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oldsmobile-digest          Monday, 19 August 1996       Volume 01 : Number 271


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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 23:34:11 -0300
Subject: Re: OCA Nat's 

In a message dated 96-08-17 00:00:18 EDT, you write:

<< The old gold crusty 66 442
 4 speed that was one row above the swap meet, and the 69 H/O? >>

Nice show.  You and your cohorts did a great job.  Saw the 66 in the beater
class (best [worst] of class, right?).  Didn't get over to the H/O's.  Had a
great time.  Thanks.

Paul

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 16:21:18 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: RUST - A Four Letter Word 

     Assuming both types of wheels fit on your car with no interference 
     problems, then there's no functional difference other than the 1 inch. 
      The inch allows wider tires to be mounted for better traction.
     
     A larger rim, such as a 15" rim (assuming the same width) allows for a 
     lower profile tire.  The tire doesn't necessarily get wider, but the 
     sidewall isn't as high allowing for better handling since the tire 
     won't give quite so much when cornering.  Also, a larger rim and a 
     smaller tire will generally be a bit lighter than a smaller rim with a 
     bigger tire.


______________________________ Reply Separator 
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Subject: Re: RUST - A Four Letter Word
Author:  Oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    8/16/96 8:20 PM


        What is the operational difference between 14x6 and 14x7 wheels? 
(Other than an inch :-))
     
     

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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 04:26:02 -0300
Subject: Re: last year of 8-track?

Lloyd Culp wrote:

> I would have never guessed they were installed that late.  My '73 had
> one & I thought that was late.  Of course in AL I never used all 8
> tracks as the trains never ran on time anyway.
> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama

Yea me too. The reference book lists the 8-track as an option. I have 
seen a 1981 Caprice with a factory 8-track. I can't imagne they made them 
much further than that.

Jason Labay

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From: Lskynyrd21@aol.com
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 02:31:26 -0300
Subject: 1972 H/O 

I'm restoring a 1972 H/O, I think it is a W-30 car, because it has an x in
the vin #.
Does anyone know about this and how many were made? Should it have an
aluminum intake manifold? Also I am looking for the metal trim for the vinyl
top, can anyone help?
Steve

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 04:30:27 -0300
Subject: clutch fork

has anyone replaced their factory clutch fork with an aftermarket item?  
If so please contact me as soon as possible.

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 I used to think that the Information age would spawn a great
 revolution as more people got smarter due to access to more
 information.  To the contrary, now that any idiot can use the
 Net, the integrity of the information contained therein has
 been corrupted.                          --Suntzu@ohana.com
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From: DESIMONEP@aol.com
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 04:50:51 -0300
Subject: Free steering wheel went fast!! 

Just a note to say the steering wheel has been given away! I gave it to the
first emailer that asked. Jeez! I got a lot of responses! I don't think I'll
say free again, I was overloaded.

I'm not the type of person to restore my 1968 Convertible exactly as
original. I like to modernize things to keep up with the advances in car
design and technology that have occured over the past 30 years. So, more
pieces to come, I hope I don't upset any die hard restorers out there, I know
you guys often talk about those people who hack up their cars. I will change
certain things, but I promise to remain tasteful in my alterations as not to
disturb the "Olds" image!!

Phil De Simone
desimonep@aol.com
1968 Olds Cutlass "S" Convertible

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 06:00:28 -0300
Subject: Nats

Hey!  I missed everyone at Nats!  I saw Paul H's name and Gregg L's name 
in the booklet, but I didn't get to see you guys.  I did get third place 
in beater class, though.  And I missed being Youngest Driver by only six 
years.  Getting old, I guess . . . . Wish I had caught up with other 
listies who went to the show, though.  Hopefully we'll see you in April 
at the Florida show.

8)
peg

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From: curly@sgi.net
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 12:18:28 -0300
Subject: unsubscribe oldsmobile 

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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From: curly@sgi.net 
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 12:19:03 -0300
Subject: [none]

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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From: DELPROPO@EMUVAX.EMICH.EDU
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 13:33:52 -0300
Subject: Woodward Dream Cruise

I Just want to thank the owner of a 1972 Cutlass 442 W-30 Brown with tan top
for inviting my dad and I to a gathering at the NorthWood Shopping center. We
had it on our list, after attending the Birmingham Shain Park event. Time went
fast and we were unable to stop and see the other Oldsmobiles at the gathering.
The event was excellent I hope to attend it next 
year....                                                                         

Thanks Greg Del 1970 Cutlass Supreme two door Green with Black top and air
induction hood.  Don Del  1968 Cutlass S Black with black top.  Brighton Mich.

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From: DELPROPO@EMUVAX.EMICH.EDU
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 13:39:41 -0300
Subject: 68 Cutlass Rear Bumper Needed

I am looking for a nice rear 68 Cutlass bumper. I will take the standard or the
442 style. I am not looking for a core but for a nice bumper that I can mount
on my daily driver(summer months only ) car, that is also taken to some car
shows and cruises.   Thanks Don Del. Michigan.
wileean oie n

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From: Peter_Teubel_at_Safety1st-MA@harte-hanks.com
Date: Fri, 18 Aug 1995 19:20:22 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: last year of 8-track? 

     I had a 1982 Olds 98 that had one also.


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Subject: Re: last year of 8-track?
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at ~INTERNET
Date:    8/17/96 11:37 PM


Lloyd Culp wrote:
     
> I would have never guessed they were installed that late.  My '73 had 
> one & I thought that was late.  Of course in AL I never used all 8
> tracks as the trains never ran on time anyway. 
> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
     
Yea me too. The reference book lists the 8-track as an option. I have 
seen a 1981 Caprice with a factory 8-track. I can't imagne they made them 
much further than that.
     
Jason Labay
     

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From: DESIMONEP@aol.com
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 14:48:48 -0300
Subject: Re: 68 Cutlass Rear Bumper Needed 

Put me on the list for a front and/or rear bumper for my 68 convertible, keep
me in mind, thanks!

Phil De Simone
desimonep@aol.com
1968 Olds Cutlass "S" Convertible

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From: Robert Whitaker <whitaker.rob@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 17:40:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Small Block ID

The casting number for a 330 engine is 381917.

>Does anybody have the casting numbers to ID small block Olds engines (330's
>in particular)?  I looked in the FAQ, but couldn't find anything.  The chart
>for small block ID is mostly blank...
>--
>Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
>dpauliso@metrolink.net
>
>
>

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From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 14:22:25 -0300
Subject: SENSOR(?) ON TOP OF 400 ENGINE 

Hello,
  I just noticed that one of the sensor (at least I thing it is?) intakes on 
my 400 c.i. engine had been cut off ('68 442).  There is one sensor that goes 
into the top of where my water pump attaches, another sensor intake on the 
left hand side/top of the intake manifold, and another on the right.  At 
least I think it's a sensor that's on the right?  It looks like a post coming 
up out of the intake manifold (right hand side) with three hose fittings 
comming off of it.  All three have been cut off right at the post and have 
just little pieces of hose still on the leads coming off the post.  I have no 
idea what this is, I just got the car 4 months ago, and it's my first Olds.  
If anyone with a '68 or with an original 400 engine can help me I'd very much 
appreciate it.

                                                     Thank You,
                                                      Craig Dobbins
                                                      '68 442 convertable 

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 11:23:13 -0300
Subject: correction

At 06:58 PM 8/15/96 -0300, you wrote:

>
>The original SB 350 in my 69 has ID/Code 2, casting number is 385558.
>Bronze in color. 

Correction!  The casting # is 395558.  There was some crap on the number; I
couldn't read it well.  Scraped the crap off today, and the first eight
turned into a nine!  Wow!
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 11:42:56 -0300
Subject: SENSOR ON TOP OF 400 ENGINE

At 02:22 PM 8/18/96 -0300, you wrote:

>least I think it's a sensor that's on the right?  It looks like a post coming 
>up out of the intake manifold (right hand side) with three hose fittings 
>comming off of it.  All three have been cut off right at the post and have 
>just little pieces of hose still on the leads coming off the post.  I have no 
>idea what this is
>                                                      Craig Dobbins
>                                                      '68 442 convertable 
Craig:

I think what you're describing is a thermostatic vacuum switch.  It is used
for routing vacuum to the distrubutor.  It switches the vacuum source for
the vacuum advance to full or ported vacuum, depending on the temp of the
coolant.  One of the three lines attaches to the distributor, one other goes
to a full vacuum source on the intake manifold, and the other attaches to a
ported vacuum source on the carb.  I believe the vacuum advance should
receive vacuum from the full vacuum source when the engine is cold, and when
it warms up, it gets the ported vacuum (less advance).  Mine has the top
vacuum line connected to the vacuum advance module, the center one goes to
the carb, and the bottom one goes to the full vacuum source on the manifold.
I don't know if this hookup is right, though, since my switch is broken.
Someone here will know the correct hookup.  The thing kinda looks like this:

   _
  | |= <-- top (connected to vacuum advance)
  | |= <-- center (connected to carb vacuum source)
  | |= <-- bottom (connected to manifold vacuum source)
 _| |_
|_____|
_|___|_____

This diagram is based on the way the one on my 350 is hooked up, and is
subject to correction, as always!
      
         
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@metrolink.net>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 13:05:08 -0300
Subject: GEN light (again!)

Still haven't fixed my GEN light...need some more help.  It glows dimly at
all times when the engine is running.  If the BRAKE, OIL, or TEMP circuits
are closed, the GEN light gets brighter.  The BRAKE light only glows dimly
when the emergency brake is depressed.  The OIL and TEMP lights don't work
at all, the senders are bad, too.  With their leads disconnected, the GEN
light still glows.  I have checked all the bulbs; they're OK.  I removed the
gauge cluster today and checked the printed circuit board; it's fine.  When
I put the gauge cluster back in, I added a ground wire to ensure that the
ground to the metal case was unbroken.  The wire (under the dash) that
switches the GEN light on and off is brown.  One of the four wires connected
to the voltage regulator (external) is brown.  Are these wires one and the
same? (I don't have a meter..) Could it be a voltage regulator problem?  I
have recently replaced the alternator (diodes were fried) and voltage
regulator (on the parts counter guys advice).  I don't really know what else
to check.  I have also taken the connectors off the back of the fuse block,
on the firewall, and cleaned all the contacts, hoping it was maybe a dirty
connection there.  No luck. 

Suggestion and ideas are welcome.  Criticism will be blissfully ignored! ;)

Thanks! 
- --
Dave Paulison          Melbourne, Florida        69 Cutlass Supreme
dpauliso@metrolink.net

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From: WJV117@aol.com
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:39:14 -0300
Subject: 1987 olds 

Does anyone know what the value of an 1987
oldsmobile cutlass supreme (2dr/rwd) in showroom condition is worth.

My car was totaled by an 18yo when he ran a red light and we are trying to
settle with the insurance companies......

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From: Graham Stewart <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 21:39:06 -0300
Subject: Re: 442s and other flying objects

Blair Rendell wrote:
> 
> >Date: Sat, 17 Aug 1996 11:57:15
> >To: Olds 442s
> >From: Blair Rendell <brendell@pi.pro.ec>
> >Subject: 442s and other flying objects
> >
> >Hello from Quito, Ecuador in South America! I am Canadian from the province
> of  Newfoundland (Iceberg Alley) ...  This was in
> my hometown of Gander, Newfoundland...

Hi Blair, welcome aboard ... well, I grew up in Gander too!  Lived there from 
birth until age 8 in 1970.  Don't remember any Oldsmobiles, 
though ... my parents owned a Valiant and later a 69 Pontiac Parisienne (not a 
bad car).  The Olds interest came later: now I'm mostly into 
full size Oldsmobiles (without meaning any disrespect to you A body crowd) ... 
Anyway welcome and enjoy the list ... 

Graham Stewart
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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From: "David Morton" <dmorton@rci.rutgers.edu>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 22:03:19 -0300
Subject: Re: last year of 8-track?

I can't give a definitive answer, but the major record companies all 
dropped 8-tracks in late 1980, so I imagine it couldn't have been 
long after that the MMotorola and the other oem suppliers dropped
the players.

Hope that helps.

Dave Morton
'67 Toro

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 17:23:24 -0300
Subject: Re: 1987 olds

WJV117@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Does anyone know what the value of an 1987
> oldsmobile cutlass supreme (2dr/rwd) in showroom condition is worth.
> 
> My car was totaled by an 18yo when he ran a red light and we are trying to
> settle with the insurance companies......


Old Cars Price Guide for (1967 Cutlass 2 dr hdt) Oct 1996 says:

	class 6  $400
	Class 5  $1200
	class 4  $2000
	class 3  $4000
	class 2  $7000
	class 1  $10000

Consider a certified appraiser.  A friend a few years ago had his 1966 
Mustang totaled by an errant motorist & he was trying to get me & a 
friend to certify that we thought his car was worth $4500.  I declined 
as I thought it may be worth only about $3500 & so did our body shop 
friend.  The insurance co. was balking at the $4500.  My friend went to 
a certified appraiser who looked the wreck over.  They went into 
conference w/insurance co., my friend, & attornies.  The certified 
appraiser said $7000 & they wrote him a check there w/out going to 
court.  It cost him $100 for the certified appraiser.

I am now working on a case where this same well known appraiser & I are 
involved in a suit for damages from a body shop.  When it was found that 
a man of this fellow's stature was involved, the insurance co. has 
agreed to pay, but the lawyer for the defendent is holding out.  He has 
been convinced by the insurance co. to delay trial, take affidavits, & 
reconsider.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@kfmw.net>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 16:01:17 -0300
Subject: Re: 1972 H/O

Lskynyrd21@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I'm restoring a 1972 H/O, I think it is a W-30 car, because it has an x in
> the vin #.
> Does anyone know about this and how many were made? Should it have an
> aluminum intake manifold? Also I am looking for the metal trim for the vinyl
> top, can anyone help?
> Steve

The X in the VIN does mean a w-30 car.  Should have an alumn intake 
manafold that say OLDS W-455.  Not sure of the production numbers for 
72.  Are they in the FAQ?

- -Dan

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From: Todd Morris <tmorris@bt1dc18e.bet.ibm.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 23:40:01 -0300
Subject: Exhaust leak 

 
I'm having a real hard time determining where my LH exhaust leak is coming 
from- head pipe or 
manifold.  Can anyone suggest something I might pour down the carb to get some 
smoke to find 
the leak??? 
 
Todd Morris 
71 442

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 22:45:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Woodward Dream Cruise with thanks (long) 

In a message dated 96-08-18 12:38:42 EDT, you write:

<< I Just want to thank the owner of a 1972 Cutlass 442 W-30 Brown with tan
top
 for inviting my dad and I to a gathering at the NorthWood Shopping center.
We
 had it on our list, after attending the Birmingham Shain Park event. Time
went
 fast and we were unable to stop and see the other Oldsmobiles at the
gathering.
 The event was excellent I hope to attend it next year....
                                           >>


I would like to thank Mike Hall, Brian Lorway and Robert Lawrence for 
meeting me at Northwood Shopping center.  Also I like to thank
Greg and Don Del.  To Greg and Don, sorry you couldn't stop by, you missed
14 different Oldsmobiles.  Also Greg the olds that you saw was me 
W MACHINES (MARK PRINCE).  Nice cars the supreme and cutlass s.
As for Mike,Brian and Robert, it was a pleasure meeting you all.
Mike has a nice 72 Cutlass S that is impressive and halled butt when had to 
leave early.  He made Oldsmobile proud with a burnout on Woodward as he left.
Rob has a cool 98 ragtop that he drives everyday for the last 6 years.
The car has a special place cruising due to being a ragtop.  Sorry you had to

go to work last night
And to Brian's machine, it's a 70 W-30 4spd car that has a special intake
that is correct.  A midyear changeover with 70 numbers. A very nice car
but thats because i'm attached to w-machines.

Point of interest, the name we are going to use is Race Rockets and would
like
any people with oldsmobiles in local Detroit with performance in mind such as

Brian, Mike, Robert,Greg and Don and anybody else, e-mail me
I would like to say THANKS AGAIN to the fellas that showed up.  Another thing
i would like to say is that 11 guys showed up with Oldsmobiles that are my
friends and we were not club related by just friends that gather together to
have 
fun and hope we made at least 3 new friends to hang out with and maybe
start a new club that is performance orientated.  We have been gathering for
about
5 years now at NMCA meets and Mondello Olds Nats and local cruises.

Well thats about all and thanks again, also I saw more Oldsmobiles on
Woodward
than I have seen at an OCA meet  Thanks Again and hope to do it again.

Almost forgot the key to get a good spot to watch the cruise and show your
cars
is go on a Friday at 5:00 P.M. and sleep in your car for 3 hours and stay to 
10:30 Saturday night and have a good time with BBQ and cold drinks.

W MACHINES 

 

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From: Shawn Twomey <stwom@ctp.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 1996 22:50:27 -0300
Subject: Engine color: 307s

>Think all of the late-model 307's were black, no?

Yes!  All of them that I'VE seen, anyway.


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stwom@ctp.com    |   not.  There is no try."  |
517 346-7104     |   -Yoda                    |
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From: REGGIE GOBLE <REGGIE_GOBLE_4@wow.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 1996 00:00:50 -0300
Subject: Reply to: Hey Toro owners... need advice

Blaine,
Make sure the car will run and the trans is ok. If all else is as the gentleman
says 1800 ios a deal. These cars is show condition bring 8500 plus. 
Good luck. 
Reggie Goble
Stafford Va

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