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oldsmobile-digest           Sunday, 7 July 1996        Volume 01 : Number 224
     
     
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From: Dana and Mary Taylor <dmtaylor@top.monad.net> 
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:50:10 -0300
Subject: parts
     
Just ran across a pair of 82 toronados. Pretty complete. If anyone 
interested. also a question. I also ran across a pair of 2A heads and 
another pair of 10 or maybe an O not sure which. would either of these be 
a good choice for my 350 rebuild?
     
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From: Michael Brady <drolds19@mail.idt.net> 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 01:28:53 -0300 
Subject: Re: oldsmobiles
     
Mike Frederick wrote:
> 
> Michael Brady wrote:
> >
> > Hello olds freaks, i thought i would introduce myself to everybody... 
> 
> Hey, Olds freak!  Good to see another Michael on the list (we got way too 
> many Greg(g)s).  Nice assortment of wheels, too.
> 
> Wisconsin?  You don't know a Toro-nut named Greg (what else) Kalkhoff, 
> AKA Sparky, do you.  You will.    ;)
> 
> The 66 Toro and Mike
> 
> --
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO
> Edison3, Incorporated
> Tampa, Florida
> (813) 210-8649
> Hi mike, No i recently joined the wisconsin chapter, but i have a funny 
feeling
 your right, maybe i'll run into him at quad state this september? 
Hey speaking of toro's, I've often wondered why they never reached a 
higher level of collectability? After all they were the " flag ship" of 
the olds line, and i believe way ahead of there time. The 66' toro has 
really grown on me over the year's and it woulnd'nt surprise me if some 
day one of these will sit next to one of my 4-4-2s. Take care.
     
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From: Michael Brady <drolds19@mail.idt.net> 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 01:42:37 -0300 
Subject: Re: oldsmobiles
     
Lloyd Culp wrote:
> 
> At 08:09 PM 6/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
> >Hello olds freaks, i thought i would introduce myself to everybody, i 
> >know a lot more about oldsmobiles than i do computer's  I look
> >forward to contributing to this forum!!! Thank's!!! 
> >
> Hello to you.  Nice cars.
> 
> Now that I know of someone W/little knowledge of computers, all I need is an 
> acquaintance W/little knowledge of Oldsmobiles.  I own a 1967 Toronado, 1968 
> 442 4-Speed convertible, & a 1962 Jetfire turbocharged coupe.  Now If I knew 
> anything about Oldsmobiles I wouldn't be trying to keep an early turbo
> running, or a beginning front wheel drive driving, or a convertible out of 
> the 90 degree heat here in AL.
> 
> I would explain to you the trouble I am having W/computers, but I can't 
> explain it to myself yet.
> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
> >
> >
> Hello bill, you certainly have your hands full!!Quite a unique group
>of oldsmobile's!!! Hey when you figure out the computer will ya' let me know, i
can't even b.s. to myself yet.
     
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From: Todd Hall <thall@en.com>
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:42:49 -0300 
Subject: fuel lines 
     
I drained the old gas out of my '72 Cutlass this morning. I pulled one of 
the fuel lines from the back of the tank and siphoned it out. What I was 
curious about is why are there four fuel lines out of the tank and where do 
they all go?  
     
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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:53:03 -0300 
Subject: Re: oldsmobiles 
     
At 01:28 AM 7/7/96 -0300, you wrote: 
>Mike Frederick wrote:
>> 
>> Michael Brady wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>Hey speaking of toro's, I've often wondered why they never reached a 
>higher level of collectability? After all they were the " flag ship" of 
>the olds line, and i believe way ahead of there time. The 66' toro has 
>really grown on me over the year's and it woulnd'nt surprise me if some 
>day one of these will sit next to one of my 4-4-2s. Take care.
>
This man isn't just any kind of nut - he's a REAL CAR NUT!  I just knew that 
there was something about his handwriting that showed intelligence.  My 442 
& Toronado just wouldn't sleep right if the other was missing.
     
Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama
>
>
     
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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 23:59:15 -0300 
Subject: Re: oldsmobiles 
     
At 01:42 AM 7/7/96 -0300, you wrote: 
>Lloyd Culp wrote:
>> 
>> >> >
>> Hello bill, you certainly have your hands full!!Quite a unique group 
>>of oldsmobile's!!! Hey when you figure out the computer will ya' let me 
know, i can't even b.s. to myself yet.
     
>My Grandfatther always said that the only thing worse than women was 
automobiles.  Sometimes he reversed that.  He died before computers got 
around (1969) or they would have been on his hit list too.
     
Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama
>
     
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From: Rod Rickenbach <rod@hopi.dtcc.edu> 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 00:15:14 -0300 
Subject: Re: 493 olds stroker..
     
On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Ken wrote:
     
> The Mondello article calls for 455 Forged Buick rods in the recipe for the 493
     
> Olds.  Are all Buick 455 rods forged?  I've found a 1976 Buick Electra w/455 
an d 
> posi for $125.  Will the rods in this car be forged? 
     
1) Yes, all Buick 455 rods are forged.
     
2) It would be a shame to trash a good running Buick 455 for just the rods.
     
     
- -Rod "Hey, Buicks are neat too!"
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    Rod Rickenbach                                       Delaware Tech
     rod@dtcc.edu                                 Computer Services Department
http://www.dtcc.edu/~rod                            Stanton/Wilmington Campus
     
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From: Tom Sagaser <tomsag@emh1.tic.bismarck.nd.us> 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 01:16:44 -0300
Subject: mail
     
Please remove my name from the Olds mailing list.  I am getting all 
kinds of chatter type mail that I don't want.
Thanks
tomsag
     
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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 03:26:44 -0300 
Subject: Re: fuel lines 
     
Well Tom, I just finished restoring my 72 and can tell
you what the four lines are for.  their are four lines coming 
from a vent that is located between the rear seat back
and the steel panel in the trunk.  This was done for emissions
in 72.  On the fuel tank you have five lines.  One is a feed, ones 
a return and the other three go the the vent.  So what you have is 
the feed goes to the fuel pump, and a return from the carb to the 
charcoal canister, from the canister to the rear of the vehicle to one line 
on the vent and so on.
     
     
72 442 W-30 Race Rocket
(W Machines Mark Prince)
470 hp   523lbs torque
     
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From: "fursmand" <fursmand@smtpgate.avi.af.mil> 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 03:33:15 -0300
Subject: unsubscribe 
     
Well Tom, I just finished restoring my 72 and can tell
you what the four lines are for.  their are four lines coming 
from a vent that is located between the rear seat back
and the steel panel in the trunk.  This was done for emissions
in 72.  On the fuel tank you have five lines.  One is a feed, ones 
a return and the other three go the the vent.  So what you have is 
the feed goes to the fuel pump, and a return from the carb to the 
charcoal canister, from the canister to the rear of the vehicle to one line 
on the vent and so on.
     
     
72 442 W-30 Race Rocket
(W Machines Mark Prince)
470 hp   523lbs torque
     
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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com> 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 05:31:39 -0300
Subject: New Olds movie?
     
Has anyone seen some ad for an upcoming Woody Harrelson film in which an 
apparently 71-72 Cutlass catches wild air?
     
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From: John & Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com> 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 08:26:51 -0300
Subject: '69 442 dash
     
Does anyone know a good source for dashes. It seems most suppliers 
(Supercars, Year One...) deal with everything but.
     
Also, does any one know of any solutions to fixing a cracked dash. 
     
......j
     
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From: John & Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com> 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 08:22:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Painting Engine
     
Lloyd Culp wrote:
> 
> At 05:10 PM 4/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
> >We have a '69 442 w/ a 455 and we want to paint the engine block. How 
> >hard is it to pull the engine and what's all entailed in doing so? Has 
> >anyone ever painted their block without pulling the engine?
> >
> >.....j&r
> 
> Pulling the engine isn't really hard, but does take time & can surely get 
> into the might-as-wells.  New motor mounts, accessories such as starters, 
> alternators, water pumps, etc., etc..  The engine is taken loose from the
> transmission and may lead ot leaks if you don't now have them.  It would be 
> a good time to put a new seal in the front of the transmission, possibly an 
> oil pan seal on the engine, or even a rear main seal. See what I mean?
> 
> To get it out, you need a hoist - you can rent that - & a friend or so to 
> help keep the engine steady and not banging everything up getting it in & 
> out.  The wiring including ground straps must be unhooked from the engine, 
> the radiator & fan must be removed, the engine must be unhooked from the
> transmission & all linkages must be unhooked, accessories like alternators, 
> AC, & sometimes the carburetor must be removed or unbolted & put out of the 
> way, the exhaust must be unbolted either at the engine or the manifolds, & 
> the motor mounts must be unbolted from the frame.
> 
> Once you get started under the hood, there seems to be no place to stop.  It 
> does look fabulous though.  I am painting my 442 W/engine in place.  It is a 
> chore, but by taking enough pieces off the engine, it can look very good.
> The engine and parts to be painted must be super clean - remember the paint 
> must stay and look nice for a while or it isn't worht the effort.  I am also 
> stuck W/painting mine the color that someone else gave it - some yucky
> orange - as it is very hard to get everywhere W/the engine in the car & that 
> stupid color would sure stand out against the correct bronze.
> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
> >
> >
Thanks for the info! Sounds like more than an hour project.... The 
reason I want to paint it is to get our 455 back to its original color 
blue. The last guy who rebuilt it painted it bronze for some reason. 
(Maybe bronze isn't a bad color for the time being ;) )
....j
     
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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 12:43:11 -0300 
Subject: Re: Painting Engine 
     
>> >
>> >
>Thanks for the info! Sounds like more than an hour project.... The 
>reason I want to paint it is to get our 455 back to its original color 
>blue. The last guy who rebuilt it painted it bronze for some reason. 
>(Maybe bronze isn't a bad color for the time being ;) )
>....j
>
>Any kind of color change nearly requires pulling the engine.  Some of those 
corners are near impossible to get at.  That is my delima also.
     
Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama
>
     
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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 12:48:50 -0300 
Subject: Re: '69 442 dash 
     
At 08:26 AM 7/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Does anyone know a good source for dashes. It seems most suppliers 
>(Supercars, Year One...) deal with everything but.
>
>Also, does any one know of any solutions to fixing a cracked dash. 
>
>......j
>John & Robin;
     
'Just Dashes' in California can repair anything moulded like this.  They 
replace the foam & covering to make a like new part that will last.  I don't 
know their costs, but I understand that it is similar to getting a new one 
($200?).  Their address & phone number is:
     
        Just Dashes
        5941 Lemona Avenue
        Van Nuys, CA  91411
        PH 1-800-247-3274
     
I have seen very nice work from them including the complicated Avanti dash 
that I am going to need redone.
     
Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama
     
>
>
     
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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 13:06:50 -0300 
Subject: Re: '69 442 dash
     
I can supply a dash for your 69. If interested, call me at (817))572-2924.
     
Art Fuller
     
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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com> 
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 1996 22:38:03 -0300 
Subject: RE: Hi Torque Starter
     
Try a bone yard for a starter off the diesel 350. Its high torque as well. 
     
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From: 	Paul R. K. Kuromoto[SMTP:suntzu@ohana.com] 
Sent: 	Saturday, July 06, 1996 5:08 PM
To: 	Michael Brady
Cc: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: Hi Torque Starter
     
Oddly, the Mondello high torque starter is the cheapest one I've seen for 
olds.  Most run well over 200 bucks but the one in the Mondello catalog 
is only 150.  Anyone else find a cheap one?
     
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 I used to think that the Information age would spawn a great 
 revolution as more people got smarter due to access to more 
 information.  To the contrary, now that any idiot can use the 
 Net, the integrity of the information contained therein has 
 been corrupted.                          --Suntzu@ohana.com
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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com> 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:35:47 -0300 
Subject: Re: oldsmobiles
     
Michael Brady wrote:
> 
> Hi mike, No i recently joined the wisconsin chapter, but i have a funny 
> feeling your right, maybe i'll run into him at quad state this 
> september?
     
Very possible.  He's up north somewhere right now on vacation blowing up 
moose or something.
     
> Hey speaking of toro's, I've often wondered why they never reached a
> higher level of collectability? After all they were the " flag ship" of 
> the olds line, and i believe way ahead of there time. 
     
Dunno.  I suspect it's due to the fact that Rocketheads in general have 
always been considered oddballs by the Chubby and F*rd folks and the 
Toroheads have always been considered to be oddballs by the 
Cutlass/442-heads.  We ARE odd (no argument there).  
     
Also, the Toros were sold as a "personal luxury" car not a factory/Hurst 
hot-rod (inspite of the fact it included one of the best motors Olds ever 
produced) so it never had the same road-monster image (or appeal) that 
some of the other Rockets do.  But time will tell!
     
> The 66' toro has really grown on me over the year's and it woulnd'nt 
> surprise me if some day one of these will sit next to one of my 4-4-2s. 
     
Good boy!
     
The 66 Toro and Mike
     
     
- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649
     
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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@kfmw.net> 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 10:02:53 -0300 
Subject: Stuff & Engine Paint
     
> The last guy who rebuilt it painted it bronze for some reason.
     
Don't you have a 69 442?  That would be the correct color for the engine 
for a 69 442.  I've done the same thing in my 68 (paint a 455 bronze).
     
Anyway onto the misc....
     
I got my Mondello book finally and the Cars & Parts book.  The Mondello 
book almost qualifies for a magazine, instead of a book.  However, there 
is some good tech info in there.  Worth the money.  I haven't seen 
anybody mention the cars and parts book.  It it basically the how do you 
decode these numbers type of book.  However, it does include stuff all 
the way up to '91.  The other bonus in this book is the photos of paint 
and trim colors.  Very nice.
     
I've been really busy lately and have only been monitoring the list.  
Lots of traffic lately.  Glad to see that, but it sure makes it hard to 
keep up with.
     
- -Dan
     
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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com> 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 22:04:09 -0300 
Subject: Re: Stuff & Engine Paint
     
Dan Williams wrote:
> 
> Lots of traffic lately.  Glad to see that, but it sure makes it hard to 
> keep up with.
     
You ain't seem lots yet, Dan.  This is quiet.  Very quiet.  Wait til the 
weather up North turns cold again -- then you'll see LOTS AND LOTS!
     
The 66 Toro and Mike
     
     
- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649
     
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From: Rocketeer <bparker@nmsu.edu>
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:14:07 -0300 
Subject: Atlanta area subscribers
     
Does anyone on this list that belong/associate with the Dixie Olds Club 
happen to know Phil Welch? Any response would be appreciated.
     
     
Boyd Parker (aka Rocketeer)                |
                                           |  Why drive just a car...
1966 4-speed Cutlass Convertible           |  when you can ride a rocket ! 
1970 4-4-2 Convertible                     |  
                                          /|\ 
                                         / | \
                                           |
     
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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 19:28:32 -0300 
Subject: Re: Atlanta area subscribers 
     
At 07:14 PM 7/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Does anyone on this list that belong/associate with the Dixie Olds Club 
>happen to know Phil Welch? Any response would be appreciated.
>
>
>Boyd Parker (aka Rocketeer)                
>
>Boyd:
     
Not being in an Olds club now, I don't believe that I know Phil Welch.
     
Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama                                          | 
>
>
>
>
     
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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu> 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:18:15 -0300
Subject: Re: '71 442 taillight bezels
     
On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Darrell T. Weinman, M.D. wrote:
     
> Dear Oldspersons:
> 
> Any information as to how to obtain '71 taillight bezels? 
> 
     
Darrell,
     
Two words:  Larry Camuso.  He's a used parts seller in California whom 
I've dealt with several times, and he is excellent.  I currently have an 
order in with him now for a number of trim and interior pieces for my '75 
Delta 88.  He advertises in Hemmings.  Call him at (408) 286-6537, 9am - 
9pm, M-F.  And no, he's not my brother-in-law!
     
     
Dan Gulino
     
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From: RbtNeumann@aol.com
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:20:39 -0300 
Subject: Help me beat the EPA 
     
It is time for my first...and last...emissions check for the state of Ohio.
 This is such a scam, but it must be done for reregistration.  I hear they're
pretty leniant, but I guess I don't want to take any chances.  The car is my 
72 Delta 88 Conv. w/ stock 350, 4bbl Qjet, and stock single exhaust.  It runs 
great...starts right up and hustles that beast of a car all around town quite 
regularly.  Any advice?  Lean up the carb or leave it be?  Which fuel 
additive is best?  I know they make some that guarantee your car to pass 
e-check.  If I can clean some of the carbon build-up out of the engine, that 
would be killing to birds with one stone.  Thanks in advance...
     
- -Aaron
     
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From: Mark Samaniego <marks@IntNet.net> 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:29:26 -0300 
Subject: Temperature Gauge.... 307/4Bbl
     
Hello, All... I just purchased a cheepie Sun mechanical water 
temperature guage, and was wondering where I should install the sending 
unit. It says I can't use a "T" connector, and I don't want to disturb 
the computer's signal. It's a 1986 Olds 307/4Bbl. It's been pinging a 
lot, and I can't seem to get it to stop. I replaced the thermostat 
(190deg), radiator, hoses, and the water pump. I bought a flex fan 
today, and a spacer (gonna get rid of the clutch) but I would like to 
get the guage installed first so I can compare the temp readings. I know 
this isn't the most accurate gauge, but it will do fine for my needs... 
until I get that 455 built! I see three sending units in the front of 
the intake manifold, I assume the one in the very front is the oil 
pressure sender, due to it's small neck circumference. Which other one 
can I use?  
     
(as for the overheating, yes, the EGR valve is fine, I also bought a can 
of GM top engine cleaner which I am going to use today)
     
     
Sorry to be so long winded...
     
Mark S.
     
Fast Boat - Slow Car.. :(
     
P.S.  Does anyone have Mark Martone's Email address? (Clearwater FL) 
- -- 
** Lost In Cyberspace, Wallowing In Technology **
     
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From: "Darrell T. Weinman, M.D." <bigd@wave.net> 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 10:44:34 -0300
Subject: Re: '71 442 taillight bezels
     
Dear Dan:
     
Thanks for the lead.  I'm familiar with his operation in San Jose, CA. 
from years back when I subscribed to the OCA newsletter.
     
I'll call him tomorrow
     
DTW
     
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From: bryce_smith@442.com (Bryceman) 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:19:01 -0300 
Subject: Re: '69 442 dash 
     
>Does anyone know a good source for dashes. It seems most suppliers 
>(Supercars, Year One...) deal with everything but.
>
>Also, does any one know of any solutions to fixing a cracked dash.
     
I would try Halls Olds salvage. last time I was there, they had three 69 
dashes. Their address and phone is on the Olds page under Olds Parts 
Sources link.
     
     
 EXCESSIVE IRON rules the road!
'65 442
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender
 bryceman@442.com
 www.442.com
     
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From: jrjet@whidbey.net (Dot & Tim McChesney) 
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 21:37:19 -0300
Subject: new olds in the family 
     
>Well its been a interesting weekend I got approached by a friend getting 
>out of the militry and he wanted to get rid of his 74 cutlass supreme. He 
>made me an offer to clean his militry houseing for the car.  Well needless 
>to say I am the new owner of the car, its  a CA. car with 69,000 miles, 
>Rocket 350,and the body is stright and paint is in good shape other than a 
>few thin spots fron a heavey handed buffer. the only dislikes are the 
>white and dark green interior and the points distributer.  Now I can take 
>the 71 convertable out of daily service and put on some of the big parts 
>that are waiting for a long weekend.
     
Tim McChesney
71 Cutlass convertable
74 Cutlass Supreme
     
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From: Ken <rottin@en.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 1996 20:58:24 -0300 
Subject: Re: 493 olds stroker..
     
Michael Brady wrote:
> i am in the process of installing dynomax coated header's
> on my 400 cu.in.olds motor, they are not cheap but i believe well worth
> it, they reduce engine compartment heat and stay looking great year after 
> year, i am also installing a mondello high torque starter and shield for 
> both starter and solenoid. Let me know what you pick out, good luck with 
> your 67', i enjoyed my 67' 4-4-2 very much, it was saffron yeelow with a 
> yellow interior, redlines, correct pipes, with air cond. and a 4-speed!! 
> Good luck!!
     
  Jeez, you sound like a dynomax rep! ;)  I went with the dynomax headers 
(non-coated)... It is a major headache putting em in.. specially with the 
4-speed..  I had to dent the drivers side pipes to clear the steering shaft, 
and 
     
the passenger side to clear the upper part of the "A" arm..  I hope you dont end
     
up having to dent your set.. I would imagine it will ruin the ceramic coating.. 
It took me a day to get the drivers side in and about half a day to put the 
passenger side in.  Now that they are in I'm getting a strange sound.. kinda 
like
     
a blower motor on high with bad berrings.  I think the headers may still be 
rubbing somewhere.. Looking back on it, I dont think they were worth the 
trouble. . 
:(
     
Ken
Cleveland, Oh
1967 442 Convertible grudgingly with headers(4-speed too!)
     
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