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oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, June 3 1999       Volume 01 : Number 1994



NEED RIGHT FENDER FOR 70 DELTA88 GOOD CONTION PLEASE
Re: ATF?
72 Big Car convertible
Re: ATF?
Starter/ Alternator
Re: Snake oils and other engine voodoos
i want off the list
Hoping to get 68 442 parts car
Say what, Y-motor?
frozen motor
Re: What's wrong with 2.93 gears (was posi question)
Re: i want off the list
confused about ignition timing
RE: ATF?
Re: 160 deg VS. 180 deg
Re: 8 track player????
Single '85 SSII avail?
paging guy needing '65 pcs
RE: Single '85 SSII avail?
Re: posi question (modified 403 in TA for sale)
Re: confused about ignition timing
Re: Raising engine
What's a Perfect Paint Job??
Rear wing available?
Re: Snake oils and other engine voodoos
Re: INDY
Re: Self-Adjusters (was: What's wrong with 2.93 gears)
Re: Stormy Weather..... and SOM   [long]
Re: "Old"  Oldsmobile Advertising Campaign???
Re: INDY
posi question...
Flex Fans....
Re: Self-Adjusters (was: What's wrong with 2.93 gears)
Honing when using old rings
Re: very Confused.
Re: Raising engine
Re: Indy H/O meet (was: INDY)
Low cost of steel
Re: Single '85 SSII avail?
Car for sale
Re: "Old" Oldsmobile Advertising Campaign???
Rallye 350 for sale
norwalk
Re: Low cost of steel
Re:Snake oils and other engine voodoos
Test, please ignore
Re: Honing when using old rings
Re: 7.5 in 10 Bolt
Re: norwalk
Re: very Confused.
Re: Rallye 350 for sale
Re: Low cost of steel
RE: norwalk/why people race Cutlasses
Re: Indy H/O meet (was: INDY)
Re: Low cost of steel
Re: Indy H/O meet (was: INDY)
Fw: Car Craft Nowheresville
Re: 8 track player????
Re: Say what, Y-motor?

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 16:47:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: EDMUND WILLIAMS <efw67@yahoo.com>
Subject: NEED RIGHT FENDER FOR 70 DELTA88 GOOD CONTION PLEASE

I finally found a left front fender for my 70 Delta88 that is in good
condition, but now I need a right front fender that is in good
condition also anyone please help. Ed from New York.

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 18:47:23 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: ATF?

>Can I put ATF in a running engine?  Is that what I just read that someone 
>wrote?

Yes, I wrote that.  ATF is a lubricant like motor oil but it has an 
extremely high detergent content (ever looked inside an AT?).
In engines that have been neglected and are all gummed up
inside you can put in 1 quart of ATF and it will break down all
the sludge and caked up oil without breaking it into big chunks.
I have only ever done it in engines that were severely neglected
and there wasn't much to loose and only went about 500 miles.
This trick has turned more than one headache car into a smooth
running one.  Usually pick up MPG and runs cooler too.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:01:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 72 Big Car convertible

72 Big Car convertible with rods in top, function unknown:
- ---
BTW: I've ordered a form to order the shop manual, so hopefully I
can answer my own questions soon, but I need to get this silly thing
fixed in order to cert. the car and put it on the road.
- ---
Dunno what those rods are for... but gee whiz, look at the Rocket Science
list of Literature:

$$  Yr  Cond    Description
40  72  VG      Chassis Service Manual. 1.7" thick. *
40  72  Good    Fisher Body Service Manual. 1.0" thick.  *
==================
And, still here, I think.

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:01:17 EDT
From: GregA80@aol.com
Subject: Re: ATF?

In a message dated 6/2/99 7:47:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
mbloomer@mindspring.com writes:

<< 
 and there wasn't much to loose and only went about 500 miles.
 This trick has turned more than one headache car into a smoo >>
Thanks for the info

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:04:09 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Starter/ Alternator

- --$2000 starter repair--

Not unrealistic as the flywheel-pinion wear (full-time contact to power
alternator/generator as well) will be such that the contact surface will
require oiling. Making this an ~internal~ component.
=============

Actually, this looks like external. Basically, the flywheel contains magnets
and/or field coil, and around that is a HUGE coil much like current [hah]
alternators' stator coils. So, only connection would be maybe some brushes to
run coils on flywheel if that.

We are developing brushless DC motors for auto HVAC these days.

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:12:02 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Snake oils and other engine voodoos

Well I didn't want it to come over that way. It was not directed to you. I
was just making a comment. Enough said, topic dropped...


- ----------
> From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@freewwweb.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Snake oils and other engine voodoos
> Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 6:32 PM
> 
> Well excuse me pete I didnt think I would be stepping on anyones toes by
> merely mentioning duralube I dont crawl under rocks I use all synthetic
> lubricants ,and if I decide to run my engine without oil or coolant I
will
> try duralube, I am not saying that it doesnt work I am just saying that
if
> it sounds too good to be true it probably is I have seen the displays at
> many car shows and so on and it doesnt impress me if it works so good 
then
> there is no more need for engine oil I think it was castrol who had their
> syntec add with the engines that were just filled and drained then ran
until
> all locked up save one the syntec engine, As I have stated here many
times I
> use synthetics exclusively and I like to take apart an engine that looks
as
> good at 100,000 miles as it did with no miles as for the waxes I like
> Carnauba from maguires I dont care for gimmicky car polishes either,
since
> most are merely silicone paste. you dont have to come off with this
> condescending attitude I merely stated my opinion you may state yours but
> dont be insulting about it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 5:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Snake oils and other engine voodoos
> 
> 
> > As far as Duralube goes I honestly believe it can not hurt a motor in
any
> > way. People have put duralube in radiators and the car ran cooler.
> Duralube
> > has been even tested by Mondello and Mondello claims reduced bearing
and
> > cylinder wall wear with it. Synthetic oil does work better than
> > conventional oil. That is a fact. If you don't believe that then go
crawl
> > back under the rock you came from. As far as Duralube it is a
"synthetic"
> > oil "additive" that probably does protect the engine parts.
> >
> > Also as far as new polishes coming out into the market. Some, if not
most,
> > are gimmicks. There are new waxes that work 1000 times better than old
> > school technology. Technology has come a long way after the past years.
> > Waxes are better than they were 10 years ago. The same goes with oil in
> the
> > 70's. Back then the conventional oil could not keep up with todays
> > conventional oil.
> > Pettrix@prodigy.net
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@freewwweb.com>

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:02:47 -0500
From: "Joseph Stevenson" <jsteven@fcg.net>
Subject: i want off the list

take me off the list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
- -----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Newman <newsance@netzero.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 6:21 PM
Subject: Re: posi question


>Colorado man... ME FIRST!!! I figure if the body is as wasted as I think,
it
>will go nicely into my buick...
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Uncle Pete <pteubel@mediaone.net>
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 4:55 AM
>Subject: Re: posi question
>
>
>>WHERE is this car?  I may be interested in the engine alone.
>>
>>- Pete
>>
>>At 12:18 AM 6/2/99 -0600, you wrote:
>>>Saw a '78 Trans Am in the paper for $900. "403, many aftermarket parts"
>>>Figured I would take a look.
>>>
>>>The "many aftermarket parts" was a wee understatement.
>>>
>>>This was one hopped up 403. One helluva nasty idle...
>>>
>>>By far the fastest car I have ever driven or ridden in. No, I have never
>>>been in a 70 442 w-30, but...
>>>
>>>Launching with anything over 1/4 throttle would spin the tires like you
>>>wouldn't belive. Likewise if you floor it at anything under 35 mph.
>>>
>>>So heres the question. The seller claims it has a 3.08 posi in it.
>However,
>>>the drivers side rear tire is very close to bald, while the other seems
to
>>>have half its tread on it.
>>>
>>>This screamed ONE LEGGER to me, except that doesn't the passenger tire
>spin
>>>before the left on a one legger?
>>>
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:08:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Hoping to get 68 442 parts car

Looks like I can get the '68 442 "parts car" after we see if the house
refinancing works or not. If so, will be selling items off it, or whole
car after I get my goodies. Seller is being very accomodating, says he
feels it's going to good hands. Some tags that come with it seem to
indicate that it was once a "show car" for GM. Hmmm.... anyone hear of or
see such items before? No build sheet I guess. Story of my life.
  I expect to offer for sale the excess parts such as the '69 "wood"
steering wheel, set of SSI's, OAI air cleaner, etc.
  Car is numbers-match motor & OG trans.
- -RS-

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:09:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Say what, Y-motor?

I have a 84 307 Y code engine with cam headers RPM intake and a 3.73 w/ posi
I am planning on adding a 350 in the spring of 2000 looking to get about
375 - 400 hp  Right now it runs faster than a H/O 442 or SS (stock)

Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme
============\
Really, 1.5 HP/CID from a 307?
Must be Canadian HP or something...

;-)

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:14:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: frozen motor

The saddest part is that this engine only has about 2,000 miles on a rebuild.

Question, if the motor frees up with the ATF, will it be OK or am I going to
need to have her opened up and worked on??

Jim
69 442 conv
===============
In my experience, worst problem if cylinders/ rings are OK is that valves, some
of which are always open, will stick. Do not force rotation with a large bar or
you will bend pushrods. This I know from exp^H^H^H a friend's activities. :-)

If it comes to that, remove RAC's check valve action, might be able to free up
stuclk ones by lubing and working them from above. If not, pull the heads and
do it right. It's not THAT big of a job.

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:16:11 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: What's wrong with 2.93 gears (was posi question)

<<A couple of weekends ago I was manually adjusting the "automatic 
adjusters" in the rear drum brakes on my Supreme (has anyone *ever* 
found these things actually work, by the way? I've owned 3 Mopars, two 
Oldsmobiles, 1 Mitsubishi, and the adjusters didn't work on ANY of 
them. I think we're all being lied to, just like what they told us 
about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny>>

Never had a problem as long as you check a couple things.  First, the
cable for the adjuster can stretch and not put the adjusting plate at the
right height.  The other and biggest culprit is stuck adjusters.  They 
should spin pretty freely, but most of the time their fairly hard to turn.
Just take it apart, wire brush the threads and use some anti-seize when
you put it back together.  And also remember that you have to hit the
brakes while travelling backwards for them to work.  Best way to adjust
front drums to keep them from pulling.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:16:21 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: i want off the list

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 17:12 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: confused about ignition timing

I'm planning to replace the defective vacuum advance cannister on the 
stock breaker-point distributor in my '72 Supreme (350 4-bbl/TH350), 
and before I pulled the distributor I wanted to find out what my 
current baseline initial advance is. So I highlighted the groove in 
the harmonic balancer with white paint, connected up the timing light, 
hooked it to the front-most cylinder on the drivers side , and found - 
that the timing mark on the harmonic balancer is nowhere near the 
timing tab on the timing chain cover when the timing light flashes! 
The tab is on the left (drivers) side of the water pump, the mark on 
the harmonic balancer shows up on the right (passenger) side of the 
water pump, I'd guess about 60 degrees earlier than I'd expect.

Obviously I don't have 60 degrees BTDC of initial timing (my car runs 
well and pings only at WOT in 2nd or third gear on extra-hot days, 
with 92-octane), so what's going on here?  Does Oldsmobile number 
their cylinders differently from everyone else (unlikely, since a 
cylinder fires every 90 crank degrees in a V8, so that would mean a 30 
degrees *after* TDC timing for the next cylinder in the sequence), or 
did my harmonic balancer outer ring slip on the inner, or is there 
some simple explanation involving the wrong timing chain cover or the 
wrong harmonic balancer? 

Anyone have an idea?


- -John "ignition lead" Carri
'72 Supreme (appears to have 60 deg BTDC initial timing!)
'73 RoadRunner (10 deg initial timing)

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:21:08 -0400

From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: ATF?

Do you mean, can you add ATF while an engine is running?  If, so, sure, just
watch that the fan doesn't blow it all over.  But if you mean, can you put
ATF in an engine that runs, well uh no.  Unless...You could get a spare
windshield washer pump and aim the nozzle into the carb.  Fill a little
reservoir with ATF and sqirt some in the carb when some bastard is riding
you a$s.  Creates a real potent smoke screen.


Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
84 3.8 Calais
Bucks County, PA
mailto:costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo


> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of GregA80@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 7:35 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: ATF?
>
>
> Can I put ATF in a running engine?  Is that what I just read that someone
> wrote?
>

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:20:53 -0400
From: "gjcouse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: 160 deg VS. 180 deg

Do any of the usual companies make a 170* stat? G....

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From: Doug Ahern <doug@mail.RATH.PeachNet.EDU>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: 160 deg VS. 180 deg


> On Wed, Jun 02, 1999 at 10:42:14AM -0500, Ian M. C. Dixon wrote:
> > I've gotta agree with Omega Man.  I just replaced my OEM fan 
> > clutch and installed a 160 in my 409 (403 @ 30 over) and it runs 
> > exactly at 160 no matter what.  This is a freshly rebuilt engine with 
> > about 500 miles on it, too. With the original 180 the temp would 
> > creep up to ~200 in traffic.   My question is: is 160 deg as an 
> > operating temo too cool for some reason?
> 
> 160 is way too cool.  anything under 210 is safe if you have a
> good antifreeze mix and a 10+ lb. radiator cap... 230 and its time
> to start thinking about pulling over, cool down, go home and figure 
> out a way to run cooler.  
> 
> sitting in traffic, if you start running hot, knock the trans into
> neutral (if automatic-ally equipped), and let the rpms go up a
> few hunred rpm.   this isn't something you want to do constantly
> 10 times per trip across town (you certainly can, its just a
> pain... and probably adds wear tot he trans...) but if there
> is a wreck or bad traffic jam, it can come in handy...  everyone
> probably already knows this....
> 
> 180-200 is perfect.
> 
> Doug Ahern
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:22:54 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: 8 track player????

In a message dated 6/2/99 4:28:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dstaxpro@lex.infi.net writes:

<<  I have an 8-track, don't know if it would fit your 72, but it came out
 > of my 75. Pics can be seen at:
 > http://www.geocities.com:80/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/8BACK.JPG
 > http://www.geocities.com:80/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/8WIRES.JPG
 > http://www.geocities.com:80/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/8FRONT.JPG
 Matt,
 
 That's a totally different unit I believe.  The 72 8 track mounts under
 the dash and is separate from the radio which is up in the dash.  At
 least every one I have ever seen is that way.
  >>

The 8-track in the pictures appears to be an aftermarket unit. I remember 
those in the mid to late 70's.  A factory unit would not have the fuse holder 
on the power lead.
The 8-track in my 69 mounts under the dash also.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:24:54 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Single '85 SSII avail?

Any interest in a single NOS gold & chrome SSII wheel?


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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:26:36 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: paging guy needing '65 pcs

Battery tray, mirror, etc.

Please email me back private, I lost yer eddress, then found contacts for ya.
Can't search back digest w/o MUCH difficulty.

t'anks
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:32:56 -0400
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: Single '85 SSII avail?

Chris,
right after I read your post, I read this on the G Body list.  Coker's a
good company.


Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
84 3.8 Calais
Bucks County, PA
mailto:costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo






i just bought SSII wheels from Coker tires and i didnt use a spacer.... 15X7
i think they look alot like Jason Adcock's wheels. the ones that i saw on
his
website.  but no spacer.  i paid $120 a piece for the wheels, but they
wanted
$45 for each center cap.  so i bought junk yard ones.

Adam
87 Supreme
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Chris Brown Witt
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 8:25 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca; me from myself
> Subject: Single '85 SSII avail?
>
>
> Any interest in a single NOS gold & chrome SSII wheel?
>
>
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:33:29 -0400
From: Uncle Pete <pteubel@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: posi question (modified 403 in TA for sale)

At 05:24 PM 6/2/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Colorado man... ME FIRST!!! I figure if the body is as wasted as I think, it
>will go nicely into my buick...

Damn!  Too far from Boston.  Oh well....


Uncle Pete
'51 98 (w/303)
'81 98 (w/307)
'82 98 (w/403)
'86 Ciera

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:39:54 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: confused about ignition timing

>>I'm planning to replace the defective vacuum advance cannister on the 
stock breaker-point distributor in my '72 Supreme (350 4-bbl/TH350), 
and before I pulled the distributor I wanted to find out what my 
current baseline initial advance is. So I highlighted the groove in 
the harmonic balancer with white paint, connected up the timing light, 
hooked it to the front-most cylinder on the drivers side , and found - 
that the timing mark on the harmonic balancer is nowhere near the 
timing tab on the timing chain cover when the timing light flashes! 
The tab is on the left (drivers) side of the water pump, the mark on 
the harmonic balancer shows up on the right (passenger) side of the 
water pump, I'd guess about 60 degrees earlier than I'd expect.<<

Bring #1 cyl up to TDC and mark the balancer by the timing pointer.
Determine TDC by pulling the plug and cranking it over until you
feel the piston push your finger off of the plug hole.  Continue rotating
as you use a small probe to feel the top of the piston.  If the outer ring
of the balancer has slipped, it will be very apparent.  BTW, if you have
a stock intake all the cyls will be numbered on top of each runner.  Plus
it will have the firing order on there (usually in front of the carb) 
somewhere.  Better than trying to remember!

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:40:15 EDT
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Raising engine

Hey Del!
	Yes, you can raise the engine using the motor-mount shim method. Goes 
without saying to keep the shims the same size.
	You don't really have to punch the plug out on the MT rocker covers. 
Just drill a series of small holes in the appropriate area (one which doesn't 
interfere with other components and not directly over an oil supply to the 
rockers) and mount the breather there.
										
		Ron Forsee
										
		65 442-Meister

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:51:20 -0400
From: "Scott Parker" <carott88@mindspring.com>
Subject: What's a Perfect Paint Job??

My restoration is almost done and I had a question about the paint job.  I
know we have some body men and some show winners on the list.  What should I
expect for a perfect paint job? I've made it clear that that's what I
expect, but what's realistic?  Definitions of perfection certainly vary.  I
noticed an imperfection in the striping which they said they could fix and
some dust nubs which they assure me can be buffed out.  To what extent can
repairs be made once a car is clear coated?  What kind of imperfections are
point subtractors at a judged show?  After 4 months in the shop and $20K for
a frame-off what should I see?   TIA for the input...
Scott Parker
71 442 Conv.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:48:40 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Rear wing available?

Also, have possible rear wing available, said to be factory, pedestals fillered
in place? Poorly?  $150?

79 H/O dual gate shifter plate

1985 442 W/ 6,000 ORIGINAL MILES=$9000.00

all from another person...

- --
Chris Witt      *the* Rocket Scientist
Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
- --
517-882-9747 eves/wknds to 11pm MI time
Email text only please, No MIME, no attachments, no pictures.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:52:02 EDT
From: LPBuilder@aol.com
Subject: Re: Snake oils and other engine voodoos

	I just finished rebuilding a 350 that someone must have used that 
crap in. There
was a light gray goo in the oil pan 3/4" thick that the lye tank wouldn't 
budge.
I believe it was graphite or something similar. It was so thick in the oil 
pump pick-up
I had to boil it for 3 hrs to loosen the crap up. After seeing it first hand 
I wouldn't
recommend it to my enemy.


Hope this helps

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:52:01 EDT
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: INDY

Love those 10500 rpm Olds motors!
	Actually Scott, unlike Cart engines which aren't allowed to be 
touched, the Aurora engines are farmed out to various speed-merchants for 
their massagings. A.J. Foyt's three cars were using Jack Roush prepared 
engines. Weird eh?
										
		Ron Forsee
										
		65 442-Meister

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:53:56 -0400
From: Uncle Pete <pteubel@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: Self-Adjusters (was: What's wrong with 2.93 gears)

At 03:37 PM 6/2/99 +0000, you wrote:
>A couple of weekends ago I was manually adjusting the "automatic 
>adjusters" in the rear drum brakes on my Supreme (has anyone *ever* 
>found these things actually work, by the way? I've owned 3 Mopars, two 
>Oldsmobiles, 1 Mitsubishi, and the adjusters didn't work on ANY of 
>them. I think we're all being lied to, just like what they told us 
>about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny) 

Actually, yes.  I did a 4-drum brake job on my wife's '63 Merc Monterey.
New shoes, drums, hardware kit, etc..  After I was done, I went back and
forth in the driveway to "adjust" the shoes (per FSM).  Sure enough, I
could actually HEAR the clicks of the star wheel was turning as I was
braking in reverse.  They tightened right up with no fuss.  I was impressed.

My Nissan D21 4x4 is another matter.  The rears always seem to UNADJUST.  I
don't even bother trying to adjust them anymore.  They last for 2 days and
then are out of adjustment again.  Yes, I've completely replaced all the
parts and assembled them correctly.


Uncle Pete
'51 98 (w/303)
'81 98 (w/307)
'82 98 (w/403)
'86 Ciera

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:02:22 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Stormy Weather..... and SOM   [long]

>In a message dated 99-06-02 16:20:01 EDT, you write:
>
><< 1) water infected ignition system quits producing spark
> 2) still rotating engine fills exhaust system with flammable air/fuel 
>mixture
> 3) ignition starts producing spark again igniting fuel in exhaust
> 4) Karl hears loud "bang", SOM feels pain in muffler
> 5) later moisture shuts ignition down for 1-1/2 hour nap time >>
>
>Karl willing to buy into that explanation.
>Except that there was no ~hint~ of missing before BAM!
>But will here concept of moisture inside cap.
>
>For the late-starting engine, will accept the postulat of liquid fuel.


Karl, 
You don't have to have a miss to grenade a muffler.  My old boss had
a 69 torino w/a fairly wild 427, cross ram and 2 double pumpers.  Car
always started with just the slightest touch of the gas.  One day, the new
guy goes out to pull the car back into the shop.  Pumps the gas 3 times,
hits the key and BAM, the pass side muffler is now touching the ground.
This is kind of an extreme case but shows what can happen at idle with
a cold engine.  Would expect things to happen much easier all warmed 
up and at freeway speeds.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 3 Jun 1999 09:12:12 +0000
From: Edward J Hufnagel <ejhufnagel1@juno.com>
Subject: Re: "Old"  Oldsmobile Advertising Campaign???

On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 09:27:23 EDT Dshack4@aol.com writes:
>List:
>
>Trying to find some adds that Oldsmobile made in the late 60's early 
>70's.  
>Does anyone know what magazines they advertised in?  I know I have 
>seen them 
>on the net, but not sure which mag's they were pulled from.
>
>Thanks,
>Shack
>71 442 W-30


I have a bunch of full page Olds ads from Nat'l Geographic.  The pages
have staple holes near the spine and some have slight rust from these
staples. They are;

1976  98 Regency
1977  98 Regency
1977  Delta 88 Royale Town Sedan
1977  Custom Cruiser
1978  Cutlass Supreme Brougham
1979  Delta 88 Royale
1979  Custom Cruiser
1979  Cutlass Salon
1980  Cutlass Supreme Brougham 4 dr.
1980  98 Regency
1980  Cutlass Supreme
1981  Cutlass Supreme Brougham Diesel  
1981  98 Regency

Also have an ALCOA ALUMINUM ad showing the benefits of aluminum street
poles with a '66 Delta or Dynamic being used as the test vehicle.

Also have an 1973 AIRSTREAM travel trailer ad showing trailer being towed
by what I believe is a '69 Olds Vista Cruiser

Also have some M*nte and R*gal ads from similar years

If interested E-mail private at EJHufnagel1@juno.com

Regards,
                Ed

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------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:05:15 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: INDY

>Love those 10500 rpm Olds motors!
> Actually Scott, unlike Cart engines which aren't allowed to be 
>touched, the Aurora engines are farmed out to various speed-merchants for 
>their massagings. A.J. Foyt's three cars were using Jack Roush prepared 
>engines. Weird eh?
> 
> Ron Forsee


Actually, looking on the NASCAR site, Roush built the Olds motors that won
the last TWO Indy 500's.  He has some redeeming qualities, for a ford guy.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:01:00 -0500
From: "James L. Brownfield" <olzracer@peaknet.net>
Subject: posi question...

I believe all the Trans Ams that had the Olds engine came with 3.42
gears. As far as posi, jack it up and check it.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 20:04:40 -0500
From: "James L. Brownfield" <olzracer@peaknet.net>
Subject: Flex Fans....

My race car has a electric fan on it. After run I let fan run 5 minutes
to cool radiator, than start engine watching temp gauge, it drops to 170
or so. Than shut the engine down, let the fan run till air is cool
coming through radiator. Works great!

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:11:06 -0400
From: THOMAS JACQUILLARD <TJACQUILLARD@InfoAve.Net>
Subject: Re: Self-Adjusters (was: What's wrong with 2.93 gears)

For the trouble making adjusters, just go in reverse for about 30-50 feet at a
pretty good pace and then hit the pedal hard. This has always worked for me. I
drive my car every day back and forth to work. When I start to feel my brakes
pulling to one side or the other, this procedure is how I fix it. Just make 
sure
that they are not frozen in place.
T.J.(68 HOL. SUPREME W/455)

Uncle Pete wrote:

> At 03:37 PM 6/2/99 +0000, you wrote:
> >A couple of weekends ago I was manually adjusting the "automatic
> >adjusters" in the rear drum brakes on my Supreme (has anyone *ever*
> >found these things actually work, by the way? I've owned 3 Mopars, two
> >Oldsmobiles, 1 Mitsubishi, and the adjusters didn't work on ANY of
> >them. I think we're all being lied to, just like what they told us
> >about Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny)
>
> Actually, yes.  I did a 4-drum brake job on my wife's '63 Merc Monterey.
> New shoes, drums, hardware kit, etc..  After I was done, I went back and
> forth in the driveway to "adjust" the shoes (per FSM).  Sure enough, I
> could actually HEAR the clicks of the star wheel was turning as I was
> braking in reverse.  They tightened right up with no fuss.  I was impressed.
>
> My Nissan D21 4x4 is another matter.  The rears always seem to UNADJUST.  I
> don't even bother trying to adjust them anymore.  They last for 2 days and
> then are out of adjustment again.  Yes, I've completely replaced all the
> parts and assembled them correctly.
>
> Uncle Pete
> '51 98 (w/303)
> '81 98 (w/307)
> '82 98 (w/403)
> '86 Ciera

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 19:20:09 -0600
From: "Igor Todorovic" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Honing when using old rings

Again a beat subject.......
I disassembled my 307 to check it out internally.  Now, I would like to put
it back WITHOUT changing the rings.  Can I just drop the pistons back in OR
do I have to hone and go with new rings.  Thanks.  Igor.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:40:16 -0700
From: Joe Varley <varleyequip@access1.net>
Subject: Re: very Confused.

Have an all original Nugget Gold '70 SX, and the paint code is marked --


Joe Varley

"Rocket 88 Man"

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 20:46:48 -0500
From: "Eckie Prater" <Eckie@Prater.com>
Subject: Re: Raising engine

Mike,
I want to put duals on my newly bought 75 delta 88 Vert.
It's got the 455.  What would you recommend for headers?
thanks.
Eckie Prater

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Bloomer <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: Raising engine


>>Nope.....I mean for good. I'm not worried about
>>installation because I will be putting the engine in
>>and getting the headers set up all at the same time.
>>But, as the engine use to sit, I was not able to get
>>my hand between the frame and the stock exhaust
>>manifold. The headers are quite a bit wider which
>>leads me to believe that I am going to have to raise
>>the engine somehow. Either that or cut the headers
>>apart and wrap em around the frame!
>
>
>Don't get so bent out of shape.  You'll be amazed how
>much room there is once those manifolds are out of the
>way.  As long as the motor mounts aren't bent it'll fit fine.
>I've put headers on more cars than I can count and my 
>Olds was about the easiest.  If it's a bit tight, pull the 
>header out and put a gradual dimple in the tube with a 
>ball peen hammer.  It also helps if you meditate first!
>
>Mike Bloomer
>mbloomer@mindspring.com
>ICQ# 19113713
>http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:49:49 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <hurstolds@duesouth.net>
Subject: Re: Indy H/O meet (was: INDY)

Speaking of Indy, is there anyone on the list going to be at Indy in July for
the H/O national meet?

Mike Rothe

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:48:10 EDT
From: Zitoj@aol.com
Subject: Low cost of steel

Well just took the majority of the rusted out 442 to the scrapyard. Went in 
and told them I had a load of auto scrap.  They said to dump it over there.  
I asked if I should drive on the scales first and they told me that the steel 
market was depressed and it wasn't worth anything. BUMMER.  

Question to ponder .... If steel isn't woth anything why are cars so 
expensive these days??????

PS Lots of parts still available.


Jim
69 442 conv

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:47:12 -0400
From: "M. Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Single '85 SSII avail?

> Any interest in a single NOS gold & chrome SSII wheel?
>
>
> --
> Chris Witt      *the* Rocket Scientist
> Lansing, MI :=: wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

Just saw this add on Bryceman's page:

Date Posted 5/26/1999 - I am looking for one or more 15"x7" Ralley wheels,
with center caps, for a 1987 442. freddiebecky@lcix.net 724-657-8225 New
Castle, Pa. AD # 12590973

==============================================
Mick Gillespie, Melbourne, FL
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/~mgillespie/oldspage.htm
==============================================

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 18:55:00 -0700
From: Joe Varley <varleyequip@access1.net>
Subject: Car for sale

Have a beautiful '70 Delta 88 2 door hardtop. Color is Bamboo with a gold
color vinyl top and interior. The car has 95,000 miles, an Arizona rust
free car with auto, power steering and brakes, cold factory air, hood lock,
350-2 barrel. Was painted once in 1996, new vinyl top, Michelins with 4,000
miles, rebuilt alternator, new rear shocks and springs. Front seat cloth
and new carpet done in 96, otherwise the interior is original and near
mint. No cracks in the dash. Car has no leaks, and can be driven anywhere.
We drive it daily. We may take it to Dallas. Everything works fine. Has
owners manual and protecto plate with it. Asking $ 4,250.00.

Joe Varley

Rocket 88 Man.

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:58:39 EDT
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Re: "Old" Oldsmobile Advertising Campaign???

I've got the 71 442 W-30 ad (same one as Bryceman's front page) on ebay and 
it came looking nice and no odor.  Sold my 71 and got a 70 442 W-30 conv, but 
still have the ad.  Paid $10 bucks and will sell for the same (I will cover 
postage).  Probably not worth ten bucks, but takes me an hour to get to, and 
deal with the USPS.  If interested email me.  David

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:02:16 -0700
From: Joe Varley <varleyequip@access1.net>
Subject: Rallye 350 for sale

Have a Rallye 350 F85 coupe, 4 speed, Am radio. Car has 53,000 miles. Was
parked from '77 to '95. It is a western rust free car, painted in '98, with
correct stripe kit, etc. A very nice car with W-31 option. We traced the
car back to 6 months old and it had the W-31 option then. New correct
Firestone wide ovals, clutch, seat covers and full exhaust system with 2
chamber Flowmasters. Drive it home. Asking $16,500.00 obo. If not sold, we
will have at Dallas.

Thanks,

Joe Varley

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:09:37 -0400
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: norwalk

Can anyone tell me when the show is?  It's coming up, right?  Is this a good
one?  It's got to be if it's all Olds.  I think I have to race a few people
there or something...  Please hit "reply all" so I can get the info at work
to take off the appropriate days...Thanks y'all.


Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
84 3.8 Calais
Bucks County, PA
mailto:costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:10:04 EDT
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: Low cost of steel

In a message dated 6/2/99 9:49:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Zitoj@aol.com 
writes:

<< Well just took the majority of the rusted out 442 to the scrapyard. Went 
in 
 and told them I had a load of auto scrap.  They said to dump it over there.  
 I asked if I should drive on the scales first and they told me that the 
steel 
 market was depressed and it wasn't worth anything. BUMMER.   >>


                     I know the feeling. It might be all the talk about the 
imported steel being sold below cost just to have customers. This week it 
will be taking some cars to scrap yard, so i am sure it will cost me more in 
gas than i will pocket from them...........         Scott 
       -1990 Cutlass Supreme  << looking for an Internation or Grand Prix gtp 
rear                             bucket seat set up>>
      -1990 Lumina Apv family truckster
      - 1980 chevy custom deluxe   nothing custom or deluxe about it, soon to 
be riding on 265/75/15's.... 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 19:14:57 -0700
From: Joe Varley <varleyequip@access1.net>
Subject: Re:Snake oils and other engine voodoos

Rislone is an excellent product for engines which have not had consistent
oil changes. Bought a For* once with 45,000 miles, original oil filter,
sludge for oil, used Rislone for 1,000 miles.----Stopped smoking, oil
pressure came up, and lifter noise stopped completely. I use in most used
cars I buy.

Restore also seems to work well with high mileage smokers, engines that are
really worn. Restore for old worn out smokers, Rislone for cleaning them up.


Cheap to try them.

Joe Varley

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 21:21:57 -0500
From: Gail Bedosky <gailmedic@home.com>
Subject: Test, please ignore

Test

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:03:23 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Honing when using old rings

Igor, 

I would put in the few extra bucks and time and hone it and get new 
rings since you will need new bearings too! What are you planning to do 
with the engine? Does it still look good? What is the story with it? Why 
did you disassemble it?

Regards

George

- ----------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://www.geocities/MotorCity/Boulevard/8004/Cutlass.html
- ----------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Igor Todorovic wrote:

> Again a beat subject.......
> I disassembled my 307 to check it out internally.  Now, I would like to put
> it back WITHOUT changing the rings.  Can I just drop the pistons back in OR
> do I have to hone and go with new rings.  Thanks.  Igor.
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:20:10 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: 7.5 in 10 Bolt

In a message dated 6/2/99 2:35:22 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
Thomas.Martin@motorola.com writes:

<< I met someone who has a 1979/80 posi carrier and 2.73 gears.  Price, make
 offer.  
 
 What is a good price for this rear?  No housing, just the spinning parts, no
 axles either.  
 
 I want to transplant into my 85 Cutlass to replace my 2.14's.  
 
 Anything I need to lookout for?  Anything hard about setting this rear end
 up with used gears if they are in good shape?  What parts will I need?
 Install kit?
 
 
 Thanks!
 Thomas Martin >>

	Bought a complete 2.29 posi rear end for my G-body Cutlass for $125. 
For just the carrier I would say $50? I mean the axles and all would be 
worthless and just taking up space since you don't need them. As long as he 
has a pinion gear, you should be able to use them again. I just put the old 
ring gear on the new carrier to have to keep from swapping the pinion (long 
story) and shoved (actually pounded) the new carrier into the old 
differential case. Works fine, and has for quite a few miles.  Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:21:32 EDT
From: OLDS44272@aol.com
Subject: Re: norwalk

       I just checked thier site ( www.norwalkraceway.com )  The page took 
awhile to load. But here is what i found... Aug 15th   Dick Miller Racing Inc 
"Olds power open"..          I will try to talk my friend into bringing his 
1990 Supreme funny car. It is a 6 second car. Not sure what his costs would 
to run or if he will be at another race track chasing the 
money...........Funny car pics to come  soon.......
.......

 ...................  June 19    John Force ( Among others)
      I am about hour and half away, ( i live in cleveland) maybe we can all 
hook up......SCOTT

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:28:11 -0400 (EDT)
From: vfquick442@webtv.net (markas)
Subject: Re: very Confused.

Have an all original 70 442 in Nugget Gold with 53 53 on plate and
corresponding code on build sheet .Any ideas as to why some did get
marked and some did not?

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:12:48 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Rallye 350 for sale

Hi Joe, 

Stupid question: What year is this car? 
Other questions: 
- - Did you purchase this car recently thru ebay? (no offense!)
- - Where are you located?

I am sure you will get some attention on the list!

Regards, George
- ----------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://www.geocities/MotorCity/Boulevard/8004/Cutlass.html
- ----------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 2 Jun 1999, Joe Varley wrote:

> Have a Rallye 350 F85 coupe, 4 speed, Am radio. Car has 53,000 miles. Was
> parked from '77 to '95. It is a western rust free car, painted in '98, with
> correct stripe kit, etc. A very nice car with W-31 option. We traced the
> car back to 6 months old and it had the W-31 option then. New correct
> Firestone wide ovals, clutch, seat covers and full exhaust system with 2
> chamber Flowmasters. Drive it home. Asking $16,500.00 obo. If not sold, we
> will have at Dallas.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Joe Varley
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:19:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: Low cost of steel

Let me tell you one thing: This country (US) is car heaven! When I was 
still living in Germany I had to PAY $100 that I got rid of my old car! 
This plus almoust 5 bucks per gallon of gasoline and tough inspections 
make the US look like Gearheads-Heaven!!! The only thing you may miss is 
the no-speed limit autobahn but well, mostly that thing is so full that 
people go slower then 70 miles/h, LOL.

Regards, 

George (happy to be in the US...)

- ----------------------------------------------------------
'68 Cuttlass S Conv. 
http://www.geocities/MotorCity/Boulevard/8004/Cutlass.html
- ----------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 2 Jun 1999 OLDS44272@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 6/2/99 9:49:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Zitoj@aol.com 
> writes:
> 
> << Well just took the majority of the rusted out 442 to the scrapyard. Went 
> in 
>  and told them I had a load of auto scrap.  They said to dump it over 
there.  
>  I asked if I should drive on the scales first and they told me that the 
> steel 
>  market was depressed and it wasn't worth anything. BUMMER.   >>
> 
> 
>                      I know the feeling. It might be all the talk about the 
> imported steel being sold below cost just to have customers. This week it 
> will be taking some cars to scrap yard, so i am sure it will cost me more in 
> gas than i will pocket from them...........         Scott 
>        -1990 Cutlass Supreme  << looking for an Internation or Grand Prix 
gtp 
> rear                             bucket seat set up>>
>       -1990 Lumina Apv family truckster
>       - 1980 chevy custom deluxe   nothing custom or deluxe about it, soon 
to 
> be riding on 265/75/15's.... 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:38:52 -0400
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: RE: norwalk/why people race Cutlasses

6 seconds?  Awww, that's nothing.  He's barley twice as fast as my car.  %0

Yeah, man, that would kick lots of ass!
There was some maniac that had a 90ish blown Supreme on the 97 Power Tour.
These guys drove it across the country!  It was not quite a six second car,
probably 9second car.  It was quite humorous driving behind it thinking, "I
hope he doesn't pop that parachute and make me lose my view of the highway."

Why are the 90's cutlasses so popular in drag racing?  Is some reason other
than the fact that they are Oldses and all should bow down and worship?
There's got to be something else.


Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
84 3.8 Calais
Bucks County, PA
mailto:costanzo@netcarrier.com
http://www.user1.netcarrier.com/~costanzo


> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of OLDS44272@aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 10:22 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Cc: harleysville@sovereignbank.com
> Subject: Re: norwalk
>
>
>        I just checked thier site ( www.norwalkraceway.com )  The
> page took
> awhile to load. But here is what i found... Aug 15th   Dick
> Miller Racing Inc
> "Olds power open"..          I will try to talk my friend into
> bringing his
> 1990 Supreme funny car. It is a 6 second car. Not sure what his
> costs would
> to run or if he will be at another race track chasing the
> money...........Funny car pics to come  soon.......
> .......
>
>  ...................  June 19    John Force ( Among others)
>       I am about hour and half away, ( i live in cleveland) maybe
> we can all
> hook up......SCOTT
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:44:05 EDT
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Indy H/O meet (was: INDY)

In a message dated 6/2/99 8:49:56 PM Central Daylight Time, 
hurstolds@duesouth.net writes:

<< Speaking of Indy, is there anyone on the list going to be at Indy in July 
for
 the H/O national meet? >>

I'll be there.

Jon

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 03 Jun 1999 20:48:21 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Low cost of steel

Zitoj@aol.com wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> Question to ponder .... If steel isn't woth anything why are cars so
> expensive these days??????

Because they are made out of everything but steel?  Lots of plastic and
aluminum.  Way too much silicone, IMHO.  Not nearly enough shag
carpeting :)

Sorry, I just read an old Czar (sp?) conversion ad featuring a Olds 98
that bragged about it's shag carpeting throughout.  Wonder if anyone on
the list has one of these?
- -- 

Cliff "Shagadellic" Simpson
mailto:csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442/400/th400/3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 21:55:03 -0500 (EST)
From: hurst455@webtv.net (Corey Putnam)
Subject: Re: Indy H/O meet (was: INDY)

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  I`ll be there too if they can get my engine back to me in time(and if
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In a message dated 6/2/99 8:49:56 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 22:58:56 -0400
From: "phil giannotta" <henkey@mich.com>
Subject: Fw: Car Craft Nowheresville

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Date: Wednesday, June 02, 1999 10:58 PM
Subject: Car Craft Nowheresville


Just got my July issue of car craft magazine. I usually enjoy this mag =
because it is geared towards build on a budget guys like myself and its =
written with a sense of humor. One thing I didn't find funny was the =
editor's letter. Mr.Freiburger tells us what vibes he is getting from =
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Pontiac he goes right down the line "AMC the next up and comer. Buick =
the big sleeper. Could Mercury be the next popular brand?"    Give me a =
break! Then he gets to Olds and starts off with "nowheresville,I don't =
see any action here, there's no real buzz about Olds right now."  Now I =
have only been an Olds owner for a few months and what I  see is many =
aftermarket resto companies spewing parts and catalogues at us Olds =
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 1999 23:12:31 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 8 track player????

LOUS69W30@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 6/2/99 4:28:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> dstaxpro@lex.infi.net writes:
> 
> <<  I have an 8-track, don't know if it would fit your 72, but it came out
>  > of my 75. Pics can be seen at:
>  > http://www.geocities.com:80/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/8BACK.JPG
>  > http://www.geocities.com:80/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/8WIRES.JPG
>  > http://www.geocities.com:80/SiliconValley/Vista/3973/8FRONT.JPG
>  Matt,
> 
>  That's a totally different unit I believe.  The 72 8 track mounts under
>  the dash and is separate from the radio which is up in the dash.  At
>  least every one I have ever seen is that way.
>   >>
> 
> The 8-track in the pictures appears to be an aftermarket unit. I remember
> those in the mid to late 70's.  A factory unit would not have the fuse holder
> on the power lead.
> The 8-track in my 69 mounts under the dash also.

Same on my 69 S also...

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 1999 23:12:39 -0400
From: "K. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re: Say what, Y-motor?

All I was saying was that I had installed a 148hp Olds 307 and have added
some parts that has the car running about 2-3 cars faster than a 442 85-87
H/O 83-84 and a Monte SS 83-87 but the car is not drivable on the highway so
I'm in the process of installing an OD 200R4 and that in the future I will
be installing an 69 Olds 350 The target HP that I am looking to get out of
the new engine should be about 350-400 hp.
sorry for any confusion with my post.

Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme


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From: Chris Brown Witt <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; me from myself
<wittchri@pilot>
Date: June 2, 1999 8:10 PM
Subject: Say what, Y-motor?


>I have a 84 307 Y code engine with cam headers RPM intake and a 3.73 w/
posi
>I am planning on adding a 350 in the spring of 2000 looking to get about
>375 - 400 hp  Right now it runs faster than a H/O 442 or SS (stock)
>
>Kevin Grant
>80 Cutlass Supreme
>============\
>Really, 1.5 HP/CID from a 307?
>Must be Canadian HP or something...

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