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oldsmobile-digest        Tuesday, 24 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 310


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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 16:30:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Still making W-41's?

On 23 Sep 96 at 14:22, Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:
> Are W-41's still made?  I was at my friend's house last night and
> saw a very sporty looking teal green Olds (Cierra, Achieva -- I
> forget the model) across the way.  It was a 90's car that looked
> brand new.  Like maybe a '94...  On the front fender was an emblem
> that said W-41.  I didn't know these were still being made...

Nope.  The W-41 has fallen away to the accountants.  There were about 
600 made each of the last few years, and was cut.  There were also 
complaints of the harshness of the engine.  I see no problems with 
185-195 bhp and 30+ mpg.....

I agree the W-41 Achieva SCX is a nice looking car.  Too bad Olds has 
given up on small sporty car class (to compete with Integras, 
Talons, etc.)  I recently revisited an article that reviewed the SCX 
in its final year.  Criticised Olds for the cheesy seats, but only 
sung praises for the drivetrain.

Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442

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From: pteubel@safety1st.com (Peter Teubel)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:34:47 -0300
Subject: unsubscribe

     unsubscribe

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From: "ROB MALLAND" <storm442@hotmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 09:44:28 -0300
Subject: Re: 73 Cutlass 350 header problems

I have a 73 Cutlass with a 350, and I am trying to put on a set of >Heddman
headers.  Driver's side is on with no real problems as of >yet, although, I
think a starter problem may develop.  The passenger >side is a problem though,
the oil filter is in the way, and even with >that removed, there is still not
enough room between the engine and >the frame to get the header into position.
Has anyone out there put >headers on a 73 350 car?  Do I pull the head off?
Raise the engine?  >Take it to someone who knows what they're doing? 

   I have put headers (blackjack, heddman) on my '73 Supreme,'73 $, and my
'73-442  --and I had the same problems as you, the drivers side was fairly easy
but the passenger side you HAVE to remove the oil filter attachment from the
block- and you have to remove and modify (or discard) the frame supports (one
will fit back on- the other will not). I did not need to jack up the engine
- -but with some creative twisting and forcing you can get them on while on car
ramps--
    Lloyd is correct in that you get NOT alot of results for your effort and
ALWAYS have a set (or two) of extra gaskets laying around.
Hope everything works out for you and let me know how it turns out-o.k.?

- -Rob Malland  '73-442
- -Tacoma, WA   '96-Cutlass Supreme












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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:56:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for Neat Stuff

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> I really wish I had picked up the "Oldsmobile" sweat socks, complete 
> with tiny velcro pocket for your keys...

Cool.  Those socks and a set of Toro wheels on the cart and you'll be all 
set for the golf course!

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: John & Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 07:31:39 -0300
Subject: Re: This List Works!

When asked
> what the price is now that we know it is a clone, not surprisingly, he had no
> comment.

We got out of him that he'd be lucky to get $3500 for it :)

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:03:00 -0300
Subject: FLOWMASTERS ANYONE??

A few days ago I posted a note asking for advice on Flowmaster mufflers for 
my '70 442.  No responses to date.  Doesn't anybody out there use Flowmaster 
mufflers on their Olds?
Scott Mullen
'70 442

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From: hitson@leadbelt.com (Roger Hitson)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 11:49:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Interesting Article

>     I thought you folks would enjoy this automotive story that I ran across.
>     
>     Title "Darwin Award" Author Unknown
>     
>     The Darwin Awards- It's an annual honor given to the person who did 
>     the gene pool the biggest service by killing themselves in the most 
>     extraordinarily stupid way.
>     
>     The Arizona Highway Patrol came upon a piece of smoldering metal 
>     embedded into the side of a cliff rising above the road at the apex of 
>     a curve.  The wreckage resembled the site of an airplane crash, but it 
>     was a car.  The type of car was unidentifiable at the scene.  The lab 
>     finally figured out what is was and what had happened.
>     
>     It seems that a guy had somehow gotten hold of a JATO unit (Jet 
>     Assisted Take Off-actually a solid fuel rocket) that is used to give 
>     heavy military transport planes an extra "push" for taking off from 
>     short airfields.  He had taken his Chevy Impala out into the desert 
>     and found a long, straight stretch of road.  He attached the JATO 
>     unit to his car jumped in, got up to speed and fired off the JATO!
>     
>     The facts, as could be determined, are that the operator of the 1967 
>     Impala hit the JATO ignition at a distance of approximately 3.0 
>     miles from the crash site.  This was established by the prominent 
>     patch of scorched and melted asphalt at that location.  The JATO, if 
>     operating properly,would have reached maximum thrust within 5 
>     seconds, causing the Chevy to reach speeds well in excess of 350 
>     miles per hour and continuing at full power for an additional 20 to 
>     25 seconds.  
>     
>     The driver, soon to be pilot, most likely experienced G-forces 
>     usually reserved for the dog fighting F14 jocks under full 
>     afterburners, basically causing him to become insignificant for the 
>     remainder of the event.  However, the automobile remained on the 
>     straight highway for about 2.5 miles, before the driver applied and 
>     completely melted the brakes, blowing the tires and leaving thick 
>     rubber marks on the road surface, then becoming airborne for an 
>     additional 1.4 miles and impacting the cliff face at a height of 125 
>     feet leaving a blackened crater 3 foot deep in the rock.
>     
>     Comments anyone?
>     
>     Bob Braden OCA#?
>     rbraden@qualitybio.com
>     1971 442 coupe
>     1972 442 conv. 
>     1974 88  conv.   
>        
>     ,
>
>
>
cool!

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From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Sun, 22 Sep 1996 21:02:17 -0300
Subject: Re: This List Works!

Geezz, Mike Frederick,
	 I almost think that Sunshine Classics in Orlando  was lucky you were 
there 
flaming him. He would of definitely gone out of business right there and then. 
- -- 
Regards
Fernando Proietto

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 15:16:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Die Cast Models JL

WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:
> 
> I will list the Toros for you all

Thanks for the info, W.M.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: DELPROPO@EMUVAX.EMICH.EDU
Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 19:47:10 -0300
Subject: 69 Hurst /442 models

I just talked to the Ertl company who informed me that models will be out the
first of Oct. 

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 05:20:05 -0300
Subject: Re: IRC Chat Revival? 

     Yes, I'm interested, and 8:30 on Wed sounds just about perfect!  Wed. 
     nights my wife goes country line dancing (I can't stand the stuff) so 
     I'm usually home bored.
     
     During the summer there was a Wed. night hot-rod gathering at a local 
     drive-in here that I usually went to.  It was rather funny because 
     last time I parked between 4 Corvettes and I swear that more people 
     were looking at my Hurst/Olds than all of the Corvettes combined.  
     What a great feeling. . .
     
     And on a different subject, my wife awarded me with an official 
     McGuyver merit badge this weekend.  In the middle of nowhere, WA my 
     tranny was shifting a bit funny.  Turned out that I overfilled it 
     after adding the tranny cooler.  To get the excess fluid out I rigged 
     up a vacuum canister involving a snapple jar, some 3/32" vacuum line I 
     had in the trunk, my swiss army knife, and of course the obligatory 
     chewing gum.  Worked great!
     
     Tom L.


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Subject: IRC Chat Revival?
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    9/22/96 7:06 PM

     
The stumbling block seemed to be finding an acceptable time and day to 
meet. I'll throw out the suggestion that we try Wednesdays at 8:30 
Eastern and see if that is any good for others. What do you think?
     
     

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From: Chris Blumenstein <bluffin@netins.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:58:53 -0300
Subject: '77 442

can't find parts for my 442 wonder if you can help?
Thanks

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From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:15:40 -0300
Subject: Boosters  (was Re: Antennas, antennas everywhere......)

> > On that topic, I know there are antenna boosters around, but are any of 
> > them any good?

The common complaint about boosters is that they amplify the whole
signal, noise and all.  I suspect that some filtering could be done,
but I don't know if any of them do or not.

I have a "boosted" antenna for my home stereo.  It is much better than
the dipole antenna that came with the receiver.
 
> > Also, is there a simple test that I can do to determine if my 
> > windshield antenna is bad (other than crappy reception)?

How about getting a swapping it with a junkyard antenna and see if reception
improves.  It's one connector on the back of the radio.

- 
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Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

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From: "Michael Calvo" <mcalvo@hologic.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:23:08 -0300
Subject: '70 442 W30 (pretty long) 

     
        Well I haven't written anything to the group since I was considering 
     buying another Cutlass, so I thought I would catch everyone up with 
     what I've happened. First off, I bought it (I just couldn't let it go). 
     The car: an original owner '70 442 W30 4spd, 70k mi, no pwr anything, 
     buckets, console, AM w/8 track, ralley pack, sport wheel, SS1s, numbers 
     match and everything seems to be there except the carb. What was right: 
     has the red inner fenders, OAI hood and air cleaner, manifold, F heads 
     etc. The motor was rebuilt with pretty much new everything (had 
     receipts), new clutch, exhaust, brakes, frontend. What was wrong: 
     original rear end had been swapped out, (original came with it though, 
     12 bolt 3:91 posi) Hurst shifter was worn out, four barrels didn't 
     open, motor had been tuned up but then sat for a long time and ran like 
     it,  had plastic and rot on the lower part of the drivers fender and 
     trunk lid. Car had quarters done but they weren't done very well and 
     the car had been repainted with a color change to black (no stripes) 
     and that was cracked and chipped and peeling, also there were a few 
     small cracks in the fiberglass hood. The interior had been done over in 
     black velour in '75 (AAAARRRGGG!) that had since faded to a bronze 
     color and was ripped on the front seats, the rear seats had been 
     returned to the correct covers. I bought the car for $6000. A friend 
     and I re-tuned it and converted it to HEI, fixed the carb so the four 
     barrels opened (what a difference!), swapped the shifter out with 
     another Hurst and send the original to Hurst to be rebuilt (for $40 and 
     they replace everything, such a deal!). I then attacked the interior, 
     for $1300 including $400 in labor, I had the front seats rebuilt with 
     all new springs (they were bad, new ones came from Year One), new foam, 
     new plastic backs (the backs had been covered with the velour), seat 
     covers, arm rests and finally a new headliner (all from Fusick). Wow 
     does the interior now look great! (but then again for that kind of 
     money it should) I have now picked up a real good trunk lid and fender. 
     I'm hoping to have the money to paint it this winter and I plan on 
     returning it to the original burnished gold, but what I found to be 
     really unusual is the car was ordered as a stripe delete, kinda 
     different. I'm hopefully going to do most of the paint prep my self, 
     (signed up for an night time autobody class at the local vocational 
     school). I Guess it pushes my '68 street/strip project  a little 
     further back in the garage but oh well.
     
     I saw a couple posts go whizzing by about some fellow New Englanders 
     wanting to meet up at Berejik's Oldsmobile (where my W30 was ordered 
     from) I would be interested if they want to post more or email me at:
     mcalvo@hologic.com I work in Waltham, which is right off 95/128.
     
     I am also a member of the Eastern Mass GMO club (not quite as active as 
     I would like to be..) but two weeks ago we had a show at 128 Oldsmobile 
     in Wakefield Mass (literally down the street from my house), that was 
     pretty good. Most of the shows and meetings take place at Berjik's 
     Oldsmobile with George Berejik being quite active in the club, 
     organizing events, showing cars, judging etc. (you should see the 
     family collection, some with miles in the double digit range, 
     Amazing!).
     
     Well I've written a long enough post,
     
     so long for now...
     
     Michael
     '68 Cutlass Supreme Holiday Coupe (500HP 455)
     '70 442 W30
     '79 Hurst Olds (If I could get the time to get it out of the yard of 
     the person who gave it to me)
     
     mcalvo@hologic.com

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From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:44:35 -0300
Subject: FW: Support for Classic Olds Owners -Reply 

>Also, have you tried contacting GM Restoration Parts?  To obtain a
>reference guide, their address is:
>GM Restoration Parts Headquarters
>P.O. Box 354
>Flint, MI  48501

Check out:  http://www.gmgoodwrench.com/gmrp/r4000.htm

I think you'll find what he's talking about online without paying the $7.95...
There's not a lot of help for Olds, though.

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From: "Jeff Hunter" <jchunter@xcelco.on.ca>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:30:10 -0300
Subject: Re: IRC Chat Revival?

 Subject: IRC Chat Revival?

> Date: September 22, 1996 9:58 PM
> 
> Now that summers over and things are getting back to normal, maybe it's 
> time to revisit the IRC chat sessions we had back in the spring. Thanks 
> to Jeff Hunter we have a channel on irc.another.net called #oldsmobile 
> and it was lots of fun when we did it last spring. 

This channel is still operational, however those of you who were with us
last spring will find that you no longer have operator status... When you
get connected to the server, and find the nickname you are going to use,
type this in:

/msg nickserv register password

where password is replaced with, well, your password.  This will make it
easy for everyone on the list to gain operator status in the channel.


 
> The stumbling block seemed to be finding an acceptable time and day to 
> meet. I'll throw out the suggestion that we try Wednesdays at 8:30 
> Eastern and see if that is any good for others. What do you think?

wednesday's are good... but i think that may be a bit early for the West
coast folk, maybe 9:30 - 10:00 ET would be a more conveinient time.

> To those who haven't done IRC, it is fun if you get a good group to chat 
> with and this one was great. If you don't have IRC software I recommend 
> mIRC, available for download from Stroud's site on the web. 

I second the motion for mIRC, however you can use whatever you want...
there are about 5 available for 
Windows...

Strouds IRC Apps for Win 3.1 at :  http://www.stroud.net/irc.html

Strouds IRC Apps for Win 95 at :  http://www.stroud.net/95irc.html

Somewhere out there there is a App called IRCLE. and it is the _only_ Mac
IRC app available.

 
> Anyone interested in reviving these sessions?

Sounds like a great idea to me, Greg. 


Jeff Hunter
Forest Ontario Canada
jchunter@xcelco.on.ca

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:50:39 -0300
Subject: Titles, Taxes, and Loads of fun...was Re: barns, fields for cars

> Up here in Ontario, the government has declared that all used car sales are
> taxed on the Red Book values (book detailing general market values for
> years and makes of cars), no matter what you paid for it.  So if I buy a
> really beat up 85 Cutlass from a guy for $500.00, I pay tax not on the
> $500, but on $2000, or whatever the Red Book says.  


	Same deal here in Montana.  You pay taxes on the blubook value of
the car reguardless of what you paid for it.  Funny how anything over 20
years old seems to book at $500 :)  I guess for some things that might
actually be a big bonus.

	When I was living in Wyoming, I had to pay a sales tax when I
bought my Camaro.  For that you bring the bill of sale, and they take 8%
of the price on it.  What I did (and I assume, just about everybody else
does) is have 2 bills of sale written up...one with the actual price you
paid, and the other with...well, however much you feel like paying the
taxes on!  In my case, I bought the car for $2600, and paid taxes on $1000
of it.  So, it really was'nt that bad (well, at least not as bad as that
$1 deal!)

	
				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:54:52 -0300
Subject: Re: model cars

> Does anyone know of any web sites or newsgroups dedicated to scale auto
> enthusiasts?
> 

	You might try rec.models.scale.
Subjects include model cars, ships, planes, etc.  I've gotten lots of
great advice on all sorts of things there too (like using mini-mag lights
for lighting models...).  Anyway, it's worth checking out.
	
		
				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:00:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Interesting Article

Roger Hitson wrote:
> 
> >     I thought you folks would enjoy this automotive 
> >     story BLAH, BLAH, BLAH

> >     Comments anyone?
> >
> cool!

Yeah, I got one: How about SNIP!

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:06:59 -0300
Subject: Re: FLOWMASTERS ANYONE??

I have the 3 chamber crossflow style on my Z/28. Nice mean sound but not too
loud like the 2 chamber. On my 442 I have a Flowtech Terminator crossflow
muffler with 2.5" in and outs. It is much quieter than the flowmaster upon
acceleration and idle but has more of a deeper tone to it. Also with the
flowtech I hear alot more low subtle backfire when letting off the gas if I
wind it out in 1st or 2nd (sounds real mean actually). I don't get that with
the Flowmaster on my Z/28. Overall I prefer the sound of the flowmaster
although the quietness of the flowtech terminator is nice.

At 12:03 PM 9/23/96 -0300, R Mullen wrote:
>
>A few days ago I posted a note asking for advice on Flowmaster mufflers for 
>my '70 442.  No responses to date.  Doesn't anybody out there use Flowmaster 
>mufflers on their Olds?
>Scott Mullen
>'70 442
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
88 Iroc Z/28.......................daily driver
80 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.........show car
75 Hurst/Olds W-25........restoration project
74 Riviera Stage I 455...winter ride

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:05:54 -0300
Subject: Deflation

Remember me posting the 66 Toro from the Tampa Tribune several weeks 
ago?	
Said it had a $22,000 frame off restoration and was asking $13,500.  
Guess what!  It was back in the paper last week...  BEST OFFER!

HA!

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:02:20 -0300
Subject: Re: This List Works!

Fernando Proietto wrote:
> 
> Geezz, Mike Frederick,
> He would of definitely gone out of business right there and then.

Maybe next time...   ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:13:03 -0300
Subject: Re: '77 442

They are starting to crop up. You have a car from the forgotten years
'73-'77 and aftermarket parts manufacturers haven't caught on to the idea
that people fix these cars up. Best thing to do would be to find a parts car
'77 442. I found a parts car 75 H/O to finish my 75 H/O. Talk about hard to
find parts, the badges for my 442 aren't made anymore by the dealer or
aftermarket. Seeing that only 886 Olds 442's  were made in 80 I had my
doubts in the first place. Dealer told me that I would have to have them
custom made...big $$$. 

At 05:58 PM 9/23/96 -0300, Chris Blumenstein wrote:
>can't find parts for my 442 wonder if you can help?
>Thanks
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
88 Iroc Z/28.......................daily driver
80 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.........show car
75 Hurst/Olds W-25........restoration project
74 Riviera Stage I 455...winter ride

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From: Russell_Cassizzi_at_ESC__PO01@pc.radian.com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:04:28 -0300
Subject: Re: FLOWMASTERS ANYONE?? 

     I use two 2.5 inch flowmasters on my Olds.  They're double chamber.  
     Russell Cassizzi '86 Cutlass 327


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Subject: FLOWMASTERS ANYONE??
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    9/23/96 3:54 PM


     
A few days ago I posted a note asking for advice on Flowmaster mufflers for 
my '70 442.  No responses to date.  Doesn't anybody out there use Flowmaster 
mufflers on their Olds?
Scott Mullen
'70 442
     

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:12:51 -0300
Subject: Olds For Sale

>From the Sunday Tampa Tribune:

	"OLDS 1948 CONV, rare, 76K
	 orig mi, auto trans & elec top
	 new red paint, comp int, top, 
	 & boot $17,500 941-924-5272"

	"OLDS 1969 442 Convertable.
	 Good condition. Drive it 
	 home $7500 941-753-5282"

Sounds like flood insurance just went up in the 941 area code.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:18:09 -0300
Subject: McGuyver

Tom Lentz wrote:
> 
> To get the excess fluid out I rigged up a vacuum canister involving a 
> snapple jar, some 3/32" vacuum line I had in the trunk, my swiss army 
> knife, and of course the obligatory chewing gum.  Worked great!

Whoa!  Definite "McGuyver of the Month"

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Katana72@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:18:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Interesting Article 

i guess he felt the "need for speed"!!!!!!



Katana72              It's NOT your father's Oldsmobile!!!     Hastings, MN 

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:15:01 -0300
Subject: RE: Tranny Problems

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Sure sounds like a convertor problem.

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From: 	Blaine Sanders 5483[SMTP:BLAINES@strata3d.com]
Sent: 	Monday, September 23, 1996 1:14 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Tranny Problems

My TH350 transmission has some problems that I can't figure out.  I think
they may be related to the torque converter.

1.   When car is in gear with my foot on the brake, car surges.  My
friends car doesn't do that, and I don't think mine's supposed to, either.

2.  When car is in gear and I hold my foot on the brake, my tranny (or
some other gadget down there makes a strange noise.  I can't think of
any comparable noise, so I don't know how to describe it.  I guess it's
kinda like the sound a wet finger makes when you rub it slowly on
glass... only... hell I don't know.  I can't figure out where it's coming 
from. 
But it makes my car stall sometimes.  

Could my convertor be froze up?  Thanks for any suggestions...

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme





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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:20:45 -0300
Subject: Roller Rockers 

A couple months ago Mark Prince posted a message that the Mondello 7400
roller rockers can be ordered direct from Jensel out of the National Dragster
at half the cost.
 
I have checked several recent National Dragster issues and Jensel doesn't
seem to be listed in there as an advertiser.
I tried to contact Mark for more info but his email address is no longer
valid.  

Does anyone have more info?

Bob Handren                         OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified                  '70 SX Convertible
Handren Associates, Inc.       Oviedo, FL
U.S. FDA Regulatory Affairs   (407)365-6385
Laser Safety

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:18:28 -0300
Subject: RE: FLOWMASTERS ANYONE??

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I've run them Scott.What would you like to know?

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From: 	R Mullen[SMTP:r_mullen@Merck.Com]
Sent: 	Monday, September 23, 1996 11:03 AM
To: 	'Olds Page'
Subject: 	FLOWMASTERS ANYONE??


A few days ago I posted a note asking for advice on Flowmaster mufflers for 
my '70 442.  No responses to date.  Doesn't anybody out there use Flowmaster 
mufflers on their Olds?
Scott Mullen
'70 442




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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:30:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Boosters  (was Re: Antennas, antennas everywhere......)

Robert Lawrence wrote:
> 
> The common complaint about boosters is that they amplify the whole
> signal, noise and all.  I suspect that some filtering could be done,
> but I don't know if any of them do or not.

Nothin for free!  I suspect some of this may be caused by people are 
adding boosters to make up for a crappy receiver.  Boosting the input to 
a receiver with a lousy signal to noise ratio is just going to make it 
worse.

On a related note, make sure you've trimmed the antenna properly.  
Usually located behind the tuner knob is a small screw head often 
recessed.  Tune the radio to a weak station and adjust for best 
reception.  I recommend you do NOT use a metal screwdriver to do this.  
You can buy a tuning wand for less than a buck that will eliminated the 
interference metal tools will cause.

Windshield dipoles: Looking through the Delco/GM "Sound Service" manual, 
I find the following ditty: "Inspect dipole wires within the windshield 
for breaks.  If test antenna indicates radio is OK and lead-in checks 
fine, the windshield needs to be replaced."  Who was asking why they 
disappeared?

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:37:51 -0300
Subject: Re: FW: Support for Classic Olds Owners

Hey, R.  (?)

Send a copy of your impassioned plea to edison3@cpeq.com
I'd be interested in reading it.

The 66 Toro and Mike

- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Katana72@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:40:31 -0300
Subject: Fwd: VIN # Translation 

- ---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    VIN # Translation
Date:    96-09-23 17:28:32 EDT
From:    Katana72
To:      oldsmobile@ccn.dal.ca

Well, I suppose it's my turn to ask a question. The question is what does the
following VIN # translate to:

these are my possible choices
1) 3411240535
2) 3A11240535
3) 3411240585
4) 3A11240585
5) 3411240583
6) 3A11240583

These numbers came off of a 350 motor, supposedly a 1973. I need an
interpolation of these numbers so I can get the emissions test waived. The
motor is installed in a 1981 Cutlass Wagon. Any AND all help will be very
much appreciated.
 THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!

Katana72          It's NOT your father's Oldsmobile !!       Hastings, MN 

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From: pnelson@cyberport.net (Nelson)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:07:22 -0300
Subject: Identifaction 

Ok I got what I think is a 66 98 and because the books will take a week or
so to get here I was wondering if you guys could tell me what some of the
numbers read.  They came off the door jam,

       GENERAL MOTORS CORPORATION
            O7D
  ST        66-38669 LAN38107 BODY
  TR        396-A       L-L   PAINT
            EYS 2KTR
            4F
        BODY BY FISHER
If I was thinking I would have gotten the eng. code too.  Any ideas on what
the #'s mean?  Thanks

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From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:12:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Die Cast Models -Reply  

>>> <PHartlieb@aol.com> 09/22/96 07:38pm >>>
In a message dated 96-09-20 21:14:45 EDT, you write:
>'70 I think, were the Toronados you saw Johnny Lightning ones?  Could
>use that green one.
>
>Paul

Sorry, Paul... I went back today to check it out.  It's Purple. =(

- -Blaine

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From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:20:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Identifaction 

The 98's in 1966 were all made in Lansing, MI so that's one piece of the 
puzzle. I know this car very, very well. Is there somethign I can tell you
about it?
cf

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From: sbento@mecn.mass.edu
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:43:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Roller Rockers

I think you are talking about "Jesel" ?? Although everything I have ever 
seen from them is high end race parts for Chevys?

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0


On Mon, 23 Sep 1996 BobH592058@aol.com wrote:

> A couple months ago Mark Prince posted a message that the Mondello 7400
> roller rockers can be ordered direct from Jensel out of the National Dragster
> at half the cost.
>  
> I have checked several recent National Dragster issues and Jensel doesn't
> seem to be listed in there as an advertiser.
> I tried to contact Mark for more info but his email address is no longer
> valid.  
> 
> Does anyone have more info?
> 
> Bob Handren                         OCA# 7728
> '67 W-30 Modified                  '70 SX Convertible
> Handren Associates, Inc.       Oviedo, FL
> U.S. FDA Regulatory Affairs   (407)365-6385
> Laser Safety
> 
> 

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From: Robert Whitaker <whitaker.rob@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:57:29 -0300
Subject: Re: FW: Support for Classic Olds Owners

The catalog is worthless!!!  Of 265 pages, 22 pages have Oldsmobile parts
and 90% of those are coil springs.  It does reference several companies that
are licensed to manufacture certain Olds parts.  Wolverine for five various
cams, Year One for a couple miscellaneous parts, Auto Custom Carpets for
carpet, and several other companies.  Bottom Line:  It is still worthless.



At 04:54 PM 9/23/96 +0000, you wrote:
>
>I need help with the following questions:
>1)  Does anybody out there have the GM Restoration Parts catalog mentioned 
>in the letter?  I'd rather spend $7.95 on premium fuel (and remove yet more 
>tread from my Goodyear 'Gatorbacks) than buy some catalog detailing the 
>latest repro Chevy floormats and mudflaps.  Is the catalog worth buying?
>

Robert Whitaker
69 H/O 455

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:23:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Decoding VIN's 

In a message dated 96-09-22 03:10:05 EDT, you write:

> Hey There!
>  
>  Get the package yet there pal?
>  
>  Sparky

No.  What did you send me???

Paul

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From: DESIMONEP@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:58:30 -0300
Subject: Re: '70 442 W30 (pretty long) 

In a message dated 96-09-23 17:02:15 EDT, you write:

>       swapped the shifter out with 
>       another Hurst and send the original to Hurst to be rebuilt (for $40
and 
>       they replace everything, such a deal!).

Does anyone have the company contact info for HURST?? You know, address,
phone, possible web or ftp access?

Thanks,

Phil De Simone
desimonep@aol.com
1968 Olds Cutlass "S" Convertible

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 21:25:48 -0300
Subject: NE Olds Owners Meeting: Sat. OK? 

Well, I figured it was time to change the subject line, and sum up what I
think I've heard.

Place? The sub-shop just up the road from Berejick's seems like the place to
meet, since the general opinion is that their sandwiches are HUGE! This is
exit 19a off I-95/Rt.128, in Needham Highlands (right?) This is also
relatively local to most of the NE people here

Time? Well, I suggested lunchtime this Saturday, 9/28, for a couple reasons.
First, I'd like to beat the Chicago-area group for a meeting (with more than
two people... :); Second, the longer we put this off, the longer we will put
this off ("uh, Oct. 4th is no good, and Nov. thru. Mar. are too cold, and
April is busy; how about next June...?"); and Third, uh, I am already going
to be up there that day, so _I_ like the idea...

So who'd like to go there, and maybe stop over at the Berejick Resto Shop if
it is open? (Um, let's see, the moon is almost full, and there is a "t" in
this month's name, and Scorpio is in line with Virgo... And of course the
Red Sox are _still_ in the pennant chase...)

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Landau Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:01:43 -0300
Subject: RE: NE Olds Owners Meeting: Sat. OK? 

>Place? The sub-shop just up the road from Berejick's seems like the place to
>meet, since the general opinion is that their sandwiches are HUGE! This is
>exit 19a off I-95/Rt.128, in Needham Highlands (right?) This is also
>relatively local to most of the NE people here

yep.

>Time? Well, I suggested lunchtime this Saturday, 9/28, for a couple reasons.

Perfect.

>So who'd like to go there, and maybe stop over at the Berejick Resto Shop if
>it is open? 

I'm okay for then; ie, no major academic work for next week.  I get it all 
this week.  A test, a quiz... 

Roger Borlase
'72 Cutlass Cruiser
http://www.cs.gordonc.edu/~borlase

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:05:01 -0300
Subject: Re: FW: Support for Classic Olds Owners

On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, R Mullen wrote:

> 2)  Has anyone out there tried to obtain documentation for their  Olds from 
> Lansing?  I recall reading in the FAQ's on Bryceman's page that post-'77 and 
> Canadian Oldsmobiles have window stickers/build sheets available.  I bet 
> that the post-'77 info is the only stuff that is computerized in Lansing, 
> and that all of that priceless pre-'77 info is filling up file drawers at 
> some bureaucratic depot somewhere.  I'd be willing to drive to Lansing and 
> look through the drawers myself for a copy of my window sticker and build 
> sheet.  How do I get a copy of my window sticker?

I think that the short answer is you don't.  I wrote to the Olds History 
Center in Lansing for both by '64 and '75 Oldsmobiles, and they sent me 
a bunch of useful stuff.  But each time, they said that, unless the car 
was 1977 or newer, they couldn't "pick up" a copy of the sales invoice.  
They've _never_ mentioned the window sticker.  I don't know if _that's_ 
available even to the post 1977 owners.  You might try to find the 
original selling dealer, but then you would have to be lucky enough to 
have that dealer save the sales records from that long ago.  Most will 
have discarded sales records after 10 or 15 years, I would think.

I managed to discover who the dealer was for my '75 Delta 88.  The info 
was on the build sheet in the form of a "dealer number" in a "zone."  I 
simply wrote to the Olds History Center again and asked them who was 
dealer so-and-so in zone such-and-such.  The _did_ find a dealer to 
match those codes, and it turned out that the dealer was still in 
business.  I found out that my car was originally sold in Trenton, New 
Jersey, and I found out the name of the original owner.  I wrote to the 
dealer, and they were very friendly, but they couldn't help me much.  
The president of the dealership wrote me back and explained that 

a) the salesman who originally sold the car had recently passed away
b) they don't keep sales records going back that far (this was in 1995 
that I asked these questions).

The dealer _did_ have, strangely enough, something called a "delivery 
card."  This gave the name and address of the original purchaser and the 
delivery date.  He didn't send me the original card, just a copy of it.  
He didn't explain why they would still have such a thing, and the tone 
of his letter seemed to suggest that he was surprised to find it.

I tried to contact the purchaser listed on the card, but I never had any 
luck finding him.  There was no one currently by that name in the 
Trenton phone book, and the dealer, who sent me a copy of the relevant 
page from the phone book, said that they original purchaser had not 
lived at the address on the delivery card since about 1983 (perhaps that 
might have been when they stopped bringing the car in for service).

Anyway, I felt a bit like a private detective, and it was fun, but it was 
ultimately fruitless.  I suppose that even if I did locate the original 
owner, there was no reason to expect that he would still have had any 
purchase documents.  After all, he hadn't owned the car for several years 
(I'm the third owner).

All I can suggest is that you keep lookin' for that build sheet!


> 3)  When I bought my 442 in 1988, it had just arrived in New York State (via 
> auction in N.C.) from its original home in Ada, Oklahoma.  I recall seeing 
> the Oklahoma title in the seller's hands as we waited in line at the Motor 
> Vehicle office.  It had a "Purchase Price" of $5200 or so on it, so I'm 
> assuming that it was from the original owner ($5200 about right for a 70' 
> 442 Holiday Coupe w/ W30, air and AT?).  Like the young fool that I was, I 
> did not get a copy of that title, and it went into the bowels of the Albany, 
> N.Y. DMV headquarters (I think?).  Where do I begin looking for my cars 
> ownership lineage?  Do I get a copy of that title from DMV in N.Y., or do I 
> start in Oklahoma?  Let's hear from the documentation experts out there!

I once tried to trace the ownership lineage for my '64 Jetstar 88, and I 
did have some luck, but I never did confirm who the original purchaser 
was, and I never contacted her.  I did the trace, though, by doing what 
you suggest, and that was contacting the title agency in each relevant 
county in Ohio.  (It turned out that, even though my Jetstar had had a 
number of owners, it spent all its life in Ohio.)  

If you think that New York State might have a copy of the Oklahoma title, 
then by all means give them a call.  If they don't, though, you might be 
out of luck.  I was able to tract my car's history in Ohio only because I 
knew the title number of each preceding title.  (A new title is issued in 
Ohio each time a car changes hands.  The previous title number is 
written on the new title.  Thus you can start a search.  I don't know if 
it's the same in other states.)  A VIN is probably not enough for a title
agency to locate a title, but I could be wrong.

I would guess that in all likelihood you'll never find the original 
owner.  It's fun to try, but be prepared for lots of dead ends.  Just be 
sure to enjoy the car!



Dan Gulino

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:09:17 -0300
Subject: Re: new member introduction

At 22:00 09/21/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>
>
>On Fri, 20 Sep 1996, Robert J. Barry wrote:
>
>> At 11:33 PM 9/19/96 -0400, you wrote:
>> >>Anyone else in the New England area interested???
 
>> Boston would probably be a centrally-located spot for everybody, and is only
>> 45-60 min. from Providence anyway.

Boston would be about a 2 hour drive for me. 


>>perhaps we could all meet at Berjerick
>>(spelling *completely* off there!) Oldsmobile out in Newton Highlands
>>(Needham Street, exit 18 off Rt.128, 

Exit 18 would be about 1.5 hours away.
 
>> Another option is to meet af Fusick's, though that is really about 4 miles
>> east of the middle of nowhere. There is a Dunkin' Donuts right there,
>> though, to meet at, where we can all order "regular" coffees and get them
>> the right way (with cream and sugar, of course).

Fusicks is about 45 minutes away from me.I guess that makes me about 40
miles south of the middle of nowhere :)

>Sounds good to me, I live in Peabody (about 25 minutes north of 
>Boston) Unfortunatly I can't take my Olds :(  (I'am in the process of 
>installing 3" exhaust from the headers all the way back to the bumper). 
>
>Steve
>71 Cutlass S 455
>93 Mustang LX 5.0

Maybe Framingham or Berejiks would be good on a weekend (Sunday?) I would
not be able to drive my Cutlass yet either. It's not registered yet. Only
bought it 2 months ago. But I would like to see what you guys have done!!
Keep in touch...

Brad
'68 Cutlass S Convt
'90 Ch*vy Astro Van (3 kids,Buckles 8)
'96 P*nt**c Grand Am (Brand New,Family car)

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:09:14 -0300
Subject: Re: IRC Chat Revival?

At 01:58 09/23/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>
>Anyone interested in reviving these sessions?
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
Greg,
 Yes, I would be interested in the chat room.I just need to download the
software. I think that maybe 10:00 or 11:00 EST would be good for both coasts.
Need to get the kids to bed too....

Brad '68 C/S Convt 

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From: Todd Morris <tmorris@bt1dc18e.bet.ibm.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:15:03 -0300
Subject: Rear End Ratio 

 
I scraped the gunk off my rear axle the other day and discovered the codes 
"SR" stamped on 
it.  According to the shop manual this denotes a standard 3.08 rear.  However, 
a 3.08 was not 
available with 4 speed trannies, (minimum was a 3.23).  So I decide to measure 
ratio by 
turning the rear wheel.  The results don't add up though: 20 complete turns of 
the driveshaft 
resulted in 12 and 1/3 turns of the wheel.  This calculates to a ratio of 
1.62, which can't 
be right.  What am I doing wrong?  By the way, I'm turning around 2700 RPM at 
70 MPH, which 
would indicate at least a 3.08 rear, according to some of the tables published 
on this list. 
 
Todd Morris 
71 442 

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:19:58 -0300
Subject: RE: NE Olds Owners Meeting: Sat. OK?

At 01:01 09/24/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>>Place? The sub-shop just up the road from Berejick's seems like the place to
>>meet, since the general opinion is that their sandwiches are HUGE! This is
>>exit 19a off I-95/Rt.128, in Needham Highlands (right?) This is also
>>relatively local to most of the NE people here

>yep.

This location sounds good for me too.

>>Time? Well, I suggested lunchtime this Saturday, 9/28, for a couple reasons.

>Perfect.


Not so perfect :( I have to go to a wedding that my wife is a brides maid in :(


>>So who'd like to go there, and maybe stop over at the Berejick Resto Shop if
>>it is open? 
>
>I'm okay for then; ie, no major academic work for next week.  I get it all 
>this week.  A test, a quiz... 
>
>Roger Borlase
>'72 Cutlass Cruiser
>http://www.cs.gordonc.edu/~borlase
>

Sorry folks,can't make this one :(  Youse guys have fun and mayby we can try
again some other time. How about Oct 5 or 6.(Nov 2/3?) These dates are open
for now,but you know how the wife can fill up a calender....

Brad from CT '68 C/S Convt

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:46:22 -0300
Subject: Power seat parts

I need power seat part for a '70 olds 442 with a power BENCH seat.  It 
doesn't want to go front to back.  It makes a buzzing noise and tries to 
move the seat, but just doesn't have the effort.  I think I need new 
motors.  What do you think?
Where do I find parts.  I looked in Year One and they didn't have any.
Thanks
Brad

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:48:52 -0300
Subject: What swich is this?

In my '70 Olds 442, on the dash, is a small lever that is mounted 
between the cigerette lighter/ashtray compartment and the glove box.  It 
is mounted upside down under a little bit of a lip.  Does anyone know 
what this is for?
Thanks
Brad

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From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:49:22 -0300
Subject: Rear End Ratio

Todd

If your rear is a posi, turn the wheels one full turn, and count how many 
times 
the driveshaft spins around. If its a 3.08 the drive shaft will stop just a 
fuzz over 3 turns, a 3:23 is almost a full quarter past 3.  If the rear end
is a open one you cant use this method.

Mike
66 442
69 H/O
70 W30
71 442 convt
_______________________________________________________________________________

I scraped the gunk off my rear axle the other day and discovered the codes 
"SR" stamped on 
it.  According to the shop manual this denotes a standard 3.08 rear.  However, 
a 3.08 was not 
available with 4 speed trannies, (minimum was a 3.23).  So I decide to measure 
ratio by 
turning the rear wheel.  The results don't add up though: 20 complete turns of 
the driveshaft 
resulted in 12 and 1/3 turns of the wheel.  This calculates to a ratio of 
1.62, which can't 
be right.  What am I doing wrong?  By the way, I'm turning around 2700 RPM at 
70 MPH, which 
would indicate at least a 3.08 rear, according to some of the tables published 
on this list. 
 
Todd Morris 
71 442 






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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:51:00 -0300
Subject: Thanks to Daniel Gulino

Dan,
Thanks for sharing your experiences on the trail of your paperwork.  Sounds 
like I have a good winter project ahead of me that will not result in 
skinned knuckles.
Scott Mullen
'70 442

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@kfmw.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 17:49:57 -0300
Subject: Re: This List Works! - Duffys!

Just in case any of you are familiar with Duffys in Iowa, that have what 
they claim is a 1967 W-30 Convertible.  Of course they talk up how rare 
the car is and that it is only 1 of 14 made, blah, blah, blah.  Well, 
there were never any 67 W-30 convertibles made.  Also, this car has 
several things wrong with it, including black fenderwells.  They are 
asking nearly $19K for the car.  Also, they claim that it is all numbers 
matching.  If I bought a car like this and found out it was a fake, I 
think I'd consider a lawsuit.  Now, I'm not saying Duffys is anything 
like Sunshine (or Sunsh*t as we should call it), but it is strange how 
all of their cars are numbers matching, etc.  I do know of somebody who 
did purchase a numbers matching car from Duffys and when they 
investigated it, it was not.  The mechanic from there even admitted that 
they had taken parts off of the car and put non-original parts on.

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From: Katana72@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:53:05 -0300
Subject: Re: What swich is this? 

It should be for a courtesy light that mounts in that area. My 72 didn't have
one, but I found one in another cutlass and put it in mine. There should be a
white plastic lens attached to the switch and a screw on either side. Check
it out.

Katana72        It's NOT your father's Oldsmobile          Hastings, MN 

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From: Katana72@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 22:56:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Power seat parts 

I may have the part you need, but it's from a 68 cutlass convertible. I hope
that your not in any rush, because resto on that doesn't start until Jan or
so. If you really need it, let me know. The power bench seat is going and
buckets with a floor shifter is going in it's place. Gotta find a couple of
restorable buckets, though.


Katana72                 It's NOT your father's Oldsmobile!!!       Hastings,
MN

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 13:10:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Tranny Problems 

>My TH350 transmission has some problems that I can't figure out.  I think
>they may be related to the torque converter.

>1.   When car is in gear with my foot on the brake, car surges.  My
>friends car doesn't do that, and I don't think mine's supposed to, either.

 
>But it makes my car stall sometimes.  
>
>Could my convertor be froze up?  Thanks for any suggestions...
>
>-Blaine
>'72 Cutlass Supreme

Blaine this sounds like a *classic* lockup torque converter that won't
unlock to me.  The only problem is, a `72 isn' t supposed to have a lockup
torque converter.   If you've had the transmission replaced with a
completely different unit, you may have gotten a newer model that uses a
lockup converter.  I don't know for sure but I'm allmost positive that it's
physically impossible for a torque converter to freeze up if it is a
non-lockup model.  I don't have my transmission manual handy, so I can't
offer any other suggestions right now.  If it turns out that you do have a
newer transmission with a lockup torque conveter, I'd imagine you're having
trouble with a sticking valve in the valvebody, or possibly a governor
pressure problem.  

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@kfmw.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:15:00 -0300
Subject: Quad States and 100th Aniv

Well, I'm back from the Quad States show.  It was a very good show with 
lots of Oldsmobiles.  I don't know the count, but over 125.  The 
highlights of the show were all the 1968 442s (what else), the 1911 
Limited, a 1919 Truck, lots of 70s W-30s and convertibles.  There was 
even 2 of those Delta 88 pace cars and a 1980 442.  There was not much 
action in the vendors section (myself included), but it was fun.  This 
show is definitley worth the trip, especially for the Chicago people.  
Hopefully, more of you can attend next year.

Anyway, the guest speaker (can't think of his name) from Olds talked 
about the 100th Aniv show.  Here are the highlights:
  1700 cars already registered for the show (expect 2500)
  97 of the promised 100 curved dashes have commited
  There will be a parade with Oldsmobiles from every year 
  There will be a curise for anyone to participate in
  Free big name entertainment and fireworks (name witheld)
  Olds will pace Indy in 1997 (car witheld)
  Lots of other stuff I just can't recall

I wish I could have got him to comment of the pace car, but he said 
Oldsmobile will not release that info.  Maybe a new H/O, 2 door Aurora 
or a new 442.  We will all just have to wish.  Anyway, the thing I am 
really looking forward to is the cruise.  I can't wait to cruise among 
another 2000 Oldsmobiles and especially everybody fromt the list!

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 00:24:00 -0300
Subject: Duffy and the Sunshine band

I'm coming in a little late on the "Sunshine" item.  Will some one briefly 
explain who/what they are?  I take it there are (gasp!!) dishonest people in 
the used car business?
Scott Mullen
'70 442

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From: Todd Morris <tmorris@bt1dc18e.bet.ibm.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 00:32:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Rear End Ratio 

 
 
It's definitely not a posi, because only one wheel turns when both are in the 
air.  However, 
to do the measurements I made sure that one wheel was grounded so as not to 
throw off the 
measuring of the other wheel.  If this still is not the correct method to 
measure, how  
_do_ you measure if your rear is non-posi? 
   
 
>If your rear is a posi, turn the wheels one full turn, and count how many 
times  
>the driveshaft spins around. If its a 3.08 the drive shaft will stop just a  
>fuzz over 3 turns, a 3:23 is almost a full quarter past 3.  If the rear end 
>is a open one you cant use this method. 
  
 
  
Todd Morris  
71 442  
   

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:51:38 -0300
Subject: Re: FW: Support for Classic Olds Owners 

In a message dated 96-09-23 16:10:45 EDT, you write:

>   Where do I begin looking for my cars 
>  ownership lineage?  Do I get a copy of that title from DMV in N.Y.

Yes, try the DMV first.  Here in PA all this stuff is on microfilm and can be
reproduced in a reasonable amount of time.  Then you'd have to find the
original owner however it is you go about that.  If he's still at that same
address, you're a lucky man.  It's possible though, as the original owner of
my '72 is still at the same address and I visit every now and then.  Did this
car have a Protect-o-plate that would have the original owner name?
 Obviously not, as that is probably the first place you looked.  Anything
with the original selling dealers information on it?  I was fortunate in that
I worked for the dealership that sold my car new.  I was allowed to go up
into the "archives" and was allowed to retrieve the original buyer's order,
bill of sale, factory invoice, dealer's copy of the window sticker, copies of
the delivery receipt from the transporter to the dealer, and personal notes
from the original salesman.  I think I must have one of the best documented
cars in the countyr with all this stuff.  Now, if it were a 442 W-30 instead
of a bare-bones C/S!  Things like this may still exist if your original
dealer is still in business.  I wish I had been able to take all of the
factory invoices that I had come across.  They were just thrown into a box, I
just kept digging until I found mine.

Good luck, keep trying.

Paul

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:51:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Looking for Neat Stuff 

In a message dated 96-09-22 21:59:06 EDT, you write:

> Does anyone know of vendors of this kind of thing? I would love to get a 
>  list or whatever of what's available if there are people who specialize in

>  this, 

I suggest you contact Alpha One Marketing Group.  They are the group that
markets Oldsmobile merchandise to dealer.  If you call their 1-800 # they
will send you their latest catalog.  1-800-338-2955.  These are the folks
that were handling the Aurora Promos (you may still be able to order the pace
car - shipping scheduled for December).  They have dirctors chairs, afghans,
glasses, pens, watches, jewelry, etc.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:51:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Indexing Steering Column 

In a message dated 96-09-23 01:26:21 EDT, you write:

> 3) how can I tell when I have the tube at the right point in the 360
degrees
>  of rotation that is possible? For example, if I'm looking down at the
column,
> 
>  the backuplight/neutral safety switch should be between ___ and ___
degrees 
>  on the circle. 110 and 80? 115 and 75? 
>  
>  Any magic fixes beyond continuing to patiently mess with the column tube?

Went through this with our '66 Toro, also had T&T.  Never bothered with
re-adjusting the switches though.  Anyway, I used to put the tilt wheel all
the way up in the top position (I liked that when I was a little kid on our
'67, thought I was a truck driver).  Anyway, with the wheel all the way up,
you should have a pretty good idea of when the wheel will go straight up and
down when it tilts instead of tilting diagonally.  It worked for me.  Hope
this helps.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:51:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Die Cast Models -Reply  

In a message dated 96-09-23 18:12:37 EDT, you write:

> Sorry, Paul... I went back today to check it out.  It's Purple. =(
>  
>  -Blaine
>  

Well - that's OK - I could use a purple one too.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:51:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Still making W-41's? 

In a message dated 96-09-23 13:26:06 EDT, you write:

>   Like maybe a
>  '94...  On the front fender was an emblem that said W-41.  I didn't know
>  these were still being made...

This is an Achieva SCX (W41) made during 1992 & 93.  Kind of scarce, I think.
 But we did sell a few when I was still at the dealership.  I bought my '92
before the SCX came out. :(

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 23:51:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Identifaction 

In a message dated 96-09-23 18:17:38 EDT, you write:

> GENERAL MOTORS CORPORATION
>              O7D
>    ST        66-38669 LAN38107 BODY
>    TR        396-A       L-L   PAINT
>              EYS 2KTR
>              4F
>          BODY BY FISHER

07D means the body was produced the 4th week (D) or July (07), probably '66.

66-38669 means the is a 1966 (66) Oldsmobile (3) Ninety-Eight Luxury Sedan
(8669)

LAN38107 means the body was produced at the Lansing Plant and the # is the
unit #

TR 396-A is the trim code for Tropic Turquoise (396), I'm thinking the (A) is
for a black vinyl top.  Usually the vinyl top code goes with the paint code,
but this was still pretty early in vinyl top history.  Vinyl tops were a
strongly recommended option on Luxury Sedans and I would think black would be
the color here rather than beige, judging by the body color below.

L-L PAINT is the paint code for Tropic (dark) Turquoise

(this sounds like its a pretty car!) 

EYS 2KTR 4F sound like accessory codes.  I don't know what these mean.

Paul

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From: glenn connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:57:49 -0300
Subject: 69 4-4-2 motor picture

        Does anyone have a picture of a '69 4-4-2 engine compartment that's
basically correct?   I'd like to finish under the hood and could use some
visual help.  I haven't been able to find any decent pictures and missed 2
local shows to take some. 
        
        If anybody has such a picture I'd like to see it.  If you have it in
.jpg or .gif form just point it to gpc@buffnet.net and click.  If that's not
an option, snail mail would work.  Matter-of-fact, just thought of
something,  if you can send me a print I'll make a color copy (up to
11"x17") and send both your print and copy back to you.

        Thanks,
        Glenn
        '69 4-4-2

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 00:54:30 -0300
Subject: 1997 Oldsmobile Indy Pace Car 

          From the Sept 23 issue of Autoweek magazine:

          "Two years of negotiations reached fruition September 11 as
          Carroll Shelby and Oldsmobile general manager John Rock
          finally signed the paperwork to put an Olds 4.0 liter 32
          valve V8 tuned to 350 horsepower into Shelby's modern
          interpretation of the Cobra..."

          "...It will have the high power-to-weight ratio of a
          supercar while still incorporating enough comfort and
          convenience features to keep it attractive to Shelby's
          target of 500 buyers for the three year production run of
          the car..."

          "The body design is set, with both coupe and roadster
          configurations...   ...(expect photos of the new car within
          a couple of weeks)."

          "The goal of Shelby's project is to top the power-to-weight
          ratio of Chrysler's Viper."

          "The car will debut at the Los Angeles and Detroit auto
          shows in January, will have a carbon-fiber body bolted to a
          steel chassis, though Shelby suggests that an aluminum
          chassis is still not out of the question.  Designer and
          chief engineer Peter Bryant, who worked with Shelby on the
          1964 and 1965 Cobra coupes, says that it will take another
          nine months (which approaches the on-sale date late next
          summer) to optimize the new chassis.  The hardtops will
          debut first, and the roadsters will follow shortly
          thereafter."

          "Although the deal with Olds is finally and officially
          inked, some portions of it still aren't ironed out - such as
          where the car will be sold.  The most likely scenario is the
          one that John Rock prefers; he'd like to sell the car at
          select Oldsmobile dealerships, with order-taking beginning
          next June.  Neither Shelby nor Olds has announced a price,
          but it will probably be the same $75,000 sticker that Shelby
          talked about last year."

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 00:04:26 -0300
Subject: Re: FLOWMASTERS ANYONE?? 

In a message dated 96-09-23 16:51:11 EDT, you write:

<< A few days ago I posted a note asking for advice on Flowmaster mufflers
for 
 my '70 442.  No responses to date.  Doesn't anybody out there use Flowmaster

 mufflers on their Olds?
 Scott Mullen
 '70 442
  >>

Well I use 3 inch Flowmasters, with 3 chambers.  The sound is very deep and 
throaty.  I have noticed the power increase.  I also have 9 other Olds
buddies
here in Detroit that use either the 2.5 or 3 inch Flowmasters.  They
RULE!!!!!!

W MACHINES  72 442 W-30 Race Rocket

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:06:49 -0300
Subject: Re: Rear End Ratio 

The results don't add up though: 20 complete turns of the driveshaft resulted
in 12 and 1/3 turns of the wheel.  This calculates to a ratio of 1.62, which
can't be right.  What am I doing wrong?  By the way, I'm turning around 2700
RPM at 70 MPH, which would indicate at least a 3.08 rear, according to some of
the tables published on this list.

Todd Morris 
71 442 


         Todd,

         Since you have a non-posi rear end, holding one wheel fixed
         while rotating the other adds a 2:1 gear reduction through
         the differential.  Your calculated 1.62:1 x 2 = 3.24:1, which
         is close enough to the factory 3.23 to allow for experimental
         error.

         Joe Padavano
         jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

         66 442
         68 W-30
         69 H/O
         70 W-30

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 00:03:18 -0300
Subject: Inane.Olds.Stories.Misc- Saturday and Oldsmobiles 

Drove around a bit on Saturday, and had a few interesting Oldsencounters:

1) Cruising on the highway in the big green Toro, something on the other
side of the highway catches my eye: A gorgeous deep maroon '68 Cutlass
convertible. Wow. It's amazing, I can't read the clock on the other side of
the room, but I can identify a nearly thirty-year old car from a 1/4 mile
away... What's that say about my priorities??? Oh, and just as an objective
observer (I don't own a '68 or '69 Cutlass), the '68's taillights are really
a lot slicker than the '69's (I think this is true for all '68 A-bodies).

2) Cruising on the highway in the big green Toro, I notice something coming
up from behind; hmmm, '72 grille, white, with gold stripes... Yup, a genuine
H/O! Definitely _not_ a show car ("touch-up" paint on the decklid kinda
misted over the middle of the stripes; looks like a quickie job with
Krylon), but 275's on the back and the trumpet exhausts remind me just how
*mean* these cars can look. Guy give me an enthusiastic thumbs-up as has
passes by; my wife asks "What was that for?". She's sweet, but still doesn't
quite get it...

3) Cruising on the highway... No, actually, after a long day cruising on the
highway, starting up the big green Toro again, to go out to dinner, I notice
that the usual exhaust "stains" (oil mixing with the condensation inside the
tailpipes) on the concrete are not as bad after I've been driving for a
while. I'm waiting for the car to warm up while my wife is putting the
stroller in the trunk. I decide to "clear out" the engine by giving the
pedal a couple stabs... "Aaarghh!" (or some similar sound) emanates from
behind the car; apparently, the exhaust oil/soot is much *worse* when you
stab the pedal before the car is fully warmed up, and the right-side
tailpipe exits just above where someone putting a stroller in the car would
put THEIR foot... :o

Soap and water will get oily/sooty exhaust stains off of brown leather
shoes; if my wife was wearing long pants, however, I do believe that I
wouldn't be here to write this...

Gotta get the rings and seals done on that 455!

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Landau Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

------------------------------

From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:19:01 -0300
Subject: Re: What swich is this? 

In my '70 Olds 442, on the dash, is a small lever that is mounted 
between the cigerette lighter/ashtray compartment and the glove box.  It 
is mounted upside down under a little bit of a lip.  Does anyone know 
what this is for?
Thanks
Brad

          Brad,

          Look under the lip and you should see a white plastic lens.
          This is a map light, which should turn on with that switch
          or with the door open.  I suspect that either the bulb is
          burned out or the fuse is blown.  Two phillips head screws
          should allow you to remove the map light assembly and check
          the bulb.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30 (with map light)

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:15:22 -0300
Subject: More 1997 Indy Pace Car 

          In my haste to post the info on the 97 Aurora-powered
          Shelby, I forgot to add a few comments.

          The tie-in with the Indy 500 is due to the new Indy Racing
          League engine rules.  (For those that came in late, IRL was
          founded by Tony George, owner of the Indianapolis Motor
          Speedway, as a "lower cost" alternative to CART.  Since the
          Penskes et al of CART wouldn't comply with IRL rules, Tony
          George "took his ball and went home", starting a new "Indy
          Car" racing series to compete with CART).  Starting in 97,
          IRL will require a 4.0 liter "stock-block" 4-valve DOHC V8.
          Olds was the first manufacturer to sign up with the Aurora
          engine.  Nissan followed with their Infinity V8.  Those are
          the only two so far, although Ford has shown interest.
          Anyway, first one to bring the engine apparently gets to
          pick the pace car, hence the Olds-Shelby tie-in.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

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From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 02:38:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Inane.Olds.Stories.Misc- Saturday and Oldsmobiles

Robert J. Barry wrote:

> I'm waiting for the car to warm up while my wife is putting the
> stroller in the trunk. I decide to "clear out" the engine by giving the
> pedal a couple stabs... "Aaarghh!" (or some similar sound) emanates from
> behind the car;

I have neat little round rings on garage walls all over the place from doing 
that, but I 
never put one on MY girlfriends leg! 

> apparently, the exhaust oil/soot is much *worse* when you
> stab the pedal before the car is fully warmed up, and the right-side
> tailpipe exits just above where someone putting a stroller in the car would
> put THEIR foot... :o

Nice move Bob!  (:
 
> Soap and water will get oily/sooty exhaust stains off of brown leather
> shoes; if my wife was wearing long pants, however, I do believe that I
> wouldn't be here to write this...

Nor do I! I have found that that the carbon is pretty hard to get off!  At 
least from 
the palms of your hands when checking the exhaust!!! Good luck there ol buddy!
 
> Gotta get the rings and seals done on that 455!

Started doing the seals on 66 Toro Flammer today!

Sparky

- -- 
Greg Kalkhoff                                      Driven Images
4217 W. Fond du Lac Ave.                http://cpeq.com/~edison3/dihome.html
Milwaukee, WI.  53216	
414-447-7500

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 19:37:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Power seat parts

Brad Bowles wrote:
>=20
> I need power seat part for a '70 olds 442 with a power BENCH seat.  It
> doesn't want to go front to back.  It makes a buzzing noise and tries t=
o
> move the seat, but just doesn't have the effort.  I think I need new
> motors.  What do you think?
>
> Brad

Brad,

I believe the same motor works the seat back & forth/ up & down.  If it=20
goes in any direction, the motor is not your problem.  If the motor does=20
work, but not will not move the seat in all directions, 1st check the=20
cables going from the transmission to the gears on the seat to see that=20
they will turn w/motor & that the gears are not bound or broken.  The=20
cables can be checked by taking them loose from the gears & working=20
switch through all positions.

Next, check the switch.  It should be tight on the connector & have no=20
corrosion on the contacts w/connector.  If the seat solenoid clicks when=20
moving switch to a position, but the seat doesn't move; suspect the=20
switch.  The switches can be taken apart & cleaned, but be careful not=20
to break anything plastic or the cast case.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

P.S.:  If you need any other information, just call me at BR549.
- --=20
MZ=90

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:48:10 -0300
Subject: 1966 442 Tail pipe locating dimensions 

          From the 66 factory service manual:

          The manual specifies that the tops of the tail pipes should
          be 1/2 inch below the bottom-most edge of the rear bumper.
          No fore/aft dimension is given, but from the looks of the
          drawing, the forward edge of the chrome bezel should be just
          about even with the bottom edge of the bumper (since, in
          cross section, the bumper angles up and back, the bottom
          edge of the bumper is the foreward-most edge of the bumper
          also).

          Some additional exhaust system dimensions:

          The rolled lip on the foreward end of the mufflers should
          have 7/8" clearance to the floorboard and 1 3/16" clearance
          to the driveshaft.

          The tailpipes, where they arch up over the rear axle, should
          have 7/8" clearance to the frame crossmember (this is the
          frame piece to which the rear axle upper control arms
          attach).

          The chambered section of the tailpipe should be about 1"
          below the frame rail in the vicinity of the gas tank and
          the centerline of the pipe should be just slightly outside
          the outside of the frame rail at this location.  The pipe
          should also be about 1" inboard of the trunk well in this
          area.

          I hope this helps.  It is a lot easier to understand with
          the manual in front of me.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

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From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 00:59:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Rear End Ratio 

The quick but messy way to figger out the ratio is to take the cover off and
spin the ring gear until you see the numbers. Usually at the beginning of
the sequence you'll find 41 13 or whatever the ring&pinion teeth count is.
Then you get out your handy calculator and yer done!

Course ya gotta put the cover back on.
cf

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From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 01:02:43 -0300
Subject: [none]

You should find power seat parts at any decent junkyard in your town.
>From what I've seen these systems were common to all GM cars and didn't
change much along the way, except for switch location. You'll fin
d 3 cable drives for the front riser, back/forward movement and rear
riser. I've usually pulled from Big Olds's. 

Best way to do it is to start pulling the seat tracks from underneath
the body using vise grips to unscrew the bolts. They're tough to get
at from above because of lack of seat clearance. I can tell you more
about these systems if anyone wants to know..
cf

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 20:00:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Inane.Olds.Stories.Misc- Saturday and Oldsmobiles

"Aaarghh!" (or some similar sound) emanates from
> behind the car; apparently, the exhaust oil/soot is much *worse* when y=
ou
> stab the pedal before the car is fully warmed up, and the right-side
> tailpipe exits just above where someone putting a stroller in the car w=
ould
> put THEIR foot... :o
>=20
> Soap and water will get oily/sooty exhaust stains off of brown leather
> shoes; if my wife was wearing long pants, however, I do believe that I
> wouldn't be here to write this...
>=20
> Gotta get the rings and seals done on that 455!
>=20
> -----------
> - Bob Barry


Bob,

You live dangerously.  Who's budget will pay for the rings & seals?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama
- --=20
MZ=90

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From: rebelxs <rebelxs@cadvision.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 02:02:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Rear End Ratio 

At 11:15 PM 9/23/96 -0300, you wrote:
> 
>I scraped the gunk off my rear axle the other day and discovered the codes
"SR" stamped on 
>it.  According to the shop manual this denotes a standard 3.08 rear.
However, a 3.08 was not 
>available with 4 speed trannies, (minimum was a 3.23).  So I decide to
measure ratio by 
>turning the rear wheel.  The results don't add up though: 20 complete turns
of the driveshaft 
>resulted in 12 and 1/3 turns of the wheel.  This calculates to a ratio of
1.62, which can't 
>be right.  What am I doing wrong?  By the way, I'm turning around 2700 RPM
at 70 MPH, which 
>would indicate at least a 3.08 rear, according to some of the tables
published on this list. 
> 
>Todd Morris 
>71 442 
>
>
>
>Todd::  By the code on the diff  it is a 3.23 gear ratio...
         Thats  right out of the GM parts catalogue....
      
        Bruce      68 442
                   83 H/O
                   68 F-85
                   72 Cutlass
                   72 Delta 88
>
>

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 02:04:40 -0300
Subject: Re: 1997 Oldsmobile Indy Pace Car 

>
>          "Two years of negotiations reached fruition September 11 as
>          Carroll Shelby and Oldsmobile general manager John Rock
>          finally signed the paperwork to put an Olds 4.0 liter 32
>          valve V8 tuned to 350 horsepower into Shelby's modern
>
>          "The body design is set, with both coupe and roadster
>          configurations...   ...(expect photos of the new car within
>          a couple of weeks)."
>
>          "The goal of Shelby's project is to top the power-to-weight
>          ratio of Chrysler's Viper."

                    

                        YYYYESSSS!!!!!  :)
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: rebelxs <rebelxs@cadvision.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 03:04:56 -0300
Subject: FW: Rear End Ratio

- ----------
From: 	rebelxs[SMTP:rebelxs@cadvision.com]
Sent: 	Monday, September 23, 1996 10:02 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: Rear End Ratio

At 11:15 PM 9/23/96 -0300, you wrote:
> 
>I scraped the gunk off my rear axle the other day and discovered the codes
"SR" stamped on 
>it.  According to the shop manual this denotes a standard 3.08 rear.
However, a 3.08 was not 
>available with 4 speed trannies, (minimum was a 3.23).  So I decide to
measure ratio by 
>turning the rear wheel.  The results don't add up though: 20 complete turns
of the driveshaft 
>resulted in 12 and 1/3 turns of the wheel.  This calculates to a ratio of
1.62, which can't 
>be right.  What am I doing wrong?  By the way, I'm turning around 2700 RPM
at 70 MPH, which 
>would indicate at least a 3.08 rear, according to some of the tables
published on this list. 
> 
>Todd Morris 
>71 442 
>
>
>
>Todd::  By the code on the diff  it is a 3.23 gear ratio...
         Thats  right out of the GM parts catalogue....
      
        Bruce      68 442
                   83 H/O
                   68 F-85
                   72 Cutlass
                   72 Delta 88
>
>

------------------------------

From: rebelxs <rebelxs@cadvision.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 03:06:49 -0300
Subject: FW: Rear End Ratio

- ----------
From: 	rebelxs[SMTP:rebelxs@cadvision.com]
Sent: 	Monday, September 23, 1996 10:02 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: Rear End Ratio

At 11:15 PM 9/23/96 -0300, you wrote:
> 
>I scraped the gunk off my rear axle the other day and discovered the codes
"SR" stamped on 
>it.  According to the shop manual this denotes a standard 3.08 rear.
However, a 3.08 was not 
>available with 4 speed trannies, (minimum was a 3.23).  So I decide to
measure ratio by 
>turning the rear wheel.  The results don't add up though: 20 complete turns
of the driveshaft 
>resulted in 12 and 1/3 turns of the wheel.  This calculates to a ratio of
1.62, which can't 
>be right.  What am I doing wrong?  By the way, I'm turning around 2700 RPM
at 70 MPH, which 
>would indicate at least a 3.08 rear, according to some of the tables
published on this list. 
> 
>Todd Morris 
>71 442 
>
>
>
>Todd::  By the code on the diff  it is a 3.23 gear ratio...
         Thats  right out of the GM parts catalogue....
      
        Bruce      68 442
                   83 H/O
                   68 F-85
                   72 Cutlass
                   72 Delta 88
>
>

------------------------------

From: "Marvin Friesen" <gowest@mail.awinc.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 03:22:03 -0300
Subject: Dash lights in 1983 Delta 88

I've lost most dash lights and my brights indicator. I think the bulbs are
burned or loose. Every so often one of the lights or the brights will work
briefly.

Is there a way to get at them? This one looks like a major job. It looks
like it takes a contortionist to get behind the dash from below.

1976 Cutlass S (#1 Saddle Brown Metallic)
1976 Cutlass S (#2 Blue)
1983 Delta 88

Marvin Friesen
Prince Rupert, BC, Canada

------------------------------

From: "Marvin Friesen" <gowest@mail.awinc.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 03:26:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Support for Classic Olds Owners

I have found build sheets for both of my 76's tucked between the foam and
springs of the back seat (bottom cushion). I just felt around 'till I found
them. My
brother, a GM mechanic, told me where to look. 

The 2nd one was in rough shape. I guess the back seat was used a lot more.
When you find it, be gentle - the old paper is brittle.

Olds FAQ gives us Canadians another source for info "Vintage Vehicle
Services Limited" for cars built for Canadian market, even if built in USA.
1-800-263-3777
Has anyone paid the $42.80 for it? What did you think?

I am lucky enough to have a photocopy of the GM to dealer confirmation
complete with my name on it -  dated several weeks before it was built. (I
special ordered)
List price $6,473 CDN$ delivered. Paid $5,800.

1976 Cutlass S (#1 Saddle Brown Metallic)
1976 Cutlass S (#2 Blue)
1983 Delta 88

Marvin Friesen
Prince Rupert, BC, Canada


- ----------
> From: R Mullen <r_mullen@Merck.Com>

> 2)  Has anyone out there tried to obtain documentation for their  Olds
from 
> Lansing?  I recall reading in the FAQ's on Bryceman's page that post-'77
and 
> Canadian Oldsmobiles have window stickers/build sheets available. 

------------------------------

From: "Marvin Friesen" <gowest@mail.awinc.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 03:31:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Power seat parts

My problem in my Delta 88 sounds similar. Moves in some directions, spins
in one.

I assume one motor powers the whole thing so must be cable or gear problem
from tips I've read. 

If dealer does not have parts, should be enough wrecks out there for my
car.

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From: willie@MADNET.COM
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 04:02:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Power seat parts

OL>My problem in my Delta 88 sounds similar. Moves in some directions, spins
OL>in one.

OL>I assume one motor powers the whole thing so must be cable or gear problem
OL>from tips I've read.

OL>If dealer does not have parts, should be enough wrecks out there for my
OL>car.

Actually, I had a 1982 Pontiac Grand Prix with the 6-way power seat.
Mine went down FINE, but when it came to putting it up, it clicked.
Looked under the seat, and found the single motor that drove it with
about 4 cables (gear driven, similar to a speedometer cable).  Further
investigation showed me that one of the cables had come disconnected
from the rear lifter (looks like a little hydraulic jack, sorta).  I
reconnected it, and then, well, the electric motor in the seat went out,
so I sold the car. :P

- -Shane
This message sent from The Net BBS 608-221-5702.
Telnet address: bbs.madnet.com

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:57:10 -0300
Subject: Re: 1997 Oldsmobile Indy Pace Car

>          "The goal of Shelby's project is to top the power-to-weight
>          ratio of Chrysler's Viper."

...and we're off!  ...and runnin!   :)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:23:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Inane.Olds.Stories.Misc- Saturday and Oldsmobiles

Robert J. Barry wrote:
> 
> She's sweet, but still doesn't quite get it...

> ...and the right-side tailpipe exits just above where someone putting a 
> stroller in the car would put THEIR foot... :o

Looks like she got it that time, Bob

> Gotta get the rings and seals done on that 455!

Yup.  Way cheaper than alimony!

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:39:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Indy - Observation

JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com wrote:

> ...IRL was founded by Tony George, owner of the Indianapolis Motor
> Speedway, as a "lower cost" alternative to CART.  Since the Penskes et 
> al of CART wouldn't comply with IRL rules, Tony George "took his ball 
> and went home", starting a new "Indy Car" racing series to compete with 
> CART).

Got a lot of mixed emotions about this.  While I agree with George's 
supposed intent to lower the cost and bring in more competition, I'm not 
convinced his trying to shove his idea of what Indy racing should be down 
the throats of CART was such a good idea.  

Given George's considerable influence, it would seem that a bit more 
diplomacy could have gotten the job done with less bloodshed.  His 
apparent hurry in trying to get things changed ended up splintering the 
sport.  I can't agree his approach was in anybody's best interest except 
perhaps his own.

On the other hand, it'll be great to see Olds competing in another arena!

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:00:27 -0300
Subject: Motor VIN #

I finally found the VIN number for my '68 on the engine block and it matches
the VIN behind the windshield!!!:) But I still can't find the number from
the tranny. Any help in locating this number? Also,the oil filler tube does
not have the sticker on it any more. But there is a number stamped on the
tube that is not the same as the motor number. The Year One book says that
these numbers should match. Maybe the tube was changed? Any suggestions??
Thanks....

Brad '68 C/S Convt

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:29:28 -0300
Subject: Re: NE Olds Owners Meeting: Sat. OK?

> Time? Well, I suggested lunchtime this Saturday, 9/28, for a couple reasons.

I'll try to make it, will check with Da Boss's schedule.  Plus, Big Red
is kinda under the weather :P (charging probs, no time to look under the hood).

> So who'd like to go there, and maybe stop over at the Berejick Resto Shop if
> it is open? (Um, let's see, the moon is almost full, and there is a "t" in
> this month's name, and Scorpio is in line with Virgo... And of course the
> Red Sox are _still_ in the pennant chase...)

Yeah, every year I think, "They won't be breakin' me heart *this* year!",
and every year the BoSox find new ways to do it.... :)



Tim (Whose Wife Has Every BoSox Yearbook Since '68) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, nickname yet to be determined
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: "ROB MALLAND" <storm442@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:30:14 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: '77 442

CHRIS, Jason is right.. find a parts car from your year and use everything good
off of it. For '73-'77 442s, most of the car is a cutlass car with very little
442 stuff- so you should have no problem finding a decent parts car- and you
should be able to get a limited amount of non-parts car stuff (like carpet)
from an aftermarket supplier-right Jason?
- -Rob 
'73-442

>They are starting to crop up. You have a car from the forgotten years
>'73-'77 and aftermarket parts manufacturers haven't caught on to the idea
>that people fix these cars up. Best thing to do would be to find a parts car
>'77 442. I found a parts car 75 H/O to finish my 75 H/O. Talk about hard to
>find parts, the badges for my 442 aren't made anymore by the dealer or
>aftermarket. Seeing that only 886 Olds 442's  were made in 80 I had my
>doubts in the first place. Dealer told me that I would have to have them
>custom made...big $$$. 
>
>At 05:58 PM 9/23/96 -0300, Chris Blumenstein wrote:
>>can't find parts for my 442 wonder if you can help?
>>Thanks
>- - - - - - - - - - -
>Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
>88 Iroc Z/28.......................daily driver
>80 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.........show car
>75 Hurst/Olds W-25........restoration project
>74 Riviera Stage I 455...winter ride
>
>
>


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From: hitson@leadbelt.com (Roger Hitson)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:49:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Interesting Article

>Roger Hitson wrote:
>> 
>> >     I thought you folks would enjoy this automotive 
>> >     story BLAH, BLAH, BLAH
>
>> >     Comments anyone?
>> >
>> cool!
>
>Yeah, I got one: How about SNIP!
>
>The 66 Toro and Mike
>
>
>-- 
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
>
Sorry. Impulse overloaded brain. BTW, unless your car has a ghost writer, it 
must be a "funny " car. Always enjoy your posts, even when they scathe me.

Roger

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:50:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Thanks to Daniel Gulino

At 11:51 PM 9/23/96 -0300, R Mullen wrote:
>
>Dan,
>Thanks for sharing your experiences on the trail of your paperwork.  Sounds 
>like I have a good winter project ahead of me that will not result in 
>skinned knuckles.


Scott,

You're welcome.  Actually, I did the Jetstar 88 search all in one day, from
my telephone, calling title agency after title agency in county after county
following the car's ownership history backwards in time.  I hit a dead end
in 1980 when the title clerk told me that the earliest copy of the title she
had did _not_ have a previous title number on it.  She said that that meant
that the previous title had probably been lost and a new one had to be
created.  The earliest owner I came across lived in Dayton, Ohio and had
sold the car in November 1980.  I got that person's name from the title
clerk, and the name _was_ still in the Dayton phonebook.  But I never made
contact.  I called the phone number several times over the course of several
weeks, but there was never an answer.  I wrote to the address and included
an SASE, but I never heard back.  I suppose I could hire Philip Marlowe or
Sam Spade to go over there and knock on the door, but I don't want to
disturb them if they don't want to be disturbed.

With regard to the Delta 88, I mentioned that the original purchaser no
longer lived in the Trenton, New Jersey area (at least his name, Richard
Reaves, was not in the 1995 phone book).  Now I had purchased the car in
Orlando, Florida from what was supposedly the second owner.  _He_ said that
he had owned it for two years and had purchased it from the original owner
_in Florida_.  I therefore thought that perhaps the original owner had moved
to Florida in the early 80s.  So I went to the local library and did a
search using one of the CD-ROM-based telephone directories and looked for
all "Richard Reaves" entries who lived anywhere in the central Florida area.
I found two.  I wrote them both letters explaining who I was and the
information I was after.  I also included an SASE in each.  Well, I heard
back from one of them right away.  He was very friendly and apologized for
not being the particular Richard Reaves I was interested in.  I never heard
back from the other one, so I presume he wasn't the right one, either, but
who knows?  There's lots of reasons why he might not still be in the central
Florida area, not be in the phone book, etc. So, like my Jetstar 88 search,
this one came up a dead end, at least in the sense of making contact with
the original owner and perhaps getting some original paperwork. But I did at
least discover the name of the original owner and the name and location of
the original selling dealer and the date of the sale.

So now I just go on driving the '75 (the '64 has since been sold).  Maybe
I'll be at a car show one day and someone will come running up and say,
"hey, that looks just like the one my dad  (or uncle, grandfather, brother,
whatever) once owned," and maybe it will turn out to be the original owner
or his relative.



Dan





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Daniel A. Gulino
Associate Professor and Graduate Chairman
Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
Athens, Ohio  45701-2979
(614) 593-1495
(614) 593-0873 (fax)
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://www.ent.ohiou.edu/che/faculty/gulino.html
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