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oldsmobile-digest         Wednesday, 31 July 1996      Volume 01 : Number 252


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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:37:44 -0300
Subject: Alarms  Was: Olds Stolen

Joanne Beausoleil wrote:
> 
> Whats everyone's opinion on car alarms? 

The following opinions are based on the following:

* In my former life in Pennsylvania, I owned an alarm company.
* In my dad's former life, he was a police captain in Philly.

1) No doubt about it, car alarms work.  The last thing a thief wants is 
noise so just about any type of alarm is a help.  You can go for the 
"talking" alarms, such as Viper, if you like but there is no cost 
benefit.  Even the type that blows the horn will work just as well.

Those Silent/Pager type alarms seem pretty cool BUT:

  Do you really want to be paged so you can go meet a couple of thugs?
  Do you think you can get to your car before they make off with it?

CHEAP:  The cheapest and best deterent is an ignition cut off.  If they 
get in (which kids often do by breaking a window) and the car won't 
start, they'll move on.  You might be left with a broken window but a 
least you're left with your car.

Simply install a switch on the coil LOW voltage lead.  Switch open -- no 
spark.  Car will turn over but will never start.  And DON'T mount the 
switch right under the driver's side dash.  That would be the first place 
they'd look.  (Duh!)  Hide it someplace not so obvious: behind an ashtray 
or under a seat.

EVEN CHEAPER:  Get one of those flashing LEDs from Radio Shack, wire it 
to the battery, and mount it in the dash were it can be seen.  Not an 
alarm but it looks more like one than those dopey stickers.

> Has anyone installed/had one installed in their older olds?

Sure.  Not a problem at all.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:52:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Brake lights & stuff

Dan Williams wrote:
> 
> My brake lights ...

1) Verify that all bulbs are good.  Also verify that thay are the right 
type!  I had a similar problem in car.  Turned out the previous dork had 
put single filament bulbs in dual filament sockets -- which shorted the 
circuits together and created all kinks of goofy stuff.  Everything 
LOOKED good but it sure didn't work good.

2) As Dave Paulison has mentioned: Check the sockets!  If you can, 
disconnect the socket and run a jumper to the battery to test it.

> Also, when I turn on the head lights, all 4 light bulbs (2 per side - duh!), 
come on.

Oh-oh.  Sounds like somebody did some creative rewiring the the past.  
Verify that wires haven't been bugged together in the trunk somewhere.  
If they are, be suspicious.

> You would think the brake lights would work also.  What should I check?

Brake switch, of course, but they don't fail much.  Jumper around it to 
see if it's working.

Turn signal cam/switch.  Many cars switch the brake voltage to the 
flasher voltage through the contacts in the column.  If you have a bad or 
broken contact, it could cause this.  

Q:

Do the turn signals work correctly?
Does the parking lamps work correctly?

And, as always, grounds, grounds, grounds.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:57:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Resto  Tips  .....

JJF97@uno.cc.geneseo.edu wrote:
> 
> should i continue? I have more, but it is always nice to have 
> encouragement if a good thing will last.

Sure.  I'll think it can become the basis for a useful FAQ one of these 
days.  ..or was that NOS?   ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 07:21:18 -0300
Subject: RE: Vanity Plates (Was Re: '84 H/O's, steering gears, etc.) 

Here's mine -- '68 442 convertable "hiwaystr" or highway star! Deep Purple 
(music group, duh) rules!
>Date:		Mon, 29 Jul 1996 10:24:59 -0300
>From:	"Jerry Childers" <FlashJRC@msn.com>
>Sender:	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>To:	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject:	RE: Vanity Plates (Was Re: '84 H/O's, steering gears, etc.)
>
>There is a great vanity plate on a Vette here in B'ham: IXLR8 or "I 
>accelerate".
>
>----------
>From: 	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Andrew C. Green
>Sent: 	Friday, July 19, 1996 1:45 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject: 	Vanity Plates (Was Re: '84 H/O's, steering gears, etc.)
>
>>On vanity plates, saw a Vette last night that said, "MYIN".  As in,
>>"Mine, mine, all mine, mwahaha!", I guess.
>
>Nominations for _good_ vanity plates? I can think of two (we have a
>seven-letter maximum in Illinois) I've seen in the past:
>
>A dark-blue metallic '69 442:  DRK STAR
>
>A nice Champagne Bronze SSEi:  MY WINGS
>
>
>Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
>Datalogics, Inc.
>441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473
>
>
>
>

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:13:22 -0300
Subject: Re: My next driveway cover??? 

>I saw a '69 w/an origianl yellow paint job, but it was sort of a 
>weak lighter yellow.

This is almost certainly what Pontiac referred to that year as Mayfair
Maize. I would tend to think that shade was also used in '68, but would
not necessarily be the only yellow available.

>Is the yellow '68 442 convertable on the top of Lisa 
>Madsen's home page close to Saffron - sort of a medium darker, richer
>yellow? 

Dunno. Will have to take a look. This home page is an offshoot of
Bryce's www.442.com, yes?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 07:22:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Alarms  Was: Olds Stolen 

How about just pulling your coil wire?  Even cheaper!
>Date:		Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:37:44 -0300
>From:	Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
>Sender:	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>To:	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject:	Alarms  Was: Olds Stolen
>
>Joanne Beausoleil wrote:
>> 
>> Whats everyone's opinion on car alarms? 
>
>The following opinions are based on the following:
>
>* In my former life in Pennsylvania, I owned an alarm company.
>* In my dad's former life, he was a police captain in Philly.
>
>1) No doubt about it, car alarms work.  The last thing a thief wants is 
>noise so just about any type of alarm is a help.  You can go for the 
>"talking" alarms, such as Viper, if you like but there is no cost 
>benefit.  Even the type that blows the horn will work just as well.
>
>Those Silent/Pager type alarms seem pretty cool BUT:
>
>  Do you really want to be paged so you can go meet a couple of thugs?
>  Do you think you can get to your car before they make off with it?
>
>CHEAP:  The cheapest and best deterent is an ignition cut off.  If they 
>get in (which kids often do by breaking a window) and the car won't 
>start, they'll move on.  You might be left with a broken window but a 
>least you're left with your car.
>
>Simply install a switch on the coil LOW voltage lead.  Switch open -- no 
>spark.  Car will turn over but will never start.  And DON'T mount the 
>switch right under the driver's side dash.  That would be the first place 
>they'd look.  (Duh!)  Hide it someplace not so obvious: behind an ashtray 
>or under a seat.
>
>EVEN CHEAPER:  Get one of those flashing LEDs from Radio Shack, wire it 
>to the battery, and mount it in the dash were it can be seen.  Not an 
>alarm but it looks more like one than those dopey stickers.
>
>> Has anyone installed/had one installed in their older olds?
>
>Sure.  Not a problem at all.
>
>The 66 Toro and Mike
>
>
>-- 
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
>
>

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:22:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Key/Lights Buzzer 

>Can anyone tell me where the relay is located on an 86 Cutlass Supreme
>Coupe that handles the buzzer for lights on/key in ignition when the car is
>off? The toggle in the door jam still turns the courtesy light on and off, but
>the buzzer is dead.

I don't believe there is a relay for that; it's wired straight through.
Two things you could check:

1) Carefully unscrew the pin switch in the door (don't worry about
sparks; this is a switched-ground circuit so you can't "short" anything)
and see if the second wire is still attached. One wire is your interior
light circuit, the other is your reminder-buzzer circuit.

2) (Actually I should have made this #1 :-) Check that some numb-nuts
hasn't simply unplugged the buzzer. They usually don't break (at least,
not in my experience) so unless it has unexpectedly died on you, it
might simply not be there. It usually plugs into a dangling socket in
the wiring harness behind the dash, in the vicinity of the fusebox. In
some models it actually plugs into the fusebox. Someone with a wiring
diagram for the '86 Cutlass can probably tell you better than I.

Another possibility is a little more depressing, if you have the courtesy
chime option on your car (which also handles the lights-on reminder, seat
belt chime/light timer and similar stuff): the module may have simply
blown its mind. If your seat belt warning light stays on, this is most
likely what happened. This is a fat orange plastic box with a lot of
wires going in seven different directions behind the dash, and cost about
$35 last time I asked about it. I decided to live without it, not so much
because of the price but because unplugging all that wiring (most of which
didn't _have_ any obvious plugs to disconnect) looked like it was going to
be a royal pain.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 06:29:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Resto  Tips  .....

JJF97@uno.cc.geneseo.edu wrote:
> 
> Painting fasteners can be a real pain.  But, if you take a piece of scrap 
wood
> and drill rows of holes (of varying sizes),  you can stick bolts in the holes
> and shoot on the paint.  When the paint dries, simply remove the bolts.
> Nuts can be painted by screwing them onto bolts that have been run through a
> piece of wood.
> 
> --Resto Corner
> 
> --joe ferrero
> 
> hey, if you have a tip, post it on here under resto tips....
> 
> this is not a company that puts this out, just your average 22 year old guy.
> these things i came across in my restorations, and i'm sure some of you have
> some things that made your restoration easier.  Please post them.
> 
> Let me know this, do you enjoy this?  should i continue? I have more, but
> it is always nice to have encouragement if a good thing will last.
> 
> thanks again...
> --joe

Joe:

This is great.  I watch for every post.

The bolt painting can be done another way too.  This also works very 
well using a cardboard soda box (low sides guard overspray), slicing "x" 
in cardboard, & placing bolts/screws into "x's" to be painted.  Running 
bolts through other side will allow nuts to be cleared/painted also.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:29:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Key/Lights Buzzer 

>  I'm having a problem with my '86 Cutlass (a lot of 86 Cutlass' today) where 
>the rear defroster isn't working.  It worked on + off for a while , but 
>doesen't respond at all anymore.

I'd check the timer/relay, which I think is in the vicinity of the fusebox,
especially if you have voltage at the switch connector but do not hear any
*click* when you try to switch the defogger on.

>No, it's not the fuse, and yes it could be the switch.

I don't _think_ your car has the timer/relay in the switch; I'm pretty
sure from my foggy memory that it's a remote design. Follow the wires and
see where they lead to.

>Any other ideas though?  Also, my cruise doesn't work at all 
>anymore.  It would work for a while (at the end of when it stopped working) 
>when I turned on the windshield wipers, so it may be a wiring problem in the 
>turn signal shaft.

If you're saying you have to turn the wipers on to get the cruise to work,
I agree that the problem might be in the shaft, at the base of the turn 
signal lever. You'll need a lock plate compressor to get access to the
switch assembly under the steering wheel. I'll be writing more about this
in a few days; I've got a similar repair coming up this weekend.

>One other thing, when I start it up, and it's idleing high, and I put 
>it in reverse (and the torque converter kicks in), it makes sort 
>of a loud cracking noise.  Possibly a universal joint that's loose?

I'd say so.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 06:34:24 -0300
Subject: Re: My next driveway cover???

Craig Dobbins wrote:
> 
> Hi,
>   What shade of yellow is Saffron?  I was thinking of doing my 442
> convertable in the original yellow for '68 (with the black side stripe of
> course).  I saw a '69 w/an origianl yellow paint job, but it was sort of a
> weak lighter yellow.  Is the yellow '68 442 convertable on the top of Lisa
> Madsen's home page close to Saffron - sort of a medium darker, richer yellow?
>  Someone out there can help me, I hope!
>                                                    Craig
>                                                     1968 442 convert.
> >
> >
> >Craig:

Saffron is a pale lemon color not much like the '68 color.  The color on 
Lisa's webpage is much darker, but the '68 color is rather true to the 
page you speak of.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 06:46:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Stolen

Mike Frederick wrote:
> 
> dink@infinet.com wrote:
> >
> > Well today sucked.  Some asshole stole my baby, my Oldsmobeast.
> 
> Dink,
> 
> Geez, man, I don't know what to say.  You right, this really sucks.
> 
> > It was stolen from work in the middle of the day, in a sorta nice part
> > of town.
> 
> No point in going to the bad side of town to steal junkers.
> 
> > I guess they stole it for a different reason.
> 
> Living in Tampa, one if the car-theft capitals of the country, the vast
> majority we see are kids joy-riding.  When they run them out of gas, they
> leave them in a parking lot and steal the one next to it.  Let's hope
> that's all that happened to yours.
> 
> > Sorry for venting but I had to.
> 
> Under the circumstances, you're being far more reserved that I would be.
> 
> Keep on the cops.  I've never had much luck with them unless you bug the
> hell out of them (or distribute doughnuts).  We're pullin' for ya.
> 
> WE LOVE YA MAN!
> 
> The 66 Toro and Mike
> 
> --
> Dink:  

I would be a little bisserk about now if it happened to me.  Head Mike's 
advice & stick w/those cops.  Hopefully it was a joy rider & you recover 
soon w/only an empty gas tank.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 06:52:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Alarms  Was: Olds Stolen

Mike Frederick wrote:
> 
> Joanne Beausoleil wrote:
> >
> > Whats everyone's opinion on car alarms?
> 
> The following opinions are based on the following:
> 
> * In my former life in Pennsylvania, I owned an alarm company.
> * In my dad's former life, he was a police captain in Philly.
> 
> 1) No doubt about it, car alarms work.  The last thing a thief wants is
> noise so just about any type of alarm is a help.  
> 
> > Has anyone installed/had one installed in their older olds?
> 
> Sure.  Not a problem at all.
> 
> The 66 Toro and Mike
> 
>
> Mike:

Nice advice.  Did that come from you or the Toro?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:55:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Brake lights & stuff 

>My brake lights have never worked on my 68.  Well, one replace fuse and 
>fixed loose wire and I now have brake lights on the drivers side.  
>However, they do not work on the passenger side.  I swaped one of the 
>bulbs over at it worked fine in the drivers side.  Maybe I should have 
>swaped both lights over?  Also, when I turn on the head lights, all 4 
>light bulbs (2 per side - duh!), come on.  You would think the brake 
>lights would work also.  What should I check?

I'll bet you dollars to doughnuts the answer is: the turn signal switch.
A friend's '64 GTO had the same problem and I think we're talking about
the same part on your car. I'll skip possibilities like bad sockets, etc.,
because others have already suggested this for you to check, and you did
mention that the taillight circuit seems to be fine.

The brake light circuits run through your turn signal switch, separate
right and left side wiring, so that the turn signal switch can cut the
brake light power to the bulbs on the side that it wants to blink. If
you want to see this effect a little more clearly, stand behind your
car with the car switched off, have an assistant step on the brake, then
move the turn signal lever to either side. With the car off, your signals
won't blink, but you'll see the brake lights go off on one side or the
other as your assistant moves the lever to either side.

It doesn't really matter if your turn signals work on both sides at the
back, although I'd be curious to hear if they do. The problem is that
the brake light circuit on that side isn't getting restored when the 
lever moves back to mid-position. Assuming you don't have a locking
steering column, you can open up the column pretty easily (after pulling
the steering wheel) for a closer look. I think the contact wires are
visible on this design so you can see if they're making contact. The
problem on my friend's GTO was that the contacts had melted down into
the surrounding plastic on one side. Had to swap in another switch.

Try checking the wiring at the base of the steering column. There is a
large connector on the right (passenger's side) of the column under the
dash, and you should find that two wires coming out match the colors of
your rear brake wiring, which I think will be Green on one side and
Yellow on the other. Then find which wire(s) in the connector go hot
when you step on the brake: some wire(s) heading _up_ the column to the 
switch will do this. Jumper that/them to the outbound wire going to the
brake lights on the dead side, step on the brake pedal and see if they 
come on. I think they will. If they do, this tells you that the problem
is in the switch; you'll need another turn signal switch, and some 
disassembly to thread it into the steering column.

>Everybody had some good suggestions on the paint thing, but nobody has 
>been able to supply the temp and time.  Somebody must know this one.

Uh, 74 degrees, 10:04 a.m. Hey, you're welcome.  :-)

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 08:07:13 -0300
Subject: Re: My next driveway cover??? 

Does any one, including Lisa herself, have any idea what the actual name of 
the color is on the 1968 442 convertable which is displayed on the top of 
Lisa Madsen's home page?  I have the same car and want to do the same paint 
job, but only if it's that deeper, richer yellow (I want to stick to original 
68 442 colors) , and a color code would also be helpful too if ther are any 
68 owners out there with paint charts with codes.  The one thing I don't want 
is a weak, lighter yellow, and if that's it, it's time to pick another color. 
 Tough to tell over the net, sometimes colors won't tranfer in the same shade 
(as far as cars go) as they are when you really see them.  Help Please!

                                                          Thanks!
                                                            Craig
>Date:		Tue, 30 Jul 1996 06:34:24 -0300
>From:	Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
>Sender:	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>To:	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject:	Re: My next driveway cover???
>
>Craig Dobbins wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>>   What shade of yellow is Saffron?  I was thinking of doing my 442
>> convertable in the original yellow for '68 (with the black side stripe of
>> course).  I saw a '69 w/an origianl yellow paint job, but it was sort of 
>a
>> weak lighter yellow.  Is the yellow '68 442 convertable on the top of Lis
>a
>> Madsen's home page close to Saffron - sort of a medium darker, richer
> yellow?
>>  Someone out there can help me, I hope!
>>                                                    Craig
>>                                                     1968 442 convert.
>> >
>> >
>> >Craig:
>
>Saffron is a pale lemon color not much like the '68 color.  The color on 
>Lisa's webpage is much darker, but the '68 color is rather true to the 
>page you speak of.
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:00:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Alarms  Was: Olds Stolen 

>Mike Frederick wrote:
>> Mike:
>
>Nice advice.  Did that come from you or the Toro?
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama

That would be the Toro. Mike is similar, but slightly taller.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:08:20 -0300
Subject: Re: My next driveway cover??? 

>Does any one, including Lisa herself, have any idea what the actual name of 
>the color is on the 1968 442 convertable which is displayed on the top of 
>Lisa Madsen's home page?

D'ooohh! Where _is_ Lisa's home page? Her listings in Bryceman's site
don't show a '68 at all...

>I have the same car and want to do the same paint 
>job, but only if it's that deeper, richer yellow (I want to stick to original 
>68 442 colors) , and a color code would also be helpful too if ther are any 
>68 owners out there with paint charts with codes.

Dan Williams (dr_olds@kfmw.net) said this morning that he's got the
Cars & Parts book with color illustrations, so maybe he can help. Dan?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: conrad <conrad@oklahoma.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:21:45 -0300
Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE INFO

Sorry waste your bandwidth here but I've lost my listserve info.

Can someone please give me the listserve address along with the
unsubscribe command.

Thanks, Conrad

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:16:50 -0300
Subject: New! Website photos with _People_ in them! 

Ever wondered what yours truly looked like? How about Bryceman?
You're right, I don't know if he _ever_ wondered what I looked like.

Wait, that didn't sound right; let me start over...

My web page listing on the '82 Cutlass has now been updated with more
photos showing the interior and, from the night I sold it, a shot of
yours truly; Keith Wood, the new owner; and our very own Bryceman.
You can check it out at my new and improved page:

http://www.442.com/andy.html

To see our photos, follow the link near the bottom under "Update!"

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Dan Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:31:24 -0300
Subject: RE: Resto  Tips  ..... 

>
>Painting fasteners can be a real pain.  But, if you take a piece of scrap wood
>and drill rows of holes (of varying sizes),  you can stick bolts in the holes 
>and shoot on the paint.  When the paint dries, simply remove the bolts.
>Nuts can be painted by screwing them onto bolts that have been run through a 
>piece of wood.
>


don't forget to put something (piece of cloth, napkin, etc.) over the newly
painted bolt when installing it or you will ruin all of that work.


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$Imperial LeBaron, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X, 1955 Cadillac Seville, 1969  $
$Cadillac DeVille Convertibles (2), 1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham$
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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:21:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Alarms  Was: Olds Stolen

Lloyd Culp wrote:
> 
> Mike:
> 
> Nice advice.  Did that come from you or the Toro?

The Toro.

The 66 Toro and whats-his-name


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 09:05:12 -0300
Subject: Re: My next driveway cover??? 

I don't have Lisa's homepage address here, just go to the Webcrawler, and 
enter "Lisa Madsen", one of the first (if not THE first) listings should be 
Lisa's homepage, check out the 442 from the cover of Car + Driver in 1968, on 
the top of the page, that's my car, and that's the color I want it to look 
like.  However, I also want to stick to original '68 Olds colors, so if the 
shade of Saffron yellow isn't close, I guess I'll be changing colors.  Any 
help would be appreciated.  Also, IF paint suppliers differ in shades and any 
Olds owner out there knows what paint supplier offers quality paint that 
matches our old Olds colors, please respond with this info also.
 
                                                      Thank you,
                                                         Craig.

>Date:		Tue, 30 Jul 1996 11:08:20 -0300
>From:	"Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
>Sender:	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>To:	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject:	Re: My next driveway cover???
>
>>Does any one, including Lisa herself, have any idea what the actual name
> of 
>>the color is on the 1968 442 convertable which is displayed on the top of 
>>Lisa Madsen's home page?
>
>D'ooohh! Where _is_ Lisa's home page? Her listings in Bryceman's site
>don't show a '68 at all...
>
>>I have the same car and want to do the same paint 
>>job, but only if it's that deeper, richer yellow (I want to stick to
> original 
>>68 442 colors) , and a color code would also be helpful too if ther are
> any 
>>68 owners out there with paint charts with codes.
>
>Dan Williams (dr_olds@kfmw.net) said this morning that he's got the
>Cars & Parts book with color illustrations, so maybe he can help. Dan?
>
>Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
>Datalogics, Inc.
>441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473
>
>

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:06:09 -0300
Subject: Re: My next driveway cover???

Re. "Saffron Yellow", used in '68: when I was deciding what color to 
repaint my '68 I almost picked this color. I had a paint chip chart and 
had also seen the color used on a '67 Chevelle here in town. Saffron is a 
very pale creamy yellow. Not at all bold like the yellow used on '70 
Rallye 350s, for example, or what Buick called Saturn Yellow on the '70 
GS. After a few years and some fading it looks almost like ivory.

I'm partial to yellow cars and thought it would look good with the black 
interior on mine. But every painter I talked to hated the color, and in 
truth it is a little subdued. I think Dal Allen's '67 is that color and 
he tells me it photographs very poorly. But I still like it and think a 
442 with the black stripe behind the front wheels would look really sharp.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu> (by way of ndg@traverse.com 
(Nielsen Design Group))
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:06:38 -0300
Subject: Cowboy time

Hello all, I am forwarding this on behalf of Mr. Chris Witt:

Finally heard from the race car's owner [Midnight Cowboy]..

Trans snafu was from lack of vacuum- JM28-29 cam!

Got a new best time... 13.23!

The motor: shaved BV C heads, Toro UHC pistons, 10.75:1 REAL compression ratio,
28-29 camshaft, new double springs, MSD/ HEI ignition, Edlebrock Torker?
intake, etc. Hmmm... not in the 12's yet. I still think that a 750 carb is
a bit small for all that.  At least it is running a double pumper now.

- --
Chris  B. Witt
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 13:10:20 -0300
Subject: Re: New! Website photos with _People_ in them!

On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Andrew C. Green wrote:
> Ever wondered what yours truly looked like? How about Bryceman?
> You're right, I don't know if he _ever_ wondered what I looked like.

Uh, yeah, sure... I wonder about you guys all the time.  :)

All in good fun... actually, Andrew, I remember you giving me a bit of a 
hard time when I mentioned my photographs a few months back, so I 
couldn't resist having some fun with this one. Maybe I started a trend 
by having my ugly mug on my page?

Off to check it out right now...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 06:17:00 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Olds Stolen 

     My sympathies, Dink.  I don't blame you for venting one bit!  I 
     probably wouldn't be near as calm and collected as you seem.
     
     What brand of radio is that which will replace the head unit if it's 
     stolen without the faceplate?  I had a Kenwood CD player stolen out of 
     my '79 Cutlass a few years back, and I still have the faceplate.  At 
     least I know they can't buy another one without the receipt or having 
     sent in the warranty registration card.  When buying the replacement 
     for the stolen CD, I decided to add a car alarm (close the barn door 
     _after_ the horse got out).
     
     I love my car alarm!  I have a Crimestopper CS9206SE alarm (it's a few 
     years old, I don't think they make this model anymore) and it's got 
     lots of neat features.  It's about the highest-end alarm you can get 
     that you can install yourself.  The ones like Clifford and Alpine 
     don't come with instructions and require a dealer to install them.  
     Mine was $100, plus $30 for the radar sensor, maybe an extra $10 for 
     3M line taps (cheezy I know, but I didn't want to cut any of the stock 
     wiring), heat-shrink tube, and fuse holders, and has every feature I 
     could want.  I like it so much I saw a used one for cheap and bought 
     it for my fiance's truck too.
     
     It's not hard to install, but I will say it takes a while, esp. if you 
     want to hook up all the features.  A wiring diagram for your car will 
     help a lot.  One thing I liked about this alarm that you don't find on 
     cheaper models is that all the wires on the wiring harness are about 
     6' long, I didn't have to extend hardly any of them.  The keyless 
     entry (door locks), passive arming, and trunk release are real 
     creature comforts that I'd sorely miss.  I don't think I've used my 
     door key in quite a while.  It's also got parking light flash, a 
     starter kill relay, hood/trunk/door pin switches, and dome light 
     turn-on and carjack protection (neither of those are enabled on mine). 
      I have the shock sensor set so it isn't very sensitive, so I've never 
     gotten a false alarm.  I added a microwave radar sensor in the 
     interior to detect any movement, so I feel as well covered as I can 
     reasonably be.  I'd recommend the Crimestopper alarms!
     
     Tom L.


______________________________ Reply Separator 
_________________________________
Subject: RE: Olds Stolen
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    7/30/96 5:46 AM


If the stereo has a detachable face plate and you still have the receipt 
you can get the main unit replaced at least. I worry about this kind of 
crap all the time. My 86 Supreme is irreplaceable to me. I would 
probably only get 2k from insurance if it was stolen, and I could never
replace it with that. Whats everyone's opinion on car alarms? Has anyone 
installe d/had one installed in their older olds?
     
     
     

------------------------------

From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:42:17 -0300
Subject: Re: New! Website photos with _People_ in them!

On 30 Jul 96 at 11:16, Andrew C. Green wrote:

> Ever wondered what yours truly looked like? How about Bryceman?
> You're right, I don't know if he _ever_ wondered what I looked like.

Looking at your attire, this picture was taken this June, right?

BTW, thanks to you and Mike Frederick (and the Toro) for the charging
system recommendations a few weeks ago.  It appears I had gotten (sit
down) a BAD Delco alternator that went south after a year... :-(

The list has paid off again.  Sure glad someone else pays y'all...

Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442



Mike

------------------------------

From: "Catalano's" <info@catalano.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:09:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds FAQ in HTML 

At 11:20 PM 7/29/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Shawn Twomey wrote:
>> 
>> The FAQ link on my page has been updated with a sparkling, new HTML
>> version of the document, thanks to Todd Hall (thall@en.com)
>
>Some very nice work by Todd.  We are all in your debt.
>
>Thanks, guys.
>
>The 66 Toro and Mike
>


Thanks gang, I am happy to do it.

You've all been very helpful bringing my 442 back to life and waking up some
of those comatose Olds brain cells. Their slowly coming back....kinda like
riding a bike, eh?   

If anyone finds any errors in the HTML FAQ please let me know.


Todd Hall
thall@en.com
'72 442

------------------------------

From: Doug <mcclan@wsdot.wa.gov>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 14:34:00 -0300
Subject: to everyone 

Oops.  I got 2400 mail messages while I was on vacation.  Fearful of deleting 
anything important, I carfully went through them all. 

Since there are many posts to this list, I would like to propose a way for us 
all to save a little time by using a simple scheme on the subject line:

1) start with the year(s) that the post could apply to (if the post applies 
to all years, just start the post with "all" insteat of the year) 

2) followed by a leter/number code for  the model(s) the post applies to ("C" 
for cutlass, "CS" for cutlass supreme "T" for Toro "98" for 98's etc.) 

3) followed by the general topic

A subject line for a post on... frame alignment holes for a '67 CS might look 
like:

'64-'67, 1st gen. A body, bent frame question

What do you people think?  

Doug
mcclan@wsdot.wa.gov

------------------------------

From: Bill Gochenour <billg@sjuvm.stjohns.edu>
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 1996 17:24:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Vanity Plates (Was Re: '84 H/O's, steering gears, etc.)

Jerry Childers wrote:
> 
> There is a great vanity plate on a Vette here in B'ham: IXLR8 or "I
> accelerate".
> 
> ----------
> From:   oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca on behalf of Andrew C. Green
> Sent:   Friday, July 19, 1996 1:45 PM
> To:     oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
> Subject:        Vanity Plates (Was Re: '84 H/O's, steering gears, etc.)
> 
> >On vanity plates, saw a Vette last night that said, "MYIN".  As in,
> >"Mine, mine, all mine, mwahaha!", I guess.
> 
> Nominations for _good_ vanity plates? I can think of two (we have a
> seven-letter maximum in Illinois) I've seen in the past:
> 
> A dark-blue metallic '69 442:  DRK STAR
> 
> A nice Champagne Bronze SSEi:  MY WINGS
> 
> Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
> Datalogics, Inc.
> 441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
> Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

As far as vanity plates go, here in New York everybodys got them. Not that 
I'm any better, my 1983 H/O's has what else......."3 STICKS" 
- -- 

Bill !                                         _           _       ___
                                             /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Aniversary Edition    /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1986 442 The Perfect "10"                /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
                                              |_|         |_|   |_______|
          
          See the site at http://yogi-bear.stjohns.edu/~toychest

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:28:35 -0300
Subject: Re: New! Website photos with _People_ in them!

Mike Coccagna wrote:
> 
> BTW, thanks to you and Mike Frederick (and the Toro) for the charging
> system recommendations a few weeks ago.  

Glad to help.

> It appears I had gotten (sit down) a BAD Delco alternator that went 
> south after a year... :-(

 :o

> Sure glad someone else pays y'all...

This pays?  WHAT?!?

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:55:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Stolen 

[SNIP]

>
>Sorry for venting but I had to.
>
>Dink
>
>\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>Dink                 Dayton, Ohio
>http://homepages.udayton.edu/students/heinle
>/////////////////////////////////////////////////

VENT AWAY! Sorry about the car...


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

------------------------------

From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 1996 14:19:16 -0300
Subject: Knocking & Pinging Article in PHR

For all you guys having the problems with knocking and pinging:  There's
an article in Popular Hot Rodding September issue on pages 32-34.  It
describes the use of tunable CD-type ignitions to help combat the
problem.  The particular kit they used was by MSD.  The article kinda
leaves you hangin as to whether or not it actually fixed the problem. 
Here's the second to last paragraph:

   "After the installation, trouble shooting
and other repairs (which took about
six hours), the engine started much
easier, the miss went away, and the
plugs began to clean themselves up.
The ping was still there, but you could
run more timing without the engine
pinging than you could with the stock
Ignition.  Also, the engine had better
throttle response than it did with the
stock ignition."

Read it if ya got it...

- -BS

------------------------------

From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu> (by way of ndg@traverse.com 
(Nielsen Design Group))
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:07:56 -0300
Subject: REO Speedwagon FS 

Chris Witt just can't stay away!
Again, forwarding this for him:

> From alain@paradisdesign.com Tue Jul 30 10:53:13 1996
> X-Sender: paradis@paradisdesign.com
> Message-Id: <v01540b00ae23d1a6d55c@[205.208.30.131]>
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 10:49:38 -0500
> From: alain@paradisdesign.com (Alain)
> Subject: REO Speedwagon
>
> Chris,
>
> My father has a 1946 REO Speedwagon for sale. It is in (near) mint
> condition and has only 40 000 original miles on it. It is candy-apple red.
> The spare tire even has the original 1946 air in it! The truck has been
> evaluated at $37 500...accepting bids.
>
> Please see a photo of the truck at the following URL:
>
> www.paradisdesign.com/reo/
>
> Regards,
>
> Alain
>
> www.paradisdesign.com
>
> Paradis Design
> Complete World Wide Web Design Solutions
> Ottawa,
> Canada
>
> pager: (613) 787-0620
> tel: (613) 737-5944
> fax: (613) 731-8439
>
>
>


- --
Chris  B. Witt
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

------------------------------

From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:32:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Stolen 

Dink:

That really sucks.  Sorry. 

On the off chance the car shows up whole somewhere, would you like to share
the VIN. If it shows up in Orlando or Atlanta I can check it out.

We've only had one car stolen.  A '90 Jeep Cherokee Laredo, the wife's car.
 She felt violated.  On the one hand, we did get the car back, with two
busted windows and the usual destroyed GM (anti-theft) steering column.  At
first we were excited to learn the car was in more or less one piece. When
Cheryl saw the car she felt even more emotion to see the dashboard trashed
(to take a radio that probably only fits a Jeep) and the console used as an
ashtray.

Something like 80%+ of stolen cars are for the ride, not the car.  Keep hope.
 It _might_ turn up more or less in one piece.

Bob Handren                         OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified                  '70 SX Convertible
Handren Associates, Inc.       Oviedo, FL
U.S. FDA Regulatory Affairs

------------------------------

From: Joanne Beausoleil <jbeausol@ftp.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:32:12 -0300
Subject: RE: to everyone 1996, VS, Underwear

I can barely get my underwear on right in the morning and I am supposed
to remember all that? :)

- ----------
From: 	Doug[SMTP:mcclan@wsdot.wa.gov]
Sent: 	Tuesday, July 30, 1996 1:34 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	to everyone 

Oops.  I got 2400 mail messages while I was on vacation.  Fearful of deleting 
anything important, I carfully went through them all. 

Since there are many posts to this list, I would like to propose a way for us 
all to save a little time by using a simple scheme on the subject line:

1) start with the year(s) that the post could apply to (if the post applies 
to all years, just start the post with "all" insteat of the year) 

2) followed by a leter/number code for  the model(s) the post applies to ("C" 
for cutlass, "CS" for cutlass supreme "T" for Toro "98" for 98's etc.) 

3) followed by the general topic

A subject line for a post on... frame alignment holes for a '67 CS might look 
like:

'64-'67, 1st gen. A body, bent frame question

What do you people think?  

Doug
mcclan@wsdot.wa.gov

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:17:47 -0300
Subject: Olds FAQ, miscell 

I apologize for not getting back about a number of messages sooner!

I didn't mean to supress any creativity with my FAQ reply.  I'll be 
thinking about the index.  The indexed HTML version is really nice.  A big 
"way to go" Todd!

I've been working on the next version of the FAQ.  Will be out in mid 
August.  I will send it to everyone on the list on the send date.

Water leaking: Have a helper spray the windshield, doors with a hose while you 
are inside checking for leakage.  Leaks usually will travel quite a distance 
from the point of entry to exit.  It might take several tries to pinpoint and 
fix the entry location.

Problems w/new 425: I don't have it with me and keep forgetting it, but maybe 
a 
manifold vacuum guage diagnosis chart would be helpful.  I'll try to remember 
it
tomorrow and if you want, I can fax it to you Michael.

Stolen '80 88: This is awful.  I hope it comes back with just an empty tank.  
It's time I got around to putting kill switches on both cars instead of just 
thinking about it.  Anyone want to share how they hooked up a kill switch with 
us?  I'll post my experiences when I get it done.

My '77 88: Remember your dad (t,y)elling [at] you to slow down on those rough 
railroad tracks?  Well, a nice rough set on my daily commute managed to break 
the '77's frame just behind the driver's wheel.  A sqweek turned up on day and 
upon inspection I found a break completely around the frame at one point.

To fix this, I dropped the gas tank, put it out of harms way, securely plugged 
the gas pipes, made sure there were no leaking gas lines, wire wheeled the 
frame, painted the frame inside and out, then sandwiched the outside channel 
of 
the frame on both sides of the break with two peices of 1/8" steel plate and 
some galvanized bolts and lock washers, then arc welded around the perimeter 
of 
the steel plate.  I also arc welded a piece on the inside channel (near gas 
tank) of the frame for more support.  This took more time and more tanks drops 
than I care to remember (Gene, I can drop that tank in 5 notes, I mean 
minutes).

The frame might have broken at some point (in the dead of winter no doubt).  
Just my two cents of experience.

David Brown          OCA #27978         (312) 702-9157
    Check out: www.442.com      www.oldsmobile.com
Send Olds FAQ request to: dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
                  or see: www.cps.msu.edu/~twomeysh/

- ----------------     
I have a solution for page numbers already w/Netscape.  The numbers are 
automatically put there as I print (1 of 4, 2 of 4, etc.).  Possibly 
others do the same or will w/future versions.  

An index would get my vote.  Don't think that I'm not very happy w/what 
you do now though.  Any improvements are just that much nicer, but I'm 
not mad now.
- -- 
SLTG

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:12:02 -0300
Subject: Re: My next driveway cover???

>I don't have Lisa's homepage address here, just go to the Webcrawler, and 
>enter "Lisa Madsen", one of the first (if not THE first) listings should be 
>Lisa's homepage

Okay, got it; it's

http://exo.com/~jht/olds/lisa.htm

>check out the 442 from the cover of Car + Driver in 1968, on 
>the top of the page, that's my car, and that's the color I want it to look 
>like.  However, I also want to stick to original '68 Olds colors, so if the 
>shade of Saffron yellow isn't close, I guess I'll be changing colors.

Okay, that's definitely not '69 Mayfair Maize, so forget what I said this
morning. I can think of some possible ways to get this color:

1) Have Dan Williams suddenly pop up with the right color name and/or code

2) Dig out a 1968 Cutlass catalog from somewhere and see if the colors are
listed in the back (I'd think so)

3) Find a touchup color chart in a good auto supply place that lists colors
by year. I think the name could vary from one GM brand to another, but the
paint code does not, and I kind of doubt that there'll be very many shades
of 1968 yellow; we've already ruled out the really light one.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:35:33 -0300
Subject: Re: to everyone  

>Oops.  I got 2400 mail messages while I was on vacation.  Fearful of deleting 
>anything important, I carfully went through them all.
                       ^^^^^^^^
Hey, good choice of words.

>Since there are many posts to this list, I would like to propose a way for us 
>all to save a little time by using a simple scheme on the subject line:
[...]
>What do you people think?  

While your proposal makes sense, I just can't see it likely to catch on
in a group that's barely mastered the art of not quoting entire messages
with "Me, too!" at the bottom. (C'mon, admit it! :-) I think the give and
take around here moves kind of fast and we have a tendency to not follow
rules unless there's some risk of personal injury, such as Mike Frederick
threatening to beat you up over some perceived insult to his car. Our best
bet is probably to stay on-topic as far as whatever the Subject line says,
and for God's sake have a descriptive Subject line to begin with, so that 
anyone not interested in that can reliably delete all messages in that
thread without reading them.

But in keeping with the spirit of the thing, I can suggest some other
abbreviations that could be applied to the Subject line of the post:

TIC - Tongue In Cheek, something to keep in mind when reading the rest
of this

HDIU - How Do I Unsubscribe posting - As if 80 messages a day was some
sort of heavy burden

TORO - Toronado Offense Requiring Outrage - Someone's gone and insulted
my car again

JMIG - Joe Mondello Is God

ONHI - Oh, No, He Isn't

ADAM(n) - Another Damn Andy Manuscript, where n = Number of pages he's
droned on for this time

No doubt someone will volunteer some more...

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:51:38 -0300
Subject: Re: FAQ -Reply

>I guess to everybody that knew what this meant it would be
>comparable to somebody asking what NOS means.
>
>Art Fuller

Hey! be nice!  I had no clue what NOS meant until a month ago when
someone (who undoubtedly was rolling thier eyes and scoffing) told
me...  I thought they were talking about a Nitrous Oxide rear wheel well
trim piece.  What the heck is that?

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 20:10:57 -0300
Subject: Re: to everyone 

Andrew C. Green wrote:

[SNIP!]

 ... I just can't see it likely to catch on in a group that's barely 
> mastered the art of not quoting entire messages with "Me, too!" 

[SNIP!]

> ... such as Mike Frederick threatening to beat you up over some 
> perceived insult to his car.

I don't remember that.  Maybe burning down a garage or two; maybe 
offensive remarks about the company you keep; but not beating people up.

> TORO - Toronado Offense Requiring Outrage - Someone's gone and insulted
> my car again

NNnNN - Nah-nah-na-nah-nah.  "You ain't got a Toro" (OR a Quad) post.

ST - So There!

SDIA - Sparky's done it again.  Man the fire extinguishers. 

GGG - Grounds, grounds, grounds.

ATO - ...and they're off!

> JMIG - Joe Mondello Is God
> ONHI - Oh, No, He Isn't

HA!

WKMTM - Witt knows more than Mondello!  (See also, NNnNN)

> ADAM(n) - Another Damn Andy Manuscript, where n = Number of pages he's
> droned on for this time

Zzzzzz.....

> No doubt someone will volunteer some more...

No doubt.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:20:47 -0300
Subject: rear defroster 

At 06:08 AM 7/30/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi, 
>  I'm having a problem with my '86 Cutlass (a lot of 86 Cutlass' today) where 
>the rear defroster isn't working.  It worked on + off for a while , but 
>doesen't respond at all anymore.  No, it's not the fuse, and yes it could be 
>the switch.  Any other ideas though? 

Is the defroster thinly painted lines (elements) directly on the inside of
the window?  If so, those elements can get breaks on them, then they won't
work.  Did it just quit working all at once, or an element or two at a time?
You can check the elements with a voltmeter.  Turn the defroster on.  To
find a break, put the POSITIVE voltmemer lead against the hot (+12v)
terminal to the defroster.  Put the NEGATIVE lead, with some aluminum foil
wrapped around it, against the end of the element near the hot (+12v source)
terminal, and slide it toward the other (grounded) end of the element.  If
the element is not broken, the voltage should rise slowly from zero volts at
the hot side to 12 volts at the grounded side of the element.  If it is
broken, the voltage will jump up to 10-12 volts where the break is.  You can
buy repair kits for the elements at auto parts stores...
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Todd Hall <thall@en.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:37:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds FAQ in HTML 

At 10:15 PM 7/29/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>The FAQ link on my page has been updated with a sparkling, new HTML
>
>[SNIP]
>
>I like the the way it is ONE page with intra-page links. This makes it easy
>to print, eliminating the need for following the links and printing
>individual pages, or having a separate text version.

I agree. Of course another option would be to have a zipped version of the
text file available for download. Simply a matter of an anchor tag pointing
to the zip file, most browsers will ask what you what to do with the file
(save it to disk, etc) 

>Now all we need is a CGI script that will take the VIN #, etc. and spit out
>a custom FAQ for your car!
>

Cool.....uh, I'm not doin' it though 

BTW: I thought I would redo the HTML version using tables to display the
index; links to the main sections on the right, subheadings on the left. It
should look really nice. Does anyone have a problem with displaying tables
in their browser? I think even AOL's supports tables now.

Todd Hall             
thall@en.com   
'72 442             

 

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:52:38 -0300
Subject: Anyone ordered a GM Special Tool? 

I'm shopping around for a Lock Plate Compressor tool for this weekend's
repair work. This is that gadget that works like a steering wheel puller
in reverse, to press down on the steering column lock plate so you can
pop the circlip off to get access to the turn signal switch and other
stuff underneath.

Anyway, I had always thought it was made of unobtainium until I found a
Lisle brand at Trak Auto for $17.99. This is probably the best deal, but
I figured I'd at least _try_ GM and see what theirs cost and whether it
was significantly better.

Now if they would only answer the damn phone.  :-(  The dealer told me
this morning that it was only available by phone order. No problem. But
when I dial (800) 345-2233, it just rings and rings. Is this an old number?
The part number is J23653-C, which I guess tells me (the "J" part) that
it's not Boston Tools, or whoever makes the "BT"-numbered tools. So who
makes the "J" tools? Is it in fact Lisle tools, and I'm running in circles?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:00:00 -0300
Subject: Re: My next driveway cover???

On Tue, 30 Jul 1996, Andrew C. Green wrote:
> Okay, that's definitely not '69 Mayfair Maize, so forget what I said this
> morning. I can think of some possible ways to get this color:

[Snippage]

> 3) Find a touchup color chart in a good auto supply place that lists colors
> by year. I think the name could vary from one GM brand to another, but the
> paint code does not, and I kind of doubt that there'll be very many shades
> of 1968 yellow; we've already ruled out the really light one.

The color on Lisa's page isn't Saffron. How that can be I don't know 
since it's a scan of an advert... maybe GM found Saffron didn't 
photograph well and altered the ad, or maybe during the scan it got 
modified somehow.

Anyway, here's the color code info for '68:

Color Code	Name		Dupont	Rinshed-	Ditzler
					Mason		DDL

Y		Saffron		4620L	A1715		81500


Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 12:56:43 -0300
Subject: Re: New! Website photos with _People_ in them!

Mike Frederick wrote:
> 
> Mike Coccagna wrote:
> >
> > BTW, thanks to you and Mike Frederick (and the Toro) for the charging
> > system recommendations a few weeks ago.
> 
> Glad to help.
> 
> > It appears I had gotten (sit down) a BAD Delco alternator that went
> > south after a year... :-(
> 
>  :o
> 
> > Sure glad someone else pays y'all...
> 
> This pays?  WHAT?!?
> 
> The 66 Toro and Mike
> 
> Mike:

Everyone gets paid what they're worth, you should know that.  I'm saving 
mine up for lunch next week.  At an average bill of $6.43, I only have 
$6.43 to go.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "AUVAX7::RILES" <RILES%AUVAX7.decnet@auscam.amd.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:58:00 -0300
Subject: Fan Clutches

My '71 Cutlass 350 sounds like a B-17 taking off whenever I accellerate and at 
highway speeds.  It has a thermostatic fan clutch that will spin about a 
quarter turn when the engine is off.  Does anyone know exactly how a 
thermostatic clutch works vs. a non-thermo clutch and is 1/4 turn enough 
spin?  
The Olds dealer said all V-8 applications called for a thermo-clutch.  
Aftermarket clutches are available in thermo and non-thermo.  Which is the 
best 
for no B-17 noise, but still adequate engine cooling?

Robert

------------------------------

From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:21:31 -0300
Subject: Re: to everyone 

>>Oops.  I got 2400 mail messages while I was on vacation.  Fearful of deleting
>>anything important, I carfully went through them all.
>                       ^^^^^^^^
>Hey, good choice of words.
>
>>Since there are many posts to this list, I would like to propose a way for us
>>all to save a little time by using a simple scheme on the subject line:
>[...]
>>What do you people think?
>

[SNIP]

You have a better chance of finding a Nitrous Oxide System rearview
mirror(although I hear they are rarely used).

>But in keeping with the spirit of the thing, I can suggest some other
>abbreviations that could be applied to the Subject line of the post:

[SNIP]

>No doubt someone will volunteer some more...

HIGROWHBWMFTMA - How I Got Rid Of Wheel Hop By Welding My Frame To My Axle.


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

------------------------------

From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:21:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds FAQ in HTML 

>At 10:15 PM 7/29/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>>The FAQ link on my page has been updated with a sparkling, new HTML
>>
>>[SNIP]
>>
[SNIP]

>
>>Now all we need is a CGI script that will take the VIN #, etc. and spit out
>>a custom FAQ for your car!
>>
>
>Cool.....uh, I'm not doin' it though
>

I was 1/2 joking... But might volunteer... You need a server that will run
CGI scripts. This is usually an administrative thing (the guy with the root
password and the security responsibilities. You have been bribing them so
far... Right...??) rather than a technical problem.

>BTW: I thought I would redo the HTML version using tables to display the
>index; links to the main sections on the right, subheadings on the left. It
>should look really nice. Does anyone have a problem with displaying tables
>in their browser? I think even AOL's supports tables now.

This has been in Netscape for some time now (I only use the FREE versions,
2.02 for the Mac right now).

Back to Olds stuff...


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

------------------------------

From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:22:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Anyone ordered a GM Special Tool?

Andrew,
Why do you want a GM tool? (oops)	 You know it will cost more, and the 
$17 
on will do the job.  Besides, you're not going to get the ring off after you 
compress it with the new tool.

Art Fuller

IHTR (I hate that ring)

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 17:26:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Anyone ordered a GM Special Tool? 

>Andrew,
>Why do you want a GM tool? (oops) You know it will cost more, and the $17 
>on will do the job.

Yeah, secretly I knew that. But (1) I like the idea of having a Gen-yoo-whine
GM tool (next best thing to Craftsman or Binford :-) and (2) my neighbor
already agreed to pay for it in exchange for my fixing his turn signal.

So unless it exceeds the value of the car in question (an '86 Sunbird)
(about $86), I figured I'd make a stab at locating the real thing. But
I know GM doesn't make this tool, somebody else does, and it would be
pretty stupid if it turns out to be the same Lisle tool I can buy down
the street.

>Besides, you're not going to get the ring off after you 
>compress it with the new tool.

Uh, lost me there, Art. This thing presses down the lock plate to
reveal the clip ring; it doesn't touch the ring itself. (Okay, I
admit it; I am secretly planning on reusing the ring anyway despite
what the manual sez...)

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:18:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Anyone ordered a GM Special Tool?

Andrew,
Wait before you order the tool. I think I'll make a new tool to compress the 
plate, with an attached hand grenade to blow the ring off.

Art Fuller  

------------------------------

From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:29:48 -0300
Subject: Re: main seals -Reply

> What do you guys think....The engine is completly rebuilt but I did it 10
> years ago and it hasn't been started in 8-9 yrs. Could the old main
seals
> possibly still be good??
> 
> Todd Hall

I guess that's possible... if you live in a humid climate and the engine
hasn't gotten too hot.  I live in the desert where it's hot and dry.  My seals
were leaking after sitting for just 3 years.

- -BS

------------------------------

From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:28:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Stolen

Dink, sorry to hear about that. I will keep a watch and see if we tow in any
stolen 80 Delta's. Do the Akron police know? We get bulletin's on stolen
cars from them daily. What part of town was it taken from?

At 08:47 PM 7/29/96 -0300, dink@infinet.com wrote:
>Well today sucked.  Some asshole stole my baby, my Oldsmobeast.  I 
>hope someone finds it one piece, but I doubt it. It was stolen from 

Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1988 Camaro IROC-Z/28 5.0 bowtie power  
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25 5.7 rocket power     
HOCA member #0278A

------------------------------

From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:28:52 -0300
Subject: RE: Olds Stolen

Actually you don't need a receipt. Dealers around here will sell you the
face plate no questions asked. I have found 4 to 5 radio's in the salvage
yard with missing plates. I go up and cry a sob story and they sell them to
me. I know of another dealer that wants a receipt unless you pay him to not
see a receipt.....not good! Car alarms are a waste, believe me. I have seen
the newest and best be defeated around here.  They even got the new GM
Passkey systyem on 96's cracked . There was a 96 Z/28 stolen with that
system armed. The best theft deterent for my car has been the old "remove
the injector fuses out of the fuse box" setup. In really bad places I remove
the fuel pump and injector fuses. Cheap ammo against thieves.....

At 09:15 AM 7/30/96 -0300, Joanne Beausoleil wrote:
>If the stereo has a detachable face plate and you still have the receipt
>you can get the main unit replaced at least. I worry about this kind of
>crap all the time. My 86 Supreme is irreplaceable to me. I would 
>probably only get 2k from insurance if it was stolen, and I could never
>replace it with that. Whats everyone's opinion on car alarms? Has anyone
installed/had one installed in their older olds?
>
>----------
>From: 	dink@infinet.com[SMTP:dink@infinet.com]
>Sent: 	Monday, July 29, 1996 7:47 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject: 	Olds Stolen
>
>Well today sucked.  Some asshole stole my baby, my Oldsmobeast.  I 
>hope someone finds it one piece, but I doubt it. It was stolen from 
>work in the middle of the day, in a sorta nice part of town. It wouldn't be 
so 
>bad if it wasn't for the $3000 stereo and $1500 golf clubs in the 
>trunk.  Nobody ever knew I had the stereo, I never showed it off, I 
>guess they stole it for a different reason.  Well this truly sucks, I
>now have no car, no Oldsmobile, no Golf clubs, and no trust in 
>anyone.  Well if anyone in the cleveland area finds olds parts real 
>cheap for am 80 Delta 88, please email me.   Dink@infinet.com
>
>And if anyone finds a complete Sony car system, or King Cobra clubs 
>please tell me.
>
>Sorry for venting but I had to.
>
>Dink
>
>\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
>Dink                 Dayton, Ohio
>http://homepages.udayton.edu/students/heinle
>/////////////////////////////////////////////////
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1988 Camaro IROC-Z/28 5.0 bowtie power  
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25 5.7 rocket power     
HOCA member #0278A

------------------------------

From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:28:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Alarms  Was: Olds Stolen

>
>1) No doubt about it, car alarms work.  The last thing a thief wants is 
>noise so just about any type of alarm is a help.  You can go for the 
>"talking" alarms, such as Viper, if you like but there is no cost 
>benefit.  Even the type that blows the horn will work just as well.

You would be amazed at todays criminal. Local police tell all the time of
thieves walking up to a car they know has a talking or loud alarm and taking
their old time getting in and ignoring the sound. Usually a second thief
stands by with the gun to scare away the owner when they come out. Alarms
work on amateur thieves. Professional's are stopped by nothing......except
maybe a gun...:)

Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1988 Camaro IROC-Z/28 5.0 bowtie power  
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25 5.7 rocket power     
HOCA member #0278A

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:20:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Anyone ordered a GM Special Tool? 

>Wait before you order the tool. I think I'll make a new tool to compress the 
>plate, with an attached hand grenade to blow the ring off.

Cool! This also solves that pesky problem of what to do with an '86 Sunbird!

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:49:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Stolen

Jason P. Labay wrote:
> 
> Car alarms are a waste, believe me.

They're not perfect but they're not a waste either.

> I have seen the newest and best be defeated around here.

The newest, perhaps.  The best -- I don't think so.  
(hint: they're not the same thing.  New doesn't equal better)

Betcha they can't get past my systems.  At least they haven't yet!  ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:54:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Alarms  Was: Olds Stolen

Jason P. Labay wrote:
> 
> Professional's are stopped by nothing......except maybe a gun...:)

No doubt.  But lets not forget that the majority of motor vehicle thefts 
are committed by kids not professionals.  If they really want the car, 
they'll bring a rollback and it's bye-bye.  I stand by my original 
statement: any decent alarm will deter that average joy-ridding punk and 
most (not all) pros.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:14:10 -0300
Subject: Re: AOL Question

>Dunno but I expect they can ... for a price!  That's one reason why I use 
>and recommend an *independent* Internet Service Provider (ISP)

AMEN!


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
         Brought to you by a Apple Power Macintosh 7100/80
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

------------------------------

From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:17:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Stolen

Dink wrote:
>Well today sucked.  Some a**hole stole my baby, my Oldsmobeast.

Tell us the make, model, VIN, license plate, year, colors, everything.... 
If it comes North to Michigan, I will certainly be on the lookout as I'm 
on the road half of the day in Metro Detroit.

Also, the phone number to your local police department, just in case luck 
prevails.

I'm truly sorry for your loss, you feel violated when something is stolen 
from you.

Sympathies,
Mike


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
         Brought to you by a Apple Power Macintosh 7100/80
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 20:42:44 -0300
Subject: Re: My next driveway cover??? 

In a message dated 96-07-30 06:45:20 EDT, you write:

<< As for the parts car, it's a 4 door. >>

Would this car happen to have a really nice passenger front fender with a
cornering lite hole?  Still wearing Turquoise paint would be appreciated.

Paul

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 20:39:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Virtual Showroom 

In a message dated 96-07-30 02:02:29 EDT, you write:

<< received one from Pontiac  >>

Hmmm, maybe I'll have to get that one too.  Can you order it online, or over
the phone.  I think Cadillac has one too.  Being a literature collector, this
looks like it's gonna be the "paper" of the future.

Paul

------------------------------

From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:44:23 -0300
Subject: Re: New! Website photos with _People_ in them!

Mike Frederick wrote:
>This pays?  WHAT?!?

My check for 442 billion will go out today...

Congrats!
Mike


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
         Brought to you by a Apple Power Macintosh 7100/80
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

------------------------------

From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 20:54:52 -0300
Subject: Wanted

Would anyone have a MSD 6AL, or Crane, also Holley 850 DP, and either a 
mallory or MSD billet distributor they would like to sell?

------------------------------

From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:00:34 -0300
Subject: RE: Vanity Plates (Was Re: '84 H/O's, steering gears, etc.)

This has absolutely nothing to do with Olds vanity plates -- this one was 
on a Honda -- but I had to share it.  The plate itself says "BARRY M".  
Allright, innocent enough.  The license plate *frame*, however, 
proclaims, "My car stereo plays only MANILOW music"!!!! Can you dig 
that???  Eeeeep!!!

8o
peg

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 15:54:46 -0300
Subject: Saffron

Everyone:

I was checking on "Saffron" after my statement about the 1968 pictured 
442 convertible not being saffron & that color isn't.  My stupid problem 
is that saffron was the only yellow offered in 1968.  The color from the 
Olsdmobile catalog is definitely not saffron as it is much too yellow.  
The real 1968 color is a creamy ivory color.  Olds must have wanted 
something brighter for their catalog than the correct color.

I should have known better & will take time to change feet before 
commenting again.

Amazingly, AACA might accept the color in the catalog as correct for 
the judging manual says:

	"Any feature, option, or accessory shown in the original factory 
	catalog, sales literature or company directives for the model 
	year of the vehicle, will be accepted for judging." 

It just goes to show that authenticity is not so easy unless one is 
familiar with the subject.

To get a correct picture of the color, go to an established auto paint 
supply house & look at the color chips for that year.  These can be 
computer matched even though the original formulas & paints might not be 
available.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:00:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Virtual Showroom

PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 96-07-30 02:02:29 EDT, you write:
> 
> << received one from Pontiac  >>
> 
> Hmmm, maybe I'll have to get that one too.  Can you order it online, or over
> the phone.  I think Cadillac has one too.  Being a literature collector, this
> looks like it's gonna be the "paper" of the future.
> 
> Paul

Paul:

I ordered it online from Pontiac's webpage.  You have me curious.  Now 
I have to look at Cadillac's webpage.  Getting that CD would be my only 
reason to do so.  I have owned 2 Eldorado's & don't plan on owning a 
3rd.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:20:20 -0300
Subject: Re: My next driveway cover??? 

In a message dated 96-07-30 08:09:08 EDT, you write:

<<  What shade of yellow is Saffron?  I was thinking of doing my 442 
 convertable in the original yellow for '68 (with the black side stripe of 
 course).  I saw a '69 w/an origianl yellow paint job, but it was sort of a 
 weak lighter yellow.  Is the yellow '68 442 convertable on the top of Lisa 
 Madsen's home page close to Saffron - sort of a medium darker, richer
yellow? 
   >>

Oldsmobile used Saffron (code Y) from '67 to '69.  The color sample in all 3
Color and Trim books for those years are the same.  Chevrolet used this color
also, but called it Butternut Yellow.  Buick used it in '69 (maybe '68 too)
and called it Cameo Cream.  Cadillac may have used it too.  Don't have access
to Pontiac colors right now, but you'd think they would have too.  

Saffron was replaced in '70 by Sebring Yellow (code 51).  It is a much
brighter yellow and is used on all Rallye 350s.  Once looked at a '68 Cutlass
Supreme Coupe in Saffron.  Very pretty car.  Would look super with the bumble
bee stripes and a set of Rallyes.  442 on Lisa's page seems to be too dark,
maybe that's just how the original ad printed, or that's how it scanned.  How
'bout '70 Sebring Yellow or '72 Sunfire Yellow? 

Paul

------------------------------

From: kdporter@midwest.net (kdporter)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:25:28 -0300
Subject: Re: 70 cutlass 350/350 to 455/400

>ive got a 70 cutlass with a 350 and a turbo 350 trans and i want to switch to
>a 455 and a turbo 400==anyone know if i will need a different crossmember and
>or driveshaft==if so what year cars parts might work??
>also have a 350 block rods pistons cam heads ex manifolds to sell if anyone
>is interested==and when the 455 goes in another 350 and bop turbo 350 will be
>for sale
>if you have ever done this please e-mail me or post a reply==any help would
>be great!!!
>
>
>


kdporter
Preferred Company
kdporter@midwest.net

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>ive got a 70 cutlass with a 350 and a turbo 350 trans and i want to switch to
>a 455 and a turbo 400==anyone know if i will need a different crossmember and
>or driveshaft==if so what year cars parts might work??
>also have a 350 block rods pistons cam heads ex manifolds to sell if anyone
>is interested==and when the 455 goes in another 350 and bop turbo 350 will be
>for sale
>if you have ever done this please e-mail me or post a reply==any help would
>be great!!!
>
>
>


kdporter
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>ive got a 70 cutlass with a 350 and a turbo 350 trans and i want to switch to
>a 455 and a turbo 400==anyone know if i will need a different crossmember and
>or driveshaft==if so what year cars parts might work??
>also have a 350 block rods pistons cam heads ex manifolds to sell if anyone
>is interested==and when the 455 goes in another 350 and bop turbo 350 will be
>for sale
>if you have ever done this please e-mail me or post a reply==any help would
>be great!!!
>
>
>


kdporter
Preferred Company
kdporter@midwest.net

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From: kdporter@midwest.net (kdporter)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:43:30 -0300
Subject: test

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kdporter
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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:50:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Stolen

>
>Betcha they can't get past my systems.  At least they haven't yet!  ;)

I think that the best systems are homemade. Haven't seen anybody defeat my
fuse out of the fuel injectors system yet....The theft deterent system I see
beaten the most is the Club. Lotsa sawed in-half steering wheels come in
here.....

Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1988 Camaro IROC-Z/28 5.0 bowtie power  
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25 5.7 rocket power     
HOCA member #0278A

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:02:36 -0300
Subject: and still more on Saffron 

Forgot, Olds also used Saffron in '65, but skipped '66.  There's a '67
Toronado in the original Saffron with a white vinyl top in the local
boneyard.  Think that must have looked strange when it was new.  New a guy in
Gettysburg that used to have a '67 Cutlass convertible in Dk Toronado Green
w/black top and yellow interior - YUK!  Looks like '67 was the only year for
the triple yellow Cutlass and 98 convertibles.  Maybe Camaros too?

Here's who used this shade of yellow and what they called it (like any of you
care anymore!)

Buick - Bamboo Cream - '65
Buick - Cream - '66
Buick - Cameo Cream '68 & 69
Cadillac - Cape Ivory - '65 & '66
Cadillac - Persian Ivory - '67
Cadillac - Kashmir Ivory - '68
Cadillac - Colonial Yellow - 69
Chevrolet - Crocus Yellow - '65
Chevrolet - Lemonwood Yellow - '66
Chevrolet - Butternut Yellow - '67 thru '69
Oldsmobile - Saffron - '65 and '67 thru '69
Pontiac - Mayfair Maize - '65 and '68 & '69
Pontiac - Candlelite Cream - '66

Not 100% sure on the Cadillac colors, they may be a different shade, as
Cadillac used the number 40 for these colors instead of the letter Y as all
the others did. However, the book shows that the Y colors changed over to the
number 40 in '69 but names and shades stayed the same.  That leads me to
beleive that the Caddys are the same color (which would probably be really
important to all of us if we owned Caddys, which most of us don't, so I'm
done!)

Paul

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 01:10:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Stolen

Jason P. Labay wrote:
> 
> I think that the best systems are homemade. 

That's because homemade systems are designed for security.  Consumer 
systems are designed to sell (based on R2D2 sounds and talking cars).  
Want to steal a car in Tampa?  Go to the mall during a thunderstorm.  So 
many alarms go off you wouldn't hear a plane crash. (vibration sensors).

> The theft deterent system I see beaten the most is the Club. Lotsa 
> sawed in-half steering wheels come in here.....

Glad somebody else agrees with me there.  People look at me like I'm nuts 
(yeah, I know, Andy) when I tell them you don't need to cut the club -- a 
nice big set of bolt-cutters will do the wheel in a twinkle-of-an-eye.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@kfmw.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:19:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Stolen

That really sucks about the car.  

I have installed about 5 of those flashing light deals and none of the 
cars I put them in have been stolen.  If you have a Crutchfield catalog 
you can get a kit for 19 bucks.  That is a little high but you can get 
all the wiring stuff for your stereo from them for free since you 
ordered the light.  Probably the best combo would be a fake light and 
something like and ignition kill switch or something similiar.

- -Dan

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From: "Dink" <dink@infinet.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:54:40 -0300
Subject: RE: Olds Stolen

> If the stereo has a detachable face plate and you still have the receipt
> you can get the main unit replaced at least.
To bad the face was in the glove compartment.

> Whats everyone's opinion on car alarms? Has anyone installed/had one 
> installed in their older olds?
Had one, but it was more annoying than usefull, kinda silly that just 
took it out last week(but it hasn't worked in over a year.)

Dink

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Dink                 Dayton, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~dink
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From: "Dink" <dink@infinet.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:54:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Stolen

> > No point in going to the bad side of town to steal junkers.
well at least it made me laugh.

> > majority we see are kids joy-riding.  When they run them out of gas, they
> > leave them in a parking lot and steal the one next to it.  Let's hope
> > that's all that happened to yours.
lets hope and pray.

> > Keep on the cops.  I've never had much luck with them unless you bug the
> > hell out of them (or distribute doughnuts).  We're pullin' for ya.
hmm, I guess I have to make a trip to the donut shop tomarrow.

 > WE LOVE YA MAN!
I've noticed, and THANKS!

> I would be a little bisserk about now if it happened to me.  Head Mike's 
> advice & stick w/those cops.  Hopefully it was a joy rider & you recover 
> soon w/only an empty gas tank.
And it had a full tank too, damn.


Dink

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Dink                 Dayton, Ohio
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From: alain@paradisdesign.com (Alain)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:57:46 -0300
Subject: 1946 REO SpeedWagon for sale. 

Hi all,

I have a very special vehicle for sale which should be of interest to most of
you. It is a 1946 REO SpeedWagon (that is R.E.Olds). It is in mint condition. 
To
get more info on it, I would appreciate it if you would go to the following 
URL:

www.paradisdesign.com/reo/

If you know anyone who could be interested in this beauty, please tell them
about it.

The reason I am selling it is that my schedule does not permit the time 
required
to maintain it the way it deserves. There is a number to call on the web
site if you are interested.

Regards,

Alain

www.paradisdesign.com

Paradis Design
Complete World Wide Web Design Solutions
Ottawa,
Canada

pager: (613) 787-0620
tel: (613) 737-5944
fax: (613) 731-8439

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From: "Dink" <dink@infinet.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:54:41 -0300
Subject: RE: Olds Stolen

> They even got the new GM
> Passkey systyem on 96's cracked . There was a 96 Z/28 stolen with that
> system armed. 
Hey send me some info, if you have it.  I don't want anybody 
stealing my 95 Formula, either.

> The best theft deterent for my car has been the old "remove
> the injector fuses out of the fuse box" setup. In really bad places I remove
> the fuel pump and injector fuses. Cheap ammo against thieves.....
Sounds good to me.


Dink

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Dink                 Dayton, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~dink
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From: "Dink" <dink@infinet.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:54:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Stolen

> Dink, sorry to hear about that. I will keep a watch and see if we tow in any
> stolen 80 Delta's.
Thanks

> Do the Akron police know?
Probably not, it was in Warrensville Hts.

Thanks for watchfull eye.


Dink


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Dink                 Dayton, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~dink
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From: "Dink" <dink@infinet.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:54:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Stolen, details

> Tell us the make, model, VIN, license plate, year, colors, everything.... 
> If it comes North to Michigan, I will certainly be on the lookout as I'm 
> on the road half of the day in Metro Detroit.
Ok, here we go.

80 Olds Delta 88 Royale 2DR

307, 3sp auto, MSD 6a, Msd Wires, Accell Supercoil

Large hole in exhaust pipe by right side manifold.

it's dark red, kinda brownish.  The right side hood and trunk are 
severly faded

Grand Am Radial GT raised white letters tires, on freshly painted black 
Rally's with knick 
free trim rings.

also had tinted windows

Ohio Collectors Plate  "OC2586"

VIN:  3N37YAX178054

Phone Numbers
home:              330-225-7628
other home:     216-662-4481
work:              216-662-1910 x207
Warrensville Police Dept  216-581-1234  attn: Sgt. Kurtin
 
> I'm truly sorry for your loss, you feel violated when something is stolen 
> from you.

THANKS,  you guys are great.

Dink

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Dink                 Dayton, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~dink
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From: "Dink" <dink@infinet.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 18:54:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Stolen

> That really sucks.  Sorry. 
yep.

> On the off chance the car shows up whole somewhere, would you like to share
> the VIN. If it shows up in Orlando or Atlanta I can check it out.
i'll make a seperate post, with lots o info.

> Something like 80%+ of stolen cars are for the ride, not the car.  Keep hope.
>  It _might_ turn up more or less in one piece.
that's nice know, but it was a clean almost rust free car, so lets 
hope it was just joy riders.

Dink

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Dink                 Dayton, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~dink
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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:05:24 -0300
Subject: RE: Vanity Plates (Was Re: '84 H/O's, steering gears, etc.)

> From oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca Tue Jul 30 20:02 EDT 1996
> Date: 	Tue, 30 Jul 1996 21:00:34 -0300
> From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
> This has absolutely nothing to do with Olds vanity plates -- this one was 
> on a Honda -- but I had to share it.  The plate itself says "BARRY M".  
> Allright, innocent enough.  The license plate *frame*, however, 
> proclaims, "My car stereo plays only MANILOW music"!!!! Can you dig 
> that???  Eeeeep!!!

My all time favorite is the VW Beetle that had "FEATURE".

As in, not a bug, but a ...

- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

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From: Chris and Robin <cya442@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 23:22:38 -0300
Subject: Re: to everyone 1996, VS, Underwear

Joanne Beausoleil wrote:
> 
> I can barely get my underwear on right in the morning and I am supposed
> to remember all that? :)
> 
> ----------
> From:   Doug[SMTP:mcclan@wsdot.wa.gov]
> Sent:   Tuesday, July 30, 1996 1:34 PM
> To:     oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
> Subject:        to everyone
> 
> Oops.  I got 2400 mail messages while I was on vacation.  Fearful of deleting
> anything important, I carfully went through them all.
> 
> Since there are many posts to this list, I would like to propose a way for us
> all to save a little time by using a simple scheme on the subject line:
> 
> 1) start with the year(s) that the post could apply to (if the post applies
> to all years, just start the post with "all" insteat of the year)
> 
> 2) followed by a leter/number code for  the model(s) the post applies to ("C"
> for cutlass, "CS" for cutlass supreme "T" for Toro "98" for 98's etc.)
> 
> 3) followed by the general topic
> 
> A subject line for a post on... frame alignment holes for a '67 CS might look
> like:
> 
> '64-'67, 1st gen. A body, bent frame question
> 
> What do you people think?
> 
> Doug
> mcclan@wsdot.wa.gov

Sounds great, I get tired of reading each piece of mail to only find out 
it doesn't pertain to me.  Let's give it a try.
Chris <cya442@erols.com>

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@kfmw.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 16:57:55 -0300
Subject: Re: My next driveway cover???

> 1) Have Dan Williams suddenly pop up with the right color name and/or code

Well, Saffron was the only yellow color offered in 1968.  That picture is not 
Saffron.  My guess is that is a by-product of the scan of a 28 year old 
picture.  

- -Dan

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:09:01 -0300
Subject: New rules for subject lines...

At 11:22 PM 7/30/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Joanne Beausoleil wrote:
>> 

[ SNIP ]

>> Subject:        to everyone

[ SNIP ]
 
>> Oops.  I got 2400 mail messages 
>> Doug
>> mcclan@wsdot.wa.gov
>
>Sounds great, I get tired of reading each piece of mail to only find out 
>it doesn't pertain to me.  Let's give it a try.
>Chris <cya442@erols.com>
>
Yeah, and I get tired of scrolling through a two page long message that was
posted four days ago and has three old replies in it to read a "Me too!!" at
the bottom.  How about trimming replies before sending them, folks.
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:10:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Anyone ordered a GM Special Tool?

At 05:26 PM 7/30/96 -0300, you wrote:
>(Okay, I
>admit it; I am secretly planning on reusing the ring anyway despite
>what the manual sez...)
>
>Andrew C. Green            

I've had mine apart twice and reused the ring both times.  Didn't know there
was a special tool to depress the lock plate...I don't remember how I got
mine off.
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:12:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Stolen

Mike Frederick wrote:
> 
> Jason P. Labay wrote:
> >
> > I think that the best systems are homemade.
> 
> That's because homemade systems are designed for security.  
> > The theft deterent system I see beaten the most is the Club. Lotsa
> > sawed in-half steering wheels come in here.....
> 
> Glad somebody else agrees with me there.  People look at me like I'm nuts
> (yeah, I know, Andy) when I tell them you don't need to cut the club -- a
> nice big set of bolt-cutters will do the wheel in a twinkle-of-an-eye.
> 
> The 66 Toro and Mike
> 
>

Mike:

I hope the kids from my classes aren't reading these posts. OTOH, they 
could probably write much better ones!

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 30 Jul 1996 19:25:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Anyone ordered a GM Special Tool?

> >(Okay, I
> >admit it; I am secretly planning on reusing the ring anyway despite
> >what the manual sez...)
> >
> >Andrew C. Green
>=20
> I've had mine apart twice and reused the ring both times.  Didn't know =
there
> was a special tool to depress the lock plate...I don't remember how I g=
ot
> mine off.
> --
> Dave Paulison       =20

Dave:

I've taken them off both ways.  Believe me, I know how I did it before=20
the depressor tool.  I would rather forget too, but then I occasionally=20
get someone to surprise me w/o the tool needing help.

I also didn't know that you couldn't reuse the ring.  I have some=20
w/several trips up & dowen that steering shaft.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama
- --=20
MZ=90

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 1996 00:50:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Anyone ordered a GM Special Tool?

If you reuse that little ring too many times you may experience a 70's version 
of an air bag as you're going down the road.

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