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oldsmobile-digest        Thursday, 5 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 290


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From: zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:22:04 -0300
Subject: more on motor swap 350-cutlass

The TH400 tranny I have is a short shank, and it will HAVE TO be used,
because the previous owner kept the other tranny.  There is a well known
tranny "builder" nearby, and I have my suspicions.  With the short shank
TH400, does anybody know what sort of modifications I will need to make?
Will I need a custom driveshaft?  Shortening a driveshaft is no problem,
because I know a man here who will do it cheap and even balance it correctly.
I've already got the cutlass about ready for the 350, the 305 is out!  It
was a junkyard find off of a 78 Camaro according to what's written on the
heads.  I'm thinking of rebuilding it and using it in my friends '50 F*rd.
Also, I'm just curious, is there anybody that can decipher this new a
vin#?  If so, 1G3AR47A5ER314004
Thanks,
Clay Pierce

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From: John Harris <John.Harris@rttc.redstone.army.mil>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:35:32 -0300
Subject: Ram Rod 350

What years were ram rod 350s produced?

JMH 69 442

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:06:42 -0300
Subject: Re: car show adventures

> going again - too much driving!  Really liked the swap meet.  Bought a backup
> lite assy. for my '72 C/S for $2 and got a '67 shop manual for $45 - that's
> the most reasonable price I've seen yet, usually $60 - $75.  Good news!
>  We've had a fender shipped in from Montana (even has a cornering lite hole!)
				      ^^^^^^^	
> so the dent that you saw in my '67 98 will be gone soon!  Where was Dan?  I
> forgot what he was driving.
> 
> Paul

	Just out of curiousity, what part of the state did it come from?  
I'm pretty familiar with most of the ones here in the western part of the 
state, but not so much the eastern half.  I'm just wondering, because 
there just dosn't seem to be to many Oldsmobiles in the junkyards around 
here (Missoula).
	
			Scott
		1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: bryceman@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:30:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Halls Visit 

>Just curious.  I'm looking for a '66 Starfire with bench seat and a column
>automatic.  Someone told me I need the trans shifter linkage to convert my
>'67 98 to duals.  Trans rod is bowed instead of straight to make room for the
>pipe on the driver's side.  The car my manifold came out of is gone (it was a
>console anyway).  Thinking this part should interchange between '66 & '67???
> Did you see any cars equipped like this?

There was one '66 Starfire but it had buckets and console. Your best bet
would be to get the exact measurements of that special rod and have it
fabricated. There is a factory one on the Apprehender. I can measure it for
you and send a drawing with measurements if you like. I dont know if
'66-'67 are same. I would think they should be but I am just guessing.

       Life, Liberty and the "Hot Pursuit" of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
           Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

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From: Dave Isho <davei-2@mail.idt.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:34:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Year One request 

At 12:46 PM 9/4/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Does anyone know what the E-mail address is for Year One? 
>
>
According to the folks at Year One their E-mail address is yearone@atl.com.
The address for year one given on the F-body home page is info@yearone.com. 

Hope this helps. Mention you saw them on the web and the catalog is free.

 >Dave Isho --- davei-2@mail.idt.net
     >67 Cutlass CS Convertible
     

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:36:00 -0300
Subject: Year One request

Anyone,
I am a new subscriber, and I have a '68 Cutlass Supreme, and a '69 Cutlass 
Convertible that I am completely restoring.  I also belong to the (St. 
Louis) Archway Oldsmobile Club.  I have an old Year One catalog and would 
like to request a more updated copy.  Does anyone know what the E-mail 
address or the web site location is for Year One?   Please contact me via 
E-mail: SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com

ps.  I posted an article I wrote about a couple recent trips to Halls 
Salvage.  Does anyone know if it was posted?


Thank you much,

Jeff Zeilmann
 ----------

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From: Dave Isho <davei-2@mail.idt.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:41:04 -0300
Subject: RE: HEI Nightmare! -Final Reply  

At 02:31 PM 9/4/96 -0300, you wrote:
>[WARNING!  This post is long.  Read at own risk.]
>
>>Well, wiring is wiring, whether it's an Olds, Chevy or Briggs&Stratton.
>>But yeah, I think it's time to take matters into your own hands.
>
> Because "that's where it is on my car and they're exactly the same", he said,
>matter-of-factly.

Next thing you know he'll tell you that an Olds 400 is a small block just
because the Ch*vy's is!!

I'd definitely think twice before I let this guy within 20 feet of my car.
You could have done a better job and saved yourself some aggravation with a
little research (here for example) and looking at the book. Oh well live and
learn.

 >Dave Isho --- davei-2@mail.idt.net
     >67 Cutlass CS Convertible
     

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:45:35 -0300
Subject: RE: '70 442 (was: New Toro..Not)

Checked out the 442 last night:

I pulled in the drive and saw W-30 emblems and got real excited. =
However,
after checking the engine compartment I found black wheel wells and "E"
heads....oh, well. He did have a set of "F" heads but was not about to =
part
with them.

I would just like to add at this point that anyone considering buying =
"F" heads to look carefully at the letter because I have seen a number =
of "E" heads ground down to look like an "F". Don't let the letter fool =
you, inspect the heads internally as well.

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:02:26 -0300
Subject: 4 on the floor, Toro for sale...was Re: W-43

> way I own a 69 W-30 that came from the factory with a ford 3-speed top
	                                                     ^^^^^^^   
> loader. I'v had this car since day one so I know thats the way it was built.
> The packing slip says the same thing the tranie does FO MO CO. So how many
> of these GM-ford hybreads were made??? 
> 
	
	Um, if I'm not mistaken, the toploader was a four speed only affair 
(typo?).  It was designed because the Borg Warner T-10 they were using 
just wasn't strong enough for the power the 427 and 428.  

	What was Olds using at the time?  Was it a T-10, Muncie or a 
Saginaw?  I don't know, but it seems like a Muncie M-33 would have done 
the trick just fine.  The Saginaw and T-10 might have been a little weak 
though.  Anyway, I'm no expert on manual transmissions, just kind of 
curious.  

	
	On a completly different note, there was an ad in one of the local 
papers for a 66 Toro, "Classic Oldsmobile" for $450.  Thats all it said.  
I tried to get a hold of the guy yesterday, but no luck.  I'll try again 
today, though.  Not that I can really afford another project, but I'd 
still like to see what the guy has.  It's actually located in 
Stevensville, about 25 miles from here.  If it's in any kind of shape at 
all, it's probibly worth it.  I'll give some details when I have them.  
Like I said, I really can't afford another car, but is anybody else 
interested?  
		
	
			Scott 
		1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98 

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:05:25 -0300
Subject: Re: parts & info wanted, '68 cutlass

On Sun, 1 Sep 1996, Roger Hitson wrote:
> My '68 Cutlass is missing duct work for the defroster and air conditioning.
> I haven't found any in junk yards - theirs are all rotted away, as are mine.
> Since I haven't seen one intact, I don't really know what I need. Does 
> anybody have a photo or diagram and/or suggestions for a parts source?

If you mean the tubes that direct air from the heater/AC box to the dash 
vents and defroster, these are fabric covered metal reinforced flexible 
duct tubes. I've seen them listed in the JC Whitney catalog in a number 
of different diameters. Probably as easy a place as any to find these 
things.

As for what and how much of it you need, that's hard to say. I looked at
my '68 service manual for this. It appears that you need 2 lengths of
flexible ducting for the defroster outlets, just like in my non a/c car. 
The dash outlet at the left (driver's) end appears to need a piece of
ducting to attach it to the a/c manifold. The right dash outlet appears to
have a solid (plastic?) duct leading to it from the manifold according to
the diagram, as does the center dash vent. Hopefully the manifold for the
a/c is still there on your car. 

Hope this helps.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 11:12:29 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: HEI Nightmare! -Final Reply  

>[WARNING!  This post is long.  Read at own risk.] 
>
>>Well, wiring is wiring, whether it's an Olds, Chevy or Briggs&Stratton. 
>>But yeah, I think it's time to take matters into your own hands.
>
> Because "that's where it is on my car and they're exactly the same", he 
said, 
>matter-of-factly.
     
Next thing you know he'll tell you that an Olds 400 is a small block just 
because the Ch*vy's is!!
     
     And then there's the 403 Olds Big Block, that *has* to use a different 
     cam than those Olds Small Blocks. . .  :-)
     
     You should have pointed out the firing order stamped on the intake 
     manifold too to him.
     

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 09:47:11 -0300
Subject: '69 ductwork & '68 convertible

I am looking for a hard plastic duct for the AC on my Olds that goes from
the AC distribution box(?) under center of the dash, and goes under the
steering column.  It's got kind of an oval profile.  I removed it years ago
to do some work under the dash and never put it back (AC don't work,
anyway); now I can't find it.  Bummer.

Saw a nice '68 Cutlass convertible on the road today, black with a black top
and interior.  Passed it, so it was only a quick glance.  Looked nice,
though.  Interesting tail lights.

- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Brad Nicholson <76062.3042@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:24:33 -0300
Subject: New Baby Coming - LSS

The LSS has the 3.8 fuel injected V6, no supercharger.  Final price is $12,098,
that's the
balance my cousin-in-law owes on the loan.  Included is a 10 disc cd player in
the trunk.
Anyone have a dealer brochure or fancy promo book for sale for the '94 LSS or
88.

Anyone want to buy a 91 Honda Accord for $8000?
(46K, 5spd, blue, tilt, AM/FM/Cass, solid commuter car or one to give to the 
kid
to keep him/her away from the Olds)

  ---
 | | | Brad Nicholson
 | | | 1987 442 W-42
 |/|\| 1994 88 LSS (soon)
 | | | 76062.3042@compuserve.com
  ---

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From: Brad Nicholson <76062.3042@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:24:36 -0300
Subject: Re: New OCA Chapter Forming: Baltimore, MD

Bill Culp Replied
>I believe that I like Chesapeake Bay rockets as well as any.  Nothing
>original to me comes to mind.
>
>Good luck w/the club.  Those things are real work.  Expect several
>years of dedication & plenty of me too's, but little help.

If you like the name so much, how 'bout joining.  It'll only be about a 10-12
hour commute to meetings (hee, hee heee) ;^)

Seriously though, anyone is welcome to join up and help get this puppy running.

Here's a new possibile name -"Centennial Oldsmobile Club", if we can get our
charter at the
100th Anniv in Lansing.  I talked w/ Steve Denovi About it and he saw no
problems.

  ---
 | | | Brad Nicholson
 | | | 1987 442 W-42
 |/|\| 1994 88 LSS (soon)
 | | | 76062.3042@compuserve.com
  ---

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From: Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 18:38:12 -0300 
Subject: Re: Fusicks Auto

From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>

>Just got back from a visit to Fusicks Auto Parts. Nice place! Talked to the
>guys at the counter for a while about replacement parts and SS rims. He said
>he has a set of SSII (I finally learned the difference!!) rims, 5 counting
>the spare, in pretty good shape for about $300. Think thats a good price?

Depends.  If they have all the chrome "eylets", trim rings and caps, and they
dont need to be painted, then I'd say yes.  If they're bare rims and rusty,
I'd pass.

For reference, I paid $25 a wheel for my 15" SSIII's out of a junkyard.  I
already
had all the eylets, but the cost of sand blasting, painting and trim rings
sent the
total cost into the stratosphere. :-)

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:53:17 -0300
Subject: Re: 400 Big Block 

Mike,
I don't know, other than it was a 442 only engine.  Maybe it should read 
"rare" or "hard to find" instead of "very rare".  Sort of sounds like hens 
teeth.  Anyone else have an opinion?

David Brown          OCA #27978         (312) 702-9157
    Check out: www.442.com      www.oldsmobile.com
               FAQ version 2.0 due soon!

- -------------
Hi All,

I was poking around on Bryce's web pages, and in the FAQ info and have noticed
that the words "VERY rare" are next to the 66-67 400 E casting listing.

I would think that this engine is in every 66 - 67 442 - meaning ~ 47,000
units minimum.  I would also guess that the 65 400 (B casting) would be even
rarer.

Could someone shed some light on the rarity of this E casting block for me?

Thanks,
Mike Turley
turley@symplex.com

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 10:33:55 -0300
Subject: Used SS wheels

At 06:38 PM 9/4/96 -0300, you wrote:

>For reference, I paid $25 a wheel for my 15" SSIII's out of a junkyard.  I
>already
>had all the eylets, but the cost of sand blasting, painting and trim rings
>sent the
>total cost into the stratosphere. :-)

Well, I paid $75 for a set of four 15x7 SSIII's at an Orlando junkyard.  Had
then sandblasted for $25, $20 for a pint of body color paint (custom
matched, wow!).  A friend painted them for free, and I got beauty rings for
free.  They had caps and those accent trims on them already (took them off
for sandblasting and painting, duh).  $120 for a nice lookin' set of
SSIII's, not a bad deal.

My brother found five Olds wheels in the woods last year.  Three were 15x7
SSIII's, two were 14x7 SSIII's.  Got rid of the 14x7's, still got the
15x7's.  Anybody interested in the other two (I'm using one for a spare)?
They're rusty, but they have the little accent trims and center caps.  No
trim rings.  Not sure how pitted the center caps are (the wheels are up in
the attic).  If you want 'em, they're yours.  You pay shipping.  I've also
got the original wheel used for the spare in my Olds (14x6, standard steel
rim).  It's not an SS wheel, the car originally had hubcaps (I've still got
'em, too).  If anybody wants that steel rim, just say so!  Speak up now!
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: eric_b_buckner@non-hp-om.cv.hp.com
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 19:54:42 -0300
Subject: Re: 4 on the floor, Toro for sale...was Re: W-43

Item Subject: 4 on the floor, Toro for sale...was Re: W-43
     
Scott,
I'd be very interested in the engine and tranny (455 and TH400). If you do go 
and look at it think you could see if he's willing to part it out? If not I 
guess I could buy the whole thing and drive it back here (if it would make 
it). 
Where are you at?

On a different key...I've got another question...

Is the th400 "short tail" the only tranny that will fit into my '64 or is it 
merely the best choice? 
thanx
Eric B. Buckner
'64 F-85 Deluxe
Albany, OR

______________________________ Reply Separator 
_________________________________
Subject: Re: 4 on the floor, Toro for sale...was Re: W-43
Author:  Non-HP-oldsmobile-owner (oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca) at 
HP-Corvallis,mimegw1
Date:    9/4/96 2:02 PM

     
        On a completly different note, there was an ad in one of the local 
papers for a 66 Toro, "Classic Oldsmobile" for $450.  Thats all it said.  
I tried to get a hold of the guy yesterday, but no luck.  I'll try again 
today, though.  Not that I can really afford another project, but I'd 
still like to see what the guy has.  It's actually located in 
Stevensville, about 25 miles from here.  If it's in any kind of shape at 
all, it's probibly worth it.  I'll give some details when I have them.  
Like I said, I really can't afford another car, but is anybody else 
interested?  
     
     
                        Scott 
                1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98 
     
     

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:00:39 -0300
Subject: RE: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting

At 17:44 09/04/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>>Only watched the first five or ten minutes due to a major
>>urge to fall asleep, but the family car at the start of the film is
>>played by a light blue '71 or '72 Cutlass convertible (round front
>>turn signals, I think it had). 
>
>'71 because the grill is like a checkboard.  My '72 wagon's grill has 
>horizontal strips.
>
>The movie is okay, but a bit cheezy since the kid was conceived in the car...
>
>Roger Borlase
>http://www.microdata.com/rborlase
>
You've got a wagon and think conception in a car is cheezy? Well back in my
day, there was no better place than the back of a wagon!!!

Brad  (0-0||||0-0) '68 CS R/T

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:00:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Used SS wheels

At 13:33 09/06/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>At 06:38 PM 9/4/96 -0300, you wrote:
>
>>For reference, I paid $25 a wheel for my 15" SSIII's out of a junkyard.  I
>>already
>>had all the eylets, but the cost of sand blasting, painting and trim rings
>>sent the
>>total cost into the stratosphere. :-)
>
>Well, I paid $75 for a set of four 15x7 SSIII's at an Orlando junkyard.  
$120 for a nice lookin' set of SSIII's, not a bad deal.
>
It's not an SS wheel, the car originally had hubcaps (I've still got
>'em, too).  If anybody wants that steel rim, just say so!  Speak up now!
>--
>Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
>dpauliso@metrolink.net
>
Dave, What kind of hubcaps do you have? My car has regular wheels right
now,but one of my caps is broken. I could use those for now until I get SS 
rims.
Thanks... Brad  (0-0||||0-0) (==----==) Front and Rear '68

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:01:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Ca. Parts

At 16:37 09/04/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>
>If it was me you were talking about, sorry but I've been up to 
>my ears in meetings. I have the distributor, manifold and various
>other bits to get out of my garage.
>cf
>
What year car are these "bits" from???

Brad '68 CS R/T

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From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:14:31 -0300
Subject: Duals Trans Rod 

Re the tranny rod bowed to clear the exh. pipe on a dual system for 
big cars. Most likely the rod will work on 66 and 67, probably thru
to 1970 when they changed the suspension. Most of the mechanicals
from these years interchange. Finding that rod will be hard though,
it might be easier to fabricate, because they only came on the relatively
rare starfires from 65-66 and dual equipped 88's and 98's from later
years. This equipment is a tough find.
cf

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:20:01 -0300
Subject: RE: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting 

>>The movie is okay, but a bit cheezy since the kid was conceived in the car...
>>
>You've got a wagon and think conception in a car is cheezy? Well back in my
>day, there was no better place than the back of a wagon!!!
>
>Brad  (0-0||||0-0) '68 CS R/T

I'm saying cheezy because I don't think that I could drive a car that I was 
conceived in...  I have no reply for your thoughts on late night station wagon
love making (even if it is Olds).

Roger 	'72 Cutlass Wagon

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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:21:35 -0300
Subject: Melbourne, Florida

I got back from Melbourne Florida (last night).  I only had 300 unread
messages in my mailbox.  You guys are slacking!

I met up with Dave Paulison, who is a real nice fellow, with a real nice
69 Cutlass Supreme (4 door), currently fighting the restoration while
daily driving battle, and a real nice wife.

We talked of things like windshield water pumps, exhaust manifolds,
redline water wetter... and I now know what SSIIIs look like!

- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:27:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting 

In a message dated 96-09-04 14:21:02 EDT, you write:

<< '71 because the grill is like a checkboard.  My '72 wagon's grill has 
 horizontal strips. >>

Uh, try '72?  Supreme convertibles and non-Vista Cruiser wagons have
different grilles.  '72 Supremes have the checkerboard grille, while the '71s
have two rows of really tall, really thin rectangles.  '72 non-VC wagons have
equally sized horizontal strips while the '71s have a grill consisting of a
larger bar, then about 5 thinner bars, then another large one, then 5 more
thinner ones, etc.  We'll forgive your faux paux, it was probably late.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:28:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Fusicks Auto 

In a message dated 96-09-04 14:04:11 EDT, you write:

<< set of SSII (I finally learned the difference!!) rims, 5 counting
 the spare, in pretty good shape for about $300. >>

I have a set of  6 SSIs from a '71 that I'd let go of for that price!

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:29:29 -0300
Subject: Re: New Baby Coming - LSS 

In a message dated 96-09-04 17:31:05 EDT, you write:

<< Anyone have a dealer brochure or fancy promo book for sale for the '94 LSS
or
 88.

Contact my literature source, John Wimble.  Item #13397 1994 Olds 88 LSS
color catalog, $2.50 plus shipping.
 
<< Anyone want to buy a 91 Honda Accord for $8000? >>

Yeah.  Right.  Then there's this bridge in Brooklyn...

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:29:55 -0300
Subject: Re: car show adventures 

In a message dated 96-09-04 16:15:34 EDT, you write:

<< 	Just out of curiousity, what part of the state did it come from?   
>>

Wish I knew.  I didn't get it, my body man got it from one of his regular
sources.  He got a real nice door for his own '57 from these people.

Problem is, he's 2 1/2 hours away from me.  I think he's gonna call me to
have me bring the car out this weekend so he can throw the fender on it.
 I'll find out who these people are and report back.

I'm a little scared about this project.  I've seen the work this guy has done
and it is exceptional, but he got my paint code from me over the phone and is
gonna have the fender painted before I get there (I have the car).  I can't
possibly see how the paint is gonna match right out of the can.  I have
visions of the whole car being turquoise, except for the fender, which will
either be real real green, or real real blue.  Cross your fingers...

Paul

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From: Brad Nicholson <76062.3042@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:39:01 -0300
Subject: CCR Fall Oldsmobile Show - Vienna, VA

Hello Oldsmobilers!!!

I know this came out twice before, but here it is again.  It will be out 1 or 2
more times before the show {Mainly for the newbies on the list}

The Capitol City Rockets Chapter of the Oldsmobile Club of America will be
having our 8th Annual All-Oldsmobile Fall Show on Sunday October 6, 1996 @
Templeton Oldsmobile in Vienna, VA featuring:
  
o  OCA judging w/ awards
o  FREE T-shirt, dash plaque and goodie bag for each entry. (Goodie Bag 
Stuffers
from Mobil 1 Racing, 
                 Fusick Automotive, Edelbrock, The Wax Shop, Olds Parts USA,
Auto Custom Carpets, 
                 Western Auto Parts America, STP, Son of a Gun, JB Weld and
others)
o  Oldies 100 WBIG to supply the tunes.
o  Food vendor for your heart clogging needs with breakfast & lunch
o  Parts Department open w/ discounts on all cash & check purchases
o  Great door prizes to be given away all day. (Prizes from Templeton Olds, K&N
Engineering,
            Auto Custom Carpets, Olds Parts USA, Mothers, Edelbrock and others)

Pre-registration $10 first car, $5 each additional car,  $12 day of show.
PRE-1949 Oldsmobiles & spectators are free !!!!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Gates open @ 9AM, judging starts @ 12PM,  awards as soon as judging is 
completed
(3PM???)

For more info or a registration form, e-mail me.


 ---  
| | |  Brad Nicholson
| | |  1987 442 W-42
|/|\|  1994 88 LSS (soon!!!)
| | |  76062.3042@compuserve.com
 ---

------------------------------

From: Brad Nicholson <76062.3042@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:38:59 -0300
Subject: Capitol City Rockets Meeting - CORRECTION!!!

All,

The next 3 meetings of the Capitol City Rockets in the September issue of
"Rocket Review were incorrect.  They should have been

September 11 @ Davis Library, Montgomery County, MD.  (Last one before the 
show)
October 9    @ Tysons Corner Pizza Hut
November 13 @ Davis Library, Montgomery County MD (ELECTION MEETING - Please
come and vote if you can make it)

The editor messed up with his cut and paste in WordPerfect.  (Me)

Everyone is welcome to attend and check us out.  If you need directions, drop 
me
a line

 ---
| | |  Brad Nicholson
| | |  1987 442
|/|\|  1994 88 LSS (soon!!!)
| | |  President - CCR (thru 12/97)
 ---  76062.3042@compuserve.com

------------------------------

From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:44:20 -0300
Subject: RE: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting 

>You've got a wagon and think conception in a car is cheezy? Well back in my
>day, there was no better place than the back of a wagon!!!

Here's the reply...  On MTV during its show, safer sex, I saw what appeared to 
be an early '70s station wagon.  It was white and had wood grain on the lower 
half.  It kind of looks like Lisa Madesn's.  So perhaps you are correct about 
wagons...  When the moon hits the sky like a big pizza pie, that amore...

The grill on her VC looks like that of the car in "Pie in the Sky."

Roger

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:38:00 -0300
Subject: Re: parts & info wanted, '68 cutlass

Roger Hitson wrote:
> 
> My '68 Cutlass is missing duct work for the defroster and air conditioning.
> I haven't found any in junk yards - theirs are all rotted away, as are mine.
> 
> Since I haven't seen one intact, I don't really know what I need. Does
> anybody have a photo or diagram and/or suggestions for a parts source?
> 
> Any help appreciated.
> 
> Roger Hitson


Roger,

JC Whitney of Chicago sells this kind of thing.  All you need is the 
diameter.  They're probably as cheap as anyone & the quality is as good 
as anyone's on this type of item.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:49:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Speedo Waver (was: Halls Visit -Reply)

Andy Green writes:
>The last cable I bought came with a little packet of grease; it was
>unlabeled but looked a lot like plain white lithium. Basically whatever
>grease you use should be _light_; if it's too thick it will seize the
>core and shear the end, especially in cold weather.

I bet that little pouch was more of a cloudy clear color than white, 
right? If it was, it was silicone gel. Silicone is the best lube for 
cables. Silicone is a safe bet to use but not a sure one, I would not use 
ANY other type of lube as they may eat the thin and delicate PBT or PTFE 
(Teflon) liner.

>While you've got the core out, wipe it clean, then see if it will roll
>flat on a smooth surface. If it's kinked, replace it.

Extremely good words to the wise. If you have a kinked cable, no matter 
how slight, REPLACE IT! It cannot be repaired and kinking is the number 
one failure mode for any cable system in your car.


Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

------------------------------

From: Brad Nicholson <76062.3042@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:39:03 -0300
Subject: GIFs

Please, to keep bandwidth down, OFFER gifs to the group before sending it out.
People may want them on an individual basis.  The "442girl.gif" blew up the
digest to almost 250,000 bytes, up from the normal 50-90,000 bytes.  Accidents
will happen,  this happened in the past one or 2 other times, and it will 
happen
again. 

I'm not flaming the sender of the gif, just constructive 2 cents worth.

Greg - could maybe a mention of not sending GIFs to the newsgroup be put in the
welcome note sent to new subscribers.  Maybe sending out the "rules" every once
in a while to remind people of some of the basics.

I don't want to start a war, I don't submit much anyway so I might be worth
$.002.  

Anyway - Nice GIF. 

If anyone wants an easy decoder, drop me a line and I'll send it out
individually to requesters

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
|/|\| 1994 88 LSS (soon)
| | |  76062.3042@compuserve.com
 --- 

------------------------------

From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:49:16 -0300
Subject: Re: HEI Nightmare!

Blaine Sanders writes:
>Two weeks ago, I acquired an HEI distributor out of '79 Cutlass 350. 
>Installing it has been a total nightmare!  What should have been a leisurely
>2 hour job has turned into a week and a half.  And it's still not right!  We
>finally got the distributor in the right way and it fired right up.  Ooh, 
>it idled
>a lot smoother than it used to.  I thought everything was perfect, till I
>went for a drive.  When I eased into the gas, the higher the RPM's, the
>worse it got.  At about 3000 RPM's, it sounded like a helicopter.  From
>stand-still, punching the gas used to smoke the tires through second
>gear.  Now it has less power than my 4 cylinder truck.  Top speed is
>now 65 MPH!  Speed and power have both been cut in half.  I replaced
>the wires with Accel 8mm wires and put in new plugs gapped at .060. 
>What the h*ll is the problem???  All I can think of is the plugs.  Should I
>reduce the gap?  I thought HEI was supposed to be better!  I'm so
>disgusted with it so far that I'm ready to switch back.  Any suggestions
>would be appreciated...

I had the same exact thing happen to me! I pulled off the cap 
disassembled the few odds and ends that are in there, put it back 
together and...... fixed.....!

That wasn't much help but I figured the weights somehow got stuck.


Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:53:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Used SS wheels 

In a message dated 96-09-04 20:07:01 EDT, you write:

<< (==----==) Rear '68 >>

I don't know, that front end thing was pretty nifty, but that rear end thing
sure does look like a '67 GTO!!!

Paul

------------------------------

From: Katana72@aol.com
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:55:50 -0300
Subject: Re: FW: Body Repair Work Questions 

I have seen Q-panel patch panels for cutlasses around, but gotta find the
book.
will advise when i find it.

------------------------------

From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 13:17:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Used SS wheels

At 09:00 PM 9/4/96 -0300, you wrote:

>Dave, What kind of hubcaps do you have? My car has regular wheels right
>now,but one of my caps is broken. I could use those for now until I get SS
rims.
>Thanks... Brad  (0-0||||0-0) (==----==) Front and Rear '68

Well, they're for 14 inch rims.  The center has about a three or four inch
circle with the Olds Rocket emblem in the middle; the emblem is almost as
tall as the circle.  Around the outside edge if the hubcap are some "ribs"
(for lack of a better term).  They're spaced about one inch apart around the
entire outside diameter of the hubcap.  That's the best I can describe them.
Maybe I'll take a photo, get it scanned, and send it to you.

Hadn't planned on getting rid of them.  Even though I'll probably never put
them on the car again (got those SSIII's now), I'd like to keep 'em.
They've got sentimental value, I guess.  But you know, money talks...  ;-)
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

------------------------------

From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:00:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Speedo Waver (was: Halls Visit -Reply)

Blaine Sanders writes:
>I
>believe there is a special kind of cable lube you should use instead of
>molly grease.  Anyone?

Use silicone, gel or the runny stuff... I would use gel for a speedo 
cable.


Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 16:57:47 -0300
Subject: Re: '70 442 (was: New Toro..Not)

Todd Hall wrote:
> 
> Checked out the 442 last night:
> 
> I pulled in the drive and saw W-30 emblems and got real excited. However,
> after checking the engine compartment I found black wheel wells and "E"
> heads....
> 
> I think $6500 is a little high, am I wrong? I was thinking about offering
> around $5800 and hope he bites, but I don't think the price is very 
negotiable.
> 
> 
> J. Todd Hall
>
> 
>
>Todd,
 
Of course, this car is sounding like an okay car & I haven't looked for 
one of late, but $6500 is stiff for such a car.  'Old Cars Price Guide' 
shows a class 3 car at $7200.  That's assuming that what we have here is 
complete & stock.  I'd worry about the engine.  The rust isn't too bad, 
but I wouldn't like it.

A class 4 car is listed at $3600.  This doesn't sound like a class 4 
car, but not a 3 either.  I'd be worried about having $4 or $5 grand in 
the car.

Bill Culp
Deatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:09:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Year One request

jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com wrote:
> 
> Anyone,
> I am a new subscriber, and I have a '68 Cutlass Supreme, and a '69 Cutlass
> Convertible that I am completely restoring. 
> 
> ps.  I posted an article I wrote about a couple recent trips to Halls
> Salvage.  Does anyone know if it was posted?
> 
> Thank you much,
> 
> Jeff Zeilmann
>  ----------


Jeff,

Got it; liked it; saved it.  Nice writing.  I'll have to go there 
sometime.

I have a 1968 442 convertible.  Congradualtions on such a nice set of 
cars & welcome to the list.
 
Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:19:24 -0300
Subject: Re: 1976 Cutlass S

[snip]
> sacrificed its frame to save her (what a tank!).

Damn, that's a rude way to talk about your mom.

;) 

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:20:55 -0300
Subject: Re: HEI Nightmare! -Final Reply 

Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:

> 
> Aren't people funny?  Some people are so set in their ways that they
> refuse to see the light, even after they've been blinded by it.  Or at least,
> refuse to *admit* they've seen the light...
> 
> -Blaine


Blaine,

I still don't think that this proves anything.  You just got lucky.

I kinda feel sorry for the old guy.  You should quit pickin' on him.  
You should also consider fixing your own car.  What do you have to lose?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:28:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Ram Rod 350

John Harris wrote:
> 
> What years were ram rod 350s produced?
> 
> JMH 69 442

John,

The one called Ram Rod 350 was in 1968.  1969 saw the same thing 
w/another name.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:32:21 -0300
Subject: RE: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting 

At 08:20 PM 9/4/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>You've got a wagon and think conception in a car is cheezy? Well back in my
>>day, there was no better place than the back of a wagon!!!
>>
>>Brad  (0-0||||0-0) '68 CS R/T
>
>I'm saying cheezy because I don't think that I could drive a car that I was 
>conceived in...  I have no reply for your thoughts on late night station wagon
>love making (even if it is Olds).
>
>Roger 	'72 Cutlass Wagon

Hmmm, I'm saving my Electra for my 2-year old Daughter, since it was the car
she was _born_ in! Do you think she'll mind???

Oh, and the '72 Vista I parted out had the checkerboard grille.

And Brad, *what* is a Cutlass Supreme "R/T"?

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Landau Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 22:35:10 -0300
Subject: Re: 1976 Cutlass S 

At 09:19 PM 9/4/96 -0400, you wrote:
>[snip]
>> sacrificed its frame to save her (what a tank!).
>
>Damn, that's a rude way to talk about your mom.
>
>;) 

Boy, this list is just _Comedy Central_, isn't it...

:)

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Landau Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 17:46:44 -0300
Subject: Re: New OCA Chapter Forming: Baltimore, MD

Brad Nicholson wrote:
> 
> Bill Culp Replied
> >I believe that I like Chesapeake Bay rockets as well as any.  Nothing
> >original to me comes to mind.
> >
> >Good luck w/the club.  Those things are real work.  Expect several
> >years of dedication & plenty of me too's, but little help.
> 
> If you like the name so much, how 'bout joining.  It'll only be about a 10-12
> hour commute to meetings (hee, hee heee) ;^)
> 
> Seriously though, anyone is welcome to join up and help get this puppy 
running.
> 
> 
>
>Brad Nicholson
>  


Brad,

If I'm a little late, will you hold up the meeting?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:05:19 -0300
Subject: RE: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting 

>Hmmm, I'm saving my Electra for my 2-year old Daughter, since it was the car
>she was _born_ in! Do you think she'll mind???

Nah...

Roger Borlase

------------------------------

From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 23:13:01 -0300
Subject: RE: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting

> >Hmmm, I'm saving my Electra for my 2-year old Daughter, since it was the car
> >she was _born_ in! Do you think she'll mind???

Uh?  Isn't that like a Buick or something?

- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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7887 17 Mile Rd #259       |
Sterling Hts., MI 48313    | Recidite, plebes! Gero rem Imperialem!
W (810) 825-5450           | Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris.
H (810) 268-0600 x259      |  

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From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:10:06 -0300
Subject: change of address....

please subscribe me at this account.
(the resto guy)

- --joe ferrero

------------------------------

From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:19:25 -0300
Subject: RE: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting

At 01:32 09/05/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>At 08:20 PM 9/4/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>>You've got a wagon and think conception in a car is cheezy? Well back in my
>>>day, there was no better place than the back of a wagon!!!
>>>
>>>Brad  (0-0||||0-0) '68 CS R/T
>>
>>I'm saying cheezy because I don't think that I could drive a car that I was 
>>conceived in...  I have no reply for your thoughts on late night station 
wagon
>>love making (even if it is Olds).
>>
>>Roger 	'72 Cutlass Wagon
>
>Hmmm, I'm saving my Electra for my 2-year old Daughter, since it was the car
>she was _born_ in! Do you think she'll mind???
>
>Oh, and the '72 Vista I parted out had the checkerboard grille.
>
>And Brad, *what* is a Cutlass Supreme "R/T"?
>
>-----------
>- Bob Barry
>- 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
>- 1978 Electra Limited Landau Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)
>
Sorry Bob, but that means Rag Top.At least right now until I can get the old
top replaced. Just hope it dosen't rain.....

Brad '68 Cutlass S Convertible

------------------------------

From: JJF97@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:24:05 -0300
Subject: change of address....

please unsubscribe me on this address. thanks. new address coming.
- --joe ferrero

------------------------------

From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 01:03:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Used SS wheels 

In a message dated 96-09-04 18:18:59 EDT, you write:

<< Anybody interested in the other two (I'm using one for a spare)?
 They're rusty, but they have the little accent trims and center caps.  No
 trim rings.  Not sure how pitted the center caps are (the wheels are up in
 the attic).  If you want 'em, they're yours.  You pay shipping.  I've also
 got the original wheel used for the spare in my Olds (14x6, standard steel
>>

if the one rim is a 15x7 with a bolt on cap instead of pop on,
I would gladly take the rim.  I do need just one rim to complete
my set.  I have six rims, 2 regular tires, 2 racing tires, 1 spare and
just one extra rim. I need the one extra rim to put on 2 regular tires to
drive around town on.   Thanks

W Machines  just call me collect 313 336 8135 and we will make
arrangements unless you already gave the rim away

thanks again  W MACHINES

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 07:16:29 -0300
Subject: Re: GIFs

On Wed, 4 Sep 1996, Brad Nicholson wrote:
> Greg - could maybe a mention of not sending GIFs to the newsgroup be put in 
the
> welcome note sent to new subscribers.  Maybe sending out the "rules" every 
once
> in a while to remind people of some of the basics.

Well, that statement has *always* been in there. Just like how to 
subscribe and unsubscribe, which not many people seem to grasp <sigh>... 
and you'll remember I just sent out the message containing all this stuff 
a couple of weeks ago. Not much you can do if people don't pay attention 
to it...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 12:56:00 -0300
Subject: Re: 1976 Cutlass S

Robert J. Barry wrote:
> 
> Boy, this list is just _Comedy Central_, isn't it...

Not anymore...

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 09:54:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Speedo Waver (was: Halls Visit -Reply) 

>>The last cable I bought came with a little packet of grease; it was
>>unlabeled but looked a lot like plain white lithium. [...]
>
>I bet that little pouch was more of a cloudy clear color than white, 
>right? If it was, it was silicone gel.

Ayup. That makes more sense.

I once grabbed the nearest can of grease, which turned out to be wheel
bearing goop, and tried to do a cable with that. Biiiig mistake. First
clue came when I tried to get the core more than halfway into the casing.
Duh. Yanked it out, wiped it as clean as I could and went off in search
of the little packet that came with the core, which of course I'd thrown
out with the box... disaster averted after rummaging through the Dumpster.

>>While you've got the core out, wipe it clean, then see if it will roll
>>flat on a smooth surface. If it's kinked, replace it.
>
>Extremely good words to the wise.

Thanks, but I was quoting... (wait for it)... a Ford manual.  ;-)

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 10:03:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Used SS wheels 

>Well, they're for 14 inch rims.  The center has about a three or four inch
>circle with the Olds Rocket emblem in the middle; the emblem is almost as
>tall as the circle.  Around the outside edge if the hubcap are some "ribs"
>(for lack of a better term).  They're spaced about one inch apart around the
>entire outside diameter of the hubcap.  That's the best I can describe them.
>Maybe I'll take a photo, get it scanned, and send it to you.

Assuming you're really referring to a wheel cover and not a hubcap, this
description seems to fit Hollander #4015. Does each of the one-inch ribs
have about six mini-fins in between? Has it got "O L D S M O B I L E"
twice around the perimeter?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Dave Wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:35:28 -0300
Subject: Oldsmobile anniversary

Does anyone know the date for the OCA meet/100th anniversary in Lansing?  I 
would
like to attend with my 70 4-4-2 but I need to get it ready in time.
Dave Wyatt  70 4-4-2  since October 1973

------------------------------

From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:39:45 -0300
Subject: New Addition to the Family (Not an Olds though)

I sent this a coupla days ago, didn't see it appear on the list -- my apologies
if this turns out to be a repeat:

This past Sunday -- my wife's birthday, FWIW -- we became the proud new owners
of a 1989 Cadillac Fleetwood.  From me Grand Dad who is currently tooling
around in a '96 Concours.  Sweet car.  50K on the clock, loaded.  Front wheel
drive (good for our New England winters), and a sweet li'l 4.5L fuel injected
V8 to motivate it.  I took it to get a trailer hitch put on Monday, the guy
thought it was brandy-new.

Unfortunately, my .sig file has been inaccurate.  Da Boss preferred to keep
the Mazda, so this Fleetwood replaces Big Blue, which is now owned by my
sister and bro-in-law, the Jedi Master Goodwrench at one of the local Olds
dealerships.  Well, my wife can drive the Mazda if'n she wants, I'll 'make do'
with Big Red and the Fleetwood :)

We have yet to nickname the Fleetwood -- suggestions, anyone? -- but my 2 y.o.
twins call it 'The Gold Car', though the original sticker calls it "Antelope
Firemist" -- ugh!  And according to the sticker, *that* was a $285 option!

Well, it may not be an Olds, but it's a nice ride... and buying a car that
originally cost $34K 7 years and 50K miles ago for $3K, well... :)



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, nickname yet to be determined
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'Really, *Really*, The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 11:52:18 -0300
Subject: National Muscle Car Association Meet 

That's right boys, time to belly up to the table and show the 
other makes what Oldsmobile has to offer.  This weekend
on Sept 7th and 8th Norwalk Dragway will have the NMCA
meet that incorporates racing and car showing.  Its Olds
against all others.  I will be their with 7 other fellow Olds
racers.  IF you want more details,  just ask I invite all of 
you to participate




W MACHINES 72 442 W-30 RACE ROCKET

------------------------------

From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:24:07 -0300
Subject: Re: '70 442 (was: New Toro..Not)

Todd Hall wrote:
> 
> Checked out the 442 last night:
>....> 
> I think $6500 is a little high, am I wrong? I was thinking about offering
> around $5800 and hope he bites, but I don't think the price is very 
negotiable.
> 
> 

Todd,
	I tjink the price is too much. The fact that it has w-30 emblems and 
not the correct 
engine parts tells me that either it a wannabe W-30 car (fake) or that it was 
infact a W-30 car 
at one time and parted out through the years, in which case too bad it's not a 
W-30 anymore. 
Alot $$ need to get into that class again, for the buyer that is. Anyway, I 
would offer no more 
than 5000 and that's pushing it.
- -- 
Regards
Fernando Proietto

------------------------------

From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Wed, 4 Sep 1996 21:53:12 -0300
Subject: Olds  Parts

Speaking of parts I just cleaned out my garage and had to throw away a bunch 
of 
70-72 Cutlass parts. These were of no use to me so I just tossed them. I can 
still get them if anyone it interested but only seriously. Here's the list:

- - complete front drum set ups including the spindles and drum. Real heavy

- - two rear bumpers, one bent but no holes and one too rotted

- - two TH350 trannies one w/ a cracked case but rebuilt inerds, the other 
reversed

These are the big parts, and whole bunch of small rusted engine pieces. As for 
the parts I kept:

- - set of #7 heads
- - 2 2-BBL carbs and 1 2-bbl intake
- - points distributor missing parts
- - set of pistons from a 72 350 
- - set of valve springs from a '72 350 with the rotators
- - 2 sets of xhaust manifolds, one from a 72 350 2-bbl and one from a 71 350 
4 bbl 
with the correct block off plate.
- - 1 brand new engine mount
- - a couple of thermostat necks, 1 is aluminum, don't know why the other steel
- - bunch of small upper engine parts above the intake...

If interested just drop me a line.

- -- 
Regards
Fernando Proietto

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:42:36 -0300
Subject: Montana Parts...was Re: car show adventures

> 
> << 	Just out of curiousity, what part of the state did it come 
from?   >>
> 
> Wish I knew.  I didn't get it, my body man got it from one of his regular
> sources.  He got a real nice door for his own '57 from these people.
> 
> Problem is, he's 2 1/2 hours away from me.  I think he's gonna call me to
> have me bring the car out this weekend so he can throw the fender on it.

	Sounds good.  I'm always looking for parts for my '60 or my '83 
Chubby, and it seems like all I ever hear is "Nope, don't have anything 
as old as that 60.  Don't have too much newer than 82 either."  Great.  
I'll check back when I pick up that 77 Newport I've always wanted 8).

>  I'll find out who these people are and report back.
> 
> I'm a little scared about this project.  I've seen the work this guy has done
> and it is exceptional, but he got my paint code from me over the phone and is
> gonna have the fender painted before I get there (I have the car).  I can't
> possibly see how the paint is gonna match right out of the can.  I have
> visions of the whole car being turquoise, except for the fender, which will
> either be real real green, or real real blue.  Cross your fingers...
> 

	Hmmm.  That is kind of weird.  It seems like they would have to 
blend it to the car, since paint has a tendendcy to fade a little over 
the years.  Oh well.  Good luck either way.  Hope it's a good match!

	
				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 13:55:43 -0300
Subject: Re: 4 on the floor, Toro for sale...was Re: W-43

> Scott,
> I'd be very interested in the engine and tranny (455 and TH400). If you do 
go 
> and look at it think you could see if he's willing to part it out? If not I 
> guess I could buy the whole thing and drive it back here (if it would make 
it). 
> Where are you at?

	Called the guy last night, and got the bad news.  He sold it the 
night before!  Rats.  I guess you have to go for these things right away, 
since at that price, they're bound to go quick.  Sorry.

	*But*, if you or anybody else is looking for an early Toro engine, I 
know of one in a junkyard over in CdA, Idaho.  It's a 68, which should 
mean (unless things were changed on it) big valve C heads, topping a 
455!  Last time I saw it, it was pretty much complete (still in the car), 
minus the carb. The rest of the car was in pretty poor shape, and large 
chunks of bondo were coming off.  I hope to get over that way before too 
long, so if anybody is interested, I'll take a look.  I can also call for 
a price.  This is yet another "I would buy it if I had the money, and a 
car to use it in" kind of deals for me.

			
	
				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:58:49 -0300
Subject: Buick/Olds (was RE: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting) 

At 10:13 PM 9/4/96 -0400, you wrote:
>> >Hmmm, I'm saving my Electra for my 2-year old Daughter, since it was the 
car
>> >she was _born_ in! Do you think she'll mind???
>
>Uh?  Isn't that like a Buick or something?

Well, it's a Buick body with the soul of an Olds (403 small-block bored .030
over), which is what really counts anyway...

There's a number of list members who are also partial to Buicks in addition
to their Olds; with my car, I've got the best of both worlds. :)

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From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 00:13:25 -0300
Subject: Re: HEI Nightmare! -Final Reply 

Blaine,
	I don't know what your relationship to this mechanic is but do 
yourself a favour 
and drop this loser. That last thing you need is someone to do as he pleases 
on your 
property and to take your money to boot. I really hope he doesn't screw your 
car up one 
day.
- -- 
Regards
Fernando Proietto

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From: John Harris <John.Harris@rttc.redstone.army.mil>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:24:16 -0300
Subject: BOP Drag Race

Folks

I was talking to a local Buick fan and he reminded me tht there is
supposed to be a Olds, Buick, Pontiac gathering over at the Atlanta
dragstrip (Commerce GA) on Sept 14 and 15.  I am going to be out of town
on travel or I would go over and watch.  You folks in the Atlanta area
might want to double check on the dates and go see what is up there.

The guy here in Huntsville, AL has a nice 1970 Buick GS and runs about
6.90 to 7.00 in the 1/8 mile.  

John M Harris
69 442

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From: tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:24:14 -0300
Subject: a color for Tiny

Suggestions received so far on a color for Tiny 
(Tiny is a '69 Olds 98 Convertible with a black interior and top)


> Can I suggest a good medium to navy blue
> or target red like my 66 with a black top/interior.

I've thought about blue off and on, but I have yet to see a shade
of blue that goes well with the black interior and top.  The only
blue convertibles I've seen lately (well, since I started looking
for a color) have had blue or white tops.  I keep thinking that 
with the right shade of blue this would work, but I can't find
an example anywhere.  If you can point me to one I'd appriceate it.
Maybe a new car I could find on the lot in Dallas or a photograph
somewhere or ??? 

As for the red, it's sort of our "last resort" color.  I'd like to
stay away from reds because I think they're reserved for flashey
sports cars, and the 98 is more of a cruiser than a sports car.
Also, we've got a dark red on there now so we've sort of already
done that color. :)  


> Is there a richer looking color than black?  The chrome that is so 
> tastefully done on that 98 would just gleam.  The white stripe tires 
> would just set it off.  

The only problem I have with the black is that we're in Texas
and black gets <blank> hot under Texas sun.  The car is going to be
a dialy driver so keeping it out of the sun really isn't an option.
I might yet decide to just do this anyway and burn my tush every 
time I sit down in the car 6 (or myabe 8) months out of the year.  

I already know it would look great.  There was a black '69 Olds 98 
convertible with a red interior for sale here in Dallas about a year
ago (don't know what happened to it).  I really wanted to buy it
but just don't have the room to store TWO of those beasts... at least
not yet.  One of these days I'm going to buy myself a nice garage with
a small house attached on one side :).  


> I'll put in a vote for dark green, and this has nothing to do with my
> name. A nice rich shade of dark green, either solid or a fine-grained
> metallic, would look nice, IMHO. The dark shade would add to the massive
> look of the car but would avoid hiding details of the body that might be
> lost in a solid black color. You also get to cash in on the last days of
> the recent craze for dark green paint.

I'd always thought that dark green was reserved for little 2-seaters
with tan leather interiors, but the more I think about it the more
I think it might work.  There's a Taurus SHO around here that's got
a dark green paint job that looks really good.  The Taurus isn't Tiny's
size, but it's about as big as they come these days.  Can anyone think
of a specific dark green that would look "correct"? (ie it might 
possibly have come from the factory painted that color)  This isn't 
my #1 priority but I don't what people to look at the car and see
something modern.  They should see a classic.


- - Travis and the 69 olds 98 convertible aka "Tiny"

- --
Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

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From: "ROB MALLAND" <storm442@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:41:01 -0300 
Subject: YearOne Catalog Requests

Hi! just got done e-mailing YearOne--Got a really fast response from them on a
catalog request.
The e-mail address posted yesterday was incorrect(Yearone@at1.com0
I tried the other one: info@yearone.com  and it worked perfectly.

David, from YearOne, responded using the address of: Yearone@at1.mindspring.com
  So either one should work (the catalog was FREE too)

I'll see if I can get this '73-442 together now !



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From: Blair Rendell <brendell@pi.pro.ec>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:35:38 -0300
Subject: Re: '70 442 (was: New Toro..Not) 

At 09:24 PM 9/4/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Todd Hall wrote:
>> 
>> Checked out the 442 last night:
>>....> 
>> I think $6500 is a little high, am I wrong? I was thinking about offering
>> around $5800 and hope he bites, but I don't think the price is very
negotiable.
>> 
>> 
>
>Todd,
>	I tjink the price is too much. The fact that it has w-30 emblems and 
not
the correct 
>engine parts tells me that either it a wannabe W-30 car (fake) or that it
was infact a W-30 car 
>at one time and parted out through the years, in which case too bad it's
not a W-30 anymore. 
>Alot $$ need to get into that class again, for the buyer that is. Anyway, I
would offer no more 
>than 5000 and that's pushing it.
>-- 
>Regards
>Fernando Proietto
>
>
>I Agree...! Get Old Car Auto Trader and price compare...of latest edition
of Hemmings...that will give you good idea of price range...Blair 71 442 w30
Conv.

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 14:38:55 -0300
Subject: Re: a color for Tiny 

>Can anyone think
>of a specific dark green that would look "correct"? (ie it might 
>possibly have come from the factory painted that color)  This isn't 
>my #1 priority but I don't what people to look at the car and see
>something modern.  They should see a classic.

I'm pretty sure there _was_ a dark green offered in those years.
Seems to me I've seen dark green Olds of that vintage. Have you
looked up the color options for that year yet?

Aside from that... I don't know about you, but I find it pretty easy
to spot a car painted in some non-original color. It just doesn't
look right somehow.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Steven Larry Cannon <slcannon@uncc.edu>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 15:48:39 -0300
Subject: '86 442

I have an '86 Cutlass 442 that I bought last winter.  I was subscribed to this 
server before, but I'm at school and had to close my account for the summer. 
	I got my car for a low price, even though it has only 58,000 miles on 
it, because it had been ran hard.  I knew this when I bought it and have since 
rebuilt the transmission and rearend.  It is completely stock other than the 
stereo.  I was wondering if someone could answer a question I have.  The car 
has a slight vibration in it around 55 to 65 mph and then seems to disappear.  
I have checked the balance of the wheels, installed new tires, checked 
u-joints, etc.  I have also rebuilt the rearend (bearings were burnt up) and 
rebuilt the transmission (torque converter shot and planetary gear missing a 
spacer and burnt).  I have no clue what else could be wrong.  Other than the 
vibration the car is like brand new and has all the options available.  It 
does't seem to affect the way the car runs its just annoying. Any help would 
be appreciated.

Thanks for your time,

Steve Cannon

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:17:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Buick/Olds (was RE: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting)

I have to say I am partial to Buick. I just got a 74 Riveria Stage 1 455 for
winter use and my dream car is an 86 or 87 Buick Grand National. We even
have a family 86 Buick Electra station wagon that is Olds 307 powered.

>There's a number of list members who are also partial to Buicks in addition
>to their Olds; with my car, I've got the best of both worlds. :)
>
>
>
>
__________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1988 IROC Z/28...............salvage yard special
1980  4-4-2 W-30.............1 of  886       OCA#027572
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25...1 of 2535  H/OCA#0278A
Just what the doctor ordered....those awesome W-Machines.

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From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:21:28 -0300
Subject: Back home again! 

 
Long Posting! Good story.
 
About a month ago I posted a message relating my attempt to re-purchase
my first car, a 1966 442 which I originally bought in 1982, and owned
for 6 years.
 
Here's how it went . . . My family and I were vacationing in Northern
Michigan and came across a '66 442 for sale between Buckley and Mesick
MI.  (Same car described by Chris Witt last month) Well they wanted $9500
for this car, and I commented "If that's worth $9500, my old one was a $15K
car."  This got us to talking about the old car.  (We have been married
11 years, but took this car on our first date.)  Well, I left my wife and
kids up north and went back to work (Ann Arbor) for a couple of days.  Went
home one night and went through the files and found the phone# of the
guy I sold the 442 to.
 
We talked about 45 minutes (real car guy), but he had sold the car in '92.
He couldn't remember the man's name, but could remember the part of town
he lived in.  I searched all afternoon one day until I found this guy.  I
had no idea that the car would be for sale, I just thought it would be cool
to show it to my wife and kids.
 
Well the car looked even better than than I remembered, some engine detail
and some upholstry (sp?) work, etc.  Also the rims and tires were new,
SSI's and Radial TA's were on it.  The original rims and the wires with
the simulated "knock-offs" were there, too!  Way cool with the SSI's, BTW!
Unfortunately, this man knew its worth, and I could not hide my enthusiasm.
 
Well, I buy the car for $10500.  My wife says "Great!"  Don't you love that.
It has been sitting in the garage for a week now.  Now I must resist the
temptation to sign my E-Mail "The 66 442 and Mike".
 
Some of the important details:
 
1966 442 Holiday Coupe
Air Conditioning
Jetaway 2-Speed Auto.
Optional rear speaker.
Paint code DD - light blue.
Light blue interior, white vinyl top.
All original dealership selling papers. (Original price $4,442.20 - cool)
 
Original everything!! Except tires, seat covers and paint.  Originally a
Texas car.  No rust or dings EVER.  Still have 1 set of keys on original
dealer ring with center punches still intact (never used?)
 
I can't wait to see you all in Lansing next summer.  I have very much
enjoyed listening to your conversations, and have learned much in the
past month.
 
 
Thanks,             '66 442
Mike Turley         turley@symplex.com

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 16:29:58 -0300
Subject: Re: '86 442

I had a similar problem with my Z/28 and it turned out that my right front
wheel was slightly bent. I got my vibration in and around 40-50 and it went
away above 55 or so.

At 03:48 PM 9/5/96 -0300, Steven Larry Cannon wrote:
>I have an '86 Cutlass 442 that I bought last winter.  I was subscribed to
this server before, but I'm at 
________________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
Grad Student in Sports Administration at Kent State University
1988 Iroc Z/28	1974 Buick Riveria Stage I 455
1980 4-4-2 W-30	1975 Hurst/Olds W-25
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