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oldsmobile-digest         Sunday, 8 September 1996      Volume 01 : Number 293


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From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:18:42 -0300
Subject: Car Show - No Show 

Hi folks,
              Just curious:  has anybody ever driven two hours to a car show
only to discover it's been cancelled?  Happened to me today.  This club
usually has three shows a year, and I like their classes because they have a
1987-Present production class, which always makes my car the oldest in the
class.  They had their "big" show back in July, and they were passing out
flyers for a cancer benefit show on Sept. 7. ( I USUALLY call one of the
club members the night before to make sure they're still having each show,
but guess what....)  Anyway, I got up at 6:00 am, drove North for two hours,
but when I got there it was a ghost town.  Called one of the club members,
and his wife told me it had been cancelled because a nearby town was having
their yearly show today, also.  She apologized that I'd driven all that way,
etc., and then suggested I drive 20 minutes down the road to that other
show.  She's a sweet old lady, so I didn't tell her the other show was for
pre-1984 only.  (Ah, the drawbacks of having a late model car....I know - I
can hear all you guys who are rebuilding your 60's & 70's models:  "...Cry
me a river...")  Oh well, it wasn't a total loss.  At least I got to drive
my Olds for a few hours.

Doug Newman
Columbus,  MS
1987 442          

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:38:57 -0300
Subject: wierd salvageyard find 

Well I made my usual Saturday trip to our family towyard to scope out the
cars and found an interesting car. It is a 1982 4-door Cutlass, white
interior , tan interior. Nothing great yet. So I pop the hood and look at
the emissions sticker and it says 4.3L engine. I think, ok only a Chevy V6,
but as I am closing the hood I notice the front oil filler tube and know
this is no Chevy engine. So I take a look at the head ID to see if it is a
big or small block and it has "F" heads with casting number 404438. Measured
the manifold width and it is 14" so it is a big block. If I remember aren't
"F" head 455's rather rare? Didn't get a chance to fire her up, will do that
soon. Also got in a 1984 Cutlass Supreme 3.8L is if anybody needs parts let
me know. 

________________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
Grad Student in Sports Administration at Kent State University
1988 Iroc Z/28	1974 Buick Riveria Stage I 455
1980 4-4-2 W-30	1975 Hurst/Olds W-25
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From: DELPROPO@emuvax.emich.edu
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 18:48:28 -0300
Subject: Re: CHROME NEEDED 

A little more information would help, like condition ect......???????....OK..

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 19:35:07 -0300
Subject: Re: CHROME NEEDED

condition is fine. I believe the piece is stainless and will shine like new, 
ect. What is your name? I've never seen a name, only an Email address.

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@kfmw.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 13:18:04 -0300
Subject: Another 68 joins the family...

Some of you guys may remember when I was trying to buy that 68 442 
convertible, but the lady who owned it would not come down on the price.  
In fact, she raised it when she put an ad in the paper.  Anyway, she 
tried to sell the car for only 1 weekend in the local paper and only had 
one call.  Good thing she didn't try the local trader or something with 
wider distribution.  Anyway, she called me the other day and wanted to 
know if I still wanted it for less money.  Well, I worked out a deal 
with her and drove it home last night.  It was a beautiful midwestern 
night out and what a drive.  The car just drives and runs like a new 
car.  I Drove it to the local car club hangout and it was the only Olds 
there.  

The scoop on the car:
68 442 convertible - Provincial white with blue interior
buckets, auto, console, ps, pb, a/c and 3.08 posi with only 59K miles 
on the clock.  Strangely enough it has SSI wheels (going back to the 
debat last week).  This car is really an unabused and original car which 
still makes me think that you could have SSIs in 1968.

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:26:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting -Reply

At 02:48 09/07/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-09-06 00:28:33 EDT, you write:
>
><< So which cutlass models of the 72 model year have the checkboard and which
>
> have the horizontal strips? >>
>
>All Cutlass Supreme models have the checkerboard grille, as do Vista
>Cruisers.  Hurst/Olds models also have the checkerboard, but they're painted
>black.
>
>Cutlass S, Cutlass & F-85 models, as well as Cutlass Cruisers have grilles
>with 8 or nine horizontal bars.
>
>442 grilles are deep set and have a gazillion little rectangles in them.
>
>Clear things up?
>
>Paul
>
No. Whats the difference between the Cutlass Supreme and the Cutlass S ?

        ________
       /________\
Brad  (0-0||||0-0)

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:50:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Another 68 joins the family...

At 16:18 09/07/1996 +0000, you wrote:
 
>
>The scoop on the car:
>68 442 convertible - Provincial white with blue interior
>buckets, auto, console, ps, pb, a/c and 3.08 posi with only 59K miles 
>on the clock.  Strangely enough it has SSI wheels (going back to the 
>debat last week).  This car is really an unabused and original car which 
>still makes me think that you could have SSIs in 1968.
>
Don' want to pry...but how much would a car like that cost? That would give
me an idea what mine would be worth if I want to spend some time restoring
it(like maybe a lifetime!!)

Brad (0-0||||0-0)

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:53:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Another 68 joins the family...

Dan,
I don't know how you sleep at night, taking that lady like that. Maybe I'd 
sacrifice and take it off your hands so you wouldn't have to look at it and 
feel 
guilt.

Art Fuller

P.S. I didn't get in the debate, but, yes SS1's were available in '68. 14 x 6. 
Two wheels, one for drums, and one for discs.

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:55:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting -Reply

The difference between an S and a Supreme is 6 letters and a body style.

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From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:58:44 -0300
Subject: Re: barns, fields for cars

Bill Culp wrote:

> Andy,
> He's putting them in his barn like all of us do.  Don't they have barns 
> in Chicago?  Where did Mrs. Murphy keep her cow?

Speaking of this, how many of you folks live rurally (or have lots of space
around for vehicles)?  Do you find it helps with the hobby?  Of course with
enough willpower a car can be worked on anywhere.  I live in Toronto, where
everything costs a fortune, especially garage space, so my four cars (only
1 of which runs) are spread out around, some 60 miles away in storage.  Not
too good if you want to work on them regularly.  Just yesterday, though I
looked at a farmhouse and a few acres for sale about 80 miles southwest of
here: lots of room for cars, small buildings for storage, etc.  This place
would be great, but should lots of space be a requirement for an active
automotive hobby?  I think not, but I'm curious about the solutions us city
dwellers have to come up with.  

BTW, driving back and forth 160 miles a day in a 74 Ninety-Eight, I might
as well tow along a fuel tanker.  And expensive: gas costs about $2.00 -
2.50 a gallon up here.  Any advice on some reasonably fuel efficient cars,
that you don't feel like you've sold your soul (and principles) to drive?

Graham Stewart
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 21:04:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Car Show - No Show

Thats too bad what happened. I am at least in that situation where my car is
not to new, yet not too old. I have just made the cutoff at a couple shows
around here in that they only allow cars at least 15 years old.

At 06:18 PM 9/7/96 -0300, Doug Newman wrote:
>Hi folks,
>              Just curious:  has anybody ever driven two hours to a car show
>only to discover it's been cancelled?  Happened to me today.  This club
>usually has three shows a year, and I like their classes because they have a
>1987-Present production class, which always makes my car the oldest in the
>class.  They had their "big" show back in July, and they were passing out
>flyers for a cancer benefit show on Sept. 7. ( I USUALLY call one of the
>club members the night before to make sure they're still having each show,
>but guess what....)  Anyway, I got up at 6:00 am, drove North for two hours,
>but when I got there it was a ghost town.  Called one of the club members,
>and his wife told me it had been cancelled because a nearby town was having
>their yearly show today, also.  She apologized that I'd driven all that way,
>etc., and then suggested I drive 20 minutes down the road to that other
>show.  She's a sweet old lady, so I didn't tell her the other show was for
>pre-1984 only.  (Ah, the drawbacks of having a late model car....I know - I
>can hear all you guys who are rebuilding your 60's & 70's models:  "...Cry
>me a river...")  Oh well, it wasn't a total loss.  At least I got to drive
>my Olds for a few hours.
>
>Doug Newman
>Columbus,  MS
>1987 442          
>
>
>
>

________________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
Grad Student in Sports Administration at Kent State University
1988 Iroc Z/28	1974 Buick Riveria Stage I 455
1980 4-4-2 W-30	1975 Hurst/Olds W-25
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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 21:12:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Another 68 joins the family...

Congrats on finally getting such a nice car. Only 5142 made in convertible
form.  As for the SSI wheels, in 1968 there was an option P05 14" super
stock wheels.

>The scoop on the car:
>68 442 convertible - Provincial white with blue interior
>buckets, auto, console, ps, pb, a/c and 3.08 posi with only 59K miles 
>on the clock.  Strangely enough it has SSI wheels (going back to the 
>debat last week).  This car is really an unabused and original car which 
>still makes me think that you could have SSIs in 1968.


________________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
Grad Student in Sports Administration at Kent State University
1988 Iroc Z/28	1974 Buick Riveria Stage I 455
1980 4-4-2 W-30	1975 Hurst/Olds W-25
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------------------

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From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 21:19:10 -0300
Subject: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
Subject: Ninety Eight Oldsmobiles???????

I have been subscribing for a week or so and I don't seem to run into much talk
about the bigger beasts. namely the Ninety Eights. Am I the only one out
there with a love for the big comfortable road hogs? Yes, they are a bit
larger and not as quick as a 442 or 68-70 Toro W-34 or GT, but surely some
one must love Oldsmobiles "cadillac", There is a ninety eight for everymans
(almost) taste... Some are somewhat sporty ie 63-4 Ninety Eight sport
coupes- look em up in Casteels book- Starfire engine, bucket seats, console
tachometer,floorshift etc. Some are Garish- the 58 comes to mind here, but
wouldn't you like to drive down main street USA in a 54-56 Starfire
convertable with wonderbar radio, fiesta spinner caps and the wind blowing
through your hair looking through the panoramic windshield? No? how about a
41 4 door touring convertable? Or making the trip to Las Vegas from LA, no
more comfortable car than a late sixties to mid seventies 98.

 Yes folks I am strange I have several of Oldsmobiles "substantial cars" and I
wouldn't trade them for the world! So have pitty on me and if you have the
same perversion as liking these road monsters drop a note.
Chuck Noppe 

Oldsnut @ westworld.com

71 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight LS
71 Cadillac Coupe Deville
72 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency

Chuck Noppe 

Oldsnut @ westworld.com

71 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight LS
71 Cadillac Coupe Deville
72 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@kfmw.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 14:53:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Another 68 joins the family...

P05 for 1968 would be SSIIs.  Most years, PO5 is SSI and N66 is SSII/III, but 
not 
in 1968.  Yes, the true answer lies in the build sheet.  (Are we on this 
debate 
again or what).  Does anybody have a build sheet that shows SSIs?  What would 
the 
code be, since P05 would be incorrect.

As for the price, I paid 8K.  Hard to nail down exactly, because I made her 
fix 
some stuff before I bought the car.  

Jason P. Labay wrote:
> 
> Congrats on finally getting such a nice car. Only 5142 made in convertible
> form.  As for the SSI wheels, in 1968 there was an option P05 14" super
> stock wheels.
> 
> >The scoop on the car:
> >68 442 convertible - Provincial white with blue interior
> >buckets, auto, console, ps, pb, a/c and 3.08 posi with only 59K miles
> >on the clock.  Strangely enough it has SSI wheels (going back to the
> >debat last week).  This car is really an unabused and original car which
> >still makes me think that you could have SSIs in 1968.
> 
> ________________________________________________________
> Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
> Grad Student in Sports Administration at Kent State University
> 1988 Iroc Z/28  1974 Buick Riveria Stage I 455
> 1980 4-4-2 W-30 1975 Hurst/Olds W-25
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ----------------------

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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 21:38:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

> From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
> Subject: Ninety Eight Oldsmobiles???????
> 
> I have been subscribing for a week or so and I don't seem to run into much 
> talk about the bigger beasts. namely the Ninety Eights.

What are you talking about?  The 98's won't be out for two more years!

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Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

 

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From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 00:45:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Reggie Goble)

Chuck,
I have never owned a 98 but i have tested two that I liked very much. 
the 70 is a favorite of mine, but my favorite is a 62. My dad had a
dynamic 88 and the 98 was my favorite car due to that. The 62 Starfire
is also another favorite. I love that big piece of chrome down the side
and the clip on wheel covers. My next favorite 98 is the 76 coupe. I have 
always liked the look of that particular car and you still see many 
around. 
     My big olds now is a 69 Toro which follows me everywhere. I won't 
go anywhere without it. It's big, powerful, comfortable and distinctive
in design. It's hard to beat any big olds of any vintage. I found a 64 
convertible 88 in a semi-junkyard in woodstock VA, at a place called 
Bordens. The car was very straight, no indication of ever being in an
accident. The interior was good and even the faded red top was still 
intact. It had factory wire wheel covers (one missing). I didn't look
under the hood but should have. If i get over that way again I'll
stop and look a little harder. Woodstock by the way is in the Shenandoah
Valley.  

Later
Reggie
69 Toronado
"OLD OLDS"

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From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 21:50:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

>> From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
>> Subject: Ninety Eight Oldsmobiles???????
>> 
>> I have been subscribing for a week or so and I don't seem to run into much 
>> talk about the bigger beasts. namely the Ninety Eights.
>
>What are you talking about?  The 98's won't be out for two more years!
>Thanks for the notice about the year problem...does that mean in 2 years
DMV will raise my tag fees as it is a new car?.....Intrested in your '70
- -what color options,etc.... 
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
>lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
>(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
>Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v
>
> 
>
Chuck Noppe 

Oldsnut @ westworld.com

71 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight LS
71 Cadillac Coupe Deville
72 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency

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From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:15:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

> From: Chuck Noppe <oldsnut@westworld.com>
> I have been subscribing for a week or so and I don't seem to run into
much talk
> about the bigger beasts. namely the Ninety Eights. Am I the only one out
> there with a love for the big comfortable road hogs? 

Hey, Chuck, right on ... There's not much i love more than a huge car.  My
Ninety-Eight's a '74 which makes it one of  the longest production cars
around (232.4 inches).  A real pleasure to drive despite its
emission-restricted 455.  I bought it at a church auction in 1990 from its
second owner.  Apparently it has only been through one Canadian winter (one
reason it's still alive).  Tiny bits of rust here and there, otherwise very
nice and closing in on 160,000 miles.  Last summer I had the cylinder heads
rebuilt and put on a dual exhuast system which seemed to double its power. 
Quite a strong car for its size.  Other years I covet are 59, 65, and 69,
but those a future budget, it seems.

Occasionally I ponder a list for full-size Olds enthusiasts, but we
shouldn't really get too narrow in our focus (divided we fall and all
that).  Much of the information is applicable to all makes anyway.  Besides
Cutlasses are great too, I've been wanting a '68 for years ... 

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:29:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting -Reply

At 23:55 09/07/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>The difference between an S and a Supreme is 6 letters and a body style.
>
Ok, I can see the 6 letters, But what are the body style differences?
I have a '68 Cutlass that has the letter "S" on the glovebox and the
fenders,but does that mean that it is a "Supreme"? Or, did the Supreme name
become famous with the '70 and up crowd?

Brad (0-0||||0-0)

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:40:30 -0300
Subject: Re: barns, fields for cars

At 23:58 09/07/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>Bill Culp wrote:

>BTW, driving back and forth 160 miles a day in a 74 Ninety-Eight, I might
>as well tow along a fuel tanker.  And expensive: gas costs about $2.00 -
>2.50 a gallon up here.  Any advice on some reasonably fuel efficient cars,
>that you don't feel like you've sold your soul (and principles) to drive?
>
>Graham Stewart
>graham.stewart@utoronto.ca
>
It's not an Old's, but back in '87 I bought a Ch*vy Sprint Turbo. That car
had a five speed with a _1_ litre, 3 cylinder motor with a turbo that would
beat most any 4 cylinder car and still get over 40 MPG (don't know the K/H).
And even though it was a very small car though,and me being over 6 ft tall,
it still had enough room for me to drive it comfortably. I don't think you
are going to find any of these around, but it sure was fun for me!!

Brad (0-0||||0-0)

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From: Dave Isho <davei-2@mail.idt.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:40:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Web chat w/ AC/Delco & Earnhart 

At 12:41 PM 9/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I got this from AC Delco over the 'Net.  Thought someone might be interested
>==============================================================
>Dear Edgers:
>
>Don't forget to mark your calendars for Wednesday, Sept. 11, 8 to 9 p.m., 
>EDT, when Dale Earnhardt will chat live on Talk Time.
>
Speaking of Earnhardt... Why does Dale Earnhardt never hit the wall??


A: Because it doesn't have numbers on it.

 >Dave Isho --- davei-2@mail.idt.net
     >67 Cutlass CS Convertible
     

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From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:41:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

>> From: Chuck Noppe <oldsnut@westworld.com>
>> I have been subscribing for a week or so and I don't seem to run into
>much talk
>> about the bigger beasts. namely the Ninety Eights. Am I the only one out
>> there with a love for the big comfortable road hogs? 
>
>Hey, Chuck, right on ... There's not much i love more than a huge car.  My
>Ninety-Eight's a '74 which makes it one of  the longest production cars
>around (232.4 inches).  
>
>Occasionally I ponder a list for full-size Olds enthusiasts, but we
>shouldn't really get too narrow in our focus (divided we fall and all
>that).  Much of the information is applicable to all makes anyway.  Besides
>Cutlasses are great too, I've been wanting a '68 for years ... 
>
>Graham Stewart
>Toronto, Canada
>graham.stewart@utoronto.ca
>
No argument there at all I love all oldsmobiles (even omegas73-79) 
My 71 has 460,000 on it now and I have recently rebuilt the origanal engine,
I have had it since 83 when i was in high school. Recently I was in an
accident with my lincoln and it was totaled when someone ran a red light and
broad sided it. Since then I have reverted back to driving the ole 71 still
gets lots of looks on the freeways in LA and will outrun many other cars on
a long stretch of road!  

is your 98 a Regency or LS and 2/4 door?
Chuck Noppe 

Oldsnut @ westworld.com

71 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight LS
71 Cadillac Coupe Deville
72 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency

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From: Dave Isho <davei-2@mail.idt.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:46:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Web chat w/ AC/Delco & Earnhart 

At 12:41 PM 9/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I got this from AC Delco over the 'Net.  Thought someone might be interested
>==============================================================
>Dear Edgers:
>
>Don't forget to mark your calendars for Wednesday, Sept. 11, 8 to 9 p.m., 
>EDT, when Dale Earnhardt will chat live on Talk Time.
>
Speaking of Earnhardt... Why does Dale Earnhardt never hit the wall??


A: Because it doesn't have numbers on it.

 >Dave Isho --- davei-2@mail.idt.net
     >67 Cutlass CS Convertible
     

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 23:44:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

At 00:38 09/08/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>> From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
>> Subject: Ninety Eight Oldsmobiles???????
>> 
>> I have been subscribing for a week or so and I don't seem to run into much 
>> talk about the bigger beasts. namely the Ninety Eights.
>
>What are you talking about?  The 98's won't be out for two more years!
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------
- -----
>Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
>lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
>(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
>Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v
>

Great joke!!! So thats what they mean about reparte!!! Sorry Tim!!!

Brad (0-0||||0-0)

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From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 01:58:58 -0300
Subject: 1968 Shop Manual

Hi all,

A buddy of mine has an original, pristine 1968 Oldsmobile Shop/Service Manual 
for sale. 
I'm not into 68's or I would buy it. He is firm at $35.00. If anyone is 
interested I 
could buy it for you and ship.

Please reply to me via private E-mail if interested.

Greg

- -- 
Greg Kalkhoff                                      Driven Images
4217 W. Fond du Lac Ave.                http://cpeq.com/~edison3/dihome.html
Milwaukee, WI.  53216	
414-447-7500

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 00:20:22 -0300
Subject: Re: 1968 Shop Manual

At 04:58 09/08/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>A buddy of mine has an original, pristine 1968 Oldsmobile Shop/Service
Manual for sale. 
>I'm not into 68's or I would buy it. He is firm at $35.00. If anyone is
interested I 
>could buy it for you and ship.
>
>Please reply to me via private E-mail if interested.
>
>Greg
>
>-- 
>Greg Kalkhoff                                      Driven Images
>4217 W. Fond du Lac Ave.                http://cpeq.com/~edison3/dihome.html
>Milwaukee, WI.  53216	
>414-447-7500
>
Greg,Hold that manual for me.I need one for my '68. I have asked some mail
order place about their manuals and want to find out their price. I'll get
back to you some time Sunday. Thanks...

Brad (0-0||||0-0)

bradbaker@worldnet.att.net

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 19:27:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Another 68 joins the family...

mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
> 
> Dan,
> I don't know how you sleep at night, taking that lady like that. Maybe I'd
> sacrifice and take it off your hands so you wouldn't have to look at it and 
feel
> guilt.
> 
> Art Fuller
> 
> P.S. I didn't get in the debate, but, yes SS1's were available in '68. 14 x 
6.
> Two wheels, one for drums, and one for discs.


Art,

How do I know which are the ones for discs & which are the ones for 
drums?  I have a set of 1968 discs for my car but haven't put them on 
because I thought I didn't have the wheels as yet.  But then maybe I 
already do.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

P.S.:  My aren't we lucky that we have Art around to help w/the guilt.  
Wonderful story; wonderful car Dan.

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 19:50:40 -0300
Subject: Re: barns, fields for cars

> Speaking of this, how many of you folks live rurally (or have lots of space
> around for vehicles)?  Do you find it helps with the hobby?  Of course with
> enough willpower a car can be worked on anywhere.  I live in Toronto, where
> everything costs a fortune, especially garage space, so my four cars (only
> 1 of which runs) are spread out around, some 60 miles away in storage.  Not
> too good if you want to work on them regularly.  Just yesterday, though I
> looked at a farmhouse and a few acres for sale about 80 miles southwest of
> here: lots of room for cars, small buildings for storage, etc.  This place
> would be great, but should lots of space be a requirement for an active
> automotive hobby?  I think not, but I'm curious about the solutions us city
> dwellers have to come up with.
> 
> BTW, driving back and forth 160 miles a day in a 74 Ninety-Eight, I might
> as well tow along a fuel tanker.  And expensive: gas costs about $2.00 -
> 2.50 a gallon up here.  
> 
> Graham Stewart
> Graham,

I live downtown in a city of about 45,000.  Luckily, there is a 1 acre 
lot here w/enough room for a 30'x64' (approx. 10x21m) 2-story barn, 3 
car garage, carport, & plenty of grass, & flowers.  The alley provides 
easy access to the barn doors on 1 side plus a gate in the fence for the 
doors on the other side.  A privacy fence allows for 'storage' around 
the barn.

Everything is kept clean & neat from the outside.  It is a secret what 
the inside of the barn looks like.  I have lived here 25 years & never 
had any trouble w/the neighbors even the law could get me if the 
neighbors did raise enough sand.  There are 17 cars at my house besides 
my daily driver.  Two neighbors have collector cars & 1 has tractors.  
Everyone is careful to stay clean & neat.

I don't have time to go 60 miles to work on my cars.  Many times I only 
have a few minutes to do anything.  A garage at home is essential to my 
way of doing things - when I have time & at that moment.

Suggestions for a car include all the small GM, Ford & Chrysler cars as 
well as the Japanese stuff.  you can save money though by buying close 
to town &:
	1. paying lower auto/home insurance bills
	2. paying lower car maintenance/replacement bills
	3. spending commute time to work instead working on your Olds
	4. spending commute time to shop/buy parts working on your Olds

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 19:59:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

Chuck Noppe wrote:
> 
> From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
> Subject: Ninety Eight Oldsmobiles???????
> 
> I have been subscribing for a week or so and I don't seem to run into much 
talk
> about the bigger beasts. namely the Ninety Eights. Am I the only one out
> there with a love for the big comfortable road hogs?
> 
>  Yes folks I am strange I have several of Oldsmobiles "substantial cars" and 
I
> wouldn't trade them for the world! So have pitty on me and if you have the
> same perversion as liking these road monsters drop a note.
> Chuck Noppe
> 
> Oldsnut @ westworld.com
> 
> 71 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight LS
> 71 Cadillac Coupe Deville
> 72 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency
> 
> Chuck Noppe
> 
> 

Chuck,

I hope that I am speaking for most everyone when I say that we all have 
unlimited likes but unlimited funds & time.  Everyone just has to cross 
cars off their list until the list is manageable.  In my case, it got as 
far as a Toronado, Jetfire, & 442.  I hope to get into a 1961 Starfire 
someday.  I fell in love w/a 1966 Starfire for sale down the road & have 
to grudgingly pass it every day. Some of those 98's are mouth watering.

I'm trying to say that I love them all but can marry only so many.  I 
appreciate your car & love to hear them spoken of.  Speak up whenever & 
know that I'll be listening, sympathising, applauding.  

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Sep 1996 20:04:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

Robert Lawrence wrote:
> 
> > From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
> > Subject: Ninety Eight Oldsmobiles???????
> >
> > I have been subscribing for a week or so and I don't seem to run into much
> > talk about the bigger beasts. namely the Ninety Eights.
> 
> What are you talking about?  The 98's won't be out for two more years!
> 
> 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
> lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
> (810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
> Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v
> 
> Greg,

Are you talking your smart alec stuff through someone else's mouth now? 
 Maybe this is some trainee trying to get a Sparky II certificate.  Wow, 
you can't keep a bad guy down.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 01:37:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

> From: Chuck Noppe <oldsnut@westworld.com>

> is your 98 a Regency or LS and 2/4 door?

A Regency, 4 door.  Brown (actually Metallic Gold, I think).  Speaking of
those Luxury Sedans, several years ago I was at a wrecking yard looking for
odds and ends and came across a 75 98 LS that was so loaded with those
unecessary but charming accessories that it was sinking into the mud faster
than the others around it.  I pulled off a few items like the headlamp-on
warning system, the low coolant system (although I had to relocate the
sensor to the coolant reservoir from the radiator), and the low fuel
indicator.  This thing also had a lamp montoring system for burned out
exterior bulbs, air bag, and a time delay interior light and door lock
illuminator.  Too bad it was never taken care of.  I don't think any of
that stuff is especially rare, but to see all of it on one car was kind of
amazing (the original buyer must have gone through the sales brochure
checking every item he/she say ... ) All to feel luxurious ??

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

------------------------------

From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 01:40:28 -0300
Subject: Re: barns, fields for cars

> From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
> Everything is kept clean & neat from the outside.  It is a secret what 
> the inside of the barn looks like.  

Hi Bill ... 
Is this a reference to environmental/neighbour annoyance laws?  There's not
too much of that around here, as far as I know.
I'd be curious to find out more ... Thanks

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 01:50:57 -0300
Subject: Re: '67 Delta 88 Photo 

How can I get a reprint or copy of that?  Is the book available still?

Looking forward to hearing a reply - I think we all love to see our 'babies'
in print & photo

Lisa Madsen
>
>Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser
>
>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/lisa.htm
>
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>           Hang in there!!
>
>
>

Sincerely

James Thingwold
Glass Line Newsletter 
120 S Kroeger St.
Anaheim, CA.  92805-4011  USA

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 01:56:43 -0300
Subject: RE:  71 vs. 72 grilles 

My '72 has the checkerboard grille also - ?  Its a Michigan manufactured
car.....hey what about the FUBAR V-Cruiser - whats your grille like?


>
>
Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/lisa.htm


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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 02:09:50 -0300
Subject: Re: National Muscle Car Association Meet 

What Norwalk are you referring to  - it cant be Calif. cause Norwalk doesnt
have a drag strip that I know of - arent you in the Northwest - ?
Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/lisa.htm


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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 02:13:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Buick/Olds  

Hey, I named my daughter Electra - Olds just didnt have anything 'suitable'
- - well, Starfire would be a bit 60's -   I consider Buicks a GM cousin.

At least its not a F-rd!


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/lisa.htm


                   \\\\\\|/////
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          .oooO
             (   )    Oooo.
       ----- \  (----(   )--------
               \_)    )  /
                      (_/   
           Hang in there!!

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 02:36:50 -0300
Subject: Re:  66-67  wagon 

Buick's seem to keep popping up here lately - the Sport Wagon (like our
Vista Cruisers) was only produced for 2 years  - 3 at the most - '66 - '67
or '68.  They're even HARDER to find than V-C's (I looked long & hard for my
Vista Cruiser & saw virtually NO Sport Wagons. They might have been a
'65-'67 run but I dont recall ever seeing or hearing of a '68 Sport Wagon.  

I'd snag it either way - check out my web page & see the info on the
American Station Wagon Owners Association thats  getting started.  Save
these long suffering, neglected 9th wonders of the world.  And to think i
called them sleds when I was in my Super Bee-AMX-454 SS Chevelle days.....

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/lisa.htm


                   \\\\\\|/////
                    \\ - - //
                    ( 0 0 )
      ----oooO--(_)--Oooo---


          .oooO
             (   )    Oooo.
       ----- \  (----(   )--------
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                      (_/   
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From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 07:34:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Buick/Olds 

Sorry but my 460 "Police Cruiser" Mustang could take any of yer 
"old"smobiles...  heehee

(Son of a Toronado owner)...Haha

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From: a.riisager@lycke.lhc.se (Anders Riisager)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 08:44:48 -0300
Subject: Manual problem - In Sweden

First I must tell how bad my English are, (I4m really bad, sorry) ;-).

Well I4m born in Sweden, but not my great car one Oldsmobile Cutlass
Cruser 5,7 Diesel.  I4m practical in love whit my car and now are the
she4s tired. 

A diesel are a diesel, in Sweden  there is really hard to find a
manual over just the Oldsmobile diesel engine. The only book fore
repair the Olds diesel is Chilton4s Auto Repair Manual.

A have that one, and it4s not telling me al fore my care 1980 ears
model. It4s there some one who can help me to find one good repair
manual to Oldsmobile 350  5,7 diesel of 1980 ? 

I also wonder what spear part to a diesel injection pump haw fore
prices ? And I4m thinking in first hand one al seal gasket to the
pump.

Maybe is ther some one else ho like the diesel engine and whan4t to
penn fight whit I swedish over the e-mail. ?     

Well one off my ( read: many more of my ) are the spear part cheaper
in USA ore Canada then Sweden ?. 
One example:
My front door windows (electrical) is broken, one small plastic roller
is disappear and a new spear part fore this in Sweden should cost 277
dollars. :-0  A English friend to me told me it must be spear part
cheaper in USA. The say her in Sweden at I most bought the complete
electrical windows kit. fore just 277 dollars. The same thing are it
whit the electrical driver seat. The seat gearbox cost 302 dollars.
Fore a small box of plastic parts  ? 

Well my friends of wonderful cars, you can see I4m really need help.
If there is some one ho whan4t to help me, I can help whit Volvo and
SAAB parts and also Manuals. ( my nearest neighbour have a Volvo
scrap, and he also sails new parts. Price fore one brand new headlight
are 59 dollar. Ore one brake master master Volvo 260 1976 to 1984 fore
29 dollar. And fore brake rotor fore rearaxel 57 dollar left and right
, I just bought to my wife care. ) But I must tell you I love my Olds.

I4m look forward to answer.
Many greetings 
Anders Riisager

***************************
* Anders Riisager         * 
* Lycke Vdstergerd        * 
* S440 33  HARESTAD       *
* Sweden                  * 
* a.riisager@lycke.lhc.se *
*************************** 

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 08:57:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting -Reply

On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Brad Baker wrote:
> Ok, I can see the 6 letters, But what are the body style differences?
> I have a '68 Cutlass that has the letter "S" on the glovebox and the
> fenders,but does that mean that it is a "Supreme"? Or, did the Supreme name
> become famous with the '70 and up crowd?

Brad, 

The difference depends on the year. On your '68 (and in '69 too), the 
Supreme was a dolled up Cutlass with special exterior trim and paint, a 
nicer interior, 4-barrel carb, and that's about it. My buddy Steve used 
to own a '68 Supreme 2-door that looked fantastic. Burgundy metallic and 
the Supreme has silver paint on the lower fenders and doors that was 
separated by chrome strips. Super looking car that you almost never see 
anymore (anyone have one of these?). 

In '70 through '72, the Supreme was a different body style, at least for 
the 2-door model. It was Olds' answer to the Grand Prix and Monte Carlo 
and had a notchback 2-door body style, very nice looking. Also had the 
upgraded interior, etc., and special trim outside.

Common misconception: a Cutlass "S" is not a Supreme. The "S" was Olds' 
mainstream model most of those years. In '68 they advertised it as sort 
of the poor boy's 4-4-2, sporty but practical, etc. In truth it was their 
bread-and-butter 2-door model, a step above the base F-85 model. When I 
answered the ad for my '68 a few years back one of the reasons i was 
interested was that the old lady advertised it as a Cutlass Supreme. It 
isn't but I bought it anyway. In the '80's just about every Olds was a 
Cutlass Supreme of some sort or so it seemed, so that probably explains 
some of the confusion people have about this. 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 09:01:38 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Graham Stewart wrote:
> Last summer I had the cylinder heads
> rebuilt and put on a dual exhuast system which seemed to double its power. 

Graham,

I'm curious... what does a valve job like this cost? What exactly did you
have done to the heads? Did you do the removal/reinstall yourself or was
it part of the cost? And did you have to do anything like replace the
pushrods, rockers, pedestals, etc.? 

Thinking this will be in my future sooner or later...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 09:04:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Another 68 joins the family...

On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Dan Williams wrote:
> The scoop on the car:
> 68 442 convertible - Provincial white with blue interior
> buckets, auto, console, ps, pb, a/c and 3.08 posi with only 59K miles 
> on the clock.  Strangely enough it has SSI wheels (going back to the 
> debat last week).  This car is really an unabused and original car which 
> still makes me think that you could have SSIs in 1968.
> 

Dan, you lucky $&%&^#!... that sounds like one nice car. Why do these 
things never pop up around here? Damn, I'm envious... congrats! At least 
we have another '68 here to brag about...   

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 09:08:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

> > From: Chuck Noppe <oldsnut@westworld.com>
> > I have been subscribing for a week or so and I don't seem to run into
> much talk
> > about the bigger beasts. namely the Ninety Eights. Am I the only one out
> > there with a love for the big comfortable road hogs? 
> 

The very, very first Olds I ever purchased was a '73 or '74 (I can't believe
I can't remember the year, it's the age thing I guess :) ) Vista Cruiser
(or was it a Custom Cruiser?).  In any event, it was the one based on the full
size 98 Olds platform.  What a beautiful beast!  White with wood grain sides,
leather (or a reasonable fascimile of leather) interior, loaded.  Bought it
in late '81, for $400.  With 75K on the clock!  With its 455 c.u., and fully
laden with stuff, it could pass everything on the highway 'cept gas stations
and cops flagging you down -- just ask my sister about this one :)

I worked in a garage part time whilst in college at the time, and this car came
my way.  I made the grave mistake of not keeping it for myself -- I was driving
a '72 P*nt**c C*t*l*n* ragtop and a '53 Load, err, RoadMaster Riviera at th
time -- but instead *gave* it to my sister (also in college).

After 4 years of beating on it (she was always too lazy to do 'the maintenance
thing', and none of her BFs knew the diff between a dipstick and a radiator
cap), the Vista Bruiser looked a bit worse for wear, but still ran like a 
champ.
She didn't want it anymore, so I suggested that she give it to our younger
sister who was presently in school herself.  Instead, her fiance got her to 
sell
it, using the proceeds (more than I paid for it, FWIW) as a down payment
on a freakin' Virago -- the Yamaha ersatz H-D.

Sorry, do I sound bitter? :)

I'd prolly *still* have the car if I kept it for myself.



Tim (Who Makes Do with Caddys to Get that 'Big Car' Feel) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, nickname yet to be determined
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 09:08:45 -0300
Subject: Re: barns, fields for cars

Well, I wish i had a barn. Or even a garage, or a driveway. I live in a 
big apartment complex in the middle of the city. Both my cars live in the 
underground garage. The upside: they don't get exposed to the weather and 
can stay inside when it's nasty. The downside: you can't do a whole lot 
to them in there. I'm in one end of the place so I can manage an oil 
change or whatever without drawing too much attention, but anything else 
is pretty much prohibited. Not easy to do a resto in an apartment 
either... though the bathtub sometimes makes a nice parts washer... :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Katana72@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 09:21:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

My very first car was a 1970 Olds 98 LS. It was my mom's and that started my
love affair with Oldsmobiles. The next car was a 1973 Olds 98 2 dr. Both had
455 motors and got 17- 19 mpg on the highway. Town mileage wasn't that good.
I wish I had never gotten rid of them. I then had a brand new 1979 datsun
(YECH) 310 gx. Good mileage, but not the car I really liked. Then I got a
1979 Olds cutlass cruiser brougham Station wagon which had in it a rebuilt
1969 olds 350 rocket motor (which had been beefed up). At least I was back in
an Olds. That car got totalled by my step-brother. (It was FAST) After my
return from the Persian Gulf, I bought a 1972 Cutlass S. My step- brother
attempted to repay me by giving me an engine that I thought was a 350 rocket
motor, but it turned out it was a 330 motor. I changed the cam in that and
it's almost as good as a rocket, now. I then got a deal on a 81 wafon and
retro-fitted a 73 350 motor in it. It ran pretty good until last winter. I
popped a couple of freeze plugs. The motor's out, waiting for me to put in
new plugs, but have been busy with other projects around the house. It can
still leave the Vette's behind !!!!!

     But it all started with the big boat, the 98. I see a 98 cruise by once
in a while and just stop and wish I hadn't gotten rid of the first one.

Katana 72             It's NOT your father's Oldsmobile
              Hastings, MN

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From: Katana72@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 09:30:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Manual problem - In Sweden 

I have a 1979 repair manual which has all of the production motors detailed
in it. I would be happy to help, but I can't give up the manual.


Katana 72                    It's NOT your fater's Oldsmobile     Hastings,
MN, USA

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From: Katana72@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 09:33:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting -Reply 

Yea, and if you go to get parts for a Cutlass S model, the parts stores
usually list it for the F-85, not a Cutlass S. At least in my experiences.
This holds true through 72

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From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:36:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

Bill Culp wrote about a 66 starfire. 

Dear Bill,
     About that 66 Starfire down the street from you. Please tell me a 
bit about it and the price. I have not seen one of those in some time. 
Thanks,
Reggie Goble
jgoble@nishanet.com
69 Toronado
"OLD OLDS"

------------------------------

From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 10:41:25 -0300
Subject: Re: 68  SS1 wheels...

Bill,
I haven't looked at those wheels for some time, but they had their own 
individual numbers stamped into the wheels. They will be an all chrome 14x6 
wheel. They look alike until you look at the back of the wheel. The wheel for 
disc brakes will have a much larger open area to accomodate the larger brake 
assembly. Naturally, the drum brake wheel has a smaller area. Now you know as 
much as I do about these wheels.

Art Fuller

------------------------------

From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 11:24:23 -0300
Subject: salvage yard find update 

I finally got that 82 Cutlass 4-door  with the "F" head 455 fired up and she
runs super. I called the owner of the car and asked him why he left it here
to be junked. Turns out the engine is actually a 71 Toro 455. He bought it
as a short block and got the heads from his grandfathers garage. Said they
were "laying around" and grandpa didn't want them (turns out he is up in age
and not mobile). He also told me that his grandpa was a huge Oldsnut, had
money, and used to have 3 or 4 late 60's early 70's 442's and H/O's. He
dropped this 455 into his 82 because his 260 blew up a year ago.  I double
checked both heads casting numbers and these are indeed "F" heads. Should
command a good chunk of change at a swap meet? Moral of the story: Check
under all hoods, even Yugo's...never know what might be lurking under there:) 

________________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
Grad Student in Sports Administration at Kent State University
1988 Iroc Z/28	1974 Buick Riveria Stage I 455
1980 4-4-2 W-30	1975 Hurst/Olds W-25
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------------------

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 14:19:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

Bill Culp wrote:
> 
> Robert Lawrence wrote:
> >
> > SNIP
> >
> Greg,
> 
> Are you talking your smart alec stuff through someone else's mouth now?
> Maybe this is some trainee trying to get a Sparky II certificate.  Wow,
> you can't keep a bad guy down.
> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama

Hey, Bill.  You know a week or so ago you were calling me "Greg", now 
you're calling Bob "Greg".  Guess what?  We're not all named "Greg".

...just most of us.

The 66 Toro and Greg


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 14:19:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

Bill Culp wrote:
> 
> Robert Lawrence wrote:
> >
> > SNIP
> >
> Greg,
> 
> Are you talking your smart alec stuff through someone else's mouth now?
> Maybe this is some trainee trying to get a Sparky II certificate.  Wow,
> you can't keep a bad guy down.
> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama

Hey, Bill.  You know a week or so ago you were calling me "Greg", now 
you're calling Bob "Greg".  Guess what?  We're not all named "Greg".

...just most of us.

The 66 Toro and Greg


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:00:19 -0300
Subject: RE: barns, fields for cars

I have 5 acres and you'd be surprised at how fast it gets full. 

- ----------
From: 	Graham Stewart[SMTP:graham.stewart@utoronto.ca]
Sent: 	Saturday, September 07, 1996 7:58 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: barns, fields for cars

Bill Culp wrote:

> Andy,
> He's putting them in his barn like all of us do.  Don't they have barns 
> in Chicago?  Where did Mrs. Murphy keep her cow?

Speaking of this, how many of you folks live rurally (or have lots of space
around for vehicles)?  Do you find it helps with the hobby?  Of course with
enough willpower a car can be worked on anywhere.  I live in Toronto, where
everything costs a fortune, especially garage space, so my four cars (only
1 of which runs) are spread out around, some 60 miles away in storage.  Not
too good if you want to work on them regularly.  Just yesterday, though I
looked at a farmhouse and a few acres for sale about 80 miles southwest of
here: lots of room for cars, small buildings for storage, etc.  This place
would be great, but should lots of space be a requirement for an active
automotive hobby?  I think not, but I'm curious about the solutions us city
dwellers have to come up with.  

BTW, driving back and forth 160 miles a day in a 74 Ninety-Eight, I might
as well tow along a fuel tanker.  And expensive: gas costs about $2.00 -
2.50 a gallon up here.  Any advice on some reasonably fuel efficient cars,
that you don't feel like you've sold your soul (and principles) to drive?

Graham Stewart
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

------------------------------

From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:42:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

>From Greg Beaulieu:

> I'm curious... what does a valve job like this cost? What exactly did you
> have done to the heads? Did you do the removal/reinstall yourself or was
> it part of the cost? And did you have to do anything like replace the
> pushrods, rockers, pedestals, etc.? 
> 
> Thinking this will be in my future sooner or later...

Hi Greg ... well I had the valve job done because 2 exhaust manifolds broke
off in the driver's side head when I was taking off the old (single
exhaust) manifolds.  After a few days of agonizing I figured that I might
as well go the whole route and removed both heads (and intake manifold, of
course).  I called around here in Toronto and got a load of prices from
$220 per head to $200 for both.  All promised new springs (if necessary),
new seals and retainers, reground valves and new seats.  I choose one of
the cheaper guys because he sounded trustworthy, had seen and Olds cylinder
head before (some seemed confused with the idea of an Olds 455??), and
because he had a small shop.  The heads came back very nice after the acid
bath they were treated to and have perfored admirably.  The total cost
(including throwing the intake manifold into the acid bath as well) was
$230.00 cash.  Pushrods and rockers I cleaned and re-installed as they
were: the pushrods seemed straight (the car had been driven pretty gently
to that point in its life).

This is a good small, yet large repair to do because you end up removing so
much stuff (carb, brackets, cruise if it's there, intake, alternator, etc.)
that it's a good time to clean-up and refinish/repaint/rebuild other
components.  The problem for me was waiting for paycheques to manage each
bit: the whole affair took about 6 weeks (including the inevitable extra
work like replacing rusted fuel and brake lines that I get into when the
car is sitting around not driven, asking to be worked on.  

I'm probably exaggerating about the doubling of power, but with the new
heads and dual exhaust going on at the same time, there was a night and day
difference in the car's performance ... 

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

------------------------------

From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:09:29 -0300
Subject: Re:  66-67  wagon 

>Buick's seem to keep popping up here lately - the Sport Wagon (like our
>Vista Cruisers) was only produced for 2 years  - 3 at the most - '66 - '67
>or '68.  They're even HARDER to find than V-C's (I looked long & hard for my
>Vista Cruiser & saw virtually NO Sport Wagons. They might have been a
>'65-'67 run but I dont recall ever seeing or hearing of a '68 Sport Wagon.  

The Buick wagons were produced from 1964-1969 whey were only avalible with a
flat roof (no vista glass in 70) then dicsontinued completely.
Chuck Noppe 

Oldsnut @ westworld.com

67 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
68 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
71 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight LS
71 Cadillac Coupe Deville
72 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency

------------------------------

From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:13:33 -0300
Subject: 66 & 67 Toro brake lines clips

To all,

Thanks for all the assistance in helping me locate the OEM brake line clips.

I did find them at Year One as someone astutely pointed out. Turns out they 
have 4 pages 
of them and I found the exact ones I needed.

The people at Year One were VERY freindly and helpful. I recommend them whole 
heartedly 
to anyone. Turns out that there are many parts in the catalog that crossover 
to early 
Toronados too.

Thanks again,

Sparky

- -- 
Greg Kalkhoff                                      Driven Images
4217 W. Fond du Lac Ave.                http://cpeq.com/~edison3/dihome.html
Milwaukee, WI.  53216	
414-447-7500

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:37:36 -0300
Subject: Re:  66-67  wagon 

>The Buick wagons were produced from 1964-1969 whey were only avalible with a
>flat roof (no vista glass in 70) then dicsontinued completely.

No.  Where my folks live, there is a guy with a '71 buick sport wagon with a 
455 engine.  It was a green color and had an 85 MPH speedomenter.  I never 
raced it against my '72 350 Cutlass wagon, but his car's body was in worse 
shape.  I don't know about the vista glass but it sounds like you were saying 
the no buick wagons were produced after 1970.

Buick road monster wagon have been produced in the 90's.  LT-1 powered, unlike
the Chevy.  However all the cars on the 116" wheelbase are being discontinued.

Roger Borlase

------------------------------

From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 13:48:55 -0300
Subject: Re:  66-67  wagon 

>>The Buick wagons were produced from 1964-1969 whey were only avalible with a
>>flat roof (no vista glass in 70) then dicsontinued completely.
>
>No.  Where my folks live, there is a guy with a '71 buick sport wagon with a 
>455 engine.  It was a green color and had an 85 MPH speedomenter.  I never 
>raced it against my '72 350 Cutlass wagon, but his car's body was in worse 
>shape.  I don't know about the vista glass but it sounds like you were saying 
>the no buick wagons were produced after 1970.
>
>Buick road monster wagon have been produced in the 90's.  LT-1 powered, unlike
>the Chevy.  However all the cars on the 116" wheelbase are being discontinued.
>
>Roger Borlase
>

That is not at all what i meant to say, Buick has produced wagons continuously 
since after ww2 The smaller a body wagons with the vista roof were not
produced in the seventies according to The standard catalog of american cars
for 46-75

I was only pointing out that the vista roof was produced from 64-69 like the
oldsmobile.
Chuck Noppe 

Oldsnut @ westworld.com

66 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
67 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
68 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
71 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight LS
71 Cadillac Coupe Deville
72 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency
72 Oldsmobile Toronado Brougham
92 Mercury Grand Marquis

------------------------------

From: "Marvin Friesen" <gowest@mail.awinc.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 14:45:01 -0300
Subject: Re: barns, fields for cars

All this talk makes me homesick. Prior to moving here (Prince Rupert, BC),
I had a 4 car garage with a detached house on 1 1/2 acres in the BC
interior.

Stored my 2 1976 Cutlass's, my brothers 78 Malibu (350 4 spd std) and 48
Chev 283 auto). Hardly anyone knew; kept yard clean and cars out of view.

Now we pay big $ to store them. But I had to go. I had to dump my modest
boneyard too.
 
Prince Rupert sits on a small rock of an island; nothing here that really
meets my needs. I'm stuck in an apartment limited to researching Olds and
collecting diecasts, books, etc. Not even a wrecking yard here. I don't
know of a single 73-77 Cutlass in this salty (rusty) coastal city. I don't
plan to stay here forever.

Well, I've left my 1976 Cutlass's in the dry interior of BC, but, sad to
say, my daily driver, a 1983 Delta 88, is rusting away before my eyes.

Any tips on books, parts, collectables greatly appreciated. 

1976 Cutlass S (#1 Saddle Brown Metallic)
1976 Cutlass S (#2 Blue)
1983 Delta 88

Marvin Friesen
Prince Rupert, BC, Canada



- ----------
> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
> To: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
> Subject: Re: barns, fields for cars
> Date: Sunday, September 08, 1996 5:08 AM
> 
> Well, I wish i had a barn. Or even a garage, or a driveway. I live in a 
> big apartment complex in the middle of the city. Both my cars live in the

> underground garage. The upside: they don't get exposed to the weather and

> can stay inside when it's nasty. The downside: you can't do a whole lot 
> to them in there. I'm in one end of the place so I can manage an oil 
> change or whatever without drawing too much attention, but anything else 
> is pretty much prohibited. Not easy to do a resto in an apartment 
> either... though the bathtub sometimes makes a nice parts washer... :)
> 
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada
> 
> 
> 

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 18:18:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Buick/Olds 

Jeramy Goble wrote:
> 
> Sorry but my 460 "Police Cruiser" Mustang could take any of yer
> "old"smobiles...  heehee
> 
> (Son of a Toronado owner)...Haha

Careful!  Maybe could take some but *ALL*?  You might get Bob Handren 
and a couple of others pretty fired up over remarks like that.

...Ho-ho

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: "Wright, Thomas CDT " <x02311@exmail.usma.army.mil>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:33:22 -0300
Subject: RE: Buick/Olds 

I agree, your mustang maybe fast but when it comes to top end it would
have a hell of a hard time catching my Olds going for top end.

Tom Wright and the 66 Dynamic 88 "The Beast"

>----------
>From: 	Mike Frederick[SMTP:edison3@cpeq.com]
>Sent: 	Sunday, September 08, 1996 5:18 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject: 	Re: Buick/Olds 
>
>Jeramy Goble wrote:
>> 
>> Sorry but my 460 "Police Cruiser" Mustang could take any of yer
>> "old"smobiles...  heehee
>> 
>> (Son of a Toronado owner)...Haha
>
>Careful!  Maybe could take some but *ALL*?  You might get Bob Handren 
>and a couple of others pretty fired up over remarks like that.
>
>...Ho-ho
>
>The 66 Toro and Mike
>
>
>-- 
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
>
>
>

------------------------------

From: sbento@mecn.mass.edu
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:15:06 -0300
Subject: Re: OCA Blue/Gray Chapter Fall Show

Anybody out there have information on OCA shows this fall in the New 
England area???

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0


On Fri, 6 Sep 1996 PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:

> Just a reminder folks, 11th annual fall show for the Blue/Gray Chapter of OCA
> will be held NEXT Sunday, Sept. 15 in Hershey, PA.  Blue/Gray covers the
> areas of Pennsylvania and Northern MD.  If you're within driving distance of
> Hershey, you're invited to attend.  For further information email -
> PHartlieb@aol.com.  Hope to see you there.
> 
> Paul
> 
> 

------------------------------

From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:28:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Robert Lawrence wrote:

> 
> What are you talking about?  The 98's won't be out for two more years!


Yes, it's going to be too bad that they are discontinuing the 98 after 
this year.  Just two years short of being able to buy a '98 98.


Dan Gulino

------------------------------

From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:26:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

On Sat, 7 Sep 1996, Chuck Noppe wrote:

> From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
> Subject: Ninety Eight Oldsmobiles???????
> 
> I have been subscribing for a week or so and I don't seem to run into much 
talk
> about the bigger beasts. namely the Ninety Eights. Am I the only one out
> there with a love for the big comfortable road hogs? Yes, they are a bit

Chuck,

Yes, I like the big old cars, too.  You might check out "Frank's Land 
Yacht Marina" on the world wide web.  I don't remember the URL, but there 
is a link to it on my car page:

http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html

His site is a complete homage to the great land cruisers of the past.



Dan Gulino
'75 Delta 88 convertible

------------------------------

From: Daniel Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:30:58 -0300
Subject: Re: 68 442...should I buy it? 

>>>>cars: 1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 
1973  
>>>>Imperial LeBaron, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X, 1955 Cadillac Seville, 
1969  
>>>>Cadillac DeVille Convertibles (2), 1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood 
Brougham
>>>>1961 Imperial Custom, 1973 Buick 
Riviera                                     
>>>
>>>Then again, Dan, where are you going to *fit* that thing? ;)
>>
>>that's what my mom wants to know  :)
>>
>>Dan Dale
>>looking for a huge field
> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>I'd have thought you'd already found one. What are you doing,
>stacking them on end?  :-)


no, I've got a really LOOOOOOOOOOOONG driveway and a very cool mom  ;)

------------------------------

From: DESIMONEP@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:55:58 -0300
Subject: Which NEW Olds to buy? 

Howdy,

My wife needs a new car. She was in an accident while driving her Honda
Prelude, (hit head on by a 83 year old woman who without her glasses ran a
red light she didn't even see, and driving an early 70's Olds 98!!!  OUCH!
Well, needless to say the Honda was totalled and luckily after some surgery
my wife seems to be OK.

She's ready for a new car, price no object (thanks to the insurance
company!), and her prerequisites to me are that it's not "red", it has four
doors, a nice size trunk, automatic transmission, and that's it's as safe as
possible. Well, as for safe, I was thinking about a Chevy Suburban, now
that's safe as can be!!! But a little big for her. Sooooooo........

What new Olds can I show her, I am not up on the latest models, any
suggestions??

Thanks,

Phil De Simone
desimonep@aol.com
1968 Olds Cutlass "S" Convertible
1985 Camaro Z28 w/383 Stroker
1967 Chevy Custom 10 Pickup
1987 Honda CBR1000F Hurricane (for those 200 MPH moments!)

------------------------------

From: Daniel Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:03:35 -0300
Subject: RE: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

>I have been subscribing for a week or so and I don't seem to run into much 
talk
>about the bigger beasts. namely the Ninety Eights. Am I the only one out
>there with a love for the big comfortable road hogs? 

>71 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight LS
>71 Cadillac Coupe Deville
>72 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency

sounds like the start of a good collection....how big is your barn?    :)

I've got a '72 98 myself, except mine has a personality all her own   

;)





Dan Dale daleds@okra.millsaps.edu http://www.millsaps.edu/~daleds/index.html 
cars: 1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 1973  
Imperial LeBaron, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X, 1955 Cadillac Seville, 1969  
Cadillac DeVille Convertibles (2), 1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham
1961 Imperial Custom, 1973 Buick Riviera                                     

------------------------------

From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:22:21 -0300
Subject: Unlimited funds

At 07:59 PM 9/7/96 -0300, you wrote:

>I hope that I am speaking for most everyone when I say that we all have 
>unlimited likes but unlimited funds & time.
                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Hey, what's your secret?? :)
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:09:27 -0300
Subject: Qjet Choke Question, maybe more...

Here's one for all of you to try and diagnose.

On my '68, ever since we turned it into a original-style 4-barrel setup, 
there's been a driveability problem. I suspect leaky well plugs since it 
floods on a warm start and I hope to get those fixed soon. But the other 
thing it does may be related, maybe not.

After you start it when it's warm, the idle is very lumpy and slow, so
that the car wants to stall, though it never does. After it runs for a
couple of minutes it's fine. Anyway, yesterday I decided to tinker a
little with it. Immediately I discovered something interesting. It was
warm and when I restarted it, sure enough it would barely idle. I had the
air cleaner off and began to play with the choke linkage. Imagine my
surprise when I discovered that if I fed it a little choke, the idle
smoothed right out and the speed immediately went back to normal. When I
released the linkage, back to the slow, rough idle. 

I looked at it and decided I could try a couple of things. The choke 
linkage is controlled by the manifold-mounted choke spring and rod, and 
the way you adjust it is to bend the rod. So I played with that a little, 
but there wasn't enough adjustment there to make much of a difference. 
There is another rod that attached to the lever that is attached to the 
choke plate and I could bend that a little to sort of "preload" a little 
choke into the system all the time. I drove the car like that last night 
and it was better than previously on a restart. But today after sitting 
all night it didn't want to start and idle when cold because it had too 
much choke when cold, so I set it back to where it was. 

I find it strange that it needs some choke when it's warm, for a few 
minutes. My first thought was that it was a choke spring that wasn't 
retaining enough tension, but the engine is fully warm and shouldn't need 
choke. So why does it want some? Is it an ignition problem maybe related 
to the flooding? I'm thinking that maybe the flooding causes the plugs to 
foul and until they clear it needs less air to have complete combustion, 
i.e. it's getting too much air. Or do I just need a new choke unit with a 
stronger spring?

Regardless, gotta get those well plugs fixed soon...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:06:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

Jeramy Goble wrote:
> 
> Bill Culp wrote about a 66 starfire.
> 
> Dear Bill,
>      About that 66 Starfire down the street from you. Please tell me a
> bit about it and the price. I have not seen one of those in some time.
> Thanks,
> Reggie Goble


I have not just looked the car over closely, but I'll tell you what I 
recall.  It is medium metallic green inside & outw/very nice paint.  It 
is full power & air w/nice chrome.  The rear bumper was dented for a 
couple of years.  It was off for a couple of months & is now back on, 
straightened & probably rechromed. The car doesn't look to be a high 
mileage car - mostly original.  It is driven some (every few weeks).  I 
believe that the price was $6500 a few months ago - probably better now. 
 I can check on the car more fully.  I have never been within 5' of the 
car & can't swear to its condition - but it looks nice. 

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:08:32 -0300
Subject: Re: 68  SS1 wheels...

mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
> 
> Bill,
> I haven't looked at those wheels for some time, but they had their own
> individual numbers stamped into the wheels. They will be an all chrome 14x6
> wheel. They look alike until you look at the back of the wheel. The wheel for
> disc brakes will have a much larger open area to accomodate the larger brake
> assembly. Naturally, the drum brake wheel has a smaller area. Now you know as
> much as I do about these wheels.
> 
> Art Fuller


Art,

I may take one off & try it against my '70 GS w/disc brakes to see if it 
will fit.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:05:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Buick/Olds 

Ah well here's the thing.  It's a bit like comparing apples to oranges, 
trying to compare a 460 Mustang with an Olds full-frame car with a 455.  
Built to a street spec you wouldn't find much difference in power. Going 
racing on stock 460 heads is kind of like going racing on stock 455 
heads.  They'll get you so far but then that's it.  Then we move up to 
aluminum heads, which for a 460 means about a grand and for an olds means 
about four or five grand.  Then we go and deal with problems and 
solutions in the bottom end to support a racing head.  Then we decide to 
move on to an aftermarket block, etc,etc, at which point marque means 
little.  So a statement such as my 460 Ford can take on any of your 
Oldsmobiles is something someone who really didnt do a lot of thinking 
about racing would make.  Otherwise he would see the futility of such 
messages since the Oldsmobile marque covers corporate racing engines such 
as the GM Rocket block and the Olds DRCE, and the Ford marque covers all 
kinds of Motorsport engines.  These engines are designed to be 
specifically competitive with each other so....the marque point is moot.  
What is the point of using a aluminum headed, race prepped 460 in a 
Mustang to go after mostly stock 455's in midsize cars?

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:24:28 -0300
Subject: '64 Master Cylinder

Strictly speaking this is a Buick question, but I'm sure the principle is 
the same for an Olds, so here goes...

It hasn't been a great weekend for my cars here. After yesterday's 
adventures with the Qjet on the Cutlass, this morning I decided to do 
some routine maintenance on my '64 Skylark convertible. While the oil was 
draining out of it I decided to do the usual system checks. Imagine my 
shock when I discovered that the master cylinder -- one of those old 
style single cylinders that never gave me a whole lot of confidence 
anyway -- was very nearly *empty*!!! Yikes! I mean, you could see the 2 
holes in the bottom of the thing. Surprised I had any brakes at all. 

Anyways, I went and picked up a bottle of brake fluid and topped it up,
then set out to find the source of the leak. The brakes on this car have
never given a problem in the 4 years I've owned it. I pumped the pedal and
then crawled around looking at the wheels, lines and hoses from underneath
and saw nothing wrong. Hmmm. Thinking that maybe steady pressure would 
reveal it, I wedged a board between the pedal and the seat to give 
constant engagement and did the same thing. Discovered I had not right 
rear brake lights but still no leak. Replaced the right rear bulb with a 
new one, no change. Double hmmmm. Brake light wiring problems maybe I 
thought. Sh*t, I hate wiring problems. Crawled under the dash to check 
connections, etc. 

Well, I found the leak. Brake fluid was seeping from where the rod from 
the pedal goes though the firewall! Looks like it's time for a new master 
cylinder. Two questions:

1. Anyone ever converted a '64-'66 A-body from a single to a dual master 
cylinder? What's involved? I like the idea of the extra safety. The car 
has manual drum brakes, BTW.

2. On the brake light problem, I suspect a short in the turn signal 
switch. I have turn signals and taillights on the right rear, just no 
brake lights. That tells me the bulb and continuity to it is OK, but that 
there's a short somewhere. The only place I can see according to the 
wiring diagrams where this might happen is the t/s switch. A pain to fix 
(you have to pull the stering wwheel) so if anyone has any ideas before I 
do that, they'd be appreciated... 

At least the oil change went OK.... :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:34:05 -0300
Subject: Nascar Question

I was in a shop the other day that dealt in racing memorabilia and they 
had a huge selection of Nascar diecast models. Mostly all Ford & Chevy, 
but they had a neat-looking model of a '76 or '77 Cutlass with what I 
think were Richard Childress decals on it. Almost bought it but passed. 
Got me thinking: did these Olds Nascar stockers use Rocket V-8s? Or was 
it just a Chevy in Olds clothing? Anyone know?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Daniel Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:48:57 -0300
Subject: RE: Which NEW Olds to buy? 

>She's ready for a new car, price no object (thanks to the insurance
>company!), and her prerequisites to me are that it's not "red", it has four
>doors, a nice size trunk, automatic transmission, and that's it's as safe as
>possible. Well, as for safe, I was thinking about a Chevy Suburban, now
>that's safe as can be!!! But a little big for her. Sooooooo........
>
>What new Olds can I show her, I am not up on the latest models, any
>suggestions??
   

88 LSS...looks good, very fast (for its size), 4 doors, and dual airbags


Dan Dale daleds@okra.millsaps.edu http://www.millsaps.edu/~daleds/index.html 
cars: 1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 1973  
Imperial LeBaron, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X, 1955 Cadillac Seville, 1969  
Cadillac DeVille Convertibles (2), 1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham
1961 Imperial Custom, 1973 Buick Riviera                                     

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:35:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Unlimited funds

Dave Paulison wrote:
> 
> At 07:59 PM 9/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
> 
> >I hope that I am speaking for most everyone when I say that we all have
> >unlimited likes but unlimited funds & time.
>                      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> 
> Hey, what's your secret?? :)
> --
> Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
> dpauliso@metrolink.net


This darn computer.  It was told over & over to say limited - limited 
funds & time that is.  Wow, & these gsdgets are supposed to be fool 
proof.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:43:54 -0300
Subject: Cutlass S vs. Supreme

At 08:57 AM 9/8/96 -0300, you wrote:

>The difference depends on the year. On your '68 (and in '69 too), the 
>Supreme was a dolled up Cutlass with special exterior trim and paint, a 
>nicer interior, 4-barrel carb, and that's about it.  Super looking car that
you >almost never see anymore (anyone have one of these?). 

Yeah, I do...69 Cutlass Supreme four door hard top.  Had some extra chrome
trim along the sides of the car that went along the bottoms of the doors and
over both wheel wells.  Got broken off and thrown out by the body shop where
my then-girlfriend (now wife) had the car painted.  "Uh, we musta lost
it...we cleaned out the shop last week, and it musta got thrown out.
Sorry!"  I was furious!  Never got it back.  The car is without it today.
It also says "Cutlass Supreme" on the glovebox door.  That is the only thing
different about it as compared to an S model (I think..)

The car doesn't look bad without the chrome.  I may not even try to get any
to replace it.  I'm used to the de-chromed sides now.
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 08:48:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

At 12:36 PM 9/8/96 -0300, you wrote:
>     About that 66 Starfire down the street from you. Please tell me a 
>bit about it and the price. I have not seen one of those in some time. 

There's one of those just down the street from me.  Nice looking car.
Stopped by to take a look at it a couple weeks ago, that was the first time
I've seen a Starfire up close.  It sits at a used car lot/auto service
place.  Belongs to one of the shop owners.  He claims the interior is
original, except the front seat upholstery.  Front buckets with a center
console, factory tach (working), factory clock (working), red paint/white
interior.  The fellow said he's considering selling it for $6500.  Seems a
little much.
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 12:26:58 -0300
Subject: Re: 66-67  wagon

Roger M. Borlase wrote:
> 
> >The Buick wagons were produced from 1964-1969 whey were only avalible with a
> >flat roof (no vista glass in 70) then dicsontinued completely.
> 
> No.  Where my folks live, there is a guy with a '71 buick sport wagon with a
> 455 engine.  It was a green color and had an 85 MPH speedomenter.  I never
> raced it against my '72 350 Cutlass wagon, but his car's body was in worse
> shape.  I don't know about the vista glass but it sounds like you were saying
> the no buick wagons were produced after 1970.
> .
> 
> Roger Borlase

Roger,

Buick made vista roof station wagons from 1964 through about 1969.  The 
flat roof models were made late in that body model as well as at the 
same time as the vista roof models.  When I went shopping for a station 
wagon in the 1973 model year, only Olds had a vista vent (sunroof).

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:11:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Buick/Olds 

Take us where? Out on a date?  I figure that would be a good idea, seeing 
as how tacky and plain Ford interiors are comparaed to stylish Oldsmobile 
interiors.  Having done a lot of cruising in Fords and my Olds, I'd have 
to say my Olds just feels a lot nicer inside.  A friend owns the Ford 
equivalent of my car, the 72 Torino, and in addition to being just an 
inferior chassis, the interior inspires me about as much as a mail 
truck.  No hard feelings, though, some cars were just designed with 
different things in mind eh?  We won't even get into fitting a bunch of 
friends comfortably into a Mustang for some serious cruising...heehee

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:45:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

Daniel Gulino wrote:
> 
> Yes, it's going to be too bad that they are discontinuing the 98 after
> this year.  Just two years short of being able to buy a '98 98.

That's marketing weenies, for ya.  Bet the thought 
never crossed their teeney, tiny, little minds.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Daniel Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:40:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

>Hi Greg ... well I had the valve job done because 2 exhaust manifolds broke
>off in the driver's side head when I was taking off the old (single
>exhaust) manifolds. 

does this mean you installed dual exhaust manifolds?  I need a pair BAD for my
72...do you have an extra pair, or at least the pass. side? 


Dan Dale daleds@okra.millsaps.edu http://www.millsaps.edu/~daleds/index.html 
cars: 1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 1973  
Imperial LeBaron, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X, 1955 Cadillac Seville, 1969  
Cadillac DeVille Convertibles (2), 1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham
1961 Imperial Custom, 1973 Buick Riviera                                     

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 18:17:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Cutlass S vs. Supreme

On Tue, 10 Sep 1996, Dave Paulison wrote:
> Yeah, I do...69 Cutlass Supreme four door hard top.  Had some extra chrome
> trim along the sides of the car that went along the bottoms of the doors and
> over both wheel wells.  Got broken off and thrown out by the body shop where
> my then-girlfriend (now wife) had the car painted.  "Uh, we musta lost
> it...we cleaned out the shop last week, and it musta got thrown out.
> Sorry!"  I was furious!  Never got it back.  The car is without it today.

Dave, that must have been infuriating. But the most amazing thing for me 
is that you married her in spite of that... with some guys I know around 
here, that would be grounds for divorce... :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 17:16:12 -0300
Subject: RE: Which NEW Olds to buy? 

Definitely a Bravada (AWD and rear disc brakes), or an 88 LS 
(floor mounted shifter) or LSS (higher final-drive ratio).

Roger Borlase

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