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Subject:	oldsmobile-digest V1 #301


oldsmobile-digest        Sunday, 15 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 301


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From: DrkSole@aol.com
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 14:44:30 -0300
Subject: Re: 1973 Olds Cutlass and 442 

In a message dated 96-09-13 12:30:44 EDT, you write:

The basic 442 hood had a fiberglass "bubble" of louvers riveted on the hood
which put the louvers aprox. 1" above the rest of the hood. 
Don't know if the hood ornament was spring loaded. ---<<The book
"Hurst-Heritage" shows a nice picture ofthe "new" spring-loaded hood ornament
>>---The  442-H/O hood had louvers in the metal, the bolt on plastic louvers
were part of the CutlassS package.
 ---<< I meant to say that the H/O used the 442 hood with the addition of a
fiberglass "bubble" of fake air inlets--The basic 442 hood has large louvers
that are recessed in the hood, while the H/O's actually stick up avove the
hood. The Cutlass$ that I owned previous had what you described, the two
chrome
"grille-louvers" on each side of the hood on the crease marks. >>---
 This could explain something, a friend of mine has a 73 H/O that's had kind
of a sordid past, when he got it it had a Supreme rear decklid, no header
panel, grills, or front bumper, and and incorrect 350 engine. He installed a
73 Supreme front end, the bumper he used had guards, the rear one doesn't,
and a 68 455 from a boat; "C" heads, torker intake, hei, and a set of
headers. Anyway, the hood looks like a 442 hood-recessed louvers, and no bolt
on units, however, there are 4 hole in a square around the louvers, is this
where the would have bolted on?
> ---<< my info came from the original dealer brochure for '73,wow--some
funny
>pictures in there of '73 hair styles and clothes !! also the book
>"Hurst-Heritage" ,the book "Oldsmobile-the performance years" and some from
>the
>assembly manuals.  I owned a '73 "Supreme" for 1 year till somebody wrecked
>into me, then I bought a '73 Cutlass$ and had a great time with it till I
>discovered a '73-442- which I bought in '86 and still own today. (although
>it's
>for sale now because I think I am going to get a year I can actually buy
>parts
>for i.e. '70-'72) However the '73 will always be my favorite year !
>Right now my 442 has a non-matching #'s engine-but the rest is pretty much
>stock. (we weren't so touchy about matching #'s back in '83-'87)
>It's a 350/TH350. I have seen literaly over 60 1973 Cutlass/$/442's in the
>Puget Sound area and I have NEVER seen a 4-speed car,EVER... The first one I
>see I will probably buy just out of curiosity. Have you ever seen one (I
even
>look at car shows-none pop up.)
>
>ROB MALLAND  '73-442 
>TACOMA,WA (really Bonney Lake for you WA guys. 
>              '96-Cutlass-Supreme
>
I've never seen a 73 442 w/4speed, though I do know of a guy in Ohio who has
one. He was advertising a 74 H/O pace car in the GM collector's guide, I
called out of curiosity, found out that the reason he was selling it was that
he had bought a 73 442 455/4-speed car and was going to restore that instead.
 Also of interest, there was a 77 442 403/5speed listed for $1700/obo in the
guide earlier this year, supposedly could condition ex4 rear quarter rust.
 How much are u asking for your 442?
DrkSole
 73 Cutlass Supreme.

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 14:48:27 -0300
Subject: RE: 72 Cutlass Cruiser

Roger,
I thought I sent you the build date on the car. Maybe it was somebody else. 
I'll 
provide the info, along with a picture.

Art

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 15:12:56 -0300
Subject: '72 front bumper lense 

I would be intested in a clear front bumper lense as well.
 
Roger Borlase
'72 Cutlass Cruiser
http://www.cs.gordonc.edu/~borlase

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 18:38:00 -0300
Subject: Re: To the older members of the Olds list

Oh, and, just like the Olds list, you don't 
need a Toro to be a member of the Toro list.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "Dal Allan" <dal_allan@mcimail.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 16:53:52 -0300
Subject: keep_one_list 

Hi Gang,

The subject of breaking up the list recurs regularly, and to a great extent 
it is a matter of style.

There are a few simple procedures which keep the main reflector clean and we 
have mentioned them more than once. 

 - Do not repeat or append great chunks of the email being responded to. In 
   a single thread there is continuity of thought so a line or two is all 
   that is necessary in most cases. 
 - Make more use of individual responses e.g. replies related to parts are 
   usually personal rather than public.
 - Change the Subject when the content has veered far off course from the 
   original posting.
 - Make the frivolous and me-too responses individual rather than public. 
 - Restrict traffic to text, and leave the large graphics files to FTP. 

These have been discussed ad nauseam in the past, and I hesitated to even 
repeat them but they do point out that the degree of guidance is very small. 

There is a lot of value in private email because there is a frankness to it 
which does not suit the public postings. There is a great benefit in knowing 
who has skills to query based on their contributions to the public list. 
Some time back we had one member of the list post a private reply to the 
public list which caused quite a furor, so one has to be careful to avoid 
private conversations winding up on the reflector. 

Despite all of the things we complain about with regards to the list, there 
is one basic question we have to answer.

    Is being a member of the Oldsmobile list a plus or a minus? 

 - It is our list, and it is our behavior which affects its quality. 
 - If it is a plus we are arguing over the degree of positive value. 
 - If it is a negative the action is self-censorship and an 'unsubscribe'.

On the plus side, how many of us as individuals would have the resources to 
track down a 64 ignition switch for a member in Finland? Esko's problems in 
restoration pale besides our own. 

BTW, the best way to get the switch to him might be by the new Post Office 
Global Mail service. Flat rate cardboard envelopes in a small and large size 
run $3.75 and $6.95 respectively. Delivery is the same as Express Mail 
except there are no tracking receipts, total time is about 4 days. 

If this should come to a vote on splitting the list, count me as a NO. 

Some lists have no digest and there are attached replies to attached replies 
to attached replies to..... We are much better off, and for me, the Olds 
list's pluses far outweigh the minuses. In some ways it is a vicarious 
alternative to actually having time to work on my cars (business travel has 
been a bear the last couple of years).

Please excuse the preaching, didn't mean to run on so long. 

Enjoy,

Dal

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 18:25:39 -0300
Subject: Re: To the older members of the Olds list

On Sat, 14 Sep 1996, Mike Frederick wrote:
> A number of the Toro guys, myself included, simply felt that the main 
> list was getting a little too rigid.  (Yes, we knew the rules.)
> While I understand that due to the growth of the main list, it became 
> almost necessary to be this way, some of us got a little tired of getting 
> jumped on, or seeing others getting jumped on, for non-Olds posts.  It 
> would seem that what was, and what was not, appropriate varied with the 
> weather, the day of the week, and who sent the post.
> So we started a second list dedicated to Toronados, with fewer members, 
> and a somewhat less formal format.  So while Charlie may not feel it's a 
> good thing, we do.

Mike makes a good point. The list *has* to have fairly rigid rules in 
order to maintain some level of utility. Otherwise we'd just be a private 
version of rec.autos and that is not something we need. Recently we have 
had a major jump in traffic here with an influx of new members. With new 
members comes some settling-in that caauses some unnecessary posts and 
more traffic in response. My experience is that it quiets down eventually 
and I am always hesitant to jump on people for minor transgressions. But 
sooner or later I will need to enforce some things a little more if we 
continue to have problems (see my response to Dal Allen's post that 
follows). 

FWIW, I welcome the creation of the Toro List. Those folks wanted to be 
able to have their own forum with their own rules and that's great. I may 
even give it a try myself some day. And if they experience the same 
growth and success we have, they may need to set their own rules too some 
day. It just goes without saying that when you have several hundred 
people on a mail list that you're going to get a lot of traffic. All that 
you can hope is that the traffic is useful to someone.   

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 18:45:18 -0300
Subject: Re: keep_one_list

Once again "Uncle" Dal Allen :) speaks volumes of wisdom. I can only echo 
his comments by reminding everyone:

- - trim excess quoting in follow-ups
- - use private email whenever possible when asking about parts, prices, 
phone numbers, etc.
- - one-liners, "me-too" posts, etc. should be minimized
- - useful subject lines would be a plus

All of these have been said before any number of times. The secret is 
getting folks to follow them. It will never be possible to totally 
succeed in that but it is worth keeping in mind whenever you are about to 
post anything. 

I chuckle sometimes at folks who complain about message volumes here. I
don't mean to be critical of anyone when I say that. It's just that you
should try being me sometimes when you have weekends like last weekend
when it seemed that half the internet was down and every message posted
here was bounced back to me many, many times from unreachable accounts. 
If I can handle it, I hope everyone else can handle the much smaller
regular volume of messages too. I can appreciate mail problems better than
anyone but it goes with the territory here. I strongly support the idea of
using the digest if a hundred or more messages a day is a problem for
anyone, and would encourage people to use it more. 

Finally, on the subject of splitting the list: all I can say is "be my
guest". If anyone wants to do what the Toro-heads did and find a place
that will permit and support a mail list, and find some unsuspecting soul
willing to take on the job of admin, then I encourage them to do so and
set up their own list for whatever topic they desire. But this list is 
not going to be split because I have no intention of administering 
multiple lists, nor do I have any power to split it up and create a new 
one anyway! I think we are very fortunate that CCN puts up with us at 
all, and if I were to request another majordomo account or two they might 
decide to take a look at why the heck we needed it in the first place and 
discover the amount of bandwidth we use here basically free of charge. So 
once again I say that the splitting of the list is a dead issue as far as 
I'm concerned. 

Finally, I'm going to quote one last bit of Dal's message because he said 
it far better than I ever could:

On Sat, 14 Sep 1996, Dal Allan wrote:

> Despite all of the things we complain about with regards to the list, there 
> is one basic question we have to answer.
>     Is being a member of the Oldsmobile list a plus or a minus? 
> 
>  - It is our list, and it is our behavior which affects its quality. 
>  - If it is a plus we are arguing over the degree of positive value. 
>  - If it is a negative the action is self-censorship and an 'unsubscribe'.
> 
> On the plus side, how many of us as individuals would have the resources to 
> track down a 64 ignition switch for a member in Finland? Esko's problems in 
> restoration pale besides our own. 

Amen, Dal. Thank you for making the issue so clear. Hopefully we are all 
having some fun with the list. If you aren't then you should leave, 
unfortunately. Certainly there are days here when I don't have any fun, 
but on balance I wouldn't miss this for the world. We can make it even 
more enjoyable for all if we follow some of the aforementioned rules. No 
one wants to discourage Olds-related postings. Just think twice before 
posting stuff of a personal, repetitive or questionable matter. Thanks!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "ROB MALLAND" <storm442@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 10:32:03 -0300 
Subject: looking for web "for sale" sites

Hello, Rob here again.
     Since no one will answer my question on how many people are in here I'll
take it that nobody really knows, or it is too difficult to check the dist.
list (I was just curious to see if we had 25 or 350 people on the list-I've
really only seen approx. 17 different names)

      Anyway back to the Subject I listed above: when I'm surfing the web I
always look at: WWW.442.com**The Seattle Times**Traderonline**
Are there any other web sites that list a fair amount of older/ classic/muscle
cars out there? Hopefully Hemmings will be online soon (I mean REALLY
online-not just fluff-but list their cars on the web, minus phone numbers)
     
     I'm sure all you 442 fans out there have checked out the 442 Club of
Oregon home page, right? some pretty cool (but outdated) stuff on there.

Rob Malland   '73-442
Tacoma,WA     '96-Cutlass/Supreme
777 & 747 Mechanical designer at BOEING.


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From: DELPROPO@emuvax.emich.edu
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 19:46:29 -0300
Subject: Re: To the older members of the Olds list 

yes I agree the Toro people seem to be out of control

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From: DELPROPO@emuvax.emich.edu
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 19:51:39 -0300
Subject: RE: '72 front bumper lense 

I have a front lense you are looking for. It is in good shap, let me know if
you are interested.....GOOD PRICE.....VERY LOW.... 

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 20:06:59 -0300
Subject: RE: keep_one_list

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	One thing I would like to add to your response Greg is that maybe you =
should have some sort of list rules drawn up and sent to any new =
subscribers, although new members aren't always the problem. This may =
help control things somewhat.


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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 20:27:40 -0300
Subject: Re: web "for sale" sites/List Membership

Rob,

I thought someone answered your question earlier. Right now there are 
about 250 people on here. 

I sometimes look at the Chattanooga Free Press classifieds online and 
also the San Francisco newspaper classifieds (forget their URLS, but not 
hard to find with a web search). Many of the major daily newspapers post 
classifieds on line now and make for interesting reading.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 01:40:04 -0300
Subject: Cutlass Patch panels

Mostly to Craig and Frank,but anyone else who might care. I found a body
shop in CT. that has patch panels for the front fenders,behind the
wheel.Sells for about $40 dollars.He also sell Q-panels for the rear at
about $150 plus $50 S/H each. If you buy 2,the shipping is only $25 each.
Such a deal!!! Send e-mail to my address if you want any more info.

Brad '68 C/S Convt

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 01:32:30 -0300
Subject: VIN# decoding

I would like to ask if anyone could decode the body plate numbers from my car.
I have seen folks ask this before,and somehow people(Paul,Greg,Andy) find
the answers. If this info is available to the rest of us,could you tell us
where to find it? Might end alot of these kind of requests!! My car was
painted sometime in the past,so I'm not sure what the correct body color
was. Also,does the number "5" stamped on the engine heads mean anything?
Still cant find the vin number on the engine,but I feel like an ostridge
looking for it ;-).

ST 68-33667 LAN389442
TR 940  S-2   O5C
 With an "M" in the VIN serial number.

Thanks for your help on this one and for being there when folks like me need
you.   P.S. Jeff, I vote for Black/Gold too....

Brad  '68 Cutlass S Convt.

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From: DESIMONEP@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 07:47:06 -0300
Subject: Introduction... 

Hello,

My name is Phil De Simone, AND I apologize for the incomplete previous
message. I am the story of a true convert to the Oldsmobile religion!! My
family has always had Chevrolet cars of one kind or another, and I thought
for the longest time that all other american cars and of course all foreign
cars were not as good. So all my past experience has been in Chevy's, a 1979
Camaro, a 1970 Chevelle, a 1967 Custom 10 pickup, and even a 1976 Caprice
Estate Wagon (a real sleeper, 454, and wood paneling to boot!).

Then one day I'm driving around car lots to get my roomate a car. We see this
awesome looking convertible!! I had not seen one before, new it was a GM, not
a chevy, but way cool! So we looked closer and found out it was a 1968 Olds
Cutlass "S", I thought that meant Supreme at the time. She wasn't sure about
buying a car that old, but I convinced her that I'd fix anything that gave
her trouble (it was a GM, I figured it couldn't be THAT different than a
Chevy! Boy did I find out!). We were both caught up in the emotion of how
great the car looked, then we found out it was a mechanics lien, and the guy
just wanted his money out of it. He had put a rebuilt engine and trans in the
car, and wanted only $2500.00 for it. I didn't have to talk her into it at
all, and since I didn't have the money right then, I was actually kinda mad I
couldn't but the car!!! But as the story goes, she had different problems
with it over the next year (electrical fire, carb problems, and then couldn't
smog it cause of the late model 403 the guy put in it) So she decides to move
back with her mom in Ohio and of course I offered to take that old problem
car off her hands.....  I couldn't take her though, I cared for her and I
bragged about how much the car meant to me and how I had found out it was
really worth something, I paid her $4500.00 for it.

So she's gone, I got married, had a son, and now we drive around in "MY" 1968
Olds Cutlass "S" Convertible!! It needs a lot of work, but I drive it every
day (except when it rains cause the top doesn't go up) and even when it's
cold I just wear a jacket, a light one (remember I'm in California). I've got
that 1967 Chevy pickup (original motor w 101,000 miles) and a 1985 Chevy Z28,
but they usually just sit in the driveway while I drive my Olds.

When I'm not driving my Olds I'm singing opera downtown San Jose (tenor),
helping my family with their chain of restaurants (Pizza Lover, 4 locations,
pizza, pasta, salads, sandwiches), or I have a computer consulting business
on the side (I do contract work for Borland and Intel specializing in
operating systems and networking).

Need any assistance with any of the above feel free to email me privately at
desimonep@aol.com

Thanks for all your help so far, I see I have a lot to learn still about
Oldsmobiles,
take care,

Phil De Simone
desimonep@aol.com
1968 Olds Cutlass "S" Convertible

P.S. Keep one list, that's what the delete key is for, pick and choose what
you like to read.

In a message dated 96-09-13, you write:

> BTW, if there's all these new people how come I haven't seen any 
>       introduction posts?  Come on people, I want to hear about you and
your 
>       olds!
>       
>       Tom L.
>       tlentz@teknon.com

>Oh, and it _used_ to be customary for a new subscriber to send an "INTRO-
>New Member" post, describing the person and the cars that brought them to
>this list (past and present). A few people have done it, but I'd like to
>hear from all the new people at least once, even if they just lurk for the
>next year (as I did).

>- Bob Barry
>- 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
>- 1978 Electra Limited Landau Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

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From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 22:11:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Insurance Info? 

Bob,
  I use J.C. Taylor.  So do many of my friends who have classic vehicles.  
For $12,000.00 worth of coverage (everything is covered in this policy -- 
Fire, theft, accidents, everything!!) , I pay $110.00 per year.  This allows 
me 2,500 miles per year on the car.  This is plenty for me seeing as how I 
live up near Buffalo, NY and store the car throughout the fall to late spring 
seasons.  I have already had a claim for a new windshild (only had the policy 
for 3 months at that point) and had no problems.  I just said I was following 
a truck and a stone got kicked up.  No other questions were asked.  I 
recommend them.

                                                       Craig Dobbins.
>Date:		Fri, 13 Sep 1996 12:31:10 -0300
>From:	Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
>Sender:	oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>To:	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject:	Re: Insurance Info?
>
>RBraden@qualitybio.com wrote:
>> 
>>      I am in the process on obtaining classic car insurance on my
>>      completely restified '72 442 Convertible (W 30 copy and modified but
>>      streetable 455).  Does anyone have any particular recommendations or
>>      companies to avoid at all cost?
>> 
>>      After comparing info. from a bunch of companies from Hemmings,  I am
>>      thinking about going with Hagerty Classic Automobile Insurance of
>>      Traverse City, MI.  They are underwritten by Greenwich Ins. Co.  who
>>      is a member of the NAC Re Corporation group and carry an "A" rating.
>>      This is an Agreed Value Policy that reflects the full amount that I
>>      willingly "over?"spent on this car.
>> 
>>      Any info./ experiences out there would be GREATLY appreciated!
>> 
>>      Bob Braden 
>
>Bob,
>
>I use the Haggerty Co. & like it.  It isn't the only good one.  My 
>criteria in choosing a company was dependability, reliability, 
>reasonable use of my cars, & cost.  
>
>
>The only ones that I know to avoid is your regular State Farm, Allstate, 
>etc. which won't actually insure your car for its worth or replacement 
>value.
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 05:33:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Introduction...

DESIMONEP@aol.com wrote:
>=20
> Hello,
>=20
> My name is Phil De Simone, AND I apologize for the incomplete previous
> message. I am the story of a true convert to the Oldsmobile religion!!=20

Phil,

It is nice to hear such a complete introduction.  That is a varied set=20
of interests that you have.  I'm impressed & envious. =20

I own a 1968 442 convertible & so can sympathize w/the love of a metal=20
car.  Good luck w/getting it set up the way that you want it.  These are=20
beautiful drivers.

Bill Culp
decatur, Alabama
- --=20
MZ=90

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From: DESIMONEP@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 06:48:02 -0300
Subject: Introduction...Hi I'm Phil 

Hello,

My name is Phil De Simone

In a message dated 96-09-13, you write:

> BTW, if there's all these new people how come I haven't seen any 
>       introduction posts?  Come on people, I want to hear about you and
your 
>       olds!
>       
>       Tom L.
>       tlentz@teknon.com

>Oh, and it _used_ to be customary for a new subscriber to send an "INTRO-
>New Member" post, describing the person and the cars that brought them to
>this list (past and present). A few people have done it, but I'd like to
>hear from all the new people at least once, even if they just lurk for the
>next year (as I did).

>- Bob Barry
>- 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
>- 1978 Electra Limited Landau Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 02:05:45 -0300
Subject: Hard to find...

I need these parts to complete my restoration of my '70 442 W-30.  I 
have been unable to find any of these.  Please help me out with any 
info.  I will pay top dollar!
Front Bumper
"F" cylinder heads
alumnum intake manifold
red fender wells

I am also wondering if I install GM posi with the same stock gear ratio, 
if my car will be considered stock or modified.

thanks

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 00:17:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Re2: Vin #, and a vote needed 

In a message dated 96-09-14 04:44:55 EDT, you write:

>  I would like to open this up 
>  for discussion to help me make my mind up on the final color it will be. 
>   First off, I'm not too fond of gold on a car, unless it is on a H/O (and 
>  it's not), and with a gold interior it leaves me with little other
choices. 

If you've got a gold interior, these are the factory recommended exterior
colors:
A - Ebony Black
B - Sable
C - Cameo White
G - Topaz
J - Aztec Gold
S - Palomino Gold
Y - Saffron!!!  I have told you about Saffron, right?

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 00:17:55 -0300
Subject: Salvage yard in Montana 

In a message dated 96-09-14 12:02:42 EDT, you write:

> Scott
>  			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

Scott

Are you the guy who wanted to know where the fender for my '67 Ninety Eight
came from?  It came from a Salvage Yard called Freeman's.  They advertise in
Hemmings.  It took my bodyman 6 hours to straighten the dents - he may as
well have straightened mine.  No rust tho.  If you don't get Hemmings I can
research further for you.

By the way, I think if you wanted to show true respect for your '60 Ninety
Eight, you would spell it out as Olds intended and not take the easy way out
;).

Paul

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 02:00:10 -0300
Subject: Re: To the older members of the Olds list

DELPROPO@emuvax.emich.edu wrote:
> 
> yes I agree the Toro people seem to be out of control

Seem?  SEEM?

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 04:27:56 -0300
Subject: Re: To the older members of the Olds list

Hey Mike,
I enjoy reading all postings from any oldsmobile owner, or anyone with an olds 
related quiestion. Sometimes I 
get behind on reading but always manage to catch up. What's up with the Toro 
list? My Toronado is the main 
interest of mine in olds related topics. Do I need to suscribe to a new list 
for Toro Owners only, maybe I,m 
more behind on my reading than I thought. What's the beef? Anyway, I enjoy all 
the reading and tremendous 
exchange of information and help on the olds pages. By the way my 69 will be 
ready with a total rebuilt 455,
my original engine, ready to eat unleaded gas and 5.0 mustangs. Can't wait to 
get her back. Will keep the car a 
daily driver but carefully driven since I live in northern virginia.
Later,
Reggie Goble
jgoble@nishanet.com
1017 Harbour dr
Stafford, VA 22554

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 00:17:58 -0300
Subject: Re: '72 cutlass signal lense (and info) needed -Reply 

In a message dated 96-09-14 13:22:47 EDT, you write:

> No, Paul.  He's talking about the side marker lens... not the one in the
>  bumper.  =)  However, if you have a set of those clear round bumper
>  lenses that are un-broken that you'd want to sell, I'd be interested...
>  
>  -Blaine
>  '72 Cutlass Supreme

Uhhh, OK.  I feel totally stupid.  I was wondering how the heck he managed to
smash the turn signal lite in the bumper!  Never even thought about the side
marker lite.  I'm so ashamed.  

I was just in the garage today and found my spare bumper lens.  Wouldn't be
worth it to you for me to mail it you, as you could probably find one locally
for less than the shipping would cost.  Now, if you want to come to PA and
pick it up, that's fine.

Paul

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 16:49:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Silicone Grease?

Mike Hall wrote:
>=20
> Roger Hitson writes:
> >I used to buy a silicone paste lube in a small tube from NAPA. I used =
it for
> >seals around a T-top car and it worked very well - held up to heat, su=
n,
> >etc., better than Vaseline or ArmorAll & similar.
> >
>=20
> Another HUGE tip, don't get silicone on metal, you will pay the devil
> himself to get it off properly. If you attempt to paint the metal that
> has trace amounts of silicone, the paint will not stick.
>=20
> Michael R. Hall                               =20


Mike,

I'll 'me too' that part about getting silicone on metal.  I put together=20
 a nice car for my wife which involved changing the color.  I didn't do=20
the underhood area for a year.  The dearie loved that car & Armoralled=20
those hoses & other underhood parts regularly.  When I took out the=20
engine & got to work on that engine compartment it just resisted being=20
painted.  It fish-eyed all over.  I sanded, PrepSoled, & even took the=20
whole thing down to metal.  It was still a very difficult task to get a=20
decent paint job on that whole area.

What I discovered is that silicone can go directly through paint.  I=20
don't even put Armorall on my dash pad as I don't want it on metal or=20
plastic that I may paint in the future.  I really like the stuff on=20
upholstery, but I have learned to use other products even for that.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama  =20
- --=20
MZ=90

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From: Katana72@aol.com
Date: Sat, 14 Sep 1996 22:01:23 -0300
Subject: Re: '72 cutlass signal lense (and info) needed -Reply 

I have a set or two for the 71/72 cutlass.E-mail me and we can get something
going.


Katana72          It's NOT your father's Oldsmobile!!       Hastings, MN

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 05:59:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Hard to find...

Brad Bowles wrote:
>=20
> I need these parts to complete my restoration of my '70 442 W-30.  I
> have been unable to find any of these.  Please help me out with any
> info.  I will pay top dollar!
> Front Bumper
> "F" cylinder heads
> alumnum intake manifold
> red fender wells
>=20
> I am also wondering if I install GM posi with the same stock gear ratio=
,
> if my car will be considered stock or modified.
>=20
> thanks

Brad,

I don't have any of the parts in which you are interested, but places=20
like Year One have red fender liners reproduced.  Chris Witt may have=20
'F' heads.

I have judged many cars, but have never taken one apart to check=20
anything.  Whatever is inside the differential cover of your car is your=20
business.  On resale, the prospective owner will usually want a set of=20
gears that were at least an option on that car.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama
- --=20
MZ=90

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From: sbento@mecn.mass.edu
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 12:22:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Hard to find...

Check with Year One, I know they have the front bumper and the red 
fender wells. The F heads and the aluminum intake will be a little bit 
tougher to find.  I have seen ads for W-30 parts in Hemmings (available 
at any newstand) that had the parts your looking for.

I would double check the rearend.  I'm looking at the options list for 
the 70 442's and the W-30 should have came with a posi from the factory 
with 3.42's. Optional ratio's were 3.91's and an automatic only 3.23's. 
Does the car have the original rearend??

Good luck with your project. 

Year One, Inc.
P.O. Box 129
Tucker,GA  30085
1-800-950-9503

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0



On Sun, 15 Sep 1996, Brad Bowles wrote:

> I need these parts to complete my restoration of my '70 442 W-30.  I 
> have been unable to find any of these.  Please help me out with any 
> info.  I will pay top dollar!
> Front Bumper
> "F" cylinder heads
> alumnum intake manifold
> red fender wells
> 
> I am also wondering if I install GM posi with the same stock gear ratio, 
> if my car will be considered stock or modified.
> 
> thanks
> 
> 

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 08:02:29 -0300
Subject: Re: barns, fields for cars

outside.  It is a secret what
> > the inside of the barn looks like.
>=20
> Hi Bill ...
> Is this a reference to environmental/neighbour annoyance laws?  There's=
 not
> too much of that around here, as far as I know.
> I'd be curious to find out more ... Thanks
>=20
> Graham Stewart



Grahan,

The laws vary from city to city; county to county just as yours probably=20
do.  Ours in Decatur state about what most do - no attractive nuisances=20
for kids sake, no clutter that attracts pests, & generally nothing that=20
disrupts the neighbors.  This includes an abandoned car law.

Some cities have officials that patrol (usually policeman) to enforce=20
these laws & many cars are picked up throughout a week.  These are=20
usually ones that truely are abandoned (no one claimes them) or have=20
irritated neighbors so much that they complain & the owner cannot=20
satisfy them or the officials.

I have lived here for 25 years.  It is in the city (2 miles from=20
anything).  I do my best to placate the neighbors & have never had them=20
complain to me or the officials even though 17 cars are here plus 2=20
regular use cars.  Everything is in the barn or garage except an=20
occasional stripper in the alley next to the barn & the parts cars in an=20
enclosed area at the barn's side.

Being a good neighbor is my philosophy for getting along.  I care about=20
the cars & my neighbors.  Both are upermost on my mind when it comes to=20
this hobby of mine.  It is also true that one neighbor has antique=20
tractors & two have collector cars within the 2 block length of my=20
street.

Another key here is the role that the officials play.  In my city, they=20
look the other way unless there is a nuisance or series of complaints. =20
Some cities may not take this attitude.  I don't intend to cause a=20
problem for myself & other enthusiasts by attracting their wrath.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama   =20
MZ=90

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Sep 1996 17:59:26 -0300
Subject: Re: To the older members of the Olds list

Jeramy,

> What's up with the Toro list? 

Oops.  Sorry.  I thought we had notifed everybody, esp. those on the old 
mini-list.  See http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/torolist.html

> Do I need to suscribe to a new list for Toro Owners only...

Entirely up to you.  If you do, you'll notice that all the subjects from 
the Toro list start with "[Toro]", so it's easy to tell them apart.  As a 
MUCH smaller list, it's a little less formal.  Also, there isn't quite as 
much technical content as the Olds list, if that matters.  We use the 
main list for the non-specific technical stuff -- motors, and so on.  

> What's the beef? 

No beef at all.  Simply liked the idea of having a list where the 66 
owners could make fun of the eggcraters as much as possible.  ;)  When 
Dave Voorhis joined the mini-list, he offered space on his server to host 
a MajorDomo based Toro list (which made life simpler).  

> ...ready to eat unleaded gas and 5.0 mustangs. 

Cool!  :)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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