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oldsmobile-digest      Tuesday, January 12 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1715



Looking for a POSI
Re: Looking for a POSI
1970 Delta
Re: Desirable front end geometry (NOT!)
73 455
455 oops
Re: Desirable front end geometry (NOT!)
64 Cutlass 442 Sedans
Re: pageing  frank latorre / rallye 350 club
Re: pageing  frank latorre / rallye 350 club
Re: Hurst/Olds Screen Saver
Re: Hurst/Olds Screen Saver
Re: HEI adj. vac. advance kits: summit vs. crane
Detonation problem
Centerforce - clutches and flywheels
Batten Vs. Edelbrock
69 W-30 conv.
RE: 69 W-30 conv.
Rockets on the radio
RE: Batten Vs. Edelbrock
Re: the diff between stock 307/HO 307
Re: Rockets on the radio
Olds History Center
Imprortant Car Cover Question
Re: 69 W-30 conv.
Re: Rockets on the radio
Re: 69 W-30 conv. (disk vs drum brakes)
Re: 69 W-30 conv.
Re: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels
Re: Batten Vs. Edelbrock
Re: Imprortant Car Cover Question
RE: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels
Re: Imprortant Car Cover Question
455 Main bearing Clearance
Re: Propane Conversion(it's good)
'84 Cutlass
Re: Can something discharge a battery when switch is "off"?
Re: beater vs restored
Re: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels
RE: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels
RE: '94 Cutlass Timing Chain
Re: HEI adj. vac. advance kits: summit vs. crane
Re: '94 Cutlass Timing Chain
Re: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels
Re: Hurst/Olds Screen Saver
Re: Hurst/Olds Screen Saver
Re: Hurst/Olds Screen Saver
Coil Ground Answers!
Re: '94 Cutlass Timing Chain
Re: Hurst/Olds Screen Saver
Re: Hurst/Olds Screen Saver
Re: Batten Vs. Edelbrock
Blown 403
Re: Coil Ground Answers!
Re: 455 Main bearing Clearance
Re: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels
forged crank
Re: Blown 403
Stuff 4 sale

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:21:20 EST
From: MrExMt@aol.com
Subject: Looking for a POSI

Hi all,
I'm looking for a '68-70 10 bolt ring gear, 12 bolt cover posi carrier unit
with 2.93-3.23 gears for my '68 cutlass. Any help will be appreciated!  E-mail
me privately please.   Thank you
Leigh Tenenholtz

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:24:58 EST
From: MrExMt@aol.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a POSI

Sorry, forgot to include my e-mail address:
Leigh Tenenholtz-
mrexmt@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:51:04 -0500
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: 1970 Delta

Does anyone on here have a 1970 delta for sale? i know a freind who is
looking for one .... he inquired about buying my delta, but its not really
what hes after and id like to try and see if i can nail it! the car must be
running
/driving , minimal body damamge, some rust is ok but lets not go overboard.
please reply to me directly at ainode@frontiernet.net
Thanks !
Erik Gertsen

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 23:59:32 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: Re: Desirable front end geometry (NOT!)

OK.  I believe you BUT, :-)  why so so many cars of all kinds have A body
front clip in them.  The only one I see more of is the mustang II?  I know
the stock set up is not the best but it must have some benefits or everyone
would be using mopar k members or ford front ends.  What Am I missing.  I
have been told that (By the head of the hobby stock dirt class) that my A
body would be fine except that it weights to much to run in the front.  And
that I would be better off with a newer G body  (78-87 Malibu ect.
{g-body???is that right}).  How much different is the Monte Carlo that they
raced in the 70s and 80s? most of the parts enter change between most of the
GM cars don't they??

If I'm totally off base I have some unlearning to do.

thanks

LP.


- -----Original Message-----
From: John Carri <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 2:24 PM
Subject: Desirable front end geometry (NOT!)



   Larry Pegg said (snip) "A-body cars from GM have a desirable front
geometry"....

   Larry, don't believe all that you read. (snip)

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:05:09 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: 73 455

Anybody need a 455 built to order?  I have an extra 40 over core I'm not
going to use but am going to build anyway.  It is a 73 with J heads.  The
heads have had the rough & sharp port corners blended and the casting flash
ground off.  I haven't ordered any parts yet so...

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 00:07:42 -0700
From: "Larry Pegg" <nurelic@primenet.com>
Subject: 455 oops

my e-mail is nurelic@priment.com

Larry Pegg

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 01:26:01 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Desirable front end geometry (NOT!)

It would be a kind of a shot in the dark to try to say why someone else
would
say something like that.  My guess would be that they swap in the later
spindles
which would revise the geometry.  They sell weld in bungs for the lower
control
arms so you can use a chrysler screw in ball joint which facilitates the
spindle
swap.  All depends on what class your talking about and what mods they can
do.  My suggestion would be to go back to your source and see what mods
they make to it.  I really don't see them using the stock 64-72 spindles
since
they are not that strong due to being two piece, and the parts for the disc
brake spindles are getting hard to find.  Now after 73 there was a major
body
redesign and the whole chassis design was changed.  This cars had a more
favorable geometry and the one piece spindle.  All cars came with discs and
the parts are easy to find.  73 and later were still A bodies but a complete
different animal (almost nothing interchanges without some work) so like I
said, I would go back to your source for more info.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

>OK.  I believe you BUT, :-)  why so so many cars of all kinds have A body
>front clip in them.  The only one I see more of is the mustang II?  I know
>the stock set up is not the best but it must have some benefits or everyone
>would be using mopar k members or ford front ends.  What Am I missing.  I
>have been told that (By the head of the hobby stock dirt class) that my A
>body would be fine except that it weights to much to run in the front.  And
>that I would be better off with a newer G body  (78-87 Malibu ect.
>{g-body???is that right}).  How much different is the Monte Carlo that they
>raced in the 70s and 80s? most of the parts enter change between most of
the
>GM cars don't they??
>
>If I'm totally off base I have some unlearning to do.
>

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Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1999 21:53:10 -0500
From: "Robert Collins" <collins@peterboro.net>
Subject: 64 Cutlass 442 Sedans

442.com in the technical pages lists that in 1964 there were
3 - F85 Sedans
7 - Deluxe Sedans
produced with the 442 option,  Does anyone know if any of these vehicles
exist today?  If so where and in what condition.
These have to be the rarest of all 442's and I for one would be most
curious to see one them.   

Robert Collins
collins@peterboro.net

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 04:11:55 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: pageing  frank latorre / rallye 350 club

The most recent #  I have is  908 - 276 - 4395

Roger Utter
OCA  27353

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:32:06 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: pageing  frank latorre / rallye 350 club

In a message dated 01/12/1999 4:12:57 AM Eastern Standard Time,
GraphixRUs@aol.com writes:

<< The most recent #  I have is  908 - 276 - 4395
 
 Roger Utter
 OCA  27353
  >>

I you have trouble getting through please be aware that that code may have
changed to 732.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:47:11 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hurst/Olds Screen Saver

In a message dated 01/11/1999 9:34:12 PM Eastern Standard Time,
dgerow@coal.stonehill.edu writes:

<< Well, my second attempt isn't so bad.  I made a Hurst/Olds Screen Saver
 for you Windows finatics out there.  It's fully customizable with 8
 images.  You may have to tweak the setting to you liking.
  >>

The screen saver is great!!!  Good Job!

I will send you some 442 BMP files if you want to sent up another one.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 07:01:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Hurst/Olds Screen Saver

*Giving Dan a round of applause* Very nice screen saver! I am
definetly holding onto that one in hopes that I get my own PC
sometime! (Work doesn't like screensavers :-( 

Bravo again!

Del




- ---"Daniel R. Gerow" <dgerow@coal.stonehill.edu> wrote:
>
> Hey all,
> 
> Well, my second attempt isn't so bad.  I made a Hurst/Olds Screen
Saver
> for you Windows finatics out there.  It's fully customizable with 8
> images.  You may have to tweak the setting to you liking.
> 
> For anyone who is interested, please visit:
> http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
> (Check out the Cutlass while you're there!)
> 
> or
> 
> email me directly to save list bandwidth at:  dgerow@stonehill.edu
> 
> dgerow@student.stonehill.edu
> 
> Either one should work.  If any of you do download it, its about 1.5
meg
> and has an install/uninstall.  Please let me know what you think about
> it and if interested, send me some pics/ideas for future versions. 
I'd
> like to hear your comments.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Dan Gerow
> 
> '69 4-4-2
> '71 Cutlass Supreme
> 
> 

==
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rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:59:23 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: HEI adj. vac. advance kits: summit vs. crane

>I just got Crane's adjustable vacuum advance because my HEI pings at part
>throttle from too much of it.
>
>As far as the mechanical advace goes:  I currently have Summit Racings'
>light springs and weights, but the crane setup came with new springs and
>recommends stock weights.
>
>Anyone have any experience about which way offers more mechanical advance
>sooner?  If I remember right the summit kit only came to full advance at
>4500rpms, no mention of what the crane setup does.

Well, I'd recommend following the instructions in the Crane kit; any
blanket recommendations from others may not apply, due to the different all
our engines are in. 

For example, to use 92 octane unleaded in my '69 Toro 10.25:1 455 with
104,000 miles on it, I found I had to dial back the vacuum advance severely
to avoid pinging under part-throttle loads, though I could run the stock
initial timing, and actually lighten up the mechanical advance by using
*one* lighter spring.

OTOH, the motor in my SX is a '68 Toro 10.25:1 455 (absolutely identical to
the '69 Toro 455,down to the jetting in the carb), with 55,000 miles on it,
runs great at part-throttle with no pinging, but I find I need to back off
some of the total timing on the top end due to higher rpm pinging on 92
octane.

I think the advantage of the the Crane vs. the Summit adjustable vacuum
advance units is that the Crane unit is a part of an overall timing kit
that allows you to optimize the timing curve for your car; I don't think
the Summit kit includes the springs or the vacuum advance limiting plate
(which my '69 really needed).

My suggestion is to follow the sheet of instructions in the Crane kit; it
took me about an hour of adjusting and testing to optimize my '69 Toro's
ignition curve, but now it doesn't ping when I'm lugging the engine up a
hill on even the hottest of days. The only reason I haven't done the same
to my SX is that it will be getting the HEI that I'm reconditioning at this
moment... :)

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 10:41:48 EST
From: EDZX6@aol.com
Subject: Detonation problem

I recently posted my detonation problem, I still haven't solved the problem
but I wanted to specify where in the FAQ I found the timing figures which I
was using.
Example, full advance at 1500 rpm for a std transmission. I located this info
by going into the INDEX then down alphabetically to HEI CONVERSION (from
points) and then 
down to WHAT ABOUT TIMING ADVANCE? This is where I found figures like initial
timing up to 18 and total up to 36 degrees. Just wanted to point this out in
case anyone else wanted to look this up.  I'm hearing from different people
that this is too much timing to soon, and to try 15/32 at 2,500 rpm. So I will
try it and post the outcome.
Eddie     72 Cutlass conv  4spd

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:16:24 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels

Hi all,
Got my Centerforce catalog yesterday, I forgot I had requested one from
their website.  Anyway, I'm just curious what clutch/flywheel setup some of
the people who are rowing gears are running.  I'm actually looking at this
for my 66 GTO, but the 4-4-2 setup is real close.  Centerforce has 3 types
of clutches to chose from: Centerforce I, Centerforce II and Centerforce
Dual-Disc.  I'm leaning towards the II.  On flywheels, are most people
running their originals or an aftermarket?  The Centerforce flywheel for
Olds 350/455 Cutlass is about $318 (the GTO version is $310) and it's SFI
certified for those than need it.  The main reason I ask about the flywheel
is I don't have one and I know I'm most likely gonna run my goat hard so I
figure I'd look to the aftermarket.  And since I'm about 95% sure I'll be
getting the clutch setup from Centerforce I figured I'd look at their
flywheels too.  The only thing I currently have is a bellhousing.  So yes,
that means I'm looking for a Muncie 4sp too.  I'm just basically getting all
my suggestions for parts and info in order so when the time comes later this
year to buy the items I need, I'll be set.
TIA for the suggestions/experiences/recommendations

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:57:14 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Batten Vs. Edelbrock

Helllooo all.

Thought I'd post this info from Brian Nutter from Batten Performance Heads.
It's part of my Batten Vs. Edelbrock Aluminum head comparison:

<Brian>
Gary:

No doubts about the longevity issue.  As for the heads, I'm going to send
flow sheets in the mail, but for now 250 cfm out of the box, 290 super mod
ported, and 325 fully ported.  The best set we've done hit 350 cfm.  As for
power, the original Winston Cup 350's made 620 HP with a flat tappet cam and
today's best 490 - 515 c.i. engines do between 700 - 850 HP.

$2,495  complete with all the best parts
$3,195 super mod port
$3,795 full port

Brian Nutter
Batten Performance
Sales Manager

<GJC>

I was supprised that Batten actually does custom porting to the clients
requirements. Try that with Edelbroch. Anyone know of an aftermarket house
currently porting Edelbrock heads? Contact name - Web site?

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Customs

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@CC-IROC-SS.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:11:21 -0500 (EST)
From: jhbII <jh2nlla@noblecan.org>
Subject: 69 W-30 conv.

    Hi List, Just a couple questions for you most knowing group of
"OLDSHEADS"!!What kinda of documentation would I look for in a 69 W-30 conv.
with AUTO.Tranny. Is the matching # on the "OW" tranny enough?Everything
pans out like red fender wells,D heads, dual chrome air filter,etc. The only
thing that is "throwing"me is that the owner says it has drum brakes. I
thought all W-30's came with manual disc. Any thoughts? As usuall THANKS to
eveyone. This "LIST" is such a neat thing for all of us. Sometimes I think
"WE" take it for granted and some of the flaming is really uncalled
for,ie;"paint jobs,Dick Miller,POSTING ADS!! etc. Everything in life needs
HUMOR,so maybe before "WE" flame somebody "WE" should count aloud to say 10
or even 100 if thats what it takes and then think to "ourselves"is this
going to do any good"?     Just my 2 cents. THANKS again, Jack

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:20:11 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: 69 W-30 conv.

> "OLDSHEADS"!!What kinda of documentation would I look for in a 69 W-30
> conv.
> with AUTO.Tranny. Is the matching # on the "OW" tranny enough?Everything
What about the vin on the block?  rear end code?  carb number?
although it sounds like you've got every thing checked out.

> pans out like red fender wells,D heads, dual chrome air filter,etc. The
> only
> thing that is "throwing"me is that the owner says it has drum brakes. I
Drum brakes are possible.  I've seen exactly what your looking at but a 4sp.
It was triple black.
Jack, I thought you already had one of these?  Trying to corner the market
or something :)

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:22:11 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Rockets on the radio

I was just sitting hear listening to a local country station as I work
(read:surf the web). Someone called in and requested Kathy Mattea's "455
Rocket". The DJ lady asked the caller if he'd "ever driven one of those
babys, ever drive an Oldsmobile?" Of course he hadn't. Shes a pretty cool
lady this DJ. 
Just my little bit of mindless babble to add to todays very little list
traffic.
I guess everyones Olds is running good today. 

Anyone got any 'good ole days' storys of adreniline pumping rides in their
rockets? 

Ed
The Omega Man

'74 Omega S hatchback
'74 Omega coupe

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:23:06 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Batten Vs. Edelbrock

> requirements. Try that with Edelbroch. Anyone know of an aftermarket house
> currently porting Edelbrock heads? Contact name - Web site?
> 
> 
Umm, doesn't Mondello port these??

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:30:07 -0500
From: Mark Ivey <mivey@mail.rapid.com>
Subject: Re: the diff between stock 307/HO 307

Dave Cullen wrote:
> 
> >  The reason
> >why I asked the diff is I'm looking for some ways to make my Olds catch
> >a little more speed.
> 
> Don't we all...
> 
>  > I can't find a roller cam for a 307 anywhere.
> >Does anybody know of a company that makes roller cam's for a 307?
> 
> Comp Cams makes them. They gave me a part number a while back, I'll look it
> up if you like.
> 
> drc


If you would, I would greatly appreciate it.  Was that cam a hydrualic
roller? how big is the cam?

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:32:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Rockets on the radio

- --Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com> wrote:
<Taking a big hunk out>
 Just my little bit of mindless babble to add to todays very little list
> traffic.
> I guess everyones Olds is running good today. 
> 
> Anyone got any 'good ole days' storys of adreniline pumping rides in
their
> rockets? 
<finishing my hacking>

Well, this is kinda a story with a question. Now, before I get any
flames about street racing, I know that it is illegal, but the kid in
the Javelin was asking for it! Anyways, one day I was sitting at a
stop light when I heard this rumble pull up next to me. It was an
orange Javelin that has a 4 spd in it. (Heard him around town before
shifting gears. Not sure what engine though) He revs his engine a
little and I just chuckle. The light turns green and the gas is
mashed. My poor old highway gears didn't help me off the take-off. He
jumped about a car lenght ahead until I hit second. I started to
scream past him. I was watching my tach waiting to put the shifter
into third. (My tranny shifts WAY too soon otherwise!) The tach was
nearing the 4500 RPM range when all of a sudden everything died! Radio
and all! No backfires, no nothing. Just dead! I let off the gas and it
coasted for a bit and then kicked back up. I didn't blow anything,
there is nothing wrong with the engine! Any ideas on what could of
caused this? Needless to say that the Javelin won, but his time will
come!

Del
==
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rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:45:01 -0500
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Olds History Center

Hey, anybody know if the Olds History Center is back up and running?  I
can't remember if it's gone for good, or was starting up again after the
first of the year....The mind is the first thing to go.

Art
67 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 09:53:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Imprortant Car Cover Question

   I just got a Technalon II car cover, made from Evolution IV fabric.
 I read the instructions, and it says that if the car has a new paint
job (less that 6 mos.) it might damage paint, and to check with the
body shop to make sure that it's ok.  Here's my problem... My paint is
only 2 months old, and I left on very bad terms with the painter guy.  
   I have a basecoat/clearcoat paint, don't remember what brand or
type, but it's NOT enamel or laquer.  Do any of you guys have this
cover, and/or have you had a similar situation?  Anybody know what
would happen?  I don't want to ruin a brand new paint job, but the
barn where my car is going for the rest of the winter has cats, so I
want to protect the paint from them jumping on it. TIA for any help.
==

     Stefan
     1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
     70Cutlass@Beer.com

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:57:03 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: 69 W-30 conv.

Jack --

I had a 69 W-30 post coupe 4-speed car with drum brakes.  This car was
stripped to the bone.  It had no radio, no rally pac, no p/s etc.  I think
the only options it had was a dealer installed 4:33 rear gear and a heater!
Oh, it did have a console.  I don't know if they were standard with
4-speeds or not.  I think discs became standard on W-30's in 1970.

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 442 W-30 convert
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
84 Hurst/Olds
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:11:14 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Rockets on the radio

Yea Rock man, that's the kind of storys I'm talking about. Anybody else got
one? Everybody has had at least one redlight or interstate encounter.
BTW, I've also experienced similar dying symptoms in my 70 camaro I drive
daily. My car would run fine for days on end then all of a sudden it would
start acting up. It would cut out driving at crusing speeds. Dash lights
would come on, engine would loose power and all of a sudden it would kick
back on and run fine, then it would do it again.(very annoying) Too make a
very long story short, I finally traced the problem to be something
electrical between the switch and the fuse block. I was getting sudden
voltage drops at my HEI so said my OHM meter, and they don't like that.
With much trial and error I finally (FED UP) rewired the entire engine
electricals independently of the rest of the 29 year old wire mess and put
in a new switch. (This car had been subject to more than one budding
electrical engineer in it's life) You know the ones with wires just
dangling all over the place, more than one with the end burned off and
melted on the headers and more wires running through a hacked hole in the
firewall than it takes to light a house. Anyhow I fixed it. One other time
when it just died out of the blue was caused by my MSD magnetic pickup plug
coming apart. my fault.

Ed
The Omega man








At 09:32 AM 1/12/99 -0800, you wrote:
>--Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com> wrote:
><Taking a big hunk out>
> Just my little bit of mindless babble to add to todays very little list
>> traffic.
>> I guess everyones Olds is running good today. 
>> 
>> Anyone got any 'good ole days' storys of adreniline pumping rides in
>their
>> rockets? 
><finishing my hacking>
>
>Well, this is kinda a story with a question. Now, before I get any
>flames about street racing, I know that it is illegal, but the kid in
>the Javelin was asking for it! Anyways, one day I was sitting at a
>stop light when I heard this rumble pull up next to me. It was an
>orange Javelin that has a 4 spd in it. (Heard him around town before
>shifting gears. Not sure what engine though) He revs his engine a
>little and I just chuckle. The light turns green and the gas is
>mashed. My poor old highway gears didn't help me off the take-off. He
>jumped about a car lenght ahead until I hit second. I started to
>scream past him. I was watching my tach waiting to put the shifter
>into third. (My tranny shifts WAY too soon otherwise!) The tach was
>nearing the 4500 RPM range when all of a sudden everything died! Radio
>and all! No backfires, no nothing. Just dead! I let off the gas and it
>coasted for a bit and then kicked back up. I didn't blow anything,
>there is nothing wrong with the engine! Any ideas on what could of
>caused this? Needless to say that the Javelin won, but his time will
>come!
>
>Del
>==
>Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
>rockman20@yahoo.com
>1986 Honda Accord DX
>1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
>1981 John Deer Snowmobile
>197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
>1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
>_________________________________________________________
>DO YOU YAHOO!?
>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:12:37 EST
From: GaryDW30@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 W-30 conv. (disk vs drum brakes)

Well, I have a 69 W30 4-speed.
Drum brakes all around!
I seem to remember (memory like paint fades with age) the story years ago that
W30 w/4-speed couldn't support power disk brakes. Reason: 328 duration cam.
Little to no vacuum for power disk brakes. I'm sorry I have no information on
manual disks. However, a comment, I would think the pedal pressure to work
these would be awsome.
Just my .02
Gary

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:14:12 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 W-30 conv.

In a message dated 01/12/1999 12:12:55 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jh2nlla@noblecan.org writes:

<<   Hi List, Just a couple questions for you most knowing group of
 "OLDSHEADS"!!What kinda of documentation would I look for in a 69 W-30 conv.
 with AUTO.Tranny. Is the matching # on the "OW" tranny enough?Everything
 pans out like red fender wells,D heads, dual chrome air filter,etc. The only
 thing that is "throwing"me is that the owner says it has drum brakes. I
 thought all W-30's came with manual disc. >>


I had the same question when I was looking at the 69 W-30 that I bought.  Mine
has manual drums.  There seems to be some misinformation about W-30 brakes.
The Oldsmobile 442 & W-Machines Restoration Guide and the 442.com site both
say the W-30 should have disc.

However, Tony Bonafide who has a 69 W-30 conv. told me the drum brakes were
fine.  You may want to contact Tony.  His car is on the 442.com site along
with his email address.  He was very helpful.  According to the information he
has posted, the car you are looking at may be only 1 of 30.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:16:59 -0600
From: "mbloomer" <mbloomer@gateway.net>
Subject: Re: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels

, I'm just curious what clutch/flywheel setup some of
>the people who are rowing gears are running.  I'm actually looking at this
>for my 66 GTO, but the 4-4-2 setup is real close.  

Chris,
Can't remember exactly what they called it but I think it was something
like Dual Friction or similar that I installed on a 69 442.  It was a 
Centerforce piece and the press plate had a set of wieghts that 
were supposed to clamp it tighter as the rpm's increased.  These
wieghts were on the fingers and it sounded like a good idea.  Well
after about 600 miles the clutch hung up.  I was left scratching my 
head trying to figure it out.  The wieghts had screwed up and 
caused the fingers to bind.  Pulled all the weights out and that
was the end of the problem.  This was a few years ago so they
may not offer it any more or have improved it since.  Didn't hurt
anything just turned out to be a pain in the @ss.

Mike B
mbloomer@gateway.net
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
 

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:23:52 -0500 (EST)
From: Jonathan Parke <jonparke@together.net>
Subject: Re: Batten Vs. Edelbrock

>Anyone know of an aftermarket house
>currently porting Edelbrock heads? Contact name - Web site?
>
>-----Regards,
>
>Gary J. Couse
>Couse Customs

Dick Miller is doing mine.

http://www.mspmall.com/dmr/

mailto:dmracing1@aol.com

Phone #(901)-794-2834
Fax #(901)-794-2870
6856 Keystone Dr
Memphis Tennessee
38115-5361

Dick found the castings to be less than perfect.  They're being bench
flowed and I'll post "before" and "after" data when I get it.


jp

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:28:01 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Imprortant Car Cover Question

I have the same cover but my paint was at least a year old before I used it. 
I've stored my car outside for 2 years with just the cover on it and only had 1
problem.  The wind caused the cover to rub one fender and dulled the paint (R-M
Miracril (sp?)).  Other than that the cover seems to work as advertised,
moisture gets out but not much gets in.  Maybe you could contact the guys who
make the cover and check if basecoat/clearcoat paint has the same 6 month
limitation.  You could also ask what the potential problems are.  Does the
cover bind to the paint?  Pattern it?

Stefan Gadecki wrote:
> 
>    I just got a Technalon II car cover, made from Evolution IV fabric.
>  I read the instructions, and it says that if the car has a new paint
> job (less that 6 mos.) it might damage paint, and to check with the
> body shop to make sure that it's ok.  Here's my problem... My paint is
> only 2 months old, and I left on very bad terms with the painter guy.
>    I have a basecoat/clearcoat paint, don't remember what brand or
> type, but it's NOT enamel or laquer.  Do any of you guys have this
> cover, and/or have you had a similar situation?  Anybody know what
> would happen?  I don't want to ruin a brand new paint job, but the
> barn where my car is going for the rest of the winter has cats, so I
> want to protect the paint from them jumping on it. TIA for any help.

Hey, at least the cats should keep the mice away:)  Those little buggers got
into my car once and I still fear them getting in again.
	
- -- 
Cliff Simpson
csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit) (soon to be a 455 :)
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:31:27 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels

> Centerforce piece and the press plate had a set of wieghts that 
> were supposed to clamp it tighter as the rpm's increased.  These
> wieghts were on the fingers and it sounded like a good idea.  Well
> 
Yep, that's it all right.  They still offer it in the 98 catalog I received.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:48:16 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Imprortant Car Cover Question

What I heard is that the paint is still drying and it may hinder the
paint's drying time. The same goes for wax, they state that you shouldn't
wax your car for at least 6 months after a new paint job so the paint can
dry. If the cover is breathable then you should be fine...
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
> To: oldsmobile mailinglist <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Imprortant Car Cover Question
> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 11:53 AM
> 
> 
>    I just got a Technalon II car cover, made from Evolution IV fabric.
>  I read the instructions, and it says that if the car has a new paint
> job (less that 6 mos.) it might damage paint, and to check with the
> body shop to make sure that it's ok.  Here's my problem... My paint is
> only 2 months old, and I left on very bad terms with the painter guy.  
>    I have a basecoat/clearcoat paint, don't remember what brand or
> type, but it's NOT enamel or laquer.  Do any of you guys have this
> cover, and/or have you had a similar situation?  Anybody know what
> would happen?  I don't want to ruin a brand new paint job, but the
> barn where my car is going for the rest of the winter has cats, so I
> want to protect the paint from them jumping on it. TIA for any help.
> ==
> 
>      Stefan
>      1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
>      70Cutlass@Beer.com
> 
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:56:19 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: 455 Main bearing Clearance

I was curious to what the people on this list have for their main bearing
clearance. I have .0020 (2-thousands) on my mains with about .0025 at the
rear main. I have heard .0025" is the best. 
I heard too losse .0030 -.0035 will cause low oil pressure and too tight
.0010 - .0015 can spin a bearing, is this true??  What do you guys or gals
have in your 455's?? 

P.S. This is a street motor that WILL NOT see above 6000RPM.

Pettrix@prodigy.net

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:43:56 PST
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Propane Conversion(it's good)

Hi,

I have been considering converting both my cars, esp.'66 Delta 88.  My 
main regret is that it will definitely not be STOCK.  For now, my car 
is, 95% with just a little over 100K.  It needs some body work and a 
paint job, rearended last Spring.  If and when prices of gas go back up, 
and eventually they will, I am considering a conversion.

                        USA

FYI:  Currently, there are more than 10,000 propane dealers nationwide.  
http://www.afdc.doe.gov/news/4-1/updt4-1d.html 

USDOE Alternative Fuels Data Center (AFDC):
http://afdc3.nrel.gov/

Graphical representation of Refueling Stations-USA
Alternative Fuel Refueling Sites & Information CNG, M85, E85, LPG, LNG, 
& Electric:  http://www.afdc3.nrel.gov/altfuel

                        In Texas

TNRCC or Texas Natural Resource Conservation Commission:  
http://www.tnrcc.state.tx.us/

AFV in Texas:  Frequently Asked Questions about Vehicle Certification 
and the Texas Clean Fleet Program.  
http://www.tnrcc.state.tx.us/air/ms/certfied.htm

This may be the best way to keep our OLDS BEASTS on the road.  I hope 
this info helps.

                      OTHER SOURCES:
http://www.pitt.edu/%7Ealtfuels/afr.htm

Best of Luck,

Chris Rivier
Austin,TX
'66 Delta 88...The BEAST is BACK!
'88 Festiva...ZIPPY 166K LAWN ORNAMENT!


______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 11:59:02 -0800
From: Shawn Holwegner <shawn@holwegner.com>
Subject: '84 Cutlass

Just to let everybody know, yes, Im a sucker - I bougth the '84 that was
listed on ebay so i didnt have to sleep at night knowing it got destroyed
(asides it looks in good external shape, although it needs a new interior).

My problem is that I am currently in California. A friend of mine in Boston is
going to move it to another area for me, but I still need to work on it
before I can bring it home (hopefully in 3 months time).

Doug (current owner) says it smokes white after it warms up and he was told
that it was the headgasket leaking. My '85 (same car, next year) started
leaking as well, but didnt billow white smoke.

	I need to find a place where I can get it repaired since most
likely I wot be bringing about 300lbs of tools with me when I go to pick
up the car. Anyone who knows anyone or has family in the area they talk to,
if you could ask them about a nearby pep boys or other shop so I can get it
road-worthy to bring it home and fix her up... dont think the current one is
too keen on having a new sister, though. >;)

- - S 
- --
#$Bourne compatible .sig,v1.003 1998/12/09 09:16:32 shawn Exp $
set `date +"cc echo ./a.out rm Funja Ubyjrtare /tmp/t.c
main(a){while(a=~getchar())putchar(~a-1/(~(a|32)/13*2-11)*13);}"`;
$2 $8>$7;g$1 $7||$1 $7;$2 $5 $6, rznvy: $5@$6.Pbz.|$3;$4 $3 $7

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:04 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: Re: Can something discharge a battery when switch is "off"?

   Happened on my '74 Plymouth, the car had a dealer-installed cruise 
control that was wired to draw current directly from the battery, not 
throught the ignition switch.  I think it only drew a couple hundred 
mA, but enough to discharge the battery if I parked it for more than a 
day or two.

   Also happened to a friend - the rectifier diodes in his alternator 
went bad and when that happens the battery forces current backwards 
through the leaky diode and through the alternator stator windings. 
Same result, discharges the battery PDQ depending on how leaky the 
diodes are.

   Using a test-lamp or buzzer in series with the positive battery 
cable and pulling fuses or wires until you find the source of the draw 
is slow and tedious, but a sure way to help track down the offending 
circuit.

   Good luck!

- -John Carri

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 12:14 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: Re: beater vs restored

   My '72 Supreme is my daily driver, 40 miles round trip every day on 
the LA freeways.

   Let's see, I could keep my big comfortable Olds in the garage and 
squeeze myself into a cramped, noisy, wrong-wheel-drive econobox for 
an hour and a half every day, or I could drive the Olds and enjoy it 
every day. Hmm, which do you think I picked?

   When I was a kid my dad used to have a collection of Readers 
Digests going back to the fifties. He kept them locked up in some 
steel trunks he had, and never let us kids read them. He never read 
them either, just kept them in their steel boxes, slowly yellowing and 
crumbling away... made no sense to me then, makes no sense to me now.

   One final thought - how much longer do you think we can continue to 
drive and enjoy cars like these? Not being a doomsayer, but to me the 
writing is on the wall; we may be the last generation permitted to 
drive 25 year old cars for daily use. Sooner or later (a) the 
dwindling supply of these old cars will dry up and (b) the ever 
stricter smog laws will start to limit how much driving we can do with 
these cars.

   While I still can, I'm going to drive and enjoy both my old cars as 
much as I can :)

- -John Carri

'72 Supreme
'73 Plymouth Road Runner   

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 14:14:05 -0600
From: Paul Brillhart <pbrill1@uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels

Semantana Chris (ONEX) wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Got my Centerforce catalog yesterday, I forgot I had requested one from
> their website.  Anyway, I'm just curious what clutch/flywheel setup some of
> the people who are rowing gears are running.  I'm actually looking at this
> for my 66 GTO, but the 4-4-2 setup is real close.  Centerforce has 3 types
> of clutches to chose from: Centerforce I, Centerforce II and Centerforce
> Dual-Disc.  I'm leaning towards the II.  On flywheels, are most people
> running their originals or an aftermarket?  The Centerforce flywheel for
> Olds 350/455 Cutlass is about $318 (the GTO version is $310) and it's SFI
> certified for those than need it.  The main reason I ask about the flywheel
> is I don't have one and I know I'm most likely gonna run my goat hard so I
> figure I'd look to the aftermarket.  And since I'm about 95% sure I'll be
> getting the clutch setup from Centerforce I figured I'd look at their
> flywheels too.  The only thing I currently have is a bellhousing.  So yes,
> that means I'm looking for a Muncie 4sp too.  I'm just basically getting all
> my suggestions for parts and info in order so when the time comes later this
> year to buy the items I need, I'll be set.
> TIA for the suggestions/experiences/recommendations
> 
> Chris Smetana
> Terre Haute, IN
> http://www.abcs.com/chris/
> 
> 1969 W-31
> 1969 4-4-2 parts car
> plus others


Chris,


  I haven't put it in yet, but I got my Dual-Friction from JEGS. 
Definitely cheaper than directly from Centerforce.  When I was
considering one, Jim Chermack related that he ran one and loved it.  He
also noted that for stock or slightly modified cars, the Gold would be
just fine.  I intend to romp hell out of the new motor and opted for the
11" dual-friction. Also, note that the GTO's usually did not come with
11", but 10.5" from the factory.  If you get a used flywheel, check the
drill pattern.  I believe that aftermarket flywheels are also available
more reasonably from PAW's large catalog.  Don't remember the
manufacturer, but it was a name brand.  Good luck with the conversion, I
helpd a buddy do one on a '65 Goat that originally had a manual and it
was a b$t#h find all the parts.

Also, buy a new throwout bearing while you're at it.

Paul Brillhart

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:41:11 -0500
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels

> also noted that for stock or slightly modified cars, the Gold would be
That's basically what the little chart in the catalog said, the II or dual
friction for mildly modified vehicles

> just fine.  I intend to romp hell out of the new motor and opted for the
> 11" dual-friction. Also, note that the GTO's usually did not come with
> 11", but 10.5" from the factory.  If you get a used flywheel, check the
Actually it was 10.4" but whose counting.  I know what you mean and
Centerforce did list an 11" clutch too that I may look into.  The motor is
from a 67 4sp GTO so if I choose the used route it would be a 67 flywheel
I'd be looking for.

> Also, buy a new throwout bearing while you're at it.
I intend to.  Along with the infamous pilot bearing and I still need to find
a clutch fork.  More of all those right parts you mentioned :)

Thanks Paul

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:04:41 -0500 (EST)
From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Subject: RE: '94 Cutlass Timing Chain

Ugh.. no start.. tow to dealer ... timing chain is shot after 80,000 miles,
Does anyone think this is unusual or should I complain to the dealer to 
see if they will pick up some of the cost of replacement?  It is a V-6
3.4 l engine and has not been abused.  Seems to me the timing chain 
shoould have lasted a bit longer.  Thanks for your opinion.

Al Varhus
Columbus, Ohio 
http://www.infinet.com/~avar
http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
  Mid Ohio Chapter #136
  Gem City Rockets  
  

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:08:02 -0600
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: HEI adj. vac. advance kits: summit vs. crane

>Hey Greg!
>    Try as I might, I cannot understand why an ignition kit would include
>"lighter springs and weights
>                                                                 Ron Forsee
>                                                                 65
Ron, I meant to say that I used the weights summit gave me and lighter
springs.  I have no idea if the weights are heavier or lighter than stock.

- -greg

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 13:26:19 -0800
From: Shawn Holwegner <shawn@holwegner.com>
Subject: Re: '94 Cutlass Timing Chain

On Tue, Jan 12, 1999 at 04:04:41PM -0500, The Viking wrote:
> 
> Ugh.. no start.. tow to dealer ... timing chain is shot after 80,000 miles,
> shoould have lasted a bit longer.  Thanks for your opinion.

Now if this was an import, it would have died about 50k ago and that would
have been expected...
(sorry, couldnt resist)

- - S
- -- 
#$Bourne compatible .sig,v1.003 1998/12/09 09:16:32 shawn Exp $
set `date +"cc echo ./a.out rm Funja Ubyjrtare /tmp/t.c
main(a){while(a=~getchar())putchar(~a-1/(~(a|32)/13*2-11)*13);}"`;
$2 $8>$7;g$1 $7||$1 $7;$2 $5 $6, rznvy: $5@$6.Pbz.|$3;$4 $3 $7

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:34:48 -0500
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels

I put a stock spec. clutch in my 67 442.  It lasted about a week.  The
flywhell was covered with heat spots and it was slipping badly.  I ended up
springing for a Centerforce dual friction clutch (yes, they still have the
little weights on the fingers).  This clutch is amazing.  No excessive
peddle pressue.  At the dragstrip the clutch also worked perfectly.  Though
they do NOT recomend using slicks, I do.  Launcing at 3000,4000,5000,
whatever.. no slipage at all.  Its an odd feeling having a big block Olds
with a 4 speed actually hook up and not slip the clutch after side stepping
the clutch.  Slipping the clutch when leaving a stop light is abit more
difficult than with a stock clutch, this baby wants to engage. but its no
biggie..

Evil Ken
olds442@en.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:03:39 -0500
From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Subject: Re: Hurst/Olds Screen Saver

Cool screen saver. What did you use to create it. I would like to create my
own version.

John Richmond
richmond@tir.com  or  jwr10@daimlerchrysler.com
http://www.tir.com/~richmond/
- -----Original Message-----
From: Daniel R. Gerow <dgerow@coal.stonehill.edu>
To: Oldsmobile List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, January 11, 1999 9:33 PM
Subject: Hurst/Olds Screen Saver


>Hey all,
>
>Well, my second attempt isn't so bad.  I made a Hurst/Olds Screen Saver
>for you Windows finatics out there.  It's fully customizable with 8
>images.  You may have to tweak the setting to you liking.
>
>For anyone who is interested, please visit:
>http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
>(Check out the Cutlass while you're there!)
>
>or
>
>email me directly to save list bandwidth at:  dgerow@stonehill.edu
>
>dgerow@student.stonehill.edu
>
>Either one should work.  If any of you do download it, its about 1.5 meg
>and has an install/uninstall.  Please let me know what you think about
>it and if interested, send me some pics/ideas for future versions.  I'd
>like to hear your comments.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Dan Gerow
>
>'69 4-4-2
>'71 Cutlass Supreme
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:35:03 -0500
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: Re: Hurst/Olds Screen Saver

John,

Thanks for checking out the screen saver.  As soon as I get more pics I will
post others.  I used Stardust's Screen Saver Toolkit to make it, although the
program itself is a bit lacking.  The images were done in Photoshop, of
course.  You can dounload a trial edition of the Toolkit at:
http://www.stardust.com

That should work.  Let me know if you have success.

Dan Gerow
http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
dgerow@stonehill.edu

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:39:33 EST
From: SOMMERVLLE@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hurst/Olds Screen Saver

I down loaded the screen saver onto my work computerand everyone now sees why
i love my oldsmobiles!!!!!!! great job hey put a g-body on it and a 72 and
your complete GREAT JOB!!!! 

CHRIS SOMMERVILLE
69 442SC

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:06:52 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Coil Ground Answers!

Here's the reply from MSD about grounding the coil case.  Sure makes me look
stoopid..........:-)  Oh well, learn something new every day.  Sorry for the
misinformation!
> Dear Sir,
> 
>    The coil case does not have to be grounded, if this would be the case,
> you would get shocked every time you touch the coil housing when the
> engine is running.  The grounding is handled by the ignition module.
> Thanks,
> 
> MSD Tech

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

Still looking stoopid......................

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 17:33:07 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: '94 Cutlass Timing Chain

Well HONESTLY, that is COMMON & NORMAL. The timing chain on a 3.4L motor is
made of rubber. They RECOMMEND changing it at 60,000MILES. So your 80,000
mile motor was well overdue. You really can't complain to GM because it
states in the manual that it should be replaced by 60,000 miles. So you got
another 20,000 miles extra life out of it. So to all with the 3.4L DOHC
motors. CHANGE YOUR TIMING CHAINS EVERY 60,000 MILES!!!!  It is more
expensive to replace them when they break because every rubber piece has to
be picked up from the motor.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: '94 Cutlass Timing Chain
> Date: Tuesday, January 12, 1999 3:04 PM
> 
> 
> Ugh.. no start.. tow to dealer ... timing chain is shot after 80,000
miles,
> Does anyone think this is unusual or should I complain to the dealer to 
> see if they will pick up some of the cost of replacement?  It is a V-6
> 3.4 l engine and has not been abused.  Seems to me the timing chain 
> shoould have lasted a bit longer.  Thanks for your opinion.
> 
> Al Varhus
> Columbus, Ohio 
> http://www.infinet.com/~avar
> http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
> Oldsmobile Club of America # 29111
>   Mid Ohio Chapter #136
>   Gem City Rockets  
>   

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:47:09 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst/Olds Screen Saver

All Olds lovers, especially of the Hurst variety, need this screensaver!

MAN, who's the goofball that owns that 69 H/O toward the front of the
screensaver action?  HAHA.  Only kidding.  That's Kurt Karch's car if my
eyes ain't playing tricks on me. I BELIEVE Jon Wessel's car follows
Kurt's in succession, but I'm not 100% sure.  Those 69's start looking
alike after a while...

Hat's off to an extrordinary screensaver.  Best I've seen for ANY
price.  Of course, I could be a bit biased here.

Great Job!!!!!
Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 18:38:48 -0500
From: THOMAS JACQUILLARD <tjacquillard@InfoAve.Net>
Subject: Re: Hurst/Olds Screen Saver

John Richmond wrote:
> 
> Cool screen saver. What did you use to create it. I would like to create my
> own version.
> I am also curious, did you make this with Power point and then insert into 
some program ? Please send me details.
tjacquillard@clds.net

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 15:57:59 PST
From: "Peter Vollemans" <rocket403@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Batten Vs. Edelbrock

I believe that Joe Mondello will sell Edelbrock (or any other Olds head) 
ported the way you want them.


>I was supprised that Batten actually does custom porting to the clients
>requirements. Try that with Edelbroch. Anyone know of an aftermarket 
house
>currently porting Edelbrock heads? Contact name - Web site?
>
>-----Regards,
>
>Gary J. Couse
>Couse Customs
>
>ICQ# 5209322
>gjcouse@CC-IROC-SS.com
>
>Custom Conversion Prototype:
>CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
>http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com
>
>


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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 16:10:56 PST
From: "Peter Vollemans" <rocket403@hotmail.com>
Subject: Blown 403

I was just re-reading the Jan '98 issue of Hot Rod Magazine.  There is a 
78 442 hatchback with a blown 403 connected to a Toro transaxle in the 
rear of the car.  Anybody have any info on this?  I'm specifically 
interested in the blower.  Anyone know of a blower for small block Olds?




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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:33:45 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Coil Ground Answers!

In a message dated 1/12/99 5:14:07 PM Central Standard Time, KS7RACING@aol.com
writes:

<< Here's the reply from MSD about grounding the coil case.  Sure makes me
look
 stoopid..........:-)  Oh well, learn something new every day.  Sorry for the
 misinformation! >>


   My wife was laughing...NOT at you, but at me. She said I wouldn't have the
"b*lls" to send a reply proving that I was wrong. I have respect for you, as I
have had for no others ...at least my bosses. They would never admit an honest
mistake!

"Respectfully", Collyn Eastham
                       65 442
                       65 Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:32:37 EST
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 Main bearing Clearance

In a message dated 1/12/99 1:48:05 PM Eastern Standard Time,
PETTRIX@prodigy.net writes:

<< I was curious to what the people on this list have for their main bearing
 clearance. I have .0020 (2-thousands) on my mains with about .0025 at the
 rear main. I have heard .0025" is the best.  >>

My current motor specs from a low of .002 to a high of .00325 on No.5 I have
probably about 4000 miles on the car incl. at least 150 passes in the 1/4.
Build is 
4 years old now and last summer ran all time best at 11.80 / 114.7 mph. thru
full
exhaust (3' in.)  I run synthetic 10-w30 and usually pump about 44 lbs @ 3000
rpm on the x-way and when hot at idle (950 rpm @ 24 lbs.) 

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:41:49 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Centerforce - clutches and flywheels

Chris,

Since I was in a cost-conscious mode at the time, my 70 W-30 got a
Centerforce I setup with the stock flywheel.  I've previously used a
stock-type diaphragm clutch, which has low pedal pressure but wore out
quickly, and several aftermarket Long-type three finger clutches (Hayes,
McLeod, etc), all of which gripped well but required excessive pedal
pressure.  The Centerforce I grips like the aftermarket clutches but with
stock diaphragm clutch pedal pressure.  If I had to do it again, however,
I'd get the better grade Centerforce units.  My friend has a Dual Friction
in his GTO and loves it.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 19:57:15 -0500
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: forged crank

List,
    
        What are the tell tale signs
of a forged 455 crank while still in the
block ??????

Tanks
The General

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:06:29 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Blown 403

I was just re-reading the Jan '98 issue of Hot Rod Magazine.  There is a
78 442 hatchback with a blown 403 connected to a Toro transaxle in the
rear of the car.  Anybody have any info on this?
________

That car was built by former Olds engineer Bill Porterfield, better known
as the driving force behind Mid Engineering, the company that used to sell
tube frames to replace the VW floorpan in kit cars.  The frame was designed
around the Toro transaxle and (typically) an Olds powerplant.  His prior
projects included a series of Kelmark kit cars (the Kelmark was a Dino
Ferrari lookalike) with various GM powerplants (455 Olds, 350 Olds, and
Buick V6) and a T-bucket with a mid-engine 455 Olds/Toro drive.  His set of
Kelmarks was the subject of a cross-country drive article in Car Craft or
Hot Rod in the mid-70s.

As for the blower setup, most of the blower manufacturers sell similar
setups to fit just about any V8.  They typically start with a single plane
single or dual 4bbl intake and add a 1/2" thick aluminum plate to mount the
blower case.  Contact Blower Drive Service or Dyers, among others.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1999 20:24:54 -0500
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Stuff 4 sale

PLEASE!
E me direct and
I'll get back to you A.S.A.P
 
 Robert Schinkel
 docbob@caninet.com
 
 1966  B cylinder heads  (bare heads) >   $100
 
 1967  C cylinder heads with small heat riser hole>   $200
          Magnufluxed  -  complete
 
 1968

  442 grill emblem >   $40
 Nos Side marker light gaskets>   $10 all
 Nos front bumper rubbers (corner by fender)>  $30
 Ashtray Door >  $8
 Convertible top cylinders > $25 ea.
 Rear defroster switch > $20
 Motor mount heat shield > $8
 Conv. Top latches  >20.pr
 Conv. Vent windows with frames good chrome incl. glass  >$75.pr.
 Reverse light lens good condition > $10
 442 Carb  #7028251 >$100
 442 Air Cleaner w/lower tube>$75
 Intake for 442 398662 with choke> $50
 Choke pulldown only >$20
 Power Antenna Switch  >$20
 Plastic headlight doors > $225
 
 1969

 Wiper switch  > $20
 Radio plate (uncut)> $20
 Ashtray Doors   > $8
 Convertible top cylinders > $25
 Convertible Trunk Lid rustfree  > $150 
 Hood Hinges > $20pr
 442 Ashtray door with woodgrain Exc.>$10
 Motor mount heat shield  >$8
 glove box door - black w/woodgrain>$20
 Conv. Top latches >$20.pr
 Vacuum trunk switch >$20
 Taillight lens and some housings >$15 ea
 442 Taillight lenses $20ea
 69-72      Power window motors >  $20ea.
 
 1970
  Southern Trunk Lid (Holiday Coupe)  > $175 exc.
 Tail light lens (Cutlass) >  $15 ea
 Tail light lens (Supreme) > $20 ea
 Nos 455 Oil Dipstick tubes  > $20
 Lower Dash AC Vents (none 8 Track)>$100
 Dual Gate Shifter(shifter only)>$150
 Wheel Well Chrome (HC) complete set> $100
 Rear liscense plate brackets  > $10ea.
 Nos pass. side headlight frame(plastic)>  $75
 8 Track Complete (E me for details)>$100
 Nos fender script "Cutlass"  >  $25 ea
 Nos Horn Contact (sport wheel)  >  $25 ea
 F85 fender script >  $30 pr.
 Dash Plaques (Plastic around gauges W/ wood grain)   >   $20
 Convertible top cylinder > $25
 Hood Hinges > $15
 Motor mount heat shield> $5
 Conv. Top latches> $20.pr
 455 heads E casting> $100
 Convertible Top Switch  > $60
 1 NOS rear Wheel well Molding>$50
 69-72      Power window motors> $25 ea.
 
 1971 & 1972
 Front bumper directional lens> $8 ea.
 72 fender mount antenna - complete> $20
 Tail light lens > $12 ea. or $40 for set of 4
 Trunk lid script "O-L-D-S-M-O-B-I-L-E">  $20
 4-4-2 emblems set for 442 Grills >$30
 Dash Plaques (Wood Grain area around gauges) >$10
 Convertible top cylinders  > $25
 Hood Hinges   >$15
 Rear ¼ panel supreme extensions (supremes only)>$10
 Motor mount heat shield  >$5
 Conv. Top latches  >$20.pr
  69-72      Power window motors > $20 ea.
 
 1973
 Carb         7043256  >$40
 455 4BBL with crank drilled for 4 speed> $350

1974 & 75
Southern Fenders > $100ea.
442/Hurst Hood > $150 exc.

Shipping is extra 
Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454






Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454

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