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oldsmobile-digest        Friday, May 28 1999        Volume 01 : Number 1983



Re: New '67 Cutlass Convert. owner
Re: Surface rust on PSI plate
Re: carburator q
Re: Surface rust on PSI plate
Under construction FAQ - new site
B&M shifter install
600 mile engine photos
Throttle Bushing Costs
Re: turn signal falling off 68 442
Non olds/ 225Buford v6 conversion/what will It wear?
1968 Olds 442 For Sale
Re: Surface rust on PSI plate
deletions& 455 project was Re: Off topic but important
Re: Off topic but important
Tee Templeton/Tivoli Systems is out of the office.
Re: WOT :-)
Re: What Cam for my 66 98 Conv?
Re: Non olds/ 225Buford v6 conversion/what will It wear?
15" trim rings
Re: New '67 Cutlass Convert. owner
Re: 1965 442 Experts
car show
Re: Off topic but important
Re: 72 98 4dr, Changing front speakers
Re: garage floor(non-olds)
Re: Off topic but important
Re: turn signal falling off 68 442
Re: Brake Dust Problem.
Re: 70 Cutlass dashboard removal
Re: Alternators
Chrome Trim for a '70
Give us heads
Timing and Gaskets
pickle forx
tire pressure vs. tire marks
Re: Chrome Trim for a '70
Re: Wanted: '66 Olds chassis and body service manuals.
rear conv 1/4 trims
windshields,speakers,dashboards,headers?
72 Cs brake booster
72 Cs stripes
Re: 600 mile engine photos
Re: North East USA Car Shows?
Re: Throttle Bushing Costs
Re: 72 98 4dr, Changing front speakers
3 Speed Floor Shifter
Need Jim Chermack's Email address!
Re: Off topic but important
No crack dash
403 into 86 442
Olds F/S in central KY
Re: 403 into 86 442
Technical Electrical...!!
Re: Wheel adapters
Re: 15" trim rings
Re: 403 into 86 442
Re: 600 mile engine photos
Sale Places for HurstOlds
Re: Timing and Gaskets
Re: Sale Places for HurstOlds
Re: Timing and Gaskets
Re: carburator q
Re: Off topic but important
Safe Weekend
Re: Off topic but important
Re: Timing and Gaskets
Re: Timing and Gaskets
Re: 70 Cutlass dashboard removal

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:37:39 -0400
From: "Dan" <dsm137@gti.net>
Subject: Re: New '67 Cutlass Convert. owner

Ohhh I forgot, check out those rear body mounts that are welded under the
trunk floor.
Dan.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Four42much@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 10:51 PM
Subject: Re: New '67 Cutlass Convert. owner


> Check the area of the floor thats under the convertible top pistons...a
big
> rot area...and look real good at the frame and the frame rail at the back
of
> the car.  Should have a 12 bolt rear (all convertibles did in 67)  You
might
> even luck out and get a Limited Slip rear. Hot Rod Harry
>

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 16:39:38 -0500
From: Paul Brillhart <pbrill1@uic.edu>
Subject: Re: Surface rust on PSI plate

Reed, Stephen wrote:
> 
> List,
>         I was looking at my pressure plate this week, and since it has been
> in the garage it has developed some surface rust.  Besides using
> scotchbrite, what grit sand paper would you suggest to remove this surface
> rust?  I have not yet tried using scotchbrite, but would like to hear any
> advice anyone might have.
> 
> Thanx!
> 
> Steve Reed
> Austin, TX


Steve,

 I assume this is a new pressure plate you're talking about.  I was in
Dallas two weeks ago for work and I can believe the humdity did that. 
Up in Chicago, I got no surface rust on my new Center Force Dual
Friction that was sitting in the box for 1 1/2 years before my pilot
bearing went south forcing me to replace everything before I was going
to(wanted to wait until my 425 was done...in the fall).  Anyway, if it's
minimal surface rust, a croakus(?sp) cloth with some thinner for
lubrication worked well for a buddy of mine who had very high humdity in
is basement and had his resurfaced flywheel down there for two
years.(Always grease 'em for storage....of course it's always nice to
wipe it off before installation.)  It may take awhile, just remember to
evenly apply pressure, alternate in clockwise, counter clockwise and
work it in a fashion that slowly takes the entire face down.  Don't do
one spot at a time. His worked out fine..except that it's in a Nova(box
on a box type Chevy.) He's running a 400 small block with a B&M Blower
and has had the assembly runing since early Spring.

Good luck.

Paul

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:35:05 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: carburator q

In a message dated 5/27/99 2:23:12 PM Pacific Daylight Time, olds69@online.no 
writes:

<< 
 only thing is that the parts clerk says its for an 79 tornado??
 her is the number:17059253 (there is also another nr:1649b7a)
 soooooo could you please tell me abut this.
 the clerk said it was a 725cfm for a tornado ???
 
 Trond >>

	Hollanders says that can be for: (all 1979's) Buick w/a 403, fed. 
emissions, Cutlass with a 350, H/O, Firebird w/403, Olds w/a 350/403. So NOT 
a Toronado (listed seperately) but it should work..the stamping number is 
probably just different or something small like that. Hope that helps...not 
super specific, but in my experience (with '77 full size cars w/a 403) the 
carbs are actually 800CFM's. Even if it isn't an 800, its going to be a 750.  
 Dorian

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:36:49 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Surface rust on PSI plate

In a message dated 5/27/99 2:17:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
sreed@chatsworth.com writes:

<< List,
 	I was looking at my pressure plate this week, and since it has been
 in the garage it has developed some surface rust.  Besides using
 scotchbrite, what grit sand paper would you suggest to remove this surface
 rust?  I have not yet tried using scotchbrite, but would like to hear any
 advice anyone might have.
 
 Thanx!
 
 Steve Reed >>
	
	Just replacing my truck clutch. It says if FLYWHEEL is rusty, just 
take the rust off, but don't use fine sandpaper...it needs to grip the clutch 
disk. Dorian

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:02:30 -0500
From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu>
Subject: Under construction FAQ - new site

I finally did it, that is, finding an ISP that gives you more than 2MB
for web pages. I'm now on Internet Illinois (mailto:dlbrown@inil.com).
20MB should be good for a while.

The Olds FAQ will be updated more often at this site. Probably about
once a week, maybe more. This continues to be under construction for the
time being, so there are some goofy formats here and there.
http://www.inil.com/users/dlbrown/oldsfaq.htm.

Particularly new are expanded engine and transmission (auto and maunal)
sections.

To those who asked to help out, be patient with me. Differing projects
at all fronts are consuming my time, but I will be contacting you in the
future. For the moment, enjoy.

- --
David Brown         Mailto:dbrown@mh1.mcis.uchicago.edu
              Sneak a peek at 5.X FAQ at:
        www.inil.com/users/dlbrown/oldsfaq.htm
          Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 4.1 at:
http://www.442.com   OR   http://www.en.com/users/thall
Conserve bandwidth, get the zip file for local viewing:
    ftp://ftp.neurobio.arizona.edu/ftp/lists/olds

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:18:12 -0500
From: "Walker" <pwalker@megavision.com>
Subject: B&M shifter install

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:17:41 -0500 (EST)
From: hurst455@webtv.net (Corey Putnam)
Subject: 600 mile engine photos

  I`ve added pictures to my web site that I took before I sent the
engine back for repair(rebuild), I think you`ll find them quite
interesting considering this shop also builds NASCAR engines.

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Boulevard/4930/Engine 

Corey Putnam
75 H/O W-30(down for awhile)
87 Regal w/Olds 455(Mama`s ride)
H/OCA #0915A
OCC #0208
OCA #031264
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Boulevard/4930

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:41:50 -0400
From: "Thomas P. Smith" <smithtp@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Throttle Bushing Costs

Evenin' List:

In order to obtain the best performance from my Q-Jet, I've decided
bushing the throttle shafts would be beneficial.  So, my question is,
what is a reasonable cost for this job?  I do not need a rebuild.  My
plan is to simply take only the throttle body to a shop for the job.

In lieu of the above, what is the best procedure for doing this myself,
are any special drills, etc, necessary, and where would I obtain the
prerequisite bushings?

Finally, since Off Topic stuff is now in vogue, how about the Stanley
Cup playoffs?!  Hockey is too cool.  Go 'Leafs! (I like CuJo)

- --
Thomas P. Smith
  1971 Cutlass S: 350 Rocket/TH350/Edelbrock OL4B/dual exhaust/
        sometimes Q-Jet, sometimes Holley/Mallory Unilite Conversion.
  1988 Plymouth Voyager 3.0:  Ummm...Let me think of something.

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:42:26 -0400
From: "Rob Lewis" <fever@planeteer.com>
Subject: Re: turn signal falling off 68 442

Thanks hopefully I'll get away with the screws.
How are you with carbs.
68 442 400 auto 
It burns rich on Idle other than that it's fine.
Had it apart no visible problems.
I'm wondering if the floats to high?
Or I need smaller jets?
Thanks for your time
Rob


- ----------
> From: Mike Bloomer <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: turn signal falling off 68 442
> Date: Wednesday, May 26, 1999 10:35 PM
> 
> >Is this an easy fix.
> >It's just hanging by a thread now.
> >Thanks
> 
> Uhhh, you talking about the lever on the column?  If so, you'll have 
> to take the steering wheel off.  It's held onto the switch by 2 screws
> which may be missing.  If you have stripped threads (the switch is
> plastic) you could effect some type of repair like using larger screws
> or some kind of small nut and bolt or just replace the switch.  The
latter
> means you pretty much have to dis-assemble the column which isn't
> that difficult, but a repair manual would be good to have to make sure
> you put it back together correctly.
> 
> Mike Bloomer
> mbloomer@mindspring.com
> ICQ# 19113713
> http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
>  
> 

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:59:58 EDT
From: Oldsmobeav@aol.com
Subject: Non olds/ 225Buford v6 conversion/what will It wear?

I am putting a 400 into my f85 this summer, it has a pretty fresh 225 oddfire
v6 they put into it that year.

Since Ive put a lot of new things into the motor ,suspension and brakes, I 
thought I might weigh my options.

The motor and jetaway arent worth more than 250-300 if I can find someone 
interested. That the case, I was wondering what vehicles the motor might drop 
in.

can anyone make some suggestions of potential vehicles I might be looking for
that are dead and need to be put back on the road?, whatever model, or make.
convertible, coupe or 2dr sedan?

Olds content, saw a 62 starfire today by the house today, beautiful.


Steve 
37 business coupe
65 f85 deluxe
portland, go blazers

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:34:39 -0700
From: Mark Alexander <m_alexander@infoserve.net>
Subject: 1968 Olds 442 For Sale

I have a 100% complete and stock, fully loaded '68 442 that needs some
restoration.  The trouble is I don't have the facility nor the time to
work on it.  Anyone in the Vancouver B.C. area interested in restoring a
beautiful car can contact me via email.

Mark Alexander

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 17:58:35 -0500
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Surface rust on PSI plate

try using a drill or a high speed die grinder and a roloc disc with a scotch
bright cookie they work great...KK   probably need a red one...KK
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Reed, Stephen <sreed@chatsworth.com>
To: 'Olds' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 4:16 PM
Subject: Surface rust on PSI plate


> List,
> I was looking at my pressure plate this week, and since it has been
> in the garage it has developed some surface rust.  Besides using
> scotchbrite, what grit sand paper would you suggest to remove this surface
> rust?  I have not yet tried using scotchbrite, but would like to hear any
> advice anyone might have.
>
> Thanx!
>
> Steve Reed
> Austin, TX
>

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 18:04:58 -0500
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: deletions& 455 project was Re: Off topic but important

Geeez! I have had to delete about a hundred off topic posts about off topic
posts


my advice?    just let it go man just let it
go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


KK
by the way here is some olds content after about four days of labor my heads
are halfway finished
had to repair the valve machine in process both switches on the damned thing
burned out blew circuit breakers and fuses, but that only took two days to
fix, the short block for this engine is together, and all parts in hand,
will keep updating,......KK

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:28:56 -0700
From: "Peter Berusch" <berusch@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Off topic but important

>Mine is on the way.  peter.

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:34:04 -0400
From: Notes-RTP@tivoli.com
Subject: Tee Templeton/Tivoli Systems is out of the office.

I am out of the office from 05/27/99, returning 06/01/99.  You will receive
only this notification of my absence prior to my return, at which time I
will respond.
I am in a class all the week of 5/10-14.

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:31:38 -0700
From: "Peter Berusch" <berusch@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: WOT :-)

  You mean it isn't Wide Open throttle?  I've been deceived.  Where's the
Jack Daniels?  Peter.




>A newbie on the Toro list was having trouble with common acronyms. He said
>he asked his wife what she thought WOT meant, 'cause she was a more
>experienced internet user. After pondering the question, she replied she
>thought it might mean "wife out of town" (I think she's been in too many
>chat rooms). When the guy posted this back to the Toro list, somebody else
>replied that it didn't mean that, but probably did occur more often when
>wife out of town.
>
>Well, I thought it was funny.
>
>roger
>
>

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:53:14 -0400
From: retrorockets <retrorockets@snet.net>
Subject: Re: What Cam for my 66 98 Conv?

>

Chris wrote:

>  I'm looking for a smooth idle, good low
> end power, don't need much beyond 4500 RPM. I don't really wind it out.
> After all, it's a 98. What suggestions for a cam do you all have?

Chris,
To get the above in a big block you're looking for a cam with about 200-210
duration @ .050 on the intake.  Exhaust duration on an Olds is usually in the
range of 8-12 deg more than the intake.  LCA of around 112 deg will keep 
overlap
down giving you a good idle and manifold vacuum.  The Mondello JM-14-100 or a
Crane HMV-260-2-NC has the right kind of spec.  These are a bit warmer than
stock.  You can't have too high a compression ratio with these cams or you'll
ping.  If you're running 10:1 CR you won't be able to use them.  You'll have to
go to a higher duration to get your cylinder pressure down.  This will cost you
some low end torque.

CR is a most important consideration with today's low octane pee.  Can't really
choose a cam without knowing that.

Dude

>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:10:48 -0400
From: retrorockets <retrorockets@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Non olds/ 225Buford v6 conversion/what will It wear?

Steve,
Saw a 225 odd-fire in a 30s Chevy Truck street rod this week at a cruise.  
Looked
great.  Had headers and an HEI.  Fit like a glove, like it was made for the
truck.  Talked with the owner, he said it ran just fine but was getting 11 mpg
which he thought was a little low.  A little low, duh?!
Dude

Oldsmobeav@aol.com wrote:

>
> can anyone make some suggestions of potential vehicles I might be looking for
> that are dead and need to be put back on the road?, whatever model, or make.
> convertible, coupe or 2dr sedan?
>
> Olds content, saw a 62 starfire today by the house today, beautiful.
>
> Steve
> 37 business coupe
> 65 f85 deluxe
> portland, go blazers

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:06:28 EDT
From: COUPEKING@aol.com
Subject: 15" trim rings

Group-
Have been looking for an inexpensive alternative to the $55/pop NOS trim 
rings for the 15X7" Rally wheels I favor using on my cars. No luck. All the 
trims sent to me by the Paddock, OPG, Coker tire and several other local 
specialty outfits didn't fit. Made for Chevy style Rally wheels and do not 
fit Olds at all. 
Can't be modified to fit either. Sent 'em all back.

Too bad, as I much prefer 'dinging' a $22 trim ring (aftermarket repo's) on a 
street ride to dinging/scraping a $55 item. But not the way it is.

Ordered a set of the NOS ones today from BAP. And will park carefully....

Peter
coupeking

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:21:45 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: New '67 Cutlass Convert. owner

Pont4Door@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hello listers...
> 
> I have just purchased a 1967 Cutlass Convertible...75,000mi, Jetaway, p/s,
> and cold fact. air.

Hmmmmm.  Sounds like that sharp blue one that was on ebay. 
Congratulations!  Though I'm sorry to see it leave the Great
Commonwealth of Pennsylvania...
 
> I will be taking delivery of the auto mid June.  It is in Pennsylvania,

Right around the same time we'll be leaving for Texas in the '67 Ninety
Eight.  Maybe we'll pass each other.
 
> My question to the experts is thus...
> 
> What should I look for prior to making the cross country drive?

Wish I could tell you.  I hoped in the '67 back in '94 and headed for
Canada shortly after purchasing it.  I don't think I even checked the
oil!  But it made it there and back without a problem.  That's when
minor things started to surface due to the fact the car hadn't been
driven more than 500 miles a year for quite a few years.  But still,
nothing major.

Good Luck!  Nice car.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:32:40 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 1965 442 Experts

Dave Tucker wrote:
> 
> 
>   4. Was there a spare tire cover?

This is the only one I feel safe trying to answer.  I don't believe the
A-body cars used a full spare tire cover (the big cars did).  I think
they just used a board to cover the wheel part, leaving the tire
exposed.  The board was covered with the same material used for the
trunk mat.  At least that's what I think I remember seeing somewhere.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:35:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jim-Bow@webtv.net (James M)
Subject: car show

Car show, swap meet, car corral, flea market May 28-29-30 at Big-M in
Churchville, Md. Some of activities there, awesome fireworks saturday
night, door prizes, Dixie Chopper (worlds fastest mower), horse shoe
tournament, saturday night sponsored awards, dash plaques, live music.
Participate in or just enjoy hundreds of the best show cars in 5-state
area. Directions; interstate I - 95 north or south, get off at (Aberdeen
exit) go 5 miles west on route 22  to show grounds next to Big-M. There
is 75 acres of fair grounds. Free ample public parking will be
available. General public admission $5.00 per adult, children 12 and
under free. Show grounds open 7 am. to 11 pm friday and saturday, 7am to
6pm sunday. Gate fees for show cars - 1 day $14, 2 days $28, 3 days $30.
For information, call 410-879-5558 or 410-734-4370 office, or call The
Big-M restaurant at 410-734-778. Judging  done by ISCA Officials, and
NSRA inspections available. I'll be there sat. & sun. Rasberry pearl 73
omega.
Hope to see some of the list there. Sorry for short notice.         

Jim-Bow   73 Omega

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:43:06 -0400
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Off topic but important

Sorry List. I ignore spam, but this one didn't come to me that way. It came
on the letter head from a respected pastor in our area. If it's false, I'll
find out tomorrow. I got it in good faith and passed it on the same way.

- -----Original Message-----


>>I received a request from the Make a Wish Foundation.
>
>No you didn't.
>
>>There is a 17 year old boy named Craig Sheffield.
>
>No there isn't.
>
>>He has terminal cancer.
>
>No he doesn't.
>
>Okay, you get the point. This one is so old it's got whiskers on it. Let's
>just stop it right here. You can check with any representative of the
>Make-a-Wish Foundation on this one; here is one official statement on the
>matter, from http://www.wish.org/missouri/chain_letter.htm:
>
>>The chain letter that is still circulating about a
>>sick child named Craig Shergold, Sherwood or Shurford
>>who is requesting business cards is a hoax. Craig, now
>>17, is alive and well in England and has not made such
>>a request. This solicitation is not connected with Make-A-Wish,
>>even though some of the letters include our name. Please
>>stop the chain if it comes across your desk. Callers may
>>listen to a message explanation by calling the Make-A-Wish
>>of America at 1-800-215-1333, ext. 184.
>
>-- Andy
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________
>Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
>

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:43:56 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 72 98 4dr, Changing front speakers

Eric Aksomitis wrote:
> 
> 
> Do I have to get these speakers out from the under-neath (please say no).

Yuck!!!!  According to the shop manual those grille things are held on
with nuts attached to the underside!  That means removing the glove box
and left hand instrument cluster.  My condolences...

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:46:16 GMT
From: "Chris Rivier" <crivier@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: garage floor(non-olds)

Hi,

A buddy of mine removed driveway grime with a steam cleaner and a little 
gunk type degreaser.  It worked great.  Looks like new.

Before the paint dries add sand to it.  It will add grit to keep it from 
becoming slick.

Just my $0.02,

Chris Rivier
Austin,TX
'66 Delta 88   The BEAST under CONSTRUCTION.
'88 Festiva   ZIPPY 166K Lil' Parts Hauler.
WrEck PiX @ http://www2.bladeti.com/cars


_______________________________________________________________
Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:50:18 -0400
From: "Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Off topic but important

Sorry if it's fake, it sure came at me from the blind side. I hate urban
legends, spam, chain letters, multi-level marketing, Avon, Mary Kay, Herbal
Life, Amway, anyone who calls me with caller ID blocking, phone company
solicitors, salesmen who walk in my place of business selling cheap
trinkets, those who start dirty tricks that play on peoples emotions, and
all of that sort of crap. This came from a respected member of the ministry
in my town. I'll stop it from my end if it's fake.
Ed

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:53:51 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: turn signal falling off 68 442

>Thanks hopefully I'll get away with the screws.
>How are you with carbs.
>68 442 400 auto 
>It burns rich on Idle other than that it's fine.
>Had it apart no visible problems.
>I'm wondering if the floats to high?
>Or I need smaller jets?
>Thanks for your time
>Rob


Rob,
The question is, how good are you with carbs?  I don't know your
experience level and don't want to point out the obvious, but.....

Have you adjusted the idle mixture screws?  One small screw on
each side of the front of the carb.  Tighten them down will lean it
out and loosening them will richen it up.  Basically you want
them set even and the stock spec is something like 2 1/2 turns out
from their fully seated position.  Adjust them evenly in 1/2 turn 
increments until you get the highest idle speed.

So you say you already tried that?  OK, are you sure that the choke
is coming off all the way?  If the choke plate over the primaries isn't
completely vertical then that will give you a rich condition.  Let
me know if you've checked both of these and I'll come up with some
more.  You also may want to try out Karl's Rochester web site.  
Don't have the link but he has them at the end of his posts.  Let
me know how things go.  I've got a 68 Supreme myself.  Mine 
runs on the rich side since I have a set of late model, low comp. heads
on it (I didn't do it!) and the CR is down to about 8.2 from the 9.0 that
the carb is calibrated for.  Just a thought.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 20:55:53 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Brake Dust Problem.

In a message dated 5/27/99 3:12:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM writes:

<< The problem with these shields, as you note, is that they block cooling 
air to
 the brakes.  Hot brakes do not stop, so given the choice, I'll go with the 
dust
 any day.
  >>

The shields I had were vented and I never noticed any problems with the 
brakes.  Because of the vents I still got some brake dust on the wheels, but 
it was reduced.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:00:59 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 70 Cutlass dashboard removal

Tee_Templeton@tivoli.com wrote:
> 
> Also, what do you do for
> back speakers in a convertible?

Olds offered a single rear seat speaker on convertibles.  It goes down
in the well, up against the seat back, on the passenger side.  If you
remove the rear seat you'll see the oval in the sheetmetal where it goes
(there's also one on the the driver's side - guess you could put one
there, too).  You have to cut a hole in the well material and there's a
grille with 4 studs on it that covers the hole (studs go through holes
in sheetmetal), then the speaker goes on from the inside and the
attaching nuts go on.  You used to be able to get the grille from GM
dealers - that was a few years ago - may be unavailable now.  I don't
know if you need a special speaker or not.  They listed one in the parts
book, but it was discontinued.  I bought a convertible speaker but I
think I might have been able to get away with a standard one.  Don't
know what the difference was - 'cept the price.  Apparently the
"correct" convertible speakers are all but non-existant.

Paul
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 21:25:57 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <hurstolds@duesouth.net>
Subject: Re: Alternators

It's top of the line for GM.  :)   A lot of alternators run for years before
dying.  Maybe in your case, it can be listed under "SADS" (sudden alternator
death syndrome).  All kidding aside, I understand your frustration.  But it's
electrical.  Ghosts haunt many of electrical wires in a car.  The VR in your
alternator is more or less zener diode arrangement and very succeptible to
static discharges or heavy mechanical agitation.  Not saying that it was,
just that who knows what might have happened when that part was
built/installed.  However, since it is man-made, lemons will occur.  I've got
lemons in just about every product I've ever bought more than a few of.
Except Oldsmobiles, for some strange reason.  Just kidding.  Luck of the
draw.  Sorry to hear about the dud.  At least an alternator is easy to change
compared to the starter.  I went through 2 rebuilt units in less than a month
from Twighlight Zone one time, and finally just broke down and got the right
one from GM.  Worked ever since.  There's hope!

Mike Rothe

> I bought an AC Delco alternator and it had a bad internal voltage
> regulator.  I thought AC Delco was the top of the line alternator.

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:21:40 EDT
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Chrome Trim for a '70

	Can anyone offer me some tips on how to reinstall the chrome 
windshield or stainless, and back window trim on my Rallye 350? It looks like 
it would be pretty tough to do. 
Thanks,
Jim McKeague

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:22:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: Give us heads

Subject: 1968 442 head
I am looking for a cylinder head for: 1968 442 conv. 400cid, no W-30, ps/pb, no
ac, auto
===================

I have such items, folks, just email me privately



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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:26:14 EDT
From: DROLDS350@aol.com
Subject: Timing and Gaskets

	Could someone recommend a good quality gasket for my Hooker Super 
Comp headers and collector gaskets?
	Also, What would the correct timing be on a 455 engine? I am pretty 
sure the motor is out of a '70 Toro, but has all 442 internal parts. The 
service manual says 6 degrees, I tried 6 and it runs like $%#@. How far can I 
advance this without having any problems. It is a 4bbl automatic with a/c. 
Thanks,
Jim McKeague
1970 Rallye 350
1970 Cutlass S W-31

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:30:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: pickle forx

Better buy a cheapie "pickle fork" ball joint seperator while you're
there.
- -------
NO, as noted, poor steel only spreads apart, either buy a real good one, or do
w/out. One great way to separate taper fit joints is to loosen nut but leave on
threads. If spring loads it to come apart, all the better. Now, with a BIG
hammer and a drift if necessary, smack the outer part SIDEWAYS, along an axis
perpendicular to that of the tapered pin. With a big enough hammer, I have
never known this manner to fail. With too small a hammer, no amount of hitting
will loosen it.

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:32:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: tire pressure vs. tire marks

Letting the air out on radials can give you less traction, as the tire will
cup, choose the right tire pressure by doing moderate burnout on concrete.
The right tire pressure will give you a black patch of even color, while
under inflated will give you two stripes. Overinflated gives you a light
patch on the outside, dark inside.
- --
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little kid runs out in front of me, I can stop in the shortest possible
distance..."

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 19:34:55 PDT
From: "scott slater" <slater442w30@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Chrome Trim for a '70

Well jim the first and best step is to buy new clips.  they will hold better 
and fit tighter than old worn out clips.  You should be able to just take 
your palm and lightly hit the chrome back onto the car.  if your car has 
nice paint you could have someone help you because the side edge chrome and 
top chrome has to be slid together before you start re installing the chrome 
for a better fit.  hope this helps you.

Scott Slater
70 Cutlass Supreme
78 Cutlass Supreme
73 Chrysler T&C wagon


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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 03:02:59 -0500
From: "Charles A. Dempsey" <cdemps@lsumc.edu>
Subject: Re: Wanted: '66 Olds chassis and body service manuals.

"Edward Binnix" <comid@jellico.com> wrote:

> Check ebay. Service, chassis, and body manuals for all sorts 
> of cars and years are ALWAYS on there.

Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com> wrote:

> The books you're looking for are the 66 Chassis Service Manual 
> and (optionally) the Fisher Body Manual for 1966 Oldsmobiles.
> I got mine from .... $60-80 bucks these days...

Thanks for the replies.

I was in the bidding for a '66 Olds CSM last month, but got sniped at
the last minute (Mice!). Haven't seen one since. The older Olds CSMs
come and go, but infrequently.

I'm pretty sure that in 1966 Olds had their own Body Service Manual (not
Fisher). I know that they did in '64 and '65. 

I hope not to pay $60.00 for one. It's not like I need a pristine new
copy. The book's going to get used, so it's better if someone else put
the first greasy prints on it. I could even do without, but I'm addicted
to the written word. Words about cars are best ;-).

I've got a spare '67 CSM (pretty good but with the back cover about 1/2
separated) if anyone would like to trade for a '66 (or even a '65).

Charles

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:50:05 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: rear conv 1/4 trims

Subject: Re: to guy seeking conv rear 1/4 trims

Chris - would those be for a '68/'69?  (I was the guy requesting to the list
but
 I
need them for my '69) Thanks!
Todd

Chris - would those be for a '68/'69?  (I was the guy requesting to the list
but
 I
need them for my '69) Thanks!
Todd


======================
Todd, please reply to my private email

better yet, check your copy of JWO... you ARE an OCA member, right...?



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Date: 27 May 99 19:51:40 PDT
From: Randy Hermsen <76cutlass@netscape.net>
Subject: windshields,speakers,dashboards,headers?

Cool just got the news about the rear speaker on conv. behind back seat?
Gotta go check later I know I got one hole up frt. with air cond in the sheet
metal not dash pad still not back to normal after dash installation last
weekend lol it really is like yoga or airobics ..never do a dash board unless
you absolutly have to ...and keep all radio holes and spk. holes stock sizes
if pos. Ive had to fix some holes before sh tty job.
If you go to my page my 76 has no tint windshield yet I removed a tinted one
and installed with 2 three point rubber suction cups with ease and a second
person always helps.My helper kricket is off to scan pics of the conv. right
now and install on this page tonight
      htt://mypage.goplay.com/Cutlass72-76/. 
the 72 looks pretty rough when we first got her gotta take a pic with the top
down..looks awsome.
Headers Ive been told of tests that proved some stock ex man.pro.better then
headers.Whats the weight diff?I like to stick to stock ex man.W-Z are what Id
go with although looking at the dr. side duels might be a little tight on the
72.I heard someone comment that w-z would fit better on the 76 then the 72
seems strange they came from the earlier time but dont fit as well whats up
with that?The only thing besides the clock thats not workin is the horn gotta
get the meter from work and run some test changed the relay already put on
diff. horn nothin it worked the first day I got the car runnin then after dash
installation the relay just goes click click click...lol
                           check out site later
                               Randy
                                  76 cutlass supreme
                                    72 cutlass supreme conv.(hornless)

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:52:51 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 72 Cs brake booster

From: kanters <kanters@kpd.nl>
Subject: brake booster

Hi,

Anyone got a decent brake booster for a '72 cutlass supreme ?

Thanx,
Ron
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:54:08 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Subject: 72 Cs stripes

Greg,   We are a small paint and body shop in Southern California that
specializes in cars for the movie and tv industry.  We are preparing 2
1971 Olds 442 Convertibles which are all black in color.
========================
Damn, I bet at least one of them does not survive the movie.

I have this nucleus of an idea for a movie starring [mostly] Oldsmobiles, and
Hot Rods...

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:58:49 -0400
From: "Ken" <olds442@en.com>
Subject: Re: 600 mile engine photos

I feel for you man.  The pictures sicken me. Seems to me the dyno numbers
are very light considering the aluminum heads and hot cam you are running.
I think there should be 50-100 more horsepower than what your dyno run
showed. I put my last two motors together by myself.  Had no idea what I was
doing,  read alot, asked alot of questions, and somehow got it together.
The first one I put together lasted about 50 passes down the 1/4 mile. No
dyno numbers, but got 12.20 out of her.  Dont know how long the motor would
have lasted, tore it down at the end of the season.  It was virtually a
carbon copy of your motor without the fancy heads.  The second one I put
together is sitting in the garage.  I got discouraged with all the trips to
the track it took to get the first motor dialed in.  I think I'm going to
have a local shop dyno the new motor and tune for max power before I put it
in the car.  They seem reputable,  the shop is spotless.  I watched an
employee put someones motor together.  He was almost anal with how clean he
kept everything.  There are several magazine articles framed on the wall
featuring motors which they have built.  Not the least of which is a 10.20
second 1970 Buick without nitrous. They want $550 to dyno tune it, expensive
but I figure it may be worth it.  If they wipe the cam they bought it.. heh


  I`ve added pictures to my web site that I took before I sent the
engine back for repair(rebuild), I think you`ll find them quite
interesting considering this shop also builds NASCAR engines.

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:01:07 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: North East USA Car Shows?

In a message dated 5/26/99 1:54:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sreed@chatsworth.com writes:

<< I'm going to be heading back to my old stomping ground of upstate NY
 for the upcoming Woodstock fest this year, and was wondering if anyone has
 heard of any car shows, or swap meets for the last week of July?
 	I'm going to check Hemming's online, but does anyone have any other
 suggestions for finding car shows? >>

Go to http://www.specialinterest.com/

Click on Calendar of Events and chose New York.  I've used it for New Jersey 
and they have some events that Hemmings did not have.  They only cover the 
North East.

Good Luck

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:07:52 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Re: Throttle Bushing Costs

In a message dated 5/27/99 3:45:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
smithtp@ix.netcom.com writes:

<< Evenin' List:
 
 In order to obtain the best performance from my Q-Jet, I've decided
 bushing the throttle shafts would be beneficial.  So, my question is,
 what is a reasonable cost for this job?  I do not need a rebuild.  My
 plan is to simply take only the throttle body to a shop for the job.
 
 In lieu of the above, what is the best procedure for doing this myself,
 are any special drills, etc, necessary, and where would I obtain the
 prerequisite bushings?
 
 Finally, since Off Topic stuff is now in vogue, how about the Stanley
 Cup playoffs?!  Hockey is too cool.  Go 'Leafs! (I like CuJo >>

	I did this in mine (got sick of paying $40 for it) I got the bushings 
from "carburetors unlimited" in Kent and Fife(? maybe auburn) Washington 
(just down the street from me..think they have a web page). The bushings 
were, if I remember correctly, $5 for two of them. Personally, I think there 
is no reason to bush anything BUT the primary throttle shaft, and only on the 
drivers side, as that is the only one that has a substantial load on it (it 
will always move side to side, but front to back or top to bottom movement 
should be minimal) Even the the carb shop does only that one.
	If it's really bad, you will have problems keeping your idle speed 
steady, as the shaft will be real sloppy. It's a "J" drill bit also I think, 
which was a bit hard to find (and pricey for a stinking drill bit) Of course 
I promptly lost it after doing the carb : ) 
										
					Dorian

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:45:45 -0500
From: Brian D Savoy <ninetyeight1973@juno.com>
Subject: Re: 72 98 4dr, Changing front speakers

I replaced my speakers in my '73 Ninety-Eight last month.  Removing the
left instrument "pod" and the glove box are the only way to do this. 
Really not that big of a deal.  Just time consuming.

I had restored my AM/FM/8-Track Stereo prior to replacing the speakers. 
If you are still using your factory radio, the speakers need to be
atleast 8 ohm.  4 ohm may damage a factory stereo.  Radio Shack was the
only place I could find that still carried 8 ohm speakers.  The only
other option is to have your old speakers rebuilt.

Brian in KC
'73 Ninety-Eight Holiday Coupe

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:50:14 EDT
From: Biscayne2d@aol.com
Subject: 3 Speed Floor Shifter

I am Just checking to see if any of you here happen to have a new or used 
Universal floor shifter for a 3 speed manual trans. If you have a complete 
one to sell please get back to me ASAP before I spend alot on a new one 
thanks alot

Paul in WI

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:41:44 -0400
From: "Gib Loudon" <cutlass@mill.tds.net>
Subject: Need Jim Chermack's Email address!

Would some one please reply to me privately at cutlass@mill.tds.net with Jim
Chermack's Email adress?  My computer puked and I lost everything.   Thanks.

Gib "The Rocketman" Loudon
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 22:57:29 -0500
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Off topic but important

yeah I passed it to a few friends out west and my card is also on its
way...KK
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Binnix <comid@jellico.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: Off topic but important


> Sorry List. I ignore spam, but this one didn't come to me that way. It
came
> on the letter head from a respected pastor in our area. If it's false,
I'll
> find out tomorrow. I got it in good faith and passed it on the same way.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
> >>I received a request from the Make a Wish Foundation.
> >
> >No you didn't.
> >
> >>There is a 17 year old boy named Craig Sheffield.
> >
> >No there isn't.
> >
> >>He has terminal cancer.
> >
> >No he doesn't.
> >
> >Okay, you get the point. This one is so old it's got whiskers on it.
Let's
> >just stop it right here. You can check with any representative of the
> >Make-a-Wish Foundation on this one; here is one official statement on the
> >matter, from http://www.wish.org/missouri/chain_letter.htm:
> >
> >>The chain letter that is still circulating about a
> >>sick child named Craig Shergold, Sherwood or Shurford
> >>who is requesting business cards is a hoax. Craig, now
> >>17, is alive and well in England and has not made such
> >>a request. This solicitation is not connected with Make-A-Wish,
> >>even though some of the letters include our name. Please
> >>stop the chain if it comes across your desk. Callers may
> >>listen to a message explanation by calling the Make-A-Wish
> >>of America at 1-800-215-1333, ext. 184.
> >
> >-- Andy
> >
> >
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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:53:14 -0500
From: "Eckie Prater" <Eckie@Prater.com>
Subject: No crack dash

Hi list,
I need an uncracked dash for a 75 Olds Delta 88 vert.
Anyone know of a source?
Thanks.
Eckie Prater
75 Olds vert
73 Buick Electra
73 Pontiac Catalina Safari Wagon

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 00:57:44 EDT
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: 403 into 86 442

I'll be putting my 77-79 403 into my 86 442 in about 2 weeks. I was told that 
a 307 HO chip would allow me to use the 307 computer, but I should re-jet the 
307 carb for the 403. I know it will be a bolt in swap, just curious about 
the details. Any other things I should look out for?

Bernie

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 01:10:28 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Olds F/S in central KY

The following ads are in today's Lexington Herald Leader.  Standard
disclosures apply....

1984 Hurst Olds, lightning rods, T-tops, 70k original miles, new tires,
shocks, battery, tuneups, extra nice.  $8,200 606 744-6124  
CAR IS LOCATED IN THE LEXINGTON, KY AREA (about 15 miles east of Lex)

1985 Olds Toronado, good condition, $800 606 269-7878 
CAR IS LOCATED IN LEXINGTON, KY

Hoep someone is looking for these......

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 01:12:29 -0400
From: "gjcouse" <gjcouse@francomm.com>
Subject: Re: 403 into 86 442

> 307 carb for the 403. I know it will be a bolt in swap, just curious about
> the details. Any other things I should look out for?
>
> Bernie
 Yes Bernie

A major suprising increase of desire to use your WOT while your Wife's Out
of Town.  Hehehe Gary....

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Couse Custom's

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 01:00:54 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Technical Electrical...!!

This question is for the electrical wizards out there!! In my 72 442 I
converted from an external to an internal voltage regulator. 

With the car off, but the ignition key on, the voltage reading at the "BAT"
(+) side of the alternator reads 12.16 volts. The battery itself reads
12.32 volts. There is a .16 difference.

1>>   Is this resistance of .16 OK?

At the #1 terminal of the of the wire connector that plugs into the
alternator there is a reading of 11.97 volts. Car is off ignition is turned
forward.
At the #2 terminal there is a reading of 12.17 volts. Car is off and
ignition is turned forward.

2>> Are these readings OK?

The reason for these questions is that I installed a new AC Delco
alternator and it ran fine at first. Then I started to drive and it rose to
16 volts and came back. A couple of blocks later in pegged out at 18 volts.
I shut the car down and a minute later drove home with the reading being
14.5 volts. 

I replaced the alternator with another unit figuring the internal voltage
regulator on the alternator was bad. I will see what happens today with the
new alternator. I hope the problem was with the alternator not anything
else...
Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Thu, 27 May 1999 23:18:58 -0700
From: Terry Watson <terent@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Wheel adapters

You might give these guys a try:
    Motorsports Technology
    21800 Barton Road, Suite 101
    Grand Terrace, CA  92313

    (909) 514-0091 Tel
    (909) 514-0092 Fax

Their ad says all adapters are hub centric

Good luck
Ter

Harrell17@aol.com wrote:

> Back in the "Good Ol Days" when I was a kid you could buy adapters to change
> wheel bolt patterns, like 5 hole to 6 hole, Ford to Chevy, etc. Does anyone
> know where those can still be found. I have a set of SSII wheels I would like
> to put on my 65 Chevy pickup. Thanks, Jim

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 02:56:32 EDT
From: FIFTY7C@aol.com
Subject: Re: 15" trim rings

Hope the NOS rings your ordered work. Please let me know.. I ordered "NOS" 
from Fusick - no luck. They would not fit.

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 02:09:06 -0600
From: "Igor Todorovic" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 403 into 86 442

> A major suprising increase of desire to use your WOT while your Wife's Out
> of Town.  Hehehe Gary....

Yup!!!

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 02:18:50 -0600
From: "Igor Todorovic" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Re: 600 mile engine photos

> I feel for you man.  The pictures sicken me. Seems to me the dyno numbers
> are very light considering the aluminum heads and hot cam you are running.
> I think there should be 50-100 more horsepower than what your dyno run
> showed. I put my last two motors together by myself.  Had no idea what I
was
> doing,  read alot, asked alot of questions, and somehow got it together.
> The first one I put together lasted about 50 passes down the 1/4 mile.

What happened to make it last only 50 passes.  I put my 455 together by
myself.  I did everything from buying the parts car, disassembly, assembly,
etc......After about 3000 miles now, seems to run good.  Took it to the
track first time last week, did 10 passes and all is still well.  Would like
to take it again tomorrow.  No 12s but I am running almost stock cam, stock
J heads, 307 manifolds, etc. and all that in a '81 Delta 4-door.  Those
pictures though, are bad.  Like he said, probably dropped.  It a shame that
some ASS would do something to such a nice motor.

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:15:48 -0500
From: "Dan Schein" <schein@mailroom.com>
Subject: Sale Places for HurstOlds

Not being into the Olds scene for years now I'm hoping you can point me
towards places on the net that are central hubs for HurstOlds. Yes I'm
looking to sell my 73 and would like to post it at the proper (appropriate?)
places.

Thanks in advance!

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:19:21 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: Timing and Gaskets

14 degrees initial works great on a stock Olds and it will still start with 
no problem....Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:28:19 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: Sale Places for HurstOlds

Go to    http://members.aol.com/cutlascoup/index.html....or click on the blue 
area 
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/cutlascoup/index.html">CUTLASCOUP's Home Page
</A>       Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 04:28:04 -0700
From: mrada@catalina-inter.net (Chris Sparcs)
Subject: Re: Timing and Gaskets

Four42much@aol.com wrote:

> 14 degrees initial works great on a stock Olds and it will still start with
> no problem....Hot Rod Harry

Is that 14 degrees BDC?  I currently have my 68 at  8 degrees BDC and I only
get a minor ping
at WOT.  Have I leaned it out too much?

Chris

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 06:56:14 -0700
From: "Daren & Laurie Hendley" <daren@revealed.net>
Subject: Re: carburator q

According to the Oldsmobile Numbers Swap Meet Guide 17059253 goes on '79 350
& 403 powered 88 sedan & wagon, 98 with a/c, auto, federal emissions and '79
350 Toro with Ca. emissions.

Daren
'48 78
'65 Dynamic 88
'74 88 Conv.
'98 Ram Quad Cab 4x4

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Trond-Jarle Pedersen <olds69@online.no>
To: Olds <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 1999 2:22 PM
Subject: carburator q


> evening olds nuts.
> a friend of mine has a 403 (79)
> this baby needs a new carb.
> he ordered from a local parts store and got a holly 4011
> didn't fit w the ram air.
> so he sent it back.
> now he is ordering a stock replacement
> only thing is that the parts clerk says its for an 79 tornado??
> her is the number:17059253 (there is also another nr:1649b7a)
> soooooo could you please tell me abut this.
> the clerk said it was a 725cfm for a tornado ???
>
> Trond
>

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 07:50:25 EDT
From: Mr6BBL@aol.com
Subject: Re: Off topic but important

In a message dated 5/27/99 2:52:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
comid@jellico.com writes:

> Craig Shefford
>  c/o Children's Perimeter Center East
>  3200 Perimeter Center
>  Atlanta, GA  30345

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:07:20 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Safe Weekend

I'll be going to Boston this weekend so I think I'll sign off the list so the 
mailbox doesn't get full.

Everybody have a happy and safe holiday weekend.  See you all next Tuesday.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:24:54 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: Off topic but important

Sent my business card in.....Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 08:21:37 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: Timing and Gaskets

   Yes , its 14 degreesBTDC.....If you put the right gas in your car you 
should have no problems with 14 degrees (even Sunoco 94 should do it) (of 
couse Cam 2 fuel is better, but expensive)...especially on the 68 and up 
motors...they burn better then the earlier ones....go to a colder plug if you 
have a problem. Of course it all depends on what your whole setup is(headers, 
ignition,carb..etc)....if its stock the 14 should work great!!! Makes a big 
difference in an Olds, from the original spec timing.  Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 05:41:01 -0700
From: mrada@catalina-inter.net (Chris Sparcs)
Subject: Re: Timing and Gaskets

Four42much@aol.com wrote:

>    Yes , its 14 degreesBTDC.....If you put the right gas in your car you
> should have no problems with 14 degrees (even Sunoco 94 should do it) (of
> couse Cam 2 fuel is better, but expensive)...especially on the 68 and up

What I have available is 92 octane.  I don't want to spend $4+ a gallong for
racing gas.

> motors...they burn better then the earlier ones....go to a colder plug if you

I have done this too.

> have a problem. Of course it all depends on what your whole setup is(headers,
> ignition,carb..etc)....if its stock the 14 should work great!!! Makes a big
> difference in an Olds, from the original spec timing.  Hot Rod Harry

My car is stock.  What was the original spec timing?

Chris

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Date: Fri, 28 May 1999 05:43:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 70 Cutlass dashboard removal

- --- Tee_Templeton@tivoli.com wrote:
> I've only got one speaker hole in the front.  I've
> seen offers for two
> speakers on a single speaker structure for stereo. 
> Any comments on those?
> It looks like it would be convenient for installing.
>  Do they sound good or
> is it better to try to rig up something yourself? 
> Also, what do you do for
> back speakers in a convertible?
==================================

I can't help you out with the rear speakers since I am
not sure what a rear deck really looks like on them. I
know that on my hardtop, there were places to mount
the speakers in the deck. I had to use a flush mount
speaker though otherwise I would of had to hack a hole
all the way through the deck. But, that's not what I
was writing about.

About the front speaker. If you can find or rig up
your own set up for the front speaker do it. One of
those set ups where you can put 2 small round speakers
in the space where the one speaker would go. 4 X 10's
are nice because they don't take up too much space,
but even an expensive 4 X 10 will sound crappy. Round
seems to be a much easier shape to produce sound. I
have a Jensen 150W 4 X 10 two way in my Olds. It
sounds nice at a medium volume and with a song with
minimal bass. (Read oldies) But, you get a song like
AC/DC's Thunderstruck and it can't handle that little
bit of bass. So, in MHO, "Rounder is better".

Del
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1985 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler And a 1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler (For Sale)
1981 John Deer Snowmobile And a 197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
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