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oldsmobile-digest         Sunday, May 2 1999         Volume 01 : Number 1936



Re: Smoking Alternator??
Re: Frame off
'67 442 need info
Re: '67 442 need info
Re: 1971 442 W30
Re: 1971 442 W30
Re: 1971 442 W30
Re: cams & mufflers
Re: 1971 442 W30
Re: cams & mufflers
Re: 69 4-4-2 Firewall paint stamps
RE: Do tell.
Re: '67 442 need info
Resend A/C Panel Troubles
Re: '68 High vol. alum water pump
Re: Ring Seating
Re: 70 Cutlass (value)
Re: '67 442 need info
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)
Re: Ring Seating
Re: Smoking Alternator??
Paging Steve Kinney  wasRe: 69 4-4-2 Firewall paint stamps
Re: cams & mufflers
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)
Re: cams & mufflers
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)
Re: cams & mufflers
Re: 1953 Olds Fiesta
Re: 1953 Olds Fiesta
442 on My Classic Car on TNN right now!
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)
Hey Guys.
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)
Enjoy your Weekend.
Re: 69 4-4-2 Firewall paint stamps
Re: '67 442 need info
Valve to piston clearance.
Re: cams & mufflers
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)
Re: '67 442 need info
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(gears)
Someone Needed a 71 W-30 Carb.
Help identifying rear end!
Re: '67 442 need info
Electrical Question..
Parking lights, long (was: Brake and tail lights problem '68 Cutlass)
Re: Valve to piston clearance.
Smoothie Q-Jet.  was: Q-jet on 360 Mopar
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
UNBOUNCE: H*lp identifying rear end!
Re: Regarding the original Cigrette Lighter trick.
Drag Strip Question.
Do Tell
Re: Enjoy your Weekend.
Re: Do Tell
Re: Do Tell
OCA Web Site Updated
Re: toro suspension travel
AC availability
Paint Recomendations
cancel
Re: Paint Recomendations
power window install advice needed
Re: Valve to piston clearance.
Re: Paint Recomendations
Re: Do tell.
Re: '67 442 need info

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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 07:32:43 -0500
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Smoking Alternator??

well to be honest BW should stick to transmissions and clutches, the
Regulator is an electronic part they can burn out or go bad at any time with
no reason and no warning happens all the time
get a good AC/DELCO replacement or one from standard electric and should be
no problem...KK
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Peter Landowski <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 1999 1:06 AM
Subject: Smoking Alternator??


> I drove my 72 to the track (Route 66 Joliet, IL) and I came across a
> problem when I got there. I have an Auto Meter volt gauge and the read
> about 14.5 Volts while driving there. Later when starting the car the
volts
> at idle was around 15-16 and when I accelerated they jumped to 16 1/2. I
> turned the car off and found that the alternator was smoking.
>
> Then my "generator" light came on. It would stay on even though the car
was
> turned off the the keys were out of the ignition. So I came to the
> conclusion that the external voltage regulator went bad and replaced that
> along with a new alternator. The "generator" light stayed off when the car
> was off and the volts stayed at 14.5 while driving.
>
> My questions:
>
> 1. Would the voltage regulator going bad cause the alternator have too
mant
> volts and burn itself out?
> 2. Why would the external voltage regulator go bad when it was 1 week old
> and was a Borg /Worner unit?
>
>
> Pettrix@prodigy.net
>
>

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 08:42:03 EDT
From: VLHDancer@aol.com
Subject: Re: Frame off

WHERE WAS YOUR CAR MADE. IF IN LANSING IT HAS TO SETS OF NUMBERS/LETTERS ON  
THE STAIGHT PART OF THE FRAME/SIDE RAILS. IF NOT LANSING I DON'T NO.

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 08:48:38 EDT
From: MASMONKEY@aol.com
Subject: '67 442 need info

I inherited a '67 442 and know nothing about it. The engine number, located 
on the right front head, reads VO625(CHECK MARK)W....and the VIN number (from 
the registration certificate) is 338177611 (last 4 digits deleted)...Any info 
would be appreciated.

Thanks.            

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 08:52:20 EDT
From: VLHDancer@aol.com
Subject: Re: '67 442 need info

SERIAL SHOULD HAVE A LETTER MAY BE M

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 08:58:14 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1971 442 W30

In a message dated 5/1/99 12:42:40 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
supercars@transport.com writes:

<< Actually, there were three cams used in 1971 W-30's.
 And Mr. Nasty 328 wasn't one of them :-(
 The following are the 1971 W-30 cam specs.  
 
 1971 W-30 MT: 294/296 duration, .474" lift.
 1971 W-30 AT w/o A/C: 286/287 duration, .474/.472" lift.
 1971 W-30 AT with A/C: 285/287 duration, .472" lift.
  >>
Thats pretty sad!   My 73 came with the 71 W30 AT w/o ac. cam (mine was a 455 
4spd with ac.) and that was not exactly a radical cam. So the best W30s to 
get for that awsome idle was the 67-70s . The 68-69s sounded the most radical 
do to the 328 and only 400 cubes compared to the 328 and 455.(67s had the 
308) Yes cubes make a difference....Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:03:20 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1971 442 W30

<< << First thing to do is verify that it's a W-30.   For a quick check it 
should
  have:
  red fender wells, aluminum intake, "H" head castings, manual brakes, no A/C,
  must be a Lansing car so 7th character in VIN # should be M.  >>
 
 Didn't we discuss this last week??  The 70 and 71 W-30 could have A/C and 
 power brakes because of the milder cam then the 68 and 69 W-30.
  >>

The 71 W30s were available with a/c and power brakes , when you got them you 
also got the lesser cam....but the 328 was still available on the 
REAL W30 of 70.......Hot Rod Harry <A 
HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/">HOT ROD HARRY'S OLDSMOBILES
</A>

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:05:44 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1971 442 W30

In a message dated 5/1/99 12:22:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
retrorockets@snet.net writes:

<< The milder cam is used on the W-30s with automatics on which you could get 
A/C and
 power brakes.  The 4-speed cars, like the one in question, had the big cam 
and
 therefore no A/C or power brakes. >>

Yeah, that's right sort of like the 69 W-32.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:46:17 -0400
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: cams & mufflers

Sorry to answer for him, but the timing cover needs to come off. Timing
chain gasket sets come with a front piece of pan gasket to replace the piece
that usually gets destroyed taking off the timing cover. Some people will
take the extra work to replace the whole pan gasket. IMHO it's a better
option if you have the time and willingness to go through the huge hassle of
doing it. I don't. That's why God gave us Permatex.

- -----Original Message-----
>
>Why are you monkeying around with oil pan gaskets if you were changing your
>cam?
>

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:43:50 -0400
From: "Jim and Sharon Brady" <bradyiii@shore.intercom.net>
Subject: Re: 1971 442 W30

I wasn't trying to spark a debate but hope to get some more details next
week.  I really want to look it over before I consider purchasing it.  It
looked pretty authentic to me but I really want to talk to the owner.  First
I want to check the VIN # and look over the engine compartment then take it
for a ride.  If I had cash in hand I would probably want to do this today!
Good thing I don't since I want to verify it's authenticity.

Jim Brady
1973 Olds Delta88 Royale Convertible  OCA# 031463
http://members.tripod.com/~SuperOlds/JimDelta.html
bradyiii@shore.intercom.net
>
> Lou,
>
> The milder cam is used on the W-30s with automatics on which you could get
A/C and
> power brakes.  The 4-speed cars, like the one in question, had the big cam
and
> therefore no A/C or power brakes.
>
> Just to throw another curve at this; I believe you could only get the A/C
if the
> rear end ratio was 3.42 or higher (lower numerically).  Somebody out there
is sure
> to know.
>
> Dude
>
> LOUS69W30@aol.com wrote:
>

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 09:54:36 EDT
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: cams & mufflers

the oil pan gasket is on the bottom of the front cover.  duh

mikeytvb@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 10:10:16 EDT
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: Re: 69 4-4-2 Firewall paint stamps

Jeff-
I recall having a chat with Steve Kenney at Brothers about just these paint 
stamps on a '69 H/O he was restoring. You may call him and chat. He was most 
helpful to me-
Best-
Peter
Coupeking@aol.com

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 07:30:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R.Strachan" <creature48212@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Do tell.

 I would like to hear more about this also,since i
live in Detroit! The number one stolen car here is the
86 Cutlass, at least it was a year or two ago may be
#3 now ;~[

     Rick
     69 Cutlass'S'
- --- Stephan <zappa@goodthing.net> wrote:
> I would like this info also if possible.
> 
> Stephan
> 70 GoldOlds
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From:	oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf
> Of gjcouse
> Sent:	Wednesday, April 28, 1999 9:38 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Do tell.
> 
> I always us magetic relay switches, like you would
> find on windows and at
> the base of doors, and hide the unit below a thin
> fabric part of the
> interior(above the headliner in my 65's). All that
> is needed to trigger the
> relay, either open or closed, is to pass an ordinary
> magnet across the exact
> area where the switch is concealed. I have magbetic
> Olds emlems on my key
> chains for this purpose. It is nearly impossible for
> a "perp" to find and
> activate. I have even installed them behind
> customers plastic dashes. Since
> there is no toggle switch to look for, this has been
> the stealthiest way I
> have learned.
> 
> Collyn
> Ooooo, Hot Damn, I Gotta here more about this. Set
> me up with a system for
> Quincy. I'll buy/install the parts.
> 
> -----Regards,
> 
> Gary J. Couse
> Couse Custom's
> 
> ICQ# 5209322
> gjcouse@francomm.com
> gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com
> 
> Custom Conversion Prototype:
> CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
> http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com
>
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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 10:31:13 EDT
From: MASMONKEY@aol.com
Subject: Re: '67 442 need info

Thanks...I couldn't find any numbers on the straight part of the 
frame...could you be more specific??? 

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:17:56 -0400
From: "Joe Kenny" <JKenny@Ingress.com>
Subject: Resend A/C Panel Troubles

This is a resend in "plain text" of my earlier note in "rich text".....

I just bought a 90 Cutlass Supreme 2 dr, 2.3 Quad-4 with 30K about three
weeks ago.  I can't get the air conditioning to work!  The blower/fan will
work at all four speeds but the selector buttons (the a/c, floor, vent, etc)
don't seems to make any difference.  "Off" works ok and any other button
sends the air out the top window vent.  I've also confirmed that the a/c
compressor is not running when I select the a/c button.

I removed the selector panel from the dash and the panel looks ok
mechanically.  Is there another unit that the in-dash panel works with that
I should be looking at?  Has anyone heard of the in-dash selector panel
going bad like this before?

Any suggestions are appreciated.

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 11:02:25 -0400
From: "M. Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: '68 High vol. alum water pump

> Can someone point me in the right direction. I need a water pump for a '68
> 350.  I would like to find a high volume aluminum pump. Summit has one
that
> fits a '72. Any chance this will work? Any idea where else I might look?
>
Ray,
I have one of the Aluminum pumps from Summit that they assured me would fit
a 69 350 (without A/C). Well, it does fit but the shaft was about 5/8" too
long. I could line up the alternator, and water pump pulleys with the crank
pulley, but not my PS pump. I had no choice but to use it because I was
moving and had to have the car running. To get my PS back, I got a 77 Buick
(not sure what kind), water pump pulley from the junque yarde. It was a
three grove pulley and with some creative maching of spacers at work, I got
everything to line up. The aluminum pump actually dropped my operating temp
from around the center mark on the gauge to just barely over the first hash
mark. It seems to work real well. I now have an empty groove on the pulley
though.
Oh, BTW, you need to go back and re-torque the bolts after the car has
warmed up thoroughly. I didn't do this and they loosened off and blew out
the gasket. Used Loctite on them the second time.
==============================================
Mick Gillespie, Melbourne, FL
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/~mgillespie/oldspage.htm
==============================================

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 10:43:40 -0500 (CDT)
From: blue442@webtv.net (Jeff Carter)
Subject: Re: Ring Seating

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Nope, I thought it seemed a bit long too. They say no synthetic oil
until after 3,000- 5,000 miles of street driving, 300- 400 short track
laps or 20-25 hard drag passes.  Maybe the high street mileage
recommendation has the Sunday driving old farts in mind.  I'm pretty
confident mine will be seated in a few hundred miles. :-)

Jeff


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I have Childs 7 Albert Zero Gap Rings. They told me to use transmission oil
when installing the pistons in the cylinder. They said to spread the trans
fluid on the wall instead of oil. 

When you say 3-5K. You mean 300-500 miles, right?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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> From: Jeff Carter <blue442@webtv.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Ring Seating
> Date: Friday, April 30, 1999 11:05 AM
> 
> In the instructions for Total Seal gapless moly rings, they plainly
> state not to oil the rings.  They say the rings should be allowed to
> seat dry on cylinder walls.  They further recommend against synthetic
> oils until after 3-5k street miles.  
> 
> Jeff Carter

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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 12:59:51 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: 70 Cutlass (value)

R. Grant wrote:
> 
> I just seen a 70 Cutlass Convertible for sale all original w/ 310hp 350 auto
> power windows SSII's (14" Cutlass rims) looked to be in good condition had
> been repainted with no rust on the body but some minor rust on the underside
> of it. Looked to be from Calgary as it had the name of the dealership on it,
> it was gold with gold interior buckets with console. I was wondering what
> the value of this car would be I figure about 9000$ Can or 6500$ US The
> place that has it for sale is asking 16500$ Can for this car. If I was going
> to spend that much on a Olds it would be on a 70 442 Convertible 4 speed not
> a Supreme. Am I wrong are the Supremes in good condition going for this type
> of price? Note the paint on this car was not perfect I would even say that
> it should be repainted, and something would have to be done to stop the
> minor rust on the underside of the floor. The car was just outside of
> Brampton Ontario in a little town called Norval if anyone in southern
> Ontario is interested let me know and I can get the phone number. Please
> note that 16500$ Can is about 10000$ US

I wouldn't pay that much for it or anything close unless it was a VERY
rare something.  Sounds like someone wants to make a major lick with one
car.  It wouldn't go for anything close to that here in central KY. 
Maybe half that or a little above.

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 13:00:28 EDT
From: VLHDancer@aol.com
Subject: Re: '67 442 need info

THE STRAIGHT PART WOULD BE WHERE THE CROSSMEMBER IS BOLTED. STILL NEED THE 
ENTIRE SERIAL #

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 13:46:07 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)

In a message dated 4/29/99 6:10:50 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Four42much@aol.com writes:

<<  Since the car you are looking at is from Lansing....the majority of 442s 
 that came out of there have a 4V code on the data plate..that is for the 442 
 trim
 with the side scoops.... 66s had it too , I think with a 5V code 
  <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/">HOT ROD HARRY'S OLDSMOBILES</A> 
 Hot Rod Harry
  >>
  WRONG!...I have a fully documented car from lansing and it says "4D" in the 
upper left corner of the VIN. My co-worker has one with documentation and it 
has "4D" as well. Those letter/numbers have some other meaning. Both cars 
were built in Lansing and sold in Louisiana. Roundtree Olds/Pontiac to be 
exact.

Collyn 

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 13:53:01 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Ring Seating

In a message dated 4/30/99 12:34:36 AM Central Daylight Time, 
PETTRIX@prodigy.net writes:

<< Also varying the engine RPM from 1000-3500RPM is what is needed for good
 ring seating. A constant steady RPM is not recommended.
 
 Comments???
  >>
  I've heard that driving the car in ONE gear moderately accelerating and 
letting the engine "brake"(slow down the car) , is a good way to help rings 
seat. I guess it varies the stress on the pistons from acceleration to 
deceleration.

Collyn

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:00:32 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Smoking Alternator??

In a message dated 5/1/99 1:03:15 AM Central Daylight Time, 
PETTRIX@prodigy.net writes:

<< 1. Would the voltage regulator going bad cause the alternator have too mant
 volts and burn itself out?
 2. Why would the external voltage regulator go bad when it was 1 week old
 and was a Borg /Worner unit?
   >>
  I had a similar situation just last week. My original voltage regulator 
went south on me and I boiled all the acid outta my battery. I went ahead and 
switched to an internal regulated alternator as this is a street 
driven(daily...almost!) car. 

Collyn 

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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 13:02:02 -0500
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Paging Steve Kinney  wasRe: 69 4-4-2 Firewall paint stamps

Steve is here somewhere  STEVE!!!!!!!!!! Where are you?.......KK
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <COUPEKING@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 1999 9:10 AM
Subject: Re: 69 4-4-2 Firewall paint stamps


> Jeff-
> I recall having a chat with Steve Kenney at Brothers about just these
paint
> stamps on a '69 H/O he was restoring. You may call him and chat. He was
most
> helpful to me-
> Best-
> Peter
> Coupeking@aol.com
>

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:01:42 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: cams & mufflers

In a message dated 5/1/99 2:33:38 AM Central Daylight Time, 
b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu writes:

<< Why are you monkeying around with oil pan gaskets if you were changing your
 cam?
  >>
  I'll answer that one!...BECAUSE  THE TIMING COVER SEALS AGAINST THE OIL 
PAN!!!!!!!!!!!

Collyn 

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:12:02 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)

In a message dated 5/1/99 1:48:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GT5726@aol.com 
writes:

<<  WRONG!...I have a fully documented car from lansing and it says "4D" in 
the 
 upper left corner of the VIN. My co-worker has one with documentation and it 
 has "4D" as well. Those letter/numbers have some other meaning. Both cars 
 were built in Lansing and sold in Louisiana. Roundtree Olds/Pontiac to be 
 exact.
  >>
  I am going by what I was told to me by my dad and a friend of his (Olds 
factory worker out of Mich.) I do not remember his name, said the code 
4V(maybe 4D also,who knows) on the Data plate is for the side scoops on the 
442 in 65. And in 66 the same code with a 5. Maybe the D or V was a trim 
option code and the 4 was the side scoop....time will tell....but it also 
seems that only the 65s out of Lansing have this code on the Data 
Plate...nothing is in stone in Oldsmobile Land...Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:13:43 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: cams & mufflers

In a message dated 5/1/99 2:03:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GT5726@aol.com 
writes:

<< << Why are you monkeying around with oil pan gaskets if you were changing 
your
  cam?
   >>
   I'll answer that one!...BECAUSE  THE TIMING COVER SEALS AGAINST THE OIL 
 PAN!!!!!!!!!!!
 
 Collyn  >>
Easy Collyn , I think this guy did not mean any harm......we are all not 
perfect.....Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:31:28 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)

In a message dated 5/1/99 1:13:19 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Four42much@aol.com writes:

<<   I am going by what I was told to me by my dad and a friend of his (Olds 
 factory worker out of Mich.) I do not remember his name, said the code 
 4V(maybe 4D also,who knows) on the Data plate is for the side scoops on the 
 442 in 65. And in 66 the same code with a 5. Maybe the D or V was a trim 
 option code and the 4 was the side scoop....time will tell....but it also 
 seems that only the 65s out of Lansing have this code on the Data 
 Plate...nothing is in stone in Oldsmobile Land...Hot Rod Harry
  >>
   Factories seem to do some VERY weird things sometimes. Often they will do 
things just to meed demand, or lack of. Your statement "time will tell" is 
very correct. I just wish that there was an easier way to tell for sure 
....now! I have the sales reciept, original owners manual, protectoplate, 
sales brochures, and title. I am fortunate that I am the second owner of this 
car and that I bought the car from a fanatical record keeper. 

On another note, a surefire way to tell if the car is a Cutlass or a 442 is 
to look at the inside of the fenderwells(front). If there is evidence of f-85 
, V8, or Cutlass trim holes it is not a 442(at least not 442 fenders). No 65 
442's has holes drilled for emblems in the front fenders. Also, the 
reprodurion emblems are held on with "speed" nuts, and the originals are held 
on with friction clips and cannot be put back on the car once removed...TRUST 
ME HERE! I tried!. The mounting posts are trimmed flush once the clip is 
secured. While "boxed" lower control arms are an easy swap, ALL 65 442s had 
3.55:1 rear axle ratios and ALL non442 cars had 3.23:1 axle ratios. It will 
be easy to tell if the rear cover has been R&R'ed, and this detail is way too 
often overlooked by the sneeky bas*ards making clones. 

Collyn 

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:32:54 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: cams & mufflers

In a message dated 5/1/99 1:15:40 PM Central Daylight Time, 
Four42much@aol.com writes:

<<    I'll answer that one!...BECAUSE  THE TIMING COVER SEALS AGAINST THE OIL 
  PAN!!!!!!!!!!!
  
  Collyn  >>
 Easy Collyn , I think this guy did not mean any harm......we are all not 
 perfect.....Hot Rod Harry >>
  I know....hahaha...I was just being childish like I was in gradeschool 
again...No harm intended...I was just being me!

Collyn 

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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 11:40:42 -0700
From: Joe Varley <varleyequip@access1.net>
Subject: Re: 1953 Olds Fiesta

There were only 458 '53 Fiesta Convertibles built, they were on a par with
the new '53 Eldorado convert. About 40 or 45 are still known to exist, and
they were selling for $ 125,000 in the early 90's, totally restored. They
look very similar to other 53's. The main differences are the cut down
windhhield, no fix

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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 11:45:37 -0700
From: Joe Varley <varleyequip@access1.net>
Subject: Re: 1953 Olds Fiesta

There were only 458 '53 Fiesta Convertibles built, they were on a par with
the new '53 Eldorado convert. About 40 or 45 are still known to exist, and
they were selling for $ 125,000 in the early 90's, totally restored. They
look very similar to other 53's. The main differences are the cut down
windhhield, no fixed vent wing windows, and the cut down "slash" on the
rear quarters under the quarter windows.The interiors were qnique, and they
had salt and pepper carpet. They were based on a '98 convert. They offered
some special colors like orange and white and turquoise. Most were
two-tone, some solid colors. Nice cars.               Rocket 88 Man

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:42:53 -0400
From: "Master Costanzo" <costanzo@netcarrier.com>
Subject: 442 on My Classic Car on TNN right now!

check it out.

Ray Costanzo
87 409 Cutlass
84 Calais

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 15:08:12 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)

In a message dated 5/1/99 2:32:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, GT5726@aol.com 
writes:

<< ALL 65 442s had 
 3.55:1 rear axle ratios and ALL non442 cars had 3.23:1 axle ratios. >>
Is that really true...My dads also has the 3.55:1 posi and he has owned his 
65 442  since 1966 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/Magsurv4/index.html">My Familys 
Musclecars</A> (click on the blue to see) But my dads friend who live in Ca. 
has a 65 442 with the jetaway,no ac. and 3.90 or 91 gears....maybe the other 
ratios were dealer installed...
 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/magsurv/">HOT ROD HARRY'S OLDSMOBILES</A> 

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 14:55:43 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Dr. Olds - K. Wood)
Subject: Hey Guys.

Glad to see no digests today yet.  I assume that
means everybody is driving or working on their
projects.

My little update- for those who have asked me
to keep in touch.  I put my new Variable Pitch
transmission in today.  Man I hate doing that
by myself.  I guess I need a car buddy--- they've
all gotten married or something.  Anyway- everything is now hooked up
except the wiring
for the kickdown and the switch pitch.  Ran the
engine today for about 20 minutes to check for
oil leaks, and to burn all my greasy handprints
off of the exhaust system-  I will have to go
out and buy some more trans fluid before I  go 
anywhere.  Would be doing that right now, but
I am married, and she just reminded me we have plans...  Yes Dear.

Sure is nice to get that long tail TH400 out of
my car.  What a thrill that I this time I was able
to bolt the crossmember to "factory" mounting
holes.  YeeHaa!  I will let you guys know if
the so called angularity vibration I was getting
was from the tranny.  Sure hope so...

One last thing--  (Directed at Steve Minore in
Connecticut)-- I doubted you and was wrong!
You were correct in your guess that a 4 speed
Cutlass driveshaft (that I bought from you) is
the same length as a TH400/ 10 bolt shaft.
Fits perfectly.  Once again, sure am glad to know that I can go to the
parts store and buy
a U-joint and know exactly what application it
is--- not like the Mutt driveshaft I had before.

That's my update-- and to those of you that
read these-- thanks!  I read yours too.  Hopefully Sunday PM I will
posting an update 
on how the car drives--- But we'll just wait and see.

Have a great weekend.

Kevin D. Wood
Dr-Olds@webtv.net

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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 16:03:46 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)

GT5726@aol.com wrote:
> 
>   WRONG!...

Maybe not!

> I have a fully documented car from lansing and it says "4D" in the
> upper left corner of the VIN.

That sounds like the build date code.  4V would be down toward the
bottom of the tag where the options are located.  They are in groups.  4
is group 4 and V is the option in group 4 for W29 (442) side trim.  This
is according to an article published in JWO a few years back.  Here's
the sample tag from that article.  It's for a '65 442 Holiday coupe with
tinted glass, four speed, console and deluxe front seat belts:

     12B          S
ST   65-33837  LAN6749  BODY
TR   953-B        C-C   PAINT
     E 2LG
     4V 5W

The date code is in the upper left corner, 12B in this case with means
the 2nd (B) week of December (12).  Your 4D code means the 4th week (D)
of April (4).

Option codes are at the bottom of the plate.  Group 1 never has a one in
front of it, just the option codes.  E is for tinted glass.  Group 2 has
two options, L four speed and G console.  There are no options from
group 3 on this car.  Group 4 has the V 442 side trim and group 5 has
the W deluxe front seat belts.  All these options are options that
affect the body at the fisher body plant.  Thing likes power windows,
seat, trunk, antenna, air conditioning and other trim moldings would
also be disclosed here because they are options that affect the body
shell.

These codes are mainly for '65s.  They can be used to decode cars from
'64 to 67, but there may be major differences from year to year.  The
442 V code may very well have moved to group 5 in later years as someone
has already mentioned.  Also, these are codes for cars coming out of
Lansing.  The article states that cars coming from the Fremont, CA plant
are completely different.

If anyone has further questions I can scan the article and email it to
you.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 16:06:44 -0400
From: "gjcouse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Enjoy your Weekend.

Well on the North East Coast we are having phenomenal sunny dry whether.
Since it seems everyone is off enjoying there Olds, I thought I'd share this
passage from the Baz Luhrmann song. I thought it fitting to our endeavors of
hobby and camaraderie;

"Don't mess too much with your hair, or by the time it's 40, it will look
85. Be careful whose advice you buy, but, be patient with those who supply
it. Advice is a form of nostalgia, dispensing it is a way of fishing the
past from the disposal, wiping it off, painting over the ugly parts and
recycling it for more than it's worth."

Everyone enjoy there weekend, Gary....

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 16:27:28 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 69 4-4-2 Firewall paint stamps

Zeilmanns@aol.com wrote:
> 
> please take a look on your firewall at the rubber
> stamped painted letters (if they are still there), and let me know what you
> have.

This won't help you at all, but I'm telling ya anyway.  Maybe someone
else is interested...

My '72 Supreme convertible, Lansing car, no A/C has two stamps.  A
turquoise/green one with an I (or a 1) in a box, right above the voltage
regulator, very faint.  And, a yellow A-4, no box, about 4-5 inches to
the left of the first one.  I thought maybe they were inspection stamps.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 16:53:31 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '67 442 need info

MASMONKEY@aol.com wrote:
> 
> The engine number, located
> on the right front head, reads VO625(CHECK MARK)W....

"V" engines are the 300hp, 400cid, 2bbl "Turnpike Cruiser" engine.  This
engine included the "Climatic Combustion Control" air cleaner, a black,
square looking thing with a snorkel on each side.  I'm not sure if this
engine was originally available on 442 models.  Someone else on the list
will have to confirm that.  According to my SPECS book Cutlass Supremes
could either be ordered with the "Turnpike Cruiser" package or the 442
package, not both.

"VG" engines are the 350hp, 400cid, 4bbl "High Performance" 442 engine. 
Air cleaner may be chrome and would have a 442 emblem on it.  Maybe your
motor number is really VG625...  Maybe the G just looks like a 0.

> This  and the VIN number (from
> the registration certificate) is 338177611 (last 4 digits deleted)...

3 - Oldsmobile
38 - Cutlass Supreme
17 - Holiday coupe
7 - 1967
6 - Maybe this should be a G.  This denotes build plant and there is no
6.  They were all letters.  Another member stated that maybe you're
missing an M, that would denote a Lansing car.  The G code would denote
a Framingham, MA built car.
11.... remaining digits are the plant built sequence.

The 442 was really an option package on the Cutlass Supremes in '67. 
Nothing is the VIN proves that this car is a 442.  Find the data plate
on the cowl, under the hood and post all of the information from it.  We
can decode most of it and it may have the information proving that it is
a 442.  If it is a 442, I have a suspicion that the motor has been
swapped, unless you're reading the number wrong.  Maybe you should
double check it.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 17:10:02 -0400
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Valve to piston clearance.

I put weak checker springs on #1 intake and exhaust valves.  Found the point
at which the intake valve was closest to the piston.  Then put a feeler
gauge between the valve stem and the bottom of the rocker.  Got .130 worth
of shim under the rocker arm before the intake valve hit the piston.  Did
the same to the exhaust side.  Got .080 worth of shim between the rocker arm
and the valve stem before the exhaust valve hit the piston.

The machine shop guy said I should mount a dial indicator onto the head
touching the retainer.  Then once the valves are at their closest point to
the piston push the valve into the piston and read the indicator.  Since I
was all out of dial indicators I used the above method.  I've been thinking
about this for awhile now and I think the way I did it will yield the same
result as the expensive dial indicator method.  Possibly not as acurate, but
the machine shop said I need a bare minumum of .080.  I have that and
possibly then some.  Can anyone see error in my thinking.  I would hate to
do this part wrong and have it come back to haunt me at 6500 rpm.

Thanks,
Ken

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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 16:17:34 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: cams & mufflers

"duh" yourself, sir.

At 09:54 AM 5/1/99 -0400, you wrote:
>the oil pan gasket is on the bottom of the front cover.  duh
>
>mikeytvb@aol.com
> 
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian Ammons             ICQ - 3585737
MIS Major - UT Austin  b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
2903 Breeze Terrace    http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
Austin, TX 78722          Home:	 (512) 236-8088 (Austin)
                                              (713) 776-2110 (Houston)
1984 Oldsmobile          Pager:	 (512) 483-8056
	Delta 88                         (713) 318-5938
		4-door
"The Party Barge"
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 17:17:26 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)

Four42much@aol.com wrote:
> 
> GT5726@aol.com writes:
> 
> << ALL 65 442s had
>  3.55:1 rear axle ratios and ALL non442 cars had 3.23:1 axle ratios. >>
> Is that really true...My dads also has the 3.55:1 posi and he has owned his
> 65 442  since 1966

From the '65 Product Selling Information, under the 442 Performance
Package section - "The axle ratio is 3.55 to 1 with synchromesh, 3.23 to
1 with optional Jetaway."  Both these axles were also available on F-85s
and Vista-Cruisers as heavy duty towing options.

> But my dads friend who live in Ca.
> has a 65 442 with the jetaway,no ac. and 3.90 or 91 gears....maybe the other
> ratios were dealer installed...

That the only answer I have.  No mention of 3.90/1 gears in the selling
manual.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 17:54:45 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(Data Plate)

In a message dated 5/1/99 4:04:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, plh@nbn.net 
writes:

<< That sounds like the build date code.  4V would be down toward the
 bottom of the tag where the options are located.  They are in groups.  4
 is group 4 and V is the option in group 4 for W29 (442) side trim.  This
 is according to an article published in JWO a few years back.  Here's
 the sample tag from that article.  It's for a '65 442 Holiday coupe with
 tinted glass, four speed, console and deluxe front seat belts:
  >>
Thanks a million....see I just dont pull this stuff out of the air...real 
life experience sometimes works!!!  talk to you all soon, Hot Rod Harry
 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/MAGSURV/index5.html">Photos of my 83 Hurst 
Olds
</A> 

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 18:09:50 EDT
From: MASMONKEY@aol.com
Subject: Re: '67 442 need info

OK...half a can of starter fluid and I think I can read the plate on the 
firewall...

	O1B				E
						BODY
ST						PAINT
TR
		67-33817 FRA 4188

970-3
2 LCT
5VMP

The drivers door post reads...338177G115331......The engine number is 
VO625KW...
Thanks a lot!!! 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 18:53:35 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?(gears)

Yes the 65s were available with 3.55:1 and 3.90:1 with the 4 speed and
3.23:1 , 3.55:1 , 3.90:1 with the Jetaway....through the dealer installed 
program you could get 4.11:1 or 4.33:1..........Hot Rod Harry

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 19:45:37 EDT
From: James244@aol.com
Subject: Someone Needed a 71 W-30 Carb.

I picked up a very nice 71 W-30 carb today, send me a private email at 
James244@aol.com for more info.
Thanks
James

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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 19:55:00 -0400
From: Andy Mikesell <andymikesell@mediaone.net>
Subject: Help identifying rear end!

Help!

A few years ago the original rear end of my 71 Delta 88
convertible went out, so I went to a yard for a swap.
The yard owner had a posi-track out of another GM car
that he said would fit, and it indeed did.

I now need bearings for the rear and cannot remember
what car the original came from, nor what rear end I
have.

The only identifying characteristics are a 10 bolt
cover, a "use only limited slip lube" tag, and the cast
numbers 480832.

Can anyone help?
- --
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/andymikesell

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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 20:01:05 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: '67 442 need info

MASMONKEY@aol.com wrote:
> 
> OK...half a can of starter fluid and I think I can read the plate on the
> firewall...
> 
>         O1B                             E
>                                                 BODY
> ST                                              PAINT
> TR
>                 67-33817 FRA 4188
> 
> 970-3
> 2 LCT
> 5VMP

01B - build date 2nd week (B) of Jan (01)

I don't know what the E is for, my '67 Ninety Eight has an S there

ST 67-33917 breaks down as

67 - 1967
3 - Oldsmobile
39 - Cutlass Supreme
17 - Holiday Coupe 

FRA - Framingham Fisher body plant
4188 - Fisher body build sequence number

TR 970-3 - Black interior (color denoted by the 0, other numbers denote
trim level and seat type).

  PAINT - You're missing a code here, should be to the left of PAINT,
below the 4188.  Should read something like A-A on cars w/o vinyl tops,
A-2 on cars with vinyl tops.

2 LCT - Fisher group 2 (2), 4 speed (L), Console (C), Power Antenna (T)

5 VMP - Fisher group 5 (5), 442 side trim? (V), unconfirmed (M),
uncomfirmed (P)
 
> The drivers door post reads...338177G115331......

See?  It was a G.  Framingham assembly plant.

> The engine number is
> VO625KW...

I need my shop manual for this...

OK, I'm confused.  Shop manual says this:

442 (400 cu. in.) w/4bbl
Prefix - V
Starting number - 200001
Suffix - G

442 (400 cu. in.) w/2bbl (Turnpike Cruiser motor)
Prefix - V
Starting number - 200002
Suffix - none

You have
Prefix - V
number 0625
Suffix - KW

???????

Someone else is gonna have to explain this one...

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 19:21:03 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Electrical Question..

What would cause the volt gauge to jump from 14.5 to almost 16.0 in a split
second while the car is idiling with the driving lights on? It does not do
this with the lights off. What should I check for? A kinked line for the
driving lights?

Pettrix@prodigy.net

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 19:29:33 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Parking lights, long (was: Brake and tail lights problem '68 Cutlass)

This one has me stumped.  I went over to Chris Casteel's house
today to give him a hand with the brake lights.  I did get the brake
lights working but the parking lights have got me stumped though.
Here's the situation:

The wiring in the rear of the car is good, jumped 12v to the wire that
comes off of the light switch and goes to the parking lights in the rear
(brown wire).

The input voltage into the switch (red wire) is a good 12v source.

The switch is good as I installed it in my 68 and it works fine.

The headlights do work but the front parking lights don't have bulbs 
and I really didn't think of checking the front out too much anyway 
since I had just spent 2 hours under the dash getting the brake lights
straight.  

I am at a loss as to why a good switch will get 12v in and not give 
you the 12v out as per the diagram.  Any ideas?  Chris and I would
be very grateful for any past experiences that could point us in a 
direction.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
  

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 19:49:05 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Valve to piston clearance.

  Can anyone see error in my thinking.  I would hate to
>do this part wrong and have it come back to haunt me at 6500 rpm.
>
>Thanks,
>Ken


The only thing I can think of is that if you were using a hydraulic lifter
then you could possibly have depressed the plunger which would give
you a larger clearance.  Another thing is how tightly the shim was 
between the rocker and the valve stem.  That could take away a 
couple thousandths.  I think I would try to either use a set of solid 
lifters or just go ahead and borrow a dial indicator and know for
sure.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 20:52:58 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Smoothie Q-Jet.  was: Q-jet on 360 Mopar

> In one of David Vizard's two "How to make horsepower" books he
> discusses the Q-jet, he says that by "porting" a Q-jet air-flow up to
> about 1000cfm is available without reducing the metering signal at
> all, hence you can have a 1000cfm carburetor with the driveability of
> a stock Q-jet.
>
Now, THERE'S something to think about.  Hey Karl, you reading this? :-)

>   This is done by essentially smoothing the airflow path
> through the carburetor, cleaning up the factory casting flash and
> ridges, thinning the throttle shafts, knife-edging the throttle
> blades, etc.
>
I don't suppose that includes smoothing the transition in the offset
"jog" at the bottom of the secondaries?   Another area one could call a
"ridge" or "flash" is the threaded portions of the rear through-bolts
that are exposed to the air stream in the secondaries.  (I'm sure a
threaded rod in a carburetor bore has NO negative effect on airflow --
sarcasm intended).  I gotta admit, sometimes it seems there's more
"flash" in a Q-Jet than a plastic model kit. :-)  Still, I had no idea
that an extra 250 cfm could be gained by cleaning the little beastie
up.  Kind of impressive.  I'm thinkin' I'll be taking a Dremel to the
spare Q-Jet in my shed!

- --
Thomas P. Smith
  1971 Cutlass S: 350 Rocket/TH350/Edelbrock OL4B/dual exhaust/
        sometimes Q-Jet, sometimes Holley/Mallory Unilite Conversion.
  1988 Plymouth Voyager 3.0:  Ummm...Let me think of something.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:01:54 -0400
From: David Foster <davidfoster@mediaone.net>
Subject: 1975 Delta 88 Convertible

First time Olds owner and emailer here--I just purchased a 75 Delta
Convertible, and would love some go to advise for parts related to
interior work--the doors are loose, windows wobbly, arm rests loose,
etc. any advise appreciated!

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 22:15:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: H*lp identifying rear end!

Can't use that "H*LP" word, gang...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:	Andy Mikesell <andymikesell@mediaone.net>
Subject: H*lp identifying rear end!

A few years ago the original rear end of my 71 Delta 88
convertible went out, so I went to a yard for a swap.
The yard owner had a posi-track out of another GM car
that he said would fit, and it indeed did.

I now need bearings for the rear and cannot remember
what car the original came from, nor what rear end I
have.

The only identifying characteristics are a 10 bolt
cover, a "use only limited slip lube" tag, and the cast
numbers 480832.

Can anyone h*lp?
- --
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/andymikesell

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Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 21:55:17 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@rbnet.com>
Subject: Re: Regarding the original Cigrette Lighter trick.

KarlAunan@aol.com wrote:

> Dr. Barry, on the other hand thought the flip-open hatch for cigarette
> lighter in one of his cars would be a good place for the manual choke
> handle......

Heh, a manual choke would be a good theft deterent too.  Pull it out
after you shut the car off.  The average car thief would  never think to
look for the choke knob while trying to steal a car.  The backfiring
might wake you up in your house and  even if they get it started they're
only going to top  out at a blistering 22mph anyway. :)
Just look for the thieves stalled at the nearest stoplight grinding the
starter...

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais
73 98 LS

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:47:17 -0400
From: "Glenn J. Martin" <martin.glenn@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Drag Strip Question.

I am not sure what they use for cars but for airplanes a standard day
used for calculations is temp. 15 degrees C and 29.92 inches of mercury.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 21:48:33 -0400
From: "Glenn J. Martin" <martin.glenn@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Do Tell

Could you please send me the info as well?

Thanks

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 21:49:21 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Enjoy your Weekend.

In a message dated 5/1/99 4:07:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
gjcouse@francomm.com writes:

<< Well on the North East Coast we are having phenomenal sunny dry whether.
  >>
Yeah it's been great here in New Jersey.  A whole week of sunny days.  
Hopefully we won't get too much rain whenever it comes.

I did some minor work on my Blazer today.  Grease, oil, filter.  Rotated 
tires.  Installed new front disk brakes.  My lease on it has 4 more months to 
go so I got the cheapest pads and did not even cut the rotors.  I hope I 
don't have any problems.  Wish me luck.

Olds content:  I plan on working on my 442 tomorrow.  Start to get it ready 
for car show season.

Everybody have a great weekend.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 19:05:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R.Strachan" <creature48212@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Do Tell

If anybody got the info on the magnetic car theft
deterent could you list for all of us to see and
learn. 
 
     Thank You  Rick
     69 Cutlass  Detroit(I Really Need This Info;>])

- --- "Glenn J. Martin" <martin.glenn@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> Could you please send me the info as well?
> 
> Thanks
> 

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 19:05:22 -0700 (PDT)
From: "R.Strachan" <creature48212@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Do Tell

If anybody got the info on the magnetic car theft
deterent could you list for all of us to see and
learn. 
 
     Thank You  Rick
     69 Cutlass  Detroit(I Really Need This Info;>])

- --- "Glenn J. Martin" <martin.glenn@sympatico.ca>
wrote:
> Could you please send me the info as well?
> 
> Thanks
> 

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 22:19:40 -0400
From: "Brad Nicholson" <brad442@mdo.net>
Subject: OCA Web Site Updated

Check it out at:
http://www.oldsclub.org

Paging Doug Newman - YOUR THERE!  Check out the "From JWO" section

See everyone at Stohlman Olds (VA) Sunday

Brad Nicholson (OCA's WebGuy)
brad442@mdo.net  -NEW PERSONAL Email
webguy@oldsclub.org

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Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 22:45:56 -0700
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@rbnet.com>
Subject: Re: toro suspension travel

Kevin Grover wrote:
> 
> Hey, I have this crazy idea to take a toro front end and slap it onto the
> back of a dune buggy.  How much travel is there in the suspension, and can
> it be modified easily to gain travel??  I saw a VW engine and tranny on the
> back of a dune buggy and this got me thinking.

I don't know how much suspesnion travel there is in the Toro but I'm
sure it's comparable to any other luxury car olds made at the time. 
They had a torsion bar front suspension for years...They went to struts
sometime in the `80s. 

Here's another crazy idea...With the torsion bars, you could
theoretically adjust the height by simply twisting around the rear
anchors for the bars. Keep in mind the halfshafts might start binding if
you adjust the height too much.  The're only designed to work within a
certain angle.

Just a thought.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais
73 98 LS

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 22:47:33 -0400
From: "John Pajak" <jspajak@us.hsanet.net>
Subject: AC availability

Just to throw another curve at this; I believe you could only get the A/C if
the rear end ratio was 3.42 or higher (lower numerically).  Somebody out
there is sure to know.


Olds mandated 3.23 or lower numeric rear gears with AC in the 64-72 A-bodys.
3.42 and higher numeric rear gearing could NOT be had with AC.

Oddly enough, Buick offered AC with 3.42 gears but not the 3.64.

John Pajak
http://drive.to/pajak

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Date: Sat, 1 May 1999 22:59:40 -0500
From: Brian D Savoy <ninetyeight1973@juno.com>
Subject: Paint Recomendations

I'm in the middle of stripping my 1973 NinetyEight of all chrome and trim
for a repaint.  Looking for a "show quality" paint job on a daily driver.
 Need recomendations for type of paint I should be considering.  Would
also appreciate a recomendation for a good body and paint shop in the
Kansas City area.
Any thing I need to keep in mind?
Thanks,
	Brian

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Date: Sat, 01 May 1999 22:23:35 -0700
From: Julie Dudley <tamika@bendnet.com>
Subject: cancel

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Date: Sun, 02 May 1999 01:07:36 -0500
From: riksab@postoffice.swbell.net
Subject: Re: Paint Recomendations

BRIAN,
    my name is chris and i live in kc as well. I have a 69 98 holiday hard
top.
my car is in very good condition the last thing major i did to mine was
piant.
i checked alot of places for prices on deep mobster black,prices ranged from
700.-1500.$.after alot of debate i decided to shot for the middle1,100$ and 4
months later i got my car back(he had the car 4 months and had been paid
infull).
I GOT SCREWED!!! My car maybe has two coats of paint -NO CLEAR COAT
VERY DISAPOINTED!!! CURRENTLY HAVING TROUBLES FINDING
ATTOURNEY FEES!!!
moral of storie:ALWAYS get awritten estamate of cost w/ details of work to be
done
LEARN from my mistakes don't trust a friend of a friend of a friend!!!
for further info call me @ 4549625 i'll tell you who it was (sorry it's
considered slander
to put it in writing)GOOD LUCK:-)
CHRIS.
Brian D Savoy wrote:

> I'm in the middle of stripping my 1973 NinetyEight of all chrome and trim
> for a repaint.  Looking for a "show quality" paint job on a daily driver.
>  Need recomendations for type of paint I should be considering.  Would
> also appreciate a recomendation for a good body and paint shop in the
> Kansas City area.
> Any thing I need to keep in mind?
> Thanks,
>         Brian
>
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Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 02:39:03 -0400
From: "Jason Labay" <jlabay@tdin.com>
Subject: power window install advice needed

Anyone know whats involved with installing power windows on a 75 H/O
originally equipped with no power windows? I put two dent free doors on the
car from a 73 Supreme and they have power windows.  Do I need to grab a
harness from a power window car to get them to function properly? I have a
complete wiring harness froma power window 76 Monte Carlo I am attempting to
use.  I sent the 73 to the crusher before I got the harness :-( Thanks

Jason Labay  Akron, OH

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Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 02:55:30 -0400
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: Valve to piston clearance.

>The only thing I can think of is that if you were using a hydraulic lifter
>then you could possibly have depressed the plunger which would give
>you a larger clearance.  Another thing is how tightly the shim was
>between the rocker and the valve stem.  That could take away a
>couple thousandths.  I think I would try to either use a set of solid
>lifters or just go ahead and borrow a dial indicator and know for
>sure.
>
>Mike Bloomer


I took your advice.  Got a dial indicator.  I'm looking at .095 on the
exhaust and .105 on the intake, so I guess its ok.. I read in the mondello
tech manual that 270 degrees of duration and .580 lift was the most you want
to go with dished pistons and a felpro head gasket..  I'm using a .600/.593
lift with 265/276 duration and flat top pistons.. I think mondello was being
abit conservative with his specs.

Ken

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Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 03:38:24 EDT
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Paint Recomendations

In a message dated 99-05-01 23:56:53 EDT, you write:

<< I'm in the middle of stripping my 1973 NinetyEight of all chrome and trim 
for a repaint. Looking for a "show quality" paint job on a daily driver. Need 
recomendations for type of paint I should be considering. Would also 
appreciate a recomendation for a good body and paint shop in the Kansas City 
area. >>

Hi, Brian  and Chris!

Sorry to hear of Chris' bad paint experience.

However, for a recommendation for a paint shop, contact Ken Snyder (also in 
KC):

KS7RACING@aol.com

Say that Karl said to ask.
Not gots his #, and not positive that he will be able to make a 
recommendation.
Can't hurt to ask.

SOM

&KA

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Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 03:41:13 EDT
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Do tell.

In a message dated 99-05-01 10:31:36 EDT, you write:

<<  I would like to hear more about this also,since i live in Detroit! The 
number one stolen car here is the 86 Cutlass, at least it was a year or two 
ago may be
 #3 now ;~[ >>

Hi guys!

Info is forthcoming from another source, and has not yet been posted.

And yes, there should be some fanfare when it is posted.

Please be patient while the information is collated.

SOM

&KA

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Date: Sun, 2 May 1999 08:25:40 EDT
From: MASMONKEY@aol.com
Subject: Re: '67 442 need info

Paul-You're right again...I did omit the A-2 and it does have a vinyl 
top...the confusion over the engine doesn't surprise me because the owner was 
a mechanic and it could be just about anything under the hood.  you've been a 
lot of help--thanks
Martin
Springfield Mass 

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