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oldsmobile-digest         Saturday, 17 August 1996      Volume 01 : Number 270


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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:13:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Flow Master Mufflers (recommendations on a *quiet* perfomance 
muffler?) 

At 09:17 PM 8/16/96 -0400, you wrote:
>John Harris wrote:
>> I want your opinions on Flow Masters.  One guy already said that he
>> thought 2 chamber Flow Masters were too loud for street use.
[snip]
>I have a set of 3 chamber Flowmasters on my '68 442 w/455.  It is a 
>little quieter but it still does a nice job of waking the neighbors 
>up in the morning! :)

This brings up a question I've been pondering lately...

What can you do if the 3 chamber mufflers would still be too loud? The
former 403 on my Electra needed a performance sound, since it didn't have
any real performance. Now that I have real performance, I'd like to be a
little more subtle (yes, and I'm waking neighbors; with three of my
neighbors about to give birth to babies, a rumpity-rump cam and
"performance" tone exhaust won't make me really popular 'round here).

What I'd like, then, is a 2 1/2" low-restriction muffler with a quieter
tone; any suggestions? Size is no problem; the muffler hump is pretty good
sized, so would a "Hemi" muffler fit the bill? What have people's
experiences with Supertrap mufflers been?

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

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From: spud@kudonet.com (Spud)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:28:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Sagging headliner help 

>A rather cheap and very reliable fix for the sagging headliner is to 
>replace the rubber backed cloth with short loop indoor/outdoor carpet.

Reminds me of a tip, here, for the cerebrally disinclined.  Use *new*
carpet.  I did something akin to this on the headliner of a '47 Chevy pickup
I had for a summer.  I used old carpet and had a constant rain of dirt the
whole time I was hanging it and every time I went over a big bump or went
into a hole.  Ahh, youth.

>It actually looks pretty good!
>
>David Brown 

Mine did, too, now that you mention it.


Spud     "Fart proudly."
'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
'73 Delta 88
'79 LeBaron

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From: spud@kudonet.com (Spud)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:27:57 -0300
Subject: Re: The RIGHT tool for the job 

You're welcome.  It's a good feeling to put something back in on occassion.

>Thanks you very much!  My order is being made today so I can retire a 
>couple of screwdrivers!.  Finally a complete set without having to spend $8 
>per stinking tool!
>
>David Brown 
>---------------
>I saw a door panel tool in Eastwood's catalog that is a part of a set of
>three for trim, window cranks, window trim, windshield molding clips and
>door panels.  $11 for the set, P/N 5619. 800-345-1178 or
>http://www.eastwoodco.com.
>
>Spud


Spud     "Fart proudly."
'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
'73 Delta 88
'79 LeBaron

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:45:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Transmission gear ratio

According to my book a 2-speed Turbo Hydro-Matic had these gears in a 69 442:

first        : 2.48
second: 1.48
third       : 1.00
reverse: 2.08

At 01:13 PM 8/16/96 -0300, John Harris wrote:
>Folks
>
>I was looking at Bowlings automotive calculator.  I wanted to see what
>changing rear gears would do to my rpms at 60 mph.  However the program
>requires the final gear ratio of the transmission.  Do any of you know
>the final gear ratio of a Turbo-Hydramatic in a 1969 442?
- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1980 4-4-2 W-30....1 of 886 produced                                       
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25....H/OCA #0278A            
1988 Camaro IROC Z-28
- -------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:45:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Flow Master Mufflers

I have a 3 chamber on my Z/28. Kind of quiet at idle but really loud when
you are on the gas. I ordered a new muffler for my 80 442 called the
Terminator by Flowtech. From the reviews Ihave read it sounds meaner and a
little louder for street use. The 2 chamber flowmaster is a loud muffler and
it definitely sounds meaner, but if your car is only driven once and awhile
I would go for the 2 chamber. Dynomax's are quieter and not as mean
sounding. If you want to spend alot of money the Borla's are very nice
sounding mufflers

At 04:39 PM 8/16/96 -0300, John Harris wrote:
>Folks
>
>I want your opinions on Flow Masters.  One guy already said that he
>thought 2 chamber Flow Masters were too loud for street use.  
>
>I have a 69 442 with 2.25 inch exhaust pipes.  I was thinking of using 2
>chamber Flow Masters.  What do the rest of you think?  I will not drive
>this car much, just on weekends etc..
>
>John Harris
>
>
>
- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1980 4-4-2 W-30....1 of 886 produced                                       
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25....H/OCA #0278A            
1988 Camaro IROC Z-28
- -------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 23:56:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Flow Master Mufflers (recommendations on a *quiet*  perfomance 
muffler?)

I would definitely consider either Dynomax or Borla mufflers. Every Dynomax
I have heard did not have much noise. Borla's are quiet at idle but are alot
louder than a 2 chamber flowmaster at wide open throttle. A 94 Z/28 roams
around here with a Borla. You hear a nice mellow sound coming down the
street. Borla also makes mufflers with removeable plates to adjust for
noise. Four different plates ranging from a straight by-pass of the muffler
to a real quiet restricted plate. A little steep though...$589 from
Summit....that buys a lifetime warranty also

>What I'd like, then, is a 2 1/2" low-restriction muffler with a quieter
>tone; any suggestions? Size is no problem; the muffler hump is pretty good
>sized, so would a "Hemi" muffler fit the bill? What have people's
>experiences with Supertrap mufflers been?
>
>-----------
>- Bob Barry
>- 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
>- 1978 Electra Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)
- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1980 4-4-2 W-30....1 of 886 produced                                       
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25....H/OCA #0278A            
1988 Camaro IROC Z-28
- -------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:01:31 -0300
Subject: Re: RUST - A Four Letter Word

	Does anyone have any info on POR 15 or a better (if there is one) 
rust killer/inhibitor?
        What is the operational difference between 14x6 and 14x7 wheels? 
(Other than an inch :-))


 "The Viking"
  PGP Public Key Available by E-Mail Request

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:30:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Northern Ohio Chapter Show 

In a message dated 96-08-16 11:11:08 EDT, you write:

<< Are you planning to attend the Northern Ohio Chapter OCA car show on the 
 25th?  For that matter, is anyone else planning to attend.  >>

As of now, looks like I'll be going with some folks from Western PA.  We'll
be going out Saturday and staying the night.  Any suggestions for a good
hotel in the area?

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:30:21 -0300
Subject: Re: OCA Nat's 

In a message dated 96-08-16 07:52:47 EDT, you write:

<< car I bought was in the swap meet area, and I think it was on the same 
 level as the 67. The vendor had a large white enclosed trailor, across from
Al 
 Sandy selling literature. I think it was also across from the young couple
in a 
 small travel trailor, selling t shirts with individual pictures of the
buyer's 
 car on the front. >>

You know, I can picture everything you're talking about except the wagon.
 Must have been that dual gate console at the t-shirt trailer kept getting my
attention.  I do remember seeing a "regular" wagon, but thought it was on the
show field.  Thought it was interesting that it wasn't a Vista Cruiser.  When
I saw it it was backing into a parking space on the side of the aisle you're
talking about.  Kind of think it was white, too.  That must be the one, as
I'm sure there weren't two.  From the distance I saw it, it looked real nice.

Paul

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:07:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Transmission gear ratio

At 11:45 PM 8/16/96 -0300, you wrote:
>According to my book a 2-speed Turbo Hydro-Matic had these gears in a 69 442:
>
>first        : 2.48
>second: 1.48
>third       : 1.00
>reverse: 2.08
>Jason Labay

You sure a two speed Turbo-Hydramatic has three forward gears?? ;)
 
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 19:36:55 -0300
Subject: Re: RUST - A Four Letter Word

The Viking wrote:
> 
>         Does anyone have any info on POR 15 or a better (if there is one)
> rust killer/inhibitor?
>        
>  "The Viking"
>   I used POR-15 on my 1962 Dodge last year at this time on the floor, 
tuunk, & wheels.  All were rusty w/the trunk Swiss-cheesed enough to 
require some fiber-glassing.  The wheels required much hand sanding 
which doesn't work as well as it looks.  Ssnd blasting is much better. 

I have no problem as yet.  Everything looks fine.  The floors & wheels 
were treated to a to rust inhibitative chemical put out by POR-15 & then 
painted w/2 coats of the black colored POR-15.  I put a color coat over 
the POR-15 of oridnary enamel paint.  I haven't had any chipping, 
separation, or signs of rust returning even though I know that I didn't 
get rid of all of the rust.

The POR-15 must be color coated as it will fade if left in the sun.  
Areas away from the sun will be just fine (such as the floors).  I 
painted over rust on an old gas pump w/POR-15 (1 coat) without any 
preparation & that seems to be doing fine except for the sun fading.  
The gas pump has set outside for the last 15 years & had no paint on it 
in recent years until last fall. I plan on chipping some paint off soon 
to see if it really is okay.  I suspect that Coreless (sp) is just as 
good.  

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: curly@sgi.net
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:48:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Flow Master Mufflers 

go with the flowmaster 2 chamber all the way..clearly the best sounding muffler

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From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 00:54:13 -0300
Subject: Re: OCA Nat's

As one of the members of the Dixie Chapter who hosted the NATS this year,  I 
hope everyone had a good time.  It takes a lot of work to put one of these on.
We had some minor problems, most were the result of the hotel making
commitments they could not meet, but otherwise I think it went rather well.
One thing nice about working at the show is you get to ride around in a golf 
cart!

I wonder if any of you got to check out my cars.  The old gold crusty 66 442
4 speed that was one row above the swap meet, and the 69 H/O?

Mike

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From: "Dink" <dink@infinet.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 20:47:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds Recovered

Sorry for the long delay, but I was out of town for a week, on a 
little vacation before school starts again.

> >How many miles does the 83 H/O have on it for $8000? I recently picked up

> Could someone send me the Email address of the guy who originally started
> the thread about an 83 H/O he was looking at for $8000. I must have trashed
> the original message.

That was me Dink.   It's Dink@infinet.com  I'll see the guy again 
tomarrow at the local car show.  I'll get numbers and specs.

Dink

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
Dink                 Brunswick, Ohio
http://www.infinet.com/~dink
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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 01:36:28 -0300
Subject: Re: OCA Nat's

Paul,
You probably saw me backing it into it's space after taking it out for a 
drive. 
There was not another flat top wagon there or I'm sure I would have seen it. 
Like I said, I've been looking for one to restore for several years.
Tommorrow morning I'm going to my buddy's shop and replace the springs and 
shocks. If I don't do that, I'll have to put rubber guards on the door handles 
so they don't scrape the pavement when turning corners. Might just go ahead 
and 
put boxed arms and sway bar.
Also, I will replace the timing chain. If you ever have one break going 70 
miles 
and hour, you'll always pull the front off and replace it. Peace of mind.

Art

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 05:09:32 -0300
Subject: Re: A GM Historical Moment... (Non-Olds)

>>"V - 8/6/4" motivating his kahoona.  
>
>Please describe this...is it a V8 that runs on 4, 6 or 8 cylinders depending
>use??  Sounds pretty lame..


I remember seeing these badges on some Caddy's when I was a boy.

"Lame" is probably a very, very nice way of how they really were...

These things didn't go in Olds did they?


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
         Brought to you by a Apple Power Macintosh 7100/80
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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From: DESIMONEP@aol.com
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 04:45:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Misc stuff Digest #267 

Hi Bob, I'm the crazy Calif guy who spent all the money on my cooling system
for my 68 conv. I have been spending so much money on the car that it doesn't
even matter anymore!! It does run wayyyyy COOL, I mean it sits at 170 degrees
in traffic with the a/c on high. The trans cooler with electric fan keeps the
trans temp on my TH-400 at a little over 100 degrees, and a second oil cooler
with electric fan keeps the oil temp down as well. I usually end up towing my
boat with it, and the a/c on high, I got tired of "almost" overheating.
Granted I went "just a little bit" overboard, but I'll never worry about my
engine temps again!!!!!!

After eating too much lasagna all my life the steering wheel without tilt has
been bugging me, I replaced it with a "removable" smaller diameter one.
GIVING MY ORIGINAL AWAY FOR FREE, EMAIL ME IF INTERESTED. I HAVE A PICTURE OF
IT.

Phil De Simone
desimonep@aol.com
1968 "S" Convertible

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 06:34:23 -0300
Subject: Re: A GM Historical Moment... (Non-Olds)

Mike Hall wrote:
> 
>
> >Please describe this...is it a V8 that runs on 4, 6 or 8 cylinders depending
> >use??  Sounds pretty lame..
> 
> I remember seeing these badges on some Caddy's when I was a boy.
> 
> "Lame" is probably a very, very nice way of how they really were...
> 
> These things didn't go in Olds did they?
> 
> 
> Michael R. Hall                                  

Mike:

Watch your mouth!

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 06:09:44 -0300
Subject: POR-15

At 07:36 PM 8/16/96 -0300, you wrote:
 rust inhibitative chemical put out by POR-15 & then 
>painted w/2 coats of the black colored POR-15.  I put a color coat over 
>the POR-15 of oridnary enamel paint.  
>Bill Culp

Where can I get this stuff??
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:25:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Northern Ohio Chapter Show

On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 96-08-16 11:11:08 EDT, you write:
> 
> << Are you planning to attend the Northern Ohio Chapter OCA car show on the 
>  25th?  For that matter, is anyone else planning to attend.  >>
> 
> As of now, looks like I'll be going with some folks from Western PA.  We'll
> be going out Saturday and staying the night.  Any suggestions for a good
> hotel in the area?
> 
> Paul
> 
> 

According to the show flier, their is a Comfort Inn at the rear of the 
mall.  Their phone number is (216) 821-5555.



Dan Gulino

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 14:32:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Northern Ohio Chapter Show

On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 96-08-16 11:11:08 EDT, you write:
> 
> << Are you planning to attend the Northern Ohio Chapter OCA car show on the 
>  25th?  For that matter, is anyone else planning to attend.  >>
> 
> As of now, looks like I'll be going with some folks from Western PA.  We'll
> be going out Saturday and staying the night.  Any suggestions for a good
> hotel in the area?
> 
> Paul
> 
> 

According to the show flier, there is a Comfort Inn at the rear of the 
mall.  Their phone number is (216) 821-5555.



Dan Gulino

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 1996 17:44:33 -0300
Subject: RE: Shifting

Just get a adjustable modulator valve and away you go

- ----------
From: 	Dave Paulison[SMTP:dpauliso@metrolink.net]
Sent: 	Friday, August 16, 1996 8:40 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Shifting

Is there a way to change the WOT shift point of the TH350 in my Olds?
Adjustable modulator (are they available)?  First to second is the only one
I want to change.  It currently shifts to second at 4000 rpm on WOT; I would
like to increase it by 300 or 400 rpm.
 
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: spud@kudonet.com (Spud)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:04:26 -0300
Subject: Re: RUST - A Four Letter Word 

I have no idea how it compares with POR 15, but Eastwood sells a product
made by  Carroless that is advertised as a rust inhibitor.  Pricey stuff
($16/pt., $24/qt.), but I've heard good things about it.  I have a pint can
that I've yet to use and is scheduled for use on the floor of my Delta's trunk.

As they say in the world of VWs, rust never sleeps.

>	Does anyone have any info on POR 15 or a better (if there is one) 
>rust killer/inhibitor?
>        What is the operational difference between 14x6 and 14x7 wheels? 
>(Other than an inch :-))
>
> "The Viking"


Spud     "Fart proudly."
'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
'73 Delta 88
'79 LeBaron

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:37:31 -0300
Subject: Re: POR-15

Dave Paulison wrote:
> 
> At 07:36 PM 8/16/96 -0300, you wrote:
>  rust inhibitative chemical put out by POR-15 & then
> >painted w/2 coats of the black colored POR-15.  I put a color coat over
> >the POR-15 of oridnary enamel paint.
> >Bill Culp
> 
> Where can I get this stuff??
> --
> Dave Paulison       

Dave:

I have gotten mine from:

	Poverty Flats
	Factory Warehouse
	125 Fairbanks Road
	Wausau, Wisconsin  54177
	PH 800-25-POR15

The stuff isn't very good sprayed.  It dries very hard & is difficult to 
get out of a gun.  It must be cleaned up immediately.  the 
thinner/solvent will only clean up the stuff within about an hour; 
usually more like 20-30 min.  I brushed mine each time, got a nice 
smooth shiny finish, & was ready to do other things in a couple of 
hours.  The brush was history as there was no way to get the paint out 
before drying.  It goes a long way - a quart did my complete floor 
twice.  It doesn't keep well after being opened - about a year or less 
depending on how you seal it.  It is moisture activated - moist days 
cause quicker drying.

I wouldn't order larger than you would use soon after opening it.  It 
comes in black & silver (works wonderfully on the backs of bumpers.  It 
is expensive; around $28-$30/qt.  My understanding that Coreless has the 
same limitations & price.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: William Ansell <wansell@lynx.dac.neu.edu>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 17:14:45 -0300
Subject: unsubscibe?

 I have been very bussy and I can't keep up with 
 the group.. how do I unsubscribe?
 Thank you,
 Bill

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:26:43 -0300
Subject: RE: Shifting

At 05:44 PM 8/16/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Just get a adjustable modulator valve and away you go

Who sells them?  Jeg's?  Fusicks?
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 10:28:43 -0300
Subject: Re: POR-15

At 11:37 AM 8/17/96 -0300, you wrote:

>
>I have gotten mine from:
>
>	Poverty Flats

>The stuff isn't very good sprayed. 
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>
Thanks for the address and info, Bill!!
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: urbanch@magi.com (Chris Urban)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:06:42 -0300
Subject: RE: Shifting 

Jeg's should if not try Summit or any other high perf place.


>At 05:44 PM 8/16/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>Just get a adjustable modulator valve and away you go
>
>Who sells them?  Jeg's?  Fusicks?
>--
>Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
>dpauliso@metrolink.net
>
>
>
>

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From: mike <h07@earthlink.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:09:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Build Sheet Location Help 

Before taking your car apart looking for the build sheet, I
would suggest that you try locating the build sheet in several
other cars of the same model and model year, and *** built at the
same assembly plant ***, at the wrecking yard first.  This should
identify possible locations and eliminate others.  Furthermore,
you can familiarize yourself on how to access the build sheet
without causing any damage.

Once you locate the build sheet, you might consider placing a
photocopy of it in the original location, for a future owner.

I found the build sheet for my '79 Starfire under the floor
carpet behind the front passenger seat.

Has anyone ever found a build sheet in a Ste. Therese built car?

Mike
'79 Starfire GT
 

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From: Blair Rendell <brendell@pi.pro.ec>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 19:10:56 -0300
Subject: 442s and other flying objects 

>Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:57:15
>To: Olds 442s
>From: Blair Rendell <brendell@pi.pro.ec>
>Subject: 442s and other flying objects
>
>Hello from Quito, Ecuador in South America! I am Canadian from the province
of  Newfoundland (Iceberg Alley) and am new to this mailing list. I work
here in Ecuador and am an OLDS fanatic since age 14 in 1971 (yeesh..thats a
long time ago!) when I saw my first W30, a 442 Convertible 4 speed, current
year 1971..new.. I remembered asking my brother why it made the funny
"whining" sound from the transmission as we watched it go by....it was...as
I found out later to be the distinctive sound of the "rockcrusher" M22 close
ratio transmission, that came with the W30 package in those years. Wow...I
was in love...what a machine..top down...sunny, warm day, the dual trumpets
out the back bumper with the rumbling sound of the 455ci engine! This was in
my hometown of Gander, Newfoundland...I we were on summer
holidaze....Well..7yrs later..Sept '78...I went looking for this car..and
found it in a backyard of a house in Glenwood..about 15 mins from
Gander..and it was for sale! It was still original paint and showing 42,000
miles. The exhaust tailpipe and muffler were down on one side so I wired it
up to take it for a test drive.. It started after being primed and the
owners' wife came along with me around the block for a drive. When I heard
again that transmission sound, grabbed the factory Competition Plus Hurst
shifter to go into 2nd, and felt the tremendous amount of Torque under my
right foot....( I was driving a 1968 Mustang auto, 289ci. slight
difference), I said to myself: I don't care HOW much she wants for this
car..I AM BUYING IT!
>So we went back to the house and I asked the question: Ahhh...ho,how much?
>To which she replied: Well we WERE looking for 1500$...I said OK..ah I'll
give you 1200$ tomorrow..she accepted!!! But of course 1978 was just before
people realized the value of these Muscle Cars..Cars like those could be had
for "song and a dance" But I was VERY lucky.
> So all I did was put a tailpipe on the right side and a battery, oil
change, grease, and drove it for 10,000 miles. Stored it in the winter and
kept it in good shape. I was finding out more about it over the years..such
as; only 110 convertibles with W30 were built in 1971..then I found out..of
these 110, only 32 were 4 speeds..OK....and a recent article mentioned that
there are only 6 known to exist..including mine..?? I don't know.,yet.
(anybody have info on this please?)
>  I have all the GM documentation for it from the GM historical records and
it shows the option list: W30..M22..Dual disc clutch!...posi...convienience
group..8-track...frnt/rear bumper guards..PW..PS..standard disk
brakes..SS1's..hood lock..tinted glass..sienna interior..burnt orange
exterior..with black W30 stripes..and parchment(off white) top.
>   Living in the land of RUST..I decided to do a complete body off frame
restification..Everything was removed from the frame and it was sandblasted
and repainted in the GM accent black..as was the underside of the car after
some minor rust repair. The rear quarters were replaced(NOS) as were 2 new
doors and trunk lid. It is now back on its frame with suspension mods: all
new polygraphite bushings and PST springs. Drivetrain is rebuilt and ready
to install. Of course it will be stock appearance but with some modern
upgrades in the handling dept. Also the engine is putting out a bit more HP.
Compression to 10.5 and '70 stick cam.
>   Car will be DRIVEN on nice days. I am looking forward to cruising next
summer and giving my brothers' 1968 Shelby GT 500 convertible a run for his
$$$. ;)
>I just don't know WHERE he got off course...FORD!!...we have many
disscussions over this...
>   Well, I thought I would share this story with you all to introduce
myself here and hope that I can get some feedback from other Cutlass/442
owners. Over the last 18yrs I have learned a bit about these cars and I have
a lot yet that I want to know. Especially when it comes time to reassemble!
Also am looking fwd to helping out with questions from fellow enthusiasts. 
> Happy Oldsmobiling!!!  
>
>                                                          Blair Rendell
>

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 15:20:18 -0300
Subject: Re: 442s and other flying objects

Blair Rendell wrote:
>=20
> >Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:57:15
> >To: Olds 442s
> >From: Blair Rendell <brendell@pi.pro.ec>
> >Subject: 442s and other flying objects
> >
> >Hello from Quito, Ecuador in South America! I am Canadian from the pro=
vince
> of  Newfoundland=20
> > Happy Oldsmobiling!!!
> >
> >                                                          Blair Rendel=
l
> >

Blair:

Welcome.  That is a wonderful story about a wonderful car.  I have a=20
1968 442 convertible w/4-speed & so can appreciate your sense of=20
exhileration.  Good luck in Equador.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama USA
- --=20
MZ=90

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From: ar713@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Linda Zuccaro)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 21:24:05 -0300
Subject: FS:  1984 H/O in Ohio

Not my car........

1984 H/O, rebuilt 307, high output, T-tops, Air,
AM/FM radio, 6-way power drivers seat, factory 3:73
posi, lightning rod shifters  $8,500

Contact Bob at [330] 757-9974 

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 22:43:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Transmission gear ratio

Yea, I should have caught that. I just copied it straight from the
book....Guess my college education isn't working.

At 05:07 PM 8/16/96 -0300, Dave Paulison wrote:
>At 11:45 PM 8/16/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>According to my book a 2-speed Turbo Hydro-Matic had these gears in a 69 442:
>>
>>first        : 2.48
>>second: 1.48
>>third       : 1.00
>>reverse: 2.08
>>Jason Labay
>
>You sure a two speed Turbo-Hydramatic has three forward gears?? ;)
> 
>--
>Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
>dpauliso@metrolink.net
>
>
>
>
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Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1980  4-4-2 W-30....1 of 886 produced                                       
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25....H/OCA #0278A            
1988 Camaro IROC Z-28
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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 22:43:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Northern Ohio Chapter Show

That number is wrong. It should be 330-821-5555.


>According to the show flier, their is a Comfort Inn at the rear of the 
>mall.  Their phone number is (216) 821-5555.
>
>
>
>Dan Gulino
>
>
>
>
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Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1980  4-4-2 W-30....1 of 886 produced                                       
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25....H/OCA #0278A            
1988 Camaro IROC Z-28
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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 22:53:57 -0300
Subject: last year of 8-track? 

Anybody know the last year of the 8-track player installed in Olds cars? My
80 442 has the original 8-track player in it and it works suprisingly.
- -------------------------------------------------------------------
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1980  4-4-2 W-30....1 of 886 produced                                       
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25....H/OCA #0278A            
1988 Camaro IROC Z-28
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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 18:03:44 -0300
Subject: Re: last year of 8-track?

> 
> Anybody know the last year of the 8-track player installed in Olds cars? My
> 80 442 has the original 8-track player in it and it works suprisingly.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Jason Labay  

Jason:

I would have never guessed they were installed that late.  My '73 had 
one & I thought that was late.  Of course in AL I never used all 8 
tracks as the trains never ran on time anyway.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Todd Hall <thall@en.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 23:27:54 -0300
Subject: Re: 442s and other flying objects 

At 07:10 PM 8/17/96 -0300, you wrote:

>>Hello from Quito, Ecuador in South America! 

Blair, 

Glad to meet ya! Always room for another Oldshead.

BTW: Nice, Nice car.

J. Todd Hall
Cleveland, OH
1972 4-4-2

"If you ever drop your keys into a river of flowing lava, let 'em go,
cause man...there gone"
					- Jack Handey

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