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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 21:40:54 -0300
Subject: Deluxe Seat Belt Option 

Well, all this talk about these darn seat belt clips has got me to thinking.
 I really don't like the black seat belt buckles I have in my '72 C/S conv.
with non-deluxe seat belts.  I'd really like a set of those shiny, chrome
plated deluxe belts.  Problem is, my interior is white (with black belts) and
not many people shelled out the extra money for the deluxe belts with this
interior.  All non-deluxe belts were black and had black buckles, the deluxe
belts came with the chrome buckles and were color keyed to the interior,
which in my case means the colors doesn't change, just the buckles.  Hardly
worth the extra $10 to $13 just to get chrome buckles when most people didn't
even use seat belts!  Would you have spent the extra money?  I thought not.
 Anyway, I was thinking of going to the boneyard and looking for a 98 or
Toronado with a black interior (deluxe belts with the chrome buckles were
standard on these).  Is there any reason I wouldn't be able to use 98 or Toro
belts in a Cutlass Supreme?

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 21:40:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[4]: Followup: Trunk Lamp and Strange Tabs on Back Seat 

In a message dated 96-08-29 23:12:35 EDT, you write:

<< The inner tabs are black, and there are 2 immediately 
      to the right of the hump, and one to the left of the hump. Maybe this 
      was part of a previous owner's screwball idea. >>

I've seen these before.  Saw them in a '71 Cutlass S Sports (post) Coupe.  If
I remember right, they were the interior color (Sienna).  I would have
removed them and put them in the interior of my conv., 'cept they didn't
match my white interior.  Was the same set up, two on one side, one on the
other, none on the armrest panels tho.  Must be factory.  

Is this guy the only one on the list that has these in his car?  There must
be some others with all the Cutlasses we have here.

Here's what the '71 Product Selling Feature book says regarding these clips:

Deluxe Seat Belts... "...Added features in the deluxe seat-belt package are
black stowage clips for seat lap belts not in use (see following
description).

Seat-Belt Stowage Clips -- These new clips mount on the lower front of seat
cushions.  When belts are not in use, they may be buckled to these clips.
 This eliminates the confusion of belts scattered all over the seats and the
hunt for the right buckle end or for belts that have been shoved down behind
the seat cushion.  Availability: Standard in 98, 98 Luxury and Toronado
models.  Included in Deluxe Seat Belts (AK1) or *available as an accessory*
for all other models.

No mention of these clips in made in the '72 Product Selling Features book.

I don't remember if you said your car was a '71 or '72.  I also don't
remember if you said these clips were only in the back seat, or the front
also.  Do you think it's possible that a previous owner replaced *some* of
the rear interior trim with parts from a '71 that would have had the optional
front shoulder belts?  That would explain the clips on the seat and the clips
on the armrest panels, but no shoulder belt anchors. 

I know you have said that these clips are too flimsy to hold the belt in
place, but they are only meant for storage.  I'm sure the only thing that
would hold the belt on the clip would be gravity.  Extra slack in the belt
(if any) would be taken up at the buckle, so the buckle should actually hang
over the front of the seat, just resting on the clip to keep it from flopping
around.  Have you tried this with the rear seat belts?  Remember you'll need
to run the buckle all the way to the end of the belt.  I would recommend
removing the clips on the armrest panels and going to the scrap yard to find
clips from a 98 for the front if you don't have them.  Does your car have the
Deluxe belt option (color keyed with *chrome* buckles?

Hope this helps

Paul
'72 C/S Conv. w/o seat belt clips

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From: zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 21:10:11 -0300
Subject: Won't start hot

Hello all,
I've got a question for you.  I'm having a problem with starting my car 
hot.  After driving it, if I cut it off, it will crank right up, no 
problem, up until 3 minutes or so after cutting it off.  At that point, 
it starts acting like its flooding out.  I have to just put the gas on 
down to the floor and it will crank up after a few seconds of grinding.  
If I wait several hours, it will crank right up.  Here's my setup.  '74 
Delta 88 350 4V everything is stock and only has 65,000 on it.  This low 
mileage makes me doubt that the carb. is due for a rebuild but I guess 
that it could be.  Any suggestions?  

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From: JJF97@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 19:00:17 -0300
Subject: Resto  Corner  .....

hi, i'm back on....
i am sorry to see that there isn't many "distinct tips" on the olds web here,
so remember, the contest is still on... keep 'em coming!

Oh, also in this "Resto Tips" book, i would like to put in some references
of olds clubs, resources, reference guys, as addresses for all of you to be 
able to refer to (if you should ever need it).  So if you are proud to be a
member of the different car clubs or other potential resources, please send
either an e-mail address AND / OR a mailing address (and / or a phone #)
so people may get help beyond the resto tips here for restoration purposes.

Well with all that said and done... i'll be right back

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 22:22:11 -0300
Subject: '77 Delta Pace Car 

I have been presented the opportunity to purchase a '77 Delta 88 Royale coupe
with the Pace Car Replica option.  The asking price, which sounds firm, in
$500.  The last time I saw this car was about 1 1/2 years ago.  At that time
the car needed paint, decals and interior work.  I think one of the rear tail
lamps and 1/4 extentions were smashed, but no damage into the 1/4 panel.
 Wasn't running and needed a transmission.  Another transmission has been
installed and the car is running, but not inspected.  I don't remember the
mileage or whether or not there's any rust on the car.  Don't think there was
any body damage other than the 1/4 extention.  I don't really feel like
buying another car that need restoration, and this one need a lot of work.  I
have no storage space for another car (have one out in the weather already).
 And I don't know that I could turn a profit if I needed to sell it.  But I
feel like I can't let this car get away.  There were none at Atlanta that I
can remember, and you don't see them advertised that often.  Looking for your
opinions (or a party that is interested in one of these as a project)

Paul & the Pace Car

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From: Todd Hall <thall@en.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 22:46:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Mail List Link 

At 02:32 PM 8/30/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Was it Todd Hall who suggested a more prominent link to the Olds Mail List
>Sign-up? I agree, it should have a higher billing...  and it does now.
>Check it out.
>BTW no more YellinG at Bryceman. I am more responsive to lower case requests.
>

 Uh, nope. Wasn't me....but still a good idea!

BTW Bryce, if you wan't a copy of the HTML FAQ for the Old's page I'll send
it to you.
Or you can just link to my page http://www.en.com/users/thall/oldsfaq2.htm
I'll convert the new FAQ as soon as Dave is done with it.



J. Todd Hall
Cleveland, OH
1972 4-4-2

"If you ever drop your keys into a river of flowing lava, let 'em go,
cause man...there gone"
				

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From: spud@kudonet.com (Spud)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:08:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile ID Book 

>I Finally got my "Catalog of Oldsmobile 4-4-2, W-Machines & Hurst/Olds ID
>Numbers 1964-1991" book after ordering it 6 months ago.  Not a bad book at
>all for just $20.  The color pictures of paint codes and trim codes for all
>the years are really nice.
>Nick DiGiovanni

Bummer it doesn't cover Deltas.  I just copied the numbers off the data
plate tonight.  Now I need the cipher.



Spud     "Fart proudly."
'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
'73 Delta 88
'79 LeBaron

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From: spud@kudonet.com (Spud)
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:08:56 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Emblem Resto 

>For those with a less steady hand, you can buy plastic sheets at any art 
>supply houses called "brisket".  It's kind of a cross between clear 
>plastic and a post-it pad.  Lay it over the area you want to paint then 
>you can trim around the area with and exacto knife creating a mask.  
>After painting the brisket pulls right off.
>
>-- 
>Michael R. Frederick

In air brushing, there is a similar thing called a "frisket."  Is this what
you meant?  Although, friskets that I've known of don't have an adhesive
back, but that doesn't mean they can't.  (I had two girlfriends that were
artists).



Spud     "Fart proudly."
'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
'73 Delta 88
'79 LeBaron

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From: Todd Hall <thall@en.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:17:56 -0300
Subject: New Toro?? 

Hey Toro Guys! I'm lookin through the paper today and I see an ad for a '66
Toro, runs well, minor work needed, first $1800! I called this guy and it
turns out he's got two of them and just doesn't have the ambition to restore
both.
It's a Deluxe with 84k miles, black with one plum fender (yikes), new
floorpan and carpet, reupholstered seats, some minor rust spots behind the
wheel and in the trunk. Wadda ya think? 
Are there some trouble spots on the Toro I should look for when I check it out?
 
I'm going to look at it tommorrow or Sunday, prolly be sittin in my driveway
next week. ;)

Todd Hall    ??Coming Soon??
'72 4-4-2    '66 Toro (no Mike)
 


 

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 02:21:33 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Emblem Resto

Spud wrote:
> 
> In air brushing, there is a similar thing called a "frisket."  Is this 
> what you meant?  

Yup.  Sorry.  Brain fade, finger trouble, general protection fault...  
Shoulda been a "F".  
And yeah, it can be found with an adhesive backing.  
And double yeah, airbrushing is where I used it.

> (I had two girlfriends that were artists).

At the same time?  :o

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 02:32:14 -0300
Subject: Re: New Toro??

Todd Hall wrote:
> 
> Hey Toro Guys! I'm lookin through the paper today and I see an ad for a 
> '66 Toro, runs well, minor work needed, first $1800! 

Cool!  OK, everybody!  Toro!  Toro!  Toro!

> Are there some trouble spots on the Toro I should look for when I check 
> it out?

THE TWO BIGGIES:

Check the CV boots.  If they're ripped, it might mean the joints are dry 
and could be worn.  Clicking when turning is the sign of worn CV joints. 
Fixable but not cheap.

Check the trunk and wheel well area around the suspension and shock 
mounts for serious rust.  "Springs through the trunk" strikes great fear 
into the hearts of Toro-heads everywhere.

BTW, if the brakes suck, don't worry about it.  That's a standard feature 
on all Toronados.

Sparky's out of town but I'll be around all weekend if you need anything.

> Todd Hall    ??Coming Soon??
> '72 4-4-2    '66 Toro (no Mike)                         ^^^^^^^
                       Just as well

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Blair Rendell <brendell@pi.pro.ec>
Date: Fri, 30 Aug 1996 23:39:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Won't start hot 

At 09:10 PM 8/30/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>I've got a question for you.  I'm having a problem with starting my car 
>hot.  After driving it, if I cut it off, it will crank right up, no 
>problem, up until 3 minutes or so after cutting it off.  At that point, 
>it starts acting like its flooding out.  I have to just put the gas on 
>down to the floor and it will crank up after a few seconds of grinding.  
>If I wait several hours, it will crank right up.  Here's my setup.  '74 
>Delta 88 350 4V everything is stock and only has 65,000 on it.  This low 
>mileage makes me doubt that the carb. is due for a rebuild but I guess 
>that it could be.  Any suggestions?  
>
>HI!
  Had the same problem with other big block engines and what cured it was
running a heavier guage starter wire  from the Positive side battery to the
starter.. More amps and better cranking. There is also a solenoid shield
available from Year 1 and it will prevent the excessive exhaust manifold
heat from heatsoaking the starter/solenoid. But do this after reviewing the
condition of your battery cables and connections.The first thing I would go
for is the heavier cable. Make sure your battery is up to par as well. Hope
this helps! Blair....1971 442 W-30 Convertible 
>

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:11:01 -0300
Subject: More G-body Tach trouble 

Well I used everyones suggestions on how to fix my very erratic tach on my
80 442 with no luck. I removed the cluster and used a non-coated sheet metal
screw to make sure the little metal clip was firmly up against the 8 cyl
markers. When the car idles it reads 5,000 and a little push of the gas
buries it. I have been told that the chip? inside is defective and I need
the tach replaced.  This is getting very frustrating. 
__________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1988 IROC Z/28...............salvage yard special
1980  4-4-2 W-30.............1 of  886       OCA#027572
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25...1 of 2535  H/OCA#0278A
Just what the doctor ordered....those awesome W-Machines.

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:11:07 -0300
Subject: car show adventures 

Well I took the 80 442 to the Northern Ohio OCA show and meet some list
members. I met Dan Gulino, Linda Zuccaro, Jeff Stanish and seen Paul
Hartlieb but did not meet him. I got some interesting questions about my 80
442. First of all when I registered the car I had a hard time convincing the
woman taking entries that it was not a 79 H/O. After all this she still
entered my car in the H/O class. Comes to me gettng out my 442 fact book and
showing her that 80 442's were made. Then I get an unusual question,
especially at an all Olds meet. This guy asks me..."why did they put the
type of oil the car takes on the fender (I have W-30 stickers on the front
fenders). I just had to laugh... Then I hear some guy telling his wife as he
is looking at my car, "yea the W-30 means it has the Windsor engine" Guess I
have a Ford 442? Then I get a "know it all" tell me that my car has a 260 in
it, he can just tell. Well every last number I have run through interchange
manuals, etc. off the car checks back to a 1980 350. I get out that list and
he acted as if I killed his best friend, he shuts up and takes his knowledge
elsewhere. Overall a very fun day though. Mine was the only 80 442 there,
many Olds people never knew the car existed. Kinda neat to have such a
unique car.
__________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1988 IROC Z/28...............salvage yard special
1980  4-4-2 W-30.............1 of  886       OCA#027572
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25...1 of 2535  H/OCA#0278A
Just what the doctor ordered....those awesome W-Machines.

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:11:04 -0300
Subject: 78-87 Guage Cluster circuit board 

On the rear of my guage cluster is that flat circuit board with fine strips
of copper in plastic that run the guages. Well the little strips that
connect the oil guage to function are broken and the guage occasionally
works and most  times does not. Actually I start with normal oil pressure
when the car starts then after I drive it it acts strange. At idle it reads
2-3 psi and under acceleration it reads 20-30 psi. Could the sending unit be
bad also. Ihave driven the car 238 miles like this, no problems and it
passed an emissions test last weekend so I doubt my oil pump is broke or I
would have burnt it up by now. Temp, Volt and Gas read fine. Thanks...
__________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1988 IROC Z/28...............salvage yard special
1980  4-4-2 W-30.............1 of  886       OCA#027572
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25...1 of 2535  H/OCA#0278A
Just what the doctor ordered....those awesome W-Machines.

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From: Todd Hall <thall@en.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:14:15 -0300
Subject: Re: New Toro?? 

ooops, forgot

Toro! Toro! Toro! ;)

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From: Todd Hall <thall@en.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:13:22 -0300
Subject: Re: New Toro?? 

>THE TWO BIGGIES:
>
>Check the CV boots.  If they're ripped, it might mean the joints are dry 
>and could be worn.  Clicking when turning is the sign of worn CV joints. 
>Fixable but not cheap.

must be getting late.....CV joints?? 

>Check the trunk and wheel well area around the suspension and shock 
>mounts for serious rust.  "Springs through the trunk" strikes great fear 
>into the hearts of Toro-heads everywhere.

Hmmm, he mentioned a "little" rust in the trunk, I'll have to take a close
look at that.

>
>BTW, if the brakes suck, don't worry about it.  That's a standard feature 
>on all Toronados.

He also told me that both his Toro's take about 3 cranks to start, another
standard feature?

>
>Sparky's out of town but I'll be around all weekend if you need anything.
>

Thanks

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:14:42 -0300
Subject: Bill - The Tool Man - Sawrey 

Some referred to this ad in JWO:

Tools, tools, tools for B-body, E-body, J-body, Every-body!!!  Just like the
kind in your service manual.  Double-stamp SASE with year and model for
listing.  Bill Sawrey, 1451 Monger Rd., Rockwood, TN  37854.

I don't think his tools are from Kent-Moore direct.  He goes and buys them
from old dealers and at auction and stuff.  I bought a NOS Autronic Eye for
my '52 98 from him a few years ago and the price wasn't too bad.  Doesn't
hurt to ask him what he's got.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:35:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile ID Book 

In a message dated 96-08-30 22:12:48 EDT, you write:

<< Bummer it doesn't cover Deltas.  I just copied the numbers off the data
 plate tonight.  Now I need the cipher. >>

Post'em here.  We'll figger 'em out.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:35:35 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Emblem Resto 

In a message dated 96-08-30 22:29:23 EDT, you write:

<< Yup.  Sorry.  Brain fade, finger trouble, general protection fault...  
 Shoulda been a "F".  >>

Did you hire my proof-reader???

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:35:33 -0300
Subject: Re: New Toro?? 

In a message dated 96-08-30 22:22:29 EDT, you write:

<< black with one plum fender (yikes), >>

This can't be as bad as the '67 I saw at the Northern Ohio Chapter show last
weekend -- Bimini Blue w/plum interior.  YUK!

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 00:35:35 -0300
Subject: Re: car show adventures 

In a message dated 96-08-30 23:11:14 EDT, you write:

<< and seen Paul
 Hartlieb but did not meet him. >>

Sorry I missed you.  When I went over to your car you weren't there.  Nice
car.  Good deal!  There was a red '57 coupe parked across the row from my car
(the people I traveled with) and I spent all day at their car (under the
umbrella).  Got the long distance award (after they took it away from
somebody else - some kind of mix up - feel kind of bad about it) for driving
359 miles.  Got home Sunday @ 11:30 pm.  Was a nice show, but I don't I'll be
going again - too much driving!  Really liked the swap meet.  Bought a backup
lite assy. for my '72 C/S for $2 and got a '67 shop manual for $45 - that's
the most reasonable price I've seen yet, usually $60 - $75.  Good news!
 We've had a fender shipped in from Montana (even has a cornering lite hole!)
so the dent that you saw in my '67 98 will be gone soon!  Where was Dan?  I
forgot what he was driving.

Paul

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From: OLDSPWR@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 01:38:11 -0300
Subject: More on Tach... 

I originally supplied the info how to fix the tach's on late model G-bodies.
 I would have replied sooner, but I just got back from my honeymoon this
evening.  I am stilll sorting though what seems to be a million pieces of
mail.  Mike F. supplied the info on soldering.  Once again, the info in the
FAQ is invaluable....

Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com

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From: OLDSPWR@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 01:38:37 -0300
Subject: TH-2004R Parts needed.... 

As a few of you know, I have recently had some problems with the 200-4R
tranny in my 79 Olds thats behind a 403.  I am really having some problems
chasing the what's wrong, but I have gotten some good input. 

Here's what I need:
I am looking for parts from an 83/84 Hurst, 85-87 442, 85 and up Monte SS, or
84 and up T-Type or Grand National TH-2004R trans.  I am looking for a valve
body, and will possibly consider a complete trans, preferable just a
rebuidable core.  But it must be from the vehicles mentioned before.  THIS IS
VERY IMPORTANT!  I will have the exact codes for these trans's in a day or
two.  Once I figure out the problem, I will completely describe why am
looking for one of these trans.  Hopefully this info will help anybody who
wants to put a overdrive in there Olds...


Thanks,
Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com

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From: Robert Whitaker <whitaker.rob@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 01:44:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile ID Book

Where did you get the book?  Can you post the address, etc?

Robert Whitaker
69 H/O 455

>>I Finally got my "Catalog of Oldsmobile 4-4-2, W-Machines & Hurst/Olds ID
>>Numbers 1964-1991" book after ordering it 6 months ago.  Not a bad book at
>>all for just $20.  The color pictures of paint codes and trim codes for all
>>the years are really nice.
>>Nick DiGiovanni

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From: David1756@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 01:44:40 -0300
Subject: Re: '77 Delta Pace Car 

I think for this particular car and model you should not bother with the
restoration.  If you want one, find the best and pay the price, it's just not
that rare, old or unusual enough (yet, wait another 20 years and it will be a
different story).  These were pretty cool cars in comparison to the rest of
the boring Olds line of 1977, in the same way that the Pontiac Can Am is
almost the only interesting Pontiac of 1977, but 1977 was not exactly a
stellar year for GM.  My .02 worth.

David Wilk
formerly 68 and 69 Toro
formerly 69 442 and many others
currently in need of an Olds for daily use..... 

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From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@direct.ca>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 02:52:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile ID Book 

At 01:44 AM 8/31/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Where did you get the book?  Can you post the address, etc?
>
>Robert Whitaker
>69 H/O 455

I ordered it thru Classic Motorbooks (1-800-826-6600).  They had it in their
catalogue about 6 months ago and I ordered it then but they told me that it
was still not being published yet.  So about a month ago I ordered it again
and this time it did arrive.  Just remember how the old saying goes, "If at
first you don't succeed, try and reorder again through a different
receptionist"... or something to that effect ;')



 
Nick DiGiovanni
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
1970 4-4-2 - "Snarls Softly and Carries a Big Kick"

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 05:25:14 -0300
Subject: Re: '70 SX Convertible Stats 

I am woefully short of any further info on these rare SX's - but Mike has
thoroughly researched the car & would probably gladly know.  I'll be seeing
him at our Sept. 15 Seguin Memorial Car Show picnic and can ask then.  With
such low production numbers, I'll pay more attention when I see them
referenced in the future, I didnt know they were THAT uncommon.
Sincerely


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/lisa.htm


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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 09:38:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Won't start hot

On Fri, 30 Aug 1996 zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu wrote:
> I've got a question for you.  I'm having a problem with starting my car 
> hot.  After driving it, if I cut it off, it will crank right up, no 
> problem, up until 3 minutes or so after cutting it off.  At that point, 
> it starts acting like its flooding out.  I have to just put the gas on 
> down to the floor and it will crank up after a few seconds of grinding.  
> If I wait several hours, it will crank right up.  Here's my setup.  '74 
> Delta 88 350 4V everything is stock and only has 65,000 on it.  This low 
> mileage makes me doubt that the carb. is due for a rebuild but I guess 
> that it could be.  Any suggestions?  

This sounds exactly like my Cutlass. When it had the 2-barrel it would do 
this from time to time and I always suspected a float problem that was 
making it flood. Chango-presto, I convert to a 4-barrel and it does it 
*all* the time. :(  I suspect the well plugs in the fuel bowl are leaking 
and causing raw gas to dump into the cylinders after the car has sat for 
a while. I still haven't got that fixed but need to do it soon. Anyway, 
it sounds like it is a flooding condition and is probably carb-related. 
If you have carbon buildup in the engine or a questionable ignition 
component somewhere, that may be aggravating the problem. 

BTW, for those that have done the well plug fix with JB Weld, how long 
should I leave the carb off to let the stuff cure? Or is there something 
other than JB Weld I should use? I recall mention of a marine epoxy a 
while back but don't remember the name. If I don't hear anything to the 
contrary I guess I'll go with the JB Weld.  

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:27:22 -0300
Subject: Re: 78-87 Guage Cluster circuit board

Jason P. Labay wrote:
> 
> Well the little strips that connect the oil guage to function are 
> broken and the guage occasionally works and most times does not. 

Easily repaired by soldering a jumper wire across the break.

> Could the sending unit be bad also. 

Sure, it's *possible*.  But since you've already said you've got a wiring 
problem on the gauge, I'd certainly fix that before I jump to any other 
concusions.  Garbage in, garbage out, you know.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:34:40 -0300
Subject: Re: New Toro??

Todd Hall wrote:
> 
> ooops, forgot
> 
> Toro! Toro! Toro! ;)

Aye!  That's the spirit!

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:30:18 -0300
Subject: Re: More G-body Tach trouble

Jason P. Labay wrote:

> I have been told that the chip? inside is defective and I need
> the tach replaced.  

Sounds like it.  If all other possibilities have been eliminated, that 
leave only the guts of the tach.   :(

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:34:05 -0300
Subject: Re: New Toro??

Todd Hall wrote:
> 
> must be getting late.....CV joints??

It's front wheel drive you know.  It's got CV joints up there.
 
> Hmmm, he mentioned a "little" rust in the trunk, I'll have to take a 
> close look at that.

We're talking structural problems here. Surface rust, sheet metal no 
more important than in another other car.

> He also told me that both his Toro's take about 3 cranks to start, 
> another standard feature?

No but it is a standard feature of a neglected Qjet.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 12:50:30 -0300
Subject: wheel covers

Question to anyone who may know.... I would like to know what kind of wheel
covers (re. hubcaps) were original on a '68 Cutlass S convertable?I have chrome
covers with a circle of color (tan) about 1 inch wide around the edge and
the Olds S in the middle. These are not the hottest looking covers,but if they
are original,then I will keep them. Also,any idea where I find pictures of
my style car when it was new? Thanks for your help.Pretty neat mail forum!!

Brad -'68 Cutlass S Convertable

bradbaker@worldnet.att.net 

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 12:56:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile ID Book

At 02:08 08/31/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>>I Finally got my "Catalog of Oldsmobile 4-4-2, W-Machines & Hurst/Olds ID
>>Numbers 1964-1991" book after ordering it 6 months ago.  Not a bad book at
>>all for just $20.  The color pictures of paint codes and trim codes for all
>>the years are really nice.
>>Nick DiGiovanni
>
>Bummer it doesn't cover Deltas.  I just copied the numbers off the data
>plate tonight.  Now I need the cipher.
>
>
>
>Spud     "Fart proudly."
>'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
>'73 Delta 88
>'79 LeBaron
>
>
Does that catalog cover Cutlass S as well as 4-4-2's? I would like to see a
picture of my '68 Cutlass S if I could find one. Thanks...

Brad '68 Cutlass S Ragtop

bradbaker@worldnet.att.net
>

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:15:45 -0300
Subject: Re: wheel covers

Brad,

Sorry, don't know squat about your wheel covers but if you haven't been 
there yet, you might want to take a look at the http://www.442.com/ 
Owners Registry for pictures.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 13:54:09 -0300
Subject: Re: wheel covers

At 19:15 08/31/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>Brad,
>
>Sorry, don't know squat about your wheel covers but if you haven't been 
>there yet, you might want to take a look at the http://www.442.com/ 
>Owners Registry for pictures.
>
>The 66 Toro and Mike
>
>
>-- 
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
>
>

Mike,
Thanks for the web address.I dont know if it is proper protocol to say thanks
in this forum,but I will anyway :) !!

Brad-'68 Cutlass S Ragtop
The Best Looking Grill of them All!!!

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 06:19:08 -0300
Subject: Re: '77 Delta Pace Car

At 10:22 PM 8/30/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I have been presented the opportunity to purchase a '77 Delta 88 Royale coupe
>with the Pace Car Replica option.  The asking price, which sounds firm, in
>$500.  Looking for your
>opinions 
>Paul & the Pace Car

I have an aquaintance in town who owns one of those.  In fact, he bought it
new in '77.  Pretty good looking car.  His is in pretty decent shape, been
painted once.  Thought of offering him some money for it once, and I
probably wouldn't have gone over $1000.  For the condition of the one you're
looking at (based on your limited description), $500 sounds fair to me.  But
have it checked first!
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 06:34:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Overfill Bottle

At 07:41 PM 8/30/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I have a '68 Cutlass S Convertable that I just bought used. Am I
>going to need an overflow recovery system for it to pass inspection?{among
>other things...} Thanks..
>Brad

Down here in Florida, we don't have inspections (well, a few counties do),
but I don't think you have to add anything to the car that wasn't there at
the time of manufacture, like catalytic convertors, overflow bottles, etc.
It's only gotta be on the car to pass inspection if it was put on the car at
the factory.  Your '68 didn't have an overflow bottle (or catalytic
convertors, either!).  You shouldn't have to add one to pass inspection.  

As always, the above is subject to correction!
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 17:16:55 -0300
Subject: Re: wheel covers

Brad Baker wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> Thanks for the web address.I dont know if it is proper protocol to say 
> thanks in this forum,but I will anyway :) !!

It's allowed.  ...as long as it's an Oldsmobile-related "thanks"   ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Dave Isho <davei-2@mail.idt.net>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 14:39:41 -0300
Subject: Aluminum intake cleaning 

Does anyone have any suggestions as to cleaning an aluminum intake?

 >Dave Isho --- davei-2@mail.idt.net
     >67 Cutlass CS Convertible
     

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:39:12 -0300
Subject: Re: wheel covers 

In a message dated 96-08-31 11:55:36 EDT, you write:

<< I have chrome
 covers with a circle of color (tan) about 1 inch wide around the edge and
 the Olds S in the middle. These are not the hottest looking covers,but if
they
 are original,then I will keep them. >>

These sound like they're from a '78 or '79.  In '68 they had 3 wheel disc
options on the '68 Cutlass S models.  PO1 Wheel Discs are the discs that were
standard on 88s and 98s.  Many '68 88s will have these on them.  PO2 Deluxe
Wheel Discs were the optional discs on the 88s and 98s.  Many '68 98 will
have these.  PA1 Special Wheel Discs were optional only on Cutlass S coupes &
convertibles and 442 models. These discs are rarely seen and remind me of the
wheel discs that were worm by Mavericks of the early '70s (Oldses were better
looking).   Also available were N95 Simulated Wire Wheels (Discs). These were
optional on everything except 98s and Toronados.  Then there was always the
PO5 Super Stock Wheel option...

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 15:39:04 -0300
Subject: Re: More on Tach... 

In a message dated 96-08-31 00:42:50 EDT, you write:

<< but I just got back from my honeymoon this
 evening.  I am stilll sorting though what seems to be a million pieces of
 mail. >>

Bet the new Mrs. is real happy about this!

Paul

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:25:29 -0300
Subject: Re: More on Tach...

I got all that info and none of it  solved my problem. Guess you can say I
have been there, done that. Now I am stuck.....

At 01:38 AM 8/31/96 -0300, OLDSPWR@aol.com wrote:
>I originally supplied the info how to fix the tach's on late model G-bodies.
> I would have replied sooner, but I just got back from my honeymoon this
>evening.  I am stilll sorting though what seems to be a million pieces of
>mail.  Mike F. supplied the info on soldering.  Once again, the info in the
>FAQ is invaluable....
__________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1988 IROC Z/28...............salvage yard special
1980  4-4-2 W-30.............1 of  886       OCA#027572
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25...1 of 2535  H/OCA#0278A
Just what the doctor ordered....those awesome W-Machines.

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:27:53 -0300
Subject: Re: '77 Delta Pace Car

I can remember that in the past 5 years we have sent at least two 77 Delta
pace cars to the car shredder  One was in decent shape and I remember seeing
something about it being a pace car but thought it wasn't real......you
learn from your mistakes!!!

At 01:44 AM 8/31/96 -0300, David1756@aol.com wrote:
>I think for this particular car and model you should not bother with the
>restoration.  If you want one, find the best and pay the price, it's just not
>that rare, old or unusual enough (yet, wait another 20 years and it will be a
>different story).  These were pretty cool cars in comparison to the rest of
>the boring Olds line of 1977, in the same way that the Pontiac Can Am is
__________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1988 IROC Z/28...............salvage yard special
1980  4-4-2 W-30.............1 of  886       OCA#027572
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25...1 of 2535  H/OCA#0278A
Just what the doctor ordered....those awesome W-Machines.

------------------------------

From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 16:32:45 -0300
Subject: 71 Delta find 

Well I go to my dad's yard this morning and find out he towed in a 71 Delta
88. This car is in super shape except for the fact that it has a 16 switch
hydraulic kit on it. It also has a 4bbl 455 with G heads, runs strong. There
I go, pull into next years OCA nationals with a 71 Delta 88 hopping up and
down and turning on 3 wheels.........
Also got me a winter ride today so I can park the 442 soon. I am getting a
74 Buick Riveria with a Stage I 455. Not a bad boat to drive in the winter. 
__________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1988 IROC Z/28...............salvage yard special
1980  4-4-2 W-30.............1 of  886       OCA#027572
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25...1 of 2535  H/OCA#0278A
Just what the doctor ordered....those awesome W-Machines.

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From: DELPROPO@EMUVAX.EMICH.EDU
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 18:41:14 -0300
Subject: 78 Delta 88 Royal

I knew of a 78 Royal 88 holiday that was painted like the pace car, but was in
sliver and dark silver with a silver soft top. It had bucket seats, center
consol and it was in red vinyl. Does anyone know if this car was limited. It
was bought of the show floor from a dealer by my grandfather so it was a
production car. It also had the rally wheels....

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From: jblair@exis.net (John T. Blair)
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 18:49:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Aluminum intake cleaning 

At 02:39 PM 8/31/96 -0300, oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca wrote:
>Does anyone have any suggestions as to cleaning an aluminum intake?
>

There's a nice article (on a foreign car web site).  Try checking out
the article on Scions of Lucas Tech. page at:
     http://www.team.net/sol/tech/

under the subheading:
    Tuning, Restoration, and other How-To's

The article is called:
    Cleaning Aluminium 


John
John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@exis.net
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
     75 Bricklin SV1   77 Spitfire

The one with the most toys, wins!

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 19:51:17 -0300
Subject: Re: wheel covers

On Sat, 31 Aug 1996 PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:
> In '68 they had 3 wheel disc
> options on the '68 Cutlass S models.  PO1 Wheel Discs are the discs that were
> standard on 88s and 98s.  Many '68 88s will have these on them.  

It seems like 90% of the Cutlasses that don't have SSII wheels have these
discs.  They have a flat center section with the words "oldsmobile"
spelled out in black block letters around the circumference and a black
stripe at the edge of the flat section. 

Excellent info, Paul, you get an "A"!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 1996 19:55:36 -0300
Subject: Re: wheel covers

Brad,

Pics of a '68 Cutlass S are not too hard to find. There were several 
pictured in ads of the period. I'd suggest haunting yard sales and flea 
markets looking for old magazines of that time, particularly car 
magazines and lifestyle mags like Life, True, Argosy, etc. 

Also most car swap meets have literature vendors who sell original sales 
catalogs for not a huge amount of money. I have one for my '68 and it's 
neat. Finally, if you can't find one at a swap meet there's always the 
literature vendors who advertise in Hemmings Motor News.

Good car!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Sep 1996 13:47:27 -0300
Subject: Re: '77 Delta Pace Car

At 04:27 PM 8/31/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I can remember that in the past 5 years we have sent at least two 77 Delta
>pace cars to the car shredder  One was in decent shape and I remember seeing
>something about it being a pace car but thought it wasn't real......you
>learn from your mistakes!!!
>
Olds only made a few that were actual pace cars, but they made many which
were replicas of the pace car.  Those are most likely what you sent to the
shredder.
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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