
oldsmobile-digest          Thursday, 4 July 1996       Volume 01 : Number 221


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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 19:45:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Padnos find, SP tork converter

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> Found out, according to the 66 service manual, that the Toros had the 
> switch pitch tork converter, too... 

Whoa!  Excellent news.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Michael Blennerhassett <blenner@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA>
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:58:14 -0300
Subject: 66 Toro cruise control

Does anyone have a cruise control motor unit or complete cruise 
assembly?  Mine has always had a munched motor, so I don't know if 
any of it 
works.  I would love to replace/repair it; I wonder if units from other 
years fit?   

Wouldn't want a Toro out of control, would we....

Helpful suggestions and good/bad jokes appreciated,


1966 Canadian Toro + 1957 Michael

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From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:02:09 -0300
Subject: '65 Olds 98 (was Re: Fusick Trip and INTRO...) 

In a message dated 96-07-03 12:46:05 EDT, you write:

>  I just purchased a '65 Olds 98. My 6 yr old calls it the Great White
Shark!
>  It has a 425 cid. It also has 60K or 160K miles on it. It is in good shape
>  having spent most of it's life in the CA desert. I am not concerned about

Of course, you realize that all us folk up north hate your guts right now,
right?  ;)

>  restoring the car, although I will keep it as "stock" as possible. I want
>  it to handle VERY well, but not so tight that it isn't comfortable on long
>  trips. I want it to stop on a dime. I would like better gas mileage.

and world peace, and a better love-life, and a billion-jillion dollars...

No, I know what you are looking after. Of course you realize that after all
is said, done and spent ($$$), you'll have a car that will be outperformed by
just about any ratty '83 Z-28 with $1000 of mods.

Of course, I'm doing the *exact* same thing to my '78 Electra, so I know what
you're up against. I like the idea of autocrossing in a '64 98!
  
>  So, here is my itinerary:
>  
>  - New headliner. Thinking about using Francisco's Upholstery in Long Beach
>  who was recommended by ACME headliner (refered by Fusicks').
>  - Dual circuit brakes (got the master cylinder, '78 Olds)
>    Eventually front disc brakes (what will bolt on???????)

Well, there wasn't any factory discs for that year, so it will have to be
some kind of retrofit. The trick, of course, is that you'll need the whole
spindle/disc/caliper from a later car (how about that '78 Olds donor car?).
The differences in the spindle will change your front suspension geometry, so
you may have to shorten/lengthen an A-arm or make a custom tube arm, use
different ball-joints, etc. This is done all the time to improve the '68-'72
A-body suspension geometry, and may in fact improve your geometry. Or degrade
it. Read up on suspensions (serious tech book, not a 3-page Hot Rod article)
and figure out what would be the best geometry, and how best to achieve it.
 This will probably be the hardest/most expensive part of your project.

>  - New suspension bushings up front
>    Any suggestions??? I am considering Global West Del-alum over
polyurethane.
> ..
>  - Rear anti-sway bar
>  - HEI distributor. Any suggestions???? What late model Olds can I scavange
>  from???

Any '75-'80 big or small-block HEI distributor should work fine. You'll have
to move the + resistor wire feeding the distributor with one providing a full
12v at all times. There is even a kit for this one.

>  - Needs better exhaust system (Dual).

Good 2 1/2" system with free-flowing mufflers should improve performance, if
you make sure the carb is properly jetted for the improved exhaust
scavenging.

>    Should I keep the exhaust manifold or go to headers???

Keep the cast manifolds until you get into more serious modifications. At
this point, your heads/valve will be the point of most restriction. Your
money is better spent elsewhere (are there even off-the-shelf headers for
this application? custom headers can run into some $$$)

>  - MUCH better carb.
>    Looking at the Edelbrock intake manifold and 750cfm carb. Any other
>  suggestions????

That sounds perfect, especially if you aren't going wild with the heads and
cam.

>  - By October I NEED to "reseal" the car; windows, trunk, etc. Any
>  suggestions besides Fusicks'????
>  
>  Any information about swapping parts (even if I buy them new) would be
>  appreciated.

Yeah, what tranny do you have in there now? You might consider a TH400 or a
built TH350 if you have a slim-jim tranny.

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From: clark@sh28.dseg.ti.com (Pat Clark 952-3776)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:17:10 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Toro cruise control

> From oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca Wed Jul  3 15:07 CDT 1996
> Date: 	Wed, 3 Jul 1996 16:58:14 -0300
> From: Michael Blennerhassett <blenner@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA>
> To: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
> Subject: 66 Toro cruise control
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> 
> Does anyone have a cruise control motor unit or complete cruise 
> assembly?  Mine has always had a munched motor, so I don't know if 
> any of it 
> works.  I would love to replace/repair it; I wonder if units from other 
> years fit?   
> 
> Wouldn't want a Toro out of control, would we....
> 
> Helpful suggestions and good/bad jokes appreciated,
> 
> 
> 1966 Canadian Toro + 1957 Michael
> 
> 
WOW! a 1957 Michael. Is that the one with the big fins?
(hey, you said bad jokes appreciated)

 				Pat Clark
    				 69 442
    			        400/TH400
    			  clark@abu.dseg.ti.com

     The careful application of terror is also a form of communication.

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 18:44:30 -0300
Subject: Re: '65 Olds 98 (was Re: Fusick Trip and INTRO...) 

          
>  I just purchased a '65 Olds 98....
>    Eventually front disc brakes (what will bolt on???????)
          
          I'm an A-body guy, but if your C-body (98, Buick Electra, 
          Caddy whatever) uses the same front suspension as the B-body 
          (88, LeSaber, Bonneville, Impala) there are kits available 
          for disc brake conversion.  There are _some_ advantages to 
          having commonality with Brand C!
          
          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 17:49:09 -0300
Subject: misc stuff

> From: Tom Sagaser <tomsag@emh1.tic.bismarck.nd.us>
> Subject: 1966 442
> I am looking at a 1966 442.  The add says that the engine is an
> original 455.  I don't believe that Olds had a 455 until 1968. Is this
> true??
> Where can I find the original specs that Olds had for these years of
> cars (1964-1970)
> Tom

Heh, is that a "Golden Rocket" engine, too! :)  "Rebuilt", "Runs Good" :)

A Correct 1967 442 engine is a BRONZE colored 400 CID block, code "E" by the oil
pressure sensor, behind the water pump. "C" heads [lower left corner of the
head, near the #1 or #8 spark plug hole]. Carb#, Dist'r #, etc. tell more. Oil
fill cap should be press-on, not twist-to-seal. PS pump if present should have
the big old metal fill cap, about 2" diameter, not the newer 1.25"? plastic
filler cap. RH Cylinder head should have engine ID code stamped into the front
on the machined pad. I'll send you the full info on how to ID, what to look
for.  -Chris-

> Tom, check out http://www.cjnetworks.com/olds/enginecodes.html.  It has lotsa
info like
> the following:
> 1966
> ENGINE    HP    CARB.   TRANS. COMP.    CODE
> 250 L6    155   l-BBL   MT     8.50:1   VA
> --snip--

Yeah, but where's the *425* info in the above list!?!?!?! Aye!

>  Says he'll let me know when he "dig in" to the tranny.  I know nothing about
> shift kits, except that I've heard guys talk about how they have one and
> except for that I'm pretty sure he doesn't want to put one in the tranny as
> What do y'all think?

If you can live w/ harsher shifts for the joy of well, harsher shifts, then, go
for it! -Chris-

> From: mefco@sprynet.com
> Subject: 68 h/o engines
> Olds finally admitted installing the 455 engines for the 68 before they went
> down the street to hurst.
                     ^^^^^  oooops! [Shawn: that's under "Hurst"] :)

Makes sense to me. I don't see the big deal whether the engine go in at
building A or at building B down the street... but maybe that detail was enough
to skate around the "no engines over 400 cid" rule. "Hey, *we* didn't *install*
the 455's, we just set 'em in there... they got fully *installed* [hooked up
the ingition wires, whatever] over at Demmer's!"

> > >Anyone else visit the storefront of these places the rest of us just
> > >Catalog-order from? (i.e. Dick Miller/Mondello/Year One/Oldsmobile USA/Kant

I visit Dick Miller on occasion... his trailer outside his house, that
constitutes his facility... Lotsa stuff on hand. -Chris-

> From: Bob0Barry@aol.com
> After a 3-hour wait at the DMV (*that's* a whole 'nother story...), I drove

Congrats! Boy, you must have SOME pull down at the DMV to skate out in under a
half day! Must be nice.

> * When hot, the starter is reluctant to turn over the motor at first. Should
> I rebuild it myself, or get a rebuilt unit? Are these even available? They
> seem to be starters unique to the Toro.

I *believe* only the nosepiece is different- you can buy any old rebuilt
starter. remove the thru-bolts, swap nose pieces, essentialy changing the
motor/ bendix ass'y to your nosepiece, though that'd leave you with the
presumably worn nosepiece bearing... As a last resort, if they say Toro unit
not available, or costs $500... -Chris-

> * Parking brake pedal is very sticky/creaky. I doused it pretty good with
> WD-40 (yeah, the clock needs work too- later), but it still groans horribly
> when I depress it, and doesn't fully activate the parking brake. Any
> hints/warnings?

Probably old bad cables. I replaced all of them on a car many years ago, made
the whole system work perfectly; I recommend this.

> * At full volume, the factory AM/FM stereo is barely audible; blown speakers,
> perhaps?

Time for a muffler? :)

> * I picked up a set of ignition and door locks from Fusick's for about $30,
> which all use the square key. Any advice on installing these door units? The
> column unit seems simple enough. (yeah, they may be interchangeable with
> other GM lock/key sets, but Fusick's price is not too bad for the full set).

easy, after you get the door panel off... needle nose vice grips work well for
convincing the clip to come off unbroken.

> what color is the plastic terminal shield on the positive side of the
> alternator?
>     1. Red
>     2. Black

Yes. :)

> Of course, the remaining mystery is why the previous owner put on the 7 lb
> radiator cap.

Probably asked the same store clerk whom we have all heard about...

> I suppose that the worse that can happen is that I might have to ask
> advice about replacing a head gasket.  Oh no, let's hope not!
> Paul Bartlett

It's best to take the head off before replacing the gasket.

> > * Parking brake pedal ... groans horribly when I depress it, and
> > doesn't fully activate the parking brake. Any hints/warnings?

Plastic bushing. Replace it/ them. Use Silicone lube, not WD40.

> > > Tampa, Florida
> > Whoa, that's a drive to Ohio :)
> You betcha.  'Course it depend on what you're driving.   ;)
> The 66 Toro and Mike

Heh! Flying "First Class" [over 100 mph] cuts right down on travel time...

> they tell me they can't get parts that old.  So I call him and ask for an uppe
> radiator hose for a 75 VW Super Beatle.  He looks in the books for about 5 min
> says he can't find one.  An I tell him they don't have one 'cause th're air co
oled.
> Then for some reason he hangs up on me.

His cousin is up here rebuilding 69 442 motors in Saginaw, MI.!!! Amazing!

> Wonder if he has a manual transmission for my Toro.
> The 66 Toro and Mike

Only works well with the 7026131 carb! Careful!
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 12:32:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Fusick Trip and INTRO...

Pat Clark 952-3776 wrote:
> 
>   
> 
> That's classic! Betcha this concept would work if you called up and asked for
> a rear differential seal for a Toro.
> 
>                                 Pat Clark
>                                 

Pat:

Those things never wear out, do they?  Mine has never had any trouble.  
Do you think that I should inspect it before the 4th?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:06:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Fusick Trip and INTRO...

Lloyd Culp wrote:
> 
> > ... asked for a rear differential seal for a Toro.
> 
> Those things never wear out, do they?  Mine has never had any trouble.
> Do you think that I should inspect it before the 4th?

I would.  Can't be to careful with Toro rears.  You wouldn't want you 
rear falling out in the middle of the picnic, would you?    ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:20:08 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Toro cruise control

Pat Clark 952-3776 wrote:
>
> > 1966 Canadian Toro + 1957 Michael
> >
> > WOW! a 1957 Michael. Is that the one with the big fins?

Right.  The 58 was the one with no fins; the 59 had the big rear bumpers.
Us 49s have the LARGE hood ornaments.    ;)

The careful application of humor is also a form of terror.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:44:56 -0300
Subject: Re: '69 Toro on the Road!!! And a few Q's 

In a message dated 96-07-03 00:20:14 EDT, you write:

>* Finally, the word that strikes fear into any troubleshooter's heart:
>_COMFORTRON_! Mine does not function at all, on any setting. This may
>indicate one crippling problem, or a multitude/combination of little ones.
>Any obvious culprits, once I check the fuses for it? I'd really like some
>ventilation/air conditioning this summer.
>
>

Uh-oh!  There's that "C" word :(...  Seriously, don't panic - yet.  I have a
Comfortron Information Manual from '66.  Helped me fix the problem with my
'67 (turned out to be the heater control valve - Whew!), you '69 shouldn't be
that different.  E-mail me if you're interested, I'll need a little $ to
cover costs.

Paul
'67 98 w/Comfortron (and it better still work for Nationals!)

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From: jrjet@whidbey.net (Dot & Tim McChesney)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:19:14 -0300
Subject: Re: J.C. whitney 

>> Heh-heh. I have the ability to visit J.C. Whitney in person. The rest
>>> of you can just turn green with envy. So there.  ;-)

>Andrew C. Green

Heh Ive been there its a big old ware house not nice neighborhood either.



tim mcchesney
71 cutlass convertable

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From: jrjet@whidbey.net (Dot & Tim McChesney)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:19:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Fusick Trip and INTRO... 

>DAN writes -
>- New headliner. Thinking about using Francisco's Upholstery in Long Beach
>who was recommended by ACME headliner (refered by Fusicks').
>- Dual circuit brakes (got the master cylinder, '78 Olds)
>  Eventually front disc brakes (what will bolt on???????)
>- New suspension bushings up front
>  Any suggestions??? I am considering Global West Del-alum over polyurethane...
>- Rear anti-sway bar
>- HEI distributor. Any suggestions???? What late model Olds can I scavange
>from???
>- Needs better exhaust system (Dual).
>  Should I keep the exhaust manifold or go to headers???
>- MUCH better carb.
>  Looking at the Edelbrock intake manifold and 750cfm carb. Any other
>suggestions????
>- By October I NEED to "reseal" the car; windows, trunk, etc. Any
>suggestions besides Fusicks'????
>
>Any information about swapping parts (even if I buy them new) would be
>appreciated.
>
>Dan,
 I lived in ElToro for three years fun place I miss it.  But I bought a top
from ACME. I had to have 2 inches of material cut from the sides to make it
fit the car. They said it was the right top hpoe the quality has in proved.
I have the global west suspe=nsion kit on my 71 convertable cutass made a
world of differance if you install poly bushings put molly grease on them
and when installing and they wont sqeak as bad.

Tim McChesney
71 cutlass convertable

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From: "Dink" <dink@infinet.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 23:49:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Hey

> Where's the Brunswick Big Boy
Exit 226, I-71.  Proceed west for about a mile.  You will see a 
K-Mart, and right next to it a Big Boy's.

> and how the heck do they fit all those cars in a Big Boy parking lot?
It's right next to a shopping center, and the lot is empty on a 
saturday night.

>  Might stop in on Saturday if I'm around...
Where do you live?

> Wednesday night there is a small cruise in at Jimbo's,
When does it start?  I'll have to make a trip there one day.

>  Now all I gotta do is find a good-looking blonde that will go out with me on Saturday...
Ditto here.


Dink
____________________________________________
Dink     Brunswick, Ohio
80 Olds Delta 88 Royale MSD, K&N, Dynomax, Etc
95 Formula 6M, 1SC, T's, Hurst, !Cags
Dink@infinet.com
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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Fri, 8 Sep 1995 12:26:32 -0300
Subject: Re: '65 Olds 98 (was Re: Fusick Trip and INTRO...) 

>In a message dated 96-07-03 12:46:05 EDT, you write:
>
>>  I just purchased a '65 Olds 98. My 6 yr old calls it the Great White
>Shark!
>>  It has a 425 cid. It also has 60K or 160K miles on it. It is in good shape
>>  having spent most of it's life in the CA desert. I am not concerned about
>
>Of course, you realize that all us folk up north hate your guts right now,
>right?  ;)
>
>>  restoring the car, although I will keep it as "stock" as possible. I want
>>  it to handle VERY well, but not so tight that it isn't comfortable on long
>>  trips. I want it to stop on a dime. I would like better gas mileage.
>
>and world peace, and a better love-life, and a billion-jillion dollars...
>
>No, I know what you are looking after. Of course you realize that after all
>is said, done and spent ($$$), you'll have a car that will be outperformed by
>just about any ratty '83 Z-28 with $1000 of mods.
>
>Of course, I'm doing the *exact* same thing to my '78 Electra, so I know what
>you're up against. I like the idea of autocrossing in a '64 98!

     Just thought I'd make a remark here.  You've heard it before, it goes
without saying, but it's worth repeating.  Z-28's are like belly
buttons...everybody has one.
        
        In fact, when I see an `83 camaro I expect it to be modified.  As
often as not,  they have had a broomstick through the cat converter and
muffler, traction bars, and rear tires that don't fit in the fender wells.
The latter is typically mated to a tired 200HP engine & drivetrain that has
been thrashed by 16-year olds for the last 5 years of its life.  Don't
forget the tinted windows, no fear decal, thumping stereo, and cigarettes.
The faster versions of theese cars have a half dozen window stickers
including summit racing, competition cams, and holley.  5.0L mustang owners
have an affinity for these practices too.Everyone knows what I'm talking
about.  You see a million cars like this, don't you?   I mean really, It's
been done.  
 
Greg Pruett



- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------------------------------------------------
The Hybrid Electric Vehicle Team of Virginia Tech
http://www.vt.edu:10021/org/hybridcar/index.html

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From: Ken <rottin@en.com>
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 22:18:50 -0300
Subject: Re: '65 Olds 98 (was Re: Fusick Trip and INTRO...)

Bob0Barry@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 96-07-03 12:46:05 EDT, you write:
> 
> >  I just purchased a '65 Olds 98. My 6 yr old calls it the Great White
> Shark!
> >  It has a 425 cid. It also has 60K or 160K miles on it. It is in good shape
> >  having spent most of it's life in the CA desert. I am not concerned about
> 
> Of course, you realize that all us folk up north hate your guts right now,
> right?  ;)

  Bahh.. I got my '67 442 in Buffalo, NY.  Clean as a whistle and priced rite at 
4k... There are some fine cars up here, ya just gotta be patient. :) (course I've 
been looking for just the rite olds for about 10 years now!)


Ken 
Cleveland, Ohio
1967 442 Con.

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 00:28:26 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 442 trivia 

At 15:29 7.3.96 -0300, you wrote:
>JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com wrote:
>> 
>>           Black...no, red.
>>           What is the airspeed of a swallow?
>
>What do you mean?  An African or European swallow?
>
>The 66 Toro and Mike
>
but the african in non-migratory, so we would not be able to see it first hand

>
>--
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO
>Edison3, Incorporated
>Tampa, Florida
>(813) 210-8649
>
>
>

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From: Buddha <buddha@itw.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 00:28:26 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 442 trivia 

At 15:29 7.3.96 -0300, you wrote:
>JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com wrote:
>> 
>>           Black...no, red.
>>           What is the airspeed of a swallow?
>
>What do you mean?  An African or European swallow?
>
>The 66 Toro and Mike
>
but the african in non-migratory, so we would not be able to see it first hand

>
>--
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO
>Edison3, Incorporated
>Tampa, Florida
>(813) 210-8649
>
>
>

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From: glenn connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 1996 20:33:22 -0300
Subject: rear gears?

    Currently I have  2.72 rear gears ( obviously been changed ) in my '69
4-4-2.   I want to put a lower gear in but I'm not sure which.  Not racing
it.  Just for street use.  I'm not sure what came with this car, but I don't
think it was 2.72s.  ...Anyone have a decent set around?

Glenn
'69 4-4-2
  

    4      4      22222
   44     44          2
  4 4    4 4        22
 44444  44444     22
    4     4      22222

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From: "Jeff Hunter" <jchunter@xcelco.on.ca>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 02:03:04 -0300
Subject: olds for sale

Hi!..... here are some olds for sale i picked off various newsgroups

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>From           krispy@bga.com (Kris Schludermann)
Organization   Real/Time Communications - Bob Gustwick and Associates
Date           26 Jun 1996 11:21:13 -0500
Newsgroups     rec.autos.marketplace,austin.forsale
Message-ID     <4qro1p$ho0@ghostwheel.bga.com>



1966 oldsmobile toronado, 2nd owner, 107k actual milage. does not
overheat,
burn oil or leave you stranded. new radial tires, excellent orginal
interior
good orginal paint, new brakes, starter,  water pump, fuel pump & exhaust.
car was orginally sold in austin and has spent it's life in the dry hill
country (~20" a year). was stored many years indoors. no rust anywhere. 
bumpers in excellent shape. duberry exterior/plum interior. cold manual
A/C (not troublesome climate control system). 425 V8 W/dual exhaust.
this was the first year for front wheel drive.

a nice orginal example of a rare milestone car.

$4,850

call
512-837-5791 (day)
512-331-4242 (eve)

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>From           jdeifik@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov (Jeff Deifik)
Organization   Jet Propulsion Laboratory - Pasadena CA
Date           12 Jun 1996 18:26:39 GMT
Newsgroups     rec.autos.marketplace
Message-ID     <slrn4ru2uv.2g0.jdeifik@thyme.jpl.nasa.gov>



1986 Olds 442. Rebuild everything.
455 Olds engine with 400+ hp at the wheel (limit of dyno).
Oil cooler, olberg filter, etc.
5 speed Doug Nash 4+1 trans, McLeod Street Twin clutch,
Ford 9" rear end with Nodular housing and Torsen diff.
4 wheel disk brakes, 16*9 rims, Goodyear 255/50/16 VR Eagles.
Herb Adams VSE anti-roll bars, heavy springs, shocks.
High power stereo, battery in trunk.
Repainted, minor scratches, minor dings.
Goes 140mph+.

Make me an offer.

        Jeff Deifik     turbo@weasel.com

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1967 Olds Cutlass For Sale in Utah



>From           jberenyi@cc.weber.edu (John)
Organization   The Flying Elvises... Utah chapter!
Date           30 May 1996 09:24 MST
Newsgroups     rec.autos.antique
Message-ID     <30MAY199609244971@cc.weber.edu>



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Have original window sticker, keys, manual, all receipts since new, etc.  

Original motor and tranny rebuilt.  New interior, etc., etc.

$3000 firm Champagne with Cameo Ivory
interior. It is a Two-Door Hardtop.


John Berenyi  (jberenyi@cc.weber.edu)
801-479-1609 
2648 Deer Run Dr.
Ogden, Utah 84405

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>From           js048@randr.com (gens 19-John Sanner     )
Organization   Reynolds and Reynolds
Date           Fri, 28 Jun 1996 12:01:57 GMT
Newsgroups    
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Red with black power top. All power. 425ci. 4-barrel carb. 
All numbers match. 59,000 original miles. Very Good condition.  
One of only 4903 built.
Located in Dayton, Ohio.

Make offer.   May consider trade.


e-mail: js048@randr.com    - or
                john_sanner@reyrey.com 
                ag588@dayton.wright.edu
Day phone: 513-443-2272

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From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 02:20:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[4]: Idle Compensator 

On Wed, 3 Jul 1996 JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com wrote:

>     Pretty hot, I think.   My '71 had one on it, and I can't remember 
> ever seeing the idle go up at all - even with the temp guage sitting at 
> 230 while stuck in traffic.  
> 
>           Uhh...maybe I'm just nit picking here, but I thought the 
>           purpose of the compensator was not to increase idle speed, 
>           but to improve idle _quality_ under hot, lean conditions.  
>           Theoretically, you should not notice an increase in speed, 
>           as it only admits more air, not additional fuel.

     Nah, not nitpicking... closer to electronic bench racing.

     You do bring up something interesting tho: if the idle is already lean (
hot idle), then wouldn't adding more air just make it even leaner, resulting 
in a futher degradation of idle speed?

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--  
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

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From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 02:29:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Padnos find, SP tork converter

On Wed, 3 Jul 1996, Chris Brown Witt wrote:

> Found a nice TH400 short shaft at Padnos, complete with tube-cooled oil pan.
> It's a 1976 Ch*vy "CP" unit, with bolt-on driveshaft yoke, what's up with that?
> for trucks with slidey joint in the center of driveshaft?

    Probably from a Corvette or 60-series GMC truck.  Both used those at
one time or another.   I saw a few in my junkyard working days....
 
- --> Bob

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:26:34 -0300
Subject: Re: '72 Cutlass Supreme owner...

>If anyone else has a '72 Cutlass Supreme, I'd love to hear about it...

Welcome, glad you found us!

If you like the "Olds E-Mail News", you are sure to like The Bryceman's 
Web page at www.442.com. A cool place with my car in the Olds Registry, a 
1972 Cutlass S... with Supreme grilles but she's not original anyway...

Happy Oldsmobiling,
Mike Hall



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Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
         Brought to you by a Apple Power Macintosh 7100/80
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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 09:26:15 -0300
Subject: Sticking my Head in the Door 

Hey gang,

Thought I'd drop in and say hello to all of you - sortof miss not being on
the List.  There's a group of about 7 or so of us fellow Toro-owners that
have a "mini-list" that stay in touch, so I'm still staying current in
Olds-speak...it's just more toward these FWD monsters!

I've contacted Bryceman about adding the car to the Owner's Registry, so
look for the beast in the coming weeks!

Take care - 


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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From: Michael Blennerhassett <blenner@fhs.csu.McMaster.CA>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:22:38 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Toro cruise control

Yeah, yeah, thanks guys.  I shold have known that you would be so 
distracted that no one would remember that I {whimper} really really 
want/need a cruise control. and a driver's door mirror too.  

Out of control and not looking back...

Michael (fully optioned but not loaded (I wish))

******


> > > 1966 Canadian Toro + 1957 Michael
> > >
> > > WOW! a 1957 Michael. Is that the one with the big fins?
> 
> Right.  The 58 was the one with no fins; the 59 had the big rear bumpers.
> Us 49s have the LARGE hood ornaments.    ;)
> 
> 

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From: Ken <rottin@en.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 10:16:38 -0300
Subject: Rear speaker.. 

Was there a rear speaker in a 1967 442 convert.? If so where? I cant find the durn 
thing anywhere! 


Ken
Cleveland, Ohio
1967 442 Convertible

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From: Jan Malone <chickey1@fidnet.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 13:35:49 -0300
Subject: 47 olds 2 dr fastback 66 series

Hi we are new to the list we are currently in the process of restoring 
our 47 any information would be helpful Nos parts are general information 
would be appreciated. Jan and Larry Malone.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 11:51:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Rear speaker..  

At 10:16 AM 4/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Was there a rear speaker in a 1967 442 convert.? If so where? I cant find
the durn 
>thing anywhere! 
>
>
>Ken
>
Ken:

My 1968 442 convertible has 2 openings at the rear seat in the top well with
speakers.  Stock was 1.  Look in the well at the metal back seat header and
see is you don't have 2 9x6 openings in yours too.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama
>
>
>

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 14:36:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Rear speaker..  

In a message dated 96-07-04 10:27:44 EDT, you write:

<< Was there a rear speaker in a 1967 442 convert.? If so where? I cant find
the durn 
 thing anywhere! 
  >>

Nope, there wasn't as far as I know.  The best system you could get was a
monaural AM/FM radio.  Only speaker is the one in the middle of the dash, a
2"x8-9" (?) single speaker.

Don't know about the '67 (don't have a convertible anymore) but the sheet
metal supports behind the seat in our '70 SX Convertible are punched for
6"x9" speakers.  (I see Bill Cupl has said his '68 has them too.)  I've
installed some along with a good radio and it sounds great - as long as the
top is up.  When down, the top really soaks up the sound and we only get the
tiny front speakers under the dash below the windshield (replaced the single
stock one with two very small "tweeter" stereo speakers that came with the
radio).

There are other options.  Some folks use speaker boxes, for instance ones
covered with carpet the same color as the car's, in the back seat footwells.
They use connectors and can be put in the trunk when you have passengers.
 Otherwise they sound great and look OK to boot.

Another more difficult option is to install some 6x9s in the doors behind the
lower portion of the interior panel which usually has a strip of carpet.
 Then _very carefully_
cut out the cardboard backing and _not_ the carpet.  The speakers will sound
fine through the carpet.  This is a lot easier if done when you are replacing
the carpet and or panels.  With the speakers in there in that fashion the car
even looks "correct".

Bob Handren  OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified
'70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:23:10 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Toro cruise control

Michael Blennerhassett wrote:
> 
> Yeah, yeah, thanks guys.  I shold have known that you would be so
> distracted that no one would remember that I {whimper} really really
> want/need a cruise control. and a driver's door mirror too.

Didn't miss it, just don't have squat on it.  Sparky may know something 
when he gets back from vacation or Andy Green may have some tech data.

The 66 Toro and Mike

 
- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:21:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Rear speaker.. 

BobH592058@aol.com wrote:
> 
> ... two very small "tweeter" stereo speakere...

You reminded me of something I think I might have mentioned before, Bob.
Low frequencies are very non-directional.  That is, you can't really tell 
where they're coming from.  That is, that is, you can stuff lower 
frequence speakers just about anywhere they'll fit: door panels, under 
dash, even under the seats.  

The high frequencies are VERY directional so mid/tweeters effect the 
stereo image a great deal.  The good news is that they can be very small 
and don't present the mounting problem that mid/woofers do.

Radio Shack, among other, sells a TWO INCH midrange (40-1281) for 27 
bucks and a 2" piezo tweeter (40-1383) for 5.  These guys are so small 
you could stick them just about anyplace.  And an added benefit of piezo 
speakers (NOT dynamic) is no crossover is needed and they have a very 
high impedence (100 ohms or more) so you can use a number of them without 
loading the amp.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: batkison@interserv.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 1996 18:29:20 -0300
Subject: Re: '72 Cutlass Supreme owner...

I have a 72 Supreme that I have owned for the last 17 years and this might be the 
year I sell it-too many toys including the most recent aquisition of a 70' 442 rag!
Unfortunately the wife wants her parking space back in the garage.
Brad Atkinson-Toronto-Ontario-Canada

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