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Re: New Addition
Re: Cutlass Brakes (fwd)
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WARNING - Happy99 Infecting Olds Digest #1941  !!!!
Happy99 Virus on Olds Mailing List - More info
Convertible Top position
AV Gas
Re: 65-67 Olds Interior Lights
Re: Hust Olds Question
Another rip-off artist in Dallas
1973 Hurst / Olds for sale
Re: headlight trim
Re: Need space
Important regarding digests
levelling system?
Re: Need space
Re: Convertible Top position
Re: Need space
Vibrations- The Final Chapter?
Rear End again.
Re: Differential Math
Vista Cruiser Wood grain
403 Timming Queston
Re: Important regarding digests
Re: New Addition
Re: drag race
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Re: 403 Timming Queston
Re: REQ: 1953 Olds Info
Re: Mid-West listmembers in Tornado Zone
Re: REQ: 1953 Olds Info
70 DELTA88 QUESTIONS
Mechanical vs. hydraulic cam
Re: Never throw anything away!
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1941
UNBOUNCE: '73 H/O For Sale
UNBOUNCE: 350 rebuild h*lp! (fwd)
Re: Happy99 Virus on Olds Mailing List - More info
Re: Happy99 Virus on Olds Mailing List - More info
Re: Convertible Top position
Re: Bolt circle measurements
RE:Shop Manual/Good wiring diagrams  (Plenty of questions)
Re: New Addition
Re: Cutlass Brakes (fwd)
Re: Dash piece? 67 Cutlass
Re: Happy99 Virus on Olds Mailing List - More info
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1941
Re: Dash piece? 67 Cutlass
Need to rebuild a 69/70 455
Re: Vibrations- The Final Chapter?
ID the elusive 403 SMW?
RE: Convertible Top position
Re: 403 rebuild w 350 heads.
Bucket seats
Re: ID the elusive 403 SMW?
Re: Shop Manual/Good wiring diagrams (Plenty of questions)
Today's Inexplicable License Plate
Re: 65-67 Olds Interior Lights
RE: headlight trim 
Re: Today's Inexplicable License Plate
Re: Bolt circle measurements
Re: ID the elusive 403 SMW?
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Re: AV Gas
Re: Restoration
Re: Differential Math

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:34:34 EDT
From: CARMAN442@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Addition

The most important thing to teach your new son is the following:
                                            4=4 Speed
                                            4=4 Barrel
                                            2= Dual Exhaust
Congratulations on the new Oldsmobile fan.
Rich Grega
1969 442

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:42:51 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Cutlass Brakes (fwd)

>It's
>almost like a brake fade problem, but I wouldn't think
>they should get that hot in a matter of a split
>second....
>_______
>
>I haven't been following this one, but it sounds like the master cylinder
has
>some internal leakage, like the seals on the pistons are on their way out.
>
>Joe Padavano


Or possibly brake fluid that has gotten water logged.  Brake fluid will
absorb moisture and with too much of it will give a spongy feel.  Might
try a complete fluid flush.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:01:06 EDT
From: MAT68442@aol.com
Subject: subscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:20:24 -0400
From: "Brad Nicholson" <brad442@mdo.net>
Subject: WARNING - Happy99 Infecting Olds Digest #1941  !!!!

Don't open the attachment to Olds Dogest #1941 IT IS A VIRUS!!!

It shows up as an attachment happy99.exe

I think we all know the rest, just don't execute it or save it or
anything!!!

Brad Nicholson (OCA's WebGuy)
brad442@mdo.net

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:24:54 -0400
From: "Brad Nicholson" <brad442@mdo.net>
Subject: Happy99 Virus on Olds Mailing List - More info

The last message actually in the digest came from the following person.  All
messages after that were truncated, abou 3/4 of the messages listed at the
beginning were lost

Joe Lewis, PLEASE check your PC for the happy99 virus using a name brand
virus protection program with the latest updates, same goes for everyone
else

>Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:21:19 -0700
>From: joe lewis <lewis@amada.net>
>Subject: Re: flywheel 4-speed

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:44:38 -0400
From: "Glenn J. Martin" <martin.glenn@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Convertible Top position

I have a newly restored 1972 Cutlass convertible with a new top and
hardware.  I am wondering if there is any problems with leaving the top
down with the boot on it for the summer? I have a car cover for the car
so dirt inside is not a concern. I see benifits of not puting it up and
down each time I use it but I am concerned that I may do some harm to
the new top if its left down for extended periods of time. I would like
to here from anyone who can offer some opinions.

Thanks

Glenn

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:54:36 -0400
From: "Glenn J. Martin" <martin.glenn@sympatico.ca>
Subject: AV Gas

Aviation fuel comes in two octanes, 80/87 and 100 low lead, 80/87 is
hard to find in Canada but I understand its avialable in the U.S..  Most
airports won't sell it to people driving road vehicles.  Our fixed based
operator use to sell it to the local stock car racers that he new. This
was many years ago before  the higher grades were available at the
pumps.

Glenn
72 Cutlass Convertible
DH-82C Tiger Moth Bi-plane

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:46:30 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: 65-67 Olds Interior Lights

Chris Fair wrote:
> 
> All,
> When should the lights in my 66 Starfire go on?

When it's dark?????
 
> Are they supposed to be in synch with the console & map lights which go on
> when the doors open? Or are they on a switch -- like the headlight switch?
> 
> When should the rear seat sail panel round lights go on? Are they switched
> by the headlight switch? Or should they too go on when the doors are opened?

Here's how my '67 Ninety Eight's work.  Open a door and all lights come
on (2 under dash and 2 rear sail panel).  To turn on the rear sail panel
lights I turn the headlight knob past the full bright position for the
instrument lights.  I have a courtesy switch on the dash for the under
dash lights.  I have no map/console lights.

In checking "The Archives", my '66 owner's manual says this:

Headlight, Instrument Pane and Dome Light Switch - "To operate the dome
and courtesy lights, turn the switch knob fully counterclockwise."

Courtesy & Map Lights - "The courtesy lights and map light are
controlled by the switch located aboth the glove compartment door."

Confused?  Are the courtesy lights controlled by both switches?  And
what, exactly, do they mean by courtesy lights?

Maybe they're all supposed to come on at the same time with either
switch.

Paul
> 
> So far I have the console and map lights working properly. That is, they are
> switched by the doorjamb switches, but I have not figured out how to map in
> the rest of the courtesy lights.
> 
> Any advice you have to give is welcome, I've never had a 60's Olds hardtop
> before and my 98 convert doesn't have all these lights.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> cf
> 
> PS: The shortnose waterpump went in just fine. While I was at it, I put in
> new belts, NOS (well o.k., boneyard) fan shroud, and a new 63amp alternator.

- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:09:13 -0400
From: Mike Rothe <hurstolds@duesouth.net>
Subject: Re: Hust Olds Question

69 Hurst/Olds VIN list.  553 obtained from Demmer records.  Potential car may
or may not be on the list.  What # you looking for?  Sorry,  I'm rebuilding the
web page right now and having a time getting my server to get it to
upload....but I can check.  All I need is the last 6 numbers.  Plus if you need
some tips on how to tell if it's a REAL one or not, I can do that too.  E-mail
me privately. hurstolds@duesouth.net
Mike Rothe



> I had mentioned a few weeks ago that I had a 68 Hurst registry list at work
> with VIN #'s

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:06:39 -0400
From: "person" <vbdeveloper@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Another rip-off artist in Dallas

Received this at work form our Dallas office. All you guys/gals in Dallas
BEWARE.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
+
+
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
VBDeveloper@worldnet.att.net

                                       =
                                           =
                                                =
==================================
'69 Olds Ninety-Eight Topless Bubba=========
====666=================999============
        666                                  999



>Hi everyone!! I am in need of any advice , I thought this was the best
>place to post this.
>One of my vehicles needed another engine, so I went to a company called
>Lonestar Engines in Dallas Tx. In 2 days the car was said to be done , we
>picked it up the next day the power steering went out , and then it would
>not go abov e 20 miles per hour, then had a loud loud loud knocking sound.
> We called this co up they would not tow our car back to shop because it
>was warranty work.   Car now back in shop 8 days later I got frustrated
>and told them I was aware of them being unsatisfactory with the Better
>Business Bureau  so they get the car done that day , we picked up the next
>day , power steering is out again and antifreeze has leaked all over.  I
>called them to let them know this guys response was   when you put in a
>rebuilt engine , the old parts sit there 3-4 days and when they are put
>back in  the car sometimes doesnt run the way it used to !!
>Now that really frustrated me!!
>I have called the BBB
>a John Herman with the city
>The eyeteam channel 4 news
>and now Sabrina Smith channel 5 news who was referred by John Herman, he
>said she is currently doing an expose on this co.
>
>If these investigators cannot help me , can anyone reccommend anything??
>If not , this is just an FYI not to use this co.
>
>Thanks in advance
>Sandra
>
>

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:07:59 -0500
From: "Dan Schein" <schein@netzero.net>
Subject: 1973 Hurst / Olds for sale

My 1973 Hurst/Olds has gradually shifted from a labor of love to just labor
over the 16 years I have owned it. Rather than see it sit and go unused or
worse, I have made the (hard) decision to sell it. You can see photos and
get all the details at http://schein.webjump.com/olds/73ho.html

Thanks in advance for any help in finding a new home for this beauty.

- -Dan
- ---
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West Lawn, PA USA -=- TLCA Member 6687
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and The Toyota Land Cruiser WebRing

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:10:39 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: headlight trim

Or a 68 door

>like a 68 or 69 headlight houseing
>
>paul freeman wrote:
>
>> having trouble finding head light trim for my 80 cutlass supreme,
>> does anyone know were i can find some. it sucks having the only year
>> with double flat headlights.
>>
>> paul freeman
>> taunton,mass
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:58:05 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Need space

Who doesn't?  4 car garage here at home and I still have to rent one a
few blocks away.

Anyway, what did you think of Hershey?  I was in at Noon and out by
One.  I was gonna try to meet up with you, but wasn't online 'til real
late Friday night and figured you weren't on anymore.  I looked for you
there, but there were to many guys meeting your previously given
description.  Maybe you saw me.  I was the one in the Olds T-shirt
carrying that huge, heavy bumper.

I had a minor Chapter emergency to attend to Friday night, then had to
take the bumper off the '67.  I emailed those Rechrome guys.  He emailed
back on Thursday telling me he'd be at Hershey.  Real short notice. 
Told me their bumpers have a Secret Squirrel marking on the back and
that I should bring it and he'll tell me if it's his.  This his and
they'll gladly rechrome it, but can't have it done before I leave for
Nationals.  So it went back on the car on Sunday.  Now it'll have to
come off again in the Fall to be delivered to them at Fall Hershey and
they'll rechrome it over the Winter.  Thanks for you help in contacting
them.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:30:05 EDT
From: LooseCanno@aol.com
Subject: Important regarding digests

Greg, et al:

I just received digest 1941, which says it will be saved as "Happy99".

Isn't that a known virus program?  I have refrained from downloading, but 
thought maybe someone would know more about this.

Erik
'69 Cutlass 'S' convert

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:33:39 PDT
From: "mike jones" <sspazzer@hotmail.com>
Subject: levelling system?

I wouls like to add the GM levelling system to my '78 Delta 88.  Car did not 
come with it from the factory.  However, I want to use it in conjunction 
with air bags inside the rear springs rather than use air shocks.  Is this 
possible?  I know that the levelling system was an option for my year 
vehicle so adapting it should be no problem (have service manuals and such 
at my disposal).

Mike Jones
'78 Delta 88 (350/Th350,107k)


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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:38:02 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Need space

Paul Hartlieb wrote:
> 
> Who doesn't?

Sorry folks, that was supposed to be a private post.

I've got to keep telling myself - cut AND paste, cut AND paste...

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:41:29 -0400
From: Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top position

Glenn J. Martin wrote:
> 
> I have a newly restored 1972 Cutlass convertible with a new top and
> hardware.  I am wondering if there is any problems with leaving the top
> down with the boot on it for the summer? I have a car cover for the car
> so dirt inside is not a concern. I see benifits of not puting it up and
> down each time I use it but I am concerned that I may do some harm to
> the new top if its left down for extended periods of time. I would like
> to here from anyone who can offer some opinions.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Glenn

Leaving it down may not be a good idea.  I worked with a guy once that
had a friend that did this once.  They had trouble getting the top to
meet at the windshield due to shrinking (that's not really the term I
want) of the material.  They had to use a hair dryer so the material
could expand enough that the top could be latched.  Mine seems to to
this *mildly* after about a week.  I've never left mine down all Summer.

Paul
- -- 
Paul Hartlieb
Myerstown, PA
mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:39:32 -0400
From: "Randy Geisel" <Rocket455@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Need space

> Anyway, what did you think of Hershey?

I didn't make it. I ended up laying carpet this past weekend. My way of
keeping my wife happy since I'm getting the other H/O parts car.

 > I was in at Noon and out by One.

Damn......I thought I got through Carlisle quick on Sunday (3 hrs)
You either had specific places too go to or the meet was terrible.

>I looked for you  there, but there were to many guys meeting your
previously given description.

We'll meet before the summer is over. I'm sure of that.

> Told me their bumpers have a Secret Squirrel marking on the back and
> that I should bring it and he'll tell me if it's his.  This his and
> they'll gladly rechrome it

That's interesting. Pretty neat way to keep track of their work. Glad to
hear they'll redo it for you too. Better late than never.

Did you get a chance to send me an app for the Club?

Randy

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:54:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Dr. Olds - K. Wood)
Subject: Vibrations- The Final Chapter?

I think I have narrowed down my ongoing vibration problem to the rear
end.  I don't know how or what, but here's what I have tested.

First I drove the car 90 Mph.  Huge pulsing
vibrations.  Dropped the car into neutral, the engine idled down, the
vibration became a constant vibration until the car coasted down to
about 70.  During this coasting I revved the engine up a couple of
times, and it sounded fine. No noise there.

I then removed the 275 60 15's from the rear
and replaced them with a spare set of 245 60
14's that I have laying around.  Took the car for
a ride.  Vibration occured at same speedometer
range, although actual speed was obviously slower... the rear-end was
moving at the same speed.   I looked in the rear view mirror when the
vibration was going on, and I could literally
see the back window vibration-- ( the mirror 
was too, of course ).

Anyway- as you know if you've been following this, I had new gears
installed last year, and
all new bearings.  This was set up by a very
reputable guy that specialized in GTO's, which
is what the rear-end is from.  I took the carrier
into him without the axles, and he did the set up.  I ran the car
tonight with the back wheels off the ground, and the wheels seem to turn
reasonably straight.  Can't say for sure, as I am
not comfortable running the car at 75 Mph on
jackstands. Should I be?

Basically, all else has been systematically eliminated, so what can I
look for with the
rear-end?  The only things that come to mind
are...
1) It's a 68 Gto Rear- Seems to fit right, but
is it compatible officially?
2) Is the driveline angle right?  Looks good to me, but how can I tell?
3)  Possibly a bent axle?  Doubt it... Just replaced one with a
completely different one,
and the other is straight.
4)  Can the housing itself be out of alignment
somehow?
5)  Can a bad posi carrier cause this?  I bought
it used at a swap meet about 6 or 8 years ago,
and it fits fine in the housing... I can't remember
if I had the vibration before this carrier.  Basically I got that the
same time I had the
engine rebuilt- had the previous and recently
replaced trans rebuilt- and at the time I was
building a 72 Cutlass S, which has long since
rusted away.  The vibration has jumped from that car to this one.  

Any differential specialists in the house?

Kevin D. Wood
Dr-Olds@webtv.net

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:57:31 -0500 (CDT)
From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Dr. Olds - K. Wood)
Subject: Rear End again.

Incidentally, anybody in the Milwaukee or Southeast Wisconsin area have
a rear-end for
sale.  Open or otherwise.  I want to get mine fixed, but I have a
feeling I am better off to get
a reasonably priced replacement for a few weeks if I can find one.

If I hadn't just put brand new gears and all new
bearings in this rearend, I would be shopping for another one.  I would
like to find one that
will use the same gears, which unfortunately
is very uncommon.

Kevin D. Wood
Dr-Olds@webtv.net

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:57:19 -0400 (EDT)
From: vfquick442@webtv.net (markas)
Subject: Re: Differential Math

I think I`m gonna pull the rear pan as suggested I can`t be sure the
rear was not changed.I think the car was raced at some time prior to my
purchase in 93.I finished it in 95 and have put very few miles on it.The
motor was done professionally and came in at  425 + HP.I know one thing,
this car is scary when stomped on.I can break tires loose at 15 MPH.When
using dual gate at 5000 RPM,Car is going   80+ Mph at shift point.My
Question is,after dropping pan,what am I looking for?Any tricks to
putting it back together? Is this covered in service manual? Can a
cabinet maker handle this? I`m good at detail stuff,But new carb and
fuel line was a 16 beer project.How many beers is this going to take?
TIA all replies appreciated,Anyone???... Karl????
Thanx,
Markas            P.S.  Numbers quoted are approx.                       
           But pretty close.
.

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 22:02:09 -0500
From: texas442 <texas442@flash.net>
Subject: Vista Cruiser Wood grain

Hello everyone,

Anyone knows of a good source to order the wood grain on the exterior of
a Vista Cruiser?  Thanks. 

Ali Zalzala
email:  texas442@flash.net
http://www.flash.net/~texas442

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:59:56 -0700
From: Andy Lawrence <lawrencj@coral.indstate.edu>
Subject: 403 Timming Queston

I have a new rebuilt 403 with a mild CAM, it has a stock HEI
ingnition....The problem that i am having is timing the engine.....The
Harmonic balancer is off of mark so i can't time it that way, i have it
timmed by ear the best that i can....But i can't help feeling that i could
still get more performance out of it.....

I don't have any Dial calpers to refind the TDC mark, but there has to be
another way.......

Andy
79 Olds Cutlass(410ci)

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:39:35 EDT
From: Biscayne2d@aol.com
Subject: Re: Important regarding digests

Yes Happy (( IS A VIRUS I really dont think you want to download it

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:52:11 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: New Addition

Geez, how many people on the list have kids on the way?  After I 
met Chris Casteel last weekend I found out his wife is about as far
along as mine (due Aug 30th, might have the kid on Labor Day! LOL)

<snip>
 At least you didn't name the baby "Cutlass". ;-)

<snip>

While picking out potential names my wife decided that she would 
come up the girls name and I could choose the boys name.  She 
changed her mind after I came up with "Ram Rod".  Go figure.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 00:03:10 -0400
From: Mark Hahn <mahahn@fuse.net>
Subject: Re: drag race

But then the avoidance of paying taxes as much as LEGALLY
POSSIBLE is why I am still in business.  (Thought I had better throw
that in so no one things I advocate evasion, which is a whole different
topic.)


Be careful Don, BIG BROTHER is watching.........haha

Mark

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:09:08 EDT
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: subscribe oldsmobile

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 23:19:14 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: 403 Timming Queston

>I have a new rebuilt 403 with a mild CAM, it has a stock HEI
>ingnition....The problem that i am having is timing the engine.....The
>Harmonic balancer is off of mark so i can't time it that way, i have it
>timmed by ear the best that i can....But i can't help feeling that i could
>still get more performance out of it.....
>
>I don't have any Dial calpers to refind the TDC mark, but there has to be
>another way.......
>
>Andy
>79 Olds Cutlass(410ci)

Andy,  
Take the #1 spark plug out and cut a piece of coat hanger so you can 
"feel" down the plug hole.  Slowly have a friend rotate the engine as you
feel the top of the piston.  You should be able to determine the center of
the piston rockover at TDC.  Paint a white line on the balancer 
corresponding to your timing tab and your done.  Your other option is to 
find TDC and bend the timing tab to line up.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/
 

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 21:46:53 -0700
From: Daniel Rieke <wssc@rt66.com>
Subject: Re: REQ: 1953 Olds Info

If anyone needs info on 1953 olds, i have a 53 98, as well as a parts car,
and about 7 original manuals for this year, carb manual, paint chips, parts
number book, service station manual, etc etc etc....

Still wanting for anyone to reply to my post from a week ago re: minor
adjustmanets in mating a 57 olds J-2 to my 53 hydromatic..PLEASE HELP!! I
HAVE HAD NO RESPONCE!

Daniel

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Reed, Stephen wrote:
> > Hey List!
> >       I have just found out about a 1953 Olds from a guy at work.
>
> Hey Steve!
>
> What happened? Did you get it? Sounds like there has to be an interesting
> story connected with it... fill us in.
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 00:53:33 EDT
From: Jetaway4sp@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mid-West listmembers in Tornado Zone

If you guys have seen the news I am sure you have seen the incredible 
destruction by these tornadoes. It is amazing what damage the automobiles 
receive, as though the wrath of God is brought against these machines. When 
you see how they are destroyed you understand why the weathermen always say 
that your car is a very dangerous place to be.

Cars that were in garages are thrown blocks away and piled up like old Hot 
Wheels cars. Many of the fatalities are the result of cars being hurled into 
houses.

And here us car nuts thought that keeping our treasured vehicles at home in 
the garage would insure them against injury.

But when it is all said and done, the folks who escape these monstrous storms 
with their families intact, couldn't care less about their material 
possessions. 

Kind of puts things in perspective, don't you think ?

Randy in Oklahoma
57 88 J2

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 01:04:56 EDT
From: Jetaway4sp@aol.com
Subject: Re: REQ: 1953 Olds Info

Daniel,

I will add a little to you quest. I would tend to think that you should use 
the 57 flywheel. You would need to check if the 53 flex plate will match up 
with the flywheel. By sticking with the 57 flywheel, starter mounting and 
alignment is kept the same, and the balance of the engine should be close to 
stock. 

The only headers I know of have been custom made. I have a header flange kit 
for the 57 371. You could have some made while you have the heads available. 
But I would prepare for a hefty bill for a lot of labor.

Good luck.

Randy in Oklahoma
57 88 J2

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 22:42:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: EDMUND WILLIAMS <efw67@yahoo.com>
Subject: 70 DELTA88 QUESTIONS

I want to know if a radiator shroud for a 70 Delta88 with a 455 motor
with AC will work on a 455 motor
without AC. I am thinking of buying a shroud off of an AC car to put on
my non AC car. Anyone who might know if this will work please E-Mail
me. Also will '70 98 front fenders work on a '70 88? And finally, I
want to make my single exhaust into duals on my 88 can I use the
original single exhaust manifols to do this? Anyone please help me.
Thanks Ed
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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 01:05:13 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Mechanical vs. hydraulic cam

If you have 2 cams identical to each other (spec wise). How much more power
would a mechanical (non-roller) cam make over the hydraulic?

Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 01:10:41 -0600
From: Oldsmagnet <buehner@lyrea.com>
Subject: Re: Never throw anything away!

> Karl was born a poor black child in the Wiscilliana territories....

Whew...  there for a second I thought we were gonna hear a story involving a
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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 04:17:49 EDT
From: AMALyman@aol.com
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1941

In a message dated 99-05-04 20:35:18 EDT, you write:

<< File:  Happy99.exe (63442 bytes)
 DL Time (28800 bps): < 1 minute
 
 This message is a multi-part MIME message and will be saved with the default 
filename Happy99.exe >>
 Can someone tell me why this oldsmoble-digest comes whith the Happy99 Virus 
attached?

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 05:54:28 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '73 H/O For Sale

Not on the list; respond to schein@netzero.net if interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Subject: 1973 Hurst / Olds for sale

My 1973 Hurst/Olds has gradually shifted from a labor of love to just labor
over the 16 years I have owned it. Rather than see it sit and go unused or
worse, I have made the (hard) decision to sell it. You can see photos and
get all the details at http://schein.webjump.com/olds/73ho.html

Thanks in advance for any help in finding a new home for this beauty.

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 05:57:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 350 rebuild h*lp! (fwd)

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: chris costantino <acostan3@tampabay.rr.com>
Subject: 350 rebuild h*lp!

I'll try to keep this as brief as possible. 1972 Cutlass, I had my 350
rebuilt at thanksgiving time (I pulled it, sent it out, and re-installed
it). It ran for a total of 5 minutes before a cam bearing seized and broke
the cam. I called the engine rebuilder and he took car of it. I pulled it,
sent it, and put it back in. Now - here's where things turn bad. The car has
a rough idle and a ton of chatter in the heads. The roughness will smooth
out when you come off idle, but something is not quite right. I didn't put a
stock cam in. My requirements were a little more power but a VERY smooth
idle. The rockers were not replaced, but the pivots were (that makes no
sence to me). One mechanic friend says that the rockers have to be replaced,
the rebuilder says that won't help the rough idle. Oh, I also converted to
HEI. The gap was supposed to be set to .06, I'll know for sure in the
morning. That wire that must be replaced when you move to HEI has not been,
it's just spliced right now. One big difference between the two rebuild is
the amount of slack in the timing chain. The first time around there was
absolutely NO slack, this time there was quite a bit. Could that explain it?

Here's my attack plan:
1)replace the wire for the HEI and check all the plugs
2)put a timing light on the motor and rev it up to check for slack in the
timing chain
3)replace the rockers and pivots
4)pray to God that one of those thigs fixes the problem

If anyone has experienced something like this before - PLEASE HELP!!!

What started out as exciting has now spiraled to an absolute nightmare! I
can't bear the thought of having to pull that motor a third time.

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 06:00:49 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Happy99 Virus on Olds Mailing List - More info

I had hoped we were past his problem, but as several have noted the last
digest had the happy99 virus attached. The user and his postmaster have
been notified. Do not open the attachment. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 06:23:26 -0500 (EST)
From: jhbII <jh2nlla@noblecan.org>
Subject: Re: Happy99 Virus on Olds Mailing List - More info

At 06:00 AM 5/5/99 -0300, you wrote:
>_SUBJECTS_
>
>
>I had hoped we were past his problem, but as several have noted the last
>digest had the happy99 virus attached. The user and his postmaster have
>been notified. Do not open the attachment. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>   Hi Greg, Which "digest" are you talking about and should I just delete
it?Thanks,Jack

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 06:37:22 -0500
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Convertible Top position

I have a new top (two months old) and if left down for a whole weekend, it
takes my whole body weight on the frame to get the hooks to latch.  The
vinyl shrinks quickly when folded.  I wouldn't go more than a week.  If you
do go for a while, I'd suggest not latching the top until you leave it out
in the sun for a while to soften up some.

- -greg z

- -----Original Message-----
From: Glenn J. Martin <martin.glenn@sympatico.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 9:11 PM
Subject: Convertible Top position


>I have a newly restored 1972 Cutlass convertible with a new top and
>hardware.  I am wondering if there is any problems with leaving the top
>down with the boot on it for the summer? I have a car cover for the car
>so dirt inside is not a concern. I see benifits of not puting it up and
>down each time I use it but I am concerned that I may do some harm to
>the new top if its left down for extended periods of time. I would like
>to here from anyone who can offer some opinions.
>
>Thanks
>
>Glenn

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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 07:59:05 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Bolt circle measurements

Yes


http://www.rsracing.com/wheelstuff.html

http://www.mste.uiuc.edu/tcd/Bolt_Circle/bcd.html


Omega Man




At 07:54 PM 5/4/99 EDT, you wrote:
>Can someone tell me the convention for measuring the bolt circle diameter
for 
>auto wheels.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Vince Knight
>'71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
>

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 07:18:57 -0500 
From: "Eichten, Brent" <Brent.Eichten@westgroup.com>
Subject: RE:Shop Manual/Good wiring diagrams  (Plenty of questions)

I found the 1971 Chassis Service Manual on www.bibliofind.com. 

Brent Eichten
1971 Cutlass Supreme
1999 Silhouette GLS

>>Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:54:37 -0700 
From: "Mountney, Scott" <scott.mountney@attws.com>
Subject: Shop Manual/Good wiring diagrams  (Plenty of questions)

Does anyone know where to get the original GM shop manual for 1972
Cutlass/Supreme/442?<<

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:17:17 EDT
From: DKlauber@aol.com
Subject: Re: New Addition

Congrats!!  Mine will turn 1 tomorrow, you will have the best year of your 
life the next year!  Just hope you don't need or desire sleep.  David

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 05:42:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Cutlass Brakes (fwd)

> >I haven't been following this one, but it sounds
> like the master cylinder
> has
> >some internal leakage, like the seals on the
> pistons are on their way out.
> >
> >Joe Padavano
> 
> 
> Or possibly brake fluid that has gotten water
> logged.  Brake fluid will
> absorb moisture and with too much of it will give a
> spongy feel.  Might
> try a complete fluid flush.
> 
===============================
It's more then likely the master cylinder. The seals
on the piston are more then likely going out. I only
say this because the pedal doesn't feel spongy. It did
at first but after bleeding the pedal does feel firm
but the brakes just don't grab well in panic
situations. Never have checked the actual brake
pistons on each wheel though.......
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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 08:48:41 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: Dash piece? 67 Cutlass

Dave Wants to Know:

> Looking for the dash piece that goes around the front of the radio for a
> 67 Cutlass
> 
> Anybody got one for sale or know where I could get one?

Dave (and other 66-67 Cutlii Owners):

There's a guy in CT named Bill LaPierre, and all he does iss 66-67.  I've
bought some stuff from him.  Prices are reasonable and he *knows* those
cars.  His addy is:

LaPierre, Bill 
27 Heather Lane 
Somers, CT 
 
Olds Parts Guy - 
Coordinator of the 
N.E. Olds Club 
 
(860)  763 - 3134 (H) 
 


Tim Churchill  tchurchill@draper.com  OCA #30327  Framingham, MA
- ----------------------------------------------------------------
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'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, new a.k.a 'Old Gold'
'98 VW Passat GLS Wagon, a.k.a. 'der Kinderwagen'

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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 08:58:58 -0400
From: Denney Keys <denney.j.keys.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Subject: Re: Happy99 Virus on Olds Mailing List - More info

Greg,

Thanks for the warning, I have always, and still do, think you do a great
job with the list!

Denney

At 06:00 AM 5/5/99 -0300, you wrote:
>_SUBJECTS_
>
>
>I had hoped we were past his problem, but as several have noted the last
>digest had the happy99 virus attached. The user and his postmaster have
>been notified. Do not open the attachment. Sorry for the inconvenience.
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 08:58:16 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1941

Does anyone know what happens if you run the Happy99 virus?
Maybe I should fire it up on my cubical buddys machine and find out :->

Olds content......none

Omega Man







At 04:17 AM 5/5/99 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 99-05-04 20:35:18 EDT, you write:
>
><< File:  Happy99.exe (63442 bytes)
> DL Time (28800 bps): < 1 minute
> 
> This message is a multi-part MIME message and will be saved with the
default 
>filename Happy99.exe >>
> Can someone tell me why this oldsmoble-digest comes whith the Happy99 Virus 
>attached?
>

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 07:58:22 -0500
From: "David Popadic" <davepop@execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Dash piece? 67 Cutlass

> There's a guy in CT named Bill LaPierre, and all he does iss 66-67.  I've
> bought some stuff from him.  Prices are reasonable and he *knows* those
> cars.  His addy is:
> 
> LaPierre, Bill 
> 27 Heather Lane 
> Somers, CT 
>  


Didn't this guy have a web page some where (maybe email?)

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:09:26 -0500 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas.Martin@motorola.com>
Subject: Need to rebuild a 69/70 455

Where do I start to look for the best prices on parts?

I am looking at either a 403 for a decent price local, or a 455 free that I
have to tow 200 miles.  (comes with complimentary Delta 88 4 door....:)

Where is the best prices for pistons, bearings, gaskets, rings, oil pump,
timing set, etc?  

I am not looking for a race motor, just a stout engine to push tall gears.
Normal cruise rpm is 1600-2200, I want max torque there.  

Any recommendations?  77 "K" 403 (from Toro w/Misar) or 69/70 455?  I am
replacing a 77 350 "R" in a 85 Cutlass, that was replacing a 307 "Y".

Thanks!
Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac Power!
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800 Buick Power!

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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:11:05 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Vibrations- The Final Chapter?

Are you positive your drive shaft isn't bent or out of balance??

Omega Man



At 09:54 PM 5/4/99 -0500, you wrote:
>I think I have narrowed down my ongoing vibration problem to the rear
>end.  I don't know how or what, but here's what I have tested.
>
>First I drove the car 90 Mph.  Huge pulsing
>vibrations.  Dropped the car into neutral, the engine idled down, the
>vibration became a constant vibration until the car coasted down to
>about 70.  During this coasting I revved the engine up a couple of
>times, and it sounded fine. No noise there.
>
>I then removed the 275 60 15's from the rear
>and replaced them with a spare set of 245 60
>14's that I have laying around.  Took the car for
>a ride.  Vibration occured at same speedometer
>range, although actual speed was obviously slower... the rear-end was
>moving at the same speed.   I looked in the rear view mirror when the
>vibration was going on, and I could literally
>see the back window vibration-- ( the mirror 
>was too, of course ).
>
>Anyway- as you know if you've been following this, I had new gears
>installed last year, and
>all new bearings.  This was set up by a very
>reputable guy that specialized in GTO's, which
>is what the rear-end is from.  I took the carrier
>into him without the axles, and he did the set up.  I ran the car
>tonight with the back wheels off the ground, and the wheels seem to turn
>reasonably straight.  Can't say for sure, as I am
>not comfortable running the car at 75 Mph on
>jackstands. Should I be?
>
>Basically, all else has been systematically eliminated, so what can I
>look for with the
>rear-end?  The only things that come to mind
>are...
>1) It's a 68 Gto Rear- Seems to fit right, but
>is it compatible officially?
>2) Is the driveline angle right?  Looks good to me, but how can I tell?
>3)  Possibly a bent axle?  Doubt it... Just replaced one with a
>completely different one,
>and the other is straight.
>4)  Can the housing itself be out of alignment
>somehow?
>5)  Can a bad posi carrier cause this?  I bought
>it used at a swap meet about 6 or 8 years ago,
>and it fits fine in the housing... I can't remember
>if I had the vibration before this carrier.  Basically I got that the
>same time I had the
>engine rebuilt- had the previous and recently
>replaced trans rebuilt- and at the time I was
>building a 72 Cutlass S, which has long since
>rusted away.  The vibration has jumped from that car to this one.  
>
>Any differential specialists in the house?
>
>Kevin D. Wood
>Dr-Olds@webtv.net
>
>

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:14:09 -0500 
From: Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas.Martin@motorola.com>
Subject: ID the elusive 403 SMW?

I know, the SMW 403 has been beaten to death, but I have found what car I
feel MAY have come with them, IF they really exist.  

I suspect if ANY car DID have it, it would be a 77 Buick/Olds/Pont/Hearse
wagon with the HD towing package and HD brakes, then secondly it would be
the 403 "K" that had the Misar computer control system installed on Toro's
in 1977, then some of the 77 T/A's with the 403. 

So, I have a 77 Toro to look at, with complete 403 "K", and a disabled
Misar, where do I look to know if it is a SMW motor?  What block codes and
where do I find them?

Question:  Has Mondello ACTUALLY seen one?  Or is he basing his info on what
SHOULD have been made?  Did they use 350 tooling/casting to make the 403
SMW?  Just used larger cylinders?

Thanks!
Thomas Martin
80 Turbo Trans AM 400 Pontiac Power!
85 Cutlass Supreme Rocket 350 CCC
91 Bonneville LE 3800 Buick Power!

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:32:32 -0500 
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: Convertible Top position

My dad's convertible was stored a few months with the top down and it
took forever (out in the warm sun) to get the almost permanent wrinkles
out of it!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Paul Hartlieb [SMTP:plh@nbn.net]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 04, 1999 9:41 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: Convertible Top position
> 
> Glenn J. Martin wrote:
> > 
> > I have a newly restored 1972 Cutlass convertible with a new top and
> > hardware.  I am wondering if there is any problems with leaving the
> top
> > down with the boot on it for the summer? I have a car cover for the
> car
> > so dirt inside is not a concern. I see benifits of not puting it up
> and
> > down each time I use it but I am concerned that I may do some harm
> to
> > the new top if its left down for extended periods of time. I would
> like
> > to here from anyone who can offer some opinions.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Glenn
> 
> Leaving it down may not be a good idea.  I worked with a guy once that
> had a friend that did this once.  They had trouble getting the top to
> meet at the windshield due to shrinking (that's not really the term I
> want) of the material.  They had to use a hair dryer so the material
> could expand enough that the top could be latched.  Mine seems to to
> this *mildly* after about a week.  I've never left mine down all
> Summer.
> 
> Paul
> -- 
> Paul Hartlieb
> Myerstown, PA
> mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:30:58 -0500
From: "Ian M. C. Dixon" <iand@sbrc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: 403 rebuild w 350 heads.

Olds Listers,

Thanks to all the listers who replied to my question;  I have drilled 
out the missing holes in the 3A 350 heads to accomodate the 
403's unique water jacket arrangement.  BTW this advice was also 
backed up by the folks at Batten engineering (Terry Straubel) in 
Michigan.

Regards,
Ian

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 06:40:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Bucket seats

Well, work is really slow today so I figured I would
kill a little time and ask a question or two. A while
back I put in a large order from Year One. (Very
pleased I must say on speed and accuracy.) I ordered
the seat covering and seat cushions for my Olds. I got
most of my items a while back, but the seat vinyl is
on back order. (Should be here soon though) My
question is this. Has anyone ever ordered the bucket
seat foam from Year One and installed it yourself?
They state in the catalog that professional
installation is recomended. The catalog also said this
about the headrest covers. The headrests I will admit
took me a little while, but they turned out very nice
considering this was my first time working with vinyl.
I was just wondering how much cutting and fitting will
need to be done with these foams. They also came with
this brown felt-like material on the edges that seem
to be glued on. I am guessing those are what wrap
around and hold the foam in place? Is this stapled on
somehow or is there a special glue or some other type
of special fastner to hold the foam in place?

Also, I have ordered my super polygraphite suspension
kit from PST with the 1 1/8 inch front sway bar. I
know that since I will have the whole suspension torn
apart, I should just as well replace the front springs
also. But, money is starting to get tight again. How
risky would it be to leave the original front springs
in? Should I just go ahead and find the money for new
springs while I'm at it? The car sits very nice as is
right now. I know that this might turn out being a
"personal preference" question, but I want some
opinions.

Thanks,
Del

===
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1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:36:29 -0400
From: Uncle Pete <pteubel@mediaone.net>
Subject: Re: ID the elusive 403 SMW?

At 08:14 AM 5/5/99 -0500, you wrote:

>So, I have a 77 Toro to look at, with complete 403 "K", and a disabled
>Misar, where do I look to know if it is a SMW motor?  What block codes and
>where do I find them?

I would think you would have to drop the oil pan and check.  Block codes
don't seem to be accurate when it comes to the SMW.

- - Uncle Pete
'51 98
'82 98
'86 Ciera

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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 06:45:23 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Shop Manual/Good wiring diagrams (Plenty of questions)

Previously I wrote:

>>Finally, on 72, what accessories work when the key is not turned
>>(or out). So far I have the cigarette lighter, dash maplight and I
>>*believe* the rearview map light and glove compartment light. However, I 
>>may be missing something.
>
>Windshield wipers.  :-)  (No, really...)
>
>-- Andy

D'OHHH! No, the wipers don't work without the key. I was thinking of what 
worked with the key in the ACCessory position. This is what I get for 
rushing through a posting before running for the train.

Accessories that work without the key include all circuits controlled by the 
headlight switch; four-way flashers; brake lights; clock; cigar lighter; 
interior lights; glovebox; console; horn; trunk light; underhood light 
(sometimes only with parking lights on, depending on year); power seat; 
power locks. There are probably more...

- -- Andy


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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 06:48:59 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Today's Inexplicable License Plate

So I'm on my way to the train station and come up to a stop sign behind 
Illinois license plate MINE 442... on a black Mustang GT convertible. I can 
think of two or three possibilities for this:

1) Clueless driver who bought his car at night from smooth-talking salesman
2) Wishful thinking to impress the ladies
3) His Olds got stolen and this is all the insurance company would pay for  
:-)

- -- Andy


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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 06:53:18 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 65-67 Olds Interior Lights

>Courtesy & Map Lights - "The courtesy lights and map light are
>controlled by the switch located aboth the glove compartment door."
>
>Confused?  Are the courtesy lights controlled by both switches?  And
>what, exactly, do they mean by courtesy lights?

Courtesy lights are the ones mounted under the edge of the dash which 
illuminate the floor. They were an extra option on many cars; the dome light 
is standard. It's pretty trivial to add them (and since the sockets and 
bulbs are hidden, you can pretty much use any old lights down there).

- -- Andy


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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 08:55:46 -0500 
From: Lance Kistner <lkistner@insul-8.com>
Subject: RE: headlight trim 

This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand
this format, some or all of this message may not be legible.

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I have the trim your looking for, contact me at lkistner@insul-8.com.
Thanks.  My name is Lance.

- -----Original Message-----
From: paul freeman [mailto:pfreeman@tmlp.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 8:56 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: headlight trim 


having trouble finding head light trim for my 80 cutlass supreme,
does anyone know were i can find some. it sucks having the only year
with double flat headlights.


paul freeman 
taunton,mass

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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I have the trim your looking for, contact me at 
lkistner@insul-8.com.&nbsp; Thanks.&nbsp; My name is Lance.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: paul freeman [<A HREF="mailto:pfreeman@tmlp.com
">mailto:pfreeman@tmlp.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 8:56 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: headlight trim </FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>having trouble finding head light trim for my 80 cutlass 
supreme,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>does anyone know were i can find some. it sucks having the 
only year</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>with double flat headlights.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>paul freeman </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>taunton,mass</FONT>
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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:56:17 -0400
From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Subject: Re: Today's Inexplicable License Plate

Andy G Sez:

> So I'm on my way to the train station and come up to a stop sign behind 
> Illinois license plate MINE 442... on a black Mustang GT convertible. I can 
> think of two or three possibilities for this:
> 
> 1) Clueless driver who bought his car at night from smooth-talking salesman
> 2) Wishful thinking to impress the ladies
> 3) His Olds got stolen and this is all the insurance company would pay for  

  4)  Maybe the owner is a realist:
      MINE 442 ==> Mustangs Insignificant Next (to) Every 442   :) :)



Tim Churchill  tchurchill@draper.com  OCA #30327  Framingham, MA
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'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, new a.k.a 'Old Gold'
'98 VW Passat GLS Wagon, a.k.a. 'der Kinderwagen'

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:00:39 -0400 (EDT)
From: dsenko@UU.NET (Drew Senko)
Subject: Re: Bolt circle measurements

> Can someone tell me the convention for measuring the bolt circle
> diameter for auto wheels.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Vince Knight
> '71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible


The Tire Rack has a nice webpage on "Wheel Tech" which describes this
among other things, and has drawings to help make the point.

Look at the page:

http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/tech/wheeltech.htm

Then click on the link for "Bolt Pattern".

The other links on that page are worth a quick reading also to anyone
interested in the various wheel parameters and features.

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:03:34 -0500
From: "Ian M. C. Dixon" <iand@sbrc.UManitoba.CA>
Subject: Re: ID the elusive 403 SMW?

From:           	Martin Thomas-WLTM07 <Thomas.Martin@motorola.com>
To:             	"'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'" 
<oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Copies to:      	"'Jason Adcock'" <rocketolds@vt.edu>
Subject:        	ID the elusive 403 SMW?
Date sent:      	Wed, 5 May 1999 08:14:09 -0500 
Send reply to:  	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca


Thomas,

Ah, the excitement of the hunt.  I thought I found one SMW 403 in 
the boneyard last year.  The car was a 1977 Vista Cruiser with the 
towing pack and brakes.  Feeling like the proverbial cat who just 
inhaled the mouse I paid 115 CDN for the engine, ripped it out, tore 
it down and............. plugged my fingers through them big windows 
in the bottom end. :(

I suspect that the idea of 2500 of these engines existed is a minor 
urban legend fuelled by heated speculations of what if. 

I did rebuild that 403 though, and its waiting for my Series III (1982) 
Toro (shift kit for the 325 4L is req'd plus other goodies).
 
> I suspect if ANY car DID have it, it would be a 77 Buick/Olds/Pont/Hearse
> wagon with the HD towing package and HD brakes, then secondly it would be
> the 403 "K" that had the Misar computer control system installed on Toro's
> in 1977, then some of the 77 T/A's with the 403. 

> Question:  Has Mondello ACTUALLY seen one? 

Unknown.  What is clear however is that they spend a lot of time 
designing and marketing the trick web girdles for these engines. ;^)
My $00.02.  

Best Regards,

Ian
Winnipeg, Canada

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 10:20:06 EDT
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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 09:29:14 -0500
From: "Ian M. C. Dixon" <iand@sbrc.UManitoba.CA>
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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:36:31 +0300
From: john schiffman <joschiff@flash.net>
Subject: Re: AV Gas

I get 100 oct no lead in a 5 gal (approved) container from my fixed base
operator all the time.  I then pour into the tank.  I then go to the
local gas station and add 5 gal of sup premium no lead from the pump
(50/50 ratio)  plus 1 1/2 oz lead additive and I therefore can keep
timing at recomended specs.  Av gas costs $2.02 per gal in Arlington
Texas.

'69 442 closed coupe

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Date: Wed, 5 May 1999 15:32:56 +0100
From: Claire MacDonald <ClaireM@unipec.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Restoration

I have a friend with a 1970 Oldsmobile convertible cut class 7.5l.  I
was wondering if you had any information on any one who specializes in
restoring these vehicles in the UK.  I would be grateful if you could
get back to me as soon as possible my e-mail address is
ClaireM@unipec.co.uk.

Thanking you in advance

Claire

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Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 09:36:58 -0500
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: Differential Math

well it is pretty straight forward so about a six pack and a mask to keep
the hypoid smell out just remove the cover all 12 or 10 bolts leaving a top
on in as a means of keeping it from falling in the drain pan which should be
under the diffy pumpkin then take a screw driver and use it as a prybar
to lever the bottom of the cover free allow the fluid to drain into the pan
then remove the final bolt
and cover spin the drive shaft around while viewing the edge of the ring
gear with a light look for a series of numbers xxxxxxxxxxx xx xx the two
numbers space two numbers is the tooth count divide the big by the little
and there ya go if you cannot read these numbers they are some times
repeated on the pinion gear which can also be seen at this time failing all
this count the ring teeth divide by the pinion count and voila your ratio be
sure to get the right gasket for your app and two qts of hypoid and if you
have a limited slip ie posi anti spin etc. get limited slip additive one
bottle will be sufficient and be prepared to smell the smell of gear lube
for a few days and wear clothes you never plan to wear again and rubber
gloves if you got em if you dont get some...KK
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From: markas <vfquick442@webtv.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: Differential Math


> I think I`m gonna pull the rear pan as suggested I can`t be sure the
> rear was not changed.I think the car was raced at some time prior to my
> purchase in 93.I finished it in 95 and have put very few miles on it.The
> motor was done professionally and came in at  425 + HP.I know one thing,
> this car is scary when stomped on.I can break tires loose at 15 MPH.When
> using dual gate at 5000 RPM,Car is going   80+ Mph at shift point.My
> Question is,after dropping pan,what am I looking for?Any tricks to
> putting it back together? Is this covered in service manual? Can a
> cabinet maker handle this? I`m good at detail stuff,But new carb and
> fuel line was a 16 beer project.How many beers is this going to take?
> TIA all replies appreciated,Anyone???... Karl????
> Thanx,
> Markas            P.S.  Numbers quoted are approx.
>            But pretty close.
> .
>
>

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