
oldsmobile-digest           Tuesday, 9 July 1996        Volume 01 : Number 227


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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:15:47 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 W-32 and U-joints 

          
On another note. What is the best way to check U-joints? Car on jack stands? 

        OK, that'll work

Standard transmission in 1st? 

        With the E-brake off or trans in neutral with the E-brake on

How much play in the driveshaft is normal? 

        There will always be some gear backlash in the trans and diff.  What 
you want to look for is NO relative motion between the yokes on either side 
of the u-joint.  In other words, the roller bearings in the u-joint should 
have no play whatsoever.

If I get any play at all does that mean that something 
(Tranny,u-joint,rear-end) is messed up? Please advise.

        Play in the u-joints, yes.  Play in the gears, not necessarily.  As 
noted above, some backlash is normal.  I assume that the loud auditory 
feedback (ie, CLUNK) has caused you to question the u-joints.  Typically you 
will get plenty of warning before a u-joint fails catastrophically (assuming 
that you are much smarter than me and do something about this warning _before_ 
your driveshaft passes you in a turn :( ).


          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
          
          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30
          
     Pat Clark
         69 442
               400/TH400
         clark@abu.dseg.ti.com
          
     The careful application of terror is also a form of communication.
          

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From: davei-2@mail.idt.net (Dave Isho)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:27:22 -0300
Subject: 67 diff. 

I have a 67 cutlass differential with a 10 bolt cover...it has 3.08 gears
:-(  that are shot. This diff is a limited slip.

I also have a diff that came out of a 67 cutlass (not the original rear nor
a limited slip) this one has a 12 bolt cover but is not a 12 bolt rear it
also has 3.08 gears. Is there any reason why I can't swap the gears and put
them in the rear that has the limited slip? I assume that since the good
diff. has a 10 bolt ring gear, it would fit. Any help would be appreciated
as I'm planning on swapping them this weekend.
>Dave Isho davei-2@mail.idt.net
- ---------------------------
>67 Cutlass CS Convertible

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From: Graham Stewart <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:37:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Need parts identified...

On Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:53:51 -0400 Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:

> From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
> Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 16:53:51 -0400
> Subject: Need parts identified...
> To: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
> 
> Hey, anyone out there that can help me?
> 
> I have a set of heads and a 4-bbl manifold off an un-known Olds engine. 
> The  car was either a '70 or '74 Cutlass 4-door (I think).  I don't know the
> engine size, but I'm sure it was the original engine.  After scraping off
> some of the grease and grime, I discovered that the original color was a
> gold/bronze.  The Intake manifold has OLDSMOBILE cast into it in raised
> letters.  The only numbers I could find on the heads looked like: 
> CFB 411 828, but the light was dim and they were covered in oil. 
> There were no apparent numbers on the intake manifold, except for
> the firing order.  The valve covers had Oldsmobile embossed on them,
> and were also the same gold/bronze color.
> 
> If anyone can tell me what cid engine these came off of, I'd really
> appreciate it.  If those numbers are incorrect, tell me where to find the
> correct ones.  Thanks!
> 
> -BS
> 
Blaine:  I looked up 411828 in a full size Olds parts catalog (already a dubious 
effort for an engine out of a Cutlass): it is assigned to fuel tank straps for 73-74 exc. 
 wagons.  Not too much help.  GM has 2 listings for Cylinder Head in its catalog: 
the plain head and complete with valves, springs and rotators.  I don't know which 
listing they used for production stamping numbers, but 411 sounds right, as 
411186 is listed as belonging to 72 455s.  Sorry, this isn't much help to you ... 

Graham Stewart
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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From: "wesf@hpdmm12.boi.hp.com" <wesf@hpdmm12.boi.hp.com> 
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:31:33 -0300
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #218 

>Has anyone here put headers on a 75 Cutlass Supreme, H/O? What kind is the
>best and most affordable? I want to put some headers on my Hurst before I
>put the fenders back on. I plan to run a 2.5 Flowmaster dual exhaust system
>with an equalizer tube. I will probably go with a Flowmaster 2 chamber
>muffler for the extra rumble. I have a 3 chamber on my Z/28 and would like
>it a *little* louder. I have heard the 2 chamber on a chevelle and it
>sounded mean.

Jason, the fit will be real tight on the left side, especially with
the lower frame brace in place.  I think someone reported a few 
years ago that '75 was one of those years that was not included
in most header compatability catalogs.  Better pick up a new tranny
crossmember, too.  The one that should be in the car might only have
one hump for the exhaust, instead of two (at least mine did, but I'm
not sure on yours since the THM-350 uses a different crossmember than
the THM-400).

Wes Fujii

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 11:52:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Need parts identified...

Been reading some of the postings re. trying to find parts numbers, 
etc... some of the confusion is due to the issue of CASTING numbers being 
mistaken for parts numbers. Even though you'd think they'd be the same, 
often they're not. I don't know if anyone - maybe our Mr. Witt, or Joe 
Mondello, or someone else - has a reliable list of casting numbers 
cross-referenced to part number, which is what it sounds like you need....

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 12:54:50 -0300
Subject: Car Craft www column 

The recent issue of Car Craft has a www column featuring three sites.  
Suprise, suprise, the first is a Ch*vy (Nova) site.  The great thing is 
that in the Netscape 2.x frame on the left is "Bryceman's Olds Page, Olds 
Extravaganza"!  I would expect Bryce's page would be featured soon!

The other two pages were an AMX site and I think a Mopar site.  I'll post 
'em tomorrow.

David Brown          OCA #27978         (312) 702-9157
  Check out: www.442.com ("Oldsmobile Extravaganza")
Send Olds FAQ request to: dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:20:57 -0300
Subject: Oldsmobile Centennial Info 

          From the Oldsmobile Web site, in case you haven't seen this 
          yet:
          
          Oldsmobile Centennial will be held in Lansing, MI Aug 
          20-23,1997.  We would like to know if you are interested in 
          coming.  If you would like a form sent to you regarding 
          attending, contact Dave_Byers@Lansing-Online.com with name 
          and address and we will mail one out.  Olds forever!
          
          
          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
          
          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 05:27:56 -0300
Subject: Re: radiator replacement 

     Along the same lines I thought I might say for anyone interested that 
     the G-body cutlass's came with 2-row and 3-row radiators, and 
     upgrading from a 2 to 3 row is almost a drop in fit.  When the 2-row 
     went bad on my '79 Cutlass w/ 260 a few years ago I went down to get a 
     replacement.  The 3-row was only a few bucks more than the 2-row, and 
     the specs in the book showed it the same dimension, so I ordered it.  
     The only thing that needed to be done to make it fit (car had A/C too) 
     was to trim the rubber mounts (attached to the top radiator support) 
     that hold the top of the radiator.  The 3-row had bigger tanks.  The 
     rubber mounts for the 2-row were shaped something like this:
     
                  <-- nipple to hold the top part in.
    ___________/\_____________________
   / _____________________            \
  /_/ (rad top fits here) \____________\

     I just needed to cut part of it out with a hack saw and everything fit.

                  <-- nipple to hold the top part in.
    ___________/\_____________________
   / ________________________________ \
  /_/                     **removed**\_\

     I thought this might be worth mentioning in light of the current  
     discussion, perhaps a good item to add to the FAQ.

Tom L.

______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: radiator replacement
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    7/9/96 7:57 AM


     Well, I read the long instructions given by Joe Padavano about fitting 
     a 4-row radiator into a space that previously held a 3-row unit, and I 
     must 

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:40:36 -0300
Subject: '67 Cutlass/442 Conv. Sound (Was Re: Rear speaker)

Been very very busy at work, this is our "crisis week", but I took a few minutes
at lunch to peruse the Olds stuff, and came across this thread, to which I'd
like to add my 2 Federation Credits...

As far as the original question, whether or not there was a rear speaker for
the '67 ragtops:  I seem to recall hearing something about a covered speaker
in the top of the middle of the rear seat, installed on cars with the "reverb"
AM option.  I had certainly seen it in my Unlce's two '66 Poncho ragtops, and
I was under the impression (dunno where) that the Cutlass/442 ragtops could
get it too...

Now, here's what I did in *my* '67 CS ragtop for sounds:

The car did not have the original AM radio anyway (not that I was going for
points at a show), and a pair of ratty R*dio Sh*ck Minima 7 bookshelf speaks
taking up valuable real estate on the back seat.  It was spooky, the *only*
radio station the tuner could pick up was the '60s Oldies station -- I'm sure
this had to do with the fact that it's one of the more powerful broadcasters
in the Boston area -- but there was something "Stephen King-esque " about
the fact that the '67 only picked up tunes from that era.  But I digress...

I ended up putting 6" co-axials in the doors, and 3.5" co-axials in the
rear armrest-cum-conv. top piston covers.  All Pioneer, as well as the nice
Supertuner III w/detachable faceplate.  The unit is also CD-changer ready,
if'n I can convince the boss that I need to spend $400 on a changer ;)

It ain't stock, but it looks nice, and the speakers aren't too obvious.
And it sounds awesome -- I can clearly hear the music at 75 w/ the top down :)



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'88 Cadillac Brougham, a.k.a. 'Big Blue' -- Olds 307 Powered!!
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: davei-2@mail.idt.net (Dave Isho)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:50:59 -0300
Subject: 67 diff. questions 

Hey man how's it going??? Haven't heard from you in a while. When are you
going to be back in town so we can have a beer or two?? I've been driving
the rag around a bit. I have a question if you don't mind:

My Cutlass differential has  a 10 bolt cover...it has 3.08 gears :-(  that
are shot. This diff is a limited slip.

I also have a diff that came out of the  67 cutlass parts car (not the
original rear nor a limited slip) this one has a 12 bolt cover but is not a
12 bolt rear it also has 3.08 gears. Is there any reason why I can't swap
the gears and put them in the rear that has the limited slip? I assume that
since the good diff. has a 10 bolt ring gear, it would fit.



<<----->>

July 9, 1996
12:48 pm

- ---------------------------
>Dave Isho --- davei-2@mail.idt.net
>67 Cutlass CS Convertible

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From: Richard Bonazzoli <bonazzoli@5onflr.ENET.dec.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 13:48:45 -0300
Subject: Re: '84  H/O 

>    Check the settings of the TPS and idle mixture solenoid.  The idle mixture
>     solenoid is a tricky adjustment, you'd best have a manual for that.
>     TPS is pretty easy. 

Keep in mind that the TPS needs to be checked with a Digital volt meter that 
is accurate to a hundreth of a volt.  The setting should be around .46 volts, 
but don't quote me on that.

Having said that, I doubt the problem is in the TPS, as you would likely
be getting a code from the computer.  The engine should be allowed to
warm up though, so that some other failing sensors will report as well.

Rich

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From: davei-2@mail.idt.net (Dave Isho)
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 14:01:23 -0300
Subject: Re: 67 diff. questions 

>Hey man how's it going??? Haven't heard from you in a while. When are you
>going to be back in town so we can have a beer or two?? I've been driving
>the rag around a bit. I have a question if you don't mind:
>
oops!!!

- ---------------------------
>Dave Isho --- davei-2@mail.idt.net
>67 Cutlass CS Convertible

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:09:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Fwd: Shift kits

Mike Hall wrote:

> The key, in my opinion, to long lasting longevity to a automatic 
> transmission is "DO NOT MANUALLY SHIFT GEARS". Most people tend to 
> forget the automatic in automatic transmission for some reason.

I'm confused, Mike.  Are for for it or a'gin it?  Or are you saying don't 
shift it unless you have a shift kit?

> If you must shift gears, the fix is simple, get a "MANUAL transmission.

Tell that to the Toro.

The (shiftless) 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:11:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Need help with heavy gas padel( 89 CUT CIERA)

Joanne Beausoleil wrote:
> 
> Your cable could be frayed.

Good point, Joanne.  I got an old V*lvo that I have to pull the clutch 
cable out every couple of months and drip cable-lube down though it so I 
don't have to use both feet on the clutch.

The 66 Toro and Mike
 
 
- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:05:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Parts...

Mike Hall wrote:
> 
> (close to the "middle of the mitten" for you Michiganders).

You wouldn't want to know the Florida version of that.    :o

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:18:50 -0300
Subject: Re: '67 Cutlass/442 Conv. Sound (Was Re: Rear speaker)

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
> 
> ... the "reverb" AM option.

BTW, there is a way to add this somewhat cheesy effect using currently 
available parts if anyone is interested.

> It was spooky, the *only* radio station the tuner could pick up was the 
> '60s Oldies station -- 

Do NOT attempt to adjust you set!  WE are in control!

> It ain't stock, but it looks nice, and the speakers aren't too obvious.
> And it sounds awesome 

It it sounds good, it is good.

The 66 Toro and the Control Voice


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 15:10:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Parts...

Andrew,									        
    I need a demo for my tape deck.  If it is for sale, how much is it?         
                                                                                
 Art Fuller

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:18:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Hi Torque Starter 

In a message dated 96-07-07 23:31:17 EDT, you write:

<< You better forget putting it in a ggas car tho - the body is lonmgger, 
 which requires moving the driver's side motor mount forward.  You'd rip 
 your hair out trying ro relocate the frame pad unless you yanked the motor.
>>


Which cars are you talking about?  All Olds'?  Or just "A" bodies?  Or?

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:50:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Headers (was: 493 olds stroker..) 

In a message dated 96-07-08 10:50:21 EDT, you write:

<<  I plan to 
           try Hooker next, as they seem to be the best built and 
           best-fitting units.
            >>
A buddy with a '66 GTO just installed a competition set of Hookers.  He had
major problems with clutch linkage interference.  Had to but and re-weld the
Z-arm.

The older (about 10 years) Olds headers on my '67 are very nicely designed
around the Z-arm.  Go figger.

Bob Handren

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From: Paul Bartlett <bartletp@osshe.edu>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 17:13:39 -0300
Subject: Re: found 1966 Toronado for sale

Darrell,

The 1966 Toronado I saw for sale is on highway 99 south of Medford Oregon,
by Talent Oregon.  Its on a used car lot -- full of old cars that have
been sitting for a long time.  Across the street is another lot that
seems to specialize in old trucks that have been sitting for a long
time.

I live in Corvallis, so I don't know where the Rogue Animal Hospital is.
I'm not sure if we're speaking of the same car.  However the term "dog"
seems an apt description of the car I saw... 

Do you by chance also own a Toronado and also live in Oregon?

Thanks, Paul

 > > Dear Paul:

 > > Is that the Toro dog back of
Rogue Animal Hospital used car lot? > > DTW
> 
> 


- -- 
Paul Bartlett
E-mail bartletp@osshe.edu

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 18:26:34 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Headers (was: 493 olds stroker..) 

            
A buddy with a '66 GTO just installed a competition set of Hookers.  He had 
major problems with clutch linkage interference.  Had to but and re-weld the 
Z-arm.
          
The older (about 10 years) Olds headers on my '67 are very nicely designed 
around the Z-arm.  Go figger.
          
Bob Handren
          
          I suspect the operative term is "competition", as these tend 
          to be larger diameter tubes than street headers.  Also, a 
          "racer" is assumed to be willing to put up with some 
          compromises/fabrication in the pursuit of the last elusive 
          pony.  I am interested in your comment about the 10 year old 
          headers fitting better, however, as this is similar to my 
          own experience.  The sets I bought in the 70s fit much 
          better than those I have bought within the last 10 years, 
          even when from the same vendor.  I guess the little ol' lady 
          lost the recipe.  Or maybe this has something to do with the 
          fact that the last big block Olds was built twenty years ago 
          (bow heads for a moment of silence... ).
          
          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
          
          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30 ...ALL big block powered!

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 16:33:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Parts... 

>Andrew
>    I need a demo for my tape deck.  If it is for sale, how much is it?

???

Um, 'tweren't me; I posted a followup only. Unfortunately I've already
deleted the original post from whoever had the tape.

Be that as it may, I do happen to have an 8-track _recorder_, which was
still working the last time I tried it a couple years ago, so if anyone
wants to make 8-track recordings to play in their old cars, contact me
in email and we can probably arrange it.

>>> NOTE: You'll have to supply the 8-track cartridge for recording;
>>> I haven't got any spares. Your local Radio Shack might have 'em!

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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>>        In fact, when I see an `83 camaro I expect it to be modified.  As
>>often as not,  they have had a broomstick through the cat converter and
>>muffler, traction bars, and rear tires that don't fit in the fender wells.
>>The latter is typically mated to a tired 200HP engine & drivetrain that has

[SNIP]

I call these the "Mattel Hot Wheels" cars. You forgot the cut springs that
make them comically bounce down the road.

>
>You speaketh the truth! Don't forget all the trucks with way-too-many
>ground effects and an engine that's all muffler. I'm pretty sure those cars
>suck, I love seeing Mustangs (yellow 1994 GTs are my favorite) in my
>rearview mirror. So long as my already 4500 pound car isn't weighed down
>with junk (including people) it will pass everything except the gas
>station. =)

Well, a BMW 325 pulled away from me the other day... I can live with that
for a while, but, this is not what I had in mind...
As I mentioned originally, Brakes first, Suspension second, Rocket power
third...

>
>Finally glad to see another 1965 Olds 98 owner on the list. Let me know if
>you need me to decode any of the numbers, I have a set of original chassis
>and body manuals. Keep in touch!
>Nick

[SNIP]

Yo!! I am very surprised! Up till now, I thought everybody rebuilt 442's
and Cutlussi (sp?;-). No offense, but I thought I was the only person that
thought this car was worth the time until I found this list. I am keeping
the suggestions so far and will use them to define the stages to upgrade
the "Great White Shark". I'll try to get the digital camera out and take
some pictures for a Web page to show the progress.

BTW, one of the main goals is to make this beast appear as stock as
possible so I can enjoy the full impact of shock and surprise as I take off
like the rocket on the emblem.

One last thing; Can I get the steering box to respond quicker if I used a
bigger/better power steering pump? The one on there is fine for cruising
around, and I don't think that there is anything wrong with it, but I can't
get the wheel to move fast enough. Would a pump capable of more volume (not
pressure) help this? Should I be looking for a different steering box
instead (less turns lock-to-lock)?


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At 06:32 PM 4/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I found a green liquid beginning to rust the front passenger floor pan in my
>`72 Vista Cruiser     My motor's auto repair manual says that the heater
>case assembly comes out after the blower motor is removed but that can't be
>right.  They must mean the blower an shroud along with it. 
>
>>Greg Pruett
>
>Greg:

Unfortunately the manual is right.  Good cars have been sent to heaven over
the heater core &/or fan replacement.  My Buick GS had a flap cut into the
fenderwell to get at the fan motor because one must either remove the inner
fender or much of the RF fender to replace it.  When you look carefully,
you'll see that there is no room for removal any other way.

You might try removing the inner fender as they are plastic on an Olds
(metal on Buick).  That might be easier than getting that fender loose so as
to get enough room for removal without.  I wish I could say have a nice day,
but you'll be busy for that day.

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Decatur, Alabama


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Well Ken I never called myself a Buick expert, but would say its safe to =
assume that they are forged. I have never seen rods in any motor that =
aren't forged because unlike a crank rods take a lot more abuse. Still I =
would double check against a knowledgeable Buick source.

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Subject: 	493 olds stroker..

The Mondello article calls for 455 Forged Buick rods in the recipe for =
the 493=20
Olds.  Are all Buick 455 rods forged?  I've found a 1976 Buick Electra =
w/455 and=20
posi for $125.  Will the rods in this car be forged?=20

Thanks,
Ken
Cleveland, Ohio
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The Mondello article calls for 455 Forged Buick rods in the recipe for the 493 
Olds.  Are all Buick 455 rods forged?  I've found a 1976 Buick Electra w/455
and 
posi for $125.  Will the rods in this car be forged? 

Thanks,
Ken
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At 08:24 PM 5/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>>        
>>
>>
>
>Yo!! I am very surprised! Up till now, I thought everybody rebuilt 442's
>and Cutlussi (sp?;-). No offense, but I thought I was the only person that
>thought this car was worth the time until I found this list. I am keeping
>the suggestions so far and will use them to define the stages to upgrade
>the "Great White Shark". I'll try to get the digital camera out and take
>some pictures for a Web page to show the progress.
>
>>
>One last thing; Can I get the steering box to respond quicker if I used a
>bigger/better power steering pump? The one on there is fine for cruising
>around, and I don't think that there is anything wrong with it, but I can't
>get the wheel to move fast enough. Would a pump capable of more volume (not
>pressure) help this? Should I be looking for a different steering box
>instead (less turns lock-to-lock)?
>
>
>Dan:

I appreciate those 98's even though I don't happen to have one.  I just
consider my Toronado a 2 door sport type 98.

The new pump should solve the lack of reaction problem, but consider the
faster variable ratio steering sectors used on the 1970 & up cars.  I
believe that they are a bolt in.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama



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>BTW: I have a brother named Mike Hall, not an olds guy tho'...


That's too bad, it would be fun to talk to another "Mike Hall" who is a 
Olds gearhead...

:-)


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Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
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What would be a good header to use on this car.  Hookers seem overly expensive,

will Headman fit well and perform?

Ken
Cleveland, Oh
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Chris Urban wrote:
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> I heard good and bad things about all headers, some fit better in some cars
such as late model's and some fit better in older cars. Also keep in 
mind that if t
> 
> ----------
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> Sent:   Saturday, July 06, 1996 9:59 AM
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> 
> What would be a good header to use on this car.  Hookers seem overly
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> will Headman fit well and perform?
> 
> Ken
> Cleveland, Oh
> 1967 442 ConvertibleHello ken, i am in the process of installing dynomax
coated header's
on my 400 cu.in.olds motor, they are not cheap but i believe well worth
it, they reduce engine compartment heat and stay looking great year after 
year, i am also installing a mondello high torque starter and shield for 
both starter and solenoid. Let me know what you pick out, good luck with 
your 67', i enjoyed my 67' 4-4-2 very much, it was saffron yeelow with a 
yellow interior, redlines, correct pipes, with air cond. and a 4-speed!!
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From: Jason Barnes <junko@YorkU.CA>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:03:14 -0300
Subject: Alternator Upgrade Q

Hi everyone.

  Can anyone tell me the correct way to wire an internally regulated
alternator in place of the external type on my 71 CS convertible (daily driver)?.
Ive read that this type needs the dash lamp somewhere in the circuit
to prevent a back charge somehow. ?

Umm

thanks 

Jason Barnes
Toronto. Ontario

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Dear Oldspersons:

Any information as to how to obtain '71 taillight bezels?

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Hello olds freaks, i thought i would introduce myself to everybody, i 
know a lot more about oldsmobiles than i do computer's so if i mess up 
please forgive me, i'm learning!!! I have owned several oldsmobiles over 
the year's including a 62'88, 68'cutlass S, 67'4-4-2, 68' hurst, and 
currently a triple black 69' 4-4-2 4-speed car, I am also a member of 
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Oddly, the Mondello high torque starter is the cheapest one I've seen for 
olds.  Most run well over 200 bucks but the one in the Mondello catalog 
is only 150.  Anyone else find a cheap one?

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I heard good and bad things about all headers, some fit better in some =
cars such as late model's and some fit better in older cars. Also keep =
in mind that if there have been any modifications done to the car over =
the years like motor mount replacement, things added under the hood this =
will affect the fit. The most important thing here is to buy the proper =
size (dia) for your application, and engine combination.In this case I =
would recommend 1 7/8 " dia.

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What would be a good header to use on this car.  Hookers seem overly =
expensive,=20
will Headman fit well and perform?

Ken
Cleveland, Oh
1967 442 Convertible






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At 06:20 PM 7/5/96 -0300, clint@boto.netherworld.org wrote:

Clint, I will be getting in a 1982 Cutlass Calais with t-tops, good blue
headliner, etc. Need any t-top related items? Also have a rally pac and
center console in the car.

Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1988 Camaro IROC-Z/28 5.0 bowtie power  
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25 5.7 rocket power     
HOCA member #0278A...in need of 75 H/O and 442 parts!



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Just ran across a pair of 82 toronados. Pretty complete. If anyone 
interested. also a question. I also ran across a pair of 2A heads and 
another pair of 10 or maybe an O not sure which. would either of these be 
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> > Those of us driving G-body's (78-87 Cutlasses) that have t-tops have an
> > interior lighting problem, as no overhead dome light is provided - there

For functionality, you might try one of those lights that plugs into the 
cig lighter -- you can buy them at Wal-Mart or Auto Zone for around three 
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Michael, nice to have you here. I am in the OCA and H/OCA also. I own a 75
H/O W-25 that I am currently restoring. You have had some nice cars.....

At 08:09 PM 7/6/96 -0300, Michael Brady wrote:
>Hello olds freaks, i thought i would introduce myself to everybody, i 
>know a lot more about oldsmobiles than i do computer's so if i mess up 
>please forgive me, i'm learning!!! I have owned several oldsmobiles over 
>the year's including a 62'88, 68'cutlass S, 67'4-4-2, 68' hurst, and 
>currently a triple black 69' 4-4-2 4-speed car, I am also a member of 
>oca,performance chapter,starfire-jetstar1 chapter,illinois valley olds 
>club, wisconsin chapter, and hurst club, yea' i'm a olds nut!!! I look 
>forward to contributing to this forum!!! Thank's!!!

Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
1988 Camaro IROC-Z/28 5.0 bowtie power  
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25 5.7 rocket power     
HOCA member #0278A...in need of 75 H/O and 442 parts!



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Mike Frederick wrote:
> 
> Michael Brady wrote:
> >
> > Hello olds freaks, i thought i would introduce myself to everybody...
> 
> Hey, Olds freak!  Good to see another Michael on the list (we got way too
> many Greg(g)s).  Nice assortment of wheels, too.
> 
> Wisconsin?  You don't know a Toro-nut named Greg (what else) Kalkhoff,
> AKA Sparky, do you.  You will.    ;)
> 
> The 66 Toro and Mike
> 
> --
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO
> Edison3, Incorporated
> Tampa, Florida
> (813) 210-8649
> Hi mike, No i recently joined the wisconsin chapter, but i have a funny
feeling your right, maybe i'll run into him at quad state this september? 
Hey speaking of toro's, I've often wondered why they never reached a 
higher level of collectability? After all they were the " flag ship" of 
the olds line, and i believe way ahead of there time. The 66' toro has 
really grown on me over the year's and it woulnd'nt surprise me if some 
day one of these will sit next to one of my 4-4-2s. Take care.


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Well Tom, I just finished restoring my 72 and can tell
you what the four lines are for.  their are four lines coming
from a vent that is located between the rear seat back
and the steel panel in the trunk.  This was done for emissions
in 72.  On the fuel tank you have five lines.  One is a feed, ones
a return and the other three go the the vent.  So what you have is
the feed goes to the fuel pump, and a return from the carb to the 
charcoal canister, from the canister to the rear of the vehicle to one line
on the vent and so on.


72 442 W-30 Race Rocket
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On Fri, 5 Jul 1996, Ken wrote:

> The Mondello article calls for 455 Forged Buick rods in the recipe for the
493 
> Olds.  Are all Buick 455 rods forged?  I've found a 1976 Buick Electra w/455
and 
> posi for $125.  Will the rods in this car be forged? 

1) Yes, all Buick 455 rods are forged.

2) It would be a shame to trash a good running Buick 455 for just the rods.


- -Rod "Hey, Buicks are neat too!"
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    Rod Rickenbach                                       Delaware Tech
     rod@dtcc.edu                                 Computer Services Department
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Does anyone know a good source for dashes. It seems most suppliers 
(Supercars, Year One...) deal with everything but.

Also, does any one know of any solutions to fixing a cracked dash. 

......j


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Lloyd Culp wrote:
> 
> At 08:09 PM 6/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
> >Hello olds freaks, i thought i would introduce myself to everybody, i
> >know a lot more about oldsmobiles than i do computer's  I look
> >forward to contributing to this forum!!! Thank's!!!
> >
> Hello to you.  Nice cars.
> 
> Now that I know of someone W/little knowledge of computers, all I need is an
> acquaintance W/little knowledge of Oldsmobiles.  I own a 1967 Toronado, 1968
> 442 4-Speed convertible, & a 1962 Jetfire turbocharged coupe.  Now If I knew
> anything about Oldsmobiles I wouldn't be trying to keep an early turbo
> running, or a beginning front wheel drive driving, or a convertible out of
> the 90 degree heat here in AL.
> 
> I would explain to you the trouble I am having W/computers, but I can't
> explain it to myself yet.
> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
> >
> >
> Hello bill, you certainly have your hands full!!Quite a unique group
>of oldsmobile's!!! Hey when you figure out the computer will ya' let me know,
i can't even b.s. to myself yet.


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At 08:09 PM 6/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Hello olds freaks, i thought i would introduce myself to everybody, i 
>know a lot more about oldsmobiles than i do computer's  I look 
>forward to contributing to this forum!!! Thank's!!!
>
Hello to you.  Nice cars.

Now that I know of someone W/little knowledge of computers, all I need is an
acquaintance W/little knowledge of Oldsmobiles.  I own a 1967 Toronado, 1968
442 4-Speed convertible, & a 1962 Jetfire turbocharged coupe.  Now If I knew
anything about Oldsmobiles I wouldn't be trying to keep an early turbo
running, or a beginning front wheel drive driving, or a convertible out of
the 90 degree heat here in AL.

I would explain to you the trouble I am having W/computers, but I can't
explain it to myself yet.

Bill Culp
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>
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Please remove my name from the Olds mailing list.  I am getting all 
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At 01:42 AM 7/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Lloyd Culp wrote:
>> 
>> >> >
>> Hello bill, you certainly have your hands full!!Quite a unique group
>>of oldsmobile's!!! Hey when you figure out the computer will ya' let me
know, i can't even b.s. to myself yet.

>My Grandfatther always said that the only thing worse than women was
automobiles.  Sometimes he reversed that.  He died before computers got
around (1969) or they would have been on his hit list too.

Bill Culp
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At 01:28 AM 7/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Mike Frederick wrote:
>> 
>> Michael Brady wrote:
>> >
>> > 
>Hey speaking of toro's, I've often wondered why they never reached a 
>higher level of collectability? After all they were the " flag ship" of 
>the olds line, and i believe way ahead of there time. The 66' toro has 
>really grown on me over the year's and it woulnd'nt surprise me if some 
>day one of these will sit next to one of my 4-4-2s. Take care.
>
This man isn't just any kind of nut - he's a REAL CAR NUT!  I just knew that
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Bill Culp
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> Hello olds freaks, i thought i would introduce myself to everybody...

Hey, Olds freak!  Good to see another Michael on the list (we got way too 
many Greg(g)s).  Nice assortment of wheels, too.

Wisconsin?  You don't know a Toro-nut named Greg (what else) Kalkhoff, 
AKA Sparky, do you.  You will.    ;)


The 66 Toro and Mike

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Lloyd Culp wrote:
> 
> At 05:10 PM 4/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
> >We have a '69 442 w/ a 455 and we want to paint the engine block. How
> >hard is it to pull the engine and what's all entailed in doing so? Has
> >anyone ever painted their block without pulling the engine?
> >
> >.....j&r
> 
> Pulling the engine isn't really hard, but does take time & can surely get
> into the might-as-wells.  New motor mounts, accessories such as starters,
> alternators, water pumps, etc., etc..  The engine is taken loose from the
> transmission and may lead ot leaks if you don't now have them.  It would be
> a good time to put a new seal in the front of the transmission, possibly an
> oil pan seal on the engine, or even a rear main seal. See what I mean?
> 
> To get it out, you need a hoist - you can rent that - & a friend or so to
> help keep the engine steady and not banging everything up getting it in &
> out.  The wiring including ground straps must be unhooked from the engine,
> the radiator & fan must be removed, the engine must be unhooked from the
> transmission & all linkages must be unhooked, accessories like alternators,
> AC, & sometimes the carburetor must be removed or unbolted & put out of the
> way, the exhaust must be unbolted either at the engine or the manifolds, &
> the motor mounts must be unbolted from the frame.
> 
> Once you get started under the hood, there seems to be no place to stop.  It
> does look fabulous though.  I am painting my 442 W/engine in place.  It is a
> chore, but by taking enough pieces off the engine, it can look very good.
> The engine and parts to be painted must be super clean - remember the paint
> must stay and look nice for a while or it isn't worht the effort.  I am also
> stuck W/painting mine the color that someone else gave it - some yucky
> orange - as it is very hard to get everywhere W/the engine in the car & that
> stupid color would sure stand out against the correct bronze.
> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
> >
> >
Thanks for the info! Sounds like more than an hour project.... The 
reason I want to paint it is to get our 455 back to its original color 
blue. The last guy who rebuilt it painted it bronze for some reason. 
(Maybe bronze isn't a bad color for the time being ;) )
....j


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I drained the old gas out of my '72 Cutlass this morning. I pulled one of
the fuel lines from the back of the tank and siphoned it out. What I was
curious about is why are there four fuel lines out of the tank and where do
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>> >
>> >
>Thanks for the info! Sounds like more than an hour project.... The 
>reason I want to paint it is to get our 455 back to its original color 
>blue. The last guy who rebuilt it painted it bronze for some reason. 
>(Maybe bronze isn't a bad color for the time being ;) )
>....j
>
>Any kind of color change nearly requires pulling the engine.  Some of those
corners are near impossible to get at.  That is my delima also.

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From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@FairIsaac.com>
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 1996 19:17:47 -0300
Subject: 66 98 Stumpers 

Been watching your posts for a few weeks now and hope I have the tone and
level of question right. Thanks in advance for your thoughts on the 
following questions about my '66 98 convertible. It's a sunny day driver now 
and has 320K on it, many tweaks (see below) authenticity isn't my highest 
priority. Sorry if this is a bit long... but check out the end for today's
handy carb rebuilding hint.

1) Currently running a 2.56 or 2.73 rear end. Thinking about going back to stockratio of 3.08 or better (3.23?). Any idea how much the mileage might suffer?
Suggestions on where to find such a ratio, esp. a posi? How much should such
a swap cost? 65-70 B and C body rear ends should swap in, but do Pontiacs,
Caddies or Buick B or C body rears bolt in drum to drum? Noting parts 
availability, what ch*vy rears would fit, if any? Remember this is big olds,
not A bodies which seem to have much better interchangeability.

2) Motor is a 455 .030 over, ported & polished running a holley 780 (vacuum
secondary) with factory duals. Have a new 4 row radiator in there, but it 
still gets up to 220 or so on hot days (90+) pretty fast (10-15 minutes). I've
put two 16" electric fans on the front to handle this and have the factory
shroud from 66 and they do o.k., but I'm looking for margin. At what temp 
should I worry about warping the heads?  Do any other year shrouds fit the
66 radiator upper support with some cutting or other fitting tricks?

3) Have wrestled with tuning a qjet for years and not learned much except
holleys are simpler. Even got frustrated enough to get one from
a professional rebuilder out of HRM (Urban or Carb shop, don't recall). Still
the Holley gave me better punch. Any ideas on how to get some speed out of
the qjet? Idle screw, Jets, Float settings, secondary opening tricks? It seems 
to give better economy with the small primaries.  Just doesn't seem to have the punch of the holley, but with guidance I think I could get it there. 

4) The frame is old now and flexes when going over bumps in the road. Any
ideas, anybody ever tried to fix such a problem? Related problem is the 
door hinges which are aging (aged?), can I get good replacements? If so
where other than boneyard. Do any other B or C bodies swap? What years? My 
girlfriend is getting tired of giving the passenger door a little shove on 
entry and exit. 

5) Front disc brakes are on with variable proportioning valve to keep the 
rears from locking up. There is very poor clearance between master cylinder
and the left inner fender. Can I swap in a master from the 70's or 80s with
the same (1"?) bore and the plastic reservoir? I like the idea of being
able to see how much fluid is in there. I figure a big, late model GM
would work great but any suggestions on what to grab or avoid in the 
boneyard would help greatly. Also what are the micrometer minimum specs
on 69-70 front rotors. I see 'em every so often and want to pull, but don't
want to buy used up ones, without a 69, 70, etc. manaul don't know how
low I can go.

6) The torque rods in the trunk don't lift the lid all the way anymore. 
I've swapped for about 10 years now, but they're all worn out. Has anybody
used those gas cylinders from new cars to help out? Seems like it might 
work.

Today's Hint: Didja know that those big 1 gallon jugs of Pine Sol you buy 
at price club make great carb cleaner? Pour full strength into a 
bucket, drop in carb pieces and in a day or so, they'll scrub clean easily.
I think this is cheaper and better for the environment than solvent.

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I can supply a dash for your 69. If interested, call me at (817))572-2924.

Art Fuller


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At 08:26 AM 7/7/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Does anyone know a good source for dashes. It seems most suppliers 
>(Supercars, Year One...) deal with everything but.
>
>Also, does any one know of any solutions to fixing a cracked dash. 
>
>......j
>John & Robin;

'Just Dashes' in California can repair anything moulded like this.  They
replace the foam & covering to make a like new part that will last.  I don't
know their costs, but I understand that it is similar to getting a new one
($200?).  Their address & phone number is:

        Just Dashes
        5941 Lemona Avenue
        Van Nuys, CA  91411
        PH 1-800-247-3274

I have seen very nice work from them including the complicated Avanti dash
that I am going to need redone.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama
        
>
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Try a bone yard for a starter off the diesel 350. Its high torque as well. 

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Subject: 	Re: Hi Torque Starter

Oddly, the Mondello high torque starter is the cheapest one I've seen for 
olds.  Most run well over 200 bucks but the one in the Mondello catalog 
is only 150.  Anyone else find a cheap one?

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Does anyone on this list that belong/associate with the Dixie Olds Club 
happen to know Phil Welch? Any response would be appreciated.


Boyd Parker (aka Rocketeer)                |
                                           |  Why drive just a car...
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1970 4-4-2 Convertible                     |  
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Dan Williams wrote:
> 
> Lots of traffic lately.  Glad to see that, but it sure makes it hard to
> keep up with.

You ain't seem lots yet, Dan.  This is quiet.  Very quiet.  Wait til the 
weather up North turns cold again -- then you'll see LOTS AND LOTS!

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
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Edison3, Incorporated
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