
oldsmobile-digest           Friday, 12 July 1996        Volume 01 : Number 235


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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:37:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: NAOC Nationals

JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 96-07-10 11:02:38 EDT, you write:
> 
> << Personally, I think that they ought to raise it every year so that the
>  most recent year recognized is 25 years old.  Thus, each year they could
>  recognize a new model year and celebrate its officially becoming an
>  "antique" and welcoming it into the club. >>
> 
> 
> If they don't start moving it up the membership will age itself out of a
> club.
> 
> Bob Handren
> 
>           Isn't this the same problem Cadillac has with their owner
>           base?
> 
>           Joe Padavano
>          The Studebaker Driver's Club is one of the largest independent clubs.  
they probably stayed alive & viable because they did drive the cars & 
didn't mind modifying them.  The last Studebaker was made in 1966 & now 
the cars are getting old & so are the owners.  Many are now not drivers 
& highly restored.  Some have even gotten valuable & parts harder to 
find.  The membership base has stayed constant for the last few years.  
It is only a matter of time before the numbers go down.

Possibly the only way is for there to be an umbrella club that is not so 
reactionary to either the new or the old to save some of these fine old 
cars & clubs. 
- -- 
SLTG

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:38:02 -0300
Subject: Re: brakes, misc. stuff -Reply

Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:
> 
> The result was a huge cloud of thick white smoke, with a wide open  V-8 
> Olds charging out of it.  With the correct timing on the brakes and 
> gas, I could make it look and sound just like the burnouts at the drag 
> strip.

It's great fun in a Toro too.  A little harder to see through the 
smoke but great fun none the less.

> Sorry, kinda got off subject there, didn't I?

I forget, what were you saying?

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:42:22 -0300
Subject: On the road again!

All,

I'll be out of town until Sunday so if I fail to reply to your post or 
fail to make a smart remark, don't think I don't still love ya.   ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Toronado66@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:00:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Toronotes, incl. vac. adv. Q's 

In a message dated 96-07-11 13:16:30 EDT, rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU
(Robert J. Barry) writes:

<< * First and formost, what is the best way to limit the amoung of vacuum
 advance on this beast (stock distributor)? I get a pinging under light
 throttle, which goes away under a heavy foot or downshifting. >>

Dr. Bob,

All I can do is tell you how I eleviated this situation when I had my 68. I
did back off the timing just a wee bit. I didn't use a scope, just found that
"sweet spot" where I still had power with decreased pinging. I also put in
"hot" plugs.....Autolite 85's....that seemed more than anything to fix the
problem. I could always tell when I had lesser grade gas in it...ping ping
ping....I HATE that!! ): I tried those octane boosters too...$$$$ and not
very effective as far as I'm concerned.

>* Second, are there available any heater control valves for the '69 Toro
>with Comfortron?  

I may have one I will part with...not sure if it will fit yours
however.......?????? I'ts off a 67.  I remember 3 vacuum lines comming off it
and the main water supply going through it.   Sound familiar?

>* Thirdm, is the Toronado speedometer wildly optimistic, or what? Unless
>everybody else only drives 70 mph whan I'm in my Toro, the speedometer seems
>about 10-15mph high! 

I also have that feeling....however, you can check very easily!  Just note
the odometer reading at the mile markers on the superslab to check. If the
odemeter is true....the speedometer should be accurate. If you are running
oversized tires  > than J78-15's...you will have a LOWER speedo reading. I
have P235 75's on my 66 now. (fairly big) and while driving behind my buddy
who has a 96 88 for 600 miles...we were off only by 3 miles at end of trip on
the odometer.....I also did speed checks along the way and seemed to be right
on.......so I guess you have to do a little checking with that.

>there is nothing covering the rear metal panel, just behind the
>taillights; is there a piece with a cardboard backing for this, or should I
>just make one up? Is this felt available as a kit? In addition, what is that
>rubberized material underneath the felt on the floor of the trunk? Can that
>be replaced? 
 
There should be felt  hanging from the upper inside lip of tail panel. You
can get it from most any vendor and cut to size. I attached mine with the
black GM contact cement...worked well. You prolly cannot get it
precut/formed. It comes in bulk and you cut to size. Should come in the
original color too.  That stuff on the botton of the trunk is a sort of tar
paper. It always rips apart when you try and peel it off. I have never seen
replacements for this. Ask around...perhaps Mike Fusick has an answer.  You
might be able to use a thick tar paper and cut to size....thats really all it
is anyway. 

>The piece I have has part of it broken off, but is serviceable; I am,
>however, missing the case that slips over it and keeps everthing inside.
>Does anyone have one of these jack cases? I could make up a nice wooden case
>to replace the pink styrofoam and slipcover case, but would like to stay
>original if possible.

Again, I believe Fusick (et all) has those. I have a couple of the cardboard
jackets...not sure if it will fit a 69 though??!!??!!

Hope that helps!  (:

Sparky

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 16:01:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for sympathy

JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com wrote:
> 
>           Well, I'll be off the air for the next week and a half, as
>           we are leaving for Hawaii first thing in the morming.  I
>           need sympathy for two reasons.
> 
>           First, we're taking the three kids
> 
>           
>           Second, we're taking the mother-in-law
> 
>           Third (our main weapon is fear...fear and surprise, our two
>           main weapons...), there will be at least 800 messages from
>           this mail list when I get back 
> 
>           Joe Padavano
>           Wow!

I'll send you my Viet Nam medals.  You're the bravest man I ever met, 
heard of, thought of.
- -- 
SLTG

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@kfmw.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 15:01:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for wheels

Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a set of Super Stock II wheels they might want to get
> rid of?  I've been looking all over hell 'n' high water for a set.  Seems the
> previous owner didn't like the looks and sent 'em to the dumps (jerk).  I'm
> actually quite fond of the aluminum mags he replaced them with, but I
> like the original look more.
> 
> -BS
I've got SS II and III.  All the early bolt on type.  All the SSIIs need 
to be painted.  Let me know if you are interested in any.

- -Dan

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 22:13:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for wheels

Blaine,
what size wheels are you looking for?  What year?

Art Fuller

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:10:49 -0300
Subject: Re: NAOC Nationals 

In a message dated 96-07-11 09:55:33 EDT, you write:

>> > Well, seeing that they have an aversion to anything that's not full
>> > size (they don't even like Toronados!)
>> 
>> Whoa!  The Toro's gonna be REAL suprised to find out she's a compact!
>> 
>> The 66 Toro and Mike
>> 
>> --
>>  Mike:
>
>Not everyone feels as you do.  I've heard of one who has to fire-gut the 
>interior of his just to get enough room in his toronado.  I'll agree 
>that I've never known 

Well, I'm gonna hafta start proof-reading things a little better before
they're sent  I seem to have put the wrong message across.  I don't think
it's that the Toronado isn't considered full-sized, which of course it is,
but that it seems to be a "class of it's own".  NAOC seems to be strictly
concerned with B & C body cars.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:11:23 -0300
Subject: Re: NAOC Nationals 

In a message dated 96-07-11 15:33:21 EDT, you write:

> Paul >>
>
>Then try OCA, it ain't perfect but it's a lot less judgemental.
>
>Bob

Been in OCA since '87 - wouldn't know what to do without it.  True it ain't
perfect, but it'd be awful boring if it was.  Always have a blast at Nats,
can hardly wait til August

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:13:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: NAOC Nationals 

In a message dated 96-07-11 16:13:22 EDT, you write:

>You're partly right.  '64 was the FIRST year of the 330 (not 303), but it
>was the

Uh, sorry, but I think you mis-understood him.  303 was the original rocket
back in '49.  Bored to 324 for '54, 371 for '57 and to 394 for '61.  Was
replace by the new 425 in '65.

330 was a different engine.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:13:03 -0300
Subject: Re: NAOC Nationals 

In a message dated 96-07-11 15:34:07 EDT, you write:

>Really?  Why just '64 442's?  The NAOC permits "modified" as in outright
race
>cars and street cars with custom paint and body modifications, roll bars,
>headers, blowers, chrome, 3" exhaust, fat & skinny tires, modified
>suspensions, etc.?  Do these modified Oldsombiles have classes of their own?
> Are they eligible for judging and recognized with awards?  

They allow '64 442s 'cause they allow all '64 Oldses, even the Abodies - but
that's where they draw the line -- '64.

Yes, NAOC permits modified cars.  They are in a separate class.  At
Morgantown WV in '93 they had about 5 if I remember correctly.  And they do
have judging of these cars and awards.  One of these cars is a '50 98
Fastback Coupe.  It's maroon and has late '50s Cadillac aluminum wheels on
radial tires.  I don't know exactly what's under the hood, but it's a pretty
powerful car.  You may have seen this car at OCA Nats in the modified class.
 They also had a '50 88 there, nosed and decked, '56 spinners and rolled &
pleated interior.  Then there's a '49 98 "Roadster", a two seater made from
an extremely rare Holiday Coupe (that guy should be shot!) that appears to
have a windshield made from the wrap-around rear window of a mid '50s Olds.
 On the rear cover of the March '94 issue of R to R is a photo of a modified
1939 G-39 "70" Series 2-door sedan.  Copy reads "...Olds is a 50's style
custom, modification include a chopped top, V butted windshield, molded front
fenders and a one piece hood with remote opener.  The Olds sports Dummy
spotlights, single bar hupcaps and Teardrop fender skirts.  The G"70" has
been updated with Nova suspension systems front and rear, power steering,
power brakes, Olds tilt steering column and powered by a GM small block V8."
 One last example, is the late Tommy Brinsfield's '50 88 Club coupe.  Painted
Crest Blue, it was equipped with a large engine, air conditioning, and power
steering, plus hot pink wheels and hot pink neon lights on the undercarriage.

Maybe you could tell them you're W30 is really a '50 Club coupe with
extensive body modifications and a non-original power plant?

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:12:35 -0300
Subject: No Fair! 

In a message dated 96-07-11 15:33:45 EDT, you write:

>Chris,
>
>I got the box with the radio, spring, and relay in mail.  Thanks.  Hope the
>hornets are going away.  I didn't see any in the box.
> -- 
>Paul Bartlett

Awwwww.  Now c'mon.  I didn't get a box in the mail with all this nifty stuff
in it!  Let's be fair here!  Maybe you don't have my correct address?  Geesh!

Paul Hartlieb

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:12:36 -0300
Subject: Re: "Coke Bottle" Styling?? (WAS Re: NAOC Nationals) 

In a message dated 96-07-11 08:36:21 EDT, you write:

>To which models are you referring, Paul?  I would hardly call the styling
>of my '67 Cutlass as 'coke bottle'... in fact, *I've* observed that '67 was
>the last year for the 'squarish' styling of the A-bodies; GM went to the
>more rounded style in '68.

Sorry, should have made myself clearer here.  I was referring to the big
guys.  I consider my '67 98 to have coke bottle styling 'cause the fender
line starts on the high side and takes a dip back around the 1/4 window, then
balloons out and starts to taper towards the rear.  Corvettes do fit the
"coke bottle" mold better than my '98 though.

Paul
'67 (not-so coke bottle looking) 98 Holiday Coupe

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:12:51 -0300
Subject: The Doctor is Out 

Leaving tomorrow after work for NAOC Nats at Wheeling, WV.  See that king of
hell I can raise.  Can't wait to relate some of the good comments,
suggestions and wise-cracks that have come to surface here.  Never thought a
simple "Are you going" question would generate so much feed back.

Since they refuse to recognize my '67 98, I'm boycotting and going in the '96
Monte Carlo.  They want to be bull-headed, I can be too.  See ya's on Monday,
if they don't kill me and sacrifice me in the name of Ransom Olds!

Paul
West Virginia Bound

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From: "Darrell T. Weinman, M.D." <bigd@wave.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 13:30:48 -0300
Subject: Olds to Saab

Dear Oldsers:

I'm 62.  The best new car until 1987 was a '70 Toro.  

In the early 70's, I thought GM was never going to produce another 
convertible with performance.  In '75 I found a used 442 convertible 
which I still own.  Three tops, new engine, three paint jobs, and 140K 
miles.  Still enjoy it.

In '87, I couldn't buy a Cutlass convertible.  Opted for a Saab 900 
turbo convertible.  Now on the third, '96 900 SET.  Replaced GM sedans 
with 9000 Aero turbo.  Came close to an Aurora instead of the '94 
Aero, but my local dealer didn't handle the Aurora.

Any others out there that found Saab a solution for Olds yearnings?

DTW

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:35:40 -0300
Subject: OCA  Nationals

I see many comments about the NAOC Nationals and haven't seen anything about the 
OCA Nationals in Atlanta next month.  Is anybody going to Atlanta?

Art Fuller

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 18:37:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: NAOC Nationals

Daniel Gulino wrote:
> 
> At 05:05 PM 7/11/96 -0300, you wrote:
> 
> >> I think a great statement would be for about 50 1964 442 owners to show > up
> >at an NAOC national meet one year.
> >
> >          Uhhh...are there 50 1964 442s still on the road?
> >
> 
> If not, let's just haul 'em in from junkyards!  That would be even better!
> 
> ************************************************
> Daniel A. Gulino
> Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
> Department of Chemical Engineering
> Ohio University
> Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
> (614) 593-1495
> (614) 593-0873 (fax)
> gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
> http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
> ************************************************Dan:

I believe that Jefferson, Hancock, & Franklin are cheering in their 
graves at you bunch of revolutionaries.  They used to call that 
'twisting the lion's tail'.
- -- 
SLTG

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From: R4C442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 23:38:50 -0300
Subject: Re: 350 to 455 conversion - Part 2 

What kind of radio does it have? I'm looking for a working AM\FM for a 1973
Delta 88.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:01:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 1988 Toronado Trofeo

Mike Frederick wrote:
> 
> JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com wrote:
> >
> >(no, Chris Witt isn't the only smart**s on the list :))
> 
> Oh?  So you've noticed?   ;)
> 
> The 66 Toro and Mike
> 
> --
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO
> Darn!  you can't keep a secret in this place.
- -- 
SLTG

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:25:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds to Saab

>Any others out there that found Saab a solution for Olds yearnings?
>
>DTW


What the ??????

- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:26:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for wheels

At 08:30 PM 7/11/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Does anyone have a set of Super Stock II wheels they might want to get
>rid of?  I've been looking all over hell 'n' high water for a set.  Seems the
>previous owner didn't like the looks and sent 'em to the dumps (jerk).  I'm
>actually quite fond of the aluminum mags he replaced them with, but I
>like the original look more.
>

Well, there's a couple junkyards in the general vicinity around here that
have two or three sets each.  Most need sandblasting/painting/etc.  Have you
checked the local junkyards in your area??

- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 22:28:25 -0300
Subject: Re: OCA  Nationals

>I see many comments about the NAOC Nationals and haven't seen anything
about >the 
>OCA Nationals in Atlanta next month.  Is anybody going to Atlanta?

>Art Fuller


When are they?  I would consider making that trip...

- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Toronado66@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:11:41 -0300
Subject: Brake Line Clips 

Fellow Olds enthusiasts:

I know I asked this question before, but I have the need to ask again.

Where the heck can I get OEM brake line clips for series one Toronados? They
HAVE to be the same as ALL the Olds's in the 60's! For that matter, they are
probably the same as the entire GM line of the era!!!

Someone suggested that I contact Year One. Thanks...I did....TWICE, once by
mail and once by phone. That was over 2 months ago and I never recieved their
catalog.  AARRGGHHHH!   Every parts counter dolt in town tells me they are
not available and to use the plastic straps.....NOT GONNA DO IT!!!!! What do
they use on the newer cars then?.... I ask them.....(I get a lot of shoulder
shrugging)  Again...AAARRGGHHHH!

I'm sure somewhere, someone has done a resto, or at least a complete brake
job on their Olds...what did you (they) use? (other than plastic ties)

I don't mean to be boneheaded about this, and realize that plastic ties sorta
work, but I prefer to do it with OEM clips for a snugger fit and durability.

I'm really baffled by this one!

Any and all help here would certainly be appreciated.

Thanks folks!

Sparky

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:13:30 -0300
Subject: Re: OCA  Nationals

mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
> 
> I see many comments about the NAOC Nationals and haven't seen anything about the
> OCA Nationals in Atlanta next month.  Is anybody going to Atlanta?
> 
> Art Fuller

Art:

I'll go somehow even if I am in the midst of moving 17 dcars to another 
state.  I may not be able to take my car, but Atlanta is too near & the 
Nationals too good an oportunity to miss.  I hope to see you there.
- -- 
SLTG

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 19:17:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds to Saab

Dave Paulison wrote:
> 
> >Any others out there that found Saab a solution for Olds yearnings?
> >
> >DTW
> 
> What the ??????
> 
> --
> Dave Paulison         

Am I not supposed to be happy with my merry Oldsmobile?  Nobody told me.
- -- 
SLTG

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:09:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Temperature Gauge.... 307/4Bbl 

At 00:54 7.11.96 -0300, you wrote:
>>the amount of HP the fan would take i think is almost nil...i think the
>>whole concept of that clutch fan is flawed anyway...the heat from the engine
>>must work its way to the clutch to make it engage...i think the best would
>>be to run a restricter instead of a thermostat, and have electric fans run
>>on a temp switch in the coolant flow...that way it would keep it at an
>>optimal temp...

>Well, a thermostat is a temperature-controlled restrictor, so you already
>have your wish there. Thermostatically controlled lectric fans are also a
>good bet, but you have to remember that the drag from the fan that you free
>up by removing the engine-driven fan is replaced by the increased drag from
>the alternator, now generating electricity to run the electric fans.
>
>Six of one, half-dozen of another...
>

but wouldnt you be able to keep the engine at a more optimal temp...by
directly monitoring the coolant temp and using just a restrictor......that
way the fans wouldnt be running at all times...just enough to keep it at the
temp you want
                        zack

>-----------
>- Bob Barry
>- 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
>- 1978 Electra Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)
>
>
>

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From: Toronado66@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:26:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Toronotes, incl. vac. adv. Q's 

In a message dated 96-07-11 14:04:52 EDT, you write:

>I have that problem... well, had that problem... since the cable went
>last week the speedometer just reads zero.  Someone mentioned
>possible weak magnets in the speedometer?  I don't know how to fix it.
>
>

Bob,

Thats a distinct possibility. However, I believe when they get weak (if they
do) the speedo bounces around alot and doesn't stabilize as the spring
overpwers it. Just a theory here.

I have several spares boxed up north...I will take a closer look at those
barrel speedos once and really see waht makes them tick!

Greg K.

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From: David1756@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 00:47:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Other lists... 

try amc-list@scan.si.edu.

best wishes  - David Wilk (temporarily without Olds but I do have a beautiful
68 AMC Rebel convertible for sale.)

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:04:29 -0300
Subject: Re: OCA  Nationals

Lloyd,
I will be with the North Texas Olds Club group.  Don't miss it. See you there.

Art Fuller

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:01:40 -0300
Subject: Re: OCA  Nationals

Dave,
It's just around the corner for you. They will be held in Atlanta, starting 
Wednesday, August 7 and lasting until Sunday, August 11. The host hotel, where 
all the cars will be, is the Atlanta Northwest Marriot.  The hotel is located  
at about 11 o'clock looking at a map of the loop around Atlanta.  You should 
come if you want to see a bunch of show cars and meet a bunch of good people.

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From: Toronado66@aol.com
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 01:31:55 -0300
Subject: Re: RECALL! 

In a message dated 96-07-10 18:35:57 EDT, edison3@cpeq.com (Mike Frederick)
writes:

<< Folks,
 
 Not sure if I got this right but last night on the news I heard a major 
 GM recall for either 95-96 or 96-97 cars including the 88 and 98.  
 Something about engine fires and not trying to start your car with the 
 hood up. (?)  Interested parties may want to call their dealers.
 
 Not sure if Sparky's involved or not.    ;)
  >>

Sorry, I only burn up mid 60's classic cars of value!  (:

Sparky

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From: Dave Isho <davei-2@mail.idt.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:47:28 -0300
Subject: Re: 67 diff. 

At 04:09 PM 7/11/96 -0300, you wrote:
>...Anytime you pull an axle mark the position of the axle
>bearing race relative to the housing as you pull it out of the housing...
>
Thanks for the info Bob.

 >Dave Isho --- davei-2@mail.idt.net
     >67 Cutlass CS Convertible
     

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From: Dave Isho <davei-2@mail.idt.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 01:56:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for wheels 

At 08:30 PM 7/11/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Does anyone have a set of Super Stock II wheels they might want to get
>rid of?

Last year at Carlisle I saw dozens of sets (OK maybe a couple more than a
couple of sets :-)), if you are close enough, the summer event is July 26-28.

 >Dave Isho --- davei-2@mail.idt.net
     >67 Cutlass CS Convertible
     

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 03:29:36 -0300
Subject: MT parts info

Tried fussing around with my box-o-shifter parts today to assemble a 
complete set of shift rods to use with my M-21 and factory-type Hurst 
Competition Plus shifter.  I have a few questions for the manual trans 
literate out there:

1.  I noticed two different sizes of pin where the shifter rod attaches 
to the shift lever (metal piece attached to the shift forks inside the 
transmission).  What does this signify and what do you do if you have a 
small pin and a large shift lever hole? Install a larger bushing or get 
an entirely different shift lever?

2. Does anyone have a reverse shift rod for sale? Or any other such parts 
for that matter. Email me.

3. Are there different mounting brackets for the shifter for different 
applications?  I am referring to the metal piece that you bolt to the 
tailshaft which the shifter bolts onto.

4. What does the shifter look like for a 72 Cutlass 4-speed application?  
I noticed two basic types in my pile of shifters...one, the neck that the 
stick bolts to is straight out of the top of the shifter.  The other 
type, the neck is offset about 1.5" to the right.  Which will fit the 
factory Cutlass console?

Hope to hear from the manual trans experts out there soon!

- -Paul

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 06:21:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Car Craft www column 

>>The recent issue of Car Craft has a www column featuring three sites.
>>Suprise, suprise, the first is a Ch*vy (Nova) site.  The great thing is
>>that in the Netscape 2.x frame on the left is "Bryceman's Olds Page, Olds
>>Extravaganza"!  I would expect Bryce's page would be featured soon!
>
>Cool Dave, thanks alot! Was that the August issue? Hows everything with you?
>
     Yeah, I can't believe they'd put a nova sight on there.  I guess
~something~ had to make those Pacers look ~good~!!  While we're here, check
out page 54 of the same issue--Sharp little poptop Cutlass right in the
spotlight.  Like to see more of that one on the pages.  (Does it belong to
anyone on this list??)  Flip the page and find a GS smoking something.  I
~like~ this issue.  That's already TWO cars that do not say Camaro or
Mustang!  Things are looking up, right??!!
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 06:21:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Gremlins (WAS RE: Other lists...) 

>In a message dated 96-07-10 10:42:42 EDT, you write:
>
><< 
> > From: 	Blaine Sanders 5483[SMTP:BLAINES@strata3d.com]
> 
> > (I personally think Gremlin's are one of the *ugliest* cars ever made, but
> > he sees something in it...)
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > -BS
> 
> I agree with you on their frugliness, Blaine, but that is just my personal
> and subjective taste; However, I did have a friend in HS who had one with
> a built-up 304, which made it a bit impressive... I remember he could
> pop wheelies at will, one memorable time in particular, in heavy traffic
> leaving the Cape Cod Coliseum (RIP) after a Kinks concert...
> 
> 
> 
> Tim Churchill >>
>
>
>Gremlins are also a favorite of demolition derby drivers.  Seem the unit body
>construction is very well designed and they are tough to beat to death too.
> They're still ugly.
>
>Bob Handren
>
>
     Yeah, some came with 390's, too, with posi units of similar numbers.
Could be quite nasty...   AND UGLY...
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 455
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: "Shokouhi, Mike" <shokouhm@nasd.com>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 06:32:12 -0300
Subject: Underbody color of H/O?

Don't know if this got lost during the deluge of error emails-so
resending: 

Hello,

Could anyone tell me the "correct" color (code) for the black that the
underbody of a '69 H/O should be, and if it's different than the
firewall black (GM recondition black?).

Continuing on the correct color idea:  I was reading a current resto.
mag. (forget exact name) and it said that for a late '60s A-body the
suspension parts should be 60% black, while "The Guide.." by Shaw states
natural for most parts.

Thnx for any and all help,

Mikee 

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:10:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Underbody color of H/O?

On Fri, 12 Jul 1996, Shokouhi, Mike wrote:
> Could anyone tell me the "correct" color (code) for the black that the
> underbody of a '69 H/O should be, and if it's different than the
> firewall black (GM recondition black?).
> 
> Continuing on the correct color idea:  I was reading a current resto.
> mag. (forget exact name) and it said that for a late '60s A-body the
> suspension parts should be 60% black, while "The Guide.." by Shaw states
> natural for most parts.

Don't know of the underbody color. I've seen some restored cars that have
the underside of the floor pans painted body color, while others are a
semi-gloss black. I haven't got to scrape the goop off the underside of my
'68 Cutlass yet to see. If I do, I'll let you know. But, the other day I
started to clean up the front-end area. The car had been sprayed with
rustproofing stuff since new... oil, grease/graphite, what exactly I don't
know. There was like 1/4" of the stuff on everything. With a bunch of
scraping tooks and some solvent it came off very easily. I can tell you
that the front sway bar and steering linkage looked natural. The frame was
painted a satin black. The surprise for me was when I cleaned the junk off
the front lower control (A) arms. They were unpainted, but had a gold tone
to them, almost like gold cad plating or something, though not exactly the
same (at least on the surface that faced the front of the car - the
bottoms were dark, maybe too much dirt or weathering). I had never seen
that before, but both sides were the same. The front-facing surfaces were
actually a little shiny still after I cleaned off the junk! 

Shiny lower A-arms? Normal? 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 07:34:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Brake Line Clips

Neither my Year One nor Fusick catalogs list these. But Bob's Auto Parts 
has #8P9500 at $1.50 each. It's an old catalog though. 800-992-2006.

Have you tried a GM dealer? Part group #4.686, several types listed.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:28:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: NAOC Nationals

On Thu, 11 Jul 1996 PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 96-07-11 16:13:22 EDT, you write:
> 
> >You're partly right.  '64 was the FIRST year of the 330 (not 303), but it
> >was the
> 
> Uh, sorry, but I think you mis-understood him.  303 was the original rocket
> back in '49.  Bored to 324 for '54, 371 for '57 and to 394 for '61.  Was
> replace by the new 425 in '65.
> 
> 330 was a different engine.



I stand corrected.




Dan Gulino

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From: R4C442@aol.com
Date: Fri, 12 Jul 1996 09:34:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: NAOC Nationals 

Incidently, the first run of 65 442's had the 425.

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