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oldsmobile-digest        Sunday, 29 September 1996     Volume 01 : Number 315


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From: Ken <rottin@coil.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 10:41:38 -0300
Subject: Anyone need 66 442 parts?

  I have a 66 442 Convertible I'm gutting to get the frame.  Any of you guys 
need anything off this beast before I fire up the torches? 

Ken 
Cleveland, Oh

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From: Steve Ochs <76057.1404@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 12:23:43 -0300
Subject: 307 vs 305 drag times

>     I'm not sure what this thread started out as, (I'm not gonna look
>either!) but I must poke my nose in here now...  Check out these pics I
>pulled in from my Olds in action mag a while back.  It never shows a time,
>but a pic's worth a thousand words, and I've got a feeling it's better than
>17:)  It sure ~looks~ capable/possible.  I have no ideas/info on this car
>other than what the pic says.  What do you think?

Good picture.  The thread started out as to whether a small block could turn 
mid
12's in stock form, i.e. original intake, exhaust, fuel system, etc.  There is
absoolutely no way, unless it is in the 1/8th mile.  I have seen Olds 307's 
turn
12-13's in the 1/4 but that is heavily modified.  Either way, I will take an
Olds small block over a ch*vy small block any day.  Steve

1976 Cutlass Salon 350
1982 Cutlass Supreme 307
1987 4-4-2 307 HO

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From: Steve Ochs <76057.1404@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 12:28:37 -0300
Subject: T-Top wetherstip replacement

> > Yes the gaskets are replaceable.  I will be replacing all my door gaskets
and
> t-top gaskets sometime early this summer.  If there is enough interest, I 
have
> access to a digital camera at work & could make a pictoral FAQ for how to
> change t-top and door gaskets (prep work, etc.).  I'll even make the mistakes
> first and bungle things once or twice to save you all the trouble!  :)
>

A pictorial FAQ would be great.  I replaced all of my weatherstripping last 
year
because of a leak that I had.  The factory weatherstripping is only glued with
thin stip along bottom.  On my 87 442, the wat would run acrross the glass top
to the center T-bar, run behind the weatherstrip, run to the front, and sit
under the trim.  I had to replace trim pieces including center T-bar,
wetherstripping, weatherstrip channels in front (spot welded in).  It was a 
long
job bu now no leaks whatsover.  The parts (right and left weatherstripping,
center T-bar/channel. left trim plate, right trim plate, left front
weatherstipping chanell, right weatherstripping channel; cost approx. $650 from
dealer.  Of course the alternative is a body shop at a cost of about $1500.  It
pays to do the job correctly the first time or the leaks and rust WILL come
back.  Steve
1976 Cutlass S
1982 Cutlass Supreme
1987 4-4-2

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From: Spud <spud@kudonet.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 13:04:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Electrical troubleshooting 

At 02:02 AM 9/30/95 -0300, Chase Clements Jr. wrote:

>        The car: '68 Olds Cutlass Supreme (4 door sedan, not cool, but i
>happen to LOVE IT), 350 engine, 2-speed auto transmission, 78K miles.

I am completely unfamiliar with this car, but here's my WAG.

>        The problem: The car runs and charges fine, but there truly is
>something fishy in the electrical system. Slip the car into drive, take 
>off,
>and the electrical system is dandy, the blinkers blink fast, the lights 
>are
>bright, etc.
>        BUT...tap the brake pedal and everything goes dim slightly. AND
>(here's the mystery)...there's a dull clicking sound that seems to be 
>coming
>from under the dash (or the engine compartment, but it's tough to hear 
>it
>when I go listening under the hood with the engine running).
>
>Thanks in advance: Chase Clements Jr., Cincinnati OH

Have you checked what the brake lights are doing while the noise is on?  Is
there even a hint of dimming of one or both in time with the clicking noise?
Do either of the front turns signal lights dimly glow?

The reason I'm asking is, the turn signal switch in the steering column is
interconnected with the brake light switch in such a way that the turn
signal for the side that's supposed to be blinking doesn't get a solid "ON"
when the brake pedal is pressed.  The clicking noise could be the turn
signal flasher can making a vague attempt to operate, but not really being
able to manage it becaue the brake lights are on and the turn signal switch
isn't solidly turned to one direction or the other.

Try fiddling with your turn signal switch by moving the arm slightly and
slowly in each direction with the brakes "ON" and listen to whether the
clicking noise is still there.  If it goes away, I'd say the mechanical
parts in the turn signal switch are crapola and it needs replacing.

If the clicking sound doesn't go away, it still could be the turn signal
switch, if a contact has come out of its position.  I had this happen on a
'64 Chevelle I had, though I don't remember the symptoms.

I know this isn't much help and is kind of like an old joke:

Scientist have found that only female mosquitos bite.  Conversely, male
mosquitos are the only one that buzz.  So, if you hear a mosquito buzzing
around, don't worry, it's just a male and can't bite you.  *But*, if you
hear nothing...



Spud     "Fart proudly."
'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
'73 Delta 88
'79 LeBaron

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 13:15:39 -0300
Subject: Olds Engineers 

 >>Who was/were the leading Olds engineer(s) from the muscle car 
>>era?  Given a name, a phone number can follow, then an email address.... 
>> What do all of you think?
>>Scott Mullen
>>'70 442

The Olds engineer responsible for most, if not all, of the "W" programs was a
fellow named Dale Smith.  He has long since retired.  At the 1987 Lansing
meet celebrating the 90th Olds anniversary, he was one of several engineers
there for an open discussion about Olds performance programs.  He was retired
status at that time. He was a very nice gentleman.

With a name like Dale Smith there must be a bunch of folks with that moniker.
 I even know another fellow with the same name.  My guess is he still lives
in the Lansing area if he was at that discussion, i.e. it was local for him.

I know he is the guy because I corresponded with him in 67 and again in the
early 70's.  He helped my racing expenses by sending me a Q-jet in 67 and a
W-30 aluminum manifold in '70. 

Bob Handren                               OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified                        '70 SX Convertible

Handren Associates, Inc.             Oviedo, FL
U.S. FDA Regulatory Affairs, 
Laser & Optical Radiation Safety  (407)365-6385

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 13:15:48 -0300
Subject: FL Registration Info 

If you ever look up '70 98 Convertibles, I'd sure like to know
what you find.  You will find me on the list, as my registration
is in Florida (Indialantic).

- -
- 
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
- --
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

Well Bob (good name!) I'll contact the guy with the lists and see what he
has.

Bob Handren                               OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified                        '70 SX Convertible

Handren Associates, Inc.             Oviedo, FL
U.S. FDA Regulatory Affairs, 
Laser & Optical Radiation Safety  (407)365-6385

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From: Chris Blumenstein <bluffin@netins.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:38:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Anyone need 66 442 parts?

Ken wrote:
> 
>   I have a 66 442 Convertible I'm gutting to get the frame.  Any of you guys 
need anything off this beast before I fire up the torches?
> 
> Ken
> Cleveland, Oh
>
>
>
>
>Will anything off of it fit my 77 442?  Thanks

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From: Chris Blumenstein <bluffin@netins.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:45:03 -0300
Subject: Re: '77 442

Chris Blumenstein wrote:
> 
> DrkSole@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > In a message dated 96-09-24 19:57:31 EDT, you write:
> >
> > >Subj:  '77 442
> > >Date:  96-09-24 19:57:31 EDT
> > >From:  bluffin@netins.net (Chris Blumenstein)
> > >Sender:        oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca
> > >Reply-to:      oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
> > >To:    oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca (olds)
> > >
> > >Does anyone have any idea where I can find a 77 442 or body parts for one
> > > I'am located in Iowa and have been unable to find anything for this car
> > >except for in California, Georgia, Kansas, and South Carolina need to
> > >find something closer to home.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Where are u at in Iowa, if you need body parts other that the front clip,
> > goto All makes auto farm in SE Des Moines, they've got a bunch of 75-77
> > Cutlasses down there, and 1 75 H/O.
> > DrkSole
> >  73 Cutlass Supreme
> >  DesMoines,IA
> >
> >
> >Can you give me alittle more information on this place phone # etc I'm 20 
miles south of Iowa City but on backroads can be in Des Moines in 1
> 1/2 hours   ThanksHey DrkSole are you there?  I'm still waiting for that 
info TIA

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:52:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Electrical troubleshooting

Spud wrote:
> 
> Have you checked what the brake lights are doing while the noise is on? 
> Is there even a hint of dimming of one or both in time with the 
> clicking noise? Do either of the front turns signal lights dimly glow?

Good point, Spudster.  Other than the dimmness mentioned.  Do all lights 
function as expected with headlights off, parking lights on, and with 
headlights on?

> The clicking noise could be the turn signal flasher can making a vague 
> attempt to operate, 

Hmmm... yeah.  Does this do the same thing with the motor running and 
when not running?

> ...listen to whether the clicking noise is still there.

If it does this with the motor not running, it almost certainly an 
electrical problem otherwise it may have a mechanical cause.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 13:19:00 -0300
Subject: E-mail Garbage

Several messages that were posted to the list have come to me looking like 
this:

eJ8+IioQAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAMAAwABBJAG

AM I the only one?  I'm sure it is in the translation of different E-mails, 
but I'm wondering if it looks like that before it even gets to me. 
 Sometimes it takes up a lot of space.  Just wondering if anyone else is 
getting them too.

Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

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From: Chris Blumenstein <bluffin@netins.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:31:12 -0300
Subject: 79 Olds

It needs alot of TLC anyone interested?

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From: "C. Clements" <clements@cinci.infi.net>
Date: Sat, 30 Sep 1995 14:30:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Electrical troubleshooting

buehner wrote:
> 
> >>        BUT...tap the brake pedal and everything goes dim slightly. AND
> >>(here's the mystery)...there's a dull clicking sound that seems to be
> >>coming
> >>from under the dash (or the engine compartment, but it's tough to hear
> 
>      I'm not ~too~ familiar with those cars, but I'll throw out a couple
> thoughts to ponder on, anyway.  First off, what are you considerring
> "tapping" the pedal?  Is it just enough to turn on the brake lights, or are
> you actually applying brake pressure?  Is the car moving at this point, or
> running?  Perhaps there is a problem with the brake booster (vacuum induced
> clicking noises?)  (I'm trusting that you've determined it is not mechanical 
problems from the wheels?)  Maybe try disconnecting the vacuum 
hose from the brake booster to see if that changes anything?  Does the car 
have Cruise Control?  Pressing the brake affects a vacuum switch on those 
systems, too.

	Well, when i said tapping, i meant just enough to activate the brake 
lights, moving or not. It doesn't have cruise control. But, when the car is 
running and in park, you can see the electrical variance in the lights....
they flicker just enough to be perceived (though the lights are plenty 
bright). 

>      As for going dim, that may well be normal.  All those brake lights in
> the back have to light up somehow, and it's not uncommon for them to put a
> strain on things.  If the charging system is good, I'd double check all the
> connections, and make sure all the grounds are in place (battery to block,
> body, and possibly frame)  and clean.  That is a crucial aspect to
> maintaining a good charging system. 

First on my list, then, because I recall seeing a posting on here not to long 
ago that said if you're having electrical problems, CHECK ALL YOUR GROUNDS. 

 Also (on this note...) did you know
> that ~the~ number one killer of batteries is vibration?  Batteries that
> aren't securely mounted down can shake, etc, and have a much lower life
> expectancy.
>      The only other noise producing item under the dash I can think of
> (Besides power lock relay, if it has one) would be the buzzer for the key
> switch/seat belts.  My 81 has fits with that every now and again.  It
> actually will click sometimes.  I don't know if the old buzzers had any
> succeptibility to that problem, though.

Yes, it has a buzzer. 

>      If this doesn't give you any clues, we'll try again, but it might help
> narrow things down a bit.  There are some missing details that leave a lot
> of ambiguity to the problem...
>      Good luck!
>      Oh, I just reread the first post.  Four doors can have their cool
> points:  Great sleeper potential.  A close friend has a 68 Pontiac Executive
> with a 400 that looks like Grandma's junk yard slob.  Kicks ass everywhere,
> tho!  Suprises a ~lot~ of people!  Besides, there's nothing wrong with
> four-doors, well, except for those other two doors!   :)
> 
>       Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
>       Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
>       Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
>       "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
>       "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
>              (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

And, thanks to all for the help - you've given me a lot to go on. This 
mailing list is the greatest for us "hacks"...

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From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 14:32:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Oil stoppers for rockers???

> I want to set my preload for the lifters while running the engine.
> What can I use?  I tried some product called Rocker Stoppers and
> they are not designed for my 67 Cutlass 330 rockers.  Any ideas?

    Yep, those are usually designed for Chevy or Ford motors.   

> All I want is something that wont allow oil to drip on the exhaust
> manifold while running.

   Take a old pair of Olds valve covers and cut a slot in the top.   Bolt 
them on and you sould have minimal oil leakage while you're tuning it.  
This works great on Chevy V8's and I6's....

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--  
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 14:44:36 -0300
Subject: October '96 Classic Auto Restorer

If anyone's interested, the cover of the October issue of Classic Auto 
Restorer features a '62 Starfire.  The main point of the article is about 
the difficulty in locating "all that chrome trim."



Dan Gulino

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From: Chris Blumenstein <bluffin@netins.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:57:59 -0300
Subject: Re: E-mail Garbage

jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com wrote:
> 
> Several messages that were posted to the list have come to me looking like
> this:
> 
> eJ8+IioQAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAAMAAwABBJAG
> 
> AM I the only one?  I'm sure it is in the translation of different E-mails,
> but I'm wondering if it looks like that before it even gets to me.
>  Sometimes it takes up a lot of space.  Just wondering if anyone else is
> getting them too.
> 
> Jeff Zeilmann
> SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
> '68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S ConvertibleMy end hasn't received 
anything like that.

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:01:38 -0300
Subject: Re: E-mail Garbage

jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com wrote:
> 
> Several messages that were posted to the list have come to me looking 
> like this:
> 
> J8+IioQAQaQCAAEAAAAAAABAAEAAQeQBgAIAAAA5AQAAAAAAADoAAENgAQAAgAAAA...

That's exactly what we we're discussing.

> AM I the only one?

Everyting fine here.   ...really!

The 66 T*r% and Mik^&^&*()     ;)


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 13:59:00 -0300
Subject: Kanter / P.S.T.

Just an FYI:
I just received my Deluxe Front End Suspension Kit from Kanter yesterday, 
and to my surprise, all of the parts came from a company called PST 
(Performance Suspension Technology).  Even the front and rear anti-sway bar 
had their stickers on them (Although, Kanter tried to place their stickers 
over PST's sticker).  I've seen a lot of that, like with Year One, where 
although they list all the parts and products as their own, they actually 
get most of them from someone else.  Although Kanter has been good to me, I 
thought I'd let you guys know what's up.  If you were thinking about getting 
any suspension parts, you might want to check out what they have to offer 
first.  Also, if you buy anything through Kanter, and you are wanting a lot 
of stuff, I recommend you to buy it all at once.  The reason being you will 
save boo-koo money on shipping.  Shipping is 10% of the order total, with a 
maximum of $30.00.  So, once you go over $300.00, the shipping for anything 
beyond that, cost you nothing.  In other words, you can have an order for 
$1000.00, and only pay $30.00 for shipping. Not bad!   And don't forget to 
clip the $10.00 Preferred customer coupon out of the front of Kanters 
catalog.
Here is the information on PST:

Performance Suspension Technology
P.O. Box 396
Montville, NJ  07045
1-800-247-2288
201-299-8019
Fax: 201-299-6377
Web Site:  http://www.p-s-t.com
E-mail address for free catalog:  SMTP:catalog@p-s-t.com
Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 15:52:22 -0300
Subject: Parts sources 

I've been meaning to post these two places for awhile - they've advertised
before in Journey with Olds before, but I've had good luck with both in
locating needed parts for the Vista Cruiser.  Richard's Rocket Ranch - ' a
country home for wayward and orphaned '68 4-4-2's' is an all Olds boneyard.
He has 5-6 V-C's on hand and lots of parts.  He's had all interior parts
I've asked about which could/would interchange with those Cutlass' in some
ways - lots of colors (including my mud brown).  His phone is 416/775-OLDS
and he's in Ontario Canada.  Locally there is Originality Plus, Rancho
Cucamonga CA, while they were more expensive than Richard (incl. shipping!)
they have had all I asked about too - trim & such.  They are at 909/945-5466.

Just General Information 
Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/lisa.htm


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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 16:37:16 -0300
Subject: Administrivia

I'm a little nervous about this - today I received a message from CCN, the
home of the Olds list, telling me that they are changing their domain
name. The change is to take place on October 1st at 8:00AM Eastern. 

The new name is chebucto.ns.ca and therefore the address for list mail 
will become oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca, while subscribes and unsubscribes 
will need to be sent to majordomo@chebucto.ns.ca - although they indicate 
that the existing addresses will continue to work. We'll see... these 
changes in the past have caused no end of problems here. 

Anyway, please bear with us on Tuesday while all of this goes on. In 
addition to the new IP name, they are also changing their connection to 
the Internet at the same time so Oldsmobile will be down for a time. The 
last time they did this we were still recovering a week later. Hope it 
goes more smoothly this time. 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
<keeping his fingers crossed for Tuesday>

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From: Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 17:51:46 -0300 
Subject: Re: 120MPH Speedo...

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)


>>     Well, if anyone finds a source for a 120mph speedo in like-new
>>     condition, let me know!
>>
>>     Tom Lentz
>>     tlentz@teknon.com

>I seem to remember one of my old Hot Rod magazines listing a supplier that
>sells 120 mph speedos for m*nty c@rlos. (either that or c@m@ros, I can't
>remember.  It's terrible to be senile at 19.)  They even sell 250 kph
>speedos for Canadians.  Will a monte speedometer fit your `84 HO?  If it
>will I'll try and find the issue in question and get the name and locale of
>the supplier for you.  It may take awhile, the magazines are back at the
>house and in no particular order.  (I'm in college 30 miles from home by the
>way,  I usually get home once a week.)

Back in my dark past known as the Chevy years I had a '88 Monte Carlos SS.
Somewhere at home I have a Hot Rod article about hopping up these cars.
One tip was to buy the Canadian spedo unit, black out the words km/hr
and with a gear change, presto, 160Mph speedometer.

I had mine out once, to change the bulbs (turned out to be the spring clip
to pcb weakness deal).  What a pain to remove.  The speedo had the
PRNDL painted on the bottom and since they were using the
TH-200-4R (since 85!) they just bolted a new plate over that with
the correct PRNOD21 markings.  Problem was, one screw to get
the plate off was behind the indicator, which had a screw behind the
speedo.  Interesting to disassemble.

And on a different subject (to insure Olds content :-)  Andy implied
that clocks in '72 A bodies were difficult to remove.  On my '70
you remove the woodgrain trim and the clock (or tach/clock)
comes out the front with only removing three screws.
Maybe Pontiac's were more difficult.

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-speed

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 18:47:46 -0300
Subject: engine help (non-olds content!) 

Please reply to me by e-mail as this is not an olds topic but I need help
from the expert mechanics on the list. I just purchased an 81 Camaro with a
Chevy 262 (3.8L) It has set for 2 years and I am having trouble keeping it
running. It will crank over and start, then die about 5 seconds after it
runs. There is fuel pressure into the carb, fuel filter was removed, new
gas, etc. We even pour gas down the carb and it starts righ t up, then dies
about 5 seconds after. Seems like it is fuel starved? When it does run it
runs smooth. Any help out there as to why it won't stay running? I need to
get this running.... Thanks all.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-body list since: 5/95
88 Camaro Iroc-Z/28 Cross-Fire 305/TH-350...daily driver
81 Camaro....soon to be TPI 383/3spd...street/strip car
80 Olds 4-4-2 W-30  350/TH-350...show car
75 Hurst/Olds W-25 350/TH-350...restoring now

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 14:59:26 -0300
Subject: (no subject)

UNSUBSCRIBE OLDSMOBILE-LIST
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MZ=90

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From: DrkSole@aol.com
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 21:11:57 -0300
Subject: Re: '77 442 

In a message dated 96-09-28 12:48:02 EDT, you write:

>> >
>> >
>> >Can you give me alittle more information on this place phone # etc I'm 20
>miles south of Iowa City but on backroads can be in Des Moines in 1
>> 1/2 hours   ThanksHey DrkSole are you there?  I'm still waiting for that
>info TIA
>
>
>
>


All Makes Auto Farm
800 SE ST
Des Moines, IA
515-265-3023
to get there, turn south at the corner of SE30 and University ave.(NW corner
of state fair grounds), head south over the bridge until you get to Sam's
Riverside(can't miss it on the left, very big sign) and turn left(east).
AllMakes is straight ahead. 
DrkSole
 73 Cutlass Supreme

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From: brett@actel.com
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 23:29:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicago Olds list

     Jeff,
     
        As I last left it, there was some difficulty in getting everybody 
together at an acceptable time.  I proposed a week ago that we go ahead with 
next Sunday.  I saw no comments for or against.  I am still game for Sunday.  
Let's hear from everybody.  How about suggestions for alternate times for a 
meet
if the game is still a show stopper?  
        To reiterate the current plan, it is to meet at the Schaumburg 
Fuddrukkers on Golf Road West of Rt. 53.          

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Subject: Re: Chicago Olds list
Author:  Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com at SMTPlink-Actel
Date:    9/28/96 3:52 PM


>Please ignore this last message.  I accidently pressed "send".
     
>David Brown
     
Now that you mention it, is this still on for next Sunday?  I havent seen 
any real confirmation, and those New England guys are using our meeting 
as a reason to push their own get-together.
     
- -Jeff "looking for any excuse to drive the 442" Easton 
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Sat, 28 Sep 1996 22:03:38 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicago Olds list 

>     Jeff,
>     
>        As I last left it, there was some difficulty in getting everybody 
>together at an acceptable time.  I proposed a week ago that we go ahead with 
>next Sunday.  I saw no comments for or against.  I am still game for Sunday.  
>Let's hear from everybody.  How about suggestions for alternate times for a 
meet
>if the game is still a show stopper?  
>        To reiterate the current plan, it is to meet at the Schaumburg 
>Fuddrukkers on Golf Road West of Rt. 53.          

We beat you all! 

Roger, Steve, Brad, and Mike.

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 00:08:23 -0300
Subject: I'm back...

I'm back from Chicago...

I thought Detroit traffic was bad, you just never know how good you have 
it!

I was worried for awhile before I left, during a update procedure to my 
system software, my computer crashed, crashed hard to boot. It all 
happened just hours before my week-long trip to the Windy City so I 
gathered up 682 messages once I got back home and got it all fixed. I'm 
thankful my mailbox at Netcom holds 5.5 MB's of info.

On to Olds specific stuff...

I saw a 1988 Eighty Eight Broughm For Sale today. Asking price is $3000. 
The car is loaded with 109,000 miles (2nd owner from Florida), rust free, 
original white paint (somewhat still shiny), blue interior VERY good 
(considering age or otherwise), all in all, a solid #2 condition car. I'm 
thinking that this is a good deal at that price, what do you folks think?


Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 00:08:20 -0300
Subject: Just the FAQ's!

I found an interesting book today while "rummaging" at my mother-in-laws 
estate sale. The name of the book is "GM - The First 75 Years of 
Transportation Products". It is Copyright 1983 and is in its second 
printing. The book is interesting but a notable feature is that it has 
Total Vehicle Production of every division of GM from 1908 to 1982.

I thought that the information on Olds Total production volume may be of 
some use in the Olds FAQ. I can send this info if anyone cares to know...

Regards,
Mike Hall


Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 02:35:34 -0300
Subject: Re: Administrivia

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> 
> The new name is chebucto.ns.ca 

Meaning... ???

> In addition to the new IP name, they are also changing their connection 
> to the Internet at the same time so Oldsmobile will be down for a time. 

What not through in a major operating system upgrade while their at it?

Rotsa Ruck, Greg.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 01:03:23 -0300
Subject: Water pump finally done

Well thanks to all for their advice/suggestions on the water pump
replacement (Robert, David, Brad, Chris, Fernando, Andrew).  Finally got
the thing finished this afternoon, mostly delayed for only having a couple
of hours per day to work on it (I am slow/too careful).  The water pump was
very easy, no problems.  The main problem was with the fuel pump, or
rather, having to bend a new pipe from the pump to the carb.  The
replacement pump I bought had enough of a different angle for the fuel
outlet that the old pipe didn't fit, especially after I kinked it trying to
force it into place.  

I will be taking the old pump to get rebuilt so as to keep the car's
original parts (as David suggested). I fully expect the 74 Ninety-Eight to
be the year 2010's must-have collectable (sarcasm evident ... ??). 
Although always a bit frustrating, I remembered today how much fun it is to
work on cars (nothing much has gone wrong with this one for over a year
before this).  It almost made me wish it broke down more often so I could
spend more time fixing it.

Anyway thanks again for the useful advice.

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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From: Chris Blumenstein <bluffin@netins.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 05:32:21 -0300
Subject: Re: engine help (non-olds content!)

Jason Labay wrote:
> 
> Please reply to me by e-mail as this is not an olds topic but I need help
> from the expert mechanics on the list. I just purchased an 81 Camaro with a
> Chevy 262 (3.8L) It has set for 2 years and I am having trouble keeping it
> running. It will crank over and start, then die about 5 seconds after it
> runs. There is fuel pressure into the carb, fuel filter was removed, new
> gas, etc. We even pour gas down the carb and it starts righ t up, then dies
> about 5 seconds after. Seems like it is fuel starved? When it does run it
> runs smooth. Any help out there as to why it won't stay running? I need to
> get this running.... Thanks all.
> - - - - - - - - - - -
> Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-body list since: 5/95
> 88 Camaro Iroc-Z/28 Cross-Fire 305/TH-350...daily driver
> 81 Camaro....soon to be TPI 383/3spd...street/strip car
> 80 Olds 4-4-2 W-30  350/TH-350...show car
> 75 Hurst/Olds W-25 350/TH-350...restoring now
>  We suggest you rebuild the carb., it sounds like the needles stuck or
 get a different carb.  Good Luck
 By the way if your people that want your 442's back out don't forget
 about us. 
   77 silver/black 442
   79 c/s unrestored need TLC

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From: Chris Blumenstein <bluffin@netins.net>
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 05:47:30 -0300
Subject: 77 442

Hi again I'm sure you're sick of this, but I still need those 77 442 
parts.
I have a guy who found a header w/o the grills, so I still need the
passenger side grill.  He also found both bumpers and trunk lid  So I
still need a Hood and driver side fender and mirror

TIA



TIA

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 05:07:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Does anyone know this guy? (Mich area) 

>Well you are in luck.  I have met Jack and Don.  They have a 83 H/O that runs
>10's with a 307.  Jack McCormick owns a performance tire store here in
>Lincoln
>Park, Michingan.  About every 4 years here enters his race car in the Detroit
>
>Autorama, and I have talked to him extensively.  He just opened a second
>store
>here in MI, so his time is very limited.  The name of  his stores are
>Jack McCormick Racing performance tires and rims.  I the next few weeks I 
>will be running into old Jack, and I will ask him about  surfing the net.
> Now Jack is 
>racing ford Mustangs, due to FoMoCo are giving him the cars.
     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

     OUCH!  Well, I still think he's paying too much for THEM!  :)  10's,
huh?  Cool!
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 05:07:41 -0300
Subject: Re: 307 vs 305 drag times 

>Good picture.  The thread started out as to whether a small block could
turn mid
>12's in stock form, i.e. original intake, exhaust, fuel system, etc.  There is
>absoolutely no way, unless it is in the 1/8th mile.  I have seen Olds 307's
turn
>12-13's in the 1/4 but that is heavily modified. 
     
     In case you didn't catch this other message, I'll give a quick quote
about the car in that pic:
>
>Well you are in luck.  I have met Jack and Don.  They have a 83 H/O that runs
>10's with a 307.  Jack McCormick owns a performance tire store here in
>Lincoln
>Park, Michingan.... 
>
     I'm impressed, anyway!  I don't know much about how modified his is, 
tho...

 Either way, I will take an
>Olds small block over a ch*vy small block any day.  Steve

     Good answer, but don't exclude the big brothers, either.  Ya know,
theres no replacement for displacement!
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: pnelson@cyberport.net (Nelson)
Date: Sun, 29 Sep 1996 12:39:10 -0300
Subject: Parts I need um 

I wiped the motor last night at the track.  I guess I finally figured out
how long a 425 will run at 5500rpm. I haven't torn the block down and I am
fairly sure it is still ok.  What I am looking for it a place to get
new/used parts.  I would love to have a second motor in a glad lock on the
floor.  All I really have to trade with is a Buick 430 so I expect to buy
out right.
Thanks
Kenneth
Kalispell Montana.

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