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oldsmobile-digest       Monday, April 26 1999       Volume 01 : Number 1926



Re: Brake and tail lights went out - '68 Cutlass
Re: rear main seal
Oldsmotuning was: ..uh..DYeagersQ was: the Comfy Chair
Re: Fan Clutch?
Re: Fan Clutch?
Re: 1970 442 Convt. by DANBURY MINT !
Re: Speaking of Carlisle...
Re: 1972 442 W 30 For Sale
Re: Speaking of Carlisle...
Carlisle and W-31 ramblings
Non olds:  Atomic Clock Watch
Re: 1972 442 W 30 For Sale
Re: Carlisle and W-31 ramblings
Its out again:)
'72 A-body front end bushing question
that Windows-98 comment...
May JWO
GM Export Cars (was: Re: Its out again:))
Re: GM Export Cars (was: Re: Its out again:))
RE: Carlisle and W-31 ramblings
RE: Lost Keys
RE: Carlisle and W-31 ramblings
Re: 1970 442 Convt. by DANBURY MINT !
442 Bumpers
Re: 1970 442 Convt. by DANBURY MINT !
Olds Web Heads
Re: 1970 442 Convt. by DANBURY MINT !
Re: 442 Bumpers
Cranking Compression
PAINT COLOR
Re: Fan Clutch?
Re: Mallory Unilite Distributor
Re: Speaking of Carlisle...
small-block head swapping for increased CR
Re: small-block head swapping for increased CR
Re: 442 Bumpers
Re: 442 Bumpers
Re: '72 A-body front end bushing question
car shows?
RE: boneyard score
Re: small-block head swapping for increased CR
72 Supreme SX?????
Re: cowl taginfo lansing car!!
Re: 72 rims trailer pkge??
Re: boneyard score
Quartz Clock Conversion
Only 1973 Toronado known to exist!
Introduction
Oldsmobile Frown
Re: Only 1973 Toronado known to exist!

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:28:57 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Brake and tail lights went out - '68 Cutlass

>Worked fine yesterday, don't work today.

Assuming that _all_ taillights and brake lights are out, and maybe the 
side markers and license plate as well, I'd check the harness that 
runs the length of the car from the fusebox back to the left rear 
corner of the trunk. Other than the bulbs themselves, this is about 
the only place where taillamp and brake lamp circuits are close 
together, and if all four bulbs went out at once, I wouldn't suspect a 
bulb problem.

- -- Andy


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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:29:27 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: rear main seal

OK, I found in my saved documents that the rear main seal for a 1970 455 is the
same as the one for a Ford 460,  but is it the newer one piece or the older two
piece.  Is it from a truck 460 (newer) or a car 460 (Older)?

Steven
70 W-30 convertible
_________

I've always used the two-piece seal.  Simply install it with the ends of the
seal offset 5 or 10 degrees from the split line of the main cap and leakage is
virtually nonexistent.  I've never seen the one-piece Ford seal.  Is this a 
unit
that slips over the flywheel end of the crank with a separate retainer after
crank installation, or is this something that you slip over the end of the 
crank
before setting the crank in the block.  If the latter, I could envision using 
it
on an Olds motor, but if the former, then obviously not.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:31:23 EDT
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Oldsmotuning was: ..uh..DYeagersQ was: the Comfy Chair

'Lo again!

Have already told Dorian that turning the dist clockwise advances timing and 
anticlockwise retards.

And after today checking dwell and adjusting slow idle RPM, Karl has a follow 
up Q.

(Dwell was found to be 25', should be checked every 3 months od driving or 
so.)

For a breaker points type system, changing the slow idle RPM alters the dwell.
And vice versa.

So, for the tuning process of idle, dwell, and final (timing light) timing.
What is the proper order?

While Karl today managed to match a 600 RPM idle with a 30' dwell (sounds 
much better), will adjusting final timing by backing off of ping or similar 
also affect idle RPM?

Or should each be tweaked until finally: 30' dwell, 600 RPM idle and no ping?

SOM

&KA <---- working on SOM's volumetric efficiency

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:31:17 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Fan Clutch?

Well here is the temperature dilemma. On my 72 442 455 car I installed a
mechanical temp gauge. The thermostat opens at 195*. When the car is
driving the temperature drops to 170*. When I pull up to a stop it will
heat up to 210* and then the second I begin to accelerate it drops to 170*.
_________

Sorry, I missed the beginning of this thread. What's the problem.  This sounds
like normal operation so far.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:53:36 -0500
From: "Glen Hankins" <hankins5@hit.net>
Subject: Re: Fan Clutch?

>Well here is the temperature dilemma. On my 72 442 455 car I installed a
>mechanical temp gauge. The thermostat opens at 195*. When the car is
>driving the temperature drops to 170*. When I pull up to a stop it will
>heat up to 210* and then the second I begin to accelerate it drops to 170*.


It could be that the impeller tolerances in your H2O pump are loose.  Then
circulation would be poor, until the engine speed picked up and the pump
could move cooler water from the radiator into the motor, dramatically
dropping the temp reading.

  We use lots of impeller pumps at work for cooling, and this sounds a lot
like a problem we run into sometimes.


Good luck,

GBH

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:55:32 -0700
From: "Mike Siedlik" <mjsiedl@megavision.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 442 Convt. by DANBURY MINT !

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HI AGAIN
 Just got my danbury mint 1970 W-30. VERY-VERY NICE !!  I can already =
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be a hard job,but it would be worth it) It's a 4-speed car and has =
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THE MUSCLE CAR RANKS. (DANBURY,FRANKLIN....)

p.s. The website mark gave you 'does not' do it justice.

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:48:14 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Speaking of Carlisle...

In a message dated 4/26/99 9:04:05 AM EST, Padavano.Joe@orbital.com writes:

<< Stuff I saw: >>
Each day is different at Carlisle. Friday & Saturday is best if you want to 
buy a car. Plenty to choose from. They haven't all been picked over yet. 
I couldn't make it there until Sunday. The Hurst Olds was still on the hill 
as were a 62 Starfire w/ orig 394/345 engine. Painted a Burgundy (pretty 
close to original color)
Guy was from Canada-wanted $6500. If it was a convert, I would've bought it. 
Also a couple of dealers from NC. had a real nice 51 OldsYellow & Green  
Stick shift, and a 63 Starfire hardtop in pretty rough shape. There was also 
some great stuff let there. Like a truck Bumper Lots of rearend gears and 
what looked to be a Studebaker grill (must've weighed 150lbs. Funny, if you 
needed a part like that, you probably couldn't find it, but there it was just 
the same. Guess someone didn't want to haul it home.
 Bruce
75 Delta 88 conv (duals of course)

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:07:08 -0400
From: "Mike McLeod" <mikemcleod@msn.com>
Subject: Re: 1972 442 W 30 For Sale

I had a 72 W- 30, I bought it around 1974 and it had A/C.
- -----Original Message-----
From: retrorockets <retrorockets@snet.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: 1972 442 W 30 For Sale


John,

I'm not so sure about no A/C on all W-30s.  I believe it was available on
W-30 automatic trans cars which used a slightly tamer cam (312 deg
duration).  The 4-speed W-30s with the 328 deg cam were not available with
either A/C or power brakes, not enough vacuum at idle.  This was true for
1970 models and I believe it held true through '72, though I'm not
absolutely positive.  Anyone else know the '72s better out there?

Dude

John Pajak wrote:

> Flynt wrote:
>
> I have found a restored 72 442 W 30 for sale.  It is a matching
> number car with the bench seat and automatic with A/C.
> I would like to have this two owner car.  What is a good price for
> this car?  The owner wants $14,500.
>
> **********
> OOPS! AC was NOT available on any 72 W30. I'd be real suspicious of this
> car!
>
> John Pajak
> 1972 W30 convertible (without AC!)
> + others
> http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:06:15 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Speaking of Carlisle...

There was also some great stuff let there....
______

Yeah, I hesitate to let the secret out, but it seems like people leave a lot of
the stuff they don't want to haul.  I'm sure it's a pain for the fairgrounds to
clean up, but you can often make some interesting finds.  As an example, at
Englishtown last year, I found a very straight pair of notched big block valve
covers left by someone who had abandoned the swap due to the rain.  Of course,
one needs to ensure that the parts are really abandoned (for example, if they
are in a trash barrel, that's usually a good sign).

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:14:10 -0500
From: Chris Smetana <chris@abcs.com>
Subject: Carlisle and W-31 ramblings

>
> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 09:59:47 -0400
> From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
> Subject: Speaking of Carlisle...
>
>
> 70 W-31 Holiday Coupe.  $6500.  Complete and correct, but needed a complete
> resto.  Very little rust.  No options at all (not ever PS).  If it weren't 
for
> the fact that I'd never live it down, I might have bought this car (well, 
that
> and the fact that I've just bought a new house that needs a ton of work and I
> already have five project cars in various states of disrepair).  He's in 301
> area code, so I kept his number, just in case.

===========
Hmmm, interesting ........
Oh, and yes, Joe "nothing less than 400 cubes" Padavano, you wouldn't live 
this down :-)
===========

> A correct-with-X-code-in-the-VIN (one of, what, 13?) 1972 W-30 Sport Coupe.
> Unfortunately, as my friend Bill pointed out, some things are rare for a
> reason...

===========
I believe the correct answer is 19, for those of you scoring at home.
ahh, beauty is in the eye of the beholder ......   (what did he say?)
===========

>
>
> cleaner aerosol cans with a friend.  It should surprize no one on this list 
that
> I still was unsuccessful in finding a nice 69 442 hood...  I was also
>

========
Joe, you just can't win can you.  Sounds like I missed a good time.  I guess 
on the bright side, I also saved
money by not going  :-)
========

>
>
> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 11:04:12 -0400
> From: Miguel Morales <Mike.Morales@wcom.com>
> Subject: Re: W-31 pace Car
>
> There is an authentic W-31 Post-Coupe 1 of 169 or so built in 1970 for sale 
here
> in Virginia for about $7500 asking price. I can get phone number of anyone is
> interested.

=========
Tempting me again :-)

=========

Also, I checked out that 'so-called' 70 W-31 pace car.  It's basically a nice 
70 post, with chevy rallyes among
other things.  What's with the W-31 emblems on the decklid and hood tongue?  
And Joe, I was gonna mention the
never seen in 70 EGR valve too, but looks like you beat me to the punch.  That 
auction has ended, I wonder what
will become of the car.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
http://www.abcs.com/chris/

1969 W-31
1969 4-4-2 parts car
plus others

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:11:57 -0700
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Non olds:  Atomic Clock Watch

List,
	Some inquired about a PGM out there to monitor your PC's clock to
the atomic clock in D.C.  Here's a link 4 ya.

Steve Reed
Austin, TX

"ClockWatch keeps the time set accurate in your computer by regularly
comparing your system clock to the "atomic" clock at the National Institute
of Standards and Technology"

http://www.beaglesoft.com/ProdClockWatch.htm

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:39:15 -0400
From: "Mike McLeod" <mikemcleod@msn.com>
Subject: Re: 1972 442 W 30 For Sale

After I wrote back and said I had a 72 W-30 way back in 1974, I got to
thinking. Back then I did not verify any numbers on the car, so it possibly
could of been a fake.(It would not suprise me any, young and dumb at that
time). So I looked in the Olds Restoration guide after writing my first
response.  I may be mistaken, but on page 163 the pic in the lower left
corner. It looks like that car has A/C and he depicts it as a 1972 W-30.
What do you all think?
- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike McLeod <mikemcleod@msn.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: 1972 442 W 30 For Sale


I had a 72 W- 30, I bought it around 1974 and it had A/C.
- -----Original Message-----
From: retrorockets <retrorockets@snet.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 10:32 PM
Subject: Re: 1972 442 W 30 For Sale


John,

I'm not so sure about no A/C on all W-30s.  I believe it was available on
W-30 automatic trans cars which used a slightly tamer cam (312 deg
duration).  The 4-speed W-30s with the 328 deg cam were not available with
either A/C or power brakes, not enough vacuum at idle.  This was true for
1970 models and I believe it held true through '72, though I'm not
absolutely positive.  Anyone else know the '72s better out there?

Dude

John Pajak wrote:

> Flynt wrote:
>
> I have found a restored 72 442 W 30 for sale.  It is a matching
> number car with the bench seat and automatic with A/C.
> I would like to have this two owner car.  What is a good price for
> this car?  The owner wants $14,500.
>
> **********
> OOPS! AC was NOT available on any 72 W30. I'd be real suspicious of this
> car!
>
> John Pajak
> 1972 W30 convertible (without AC!)
> + others
> http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:44:49 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Carlisle and W-31 ramblings

What's with the W-31 emblems on the decklid and hood tongue?
________

Yeah, since he obviously bent the emblem on the hood tongue to match the V
shape.

By the way, Chris, all the way home from Carlisle I was thinking about building
my mythical killer 403 to drop into that $6500 W-31.  Yes, the purists are
screaming, but at least it would let me buy the car and still live with
myself... ;-)  Think about it.  You could grind the "403" off of the side of 
the
block, then sandblast the area to make it look like a rough cast surface.  "G"
heads could be modified to look like "6" heads to get the bigger ports.  Nobody
really checks the head casting numbers except when you're looking for "E" heads
made into "F" heads anyway (Quick, what's the correct casting number for "6"
heads?  No fair looking at the FAQ.  See, I told you).  I'd have to do 
something
about the "4A" on the block, however, and it would take some fancy aluminum 
work
to get a factory W-31 manifold to mate up to the big block heads and still look
factory-cast (not to mention the huevos to cut up a rare piece like that).

Yep, I really need another project...

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 21:44:06 +0200
From: Trond-Jarle Pedersen <olds69@online.no>
Subject: Its out again:)

Ahhh

Spring time...
took the F-85 out saturday.
spent most of the weekend i the car :)
that's a fine looking automobile yessir...
thank you mister Oldsmobile and all the fine craftsmen that assembled
this genius work of auto art.
But i do have to start with that disc brake conversion now.
witch means that i cant drive it for a week :(
have to work real hard maybe just to days :)

I also went to a local auto show
saw the new Chevrolet (yes ceby) Alero (with olds emblems on the hood)
Just 377 000 nok (48 900 us$!!!!!)
Ehhhh not on my pay check 
and that's just for the 2,4 liter engine

depressed and happy 

Trond-Jarle

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:36 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: '72 A-body front end bushing question

My '72 Supreme is in need of a front-end rebuild, and I'm in the 
planning stage. Since my car is a daily driver and I can't have it out 
of commission for several days while I figure out how to press 
bushings and ball-joints in and out of the A-arms, I went to what Karl 
calls ye olde yarde this weekend, and got donor A-arms from a 1972 
Chevy Monte Carlo; the plan is to rebuild these, then spend a weekend 
swapping them into my Supreme so as to minimize downtime. So far so 
good, but the lower control arms I got have one oval and one round 
bushing. I looked through my suspension catalogs and several 
manufacturers do make replacement oval poly bushings, but the Global 
West Del-A-Lum bushings come in only the round flavour. For now I'll 
use what I have, but in the future I want to upgrade to the full 
Global West negative-roll/tall spindle/1LE 12" brake combo, and for 
this I will need to get lower A-arms with round bushings that will fit 
my '72 Supreme. (at which time I'll have 4 spare lower A-arms; anyone 
want extra lower A-arms sometime next year?!!) 

My question: Anyone know what donor GM cars have lower A-arms that 
will fit my '72 Supreme, and that have the round bushings? In 
particular, I am interested in Chevy donor cars, since they vastly 
outnumber any other make at the yard(e). Hah, I finally found a use 
for Chevy's....what nobler cause than to die so that an Olds might 
continue to live? :)

- -John Carri
'72 Supreme
'73 RoadRunner

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 12:44 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: that Windows-98 comment...

>"Windows-98 is a 32 bit extension and Graphical shell for a 16 bit 
>patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit 
>microprocessor, written by a 2 bit company, that can't stand 1 bit of 
>competition."
__________________________________________

LOL that bit of email is the best thing that has happened to me all 
day!

Can't wait for the day when Linux starts to replace the incredibly 
lousy Window's operating systems. I heard that Linux was the 
fastest-growing operating system of 1998, hope it keeps growing!

Old's content, anyone run down to that junkyard and buy that '67 
Toronado I mentioned earlier today?

- -John Carri  (frustrated Window's user and hater of same)
'72 Supreme  
'73 RoadRunner

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:08:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: May JWO

My copy came today (strange, since the April issue hasn't yet arrived) and
I note that Mr. Doug Newman of this list is featured in a story he wrote
about his '87 4-4-2. Nice going Doug!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:11:58 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: GM Export Cars (was: Re: Its out again:))

...saw the new Chevrolet (yes ceby) Alero (with olds emblems on the hood)...
__________

It turns out that Olds is _not_ currently one of GM's export divisions, so
"Oldsmobile"-badged cars are not sold outside the US (please hold those cards
and letters, as GM apparently doesn't consider Canada a foreign country).  New
Oldsmobiles to be exported must be badged with another division's name.

Go figure....

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 22:16:55 +0200
From: Trond-Jarle Pedersen <olds69@online.no>
Subject: Re: GM Export Cars (was: Re: Its out again:))

Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM wrote:
> 
> It turns out that Olds is _not_ currently one of GM's export divisions, so
> "Oldsmobile"-badged cars are not sold outside the US (please hold those cards
> and letters, as GM apparently doesn't consider Canada a foreign country).  
New
> Oldsmobiles to be exported must be badged with another division's name.
> 
> Go figure....
> 

Well i am not suprised after the flop Oldsmobile had here in the 80s
imported load of wagons with no equipment (except posi) and that lousy
diesel engine.
that ruined Olds reputation for decades
(if you want diesel engine or a 7,5" posi in the lower 2,40 Norway is
the plays to go)

Trond Jarle

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 13:27:59 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: Carlisle and W-31 ramblings

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> Yep, I really need another project...


Hey Joe,
Why don't you build the mythical 66 Starfire convertible out of S/f trim and
a Dynamic Convert?

Big block 455, digital fuel injection, big car disk brakes, all the big car
option toys

Just in case you need a 1 of 1 to do....


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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 15:34:20 -0500
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas.Martin@motorola.com>
Subject: RE: Lost Keys

Call Olds directly, my wife did on a 84 Cavalier that she locked her keys in
the car, and the dealer claimed the same deal.  She called Chevy hotline and
told them the problem with the dealer, and they called the dealer, and had
her talk to them, they turned her away and the customer service person (she
was listening in) got on and told them to do it, they were not happy, but
she did get a free set of GM keys for the trouble.  They claimed they had to
lookup the paper records upstairs in the records room.  

So, it CAN be done, it is getting them TO do it.

Tom

Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac Power!
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800 Buick Power!

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:39:43 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: RE: Carlisle and W-31 ramblings

...Why don't you build the mythical 66 Starfire convertible out of S/f trim and
a Dynamic Convert?...
_______

I know I've said this before, but the phantom car I _REALLY_ want to build is a
1968 W-30, or better yet Hurst/Olds, pickup using a similar vintage ElCamino.
This would involve not only fabricating rear quarters and tailgate based on
Vista Cruiser panels, but also adapting a complete Olds interior.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:52:18 -0400
From: retrorockets <retrorockets@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 1970 442 Convt. by DANBURY MINT !

Mike,

Check under the hood on that model.  Hope it doesn't have power brakes.
My wife noticed that glitch on another '70 W-30 model, can't remember
the name of the company that made it.

Dude

Mike Siedlik wrote:

>  HI AGAIN Just got my danbury mint 1970 W-30. VERY-VERY NICE !!  I can
> already see people buying it and changing colors to match their cars
> (it would be a hard job,but it would be worth it) It's a 4-speed car
> and has decals(dr. decal's ?) in the trunk, engine compartment, even
> on the drivers door jam !    BOY IT"S NICE TO SEE OLDSMOBILE NOT LEFT
> OUT IN THE MUSCLE CAR RANKS. (DANBURY,FRANKLIN....) p.s. The website
> mark gave you 'does not' do it
> justice.
> MIKE
>
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: Mike Siedlik <mjsiedl@megavision.com>
>      To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>      Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 8:06 AM
>      Subject: 1970 442 Convt. by DANBURY MINT !
>       HI Just got off the phone with Danbury to order the 1970
>      442 W-30 Convt.. They told me it's Rally Red (orange), they
>      didn't know the stripe color but I would think it's white.
>      It comes with a convt. top that you can put on,to show it
>      with top up or down. She also said that the bucket seats
>      fold down,doors open and all that other stuff that these
>      cars have. I asked about the ram air hood but it's so new
>      they didn't have a picture in front of them. She said with
>      shipping it would be $114.80, and would be shipped in about
>      2 weeks. I'll let you all know how correct it is. Oh the
>      phone # for Danbury is 1-800-332-6468.   Remember the guy
>      that said Danbury was taking pictures of his car a few
>      months(or was it years)
>      back.
>      * THANKS
>      *
>      MIKE
>

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:45:32 EDT
From: SrDietW30@aol.com
Subject: 442 Bumpers

	I am at the point in completing my 442 where I need to locate chrome 
bumpers.  I found a couple of places at Carlisle over the weekend and I am 
wondering if anyone has any experience with these Companies,

Bumper Boys,  I have heard a lot of negative things about these guys,  I 
ruled them out.
Rechrome Parts Ltd.,  There located in North Jersey,  don't know anything 
about them
Desert Dog Auto Parts,  found them on 442.com,  advertising bumpers that are 
factory  
                                    quality !  Anyone know what that means ?

Anyone have any other references for getting bumpers that are straight and 
with excellent chrome?

Steve Dietrich
  S/E PA
     71 442 W30 Conv.

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:50:00 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: 1970 442 Convt. by DANBURY MINT !

retrorockets wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> Check under the hood on that model.  Hope it doesn't have power brakes.
> My wife noticed that glitch on another '70 W-30 model, can't remember
> the name of the company that made it.

My Racing Champions '69 W-30 has a dual snorkel air cleaner and the snorkels
point backwards :)  Maybe it sucks air from behind the tires :))
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:06:36 -0400
From: Matt Cremean <creme1ma@cmich.edu>
Subject: Olds Web Heads

I found something pretty cool today. I wondered what that V-3
redirection sevice had to offer, so I went and checked it out. I signed
myself up for a free URL! So instead of:
www.geocities.com/lotsa/lotsa/crap
I now have:
http://drive.to/73cutlass
It's not another one of those free web page places, just a place that
attaches a semi-custom-made URL name to your existing web page. I urge
you all to check into this. I think it'd make remembering Olds URLs TONS
easier. Just go to http://drive.to/ and hook yourself up!

And for those who don't care-
sorry about wasting bandwidth and mailbox space :-)

- -- 
***********
Matt Cremean
mailto:creme1ma@cmich.edu
*************************
http://drive.to/73cutlass
- -----------------------
'73 Olds Cutlass Supreme
'70 Olds Cutlass 'S'
'75 Olds Cutlass 'S'
*************************

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:02:33 -0700
From: "Mike Siedlik" <mjsiedl@megavision.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 442 Convt. by DANBURY MINT !

NOPE !
  NO Power Brakes !


- -----Original Message-----
From: retrorockets <retrorockets@snet.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Monday, April 26, 1999 1:44 PM
Subject: Re: 1970 442 Convt. by DANBURY MINT !


>Mike,
>
>Check under the hood on that model.  Hope it doesn't have power brakes.
>My wife noticed that glitch on another '70 W-30 model, can't remember
>the name of the company that made it.
>
>Dude
>
>Mike Siedlik wrote:
>
>>  HI AGAIN Just got my danbury mint 1970 W-30. VERY-VERY NICE !!  I can
>> already see people buying it and changing colors to match their cars
>> (it would be a hard job,but it would be worth it) It's a 4-speed car
>> and has decals(dr. decal's ?) in the trunk, engine compartment, even
>> on the drivers door jam !    BOY IT"S NICE TO SEE OLDSMOBILE NOT LEFT
>> OUT IN THE MUSCLE CAR RANKS. (DANBURY,FRANKLIN....) p.s. The website
>> mark gave you 'does not' do it
>> justice.
>> MIKE
>>
>>      -----Original Message-----
>>      From: Mike Siedlik <mjsiedl@megavision.com>
>>      To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>      Date: Thursday, April 08, 1999 8:06 AM
>>      Subject: 1970 442 Convt. by DANBURY MINT !
>>       HI Just got off the phone with Danbury to order the 1970
>>      442 W-30 Convt.. They told me it's Rally Red (orange), they
>>      didn't know the stripe color but I would think it's white.
>>      It comes with a convt. top that you can put on,to show it
>>      with top up or down. She also said that the bucket seats
>>      fold down,doors open and all that other stuff that these
>>      cars have. I asked about the ram air hood but it's so new
>>      they didn't have a picture in front of them. She said with
>>      shipping it would be $114.80, and would be shipped in about
>>      2 weeks. I'll let you all know how correct it is. Oh the
>>      phone # for Danbury is 1-800-332-6468.   Remember the guy
>>      that said Danbury was taking pictures of his car a few
>>      months(or was it years)
>>      back.
>>      * THANKS
>>      *
>>      MIKE
>>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:06:47 -0400 (EDT)
From: vfquick442@webtv.net (markas)
Subject: Re: 442 Bumpers

Steve, I was in Bumper Hell for a while.I learned not to buy anything I
did not see first.Take it with you when you buy it, If I had to do it
again, I would get a straight core and have it rechromed somewhere. By
someone that guranteed their work.Be careful and paint the back before
you put it on.
Markas                                                               70
442

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:18:56 -0400
From: retrorockets <retrorockets@snet.net>
Subject: Cranking Compression

To follow up on the comments from Dave Cullen and John Carri:

Compressing air in a cylinder when doing a compression check should
follow the old ideal gas law, PV = nrT, which reared its ugly head a few
weeks ago on this list.
I think what's happening here is that you get a significant temperature
increase in the cylinder during cranking which is hard to account for
accurately.  You're doing work on the system with the starter motor.
Ever notice how hot a bicycle pump gets when you pump on it?  I bet if
one could monitor the temperature in the cylinder and apply that temp
increase to the formula, you could come pretty close to the measured
pressures.

As to how the cam affects the process - I'm not sure how overlap bleeds
off cylinder pressure when cold cranking at low speeds.  I believe
cylinder pressure under those conditions is more influenced by the
intake valve closing after the piston is past bottom dead center.  There
is a good discussion of this in David Vizard's book on cams and valve
trains written about small block Chevies, but certainly applicable.
When the engine is running, cylinder pressure is also strongly affected
by the timing of the intake valve closing.  Of the four valve timing
events, IVO, IVC, EVO, EVC, IVC has the strongest influence on engine
performance.

I know, John, I owe you a private email.

Dude

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:20:23 -0400
From: Lou Cipollone <louc@110.net>
Subject: PAINT COLOR

where in an 1999 Intrigue would I find the color code? I looked in the 
trunk and doors with no luck, the car is crimsom red I think.
I just got my first scratch and I need to buy touch up paint.

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:27:03 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Fan Clutch?

>> Well, here is the temperature dilemma. On my 72 442 455 car
>> I installed a mechanical temp gauge. The thermostat opens at
>> 195*. When the car is driving the temperature drops to 170*.
>> When I pull up to a stop it will heat up to 210* and then the
>> second I begin to accelerate it drops to  170*.
>
> Sorry, I missed the beginning of this thread. What's the problem.
> This sounds like normal operation so far.

Agreed; this sounds normal for any car. Maybe you're not used to 
seeing the normal fluctuations that a mechanical gauge can show 
you...? The coolant moves slower at idle and picks up more heat from 
the block before it emerges. Under acceleration it'll come out a 
little cooler (but at a faster rate).

So long as you don't see an overall buildup continuing over time, or 
in other words, as long as the car doesn't overheat just by driving 
around town long enough, then it doesn't sound like you have a problem 
here. (Amazing what idiot lights don't tell you, eh?  :-)

- -- Andy


_______________________________________________________________
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:28:15 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Mallory Unilite Distributor

> I was wondering if anyone has a Mallory Unilite distributor? I have one on
> my 455 and I believe the trigger light went bad. The reason being it ran
> fine and then started it up today and it sounds funny. The car idles but
> when you accelerate it runs rough. Timing is OK so I believe it is the
> distributor.
>
 I don't actually have the Mallory Distributor, but I've had the Mallory
Unilite conversion in my, otherwise, stock Delco distributor for a
couple months, and, so far, it's rock solid.  (The conversion uses the
same module as the Unilite distributor.) It's fired up and run fine in
the rain, the cold, the heat, etc.  It accelerates well.  Personally,
I'm slightly suspicious of the Mallory distributor itself.  The cap is
noticeably smaller than a Delco distributor cap.  I'd think that would
lend to crossfiring under the cap.

BTW, if the trigger light actually went bad it wouldn't run at all.
However, some of the other internal circuitry could be getting flaky.
Before getting radical I'd do the usual stuff, like clean the cap, look
for carbon tracking, swap the ignition coil and see if that's it, check
connections...yada, yada, yada.  BTW, you kept your stock ballast
resistance when you put the Unilite in the car, right?  Full 12 volts
will eventually kill the module.  Good luck.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
  1971 Cutlass S: 350 Rocket/TH350/Edelbrock OL4B/dual exhaust/
        sometimes Q-Jet, sometimes Holley/Mallory Unilite Conversion.
  1988 Plymouth Voyager 3.0:  Ummm...Let me think of something.

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 17:44:50 -0400
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Speaking of Carlisle...

> 68 Hurst/Olds, on the hill.  Totally trashed, usual rust, correct VIN,
barely
> discernable silver/black paint over which someone had spilled metallic
blue (I
> didn't realize it was an H/O at first).  Car had A/C, tilt, power antenna,
and a
> SOLD sign.

The sold sign was already on it at 10:00 Thursday morning when I saw it.
Curious how much it went for.

You missed a beauty of a 67 Cutlass that was bought fromout of the yard by
gate #7. Saw the lucky new owner pulling away in it as I was leaving. Only
$2850!

Good thing I didn't have the $$$, otherwise I'd probably be living in it
now!!!

Randy

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 14:46 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: small-block head swapping for increased CR

I was reading through a back issue of Hot Rod yesterday, it featured 
an Olds 455 buildup using the Edelbrock RPM heads. In a sidebar on 
using those heads on the small-block Olds 403, they mention that the 
403 came with factory heads with 88cc chambers, and a deeply dished 
piston that gave the engine 8:1 actual CR, though advertised CR was 
8.5:1 (info from Joe Mondello). I did a little calculating using those 
numbers to find the (piston dish + deck height) volume, and if '72 
Olds small-block heads with a 65-cc chamber could be swapped onto a 
stock 403 block with the stock gasket the CR should go up to 9.25:1 
which is a whole lot better than 8:1.  If the stock steel shim gasket 
(I guessed .008" thick) is replaced by a composition gasket (.035" 
thick) during the same head swap, the CR works out to 8.75:1, still 
quite a bit better than 8:1.

Any problems with this? I guess the '72 heads would need the head-bolt 
holes opened up to the 1/2" size, anything else?

One more thing, would 307 heads work on a 403?  Do the 307 heads have 
a chamber smaller than 65 cc? Were the 307 valve sizes or ports too 
small to feed a 403?

- -John Carri 
'72 Supreme (looking for more power with no more weight)
'73 RoadRunner

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 16:03:06 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: small-block head swapping for increased CR

John Carri wrote:
> 
> I was reading through a back issue of Hot Rod yesterday, it featured
> an Olds 455 buildup using the Edelbrock RPM heads. In a sidebar on
> using those heads on the small-block Olds 403, they mention that the
> 403 came with factory heads with 88cc chambers, and a deeply dished
> piston that gave the engine 8:1 actual CR, though advertised CR was
> 8.5:1 (info from Joe Mondello). I did a little calculating using those
> numbers to find the (piston dish + deck height) volume, and if '72
> Olds small-block heads with a 65-cc chamber could be swapped onto a
> stock 403 block with the stock gasket the CR should go up to 9.25:1
> which is a whole lot better than 8:1.  If the stock steel shim gasket
> (I guessed .008" thick) is replaced by a composition gasket (.035"
> thick) during the same head swap, the CR works out to 8.75:1, still
> quite a bit better than 8:1.

I was just wondering why wouldn't you use the steel gaskets and get the extra
compression?  Weren't they stock on engines that ran for 20-30 years with no
gasket problems?

I hope it's not too dumb a question.
- -- 

Cliff "probably has composite gaskets" Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:03:37 -0400 (EDT)
From: "C. Casteel" <earthsci@POP.usit.net>
Subject: Re: 442 Bumpers

I've done business with Desert Dog Auto Parts and was very pleased. Had new
bumpers (front & back) within a week of shipping my old ones to him. $500 or
so. 



>Desert Dog Auto Parts,  found them on 442.com,  advertising bumpers that are 
>factory  
>                                    quality !  Anyone know what that means ?
>

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:33:57 -0400
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 442 Bumpers

> Bumper Boys,  I have heard a lot of negative things about these guys,  I
> ruled them out.

Don't bother.

> Rechrome Parts Ltd.,  There located in North Jersey,  don't know anything
> about them

I talked to them last year at Carlisle and they told me they gaurantee show
quality with a lifetime warranty. Quoted $325 per bumper

> Desert Dog Auto Parts,  found them on 442.com,  advertising bumpers that
are factory quality !  Anyone know what that means ?

I spoke to a local guy last week and he bought bumpers from Desert Dog for
his 70 Pace Car. Said he was real happy and would use them again. They
weren't show quality (a couple minor imperfections), but then again he
didn't pay $400 plus a bumper and he doesn't have a show car either. Sounded
like it'll be a #2 car when he's finished the resto.

Randy

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:41:25 EDT
From: QWKCUTLASS@aol.com
Subject: Re: '72 A-body front end bushing question

 

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:49:54 EDT
From: RICH6986@aol.com
Subject: car shows?

Does any one know if there will be any Olds shows near atlanta the week of 
may 17 if have to go there for work for a week.  If anyone knows of any let 
me know 
										
TIA
										
	Rich

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:15:06 -0500
From: "Stephan" <zappa@goodthing.net>
Subject: RE: boneyard score

Forgive my lack of knowledge here... but what is a hydroboost?

Stephan
70 GoldOlds

- -----Original Message-----
From:	oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Rebel1
Sent:	Sunday, April 25, 1999 8:15 PM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:	Re: boneyard score



Ed Binnix wrote:

> Got a hydroboost unit at a junkyard for $25, and THEY PULLED IT. Time to .
.
> . . BUMP UP THE DURATION!  Rumpata-rumpata-rumpata-tada-tada-tada-rumpata
> rumpata . . . .
> "Wow, I got it to idle below 1100 RPM's!" Ugh, Ugh, more powerrrrr.

Dang!  I couldn't get one that cheap when I still owned my diesel!  Cool
score!
(nice idle too!)Todd Daenzer
'69 rag top - 310hp tied to a Jetaway and 2.73's :-(

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:21:43 -0500
From: "Glen Hankins" <hankins5@hit.net>
Subject: Re: small-block head swapping for increased CR

Cliff-

I don't think the 403 ever used a shim gasket.  I tried to get one for mine
to up the compression a little more, and I couldn't find one that would fit
the monster bore.

GBH
>
>I was just wondering why wouldn't you use the steel gaskets and get the
extra
>compression?  Weren't they stock on engines that ran for 20-30 years with
no
>gasket problems?
>

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 18:23:03 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: 72 Supreme SX?????

Hi all.
Ran across a car today that has me wondering.  The guy
selling the car has it listed on the for sale sign as a 72 
Supreme SX.  The VIN is 342571R134082 which to me
says that it's a 71 Supreme built in Arlington, TX.  My
question is how do you determine it is a true SX?  It was
raining so I didn't write down the numbers off of the cowl
tag but here is what I noticed.  

BB w/cast iron intake and "C" heads.  Block numbers do
not match the VIN.  Quadrajet, the remains of a dual 
snorkel air cleaner, and an HEI.  A/C, P/S, P/W, bench
seat with armrest, code "OD" TH400, and P/B.  

That's all I really noticed since I was already late for work.
The guy wants $3500 for it but it has rust bubbling through
the paint (looks relatively new) in a few places and the 
vinyl roof has a few bad spots in it that might have rust 
underneath.  The floors looked solid from what I could see.
It had the SX badges on the rear quarters (I think that's where
they were) and the 72 tail light lenses.  

If this is (for the sake of argument) a real SX then how much
would it be worth?  It looks pretty good overall.  And how do 
you tell if it is an SX?  TIA

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:40:11 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: cowl taginfo lansing car!!

Randy Hermsen wrote:
> 
> Karl- tag is st7234267lan481653bdy
> tr97053bpnt
> what name is the paint ????

Well, since Karl has fallen down on the job, I'll answer for him...

st72 - 1972
3 - Oldsmobile
42 - Cutlass Supreme
67 - Convertible
lan - Lansing Fisher Body plant
481653bdy - Fisher Body build sequence number

tr970 - interior trim code for black vinyl.  Assembly manual shows 970
for buckets and bench, so I can't decode which you have.  Bench seat
cars have an A65 code on the tag also.

53 - Saturn Gold
b - black convertible top

> I had two people tell me that its not a lansing car
> come on are we lookin at the same vin site....vin-3j67k2m227034
> the 7th one is m is that not lansing??

It's a Lansing car.  Period.


> can I hook up a battery too the conv. top motor to
> get the top down and dry out the car for the summer while I patch it or buy a
> new top??or can I just manually push the hood back the pistons do seem to 
have
> resistance so i didnt want to force it??

Don't know about the electrical end, you may have wire trouble if the
fire reached the underside of the dash.  I had a leak in my system a few
years ago and I unbolted the top from the pistons and went the manual
route for a little while until I could make a repair.  I think I could
put the top down myself, but I know it took to people to raise it.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:45:27 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 72 rims trailer pkge??

Randy Hermsen wrote:
> 
> did any 72 cutlass supreme conv.
> come with trans cooler added too in frt. of rad?? I connected the lines back
> too the rad like I think it should be stock??

The '72 Olds SPECS book lists trailer towing equipment.  Shows a dealer
installed heavy duty transmission cooler as available,  but gives no
specific information.

> also did all 72 s come with 14
> inch rims with those screw on caps??

I believe so.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:07:21 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: boneyard score

>Forgive my lack of knowledge here... but what is a hydroboost?
>
>Stephan
>70 GoldOlds


On diesel cars you have no vacuum.  So to have power brakes
the factory used a hydraulic power assist for the brakes.  This
is run off of the P/S pump.  The lines run from the pump to the 
hydraboost, to the steering box, and back to the pump.  This
will let you run a very radical cam and still keep your power
brakes at a small addition to weight.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 19:08:45 -0500
From: Brian D Savoy <ninetyeight1973@juno.com>
Subject: Quartz Clock Conversion

I would like to convert the clock in my '73 NinetyEight to a quartz
movement.  I would like to do this myself but, I can't get the "kit"
through J.C. Whitney any longer.  Does anyone know how and where I can
order the kit without spending $60 to have it done?

Thanks,
	Brian in Kansas City

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:06:55 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Only 1973 Toronado known to exist!

You'd better hurry, only 3 hours and 35 minutes to bid!  It's on
you-know-where...

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=93535031

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:11:32 EDT
From: WJone65300@aol.com
Subject: Introduction

Hi all. I've been lurking for a few months and thought I'd introduce myself 
to the list. I'm Will Jones, 46, and have owned a '56 88, '57 S88 j-2, and a 
'64 Starfire Coupe. I've just purchased a '67 98 LS. It shows 76K on the 
clock, but I assume its been around once already, although the engine runs 
very smoothly and only blows a puff of smoke on startup, which I attribute to 
some leaky valve seals. I have a few questions for anyone kind enough to help 
out a new guy. What engine was used in the '67 98? Is it a 425 or a 455? Are 
waterpumps, fuel pumps and the like readily available? How about shocks and 
coil springs? The suspension is a little bouncy. Would anyone on the list 
have a towhitch or know who might supply this item for a 32 year old Olds, or 
will I have to fabricate one? How much might I expect to have to pay to have 
the vinyl roof redone? Has anyone compiled a list of boneyards that supply 
vintage Olds parts? Well, I guess thats more than enough questions for now. 
Thanks, its sure nice to have an Olds again and a braintrust for assistance 
in getting it back to good condition.                                         
                                                                    Will 
Jones                                                                         
                                   '67 98 LS                                  
                                                                              
WJone65300@aol.com

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:25:15 -0400
From: "Robin Pajak" <robinp@us.hsanet.net>
Subject: Oldsmobile Frown

Joe Padavano wrote:

That would be the standard Oldsmobile tow truck damage.  Every Olds of that
vintage that's ever been towed will have the bottom of the bumper bent like
that.  The factory service manual shows in detail the correct configuration
for towing these cars, including the use of a piece of wood between the tow
truck strap and the bumper brackets to prevent just this damage.  Oh well...


**********
A long time ago we coined a term for the tow-damaged bumpers....we say the
car has the "Oldsmobile Frown" !!!!

John Pajak
http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 1999 20:32:25 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Only 1973 Toronado known to exist!

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> 
> You'd better hurry, only 3 hours and 35 minutes to bid!  It's on
> you-know-where...
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=93535031

My little ol' car book says that there were only 55,920 OTHER Toros
built that  year.  That is an awful rate of attrition it would seem.  
And the 455 was the stock engine.  Or maybe I'm missing something
here.........

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