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oldsmobile-digest          Monday, 5 August 1996       Volume 01 : Number 257


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From: spud@kudonet.com (Spud)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:54:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Exhaust Manifold Locks 

Tom -

Forawrd me the addresses of these company's so I can order catalogs from
them.  I in a catalog collecting mode right now.

>     Don't I remember seeing a stud kit in either Mondello or Dave Smith's 
>     catalog for this purpose?
>     
>     Tom L.

Spud
'73 Delta 88

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From: spud@kudonet.com (Spud)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:54:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Exhaust Manifold Locks 

In defense of Chris, I'm the poster with exhaust problems.  I called the
local area (SF Bay area) dealers a few years back and the only dealer that
had even one in stock was in Napa.  No one else had any and none felt they
were available from the factory in any reasonable time frame, or at all,
even if they ordered them.

Does anyone have an answer to the proposition that the exhaust manifold
bolts have a special taper to them, making hardware store bolts an unworthy
investment?

>Chris,
>Just go to Oldsmobile and get some new locks for your exhaust bolts. They're 
>cheap.
>I used to safety wire all nuts on airplanes like you're talking about. You
would 
>also need a special set of pliers to do that. 
>
>Art Fuller

Spud
'73 Delta 88

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From: spud@kudonet.com (Spud)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 12:54:34 -0300
Subject: Re: CA Smog Regs 

There used to be a fixed $ amount.  That has changed and now there is a
tiered scale on the max. amount you have to spend, depending on the age of
the car.  I don't remember the figures right now, but they probably aren't
too hard to find.

There are, however, experimental continuing surveilance things going on.  In
San Jose, I've seen the set up: it's like a large video camera that does
some sort of on the spot spectroscopic evaluation of exhaust gasses; if your
tailpipe is over the limit, it snaps a photo of your car/license plate and
you supposedly get some notice in the mail to fix the car.  I don't know
just what power the agency has or what legal ramifications there are for
ignoring the notice.

>My understanding of CA smog regs is that the equipment which was delivered
>on the car has to be there and functioning as original now. If not, you get
>to spend up to $500 for any old kind of klugey fix then off to a referre 
>station.
>
>chris fair
Spud     "Fart proudly."
         --Benjamin Franklin

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From: kdporter@midwest.net (kdporter)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 13:57:20 -0300
Subject: rallye 350

i have one of those loud sebring yellow rallye350. i have the original build
sheet that has paint code 51 upper 51 lower,but my vin plate has the "--"
for the paint code. i have not seen another rallye 350 with out the code 51
on the vin. has anybody else seen a rallye without the 51 on the vin.
another question i also have a 67 cutlass conv that has a 330, 320
horsepower red car red int. red top it is also a a/c car this car is for
sale it is in poor condition but can be restored. if any body is interested
reply or email me

                
         thank you


kdporter
Preferred Company
kdporter@midwest.net

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From: kdporter@midwest.net (kdporter)
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 13:59:50 -0300
Subject: rallye 350

i have one of those loud sebring yellow rallye350. i have the original build
sheet that has paint code 51 upper 51 lower,but my vin plate has the "--"
for the paint code. i have not seen another rallye 350 with out the code 51
on the vin. has anybody else seen a rallye without the 51 on the vin.
another question i also have a 67 cutlass conv that has a 330, 320
horsepower red car red int. red top it is also a a/c car this car is for
sale it is in poor condition but can be restored. if any body is interested
reply or email me

                
         thank you


kdporter
Preferred Company
kdporter@midwest.net

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 17:14:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Lettering and Graphics

Peg O'Connor wrote:
> 
> > I trust ink jets will work the same?

> Nope.  Inkjet printers "spray" ink onto the paper and therefore will 
> not make a traceable pattern.

Huh?  I think you need to look at the original post, Peg.  There's no 
tracing involved here, just simple printing.  The idea is to print a 
mirrored graphics on the paper backing of continuous vinyl.  Many ink 
jets CAN do this; however, my first choice was and remains a dot matrix.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: DELPROPO@EMUVAX.EMICH.EDU
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 16:26:26 -0300
Subject: 70 350 Carb info

Does  anyone know what size and type of Holly 4brl carb will go onto a 70 350
with orriginal intake. If possible, a part number of the carb would be very
usefull.       Thanks   Greg Del   70 Cutlass Supreme   Mich...

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From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 18:06:51 -0300
Subject: 1965 Body Tag Info... 

I have a '65 442 that recently has had some bodywork done to it.  For 
some unknown reason,the body-guy removed the body tag (NOT the VIN, 
thank God!) from the firewall, and lost it.  I have a picture of the 
engine bay from before the work was done. Using my scanner at 2400dpi, 
I have been able to scan the tag in, and almost make it readable (it's 
a VERY smmall part of the picture) via image enhancement software.  

The following is what I THINK it says...


     1RG
ST   65-33837      LAN 7577   BODY
TR   950-3         R-C        PAINT
     0 825
     4T


The only thing I can read for sure is "65-33837", and the words "BODY" 
and "PAINT".  The paint code "R-C" I was able to decipher from the 
Chasis manual.

I have the Assembly, Chasis, & Body manuals for this car- None of which 
give an illustration of a body tag that even resembles the tag on my 
vehicle. The tag on the 442 is the same style as my '65 442 conv., and 
'65 Cutlass conv. So the odds of the missing tag being something out of 
the ordinary is rather slim.
  
I would appreciate any feedback on getting the CORRECT information for 
this vehicle- ie; Body trim, interior etc. codes, and their appropriate 
location(s) on the tag.  The '65 information published by GM I have is 
really applicable to '64.

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From: DELPROPO@emuvax.emich.edu
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:13:20 -0300
Subject: RE: 70 350 Carb info 

Sorry the car has an automatic trans in it .....Thanks

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From: RbtNeumann@aol.com
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 21:59:36 -0300
Subject: '36 two door 

Was taking the ski boat in for service and got to talking about cars with the
guy.  The guy let us into his personal garage to show us his new toy...a 58
Corvette in A1 condition, which just happen to be sitting beside a '39 John
Deere tractor and a Harley Sportster, both nearly mint.  Yet something lurked
underneath a cover back in the corner...finally he showed it to us.  A '36
Olds two door in excellent condition.  All original except black paint and
wheels and tires.  No rust on the whole thing and real solid, though a minor
tune up and new battery was needed.  Nice orig. interior too.  He said he'd
sell, the price?  Gasp!  Seemed really low, but I'm not gonna disclose it
until my father makes his mind up if he wants it or not.  If anyone is
interested, let me know, and I'll put some pressure on Pops to make up his
mind.  

- -Aaron

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 17:23:17 -0300
Subject: Re: 1968 400 C.I. engine

Craig Dobbins wrote:
> 
> EVERYONE (BIG PROBLEM AND QUESTION TO ENGINE GUYS, PLEASE READ ALL),
> 
>    I am a newer owner of a '68 442 convertable.  It has matching #'s (the
> original 400 engine, has auto trans. of course).  My question is to all of
> you:  --
> Before the $2-3000 paint job goes on, should I yank the engine and go over it
> totally (bearings, high volume oil pump, new rings or possibly bore 30 over
> with new pistons and rings -- to go along with the head job and gasket job).
> OR, should I just leave the engine in for now, do a in-compartment detail job
> myself,  I'm sick of being tossed back and forth between "pull
> it" and "wait".  I only drive it 1,500 miles per summer season.
> 
>                                         
>                                           Craig Dobbins
>                                         

Craig:

I have just taken care of & driven my cars.  I repair them as they need 
it & upgrade them as I have time & can afford it.  The problem w/taking 
a car apart is when to stop & well you ever get it back on the road to 
enjoy it?  If it runs right & a little cleaning & gasket repair is what 
it needs, why not give it that?

If you are going to restore it or go into any long term thing, first  
have a plan & stick to it.  Set a goal as to what the car will be when 
completed.  If you upgrade your goal from a #3 car to a #2 or to a #3, 
expect exponential investment in time & money.  It really costs to go up 
the ratings scale.

Come up w/a budget & at least double it to get to your goal.  Don't be 
swayed into more car than you plan unless you are realistic on what the 
costs in time & money will be.  There is nothing sadder than an 
enthusiast w/a car in the garage not completed & never will be.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Chris and Robin <cya442@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 23:20:11 -0300
Subject: Re: CA Smog Regs

Chris Fair wrote:
> 
> My understanding of CA smog regs is that the equipment which was delivered
> on the car has to be there and functioning as original now. If not, you get
> to spend up to $500 for any old kind of klugey fix then off to a referre
> station.

Appreciate the tips, guess I will find out about all the fun I will have 
with the smog test when I get out there, can't wait!?

Chris Miller<cya442@erols.com>

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From: Todd Hall <thall@en.com>
Date: Sun, 4 Aug 1996 23:52:44 -0300
Subject: Stupid Human Tricks 

Came across this story and thought you guys might enjoy it...

Randy Tindell of Livermore, California, was injured recently after he 
attempted to replace a tubelike fuse in his Ford pickup with a 22-caliber 
rifle bullet (used because it was a perfect fit).   However, when 
electricity heated the bullet, it went off and shot him in the knee. 

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From: Shawn Twomey <stwom@ctp.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 00:33:59 -0300
Subject: Re: T-Tops Weather seals 84  hurst olds

>Anyone out there have suggestions on temporary fixes for 
>repairing leaking T-top seals.  I went to the dealer but $150 per sid 
>ewas a little steep just for a few stips of rubber.  

>Gil Russell

Gil,

I have both an '84 and an '85 with t-tops and they can definitely cause
you some headaches.  I myself found the dealer price a touch steep, but
luckily I found a GM employee willing to buy them for me considerably
cheaper :)  (haven't installed them and may not in a while).  In any
case, someone on the list mentioned that squirting a little Armor All
(not too much) on the seals may cause them to puff up a little. 
Somebody else mentioned baby oil.  I talked to someone who had a problem
with wind noise under one of his tops and fixed it with some black
silicone along the seal, ugly but effective.  

I assume you've checked the adjustments on the connecting posts.  If
not, pull the top and set it upside-down.  Remove the handle and the
plastic trim piece and you'll see that you can adjust the location of
where the posts pop out relative to the rest of the top.  You'll need to
do this if, with the top on and secured, you can push the leading edge
up from the bottom (ie its not nice and tight).  While you have it
undone, drop a little motor oil into the moving parts of the handle if
it requires excessive force to move said handle (thanks Andy G.).  If
you have to really wrestle it to get it to lock & unlock, you risk
stripping out the gear, which is bad news.

Make sure that your problem lies in the weather-stripping and not in the
tops themselves.  On my '85, the driver's side top is warped and it
causes a small opening on the leading edge, which makes a lot of noise
at highway speed (luckily no water leaks).  I'm fairly sure the only
remedy for me is a new top (found some in good shape at a boneyard -
$150 a side, ouch).  The big problem here is that these cars really
weren't made to have two big holes cut in the roof - the frame will flex
a lot and generally cause the tops to come out of adjustment and warp. 
I'm currently looking into subframe connectors, recommended by a friend
with a convertible Must*ng.  He says that properly placed & welded
pieces of metal can significantly stiffen the frame and reduce flex. 
This is a major concern of mine, as the aforementioned '85 is getting a
warmed-over 350 fairly soon.  

Incidentally, anyone know of a supplier for subframe connectors for
'78-'88 Cutlasses (G-bodies)?  Anyone got the number for "Just
Suspensions?"

Thanks


- -----------------==============================
Shawn M. Twomey  |  "No!  Try not!  Do, or do |
stwom@ctp.com    |   not.  There is no try."  |
517 346-7104     |   -Yoda                    |
- -----------------==============================
                                

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 04:13:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Lettering and Graphics

> Huh?  I think you need to look at the original post, Peg.  There's no 
> tracing involved here, just simple printing.  The idea is to print a 
> mirrored graphics on the paper backing of continuous vinyl.  Many ink 
> jets CAN do this; however, my first choice was and remains a dot matrix.


Oops, my bad.  And my apologies.  I was under the impression that the 
goal was to actually make an *imprint* on the page, and that's why 
dot-matrixes (matrices??) were mentioned.  Sorry!

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 04:18:03 -0300
Subject: leaving

Me unsubscribe temporarily --
Me leave for Nats soon!
I hope I see a lot of you there -- look for a dented-up battleship grey 
'86 Supreme in the beater class (with a mop holding up the trunk).
Cheers!

8)
peg

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From: JJF97@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:39:29 -0300
Subject: Resto  Tips  .....

When installing a new headliner, it's nearly impossible to get it wrinkle-
free.  Thankfully, all but the biggest wrinkles will come out if you use a
hair dryer to warm them as you smooth the area out.


Resto Corner

- --joe ferrero

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From: Dave Isho <davei-2@mail.idt.net>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 08:40:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Exhaust Manifold Locks 

At 12:54 PM 8/4/96 -0300, you wrote:

>
>Does anyone have an answer to the proposition that the exhaust manifold
>bolts have a special taper to them, making hardware store bolts an unworthy
>investment?
>
Spud, 

        On page 157 of the Year One catalog, they list New GM bolts for
69-72 V8's intake or exhaust manifolds. They also list Exhaust manifold
locking clamps. The bolts are $1.75 ea (kinda pricy) and the clamps are
$9.00 a set. 

        I don't recall the original post so I apologize if these are not
what you're looking for. Otherwise, I hope this helps.

 >Dave Isho --- davei-2@mail.idt.net
     >67 Cutlass CS Convertible
     

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 04:46:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Exhaust Manifold Locks

Dave Isho wrote:
> 
> At 12:54 PM 8/4/96 -0300, you wrote:
> 
> >
> >Does anyone have an answer to the proposition that the exhaust manifold
> >bolts have a special taper to them, making hardware store bolts an unworthy
> >investment?
> >
> Spud,
> 
>      Spud:

I wouldn't swear about the taper on the bolts, but I don't think that 
they are tapered.  Like you I would replace them if they are suspect at 
all.  We have a fastener suply house for industry in our small town 
which can supply almost anything.  Why not search for one of these near 
industry in your town & let them have a look.  They may have just what 
you need.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:48:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Lettering and Graphics

Peg O'Connor wrote:
> 
> Oops, my bad.  And my apologies.  I was under the impression that the
> goal was to actually make an *imprint* on the page, and that's why
> dot-matrixes (matrices??) were mentioned.  Sorry!

No problem.  Actually, I think somebody else might have used the word 
"trace" first which prolly misled you.  

Anyhoo, you have a vaild point about ink-jet printers.  Since they do, as 
you mentioned, squirt or spray ink onto the paper, how well they work 
depends on how absorbent the paper is (which is why the manufacturers 
recommend the use of special papers).

Too absorbent and the image bleeds, not absorbent enough and the ink sits 
on the surface of the paper and can smear.  So how successful an ink-jet 
is for this application depends on the paper backing of the vinyl.  And 
since the backings vary, you need to be more careful than when using a 
dot-matrix.  It'll work, just with slightly more complications.

And if I didn't make it clear:  You cut the images out from the PAPER 
side of the vinyl.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:51:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Stupid Human Tricks

Todd Hall wrote:
> 
> However, when electricity heated the bullet, it went off and shot him 
> in the knee.

You have to wonder if mankind wouldn't be better off if it had hit him a 
just a little higher.  I don't think we want this guy breeding.

The 66 Toro and Darwin


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Peter_Teubel_at_Safety1st-MA@harte-hanks.com
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:59:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Legislation 

     What are the details?  Is Big Brother trying to make us put cats on 
     our rods, or what?


______________________________ Reply Separator 
_________________________________
Subject: Legislation
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at ~INTERNET
Date:    8/2/96 3:19 PM


I was sent the following email this week and I 
thought you might be interested:
     
I wish there was a newsgroup dedicated to the 
Legislation that
threatens to end hot rodding.
     
   We have all spent so much, and worked so hard, 
that I can't
understand why no one wants to organize and fight 
off legislation
that could force us to junk our great classic cars.
     
  Do us rodders live in a vacuum ?    Massachusetts 
is about to
initiate a * tough * vehicle inspection program.... 
the keyword is
emissions, not safety. A hearing was held in 
Worcester, and save for
myself, and an antique car owner, no one showed up. 
The "Automotive
Community" was represented by a man from Boston who 
owns Five repair
shops, and can't wait for the new test, so he can 
make lots more
money.  {aren't we rodders glad to be so well 
represented}   I found
out about the hearing by writing my local rep.  I 
called a bunch of
people, including the president of "my" club.  
Everyone was busy going
to cruise nights and couldn't be bothered.   Makes 
me real proud to be
a Massachusetts Hot Rodder.
     

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From: John Harris <John.Harris@rttc.redstone.army.mil>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:41:14 -0300
Subject: 69 differential gears

Folks

I have a 1969 442 with a 3.42 to 1 limited slip differential.  I would
like to swap my ring and pinion for 3.91 to 1.  Where can I get the
gears.  I have a type "O" differential

As of now, I haven't taken the rear end apart.  I have been told that
the Olds 12 bolt rear end actually has 10 bolts on the ring gear.  I
have also been told that there are two different size carriers and that
I have the larger carrier.  I was told that gears are only made for the
smaller carrier.  

It looks as if I will have to try and find gears at a swap meet or such.
How can I identify the correct ring and pinion gear for the larger type
carrier??

John Harris 

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From: Joanne Beausoleil <jbeausol@ftp.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 10:58:38 -0300
Subject: RE: Legislation

They canceled emissions testing in NH because it was deemed unconstitutional, 
Live free or Die.

- ----------
From: 	Mike Frederick[SMTP:edison3@cpeq.com]
Sent: 	Friday, August 02, 1996 6:26 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: Legislation

Chris Fair wrote:
> 
> Sacramento and of course cop, state and probably legislators cars are
> exempt. God forbid that government might have to live by the rules
> they impose on the rest of us.

In the meanwhile the manufacturers are trading polution credits like 
baseball cards, the Air Force is exempt from DER regulations, and every 
two-cycle outboard in the water is leaving oil slicks everywhere they go. 
As usual, this has everthing to do with getting elected and nothing at 
all to do with the environment.   Politics as usual...

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 09:52:57 -0300
Subject: Anyone at Union, IL Yesterday? 

If not, you missed a fantastic day. Lots of antique cars, Oldsmobiles,
steam trains, trucks... all kinds of big boys' toys. Will write more
details when I get out from under this morning's crises... (have some
photos to develop for the web pages too... '55 (?) Fiesta convertible,
tri-power Starfire, I think it was, etc...)

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 11:04:49 -0300
Subject: RE: 70 350 Carb info

I would reccommend a 750 cfm with vacumn secondaries. This will only fit an 
original intake if you have an adapter plate.

- ----------
From: 	DELPROPO@emuvax.emich.edu[SMTP:DELPROPO@emuvax.emich.edu]
Sent: 	Sunday, August 04, 1996 3:26 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	70 350 Carb info

Does  anyone know what size and type of Holly 4brl carb will go onto a 70 350
with orriginal intake. If possible, a part number of the carb would be very
usefull.       Thanks   Greg Del   70 Cutlass Supreme   Mich...

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 12:24:09 -0300
Subject: Unsbuscribing

I have tried to unsubscribe by following the instructions and the message 
won't 
send.  Any of you computor people know why?

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com

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From: JJF97@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 1996 13:54:57 -0300
Subject: Resto Tip Contest !!!!

I have received a few requests to print off the copies of the Resto tips.

My challenge to all of you is....

Send your resto tip to 

			JJF97@uno.cc.geneseo.edu

Mail me your tip, and include your mailing address.

The Tips will be judged, and the top 3 tips will receive a free copy
of all tips that have been posted and possibly bonuses.

As for the rest, it will be for sale for the price of printing and postage.

All entries must be in by December 10,  and good luck!!


Resto Corner

- --joe ferrero

p.s.  your mailing address will not be posted on the e-mail unless you 
specify that you would like it posted.

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