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oldsmobile-digest      Monday, February 1 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1746



Re: Got the Toro, need a manual
Re: Wipers
Re: tranny lines and disc brakes
Re: Got the Toro, need a manual
Re: My Classic Car Olds
RE: front end(long)
RE: My Classic Car Olds
Re: My Classic Car Olds
RE: My Classic Car Olds
Re: 600 Holly on a 455
Radio in!
I'm baaack
Re: Priming and an idea {Startup}
Re: Radio in!
Re: Priming and an idea
FS: 69 Cutlass S convertible
Ken Snyder Racing Pages Updated
Date:	Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:32:41 -0800 
Re: Radio in!
Re: Where is everybody?
Feasibility of a site with list of Olds sellers and ratings.
Engine Detailing/.030 Under Crank grinding
WEB/URL Request for My ~butchered~ floor pan Images
REQ: Austin's Good Machine Shop / Body Shop
Re: Radio in!
Re: Feasibility of a site with list of Olds sellers and ratings.
Re: 72 HURSTOLDS poster
Re: Danbury Mint
Re: Radio in!
New member
Re: Feasibility of a site with list of Olds sellers and ratings.
Re: Radio in!
Horsepower TV
Priming of Oil Filter
Re: Olds on TV
detailing x-mans
Non olds related 
RE: Radio in!
Bile was: How about.... and miscellaneous that apparently ARE Olds 
related.....!
Pot metal repair/plating
Re: Non olds related
Pre-ignition oiling was: Priming and an Idea
J-2 intakes
Re: Pre-ignition oiling was: Priming and an Idea
So Sayeth the Lord!  (Was Re: Non olds related)
Re: detailing x-mans
Caravan to Dallas was: My Classic Car Olds
Re: J-2 intakes
Re: A quick rearend question (Was Rear Springs!)
Re: Pre-ignition oiling was: Priming and an Idea
Re: My Classic Car Olds
RE: Wipers
15 inch SSI wheels form Coker Tire
Re: Non olds related 
Re: My Classic Car Olds
Re: J-2 intakes
Re: detailing x-mans
Re: Caravan to Dallas was: My Classic Car Olds
Edelbrock Performer 455 Modification for O.A.I.???
Re: More Work!
REQ:  One Boxed Ctrl Arm (1970)
Re: Wipers
To rebuild or not to rebuild

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:14:29 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Got the Toro, need a manual

>Would someone please help me determine what sort of manuals I should get for
>maintenance/restoration on my "new" 68 Toro?
>If there aren't any current production books (unlikely to get one from Haynes,
>I suppose :-) where should I look to find an original one?

Year One sells excellent reprints of the '68 Shop Manual for $45; more than
the Haynes/Chilton manuals (which don't exist for a '68 Toro), but
definitely worth the extra money!

Oh, and their number is easy to remember: 1-800-YEAR-ONE

or, in other words: (800) 932-7663

Though they specialize in Cutlass/442's, many of the small engine parts and
such will also apply to your Toro, so get their catalog as well, along with
Oldsmobile USA and Fusick's catalogs.

Oh, and don't forget to join us on the Toro mail list.
_______________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 04:31:14 EST
From: Stakin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Wipers

, you write:

<< well this may seem funny because I'm laughing my butt off but the wipers on
 my 442 wont turn off they continue to run for about 5 minutes then die of
 their own free will and accord  >>

Dont know what year your 442 is but I had the same problem with my 69
Elcamino. It turned out to be a bad ground at the switch in my case.  

Joe

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 06:13:11 EST
From: RmeCbtEngr@aol.com
Subject: Re: tranny lines and disc brakes

if you put anything on the rotors , it will gumm up the pads, or you can coat
all but the braking area with 3in1 oil or a light grease 

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 07:10:15 EST
From: StepHydro@aol.com
Subject: Re: Got the Toro, need a manual

Bob,

Is this "Shop Manual" the Oldsmobile Chassis Manual that another mentioned? If
so, are the reprints of as high quality? I have been told that the originals
go for $20-$70, and I have been offered one for $50. 

Or is this a third party manual or a different Olds manual?

Cheers/Don Carron


>>>Year One sells excellent reprints of the '68 Shop Manual for $45; more than
the Haynes/Chilton manuals (which don't exist for a '68 Toro), but
definitely worth the extra money!>>>

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:11:26 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: My Classic Car Olds

I thought it was nice to see something other than a W-30 for once.  Someone
mentioned that MCC should have featured a "rare" 4-4-2 instead of the Cruiser.
Excuse me, but I'd be willing to bet that this car was the rarest of the
bunch.  This was a two barrel and a post car, you won't find a rarer combo in
a 4-4-2.  These were aimed at a specific market, someone who wanted the looks
and handling of the 4-4-2, but did not wish to put up with a high performance
engine on a daily basis.  Pontiac had similar GTO's with 2 speed automatics
and Ch*vy had some real mild 325 horse 396 Ch*velles.  I've spent time in the
previously mentioned GTO and a good friend had one of the Ch*velles, talk
about a dog with highway gears and no posi.  Remember that not everyone could
afford the top of the line models when they were new, most folks bought the
bread and butter muscle cars.  This particular 4-4-2 was a shining example of
a very unusual car and it deserved to be on MCC.

Dave "if I see another OAI hood I may vomit" Wyatt
70   4-4-2 (bread and butter version)

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:15:55 -0500 
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: front end(long)

> There
> are ways of pulling the old bushings out without a press but it's far
> easier
> to just take it to a shop that has one and have them do it.  Will save you
> time in the long run.  As far as reinstallation, it's the opposite 
> 
I don't know about shops in your area, but there are a few near me that will
NOT install the poly bushings you bring in.  They've had MANY customers come
back and complain about noise and asked them to be removed, so in the long
run, the shops just don't do it anymore.  Like I said, this is only shops in
my area, other shops in other areas have their own policies.  I'd call and
check first before potentially making a trip for nothing.

Ben, where are you located?  I may be able to help you out with some
pictures?  email me privately.  semantanac@tce.com   or    chris@abcs.com

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:29:26 -0500 
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: My Classic Car Olds

Man, you guys are brutal.  We all complain about lack of coverage, Chevy
Craft, Hot Chevy, blah, blah, blah.  And when a major venue (ie magazine, tv
show etc) decides to show a 4-4-2, we criticize that it's not the one on
every corner 70 W-30 (not that I have anything against a 'real' 70 W-30).
We should be happy that an Olds 4-4-2 was at least even featured on the
show.  If we, as Olds list members and Olds owners didn't like the car
featured, we should contact the show, just like it said at the end, "...if
you have an idea or feature for a segment on My Classic Car, contact us at
the following address..." or something to that affect.  I think we should
just be happy the Olds 4-4-2 got the exposure it did, instead of criticizing
for it not being the 'correct' model ~we~ wanted to see.
(off my soapbox)

Chris (shocked and surprised at the list response) Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:33:22 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: My Classic Car Olds

One more thing.  I just sent MCC a thank you for featuring this particular
model.  Just to let them know that someone does appreciate such a rare and
unusual 4-4-2.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:41:16 -0500 
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: My Classic Car Olds

> One more thing.  I just sent MCC a thank you for featuring this particular
> model.  Just to let them know that someone does appreciate such a rare and
> unusual 4-4-2.
> 
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2
> 
> 
Amen brother!

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 06:00:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 600 Holly on a 455

I had a Holley 600 vacume secondaries on a just about stock 350 and I
was not pleased with it at all. Very doggy!
==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
_________________________________________________________
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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:23:46 -0500 
From: Darren King <KingD@sx.com>
Subject: Radio in!

I managed to get a cheap am/fm cassette unit for free so
I set out to install this baby in the 79 Cutlass Salon.
Unfortunately, when I removed the AM radio, I found that
someone had done some home wiring so there was no
harness or 'plug' connector.  So I set out to do some splicing.
After I hooked up the wires, I found that I had power to the
unit as the lights would come on but I couldn't make the tape
play or fast forward.  I went to look at how it was wired up in
my truck and I noticed that someone had run a wire directly
from the fuse block to the radio.  So I pulled this wire out and 
tried it in the Cutlass and it worked!  

I don't really understand why it worked...all I know is I don't have
to listen to am oldies anymore...yeah!  Does this sound right?
I figured that the wires to the am radio wouldn't be enough to
power the tape player.

Darren King

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:28:21 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: I'm baaack

Amazingly, our office network upgrade over the weekend was successful, so
I'm back.  What did I miss?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 08:31:27 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Priming and an idea {Startup}

Just a thought about startup:
OIl clings to engine parts for days, just take your oilpan off to change
the gasket, you'll get oil in your face for an eternity, or what seems
like one.   For daily use, I just can't see it being a problem, since
cold engine parts have a lot more clearance anyway...

My .03, as I'm always looking for ways to keep my old cars running
longer (they get cooler very year as less and less of them are around,
someones gotta keep them alive)...

Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:
>       Del, I don't know if startup is actually the hardest on an engine. (not
> after a complete rebuild, just day to day) I know I'm digging a hole here for
> everyone to push me into, and I'm not trying to make enemies or anthing, but
> looking in a newer car owners manual, it states idling is the hardest on an
> engine, and that if you are going to be stopped for a minute or more, to shut
> the car off, so as not to idle as long. I have no clue how idling can be 
worse
> than starting though..maybe not as much cooling for the motor as when moving?
> Or maybe the oil pump isn't moving as much oil around....Perhaps they are
> figuring with the newer oils startup isn't bad (or as bad) due to the oil
> still clinging to the parts. I don't know, but that is the only time I have
> seen any reference by a factory manual about anything like that..never seen
> anything except by the Slick 50 type lube companies saying startup is bad for
> your motor. Dorian

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 09:43:44 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Radio in!

>all I know is I don't have to listen to am oldies anymore...

You mean there are other types of music?  I learn something new every day.



Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:04:16 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: Priming and an idea

<snip>

> Which brings me to this
>question. (And if anyone makes something like this, I wan part of the
>revenue!!!) Since the hardest thing on an engine is at startup, why
>haven't they made something where as soon as you turn the key on, an
>electric pump pumps oil to all the necessary places and then shuts off
>when your engine starts to run or it senses oil pressure? This could
>also serve as a backup in case your oil pump ever failed. Pressure
>drops, pump kicks in, light on dash comes on telling you pump is bad
>but still keeps oil pressure so you can get to somewhere to fix it. 
>
>Del
>==
Well such a device is for sale as an "Pre-luber." You can buy one for only 
$440.

roger hitson

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:23:30 -0500 (EST)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: FS: 69 Cutlass S convertible

From the newsgroups...

If interested, contact them directly.

>Recently restored (11/98) classic muscle car. 455 V-8. Edelbrock
>modifications, make this car very, very fast. New top and many new parts. No
>rust or corrosion. Car is straight and beautiful. Light yellow (original Olds
>color) with clear coat. Black leather interior. Bucket seats. Console on the
>floor. Spoke steering wheel. Sport rally wheels. Photo available by e-mail.

> E-mail aspiegel@bellsouth.net
>

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 10:27:36 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Ken Snyder Racing Pages Updated

Listmembers,

I just got a revision of my web pages finished and loaded, please stop by and
let me know what you think.

For the technical types, I added a lot of details to the specifications
section about Grace on the "NASCAR Info And Team Lineup" page, also added
Lisa's Banner Exchange to the ChasinRacin index page and a new souvenir page
listing the items available from Roger (list member, hi Roger!) at Rowland
Graphics.  Hopefully later this week I'll be revising OldsLink to reflect some
of the pages I've had the chance to visit lately.

On a non-Olds (web page) note, if you go into my personal pages' favorite
links page (http://members.aol.com/ks7racing/links.htm) and click on the
"elise's zesty weasel" link you'll find one killer site for graphics.  Elise
does graphics for a living, yet she offers some sets and individual graphics
for free, as long as you tell everybody where you got them.  When I revise
Chelsea's team pages I'm going to use some of her work.

Well, I'll get off of here for now, stop by when you can and Take Care!

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:32:41 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Date:	Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:32:41 -0800 

Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:47:10 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Priming and an idea(Was Re: Vaseline Talk / Engine Rebuilding /
Priming)

[SNIP}

================================
[SNIP]  Which brings me to this
question. (And if anyone makes something like this, I wan part of the
revenue!!!) Since the hardest thing on an engine is at startup, why
haven't they made something where as soon as you turn the key on, an
electric pump pumps oil to all the necessary places and then shuts off
when your engine starts to run or it senses oil pressure? This could
also serve as a backup in case your oil pump ever failed. Pressure
drops, pump kicks in, light on dash comes on telling you pump is bad
but still keeps oil pressure so you can get to somewhere to fix it. 


I read about something like this in either popular science or Pop Mechanics.
It's out there somewhere.


Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 11:47:14 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Radio in!

David L Wyatt wrote:
> 
> >all I know is I don't have to listen to am oldies anymore...
> 
> You mean there are other types of music?  I learn something new every day.

Boy am I glad that I'm not as old as you!!!!!!  I bet you were around
when Ransom built his first horseless carriage.  Sorry, Dave, but the
temptation was TOO much.  I must confess to being a 60-70s music kind of
a guy also with a little 50s thrown in for a historical start.  
Strangely over the years I've also gotten to where I like some of the
big band offerings also (No, people, I DON'T mean a current group with a
lot of members).  That probably is the result of watching a lot of
biographies over the years about Glenn Miller, Red Nichols, the Dorseys,
etc in the movies on the tube.  Strangely enough it hasn't hurt me too
much I guess.  It also just seems right to be driving around in a 69-72
car with music from that time zone rolling out of the speakers.  The
beer has been replaced by a Coca-Cola, but it still sounds great.  Aint
nothing sounds like the Doors, Led Zepplin, Hendrix, Iron Butterfly, the
Stones, Grand Funk, etal when your mellowed out and the music has been
turned up a few extra notches.  Ah yes, the peaceful thoughts of youth!
Never mind it was one of the more turbulent times in the our history
with Viet Nam, riots, etc.  You could take your favorite honey, a case
of brews, a pizza and some buds, go to the drivein and the world would
stop for a few hours of fun.  Now it mortgages, kids, inlaws, outlaws,
and trying to keep all the house/car/other repairs going.  What a
difference.

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:47:14 -0800 (PST)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Where is everybody?

Welcome to the list

     Don't worry about lack of messages.  Once you've been on the list
for a while, you'll find that once in a while there will be a few days
where the message flow slows down quite a bit.  This is actually a
good thing, as it lets you relax a bit to prepare for the next time
that you get 400+ messages per day for a week straight.  I've been on
this list for almost a year now, and I've gotta say, there are days
where you wonder where everybody is, and there are days where you just
want the messages to stop because you can't keep up.  Either way, I
love this list and the information that it brings me, but not as much
as I love my Olds, which reminds me, thanks for mentioning checking on
your car, I think I'll go check on mine in a little while.

Happy Oldsmobiling,
              Stefan
              70Cutlass@beer.com
              1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
<SNIP>
has something to say- you wouldn't be subscribed if you didn't think you
> had something
> to offer or learn.
> 
> Much Happiness Olds Folks.
> 
> A new subscriber- with high hopes,
> 
> Kevin D. Wood
> Hartford, WI
> Dr-Olds@webtv.net
> or kevwood@webtv.net
> 
> )<<{{}}'>
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:36:57 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Feasibility of a site with list of Olds sellers and ratings.

Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:29:22 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Feasibility of a site with list of Olds sellers and ratings.

I would like to hear what the list thinks of me, or someone else, keeping a
list of known "good" and known "bad" internet sellers of Oldsmobile stuff on
a
web site.  I was thinking something like eBay where people could send in
positive or negative recommendations for others.  E.g.:

	John Doe	JDoe@aol.com		(555)585-1234
	Excellent:	5
	Good:		2
	Poor:		0
	Warning:	0

	Stefan Defimone	Kisskreak@prodigy.net	617-331-0655
	Excellent:	0
	Good:		0
	Poor:		0
	Warning:	1
	Known to use aliases and is wanted by police.


I Think this is also a GREAT IDEA.  Something possibly that would be ~great~
to have on a common Site like 442.COM.  Have an option for users comments
and such.  Not promote or advertise another site but they have one here in
Austin which they do the EXACT same thing for various ISPs 

Check it out and let's do this!!

http://www.austin360.com/technology/features/ispguide.html

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:46:16 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Engine Detailing/.030 Under Crank grinding

> Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 16:28:03 -0500
> From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
> Subject: Engine Detailing

> I have a question for the datail gurus--

[SNIP]

> Another opinion:  My crank has to be cut .030 on both the mains and rods.
> The machine shop said that this is no big deal.  All of my buddies
>including myself feel that is too far undersize for hard driving.  Any
> thoughts/experiences?

This is absolutely NO big deal, we used to grind cranks all the time to .030
under all.  Don't sweat it man!!


Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 08:43:00 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: WEB/URL Request for My ~butchered~ floor pan Images

Hey all,
	I'm able to get a hold of a digital camera that we have at work, so
possibly tonight I'm gonna take some pictures of the floor area and show you
exactly what the guy did to TOTALLY screw me (Sorry for the net
UN-etiquette, as this STILL frustrates me after 4 years!!!)
		At this point I am totally uneducated for designing WWW
pages. So What I need is for someone to be willing to post these pictures
(Images) for all Olds' list people top see to they can suggest the proper
repairs. 

Thank you very much,



Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX 

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:05:13 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: REQ: Austin's Good Machine Shop / Body Shop

Hey all,
 I will soon need to get some parts steel shot cleaned.  I know a place in
Round Rock (They Repair Datsun Z cars, North on I-35 Access RD) for doing
Simple Steel shot cleaning.  They ~totally~ shafted my brother by telling
him after they cleaned and polished his crack that it was STD when it was
,010 under size!!!!!

I would like to get the parts blasted and then Epoxy Primed (Unless there is
better stuff out there, I have used POR-15 by brush....).  Tot start it will
be the boxed control arm I get from a `willing sell~ on the list and my Hood
Hinges/Springs.

Question:  Is there a good way to make sure you prime/paint the entire
spring surface on the hood hinges??

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX 

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:12:22 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Radio in!

In a message dated 02/01/1999 11:45:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dstaxpro@lex.infi.net writes:

<< Aint
 nothing sounds like the Doors, Led Zepplin, Hendrix, Iron Butterfly, the
 Stones, Grand Funk, etal when your mellowed out and the music has been
 turned up a few extra notches.   >>

I know I'm asking for trouble and we may get a long thread started, but how
about the BEATLES!! 

I remember seeing them on Ed Sullivan and getting hooked on rock and roll that
I still listen to today.  

Just my .02

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:14:39 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Feasibility of a site with list of Olds sellers and ratings.

In a message dated 02/01/1999 12:02:56 PM Eastern Standard Time,
sreed@chatsworth.com writes:

<<  would like to hear what the list thinks of me, or someone else, keeping a
 list of known "good" and known "bad" internet sellers of Oldsmobile stuff on
 a
 web site.   >>

Maybe Brad could add this to the OCA Site if it's not too much work.

Lou Principe
69 442W-30

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:18:57 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: 72 HURSTOLDS poster

Hi dennis
Thought I'd offer to scan you pic for you. No charge or anything. Just let
me keep the pic. I can then e-mail the pic to you and you can do with it
what you desire. When I was in highschool, a buddy's dad had a '72 H/O.
Always liked those. If your interested, e-mail me privately for my address.

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455 Rocket

ggilpin@wrallp.com


At 08:36 PM 1/31/99 EST, you wrote:
>thanks, guys. only problem is-I dont have any way of scanning it, or even a
>picture of it. I dont really want to sell it, but I could use the money
for my
>project.    dennis 
>
>

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:32:27 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Danbury Mint

Are they planning a W-30? That would be cool. I have the '68 Chevelle. Very
good quality and highly detailed. Even the antenne is metal!. The gas tank
filler door and glove box opens. You can remove the spare tire and jack and
the hood even has an under bumper release!. Very cool. The suspension has
real springs that work too. Any model builders on the list? I get into
intrecate detail on mine with wires and break line and such, hell I even
got a 1/16 scale Vette with keys dangling out of the ignition switch, But
the danbury cars sure can provoke new ideas.

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455




At 07:10 PM 1/29/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Just received a mailer from the Danbury mint for a 69 judge, does anyone
>know if they have the 70 W-30 out yet?
>
>Steven
>70 W-30 convertible
>
>

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:35:44 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Radio in!

Lou0118@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 02/01/1999 11:45:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> dstaxpro@lex.infi.net writes:
> 
> << Aint
>  nothing sounds like the Doors, Led Zepplin, Hendrix, Iron Butterfly, the
>  Stones, Grand Funk, etal when your mellowed out and the music has been
>  turned up a few extra notches.   >>
> 
> I know I'm asking for trouble and we may get a long thread started, but how
> about the BEATLES!!
> 
> I remember seeing them on Ed Sullivan and getting hooked on rock and roll 
that
> I still listen to today.

Thought about including them, Lou, but the loud seemed to work best back
then with the so-called "heavy metal" groups when you were feeling no
pain.  Of course that is a subjective judgement based on the group of
hoodlums I ran around with back then.  Our @#@# of choice was beer,
bourbon (hey it was/is Ky after all) and about anything else we could
mix in the liquor form.  We weren't into drugs, we just enjoyed getting
together and partying when college was out on the weekends.  Loads of
fun and good times.  If you're on the list and still in college, have
all the fun you can legally enjoy.  The freedom and good times of no
responsibility will end soon enough...

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 11:37:29 -0600 (CST)
From: Efton March <eftonm@crss.gar.esys.com>
Subject: New member

>And, for there being 574 members on this list, I sure don't see too many
>posts. I mean, sure there is a decent amount from day to day. But not
>like it could be. I guess maybe most of us like the whole "low list
>traffic" thing. But I just think it would be more interesting if we
>heard from at least 300 different members a day.

OK, I'll bite.  I'm one of the newest of the 574 members on the list, having
subscribed only last Friday.  I have lurked around the Olds areas from time to
time over the last few years, but I'm only now getting involved.

Here's the short version of my story:

A cousin of mine bought a 72 Cutlass 'S' for his wife back in the mid 70's.
 She drove it until about '84 and then sold it to my younger sister.  It was
still in good condition and had reasonable miles.  I was still in college at
the time and loved the car, but couldn't get my sister to trade it to me.  She
didn't take very good care of the car, and less than a year later she rear
ended another car and totalled it.  The grill, bumper, and left front fender
were smashed and the frame was bent, but amazingly, the right fender and both
doors were unscathed.  In fact, both doors still opened and shut like new.  My
dad also loved that car and bought it back from the insurance company at it's
salvage value intending to fix it up and drive it.  Things being as they are,
he couldn't afford to work on it, so the car sat until about 1996 when he found
a 72 Cutlass Supreme for a parts car.  I was finally able to get into the
picture here, and we did some bartering and found someone to put the Supreme
frame under our 'S' and put the front clip on it.  We located an original hood
with the louvers and got the 350 overhauled with a mild cam.  We are getting
ready to put it in the body shop to take care of a couple of rust spots and get
the original orange paint back on.

The interior of the car is shot, but I've seen a couple of companies have seat
kits, head liners and carpets.  Sorry if this has been covered before, but has
anyone had any good or bad experience with the seat cover and headliner kits
and what company have you had the best experience with?  I'm trying to do my
homework here, and I'm going through the Olds archives now, but I've seen
almost nothing on this subject so far.

I've still got a lot of work to do on the car, but I hope to have it on the
road some time this year.  I've waited 15 years, what's a few more months ;)
 I'm sure I'll have lots of questions for the list this year and hopefully I'll
be able to add my own comments as things progress.  From the look of things,
I'll need to go ahead and start looking for some 'S' grills as they have been
discontinued recently.

One other question:  I just saw something mentioned about Dallas.  Is there
some kind of event that I need to be aware of?

Sorry this is so long!

Efton March
Dallas, TX
72 Cutlass 'S'

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:39:47 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Feasibility of a site with list of Olds sellers and ratings.

I think this might work. It also has the potential of making sellers known
that the rest of us didn't know existed. Might just help someone to find a
part they need.

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455 rocket

==========================================================================




At 08:36 AM 2/1/99 -0800, you wrote:
>Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1999 11:29:22 -0700
>From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
>Subject: Feasibility of a site with list of Olds sellers and ratings.
>
>I would like to hear what the list thinks of me, or someone else, keeping a
>list of known "good" and known "bad" internet sellers of Oldsmobile stuff on
>a
>web site.  I was thinking something like eBay where people could send in
>positive or negative recommendations for others.  E.g.:
>
>	John Doe	JDoe@aol.com		(555)585-1234
>	Excellent:	5
>	Good:		2
>	Poor:		0
>	Warning:	0
>
>	Stefan Defimone	Kisskreak@prodigy.net	617-331-0655
>	Excellent:	0
>	Good:		0
>	Poor:		0
>	Warning:	1
>	Known to use aliases and is wanted by police.
>
>
>I Think this is also a GREAT IDEA.  Something possibly that would be ~great~
>to have on a common Site like 442.COM.  Have an option for users comments
>and such.  Not promote or advertise another site but they have one here in
>Austin which they do the EXACT same thing for various ISPs 
>
>Check it out and let's do this!!
>
>http://www.austin360.com/technology/features/ispguide.html
>
>Steve Reed
>'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
>Austin, TX
>
>

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:40:22 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Radio in!

Don,
It is good to see you  back no worse for wear from your trip up north.  Do you
still have a working 8 track player and playable tapes, or am I the only one?
I did the lap around Lansing in '97 with REO Speedwagon playing on the 8
track.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 12:46:36 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Horsepower TV

Just thought of this. 
This coming weekend on TNN's Horspower TV (used to be Hot Rod TV) I saw
previews of some dragracing footage they're gonna have on. There was a blue
and white '70 442 lifting the fronts about 7 or 8 inches off the ground.
Everyone tune in or set your machines. By the way, the '68 442 T/C on my
classic car was very cool. I was considering buying a sister car to that
one. 2dr post, white bench seat. Needed some restoration. No
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to spare though.

Omega Man
'74 Omega 455

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 09:28:08 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Priming of Oil Filter

> Sent: Saturday, January 30, 1999 6:26 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Priming of Engine


> Only trick there is to fill the new filter with oil so that when you fire
> the motor it takes less time to get oil press. 

I would do the same thing with all my cars.  I would also replace fluids and
reinstall filter and then remove and ground the coil wire (Older cars) and
crank the engine over for 15 seconds to prime it.

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin TX

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 13:09:35 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Olds on TV

Don't worry. I'm sure the Mustang, or more appropriately, Donkey driver got
over anxious and left early. Either that or you were seeing an optical
illusion caused by the light reflection off of the 442's shiny chrome
coinsiding with the curvature of your TV screen giving the appearance the
Donkey was further down the track than the 442. Laws of physics prohibit
Donkeys to be faster than 442's. It's in the bible.

Omega Man
455 rocket








At 04:00 PM 1/31/99 -0500, you wrote:
>While the blue w-30 wheels up looked cool.. the white late model rustang
>(wheels wayy up) pulling 2-3 car lengths on the w-30 before mid track
>didn't.. yuck
>
>
>>The My Classic Car episode did contain a dissappoiinting choice of 442's,
>but
>>at least they had an Olds on for a change.  And you must admit, it was in
>>beautiful shape.  The previews for next week's Horsepower TV showed a
>viking
>>blue W30 coming off the line with the front wheels up in the air.
>Hopefully
>>that one will be more impressive!
>>
>>Scott
>>71 442 Conv.
>>
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 12:29:07 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: detailing x-mans

Listmembers,

Hi. 

I bought some stuff called Calyx from Mark Hahan (on list). It's especially 
for cast iron exhaust manifolds. So Far I've used it on one car, one truck, 
& the firebox door on my garage's  wood furnace. My results thus far have 
been mot impressive.  Have only had the stuff for a little over a week, so 
don't know yet about long-term wear.

Having said that, this stuff has made what I applied it to look almost new. 
Seems way better than "cast gray" paint, or anything else I've tried for 
this application.

FWIW

roger hitson

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:25:31 -0500
From: "C Thomas" <cthomas@stny.lrun.com>
Subject: Non olds related 

Speaking of the TV shows this past weekend did anyone catch how banged up
the front end was on that yellow 99 prowler youd think they would have at
least tried to hide it>>>
- -----Original Message-----
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: Olds on TV


>Don't worry. I'm sure the Mustang, or more appropriately, Donkey driver got
>over anxious and left early. Either that or you were seeing an optical
>illusion caused by the light reflection off of the 442's shiny chrome
>coinsiding with the curvature of your TV screen giving the appearance the
>Donkey was further down the track than the 442. Laws of physics prohibit
>Donkeys to be faster than 442's. It's in the bible.
>
>Omega Man
>455 rocket
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>At 04:00 PM 1/31/99 -0500, you wrote:
>>While the blue w-30 wheels up looked cool.. the white late model rustang
>>(wheels wayy up) pulling 2-3 car lengths on the w-30 before mid track
>>didn't.. yuck
>>
>>
>>>The My Classic Car episode did contain a dissappoiinting choice of 442's,
>>but
>>>at least they had an Olds on for a change.  And you must admit, it was in
>>>beautiful shape.  The previews for next week's Horsepower TV showed a
>>viking
>>>blue W30 coming off the line with the front wheels up in the air.
>>Hopefully
>>>that one will be more impressive!
>>>
>>>Scott
>>>71 442 Conv.
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:28:09 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Radio in!

Bravo Don, ya nailed it on the head. Nothing better than tooling in a period
ride, listening to GREAT tunes, reflecting thoughts of our lost youth.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:54:16 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Bile was: How about.... and miscellaneous that apparently ARE Olds 
related.....!

Lou:

<< K:
 Thanks for sharing that with us.
 Lou
 PS I know SOM didn't type that one. >>

Yah.
Karl grouses about ~noise~ on the list.

So sue me.
Or him.
Whatever.

Members need to be aware that well-intentioned or unintentioned additions turn
into excrement on the digest.

And if anyone cares, the "miscellaneous" part was the abridged version with
many carriage returns deleted to conserve some bandwidth.

Heck, it was on the list before, right?

Must be olds-related.

Right???


SOM

&KA

Friends stop friends from posting attached files to the list.

"The squeaky wheel gets replaced."
          - Peter's laws (for obsessive compulsives)

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:05:39 -0500 
From: "Eckart, Douglas A. SFC" <eckartd@emh.gordon.army.mil>
Subject: Pot metal repair/plating

Has anyone had this work done, how well, price, are you satisfied with the
work done?.  My 69 hood moldings need repair, and don't have a bank to buy
NOS.  Thanks

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:08:02 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: Non olds related

In a message dated 99-02-01 13:27:39 EST, you write:

((Possible causes of an optical illusion and then....))

<<  Laws of physics prohibit Donkeys to be faster than 442's. It's in the
bible. >>

Dad burn it!
You had to go and say it.

Now Karl has got it in his head and will ~not~ give up until he crafts the
right phrases in the languages proper for both instances!

In othe words: stay tuned!

SOM

&KA

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:21:01 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Pre-ignition oiling was: Priming and an Idea

In a message dated 99-02-01 11:39:57 EST, you write:

<< Since the hardest thing on an engine is at startup, why
 haven't they made something where as soon as you turn the key on, an
 electric pump pumps oil to all the necessary places and then shuts off
 when your engine starts to run or it senses oil pressure? >>

It is late so gotta make this quick.

Odd that that is still true as the first thing a Curved Dash owner would do is
open the door to access the engine and add oil to the reservoir or whatever
that provided oil for the roller cam. (For some reason a breif covo with J.
Walkinshaw [yup! him!] is fresh in my mind 6 months later).

Would think that prob solved by now.
Instead, just short term gimicky fixes like DuraLube and Prolong (this is NOT
an advert for those, do not use PFTE!!!).

Unfortunately, such a system would either have to be ~majorly~ intrusive into
the engine block, or power the normal oil pump buy a means that does
not..........

Hmmm.........

Yah. 
Steve, you can have in on the royalties if you help with the patent!

SOM

&KA

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:23:43 -0500
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: J-2 intakes

what engines do those fit on? small block only?     i saw those j-2's on
ebay....... and i wondered .

Erik Gertsen-

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:31:27 EST
From: BIGJERMES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pre-ignition oiling was: Priming and an Idea

In a message dated 2/1/99 2:23:58 PM Eastern Standard Time, KarlAune@aol.com
writes:

<< << Since the hardest thing on an engine is at startup, why
  haven't they made something where as soon as you turn the key on, an
  electric pump pumps oil to all the necessary places and then shuts off
  when your engine starts to run or it senses oil pressure? >>
  >>

there is such a system available via summit racing or jegs, (forgot which one)
but its about $400 bucks.  not worth it if you ask me.....  well, unless you
spent 10 grand on an engine.
jeremy
BIGJERMES@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 14:35:04 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: So Sayeth the Lord!  (Was Re: Non olds related)

In a message dated 99-02-01 13:27:39 EST, *someone* wrote:


> <<  Laws of physics prohibit Donkeys to be faster than 442's. It's in the
> bible. >>
  ^^^^^
Must be in the OLDS Testament, eh?


Tim Churchill  tchurchill@draper.com  OCA #30327  Framingham, MA
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, new a.k.a 'Old Gold'
'98 VW Passat GLS Wagon, a.k.a. 'der Kinderwagen'

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:35:35 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: detailing x-mans

In a message dated 2/1/1999 1:17:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, hitson@i1.net
writes:

<< Having said that, this stuff has made what I applied it to look almost new.
>>

I've sen this stuff, even worked on a car that had it applied on the
manifolds.  It cam off on my hands if I touched the manifolds, and resembled
Anti-Sieze compound.  So, I applied some Anti-Seize compound to a set of
manifolds on my car.....  It dried much the same, and seemed pretty durable.
I needed to touch up some areas after washing, but otherwise it looked new all
the time.

SeeYa!
Bill K

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:38:57 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Caravan to Dallas was: My Classic Car Olds

In a message dated 99-02-01 08:13:18 EST, you write:

<< Dave "if I see another OAI hood I may vomit" Wyatt >>

So you are not interested in joining the Great Midwestern Oldmobile Migration
to the 1999 O.C.A. Nationals?

For those who are ~definitely~ in, Karl has just informed his employer that
someone will need to cover his shift for June 20-28 (so many days needs first
dibs). No the Nats aren't that long, but the caravan could well be. Especially
if we are gonna swing by St. Louis, K.C. (((here I come, they got a freaky way
of lovin' there, and I'm gonna get me some....))), and other points of
interest to listmembers.

Sorry, Peg.
You are a little too far out of the way.
(FL, right?)

Would those interested please send to Karl privately to verify?
Good a time as any for route planning.

Thanks.

SOM

&KA

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:40:10 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: J-2 intakes

In a message dated 99-02-01 14:26:31 EST, you write:

<< what engines do those fit on? small block only?  >>

Those are ONLY for 1957-59 371cid motors.

SOM

&KA

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 14:17:29 -0600
From: "Shane" <sgibreal@nctc.net>
Subject: Re: A quick rearend question (Was Rear Springs!)

>

Del,

I'm probably too late but.... I've got an "O" axle rear-end too. I found a
company that makes new custom posi diffs for this housing. They are big $$$
but to me it was worth it. If I remember right, in the "3ish gearing" they
have 3.23 and for sure 3.90 Richmond gears (that's what I have).
The company is Reider Racing 800-522-2707 or 313-946-1330. I believe they
are in California.

Hope this helps.

Shane


> Finally, someone cured my curiousity! I couldn't remember from when I
> replaced my rear springs. Don't you just hate that when you know that
> you've done something but you can't quite remember how you did it? It
> made me want to go out to the garage and drop the rear again just so I
> could remember how it was done! :-)
>
> I got another question since we are on the rear of the car. I figure
> that I will have to find a new rear-end to put in my Cutlass. I have
> that 'O' rear. I would like to keep it if anyone could point me to a
> posi unit and about a mid 3ish gearing. If not, what kind of car
> should I start scowering the yards for? The rearend will have to fit
> in a 69 Olds Cutlass S. I want something that I can buy gears and a
> posi unit for.
>
> Thanks,
> Del
> ==
> Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
> rockman20@yahoo.com
> 1986 Honda Accord DX
> 1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
> 1981 John Deer Snowmobile
> 197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
> 1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:12:32 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Pre-ignition oiling was: Priming and an Idea

Unfortunately, such a system would either have to be ~majorly~ intrusive
into
the engine block, or power the normal oil pump buy a means that does
not..........
__________

Actually, the pre-lube systems that others have talked about are pretty
simple.  They are based on an air over oil (is that the right term?)
accumulator that uses the engine's oil pump to fill this accumulator with
oil.  The accumulator has an internal piston or diaphragm with a gas
(usually nitrogen) on the other side, and filling the accumulator moves the
piston or diaphragm and compresses this gas, which then serves to force the
oil back out upon startup of the motor.  There are check valves and release
valves which control this process.  The accumulator plumbs into the oil
filter pad through an adapter like an oil cooler.

These systems have the added advantage that under high lateral g-loads (as
in during road racing), the accumulator can supply oil during periods when
the oil pickup is temporarily uncovered.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:17:58 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: My Classic Car Olds

>> One more thing.  I just sent MCC a thank you for featuring this
particular
>> model.  Just to let them know that someone does appreciate such a rare
and
>> unusual 4-4-2.


That was a very, very nice car.  All I meant was that the guy (Denis Gauge)
did not sound very enthusiastic about it.  Also, they almost never feature
any other "economy" muscle cars.  We all know that a this 442 could kick ass
against other, equal stuff from Chevy and Ford.  Yes, it is great that they
showed an OLDS for once and also that they showed a nice, rare car like
that.  I guess it is just that the last show I have seen had a 4.10 geared,
6-pack 440 'Cuda that was a little jumpier then this car.  The thing is that
I told all my friends (Chevy guys) to watch the show and it was not quite
what I wanted.  When she put it into first and then shifter 10 min, 15 sec.
later into second, that was a little ugh.  I would be well into my third
gear by then.  It was a nice car though.  I also want to say that any other
old car like that in such shape (weather it is a W-30, LS6 Chevelle, a Delta
or a inline six Caprice) is an awesome car.  For a 30 year old car +, that
really is something (especially with a original interior like that).  Long
live Oldsmobiles.  Igor.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:06:02 -0500 
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Wipers

> ----------
> From: 	Kerry Kroger[SMTP:kerryk@CWIX.com]
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Thursday, May 07, 1998 7:53 AM
> To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 	Re: Wipers
> 
> you must be new as most here already know my feelings on the subject of
> punctuation the car is a 69 (comma) with rotary switch also have a spare
> one
> of those (comma) but weather still sucks (period) And the motor is easier
> than the switch to replace (exclamation point) provided all I want to do
> is
> trouble shoot the problem(row of periods) kk thanx for the input
> 
Stop it, you're killing me ... ROTFL

Incidentally Kerry, Microsoft Exchange said you sent your reply on May 7,
1998 at 7:53am and I didn't receive it until 1/31/1999 at 11:35pm!!!!!  Now
THAT'S what I call heavy internet traffic

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:24:57 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: 15 inch SSI wheels form Coker Tire

Recently (not really, their replay took a while), I e-mailed Coker Tire to
get a price for a set of 15x7 and 15x8 SSIIs with a 5x4.75" and 5x5" bolt
patterns.  This is what they told me.  Just though maybe some of you would
like to know the prices:

>Unfortunately, we can not get a Olds SSII with a 5x5" bolt pattern. We can
>offer you a Olds SSII with a 5x4.75" for the front of your Delta:
>15 x 7 painted silver $85 and chrome for $130 each and UPS estimated for
>each wheel would be between $20 and $36, along with possible broker fee.
>Note this is in US dollars.
>
>If you have any questions feel free to e mail or call me at 800 251 6336
>ex.263.
>
>Thank You,
>
>John Richards

This is to mail it to Calgary, Canada.  The price seems good (too much for
me, multiply that by 1.5 to get Canadian dollar value, + 7% GST tax, etc.).
They are cool rims, though.  Igor.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:29:34 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Non olds related 

>Speaking of the TV shows this past weekend did anyone catch how banged up
>the front end was on that yellow 99 prowler youd think they would have at
>least tried to hide it>>>


Yup.  I thought that they would mention it, but nothing.  Ohhh, well.
Should get one of those bodies and put a 455/th700/3.55 combo in it.  Read:
AIRBORNE.  Would be cool.

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 15:44:50 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: My Classic Car Olds

>That was a very, very nice car.  All I meant was that the guy (Denis Gauge)
>did not sound very enthusiastic about it.  
clipped>>


If you ask me, I don't think Dennis Gage would know two shits about muscle
cars if it weren't for cue cards. With that goofy mustashe and hat he looks
like he should be putting around in the horseless carrage, sipping tea and
having lenghthy conversations about his knickers. NOT riding around in the
rare classic muscle that half of us would kill to get a ride in and
speaking with obvious UN-knowlege about them. He's almost as bad as having
to listen to the 'american dream' announce monster truck shows. Let Army
Armstrong host My Classic Car. At least he can get his whole mustashe under
one hat.

Omega Man

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:55:58 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: J-2 intakes

'57 and '58 371 only from the factory, though I suppose you could retrofit
it to a '59 or '60 371.  (The 371 hung around in LC 2bbl form as a base
"economy" engine after the introduction of the 394.)
Regards,
Fred
- -----Original Message-----
From: Erik Gertsen <ainode@frontiernet.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, February 01, 1999 2:24 PM
Subject: J-2 intakes


>what engines do those fit on? small block only?     i saw those j-2's on
>ebay....... and i wondered .
>
>Erik Gertsen-
>
>

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:17:09 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: detailing x-mans

>In a message dated 2/1/1999 1:17:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, hitson@i1.net
>writes:
>
><< Having said that, this stuff has made what I applied it to look almost new.
>>>
>
>I've sen this stuff, even worked on a car that had it applied on the
>manifolds.  It cam off on my hands if I touched the manifolds, and 
resembled  <snipped>.
>
>SeeYa!
>Bill K

Bill,

Don't know yet about the x-mans on which I have applied Calyx, but I know 
that the coating I put on my furnace firebox door does not come off on my 
hands. ( I did wipe it down after a day's use & some came off.)

roger

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 16:11:54 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Caravan to Dallas was: My Classic Car Olds

As much as I would like to go to the Big D, I will not have the Olds in
presentable condition by then.  Also due to other commitments (oldest son
returning to space camp, youngest son running the full season in Jr. Dragster,
mortgage payment, light bill, food, etc.) I will not have the cash to make the
trip.  Is New Jersey in the forecast for 2000?  I don't know yet.  I will be
tearing the Olds apart this year as soon as I get my m*libu parts chaser up to
snuff.  As I explained to my son last night, certain things must take place in
a certain order before I can start on the Olds.  It is a long journey made of
many short trips.

Dave Wyatt
70   4-4-2
One of two four speed '70 4-4-2's at Lansing that did NOT have OAI!

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:08:41 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Edelbrock Performer 455 Modification for O.A.I.???

> Date: Sun, 31 Jan 1999 23:57:57 EST
> From: Oldsfire@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Edelbrock Performer 455

> Igor, the edelbrock performer is a very good manifold,  work much better
on my
> 66 425 than the stock cast iron one.  That price is high but it may be ok
for
> Canada!!1

Since all this talk has come up with he Performer intake, I was thinking of
buying one and removing my Torker ][.  How much higher does the performer
sit Vs. Stock steel manifold?  Would it be possible to machine the carb
mating surface down that distance, or would it severely affect the way the
manifold would work?   [Joe P. Any thoughts??]


What IS the height difference?


- -Steve

Is suppose if worse came to worse and I WON the lottery I could Extrude hone
the stock steel intake??  {Yeah, that'll happen!!}

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 15:18:31 -0600 
From: Doug Newman <newmand@WCBI.com>
Subject: Re: More Work!

John Pajak wrote:
	
	<snip>

	It's a 307 Y motor with about 95K miles...

	I'm late getting in on this thread, so if this has already been
addressed, my apologies...

	John, this is an '87 442, right?  Has the engine been replaced,
or is this the #'s matching motor?  If so, you have a 307 "9", not a
"Y".  I've been told by a good parts man that besides the slight
difference in HP, the "9" also has a few subtle differences.  He showed
me a diagram where the belt routings were different.  When I had my
belts replaced in Jan. of '94, I'm pretty sure the shop I use installed
"Y" belts, because they squeaked like the devil as soon as they were
installed.  I had the car tuned up early last spring, and I went by the
Olds dealer and bought plugs, belts, etc. that were specific to a "9"
engine so I'd be sure the shop didn't buy inferior/wrong parts.  That
did the trick - no more squealing belts.  I know this doesn't help your
gasket problem, but it's something to keep in mind whenever you do any
work, IF you still have the original engine.

	Hope this helps,

Doug Newman         OCA # 30311
Columbus, MS         1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html               1987 442
http://www.442.com/newmantape.html        Centennial Tape Info.  
	   


	

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 13:14:42 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: REQ:  One Boxed Ctrl Arm (1970)

Looking for one boxed control arm, don't care if it's rusty as the one I
have is.  Please reply if you can help me out one part at a time

Thanks everyone!

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Mon, 01 Feb 1999 16:31:07 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Wipers

Hi,
   I didn't intend to be offensive, merely humorous. Unfortunately sometimes
I'm the only person who gets my jokes :-) Anyway, I think the problem would
be caused by the wiper park switch or circuit like another poster mentioned.
Good luck,
TTYL,
Gene

At 07:53 AM 5/7/98 -0500, you wrote:
>you must be new as most here already know my feelings on the subject of
>punctuation the car is a 69 (comma) with rotary switch also have a spare one
>of those (comma) but weather still sucks (period) And the motor is easier
>than the switch to replace (exclamation point) provided all I want to do is
>trouble shoot the problem(row of periods) kk thanx for the input
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>

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Date: Mon, 1 Feb 1999 14:02:35 -0800 
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: To rebuild or not to rebuild

Olds heads,
I'm in need of your advice. I'm thinking about whether it's time to redo the
455 in my 98 in time for Summer99. 

What's wrong:
The motor has about 100K miles on it, rebuilt +.0030 about ten years ago. It
has had uneven compression for at least the last three years resulting in a
mildly rough idle. It leaks or burns about a quart of oil every 250 miles
which is messy, but it doesn't bother me too much. Just have to stay on top
of it. The motor mounts need replacing. The tranny leaks when I don't drive
it,  I think because the seals dry up. This has been annoying me for years.
I must have cleaned up my garage 10 times.

Why now? 
Lately it developed a tick which my mechanic thought is in the valve train,
perhaps a worn out rocker arm pedastel. Apparently as these wear, they rise
enough to create slop where the push rod meets the rocker. At part throttle,
this tick develops into a bad rattle which I thought might just be an
exhaust leak, but I tightened all the usual suspect bolts. I'm suspicious
that this rattle is more serious than the rocker pedastel and might leave me
stranded somewhere. So I'm not driving it much. 

I can replace a worn pedastel, but with the other various problems it brings
up the question of whether it's just time to go through it once again. 

I'm kind of leaning in the rebuild direction, but wanted your thoughts on
the +'s and -'s. I have never pulled a motor myself, but am thinking about
tackling it because my mechanic really doesn't want to do the job. Meaning
it will be expensive just to remove and replace the motor. Before we even
get into rebuilding it. Also I'm not sure we could get it finished before
Summer hits here -- May or June. 

I won't be selling the car so it doesn't bother me to put say $2500 or so
into the drivetrain. What's a realistic number for a good, mostly stock
rebuild, R&R and tranny? 

My choice is really to replace the rocker arm pivots and motor mounts and
drive it through Summer or get going on rebuilding now. 

Whaddya think?

TIA
cf

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