
oldsmobile-digest           Tuesday, 9 July 1996        Volume 01 : Number 231


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Recently rebuilt 307 [nightmare from hell story omitted]
Headers added.  Now idles rough or stalls.  Check engine 
code 12.

Any clues as to correct settings?


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Dear Paul:

Is that the Toro dog back of Rogue Animal Hospital used car lot?

DTW


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The Cars & Parts book is available from C&P (don't have the #).  Don't 
try and order it from Classic Motorbooks.  It is in their catalogue, but 
they can't get it for some reason.  The cost was $20 or $25 bucks.  
There isn't anything new as far as you wanted to see <Chris>.  Like I 
said, worth it for the paint & trim and the info on newer cars.  

Man, do I give out specific info or what?  I can look up the C&P number 
if somebody needs it and include the exact price.

- -Dan


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Anyone going to the NAOC Nationals in Wheeling, WV this coming weekend?

Paul


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In a message dated 96-07-08 18:09:59 EDT, you write:

>Q2:
>What late '60 - '70's cars came with Positraction rear-ends that will
>bolt up to my '72 Cutlass Supreme without modifications?  I'm sure there's
>got to be a whole slew of them, but I don't have any idea where to begin
>looking.  I'm tired of burning up *a* tire every time I hit it off the line.
>
>

The former owner of new '72 had the rear go out a while ago.  It was a
standard rear with a standard ratio.  He had a posi unit installed, but no
one has ever been able to figure out exactly what it is.  When I worked at
the Olds garage the fellas in the parts department tried to cross reference
the codes and I think they came up with something like a '73 to '77 Malibu.
 I'd like to go to a stock Olds posi but too much $$$.  See, those Chevies in
the bonesyards are good for something!

Paul


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>Anyone going to the NAOC Nationals in Wheeling, WV this coming weekend?
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>Paul
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I was wondering what NAOC stood for, I can't remember.  Where and
when(exacly) is it?

Thanks, 
Greg

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At 06:28 PM 7/8/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>1) Should the oil pump be primed in some way before I install it on the
>>engine? I've heard of people packing it with vaseline or another type of
[SNIP]
>What I do is this. Get an old distributor and take the shaft out of it. 
>Grind the gear teeth (only)  off the bottom then grind down the other 
>end to fit a drill. Once the engine is in place install this tool in 
>your drill then insert in the distributor hole.

I was going to use the old oil pump driveshaft driven by a drill, connected
to the new driveshaft (by two 5/16" allen-headed socket screws, joined by a
hex coupler). I noticed that unlike the SB Ch*vy, there are no oil passages
in the Olds distributor, so the body is not necessary to spin the oil pump
and get pressure.

My question is whether I have to fill or prime the pump *before* I install
it. Will it be able to suck the oil from the pan without any prior preparation?

> Spin your tool until you start to see oil coming out of some of your 
>pushrods. At this point try and push down on all the rockers from the 
>pushrod side. You will hear and feel a faint squirt as oil totally 
>fills your lifters. Now turn your engine over by hand about 1/4 turn and 
>repeat. This is because not all lifter oil holes are exposed at one time 
>so you have to do this until all rockers are firm to the push. At this 
>point you can acuratley adjust your lifter preload.

I put the lifters in a cup of oil and use a pushrod to press the plunger
down until no more air bubbles come out. That pretty much fills them up, and
gives the oiling system a head-start.

>>2) I've installed Mondello's windage tray on the bottom end, and have a few
>>questions about its "fit to application" nature. I dimpled the tray to clear
>>the rod bolts; should the edges be bent inward, however, to a specific
>>distance from the crank's counterweights in order to scrape off the oil? How
>>exactly should it fit?
>
>This windage tray is a real piece of crap. Mondello should have much better 
>quality for the price he charges for a bent bit of steel. At any rate this 
>is a windage tray not a crank scraper. It should be a min. distance of 0.60 
>from any moving part. More clearance will not make any difference.

The metal is quite soft, and easy to form. You're right, though; this
windage tray is something that any 7th-grade shop class could use as a
beginner's project. Do you mean .60" or .060" clearance? Do I really need
over a half-inch of clearance between the rods and the tray? I hope my
bottom end doesn't move around *that* much!

>>Yes, I have the Mondello tech guide, but all he talks about is dimpling the
>>oil pan to clear the studs (BTW, a note to JM; hire a professional editor
>>for your next edition of that manual. The excellent information you do
>>provide is muddled by your (dis)organization of material, your sentence
>>structure (please, at least one noun and one verb in each sentence), and
>>your grammar.)
>
>I agree completely.
>
>>Has anyone here on this list installed on of these pans? Any tips/warnings?
>When you dimple your pan try and use as little heat as possible as it will 
[SNIP]
I'm still wondering what I would have to dimple; my oil pan fit with no
interference whatsoever.

>3) Finally, the rebuild kit included a freeze-plug package, but I'm at a
>loss as to where some of the plugs they provide go. The cam plug and the
>freeze plugs are pretty self evident; it's the specs on the rear left oil
>galley plug that I need help on (the one that covers up the threaded galley
>plug). There are three plugs left in the kit: 19/32" (definitely not it),
>29/32" and 15/16" plugs. It appears as though either of these last two plugs
>could be used for that hole, but I don't want to use up one meant for
>another place where the other plug *wouldn't* work.
>
>>Can't help there sorry.

Awww, that's the one I really need help with. Anyone?


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>I have two questions:
>
>Q1:
>Is a Pontiac 455 the same as an Olds 455?  A few months ago, I found a
>Pontiac 455 with TH400 tranny for $600 (and the *ugly* car even came
>with it!).  The engine ran decent, but would need rebuilt.  Even still, I
>thought that was an excellent deal... but I passed it up, because I couldn't
>find anyone that was smart enough to answer this question.  Two
>different mechanics said, "yeah".  Then when I asked, "are you sure?",
>one said, "uh well", and the other one said, "sure I'm sure!", but he didn't
>look confident in himself.  Another guy told me that the Pontiac TH400
>was different than the Olds, and wouldn't bolt up anyway.

First of all, every slackjaw who pretends to know anthing at all about cars
will tell you that an Oldsmobile
is a pontiac is a buick is a (shudder) C*evy.  Few people know better.  The
engines are not alike at all.  The Pontiac is identical in overall dimension
to an Olds 455.  According to a Petersen engine book I have from 1970 they
both had the following measurements.  legnth: 29in   width:30in  Height23in
The books say that the Pontiac has the same motor mount location as an
Oldsmobile, but I don't know if it the mounts are in exactly the same
postion relative to the facing that bolts to the transmission.  So the
engine may sit an inch or so closer or farther away from the radiator.  I'm
not sure.  The pontiac is probably a more viable swap than a Buick or Ch*vy
if you need a 455 but can't find an Olds.  I don't know for sure, I've never
tried.  I do know that a Pontiac 455 is a strong engine when
overhauled,(Mom's `ol Grandville was a damn fast car.) and is capable of
producing torque and HP numbers close to an Olds 455.  

Another thing.  People trying to unload a crappy  car with a 455 will tell
you anything.  I was looking at a trashed `73 or `74 98 Royale and the guy
who was trying to sell it told me any parts off the car would fit my `72
F-85 wagon.  I hate it when they think that just because you look 18 you're
completely ignorant.  The only things that interchange between thoes two
cars are the engine and transmission and maybe the battery.  I'm glad I knew
better at the time, having allready tried to get tie rod ends from a custom
cruiser to fit my car...Lucky I kept the reciept.  So in case you din't
allready know, the big Oldsmobiles interchange hardly anything with the
little ones.           
>Q2:
>What late '60 - '70's cars came with Positraction rear-ends that will
>bolt up to my '72 Cutlass Supreme without modifications?  I'm sure there's
>got to be a whole slew of them, but I don't have any idea where to begin
>looking.  I'm tired of burning up *a* tire every time I hit it off the line.

I couldn't tell you, I'd like to know myself.

Greg

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Well, solved the TH425 shifting problems. The governor's gear was chewed
right up. The governor is described in the shop manual as being serviced
only as a complete unit. *Nobody* seems to carry this part new (Not
Oldsmobile USA, not Fusick, not Kanter), though there are certainly enough
used Toros around to donate a used piece. It seemed like a shame to replace
the whole thing, though, since the governor weights and springs were in
perfect condition; it was just the plastic gear that had committed hari-kari.

So I call a tranny shop down the street from my new house; it's the kind of
place that has been in business in this same location for about 35 years. I
ask if they have a unit lying about; sorry, they say, no governors around,
but they *do* have a plastic gear service piece, for all of $5.00!  :)

The counter guy says they had about 300 of them when he started working
there 18 years ago; they're now down to about 150 or so(!). So, should
anyone be in need of a governor gear for the TH425 in their Toro (symptoms:
car only in 1st or 3rd in "D", accompanied by no speedo/odometer movement),
the place to call is:

        Portland Transmission Company
        290 Smith St.
        Providence, RI 02908-4997 

        (401) 455-8300
        (800) 556-6496

That supply will probably last for about another 25 years or so, so no need
to stock up right now (though I picked up two; probably a lifetime supply).
Interestingly enough, he said that the same part is also used on a
Firetruck(!).

Well, tomorrow I install this part, get an exhaust, and have a fine-running
'69 Toro (I hope!).


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> >Anyone going to the NAOC Nationals in Wheeling, WV this coming weekend?
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> I was wondering what NAOC stood for, I can't remember.  Where and
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> The Hybrid Electric Vehicle Team of Virginia Tech
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        Hello it's me again.  I have been trying the remote for a little
over two hours.

        I am able to begin the login procedure.  The machine takes my user
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        I am at a loss here.  I will be up until around 11:30 tonite and at
school tomorow, at 8:15.  If you will be around at 11:15 tomorrow I can
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        My phone number is 469-6094 if you want to call me.


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Here are some of the olds-related listings for the Bargain News that I got
from their web site (www.bargainnews.com). Lots of interesting stuff in
here, especially the H/O & W-30 parts. AS usual, none of these listings are
mine, so don't contact me about the cars or parts.
**********************************

66 TORONADO, ps, pb, air, florida car, $5000 or best offer. (203) 865-0964=
=20

69 TORONADO, runs, needs rear quarter, $1500. (203) 274-4915=20

76 TORONADO, runs good, needs minor body work, p/everything, 455 engine,
FWD, 2 dr coupe, red, new tires, air shocks,
exhaust, $900 or best offer. (203) 729-3271=20

70 CUTLASS CONVERTIBLE, Rocket 350, automatic, runs good, needs work, $1200
or best offer. (203) 426-4558=20

70 CUTLASS SUPREME convertible, Rocket 350, 4 BBL, new GM, quarters
installed, car in apart undergoing restoration work,
asking $1700 or best offer. (203) 374-5401=20

70 CUTLASS SUPREME, 2 dr, hard top, 350, 4 bbl, 12 bolt rear, $450. (917)
249-8836=20

70 CUTLASS SX, custom paint, Pro Shop drive train, complete brakes, shocks,
springs, p/windows, p/tilt, air, buckets, console,
$3500. (917) 281-5175 (BX)=20

71 CUTLASS CONV'T, 455 ci, 400 auto trans, 12 bolt posi, buckets, console,
12 bolt posi, runs strong, solid condition, stock. (203)
366-6683=20

72 CUTLASS CONVERTIBLE, newly restored, too much to list, $10,500. (718)
847-1093=20

72 CUTLASS SUPREME, convertible, Rocket 350, dual exhaust, new top with
glass rear window, factory air & rims, $6500 or best
offer. (203) 799-1999=20

76 CUTLASS SUPREME, 2 dr, one owner, 112,000 mi, $700. (203) 878-0586 aft=
 6pm=20

77 CUTLASS SALON, t-top, 65,000 miles, original owner, runs well, body needs
work, best offer. (203) 966-5066=20

77 CUTLASS SUPREME, mint shape, 83,000 original miles, asking $1600. (203)
468-9449=20

77 CUTLASS SUPREME, very little rust, runs well, $1300. (203) 732-3137=20

77 CUTLASS, 2 dr, 350 engine, orig owner, asking $1200. (914) 937-2291=20

38 OLDS TOURING SEDAN, 4 door, flathead 6 cyl, 3 spd on floor, radio,
heater, everything new or rebuilt, recent body off
restoration, some extra body parts, $8500. (860) 873-8307 aft 5pm=20

39 CADILLAC HOLIDAY COUPE, all original, except 54 Olds motor, was the start
of a rod back in the 50's, $14,000. (860)
443-0594=20

39 OLDS COUPE, gd cond, 77 Nova subframe, 10 bolt rear, no eng or trans,
$3000. (203) 261-6372=20

40 OLDS 60 SERIES, 4 door, mint, $10,500. (516) 462-1820 (S)=20

63 OLDS DYNAMIC 88 CONV'T, 394 engine, ps, auto, gold, black interior,
64,000 miles, exc cond, asking $5900. (516) 981-4190
8am-5pm Mon-Fri, 9am-1pm Sat=20

66 OLDS CUTLASS, ps, p/antenna, p/trunk, black & white, 330 ultra high
compression, 320hp, 62,000 orig mi, $2000. (203)
741-0498=20

71 OLDS CUTLASS CONVERTIBLE, 350 auto, ps, p/disc brakes, air, factory mags,
new exhaust, $2200 or trade. (516) 794-6437=20

67 OLDS CUTLASS, 2 dr hard top, gray, black vinyl top, 330 V8 eng, excellent
cond, asking $5495. (203) 239-7246 until 11:30am
or aft 5:30pm (28)=20

69 OLDS DELTA 88, 2 dr, 455, TH400, 108,000 original miles, excellent
condition, $1400. (203) 888-7024 lv message (28)=20

32 OLDSMOBILE, rare, small V8, gd body, runs well, rebuilt auto trans, $3000
or best offer. (860) 663-3351 aft 5pm=20

53 CADILLAC FLEETWOOD, 4 dr, late model chassis, 455 Olds powered, running
cond, $1500. (860) 444-1215 eves & wknds=20

54 OLDS SUPER ROCKET 88, complete, $425. (203) 929-0777=20

56 OLDSMOBILE 88 HOLIDAY, 4 door, $800 or best offer. (203) 264-3635=20

57 OLDS S-88, 4 dr hard top, very gd cond, asking $3500. (203) 366-8774=20

59 OLDS SUPER 88 HOLIDAY, hardtop, 2 tone green & white, 394 4 bbl, 315hp,
auto, runs exc, body in gd shape, needs finishing,
exc orig int, plastic on seats from factory, $1500 OBO. (201) 628-0409=20

60 OLDS DYNAMIC 88, 2 dr hardtop, mint, 30,000 orig mi, no rust, repaint
only, done up as mild late 50's type custom, bolt-on
items only, $9500 firm. (201) 347-3114=20

60 OLDSMOBILE SUPER 88 CONV'T, for restoration, make offer. (203) 853-4076=
=20

64 OLDS F85, rebuilt 330-V8, Holley carb, 350 Turbo trans, 373, 12 bolt,
posi, runs exc, body needs work, $1200 firm. (516)
796-3398 (N)=20

65 OLDS STARFIRE CONV'T, in primer, ready to paint, factory a/c, full power,
needs interior work, $3750. (516) 487-7001=20

65 OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS, 2 dr Sedan, 8 cyl, garaged, one owner, good cond,
$2500 or best offer. (203) 269-8528=20

66 OLDS 98, restored, 425 engine, full power, garaged winters otherwise
driven daily, many new parts, $2200. (203) 274-2807=20

66 OLDS CUTLASS SUPREME CON'T, original cond, needs restoration, $2500.
(516) 424-5517 (S)=20

66 OLDS CUTLASS, 62,000 orig miles, all power, exc cond, black & white, 330
ultra high compression, 320hp, $2300 or best offer.
(203) 741-0498=20

67 OLDS CUTLASS SUPREME, 330 4 bbl, ps, pb, air, aqua green, black int,
bucket seats, needs some work, runs exc, $1500
nego. (718) 956-0809 eves=20

67 OLDS CUTLASS, 2 door, 52,000 miles, good glass and vinyl, 250, straight
6, good for restoration, best offer. (203) 878-0347 aft
7:30pm Mark=20

68 OLDS CUTLASS CONV'T, rare, factory red w/air, new top & tranny, stainless
steel brakes, suspension, $4250 or best offer.
(914) 939-6637=20

68 OLDS CUTLASS S 2DR, exc body and int, buckets, console, 442 hood, no
rust, new motor and tranny optional, $650 neg. (718)
241-4378 anytime=20

69 OLDS 442 CONVERT, looks & runs great, new paint, new top, 455, asking
$5500. (718) 658-8963=20

69 OLDS 442, 2 dr HT, orig owner, 75,000 orig mi, full pwr, air, disc
brakes, black on black, $7500. (203) 322-7255=20

69 OLDS 98 CONV'T, ps, pb, auto, 455, needs right 3/4 nose, runs like new,
$1950. (413) 732-8899 days=20

69 OLDS CUTLASS CONV'T, needs minor work, $1500. (516) 922-7679 (N)=20

69 OLDS CUTLASS, 4 door, ps, pb, new vinyl top, 150,000 miles, looks and
runs great, orig owner, $3000. (203) 625-8764=20

70 OLDS CONVERTIBLE, mint cond, everything new, chrome bumpers, $6500. (518)
784-4122=20

70 OLDS CUTLASS SUPREME, 350, 4 bbl, turbo hydromatic 350, 442 dual exhaust
w/cutout bumper & trumpets, new
interior,factory cruise guages & tach,a/c, too much to list, $1200 nego.
(718) 241-4378=20

72 OLDS CUTLASS SUPREME, 2 dr HT, 350 rocket motor, 1 owner, auto on floor,
p/windows, air, am/fm, rallys w/locking center
caps, 85,000 original mi, extra parts, must sell, asking $1500. (201)=
 641-0792=20

73 OLDS DELTA 88 CONVERTIBLE, new top, rugs, tires, runs exc, exc cond,
$2900 or best offer. (203) 373-9084=20

75 OLDS, 4 dr, 350, auto, gd cond, 60,000 orig mi, $600. (860) 824-0300=20

76 OLDS, 2 dr, runs good, no dents, minor rust, $250. (516) 563-7273 (S)=20

66 OLDS 442 CONV'T, rare factory tri-power, 1 of 230, 4 spd, forest green
w/white top & interior, second owner, like new North
Carolina car, $16,000. (516) 742-7523=20

66 OLDS 98 CONV'T, needs engine work, asking $1500. (914) 763-8400=20

71 OLDS CUTLASS S, 2 dr hardtop, reblt 350 rocket motor, new tires, new gas
tank, int mint, gold w/black vinyl top, new dual
exhaust, must sell, asking $2300 nego. (201) 641-0792 aft 3pm=20

77 OLDS 98, 4 dr, all power, many new parts, $500 or best offer. (718)=
 380-4475=20

77 OLDS CUTLASS SALON, 350, runs exc, air, am/fm radio, 350, clean, needs
minor body work, $500. (718) 738-1797=20

68 OLDS CUTLASS S 2DR, exc body and int, buckets, console, 442 hood, no
rust, new motor and tranny optional, $650 neg. (718)
241-4378 anytime=20

69 OLDS CUTLASS CONVERT, 350, auto, $2000. (516) 922-7679=20

71 OLDS, hardtop, hit in front, gd running, no rot, asking $900. (718)=
 822-7023=20

71 OLDSMOBILE 442, 2 dr, hardtop, 4000 mi on prof restoration, 455, V8, 4
spd, posi rear, gauges, air, mint cond, $9895 or best
offer. (203) 270-9972 aft 5pm=20

72 OLDS CUTLASS SUPREME CONV'T 454, restored, new paint, new int, new top
chrome Olds mags, must see, asking $8000.
(718) 792-4875=20

72 OLDS CUTLASS SUREME, 2 dr, V8, 350 rocket body in primer, hit fender,
runs mint, must sell, $200 firm. (516) 924-1229 Kevin=20

39 OLDS PARTS, tail/brake lights w/license plate light & bracket, factory
orig, never used, $125 pr. (516) 266-3305 leave message=20

48 OLDS 98 DRIVETRAIN, 59,000 mi, straight 8, auto, runs/drives, $500 or
trade. (516) 794-6437=20

48 OLDS PARTS, rearend, front suspension. (516) 499-1231=20

54 OLDS 88 PARTS, complete rear end, rear bumper, side mouldings, etc. (203)
378-8336=20

56 OLDS FIESTA spinner hubcaps, orig, vgd cond, set of 4, $150; 59 Cadillac
orig bullet taillight, set of 4, $150. (718) 948-0943 aft
6pm=20

56 OLDS HOLIDAY WINDSHIELD, for sedan, tinted, in exc cond, in custom made
wooden box, best offer. (203) 637-4223=20

62 OLDS F85 FOR PARTS, needs total restoration, not running, $500. (914)
423-6305=20

65 OLDS 330 CU IN ENGINE, needs rebuild, forged crank, $250; 59 VW engine,
36hp, needs rebuild, $200. (718) 836-6629
4pm-10pm=20

65 OLDS CUTLASS TRUNK LID, $50. (203) 929-6526=20

66 OLDS TURBO 400 TRANS, w/converter, $40; late 60's mopar 4 spd trans,
$125; orig shifter w/rods, $50. (516) 593-1931=20

67 OLDS CUTLASS CONV, parting out, 330 V8 automatic. (203) 234-7300=20

68 OLDS 442 PARTS, cut-out bumper, tach & gauges, radiator support, Hurst
Olds exhaust manifolds, NOS hood chrome, grille,
headlight housings, taillight lens. (914) 472-4977=20

68 OLDS CUTLASS REAR BUMPER, mint cond, 442 grilles NOS, grille emblem bar
NOS.. (914) 472-4977=20

68 OLDS CUTLASS REAR BUMPER, not 442, rechromed, 68 442 or Cutlass new GM
front bumper, has shelf wear. (516) 796-3899=20

68 PONTIAC GTO parting out, 69 442 convertible, 69 Olds Cutlass convt, 70
LeMans convt, 70 Impala convt, 70 Cutlass hardtop
and more. (516) 254-2278=20

69 OLDS 350 MOTOR, $200, also 350 Olds HP completly rebuilt, $650 neg. (718)
241-4378 anytime=20

69 OLDS CUTLASS radiator support, $150; 69 Chevelle radiator support & rear
bumper, make offer; 79 Z28 p/doors, $200; parting
out 67 Chrysler New Yorker, 56 Chrysler Windsor, more. (516) 841-0940 days,
John=20

69 OLDS CUTLASS CONV parting out, 350 automatic. (203) 234-7300=20

69 OLDS CUTLASS FRONT FENDERS, hood, trunk lid, right hand door, disc brake
setup, 336 10 bolt posi rear. (516) 753-0720 aft
4pm=20

69 OLDS CUTLASS PARTS, doors w/pwr windows, doors with posts, glass, bk int,
bumpers, taillights, a/c unit, 12 bolt non posi
rear, fenders, much more (718) 241-4378=20

69 OLDS HURST orig hood scoop, also 83-84 hood, 83-84 hood scoop. (516)
753-0720 aft 4pm=20

70 OLDS 442, factory fenders, left & right, factory ram air cleaner, factory
rally pack. (203) 281-1172=20

70 OLDS CUTLASS GRILLES, mint cond, $75. (914) 472-4977=20

70 OLDS PARTS, Cutlass & 442 rechromed front bumper, rear quarter skins,
rear tail light lenses, rally rims, disc brakes, 4 spd
trans, 10 bolt posi 336 gears. (516) 579-2611=20

70-72 OLDS 442 CONVERTIBLE quarters, NOS, $1000; 1975-77 Olds 442/Cutlass
Hurst hatches and roof bands, NOS, $800 or
trade. (914) 624-3878=20

70-72 OLDS CUTLASS 350 MOTOR, disc brakes, wheel moldings, fenders & hoods,
rear bumper, am/fm radio, doors, buckets,
console, interior, more. (203) 879-1087=20

70-72 OLDS PARTS, dual gauge shifter; wheel well moldings, NOS 70 headlight
housings; NOS side marker lenses in box; NOS
hood pins, 70 taillights, rear bumper, chrome; 64-65 chrome air cleaner,
much more. (914) 939-6637=20

70-72 OLDS PARTS, fenders, mint cond, $375; 70 Ram air hood, mint cond,
$1000; 70 Cutlass grills, 71 Supreme grills, 71 442
grills w/emblem, sport steering wheel, p/trunk, much more. (914) 939-6637=20

71 OLDS 442 SS1 RIMS, 14x7, with BF Goodrich radials, white letter. (516)
796-3899=20

71 OLDS CUTLASS BACK WINDOW, $35; chrome hood hinges for 71-72 Cutlass, $50;
windshield wiper motor & all mechanisms
for 79 Camaro, $25; brake booster & master cyl for 79 Camaro, $20; more.
(516) 254-6824=20

71-72 OLDS CUTLASS BACK WINDOW $35; chrome hood hinges for 71-72 Cutlass
Supreme, $50; windshield wiper motor &
mechanism for 79 Camaro, $25; brake booster & master cyl. (516) 254-6824=20

71-72 OLDS CUTLASS PARTS, p/windows, doors, Ram Air hood, flat hood,
radiator support, Rally II mag whls, more. (516)
794-6437=20

71-72 OLDS CUTLASS PARTS, new GM radiator support, never used; 2 used front
fenders, rear quarter panels, used trunk floor kit,
rally rims, disc brake setup, 336 10 bolt posi. (516) 753-0739=20

72 OLDS 455 ENGINE, turbo 400 trans. (718) 224-3094=20

72 OLDS AM/FM RADIO, $125. (516) 221-3644=20

75 OLDS HURST HOOD, $75 & $125, grills, tank lid, front seats, ripped frnt,
brake rotors, turbo 400 core, taillights, many misc.
(914) 946-8160=20

77 OLDSMOBILE MOTOR, 403, turbo 350, 10 bolt posi rear, disc brakes, ps, on
rolling chassis, $450 or best offer. (203) 879-1776=20

83-84 HURST OLDS new wheels, 15x7 all chrome w/red stripe; also used 87 442
rims, gold stripe style. (516) 753-0739 aft 4pm=20

86 OLDS 442 FACTORY MAGS, 15x7, chrome style, all 4, with center caps. (516)
579-2611 or (516) 753-0720 aft 4pm=20

BBC 7/16 CRANK PUSH RODS, 7/16 die plates, 7/16 stud, $125 set; parting out
72 Supreme, fresh cut 1010 crank & bearings, for
350 Olds, $100; Olds stock 350 oil pan, $10. (516) 254-6824=20

CHEVY ATI DISTRIB, $25; Olds ATI distrib, $15; stock 4 bbl Chevy manifold,
$25; stock Chevy 2 bbl manifold & carb, old style,
works gd, $50 both; Olds 425 J heads, 500 mi on rebuild. (516) 254-6824=20

CHRYSLER 318 ENG & 904 TRANS, $300; Olds 4 spd bellhousing & stand flywhl,
$100; chrome short water pump for SBC, $35; 4
spd pedal setup for 79 Camaro, $75; passenger fender for 80 Regal, $35.
(516) 254-6824=20

ENGINE, 350 Rocket, 350 turbo trans from 76 Olds, $500 both. (516) 467-6087=
=20

INDYMATIC AUTOMATIC SHIFTER, looks like 4 spd, $15; alum MT valve covers for
Olds 350-455, $20; rear taillights for 79-81
Camaro, $15; rear taillight harness for 79-81 Camaro, $5; hood hinges. (516)
254-6824=20

MAG WHEELS & BEAUTY RINGS, 4, for Olds, 15 x 7, $100 negotiable; 3 chrome &
black western mag rims & tires, 15 x 7, $60
negotiable; buckets for 72 Cutlass Supreme, rear seats, $250 set, more.
(516) 254-6824=20

OLDS HEADERS, BB, 65-76 Cutlass 442 wagon, 71-76 Delta 88, new, $100; SB,
68-77 442 Cutlass, 71-81 Fireird, $80. (914)
632-4184=20

OLDS NOS PARTS: 41-90 RF fender stone guard, 50 98 center grill bar, 51 tail
light chrome housings, 52-53 88 & Super 88 2 dr
rear quarter spears, 59 tail light bezel, more. (203) 378-2268=20

OLDS TURBO 350 TRANS, $200. (516) 221-3644=20

STOCK BB CHEVY OIL PAN, $20; stock 350 Olds oil pan, $15; 350 Olds oil pump
& screen, new, $20; 4 stock Olds mag whls &
beauty rings, 15 x 7, $100 negotiable. (516) 254-6824=20

TIRES AND RIMS, Olds Super Stock II wheels, complete w/215/70R14 radial
tires, exc cond, $250 set of 4. (914) 472-4977=20

59 OLDSMOBILE TAIL LIGHTS, NOS, $40 pair. (860) 649-8821=20

64-72 OLDS CUTLASS 442, Nova, Camaro, Firebird, Skylark, Lemans, many
various parts, too much to list. (516) 795-5329=20

67 OLDS 4 DOOR front seat, black, exc cond, best offer. (860) 346-5008=20

68 OLDS 88 PARTS, doors, hood, grill, trunk, $150. (860) 649-8821=20

69 OLDS 442 PARTS, 4 spd shifter, $75, 4 spd setup, $150, NOS grill, $50,
auto trans/console, $50, M20 trans, needs assembly,
$225, plus other parts. (203) 269-9951=20

70 OLDS 350 MOTOR, complete, runs exc, 92,000 orig mi, $250. (203) 238-3663=
=20

70 OLDS CUTLASS SUPREME grilles, mint, $75; 70 Olds 442 sports steering
wheel, mint, $95. (914) 472-4977=20

70-72 OLDS CUTLASS PARTING OUT all parts except engine & trans. (203)
387-9129 Mark=20

70-72 OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS 442 parts: rust free fenders, rad support, trunk
lid, dash, int, drs, fact mags, bucket seats &
console, disc brakes, more. (203) 238-3663=20

71-72 OLDS 442 BUMPER core, exc cond, $350. (914) 472-4977=20

74 OLDS 455 ENGINE, $300. (203) 933-4186=20

74 OLDS CUTLASS PARTS, hood, $100; left & right front fenders, $75 ea; left
& right drs w/glass, $100 ea; rear bumper, $50. (203)
263-4144=20

77 OLDS 350 MOTOR, 30,000 mi, $300. (203) 263-4144=20

77 OLDS CUTLASS PARTS, auto, 350, runs good, whole for parts, $550. (203)
589-8360=20

81 OLDSMOBILE 307, rebuilt, runs mint, chrome valve covers, 4 barrel carb,
trans, new starter, $500 firm. (203) 265-1935=20

83 OLDSMOBILE HURST, steering columns, $150; 79 Hurst Olds w/wheel, $150; 77
Cutlass, $75; 68 Camaro, $75; 70 Camaro,
$75. (914) 946-8160=20

83-86 OLDS CUTLASS SUPREME fenders only, $45 each. (718) 439-8796 (B)=20

ENGINES, 350 Olds, 350 Pontiac, $350 each. (203) 735-4634=20

GM TURBO 350 TRANSMISSION, auto, from Buick, Olds & Pontiac 301 engine, $75.
(516) 736-0774=20

OLDS 350 ENGINE, 50,000 mi, rebuilt cam, fits Cadillac, Olds, etc, ready for
installation, $295. (718) 417-7357=20

OLDS 350 TRANS, $200. (516) 221-3644=20

OLDS 455 ENGINE, built by Ceralli, forged pistons, roller rockers, Arp
hardware, NOS 4 spd crank, can demonstrate, $1800. (212)
942-0452=20

OLDS BB HEADERS, $40, non EGR 4 bbl intake & new gasket and 1'' spacer, $60,
18'' 7 blade flex fan, $20, autofloor shifter/black
console, 68 442, near mint,$70. (203) 230-9516 Phil=20

OLDS CUTLASS 442 PARTS, manual steering box, $125; 71 W-30 turbo 400, $700;
68 W-30 Ram Air scoops, $100. (212)
942-0452=20


copyright=A91996 Bargain News, LLC. All Rights Reserved=20

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- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)



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I am looking at buying a 1988 Toranado Trofeo.. It has all the options 
and 115,000 miles. The dealer is asking for $6000.. Is that what its 
worth? Everything is in perfect condition, leather seats and everything. 
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     Check engine code 12 is normal.  Means no signal from tach, which is 
     correct because the engine isn't running when you're testing.
     
     Some random ideas and things to check:
     
     Make sure jumper is removed from ALDL, unplug battery for a minute or 
     two to totally reset the computer for the new engine.
     
     Could be a nasty vacuum leak.
     
     Likely something wrong with the carburetor.  Check the float level 
     (you can use an external dipstick-style plastic gauge) and clean the 
     idle circuits out with carb cleaner and then compressed air.  Check 
     the settings of the TPS and idle mixture solenoid.  The idle mixture 
     solenoid is a tricky adjustment, you'd best have a manual for that.  
     TPS is pretty easy.  The idle mixture screws are used to fine-tune the 
     idle mixture _ONLY_AFTER_ setting the idle mixture solenoid correctly.
     
     I thought maybe a bad O2 sensor might be the culprit too, but it 
     occurred to me that it should still idle okay while the engine is 
     warming up since the computer hasn't entered closed-loop mode yet and 
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Subject: '84  H/O
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    7/8/96 6:57 PM


Recently rebuilt 307 [nightmare from hell story omitted] 
Headers added.  Now idles rough or stalls.  Check engine 
code 12.
     
Any clues as to correct settings?
     


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Andrew A. Senko wrote:
> 
> Drew Senko (me) wrote:
> 
> >> ...and one lonely Oldsmobile.  It's an '83 H/O Black and gray exterior.
> >> Interior looked pretty good (to me).  The gauges claimed 62K miles.  The
> >> car had 15" chrome SSII (or SSIII, they were chrome so what's the
> >> difference?) wheels that needed some attention.  The bottoms of the doors
> >> did not exhibit any deterioration.  The car also has a moonroof.
> 
> >> The H/O was one of the few cars on the lot that did not have a price on
the
> >> window.  The place was closed so I couldn't ask.  If anyone's interested,
> >> the place was Gene's Auto Sales in Bridgeville Delaware.
> 
> Bill Gochenour queried:
> 
> > You didn't mention the color of the interior, was it maroon or snad gray?
> 
> To which I now reply:
> 
> It was maroon.  One more thing I remember now is that the trunk lid had
> holes that would imply it used to have a spoiler.
> 
>                     _
>                     |\            Convertibles
>      .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                        Drew Senko
>      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
>      =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)                  http://members.gnn.com/senko
> .________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________
Holes in the deck lid does mean it had a spoiler, wait till you try to 
find the oem spoiler. That item will run you $650 easy, before paint, 
trust me I just got a replacement one for myself. Not fun.

- -- 
Bill !                                        _           _       ___
                                            /  |        /  |    /  _  \
83 Hurst/Olds 15th Aniversary Edition     /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
86 442 The Perfect "10"                 /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
                                       |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 21:37:31 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 98 Stumpers 

> 
> Been watching your posts for a few weeks now and hope I have the tone and
> level of question right. Thanks in advance for your thoughts on the 
> following questions about my '66 98 convertible. It's a sunny day driver now 

Yeehaa!  Yet another 98!
 
> 1) Currently running a 2.56 or 2.73 rear end. Thinking about going back to stockratio of 3.08 or better (3.23?). Any idea how much the mileage might suffer?
> Suggestions on where to find such a ratio, esp. a posi? How much should such
> a swap cost? 65-70 B and C body rear ends should swap in, but do Pontiacs,
> Caddies or Buick B or C body rears bolt in drum to drum? Noting parts 
> availability, what ch*vy rears would fit, if any? Remember this is big olds,
> not A bodies which seem to have much better interchangeability.

I have a 70.  I was told by a couple of garages that only the rear ends from
other 69 or 70 98's will swap.  Hopefully you have more choices with your
66.
 
> 4) The frame is old now and flexes when going over bumps in the road. Any
> ideas, anybody ever tried to fix such a problem? 

Convertibles tend to flex more than hardtops.  My 70 (and I suspect)
your 66) has a heavy duty frame.  I'm just speculating, so someone tell
me if I'm out of line, but I doubt that the problem is the age of your
frame, unless it is really rusted out.

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lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
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     I forgot the most obvious thing to check.  The timing chain could be 
     off a tooth, that would cause exactly the symptoms noted.

     
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Recently rebuilt 307 [nightmare from hell story omitted] 
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Hi Andrew, 
the upgrade is done to retain high oil pressure and higher temps.  I should
explain
that the motor break-in is done is the summer months.  My car likes to run at
temps 
of 190 to 200 degrees.  The extra 1000 miles is to insure that the motor is
really 
broke in.   If I stayed with 10w40 the car would run fine, but I prefer the
higher 
viscosity of a racing oil.  The 20w50 seems to handle the abuse better.  
But the best is to run synthetic by personel experience.  Their is a group of
ten 
other fellows with Olds that I cruise and race with and we have collected
data 
amongst ourselves that shows what works and what doesn't.   The group
consists
of     1.  69 442   2. 72 cutlass supreme   3.  65 442   4.  70 442   
5. 72 cutlass post coupe  6.  70 W-30   7.  80 cutlass supreme  8. 72 cutlass
s
9. 72 W-30  10. 71 442 W-30  11. 72 cutlass s  12. 72 cutlass supreme 

We are all running 455's bored from .030 to .060 and if you are able to
attend the 
Mondello Olds Nats on July 14th (next Sunday)  you will see our group.
The 69 442 is Bright Orange and you can't miss it .


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>Anyone have a '67 330 engine lying about, dismantled? The one with casting ID
>"3"? If so, please contact me, I have a question for you.
>--
>Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
>wittchri@pilot.msu.edu


I was just getting ready to trash one this week...havn't checked the casting
ID, will do that today...What's your question about it?
Dave Isho (67 Cutlass CS Conv.)
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>Anyways, everyone I've talked to says that shift kits are good for the tranny.

Yep, they are right.

>The theory is that a quicker shift gives the tranny less time to slip.

Yep, right again.

>While it's slipping parts are wearing away.

Yep, yep, yep...

>The problem is that not everyone wants neck-snapping shifts, 
>so they didn't make them that way from the factory.

Well, the factory doesn't "make" anything, it just assembles a bunch of 
parts. The Engineers did fiddle with valve bodies, spring rates, band 
material and everything else in order to meet the specifications for the 
car. "Neck-snapping" shifts is much more acceptable in a W-30 than say a 
Toronado, speed is critical to both cars but marketing defines that one 
is more, dare I say, "civilized" than the other, maybe a more PC term 
would be "more appropriate". I have been installing B&M TransPak's in 
TH-350's and TH-400's since 1978. I think they have a good product and it 
isn't too difficult to install. The key, in my opinion, to long lasting 
longevity to a automatic transmission is "DO NOT MANUALLY SHIFT GEARS". 
Most people tend to forget the automatic in automatic transmission for 
some reason. If you must shift gears, the fix is simple, get a "MANUAL 
transmission.

Happy Oldsmobiling,
Mike Hall


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
         Brought to you by a Apple Power Macintosh 7100/80
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From: "Mailer" <Mailer.Central_Message_Center@inbox.ei.educ.ab.ca>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 23:38:20 -0300
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I just talked to one of my friends who purchased a bunch of my Oldsmobile 
parts from me a while back and he is moving. The parts gotta go, he is 
sending a complete list to me but here is some of the stuff:

- - 1971 OG TH-400, out of 1971 442.
- - 1971 442 steel hood, paint stripped, rust free (not OAI).
- - 1972 complete doors, rust free, paint stripped.
- - 1970 (?) rear decklid, rust free, paint stripped.
- - 1971 442 Disc Brake setup, complete, everything is there.

My personal favorite:
A ORIGINAL Olds 8-track demo tape... (Oooooo, Ahhhhhh)

Much, much, more... send me some e-mail if anyone has an interest. He is 
located in Mt. Pleasant, Michigan (close to the "middle of the mitten" 
for you Michiganders).


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
         Brought to you by a Apple Power Macintosh 7100/80
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Greg Beaulieu writes:

>Seriously, has anyone here found that software to work ok?

Sorry to hear of the trouble, works just fine here, Shockwave installed 
just fine.

>Did you have to do anything trick to set it up?

Ummm, no....

>I'd love to see the Olds site in all it's glory...

The Shockwave plugin for Netscape is different, the pics are a little 
small for my tastes. It was cool for the first 15 seconds but the novelty 
soon wore thin. The graphics intensity on the Olds site is huge, I can 
feel my hair turning grey just waiting for the pics to come up, at 28.8 
no less!!!


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Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
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     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
         Brought to you by a Apple Power Macintosh 7100/80
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Your cable could be frayed. 

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From: 	Lloyd Culp[SMTP:bculp@hiwaay.net]
Sent: 	Monday, July 08, 1996 6:09 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: Need help with heavy gas padel( 89 CUT CIERA)

At 04:53 PM 8/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>       The gas pedal on 89, Cutlass Ciera feels heavy any suggestion ?
>> Was used to driving 93 Corolla. Specially in city driving with speed
>> range of 40 - 60 pedal doesn't work smooth. Needs extra force to push
>> the padel( ther is resistence).
>> 
>>       Any helpful hints are appriciated.
>
>buy heavier shoes..  most people who switch from imports to GM have
>to do this,,   GM Goodwrench sells a stylish pair in 8-13mens, Thom
>McHann sells the same pair for $30 less. either that or go to a junkyard
>and find a corolla gas pedal and epoxy it to the top of your Oldsmobile
>gas pedal.   
>
>
>Doug Ahern      

>Doug:

He sure is lucky to have you around.  There is no need for further help
after your advice.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama
>
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Robert J. Barry forwarded from the Bargain News:
>
> 76 TORONADO, runs good, needs minor body work, p/everything, 455 
> engine, FWD, 2 dr coupe ...

Oh, the rare TWO-DOOR Toronado!  And with the optional FRONT-WHEEL drive!
Wow!  Somebody better jump on this one.  Wonder if it has the manual 
transmission and that 3 barrel carb?      ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


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Mike Hall wrote:
> 
> The graphics intensity on the Olds site is huge, I can feel my hair 
> turning grey just waiting for the pics to come up, at 28.8 no less!!!

Exactly my earlier point.  When will the HTML/Java bozos get it through 
their thick heads that all the overblown sound/graphics overhead simply 
slows it to the point where much of their intended audience simply 
clicks-off out of download boredom?

And they can stuff the frames too!

The 66 Toro and Mike


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Robert J. Barry wrote:
> 
> but they *do* have a plastic gear service piece, for all of $5.00!  :)

Cool!  Glad you found your part, Bob.  I think I'll order one at that 
price just to have a spare.

The 66 Toro and Mike


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Well Mr. Witt, it took me a while but here is the info (slight) from that BOP
magazine that had the article on a 69 442 W-32:

"For the person who wants something in-between the W-31 and W-30"
Only available on the 442 series
Was a slightly detuned W-30
Used the W-30 4-sp engine hooked to the TH400
350 hp compared to 360 for the W-30
Only 247 W-32 made in 69
W-32 stickers where the usual W-30 , 31 appear

Sorry, but thats about the extent of the info!


On another note. What is the best way to check U-joints? Car on jack stands?
Standard transmission in 1st? How much play in the driveshaft is normal? If
I get any play at all does that mean that something (Tranny,u-joint,rear-end)
is messed up? Please advise.


 				Pat Clark
    				 69 442
    			        400/TH400
    			  clark@abu.dseg.ti.com

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 21:42:23 -0300
Subject: Edelbrock Aluminum heads

I think its about time for everyone here to again bother Edelbrock at =
www.edelbrock.com to proiduce an aluminum head for Olds as they did for =
Pontiac.
Rember the squeaky wheel.........

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:38:28 -0300
Subject: RE: Priming oil pump, windage tray and cup plug Q's

My question is whether I have to fill or prime the pump *before* I =
install
it. Will it be able to suck the oil from the pan without any prior =
preparation?

It will have no problem drawing oil on its own without having to prime =
it.
Yes you are correct i meant 0.60 clearance in the windage tray area, I =
just can't type very well.
>>Yes, I have the Mondello tech guide, but all he talks about is =
dimpling the
>>oil pan to clear the studs (BTW, a note to JM; hire a professional =
editor
>>for your next edition of that manual. The excellent information you do
>>provide is muddled by your (dis)organization of material, your =
sentence
>>structure (please, at least one noun and one verb in each sentence), =
and
>>your grammar.)
>
>I agree completely.
>
>>Has anyone here on this list installed on of these pans? Any =
tips/warnings?
>When you dimple your pan try and use as little heat as possible as it =
will=20
[SNIP]
I'm still wondering what I would have to dimple; my oil pan fit with no
interference whatsoever.
I've heard that some do although I have not come across one. make sure =
that the oil pan will seat itself to the block without any interferance =
what so ever. Most at least require a few bangs with a hammer over the =
#2 mains

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On Tue, 9 Jul 1996, Mike Frederick wrote:

> Robert J. Barry wrote:
> > but they *do* have a plastic gear service piece, for all of $5.00!  :)

> Cool!  Glad you found your part, Bob.  I think I'll order one at that 
> price just to have a spare.
> The 66 Toro and Mike
> 

me, too.  When I first found the old '66 Toro, and kicked 
the chickens out of the back seat, 'cos it was sort of sitting in a farm 
yard in, well, improvable condition, first gear was an option that was 
rarely available; nothing else wrong.  Seems the governor gear was 
messed up.  Confoosed the 
trans shop, they gave up, fixed it myself by chance more than good planning.
 
So thanks for the info!

Michael (the '57 one).> 


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Mike,                                                                          

 Mt. pleasant, Michigan, home of my old Navy buddy, Jack Sisson.  I was at his 
home once on my way to Middletown, Ohio.                                       

 How much is the demo tape?                                                    

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I bolted a 4.56 posi from a 65 chevy right into my 71 Cutlass S.  (took it 
out two weeks later, definelty not for the highway) but it fit.

lou
83 H/O
 ----------
From: oldsmobile-owner
To: oldsmobile
Subject: Re: Need help...
Date: Monday, July 08, 1996 9:38PM

At 06:06 PM 7/8/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I have two questions:
>
>Q1:
>Is a Pontiac 455 the same as an Olds 455?  A few months ago, I found a

No, completely different design (just like their 350's and 400's are
completely different).

>Pontiac 455 with TH400 tranny for $600 (and the *ugly* car even came
>with it!).  The engine ran decent, but would need rebuilt.  Even still, I
>thought that was an excellent deal... but I passed it up, because I 
couldn't
>find anyone that was smart enough to answer this question.  Two
>different mechanics said, "yeah".  Then when I asked, "are you sure?",
>one said, "uh well", and the other one said, "sure I'm sure!", but he 
didn't
>look confident in himself.  Another guy told me that the Pontiac TH400
>was different than the Olds, and wouldn't bolt up anyway.

Actually, the Pontiac and Olds TH400's *are* identical (man, that guy isn't
right about anything!). The B-O-P (Buick-Olds-Pontiac, and also Cadillac)
bellhousing patterns are identical, and differ only from Chevy within the GM
transmission line.

>Q2:
>What late '60 - '70's cars came with Positraction rear-ends that will
>bolt up to my '72 Cutlass Supreme without modifications?  I'm sure there's
>got to be a whole slew of them, but I don't have any idea where to begin
>looking.  I'm tired of burning up *a* tire every time I hit it off the 
line.

Any '68-'72 A-body (Chevelle, Malibu, Cutlass, 442, Vista Cruiser, Tempest,
LeMans, GTO, Grand Prix (after '69), Monte Carlo, El Camino, Skylark, GS)
are all direct bolt-ins, except perhaps for the u-joints. I believe
positraction was an option on all these lines for all these years. The
earlier '64-'67 rear axles will also bolt-in, I believe, but are narrower;
fine if you want to fit more tire and modify the wheelwell.

>Thanks for the help...
>
>-BS
>
>

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 - Bob Barry
 - 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
 - 1978 Electra Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)




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From: gludlam@bcinet.net (Gregg Ludlam)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 21:53:39 -0300
Subject: Immortalized...I Think!

Greg,

What an honor to be immortalized in your article in JWO this month!
Although denial first set-in, it was most accurate to describe the beloved
Toro as "...crotchety but (apparently) lovable...".  You couldn't have more
accurately described the immediate benefits of the expertise on the list
better than with my example.  And let us not forget the original "crotchety"
problem with the charging system that Andrew Green spent countless hours
helping me with when I first signed-on last year!

Enough babble - just wanted to say hi and thanks for the mention.  No matter
how dubious the distinction is, I'm honored that you used me and the Toro
for the example!  For all of you just becoming active on the Olds CCN list,
let me be one of many examples of the benefits of such a great group of folks!

Gregg Ludlam, aka:


- -Gregg, the '67 Toro guy

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>>Anyone going to the NAOC Nationals in Wheeling, WV this coming
>>weekend?
>>
>I was wondering what NAOC stood for, I can't remember.

Need Another Olds Cutlass, of course. Jeez, do I have to explain 
_everything_ around here?  :-)

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473



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