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oldsmobile-digest        Sunday, 22 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 308


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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 13:10:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Die Cast Models JL 

I have told all you people about the Custom and Muscle cars series cars.
Series 1-6 on the custom Toros already have been released.  The cars you are
picking up at Toys R Us are cars that were lost in the warehouses and not 
put on the shelfs
I will list the Toros for you all 
number       color  
1.oyster      white                        Toy Fair  off purple
2. garnet     red                            FX show toro  white and purple
3.               black                         White Lightning    white
4.               copper                        Holiday Toro White pearl
5.               purple
6. dark        red    

so yes there are 10 different Toros, the most expensive is the Holiday since 
they only made 50.  It is bringing a price of 175.00

In the Muscle car series there are 11 colors of the 69 442, also 1 box set,
toy fair car and FAO Schwarz. so a total of 14 colors.  The Toy Fair in this
case is the most expensive at 150.00 ea for them

W Machines                

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From: yaron <awol5690@netvision.net.il>
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 23:32:18 -0300
Subject: cutlass ciera 1988

I would like to buy an Olsmobile Catlass Ciera, model 1988 .

Please let me know :
 1. Is it a recomended model ?
 2. Where can i find a picture of this model in the WWW ?
 3.   "    "  "   "  information about this model in the WWW ?

Thanks in advance .

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 09:11:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Ball joint seals

> 
> All,
> 
> Well, I still haven't located these parts yet (upper and lower ball joint 
seals for 67
> Toronado). 
> 
> If anyone has any other ideas about these seals, I REALLY would appreciate 
the help!
> 
> Sparky
> 
>Sparky,

I was told by my brother-in-law the same thing that you were told; the 
sources of those things are jealously guarded.  He, of course, always 
just puts on new joints or just forgets it.  It is on the customer, so 
who cares?

The old cars parts place in town told me to check w/Dennis Carpenter who 
happens to reproduce Ford parts. 

	Dennis carpenter Reproductions
	P.O. Box 26395
	Charlotte, NC  28221-6398
	PH 704-786-8139
	PH 800-476-9653 (orders)
	PH 704-786-8180 (Fax)

Also, I was told to check w/Funks.  I ahve no number or anything else.  
Jerry said to use directory assistance for 1-800 numbers to locate them. 
 He had mentioned possibly California.

Let me know how it works out.  BTW: Where did you get the tie rod seals?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 16:50:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Ball joint seals

Lloyd Culp wrote:

> 
> I was told by my brother-in-law the same thing that you were told; the
> sources of those things are jealously guarded. 

Bill,

Well, at least the story was confrimed.  I thought I was going off my nut 
thinking it 
was a conspiracy against me or something. The public is getting the shaft here 
once 
again!

> The old cars parts place in town told me to check w/Dennis Carpenter who
> happens to reproduce Ford parts.
> 
>         Dennis carpenter Reproductions
>         P.O. Box 26395
>         Charlotte, NC  28221-6398
>         PH 704-786-8139
>         PH 800-476-9653 (orders)
>         PH 704-786-8180 (Fax)

I will check him out.
 
> Also, I was told to check w/Funks.  I ahve no number or anything else.
> Jerry said to use directory assistance for 1-800 numbers to locate them.
>  He had mentioned possibly California.

Funks...never heard of them....what sort of outfit are they? I will use Lycos 
800 search 
and track them down!
 
> Let me know how it works out.  BTW: Where did you get the tie rod seals?

I ferrited them out from one of those little "hard to find parts company's" in 
Massachusettes. They only had 2 (NOS) left. Thats it! None left after I have 
those two 
in my hot claws.......at least from them anyway!

Thanks for the sleuth work! I will keep everyone informed as the saga 
continues!

Sparky
- -- 
Greg Kalkhoff                                      Driven Images
4217 W. Fond du Lac Ave.                http://cpeq.com/~edison3/dihome.html
Milwaukee, WI.  53216	
414-447-7500

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:10:50 -0300
Subject: Re: New Member Intro

buehner wrote:

>      Umm, you missed one (I think.)  I'll give you a hint, it's front 
> wheel drive!!!  :)

Atta boy, Charley!

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:24:41 -0300
Subject: TV ALert!!

Saturday night at 10PM Eastern, The Learning Channel is presenting a 
program called ""Chrome Dreams". Promo looks like it's about 50's and 
60's cars. Might be worth a look...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: sbento@mecn.mass.edu
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 18:29:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Converting to a Dual Gate

One thing to factor in when considering installing thta dual gate is you 
are going to have to replace your steering column, otherwise it would be 
pretty obvious that the car was originally a column shift. :)

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0



On Sat, 21 Sep 1996, Brad Bowles wrote:

> In my '70 Olds 442 W-30, I have the TH400 auto trans with the column 
> shifter.  This is inconvienent for racing, so what would it take to 
> install a Hurst Dual Gate?
> Also, if I install (or have installed) a Hurst Dual Gate, is there any 
> way by the numbers to tell that it used to have a column shifter?
> Thanks
> Brad
> 
> 

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From: sbento@mecn.mass.edu
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 19:00:32 -0300
Subject: Re: new member introduction

On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Robert J. Barry wrote:

> At 11:33 PM 9/19/96 -0400, you wrote:
> >>Anyone else in the New England area interested???
> >
> >I'm up in Beverly, Ma., so what why not.
> 
> Boston would probably be a centrally-located spot for everybody, and is only
> 45-60 min. from Providence anyway.
> 
> My wife has some shindig to go to up in Boston on a Saturday in the next few
> weeks (not sure of the exact date); perhaps we could all meet at Berjerick
> (spelling *completely* off there!) Oldsmobile out in Newton Highlands
> (Needham Street, exit 18 off Rt.128, I believe) late that morning at their
> resto shop, and then get a bite at the "Big Grinder" sit-down place just
> down the street (their sandwiches are utterly HUGE!).
> 
> I'll see when my S.O. is going to want to go up there, and perhaps call
> B..... Olds to make sure that they'll be open that day.
> 
> Sound good to anybody?
> 
> Another option is to meet af Fusick's, though that is really about 4 miles
> east of the middle of nowhere. There is a Dunkin' Donuts right there,
> though, to meet at, where we can all order "regular" coffees and get them
> the right way (with cream and sugar, of course).
> 
> BTW, are there any New England-based Olds clubs or shows? All I know about
> are the ones at the Museum of Transportation in Brookline (usually good
> quality shows, though).
> 
> -----------
> - Bob Barry
> - 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
> - 1978 Electra Limited Landau Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)
> 
> 
Sounds good to me, I live in Peabody (about 25 minutes north of 
Boston) Unfortunatly I can't take my Olds :(  (I'am in the process of 
installing 3" exhaust from the headers all the way back to the bumper). 

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0

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From: pete <redeye@bc.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 19:05:10 -0300
Subject: olds e-mail

- -- 
                    

               ~\\ ! //~
                +(o o)+ 
 *--pete--.o00o.--( )--.o00o.--pete--*

 ******     Pete Berisoff      *******
 *      Penticton, B.C. Canada,      *
 (<:)       1(604)492-6349       (>:o)
 *******    pete@awinc.com     *******
 *******     pete@img.net      *******

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 19:13:06 -0300
Subject: Re: new member introduction 

>Sounds good to me, I live in Peabody (about 25 minutes north of 
>Boston) Unfortunatly I can't take my Olds :(  (I'am in the process of 
>installing 3" exhaust from the headers all the way back to the bumper). 

Steve,

Since your in Peabody and I'm in Beverly (Wenham), wanna ride shotgun?
My phone number is 524 - 3169.

Roger Borlase
'72 cutlass cruiser

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From: Twente8@aol.com
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 19:55:42 -0300
Subject: Re: The 97 OCA meet in Lansing 

The 1997 Oldsmobile meet in Lansing is set for August 21 thru the 25 (give or
take a 
couple of days either way)  This should give you an idea of when to plan your
trips.  Be advised that Oldsmobile is strongly recommending that you make
your hotel reservations NOW.  Many clubs have booked rooms in certain hotels.
 I don't have the number of the Olds Housing Bureau on me, but if you need it
 I can get it for you.  All reservations go thru them first.

Hope this helps!

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From: rebelxs@cadvision.com
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:22:08 -0300
Subject: Re: The 97 OCA meet in Lansing 

>The 1997 Oldsmobile meet in Lansing is set for August 21 thru the 25 (give or
>take a 
>couple of days either way)  This should give you an idea of when to plan your
>trips.  Be advised that Oldsmobile is strongly recommending that you make
>your hotel reservations NOW.  Many clubs have booked rooms in certain hotels.
> I don't have the number of the Olds Housing Bureau on me, but if you need it
> I can get it for you.  All reservations go thru them first.
>
>Hope this helps!
>
>
>Hi my name is Bruce....yes Mr procrastination...please send me the list..
           Thanks.....

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From: rebelxs@cadvision.com
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 20:42:28 -0300
Subject: Re: The 97 OCA meet in Lansing 

>>The 1997 Oldsmobile meet in Lansing is set for August 21 thru the 25 (give or
>>take a 
>>couple of days either way)  This should give you an idea of when to plan your
>>trips.  Be advised that Oldsmobile is strongly recommending that you make
>>your hotel reservations NOW.  Many clubs have booked rooms in certain hotels.
>> I don't have the number of the Olds Housing Bureau on me, but if you need it
>> I can get it for you.  All reservations go thru them first.
>>
>>Hope this helps!
>>
>>
>
>Hi my name is Bruce....yes Mr procrastination...please send me the list..
>           Thanks.....
>
>
>
>

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From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 23:10:52 -0300
Subject: Re: cutlass ciera 1988

> From: yaron <awol5690@netvision.net.il>

> I would like to buy an Olsmobile Catlass Ciera, model 1988 .
> Please let me know :
>  1. Is it a recomended model ?
>  2. Where can i find a picture of this model in the WWW ?
>  3.   "    "  "   "  information about this model in the WWW ?
> Thanks in advance .

My parents had one of those until earlier this year (actually the 1987
model).  It ran very nicely the whole time.  No major mechanical problems,
no big repairs.  Other than regular maintenance, all I remember them doing
was replacing the CV boots (Canada=salt=wrecked rubber) and I think the
power steering gear needed some repair at some point.
So they had this car that served them well for almost ten years and what
did they do this summer?.... went and bought a Ford (Windstar)!  Don't ask
me ... 

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 23:25:05 -0300
Subject: Re: barns, fields for cars

> In Ohio they are strating to crack down on people that buy newer cars for
> $1. Alot of this goes on in the used car/salvage business. Case in point.
> Two years ago my uncle got an 88 Vette out of our yard with minimal front
> end damage. The sale price on the title was $1. Ohio wants that tax money
> and you have to justify a cars value if it is too low to them. Big time
> fines if you are caught.

Up here in Ontario, the government has declared that all used car sales are
taxed on the Red Book values (book detailing general market values for
years and makes of cars), no matter what you paid for it.  So if I buy a
really beat up 85 Cutlass from a guy for $500.00, I pay tax not on the
$500, but on $2000, or whatever the Red Book says.  You can contest it by
having the car independently appraised, but this costs over $100 anyway. 
You are also required to pay $20 for a "Used Vehicle Information Kit" which
lists previous owners, before any change of title will be allowed.  It was
quite amazing that they managed to pass a law requiring people to pay tax
on money they haven't spent, but of course most people up here have been
asleep for the past couple of hundred years ... 
Fortunately, this doesn't apply to vehicles older than 20 years since those
values are difficult to assign ... 

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 23:32:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Those numbers...

> From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
> 
> >Just got a '70 442 W-30.
> >While I'm still not totally convinced that it is a W-30 (or 442) ... 

> >Also, on what side is the numbers for the auto trans.  I found some on a
> >little plate on the passanger side, but there wern't enough.  FYI they
> >are 70-OG   5856.

Brad:
In 1970, OG was used on 455 cid. Cutlass and 442 SX models, exc. with the
Ram Air option
442s with Ram Air option had the OW coded trans.

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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From: pete <redeye@bc.sympatico.ca>
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 23:48:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Those numbers...

At 11:32 PM 9/21/96 -0300, you wrote:
>> From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
>> 
>> >Just got a '70 442 W-30.
>> >While I'm still not totally convinced that it is a W-30 (or 442) ... 
>
>> >Also, on what side is the numbers for the auto trans.  I found some on a
>> >little plate on the passanger side, but there wern't enough.  FYI they
>> >are 70-OG   5856.
>
>Brad:
>In 1970, OG was used on 455 cid. Cutlass and 442 SX models, exc. with the
>Ram Air option
>442s with Ram Air option had the OW coded trans.
>
>Graham Stewart
>Toronto, Canada
>graham.stewart@utoronto.ca
>
>Hi, I am new at this one and own a 70 Cutlass S. Poor thing is at the
doctors right now for body restoration..lots of rust! Almost need a new
drivers door. Does anyone know of a source for such an item. It is a Coupe
type and unfortunatly not a Hard Top. Having terrible time finding one in
B.C Canada. Any help would be appreciated.

Pete
 
                    

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                +(o o)+ 
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 ******     Pete Berisoff      *******
 *      Penticton, B.C. Canada,      *
 (<:)       1(604)492-6349       (>:o)
 *******    pete@awinc.com     *******
 *******     pete@img.net      *******

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From: Howard H <howardh@sundial.sundial.net>
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 23:59:39 -0300
Subject: Antennas (again) 

Dana & Mary Taylor wrote: You do have to remove the 
screws from the shield> I also removed the two bolts on the bottom of the 
fender and the other that you see when you open the door. This allows 
just enough room to get your hand in(still tight though) good luck!

Tom Lentz wrote: Welcome to the world of broken G-body power antennas!  It's
a very common problem. I have the parts to fix mine, I just haven't got a
round 'tuit yet.... you remove the ring from around the top of the
antenna,remove the philips screw from the door jamb and remove the bottom
few bolts around the fender.  The bottom of the fender can then be pulled
out a bit and propped open with a 2x4 to allow the antenna to fall out.
Then take the antenna apart and...

Bill Gochenour wrote: The local dealer said they take of ALL the bolts........
Now my 83 H/O antenna is stuck in the up position, guess what, it can stay
that way. 


Well guys, thanks for all the tips. It seems most agree with the diagnosis
and also how to go about the repair. The only thing I haven't tried is
loosening the 
fender along with the the inner shield.
Seems like all us Oldsafiends think alike. Like Tom I already have the part
to fix mine. I've tried the repair, except as indicated above, and had no
success.
YET!! I also had the same thoughts as Bill. Like his, mine is stuck in the
up position, and I guess it could stay that way. Why not, it's been that way
for just over a year. And like someone else mentioned, its supposed to be up
when the radio is on and no one ever noticed or mentioned it to him. YEAH!
Yeah, but I know it doesn't belong up all the time. I'll be out in the garage ,
wish me luck.

Howard Hosenbold
Orlando, Fl.
'84 Hurst Olds   

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From: Howard H <howardh@sundial.sundial.net>
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 00:20:02 -0300
Subject: Antennas, antennas everywhere 

Scott Mullen wrote:
After reading all of these '80's Oldsmobile power antenna horror stories, I 
begin to wonder why GM gave up on the windshield antenna.  My  '70 442 
windshield antenna gives good reception and I never have to worry about 
getting it up.

Well Scott, some guys are just luckier than others. But remember, mine gives
good reception too and is always up...:)

Howard Hosenbold
Orlando, Fl.
'84 Hurst Olds

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From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 06:03:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Decoding VIN's

Hey There!

Get the package yet there pal?

Sparky


Greg Kalkhoff                                      Driven Images
4217 W. Fond du Lac Ave.                http://cpeq.com/~edison3/dihome.html
Milwaukee, WI.  53216	
414-447-7500

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From: David Friem <daf119@I1.net>
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 1996 12:40:29 -0300
Subject: 69 Olds 442

Hello all! I recently aquired a 1969 Olds 442. My father had it stored 
for 20 years. he bought it new in 68 And it even has the original sticker 
and protecto-plate. The car has no flaws exept`for a few small scratches.
I what to get a few parts that need replaced (Window Trim), Seals etc. 
But I want to ensure the fact that I am putting on stock originals so 
that the car will be 100% stock. Is there any kind of book on this topic 
and are there places to get good parts. I am new at this so any info will 
be very helpful.
My email is DAF119@i1.net

Thanks in advance to all who respond.

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From: Jim Fleeson <o455@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 14:14:36 -0300
Subject: 455 In 82 Cutlass

The 455 In 1982 Cutlass Supreme Short Story. Goes Like This

The Engine Came From A 1971 Olds Delta 88..
The Same Goes For The Transmission..
Same For The Radiator..

Removed A 3.? (can't remember) V-6 From 1982 Olds Cutlass Supreme..
(engine was on it's last pass)..

Installed 455 Using The 1971 Delta 88 Motor Mounts (replaced with new 
ones)..
Installed 400 Transmission  From '71 Delta 88 (slight mod. to 
transmission
cross-member)..
Installed Original Drive Shaft From 1982 Cutlass(had to be cut and 
shortened)

Left Original Rear-End And Gears In The Cutlass(highway cruiser geared)..

No Body Modifications Were Made..
No Frame Modifications Were Made..
No Fiew-Wall Modifications Were Made..

Any Specific Info Needed On The Swap ?
Let Me Know..

Car Being Race Readyed At The Time (COMPLETLEY STRIPPED)

Jim<o455@ix.netcom.com>
Columbiana.Ohioooooooo

1969 Cutlass S
1982 Cutlass Supreme (455)
Other NON Real Cars..
GOOD DAY..

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 13:06:00 -0300
Subject: Olds show Sunday

In Vallejo, in northern CA, there is an Olds car show at Avery Greene 
motors.  They will have Oldsmobiles from all years, and I have heard 
that it has a pretty good turn out. I think it starts a 10 and goes 
until the evening.  Avery Greene Motors is and Olds car dealer and is 
located near Marine World.
I can't attend, so anyone who does, let me know what it is like!
Thanks!!!
Brad

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 15:21:19 -0300
Subject: Re: 73 Cutlass 350 header problems 

 The passenger side is a problem though, the oil filter is in the way, and 
 even with that removed, there is still not enough room between the engine 
 and the frame to get the header into position.
 
          Have you removed the oil filter adapter?  This is the 
          aluminum cast part which bolts to the block and to which the 
          oil filter attaches.  Last time I put headers in an Olds, I 
          recall having to remove this.  It's held on with three bolts 
          and has a steel core rubber gasket, so if you are careful 
          you should be able to reuse the gasket (good luck finding 
          one otherwise!).
          
          Failing that, you will likely have to lift the engine on 
          that side.
 
 Take it to someone who knows what they're doing?
          
          When you find someone who even knows how to spell "Olds", 
          let us know :)
          
          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
          
          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

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