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oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, April 15 1999      Volume 01 : Number 1907



Re:Alternator Question
Re: Engine noise, stalling - fuel pump?
Re: updating your olds anyone put 17's on 70-72 yet???
Re: 71 Cutlass Supreme Question
Re: new Edelbrock heads
Re: Charlotte Show
Re: new heads
Re: [Re: 42 Dragway!]
Re: Mounting pads
Steel Rim Torque
[Fwd: Compression Ring] (fwd)
Re: Compression Ring
Re: points to HEI, how?
m21 or m20
Re: m21 or m20
unsubscribe oldsmobile
Re: updating your olds anyone put 17's on 70-72 yet???
Success - stuck door problem
Re: updating your olds anyone put 17's on 70-72 yet???
Re: door still stuck - 72 Cutlass
Re: points to HEI, how?
RE: Gauge Package (Voltmeter)
Re: m21 or m20
Re: Mounting pads
spring resource: Eaton Detriot Springs
question of value: 78 Cutlass
Re: G-tech
Re: m21 or m20
Re: m21 or m20
National Auto Lines
Re: "Back off man, I'm a scientist!" was: is 425 a good motor?
Flex Plate Question's????
Re: question of value: 78 Cutlass
66 Automatic Console Comparison
sport steering wheel button
Air Shocks
Re: [Re: [Re: LOL350 man gets educated425style]]
Re: Air Shocks
Re: [Re: [Re: LOL350 man gets educated425style]]
anyone put a new style master cyl
(NON OLDS) Re: Attn B Sanders
Re: anyone put a new style master cyl
Carb Identification
Re: m21 or m20
OPPS Here's the #'s 7044558
3 things go wrong for every 1 fixed...
Chalky Plastic on back side of front seats... what to do?
Re: Chalky Plastic on back side of front seats... what to do?
Mondello's Restricted Cam Bearings...
Re: Chalky Plastic on back side of front seats... what to do?
Re: Mondello's Restricted Cam Bearings...
manifolds
Re: Starfire V8 (Jetfire!)
RE: 215 Turbo charged
Re: Mondello's Restricted Cam Bearings...
buyer
Re: Mondello's Restricted Cam Bearings...
403 -307
Re: Mondello's Restricted Cam Bearings...
small block Ford roller rockers, was Mondello's Rst'd Cam Br'ngs...
I'm back.....
Fwd: 83 Cutlass For Sale
Oldsmobile Production Numbers
Re: 83 Cutlass For Sale
Re: HEY ...G-BODY GUYS  !!
Missing
oil restricters
Re: updating your olds anyone put 17's on 70-72 yet???
Re: updating your olds anyone put 17's on 70-72 yet???
Re: Flex Plate Question's????
Re: Mondello's Restricted Cam Bearings...
Re: 72 olds cutlass 4door
Re: anyone put a new style master cyl
Re: I'm back.....
Aprils Parts listings

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:47:13 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re:Alternator Question

On my 83 Hurst Olds...where the connection goes in the alternator with the 
red wire and the brown wire....the alternator has a #1 with and R next to it 
and a #2...what wire goes to what connection on the alternator?
Hot Rod Harry

to be more clear , its the clip connection with the 2 wires...

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:48:08 EDT
From: QWKCUTLASS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Engine noise, stalling - fuel pump?

I have a 74 350, and i have never heard my fuel pump making any noises    and 
it has 100,000 miles on it, if you ran the engine without  accesories, and it 
was still there i would look at the header gaskets if you have them.

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:52:09 EDT
From: QWKCUTLASS@aol.com
Subject: Re: updating your olds anyone put 17's on 70-72 yet???

i have a 74 cutlass and i had 17" budnicks on it, 8s in front 9s in back.  
the wheelbase on our cars should be similiar, so i think 8 is about the 
biggest you can go in the front without rubbing, with a 4" backspace.  you 
can fit up to a 10" on the rear, with a 4.5" to 5" backspace.

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:54:20 EDT
From: QWKCUTLASS@aol.com
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass Supreme Question

 

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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:58:50 EDT
From: QWKCUTLASS@aol.com
Subject: Re: new Edelbrock heads

I have a set on backorder, nobody has them yet, its been about 2 or 3 months 
now.  I talked to a tech at Mondello and he said to expect a 60 to 70 hp 
gain, and you need an installation kit and special sized spark plugs.  I'm 
not too sure i believe him about the kit and plugs, so i'm looking into it.  
i heard they could use a nice porting job to get serious hp from them.

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:02:22 -0400
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: Charlotte Show

Ray

        Why didn't you stop in. If you did I don't remember you. We were right
up near the AACA tent. I saw quite a few guys from the list. Jim Michael of
Classic Olds and us had lots of good stuff there. We were the only 2 Olds
vendors that had lots of parts. We did not see a whole lot inside. We were both
in the Green field.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts

At 05:07 PM 4/14/1999 , you wrote:
>Just got back from Charlotte for the show down there.  Drove a 79 Scout
>down, not a good road trip vehicle.  Dragged a shock through Virginia...
>
>Pretty damn good show.  Not very many Oldses, but some real nice ones.
>Favorite was a tri-carb 400 67 442.  Swap meet was decent sized, but nothing
>good found.  Got 35 packs of cigarettes for $46 in Virginia.
>
>So, like, I've been wondering for a while, how is it that I often see older
>442's with three speed auto's?  What's the deal with that?  I even saw a two
>speed one down south.  Have I been wrong all along as to what 442 stands
>for?
>
>Ray Costanzo
>87 409 Cutlass
>84 3.8 Calais
>Bucks County, PA
>mailto:costanzo@netcarrier.com
>http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:01:12 EDT
From: QWKCUTLASS@aol.com
Subject: Re: new heads

if you're putting them on a 455, try a port matched torker, with hooker 2in. 
primary headers, it makes more power than your setup

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Date: 14 Apr 99 21:10:59 PDT
From: Randy Hermsen <76Cutlass@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Re: 42 Dragway!]

Four42much@aol.com wrote:
I had an all original 67 cutlass 330 2barrel , jetaway tran , dual exhaust, 
2.78 gears with L60 15s ,which probably made the gearing 2.30 somethings and 
the car turned a 15.92...so yes your car should do alot better, I know you 
can do it..
Hot Rod Harry <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/">HOT ROD HARRY'S 
OLDSMOBILES
</A> 
sorry hot rod dynamic 88 peeked through the glass this mornin no third arm on
colume just turn signal and shift. does this 65 425 come with the jetway trans
also how should it all fit in my 76 cutlass 
                                  randy
                                     76 cutlass
                                        really itchin to install w-z ex. mans.


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Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1999 23:51:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: blue442@webtv.net (Jeff Carter)
Subject: Re: Mounting pads

Hi Jim,
You can use 350 pads and mounts on a 455, or 455 pads and mounts on a
350.  Just can't mix the two.

Jeff Carter
blue442@webtv.net

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 00:44:05 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Steel Rim Torque

Anyone know what the torque specifications for 72 442 with steel rims? I
believe it was 80 ft lbs.
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:39:24 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: [Fwd: Compression Ring] (fwd)

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Not on the list, respond to gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@mail.execpc.com>
Subject: Compression Ring

Howdy Yawl!

Well, I made it back from the Big Easy in one piece, albeit a smaller
piece, I'm partied out, rested, and ready to go Toroing again! 

As most of you know, I have a bad compression ring the #7 bucket of the
'66 Toro Flamer. I will paint a brief picture for the new folks on the
list as this happened last fall. Although this is old news to most, I'd
like feedback from the new guys, especially Bruce Roe who seems to know
his beans. 

Anyway, it's time to pull her out of winter slumber. I blew a head gasket
and subsequently ended up doing a complete valve job, see
http://www.toronado.org/valve.htm etc etc only to find out I still only
have 70 lbs of compression on the #7 cylinder. 

Conventional wisdom at the time was that I hydro-locked the compression
rings due to the influx of coolant into the cylinder (water cannot be
compressed). After a little research, when I put it away for the winter, I
put a quart if Rislone in the offending cylinder through the spark plug
hole to hopefully let it work over the winter months to lubricate the
rings free, or at least get them freed up enough upon first spring start
up.

Since I may go up to the shop and attempt this anyday soon, I'd like some
opinions for a second approach if it didn't take. 

Assuming hydro-lock and assuming it can be dealt with from the top, I'd
like to know what other solvent/lubricant I can throw/pour down the bucket
through the spark plug hole to free up the damned rings if at all? 

Of course, you can see, I'm trying to avoid the obvious! I don't have the
time or the prowess to do what really needs to be done at this time. 

All suggestions welcomed.

I'm NOT on the Olds list, so you guys/gals there, please reply to me privately.

Thanks a ton! (actually about 2 1/2 tons worth) (:  

Sparky
- -- 
Greg "Sparky" Kalkhoff
Toronado Chapter Webmaster
Toronado FAQ Page Administrator
http://www.Toronado.org
See the Sparkmobile at: http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html



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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:14:14 -0400
From: "Gregg and Mary Ludlam" <gmrocket@southport.net>
Subject: Re: Compression Ring

>All suggestions welcomed.

Go turn the thing over and see what happens!  The very worst that could
happen is that it doesn't work, at which point you yank those heads off,
swap the block with one out of any number of other Toros you have sitting up
at the shop, hit the key and go!  See, another opportunity for a
Sparkmeister Photo Essay on the FAQ!

Gregg and Mary Ludlam - Long Beach, NC
'67 Toronado Deluxe/'72 Cutlass S
See the Toro at http://www.442.com/ludlam.html
or at http://www.toronado.org/gregg.htm

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:25:44 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: points to HEI, how?

>The Hi Comp 425 I am pulling out of a 66 Delta 88 for my 72 Supreme is a
>points system, obviously :-) Whats involved in converting this to HEI? Any
>particular year and make of HEI unit would be better? I imagine it has to
be
>fairly wasy as I hear alot of people do it, but I never paid attention to
>how it was done.  Thanks
>
>Jason Labay
>

Don't remember the years off the top of my head, but any pre computer
HEI will work.  You'll need to change the plugs and wires at the same
time and open up your plug gap to .060 to take advantage of the HEI.
Take the coil wire that runs back to the fuse panel and switch it over
to a 12 to 14 gauge wire.  The original coil wire is a resistor wire and
you need full voltage going into the "Batt" terminal on the HEI.  I simply
took the spade out of the fuse panel connector underhood and
crimped/soldered the heavier gauge wire to the original connector.
That's pretty much it.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:34:24 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: m21 or m20

This one is for the shifty people on the list..........


            Can one tell the difference between Muncie
4 speeds w/o pulling the cover and counting teeth ?????


Tanks
The General    :o{)}       

P.S.       please think of our uniformed personnel
in your prayers ...............

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:43:03 -0400
From: Mark Cornea <mcornea@ford.com>
Subject: Re: m21 or m20

Patton wrote:
> 
> This one is for the shifty people on the list..........
> 
>             Can one tell the difference between Muncie
> 4 speeds w/o pulling the cover and counting teeth ?????
> 
> Tanks
> The General    :o{)}
> 
> P.S.       please think of our uniformed personnel
> in your prayers ...............


	I know it's the number of rings on the input shaft, but can't recall 
which was which. Maybe Joe P. remembers?
 
         ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
               Mark Cornea (Dr. Decal)  OCA# 4903
                             1970 W30 (red)

                      mailto:drdecal@wwnet.net

                    Visit http://www.drdecal.com
        ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:04:22 EDT
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: unsubscribe oldsmobile

Unsubscribe Oldsmobile

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:55:14 -0500
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: updating your olds anyone put 17's on 70-72 yet???

- -----Original Message-----
From: QWKCUTLASS@aol.com <QWKCUTLASS@aol.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: updating your olds anyone put 17's on 70-72 yet???


>i have a 74 cutlass and i had 17" budnicks on it, 8s in front 9s in back.
>the wheelbase on our cars should be similiar, so i think 8 is about the
>biggest you can go in the front without rubbing, with a 4" backspace.  you
>can fit up to a 10" on the rear, with a 4.5" to 5" backspace.

"had"??? Why did you remove them?  How was the ride, cornering, etc.  would
you recommend 17's for a musclecar set up for handling?

- -greg

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 07:57:39 -0500
From: "Darrin Johnson" <xdarrinj@ti.com>
Subject: Success - stuck door problem

Thanks for all of the suggestions regarding my stuck door.  I finally got
the lock to release completely last night by using some of your
suggestions - lots of lubrication and some prying on various parts.

Darrin
xdarrinj@ti.com
djohnsn@ibm.net

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:06:40 -0700
From: joe lewis <lewis@amada.net>
Subject: Re: updating your olds anyone put 17's on 70-72 yet???

What size tires did you run? I have the 87 corvette rims on my 74 w/ 255/60/16
in the rear. I used the bolt on spacers from vette brakes.Thanks for the info

QWKCUTLASS@aol.com wrote:

> i have a 74 cutlass and i had 17" budnicks on it, 8s in front 9s in back.
> the wheelbase on our cars should be similiar, so i think 8 is about the
> biggest you can go in the front without rubbing, with a 4" backspace.  you
> can fit up to a 10" on the rear, with a 4.5" to 5" backspace.

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 06:08:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: door still stuck - 72 Cutlass

Sorry if this is not much help, but I know that if I
were in this situation, I could use a little cheering
up. "IF" you still can't get the door open after
everything the list has suggested, just weld the door
shut and go in and out through the window like the
Dukes always did. :-) You could even putty up the door
handle and the lock holes. :-)

- --- Dan <dsm137@gti.net> wrote:
> not always depends on the door and the fit.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 4:56 PM
> Subject: Re: door still stuck - 72 Cutlass
> 
> 
> > Probably a little tough removing the door panel
> with the door locked shut.
> > I would think.
> >
> > Omega Man
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > At 04:52 PM 4/14/99 -0400, you wrote:
> > >If it were I, I would remove the inside door
> panel and disconnect the
> whole
> > >thing. also try to push the armature up with a
> screw driver from the
> inside.
> > >I wouldn't really worry about breaking the door
> locking mechanism because
> it
> > >already appears to be broken and to be replaced
> once you get it removed.
> I
> > >would get in there and push and prod, but just be
> careful not to bend any
> of
> > >the rods in the door and disconnect the rods
> going to the key and push
> locks
> > >as not to break them. if it doesn't come loose
> try a drill or something
> to
> > >remove it completely.
> > >Dan.
> > >----- Original Message -----
> > >From: Darrin Johnson <xdarrinj@ti.com>
> > >To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > >Sent: Wednesday, April 14, 1999 9:27 AM
> > >Subject: door still stuck - 72 Cutlass
> > >
> > >
> > >> I have tried the suggestions from the list to
> get my door open with no
> > >luck.
> > >> I have pushed, pried, lubricated, etc.
> everything that I can reach
> related
> > >> to the latch/lock mechanism with no change.  It
> really feels like the
> lock
> > >> mechanism will not completely disengage no
> matter how hard that I pry
> on
> > >it
> > >> (I am afraid of bending or breaking something).
>  Any additional
> > >suggestions
> > >> would be greatly appreciated.
> > >>
> > >> Darrin Johnson
> > >> xdarrinj@ti.com
> > >> djohnsn@ibm.net
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 

===
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rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:10:56 EDT
From: Oldsfire@aol.com
Subject: Re: points to HEI, how?

Jason, as far as I know all Olds HEI dist. are virtually the same.  Just make 
saure that the one you are gonna put in is not worn out and that it does work 
good.  Also, you might check on spark plugs, the HEI system may use a hotter 
one.  Also check on plug wires, I think the HEI would use like maybe 8.8mm 
wires!!   John     Oldsfire@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 08:41:17 -0500
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: Gauge Package (Voltmeter)

My 97 T100 does the same thing.  The dealer checked it out and said it's
just that way.  I guess between the tolerance stackups of all the
components my particular vehicle reads on the low side....probably an
acceptable range of error.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Brian Shankle [SMTP:cshankle@home.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, April 13, 1999 5:46 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: Gauge Package (Voltmeter)
> 
> Mine never reads above 13--Never.  I would guess that there is a
> possibility of it being off a little, but no more than a volt or so.
> It
> is strange that it reads around 10 with the engine off, as mine reads
> even lower.  Never seemed to affect the battery by keeping it there
> for
> a while, so I just drive it.  You may try cleaning the contacts in the
> back of the gauge, and maybe even soldering them.  It's a pretty easy
> job if you don't mind ripping your dash apart.
> Brian
> 
> jhurd wrote:
> > 
> >         I have a 1987 Olds Cutlass Salon and the Volt gauge always
> reads low
> > (around 10 volts with key on, engine off, and around 12 volts witht
> the car
> > running).  The battery was load tested and checked out ok.  I just
> replaced
> > the alternator (because of a bad rectifier) but the gauge still
> reads low.
> > Is this common for these gauges to be inaccurate, or could I have a
> problem
> > somewhere else?  TIA
> > 
> > Jim H.
> > '87 Salon

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:49:23 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: m21 or m20

I know it's the number of rings on the input shaft, but can't recall
which was which. Maybe Joe P. remembers?....
_______

Oh sure, put the pressure on...

Well, I _always_ get this backwards, but I _think_ it's:

no rings - M22
one ring - M21
two rings - M20.

Of course, you could always just put it in first and count the ratio of input
shaft turns to output shaft turns.  M20 is 2.52-ish first gear, M21/22 is 2.20
first gear.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:51:08 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Mounting pads

I am in desperate need of a set of mounting pads that bolt to the frame that
the motor mounts sit on, to fit a 72 Cutlass with a 455. It had a 350 in it
and the old pads don't work...
_______

Just keep your old frame pads and use the rubber mounts for the 350.  The 455
will drop right in.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:53:25 -0400
From: Doug Ahern <doug@mail.RATH.PeachNet.EDU>
Subject: spring resource: Eaton Detriot Springs

a year or so about I was hunting down spring manufacturers. there
was a company called Eaton Detriot (I think) that made a set of 
heavy duty rear springs.  At the time, I determined they built a
spirnig that had a higher spring rate than any of the other offerings
Moog, ESPO... but it was a premium price.  I opted to wait, but
now I've lost my notes!  

looking for the ph# for Eaton Detriot Springs, or Detriot Springs..

thanks,
Doug Ahern
64 Cutlass

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:10:05 -0400
From: Doug Ahern <doug@mail.RATH.PeachNet.EDU>
Subject: question of value: 78 Cutlass

a friend owns the following:

78 Cutlass, white. black interior. v6.  70k miles, like new. interior is
near perfect. rust free.  paint is original with original pin stripe. 
A/C.  the head gasket let go, so valve seals were replaced while the head
was off.  100% original except battery.  original spare is unused.

what would be a fair, reasonable price to ask for this car?  he is thinking
of selling it.

Doug Ahern

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:05:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: G-tech

you can also find them on a certain auction site... too expensive though, 
as usual... George

- --------------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://estimator.camd.lsu.edu/georg/sparetime/olds.html
- --------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 14 Apr 1999 DrkSole96@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 4/14/99 6:41:51 AM Central Daylight Time, 
> ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:
> 
> << I think I saw Horsepower TV peddling those. If I may ask, How much did it
>  cost and where can you get one? 
>  
>  Omega Man
>  '74 Omega S 455
>   >>
> $124 plus shipping from JC Whitney. 
> 
> Donovan Moser
> 73 Cutlass Supreme
> drksole96@aol.com
> 

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:16:09 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <pbrill1@uic.edu>
Subject: Re: m21 or m20

Joe,

Other way around on the M21 and m20(got two wides and one close lying around):
	One ring-m20(wide ratio)
	two rings-m21(close ratio)

  Do a web search.  There is a page that identifies all Muncie makes for
the entire run of the trans.  Includes code dates, rebuild kits,
comparisons to the Borg Warner, ect..

  Try www.askjeeves.com and enter "Muncie".

Paul Brillhart
>
>no rings - M22
>one ring - M21
>two rings - M20.
>
>Of course, you could always just put it in first and count the ratio of input
>shaft turns to output shaft turns.  M20 is 2.52-ish first gear, M21/22 is
2.20
>first gear.
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>69 442
>70 W-30
> 

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:43:25 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: m21 or m20

Joe,

Other way around on the M21 and m20...
______

I _told_ ya I always got it backwards...

onavadaP eoJ
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:54:56 -0500
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: National Auto Lines

Just received and perused my National Auto Lines Catalog. My suggestion,
get one! You will be surprised by the variety of parts they handle and
their prices. For example, buy your Cosmoline and plastic protective
caps from NAL instead of Eastwood. Save big money!

The catalog is free, they seem to know their parts, and will talk to you
about part usage, etc., even if you are not ordering that day. A little
different than Summit . . .

800-428-4300, or http://www.natauto.com/nal.htm. Web site is old, but
their contact info is there.

- --
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      www.ameritech.net/users/dlbrown/oldsfaq.htm
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Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
           ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 10:36:06 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Re: "Back off man, I'm a scientist!" was: is 425 a good motor?

Had to get in here, bad back and all, Try a latex nipple, keeps out  of the
water and helps to prevent any "Freudian missing mother syndromes" from
appearing later in life. Plus it's quite a buzz.
Lou
- ----------
> From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@CWIX.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: "Back off man, I'm a scientist!" was: is 425 a good motor?

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:51:21 EDT
From: Sxolds455@aol.com
Subject: Flex Plate Question's????

First off Let me say Hello to all list member's, the question I have is as 
follows: Has any one run a racing flex plate on the street, and if so have 
you encountered any problems with it, such as bearing failure or vibration's, 
Just curios, I bought one and was wondering if there is any potential 
problems I should be aware of!! Hoping to my 70 SX on the road this summer 
for cruising and racing!!!!  

Michael (1970 Cutlass Supreme SX)

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:55:20 EDT
From: OldsRokkit@aol.com
Subject: Re: question of value: 78 Cutlass

In a message dated 4/15/99, 11:11:19 AM, oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca writes:

<<78 Cutlass, white. black interior. v6.  70k miles, like new. interior is
near perfect. rust free.  paint is original with original pin stripe. 
A/C.  the head gasket let go, so valve seals were replaced while the head
was off.  100% original except battery.  original spare is unused.

what would be a fair, reasonable price to ask for this car?  he is thinking
of selling it.
>>

Anywhere near Kansas?  Drew still needs something reliable to drive this 
summer.


- -Drew in Windy Western Kansas-

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:31:52 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: 66 Automatic Console Comparison

I did a little research last night in my Chassis Service Manual and my 1967
Part & Accessories catalog. 

I learned that the consoles for the Starfire/88/98 (not that there ever was
a console 98...) are different from those
used in the Cutlass/442. This may seem obvious, but I just wanted to put it
out there as conclusive. The preceding is clear for 65-66, but they may be
different going back further as well.

If anybody wants jpegs comparing the two for further evidence or for fun,
please email me privately. I'll retain the jpegs for a few days from today.

cf

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:31:50 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Douglas J Harkema" <harkema2@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: sport steering wheel button

I know I have asked this before, but can someone on this list tell me where I
can find a black sport steering wheel horn button.  I have a nice wheel and
need to get it on my car this spring.

Thanx
Doug
70 CS Conv't
Holt, MI

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 09:58:39 -0700
From: "noelle r murphy" <MURPH2@prodigy.net>
Subject: Air Shocks

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:54:53 EDT
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: LOL350 man gets educated425style]]

In a message dated 99-04-14 23:51:03 EDT, you write:

<< Anyone on the list know how 425will fit in 76 cutlass.yes Ive
 become seriously oldsmoholic,some of you say keep original motor with car 
.425
 sounds better then my r block! >>

Actually, Karl knows a yarde that has a 1976 "4 4 2" car with motor.
Or mebbe 1977.

In Peoria IL.

Karl prefers to build his own.

Think a 425 (same size as 455, but MAY have larger accessory brackets) should 
drop into a 1976 car (with 455 mounts!) as 455 should have avail for Cutlaii.

SOM

&KA

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:30:17 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Air Shocks

...I would like to know if there is a formula for determining the right amount
of air to put in the shocks as to the amount of weight on the rear end....
_______

I'm not aware of a "formula".  Most people (myself included) simply add air
until the ride height looks correct.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:36:05 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: [Re: [Re: LOL350 man gets educated425style]]

Think a 425 (same size as 455, but MAY have larger accessory brackets) should
drop into a 1976 car (with 455 mounts!) as 455 should have avail for 
Cutlaii....
_______

Yep.  Need the exhaust manifolds for a  76 big block application.  Note that 
the
accessory brackets are different between 67-earlier and 68-later, so Karl is
correct in noting the need to use the brackets for the 76.  Similarly, the 
water
pump for the 76 that goes with the application (A/C or non-A/C) of the pulleys
is also required.  Also, Toro brackets are different from those of RWD
applications and will thus vary.  FYI, the HEI from the 76 will also drop onto
the 425.

Depending on the emissions laws where you live, this swap may also require you
to retrofit the intake with EGR and the catylitic converter for a 76 455
application.  If you do this and call it a 455, the emissions inspectors will
almost certainly not know enough to be able to tell the difference.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:43:27 -0700
From: joe lewis <lewis@amada.net>
Subject: anyone put a new style master cyl

> has anyone put a new style master cylinder on there 70's cutlass. Im looking
> to put the plastic and aluminum style with a 1'' bore on my 72 cutlass.
> Curious to know what year car you got it from.

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 99 13:47 EDT
From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Subject: (NON OLDS) Re: Attn B Sanders

> Hey B. Sanders,
>  Give me your address so I can send you the 5 bucks for the HHO poster,
> Bernie
>
> Thanks Again !!

Sorry, couldn't resist!!

B. Sanders ... doesn't he play running back for the Lions??  :)

With an average B. Sanders year, he'll pass "Sweetness" (W. Payton)
for the all-time NFL rushing record late this fall.

An Unashamed Detroit Lions Fan

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:54:08 -0700
From: joe lewis <lewis@amada.net>
Subject: Re: anyone put a new style master cyl

PS i already asked Master Power Brakes, Hotchkis.They couldnt help. Is there
another difference besides the bore sizes?

joe lewis wrote:

> > has anyone put a new style master cylinder on there 70's cutlass. Im 
looking
> > to put the plastic and aluminum style with a 1'' bore on my 72 cutlass.
> > Curious to know what year car you got it from.

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:02:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R.Strachan" <creature48212@yahoo.com>
Subject: Carb Identification

Hello All, I have a Quadrajet that i would like
to know what model and year it's from 
 
         TIA 
         Rick Detroit MI. 
         69 Cutlass 'S'

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:01:39 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: m21 or m20

In a message dated 4/15/99 4:36:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
patton@ComCAT.COM writes:

<< This one is for the shifty people on the list..........
 
 
             Can one tell the difference between Muncie
 4 speeds w/o pulling the cover and counting teeth ?????
 
 
 Tanks
 The General    :o{)}        >>

	I'm a little late on this one I see, but it depends on the 
years..earlier Muncies used different ring counts than later ones. Believe 
the change was in '67...got an article laying around somewhere that has the 
info if anyone really wants it. They also mention that it is easy, and was 
common for people to switch the input shafts when they broke, so it's 
obviously not guaranteed that the ring count is correct in ID'ing the 
internals.  Dorian

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:10:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R.Strachan" <creature48212@yahoo.com>
Subject: OPPS Here's the #'s 7044558

Sorry about forgeting the no's. 
  7044558 

     Thanks Again
     Rick
     69 Cutlass 'S'
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:19 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: 3 things go wrong for every 1 fixed...

Mike Bloomer said:
>Seems like everytime I fix one thing 3 other things quit but if I 
>leave everything alone it goes forever.  Maybe it's just me.

Wow, I thought I was the only one this happened to. Except at tax 
time, just after I find that I owe Uncle Sam bigtime and money is 
really tight, then 4 things go wrong for every one I fix!

- -John Carri
'72 Supreme
'73 RoadRunner

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:31:16 -0700
From: BOYD DONALD R <drboyd@srpnet.com>
Subject: Chalky Plastic on back side of front seats... what to do?

1976 Cutlass with bucket seats.  The plastic shell on the back of the front
seats (where the rear seat passengers would hit their knees) is chalky and
kind of disintegrating.  Just scrapes off with your fingernails.

Seems like there out to be some kind of coating I could put on the backs to
restore them - (I'm sure new ones would be like hen's teeth to find.)
Something like paint, only thicker and stronger.

Any ideas?


Don B.

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 11:43:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R.Strachan" <creature48212@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Chalky Plastic on back side of front seats... what to do?

I'd like to know if anybody sells new seat backs (or
whatever their called)for a Cutlass?   
- --- BOYD DONALD R <drboyd@srpnet.com> wrote:
> 1976 Cutlass with bucket seats.  The plastic shell
> on the back of the front
> seats (where the rear seat passengers would hit
> their knees) is chalky and
> kind of disintegrating.  Just scrapes off with your
> fingernails.
> 
> Seems like there out to be some kind of coating I
> could put on the backs to
> restore them - (I'm sure new ones would be like
> hen's teeth to find.)
> Something like paint, only thicker and stronger.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> 
> Don B.
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 13:55:20 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Mondello's Restricted Cam Bearings...

Has anyone used Mondello's restricted cam bearings? The whole is so small
as compared to the original style. I bought a pair of the cryogenic
bearings with the oil hole restriction. I heard that even with restrictors
in the block the top end gets 25% too much oil. Supposedly the restricted
cam bearings help out alot. They just look scary because of the oil hole
being small.



Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:17:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R.Strachan" <creature48212@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Chalky Plastic on back side of front seats... what to do?

Well i guess i got lucky i got a 69 Cutlass 'S'
with black interior.Would you happen to know   
about my carb. #'s 7044558 year & model?

        Thanks alot
        Rick Detroit MI.
        69 Cutlass 'S'
  
- --- "R.Strachan" <creature48212@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'd like to know if anybody sells new seat backs (or
> whatever their called)for a Cutlass?   
> --- BOYD DONALD R <drboyd@srpnet.com> wrote:
> > 1976 Cutlass with bucket seats.  The plastic shell
> > on the back of the front
> > seats (where the rear seat passengers would hit
> > their knees) is chalky and
> > kind of disintegrating.  Just scrapes off with
> your
> > fingernails.
> > 
> > Seems like there out to be some kind of coating I
> > could put on the backs to
> > restore them - (I'm sure new ones would be like
> > hen's teeth to find.)
> > Something like paint, only thicker and stronger.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > 
> > Don B.
> > 
> > 
> 
>
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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:31:17 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <pbrill1@uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Mondello's Restricted Cam Bearings...

At 01:55 PM 4/15/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Has anyone used Mondello's restricted cam bearings? The whole is so small
>as compared to the original style. I bought a pair of the cryogenic
>bearings with the oil hole restriction. I heard that even with restrictors
>in the block the top end gets 25% too much oil. Supposedly the restricted
>cam bearings help out alot. They just look scary because of the oil hole
>being small.
>
>
>
>Pettrix@prodigy.net
> 

  My neighbor with an 11.15 second '72 Cutlass drag car uses the oil
restricted cam bearings.  Don't know if they are Mondello's.  I'm pretty
sure he buys from Dave Smith and Dick Miller(same as Mondello).  However,
he DOES use roller rockers(real, not the Comp Cams roller tip deal).  He
does not use block restrictors.  However, he does not run a roller cam.
From my conversation with him, he gets 130+ runs out of his engine in a
season.  Also, he just replaced his Ken Bell valve springs which only lost
10% of their total open pressure in 10 years....wouldn't be the case if he
wasn't getting enough oil.

Paul Brillhart

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 12:01:58 -0800
From: "JON MORGAN" <wynja@zdnetmail.com>
Subject: manifolds

I could certainly use some help. Im in desperate need of a set of exhaust 
manifolds for my 72 olds cutlass supreme, which has a 455. I would greatly 
appreciate any help or advice that you might have. Thank you, Jon.


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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:10:04 +0200
From: Walter Leemann <wleemann@swissonline.ch>
Subject: Re: Starfire V8 (Jetfire!)

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Hello

Original this engine where used on 62/63 Oldsmobiles Jetfires, the littles 
Compacts. They where not used on the bigger cars
such as the 88 or Starfire.

For technical details see : 
http://www.spectraweb.ch/~wjleeman/olds63jetdaten.jpg

This is out of the original lea-flet.

Regards

Walter Leemann

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<P>Original this engine where used on 62/63 Oldsmobiles Jetfires, the littles
Compacts. They where not used on the bigger cars such as the 88 or Starfire.
<P>For technical details see : <A HREF="
http://www.spectraweb.ch/~wjleeman/olds63jetdaten.jpg
">http://www.spectraweb.ch/~wjleeman/olds63jetdaten.jpg</A><A HREF="
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<P>This is out of the original lea-flet.
<P>Regards
<P>Walter Leemann</HTML>

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 22:21:58 +0200
From: Walter Leemann <wleemann@swissonline.ch>
Subject: RE: 215 Turbo charged

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Hello

for more infos check this page: http://www.spectraweb.ch/~wjleeman

Regards

Walter Leemann

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 14:26:08 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Mondello's Restricted Cam Bearings...

Paul Brillhart wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
>   My neighbor with an 11.15 second '72 Cutlass drag car uses the oil
> restricted cam bearings.  Don't know if they are Mondello's.  I'm pretty
> sure he buys from Dave Smith and Dick Miller(same as Mondello).  However,
> he DOES use roller rockers(real, not the Comp Cams roller tip deal).  He
> does not use block restrictors.  However, he does not run a roller cam.
> >From my conversation with him, he gets 130+ runs out of his engine in a
> season.  Also, he just replaced his Ken Bell valve springs which only lost
> 10% of their total open pressure in 10 years....wouldn't be the case if he
> wasn't getting enough oil.

Ah, why not?  Does oil affect the springs?  I would expect a lack to wreck
cams, lifters, pushrods, etc. but why springs?

Not being critical just wanting to learn more,
- -- 

Cliff "needs to learn a LOT more" Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:54:18 -0700
From: Kenneth L Kayser <kkayser@execpc.com>
Subject: buyer

I would like to buy a 1951 88 convertible, restored or in good original
condition.  Any ideas of where to look other than Hemmings and Old Car
trader?

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:55:10 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <pbrill1@uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Mondello's Restricted Cam Bearings...

At 02:26 PM 4/15/99 +0000, you wrote:
>
>Paul Brillhart wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>   My neighbor with an 11.15 second '72 Cutlass drag car uses the oil
>> restricted cam bearings.  Don't know if they are Mondello's.  I'm pretty
>> sure he buys from Dave Smith and Dick Miller(same as Mondello).  However,
>> he DOES use roller rockers(real, not the Comp Cams roller tip deal).  He
>> does not use block restrictors.  However, he does not run a roller cam.
>> >From my conversation with him, he gets 130+ runs out of his engine in a
>> season.  Also, he just replaced his Ken Bell valve springs which only lost
>> 10% of their total open pressure in 10 years....wouldn't be the case if he
>> wasn't getting enough oil.
>
>Ah, why not?  Does oil affect the springs?  I would expect a lack to wreck
>cams, lifters, pushrods, etc. but why springs?
>
>Not being critical just wanting to learn more,
>--
>
>Cliff "needs to learn a LOT more" Simpson
>mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
>'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
>http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

Oil cools the springs.  Lots of internal heat generated from compressing
and expanding and no coolant to flow around them.  Don't get me wrong, I
know of guys who run almost no oil to the top end who run roller
everything, but I don't imagine these guys get 10 years out of a set of
springs or very often drive their cars back to the pits.  Hell, some NASCAR
guys have suggested running close to no oil up top(Smokey U), but I doubt
that springs are reused very often.  If they are, you bet your ass that
they are checked....I don't seem to have a spring compressor in my pocket
though....

Paul Brillhart

> 

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:47:50 EDT
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: 403 -307

All 307 pulleys, etc bolt on to a 403 right? Im going to put a 493 in my 86 
442. (Soon to have lightning rod shifters !!!!!)

Bernie

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:54:22 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Mondello's Restricted Cam Bearings...

Thanks Paul, cooling makes sense.

- -- 
Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:06:24 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <pbrill1@uic.edu>
Subject: small block Ford roller rockers, was Mondello's Rst'd Cam Br'ngs...

At 03:54 PM 4/15/99 +0000, you wrote:
>
>Thanks Paul, cooling makes sense.
>
>--
>Cliff Simpson
>mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
>'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
>http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html
> 

Cliff,

  Best thing my drag racing neighbor confirmed for me was that small block
Ford Harland Sharp roller rockers work on big block Olds Heads.  He picked
up a set of 5/16"(I believe that was the diameter...he did not do any
machining, said he wanted to avoid it) studs and a set of guideplates and
it was a bolt on operation.  I've seen a similar setup on a Husrt/Olds
listed on www.442.com.

Later,

Paul Brillhart

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:15:28 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <hurstolds@duesouth.net>
Subject: I'm back.....

Howdy folks.  I'm back.  Finally finished moving.  Well, sorta.  You all
know the unpacking and sorting.  But it's good to be back on the list
again.

For anyone that cares, my new e-mail is hurstolds@duesouth.net
My web page is being moved into the http://www.duesouth.net/~hurstolds
arena, but isn't quite done yet.

Mike Rothe
Aiken, SC (again)

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 15:24:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: 83 Cutlass For Sale

Received personally, forwarding:
*******************

youlino@us.ibm.com wrote:
Dude,  I have a car I know someone out there wants,
judging from all the Olds websites. It's a 1983 Olds
Cutlass Calias.  It's white w/ a Landau Top and fully
loaded dark blue interior. Dash is all Gauges. It has
served me well w/ a 176K on the V6 motor. The outside
is not showroom but the interior is in really good
shape.
Please help me out.
   Patrick  M. Youlio
   (914 )  894-3061  or  TieLine 533-3061
   email:  youlino@us.ibm.com
   IBM Microelectronics,  Quality Assurance.

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:27:36 -0500
From: BRIAN J BODNAR <brian.j.bodnar@lmco.com>
Subject: Oldsmobile Production Numbers

I was just wondering if there is a website or if the productions numbers
for Oldmobile Cutlass Supreme Internationals are available?

I have a 1991 in Black Saphire Blue Metallic with a 3.4 Liter DOHC
engine and the 5 speed manual transmission.

It currently has 42,000 miles and is in showroom condition.

Every shop GM and others that have performed work on it are mystified by
its unique configuration.

If anyone can help thank you in advance.

brian.j.bodnar@lmco.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:29:07 -0400
From: "gjcouse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: 83 Cutlass For Sale

How much, Where you located?  Gary....

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- ----- Original Message -----
From: John Pajak <jspajak@yahoo.com>
To: Olds Gbody <olds_gbody@listbot.com>; olds list
<oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 15, 1999 6:24 PM
Subject: Fwd: 83 Cutlass For Sale


> Received personally, forwarding:
> *******************
>
> youlino@us.ibm.com wrote:
> Dude,  I have a car I know someone out there wants,
> judging from all the Olds websites. It's a 1983 Olds
> Cutlass Calias.  It's white w/ a Landau Top and fully
> loaded dark blue interior. Dash is all Gauges. It has
> served me well w/ a 176K on the V6 motor. The outside
> is not showroom but the interior is in really good
> shape.
> Please help me out.
>    Patrick  M. Youlio
>    (914 )  894-3061  or  TieLine 533-3061
>    email:  youlino@us.ibm.com
>    IBM Microelectronics,  Quality Assurance.
>
> _________________________________________________________
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 18:38:19 -0400
From: "Erik Hill" <ehill@gowebway.com>
Subject: Re: HEY ...G-BODY GUYS  !!

Hey thomas, I finally got that 350 into my '88 CSC
got ANY ideas for fine tuning it?

1969 block with static 9.0:1 comp. bored .030 over and balanced..

right now it idles good, but there is a slight stumble every  once awhile
I'm on the computer with the stageII hypertech
214/224 cam  w/ .476/.497 lift 112* lobe sep.
1800-4800 power range
 
Erik C. Hill
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: Thomas Martin <Thomas_Martin@css.mot.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, July 16, 1998 1:34 PM
Subject: HEY ...G-BODY GUYS !!


> 
> >Am I the only one who has DEEPLY contemplated the idea of a
> "blow-through"
> >turbo set-up on the 307/350 w/elec. quadrajet.?
> 
> No, I have as well.  I have a Turbo Trans AM with a draw thru turbo.
> Works well, runs 14.21@97.3 pushing 4030 lbs thru the 1/4 mi.  And that
> is a pathetic ported 301 V8!  (it has goodies, but those are my secrets,
> if you are into Pontiacs, I can tell you what Pontiac put on inside of
> these V8's! <g>)
> 
> If you want to start an offline thread, please email me.
> 
> I would like to talk to someone who is interested.
> 
> Thomas Martin
> 85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
> 91 Bonneville LE 3800
> 80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 17:39:38 -0500
From: "Lou Biggs" <lbiggs@intertek.net>
Subject: Missing

All;
Not that all of you care but still laid up with the back, cannot sit more
then about 10 min. on the computer. Even if I can respond I'm usually blown
away on pain pills. I know make even less sense than normal. Enjoyed the
discussion about rod lengths, good show "Joe and all". They really do work
better, (mike an old engine bore), all the wear occurs about 1/3 of the way
down the piston stroke. Mainly at TDC and on the thrust side of the rod,
but all of this is not do to side thrust. Lack of oil, from combustion
pressures and heat do a great deal of it. Long rods do push down better as
Joe and someone else pointed out. Do get a little more HP. Rambling here,
remember HP formulae does include a time element, work performed during a
given amount of time = HP. Don't get sidetracked here, increase engine RPMs
an you get an increase in HP, (using the formulae as given). Y'all take
care, would like to make Carlisle, (anyone have an Olds Ambulance), screwed
right now, you all have fun. 
Lou (Master) Biggs
lbiggs@intertek.net
oca#31353

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:00:57 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: oil restricters

I am using them in my  motor and have been for 3 years, with roller tip
rockers and full roller rockers. I am not easy on my motor at all ,and
no problems, hell I even have them in my GMC-OLDS motorhome.    Butch
68  442 post  (finaly car ran 11. 46 last night love my olds)

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:00:27 EDT
From: QWKCUTLASS@aol.com
Subject: Re: updating your olds anyone put 17's on 70-72 yet???

if you're going for cornering and all that road race type of stuff, 17s are a 
pretty good choice, they ride pretty good, but off line traction with a low 
pro tire is really weak, you'll go up in smoke really fast.  i took those 
rims off to run some 15s with a a little taller tire for drag racing. 17s 
looked really good on my car, so i would imagine they would look good on any 
muscle car.  The only thing i can really say is its a preference, of what 
type of look and what type of driving you do, I say go for it, you'll 
probably be happy with 17s.
Sam

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:03:06 EDT
From: QWKCUTLASS@aol.com
Subject: Re: updating your olds anyone put 17's on 70-72 yet???

i had 255 40 in front and 275 40 in back if i remember corectly, its been a 
while since i had them.

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:05:58 EDT
From: QWKCUTLASS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Flex Plate Question's????

I haven't heard of any probelms with reacing flexplates yet, but if ihad a 
choice i would run the Mondell Inercia flexplate, its a streetable racing 
flexplate.

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:08:37 EDT
From: QWKCUTLASS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mondello's Restricted Cam Bearings...

A friend of mine has a set of those bearings in his 71 Olds/455 and they seem 
to be ok, he drives it daily and there aren't any problems yet.

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 19:20:09 -0500
From: Alma Clark <ascddc@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 72 olds cutlass 4door

I'm looking for a good trunk lid and bumper cores, hood  if they don't
want too much  thanks Dan

> Dennis Branch wrote:
> 
> To everyone on the list: I was in a local junkyard this Saturday and
> ran upon a 1972 Olds Cutlass 4dr hardtop. The car was all there good
> chrome , the interior was black cloth , bench front seat and it was in
> great shape. The dash , and all the gauges , radio everything was
> there. If anyone on the list needs me to check on a certain part let
> me know. The car was running when the owner brought it there but since
> he said the motor has locked up. All the glass every thing is still in
> tack. If I can help  anyone out just email me with what you need and I
> will be glad to help. I don't want to sound like a broken record but
> all the doors,door panels , fenders, trunk , hood grills every thing.
> I was really surprised to see a whole car like that there.
> Dennis Branch SR
> Gautier, Mississippi
> 69 Olds Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:25:21 EDT
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: anyone put a new style master cyl

In a message dated 99-04-15 13:44:41 EDT, you write:

<< has anyone put a new style master cylinder on there 70's cutlass. Im 
looking
 > to put the plastic and aluminum style with a 1'' bore on my 72 cutlass.
 > Curious to know what year car you got it from. >>
I put one on my 71 Supreme before it was stolen.  It was a power brake master 
cylinder from a 78-80 Cutlass Supreme.  No problems at all.

regards 
W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 20:55:59 EDT
From: Sparker442@aol.com
Subject: Re: I'm back.....

Welcome back, Mike!

Scott Parker
71 442 Conv.

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Date: Thu, 15 Apr 1999 21:46:08 -0400
From: "Robert Schinkel" <docbob@caninet.com>
Subject: Aprils Parts listings

PLEASE!
E me direct and
I'll get back to you A.S.A.P
 
 Robert Schinkel
 docbob@caninet.com
 
 1966  B cylinder heads  (bare heads) >   $100
 
  1968

  442 grill emblem >   $40
 Nos Side marker light gaskets>   $10 all
 Ashtray Door >  $8
 Convertible top cylinders > $25 ea.
 Rear defroster switch > $20
 Motor mount heat shield > $8
 Conv. Top latches  >20.pr
 Conv. Vent windows with frames good chrome incl. glass  >$75.pr.
 Reverse light lens good condition > $10
 442 Carb  #7028251 >$100
 442 Air Cleaner w/lower tube>$75
 Intake for 442 398662 with choke> $50
 Choke pulldown only >$20
 Power Antenna Switch  >$20
 Plastic headlight doors > $225
 
 1969

 Ashtray Doors   > $8
 Convertible top cylinders > $25
 Convertible Trunk Lid rustfree  > $150 
 Hood Hinges > $20pr
 442 Ashtray door with woodgrain Exc.>$12
 Motor mount heat shield  >$8
  Conv. Top latches >$20.pr
 Vacuum trunk switch >$20
 Taillight lens and some housings >$15 ea
 442 Taillight lenses $20ea
 69-72      Power window motors >  $20ea.
 
 1970
 
 Tail light lens (Cutlass) >  $15 ea
 Tail light lens (Supreme) > $20 ea
 Nos 455 Oil Dipstick tubes  > $20
 Lower Dash AC Vents (none 8 Track)>$80
 Dual Gate Shifter(shifter only)>$100
 Rear liscense plate brackets  > $10ea.
 Nos pass. side headlight frame(plastic)>  $75
 8 Track Complete (E me for details)>$100
 Nos fender script "Cutlass"  >  $25 ea
 Nos Horn Contact (sport wheel)  >  $25 ea
 F85 fender script >  $30 pr.
 Dash Plaques (Plastic around gauges W/ wood grain)   >   $20
 Convertible top cylinder > $25
 Hood Hinges > $15
 Motor mount heat shield> $5
 Conv. Top latches> $20.pr
 455 heads E casting> $100
 1 NOS rear Wheel well Molding>$50
 69-72      Power window motors> $25 ea.
 
 1971 & 1972
 Front bumper directional lens> $8 ea.
 72 fender mount antenna - complete> $20
 Tail light lens > $10 ea.                    
 Trunk lid script "O-L-D-S-M-O-B-I-L-E">  $20
 Dash Plaques (Wood Grain area and plastic around gauges) >$10
 Convertible top cylinders  > $25
 Hood Hinges   >$15
 Rear ¼ panel supreme extensions (supremes only)>$10
 Motor mount heat shield  >$5
 Conv. Top latches  >$20.pr
  69-72      Power window motors > $20 ea.
 
 1973
 Carb         7043256  >$40
 455 4BBL with crank drilled for 4 speed> $350

1974 & 75
Southern Fenders > $75ea.
442/Hurst Hood > $150 exc.

Shipping is extra 
Robert Schinkel   docbob@caninet.com
Niagara Falls,    Canada   905-357-4454

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