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oldsmobile-digest         Monday, 9 December 1996      Volume 01 : Number 397


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From: Aaron Neumann <neumann.12@osu.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 13:46:51 -0400
Subject: Performance 455 intakes?

I'm looking to replace the stock EGR W intake on my rebuilt '73 455 for my
swap.  The cam is a 290/300 adv. duration with .472/.496 lift.  '72 Q-jet
carb.  J heads.  I need more mid to low range power than high end power, so
I'm looking for dual planes and no EGR.

I've heard mixed feelings on the Edelbrock Performer.  Any recommendations?
Chris Witt recommends Offenhauser, but I've only been able to find those for
Holley carbs.  What else is out there in the $200 range?  What used intakes
are good and readily available?  Does anyone have one for sale?

Thanks,

Aaron

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From: Aaron Neumann <neumann.12@osu.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 13:46:54 -0400
Subject: Headers or manifolds?

I read in some recent posts about a past debate of headers vs. manifolds.
I'm currently making that decision for my rebuilt 455.  I'm considering
Hedmann headers for there value and decent quality.  I like headers for
there performance and effieciency...but not for there leaks.  I figured a
good set of quality hi perf. gaskets could take care of that.  Opinions?  I
also could put a pair of true dual exhaust W-30 manifolds on for probably
the same price.  What is recommended for a slightly spicy flavored street
cruiser?

Thanks,

Aaron

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|  |  | neumann.12@osu.edu           *
| /|\ | 72 Delta 88 Royale Conv.     *
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From: nightfever1976@juno.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 13:36:53 -0400
Subject: Digitizing the Dash

Hello all,
	I want to design a digitized version of all the Oldsmobile
meters, speedometer, fuel gauge, tachometer, CHECK ENGINE lamps, etc.
for my '84 Cutlass Supreme.  I came here to see if you can  give me some
tips and/or advice, the more info the better.  Thanks, and take care

Jose

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 17:57:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Digitizing the Dash

nightfever1976@juno.com (AKA Jose) wrote:
>
> I want to design a digitized version of all the Oldsmobile meters,
> speedometer, fuel gauge, tachometer, CHECK ENGINE lamps, etc.
> for my '84 Cutlass Supreme.  I came here to see if you can give me some
> tips and/or advice, the more info the better.  Thanks, and take care

Serious project, dude.  What's your general idea for this?  Do you want
to replace each of the existing displays with a digital one or replace
the whole mess with one consolidated display?  Do you have a background
in electronics or is this going to be a learning experience?

I also have plans to replace all the analog stuff in my Toronado with
digital.  (There's an image of the dash over at Bryceman's at
http://www.cjnetworks.com/olds/fredrick.htm)  Though that part of the
project is still months off, I'd be happy to compare notes with you.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 17:16:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Headers or manifolds?

In a message dated 96-12-08 12:51:56 EST, you write:

<< I read in some recent posts about a past debate of headers vs. manifolds.
 I'm currently making that decision for my rebuilt 455.  I'm considering
 Hedmann headers for there value and decent quality.  I like headers for
 there performance and effieciency...but not for there leaks.  I figured a
 good set of quality hi perf. gaskets could take care of that.  Opinions?  I
 also could put a pair of true dual exhaust W-30 manifolds on for probably
 the same price.  What is recommended for a slightly spicy flavored street
 cruiser?

 Thanks,

 Aaron
  >>
 Aaron, you should go with the Hooker Comp Headers with the 1 7/8 th tubes
and 3 1/2 inch collectors.  No modifying will be necessary with these
headers.
With Headman headers, you will need to do modifiying such as moving the brake
proportioning block.  With Hookers it isn't necessary.  The Hookers are more
expensive, but i have never had any header leaks with these headers. I have
own
Hookers for about 5 years now and love them for their quality.  One other
thing
is that Hookers are already predented for the steering column arm.

W MACHINES
(Mark Prince)

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 17:19:33 -0400
Subject: Re: oops!

In a message dated 96-12-08 11:57:34 EST, you write:

<< While removing the intake manifold from a 455 I broke the base plate of
the
 distributor. Is this repairable? Will the distributor from a 350 fit in a
455?

 chuck
  >>
The distributors from the 350 and 455 are interchangable.  You can also use
it out of the 260,307,400,403,425.  But the HEI and Point distributors are
all
interchangable.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
1972 442 W-30 Race Rocket

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From: rjphil00@pop.uky.edu
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 18:04:58 -0400
Subject: V6 to a V8

I have a 1983 Olds Cutlass Supreme with a 3.8L V6 and a factory Olds 350
turbo transmission.  The car is in good shape and I can't see driving
anything besides  a Cutlass but it is too damn slow.  I am getting ready to
rebuild a 350 V8 and replace the V6 with it.  I need technical advice (or
where to find technical advice) from anyone that has done this or knows the
compatibility (electrical,transmission,cooling,etc) of this Olds and these
two engines.
                                                Randy Phillips
                                                rjphil00@pop.uky.edu

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 18:10:32 -0400
Subject: Olds vs. Humor (aka Santa & Olds, partII)

>oldsman wrote:
>>
>> This is an Olds page. Please take crap someplace else!
>
>Lighten up, man.
>
>(notice you didn't bother to snip anything Mr Bandwidth)

Kudos to Mike, the complaint has taken much more space and bandwidth than
the orig. post did.

>  All you are creating is junk mail on this page.  Why not try the
>Net Search for Christmas fun?  They would love to hear from you!
>           MERRY CRISTmas
>
>
I'm sure they would.  However, as I consider most of us friends here (hey,
we all have common interests in the best carline on the planet and beyond!)
and I know that many of our friends here do like a laugh now and then,
(since occasionally we throw a rod or crack a head, or for some other reason
need to be cheered up after ~working~ on the best carline on the planet...)
so I would feel absolutely ~cheated~ if some of my best friends heard a good
joke and didn't tell me about it!  I feel fairly strongly about the need for
humor in one's life-- it often helps reduce stress caused by many of life's
destructive forces (like a cig. catching the interior of the Olds-in-Tow on
fire, etc.  I think 99.9% of us on the list have had a bad day in our Olds
for some reason, either we lunched an engine or five, or we got sideswiped,
or the car got stolen, etc.  We've all come together many times to help put
a smile back on the faces of the stressed, and I know many here have done
that for me.  I am ~very~ greatful for that, and I've gotten the distinct
impression that many others feel the same.

>
>Well, since it says (NON-OLDS) on top, just hit the delete button, or ignore
>it, etc., and it just goes away....  imagine that.....  maybe that's why the
>author put it on the title......

This is very true.  However, some mail readers (like mine...) will crop off
the back end of the subject heading if it gets too long.  On most of the
replies, my screen shows them as ".....(NON-"  and then it stops, so you
can't see the OLDS part.  The original wasn't cut, though.  It may be a good
idea for future to put NON-OLDS at the beginning of the subject, and then
the description?  Maybe...


As far as bandwidth, Olds content, and personal correspondence, I'm kinda
uncertain about it.  Most of the replies could have been kept personal and
private, and saved bandwidth here, but then we'd all have missed half of the
flames, and folks, I like a good soap opera every now and again almost as
much as humor!  ~Especially~ when it involves Mike, 'cuz his one liners are
better than most humor pages ever hope for, too!  :)

>Merry Chirstmas all.  I'am an ok person. I respect others rights.
>Come on, this is an OLDS page. A little Christmas is great! Do you need
>to go on with that stupid crap for ever?
>   I did not use any profanity in my response. That came from the la la
>land Liberals.
>

I think we all appreciate the ~cleanliness~ of your complaints, we've had
some that weren't exactly able to claim that in the past.  Unfortuanately
(snicker) they're no longer with us, but...  Seriously, though, I'm glad
you're an OK person, and there's always been and always will be a dilemma
about members' rights and Olds content.  True, this ~is~ and Olds list, but
if we ONLY had page after page after page of headbolt torques, tire sizes,
spark plug ratings, taillight numbers, paint codes, axle ratios, tranny
swaps... Well you get the picture....  It would get pretty dull, almost like
college.  I think many of us are here on the list ~FIRST~ to have a good
time, and ~SECOND~ to expand our knowledge about the cars we so dearly love.
Lets face it, if we're ~not~ having a good time, why are we even here?
There's a major difference between good information, and good friends with
good information.

Oh, and careful with the "Liberal" part, there was a flame confrontation
(didn't make it to war!) a while back because of political references!

I hope this helps put out some of the flames here, 'cuz I think this list
would be pretty dull without humorous tangents here and there.  If I wanted
only to learn and learn and learn, I'd go to school (wait, I do!)  Then
again, school gets pretty dull if everyone there is boring, so after a while
it becomes necessary to pass a not to a friend across the room saying "this
teacher is a putz" or something, and then two people smile.  Their day has
been uplifted.  Then the teacher finds the note and makes them stay after
class, where they have to write on the board "I will not pass notes or tell
jokes in class" 250 times!  Talk about wasting bandwidth!

Most of the posts here have been well labelled, so if you don't want to hear
about it, you can delete it.  Unless you're using something like an old
TRS-80 or Commodore 64, (remember those!) you can likely do this with one or
two touches of the keyboard.  Not tough at all.  If you're required to go
through some major ordeal just to delete a message, I'd suggest finding a
new ISP, or upgrading your mail reader ~soon.~  For those who require such
perfect order in their life that a Non-Olds post on an Olds list just
frazzles the nerves, then I'd strongly recommend therapy, 'cuz that kind of
stress can cause heart problems, and your head might explode!  Folks, you
can only imagine what kind of mess that would make.  Rampant thoughts
everywhere, and you thought tranny fluid and light leaks were bad!

I'm done rambling.  I felt the need to defend our friends who helped put
smiles on our faces, and defend our list from losing the informality that
makes it so enjoyable.  As for the redundant posts, hell I have no life, and
my phone never rings, so when I see 80+ messages coming in, I think it's
pretty cool!  Thanks for reading this far and letting me vent, and a special
thanks to those here that make us laugh...  Later!   :)

Oh, and for those that just didn't like the Santa Science thing, don't
worry, it's just the bad people who didn't get anything trying to find ways
of disproving his existance.  Their's one thing that SPY mag. didn't discuss
that well, that's the big red thing on Rudolph's nose.  Many have the false
believe that it ~is~ his nose, but ~I~ know otherwise!  It's ~really~ a
Rocket emblem, which ~concretely~ explains the ability to travel so far with
such a large payload, at such a blazing speed!!!  :)


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 18:23:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Digitizing the Dash

>nightfever1976@juno.com (AKA Jose) wrote:
>>
>> I want to design a digitized version of all the Oldsmobile meters,
>> speedometer, fuel gauge, tachometer, CHECK ENGINE lamps, etc.
>> for my '84 Cutlass Supreme.  I came here to see if you can give me some
>> tips and/or advice, the more info the better.  Thanks, and take care

I've always wanted to do this.  Cyberdine and Dakota Digital both offer many
guage versions in digital.  If you have the rally cluster, it should be no
~major~ hassle, if you just fill up all the stock holes.  I am completely
unaware of their mounting provisions, however.  There are companies out
there that will custom design Vac.Flo. displays to suit your needs, but I'd
imagine it's big $$$ for that.  The idiot lights and PRNDL might need to
take that route.  If you're looking to scrap the entire cluster for a new
design, it might be a bit more work.  Either way would be ~too~ cool, tho!
I've seen many adds for the digital guages, and I've always wanted to switch
mine to the VFD, which would match the heads-up display and my Clarion
spectrum analyzer.  Anyone ever seen a digital vacuum guage?!?  If you go
with VFD guages, another swap that would be ~entirely~ too cool, is (looking
both directions to make sure no one is listening, since this was going to be
~my~ trick a while back!) swapping the HVAC assembly out of a newer GM FWD
like a Regal, etc.  There were quite a few of them that had the blue and VFD
displays for their heater controls, ~and~ shared a real close size to ours.
The trick would be matching up all the motors and doors and electronics to
the old vacuum stuff...  That's my secret, don't tell anyone!  ;)

Good luck, and get pictures when you finish!  I want to see it!

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 21:38:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds vs. Humor (aka Santa & Olds, partII)

Charley Buehner wrote:

A lot of well thought out, sensible stuff.

And I agree with you, Charley.  Like you, I see this as a conversation
between friends and just because the subject may be Oldsmobiles that
shouldn't mean that it MUST be by the Oldsmobile, for the Oldsmobile, and
nothing but the Oldsmobile so help you God.  There's a lot of bright,
knowledgeable, and very funny people here and to insist they should only
be allowed to show one side of their personallity would be a great loss
to us all.

Peace on Earth and good will towards men.

The 66 Toro and Mike

Oh yeah, PS:  If you don't want public grief, don't post public flames.


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 18:53:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Performance 455 intakes?

>I'm looking to replace the stock EGR W intake on my rebuilt '73 455 for my
>swap.  The cam is a 290/300 adv. duration with .472/.496 lift.  '72 Q-jet
>carb.  J heads.  I need more mid to low range power than high end power, so
>I'm looking for dual planes and no EGR.
>
>I've heard mixed feelings on the Edelbrock Performer.

  Any recommendations?
>Chris Witt recommends Offenhauser, but I've only been able to find those for
>Holley carbs.  What else is out there in the $200 range?

    Umm, 2 bbl!  These are Olds, therefore are good, therefore these are
expensive :(  Actually, my Performer was just a bit over 200, not much.  I
used an Offy on my Small Blocks.  ~Really~ cool intake.  Had provisions for
an add-on EGR, but would not clear the stock HEI.  I got mine to work with a
bit of grinding tho.  No idea what Offy has for the BB Olds, tho.

My SB Offy was a dual-PORT 360'.  Has isolated runners for primary and
secondaries all the way to the head.  Really neat!

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 19:34:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day

At 03:16 PM 12/7/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>I would like to suggest to all you Oldsmobile gear heads out their, and do
>>what I'm about to do.
>>
>>"Whats that", you ask; "why celebrate Pearl Harbor of course."
>>
>>How, "lets all go out and get bombed."
>>
>>Anon.
>
>Excuse me, but do you even know what Pearl Harbor Day is about?  It was a
>tragic day in American history.  Hardly something to celebrate or make jokes
>about ("let's go get bombed, huh, huh").  Sounds like something you'd hear
>from Beavis and Butthead.  A day to commemorate and remember, not a day to
>celebrate.  Please try to use some discretion, Anon., er, I mean C.R.F.
>--
>Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
>dpauliso@gate.net
>
>
>
Excuse you.  Not this time.  I'm afraid that I am not a devotee of Beavis or
Butthead, 'cept maybe for the ones on this list.

Just so that you are made aware, this was intended as a Joke.  It's ashame
that you don't recognize a joke when you see one.  The strangest thing about
this joke is that it was told to me by a Pearl Harbor survivor.  He has
Pearl Harbor Survivor's license plates on his car and everything.  He though
it was funny.

Mayby I should be the one that was offended, because I don't drink.

They could hang you with a new rope and you'd probably complain that it
scratches.  (This is known as gallows humor, another kind of joke.  It's
deadly serious if you suspended by the end of the rope.  That dose not make
it any less funny.

Just to prevent you from being mislead in the future, I will place
Non-Oldsmobile advise in the header.

Get a life if that's possible in Florida.

Cliff Feiler
aka Anon.
aka The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 19:36:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day

At 07:21 PM 12/7/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Dave Paulison wrote:
>>
>> Please try to use some discretion, Anon., er, I mean C.R.F.
>
>WHAT!  Anon = CRF = WizKid?  I can't believe it!  What a shocker!
>
>The 66 Toro and .... (I'm not tellin ya)
>
>
>--
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
>
>
>
What's wrong with Florida.  Shocked at what.  A funny joke.  Stick something
in a light socket, and get another one.

Cliff Feiler
aka Anon.
aka The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 19:41:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

At 04:29 PM 12/7/96 -0400, you wrote:
>If you don't want to enjoy a bit of clean humor and lighten up your holidays
>then just press delete now... If you do need a laugh then read on...
>
>
>As a result of an overwhelming lack of requests, and with research
>help from that renown scientific journal SPY magazine (January, 1990)
>- I am pleased to present the annual scientific inquiry into Santa Claus.
>
>

Sniped to make it shorter:

>
>(Note: If Santa would have driven a Toronado, then he could have fit all the
>presents, travelled with light speed (GT version) and withstood all those
>G's ;'))
>
>Nick DiGiovanni
>ndigiova@Direct.CA
>Port Coquitlam, B.C.
>1970 4-4-2
>
>

I thought it was funny, original and retort.  I though the 12 days of
Christmas the other day was funny, and didn't mind reading it one bit.  So
as for one, a little levity never hurt.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 19:44:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day

At 09:32 PM 12/7/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Lloyd Culp wrote:
>>=20
>> This is the Christmas time & I do honor the Pearl Harbor survivors &=20
>> victims both American & Japanese.  Few volunteered for that duty.
>
>And few knew what they faced.
>
>With hat off and head bowed,
>
>The 66 Toro and SSgt Mike
>
>
>--=20
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
>
>


Just for 2=A2 I'll bet every aviator that was over Oahu that day did
volunteer.  Everyone, on both sides.
And the submariners that were also lost in the attack, too.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 19:45:48 -0400
Subject: Re: off email

At 11:04 PM 12/7/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi,
>  could you guys please take me off your E mail list
>        thanks jm
>
>
A E-mail victum and not a swear word in sight, how refreshing.

The Wiz

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From: J V <jev114@psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 19:48:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Performance 455 intakes?

Holley street Dominator works well, but it's a single plane!

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 19:55:26 -0400
Subject: Re: oops!

At 05:19 PM 12/8/96 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-12-08 11:57:34 EST, you write:
>
><< While removing the intake manifold from a 455 I broke the base plate of
>the
> distributor. Is this repairable? Will the distributor from a 350 fit in a
>455?
>
> chuck
>  >>
>The distributors from the 350 and 455 are interchangable.  You can also use
>it out of the 260,307,400,403,425.  But the HEI and Point distributors are
>all
>interchangable.
>
>W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
>1972 442 W-30 Race Rocket
>
>
Are all of these distributors just mechanically interchangeable? Or are
they, in fact, operationally interchangeable as well?  Dwell requirements,
weight and spring values on the point type, and the same considerations on
the HEI?

The Wiz Wonders

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From: Brian Cizas <bscizas@orion.branch-co.lib.mi.us>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 20:00:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds vs. Humor (aka Santa & Olds, partII)

At 09:38 PM 12/8/96 -0400, Mike Frederick wrote:
>
>And I agree with you, Charley.  Like you, I see this as a conversation
>between friends and just because the subject may be Oldsmobiles that
>shouldn't mean that it MUST be by the Oldsmobile, for the Oldsmobile, and
>nothing but the Oldsmobile so help you God.  There's a lot of bright,
>knowledgeable, and very funny people here and to insist they should only
>be allowed to show one side of their personallity would be a great loss
>to us all.
>

I couldn't have said it better myself.  I also see this as a conversation
between friends.  IMO, if you want only information and can't stand some
friendly chat, then read books.  There are some great people on this list
that have an extreme amount of knowledge about Oldsmobiles and that also
have a great sense of humor.  Frankly, without this sense of humor, this
list would get very boring.  We should all see ourselves as friends on this
list and act like friends towards each other.  Would anybody tell their
friends to take their cr#p someplace else if they start telling jokes, I'd
hope not.

Thanks for listening, and Happy Holidays to all

Brian Cizas
1963 Olds Cutlass F85
1987 Olds Cutlass Ciera
1981 Olds Delta 88

P.S.  I love reading jokes or any kind of humor so if anybody has anything
that they don't want to post to the olds list for the fear of being flamed
send it my way.  I'd never flame anybody for any jokes, no matter how bad
they are ;)

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From: Matt Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 22:40:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Junkyard Finds

Bryceman wrote:
>
> In case anyone is interested I found a louvered hood for '72 442 at the
> junkyard today. It is perfect except for being slightly bent on the front
> vertical surface next to the hood latch. Not visible with hood closed and
> easily repairable. Still has chrome strip at rear of hood too. They want
> $75 for it. Anyone interested can email me directly for the salvage yard
> phone #.
>
Bryceman,
   not really in need of the hood, but I have been wondering if there
were any good salvage yards in the Chicago area.  Any that you
like/Avoid?
Thanks!
- ---M
-
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
MMayer@InterAccess.Com                 | Matt Mayer VM: (800) 481-1323 
		
| "Well, that was interesting......"

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 23:55:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day

C.R.F. wrote:
>
> What's wrong with Florida.

It's the heat and high humidity, Cliff.  It rots our brains
and our Oldsmobiles (<-eh?).  Very dangerous.  You should
never consider moving here.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Oldsruns@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 23:13:24 -0400
Subject: '69 Toronado

My nephews were here for he weekend, and they put air in all the tires and
started all of the cars that would run.  We had blast.  We got everything
started, that has an engine in it, except for the '35 Coupe, and the
Corvette.  The coupe could probably be made to run, with new wiring, and
didn't have a key for the 'vette.

The older toro must be a '69, I was in college when it was bought, so I don't
remember exactly when.  It has the key on the column, appars to have a single
exhaust, and the rear bumper is basically square with the ground, without any
really noticeable indentations.  It is painted a gold color, with a pale or
off white interior, and about 133000 miles.

Does this bickering go on all the time?

Personally I enjoyed the jokes, even the one about Pearl Harbour.

Thank you, to everyone that send me data on my '70.  I had no idea that they
were so well researched.  Will a standard hood fit on this car?

Red Rock
1970 442

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 23:10:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Digitizing the Dash

At 05:23 PM 12/8/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>> I want to design a digitized version of all the Oldsmobile meters,
[snip]
>I've always wanted to do this.  Cyberdine and Dakota Digital both offer many
[snip]
>imagine it's big $$$ for that.  The idiot lights and PRNDL might need to
>take that route.  If you're looking to scrap the entire cluster for a new

I'd like to do a strip of digital gauges to replace the idiot lights in the
above-dash panel on my Electra, but most gauges have a round housing, while
my application would need small rectangular gauges. Do either of the above
places make the gauges in anything other than a round or square format; I'd
like just the display portion, which seems to be less than 3/4" high.

Whatever the case, I'd like to replace the stock PRNDL indicator with an
illuminated electric version; anyone know of one of these? Perhaps even a
factory version that could be mounted remote from the column.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 23:10:35 -0400
Subject: Re: oops!

At 06:55 PM 12/8/96 -0500, you wrote:
>><< While removing the intake manifold from a 455 I broke the base plate of
>>the
>> distributor. Is this repairable? Will the distributor from a 350 fit in a
>>455?

You could also swap over everything from your 455 distributor to the housing
of the 350 distributor, but unless there is something unique or reworked
about it, it's easier (and possible) to just swap the whole thing.

>>The distributors from the 350 and 455 are interchangable.  You can also use
[snip
>Are all of these distributors just mechanically interchangeable? Or are
>they, in fact, operationally interchangeable as well?  Dwell requirements,
>weight and spring values on the point type, and the same considerations on
>the HEI?

While most distributors have different advance curves, vacuum canisters,
etc., by and large the distributor from one would work in another; if you
wanted identical operation, you could just swap over all the components that
affect the performance of the distributor (springs, weights, vac. advance).

Since most of us modify our distributors for optimum performance, and this
involves changing springs, weights and vacuum advance, then the starting
point is irrelevant.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 23:28:07 -0400
Subject: Re: '69 Toronado

At 10:13 PM 12/8/96 -0500, you wrote:
>My nephews were here for he weekend, and they put air in all the tires and
>started all of the cars that would run.  We had blast.  We got everything
>started, that has an engine in it, except for the '35 Coupe, and the
>Corvette.  The coupe could probably be made to run, with new wiring, and
>didn't have a key for the 'vette.

Now that's my idea of a family reunion! AS for the vette, you probably could
have gotten it running with some of that old wiring on the '35 you'll be
replacing, couldn't you...? ;)

>The older toro must be a '69, I was in college when it was bought, so I don't
>remember exactly when.  It has the key on the column, appars to have a single
>exhaust, and the rear bumper is basically square with the ground, without any
>really noticeable indentations.  It is painted a gold color, with a pale or
>off white interior, and about 133000 miles.

If it has the hideaway headlights, then it is a '69 (which I think are the
best, but then again, I'm kinda biased...). Nice color combination.

You know your introductory remarks have been a source of frustration to us
all, because whenever we see your descriptions of your cars, we have to
fight the urge to reply "So, how much do you want for that...". :)

>Does this bickering go on all the time?

Only when Virginia Tech is in session <ducking>

This mailing list is probably one of the best, most focused lists, with a
balance between serious tech info and light humor. Sometimes it takes people
a while to get a hang of how things go here, and some people get frustrated
and jumpy over non-tech or non-Olds (or non-Cutlass or non-98 or
non-Toro...) posts. If they give it a chance, however, and learn to use
their delete key, then harmony is achieved in the universe (or at least in
our little corner of it, and hey, that's a start).

>Thank you, to everyone that send me data on my '70.  I had no idea that they
>were so well researched.  Will a standard hood fit on this car?

Yes, as long as you use a non-OAI air cleaner. In fact, the OAI was an
option on the 442, not standard, so some came with the standard hood.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: George Torch <curiousg@crown.icongrp.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 02:23:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Digitizing the Dash

Robert J. Barry wrote:
>
> >
> I'd like to do a strip of digital gauges to replace the idiot lights in the
> above-dash panel on my Electra, but most gauges have a round housing, while
> my application would need small rectangular gauges. Do either of the above
> places make the gauges in anything other than a round or square format; I'd
> like just the display portion, which seems to be less than 3/4" high.
>
> Whatever the case, I'd like to replace the stock PRNDL indicator with an
> illuminated electric version; anyone know of one of these? Perhaps even a
> factory version that could be mounted remote from the column.
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

Don't know if this will help, but Summit Racing sells complete digital
dashes.  Speedo and all basic guages mounted on a nice panel.  Very cool
looking blue flourecent displays.  I think other colors are also
available.  I don't have the catalog with me, but I think the prices were
in the $400.00 to $500.00 range.  Not sure if that includes the sending
units or not.  If you want more info let me know and I'll find the
catalog.

George Torch
 62 Dynamic 88
 66 Corvair Monza
 90 Geo Storm

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 23:52:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Headers or manifolds?

In a message dated 96-12-08 12:51:56 EST, you write:

<< Aaron

  _____
 |  |  |* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
 |  |  | Aaron Neumann St. Marys, OH  *
 |  |  | neumann.12@osu.edu           *
 | /|\ | 72 Delta 88 Royale Conv.     *
 |/_|_\|* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *	 >>

Hey, never heard back from you.  Did my directions for some decent spots to
visit come in handy (at least to give you a good road trip)?  Was just
curious.

Chris Ruper

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 23:52:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds vs. Humor (aka Santa & Olds, partII)

In a message dated 96-12-08 17:42:33 EST, you write:

<< And I agree with you, Charley.  Like you, I see this as a conversation
 between friends and just because the subject may be Oldsmobiles that
 shouldn't mean that it MUST be by the Oldsmobile, for the Oldsmobile, and
 nothing but the Oldsmobile so help you God.  There's a lot of bright,
 knowledgeable, and very funny people here and to insist they should only
 be allowed to show one side of their personallity would be a great loss
 to us all.
 >>

Agreed, this is how you meet, and get to know new people, and it makes it all
the more enjoyable for everyone.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 23:52:38 -0400
Subject: Chicago Area Junkyards..

In a message dated 96-12-08 19:51:20 EST, you write:

<< Bryceman,
    not really in need of the hood, but I have been wondering if there
 were any good salvage yards in the Chicago area.  Any that you
 like/Avoid?
 Thanks!
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
 MMayer@InterAccess.Com                 | Matt Mayer >>

Well, I posted directions and a list of items I've found from one nearby me.
 This has gone on over the last few weeks.  Might want to let me know what
you're after first, have a good idea what's out there for the most part.  If
you didn't see it, or would like a re-post, let me know.

BTW, I live in Rockford, Il., about 80 miles west of Chicago, and that's
where the junkyard is.

Chris Ruper

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 23:52:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day

In a message dated 96-12-08 18:57:17 EST, you write:

<< Just for 2" I'll bet every aviator that was over Oahu that day did
 volunteer.  Everyone, on both sides.
 And the submariners that were also lost in the attack, too.

 The Wiz
  >>

Volunteered for service, but didn't necessarily bargain for war, no less a
sneak attack where so many lost their lives in such a tragedy.

Chris Ruper

Volunteering for service doesn't mean you expect wars, plan on defending if
needed, but hopefully, that isn't required.

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 17:54:39 -0400
Subject: Re: '69 Toronado

Oldsruns@aol.com wrote:
>
> My nephews were here for he weekend, and they put air in all the tires and
> started all of the cars that would run.  We had blast.
>
> Does this bickering go on all the time?
>
> Personally I enjoyed the jokes, even the one about Pearl Harbour.
>
> Thank you, to everyone that send me data on my '70.  I had no idea that they
> were so well researched.  Will a standard hood fit on this car?
>
> Red Rock


Red Rock,

That is fun to get out those old cars.  It is a litle like getting out
the picture album.  You wonder why you didn't do it before.

The bickering is no often done.  Most get along great even though we
only know each other electronically.  Yikes, is this the key to world
peace?

The clash of brilliant, inquisitive minds is something to see.  It soon
settles down to a mutual admiration society until a new ego jumps in.
That new ego gets into the swing or moves on.  We get to enjoy each
other & have a good time w/Oldsmobiles.  This is just a collection of
free spirits who can be shocked that there is a complimentary soul out
there & just has to get used to it.

Merry Christmas
Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: OLDSPWR@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 00:15:08 -0400
Subject: G-Body Gauge Instructions...

I have posted a message similiar to this several times before, but since our
list has so many new members added over a short amount of time, I'll post it
again.

I have designed detailed instructions on how to install factory gauges in
place of the dummy lights in 78-88 Cutlass's.  I completely wrote these
myself, and they are fairly detailed.  I drew up the schematic using AutoCAD,
and they are on an 11"X17" piece of paper.  I tried to convert it to a JPG
with no luck since you couldn't read the text at all.  I am going to scan it
shortly and post it on the list and submit it to Dave for the FAQ, but if
anybody wants a hard copy, I will mail it to you free of charge.  I'll even
throw in the stamp, and all you have to do is email me you address.

Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com
79 Cutlass -> Street/Strip/Show
86 442 -> Summer Driver
79 Cutlass -> Winter Bomb

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 00:12:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Digitizing the Dash

At 01:23 AM 12/7/96 -0500, you wrote:
>> I'd like to do a strip of digital gauges to replace the idiot lights in the
[snip]
>Don't know if this will help, but Summit Racing sells complete digital
>dashes.  Speedo and all basic guages mounted on a nice panel.  Very cool

Thanks; I think I've seen these, but they seem to be designed for street
rods, where you'd have a large blank piece of dash to work with. I want to
integrate mine with the stock dash design as much as possible.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Oldsruns@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 00:27:42 -0400
Subject: Re: '69 Toronado

Dear Bill,

Nice words, and I must say appreciated.  I always enjoyed my cars, and I had
several of them tucked away to "play" with when I retired.  I worked for the
last 20 odd years in the San Francisco Bay area, and only came back home last
September.  My father had a stroke, and could no longer manage the "family
farm" and my brothers and I discussed the possiblities, and I drew the long
straw.  I would have been gone from California a long time ago, but there is
just something, a supreme majesty in the Big Trees, and severa times each
year I would drive thru the Sequoya (it fell over because of snow load ten or
fifteen years ago) with the tunnel cut thru.  And the Red Woods are
magnificent too.  Many of these trees are more than 2000 years old, and I
found wonder and amazement renewed each time  was in their presence.

I was able to 'retire' ha ha, and return to the farm.  My mother is greatly
relived.  She literally cannot tie her own shoes, making a knot is too
complicated for her.  However, the house is entirely decorated with murals
she painted over the years.  And her cooking would bring tears to the eyes of
any 'chef de cuisine,' as well as send him packing for Paris for retraining.

The nice thing about a farm is that there are two periods when it is
extremely busy, and most of the rest of the time it is slow enough to restore
a car or build an engine.  Next year I am going to insulate and put heat into
an old dairly barn.  It is about 40 feet by 80 feet, and with a partition I
can have a nice shop to work in throughout the winter.

The main problem here, as it was in California-there was never enough money
to do everything, at least not all at once.  Of course beans at $10 or $15 a
bushel , or corn in the stratosphere would help a lot too.

I also agree that this group does seem like a great bunch.  I never though I
could get so many answers to my questions (even they then bring up new
questions), and almost all in one day.

Red

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From: Chuck Rowe <badgeman@tcac.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 01:05:27 -0400
Subject: Re: oops!

>While most distributors have different advance curves, vacuum canisters,
>etc., by and large the distributor from one would work in another; if you
>wanted identical operation, you could just swap over all the components that
>affect the performance of the distributor (springs, weights, vac. advance).
>
>Since most of us modify our distributors for optimum performance, and this
>involves changing springs, weights and vacuum advance, then the starting
>point is irrelevant.
>

Since I am in the process of stripping the engine down for a complete
rebuild, I planned to change the whole distributor if it was compatible. The
broken distributor is in a '68 455. The replacement is currently in a '73
350. So I guess the good news is that the replacement is, well, newer. And I
learned not to keep yanking on a stubborn component.

chuck

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 01:01:12 -0400
Subject: Re: oops!(2)

In a message dated 96-12-08 19:07:27 EST, you write:
The distributors from the 350 and 455 are interchangable.  You can also use
>it out of the 260,307,400,403,425.  But the HEI and Point distributors are
>all
>interchangable.
<< Are all of these distributors just mechanically interchangeable? Or are
 they, in fact, operationally interchangeable as well?  Dwell requirements,
 weight and spring values on the point type, and the same considerations on
 the HEI?

 The Wiz Wonders


 The weigthts are all basically the same.  Point distributor weights are
different than
HEI in design and are not interchangable.  The cam gear of all the
distributors are
the same.  The springs are pretty much the same for both distributors.  If
you want
to recurve the distributor, but the recurve kit that comes with 3 types of
springs and
1 set of weights.  Dwell requirements are the same for all the Olds Point
distributors.
A Hei housing is bigger than the points dist housing so the guts are not
interchangable.  What make them interchangable between points and Hei's are
the lengths from the bottom of the housing to distributor gear are  the same
and the distributor gear is the same for all the distributors. The advance
vacuum module
are the same for 74 and up 350,403,455,260 distributors. The 307 is computer
controlled.  As for points the 330,400,455 up till 73,350 same as 455 and 425
distributors are the same.
I hope this helps with your questions.

W MACHINES )Mark Prince(

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From: Howard H <howardh@sundial.sundial.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 01:09:44 -0400
Subject: Posi

Tom Lentz wrote:  "hand my car's original buyer $300 and tell him to get the
posi".
Tom, I've got a price list of options for '84 Hurst.  It shows the following:
Option G80 Differential, Limited Slip............................$95.00

Makes ya wonder. Go figger!!!?

Howard Hosenbold
Orlando, Fl.
'84 Hurst Olds
OCA # 024551
HOCA # 1259
OCF # 24551

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From: nightfever1976@juno.com
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 01:37:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Digitizing the Dash

This is for Mike and his 66 Toro:

Hey Mike, how are you.

	This is good that you are doing something similar.  Yes, I do
have back ground in electronics, I like dealing with digital circuits the
most.  I would like to get rid of the whole analog meters and warning
lamps.  Probably, for example, if the CHECK ENGINE lamp went on, I want
to convert the voltage to desirable voltage levels for use with  digital
circuit and design a circuit that would digitally say CHECK ENGINE and
any other messages.  And of course digitizing the speedometer and fuel
gauge, etc.  I'm planing to buy a used dash from a junkyard and using
that as the housing for my digital displays.  You can also say this would
be an electronic experience, since I consider myself a practicing
engineer.  I would be happy to compare notes and any other designing
plans.  The first thing I need though is a lot of info on the analog
part, since this project would involve ADC (analog to digital converter)
and lots of it!!!!!  I have not yet begun measuring or any other
necessary steps to start this project, but I would like to start some,
but need some help with the analog info...... Take care...

Jose

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 03:46:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Digitizing the Dash

 < < < S N I P > > >

  I would like to get rid of the whole analog meters and warning
>lamps.  Probably, for example, if the CHECK ENGINE lamp went on, I want
>to convert the voltage to desirable voltage levels for use with  digital
>circuit and design a circuit that would digitally say CHECK ENGINE and
>any other messages.  And of course digitizing the speedometer and fuel
>gauge, etc.

     < < < P A S T E ! > > >
>
>I'd like to do a strip of digital gauges to replace the idiot lights in the
>above-dash panel on my Electra, but most gauges have a round housing, while
>my application would need small rectangular gauges. Do either of the above
>places make the gauges in anything other than a round or square format; I'd
>like just the display portion, which seems to be less than 3/4" high.

          < < < S N I P > > >

I seem to recall seeing a picture somewhere of the actual digital guages,
and I ~think~ they're just a rectangle box about the size you describe with
a round bezel to make them fit more applications.  Of course the bezel would
be an integral piece, but I'm sure it could be chopped off...  I'm not
positive on this, by any means, but it does seem very probable.

As for the digital Check Engine light, etc, think about this.  Find an old
used OTC-2000 (or similar) scan tool and strip it apart.  (This is a project
for the advanced electronics experts here!)  Wire in extensions for the
display (may need to print & drill a new PC board for it, don't know...) and
mount the display in your guage panel.  Here come's the tough part.  Design
some circuit to leave the scanner in a display mode only (i.e. won't affect
vehicle operation, or need to have vin's and years keyed in at every
startup.  That would be a hassle...)  Whenever the check engine light would
(normally) come on, it would display the actual fault instead of a generic
light.  The keypad could be mounted in between the center dash vents, if you
want further diagnosis capabilities.

Of course there are some holes in my idea here, since the OTC only gives the
code #, and you have to look it up from there.  The electronic wiz's here
may be able to use the idea, though.  I think it would be really neat.  The
reason I suggest the OTC is that it's a VFD readout, rather than the ~blah~
LCD readouts that some others have.  Maybe use the Vac.Flo. display from the
OTC and splice it into a newer scan tool that has some more versatility...
Enough brainstorming for now.  It ~does~ sound like a lot of work!

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: JR <joertexas@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 06:39:50 -0400
Subject: Re: A Sticky Question

Thanks to everyone who responded to my post.

I *think* that the engine compression is okay. I ran compression tests with
compressed air and got at least decent compression on all 8 cylinders. As the
old saying goes, the proof is in the pudding. I'll just have to start the
engine and pray.

JR
72 Cutlass S

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From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 04:33:28 -0400
Subject: NON-OLDS: Santa Claus / OLDS: carburetor jets

As You propably know, S.C. lives in Finland.

The story was very pleasing and quess what, I read them all.

Seems like the magig words "NON-OLDS" is the best ad for
Your message. I always read ALL the NON-olds messages. Don't you?

But when i come across a lousy W-31-message, I simply delete it.

BTW, S.C. uses Time/Space conversions to make
his job easier. In this manner He can manage even with a Toro,
although it seems he's using reindeers.

- ---------------------------------------------------------------------
- --- Subject barrier, stop now if you dont want to read olds stuff ---
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------

I'm sorry, but propably I missed the answer of my carburetor
question.

I asked about the jets (or is it valves) in the bottom of the
fuel bowls of my Rochester 4GC.

There are two of them and they have differently sized holes.

Which one goes to the primary side, bigger or smaller hole?

- --
**********************************************
* Esko Ilola                                 *
* Email esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi           *
* X400  G=esko S=ilola O=tele A=mailnet C=fi *
* Tel.  +358 2040 3439                       *
* Mail  Ukonkivenpolku 7B5                   *
*       01610 VANTAA                         *
*       FINLAND                              *
**********************************************
* Oldsmobile Ninety Eight 1964               *
*            Holiday Sports Sedan (4D HT)    *
**********************************************

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 07:34:13 -0400
Subject: '68 8-track?

I don't suppose anyone has the aluminum faceplate for a '68 8-track
player kicking around? If by some miracle you do I could use it... you
can let me know by direct email. Thanks!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Frank Boerger <103454.317@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:29:46 -0400
Subject: RE: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

Mike Frederick wrote:
>
> oldsman wrote:
> >
> > >>oldsman wrote:
> > >>
> > >>This is an Olds page. Please take crap someplace else!
>
> > Mike Frederick wrote:
> > > Lighten up, man.
> > > (notice you didn't bother to snip anything Mr Bandwidth)
>
> > Take your CRAP SOME PLACE ELSE!
>
> Hell of an echo in here.   ;)
>
> The 66 Toro and Mike
>
> PS: Not likely, pal.
>
> --
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>      Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>      (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/   I'll tell ya
>what, if Santa would be KIND enough to bring the oldsman
>a 1970 AND a 1971 OW transmission and put them under the tree >oldsman
>would be forever happy.  While he is at it a 50 calliber rifle would be
>nice or maybe a Thompson 45?  What about a pair of F heads?  I >know,a W27
>NOS 3:91 rear axle complete drum to drum!  Now that would get the
>oldsman's heart to beaten!

Man, I don't check in for a weekend and just LOOK at what happens !!

And, uh, the only Thompson worth the mention was a 50 cal...right ? ..and the
Colt auto was a 45 cal...

Any way...I   heard a cute Christmas story over the weekend...I would like to
share it with all, but I might make "Oldsman"...what do you  think, Mike F.,
is it worth the risk ??


Frank Boerger//Tallahassee

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From: Frank Boerger <103454.317@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:29:43 -0400
Subject: RE: G-body VIN codes

Ryan Hehn wrote:

>Thanks to Clayton, Charley and Matt for the replies!

>I'm surprised that the '86 was produced in Quebec...  It's strange
>because when I went to the dealer recently, one of the guys at the parts
>counter entered the VIN in the computer and told me it was produced in
>Morraine, Ohio!   Does anyone know if there was ever a plant in
>Morraine???  Unless as someone mentioned, the coding was changed >in '82 and
the plant codes were changed...

>As for the engine codes,
		J - 267 Chev v/8
		H - 305 Chev v/8

>307's (code Y) are a rare find in a Canadian Cutlass...

Ryan:

Over the years the only things I watched GM produce in Morraine, Ohio was
brake parts  and now the GM 6.2  L diesel....I never knew of an assy plant in
Dayton (Morraine is a suburb)...they did assemble some of the Camaro line in
Noorwood, suburb of Cincinnati.

Frank Boerger//Tallahassee/FL

------------------------------

From: Frank Boerger <103454.317@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:44:58 -0400
Subject: RE: Pearl Harbor Day

Mike Frederick wrote that
Dave Paulison wrote:
>
> Please try to use some discretion, Anon., er, I mean C.R.F.

>WHAT!  Anon = CRF = WizKid?  I can't believe it!  What a shocker!

>The 66 Toro and .... (I'm not tellin ya)

See, when I started on this new fangled internet thing, I sent a message to
myself so I could tell just what other people could see 'bout me...

Frank Boerger//Tallahassee

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 12:54:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

Frank Boerger wrote:
>
> Man, I don't check in for a weekend and just LOOK at what happens !!

Ya can't turn your head for a moment!

> Any way...I heard a cute Christmas story over the weekend...I would
> like to share it with all, but I might make "Oldsman"...what do you
> think, Mike F., is it worth the risk ??

OK by me.  And considering that Oldman's mouth got old
real fast and was booted by Greg, I think your safe.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:12:34 -0400
Subject: Florida Members

No, this doesn't have anything to do with our brains rotting...

Would any list members who are in Florida and have not filled one of the
registries drop me a private email.  There's a possibility of a small
get-together in Orlando in mid-March and I'd like to have a list of those
who might be interested.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:00:43 -0400
Subject: Science at work: Santa Claus Story

Please, tell us the thing.
Or at least send it to me.

And, if you have nothing to do at your work,
check a homepage at

http://www.angelfire.com/de/EskoIlola/index.html

- --
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* Esko Ilola                                 *
* Email esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi           *
* X400  G=esko S=ilola O=tele A=mailnet C=fi *
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------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 04:31:07 -0400
Subject: Re: NON-OLDS: Santa Claus / OLDS: carburetor jets

Esko Ilola wrote:
>
> BTW, S.C. uses Time/Space conversions to make
> his job easier. In this manner He can manage even with a Toro,
> although it seems he's using reindeers.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> --- Subject barrier, stop now if you dont want to read olds stuff ---
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I'm sorry, but propably I missed the answer of my carburetor
> question.
>
> I asked about the jets (or is it valves) in the bottom of the
> fuel bowls of my Rochester 4GC.
>
> There are two of them and they have differently sized holes.
>
> Which one goes to the primary side, bigger or smaller hole?
>
> --
> **********************************************
> * Esko Ilola

Esko,

OLDS STUFF**************

It is usual for the primary to be smaller than the secondary.  The
primary is used for idle as well as cruise, while the secondary is used
for that extra heavy shot of fuel for acceleration.


SANTA STUFF******************

BTW. I love Santa & I trust that he will do his job; no matter how many
nano-seconds it takes.  Not to worry about Santa though as it is Mrs.
Santa that must rub his aching back when he returns.  She must also
listen to all that garbage about whether Greg(g) has been a good boy or
not, they not making nog the way they used to, artificial fireplaces
w/no apparent entrances, the skys being overcrowded w/stupid pilots who
can't fly right, etc..

SERIOUS STUFF****

I read everything.  Most titles don't tell what is there anyway
(RE-....).  I believe that I have enjoyed it all.  Luckily I am a speed
reader w/zero comprehension which allows me to never be bored.  You send
it; I'll read it.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:51:28 -0400
Subject: rear end ratios

What type of cars should I look for when trying to find a decent rear-end
gear for early 80's G-bodies (Cutlii --the plural :-)   I'm running a
350 and TH400 tranny, and yet still have the original 2.41 rear end.  My
friend has a built TH350 tranny in his car and also still has the 2.41.
We need to do something about this.

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 09:58:22 -0400
Subject: build sheets

I found the build sheet (I think) for my '81 Calais parts car.  It was
behind the top portion of the back seat.  It is supposed to be like a
large computer printout right?  I have a question.  Evidently
Oldsmobubble screwed up!  Attached at the bottom of the sheet, was the
sheet for the NEXT car in the assembly line.  I've got sheets on 2
different cars!  How rare an occurrence is this?  Has anyone else seen 2
of these still attached before?  I'll get the VIN # for the car behind it
on the very off chance that somebody on the list owns the car :-)  It was
an '81 and was made in the St. Therese, PQ, Canada plant.  It was NOT
another Calais.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

------------------------------

From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 10:52:18 -0400
Subject: Re: NON-OLDS: Santa Claus / OLDS: Carburetor jets

Bill Culp wrote(snipped a lot):

> It is usual for the primary to be smaller than the secondary.Thanks. I'll
try that. (Would have tried unless somebody had claimed the reverse).

> BTW. I love Santa & I trust that he will do his job; no matter how many
> nano-seconds it takes.  Not to worry about Santa though as it is Mrs.Mee
Tooooooo. The christmas eves in my childhood are unforgettable.

> I read everything.  Most titles don't tell what is there anyway
> (RE-....).  I believe that I have enjoyed it all.  Luckily I am a speedWish
I had the time to do it. I'm not a speedy reader and unfortunately I have
access to mail only at my job. Main reason for this is the fact that it is
free at work but it would cost something at home.

I apologize those who have written towards me but have not reached
because of the bottomless trashcan.

No matter what your clock is, mine shows 5:14pm. Time to go home.

- --
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* Email esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi           *
* X400  G=esko S=ilola O=tele A=mailnet C=fi *
* Tel.  +358 2040 3439                       *
* Mail  Ukonkivenpolku 7B5                   *
*       01610 VANTAA                         *
*       FINLAND                              *
**********************************************
* Oldsmobile Ninety Eight 1964               *
*            Holiday Sports Sedan (4D HT)    *
**********************************************

------------------------------

From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:14:44 -0400
Subject: Oldsmobilia

          OK, I found the neatest toy for Christmas.  Combining the
          pleasures of 442s and pinball, yesterday I played the
          Demolition Man pinball game.  In addition to likenesses of
          Stallone, Sandra Bullock, and Wesly Snipes on the back
          glass, the triangular bumper above the left flipper has a
          frontal view of the red 70 W-30 from the movie.  Even
          better, they have used the 70 W-30 Matchbox car (the one
          usually sold as a fire chief car - go figure) in a track in
          the upper left of the playing surface.  Hitting the car with
          the ball sends it headed after a similar Matchbox version of
          the futuristic police car stolen by Snipes in the movie.
          ('Course, I always had a problem with the fact that a W-30
          couldn't catch an electric car ;))  The game also has
          several elevated tracks, multi-ball play, a magnetic claw
          similar to the one in the cryo-prison, and pistol grips
          (Holy Plymouth, Batman) in addition to the normal flipper
          buttons.

          Downside of the game is the point inflation which seems
          common in all new pinball games - 450 MILLION points for a
          replay!  My best score in three attempts was 136 Million.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30 (real _and_ Matchbox versions)

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 05:20:16 -0400
Subject: Radio Interchange

Here are a few radios that are Olds specific:

RADIO - OLDSMOBILE

'61            68
'62           204
'63-64        235
'65           275
'66           305
'67-68        355
'69-70        394
'71           409

OLDSMOBILE F85
'61-62         72
'63           234
'64           310
'65           274
'66-67        304
'68-69        356
'70-71        395

TORONADO

'66-67        306
'68           360
'69-70        400
'71           411

INTERCHANGE

68     $115 Wonder Bar.
       $77.50 push button.
       Olds '61.

72*    Olds F85 '61-62.
* Fits our #190 by changing by changing our escuteon plate to Stude.
Fits our #35 by using escuteon plate for Buick.  Fits our #89 by using
escuteon plate for Pontiac.  Fits our #225 by using escuteon plate for
Chevy II.

204    $77.50 push button.
       $115 Wonder Bar.
       Olds '62.

234    $60.50 push button.
       Olds F85 '63.

235    $77.50 push button.
       $115 Wonder Bar.
       $138 AM/FM.
       Olds '63-64.

274    $60.50 push button.
       Olds F85 '65.

275*   $84 push button.
       $125 Wonder Bar.
       $150 AM/FM.
       Olds '65.
       Note: 305 fits.

304    $58.50 AM.
       $134.50 AM/FM ('67).
       Olds F85 '66-67.

305*   $76.25 push button.
       $112.90 Wonder Bar.
       $135.50 AM/FM.
       Olds '66.
       * Note: 275 fits.

306    $74 SM.
       $219.65 AM/FM.
       $159.35 AM/FM exc stereo.
       Toronado '66-67.

310    $60.50 push button.
       Olds F85 '64.

355    $74 AM.
       $219.65 AM/FM stereo.
       $159.35 AM/FM exc stereo.
       Olds '67-68.

356    $63.50 AM.
       $134.50 AM/FM.
       Olds F85 '68-69.

360    $78 AM.
       $219.65 AM/FM stereo.
       $159.35 AM/FM exc stereo.
       Toronado '68.

394    $78 AM.
       $219.65 AM/FM stereo.
       Olds '69-70.

395    $63.50 AM.
       $219.65 AM/FM stereo.
       Olds F85 '70-71.

400    $78 AM.
       $219.65 AM/FM stereo.
       Toronado '69-70.

409    Prices NA.
       AM w/tape player.
          w/o tape player.
       AM/FM stereo w/tape player.
                    w/o tape player.
       Olds '71.

411    Prices NA.
       AM w/tape player.
          w/o tape player.
       AM/FM stereo w/tape player.
                    w/o tape player.
       Toronado '71.

That's only a few radios.  I would have expected more.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 05:24:44 -0400
Subject: Re: build sheets

Clayton Pierce wrote:

  Evidently
> Oldsmobubble screwed up!  Attached at the bottom of the sheet, was the
> sheet for the NEXT car in the assembly line.  I've got sheets on 2
> different cars!  How rare an occurrence is this?  Has anyone else seen 2
> of these still attached before?  I'll get the VIN # for the car behind it
> on the very off chance that somebody on the list owns the car :-)  It was
> an '81 and was made in the St. Therese, PQ, Canada plant.  It was NOT
> another Calais.
>
> Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
> Clayton Pierce,
>

Clayton,

My understanding is that you are fortunate to have any build sheet.  The
story I have heard is that the workers (?) put the sheets anywhere thay
wanted; in car, in trash, in pocket, etc.  There was no requirement that
they went anywhere.  It was just a check for them & never intended for
you.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 11:48:53 -0400
Subject: RE: Chrome Polish - The Best?

Having tried numerous chrome cleaners/polishes which do you think is the
best?  Brasso,Simichrome.Blue Magic,Mothers,Tarnite,Wenol are some of the
choices.  For you chemists out there is it the ammmonium oleate or the
oxalic acid which removes the tarnish?  If one could make a stronger
cleaner it sure would speed up the process.  Cheers!!

AL  - "79 Cutlass (all is needs is a better motor :-) )




 "The Viking"
  PGP Public Key Available by E-Mail Request

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 04:44:30 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: '69 Toronado

     Well said, Bill.  I agree that this is one of the best mailing lists
     out there.  Smart, thoughtful people, a comfortable, cozy place where
     everyone's welcome.  While nothing is perfect, we have a very high
     signal-to-noise ratio too!  While I'm typing let me say happy holidays
     to everyone, and thanks to everyone for being virtual friends, and
     giving me my daily Olds fix.

     For those of you who like reading tech manuals for fun, and who also
     like a bit of holiday humor, go check out
     http://www.nethosting.com/~ssc/xmas/nightbe.htm

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com


------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 04:44:34 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Digitizing the Dash

     What about trying to nab the digital gauges from a Buick GN?  I think
     they were an option on Regal T-types and maybe a few other submodels
     too.  I know the Buick dash is different from ours, but both being
     G-bodies, perhaps there's something you could do with it.  I suppose
     you could always swap the whole dash out. . .

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Digitizing the Dash Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    12/8/96 8:36 PM

Thanks; I think I've seen these, but they seem to be designed for street
rods, where you'd have a large blank piece of dash to work with. I want to
integrate mine with the stock dash design as much as possible.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918



------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 04:52:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Posi

     ACK!  $95?!  I have that info around here somewhere too, but I didn't
     feel like torturing myself and digging it out.

     Where's Dr. Who and his TARDIS when you need him. . .

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Posi Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    12/8/96 9:36 PM


Tom Lentz wrote:  "hand my car's original buyer $300 and tell him to get the
posi".
Tom, I've got a price list of options for '84 Hurst.  It shows the following:
Option G80 Differential, Limited Slip............................$95.00

Makes ya wonder. Go figger!!!?

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 04:52:08 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Digitizing the Dash

     This brings up an interesting question, does anybody know the format
     and details about the "Serial Data" pin on the ALDL connector?  I know
     there's a wealth of info there if you know how to get at it (like a
     OTC-2000 does).


______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Digitizing the Dash Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    12/9/96 12:07 AM

As for the digital Check Engine light, etc, think about this.  Find an old
used OTC-2000 (or similar) scan tool and strip it apart.  (This is a project
for the advanced electronics experts here!)  Wire in extensions for the
display (may need to print & drill a new PC board for it, don't know...) and
mount the display in your guage panel.  Here come's the tough part.  Design
some circuit to leave the scanner in a display mode only (i.e. won't affect
vehicle operation, or need to have vin's and years keyed in at every
startup.  That would be a hassle...)  Whenever the check engine light would
(normally) come on, it would display the actual fault instead of a generic
light.  The keypad could be mounted in between the center dash vents, if you
want further diagnosis capabilities.



------------------------------

From: Frank Boerger <103454.317@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:04:41 -0400
Subject: Christmas story - (Non-olds related)

This is a Christmas story passed down through my family for generations.
I hope you all enjoy it !

Frank Boerger//Tallahassee/FL


The Littlest Angel

There are many wonderful sentiments that go along with the Christmas season.
One is the placing of the Llittlest Angel on the very top of the Christmas
tree.

Have you ever wondered why the littlest Angel is on top of all Christmas trees
?

Well, one Christmas Eve, many, many years ago, Santa Claus was preparing for
his annual ride to bring joy and toys to all the world's good little girls and
boys.

But things were not at all going his way.  As he pulled up his bright red
trousers, the draw string broke, and Santa tripped and broke his nose !!
Then, when he put on his Scarlet jacket with the big white fur collar, the
sleeve fell off !!  Santa paced back and forth as Mrs. Claus busily worked to
repair his suit.

"Why don't you harness the reindeer", Mrs. Claus said, "That way you'll not be
underfoot with your incessant pacing !"  Santa agreed that he could better
spend his time outside, but he feared that the evening was slipping away.

If the trials inside were awful, outside things were only going worse.  The
reindeer would not cooperate, stepping on the harness, tangling the reins, and
dropping Christmas presents of their own on Santa's boots.  After what seems
like hours, Santa had his team in their hitch just as Mrs. Claus called that
his suit was ready.

Santa hurried into his suit, tugged on his boots, pulled down his cap, stuffed
the toys into the bag, picked up the bag......and the bottom gave way !!
Before he could grumble, Mrs. Claus began to mend the sack, and the elves
repaired the damage to the toys.

Finally, the toys were repaired, as was the bag.  Santa looked at his
watch...it said 5 AM.  If Santa was going to have a chance to make it around
the world, he'd have to sprint. So Santa stuffed the toys into the bag, ran to
the door, down the steps, up to sleigh, tossed the bag into the sleigh,
and...........the runner fell off of the sleigh !!!

Santa stood there surveying his predicament, when up came the Littlest Angel
with a Christmas Tree, and said " Santa, what should I do with Christmas Tree
?"






And that's why the Littlest Angel is on top of all Christmas Trees !!!!!

------------------------------

From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:10:12 -0400
Subject: Oldsmobile collectables

The other night I was in the local racing collectable store. They had a
number of 1/64 sets of Indy car with a pace car. I noticed that one
of them was a 1970 Olds pace car. It was packaged with a new style Indy
car. The price was $7.95. The brand was either "Racing Collectables" or
"Johny Lightning". Sorry but 23 years of Olds exhaust has had an effect
on my memory. I did manage to point it out excitedly to my wife, hoping
she would go back and pick it up for me for Christmas. These should be
available at the larger stores since they were a common brand.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 10 Dec 1996 07:23:18 -0400
Subject: Distributor Interchange

I may be sorry for doing this as it is long.  See what you can figure
out.

DISTRIBUTORS OLDSMOBILE

'59-63                          689
'64    J88                      955B
       others                   689
'65    J88                      955B
       others                   956
'66    J88                      955B
       others, 2BC, 9.0 comp    956A
                    10.25 comp  956B
               4BC              202
'67    8-330                    955
       8-425, 2BC, 9.0 comp
              w/trans ign       419
              w/o               956A
                   10.25 comp
              w/trans ign       420
              w/o               956B
              4BC, w/trans ign  421
                   w/o          202
'68    8-350, 2BC               422
              4BC               588
       8-455, 9.0 comp
              w/trans ign       424
              w/o               425
              10.25 comp
              w/trans ign       426
              w/o               427
'69    8-350, 2BC               422
       8-455, 2BC               583
              4BC               427
'70    8-350, 2BC               584
       8-455, 2BC               585
              4BC, 365 HP       586
                   390 HP       587
'71    8-350                   1055
       8-455                   1056

OLDSMOBILE F85

'61                             883
'62-63 Jetfire                  898
       others                   883
'64    6cyl                     952
       8cyl                     955
'65    6-225                    952
       8-330                    955
       8-400 (442)              956B
'66    6-250                    177
       8-330                    955
       8-400 (442)              956B
'67    6-250                    177
       8-330                    955
       8-400, 2BC               202
              4BC, w/trans ign  420
                   w/o          956B
'68    6-250, std trans         546
              AT                547
       8-350, 2BC               422
              4BC               588
       8-400, 2BC               428
              4BC, air ind
                   w/trans ign  429
                   w/o          430
                   exc air ind
         std trans, w/trans ign 431
                    w/o         432
         AT, w/trans ign        429
             w/o                430
       8-455 (Hurst), w/AC      593
                      w/o       430
'69    6-250, std trans         546
              AT                547
       8-350, 2BC               422
              4BC               588
       8-400, std trans         432
              AT, w/trans ign   429
                  w/o           430
       8-455                    589
'70    6-250, std trans         546
              AT                547
       8-350, 2BC               584
              4BC               590
       8-455, 2BC               586
              4BC, w/air ind,
                   std trans    591
                   AT           592
                   w/o          587
'71    6-250                   1000
       8-350, 2BC              1055
               4BC, std trans  1055
                    AT          584
       8-455, 2BC              1056
              4BC, 320 HP      1056
                   340 & 350 HP,
                   std trans   1057
                   AT          1058

TORONADO

'66                             956B
'67    trans ign                421
       exc trans ign            202
'68    trans ign                448
       exc trans ign            593
'69    375 HP                   427
       400 HP                   593
'70    375 HP                   586
       400 HP                   587
'71                            1060

INTERCHANGE

177    1110351

202    1111151

419    1111189     Olds '67 8-425, 2BC 9.0 comp, w/trans ign.

420    1111188     Olds '67 8-425, 2BC 10.25 comp, w/trans ign.

421    1111179     Olds '67 8-425, 4BC w/trans ign.
                   Toronado '67 w/trans ign.

422    1111961     Olds '68-69 8-350, 2BC.
                   Olds F85 '68-69 8-350, 2BC.

424    1111291     Olds '68 8-455, 9.0 comp w/trans ign.

425    1111288     Olds '68 8-455, 9.0 comp w/o trans ign.

426    1111292     Olds '68 8-455, 10.25 comp w/trans ign.

427    1111935     Olds '68 8-455, 10.25 comp w/o trans ign.

428    1111466     Olds F85 '68 8-400, 2BC.

429    111341      Olds F85 '68 8-400, 4BC air ind w/trans ign.
                   Olds F85 '68 8-400, 4BC (exc air ind) AT w/trans ign.
                   Olds F85 '69 8-400, AT w/trans ign.

430    1111933     Olds F85 '68 8-400, 4BC air ind w/o trans ign.
                   Olds F85 '68 8-400, 4BC (exc air ind) AT w/o trans
ign.
                   Olds F85 8-455 (Hurst) w/o AC.
                   Olds F85 '69 8-400, AT w/o trans ign.

431    1111290     Olds F85 '68 8-400, 4BC (exc air ind), std trans
w/trans ign.

432    1111932     Olds F85 '68 8-400, 4BC (exc air ind), std trans w/o
trans ign.
                   Olds F85 '69 8-400 std trans.

448    1111471     Toronado '68 w/trans ign.

546    1110465     Note: B fits A.

547    1110466     Note: B fits A.

583    1111934     Olds '69 8-455, 2BC.

584    1111976     Olds '70 8-350, 2BC.
                   Olds F85 '70 8-350, 2BC.
                   Olds F85 '71 8-350, 4BC, AT.

585    1111980     Olds '70 8-455, 2BC.

586    1111978     Olds '70 8-455, 4BC, 365 HP.
                   Olds F85 '70 8-455, 2BC
                   Toronado '70 375 HP.

587    1111982     Olds '70 8-455, 4BC, 390 HP.
                   Olds F85 '70 8-455. 4BC w/o air ind.
                   Toronado '70 400 HP.

588    1111930     Olds '68 8-350, 4BC.
                   Olds F85 '68 8-350, 4BC.

589    1111989     Olds F85 '69 8-455.

590    1111975     Olds F85 '70 8-350, 4BC.

591    1111977     Olds F85 '70 8-455, 4BC w/air ind, std trans.

592    1111979     Olds F85 '70 8-455, 4BC w/air ind, AT.

593    1111936     Olds F85 '68 8-455 (Hurst), w/AC.
                   Toronado '68 w/o trans ign.
                   Toronado '69 400 HP.

689    1110968     Note: See notes following A thru E for interchange.
                   A. stpd 1110931.
                      Olds '59.
                      Note: B, D & E fit.

                   B. stpd 1110968.
                      Olds '60-61.
                      Note:  D & E fit.

                   C. stpd 1111004.
                      Olds '62 88 exc S88.
                      Note: E fits.

                   D. stpd 1110989.
                      Olds '62 S88, 98.
                      Note: E fits.

                   E. stpd 1111033.
                      Olds '63.
                      Olds '64 exc J88.
                      Note: B fits.

883    1111007     Note: See notes following A thru D for interchange.
                   A. stpd 1110975.
                      Olds F85 '61-63 std trans exc Jetfire.
                      Note: B, C & D fit.

                   B. stpd 1110992.
                      Olds F85 '61-62 AT exc Jetfire.
                      Note: C & D fit.

                   C. stpd 1111034 .
                      Olds F85 '63 AT exc Jetfire.
                      Note: D fits.

                   D. stpd 1111007.
                      Buick Special '62-63 8 cyl, 4BC.
                      Note: Fits 142A & B.


898                Note: A & B interchangge w/o vacuum control.
       1111013     A. Olds F85 '62-63 J/Fire AT.

       1111021     B. Olds F85 '62-63 J/Fire std trans.


952    1110322

955    1111048    Note: B fits A.
                  A. stpd 1111029.
                     Olds f85 '64-67 8-330 low comp.

955B              B. stpd 111048.
		     Olds '66-66 J88.
                     Olds '67 8-330.
                     Olds F85 '64-67 8-330 high comp.
	
956               Note: B fits A.

956A   1111089    A. Olds '65 Dynamic & Delta 88 w/9.0 comp.
                     Olds '66 Dynamic & Delta 88, 2BC w/9.0 comp.
                     Olds '67 8-425, 2BC 9.0 comp w/o trans ign.

956B   1111042    B. Olds '65 Dynamic & Delta 88 w/10.25 comp.
                     Olds '65 exc Dynamic & Delta 88.
                     Olds '66 dynamic & Delta 88, 2BC w/10.25 comp.
                     Olds '67 8-425, 2BC 10.25 comp w/o trans ign.
                     Olds F85 '65-66 8-400 (442).
                     Olds F85 '67 8-400, 4BC w/o trans ign.
                     Toronado '66.

1000   1110489

1055   1112079    Olds '71 8-350.
                  Olds F85 '71 8-350, 2BC, 4BC w/std trans.

1056   1112033    Olds '71 8-455.
                  Olds F85 '71 8-455, 2BC, 4BC w/320 HP.

1057   1112036    Olds F85 8-455, 340 Hp & 350 HP std trans.

1058   1112034    Olds F85 '71 8-455, 340 HP & 350 HP AT.

1060   1112078    Toronado '71.

Wow, what a list.  You'll notice that I included little info on the 6
cyl cars.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 9 Dec 1996 13:43:59 -0400
Subject: (NON-OLDS) Pearl Harbor Day

Excuse me, but do you even know what Pearl Harbor Day is about?  It was a
tragic day in American history.  Hardly something to celebrate or make jokes
about ("let's go get bombed, huh, huh").  Sounds like something you'd hear
from Beavis and Butthead.  A day to commemorate and remember, not a day to
celebrate.  Please try to use some discretion, Anon., er, I mean C.R.F.

	Well... Some of us prefer our wakes with a Irish or New Orleans
	flavor.  He did remember.

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