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oldsmobile-digest          Friday, 9 August 1996       Volume 01 : Number 261


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From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:23:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Movie -Reply

I've been wanting to ask this for quite some time, but didn't think anyone
would care.  But since 'Olds in Movies' seems to be the hot topic today
(oops!), I guess i'll ask anyway so I don't have to bring this up again...

Anyone (everyone) seen "Milk Money"?  There's an awful nice 71-72(?)
Cutlass convertible in there.  Blue metallic w/white hood stripes, white
top (or maybe it was black).  Ooh baby!  I'd *love* to have that car!

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 17:22:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Movie -Reply 

>Anyone (everyone) seen "Milk Money"?  There's an awful nice 71-72(?)
>Cutlass convertible in there.  Blue metallic w/white hood stripes, white
>top (or maybe it was black).  Ooh baby!  I'd *love* to have that car!

You could always run an ad in a Cincinnati newspaper to hunt for it.
I was there on business back when they were filming that movie and
I think they basically filmed the whole thing there, so they probably
wouldn't bother to ship a Cutlass all the way there if they could buy
or rent one locally...

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:32:52 -0300
Subject: RE: Ignition system Q's

They are the very same

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From: 	Blaine Sanders 5483[SMTP:BLAINES@strata3d.com]
Sent: 	Thursday, August 08, 1996 2:11 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Ignition system Q's

Do Olds SB & BB use the same distibutor?  If I switch to electronic
ignition on my 350, can I swap that over to my 455 when I decide to
convert?  Or will I have to buy a whole new distributor for the 455? 
Thanks.

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 21:40:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Hey Toro-heads! -Reply

Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:
> 
> Geeze, guys... I didn't mean to offend anyone.  

You didn't.  I thonk it was Andrew Chitty-Chitty Green.

> The point I was trying to make is that I actually love Toro's!  

And a very good point it is too, Blaine.

> It's just that I didn't know *that* was a Toro.  
> All I knew was that it was a bad-a** Oldsmobile.

I believe it was Albert Einstein who proved that with his famous equation 
Toro = Bad-A** Olds times the speed of light squared.

> That's why I think you guys should put the pictures in the Registry.

Yeah, your right, we should get busy.

> There's no denying the fact that Toro's are beautiful, unique autos.

Geez, can't argue with that!

> I think everyone should have the opportunity of viewing and lusting 
> over them.

And owning!   :)

> I *still* can't believe they are front wheel drive...

Believe it.

Now, which one was Markie Post in again?

 
The 66 Toro and Mike

- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:46:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Movie -Reply

At 06:23 PM 8/8/96 -0300, you wrote:

>Anyone (everyone) seen "Milk Money"? 

Yes

>There's an awful nice 71-72(?)
>Cutlass convertible in there.  Blue metallic w/white hood stripes, white
>top (or maybe it was black).  Ooh baby!  I'd *love* to have that car!

Beautiful car, yes indeed.  1972.  Too bad they blew it up it (well, ok,
burned it to the ground). What is it with Hollywood and the destruction of
old/classic automobiles (Chubbies included)?  There are quite a few movies
with older cars that just get destroyed.  Seems to be a familiar trend.
When I see a classic car in the commercials for a new film or in the first
parts of a movie, I just assume they will demolish it by the end of the
movie.  "White Men Can't Jump" had a nice '67 Cutlass in it they DIDN'T
destory, surprise, surprise.  Haven't seen "Kingpin" yet, but I am expecting
to see that Cutlass (even though it's not very pretty to begin with)
destroyed.  It just disgusts me!  Just my 2 cents...
 
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:59:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Mufflers for 69 442 ?

I have no experience with flowtech, but with Flowmaster. I have a 3 chamber
on my 88 Z/28 and it make my 305 sound like a healthy 406 . I have been told
that the 2 chamber muffler is alotlouder than the 3 chamber and invites
cops? I have heard 2 chamber mufflers on Mustang GT's and they really sound
meaner than the 3 chamber, but the noise difference is noticable when you
give it gas. I will probably put 2 chamber Flowmasters or Borla's on my 75
H/O. Borla's sound better than Flowmaster in my opinionA
>
>Which muffler do you prefer on a d. near stock 400 69 442. I had my mind
>made up on 2 chamber Flowmasters.  However I got a good sales pitch on
>some Flowtech Terminators.  The Flowtechs are cheaper, but not enough
>cheaper to really matter.  Do any of you have experience with Flowtech?

Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1988 Camaro IROC-Z/28...the rebuilt salvage car.... 
(an 82 Z/28 in the body of an 88 IROC with 92 Z/28 ground effects)
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25....H/OCA #0278A

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From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:12:54 -0300
Subject: Ignition Q's: Part 2

It seems to be the general concesus that SB's and BB's use the same
distributor.  That being the case, I won't wait till I rebuild the 455 to get
electronic ignition.  So, the next question is this:

How well does a stock HEI distributor from a late 70's/80's Olds perform
over the 60's-70's points ignition?  It should be reletively easy and cheap
to find a used HEI distributor.  But should I go with and aftermarket EI
system from, say, Mallory or Accell?  Or does the GM HEI system
perform well enough?

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

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From: <tc75918@hpr169.mdhc.mdc.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:06:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Hey Toro-heads!

> 
> I know the movie. It WASN"T a Toro either. The movie was called "The Car".
> circa 1970. The featured car was a 1970 (or so) Lincoln Continental that was
> wiped  along with other minor customization. It was black with blacked out
> windows. It terrorized the community as it chased people and ran them over.
> Supposidly, it had no driver. The car had its own 'entity' ala "Christine".
>  I forget how, but I believe it met its demise somehow. It probably head


I believe they set a trap for it where they wired the face of a cliff
with dynamite, then set somebody up for bait.  Lured the car to drive 
off the cliff, the fired the dynamite and buried it.  May have been an
old rock quarry or something.

- --Dan

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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:22:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Is everyone at Nats? 

>In a message dated 96-08-08 12:25:24 EDT, lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey) writes:
>
>>>>Everybody on AOL gets a free day today. That should get the list hopping!
>
>Dan,
>
>I'm trying to confirm that statement. So far, all we are getting is a
>pro-rated credit for one days use. If it is a free day, they are keeping it
>quiet. If I can verify, you can bet I will log on and not log off until
>midnight, regardless if I am using the system or not.
>
>Revenge is a dish better served cold!
>
>Sparky

SORRY!

I recant.....

It was a pro-rated credit...

I should know better about these urban myths...

But don't you just love the "Whooops! **** Happens!" attitude?

I read on this list earlier a post by someone who hit the nail on the head.
Basically they said, AOL is for people who just don't need things an ISP
provides. They are more casual about their accounts. It is probably their
first account anywhere.

I always tell people that it is a great place to get your feet wet. They
have content that you will have trouble finding on the WEB.

I just wish we didn't have to continuously "bounce" people off our lists
because of AOL's connectivity. Hopefully the good news is that whatever
they did and finally got working will make life better for their
subscribers...

BACK TO OLDS!!!

Nobody commented on using the Summit adjustable brake proportioning valve.
My comment was it is 1/2 the price of the cheapest one I found. Good this
just be a "good" deal???


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:20:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Hey Toro-heads!

tc75918@hpr169.mdhc.mdc.com wrote:
> 
> >
> >  The featured car was a 1970 (or so) Lincoln Continental 

> I believe they set a trap for it where they wired the face of a cliff
> with dynamite, then set somebody up for bait.  Lured the car to drive
> off the cliff, the fired the dynamite and buried it.  May have been an
> old rock quarry or something.

Hey, I like that.  Now I know what to do the next 
time Jeannie's Lincoln starts coughing up blood.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Paul Bartlett <bartletp@osshe.edu>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:39:02 -0300
Subject: Definition of Word "Toronado"??

Does anyone know what the word "Toronado" actually means, and why
Oldsmobile picked that word back in 1966??  The word seems similar to
"Eldorado" ...

I wonder if "Toronado" is the name of some place in Europe.  I would like
to know the answer because the other day, a "friend(??)" referred to my
car as a "Tornado" -- I tried to explain that I am fortunate to drive what
I believe to be a 1966 updated version of the 1936 Cord.  But of course, he
had never heard of a Cord.  Obviously someone who doesn't appreciate fine
cars...

Paul Bartlett 
Phone (503) 737-0510
E-mail bartletp@osshe.edu

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From: curly@sgi.net
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:41:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Mufflers for 69 442 ? 

At 04:37 PM 8/8/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Folks
>
>Which muffler do you prefer on a d. near stock 400 69 442. I had my mind
>made up on 2 chamber Flowmasters.  However I got a good sales pitch on
>some Flowtech Terminators.  The Flowtechs are cheaper, but not enough
>cheaper to really matter.  Do any of you have experience with Flowtech?
>
>John M Harris
>
>
go with the flowmaster you can't go wrong and make sure you get the 
2 chamber if your looking for a nice crisp deep sound!!

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From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@direct.ca>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:48:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Movie - Kingpin 

At 06:46 PM 8/8/96 -0300, you wrote:

>Haven't seen "Kingpin" yet, but I am expecting
>to see that Cutlass (even though it's not very pretty to begin with)
>destroyed.  It just disgusts me!  Just my 2 cents...
> 
>--
>Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
>dpauliso@metrolink.net

I just saw "Kingpin" the other night and they start out with a very nice '71
4-4-2 Ragtop.  After the first 15 mins. of the movie it has no emblems, new
unpainted front fender, no more grills, lotsa rust etc.  It's a really funny
movie and I would recommend going to see it... plus its a bonus having an
Olds in a movie no matter what shape it's in.

Nick DiGiovanni
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
1970 4-4-2 - "Snarls Softly and Carries a Big Kick"

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From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:45:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Movie -Reply 

Dave Paulison wrote: 

 What is it with Hollywood and the destruction of
>old/classic automobiles (Chubbies included)?  There are quite a few movies
>with older cars that just get destroyed.  Seems to be a familiar trend.

Anybody remember that beautiful '70 442 in "Demolition Man"?  Stallone was
chasing Wesley Snipes in it, and Snipes shot it all to pieces.  What a waste...

Doug Newman
1987 442

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From: curly@sgi.net
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 19:49:06 -0300
Subject: Quad 4 Power 

hey quad 4's out there i talked to Mantapart Performance prod today finally
and they gaurentee me high 13's to low 14's for $800--this will include two
radical camshafts slightly bigger than the W41 option cams with Heavy duty
valve springs, a modified exhaust manifold, bigger throttle body, revamped
computer chip-specially programmmed for all the parts...so look out e -mail
me if your interested!

Jeff

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From: dcart@micro.ti.com (Donald B Cart)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:05:12 -0300
Subject: Quad 4 Power 

 I'd be interested in hearing how it comes out.  Especially after a few
months of around town driving.   Do you know how a H/O Quad 4 compares
to a W40 or W41 ?  

Thanks,
Don

- ----- Begin Included Message -----

hey quad 4's out there i talked to Mantapart Performance prod today finally
and they gaurentee me high 13's to low 14's for $800--this will include two
radical camshafts slightly bigger than the W41 option cams with Heavy duty
valve springs, a modified exhaust manifold, bigger throttle body, revamped
computer chip-specially programmmed for all the parts...so look out e -mail
me if your interested!

Jeff

- ----- End Included Message -----

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From: curly@sgi.net
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:21:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Quad 4 Power 

>Do you know how a H/O Quad 4 compares
>>to a W40 or W41 ?  

well they are pretty much the same engine except for the duration on the
camshafts of the W41 is a little greater...I don't have the exact spec here
in front of me now... the other thing is the W41 had a slightly better
exhaust manifold on it alltogether about 10 horse difference 190 vs 180.
will let you'll all know when i get my up and running again with the new parts!

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From: "Bill Moss" <billm@ibm.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:15:29 -0300
Subject: unsubscribe 

unsubscribe

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:35:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Definition of Word "Toronado"??

Paul Bartlett wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what the word "Toronado" actually means, and why
> Oldsmobile picked that word back in 1966??  

I can look up the exact references if you'd like but, like "Kodak", 
Toronado is a made up word used because it sounded neat.

> But of course, he had never heard of a Cord.  Obviously someone who 
> doesn't appreciate fine cars...

Obviously.  (snear)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:34:45 -0300
Subject: Re: High volume oil pump

Fernando Proietto wrote:
> 
> Hello Craig,
>         Your oil pump delema. I'm against the high volume pump for various 
reasons. First, the engine's bottom end is
> stock so a high vol pump is not necessary. You will not realize any 
improvements. In fact I think you'd be just asking for
> a problem to occur. 
> 
> Second, you already stubled on this one, "Do I need a larger oil pan?"  
Well, you very well may ned one. A high vol pump
> requires oil, alot of oil to keep it working. 

> Regards
> Fernando Proietto

I heartedly agree.  Olds & the others didn't build junk.  These are 
reliable vehicles for most any use.  Severe use or special duty use are 
different.  Build the engine to match these needs, but building a race 
car for a trip to the show & back or for cruising Saturday nights seems 
a little much.  Of course use the latest technology. but keep everything 
in balance.  It is too easy to put a 750 double pumper on any old engine 
& then say you improved it.  Many other parts have the same effect. 

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 15:38:45 -0300
Subject: Re: FW: When is the NATS...

Frank Boerger wrote:
> 
> >we are getting off the topic a little, I'm reading all these looking for the
> >answer to the original question "where and when are the nats"???
> 
> August 7-11...my Hemmings says the Marriott in Marietta, GA.
> 
> I'm heading that way tommorrow, but I still could use any advice to make sure
> I'm looking for the right place...
> 
> Frank Boerger
> Tallahassee, FL


Frank:

I believe that it is the Windy Hills exit on your right (east).  That is 
at Marietta abouat 30 miles N of Atlanta right on I75.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: curly@sgi.net
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:48:59 -0300
Subject: Re: High volume oil pump 

At 03:34 PM 8/8/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Fernando Proietto wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Craig,
>>         Your oil pump delema. I'm against the high volume pump for
various reasons. First, the engine's bottom end is
>> stock so a high vol pump is not necessary. You will not realize any
improvements. In fact I think you'd be just asking for
>> a problem to occur. 
>> 
>> Second, you already stubled on this one, "Do I need a larger oil pan?"
Well, you very well may ned one. A high vol pump
>> requires oil, alot of oil to keep it working. 
>
>> Regards
>> Fernando Proietto
>
>I heartedly agree.  Olds & the others didn't build junk.  These are 
>reliable vehicles for most any use.  Severe use or special duty use are 
>different.  Build the engine to match these needs, but building a race 
>car for a trip to the show & back or for cruising Saturday nights seems 
>a little much.  Of course use the latest technology. but keep everything 
>in balance.  It is too easy to put a 750 double pumper on any old engine 
>& then say you improved it.  Many other parts have the same effect. 
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>
>


Give it up fellows it's obvious that the only reason he put it on there is so 
he can see those higher oil pressure numbers....he doesn't care about
anything else...IGNORANCE IS BLISS!!!!!

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 21:16:09 -0300
Subject: RE: Ignition Q's: Part 2

The stock HEI is a very good ignition giving slightly better power thwn =
a point ignition but much better longevity and reliability, for the =
money ( usually next to nothing) you can't beat it

- ----------
From: 	Blaine Sanders 5483[SMTP:BLAINES@strata3d.com]
Sent: 	Thursday, August 08, 1996 6:12 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Ignition Q's: Part 2

It seems to be the general concesus that SB's and BB's use the same
distributor.  That being the case, I won't wait till I rebuild the 455 =
to get
electronic ignition.  So, the next question is this:

How well does a stock HEI distributor from a late 70's/80's Olds perform
over the 60's-70's points ignition?  It should be reletively easy and =
cheap
to find a used HEI distributor.  But should I go with and aftermarket EI
system from, say, Mallory or Accell?  Or does the GM HEI system
perform well enough?

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@kfmw.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 14:59:47 -0300
Subject: Info on Quad States Show - Sep 20th and 21st.

I just got all of the info on the Quad states meet and talked to Tom 
Joyce who is organizing it.  Tom said this should be the largest show 
ever with already over 125 cars registered!  Also, the rarest and most 
expensive Olds will be on display, a 1911 limited (I think that was it).  
He mentioned something about it being a Peble Beach car and worth around 
1 million bucks (hmm).  One of the speakers will be the guy who oversaw 
the restoration of the car.  

Quad States Meet at Wisconsin Dells, Friday Sept. 20th and Saturday, 
Sept. 21st.  At the Holiday Inn Hwy 13 & I-90/94 Exit 87.  The number of 
the Holiday Inn is 800-254-8306 with a Olds Club rate of $62.  There is 
stuff planned for both days including a Sat Banquet with guest speakers 
including the President of OCA (I think it was the pres) and info on the 
100th Aniv Show.  The actual show is only on Sat, but the swap meet will 
be going on Friday.  Security will be provided for cars both nights at 
the hotel.  For more info and registration forms contanct Tom Joyce at 
414-886-9806.

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 21:37:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Is everyone at Nats?

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Andrew C. Green wrote:
> I was wondering about that myself, but Greg has said that he often has
> to unsubscribe AOLers due to mailbox problems. Greg? How many AOL accounts
> are on the list?

About 20 of around 200 total. 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: peteyb@mindspring.com
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:39:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Where is the national show in Atlanta?

>I plan on driving over on Saturday.  I will be comming down I75 from the
>north.  Where is the show??
>
>
>John Harris
>
>

John -

I live in Atlanta.  If you exit at Exit 112 (Windy Hill Road) and turn left
(East) you will see the big Marriott on your right.  Show is there.

Pete

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From: kdporter@midwest.net (kdporter)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:32:43 -0300
Subject: what is going on here

         

            i have not got any mail for 2 days whats going on


kdporter
Preferred Company
kdporter@midwest.net

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From: Mike Coccagna <MikeC@oz.kis.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 22:55:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Quad 4 Power

dON, 

The W-40 and W-41 are option package codes used on the Calais and the
Achieva (W-41 only) in the early '90s.  The W-40 Quad442s came out in
90, and has minor revisions to the engine for '91.  About 1360 were
produced in '91, according to the Oldsmobile History Center.  The W-41
is a more potent version, with a roudier cam, limited slip diff., and
otherwise basically the same.  Only 200 W-41s were produced in '91, with
a W-41 option being offered more widely on the Achieva.

Expect about 7.5 secs for a 0-60 run, and quarters in the mid-14s for
bone stock ones.....

Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442

Donald B Cart wrote:
> 
>  I'd be interested in hearing how it comes out.  Especially after a few
> months of around town driving.   Do you know how a H/O Quad 4 compares
> to a W40 or W41 ?

------------------------------

From: kdporter@midwest.net (kdporter)
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:19:01 -0300
Subject: what is going on here

         

            i have not got any mail for 2 days whats going on


kdporter
Preferred Company
kdporter@midwest.net

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From: REGGIE GOBLE <REGGIE_GOBLE_4@wow.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:00:15 -0300
Subject: Reply to: 1980 442 W-30 price???

See if lot owner knows what he has. He may just consider it another 80 cutlass.
Also, let it run,check it out as any used car purchase and make sure someone
hasn't hammered the heck out of it. Look at serial numbers, don't want to buy 
a mix and match if your putting that much into this as an investment. 
     Finally after all that, ask simply why is the price not on the windsheild,
if that is how he does it.  Look into some of the used car for sale books,
classic cars for sale, and don't seem very interrested. 
Let me know how it goes. 
Reggie Goble
Stafford, Virginia 

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From: REGGIE GOBLE <REGGIE_GOBLE_4@wow.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:00:26 -0300
Subject: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Re: 69 toronado

Appreciate it if you do get by the car again. Good luck on the job hunt. 
Reggie

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From: <clint@boto.netherworld.org>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 00:42:46 -0300
Subject: Oldsmobile 442 question (fwd)

Got this from the f-body list.   Please reply to jlutz@tir.com as well as
to this list.  I'm kinda curious meself...

Clint
- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 21:45:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Jeff Lutz <jlutz@tir.com>

I know that Olds questions are a little off the subject, but I figure
someone out there knows the answer.  Anyway..in the late

60's and early 70's there was an option known as W27.  From what I gather
(and tried to find in old magazines I have) this

consisted of an aluminum rear-end.  I've seen black and white pictures of
these axles and it has a fancy aluminum cover pan

but I cant' tell if the carrier housing is aluminum also.  Does anyone know
about this?

Jeff Lutz

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From: <clint@boto.netherworld.org>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 01:03:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Movie -Reply

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Doug Newman wrote:

> Anybody remember that beautiful '70 442 in "Demolition Man"?  Stallone was
> chasing Wesley Snipes in it, and Snipes shot it all to pieces.  What a 
waste...

Ahhhh... but here's the cool part.   There were three restored (in a
record 18 days) for "Demolition Man".  Movie magic is great!  total damage
to the three?   One got 12 bullet holes, all in the windshield and
headlamps.    8^)  At least somebody cares...

Clint

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From: eda@dl.tc.faa.gov
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:29:31 -0300
Subject: Missing digest? 

Hmmm...seem to have missed digest #259...was there a problem at CCN?
Can't find it in the dead mail queue here...

Ed Atlee			'77 Cutlass Supreme
eda@dl.tc.faa.gov		'84 Hurst/Olds
	R O C K E T	P O W E R E D ! !

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From: stevew@atsmail.gc.lucent.com
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:39:39 -0300
Subject: Re: FW:First year of Olds 350... 

I thought that Corvette had a 350/350 in '65.

steve
'70 Cutlass
At 05:48 PM 8/8/96 -0300, you wrote:
>> when GM did introduce the 350. I seem to remember 68 as being the
>year...anybody else recall?
>
>Yes, '68 was the first year.
>
>Frank Boerger
>'68 Cutlass convertible/'68 coupe-for-parts
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:40:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Resto Tips ...

Just thought of this  one this morning. When I began putting the parts 
together, ie. door, trunk lid, 
bumpers, etc..parts that need alignment, use popsicle sticks as spacers. One 
stick can be broken into 3 
equal pieces. There are approx. a little larger than 1/16" in height and offer 
good protection when spacing 
parts for fit as they can be stacked for the correct spacing required and 
since they are made of wood they 
don't scratch your paint. They are especially usefull when installing doors.

- -- 
Regards
Fernando Proietto

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:43:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Missing digest?

On Fri, 9 Aug 1996 eda@dl.tc.faa.gov wrote:
> 
> Hmmm...seem to have missed digest #259...was there a problem at CCN?
> Can't find it in the dead mail queue here...

It's a mystery to me also. It never appeared at this end either. I'll see 
if I can find anything out.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:43:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Definition of Word "Toronado"??

Toro = Spanish for "bull"
Nado = Spanish for "floating" (sort of)


Therefore, Toronado = "floating bull"



Dan Gulino

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From: Rod Rickenbach <rod@hopi.dtcc.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:53:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Movie - Kingpin

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Nick DiGiovanni wrote:

> I just saw "Kingpin" the other night and they start out with a very nice '71
> 4-4-2 Ragtop.  After the first 15 mins. of the movie it has no emblems, new
> unpainted front fender, no more grills, lotsa rust etc.  It's a really funny
> movie and I would recommend going to see it... plus its a bonus having an
> Olds in a movie no matter what shape it's in.

Actually, it "magically" transformed into a '72 Cutlass Convertible...

- -Rod
- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Rod Rickenbach                                       Delaware Tech
     rod@dtcc.edu                                 Computer Services Department
http://www.dtcc.edu/~rod                            Stanton/Wilmington Campus

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:53:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Definition of Word "Toronado"??

On Fri, 9 Aug 1996, Daniel Gulino wrote:

> 
> Toro = Spanish for "bull"
> Nado = Spanish for "floating" (sort of)
> 
> 
> Therefore, Toronado = "floating bull"
> 
> 
> 
> Dan Gulino
> 
> 


Let me add, however, that this was not Oldsmobile's intent.  "Toronado" 
really is just a made-up word designed to sound fast and exciting.  The 
fact that it can be broken down into some sort of meaning in another 
language is just coincidence.

Another example:  "Kodak," as was noted by someone else earlier, is a word 
that was made up by George Eastman, founder of the company, using letters 
contained in his mother's name.  The full name of the company is the 
"Eastman Kodak Company."

Another example:  the Nissan "Altima."  Altima is a made-up word designed 
to sound like "ultimate" and give the impression of high quality or whatever.


Dan Gulino

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From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:05:39 -0300
Subject: Carb gasket 

Hello everyone,
  I'm going to be putting on my newly purchased and restored matching#'s carb 
on my '68 442 convert this week when I receive it.  Should I soak the new 
gasket in oil or treat it with anything before I put it on?  Also, how tight 
should I wrench down on the top mounting screws.  I don't have a tourque 
wrench, or the spec's for that matter.  When I took the original off, the 
were just tight enough to feel just a little pull when you screwed them down 
(know what I mean Vern?)  Thanks!
 
                                                        Craig Dobbins.

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From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 06:18:31 -0300
Subject: Detailing - Engine In 

Hello everyone,
  Does anyone out there have any experience doing a full detail job under the 
hood with the engine still in?  My '68 442 convert. only has 65,700 miles on 
it, and besides replacing the oil and water pump for the hell of it, it's not 
really worth the bother or money (I don't have an engine puller or stand, and 
I rent a small garage to keep it in - not much extra room) to pull it to do 
the job.  So, before I get it painted, I want to detail the engine myself.  I 
wondered if anyone had any good tips for me on possibly the best ways of 
cleaning the interior plastic and firewall, what steps to take before putting 
new paint on my engine (400, bronze color), how to make my brake booster look 
better -- it has a little rust in the front/center of it (I'd perfer NOT to 
just paint it black), how to make my Master Brake Cylinder look better - it's 
rusty on the exterior,  And whatever else anyone out there has tips on.  I 
know I should probably change all of the hoses to make that look good too 
since I'm going over the entire engine compartment, But what else?  All good 
experienced tips would be appreciated.  I'm not rebuilding it for another 
good 35-40,000 miles, since I only put 1-1,500 miles on it per year, THIS is 
why I am asking this.

                                                     Thank You,
                                                      Craig Dobbins  

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From: JJF97@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:53:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Dying cloth and vinyl seats

hey,  I dyed a blue and a white arm rest (vinal) to black to replace my 
cracked ones in my car.  It has been seven years since i dyed them and they 
still look like bran new.  I bought the dye through J.C. Whitneys....

so for the vinal part....  it is very do-able.  as for fabric....  i can't 
help ya there personally.....  but i am sure that it can be done and with
positive results.    Good luck.

- --joe ferrero

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 09:24:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Movie

> 
> > >(Now that I know what they look like, I remember
> > >seeing one in a movie several years ago.  It was all black with really 
dark
> > >tinted windows.  It was like a demon car or something.  What's the name
> > >of that movie?)
> > >
> > >-Blaine
> 
> The name of that movie was: The Car

Yup, I remember this flick.... starring James Brolin, he of Marcus Welby M.D.
fame, and currently doing the V.O. for that rip-off place called AAMCO....

I remember going to the drive-in when it came out (in a P*nt**c, sorry),
and thinking it was an OK flick, good for drinking snuck-in beers with everyone
else in the car....  thought the concept of 'The Car' *jumping* up to go
through a house to kill Brolin's GF was a bit much, but hey, it's the Magic
of Hollywood :)



Tim (Back After his Mail Server Took a 2 Week Sabbatical) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'88 Cadillac Brougham, a.k.a. 'Big Blue' -- Olds 307 Powered!!
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: Dave Isho <davei-2@mail.idt.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 03:29:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Suspension questions 

At 06:20 PM 8/6/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Who makes an excellent quality poly-graphite bushing kit for a decent price? 
        I used the Performance Suspension Technology kit and was very happy
with it. I picked up the complete kit and finished it off with KYB gas shocks.

>Is bushing replacement a difficult proceedure?
        I had never done this before and found it to be a dirty and time
consuming job. You'll need to pay special attention to the front coil spring
removal and installation (very dangerous). I'd recommend replacing the front
springs while your at it. You will need an impact (air) hammer as well as a
press or a way to get the new bushings and ball joints in. PST also carries
a VHS tape demonstrating how to do the job (I recommend it especially if you
can talk them into throwing it in with a complete kit. In short, a person
who has done a fair amount of mechanical work should not have a problem
completing the job.

        Let me know if I can answer any questions about it. Good luck.

 >Dave Isho --- davei-2@mail.idt.net
     >67 Cutlass CS Convertible
     

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From: "David Morton" <dmorton@rci.rutgers.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:56:00 -0300
Subject: Introduction 

Hello, all,

I'm new to the list, and was asked to send a little introduction, so here 
goes.  I bought a '67 Toronado about 6 months ago, the first one of these
I've owned, and am currently using it as my daily driver.  Although my 
first car was a '69 Cutlass, and I've had a basket case corvair in a 
parent's garage for over a decade now, mostly I've driven (ahem) 
European cars since I was a kid (Fiats, MG's, a couple of VW's).

But I've seen the light!  I love my Toro, and I"m looking forward to 
driving it for some time to come.  

I'm not looking forward, however, to the suspension rebuild it so badly 
needs.  The cv joints seem/sound like they're ok, but ball joints 
and misc. tie rods, etc look pretty sorry.  

Now, on a Fiat spyder, this isn't such a bad job.  Anybody have any tales
to tell of doing ball joints on this type of car?  And has anybody ever
tried to use one of these "ball joint removers" that some rental places 
offer to remove pressed-in ball joints with the control arms still on 
the car?

Dave Morton
New Brunswick, NJ

- --------
'67 Toronado
'66 Corvair Corsa 180
'67 Triumph (2-wheeler)
'62 Wurlizter

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From: Michael Brady <drolds19@mail.idt.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 04:53:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Mufflers for 69 442 ?

curly@sgi.net wrote:
> 
> At 04:37 PM 8/8/96 -0300, you wrote:
> >Folks
> >
> >Which muffler do you prefer on a d. near stock 400 69 442. I had my mind
> >made up on 2 chamber Flowmasters.  However I got a good sales pitch on
> >some Flowtech Terminators.  The Flowtechs are cheaper, but not enough
> >cheaper to really matter.  Do any of you have experience with Flowtech?
> >
> >John M Harris
> >
> >
> go with the flowmaster you can't go wrong and make sure you get the
> 2 chamber if your looking for a nice crisp deep sound!!


 I agree, i have a set on my 69' 4-4-2 and they sound quite nice!!,i
 am also running with dynomax ceramic coated headers, this combo along
 with a very lumpy camshaft makes for some sweet sound's, it's a lot
 better than the radio, Take care

   Michael Brady 1969 4-4-2 4-speed

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From: Michael Brady <drolds19@mail.idt.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 05:01:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Movie -Reply

Doug Newman wrote:
> 
> Dave Paulison wrote:
> 
>  What is it with Hollywood and the destruction of
> >old/classic automobiles (Chubbies included)?  There are quite a few movies
> >with older cars that just get destroyed.  Seems to be a familiar trend.
> 
> Anybody remember that beautiful '70 442 in "Demolition Man"?  Stallone was
> chasing Wesley Snipes in it, and Snipes shot it all to pieces.  What a 
waste...
> 
> Doug Newman
> 1987 442


 Hello, not to worry, they used several w-30 clones for that movie, they
 only had one real w-30 4-4-2 and the rest were tired cutlass car's, but
 i know what you mean, i hate to see some of these car's destroyed. There
 was an article printed in journey with old's several years ago that
 explained how they put those car's together for that movie, an 
interesting read. 

   Michael Brady 1969 4-4-2 4-speed

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:45:49 -0300
Subject: Movies & cars 

I didnt think of this when Mannix was mentioned in regards to the
Toronado(s) earlier, but my '67 Cutlass Convertible was bought new and used
by Universal Studios as an 'extra' car and for use by actors, extras, etc.,
around the lot (according to the employee of Universal we bought it from).
He specifically mentioned Mannix (as a background car) but in all my
watching I've never spotted it (but also havent watched THAT many) and he
vaguely mentioned 'other' TV shows & 'movies'.  It was a dark  midnight blue
with a pale blue top (pretty classy when she was younger) a rather
distinctive color scheme.  If anyone happens to spot it in the background
anywhere, I'd love a reply (I watch Nick at Nite but....I can only stand so
much of that).  My favorite car when I was a kid was Darren Stephens
(Bewitched) Camaro convertible.  That car was cool looking.

Sincerely


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/lisa.htm

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:45:49 -0300
Subject: Movies & cars 

I didnt think of this when Mannix was mentioned in regards to the
Toronado(s) earlier, but my '67 Cutlass Convertible was bought new and used
by Universal Studios as an 'extra' car and for use by actors, extras, etc.,
around the lot (according to the employee of Universal we bought it from).
He specifically mentioned Mannix (as a background car) but in all my
watching I've never spotted it (but also havent watched THAT many) and he
vaguely mentioned 'other' TV shows & 'movies'.  It was a dark  midnight blue
with a pale blue top (pretty classy when she was younger) a rather
distinctive color scheme.  If anyone happens to spot it in the background
anywhere, I'd love a reply (I watch Nick at Nite but....I can only stand so
much of that).  My favorite car when I was a kid was Darren Stephens
(Bewitched) Camaro convertible.  That car was cool looking.

Sincerely


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/lisa.htm

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From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:35:14 -0300
Subject: Re: eng\trans swap350\350 to 455\400 

Turning your Cutlass into a "442", eh?  First off, the motor mounts are
available at NAPA for about $25- Tell them it's for a '71 442 w/455.  I
would recommend buying an adjustable valvetrain from Dave Smith or Mondello.

The crossmember can be used, but will have to be re-positioned back about 6"
to make-up for the longer transmission- Which brings us to the driveshaft: 
You'll have to get it shortened, and re-balanced.  The Tranny-Mount is
available at AutoZone, Chief, etc. The mount didn't change from '65-'72.

An ideal donor would be a '70 442 with the accessories you'd need, but any
GM A-Body from that year (Chevelle, etc) will do just fine...

No, an 88's disc set-up is altogether different than a Cutlass'- Go with
a '72 Cutlass/442 assembly- All parts (less spindle) available at AutoZone 
etc. Cheap!

Any posi rear-end for any '65-72 GM A body will bolt right up!

Since you're at it, you may want to get front & rear sway-bars if you don't
already have them- They'll help a LOT!  <= Year One, Napa, etc.

Dave Smith's # is: (909) 371-7040.  I personally like working with him
more than Joe.  If you need Joe Mondello's number, I can can get it for you...

Email me directly, and I'll provide you with more info if you want...



Good Luck! 


Scott Martindale
'65 442 Holiday Coupe
'65 442 Convertible
smardale@airmail.net

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From: spud@kudonet.com (Spud)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 01:43:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Definition of Word "Toronado"?? 

>Paul Bartlett wrote:
>> 
>> Does anyone know what the word "Toronado" actually means, and why
>> Oldsmobile picked that word back in 1966??  
>
>I can look up the exact references if you'd like but, like "Kodak", 
>Toronado is a made up word used because it sounded neat.
>-- 
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO

Just a guess here, but it sounds a lot like a combination of "toro" and
"tornado."

So, is that a bull that ate too many beans?
Spud     "Fart proudly."
'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
'73 Delta 88
'79 LeBaron

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From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:09:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Resto  Tips  ..... 

At 09:39 AM 8/5/96 -0300, you wrote:
>When installing a new headliner, it's nearly impossible to get it wrinkle-
>free.  Thankfully, all but the biggest wrinkles will come out if you use a
>hair dryer to warm them as you smooth the area out.
>
>
>Resto Corner
>
>--joe ferrero
>
>
>

Also, I've tried stretching the headliner out on the driveway, and letting it
sit for an hour or so... That, with the hairdrier works great!

Scott Martindale
'65 442 Holiday Coupe
'65 442 Convertible

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:02:57 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: FW: Diesels (was Legislation) 

     I *knew* I should have gotten that 260-diesel option in my '84 
     Hurst/Olds!
     
     Anyone actually driven one of those 260-disels and care to admit it?

______________________________ Reply Separator 
_________________________________
Subject: Re: FW: Diesels (was Legislation)
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    8/6/96 1:28 PM


>>Sure, the exhuast LOOKS bad, coming out all sooty, but its 
>>mostly just carbon and water, correct?
     
>Absolutely correct, Shawn !
>
>Carbon, water vapor, and CO2 only...you won't get carbon monxide poisoning 
from
>a diesel, either...but I  still  like my oldsmobile !!
>
>Frank Boerger
     

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:03:06 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: The Idiots Among Us.... (long) 

     
>For my opinion the BMW-drivers are the worst of all. Propably those BMW:s are 
>so handy that it is FUN to irritate.
     
     Over here in the States we call them Mustangs  :-)
     BTW, anybody read the bit about the Rustangs in the latest JWO?  My 
     non-car-appreciating SO wanted to know what I was laughing so hard 
     about so she read it and got a big kick too.
     
>It's sad that these maniacs can convert a beautiful sunny day into pure hell 
>and do that without even getting caught.
     
     Well ocassionally they get caught.  Like the idiots in the Toyota that 
     threw a beer can at me and some friends a few years ago.  We chased 
     them hoping to get a plate or something.  They got away mostly because 
     they were just sheerly insane drivers, partly because we were in my 
     friend's Corolla.  After we lost them about 10 minutes later we passed 
     them on the side of the road, pulled over by a cop who was in the 
     process of pulling a few 6-packs of beer out of the back seat.  Of 
     course we had to wave!
     
>The best thing to do (I suppose) is to ignore those vegetables totally. 
Anyway,
>what can we do.
     
     Yeah, that's what I usually do.  Let them go on their way and try not 
     to let it bother me.  If they look dangerous (either the driving style 
     or the driver himself) I give them lots of space (behind me if 
     possible).  Although I have reported a few obviously-drunk 
     rebounding-off-the-curb type drivers on the cell phone before.

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From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 01:57:37 -0300
Subject: Re: 1965 Body Tag Info... 

Thanks, Boyd! This is turning into a MAJOR pain in the backside...
>
>
>

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 20:33:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile 442 question (fwd)

clint@boto.netherworld.org wrote:
>=20
> Got this from the f-body list.   Please reply to jlutz@tir.com as well =
as
> to this list.  I'm kinda curious meself...
>=20
> Clint
>=20
> From: Jeff Lutz <jlutz@tir.com>
>=20
> I know that Olds questions are a little off the subject, but I figure
> someone out there knows the answer.  Anyway..in the late
>=20
> 60's and early 70's there was an option known as W27.  From what I gath=
er
> (and tried to find in old magazines I have) this
>=20
> consisted of an aluminum rear-end.  I've seen black and white pictures =
of
> these axles and it has a fancy aluminum cover pan
>=20
> but I cant' tell if the carrier housing is aluminum also.  Does anyone =
know
> about this?
>=20
> Jeff Lutz


Jeff:

I understand that 1970 & up Cutlass cars could have had the center=20
section of the rear end aluminum as well as that cover.  The covers are=20
being reproduced now, but not the center section.  I also understand=20
that these were not super strong, but maybe that reputation came from=20
those who would destroy a ball bearing anyway.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama
- --=20
MZ=90

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 18:03:01 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: T-Tops Weather seals 84  hurst olds 

     I was perusing through an archive of last month's Buick GN/T-type 
     mailing list in the hopes of finding some G-body, traction, 
     suspension, TH200-4R, rear-end, and other tips and I read them 
     mentioning something about "rear seat braces".  There wasn't enough 
     context to gather what they were, other than some sort of frame 
     bracing, and lots of people mentioning they had them.  Might be worth 
     looking into.
     
     Tom L.


______________________________ Reply Separator 
_________________________________
Subject: Re: T-Tops Weather seals 84  hurst olds
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    8/5/96 9:28 PM


>Incidentally, anyone know of a supplier for subframe connectors for 
>'78-'88 Cutlasses (G-bodies)?  Anyone got the number for "Just 
>Suspensions?"
     
Granted, the A- and G-bodies from that generation didn't have the equivalent 
of convertible frames, but they probably had some idea that they were going 
to be putting big gaping holes in the roofs; Olds had been doing that for 
years when the '78's were on the drawing boards, and I believe they were 
options early on in that model run.
     
About subframe connectors on your Cutlass... Uh, you've already got some in 
there. All GM rwd intermediate A-body and G-body cars were full-frame cars, 
not unibody-with-subframe cars. Of course, you can box and strengthen the 
stock frame, or replace it altogether, or add a rollcage to reduce flex.
     
     

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From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 02:06:57 -0300
Subject: Re: TEXAS EVENTS? 

At 12:45 PM 8/8/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Does anyone know of any Texas Events this fall?
>
>Robert Iles
>robert.iles@amd.com
>'71 Cutlass Convertible
>
>
>
>
Yup! There's the regional All-Olds show in Dallas on August 30-September 1 at 
the Harvey House Hotel, 14315 Midway Road.  The contact is Chris Dreiling
(214) 245-1292.  If you're coming, give me a call at (214) 881-5227 for
directions, suggestions etc.

Hope to see you there!

Scott Martindale

Ps- the Hotel's # is: (214) 980-8877

------------------------------

From: spud@kudonet.com (Spud)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 02:41:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Suspension questions 

I can't answer on the price issue, but just last week I received a catalog
from Kanter Auto Products and they have such kits.  I ordered their catalog
from their web site at http://www.kanter.com.  I ordered the catalog and
received it within three business days.

I just today received a catalog from Steele Rubber Products, who claim that
Kanter sells their parts.  I haven't looked through the catalog yet, but
I'll report back on it later (maybe later this week).  BTW, their web site
(http://www.steelerubber.com) also has a catalog ordering form, but it took
a full week for me to receive it (still pretty good).

>I need to redo my whole front end suspension.  Who makes an excellent
>quality poly-graphite bushing kit for a decent price?  Is bushing
>replacement a difficult proceedure?  Can it be done by one person that
>has never done it before?  Thanks.
>
>-Blaine S.
>'72 Cutlass Supreme
Spud     "Fart proudly."
'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
'73 Delta 88
'79 LeBaron

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From: spud@kudonet.com (Spud)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 02:41:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Fwd: 1968 400 C.I. engine 

>you need hardened valve SEATS to be able to run todays unleaded pump gas
>without them you will burn ex valves and/or seats

Pardon my error on the seat -vs- guide.  I intended to refer to seats, but
it came out bungled.  However, the information related to me still applies.
Is it untrue that GM has used hardened seats since the midfifties?  Keep in
mind that the guy who worked my heads was in the business to money and still
gave me that advice.
Spud     "Fart proudly."
'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
'73 Delta 88
'79 LeBaron

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:36:43 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Ignition Q's: Part 2 

I agree.  There are a number of places that sell mechanical advance recurve 
kits for HEI that setup the mech. advance for more performance.  There are 
also performance and adjustable vacuum advance diaphragms available.

David Brown          OCA #27978         (312) 702-9157
    Check out: www.442.com      www.oldsmobile.com
               FAQ version 2.0 due soon!

- -------------------
The stock HEI is a very good ignition giving slightly better power thwn =
a point ignition but much better longevity and reliability, for the =
money ( usually next to nothing) you can't beat it

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 08:10:59 -0300
Subject: Olds Wanted/FS on the Web

Found these, thought some might be interested, don't call me!!!

===

From: valerie@michiana.org
Subject: wanted 1971 or 1972 Olds Cutlas...

    ---------------
wanted 1971 or 1972 Olds Cutlas
    ---------------
Looking for a 1971 or 1972 Olds Cutlas in South Bend area.
Will pay up to $3,500.00,  If in good condition.  

==== 

From: www.prndl@aol.com
Subject: 1966 Olds Delta 88 Holiday Coupe,425 cid,a/t,p/s,factor...

    ---------------
1966 Olds Delta 88 Holiday Coupe,425 cid,a/t,p/s,factory a/c,serial #s all
match. 

    ---------------
Evansville,IN. Asking $3000., have over $3500. in parts,very good
condition if interested call (812)858-7385 M-F,7:30-5:00 
 
====

Subject: (fwd) FS 65 Olds 98 Convertible, Dayton,OH

From: js048@randr.com (gens 19-John Sanner	)
Subject: FS 65 Olds 98 Convertible, Dayton,OH

Red with black power top. All power. 425ci. 4-barrel carb. 
All numbers match. 59,000 original miles. Very Good condition.  
One of only 4903 built.
Located in Dayton, Ohio.

$7500.00 invested.  					

Need $6500.00    Make offer.   May consider trade.


e-mail: js048@randr.com    - or
		john_sanner@reyrey.com 
		ag588@dayton.wright.edu
Day phone: 513-443-2272

====

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Frank Boerger <103454.317@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:36:59 -0300
Subject: FW: Suspension questions

On 8/6, Blaine Sanders wrote:A

>I need to redo my whole front end suspension.  Who makes an excellent
>quality poly-graphite bushing kit for a decent price?  Is bushing
>replacement a difficult proceedure?  Can it be done by one person that
>has never done it before?  Thanks.

Blaine, 

I just finished replacing my front end wear items on my '68 Cutlass 
convertible.
The car is currently in a frame-off state, so there are some specific
advantages/disadvantages in performing this activity with no heavy components 
on
the frame.  That said, I opted for the sedate, stock OEM rubber bushings, only
because I don't intend to drive the car very hard.  I purchased a complete kit
(including upper control shafts and bushings) from Kanter for $ 175.  PST lists
an 8 bushing set in poly-graphite for $100, and for $  200, they throw in ball
joints, outer tie rod ends, and stab. bushings.

The real chore on my car (remember, there was no engine, no body, no weight on
the frame), was to decompress, and re-compress the front springs.  I fabricated
a piece of 5/8" threaded rod with  some 3/8" plate and grade 8 washers and 2
thrust bearings) to accomplish this task.  I have air tools in my shop, so I 
was
able to remove the bushings with a carefully placed burst from my air hammer.
The ball joints are pretty straight forward.  I pressed in the new bushings
using a 1/2" threaded rod, and an assortment of washers and spacers to prevent
collapsing the a-arm flanges.  If you don't have some air tool help, I'd really
suggest jobbing this work out.

Assembly on my frame was very difficult.  I could not fit the collapsed spring
on to the a-arm while the a-arm was still attached to the pivot points of the
frame.  An internal spring compressor would probably have allowed this to be
accomplished.  My '68 chassis manual shows the a-arm hanging on the spring
compressor, completely disconnected from the frame.  Compress the spring, 
jiggle
the front and rear attach bolts thru, continue to compress, connect the lower
and upper ball joints, de-compress.  Sounds a lot easier than I experienced.

Resto Tip:  If you install new upper neoprene spring isolators, stick them to
the top of the springs with crazy glue so that they won't keep falling out of
position while you struggle to install the springs.

This was the first time I ever tried this repair, and I probably would attempt
it again.  However, I would probably buy an internal spring compressor, and use
the full weight of the car to aid in  the compressing the springs.

Hope this helps !

Frank Boerger
'68 Cutlass convertible/'68 coupe-for-parts
"Now covering at least 2 acres east of Tallahassee, FL "

------------------------------

From: Frank Boerger <103454.317@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:37:03 -0300
Subject: FW: Legislation

>Spud wrote:
>> 
>> Spread some of that goodness out West, Mike.
>
>I'm in Florida.  We DID make income 
>taxes and gill-nets unconstitutional.
>
>I could send you a box of sand...
>-- 
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO

>Yeah, but it would probably smell mildewed, like the hotel rooms.

Just remember the new Florida state motto:

"Welcome to Florida; now spend your money and go home !"

Frank Boerger
Tallahassee

------------------------------

From: Frank Boerger <103454.317@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:37:01 -0300
Subject: FW: Resto parts.

On 8/6/96, Blaine Sanders wrote:


>Anyone had any experience with Brothers Automotive?  .....

I ordered an drivers side outer wheelhouse from them 6 weeks ago...the charge 
is
on my credit card...no wheelhouse...we are going to war  !!  Mike the counter
guy and I are on a first name, last time basis.

Frank Boerger
'68 Cutlass convertible

------------------------------

From: John Harris <John.Harris@rttc.redstone.army.mil>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 10:46:03 -0300
Subject: 69 A-body rear end codes (ATTN: Dave Paulison)

Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 07:35:47 -0500
Message-Id: <H000018e0046ea2e@MHS>
Subject: 69 A-body rear end codes (ATTN: Dave Pa
TO: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Encoding: 22 text

Folks

There are a whole lot of axle codes.  I am just going to list the
anti-spin codes for the type "O" axles on A body cars.
There are two catagories.  The first is for standard equipment cars:
R3 = 2:56
SB = 2:78
SD = 3:08
SF = 3:23
TM = 3:42
TO = 3:91
TY = 4:33

The other column is for cars equipped with JL2.  In my book option JL2
was power front disk brakes.  I don't know what his has to do with the
rear end but here are the codes for A bodies with JL2
R7 = 2:56
S3 = 2:78
S5 = 3:08
S7 = 3:23
S9 = 3:42
T3 = 3:91

------------------------------

From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:09:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Kickdown Switch

> coming in from the harness on the fire wall. Mid 60's Caddies had kickdowns
> mounted on teh intake manifold which might work with some modification.
> Upside is they were intended to work with a qjet, dowside is the manifold
> is probably differently shaped.
 
Actually, any Cadillac from '65 (and even a few '64s) up to and including
1981 (excl. '79-'81 Eldorados and '80-'81 Sevilles) has a manifold mounted
detent downshift switch.  Although the manifolds are different, it would
be possible to make the switch work with a little persuasion.
 
Kevin

------------------------------

From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 16:36:54 -0300
Subject: I Made It Back!

After an involuntary 2 week sabbatical from the Olds group (due to a Sun
crash, which brought the rest of the "House o' Cards" network down,
flummoxing the mail server -- best known by a guy who just left on his
Honeymoon, natch -- which just got straightened out by the other systems
folks), I just wanted say how happy I am to be able to read all the posts
to my favorite (not to mention only) electronic newsletter.  They've been
welcome respite after working 12 hour days, seven days a week -- why *does*
the Program Office always seem to schedule deadlines for the end of the
summer? -- that and going out to see Big Red in the parking garage, top-down
and ready to go at the end of a long day cooped up in a computer lab...

I hope the spate of folks leaving the group that was in full swing when my mail
server went south has abated... I still miss the stuff from Chris Witt,
Wes Fujii and the rest o' the Rocketeers...

Anyways, just wanted to say I'm glad to be back!



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'88 Cadillac Brougham, a.k.a. 'Big Blue' -- Olds 307 Powered!!
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 21:22:56 -0300
Subject: Re: test...

Dave Paulison wrote:
> 
> This is just a test...have only recieved 9 messages today...

It IS working, Dave.  Everybody must have slept in.  
Oh, yeah, AOL has been down all day too.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:21:57 -0300
Subject: Test 

I got your test, things must just be quiet

------------------------------

From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:31:13 -0300
Subject: Proportioning Valve 

Call Wilwood Brakes in Southern California. I got mine there, fully 
adjustable and it bolts neatly to the frame out of harms way. Don
't have the number here, perhaps someone else does. Works great on
my 98. chris fair

------------------------------

From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 18:42:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Sticky Carb Gaskets

Or you can probably use any wax-based coating such as chap stick or 
door-ease on the gasket, and that keeps it from sticking too.  Even helps 
the seal.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 I used to think that the Information age would spawn a great
 revolution as more people got smarter due to access to more
 information.  To the contrary, now that any idiot can use the
 Net, the integrity of the information contained therein has
 been corrupted.                          --Suntzu@ohana.com
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

------------------------------

From: JJF97@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 11:12:43 -0300
Subject: Resto  Tips  .....

Removing a tight nut on a generator pulleycan be especially troublesome,
because the pulley wants to turn in the direction that you want to turn the
nut.  to fix this problem, use an ordinary oil filter wrench to hold the 
pulley in place.   Then use your wrench to remove the nut with ease.



Please send me your resto tips for the resto tip contest.....  prizes will be
awared to the top three  (mine are not elegible) tips.  send me your mailing
address with the tip (incase you win)....    awards will be givin
at the start of the new year, as well as the resto tip packet (which includes
all resto tips posted here and a few extra) will go on sale for the cost of 
printing them and postage....   for more details....  e-mail me....



Resto Corner
- --joe ferrero

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 14:36:51 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: T-Tops Weather seals 84  hurst olds 

     I was perusing through an archive of last month's Buick GN/T-type 
     mailing list in the hopes of finding some G-body, traction, 
     suspension, TH200-4R, rear-end, and other tips and I read them 
     mentioning something about "rear seat braces".  There wasn't enough 
     context to gather what they were, other than some sort of frame 
     bracing, and lots of people mentioning they had them.  Might be worth 
     looking into.
     
     Tom L.


______________________________ Reply Separator 
_________________________________
Subject: Re: T-Tops Weather seals 84  hurst olds
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    8/5/96 9:28 PM


>Incidentally, anyone know of a supplier for subframe connectors for 
>'78-'88 Cutlasses (G-bodies)?  Anyone got the number for "Just 
>Suspensions?"
     
Granted, the A- and G-bodies from that generation didn't have the equivalent 
of convertible frames, but they probably had some idea that they were going 
to be putting big gaping holes in the roofs; Olds had been doing that for 
years when the '78's were on the drawing boards, and I believe they were 
options early on in that model run.
     
About subframe connectors on your Cutlass... Uh, you've already got some in 
there. All GM rwd intermediate A-body and G-body cars were full-frame cars, 
not unibody-with-subframe cars. Of course, you can box and strengthen the 
stock frame, or replace it altogether, or add a rollcage to reduce flex.
     
     

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 12:08:29 -0300
Subject: something I noticed at the newstand 

Someone may have allready mentioned this but motor trend (I think it was
motor trend) had a timeline in it this month on 100 years of the automobile.
They mentioned the "futuristic" Toronado (I think ahead of it's time is a
better way to put it) when they got to 1966.  Did anyone see the
postage-stamp size photo of the car?  Some idiot put in a picture of the
wrong year Toro.  The caption read '66 Toronado but the picture was of a
68-69.  I'm not knocking the '69 Toronados, I think they're some kick-ass
cars, but you'd think somebody would have spotted it before the mag got into
print.  Kind of upsetting, isn't it? 


My apologies if someone has allready mentioned this and I'm beating a dead
horse.

Greg Pruett

Insert philosophical and/or amusing phrase here-----------

------------------------------

From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 1996 23:27:51 -0300
Subject: help with production #'s 

Does anybody out there have a book that provides information on how many
1980 Olds 442 W-30's were produced? I am having trouble getting this info.
It is a non t-top car with a rocket 350. Thanks..........

Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1988 Camaro IROC-Z/28...the rebuilt salvage car.... 
(an 82 Z/28 in the body of an 88 IROC with 92 Z/28 ground effects)
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25....H/OCA #0278A

------------------------------

From: Paul Bartlett <bartletp@osshe.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:57:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Detailing - Engine In

Craig, 

My 1966 Toronado also has a dirty engine compartment.  I also plan not to
remove the engine.  The front of the engine is covered in oil and coolant
- -- it needs a new waterpump. 

When replacing the waterpump, I hope to take out the radiator which
should give me plenty of room to clean the front of the engine.  I
have also ordered a can of spray paint for the engine (a silver blue for
Toronados) from a company in New Jersey that advertises in Hemmings
Motor News -- JD Hirsh or something like that.  I have sprayed the
new water pump and it looks really good.

I would also like to know how to "clean" the exterior of the brake booster and
master cylinder. 

Paul Bartlett, email bartletp@osshe.edu

>  > Hello
everyone,
>   Does anyone out there have any experience doing a full detail job under 
the 
> hood with the engine still in?  My '68 442 convert. only has 65,700 miles on 
> it, and besides replacing the oil and water pump for the hell of it, it's 
not 
> really worth the bother or money (I don't have an engine puller or stand, 
and 
> I rent a small garage to keep it in - not much extra room) to pull it to do 
> the job.  So, before I get it painted, I want to detail the engine myself.  
I 
> wondered if anyone had any good tips for me on possibly the best ways of 
> cleaning the interior plastic and firewall, what steps to take before 
putting 
> new paint on my engine (400, bronze color), how to make my brake booster 
look 
> better -- it has a little rust in the front/center of it (I'd perfer NOT to 
> just paint it black), how to make my Master Brake Cylinder look better - 
it's 
> rusty on the exterior,  And whatever else anyone out there has tips on.  I 
> know I should probably change all of the hoses to make that look good too 
> since I'm going over the entire engine compartment, But what else?  All good 
> experienced tips would be appreciated.  I'm not rebuilding it for another 
> good 35-40,000 miles, since I only put 1-1,500 miles on it per year, THIS is 
> why I am asking this.
> 
>                                                      Thank You,
>                                                       Craig Dobbins 

------------------------------

From: Rod Rickenbach <rod@hopi.dtcc.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:07:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: FW: Diesels (was Legislation)

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996, Tom Lentz wrote:

> 
>      I *knew* I should have gotten that 260-diesel option in my '84 
>      Hurst/Olds!

I think the 350 Diesel was the only Diesel option then.  From what I 
recall, the 260 Diesel was only offered 1 year (maybe 2) circa 1979...
      
>      Anyone actually driven one of those 260-disels and care to admit it?

My friend worked as a salesman at an Olds dealer in Florida around that 
time.  He tells me that the 260 Diesel redefined "lack of power".

I've owned 2 350 Diesels, an '81 Cutlass & an '81 Delta 88 Royale.  Both 
were GREAT cars. 

- -Rod
- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Rod Rickenbach                                       Delaware Tech
     rod@dtcc.edu                                 Computer Services Department
http://www.dtcc.edu/~rod                            Stanton/Wilmington Campus

------------------------------

From: "AUVAX7::RILES" <RILES%AUVAX7.decnet@auscam.amd.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:17:00 -0300
Subject: RE: Movies & cars

Along this same thread, my neighbor owns the GTO Judge (sorry Olds lovers) 
that was used in the movie "Dazed and Confused", a highschool flick filmed 
in Austin, Tx. a couple of years ago.  BTW, it is for sale.

Robert
'71 Cutlass Convertible
robert.iles@amd.com

------------------------------

From: Paul Bartlett <bartletp@osshe.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:48:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Introduction

Dave,

I haven't had the "opportunity" to replace the ball joints on my 1966
Toronado.  But the 1966 Service Manual has good detail of what needs to be
done.  Do you have a copy of the Service Manual.  If not, would you like
me to send or fax copies of the appropriate pages?>

Paul Bartlett, email bartletp@osshe.edu
 
>  > Hello, all,
> 
> I bought a '67 Toronado about 6 months ago....
> 
> I'm not looking forward, however, to the suspension rebuild it so badly 
> needs.  The cv joints seem/sound like they're ok, but ball joints 
> and misc. tie rods, etc look pretty sorry.  
> 
> Now, on a Fiat spyder, this isn't such a bad job.  Anybody have any tales
> to tell of doing ball joints on this type of car?  And has anybody ever
> tried to use one of these "ball joint removers" that some rental places 
> offer to remove pressed-in ball joints with the control arms still on 
> the car?
> 

------------------------------

From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:39:28 -0300
Subject: Movies

>It was in a Steven King movie.  The liscense plate was something to the
>effect of Hi Toned SOB.  I think the movie was The Dark Half???

It must be "The Dark Half".  I rented "Needful Things" last night.  That
wasn't it... still a great show, though!

- - Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:33:27 -0300
Subject: Fiats?!? (WAS Re: Introduction)

> Hello, all,
> 
> I'm new to the list,

Greetings!  You've joined one of the most comradely e-mail lists in the Land :)

> mostly I've driven (ahem) 
> European cars since I was a kid (Fiats, MG's, a couple of VW's).

Aww, that don't make ya bad (see below)

> Now, on a Fiat spyder, this isn't such a bad job.  Anybody have any tales
> to tell of doing ball joints on this type of car?  And has anybody ever
> tried to use one of these "ball joint removers" that some rental places 
> offer to remove pressed-in ball joints with the control arms still on 
> the car?

Funny (but not 'ha-ha' funny) you should mention this...

I've owned 4 124 Sypders in my day, the last being a '78 with which I had what
you'd call a 'Love-Hate' relationship for 10 years.  Sold it in '92, just
a week before I got married.  I lived in a state of top-down-lessness for 
a whole month -- That's when I came across Big Red :)

But I digress....

The Fiat 124 (same for sedans and Spyders) suspension system is quite
conventional, and I did ball joints, tie rod ends and the like.. several
times in fact.  I was quite paranoid about the condition of my ball joints
after my left front wheel fell off one fine Friday whilst I was going 60 MPH
(I had just been dumped by a GF the day before, and she thought that I had
tried to kill myself -- like she was worth it or something -- as a matter
of fact I was looking forward to a *very* pleasant weekend :) but I digress
again).  Luckily, the body & undercarriage damamge was very minor, and I wanted
a new paintjob anyway... but to answer your question, I'd just use the same 
tool to remove ball joints and tie rod ends -- best $10 I ever spent :)

The first set of ball joints were a bit tough to replace, as the good folks
in Turin thought it best to rivet them in, but it was a snap to replace
subsequent sets...

BTW Dave, I still have a bunch of parts for a Fiat 124, some new; and several
sets of chassis manuals all in English (a plus, not to mention a rarity :) ).
If you want them, you can *have* them, for the cost of shipping... or perhaps
a trade for that basket Corvair in your parents garage... :)




Tim (One of Thousands of Happy Ex-Fiat Owners :) ) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'88 Cadillac Brougham, a.k.a. 'Big Blue' -- Olds 307 Powered!!
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@direct.ca>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:59:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile 442 question (fwd) 

At 12:42 AM 8/9/96 -0300, you wrote:

>60's and early 70's there was an option known as W27.  From what I gather
>(and tried to find in old magazines I have) this
>
>consisted of an aluminum rear-end.  I've seen black and white pictures of
>these axles and it has a fancy aluminum cover pan
>
>but I cant' tell if the carrier housing is aluminum also.  Does anyone know
>about this?
>
>Jeff Lutz

Yes, the entire rear axle carrier and cover is aluminum.  It was only
available in '70 and '71(?) on the W-Cars from the factory and the aluminum
cover was a dealer available option for any cutlass and 4-4-2.  The cost for
the W-27 option was $157.98 and the cover only was $57.75.
There is a fellow in our Olds club that has 2 complete units and one of them
is on his '70 W-31.  The Hemmings Motor News advertises these W-27 units for
around $2600.00 now!
Nick DiGiovanni
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
1970 4-4-2 - "Snarls Softly and Carries a Big Kick"

------------------------------

From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@direct.ca>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 11:59:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile 442 question (fwd) 

At 12:42 AM 8/9/96 -0300, you wrote:

>60's and early 70's there was an option known as W27.  From what I gather
>(and tried to find in old magazines I have) this
>
>consisted of an aluminum rear-end.  I've seen black and white pictures of
>these axles and it has a fancy aluminum cover pan
>
>but I cant' tell if the carrier housing is aluminum also.  Does anyone know
>about this?
>
>Jeff Lutz

Yes, the entire rear axle carrier and cover is aluminum.  It was only
available in '70 and '71(?) on the W-Cars from the factory and the aluminum
cover was a dealer available option for any cutlass and 4-4-2.  The cost for
the W-27 option was $157.98 and the cover only was $57.75.
There is a fellow in our Olds club that has 2 complete units and one of them
is on his '70 W-31.  The Hemmings Motor News advertises these W-27 units for
around $2600.00 now!
Nick DiGiovanni
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
1970 4-4-2 - "Snarls Softly and Carries a Big Kick"

------------------------------

From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 12:40:49 -0300
Subject: A Joke About... Re[2]: FW: Diesels

>      I *knew* I should have gotten that 260-diesel option in my '84 
>      Hurst/Olds!
>      
>      Anyone actually driven one of those 260-disels and care to admit it?


Anyone see the joke in the lates Car & Driver in the Letters section?


Q:  What's the difference between an Olds Diesel and Syphillis?

A:  You can get rid of Syphillis :)



Tim (Whose Caddy Only Diesels 'cuz of Carbon Deposits) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'88 Cadillac Brougham, a.k.a. 'Big Blue' -- Olds 307 Powered!!
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: John Harris <John.Harris@rttc.redstone.army.mil>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:28:48 -0300
Subject: 69 rear axle codes

Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 10:45:04 -0300
Message-Id: <H000018e0046f42d@MHS>
Reply-To: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 69 rear axle codes
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>>> HELO sylvester.rttc.redstone.army.mil
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 07:47:55 -0500
Subject: 69 A-body rear end codes (ATTN: Dave Pa
FROM: 
John#f#Harris/mime////////RFC-822/John#f#Harris#a#sylvester#f#rttc#f#redstone#f#army#f#mil@sylveste
TO: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
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Folks

There are a whole lot of axle codes.  I am just going to list the
anti-spin codes for the type "O" axles on A body cars.
There are two catagories.  The first is for standard equipment cars:
R3 = 2:56
SB = 2:78
SD = 3:08
SF = 3:23
TM = 3:42
TO = 3:91
TY = 4:33

The other column is for cars equipped with JL2.  In my book option JL2
was power front disk brakes.  I don't know what his has to do with the
rear end but here are the codes for A bodies with JL2
R7 = 2:56
S3 = 2:78
S5 = 3:08
S7 = 3:23
S9 = 3:42
T3 = 3:91

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From: STEE911@aol.com
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:38:15 -0300
Subject: BMW 

ANYONE KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PORCUPINE AND A BMW?


THE PORCUPINE HAS PRICKS ON THE OUTSIDE!!

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From: Richard Bonazzoli <bonazzoli@5onflr.ENET.dec.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:51:31 -0300
Subject: RE: 69 Cutlass brakes 

> Anybody have one, or some Good Ideas as to what might be causing the hard 
pedal?

I had a problem like that in a Trans AM a few years ago.  It turned out
to be plugged brake hoses.  I changed both fronts and the problem was
solved.  This was difficult to diagnose, as some fluid was getting through.
Not enough for the brakes to work correctly though.

Rich

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From: Graham Stewart <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 17:07:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Toros etc. in movies

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996 16:45:07 -0400 Dave Voorhis wrote:

> Nope.  I know "Christine".  In the movie I'm thinking of, the bad guy (or
> whatever) tools around in a black '66 Toro.  There's some nice scenes of him
> ripping around on gravel roads with the front tires spinning out.
> 
> Dave Voorhis, '66 & '67 Toros
> dave@armchair.mb.ca
> http://www.armchair.mb.ca/~dave
> 

That's right Dave.  It was only made a few years ago ... took place in a small 
town 
... evil guy drove a 66 Toro.  Some supernatural stuff, but I'm damned if I 
can 
remember the name of it.  Couldn't have been much of a movie since all we 
remember is the cars in it.  Of course a quality car (like a '66 Toro) will be 
the 
highlight a any movie it appears in.  

>From:   Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net
>Subject: Re: Movie -Reply

>There are quite a few movies
>with older cars that just get destroyed.  Seems to be a familiar trend.
>When I see a classic car in the commercials for a new film or in the first
>parts of a movie, I just assume they will demolish it by the end of the
>movie.

Yup ... Not an Olds but I'm quite fond of 71 Rivieras.  In "The Last Boy 
Scout", they 
blow one up.  In "Red Rock West" one get smashed up and the front end shot up 
at 
the end.  Kind of irritating.  

I used to rent late sixties/early seventies movies to see the cars:
In "Black Sunday", the woman terrorist helping out Bruce Dern drives a 69 
Delta 
88.  In "Sorcerer" there is a very prominant yellow 73(?) 98 in an early 
shot.  Later 
on a blue Chrysler ends up on its roof with several dead guys in it.  Not an 
Olds 
movie, but for automotive enthusiasm, nothing beats "Two-Lane Blacktop".

Maybe we have the beginnings of a database here ... 

Graham Stewart
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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From: JJF97@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:07:16 -0300
Subject: Resto  Tips  .....

Redoing an interior of a car can be very satisfying... but at times
frustraiting.

9 times out of 10, people say the headliner is the worst part.

It may take a couple of days to do, but here is a very valuable tip....

When removing your old headliner, pick one side (driver or passenger)
and front or back.  Label / number your headliner bows and install them
the same way as you removed them.  it will make the headliner job alot 
easier, as well as hang correctly!!!

Resto Corner

- --joe ferrero

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From: ngomez@iadfw.net (Nick Gomez)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 13:22:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Legislation 

I've been reading this thread for some time now, and I think it's just an
urban legend of sorts. I always read in various automotive newsgroups about
how one state or another is going to destroy all cars four years and older.
The story changes, different states and different details are used each
time.

I don't think we have anything to worry about it, if it ever came down to
it, the classic/lowrider/custom/hot rod/enthusiast community could come
together and present much opposition to any regulations. Well, that's just
my opinion. Take it easy...
Nick

      ------------------------------------------------------------------
      1965 Oldsmobile 98          TIP # 1048         Trade Live Concerts
      Dallas, Texas             MiSTie # 53344        Collect Hot Wheels
      ------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:25:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Suspension questions -Reply

I've just recieved a PST and a Kanter Auto Products catalog.  Kanter has
a polygraphite kit that seems to be more complete than PST's for less(?)
money.  Anyone ordered from Kanter?  How's the quality?  BTW,
Kanter's Polygr. kit has a lifetime warranty, while PST only has a 10 year.

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

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From: Graham Stewart <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 17:24:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile 442 question (fwd)

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:42:46 -0400  clint@boto.netherworld.org wrote:

> From: clint@boto.netherworld.org> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:42:46 -0400 
> Subject: Oldsmobile 442 question (fwd) 
> To: The Shifty Doctor Internet Fanclub <oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
> Cc: jlutz@tir.com
> 
> 

> 
> Got this from the f-body list.   Please reply to jlutz@tir.com as well as
> to this list.  I'm kinda curious meself...
> 
> Clint
>
> 60's and early 70's there was an option known as W27.  From what I gather
> (and tried to find in old magazines I have) this
> consisted of an aluminum rear-end.  I've seen black and white pictures of
> these axles and it has a fancy aluminum cover pan 
> but I cant' tell if the carrier housing is aluminum also.  Does anyone know
> about this?
> 
> Jeff Lutz

Jeff, et al.:


My 70-76 Oldsmobile Prodctions options list refers to W27 as Aluminum 
Differential Cover.  No reference to the housing ... 

Graham Stewart
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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From: Graham Stewart <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 17:24:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile 442 question (fwd)

On Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:42:46 -0400  clint@boto.netherworld.org wrote:

> From: clint@boto.netherworld.org> Date: Thu, 8 Aug 1996 23:42:46 -0400 
> Subject: Oldsmobile 442 question (fwd) 
> To: The Shifty Doctor Internet Fanclub <oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
> Cc: jlutz@tir.com
> 
> 

> 
> Got this from the f-body list.   Please reply to jlutz@tir.com as well as
> to this list.  I'm kinda curious meself...
> 
> Clint
>
> 60's and early 70's there was an option known as W27.  From what I gather
> (and tried to find in old magazines I have) this
> consisted of an aluminum rear-end.  I've seen black and white pictures of
> these axles and it has a fancy aluminum cover pan 
> but I cant' tell if the carrier housing is aluminum also.  Does anyone know
> about this?
> 
> Jeff Lutz

Jeff, et al.:


My 70-76 Oldsmobile Prodctions options list refers to W27 as Aluminum 
Differential Cover.  No reference to the housing ... 

Graham Stewart
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 17:23:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Legislation

Joanne Beausoleil wrote:
> 
> Actually, wouldn't it probably be full of cat shit?

Uhhh... Joanne?  That's NOT the sandbox you've been playing in!   ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: John Harris <John.Harris@rttc.redstone.army.mil>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:35:23 -0300
Subject: 69 rear axle codes

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Subject: 69 rear axle codes
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 96 07:47:55 -0500
Subject: 69 A-body rear end codes (ATTN: Dave Pa
FROM: 
John#f#Harris/mime////////RFC-822/John#f#Harris#a#sylvester#f#rttc#f#redstone#f#army#f#mil@sylveste
TO: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Encoding: 22 text

Folks

There are a whole lot of axle codes.  I am just going to list the
anti-spin codes for the type "O" axles on A body cars.
There are two catagories.  The first is for standard equipment cars:
R3 = 2:56
SB = 2:78
SD = 3:08
SF = 3:23
TM = 3:42
TO = 3:91
TY = 4:33

The other column is for cars equipped with JL2.  In my book option JL2
was power front disk brakes.  I don't know what his has to do with the
rear end but here are the codes for A bodies with JL2
R7 = 2:56
S3 = 2:78
S5 = 3:08
S7 = 3:23
S9 = 3:42
T3 = 3:91

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 18:04:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Definition of Word "Toronado"??

Daniel Gulino wrote:
> 
> Therefore, Toronado = "floating bull"

Yeah, heard that one.

> The fact that it can be broken down into some sort  
> of meaning in another language is just coincidence.

Actually, on my home planet, a "Ronado" is the act of kicking the crap 
out of a lesser lifeform.  As in: "Wow, he really put a ronado on that 
Altairian!"  Ergo, "To Ronado" would imply the car was designed to stomp 
the hell out of Chubbys and F*rds.  ;)

and "Fart Proudly" Spud pipped up with:

> Just a guess here, but it sounds a lot like a combination of "toro" 
> and "tornado."  So, is that a bull that ate too many beans?

Or needs it's catalytic converter replaced.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: JJF97@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:15:11 -0300
Subject: resto tip test....

i sent a resto tip today....  did everyone get it.... (i didn't)

if not i'll re-post it as well as a new one in addition.

thanks...
- --joe ferrero

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From: "AUVAX7::RILES" <RILES%AUVAX7.decnet@auscam.amd.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:25:00 -0300
Subject: RE: Movies & cars

Along this same thread, my neighbor owns the '70 GTO Judge (sorry Olds 
lovers)  seen in "Dazed and Confused", the teenage caper movie filmed in 
Austin, Tx. a couple of years ago.  BTW, it is for sale.

Robert Iles
'71 Cutlass Convertible

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 14:38:10 -0300
Subject: Canada Junkyard Part Needed 

This would be for GM, not necessarily Olds. I'm trying to locate a segment
of wiring harness which is used for Daytime Running Lamps on (at least)
full-size GM cars and possible the smaller ones as well. This is to be
retrofitted to a '93, which if built for Canada would have had it already.
I don't want to buy the universal DRL retrofit kit because the car already
has all the circuitry except the resistor (which I have) and the harness
link (which I don't).

The dealer here has tried hard to pull it out of his computer but came up 
empty. This is a short (12"?) two-wire lead linking 5-pin connector C160,
behind the left front headlamp, to the 2-lug in-line connector on the 
pigtail of the DRL resistor itself which mounts on the inside edge of the
left fender. The wires are likely 12-gauge, one tan, the other pink (I 
think). I have the pieces to make one from scratch but would have to 
kludge the in-line connector male plug for the time being.

If you might be able to help please contact me via E-mail. Thanks!

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: "AUVAX7::RILES" <RILES%AUVAX7.decnet@auscam.amd.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 15:59:00 -0300
Subject: TeSt



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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 10:59:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Introduction 

David Morton wrote:
> 
> Hello, all,
> 
> I'm new to the list, and was asked to send a little introduction, so here
> goes.  I bought a '67 Toronado about 6 months ago, the first one of these
> I've owned, and am currently using it as my daily driver.
> 
> I'm not looking forward, however, to the suspension rebuild it so badly
> needs.  The cv joints seem/sound like they're ok, but ball joints
> and misc. tie rods, etc look pretty sorry.
> 
>  Anybody have any tales to tell of doing ball joints on this type of car?  
And has anybody ever
> tried to use one of these "ball joint removers" that some rental places
> offer to remove pressed-in ball joints with the control arms still on
> the car?
> 
> Dave Morton
>
> '67 Toronado
> '66 Corvair Corsa 180
> '67 Triumph (2-wheeler)
> '62 Wurlizter

Dave:

I've got one of those '67 Toro's.  Welcome to the Toro list.  Everyone 
w/an Olds gets 1 vote 7 those w/a Toro gets 2 votes.  you are definitely 
one of the elite.  Love thet Wurlitzer too.

Just as another post today, the suspension work is dirty & thankless 
until you get it back on the road.  If you mean those 'tuning forks', 
they work fine, but be careful of tearing up boots.  The only remover 
for the ball joint that I know of is drilling out rivets & then using a 
cast cup shaped tool for beating them out.  This same tool is then used 
for hammering them back in.  I don't see why one would use this for 
taking them out when you're not worried about saving them from the 
hammer anyway.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 17:03:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Suspension questions 

Thanks for all the info guys!!! I am going to try this as soon as $$$$ is
available.

My big question was WHERE and WHAT to get. I understand the technology...

How about SQUEAKS??? Urban myth says that poly squeaks, and other have said
to use graphite grease.

I can't remember who on the list first told me about the PST poly bushings
with the graphite IN the bushing.

What kind of grease, if any, did you use and where?
How long have they been installed (miles and months/years)?
Any squeaks?


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:04:30 -0300
Subject: Re: FW: Legislation

Frank Boerger wrote:
> 
> Just remember the new Florida state motto:
> 
> "Welcome to Florida; now spend your money and go home !"

Ahhhh, yes.  Soon it'll be Labor Day and then it'll be my favorite time 
of year.  That wonderful season between the Kids and the Q-tips.   ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 17:34:37 -0300
Subject: FAQ Info Request 

The FAQ is now permanently go over 200KB.  I'm still on track to get the 2.0 
version out in a couple of weeks.

Anyone with contributions for the following, please send them to me.  You will 
be credited for providing this information.  You might also want to share them 
with the mail list.  Let me know what info you have so I can send you what I 
have.

New request:
1987-19??
o Olds straight 8, 6, 4, x cylinder engine info: Block, head, crank, other 
ids/codes/prefixes 

Recap of requests:
- ------------------
1949-1964 303, 324, 371, 394:
o DONE: Thanks Dave Paulison & Art Fuller!  49-53 Engine performance (cr, 
bore, 
stroke, hp, torque)
o DONE: Thanks Dave Paulison & Art Fuller!  Thanks 49-60 car, carb use
o 49-60 vins, block color(s)
o Block, Head, Crank, other ids/codes/prefixes

Aurora V8:
o Block, head, id, specs, performance

1964-1990 BB, SB:
o BB block info for A, B blocks: casting # id combos
o SB block info: casting # id combos, ids other than 1-5 and 2A-4B
o DONE: Thanks Tom!  Recap of 307 5A, 7A head intake usage, problems

o Detailed SB head listing: Valve sizes, applications, uniquenesses
o BB and SB port sizes: floor, roof, width, heigth

o BB, SB crank casting number, cid, year combos
o SB intake manifolds: id, cast #, year combos
o SB exhaust manifolds: id, cast #, year combos

o Piston dish volumes: BB and SB
o Manual trans: applications, ids

o W-30, W-31, W-33, W-34, W-35: 1-2 paragraph description for the overall line 
with 1-2 paragraphs describing changes/highlights for each year.

There are probably a million of these as the years progress (esp. 60's into 
70's), but what the heck!  All years, 1949 - 1990:
o Carb ids, casting numbers, applications
o Distributor id, casting number, applications

Thanks everybody!

David Brown          OCA #27978         (312) 702-9157
    Check out: www.442.com      www.oldsmobile.com
               FAQ version 2.0 due soon!

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:43:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Carb gasket

At 06:05 AM 8/9/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Hello everyone,
  Also, how tight 
>should I wrench down on the top mounting screws.  I don't have a tourque 
>wrench, or the spec's for that matter.  
> 
>                                                        Craig Dobbins.
>
The correct spec is 15 ft/lbs.  Just snug 'em up good.
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:44:33 -0300
Subject: Re: M85 and CNG

At 02:50 AM 8/7/96 -0300, you wrote:

>   M85 stands for "Methanol 85%" - it's a mixture of 15% gasoline (for 
>lubricity which straight alcohol doesn't have) and 85% Methanol.  
>                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--  

Doesn't methanol have adverse affects on aluminum (i.e. your carb)?
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:48:43 -0300
Subject: Re: something I noticed at the newstand

Greg Pruett wrote:
> 
> Some idiot put in a picture of the wrong year Toro.  

Yeah, we know.  Dorks, dorks, dorks.  What can we tell ya?

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 16:47:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Fwd: 1968 400 C.I. engine

At 02:41 AM 8/7/96 -0300, you wrote:

>Is it untrue that GM has used hardened seats since the midfifties?  
>Spud     "Fart proudly."

Yes, it is untrue.  I don't think hardened seats were used till the
seventies, when leaded gas was on it's way out...I'm sure somebody here will
have the correct info...
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: brett@actel.com
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 1996 19:37:45 -0300
Subject: Unusual Tabs on 72 Cutlass Convertible 

     
     I have a 72 Cutlass Supreme convertible with some strange plastic tabs 
     mounted on the rear seat and the rear trim panels.  They run along the 
     bottom front of the rear seating area.  They are retainers that work
     similar to the retainers that hold shoulder harnesses above the door 
     on non-convertibles of this era.  There is one on each rear side trim 
     just below the rear courtesy lamps, and there are a fesw along the 
     front bottom of the lower seat cushion.  They are lined up in such a 
     fashion that a thin sheed of plywood could be supported upright at the 
     front of the rear seat (I know it's not for this purpose, but I am 
     trying to illustrate their position).  They cannot be designed to hold 
     the seat belts, as they don't reach that far, and the buckles are too 
     wide to fit over these or would fall out the side if just slid behind 
     the flaps. 
     
     They clearly look professionally applied and most are white to match 
     the vinyl seats (I think a couple are black and slightly different).
     
     What are these for?  Any suggestions? 

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