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oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, April 25 1999       Volume 01 : Number 1923



Timing/advance?
re: bad vibrations
Mallory Unilite Distributor
Re: 1969 442
Re: Mallory Unilite Distributor
W-31 Pace Car?
Re: 1969 442 
Re: 1969 442 
Re: 1969 442 
Re: Cutlass vs Supreme
rear end blues
soot?
Re: soot?
Re: Rainy Day Doggie
Re: Fan Clutch?
Re: rear end blues
Re: Paint Codes
Re: soot?
Mondello Cam Specks
FS:  '57-'67 Olds Parts
Re: 1970 W-31 Pace Car, whats it worth??
FS: 68-75+ Olds Parts
Update your Anti-virus
Um..someone was looking for a 75 cutlass model right?
Oil pressure sender and gage hook up

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 01:25:34 EDT
From: DYeager535@aol.com
Subject: Timing/advance?

	hey all..still dealing with the 403...think I've solved, or at least 
REALLY reduced my poor idle problem. I grabbed the distributor, and rotated 
it clockwise quite a bit (it WAS timed at 22 degrees at 1100RPM, Haynes 
manual specs) and it smoothed out considerably. 
	What I would like to know is, which direction "advances" the timing? 
I assumed that rotating the distributor in the direction of engine rotation 
(In Olds case counterclockwise, right??? Or is that just the distributor 
itself?) was advancing the timing. Was I wrong? I guess I should have payed 
more attention when I had the timing light on it initially, but since it is 
running quite smoother, and still has the same or slightly better running 
characteristics, that I'm ok as is, but may turn it clockwise a bit more to 
see if the idle improves the slight bit more I'd like. 
										
			Thanks, Dorian

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 01:31:43 -0400
From: "Kevin Grover" <atvman@rochester.rr.com>
Subject: re: bad vibrations

I have the same problem in my truck.  It started last week and finally ended
up in a horrible grinding/vibrating sound, much like a blown piston rod.  I
found out that out of the 6 bolts holding my turbo 350 to my 68 olds 350
rocket only the top two where there, and they were loose.  I'd check those
first before tearing the tranny down.  Mine have 3k miles on them.  I
torqued them down pretty good to start with.  I'll try lock tight this time.

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:43:37 -0500
From: "Peter Landowski" <PETTRIX@prodigy.net>
Subject: Mallory Unilite Distributor

I was wondering if anyone has a Mallory Unilite distributor? I have one on
my 455 and I believe the trigger light went bad. The reason being it ran
fine and then started it up today and it sounds funny. The car idles but
when you accelerate it runs rough. Timing is OK so I believe it is the
distributor.


Pettrix@prodigy.net

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:57:22 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: 1969 442

Give 'em $500.

At 10:13 PM 4/24/99 -0700, you wrote:
>Ok , I forgot one thing, please reference this back to my original posting,
>WOULD YOU PAY $850 FOR THIS 442.
>Regards,
>Bruce
> 
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 02:01:46 EDT
From: GT5726@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mallory Unilite Distributor

In a message dated 4/25/99 12:40:47 AM Central Daylight Time, 
PETTRIX@prodigy.net writes:

<< I was wondering if anyone has a Mallory Unilite distributor? I have one on
 my 455 and I believe the trigger light went bad. The reason being it ran
 fine and then started it up today and it sounds funny. The car idles but
 when you accelerate it runs rough. Timing is OK so I believe it is the
 distributor.
  >>
  I have had similar things happen with a Unilite...It was caused by 
condinsation on the light...try letting the engine heat warm it up. This may 
or may not help.

Collyn

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 00:28:03 -0600
From: "ed" <ed@techniflite.com>
Subject: W-31 Pace Car?

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It's an F-85 v8 Sport Coupe that is shiny and has some good parts.  =
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 02:57:25 EDT
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1969 442 

In a message dated 99-04-24 17:08:33 EDT, you write:

<< Would you pay $850 for this 4 4 2: 1969 442 Hardtop, it is stock, missing 
the olds rims and steering wheel, and a couple of pieces of brightwork 
(trim). Upholstery shot but seats are there and still in shape, center 
console(th400), dash, gauges, clock and am/fm radio are all there in good 
shape but very filthy. Carpet shot and wet, some rust in floorboards though 
not rusted thru yet. Door panels are ok, windows need to be rebuilt but they 
are there. Engine(big block) intact not running, the red air cleaner still on 
car, stock exhaust. Front and rear bumpers are there and in good shape,  
lights and lenses all there and in good shape, all 442 emblems present. Trunk 
in good shape (covered in oil, smells like used motor oil), no rust apparent. 
Body has rust in several places, quarter panels rusted thru at the rear part 
of the wheel well and along the line where the trim piece for the vinyl roof 
meets the paint (both sides), fenders also rusted thru at the rear part of 
wheel well, roof rusted thru at the top of the windshield under the vinyl 
(*almost the whole length). Is this car worth salvaging and at what price. >>

Yah.
Assumed from the original post that this was either in a yarde or headed for 
one.

$850 sounds fair, although that view is not shared by those of the Chuck 
Buehner school of Oldsmobile accumulation.

Any yarde engine/trans would go for $200-300, so $550 for the 4 4 2 doesn't 
sound so bad.
Add to that that it sounds like the car has not been picked over, so there 
may be many original goodies in it, like differential, carburetor, OW or 
similar transmission.
Overall, it sounds like youre getting all the stuff necessary for a "correct" 
resto (save some trim and wheels) for a price that ain't so bad.

Good luck, sounds like a challenge!

SOM

&KA

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 02:36:42 -0700
From: BC <beastmaster@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 1969 442 

More information on the 442, it is privately owned, 3rd owner car, it's in the
guys driveway sitting collecting dust. He says he was driving it up until 
couple
of months ago when he had engine problems, maybe timing chain jumped a tooth or
something with the valve train. He claims it is a numbers matching car, the 
body
is very straight, just some bad rust in the few places I stated, when I drove 
up
I thought wow, $850, I will buy it no questions asked but then you see the rust
when you get up to the car. I don't really like dealing with rust but it is a
good looking 442 and has the potential.
Thanks for the input so far,
Bruce

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 05:39:46 EDT
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1969 442 

In a message dated 99-04-25 05:37:13 EDT, you write:

<< I thought wow, $850, I will buy it no questions asked but then you see the 
rust
 when you get up to the car. I don't really like dealing with rust but it is a
 good looking 442 and has the potential. >>

Yah,
That's the thing.
A sweet $850 deal that takes $3000 or so of bodywork before paint....

How do you tell when a hobby becomes an obsession?

SOM

&KA

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 07:45:30 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Cutlass vs Supreme

On Sat, 24 Apr 1999, Jennifer Moore wrote:
> I recently bought my first Olds. about  eight months ago.  Its a '71
> Cutlass Supreme.  Can anyone tell me what the difference is between a
> Cutlass and a Cutlass Supreme is?

Congrats on your purchase! The '71 Supreme was more of a luxury model than
the regular Cutlass. If it's a 2-door, it has a unique roofline that is
more formal-looking than the Cutlass and 4-4-2 2-door bodies which were
more of a fastback style. Plus they had some unique bodyside moldings
(which are getting hard to find, hope yours are there) and if it had a
vinyl roof, it was a "halo" style that left the edges of the roof panel
painted body color. The upholstery and trim inside was scaled up a bit
also to appeal to the luxury crowd. Standard engine was a 350-4 barrel,
you could order the 2-barrel version if you were economy minded, or if you
wanted high performance you could order the SX version which came with a
455. It was a competitor at the time to the Monte Carlo, Grand Prix,
Charger SE and the like, the so called "personal luxury" cars that were
beginning to get popular. They are very nice cars, good luck with it. 

> Thanks : ) 

You're welcome. :) 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 07:30:52 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: rear end blues

I am on my 3rd set of gears in my olds in just 6 months , fell victim to
it again last night. Car has a 12 bolt chevy in it , what happens is
that it will start to howl after about 10 passes and then it just gets
so loud  that the track starts to complain. I have a mark williams
spool, axles and c -clip elim. . whan rear is set up contact patch is ok
pinion depth ok and backlash to gear specs.It acts like the pinion is
moving like a bad pinion bearing or crush coller.last gears I instaled
all new bearings on last gear install. also the back lash is up 30 thou
set it again , it is quiet for about 5 passes and the all hell again
sometimes running quick is not so much fun.  help...............  Butch
68  442  post

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 07:40:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: catwoman-black@webtv.net (Jennifer Moore)
Subject: soot?

my brother recently bought a 72 Cutlass Supreme about a month ago, he
has some nasty black soot (<sp?) coming out the tail pipe, any ideas
what the problem is???

thanks : )

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 08:26:10 -0400
From: "Patton" <patton@ComCAT.COM>
Subject: Re: soot?

Hmmmmmmm .......

        Sounds like carb problems - this might be
normal during warm-up, but that soot - carbon - 
could be a sign of a stuck choke flap - faulty
needle and seat - or improper jetting - 
all cause what is a "rich" condition ...........


Good Luck
The General

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:49:59 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Rainy Day Doggie

>On the rainy days is your engine stumbling? Could very well be ignition
>problems too. Bad wires that are arcing in the dampness.  Or even a bad
>distributor cap also causing a cross arc between wire terminals. Look for
>any carbon arcing tracks.  Gary....

Now that ya mention it....there is some stumble at idle. Guess it's tune-up
time.
Thanx.

drc

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 09:55:20 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Fan Clutch?

>
> Also when I had a 160* thermostat the engine would run at 160* but when I
> would accelerate it dropped to 140*.....
>


Seems funny that the temp meter would respond that quickly. There's a lot of
thermal mass in the coolant, it shouldn't change temperature real fast.
Mebby you have air pockets so the sensor is loosing contact with the
coolant?

drc

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:05:37 -0400
From: THOMAS JACQUILLARD <TJACQUILLARD@InfoAve.Net>
Subject: Re: rear end blues

B Vosburgh wrote:

> I am on my 3rd set of gears in my olds in just 6 months , fell victim to
> it again last night. Car has a 12 bolt chevy in it , what happens is
> that it will start to howl after about 10 passes and then it just gets
> so loud  that the track starts to complain. I have a mark williams
> spool, axles and c -clip elim. . whan rear is set up contact patch is ok
> pinion depth ok and backlash to gear specs.It acts like the pinion is
> moving like a bad pinion bearing or crush coller.last gears I instaled
> all new bearings on last gear install. also the back lash is up 30 thou
> set it again , it is quiet for about 5 passes and the all hell again
> sometimes running quick is not so much fun.  help...............  Butch
> 68  442  post

  What about the driveshaft and yoke angle. When my dad was racing(many
years ago) he had similar problems with a Chevelle he was running. It was
driving him crazy. He kept putting in new components and re-setting
everything to specs. He took it to a shop to have it tested in the car. They
found that the rear end was at too much of an angle(that was when everyone
was jacking up the rear end of cars) and it was putting excess pressure on
the pinion, causing it to bind. I don't know if this helps, but it something
to check.
T.J.

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:07:09 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Paint Codes

The body shops have books that have those cross references. Dunno how you
could get hold of one.
There is a web site where people can post messages about paint questions. I
believe the host is a BASF / Glasurit sales person.

Ask your question here:
http://horizonweb.com/wwwboard/spray_101/wwwboard.html

drc

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 11:38:50 EDT
From: RCKTPWR@aol.com
Subject: Re: soot?

Sounds like it running rich. As you will soon see, this list is the best for 
any Olds problem you may have.

Bernie
86 442
 67442 conv
67 F-85

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 10:22:22 -0600
From: "Igor Todorovic" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Mondello Cam Specks

Okay for those of you who know, what are Mondellos cams and their specs or
where can I view this on the internet.  I am looking for a mild cam, but
would like to know what he has to offer so that I can try different specs on
the DDDyno.  Thanks.

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 12:49:30 -0400
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: FS:  '57-'67 Olds Parts

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                             OLDSMOBILE Restoration Parts

New arrival "Parts"
53 (NOS) 88/98 Hood Emblem (in box)  $100.00
53 (NOS Take off) Tail Light Assm.  $30.00 
57 (NOS) 88/98 Taillight Lens (1 only)  $20.00
57 (Repro) 88/98 Taillight Lens (2)  $20.00 pr
57-58 371 J-2 Intake (looks NOS)  $175.00
58 (NOS) Dog Dish Hubcaps  (5)  $250.00 set
59-62 Temp Sending Unit (NOS) $18.00
60 (NOS) RH Tail Light Assm (complete)  $85.00
64 (NOS) 442/Cutlass LH Front Turn Lens $40.00
65 (NOS) F-85 Deluxe Dash Emblem  $38.00
65 (NOS) LH Front Turn Signal Assm $65.00
65 (NOS) 442/Cutlass LH Fender, & very nice RH Fender $650.00 pr
65-70 88/98 Idler Arm (NOS) $35.00
66 Tri-Carb carb tags (3, correct repros) $25.00 set
66 442 RH Tail Light Bezel (nice, used)  $100.00
66 Rally Pac (in dash like 67 with correct unique dash & engine harn & gauge
lens) $600.00
64-66 Inside Rearview Mirror (Mint)  $35.00
64-66 Floor Shift Column (black, mint) $150.00
64-66 F-85 Steering Wheel (Gold, very nice)  $75.00
66 442 Grille w/bars & rocket (nice)  $250.00
66-67 442 Auto Trans Air Cleaner (show piece, MINT)  $250.00
66 (NOS) LH/RH Cutlass Tail Light Lens  $45.00 ea, $90.00 pr
66-67 Water Pump #388183, A-body w - A/C (NOS) $55.00
67 442 Dash Emblem (mint)  $55.00
67 442/Cutlass Front license plate bracket (mint) $35.00
67 442/Cutlass AM/FM Radio (mint)  $275.00
67 (NOS) LH/RH Delmont/Delta 88 Tail Light Lens  $45.00 ea, $90.00 pr 
67 (NOS) RH Delta 88 Upper Tail Light Lens  $55.00 ea
66 F-85 Post Coupe Door Panels (nice, tannish gold)  Inquire
64-69 Vacuum Gauge (console mount, mint)  $90.00
64-66 Console Tach (nice)  $75.00
67 442 W-30 "C" Heads (VG code, drilled and plugged)  $375.00 pr
66-67 Cutlass/F-85 4 door Sedan Front Doors (mint)  $100.00 pr
66-67 Cowl Panels (mint)  $35.00 ea
66 442 4 spd Chassis (very good cond)  $250.00
64-72 Boxed Lower Control Arms (originals)  $100.00 pr
     
New Repro Parts:
66 442 L-69 Tri-Carb Air Cleaners (Small ones, repro, w/filters)  $119.00 set
64-67 Battery Tray (Repro)  $30.00
66 442 Tri-Carb Linkage Kit (complete) $78.00
67 442 Grille Bar (repro)  $92.00
66-67 442/Cutlass Drip Rail Moldings (NEW, repro) $65.00 set
67-70 Turn Signal Levers (repro)  $27.00 ea
67-70 Tilt Levers (repro)  $27.00 ea 

New Old Stock (NOS) Parts 1964-1972 Olds/Cutlass/442
64-72 Clutch Inspection covers (NOS)  $22.00 ea
67-75 TH400 Shifter Cable Bracket (NOS)  $24.00
68-75+ TH350 Shifter Cable Bracket (NOS)  $24.00
68-72+ TH Torque Converter Cover (Plastic, NOS)  $36.00 ea
66-72 SSI Center Caps (NOS) $36.50 ea

Used Parts:
64 Cutlass/442                       
64-65 Radiator Top Plate  $35.00
64-66 Auto Console (black, w/wiring, nice)  $125.00
64 F-85/Cutlass Grille (good cond) $45.00
64-65 330/400 Valve Covers (nice)  $25.00 pr
64-65 Cutlass/442 Conv Rear Side Glass (mint)  $80.00 pr
64-66 Auto Floor Console (Red, missing front trim, nice top plate)  $50.00
64-66 Auto Floor Shifter (T handle type, complete minus T )  $30.00
RH Headlight Bezel  $15.00                                                  
Front Bumper Core  $50.00                                                   
F-85 Fender Emblem (nice)  $5.00 

65 Cutlass/442
64-65 Radiator Top Plate  $35.00
65 442 Air Cleaner (nice, complete) $125.00
65 Full Size Air Cleaner Top (Super Rocket)  $30.00
64-66 Auto Console (black, w/wiring, nice)  $125.00
65 400 442 4-Jet Carb (rebuilt)  $125.00
65 442 Grille (nice used)  $125.00
65 Cutlass Grille (good used)  $65.00
64-65 330/400 Valve Covers (nice)  $35.00 pr
64-65 Cutlass/442 Conv Rear Side Glass (mint)  $80.00 pr
64-66 Auto Floor Console (Red, missing front trim, nice top plate)  $50.00
65 Cutlass 4 Door Rear Wheelwell Die cast pieces (front)  $20.00 pr
64-66 Auto Floor Shifter (T handle type, complete minus T )  $30.00
65 Cutlass/442 Wheelwell Moldings  LH/RH rear $15.00 ea

66 Cutlass/442
64-66 Auto Console (black, w/wiring, nice)  $125.00
66 Rear Bumper Core  $55.00
66 442 W-30 Inner/Outer Bumper Ducts (new doesn't include hoses)  $550.00 set
66 442 W-30 Inner Ducts  $375.00 pr  
66 442 LH Tail Light assm (fair to good) $100.00 
66 442 RH Tail Light Assm (fair to good) $100.00
66 Cutlass Post Coupe Rear Side Panels (black, rare w/woodgrain, nice)  $50.00
pr
66-67 Post Coupe Doors (mint)  $140.00 pr, $75.00 ea
66 442/Cutlass Radiator Support (nice, blasted no rust)  $125.00
66-67 SSI Wheels (good not perfect, 5)  $125.00 set
66-67 442 Air Cleaner (2)  $90.00 ea
64-66 Auto Floor Console (Red, missing front trim, nice top plate)  $50.00
66 F-85 Trunk Lid Emblem $10.00
66 F-85 Trunk Lid Molding  $20.00
64-66 Auto Floor Shifter (T handle type, complete minus T )  $30.00
66 Cutlass Trunk Molding (very good)  $45.00
66 Cutlass Tail Light Bezels (decent)  $45.00 pr
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (nice)   $55.00
66 F-85/Cutlass grille (good)  $35.00 
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
66 Cutlass/442 Headlight Bezels  $50.00 pr
Post Coupe Exterior A-Pillar Chrome Moldings  $15.00
pr                                  

67 Cutlass/442
67 Hardtop door panels $50.00 pr
67 Front Bumper Filler Panel (mint)  $40.00
67 Cutlass Hood (nice)  $75.00
67 442/Cutlass Supreme Rear Qtr Moldings (no pits, decent chrome) $90.00 pr
67 442/Cutlass Supreme Rear Bumper (nice)  $115.00
67 442/Cutlass Radiator Support (nice)  $130.00
66-67 442 Air Cleaner (2)  $85.00 ea
67 Deluxe Full Wheel Covers $35.00 set
67 Cutlass Dash Emblem (good)  $10.00
67 Cutlass Supreme Dash Emblems (2 very nice)  $20.00 ea
67 Cutlass 4 door, Door Panels (blue, mint)  $65.00 for all 4
67 442/Cutlass Trunk Panel (good chrome, NO pits)  $65.00
67 F-85 Steering Wheel Center (good chrome) $15.00
67 Cutlass Supreme/442 Steering Wheel Centers (mint)  $35.00 
67 Fender End Caps  $30.00 pr
67 Cutlass Fender Emblems (nice)  $10.00 ea
67 Plain Cutlass Fender Rockets (nice)  $5.50 ea
66/67 Repro Radio Delete Plates (perfect repro)  $40.00
66/67 Repro Heater Delete Plates  (perfect repro)  $40.00  ($78.00 set)
67 Cutlass Headlight Bezels (nice)  $50.00 pr
67 442 Trunk Lids (clean)  $90.00 ea
67 RH Fender (small metal patch panel, straight)  $100.00

Big Car Parts:
66 Toro Batman Steering Wheel, Tilt/Tele column (black, very nice)  $145.00

New reproduction parts:
Correct Gas Tanks 64-72 20 gallon with filler neck and lock ring/gasket  *Reg.
Price $199.00
(* Price until 1 June $189.00)

Convertible Top Boots (Correct Grains for each different year)  $104.00 ea
64  Black, Red, Lt. Blue, Fawn, Saddle, Turquoise, White
65  Same as 64  
66-67 Black, Red, Light Blue, Med. Blue, Bronze, Turquoise, White, Gold
68-72 Black, Red, Parchment, Lt. Blue, Teal Blue, Green Gold, Gold, Pearl,
Dk Blue, Dk. Green, Lt. Green, Lt. Saddle, Dk Saddle, Olive Green, Royal
Blue, White, Sandalwood, 

Molded Carpet Sets  $109.00 ea
64-67 - (Black, Red, Med. Blue, Turquoise, Gold, Dk. Blue, Maroon)
68-72 - (Black, Red, Maroon, Turquoise, Gold, Dk. Blue, Med. Blue, Dk. Green,
Green Gold, Lt. Green, Teal Blue, Saddle, Sandalwood)
73-77 - (Same as 68-72 except Green Gold)

Door Panels  64-72  $275.00 for a set of all 4

Seat Covers  64-72  $355.00 front and rear sets any year or color.

Lifetime Guarantee on all correct bead window felts  $92.00 set (inner & outer)
66-67 2 Dr Hardtop/Conv Window Felts (correct bead type) 
68-72 2 Dr Hardtop/Conv Window Felts (not Supreme Coupes, correct bead) 
68-72 2 Dr Hardtop/Conv (Outers only, correct bead)  $50.00

Glove Box Liners
64-67 Glovebox Liner w/clips  $18.99
68-69 Glovebox Liner w/clips  $18.99
70-72 Glovebox Liner w/clips  $18.99

Qrt Seals
70-72 Cutlass Supreme & Conv Qtr End seals  $13.00 pr

Hood Insulation
64-65 Cutlass/442 Hood Liner  (w/clips)  $24.00
66 Cutlass/442 Hood Liner  (w/clips)  $24.00
67 Cutlass/442 Hood Liner  (w/clips)  $24.00
68-70 Cutlass/442 Hood Liner (w/clips)  $24.00
70-72 Cutlass Supreme Hood Liner (w/clips)  $24.00
73-77 Cutlass $30.00

Liner Clips
Round Clips  $1.00 ea
Square Clips  $1.00 ea

A-Arm Shields
68-72 Upper A-Arm dust shields  $14.99 pr

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:10:22 -0400
From: "Kelly McCuller" <kmcculler@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 1970 W-31 Pace Car, whats it worth??

The 70 Indy 500 was paced by an 70 Olds 442. I have pictures!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mike Sealey <ninetyeight@angelfire.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Saturday, April 24, 1999 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: 1970 W-31 Pace Car, whats it worth??


>
>--
>
>On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 20:26:15   J&T wrote:
>>According to the description, it says this is a matching numbers car with
the
>>ram air. I didn't see the OAI air cleaner and it has a 400ci motor. Last
year I
>>believe for that was 69. Chevy Rims:(-
>>
>
>
>What race does it claim to be a pace car or pace car
>replica from?  I thought the '70 Indy 500 was paced by
>a D*dg* Ch*ll*ng*r, and AFAIK no replicas of anyone
>else's pace car...
>
>Mike Sealey
>'69 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan
>(Another C-body Fan)
>
>
>Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com
>

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:23:32 -0400
From: J Chermack/C&M Classic Parts <chermac@exis.net>
Subject: FS: 68-75+ Olds Parts

                                                      C&M Classic Parts
                                1132 Chatmoss Drive, Virginia Beach, VA 23464
                                          (757)474-0869, FAX (757)474-0694
                                         
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                                                          OCA# 24275

             Hours:  Mon-Fri  6:00 PM - 10:00 PM,  Sat 9:00 AM - 3:00 PM, 
Sunday
                          Closed
            *We accept all major Credit Cards. VISA, M/C, Amer. Express, and
              Discover.*

New arrival "Parts"
SSI and SSII/III Center Rocket Stickers (correct raised repro) $5.00 ea
68 (NOS) Cutlass Supreme RH Tail Light Assm $75.00
68 442 Air Cleaner Assm  $150.00
68 Hood Hinges (nice) $60.00 pr
68 OAI Dual Snorkel Breather Assm (nice orig) $550.00
68-72 400/455 Notched Valve Covers (very nice)  $100.00 pr
69 Wiper Switches (NOS) $60.00 ea
68-69 Rallye Pac (Very nice)  $425.00 
69 SSII Wheels 14x6 (5 w/trim rings and NOS caps, very nice) $340.00 set
70-74 SSII/III Wheels 14x7 (5 w/trim rings and NOS caps, very nice) $340.00 set
69 442/Cutlass RH Tail Lens (mint) $35.00 ea 
70 OAI Hood (nice)  $800.00 
70 OAI Hood (good) $400.00
70 442 Rear Bumper Cores $100.00 ea
70 442 Grilles (new)  $250.00 pr
70-72 (NOS) W-30 Emblems $75.00 pr
70-72 (NOS) Choke Heat Tubes $11.00 ea
70-72 (NOS) Intake Choke Tube (455/350) $32.00
70-72 Conv Trunk Lids (Mint, used) $275.00 ea
70-72 (NOS) Hardtop Trunk Lid $650.00
70-72 (NOS) Backup Lens $18.00 ea
70-72 (NOS) Fenders LH/RH $1300.00 pr
71-72 (NOS) RH Sport Mirror $75.00
68-70 (NOS) 442 RH Exhaust Tail Pipe (w/trumpet) $100.00
70 W-31 350 Intake (very nice) $450.00
70-72 Dual Gate Shifter & Console (complete, w/NOS cable) $425.00
70-72 Dual Gate Top Plate $100.00
71-72 (NOS) RH Turn Lens $45.00
70-72 442/Cutlass "S" Trunk Lid (NOS) $650.00
70-72 Dash Pads (various colors, mint)  $115.00 ea
72 Deluxe Steering Wheel (very nice Green, no cracks) $150
68-72 Conv Top Mechanism (nice used) $200.00
68-72 Front Windshield Molding (set, mint) $45.00
68-72 Conv. Windshield Chrome Molding Set (mint) $120.00
64-72 Boxed Lower Control Arms (orig.)  $110.00 pr
68-72 "S" Hardtop Rear Window Molding (set, mint)  $45.00
68-75+ Auto Trans Flex Plates  $35.00 ea
73 H/O and 74-75 Cutlass Front Rocket w/ red insert (NOS) $40
73 (NOS) Vista Cruiser Tail Light Lens (inner pair)  $25.00 pr
74 (NOS) Delta 88 & Royale Gas Filler Lid Molding  $45.00
  
New Repro Parts:
Metro Moulded Door Seals $60.00 pr
Metro Moulded Roof Rail Seals $60.00 pr
Metro Moulded Trunk Seal $16.00 ea
68-72 Gas Tanks (Nice Repro)  $199.00
70-72 Dash Chrome Bead (new)  $54.00 ea
67-70 Turn Signal Levers (repro)  $27.00 ea
67-70 Tilt Levers (repro)  $27.00 ea 
67-75 TH400 Shifter Cable Bracket (Repro)  $28.00
68-72 License Plate Bracket (Repro)  $26.50
68-70 W-31 Cam Kits (w/lifters & lube)  $132.00
68-72 1/4 Glass Chrome Moldings (Repro)  $92.00 pr
69-72 Rear Spoiler (3 piece repro)  $255.00
70-72 Hood Pin Kits (NEW, original supplier, complete setup) $115.00
71 or 72 442 Grille Numeral Sets (repro, either year)  $34.00 set
71-72 442 Hood Emblem (repro, Non OAI) $20.00
  
New Old Stock (N.O.S.) Parts 1964-1972 Olds/Cutlass/442
68 (N.O.S.) Cutlass/442 Turn Signal Lens (front, 2 prs)  $25.00 pr
68-72+ TH Torque Converter Cover (Plastic, N.O.S.)  $36.00 ea
66-72 SSI Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
68-75 SSII/III Center Caps (N.O.S.) $36.50 ea
69-72 442 Trunk Numeral Sets (N.O.S.) $60.00 set
69-70 442 Hood Numeral Sets  (N.O.S.) $60.00 set
69-72 442 Fender Numeral Sets (N.O.S.) $45.00 set
70-72 Hurst Dual Gate Shifter Cable (N.O.S.)  $55.00
70-72 OAI Air Cleaner Springs (N.O.S)  $5.00 ea
71-72 Front Stone Shield Plastics (N.O.S)  $35.00 ea                        
 
USED PARTS:
68 Cutlass/442
68 Hood Hinges  $60.00 pr
68-69 Hurst Olds Dual Bail Master Cylinders $38.00 (+$18.00 core) 
68-69 LH Post Coupe Door (very nice)  $75.00
68 8 Track Player (needs work, nice unit, housing broken)  $35.00
68 Front Bumper (nice w 2 small dings)  $125.00
68 Trunk Vinyl Top Molding & Plate  $25.00
68-69 Cutlass "S"/442 Wheel Well Moldings (nice, 3)  $90.00 (3)
68 Cutlass Rear Bumper (core)  $75.00
68-72 Cutlass S LH Rear Side Glass (clear)  $35.00              
Rear Window Molding Sets  $45.00 set                               
68 Cutlass/442 Std Horn Button (black, nice)  $7.00                     
68-72 Rear Hood Molding  $25.00 ea
68-72 Cowl mouldings  $25.00 ea                                
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Sets (black, mint) $27.50 pr 

69 Cutlass/442
68-69 LH Post Coupe Door (very nice)  $75.00
68-69 Hurst Olds Dual Bail Master Cylinders $38.00 (+$18.00 core) 
68-69 Front Side Marker Lights  $17.00 pr
68-69 Glove Box Door  $15.00
69 Cutlass/442 Conv trunk lid (mint)  $150.00
69 Hood Tongue $20.00
69 Front Grille Center Filler (between grilles)  $8.00
69 Full Hubcaps (nice)  $35.00 set
68-69 Cutlass "S"/442 Wheel Well Moldings (nice, 3)  $90.00 (3)
69-72 Hood Hinges  $40.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Chrome  $25.00 pr
69-70 "S" Hood Louver Moldings  $25.00 pr
68-72 Windshield Molding Sets  $45.00 set                                 
69 LH Top Fender Moldings (excellent) $35.00
69 Front and Rear 4 Doors  (small dings, no rust) $35.00 ea
69 4 Door Panels (Gold, cloth, nice)  $25.00 ea
69 Cutlass/442 Wiper Switch $25.00

70 Cutlass/442
70 Cutlass Hood Tongue (mint) $50.00
70 442 Hood Tongue (mint) $55.00
70 Fender Eyebrows (nice, no pits)  $45.00 pr
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $40.00 pr
70 Headlight Bezels (restored) $50.00 pr
70-71 Halo Vinyl Top Molding sets no "L " moldings (mint) $55.00 set
70-72 Vista Cruiser Tailgate Switch Bezels  $5.00 ea             
70 Oldsmobile Options Folder  $5.00                                    
69-70 C/S Front Hood Rocket (nice)  $12.00                                
70 "S" Pillared Coupe Door Panels (good cond)  $40.00 pr         
70-72 Glove Box Doors  $15.00 ea
70 Cutlass 'S' Tail Light Lens (restored)  $15.00 ea
70 Cutlass Supreme Tail Light Lens (restored) $23.00 ea

71 Cutlass/442
70-71 Cutlass Supreme Side Marker Lights $60.00 set
71 Cutlass "S" Grilles (very nice used)  $125.00 pr
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $45.00
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $30.00 pr
71 Cutlass Full Wheel Covers  $30.00 set
71 Headlight Bezels (restored) $50.00 pr

72 Cutlass/442
72 Cutlass Supreme LH Grille (N.O.S.)  $52.00
71-72 Cutlass Rear Bumper Core  $45.00
70-72 C/S Quarter End Caps (nice) $30.00 pr
71-72 Power Lock Switches  $10.00 ea
72 Cutlass/442 Owners Manual  $7.00                                  
72 Headlight Bezels (restored) $40.00 pr            
72 Tail Light Lens  $13.00 ea used, $26.00 ea (N.O.S.)

81-88 Cutlass / 442 / Hurst/Olds 
USED
81-88 Used Cutlass/442/Hurst Full Quarter Panels (mint, w/ inner & outer wheel
house)  $300.00 pr
81-88 Used Cutlass/442 Fenders (mint)  $75.00 ea
81-88? Used Front Bumpers (chrome, very nice)  $90.00
81-88? Used Rear Bumpers (chrome, very nice)  $95.00
81-86 Used Front Header Panel (very good)  $85.00
81-86 Used Front Bumper Rubber (nice)  $60.00
81-88 Used Rear Bumper Rubber (nice)  $60.00
81-88 Used Trunk Lid (mint)  $75.00
81-88 Used Interior Rear Side window panels (mint, burgundy)  $75.00 pr
81-84 Tail Light Assm (used, mint pair)  $150.00
83/84 H/O, 85-87 442 Air Cleaner Assm (nice used)  $200.00

(NOS)
Rear Hood Molding and (2) Top Fender Moldings  $70.00 set
Center Hood Molding  $35.00
Pwr Antenna $175.00
Front Bumper Chrome Stripes (2) $85.00 ea
85-88 LH&RH Taillight Assm  $105.00 ea
85-88 LH&RH Taillight Bezels  $85.00 ea
Rear Bumper Chrome Strips and clip ends  $300.00
Rear Bumper Emblem "Oldsmobile"  $30.00
Front Bumper Emblem "Oldsmobile"  $30.00
Dash Emblem "Oldsmobile"  $15.00
Rear Window molding set (4 pieces)  $230.00
Dash Gauge Plastic Lens  $40.00
Front Windshield Molding Set (3 pieces) $210.00
Front Windshield Large Lower Molding  $68.00
(4) Front and Rear Side Marker Lens  $100.00 set
(2) Dash Vents (Center)  $20.00 ea
(2) Dash Vents (Long Pass. Side)  $23.00 ea
Rear View Mirror  $55.00
LH&RH Rear Side Windows (w/chrome Bead)  $175.00 ea
LH&RH Door Seals  $150.00 ea
Radiator Insulators (Upper and Lower)  $8.00 ea
LH&RH Door Sill Plates  $65.00 ea
85-88 Pwr Window Switch (2 button Drivers side)  $45.00
Air Cleaner Air Inlet Duct  $20.00
LH&RH Door Handles  $55.00 ea
LH&RH Turn Signal Lens Assm  $30.00 ea
LH&RH Side Window Molding sets  $inquire
LH&RH Grilles $80.00 ea
LH&RH Headlight Bezels  $40.00 ea 
  
New reproduction parts:
Convertible Top Boots (Correct Grains for each different year)  $104.00ea
64  Black, Red, Lt. Blue, Fawn, Saddle, Turquoise, White
65  Same as 64  
66-67 Black, Red, Light Blue, Med. Blue, Bronze, Turquoise, White, Gold
68-72 Black, Red, Parchment, Lt. Blue, Teal Blue, Green Gold, Gold, Pearl,
Dk Blue, Dk. Green, Lt. Green, Lt. Saddle, Dk Saddle, Olive Green, Royal
Blue, White, Sandalwood, 

Molded Carpet Sets  $109.00 
64-67 - (Black, Red, Med. Blue, Turquoise, Gold, Dk. Blue, Maroon)
68-72 - (Black, Red, Maroon, Turquoise, Gold, Dk. Blue, Med. Blue, Dk.
Green,
Green Gold, Lt. Green, Teal Blue, Saddle, Sandalwood)
73-77 - (Same as 68-72 except Green Gold)

Door Panels  64-72  $275.00 for a set of all 4

Seat Covers  64-72  $355.00 front and rear sets any year or color.

Lifetime Guarantee on all correct bead window felts  $92.00 set (inner &
outer)
68-72 2 Dr Hardtop/Conv Window Felts (not Supreme Coupes, correct bead) 
68-72 2 Dr Hardtop/Conv (Outers only, correct bead)  $50.00

Glove Box Liners
68-69 Glove box Liner w/clips  $18.99
70-72 Glove box Liner w/clips  $18.99

Qrt Seals
70-72 Cutlass Supreme & Conv Qtr End seals  $13.00 pr

Hood Insulation
68-70 Cutlass/442 Hood Liner (w clips)  $24.00
70-72 Cutlass Supreme Hood Liner (w/clips)  $24.00
73-77 Cutlass $30.00

Liner Clips
Round Clips  $1.00 ea
Square Clips  $1.00 ea

A-Arm Shields
68-72 Upper A-Arm dust shields  $17.99 pr

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 13:44:46 -0400
From: retrorockets <retrorockets@snet.net>
Subject: Update your Anti-virus

Don't forget to upgrade your anti-virus programs for "Chernobyl" which
is supposed to hatch tomorrow.

Dude

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:08:13 -0400
From: "Gib Loudon" <cutlass@mill.tds.net>
Subject: Um..someone was looking for a 75 cutlass model right?

A while back, I thought someone was looking for a model of a 75 cutlass.
I'm not quite sure.  It may have been Hot Rod Harry.......but anyway, if
anyone is interested, email me personally, and I'll give you the details.
Let me know.

Gib "The Rocketman" Loudon
Cutlass Net
http://www.cutlass.net
cutlass@mill.tds.net

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Date: Sun, 25 Apr 1999 14:17:27 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <FSNissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Oil pressure sender and gage hook up

If you are running a mechanical gage, get a 1.5 to 2.5 inch piece of brass
pipe screw it into the port in the block.  Get a T fitting and attach it so
that the one port  is facing straight up and the other is 90 degrees to the
side.  (I generally angle it to the rear and slightly toward the driver's
side of the car.) Screw the stock oil pressure sender into the top and run
the copper line for the mechanical gage off the side.  You may have to
experiment with different lengths of tubing for clearance with the cruise
control hardware (if equipped), but overall this is a fairly neat
installation.

Regards,
Fred

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-digest <oldsmobile-digest-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: oldsmobile-digest@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile-digest@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, April 25, 1999 1:20 AM
Subject: oldsmobile-digest V1 #1922


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