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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, February 4 1999     Volume 01 : Number 1754



Re: this day in history
Re: Headers Real Benefit
Re: black oil
Re: Inter State Emission testing?
Re: Inter State Emission testing?
RE: Headers Real Benefit
Re: Helping out the President
Re: Headers Real Benefit
Re: SX question
Re: A.I.R. Manifold availability?
Re: Inter State testing?
Re: Engine Builder -Reply
Re: Engine Builder -Reply -Reply
'70 O.A.I. Intakes & Such Talk Recommendations [Be Gentle....]
Re: SX question
Re: '70 O.A.I. Intakes & Such Talk Recommendations [Be Gentle....]
Re: SX question
Re: valve cover leaking
Re: stalling...
Re: rip-off artist
Re: More 455 Head IDs
SV: Personal Plates
non olds (sorry)
What's Purple and Horny.....?
something Olds related on MTV!
Re: What's Purple and Horny.....?
Re: '70 O.A.I. Intakes & Such Talk Recommendations [Be Gentle....]
Re: stalling...
Re: 442 Stripes
Re: HURST/OLDS PRICES
Re: Got the 455 Performer
Re: A.I.R. Manifold availability?
Re: List Language (was Re: Black Oil)
Re: rip-off artist
Re: List Language (was Re: Black Oil)
Re: Intake Manifold Install
Re: HURST/OLDS PRICES
Re: List Language
Re: HURST/OLDS PRICES
Re: Intake Manifold Install
P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)
Re: List Language
Restore or not (preferences)
No Number info
Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)
Re: List Language
Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)
Re: HURST/OLDS PRICES
Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)
Re: No Number info
Subscribing commands
Re: Just thinking
parts for sale
Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)
oldsmobile history center
Re: Headers Real Benefit
Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)
Re: No Number info
Anyone in South Carolina?
Re: black oil
Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)
Smokin' SOM
Language and ebay
Re: parts for sale
2,000's hit
Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)
Re: parts for sale

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 13:19:54 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: this day in history

I just remembered an interesting little tid-bit. How many of you knew that
the very first Super Sport ever made was an Oldsmobile? Way way back in the
'20's Olds made a limited run of Super Sport touring sedans. Just a little
more trivia for ya to ponder.

Omega Man

'74 Omega S 455
'74 Omega 455/4spd






At 12:54 PM 2/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Trivia----
>-- 1941: Seventy-six-year-old Ransom Eli Olds receives his last
>auto            
>         patent for an internal combustion engine design.
>
>         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>               Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)  OCA# 4903
>                             1970 W30 (red)
>
>                      mailto:drdecal@wwnet.net
>                      mailto:mcornea@ford.com
>
>                    Visit http://www.drdecal.com
>        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:42:09 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: Headers Real Benefit

Has anyone experimented with smoothing the insides of the exhaust
manifolds to remove some of the irregularities in the casting?

I know there's Extrude Hone ($$$), but what about using a long flex
shaft grinder? A pain I suppose.

- --
David Brown          Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:04:27 -0800 (PST)
From: jalkara <jalkara@whidbey.net>
Subject: Re: black oil

sounds like the body shop is the cause of your black oil, extended idling
causes some greif in many things
as for bad language
i thought this forum was kinda like a bunch of guys standing around in the
garage and that language would be on the bottom end of mild in all
conversations i have ever heard taking place in a garage full of people,
including ones with mixed sexes.
i mean if you got to be so politically correct it is time for you to sell
your gas powered olds and buy an electric car or better yet just walk
everywhere so there will be more gas for me to waste while im burning
rubberr like crazy

47rocket98

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:44:44 -0600 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?

What is required to prove that your new design, say (for example) dual
converters IS compliant with EPA standards??  Like the CARB approval?  Or my
new design on EGR valve operation is better, or my new EFI is better for
emissions...

If I design a new dual cat system that I have determined through my own
testing will meet or exceed emissions requirements of CA or FED, how do I
get CARB or Fed approval to use it on my own car, and further, later for
sale to the public?

Just a blanket law saying that you can't change is not fair to the people
who CAN design something that works.  And maybe I can design something that
works better!  Edelbrock and other companies make parts that replace
emissions devices and they have the big $$ to get the approvals, what about
the little guys?  Just stepped on?

There should be some way to get a waiver from the state or fed saying that
this device installed as such is compliant with EPA laws and does not
degrade emissions levels.....yada yada yada.

Anyone have any info?

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:46:54 -0600
From: Shang <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?

Same cutoffs already in effect here in Texas.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme


> 
> Actually, you'd rather be forced to meet the Calif standards!  SB42, passed
> last year, exempts all 1973 and earlier cars in California from emissions
> testing.  Starting in 2003, it turns into a rolling 30 year cutoff.
> 
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
> 
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:48:15 -0500 
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: Headers Real Benefit

> Has anyone experimented with smoothing the insides of the exhaust
> manifolds to remove some of the irregularities in the casting?
> 
> I know there's Extrude Hone ($$$), but what about using a long flex
> shaft grinder? A pain I suppose.
> 
When I asked for some recommendations for rebuilding my W-31 motor, Greg
Rollin at Supercars recommended hogging out the stock exhaust manifolds as
much as possible.  But needless to say, the only thing I've done so far with
the rebuild is buy a timing chain set.

Also, at the Nats in Springfield during the Mondello tech seminar, Joe
(Mondello) recommended against extrude honing stock exhaust manifolds.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 13:57:14 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Helping out the President

Sorry for the non-olds, but thought this cute

<<  A Marine colonel on his way home from work at the Pentagon
  came to a dead halt in traffic and thought to himself, "Wow,
  this traffic seems worse than usual. Nothing's even moving."
  He notices a police officer walking back and forth between
  the lines of cars so he rolls down his window and asks,
  "Excuse me, Officer, what's the hold up?"

  The Officer replies, "The President is just so depressed
  about the impeachment thing he stopped his motorcade in the
  middle of the Beltway and he's threatening to douse himself
  in gasoline and set himself on fire. He says his family hates
  him and he doesn't have the $33.5 million he owes his
  lawyers. I'm walking round taking up a collection for him".

  "Oh really?  How much have you collected so far?"

  "So far only about a hundred gallons but I've got a lot of
  folks still siphoning." >>

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:03:35 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Headers Real Benefit

In a message dated 2/4/99 1:44:20 PM EST, dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu writes:

<< Has anyone experimented with smoothing the insides of the exhaust
 manifolds to remove some of the irregularities in the casting? >>

No, but......I've spray-painted the insides of my exhaust extensions with 1500
deg. temp. and virtually eliminated the rust deposits from the water in the
gas. Does that count?
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv. (duals of course)

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 14:07:23 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: SX question

>Do you know what the correct stamping should be on the heads? 

Original 1971 455 heads should have a "G" casting letter (you can look up
the six-digit casting number in the FAQ).

>Also is this car
>rare? It has the rally-pac and the dual gate shifter. I really don't know
much
>about the SX so if anybody can help...

Yes, it is rather rare, and those options make it rarer (for some reason,
most SX's seem to have come with standard idiot lights and the standard
console; part of the luxury over the performance emphasis, maybe...). If
you have a chance to buy that car, and you can afford it, then do so!
Before I find out where it is and buy it out from under you! :)
________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	    MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:16:09 EST
From: RmeCbtEngr@aol.com
Subject: Re: A.I.R. Manifold availability?

AutoZone stocks the A.I.R. pipes, or can special order them for you 

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:19:33 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re: Inter State testing?

>Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 06:44:29 -0600
>From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?

[SNIP]

>It is somewhat similar to window tint I would think.  In VA they only
>allow 30% on any window.  My trucks registered in TN and has
>5% tint on most of it.  I stayed in VA for 6 months and never had
>any problem ~except~ with the MP's on post.  And trust me, in
>VA they will check your tint on the side of the road!  Same people
>who brought you the radar detector detector (VG2).

Mike,
	I can confirm this type of testing.  When I moved to Austin from
Woodstock, NY, I drove my Honda W/Tinted windows back through Saugerties
(The 25th reunion site town) ~notorious~ for making people peel/scrape the
tint from your windows if it was more than 30% (Heck it happened to me
before I moved), the cops didn't bother with me since I had Texas plates on
my car.

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:31:27 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Builder -Reply

>Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:18:32 -0500
>From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
>Subject: Re: Engine Builder -Reply

>Steve,

>I am in Western Pa. I was vague as not to eliminate some by geography.

>Tony Molinaro
>69 442 4-spd
>Aliquippa, Pa

>>Tony,
>>	You've gotta give us a little more information, geographic.  Where
>>the heck are ya?

>>Steve Reed
>>'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
>>Austin, TX

Tony,
	I just though you might have wanted to get the engine built by a
local guy.  No disrespect intended.

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 14:46:07 -0500
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Builder -Reply -Reply

>>> "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com> Thursday, February 4,
1999 >>>
>Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:18:32 -0500
>From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
>Subject: Re: Engine Builder -Reply

>Steve,

>I am in Western Pa. I was vague as not to eliminate some by geography.

>Tony Molinaro
>69 442 4-spd
>Aliquippa, Pa

>>Tony,
>>	You've gotta give us a little more information, geographic.  Where
>>the heck are ya?

>>Steve Reed
>>'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
>>Austin, TX

Tony,
	I just though you might have wanted to get the engine built by a
local guy.  No disrespect intended.

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:58:59 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: '70 O.A.I. Intakes & Such Talk Recommendations [Be Gentle....]

OK all,
	My BIG decision with my restification is to use an Edelbrock
Performer or an original Olds Al (W-30 ?) Intake on the engine.  Yes I know
the restrictions of the OAI, but will they make a big difference on an
engine that is worked anyway.  I'm just real undecided, ~IS~ there a real
performance improvement in the Performer (Stupid question I know, 20+ more
years of engineering involved here....)

I'm just real confused especially since I don't have an OAI setup to begin
with, but do have the proper hood.

My car can been seen here (Self Promotion):

http://www.flash.net/~texas442/sr-442.html

More pictures will come this weekend when I get a digital camera from work
to do the Interior BUTCHERED floor pans.

I ~appreciate any~ reply/response, as I am very undecided at this point in
the game.

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:07:51 -0500
From: Jeff Howell <howell@bbt.com>
Subject: Re: SX question

Can you tell where exactly this letter will be stamped? I think I saw a "KA"
stamped just below the valve cover on the front left hand side.

Robert Barry wrote:

> >Do you know what the correct stamping should be on the heads?
>
> Original 1971 455 heads should have a "G" casting letter (you can look up
> the six-digit casting number in the FAQ).
>
> >Also is this car
> >rare? It has the rally-pac and the dual gate shifter. I really don't know
> much
> >about the SX so if anybody can help...
>
> Yes, it is rather rare, and those options make it rarer (for some reason,
> most SX's seem to have come with standard idiot lights and the standard
> console; part of the luxury over the performance emphasis, maybe...). If
> you have a chance to buy that car, and you can afford it, then do so!
> Before I find out where it is and buy it out from under you! :)
> ________________________________________________
> Bob Barry           MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
> http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:10:25 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: '70 O.A.I. Intakes & Such Talk Recommendations [Be Gentle....]

Steve,

I assume the car isn't an original W-30, otherwise you wouldn't be asking
the question.  I'd go with the aftermarket intake, assuming you can live
with the fact that the O.A.I. adapter won't fit (you'll need one of Greg
Rollin's cut out units).  If you want the O.A.I. to look stock, you'll need
to keep the W-intake (assuming you already have one - otherwise, spend the
$600+ elsewhere).

Oh, if you _do_ have a correct early 70 intake (OLDSMOBILE W-455 instead of
OLDS W-455), I'll be happy to take it off your hands.  ;-)

I currently have an incorrect 71-72 intake for my 70.  (Oh, the shame of it
all...)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:13:30 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: SX question

Can you tell where exactly this letter will be stamped? I think I saw a
"KA"
stamped just below the valve cover on the front left hand side.
_________

That's the one.  Ka heads are 73-76 marine/irrigation/service replacement
heads.  Big valves, hardened seats.  Not original, but not a bad choice for
street driving on today's gasoline.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:22:32 EST
From: Oldscutaw@aol.com
Subject: Re: valve cover leaking

It should be the gasket or maybe the person who put the cover on forgot to put
the sealant. Check to make sure that its not form the intake or the cylinder
heads. 

Alex
69 olds cut S

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:24:53 EST
From: Oldscutaw@aol.com
Subject: Re: stalling...

Check your timing. I had a problem with that too. Also check your vacume
pressure and make sure all of your spark plug wires are on tight.

Alex
69 olds cut S

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:28:57 PST
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: rip-off artist

> Name: Stefan Defimone, Steve DiFimone, Stephen Diangelo, etc.
>
> Phone: 617-xxx-xxxx
> 
> E-mail address: Kisskreak@prodigy.net
> 
> If this person contacts you, do not send him money in any shape
> or form. If you have caller ID, call the Boston Police department
> with the phone number right away. They want him bad.

(Wow, it's amazing how much piles up when you lose your Internet
connection for three days...)

Speaking of phone numbers, the one given above does trace to 
somebody, though the registered name is nowhere near "Stefan" or
"Steven" or anything like that. Rather than post it again, I thought
I'd ask how this number came to be associated with that guy that 
you're all looking for... and whether you typed it accurately when 
posting it to the Olds list? (No flame intended here; just trying to 
get the details straight...)

- -- Andy

______________________________________________________
Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:32:10 -0500
From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Subject: Re: More 455 Head IDs

>Tony,
>Great info and FAQ material! Now, what about small block heads?
>
>Based upon dampers meaning large valves on BBs,
 Maybe it was just the W-31 cars
>that had the larger valves?
>--

David --

Keep in mind that the big valve damper rule only applies to E,Ga,and J
heads. All D, F, H, K and Ka heads were large valve and will have dampers
too. All B, and most C heads will have dampers on both big and small valve
units so a removal and measurements will be needed.

As far as small blocks go, I am more familiar with 330's.  I have done work
on many 350's and 307's but I am less vested in knowledge as I am in big
blocks, but here goes!

W-31 motors were the only 2-inch small block heads, exept for the 200 HP
403's that were in 77 Toro's and I believe 77-78 Trans Ams?

1970 and 1972-up small blocks did not have dampers.  In 1971, Olds did not
run valve rotators on intake valves (Gotta check on this to be sure, could
be exhaust) The springs without rotators got dampers on small blocks in
1971. Before 1970 I believe all small block heads had dampers.

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 442 W-31
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-speed
84 Hurst/Olds
85 Cutlass Salon
92 Seville STS

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:08:38 +0100
From: "Trond-Jarle Pedersen" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: SV: Personal Plates

Over here personal plates isnt alowed
But i am able to chose betwen :O 455 and W45569
think of that W plate writen like this: W455`69 (illegal of course but...)


Trond-Jarle Pedersen
ICQ:15898213
mailto:trondped@c2i.net

69 F-85

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:26:29 +0100
From: "Trond-Jarle Pedersen" <trondped@c2i.net>
Subject: non olds (sorry)

Fellow oldsheads.
I have a just got a Cheby Malibu stw as payment on a job i just did.
I will be parting it out and selling the parts (over here that is)
it`s a 79 mod european sold car.
the thing is: it has a 327 engine sitting there (68 said the former owner)
how can i figure out witch type it is? Hp? it has a after marked intake so
thats no help.
where is the engine nr lokated and how can i desifer it?
it also has a 10-bolt rear end.
witch typy? it dosent look like a 7.5" to me but how do i id it?
pleas help me out so that i can use the mony to buy OLDSMOBILE parts.


Trond-Jarle Pedersen
ICQ:15898213
mailto:trondped@c2i.net

69 F-85

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:35:33 -0400
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: What's Purple and Horny.....?

Why, Purple Hornies Header Mufflers. You sick people, I knew what you
were thinking!!!!! :-)

Anyway, I was wondering if anybody has ever tried these. They look
pretty cool and are surprisingly cheap. I was thinking about trying
these. BTW- they can be found on page 57 of the most current Jeg's mag.
I wonder if they're quiet enough to get away with on the street?

Any answers??????? 
- -- 
***********
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
***********************
'70 Olds Cutlass 'S'
'73 Olds Cutlass Supreme
'75 Olds Cutlass 'S'
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
*******************************************

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:44:12 -0400
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: something Olds related on MTV!

I was just watching, and while they were cutting for a commercial break,
they showed a pole with street signs on them. On of them said "W 46 st"
I saw that and thought all you H/O owners out there might appreciate
that.
- -- 
***********
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
***********************
'70 Olds Cutlass 'S'
'73 Olds Cutlass Supreme
'75 Olds Cutlass 'S'
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
*******************************************

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:50:05 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: What's Purple and Horny.....?

You mean someone is actually making these things again?  I had not heard of
them since the real early 70's.  They were nothing more than a large diameter
glasspack header muffler.  I believe they may have been one of the first
header mufflers at that.  Of course if they started making these again, that
means 4 track tape decks,  8 tracks,
then...........................................................  Hey, maybe
they will start making real 4-4-2's again!

Gotta go, time for my medication.
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:50:40 -0500
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: '70 O.A.I. Intakes & Such Talk Recommendations [Be Gentle....]

Steve,

In that last reply I thought you meant O.A.I. as in Outside Air Induction.
You're talking about a W-30 Aluminum intake. You won't see any pick up in
performance as the W-30 intakes are indentical to the cast iron ones. Only
diff is they are lighter. They don't breather any better........and are
rather expensive. ($500-$1000)
go with the Performer for increased flow.

Ok.......maybe I'm a bit confused. After reading further, you are talking
about Outside Air Induction. You don't need the W-30 intake to install
O.A.I. . If you go with the Performer check height difference with the
original intake as I would be concerned with the O.A.I. air cleaner setup
sitting too high or too low to properly seal. I could foresee hood closure
problems. Just a thought,I wouldn't want you damaging your carb, air cleaner
or hood.

Nice car!!!!!

Randy

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:08:59 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: stalling...

In a message dated 2/4/99 6:04:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, KingD@sx.com
writes:

<< My 79 Cutlass Salon was a bit sluggish on pickup.  I replaced the
 in-line fuel filter on the 231V6 / 2BBL setup.  It seemed to start 
 better but now it stalls at lights sometimes.  Is there something
 I could have done?  Replacing the fuel filter is a pretty basic thing
 and I pulled a couple of vacuum hoses off the carb to get at the
 fuel inlet but I checked them and they are on good.
 
 Any ideas?
 
 Darren King >>

     Hi Darren. No offense, but there is no way you got the fuel filter in
backwards? I don't know what kind we are talking about here..it may not even
matter on the one you are using? Dorian

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 16:28:45 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: 442 Stripes

> >Can anyone describe the side stripes that a 71 442 (non W-30) should have?
> >Are they the same as the W-30 (wide below narrow) or are they different and
> >how? Anyone know of any well-published photos?

Yep.  For the side stripes, they're a 3/16" fat stripe centered between
two 1/16" smaller stripes, with 1/8" space between the fat and thin
stripes.   I got some crude drawings with dimensions somewhere (gotta
look for em) stashed away when I redid my 71.  The original stripes were
on the car when I got it, so I did some measuring before the repaint. 
Like all painted on stripes of that day, slight variances were noticed,
but I cleaned that up when I redid my side stripes.  I do recall
however, that there was 3/4" space from the top of the stripe to the
bottom of the front fender "442" emblems.  This might get you
started....

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 16:42:51 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: HURST/OLDS PRICES

> How much are 68 and 69 H/O's going for these days?
> What about 70 W30's?

How much you willing to spend?  This is a "all depends" type question. 
One that needs lots of work is going for around 6K plus or minus.  The
better the shape, the more it will be.  you can get super nice examples
for around 20K.  Shop around.  While the H/Os will always be in short
supply, a few more W-30s may be available.  Here's my advice.  Pick out
the car of your dreams and get that one.  Don't settle just because you
kinda like it but there's another one that you REALLY wanted.  Seldom
are you happy until you get that car of your dreams.  In the midst of my
own H/O resto, I'm here to tell you that if I were gonna do it all over
again I think I'd buy a finished product, or one that needs only
cosmetic resto.  Ain't worth all the headaches anymore to me.

Mike Rothe

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:46:29 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: Got the 455 Performer

>Igor,
>    I just did this a week ago so I will tell you what I did.  By the way I
>installed the Edelbrock manifold and cam(214/224 @.050 and 0.474/0.496
lift)
>as a combo.


James,

What did you replace and how much of an improvement did it make.  Are you
running headers, and if not, what kind of exhaust.  What about gears.
Thanks.  Igor.

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:50:39 CST
From: "matt gonstead" <mgonstead@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: A.I.R. Manifold availability?

Way back when during the times my car had emmisions I broke the air tube 
and had to replace it. I got a new one off the ''HELP!" rack in the 
local parts store. It cost me $25.  Did you check a junkyard for one?   
matt

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:51:11 -0700
From: "Igor T. '81 DRB 455" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: List Language (was Re: Black Oil)

>This is, after all, a public forum, with many eyes of different tastes,
>temperments and ages, which we should keep in mind before clicking on the
>"send message" button. This is not a nod to political correctness, but
>rather to basic civility and decency.


Fine.  But like you said, Different tastes, ALL tastes. Sorry!  Just a
little steam from that dip-stick.  But come-on, many people have used THOSE
words before and no one jumped at them.  If I don't like it, I ignore it.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:05:45 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: rip-off artist

The number given is only (now) answered by an answering/voice mail service
and a number this individual might call from is possibly a home address that
could be given to the cops.

- -----Original Message-----

>> Name: Stefan Defimone, Steve DiFimone, Stephen Diangelo, etc.
>>
>> Phone: 617-xxx-xxxx
>>
>> E-mail address: Kisskreak@prodigy.net
>>
>> If this person contacts you, do not send him money in any shape
>> or form. If you have caller ID, call the Boston Police department
>> with the phone number right away. They want him bad.
>
>(Wow, it's amazing how much piles up when you lose your Internet
>connection for three days...)
>
>Speaking of phone numbers, the one given above does trace to
>somebody, though the registered name is nowhere near "Stefan" or
>"Steven" or anything like that. Rather than post it again, I thought
>I'd ask how this number came to be associated with that guy that
>you're all looking for... and whether you typed it accurately when
>posting it to the Olds list? (No flame intended here; just trying to
>get the details straight...)
>
>-- Andy
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:16:42 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: List Language (was Re: Black Oil)

Just in poor taste, that's all. It offends some, me included. It's a public
forum which makes ignoring it much more difficult. Appropriate language
offends no one regardless of your TASTE in conversation.

- -----Original Message-----

>Fine.  But like you said, Different tastes, ALL tastes. Sorry!  Just a
>little steam from that dip-stick.  But come-on, many people have used THOSE
>words before and no one jumped at them.  If I don't like it, I ignore it.
>
>

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 14:16:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Install

<snip>  Never had a problem with the steel "tub" intake gaskets
> and like the fact that it keeps the intake nice and dry.  Just take
> your time making sure the intake is sitting square and torque
> it down in sequence.
==============================
I hate to sound like a complete "newbie" here, but does anyone use any
silicone on their intake? Is there anything special that should be
done when mating an aftermarket aluminum intake to an old block? 

Del
==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:16:43 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: HURST/OLDS PRICES

I have to agree with Mike, buy the car of your dreams rather than something
else for other reasons.  I know people who have bought cars that they
themselves called ugly but were rare, they never were happy with them and they
ended up selling them.

I, however, have some sort of masochistic problem because I get more excited
seeing an old beater that has potential then a restored car.  I was looking
around a H/O page and I found myself lusting after the before photos.  For me
the restoration is the hobby and the finished car is just the result.  To each
their own.

"Mike Rothe." wrote:
> 
> > How much are 68 and 69 H/O's going for these days?
> > What about 70 W30's?
> 
> How much you willing to spend?  This is a "all depends" type question.
> One that needs lots of work is going for around 6K plus or minus.  The
> better the shape, the more it will be.  you can get super nice examples
> for around 20K.  Shop around.  While the H/Os will always be in short
> supply, a few more W-30s may be available.  Here's my advice.  Pick out
> the car of your dreams and get that one.  Don't settle just because you
> kinda like it but there's another one that you REALLY wanted.  Seldom
> are you happy until you get that car of your dreams.  In the midst of my
> own H/O resto, I'm here to tell you that if I were gonna do it all over
> again I think I'd buy a finished product, or one that needs only
> cosmetic resto.  Ain't worth all the headaches anymore to me.
> 
> Mike Rothe

- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:37:50 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: List Language

Guys...

I am slowly getting offended by the volume of this discussion. <GRIN> 
Everybody made his point, so let's go back to olds related stuff!

To make a start with a non Olds but at least mobile note: 
By the way, I told the list about the accident I was involved in. I was 
kinda worried if I get decent money from the other guys insurance for a 
minor damage to my Non Olds classic dayly driver. Well, things turned out 
well, I got a decent check this week! I will spray some paint on the 
daily driver and save the money for my olds paint job!

Have a great evening with your Oldsmobiles!
George
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

> Just in poor taste, that's all. It offends some, me included. It's a public
> forum which makes ignoring it much more difficult. Appropriate language
> offends no one regardless of your TASTE in conversation.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> >Fine.  But like you said, Different tastes, ALL tastes. Sorry!  Just a
> >little steam from that dip-stick.  But come-on, many people have used THOSE
> >words before and no one jumped at them.  If I don't like it, I ignore it.
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:46:20 -0500
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: HURST/OLDS PRICES

I just checked the price watch page of Oct/Nov '98 issue of T&L.

They show the following: '68 H/O, 9 ads, High price $56,000 (yes 56K), Low
price $3,950, most common $4,500 - $5,900

'69 H/O 5 ads, High $27,500, Low $5,500, Most Common $19,500 -$20,000.

Hope this helps,
Randy

>How much are 68 and 69 H/O's going for these days?
>What about 70 W30's?
>I'm gettin the itch.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:44:04 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Install

Del, 

In my opinion you should put some silicone in the four corners where the 
intake mates with the heads and block in the back and front. I am against 
silicone in most gasket procedures but I put silicone in all the 
"corners" that appear for ex. also in the corners of the oil pan. I think 
that is what most people do, but we better wait on the other opinions...

Regards,
George
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, 4 Feb 1999, Rock Man wrote:

> <snip>  Never had a problem with the steel "tub" intake gaskets
> > and like the fact that it keeps the intake nice and dry.  Just take
> > your time making sure the intake is sitting square and torque
> > it down in sequence.
> ==============================
> I hate to sound like a complete "newbie" here, but does anyone use any
> silicone on their intake? Is there anything special that should be
> done when mating an aftermarket aluminum intake to an old block? 
> 
> Del
> ==
> Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
> rockman20@yahoo.com
> 1986 Honda Accord DX
> 1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
> 1981 John Deer Snowmobile
> 197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
> 1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
> _________________________________________________________
> DO YOU YAHOO!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:53:34 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)

       Anyone have any contact numbers for PAW? I can't find anything on the
web for them, and I would like to get in touch with them. Anyone have good/bad
experiences with them? Thanks, Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 16:58:02 -0600
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: List Language

To all:
Agree with George, as I have been an offender in the past I have tried to
clean up my posting. If I offend anyone please email me privately and I
shall endeavor to make amends. Onward and upward.
Lou
- ----------
> From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
> To: OldsML <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Re: List Language
> I am slowly getting offended by the volume of this discussion. <GRIN> 
> Everybody made his point, so let's go back to olds related stuff!
 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:08:43 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Restore or not (preferences)

> I, however, have some sort of masochistic problem because I get more excited
> seeing an old beater that has potential then a restored car.  I was looking
> around a H/O page and I found myself lusting after the before photos.  For me
> the restoration is the hobby and the finished car is just the result. 

Cliff, you are correct in the fact that you can "envision" the finished
product on a beater.  It doesn't matter to me the condition either.
Restoring hulks to presentable pieces gives one an incredible
satisfaction factor.  I admire anyone that has the courage to tackle
seemingly unsurmountable odds on complete restos.

However, it's because of limited time/space/and a vast number of other
reasons that I'm finding it more difficult to spend time on what I love,
and that's get under the hood, or replace one, rebuild a tranny, or
whatever.  I guess I've done it for so darn long, I'm almost ready to
"retire" from the actual gruntwork on a total resto.  Don't get me
wrong, I love it and always will, it's just that as you get along in
years, your priorities change, whether you initiate it or someone else
does.  

I think I've done my fair share for the hobby too, Like getting stuff
reproduced for the 69 H/Os.  Especially figuring out that darned
FireFrost gold paint.  Also, I'd like to think that I've given some
insight to members of this list with knowledge I've gained throughout
the years.  While I'm not "jedi master" Joe Padavano, Ken Snyder, Jim
Chermack, Greg Rollins, or Hot Rod Harry, to name just a few of the
respected talents, (sorry if I left anyone out) I think I'm knowledgable
enough to share helpful hints from time to time.  

I'm going into year two of the H/O project, and haven't completed NEARLY
what I'd hoped to.  And if I had just bought one already done, I could
be enjoying it's beauty rather than sifting through boxes of various
pieces of it wondering where I could get this replated, and where am I
gonna get a replacement for that, etc.  I think that this one will
probably be my next to last major restoration.  My black 85 442 one day
will need redone though, and I've got truckloads of new GM parts to
totally redo it, but that's been planned and parts bought since 1987. 
Of course, no rust/bondo, years of muck and god knows what,  or anything
major to worry about, so it should be a fairly simple resto in
comparison.

So with ONE more restoration to go, not including the present one, I
guess I'll retire from the "major resto" environment after the 85
project gets done.  First, I gotta finish the Hurst.  

Sorry to sound like a testimonial here, but I guess I'm feeling sorta
blue about the warmer weather and car shows starting up, and I don't
have anything I feel is presentable to enter in one.  Of course I'm in
Florida, but if you're still suffering cold weather, you'll know in a
month or two what I'm talking about.  Ok, I'm off my soap box.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 17:15:07 -0600
From: "James Moore" <panman638@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: No Number info

I Guess Oldsmoble has no way of knowing the production numbers of the
options that were sold on there cars. Chevy and Pontiac have all the records
anybody could ever care to wan, But everytime I try to find anything out
about my olds all I am told is the numbers of a model with a conv, or h/t or
auto, or whatever that is so generic. Oh well I will settle for not a soul
ever responding to my questions. It feels the same as it does when I come
into the house to talk to my wife.

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:19:39 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)

They're not on the web. Their # is 818-678-3000. I have dealt with them for
about 14 years. Their prices are excellent and their service is good.
They've got about the best prices on Holley carbs I've ever seen. Order
their catalog $4.95. It's as thick as most phone books (you may never get
off the john).

- -----Original Message-----

>
>       Anyone have any contact numbers for PAW? I can't find anything on
the
>web for them, and I would like to get in touch with them. Anyone have
good/bad
>experiences with them? Thanks, Dorian
>

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:21:13 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: List Language

Oh Lou, don't be a doo-doo head. Oooops.

- -----Original Message-----

>
>To all:
>Agree with George, as I have been an offender in the past I have tried to
>clean up my posting. If I offend anyone please email me privately and I
>shall endeavor to make amends. Onward and upward.
>Lou
>----------
>> From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
>> To: OldsML <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>> Subject: Re: List Language
>> I am slowly getting offended by the volume of this discussion. <GRIN> 
>> Everybody made his point, so let's go back to olds related stuff!
> 
>

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:17:52 EST
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)

PAW-
Good experiences. Good catalog and good pricing. Try 800 information. In
SoCal, Burbank? area.
Peter
coupeking

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:28:20 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: HURST/OLDS PRICES

I am the same way.  It is all part of the funny to say this is how I 
bought it, look at it now!!!!


>I, however, have some sort of masochistic problem because I get more 
excited
>seeing an old beater that has potential then a restored car.  I was 
looking
>around a H/O page and I found myself lusting after the before photos.  
For me
>the restoration is the hobby and the finished car is just the result.  
To each
>their own.


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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 15:31:11 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)

order # 818-998-6000    customer service # 818-407-2650




>       Anyone have any contact numbers for PAW? I can't find anything 
on the
>web for them, and I would like to get in touch with them. Anyone have 
good/bad
>experiences with them? Thanks, Dorian


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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:40:32 -0500
From: "Mike Rothe." <hurstolds@xtalwind.net>
Subject: Re: No Number info

> Oh well I will settle for not a soul
> ever responding to my questions. It feels the same as it does when I come
> into the house to talk to my wife.


I take it then your wife doesn't know the production numbers of cars
with your options either?  ;)  

The hard and fast fact is that Olds, and all the others, is in the
business of selling cars, not worrying about who has one of the "old"
ones out there.  Too many people expect that Olds should have been like
Pontiac or Chevy and be able to compile a list of cars built with this
or that option.  As far as I know, Pontiac doesn't even do this
themselves, some outside company does it for them.  They just sifted
through all the available records to compile the databases.  Cars are
very unique in this regard anyway.  I doubt if anyone cares how many
1993 RCA 27" televisions were made with a walnut exterior.  They
probably don't have records of that either. All I can say is thank God
for the Olds History Center archives.

While GM probably has production figures available for all the models,
specifics may be a bit of a problem for the older cars.  Trust us, we'd
all love to have this sort of info, but unfortunately, we're all in the
same boat.  Verifying the old cars is tough.  Heck, there didn't used to
be any surefire way to tell of a 69 H/O was genuine or not, until the
recent findings of some old Demmer records with more than 1/2 the VIN's
showed up.  But that STILL didn't tell you what options were on certain
ones, etc.

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:36:03 -0500
From: Brian Kerr <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: Subscribing commands

I have misplaced the instructions for unsubscribing. I need to get my
inbox under control, so I am going to switch to digest mode. Can some
one please send me the instructions?
Thanks

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 18:42:28 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: Just thinking

It's definitely a feasible idea, but why not sell it whole?  If you find
somebody that REALLY wants one of those cars, the price oyu get for it
may not be that different to the parts total.  Again, I realize it's
just an idea, just my $.02
Brian.

Oldscutaw@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Please dont get me wrong here, but i was thinking. If i was to sell my car 
for
> parts ('69 olds cut S) how much money do you think that i could come out 
with.
> Right now i do not have a license because i got in to too many accidents with
> my other car. I have a lot of original parts, some in really good condition.
> >From some what good cond. fenders to great doors, mirrors, seatbelts, seats,
> rims, engine parts(all of them for a "69 rocket 350), rebuilt trany, new
> drums, new carpet, new vinal cover, all windows, okay bumpers, all emblems,
> okay grill, original spare, crap axel, stearing column, all things that it
> needs to start. Once again, THIS IS JUST AN IDEA. Please dont respond to
> single items.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:46:16 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: parts for sale

For sale:

2~ manual steering boxes for 66-72 Cutlass. With pitman arms. One needs
rebuild (simple) - $50, the other is good to go - $75. The Pitman Arms are
not available anywhere and are worth the price by themselves.

Holley 3310 carb freshly rebuilt - $120

Lunati Bracketmaster cam, 224/234 @ .050, .496/.520 lift. WITH LIFTERS - $60

Set of 4 SSII wheels sandblasted and painted with all hardware/trim. Mounted
on wheels are 2~ 235/60R15 and 2~ 255/60R15 Dayton Daytona GT raised white
letter tires with less than 3000 miles on them. All for $280. (tires alone
cost me $380).

2 sets of factory steel valve covers with raised O-L-D-S-M-O-B-I-L-E on
them. $30 per set.

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 18:52:18 -0500
From: Rebel1 <rebel1@raex.com>
Subject: Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)

Dorian,
    Have had nothing but good experiences with them - here is there phone 
number
for their tech line and orders:  (818)998-6000, Customer service number is:
(818)678-3100.
Todd Daenzer
All the toys put away for the winter...

DYeager535@aol.com wrote:

>        Anyone have any contact numbers for PAW? I can't find anything on the
> web for them, and I would like to get in touch with them. Anyone have 
good/bad
> experiences with them? Thanks, Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:55:12 -0500
From: "Michael Davis" <mdavis@metrobankandtrust.com>
Subject: oldsmobile history center

Carman442 wrote:(very early this morning)..
>How did you get your info back on the 1968 442 if you can only get 1977 or
newer?

The information that I received was the basic stuff..ie production numbers.
The information that I wanted was a copy of the ORIGINAL invoice.  Where
the car was created, where it was shipped, what dealer, etc.  That
information is only available to those that have 1977 or newer.  I was
happy with what I did get but the piece de resistance (french) is that
invoice.  That is the birth certificate of your car, the creation of
memories from metal parts.

				Mike Davis
				68' 442

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:41:44 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Headers Real Benefit

>
>Also, at the Nats in Springfield during the Mondello tech seminar, Joe
>(Mondello) recommended against extrude honing stock exhaust manifolds.
>
>Chris Smetana


This would only be worth it for the W/Z type manifolds as the "log"
type manifolds would still have problems with neighboring cyls 
pulsing at the same time.  What I mean is that the pulses coming
from one cyl will try to go through the manifold at the same time 
as another.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 18:52:00 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)

PAW does a nice job.  I bought a cam and lifters along with some other
goodies last year
and the items came promptly and the service
was good.  They even messed up one item, but
the return policy was good and they fixed it without hassle.

I don't have the number in front of me, but I
have the catalog in the garage.  If nobody else
answers, email me later and I will get it for you.
It's my wife's birthday so I gotta go to dinner now!  

Good evening all.
Kevin

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 19:48:07 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: No Number info

In a message dated 2/4/99 7:29:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
panman638@worldnet.att.net writes:

<< I Guess Oldsmoble has no way of knowing the production numbers of the
 options that were sold on there cars. Chevy and Pontiac have all the records
 anybody could ever care to wan, But everytime I try to find anything out
 about my olds all I am told is the numbers of a model with a conv, or h/t or
 auto, or whatever that is so generic. Oh well I will settle for not a soul
 ever responding to my questions. It feels the same as it does when I come
 into the house to talk to my wife. >>
   
   I agree with what you say and still do not understand then where all that
production info came from for the 60s and early 70s cars if Olds does not have
it. What did some Olds God make all those numbers up . You know, how many 4spd
W30 conv were made? and how many 70 post 442s with 4spds were made?...etc....
I mean the 72s and up even have a code in the VIN to tell you what motor and
sometimes what motor and trans came in that car...the 60s and early 70s did
not even have that...hopefully in time that info will come out... 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">HotRodHarrys73Olds455/4spe
ed</A> 

   

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 20:31:09 -0500
From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Subject: Anyone in South Carolina?

I may be getting a job offer for a position in Greenville, SC soon.  
My wife was wondering about the schools, housing, etc., but I want to
know information on the IMPORTANT things.  Such as: 
How are the junque yardes?
What are the policies for historic cars?
What do nice 442s sell for down there?

If anyone can help with either my questions or my wifes, please respond
privately.

TIA 


- -- 
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)
95 Aurora 
OCA# 30442

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:25:21 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: black oil

In a message dated 2/4/99 12:47:16 PM Central Standard Time,
jalkara@whidbey.net writes:

<< 
 sounds like the body shop is the cause of your black oil, extended idling
 causes some greif in many things
 as for bad language
 i thought this forum was kinda like a bunch of guys standing around in the
 garage and that language would be on the bottom end of mild in all
 conversations i have ever heard taking place in a garage full of people,
 including ones with mixed sexes.
 i mean if you got to be so politically correct it is time for you to sell
 your gas powered olds and buy an electric car or better yet just walk
 everywhere so there will be more gas for me to waste while im burning
 rubberr like crazy
  >>


I tend to agree with the relaxed atmosphere idea. While I'm generally polite
in "new" company, I like to think of this forum as more of a "garage scene"
too. Maybe it is due to the useage of a "paint oversprayed" laptop setting
next to my Craftsman rollaway. When I meet some of you at the Dallas show this
summer, I'm sure I'll keep it on a polite level....FOR A WHILE! The beer and
the "Rockets" will get the best of me, and I'm sure to start smarting off to
the 5.0 and 5.7 geeks that will undoubtedly show up.

Collyn Eastham
65 442
65 Cutlass

P.S. I'll even show you nice folks where the street racing scenes are here in
"Big D"

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:29:25 EST
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)

In a message dated 2/4/99 5:18:35 PM Central Standard Time, comid@jellico.com
writes:

<< They've got about the best prices on Holley carbs I've ever seen. Order
 their catalog $4.95. It's as thick as most phone books (you may never get
 off the john).
 
 >>


Now that's offensive...Just kidding!

Collyn Eastham
65 442
65 Cutlass

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 19:37:59 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Smokin' SOM

>On another note SOM is smoking.
>Yes, "she" is a smokin' ride, but periodically white vapor billows out from
>under the hood.
>
>Did not notice this until after it got colder out.
>
>Karl knows what it is.
>It is from the power steering system.
>
Had this on my 68.  The "mysterious leak" was caused by  a
pinhole in the high pressure hose spraying the exhaust manifold
when the steering was a full lock.  At full lock you can hear the
pump start to strain because the press spikes, and that was the
only time it would leak.  Nice little stream shooting straight on the
motor.  Have someone hold the steering wheel a full lock while
your looking under the hood.  Suprising what you might see.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/


>Apparently, extreme front wheel angles cause fluit to squirt onto the
engine
>from ~somewhere~ which is the cause of the smoke and a characteristic
smell.
>
>The real problem is that he has not isolated the leak, just keeps tooping
off
>with PS fluid.
>
>Anyone have this happen?
>
>Would it be due to extreme cold, i.e. engine warmed up, but PS fluid still
>severely gelled?

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:51:21 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Language and ebay

I wish to apologize to the list, in two previous postings I used the words
"john" and "doo-doo." I regret these lapses into sleaze but I wanted to
point oit that I didn't use the words "wee-wee" or "ka-ka." Golly gosh darn
it, there I go again.

Olds content, there's a High performance ignition system on e-bay as well as
a dual quad Offy manifolds with Carter carbs for big block.
- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: Comid <Comid>
Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)


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>In a message dated 2/4/99 5:18:35 PM Central Standard Time,
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>
><< They've got about the best prices on Holley carbs I've ever seen. Order
> their catalog $4.95. It's as thick as most phone books (you may never get
> off the john).
>
> >>
>
>
>Now that's offensive...Just kidding!
>
>Collyn Eastham
>65 442
>65 Cutlass
>

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 20:55:46 EST
From: Bbymks4@aol.com
Subject: Re: parts for sale

             What part of the country are you lacated?

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:06:14 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: 2,000's hit

Ah yes, The www.CC-IROC-SS.com site is about to hit 2,000. Who's going to be
the hit?

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

Project Forum Delphi Site:
http://www.delphi.com/cc_iroc_ss

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:02:51 EST
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: P.A.W (performance automotive warehouse)

<<Anyone have good/bad experiences with them? Thanks, Dorian>>

the experiences i had weren't that great.  i ordered some stuff and enclosed
the wrong amount of shipping(something like 30 cents too little and they
charged me $5 extra for cod.)  also they never gave me the $5 discound from
ordering their catalog.  other than that, their parts are ok.  what you have
to think about when ordering parts is if the shipping is going to add up to
more than local stores.  i remember ordering a sbc intake from jegs and it was
around 120 plus 5 shipping and discount sells them for 125 plus local tax.

mikeytvb@aol.com
70 442 hc

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 21:10:00 -0500
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: parts for sale

Southeastern Kentucky

- -----Original Message-----

>             What part of the country are you lacated?
>

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