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oldsmobile-digest        Saturday, 30 November 1996     Volume 01 :
Number 386


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From: Daniel Dale <daleds@okra.millsaps.edu>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 02:21:28 -0400
Subject: Re: upsidedown engines? (was Re: Fastest Olds  **non-olds
content**)

>At 01:46 AM 11/29/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>>Sense or not, calling a V type engine opposed is even less so.  I
would >>say >>>that you, your father in law, your father and brother
could use a >>refresher >>>course in: >>> >>>        1. Sense,
especially on how to make some >>> >>>        2. Proper automotive
nomeclature >>> >>>        3. A good course in the description of a V
type engine, as well as >>>to discover what an opposed engine is. >>>The
Wiz >> >>Goodness, that's not very polite.  Have you never learned any
manners? >> >>Graham Stewart >>Toronto, Canada
>>graham.stewart@utoronto.ca >> >> >Manners, why not start at the
beginning of this, before you begin casting >dispersions. > >Looney


I know...how about everyone drop this before we get 50 posts of everyone
calling each other naming and making various insinuations regarding
their parentage. . .


Dan Dale daleds@okra.millsaps.edu http://www.millsaps.edu/~daleds/
Cars: 1972 Cotner-Bevington Oldsmobile 98 Combination, 1966 Pontiac
GTO, 1973 Imperial LeBaron, 1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-X, 1955 Cadillac
Seville, 1969 Cadillac DeVille Convertibles (2), 1976 Cadillac Series
75 Fleetwood Brougham, 1961 Imperial Crown, 1966 Chrysler Newport (fs),
1972 Ford LTD, 1976 Chrysler New Yorker Brougham, 1966 Pontiac LeMans

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 06:27:39 -0400
Subject: Toro Cleaner on 98

The toro double snorkel air cleaner should fit easily under the lid of
your 98, since they were built for the smaller clearances of the Toro
as compared the 88's and 98's. Use the stock air cleaner for that year
toro or put as tall a one in as will fit without bending parts.

Have fun, I've thought of this for my 98 too, just too cool.

I'm running an open air cleaner now and like it just fine.

cf

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From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 07:55:12 -0400
Subject: Ways to keep vandals off your car (Was scratches...)

I've been reading the scratchy stories about vandals
and their good/not so good parents.

I think that the number of vandals has not grown. Only
the methods they are using have become more brutal.

I live in a flat in out capitol city (Helsinki). A guy has
been entering our laundry to steal the coins inside the
washing machine.

He did it three times with success and during the fourth
we catched him. And because he was so interested about our
laudry, we took his clothes off and put them into a hot white-wash.

There wasn't too warm outside, barely above zero and it was
raining. So he waited until the police came and arrested him.

This happened a year ago and there has been no unwanted visitors
in our laundry since then.

One way to protect your car from vandals is to connect a high voltage
into it. My father did this when he had enough of the car thieves.
He used a device that is used to keep the cows inside a fence.
It is not lethal but it surely hurts. This was 20 years ago.


- --
**********************************************
* Esko Ilola                                 *
* Email esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi           *
* X400  G=esko S=ilola O=tele A=mailnet C=fi *
* Tel.  +358 2040 3439                       *
* Mail  Ukonkivenpolku 7B5                   *
*       01610 VANTAA                         *
*       FINLAND                              *
**********************************************
* Oldsmobile Ninety Eight 1964               *
*            Holiday Sports Sedan (4D HT)    *
**********************************************

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 04:21:48 -0400
Subject: Re: key scrathces, cost of repair?

>
> Well, your not gonna believe this!  Just after I typed in the last
> message and logged off a neighbor called to tell me that the guy
across > the street that just moved in a few days ago nailed the back of
my truck > with his and took off!  Went out and sure enough smashed
corner of the > quarter panel and a busted tail light.  Cops just left a
little bit ago. >  Can't wait to confront this guy in the morning! > >
I think if he gives me a hard time, his truck is gonna meet up with a
BIG > BLACK 62 OLDS. > > George Torch >


George,

That's what we need, a man who is going to cure the world's problems one
neighborhood at a time.  Onward Captain Oldsmobile!

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 04:36:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Ways to keep vandals off your car (Was scratches...)

>
> This happened a year ago and there has been no unwanted visitors
> in our laundry since then.
>
> One way to protect your car from vandals is to connect a high voltage
> into it. My father did this when he had enough of the car thieves.
> He used a device that is used to keep the cows inside a fence.
> It is not lethal but it surely hurts. This was 20 years ago.
>
> --
> **********************************************
> * Esko Ilola


Esko,

I like those ideas.  Not depending only on the police & people getting
involved to help each other is one of the keys to stopping crime.

My grandmother says that I can protect my cars by leaving them out w/a
sign that says, "These wrecks are not protected by insurance.  Touch
them at your own risk."  I never pay attention to her as she is 94 and
demented.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabaama

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From: ndg@traverse.com (Nielsen Design Group)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:08:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Got me a 66 Toro... NNnNN!

>Congratulations Darren!
>OH, Eggcrate or what's the other, Darren has both.

Horizontal slats = 66; Eggcrate = 67.

>What shape is the 67 parts Toro in?

I honestly haven't even taken much of a look yet; just trying to get the
good one home! Everyone that is interested in specific items should
email me directly with their needs. I plan to go back down to inventory
the partscar Saturday; may be pulling its 425 and selling it off...
(sniff)

- --

>Darren,
>
>It couldn't happen to a nicer fella.  Those are tough wonderful cars.
>Congratulations.

Aw, geeez, now I'm getting all choked up again... :)

Mine is still gold w/white (cream) interior.  I am
>changing it to Tahoe Turquoise Metallic as soon as the shop will get
off >it's duff & paint it.

Is Trumpet Gold really common, or do you like Turquise that much better?
Why are you changing the original color again, Bill?

>Seeing as how you have a parts car, if there any extra disc brake trim
>rings or a full wheel cover (1967), I'd like to know what you'd take
for >them.

Will check when I'm down there Saturday.

>You are probably pushing your luck, but everyone is envying you now
>w/the 442.  The Toro will just move you up another class.

Yeah, a buyer for the 442 sought me out even though I don't want to sell
it. It's just sitting there with the rear axle up on jackstands; musta
looked pretty good to this guy, though! May actually consider selling it
as I might have located a suitable 68 Hurst/Olds... We'll see if the car
checks out.

>You're right about the expensive parts.  You have them taken care of.
>The correct headliner can be bought from Tamaraz's ($80) & probably
>elsewhere.

I'd just as soon have a good upholstry shop do the headliner right. Or
aren't they that hard to install?

My local shop charged me $345 to redo my 442 buckets. That included the
correct cover, new foam on the driver's seat, brand new burlap
underside... They look like they are factory new! I thought $345 was an
exceptional price. Year One wants $279 for just the covers; so for a
mere $65 my shop provided foam and a beautiful installation.

The brakes are a little expensive - especially the hoses
>($35 each).

And he said the brakes were all new, too! Since that line's been cut,
that probably means all needs replaced. Including hoses, I guess. :( On
the bright side, the CV joints/boots were just replaced; the trans was
rebuilt a while back and should be 'real good.'

- -Darren Shroeger
 Teal Blue 68 442 4 spd; Juneau Gray 68 Delmont
 Trumpet Gold 66 Toronado; Black 67 Toronado Deluxe

Nielsen Design Group
114 East Front Street
Traverse City, Michigan 49684
t:616.946.0925
f:616.946.2363
e:ndg@traverse.com

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From: ndg@traverse.com (Nielsen Design Group)
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 11:08:34 -0400
Subject: Golden 66 Toro: trim tag & VIN info

Hello all,

Here's the trim tag info from my 66 Toro:

09E
66-39687 EUC 2358 BODY
054D           GG PNT
XY
57

The body number apppears to be quite low!
Okay, who knows where EUC is?
Anything else we can determine from the trim tag?

VIN 396876M505141

This car has front fenders *without* the sidemarker lights. That makes
it a non-Deluxe, right? Coulda sworn Casteele's book claimed the
reverse... But then again, he also said that Toros came with 8.85 x 14
inch tires. Of course, If I was brushed up on my series # info, I'd know
what a 39687 is.

Another interesting note: This is a non-ac car. Rare?

And oh, yes! AM-FM Wonderbar... Sweeeet! :^)

- -Darren Shroeger
 Teal Blue 68 442 4 spd; Juneau Gray 68 Delmont
 Trumpet Gold 66 Toronado; Black 67 Toronado Deluxe

Nielsen Design Group
114 East Front Street
Traverse City, Michigan 49684
t:616.946.0925
f:616.946.2363
e:ndg@traverse.com

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 15:54:37 -0400
Subject: Collectables

All,

Ran across this site -- http://www.mobilia.com./ -- this morning.
Though it might be of interest to our model collectors.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 14:42:42 -0400
Subject: Re: clock question

I have an 81 olds that has the numbers that "roll"...  is this supposed
to be a digital too?

let me know...

Thanks...

- --joe

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From: Blair Rendell <brendell@pi.pro.ec>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 14:48:43 -0400
Subject: Re: 455? Vista Cruiser

At 10:57 PM 11/23/96 -0400, you wrote:
>> From: Blair Rendell <brendell@ECNET.ec>
>>  Just wondering if ALL 69 VCs came with 455ci? Or were they available
>with 350s?
>> I have found out where the original engine is and the thought
occurred to >me >> that it could be a 350 and not a 455ci...has 350 Chev
now...gotta go... > > >Well, Blair ... > >My info (69 Service manual)
lists 3 possible engines for the 69 Vista >Cruiser: > >Standard: 350

Graham:
I guess i got confused when the only other VC I saw was a 70 with a
455..that one came off the former US Naval base in Argentina
.....RUST.....
 I found out yesterday that the engine was a 350. and is unsalvageable.
the crank is worn beyond..and the cylinders are worn requiring oversize
pistons. So I will have to stick with the CH*vy engine. I will never
find an Olds engine here..I want a 455..but maybe a 403 is available
here..I will keep looking. Thanks for info!  Blair

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 15:08:35 -0400
Subject: Re: WARNING!  NON OLDS!  Was: Nothing what-so-ever

>> And is doubtful Dr. Porsche would recognize it as what he was using
>> in his automobiles or tanks.
>
>And doubtful he would recognize your rational.  Verstehen Sie?

>Michael R. Frederick

Sounds like a bunch of HEVOSEN PASKAA to me, Mike...
- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 15:20:22 -0400
Subject: Re: upsidedown engines? (was Re: Fastest Olds  **non-olds
content**)

>If you look at a 350 Olds engine, you will discover an engine that is
of=
 the
>V type.

I think this is where my confusion was...my Olds has a _V8_???  Wow, all
this time I thought it was an opposed eight!

>The Olds's cylinder bores are offset by 90=BA and are attached to a
>single crankshaft.  There is only one piston in each cylinder, and the
>cylinders are in a pair of inline arrangements.

Even more clarification.  Thank you.

>If you look at a VW/Porsche/etc engine, you will discover an engine
that is >of the V type.  They have cylinder bores that are offset by
180=BA, and are >attached to a single crankshaft.  There is only one
piston in each=
 cylinder,
>and the cylinders are in a pair of inline arrangements.

Yeah, it's flat.  The cylinders are OPPOSITE each other.  It's an
opposed engine.

>Everyone that will not understand this has been brainwashed by an
untruth, >and are predisposed NOT to deal with it. =20

Brainwashing predisposes one not to deal with the real truth?  Pretty
strong statement.  So is calling anyone brainwashed, for that matter.

>rotary (and Mazda never used it), the rotary of Mazda's design...

Mazda used a Wankel rotary.

- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme =20
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 15:11:33 -0400
Subject: Re: upsidedown engines? (was Re: Fastest Olds  **non-olds
content**)

>I would say
>that you, your father in law, your father and brother could use a
refresher >course in: > >        1. Sense, especially on how to make
some

Can you recommend a good correspondence course for this, please?  I
don't have time to attend Sense classes at the local community college,
but I think I could handle a correspondence course.

Excitedly (but not sensibly) waiting for your reply!

- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 16:22:07 -0400
Subject: Notice: List Will Be Down Monday

PLEASE NOTE:

I have been informed that CCN will be out of service on Monday,
December 2nd, from approximately 8:00AM to 2:00PM Eastern Time (Noon
to 6:00 PM for Esko?) due to system maintenance. Any messages sent to
the list during that period will likely bounce, so be advised...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

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From: Steve Ochs <76057.1404@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 16:22:31 -0400
Subject: Aluminum Drums

The Wiz mentioned about the quality from Mother GM.
I will be the first one to admit GM's quality during
the mid 80's left a lot to be desired.  We have improved
greatly, although GM still suffers from parts quality due
to the Lopez purchasing procedur of going with the cheapest
supplier.
     According to the GNTType list, the aluminum drums are
fairly plentiful for the G-bodies.  Supposedly they are about
$25 a pair from the junkyard.  They seem to be popular among
the GN people, so they must work.

                              ---------------------------
Steve Ochs  aka  N8TYS        |                         |
Engineer                      |     ##     ###     ###  |
GM Powertrain -               |   #    #   #  #   #  #  |
Transmission Division         |  #         #   # #   #  |
(4T60/65-E)                   |  #   ####  #    #    #  |
                              |   #    #   #         #  |
'87 Olds 442                  |     ##     #         #  |
'87 Grand National            |                         |
'76 Cutlass 'S'               |  The Mark of Exellence  |
                              ---------------------------

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From: Steve Ochs <76057.1404@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 16:22:37 -0400
Subject: Body mount update

I now have a list of the part numbers for the body
mounts and front frame braces for the '81-'87
Cutlass, Monte Carlo, and Regal.  These numbers came
directly from the GM parts listings.
There are some shared numbers on the upper cushions
but in different locations.  I don't know what the
effect of the different setups is.

Also, I am still trying to find the part number for
the rear seat frame brace.  I cannot find it in any
GM catalogs.  If someone has made this modification
please post the part number to the list.  Someone might
want to add this info to the technical page.

Front frame braces:
Left Hand -  472169
Right Hand - 472170

Mount Cutlass  Regal    Monte   Cutlass  Regal   Monte
 Loc   Upper   Upper    Upper    Lower   Lower   Lower
- -------------------------------------------------------
  2    356561  330986  10005267  457915  457915  457941
  3    330942  348080    330951  377801  377801  377801
  4    348080  348080    330951  457915  457915  457915
  5    556755  None      488610    None    None    None
  6    330951  330942  14032559  377801  377801  377801
  7  25500592 1242754  14032560  377801  377801  377801

Bolts - M10x1.5x80 - grade 10.9 - 12337833

                              ---------------------------
Steve Ochs  aka  N8TYS        |                         |
Engineer                      |     ##     ###     ###  |
GM Powertrain -               |   #    #   #  #   #  #  |
Transmission Division         |  #         #   # #   #  |
(4T60/65-E)                   |  #   ####  #    #    #  |
                              |   #    #   #         #  |
'87 Olds 442                  |     ##     #         #  |
'87 Grand National            |                         |
'76 Cutlass 'S'               |  The Mark of Exellence  |
                              ---------------------------

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 18:22:55 -0400
Subject: How to Feel Inadequate

Want to feel inadequate? Just go visit my buddy Don Hirtle like I did
the other day. Don is 29 and his day job is that of an aircraft
mechanic. However, no grass grows under his feet; he is also one of the
most talented guys I know. The reason for the visit was to see his new
3-car garage that Don and his dad designed and built themselves. It is 2
levels and bigger than some houses. This is in addition to the 2-car job
that is in his new house.  The reason he needs 5 spaces for cars is that
he and his wife (also 29, a sweet gal who has decorated their home
beautifully and works full-time herself) have:

'87 BMW (her daily driver)
'91 Lumina (his)
'68 4-4-2 W-30
'70 Cutlass convertible (1st in class at '95 Olds Nationals)
'55 Pontiac Safari (?) wagon (it's a 4-door so I'm unsure if that's the
right name)
'54 Cadillac Fleetwood

All of these cars are beautiful, with the 4-4-2 being his latest work in
 progress. The Pontiac and Cadillac are two of the nicest and cleanest
restorations I've seen. They are currently for sale so he can buy more
Oldsmobiles. He is seeking a '70 or '71 4-4-2 4-speed in unmolested
condition if he can move one or both of these cars.

The Caddy has factory air with the clear tubes running inside the back
window and has a perfect original interior. Sebring yellow with a white
roof, 4-door, 331 Caddy V-8. He would like to get $20K Canadian or about
 $15K US. The Pontiac is equally nice, pale green and white, a gorgeous
 car, and he is asking $15K Canadian or about $11K US. I have no idea
whether these prices are realistic or not, but they are lovely cars that
 need nothing and are detailed to the max.

If that wasn't bad enough, inside his beautiful new house is his
collection of other stuff. At least 20 antique radios, one from the
1920's, most of them from the 40's and 50's, some cabinet style, some
tabletop, even a few early portables. Every one of them works. Then
there's his '56 Seeburg jukebox, complete with the restaurant booth
remote consoles, that he restored and works like new. Or the Coca-Cola
machine from the 50's that looks just like the day it was built and
works the same. Or the old 40's style Shell gas pump. Or the full-size
pinball machine that I spent an hour playing with. Geez... I've been
working for all these years, and this guy 11 years my junior makes me
look like a pauper. An untalented pauper to boot! More power to him
though. If any of you are ever up this way I'll arrange a visit, and I
can just about guarantee a good time.

Just don't expect to feel very adequate afterwards... :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

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From: Ryan Hehn <RYANH@docker.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 18:32:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Aluminum Drums

Steve Ochs wrote:
>
> The Wiz mentioned about the quality from Mother GM.
> I will be the first one to admit GM's quality during
> the mid 80's left a lot to be desired.  <snip>

Can you rephrase that to '..GM's front wheel drive quality during the
mid 80's left a lot to be desired'??? (just a comment, not to be taken
too seriously!)

My '81 and '86 Supremes have been very good to me.  (at least the '81
was before some low-lifes stole it... wrecked it.. and now I'm in the
process of getting it back on the road.)

I personally think the v/8 RWD GM cars from this era were very
reliable...  I guess that's because they're the remnants of another era.

My humble opinion,

Ryan Hehn
ryanh@docker.com

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 18:39:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Ways to keep vandals off your car (Was scratches...)

At 07:55 AM 11/29/96 -0400, you wrote:


Snip>

>One way to protect your car from vandals is to connect a high voltage
>into it. My father did this when he had enough of the car thieves.
>He used a device that is used to keep the cows inside a fence.
>It is not lethal but it surely hurts. This was 20 years ago.
>
>
>--
>**********************************************
>* Esko Ilola                                 *
>* Email esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi           *
>* X400  G=esko S=ilola O=tele A=mailnet C=fi *
>* Tel.  +358 2040 3439                       *
>* Mail  Ukonkivenpolku 7B5                   *
>*       01610 VANTAA                         *
>*       FINLAND                              *
>**********************************************
>* Oldsmobile Ninety Eight 1964               *
>*            Holiday Sports Sedan (4D HT)    *
>**********************************************
>
>
Another source of hi-voltage is to use a Ford coil to provide the
output, it was enough to fire spark plugs, and gives a pretty good jolt.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 18:54:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Aluminum Drums

At 04:22 PM 11/29/96 -0400, you wrote:
>The Wiz mentioned about the quality from Mother GM.
>I will be the first one to admit GM's quality during
>the mid 80's left a lot to be desired.  We have improved
>greatly, although GM still suffers from parts quality due
>to the Lopez purchasing procedur of going with the cheapest
>supplier.
>     According to the GNTType list, the aluminum drums are
>fairly plentiful for the G-bodies.  Supposedly they are about
>$25 a pair from the junkyard.  They seem to be popular among
>the GN people, so they must work.
>
>                              ---------------------------
>Steve Ochs  aka  N8TYS        |                         |
>Engineer                      |     ##     ###     ###  |
>GM Powertrain -               |   #    #   #  #   #  #  |
>Transmission Division         |  #         #   # #   #  |
>(4T60/65-E)                   |  #   ####  #    #    #  |
>                              |   #    #   #         #  |
>'87 Olds 442                  |     ##     #         #  |
>'87 Grand National            |                         |
>'76 Cutlass 'S'               |  The Mark of Exellence  |
>                              ---------------------------
>
>
>
During the term of his tenure, GM suffered what I always considered
"Roger Smith Syndrome."  He didn't want to build cars, he wanted to be a
telephone company; or computer entity, or something--but certainly not a
car builder?

GM quality was rent totally asunder.

I went early to look at the '97s and was told that I had better look for
a left over '96 as the model I wanted was being discontinued.  Looks
like if you want a real car, you must go to Lincoln or Mercury, unless
they discontinued theirs too.  There were no left over '96s, with LT1
and trailering packages in the area.

So I'm building a 455 for my '87 Caprice.  It has less than 1/3rd the
miles of my rather tired '84 Delta.

Maybe I should put a trailer hitch on my '79 Silver Shadow!

Did ya notice, GM discontinued it's electric car!

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 13:07:04 -0400
Subject: Re: How to Feel Inadequate

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Want to feel inadequate? Just go visit my buddy Don Hirtle like I did
the > other day. Don is 29 and his day job is that of an aircraft
mechanic. > However, no grass grows under his feet; he is also one of
the most > talented guys I know. The reason for the visit was to see his
new 3-car > garage that Don and his dad designed and built themselves.

 If any of
> you are ever up this way I'll arrange a visit, and I can just about
> guarantee a good time.
>
> Just don't expect to feel very adequate afterwards... :)
>
> Greg Beaulieu

Greg,

Hey, I'm willing to move up to inadequate anytime.  What I wouldn't give
to be 29 & rich once again!

Actually, he probably deserves it all.  They sound like hard workers &
fine people.  Tell them we (choke!) aren't envious & wish them cnotinued
good fortune.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama (poor Southerner, but proud)

------------------------------

From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 23:19:39 -0400
Subject: Re: LIFTER PRE-LOAD - long sorry

Well after having my '69 H/O engine/heads rebuilt  even with a good
machinist. I must admit I really don't like the OLDS design in the first
 place.  Biggest grip is NO adjustment!!!! Even those cheapo chevys
have rocker arm adjustment.  I had a retainer to stock rocker clearance
 problem, so I sprung for Mondellos adjusdtable Roller Rockers yeah $4
Bills but they solved the clearance problem,ajustment, and ROLLERs as an
 added bonus.  I never measured it but a freind whos built about thirty
 455s claims I'll pick up 20Hp.  He also claims to have measured them
and the tolerances of the stock rockers leave something to be desired.
I'll have to say I'm a believer no too. If you've sprung $$$$ for NOS
heads spend the bucks for new pushrods and rockers.

On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Fernando Proietto wrote:

> This subject has come up before but we really didn't get to the heart
of > it. Now that the car is stored for the winter, more like it won't
go > outside, I can do what it really needs, head work... > >
BACKGROUND: > > '72 Cutlass w/ the 442 package > 	350/350TH  2.73:1 > >
The engine was rebuilt about 3 years ago and since then I havn't put >
more than 200 km on the car. I'd rather compute it in hours rather than >
mileage. Anyway, close to the end of the rebuild I decided to use a set >
of NOS #5 heads. The valves looked good and with some lapping they held >
gas in the bowl with no leakage. So I cleaned them up and put the heads >
in. Of course I used new lifters, they came with the cam I ordered from >
Mondello a JM-16-18 along with the correct springs. On went the heads >
with the new springs. I used the old pushrods and at first I just >
tightened down everything but then I went back and did one valave at a >
time. > > At first I didn't get the valve chatter but as time went on
I noticed > that the chatter was getting louder and louder. Right now
it sounds like > a tractor and I noticed that cylinder #3, I can move
the pushrod with my > fingers up and down. In all the play is too
excessive for my patience > and now I want to addrees the problem. I
want to do this the cheapest > way I can get away with which means if
chaging the pushrods will cure it > then that's it. But If I have to
redo the heads I guess that's what I > will do. > > I also looked into
getting the Comp. Cam kit 1441 which uses the > adjustable rockers and
guide plates. This kit needs no machining but the > price for the kit
which includes the roller rocker, 5/16 studs, p-rods > and the guide
plates is $500 CND. A little too rich for me right now > especially
since I havn't even redone the heads. However this is an > option fore
me but first I want to go down the list and find out what > exactly the
problem is. > > I bought a deflection guage and I'm now ready to use
it. Last we left it > that the JM-16-18 cam requires longer than stock
push rods but we wern't > sure what length so that's what the deflection
guages is for. > > What I need right now is to go through the correct
procedure for > measuring the length I need. If I have to I will
fabricate an adjustable > pushrod from an old one. So guys tell what to
do.... > > Fernando > >

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From: George Torch <curiousg@crown.icongrp.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 02:50:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Ways to keep vandals off your car (Was scratches...)

> >
> Another source of hi-voltage is to use a Ford coil to provide the
output, it > was enough to fire spark plugs, and gives a pretty good
jolt. > > The Wiz

My favorites are razor blades lining the undernearth of my dash around
the stereo and a fake bomb set on the trans hump and one under the hood
(which I'm sure is illegal).

As for the electric devices I read about a setup that you could buy that
 hooked up to the drivers seat and if the car was stolen it would keep
seding electrical shocks to the seat.

Unfortunately in this country any type of booby trapping is illegal and
the car thief can turn around and sue you.  Only in America.

George Torch

 62 Dynamic 88
 66 Corvair Monza
 90 Geo Storm

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From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 00:25:32 -0400
Subject: Resto  Tips  .....

Hey!  You know those "cheezy" drink holders that hang from your car
window sill / "arm rest"...

These come in handy holding other things too!  Lets say, you are workin'
on your car (hard to imagine), when you hang this holder from the
outside, it can hold paint cans (spray paint), WD-40 (or any
equivalants), etc.


This has come in handy for me a few times!

Remember, send in your tips...  I will post them, and you can WIN
PRIZES!!!

This resto corner thing is not a "company" that puts tips out, but just
a 22 year old college student that is a bad typer, sharing things that
he found to be helpful in the maintaining and restoration of his cars.
No matter how "dumb, simple, off-the-wall, corney,etc..." your idea
might be, send it in.

There is always someone new on this list, and / or someone starting
their first restoration, maintance, emergency, etc.    Your tip will
help them, and remember...  you were in their shoes once too...


Areas that may give you an idea of a resto tip can include:

Electrical, mechanical, body, painting, repair (of all sorts), tools,
techniques, interiors, detailing, judging "pointers" for car shows, etc.

I hope to hear from many of you, and Happy Oldsmobiling!

(p.s.  tips don't have to be oldsmobile specific)


Resto Corner

- -joe ferrer
           o    (okay, so the "O" fell off, i'll fix it in my next resto
tip!)

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 01:44:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Ways to keep vandals off your car (Was scratches...)

At 02:50 AM 11/30/96 -0400, you wrote:
>> >
>> Another source of hi-voltage is to use a Ford coil to provide the
output, it >> was enough to fire spark plugs, and gives a pretty good
jolt. >> >> The Wiz > >My favorites are razor blades lining the
undernearth of my dash around >the stereo and a fake bomb set on the
trans hump and one under the hood >(which I'm sure is illegal). > >As
for the electric devices I read about a setup that you could buy that
>hooked up to the drivers seat and if the car was stolen it would keep
>seding electrical shocks to the seat. > >Unfortunately in this country
any type of booby trapping is illegal and >the car thief can turn
around and sue you.  Only in America. > >George Torch > > 62 Dynamic 88 >
66 Corvair Monza > 90 Geo Storm > Just car thieve's note:

Apparently in Missouri it is no longer illegal to steal cars.  If the
thief is caught, he is charged with 'using a motor vehicle without the
owners permission' a misdemeanor, a slap on the wrist, and out right
away to steal another.

The Wiz

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From: Katana72@aol.com
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 1996 06:50:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Ways to keep vandals off your car (Was scratches...)

In a message dated 96-11-29 23:14:22 EST, you write:

<< My favorites are razor blades lining the undernearth of my dash
around
 the stereo and a fake bomb set on the trans hump and one under the hood

 (which I'm sure is illegal).

 As for the electric devices I read about a setup that you could buy
that
 hooked up to the drivers seat and if the car was stolen it would keep
 seding electrical shocks to the seat.

 Unfortunately in this country any type of booby trapping is illegal and

 the car thief can turn around and sue you.  Only in America.

 George Torch
  >>
That's what's neat about the good ol' USA. We as a people have the power
to change things. I'm sure that if we approach the right people, we can
pull it together against these car thieves. Personally, I believe that
we should go back to the ways in the pre- 70's. A shotgun is a mighty
effective deterrent against crime.

Katana72

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