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oldsmobile-digest         Monday, 9 September 1996      Volume 01 : Number 294


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From: "Wright, Thomas CDT " <x02311@exmail.usma.army.mil>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 18:27:08 -0300
Subject: RE: Buick/Olds 

I have to agree with you on that one.  Its hard to beat a big olds for
comfort when cruising.  All I had was a two door hardtop 66 dynamic 88
and I could 5 or 6 people in there comfortably.  And don't even get me
started on the benefits of the backseat in that car.  Even then it still
had enough power to light up the rear tires.  I like to see that done in
a mustang.  

Tom Wright 66 Dynamic 88 "The Beast"  
>

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From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 18:30:19 -0300
Subject: RE: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

>
>>I have been subscribing for a week or so and I don't seem to run into much
talk
>>about the bigger beasts. namely the Ninety Eights. Am I the only one out
>>there with a love for the big comfortable road hogs? 
>
>>71 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight LS
>>71 Cadillac Coupe Deville
>>72 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency
>
>sounds like the start of a good collection....how big is your barn?    :)
>
>I've got a '72 98 myself, except mine has a personality all her own   
>
>;)
>
>Tell me more about your 72 is it a LS 2/4 door? also finally got around to
updating the signature with cars owned, no barn just lots of cars stored around
town
>
>
>
>Dan Dale daleds@okra.millsaps.edu http://www.millsaps.edu/~daleds/index.html 
>cars: 1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 1973  
>Imperial LeBaron, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X, 1955 Cadillac Seville, 1969  
>Cadillac DeVille Convertibles (2), 1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham
>1961 Imperial Custom, 1973 Buick Riviera                                     
>
Chuck Noppe 

Oldsnut @ westworld.com

66 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
67 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
68 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
71 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight LS
71 Cadillac Coupe Deville
72 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency
72 Oldsmobile Toronado Brougham
92 Mercury Grand Marquis

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 18:35:58 -0300
Subject: Die Cast Models

Has anyone seen the rumored die cast replica 69 442 Conv and 69 H/O that were 
to be released this past summer

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 18:34:08 -0300
Subject: RE: Buick/Olds 

You wrote:

Ah well here's the thing.  It's a bit like comparing apples to oranges, 
trying to compare a 460 Mustang with an Olds full-frame car with a 455.  
Built to a street spec you wouldn't find much difference in power. Going 
racing on stock 460 heads is kind of like going racing on stock 455 
heads.  They'll get you so far but then that's it.  Then we move up to 
aluminum heads, which for a 460 means about a grand and for an olds means 
about four or five grand.  Then we go and deal with problems and 
solutions in the bottom end to support a racing head.  Then we decide to 
move on to an aftermarket block, etc,etc, at which point marque means 
little.  So a statement such as my 460 Ford can take on any of your 
Oldsmobiles is something someone who really didnt do a lot of thinking 
about racing would make.  Otherwise he would see the futility of such 
messages since the Oldsmobile marque covers corporate racing engines such 
as the GM Rocket block and the Olds DRCE, and the Ford marque covers all 
kinds of Motorsport engines.  These engines are designed to be 
specifically competitive with each other so....the marque point is moot.  
What is the point of using a aluminum headed, race prepped 460 in a 
Mustang to go after mostly stock 455's in midsize cars?



Yeah Paul , but can you take him or what?

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From: Daniel Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 18:39:46 -0300
Subject: RE: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

>Tell me more about your 72 is it a LS 2/4 door? also finally got around to
>updating the signature with cars owned, no barn just lots of cars stored 
around
>town

mine is a base model 5 door.   ;)



Dan Dale daleds@okra.millsaps.edu http://www.millsaps.edu/~daleds/index.html 
cars: 1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 1973  
Imperial LeBaron, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X, 1955 Cadillac Seville, 1969  
Cadillac DeVille Convertibles (2), 1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham
1961 Imperial Custom, 1973 Buick Riviera                                     

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From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 18:45:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Qjet Choke Question, maybe more...

> warm and when I restarted it, sure enough it would barely idle. I had the
> air cleaner off and began to play with the choke linkage. Imagine my
> surprise when I discovered that if I fed it a little choke, the idle
> smoothed right out and the speed immediately went back to normal. When I
> released the linkage, back to the slow, rough idle. 

This indicates that the A/F mixture is too lean.  Closing the choke valve 
partially, or using your hand to cover the primaries creates a depression
which causes the primary discharge nozzles to add extra fuel to the
mixture.  You mentioned that the car was warm when this was done; how long
was it sitting after being parked?  What makes you suspect leaky well
plugs?  If the float bowl emptied while parked and caused a rich stumble
upon restart, making the mixture richer by closing the choke valve would
hardly improve matters! :)  Perhaps there's a vacuum leak somewhere.  Check
the fuel pump volume and pressure, since a low fuel bowl level will cause 
lean operation.

> the way you adjust it is to bend the rod. So I played with that a little, 
> but there wasn't enough adjustment there to make much of a difference. 
> There is another rod that attached to the lever that is attached to the 
> choke plate and I could bend that a little to sort of "preload" a little 
> choke into the system all the time. I drove the car like that last night 
> and it was better than previously on a restart. But today after sitting 
> all night it didn't want to start and idle when cold because it had too 
> much choke when cold, so I set it back to where it was. 

Too much choke coil tension should either keep the choke on too long,
or prevent the choke from coming off competely.  Is the primary vacuum
break operational and adjusted correctly?  Remember that when adjustments
are made to the choke rod (the one closest to the choke valve), it also
affects vacuum break adjustment.

Kevin Wong

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Sep 1996 10:14:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Die Cast Models

At 06:35 PM 9/8/96 -0300, you wrote:
>
>Has anyone seen the rumored die cast replica 69 442 Conv and 69 H/O that
were to be released this past summer

Do you have any idea who was supposed to make it??  I assume it was one of
those 1:24 scale die cast replicas.  I think Revell makes 'em, and a company
called Maisto (or something like that).  Probably a couple other
manufacturers of those kind of cars as well.  
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:06:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Qjet Choke Question, maybe more...

On Sun, 8 Sep 1996, Kevin Wong wrote:
> You mentioned that the car was warm when this was done; how long
> was it sitting after being parked?  What makes you suspect leaky well
> plugs?  If the float bowl emptied while parked and caused a rich stumble
> upon restart, making the mixture richer by closing the choke valve would
> hardly improve matters! :)  Perhaps there's a vacuum leak somewhere.  Check
> the fuel pump volume and pressure, since a low fuel bowl level will cause 
> lean operation.

It only needs to sit for 10-15 minutes to flood on a restart. Yesterday 
it was sitting for an hour or so when I started to fool with it. The 
flooding makes me suspect well plugs; carb is a rebuilt one just 
installed a couple of months ago and has done it since installation. 
After a long run the idle is fine, but after a few minutes the idle 
roughens. Rich-smelling exhaust too. We discussed this here a while back. 
I agree, it doesn't make sense to me that it should need choke if it's 
running rich. That's why it's a bit of a mystery.

We did extensive testing for vac leaks at the time of the switchover, 
none found. And no indication of a fuel pump problem; the thing will run 
flat-out without a stumble.
 
> Too much choke coil tension should either keep the choke on too long,
> or prevent the choke from coming off competely.  Is the primary vacuum
> break operational and adjusted correctly?  Remember that when adjustments
> are made to the choke rod (the one closest to the choke valve), it also
> affects vacuum break adjustment.

I'm not sure I fully understand you here, but the choke works fine when 
starting from cold, i.e. it sets with one pump, car starts right away, 
you can kick it down, and it comes off the way it's supposed to so that 
when the engine is warm the choke plate is wide open. So I don't think 
it's that...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:14:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Die Cast Models

Ertl is making the 69 Hurst Olds model. They were supposed to be on the market 
by now, but they have moved the date back several times.

Art Fuller

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From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:53:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Qjet Choke Question, maybe more...

> After a long run the idle is fine, but after a few minutes the idle 
> roughens. Rich-smelling exhaust too. We discussed this here a while back. 
> I agree, it doesn't make sense to me that it should need choke if it's 
> running rich. That's why it's a bit of a mystery.
  
A rich exhaust odor can also be the result of too lean a mixture, causing
misfires and unburned HC.  I guess you should address the suspected fuel
well problem before tearing into possibilites such as idle circuit
restrictions.

> I'm not sure I fully understand you here, but the choke works fine when 
> starting from cold, i.e. it sets with one pump, car starts right away, 
> you can kick it down, and it comes off the way it's supposed to so that 
> when the engine is warm the choke plate is wide open. So I don't think 
> it's that...

Sorry for the confusion... I was referring to the part about when you bent
the linkage to tighten up on the choke, and the car wouldn't start easily
the next day, at which time you restored the previous adjustment.  My
explanation was just a possible cause as to why your bending the choke rod
prevented the car from idling after a cold start.

Kevin Wong

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From: Aaron Neumann <neumann.12@osu.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 20:48:57 -0300
Subject: Spotted: 64 Dyn. 88 Conv. 

Stopped to check out a 64 Dynamic 88 Convertable that is for sale here in
St. Marys.  Nice car...good interior, straight body and chrome, though
aging.  Needs a new top.  Fading red paint with black top and maroonish
interior.  Not original paint.  I'm assuming this car has a 394.  It had
single exhaust.  I guess it had a Turbohydromatic...3 speeds whatever it was
(350, 400?).  Very little rust...a little under the doors is all I could
find that was significant. I didn't talk with the owner, but the sign said
$4700...a decent price according to the Old Car Price Guide.  

Got a few questions, though.  I understand that the 394 is difficult to find
parts for...especially high performance.  Little part interchangability,
too, correct?  Yet, this engine is good breathing and has a forged crank,
correct?  Seems like a good performance platform, and is maybe a dual
exhaust, good carburation, and mild cam (if available) shy of 380 HP.  Is
this a fair assessment?  As you can tell, I'm kinda performance oriented.
What is the typical curb weight for cars such as this?  Any ideas on what
ratio the rear end might be?  

If anyone else is interested in the car, let me know, but I got first dibs!  

- -Aaron

P.S.  On a different note, if I were to repaint, I think I'd go with
silver...so that's my vote for "Tiny."  I also think that light metallic
blue (almost silvery) looks good with a black top.  I'd think twice about
any greens.  Just my opinion.  

 _____
|  |  |* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
|  |  | Aaron Neumann St. Marys, OH  *
|  |  | neumann.12@osu.edu           *
| /|\ | 72 Delta 88 Royale Conv.     *
|/_|_\|* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *	

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:55:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting -Reply 

In a message dated 96-09-07 19:32:36 EDT, you write:

<< No. Whats the difference between the Cutlass Supreme and the Cutlass S ?
>>

Cutlass Supreme were the top of the line models, available as a convertible,
hardtop coupe (with a notchback roofline), or hardtop sedan.  The Cutlass S
(as in Sport?), was available only as a hardtop coupe or a Sports coupe (with
window pillars), both with a fastback roofline.  Cutlass models were the
lower priced entry (carpeting was an option in the coupe) and was available
as only a hardtop coupe (fastback) and a sedan.  The F-85 was available only
as a sedan and was the next best thing to a taxi cab - everything was
optional.  The 442 was an option package available on the Cutlass Supreme
convertible, either Cutlass S coupe model, or the Cutlass coupe.

Paul 

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:55:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

In a message dated 96-09-08 00:43:13 EDT, you write:

<< air bag, and a time delay interior light and door lock
 illuminator.  Too bad it was never taken care of.  I don't think any of
 that stuff is especially rare,  >>

Are you sure it had an air bag.  That would qualify as especially rare to me.
 There aren't too many times I like use the term rare, but this would be one
of them.  By the way, Oldsmobile is looking for an early air bag equipped car
to put on display for it's Centennial celebration.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:55:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Another 68 joins the family... 

In a message dated 96-09-07 20:13:47 EDT, you write:

<<  As for the SSI wheels, in 1968 there was an option P05 14" super
 stock wheels. >>

Here's the info I have out of the Product Selling Features & SPECS books on
Super Stock wheels.

1966 - P05 Chrome Super Stock wheels, photo shown in PSF book is a SSI

1967 - P05 Super Stock wheels, with chrome trim rings, wheels nuts &
 5-pointed spiders (or spokes), photo shown in book is a SSI

1968 - P05 Super Stock wheels, photo shown in book is a SSII.  PSF book says
these are an option on Cutlass & 88 models.  My SPECS book is a revised
edition (1-68) and lists a revision for this option as no longer available on
88 models.  Does not list a revision for re-availability OR deletion of
another Super Stock wheel as an option for Cutlass models.  There may have
been a dealer bulletin about availability of the earlier wheel.  I have no
dealer bulletins for '68.  There may also be another later revised SPECS
book.

1969 - P05 Super Stock I wheels, photo shown in book is a SSI.  Notice that
the option code stayed the same since '66, but the wheel changed in '68.

1969 - N66 Super Stock II wheels, photo shown in book is a SSII.  Option
changed from '68 for the same wheel.

This sounds like a question that only the Olds History Center can answer for
sure, as they would have access to any dealer bulletins that were issued in
'68 announcing the re-availability of the SSI wheel.

Paul 

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:59:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

In a message dated 96-09-07 22:48:50 EDT, you write:

<< I have had it since 83 when i was in high school. >>

Wish I had kept my first car I had in high school, a '78 Ninety Eight Regency
coupe.  That was in '85 and that was quite a fancy car for a high school kid
then.  Pretty white with light blue interior & landau top & pin stripes &
bodyside molding.  Traded it in Sept of '86 on an '81 Toronado.  The next
owner got hit at an intersection and it was totalled :(.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:55:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

In a message dated 96-09-07 20:53:42 EDT, you write:

<<  I love that big piece of chrome down the side
 and the clip on wheel covers. >>

You wouldn't love these wheel covers if you had to put them on.  Had these on
my '61 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan (it was Twilight Mist or Purple Metallic).
 They're a b*tch to work with.  Our old '62 Starfire convertible had these,
too.  Dad says the clips kept breaking.  He was down to 3 on each wheel
(instead of 5).  This was around 1971 and Olds parts didn't have them
anymore.  He said if one more would have broken, he wouldn't have been able
to put one of the hubcaps back on.  Didn't have to worry tho, we traded it
for a '67 Toronado.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:55:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Web chat w/ AC/Delco & Earnhart - Joke!!! 

In a message dated 96-09-07 15:54:02 EDT, you write:

<< ...when Dale Earnhardt will chat live on Talk Time.  The seven-time 
 > Winston Cup champion  >>

This reply contains a Non-Oldsmobile related joke.  If you do not want to
spend the time please proceed to the next post.  My apologies in advance to
those who get upset by this sort of thing.

Three surgeons are sitting around the country club bar after a Friday
afternoon round of golf.  The first surgeon says "I once sewed a man's arm
back on and he threw a no-hitter in the American League".  The second surgeon
says "That's nothing.  I once sewed a man's leg back on and he ran the most
yards in the NFL".  The third surgeon says "I can top both of those.  I once
sewed a moustache on an *sshole and he won 7 Winston Cup Championships".

Just heard this the other day at work and thought it fit in with the
Earnhardt posts.

Paul 

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From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:57:59 -0300
Subject: "Olds" IFIEDS

>From the September Issue of The Olds Club of Wisconsin "Rocket Rapsheet"

FOR SALE:

1972 & 1974 Hurst Olds lettered decal sets (doors, quarter panels). Each set 
is new and 
die cut, NOT screen printed.

$250.00

John Zimmer
4237 Lookout Trail
McFarland, WI   53558

1-608-838-4219


- -- 
Greg Kalkhoff                                      Driven Images
4217 W. Fond du Lac Ave.                http://cpeq.com/~edison3/dihome.html
Milwaukee, WI.  53216	
414-447-7500

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 22:10:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

In a message dated 96-09-08 15:38:46 EDT, you write:

<< Just two years short of being able to buy a '98 98.
  >>

Maybe you should look for an '88 88.

BTW, now that Chrysler has stopped the New Yorker and Olds the 98, does
anyone know what the next-longest surviving name plate would be?  These two
were the longest running, 1939 & '41 respectively.  Caprice is gone now too.
 That was another long running one.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 22:12:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Spotted: 64 Dyn. 88 Conv. 

In a message dated 96-09-08 20:09:53 EDT, you write:

<< I guess it had a Turbohydromatic...3 speeds whatever it was
 (350, 400?). >>

Nooooo.  THM only came about with '65s.  This car has a "Slim Jim" tranny.
 Some people have bad feelings about these.  I had one in my '61 and have no
complaints.

Paul

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:11:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting -Reply

Brad Baker writes:
>No. Whats the difference between the Cutlass Supreme and the Cutlass S ?

In regards to '72' grilles, the Supreme has a large checkerboard pattern. 
The 'S' has vertical slots. If you see my car on Bryceman's Web page 
(www.442.com), you will see that I have Supreme grilles in my 'S'. The 
Supreme grilles can still be found as new, the 'S' grilles only NOS and 
rare in good condition. Personally, I find  the Supreme grilles much more 
attractive than the 'S' grille and since my car is modified anyway, I 
took liberties with the change in grille style.


Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:11:35 -0300
Subject: Re: wierd salvageyard find

Jason Labay writes:
>this is no Chevy engine. So I take a look at the head ID to see if it is a
>big or small block and it has "F" heads with casting number 404438. Measured
>the manifold width and it is 14" so it is a big block. If I remember aren't
>"F" head 455's rather rare? Didn't get a chance to fire her up, will do that
>soon. Also got in a 1984 Cutlass Supreme 3.8L is if anybody needs parts let
>me know.

I just knew that I misplaced that engine somewhere... It's mine, give it 
back!

Just kidding, great find!


Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:11:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

Chuck Noppe writes:
> Yes folks I am strange I have several of Oldsmobiles "substantial cars" 
>and I
>wouldn't trade them for the world! So have pitty on me and if you have the
>same perversion as liking these road monsters drop a note.

I think you will find that the one thing that makes this list enjoyable 
is the diversity of the people who love Oldsmobiles of all sizes, kinds, 
shapes, colors, etc.

At least that's what "I" like about the list....

I know that there is a Olds 88 convertible out there that will reside in 
my pole barn once the barn is built in the next couple of years. I have 
always enjoyed those big cars myself, especially the convertibles. I tend 
to find that they are relatively inexpensive as well, at least compared 
to A-bodies.


Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:11:32 -0300
Subject: General

Here are a couple of things I am looking for:

- - Wanted: a pair of 1972 Cutlass S buckets in white.

- - Wanted: Oldmobile in Action, Volume #2

FYI:

The 1966 Olds 442 Tri-Power convertible is still rotting away in a barn 
near Mt. Pleasant, MI. I have been keeping tabs on this one for a while. 
The family's son went into the service, got himself killed overseas and 
the car only has about 5,000 miles. It looks like 105,000 since it has 
been sitting there in a leaky barn for the past 30 years. "Mom" just 
won't let go of it! Outside sheetmetal looks fine, horribly dirty though 
and a few dings. Interior is very rough as the top had been badly ripped 
and water has been inside the car for awhile, floorboard steel is rusted 
badly. Lots of mice, stinks real bad...


Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 22:22:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

In a message dated 96-09-07 20:22:33 EDT, you write:

<< So have pitty on me and if you have the
 same perversion as liking these road monsters drop a note. >>

Perversion???  Who you callin' a pervert?

My Ninety-Eight's a '67.  Holiday Coupe.  Loaded.  93,000 miles.  Unrestored
survivor.  Purchased from my grandmother's second cousin, who bought it new,
in June of '94.  Was originally purchased at a real small dealership.  The
original owner's salesperson (by night) was a mechanic (by day).  That
salesperson was also the original owner's nephew.  My grandparents lived next
door to that Olds dealership for almost 30 years (which is what started all
this for me).  That dealership just went out of business last year :(.

Paul

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@kfmw.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 15:57:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Another 68 joins the family...

> Art,
> 
> How do I know which are the ones for discs & which are the ones for
> drums?  I have a set of 1968 discs for my car but haven't put them on
> because I thought I didn't have the wheels as yet.  But then maybe I
> already do.
> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
> 
I just posted this info last week in the debate.  However, I have 
emptied my trash and don't have a copy of it.  Does anybody else, have 
it so I don't have to type it up again.

Thanks,

Dan

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@kfmw.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 16:02:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Die Cast Models

Dave Paulison wrote:
> 
> At 06:35 PM 9/8/96 -0300, you wrote:
> >
> >Has anyone seen the rumored die cast replica 69 442 Conv and 69 H/O that
> were to be released this past summer

I called on those cars (Ertl) and they are supposed to be out by 
Christmas now!  Ertl seems to be run by the same people who run the 
government.

- -Dan

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From: "Wright, Thomas CDT " <x02311@exmail.usma.army.mil>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 22:52:09 -0300
Subject: RE: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

I dig the Big Oldsmobiles.  I learned how to drive in a 1988 Custom
Cruiser Wagon.  That car kicked ass.  It made so many speed runs with me
in it that my mom still wonders today way it has alot of miles on it. 
Comfortable as hell though.  Power everything..., you know what I'm
talkin'  about.  Anyway, now I got a 66 Dynamic 88 thats 3000 miles away
from me.  Boy do I miss her.

Tom Wright 66 Dynamic 88 "The Beast"

>----------
>From: 	PHartlieb@aol.com[SMTP:PHartlieb@aol.com]
>Sent: 	Sunday, September 08, 1996 9:22 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject: 	Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????
>
>In a message dated 96-09-07 20:22:33 EDT, you write:
>
><< So have pitty on me and if you have the
> same perversion as liking these road monsters drop a note. >>
>
>Perversion???  Who you callin' a pervert?
>
>My Ninety-Eight's a '67.  Holiday Coupe.  Loaded.  93,000 miles. 
>Unrestored
>survivor.  Purchased from my grandmother's second cousin, who bought it
>new,
>in June of '94.  Was originally purchased at a real small dealership. 
>The
>original owner's salesperson (by night) was a mechanic (by day).  That
>salesperson was also the original owner's nephew.  My grandparents
>lived next
>door to that Olds dealership for almost 30 years (which is what started
>all
>this for me).  That dealership just went out of business last year :(.
>
>Paul
>
>

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:02:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Buick/Olds 

Jeramy Goble writes:
>Sorry but my 460 "Police Cruiser" Mustang could take any of yer 
>"old"smobiles...  heehee

Hmmmm, that's funny, I haven't met a Rustang yet that I haven't 
beaten...BADLY!

>(Son of a Toronado owner)...Haha

It seems that wisdom, intelligence and good taste ended with good ole' 
Dad...


Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:02:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Which NEW Olds to buy?

Phil De Simone writes:
>She's ready for a new car, price no object (thanks to the insurance
>company!), and her prerequisites to me are that it's not "red", it has four
>doors, a nice size trunk, automatic transmission, and that's it's as safe as
>possible. Well, as for safe, I was thinking about a Chevy Suburban, now
>that's safe as can be!!! But a little big for her. Sooooooo........

When you are talking about Suburbans, you are talking really BIG money... 
Nothing Olds offers is that much money, even fully optioned Auroras. I 
would go for a 1996 Aurora or a Eighty Eight LSS. The Bravada is a nice 
vehicle but crash testing has been quite poor for the new S-bodies. 


Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:03:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

The 66 Toro and Mike wrote:
>That's marketing weenies, for ya.  Bet the thought 
>never crossed their teeney, tiny, little minds.

I never realized they even HAD minds....


Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:02:16 -0300
Subject: Re: salvage yard find update

Jason Labay wrote:
>I double
>checked both heads casting numbers and these are indeed "F" heads. Should
>command a good chunk of change at a swap meet? Moral of the story: Check
>under all hoods, even Yugo's...never know what might be lurking under there:)


Ummmm, you want to sell those to a good standing member of the Olds 
newslist? What does a "good chunk" mean, anyway?


Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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From: David1756@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:28:36 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 442 options and colors 

I had a 69 442 with a vinyl top, completely factory original from original
owner, it was definitely an option.  That particular car was triple pale
green, same color scheme as the now resurrected gorgeous 69 Toro I sold to
Bob Barry.  I believe Al Sandy (contact thru OCA) has color chips foor 1969,
or you can try Walter Miller (auto literature) in Syracuse NY for same. 

David Wilk
formerly 68 Toro
anyone know where I can find a nice Vista Cruiser (65-72) for under $3500?

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 23:48:56 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 442 options and colors 

>anyone know where I can find a nice Vista Cruiser (65-72) for under $3500?

Saw a couple in Hemmings recenlty.  one 350 other 455.  I think both had a/c 
and were around $2500.

Roger Borlase

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 19:02:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Buick/Olds 

Paul R. K. Kuromoto wrote:
>=20
> Take us where? Out on a date?  I figure that would be a good idea, seei=
ng
> as how tacky and plain Ford interiors are comparaed to stylish Oldsmobi=
le
> interiors. , and in addition to being just an
> inferior chassis, the interior inspires me about as much as a mail
> truck.  No hard feelings, though, some cars were just designed with
> different things in mind eh?  We won't even get into fitting a bunch of
> friends comfortably into a Mustang for some serious cruising...heehee

Paul,

Speaking of that feeling & the luxurious interiors of olds compared to=20
most others - Chevy, Ford, Pontiac, Plymouth, Dodge, etc., it didn't=20
actually cost more either.  Some people didn't appreciate it though &=20
bought the Chevy anyway.  Maybe they didn't realize that they could get=20
the Olds for little more than the others.

In 1972, I was shopping for a mid-size station wagon for my growing=20
family.  I had decided it would be Buick, Pontiac, Chevrolet, or=20
Oldsmobile.  I priced out ordering the cars w/400+ ci engines, AC, full=20
power, tilt, cruise, & genuine faux pas wood. It turned out that the as=20
delivered price spread was $29.  None compared to the Olds interior &=20
general finish.  The olds looked better.  The 455 was so nice.  I loved=20
the Vista Vent.  Over all there was no comparison & I got an Olds for=20
$29 over a Chevy.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

P.S.:  The car was a disappointment though as 14 years later & 130,000=20
miles the gas mileage wasn't up to snuff any more.
- --=20
MZ=90

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From: David1756@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:20:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Another 68 joins the family... 

>P05 for 1968 would be SSIIs.  Most years, PO5 is SSI and N66 >is SSII/III,
but not 
>in 1968.  Yes, the true answer lies in the build sheet.  (Are we >on this
debate 
>again or what).  Does anybody have a build sheet that shows >SSIs?  What
would the 
>code be, since P05 would be incorrect.

In 1979-81, I was second owner of an unmodified 1968 442 which had the SS1's.
 I still have the spare wheel with original unused redline on it (when I sold
it, forgot that I had it in the garage and the guy never came to get it).
 Weren't there pictures of the available wheels in the product literature?  I
have the 68 brochures and option sheets somewhere in a box and will look for
them, but having just moved, finding anything is an adventure.

David Wilk

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From: David1756@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:27:15 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 442 options and colors 

Thanks for the mention of some F/S in Hemmings.  Let me refine my request for
info on 65-72 Vista Cruisers for sale: need to be within driving distance of
Chicago.  Prefer heavily optioned car, but mostly need decent body.  Any tips
or leads appreciated.  Thanks - David Wilk.

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From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:36:33 -0300
Subject: 98's  

There are a few of us out here who like the full grown cars, but we're
more rare and quieter than the Toro guys. I have a 66 convertible 98.
big fun car with just enough power to move out o.k. even with 2.73
gears. (which I'm tryin to change, but parts seem to be rare.
cf

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:35:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Another 68 joins the family...

On Mon, 9 Sep 1996 David1756@aol.com wrote:
> In 1979-81, I was second owner of an unmodified 1968 442 which had the SS1's.
>  I still have the spare wheel with original unused redline on it (when I sold
> it, forgot that I had it in the garage and the guy never came to get it).
>  Weren't there pictures of the available wheels in the product literature?  I
> have the 68 brochures and option sheets somewhere in a box and will look for
> them, but having just moved, finding anything is an adventure.

No, they're not in the literature, that's what started the whole debate 
in the first place... BTW, checked the parts catalog, they're not listed 
there for '68 either.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Rocketeer <bparker@nmsu.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:51:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Spotted: 66-67 (?) wagon

> 
> << Not true... The 400 (2bbl) was available in '67 as the Turnpike Cruiser
>  option. For a VC this would make a great towing vehicle. >>
> 
> But this option was not available for the Vista-C.  Only on Cutlass Supreme
> coupes and convertible...
> 
> L66 Turnpike Cruising Option - Includes 300hp Rocket 400 V-8 Engine with
> 2-bbl. carburetor and Climatic Combustion Control Engine Air-Induction System
> (K50), 7.75 x 14" White-Line nylon-cord tires and heavy-duty chassis items.
>  Turbo Hydra-Matic Transmission (M40) required.  Cutlass Supreme Coupes and
> Convertibles....$142.18.

Okay, after checking the literature I can't argue with you. But... I have
seen a '67 VC with the 400 2 bbl and the CCC system. I mistook this for a
Turnpike Cruiser based on the 400 alone. Having thought about it you
couldn't get the heavy duty chassis components (ala 442) on the wagons.
Chris Witt can back this up, because I remember "talking" with him about
one he saw in California. 

Boyd Parker (aka Rocketeer)            __|__
                                      |  |  |  Why drive just a car...
1966 4-speed Cutlass Convertible      |  |  |  when you can ride a rocket !
1970 4-4-2 Convertible                |  |  |
                                      | /|\ |
                                      |/ | \|
                                      |__|__|
                                         |

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From: Jon442@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:48:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Which NEW Olds to buy? 

Since she likes sporty cars, I assume... take her straight to an LSS, which
is based on the 88. It is sporty.. has bucket seats, console, gauges... and
is just an all around good car. It rides nice handles good, looks greats,
runs good, and has all the toys for under $30K. Save yourself a grand by not
buying the blower, the normally aspirated version runs almost as well and
doesn't require premium. I am on my second one and love the car!

Jon

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From: "Wright, Thomas CDT " <x02311@exmail.usma.army.mil>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:36:04 -0300
Subject: VIN#'s

Does anyone know of a system to find out what the VIN means for my 66
Dynamic 88?  I don't have the time to  go look in books so any kind of
help will be appreciated.

Tom Wright 66 Dynamic 88 "The Beast" 

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From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:00:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

>In a message dated 96-09-08 15:38:46 EDT, you write:
>

>BTW, now that Chrysler has stopped the New Yorker and Olds the 98, does
>anyone know what the next-longest surviving name plate would be?  These two
>were the longest running, 1939 & '41 respectively.  Caprice is gone now too.
> That was another long running one.
>
>Paul
>
my guess would be the Cadillac Coupe Deville which was 1949
Oldsmobile 88 in various dirivitives has been with us since 49 also
Then there is corvette and thunderbird 53,55 respectivly...
Chuck Noppe 

Oldsnut @ westworld.com

66 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
67 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
68 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
71 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight LS
71 Cadillac Coupe Deville
72 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency
72 Oldsmobile Toronado Brougham
92 Mercury Grand Marquis

------------------------------

From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:02:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

>In a message dated 96-09-07 20:22:33 EDT, you write:
>
><< So have pitty on me and if you have the
> same perversion as liking these road monsters drop a note. >>
>
>Perversion???  Who you callin' a pervert?
>
>My Ninety-Eight's a '67.  Holiday Coupe.  Loaded.  93,000 miles.  Unrestored
>survivor.  Purchased from my grandmother's second cousin, who bought it new,
>in June of '94.  Was originally purchased at a real small dealership.  The
>original owner's salesperson (by night) was a mechanic (by day).  That
>salesperson was also the original owner's nephew.  My grandparents lived next
>door to that Olds dealership for almost 30 years (which is what started all
>this for me).  That dealership just went out of business last year :(.
>
>Paul
>

Well paul thats what my neighbors all think I am for driving such barges....
Chuck Noppe 

Oldsnut @ westworld.com

66 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
67 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
68 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
71 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight LS
71 Cadillac Coupe Deville
72 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency
72 Oldsmobile Toronado Brougham
92 Mercury Grand Marquis

------------------------------

From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:05:10 -0300
Subject: Master Cylinder Swap 

I have run a couple different hydraulic setups on my 66 98. Here's
what I know:

1) It came with vacuum power assisted single hydraulic circuit 4 wheel
drum brakes. Since I've blown one hose and had the whole system go down
I thought it smart to go to dual hydraulic circuit.

2) I put on a power booster and dual master from a 1971 98 and it bolted
right in, but I had to persuade my inner fender with a lot of strong blow
s with a hammer for clearance enough to run the hardlines. It worked, but
the brakes never really felt like they had enough backpressure. Simultaneously
I upgraded to disc brakes so I don't know where the effect came from.
Disc brakes stop much better than drums, but for those of you with 4 wheel
orginal drums, retain your rear drums which have much surface area, reduced
in later years because of increased stopping power of front discs. 

3) I put in the hydraulic splitter from a 71-71 big car with the electrical
low pressure switch to warn of loss of fluid. Some peace of mind here. Wired
it to the brake light for logic's sake. 

4) When you swap from single to dual master you need to put in a variable
brake proportioning valve. This keeps the right amount of pressure going
to the rear brakes and keeps them from locking up first, inducing a
phenomenon like water skiers going by the boat. I got mine from Wilwood
brakes who do racing car brakes. A you can tap into the rear line on 
the frame just behind the hydraulic front/rear splitter and bolt to 
frame.

5) Last month upgraded to a 1980 or so plastic topped master. Advantage
here is you can see the fluid level. What I wasn't expecting was that
it is angled up and my firewall is vertical so I now need to find an
angled vacuum assist. Back to the boneyard.

Hope this helps! Forward other questions as necessary.
cf

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From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:05:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

>In a message dated 96-09-07 20:53:42 EDT, you write:
>
><<  I love that big piece of chrome down the side
> and the clip on wheel covers. >>
>
>You wouldn't love these wheel covers if you had to put them on.  Had these on
>my '61 Ninety Eight Holiday Sedan (it was Twilight Mist or Purple Metallic).
> They're a b*tch to work with.  Our old '62 Starfire convertible had these,
>too.  Dad says the clips kept breaking.  He was down to 3 on each wheel
>(instead of 5).  This was around 1971 and Olds parts didn't have them
>anymore.  He said if one more would have broken, he wouldn't have been able
>to put one of the hubcaps back on.  Didn't have to worry tho, we traded it
>for a '67 Toronado.
>
>Paul
>actually those clips mentioned were on 57-64 olsmobile deluxe caps, 55 had
tabs like God intended hubcaps to have... can relate to the clips though,
had a 58 88,
62 Starfire and 63 98 sport coupe with those spent many a night before a car
show cussing them out!
Chuck Noppe 

Oldsnut @ westworld.com

66 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
67 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
68 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
71 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight LS
71 Cadillac Coupe Deville
72 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency
72 Oldsmobile Toronado Brougham
92 Mercury Grand Marquis

------------------------------

From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:09:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

>In a message dated 96-09-08 00:43:13 EDT, you write:
>
><< air bag, and a time delay interior light and door lock
> illuminator.  Too bad it was never taken care of.  I don't think any of
> that stuff is especially rare,  >>
>
>Are you sure it had an air bag.  That would qualify as especially rare to me.
> There aren't too many times I like use the term rare, but this would be one
>of them.  By the way, Oldsmobile is looking for an early air bag equipped car
>to put on display for it's Centennial celebration.
>
>Paul
>Air bags were avalible on 75 and 76 full sized cars, thank god the 76 Toro
a freind of mine had did not have one, they are rare but so ugly! the steering
wheel center had a large rectangular cener looked awful!
Chuck Noppe 

Oldsnut @ westworld.com

66 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
67 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
68 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
71 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight LS
71 Cadillac Coupe Deville
72 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency
72 Oldsmobile Toronado Brougham
92 Mercury Grand Marquis

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From: oldsnut@westworld.com (Chuck Noppe)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:14:39 -0300
Subject: RE: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

>>Tell me more about your 72 is it a LS 2/4 door? also finally got around to
>>updating the signature with cars owned, no barn just lots of cars stored
around
>>town
>
>mine is a base model 5 door.   ;)
>
>
I understand now... I almost bought a 71 CB 98 ambulance back in 84 when i
was in high school, but my folks would not allow it in their driveway or on
their street. It was too bad that car shure would have looked great nest to
my 55 super 88 and 71 98... Parents who can figure..... 
Chuck Noppe 

Oldsnut @ westworld.com

66 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
67 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
68 Oldsmobile Toronado Dlx
71 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight LS
71 Cadillac Coupe Deville
72 Oldsmobile Ninety Eight Regency
72 Oldsmobile Toronado Brougham
92 Mercury Grand Marquis

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From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:28:47 -0300
Subject: 88's/98's 

Just a little Sunday p.m. philosophy. My 98 conv. was my father's oldsmobile.
I grew up in it, went to high school, college in it and it's the
best it's ever been right now. Guess I've had it maybe 15 years or so. 

People still get a funny look on their face when they see someone 32 
driving this large, old car almost as old as him. But they smile, and
wave, and pull you over, and say "I wish I hadn't sold my ...." So I'm
keepin' it.

The big cars don't have the speed of the A bodies, but their longer
frames distribute bumps over far more time smoothing out the ride. Also
they have some great, great toys. Like the autronic eye (headlight kickdown,
), wonderbar (footswitch radio - don't have to take your hands off the 
wheel, now a new-old trend), speed monitor speedo, reverb and on and on.
No such personality in my 94 mazda MX-6 LS (I bought it to keep my 98
running forever) 

BTW, did an inventory of my spare parts over the past weekend or so. 
Eye opening experience. Suggest it to those of you with the time. This
way I know what I got and what I "need". 

cf

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From: Spud <spud@kudonet.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:37:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Condensors, Was: Thanks Folks 

Sorry for the delay in responding.  Upgraded to Windoze95 over the course of
the last week and have had one stumper getting things going.  There now, 
though.

At 01:51 PM 8/29/96 -0300, Mike wrote:
>The Reader's Digest Condensed version:
>
>SPUD:
>> As an experiment, I replaced the condensor with a large capacitor; something
>> like 10,000 uF.  The car wouldn't start and I guessed that this was caused
>> by pushing the time constant for the charging circuit into the operating
>> range of the ignition system.
>
>MIKE:
>No doubt.  BTW, got any data on what those suckers do measure?
>
>-- 
>Michael R. Frederick


No.  I do have access to a capacitance bridge at work, so the next condensor
I buy I'll check it out.  I'm wondering if getting the condensor out of the
distributor will lengthen its life, since it's mighty hot in there.  Could
there be a secondary, deleterious effect doing so?



Spud     "Fart proudly."
'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
'73 Delta 88
'79 LeBaron

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From: Spud <spud@kudonet.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:37:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Coils (was Re: Condensors (Was: Thanks Folks)) 

At 10:11 AM 8/29/96 -0300, Andrew wrote:
>>
>>Think of the coil charging up like a balloon you blow air into.  Think of the
>>coil discharging as letting the air out real fast.
>
>Right, and I was wondering whether the, uh, "inflation" of the coil would
>also result in a big pulse out of the secondary, like the collapse or
>deflation does. I think you answered that question as, "Yes, although that
>pulse has nowhere to go," if I'm reading you right.
>
>Andrew C. Green

That's about it.  No where to go, so it doesn't.  Left to its own (ignition
"OFF") the coil's field will degenerate due to internal copper losses and
leakage back into ground.



Spud     "Fart proudly."
'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
'73 Delta 88
'79 LeBaron

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From: Spud <spud@kudonet.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:38:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile ID Book 

At 12:35 AM 8/31/96 -0300, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-08-30 22:12:48 EDT, you write:
>
><< Bummer it doesn't cover Deltas.  I just copied the numbers off the data
> plate tonight.  Now I need the cipher. >>
>
>Post'em here.  We'll figger 'em out.
>
>Paul

OK.  You'll need a fixed font to read this correctly.

ST73 3BN57LAN351161     BDY
TR  326      81  A      PNT
  12B A65

TIA.  Let me know what you come up with.




Spud     "Fart proudly."
'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
'73 Delta 88
'79 LeBaron

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From: Spud <spud@kudonet.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:38:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Year One request

At 05:36 PM 9/4/96 -0300, you wrote:

>Does anyone know what the E-mail 
>address or the web site location is for Year One?   Please contact me via 
>E-mail: SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
>

They responded to a catalog request from me from:

yearone@atl.mindspring.com

You can also try their web site catalog order page at:

http://www.wj.net/f-body/yo/cat2.htm

>
>Jeff Zeilmann



Spud     "Fart proudly."
'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
'73 Delta 88
'79 LeBaron

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:32:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Another Olds in a movie sighting

Date: Fri, 6 Sep 1996 16:12:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Another Olds in a movie sighting - "Rebel of the Road"

>I have checked
>with many of the local movie stores here in St. Louis, and no one has ever
>heard of it.  Has anyone else heard of it, and/or know where to obtain it?

Video stores (e.g. Blockbuster) usually have a monster book called a
VideoLog, a massive thing that looks like a car parts catalog. Look
up the movie by title, star name, director or whatever. If it exists,
you should be able to find it in there.
________________
Andrew ,

Thanks for the suggestion, but unfortunately been there, done that.  My 
wife's younger sister works at BB and checked it out when I first started 
looking for it.  About the only one that was in their books is "Rebel 
without a cause."  I was hoping someone else actually has seen it and knew 
about it.  Someone told me today to check with the library, out of all 
places.  I haven't checked there yet.  Thanks for the RE.

Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:34:00 -0300
Subject: 350 / 400 exhaust manifolds

I am in the process of completely restoring my '69 Cutlass Convertible and 
currently have the engine pulled and on a stand.  I was talking to a guy at 
a Midas Muffler shop when I had another car in for some muffler work, and 
happened to mention I was looking for exhaust manifolds for my 350. 
 Coincidentally, he used to have a 1967 442 with a 400, and had removed the 
W-30 exhaust manifolds to put headers on it.  He never put the W-30 exhaust 
manifolds back on it before he sold it, and said he'd be willing to part 
with them for $100.00 bucks.  My first question is will they fit on my 350, 
and my second is are they worth 100.00 bucks?

Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

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From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 03:50:27 -0300
Subject: Tri-Carb Toronado

Even I, (the Toroiest of Toronuts) scoffed at the idea a factory Toronado 
equipped with 
tri-carbs.

WELL!!!  Tonight, while organizing the motherload of literature I have 
amassed, I came 
across the VERY interesting article:

The 1969 Toronado Granturismo XX

A 455 with three 2-barrel Rochester Carbs!!!!!!

Excerpt from article:

"The Toronado XX is a basically stock job, in dimentions anyway. Under the 
hood is a 455 
cid engine, sports a lot of chrome, a special high duration cam, 3.54:1 front 
axle, ram 
air, and three 2-barrel Rochester carbs.

The one and ONLY XX is now owned by Tommy Smothers. It was originally built as 
a show 
car, but still handles in the Toronado Style."

Oh, by the way. The Picture of the XX is right next to another one of a kind. 
The 1966 
Toronado Station Wagon!!! 

So, there was a tri-carb Toronado. But, as I suspected, it was a rare (indeed) 
one of a 
kind car!

Think I'll call Tommy Smothers and see if he still has it. (:

Sparky

- -- 
Greg Kalkhoff                                      Driven Images
4217 W. Fond du Lac Ave.                http://cpeq.com/~edison3/dihome.html
Milwaukee, WI.  53216	
414-447-7500

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:53:21 -0300
Subject: Re: salvage yard find update 

At 10:24 AM 9/8/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I finally got that 82 Cutlass 4-door  with the "F" head 455 fired up and she
>runs super. I called the owner of the car and asked him why he left it here
>to be junked. Turns out the engine is actually a 71 Toro 455. He bought it
>as a short block and got the heads from his grandfathers garage. Said they
>were "laying around" and grandpa didn't want them (turns out he is up in age
>and not mobile). He also told me that his grandpa was a huge Oldsnut, had
>money, and used to have 3 or 4 late 60's early 70's 442's and H/O's. He
>dropped this 455 into his 82 because his 260 blew up a year ago.  I double
>checked both heads casting numbers and these are indeed "F" heads. Should
>command a good chunk of change at a swap meet? Moral of the story: Check
>under all hoods, even Yugo's...never know what might be lurking under there:) 

Hmmm, genuine W-30 heads in an early-80's 4-door Cutlass; I've heard that
people are asking for $1000 for a set of these things (getting that much,
however, is another matter...). 

Searching for a parts carb the other week, I looked under the hood of an
early-80's 2-dr CS, and was surprised to see the "260" under the hood with a
Quadrajet. I looked at the heads, expecting a #"10" or something, but
instead saw "J". Huh, I thought, someone put smogger-455 heads on a 260
block, for about 6:1 compression. It was only *then* that I noticed how wide
the motor really was.

Putting a J-headed 455 in a CS, however, and using the stock 260 exhausts
(*small*!), must have been one of the least-powerful, most-disappointing
big-block swaps in the history of Oldsmobiling.

Great find, though. You should check back with "Gramps" and see what _else_
he has lying around in that garage ("Yeah, the slots in this fiberglass hood
I screwed to the wall make great holders for my rakes and shovels; Oh, no,
you can't have that 455 crank, it's the last one I've got- these forged ones
make great anchors for my fishing boat, but they keep getting snagged on
weeds so I've had to cut loose the last five when that's happened...")

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Landau Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:53:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Which NEW Olds to buy? 

At 03:55 PM 9/8/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Howdy,
>
>My wife needs a new car. She was in an accident while driving her Honda
>Prelude, (hit head on by a 83 year old woman who without her glasses ran a
>red light she didn't even see, and driving an early 70's Olds 98!!!  OUCH!
>Well, needless to say the Honda was totalled and luckily after some surgery
>my wife seems to be OK.

Glad to hear she is OK.

>She's ready for a new car, price no object (thanks to the insurance
>company!), and her prerequisites to me are that it's not "red", it has four
>doors, a nice size trunk, automatic transmission, and that's it's as safe as
>possible. Well, as for safe, I was thinking about a Chevy Suburban, now
>that's safe as can be!!! But a little big for her. Sooooooo........

Aurora! Aurora! Aurora!

>What new Olds can I show her, I am not up on the latest models, any
>suggestions??

Aurora! Aurora! Aurora!

Yeah, it's $35,000, but it's got a V-8 and '66 Toronado tailights...

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Landau Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:59:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile ID Book 

ST73 3BN57LAN351161     BDY
TR  326      81  A      PNT
  12B A65

'73 model year.  Built In Lansing, Mi.  351161 is the unit number from that 
plant.  Trim code is 326.  Built 2nd week in December?  81 is Lower Body 
color.  A is upper body color.  N57 ia Delta 88 Royal Hardtop Coupe.  81 was 
Bamboo in '72.  A is white single-tone exterior color code.
3B is Oldsmobile B-body.

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From: Shawn Twomey <stwom@ctp.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 01:28:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Decoding VIN's

Drew,

I can't wait to see this program in action, looks like it'll be good
stuff.  One comment about the VIN glossary for the 81-88 Cutlasses:  the
engine code '9' is listed as "Olds 307 (442)."  I believe it would be
more correct to say "Olds 307 (High Output)" or something similar, since
the 9s were used in '83/'84 H/Os as well as the '85-'87 442s (and maybe
other cars I'm not aware of).  That's picking nits, I know, but hey, we
can't be too fussy with our Olds, now can we?

Cheers!

Shawn

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 02:07:24 -0300
Subject: Re: 350 / 400 exhaust manifolds 

At 12:34 AM 9/9/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I am in the process of completely restoring my '69 Cutlass Convertible and 
>currently have the engine pulled and on a stand.  I was talking to a guy at 
>a Midas Muffler shop when I had another car in for some muffler work, and 
>happened to mention I was looking for exhaust manifolds for my 350. 
> Coincidentally, he used to have a 1967 442 with a 400, and had removed the 
>W-30 exhaust manifolds to put headers on it.  He never put the W-30 exhaust 
>manifolds back on it before he sold it, and said he'd be willing to part 
>with them for $100.00 bucks.  My first question is will they fit on my 350, 
>and my second is are they worth 100.00 bucks?

1) They (probably) won't fit your 350 (pass. side intersects with oil filter
mount), unless you work up some remote-mount filter.

2) I'd say W-30 dual-exhaust manifolds are worth $100, especially to a
restorer. For your '69, though, I'd say your money would be better put
toward a pair of good headers.

>
>Jeff Zeilmann
>SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
>'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible
>
>

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Landau Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

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From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 04:29:33 -0300
Subject: Re: [Toro] Tri-Carb Toronado

Robert J. Barry wrote:
 
> There are a couple articles on this in Brooklands' Toronado book (reprints
> of contemporary road tests). I got my copy from Fusick's when I was in
> there; worthwhile reading on every page!

Bob,

That is the VERY book I have! Yes, it is quite informative!!

> 
> Surprisingly (to the reviewers as well), the car's performance was not that
> impressive: 16.4 sec. 1/4 mi. makes it slower than a stock W-34 '68 Toronado.

Correct! I wonder why though. Since it was shorter and lighter, it really 
should have 
screamed if they wanted it to!!!
 
> The real neat car, however, is the shortened 2-seat Toro the factory toyed 
with.

That is the same car we are talking about here! Page 52/53 if you still have 
the book. 
If you want, I can photocopy and send?!?!

Sparky

- -- 
Greg Kalkhoff                                      Driven Images
4217 W. Fond du Lac Ave.                http://cpeq.com/~edison3/dihome.html
Milwaukee, WI.  53216	
414-447-7500

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From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 02:31:54 -0300
Subject: Exhaust manifolds

> >Hi Greg ... well I had the valve job done because 2 exhaust manifolds
broke
> >off in the driver's side head when I was taking off the old (single
> >exhaust) manifolds. 
> 
> does this mean you installed dual exhaust manifolds?  I need a pair BAD
for my
> 72...do you have an extra pair, or at least the pass. side? 
> 
> Dan Dale 

Hi Dan ... 
well, I didn't type the word "bolts" in that sentence (:"2 exhaust manifold
bolts broke"), so it's unclear ... 
- -I installed dual exhaust manifolds, numberes 402294 and 412287 (see the
FAQ).  It took awhile to find these, but I picked them up at the swap meet
when the OCA had their show up here in London, Ontario.  I was lead to
believe that they were hard to find, but the guy I bought them from had
several pairs. It was about a year before I put them on the car; in the
meantime they sat each on top of a pair of speakers: two very attractive
pieces of metal.  I do have some manifolds lying around, but none are of
the dual type ... good luck finding them.

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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From: Robin Franco <franco@ismi.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 05:39:12 -0300
Subject: olds problems

I have a 1985 olds calas everytime the engine gets hot thecar will jerk 
and die.  The carwill restart but you can not put the car into gear.  
After several minutes the car will reset and you can drive off and then 
it will do the same thing at the next stop.  I have 75K miles on the car.
We have changed the fuel presure regulator and I only use highoctane 
fuel.

Any Ideas?

Thank you

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From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 04:51:50 -0300
Subject: Re: olds problems

Robin Franco wrote:
> 
> I have a 1985 olds calas everytime the engine gets hot thecar will jerk
> and die.  The carwill restart but you can not put the car into gear.
> After several minutes the car will reset and you can drive off and then
> it will do the same thing at the next stop.  I have 75K miles on the car.
> We have changed the fuel presure regulator and I only use highoctane
> fuel.
> 
> Any Ideas?'
Robin,

Sounds like detent solenoid/switch in the tranny pan. My brothers 82 Ciera did 
the same 
exact thing! You can unplug the wire going to the pan and it should run ok, it 
just 
won't have a lot of power or downshift, until you can get it fixed.

Sparky

 
Greg Kalkhoff                                      Driven Images
4217 W. Fond du Lac Ave.                http://cpeq.com/~edison3/dihome.html
Milwaukee, WI.  53216	
414-447-7500

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From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 03:34:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

> >BTW, now that Chrysler has stopped the New Yorker and Olds the 98, does
> >anyone know what the next-longest surviving name plate would be?  These two
> >were the longest running, 1939 & '41 respectively.  Caprice is gone now too.
> > That was another long running one.
> >
> >Paul

> my guess would be the Cadillac Coupe Deville which was 1949
> Oldsmobile 88 in various dirivitives has been with us since 49 also
> Then there is corvette and thunderbird 53,55 respectivly...
> Chuck Noppe 

The Coupe de Ville was discontinued after the '92 (?) model year.  I
believe the longest running nameplate is Fleetwood.  Cadillac purchased
Fleetwood Metal Body Co. in 1925.  Although there were several "Fleetwood
Town Cars" in the '30s, the name did not become part of a model name until
1940.  1996 will perhaps be the last year for this name, with the demise
of the full-size RWD Cadillac, unless of course they repackage a FWD
model for '97, as had been done from '86 to '92.
  
Kevin Wong 

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From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 03:46:54 -0300
Subject: Re: olds problems

> > I have a 1985 olds calas everytime the engine gets hot thecar will jerk
> > and die.  The carwill restart but you can not put the car into gear.
> > After several minutes the car will reset and you can drive off and then
> > it will do the same thing at the next stop.  I have 75K miles on the car.
> 
> Sounds like detent solenoid/switch in the tranny pan. My brothers 82 Ciera 
did the same 
> exact thing! You can unplug the wire going to the pan and it should run ok, 
it just 
> won't have a lot of power or downshift, until you can get it fixed.

This is a good suggestion!  The wire you're talking about is for the
lockup torque converter, which may be staying engaged due to a faulty
solenoid.  Disconnecting the TCC won't decrease power or prevent
downshifts.  There will be a slight increase in fuel consumption due to
slippage in the torque converter at cruise, and additional heat buildup in
the transmission.  Driveability may actually improve since more throttle
input is not necessary to unlock the TCC and provide torque multiplication.

Kevin Wong

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 07:28:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting -Reply

On Sun, 8 Sep 1996 PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:
> Cutlass Supreme were the top of the line models, available as a convertible,
> hardtop coupe (with a notchback roofline), or hardtop sedan.

I don't think there was a notchback coupe in '68 or '69.

> The Cutlass S
> (as in Sport?), was available only as a hardtop coupe or a Sports coupe (with
> window pillars), both with a fastback roofline.

Don't forget the "S" convertible...

> Cutlass models were the
> lower priced entry (carpeting was an option in the coupe) and was available
> as only a hardtop coupe (fastback) and a sedan.  The F-85 was available only
> as a sedan and was the next best thing to a taxi cab - everything was
> optional.  The 442 was an option package available on the Cutlass Supreme
> convertible, either Cutlass S coupe model, or the Cutlass coupe.

Pre '68 and '72 and later, the 4-4-2 was an option package; in between it 
was a separate model.

> Paul 

Must have been late when you posted this, not your usual gold-star 
quality, Paul... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 08:29:16 -0300
Subject: Re: 350 / 400 exhaust manifolds

Jeff,
No and yes.

Art Fuller

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From: Esko.Ilola@Tele.telebox.fi
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:06:16 -0300
Subject: Trouble with wiring harness

Item Subject: Sanoman teksti
Last thursday me and my wife were driving our 98 to home. During the drive we
noticed
a smell of burning wire coming in. We supposed that the smell was coming from
the
nasty looking Lada driving in front of us.

The Lada turned away and the smell continued. Not coming from Lada..... At home
I
almost burned my fingers on the ignition key. This key wa HOT. Then I put my
hand
under the dashboard and feeled the wires in there near the ignition switch. 
This
time
I burned my fingers.

I loosened the ground cable out of battery and took a careful look under the
dash. It
was a mess there.

In friday I took the whole harness (yes, it comes out in one piece) out of the
car. At
first sight I noticed many non-original modifications in it.

I took all insulation stuff out of the harness to inspect it's condition. Not
bad,
except the head lamp feed wires which were in a bad condition. Checked the head
lamps
at once. These should be normal (non-halogen) low-wattage lamps but some IDIOT
had put
halogens out there. This was of course the main reason for our 
harness-burn-out.

Fortunately I have born with a soldering iron in my hand (that's what my mom
told me)
and restoring this harness was not a very tricky job. Anyway one specific thing
took quite a long time until I understood what was in front of me:

There is a ballast resistor in the ignition system. The resistor does not look
like a
resistor because it actually is a resistive wire among the other wires in the
harness.
The same IDIOT had put an external resistor AND had used the original resistive
wire.
I took the external resistor away because I could not see it in my shop manual.
I
measured the resistance of this 'wire' and it matched the 1.8 ohms stated in my
manual. Good.

I replaced all oxidated connectors (the inside elements of those) with new 
ones.
When
doing this I noted that the original builders had been real professionals: the
wires
had been pre-tinned before crimping. This ensures both mechanical and 
electrical
strength. I did the same with the new connectors. At same time I noticed some
newer
connectors that some amateur had put in. No pre-tinnig....no contact. The wire
end had
oxidated very badly. I replaced them too.

When I took the insulating stuff away from the harness, I noticed that there 
was
some
15 metres of the NITTO-tape-stuff with the ugly glue. I was forced to wash the
wires
with soap (Fairy) and water.

I wound the black spiral over the harness and today it's back in the car. Works
fine.
Especially when I put the double light relay to carry the high current for
headlight
bulps.

If you guys have ANYTHING to ask of wiring harness of a Ninety Eight -64 4DHT
Holiday
Sports Sedan, don't hesitate to ask me.

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From: Esko.Ilola@Tele.telebox.fi
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:07:17 -0300
Subject: Ignition switch for Ninety Eight 1964 (4DHT Holiday Sports Sedan)

Item Subject: Sanoman teksti
I badly need an ignition switch for my olds. The current switch was burned by 
an
IDIOT who put a pair of high-wattage halogen-headlamps and didn't put a light
relay. This burned the switch AND some wires in my harness as well.

Here are the items I need:

a) the ignition switch body. A missing key is not a problem unless the body is
in
good condition.

b) the connector body for the ignition switch. It is possible that the other
1964
models of GM (not only olds) had this same switch.

Please make my day!

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:29:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Spotted: 64 Dyn. 88 Conv. 

At 08:48 PM 9/8/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Stopped to check out a 64 Dynamic 88 Convertable that is for sale here in
>St. Marys.  Nice car...good interior, straight body and chrome, though
>aging.  Needs a new top.  Fading red paint with black top and maroonish
>interior.  Not original paint.  I'm assuming this car has a 394.  It had
>single exhaust.  I guess it had a Turbohydromatic...3 speeds whatever it was
>(350, 400?).  Very little rust...a little under the doors is all I could
>find that was significant. I didn't talk with the owner, but the sign said
>$4700...a decent price according to the Old Car Price Guide.  

Aaron,

The car would have had a "Hydra-Matic."  Oldsmobile hadn't
brought out the "Turbo-Hydramatic" yet.  This car was one of the last to
have the undesirable shift quadrant P-N-D-2-L-R with reverse at the
far end of the shifter's throw, adjacent to a forward gear.  


Dan

************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:31:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

At 09:55 PM 9/8/96 -0300, you wrote:

>
><< air bag, and a time delay interior light and door lock
> illuminator.  Too bad it was never taken care of.  I don't think any of
> that stuff is especially rare,  >>
>
>Are you sure it had an air bag.  That would qualify as especially rare to me.
> There aren't too many times I like use the term rare, but this would be one
>of them.  

Olds DID offer airbags back then.  It was an option on my '75 Delta 88 in
all models except the convertible.  But Olds didn't call it an "air bag"
back then.
It was referred to as the "Air Cushion Restraint System."   You would know
if the car has it, because the steering wheel spoke would be the size of a 
small
pilllow, rather than the relatively narrow crossbar a steering wheel usually
has.


************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
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From: Rocketeer <bparker@nmsu.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:15:57 -0300
Subject: '66 Buick GS

Does anyone out there know anyone interested in a nice rust free
and cheap '66 Buick GS hardtop?. Drop me a line for details.

Boyd Parker (aka Rocketeer)            __|__
                                      |  |  |  Why drive just a car...
1966 4-speed Cutlass Convertible      |  |  |  when you can ride a rocket !
1970 4-4-2 Convertible                |  |  |
                                      | /|\ |
                                      |/ | \|
                                      |__|__|
                                         |

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 09:38:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

At 10:10 PM 9/8/96 -0300, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-09-08 15:38:46 EDT, you write:
>
><< Just two years short of being able to buy a '98 98.
>  >>
>
>Maybe you should look for an '88 88.

I thought of that, but it isn't quite the same, because you were buying an
'88 DELTA 88, not exactly the same as an '88 88.  With the 98, all it
was called was "98."  It was in more recent years, I believe, that Olds
dropped the "Delta" and just started calling it the "88."  And if you look
closely at these cars, the 88 is now spelled out on the car, as in
"Eighty-Eight."

>
>BTW, now that Chrysler has stopped the New Yorker and Olds the 98, does
>anyone know what the next-longest surviving name plate would be?  These two
>were the longest running, 1939 & '41 respectively.  Caprice is gone now too.
> That was another long running one.

Maybe it could be the Cutlass?  That's been around since 1961, and I don't 
think
Olds is discontinuing it, even though they're bringing out new model names in
the coming years.  Some of the Buick names (Special, Skylark, Regal, Riviera)
have been around a while, too.  But I don't know if Buick is still making all 
of
these (I believe they ARE still making the Riviera).


Dan


************************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
************************************************

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:33:11 -0300
Subject: reclining bucket seat

I have a question for the knowledgable. When was a reclining bucket passenger 
seat offered in a Cutlass? I have one, but never knew if it applied to a '70 
Cutlass.
The reason for this question is that I looked at a buddy's 70 Ram air IV 
Pontiac 
and there is a documented passenger reclining bucket.  He said they offered 
this 
option for only 4 or 5 months.
My bucket, I was told, came out of an A body Buick of approximately the same 
vintage. If it is proper for a '70 I will put it in the frame off I'm doing.
Come on all you experts, help me out.

Art Fuller

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:36:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights????????

>  1996 will perhaps be the last year for this name, with the demise
> of the full-size RWD Cadillac, unless of course they repackage a FWD
> model for '97, as had been done from '86 to '92.
>   
> Kevin Wong 
> 
> 
> 

No, I think the Fleetwood moniker will be alive and well for '97...
However, the name "Brougham", which has been applied to all RWD Caddys
since '86 or so -- that was the model name of my '88, FWIW -- might be
retired.  There were "Fleetwood Broughams", as well as plain ol' "Fleetwood
Sedans", which are the FWD ones.

I've also heard that Cadillac has stockppiled a whole buncha Brougham RWD
platforms to kkep the limousine and hearse manufacturers happy for the next
several years, so p'haps the name ain't dead yet...



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, nickname yet to be determined
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: "AUVAX7::RILES" <RILES%AUVAX7.decnet@auscam.amd.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:56:00 -0300
Subject: Wiper Problems

Hello Olds Owners,

I am having problems with the wipers on my '71 Cutlass Convertible.

Ever since I've owned the car (1 year), the wipers would work fine, but 
wouldn't 
shut off all the time.  I would usually just let them run a while, then they 
would shut off when I put the switch in the "off" position.  Now they won't 
shut 
off at all.  I found a switch out of another '71 that was demonstrated to me 
to 
be good.  I installed it and it does the same thing.  Here is the catch.  When 
I 
remove the switch and just let it dangle, not touching any metal (not 
grounded), 
it works fine!  If I reinstall it, the problem reappears.  Here's an 
observation...there is a loose orange wire with a female plug on it that comes 
from the same bundle as the wire (also orange) that attaches to the courtesy 
light under the steering wheel.  Should this wire be attached to something?  
All 
other electrical systems on the car work fine, although the blinkers blink 
very 
slowly and the headlights are not all that bright.  

Any ideas?

Thanks,
Robert Iles
'71 Cutlass Convertible

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:03:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Ignition switch for Ninety Eight 1964 (4DHT Holiday Sports Sedan) 

>I badly need an ignition switch for my olds. The current switch was burned
by >an IDIOT who put a pair of high-wattage halogen-headlamps and didn't put a
>light relay. This burned the switch AND some wires in my harness as well.

I read this post and the other one you wrote just now, and I do not
understand this. First of all, the sealed beam headlamps your car had
originally and the halogen headlamps it has now are not very different;
in fact, I have an idea that the halogen sealed beam headlamps may draw
slightly less power than the original tungsten bulbs. But in any case,
we routinely do that replacement here in the U.S. and wiring changes
are not required.

Second, unless your ignition switch is significantly different than the
usual switch, your headlamps are not wired through it anyway. (Apologies
if they are wired through the switch for 1964 cars; I'm not familiar
with a design like that.)

I thought you might have been referring to the headlight switch and not
the ignition switch until you mentioned that a missing key is not a
problem. Maybe we need a bit more detail here?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 12:15:59 -0300
Subject: Re: reclining bucket seat 

          I know that the reclining bucket was an option on 66-67
          Cutlass and 442 models.  I have the 66 factory service
          manual which details the units.  I didn't think they were
          offered in the Olds A-bodies as late as 1970, but this list
          has taught me that I don't know everything.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 14:18:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Buick/Olds 

Mike Hall wrote:
> 
> Hmmmm, that's funny, I haven't met a Rustang yet that I haven't
> beaten...BADLY!

Jeramy,

See?  Told ya.   ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 10:12:04 -0300
Subject: Congratulations, Doug Ahern! 

(...whom I actually haven't heard from recently, but anyway...)

Doug's Virtual Junkyard web page gets a nice mention in the latest
issue of Car & Driver magazine this month. Take a look for yourself
at his junkyard web page at

http://www.cosmic.uga.edu/doug/vjy-page.html

P.S. No mention of the Olds page yet.  :-(

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:28:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Buick/Olds

> Hey, I named my daughter Electra - Olds just didnt have anything 'suitable'
> - well, Starfire would be a bit 60's -   I consider Buicks a GM cousin.

Well, you could have named her 98.  She probably could get a nice
government job with CONTROL.

- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:32:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Buick/Olds

> Sorry but my 460 "Police Cruiser" Mustang could take any of yer 
> "old"smobiles...  heehee

Okey-dokey...

Let's see who can get 6 people and two coolers to a tailgate party
faster...

- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

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From: hitson@leadbelt.com (Roger Hitson)
Date: Thu, 5 Sep 1996 23:53:29 -0300
Subject: carburetor source

A local carburetor shop has an astounding collection of rebuilt, old 
carburetors. If anybody is looking for a particular original carburetor, I 
would check for availability & price.

Roger Hitson
hitson@leadbelt.com

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 15:32:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Condensors, Was: Thanks Folks

Spud wrote:
> 
> I'm wondering if getting the condensor out of the distributor will 
> lengthen its life, since it's mighty hot in there.

Interesting idea.  We *are* talking some pretty ancient technology here. 
I'd be good fun to redesign an ignition system.

> Could there be a secondary, deleterious effect doing so?

Prolly.  I'm sure they didn't design it in the circuit because somebody 
had a brother-in-law who manufactured capacitors.   ;)

Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Sep 1996 21:48:51 -0300
Subject: Barrie Swap Meet details

Well, the day after is always reserved for the sharing of details. For those 
of you who are not 
familiar with Ontario's geography, Barrie is a small (not that small) located 
about 60 Km noth 
of Toronto. In fact the fair grounds is noth of Barrie, but since Barrie is 
the closets it's 
called the Barrie Swap meet. Also, since most people from Barrie do attend. 
This swap meet is 
not only a car thing, in fact people bring just about anything you can get 
your hands on. 
Mostly junk, although the swap meet is mainly concerned with automobile 
auctions and auto 
parts. The show is about 85-90% ch*vy and the rest, what ever shows up at the 
front doors. That 
includes us oldsmobile pesants. Anyway decided to go on Saturday. Woke up to 
rain but decided 
to go anyway. The moring was rainy however the afternoon yielded some relief 
and some serious 
searching was done. For the details that concerns us, here's what I found: 
(all funds in $Cdn)

Saw a pair of 455 C heads that were going for $260. Not sure if that was a 
good deal. I saw 
quite a bit of bumpers from 68-72 rearand front but didn't ask for pricing. 
One guy had the 
best looking Hurst dual gate that I have seen in years, ever. All parts 
included, even the 
chrome sliding plate and the cable. Asking $450. He also had a '71-'72 W-25 
OAI hood that had 
the lower lip rust repaired, asking $1000, don't think so. Onward...Next guy 
had a few parts of 
everything. Most small pieces. One thing caught my eye, a tri-power intake 
painted gold, why 
not sure, anybody know? Anyway time for lunch people waiting at my door, don't 
want to be lynch 
 so I'll continue this in about 1-hour.

- -- 
Regards
Fernando Proietto

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:11:22 -0300
Subject: Re: salvage yard find update

Unfortunately my dad already has them sold to one of his friends, so he
says. I should have told him they were J heads and I wanted to take them off
for paperweights. I wanted to take them to the local swap meet at the end of
the month but there is a guy around here that drag races early 80's
Cutlass's and jumped at the chance to get them. Next ones I don't tell him
about...:)

At 12:02 AM 9/9/96 -0300, Mike Hall wrote:
>Jason Labay wrote:
>>I double
>>checked both heads casting numbers and these are indeed "F" heads. Should
>>command a good chunk of change at a swap meet? Moral of the story: Check
>>under all hoods, even Yugo's...never know what might be lurking under there:)
>
>
>Ummmm, you want to sell those to a good standing member of the Olds 
>newslist? What does a "good chunk" mean, anyway?
>
>
>Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
>E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
>The Oldsmobile Stable:    
>     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
>     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
>
>
>
>
>

________________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
Grad Student in Sports Administration at Kent State University
1988 Iroc Z/28	1974 Buick Riveria Stage I 455
1980 4-4-2 W-30	1975 Hurst/Olds W-25
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------------------

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:24:55 -0300
Subject: Re: salvage yard find update

>Hmmm, genuine W-30 heads in an early-80's 4-door Cutlass; I've heard that
>people are asking for $1000 for a set of these things (getting that much,
>however, is another matter...). 

So I hear. Dad alraedy has the engine sold to a guy who drag races
Cutlass's. Hasn't told me a price but I hope at least $500. Should have told
him it was a J head 455 and took the F ones for myself....this is when
honesty bites:)
>
>Searching for a parts carb the other week, I looked under the hood of an
>early-80's 2-dr CS, and was surprised to see the "260" under the hood with a
>Quadrajet. I looked at the heads, expecting a #"10" or something, but
>instead saw "J". Huh, I thought, someone put smogger-455 heads on a 260
>block, for about 6:1 compression. It was only *then* that I noticed how wide

No doubt. Once found a 454 tucked away in an S-10, never got a chance to
fire that one up though. Actually we are starting to get alot of those
engine swap cars or cars that can't pass emission's tests. Testing started
in NE Ohio this year. Some people are too scared to take a car with a
different engine to get tested, afraid the FBI will get them or something:)


>Great find, though. You should check back with "Gramps" and see what _else_
>he has lying around in that garage ("Yeah, the slots in this fiberglass hood
>I screwed to the wall make great holders for my rakes and shovels; Oh, no,
>you can't have that 455 crank, it's the last one I've got- these forged ones
>make great anchors for my fishing boat, but they keep getting snagged on
>weeds so I've had to cut loose the last five when that's happened...")

Plan on doing that. He lives on a farm so there is the possibility of cars
stored in barns???

________________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
Grad Student in Sports Administration at Kent State University
1988 Iroc Z/28	1974 Buick Riveria Stage I 455
1980 4-4-2 W-30	1975 Hurst/Olds W-25
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----------------------

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From: Daniel Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 13:17:07 -0300
Subject: RE: Oldsmobile Ninety Eights???????? 

>>
>>mine is a base model 5 door.   ;)
>>
>>
>I understand now... I almost bought a 71 CB 98 ambulance back in 84 when i
>was in high school, but my folks would not allow it in their driveway or on
>their street. It was too bad that car shure would have looked great nest to
>my 55 super 88 and 71 98... Parents who can figure..... 
>Chuck Noppe 
>
it was my mom who told me about it and gave me the extra money I needed to buy
the car! parents don't get much cooler than that.



Dan Dale daleds@okra.millsaps.edu http://www.millsaps.edu/~daleds/index.html 
cars: 1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Endloader, 1966 Pontiac GTO, 1973  
Imperial LeBaron, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X, 1955 Cadillac Seville, 1969  
Cadillac DeVille Convertibles (2), 1976 Cadillac Series 75 Fleetwood Brougham
1961 Imperial Custom, 1973 Buick Riviera                                     

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 11:17:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting -Reply

The below info is correct, the "S" does stand for Sport.  The Cutlass "S" 
was designed to be a inexpensive version of the 442.  Complete with Sports 
hood, trim package, and nearly identical interior.  Of course you don't get 
those 400 cubes (in the old models), and all the fancy bonuses of the 442 
package, unless it was specially ordered.

Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible



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From: oldsmobile
Subject: Re: Another Olds Movie Car Sighting -Reply
Date: Monday, September 09, 1996 7:28AM

On Sun, 8 Sep 1996 PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:
> Cutlass Supreme were the top of the line models, available as a 
convertible,
> hardtop coupe (with a notchback roofline), or hardtop sedan.

I don't think there was a notchback coupe in '68 or '69.

> The Cutlass S
> (as in Sport?), was available only as a hardtop coupe or a Sports coupe 
(with
> window pillars), both with a fastback roofline.

Don't forget the "S" convertible...

> Cutlass models were the
> lower priced entry (carpeting was an option in the coupe) and was 
available
> as only a hardtop coupe (fastback) and a sedan.  The F-85 was available 
only
> as a sedan and was the next best thing to a taxi cab - everything was
> optional.  The 442 was an option package available on the Cutlass Supreme
> convertible, either Cutlass S coupe model, or the Cutlass coupe.

Pre '68 and '72 and later, the 4-4-2 was an option package; in between it
was a separate model.

> Paul

Must have been late when you posted this, not your usual gold-star
quality, Paul... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 00:07:19 -0300
Subject: Barrie Swap Meet details cont'd

O.K. I'm back. To continue the details on the Barrie swap meet. Enough of the 
little stuff, lets 
get to the cars aspect.

There are two parts to this swap meet. The vendors parts that sell every 
andanything under the 
sky and the car aution portion. As you enter the first thing you see are the 
cars parked in a 
field (mind you the entire meet takes place in a field) parking lot style. A 
'72  Cutalss S, 
colour 81 bamboo biege caught my eye. Went over and the are had writing in the 
window. Alberta 
car asking $3400 for a 350/350TH ps,pb car with little to no apparent rust. 
Walked some more and 
noticed one other in the field of, let's say 200-300 cars. Didn't even bother 
as oldsmobile was 
not a strong contender here. My reasoning is either, these are such great cars 
that anyone who 
owns one wants to keep it, or those who do own them are too stupid to sell 
them. You guess. 
After that quivk viewing on to the vendors market, on the other side. Along 
with the parts being 
sold there were a few cars being peddle as well. A '70 Cutlass with 442 and 
W-30 emblems and 
W-30 gold paint stripping, green with a green vynl top. Not bad huh..if not 
for the 350 in the 
engine bay and the W-30 emblem being plastic. And get this, the paint shop put 
these on even 
thought the owners requested not to do so. What a load of B.S. Sell for 
$12000, I don't think 
soooooo. Next, a '72 plain jane Cutlass, gold hardtop saddle interior with 
craigar rims. 
350/350TH. Underneath the hood it was spotless. Almost looked like a brand new 
hood. Didn't know 
you could still get them brand new. The hood was the best part of the car. 
Itwas for sale and as 
a bonus for buying the gold car you also get a '72 442 with 455/400TH a/c'd 
parts car. The thing 
was rotted out atleast 6" from the bottom completely. Sort of looked liek it 
had been sitting 6" 
in a bog all it's life. The hood was missing but the rest of it was there. It 
also had SSI rims, 
oddly enough not the correct type but I guess they put them on so they could 
atleast get it on 
the car trailer. I'm sure this was a nice car once. The deal was that they 
wanted to sell the 
other '72 Cutlass first at the auction. And who ever bought it got the choice 
of buying the 
parts car if so desired. If it didn't sell then they were both up for sale 
individually. The 
parts car got more attention then the fixed up Cutlass, mainly for it's parts. 
Damn, didn't look 
to see what heads it had. But I did get a look at the VIN #. It had a U in it. 
What does that 
mean, quick someone look it up!! Anyway that's when it started to rain and I 
called it a day. If 
you want to details drop me a line.
- -- 
Regards
Fernando Proietto

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Sep 1996 16:36:40 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Qjet Choke Question, maybe more... 

I had a similar problem a while back.  Diagnosed it to two things: vacuum 
break 
or choke coil.  Replacing the break didn't work.  The choke coil did the trick 
though.  Probably a good replacement for any engine that's running "funny" 
with 
an original unit.  Always thought they would go 1 million miles!  About $9 US 
- 
quite a bit for a spring still used on 99 billion vehicles.

The car would start fine when cold, but until warmed (5 mins) would hesitate 
under load.

PS.  If you don't like the new coil's cheesy dial sticker, pry off the old and 
new dials and swap.

David Brown          OCA #27978         (312) 702-9157
    Check out: www.442.com      www.oldsmobile.com
               FAQ version 2.0 due soon!

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