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oldsmobile-digest       Friday, April 30 1999       Volume 01 : Number 1934



Re: Cigrette Lighter and other tricks.
RE: (no subject)
Re: Re Gearless Good news
Re: A few more questions
Re: Re Gearless Good news
Re: oval vs round lower control arm bushings
Re: Q-jet on 360 Mopar
Re: '64 442 going
Re: Electrical Question
Weatherstriping
REQ: 1953 Olds Info
Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?
REQ:  1991 Cutlass Help
RE: Cutlass Brakes (fwd)
Happy to be here!!! :)))
RE: 1991 Cutlass Help
Olds on tv last night
Re:  Rear Main Seal Part II
RE: Olds on tv last night
my response to Spring Fling X111
Window regulator
Re: REQ: 1953 Olds Info
Olds in Hot Rod
Re: Thanks!  (was oval vs round LCA bushings)
Re: Theft deterrent systems
Re: REQ: 1991 Cutlass Help
Re: Carlisle(where was everyone?)
Re: Carlisle(where was everyone?)
HEI in a 394ci engine
Re: Ring Seating
Re: HEI in a 394ci engine
455 Ignition wiring diagram
Re: 455 Ignition wiring diagram
Re: Coooool
SV: 455 Ignition wiring diagram
Regarding the original Cigrette Lighter trick.
An apology.
RE: HEI in a 394ci engine
Re: SV: 455 Ignition wiring diagram
Re: HEI in a 394ci engine
Re: Car show
Re: Olds on tv last night
Re: Carlisle(where was everyone?)
Re: Coooool
Car Game
Re: Carlisle(where was everyone?)
Re: Price of Mustang
Re: Adjustable Vacuum Advance
Re: Car show
Re: REQ: 1991 Cutlass Help
Re: Carlisle(where was everyone?)
Re: Carlisle(where was everyone?)
Re: 1953 Olds Info

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:02:09 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Cigrette Lighter and other tricks.

I don't know if I was the original poster on the cigarette lighter trick, but
I've certainly thought this would be a good concept for many years.  Since I
don't smoke, I figured I could simply install a push on/push off switch in 
place
of the heating element and wire this in series with the neutral safety switch.
Simple, hide-it-in-plain-sight kill switch.

I _will_ vouch for the effectiveness of a simple kill switch.  On at least 
three
occasions this 59 cent part prevented my prior 68 442 from being stolen while I
was attending college in Boston.  Unfortunately, the @$$holes still managed to
bust up the plastic dashboard trying to steal the car.  Fortunately, at the 
time
the plastic was still available from the dealer.  After taking the dash out for
the third time, I hit upon the idea of simply unbolting the steering wheel when
I parked the car (I had retrofitted a 70-72 four-spoke wheel, so it came off
with six phillips head screws).  Of course, I once was stopped by the campus
police who wanted to know where I was going with a steering wheel.  Where were
they when my car was being broken into?

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 06:05:53 -0700
From: Chris Zimmerman <CZimmerman@KVOA.com>
Subject: RE: (no subject)

Charlie's Auto & Truck Salvage in Tucson, Arizona has lots of Cutlasses.
He specializes in '64-'72 GM A-bodies. His number is (520) 574-9130, or
574-9191. Tell him you heard about his place here on the Olds mailing
list.

Cheers,
Chris

- -----Original Message-----
From: VLHDancer@aol.com [mailto:VLHDancer@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 4:01 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: (no subject)


I NEED A RUST FREE ROOF FOR MY 1968 CUTLASS 2 DR HARD TOP. IN FLORIDA
THEY 
RUST WHERE THE WINDSHIELDS GLUE ON. HELP

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:10:08 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Re Gearless Good news

Since you're running a posi make sure your guy uses the right GM limited
slip additive or the rear will snap crackle and pop. Maybe that was your
problem to begin with.

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455
'74 Omega coupe






At 09:56 PM 4/29/99 -0400, you wrote:
>The Cutlass went up on the hoist today the posi & ring & pinion were removed
>and were found to be in good condition, and no fault could be found. The oil
>looked bad and a different additive will be used, hopefully this will solve
>any clutch chatter that I was having before. It looks like some of the noise
>was coming from the driveshaft rubbing the exhaust, but the Mech. said he
>will set up the rear a bit different to try and reduce any play in the used
>ring & pinion just incase that was part of the problem (sorry not sure of
>the exact terms that were used to describe the new set up) something about
>readjusting the gear lash and preload of the pinion. So I should be getting
>the car back tomorrow some times you get lucky, so I should only be out
>about 200$ Can for the work. Well that's better than 1200$ any day. I must
>put a plug in for the shop as this gentleman has helped me out quite a bit
>with my 80 Cutlass. If anyone should need any work done and live in or
>around Toronto call
>David Stirk Ent. (DSE Automotive LTD)
>located on Hwy 10 Brampton
>(905) 846-2682
>As far as I know he has put together some fast cars and has the best
>reputation in the Brampton and surrounding area for his work with Drag, &
>Street cars
>
>Kevin Grant
>80 Cutlass Supreme
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:10:10 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: A few more questions

I intend to strip out the old fuel lines and run new 3/8"  hard line. I want
all solid connections hence no rubber inline. I'm looking at all the
colorful fittings that are AN Fittings. Must tell you I'm pulling a ????
here as to what size I need to mate up to this 3/8" line. -4AN,  -6AN  ????...
________

Gary,

The AN dash number relates to the diameter in 1/16ths of an inch, though not
directly.  The conversion is that a -6 line (either hard line or braided
stainless) has the same _inside diameter_ as a 3/8 (or 6/16, hence the -6) 
hose.
Similarly, -4 is 1/4", -8 is 1/2", etc.

I hope you don't really mean an "all solid" system.  You will at least need to
have some flexible line between the frame and the engine to allow for 
vibration.
Otherwise, you'll eventually cause a fatigue failure in the hardline, leading 
to
the same sort of catastrophic flambe that you're trying to avoid.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:13:16 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Re Gearless Good news

One more thing about the additive. Make sure you put in enough. The GM
stuff comes in little bottles. 1 bottle of additive for every qt of gear
oil. Use the right weight of oil. Your gear guy should be able to recomend it.

Omega MAn





At 09:56 PM 4/29/99 -0400, you wrote:
>The Cutlass went up on the hoist today the posi & ring & pinion were removed
>and were found to be in good condition, and no fault could be found. The oil
>looked bad and a different additive will be used, hopefully this will solve
>any clutch chatter that I was having before. It looks like some of the noise
>was coming from the driveshaft rubbing the exhaust, but the Mech. said he
>will set up the rear a bit different to try and reduce any play in the used
>ring & pinion just incase that was part of the problem (sorry not sure of
>the exact terms that were used to describe the new set up) something about
>readjusting the gear lash and preload of the pinion. So I should be getting
>the car back tomorrow some times you get lucky, so I should only be out
>about 200$ Can for the work. Well that's better than 1200$ any day. I must
>put a plug in for the shop as this gentleman has helped me out quite a bit
>with my 80 Cutlass. If anyone should need any work done and live in or
>around Toronto call
>David Stirk Ent. (DSE Automotive LTD)
>located on Hwy 10 Brampton
>(905) 846-2682
>As far as I know he has put together some fast cars and has the best
>reputation in the Brampton and surrounding area for his work with Drag, &
>Street cars
>
>Kevin Grant
>80 Cutlass Supreme
>
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:14:04 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: oval vs round lower control arm bushings

Two questions, one, what model years have lower control arms that
interchange with my '72?  Two, which of these had the round bushings?...
_______

All 68-72 GM A-body cars will interchange, however there is some variability in
the use of round vs. oval bushings.  The oval bushings are designed to provide 
a
less jarring ride over bumps, so look to the lower-line cars (Chebby and bottom
of the line in the other divisions) for the round bushings.  Also, I think 
these
were phased in over that 68-72 span, so check the earlier cars (68 primarily).

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:16:55 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: Q-jet on 360 Mopar

Igor, Chrysler Corp. did in fact use the Rochester Quadrajet on
small-block Mopar engines after about 1985 or so...
________

Really?  I'm not that Mopar literate.  I always assumed the T-quad was their
spreadbore of choice, though I do know that the Q-jet was used on the Ford 
Super
Cobra Jet 429s.  Payback I guess, for Olds using the CJ air cleaner flapper on
the 69 H/O  ;-)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 09:26:07 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: '64 442 going

Unfortunately, a 71 350 and TH350.  All 64 442s were 4 spd cars.  This one will
be hard to verify, as repro emblems are available.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:04:54 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Electrical Question

>Only one of my back-up lights work. The bulbs are fine, and
>the sockets good. They did work and then all of the sudden
>the one stopped working. Any ideas? The wire is hooked up.

Wellll... Testing will find the problem.

First, just swap the bulbs around. If the problem changes sides, replace the 
offending bulb.

Next see if you're getting power in the contact at the bottom of the socket. 
Push down on it while testing and make sure it isn't intermittent.

Also check that the ground connection is solid by testing its 
continuity/resistance with a meter. I have plenty of sockets that look fine 
but have bad contacts inside, especially those with a ground lead going into 
a side port; those often break up internally.

This is one of the simplest circuits on the car and you know the problem 
occurs between the dead lamp and the point where its power feed splits off 
from the other lamp, so you don't have a whole lot of territory to cover.  
:-)

- -- Andy


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:03:33 -0400
From: "Mitchel L. Young" <mitch@iitek.net>
Subject: Weatherstriping

I want to replace almost all of the weather stripping on my
64 Starfire convertable   Any good sources out there?  Is
there a seal available for where the top meets the
windshield, the other day during a bad rain storm it started
leaking in a couple of places.

Thanks in advance

Mitch

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:01:21 -0700
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: REQ: 1953 Olds Info

Hey List!	
	I have just found out about a 1953 Olds from a guy at work.
Apparently the cars has been off the road since 1970.  It's been in a barn
in the middle of the boonies here in Texas.  The guy tells me that the car
is his Aunt's, and that she hasn't done anything with the car since her
husband died some time ago.  The last year the car was on the road was 1970.
Apparently it's in incredible shape; interior and exterior.  
	I have only hear about the car so far, and have not seen it.  Can
list members tell me what models were available that year (I'm only familiar
with the muscle car era), and the value of each model for that year?  The
only information I have is that it's a 2 door.  

I told my dad about it last night and he got psyched to get it!!

Also if anyone has a web page (or know of one) that would have a picture of
a 53 model, let me know so I can show dad.  His memory is a little foggy and
would like to see a picture of one.

With any luck we'll get dad back into the driver's seat of an Olds!!

Thanks!

Steve Reed
Austin, TX

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:02:55 -0700 (PDT)
From: Larry <kajrav@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: vin check: is this a 65 442?

The '65 Service Manual says 3837 is a Cutlass F-85, V-8 engine,
Hardtop Coupe.




- ---Paul Hartlieb <plh@nbn.net> wrote:
>
> Cliff Simpson wrote:
> 
> > > 338375M210112
> > 
> > 3=Olds
> > 
> > 3837=dunno.
> > 3807=Cutlass Sport Coupe (possible 442)
> > 3817=Cutlass Holiday Coupe (possible 442)
> > 3867=Cutlass Convertible (possible 442)
> > 5837=Delta 88 Holiday Coupe (not a 442) :'>
> >  
> > This is from Drew's VIN decoder at:
http://members.aol.com/drewinva/vin/  
> 
> And is horribly incorrect - sorry Drew!
> 
> 3807 does not exist - the correct model number for an F-85 Cutlass
2door
> Sports Coupe is 3827.  38 is the F-85 Cutlass, 27 for the Sports
Coupe.
> 
> 3817 doesn't exist either, correct code for an F-85 Cutlass Holiday
> coupe is 3837.  Again, 38 for the F-85 Cutlass, 37 for the Holiday
> coupe.
> 
> 3867 is correct for the F-85 Cutlass convertible.
> 
> All this from the "Standard catalog of Oldsmobile"
> 
> Paul
> -- 
> Paul Hartlieb
> Myerstown, PA
> mailto:plh@nbn.net
> 

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:06:23 -0700
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: REQ:  1991 Cutlass Help

List,
	Mom has a 1991 Cutlass Supreme W/3.8 which now has 156,000 miles.
The engine spit up a code 43 last night, which according to the guys @
Autozone is a code for the knock sensor.  Since it was cheap dad & I
replaced it, and still got the same code today.
	Mom says that the only thing she has noticed with the car is that it
is idling a little higher than usual.  She said the Oil psi, water temp, and
charging system gauges all seemed to be where they usually are.

Does anyone have any suggestions as where to go from here?

I haven't driven the car myself, so I can't comment on how it runs.  We have
got mom trained to watch the gauges, so hopefully nothing will go wrong
before we can dig into it this weekend.

Thanks!

Steve Reed
Austin, TX

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:13:07 -0400
From: Chris Gow <Gow@OCAS.On.Ca>
Subject: RE: Cutlass Brakes (fwd)

That does sound right.  I just recently joined this mailing list and brakes
(in particular this problem) was one of the reasons why I joined.  I have a
91 Olds Supreme and I have the same problem with making the brake pedal
hard.  In order to get any braking power whatsoever, I pretty much have to
put the pedal to the floor and even then braking power is nominal.

  In the time I have owned the car, I have had the calipers replaced at
least twice (the car was originally purchased in 93).  The last time I had
the calipers replaced they looked pretty rusty but I just figured that was
natural since they are exposed to the elements constantly. 

Now I know squat about cars other than what makes them go :) but this
doesn't seem quite right. I would've thought that calipers would be one of
the last things that would have to be replaced frequently since they don't
have a lot of wear on them...I mean all they really do is press the brake
pads against the disc right?

Can anyone suggest a way to fix the problem or is it something that one must
live with?

Thanks 

Chris Gow
gow@ocas.on.ca

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Paul Hartlieb [SMTP:plh@nbn.net]
> Sent:	Thursday, April 29, 1999 10:31 PM
> To:	cbender@siebeappliance.com
> Cc:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:	Re: Cutlass Brakes (fwd)
> 
> Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> > 
> > This came to me personally; forwarding.
> > 
> > I have a '95 Olds Cutlass Convertible and the mechanic is having a hard
> time
> > making the pedal hard. He's replaced the rear pads and claims to have
> bled
> > the system twice. Still no pedal. As a matter of fact the car has a very
> > hard time stopping under "panic" situations. Can you offer some
> suggestions?
> > 
> > Curt Bender
> 
> Haven't I heard that they had problems with the rear calipers seizing up
> on these units?  Something about them being lubricated by the brake
> fluid and they end up rusting up...
> 
> Paul
> -- 
> Paul Hartlieb
> Myerstown, PA
> mailto:plh@nbn.net

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:18:49 -0400
From: "bob" <bwassell@msn.com>
Subject: Happy to be here!!! :)))

Every car i've ever owned is an oldsmobile.
I love this stuff.

65' f85
76 cutlass supreme
89 calais international series
95 aurora.

(my next car is another aurora).

thanx.

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:17:18 -0400
From: "Jolly, Peter (CC/ISD)" <PJolly@nih.gov>
Subject: RE: 1991 Cutlass Help

Check the Mass Air Flow Sensor.  I used to have an 86 Cutlass, with the same
engine, and the MAF is a problem.  We could never get a properr diagnosis
from it, becuase it would always spit out another code.  The idling was a
problem that we had.  If the problem pregresses, you will probably notice
that the idling will drop out at certain times, and the car will stall.

Pete Jolly

> ----------
> From: 	Reed, Stephen
> Reply To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Sent: 	Friday, April 30, 1999 10:06 AM
> To: 	'Olds'
> Subject: 	REQ:  1991 Cutlass Help
> 
> List,
> 	Mom has a 1991 Cutlass Supreme W/3.8 which now has 156,000 miles.
> The engine spit up a code 43 last night, which according to the guys @
> Autozone is a code for the knock sensor.  Since it was cheap dad & I
> replaced it, and still got the same code today.
> 	Mom says that the only thing she has noticed with the car is that it
> is idling a little higher than usual.  She said the Oil psi, water temp,
> and
> charging system gauges all seemed to be where they usually are.
> 
> Does anyone have any suggestions as where to go from here?
> 
> I haven't driven the car myself, so I can't comment on how it runs.  We
> have
> got mom trained to watch the gauges, so hopefully nothing will go wrong
> before we can dig into it this weekend.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Steve Reed
> Austin, TX
> 

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:22:58 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Olds on tv last night

Did anyone catch worlds scariest police chases last night? There was a dumb
kid in a '78or9 Cutlass trying to outrun the law. Is there some secret
breeding ground for these morons? They should put up a fence around it.:)

Omega Man
2-'74 Omegas

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 07:20:32 -0700
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re:  Rear Main Seal Part II

>Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 21:49:03 -0500 (CDT)
>From: Dr-Olds@webtv.net (Dr. Olds - K. Wood)
>Subject: Rear Main Seal Part II

>Another question I just came up with... I was
>just paging through the FAQ's and see there
>where somebody claimed the Ford 460 Neoprene rear main seal will for on
>the Olds
>455.  Anybody believe that?  I just want the
>seal not to leak anymore! 

>Thanks again,
>Kevin D. Wood
>Dr-Olds@webtv.net

>P.S.  I just got the last digest, and there have
>not been any responses yet... Is everybody
>sleeping?  H*lp, please.... Pretty please???

Kevin,
	As far as I know the diameter of the seal surface for each
crankshaft (Ford & Olds) is the same.  But I don't think this seal would
work without modifying the rear main cap, and the engine block.  The seal
for the ford is a "Full round" seal, whereas the Olds is a 2 piece design;
therefore the seal would not just drop in place.  The cap and block would
have to me machined to allow this one piece unit.
	What I have done (and other on the list) is to rotate the seal
slightly so the end gaps are not perfectly aligned with the oil pan surface.
Just rotate the seal in the block so one end is at approximately 8 O'clock,
and the other at 2 O'clock.  Then put the other half of the seal in the main
cap and align it the same.  Once you place the main cap on the crank surface
and begin so snug it down it will seal without any problems.
	I usually use either "High-Tack" or "Aviation Sealant" on my gasket
surfaces.  I never use any silicone on anything.  I learned this while
working as a machinist and my boss never used silicone on anything but head
bolts.  The gasket itself should seal the two mating surfaces.  The sealant
usually aids in "holding" the gasket in place.  

I hope this helps


Steve Reed
Austin, TX

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:31:14 -0400
From: "bob" <bwassell@msn.com>
Subject: RE: Olds on tv last night

loved that 7up truck.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Gene Gilpin
Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 10:23 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Olds on tv last night


Did anyone catch worlds scariest police chases last night? There was a dumb
kid in a '78or9 Cutlass trying to outrun the law. Is there some secret
breeding ground for these morons? They should put up a fence around it.:)

Omega Man
2-'74 Omegas

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 7:21 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: my response to Spring Fling X111

In three words - it was wonderful!

Great weather, wonderful location (I'll gladly put up with the parking 
difficulties in exchange for being on grass among shady trees instead 
of baking on an asphalt lot somewhere else), so many gorgeous Mopars 
that my eyes began to glaze over before I saw them all, lots of 
literature and vendors, and more food choices than in previous years - 
all told, a very good experience.

My juices are now flowing and I'm all fired up to get my '73 
RoadRunner back on the road again.

My wife came along on her first visit to a Mopar show, and in perhaps 
the ultimate compliment to Spring Fling, she now wants a
'70 - '73 Barracuda! Before the show she was more interested in '68-70 
Mercury Cougar's, so I'd say that Spring Fling XIII did a good job of 
displaying Mopar's to their best advantage. 

- -John Carri
'73 340 RoadRunner
'72 Olds Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:37:31 -0400
From: Scott Parker <sparker442@banet.net>
Subject: Window regulator

List Folks: 'Looking for a driver's side window regulator for a 71 442
Conv.  'Anyone know of a source?  Doesn't appear to be a catalog
item...       Thanks.
Scott Parker
71 442 Conv. (in the spray booth next Monday!!)

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:38:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: REQ: 1953 Olds Info

Here's a web page that has a couple of vintage '53 factory literature
scans:

http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Track/5660/olds49.html

Who knows, maybe that '53 is a Fiesta... ;-) 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:56:53 -0400
From: retrorockets <retrorockets@snet.net>
Subject: Olds in Hot Rod

Check out p.116 in the new issue of Hot Rod (June).  '70 Cutlass with a
Mondello-worked '69 455, Batten heads, + a bunch of other stuff.  Ran
9.77 on 10" slicks and 10.09 on DOTs.  And that's on the motor, guys, no
juice!  asdfghjkl;;'
xcvbbbnm,./  excuse me , just cleaning the drool off my keyboard.

Dude

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 7:49 
From: "John Carri" <jcarri@alesis1.usa.com>
Subject: Re: Thanks!  (was oval vs round LCA bushings)

Jim Chermack wrote:

>John
>        It's easy to tell if they are oval. You can easily see the 
>rear bushing while they are on the car. You may have to jack the car 
>up. That's the only one that's oval. All 64-72 GM A-body cars could 
>have round bushings. We have some sets if you need them.
>
>Jim Chermack
>C&M Classic Parts

Jim, thanks for the tip. I'll make another junkyard trip and see if I 
can spot a car with the round bushings *before* I take everything 
apart!

If I come up empty I'll contact you re the A-arms you have in stock, 
right now my budget is tight because I'm saving for those pricy Global 
West upper A-arms (don't want to risk the lots-and-lots-of-shims and 
stock A-arm route).

- -John Carri
'72 Supreme
'73 RoadRunner

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 08:18:52 -0700
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Re: Theft deterrent systems

One of the best and cheapest methods of theft deterrent I have heard of came
from my friend in Queens.  I wish I would have know this, so my 88
Bonneville wouldn't have gotten far last summer before it was torched!

My friend takes out the fuel pump fuse each night when he gets home.  He
puts it under his floor mat  each night.  Free and easy theft deterrent. 

I do like the relay Ideas that have been posted recently, especially the
cigarette lighter.

P.S.  Looks like I made an "oops" this AM when I posted about the ford 460
rear mail seal.  I could have sworn they were new full round seals.  Oh
well, everyone makes one once in a while..

Steve Reed
Austin, TX

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:26:39 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: REQ: 1991 Cutlass Help

Since it was cheap dad & I replaced it, and still got the same code today...

Does anyone have any suggestions as where to go from here?
_______

It's been a while since I worked on an Olds with a computer, but don't you need
to actively clear the error codes after fixing the problem?  I seem to recall
something about temporarily disconnecting the memory wire to the computer, or
something like that.  Anyone have more details?

_REAL_ cars don't have operating systems!   ;-)

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:36:05 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Carlisle(where was everyone?)

I guess it's about time I tell about my Carlisle trip.  I think I may be the 
last guy to do so.  I finally caught up on all of the list mail today, only a 
week later.  The main problem is it's been crazy at work this week and didn't 
have enough time to read all of the mail.  ha, ha.

snip 
In a message dated 04/27/1999 9:51:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:

<< Well let's see. On friday in all the rain I did manage to pick up an
 umbrella, a parka, 5 '74 Omega dealer pamphlets ($1 ea), a few model cars,
 chrome valve covers for the 455 and a couple Omega license plates.(Thanks
 Joe, I did find 'em). >>

I only a few things:
A 1969 paint chip brochure for $5.  I had seen one just before I bought this 
one for $25.  It pays to keep looking.

A new circuit tester for $2.  Hopefully it lasts more than one test.  I 
needed one after seeing that the wire on my 20+ year old Snap-On one is ready 
to break.

A nice 442 T-shirt for $13.   It has a yellow 70 as the main car with a 67 
and a 68 that are a little smaller.  Has the 67 442 emblem in the center and 
the words  AMERICAN MUSCLE  on the bottom.   Only problem is that it was my 
last purchase of the day and I think my brain was water logged from all the 
rain.  I got a large instead of x-large.  If anyone would like it they can 
have it for $10. 

snip
<>

Same here, it was good meeting up with some of the people on the list.  I got 
to meet Joe P. a little earlier.  We were both looking at the 70 W-31 for 
$6,500 and I asked if he was on the Olds Mailing List and we introduced 
ourselves.  Very Cool.

I had a great time even with the rain.  It was a great place to be if you 
loved cars, there was just so much to see, parts and cars that your head 
would be spin.

Hope to see more of you at the Fall show .  I heard the Summer show is not as 
big. Any comments.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:56:46 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Carlisle(where was everyone?)

>
>Hope to see more of you at the Fall show .  I heard the Summer show is not
as 
>big. Any comments.
>
>Lou Principe
>69 442 W-30
>
>

Hey Lou
The summer show is usually not as big as the spring and fall shows. But
It's usually just as good. Better time for buying. Prices arent as steep.
It's usually about 3/4 the size of what you saw this spring. The weather is
usually sunny and hot. Great for working on that burn/tan. Not to mention
the bikinis come out. You can still spend a full day walking and not see it
all. There has been times when the grounds were only about half full, but
this year just has a feeling about it. A good feeling. If the weather
proves nice I believe Summer Carlisle this year will be booming. Hope to
see some of you there. This time I'll stick around a little longer to B.S.
BTW is anyone going to the Big M show in Churchville, MD that James M posted?
I'll be there.

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455
'74 Omega in progress

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:54:51 -0400
From: Mark Hillman <mhillman@ebtech.net>
Subject: HEI in a 394ci engine

I read in the FAQ that " All 1964-1990 (except 394) Olds engine
distributors interchange".  So what's a guy to do if he has a 394 and wants
HEI?

Mark
'61 Dynamic 88

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:05:16 -0500 (CDT)
From: blue442@webtv.net (Jeff Carter)
Subject: Re: Ring Seating

In the instructions for Total Seal gapless moly rings, they plainly
state not to oil the rings.  They say the rings should be allowed to
seat dry on cylinder walls.  They further recommend against synthetic
oils until after 3-5k street miles.  

Jeff Carter

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:06:01 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: HEI in a 394ci engine

...So what's a guy to do if he has a 394 and wants HEI?
_______

Use an aftermarket (not HEI) electronic ignition conversion kit.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:11:15 +0200
From: "Oyvind Olsen" <oe-hools@online.no>
Subject: 455 Ignition wiring diagram

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Any electric wizards out there - I have a 455 in my 72 Cutlass Supreme, =
and can't get a spark.
BATT and TERM have a resistance of 0.7 Ohms and about 3-400 K vs Ground =
- - Too much ?

The wires are all disconnected and the description went in the washing =
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:20:03 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: 455 Ignition wiring diagram

The wires are all disconnected and the description went in the washing machine
...
________

The wire from the points in the distributor goes to the "-" terminal of the
coil, as does a tach wire if so equipped.  The purple and yellow wires go to 
the
"+" terminal of the coil.

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:24:57 EDT
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: Coooool

In a message dated 99-04-29 16:14:41 EDT, you write:

<< Wooow, to scary. In contacting to close a mortgage and transfer funds that
 will pull this all together, the # to call is: 000-442-4420 Cooooool. >>

On a similar note; where is the 442 area code?

Lansing?

SOM

&KA

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 18:35:35 +0200
From: "Oyvind Olsen" <oe-hools@online.no>
Subject: SV: 455 Ignition wiring diagram

Thanks so far ...
The 3 wires from the distributer are light brown, black, and dark brown,
abd I'm looking for the 'normal' resistance readings for the coil.
It's an HEI system, according to my parts shop,

Regards,
Oyvind Olsen


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Emne: Re: 455 Ignition wiring diagram


>The wires are all disconnected and the description went in the washing machine
>...
>________
>
>The wire from the points in the distributor goes to the "-" terminal of the
>coil, as does a tach wire if so equipped.  The purple and yellow wires go to 
the
>"+" terminal of the coil.
>
>Joe Padavano
>padavano.joe@orbital.com
>
>66 442
>68 W-30
>69 H/O
>69 442
>70 W-30
>
>

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 12:46:45 EDT
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Regarding the original Cigrette Lighter trick.

In a message dated 99-04-30 09:04:20 EDT, you write:

<< I don't know if I was the original poster on the cigarette lighter trick, 
but
 I've certainly thought this would be a good concept for many years. >>

Odd, the original poster should have replied on this.

So he must have gone to the Toro list.

However, as we recall, the original poster was the second owner of a 1967-9 
Toro.

Shortly after getting that great deal, he realized that the cigarrette 
lighter was non-functional.
So he obtained a replacement part.

And the car would not start.

After more attemps and some fuming, he realized that it did start when back 
the way it was.

Previous owner had not recalled that a custom kill switch was installed into 
the lighter socket.

Not recall the exact functionality of the switch.

Dr. Barry, on the other hand thought the flip-open hatch for cigarette 
lighter in one of his cars would be a good place for the manual choke 
handle......

SOM

&KA

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:16:11 +0000
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: An apology.

	I posted a reference to an auto that was being sold yesterday on this 
list and
could have lost a list member a chance at buying it at a good price.

	I will try to remember Greg's words and keep my trap shut about items 
on "the
site with no name" from now on.

Sorry,
- -- 

Cliff "I would have been upset if someone did this to me" Simpson
mailto:csimpson@ucalgary.ca
'69 442,400,th400,3.31p (Kermit)
http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:23:18 -0700
From: Chris Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Subject: RE: HEI in a 394ci engine

Would it be possible to graft the 394 cam gear onto the 455 shaft and have
that work? 

Machine work might be required, but what other considerations would there
be?

Listers?
cf

- -----Original Message-----
From: Mark Hillman [mailto:mhillman@ebtech.net]
Sent: Friday, April 30, 1999 8:55 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: HEI in a 394ci engine




I read in the FAQ that " All 1964-1990 (except 394) Olds engine
distributors interchange".  So what's a guy to do if he has a 394 and wants
HEI?

Mark
'61 Dynamic 88

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:29:19 -0400
From: Padavano.Joe@Orbital.COM
Subject: Re: SV: 455 Ignition wiring diagram

It's an HEI system...
_________

Uh, in that case, disregard my previous response, which was obviously for a
point-type system

Joe Padavano
padavano.joe@orbital.com

66 442
68 W-30
69 H/O
69 442
70 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:32:20 EDT
From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Subject: Re: HEI in a 394ci engine

In a message dated 99-04-30 13:24:25 EDT, you write:

<< Would it be possible to graft the 394 cam gear onto the 455 shaft and have
 that work?  >>

It would be easier (and more fun!) to get a custom grind for 394.

So, better spark, and more fuel economy with a short duration, high lift cam.

If that's the way you really want to go.

SOM

&KA

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:32:46 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Car show

In a message dated 04/30/1999 7:58:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:

<< 
 I'll be there too. Scary cranberry red, black striped '70 Camaro. 355/TH350
 
 Omega Man
 
 '74 Omegas >>

CAMARO????  What's going on.  When are you going to get those Omegas on the 
road??
If this keeps up, we'll have to tell the Olds Police and have your nick name 
revoked. lol ;-)

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:36:29 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds on tv last night

In a message dated 04/30/1999 10:25:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:

<< There was a dumb
 kid in a '78or9 Cutlass trying to outrun the law. Is there some secret
 breeding ground for these morons? They should put up a fence around it.:)
 
 Omega Man >>

That's the problem, it's secret.  Must be the same place those 2 kids in Colo 
went to.  What a shame.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:41:00 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Carlisle(where was everyone?)

In a message dated 04/30/1999 11:56:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:

<< The weather is
 usually sunny and hot. Great for working on that burn/tan. Not to mention
 the bikinis come out.  >>

I'll be there, I'll be there.  I hate going to the beach, better to get a 
burn looking at cars and parts, and bikinis.  

Let's try to set up a meeting place again.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:54:32 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Coooool

>On a similar note; where is the 442 area code?
>
>Lansing?

Sorry, there isn't one. (Yes, I really did check.  :-)

- -- Andy


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:00:13 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Car Game

I saw this in Old Cars Weekly:

Concours d'Elegance, a collector automobile board game, allows players to 
experience the fun of competition while collecting and showing automobiles.  
Forty-nine four-color car cards, representing six classes of cars are the 
central feature of the game.

At the concours, trophies are awarded; the more trophies you earn the better 
chance of winning the game.

Players buy cars, restore them, and then show them for points.  Along the 
way, messages show up in "Urgent E-mails" cards - which can be good or bad 
news. 

Sound better than Monopoly.  There was no price listed, but the number to 
call is 800-757-2412.  I don't know if the family would enjoy it, but it 
might be good to bring to cars shows and play with some guys when you're just 
sitting around.

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:02:34 -0700 (PDT)
From: Stefan Gadecki <sgadecki@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Carlisle(where was everyone?)

Hey! I bought the same shirt!  Mine's a large too, but it fits me.

Stefan
1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
70Cutlass@Beer.com

<snip>
> A nice 442 T-shirt for $13.   It has a yellow 70 as the main car with
> a 67 
> and a 68 that are a little smaller.  Has the 67 442 emblem in the
> center and 
> the words  AMERICAN MUSCLE  on the bottom.
<snip>
_________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:04:30 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Price of Mustang

In a message dated 04/27/1999 3:32:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
Jim68442@aol.com writes:

<< Olds content:
 Selling 1965 Mustang so I can buy a house with a garage to keep my 442 under 
 cover. >>

A good place to list it on the web would be:

http://www.vintage-mustang.com/

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 13:04:53 -0500
From: "Greg" <zimmermangm@email.msn.com>
Subject: Re: Adjustable Vacuum Advance

I bought the Crane kit and installed it and the springs (orginal weights)
according to the instructions.  First you tune the car without the vacuum
advance hooked up.  It ran so much better than the Summit racing
weight/spring setup I was using!

I then hooked up the vacuum can and got severe knocking.  It runs so good
without the vacuum advance, that I'm having difficulties to find the time to
play around with it.

You can adjust both the rate and amount of vacuum advance.  Rate is the
allen screw inside the vacuum nipple, the amount is a small cam that you
mount in the distributor.

I'd recommend it.

- -greg

by the way, I ordered it from Summit Racing.

- -----Original Message-----
From: retrorockets <retrorockets@snet.net>
To: Olds Email List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thursday, April 29, 1999 8:07 PM
Subject: Adjustable Vacuum Advance


>Is anybody running an adjustable vacuum advance like the ones from Crane
>of Accel?  Seems like a good way to try to control pinging on the older
>high compression engines.
>
>Can you adjust the rate at which timing is advanced or just the vacuum
>point at which advance starts?
>
>I'm thinking of trying one of these.
>
>Dude
>

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:09:04 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Car show

At 01:32 PM 4/30/99 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 04/30/1999 7:58:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:
>
><< 
> I'll be there too. Scary cranberry red, black striped '70 Camaro. 355/TH350
> 
> Omega Man
> 
> '74 Omegas >>
>
>CAMARO????  What's going on.  When are you going to get those Omegas on the 
>road??
>If this keeps up, we'll have to tell the Olds Police and have your nick name 
>revoked. lol ;-)
>
>Lou Principe
>69 442 W-30


Hey, No Camaro cracks!:) 
The '70 Camaro daily driver sure beats the hell out of the '94 Cavalier I
used to drive. It's got twice as much power, get's decent gas milage, is
cool to drive and just a better looking car. 
The Omega S hatchback will be the Camaros replacement as daily driver by
mid summer. Hopefully in time for Carlisle. Then I got a whacked out
350/4-speed I saved from my Nova SS that'll go in the Camaro replacing the
355/auto. 

I'm still the Omega Man dangit! :-)>

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:15:10 PDT
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: REQ: 1991 Cutlass Help

>The engine spit up a code 43 last night, which according to
>the guys @ Autozone is a code for the knock sensor.  Since
>it was cheap dad & I replaced it, and still got the same
>code today.

In addition to what the others have said about the MAF sensor, you might 
want to check the connector on the knock sensor real closely. I had a long 
battle with an '89 Celebrity that kept generating knock sensor codes, and it 
turned out to be the connector which was crumbling away and intermittently 
breaking the connection. This was the same brittle design of connector as 
that on the temperature sensor, a kind of coax design where you're supposed 
to squeeze the collar to get two opposing jaws to release. In practice what 
happens is that you squeeze it and it cracks in half. :-)

- -- Andy


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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:22:19 -0400
From: Gene Gilpin <ggilpin@wrallp.com>
Subject: Re: Carlisle(where was everyone?)

At 01:41 PM 4/30/99 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 04/30/1999 11:56:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
>ggilpin@wrallp.com writes:
>
><< The weather is
> usually sunny and hot. Great for working on that burn/tan. Not to mention
> the bikinis come out.  >>
>
>I'll be there, I'll be there.  I hate going to the beach, better to get a 
>burn looking at cars and parts, and bikinis.  
>
>Let's try to set up a meeting place again.
>
>Lou Principe
>69 442 W-30
>


Yea, this time lets at least give some descriptions of ourselves so we know
who to look for. So we don't have a repeat of Spring Saturday on the stage.
Maybe we should all hold up signs that say Olds List Member :) 
Summer Carlisle is July 30-August 1. I'll be there along with the Mopar,
Truck and Fall meets. Here is the link for those interested in checking it
out.

http://www.carpro.com/summer.htm

Omega Man
'74 Omega S 455

ps. Olds sighting: 
I saw a beautiful '68 442 pass my house last weekend. Gold with black
vertical fender strip. Sounded Sweet!

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:48:25 EDT
From: LOUS69W30@aol.com
Subject: Re: Carlisle(where was everyone?)

In a message dated 04/30/1999 2:12:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
sgadecki@yahoo.com writes:

<< Hey! I bought the same shirt!  Mine's a large too, but it fits me.
 
 Stefan
 1970 Cutlass 'S' Holiday Coupe
 70Cutlass@Beer.com >>

Ok, don't rub it in.  It's just a little tight. :-)

Lou Principe
69 442 W-30

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 14:15:53 -0500
From: "Mike Bloomer" <mbloomer@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: 1953 Olds Info

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>Hey List!
> I have just found out about a 1953 Olds from a guy at work.
>Apparently the cars has been off the road since 1970.  It's been in a barn
>in the middle of the boonies here in Texas.  The guy tells me that the car
>is his Aunt's, and that she hasn't done anything with the car since her
>husband died some time ago.  The last year the car was on the road was
1970.
>Apparently it's in incredible shape; interior and exterior.
> I have only hear about the car so far, and have not seen it.  Can
>list members tell me what models were available that year (I'm only
familiar
>with the muscle car era), and the value of each model for that year?  The
>only information I have is that it's a 2 door.
>
>I told my dad about it last night and he got psyched to get it!!
>
>Also if anyone has a web page (or know of one) that would have a picture of
>a 53 model, let me know so I can show dad.  His memory is a little foggy
and
>would like to see a picture of one.
>
>With any luck we'll get dad back into the driver's seat of an Olds!!
>
>Thanks!
>
>Steve Reed
>Austin, TX

I don't remember where I got it but here's a pic of a 53 Olds Fiesta.  Don't
know much about the pre-64 cars myself but I would jump at this chance
to learn if I could. ;-)  If you can get your hands on a Std Catalog of Olds
it should have all the info you need.

Mike Bloomer
mbloomer@mindspring.com
ICQ# 19113713
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/


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