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oldsmobile-digest         Sunday, 27 October 1996      Volume 01 :
Number 344


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From: vdorey@maind.dnet.dupont.com
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 01:58:22 -0300
Subject: New member and, of course, a question...

	Hello folks, just joined the list, primarily to pick someones brain
regarding our 89' Olds Cutlass Supreme.
	It's my wife's car.  I have the Monte SS (also a member on the Monte-
list); but, I do all my own maintenance i.e, brakes, exhaust, engine
rebuilds. This problem has me duped and maybe someone has encountered
it; if you have could you share answer. 8) 	 	#1  Odometer 
readout-Will
periodically flash, read "ERROR", begin 			     counting 
from a random
number, trip meter is the 			     same.

	#2  Gas Guage-does not work now, sometimes will indicate if full,
		      weather is cold, or you hit a bump.

	Dash is digital.

							Thanks,

							Victor

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From: "JOSEPH_W. BARKER" <BARKERJO@mailserv1.ferris.edu>
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 03:00:24 -0300
Subject: Re: id for motor

BILL,

Check the side of the block by looking up from under the car.  The
c.i.d. or liters should be cast into the block.  They should be in
the middle section of the block under the exhaust manifolds.

Olds fan forever,

Joe Barker
barkerjo@mailserv1.ferris.edu

84 Cutlass Calais Supreme RWD

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From: Syntac@aol.com
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 03:38:24 -0300
Subject: Re: 442

           DON'T clear coat over pinstripes unless they are painted
ones. Vinyl stripes will crack if you clearcoat on top of them.

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 03:59:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Some GM history (was: Flames are high tonight!!!)

>> > Wasn't Olds the very first one in GM?  Didn't Olds have the very
first V8? >> >> Are you sure about this one, Charley?  I seem to recall
readin' that it's...

     Well, I just seemed to recall hearing, but keep in mind what I said
about my memory.  (They say that's the first to go, now what were we
talking about :)

>General Motors was founded in New York on September 16, 1908, and
mainly >consisted of Buick Motor Company (which had been purchased and
reorganized >by Durant-Dort in 1904).  Then, Durant acquired Oldsmobile.
The following >year, after several failed attempts, a deal with Cadillac
was made

I guess that sounds like more than a "seem to recall" which was the best
I had, also, so it sounds good to me.  Either way, it sure wasn't chevy.
About the Saturn/Geo part, I was merely referring to age in the
corporation, no comments about quality. (I'll leave all those for chevy)
Chevy was the last one in before they tried out the new import-styled
ones...  (I seem to recall :))

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 08:56:14 -0300
Subject: Replies To Digest, etc.

Folks,

May have a little more light to shed on the mystery of how some replies
are being sent to the digest address instead of to the list itself.
Thanks to Drew Senko and others for providing me with more info on this.


It seems that some mail programs offer a "Reply to all" option which
would not only send a reply to the "Reply-to" address but also to any
other address in the header. This might explain what is happening. You
don't need to use "Reply to all" to get the message to go to the list,
remember; sending it to "oldsmobile" will do the job.

Also a tip for those who might want to reply privately to the author of
a message sent to the list but don't want to go to the trouble of saving
the message in a file or whatever to include quoted text; most mail
programs have either a "forward" or "send again" option that will let
you do just that. All you then need to do is enter the persons email
address in the "To:" line. You can use this as an easy way to send a
response to a single person, not the entire list membership.

Basic stuff, but we all were new here once too.  :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 13:35:23 -0300
Subject: 66 Toronado For Sale

All,

Got this in this morning after I had asked Phil for some more details.
If anyone's interested, his email address and telephone numners are
listed at the bottom.

The 66 Toro and Mike


Philip J. Wyatt wrote:

> It's a white California (Santa Barbara) car (opposite end of the
> country, I fear, but our weather here keeps things like this well
> protected. It never rains in Southern California!)

> I must tell you, that  my current concern is to get this car into the
> hands of a true Toro buff, because I never have been and have a
variety > of old cars to tinker with. I have just started looking over
the Web > for potential buyers and have found a guy who really wants a
white > Toro. He has threatened to send a friend out to see it, but
I've been > out of the country for quite some time, so we haven't met
up yet. In > the meantime, recently I've spent $1100 getting a new
floor mat, new > door seals, a lens for one of the rear courtesy
lights, a small tear > repaired in rear seat center panel (entire
section replaced), and > detailing. I believe that the car is a DeLuxe,
but it has no Power > Windows. ( The first owner [I'm the second]
didn't like those dang > things! I have the original service book with
all of the coupons, and > the owner's manual.) It seems to have
everything else except no power > bench seat or AM-FM wunderbar radio.
It does have climate control > (thermostat is in need of adjustment),
tilt/telescope steering wheel > and all other power features. The
regular radio doesn't function and I > haven't had the time  to even
look for a fuse. The air conditioning > need recharging but until the
thermostat is fixed on the climate > control, I have postponed this
activity. If I stop the car too > suddenly, it has a tendency to stall
out. The carburetor has never had > any work done on it and after
35,000 miles, is probably due for some > maintenance. The original
trunk liner is complete and clean, but it > needs to be reattached
(glued) and the next owner can do it properly. > I've just let it lie.
Usual maintenance has been done, transmission, > brakes, rear wheel
bearings, etc. > > The car seems to be a 2++ with perfect body and
(original) interior. > One flaring of the front bumper has two small
dents about one inch in > diameter, but all the chrome is otherwise
perfect. The rear bumper > shows slight thinning in the chroming.
Carpet is like the day it came > off assembly line. Some work was done
a few years ago on the rear water > drains (there was some rusting) but
all is now O'K. I can get a set of > detailed pictures out to you if
you give me an address and I can find > the negatives! > > In any
event, I feel a very fair price (a bargain?) is $6500. Let me > know if
you're interested or have a friend who is and I'll get some > pictures
to you.  In the meantime, I'll keep you informed of my > progress at
selling it. > > Phil Wyatt -- pwyatt@wyatt.com > 805 963 5904 Office >
805 899 4221 Home > 805 965 4898 FAX


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 15:03:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Contact List Again

Clay - I went in to the contact list & in 'correcting' the way the info
read, my computerized other half said I probably was added 3 times - if
so many apologies & I want the last entry to be used (!!)  I am not the
most computer literate person.

Thanks !
Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@direct.ca>
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 18:09:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Transmission Ratios

At 04:14 PM 10/24/96 -0300, Jason K. Adcock wrote:
>Tom, I saw your post with all the tranny gear ratios, but do you (or
>anybody) have the ratios for the 3sp 200?  It is in my 1984 Cutlass and
I'm >thinking whether to get a 200-4R (ratios ?) or a 700.  Thanks for
any info.


Here is a list of Transmission Gear Ratios that I have compiled.  Hope
this helps.


	Transmission Gear Rations			
	automatics and four-speeds			
				
Transmission                    First   Second  Third   Fourth
				
GM - 2 spd Powerglide           1.76    1.00    N/A     N/A
GM - 3 spd Turbo 350            2.52    1.52    1.00    N/A
GM - 3 spd Turbo 400            2.48    1.48    1.00    N/A
GM - 3 spd 200-4R               2.74    1.57    1.00    0.67
GM - 4 spd TH700-R4             3.06    1.62    1.00    0.70
Ford C4,C6                      2.46    1.46    1.00    N/A
Mopar - 3 spd Torqueflite       2.45    1.45    1.00    N/A
GM - 4 spd manual Muncie, wide  2.52    1.88    1.47    1.00
GM - 4 spd manual Muncie, close 2.20    1.64    1.28    1.00
Mopar - 4 spd manual A833       2.47    1.77    1.34    1.00


Nick DiGiovanni
1970 4-4-2
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
ndigiova@Direct.CA
				

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 17:55:00 -0300
Subject: Johnny Lightning '69 442

A while back W MACHINES (Mark Prince) wrote he was really into
collecting the different Johnny Lightning die cast cars.  I had gotten
a couple of the '69 442s about a year ago, and since have acquired
quite a few more of the JL Oldsmobiles.  I am trying to get all 11
series of the '69 442 and only need 5 more to complete the set.  I
currently need series 1,2,3,7, & 8 to get the complete set.  I have a
few extra of several of the different JL cars, and would be willing to
trade.  I have checked out nearly every hobby shop in the area, as well
as Toys R Us, Service Merchandise, Target, Walmart, and anyone else
that might carry them.  Does anyone else know where I might be able to
get the remaining series I need?  I would truly appreciate any help.

Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

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From: Matt Breitbach <mbreitba@iastate.edu>
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 19:39:55 -0300
Subject: engine stuff

        my uncle has a '69 442, and i was wondering where the plate is
that has the engine codes, rearend codes, tranny codes, ect. on it.  if
anyone can help me out, it would be greatly appreciated.

thanks

matt breitbach

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:26:25 -0300
Subject: Re: The Painful Truth...(long)

In a message dated 96-10-22 00:00:05 EDT, you write:

<< Unfortunately, it (along with twin Buick Century) is probably a major

      moneymaker for GM, as the development effort and tooling must have

      been amortized over a decade ago!  Unfortunately, this is also the

      impression most frequent flyers (whose demographics likely match
those
      of Olds' target customers) have of GM and Oldsmobile.

      I contrast this experience with that of the Ford T-Bird which I
also
      rented for an extended period.  Despite the fact that the Bird was
a
      run-of-the-mill LX version, it was a blast to drive.  Even the
      luxo-level suspension handled well, the interior was comfortable
and
      well laid out, and the SOHC 4.6 liter modular V-8, while not up to

      W-30 standards, was a kick to drive.  Thus my preference for
Hertz. >>

Unfortunately, your post has alot of truth in it.  I was in sales when
Iived in Ohio 2 years ago, and I had the choice of a few cars in the
three years I was out there.  One choice was a Ford Taurus, which I
didn't pick since I HATE those cheesy knobs they have for the heat
controls, etc. (I know, all car makers are changing to them, but they
are still ugly).  The first car I had was a 1989 (I think) Cutlass
Supreme.  Not a bad car at all, liked it quite a bit, not real "sporty",
but a good all around driver nonetheless.
 When I re-ordered, I got a Buick Regal (1991), and I was happy with
that.  I ordered it (was looking for a Lumina Euro, but they didn't give
us any upgrades for all the "goodies") and was pretty happy with it, a
little bit better of a "sport" ride, but still not quite tops in what I
had out there.
 Last I ordered a 1994 Lumina Euro (gave the upgraded package for
incentive, of course), and I was extremely pleased with it.  Sport ride,
fairly quick (for that type/style of car), and comfortable.  It was a
kick to drive, was even able to get the rear to slide in corners while
the front stayed put, and it handled good too.

Moral to this post is this.....

Compared to the other two cars I had, the Olds. was rather plain, sorta
boring, no style, etc.  It had basically the same motor as the other two
(6 cyl.), but lacked any heart.  The Regal was a better all around ride
(and somewhat nicer in finish product, etc.), but the Lumina was tops
here.  The nice exhaust note of the Lumina (slight rumble, and somewhat
of a deep note) and it's handling were much better.  A good car is fine,
but to get the appeal of the customer, there must be some type of
character to the car, not just a plain looking lump of plastic and
metal.

(Putting Soap Box Away)
Chris.

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:26:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Visionary 442 sketches

In a message dated 96-10-21 20:43:19 EDT, you write:

<< Unfortunatly I am scanner-less.  If someone who would like to scan in
these
 images and send them to Bryce or this list would give me their
snail-mail
 address, along with max drawing size, I'll send the sketches to him or
her
 after I clean them up a bit.
  >>
I would be willing to do it, have access to a nice color flatbed scanner
(8.5x14 in. size max I think).  Let me know if you would like me to do
this, and I'll send you my address.  BTW, I'm located in Rockton, Il.,
just west of Chicago by about 80 miles or so.

Thanks, Chris.

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:26:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Build Grand National

In a message dated 96-10-18 18:51:15 EDT, you write:

<< The GNX's are like the Mustang Cobra's basically hopped up versions
of
 the standard GN and 5.0 models. the best part is you can make your GN
 or 5.0 perform better than the GNX's and Cobra's without investing a
 whole ton of dough(as long as you do the work yourself).

 I think a stock GN and a 68 442 would be a pretty even match on street
 tires with stock exhaust. However every GN I have seen at the track
with
 sticky tires has run in the 13's and a whole bunch of them are in the
 12's.

 Steve
 71 Cutlass S 455
 93 Mustang LX 5.0

  >>
Yes, they were somewhat hopped up versions (for Buick) of the Regal (had
similar engine, including some with intercooled turbo, V-6's).

As for how fast they were, the Grand Natls. had a V-6 intercooled turbo
in them, and as I remeber were every bit of a match for the Corvettes
that came out in the same years.  I thought stock 1/4's were in the mid
13 range, if my memory serves me well.

Chris.

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From: "Karl Davlin" <ne1469@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 26 Oct 1996 23:32:59 -0300
Subject: subscribe



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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 00:31:53 -0300
Subject: Ertle 1/18th H/O and 442

Here it is October 26th and I bought the Ertle 69 H/O and 442 W-30.
They are beautiful, and pretty correct in detail.  Both cars have
different wheels and different type exhaust systems.  I bought them at
Toys R US tonight for the cost of 20.00 each.  So everybody get to your
stores ASAP.  These cars make me melt, It is about time a major company
 realize about Oldsmobile bad boy cars.  Now if I can just get them to
do a 72 W-30 or even a 79H/O.

W MACHINES

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From: jc <jc@legend.txdirect.net>
Date: Sun, 27 Oct 1996 03:26:56 -0400
Subject: Newbie

I just wanted to introduce myself. I am new to the whole-cyberworld and
therefore this mailgroup.  I have a '72 Hurst/Olds with sunroof.  The
original engine is on the garage floor while I drive around with a '72
delta 88 swap.  Couple of questions--does anyone else have a '72? And
what can I do about my gearing/rear end?  When I hit 60mph on the
highway the engine is already doing 3600rpm--not a good thing for a 25
year old engine.  Any suggestions?  I would love to hear from anyone who
 has dealt with this kind of thing before.

Thanx
Jeff C.
jc@kmol.com

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