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oldsmobile-digest      Monday, February 8 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1760



Re: '65-'64 Cutlass parts interchange 
Re: Olds 425/455 V8 in a AMC?
Re: trans fluid change
Date:	Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:54:27 -0500
My First 455 : ) water jackit
Web Page
307 valve train
Re: Some Q's on a 307 to 455 swap
Re: California emissions/Body shops
Re: Electric Choke
Re: 15" 80's Olds chrome rim
Re: Olds' logo license plates
Re: FS: 68-75+ Olds Parts
Re: Olds' logo license plates
Olds only show and go
Re: march 99 Car craft
Re: broken fuel gauage-Help
500HP 455 In magazine
Non Olds Notice
Re: march 99 Car craft
unknown olds engine
Re: trans fluid change
Dual Gate shifter.
Re: march 99 Car craft
Re: Rochester Carbs
Re: Rochester Carbs
Re: Dual Gate shifter.
Re: Rochester Carbs
Re: Some Q's on a 307 to 455 swap
Re: Olds only show and go
Re: Electric Choke
Re: Rochester Carbs
ICQ - - - - Who has it?
Re: 500HP 455 In magazine
My New Oldsmobaby
Olds Sighting on TV
Re: Olds Sighting on TV
Re: Some Q's on a 307 to 455 swap
Smokey & Bandit experts???
Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
General Info
Lonely Olds
Re: need radiator hoses for a 64 Olds Cutlass 330
Re: SX question
Re: Lonely Olds
Re: for SX information (was Re: SX question)
Re: SX question
carb
Re: HURST OLDS
Re: Alternator Dying (75 Cutl)
Re: Inter State Emission testing?
Wheel ID
Re: 500HP 455 In magazine
Re: Inter State Emission testing?
Re: General Info
Plates and Clocks
Re: Inter State Emission testing?(long)
Re: Inter State Emission testing?(long)
Re: Inter State Emission testing?
Re: need radiator hoses for a 64 Olds Cutlass 330
Re: Inter State Emission testing?(long)
Re: '70 O.A.I. Intakes & Such Talk Recommendations [Be Gentle.... ]
Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???
Re: General Info
quartz conversion
Re: General Info
Re: Inter State Emission testing?(long)
worth upgrading cam in a 350?

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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 18:59:10 -0500
From: David Brode <dbrode@hereintown.net>
Subject: Re: '65-'64 Cutlass parts interchange 

Gene,
 The complete 65 front end will fit on the 64, but then it would look like a
65. The fenders, hood, bumper, grill, trim, etc are all different. The core 
support,
and inner fenders may be the same though.
 There was a fellow on the list who has a 65 that bought a fender that turned
out to be a 64. Maybe he'll see your post.
[I mistakenly deleted the mail he had sent me] Where are you located? RTP if 
you like.
Dave Brode
64 Cutlass


> Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 12:34:37 -0500
> From: Gene Gatti <jerseydevil@mindspring.com>
> Subject: '65 to '64 Parts Interchange
>
> Hi Guys,
>    I have a '64 Cutlass that I am trying to gather parts for. There is a
> junkyard nearby that has two '65's. Will the parts like inner fenders, hood
> hinges, core support, and fenders fit my '64?
> Thanks,
> Gene
>
> -

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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:07:52 -0500
From: Arthur Hoffman <oldsctls67@home.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 425/455 V8 in a AMC?

I used to have a 72 Commando with a 401...boy could you push snow with
that...

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Date: Sat, 06 Feb 1999 19:38:26 -0500
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: trans fluid change

Ouch.  I am beginning to rethink this whole transmission thing.  Tuesday
I will drive it again to see if it is slipping or if it could possibly
be something else (carburetor hesitation perhaps?).  I know it won't
"slip" during a half throttle acceleration or greater, only if I am
easing into it for a mild acceleration.  I thought that since the
reverse engagement is sometimes a little lazy (although not mushy, it
engages very firmly in all gears) that it may be a good chance that it
was a slip I am feeling.  Now I have completely talked myself into
confusion.

GOne to untangle my thought processes,
Brian.

Shang wrote:
> 
> Brian,
> 
>         You should expect 4-5 quarts to refill after your fluid change. After
> you have replaced the filter and gasket and are ready to refill, add 3
> quarts, then start the motor and add accordingly. The level must be
> checked with the engine idling in Park.
> 
>         The fluid you need is Dexron III. Type F fluid will produce firmer
> shifts in new or rebuilt transmissions that are completely dry, but
> these two fluids ARE NOT compatible. DO NOT mix type F with the Dexron
> III.
> 
>         If your transmission is getting lazy, changing fluids will not help
> this situation at all, in fact it may worsen the symptoms. You need to
> be thinking about a tranny rebuild in the somewhat near future.
> 
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Supreme
> 
> Brian Shankle wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > I want to change the trans fluid and filter in my 86 CSB.  I have the
> > standard three speed non overdrive automatic transmission of the 200
> > variety.  I know some of the fluid is trapped in the torque converter,
> > so how much should I expect to get out/put back in the car so as to
> > avoid overfilling it?  Also, it seems to be getting a little sleepy
> > going into reverse (engages fine but takes a little longer than it
> > should somtimes) and seems to have the beginnings of a slip sometimes
> > from a stop light.  Otherwise it shifts fine.  I have been told that if
> > I were to fill it with the regular fluid (type A?) but keep it one quart
> > low and put one quart of type F fluid that it would help with these
> > sorts of things....Any thoughts or recommendations on this will be
> > greatly appreciated.
> > Brian.

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:54:27 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Date:	Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:54:27 -0500

Hello Oldster's

Can a 307 "Y" accept a regular cam and tappets? Not specifically talking
about a "9" cam, but rather the many available after market. Are the
rockers, & push rods length different between the 2 engines? Yes, I realize
the "Y" heads are rather choked with small ports. Why did GM go do that,
emissions purposes?

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 17:01:01 PST
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: My First 455 : ) water jackit

Hey all,
  know that i have the block apart is there anyway i can wash out the 
water jackit?do thay sale a wash out for doing this?

Thanks for your time.
and
Thanks for the help with the block to.


>> In a message dated 99-02-06 21:11:58 EST, you write:
>> 
>> << I just got my First olds 455,shortblock ,it was magnaflux,hot 
tanked ,the
>> hol'9,bord .30 over.Is there anyway i can run the #er's To find out 
what year
>> it is?i do know it's a F0 Block,is that good? >>
>> 


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            /  |
           /   |
          /     ------
         /            |
        /             |
       /        ------    DELTA 88
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           Riviera72sss@hotmail.com


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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 19:53:12 -0500
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Web Page

I have just finished updating my web page, I have added pics of my NOS
Lightning Rod that I plan on installing in the spring as well as a picture
in the parts section of a mondello flywheel that I am selling. I am looking
for some nice pics of Cutlasses to add to my readers ride section.
Thanks
Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme
http://members.home.net/kgrant442

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:10:36 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: 307 valve train

Hello Oldster's

Can a 307 "Y" accept a regular cam and tappets? Not specifically talking
about a "9" cam, but rather the many available after market. Are the
rockers, & push rods length different between the 2 engines? Yes, I realize
the "Y" heads are rather choked with small ports. Why did GM go do that,
emissions purposes?

Oops, forgive the first gettin away without the subject.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:23:54 GMT
From: Robert Barry <RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu>
Subject: Re: Some Q's on a 307 to 455 swap

>I really need to get a garage so I can work on my cars in any weather
>condition.  I was making some progress on my '85 Cutlass project today,
>until it started snowing!  Weird weather lately.  Anyway it's coming along

Make sure to get a big one! I've only got space to work on one side of a car
in my garage... :(

>1.  The Negative battery cable had a ground wire to the head on my 307.  The
>current 455 has no provision to attach a ground to it at the same point.
>Any suggestions where to bolt that sucker down?  Would it be a good idea to
>attach it to the exhaust manifold or would that get to hot for it?

That would not be a good idea, as it would increase resistance in the wire.
If your 455 doesn't have any of the head bolts with a stud on them, then the
next-best bet is one of the front accessory mount bolts on the front of the
head; just use a star washer, and torque it down like normal.

>2.  The starter.  The original 307 starter has only two posts on it, one for
>the battery cable and one other one, marked with an "S".  The starter  I
>picked up for a '72 Cutlass with 455 has three posts on it, battery, the
>same "S" and another marked with an "R".  What's that one for?  Do I need to
>go get a different starter to match more closely to what I already had?

The "R" terminal is for the non-resistor wire going to the coil to bypass
the factory resistor wire on pre-HEI cars; since you're using the HEI, you
just have to run the original wire from the starter switch to the "S"
terminal. Often times even replacement starters will have both terminals on
the solenoid so that one part # can cover both HEI and non-HEI applications,
and in those cases they instruct you to leave the "R" terminal alone.
_______________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels

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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 17:38:27 -0800
From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@san.rr.com>
Subject: Re: California emissions/Body shops

Greg wrote:

> I'm going to be moving to San Diego soon (I'm U.S. Navy) and I need to know
> what the emissions rules are.
>
> I have a '71 olds cutlass with lots of modifications (intake, cam, carb,
> headers, etc.)  Being military, I'm hoping I won't have to register the car
> in CA if I keep my claimed residence in Florida.
>
> Anyone know the scoop?
>
> -greg z

Greg,
    I have my '68 442 out here in San Diego (in the Marines and stationed at
MCAS Miramar, San Diego) and you won't have to worry about the emissions with
your '71!  I just registered mine on base and all you need is the usual
paperwork, no emissions.  If you can keep it registered in Fla. good, if not
you still won't have to emissions check it out here because of the vehicle age.

NEXT, does anyone know of a good body shop out here in San Diego??

- --
Chris Miller
San Diego, CA
mailto:cya442@san.rr.com

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:58:22 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Electric Choke

John,

I'd be willing to bet that almost all the 231's use electric choke.  So are
you saying that the electric choke assembly from the DualJet will fit the QJ?
Sometime in the future the Starfire will get a late model (windowed main) 350
I picked up (for a steal!) and I want to use a QJ on it.  Since the wiring
harness already is set up for the electric choke it would fit right in.

Thanks for the info, and Take Care!

Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas
KS7RACING@aol.com

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:02:45 EST
From: MAT68442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 15" 80's Olds chrome rim

Jeff
	I haven't checked through the parts for sale this week, but there were
several single 442 wheels for sale in the Parts for sale area at 442.com


Mark 
87 442 
71 Cutlass S

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:14:45 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds' logo license plates

 

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:20:23 EST
From: Fireman431@aol.com
Subject: Re: FS: 68-75+ Olds Parts

Remove me from mailing list.

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:17:45 EST
From: GraphixRUs@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds' logo license plates

To all list members,
  My wife &  daughter can produce  any logo, verbage or photo you want on a
license plate.
  E-mail  : GraphixRus@aol.
  Thanks,
Roger Utter

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:32:28 EST
From: MAT68442@aol.com
Subject: Olds only show and go

Did anybody see in the March issue of Popular Hot Rodding, Page 78-79, Titled
(No Olds Barred) Good story. Question I have is, does anybody have any dates
for this years olds show at Norwalk Raceway in Norwalk, Ohio. I see in the
article that the show is put on by Dick Miller Racing out of Memphis, Tn. Any
info would be appreciated.


Mark
87 442
71 Cutlass S

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 21:41:41 -0500
From: "Bill Reilly" <wjreilly@erols.com>
Subject: Re: march 99 Car craft

Gary,

This really doesn't answer your question but I thought I'd mention it.  Page
68 March Car Craft.  Comp cams now offers hydraulic ~roller~ cams and
lifters for Poncho and Olds V8s.  Allows you to retrofit roller lifters into
a non-roller early block.  Might want to check it out.

Also did anyone notice the ad on pg 36 for Sherman body parts.  Shows a
picture of repo floor pans, full length, for '81-88 G-body cars.  Wonder how
those cost and I wonder what else they sell for g-body cars?

Bill Reilly


- -----Original Message-----
From: Gary Couse <gjcouse@francomm.com>
To: Oldsmobile@Chebucto. Ns. Ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; G-Body List
<olds_gbody@listbot.com>
Date: Sunday, February 07, 1999 7:56 PM


>Hello Oldster's
>
>Can a 307 "Y" accept a regular cam and tappets? Not specifically talking
>about a "9" cam, but rather the many available after market. Are the
>rockers, & push rods length different between the 2 engines? Yes, I realize
>the "Y" heads are rather choked with small ports. Why did GM go do that,
>emissions purposes?
>
>-----Regards,
>
>Gary J. Couse
>Couse Custom's
>
>ICQ# 5209322
>gjcouse@francomm.com
>gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com
>
>Custom Conversion Prototype:
>CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
>http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com
>
>Project Forum Delphi Site:
>http://www.delphi.com/cc_iroc_ss
>

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:15:06 EST
From: RmeCbtEngr@aol.com
Subject: Re: broken fuel gauage-Help

Ref fuel gauge ,     unplug the wire at the sending unit / fuel tank  and
grouong it   if the gauge moves to full the sending unit is bad  

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:22:56 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: 500HP 455 In magazine

       While perusing the local Safeway magazine rack, I noticed the current
copy of Petersen Publishing's "Engines". In it, there is an article on
building a 500hp 455 Olds, replete with Mondello part #'s, for anyone so
inclined to pick it up. Also just glancing at it, it had mention and picture
of the Aluminum Heads that have been promised Olds enthusiasts.
												
Dorian

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:32:08 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Non Olds Notice

Sorry List:

Anyone having problems contacting me, please check your address books. Make
sure you haven't picked up a misspelled return address I faultily entered
into OutLook.

Should be:

gjcouse@francomm.com

and should not be:

gjcouse@framcomm.com

Many people responded to any number of wrongly return addressed e-mails that
may have deposited the wrong address to your address book. I've corrected
the problem and all should work now. Just check your references for me
whatever client you run.

Again, I'm sorry Greg & List. Only way to let all know.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
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gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

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Date: Sun, 07 Feb 1999 19:46:21 PST
From: "Erwin Mendoza" <olds87442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: march 99 Car craft

Did you also happen to notice on page 12 of that same issue the '64 
Ch**y Malibu wagon that has an Olds 455 in it!!!? I thought that was 
pretty neat!!

Erwin Mendoza   
1987 442
1999 Dodge Dakota 4X4 extended cab (daily driver and parts fetcher)
OCA#29671
Edison, New Jersey
      


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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:53:03 EST
From: PFAU27@aol.com
Subject: unknown olds engine

hi i was wondering if anyone can tell me all the info i can get on this engine
the numbers are 557752-3b thanks abunch

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:56:13 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: trans fluid change

In a message dated 2/7/99 2:42:31 PM Pacific Standard Time, shang@connect.net
writes:

<< Brian,
 
 	You should expect 4-5 quarts to refill after your fluid change. After
 you have replaced the filter and gasket and are ready to refill, add 3
 quarts, then start the motor and add accordingly. The level must be
 checked with the engine idling in Park. >>

       Don't forget to run through the gears before checking it in park though
(and that its warm..fluid expands as it warms)...that also can tell you by
feel if you have enough fluid..if it doesn't engage, theres not enough fluid :
) Dorian

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:12:14 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Dual Gate shifter.

I messaged you earlier.  Please hold the
Dual Gate shifter and console for me until we
get in touch.  I am seriously interested.

Does the shifter include the cable?

If you get a chance, please respond with the
total best price you will offer for the console, shifter, and cable if
not included plus shipping
to Hartland, WI  53029.

Take care, and I will be in touch with you
Monday.

One more thing.  Do you have available a
70-72 Cutlass, etc.  Speedometer with the speed warning feature?  Quote
that also if you
do.

(home address:)
Kevin D. Wood 
685 Timberline Trl #203
Hartford, WI  53027

(shipping address:)
Kevin D. Wood
C/O Badger Electric
1425 Walnut Ridge Dr.
Hartland, WI  53027

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:25:01 -0500
From: "Bill Reilly" <wjreilly@erols.com>
Subject: Re: march 99 Car craft

And one last Olds sighting in CC, pg 86.  There is a pictuire of a g-body
cutlass catchin' some major air at an ~off road~ race.  Way cool.

Bill

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From: Erwin Mendoza <olds87442@hotmail.com>
To: wjreilly@erols.com <wjreilly@erols.com>; oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
<oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; olds_gbody@listbot.com <olds_gbody@listbot.com>
Date: Sunday, February 07, 1999 10:47 PM
Subject: Re: march 99 Car craft


>Oldsmobile G-Body Mailing List - http://cyberglyphs.com/gbody/
>
>Did you also happen to notice on page 12 of that same issue the '64
>Ch**y Malibu wagon that has an Olds 455 in it!!!? I thought that was
>pretty neat!!
>
>Erwin Mendoza
>1987 442
>1999 Dodge Dakota 4X4 extended cab (daily driver and parts fetcher)
>OCA#29671
>Edison, New Jersey
>
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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:45:28 EST
From: CS81w350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rochester Carbs

- ---------------------
i was jsut checking this, becasue my carb is such a pain (when you floor it,
it bogs and stalls, does not shift down to a lower gear). the second butterfly
seems to be open alot more often than it sohlud, like always.
- -----------------------

If by the second butterfly you mean the two big butterflies in the back ( aka
secondary air valve), these should not be open at any time that you would get
the chance to look at them.  This is the cause of your bog or at least the
major cause.  With the air valve wide open, the engine will take in a sudden
gulp of air when you open up the secondary throttle plates (the butterflies
that are down in the bottom of the carb under the air valve) before the flow
of gas can catch up.  This will suddenly lean out the engine and cause the bog
or kill the engine.
Two things hold the air valve closed.  

1.  A small torsen spring on the end of the air valve shaft on the passenger
side.  You can't really see it from the top of the carb, but you can adjust
it.  If you close the air valve and look at where the end of the shaft that
holds the air valve butterflies comes out of the side of the carb and has a
plate fastened on the end of it that turns with the air valve,  you should see
a place to put a small flathead screwdriver.  Under this screw there is a
small set screw that screws up from the bottom that takes a little allen
wrench.  Loosen set screw - adjust spring with screwdriver enough so that it
holds the air valve closed - tighten set screw while holding the position for
the spring.  It is a rather delicate adjustment, but not difficult once you
figure out how it works.

2.  vacuum-break diaphragm.  This is the round thing on the front-passenger
side of the carb.  It should have a rod that connects it to the air valve.
the vacuum-break will only hold the air valve closed when vacuum is applied to
it (when the engine is running).  To check this, start the engine with the air
cleaner housing off of the carb (plug up any open vacuum lines) and see if the
vacuum-break pulls the air valve closed.

That should get you started.  Best way to learn more is to buy the book
Rochester Carburators by Doug Roe, and get a used carb from a junk yard to
take appart while reading.  It is amasing how simple a quadrajet is after you
have taken apart one and put it back together.

Matt Pokorny
cs81w350@aol.com
Ames, Iowa

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:45:34 EST
From: CS81w350@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rochester Carbs

- --------------------------
If for some reason your air valve is open, but the throttle plate is closed,
additional fuel will get into the engine because the rods will be lifted out
of the secondary jets.
- ------------------------------

While having your secondary air valve open all the time isn't a good thing, I
don't believe it will allow any extra gas into the engine.  The metering rods
will open, but without the throttle plates open on the bottom there will be no
airflow through the secondaries to draw out any fuel.

That's enough, it is time for Matt to go to bed.

Matt Pokorny
cs81w350
Ames, Iowa

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 22:49:17 -0600 (CST)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Kevin D. Wood)
Subject: Re: Dual Gate shifter.

Guess what. This was not supposed to be a list
post.  OOPS!  Just learning I guess.

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:47:27 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rochester Carbs

the shifting isnt the carb, its the tranny

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:53:30 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Some Q's on a 307 to 455 swap

You wrote:
1.  The Negative battery cable had a ground wire to the head on my
307.  The current 455 has no provision to attach a ground to it at the
same point. Any suggestions where to bolt that sucker down?

**********
     There is a tapped hole in the driver's side front of the block,
just behind the power steering pump, that the ~earlier~ cars used for
negative cable attachment. The only pain here is that the cable can't
be attached or removed without taking the pump off the engine! Rocket
Science!
==
"2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:55:29 EST
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds only show and go

In a message dated 99-02-07 21:34:09 EST, you write:

<< Did anybody see in the March issue of Popular Hot Rodding, Page 78-79,
Titled
 (No Olds Barred) Good story. Question I have is, does anybody have any dates
 for this years olds show at Norwalk Raceway in Norwalk, Ohio. I see in the
 article that the show is put on by Dick Miller Racing out of Memphis, Tn. Any
 info would be appreciated.
 
  >>
The 2nd Annual Dick Miller Racing Oldsmobile Power Open will be held on August
15, 1999.  This date is a Sunday.  Norwalk has a test and tune night on the
13th.  Regular racing program on Saturday, gates open at 1 pm and many
Oldsmobiles participate on that night and then Sunday is the Oldsmobile power
only event.   Dick Miller also has a car show to go with the racing so one can
either race, show or both and of course spectate or go to the swap meet area
The Ameriyost Inn is the host inn for the DMR event.   Norwalk raceway is
located 25 miles south of Sandusky Ohio or a couple hours from Cleveland.
Last year our club particpated and we had 16 cars and 23 people there from the
Oldsmobile Street Rockets of Detroit

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30 race rocket
visit the Street Rockets web page at 
http://members.aol.com/site5.html

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 20:56:32 -0800 (PST)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Electric Choke

KS7RACING@aol.com wrote:
John,
I'd be willing to bet that almost all the 231's use electric choke. 
So are you saying that the electric choke assembly from the DualJet
will fit the QJ?

Ken:
     Yes. All the Rochester integral choke units have the same
dimesions as far as the plastic choke 'unit' is concerned. Now all I
need is some cheap swap meet carbs with electic choke units :)

==
"2 + 2 = 5 for sufficiently large values of 2"

John Pajak
Lexington Park, Maryland

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Date: Sun, 7 Feb 1999 23:58:53 EST
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Rochester Carbs

In a message dated 2/7/99 8:47:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, CS81w350@aol.com
writes:

<< If for some reason your air valve is open, but the throttle plate is
closed,
 additional fuel will get into the engine because the rods will be lifted out
 of the secondary jets.
 ------------------------------
 
 While having your secondary air valve open all the time isn't a good thing, I
 don't believe it will allow any extra gas into the engine.  The metering rods
 will open, but without the throttle plates open on the bottom there will be
no
 airflow through the secondaries to draw out any fuel.
 
 That's enough, it is time for Matt to go to bed.
 
 Matt Pokorny
 cs81w350
 Ames, Iowa >>

        Only at less than 35% throttle. Lowers open at approx. 35% Could
create noticeable bog I would think on acceleration, especially from a stop.
Still not right for them to be open, and there isn't much that can keep the
uppers open. Easy to 
troubleshoot. 																	
Dorian

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 00:29:15 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: ICQ - - - - Who has it?

Would you guys send me any of yours ICQ #'s? I'm sure other olds people would
love them too
THanks, 
Kelly

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:05:53 EST
From: Oldsfire@aol.com
Subject: Re: 500HP 455 In magazine

Edlebrock is now making the aluminum heads for the Big Block Olds engines.
Some of the local parts supply houses who handle Edelbrock equipment can get
the heads for you!!!  Also Mondello has them too!!

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 01:49:23 -0600 (CST)
From: Kimberly Ann Wandrey <kaw0006@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: My New Oldsmobaby

Hi Everyone!

I hope your 1999 is going extremely well! :) I am pleased to announce my
latest addition to my Oldsmofamily: the 1964 Olds F-85. (Oh, the images
this must conjer up! ;) Heheeee!) I decided to do the deal on the Olds.
Here is the story: The Olds belongs to a friend of mine. He bought the car
in 1994 and his mother drove it for two years. Her brothers bought her a
different car and he took the Olds over. The car needed some repairs and
he ran out of money. I first thought of buying the car and fix it up for
everyday use. Then came the suspicious problems with the block which lead
to my hesitation to buy it but I have been in love with the car ever since
he brought it home. I was thinking of purchasing it at a later date, but
a minor fiasco happened.  

Then came the nice letter from the nice city saying if you do not remove
the car we will remove it and junk it for you. So Kim decided to buy the
car even if I do not fix it up to drive everyday, I will have an awsome
Olds to restore and drive as a classic. The '64 is going to need lots of
work and TLC, but he is a great start. After all of my disasters this year
(it is only Feb and 1999 has already proven to be disasterous for me: a
bonus, raise and promise of benefits that did not come through, Stepfamily
Inc spending $$$ on curtains that was meant for Junior's seat re-covering
project are some of my latest fiascos for starters) the '64 will be a nice
fun reprieve. In light of this year's events I have named the '64 Hope of
Fullfilling Empty Promises, Hope for short. :) 

Take care everyone! Be careful out there! :) 

Kim, Junior ('72 Cutlass Supreme) & Hope ('64 F-85)
Dallas, Texas
Member NTOC & OCA 
Come see us at the '99 Nats!!! :) 

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 02:00:59 -0600 (CST)
From: Kimberly Ann Wandrey <kaw0006@jove.acs.unt.edu>
Subject: Olds Sighting on TV

I watched The '60's movie on TV and the main family had an AWSOME 55-57???
(Im sorry guys, I dont know those years that well) Olds Station Wagon. On
the TV it looked like a pretty brown/bronze metallic color. Kim had a
major cow and added yet another car to her never-ending want list...;) 

My name is Kim. I am an Oldsmobilaholic. :)

Kim, Junior ('72 Cutlass Supreme) & Hope ('64 F85)
Dallas, Texas
Member NTOC & OCA

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 03:23:20 EST
From: Jetaway4sp@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds Sighting on TV

Kim,

The family car in the 60's Movie was a 1957 Oldsmobile Fiesta Stationwagon. It
was the 4 door hardtop version, Cutlass Bronze in color. I had tuned in for a
few minutes to check on their automobile props. First car I saw was the 57.
Just about jumped out of the recliner!

Joy was short lived. I was playing back the tape I made of TNN this afternoon
to record My Classic Car, Shadetree Mechanic, etc., when I caught part of a
fishing show. The fisherman were showing how they used dead trees and junk to
create fish cover on new lakes that were being built. One guy loved to put old
cars at the bottom of the lake. They showed a lake project, with the selected
automobile parked on the lake bed. It was a 1954 Oldsmobile 98! Pretty much
worn out but bumpers and chrome was intact. Geez!!!!

Randy in Oklahoma
57 88 J2

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 03:19:26 -0600
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Some Q's on a 307 to 455 swap

#1  No I would NOT attach it to the exhaust manifold. Run the ground wire
to anything metal on the front end. I would try and connect it to the core
support if possible.

#2 All I know as far as the "S" is concerned is that it is for the positive
ignition wire. The "R" is for the negative ignition wire and the middle one
is of course the battery cable leading to the battery.

#3 I dont' know..never had a 200 trans...

Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Bill Reilly <wjreilly@erols.com>
> To: oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; Olds G Body
<olds_gbody@listbot.com>; G Body Org <gbody@listbot.com>
> Subject: Some Q's on a 307 to 455 swap
> Date: Sunday, February 07, 1999 3:25 PM
> 
> Hey guys and girls,
> 
> I really need to get a garage so I can work on my cars in any weather
> condition.  I was making some progress on my '85 Cutlass project today,
> until it started snowing!  Weird weather lately.  Anyway it's coming
along
> slowly, it actually has wheels on it again and is off the jack stands and
I
> put the W-30 hood on it also.  That still needs adjustment, but it looks
> real sharp even if it's still gray gelcoat.
> 
> Anyway, I have a few questions:
> 
> 1.  The Negative battery cable had a ground wire to the head on my 307. 
The
> current 455 has no provision to attach a ground to it at the same point.
> Any suggestions where to bolt that sucker down?  Would it be a good idea
to
> attach it to the exhaust manifold or would that get to hot for it?
> 
> 2.  The starter.  The original 307 starter has only two posts on it, one
for
> the battery cable and one other one, marked with an "S".  The starter  I
> picked up for a '72 Cutlass with 455 has three posts on it, battery, the
> same "S" and another marked with an "R".  What's that one for?  Do I need
to
> go get a different starter to match more closely to what I already had?
> 
> 3.  Are there any differences in linkages, shifter cables, or what ever
> between the 200c and 200-4R?
> 
> Thanks again.
> 
> Bill Reilly
> mailto: wjreilly@erols.com
> Web Page: (Not yet)
> 
> My Garage:
> '83 Cutlass Ciera
> '84 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
> '85 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 02:54:58 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Smokey & Bandit experts???

Anyone out there have these shows memorized?  (Or otherwise T/A experts --wait,
I should maybe rephrase ~that~!)  Is it ever verified what engine he's 
allegedly
running in that car?  I'm sure a stock 403 would be shot to hell in the
beginning of the show, but it's not like it's all that accurate (Dukes of
Hazzard-style scenes... yeah right!)  but it ~would~ be nice to be able to say
"Yep, that's an Olds doing that!"   :)

Anyone know?

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 04:00:40 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???

I don't think they ever showed the engine..but it was '78 so I always
assumed it was a 403.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme -->not a 403!


Oldsmagnet wrote:
> 
> Anyone out there have these shows memorized?  (Or otherwise T/A experts 
--wait,
> I should maybe rephrase ~that~!)  Is it ever verified what engine he's 
allegedly
> running in that car?  I'm sure a stock 403 would be shot to hell in the
> beginning of the show, but it's not like it's all that accurate (Dukes of
> Hazzard-style scenes... yeah right!)  but it ~would~ be nice to be able to 
say
> "Yep, that's an Olds doing that!"   :)
> 
> Anyone know?
> 
> --
> 
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.

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 05:07:03 EST
From: Saleem676@aol.com
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???

In a message dated 2/8/99 5:00:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, shang@connect.net
writes:

<< I don't think they ever showed the engine..but it was '78 so I always
 assumed it was a 403. >>
One of the car mags had a wirte up on this a couple yrs ago. THey actually
used something like 7 different cars in the movie. I thik two of them were
powered by Ponchos, and there was even one with a 455 Olds in it. The rest
weere 403's. I'll have to dig through the stacks and see if I can't find that
article again.
S.

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 08:04:27 -0500
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
Subject: General Info

Good Morning All,

I want to start getting my car ready for the summer and have the
following questions:

1. Does anyone make headers for a 4 speed 69 442?

2. Has any one converted to a hydraulically operated clutch? In order ro
run automatic car headers.

3. has any one actually installed the new aluminum heads? if so results?

4. Is it a wise choice to convert to a BBC pilot bearing on the crank?

Tony Molinaro
69 442 4sp

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 08:12:11 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Lonely Olds

I took my youngest son Michael, the incurable Oldsmonut, to the Indianapolis
World of Wheels show Saturday.  To say we were both disappointed would be an
understatement.  Other than a handful of full on show cars, I have seen better
looking rides at a local cruise-in.  Only saw one Olds, a 79 H/O that had been
restored.  It had been a very rough (midwest rough condition) example to start
with, but had turned out well.  Other than using F*rd blue paint on the 350
engine, everything looked pretty decent.  Why they did not use the correct
color or even 455 blue is beyond me.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 08:40:33 -0500
From: Doug Ahern <doug@mail.RATH.PeachNet.EDU>
Subject: Re: need radiator hoses for a 64 Olds Cutlass 330

roger h wrote:
:On 2/5/99, at 4:03 PM, Doug Ahern wrote:
:>Anyone have a source for molded radiator hoses for a 64 Olds Cutlass 330?
:>radiator's top hose is on driverside, bottom hose on drivers side as well.
:
:I have a silly question, Doug. have you tried NAPA?

I should have explained. Yes I tried the local parts counters. Pep boys and
Bumper to Bumper lists them only as flex hoses, my local Parts Plus shop 
doesn't carry them, NAPA, and a privateer list a Dayco number that doesn't fit.
the top radiator inlet is much larger than the water necks, the dayco
could be made to fit (wrong shape too) if it was a large enough diameter
to need over the radiator inlet.

thats why I posed such a dumb question.

If anyone has purchased a top radiator hose for a 64 Cutlass 330 in the last 
couple years and it still has a manufacturer name and number on it, could
you mail it to me?

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 08:51:27 -0500
From: Jeff Howell <howell@bbt.com>
Subject: Re: SX question

Where will I find this #?


Robert Barry wrote:

> >Can you tell where exactly this letter will be stamped? I think I saw a
> >"KA"
> >stamped just below the valve cover on the front left hand side.
> >_________
> >
> >That's the one.  Ka heads are 73-76 marine/irrigation/service replacement
> >heads.  Big valves, hardened seats.  Not original, but not a bad choice for
> >street driving on today's gasoline.
>
> They were also on the highest-hp stick production cars in '73 (and '74?) As
> noted, great head for the street, up there with the F's and H's.
>
> But, check the casting on the other head; if it was a service replacement,
> the other head may be original. You can check the 6-digit casting # to make
> sure it's the same as the driver's side head.
> _______________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
> http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 05:53:19 PST
From: "Ryan D" <riviera72sss@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Lonely Olds

Man you should come up to the World of Wheels show in IL!
They had 2 69 442 one was pro street ,and one show,and a 85 hurst with
 only 9K orig mil!
and they had a 67 cutlass 455 with blower(really cool!)
it sound's safe to say that this car show has my old's in it .

Thanks.
)

>
>I took my youngest son Michael, the incurable Oldsmonut, to the 
Indianapolis
>World of Wheels show Saturday.  To say we were both disappointed would 
be an
>understatement.  Other than a handful of full on show cars, I have seen 
better
>looking rides at a local cruise-in.  Only saw one Olds, a 79 H/O that 
had been
>restored.  It had been a very rough (midwest rough condition) example 
to start
>with, but had turned out well.  Other than using F*rd blue paint on the 
350
>engine, everything looked pretty decent.  Why they did not use the 
correct
>color or even 455 blue is beyond me.
>
>Dave Wyatt
>70  4-4-2
>
>


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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 08:54:32 -0500
From: Jeff Howell <howell@bbt.com>
Subject: Re: for SX information (was Re: SX question)

I would love to see a copy of this article. Can you email it ?

Robert Bishop wrote:

> At 11:57 AM 2/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> >> >You might also see the June, 1993 edition of the now defunct magazine
> >> >"Buick, Olds, Pontiac" Collectors Guide. It has an article on W-32 & SX
> >> >Cutlasses.
> >>
> >> Does anyone have a copy of this magazine that I can pay them to photocopy
> >> pages from?
>
> I happen to have a copy of this magazine. If you would like a photocopy of
> the SX article let me know at:    rbishop@iamerica.net
>
> p.s. to Robert Barry:  the pics are of 70 SX's, right up your alley!
>
> Thanks
>
> Robert Bishop

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 07:55:02 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: SX question

It is located in two set of 3#'s between the lower middle valve cover
bolt.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

Jeff Howell wrote:
> 
> Where will I find this #?
> 
> Robert Barry wrote:
> 
> > >Can you tell where exactly this letter will be stamped? I think I saw a
> > >"KA"
> > >stamped just below the valve cover on the front left hand side.
> > >_________
> > >
> > >That's the one.  Ka heads are 73-76 marine/irrigation/service replacement
> > >heads.  Big valves, hardened seats.  Not original, but not a bad choice 
for
> > >street driving on today's gasoline.
> >
> > They were also on the highest-hp stick production cars in '73 (and '74?) As
> > noted, great head for the street, up there with the F's and H's.
> >
> > But, check the casting on the other head; if it was a service replacement,
> > the other head may be original. You can check the 6-digit casting # to make
> > sure it's the same as the driver's side head.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Dr. Robert Barry   MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
> > http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels
.

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:14:50 -0500 
From: Darren King <KingD@sx.com>
Subject: carb

What a crime...I should be in this business.  I routinely get 
Rochester 4 barrel carbs for nothing (or 10-20 bucks)  it costs
about 30-50 bucks to rebuild them.  Try it...just hit the swap
meet, pick up a couple and spend a day (get the Doug Roe book).

Darren King
79 Firebird...79 Cutlass Salon...88 S10 4x4(pickup, not Bl*zer)

Date: Sat, 6 Feb 1999 13:05:59 -0500
From: "Erik Gertsen" <ainode@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Rochester Carbs

hey i didnt know if the rest you knew this, but apparently auto zone carries
rebuilt rochesters (stock) w/no core charge for $177.00 each. i think that
souns liek a good price , and they get a 1 yr waranty too. Si there somting
i any be missing here?
Erik

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 09:21:59 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: HURST OLDS

How about I paint Baldwin Motion on one side an Yenko on the other. Then
you'd have the best of both worlds. ha ha

Omega Man



At 05:41 PM 2/5/99 -0600, you wrote:
>well maybe you could paint baldwin motion on it?
>-----Original Message-----
>From: jason shreve <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Saturday, February 06, 1999 1:17 AM
>Subject: Re: HURST OLDS
>
>
>>Well I guess your out of luck no 70 Yenko's that I know of.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>the only way i would consider a 70 camaro over a 442 would be if it had
>>>YENKO painted on the car 
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 08:30:00 -0600
From: Eric <big_olds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Alternator Dying (75 Cutl)

Thanx,
it is an internal design, so after a quick belt/wire check, I just put a
rebuild in, my cost was $20, so all in all it was an easy morning (the
rest of the time on the heater-fan not working on high was NOT, however,
fun)
The bearing was pretty hurting anyways, so it worked out OK...

Eric
http://www.dlcwest.com/~jed/

Chris Rivier wrote:
> I am guessing it has an internal voltage regulator-one wire design.
> 
> You could also have your alternator bench tested.  Call local auto parts
> shops.  Some will check it for free.

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 09:31:54 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?

In a message dated 2/5/1999 1:50:52 AM Eastern Standard Time,
shang@connect.net writes:

<< Safety inspections yes, but not emissions, which was what we were
 discussing. :) >>


My point was that, regardless of the state, a vehicle traveling in a given
state must conform to that states motor vehicle code.  This can be safety (we
look for emission related stuff here) or emissions.  Now, the question becomes
what will the states enforce on out of state motorists.

Bill K

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 09:43:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Robert Yasczak <VJTD@grove.iup.edu>
Subject: Wheel ID

This weekend my father picked up 4 chrome GM rallye wheels.  We are not able to
figure out what make they are from.  It is between Buick and Olds, but are not
sure.  What is the diameter of the center hole on the Olds.  I found the codes
on the inner rim if anyone can tell me what they are it would be greatly
appreciated. 
       100577	14x6	JJT        100377     14x6    JJT
	914	    MW6       and   914 	MW6
If they are Buick's, will the Olds center cap fit on them?  We would like to
put them on our 1969 Cutlass S convertible to replace the SSII's on it
currently.  TIA
		Robb Yasczak	vjtd@grove.iup.edu
	
		1969 Cutlass S convertible
		1969 442
		1976 442
		1987 Cutlass Salon
		1998 Intrigue GLS	

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:00:53 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 500HP 455 In magazine

 ...Petersen Publishing's "Engines".
_________

Not to detract from the article, but it is just a reprint of the one that
appeared in Car Craft last year.  My only point is that if you have the Car
Craft article, don't waste your money on the Engines Annual.  If not,
here's a second chance to get a copy (although, note that the whole buildup
is the same 455 Olds motor Mondello has been building for the past 20
years, so if you have any other Mondello buildup article, or his tech
manual, you already have all the information contained in this latest
article).

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:16:49 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?

In a message dated 2/5/1999 10:47:50 PM Eastern Standard Time,
barbw@uswest.net writes:

<< Yeah, big brother is definitely too big in Arizona. >>


Big brother is definitely too big everywhere.....   and he's not so much of a
brother as a master.

Bill (uh-oh, I hope he didn't see that) K

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:17:46 EST
From: Oldsfire@aol.com
Subject: Re: General Info

Here is some info on a 455 Olds engine that they installed a set of those
Edelbrock aluminum heads on.  They used a 455 .030 overbore, federal mogul
forged pistons which produce a 9.5 to 1 compression ratio, a cam with
.496/.520 lift and 290/300 degrees duration, a 750 cfm carb, edelbrock
performer intake and a set of 2" primary headers   At 4,000 RPM the engine
dynoed in at 449 horsepower with 542 ft lbs of torque.  The heads have 77cc
chambers.  Now thats what I call a stump puller!!!

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:20:35 -0500 
From: "Eckart, Douglas A. SFC" <eckartd@emh.gordon.army.mil>
Subject: Plates and Clocks

My special plate for the last 10 yrs is "RKTPWR" simple and works for me.

About the quartz conversion, try Instrument Services, they're listed in
Hemmings, and cost about 49.00 for the kit, and you can do it yourself
instead of sending your clock!.  The conversion takes about a half a hour.
v/r

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:22:48 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?(long)

In a message dated 2/5/1999 11:58:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
mbloomer@mindspring.com writes:

<< Taken across the nation as a whole there are far more miles put on our
highways by big trucks than cars.  >>


Diesels pollute in a different way then gas cars.....  they pollute a ground
level.  Their smoke falls instead of rising like a gas vehicle.  However, laws
governing diesels are coming about rapidly.  Also, the next big target of the
ETA (environmental terrorist agency) are lawnmowers.....  seems these things
pollute a lot.  Next it will probably be your fire place, then your mother in
law, then you.....   good luck America! 

Bill K

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:33:26 EST
From: Gutlass66@aol.com
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?(long)

Very true, but get a 80's diesel Cutlass while you can, and put a wicked 455
in it, no emissions for now, if you do it quick. Lawnmowers will now have to
go to 4 cycle engines, to polute less, but the fact is, that they will never
put a Cat or anything like that on one, i hope
Kelly
1966 Cutlass
http://www.angelfire.com/wa/Olds442z

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:32:59 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?

In a message dated 2/6/1999 3:32:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
lbiggs@intertek.net writes:

<< Which State has on the license plates, "LIVE FREE OR DIE", must not be
 Arizona. >>


It's just a saying.... they don't really care anymore.   In fact, I can't
imagine they haven't outlawed the saying since it conjures images of
patriotism and such... these are subversive and dangerous ideas today.

Bill K  

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:34:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: need radiator hoses for a 64 Olds Cutlass 330

Doug, to ask the next most obvious question, have you tried Fusick's? They
have molded hoses for just about everything, even the heater
core-to-engine ones that were discontinued a long time ago. I think they
are having them all reproduced.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 10:43:08 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?(long)

I say lets recycle all these new cars just sitting on dealer lots by the
millions and make reproduction parts for our old muscle cars. How long can
this planet support manufacturing hundreds of thousands of new cars each
year? Where are we going to put 'em. When there are finally too many cars
the first place "big brother" will look to begin reduction is with our
classics. Oh well. By then this will be Communist America and we will all
get our monthly rashions from our govenment supporter and commute to our
jobs via public transportation because it will be 'illegal' to even own a
car much less put gas in it.
Hopfully it won't happen in my lifetime.

Omega Man
(in a good mood today)
'74 Omega S 455

At 10:22 AM 2/8/99 EST, you wrote:
>In a message dated 2/5/1999 11:58:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
>mbloomer@mindspring.com writes:
>
><< Taken across the nation as a whole there are far more miles put on our
>highways by big trucks than cars.  >>
>
>
>Diesels pollute in a different way then gas cars.....  they pollute a ground
>level.  Their smoke falls instead of rising like a gas vehicle.  However,
laws
>governing diesels are coming about rapidly.  Also, the next big target of the
>ETA (environmental terrorist agency) are lawnmowers.....  seems these things
>pollute a lot.  Next it will probably be your fire place, then your mother in
>law, then you.....   good luck America! 
>
>Bill K
>
>

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 07:48:21 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re: '70 O.A.I. Intakes & Such Talk Recommendations [Be Gentle.... ]

>Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 15:10:25 -0500
>From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
>Subject: Re: '70 O.A.I. Intakes & Such Talk Recommendations [Be Gentle....]

>Steve,

>I assume the car isn't an original W-30, 

No it isn't when I got the car It had a 350, which kicked a rod 2 months
after getting it!  That's what prompted the restification.

>otherwise you wouldn't be asking
>the question.  I'd go with the aftermarket intake, assuming you can live
>with the fact that the O.A.I. adapter won't fit (you'll need one of Greg
>Rollin's cut out units).  If you want the O.A.I. to look stock, you'll need
>to keep the W-intake (assuming you already have one - otherwise, spend the
>$600+ elsewhere).

>Oh, if you _do_ have a correct early 70 intake (OLDSMOBILE W-455 instead of
>OLDS W-455), I'll be happy to take it off your hands.  ;-)

Damn joe You have ~enough~ nice stuff already   ;)

>I currently have an incorrect 71-72 intake for my 70.  (Oh, the shame of it
>all...)

>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com


Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:52:50 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: Smokey & Bandit experts???

In a message dated 2/8/1999 5:08:10 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Saleem676@aol.com writes:

<< One of the car mags had a wirte up on this a couple yrs ago. THey actually
 used something like 7 different cars in the movie. I thik two of them were
 powered by Ponchos, and there was even one with a 455 Olds in it. The rest
 weere 403's. I'll have to dig through the stacks and see if I can't find that
 article again. >>


I don't recall the 455 Olds, but some of the cars did have the 400 Pony in
it....  they were 4-speed cars.  

Bill K

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:03:44 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: General Info

In a message dated 2/8/1999 8:21:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com writes:

<< 2. Has any one converted to a hydraulically operated clutch? In order ro
 run automatic car headers.
  >>


I am doing this in order to get an easier clutch pedal.  While I am using a
BBC, it should be pretty much the same deal.  

While there are several manufacturers of the hydraulic throw out berrings, I
am using a slave cylinder off of a Chevy pick up.  I made a bracket and
installed it, not too complicated.  Next, I will make brackets to adapt the
master cylinder to my firewall/clutch pedal.

I used the truck stuff so that if it ever breaks, it will be readily
available.

Hope this helps!
Bill K

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:06:22 -0500
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: quartz conversion

List,
            I just ordered a quartz conversion
kit from Instrument Services out of IL. I will
keep everyone updated - the kit is $55.00
with shipping - a bit less than the $100.00
I was quoted elsewhere, but this was with
them doing the work...

The General ....   :o{)}

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Date: Mon, 08 Feb 1999 09:11:33 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: General Info

Tony Molinaro wrote:
> 
> Good Morning All,
> 
> I want to start getting my car ready for the summer and have the
> following questions:
> 
> 1. Does anyone make headers for a 4 speed 69 442?

Wouldn't the headers for a 69 442 automatic work?  I didn't realize that the
type of transmission was a factor.  That is to say, I thought all headers where
bent to allow for the linkage.  FWIW there was recently a pair of used headers
that would fit a 69 for sale for $20 on the list.
 
Sorry, I don't know diddly about manual tranny's.
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 11:08:48 EST
From: Onebil2mny@aol.com
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?(long)

In a message dated 2/8/1999 10:36:02 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Gutlass66@aol.com writes:

<<  but the fact is, that they will never put a Cat or anything like that on
one, i hope >>


It had already been suggested more then once.....   Scary eh?

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Date: Mon, 8 Feb 1999 10:15:39 -0600
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: worth upgrading cam in a 350?

Here's one for you cam experts.

I was wondering through my folder of car receipts (almost crying) when I
found my cam spec card.  I have a really mild cam and I'm wondering what the
HP increase vs. cost to get a little more aggresive one.

What I have: '71 cutlass, 350 with forged flat-tops and original heads with
AIR bumps ground out and three angle valve job.  Comp. Cams roller rockers.
Should be around 9.5:1 comp ratio.  TH-350 tranny with B&M 2000rpm stall
torque converter.  3.08 rear end with 26" tall tires.  Edelbrock performer
intake and 600cfm carb.  Headers, dual exhaust.  Daily driven, highway
cruise of 3100rpms at 80mph indicated (most likely 75mph).

I have a Crane max velocity hyd. cam with 260/272 advertised duration.
204/216 @ 050.  valve lift of 456/484.  The card says recommened rpm range:
1500-4000. I also used Cranes bleed down lifters.

I shift between 5000-5500 when running it out.

The lifters have over 50K miles on them, I was wondering if I should go up
to a different cam and use non-bleed lifters.  I don't like my smooth idle,
a little bit of lope would be nice.  If it's only going to be a little bit
of HP increase, i won't even mess with it.

Bring on the suggestions!

- -greg z

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