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oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, April 22 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1918



Exhausting...
'70 Horn Installation
Re: pulling a Churchill
Re: Exhausting...
Rear end noise.
Me vrs. Speedshop
Re: pulling a Churchill
Re: Exhausting...
Re: Rear end noise.
Re: pulling a Churchill
Re: pulling a Churchill
Re: Me vrs. Speedshop
Re: Me vrs. Speedshop
Re: '70 Horn Installation
Re: Exhausting...
Re: Exhausting...
Re: Exhausting...
Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...
Re: pulling a Churchill
Re: A, B, G bodies???
Re: Exhausting...
Re: pulling a Churchill
re: Subject: how to? R12 to 134a (the basics)
Re: Specialty Olds (was: My Olds)
Re: pulling a Churchill
Re: pulling a Churchill
Re: pulling a Churchill
Convertible Top Adjustment
Re: pulling a Churchill
Re: Convertible Top Adjustment
RE: pulling a Churchill
Re: pulling a Churchill
Re: pulling a Churchill
RE: pulling a Churchill
Re: pulling a Churchill
Re: Jefferson, WI - April 24 & 25
Re: pulling a Churchill
RE: pulling a Churchill
Re: pulling a Churchill
Yard with a LOT of parts  81-88   Cutlass RWD
Re: 350/455 swap (was 350/455 motor mounts)
Re: Exhausting...
Re: 350/455 swap (was 350/455 motor mounts)

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:26:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Exhausting...

I seem to be cursed on ever getting exhaust systems to work right on any
Olds engine. I have never been happy with the sound of the duals on my
Cutlass, but figured the bone-stock single setup on the old delta ought to
be pretty trouble-free. Wrong.

When I bought the car 2 years ago the exhaust was fine. Lasted for about a
year before some baffles started to rattle in the muffler. Then last
summer the passenger x-man cracked. No fun. Got a used x-man, cleaned it
up, had it replaced. In the procerss of doing that the shop determined I
needed a new crossover pipe and front pipe, so that was replaced also. Was
nice and quiet for about 2 weeks. Then the driver's side decided to
develop a leak. Back to the shop, new gasket on that side, problem solved.
About 2 weeks after that, the passenger side gasket blew. Back to
chuggin'. 

Took it to an exhaust shop in December (the original shop was now out of
business). They sold me a new muffler, said the manifold needed planing to
fix the rest of the noise, $100 later: no improvement in the
noise. Yesterday I finally got fed up with the noise and took it to yet
another shop. They find the "new" crossover pipe leaking at both ends,
cracked welds, broken studs, etc. Replace/fix all, another $80. Car is now
marginally quieter but the passenger side manifold is still leaking due
to the blown gasket. 
  
I figure I have close to $400 in all this work and still don't have a
silent exhaust. To say I'm annoyed is a slight understatement... 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:30:41 EDT
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: '70 Horn Installation

	Could somebody please take me through the steps on how to install the 
horn on a 1970 Cutlass with a sports steering wheel? Any help would be 
appreciated!
Thanks,
Jim McKeague
1970 Rallye 350
1970 Cutlass S W-31
drolds350@aol.com
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html">Welcome to Dr.Olds Page
</A> 

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:37:33 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: pulling a Churchill

Roger Hitson wrote:
> 
> Am copying off that Tim kid. Loading up the wife & brood & hauling them off 
to FL for awhile. With any luck, will be back. (have the sunscreen & Geritol 
packed).

The way things are right now, I would love to load up the household and
SEND them to Florida while I go elsewhere.  It isn't often I need total
quiet, but right now is one of them.  Probably be cooled out in a month
or two....  Most likely a tax season thing, but it could be 70 Supreme
convertible withdrawal.  Been at least 7 years since I had it on the
road and it is starting to get to me....

You have a safe and fun trip.  You can tell the state of Florida they
probably won't be getting any of my money this year.  I'm going to spend
most of it on fixing cars......  At least they don't talk back.  Yes, I
know they sometimes do what they want, but you can usually fix that part
eventually...

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:40:08 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Exhausting...

Geeez. For that much you could have had a 3" Flowmaster mandrel bent system
with crossover tube and everything welded up tight. I put a 2 1/2" system
on a Nova SS I had and everything fit and went together great. Never leaked
once. I sold that car but the exhaust system I put on will probably outlast
the car. I got that setup from Summit for about $320 and did the install
myself. I like the Flowmaster stuff. The Camaro/Nova setup uses a single
2-in 2-out muffler that hangs behind the rear. It has a unique growl that
sounds like nothing else on this planet. I'm going to use the exact same
setup on the Omega. 

Omega Man
2-'74 Omegas 455s both (or will be anyhow)



At 11:26 AM 4/22/99 -0300, you wrote:
>
>I seem to be cursed on ever getting exhaust systems to work right on any
>Olds engine. I have never been happy with the sound of the duals on my
>Cutlass, but figured the bone-stock single setup on the old delta ought to
>be pretty trouble-free. Wrong.
>
>When I bought the car 2 years ago the exhaust was fine. Lasted for about a
>year before some baffles started to rattle in the muffler. Then last
>summer the passenger x-man cracked. No fun. Got a used x-man, cleaned it
>up, had it replaced. In the procerss of doing that the shop determined I
>needed a new crossover pipe and front pipe, so that was replaced also. Was
>nice and quiet for about 2 weeks. Then the driver's side decided to
>develop a leak. Back to the shop, new gasket on that side, problem solved.
>About 2 weeks after that, the passenger side gasket blew. Back to
>chuggin'. 
>
>Took it to an exhaust shop in December (the original shop was now out of
>business). They sold me a new muffler, said the manifold needed planing to
>fix the rest of the noise, $100 later: no improvement in the
>noise. Yesterday I finally got fed up with the noise and took it to yet
>another shop. They find the "new" crossover pipe leaking at both ends,
>cracked welds, broken studs, etc. Replace/fix all, another $80. Car is now
>marginally quieter but the passenger side manifold is still leaking due
>to the blown gasket. 
>  
>I figure I have close to $400 in all this work and still don't have a
>silent exhaust. To say I'm annoyed is a slight understatement... 
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
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>
>

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:40:35 -0500
From: Mike Schlottman <mschlott@rsn.hp.com>
Subject: Rear end noise.

I'm beginning to get a noise that I think is coming from my rear end.  Oh I
can hear it now.  You all know that I mean my differential.  The noise is a
kind of a roaring vibration.  It realy starts to get loud at about 60 mph.
The car may have 120,000 miles or 220,000 miles.  Either way, the ring and
pinion are worn.  

My questions...
  Does the sound I'm describing fit with rear end noise?

  Will re-shimming the rear end extend it's life or would I be wasting my
time?


	mike

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:41:38 -0500 (EST)
From: hurst455@webtv.net (Corey Putnam)
Subject: Me vrs. Speedshop

   My engine was way over budget, took more than a month over what I was
quoted, and fell way short of what I wanted power-wise. Do I have to eat
this engine and count it as a learning experience? Or is the customer
always right? 
   This is probably the only time in my life, past or future, that I
will be able to have something like this built and I am very
dissapointed that for the LARGE amount of money I`m about to give them
tomarrow, I won`t be getting what I wanted.
   What kind of options can I take in with me in the morning when they
hand me the final bill? Can I ask them to make it right, then I`ll pay?
Can I trust them to put in the camshaft I wanted in the first place and
expect them to put their heart into it? 
   I`ve been running into situations repetedly that you just don`t get
what you pay for and no-body really does there job right. I was hoping
to avoid that by using a reputable shop but it didn`t happen. I`m tired
of paying for things or services that fall well short of advertised.
What can I do?

Corey (tired of "sqeeling like a pig")Putnam
75 H/O W-30
87 Regal w/Olds 455
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Boulevard/4930 

  
 

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:45:49 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: pulling a Churchill

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
> 
> "Pulling a Churchill"?  I'm flattered... better than pulling a Homer, I 
guess :)
> 
> > Am copying off that Tim kid. Loading up the wife & brood & hauling them 
off to FL for awhile. With any luck, will be back. (have the sunscreen & 
Geritol packed).
> 
> I'll be pulling one again next week -- WPB for a weekend of golf, sans
> bride & offspring.  Male Bonding with parental and grand-parental units.
> 
> The Geritol bottle in my golf bag'll be filled with Dr. McGillicutty's.

A true family reunion.  And one that you can enjoy without worrying
about ticking off the spousal unit.  A bit like going car shopping by
yourself.  You tend to get a lot more heat at the end, but the shopping
is more pleasant as it occurrs...

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:53:59 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Exhausting...

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
Snipping a load of exhaust related problems here....

> I figure I have close to $400 in all this work and still don't have a
> silent exhaust. To say I'm annoyed is a slight understatement...

The only up side is they are Canadanian dollars.  But then again you get
paid in the same monetary unit, so that doesn't help much.  Very little
is as bothersome as a leak or squeak that evades all attempts of repair.
One of the downsides to owning an "older car" is that the number of
people that actually KNOW how to fix them gets reduced by each year that
goes by as they retire, die off or just decide not to mess with the old
cars any more.  But I, and judging by this list, a lot of other people
still have a major love affair going with the "old Iron".

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:54:14 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Rear end noise.

Huge vibrating buttock?? Oh, you mean the car. Could be worn out u-joints.
Crawl under it, grab the shaft (driveshaft that is) and wiggle it around
checking for slop. 

Omega Man





At 09:40 AM 4/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm beginning to get a noise that I think is coming from my rear end.  Oh I
>can hear it now.  You all know that I mean my differential.  The noise is a
>kind of a roaring vibration.  It realy starts to get loud at about 60 mph.
>The car may have 120,000 miles or 220,000 miles.  Either way, the ring and
>pinion are worn.  
>
>My questions...
>  Does the sound I'm describing fit with rear end noise?
>
>  Will re-shimming the rear end extend it's life or would I be wasting my
>time?
>
>
>	mike
>
>

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 10:54:49 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: pulling a Churchill

In a message dated 04/22/1999 10:46:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dstaxpro@lex.infi.net writes:

<< A bit like going car shopping by
 yourself.  You tend to get a lot more heat at the end, but the shopping
 is more pleasant as it occurrs... >>

How true.  I'm sure I'll get some heat when I get back from Carlisle but it 
will be worth it.  

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:55:57 -0500
From: "Roger Hitson" <hitson@i1.net>
Subject: Re: pulling a Churchill

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 4/22/99, at 10:37 AM, Don Sowers wrote: 

<snipped>>
>The way things are right now, I would love to load up the household and
>SEND them to Florida while I go elsewhere.  It isn't often I need total
>quiet, but right now is one of them.  <snipped>

This is my alternative to sending them away (not viable at present). Hoping to 
make a little peace with the whole tribe. Wife & oldest kid in particular both 
seem pretty fed up with me these days - - of  course I never get fed up with 
them (wanna buy a bridge?)

>You have a safe and fun trip

Thanks Don. Hope to.

>You can tell the state of Florida they
>probably won't be getting any of my money this year.  I'm going to spend
>most of it on fixing cars......  At least they don't talk back.  

Agreed. That's what I did almost all winter, & still every time I think I 
might get away with it. Surely part of the reason they're p.o.'ed at too 
absent Dad. Seems like families require lots of care & feeding, even when i 
don't want to. 

Olds content: Alientated family working on an Olds, most of the time.

(B*tch & whine mode off)

roger (fixin to drive til i drop) hitson

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 11:08:39 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Me vrs. Speedshop

Try rationalizing with them first. Do they warrantee their work? If they'll
stand behind their work have them put in the cam you want. It's your
engine. Express your dissapointments and engine output vs. dollar amount.
Maybe they'll work with you without resorting to negative feelings. You
asked for one thing and they delivered something that wasn't it. From what
you described in having in this engine, 390hp don't cut it. Tell them to
find the limiting factor and replace it. Sounds like it's most likely your
cam. I'd go with Mondellos recomdation for cams when it comes to big block
Olds. Tell them to deliver the product you requested. Kick some ass!

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455







At 09:41 AM 4/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
>   My engine was way over budget, took more than a month over what I was
>quoted, and fell way short of what I wanted power-wise. Do I have to eat
>this engine and count it as a learning experience? Or is the customer
>always right? 
>   This is probably the only time in my life, past or future, that I
>will be able to have something like this built and I am very
>dissapointed that for the LARGE amount of money I`m about to give them
>tomarrow, I won`t be getting what I wanted.
>   What kind of options can I take in with me in the morning when they
>hand me the final bill? Can I ask them to make it right, then I`ll pay?
>Can I trust them to put in the camshaft I wanted in the first place and
>expect them to put their heart into it? 
>   I`ve been running into situations repetedly that you just don`t get
>what you pay for and no-body really does there job right. I was hoping
>to avoid that by using a reputable shop but it didn`t happen. I`m tired
>of paying for things or services that fall well short of advertised.
>What can I do?
>
>Corey (tired of "sqeeling like a pig")Putnam
>75 H/O W-30
>87 Regal w/Olds 455
>http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Boulevard/4930 
>
>  
> 
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:12:12 -0400
From: "gjcouse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: Me vrs. Speedshop

It depends on what happened to change the cam realities and how it happened
when it happened. When you initially setup the verbal aspect of the engine
build contract, did you specifically state your expectations of receiving a
450+ Hp, 550+ tq. motor upon completion of there work? Did you receive a
written proposal? Did you specifically request the Mondello cam? Then they
talk you into this second cam and you OK'd the change? Or did they take it
upon them selves to utilize a different cam than tell you after the work was
done about the cam swap? When you initially discussed the finished product
were you exact in your expectations and they said "We'll see what we can
do". If there side of the verbal contract was that wishy-washy up front than
you really don't have a legal leg to stand on as you OK'ed to proceed to
begin without a firm mutual understanding as to what the finished product
was to be Vs. what you would pay for. Is this a core you supplied them to
start with or did they supply the core? By that I mean if they supplied the
core and "stated" an agreement as to what the output parameters of what the
power would be, and they fell short, you can refuse to accept the engine
until it mirrors the agreed upon output. If you supplied the core you might
be out the core costs if you walk away and start with another builder. It
all boils down to that very first verbal (and or written) contract of
understanding when you and who ever discussed what the final product would
be. I have a feeling from your post that you really didn't have a solid
understanding with the builder right from the start that you would be
getting 450+Hp and 550+ tq. (Sorry don't remember your original figures).
That you might have had expectations of outcome that were not discussed up
front. I would approach the situation stating that you do not believe you
received what you contracted for in the beginning. Right now put in writing
a list of components you initially believed you were to get, (like the
Mondello cam). Than see what has not been delivered within this finished
product. If you have been wishy-washy from the start, by that I mean,
whenever a change from the original understanding took place did they inform
you and you kind said "Ah yeah I suppose", "well OK", or "I guess so". Then
your stuck as you theoretically did authorize the changes. This serves to
prove that you must be solid in your/there understanding as to the finished
product right from the start and all along the process. If you both
understood the Mondello cam was to be installed and they switched the cam by
saying "this cam is better" you probably have power to say, "See this cam
you changed to is crap, put in the Mondello we agreed on" One should always
get a written proposal as to the products to be used and the work to be
performed before any work is started or funds exchanged. Did you get this?
If not, more than likely your not working with a professional. At least in
the US this is the way it should be done. Only you and the builder know
exactly what happened along the way of building this engine and what was
changed and authorized or not. Final facts: If you have a written contract
and they deviated from that contract without your OK, then you can refuse
the engine until it is what was contracted for. If you had no written
contract than it falls to a verbal contract. A verbal contract is only as
good as the honesty of both parties. It will fall under who the judge
believes if you refuse to accept the engine. Have you placed any funds (like
a % of total cost) on deposit towards the finished product? If this is fact
than they had a finished product cost in mind (and what that cost in tailed
as to work and products). Gary....

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 11:08 AM
Subject: Re: Me vrs. Speedshop


> Try rationalizing with them first. Do they warrantee their work? If
they'll
> stand behind their work have them put in the cam you want. It's your
> engine. Express your dissapointments and engine output vs. dollar amount.
> Maybe they'll work with you without resorting to negative feelings. You
> asked for one thing and they delivered something that wasn't it. From what
> you described in having in this engine, 390hp don't cut it. Tell them to
> find the limiting factor and replace it. Sounds like it's most likely your
> cam. I'd go with Mondellos recomdation for cams when it comes to big block
> Olds. Tell them to deliver the product you requested. Kick some ass!
>
> Omega Man
> '74 Omega S 455
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 09:41 AM 4/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
> >   My engine was way over budget, took more than a month over what I was
> >quoted, and fell way short of what I wanted power-wise. Do I have to eat
> >this engine and count it as a learning experience? Or is the customer
> >always right?
> >   This is probably the only time in my life, past or future, that I
> >will be able to have something like this built and I am very
> >dissapointed that for the LARGE amount of money I`m about to give them
> >tomarrow, I won`t be getting what I wanted.
> >   What kind of options can I take in with me in the morning when they
> >hand me the final bill? Can I ask them to make it right, then I`ll pay?
> >Can I trust them to put in the camshaft I wanted in the first place and
> >expect them to put their heart into it?
> >   I`ve been running into situations repetedly that you just don`t get
> >what you pay for and no-body really does there job right. I was hoping
> >to avoid that by using a reputable shop but it didn`t happen. I`m tired
> >of paying for things or services that fall well short of advertised.
> >What can I do?
> >
> >Corey (tired of "sqeeling like a pig")Putnam
> >75 H/O W-30
> >87 Regal w/Olds 455
> >http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Boulevard/4930
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:12:34 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: '70 Horn Installation

Could somebody please take me through the steps on how to install the
horn on a 1970 Cutlass with a sports steering wheel?
_________

Jim, I assume here that you're talking about the horn contact in the steering
wheel hub.  First, prior to installing the hub, there should be a white plastic
turn signal cancelling cam/horn contact ring on the end of the column.  This is
below the lock plate, so all you should see is a white plastic tube about 3/8"
in diameter projecting from the lock plate.  The hub fits over the tube and
steering shaft and is torqued in place.  Next, a spring, brass eyelet, and
retainer ring are installed in the white plastic tube.  The retaining ring is a
small black plastic ring with a short pin sticking out from the side.  This pin
engages a slot in the tube and a quarter turn to the right locks the spring and
eyelet in place.  The steering wheel goes on the hub next with six Phillips 
head
screws, followed by the metal horn contact ring with three screws.  The contact
ring has an "L" shaped tab sticking down from the bottom which should contact
the top of the brass eyelet projecting from the white tube.  The horn button
snaps onto this ring.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:05:04 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Exhausting...

To say I'm annoyed is a slight understatement...
_________

Geeze, Greg, and to think all the anti-header people on the list sing the
praises of cast iron manifolds...  ;-)

Seriously, a couple of things come to mind.  First, next time you have the
headers off, take a straight edge to the exhaust surface on the heads.  I hate
to suggest this, but...

I assume "planing" the exhman means you've had the mating surfaces machined
flat.  What type of gasket are you using?  Mr. Gasket now makes a solid copper
exhaust gasket for Oldsmobiles which also has an embossed bead around each 
port.
Might be worth looking into.

I'm trying to figure out how the new crossover pipe could have "cracked welds".
I assume this is the one-piece under-the-oil-pan pipe used on all small blocks
with single exhaust.  Every one I've seen is made from a single piece of pipe
with flared ends.  Is the welded seam of the pipe itself the weld that split?  
I
don't have any ideas about that unless the pipe was not formed correctly and 
was
thus forced into place with a preload.  I wonder if this would be the cause of
the blown gaskets, too?  A constant side load on the exhmans could cause the
gasket to fail, maybe?

I know you've got a lot into this so far, but here's what I'd do.

Remove manifolds.  Check for flatness and grind if necessary.  Have manifolds
Magnufluxed or dye pen tested for cracks (you don't want to do this again).
Check heads for flatness and hope that they are (I needn't tell you the problem
if they're not...).  I don't know about your Delta, but every factory Olds I've
ever seen (mainly A-bodies) didn't use any exhaust gaskets.  Consider this
option, or if you want gaskets, go with the solid copper ones.  Check the fit 
of
the crossover prior to installation and correct any misalignment by bending the
tube.

Failing all that, get a 455 and custom headers...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:18:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R.Strachan" <creature48212@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Exhausting...

I bet he feels better about his exhaust now.

- --- Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com> wrote:
> Geeez. For that much you could have had a 3"
> Flowmaster mandrel bent system
> with crossover tube and everything welded up tight.
> I put a 2 1/2" system
> on a Nova SS I had and everything fit and went
> together great. Never leaked
> once. I sold that car but the exhaust system I put
> on will probably outlast
> the car. I got that setup from Summit for about $320
> and did the install
> myself. I like the Flowmaster stuff. The Camaro/Nova
> setup uses a single
> 2-in 2-out muffler that hangs behind the rear. It
> has a unique growl that
> sounds like nothing else on this planet. I'm going
> to use the exact same
> setup on the Omega. 
> 
> Omega Man
> 2-'74 Omegas 455s both (or will be anyhow)
> 
> 
> 
> At 11:26 AM 4/22/99 -0300, you wrote:
> >
> >I seem to be cursed on ever getting exhaust systems
> to work right on any
> >Olds engine. I have never been happy with the sound
> of the duals on my
> >Cutlass, but figured the bone-stock single setup on
> the old delta ought to
> >be pretty trouble-free. Wrong.
> >
> >When I bought the car 2 years ago the exhaust was
> fine. Lasted for about a
> >year before some baffles started to rattle in the
> muffler. Then last
> >summer the passenger x-man cracked. No fun. Got a
> used x-man, cleaned it
> >up, had it replaced. In the procerss of doing that
> the shop determined I
> >needed a new crossover pipe and front pipe, so that
> was replaced also. Was
> >nice and quiet for about 2 weeks. Then the driver's
> side decided to
> >develop a leak. Back to the shop, new gasket on
> that side, problem solved.
> >About 2 weeks after that, the passenger side gasket
> blew. Back to
> >chuggin'. 
> >
> >Took it to an exhaust shop in December (the
> original shop was now out of
> >business). They sold me a new muffler, said the
> manifold needed planing to
> >fix the rest of the noise, $100 later: no
> improvement in the
> >noise. Yesterday I finally got fed up with the
> noise and took it to yet
> >another shop. They find the "new" crossover pipe
> leaking at both ends,
> >cracked welds, broken studs, etc. Replace/fix all,
> another $80. Car is now
> >marginally quieter but the passenger side manifold
> is still leaking due
> >to the blown gasket. 
> >  
> >I figure I have close to $400 in all this work and
> still don't have a
> >silent exhaust. To say I'm annoyed is a slight
> understatement... 
> >
> >Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth,
> Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 09:18:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R.Strachan" <creature48212@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Exhausting...

I bet he feels better about his exhaust now.

- --- Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com> wrote:
> Geeez. For that much you could have had a 3"
> Flowmaster mandrel bent system
> with crossover tube and everything welded up tight.
> I put a 2 1/2" system
> on a Nova SS I had and everything fit and went
> together great. Never leaked
> once. I sold that car but the exhaust system I put
> on will probably outlast
> the car. I got that setup from Summit for about $320
> and did the install
> myself. I like the Flowmaster stuff. The Camaro/Nova
> setup uses a single
> 2-in 2-out muffler that hangs behind the rear. It
> has a unique growl that
> sounds like nothing else on this planet. I'm going
> to use the exact same
> setup on the Omega. 
> 
> Omega Man
> 2-'74 Omegas 455s both (or will be anyhow)
> 
> 
> 
> At 11:26 AM 4/22/99 -0300, you wrote:
> >
> >I seem to be cursed on ever getting exhaust systems
> to work right on any
> >Olds engine. I have never been happy with the sound
> of the duals on my
> >Cutlass, but figured the bone-stock single setup on
> the old delta ought to
> >be pretty trouble-free. Wrong.
> >
> >When I bought the car 2 years ago the exhaust was
> fine. Lasted for about a
> >year before some baffles started to rattle in the
> muffler. Then last
> >summer the passenger x-man cracked. No fun. Got a
> used x-man, cleaned it
> >up, had it replaced. In the procerss of doing that
> the shop determined I
> >needed a new crossover pipe and front pipe, so that
> was replaced also. Was
> >nice and quiet for about 2 weeks. Then the driver's
> side decided to
> >develop a leak. Back to the shop, new gasket on
> that side, problem solved.
> >About 2 weeks after that, the passenger side gasket
> blew. Back to
> >chuggin'. 
> >
> >Took it to an exhaust shop in December (the
> original shop was now out of
> >business). They sold me a new muffler, said the
> manifold needed planing to
> >fix the rest of the noise, $100 later: no
> improvement in the
> >noise. Yesterday I finally got fed up with the
> noise and took it to yet
> >another shop. They find the "new" crossover pipe
> leaking at both ends,
> >cracked welds, broken studs, etc. Replace/fix all,
> another $80. Car is now
> >marginally quieter but the passenger side manifold
> is still leaking due
> >to the blown gasket. 
> >  
> >I figure I have close to $400 in all this work and
> still don't have a
> >silent exhaust. To say I'm annoyed is a slight
> understatement... 
> >
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> Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 8:16 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...

Can't resist jumping in. Excuse the non-Olds content, but this seems 
relevant since this thread is basically about the laws of supply and 
demand when it comes to old cars.

Back in 1991 I bought my first car - a Plymouth Satellite Custom - for 
$400. The car was very clean inside and out, had been well maintained 
for most of its life (complete maintainance records came with the 
car), and despite it's high mileage (134,000 mi) it served me very 
well over the next few years. I liked the car so much that I began 
looking in the papers for other old Mopars, and I frequently saw ads 
for cars in good condition well under $1000.  About a year after I 
bought the Satellite I had saved up another $500 or so (I was in 
college living on next to no income at the time) so I stepped up the 
search, and eventually I bought a 1973 Plymouth RoadRunner for $550. 
This car came with a rebuilt 340 V8 (my vote for best small-block V8 
made by an American car manufacturer) but the body, interior, brakes, 
and transmission all had problems of one sort or another. 

A few years passed, and I began to notice that it was getting hard to 
find old Mopars of any kind in the local papers, much less for $500. 
About a year ago I needed a daily driver and I hunted through the 
internet and local papers for over 6 weeks without finding a clean 
Mopar daily-driver for less than $3000 - much of what I saw was tired 
junk with one foot in the automotive graveyard already. I haven't seen 
a 1973 340 RoadRunner - or any other 340 Mopar - for less than about 
$5000 in quite a while. That's almost ten times what I paid for my 
RoadRunner back in 1992.  Finally I bought an Olds - my 72 Supreme - 
because I couldn't find the right Mopar, and the Olds was a good buy 
and I liked the styling. Since then I've come to love my Olds, too but 
that's another story.

The point is this :  The cars we love haven't been manufactured for 
twenty or more years. Every day a few more die of rust, old age, 
neglect, or at the jaws of the crusher, and there are no new ones to 
replace them. Old's sold a lot more cars than Chrysler did, so the 
results of the slow attrition are not as visible today with Olds as 
they are with Mopars, or, worse yet, AMC's. The prices may not go up a 
whole lot, because the demand for these old cars is dying away at the 
same time as the cars are dying away. But it is getting harder and 
harder to find these old cars, and I can see nothing that can reverse 
that.

So what's a person to do?  My suggestion is to buy something you enjoy 
driving for whatever you can afford to spend now, and not worry about 
having the "right" car, be it a W-31 or a 442 or a TriPower GTO or 
whatever. If it can accept a powerful V8, has rear-wheel drive, and 
can be upgraded to handle well, you're going to enjoy it from behind 
the steering wheel whatever it looks like from the outside!

Have fun with your car!

P.S. I got out of college and got a good job, but I also got to deal 
with the other realities of life, like mortgage payments; you may have 
less spending money when you get out of college than you think you 
will!

- -John Carri
'72 Supreme
'73 RoadRunner (boy, am I glad I bought it in 1992!)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:40:01 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: pulling a Churchill

In a message dated 99-04-22 10:57:53 EDT, you write:

<< How true.  I'm sure I'll get some heat when I get back from Carlisle but 
it 
 will be worth it.  
  >>
Aint that the truth!!!  Hot Rod Harry....(trying to get a longer leash) glad 
my wife doesnt read this.....

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:54:01 EDT
From: Oldsfire@aol.com
Subject: Re: A, B, G bodies???

OK, here is the best info I have on A, B, C, bodies.   In 1965 GM classified 
bodies according to size (I think).  Anyway  An "A" body is of the F-85, 
Cutlass, 442 variety.  The "B" body is of the Jetstar, Dynamic, Delta and 
Starfire 88 variety  The "C" body is of the 98 Coupe, Sedan, Conv. type.  
Same held tru for other GM makes!!!c   Oldsfire@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:03:01 -0500
From: "Roger Hitson" <hitson@i1.net>
Subject: Re: Exhausting...

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 4/22/99, at 12:05 PM, Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote: 

<jumbo snip>
>Failing all that, get a 455 and custom headers...
>
Argh, argh, argh 

>Joe  (musclecar) Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>69 442
>70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:07:19 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: pulling a Churchill

At 12:40 PM 4/22/99 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 99-04-22 10:57:53 EDT, you write:
>
><< How true.  I'm sure I'll get some heat when I get back from Carlisle but 
>it 
> will be worth it.  
>  >>
>Aint that the truth!!!  Hot Rod Harry....(trying to get a longer leash) glad 
>my wife doesnt read this.....
>



Ahhhhhh the joys of being single. No wife to nag. No kids (that I know of)
to get in the way. No morgage to pay. I can play with my toys all I want.
Life is great!

Omega Man

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:18:15 -0400
From: "Mitchel L. Young" <mitch@iitek.net>
Subject: re: Subject: how to? R12 to 134a (the basics)

I have a 1964 Starfire convertable that has been converted
to 134a, I also am an A.S.E. Master Mechanic with a shop in
Miami, FL so my experiense in conversions is extensive.
Besides the o/rings you must change any hoses that are not
the new type of barrier hoses (ie goodyear galaxy) or the
r134 will just seep right through.  Head pressure is higher
so you may need to add an auxillary fan or fan with more
blades.
I strongly recommend using Castrol's conversion oil because
if you dont thougholy flush out the old oil when the two
oils mix they tend to coagulate.  This conversion oil,
however, works with both systems.
It is only a myth that 12 is colder than R134, I get duct
temps around 40-41 degrees and I'm in a very hot climate.

Just my two cents

Mitch Young

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:16:21 -0400 (EDT)
From: dsenko@UU.NET (Drew Senko)
Subject: Re: Specialty Olds (was: My Olds)

> Anybody have a number or web site for Speciality Olds.  TIA
> 
> Lou Principe
> 69 442 W-30


FYI: All parts sources are listed under Parts on http://www.442.com
If you know of a source that isn't there, just contact Bryceman and
he'll add the info to the list.  From the list of Restoration Parts:

Specialty Olds
311 Commerce Court
Winter Haven, Florida 33880
(941) 293-7966
(941) 299-0505 FAX

Sorry, no e-mail or webpage is listed for them.
 --                    ______________                     _
Drew Senko            / Convertibles \                    |\
dsenko@uu.net         \_____Rule!____/     .__====-_._____|_\______
Vienna, VA, USA                     O      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
http://members.aol.com/drewinva       o o  =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
_______________________________________________\_/____________\_/_____

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:33:52 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: pulling a Churchill

In a message dated 04/22/1999 12:41:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Four42much@aol.com writes:

<< << How true.  I'm sure I'll get some heat when I get back from Carlisle 
but 
 it 
  will be worth it.  
   >>
 Aint that the truth!!!  Hot Rod Harry....(trying to get a longer leash)>>
Try PetSmart

<< glad 
 my wife doesnt read this.... >>

How do you know she doesn't.  lol

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:35:30 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: pulling a Churchill

In a message dated 04/22/1999 1:12:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:

<< Ahhhhhh the joys of being single. No wife to nag. No kids (that I know of)
 to get in the way. No morgage to pay. I can play with my toys all I want.
 Life is great!
 
 Omega Man >>

Stop bragging.  You never know your day may come. lol

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30  

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:42:53 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: pulling a Churchill

At 01:35 PM 4/22/99 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 04/22/1999 1:12:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:
>
><< Ahhhhhh the joys of being single. No wife to nag. No kids (that I know of)
> to get in the way. No morgage to pay. I can play with my toys all I want.
> Life is great!
> 
> Omega Man >>
>
>Stop bragging.  You never know your day may come. lol
>
>Lou Principe
>69 442 W-30  
>




It's inevitable, ain't it Lou?

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:50:01 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Convertible Top Adjustment

I was wondering on how to adjust the side rail on a 72 442 convertible. On
my passenger side the side rail comes down too much making the rear and
front window hard to close. WHen you push up on the side rail it then makes
the window able to close. Where can the tesnion be adjusted at for this?

Pettrix@prodigy.net

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:01:45 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: pulling a Churchill

In a message dated 04/22/1999 1:44:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:

<< << Ahhhhhh the joys of being single. No wife to nag. No kids (that I know 
of)
 > to get in the way. No morgage to pay. I can play with my toys all I want.
 > Life is great!
 > 
 > Omega Man >>
 >
 >Stop bragging.  You never know your day may come. lol
 >
 >Lou Principe
 >69 442 W-30  
 >
  
 It's inevitable, ain't it Lou?
 
 Omega Man
 '74 Omega S 455
  >>

Yeah, the majority of us take the plunge.  After nearly 20 years of marriage 
(next month ) I usually know what my wife is going to do or say before she 
even does it.  So I just put up with it.  Sometimes I think I should be a 
saint.  I bet my wife feels the same way about herself for putting up with 
me.   

But in the end it's still the best thing I ever did. But getting my 442 ranks 
as a close second.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:06:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top Adjustment

On my '64 Skylark there was an allen screw on either side near the hinge
point of the side rail that allowed some small adjustment of this. It was
hidden up inside the U-channel. If you needed more (I did) you had to get
into the rear hinge assembly, the part that bolts to the bulkheads on
either side behind the rear seat. I had no success with this even though I
did it according to the body manual, but I suppose it is possible if you
know what you're doing.... 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:19:11 -0500
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: pulling a Churchill

Just make sure you marry a woman that makes a lot of money and likes
cars and yard work!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	LOUS69W30@aol.com [SMTP:LOUS69W30@aol.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, April 22, 1999 12:36 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: pulling a Churchill
> 
> In a message dated 04/22/1999 1:12:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:
> 
> << Ahhhhhh the joys of being single. No wife to nag. No kids (that I
> know of)
>  to get in the way. No morgage to pay. I can play with my toys all I
> want.
>  Life is great!
>  
>  Omega Man >>
> 
> Stop bragging.  You never know your day may come. lol
> 
> Lou Principe
> 69 442 W-30  

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:03:29 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: pulling a Churchill

Omega Man, I got to help the women here... some day you may find an Omega 
loving girl you are going to be happy with.

My wife fully supports my hobby, not only financially (engine rebuilds in 
the living room, helping polishing and doing easy mechanical tasks on the 
project!) She never complained when I spend more on parts then she does 
on clothes... 

Well, after all it is like living with my best buddy! She likes classic 
and fast cars, fishing, beer and barbecue and going to the shooting range... 

Just my 0.02, sorry for the non-olds, George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 LOUS69W30@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 04/22/1999 1:44:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:
> 
> << << Ahhhhhh the joys of being single. No wife to nag. No kids (that I know 
> of)
>  > to get in the way. No morgage to pay. I can play with my toys all I want.
>  > Life is great!
>  > 
>  > Omega Man >>
>  >
>  >Stop bragging.  You never know your day may come. lol
>  >
>  >Lou Principe
>  >69 442 W-30  
>  >
>   
>  It's inevitable, ain't it Lou?
>  
>  Omega Man
>  '74 Omega S 455
>   >>
> 
> Yeah, the majority of us take the plunge.  After nearly 20 years of marriage 
> (next month ) I usually know what my wife is going to do or say before she 
> even does it.  So I just put up with it.  Sometimes I think I should be a 
> saint.  I bet my wife feels the same way about herself for putting up with 
> me.   
> 
> But in the end it's still the best thing I ever did. But getting my 442 
ranks 
> as a close second.
> 
> Lou Principe
> 69 442 W-30
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:18:59 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: pulling a Churchill

Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com wrote:
> 
> Just make sure you marry a woman that makes a lot of money and likes
> cars and yard work!!

and looks like Pamela Lee did before her latest surgery :')  I'd take two out
of the preceeding 3.
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:26:36 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: RE: pulling a Churchill

At 01:19 PM 4/22/99 -0500, Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com wrote:
>Just make sure you marry a woman that makes a lot of money and likes
>cars and yard work!!



A good cook and a desire to fetch beers is at the top of the priority list
too.

Omega Man






>> In a message dated 04/22/1999 1:12:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>> ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:
>> 
>> << Ahhhhhh the joys of being single. No wife to nag. No kids (that I
>> know of)
>>  to get in the way. No morgage to pay. I can play with my toys all I
>> want.
>>  Life is great!
>>  
>>  Omega Man >>
>> 
>> Stop bragging.  You never know your day may come. lol
>> 
>> Lou Principe
>> 69 442 W-30  
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:29:56 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: pulling a Churchill

George wrote:
> 
> Omega Man, I got to help the women here... some day you may find an Omega
> loving girl you are going to be happy with.
> 
> My wife fully supports my hobby, not only financially (engine rebuilds in
> the living room, helping polishing and doing easy mechanical tasks on the
> project!) She never complained when I spend more on parts then she does
> on clothes...
> 
> Well, after all it is like living with my best buddy! She likes classic
> and fast cars, fishing, beer and barbecue and going to the shooting range...

Uh , does she have a sister around 40-50 like her?  :) 
Maybe that can help do a little mechanical or body work?  My wife likes
to drive them, she doesn't want to work on them for anything.  Actually
getting her to do much of anything is a big deal.  But that is a
different story for a different day/list.  Or maybe just for the
pyscharist one of these days.  She does love the 69-72 Cutlass
convertibles though.  I do have to admit that she has put up with my
buying various "projects" over the years a lot better than most.  Maybe
I'm just getting crankier in my old age......

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:36:20 -0500
From: Brett Chaveriat <brett@mcs.com>
Subject: Re: Jefferson, WI - April 24 & 25

John, Todd, Paul, Keith, and the others on the list,

	I encourage any and all of you to attend.  It is a great show.
I will list a web site that describes it better below.  Car show is
only Sunday.

http://www.cars-on-line.com/Elkhorn.html

	I will also attend.  For those who are going to attend,
I suggest that you put your car in the show.  It is not judged,
and it gives you much better parking.  You can come and go as
you please also.  Here is a list of attendees so far with 
their cars.  If you folks do want to meet, I suggest we meet
in the car show area on Sunday.  I will offer my car as the 
rallying point.  Let's make it at 11:00 AM.  I have a Radiant 
Green Cutlass Supreme Convertible with the striped OAI hood.  
If it is pouring, I may not show up.  

	If anyone else plans to attend, please copy this list, and
add yourself to it and repost to the Olds list.  This thing includes
the show (Sunday only), a big swap meet, and a for-sale car corral.  


John     - 72 Hurst
Todd     - 69 rag top
Keith    - 70 442 - Light blue 
Brett    - 72 bright green Cutlass conv't with OAI hood
Paul     - ?


- -- 

Brett Chaveriat

mailto:brett@mcs.com

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:38:53 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: pulling a Churchill

Dang, some guys have it all. Now the jeolousy is setting in.

I'm sure someday soon I'll find my Omega Woman. ha ha. Nearly all the girls
I meet around here are only interested in the latest trends and style.
That's what happens when you take a country boy and stick him in the city.
Foreign cars and flashy clothes are the big things around here.

Olds content: Tomorrow I'll be scrounging through every box and bin and
eyeballing every part at Carlisle looking for my precious Omega pieces. :)

Omega Man



At 01:03 PM 4/22/99 -0500, you wrote:
>
>Omega Man, I got to help the women here... some day you may find an Omega 
>loving girl you are going to be happy with.
>
>My wife fully supports my hobby, not only financially (engine rebuilds in 
>the living room, helping polishing and doing easy mechanical tasks on the 
>project!) She never complained when I spend more on parts then she does 
>on clothes... 
>
>Well, after all it is like living with my best buddy! She likes classic 
>and fast cars, fishing, beer and barbecue and going to the shooting range... 
>
>Just my 0.02, sorry for the non-olds, George
>
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
>--------------------------------------------------------------
>
>On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 LOUS69W30@aol.com wrote:
>
>> In a message dated 04/22/1999 1:44:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>> ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:
>> 
>> << << Ahhhhhh the joys of being single. No wife to nag. No kids (that I
know 
>> of)
>>  > to get in the way. No morgage to pay. I can play with my toys all I
want.
>>  > Life is great!
>>  > 
>>  > Omega Man >>
>>  >
>>  >Stop bragging.  You never know your day may come. lol
>>  >
>>  >Lou Principe
>>  >69 442 W-30  
>>  >
>>   
>>  It's inevitable, ain't it Lou?
>>  
>>  Omega Man
>>  '74 Omega S 455
>>   >>
>> 
>> Yeah, the majority of us take the plunge.  After nearly 20 years of
marriage 
>> (next month ) I usually know what my wife is going to do or say before she 
>> even does it.  So I just put up with it.  Sometimes I think I should be a 
>> saint.  I bet my wife feels the same way about herself for putting up with 
>> me.   
>> 
>> But in the end it's still the best thing I ever did. But getting my 442
ranks 
>> as a close second.
>> 
>> Lou Principe
>> 69 442 W-30
>> 
>> 
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:49:35 -0500
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: pulling a Churchill

If she makes enough money you can order out and get your own beers!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Gene Gilpin [SMTP:ggilpin@wrallp.com]
> Sent:	Thursday, April 22, 1999 1:27 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	RE: pulling a Churchill
> 
> 
> At 01:19 PM 4/22/99 -0500, Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com wrote:
> >Just make sure you marry a woman that makes a lot of money and likes
> >cars and yard work!!
> 
> 
> 
> A good cook and a desire to fetch beers is at the top of the priority
> list
> too.
> 
> Omega Man
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >> In a message dated 04/22/1999 1:12:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> >> ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:
> >> 
> >> << Ahhhhhh the joys of being single. No wife to nag. No kids (that
> I
> >> know of)
> >>  to get in the way. No morgage to pay. I can play with my toys all
> I
> >> want.
> >>  Life is great!
> >>  
> >>  Omega Man >>
> >> 
> >> Stop bragging.  You never know your day may come. lol
> >> 
> >> Lou Principe
> >> 69 442 W-30  
> >

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:45:05 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: pulling a Churchill

Seeing how my name is *still* associated with this tangentially diverging
non-Olds thread, I figure I'm entitled to wade in with my 2 Pence:

> George wrote:

> > My wife fully supports my hobby, not only financially (engine rebuilds in
> > the living room, helping polishing and doing easy mechanical tasks on the
> > project!) She never complained when I spend more on parts then she does
> > on clothes...
> > 
> > Well, after all it is like living with my best buddy! She likes classic
> > and fast cars, fishing, beer and barbecue and going to the shooting 
range...

My wife, although not as participatory as George's, is supportive vis-a-vis
letting me indulge myself in what little free time I have to tinker w/Big Red.
And that's *very* little free time, what with 2 5 y.o.s and both of us working
at jobs with 25+ mile commutes each way :P ...but I wouldn't trade what I got
for anything!

Besides, getting back to the original thread (i.e. trip to FL) -- when
my grandfather called to ask if I could come down for an extended weekend
of Golf, she told me, "go ahead, you deserve it."

Natcherly, I rushed and got plane tickets before she came to her senses :)

Olds Content:  Saw a '65 Cutlass on the ride home yesterday in fairly nice
shape.  I'm sure the kid driving wasn't quite sure why the old man in the
Caddy was honking and waving! :)



Tim Churchill  tchurchill@draper.com  OCA #30327  Framingham, MA
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, new a.k.a 'Old Gold'
'98 VW Passat GLS Wagon, a.k.a. 'der Kinderwagen'

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:48:32 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Yard with a LOT of parts  81-88   Cutlass RWD

A friend of mine owns a local bone yard here in Nicholasville.  Been out
that way several times in the last 3-4 months as time allowed and have
seen several of the 81-88 body styles Cutlass rwd cars come in.  If you
are looking for some parts from these styles, you might give them a
call.  I don't know which specific years he has pulled in, but there
have been several of them.  His name is Jimmy Day and the yard's phone
number is 606 885-6081.  

Hope this helps someone.

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:05:09 EDT
From: Harrell17@aol.com
Subject: Re: 350/455 swap (was 350/455 motor mounts)

Joe, there are 8 holes on each side of the car drilled for the crossmember to 
bolt in.  with the crossmember bolted to the tranny the front holes in it fit 
in the third hole from the rear and the rear holes are past any holes. I'm 
about ready to break out the cutting torch. I've got a 72 Cutlass Conv.. 
Thanks, Jim

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:08:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Exhausting...

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
> Seriously, a couple of things come to mind.  First, next time you have the
> headers off, take a straight edge to the exhaust surface on the heads.  I 
hate
> to suggest this, but...

If they needed machining then I need a new car, I figure... the cost of
doing that is worth more than the whole vehicle is!! 

> I assume "planing" the exhman means you've had the mating surfaces machined
> flat.  What type of gasket are you using?

Fel-Pro steel. They blow out real good... :) But you misunderstood. I took
it yesterday to get it machined, but the shop found the leaky pipe and
decided to address that since it would solve about 75% of the problem for
about 30% of the cost (I had one done myself a few years ago, and just
the machining alone was $80). So the manifold still hasn't been machined.
That's another $200 job with removal & installation and machining.

> I'm trying to figure out how the new crossover pipe could have "cracked 
welds".
> I assume this is the one-piece under-the-oil-pan pipe used on all small 
blocks
> with single exhaust.  Every one I've seen is made from a single piece of pipe
> with flared ends.  Is the welded seam of the pipe itself the weld that split?

I didn't see it since I was at work but that's what the mechanic told me
and I tend to believe him. Why there was welding I dunno unless the
previous shop welded on a flange or something. This would not surprise me.
It wasn't the seam of the pipe itself AFAIK. I don't necessarily
understand it, but it is quieter now so they did some good. 

> Remove manifolds.  Check for flatness and grind if necessary.  Have manifolds
> Magnufluxed or dye pen tested for cracks (you don't want to do this again).
> Check heads for flatness and hope that they are (I needn't tell you the 
problem
> if they're not...).  I don't know about your Delta, but every factory Olds 
I've
> ever seen (mainly A-bodies) didn't use any exhaust gaskets.  Consider this
> option, or if you want gaskets, go with the solid copper ones.  Check the 
fit of
> the crossover prior to installation and correct any misalignment by bending 
the
> tube.

I gotta tell you Joe, that's at least another $400 and this isn't a DIY
job for me. Not worth it to me on this car. I figure that after 20 years
there's bound to be some un-trueness in the surface of the heads and
manifolds, but thought the gaskets would help. After all this I am
somewhat skeptical of the design, or the quality of the mechanics I use
(or a bit of both).I guess I'll just play the radio a little louder and
continue to be annoyed every time I drive it. Or maybe I'll put some
furnace cement on the gap where the gasket blew out...  :) 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:14:32 EDT
From: Harrell17@aol.com
Subject: Re: 350/455 swap (was 350/455 motor mounts)

I know a guy that has a 442 with the 455/400. He measured from the flywheel 
to the center of the bolts that go the mount and they are the same. I know 
the tailshaft is allittle longer but those measurments are the same so they 
should work. Right? Jim

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