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oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, April 27 1999       Volume 01 : Number 1928



Re: 3.42 aftermarket Ring and Pinion question
Re: that Windows-98 comment...
Re: car shows?
RE: Tail lamps out
Re: 442 Bumpers
Re: Only 1973 Toronado known to exist!
Re: Carlisle(where was everyone?)
part numbers  wasRe: 3.42 aftermarket Ring and Pinion question
Re: 1972 442 W 30 For Sale
Re: Speaking of Carlisle...
Re: 1970 W-31 Pace Car, whats it worth??
Re: 1970 W-31 Pace Car, whats it worth??
Re: Water? was: Rainy Day Doggie
balancer installation question
Re: balancer installation question
Re: 1972 442 W 30 For Sale
Re: balancer installation question
Custom Grills
Re: Interior Lights
Custom Grills
Buyers everywhere
RE: Tail lamps out
Published HP ratings in the late '70s
'72 disc brakes
Re: Buyers everywhere
Re: Water? was: Rainy Day Doggie
Re: Custom Grills
Re: Brake and tail lights out - '68 Cutlass (turn signals work)
Re: lost street battles (was: Olds vs Porsche 911)
Re: Me vrs. Speedshop
Re: Cam upgrade/ Was Re: 80' Supreme
Re:  Bad Vibrations, Cont'd- TH400? LONG, but urgent!
Re: Mallory Unilite Distributor
Re: Compression Ring
steel-shim vs composite head gaskets
Re: Custom Grills
Re: Buyers everywhere
Re: Custom Grills
63 cutlass chrome and clips
Re: Buyers everywhere
RE: Buyers everywhere
Re: Buyers everywhere
Clearing up a mistake
Re: 1970 W-31 Pace Car, whats it worth??
Hershey this weekend!
Price of Mustang
>Subject: rear end ratios
Re: Buyers everywhere
Re: Buyers everywhere
lose weight fast
Re: Hershey this weekend!
Re: Me vrs. Speedshop
Re: Brake and tail lights out - '68 Cutlass (turn signals work)
Re: '72 disc brakes
Re: 1972 442 W 30 For Sale

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 06:53:02 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: 3.42 aftermarket Ring and Pinion question

I have bought 3.43 to 411 gears from richmond for my o axle ,got them from
summit, tell the salesman 12 bolt cover 10 bolt ring gear ,. I was not smart
enough to save the part #s
  Butch

Zeilmanns@aol.com wrote:

> I have a question for anyone knowledgeable on aftermarket gears for
> Oldsmobiles:
> Does anyone know if Richmond's set of 3.42 gears will work with my Olds 12
> bolt "o" type rear with Olds series 4 posi?  I've been told by one guy at
> Richmond that their 3.42s will work in my 12 bolt with Olds series 4 posi,
> and another guy at Richmond said they won't.  So I am wondering if they will.
> I am still looking for either an original 3.42 ring and pinion, or an
> aftermarket that will work.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff Zeilmann
> '69 4-4-2
> '69 Cutlass Convertible
> zeilmanns@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:09:14 -0700
From: tnsbishop@fuse.net
Subject: Re: that Windows-98 comment...

lmfao....i needed that

John Carri wrote:
> 
> >"Windows-98 is a 32 bit extension and Graphical shell for a 16 bit
> >patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit
> >microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of
> >competition."
> __________________________________________
> 
> LOL that bit of email is the best thing that has happened to me all
> day!
> 
> Can't wait for the day when Linux starts to replace the incredibly
> lousy Window's operating systems. I heard that Linux was the
> fastest-growing operating system of 1998, hope it keeps growing!
> 
> Old's content, anyone run down to that junkyard and buy that '67
> Toronado I mentioned earlier today?
> 
> -John Carri  (frustrated Window's user and hater of same)
> '72 Supreme
> '73 RoadRunner

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:21:47 -0700
From: tnsbishop@fuse.net
Subject: Re: car shows?

i like to go to one in northern ky or the try state area my self . any
know of any ?

RICH6986@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Does any one know if there will be any Olds shows near atlanta the week of
> may 17 if have to go there for work for a week.  If anyone knows of any let
> me know
> 
> TIA
> 
>         Rich

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:27:30 -0400
From: "Mitchel L. Young" <mitch@iitek.net>
Subject: RE: Tail lamps out

  I have seen problems in the steering column lead to this.
The turn signal swith wiring and the hazard lamp wiring can
get pinched and shorted to ground.
>Worked fine yesterday, don't work today.

Assuming that _all_ taillights and brake lights are out, and
maybe the
side markers and license plate as well, I'd check the
harness that
runs the length of the car from the fusebox back to the left
rear
corner of the trunk. Other than the bulbs themselves, this
is about
the only place where taillamp and brake lamp circuits are
close
together, and if all four bulbs went out at once, I wouldn't
suspect a
bulb problem.

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:42:45 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 442 Bumpers

> Desert Dog Auto Parts,  found them on 442.com,  advertising bumpers that
are factory quality !  Anyone know what that means ?

I spoke to a local guy last week and he bought bumpers from Desert Dog for
his 70 Pace Car. Said he was real happy and would use them again. They
weren't show quality (a couple minor imperfections), but then again he
didn't pay $400 plus a bumper and he doesn't have a show car either. Sounded
like it'll be a #2 car when he's finished the resto.
___________

I had Desert Dog straighten and rechrome the bumpers from my 69 442, and
frankly, I wouldn't call them "factory quality".  The chrome work is well done,
but the straightening job is not as good as I expected.  One dent on the end of
the rear bumper was not completely removed, and there is a general waviness to
the bumper.  I wouldn't recommend them for a show-quality job.  On the other
hand, I _did_ spend only $225 each.  This car will be a driver, not a show car,
so...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:47:21 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Only 1973 Toronado known to exist!

I think the part they left out was that this was the "only 1973 Toronado known
BY THE SELLER to exist"   ;-)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:50:53 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Carlisle(where was everyone?)

Well let's see. On friday in all the rain I did manage to pick up an
umbrella, a parka, 5 '74 Omega dealer pamphlets ($1 ea), a few model cars,
chrome valve covers for the 455 and a couple Omega license plates.(Thanks
Joe, I did find 'em). I also made it to the booth at 12noon on the nose and
got to meet Joe Padavano, Lou Principe and another guy (sorry I can't
remember your name. Maybe, Chris ??, maybe??) I did't hang around very long
though. If the weather had been better I'd have been in more of a BS-ing
mood. Sorry I missed ya Hot Rod Harry. 
I came back for round 2 on Saturday. Got both rear quarters, door weather
strip and a shackle kit for the Omega. I was also on the stage from 12noon
till about 10 after. I had on a black Oldsmobile hat and shades, gray
hooded jacket and I have an offensive goatee. Nobody said anything to me. I
figured an Oldsmobile guy would say hi to a guy in an Oldsmobile hat but
nooooo. Perhaps I scared everyone. But anyhow if you saw this guy standing
around looking like he lost his puppy, then you walked right past the Omega
Man and didn't even know it. I was in a BS-ing mood too. The weather was
beautiful!
 
Omega Man
'74 Omega S hatchback 455
'74 Omega coupe (tore up)



At 11:41 PM 4/23/99 -0400, you wrote:
>That's what Stefan Gadecki and myself were wondering yesterday. High noon at
>the stage and only us two showed up!
>
>Randy
>
>
>> I was there and you were not....space IE-20...Ed Fochi's spaces ..at 12:15
>> and Ed said about 5 or 6 people were there at 12 and then split.....man ,
>I
>> thought at least 25 people would be there shooting the sh_t....talk to you
>> soon..
>> Yes my wife loves me!! ....she let me go...talk to you soon, Hot Rod Harry
>
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:50:18 -0500
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: part numbers  wasRe: 3.42 aftermarket Ring and Pinion question

from richmonds catalog   the numbers are as follows
3.42 49-0049-1
3.90 49-0050-1
4.10 69-0328-1

these are for type-O only
footnote says fits 3.23 or numerically higher carrier1.626"dia 27 spline
pinion stem


 I have bought 3.43 to 411 gears from richmond for my o axle ,got them from
 summit, tell the salesman 12 bolt cover 10 bolt ring gear ,. I was not
smart
 enough to save the part #s
  Butch

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:57:48 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 1972 442 W 30 For Sale

Thats right Lou, when you got the air car , you got a less radical cam....I
believe it was a 274 for the AC car and 328 for the non air car...
Hot Rod Harry
__________

That's right, but ever worse, the 328 deg cam fell victim to emissions after
1970.  The 71-72 W-30s had a less radical (294 deg?) cam.  Now, I've stayed out
of this because my memory is really bad, but did anyone else check out that 
1972
post W-30 at Carlisle?  I didn't spend too much time looking at it, but it was
definitely an "X" code VIN, and I seem to recall that the car had A/C and power
brakes as well.  Senility really sucks!  ;-)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:10:42 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Carlisle...

At 09:59 AM 4/26/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Got to meet a bunch of list members at the Olds booth, which was very
cool.  The
>rain was obviously a bummer, as many boths were closed or sale items were
>covered with tarps.  We didn't get to half of the stuff we normally do.
>
>Stuff I saw:
>
>68 Hurst/Olds, on the hill.  Totally trashed, usual rust, correct VIN, barely
>discernable silver/black paint over which someone had spilled metallic
blue (I
>didn't realize it was an H/O at first).  Car had A/C, tilt, power antenna,
and a
>SOLD sign.
>

I saw this too. How does one let such a rare and desireable car get into
such a condition. Makes ya wonder.




>69 "Hurst/Olds" convert.  This "replica" was so bad, it had the Cutlass S
>emblems.  Poor quality repro hood scoop, replacement rear quarters which
weren't
>even welded to the inner fenders, laughable alignment between doors and rear
>quarters.  Asking $5000.
>

Got a chuckle over this one too.




>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>

Omega Man

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:40:47 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 W-31 Pace Car, whats it worth??

Matching numbers W-31 400 cu in 2dr post pace car? ... Must be rare.
Especially with the Hertz shifter and Chevy rallyes. If only it didn't have
a vinyl top.

Omega Man
'74 Omega S W-31 Matching numbers w/Hertz shifter.





At 02:54 AM 4/23/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Need some info from the Cutlass Crowd. On eBay, no groans please, there is a
>listing for a '70 OLDS W-31  Pace Car, there are pictures posted on the
>auction page. My partner is really interested in this car but is not sure if
>the reserve price is a good price for this car. The owner states the reserve
>is just shy of $10,000. If any of you have the time can you give me your
>opinion of the car, it's URL is
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=93989298
>If you wish you may email me directly at beastmaster@earthlink.net.
>I also noticed a 1969 442 listed as well as a 1967.
>Thanks,
>Bruce
>70 Delta 88 Conv 355
>75 Delta 88 Royale Conv 455
>
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:42:45 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 W-31 Pace Car, whats it worth??

Hey Lou. I don't know if its balls or ignorance. Either way it all ads up
to stupidity.

Omega Man



At 11:06 PM 4/24/99 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 4/23/99 5:57:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>beastmaster@earthlink.net writes:
>
><< On eBay, no groans please, there is a
> listing for a '70 OLDS W-31  Pace Car,  >>
>
>This car is 1 of 1,  I believe it to be a total fraud.  As soon as I saw the 
>first picture of W-31 on the hood and then on the trunk.  Never happened, 
>W-31 was only on the front fenders.  Wrong engine, wrong wheels, some people 
>really have b*lls to pull something like this.
>
>Lou Principe
>69 442 W-30
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 07:46:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Water? was: Rainy Day Doggie

All of this rain/humidity talk is confusing me.  My car runs BETTER on
cool rainy days.  I'm serious, I get a definite increase in power.  On
cool dry days, this doesn't happen.  Is my car just really messed up or
something?

Stefan
1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
70Cutlass@Beer.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:53:20 -0500
From: "Darrin Johnson" <xdarrinj@ti.com>
Subject: balancer installation question

I have what should be a fairly simple question.  I am installing a new
harmonic balancer and need to know how far it is supposed to be pressed on.
Does it bottom out on something?  This is a 350.

Darrin Johnson
xdarrinj@ti.com
djohnsn@ibm.net

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:07:26 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: balancer installation question

I am installing a new
harmonic balancer and need to know how far it is supposed to be pressed on.
Does it bottom out on something?...
________


Yep.  Bottoms out on the crank snout.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:09:21 -0400
From: "gjcouse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: 1972 442 W 30 For Sale

Another question begging to be asked. Did the 294 deg. cam produce
sufficient vacuum to run power brakes? I'm looking for the most radical cam
that will allow me to retain my PB. But I would like a discernable lope to
the idle so there's no mistake of something worth while under the hood. And
in fact the most usable all around power. When it comes to cams, they've
always confused me. I've also heard on this list that Olds BB's like a split
duration. I assume that to mean a different length of time between the
amount of time the intake or exhaust are open. Now as to depth of valve
open, I would like to go the largest allowable and retain stock, (though new
and high-Pro where required, like springs) components under a "Notched" or
other wise short valve cover. Need to stay as low as possible stuffing that
BB in a "G" body. Maybe suggestions as to the best springs for this
application. Double, triple, brand name of suggested cam and springs?  I
haven't gotten the facts behind the actual cam within this BB I'm about to
P/U. When I talk to the builder again and get the specs on the cam, If it's
not of the values I would want I can order the cam. lifters and springs
immediately. I don't want to hold up the shoe horning of this BB in Quincy
ASAP upon arrival. Since the engine basically fresh, now's the time to swap
cams. Do believe the engine was broken in on the engine run rack prior to
sealing. Gary....

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
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for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally
coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit
company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition."
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Padavano.Joe@orbital.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: 1972 442 W 30 For Sale


> Thats right Lou, when you got the air car , you got a less radical
cam....I
> believe it was a 274 for the AC car and 328 for the non air car...
> Hot Rod Harry
> __________
>
> That's right, but ever worse, the 328 deg cam fell victim to emissions
after
> 1970.  The 71-72 W-30s had a less radical (294 deg?) cam.  Now, I've
stayed out
> of this because my memory is really bad, but did anyone else check out
that 1972
> post W-30 at Carlisle?  I didn't spend too much time looking at it, but it
was
> definitely an "X" code VIN, and I seem to recall that the car had A/C and
power
> brakes as well.  Senility really sucks!  ;-)
>
> Joe Padavano
> padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
> 66 442
> 68 W-30
> 69 H/O
> 69 442
> 70 W-30
>
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:59:17 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: balancer installation question

> I have what should be a fairly simple question.  I am installing a new
> harmonic balancer and need to know how far it is supposed to be pressed on.
> Does it bottom out on something?  This is a 350.

I recall that I carfully pressed it on there until the big bolt got 
enough grip to bolt it down to the spec. I don't remember the fp but I 
can look it up for you if you like. I did not press it on any deeper then 
the bolt takes it. Don't use a hammer to put it on! (This is self 
understood but I have seen this more then once: people banging on their 
crankshaft or on their cam to get the gears and the balancer on.) You 
will have to hold the engine back from turning when you fasten the bolt, 
you choice how you do that. I had my wife blocking the flywheel with a 
piece of wood.

I am not 100% sure that this is the way to do it but that is how I did  
it anyway.

Regards, George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
- --------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:27:43 PDT
From: "Rpn ..." <rpn55@hotmail.com>
Subject: Custom Grills

To whoever it may concern,
   I am searching for a custom grill for my 1970 Cutlass 2drhdtp.  I 
haven't had any luck. I've spent countless hours looking for one.  Im 
looking for a chrome or billet grill.
thank you 
Randy Nienas

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:35:59 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Interior Lights

> The rear interior lights on either side of the rear
> seat won't turn off when the doors are closed.

The interior lights are a switched-ground circuit, not a switched hot 
one, therefore the ground wires from those lights are not supposed to 
go directly to ground. They're supposed to go to a switch somewhere 
instead: the pin switches in the door pillars, and the headlight knob 
(twist counterclockwise to ground them and turn them on). Power is fed 
to the bulbs at all times, but the ground is cut off to keep the bulbs 
out. When the pinswitch closes as you open a door, it completes the 
ground path and the light goes on.

Basically, I'd say the ground path from those lights is shorting to 
the body somewhere. Maybe the wire fell off a pinswitch and is 
touching inside the pillar, or the ground wire from the rear lights 
was inadvertently bundled up with some regular ground wires and 
screwed to the body somewhere. I'd start by making sure the lights 
themselves are not shorting to the inner fenders, then follow their 
ground wires and see where they go.

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:39:34 PDT
From: "Rpn ..." <rpn55@hotmail.com>
Subject: Custom Grills

To whoever it may concern,
    I am searching for a custom grill for my 1970 oldsmobile cutlass 2 
dr hdtp.  So far I haven't been able to find any companies offering 
such. Are there any out there???
Thank YOu 
Randy Nienas

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 10:49:51 -0500
From: Wyatt <Wyatt@jobax.net>
Subject: Buyers everywhere

I was just curious if the rest of you are being besieged by people
wanting to purchase your Oldsmobiles.  So far this spring I have had
five e-mails from people wanting to buy my car after seeing it in the
car show section of 442.com.  I keep relying with a polite thanks, but
no thanks, it's not for sale.
I also remind them that it is not in the cars for sale area.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

P.S.
I have dropped the insurance to storage status and as soon as I am
walking in a few weeks the restoration will commence.  As I told Chris
Smetana, if I don't start, I will never finish.  Wish me luck!

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 08:55:03 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Tail lamps out

> I have seen problems in the steering column lead to this.
> The turn signal swith wiring and the hazard lamp wiring can
> get pinched and shorted to ground.

True, but in this case the taillamps are out as well, not just the 
brake/turn lamps, and those don't run through the steering column at 
all. That's why I think it's more likely something to do with the main 
harness which runs front-to-back to feed the electrical components at 
the back.

Not sure what the '68 version was made of, but on later cars it's a 
solid-core (aluminum?) ribbon of at least five wires bonded together 
(Right Stop/Turn (green or yellow); Left Stop/Turn (yellow or green); 
Taillamp (brown); Backup (I forget); Fuel (tan)), which connects at 
the left rear corner to regular stranded wiring via a large Pack-Con 
connector. Up front I think it plugs into the side of the fusebox or 
someplace close by. I've seen various attempts to cut into the thing 
or splice it (e.g. to install a high-mount brake light in the rear 
window), and invariably the connections fail later because the 
solid-core wires in that thing don't like people messing with them.

- -- Andy


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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:58:57 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Published HP ratings in the late '70s

The factory did publish HP and torque ratings for all engines available in
Oldsmobiles in the late '70s.  This information, along with available axle
ratios, etc. was contained in the "Engine Supplement Sheet"  furnished to
dealers along with sales literature and ordering information.  I have copies
of the sheets for '78 (printed in late '77).

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 11:09:00 -0500
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: '72 disc brakes

I'm getting ready to put a '72 disc brake set-up on my '68 Cutlass.

Does anyone out there know if the '72 chassis manual has good
pictures/details about the front brake set-up?


Mickey
'68 Cutlass "S" Conv

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:04:22 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Buyers everywhere

Not my Cutlass, but an unbelieveable number of emails about the Skylark
that Bryce was kind enough to insert a link to there a few years ago.
Unfortunately the car is now sold... never fails. :)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:08:27 EDT
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Water? was: Rainy Day Doggie

In a message dated 99-04-27 10:51:30 EDT, you write:

<< All of this rain/humidity talk is confusing me.  My car runs BETTER on
 cool rainy days.  I'm serious, I get a definite increase in power.  On
 cool dry days, this doesn't happen.  Is my car just really messed up or
 something?
 
 Stefan
 1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe >>

Kinda odd.
Could it be possible that you normally run slightly lean?
Such that additional maoisture content would bring you back to an effective 
a/f ratio of 14.7:1?

Or mebbe its the Taoists, not the Maoists.

Karl forgets.

SOM

&KA

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:09:29 -0400
From: "gjcouse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: Custom Grills

Usually the owner fabricates his/her own grille style. That's what makes
them Custom. I don't know of any companies producing custom grilles
specifically for you car. You might try going to a local speed shop that
might have those tube grilles for trucks etc on display. and see if you can
get a manufacture, name than contacting them. Gary....

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

"Windows-98 is a 32 bit extension and Graphical shell
for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally
coded for a 4 bit microprocessor, written by a 2 bit
company, that can't stand 1 bit of competition."

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Rpn ... <rpn55@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 11:39 AM
Subject: Custom Grills


> To whoever it may concern,
>     I am searching for a custom grill for my 1970 oldsmobile cutlass 2
> dr hdtp.  So far I haven't been able to find any companies offering
> such. Are there any out there???
> Thank YOu
> Randy Nienas

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:10:09 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brake and tail lights out - '68 Cutlass (turn signals work)

> Yep, turn signals work o.k., although the right side seems to be
> a little sluggish. 

Uh-huh. Try the four-way flashers, to flash all bulbs at once. See if 
the back ones work properly (and are not using the dimmer taillamp 
filaments instead, indicating a bad ground). The behavior should not 
change if your parking/taillamps are on at the same time; if it does 
(such as a taillamp that goes _out_ when it's supposed to get brighter 
instead), you almost certainly have ground problems.

> As I was checking it out tonight, the brake lights began to work
> again, for a while. Now nothing. Tail lights don't work at all.

Okay, I'd check the wiring in the left rear corner of the trunk, where 
everything comes together. I think you've got an intermittent 
connection there somewhere. I think I'd check the grounds first, for 
each of the sockets and wherever the ground wires are tied together 
and attached to the body.

Next, see if the brown wire coming out of the harness and going into 
the rear connector has taillight power in it. See if the power makes 
it through the big connector and into the stranded wires leading to 
the sockets. See if it emerges into one of the two contacts in the 
base of each taillight socket.

The brake/turn power comes from two other feeds out of the harness: 
one side is green, the other is yellow. Both go hot when you step on 
the brake; otherwise the turn signal blinks just one side or the 
other, of course. Do the same tracing on these. Have fun.  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:14:07 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: lost street battles (was: Olds vs Porsche 911)

This reminds me of the encounter I had with an exotic about 4 yrs ago. I
was traveling southbound on I-83 between Harrisburg and York PA when I
pulled up beside a Lamborghini Countach doing about 50mph. I cruised beside
it for a minute checking it out. I thought it was funny that the top of the
roof of that car was about the same level as the bottom of my door windows.
I noticed the guy was checking out my '74 Nova SS too. Anyhow after a breif
look I sped back up to about 55 and got about 3 car lengths ahead. Just as
the road straightend and you could tell it was clear of traffic and law
enforcement I see the guy hammer it and come racing up on me. Figuring I
did't have a chance in you know where but I quickly decided to play along
and dropped 3rd gear and nailed it just as he got up beside me. The Lambo
pulled half a fender on me and I was able to hold that.  I even gained
about a foot or two after hitting 4th. Then my 4.10s peaked out about
105-110 mph and the Lambo just kept on excelerating. He pulled a good
quarter mile on me before he backed down. I felt a little better about the
ol' SS from then on. I knew it was quicker than a buddies '65 Nova
Pro-streeter and could hang right in with another friends '69 396 Nova but
to hang beside a Countach at full throttle felt pretty good.
Olds content: All of the drive train except for the engine from my '74 Nova
SS will be going in the Omega. The engine is slated for the '70 Camaro I
drive everyday. Kinda wish I still had that Nova though. It's got my Omega
interior in it. Dang.........

Omega Man

2-'74 Omegas





At 09:46 AM 4/26/99, you wrote:
>Greg Zimmerman wrote:
><snipped>
>...I tried to race a red (of course) porsche 911 turbo from 45mph and 
>up.  I hit the gas and pulled in front of him.  Little did I know, but 
>he slowed a little bit just to get into a lower gear.  Then a 
>horrendously loud whoosing sound and a red blur shot past me.  He was 
>out of sight after several seconds...  Oh well, if I had spent 
>$100,000, I'd expect to go that fast too.
>_______________________________________
>
>The newer turbo 911's are FAST - try 0-60 in under 4 seconds! Amazing 
>combination of horspower, light weight, and traction. Hard to beat a 
>rear-engine layout for launch traction. About the only thing that can 
>beat them in a straight line is one of those 1000-cc Japanese 
>superbikes. Those Porsche's are in a very different category from 
>those overpriced 300ZX's :)
>
>Had a similar experience with my '72 Supreme and an early 90's 
>Corvette. Getting on the fwy, one of those metered on-ramps with a 
>traffic light at the top of it, two lanes merging into one within 
>about 100 yards of the light. I know my car is no competition for a 
>'vette in a fair fight, I was hoping to take him by surprise,get the 
>jump on him, and beat him to the merge point, after which he would be 
>stuck behind me no matter how fast his car was. Unfortunately I hit 
>the gas too hard, went up in smoke, and he had time to hear my tires 
>squeal, hit the gas pedal, and just SCREAM past me as though I was 
>standing still. It was Roger (my Supreme) and I who had to 
>shamefacedly pull in behind him and chug along in his wake...
>
>Roger doesn't like to talk about this one, so don't tell him I told 
>you.
>
>-John Carri
>'72 Supreme  ("Roger")
>'73 RoadRunner ("Rex")
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:16:18 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Me vrs. Speedshop

Just a thought on this. Are you sure the shop degreed in the Comp cam
correctly? Did they have the timing and carb adjusted correctly when it was
dynoed? Maybe it's crappy tuning.

Omega Man






At 08:40 PM 4/22/99 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 4/22/99 9:45:01 AM Central Daylight Time, 
>hurst455@webtv.net writes:
>
><< I`m tired
> of paying for things or services that fall well short of advertised.
> What can I do? >>
>Well,(opinion) you will have to pay  for the new cam; however, you should 
>sternly remind the shop that you did not want the cam they insisted on 
>installing. These guys should give you an "at cost" installation. Don't lay 
>down, get the best deal you can! GET WHAT YOU ORDERED!
>You might get nothing, just remember, it is their problem also, it is 
>unethical to promise one thing and deliver another. Don't feel guilty or 
>uncomfortable confronting these guys.
>Chris
>70 455 Cutlass S
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:17:09 EDT
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Cam upgrade/ Was Re: 80' Supreme

In a message dated 99-04-26 23:23:14 EDT, you write:

<< Let's go guys, we need a little educatin' here. I see it has the same 
stroke
 as a 350. What makes it a 260, the smaller bore? Is it based on the same
 block as a 307......350? >>

Believe it is a different block.
The multiple interchanges of 307-330-350-403-400-400-425-455 does not include 
the 260.
Timing set & oil pan the same for the group and SB's & BB's can swap intakes 
heads and x-mans with other SB's & BB's.
(and lets not get into how it is possible to put BB heads or x-mans on a 
small block here?)
Other swaps not mentioned for brevity.

For 260, Karl understands that the SB intake & heads are not bolt ups, but 
can be machined.
Thus cam for 260 would prolly be a custom grind.

Karl disavows anything but cursory knowlede of the cursory 260 motor.
Furthermore, if Karl did know anything about the 260, he is not presently 
disposed to address the subject.
Though he did see a 260 intake in the back seat of a station wagon in a Yarde.

SOM

&KA

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:13:34 -0700
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re:  Bad Vibrations, Cont'd- TH400? LONG, but urgent!

>> Bad Vibrations, Cont'd- TH400? LONG, but urgent!

I've been following the posts to the list regarding the swapped chassis from
one vehicle to another still having a bad vibration.
	I'm not familiar at all with Turbo Hydromatic transmissions since
I've never owned one, but thought I'd toss out this piece of information.
Prior to restifying my 70 Cutlass, I noticed that the car had a vibration
that was not due to tire balance.  When I took the transmission and
driveshaft out I noticed that the tail stock of the transmission has a
bushing similar to a cam bearing.  This bushing was ~badly~ worn on my M-22,
as well as the driveshaft yoke.  This ~may~ be the cause of your problems,
since you have had a lot of the suspension/drivetrain repaired/replaced.  I
would assume that if you had the driveshaft rebuilt, and the yoke was worn,
that the shop would have told you to investigate the tail stock of the
transmission, but who knows.
	This applied to my M-22, and like I wrote I'm not familiar with the
Turbo Hydromatic transmissions too much, but check out the tail stock, and
see if there is a bushing that can be replaced. It made a heck of a
difference on my Cutlass!

Steve Reed
Austin, TX

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:19:41 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Mallory Unilite Distributor

>  Yes I do have a ballast resistor. Mallory tech stated to reun the
> distributor with a direct 12volt line and run the coil with the resisted
> line...
>
 That's weird.  Are you using the Hyfire ignition control, too?  That
will get wired a bit differently.  If not, for an installation that
utilizes only a Unilite and ignition coil, the instructions that came
with my kit unmistakeably indicate running the ballast resisted line
(about 9 volts) to the coil positive terminal, just like the stock
installation.  Then, connect the red Unilite lead to the coil positive.
(This results in the Unilite module circuit receiving 9 volts parallel
to the coil circuit).  The green wire then goes to the coil negative
terminal and the brown wire goes to ground.

Did you buy yours new?  If you got it used, the instructions
specifically say, "Failure to install the ballast...will result in the
eventual destruction of the Unilite module."  Just what you wanted to
hear, huh?

Don't panic, yet.  Your problem could be something else.  Still, I'd put
the wiring right.

For more info, go here:

http://www.centuryperformance.com/mallory1.htm

I'll warn you, this guy sells this stuff, he's not a Mallory tech.  But
he's got online wiring diagrams, troubleshooting tips, FAQ's,
instructions, etc.  He's quite smart on Mallory.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
  1971 Cutlass S: 350 Rocket/TH350/Edelbrock OL4B/dual exhaust/
        sometimes Q-Jet, sometimes Holley/Mallory Unilite Conversion.
  1988 Plymouth Voyager 3.0:  Ummm...Let me think of something.

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 09:31:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Doug Kitchener <oldsdoug@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Compression Ring

- --- Gregg and Mary Ludlam <gmrocket@southport.net> wrote:
> >All suggestions welcomed.
> 
> Go turn the thing over and see what happens!  The
> very worst that could
> happen is that it doesn't work, at which point you
> yank those heads off,
> swap the block with one out of any number of other
> Toros you have sitting up
> at the shop, hit the key and go!  See, another
> opportunity for a
> Sparkmeister Photo Essay on the FAQ!

Step 1:  Rent new Intrigue.
Step 2:  Pull engine out of Beater.
Step 3:  Pull engine out of Flamer.
Step 4:  Install Beater engine in Flamer.
Step 5:  Rebuild bottom end of original Flamer engine.
Step 6:  Install Flamer engine on stand for reserve. 
Step 6:  Part out Beater.

Qaplaa!  :)

D
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 9:28 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: steel-shim vs composite head gaskets

>I was just wondering why wouldn't you use the steel gaskets and get 
>the extra compression?  Weren't they stock on engines that ran for 
>20-30 years with no gasket problems?
_____________________________________

I don't know Oldsmobile's that well yet, but with Mopars the 
conventional wisdom is that it's harder to get a good seal when 
installing the steel-shim gaskets - things like head/block 
straightness and surface finish are more critical. The composition 
gaskets are supposed to be more forgiving of this sort of thing.
I haven't heard of any problems with factory steel shim gaskets, I 
guess the factory had the details figured out. Olds engine gurus, any 
comments?

- -John Carri
'72 Supreme
'73 RoadRunner

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:49:40 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Custom Grills

Are there any out there???...
_______

Nope.  Your only choices are the factory 442, Supreme, or Cutlass grilles.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:36:50 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Re: Buyers everywhere

I know what ya mean.

I have a 70 Conv. in my driveway, and I get a call a week from people
wanting to buy it.
I have even had people call from 1000 miles away.
The strange thing is I don't have it on any pages or anywhere.  It just
saittin' in the drive on blocks.

Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454




- ----------
> From: Wyatt <Wyatt@jobax.net>
> To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Buyers everywhere
> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 11:49 AM
> 
> I was just curious if the rest of you are being besieged by people
> wanting to purchase your Oldsmobiles.  So far this spring I have had
> five e-mails from people wanting to buy my car after seeing it in the
> car show section of 442.com.  I keep relying with a polite thanks, but
> no thanks, it's not for sale.
> I also remind them that it is not in the cars for sale area.
> 
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2
> 
> P.S.
> I have dropped the insurance to storage status and as soon as I am
> walking in a few weeks the restoration will commence.  As I told Chris
> Smetana, if I don't start, I will never finish.  Wish me luck!
> 

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:30:42 EDT
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Custom Grills

randy, i have a set of 72 grills(from a 72 supreme,the checker board 
design)that were retro-fitted into a set of 70 grill frames. looks kinda 
cool, but since all my cars are bone stock i dont have a need for them. the 
guy that did it was a machinist and a paint and body man for over 30 years. 
he did a nice job,but when he retired he sold all his olds stuff to me and 
they were in it.  if interested let me know.  steven, w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 12:45:05 -0500
From: jwt441@ibm.net
Subject: 63 cutlass chrome and clips

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:51:36 EDT
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Buyers everywhere

In a message dated 99-04-27 13:39:45 EDT, you write:

<< I have a 70 Conv. in my driveway, and I get a call a week from people
 wanting to buy it.
 I have even had people call from 1000 miles away.
 The strange thing is I don't have it on any pages or anywhere.  It just
 saittin' in the drive on blocks.  >>

SOM is, sadly, worse off than most pix show (much shadow at bottom of panels 
in pix).
Still have occasional querys about selling.
Despite the obvious damage.

Some folks just have taste.

And no, SOM is not for sale.
Not for anything near what you want to pay.

SOM

&KA

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:53:47 -0400
From: "Meyer, Erich" <EMeyer@mdsctl.com>
Subject: RE: Buyers everywhere

	Robert if I saw your car on blocks I would offer to buy it too.
		The only reason I would do this is, if it's on blocks in
spring most likely the owner has too much to fix, does not want to fix it or
it's for sale. These are the most common reasons.
		Even I have had people pull up to the lights and ask if I
want to sell mine. 

		Erich 84 H/O

		-----Original Message-----
		From:	Robert Schinkel [mailto:docbob@caninet.com]
		Sent:	Tuesday, April 27, 1999 1:37 PM
		To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
		Subject:	Re: Buyers everywhere

		I know what ya mean.

		I have a 70 Conv. in my driveway, and I get a call a week
from people
		wanting to buy it.
		I have even had people call from 1000 miles away.
		The strange thing is I don't have it on any pages or
anywhere.  It just
		saittin' in the drive on blocks.

		Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
		Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454




		----------
		> From: Wyatt <Wyatt@jobax.net>
		> To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
		> Subject: Buyers everywhere
		> Date: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 11:49 AM
		> 
		> I was just curious if the rest of you are being besieged
by people
		> wanting to purchase your Oldsmobiles.  So far this spring
I have had
		> five e-mails from people wanting to buy my car after
seeing it in the
		> car show section of 442.com.  I keep relying with a polite
thanks, but
		> no thanks, it's not for sale.
		> I also remind them that it is not in the cars for sale
area.
		> 
		> Dave Wyatt
		> 70  4-4-2
		> 
		> P.S.
		> I have dropped the insurance to storage status and as soon
as I am
		> walking in a few weeks the restoration will commence.  As
I told Chris
		> Smetana, if I don't start, I will never finish.  Wish me
luck!
		> 

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:58:58 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Buyers everywhere

At 01:51 PM 4/27/99 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 99-04-27 13:39:45 EDT, you write:
>
><< I have a 70 Conv. in my driveway, and I get a call a week from people
> wanting to buy it.
> I have even had people call from 1000 miles away.
> The strange thing is I don't have it on any pages or anywhere.  It just
> saittin' in the drive on blocks.  >>
>
>SOM is, sadly, worse off than most pix show (much shadow at bottom of panels 
>in pix).
>Still have occasional querys about selling.
>Despite the obvious damage.
>
>Some folks just have taste.
>
>And no, SOM is not for sale.
>Not for anything near what you want to pay.
>
>SOM
>
>&KA
>



Awww, come on. I'll trade you a pack of tic tacs, a six pack of Red White
and Blue and a shiny new nickel!

Omega Man
'74 Omega
'74 Omega

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:05:03 -0500
From: C K <bloom9@juno.com>
Subject: Clearing up a mistake

Hello all, this is a follow-up message to one that I wrote a few days
ago. One of the
responses to this message caused me some worry, so I did some research to
get more inf.. 

I'd like to thank this person for going to the official EPA website and
then writing back to
the Olds list.

>Actually, 134A is one of the few refrigerants that is *not* a blend.

Yes, this is true. My mistake.

>R409A is also illegal to use in automotive use, per this from the EPA
>web site:

I almost died when I read this and wasted no time looking up the website
to confirm.
Needless to say I wasn't happy. 

When I sent the list the inf. about R-409a, I was using a retrofit manual
printed up by the
manufacturer. In the manual it doesn't list R-409a as a replacement
Fresno used in cars,
BUT the local supply house assured me this is what local A/C mechanics
were using. I
apologize to the list for taking this inf. as truthful and legal.

I called the Fresno company that makes R-409a and asked them why the EPA
says it is
illegal for use in cars. He said the EPA tested it and determined that
the chemical made-
up of R-409a will eventually damage the hoses and fittings that were
being used on R-12.
He said it wasn't as fast as R-134a, as far as damage goes, but
eventually the damage
would occur. They recommend using R-134a as a replacement for R-12.

So, when I recharge any A/C system in my cars I will use Freeze 12
(FR-12).

If I should decide to retrofit to R-134a I will replace my condenser with
a new one from a
company called Vintage Air (1-800-862-6658). They sell one called a Super
Flow that
sells for $117. It is a horizontal coil measuring 12" tall by 20" wide by
.83" thick or one
like it except 23.9" wide. They claim that R-134a requires about 20% more
capacity,
which means standard condensers are 20% too small. The Super Flow
condenser makes
up for this need by the designing the condenser with more surface area.
Basically this
means that they turned the fins so there's more air flow over the tubes
without increasing
the size of the condenser. To get an idea of how this looks, take a look
at the design of a
condenser in one of the newer cars. These are like this because of the
R-134a Fresno.

Once again, sorry for any misinformation in the past.

Fred Kemp
bloom9@juno.com
Tulsa, OK area
'67 442, Cutlass S and Cutlass(daily driver)

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:24:20 -0500
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Re: 1970 W-31 Pace Car, whats it worth??

Yeah, and check out that experimental EGR setup, circa 1970. Wow is this
a rare car! At least it's an Olds engine.


> 1970 Olds W-31 Grand National Pace Car. There were only 3,000 of these made 
and
> only 300 of those were made with a 4-Speed Transmission, like this one with 
a Hertz
> Shifter. It has a 400 cubic inch engine that has been completely rebuilt and 
bored
> out 40 over. Original interior. Matching #'s on body.

- --
David Brown         Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
              Sneak a peek at 5.X FAQ at:
      www.ameritech.net/users/dlbrown/oldsfaq.htm
          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 14:36:16 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Hershey this weekend!

Spring Hershey this weekend. Parts vendors and car corral. What could be 
sweeter.Who's going?
Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv (duals of course)

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:29:27 EDT
From: Jim68442@aol.com
Subject: Price of Mustang

Hey all,

Olds content:
Selling 1965 Mustang so I can buy a house with a garage to keep my 442 under 
cover.

Now for the details. It's got 23500 original miles, 200 cid, A/T, Vinyl top, 
Original tires. It's in my mother garage now and I need to get it out of 
there and me into a house. The car has been in my family since it was new.

What is a good asking price?

Thanks!

Jim 68 442

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:55:17 -0400
From: "Shokouhi, Mike" <ShokouhM@nasd.com>
Subject: >Subject: rear end ratios

I have an "A" body posi that's supposed to fit '73' up -I don't know if
the last year is '77 or '79?  The gears are new (that is never used), I
got it in a trade many years ago and never had a use for it.  The ratios
is perfect for enduro racing, it's like 2.xx to 1.  I'm in the DC area,
if interested i'll take a fair offer for it.

Mike Shokouhi

>Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:01:38 -0500
>From: "Troy Nelson" <troyjnelson@email.msn.com>
>Subject: rear end ratios

>I own a 1978 Olds Cutlass Supreme that I race in enduros.
>I am wondering if anyone knows what the stock rear end ratio is?
>It has a 350 engine w/turbo 350 trans.
>I am looking for a lower gear ratio with a posi rear end.
>Can anyone help me out on what gear ratios are available and what other rear
>end GM cars maybe compatible?

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 13:12:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Buyers everywhere

I get offers all the time.  Last week, I went to a parts store to ask
about springs, and before he even looked up the info, the guy alrady
asked me if I wanted to sell my car.  I didn't even have the thing
there with me!  Oh well, I guess that's better that people saying
something like "why the hell would you drive something like that?"

Stefan
1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
70Cutlass@Beer.com

- --- KarlAunan@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 99-04-27 13:39:45 EDT, you write:
> 
> << I have a 70 Conv. in my driveway, and I get a call a week from
> people
>  wanting to buy it.
>  I have even had people call from 1000 miles away.
>  The strange thing is I don't have it on any pages or anywhere.  It
> just
>  saittin' in the drive on blocks.  >>
> 
> SOM is, sadly, worse off than most pix show (much shadow at bottom of
> panels 
> in pix).
> Still have occasional querys about selling.
> Despite the obvious damage.
> 
> Some folks just have taste.
> 
> And no, SOM is not for sale.
> Not for anything near what you want to pay.
> 
> SOM
> 
> &KA
> 

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:34:36 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <hurstolds@duesouth.net>
Subject: Re: Buyers everywhere

I know the feeling about this.  I always reply "not right now, but you'll
be the first to know".....

Which, by the way, I have only sold ONE Oldsmobile in the last 14
years....what are the chances?  ;)

Mike Rothe

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 15:31:50 -0700
From: Mickey Navarre <mick@cajunnet.com>
Subject: lose weight fast

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:31:17 -0400
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Hershey this weekend!

I'll be there..........I hope!

Randy


> Spring Hershey this weekend. Parts vendors and car corral. What could be 
> sweeter.Who's going?
> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 conv (duals of course)
> 

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:34:43 -0400
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Me vrs. Speedshop

Good point.......I degreed mine in per the spec sheet when I installed the
first time. When I swapped blocks I re-installed the cam straight up to see
what would happen. World of difference........nowhere near the power and
engine would only wind to 4000.

Randy


> Just a thought on this. Are you sure the shop degreed in the Comp cam
> correctly? Did they have the timing and carb adjusted correctly when it
was
> dynoed? Maybe it's crappy tuning.
>
> Omega Man
>
>
>
>
>
>
> At 08:40 PM 4/22/99 EDT, you wrote:
> >In a message dated 4/22/99 9:45:01 AM Central Daylight Time,
> >hurst455@webtv.net writes:
> >
> ><< I`m tired
> > of paying for things or services that fall well short of advertised.
> > What can I do? >>
> >Well,(opinion) you will have to pay  for the new cam; however, you should
> >sternly remind the shop that you did not want the cam they insisted on
> >installing. These guys should give you an "at cost" installation. Don't
lay
> >down, get the best deal you can! GET WHAT YOU ORDERED!
> >You might get nothing, just remember, it is their problem also, it is
> >unethical to promise one thing and deliver another. Don't feel guilty or
> >uncomfortable confronting these guys.
> >Chris
> >70 455 Cutlass S
> >
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:10:24 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Brake and tail lights out - '68 Cutlass (turn signals work)

In a message dated 4/26/99 10:08:42 PM Central Daylight Time, 
earthsci@pop.usit.net writes:

<< As I was checking it out tonight, the brake lights began to work again, for
 a while. Now nothing. Tail lights don't work at all. Side markers and
 back-up lights are not hooked up. (They haven't been since I've had the car,
 even though the other stuff was working fine up to last week)
 
 Any additional thoughts from the experts?
  >>
  I have run into similar situations before with Olds and other Old cars...I 
have found it nessacary to ALWAYS check the actual mounting of the light 
housing for a solid ground. It may be nessacary to grind some of the "funk" 
off from the mounting surface and the housing. It is also a good idea to 
treat the mounting surfaces with the same treatments that are available for 
use with battery terminal posts. This treatment will prevent surface rust and 
insure a good connection from the housing to the vehicle body. 

Collyn 

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 16:16:53 -0500
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: '72 disc brakes

better would be a factory assy manual it will show bracket locations and so
on that the service manual doesnt show or address I could tell you every
thing to do but there isnt enough space here and I hate to type...KK
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 1999 11:09 AM
Subject: '72 disc brakes


> I'm getting ready to put a '72 disc brake set-up on my '68 Cutlass.
>
> Does anyone out there know if the '72 chassis manual has good
> pictures/details about the front brake set-up?
>
>
> Mickey
> '68 Cutlass "S" Conv
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 17:31:44 -0400
From: retrorockets <retrorockets@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 1972 442 W 30 For Sale

According to the '70 Oldsmobile service manual the W-30 cam for auto trans 442s
was the same as the standard 442 auto trans models, believe it or not. It shows
that cam duration as 285 deg intake, 287 deg exhaust.  That produced sufficient
vacuum to support power brakes.  In 442s with 4-speeds, the cam had 294 deg
intake, 296 deg exhaust.  The W-31 cam was a bruiser, 308 deg intake and
exhaust.  And the W-30 4- speed cam had 328 deg intake and exhaust.  Found out
somewhere that the 328 cam had a duration at .050 of 244 deg.  Very gentle
ramps.  An awful lot of overlap for 244 deg @ .050.  Accounts for the
rumpity-rump nature of the beast, something my wife really likes on hers.  Of
course, I pay for the gas.

Dude

Four42much@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 4/26/99 11:34:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> LOUS69W30@aol.com writes:
>
> << In a message dated 4/25/99 9:07:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>  jspajak@us.hsanet.net writes:
>
>  << OOPS! AC was NOT available on any 72 W30. I'd be real suspicious of this
>   car! >>
>
>  No, I believe that beginning in 1970 you could get AC in a W30.
>
>  Lou Principe
>  69 442 W-30 >>
>
> Thats right Lou, when you got the air car , you got a less radical cam....I
> believe it was a 274 for the AC car and 328 for the non air car...
> Hot Rod Harry

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