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oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, February 3 1999     Volume 01 : Number 1750



Major Mods planned on '84 Cutlass Supreme.
Re: SX question
Re: New Hot Rod
Re: olds history center
The Day the Music Died (was Re: Groundhog)
Re: The Day the Music Died (was Re: Groundhog)
Re: glass for 71 cutlass s
rear window defogger
Re: Seat belt question
Re: New Hot Rod
Re: rear window defogger
More Blower Problems!
Re: [Re: New Hot Rod]
Re: Major Mods planned on '84 Cutlass Supreme.
Re: 70-72 Buckets
Re: Advice
Re: Performance improvements of 1 Vs 3 angle valve job.
Re: Seat belt question
Re: Seat belt question
'71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?
Recyclers
Re: 69 Olds Cutlass Front Fenders
Re: 71 SX
Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?
re: rear springs
H*lp with 86 442
Re: New Hot Rod
Re: SX question
More 455 Head IDs
Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?
Re: Advice
Re: More 455 Head IDs
Resurfacing Cylinder head intake mating surface.
Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?
Re: More Blower Problems!
Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?
Re: Seat belt question
Exhaust manifold gaskets
Re: Advice
Re: Exhaust manifold gaskets
Re: More Blower Problems!
new member
New screen saver on its way...
RE: /steering box
Re: New screen saver on its way...
Junkyards vs. Recyclers (was Re: glass for 71 cutlass s)
Re: 70-72 Buckets
Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?
Re: 70-72 Buckets
cool Michigan site
Re: Exhaust manifold gaskets
Re: New screen saver on its way...
Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers
Re: New screen saver on its way...
just surfing around
new parts link
lug nuts for alloy wheels
Re: New screen saver on its way...
Re: New screen saver on its way...
Re: GJC needs to know...
Gender was: Bile was: How about....
Sid "Groundhog" Viscious
Alternator Dying (75 Cutl)
Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers (was Re: glass for 71 cutlass s)
Re: New screen saver on its way...
Re: 70-72 Buckets
Re: rip-off artist

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 01:08:30 -0800
From: Shawn Holwegner <shawn@holwegner.com>
Subject: Major Mods planned on '84 Cutlass Supreme.

	I guess this is still mostly at the pipe dream stage, but I've
decided essentially what I want to do with my '84 Cutlass Brougham.

	Granted the following is a bit of work and im not going to be
able to do all of it for a rather extended period of time, so I'm going
to put the 'needs' up first.

	I'm trying to decide what I really need power-wise, I'm not
looking to beat the hell out of it or outdo everyone on the road, but
the little 307 Y isnt going to cut it... Im thinking of either a 350 or 
a 403, a 455 would defentally be overkill.

	I'd like to drop a TH-350R4 w/ lightning rods into it where the
bloody 200c is currently. Has anyone done this? how far back are the
shifters? how much would that interfear with the stock plush seats?
If it would not work out too well, what seats are known to fit well
as well as not entirely look like a patch job? IROC? 

	I'm also waiting on a Thermomaster chip for my '85 - if it
makes much difference, I'll see about getting one for the '84 and
dumping the carb, dropping a bolt-on injector...

	Im also hoping to find someone with information on the ECC,
what measures what, the voltage levels per signal, etc in hopes of
making an RS-232 interface to it and having my laptop analyze how
the car is running and whats doing what (essentially eyecandy, but
with the guise of being useful).

	T-Tops? Has anyone converted a stock to have T-Tops, and
it held a seal? I'm currently in the California Bay area, and this
would be a necessity (when I get it home, that is).

	New stereo system, interior, paint, (hopefully) console.

Suggestions? Critisism?

- - S (What? At least I didnt say lowered.)
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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 03:36:59 -0600
From: Robert Bishop <rbishop@iamerica.net>
Subject: Re: SX question

At 10:13 AM 2/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm looking to purchase a 71 SX hardtop and I'm trying to find production
>numbers. Can any body help?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
71 hardtop figures is 1820.
71 Conv. production was 357.
Total production for 71 is 2177.

Hope this helps

rbishop@iamerica.net
71 SX

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:25:40 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: New Hot Rod

....And you know that there are some cheby guys out there
that think this guy has built one of those cheby "mystery motors"
from the 60's....

Mike B 

>I was looking at the new Hot Rod today (horrible issue in my opinion).  
>Did anyone look at the destroyed 68 Camaro.  I looked right past the 
>horrible creation until I noticed the rear engine.  It has a 75 455 Olds 
>and a 1975 Toronado trans axle!  Look at the picture though!!! The loser 
>made(?) some valve covers with Chevy one them. Screwed up a good Camaro 
>and defiled a good 455!

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:29:40 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: olds history center

Yes and no.  If you have a resource such as this list then you surely
can decipher all the info.  It's just not the same as having the people
that actually built the car "certify" the same info.  One of those things
that's just nice to have because when you show it off, it gives you an
air of credibility in front of your buddies (or anybody else).  Also, if
you can't find your build sheet, this seems to be as close as your 
going to come to "documentation" for your car.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/


>Can't you do this by yourself?  You wouldn't have the letter head but 
>would have the same info. Correct?
>
>
>>the history center sent me a letter on olds stationary with a breakdown
>>and description of every line on the firewall plate.it is a nice item 
>to
>>have detailing the origin of the car.
>>

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:02:40 -0500
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: The Day the Music Died (was Re: Groundhog)

"Master" Costanzo said on Feb 2nd:
> 
> > And for anyone who cares, it's also the day that Sid Vicious died.
> > 20 years today.

Lou Biggs followed up on the same day:
> 
> For the OLE folks:
> Also Buddy Holly, Big Bopper, and Richie Valens, not a fan, just.02

Um, to be accurate (anal, I know), TODAY, Feb 3rd, is the "Day the Music Died".

Exactly 40 years ago today.  Instead of flying that winter's night, they
should've took an Olds to their next gig... 

Certainly the Beatles, Hendrix, and Janis Joplin, but prolly even Sid Vicious
himself took some inspiration from Holly's groundbreaking music.

I'm a fan, not an OLE folk... but I AM one of the Olds folks :)



Tim (Born 10 mos. after that bad day ) Churchill  tchurchill@draper.com
OCA #30327  Framingham, MA
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, new a.k.a 'Old Gold'
'98 VW Passat GLS Wagon, a.k.a. 'der Kinderwagen'

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 08:17:14 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Day the Music Died (was Re: Groundhog)

In a message dated 2/3/1999 8:05:50 AM Eastern Standard Time,
tchurchill@draper.com writes:

<< Um, to be accurate (anal, I know), TODAY, Feb 3rd, is the "Day the Music
Died". >>

And if only we knew who shot the damned pilot!  Oh well......

Bill (a big Buddy Holly Fan) K

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:10:23 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: glass for 71 cutlass s

I have a 71 Cutlass S 2door hardtop. My question is, will the glass
(windshield,door windows,qtr windows,and rear window) from a 68-69 Chevelle
fit my Cutlass?
_________

Others have correctly pointed out that the windshield will fit, however be
aware that a 68-69 windshield will not have the radio antenna - you're 71
_does_ have the antenna in the windshield (this is a moot point if you have
a power antenna in the rear fender).  The door glass will fit if the car is
a 69 hardtop (no vent windows).  68 hardtops had vent windows, so the door
glass is obviously different.  Rear quarter glass is different and will not
fit.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:16:09 -0500 
From: Darren King <KingD@sx.com>
Subject: rear window defogger

I am trying to diagnose the rear window defogger on my 79
Cutlass Salon.  I have the trim plate off.  It's wired straight
into the fuse box so there is no fuse to check.  What should I
be looking for?

Darren King

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:13:32 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Seat belt question

Simplest way would be to use the seats out of one of the late
model cars that has the seat belt integrated into the seat.
_________

This is exactly what I plan to do with my 66 convert, however the only late
model seats I've found which are so configured are BMW 8-series cars, some
Mercedes, and the Chrysler Sebring convertible.  The latter seats are a
touch "heavy" looking for my taste.  And yes, I do plan to have custom
leather seat covers made to match the upholstery.  Are their any others out
there that I'm missing?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 09:17:47 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: New Hot Rod

Whoa, you guys are a little harsh.  First, I think the Camaro is pretty
cool (ok, other than the fugly grille).  C'mon, an Olds engine in a Chebby,
featured in Hot Rod, you gotta like.  Second, you all apparently missed the
flamed 56 Olds on the cover!  The blurb inside claims a feature on the car
will be in an upcoming issue.  The only problem is that, maybe I'm getting
old, but I just can't get into the whole "suede" paint thing.  Sorry.

Oh, and what about the pair of Fieros built the way GM should have - with
Northstar drivetrains.  Just consider it a stroked Aurora...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:28:17 -0500
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: rear window defogger

Darren

        There is an inline fuse under the dash.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts



At 09:16 AM 2/3/99 , you wrote:
>I am trying to diagnose the rear window defogger on my 79
>Cutlass Salon.  I have the trim plate off.  It's wired straight
>into the fuse box so there is no fuse to check.  What should I
>be looking for?
>
>Darren King

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 08:37:35 +0000
From: pipe <banner@kwom.com>
Subject: More Blower Problems!

    My car must of heard me talking about it. Now the blower does not work at
all!
I want to avoid replacing the blower motor as you all can imagine. Does anybody
know any other possible areas to check first? I checked the fuse and its good.
I did not get a chance to check my relays regarding my ?Hi? switch setting
problem before the blower stopped working.
    My trucks trans. decided to spewed all of its guts a week ago. So I have to
drive
my 74 98 now. Its going to snow today and I have no heat. I need help!
    Thank god for this list, I wish this list was around when I started 
driving,
you young kids have
it made. I can only imagine all the mistakes I could have avoided. Makes me
sick.

Thanks again
James Aiello
74 98
70 Cutlass conv.
70 442

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Date: 3 Feb 99 07:16:38 MST
From: RSTOMN <restoman@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: New Hot Rod]

oldsmobile-mml-owner@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
Whoa, you guys are a little harsh.  First, I think the Camaro is pretty
cool (ok, other than the fugly grille).  C'mon, an Olds engine in a Chebby,
featured in Hot Rod, you gotta like.  Second, you all apparently missed the
flamed 56 Olds on the cover!  The blurb inside claims a feature on the car
will be in an upcoming issue.  The only problem is that, maybe I'm getting
old, but I just can't get into the whole "suede" paint thing.  Sorry.

Oh, and what about the pair of Fieros built the way GM should have - with
Northstar drivetrains.  Just consider it a stroked Aurora...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

Looks to be a 55 olds not 56...

RESTOMAN

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 06:43:45 -0800
From: Shawn Holwegner <shawn@holwegner.com>
Subject: Re: Major Mods planned on '84 Cutlass Supreme.

On Wed, Feb 03, 1999 at 08:46:09AM -0500, ISMITHLJ wrote:
> Oldsmobile G-Body Mailing List - http://cyberglyphs.com/gbody/
> 
> I wasn't aware of a TH-350-R4.  Is there such a thing?
- ---end quoted text---
Woops! Sorry, Crossed signals. Im dropping a 200R4 into the '85.

- - S
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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:20:23 -0500
From: Brian Kerr <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: Re: 70-72 Buckets

All I can say is.....
WHAT A BUNCH OF WHINERS!
At 5'6", the only trouble with seats I have is getting in a car without
bashing the crap out of my knees after my wife pulls the seat up against the
front stops. I'll bet that those seats were designed by a vengeful,
vertically challenged GM engineer who got dumped by a tall blonde in high
school.
Vengeanceof the short people!!!!!

Brian Kerr

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:20:34 -0500
From: Brian Kerr <bkerr@golden.net>
Subject: Re: Advice

The guy that I bought my 69 Cutlass conv from had tears in his eyes when he
delivered the car to me. He regretted selling the car, but knew that he would
never get the car back into the shape he wanted it. He told me that there were
young kids that wanted to buy it, somebody wanted it for the frame, somebody
else was going to part it out to finish another car, but he said that I was the
only person he met that was going to treat the car right. After I got the car
on the road, I phoned him, and he wants me to bring it by so he can shoot a
roll of film on it.

What I'm saying is, if you sell a special car, sell it to some one who will
take good care of it.

Brian Kerr
69 Cutlass Conv

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:44:22 -0500
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Performance improvements of 1 Vs 3 angle valve job.

I'm not trying to muddy the waters, here.  But I have a question.  It seems to
me that a 1 angle valve job allows for a greater contact area between the valve
and the valve seat, promoting better cooling of the valve.  I understand the
performance benefits of the multi-angle valve job over a single angle job.  I
realize a hi-po rebuild should go with a multi-angle job, but wouldn't a single
angle grind be ideal for just plain daily-driver robustness?  Of course, I 
could
be wrong so I welcome rebuttals, corrections, etc.

On another note, I'd like to thank Doug Newman and George for their private
e-mails regarding the traffic death of my wife's niece.  Apparently, she always
wore her seatbelt...except this one time.  What a tragedy.  Although I only met
her a couple times, my wife knew her niece from the day she was born, babysat
her, took her to Sunday School...the whole nine-yards, so my wife was more
deeply affected than I.  I had my wife read the e-mails and she was
appreciative. Thanks again for the encouragement.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
1971 Cutlass S 350
smithtp@ix.netcom.com

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:03:08 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@rbnet.com>
Subject: Re: Seat belt question

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
> 
> Simplest way would be to use the seats out of one of the late
> model cars that has the seat belt integrated into the seat.
> _________
> 
> This is exactly what I plan to do with my 66 convert, however the only late
> model seats I've found which are so configured are BMW 8-series cars, some
> Mercedes, and the Chrysler Sebring convertible. <snip>  Are their any others 
out
> there that I'm missing?

I swear I've seen some new buick regals or similar GM car that had a
seat belt in the seat.  Not a convertible but a 4-door sedan.  Or maybe
I'm just seeing things?

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Surpeme
80 Cutlass Calais

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:03:02 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Seat belt question

I swear I've seen some new buick regals or similar GM car that had a
seat belt in the seat.  Not a convertible but a 4-door sedan.  Or maybe
I'm just seeing things?
_________

I can neither confirm nor deny your sighting, but keep in mind that the
seats from a four door will not work in a two door, as they won't fold
forward to allow entry to the back seat.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:20:26 -0600
From: cdemps@lsumc.edu (Dempsey, Charles)
Subject: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?

Hi Folks,

I have just bought a '71 Vista Cruiser. The "dreaded previous owner" has
lost the keys to the car.

The '71 shop manual says to;

1. Remove the horn button, steering wheel, lock plate, turn signal
mechanism etc.
2.Turn the lock to the run position, poke a screw driver 
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
in the little slot and remove the lock cylinder.

How the heck do I turn the ignition lock to the run position without a
key? I've been all through the manual and there is no alternate
procedure listed. There must be a way to do this!

My lock smith says that the codes on the cylinder will be a letter and
three numbers, and he can make a key from them. He also said the
cylinder will come out in the "locked" position. Do I believe him or the
shop manual? I'm betting on the manual, and I'll be darned if I'm going
to pull all that stuff just to find I can't get the cylinder out.

Any suggestions are very welcome. As usual, please cc:cdemps@lsumc.edu
as I am subscribed in digest mode.

Thanks,
Charles

'71 VC sitting in the woods of East Texas.

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:14:02 EST
From: PICKER@aol.com
Subject: Recyclers

Apology accepted.  Thanks

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:14:03 EST
From: PICKER@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 Olds Cutlass Front Fenders

Thanks Peter, I await your e-mail.

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:21:16 -0500
From: Jeff Howell <howell@bbt.com>
Subject: Re: 71 SX

Brian,
Thanks for the info. Can you tell me where in the world you found this out?
Thanks,
Jeff

Brian Smith wrote:

> A great Olds - Muscle and luxury in one rare model.
>
> 1820 Hardtops
>  357 Convertibles
>
> Brian
> 71  SX Hardtop

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:23:10 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?

Any suggestions are very welcome. As usual, please cc:cdemps@lsumc.edu
as I am subscribed in digest mode.
_______

Your locksmith is correct, it _is_ possible to remove the lock cylinder
without the key - been there, done that on a 69 Chevelle (same lock
cylinder and steering column as your 71 VC).  Before you go that far,
however, the ignition key is obviously the same as the door key if both
locks are original.  Simply remove the door lock cylinder and get the code
off of that one instead.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:29:24 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: re: rear springs

> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 15:55:10 -0600 (CST)
> From: Donald B Cart <dcart@micro.ti.com>
> Subject: rear springs

> I have a 72 Cutlass Conv with the rear-passenger side
>drooping a bit. Can I just replace that one spring or
>should I do both sides to make sure they're even ? How
>involved is replacing a spring (special tools, techniques,
>any might-as-wells, etc) ? Ride height is fine except for
>this. Rest of suspension is acceptable, but I don't take
>corners at speed. Any suggestions on where or brands of
>springs to get ?

>Thanks,
>Don
>72 Cutlass Conv
>91 Calias

Donald,
	I had this exact problem with my '70 when I first got it, I tried
two different sets of springs and that did not help.  The problem with my
car was that the 2nd to last body bushing mounting surface on the frame was
rotted.  Therefore the bushing itself was sagging into the hole causing the
car to lean to the passenger's side.  I would check you body mount bushings
and frame first.


Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:32:38 -0800
From: "Kaye K" <lkgk@anv.net>
Subject: H*lp with 86 442

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To: Kaye K <lkgk@anv.net>
Date: Tuesday, February 02, 1999 12:52 PM
Subject: Re: Great 442


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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:36:12 -0500
From: Doug Ahern <doug@mail.RATH.PeachNet.EDU>
Subject: Re: New Hot Rod

I saw the new hot rod.  I though the olds powered camaro was one of the
coolest cars featured in any on the car magazines I read in a long
time ( Hot Rod, High Perf. Pontiac, High Perf. Mopar, Mopar Action,
and Car & Parts).  

for those of you who did not see the article:  the ingenious owner mounted
a Olds 455 engine with a toro trans/transaxle in the rear of a first
generation camaro.  he put a bulkhead between the front and what was once
a rear seat (now engine bay).  he left a radiator up front and plumbed coolant
lines to the rear while oil and ATF coolers were placed underneath in the rear.
AC was included.    the body was a highly modified camaro.  a Lumina roof
was used along with a a Vega hatchback tailgate to allow access to the
engine bay.

He did somethings that I would have done differently, but they were all
cosmestic details (squarehead lights instead of round, and yes, some 
faux-Chevy valve covers on the olds engine..)  but overall, who cares? 
those were minor compared to the engineering ingenuity the guy displayed.

I really get sick of the brand-x bashing.  Oldsmobiles, Chevys, and Pontiacs
are all basically the same cars.  an olds 350 is as different to a Chevy
327 as a chevy 327 is different to a chevy 454.  and on the same token,
they all just as alike.  get my drift?  its all GM, its all in the family.

Doug

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:36:51 -0500
From: Jeff Howell <howell@bbt.com>
Subject: Re: SX question

Robert,
Thanks for the info. Can you tell me where in the world you found this out?
Thanks,
Jeff

Robert Bishop wrote:

> At 10:13 AM 2/2/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >I'm looking to purchase a 71 SX hardtop and I'm trying to find production
> >numbers. Can any body help?
> >
> >Thanks,
> >
> >
> 71 hardtop figures is 1820.
> 71 Conv. production was 357.
> Total production for 71 is 2177.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> rbishop@iamerica.net
> 71 SX

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 09:38:38 -0600
From: Mike Schlottman <mschlott@rsn.hp.com>
Subject: More 455 Head IDs

According to everything I've read, there are big valve and small valve E
heads, and probably most every other olds head.  I've also read that the
big valve heads were on the 442s.  

Heres the fun part.  Are there any clues to be found on an E head that
might indicate that it came from a 442?  VIN possibly?  If not for E heads,
how about C heads?

It would be nice to know what you are getting when buying a used motor
before you tear it down.

	mike

1970 442

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:40:39 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?

Charles,

'71 should still have the "old" key set up:  IE the square key operates the
door locks and tailgate as well as the ignition.  Take out a door lock
cylinder and bring that to the locksmith.  I believe this changed to the
"newer" system (square key is only for the ignition) around '73.  Does
anyone know for sure?

Regards,
Fred

- -----Original Message-----
From: Dempsey, Charles <cdemps@lsumc.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 10:14 AM
Subject: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?


>Hi Folks,
>
>I have just bought a '71 Vista Cruiser. The "dreaded previous owner" has
>lost the keys to the car.
>
>The '71 shop manual says to;
>
>1. Remove the horn button, steering wheel, lock plate, turn signal
>mechanism etc.
>2.Turn the lock to the run position, poke a screw driver
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>in the little slot and remove the lock cylinder.
>
>How the heck do I turn the ignition lock to the run position without a
>key? I've been all through the manual and there is no alternate
>procedure listed. There must be a way to do this!
>
>My lock smith says that the codes on the cylinder will be a letter and
>three numbers, and he can make a key from them. He also said the
>cylinder will come out in the "locked" position. Do I believe him or the
>shop manual? I'm betting on the manual, and I'll be darned if I'm going
>to pull all that stuff just to find I can't get the cylinder out.
>
>Any suggestions are very welcome. As usual, please cc:cdemps@lsumc.edu
>as I am subscribed in digest mode.
>
>Thanks,
>Charles
>
>'71 VC sitting in the woods of East Texas.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:02:13 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: Advice

I'm sorry to say that I do not know what is best for you.

Speaking for myself, I've more often regretted selling a car (or truck)  
than keeping one.

A scientific wild-ass*d guess is that you must have some fondness for this 
car or there wouldn't be a question to answer.

roger hitson

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 10:46:22 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: More 455 Head IDs

Heres the fun part.  Are there any clues to be found on an E head that
might indicate that it came from a 442?  VIN possibly?  If not for E heads,
how about C heads?
____________

Unfortunately, Mike, no.  The E heads themselves do not carry any
designation that would allow you to prove that the parts originally came
from a 442.  The C heads are a slightly different case, however, as prior
to 1968 the engine number was stamped on the head.  As a result, 1967 and
earlier 442 motors will have one head with an engine number stamped in it
which will start with a V if it was, in fact, a 442 motor.  Unfortunately,
this only applies to 67 cars (although C heads were used from 67 through
69), and only applies to what was originally the driver's side head.

The VIN derivative on 68-up blocks doesn't tie directly to the type of car
it was installed in (unless you have some way to unambiguously trace the
last six digits of the VIN), however it _can_ provide some indirect
evidence.  If the production plant (third place in the VIN derivative) was
one at which no 442s were built (KC, for example), then it obviously isn't
a 442 motor.  Of couse, you have no way of knowing for sure that the heads
were originally installed on that block or not.

The bottom line is that you have to measure the valves.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 07:47:15 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Resurfacing Cylinder head intake mating surface.

>Date: Tue, 2 Feb 1999 20:48:16 -0600
>From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
>Subject: Re: 455 Rebuilt

>Jim,
>The best way to avoid/fix leaks is to have the head/manifold
>mating surface machined down.  Basically it's just using a
>huge belt sander that will leave a smooth surface on the iron.
>Normally machining just the manifold will work since it tends
>to warp with age, and portions of the sealing surface deteriorate
>away.

>Mike Bloomer
>mbloomer@mindspring.com
>ICQ# 19113713
>http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/


>> Of course the focus
>>now are my manifolds.  The passenger side manifold is not broken but lea=
>ks.
>>I tried two gaskets right off the bat but that didn't seem to help.  Any
>>suggestions?  Also I need to replace the drivers side manifold.  Anybody
>>have one for sale?
>>
>>Jim Brady
>>1973 Olds Delta 88 Royale Convertible

Actually the most desired way to resurface any cylinder head, or engine
block is by using a 'Rotary Broach' machine.  This will ~ensure~ that you
have a flat surface.  A belt sander will smooth the surface but will ~not~
create a flat surface.

I did all 3 sides on my 455 heads when I worked as a machinist.

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 Ragtop
Austin, TX

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:21:10 -0600
From: cdemps@lsumc.edu (Dempsey, Charles)
Subject: Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:

> Before you go that far,
> however, the ignition key is obviously the same as the door key if both
> locks are original.  Simply remove the door lock cylinder and get the code
> off of that one instead.

Hi Joe,

Thanks for the quick response!

Could the door and ignition keys possibly be different (assuming that
neither has been re-keyed)? The "dreaded previous owner" said that she
never had a door key.

My '71 Malibu had the usual square round key set, square for the
ignition and round for the glove box/trunk. Were wagons different?

I think that on this VC at least the door/ignition keyways are
different. My '76 CS ignition key fits (but does not turn) the ignition
and my '86 CSB door key fits (but does not turn) the door cylinder which
leads me to believe that they are not the same keyway. Could this
wagon's keys have the same pattern but a different keyway?

Thanks,
Charles

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:14:20 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: More Blower Problems!

In a message dated 02/03/1999 9:37:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,
banner@kwom.com writes:

<<   My car must of heard me talking about it. Now the blower does not work at
 all!
 I want to avoid replacing the blower motor as you all can imagine. Does
anybody
 know any other possible areas to check first? >>

Check the fuse.  If thats OK, run a direct line to the blower motor from the
battery or fuse box.  If the motor works then the problem could be in the
switch, relay(as many other people have indicated)  or any other assorted
wires or connections that make the blower moter work.

Good Luck.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:15:15 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Dempsey, Charles wrote:
> My lock smith says that the codes on the cylinder will be a letter and
> three numbers, and he can make a key from them. He also said the
> cylinder will come out in the "locked" position. Do I believe him or the
> shop manual? I'm betting on the manual, and I'll be darned if I'm going
> to pull all that stuff just to find I can't get the cylinder out.

The responses to look at the door lock cylinders for their codes really
don't answer this question, and I'm interested in knowing this too. I have
a tilt column for my Delta sitting around ready to go in but there is no
key. I need to remove the cylinder. How? Any advice appreciated!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:22:26 -0800
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@rbnet.com>
Subject: Re: Seat belt question

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:

> I swear I've seen some new buick regals or similar GM car that had a
> seat belt in the seat. 
> _________
>  keep in mind that the
> seats from a four door will not work in a two door, as they won't fold
> forward to allow entry to the back seat.
> 
> Joe Padavano

What...You use the doors to enter a convertible? :)

Greg Pruett

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:24:55 -0500
From: "James E. Brady III" <James.E.Brady.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Exhaust manifold gaskets

Has anyone ever tried header gaskets(like Fel Pro) to seal exhaust
manifolds?  Just curious.

Jim Brady
'73 Olds Delta 88 Royale Convertible

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:28:12 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: Advice

In a message dated 02/03/1999 9:55:48 AM Eastern Standard Time,
bkerr@golden.net writes:

<< What I'm saying is, if you sell a special car, sell it to some one who will
 take good care of it. >>


The guy I bought my 69 442 from wasn't even planning to sell the car when I
called him.   I had met him a year earlier and kept his phone number.  He knew
I really loved the car and would take good care of it.

He gave me a write up about the car which included parts info and maintenance
tips when we closed the deal and the last item he wrote was that if I decide
to sell the car that he gets first shot at buying it back.

I will honor that request.  Perhaps you could do the same with the person you
sell it to.

Lou Principe 
69 442 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:26:50 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold gaskets

Has anyone ever tried header gaskets(like Fel Pro) to seal exhaust
manifolds?  Just curious.
_________

Sure, with no problems, though I usually don't bother to use them with
stock manifolds.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:32:25 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmail@webtv.net (mark sopp)
Subject: Re: More Blower Problems!

on my 70 442 there is a plate below the blowr motor in the firewall held
in by 2screws.there is what looks like a heavy filament on reverse side.
i changed that and all 3 speeds retuned to my fan switch. hope this
helps.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:36:50 -0600
From: GTH <lkxiii@lords.com>
Subject: new member

As a proud new owner of a 1966 Toronado (courtesy of eBay) and my first
"adult" Oldsmobile (as the 'baby' I was the last to drive my parents
wedding present '39) I am hoping to learn some interesting facts about
this automotive milestone.

About me: 
home: Jackson MS
occupation: RN (CNOR)
age: 21X2+4
addictions: old cars that aren't the current fad (mostly 60's GM)
collection: 11 ranging from '50 Roadmaster 2dr sedanette to '71 MGB (my
hs grad gift).... including the '69 Electra that I took my drivers test
in.

About my new '66:

advertised as a "standard" model. Has NO power luxuries (manual
windows/seats), but it does have the second set of door release
handles(rear)...and air. Original (not good) paint and interior (not
good at all) in BLACK (California car all it's life). Even the
windshield wipers were toast on arrival. One dent in left front fender
and the grille.
I'd like to get options on the best places to get OEM/NOS or "recycled"
Olds parts.
Thanks/ George T. Hester

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:31:18 -0500
From: dgerow@student.stonehill.edu (Daniel R. Gerow)
Subject: New screen saver on its way...

Hey all,

Well, I'm working on a 4-4-2/Cutlass screen saver for y'all.  What I
need to know is if you would prefer single fullscreen pictures or
pictures with a description of the year/model in some type for boarder?
I have some good pics and they're pretty good resolution.  I just don't
know if the addition of text is cheesy or unwelcomed?

Let me know at:        dgerow@student.stonehill.edu

- --
- ---------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
- ---------------------------------

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:41:37 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: /steering box

I am not positive but I believe the codes "WS" or "XH" are painted or
stamped on the units end plate or housing of the quick ratio f41 steering
box.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:48:23 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: New screen saver on its way...

I got a good idea. How about including some nice '73-'74 Omega pics in your
screen saver.

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455



At 11:31 AM 2/3/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey all,
>
>Well, I'm working on a 4-4-2/Cutlass screen saver for y'all.  What I
>need to know is if you would prefer single fullscreen pictures or
>pictures with a description of the year/model in some type for boarder?
>I have some good pics and they're pretty good resolution.  I just don't
>know if the addition of text is cheesy or unwelcomed?
>
>Let me know at:        dgerow@student.stonehill.edu
>
>--
>---------------------------------
>Daniel R. Gerow
>dgerow@stonehill.edu
>http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
>---------------------------------
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:47:16 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Junkyards vs. Recyclers (was Re: glass for 71 cutlass s)

>Mike, please do not refer to all professional Automotive Recyclers as
>Junkyards.  There is a large growing group that belong to the Automotive
>Recyclers Association, (ARA) that can be reached at www.autorecyc.org, that
>are working hard to loose the old Junkyard mentality.  

While I do see the plusses of the "Recycler mentality", where you walk up
to the counter and order the exact part you need, which the recycler has
already removed, cataloged and put on a shelf, as an alternative to brand
new parts, I do hope that it doesn't seek to do away with true "junkyards",
where you can walk around and pick up all those little bits and pieces that
you didn't think you needed, and perhaps get ideas about other things you
can retrofit to your car. 

While a recycler is more convenient for someone who wants to repair
something on a daily-driver, a true junkyard (not a pejorative term in my
book) is something that is indispensable to a hot-rodder seeking
inspiration as much as they are seeking parts.
________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	    MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:38:03 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 70-72 Buckets

>I have done this (put a small block under the front of the seat mounting
>bolts) on my 87 442, on the pasenger side. I have a power seat on my side of

I put a big-block under power bench on my Toronado; range of adjustment is
the same, but it moves MUCH more quickly. I can catapault my wife into the
back seat if she's not paying attention... ;)
________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	    MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 10:59:45 -0600
From: cdemps@lsumc.edu (Dempsey, Charles)
Subject: Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:

> You'll notice a small stamped letter on the side of the
> key, near the head.  Square keys come in "odd" letter configurations (A, C,
> E, G, J), while the oval keys come in "even" letters (B, D, F, H, K).  

Aha! Minor mystery cleared up. Thanks!

> If this is not the case, then I wouldn't waste my time
> pulling the door apart, as the blanks are obviously different.

cdemps@lsumc.edu wrote:

> My '76 CS ignition key fits (but does not turn) the ignition
> My '86 CSB door key fits (but does not turn) the door cylinder

'76 CS ignition key: Keyway "C".
'86 CSB door key: Keyway "B".

Damn! Now I've got two possibilities;

1. Not all of the doors were re-keyed. Another trip to the woods to see
if the "B" key fits all of the doors, and if not pull a "C" lock.
2. I've got to take the ignition lock out without putting it in the
"RUN" position.

Assuming #2, is there a trick to this that was not detailed in the shop
manual?

Charles, who has a familiar sinking feeling.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:23:47 -0600 (CST)
From: hitson@i1.net (roger hitson)
Subject: Re: 70-72 Buckets

<snipped>
>I put a big-block under power bench on my Toronado; range of adjustment is
>the same, but it moves MUCH more quickly. I can catapault my wife into the
>back seat if she's not paying attention... ;)
>________________________________________________
>Bob Barry  	    MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
>http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/
>
This message has been forwarded tp ypur wife.......

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:14:20 -0500
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: cool Michigan site

I know this is not Olds related but, this site has some great shots of
the Woodward cruise, Novi's 50's festival, HotRod Power Tour, etc.......
Enjoy!!

	http://www.dream-cars.com

         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
               Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)  OCA# 4903
                             1970 W30 (red)

                      mailto:drdecal@wwnet.net
                      mailto:mcornea@ford.com

                    Visit http://www.drdecal.com
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:15:26 EST
From: StepHydro@aol.com
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold gaskets

In a message dated 99-02-03 11:32:28 EST, you write:

> Has anyone ever tried header gaskets(like Fel Pro) to seal exhaust
>  manifolds?  Just curious.
>  _________
>  
>  Sure, with no problems, though I usually don't bother to use them with
>  stock manifolds.


Mine had a FelPro gasket and it leaked. However, the bolts were not torqued
down properly. I went back with a FelPro gasket, which I don't expect to last
long, as the surfaces are now rough. But, for $9.00, if I bought a couple of
months, it was a cheap dodge.

Cheers/Carron

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:17:29 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: New screen saver on its way...

no text! just plain pics. if you don't know what it is, well, ask the 
list or better the creator of the screensaver... (if it looks strange, 
ask omega man, may be an omega <grin>

regards, george
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, Daniel R. Gerow wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> Well, I'm working on a 4-4-2/Cutlass screen saver for y'all.  What I
> need to know is if you would prefer single fullscreen pictures or
> pictures with a description of the year/model in some type for boarder?
> I have some good pics and they're pretty good resolution.  I just don't
> know if the addition of text is cheesy or unwelcomed?
> 
> Let me know at:        dgerow@student.stonehill.edu
> 
> --
> ---------------------------------
> Daniel R. Gerow
> dgerow@stonehill.edu
> http://www.stonehill.edu/~dgerow
> ---------------------------------
> 
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:30:44 -0600
From: <mljohns2@collins.rockwell.com>
Subject: Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers

Someone's junk is anothers goldmine.

 I guess I'm not in the business of selling used auto parts so I don't
really have any qualms with whatever someone else prefers to be called. For
the most part though people who have no need for the option of used auto
parts from an auto recycler will always look at auto recycling yards as
"junkyards" and nothing more then that. Then there are those of us who see
it as a goldmine to walk around and look and scrounge for those hard to
find and no longer available from the dealership parts, not to mention a
place to get inspiration for retrofit auto parts. I guess I don't see where
an issue is raised from something that eventually becomes a crushed cub of
metal (and therefore useless to the general public in a as is form) being
called "junk", hence the name "junk-yard". I would hope that the old
fashioned style of junkyard (where you get permission to go on grounds and
scrounge for auto parts) hasn't gone by the wayside.

Just my  $.02 worth

Mike Johnson






Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu> on 02/03/99 10:47:16 AM

Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:
Subject:  Junkyards vs. Recyclers (was Re: glass for 71 cutlass s)




>Mike, please do not refer to all professional Automotive Recyclers as
>Junkyards.  There is a large growing group that belong to the Automotive
>Recyclers Association, (ARA) that can be reached at www.autorecyc.org,
that
>are working hard to loose the old Junkyard mentality.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:32:21 -0600
From: <mljohns2@collins.rockwell.com>
Subject: Re: New screen saver on its way...

I second that motion.....

Mike Johnson





George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu> on 02/03/99 11:17:29 AM

Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

To:   OldsML <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
cc:
Subject:  Re: New screen saver on its way...





no text! just plain pics. if you don't know what it is, well, ask the
list or better the creator of the screensaver... (if it looks strange,
ask omega man, may be an omega <grin>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:40:33 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: just surfing around

Hey 67 W30 lovers
check out this link. Here's a nice one. Check out the 71 Baldwin Motion
Camaro sitting beside the 442 too. BAAAD! Looks like my 70.
Omega Man

www.top.net/fpcopo/

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 12:51:48 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmail@webtv.net (mark sopp)
Subject: new parts link

would someone post address for parts link posted yesterday.i deleted
without storiing it .
thanx                                     

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 9:44 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: lug nuts for alloy wheels

   I just scored a set of 16x8 alloy wheels off a late 80's
Firebird, which I plan to put on my '72 Cutlass Supreme (they
have no Pontiac markings or anything, and the price beat
anything else I had been considering by a huge margin). The
wheels don't have the conical lug-nut seats the steel wheels
have, they look like they are designed for shoulder style lug
nuts. The problem is, I believe the original factory lugnuts
for these wheels had metric threads which won't fit the studs
on my car. Anyone know what kind of nuts I should use, and
where to get them?

- -John Carri
'72 Cutlass Supreme
'73 Plymouth Road Runner

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:05:33 EST
From: Lou0118@aol.com
Subject: Re: New screen saver on its way...

In a message dated 02/03/1999 12:28:40 PM Eastern Standard Time,
cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu writes:

<< no text! just plain pics. if you don't know what it is, well, ask the 
 list or better the creator of the screensaver... (if it looks strange, 
 ask omega man, may be an omega <grin>
  >>

I agree!!  Just pictures will be fine.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 11:13:00 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: New screen saver on its way...

How about just pics and include a text file (part of the readme?) that lists
the cars and gives a little info about each one?
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:21:56 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Re: GJC needs to know...

In a message dated 99-02-01 18:27:02 EST, you write:

<< Karl,
 
 Where is the caravan going to originate at? I know I should know, but I
 simply don't know. I know you know, so put me in the know.... >>

OK.

Karl lives in Chicago.

From there, he intends to head south (if obliquely).

St. Louis is a likely first stop.

Willing to arrange a meeting point in Chicago or en route to St. Louis to
gather others from due East, West, or anyone further North, like Chris Ruper,
or any Canadians.

Understand Karl means a caravan, and intends to start mebbe as early as June
20 just to ensure time to make enough stops on the way. After National Meet,
some stops may not be made by all involved. Karl would like to be at work that
Sunday night, but has it off in case.

At this point, brunt of route is up in the air. K.C. is a possible stop.

Gotta find where Karl packed his road atlas......


SOM

&KA

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:22:02 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Gender was: Bile was: How about....

In a message dated 99-02-01 19:27:14 EST, you write:

<< K:
 Is SOM of the Male or the Female persuasion?
 Lou >>

While "Soylent" does not normally conjure up a picture of femininity, Karl has
always treated "her" as best he could.

For that matter, neither do "Charity", "Constance", or "Chastity".

Sorry ladies!

SOM

&KA

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:22:03 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Sid "Groundhog" Viscious

In a message dated 99-02-02 00:06:08 EST, you write:

<< And for anyone who cares, it's also the day that Sid Vicious died.  20
years
 today. >>

Karl does care and was not aware of that.
Sex Pistols (what is left) toured last year (allowed admittance to U.S.).
Karl saw.

John Lydonbetween songs:
     "You've waited twenty years, you can wait two fucking minutes!!! "

Far enough into the tour that they played pretty well.

Way cool.


K

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 12:29:21 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Alternator Dying (75 Cutl)

I've noticed my alternator light coming on every day now for about a
week.  It's ood, though, I tonly comes on after 5-10 minutes on the
highway, never around town.  On the highway it sometimes even still
falshes on and off.  Am I right in guessing that it jsut needs a
rebuild?  How complete would I likely need of a rebuild.  It's still
working fine, so I'd like to just buy the pieces, and rebuild it
Saturday morning, and be off and away.  I'm guessing the brushes could
be worn out, and the high speed of highway driving makes it hard for
them to make contact???

Even on the highway, if you turn the lights off to reduce the load, the
light still will go out.  Is it likely I need brushes, or more likely on
the voltage regulator side?  (I'm trying to guess before-hand so I can
order the parts before I take it apart)

Any help/guesses appreciated, as I'd like to order parts
today/tommorrow..

Eric Aksomitis
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/copper.shtml  <-- Rough, tuff, and still
going...

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 13:38:16 -0500
From: "jlabay" <jlabay@neo.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers (was Re: glass for 71 cutlass s)

What is so bad about the junkyard/salvageyard mentality? I don't understand.
I suppose a professional Automotive Recycler is a better person? If so how
is that? :-) To keep this Olds related my 442 got second in the local
Autorama this past weekend. It is final show before the frame off resto
starts this summer.

Jason Labay
98 Silverado C2500
94 Caprice 9C1 LT1
80 Olds 442 W-30

- ----- Original Message -----



>>Mike, please do not refer to all professional Automotive Recyclers as
>>Junkyards.  There is a large growing group that belong to the Automotive
>>Recyclers Association, (ARA) that can be reached at www.autorecyc.org,
that
>>are working hard to loose the old Junkyard mentality.
>
>

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 13:52:19 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: New screen saver on its way...

I'll second that. (if one of those funny looking '74 Omegas are included in
the saver) ha ha
Omega Man

- -----------At 11:13 AM 2/3/99 -0700, you wrote:
>
>How about just pics and include a text file (part of the readme?) that lists
>the cars and gives a little info about each one?
>-- 
>
>Cliff Simpson
>mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
>'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
>http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html
>
>

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Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 14:28:41 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 70-72 Buckets

Brian Kerr wrote:
> 
> All I can say is.....
> WHAT A BUNCH OF WHINERS!
> At 5'6", the only trouble with seats I have is getting in a car without
> bashing the crap out of my knees after my wife pulls the seat up against the
> front stops. 

Want to see something really interesting, watch me try to get into the
driver's set of my mother's Park Avenue after she has driven it.  She is
5'5" and probably 130 pounds or so and I'm 6'3" and about 280. 
Sometimes I forget to move the seat back when we take her car somewhere
and it's more than a little funny watching the contorsions I would
suspect.  But then again I drove a Jensen-Healey for a year or two back
in the 70s that came up to my waist or so.  I was told it was a bit
strange to watch me get out of it.  Getting into it was easy, I just
flopped softly into (hopefully) the bucket seat.  As for the discussion
on the seat distance and leg room in the 69-72 Cutlass era, I have a 69
conv, 70 conv, 72 Hurst (all three with buckets) and a 72 S hardtop and
71 GS455 ragtop (with bench seats).  I have always had some trouble
(with the legroom particularily) in these cars.  It is obviously
magnified by the fact that I have some torn thingies in my left knee
from playing softball and have other problems with both knees from
playing basketball for 40 years or so (hey it is Ky after all).  A great
truth has been learned over those years, and that is play as little as
possible on extremely hard surfaces like concrete, asphalt, etc and as
much as possible on wooden floors.  Anyway, the fact that I can not sit
with my knees in the same position for long stretches of time makes
legroom quite important to me.  I have often wondered what options were
available to increase this area in these cars to improve my enjoyment of
driving them.  I am not worried about increasing the room in the bench
seat cars, because they will become bucket seats if I keep them.  Right
now I think increasing the angle on the front of the bucket seats is the
way to go right now that way it doesn't require extra holes in the
floorboard, etc.  Just a small block under the front seat brackets and a
bending of the back brackets to increase the rake of the seat.  But it
may seem easier than it is upon application.  Any other good suggestions
available?

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Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 11:30:33 -0800 (PST)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: rip-off artist

Just so you guys know, this guy is not me. I'm Stefan Gadecki from
Western Mass.  I just wanted to say that, so that people don't mistake
me for him and start sending me death threats or something, thinking
that I'm the one who ripped them off. I now return you to your regular
sheduled Oldsmobiliac programming.

Stefan Gadecki
1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
70cutlass@beer.com


>I recently posted a message about how I have been ripped off to the
tune of
> >$725 for some auto parts.  His name is Stefan Defimone or
variations of this name.
> >Name: Stefan Defimone, Steve DiFimone, Stephen Diangelo, etc.
> >
> >Phone: 617-331-0655
> >
> >E-mail address: Kisskreak@prodigy.net

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