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Re: BMW Isetta performance parts (works on Q4, too...)
Check this out
Re: Check this out
Re: New Addition
Re: Check this out
Re: flywheel 4-speed
Re: flywheel 4-speed
Hust Olds Question
Re: Mid-West listmembers in Tornado Zone/prayers needed!
Re: toro suspension travel
Re: Hust Olds Question
Re: drag race
the joy of infomercials.. (was PTFE/Fram)
the joy of infomercials.. (was PTFE/Fram)
Re: Another Olds in the Family
Shop Manual/Good wiring diagrams  (Plenty of questions)
Re: the joy of infomercials.. (was PTFE/Fram)
Re: Fram, the Devil Filter? was: PH-11 or PH-25 in ANY Olds?
RE: Mid-West listmembers in Tornado Zone/prayers needed!
RE: Shop Manual/Good wiring diagrams  (Plenty of questions)
Dash piece? 67 Cutlass
Re: Hust Olds Question
Re: Towing vehicle
65-67 Olds Interior Lights
Re: flywheel 4-speed
Re: 65-67 Olds Interior Lights
Re: Shop Manual/Good wiring diagrams (Plenty of questions)
webpage updated
headlight trim 
Timing Advance on a 455 PLEASE HELP
Need space, More Parts f/s, MSD, OAI Hood etc.....
body and frame shop correction
Re: New Addition
Re: Timing Advance on a 455 PLEASE HELP
Re: headlight trim
Re: headlight trim
Re: Another Olds in the Family
Bolt circle measurements
Re: Hust Olds Question
Re: New Addition
Re: Differential Math
Re: REQ: 1953 Olds Info
Fw: 73 cutless supreme
Re: Parking lights, long 

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 13:15:40 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: BMW Isetta performance parts (works on Q4, too...)

Kerry Kroger wrote:
> 
> WTFO   that is hilarious but how did you find oh master of the big
> block?????

Uh, Kerry that was a rubber band for a big block.  Didn't you notice the
width and thickness of the propellant?  :)  
Actually I would think about 4 or 6 (gotta keep the "cylinders" balanced
in a V) of these would work better than...........oh at least four or
five squirrels.  :)

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 13:20:18 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Check this out

Now I don't mean to start a bidding war amongst list members, but I recall
alittle interest toward this vehicle was expressed, last week I think. Who
wants it?

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=97036308

Omega Man

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:34:05 -0400
From: "Ed Binnix" <comid@jellico.com>
Subject: Re: Check this out

Nice car, nice price (ack!). The seller only has one feedback comment and
it's negative. So all of you who are checking under the cushions of your
couch for spare change with which to buy this um. . . thing, beware.

I tried to trade the Vega for it but he hasn't responded to my e-mails. How
rude.

- -----Original Message-----

>
>Now I don't mean to start a bidding war amongst list members, but I recall
>alittle interest toward this vehicle was expressed, last week I think. Who
>wants it?
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=97036308
>
>Omega Man
>
>

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 13:52:53 -0400
From: retrorockets <retrorockets@snet.net>
Subject: Re: New Addition

Congratulations!!  And thanks for sharing the good news with us.  Your
message brought a big smile to my otherwise grumpy face.

Another list member told of the third word spoken by his child after "Mom"
and "Dad" as being "Cutlass".

Here's a short list of other important words to teach your son when the time
comes (other list members please feel free to add):
Rocket 88     Toronado     442     Tri-power     W-30     W-31
4-speed     Posi
Turnpike Cruiser     Starfire     Aluminum 215     Jetfire     F-85
and my favorites,      Peace     Love

Dude

Brian Kerr wrote:

> Our new son (our first) will be coming home by Oldsmobile this morning.
> Jeffrey Aaron Kerr was born on Sunday May 2 @ 2:26 am. He and his mother
> Beverley are doing well. I figure I'll have a wrench in his hands inside
> of 6 months!
>
> Brian and Beverley Kerr
> Cambridge, Ontario
> 1969 Cutlass Conv
> 1986 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 11:44:38 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Check this out

Gene Gilpin wrote:
> 
> Now I don't mean to start a bidding war amongst list members, but I recall
> alittle interest toward this vehicle was expressed, last week I think. Who
> wants it?
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=97036308

And check out the -1 rating.  This doesn't sound like the kind of person I
would be content sending my 300G's to.  

Just a reference to the C*mero batcar discussion of last week, I saw a Foord
pick-up with large fiberglass bat wings molded onto the top of the box sides
yesterday.  And you thought the poor bat-car replica's were ugly?  This thing
reeked.

On the plus side I saw it on the way to the powdercoating place.  They have a
metallic bronze that looks like an OK match for '68-'69 engine bronze and will
do the intake and tappet covers for $40.  I figured it would look better if the
intake and the valve covers match even if they are slightly off colour from the
rest of the block.  I am going to try powdercoat on the intake despite warnings
from people who know better.  I'll let ya all know if it discolours and/or
peels.  You know I don't care because I'm still looking for a cheap Performer.

And a further digression, they are going to "dry coat" the inside of the rocker
covers.  This is supposed to make the oil flow off better and it was mentioned
that they do this to pistons to reduce power loss from rubbing on the cylinder
walls.  This dry coating supposedly acts as a lubricant.  We'll see.
- -- 

Cliff "Shoulda powdercoated the whole block" Simpson
mailto:csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:21:19 -0700
From: joe lewis <lewis@amada.net>
Subject: Re: flywheel 4-speed

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 14:14:53 -0700
From: joe lewis <lewis@amada.net>
Subject: Re: flywheel 4-speed

I have one, it has not been on my car in years its up in my garage buried
somewhere. Make an offer and i will go looking for it

stephen minore wrote:

> Hey guys,
>
> I am desperatly looking for a good used 4-speed flywheel for my 70
> cutlass W-31. I put an ad on here some time ago and got one respose, but
> that deal fell through my hands because I let a considerable time go
> by!!!!
> Now i am looking again.
>
> any help would be greatly appreciated,
>
> thanks!!!!!!
>
> Stephen Minore 70 W-31 FREAK!!!!!!!!

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:17:37 -0400
From: "Gib Loudon" <cutlass@mill.tds.net>
Subject: Hust Olds Question

Hello List,
I have a quick question.  It seems a while back someone mentioned a page
that listed a bunch of known VIN numbers that belonged to 1969 Hurst
Olds'.....I think it may have been Mike Rothe or Robert Schinkel....not
sure.....anyway, if the person who has that page, or anyone who knows the
URL could please email it to me I'd be very appreciative.....I have the
opportunity to buy a 69 Hurst Olds but I would like to make sure it is in
fact an H/O...so far everything checks out....Let me know.  Thanks in
Advance.

Gib "The Rocketman" Loudon
Cutlass Net
http://www.cutlass.net
cutlass@mill.tds.net

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:15:40 EDT
From: W30442CS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Mid-West listmembers in Tornado Zone/prayers needed!

well in okla. last i herd it was 40 dead, 541 wounded, and thousands 
homeless. im 55 miles NE of the hardess hit area (OKC). we spent the night 
watching the weather and praying for those less fortunate. this morning 
another round of storms hit us again and at 8:00 am i found myself and three 
daughters in the basement of our local high school as another line of 
tornados swept through. i consider my self SO lucky because i still have a 
home , and my family is safe. my fellow okies to the south lost everything!  
please keep these people and those still missing in your prayers.          
steven, w30442cs@aol.com

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 20:17:02 +0200
From: Trond-Jarle Pedersen <olds69@online.no>
Subject: Re: toro suspension travel

> Hey, I have this crazy idea to take a toro front end and slap it onto the
> back of a dune buggy...
> _____

Well i kind of like the idea of a455(or 500caddy) inn a WV buss, you
know the old ones with the spare on the front.


Trond-Jarle Pedersen

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:23:10 EDT
From: Mrmagic442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hust Olds Question

In a message dated 5/4/99 11:17:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
cutlass@mill.tds.net writes:

<< Hello List,
 I have a quick question.  It seems a while back someone mentioned a page
 that listed a bunch of known VIN numbers that belonged to 1969 Hurst
 Olds'.....I think it may have been Mike Rothe or Robert Schinkel....not
 sure.....anyway, if the person who has that page, or anyone who knows the
 URL could please email it to me I'd be very appreciative.....I have the
 opportunity to buy a 69 Hurst Olds but I would like to make sure it is in
 fact an H/O...so far everything checks out....Let me know.  Thanks in
 Advance.
 
 Gib "The Rocketman" Loudon
 Cutlass Net
 http://www.cutlass.net
 cutlass@mill.tds.net
  >>

      Intersting news. I have not heard of such a page. I have had my 60 H/O 
for almost 23 years now. How would I find such a page also? And does anyone 
really know how many  69's still exist?

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 13:42:52 -0500
From: Kerry Kroger <kerryk@cwix.com>
Subject: Re: drag race

oh I know that but he did say JET fuel not av gas or 80LL or any other
reference to aviation gasoline as for 80 LL being pumped directly into the
tank that is illegal now but it is still substantially cheaper than Cam2 or
VP or even Sunoco it does have lead in it and it has an aviation spec octane
as with most things on aircraft it is given a conservative rating someone
said that it was dangerous to use. it is no more so than pump gas asside
from the lead, you can buy it in a gas can just dont say that you are using
it in a car Say you want it for a rotax powered ultralight you just put
together in your garage with duct tape and kite string then again maybe you
dont want to mention the duct tape anywho most tracks have racing gas
available on premises either from pumps or from barrels the cost is stupid
4-5 bones a gallon but it has a 118 - 130 octane rating on table 3 if memory
serves...KK
- ----- Original Message -----
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 1999 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: drag race


> Kerry Kroger wrote:
>
> Snipping a bit here....
>
> > P.S. Jet fuel is K1 kerosene and your car wont like it much it
>
> > From: <QWKCUTLASS@aol.com>
>
> > > Snipping again...... Av gas could help you
> > out,
>
> I think he is referring to the higher octane av gas and not the jet
> fuel.  It is a common misconception that jet fuel is better (for lack of
> a better word) tha pump gas.  Yes it is kerosene, but there is an av gas
> that has a higher octane rating than normal pump gas.  I have a friend
> of mine that used to drive his "other brand hipo muscle car" to the
> local airport and fill up his tank.  Of course at 6-8 mpg, with the
> airport about 20 miles away he never got home with a full tank.   As I
> remember there used to be two octane ratings for av gas, but it's been
> so long ago that I would be afraid to state that is still the truth.
> And with airplane motors still running from 40-50+ years, I would think
> it is probably still available.  I used to work for a fixed base
> operator in the early 70s for a while, so I remember some of this but
> not all of the details.  Maybe some of the pilots/airplane maintenance
> people on the list can fill us in.  As I understand the filling up of an
> automobile with av gas is somewhat illegal as there are no federal
> highway usage taxes collected on it.  Gotta pay the feds and state, I
> guess.  But then the avoidance of paying taxes as much as LEGALLY
> POSSIBLE is why I am still in business.  (Thought I had better throw
> that in so no one things I advocate evasion, which is a whole different
> topic.)
>

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:40 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: the joy of infomercials.. (was PTFE/Fram)

>Karl not meant flame Fram.
>Just intended condemn usage of PFTE, ~solid~ material, as engine 
>lubricant. Oil is changed to remove solid matter from engine.
>Why should someone put solids in intentionally?
>
>Prolly just a marketing thing to get money from people who watch 
>infomercials and use the Prolong system in their cars.
>Prolong is not properly named.
>
>SOM
>
>&KA  <--- Installing a device on the TV to prevent watching of
>          infomercials. The TV sends a signal to a professional.
>           Who comes over to slap Karl around properly.
- ------------------------------

Karl, say it ain't so! Those infomercials tell the gospel truth, 
right? I was all ready to send off for that amazing car-wax that can 
restore faded junkyard paint to brand new and withstand laser-beams 
and flaming kerosine, and I was buying some of that black spray-paint 
to cover up my bald spot so perfectly that not even my wife would 
notice, and while I was at it I was going to get some of those magic 
pellets that you drop in your engine through the spark-plug hole, then 
the magic pellets magically fill in scratches in the cylinder bore and 
give you a bore,hone & ring job for only $19.99, how wonderful that 
clever people out there come up with these amazing products!

On a related note, I've been wondering: if I water my 350 daily with 
Miracle-Gro in the water, will it grow into a 455?

- -John Carri  (experiencing his own version of Karl's hallucinations)
'72 Supreme
'73 RoadRunner

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:40 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: the joy of infomercials.. (was PTFE/Fram)

>Karl not meant flame Fram.
>Just intended condemn usage of PFTE, ~solid~ material, as engine 
>lubricant. Oil is changed to remove solid matter from engine.
>Why should someone put solids in intentionally?
>
>Prolly just a marketing thing to get money from people who watch 
>infomercials and use the Prolong system in their cars.
>Prolong is not properly named.
>
>SOM
>
>&KA  <--- Installing a device on the TV to prevent watching of
>          infomercials. The TV sends a signal to a professional.
>           Who comes over to slap Karl around properly.
- ------------------------------

Karl, say it ain't so! Those infomercials tell the gospel truth, 
right? I was all ready to send off for that amazing car-wax that can 
restore faded junkyard paint to brand new and withstand laser-beams 
and flaming kerosine, and I was buying some of that black spray-paint 
to cover up my bald spot so perfectly that not even my wife would 
notice, and while I was at it I was going to get some of those magic 
pellets that you drop in your engine through the spark-plug hole, then 
the magic pellets magically fill in scratches in the cylinder bore and 
give you a bore,hone & ring job for only $19.99, how wonderful that 
clever people out there come up with these amazing products!

On a related note, I've been wondering: if I water my 350 daily with 
Miracle-Gro in the water, will it grow into a 455?

- -John Carri  (experiencing his own version of Karl's hallucinations)
'72 Supreme
'73 RoadRunner

------------------------------


Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 13:55:45 -0500 
From: "Eichten, Brent" <Brent.Eichten@westgroup.com>
Subject: Re: Another Olds in the Family

UGH!  My thoughts exactly!!  However, I do feel somewhat better sacrificing
a minivan to the salt gods of winter!  It also makes my 3 year old
appreciate the ride in Dad's "race car" a little bit more!!
Brent
71 Cutlass Supreme
99 Silhouette GLS

>>Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 07:13:38 -0600
From: "ed" <ed@techniflite.com>
Subject: Re: Another Olds in the Family

MINIVAN.....UGH!
I've had two car seats in my SX.  Not very easy, but my boys have always
enjoyed the throttle response.<<

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 11:54:37 -0700 
From: "Mountney, Scott" <scott.mountney@attws.com>
Subject: Shop Manual/Good wiring diagrams  (Plenty of questions)

Does anyone know where to get the original GM shop manual for 1972
Cutlass/Supreme/442?

I see them on EBay occasionally, but have not seen them for 1972.    Are
there reproductions out there?

I was trying to reinstall the original radio last night.   Just one of many
other electrical tasks I have to do and realized it would be easier to look
up color codes and understand all of the connections rather than following
wires through the dash and testing everything with a multimeter.  

Couple of other quick questions.   On the 1972 radio, I noticed a blue wire
coming out of the right side of the set.   There appears to be no connection
for it.   I am guessing that this wire was for a fader on cars with two
speakers.   My car doesn't have the rear speaker, and there is a hole in the
dash that a peg on the right escutcheon inserts into, preventing that from
turning.  I believe the right escutcheon was the fader on other cars. (mine
has no writing on it)

Next, what color were the three original radio wires? (they were cut from
the GM connector)  I know the dash speaker is blue, and ground I believe is
black with a stripe.   However, none of the wires under there had 12V on
them regardless of my ignition position.   I figure the power may be
disconnected elsewhere, (no lights 'right' of my stereo work....) so I want
to reconnect the power and use the original wires.

Finally, on 72, what accessories work when the key is not turned (or out).
So far I have the cigarette lighter, dash maplight and I *believe* the
rearview map light and glove compartment light.    However, I may be missing
something.  I believe the radio only worked when the key was on accessory.
Answers to these questions should hold me over during my shop manual quest.

Having a degree in electrical engineering doesn't make this stuff easier!!!!
:)   In fact, it makes it harder because you wonder why you didn't buy 5
mint 442s instead of spending that money on tuition.    Would have solved
most of the problems here!

Scott

72 Supreme

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:34:43 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: the joy of infomercials.. (was PTFE/Fram)

I want to get me some of that miracle lube that you can pour into the
engine then drain out the oil and take off the valve covers and dump sand
and water all over it and makes it run like new. If I combine that with the
other stuff that makes the engine idle and run smoother and stop shaking, I
believe I'll have an engine that'll run virtually forever! Not to mention
it goes great on a sandwich and the babes love it!

Omega Man



- ----------------------
>
>Karl, say it ain't so! Those infomercials tell the gospel truth, 
>right? I was all ready to send off for that amazing car-wax that can 
>restore faded junkyard paint to brand new and withstand laser-beams 
>and flaming kerosine, and I was buying some of that black spray-paint 
>to cover up my bald spot so perfectly that not even my wife would 
>notice, and while I was at it I was going to get some of those magic 
>pellets that you drop in your engine through the spark-plug hole, then 
>the magic pellets magically fill in scratches in the cylinder bore and 
>give you a bore,hone & ring job for only $19.99, how wonderful that 
>clever people out there come up with these amazing products!
>
>On a related note, I've been wondering: if I water my 350 daily with 
>Miracle-Gro in the water, will it grow into a 455?
>
>-John Carri  (experiencing his own version of Karl's hallucinations)
>'72 Supreme
>'73 RoadRunner
>
>

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 12:42:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rock Man <rockman20@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Fram, the Devil Filter? was: PH-11 or PH-25 in ANY Olds?

> &KA  <--- Installing a device on the TV to prevent
> watching of infomercials.
>            The TV sends a signal to a professional.
> 
>            Who comes over to slap Karl around
> properly.
> 
=========================
*LOL* Let me know when you get that up and working! I
can't count how many times I've seen an engine run
with no oil pan and water being sprayed on the
journals as it ran! *LOL*

(Knew Karl wasn't flaming Fram. Just depositing .02
cents in the tip jar)

Del
===
Rock-Man's Page http://www.angelfire.com/nd/RockMan
rockman20@yahoo.com
1986 Honda Accord DX
1983 Honda Big Red 3-wheeler
1981 John Deer Snowmobile
197? Massey Ferguson Snowmobile
1969 Olds Cutlass "S"
_________________________________________________________
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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:27:38 -0500 
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: Mid-West listmembers in Tornado Zone/prayers needed!

We're very thankful that you and your family are okay.

You are indeed in our prayers!!!

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	W30442CS@aol.com [SMTP:W30442CS@aol.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 04, 1999 1:16 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: Mid-West listmembers in Tornado Zone/prayers needed!
> 
> well in okla. last i herd it was 40 dead, 541 wounded, and thousands 
> homeless. im 55 miles NE of the hardess hit area (OKC). we spent the
> night 
> watching the weather and praying for those less fortunate. this
> morning 
> another round of storms hit us again and at 8:00 am i found myself and
> three 
> daughters in the basement of our local high school as another line of 
> tornados swept through. i consider my self SO lucky because i still
> have a 
> home , and my family is safe. my fellow okies to the south lost
> everything!  
> please keep these people and those still missing in your prayers.
> 
> steven, w30442cs@aol.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:36:33 -0500 
From: Mickey.Womack@ULTRAK.com
Subject: RE: Shop Manual/Good wiring diagrams  (Plenty of questions)

You can order them from a number of sources....but there was a 1972
Chassis mnaual on Ebay last week....I think it went for around 40$.
They normally list them as "Chassis Manuals".  There is also the
"assembly manual" and the "body manual".

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Mountney, Scott [SMTP:scott.mountney@attws.com]
> Sent:	Tuesday, May 04, 1999 1:55 PM
> To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Shop Manual/Good wiring diagrams  (Plenty of questions)
> 
> Does anyone know where to get the original GM shop manual for 1972
> Cutlass/Supreme/442?
> 
> I see them on EBay occasionally, but have not seen them for 1972.
> Are
> there reproductions out there?
> 
> I was trying to reinstall the original radio last night.   Just one of
> many
> other electrical tasks I have to do and realized it would be easier to
> look
> up color codes and understand all of the connections rather than
> following
> wires through the dash and testing everything with a multimeter.  
> 
> Couple of other quick questions.   On the 1972 radio, I noticed a blue
> wire
> coming out of the right side of the set.   There appears to be no
> connection
> for it.   I am guessing that this wire was for a fader on cars with
> two
> speakers.   My car doesn't have the rear speaker, and there is a hole
> in the
> dash that a peg on the right escutcheon inserts into, preventing that
> from
> turning.  I believe the right escutcheon was the fader on other cars.
> (mine
> has no writing on it)
> 
> Next, what color were the three original radio wires? (they were cut
> from
> the GM connector)  I know the dash speaker is blue, and ground I
> believe is
> black with a stripe.   However, none of the wires under there had 12V
> on
> them regardless of my ignition position.   I figure the power may be
> disconnected elsewhere, (no lights 'right' of my stereo work....) so I
> want
> to reconnect the power and use the original wires.
> 
> Finally, on 72, what accessories work when the key is not turned (or
> out).
> So far I have the cigarette lighter, dash maplight and I *believe* the
> rearview map light and glove compartment light.    However, I may be
> missing
> something.  I believe the radio only worked when the key was on
> accessory.
> Answers to these questions should hold me over during my shop manual
> quest.
> 
> Having a degree in electrical engineering doesn't make this stuff
> easier!!!!
> :)   In fact, it makes it harder because you wonder why you didn't buy
> 5
> mint 442s instead of spending that money on tuition.    Would have
> solved
> most of the problems here!
> 
> Scott
> 
> 72 Supreme
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 15:37:20 -0500
From: "David Popadic" <davepop@execpc.com>
Subject: Dash piece? 67 Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 16:39:57 EDT
From: Four42much@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hust Olds Question

I remember that too...I am pretty sure I got to that site through one of the 
links at  www.hurstolds.com or www.442.com   Hot Rod Harry

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 16:51:44 -0400
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@lex.infi.net>
Subject: Re: Towing vehicle

Well,
 
I may have run up on a possibility for a towing vehicle.  A client of
mine has a 97 F250 3/4 ton extended cab 4x4 diesel that he is currently
leasing.  Loaded (don't know if it's a short bed or long, but I suspect
it is the regular bed) with the towing package on it already.  Has 29k
miles on it, black with red interior.  Bedliner, and several added
options by the owner.  Not a scratch on it anywhere.  A few questions,
though.  What is the approximate worth of this vehicle.  And am I right
in assuming it would tow a midsized car on a car hauler without any
problems for long distances?  What would I expect to get for mileage on
the interstate cruising in the 70 mph or so range without a load and a
guess as to what it would get with the car and trailer behind it.  What
about any weaknesses or paarticular maintenance problems with this set
up?  It sure sounds like a good vehicle to me, but I want some info from
people that have had this setup.  Sure would be nice to have something
to haul my Cutlai around to the various shops on and as a parts gofer. 
The one thing I am not sure I really want is the automatic transmission.
I think I would prefer a standard one for fuel economy reasons (not to
mention getting to row around in it) and I really don't need the 4x4,
but if it's there, it's there.  Thanks for any constructive
comments.....

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 14:38:24 -0700 
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: 65-67 Olds Interior Lights

All,
When should the lights in my 66 Starfire go on? 

Are they supposed to be in synch with the console & map lights which go on
when the doors open? Or are they on a switch -- like the headlight switch? 

When should the rear seat sail panel round lights go on? Are they switched
by the headlight switch? Or should they too go on when the doors are opened?


So far I have the console and map lights working properly. That is, they are
switched by the doorjamb switches, but I have not figured out how to map in
the rest of the courtesy lights.

Any advice you have to give is welcome, I've never had a 60's Olds hardtop
before and my 98 convert doesn't have all these lights. 

Thanks in advance,
cf

PS: The shortnose waterpump went in just fine. While I was at it, I put in
new belts, NOS (well o.k., boneyard) fan shroud, and a new 63amp alternator.

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 17:47:20 -0700
From: stephen minore <steven.minore@snet.net>
Subject: Re: flywheel 4-speed

joe lewis wrote:
> 
> I have one, it has not been on my car in years its up in my garage buried
> somewhere. Make an offer and i will go looking for it
> 
> stephen minore wrote:
> 
> > Hey guys,
> >
> > I am desperatly looking for a good used 4-speed flywheel for my 70
> > cutlass W-31. I put an ad on here some time ago and got one respose, but
> > that deal fell through my hands because I let a considerable time go
> > by!!!!
> > Now i am looking again.
> >
> > any help would be greatly appreciated,
> >
> > thanks!!!!!!
> >
> > Stephen Minore 70 W-31 FREAK!!!!!!!!where are you located?   i am in 
connecticut.  I will offer you $75 with 
shipping?   let me know.


thanks in advance


s.minore

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:06:11 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 65-67 Olds Interior Lights

>So far I have the console and map lights working properly. That is,
>they are switched by the doorjamb switches, but I have not figured
>out how to map in the rest of the courtesy lights.

Based on my _general_ knowledge, which others may contradict: power for the 
interior lights comes from either solid-orange leads, hot at all times, or 
possible orange/white or orange/black wires, also always hot. See what feeds 
your functioning lights and tap into that color, anyway. The "ground" wires 
leading from the lights go to the pin switches in the door (and the 
headlight knob) by way of a switched-ground circuit, which I think is 
typically a white wire (definitely not a black one). Again, see what the 
coding is on the console/map lights.

- -- Andy


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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 15:09:09 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Shop Manual/Good wiring diagrams (Plenty of questions)

>Couple of other quick questions.   On the 1972 radio, I noticed a
>blue wire coming out of the right side of the set.   There appears to be no 
>connection for it.

Power antenna, perhaps? Does it go +12V when radio is switched on?

>Next, what color were the three original radio wires? (they were
>cut from the GM connector)  I know the dash speaker is blue, and
>ground I believe is black with a stripe.

Yellow = Switched radio power
Gray = Dial light (dash lighting circuit)
Black = Ground

>Finally, on 72, what accessories work when the key is not turned
>(or out). So far I have the cigarette lighter, dash maplight and I
>*believe* the rearview map light and glove compartment light. However, I 
>may be missing something.

Windshield wipers.  :-)  (No, really...)

- -- Andy


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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 18:29:33 -0400 (EDT)
From: dsenko@UU.NET (Drew Senko)
Subject: webpage updated

Hey guys (and gals),

I figured out how to (better) use my home scanner recently, so I
rescanned some of the pics on my webpage and I think they look great.
At least, they are a vast improvement over the previous scans.  The
pics are of my Bittersweet 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible.

Most of the good car pics are on

http://members.aol.com/drewinva/dc.htm

And some more are on

http://members.aol.com/drewinva/carpics.htm

Be forewarned however, the picture files are over 100K each and I
didn't take the time to do thumbnails yet.  Check it out!

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Drew Senko            / Convertibles \                    |\
dsenko@uu.net         \_____Rule!____/     .__====-_._____|_\______
Vienna, VA, USA                     O      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
http://members.aol.com/drewinva       o o  =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
_______________________________________________\_/____________\_/_____

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 18:55:41 -0700
From: paul freeman <pfreeman@tmlp.com>
Subject: headlight trim 

having trouble finding head light trim for my 80 cutlass supreme,
does anyone know were i can find some. it sucks having the only year
with double flat headlights.


paul freeman 
taunton,mass

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 17:03:53 -0600
From: "Igor Todorovic" <igor455@home.com>
Subject: Timing Advance on a 455 PLEASE HELP

Some of you will remember that I was going to take my Delta into a shop and
pay them big bucks to change my timing advance curve.  Well I decided to not
to do that and instead purchased a CRANE adjustment kit that comes with the
vacuum advance and some springs.  I am just wondering what other 455 owners
are running in terms of initial and total advance.  I am new to this so
forgive me is I don't know exactly what you are saying.

This is my current settings;

461 motor, 9.5 CR, 204/214@.050 duration, .448/.472 lift, Performer intake,
750 Edelbrock carb, 4" K&N filter and dual exhaust.  I am running a '81 307
distributor with MOROSO weights and one heavy/one medium spring.  I have set
the timing at 16 deg. BTDC @1100 RPM.  The car is 1981 Delta 88.  SO, what
should I do and what timing curve should I try.  Thanks a lot.  Igor.

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:03:50 -0400
From: "RANDY A GEISEL" <RANDYGEISEL@prodigy.net>
Subject: Need space, More Parts f/s, MSD, OAI Hood etc.....

My H/O is coming home soon and I just bought another 72 H/O parts car, so I
need to make more space in the garage. The list has first shot, then
442.com.
Pictures available.......just ask and I'll shoot some.

72 H/O OAI Hood, first 9-12" of underside metal framework is rusted through,
make offer

Possibly selling off other parts from 72 H/O......ask if you need anything
(Motor/trans, gauges, air cleaner are staying with me)

Pics of car at  www.oldengine.com/hurst  It's a rust bucket!

The following  BB parts are from a 71 Delta 88 going cheap

71 455 shortblock, rebuilable core, ran when pulled, make offer
71 G heads, good cores, make offer
71 4v intake, make offer
Th400 long tail from 71 Delta 88, make offer

Misc '68 & '72 350 intakes, brackets, accessories, air cleaners etc
available
Some parts left from 72 Supreme also, shortblock, heads, 4v intake, glass

Just ask, I may have what you need.

======== Approx. 600 miles on these==============

MSD Pro-Billet Distributor, New cost $250, asking $210
MSD Blaster 2 coil, New cost $28.50, asking $20
Moroso Blue Max 8mm plug wires w/holders, New Cost $45, asking $30
Auto Meter tach w/shift light 5", pt #ATM-3904, New cost $140, asking $115

============ Approximately 1,000 miles on these parts==

Posi Rear (drum to drum), 10 bolt (8.5" ring gear) from 72 Cutlass, 3.73
Richmond gears, TorqLine (Auburn) posi carrier, replaced axle bearings.
Originally an open rear. Over $700 invested, asking $500


Edelbrock Carb w/ gasket kit, pt # 1407, 750 cfm, New $217, asking $160
Carb calibration kit, New $42, asking $25 (1 set of rods missing)

Magnum Roller Rocker kit w/ Poly-locks, pt #1441, New $280, asking $230

Comp Cams K-kit pt # K42-231-4,  includes 280H cam (dur 230 @ .050, lift
.490), double roller timing set pt # 2113, double valve springs pt #995-16,
10 deg locks pt # 611, retainers pt # 740-16, seals pt # 503-16  New $390,
asking $280. NOTE: Valve guides need machined for seals to fit and
adjustable valvetrain needed.

7a heads, 3 angle valve job and guides already cut for Comp valve seals.
$200 w/stock springs,rockers and pushrods.

As always shipping extra and prices negotiable. E-mail me privately at
randygeisel@prodigy.net or Rocket455@worldnet.att.net or call me anytime at
the number below.

Thanks,
Randy Geisel
6231 North Street
Honey Brook, PA 19344
610-273-9677

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:08:09 EDT
From: Zitoj@aol.com
Subject: body and frame shop correction

OOOPPS!!
Sorry, I forgot that there might be more than one Albany :-( !!
I'll be moving to Albany, NY for at least 6 nonths of training on the care, 
feeding, maintenance and repair of large gas turbine engines used in 
electrical power plants.

Jim
'69 442 conv

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:10:46 -0700
From: "Peter Berusch" <berusch@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: New Addition

Congratulations.  As an old hand at this game, I council you to enjoy every
moment with your baby that you can.  And you will.  Peter.

>Our new son (our first) will be coming home by Oldsmobile this morning.
>Jeffrey Aaron Kerr was born on Sunday May 2 @ 2:26 am. He and his mother
>Beverley are doing well. I figure I'll have a wrench in his hands inside
>of 6 months!
>

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:15:39 EDT
From: QWKCUTLASS@aol.com
Subject: Re: Timing Advance on a 455 PLEASE HELP

Igor, i have a 74 Cutlass witha 455 and i tlked to Joe Mondello about timing 
and he says to run as much initial timing as possibe, and run a tight advance 
curve, with your total timing at about 32 to 35 degrees.  What you wanna do 
is if you have stop bushings in your distributor you wanna run the least 
amount of advance.  In my car i have an MSD ignition system and i have my 
stop bushing set at 18 degrees of advance. The initial timing is 12...so my 
total timing is 30...you can add the 2 together distributor timing and 
initial timing to give you a rough idea what you have for a total.  About the 
advace speed, you wanna run a fast advance, in a performance motor you wanna 
have total advance by about 2500 rpm, this will very depending on what you 
built the motor for..preformance..etc.  The best way to check your total 
timing is with an auto timing light that will tell you your total advance or 
a degreed harmonic balancer will wotk also.....good luck.
Sam

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:16:53 -0400
From: "B. Vosburgh" <bob442@svic.net>
Subject: Re: headlight trim

like a 68 or 69 headlight houseing

paul freeman wrote:

> having trouble finding head light trim for my 80 cutlass supreme,
> does anyone know were i can find some. it sucks having the only year
> with double flat headlights.
>
> paul freeman
> taunton,mass

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Date: Tue, 04 May 1999 19:48:08 -0700
From: paul freeman <pfreeman@tmlp.com>
Subject: Re: headlight trim

yes like that

"B. Vosburgh" wrote:
> 
> like a 68 or 69 headlight houseing
> 
> paul freeman wrote:
> 
> > having trouble finding head light trim for my 80 cutlass supreme,
> > does anyone know were i can find some. it sucks having the only year
> > with double flat headlights.
> >
> > paul freeman
> > taunton,mass

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:46:51 -0400
From: "M. Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: Another Olds in the Family

> On a more interesting note, my 1971 Cutlass Supreme has developed
> self-healing powers!!  > 

Christine II????
==============================================
Mick Gillespie, Melbourne, FL
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/~mgillespie/oldspage.htm
==============================================

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:54:16 EDT
From: Knightvd@aol.com
Subject: Bolt circle measurements

Can someone tell me the convention for measuring the bolt circle diameter for 
auto wheels.

Thanks,

Vince Knight
'71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:06:23 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hust Olds Question

I had mentioned a few weeks ago that I had a 68 Hurst registry list at work 
with VIN #'s

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:17:39 -0400
From: "M. Gillespie" <mgillespie@sprynet.com>
Subject: Re: New Addition

> Our new son (our first) will be coming home by Oldsmobile this morning.
> Jeffrey Aaron Kerr was born on Sunday May 2 @ 2:26 am. He and his mother
> Beverley are doing well. I figure I'll have a wrench in his hands inside
> of 6 months!
>
> Brian and Beverley Kerr
> Cambridge, Ontario
> 1969 Cutlass Conv
> 1986 Cutlass Supreme

Brian,
Don't want to sound like a "me too", but congratulations to you and
Beverley. It's even better since you're from my old home town and you have
69 vert. too. At least you didn't name the baby "Cutlass". ;-)
Just had our first granddaughter in December Greg , so your not such an old
geezer after all.
==============================================
Mick Gillespie, Melbourne, FL
69 Cutlass Conv.
80 Toronado Brougham
mgillespie@sprynet.com
http://home.sprynet.com/~mgillespie/oldspage.htm
==============================================

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 20:23:30 -0400
From: "Kelly McCuller" <kmcculler@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Differential Math

Before I changed my gears, my 2.41 (good Lord!) ran 2000 rpm dead even at
60mph running Dunlop GTQ 245 60/15s. ...So, a 3.23 should run about 2680rpm
I'd guess. 3300 does sound high. (?)

- - Kelly
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From: markas <vfquick442@webtv.net>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sunday, May 02, 1999 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: Differential Math


List, Has anyone seen the formula for determining rear diff. ratio. I
saw it in MCR, but cannot find issue. Had 70 442 with 3:23 rear out
today.At 60 MPH on flat road ,speedo read 3300 RPM.This seems a little
high.I did wheel spin/drive shaft count a few years back and it seemed
to be correct 3:23 .Anybody know if this is where tach should be ?All
replies are appreciated.    Thanx................Markas

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 21:27:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: REQ: 1953 Olds Info

On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Reed, Stephen wrote:
> Hey List!	
> 	I have just found out about a 1953 Olds from a guy at work.

Hey Steve!

What happened? Did you get it? Sounds like there has to be an interesting
story connected with it... fill us in.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:30:02 -0500
From: "Mark Tupper" <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Subject: Fw: 73 cutless supreme

I got this personally, and it sounds like they could really use some help.

Contact them directly at Ibafilfan@aol.com if you have anything for them.

Thanks,

- -Mark Tupper     1987 442    (OCA 30666)
 mtupper@palacenet.net     http://cyberglyphs.com/442/

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From: <Ibafilfan@aol.com>
To: <mtupper@palacenet.net>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 8:49 PM
Subject: 73 cutless supreme


> please help me.  my son purchased a 1973  olds cutless supreme,
>
> he was 16 years old, has had it totally repainted, new vinyl on top, new
> carpet, new backseat.
>
> now he is 17, and he is still looking for vinyl top moldings for the side
> panels to the back,  any suggestions where to find any.  we tried all junk
> yard in our buffalo, new york area.  we even go up to 74 or 75 because my
> husband found door moldings to fit from a 75.
>
> your help in this matter is greatly appreciate.  someone told my husband
> about a "paddock"  i can not find it.
>
> please help -  marianne
>

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Date: Tue, 4 May 1999 19:34:56 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Parking lights, long 

>>The wiring in the rear of the car is good, jumped 12v to the
>>wire that comes off of the light switch and goes to the parking
>>lights in the rear (brown wire).
>
>Sounds good. Just to clarify (or beat it to death :-), you unplugged the
>light switch and stuck a hot lead into the brown wire of the harness plug
>there, right? Sounds like you have verified the entire wiring harness in
one
>swell foop.


Correct.


>>The switch is good as I installed it in my 68 and it works fine.
>
>I don't know what to tell you there, but I would be interested to get a
>voltage tester with a needle probe, and actually stab the brown wire once
>the switch is installed (in either your working car or the problem one) and
>just verify that the brown wire really is hot in the working car, dead in
>the problem one.


I took it as a given that the wire was hot in my car since the lights worked
and I was going by the factory schematic with the color codes.  I did probe
the problem car and got nothing.  Starting to think that a short in one of
the other circuits (i.e. dash lights, interior lights, etc.) that is tied
into the
headlight switch has a short in it and is letting all the current bypass the
parking lights.  Sound plausible?

>>I am at a loss as to why a good switch will get 12v in
>>and not give you the 12v out as per the diagram.  Any
>>ideas? Chris and I would be very grateful for any past
>>experiences that could point us in a direction.
>
>It might be an intermittent fault that you temporarily fixed in the course
>of swapping it into your car. It's also possible to measure _voltage_ out
>from a switch that's still dirty enough that it can't deliver enough
>_amperage_ to get any work done on the circuit. I spent an afternoon
>diagnosing a power window switch assembly that tested fine with a
voltmeter,
>but couldn't actually move any windows until I sprayed it full of contact
>cleaner and blasted all the dirt out of it.
>
>At this point your best bet might be to see if the local auto parts store
>will "lend" you a new switch to try out (usually they won't accept
>electrical returns unless you're a pal). And did you try swapping _your_
>switch into the problem car?
>
>-- Andy


Chris had already bought a new switch and that was the first thing I tried.
In thinking that the new switch might be bad I tried them both in my car and
they both worked fine.  I didn't try my switch as that seemed pointless at
that
time.  The contact cleaner is a good point, I'll try it on all the underdash
connectors this weekend.  I really don't think that's it since I can't
measure
any voltage to begin with.  Chris said that the parking lights did start
working
briefly after I left, and I'm thinking that by moving the car and/or the
vibration
from the engine running there is a wire somewhere that is shorting to ground
~most~ of the time.  Thanks to all who have given me input on this.  You've
sparked some ideas and given some other things to check that I overlooked.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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