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oldsmobile-digest       Friday, April 30 1999       Volume 01 : Number 1933



HELP ON 305 V8!!!!
vin check: is this a 65 442?
1976 OLDS 442
oval vs round lower control arm bushings
Re: Theft deterrent systems..real world
Re: Theft deterrent systems
Re: Theft deterrent systems..real world
Re: Q-jet on 360 Mopar
Re: 68 2 DR HARD TOP LEAKS
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?
Coooool
Part Needed
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?
Re: oval vs round lower control arm bushings
UNBOUNCE: Need '69 Rear Side Marker
Re: Theft deterrent systems..real world  jeffy
Anyone looking for a 1965 442?
Re: Fwd: RE: underdrive pulleys
Re: Northern Virginia Olds Show
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?
Re: underdrive pulleys
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)
Re: What Holly for 455ci???
Drag strip question
Re: Theft deterrent systems..real world
'64 442 going
Fuel line materials
69 Cutlass Convert
Re: 455 for sale
Re: Mallory Unilite
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?
Re: Firewall Stamps question
Re: Mallory Unilite
Adjustable Vacuum Advance
Re: Cigrette Lighter and other tricks.
Re: Need one or two 1971 PO-1 hubcaps.
Re Gearless Good news
[Fwd: Q-P]
Parts for Sale, Where?
Speedo Gauge
Electrical Question
Re: Parts for Sale, Where?
Re: Electrical Question
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?
Re: Cutlass Brakes (fwd)
Re: oval vs round lower control arm bushings
Ford Rear Main Seal.
57 olds interiors
Ring Seating
Auto Meter Temp gauge 4sale
Unilite Module 4sale
Re: Only 1973 Toronado known to exist!
Car show
Re: 1970 W-31 Pace Car, whats it worth??
UNBOUNCE: '57 Olds Interiors
Re: Ring Seating
(no subject)
Re: (no subject)
Re: 455 for sale
68  roof
Re: Car show
Re: Ring Seating
Re: Who needs a belly laugh?
Re: Firewall Stamps question

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:07:49 +0200
From: t.reeder@una.net (Tamara Reeder)
Subject: HELP ON 305 V8!!!!

A friend of mine has an '83 olds Custom Cruiser with a 305 v8 and 4bbl
Quadrajet
I own a '77 Camaro with a 305 V8 and 2bbl
Question 1: Can I swap intakes and carbs?
Question 2: What KIND of 305 does the olds have? Is it a LG-3, LG-4 or
maybe even an L-69 HO? PLEASE HELP!
Send e-mail to: Mateo_Berg@Hotmail.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:07:06 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: vin check: is this a 65 442?

Can you # gurus please deciffer this for me:

338375M210112

TIA, George

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:21:00 -0400
From: "Canino, Gregory" <CaninoGJ@BP.COM>
Subject: 1976 OLDS 442

	WANTED: ONE (1) FACTORY DOGGY DISH HUBCAP FOR SUBJECT AUTO IN MINT
CONDITION/THANKS

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 11:21 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: oval vs round lower control arm bushings

I just know someone on the list can help me with this. I want to find 
lower control arms for my '72 Supreme that have the round lower 
control arm rubber bushings (my '72 has one oval and one round 
bushing, and Global West doesn't make a replacement Del-A-Lum oval 
bushing. After all the stories about poly bushings binding, squeaking, 
and deforming I'm going to try the Del-A-Lum ones.)

Two questions, one, what model years have lower control arms that 
interchange with my '72?  Two, which of these had the round bushings?

I found it fairly hard to ID the bushings while the A-arm was in the 
car last time I was in the junkyard, it is hard to tell if they are 
round or oval until you get the arm out of the car, and of course, at 
that point they always turn out to have oval bushings. There goes 
another hour of effort!

- -John Carri
'72 Supreme
'73 RoadRunner

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:33:18 EDT
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Theft deterrent systems..real world

In a message dated 4/29/99 2:04:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
acg_o@hotmail.com writes:

<< All this talk about zapping drivers, or even anyone who simply touches 
 the car from the outside, is fine and dandy, but I can see a couple of 
 problems here:
  >>
Lets stick to the real world stuff here......I enjoyed the magnetic type of 
theft deterrent. Hope I didn't delete a good response. No toggles or anything 
else, sounds like a good idea to me. My 69 Mach 1 will be on the road soon, 
then my 86,442. Anyone put a how-to-install type deal on the list yet?
TIA.
 Bernie            how bout that gordon lately??? :)

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:50:18 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Theft deterrent systems

In a message dated 04/29/1999 11:48:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sgadecki@yahoo.com writes:

<<  I wonder if there's a way to rig the driver's seat so that it shoots
 50,000 volts into whoever is in the seat if a certain button isn't held
 down or a toggle switch isn't shut off :^)  That would definitely stop
 the thief.  Only problem is that one time where you forget to do the
 switch thing yourself :^o
  >>

Great Idea!!  Except you would probably get sued for injuring the b*stard.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:07:31 EDT
From: TheBlue67@aol.com
Subject: Re: Theft deterrent systems..real world

<<  Bernie            how bout that gordon lately??? :) >>

he just wants to make this years title more exciting...... you know, lay back 
and then when everyone thinks he cant win it this season..... wammo, chalk up 
another title;)

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 12:04 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: Re: Q-jet on 360 Mopar

Igor Todorovic wrote:

>You all know how much I love carbs.  Well, since my 360 Dodge Van 
>needs a carb, I figure I should try the Q-jet of my 307.  It should 
>work, right. The chock might not hook-up, but I will go to electric 
>in that case or none at all.  The carb should bolt on and I guess 
>that accesories would be possible to bolt on as well.  What do you 
think?  Thanks guys.
- ------------------------------

Igor, Chrysler Corp. did in fact use the Rochester Quadrajet on 
small-block Mopar engines after about 1985 or so, so it's certainly 
possible. I don't know what changes were made from the GM version of 
the Q-jet to make it fit a Mopar, though.

Things I would look out for include the distance the throttle cable 
moves through from idle to full throttle - Mopar automatic 
transmissions have no vacuum modulator and get all their engine load 
information from the kick-down linkage connected to the carb throttle 
linkage. If the Q-jet differs from the ThermoQuad in the amount of 
this travel, you might end up with burnt-out transmission clutches 
(like using an improperly adjusted TV cable on the 4-speed GM 
automatics). Other differences include the location of the fuel inlet, 
choke mechanism, and the way the throttle linkage hooks up to the carb 
throttle shaft, these should be fairly easy to work around.

- -John Carri
'72 Supreme
'73 RoadRunner

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 15:20:33 EDT
From: VLHDancer@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 2 DR HARD TOP LEAKS

MY ROOF NEED TO BE REPLACED. CUTLASS 2 DR HARD TOP

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 13:26:21 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?

George wrote:
> 
> Can you # gurus please deciffer this for me:
> 
> 338375M210112

3=Olds

3837=dunno.  
3807=Cutlass Sport Coupe (possible 442)
3817=Cutlass Holiday Coupe (possible 442)
3867=Cutlass Convertible (possible 442)
5837=Delta 88 Holiday Coupe (not a 442) :'>

5=1965

M=Lansing

210112=110112 off of the line

This is from Drew's VIN decoder at: http://members.aol.com/drewinva/vin/  Are
you 100% sure of the VIN?  Is it a holiday coupe or a sport coupe or a
convertible?  That should help narrow down which digit is most likely
incorrect.

> TIA, George

Wish I could have helped,
- -- 
Cliff Simpson
mailto:csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 14:33:45 -0500 (CDT)
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?

Cliff, 

you sure have helped! Another question: 

What is the difference between a 65 Holiday Coupe and a sport coupe? 

I know the car is a 2dr hardtop if that is of any help. I got to verify 
the vin again. I am almoust sure it must be 3807 which would make it a 
sport coupe.

Why do you say it is "possibly" a 442? It is not a 100% sure from the 
vin? I know you can tell for some years for sure from the vin, not for 
65? ... got to read the FAQ... 

What would be the proof except the build sheet and the window 
sticker/sales receipt?

Thanks very much, any input appreciated!

George


On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Cliff Simpson wrote:

> 
> George wrote:
> > 
> > Can you # gurus please deciffer this for me:
> > 
> > 338375M210112
> 
> 3=Olds
> 
> 3837=dunno.  
> 3807=Cutlass Sport Coupe (possible 442)
> 3817=Cutlass Holiday Coupe (possible 442)
> 3867=Cutlass Convertible (possible 442)
> 5837=Delta 88 Holiday Coupe (not a 442) :'>
> 
> 5=1965
> 
> M=Lansing
> 
> 210112=110112 off of the line
> 
> This is from Drew's VIN decoder at: http://members.aol.com/drewinva/vin/  Are
> you 100% sure of the VIN?  Is it a holiday coupe or a sport coupe or a
> convertible?  That should help narrow down which digit is most likely
> incorrect.
> 
> > TIA, George
> 
> Wish I could have helped,
> -- 
> Cliff Simpson
> mailto:csimpson@ucalgary.ca
> '69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
> http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html
> 

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:07:45 -0400
From: "gjcouse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Coooool

Wooow, to scary. In contacting to close a mortgage and transfer funds that
will pull this all together, the # to call is: 000-442-4420 Cooooool.

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:43:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Part Needed

I'm looking for an OEM rear side marker light assembly for my son's '69
442. (Driver's side, if they are different.)

Since I'm not currently on list, please respond to:

sugarman@berkshire.net


Thank you,

Don Sugarman

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:44:56 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?

well its made in Lansing.....is there a 4V on the data plate...
 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/">HOT ROD HARRY'S OLDSMOBILES</A> 

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:47:52 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?

Holiday coupe is with no post in between front door and back window and sport 
coupe is with the post (sedan)......check the data plate.....
 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/">HOT ROD HARRY'S OLDSMOBILES</A> 

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:16:36 -0400
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: Re: oval vs round lower control arm bushings

John

        It's easy to tell if they are oval. You can easily see the rear bushing
while they are on the car. You may have to jack the car up. That's the only one
that's oval. All 64-72 GM A-body cars could have round bushings. We have some
sets if you need them.

Jim Chermack
C&M Classic Parts


At 07:21 AM 4/29/1999 , you wrote:
>I just know someone on the list can help me with this. I want to find 
>lower control arms for my '72 Supreme that have the round lower 
>control arm rubber bushings (my '72 has one oval and one round 
>bushing, and Global West doesn't make a replacement Del-A-Lum oval 
>bushing. After all the stories about poly bushings binding, squeaking, 
>and deforming I'm going to try the Del-A-Lum ones.)
>
>Two questions, one, what model years have lower control arms that 
>interchange with my '72?  Two, which of these had the round bushings?
>
>I found it fairly hard to ID the bushings while the A-arm was in the 
>car last time I was in the junkyard, it is hard to tell if they are 
>round or oval until you get the arm out of the car, and of course, at 
>that point they always turn out to have oval bushings. There goes 
>another hour of effort!
>
>-John Carri
>'72 Supreme
>'73 RoadRunner

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:19:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Need '69 Rear Side Marker

Not on the list, respond to sugarman@berkshire.net if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	The Sugarmans <sugarman@berkshire.net>
Subject: Part Needed


I'm looking for an OEM rear side marker light assembly for my son's '69
442. (Driver's side, if they are different.)

Since I'm not currently on list, please respond to:

sugarman@berkshire.net


Thank you,

Don Sugarman

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 17:18:15 EDT
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: Theft deterrent systems..real world  jeffy

In a message dated 4/29/99 3:10:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
TheBlue67@aol.com writes:

<< 
 Brent
 1967 Cutlass Convertible
  >>
 Dont tell me your a gordon fan, not a fellow 67 driver !!

Bernie

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 16:11:47 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Anyone looking for a 1965 442?

With all apologies to everyone, there is a nice looking '65 442 for sale on
"the site that has no name".  Supposedly numbers matching, fully restored, dark
red with tan interior.  Best of all, bidding is at $3,050 right now.

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=97566736 if anyone
cares.
- -- 

Cliff "wish'in I had some extra cash" Simpson
mailto:csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:13:29 -0400
From: "gjcouse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: RE: underdrive pulleys

> Our 5 piece v-belt pulley set in natural finish aluminum only is
> $236.00 plus shipping ($15.00).  To order with a credit card call 734-
> 946-9850 or send a check to 28884 Highland Road, Romulus, MI  48174.
> Thank you,
> Terry Straubel

I just called on these. They indeed are a 22% underdrive polished aluminum
set for crank, water pump and Alt with there included nut covers. Nothing
for the smog or power steering. They run $225 Part # 22505809 Didn't ask S&H
but get this, mentioned it came over the Olds list and the guy said "Olds
Club, huh, make that $200 for the set."  Cool. It is one in the same Batten
that makes out Aluminum heads. So, if anyone interested mention the Olds
Club!!!!!

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:14:13 -0400
From: "Jim and Sharon Brady" <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
Subject: Re: Northern Virginia Olds Show

I am seriously thinking about it.  I live on the Eastern Shore of MD but
will be in Annapolis on Saturday visiting the in-laws.  If we stay over
night I can make my way to Alexandria in about an hour.  Can't stay long but
it would be pretty cool to meet a few of you guys.

Jim Brady
1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible  OCA# 031463
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
bradyiii@shore.intercom.net
> >The Capitol City Rockets
> >Spring Dust-Off
> >Car Show and Swap Meet
> >
> >10:00am to 3:00pm Sunday May 2,1999
> >
> >At Stohlman Oldsmobile
> >200 South Pickett Street
> >Alexandria, VA
> >
> >This is not a judged show. It is open to _all_ Oldsmobiles, projects to
> trailer
> >queens. There will be food and a D.J.. Swap meet spaces are available.
> Contact
> >Jim Stohlman at 703-751-9100 to reserve your space.
> >

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:33:12 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?

In a message dated 4/29/99 1:43:17 PM Central Daylight Time, 
cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu writes:

<< 
 Can you # gurus please deciffer this for me:
 
 338375M210112
 
 TIA, George
  >>
  It is impossible to tell, by the VIN, if it is a real 65 442 or not.  You 
will need to find all the correct hardware on the car,...even then, it 
doesn't mean much. My 442 clone has EVERY peice of correct hardware. The only 
real way to tell is with a copy of the bill of sale or the build sheet. ...of 
course this is as far as I know.

Collyn   numerous real and fake 442's...all 65's

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:57:12 EDT
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: underdrive pulleys

In a message dated 4/29/99 6:15:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
gjcouse@francomm.com writes:

<< Olds
 Club, huh, make that $200 for the set."  Cool. It is one in the same Batten
 that makes out Aluminum heads. So, if anyone interested mention the Olds
 Club!!!!! >>

That's cause our local Detroit club "Detroit Street Rockets" have supported 
Batten and they in turn are willing to deal somewhat with us.

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442  

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:04:37 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)

In a message dated 4/29/99 6:39:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GT5726@aol.com 
writes:

<< It is impossible to tell, by the VIN, if it is a real 65 442 or not.  You 
 will need to find all the correct hardware on the car,...even then, it 
 doesn't mean much. My 442 clone has EVERY peice of correct hardware. The 
only 
 real way to tell is with a copy of the bill of sale or the build sheet. 
...of 
 course this is as far as I know. >>
 Since the car you are looking at is from Lansing....the majority of 442s 
that came out of there have a 4V code on the data plate..that is for the 442 
trim
with the side scoops.... 66s had it too , I think with a 5V code 
 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/">HOT ROD HARRY'S OLDSMOBILES</A> 
Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:31:19 EDT
From: QWKCUTLASS@aol.com
Subject: Re: What Holly for 455ci???

In a message dated 4/29/99 8:24:51 AM EST, gjcouse@francomm.com writes:

<< your  >>
Hey, i'm runnin a 800 double pumper, with 88s in rean and 80 i fronts jet 
wise, your jets will depend on yur camp and comp ratio...there is a special 
bracket for the TV cable also, bowtie overdrives in Hisperia Ca makes them.

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:38:55 -0400
From: Rebel1 <rebel1@raex.com>
Subject: Drag strip question

Hey guys,
    Does anyone know what the formula is to calculate the "corrected" numbers 
for
sea level - when you have results from an elevated track?  A friend of mine is
trying desperately to find this info, so any help would be appreciated!
Todd Daenzer
'69 rag top - 310hp tied to a Jetaway and 2.73's :-(

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 18:50:41 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Theft deterrent systems..real world

><<  Bernie            how bout that gordon lately??? :) >>
>
>he just wants to make this years title more exciting...... you know, lay
back
>and then when everyone thinks he cant win it this season..... wammo, chalk
up
>another title;)
>
>Brent


It's more like the bad luck he hasn't had for the last several years is
finally catching up with him.  I wonder who's going to T-bone him in
California?  LOL

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:57:08 -0400
From: "gjcouse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: '64 442 going

Found a '64 442 going on a different auction.


http://auctions.fairmarket.com/Scripts/ListingInfo.asp?LotNo=131603&SiteCatN
o=3

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:57:25 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Fuel line materials

Posted this about a week ago, but it got lost in cyber-Oz.
Since there's still remnants of the topic floating about, I'll put it out
again.

Looking thru my 85 Olds Chassis Service Manual, I found this under "Fuel And
Vapor Pipes" ;

    "If replacement of a fuel feed pipe or vapor pipe is required, use
brazed seamless steel tubing meeting GM Specification 124M, or equivalent."
    "Under no conditions use copper or aluminum tubing to replace steel
tubing. Those materials do not have satisfactory durability to withstand
normal vehicle vibrations and corrosion."

Just a word of caution.

drc

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 19:55:59 -0400
From: "M. Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: 69 Cutlass Convert

Saw a sharp looking, blue 69 'vert on Wickham Ave, Melbourne, FL on the way
home from work tonight. Anyone on the List know or own this one?
==============================================
Mick Gillespie, Melbourne, FL
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/~mgillespie/oldspage.htm
==============================================

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:06:41 EDT
From: CChand4644@aol.com
Subject: Re: 455 for sale

Corey, 
Don't want to sound like a jerk.. But 500 for your original moter?Hopefully 
you will wait a couple of months and save the  money. In my area, it is hard 
to find a 455 block for much less than $250 not much less an original. Man, 
wait for the cash, keep the original.
Sincerely,
Chris

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:11:04 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Mallory Unilite

> Several people on the list mentioned problems with Unilites.  Check out
> this site for more info, http://users.yellowsub.net/gonzo/igntons.html.
>
On the other hand, I've read posts on other lists/BBS's of people who
have 10 to 12-plus years on a Unilite and still running strong.  This is
not a flame, nor am I trying to turn indulge in non-Olds content, just
trying to balance the story.

- --
Thomas P. Smith
  1971 Cutlass S: 350 Rocket/TH350/Edelbrock OL4B/dual exhaust/
        sometimes Q-Jet, sometimes Holley/Mallory Unilite Conversion.
  1988 Plymouth Voyager 3.0:  Ummm...Let me think of something.

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:13:35 -0400
From: Dave Tucker <dwtucker@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?

George,

I have a 65 442 convertible, so here goes....

3 = Olds
3837 = F85 Cutlass Holiday Coupe
5 = 1965
M = Lansing, MI
210112 = Serial Number

Good Luck

L8R,

Dave Tucker

1965 Olds 4-4-2 Convertible 4-Speed (Target Red)
1999 Olds Alero GLS Coupe (Bright Red)
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
To: OldsML <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 2:07 PM
Subject: vin check: is this a 65 442?


>
> Can you # gurus please deciffer this for me:
>
> 338375M210112
>
> TIA, George
>
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:27:40 -0400
From: Dave Tucker <dwtucker@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?

George,

One more thing, if it is a true 442, it will have boxes rear control arms.
Non 442's do not have these.  Check the engine parts, heads, intake, exhaust
for ID numbers and verify they are matching.  442's have unique engine guts,
like cams, valves, cranks, etc.  You may not open the engine, but you can
learn allot by crawling around in and under the car.

Check for all the ID plates, be sure they are correct.  A clone is easy to
reproduce for someone who really wants to do it, but it is a ton of work to
find all the right parts.  If one piece is missing, you need to wonder.

Good Luck

L8R,

Dave Tucker

1965 Olds 4-4-2 Convertible 4-Speed (Target Red)
1999 Olds Alero GLS Coupe (Bright Red)
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: George <cutlass@one.camd.lsu.edu>
To: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Cc: OldsML <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?


>
> Cliff,
>
> you sure have helped! Another question:
>
> What is the difference between a 65 Holiday Coupe and a sport coupe?
>
> I know the car is a 2dr hardtop if that is of any help. I got to verify
> the vin again. I am almoust sure it must be 3807 which would make it a
> sport coupe.
>
> Why do you say it is "possibly" a 442? It is not a 100% sure from the
> vin? I know you can tell for some years for sure from the vin, not for
> 65? ... got to read the FAQ...
>
> What would be the proof except the build sheet and the window
> sticker/sales receipt?
>
> Thanks very much, any input appreciated!
>
> George
>
>
> On Thu, 29 Apr 1999, Cliff Simpson wrote:
>
> >
> > George wrote:
> > >
> > > Can you # gurus please deciffer this for me:
> > >
> > > 338375M210112
> >
> > 3=Olds
> >
> > 3837=dunno.
> > 3807=Cutlass Sport Coupe (possible 442)
> > 3817=Cutlass Holiday Coupe (possible 442)
> > 3867=Cutlass Convertible (possible 442)
> > 5837=Delta 88 Holiday Coupe (not a 442) :'>
> >
> > 5=1965
> >
> > M=Lansing
> >
> > 210112=110112 off of the line
> >
> > This is from Drew's VIN decoder at: http://members.aol.com/drewinva/vin/
Are
> > you 100% sure of the VIN?  Is it a holiday coupe or a sport coupe or a
> > convertible?  That should help narrow down which digit is most likely
> > incorrect.
> >
> > > TIA, George
> >
> > Wish I could have helped,
> > --
> > Cliff Simpson
> > mailto:csimpson@ucalgary.ca
> > '69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
> > http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html
> >
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:31:08 -0400
From: Dave Tucker <dwtucker@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Firewall Stamps question

I did this recently to read the numbers on my tag which was painted
over.....

Take some silly putty, gum, etc. and press it against the Tag.  The numbers
and the letters will emboss right into the putty.  Then gently pull it off
and simply read it....  The 3's and 8's are tough, but you can figure it
out.  It worked for me.

Good Luck....

L8R,

Dave Tucker

1965 Olds 4-4-2 Convertible 4-Speed (Target Red)
1999 Olds Alero GLS Coupe (Bright Red)
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Zeilmanns@aol.com>
To: <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 1999 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: Firewall Stamps question


> Thanks a bunch Randy for the reply, but I guess my question was not clear
> enough.  The information I put in my message was taken directly off the
cowl
> tag.  I know how to decipher the cowl tag, but the information I am
looking
> for are the PAINT stamps that are put on the firewall during production.
The
> two on my 69 Cutlass convertible are a yellow "N" in a 2in. X 2in. yellow
> box, and a light green "B" in a 2in. X 2in. light green box.  Both are
> located just to the right of the big black A/C condenser cover that mounts
to
> the firewall, and just to the left of the center of the firewall.
>
> On my 4-4-2, someone painted over these with flat black paint, making them
> impossible to read.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Again, here some of the pertinent info on my 4-4-2:
>
> I have a dark metallic blue 1969 Olds 4-4-2 w/ light. blue interior.  The
VIN
> # is 344879M238073.  It was made in Lansing in 1969. It is has no vinyl
roof,
> and came with PS, PB, AC and the standard 4-4-2 package.  The plate on the
> firewall has the following info on it:
>
> ST69  33687LAN237774  BDY
> TR933     51    51    PNT
>
> Here are my questions:
> What stamps should be on my firewall (ie. what letters)?
> What color were they?
> Where should they be placed?
>
> Some fool that had the car before me painted over them all, and I have no
way
> of telling.  I have the car in the shop right now, and the guy building
the
> engine is being nice enough to let me detail the engine compartment while
the
> engine is out, but I don't know what to re-stamp the firewall with.
Anyone
> know?
>
> Jeff
>
> '69 4-4-2
> '69 Cutlass Convertible
> zeilmanns@aol.com
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:53:41 -0400
From: retrorockets <retrorockets@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Mallory Unilite

Thomas,

Very true.  A member of our Olds club has a good running '67 442 conv 4-speed
with a Unilite and he's very happy with it. (To further balance the story.)

Dude

"Thomas P. Smith" wrote:

> > Several people on the list mentioned problems with Unilites.  Check out
> > this site for more info, http://users.yellowsub.net/gonzo/igntons.html.
> >
> On the other hand, I've read posts on other lists/BBS's of people who
> have 10 to 12-plus years on a Unilite and still running strong.  This is
> not a flame, nor am I trying to turn indulge in non-Olds content, just
> trying to balance the story.
>
> --
> Thomas P. Smith
>   1971 Cutlass S: 350 Rocket/TH350/Edelbrock OL4B/dual exhaust/
>         sometimes Q-Jet, sometimes Holley/Mallory Unilite Conversion.
>   1988 Plymouth Voyager 3.0:  Ummm...Let me think of something.

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:13:39 -0400
From: retrorockets <retrorockets@snet.net>
Subject: Adjustable Vacuum Advance

Is anybody running an adjustable vacuum advance like the ones from Crane
of Accel?  Seems like a good way to try to control pinging on the older
high compression engines.

Can you adjust the rate at which timing is advanced or just the vacuum
point at which advance starts?

I'm thinking of trying one of these.

Dude

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:07:37 -0400
From: Scott Parker <sparker442@banet.net>
Subject: Re: Cigrette Lighter and other tricks.

Go for it Gary.  That would be the most comprehensive theft deterrent there is.
I'd love to see the schematic for the automatic cuffs 8-)...
Scott

gjcouse wrote:

> Scott Parker Wrote:
>
> Has anyone in other parts of the country heard of "LoJack"?  I think it may
> be
> peculiar to the Northeast, but it's a transmitter that is hidden in the car
> (only the installer knows where it is) that the cops can activate upon
> notification.  Then they track the car down with special gear in the
> cruisers.
> They sell thousands of these systems around here for $600 a whack.
>
> In the matter of these said $600 Lojack
>
> I can't believe they get $600 for these. I don't think there's $50 worth of
> electronics in them. After all, If you buy one for $100 it's the cops that
> turn the transmitter on making there jobs easier (and quicker too). But
> $600. ? For that money I want some onboard functionality like a siren maybe
> auto hand cuffs. etc. Heck it should have a pin # you enter that allows it
> to know it you. If the car moves without proper pin than when a cop car
> receiver P/U's the lojack signal they automatically stop the car and check
> the driver for "right to drive".  So long as the LoJack program was
> standardized as to transmission wave length, than you could take your car
> anyway and the cops will be able to pull your Lojack info for checking.
> Traveling with Quincy to shows with Quincy spending night parked out side
> the ole motel, I'd feel more car secure anywhere then. Huummm, I sniff a
> money maker. Gary....
>
> -----Regards,
>
> Gary J. Couse
> Couse Custom's
>
> ICQ# 5209322
> gjcouse@francomm.com
> gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com
>
> Custom Conversion Prototype:
> CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
> http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:21:05 -0500
From: Robert Bishop <rbishop@iamerica.net>
Subject: Re: Need one or two 1971 PO-1 hubcaps.

Charles, thanks for waiting so long. I was positive I had still had these
hubcaps. Looked all over, can't find them. If you got any other responses,
perhaps you should check with them.

Sorry to get your hopes up, but I'll keep you e-mail address in case I
should see any, I'll keep my eyes open.

Thanks,

Robert Bishop

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:56:48 -0400
From: "R. Grant" <kgrant442@home.com>
Subject: Re Gearless Good news

The Cutlass went up on the hoist today the posi & ring & pinion were removed
and were found to be in good condition, and no fault could be found. The oil
looked bad and a different additive will be used, hopefully this will solve
any clutch chatter that I was having before. It looks like some of the noise
was coming from the driveshaft rubbing the exhaust, but the Mech. said he
will set up the rear a bit different to try and reduce any play in the used
ring & pinion just incase that was part of the problem (sorry not sure of
the exact terms that were used to describe the new set up) something about
readjusting the gear lash and preload of the pinion. So I should be getting
the car back tomorrow some times you get lucky, so I should only be out
about 200$ Can for the work. Well that's better than 1200$ any day. I must
put a plug in for the shop as this gentleman has helped me out quite a bit
with my 80 Cutlass. If anyone should need any work done and live in or
around Toronto call
David Stirk Ent. (DSE Automotive LTD)
located on Hwy 10 Brampton
(905) 846-2682
As far as I know he has put together some fast cars and has the best
reputation in the Brampton and surrounding area for his work with Drag, &
Street cars

Kevin Grant
80 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 20:59:28 -0500
From: Wyatt <Wyatt@jobax.net>
Subject: [Fwd: Q-P]

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Here is a guy not on the list as far as I can tell, who has the rear
half of a 70 4-4-2 body for sale.  I don't know anything about it other
than what info he has in the following.  Contact him at:
Beermedave@aol.com

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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 dont really need money, but do need parts, aftermarket intake for a 455 
early, ram air hood, his/her shifter, rally 350 grills........ or whatever 
fair market value is for rear sheetmetal. its located in socal a little drive 
from you i believe.  the condition is excellent just some easy fix dings from 
cutting and moving itno rust other than on the cuts i believe the rear window 
is rust free and the lower rear is clean its possible to get a digital camera 
and take pictures and e-mail them to you. dave


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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:15:08 -0400
From: retrorockets <retrorockets@snet.net>
Subject: Parts for Sale, Where?

If you're selling Olds parts, please say where you're from.  A good deal
in Oregon gets a little expensive here in Connecticut.  Thanks

Dude

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:08:34 EDT
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Speedo Gauge

	Could someone take a look at a 1970 speedometer gauge. The back of my 
speedo gauge has four pins that hook into a harness, but the harness has five 
pins. This is out of a 1970. The reason I ask, when I hooked it up, the high 
beam light didn't go on, and one of my turn signal greens didn't go on 
either. The turn signals work fine and the bright lights do go on, but I 
can't figure out why there would be five connectors in the harness, and only 
four pins on the back of the gauge. If someone has one handy, could you 
please take a look and respond to me if it has four pins or five? The car is 
a '70 Cutlass.
As always!
Thanks!
Jim McKeague
1970 Rallye 350
1970 Cutlass S W-31
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html">Welcome to Dr.Olds Page
</A> 

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:10:41 EDT
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Electrical Question

	Only one of my back-up lights work. The bulbs are fine, and the 
sockets good. They did work and then all of the sudden the one stopped 
working. Any ideas? The wire is hooked up.
Thanks,
Jim McKeague
1970 Rallye 350
1970 Cutlass S W-31
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/DROLDS350/W45.html">Welcome to Dr.Olds Page
</A> 

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Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 22:17:33 -0400
From: Brian Shankle <cshankle@home.com>
Subject: Re: Parts for Sale, Where?

$1400 can get you a really good parts car (86 CSB) in New Jersey.  That
is, if you reply tonight and are interested.  It is going to be donated
to a charity tomorrow.  I could even drive it to you or you could come
get it and drive it back.  Darn good parts car but not much for a daily
runner.  Rusty bodies have adverse effects on everything.
Brian.

retrorockets wrote:
> 
> If you're selling Olds parts, please say where you're from.  A good deal
> in Oregon gets a little expensive here in Connecticut.  Thanks
> 
> Dude

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:28:48 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Electrical Question

> Only one of my back-up lights work. The bulbs are fine, and the 
>sockets good. They did work and then all of the sudden the one stopped 
>working. Any ideas? The wire is hooked up.
>Thanks,
>Jim McKeague
>1970 Rallye 350
>1970 Cutlass S W-31


Jim, are you sure the sockets are good?  I went round and round
with the ones on my 72 to trace it down to a broken spring.  If the
spring that pushes the contact towards the bulb breaks it will still
look fine but won't make contact all the time.  If that checks out
get a trouble light and make sure your getting voltage to the contact.
If that checks out it has to be your ground.  Good luck.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:28:48 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?

Cliff Simpson wrote:

> > 338375M210112
> 
> 3=Olds
> 
> 3837=dunno.
> 3807=Cutlass Sport Coupe (possible 442)
> 3817=Cutlass Holiday Coupe (possible 442)
> 3867=Cutlass Convertible (possible 442)
> 5837=Delta 88 Holiday Coupe (not a 442) :'>
>  
> This is from Drew's VIN decoder at: http://members.aol.com/drewinva/vin/  

And is horribly incorrect - sorry Drew!

3807 does not exist - the correct model number for an F-85 Cutlass 2door
Sports Coupe is 3827.  38 is the F-85 Cutlass, 27 for the Sports Coupe.

3817 doesn't exist either, correct code for an F-85 Cutlass Holiday
coupe is 3837.  Again, 38 for the F-85 Cutlass, 37 for the Holiday
coupe.

3867 is correct for the F-85 Cutlass convertible.

All this from the "Standard catalog of Oldsmobile"

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:31:25 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Cutlass Brakes (fwd)

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> This came to me personally; forwarding.
> 
> I have a '95 Olds Cutlass Convertible and the mechanic is having a hard time
> making the pedal hard. He's replaced the rear pads and claims to have bled
> the system twice. Still no pedal. As a matter of fact the car has a very
> hard time stopping under "panic" situations. Can you offer some suggestions?
> 
> Curt Bender

Haven't I heard that they had problems with the rear calipers seizing up
on these units?  Something about them being lubricated by the brake
fluid and they end up rusting up...

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:53:35 -0500
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: oval vs round lower control arm bushings

hmmmmm a friends 72 camino also had one of each strange every car I have had
has had matching ones but I ocassionally see mismatches  anyway I will look
and see what I can find...KK
- ----- Original Message -----
From: John Carri <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 1999 6:20 AM
Subject: oval vs round lower control arm bushings


> I just know someone on the list can help me with this. I want to find
> lower control arms for my '72 Supreme that have the round lower
> control arm rubber bushings (my '72 has one oval and one round
> bushing, and Global West doesn't make a replacement Del-A-Lum oval
> bushing. After all the stories about poly bushings binding, squeaking,
> and deforming I'm going to try the Del-A-Lum ones.)
>
> Two questions, one, what model years have lower control arms that
> interchange with my '72?  Two, which of these had the round bushings?
>
> I found it fairly hard to ID the bushings while the A-arm was in the
> car last time I was in the junkyard, it is hard to tell if they are
> round or oval until you get the arm out of the car, and of course, at
> that point they always turn out to have oval bushings. There goes
> another hour of effort!
>
> -John Carri
> '72 Supreme
> '73 RoadRunner
>
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 21:55:42 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Dr. Olds - K. Wood)
Subject: Ford Rear Main Seal.

Ok.  What the heck... The new Ford two piece
neoprene rear main seal is in my 455.  I guess
I will get over the fact that it is for a ford, because it is made by
FelPro which also makes
the Olds seals... So anyway, I will let you all know first hand in a few
days if it holds oil or not.  Also will be doing a little experimenting
with my new transmission.  

Maybe you guys can tell me what a variable
pitch TH400 may have originally come from?
I have one now.  The guy that ordered it built
and couldn't afford it will probably miss it, but
I'll try to have fun with it for him.

Any input on the trans would be interesting...

Thanks,
Kevin D. Wood
Dr-Olds@webtv.net

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:17:30 -0000
From: "tom waltz" <impalas@bright.net>
Subject: 57 olds interiors

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:38:01 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Ring Seating

What is the normal time/procedure for ring seating. I heard anywhere from
500 miles to 1000 miles. I heard that standard iron ring seats quick but
plasma moly and other hi-po rings take longer to seat. 

Also varying the engine RPM from 1000-3500RPM is what is needed for good
ring seating. A constant steady RPM is not recommended.

Comments???


Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:43:27 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Auto Meter Temp gauge 4sale

I am selling a brand new Auto Meter 2 5/8" electrical water temperature
gauge. The box was opened but  everything is there. The design is called
Sport Comp. Black foreground with white lettering. Goes for $38.00 brand
new. Asking $25.00. Located near Chicgo, IL..

E-Mail privately....
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 00:46:08 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Unilite Module 4sale

I am selling a Mallory Unilite module for the Comp 9000 Unilite Breakerless
Ignition. I bought a new eye and found out that my ignition problem had
nothing to do with the eye. I can't return it to the store because they
don't return electrical items. They go for $90.00 brand new. Will sell for
$40.00.

E-Mail Privately....

Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:45:49 -0700
From: "Mike Sealey" <ninetyeight@angelfire.com>
Subject: Re: Only 1973 Toronado known to exist!

 
- --

On Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:13:00   CUTLASS442 wrote:

>I emailed him regarding his "rare" toro. He replied back three times so far. 
>Below are a couple of his responses. I guess I should get a toro because 
>according to him a cutlass is a girls car........lololololololol
>
>Richard 
>1967 "Oldsmobuick" Cutlass
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>Only one known to exist!?!?!?!?!?!?!? Better check the books again. There 
>was 
>>55,920 Toros built in '73. Sorry to burst your bubble on such a "rare" car 
>>but there is a reason you haven't got any bids on it.
>
>It's big, it's green, I love it, it's the only one in San Jose
>
>Lennox Sweeney                  408-257-9424
>1398 Miller Av                  lummox@best.com
>San Jose CA 95129
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>Burst my bubble? I love driving a eldo copy from 1973 that only has 59000 
>miles
>
>Lennox Sweeney                  408-257-9424
>1398 Miller Av                  lummox@best.com
>San Jose CA 95129
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>How many still exist with 56000 original mailes?
>I also alway thought a cutlass was a girl's car!
>
>Lennox Sweeney                  408-257-9424
>1398 Miller Av                  lummox@best.com
>San Jose CA 95129
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Did "Lummox" (he said it, I didn't) account for the 
3,000 extra miles he cites in one of his posts?

Mike Sealey
'69 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 01:46:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim-Bow@webtv.net (James M)
Subject: Car show

Hi List
On May 28.29,30th. there's a car show, swap meet, car corral, flea
market at the Big-M. in Churchville Md. They have fireworks sat. night,
and give out trophies on sunday. For list in tri-state area, or who ever
what's to come. They have food, live music and a good time there.
Directions, coming from Baltimore, 95 N. or Del. S. Aberdeen exit, go
west on route 22, 5 miles, to fairgrounds on left. Phone# 410-879-5558
or 410-734-4370. I'll be there, ras-berry pearl omega,1973.

Jim-Bow   73 Omega

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 22:52:33 -0700
From: "Mike Sealey" <ninetyeight@angelfire.com>
Subject: Re: 1970 W-31 Pace Car, whats it worth??

 
- --

On Sat, 24 Apr 1999 21:38:00   RANDY A GEISEL wrote:


>Off by a year, Mike.
>
>1970 was paced by 442
>1971 was paced by a Mopar of some sort. That's the one the driver crashed
>going into the pits.
>1972 Olds again!

Yeay, that was the Challenger.  (Oops)

Mike Sealey
'69 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 06:23:11 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '57 Olds Interiors

Does Fusick's supply these? Respond to impalas@bright.net if you can
assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	"tom waltz" <impalas@bright.net>
Subject: 57 olds interiors

dear sir, do you know if interiors are pre manfactured by anyone for 57 =
olds88 convertables, i need front and rear matching seat covers and all =
4 door panels and arm rest material. Or do I have to buy the material by =
the bolt and take it to an interior shop and have it handcrafted? Any =
h*lp is appreciated.
                                                     thanks
                                             Tom Waltz, medina ohio
                                            impalas@bright.net=20

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 05:55:54 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Ring Seating

>What is the normal time/procedure for ring seating. I heard anywhere from
>500 miles to 1000 miles. I heard that standard iron ring seats quick but
>plasma moly and other hi-po rings take longer to seat. 
>
>Also varying the engine RPM from 1000-3500RPM is what is needed for good
>ring seating. A constant steady RPM is not recommended.
>
>Comments???
>
>
>Pettrix@prodigy.net


Peter,
It's not so much that moly rings take longer to seat as that they
need a better surface to  seat to.  A cast ring will seat on an
out of round bore more readily and also on one that has a 
poorer cross-hatch in the honing surface.  If the machine work
is done properly the moly rings will be seated just as quickly
as the cast (closer to 500 miles than 1,000).  And, yes you want
to vary rpm because you don't want the engine to be used to
one set of load conditions.  I have heard stories of engines that
were severely babied during break in and would never spin over
3,000 rpm without blowing oil.  

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:00:46 EDT
From: VLHDancer@aol.com
Subject: (no subject)

I NEED A RUST FREE ROOF FOR MY 1968 CUTLASS 2 DR HARD TOP. IN FLORIDA THEY 
RUST WHERE THE WINDSHIELDS GLUE ON. HELP

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:49:31 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: (no subject)

The roof does not have to come from a 68, the 68 -71 roof will fit it depends
where you cut at the back. I had to put a new roof on mine 4 years ago ended
up with a 69 roof. after checking arround I found out that those years will
fit. Try this place Old Gold            1 352-542-8085 he is pricey located in
Old town fl. also in S.C. sundell auto parts 1-704-434-6759        Butch  68
442  post

VLHDancer@aol.com wrote:

> I NEED A RUST FREE ROOF FOR MY 1968 CUTLASS 2 DR HARD TOP. IN FLORIDA THEY
> RUST WHERE THE WINDSHIELDS GLUE ON. HELP

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:54:26 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: 455 for sale

I agree. If that is the matching numbers original engine, KEEP IT! Put it
in the corner and cover it up. Someday you may want to put the car back to
original. Face it, they didn't make a whole mess of '75 W-30 H/Os. As that
car gets older the more it will be worth, especially if the original engine
is intact. You'll kick yourself in the ass this time next year when that
original 455 and the 500 bucks you got for it are long gone.
My opinion.

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455
'74 Omega project





At 08:06 PM 4/29/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Corey, 
>Don't want to sound like a jerk.. But 500 for your original moter?Hopefully 
>you will wait a couple of months and save the  money. In my area, it is hard 
>to find a 455 block for much less than $250 not much less an original. Man, 
>wait for the cash, keep the original.
>Sincerely,
>Chris
>

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:54:09 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: 68  roof

B. Vosburgh wrote:

> The roof does not have to come from a 68, the 68 -71 roof will fit it depends
> where you cut at the back. I had to put a new roof on mine 4 years ago ended
> up with a 69 roof. after checking arround I found out that those years will
> fit. Try this place Old Gold            1 352-542-8085 he is pricey located 
in
> Old town fl. also in S.C. sundell auto parts 1-704-434-6759        Butch  68
> 442  post
>
> VLHDancer@aol.com wrote:
>
> > I NEED A RUST FREE ROOF FOR MY 1968 CUTLASS 2 DR HARD TOP. IN FLORIDA THEY
> > RUST WHERE THE WINDSHIELDS GLUE ON. HELP

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:58:45 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Car show

I'll be there too. Scary cranberry red, black striped '70 Camaro. 355/TH350

Omega Man

'74 Omegas



At 01:46 AM 4/30/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi List
>On May 28.29,30th. there's a car show, swap meet, car corral, flea
>market at the Big-M. in Churchville Md. They have fireworks sat. night,
>and give out trophies on sunday. For list in tri-state area, or who ever
>what's to come. They have food, live music and a good time there.
>Directions, coming from Baltimore, 95 N. or Del. S. Aberdeen exit, go
>west on route 22, 5 miles, to fairgrounds on left. Phone# 410-879-5558
>or 410-734-4370. I'll be there, ras-berry pearl omega,1973.
>
>Jim-Bow   73 Omega
>
>

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:44:24 -0500
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Ring Seating

iron rings seat at about 500 miles moly rings seat in the first fifteen
minutes of run time chromoly rings take 1500 miles to seat varied rpm is
best under load not free revs
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 12:38 AM
Subject: Ring Seating


> What is the normal time/procedure for ring seating. I heard anywhere from
> 500 miles to 1000 miles. I heard that standard iron ring seats quick but
> plasma moly and other hi-po rings take longer to seat.
>
> Also varying the engine RPM from 1000-3500RPM is what is needed for good
> ring seating. A constant steady RPM is not recommended.
>
> Comments???
>
>
> Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:50:47 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Who needs a belly laugh?

...Obviously Joe P. spent some time in front of the tube as a youngster,
probably
ogling Catwoman like the rest of us :)
_________

Shhhh!  Not only is my secret out, but you're getting awfully close to finding
out my real age, too...  ;-)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:56:01 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Firewall Stamps question

By using a "consumer grade" paint stripper, you
should be able to remove the top coat that was painted
over the original.  And very possibly expose any original
firewall paint/markings....
_______

Good advice, Greg.  In fact, on my 70 W-30, a prior owner had spray-bombed the
firewall with black, and apparently had not taken the time to properly clean 
the
surface first.  Imagine my surprise when I power washed the engine, and this
cheesy black paint came off, exposing the original yellow and turquoise stamps.
This is obviously a Lansing car, though I'd have to check on the actual letters
used - I seem to recall R and G, but memory has failed me in the past.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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