
oldsmobile-digest         Wednesday, 26 June 1996      Volume 01 : Number 214


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From: clark@sh28.dseg.ti.com (Pat Clark 952-3776)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:11:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Definitions

First Chris says:

>   "Runs good"
> -If you don't mind the coolant & oil mixing and overheating due to the cracked
> head and/or block. Oh, and that std-size piston in a factory 0.010" oversize
> bore might be a bit noisy. Or maybe it had 6:1 compression from the
> short-stroke crank that was installed, cut the HP in half...
 like that.

Then Chris says:

>I have, coming to Lansing real soon, a "good running" [no, really!] 330-4V
>engine with trans, 1966 vintage. Anyone interested? It needs a good home. Runs
>& goes.
- --
>Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
>wittchri@pilot.msu.edu


Don't ever go into sales buddy! ;-)


 				Pat Clark
    				 69 442
    			        400/TH400
    			  clark@abu.dseg.ti.com

     The careful application of terror is also a form of communication.

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:09:10 -0300
Subject: Oil Stuff

Hey, All,

Interesting to note (once again) that the Fornatics are having a 
discussion on ... guess what ... OIL!

Anywho, one of the guys posted this web site as an "interesting article 
about oil from Consumer Reports".

    http://www.usatoday.com/money/consumer/autos/mauto113.htm


The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 10:53:37 -0300
Subject: 1968 (junkyard) Toro found 

Had the day off yesterday following my weekend trip (subject for another
post) and visited a couple of junkyards for various things. So I'm walking
around this junkyard getting pretty fed up, sunburnt and tired, I come
around a corner and There It Is. If this was a movie, it would be lit by
a single shaft of sunlight from above, with all around sitting in darkness
and a cheesy angelic choir on the soundtrack.

"It" is apparently a 1968 Toro, judging from the date code on the rear side
markers (illuminated rocket emblems) which I seem to recall were used only
that one year, and the front turn signal lenses are clear, wrapping around
the corners. Hopefully this will tell you enough to confirm that it's not
a '69 instead.

Anyway, it's very complete. It's now maroon, but a large patch of missing
paint on the right front fender shows it used to be (the fender, at least)
that old light-green color before it got Scheibed. For tires, it had a set
of _really_ old-looking Super Sport RWLs with major sidewall rot, on steel
wheels with hubcaps. The left front wheel was off (under the car holding
it up, actually) and the left caliper and hub were missing. The driver's 
door window is broken. Other than that, everything seems to be there. The
interior is worn black cloth, the dash has its original AM radio complete
with funky knobs, and switches include an electric antenna among other 
things. Looked like conventional heater/AC controls. Odometer shows 92K.
Sheet metal appears straight, with minor body rot. Front end is straight
but plastic (lenses, etc.) is generally chipped. Grilles are intact; one
was stuck up but would pivot down if I tugged on it. Car has '95 Wisconsin
plates on it, but overall condition indicates that perhaps it was sleeping
in a barn for many years, the owner attempted to get it back on the road
but gave up on it for some reason. At this point, it is still complete
enough that a knowledgeable Toro owner could get it going again, and at
any rate there are lots of parts there. Didn't lift the hood to check out
the engine so can't say anything about that other than that there seemed
to _be_ an engine in it.

According to the yard owner they'll keep it around for a while. They have
a good back lot with cars up on blocks, and employees pull all parts to
cut down on collateral damage. Don't know if they would sell the whole
car or not, but you never know. Des Plaines Auto Salvage, 1331 Golf,
Des Plaines, IL (forgot the ZIP code); (847) 297-7810.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:40:45 -0300
Subject: Re: which 350, etc.

On Mon, 24 Jun 1996, Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> > people and DeNovi wanted to buy my shirt. I figure if Bryce and Chris
> > wanted to go into business together selling these things they'd make a
> > fortune because I got lots of nice comments about it. Something to
> > consider, guys.
> 
> Funny, nobody offered to buy MINE...

Must have been the ruggedly handsome guy wearing it that caused all the 
offers...

<G>

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Paul Bartlett <bartletp@osshe.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:48:59 -0300
Subject: 66 Toronado Trip Plans

I enjoy reading the news on the Oldsmobile net.

My wife & I hope to take the 1966 Toronado on its first long trip since
1985.   We bought the car about a month ago.  The service records showed
73,000 miles in 1985.  The odometer now shows under 75,000 miles.  The
car has been sitting in a garage for over 10 years with little activity.

The car seems to be running well, but we haven't taken it on a long trip.
 We hope to drive about 800 miles on July 4 weekend -- to show the car to
my wife's parents.  What my father in law will say I don't know!

I need to check the rubber boots over the cv joints. 

Also, is it normal for the headlight doors to take 5-6 seconds before
they open when I turn the headlights on?  I am worried about the
headlight doors not opening when we need them!  

I'll be working away from the office and won't have access to e-mail 'til
Friday.  It sure is great to know that there are other Oldsmobile people
out there.

Paul Bartlett
E-mail bartletp@osshe.edu

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:50:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Oil Stuff 

>Anywho, one of the guys posted this web site as an "interesting article 
>about oil from Consumer Reports".
>
>    http://www.usatoday.com/money/consumer/autos/mauto113.htm

(BTW, for those of you squinting at the URL with a Eudora reader like
mine, that address ends with <one><one><three>, not LL3.  :-)

Actually it's an article _about_ an article, and you still need to buy
the magazine to _read_ the article, but the summary reported there is
that the Leading Brands Are All Alike. I fear that a lot of people will
take their advice as gospel about not needing to change oil until 7500
miles have elapsed -- I've seen some real sewage by the 3000 mark, with
gas dilution and all -- but the article sounds like it will be very
interesting. Can't wait for it to arrive in my mailbox.

I assume we may hear some harrumphing from our Amsoil friend once the
article hits the streets...?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "wesf@hpdmm12.boi.hp.com" <wesf@hpdmm12.boi.hp.com> 
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:40:39 -0300
Subject: Welcome Back, Greg! 

Glad you made it back to Halifax okay, Greg!  I'm sure you are busy
wading through the mountain of information that transpired during 
your absence.  It was fun to get together, and a great excuse to 
dig the car out from under the boxes and kid's toys where it spends
most of it's days.  You're very flattering, and if the H/O could
do what it wanted to, it would probably follow you back to Halifax
where it would get a lot more attention, for sure!

This brings up another use of this emailing list.  From time-to-time,
some of us get the opportunity to travel to other parts of the country.  
It's really great when we can talk face-to-face to the folks that we
converse with only by keyboard.  It's a nice touch, to friendships far
away.

BTW, folks, in talking and thanking Greg for all of his diligent
work supporting/administering this emailing list, it sounds as
though there is a fair amount of work on the list that he does on a 
daily basis.  I think we should all give him that thanks and 
appreciation for the work that he's doing in making all of this 
outstanding information flow possible.  THANKS, GREG!

Well, better get off my soapbox...

Wes Fujii 

P.S. I liked the comment that parts of Idaho are caught in the mid-60s.
Certainly, we have a lot of older vehicles around, in good shape.  I
guess I can't really appreciate it since that's all I've ever known,
living here my entire life.  Lots of older, daily drivers around.  My 
wife's Avon lady drives a '67 4-4-2 convertible that she bought new.  
She uses it as a daily driver, because she doesn't like the feel of 
any other car...

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:43:31 -0300
Subject: Weekend in Wisconsin 

Well, we decided to take the most recent car on its first weekend trip
and picked Wisconsin Dells as a destination, since it was far enough to
constitute a real trip (~200 miles) and I wanted a "practice" run to see
how everything worked before committing to a South Dakota/Mt. Rushmore
trip later this summer. (All those whom we can visit between Chicago and
S.D. please raise your hands. Thank you...)

Also Wisconsin has go-karts up there.  :-)

Olds sightings were surprisingly slim. Spotted a '69 Cutlass or 442-wannabe
in the Dells, painted monochrome black -- even the bumpers -- with some
oddball vanity plates of "CAMS 69" or something like that. Had the sort
of finish you get when somebody who's really good with engines tries 
their hand at paintwork. Jeez, I hope the owner isn't reading this. :-)

The parking lot of the Chula Vista resort had a nice Aurora out front, so
seeking Status By Osmosis, I parked next to it overnight, but found in the
morning that I still owned a Pontiac. Oh, well.

Note: be careful when driving past go-kart tracks; guys coming out of
there are suffering Testosterone Overload from screaming around the track.
Ahhh... up-and-over _wooden_ bridges on the go-kart track, an occasional 
rain sprinkle to make things interesting... what a blast. I get as much
speed as I can muster and fling the kart over the crest of this curving
wooden bridge. A tight left turn lies halfway down the backside. I trail
another guy up the bridge; he kisses the inboard rail at the crest and
sparks from his kart bumper scrape off the rail. As I crest the top of 
the bridge I bounce lightly off the same rail and skitter into a little
power slide sideways as the left turn approaches... gee, looks to be a
bit quicker than I anticipated. Traction is purely occasional as the
little kart wheels scuff the slick wooden decking and fight to grip a
left turn as we descend in a diagonal across the downward slope, passing
neatly behind the guy in front... SkitterSkitterSkitter *WHAM* against
the outer rail. The kart gives a satisfying shudder on impact and the
rebound sets us up nicely for the next turn as we ignore the glares of
track employees who'd leapt out of the way just seconds earlier...
Had to take a few minutes to depressurize afterwards to avoid racing
out of the parking lot in my own car.  :-)

The SSEi ran flawlessly throughout, returning 19.3 mpg around town and an
absolutely outstanding 32.93 mpg on the trip home, much more than I thought
I'd see from a supercharger and 71K on the odometer. Looks like we may be
up for South Dakota soon!

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:59:52 -0300
Subject: Eudora  Was: Oil Stuff

Andrew C. Green wrote:
> 
> (BTW, for those of you squinting at the URL with a Eudora reader like
> mine, that address ends with <one><one><three>, not LL3.  :-)

For Eudora users:  If you're having difficulty reading your messages, you 
should be able to change the font under Special/Configuration.


The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: John & Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:05:28 -0300
Subject: Can't you trust anyone anymore?

We are really glad that we subscribed to this group.  Everyone gives 
such great information and has already helped us out a lot.

Thought our story so far might be entertaining:

When we sripped our 442 the other day, we had a few suprises.  We knew 
that the inside carpet was wet but was yet to discover why.  When we 
pulled it out - it was a JC Whitney deal - we found that underneath it 
in the front seats, they had left the old carpet in and just glued the 
other over it.  They hadn't even cleaned the carpet first.  Being a 
Florida car, it had an inch of beach sand underneath it on the 
passenger side.  Yep, you can imagine how the floor was over 
there....rotted right through.

The trunk we already knew about; that was the same.  The weather 
stripping was gone so if anyone is familiar with the Florida rainy 
season, you can imagine how wet that carpet was.

Now for the upholstry - ugh!  The plastic covers on the back of the 
seats, the arm rests, and many other plastic pieces were spray painted 
electric blue.  We couldn't belive it - why couldn't they have just 
left it alone.

To boot they put a stupid looking carpet dash cover on.  The dash was 
cracked in one spot as we could see after we took the cover off.  It 
doesn't look that bad and we are getting a new one anyway.  The people 
that did it have no clue and no taste.

Then, on the inside lower door panels, they put more of that carpet 
along the bottom strip but cut it wrong or ran out of big pieces so 
they had to put a few pieces on to make it across the whole door.  
Nice seams! 

What's so surprising about this is that we bought the car from a 
classic car dealer who said that they do their own repair work ( did 
see a couple of Hemis that they were refurbing - beautiful - one 
vitamin C orange and the other plum crazy) - have you ever heard of 
Sunshine Classics in Kissimmee?  They admitted to us before we bought 
the car that they put the carpet down and redid the upholstry.  Are 
these guys clueless or what?!?

We did realize that the salesperson - who we realized the day we 
bought it was the OWNER - didn't know too much about anything.  So we 
did some homework and checked the rest of the body and engine out 
carefully; we were the biggest apin in this guy's ass.  Ended up 
talking them down $1500 and getting a couple new tires.  Still 
probably paid a little too much but to us it was worth it.  The frame 
is perfect.  The only bondo is on the rear quarter panels.  We got a 
455 which had been rebuilt by these dopes - we do know that's true.  
Our first surprise when we were stripping the poor car was to find 
that we had air shocks.  (Haven't found a lie from them yet.  So at 
least they're honestly dumb.)

Any problems they caused to the car are currently being fixed and we 
are not so worried about it.  We were crying though when we stripped 
it because these idiots were the ones who caused all the damage; got 
the secretary to tell us how long the car had been there on the lot.  
And it was definitely long enough for all the beach sand to get wet 
and be pulled through the body.  The weather stripping on the door was 
extremely cracked. (Felt the car take a sigh of relief to get all of 
that band-aid work taken off! :) )

But now that the frustration with all this is over, we can't wait to 
get the car back from the body shop so we can start the rest of its 
restoration!

The lesson in all of this:  Just because they are a dealer, doesn't 
mean that they know squat about the car.  For them to be proud of the 
interior work they did just says it all!

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:03:41 -0300
Subject: clever mechanics

So, I was examining the '69 383 engine I just bought... [the late 400 with
early 400 crank].. wondered how the heck they got 5 flexplate bolts in if the
early pattern [crank] has one hole offset one direction, and late [the
flexplate] has 2 holes offset the OTHER direction. Well, being the clever
mechanic that he is, this guy noticed that if you flip the flexplate over, you
get one of the holes to line up, cuz the offset is now the other direction...
which leaves the balance weight *only* about 1/2 a bolt away from where it's
supposed to have been- about 30 degrees.

Gosh, how ingenious! If it don't fit, durn it over, hey, 5 out of 6 fit up now,
that must be correct, yeah!
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: Toronado66@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:10:54 -0300
Subject: Re: 1968 (junkyard) Toro found 

In a message dated 96-06-25 11:09:29 EDT, acg@frame.com (Andrew C. Green)
writes:

<< "It" is apparently a 1968 Toro, judging from the date code on the rear
side
 markers (illuminated rocket emblems) which I seem to recall were used only
 that one year, and the front turn signal lenses are clear, wrapping around
 the corners. Hopefully this will tell you enough to confirm that it's not
 a '69 instead >>

Andy,

I believe you are correct on that point!

Nice story! I could almost hear the choir in the background as I read the
post!

Greg K.

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From: Toronado66@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:10:48 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Toronado Trip Plans 

In a message dated 96-06-25 11:53:51 EDT, bartletp@osshe.edu (Paul Bartlett)
writes:

<< Also, is it normal for the headlight doors to take 5-6 seconds before
 they open when I turn the headlights on?  I am worried about the
 headlight doors not opening when we need them!  
  >>

Paulie,

Pretty normal cycling time. They get slower with age as the springs get weak.
The important thing is that they lock into the pall and don't vibrate when
up. They will always go up at least a little. If they get sick and won't
accuate, you always wire them up in a pinch. I have seen bozos who use a
C-clamp to the light housing and the front clip too. You can also use a
carefully cut to length pice if wood, to prop them up too. These are only
temporary fixes though. 

***WARNING*** What ever you use to keep them open must be removed before
shutting the lights off though. Serious damage can be done to the actuator
and light housing (been there, did it, done it) The other alternative is to
take the vaccum supply away (take hoses off and plug up with a bolt or dowel
or you get a vacuum leak of gigantic proprtions) and leave the lights in an
open position until you fix.

Otherwise, I think you will be OK. Grease the stantion rod nicely and
liberally hit the whole deal with wd-40 for smoother operation of lights and
actuator. It won't hurt anything. I do it prophyactically monthy.

Greg K.

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:15:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Welcome Back, Greg! 

wesf@hpdmm12.boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) wrote:
> 
> It's really great when we can talk face-to-face to the folks that we
> converse with only by keyboard.

Good point.  Maybe one of these days we can plan a get-together of our 
own.  (Not at Sparky's though -- can't afford the fire insurance)

> BTW, folks, in talking and thanking Greg for all of his diligent
> work supporting/administering this emailing list ... THANKS, GREG!

HEAR! HEAR!    ( /)  <-applause meter pegs


The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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From: Dave Voorhis <dave@armchair.mb.ca>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:29:15 -0300
Subject: Re: 66 Toronado Trip Plans 

At 12:48 PM 25/06/96 -0300, you wrote:

>My wife & I hope to take the 1966 Toronado on its first long trip since
>1985.   [...] 
>Also, is it normal for the headlight doors to take 5-6 seconds before
>they open when I turn the headlights on?  I am worried about the
>headlight doors not opening when we need them!  

That sounds about right, but you might want to check the vacuum hoses
running to the vacuum relay (or whatever it's called) under the hood, and
the hoses from the vacuum relay to the headlight vacuum motors.  On my '67,
these are due for replacement, so they have a tendency to crack at the ends.
The resulting vacuum leak isn't enough to keep the lights from opening, but
it slows them down a bit.

Dave Voorhis, '66 and '67 Toros
dave@armchair.mb.ca
http://www.armchair.mb.ca/~dave

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:26:34 -0300
Subject: Idiot Insurance Ladies (Was Re: Rollers, etc.) 

>> I do: Your insurance lady is an idiot.  :-)
>
>There's probably a more polite way to point that out to her [the idiot, uh,
>insurance lady]...

(Just getting caught up with the old email now...)

Well... Perhaps I was a little cranky; probably my old solenoid kicking
up again. But I couldn't think of a better word for her, since it would
be reasonable to assume that the customer who actually owned the car
would be quite capable of reading a nameplate, plus the VIN would have to
come up in conversation pretty soon in the process of getting the quote
written up, plus she (the insurance rep) had apparently not looked up
anything herself at that point, since she certainly would have turned up
the right answer as soon as the VIN was processed. Model name is irrelevant
anyway, and she should have known that rather than make a colossal fuss
over what the car was called. Illinois license registration doesn't track
model names at all, only brands. My brother got a postcard from the Allstate
computer when he inadvertently dropped the last digit from his Camaro VIN,
too. The VIN is what counts.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:45:43 -0300
Subject: 67 w/o powerglide

To the guy that swapped from PG [OK, Jetaway] trans to TH350, wondered about
the throttle linkage...

Use the linkage from a MT car. No trans swithces at all....
- --
Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: Chip <chip@in-motion.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 15:02:58 -0300
Subject: Hello.....

Hi there. I have a 72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible anyone else out there 
have one that they are working on??  I have owned mine for about 10yrs 
now and I am just getting into collecting all the small parts that I 
need to bring it back to original.

Later
Chip
72 Cutlass Convertible

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From: JJF97@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:48:13 -0300
Subject: hello....

this is my first time  sending a message, and i'm building a "hot rod"
out of a 47 olds.....  2dr. fastback.

i found and engine,  v-8.  i believe its an olds 260 or 280, something like
that, from a 1981 cutlass,  the trans is good, the rear axle is good.

will the transmission from this small v-8 be able to bolt on to a 
small block olds 350? 

also, does anyone know or could give suggestions how  i should / could
mount the engine/transmission in the '47?

(p.s.  i know a 455 would be nice in the car, but i would also like it to be
pretty good on gas!   =)    )



thanks and all the help possible would be appreciated!


- --jj

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:18:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Can't you trust anyone anymore?

John & Robin Whitcore wrote:
> 
> We are really glad that we subscribed to this group.  Everyone gives
> such great information and has already helped us out a lot.
> 
> Thought our story so far might be entertaining:
> 
> 
> The lesson in all of this:  Just because they are a dealer, doesn't
> mean that they know squat about the car.  For them to be proud of the
> interior work they did just says it all!

John & Robin:

I told you that the red necks were rampant in the South.  One got away 
and sold a '69 442 in the North, but we have sent for him.  The whole 
South's economy is based upon these people.  What would we have without 
them?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama 

PS.  Want to hear another story about buying a car in the South because 
they don't rust here or they are so much better carted for?

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:26:39 -0300
Subject: Re: 67 cutlass accelerator 

In a message dated 96-06-24 11:42:33 EDT, you write:

>I have replaced my jetaway with a turbo 350 and now I want to get rid of 
>the accelerator linkage (with the variable pitch stator switch) and 
>replace it with something more unobtrusive. Any ideas or help will be 
>appreciated

What you are aksing for is manual trans linkage for 66/67, that may be
difficult to find.

Just leave the wires off.  Or do like I did and run NOS from the kickdown
connections :-)

Bob

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:31:01 -0300
Subject: Re: misc. stuffs 

In a message dated 96-06-24 13:51:27 EDT, you write:

>and, get the number off the
>oil fill tube, too.

Chris:

What can this number tell you?  The service manuals say they are sequential
nmbers oly but can you estimate date of manufacture?  Anything else?

Bob

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:37:10 -0300
Subject: Re: misc. stuffs 

In a message dated 96-06-24 13:51:27 EDT, you write:

>Wouldn't just happen to have ('67) red plastic inner fender wells would it?
:)
>
>

Chris:

Actually I do, yes.  But I'm using them. :-)  Considering I traded some parts
only to get em I am real happy.  The guy _did_ know what he had.  One, I
was/am a friend and two, someone duh-head had cut a big piece out of one and
the other had been slightly melted.

The '67 liners are not being re-popped.  Had to fix 'em.

How you ask?  So that's what I did, ask that is, I and was told to check out
a motorcycle shop - they repair plastic every day.  Did so, they welded in a
new piece, filled the other one and fogged the whole shebang in, as they
said, "nuts on" red.  They look good as new and are still rare as hens teeth.

Bob

Bob

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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:42:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Can't you trust anyone anymore? 

- ----- Begin Included Message -----

>From oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca Tue Jun 25 15:26 EDT 1996
Date: 	Tue, 25 Jun 1996 11:18:57 -0300
From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01 (Win95; I)
Mime-Version: 1.0
To: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: Re: Can't you trust anyone anymore?
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> The lesson in all of this:  Just because they are a dealer, doesn't
> mean that they know squat about the car.  For them to be proud of the
> interior work they did just says it all!

Unfortunately, (or realisticaly, really), a saleman's job is to sell.
How good a salesman he is does not necessarily correspond to how well
he knows the product.

I think most people are basically honest, but there are enough people
out there with... uh... questionable ethical standards, or who are
just plain ignorant, that make dealing with strangers a risky
business.

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

------------------------------

From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:02:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Can't you trust anyone anymore? 

In a message dated 96-06-25 13:08:42 EDT, you write:

>have you ever heard of 
>Sunshine Classics in Kissimmee? 

Yup.  They sell, i.e. turn over, a _lot_ of cars. Used to specialize in
MoPars. You can see some of their current crop at Old Town once in a while.
They say they'll import/export as well.  Lots of tourists (From the US and
overseas) come this way, see all the old cars

One of our culb members has used them for helpin detailing his '70 W-30.
 They did a fairly good job.  I understand it wasn't cheap. BTW this same
fellow is on his 2nd '70 W-30.  Seems some Kuwaiti guys made him an offer he
couldn't refuse one night.  Apparently they come to FL (and elsewhere  I am
sure),buy up american muscle cars, ship 'em to Kuwait and then run the pee
out of 'em in the desert. Blow 'em - who cares, take a trip to the US and buy
some more.

Alex - the fellow who sold it to them, will not sell his current ride, he
says, for any price again. Too hard finding another good car and what they
do/did to this other makes him want to cry.  Me too.

Bob  Handren  OCA #7728
'67 W-30 Modified
'70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL  (Whiting, NJ today - that means it must be Tuesday)

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 09:45:26 -0300
Subject: Re: hello.... 

     Yeah, the tranny should bolt right up.  But be warned, if that tranny 
     was connected to a 260, it's probably the TH-200 (not TH200-4R, just 
     plain 3-speed TH200) or TH-250, which may be too weak to live long 
     behind a 350, especially in a heavy car.  Might try to find yourself a 
     TH350 from a Buick, Olds, or Pontiac (they'll all bolt up).
     
     Tom.
______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: hello....
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    6/25/96 12:15 PM


i found and engine,  v-8.  i believe its an olds 260 or 280, something like 
that, from a 1981 cutlass,  the trans is good, the rear axle is good.
     
will the transmission from this small v-8 be able to bolt on to a 
small block olds 350? 

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@frame.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:12:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Can't you trust anyone anymore? 

>Alex - the fellow who sold it to them, will not sell his current ride, he
>says, for any price again. Too hard finding another good car and what they
>do/did to this other makes him want to cry.  Me too.

Whoa, waitaminnit... How much did he get for the first one he sold?
And they told him what happened to it? And what are they offering
him now for the current one?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@frame.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: John & Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:35:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Can't you trust anyone anymore?

BobH592058@aol.com wrote:
> 
> In a message dated 96-06-25 13:08:42 EDT, you write:
> 
> >have you ever heard of
> >Sunshine Classics in Kissimmee?
> 
> Yup.  They sell, i.e. turn over, a _lot_ of cars. Used to specialize >in MoPars. You can see some of their current crop at Old Town once in >a while. They say they'll import/export as well.  Lots of tourists >(From the US and overseas) come this way, see all the old cars 
> One of our culb members has used them for helpin detailing his '70 >W-30.  They did a fairly good job.  I understand it wasn't cheap. BTW >this same fellow is on his 2nd '70 W-30.  Seems some Kuwaiti guys >made him an offer he couldn't refuse one night.  Apparently they come >to FL (and elsewhere  I am sure),buy up american muscle cars, ship >'em to Kuwait and then run the pee out of 'em in the desert. Blow 'em >- who cares, take a trip to the US and buy some more.
> 
> Alex - the fellow who sold it to them, will not sell his current >ride, he says, for any price again. Too hard finding another good car >and what they do/did to this other makes him want to cry.  Me too.
> 
> Bob  Handren  OCA #7728
> '67 W-30 Modified
> '70 SX Convertible
> Oviedo, FL  (Whiting, NJ today - that means it must be Tuesday)


We met him, Alex, at Old Town a couple of weeks ago.  We were dro0ling 
over his W-30.  Couldn't believe he had those original tires...display 
only of course.

To tell you how things are running over at Sunshine - their main 
mechanic, Steve, quit because he didn't agree how the owner, Steve, 
was running things.  (The secretary/administrator is his wife and is 
still there last we heard.)  Steve, the ex-mechanic, told us that if 
we got the 442 not to have it worked on at Sunshine because they are 
too overpriced and recommended somebody else. Politics, politics.

Our body shop guy says that he doesn't know how they turn over so many 
cars and that he has seen many people ripped off there.  Also says 
that Sunshine's cars are mostly cosignment cars.  (He was polite about 
it though.)

------------------------------

From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 17:36:07 -0300
Subject: Re: A-body tips

And Lo it >IS< called a Powermaster booster.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 I used to think that the Information age would spawn a great
 revolution as more people got smarter due to access to more
 information.  To the contrary, now that any idiot can use the
 Net, the integrity of the information contained therein has
 been corrupted.                          --Suntzu@ohana.com
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

------------------------------

From: John & Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:42:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Can't you trust anyone anymore?

> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
> 
> PS.  Want to hear another story about buying a car in the South because
> they don't rust here or they are so much better carted for?


Those rednecks are at least dumb enough to be harmless because of 
their honesty.  Sure, lets here that story :)


Another note about Sunshine Classics:

The day we bought it I told Steve that the radiator was leaking as we 
were on the way to the bank.  He said it wasn't, they just filled it 
up.  Next day, after we bring it home - it's definitely leaking.  
Called Steve.  "I talked to my mechanics.  Definitely something new.  
That'll be $350 for us to put one in for you." - so his message went.

Hello?!?  Then has the gumption to hold our registration until we pay 
him $11.00 he says we owe him.  

Yep, those rednecks sure are entertaining at least!  Especially when 
this one is English ( as in from England!). :) ....R

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 12:59:22 -0300
Subject: Re: clever mechanics

Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> 
> So, I was examining the '69 383 engine I just bought... [the late 400 with
> early 400 crank].. 
> 
> Gosh, how ingenious! If it don't fit, durn it over, hey, 5 out of 6 fit up now,
> that must be correct, yeah!
> --
> Chris  B. Witt         *the* Rocket Scientist
> wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

Chris:

Another red neck is loose.  We just can't seem to keep track of them 
all.  They're multiplying like rabbits.  Fencing them in is the only 
answer W/checkpoints at every opening north of here.  I wonder if 
Congress would appropriate something for the fence. That giant sucking 
sound is the economy going north!

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:02:40 -0300
Subject: Qjets

Did you know....
Q-jets were manufactured by Rochester for the most part but they were 
also subcontracted out to Carter...you can easily tell the difference 
because it will say "Quadrajet by Rochester" or "Quadrajet by Carter" on 
the casting.  Word is, the Carter castings use much lower quality 
aluminum and are often porous(!) so these castings are to be avoided.  
Also, the later-model (though non-computer controlled) Q-jets, which I 
assume are the ones with the round cone-shaped thingy towards the front 
of the cover but no MC solenoid, are said to be the Q jets of choice for 
aftermarket builders such as the Carb Shop.  Reason being, the castings 
and machining are of higher quality than the older style carbs.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 I used to think that the Information age would spawn a great
 revolution as more people got smarter due to access to more
 information.  To the contrary, now that any idiot can use the
 Net, the integrity of the information contained therein has
 been corrupted.                          --Suntzu@ohana.com
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 18:10:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Welcome Back, Greg! 

On Tue, 25 Jun 1996, Mike Frederick wrote:
> wesf@hpdmm12.boi.hp.com (Wes Fujii) wrote:
> > It's really great when we can talk face-to-face to the folks that we
> > converse with only by keyboard.
> Good point.  Maybe one of these days we can plan a get-together of our 
> own.  (Not at Sparky's though -- can't afford the fire insurance)

I can heartily recommend the practice. I've met four folks from this list 
so far - Sandy Stewart, Jim Chermack, Chris Witt and Wes Fujii - and 
every one of them has been absolutely first-class.

BTW, got back my pics from the trip. Wes' car looks as good on paper as 
in the (metal) flesh. Same with the ones at the Homecoming. Wish the ones 
of me looked so good!

> > BTW, folks, in talking and thanking Greg for all of his diligent
> > work supporting/administering this emailing list ... THANKS, GREG!
> HEAR! HEAR!    ( /)  <-applause meter pegs

Aw, shucks... <blush> thanks guys! Appreciate it.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: <clint@boto.netherworld.org>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:18:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Big Block 403s, and ignorant car salesmen... was Re: Definitions

> 	I don't know about anywhere else, but it seems like around here,
> half the time (if not more) I know more about the cars I look at (and
> ask about) than the sales people who try to "help" me.  Seems like
> poor form on their part.  Seems to me salespeople should know their
> product...or is it just me?  It's like the time I was gawking at a really
> nice 25th anniversary Daytona edition T/A with the same friend.  The
> sales guy said it had a small block...Well, not exactly, but I guess
> that turbo V6 *does* have a physically small block.  But still... :)

Yeah, I agree.  When I test drove a Ch#vy Camaro SS last winter, the sales
manager dragged myself and a friend over to his desk and asked us a bunch
of questions and promptly answered those same questions with teh biggest
mouthful of LIES! that I have ever heard.  Sigh...

BTW, the Turbo T/A of the late 70's early 80's had a 4.9 litre (301 cid)
pontiac V8!

Clint

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 14:35:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Can't you trust anyone anymore?

John & Robin Whitcore wrote:
> 
> >
> > Bill Culp
> > Decatur, Alabama
> >
> > PS.  Want to hear another story about buying a car in the South because
> > they don't rust here or they are so much better carted for?
> 
> Those rednecks are at least dumb enough to be harmless because of
> their honesty.  Sure, lets here that story :)
> 
> 
> 
> Yep, those rednecks sure are entertaining at least!  Especially when
> this one is English ( as in from England!). :) ....R

The main story goes that the car was only driven on Sunday by a little 
old lady to church over a rock road.  It was never washed because it was 
washed at the dealer's when it was purchased and she was sure that 
cousin Eddie did it right.  The car was so much a part of the family 
that the pet pig was kept there to keep him out of the sun. Etc. etc..

Red necks are not particular about lineage. They are not particular 
about anything - haven't you noticed.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 13:45:20 -0300
Subject: Oil pressure gauge ergonomics 

     Lately I've been thinking about the Oil Pressure gauge on my '84 H/O.  
     Of the 4 small gauges (temp, oil, fuel, volts) in the rally pack, the 
     Oil gauge is mounted on the top right, which is the absolute worst 
     position since it's normally blocked by your hand if you use the 
     10:00/2:00 steering wheel positions like you're supposed to.
     
     I've been thinking of doing one of two things, and was wondering if 
     anyone has tried either:
     
     1. (preferred) to remove the cluster and swap the fuel and oil gauge 
     locations.  Will they physically swap?  They're the same size from the 
     front.  Can this be done from a wiring standpoint?  I haven't had one 
     of these cluster apart yet (out of the car yes, apart no), but I'll 
     bet the gauges are fed by a trace on a PCB.  In this case, could I 
     just swap the gauges and swap the oil/fuel wires in the wiring harness 
     to compensate?
     
     2.  Get a T connector and install an idiot-light type sending unit 
     next to the stock sending unit.  Then have this activate a 12v Radio 
     Shack piezo buzzer.  The idiot light sender grounds, right?  So I 
     could just hook the other size of the buzzer to an ignition switched 
     12v source?  I don't think a buzzer takes much more current than an 
     idiot bulb would, so I think the sending unit can handle the current 
     w/o using a relay.
     
     And lastly, quite a while back (I have the msg. in my archives) 
     someone mentioned that the GM performance parts catalog had a 120mph 
     speedo available many years ago.  Does anyone know of a source for 
     these?  If I take the cluster apart I mightaswell. . .
     
     Thanks for any advice!
     Tom L.
     
     P.S.  Is the IRC olds session still happening on Thursday nights?  I 
     haven't been able to make it in quite a while, and probably won't be 
     able to for at least 2 more weeks.

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 16:42:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Welcome Back, Greg! 

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> 
> > > BTW, folks, in talking and thanking Greg for all of his diligent
> > > work supporting/administering this emailing list ... THANKS, GREG!
> > HEAR! HEAR!    ( /)  <-applause meter pegs
> 
> Aw, shucks... <blush> thanks guys! Appreciate it.
> 
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Greg:

I know little about computers, but if they are anything like women (and 
they seem to be as mysterious) - you are a master.  I want to add my 
thanks for something I surely don't understand - but just like women, I 
do appreciate.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 21:48:59 -0300
Subject: Re: misc. stuffs 

In a message dated 96-06-24 13:51:27 EDT, you write:

>Is that an "S" manifold?

Yep, you betcha it is.  I can hardly wait to put it on, but I'm debugging the
Climatic Combustion Control at the moment.  And I'd really like to get the
starter rebuilt before I go covering it up with an exhaust pipe.  I know how
my luck runs...

Paul

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From: "Fred carrado jr." <fc227@connix.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:13:13 -0300
Subject: [Fwd: JOIN THE LIST]

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1980 OLDS CUTLASS POWERED BY A BUICK TURBO V-6
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" BUT OFFICER, IT ONLY A SIX CLYLINDER."

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HELLO,

I would like to jion the list. I own a 1980 olds cutlass sumpreme, 2 
door, powered by a 1981 turbo buick V-6 , 350,000. miles on the body & 
chassis. motor 2 year's old , tranny T-350 just rebuilt (4 months ago).
3.42 posi  7- 5/8 ring & pinon rear.

 best 1/4  mile time 15.55 @85.36MPH. And race it regularly. At lebanon 
valley in NY. , I live in CT.

 I paid $100.00 for this car 6.5 year's ago. I love it.

my name

Fred carrado jr.
456 goose lane 
guilford, ct. 06437
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1980 OLDS CUTLASS POWERED BY A BUICK TURBO V-6
LEBANON VALLEY HEAVY 227.

" BUT OFFICER, IT ONLY A SIX CLYLINDER."

 486DX(120mhz)


gods speed , fred



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From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:22:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Big Block 403s, and ignorant car salesmen... was Re: Definitions 

 
>nice 25th anniversary Daytona edition T/A with the same friend.  The 
>sales guy said it had a small block...Well, not exactly, but I guess 
>that turbo V6 *does* have a physically small block.  But still... :)
>	
>			Scott
>		1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98
>
Actually the 20th Anniversary T/A had the Turbo V6, the 25th does have the
small block LT1 350. I know...I am getting picky here...too much time on my
hands:) :) :)


Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio					z28cfi@gwis.com
1988 Camaro IROC-Z/28 5.0 bowtie power			jlabay@phoenix.kent.edu
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25 5.7 rocket power
H/OCA member #0278A

------------------------------

From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 22:32:04 -0300
Subject: Re: '73 Rally pac solved. 

>Thanks for all your help, I appreciate it.
>Also, does anyone out there know where I can get the header panel for a 
>73 Cutlass, (not Supreme)? A friend of mine with a '73 H/O needs it since his
>car had a Supreme front end when he bought it. Thanks..
>DrkSole
>'73 Cutlass Supreme
>
Ahhh...the dreaded header panel search. I looked long and far until Chris
Witt hooked me up. If you do end up needing one real bad there is a 73
Cutlass Supreme in a local yard with an excellent one.....


Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio					z28cfi@gwis.com
1988 Camaro IROC-Z/28 5.0 bowtie power			jlabay@phoenix.kent.edu
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25 5.7 rocket power
H/OCA member #0278A

------------------------------

From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:03:28 -0300
Subject: Re: hello.... 

At 09:45 AM 6/25/96 -0300, Tom Lentz wrote:
>
>     Yeah, the tranny should bolt right up.  But be warned, if that tranny 
>     was connected to a 260, it's probably the TH-200 (not TH200-4R, just 
>     plain 3-speed TH200) or TH-250, which may be too weak to live long 
>     behind a 350, especially in a heavy car.  Might try to find yourself a 
>     TH350 from a Buick, Olds, or Pontiac (they'll all bolt up)

Do not use the TH-200. My Z/28 with a 305 has eaten 2 of them until I
smartened up and put in a TH-350. I put in a freshly rebuilt TH-200 about
1,000 miles ago, launched off the line at the strip and it left its guts on
the ground. The torque of the 305 ate it alive....and if a 305 Chevy can do
that, just think what an Olds 350 would do to it?


Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio					z28cfi@gwis.com
1988 Camaro IROC-Z/28 5.0 bowtie power			jlabay@phoenix.kent.edu
1975 Hurst/Olds W-25 5.7 rocket power
H/OCA member #0278A

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From: rinacker@voicenet.com (Rich Inacker) 
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:05:14 -0300
Subject: [none]

Tom writes:

>I hear they set their TPS to about 0.35 volts (opposed to the factory
>spec of 0.48V) for better response.

About .44-.48 is right for the Buick Turbo, but this will vary with
different cars. The TPS must be in the correct range at idle for the ECM to
perform it's auto-zero and scale the rest of the TPS voltages.

>Something else they check is that it goes all the way to 5V
>on WOT, and I saw instructions there on how to take apart the TPS and
>adjust that, but it's not relevant to a carb.  Mine only goes to low
>4's on WOT.  Maybe I'll get the guts to try tweaking it again soon.

The TPS itself should be capable of going all the way to 5V when the lever
is depressed by hand, but it should never be adjusted to go that far in
practice since anything over 4.9 volts will cause a Code 21 (TPS High)
error code to be set in the ECM. Buick guys adjust the TPS to get a range
of about 0.46 - 4.8 V. The higher number is important since it signals the
ECM to go into PE (power enrichment) mode although there's some debate as
to whether a number _this_ high is really necessary since the ECM scales it
anyway. I'd figure if you're getting about 4.5 V you're probably OK.

Also, the TPS doesn't have to be disassembled to make the adjustment. The
mounting nubs have to be reshaped so that it can be slid further forward on
the actuating lever. This gives it a larger arc to travel through and makes
it possible to set the voltages. If you don't do that, it can be impossible
to get the proper low reading and high reading at the same time since
adjusting one throws the other off.

Hope this helps...

Rich

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:57:23 -0300
Subject: Olds book...

To: Lucas Frick

Lucas, Sorry I have lost your E-Mail address (I am always doing that!). I 
have another copy ready to go in the wings here... I sent several books 
out so I can't tell you exactly when it went out. Give it a week and if 
you still do not have it, I will send out another copy to you.

Regards,
Mike


<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...
         Brought to you by a Apple Power Macintosh 7100/80
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:19:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Truck help

This is an O L D post (ancient)..did you ever figure out what was wrong 
with your Ford truck?  My friend's truck has the same problem and maybe I 
can ask him for info...

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 I used to think that the Information age would spawn a great
 revolution as more people got smarter due to access to more
 information.  To the contrary, now that any idiot can use the
 Net, the integrity of the information contained therein has
 been corrupted.                          --Suntzu@ohana.com
%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%

------------------------------

From: RbtNeumann@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:52:59 -0300
Subject: FAQ problem 

Anyone tried to access the FAQ through Shawn Twomey's homepage lately?  I've
tried twice now through AOL internet connection and my computer freezes when
loading the first few KBites of the text file.  This computer rarely freezes
so I suspect the problem is on the other end of the line.  Shawn?    

- -Aaron

------------------------------

From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:49:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Truck help 

> This is an O L D post (ancient)..did you ever figure out what was wrong 
> with your Ford truck?  My friend's truck has the same problem and maybe I 
> can ask him for info...
> 

I have a friend with the same problem, also.  If you figured it out, please
send the answer this way also.

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:47:36 -0300
Subject: Re: hello....

Agreed. From what I hear, the TH-200 was RECALLED by GM and replaced by 
the much stronger TH-350.  V6's killed it prematurely, not to mention the 
V8's.  I read an old magazine article arguing that properly built, the 
TH-200 was actually better than the 350 because it has lighter internals 
and etc.  But why bother when the 350 is so much more readily available 
and stout?

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
 I used to think that the Information age would spawn a great
 revolution as more people got smarter due to access to more
 information.  To the contrary, now that any idiot can use the
 Net, the integrity of the information contained therein has
 been corrupted.                          --Suntzu@ohana.com
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From: Chip McMann <chip@in-motion.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 23:15:00 -0300
Subject: unsubscribe

Unsubscribe

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:37:28 -0300
Subject: Re: [Fwd: JOIN THE LIST]

Fred carrado jr. wrote:
> 
> --
> FREDS PHOTO & VIDEO REPAIR (OWNER / ELETRONIC TECH).
> 
> 1980 OLDS CUTLASS POWERED BY A BUICK TURBO V-6
> LEBANON VALLEY HEAVY 227.
> 
> " 
> 
> HELLO,
> 
> I would like to jion the list. 


Fred:

It sounds like you just joined.  I have been a member about a month or 
so.  If you like Oldsmobiles, you'll love this place.  That sounds like 
a NICE car.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

Owner of 1967 Toronado, 1968 442 4-Speed convertible, 1962 turbocharged 
Jetfire, plus various Fords, Lincolns, AMX's, Studebaker's, Buick, 
Chryslers, Plymouth, Dodges, 1 dog, 200+ fish, & a Pontiac.

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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 00:48:32 -0300
Subject: Re: [Fwd: JOIN THE LIST] 

> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
> 
> Owner of 1967 Toronado, 1968 442 4-Speed convertible, 1962 turbocharged 
> Jetfire, plus various Fords, Lincolns, AMX's, Studebaker's, Buick, 
> Chryslers, Plymouth, Dodges, 1 dog, 200+ fish, & a Pontiac.
> 

Uh... Is that in order of importance?

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

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From: DrkSole@aol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 00:47:18 -0300
Subject: '73 Cutlass header panel (wasRe: '73 Rally pac solved.) 

In a message dated 96-06-25 21:38:05 EDT, you write:

>Subj:	Re: '73 Rally pac solved.
>Date:	96-06-25 21:38:05 EDT
>From:	z28cfi@gwis.com (Jason P. Labay)
>Sender:	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Reply-to:	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>To:	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca, oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>
>
>>Thanks for all your help, I appreciate it.
>>Also, does anyone out there know where I can get the header panel for a 
>>73 Cutlass, (not Supreme)? A friend of mine with a '73 H/O needs it since
>his
>>car had a Supreme front end when he bought it. Thanks..
>>DrkSole
>>'73 Cutlass Supreme
>>
>Ahhh...the dreaded header panel search. I looked long and far until Chris
>Witt hooked me up. If you do end up needing one real bad there is a 73
>Cutlass Supreme in a local yard with an excellent one.....
>
>
>Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio					z28cfi@gwis.com
>1988 Camaro IROC-Z/28 5.0 bowtie power			jlabay@phoenix.kent.edu
>1975 Hurst/Olds W-25 5.7 rocket power
>H/OCA member #0278A
>
>

Well, what my friend needs is the Cutlass/Cutlass S header panel. When he
bought the car, it didn't have one since it had been wrecked, and he used a
Supreme header panel instead of the correct Cutlass panel. I could use the
turn signal lens from the supreme in your area though. 
Also of interest; I was walking through the yard on the other side of town,
only one that has cars older than 79, found a ton of 74-77 Cutlasses and
Supremes, a 2-Door '67 Delta with a C-headed 2barrel 425 in good shape, a 76
Supreme with full buckets and console, and in the back row, a 75 Hurst Olds. 
I asked the yard owner about the last one. Seems the car had been impounded
by the cops, had sat for 3 months unclaimed, and cops junked it. This car had
been for Sale in January in a parking lot, should have gotten it.  T-tops are
still good, though I don't know if they've been taken since I was last there,
the Swivels, console, and dual gate left within a week of its arrival, as did
all the emblems,  has a 75 455 in it, FE-2 suspension and 15x7 SSIII's.
Anyone interested?
DrkSole

'73 Cutlass Supreme
Des Moines, IA

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 19:59:58 -0300
Subject: Re: [Fwd: JOIN THE LIST]

Robert Lawrence wrote:
> 
> > Bill Culp
> > Decatur, Alabama
> >
> > Owner of 1967 Toronado, 1968 442 4-Speed convertible, 1962 turbocharged
> > Jetfire, plus various Fords, Lincolns, AMX's, Studebaker's, Buick,
> > Chryslers, Plymouth, Dodges, 1 dog, 200+ fish, & a Pontiac.
> >
> 
> Uh... Is that in order of importance?
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
> lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
> (810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
> Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

Yes.  Number 2 is the kids, number 3 (I'm divorced, so the obvious 
isn't number 3) is my job,...........

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: John & Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 1996 20:06:42 -0300
Subject: Re: FAQ problem

I just was there to get it yesterday and it was fine for me.

....r

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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 01:13:16 -0300
Subject: Re: [Fwd: JOIN THE LIST] 

> > > Bill Culp
> > > Decatur, Alabama
> > >
> > > Owner of 1967 Toronado, 1968 442 4-Speed convertible, 1962 turbocharged
> > > Jetfire, plus various Fords, Lincolns, AMX's, Studebaker's, Buick,
> > > Chryslers, Plymouth, Dodges, 1 dog, 200+ fish, & a Pontiac.
> > >
> > 
> > Uh... Is that in order of importance?
> 
> Yes.  Number 2 is the kids, number 3 (I'm divorced, so the obvious 
> isn't number 3) is my job,...........
> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
> 

I'm trying to form a mental picture of that Pontiac...

- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 02:29:47 -0300
Subject: Re: '73 Rally pac solved. 

My friend, I can help you.  A friend of mine by the name of Dennis Gregory
happens to have parts for 73H/O's.  He has two 73 and one 74 and many many
parts aquired.  His number is 313-676-0877.  Tell him that you got the number
from Mark(thats me), and he will be able to help you.  Also mention that you
talked to me via E-mail


72 W-30 Race Rocket

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 1996 14:12:49 -0300
Subject: Re: [Fwd: JOIN THE LIST]

> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
> 
> Owner of 1967 Toronado, 1968 442 4-Speed convertible, 1962 turbocharged
> Jetfire, plus various Fords, Lincolns, AMX's, Studebaker's, Buick,
> Chryslers, Plymouth, Dodges, 1 dog, 200+ fish, & a Pontiac.

I assume this is order of priority.    ;)


The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated
Tampa, Florida
(813) 210-8649

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