifiers,
but then again, I spent $1800 on my stereo.  It will work fine though.  I'm
concered about the boosted EQ.  Your stereo will might sound better without
it, they really distort the sound.  My best suggestion would be to ditch the
autosound headunit (how much was it?) and buy a decent Kenwood tape or cd
unit that has enough power to play the front speakers without the EQ.  I'm
assuming you are not using the original opening in the dash, correct?
Kenwood makes a two knob cassette for $100 in crutchfield.  Their better
tape player, the KRC-S305 has 22watts RMS per channel and 40 watts per
channel max.   (always go by RMS power, not peak).  It costs $160, has
serious power and a removable face).  $20 more gets you a second set of RCA
pre-outs for adding amps later and multicolor display.  For $200, you can
get a that in a CD player.

>2> Will putting the back seat in act as a box for the rear 6x9's? (as now
>the interior is out)

Oh yes!  My 6x9's (pioneer) sound great in the rear even though they fire
towards the rear.  Can't hear them with the top down though.  Speakers sound
like crap if the rears of the cones aren't separated from the fronts.

>3> Will a small (9 1/2W x 2 3/16 H x 8L) amp fit under the pass-side seat?
>(as the seat is in different location)

I ran a huge old kenwood under the pass seat for awhile.   Worked fine.  I
used nylon zip-ties on all four corners of the amp and tied them to the seat
legs.  Very secure and beats drilling holes into your floor.  Like I said
though, if you get a higher power headunit, you can avoid having all these
low budget amplifiers.  If the headunit doesn't power the speakers to your
liking, get a four channel Kenwood amp in something like a 35x4.  I'm only
suggesting Kenwood because it matches the speakers you already have and they
make decent stuff for the money.
>
>Thanks
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
If you have any other questions, just email me
greg
zimmermangm@msn.com

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:46:22 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Big Cars

> >What was the biggest car produced?  
> 
Surprised nobody mentioned this before, but do Limos count?  I'm willing to
bet they are longer than everything that's been mentioned.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://ww.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:51:02 -0500
From: "Pop Account" <James.E.Brady.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Live Free or Die

New Hampshire has the motto right on thier license plates - "Live Free or
Die."  Hey, some of us still believe in our Country the U.S.A.  You're
right, can't believe they haven't outlawed it.  Olds content - two items for
sale.
        1.  455 Qjet(4-barrel) intake.  Best offer.

        2.  1987 Olds Cutlass Supreme Brougham   167,000mi. 307 w/automatic
fully loaded.   $3000 or best offer

Jim Brady
'73 Olds Delta 88 Royale Convertible
>
>In a message dated 2/6/1999 3:32:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>lbiggs@intertek.net writes:
>
><< Which State has on the license plates, "LIVE FREE OR DIE", must not be
> Arizona. >>
>
>
>It's just a saying.... they don't really care anymore.   In fact, I can't
>imagine they haven't outlawed the saying since it conjures images of
>patriotism and such... these are subversive and dangerous ideas today.
>
>Bill K
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:35:22 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Vendors

I have to second Peter's comments on vendors in general and Brothers in
particular.  I recently recounted my experience with them, but I feel I
should repeat it here.

I purchased an upholstery kit for my 70 from Brothers over ten years ago,
back when I lived in SoCal.  In the process of attempting to install one of
the seatback covers, I screwed up and tore the new cover at a seam.
Disgusted with myself, I put the covers back in the box and stashed it
away.

Fast forward to 1998, two marriages, a move to VA, and a new job later, and
I decide that I finally have time to get working on my 70 again.  The
damaged upholstery kit has been sitting in the basement for over a decade,
so I decide to contact Brothers to see if I could buy just the seatback
cover for one bucket to replace the damaged part.  I spoke to Steve Kinney
and explained that the damage was entirely my fault and that I expected to
pay for a new item.  Imagine my surprise when he said that I should send
him the old cover and that he would attempt to repair it for free.

Now, I will admit that it took well over four months for the cover to be
returned, with no calls or messages from Brothers to update me, but when it
did show it, it was a brand new cover!

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:53:03 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cool stuff on ebay

In a message dated 99-02-10 01:10:49 EST, you write:

<< Some dude is trying  to sell what he calls rare C casting heads from a 442
for $499.  Are they that rare?.   >>


Mebbe if they were ported by someone GOOD and magna-fluxed.

Can get "C" heads from a yarde for $150.

BTW the desireable "C" heads have big valves, no way to verify by email.

Now if they were "H" heads.......

SOM

&KA

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:54:29 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: fender-top lights

> This weekend while in the junkyards I finally figured out how those
> fender top lights work.

Well, they're not really lights but fiber-optics, right? They use the
headlamp lights for illumination, plugging into the back of the 
headlamp socket.

> Also, would a crack in these wires' insulation diminish the 
> brightness of the lights? 

Not unless the optic is broken through. It's more important to make
sure that the ends are clean (especially up at the headlamp end) and
straight, as close to the headlamp as it will go.

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:53:53 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Dual Gate shifter.

Please help a rookie.  What is a "dual gate" shifter?  What is a "his &
hers"?
I keep hearing these terms... 'decided it was time to understand what they
mean.
_______

Dual gate is the Hurst term for an automatic trans shifter which has a pair
of parallel tracks or "gates".  The gate closest to the driver allows the
stick to move in the normal P-R-N-D-S-L motion.  The right side gate
actually only covers the gears N-D-S-L.  This right side gate, which is
accessed by putting the stick in neutral and pushing it towards the right,
contains a mechanism to allow rapid upshifting of the trans during racing
while preventing the selection of the wrong gear.  Starting with the stick
in first (L) in the right side gate, you can push the stick as hard and as
fast as you want (pressing slightly to the right while slamming forward)
and the mechanism will stop the shifter in second (S).  You can then repeat
this process to go from second to third (D).  In addition, since the right
side gate stops at N, you cannot accidentally hit reverse (which could have
disasterous consequences at the big end of the drag strip).

The term "his and hers" comes from the politically incorrect 60s, where the
original Hurst aftermarket dual gate actually came with a lock and key to
prevent the use of the right hand racing gate of the shifter.  Presumably
"he" kept the key to prevent "her" from racing the car when she took it.
Hurst actually ran ads to this effect - one shudders to think of the
reaction to such an ad today.

It is amusing to an old hot rodder like myself (and the owner of a dual
gate-equipped H/O) to watch the reaction in the automotive press to the
numerous "autostick" and "tiptronic" transmissions now on the market.
Porsche was practically given credit for inventing the idea a couple of
years ago, despite the fact that the dual gate was on the market in the
early 60s.  Even the 1970s vintage Jaguars had a similar type of shifter,
though theirs was a J-gate, where you had to take the shifter all the way
into first to get to the other gate.  (Coincidentally, the V-12 Jags also
were TH400-equipped).

=============

There's 2 of them. One is from a '68 GTO and the other looks like a generic
bolt on. My question is this. Are the shifter mechanisms and mounting the
same? Could you buy the GTO one and just switch it into an Olds console?
Same thing with the generic looking one?
_______

Both Olds and Pontiac offered factory installed dual-gates in the late
60s-early 70s.  The mechanisms are the same, but the sticks are different.
The Olds stick has a bend in the middle, while the Poncho stick is
straight.  I'm not sure if the mounting brackets are the same, however.  I
have a couple of Poncho units at home; I'll try to compare them with the
Olds unit tonight.

I also believe that the mechanism is the same in the aftermarket dual gate.
Again, I'm not sure about the brackets, however.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:00:38 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: ADMIN: + cool NOS stuff I received

"Shocking" Mike Rothe wrote:

=============

...Big D front shocks, (they're red) and I have no idea
what the big D signifies...
_________

"Delco".  This was a Delco brand shock.

=============

I got a HUGE pair of rear shocks for I THINK a GMC/Chevy pickup too.
Called "Pleasurizers"...
__________

Another Delco brand name, from the 70s and 80s.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:57:07 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: RE: Big Cars

> >What was the biggest car produced?
>
Surprised nobody mentioned this before, but do Limos count?  I'm willing to
bet they are longer than everything that's been mentioned.
_______

I assume we're talking about factory-built cars.  Every limo I've ever seen
is custom-made.  In fact, a recent Car and Driver article on one of the
limo manufacturers also talked about a slightly stretched Fleetwood that
they were producing for Caddy dealers so that they could claim that the
Fleetwood was longer than the Town Car!  Apparently size does matter, at
least to the geriatric crowd.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 07:26:34 PST
From: "Robert Lavey" <rjlavey@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: hagerty insurance

>Date:	Wed, 10 Feb 1999 06:22:40 -0800 (PST)
>From:	Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: hagerty insurance
>To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>

<snip>

>I asked them about milage and he said they don't have a
>limitiation, but he didn't like it when I asked him if I could use it
>as a daily driver in the summer time. He also said that they aren't
>worried about the miles just as long as the car isn't being used to
>tow anything or used in a commercial type of an application.

I got the same song-and-dance from them the first time I called.  I was 
trying to insure a '68 442 Convertible (appraised at $8000) and a '69 
Cheve**e SS (appraised at $10000), and he quoted very good rates.  I 
explained that I drove both cars daily between March and October: the 
convertible when it was sunny and the Cheve**e when it was rainy.  "No 
problem," I was told.

When I called back a month later to ask a few final questions before 
sending a check, they said the _would_not_ insure a daily-driven car.  I 
decided that it was not worth the possible hassle if I ever did have a 
claim.  I am using State Farm, and have stated value policies for the 
appraisal amounts on both cars.  I think it's about $500 a year for 
100/300 comp/collision/liability.

YMMV

Bob
>
>Del
>
>
>
>
>---Mikeytvb@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> i just got off the phone with one of their rep's.  they quoted me at
>$89. per
>> year.  i told them i use my car to drive to and from school.  i also
>explained
>> that i work on my car every day in school.  i told them i keep it in
>a carport
>> which i don't have.  i guess they bought everything.  the guy told
>me my car
>> was worth $7000 in fair condition.
>> 
>> mikeytvb@aol.com
>> 70 442 hc
>> 
>
>==
>Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
>rockman20@yahoo.com
>1986 Honda Accord DX
>1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
>1981 John Deer Snowmobile
>197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
>1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 09:26:41 -0600
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Non olds: what the heck is E-bay?

I feel like I'm missing something big here...

greg z

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:33:38 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: speaking of dual snorkel

Karl Sarpolis makes 68-69 dual snorkel air cleaners.   He is in IL.

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:05:54 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Non olds: what the heck is E-bay?

EBAY 

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:06:53 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Non olds: what the heck is E-bay?

EBAY is an aol auction site with tons of stuff you can bid on 

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:15:09 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Non olds: what the heck is E-bay?

I just checked out the "Rare" 442 OLDSMOBILE BIG BLOCK HEADS RARE 
Item #63784683 on ebay. ........I don't know....Let me ask you all...
Would you bid on a $500 set of heads from someone who's also selling a
Happy Hippo and a Black Leather Skirt??

Omega Man

'74 Omega S 455








At 11:05 AM 2/10/99 EST, you wrote:
>EBAY 
>
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:15:36 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: speaking of dual snorkel

> Karl Sarpolis makes 68-69 dual snorkel air cleaners.   He is in IL.
> 
Yes, most notably, he can convert your 68-69 single snorkel to a dual
snorkel.  He may do other years too, but that's the only ones that stick out
in my mind since I have a 69.  I believe Mark Cornea, or someone, may have
his number handy, as I don't.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:17:55 -0500 (EST)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: Re: Headlight Surgery - Temp Gone

I will be leaving the list for some time due to some surgery on me.
Best wishes to all, be kind to yourself and happy motoring

Thanks to all who have helped me in the past.. You are a great group!!!

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio 
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
  Mid Ohio Chapter #136
  Gem City Rockets  
  

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:30:33 -0800
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Rocket 350

   The situation is this:  I've got a complete 68 C/S four door hardtop I
bought on a lark last week.  The engine is a sweet running 310 HP Rocket
350.  I am not in the business of selling parts, so I don't have much of a
clue what any of the parts could be worth.  So, in comes this guy, and he
bellies up to me an' he sez, "Hey.  I'll give yez $500 for the engine".
Sounded good to me.  So I tell another guy.  He says that $500 is not
anywhere enough for a slick running complete engine.  I don't wish either of
us to get the short end of the stick here.  What do you guys think?  Bear in
mind that I have to pull the engine, and that it is complete from oil pan to
air cleaner.  On the by now customary tenterhooks, Peter.

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:18:59 -0500
From: toddmorr@us.ibm.com
Subject: Re: Bushings: Rubber or Poly-graphite?

> Most people complained that they were just too squeaky...some
>enough that they dread driving their car! Some had gone to the length of
>installing zerk(SP) fittings in the bushings that they could, so they
could
>periodically grease them. My friend has some on his '70 Mustang, and I can
>tell you that the car sounds horrible riding in it (the bushings too hehe)

I have PST poly on both front and rear.  I can tell you without a doubt it
will noticeably stiffen your ride quality--the whole car will feel much
much more rigid.  I have had the front on for 2 years now, the back for a
year, and I think I"m to the point where I'd rather have stock rubber
bushings.  Maybe I'm getting old.  On the other hand, the cornering
ability, even with 225/70/15 tires is very good.  As to the squeek, I
carefully used the silicon goo when I installed the bushings and there is
no squeek at all.

Todd Morris 71 442

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:54:11 -0500 (EST)
From: dsenko@UU.NET (Drew Senko)
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?(long)

> >> By then this will be Communist America and we will all
> >>get our monthly rashions from our govenment supporter and commute to our
>  [snip]
> >....And I thought I had a fatalist streak....Conjures up memories
> >of an old movie I saw a long time ago.  Seems to me the story
> >line was something like the above and had a kid and his dad.
> >Ole dad had a car stashed away in the rafters or something
> >and him and the kid drove cross country in it.  Think it was some
> >kind of open wheel race car.  Anybody remember this movie?
> >Think it came out in the 70's gas crunch era.
> 
> You're not talking about the movie with Lee Majors driving a Porshe 917
> after personal transportation is outlawed, by siphoning gas from the bottom
> of abandoned gasoline tanks at the shut-down service stations? 
> 
> Final line of the movie (after Majors makes it to "Free California" [yeah,
> _that'd_ be the one state free from government control...], and the
> "authorities" realize they've lost): "This will set us all the way back to
> the 80's..."
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
> http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels


That's the one... it's called "The Last Chase" and it came out in 1981.
As I remember, Burgess Meredith is an ex-pilot that is given a plane
to track down and stop Lee Majors.  Burgie is just happy to be flying and
toying with the car and he's not really following his orders.

Here's a summary of the movie from E Online:

Car racing action set in the
near future. When a famous race
car driver raises his voice in
dissent, the establishment
decides that he is too
dangerous to them to live, and
a thrilling chase scene ensues.

More info at:  http://eonline.com/Facts/Movies/0,60,9720,00.html

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 10:13:41 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: LISTEN TO THIS C...

Your right, it is crap.  I just doubt that you will have any luck perusing this
with the U since most academics are a bunch of "Tree hugging hippies".  

As far as not tagging the foreign cars you have to realize that many H, I, T,
N-word owners really believe that their cars don't pollute, never need repairs,
and are blessed by the gods.  As I've noted before, a $400 "tune-up" is not
that uncommon for these cars but the owners don't consider it a repair - just a
tune up.  And that blue stuff they spew when they get older is a "feature".

Olds content, I would like to have my 455 tested for emissions some day but I
doubt that they would have hoses big enough to go over the trumpets.  I was
talking about cars yesterday with a lady who was all happy that he H-word had
150k miles and needed $600 worth of repairs but never needed any before now
(other than the $150 tune ups).  It shut her up when I told her that our '70
had 365k miles (580,000 kms), we put a new motor in every 175k miles, a new
tranny in every 200k miles, and it gets 26 mpg highway with 2 bikes on the roof
and more camping supplies then would fit in 2 H's.

"Igor T. '81 DRB 455" wrote:
> 
> <misguided attempt by people to reduce pollution>

And for the record we put most of our miles on a Saturn that gets 42 mpg.
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:20:02 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rocket 350

I got a 310hp 330 that runs great for 300, 500 seems too much

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 12:17:15 -0500
From: Marc Leizza <mleizza@solidworks.com>
Subject: 75 H/O T-Top Gaskets

Hello everyone,
Does anybody know where I could get the T-Top Gaskets for my 75 H/O????
And while I'm at it, how bout a H/O digital Tach and also the H/O T-Top
carrying cases???

Any Help would be extremely appreciated

Thanks, 
Marco

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:20:12 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Rocket 350 

Peter, 

Any info how many miles the beast has on it? Is it rebuilt recently or 
has it low original miles? I have been sitting in front of the screen a 
little too long today: What was a C/S again?

Let me put it that way: If it is rebuilt recently and whoever did it, did 
a good job with good parts and proof of work, 500 is not enough. (Just 
rebuilt my 350 and with getting friend-prices at the machine shop and a 
stock setup I put close to 1000 bucks in the engine.)

If you don't have any documentation on the engine except performance, 500 
is an okay price in my op. because then there is a risk coming with the 
machine and that lowers the price somewhat. Pulling it is no big deal, but 
I would add another 100 bucks for about 4 hours of labor.

Tell us some more about the engine, I am sure the listers will narrow it 
down.

Regards, George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 10 Feb 1999, Peter Berusch wrote:

>    The situation is this:  I've got a complete 68 C/S four door hardtop I
> bought on a lark last week.  The engine is a sweet running 310 HP Rocket
> 350.  I am not in the business of selling parts, so I don't have much of a
> clue what any of the parts could be worth.  So, in comes this guy, and he
> bellies up to me an' he sez, "Hey.  I'll give yez $500 for the engine".
> Sounded good to me.  So I tell another guy.  He says that $500 is not
> anywhere enough for a slick running complete engine.  I don't wish either of
> us to get the short end of the stick here.  What do you guys think?  Bear in
> mind that I have to pull the engine, and that it is complete from oil pan to
> air cleaner.  On the by now customary tenterhooks, Peter.
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 11:54:47 -0600
From: Michelle Paulson <a0166312@rlemail.dseg.ti.com>
Subject: Looking for a '69 Hurst Olds Poster

Hi,

I am looking to find a full color poster of the '69 Hurst Olds.  I live
in the Dallas, TX, area.  Can you help me locate one?  I appreciate any
help.   Thanks.

Michelle Paulson
Please email me at:
mpaulson@cheerful.com
or
m-paulson@ti.com

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 21:22:16 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: parts for sale

What parts are you selling again?  Sorry I must have missed them the 
first time.

>Southeastern Kentucky
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>>             What part of the country are you lacated?


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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:43:40 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Headlight Surgery - Temp Gone

Al;
	Hope all goes well for you during your surgery. I, as well, Will be 
having
back surgery next Tuesday and sympathize. For me, this is my 39th procedure
since 79 when a Motorcycle accident trashed my lower body. I will remain on
the list for this period.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of The Viking
> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 11:18 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Headlight Surgery - Temp Gone
>
>
>
> I will be leaving the list for some time due to some surgery on me.
> Best wishes to all, be kind to yourself and happy motoring
>
> Thanks to all who have helped me in the past.. You are a great group!!!
>
> Al Varhus
> Columbus, Ohio
> http://www.infinet.com/~avar
> http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
> Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
>   Mid Ohio Chapter #136
>   Gem City Rockets
>
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:53:10 EST
From: EDZX6@aol.com
Subject: Re: Drag Racing expertise needed

I also have a 72 cutlass 350, posi 3:23's ,street dominator intake, holley
600cfm, basicaly the same setup as Randy except that I have an MSD 6AL and a
4spd tranny and my best ET is 14.79 at 94.63 MPH and I still think that the
car can do better once I improve my launches. I'm thinking of going to 3:73's

Eddie    72 Cutlass   conv / 4spd

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 14:03:35 -0500
From: "C Thomas" <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: Re: Non olds: what the heck is E-bay?

www.ebay.com  Check It out
and search for oldsmobile
- -----Original Message-----
From: Greg <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
To: Olds list <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, February 10, 1999 10:32 AM
Subject: Non olds: what the heck is E-bay?


>I feel like I'm missing something big here...
>
>greg z
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 10 Feb 1999 13:20:44 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Dual Gate shifter.

The question I have is that my Dualgate (72) when in dualgate mode does not
have the mechanism that would stop it from going into 2 gear or third gear.
You have to shift lightly so that you don't overshift into to send or
third. There is nothing stopping it from each shift. Am I missing a part???
You stated that you can opush the stick as hard and it while stop the
shifter.


Pettrix@prodigy.net


- ----------
>
> 
> Dual gate is the Hurst term for an automatic trans shifter which has a
pair
> of parallel tracks or "gates".  The gate closest to the driver allows the
> stick to move in the normal P-R-N-D-S-L motion.  The right side gate
> actually only covers the gears N-D-S-L.  This right side gate, which is
> accessed by putting the stick in neutral and pushing it towards the
right,
> contains a mechanism to allow rapid upshifting of the trans during racing
> while preventing the selection of the wrong gear.  Starting with the
stick
> in first (L) in the right side gate, you can push the stick as hard and
as
> fast as you want (pressing slightly to the right while slamming forward)
> and the mechanism will stop the shifter in second (S).  You can then
repeat
> this process to go from second to third (D).  In addition, since the
right
> side gate stops at N, you cannot accidentally hit reverse (which could
have
> disasterous consequences at the big end of the drag strip).
> 
> The term "his and hers" comes from the politically incorrect 60s, where
the
> original Hurst aftermarket dual gate actually came with a lock and key to
> prevent the use of the right hand racing gate of the shifter.  Presumably
> "he" kept the key to prevent "her" from racing the car when she took it.
> Hurst actually ran ads to this effect - one shudders to think of the
> reaction to such an ad today.
> 
> It is amusing to an old hot rodder like myself (and the owner of a dual
> gate-equipped H/O) to watch the reaction in the automotive press to the
> numerous "autostick" and "tiptronic" transmissions now on the market.
> Porsche was practically given credit for inventing the idea a couple of
> years ago, despite the fact that the dual gate was on the market in the
> early 60s.  Even the 1970s vintage Jaguars had a similar type of shifter,
> though theirs was a J-gate, where you had to take the shifter all the way
> into first to get to the other gate.  (Coincidentally, the V-12 Jags also
> were TH400-equipped).
> 
> =============
> 
> There's 2 of them. One is from a '68 GTO and the other looks like a
generic
> bolt on. My question is this. Are the shifter mechanisms and mounting the
> same? Could you buy the GTO one and just switch it into an Olds console?
> Same thing with the generic looking one?
> _______
> 
> > padavano.joe@orbital.com
> 
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30
> 

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