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oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, April 21 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1916



Re: 71 and 72 Hoods!
Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...
Re: 69 Cutlass worth?
Re: fuel lines
Re: 69 Cutlass worth?
vapour lock of the brain..
Hard Starting when Hot!
Re: fuel lines
Re: HEATER NOISE
Re: 69 Cutlass worth?
signing off for Carlisle, be back sunday
Re: Turkey tray difference/ was re: Where to get "turkey-tray" intake gasket
Re: Carlise on Friday
Re: Carlise on Friday
Kick Me If You See ME!!
Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...
how to? R12 to 134a (the basics)
Odd oil color!?
Re: Carlise on Friday
Olds sightings.
Re: Carlise on Friday
Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...
Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...
Re: rod-stroke ratio and cosine loss of horsepower
Re: Olds sightings.
Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...
OCA National Meet: Kick Him Then Look For ME!!
700r4 Question
Re: 700r4 Question
Re: 700r4 Question
Olds G-Body Mailing List "Major" Announcement. 
Re: how to? R12 to 134a (the basics)
FOR SALE: 8-track
Re: FOR SALE: 8-track
Re: FOR SALE: 8-track
Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...
A, B, G bodies???
Re: how to? R12 to 134a (the basics)
Re: 455 in a 87 442
Re: A, B, G bodies???
Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...
Re: A, B, G bodies???
Hurst Dual Gate Shifter.
Jefferson, WI - April 24 & 25
Re: Jefferson, WI - April 24 & 25
Re: Olds sightings.
Re: Olds sightings.
'69 Rear end?
Re: 350/455 swap (was 350/455 motor mounts)
Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...
Re: rubber fuel line a no no
Carb Linkage?

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:56:55 -0500
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: 71 and 72 Hoods!

talked to a buddy who worked on the assy line back then he says they used to
do a few things wrong on purpose on fridays just so down the road if they
saw one of those cars they could say" hey theres one of those cars we fudged
up on"
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 1999 8:59 PM
Subject: Re: 71 and 72 Hoods!


> Kurt Heinrich wrote:
>
> > > 3) Steel hood with stamped-in vents near the windshield. (Plain
Cutlass and
> > > Cutlass Supreme WITHOUT AC)
>
> > I don't know about this.  I had an untampered with '72 Supreme with AC
and it
> > had #3 above.
>
> If you worked on an assembly line and had 5 hoods to pick from, how many
> cars would you be able to build before you got the wrong hood on a car.
> I bet I wouldn't make it past a dozen. :)  Or, you've been goofing off,
> talking to your buddy across the aisle and all of a sudden, there's this
> car there that needs a hood!  Ohmygod!  So you grab the first one you
> see.  Bet there's tons out there with the wrong hoods.
>
> Paul
> (who is easily confused and likes to goof off)
> --
> Paul Hartlieb
> Myerstown, PA
> mailto:plh@nbn.net
>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 09:13:34 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <pbrill1@uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...

Greg Pruett wrote:
> 
> Brian Ammons wrote:
> >
> > MY QUESTION - Am I seriously missing out on my '69 442 convertible (in
> > particular) and '65-'72 A-bodies (in general) by not being in the game
> > right now?  Has anyone noticed that this is a "watershed moment" for this
> > era of Oldsmobile, perhaps similar to...let's say, '57 Chevy Bel-Airs in
> > the late '80s? (I vaguely recall reading that their value shot thru the
> > roof then, and and has not (and probably will not) come down again.)
> >
> > Does anyone see what I'm asking?  In 2001, a 1969 Oldsmobile will be 32
> > years old.  I am worried that by that time, all of them will be either (a)
> > in the hands of people who will never sell them, (b) already have had
> > frame-offs, and will be stratosphericly priced accordingly, or (c) smashed
> > into a 3x3 cube.  Am I right?
> >
> > Say no, say no, say no...


  If you were in the market for a '66 GTO, then that boat has come and
is leaving the dock.  You're not looking for an ultra car here.  It's
also not a '69 Mustang Mach 1 with a 428 either.  It does not have the
amount of collector interest.  Also, thankfully the mania of investing
in muscle cars of the late '80's is gone and people are driving 'em. 
Hell I love my '65 442 coupe, but I know it will never have the interest
of many other "mainstream" muscle cars.  Just save your pennies and
don't buy a basket case on impulse.  They also won't be smashed into
cubes.  There are many left, they are going, but at a slower rate than
others.
Now upgrading to a 425 or a 455 and putting that undersquare original
engine under a bench is a great idea(watching out for flying objects
here), but that's another topic entirely.


Paul Brillhart
'65 442 coupe

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:28:25 EDT
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass worth?

You should keep looking.
Peter

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 7:22 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: Re: fuel lines

>Go get the bendable aluminum tubing. It can be bent and re-bent by
>hand..just be careful. I was going to use steel, since I had heard 
>that aluminum would fatigue, then I thought about the AC lines..they 
>are all aluminum. They seem to hold up ok.  Dorian
>
>------------------------------

Shortly after we bought my wife's car (1994 Mercury Tracer) in 1998, 
the air-conditioning failed. Turned out that the aluminium 
condensor(?), the part that looks like a small radiator, had corroded 
enough to have developed a pinhole, which let all the refrigerant out. 
During removal one of the metal hose fittings coming out of the same 
condensor broke off - the aluminium had corroded around the weld and 
was weak enough for the part to just break off. All this on a 4-year 
old car that had lived only in Southern California.  I'm glad this car 
doesn't have aluminium fuel lines.

I've also owned aluminium cooking-pots (for camping) and they corrode 
and develop deep pits faster than you'd imagine.

I know that aluminium forms a transparent, hard oxide layer as soon as 
it is exposed to air, and I have never seen corrosion on a clean 
aluminium part exposed only to dry air, but obviously this is not the 
case once other chemicals enter the picture (ever seen aluminium trim 
on a car parked near the sea for a long time?). Maybe one of the 
chemical engineers on the list can explain it to us. 

One more thought, since the engine moves on its mounts and vibrates 
continually, metal fuel line from the firewall to the engine may not 
be a good idea, as it will likely fatigue and fail from the constant 
movement. All the car's I've worked on had rubber line here. All that 
I saw were also routed to minimise exposure to engine heat.

- -John Carri
'72 Supreme
'73 RoadRunner

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:46:11 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass worth?

Oh well hell, if the hubcaps are good, I'd say go for it. Can't beat a 4
door with nice hubcaps. Seriously now. Sounds like a winter beater or parts
car if there are enough good parts to rob of it. If the drive train is
sound I'd say maybe $300-$400 tops. I bought a 72 Chevelle 4dr hardtop in
similar condition for $350 a couple years ago and it ran excellent. Drove
it for a while and sold it for $450 to a college roommate.

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455
'74 Omega 2dr coupe (long term project)







At 09:18 AM 4/21/99 -0400, you wrote:
>I have seen a 69 Cutlass Supreme 4-door Holiday sedan
>for sale on my way to work.  I am trying to figure out what
>it's worth.  I assume it has a 350/350 engine/tranny combo.
>
>The exterior is ok, rust along the bottom of most panels...
>there is a patch that has been riveted in place on the front
>driver's quarter.  The rear bumber has several rust holes in
>it that go all the way through the bumper.  The frame is good.
>The seats are torn up and there is no radio.  The dash looks
>ok and it the hubcaps are good.
>
>This car will need a new front quarter, bumber and the seats will
>need to be covered again.  These are all expensive items.
>
>What should I offer the guy...I'm in Canada.
>
>Darren King
>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 7:54 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: vapour lock of the brain..

<snip>
>....Vapor lock of the brain perhaps?.....
>Greg Rollin
___________________________________________

Odd, that vapour lock of the brain thing seems to often happen to me 
as soon as I get to work, and lasts till I leave for home, except on 
days when I have to attend a meeting, then the vapour lock lasts for 
24 hours; another mystery to classify along with Karl's problem of 
having his alcohol getting diluted in the shower!

On a more serious note, I'm very glad when all the collective 
knowledge on this list helps us listees catch potentially serious 
mistakes before we make them. Much cheaper that way!

- -John Carri
'72 Supreme
'73 RoadRunner

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 07:59:00 -0700
From: BOYD DONALD R <drboyd@srpnet.com>
Subject: Hard Starting when Hot!

I've been super busy at work and just scanning the digests, so I missed all
the valuable tips about starting during the summer, from a fellow Arizonan,
no less.

Would someone repost them, or just email them to me privately?  Thanks!!!!!

Don
76 Cutlass - 455 - Hurst T-Tops

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:58:55 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: fuel lines

A few people have been comparing fuel lines for airplanes and autos, 
suggesting that if it can be used on a plane, it has to be good enough for a 
car. With all due respect to the aircraft mechanics, it seems to me that more 
than a few planes have gone down because of mechanical failure. Some, because 
of fuel leaks. With all the things in the world to worry about, fuel lines 
should not be one of them. Steel works.
Most mfgrs. use it as OEM, and the ones that don't, may have planned 
obsolesce on their minds. Just my thoughts on the matter.
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv (duals of course)

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:04:56 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: HEATER NOISE

> In the morning or cold days, my heater has a tendency to
> whistle off -n- on(more like a screaming banshee)that can
> be heard for a good 75 feet or so. Sounds like plastic
> rubbing plastic at very high RPM. Very annoying!!!
> Any suggestions, besides earplugs?

A new blower motor; it sounds like the bearings are shot on yours. 
They first start howling at low temperatures, and as they get worse, 
they'll howl at progressively warmer temps. (I assume the noise goes 
away after the car's warmed up?) If you're lucky, the noise might stop 
as summer approaches, and you won't have to deal with it until the 
fall.  :-)

IIRC, on your car it's a major pain to replace the blower: you have to 
partially unbolt the right front fender and prop it outwards for 
access (unless things didn't get that bad until the 1970-72 series). 
Anyway, unless it's a quick, easily-accessible replacement, I would 
put in a new one vs. a remanufactured one, so that you won't have to 
go through all this agony again in a couple of years.

- -- Andy

_______________________________________________________________
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:08:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass worth?

Darren, 

Do you like 4 doors? I think they are YUCK! But that is a question of 
taste. Problem is that most people will share my taste (currently). That 
may change (see Vistas and other Station Wagons...) I would not pay more 
then 800 Canadian but only if it runs. My 0.02, 

George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Darren King wrote:

> I have seen a 69 Cutlass Supreme 4-door Holiday sedan
> for sale on my way to work.  I am trying to figure out what
> it's worth.  I assume it has a 350/350 engine/tranny combo.
> 
> The exterior is ok, rust along the bottom of most panels...
> there is a patch that has been riveted in place on the front
> driver's quarter.  The rear bumber has several rust holes in
> it that go all the way through the bumper.  The frame is good.
> The seats are torn up and there is no radio.  The dash looks
> ok and it the hubcaps are good.
> 
> This car will need a new front quarter, bumber and the seats will
> need to be covered again.  These are all expensive items.
> 
> What should I offer the guy...I'm in Canada.
> 
> Darren King
> 

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 08:35:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: signing off for Carlisle, be back sunday

I'm signing off till Sunday.  Don't want any messages to start bouncing
while I'm at Carlisle :^).

Stefan
1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
70Cutlass@Beer.com 
_________________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:45:24 -0500
From: "Roger Hitson" <hitson@i1.net>
Subject: Re: Turkey tray difference/ was re: Where to get "turkey-tray" intake 
gasket

If you'll pay the price, you can get a bolt in turkey tray from Mondello. 
'Least you could last year. Don't think it's the same as original, but same 
principle.

roger

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 4/20/99, at 10:06 PM, George wrote: 

<snipped>
>> I kept the original tray and used composite gaskets on the heads as it
>> seemed to seal better with the Performer RPM intake I used.

>Aha, see, that is what I would like to do if that setup would still be 
>around. Get the original (small) bolt on piece that goes on top of the 
>engine and then put the composite gasket on... well, looks like we are 
>going to have turkey though... 
<snipped.>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:50:49 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Carlise on Friday

I'll be there. Got a question though. Where is the OCA tent gonna be set up
at say in relation to the grandstand? I'm an oldtimer to Carlisle, but you
know I've never actually looked down at the numbers on the spaces, so I
have no idea how it lays out in relation to the space numbers. Too busy
looking a all the tin, steel, aluminum, rubber, Budwiser girls and model
cars I guess.

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455
'74 Omega 2dr 





At 09:33 AM 4/21/99 EDT, you wrote:
>How many people are going to be @ Carslie on Friday.  I will be there,  just 
>wondering how many and maybe I will reconize some names when I go over to
the 
>OCA spaces @ noon.
>
>Steve Dietrich
>  S/E PA
>    71 442 W30 Conv.
>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:56:44 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Carlise on Friday

In a message dated 04/21/1999 9:34:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
SrDietW30@aol.com writes:

<< How many people are going to be @ Carslie on Friday.  I will be there,  
just 
 wondering how many and maybe I will reconize some names when I go over to 
the 
 OCA spaces @ noon. >>

I will be there on Friday - Rain or Shine.  See you at Noon.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:58:49 -0400
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Kick Me If You See ME!!

If you see a guy at Carlisle with this picture (click below) on his
t-shirt........kick him!

http://pages.prodigy.net/randygeisel/72Tshirt.jpg

It'll be me......see ya all there.

Randy

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 10:20:32 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...

Brian Ammons wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> Does anyone see what I'm asking?  In 2001, a 1969 Oldsmobile will be 32
> years old.  I am worried that by that time, all of them will be either (a)
> in the hands of people who will never sell them, (b) already have had
> frame-offs, and will be stratosphericly priced accordingly, or (c) smashed
> into a 3x3 cube.  Am I right?

I think the prices have been steady for a long time so I wouldn't panic.  I
could buy my car for about what I paid for it when I bought it.  You have the
ultimate advantage of not needing or wanting a car so you can keep looking a
possibly snag a great deal.

IMHO the number of people looking for these cars has decreased due to:
	1) the "cars as an investment" craze dying,
	2) the "all N.A. cars are crap" attitude many younger people have,
	c) the "I can finally afford the car I wanted in high school" group 
either has
one or has lost interest.

On the other hand then number of regular drivers that are in rough shape has
decreased so parts are getting scarce :(

Good luck finding your car,
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:25:36 -0500
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: how to? R12 to 134a (the basics)

I'm re-installing my A/C system into my '71 cutlass and I want to put in
134a instead of R12.  I know it won't be as cold, but I don't need to store
meat in my car.  What's the minimum things I need to make sure it works
correctly?  I know I need to use a different oil, I've also seen O-ring kits
at the autoparts store claiming they are needed for the conversion.

Can someone give me the rundown on what I need to do?

thanks,
greg

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Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 12:33:26 -0400
From: Andrew Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.muohio.edu>
Subject: Odd oil color!?

Hello everyone,
     I've been meaning to ask if anyone would know why my oil is red? It
isn't red on the dipstick nor when I drain it for an oil change. The only
place I find this oily red substance is in the air  cleaner. Looks like it
is coming through the breather hole out of the valve cover. It looks like I
have transmission fluid in the oil.
     Some people have told me that the only way this could be is if my
block was cracked and the transmission was leaking, which I don't think it
is.
     I would like to find out because I'm putting a 455 in it ('87 Olds
Cutlass) this summer and don't want to contaminate the new engine!

Thanks.

Andrew Geeting
geetinag@miavx1.muohio.edu

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:01:30 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Carlise on Friday

In a message dated 04/21/1999 11:52:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:

<< I'll be there. Got a question though. Where is the OCA tent gonna be set up
 at say in relation to the grandstand? I'm an oldtimer to Carlisle, but you
 know I've never actually looked down at the numbers on the spaces, so I
 have no idea how it lays out in relation to the space numbers. >>

The space numbers are IE 20-21.  I have an old program at home that I can 
check tonight.  If I find the space I will let everyone know where it is near.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 11:28:12 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Olds sightings.

Hi all,
	just spotted a 1967 Oldsmobile Cutlass for sale.  Current bid is $2.00 
but the
reserve is not yet met, Duh!

	Last night I was channel surfing and I saw the very tail end of a 
Canadian
Tire ad.  The guy just puts the chrome lid on the air cleaner and is wiping his
hands when he spots the nut.  He picks up the nut and tosses it at the cleaner,
hitting it dead on, and the nut threads itself on.  Kids in the background are
impressed.  Has anyone else seen this ad, I think the car is a '68 442 so it
would also be a W-30 if it has the chrome cover right?

	It looks like a cool ad and I bet the car belongs to an employee, they 
usually
use employee cars in their ads.  Almost makes me willing to start buying parts
at Crappy Tire :)
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:41:19 EDT
From: SrDietW30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Carlise on Friday

The OCA usually tags along on another members site.  Last year I saw them 
just west and in line with the main grandstand.  I usually get a program when 
I go in because it has a complete map with the site #''s.  OCA is at site 
IE20-21.  If it is the same place Fochi was last year it's just north of, and 
west of the grandstand.

S.R. Dietrich

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:25:10 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...

In a message dated 04/21/1999 2:58:42 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu writes:

<< MY QUESTION - Am I seriously missing out on my '69 442 convertible (in
 particular) and '65-'72 A-bodies (in general) by not being in the game
 right now?  Has anyone noticed that this is a "watershed moment" for this
 era of Oldsmobile, perhaps similar to...let's say, '57 Chevy Bel-Airs in
 the late '80s? (I vaguely recall reading that their value shot thru the
 roof then, and and has not (and probably will not) come down again.)
<<snip>>

I would not worry too much

In the late ?80s the value of all collector cars went thru the roof because 
instead of enthusiasts like ourselves, there were too many people in the 
market looking to make a quick buck. Then they found out they could not make 
enough money as they thought and they had to dump the cars and take a loss.

I don?t think the current prices for collector cars has changed that much in 
the last few years.  A couple of weeks ago I was looking at some 5 year old 
magazines and the prices were similar to what is being asked today.

As far as 57 Chevys go many people consider them to be the ultimate car of 
the 1950s and may overpay for them.  At the Atlantic City auction in February 
there were 2 57 Chevy  convertibles that were very nicely restored and they 
both sold in the $38,000 to $40,000 range.  I've seen others for much cheaper.

<<snip>> 
 Does anyone see what I'm asking?  In 2001, a 1969 Oldsmobile will be 32
 years old.  I am worried that by that time, all of them will be either (a)
 in the hands of people who will never sell them, (b) already have had
 frame-offs, and will be stratosphericly priced accordingly, or (c) smashed
 into a 3x3 cube.  Am I right?
 
 A) I think there will always be cars for sale.  People sell them for a 
variety of reasons. 

B) Again I would think there should be cars to restore.  There are always 
cars listed as older restorations.  So why not restore it again if it needs 
it.

C) God I hope not.

<<snip>>

Say no, say no, say no...
  >>

OK, NO, NO, NO don't worry.  I think the main thing we all have to worry 
about is the government trying to get old cars off the road, but that's 
another discussion.  

Good Luck!

Lou Principe
69 42 W-30

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:26:26 EDT
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...

Sadly, Karl believes that you are right.

No rebuke here to previous posts.

What Karl understands the Q to be is more with respect to the original owner 
of the desireable Oldsmobile for those of us who were ourselves born too late.
Thus buying from the original owners or form the progeny of same is becoming 
much harder to do!

Yes.
The Original owner of SOM has almost certainly passed.
Dave Brown knows of two 425s with forged cranks that were junked and then 
crushed.
And the Original owners of the 1968-1972 cars that those of you love so well 
are now a literally dying breed.
(meaning, of course, no offence to Peter, or any other Elders in present 
company!)
Those who originally cared well for your favorite model are on the verge of 
selling to support themselves in nursing homes or wherever. This is a good 
time to buy "grandma's" car for approximately book value ($1500 or so).

And yah.
As always, send flames to: KarlAune@aol.com

SOM

&KA


But please re-read:
<< I am in college, and I graduate in Spring 2000.  I do not currently have a
 garage (or even carport), and am not capable of Oldsmobiling to my heart's
 content at the present time.  I am anticipating having enough money (and
 let's face it - without cash you're walking) in TWO YEARS, MAYBE SLIGHTLY
 LESS to start doing the types of fun things.
 
 MY QUESTION - Am I seriously missing out on my '69 442 convertible (in
 particular) and '65-'72 A-bodies (in general) by not being in the game
 right now?  Has anyone noticed that this is a "watershed moment" for this
 era of Oldsmobile, perhaps similar to...let's say, '57 Chevy Bel-Airs in
 the late '80s? (I vaguely recall reading that their value shot thru the
 roof then, and and has not (and probably will not) come down again.)
 
 Does anyone see what I'm asking?  In 2001, a 1969 Oldsmobile will be 32
 years old.  I am worried that by that time, all of them will be either (a)
 in the hands of people who will never sell them, (b) already have had
 frame-offs, and will be stratosphericly priced accordingly, or (c) smashed
 into a 3x3 cube.  Am I right? >>

Brian: make do with what you have.

Although it is VERY hard for Karl to justify it, he is making a substantial 
outlay to save a 1965 "98" model from being a parts car.

And Karl has neither carport nor garage.
Alas, (and a lad) it may be exposed to the elements for a while.....
(can anyone in the Chi-town area let a garage?
 Will build an Olds motor for food.)
But Karl will be preserving it and knows a non-crushing Yarde with nice Olds 
BBs.

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:41:38 EDT
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: rod-stroke ratio and cosine loss of horsepower

(And just as well, because the really cool tech threads usually die out with 
a post from Karl....)
<sigh>

But before the embers die, consider this. The lastest edition on a site Karl 
promotes every 4 months or so to little avail;

http://www.performanceprofessor.com/april99/april99grad.html

Just an Epilogue.

SOM

&KA

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:48:53 -0500 (CDT)
From: blue442@webtv.net (Jeff Carter)
Subject: Re: Olds sightings.

If it's a 68 with stock hinges, the hood was prolly not open very far.
It's hard for my friends to remember that.  Pretty funny to honk while
they're leaning under the open hood.  Trust me, they deserve it. :-)

Can anyone tell me what hinges would bolt in to fix this, without
cutting or drilling the fenders?  Thanks.

Jeff Carter

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:00:46 -0500
From: "Roger Hitson" <hitson@i1.net>
Subject: Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...

No flames here.  It may be easy to buy good, old cars where many of you live, 
but in my (red) neck of the woods, they've mostly been hauled off to somewhere 
else or sent to the crusher.

roger

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********

On 4/21/99, at 2:26 PM, KarlAunan@aol.com wrote: 

>Sadly, Karl believes that you are right.
>
>No rebuke here to previous posts.
,snip>
>And yah.
>As always, send flames to: KarlAune@aol.com
>
>SOM
>
>&KA
>
>
<snip>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 15:04:20 EDT
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: OCA National Meet: Kick Him Then Look For ME!!

In a message dated 99-04-21 12:05:03 EDT, you write:

<< If you see a guy at Carlisle with this picture (click below) on his
 t-shirt........kick him!
 
 http://pages.prodigy.net/randygeisel/72Tshirt.jpg
 
>>

It'll won't be Karl, so y'all there.
SOM will be parked in a Suites Hotel adjacent to golf course 5 mi from the 
Nats Hotel & Show Grounds.

K

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 14:17:32 -0700
From: Andy Lawrence <lawrencj@coral.indstate.edu>
Subject: 700r4 Question

I know that this isn't an Olds question but I have a heavly modified 90
Fullsize Ch*vy truck and want to change the shift RPM of the 700R4 tranny.
Bleave it or not, i want to lower the shift RPM by about 500 RPM! How do I do
this?  I don't have a Tach but the engine really does seem to run out of steam
before it shifts......

thanks

Andy

79' Supreme(410ci)
23 T-Bucket
90 Ch*vy

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:45:11 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: 700r4 Question

Hi Andy,
	these are real dumb questions but here goes, do you know if the 700R4 
come in
all full-size Chevys or only the ones with 454's?  How do you know if you have
a 700R4?

	I have a 91 Z71 extended cab/shortbox with a wheezy 350 in it.  I am 
planning
on towing a trailer or 5th wheel (haven't decided which to buy yet) this summer
and I expect to need a new engine by next year.  It only has 140K on the truck
but it has been used for a lot of towing and is exhibiting classic signs of
lost compression (poor starting despite rapid cranking by the starter, poor
acceleration).  I would like to drop either a 454 or a 455 into this truck so
I'd have lots of power.  What I'm wondering is if my 4 speed tranny would take
the torque of a big block and if an Olds would bolt up.  Of course a 4x4 is a
lot more trouble if I have to change to a different transmission because or the
transfer case.

	I guess I'll also have to look at changing the TBI to either the big 
block
unit or a carburetor.

	I might be able to afford the engine if I don't need to replace the 
tranny. 
I'm assuming that the 350 came with a wimpy little 200R4 or such and will not
handle a big block without being built up.

	As far as your question, I'm sorry, I don't know anything about these 
new
rigs, and it shows.

TIA,
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 13:50:48 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: 700r4 Question

Sorry, should have been private.

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:12:06 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Olds G-Body Mailing List "Major" Announcement. 

Hi everyone,

As many of you know, last October we started the Oldsmobile G-body Mailing
List because Greg kicked us out of here. (Just kidding!!!)

We've been using the Listbot Mailing List service, which lately has been
having some problems. With 240+ members, relying on the list for
information, this was no longer acceptable.

So...we did a little homework, and found a company in California (Esosoft)
that hosts Majordomo lists as part of their service. Today is the first day
of operation of the "New & Improved" Oldsmobile G-body Mailing List.
(Woo-hoo!)

If you are at all interested, signup information is available at:

http://cyberglyphs.com/gbody/announcement.htm
or
http://www.cc-iroc-ss.com/g-body.htm

Of course a digest version is now available for those of you who need/desire
that option.

It's a big day for us...we hope that some of you will check us out. And Greg
can finally be proud of his latest "offspring". ;-)


Thanks everybody!

- -Mark Tupper     1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net     http://cyberglyphs.com/442/

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 16:18:31 -0500
From: Matthew Bremmer <bremmer@sgi.com>
Subject: Re: how to? R12 to 134a (the basics)

Use R-22(refrigerator coolant) instead.  A good mechanic friend of mine has
used this in multiple cars and has seen no problems or quams.  Since R-22 is
also only 6-15 bucks a pound compared to 200+ bucks per pound for R-12.  If you
use R134 I think you still have to have R12 in your system so basically it will
still cost 500 - 1000 dollars to recharge your cooling system.  With a billion
refrigerators out there I don't think R-22 is going to go away either..  Just
my .02.  Take it for what it is worth....

Matt

Greg wrote:

> I'm re-installing my A/C system into my '71 cutlass and I want to put in
> 134a instead of R12.  I know it won't be as cold, but I don't need to store
> meat in my car.  What's the minimum things I need to make sure it works
> correctly?  I know I need to use a different oil, I've also seen O-ring kits
> at the autoparts store claiming they are needed for the conversion.
>
> Can someone give me the rundown on what I need to do?
>
> thanks,
> greg

- --
"The truth is out there; Trust NO ONE!!!!!!!"

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:23:08 -0400
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: FOR SALE: 8-track

Pictures can be seen @:

http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/8BACK.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/8FRONT.JPG
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/8WIRES.JPG

It is from my 75 Cutlass 'S'. I tested it, it works, though I don't know
about the 8-track player because I didn't happen to have an 8-track
handy for some reason... :-). Anyway, going price is $40. If interested,
please e-mail me privately. Thanks Oldsheads!!!!

- -- 
***********
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
***********************
'70 Olds Cutlass 'S'
'73 Olds Cutlass Supreme
'75 Olds Cutlass 'S'
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/
*******************************************

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:26:30 EDT
From: DrkSole96@aol.com
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: 8-track

In a message dated 4/21/99 5:23:13 PM Central Daylight Time, 
creme1ma@cmich.edu writes:

<< creme1ma@cmich.edu >>
I've been looking for an 8-track for my Cutlass..  How would you like to 
handle the shipping and payment arrangements?

Donovan Moser
73 Cutlass Supreme
drksole96@aol.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:27:17 EDT
From: DrkSole96@aol.com
Subject: Re: FOR SALE: 8-track

sorry, meant that to go private.

Donovan 
73 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:38:45 -0400
From: "Raymond Dowty" <rdowty@CLEMSON.EDU>
Subject: Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...

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I, too, am a college student, and here is my view.
1.  Oldsmobiles are affordable compared to any other old car.  I am on =
my second one (I had to sell my 72 442 cause I didn't trust it for the =
4hr drive from home to school.)

2.  If you are like me and can't wait, buy something dependable and =
cheap.  This can be done by becoming friends with lots of old people!!  =
I recently bought a 1970 Olds 98 for only $2000.  It only has 33k miles =
on it and I am the second owner.  It may not be a "muscle car" persay, =
but it has lots of trunk space for those rides to and from school =
between semesters and there isn't a thing wrong with it.  And it has =
temporarily calmed my car fever.  Plus the couple I bought it from has =
put me in touch with other old people selling cars, including some =
muscle cars believe it or not.  One couple was selling a 63 ch*vy 2dr =
impala that only had 15K miles on it.  Think of it as networking with =
old people for a good cause. =20

3.  Keep looking.  I have found that there are plenty of Olds out there =
(88,98, cutlasses, and 442's alike).  It just takes a little effort =
looking.  I read classifieds from many different newspapers from cities =
near my school and home (that is how I found the 98, in a small town =
newspaper.  I had to drive for 1 1/2 hours in the middle of nowhere but =
it was worth it).  Your school's library should have lots of papers for =
you.  You'd be surprised what you find, especially in those small =
newspapers that no one has ever heard of.

4.  Luck always helps.  And good haggling skills.

I won't graduate for at least 2 yrs. Not too worried about finding my =
dream car.  And waiting makes it that much more worth it, doesn't it?  =
(Not that I wouldn't mind having it now!)

later,
ray

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:41:58 -0400
From: "Raymond Dowty" <rdowty@CLEMSON.EDU>
Subject: A, B, G bodies???

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Excuse my ignorance but could someone explain the different body styles =
to me or direct me to a web page that does.  What does a 70 Olds 98 =
classify as?
Thanks in advance,
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:46:44 -0400
From: "gjcouse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: how to? R12 to 134a (the basics)

The use of R-22 has been touched upon a few times. Including that it can't
be used in auto systems. I don't recall anyone actually confirming or
denying its use in auto based systems. Does anyone have official info on
R-22's use.

Can it just be used by mixing it with an R-12 system or must a system be
converted in some way?

Does R-12 really cost near $200 a lb.?
My current system of R-12 still functions but I bet it could use a top off.
It is cold and I would rather keep it R-12 based.

Auto A/C shops want close to $300 to convert a system to R-134a if it
doesn't require any repairs which of course cost more.

I asked one auto A/C shop about the use of R-22 and basically got a Dohhh.
So who would you go to get an auto system filled with it. I doubt a home
appliance repair person would be able to deal with auto fittings. This
assumes that auto based A/C is setup differently than other systems which is
more that likely the case.

Is there anyone on the list that can put the issue of using R-22 in cars to
rest with facts one way or the other?     Gary....

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

G.J.C - Hanger95 Technical Support Engineer.
For free Win95-98 Support, come visit <GJC> at:
http://www.salemcounty.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Bremmer <bremmer@sgi.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: how to? R12 to 134a (the basics)


> Use R-22(refrigerator coolant) instead.  A good mechanic friend of mine
has
> used this in multiple cars and has seen no problems or quams.  Since R-22
is
> also only 6-15 bucks a pound compared to 200+ bucks per pound for R-12.
If you
> use R134 I think you still have to have R12 in your system so basically it
will
> still cost 500 - 1000 dollars to recharge your cooling system.  With a
billion
> refrigerators out there I don't think R-22 is going to go away either..
Just
> my .02.  Take it for what it is worth....
>
> Matt
>
> Greg wrote:
>
> > I'm re-installing my A/C system into my '71 cutlass and I want to put in
> > 134a instead of R12.  I know it won't be as cold, but I don't need to
store
> > meat in my car.  What's the minimum things I need to make sure it works
> > correctly?  I know I need to use a different oil, I've also seen O-ring
kits
> > at the autoparts store claiming they are needed for the conversion.
> >
> > Can someone give me the rundown on what I need to do?
> >
> > thanks,
> > greg
>
> --
> "The truth is out there; Trust NO ONE!!!!!!!"
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:43:18 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 455 in a 87 442

>I just found a couple of 403 engines and planning on putting one in my 87
>442. I'm trying to decide whether to use the 403 heads and intake with low
>compression or use the 307 heads and intake for higher compression but they
>will have a restricted air flow.

Quote from the Olds FAQ: "It has also been said that all Olds BB or SB heads
as a group will flow within 5% of each other. Unless you are turning over
6500 rpm, your heads probably won't be the limiting factor."

5A heads from an early 307 would give you about 9.3 C.R. as well as the AIR
tube holes (if you wanna look really stock). A matching intake from one of
those would make transplanting your ECM sensors simple too.

Don't want the 7A's from your 87 tho.

drc

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:56:06 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: A, B, G bodies???

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The "classic" Cutlass & 442 models (196~ - 1972) were A-bodies; I'm almost
positive that Cutlii and their ilk thru the early 80s were A-bodies as well
(although there have been MANY conversations as to when a Cutlass stopped
being
an A-body, with some saying late 70s).  A 1985 Cutlass, however, is a G-body,
as are all Cutlii after they stopped being A-bodies (get it?).  

My '84 Delta is a B-body; an '84 98 is a C-body.

At 06:41 PM 4/21/99 -0400, you wrote: 
>
> Excuse my ignorance but could someone explain the different body styles
to me
> or direct me to a web page that does.  What does a 70 Olds 98 classify as?
> Thanks in advance,
> ray



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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:57:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...

I tend to agree with Karl A. on this one. I base that upon prices I've
seen lately for parts mostly, but also the cars too. Parts prices are
getting much more expensive for the '64-up A-bodies. Just check 442.com
classifieds. Or the dreaded ebay. How many of the things actually sell for
inflated prices I can't say, but asking prices sure seem to have shot up
lately. You can still find a bargain, but they seem to be getting more and
more rare. And I wasn't even going to mention the $18.50 8-track cart on
ebay... sheer insanity IMHO.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:04:02 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@UCALGARY.CA>
Subject: Re: A, B, G bodies???

> Raymond Dowty wrote:
> 
> Excuse my ignorance but could someone explain the different body styles to me
> or direct me to a web page that does.

I believe that the body style refers to the frame, suspension, steering,
braking, and other shared items.  So all A-Bodies could use the same components
although they may, of course, be different.

Chris wrote a while ago:

This is the best I could find on the 'net.  Maybe there is a better one
somewhere that I don't know about. This one only goes up to 1981, but
there is a link at the bottom of the page for some newer cars. 
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Downs/4814/gm/platform.htm
Here is the newer link:
http://www.access.digex.net/~miked/year-body.html

> What does a 70 Olds 98 classify as?

Apparently a C body.

Hope this helps,
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:09:19 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Dr. Olds - K. Wood)
Subject: Hurst Dual Gate Shifter.

I had posted to the list that I was not getting
enough cable travel with my Dual Gate to 
get Park and 1st Gear---  I appreciate you guys
letting me know about Hurst/Mr Gasket's rebuilding services.  I will
certainly try them
this fall when the car is put away.  Unfortunately
I can't wait 3-4 weeks at this time with no shifter
so...

I made up a temporary solution.  I modified the
bracket that the cable mount to on the transmission.  I removed the pin
the cable  connects to, and with the trans and the shifter
in Park, I used a paint marker to draw a line
where the cable loop meet the linkage.  Then I
removed the bracket and cut a 3/8" slot along
that line.  WIth the shape of the bracket, I was
only able to move the pin up about maybe 1/2"
or so, but that turned out to be just enough.
I now have just enough cable travel to get my
gears back.  Wasn't too sure it would work, but
the linkage moves freely- no hang-ups or
problems whatsoever.  

I wil probably still send the shifter in this fall.  Has anybody from
this list done that?  Just
curious how good of work they do.  

Thanks guys,
Happy Oldsmobiling.

Kevin Wood
Hartford, WI  53027
Dr-Olds@webtv.net
'72 Cutlass Supreme 455

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:11:44 -0500
From: "72Hurst" <72hurst@net-email.com>
Subject: Jefferson, WI - April 24 & 25

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(as long as the weather's not to lousy). Maybe we could meet somewhere.

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John  =20
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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:31:06 -0400
From: Rebel1 <rebel1@raex.com>
Subject: Re: Jefferson, WI - April 24 & 25

John,
    I'll be making the pilgrimage up from Ohio to make there this
weekend!  I'll be getting there Friday and staying through to Sunday
morning - the guys I'm going with actually got a site this year, but off
hand I don't know the space letter/number...
Todd Daenzer
'69 rag top - 310 hp tied to a Jetaway and highway gears :-(

72Hurst wrote:

>   Hi All,I've been seeing all kinds of messages about Carlisle show,
> but for those of us out here in the Great Midwest I was wondering if
> anyone from the list will be at the Jefferson Swapmeet.There has to be
> a few of us out here, maybe we could meet somewhere. I'll have my
> freshly redone 72 Hurst out for it's maiden show on Sunday (as long as
> the weather's not to lousy). Maybe we could meet somewhere. See Ya all
> later, John
> 72hurst@net-email.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:40:12 EDT
From: CUTLASS442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds sightings.

Does it have Red Plastic Inner fender panels?????


<< 
 	Last night I was channel surfing and I saw the very tail end of a 
Canadian
 Tire ad.  The guy just puts the chrome lid on the air cleaner and is wiping 
his
 hands when he spots the nut.  He picks up the nut and tosses it at the 
cleaner,
 hitting it dead on, and the nut threads itself on.  Kids in the background 
are
 impressed.  Has anyone else seen this ad, I think the car is a '68 442 so it
 would also be a W-30 if it has the chrome cover right? >>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:46:52 -0400
From: "gjcouse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: Olds sightings.

Speaking of Red Plastic Inner fender panels, I'm still looking for a set.
I'm sure it will prove impossible to find. Nonetheless I'm still in the
need. I certainly hope someone reproduces these items soon.  Gary....

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- ----- Original Message -----
From: <CUTLASS442@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 7:40 PM
Subject: Re: Olds sightings.


> Does it have Red Plastic Inner fender panels?????
>
>
> <<
>   Last night I was channel surfing and I saw the very tail end of a
> Canadian
>  Tire ad.  The guy just puts the chrome lid on the air cleaner and is
wiping
> his
>  hands when he spots the nut.  He picks up the nut and tosses it at the
> cleaner,
>  hitting it dead on, and the nut threads itself on.  Kids in the
background
> are
>  impressed.  Has anyone else seen this ad, I think the car is a '68 442 so
it
>  would also be a W-30 if it has the chrome cover right? >>
>

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:51:35 -0400
From: Rebel1 <rebel1@raex.com>
Subject: '69 Rear end?

Hi everybody,
    I'm reposting this question due to the fact that I only received two
responses to my question - which gave conflicting results (to the two
guys that responded - I really did appreciate it - but you can see my
delema...)  I have found a Limited Slip rear end out of a mid-70's
Cutlass for sale (3.42 geared) that I would like to install in my '69
rag top which currently has a non-original rear end in it with 2.73
gears.  My question is - will this rear end bolt in, or ?  Will I be
able to reuse my control arms, need the control arms from the donor car,
or? etc....
Please guys I need help - I'm going to look at this rear end tommorrow
and it's a 4 hour drive to get to it!  So if anybody know for sure -
PLEASE let me know!
Thanks in advance,
Todd Daenzer
'69 rag top - 310 hp tied to a Jetaway and 2.73's  :-(
(... but may soon be 3.42's!)

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 20:10:42 EDT
From: Harrell17@aol.com
Subject: Re: 350/455 swap (was 350/455 motor mounts)

The car is a 72 Cutlass conv. and the engine and tranny came out of a 72 
Ninety eight. There are only one pair of holes that the motor mounts can bolt 
to. Jim

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 17:25:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R.Strachan" <creature48212@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Please tell me that I will not be shut out...

Where are you from?

- --- Roger Hitson <hitson@i1.net> wrote:
> No flames here.  It may be easy to buy good, old
> cars where many of you live, but in my (red) neck of
> the woods, they've mostly been hauled off to
> somewhere else or sent to the crusher.
> 
> roger
> 
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
> 
> On 4/21/99, at 2:26 PM, KarlAunan@aol.com wrote: 
> 
> >Sadly, Karl believes that you are right.
> >
> >No rebuke here to previous posts.
> ,snip>
> >And yah.
> >As always, send flames to: KarlAune@aol.com
> >
> >SOM
> >
> >&KA
> >
> >
> <snip>
> 

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 19:26:57 -0700
From: Kenneth L Kayser <kkayser@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: rubber fuel line a no no

Although steel is stronger than rubber, steel may break if subjected to
vibration.  Rubber and plastic are much more tolerant of vibration. 
Perhaps the best is to replace rubber with rubber, aluminum with
aluminum, and steel with steel.  Unless the original equipment was known
to have problems.

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Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 18:07:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R.Strachan" <creature48212@yahoo.com>
Subject: Carb Linkage?

I was wonderingif you can switch linkage from a 77  
Q-jet to a 74 Q-jet? I'm asking this because the
throtle and detent cable don't seem to hook up(at
least without changing something) If any body has any
better ideas i'm listening.
On the p/s pump bracket, the lower bolt hole needs a
spacer(s),does it need to be a certain length, because
it looks like i need to use two spacers (one is 3/8 in
the other 5/8 in. long roughly) for it to line up with
the other pulleys? 
 Does the P/S pump need another bracket that bolts to
the main bracket and to the intake or engine(by the
valve cover/exhaust manifold)?

          Thank You 
          Rick  Detroit MI.
          69 Cutlass 'S' 

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