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oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, February 4 1999     Volume 01 : Number 1753



Re: A.I.R. Manifold availability?
Inter State Emission testing?
RE: GJC needs to know...
RE: Gender was: Bile was: How about....
Re: Inter State Emission testing?
Re: Inter State Emission testing?
Re: 69 Olds Cutlass hi from dixie
Re: Black Oil
Re: olds history center
Re: Distributor Info: (was: Re: need distributor info)
Re: Distributor Info: (was: Re: need distributor info)
Re: olds history center
Re: Intake Manifold Install
Re: Inter State Emission testing?
Re: 442 Stripes
Re: Just thinking
Re: Thanks for the Advice
Re: Fastest Oldsmobile Powered Car Alive?
RE: A.I.R. Manifold availability?
stalling...
Re: Emmsion Testing
valve cover leaking
Re: Inter State Emission testing?
Re: Thanks for the Advice
regret
Re: valve cover leaking
Whoops! was: Sid "Groundhog" Viscious + SOM
Re: Oldsmobile History Center
Re: Fastest Oldsmobile Powered Car Alive?
Re: Inter State Emission testing?
Re: Web page updated
Re: Vacuum lines on 71 88 (Was: need help)
Promotional model - 1968 442 on ebay
toronado info
Re: Fastest Oldsmobile Powered Car Alive?
Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?
Re: Engine Builder
List Language (was Re: Black Oil)
Date:	Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:12:10 -0800 
Re: Engine Builder -Reply
Re: toronado info
Re: New Hot Rod
Re: New Hot Rod
Selling parts (was Re: Just thinking)
REQ: for SX information (was Re: SX question)
Re: A.I.R. Manifold availability?
Re: SX question
Stock HEI & MSD 6AL
RE: for SX information (was Re: SX question)
Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers
Re: New Hot Rod
HURST/OLDS PRICES
Re: toronado info
Re: New Hot Rod
Re: Got the 455 Performer
HyperTech Chip fer '85 Cutlass Brougham
this day in history
Re: Stock HEI & MSD 6AL
Re: More 455 Head IDs

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 01:17:26 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: A.I.R. Manifold availability?

Aren't these available from "HELP?" I know I see quite a few different
ones in that section in the parts stores. I don't have any idea how much
they cost though.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

Gary Couse wrote:
> 
> Anyone know if the whole dreaded "A.I.R. Manifolds" for the 80's era Olds
> head exhaust ports still available from Olds? Price $$$ ?
> 
> -----Regards,
> 
> Gary J. Couse
> Couse Custom's
>
.

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 02:53:33 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Inter State Emission testing?

In emission testing, a car needs only meet the test standards for the
registering state no mater how many states the car visits during that
registration period? With some states implementing "road side spot testing"
would a passing certificate from the registered state testing facility
"void" any spot emission test from another state being driven through?
Interesting quandary. I suppose though upon a visual check spotting twin
cats where factory standard for the model was one, could get you impounded?

Things that make ya go, Huummmmmm...

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

Project Forum Delphi Site:
http://www.delphi.com/cc_iroc_ss

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 02:58:56 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: GJC needs to know...

Thanks Karl...

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com 

Custom Conversion Prototype: 
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

Project Forum Delphi Site:
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of KarlAune@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 1:22 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: GJC needs to know...
> 
> 
> In a message dated 99-02-01 18:27:02 EST, you write:
> 
> << Karl,
>  
>  Where is the caravan going to originate at? I know I should know, but I
>  simply don't know. I know you know, so put me in the know.... >>
> 
> OK.
> 
> Karl lives in Chicago.
> 
> >From there, he intends to head south (if obliquely).
> 
> St. Louis is a likely first stop.
> 
> Willing to arrange a meeting point in Chicago or en route to St. Louis to
> gather others from due East, West, or anyone further North, like 
> Chris Ruper,
> or any Canadians.
> 
> Understand Karl means a caravan, and intends to start mebbe as 
> early as June
> 20 just to ensure time to make enough stops on the way. After 
> National Meet,
> some stops may not be made by all involved. Karl would like to be 
> at work that
> Sunday night, but has it off in case.
> 
> At this point, brunt of route is up in the air. K.C. is a possible stop.
> 
> Gotta find where Karl packed his road atlas......
> 
> 
> SOM
> 
> &KA
> 

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 03:01:22 -0500
From: "Gary Couse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: RE: Gender was: Bile was: How about....

Quincy's definitely all Testosterone.....

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com 

Custom Conversion Prototype: 
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

Project Forum Delphi Site:
http://www.delphi.com/cc_iroc_ss

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of KarlAune@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 1:22 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Gender was: Bile was: How about....
> 
> 
> In a message dated 99-02-01 19:27:14 EST, you write:
> 
> << K:
>  Is SOM of the Male or the Female persuasion?
>  Lou >>
> 
> While "Soylent" does not normally conjure up a picture of 
> femininity, Karl has
> always treated "her" as best he could.
> 
> For that matter, neither do "Charity", "Constance", or "Chastity".
> 
> Sorry ladies!
> 
> SOM
> 
> &KA
> 

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 02:03:32 -0600
From: <shang@connect.net>
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?

That does make me go hmmmmmmm, I don't see how a road side spot check
could be applicable to an out of state vehicle. The emission
requirements are not the same state to state, and I sure the heck am not
going to try to get my Olds to pass for California standards!

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme

Gary Couse wrote:
> 
> In emission testing, a car needs only meet the test standards for the
> registering state no mater how many states the car visits during that
> registration period? With some states implementing "road side spot testing"
> would a passing certificate from the registered state testing facility
> "void" any spot emission test from another state being driven through?
> Interesting quandary. I suppose though upon a visual check spotting twin
> cats where factory standard for the model was one, could get you impounded?
> 
> Things that make ya go, Huummmmmm...
> 
> -----Regards,
> 
> Gary J. Couse
> Couse Custom's
> 
> ICQ# 5209322
> gjcouse@francomm.com
> gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com
> 
> Custom Conversion Prototype:
> CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
> http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com
> 
> Project Forum Delphi Site:
> http://www.delphi.com/cc_iroc_ss
.

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 00:37:22 -0800
From: Shawn Holwegner <shawn@holwegner.com>
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?

On Thu, Feb 04, 1999 at 02:03:32AM -0600, shang@connect.net wrote:
> [not] going to try to get my Olds to pass for California standards!
> 
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Supreme
- ---end quoted text---

	Wouldnt have to. with the new smog ceritifications, anything before
'72 doesnt have to pass smog. My poor '85 though did, it cost me $300 because
my car had FEDERAL smog for year but not CALIFORNIA smog. (translation:
the f**in' car dealerships here greased a few erm... nevermind)... YET the 
car STILL HAS TO PASS CALIFORNIA EMISSIONS. <grumble>. Poor thing is now 
so gutlass after a new o2 sensor and setting everything back to stock,
but on a happier note, my Thermomaster is in; im installing that tomorrow.
After my registration is up, im driving to montana, registering my '85
and sticking a rather large mop handle through my cat. conv., then mailing
it to the California dmv. >;)

- - S
'85 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (307 Y/200c - TH200-R4 planned - 285k miles)
'84 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (307 Y/200c - 403 planned  - 83k miles)
- -- 
#$Bourne compatible .sig,v1.003 1998/12/09 09:16:32 shawn Exp $
set `date +"cc echo ./a.out rm Funja Ubyjrtare /tmp/t.c
main(a){while(a=~getchar())putchar(~a-1/(~(a|32)/13*2-11)*13);}"`;
$2 $8>$7;g$1 $7||$1 $7;$2 $5 $6, rznvy: $5@$6.Pbz.|$3;$4 $3 $7

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 06:34:26 -0800
From: "Peter Berusch" <pber710840@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Olds Cutlass hi from dixie

I got it from Danny Boozer's brother.  Peter.
- -----Original Message-----
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com <OldsGuyGA@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: 69 Olds Cutlass hi from dixie


>peter...that sounds like my kind of car....
>
>
>
>jeff

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 06:54:24 EST
From: CARMAN442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Black Oil

 Could'nt agree more about the language. Black oil and a bad mouth!

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 06:57:20 EST
From: CARMAN442@aol.com
Subject: Re: olds history center

How did you get your info back on the 1968 442 if you can only get 1977 or
newer ?

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 07:02:47 EST
From: CARMAN442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Distributor Info: (was: Re: need distributor info)

 Will it keep a stock look or do you have to mount a module somewhere ?

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 06:20:38 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Distributor Info: (was: Re: need distributor info)

> Will it keep a stock look or do you have to mount a module somewhere ?

I assume your talking about if you install the MSD 6A.  If your 
creative you can keep the stock look by hiding the components.
The "brainbox" should be mounted inside the passenger 
compartment to insulate it from the elements and you can either
mount it under the dash or the seat to keep it out of sight.  I 
did one installation for a guy that mounted it in the console,
completely hidden.  You can also hide the coil under the air
cleaner and spend some time making the wires look like the
factory harness and routing them our of the way.  

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 07:30:44 EST
From: RARE73OLDS@aol.com
Subject: Re: olds history center

they send you copies of brochures and break down your VIN and Data plata codes
for and give you names of auto suppliers, thats it ...I had it done on my
73...hoping they had more...not so.. 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/index.html">
HotRodHarrys73Olds455/4speed</A> 

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 06:29:00 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Intake Manifold Install

>  I don't have the plugs to plug-up the
>heat cross-over and I don't want to bother with it.  Some of you said that
>the gasket will burn through, and I can see that.  My question is what
>should I do.  If I install it as is and it burns trough, will that hurt the
>motor.  Should I try to cut it out before install.  I should follow the
same
>installation technique as with the new motor.  I had a little erratic
Vacuum
>gauge with the stock intake and I think it is because there was a little
>vacuum leak at the manifold.  There is NO WAY that sheet-metal THING sealed
>well.  The manifold is just not that nice fitting.  It worked fine (motor
>ran fine) but it must have leaked even a bit somewhere.  Igor.
>
I would definitely cut the crossover hole out just to be on the
safe side because it only takes one little piece of trash to work
it's way under an exhaust seat to cause it to hang the valve open.
Unlikely to happen but why tempt fate?  It's easy to get the intake
to not sit square on the motor which is the cause of most intake
leaks.  Never had a problem with the steel "tub" intake gaskets
and like the fact that it keeps the intake nice and dry.  Just take
your time making sure the intake is sitting square and torque
it down in sequence.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 06:44:29 -0600
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?

Being in the military, I have some experience with this.  It's normal
to have your car registered in a state other than where you live
for us and have never had a problem or heard of anybody who did.
I also know a lot of people who live out west (AZ, CA) who cheat the
system by either having their cars registered out of state or in other
counties that don't require testing.  None of those people have had
any problems either.  I was under the impression that those states
that use the spot testing target the vagrant polluters.  Without huge
clouds of smoke coming out the exhaust you would just blend in
with everyone else.

It is somewhat similar to window tint I would think.  In VA they only
allow 30% on any window.  My trucks registered in TN and has
5% tint on most of it.  I stayed in VA for 6 months and never had
any problem ~except~ with the MP's on post.  And trust me, in
VA they will check your tint on the side of the road!  Same people
who brought you the radar detector detector (VG2).

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

>In emission testing, a car needs only meet the test standards for the
>registering state no mater how many states the car visits during that
>registration period? With some states implementing "road side spot testing"
>would a passing certificate from the registered state testing facility
>"void" any spot emission test from another state being driven through?
>Interesting quandary. I suppose though upon a visual check spotting twin
>cats where factory standard for the model was one, could get you impounded?
>
>Things that make ya go, Huummmmmm...
>
>-----Regards,
>
>Gary J. Couse

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:19:19 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: 442 Stripes

>Can anyone describe the side stripes that a 71 442 (non W-30) should have?
>Are they the same as the W-30 (wide below narrow) or are they different and
>how? Anyone know of any well-published photos?

Check out a 71 assembly manual for precise specs.

>All I ever see are the W-30's.

I see more W-30's now than I did when they were new.  Hmmmmmm..............

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:25:26 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Just thinking

A few years ago a friend and myself split the cost of a $150 69 GTO that was
complete, but trashed.  After parting it out we pocketed about $600 each.  We
sold some things a little too cheap I am sure, but we helped out a few GTO
enthusiast along the way.  Your results may vary, but you can generally part
one out for more than it is worth whole.
Just remember that when you part one out, that is one less classic out there.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:30:49 -0500
From: David L Wyatt <WYATT_DAVID_L@LILLY.COM>
Subject: Re: Thanks for the Advice

>"pretty good number of hookers" for that much.  Well, sounds nice but no
>thanks.  I guess all that can happen is the car will continue to go up in
value
>and I'll continue to enjoy it.

Old cars will hold or even increase in value, the same can't be said for
hookers.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 08:35:13 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Fastest Oldsmobile Powered Car Alive?

Yea but you forgot to include the base price of a Vector is something like
$400,000! And that doesn't even include the first tank of gas. Enough about
Vectors.

Omega Man





At 09:01 PM 2/3/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>I thought it was a Ch#vy SB, 6.0L V8.  Is this a diesel block at 6L?
>>
>>Anyone know anything about this?  (Which happens to be my favorite car
>above
>>all!)
>>
>>Thomas Martin
>
>
>Thomas,
>Here's the basics of the info I have on Vector's vs. what this site says.
>1)  The original Vector is not the Vector W8 as the site says but goes
>all the way back to the W1 and first saw production (very limited) in
>the W2.  I have no specs on the W1 but have a book from '87 that gives
>a full run down on the W2.  Engine was a Donovan block SB cheby
>350 with a heavily modified TH 425 trans.  Twin-turbo fuel injection for
>a claimed 600+ hp.  Have photo's that I can scan on request.
>
>2)  The Vector Aeromotive company always had financial problems
>so the car was always little more than a tantalizing show car.  During
>the early '90's the W8 showed up with (if memory serves) an engine
>based on a BB cheby.  Trans was also based on the TH 425.  I say
>based because with both the engine and trans all the parts were custom
>manufactured and would not interchange with any of the stock parts.
>On the W8 the styling was smoothed out considerably but again, never
>really saw any volume production.
>
>3)  A couple years ago pics showed up of the WX-3.  Though I don't
>know certainly what motor it has I had heard it was similar to the old
>motor which was cheby based.  I suppose they could have used the
>Olds Indy motor, but it is my understanding that due to sanctioning
>body rules the motors are leased and none are for sale.
>
>The premise for the whole Vector series of cars is to mate aerospace
>technology and manufacturing standards and an automobile.  This
>gave you a car that felt more like a jet fighter and state of the art
>design (in theory anyway).  Everything down to the plumbing, clamps,
>and wiring were fit to put in a mil spec aircraft.  Have more info from
>the '87 book I have so if you want more info just email me.  I will be
>trying to get ahold of the owner of the web page to find out his info
>on the Olds motor and see if he wants any of my info.
>
>BTW I think the Aerotech still is the fastest Olds powered car and if
>not, it would be the IRL cars.
>
>Mike Bloomer
>mbloomer@mindspring.com
>ICQ# 19113713
>http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 07:59:15 -0600 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas_Martin-WLTM07@css.mot.com>
Subject: RE: A.I.R. Manifold availability?

I never have seen an Olds exhaust manifold that the AIR went in the
manifold, they do on SB Ch$vy, but on Olds they go into the head directly.
FAR more reliable.

I think all 5A (from 80's 307) and 7A heads are drilled and tapped for AIR,
and others may be, depends on the emissions (CA or Fed).  My 77 3A heads
have the boss', but they are not drilled and tapped.

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:02:48 -0500 
From: Darren King <KingD@sx.com>
Subject: stalling...

My 79 Cutlass Salon was a bit sluggish on pickup.  I replaced the
in-line fuel filter on the 231V6 / 2BBL setup.  It seemed to start 
better but now it stalls at lights sometimes.  Is there something
I could have done?  Replacing the fuel filter is a pretty basic thing
and I pulled a couple of vacuum hoses off the carb to get at the
fuel inlet but I checked them and they are on good.

Any ideas?

Darren King

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 06:05:59 -0800
From: Shawn Holwegner <shawn@holwegner.com>
Subject: Re: Emmsion Testing

On Thu, Feb 04, 1999 at 09:04:02AM -0500, Mitchell wrote:
> Was wondering  if you ppl that live where they have testing if you feel that 
you have less junkers on the road?   Here in Michigan we dont have to go 
through the testing and we seen to have a lot of junkers running around on our 
streets

	Well here in california, its not really much different: anything before
1972 doesnt have to pass smog, and although its only good for one year, if your
car cant pass smog (if over $350 spent on repairs) you get a year free.

	The thing that ROYALLY pisses me off (if you dont like that word,
pretend you didnt see it): if you are on welfare, you are exempt.

	So there are still junkers, but those of us with cars that
just need maintenence get royally screwed out of the deal.

- - S
- -- 
#$Bourne compatible .sig,v1.003 1998/12/09 09:16:32 shawn Exp $
set `date +"cc echo ./a.out rm Funja Ubyjrtare /tmp/t.c
main(a){while(a=~getchar())putchar(~a-1/(~(a|32)/13*2-11)*13);}"`;
$2 $8>$7;g$1 $7||$1 $7;$2 $5 $6, rznvy: $5@$6.Pbz.|$3;$4 $3 $7

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:12:26 -0500 
From: Darren King <KingD@sx.com>
Subject: valve cover leaking

When I was given my 79 Cutlass Salon with 231V6 / 2BBL,
I took it to my garage and they said it was leaking oil from the
left valve cover.  What is this a symtom of?  The car runs fine
now (it's my winterbeater) but should I be worried about this.
Should I remove the valve cover and maybe replace a gasket?

Thanks,

Darren King

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:25:12 EST
From: Stakin@aol.com
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?

<snip>
<<  I was under the impression that those states
 that use the spot testing target the vagrant polluters.  Without huge
 clouds of smoke coming out the exhaust you would just blend in
 with everyone else. >>

I wonder what will happen when they see (hear) a 68 442 ( insert your favorite
flavor )  in race tune rolling their way.  " that thing cant possibly pass ,
check him "  I despise this tactic .  I understand this might be coming to
western Washington.  Has anyone on the list gotten spot checked and failed?
What happens next ?  

Joe Stackman

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:30:17 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Thanks for the Advice

In a message dated 2/4/99 1:23:54 AM EST, dgerow@coal.stonehill.edu writes:

<< They can't
 even begin to realize that I love the car too much.  I get the "Its just a
damn
 car...take the money and run."   >>

Let me add, if you sell the car, for whatever money, the car is gone and
within a year, you'll have no idea where you spent the money. Then you'll be
one of those guys that say, "I used to have one of those, I loved that car,
never should've sold it".
That's why I keep mine.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv. (duals of course)

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:52:11 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmail@webtv.net (mark sopp)
Subject: regret

in 1979 i had a 72 cutlass s 350 4 speed hunter green/black
benchseat,like mongo, had strong feelings for car.sold it for money.from
1980 to 1993 i tortured myself over taking 2500.00 dollars for
it,easpecially when i would see it and turn around and go after it just
to see what it looked like i swore i would get another olds someday.in
93 while sitting at a traffic lite, i glanced to my left,spotted 70 442
sitting with for sale sign on it. called from car owner came down and 2
hours later i am driving a near dead,but totolly intact w 32 steel
hood,nugget gold 442 home. a sleeper,just like my 72.the guy wanted 4500
for car but knew all i had was 2500,he took it.well $,15.000 and
hundreds of hours later i have my car back,albeit too nice to drive but
ihave it.a correct restoration of this car was the toughest thing i ever
encountered.i did not do the work,just the support work cleaning and the
year it took to locate all nos parts.the moral of this this story
is,everything has a price but regret has the highest price,emotionally
and financially i could get my money out of my car now,but no way ever
would i sell it.and by the way i never married the slut that kangarooed
me into selling that first car,probablly agood thing.i might have had to
choke her out.

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:59:15 EST
From: RICH6986@aol.com
Subject: Re: valve cover leaking

Darren,
	If it is leaking oil from the valve cover then yes most likely it is 
just
that the  gasket is worn down and needs to be replaced.  Not a very expensive
job should only cost like 10-15 $ for the valve cover gaskets I just did it on
my  V-6 3.8 in my 82 cutlass the drivers side was easy but the passenger side
was a pain in the a$$  if you need any help with doing it just email me or
post it to the list.	
					
												
Good luck,
													
Rich

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:11:10 EST
From: KarlAune@aol.com
Subject: Whoops! was: Sid "Groundhog" Viscious + SOM

(((SOM tacked on to gain readership)))

I (me, Karl, whomever) owe the list an apology.

Especially the digest folks.

<< Sent: Wednesday, February 03, 1999 1:22 PM
 To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 Subject: Sid "Groundhog" Viscious  >>

That was intended to be sent privately and contained language of a sort that
caused the ejection of a new subscriber late last year.

When I saw that the reply quoted me and was to the list, I was struck, well,
almost dumb.

My sent mail log confirms it.

So I apologize.

Not only did I send non-Olds private mail to the list, but it contained words
not found in most dictionaries and properly belong to the environs that my
Oldsmobile's passenger side tires are in when parked.

I am very sorry.

(Fortunately for me, looks are not everything.)

On another note SOM is smoking.
Yes, "she" is a smokin' ride, but periodically white vapor billows out from
under the hood.

Did not notice this until after it got colder out.

Karl knows what it is.
It is from the power steering system.

Apparently, extreme front wheel angles cause fluit to squirt onto the engine
from ~somewhere~ which is the cause of the smoke and a characteristic smell.

The real problem is that he has not isolated the leak, just keeps tooping off
with PS fluid.

Anyone have this happen?

Would it be due to extreme cold, i.e. engine warmed up, but PS fluid still
severely gelled?

Thanks

SOM

&KA  <== still sorry-looking

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 07:15:36 -0800 (PST)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile History Center

<snip>It would
> have been great to get a copy of the original invoice; but I will
have to
> try other means to locate that.
==================================
Mike,

If you do find any way to find the original invoice, let the list
know! I would love to find the invoice for my 69 Cutlass S.

Del
==
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
_________________________________________________________
DO YOU YAHOO!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:18:20 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Fastest Oldsmobile Powered Car Alive?

...I will be
trying to get ahold of the owner of the web page to find out his info
on the Olds motor and see if he wants any of my info.

BTW I think the Aerotech still is the fastest Olds powered car and if
not, it would be the IRL cars.

Mike Bloomer
______________

Mike is correct in pretty much everything he posted.  The orignal Vector
(which has been around for something like a hundred years or so) was
powered by a turbocharged SBC with a modified Toro drivetrain (mounted
sideways, if I remember correctly).  The later ones were BBC powered, and
any "Oldsmobile" motor used in the car was an Olds DRCE, basically a new
Olds casting designed to accept BBC internals (as in, used by Warren
Johnson in Pro Stock).

And yes, the fastest Olds powered car is the Aerotech.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:31:39 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Inter State Emission testing?

.....I sure the heck am not
going to try to get my Olds to pass for California standards!

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Supreme
_______

Actually, you'd rather be forced to meet the Calif standards!  SB42, passed
last year, exempts all 1973 and earlier cars in California from emissions
testing.  Starting in 2003, it turns into a rolling 30 year cutoff.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:26:59 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Web page updated

First, thanks to everyone for the kind words.  A big thanks to Chris
Smetana for setting up the web page and to Ray Moriarty for snapping the
digital pics of the intakes.  Again, I need to remind everyone that the
pics are from 1987, and unfortunately both the cars and I look somewhat the
worse for wear.  Fortunately, after moving, the new job, and two divorces,
I now have the time and finances to start the lengthy restoration process.
The convert is pretty much stripped down to the bare shell for the body to
be pulled off, and my most recent 69 442 (not in the pics) is awaiting my
completion of its 455.  The orange 71, which is the one I've talked about
as getting away in the first divorce, was featured in the Oct 1985 issue of
Car Craft.

As for the two factory experimental intakes, I found both (as well as the
fuelie manifold) at swap meets in So Cal.  The July 1969 issue of Hot Rod
has a picture of some experimental Oldsmobile engines, one of which appears
to be wearing the crossram intake.  There are also a couple of Olds engines
in the picture with Webers, in addition to the one on the cover of that
issue, which is the aluminum 455 Can Am motor used in the McKee race car.
That motor appears to have a Weber manifold like mine, but in that
application it supports a mechanical fuel injection setup.  My Weber
manifold appears to never have been installed on a motor, and in fact still
has machinist's blue dye on it from the final machining process.  Both
factory manifolds have cast-in part numbers that start with "ER...",
perhaps for "Experimental Research"?

Thanks again

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:34:08 -0600 (CST)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Vacuum lines on 71 88 (Was: need help)

Keith, 

What you need is a shop manual and an assembly manual. That is a very 
good investment because you will need decent "how does this get 
connected" information all the way thru your project.

I don't know where you can get one for an 88 but I am sure they are 
available at one of the olds vendors. (Maybe some 88 owner can help you 
out on this.) If you can't find it there, try Bob Johnson's Auto 
Literature Web Site. (http://www.classicar.com/vendors/bobjautl/home.htm) 
He has an incredible amount of shop manuals and I could get some for 
pretty exotic non-classic cars there for a good price too. It is one of 
those places where some guy obviously rents an old office building and 
buys every bunch of old manuals and literature he can get on auctions. 

If you don't have emission inspection in your state and you don't wish to 
get a 100% original setup, I would rip out all the vacuum lines and go 
for an aftermarket 4 bbl setup with alu-intake and just the vacuum lines 
you really need. That is what I did to the 460 in my dayly Non-Olds 
driver and it sure was worth it. In my op. a 455 with a 2bbl is kinda 
waisted (power wise), except of course you go original which is a 
different approach. 

Hope this helps, 

George
- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 3 Feb 1999, keith miller wrote:

> I am currently putting a 71 delta
> 88 back together. the engine is a
> 455 2 barrel, and i have not been
> able to locate a vacuum hose
> diagram for this application. any
> assistance would be greatly
> appreciated.
> thanks, keith miller
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:52:02 +0000
From: Michael Baugher <michael_baugher@americancentury.com>
Subject: Promotional model - 1968 442 on ebay

For those of you not familiar with ebay, it is an online auction.
Currently there is a 68 442 promotional model avaliable. From the
pictures, it looks nice. If interested, go to this site - www.ebay.com.

Click the search button (in the red box at top of page).

Go to "Item Lookup", enter the number 63450418. This will load the 442
for sale. At this time the current bid is 9.99 and there are 6 days left
to bid.

I have no affiliation with ebay or the seller of the item. I just
thought someone might want the opportunity to check it out.



Mike Baugher (former list member)
69 Cutlass convertible

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:51:33 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmail@webtv.net (mark sopp)
Subject: toronado info

i have a shot at 77 toronado XJS  w/403 and  77 k on rack.white w/
powder blue. guy says it is rare.wants 2100.00 what is xjs option and
anyone know production #s.all info appreciated from members of this
great list.     thanx

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 10:55:36 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Fastest Oldsmobile Powered Car Alive?

At 10:18 AM 2/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>And yes, the fastest Olds powered car is the Aerotech.
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>69 442
>70 W-30
>
======================================

I thought the fastest Olds powered car was my '74 OmegaMonster................
Oh, sorry. .. I must've been daydreaming out loud again. .........the
voices...
can't...control........the voices........................
I really got to get that thing put back together..............

Omega man
'74 Omega S 455 rocket


>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 10:50:41 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: '71 VC. No ignition key. How do I remove the lock?

...is there a trick to this that was not detailed in the shop
manual?

Charles, who has a familiar sinking feeling.
___________

I've previously removed the lock from a steering column without having the
key and with the column still in place in the car (this was on a 69
Chevelle, which should be the same column as a 71 VC).  Follow the service
manual instructions for removing the steering wheel, lock plate, and horn
contact.  The lock cylinder has a spring-loaded tab which extends radially
from the inboard end of the lock cylinder; this is the tab that you depress
through the slot to remove the cylinder.  In the past I have been able to
successfully depress the tab without having the key in place and thus pull
the cylinder.  Now, to be honest, I don't know if there is an interlock
which prevents the tab from being depressed without the cylinder in the RUN
postition, and I was just lucky that the cylinder was sufficiently worn to
allow the tab to depress, or if the instruction to place it in RUN is
simply to get the lock linkage in a known position prior to removal.  I'll
try and check some lock cylinders that I have at home tonight to see if the
tab can be depressed without the key in place.

One other note.  Many times, if the column has not been apart before, the
slot through which you are supposed to depress the key will be covered with
casting flash.  You can just punch through this flash with a screwdriver,
but if it's covered the slot will not be obvious to see.

Also, VCs should not have had different keying from other 71 Cutlii.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:03:04 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Builder

> Date: Wed, 03 Feb 1999 15:21:43 -0500
> From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
> Subject: Engine Builder
> 
>Does any one know a good Olds engine builder? I  would like to put
> together  a reliable and stout street engine. 

>Can any of you guys out there do this?

>Tony Molinaro
> amolinaro@mbakercorp.com

Tony,
	You've gotta give us a little more information, geographic.  Where
the heck are ya?

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:10:58 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: List Language (was Re: Black Oil)

>>I rarely complain about language used in these
>>emails, but this one is bad.  My 8 year old son
>>reads some of these emails, and I would prefer
>>not to have that language included.  If this is too
>>much to ask, sorry for the wasted email.
>
>I read the e-mail and didn't find anything too out of line here !!!!!
>I do know that this child is exposed to alot more than three mild words
>written on a computer screen. If he watches TV or goes to school there is
>certainly more than this to look out for !!!!!!!!!! Just a Thought

While it's true that he may be exposed to such language at school, the post
being referred to (as well as some other recent posts) certainly have
included language you would *not* find on broadcast television before 10:00pm.

At the very least, I hope that we can convey our thoughts and ideas about
Oldsmobiles on this list without including any of George Carlin's list of
words that won't be said on Television (whether or not they actually have
been uttered on broadcast tv), even if the pertinent vowels are *'d out.

This is, after all, a public forum, with many eyes of different tastes,
temperments and ages, which we should keep in mind before clicking on the
"send message" button. This is not a nod to political correctness, but
rather to basic civility and decency.
________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	    MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:12:10 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Date:	Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:12:10 -0800 

> Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 15:56:19 -0500
> From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
> Subject: Re: Got the 455 Performer

>>2) I bought a set of composite gaskets to put in.  There is no hole for
the
>>exhaust to go into the intake.  Do I leave it like this or do I make a
hole.
>>I don't have EGR (obviously) and can't use hot-air chock, SO, do I leave
it
>>closed or what.  The motor has no problem running warm, so I don't think
>>that fuel vaporization will be a problem.  However, since I don't know
much
>>about it, what do I do?  Thanks.


>Igor --

>Did you get the cast iron plugs with the intake?  If you don't use those,
>your gaskets will burn through in no time. Especially with exhaust
>manifolds.

Igor,
	I'm not familiar with what you're talking about here with the cast
iron plugs in the intake.  Where are these located, and what shape are they?
Ya got me thinking now....


Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:18:32 -0500
From: Tony Molinaro <AMOLINARO@mbakercorp.com>
Subject: Re: Engine Builder -Reply

Steve,

I am in Western Pa. I was vague as not to eliminate some by geography.

Tony Molinaro
69 442 4-spd
Aliquippa, Pa

Tony,
	You've gotta give us a little more information, geographic.  Where
the heck are ya?

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:22:08 -0500 (EST)
From: throckmail@webtv.net (mark sopp)
Subject: Re: toronado info

pleasedisregard info request on 1977 toro.found out 77 was still full
size gm, loking for 78 or newer           thanx

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:22:46 -0500
From: Doug Ahern <doug@mail.RATH.PeachNet.EDU>
Subject: Re: New Hot Rod

Ron Forsee wrote:
>I'm trying to get your drift, but I think you might mean that BOP's are
>basically the same. The "C" is definitely different, as is evidenced by the  
>price tag. What was available from "C" at a much higher cost was standard on
>the BOP's. No flame intended.

no-flame taken..

I know there are differences,  I know the 442 had sway bars when C,B,&P
didn't... I know a Buick was more likely to have power windows and an
auto trans...   look at from the big picture.  a Malibu, Cutlass, Skylark,
and Tempest all share these same or similar characteristics:

	coil springs, front and rear, the same basic suspension geometry,
	the same weight, the wheel base, the same weight distribution,
	the same roll center, the same track width, the same transmissions
	(save the 2-speeds, but they are similar), the engine configurations
	(ohv v-8, each offered a 35*, a 400, and a 45* cid v8,  horsepower
	was basically the same).

These characteristics become very similar when you compare them to other
cars like a Triumph TR7, a Facel Vega, a Datsun 510 sedan, a Dodge W300
powerwagon, a Mercedes 300SL, a Land Rover, a DKW, an Austin Healy,
a Lincoln Contiental, a corvair, Falcon van....  and if you want to comapre
them to late model makes of pre-WW2 cars, 64-72 GM A-bodies begin to
seem like clones!

I'm not saying we should all drop Buick 340's in our Oldsmobiles, and
I'm not saying that I'd trade my 64 Olds for any  old Chevy, I'm just
saying that brand-X bashing is bad enough, but sibling-bashing between
GM divisions is ridiculous.  When I'm not reading this Olds forum, I'm
reading a couple Mopar forums.  All Mopars are welcome because Mopar
fans realize there is no point in sibling-bashing.. ( and a Dodge is as
different from a Desoto as  an Olds is as different from a Chevy.)  

sorry if I seem a little testy, brand-X bashing really bothers me.  I've
been on the Olds list for 5-6 years now, and it begins to  wear thin.
whats the point in brand-X bashing in an all Olds's forum?  its like
having a name calling contest while the other guy isn't around..

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:33:38 -0500
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: New Hot Rod

...coil springs, front and rear, the same basic suspension geometry, the
same weight, the wheel base, the same weight distribution,the same roll
center, the same track width...
________

Not just "...the same basic suspension geometry...", but _the same_
suspension parts (by part number), the same frame, the same steering box
and linkage, the same roof, cowl, and inner body structure, the same
electrical system, etc.  The GM A-bodies _are_ clones, and while they were
less similar than today's GM products (different engines, suspension
calibrations, and trim levels), they are all basically the same car.

And, all kidding aside, let's face the fact that the BBC splayed valve
cylinder head is a much better flowing configuration than any 2-valve Olds
factory head.  Sorry, but it's true.  Similarly, the G-block Olds 400 has
_the_ worst bore-to-stroke ratio of any American V8 ever made.  Period.
The undersquare 455 isn't too great, either.  (Of course, the Olds 350 has
about the best bore/stroke ratio of any GM 350 motor; I can only assume
that the limitations of the heads have held this motor back).  This doesn't
mean that I'm going to run out and put a BBC in my car, but let's at least
not lie to ourselves.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
79 442
70 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:37:37 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Selling parts (was Re: Just thinking)

>Please dont get me wrong here, but i was thinking. If i was to sell my car
for
>parts ('69 olds cut S) how much money do you think that i could come out
with.
>Right now i do not have a license because i got in to too many accidents with
>my other car. I have a lot of original parts, some in really good condition.
 [snip]
>needs to start. Once again, THIS IS JUST AN IDEA. Please dont respond to
>single items.

Well, as a general rule you might be able to sell the parts for about 2x-3x
what you could get for the car as one piece; the trouble is that it will
take you 10x-20x as long to sell those parts individually. In selling the
whole car, you only have to find one buyer; for all those parts, you have
to advertise the parts, find the sellers, make the deals, and deliver the
parts, some of which you'll never find buyers for.

Now, if time, money and space are no object, then it might make sense to
sell the car for parts. If, on the other hand, you want to sell it and get
on with life, then it's best to sell it as one piece. Plus, there's one
more old Olds left intact for someone else to enjoy.
________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	    MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:44:49 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: REQ: for SX information (was Re: SX question)

Now that I have space for my own web-page, I am pulling together
information for an SX page that will contain information on this option,
plus the earlier "turnpike-cruiser" 2-bbl option and the non-442 A-body
big-block availability in general, from '65-'72. I suppose a nod to the '69
W-32 option would be included as background material.

I'd appreciate any information that anyone on this list could provide me
with regarding the SX option and related cars, especially in the way of
factory literature and/or memos, whether internal or dealer items.

>You might also see the June, 1993 edition of the now defunct magazine
>"Buick, Olds, Pontiac" Collectors Guide. It has an article on W-32 & SX
>Cutlasses.

Does anyone have a copy of this magazine that I can pay them to photocopy
pages from?

>If you purchase this 71 SX, let us know.
>
>BTW, here are a few pictures of 71 SX's you might enjoy:
>
>http://www.442.com/bishop.html    (this one's mine)
>http://members.aol.com/drivevette/olds71.html
>http://www.flash.net/~texas442/'71SX.html
>http://www.442.com/bullocksx.html

I'd like to include as many SX and turnpike-cruiser pictures, or links to
pictures, as people have. Please send all relevant information directly to
my e-mail address below.

TIA! Just want the SX to have the recognition it deserves.
________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	    MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:45:49 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: A.I.R. Manifold availability?

>Anyone know if the whole dreaded "A.I.R. Manifolds" for the 80's era Olds
>head exhaust ports still available from Olds? Price $$$ ?

The should be available aftermarket, though "Help!" if nobody else. These
are normal replacement items.
________________________________________________
Bob Barry  	    MailTo:RBarry@Providence.Edu
http://studentweb.providence.edu/~rbarry/wheels/

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 11:50:15 -0500
From: Jeff Howell <howell@bbt.com>
Subject: Re: SX question

Do you know what the correct stamping should be on the heads? Also is this car
rare? It has the rally-pac and the dual gate shifter. I really don't know much
about the SX so if anybody can help...
Thanks,
Jeff in NC

Robert Bishop wrote:

> I'm looking to purchase a 71 SX hardtop and I'm trying to find production
> numbers. Can any body help?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Robert Bishop wrote:
> 71 hardtop figures is 1820.
> 71 Conv. production was 357.
> Total production for 71 is 2177.
>
> rbishop@iamerica.net
> 71 SX
>
> Robert,
> Thanks for the info. Can you tell me where in the world you found this out?
> Thanks,
> Jeff
>
> Took me many years to find this info.
> Here's where I found it:
>
> Oldsmobile History Center
> (517) 885-1502
> Lansing, Michigan
>
> They provided me with this information.
>
> You might also see the June, 1993 edition of the now defunct magazine
> "Buick, Olds, Pontiac" Collectors Guide. It has an article on W-32 & SX
> Cutlasses.
>
> If you purchase this 71 SX, let us know.
>
> BTW, here are a few pictures of 71 SX's you might enjoy:
>
> http://www.442.com/bishop.html    (this one's mine)
> http://members.aol.com/drivevette/olds71.html
> http://www.flash.net/~texas442/'71SX.html
> http://www.442.com/bullocksx.html
>
> Thanks again.

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:46:37 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Stock HEI & MSD 6AL

I'm thinking about using my stock HEI unit with an MSD 6AL unit (Mostly for
rev limiter).  Has anyone done this.  What I want to know is what's the
point of using a brand new distributor (Besides, worn bushings, springs....
ALL stuff I'd replace when I re-curve it)??


Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:57:15 -0500 
From: "Semantana Chris (ONEX)" <SemantanaC@tce.com>
Subject: RE: for SX information (was Re: SX question)

> >You might also see the June, 1993 edition of the now defunct magazine
> >"Buick, Olds, Pontiac" Collectors Guide. It has an article on W-32 & SX
> >Cutlasses.
> 
> Does anyone have a copy of this magazine that I can pay them to photocopy
> pages from?
> 
I'll have to check.  I know I've got one or two issues, but I don't remember
what months.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 08:55:00 -0800 
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers

>Date: Wed, 3 Feb 1999 18:03:35 -0400 (AST)
>From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Subject: Re: Junkyards vs. Recyclers

[SNIP]

> agree totally. I enjoy visiting junqueyardes very much. Always fun,
>always entertaining even if you don't get anything. Even if some of the
>owner/operators can be a little erratic sometimes. :)

>BTW, I always like using ye olde english spelling of the term, as
>popularized by longtime list member Bill Culp. I think he considered it a
>term of respect and/or endearment.

>I worry that a trend towards redefining these as recycling centers will
>result in higher prices, less freedom to browse, and a bunch of other
>negative things. I've seen this here locally with trash colllection
>services, which are now a mere shadow of what they once were. You almost
>have to send your garbage out for dry cleaning before they'll accept it
>now... ;-)

Greg,
	I totally agree.  I just hop we in the U.S.A. DON'T get Al Gore as
president because of this mess.  He wants to TOTALLY ELIMINATE the internal
combustion engine all together.  I'm sure all of these yards would disappear
too!

Steve Reed
'70 4-4-2 'Ragtop
Austin, TX

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 11:59:44 EST
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Hot Rod

Now I get your drift. Good point.
						

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:13:43 -0500
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: HURST/OLDS PRICES

How much are 68 and 69 H/O's going for these days? 
What about 70 W30's?
I'm gettin the itch.

Omega Man

2 '74 Omegas

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:10:20 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: toronado info

If you want the downsized third generation, you are looking for a '79 to
'85.   The '71 body style lasted through '78 on the Toronado and Eldorado.

Regards,
Fred

- -----Original Message-----
From: mark sopp <throckmail@webtv.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, February 04, 1999 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: toronado info


pleasedisregard info request on 1977 toro.found out 77 was still full
size gm, loking for 78 or newer           thanx

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 09:32:36 PST
From: "jason shreve" <jasonshreve@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New Hot Rod

I agree with this.  It is my opinion that the BBC is the best GM engine.  
But there is nothing worse than seeing a 442 with a BBC.  That is why I 
have a 68 Camaro so I can enjoy my BBC with out ruining my Olds.




>And, all kidding aside, let's face the fact that the BBC splayed valve
>cylinder head is a much better flowing configuration than any 2-valve 
Olds
>factory head.  

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:38:25 -0500
From: "James E. Brady III" <James.E.Brady.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Got the 455 Performer

Igor,
    I just did this a week ago so I will tell you what I did.  By the way I
installed the Edelbrock manifold and cam(214/224 @.050 and 0.474/0.496 lift)
as a combo.
>
>Well, I decided to get that Edelbrock 455 Performer intake.  In the end, I
>got it for 1/2 the price of new and is like new (still in box).  It looks a
>bit taller then stock, so I guess hood problems might come.  I doubt it in

It is about 2 inches taller.  I used a thinner Q-jet gasket to ensure hood
clearance.  The Performer is better than stock because the intake ports run
down and over instead of down then up to get to the intake.

>my '81 Delta because the Edelbrock Open Filter sits a little lower then
some
>other ones.  SO, since my stock Q-jet is hot-air chock, what do I have to
do
>to get the chock not to kick in.  The Performer has no hot-air provision
>(you all know that), so how do I get it not to kick in at all.  Also, I

I had the hot air choke too and had to go with an electric choke.  That
worked out great since I wanted to do it anyway.  I utilized the same
housing just swapped in the electric choke cover and plug the hot air hole.

>might try that Holly just to see if it will do anything.  I guess better
>bottom end might come from that, but it just might be too small.  I have it
>and it is manual chock, so might as well try it (nothing to lose).  SO, all
>I need now is a 750 Holly, better cam and a set of nice headers (if any
>would ever fit), 4.10s and this Delta is ready to go to the track and see
>what it can do.

I have a 650 Holley I may try on the car but I am pretty satisfied with the
Q-jet
>
>I have two questions"
>
>1) I know that distributor removal is NOT necessary on an Olds but
>recommended when changing intakes.  I don't want to remove it simply
because
>on my '81 Delta, getting at the distributor bolt is a big BITCH.  The block
>is too high (BB) and setting the timing was a fun experience.
>

I would suggest removal since you want lots of clearance so you can drop the
intake straight down on the block and heads.

>2) I bought a set of composite gaskets to put in.  There is no hole for the
>exhaust to go into the intake.  Do I leave it like this or do I make a
hole.
>I don't have EGR (obviously) and can't use hot-air chock, SO, do I leave it
>closed or what.  The motor has no problem running warm, so I don't think
>that fuel vaporization will be a problem.  However, since I don't know much
>about it, what do I do?  Thanks.

I left it blocked off.  You don't want hot exhaust gases heating up your
intake charge.  Good luck.
>
>Igor Todorovic
>1981 Delta 88 (455/th400/3.23 posi)
>
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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 09:45:26 -0800
From: Shawn Holwegner <shawn@holwegner.com>
Subject: HyperTech Chip fer '85 Cutlass Brougham

Heya folks. I've just installed a Hypertech Thermomaster chip in my '85
Brougham (yes, still 4bbl :/), and it doesnt seem to work right. there is only
one way to install it, but i digress, the check engine light is staying on.

I remove it and put the stock one in and the system is happy again...

I've tried reading the ECC codes with the paperclip test but I dont get
ANYTHING. I can hear a relay klick on and off but thats it, same with stock
and hypertech.

I called the HT tech line and he wanted a series of letters on my chip,
all I have is DECO :? I see a sequence of 3 letters on the ECC unit tho, 
wonder if thats what he wanted.

- - S
- -- 
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main(a){while(a=~getchar())putchar(~a-1/(~(a|32)/13*2-11)*13);}"`;
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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:54:11 -0500
From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: this day in history

Trivia----
- -- 1941: Seventy-six-year-old Ransom Eli Olds receives his last
auto            
         patent for an internal combustion engine design.

         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
               Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)  OCA# 4903
                             1970 W30 (red)

                      mailto:drdecal@wwnet.net
                      mailto:mcornea@ford.com

                    Visit http://www.drdecal.com
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Thu, 4 Feb 1999 12:57:44 EST
From: EDZX6@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stock HEI & MSD 6AL

Steve
     I'm using a HEI w/ MSD 6AL it works great the only reason why I'm
changing my distributor is because it's bushings etc are bad.  If your HEI is
good you should have no reason to replace it.  With the MSD 6AL you can either
hook it up as is to your dist or you can bypass the module in the dist and use
the magnetic pickup method described in the installation instructions.  I
hooked my dist up with the magnetic pickup trigger method which doesn't
require the module in the dist. only because I figure it will be one less item
that I have to worry about going bad. One more thing to keep in mind is that I
also had to purchase a tach adaptor from MSD don't recall how much it was but
it was necessary for the tach signal to be amplified so that the tach would
work.

Eddie   72 Cutlass  conv / 4spd

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Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 12:12:13 -0600
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: More 455 Head IDs

Tony, 
Great info and FAQ material! Now, what about small block heads?

Based upon dampers meaning large valves on BBs, I would think the same
for small block heads. Right, wrong? Maybe it was just the W-31 cars
that had the larger valves?
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