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oldsmobile-digest         Tuesday, 20 August 1996      Volume 01 : Number 272


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From: LRoss922@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 00:04:37 -0300
Subject: Re: SENSOR(?) ON TOP OF 400 ENGINE 

The post with three hose fittings on it sounds like the Distributor Vacuum
Control Switch

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:02:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Exhaust leak

Todd Morris wrote:
> 
> 
> I'm having a real hard time determining where my LH exhaust leak is coming 
from- head pipe or
> manifold.  Can anyone suggest something I might pour down the carb to get 
some smoke to find
> the leak???
> 
> Todd Morris
> Todd:

I don't know how much room you have on the L side, but after starting 
our car from cold, you might put your hand near the head pipe, feeling 
for heat & air as the exhaust exits.  Hot air would indicate that is 
where the leak is.  Another means is a tube or stethescope to listen for 
the leak.

Automatic transmission fluid poared slowly into the carburetor will give 
smoke which might be detected as you suggest.  The trouble with this 
method is that smoke seems to go everywhere & you may get confused.  If 
the leak is big enough, you may be successful.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 19:08:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Exhaust leak

> > Todd:
>=20
> I don't know how much room you have on the L side, but after starting
> our car from cold,=20

Sorry, I didn't mean "our", I meant "out".  That must be some Freudian=20
slip of desire on my part. =20
=20
 Bill Culp
 Decatur, Alabama

- --=20
MZ=90

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From: Todd Hall <thall@en.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 00:23:04 -0300
Subject: Re: SENSOR ON TOP OF 400 ENGINE 

>   _
>  | |= <-- top (connected to vacuum advance)
>  | |= <-- center (connected to carb vacuum source)
>  | |= <-- bottom (connected to manifold vacuum source)
> _| |_
>|_____|
>_|___|_____
>
>This diagram is based on the way the one on my 350 is hooked up, and is
>subject to correction, as always!

Nice diagram Dave!

Craig:
If this is the same thing that's (supposed to be) on my '72 350, it's the
distributer vacuum control switch. 
According to the manual the correct hookup is bottom to intake vacumm
source, middle to distributer vacuum advance, and the top is a vent and
should not have anything connected to it.
The diagram in the manual also shows two electrical terminals on top of the
switch. The one on the side with the ports is labeled "from fuse panel dir
sig - back up" and the other is labeled "to transmission switch" 

That's the 350 hookup anyway, hope it helps.

J. Todd Hall
Cleveland, OH
1972 4-4-2

"If you ever drop your keys into a river of flowing lava, let 'em go,
cause man...there gone"
					- Jack Handey

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From: "Brian Lorway" <blorway@rust.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 00:29:08 -0300
Subject: W-30 Detailing Question...

My 70' W-30's color is Sherwood green... So are the Super Stock II wheels.
It's my understanding that this car's wheel color should be Argent Grey and
that it was not possible to get color keyed wheels. I have had the car for
a year and from viewing past paper work on the car it shows that it has
been repainted (Sherwood Green is the original color 48/48). Did the
previous owner have the wheels painted green or was it possible to get
color keyed wheels on a 1970 442 from the factory?

Regards,
Brian

1970 442 W-30

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From: SCOT SWANSON <SCOT442@cris.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:21:22 -0300
Subject: Starter Heat Shield 

I have heard of heat shields to protect starters from ....heat.  Especially
if there are headers involved.  I don't know that I have ever seen one.  Is
this something you purchase or fabricate?  What do they mount to (Starter
bolts, header, ? )

Trying to put it all together

Scot Swanson
Collector of assorted 68 Cutlass's

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From: CMatt95460@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:59:57 -0300
Subject: Aluminum heads 

Does anyone out there have a set of w31 aluminum heads for sale??

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From: DESIMONEP@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 03:00:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Starter Heat Shield 

Hello,

You can fabricate one, or you can purchase a shield, or you can purchase
insulating material and combine any of the above. If you put on a shield
something you might also consider is relocating the solenoid to a fender well
or other remote location. Usually the starter motor will not be affected by
normal or high heat, but the solenoid is the culprit of not engaging due to
high temperatures. If aftermarket is an option for you, there are mini high
torque starters with gear reduction that crank the engine very nicely! I have
one on my Camaro and it has endured trips through Texas summers and New York
winters where other starters had frozen up.

You also have the option of wrapping your exhaust with insulation to keep not
only the starter, but the engine compartment a lot cooler.

Phil De Simone
desimonep@aol.com
1968 Cutlass "S" Convertible

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From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@direct.ca>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 02:13:48 -0300
Subject: Re: W-30 Detailing Question... 

At 12:29 AM 8/19/96 -0300, you wrote:
>My 70' W-30's color is Sherwood green... So are the Super Stock II wheels.
>It's my understanding that this car's wheel color should be Argent Grey and
>that it was not possible to get color keyed wheels. I have had the car for
>a year and from viewing past paper work on the car it shows that it has
>been repainted (Sherwood Green is the original color 48/48). Did the
>previous owner have the wheels painted green or was it possible to get
>color keyed wheels on a 1970 442 from the factory?
>
>Regards,
>Brian
>
>1970 442 W-30

Argent Grey is the correct color for the Super Stock II wheels in '70
(except the Rallye 350 which were Sebring Yellow Code 51).  In '71 and on
they were painted the color of the car and were called Super Stock III's.  I
would think that the previous owner had the wheels painted green or got a
set of Super Stock III's from a later year.


Nick DiGiovanni
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
1970 4-4-2 - "Snarls Softly and Carries a Big Kick"

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From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 23:56:38 -0300
Subject: 1968-69 olds parts wanted!!!! 

Hello all,
  I need a few things for my '68 442 convertable and I though maybe someone 
out there could help me.  I need both rear wheel well trims (stainless steel 
- - '68 or '69  I think????), a VG condition front grill ('68), a passenger 
side tail light assembly ('68, red plastic assembly), and the pop metal trim 
('68) 6-inch pieces that go at the very front of my stainless steel trim that 
runs the length of my car (top of fender, door, and quarter).  The pop metal 
is the part that goes right down near the headlights.  

                                            Please respond if selling,
                                              Craig Dobbins  

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From: Joanne Beausoleil <jbeausol@ftp.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:37:14 -0300
Subject: RE: And We're Off  Was: Toothbrush

I would think that there is a sense of camaraderie on this list, =
especially between the people who have been on the longest, and have =
contributed
the most. I think that is what is being witnessed here.. it's just =
camaraderie, so
lighten up. Some of you are worse than a bunch of old ladies crabbing at =
a quilting! :)


- ----------
From: 	JK McCall[SMTP:jkmccall@clic.net]
Sent: 	Friday, August 16, 1996 8:00 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: And We're Off  Was: Toothbrush

mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
>=20
> I guess my reply is this is why God gave us a delete button. If I =
don't want to
> read it, I simply push delete.
>=20
> Art Fuller


Entertaining:

What started out as a couple of guys just kidding, one complaint and all =

this bandwidth dedicated to this subject.  Go figure....  Domino effect?

Joe McCall

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From: DELPROPO@emuvax.emich.edu
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:48:35 -0300
Subject: RE: W-30 Detailing Question... 

To my understanding the wheels on all cars except the Rallys and Pace Cars were
painted the gray color. Most people like to match then to the car, and is the
reason you see many painted as you do including your Olds.  

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From: Doug Ahern <doug@cobra.cosmic.uga.edu>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:51:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Flow Master Mufflers

while considering mufflers, keep the turbo style muffler in mind.
Generally, they sound very good, and provide minimum back pressure
(and cost half that of a flowmaster or a Dynomax).

The Sonic turbos are loud, as are the thrush turbos  (not as loud
as the flow masters).  Hooker and Walker make a turbo,  Midas does
too (its quiet compared to the others).  

Turbos generally cost between $16 and $35.

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From: Blair Rendell <brendell@pi.pro.ec>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:52:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Starter Heat Shield 

At 02:21 AM 8/19/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I have heard of heat shields to protect starters from ....heat.  Especially
>if there are headers involved.  I don't know that I have ever seen one.  Is
>this something you purchase or fabricate?  What do they mount to (Starter
>bolts, header, ? )
>
>Trying to put it all together
>
>Scot Swanson
>Collector of assorted 68 Cutlass's
>
>
>Scot:
  There is a shield available through Year One Inc., Tucker, Ga. Its a metal
cover that mounts over the solenoid and protects it from heat soak.
Year One has a catalogue specifically for Cutlass/442 and it is full of high
quality resto. items. Their toll free # is 800-950-9503 in the USA or
CANADA! I have had good service from this company so far.  Hope this helps!
Blair Rendell>

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From: DELPROPO@emuvax.emich.edu
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:53:49 -0300
Subject: RE: 1968-69 olds parts wanted!!!! 

I think I can help you. We currently have One to two complete trime sets for
the 68-69 cutlass. We also have two sets of wheel well trim and side and rear
- -backup and tial light units. If interested     call Don Dell at     
                          (810) 227-3086 Michigan .....Prices are very
                                                       reasonable

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:04:17 -0300
Subject: Re: W-30 Detailing Question...

Brian,
It is my understanding from reading and observation, that the different 
colored 
wheels didn't come about until '71. Therefore, your wheels should be the 
silver, 
or grey color.

Art Fuller

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:14:47 -0300
Subject: Re: GEN light (again!)

Dave Paulison wrote:
> 
> It glows dimly at all times when the engine is running.  

At all speeds or only at idle?

> I put the gauge cluster back in, I added a ground wire to ensure that 
> the ground to the metal case was unbroken.  

Can't hurt.

> I have recently replaced the alternator (diodes were fried) and voltage
> regulator (on the parts counter guys advice).  

Not a bad practice.  When the alternator goes, it often screws the 
regulator so I'd agree with the parts guy.  It's better than eating 
the battery or another altenator.

> I don't really know what else to check.  

Dave,

Tough to tell for sure what your chasing without a meter.  If you can 
borrow one, you should measure .5 to 1.5 volts higher across the battery 
at a fast idle over what the battery measures with the car off.  Will 
your car parts guy test your charging system for you?  If you can prove 
it's charging OK, then you know you have a problem with the GEN indicator 
circuitry.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Michael Blennerhassett <blenner@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:17:27 -0300
Subject: Re:  problems w/ Toro 425

This proceeds soooo slowly - thanks to all for suggestions so far.  The 
machine shop did not touch my car after I went to Montreal;grrrr; now I'm 
back and bugging them.  They now believe everything is correct externally 
(ie, timing, vacuum leaks).  The rebuilt carb is no different from the 
origninal Q-jet is no different from the Holley......

The best suggestion so far (assuming that the timing chain is indexed 
correctly) is the wrong camshaft - Toro 425 is not the same as the other 
425s.

OK - here's the problem:  The machine shop is checking the cam specs that
they ordered, and they are aware of the issue.  BUT maybe it _is_ the
correct Toro cam, but is it a Toro engine?  yeah, its in a Toro, but how
to verify the block?! I had the car since 1983, and it sure looks like its
right, but how to tell for sure? 

Can anyone help in this; I did not see the answer in the FAQ?

Thanks.  


Michael and size 8 running shoes
 

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From: Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:47:59 -0300 
Subject: Re: 1987 olds tornado trofeo

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>

>I think this was the first year of a different body style.  It and the '88
had a
>sort of short trunk that was lengthened in '89, I beleive.  For my 2 cents,
I
>think the short trunk makes the car look better.  Also beleive the stiffest
>suspension factory available was the FE3 option - should have a red FE3
emblem
>on trunk.  Nice looking car -sweet!  Go for it!

The local OCA chapter (IVOC) had a car show this weekend and I had a chance
to look over a Trofeo pretty good.  I was impressed with the '90 model shown.
There was a small CRT looking display mounted where the radio should have
been.  Is this some kind of informational display?  What info does it show?

Regarding the show.  I was going to take my 442 to its first OCA judged
show but chickened out when the forecast for rain went to 90% Sunday
morning.  Should have taken it though as I probably would have won
my class, as it would have been the only '70 442 there... :-)

Decided to take the long way home after the show and stumbled on
another car show at a Hooters in Orland Park.  There was only one
Olds there, a '70 442 W-30 convertible.  Got a good look at his
repo ram air flapper assembly.  It looked real cheezy.  Although
it did the job, it was nowhere near correct looking.

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442 4-Speed

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From: Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 10:59:11 -0300 
Subject: Re: Hood Insulation Pad

From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@direct.ca>

>I once read somewhere that the reason the hood insulation pads had those
>plastic clips was so that they would melt in a underhood fire and cause the
>pad to fall and smother the fire.  Those clips supposidely melt at a
>specific temp and the pad is made of some asbestos-type material that does
>not burn easily.  Has anyone else heard of this?

I had a new car salesman use this as a selling feature once.  I doubt it
would
work very well, as you'd need all the clips to melt for it to fall on the
engine,
and even then the air cleaner, fan shroud, etc would prop it up in places...

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:04:21 -0300
Subject: RE: Aluminum heads

W31 heads are not aluminum but I have set of Batten aluminum heads I can sell 
you.

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From: 	CMatt95460@aol.com[SMTP:CMatt95460@aol.com]
Sent: 	Monday, August 19, 1996 1:59 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Cc: 	CMatt95460@aol.com
Subject: 	Aluminum heads

Does anyone out there have a set of w31 aluminum heads for sale??

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From: Jon442@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:10:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Flow Master Mufflers 

In a message dated 96-08-16 15:49:52 EDT, you write:

<< I want your opinions on Flow Masters.  One guy already said that he
 thought 2 chamber Flow Masters were too loud for street use.   >>

I put dual exhaust and a pair of Flowmasters on my '92 GMC dually. They made
a night and day difference in the performance, but they were LOUD. I took the
Flowmasters off and put stock mufflers back on. Lost the performance I had
gained, but at least I could stand to drive it!

Jon

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From: Jon442@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:10:51 -0300
Subject: Re: 1972 H/O 

In a message dated 96-08-18 01:40:14 EDT, you write:

<< I'm restoring a 1972 H/O, I think it is a W-30 car, because it has an x in
 the vin #.
 Does anyone know about this and how many were made? Should it have an
 aluminum intake manifold? Also I am looking for the metal trim for the vinyl
 top, can anyone help?
 Steve
  >>

Steve;

Yes, the "x" does indicate a W30 car. I don't know how many were made
exactly, but it is my understanding that it was only a handful. They are
quite rare. It should have the aluminum intake. 

Send me email and I'll tell you how to join the H/O Club of America. We have
a '72 advisor that can probably answer your questions for you.

Jon Wessel
Director
Hurst/Olds Club of America

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From: bryce_smith@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:22:07 -0300
Subject: RE: Shifting 

>>At 05:44 PM 8/16/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>>Just get a adjustable modulator valve and away you go
>>
>>Who sells them?  Jeg's?  Fusicks?

You should be able to get one at any old auto parts place. I got the one
for my TH400 at an auto parts store up the street. They stock 'em.

          Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '70 Cutlass Convertible
           Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

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From: Michael Blennerhassett <blenner@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 12:00:17 -0300
Subject: RE: Shifting

On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Bryceman wrote:

> >>>Just get a adjustable modulator valve and away you go


I think they're great too.  Even us folks with 66 Toro's use'em:  allen
key, a few turns back and forth, to see what happens...  Never did
anything heroic with WOT out of respect for the drive train, but should be
possible. 

Michael 

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 12:30:06 -0300
Subject: Re: 1972 H/O

>Lskynyrd21@aol.com wrote:
>> 
>> I'm restoring a 1972 H/O, I think it is a W-30 car, because it has an x in
>> the vin #.
>> Does anyone know about this and how many were made? Should it have an
>> aluminum intake manifold? Also I am looking for the metal trim for the vinyl
>> top, can anyone help?
>> Steve

The 72 H/O came with Rallye Suspension, dual exhausts, power front disc
brakes and a 3:23:1 axle ratio.  All were equipped with Turbo-Hydro Matic,
shifted through a Hurst Dual Gate Unit. Oldsmobile's 455 cubic inch, regular
fuel V-8 was standard. Hurst made few modifications to the engines on the
production cars, but the Oldsmobile W-30 high performance V-8 could be
specified by the buyer.  The W-30 cars came with a 3:42:1 rear axle and
anti-spin differential----from the book titled Hurst Heritage.
499 Hurst/Olds hardtops and 130 convertibles were made. 220 hardtops had
sunroofs. The W-30 specs are as follows. 4bbl, 8.5 compression, 270hp@4400
and 370torque@3200----from a 442 databook.
Hope this helps......
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1980  4-4-2 W-30....1 of 886 produced                                       
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25....H/OCA #0278A               
1988 Camaro IROC Z/28...salvage yard special
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:47:41 -0300
Subject: Re: 1987 olds tornado trofeo 

>There was a small CRT looking display mounted where the radio should have
>been. Is this some kind of informational display?  What info does it show?

I think it _is_ a CRT. The Rivieras had them, too. It shows the usual
stuff in graphic form -- HVAC, sound system... Fan speed is shown with
a little spinning fan symbol...

The most interesting part (this is what I remember from reading about the
Riviera; I assume the Trofeo would be similar if it has the same unit) was
debug mode, of course. Trigger it by, um... oh, heck, I forget. Holding
down "OFF" and "WARMER" as you turn the ignition on is a common method,
but a service manual will say for sure. Anyway, that gets you into a bunch
of readout screens for various feedback: throttle position, a 130 mph
speedo display, etc.

Wait, I remember something about holding down a button until you hear four
beeps, maybe that was how you get into debug mode... sigh... anyone know?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:10:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Transmission gear ratio -Reply 

>>>> Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net> 08/16/96 12:14pm >>>
>At 06:36 PM 8/16/96 -0300, you wrote:
>
>>> What does a tornado and a divorce have in commom in GA?
>>>  >> When one comes through someone is going to loose a house
>trailer.
>>
>>You spelled Toronado wrong.
>
>I think he possibly _meant_ to spell it tornado.  Maybe he's just a bit
>confused about the name of the car -- it's an Oldsmobile Toronado, not
>Tornado.
>--
>Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
>dpauliso@metrolink.net

Am I the only one that get's this?  It has nothing to do with Oldsmobile. 
He was talking about a real tornado, ya know, twister, cyclone, funnel
cloud...  It's a joke that likely sprung up after that twister ripped through
those trailer parks back east a few years back.  I didn't know that there
were tornados in GA, though...

- -Blaine

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 06:11:40 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Flow Master Mufflers 

     Does anyone know if there has ever been a comparison between all the 
     different turbo mufflers out there?  Say a magazine article that 
     tested them and gave flow rate (CFM) and volume (decibels) at idle and 
     WOT while installed on a test car would be ideal.
     
     If not, maybe I should write an editor or two and ask!
     
     Tom L.


______________________________ Reply Separator 
_________________________________
Subject: Re: Flow Master Mufflers
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    8/19/96 6:04 AM


while considering mufflers, keep the turbo style muffler in mind. 
Generally, they sound very good, and provide minimum back pressure 
(and cost half that of a flowmaster or a Dynomax).
     

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From: STEE911@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:20:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Compression Check 

on a standard ign you can remove the coil wire from the dist and ground it or
disconnect the pos wire from the coil==on HEI you just disconnect the B+ lead
from the dist==a comp check can tell you how equal the cylinders are in
producing power ==they should all be within 10-15% of each other or what your
manual says==also if two cyls next to each other have low comp you might have
a blown head gasket==when doing the comp check you need to remove all the
plugs to get a accurate check==you can also do a combination comp and
leakdown check if you have the right gauge

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From: STEE911@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:42:28 -0300
Subject: unsubscribe olds 

please remove me from the auto responder list
i love all the info but dont have the time right now to read and reply to it
all

just like arnold said

"I'LL BE BACK!!"

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From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:52:09 -0300
Subject: Toroheads, you gotta read this! 

Well, guys (and gals), I went to check out that '66 Toro Saturday...  And I
have decided that I would take the Toro over the '69 Cutlass any day, no
matter what the cost!  I'm afraid to tell you all the details, lest one or all 
of
you come flyin' out here to buy it out from under me =-).  As soon as I get
the financing, I'll let you all know.  For now, I'll just say that the old man
wasn't lying.  In fact, he grossly understated the condition of the car.  It
has everything he said and more!   *And*, I think I can get it for a fraction
of it's worth!  You've just found yourselves another Torohead...

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme 
'66 Toronado (very soon now, hopefully)

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From: Doug <mcclan@wsdot.wa.gov>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:05:07 -0300
Subject: (no subject)

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:14:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Toroheads, you gotta read this!

Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:
> 
> ...I have decided that I would take the Toro over the '69 Cutlass any 
> day, no matter what the cost!  

Hey, Blaine.  WE LOVE YA MAN!

> You've just found yourselves another Torohead...

Toro... Toro... Toro...
OK, now everybody!

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Paul Bartlett <bartletp@osshe.edu>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:19:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Toroheads, you gotta read this!

THIS IS REALLY EXCITING!!!  Maybe another '66 Toronado owner!  I sure hope
it works out.  There's just something about the barrel speedometer, the
dual snorkel air cleaner that says "Toronado" on it, and the retractable
headlamps.  Oh, and chrome wheels too -- they seem to be pretty rare. 
Do you really want those chrome wheels, or could I have them...  Okay, I'm
a little envious...



  > > Well, guys (and gals), I went to check out
that '66 Toro Saturday...  And I > have decided that I would take the Toro
over the '69 Cutlass any day, no > matter what the cost!  I'm afraid to
tell you all the details, lest one or all of > you come flyin' out here to
buy it out from under me =-).  As soon as I get > the financing, I'll let
you all know.  For now, I'll just say that the old man > wasn't lying.  In
fact, he grossly understated the condition of the car.  It > has
everything he said and more!  *And*, I think I can get it for a fraction >
of it's worth!  You've just found yourselves another Torohead... > >
- -Blaine > '72 Cutlass Supreme > '66 Toronado (very soon now, hopefully)
> 
> 
> 


- -- 
Paul Bartlett
Internal Audit Division
Oregon State System of Higher Education
PO Box 488, Corvallis OR 97339-0488

Phone (503) 737-0510
E-mail bartletp@osshe.edu

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:53:38 -0300
Subject: Re: 442s and other flying objects

Blair Rendell wrote:
> 
> Hello from Quito, Ecuador in South America! 

Hey, Blair -- hello from Tampa, Florida.

> I am Canadian from the province of  Newfoundland (Iceberg Alley) ...

Geez, you're a long way from home!

> I work here in Ecuador and am an OLDS fanatic since age 14 in 1971 

I gather the car is still up in the tundra.

> I have all the GM documentation for it from the GM historical records 
> and it shows the option list: 

Very cool!

> Car will be DRIVEN on nice days. I am looking forward to cruising next
> summer and giving my brothers' 1968 Shelby GT 500 convertible a run for 
> his $$$. ;)

Send picture of his face.

> I just don't know WHERE he got off course...FORD!!...

Really.  I'm stuck with maintanining my wife's Lincoln.  
Talk about living up your name!  Fix-or-Repair-Daily for sure.

Good to have you along.  While I'm one of the (many and increasing) 
Toronado guys myself, but I'm sure the other Cutlass/442 owners will be 
happy to add you to their ranks.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:56:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Transmission gear ratio -Reply

Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:
> 
> Am I the only one that get's this?  It has nothing to do with 
> Oldsmobile.  He was talking about a real tornado, ya know, twister, 
> cyclone, funnel cloud...  It's a joke ...

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....

> I didn't know that there were tornados in GA, though...

Sure there are.  They got Cutlasses, too.   ;)

The 66 Twister and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: bryce_smith@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:00:57 -0300
Subject: Olds Today 

Hey, I just got my August issue of Olds Today (The corporate newsletter).
On the back page they always have a few classified ads, get a load of this
one...

1972 442 W-30. Convertible, automatic, loaded, 1993 OCA Best of Class.
Absolutely authentic factory original W-30 convertible with matching
numbers and fully documented. $43,000. Steven Hemminghaus. (414) 233-2221

That's FORTYTHREE THOUSAND DOLLARS. I thought I would post the ad in case
anyone on the list is seeking one of these. Har Har!


          Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '70 Cutlass Convertible
           Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

------------------------------

From: bryce_smith@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:09:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Toroheads, you gotta read this! 

>Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:
>>
>> ...I have decided that I would take the Toro over the '69 Cutlass any
>> day, no matter what the cost!
>
>Hey, Blaine.  WE LOVE YA MAN!
>

This reminds me of a question I wanted to ask...
I ran into (met) this guy over the weekend who was cruising around Topeka
in a '65 442 powered by a fresh 455, topped with and aluminum Edelbrock
intake and dual 4V carbs.
I pulled the guy over and started gabbing Olds stuff with him when he said
something to the effect of...  "yeah, I've been looking for one of those
rare factory dual 4bbl intakes which came on some Toronados"  I winced a
little bit but didnt say anything. This guy is full of it, right? I've
never heard of anything like that.

          Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '70 Cutlass Convertible
           Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

------------------------------

From: Blair Rendell <brendell@pi.pro.ec>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 15:17:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Transmission gear ratio -Reply 

At 05:56 PM 8/19/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:
>> 
>> Am I the only one that get's this?  It has nothing to do with 
>> Oldsmobile.  He was talking about a real tornado, ya know, twister, 
>> cyclone, funnel cloud...  It's a joke ...
>
>Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....
>
>> I didn't know that there were tornados in GA, though...
>
>Sure there are.  They got Cutlasses, too.   ;)
>
>The 66 Twister and Mike
>
>
>-- 
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
>
>
>I I DID get it as well...read it twice.. cute.... ;)  Blair Rendell
>  71 442 W30

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:47:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Toroheads, you gotta read this!

Bryceman wrote:
> 
> ...in a '65 442 powered by a fresh 455, topped with and aluminum 
> Edelbrock intake and dual 4V carbs.

> "yeah, I've been looking for one of those rare factory dual 4bbl 
> intakes which came on some Toronados"

Must be VERY rare.  I've never heard of it which, while that's not proof 
of much, it might explain why he's still looking for it.  Maybe Sparky 
has something in the archives on one of the wierd ones.  I don't even 
think you could get a Toro hood down over an Edelbrock.

The 66 Toro and Mike  (Auntie Em!  Auntie Em!  It a Toro!  It's a Toro!)


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: Doug <mcclan@wsdot.wa.gov>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:18:13 -0300
Subject: attention list owner only

I tried to unsub from the list server and found out 
that my employer had changed my address ...but 
Oldsmobile-owner continues to forward mail to me 
from my old address.  The problem is that I can't 
unsubscribe from the list with my new address (it's 
controlled by a computer program).  Am I stuck in a 
perpetual e-mail loop or can you help me?
- -----------------
From: Trent MacDougall
To: mcclan
Subject: Re: Majordomo results: (no subject)
Date: Monday, August 19, 1996 3:34PM

>Your current address mcclan@wsdot.wa.gov does not 
>match mcclan@mail.wsdot.wa.gov so your request 
>will have to be approved by the list owner. If you 
>continue to have probelms, send me mail.

> Trent MacDougall @ Dalhousie University, MSCS 
>Dept.  trent@cs.dal.ca----------
>>Why isn't my unsubscribe request working?

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:16:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Today

Bryceman wrote:
> 
> 1972 442 W-30. Convertible, automatic, loaded, 1993 OCA Best of Class.
> Absolutely authentic factory original W-30 convertible with matching
> numbers and fully documented. $43,000. Steven Hemminghaus. 

Hmmm...  Let's see if Steve's barn just happens to burn down in the next 
couple of months.

	"Hello?  State Farm?  About my car insurance..."

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:25:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Today

Bryce,
Steve has never had anything cheap. If you went to the St. Louis Nats. you 
might 
have seen the triple white 70 W30 convt. He got 987 points at showing. He had 
spent $63,000 on the car. I think he sold it for $43,000 a year or so later. 
My 
comment to him was if I spent $63,000 on a restoral I would go back to whoever 
did the work and have him justify to me why I lost 13 points.

Art Fuller

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 11:32:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Toroheads, you gotta read this!

Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:
> 
> Well, guys (and gals), I went to check out that '66 Toro Saturday...  And I
> have decided that I would take the Toro over the '69 Cutlass any day, no
> matter what the cost!  For now, I'll just say that the old man
> wasn't lying.  In fact, he grossly understated the condition of the car.   
You've just found yourselves another Torohead...
> 
> -Blaine
> '


Blaine:

Don't forget we helped.  You must remember us in your will.  
Congradulations to all of us.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:43:19 -0300
Subject: Twin Quads

Don't think the Toro ever offered twin quads. Would have been tough due 
to the low hoodline. Maybe the fellow had it confused with the Buick 
Riviera twin quad option that was offered in '65.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:40:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Today

On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Bryceman wrote:
> 1972 442 W-30. Convertible, automatic, loaded, 1993 OCA Best of Class.
> Absolutely authentic factory original W-30 convertible with matching
> numbers and fully documented. $43,000. Steven Hemminghaus. (414) 233-2221
> 
> That's FORTYTHREE THOUSAND DOLLARS. I thought I would post the ad in case
> anyone on the list is seeking one of these. Har Har!

Yes, this has been in JWO for several months now. I have to be careful 
how I say this, because I don't want to be unfair to Mr. Hemminghaus. But 
I think he's crazy. I mentioned the JWO version of this ad here a few 
months back.

My friends Brian and Steve actually visited him a few years ago.  Theey 
left with mixed reviews. Nice stuff, but something a little "off" about 
all of it... cars that win shows but have seized brakes or are  not 
running for various reasons.... and yet since he is a quadriplegic, you 
have to imagine just what he has to go thru to even try and have any of 
this stuff in order.  But regardless, $43K for any kind of '72 Cutlass is 
insane. Not surprised he still has it for sale all these months later. 
You gotta wonder sometimes....

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:26:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Transmission gear ratio -Reply

At 01:10 PM 8/19/96 -0300, you wrote:

>>I think he possibly _meant_ to spell it tornado.  Maybe he's just a bit
>>confused about the name of the car -- it's an Oldsmobile Toronado, not
>>Tornado.
>>Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
>>dpauliso@metrolink.net
>
>Am I the only one that get's this?  It has nothing to do with Oldsmobile. 
>He was talking about a real tornado, ya know, twister, cyclone, funnel
>cloud...  
>-Blaine

Well I figured it might have had _something_ to do with a tornado; I just
thought it was Olds related...
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 12:01:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Today

Bryceman wrote:
> 
> Hey, I just got my August issue of Olds Today (The corporate newsletter).
> On the back page they always have a few classified ads, get a load of this
> one...
> 
> 1972 442 W-30. Convertible, automatic, loaded, 1993 OCA Best of Class.
> Absolutely authentic factory original W-30 convertible with matching
> numbers and fully documented. $43,000. Steven Hemminghaus. (414) 233-2221
> 
>  I thought I would post the ad in case
> anyone on the list is seeking one of these. Har Har!
> 
>          Those guys & their dreams.  He is probably trying to show off that 
he 
has a fine car.  Around here there are quite a few fine cars 
w/astronomical prices that will never do anything but impress some 
novices w/the idea that every dusty car is a gold mine.

We have several of the various GM "collector's editions", "commemorative 
models", "last built", "one of a kind", "only one in existance", etc., 
etc. which will never be of any real value in any reasonable time.  No 
one locally takes these cars seriously at all.

The real cars take some looking & do appear usually at respectable 
prices.  There is little reason to fool w/those overpriced things to me.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 12:06:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Toroheads, you gotta read this!

Bryceman wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> This reminds me of a question I wanted to ask...
> I ran into (met) this guy over the weekend who was cruising around Topeka
> in a '65 442 powered by a fresh 455, topped with and aluminum Edelbrock
> intake and dual 4V carbs.
> I pulled the guy over and started gabbing Olds stuff with him when he said
> something to the effect of...  "yeah, I've been looking for one of those
> rare factory dual 4bbl intakes which came on some Toronados"  I winced a
> little bit but didnt say anything. This guy is full of it, right? I've
> never heard of anything like that.
> 
>            Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com


My Toronado doesn't even have room for a regular Olds intake or air 
cleaner.  I don't know how one could get 2 carburetors under that low 
hood.  I understood that GM didn't build multiple carbureted cars 
(except Corvettes) after 1967.  In other words he doesn't know what he 
is talking about.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:17:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Exhaust leak

Lloyd Culp wrote:
> 

> 
> I don't know how much room you have on the L side, but after starting
> our car from cold, you might put your hand near the head pipe, feeling
> for heat & air as the exhaust exits.  Hot air would indicate that is
> where the leak is.  Another means is a tube or stethescope to listen for
> the leak.

Bill;

Very good advice.
> 
> Automatic transmission fluid poared slowly into the carburetor will give
> smoke which might be detected as you suggest.  The trouble with this
> method is that smoke seems to go everywhere & you may get confused.  If
> the leak is big enough, you may be successful.
> 

I have also used WD-40 also. Works well. However, if there is more than one 
leak, the 
engine comparmemnt gets all smoky, as you say, and it becomes hard to tell the 
origin.

Sparky

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:06:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Today 

> 1972 442 W-30. Convertible, automatic, loaded, 1993 OCA Best of Class.
> Absolutely authentic factory original W-30 convertible with matching
> numbers and fully documented. $43,000. Steven Hemminghaus. (414) 233-2221

Let's be charitable and say that he may well have put $43K into it, and
would like to get his investment back. Maybe he will. Where else is he
getting a $43K figure from, otherwise? Methinks he just added up all his
receipts.

Speaking of collectibles, I grabbed an oddball Delorean item at a garage
sale yesterday: An "owner's kit" (or something like that; forget the exact
wording) for detailing Your New Delorean; it consisted of three bottles of
cleaner, wax and interior leather conditioner, and a plastic scrubbing pad
which you were supposed to use to blend in any scuff marks your stainless
steel panels might pick up. The products were perfect and the cardboard
gift box they came in was pretty good -- even had a cheesy photocopied
instruction sheet on Delorean stationery enclosed -- so I plonked down a
couple of bucks and figured I'd find a Delorean collector who's interested.
If anyone knows of one who might be, forward this to 'em...

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:52:33 -0300
Subject: Re: SENSOR ON TOP OF 400 ENGINE

At 09:07 PM 8/18/96, you wrote:
>Dave,
>  Thanks for the info.  My only other question is where on the distributor, 
>carb, and manifold does it attach.  There's one vacuum on the rear of the 
>distributor, but this goes to my air cleaner.  Also, would this affect the 
>performance of the engine at all (not having them hooked up like that)?

My carb is a four barrel, and the vacuum line connects to the front left of
it.  There's a small brass colored tube there that the vacuum line goes
onto.  My intake manifold has a small brass fitting screwed into it on the
#5 runner (behind the carb).  It has a connection for a vacuum line on it.
The distrubutor has a small canister (2" round?) on the right rear of it,
right below the distrubutor cap.  There is a connector for one vacuum line
on the canister.  Don't know how the air cleaner vacuum connection figures
in.  That is the way my 350 is; your engine (a 400, yes?) may be different.
Someone else posted different routing for the vacuum lines.  He said the
bottom goes to the manifold vacuum, middle goes to the distributor, and top
is left disconnected (a vent).  He also mentioned some electrical
connections.  Mine has no electrical connections, and all three ports are
used on the switch.  I suspect yours would be more similar to mine than his,
as the connections he posted were for a '72 350.  I believe the '68 and '69
engines are more like each other than they are like the '72 engine (with
regard to the vacuum hose routing and pollution controls).

Hope this helps you!
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

------------------------------

From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:57:54 -0300
Subject: Re: GEN light (again!)

At 01:14 PM 8/19/96 -0300, you wrote:

>At all speeds or only at idle?

Yup, every one of 'em.

>>I added a ground wire 
>Can't hurt.

Nope..

>Dave,
>
>you should measure .5 to 1.5 volts higher across the battery 
>at a fast idle over what the battery measures with the car off.

Checked that a couple weeks ago...got ~11.8v with car off, ~13.8v - 14.0v
with engine running.

>Will 
>your car parts guy test your charging system for you?

I think so...I'll have to check!
>

>If you can prove 
>it's charging OK, then you know you have a problem with the GEN indicator 
>circuitry.

Umm..do you (or anybody else) know the circuit for the GEN light?
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

------------------------------

From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 09:58:55 -0300
Subject: RE: Shifting

At 11:22 AM 8/19/96 -0300, you wrote:

>You should be able to get one at any old auto parts place. I got the one
>for my TH400 at an auto parts store up the street. They stock 'em.
>bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com
>
OK, I'll look around locally first.  Thanks!
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

------------------------------

From: "AUVAX7::RILES" <RILES%AUVAX7.decnet@auscam.amd.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:39:00 -0300
Subject: Show Judging/Catagories

To anyone,

Can anyone fill me in on OCA show catagories and judging?  What are they and 
how are 
cars judged?  Thanks in advance for all replies.

- -Robert Iles
'71 Cutlass Convertible
Austin, Tx.

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:53:44 -0300
Subject: FAQ Requests - Thanks 

Thanks for the info, Jeff Hunter, Blaine Sanders, Dave Paulison, Greg 
Beaulieu, 
Bob Barry and Jason Labey!  It's going into the FAQ soon.

???? - Thanks for the 330 casting number correction.

DAVE PAULISON - Thanks for the correction.

ED ATLEE - Thanks for the 350 color info.

BILL CULP - RE: "I have the Motor's Repair Manual covering the years 
1935-1950 & the 1965 manual covering the years 1958-1965."

Any data on the engines available (& manufacturer if not Olds), bore & 
stroke, power levels & carbs, ids and codes and vins that distinguish 
heads, blocks among the years to fill out charts, sections like these:

1956:
88            324   9.25-1   230@4400  340@2400    4 bbl
Super 88/98   324   9.25-1   240@4400  350@2800    4 bbl


- ----- Block ID/Codes -----
            Engine          Casting
Year(s)     Series    CID   Number    Color
- -------     ------    ---   -------   -----


HEADS 1949 - 1964
- ----- Identifying the Head -----
- ----- Head ID/Codes, Casting Numbers -----
- ----- Head Detailed Listing -----
- ----- Intake, Exhaust Port Sizes -----
- ----- Combustion Chambers, CC's, Interchange -----


If you could type the info in, I'll incorporate it into the FAQ.  Mail me 
direct so I can send you what I have on these sections.  Thanks!

David Brown          OCA #27978         (312) 702-9157
    Check out: www.442.com      www.oldsmobile.com
               FAQ version 2.0 due soon!

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:58:47 -0300
Subject: My Trip to Fusick's - Not!

Last weekend I decided to spend a few days of my vacation taking the Olds 
down to Conneticut to see the sights and visit Fusick's to let my credit 
card get a little exercise. Alas, it was not to be...

Left on Saturday morning and the Olds wasn't running bad. About 250 miles 
into the trip, my tick (which I had always thought was a lifter) 
returned, first mildly, then much louder than before, so that it would 
best be described as a clattering sound in the top of the engine. I 
stopped in the nearest town to check the oil... seemed fine, but I threw 
a can of Rislone Concentrate in it to see if it would help. It did, a 
little, so I continued on and spent the night in Bangor, Maine. Tooling 
around Bangor on Saturday night the tick was still there but was not so bad.

Sunday morning I started heading to Freeport and Portland, Maine. I stopped
in Freeport and did a little outlet shopping, then continued towards
Portland. Arriving there, the car was not at all happy and seemed to be
running on only 7 cylinders... down on power and even a bit of vibration
on the highway. Visions of needing an engine rebuild while on the road
struck fear into my heart and I decided to turn around and head for home.
Driving home the next day the car ran OK at times, sometimes without any
tick or vibration, while at other times it was as it was earlier. I got
home last Monday night and let the car sit until Friday.  I was so p.o.'ed
by the whole thing that I didn't want to go near it. On Friday I took it
out and it ran fine. Same all weekend while I was running around town with
Jim Chermack of the list who was here visiting... no tick, no vibration,
no problem at all and lots of power again. 

I'm baffled. Could it be an oil issue? I've been using 10W-30 and this 
latest batch is Quaker State, though I normally use Valvoline. Think 
10W-40 might help? Since it seems to be related to long runs maybe the 
oil is thinning or otherwise not fully pumping up the lifters over long 
hauls. Keep in mind the lifters are new as of about 6 weeks ago. I think 
I might make an investment in rockers and pedestals, and maybe pushrods 
too, if this keeps up. But an oil change to a different grade is a lot 
cheaper at this point. At least my credit card is happy... so far.

And I really wanted that "Oldsmobile" accessory trunk mat that Fusick's 
had waiting for me... :(

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:23:43 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Toroheads, you gotta read this! 

Bryceman wrote:
 "yeah, I've been looking for one of those
> rare factory dual 4bbl intakes which came on some Toronados"  I winced a 
> little bit but didnt say anything. This guy is full of it, right? I've
> never heard of anything like that. ... I understood that GM didn't 
build multiple carbureted cars (except Corvettes) after 1967.  In other 
words he doesn't know what he is talking about.

          I believe the guy was refering to the Riviera, which was 
          available with dual quads in the first year or so (circa 
          1964-65).  And yes, Bill Culp is correct.  Only Corvettes 
          were allowed to sprout multiple carbs from 1967-on.  Thus 
          the premature end to the L-69 442 and the "three dueces and 
          a four speed" GTO (apologies to Ronnie and the Daytonas).
          
          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
          
          66 442 (with tripower in the trunk, for now)
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:21:48 -0300
Subject: Re: My Trip to Fusick's - Not!

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> Driving home the next day the car ran OK at times, sometimes without 
> any tick or vibration, while at other times it was as it was earlier.

This may be a long shot but I had almost the exact problem in a old D*dge 
van of mine.  Sometimes it ticked, sometimes it didn't.  Sometimes it 
clattered, sometimes it didn't.  Sometime it ran like crap, sometimes it 
ran like new.  After much searching, ended up finding a screwed-up 
ignition wire.  The connector at the plug end, under the boot, was all 
booggered up.  Easy to see once you know where to look.  Apparently the 
bad connection caused the plug fire/not to fire/fire late or something.  
Threw on (another) set of new plug wires and the tick never came back.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:23:26 -0300
Subject: Re: My Trip to Fusick's - Not! 

Greg when you replaced the lifters, you should have just replaces the 
pushrods and pivots for insurance purposes.  Another thing is to check 
the ends of the pushrods and the inside cup of the pivots.
If you mismatch the pivots and pushrods that could cause the noise.
As for vibration, it would have to run real rough like running on 7
cylinders.

Now the oil issue, I recommend 10w-40 for summer and 10w-30 for winter.
What you need to do is add a mechinical oil pressure gauge to check
you oil pressure to determine if your oil is thinning.  Also I recommend a
temp
gauge to see if the engine is getting to hot such as over 200 degrees which 
can cook your oil


W MACHINES
72 442 W-30

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From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:31:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Today 

>Date:		Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:06:40 -0300
>From:	"Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
>Sender:	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>To:	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject:	Re: Olds Today
>
>> 1972 442 W-30. Convertible, automatic, loaded, 1993 OCA Best of Class.
>> Absolutely authentic factory original W-30 convertible with matching
>> numbers and fully documented. $43,000. Steven Hemminghaus. (414) 233-2221
>
>Let's be charitable and say that he may well have put $43K into it, and
>would like to get his investment back. Maybe he will. Where else is he
>getting a $43K figure from, otherwise? Methinks he just added up all his
>receipts.
>
INCLUDING OIL CHANGES APARENTLY!

>Speaking of collectibles, I grabbed an oddball Delorean item at a garage
>sale yesterday: An "owner's kit" (or something like that; forget the exact
>wording) for detailing Your New Delorean; it consisted of three bottles of
>cleaner, wax and interior leather conditioner, and a plastic scrubbing pad
>which you were supposed to use to blend in any scuff marks your stainless
>steel panels might pick up. The products were perfect and the cardboard
>gift box they came in was pretty good -- even had a cheesy photocopied
>instruction sheet on Delorean stationery enclosed -- so I plonked down a
>couple of bucks and figured I'd find a Delorean collector who's interested.
>If anyone knows of one who might be, forward this to 'em...
>
I MAY, GIVE ME A WEEK OR TWO, I SEE THIS GUY AROUND THE BUFFALO AREA (PERFECT 
REGION FOR A STAINLESS STEEL CAR IF THERE EVER WAS) AT SOME OF THE CAR SHOWS. 
 I'LL TALK TO HIM AND SEE IF HE'S INTERESTED, WHAT ARE YOU ASKING FOR IT SO I 
CAN TELL HIM, ALSO FORWARD YOU NAME, ADDRESS, AND PHONE (AGAIN) WITH YOUR 
RETURN.  THAT WAY I CAN JUST PRINT IT OUT AND GIVE IT TO HIM - ANOTHER QUICK 
DESCRIPTION OF WHAT IS INCLUDED (AGAIN) WOULD PROBABLY BE GOOD TO.

                                              GLAD TO HELP AN OLDS BROTHER,
                                                     CRAIG DOBBINS
                                                     '68 442 CONVERTABLE 

>Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
>Datalogics, Inc.
>441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473
>
>

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From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:45:49 -0300
Subject: Re: My Trip to Fusick's - Not! 

>Date:		Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:58:47 -0300
>From:	Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
>Sender:	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>To:	Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
>Subject:	My Trip to Fusick's - Not!
>
>
>Last weekend I decided to spend a few days of my vacation taking the Olds 
>down to Conneticut to see the sights and visit Fusick's to let my credit 
>card get a little exercise. Alas, it was not to be...
>
>Left on Saturday morning and the Olds wasn't running bad. About 250 miles 
>into the trip, my tick (which I had always thought was a lifter) 
>returned, first mildly, then much louder than before, so that it would 
>best be described as a clattering sound in the top of the engine. I 
>stopped in the nearest town to check the oil... seemed fine, but I threw 
>a can of Rislone Concentrate in it to see if it would help. It did, a 
>little, so I continued on and spent the night in Bangor, Maine. Tooling 
>around Bangor on Saturday night the tick was still there but was not so
> bad.
>
>Sunday morning I started heading to Freeport and Portland, Maine. I stopped
>in Freeport and did a little outlet shopping, then continued towards
>Portland. Arriving there, the car was not at all happy and seemed to be
>running on only 7 cylinders... down on power and even a bit of vibration
>on the highway. Visions of needing an engine rebuild while on the road
>struck fear into my heart and I decided to turn around and head for home.
>Driving home the next day the car ran OK at times, sometimes without any
>tick or vibration, while at other times it was as it was earlier. I got
>home last Monday night and let the car sit until Friday.  I was so p.o.'ed
>by the whole thing that I didn't want to go near it. On Friday I took it
>out and it ran fine. Same all weekend while I was running around town with
>Jim Chermack of the list who was here visiting... no tick, no vibration,
>no problem at all and lots of power again. 
>
>I'm baffled. Could it be an oil issue? I've been using 10W-30 and this 
>latest batch is Quaker State, though I normally use Valvoline. Think 
>10W-40 might help? Since it seems to be related to long runs maybe the oil 

 CONSUMER'S REPORTS, JULY '96 ISSUE (OIL TESTS ISSUE), STATED ALL OIL IS THE 
SAME (TESTED ON NYC CABS AND MEASURED CYLINDER WALLS WITH A MICROMETER AFTER 
100,000 MILES IN ORDER TO ESTABLISH AMOUNT OF ENGINE WEAR - NO DIFFERENCE 
BETWEEN BRANDS), DON'T BELIEVE THE HYPE.  AS LONG AS THE OIL HAS THE STAR 
SHAPED CERTIFICATION STAMP ON THE BOTTLE, IT'S THE SAME STUFF.  BESIDES, YOU 
SHOULD DEFINITLY BE RUNNING A HEAVIER WEIGHT.  I USUALLY GO WITH THREE 
BOTTLES OF 20W-50 AND TWO OF 10W-30; YOU GET A LOT(!!!!) MORE PROTECTION THAT 
WAY.

thinning or otherwise not fully pumping up the lifters over long 
>hauls. Keep in mind the lifters are new as of about 6 weeks ago. I think 
>I might make an investment in rockers and pedestals, and maybe pushrods 

DEFINITLY THE ROCKERS, SHOULD HAVE DONE IT AT THE SAME TIME.

>too, if this keeps up. But an oil change to a different grade is a lot 
>cheaper at this point. At least my credit card is happy... so far.
>
>And I really wanted that "Oldsmobile" accessory trunk mat that Fusick's 
>had waiting for me... :(

AND DAMN, THOSE THINGS ARE EXPENSIVE FOR A STINKIN' RUBBER MAT!!!!
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
> Canada
>
>
>

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From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:53:10 -0300
Subject: '69 H/O featured... 

Anyone read the article about '69 H/O's in Muscle Car Review magazine
this month?  I skimmed through it, lookin' at the pictures, mostly.  Very
nice car!  98% original!  

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:11:17 -0300
Subject: Re: GEN light (again!)

Dave Paulison wrote:
> 
> Yup, every one of 'em.

OK.
 
> Checked that a couple weeks ago...got ~11.8v with car off, 
> ~13.8v - 14.0v with engine running.

Battery seems a bit low.  Should easily measure 12 volts with no load.

> >Will your car parts guy test your charging system for you?
> I think so...I'll have to check!

Doesn't sound like a charging problem.  Your charging voltage measurement 
is right on.  I assume the car starts OK.  I'd have the battery checked 
just to be safe.

> Umm..do you (or anybody else) know the circuit for the GEN light?

I don't think I have it but I'll check.  Andy may have something.  At any 
rate, many of those lights (I think) are hooked between the battery+ and 
the voltage regulator out.  If the volts are about equal, the lamp 
doesn't light.  But unequal voltage will cause the light to glow.

Did this problem exist before you swapped the alt/reg?

I let you know if I find the circuit diagram.

Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: jblair@exis.net (John T. Blair)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:08:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Exhaust leak 

At 11:40 PM 8/18/96 -0300, oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca wrote:
> 
> I'm having a real hard time determining where my LH exhaust leak is
> coming from- head pipe or manifold.  Can anyone suggest something I
> might pour down the carb to get some smoke to find the leak??? 
> 

What about letting the engine cool completely.  Then brush on some
soapy water.  Disconnect the 12 volt wire between the coil and the
distributor, or pull the hivoltage wire from between the coil and the
distributor.  Have someone crank the engine.  If there is a *bad*
leak, you should see soap bubbles comming up around the leak.

John

John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@exis.net
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
     75 Bricklin SV1   77 Spitfire

The one with the most toys, wins!

------------------------------

From: jblair@exis.net (John T. Blair)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:09:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Resto  Tips  .....

Here's a tip I got of the British Car list:

- ------------------------

At 10:14 AM 8/19/96 -0700, GMARQUIS@oavax.csuchico.edu wrote:
>  For sorting through your cans of nuts & bolts, cut the side out of
>  a 1 gallon plastic anti-freeze container. Pour the nuts or bolts or
>  whatever into the container. Then you can sort thru them with a lot
>  of space. When your done pour the contents back into the can thru
>  the old spout in the jug.
>    
>                                   gary marquis / fat basset garage
>                                            chico california usa
>

- ---------------

John
John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@exis.net
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
     75 Bricklin SV1   77 Spitfire

The one with the most toys, wins!

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 18:22:55 -0300
Subject: Re: GEN light (again!) 

>I don't think I have it but I'll check.  Andy may have something.

Gawd, no, I hate trying to understand that circuit, but if you look at
some of the old Chilton or Motor manuals at the library, they'll cheerfully
blather on for pages about how it works, what makes the light go on, etc.

>Did this problem exist before you swapped the alt/reg?

Yeah, I was wondering that, too. The old voltage regulators in these cars
can be reliably blamed for practically everything except rising tensions
in the Middle East, so if you haven't replaced the regulator when you
replaced the alternator, or if you haven't replaced the regulator anyway 
within the past, oh, forty-five minutes, I'd do that. And some of those
aftermarket ones have been pretty flaky right out of the box; I like to
find the good old AC-Delco OEM stuff myself.

Finally, there is an adjustment procedure for the old regulators that
might be useful; that also is detailed in practically any old service
manual but I haven't had the pleasure myself...

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:35:07 -0300
Subject: >>>4-SPEED OWNERS!!! READ THIS!!!!<<<

I never seem to be able to get replies to my 4-speed questions, but it's 
not because people don't have them..i see so many taglines with 4-speed 
cars.....
Does anyone have a factory clutch fork for sale?
Does anyone have clutch linkage parts for sale (in particular the spring 
and brackets that hold the assembly together)?
Has anyone ever replaced their factory fork with an aftermarket one (e.g. 
Lakewood)?

Heck, last time I was asking about clutches, I only got ONE reply...and 
everyone's got to be running some kind of clutch or another with their 
4-speed..so COME ON 4-SPEED PEOPLE!! SPEAK UP!!!

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 I used to think that the Information age would spawn a great
 revolution as more people got smarter due to access to more
 information.  To the contrary, now that any idiot can use the
 Net, the integrity of the information contained therein has
 been corrupted.                          --Suntzu@ohana.com
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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:39:38 -0300
Subject: Re: '69 H/O featured...

I read the article.  Beautiful car, that H/O.  I find it interesting that 
the active wing found on (very) late model VW Corrados and Porsches was 
originally an Oldsmobile engineering/marketing idea, back in 1969.

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 revolution as more people got smarter due to access to more
 information.  To the contrary, now that any idiot can use the
 Net, the integrity of the information contained therein has
 been corrupted.                          --Suntzu@ohana.com
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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:49:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Transmission gear ratio -Reply

> Am I the only one that get's this?  It has nothing to do with Oldsmobile. 
> He was talking about a real tornado, ya know, twister, cyclone, funnel
> cloud...  It's a joke that likely sprung up after that twister ripped through
> those trailer parks back east a few years back.  I didn't know that there
> were tornados in GA, though...

There are Toronados all over the States, and Canada, and they're
really Oldsmobiles.  Now that Cyclone, that's a Chevy.  And, you're much
more likely to find them in trailer parks.  I never heard of those Twisters
and Funnel Clouds.  Are they Fords?

- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence  (lawrencr@gdls.com)      
7887 17 Mile Rd #259       |
Sterling Hts., MI 48313    | Recidite, plebes! Gero rem Imperialem!
W (810) 825-5450           | Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.
H (810) 268-0600 x259      |  

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From: DELPROPO@EMUVAX.EMICH.EDU
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:08:04 -0300
Subject: Race Rockets (Carb Information)

I am still looking for a Holly carb for my 70 Cutlass Supreme 4brl 350. Does
anyone have one on their car and if so could you tell me the part number and
what it cost you.       .........THANKS>>>>>>    GREG 

------------------------------

From: DELPROPO@EMUVAX.EMICH.EDU
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:11:36 -0300
Subject: REAR END RATIO STAMPING LOCATION

I am interested in finding out what rear end my 70 Cutlass 350 with A/C has.
Where do I find this information?  thanks

------------------------------

From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:11:59 -0300
Subject: Con rod orientation

A long long time ago there was a thread posted about the correct 
orientation of the con rods with respect to each other on the journal.  
>From what I remember there was a distinct way to "face" the rod when 
pressing it onto the piston.  I remember something said about a "chamfer" 
on the rod?  I can find no such obvious chamfer on my rods, will the 
people who posted this thread long ago please contact me?

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 I used to think that the Information age would spawn a great
 revolution as more people got smarter due to access to more
 information.  To the contrary, now that any idiot can use the
 Net, the integrity of the information contained therein has
 been corrupted.                          --Suntzu@ohana.com
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From: DELPROPO@EMUVAX.EMICH.EDU
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:24:40 -0300
Subject: Hood hinge Restoration

My next small detailing job is going to be the hood hinges. At car shows many
people paint them black, and to this day mine have also been black. From
viewing other cars, realized  the hinges are not painted but were left natural.
I feel if I sand blast then that they will become shiny and not have that flat
dull look they are to have. Also what type of coating (clear, Paint) works well
in getting the orriginal look.....Thanks....
,
cars the 

------------------------------

From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:33:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Toroheads, you gotta read this!

Mike Frederick wrote:
>  
> Must be VERY rare.  I've never heard of it which, while that's not proof
> of much, it might explain why he's still looking for it.  Maybe Sparky
> has something in the archives on one of the wierd ones.  I don't even
> think you could get a Toro hood down over an Edelbrock.
> 

Yes, very rare. I am quite sure there was never a production model made. 
However, that 
is not to say that one never existed. I have seen pictures of some crazy stuff 
Olds was 
doing in the mid 60's. Mike, check out that "Oldsmobile in action" magazine I 
copied and 
sent you. There are some strange engine configurations in there, but never 
with 
refference to Toros. 

If anyone has ever been to the REOlds Museum, I rest my case. There are Toro 
425's there 
that are twin blown, have 6 packs on them, side draft carbs etc...etc.  
However, they 
must have been put into other models as they would never fit under the hood of 
a Toro 
(unless it was cut open with a scoop put on it.

Sparky

------------------------------

From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 20:29:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Race Rockets (Carb Information) 

most guys are using the 3310 Holley.  I myself still use the Q-jet.  Greg the

Q-jet is a performance and ecomy carb.  The 72 W-30 brown you saw is using
the Q-jet with minor mods.  I built it myself and the carb is on a 455 bored
.030 and I run the car at the track with times of 12.683 at 107.23m.p.h..  
If you have anymore questions call me at (313)336-8135 or E-mail me at 
W MACHINES@AOL.com

By the way the 3310 is a 750cfm carb





W MACHINES

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From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:38:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Hood hinge Restoration

DELPROPO@EMUVAX.EMICH.EDU wrote:
> 
> I feel if I sand blast then that they will become shiny and not have that 
flat
> dull look they are to have. Also what type of coating (clear, Paint) works 
well
> in getting the orriginal look.....Thanks....

Try having them black anodized.

Sparky

------------------------------

From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 16:55:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Toroheads, you gotta read this! 

>Date:		Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:33:12 -0300
>From:	"Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
>Sender:	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>To:	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject:	Re: Toroheads, you gotta read this!
>
>Mike Frederick wrote:
>>  
>> Must be VERY rare.  I've never heard of it which, while that's not proof
>> of much, it might explain why he's still looking for it.  Maybe Sparky
>> has something in the archives on one of the wierd ones.  I don't even
>> think you could get a Toro hood down over an Edelbrock.
>> 
>
>Yes, very rare. I am quite sure there was never a production model made.
> However, that 
>is not to say that one never existed. I have seen pictures of some crazy
> stuff Olds was 
>doing in the mid 60's. Mike, check out that "Oldsmobile in action"
> magazine I copied and 
>sent you. There are some strange engine configurations in there, but never
> with 
>refference to Toros. 
>
YEA, CHECK OUT THE PICTURES OF THE OLDSMOBILE 455 HEMI(!!!!) ENGINE MADE IN 
THE EARLY 70's ON THE BRYCEMAN PAGE (WWW.442.COM).  TOO BAD THEY NEVER 
RELEASED THAT BAD BOY, ONLY 550 BLISTERING HORSEPOWER!  DAMN, THE PORTS FOR 
THE PISTONS LOOK LIKE YOU COULD PUT COFFEE CAN IN 'EM!!


>If anyone has ever been to the REOlds Museum, I rest my case. There are
> Toro 425's there 
>that are twin blown, have 6 packs on them, side draft carbs etc...etc. 
> However, they 
>must have been put into other models as they would never fit under the
> hood of a Toro 
>(unless it was cut open with a scoop put on it.
>
EITHER WAY, IT NEVER EXISTED, EXCEPT FOR MAYBE A PROTOTYPE MODEL - LIKE THE 
455 OLDS HEMI.  I FOUND A NEW TOY THAT I WANT NOW, SOMEBODY'S GOTTA HAVE ONE 
SOMEWHERE!!!!  ---->CRAIG DOBBINS
>

------------------------------

From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:14:59 -0300
Subject: Re: My Trip to Fusick's - Not! (long)

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 

> 
> I'm baffled. Could it be an oil issue? I've been using 10W-30 and this
> latest batch is Quaker State, though I normally use Valvoline. Think
> 10W-40 might help? Since it seems to be related to long runs maybe the
> oil is thinning or otherwise not fully pumping up the lifters over long
> hauls. Keep in mind the lifters are new as of about 6 weeks ago. I think
> I might make an investment in rockers and pedestals, and maybe pushrods
> too, if this keeps up. But an oil change to a different grade is a lot
> cheaper at this point. At least my credit card is happy... so far.

Greg,

I also had that happen to me once years ago. I was on spring break in 1975 and 
decided 
to take my 67 Toro to Daytona from Milwaukee. Keep in mind, that at the time 
it only had 
45K on it and was all original. Just before I left, I had new oil seals put 
in, rocker 
arms, stands and pushrods, It ran like a dream....until I got to somewhere in 
Tennesee. 
ALL the lifters started rapping to beat the band...and I mean rapping! Being a 
kid of 22 
years old, I though the motor blew up. I stopped at a gas station (some 
toothless wonder 
looked under the hood and came back with a can of STP Oil Treatment). Well, 
not being a 
fan of addtives, I reluctantly said OK.... as it poured out like honey in 
Alaska!!  
(better than towning it back home 800 miles if figured)

Well, low and behold. The noise went away totally. Continued the rest of the 
way to FL 
and returned home  (3500 miles round trip...on the same oil)  When I got home, 
I changed 
my oil and never had the problem again!

So why did it do it in the first place. The only change I made was NOT to use 
Multi-Vis 
oil. I had Shell Rotella 10W30 in it when the lifers began bangning. Ever 
since, I have 
ONLY been using straight wieght oil.....period. (#30 in summer and #10 in 
winter) I'm 
not sure that brand names here are all that important, but IMHO, I think that 
multi vis 
oil is baloney. I DON'T WANNA START AN OIL WAR HERE NOW, but these are simply 
my 
experiences. I have done test with oil in beakers in winter and found that 
5W30 is like 
glue compared to straight 10 when left out side by side at 20 below zero. The 
30 weight 
also stays thicker in the summer heat than 10W 30.

Try this: change oil and filter and put straight 30 in it (I use valvoline). 
You may 
want to add a can of "Upper Lube" too. I add one every once and a while. It 
seems to 
keeps the lifters quieter.

This is all assuming that:

Your oil returns aren't partially plugged or some other oiling/hydraulic 
lifter problem. 
Have you had the covers off to clean the return holes?  Was there a grey clay 
build up 
in the passages? If so, clean out with a coat hanger (or similar device) and 
use a high 
detergent oil ( cleaner/additive for one change) and run her on the super slab 
for a 
while. 

BTW  did you happen to check the temp gauge when this happened....was it hot 
out! This 
may have added to my theory of too thin of oil vs. oiling.


Good luck!

Sparky

------------------------------

From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 21:21:16 -0300
Subject: Hood scoops, etc. 

Mike Frederick wrote:

>> I also have that "custom" hood with a rear facing hood scoop.  I can 
>> attest by the heat that enters the car if I open the cowl vent that it 
>> definitely releases some heat out of that opening.  

>Which is interesting in that's not how I thought the rear facing scoop 
>was supposed to work.  I thought it was *supposed* to be in a high 
>pressure area in front of the cowl which forces cool outside air into the 
>intake manifold.  Much like a forward facing scoop.

Mike, the scoop would act exactly like that _if_ it was positioned close
enough to the windshield.  The early Z-28s had them as close to the glass as
they could get 'em.  Mine is at least a foot in front of the windshield and
the openings are about 4 inches above the plane of the hood.  This scoop was
added first as a means of replacing sheet metal removed so my fancy '67 W-30
air cleaner could be used with a high rise intake manifold and second to look
cool with all those gauges!  No other functionality intended.  As designed by
Chrysler, it is a forward facing scoop.   It is high enough off the hood to
collect cool air with a negligible "ram" effect.  As I have it installed
there is nothing to stop engine heat from getting out.  And it does.

>Are you familiar with what's called a "Tunnel" or Tunnel-Effect" car?

Nope, what is it?

>BTW, do you ever come down here to race?  Let me know if you do.

Probably not, with a strip within 15 miles of here we don't need to go
outside the area.  There is a Buick Olds Pontiac only meet every December at
Gainesville.  Went last year.  Except for the modern safety rules overkill it
was a ball. 

It is more likely we will make a show in your area, Mike.  I'll let you know.

You ever get over this way?  The Olds Club of Florida has many members in
your area.  The meetings revolve among the Olds dealers.  The closest one
would be St. Cloud.  If you are interested I'll drop a line when that one
comes up.

I can also be very easily convinced to atttend a Kissimmee Old Town Saturday
night cruise - like last weekend.  Even after an evening monsoon, 250 cars
showed.  Average is 350.  Any '72 or older is welcome, even flamed Toro's.

Bob Handren                         OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified                  '70 SX Convertible
Handren Associates, Inc.       Oviedo, FL
U.S. FDA Regulatory Affairs   (407)365-6385

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:55:43 -0300
Subject: Re: GEN light (again!)

At 09:11 PM 8/19/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Dave Paulison wrote:

>Doesn't sound like a charging problem.  

No, the battery stays charged.  It's a couple years old and I haven't had
any dead batttery problems.

>Your charging voltage measurement 
>is right on.  I assume the car starts OK.  I'd have the battery checked 
>just to be safe.

Car starts fine.  Will have the battery checked soon...

>I don't think I have it but I'll check.  Andy may have something.  At any 
>rate, many of those lights (I think) are hooked between the battery+ and 
>the voltage regulator out.  If the volts are about equal, the lamp 
>doesn't light.  But unequal voltage will cause the light to glow.
>Did this problem exist before you swapped the alt/reg?

Yeah, it did.  I can't remember if it was happening before I replaced the
battery.

>I let you know if I find the circuit diagram.

OK, thanks!
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 17:30:49 -0300
Subject: WINTERIZING IN BUFFALO! 

Hello all,
  Seeing as how I live just outside of Buffalo NY (Lockport), I will soon be 
storing my '68 442 convertable.  I know the best thing to do (besides putting 
it up on stands), is to top off the radiator with a heavier antifreeze 
mixture (REALLY heavy!), and run the car out of gas.  However, I was told 
that when it just starts to putter -n- stuff when it's running out, that I 
should take a can of WD-40 and spray it straight down my carb and keep the 
engine running on that for about a minute or so (a motercycle guy told me 
this, he said this is how he/they winterize motercycles).  He told me that 
this will coat my cylinders, pistons, and intake (and all interior parts, 
etc. . . .) with a good rust proof coating for the winter.  Is this 
correct(?), or should I go about winterizing my car for storage in a 
different way?  I kinda thought that the WD-40 would burn up if you ran the 
engine while spraying it in the carb, and since it would burn, I didn't 
really understand what this guy meant about coating the inside of the engine 
since there wouldn't really be much left to coat anything - It would all be 
burnt up and gone.  But if I'm wrong, or if my buddy is wrong, or if anyone 
has any GOOD TIPS on the correct way to winterize my vehicle (just got it 4 
months ago, and it's my first KEEPER.  Everything else I've had has been all 
around, year long winter beaters, I've never had to do this before!)


                                        All Replies Will Be Appreciated,
                                              Craig Dobbins
                                              '68 442 Convertable.  

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 14:48:45 -0300
Subject: Return on 400 engine vacuum post

At 05:24 PM 8/19/96, you wrote:
>Dave,
>  I just looked at my engine today (the carb is off, out being totally 
>rebuilt and replated inside and out), so I had a good view of the entire top 
>side of it.  I have three vacuums on the top of my intake manifold.  The one 
>on the front was connected to my distributor 

The one on the front of mine is connected to the vacuum modulator on the
automatic transmission..

>(on the left side, sort of a 
>flying saucer shaped silver object, about an inch or so thick - I don't know 
>what it is, I'm not that good yet),

That's the vacuum advance diaphragm...

>one on the rear of the intake connects to 
>my cruise control, and the other on the rear connects to one of the two hoses 
>coming off of my air cleaner.  

I have three on the rear.  One is a large (1/4") metal tube connected to the
power brakes.  One other goes to a small plastic canister mounted on the
firewall of the car, which stores vacuum for the air conditioning controls,
and the last goes to that thermostatic switch on the front of the intake
manifold we've been talking about.

>This is the way it was when I bought it.  
>Could it be that maybe the one that goes to my distributor is sopposed to be 
>attached to the post (instead of the carb), and the carb vaccum should go to 
>the post?  That is, as opposed to just bypassing the post and going straight 
>from the carb to the distributor?

Maybe..
 
>I guess that would make sense, but why 
>would anyone cut the lines and make a direct connection like that, any 
>ideas????  

Maybe it didn't work right.  That thermostatic switch (the "post") could be
bad.  Or maybe it was a mechanic or owner who didn't give a crap, or didn't
know how to hook it up after they disconnected it.

>All of my other manifold vacuums are taken (I know definitly that 
>the cruise control vacuum is correct, along with the air cleaner).  So, the 
>top lead on the post, which is slightly smaller that the lower two leads 
>coming off of the post, just may be a vent.  But then again, if it is, 
>wouldn't that defeat the purpose of having the vacuums?  I mean, they're all 
>connected and use the same post, so if you leave one open, your vacuum would 
>be seriously decreased, wouldn't it?

No, the "post" should switch the vacuum for one vacuum operated device
between two sources, or it switches one source between two vacuum operated
devices.  Mine works by switching the vacuum source from the carb vacuum to
full manifold vacuum (or vice versa), depending on the temp of the engine
(two sources, one device).  

Example:  Say the top port is connected to the vacuum advance, the middle
one is connected to the carb, and the bottom goes to the manifold vacuum.
Depending on engine temp, the vacuum advance will operate on either manifold
vacuum (cold engine, allowing vacuum to pass from the bottom to the top
port) or carb vacuum (hot engine, allowing vacuum to pass from the middle to
the top port).  That would be like my setup.

Your engine is (obviously) different; the setup does not seem to be the same
as mine.  I'm just guessing here, this is probably wrong.  In your case, if
there is supposed to be a vent, there should be one vacuum source, and two
vacuum operated devices (one of which is the vent).  The one source (coming
off the carb) should either operate the vacuum advance, or just suck through
the vent.  This doesn't make much sense to me.  

Does anybody have a '68 shop manual with the proper hookup??

>                                           Craig Dobbins

>P.S.- Again though, does this vacuum affect the performance of the engine?

Yes.
  
>Or does it just simply regulate the cooling of the engine.  Mine runs awful 
>hot, but I do know that the '68's did run hot.    

If the timing is too far off, the engine will run hot.  Do you have a fan
shroud?  Fan clutch OK?  There may be other problems if your car runs very
hot...
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:34:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Flow Master Mufflers

Check the past few years issues of either Car Craft or Hot Rod. I remember
seeing more than one comparison test but usually Flowmaster is always on top
in flow rate and decibels

At 06:11 AM 8/19/96 -0300, Tom Lentz wrote:
>
>     Does anyone know if there has ever been a comparison between all the 
>     different turbo mufflers out there?  Say a magazine article that 
>     tested them and gave flow rate (CFM) and volume (decibels) at idle and 
>     WOT while installed on a test car would be ideal.
>     
>     If not, maybe I should write an editor or two and ask!
>     
>     Tom L.
>
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: Re: Flow Master Mufflers
>Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
>Date:    8/19/96 6:04 AM
>
>
>while considering mufflers, keep the turbo style muffler in mind. 
>Generally, they sound very good, and provide minimum back pressure 
>(and cost half that of a flowmaster or a Dynomax).
>     
>
>
>
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1980  4-4-2 W-30....1 of 886 produced                                       
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25....H/OCA #0278A               
1988 Camaro IROC Z/28...salvage yard special
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:38:57 -0300
Subject: Re: OCA Nat's 

How much was it?  I've a Bronze and white one of the same year that could use 
a twin.  Check it out a http://www.microdata.com/rborlase/borlase.htm

Roger Borlase

<< I've looked for several years for a Cutlass flattop wagon and found one in
the 
fix 
 one to that condition for what he was asking. It was the white 72 that Eric 
 Dammann brought with him. >>

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:35:55 -0300
Subject: Re: >>>4-SPEED OWNERS!!! READ THIS!!!!<<<

Well, here's a reply. Forget the factory fork, get one from your GM dealer and 
use it. I've purchased two in the last few years, and they are fine.

Art Fuller

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 22:50:15 -0300
Subject: Northern Ohio Olds Show 

Ok so who all is attending this show Sunday? I just called today and got the
80 442 registered in the car show. I have been working overtime getting it
detailed for the show. When I bought it a week ago today it looked
respectable enough for the show but I am anal about having the car spotless.
So whoever is going look for a 1980 442 W-30. Looks like a white 79 H/O with
a spoiler on the rear deck and 4 headlights in front. This is the cars third
show in 2 weeks of owning it so don't be rough on it. I have not had time to
fine tune it. I plan to get there at 9:00 and stay until the end...3:30.
- --------------------------------------------------------------------
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1980  4-4-2 W-30....1 of 886 produced                                       
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25....H/OCA #0278A               
1988 Camaro IROC Z/28...salvage yard special
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Blair Rendell <brendell@pi.pro.ec>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:04:42 -0300
Subject: Re: >>>4-SPEED OWNERS!!! READ THIS!!!!<<< 

At 07:35 PM 8/19/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I never seem to be able to get replies to my 4-speed questions, but it's 
>not because people don't have them..i see so many taglines with 4-speed 
>cars.....
>Does anyone have a factory clutch fork for sale?
>Does anyone have clutch linkage parts for sale (in particular the spring 
>and brackets that hold the assembly together)?
>Has anyone ever replaced their factory fork with an aftermarket one (e.g. 
>Lakewood)?
>
>Heck, last time I was asking about clutches, I only got ONE reply...and 
>everyone's got to be running some kind of clutch or another with their 
>4-speed..so COME ON 4-SPEED PEOPLE!! SPEAK UP!!!
>
>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> I used to think that the Information age would spawn a great
> revolution as more people got smarter due to access to more
> information.  To the contrary, now that any idiot can use the
> Net, the integrity of the information contained therein has
> been corrupted.                          --Suntzu@ohana.com
>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>

HI!   
  I have a 4spd in my 71442 W30 and am missing a return spring and a couple
of other pieces. I drove the car for about 8yrs like that , not knowing the
pieces were missing. Didn't know they existed. Worked fine...however, Year 1
has a breakdown of the clutch parts and I think they sell some of what you
might need.
I am not sure , but you might want to check other A body Gm cars. They prob.
have the same setup as Olds. I know that all the nylon Bushings are
available thru Year One..1-800-950-9503.
>
   >
>Blair Rendell
71 442 W30 Stick Conv.

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From: "William W. Moyer" <bmoyer@marauder.millersv.edu>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:29:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Resto Tips .....

On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, John T. Blair wrote:

> Here's a tip I got of the British Car list:
> 
> ------------------------
> 
> At 10:14 AM 8/19/96 -0700, GMARQUIS@oavax.csuchico.edu wrote:
> >  For sorting through your cans of nuts & bolts, cut the side out of
> >  a 1 gallon plastic anti-freeze container. Pour the nuts or bolts or
> >  whatever into the container. Then you can sort thru them with a lot
> >  of space. When your done pour the contents back into the can thru
> >  the old spout in the jug.
> >    


But, if you're really done, why would there be any parts left in the 
container?

Bill "no parts left" Moyer

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From: Cdrpaulson@aol.com
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 23:44:07 -0300
Subject: Re: WINTERIZING IN BUFFALO! 

Hi ya'all,

OK, I'm new to this club so go easy on me.
I'd like to introduce myself since I just joined.  I have a few things to
comment on and of course a few questions:
Name's Steve Paulson; '70 442 convertible - from Buffalo BTW.  As of June
it's been in a couple thousand pieces and I hope to have only one piece by
Summer '98.  I live in Chesapeake, VA (Near Jim Chermack - whom Greg in Nova
Scotia referred to - who is: 1)an incredible wealth of info; 2)an incredible
wealth of parts; 3) an incredible-credible-credit (OW, my tongue) to the Olds
hobby.  Everyone should take advantage of him, I have and will.)   
Anyway (phew!), I hope I can be useful to some of you.

First to WINTERIZING:
Don't leave your fuel tank empty.  In fact, it should be topped off (rust).
 If you want to coat your piston walls with WD-40, then why don't you pull
your plugs and spray away.  Disassembling your carb's intake line and filter
(then reassembling) should be sufficient enough a drain of fuel from the
carb.  Nevertheless, I'm not an expert on winterizing, but what I know I
found out from at a good magazine rack in the months approaching winter.
 Others in this forum should also help.

Alternators:
Please don't just trade in that old alternator for a new one.  Any good motor
(electric) shop can tell you exactly what's wrong, repair and even upgrade
your original (if it is one) usually for much less than the exchange - and
you get to keep the real one.

POR 15:
A great rust preventer and can't be beat if the surface is prepared (NO PAINT
and you MUST use a phosphate prep such as "OSPHO" or the same stuff from POR
15 or "OxiSolv" from Eastwood).  If you can't remove the paint (inside
frames) then you must use sometihing like Heavy-Duty Anti Rust from Eastwood.

Dave Paulison has too many vowels in his last name.

Jokes:
Are funny the first couple of times around then the flak/fallout makes the
whole gambit not worth the time which is extremely valuable to most of us
(knowwhutta-mean, Vern?).

70 - 72 rear "bars:"'
NO, THEY ARE NOT LOWER CONTROL ARMS.  Lower control arms, either boxed or
unboxed are on all (GM, at least) cars with rear coil springs.  The bars that
someone originally discussed are not referred to in the service manual and
were probably (I'm speculating again) added as some sort of factory mod to
improve cornering(????) or just add structural rigidity in light of the
totally awesome, indestructable, unbeatable (you get the message) torque
supplied by the 455  (Sorry SX's, I don't know why you didn't get-em).
 Somebody, pullease help me out, I'd really like to know.

Chicago car show:
I wonder if anyone going to that show can somehow pick up a 71 SX body (no
frame) I have purchased from our friends at The Parts Place and bring it to
me, free of charge, of course?  Just kidding, but really I do need to get it
and if somebody can assist, then I'd give you my first born (he's only six
and still trainable).  Otherwise, I intend to trailer a frame and doors and
pick up the damn thing myself and perhaps return an assist.

I have spent entirely too much time composing this mail, please forgive me, I
promise to stop (or just be more to-the point in my comments/suggestions).
 See-ya and TANKS for all the help I've received in the last three days!!!

Steve - with lots of 442 stuff in boxes, some of which are useless parts to
be sold to guys like ya'all...in Virginia - Paulson (just the right number of
vowels)

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 13:47:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Flow Master Mufflers 

I remember a Hot Rod article that did a comparison test between some
performance mufflers.  It was printed within the last five years but I can't
remember exaclty how long ago it was.  I know I have it somewhere in my
collection.  It'll just take me awhile to sift through ten years worth of
magazines.  If you'd like me to snail-mail you a photocopy of the article
(once I find it) I'll be happy to.  Or if you'd just like me to e-mail the
net result that's fine too... whatever.  I remember they ranked the mufflers
in sound and performance and did some pretty extensive testing with a c*evy
(what else? they're hot rod) small block on a dyno.  
>     Does anyone know if there has ever been a comparison between all the 
>     different turbo mufflers out there?  Say a magazine article that 
>     tested them and gave flow rate (CFM) and volume (decibels) at idle and 
>     WOT while installed on a test car would be ideal.
>     
>     If not, maybe I should write an editor or two and ask!
>     
>     Tom L.
>
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: Re: Flow Master Mufflers
>Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
>Date:    8/19/96 6:04 AM
>
>
>while considering mufflers, keep the turbo style muffler in mind. 
>Generally, they sound very good, and provide minimum back pressure 
>(and cost half that of a flowmaster or a Dynomax).
>     
>
>

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 19:08:47 -0300
Subject: Re: >>>4-SPEED OWNERS!!! READ THIS!!!!<<<

Blair Rendell wrote:
> 
> A
> >I never seem to be able to get replies to my 4-speed questions, but it's
> >not because people don't have them..i see so many taglines with 4-speed
> >cars.....
> >Does anyone have a factory clutch fork for sale?
> >Does anyone have clutch linkage parts for sale (in particular the spring
> >and brackets that hold the assembly together)?
> >Has anyone ever replaced their factory fork with an aftermarket one (e.g.
> >Lakewood)?
> >
> >
> >
> 
> HI!
>   I have a 4spd in my 71442 W30 and am missing a return spring and a couple
> of other pieces. I drove the car for about 8yrs like that , not knowing the
> pieces were missing. Didn't know they existed. Worked fine...however, Year 1
> has a breakdown of the clutch parts and I think they sell some of what you
> might need.
> I am not sure , but you might want to check other A body Gm cars. They prob.
> have the same setup as Olds. I know that all the nylon Bushings are
> available thru Year One..1-800-950-9503.
> >
>    >
> >Blair Rendell
> Blair:

I repeat something that has been said several times before.  You will be 
surprised what is available at your local GM store & at the local parts 
stores.  Look there first.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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