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oldsmobile-digest       Friday, April 23 1999       Volume 01 : Number 1919



64 Cutlass parts
Re: Exhausting...
Re: 350/455 swap (was 350/455 motor mounts)
Re: 68-72 drop top frames ........was 350 swap
Re: 350/455 swap (was 350/455 motor mounts)
700r4 Ques tranny experts?
Need one or two 1971 PO-1 hubcaps.
RE: pulling a Churchill
Re: Exhausting...
Mopar show in So Cal this Sunday (non Olds, please excuse)
Re: Mopar show in So Cal this Sunday (non Olds, please excuse)
RE: pulling a Churchill
Prospective Olds Gatherings?
Olds in the Movies
Re: Prospective Olds Gatherings?
Re: Olds in the Movies
been booted, HELP
Re: Olds in the Movies
Vinyl Conditioner...
Help with a sick 442
Re: Olds in the Movies
Yarde outings
TH400 mounts - was 350 swap
68 ram air scoops
Long tail trans in an A body
Friday Carlisle OCA Luncheon
L@@king for ---> Lightning Rods
Re: More on dyno
Re: Me vrs. Speedshop
Re: [Rear end noise.]
misleading eng compression info
Re: Olds in the Movies
Re: Olds in the Movies
Re: Me vrs. Speedshop
Re: A, B, G bodies???
Carlisle Bummer
Re: Hurst Dual Gate Shifter.
Re: misleading eng compression info(head gaskets)
Re: Hurst Dual Gate Shifter.
Re: 700r4 Question
Re: 700r4 Question
Re: Me vrs. Speedshop
Re: misleading eng compression info(head gaskets)
gauges and warning light ?????
Re: More on dyno
Re: Me vrs. Speedshop
Aftermarket gauges:Electronic/Mechanical
Re: gauges and warning light ?????
Olds list members in Phoenix?
More Adventures From Inside The Dash...LONG, INTERESTING
25th Anniversary (was pulling a Churchill)
Re: 25th Anniversary (was pulling a Churchill)
yahoo just bought 72 cutlass conv
Re: yahoo just bought 72 cutlass conv
L35 ?? color page??she is gold??
Thanx lisa smilin so hard my face hurts
Carlisle
Southern Calif Sources (fwd)
Re: Southern Calif Sources (fwd)
1970 W-31 Pace Car, whats it worth??
Re: gauges and warning light ?????
Brief hiatus for me......Las Vegas or Bust !!!

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:15:56 +0200
From: Walter Leemann <wleemann@swissonline.ch>
Subject: 64 Cutlass parts

>Hello
>
>i'm looking for the following parts:
>
>Car: 64 Cutlass Hardtop
>
>part-numbers:
>384272 and 384273 Wheel opening mldg. rearLH + RH,
>384270 and 384271 Wheel opening mldg. front LH + RH
>384265 Fender Front mldg LH
>
>how knows a source?
>
>Thanks for soon answer
>
>Regards
>
>Walter Leeman

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 12:19:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Exhausting...

- --- Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
<big snip>
I guess I'll just play the radio
a little louder and
continue to be annoyed every time I drive it. Or
maybe I'll put some
furnace cement on the gap where the gasket blew
out...  :) 

============================
*LOL* I agree with both suggestions! If nothing else,
JB Weld it or get that manifold putty that POR-15
sells and try to seal it up with that! The radio bit
is funny though. My muffler on my Honda is rotted out.
The thing sounds like a sick import bike now! My
neighbor told me I should have it fixed because you
can't even hear the radio over the exhaust anymore. I
just told him that I can't afford to fix the muffler,
so I might as well put in a bigger stereo! *LOL*
===
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rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:23:11 EDT
From: Harrell17@aol.com
Subject: Re: 350/455 swap (was 350/455 motor mounts)

I took out a 350 tranny so I don't have any 400 parts to swap. I've had the 
400 gone through before I set it in and I'm going to make this work even if I 
have to break out the cutting torch. Sure hope it ddn't come to that. My car 
is a 72 Cutlass Convertable. I don't know if that makes a difference. Thanks, 
Jim

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:27:57 EDT
From: Harrell17@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68-72 drop top frames ........was 350 swap

I'm a little unsure what you mean but if you are talking about the shape of 
the crossmember the Cutlass is more on the order of what mine looks like. 
Would it make any difference that mine is a Convertable? Thanks, Jim

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:31:27 EDT
From: Harrell17@aol.com
Subject: Re: 350/455 swap (was 350/455 motor mounts)

That's a darn good point. I didn't much like the thought of tearing this 
400TH apart again. Thanks, Jim

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:49:05 -0700
From: joe lewis <lewis@amada.net>
Subject: 700r4 Ques tranny experts?

> Since we are talking 700R4, i have a major problem with mine. Its in my 72 
olds
> so it is still good topic for the list. From a dead stop if i floor it and 
hold
> it there  the car will not shift into 3rd gear.Even if i manualy shift up 
threw
> the gears. The car hits 6000RPM rev limiter and sits there. It will shift if 
i
> pump the gas a couple of times. Driving normal it shifts fine. I have 
adjusted
> the TV cable with no change. Im thinking maybe a spring in the govenor but 
would
> like to confirm that before i rip it apart.What would happen if i ran down 
the
> 1/4 mile with the TV cable disconnected? Thanks for the help guys. By the way
> the tranny has a billet servo and a shift kit.

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 14:00:20 -0600
From: cdemps@lsumc.edu (Dempsey, Charles)
Subject: Need one or two 1971 PO-1 hubcaps.

Hi,

I need one 1971 Oldsmobile 14" hubcap option code PO-1. This is the
standard (I think) 14" hubcap that came on Cutli and VCs. It has radial
vents near the rim, a sort of hat shape to the middle, and the chicken
track logo in the center. Prefer excellent condition. I guess I could
actually use a pair of them and I'd have one for a spare.

I can take a picture of one of my three remaining hubcaps and send a
copy if there's an ID problem. There is also a drawing of it in the '71
Shop manual on page 15-56.

Please reply to cdemps@lsumc.edu.

Thanks,
Charles

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:00 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: RE: pulling a Churchill

>Ahhhhhh the joys of being single. No wife to nag. No kids (that I 
>know of) to get in the way. No morgage to pay. I can play with my 
>toys all I want. Life is great!
________________________________________

On the other hand, Ahhhhh, the joy of going home every evening to a 
date with the woman I most want to be with. The joy of living with my 
best friend, and being in love with her. The joy of sharing my 
interest in old cars with a person who cares about my opinions and 
feelings....

I'm very happily married, and I wouldn't trade being married for 
anything. Yes, my mariage needs more maintainance and investment of 
time and effort than either of my cars does, but it also rewards me 
far more than they do.

Olds content: my wife thinks my Supreme looks very cool with its new 
16x8 Firebird alloy wheels and 225/60/16 tires.

- -John Carri  (happily married)
'72 Supreme
'73 RoadRunner

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:06:57 -0400
From: Nikolaj Richers <nrichers@nexus.yorku.ca>
Subject: Re: Exhausting...

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> Car is now
> marginally quieter but the passenger side manifold is still leaking due
> to the blown gasket. 

I am sorry to hear about your exhaust story! 

I had a similar problem with blown gaskets on my old Turbo T/A and the
_only_ thing that cured it in the long term was to get high-temp,
high-quality gaskets, which, after I wet-sanded the exhaust port flanges
and manifold, has held up five years so far. Cheap (wrong) gaskets blew
out within two weeks usually. 

On the upside, you're down to a leaky manifold, right?

	Nikolaj
	'85 Olds 88

- -- 
Nikolaj Richers, Toronto, Canada; nrichers@nexus.yorku.ca

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 13:10 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: Mopar show in So Cal this Sunday (non Olds, please excuse)

Since there are several people on this list who like Mopars as well as 
Olds, just want to let those of you near Southern California know that 
there is an all Mopar auto show called Spring Fling this Sunday, April 
25th, at Woodley Park, Van Nuys, in the Los Angeles area. The show 
runs all day, from about 8AM till 5pm or so. This is the biggest all 
Mopar show on the west coast. If you want to see those famous "wing 
cars" ('69 Daytona and '70 Superbird) or real Hemi's or even a Viper 
or two, come on by.

How about we put together some kind of similar get-together for Olds 
fans? I wonder if there are enough of us in any one geographic area to 
make this work.

- -John Carri
'72 Supreme
'73 RoadRunner

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:23:17 -0500 (EST)
From: hurst455@webtv.net (Corey Putnam)
Subject: Re: Mopar show in So Cal this Sunday (non Olds, please excuse)

  Not to be biased about where I live but I could imagine something like
that working in the Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, and Wisconsin
area. This area is chock-full of Olds enthusiasts and clubs.

Corey Putnam
75 H/O W-30
87 Regal w/Olds 455
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Boulevard/4930

  
 

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:26:33 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: RE: pulling a Churchill

At 01:00 PM 4/22/99, you wrote:
>>Ahhhhhh the joys of being single. No wife to nag. No kids (that I 
>>know of) to get in the way. No morgage to pay. I can play with my 
>>toys all I want. Life is great!
>________________________________________
>
>On the other hand, Ahhhhh, the joy of going home every evening to a 
>date with the woman I most want to be with. The joy of living with my 
>best friend, and being in love with her. The joy of sharing my 
>interest in old cars with a person who cares about my opinions and 
>feelings....
>
>I'm very happily married, and I wouldn't trade being married for 
>anything. Yes, my mariage needs more maintainance and investment of 
>time and effort than either of my cars does, but it also rewards me 
>far more than they do.
>
>Olds content: my wife thinks my Supreme looks very cool with its new 
>16x8 Firebird alloy wheels and 225/60/16 tires.
>
>-John Carri  (happily married)
>'72 Supreme
>'73 RoadRunner
>
>

OK OK OK. I'm just still looking thats all. Still shoppin' around. I
haven't been as lucky as some of you. But I'm a little younger so I've
still got some time. Though some of my friends are already married and most
of them have settled down. I better get crackin' or I'll really be playing
catch-up. But I won't rush it.

Olds content: If anyone comes across any '74 Omega parts at any-time in the
future e-mail me and let me know. :)

Omega Man (happily looking)
'74 Omega long term project
'74 Omega S 455 done by summer 99



>
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:52:26 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Prospective Olds Gatherings?

Corey Putnam wrote:
> 
>   Not to be biased about where I live but I could imagine something like
> that working in the Michigan, Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, and Wisconsin
> area. This area is chock-full of Olds enthusiasts and clubs.

We could have a meeting in central Ky and probably three or four people
would show up if a couple of them were willing to drive a while.  I just
got a call from a guy in the area on some RX7 parts I have who is local
from the that list.  Never gotten one from anybody in my area off the
Olds list.  I have to assume a few might exist though. Even at the local
car show very few Oldsmobiles are in attendance.  I attribute this to
the fact they are ALL out being driven that day.  Yeah, right!  Have
talked to a few on the phone out of my area and met a couple though. 
Talked to Chris S., Joe P., Randy G. and Bob Barry a time or two and met
Chris and David (call me co-ordinated so I can break the OTHER leg)
Wyatt in Indy on a junking expedition last year.  Speaking of David, how
is the recovery going?  It's about time for some more prospecting I
would think.  Weather is getting warmer and the weeds aren't very high
yet so you can watch for the snakes and their associates, the insects. 
Boy will the junkyards (uh recycling centers for automobiles) be in
trouble after I sell a couple of daily drivers.  Happy hunting, group...

As an afterthought, I wonder how bent out of shape it would be to go to
the Hurst meet in Indy with a Supreme convertible instead.  Never been
to an event, just a few car shows over the years.....

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:52:14 -0500
From: Wyatt <Wyatt@jobax.net>
Subject: Olds in the Movies

I just finished watching the movie Joyride.  It starred a sharp 1970
Cutlass rag top with the W-25 hood.  The car actually was a central part
of the plot.  The only bad part was late in the movie when the film
makers tried to pass off a 72 for a repainted 70.  It was shown on The
Movie Channel and will be on again at 6:30 pm central tomorrow on
Moremax, which is part of Cinemax.

Still settin' home with a busted leg,
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:14:03 -0500
From: Wyatt <Wyatt@jobax.net>
Subject: Re: Prospective Olds Gatherings?

> Don Sowers Wrote:
> Talked to Chris S., Joe P., Randy G. and Bob Barry a time or two and met
> Chris and David (call me co-ordinated so I can break the OTHER leg)
> Wyatt in Indy on a junking expedition last year.  Speaking of David, how
> is the recovery going?  It's about time for some more prospecting I
> would think.  Weather is getting warmer and the weeds aren't very high
> yet so you can watch for the snakes and their associates, the insects.

I am still on the mend, the Dr. said to stay home for 4 more weeks to let the
new bone growth have a chance to take hold, but I still will be on crutches
'til the end of June.  All I could do now is ride along and watch everyone
else get all the good stuff.  The bees and wasps are out in force, but I have
not noticed any snakes and I sure have not been looking for them either.  I
had a bee buzz me the other day and talk about felling helpless when I could
not get away.  Both of my aluminum ladders have gone to the dump an I will be
on wood or fiberglass the next time.

I still need to get a new battery for my Olds, but am in no hurry in my
condition.  My oldest son asked to drive it to school during the last week of
this school year, so I am now definitely not in any hurry!

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 15:22:07 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@UCALGARY.CA>
Subject: Re: Olds in the Movies

Wyatt wrote:
> 
> I just finished watching the movie Joyride.  It starred a sharp 1970
> Cutlass rag top with the W-25 hood.  The car actually was a central part
> of the plot.  The only bad part was late in the movie when the film
> makers tried to pass off a 72 for a repainted 70.  It was shown on The
> Movie Channel and will be on again at 6:30 pm central tomorrow on
> Moremax, which is part of Cinemax.

So was a W-27 an option on the non-W cars?  Did all the W cars have them? 
There is a fellow selling a '69 with a W-25 hood on it that claims it's a W-30
hood.  Obviously it's not a '69 W-30 hood so I was wondering if it was a 70,
71, or 72 W-30 hood.

Just another dumb question,
- -- 

Cliff "I've got a million dumb questions" Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:30:15 -0400
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: been booted, HELP

Something happened and I'm off the list. My ISP was rejecting e-mails due to
problems and I believe it got me booted. I deleted subscribing instructions
(brain donor). Will someone forward subscribing instructions with the right
address to me?

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:14:28 -0500
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Olds in the Movies

well cliff the W-27 was available on cutlass as well as 442 but dont think
it was a very popular option and I heard a few of the covers were sold from
dealers to give a standard axel the appearance...KK
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: Olds in the Movies


>
> Wyatt wrote:
> >
> > I just finished watching the movie Joyride.  It starred a sharp 1970
> > Cutlass rag top with the W-25 hood.  The car actually was a central part
> > of the plot.  The only bad part was late in the movie when the film
> > makers tried to pass off a 72 for a repainted 70.  It was shown on The
> > Movie Channel and will be on again at 6:30 pm central tomorrow on
> > Moremax, which is part of Cinemax.
>
> So was a W-27 an option on the non-W cars?  Did all the W cars have them?
> There is a fellow selling a '69 with a W-25 hood on it that claims it's a
W-30
> hood.  Obviously it's not a '69 W-30 hood so I was wondering if it was a
70,
> 71, or 72 W-30 hood.
>
> Just another dumb question,
> --
>
> Cliff "I've got a million dumb questions" Simpson
> mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
> '69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
> http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html
>

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 17:34:43 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Vinyl Conditioner...

I was wondering if it is OK to use Leather Conditioner on vinyl? The
reasoin being is that most Auto Parts don't carry the vinyl conditioners.
Besides NuVinyl and Armor All the only other products are for leather. I
bought Eagle One Leather conditioner and used it on the vinyl seats. It
worked pretty good. 

Also some products make the vinyl seats slippery while others make them
non-slippery. Does it make a difference? 

Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 06:29:04 -0700
From: William DeCarolis <wdecarol@us.oracle.com>
Subject: Help with a sick 442

HELP!

I am the owner of a sick '67  442.  The problem is that when the gas
tank gets to about 1/2 empty I do not get enough gas to the carborator.
This happens especially when I am going uphill.  To remedy the problem I
have:

Installed an electric fuel pump.
Replaced the fuel sock on the gas sending unit
Replaced the carborator

Has anyone ever heard of or seen this problem before.

Any help is appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill DeCarolis

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:39:04 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Olds in the Movies

Being a dyslexic really sucks sometimes, I meant W-25 not W-27.  Sorry.

Kerry Kroger wrote:
> 
> well cliff the W-27 was available on cutlass as well as 442 but dont think
> it was a very popular option and I heard a few of the covers were sold from
> dealers to give a standard axel the appearance...KK
- -- 

Cliff Simpson
mailto://csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 18:50:21 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Yarde outings

If anyone ever finds a '70-'74 "B" body dual hump cross member could you
keep me in mind?

Thanks,

Mark Hahn
75 Delta 88 Royale Convertible
Cincinnati, Ohio

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:18:04 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: TH400 mounts - was 350 swap

List,

            Being the pack rat that I am, I have both a
short tail and long tail TH400 transmission. I just
measured block to mount and there is a slight
difference - about one inch. Am I measuring in
error ???? Can anyone verify this ???


The General

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:32:16 EDT
From: TheBlue67@aol.com
Subject: 68 ram air scoops

List
    my dad is in need of a set of 68 scoops. the ones we got when we 
purchased our ram rod are unusable. the car did come with a set of brand new 
69 repro scoops which are offered as trade. if you  dont want the 69 scoops 
just state the price. as we are very much in need of this item any descent 
condition scoop will be considered. or if anyone knows of repro 68 scoops and 
who makes them please let me know. Thanks

Brent
1967 Cutlass Convertible

Dad 
1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
1968 Ram Rod

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 19:36:36 -0400
From: "John Pajak" <jspajak@us.hsanet.net>
Subject: Long tail trans in an A body

You ~can~ use the long tail big car TH400 in an A body. We put a 71 455 and
TH400 from a 98 in a 71 Cutlass and all we did was to shorten the original
driveshaft and use the yoke form the 98's driveshaft (The Cutlass originally
had a TH350)

John Pajak
http://members.tripod.com/~JSPajak

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 16:45:42 -0400
From: "Brad Nicholson" <brad442@mdo.net>
Subject: Friday Carlisle OCA Luncheon

I'll be there snce I started this whole mess :-)

From what I saw in OD #1916, the location sounds correct according to what
Bonnie Fochi told me last week.

I'll be in a black OCA cap, Oldsmobile Centennial Club grey shirt and alot
of food in front of me.

If anyone see's a console shifter plate for a 1987 442 (grey not woodgrain)
write down the location, I'm looking for one.

Brad Nicholson (OCA's WebGuy)
brad442@mdo.net or webguy@oldsclub.org

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:30:41 -0400
From: "gjcouse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: L@@king for ---> Lightning Rods

Since it's Spring maybe someone is parting an H/O.
I'm looking for a complete intact set of Hurst Lightning Rods Shifter and if
possible the associated console with top plate (yeah right). If not in to
bad a condition the shifter can be rebuilt so I will consider most any
condition depending on price. The shifter and console are to be installed in
"Quincy", CC-IROC-SS Project car viewable at the link below. I have posted a
"Parts Wanted" on 422.com. Anyone else know where I might post to maybe get
a lead?

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

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For free Win95-98 Support, come visit <GJC> at:
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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:33:01 EDT
From: RPTW32@aol.com
Subject: Re: More on dyno

In a message dated 4/22/99 3:53:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
PETTRIX@prodigy.net writes:

<< So I am looking at
 470HP and 550 LBS TQ. I shift at 5000RPM. The car wasn't at the track yet
 but my buddy  has a 70 with the same motor setup and he ran 11.90. >>

I would try next time out moving shift point up to 5500-5600. Chances are 
you're also
leaving some on the table by "short shifting at 5000 rpm.  What rpm are you 
going
thru traps at...   I have a .030 455 w/4.10 gears running 28" tall tire and 
shift at 
5800 going thru traps at 5800. Running bigger cam though close to JM 4-5 
w/10" ATI
3000 stall. Best to date is 11.80 / 114 mph thru full exhaust on M/T 
sportsman Pro's

Rgds,
Rob Thomas
69 442

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:40:35 EDT
From: CChand4644@aol.com
Subject: Re: Me vrs. Speedshop

In a message dated 4/22/99 9:45:01 AM Central Daylight Time, 
hurst455@webtv.net writes:

<< I`m tired
 of paying for things or services that fall well short of advertised.
 What can I do? >>
Well,(opinion) you will have to pay  for the new cam; however, you should 
sternly remind the shop that you did not want the cam they insisted on 
installing. These guys should give you an "at cost" installation. Don't lay 
down, get the best deal you can! GET WHAT YOU ORDERED!
You might get nothing, just remember, it is their problem also, it is 
unethical to promise one thing and deliver another. Don't feel guilty or 
uncomfortable confronting these guys.
Chris
70 455 Cutlass S

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Date: 22 Apr 99 18:07:59 PDT
From: Jon Hart <hartjon@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: [Rear end noise.]

Mike unfortunately when a rear end starts to get to that point little
particles of metal get into the bearings. The gears have probably developed
sharp edges and this has caused a grinding noise. I would recommend finding a
good used or reman rear end unless you want special gearing then the rear end
will need to be completely overhauled. My advise is have a pro do it.

Jon Hart

83 Ninety Eight
93 Cutlass Cruiser
98 Malibu
72 Chevelle



Mike Schlottman <mschlott@rsn.hp.com> wrote:
I'm beginning to get a noise that I think is coming from my rear end.  Oh I
can hear it now.  You all know that I mean my differential.  The noise is a
kind of a roaring vibration.  It realy starts to get loud at about 60 mph.
The car may have 120,000 miles or 220,000 miles.  Either way, the ring and
pinion are worn.  

My questions...
  Does the sound I'm describing fit with rear end noise?

  Will re-shimming the rear end extend it's life or would I be wasting my
time?


	mike


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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:15:35 EDT
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: misleading eng compression info

Hello fellow Oldsmobilers.  I have some bad news for all of you.  The 
Speed-Pro and TRW 10.25:1 pistons are not what they seam.  If you take the 
fact of a stock olds 455 deck height of .040 and the head volume from 77 to 
80 cc's and the dish in the aftermarket pistons being -14.5cc's and of course 
the Fel-Pro .041 compressed head gasket.  You actually end up with a 
compression ratio of 9.29:1 to 9.51:1 compression.  Now I am running the TRW 
.030 over pistons with .017 deck clearance and .028 head gasket and 74 cc 
heads and have a compression ration of 10.59:1    If I was Corey, I would 
have put in a Comp 292 cam.  Oldsmobiles run better with dual pattern cams.  
Mine is rated at 286  292 with 518 lift. This would give you the horsepower 
you are looking for as long as you did other things to raise the compression 
ratio.  I have a web page that I wrote all the details of my engine build 
which makes my car very streetable and a monster.  I run 12.14's in the 
quarter with it and do alot of cruising.
http://members.aol.com/WMACHINES/link3.html  is where you will find this info.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30 race rocket cruiser

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:14:07 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Olds in the Movies

Being a dyslexic really sucks sometimes, I meant W-25 not W-27.  Sorry.
__________

Well, in that case, yes, it was available on all 2dr Cutlii.  There is some
debate about the Supreme.  The factory order form indicates that it was only
available on the Supreme convertible, not the hardtop (except, of course, the 
72
H/O, which was a Supreme, not a 442), but some on the list claim to have seen
documented factory-built W-25 Supremes.  I remain skeptical, as I have yet to
see the documentation.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:10:28 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Olds in the Movies

So was a W-27 an option on the non-W cars?
__________

The factory literature says that in 1970, anyway, it was only available on the
W-30, W-31, and Rallye 350.

=============

Did all the W cars have them?
__________

Nope, it was an option.

=============

There is a fellow selling a '69 with a W-25 hood on it that claims it's a W-30
hood.  Obviously it's not a '69 W-30 hood so I was wondering if it was a 70,
71, or 72 W-30 hood.
__________

The 70 hood will fit a 69 with some minor work to the hood latch.  The 71-72
hoods are different; the leading edge of the hood has the two notches for the
grilles, which are taller than the 70 grilles.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:18:12 EDT
From: Four42man@aol.com
Subject: Re: Me vrs. Speedshop

In a message dated 4/23/99 12:42:41 AM !!!First Boot!!!, CChand4644@aol.com 
writes:

<< << I`m tired
  of paying for things or services that fall well short of advertised.
  What can I do? >>
 Well,(opinion) you will have to pay  for the new cam; however, you should 
 sternly remind the shop that you did not want the cam they insisted on 
 installing. These guys should give you an "at cost" installation. Don't lay 
 down, get the best deal you can! GET WHAT YOU ORDERED!
 You might get nothing, just remember, it is their problem also, it is 
 unethical to promise one thing and deliver another. Don't feel guilty or 
 uncomfortable confronting these guys.
 Chris >>
I agree..........Dont just lie down on this one!  Somewhere in that motor 
there's a problem.  Ask what might be the problem.  
Im not a motor builder, but it seems to sound a little strange saying you can 
get a 450 hp motor out of 9.5 to 1 pistons.  ??????    I know that my 69 400 
is 10.5 to 1 with only 360 hp.    That is how it usually works right?  You 
need to increase compression to increase hp's.  And how big is that cam?  Too 
much duration will lower compression.  Making your 9.5 to 1 pistons only 
deliver, mabey 9 to1 or mabey even lower.  The problem might not only be the 
cam, but the wrong pistons too.
Good luck fellow Olds enthusiast.
W-Tony
69 W-30 Convertible 
<A HREF="http://www.442.com/bonafide.html">Tony Bonafide's '69 442 W-30 
Convertible
</A> 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:21:44 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: A, B, G bodies???

The letter codes for GM bodies go way back... at least to the 1940s. Back
then the A body was used for Chevrolets and the like, B bodies for Olds
and Buick variants, and C bodies (generally the largest) for the senior
Buicks, Oldses and Cadillacs. It got confusing at times... not real sure
if there was any consistent pattern as to what model used what body type.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:26:39 -0400
From: Scott Parker <sparker442@banet.net>
Subject: Carlisle Bummer

The guys I was going to Carlisle with caught a lousy weather report
earlier in the week and cancelled our trip and our rooms.  So I guess
I'll have to catch the Fall show.  Anyone know how that one compares to
the Spring version?
Scott
71 442 Conv.

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:29:07 -0500
From: "Doug Horstman" <horstman@southwind.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst Dual Gate Shifter.

I missed response about Hurst/Mr Gasket's Rebuilding Services.  Could
someone please repost how to contact them.  I have a Dual Gate that I would
like to get rebuilt.

Thanks in advance.


Doug Horstman
horstman@southwind.net

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Olds - K. Wood <Dr-Olds@webtv.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 6:09 PM
Subject: Hurst Dual Gate Shifter.


> I had posted to the list that I was not getting
> enough cable travel with my Dual Gate to
> get Park and 1st Gear---  I appreciate you guys
> letting me know about Hurst/Mr Gasket's rebuilding services.  I will
> certainly try them
> this fall when the car is put away.  Unfortunately
> I can't wait 3-4 weeks at this time with no shifter
> so...
>
.....Snip...

> Thanks guys,
> Happy Oldsmobiling.
>
> Kevin Wood
> Hartford, WI  53027
> Dr-Olds@webtv.net
> '72 Cutlass Supreme 455
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:30:09 EDT
From: Mikeytvb@aol.com
Subject: Re: misleading eng compression info(head gaskets)

has anyone ever tried to buy steel head gaskets for an olds?  i know you can 
buy sbc factory steel 0.009 head gaskets over the counter for real cheap.  
i'll have to see if i can get a set(or more).

mikeytvb@aol.com
70 442 hc

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:33:35 -0400
From: "gjcouse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: Hurst Dual Gate Shifter.

Go to http://www.mrgasket.com
To the Hurst shifters section. Somewhere you'll find there rebuilding
service. Gary....

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

G.J.C - Hanger95 Technical Support Engineer.
For free Win95-98 Support, come visit <GJC> at:
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- ----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Horstman <horstman@southwind.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 9:29 PM
Subject: Re: Hurst Dual Gate Shifter.


> I missed response about Hurst/Mr Gasket's Rebuilding Services.  Could
> someone please repost how to contact them.  I have a Dual Gate that I
would
> like to get rebuilt.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
>
> Doug Horstman
> horstman@southwind.net
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dr. Olds - K. Wood <Dr-Olds@webtv.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 6:09 PM
> Subject: Hurst Dual Gate Shifter.
>
>
> > I had posted to the list that I was not getting
> > enough cable travel with my Dual Gate to
> > get Park and 1st Gear---  I appreciate you guys
> > letting me know about Hurst/Mr Gasket's rebuilding services.  I will
> > certainly try them
> > this fall when the car is put away.  Unfortunately
> > I can't wait 3-4 weeks at this time with no shifter
> > so...
> >
> .....Snip...
>
> > Thanks guys,
> > Happy Oldsmobiling.
> >
> > Kevin Wood
> > Hartford, WI  53027
> > Dr-Olds@webtv.net
> > '72 Cutlass Supreme 455
> >
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:34:22 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: 700r4 Question

In a message dated 4/21/99 7:11:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
gjcouse@francomm.com writes:

<< Cant the 4L80E  be converted to non computer state like the 200-4R or th
 700-R4? I mean using one of those switch setup offered by Jegs or Summit.
 Besides I believe the 4L80E Is even heavier duty than all the others. It's
 what I'm considering for Quincy since I won't have the funds to go all out
 with a 5 or 6 speed that will hold up. Both the 700-R4 and the 4L80E will
 need adapters to mate up to a 455. I've found an adapter referenced for the
 700, anyone know if it will work on the 4L80E?  Gary.. >>

	Well, do you really mean the 4L80E (replacement for the TH400) or the 
4L60E, replacement for the 700-R4?(and later the 4L60) If so, the 4L80E IS 
heavier duty, at the expense of about 100 extra pounds over the 4L60E. I was 
quoted $3000 plus for a 4L80E from a tranny shop buddy of mine. He says they 
are good though, rarely in his shop (does work for 
GM)				
										
Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:35:29 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: 700r4 Question

In a message dated 4/21/99 7:11:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
gjcouse@francomm.com writes:

<< Cant the 4L80E  be converted to non computer state like the 200-4R or th
 700-R4? I mean using one of those switch setup offered by Jegs or Summit.
 Besides I believe the 4L80E Is even heavier duty than all the others. It's
 what I'm considering for Quincy since I won't have the funds to go all out
 with a 5 or 6 speed that will hold up. Both the 700-R4 and the 4L80E will
 need adapters to mate up to a 455. I've found an adapter referenced for the
 700, anyone know if it will work on the 4L80E?  Gary.. >>

	Oh yeah...almost forgot..you can't convert the 4L80E to NO computer 
operation (as far as I know) but they do make aftermarket kits that include 
the wiring and computer. Dorian

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:15:49 -0400
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Me vrs. Speedshop

Actually, the equation is much more complex than that. Compression alone is
not that big a factor in horsepower until you start getting way up there.
Flow is considerably more important. IMHO you really only need enough
compression to keep adequate cylinder pressure with the cam you are using.
Mondello builds 450hp+ motors with 9.5:1 compression on a regular basis.

- -----Original Message-----


> Ask what might be the problem.
>Im not a motor builder, but it seems to sound a little strange saying you
can
>get a 450 hp motor out of 9.5 to 1 pistons.  ??????    I know that my 69
400
>is 10.5 to 1 with only 360 hp.    That is how it usually works right?  You
>need to increase compression to increase hp's.  And how big is that cam?
Too
>much duration will lower compression.  Making your 9.5 to 1 pistons only
>deliver, mabey 9 to1 or mabey even lower.  The problem might not only be
the
>cam, but the wrong pistons too.
>Good luck fellow Olds enthusiast.
>W-Tony
>69 W-30 Convertible
><A HREF="http://www.442.com/bonafide.html">Tony Bonafide's '69 442 W-30
>Convertible
></A>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:12:39 EDT
From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Subject: Re: misleading eng compression info(head gaskets)

In a message dated 99-04-22 21:32:55 EDT, you write:

<< has anyone ever tried to buy steel head gaskets for an olds?  i know you 
can 
 buy sbc factory steel 0.009 head gaskets over the counter for real cheap.  
 i'll have to see if i can get a set(or more).
 
 mikeytvb@aol.com
 70 442 hc >>
I have bought steel head gaskets from swap meets and they are .017 compressed 
for 455.  I have never seen them at over the counters. If you find steel shim 
head gaskets over the counter, Let me know
thanks
W MACHINES

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:15:21 -0500
From: "patrick derkacz" <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Subject: gauges and warning light ?????

I have a 69 442 convertible.
Should the gas gauge return to empty when the ignition is turned off?  Also,
should all 4 warning(oil, temp, brake, gen) lights light up when the
ignition is turned to the on position?

The chasis service manual only positively states that the oil and Gen light
should come on when the ignition is turned to the on position, should the
brake and temp lights come on also?

patrickd@wwnet.com

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:51:15 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: More on dyno

When I shifted at higher RPMs the car ran slower!!
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: RPTW32@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: More on dyno
> Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 7:33 PM
> 
> In a message dated 4/22/99 3:53:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
> PETTRIX@prodigy.net writes:
> 
> << So I am looking at
>  470HP and 550 LBS TQ. I shift at 5000RPM. The car wasn't at the track
yet
>  but my buddy  has a 70 with the same motor setup and he ran 11.90. >>
> 
> I would try next time out moving shift point up to 5500-5600. Chances are

> you're also
> leaving some on the table by "short shifting at 5000 rpm.  What rpm are
you 
> going
> thru traps at...   I have a .030 455 w/4.10 gears running 28" tall tire
and 
> shift at 
> 5800 going thru traps at 5800. Running bigger cam though close to JM 4-5 
> w/10" ATI
> 3000 stall. Best to date is 11.80 / 114 mph thru full exhaust on M/T 
> sportsman Pro's
> 
> Rgds,
> Rob Thomas
> 69 442

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:54:02 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Me vrs. Speedshop

I believe it is the Comp Cam 280H. THe cam has the specs of a stock factory
cam. You need alot more lift the the .490 the cam has. I believe my cam is
in the .544 range (have to look it up).
Pettrix@prodigy.net

- ----------
> From: Edward Binnix <comid@jellico.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Me vrs. Speedshop
> Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 9:15 PM
> 
> Actually, the equation is much more complex than that. Compression alone
is
> not that big a factor in horsepower until you start getting way up there.
> Flow is considerably more important. IMHO you really only need enough
> compression to keep adequate cylinder pressure with the cam you are
using.
> Mondello builds 450hp+ motors with 9.5:1 compression on a regular basis.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> 
> > Ask what might be the problem.
> >Im not a motor builder, but it seems to sound a little strange saying
you
> can
> >get a 450 hp motor out of 9.5 to 1 pistons.  ??????    I know that my 69
> 400
> >is 10.5 to 1 with only 360 hp.    That is how it usually works right? 
You
> >need to increase compression to increase hp's.  And how big is that cam?
> Too
> >much duration will lower compression.  Making your 9.5 to 1 pistons only
> >deliver, mabey 9 to1 or mabey even lower.  The problem might not only be
> the
> >cam, but the wrong pistons too.
> >Good luck fellow Olds enthusiast.
> >W-Tony
> >69 W-30 Convertible
> ><A HREF="http://www.442.com/bonafide.html">Tony Bonafide's '69 442 W-30
> >Convertible
> ></A>
> >
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:57:17 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Aftermarket gauges:Electronic/Mechanical

I have Auto Meter gauges that are electric.Some people say that mechanical
are the most accurate and reliable gauges out there. All new cars have
electrical: Oil pressure, water temp,trans temp,etc...
So which are better? Has anyone had an electric gauge fail?
Pettrix@prodigy.net

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:43:01 -0500
From: "72Hurst" <72hurst@net-email.com>
Subject: Re: gauges and warning light ?????

On my 72 Hurst, the gas gauge generally stays at the level it was when the
ignition was turned off. The Oil and Gen. light will come on when the key is
turned to the first click (run), the temp light should come on when the
ignition is turned to the start position. As far as I know the brake light
only comes on when the parking park is applied, or the brake pedal goes to
the floor IE: NO BRAKES!
Thats the way mine works,

John
72hurst@net-email.com



> I have a 69 442 convertible.
> Should the gas gauge return to empty when the ignition is turned off?
Also,
> should all 4 warning(oil, temp, brake, gen) lights light up when the
> ignition is turned to the on position?
>
> The chasis service manual only positively states that the oil and Gen
light
> should come on when the ignition is turned to the on position, should the
> brake and temp lights come on also?
>
> patrickd@wwnet.com
>
>
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:51:05 EDT
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Olds list members in Phoenix?

If anyone on the list lives in the valley, are you going to the BOP show at 
the Pavilions on Sunday?  If so let me know and stop over and say "hi"  David
1970 442 W-30 conv

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 23:10:19 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: More Adventures From Inside The Dash...LONG, INTERESTING

Hi kids.  The following is kind of confusing, but I went through it four
times, and it really does make sense - just be patient, please?

I have some new and very puzzling developments in my ongoing attempt to
install "Ralleye Pak" Gauges (Volts, Temperature, and Oil Pressure, out of
what I THINK was an '83 Delta) in my 1984 Delta 88 4-door.  Today I took
the dash apart (COMPLETELY APART - lots and lots of car guts hanging
everywhere) and double-checked all my connections  (actually, changed all
my crappy butt-end splices to soldered connections).

To quickly describe - the wires from the oil sensor and the temp sensor run
from the engine compartment, through the firewall, and into a harness
(which also has about fifteen other wires on it) that snaps into the back
of the instrument cluster.  The harness makes contact at that point with
the printed circuit that runs the width of the dash, supplying power and
such to the idiot lights.

In a Gauge package car, there are wires coming out of the wiring harness as
well, that run to another harness, which is where you plug the Gauge
package in.  I pulled the Instrument Cluster harness and the Gauge Cluster
harness out of the donor car, spliced it in at the appropriate places (by
pulling the dual wire connectors out of the donor I.C. harness and putting
them in place of my I.C. harness, then snipping the sending wires and
soldering both them and the gauge cluster harness wires to the appropriate
wires).  CONFUSED YET?  Don't worry, just know at this point that I'm 99%
sure that the wires are hooked up correctly.

I have a variable (Gauge package) oil pressure sending unit, and the stock
(idiot lights) temperature sending unit.  When everything is plugged in
where it should go, we get the following:

Temp Gauge - Pegged at Zero (all the way to the left)
Oil Gauge - Pegged at Max (all the way to the right)
Oil Idiot Light - DIM, and it varies in intensity depending on whether you
rev the motor, have it in gear, etc (i.e., the idiot light is acting like a
gauge)

NOW THE FUN PART:

1.	If I pull the dual wire Oil Pressure connector out of the I.C. wiring
harness, THE OIL GAUGE WORKS CORRECTLY.  Of course, by doing this the Oil
idiot light will never work.  It appears that running the gauge cluster's
signal through the dash causes a short of some kind (OR SOMETHING).  Who's
got a better idea?

2.	If I pull the dual wire Temperature connector out of the I.C. wiring
harness, there is no change in the gauge's function.  HOWEVER, if I leave
the Temp connector in the I.C. wiring harness, and pull the Pink Wire w/
Black Stripe (the power wire, that is hooked to the "Charge" idiot light
and each of the gauges in the Gauge Package) out of the I.C. harness, I GET
MOVEMENT ON THE TEMPERATURE GAUGE (it also appears to be pretty accurate,
as in "It's working").  This is of course extremely surprising, because
remember this is the STOCK temperature sending unit (which is supposed to
only have two positions, and not be variable at all).

Note that you still get power to the Gauges when you do this, because the
Pink Wire w/ Black Stripe is another one of the "dual" wires.  Pulling the
power wire out of the I.C. wiring harness, of course, causes the "CHARGE"
idiot light to come on (dimly - not as bright as when it's plugged in and
you turn the key to "ON" (without starting the car).

SOOOO.......

1.	Why does my Oil Pressure Gauge work only when it's not running 
through
the dash?

2.	Why am I getting movement on the Temp. Gauge when I pull the power 
wire
out of the Instrument Cluster wiring harness? (I ordered a
Gauge-appropriate temp sending unit today, and it will be on the car
tomorrow - so that will (hopefully) eliminate one variable. 

3.	WHY IS THIS SO FRIGGIN' COMPLICATED?  It was my understanding 
(perhaps
"hope" is a better word) that the only differences between a Gauge-car and
an Idiot light-car was the (a) senders, (b) wiring harness, and (c) the
gauges themselves.  I'm not really frustrated, just puzzled.

Thanks for listening (and thanks in advance for any help),

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Brian Ammons             ICQ - 3585737
MIS Major - UT Austin  b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
2903 Breeze Terrace    http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~ammons/
Austin, TX 78722          Home:	 (512) 236-8088 (Austin)
                                              (713) 776-2110 (Houston)
1984 Oldsmobile          Pager:	 (512) 483-8056
	Delta 88                         (713) 318-5938
		4-door
"The Party Barge"
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 21:28:48 -0700
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
Subject: 25th Anniversary (was pulling a Churchill)

Geez, with all the gushing going on today,
I thought Valentines day had been changed to
April 22 ;-)     Anyway, since we've got this
little love fest thing going on, I thought I'd 
chime in because today is my 25th anniversary.
....With my race car that is.  Which over these 
past 25 years has morphed from the yellow, all stock, 
crunched quarter panel/trunk/bumper, $260 special 
to its current form.  Which can be seen at:   

http://www.supercarsunlimited.com/photos/superpro/our67.html 

If cars could talk, the stories this one could tell....... 

Greg Rollin
Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!) 
Portland, Oregon  503-244-8249

Web Site:
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com

E-mail: supercars@transport.com

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 00:41:49 -0400
From: "gjcouse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: 25th Anniversary (was pulling a Churchill)

Congrats on the 25th anniversary Greg !  What is that, "Silver" plating for
the motor? What a sweet 25 years that has been I'll bet. A mate that never
argued back. Gary....

- -----Regards,

Gary J. Couse
Couse Custom's

ICQ# 5209322
gjcouse@francomm.com
gjcouse@cc-iroc-ss.com

Custom Conversion Prototype:
CC-IROC-SS-#001 =  "Quincy"
http://www.CC-IROC-SS.com

G.J.C - Hanger95 Technical Support Engineer.
For free Win95-98 Support, come visit <GJC> at:
http://www.salemcounty.com/cgi-bin/dcforum/dcboard.cgi
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Rollin <supercars@transport.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 23, 1999 12:28 AM
Subject: 25th Anniversary (was pulling a Churchill)


> Geez, with all the gushing going on today,
> I thought Valentines day had been changed to
> April 22 ;-)     Anyway, since we've got this
> little love fest thing going on, I thought I'd
> chime in because today is my 25th anniversary.
> ....With my race car that is.  Which over these
> past 25 years has morphed from the yellow, all stock,
> crunched quarter panel/trunk/bumper, $260 special
> to its current form.  Which can be seen at:
>
> http://www.supercarsunlimited.com/photos/superpro/our67.html
>
> If cars could talk, the stories this one could tell.......
>
> Greg Rollin
> Supercars Unlimited (Where Cutlass/4-4-2 is ALL we do!)
> Portland, Oregon  503-244-8249
>
> Web Site:
> http://www.supercarsunlimited.com
>
> E-mail: supercars@transport.com
>

------------------------------

Date: 22 Apr 99 21:50:47 PDT
From: Randy Hermsen <76Cutlass@netscape.net>
Subject: yahoo just bought 72 cutlass conv

Hey brother oldsmoholics
So pumped up today had my eye on a gold 72 conv.for about a year now dumped
behind the bar close to my bank saw the tow stickers on it the other
day....very sad see it go for the crusher a for parts so I investigated    and
found the 80 yr. old owner  and offered 100   got the car for     get this
guys    200.00 dollars     towed it to my house and found the trunk full of
oldsmo  christmas gifts  double of everything  trim lights the dash has been
taken apart but thats ok because Ive got two of them.....14inch rims   drums
in the front all really strange to me owning two 76s inarow   funny I used to
delete conv. top letters on the list guess I was destined to have to read them
   yes the top has some rips in it   sad...not to bad though above the
frt.seats  the back parts tight  can some one help me with the
vin...3j67k2m227034 the 350 should be stronger then my 76  ??  karl....joe
....hotrod..
                          Avery happy Randy
                             76cutlass
                              72 cutlass conv.  lololol

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Date: Thu, 22 Apr 1999 22:21:00 -0700
From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Re: yahoo just bought 72 cutlass conv

I got a '66 Dodge convertible this way once - it sat at a gas station and I 
searched through the DMV and the guy signed it over to me.  I got my '72 
about 6 mos ago for $600 and was very happy with that - your deal's a 
killer though!!  Congrats, we all know your smilin'.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

1966 Toronado, 1967 Delta 88 Custom, 1972 Vista Cruiser, 1972 Cutlass 
Supreme Convertible

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Date: 22 Apr 99 22:38:24 PDT
From: Randy Hermsen <76Cutlass@netscape.net>
Subject: L35 ?? color page??she is gold??

Thanks Lou went to vin. page   whats the L35  stand  for in this 350 I just
bought today  feelin really dumb...and I remember seein the paint charts for
all yhe different yrs.   was that greg who linked me ther???kinda done in from
all the work bring the new olds home.....
                  tia
                    Randy
                      76 cutlass supreme
                        72 cutlass supreme convertable
                              wow that felt really cool typin that felt like
one of the guys now

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Date: 22 Apr 99 22:48:14 PDT
From: Randy Hermsen <76Cutlass@netscape.net>
Subject: Thanx lisa smilin so hard my face hurts

Lisa I have seen your olds content on the web lots all over the place.. you
have and do very cool stuff....my face is warm hands tingling  smilin so long
so hard this after noon my face hurts  seeing that tow truck in the rear view 
     heaven
                     randy
                         76 olds 
                                72 olds    gettin tired   now good night
oldsmo  bros and sisters  from van.  b.c. canada the west coast play ground

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 04:18:52 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Carlisle

Hey List,
I think I was wrong when I posted the info about the Olds booth at Carlisle.  
I thought it was I20-21.  When I checked last night it was IE20-21.  Very 
sorry.  Hopefully we all meet at the right place today.  See you there.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:31:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Southern Calif Sources (fwd)

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Subject: Southern Calif Sources

Can anyone in this neck of the woods recommend a good machine shop to have 
heads and other motor work done at?  My only resource is my buddy who owns 
a speed shop, but the people he knows only work on things like NHRA cars 
and whereas he can get my work done through them, they're still talking 
super trick stuff and larger dollars.  I am looking for a good, standard 
machine shop (I think!!).

Any leads are greatly appreciated.


Lisa Madsen
Anaheim, CA

1966 Toronado, 1967 Delta 88 Custom, 1972 Vista Cruiser, 1972 Cutlass 
Supreme Convertible

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:45:24 -0700
From: BC <beastmaster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Southern Calif Sources (fwd)

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Lisa,
I had my 455 rebuilt at Atlas Motors in Los Angeles last year. They did a good
on the engine and used the high performance parts I supplied them as well.
Bruce
70 Delta 88 Conv. 350
75 Delta 88 Royale Conv. 455

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<br>I had my 455 rebuilt at Atlas Motors in Los Angeles last year. They
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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 02:54:54 -0700
From: BC <beastmaster@earthlink.net>
Subject: 1970 W-31 Pace Car, whats it worth??

Need some info from the Cutlass Crowd. On eBay, no groans please, there is a
listing for a '70 OLDS W-31  Pace Car, there are pictures posted on the
auction page. My partner is really interested in this car but is not sure if
the reserve price is a good price for this car. The owner states the reserve
is just shy of $10,000. If any of you have the time can you give me your
opinion of the car, it's URL is
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=93989298
If you wish you may email me directly at beastmaster@earthlink.net.
I also noticed a 1969 442 listed as well as a 1967.
Thanks,
Bruce
70 Delta 88 Conv 355
75 Delta 88 Royale Conv 455

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 06:42:05 -0400
From: "Robert Collins" <collins@peterboro.net>
Subject: Re: gauges and warning light ?????

Unless you have reason to suspect other wise I would say your guages are
working properly for that vintage of a vehicle.  Gas guages back then were
free to float where ever when the vehicle was shut off and the positon when
off means nothing.

Robert Collins
collins@peterboro.net

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Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 07:08:23 -0400
From: EJ <oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net>
Subject: Brief hiatus for me......Las Vegas or Bust !!!

Greetings guys and gals.

Late tomorrow mornin'(Sat) I'll be signing off of all my lists
temporarily. Sunday morning we'll be on plane to Vegas. 

Should be back by lurking on the sidelines by late next Friday(30th).

And with any luck..... with a thicker wallet to be able to add to the
fleet ;).

Still too much on my "wish list", which I probably should'nt get into
;).

However, it *is* my birthday on Sunday...*hint hint*.

Buicks and some more Oldsmobiles take first preference. Cutlass/442 and
Skylark/GS convertables most appreciated as well as a dual-quad 64
Riviera, and a 71-72 Toronado, and a 79-81 Toronado XSC.....hmmm...
always liked the 71-72 Centurian Convertable, and the 69-72 Grand Prix,
67-70 Eldorado.........SORRY

"Dream mode" off !!!!

EJ
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"EJ"  In Hamilton Township, New Jersey, suburb of Trenton
On digest where availabile, not regular mail
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E-Mail: oldsluvr@bellatlantic.net
                               The "Fleet"
1979 Pontiac "Olds organ donor" Trans Am. (FOR SALE !!!)
1984 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais. 
1985 Oldsmobile Toronado.
1992 Lincoln Mark VII LSC. 
1992 Ford F-250 Reg-Cab 4WD Pick-Up.
1994 Toyota Camry Sedan (my other halves ride).

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