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Subject:	oldsmobile-digest V1 #311


oldsmobile-digest       Wednesday, 25 September 1996    Volume 01 :
Number 311


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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:10:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Interesting Article

Roger Hitson wrote:
>
> Sorry. Impulse overloaded brain.

No problem, pal.

> BTW, unless your car has a ghost writer, it must be a "funny " car.

It is.  Though more often "strange" funny rather than "ha-ha" funny.

> Always enjoy your posts, even when they scathe me.

Oops.  Didn't mean to scathe -- I hate that!

The 66 Toro (the funny one) and Mike (the scathing one)


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Allen_R_MONROE@umail.umd.edu (am39)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:59:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Power seat parts

>I need power seat part for a '70 olds 442 with a power BENCH seat.  It
>doesn't want to go front to back.  It makes a buzzing noise and tries
to >move the seat, but just doesn't have the effort.  I think I need
new >motors.  What do you think? >Where do I find parts.  I looked in
Year One and they didn't have any. >Thanks >Brad


I might have what you need. I have (somewhere) the power stuff from a 68
442 with power bench. It worked fine when removed. I just don't know if
the 68 and 70 power seat guts are the same. >

Allen R. MONROE
Email:am39@umail.umd.edu
69 & 73 H/O

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From: ImaLsrBaby@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:04:00 -0300
Subject: Re: 1970 442

Hey:

     There are plenty of Olds documents out there, and plenty of
suppliers of new and used parts.

     Here's a list of names and numbers I have compiled on my road to
restoring my 1970 Cutlass Rag Top.

     Year One Inc.  1(800) 950-9503  Catalog available

      Fusic Automotive  1(860) 623-1583  Catalog avialable

      Hall's Salvage  1(913) 924-3748  Used parts

      A&M Soff Seal  1(800) 426-0902  Catalog available (rubber
products)

      USA Parts Supply 1(800) 872-2013  Catalog available

      Tamraz's Parts Discount Whse 1(630) 904-4500  Catalog available

      Berejik Motors  (GM dealer in MA)  1(617) 444-4797  They have
everything

      Dolbles Cheverolet Manchester,NH  1(603) 669-8480  you will need
the GM pn#

      Classic Cutlass  1(941) 365-3023

      Mark Cornea Reproductions
      P.O. Box 748
      Dearborn Hgts, MI  78127-0748    These guys are the suppliers of
all the
                                                         above co's
decals. Mark Cornea is
                                                         liscensed by GM
to produce decals.
                                                         send $2.00 for
catalog

       The Parts Place 1(708) 879-1600

       Brothers Automotive 1(816) 662-2060   Catalog available

       Bob Anderson Automotive  1(813) 932-4611

       The Auto Ranch  Sanger, TX  1(817) 482-3007  Used parts

        And finally check out the "Hemming Motor News"  publication at
any book store.

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:05:58 -0300
Subject: Taxation and Title Searches

On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Mike Frederick wrote:
> Graham Stewart wrote:
> > Up here in Ontario, the government has declared that all used car
sales > > are taxed on the Red Book values (book detailing general
market values > > for years and makes of cars), no matter what you paid
for it. > > Whoa!  Taxation without representation.

This thread strikes close to home. My work for the last year has been as
 project manager for something called Personal Property Registry Reform
 and it centers around the used car market and the provincial DMV. A
little background:

Up here the DMV does the same thing with collecting tax on red book
wholesale values rather than on the price stated on the bill of sale.
Why? As someone else said, it had become standard practice here to
obtain two receipts from the seller, one with the real price and one
with the price you wanted to pay tax on. That was costing the govrnment
millions of dollars and wasn't fair to theose folks who were honestly
reporting purchase prices. So in the absence of a better alternative,
they adopted the red book system. I don't work in the DMV but know
people who do, and they just got tired of fighting cases of obvious
abuse, i.e. the guy who walks in to register a '94 NSX with a price tag
of $5K; "in a wreck," he sez...

We also have the option of getting an appraisal done if you disagree,
but as was stated that really isn't useful if you're talking cars at the
low end of the scale. I tend to think this way of setting sale values
isn't very good either but can't find a better option. Maybe the list
could come up with something.

> > You are also required to pay $20 for a "Used Vehicle Information
Kit" > > which lists previous owners, before any change of title will
be > > allowed. > > Sounds like a title search done on real estate.

<serious mode on>

This is the thing I am working on, and it's exactly what Mike described.
 Without any computerized records, you're taking a gamble here every
time you buy a used car that there's an outstanding lien that you don't
know about. Result: you could lose you car if the original lender
defaults. Every year we see dozens of stories like these where people
get stung, often for big bucks.

When we get these records automated, you'll be able to do a search
instantaneously for a fee. I hear that the DMV is considering doing this
in conjunction with every used vehicle transfer, along with providing a
package of info about previous owners, etc. It would cost a little more,
but I think it is cheap insurance. I know if I was laying out $10K for
my dream '71 SX convertible that I would want to know if the guy who I'm
buying it from financed the restoration by pledging the car as
collateral, and if he did, I'd make darn sure I got a letter from the
bank saying they had no financial interest in *my* car before (or
simultaneously with) I signed over the cheque. Every time I've explained
the current situation to someone who has concerns about what we're
doing, they turn around and support the idea. You wouldn't buy a house
without doing a title search, and with car prices these days the idea is
applicable there also.

I would advise you not to confuse the title search fee with the taxation
 based upon book value issue, they are two very separate things.

<serious mode off>

Some folks who know me say that the real reason I took this job is to
establish contacts with used car dealers and the especially the DMV, so
that in a little while I can call them up and have them do a few
searches of their database for, um, shall we say, interesting cars...
"say, Martha, can you do a little query for me? Year 1971, make
Oldsmobile, model 442, body style convertible... list their locations
and owner names and phone numbers for me, will you?"

Of course, I would *never* abuse my position like that... wouldn't be
prudent... :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

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From: Steven Larry Cannon <slcannon@uncc.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:10:19 -0300
Subject: Flowmaster's

I am running Flowmasters (duals out of the catalytic convertor).  They
are 2.5 in/out and have dump exits at the rear axle.  The car has a 305
with an r.v. cam.  They fit fine on this car and sound great.  The only
problem I have had is that they have a tendency to set off car alarms in
parking lots. Once you get up to highway speed they have a nice sound,
but not too loud. If you want to part numbers let me know.

Steve

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From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:31:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Still making W-41's? -Reply

>This is an Achieva SCX (W41) made during 1992 & 93.  Kind of scarce,
>I think.

Yeah, that's what it is!  I checked it out last night.  Man, what a
sweet looking car!  Does anyone know the specs on them (C.I.D., HP,
etc.)?

- -Blaine

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 11:19:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Power seat parts

>I need power seat part for a '70 olds 442 with a power BENCH seat.  It
>doesn't want to go front to back.  It makes a buzzing noise and tries
to >move the seat, but just doesn't have the effort.  I think I need
new >motors.  What do you think?

[Hi, gang! I'm back! The Barney concert in St. Louis was great! :-)
Details to follow...]

I think you might try to narrow it down to whether the problem is
with the motor(s) or with the drive. Personally I'd guess, based on
past experience, that the motor is gunked up, but if you feel
adventurous you could open it up and see. What follows is _really_
generalized.

You'll need to get access to under the seat, but depending on the
mounts you may need only to release the front mounts and loosen the
back ones enough to just rock the seat back, as opposed to having to
drag the entire seat out. Then unbolt the motor, unplug the harness,
unhook the drive cable(s) and pull it out.

The problem I had sounded the same as yours, and it turned out that
the motor had a major buildup of carbon dust around the armature from
wear and tear on the brushes, and (apparently) this dust was shorting
out the motor and preventing it from turning. The end cap with brushes
was removable after a couple of long bolts were unscrewed, and I used
a vacuum to pull the worst of the dust out, followed by a blast of
brake cleaner spray, a drop of oil on the shaft, and reassembly. Worked
like a champ afterwards.

For the record, this was on a 1980 Bonneville power bench seat. YMMV.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:39:02 -0300
Subject: Detective Work

Interesting post on trying to find original information on a car.

For our SX we were had some interesting "paperwork" that came with the
car.
 No window sticker but the original manual and an old transfer receipt
told us the original owner, dealer, etc.  The third owner infromation
was on "paper" OK but not the usual kind.  This guy he made sure that
anyone that did any work requiring an interior panel to be removed would
know who it was his car.

Using a large black marker this guy wrote in 3" high letters his entire
name and address on every interior side panel (front door, rear kick).
Unusal at least.

We've never tried to contact any of these people.  No real important
reason and it's not likely they are still at the addresses shown.

There's another reason too.  Maybe we don't want to know.  We bought the
car from my wife's cousin's son.  He is a real squirrel.  One of the
strange things I noticed when we were looking at the car was that he was
using a current dealers license plate.  Several months after we bought
the car from him we learned that the plate was stolen and he went to the
slammer for a year or so on that and other charges.

Since the car went through title OK we may not want to know the rest of
it's history!

Bob Handren                               OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified                        '70 SX Convertible

Handren Associates, Inc.             Oviedo, FL
U.S. FDA Regulatory Affairs,
Laser & Optical Radiation Safety  (407)365-6385

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:39:13 -0300
Subject: FlowMaster Mufflers

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 12:03:00 -0300
Subject: FLOWMASTERS ANYONE??

A few days ago I posted a note asking for advice on Flowmaster mufflers
for my '70 442.  No responses to date.  Doesn't anybody out there use
Flowmaster mufflers on their Olds? Scott Mullen '70 442

*****************
From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Sep 1996 18:06:59 -0300
Subject: Re: FLOWMASTERS ANYONE??

I have the 3 chamber crossflow style on my Z/28. Nice mean sound but not
too loud like the 2 chamber. On my 442 I have a Flowtech Terminator
crossflow muffler with 2.5" in and outs. It is much quieter than the
flowmaster upon acceleration and idle but has more of a deeper tone to
it. Also with the flowtech I hear alot more low subtle backfire when
letting off the gas if I wind it out in 1st or 2nd (sounds real mean
actually). I don't get that with the Flowmaster on my Z/28. Overall I
prefer the sound of the flowmaster although the quietness of the
flowtech terminator is nice. ************* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Hey Scott:

 I second Jason's comment about the 2-chamber being too loud.  My '67
has 3-chamber and 3" pipes throughout.  It sounds great although there
are times (such as on a long drive) when I would appreciate something a
little quiter.
 Worth the price when I get so many compliments on how mean the car
sounds.
 No worse than the "glass-paks" of olden lore and they don't wear out
and get louder and louder and ......

I'm very happy with the FlowMasters.  But there are other good mufflers
out there too.

Bob Handren                               OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified                        '70 SX Convertible

Handren Associates, Inc.             Oviedo, FL
U.S. FDA Regulatory Affairs,
Laser & Optical Radiation Safety  (407)365-6385

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 12:39:10 -0300
Subject: Numbers Match

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 10:00:27 -0300
Subject: Motor VIN #

I finally found the VIN number for my '68 on the engine block and it
matches the VIN behind the windshield!!!:) But I still can't find the
number from the tranny. Any help in locating this number? Also,the oil
filler tube does not have the sticker on it any more. But there is a
number stamped on the tube that is not the same as the motor number. The
Year One book says that these numbers should match. Maybe the tube was
changed? Any suggestions?? Thanks....

Brad '68 C/S Convt

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Brad:

The number on the oil filler tube is a building sequence number for the
engine and does -not- match the VIN.

The number on the trans in on the trans case rail just above the pan.
Don't remember which side but there's only two. :-)

Bob Handren                               OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified                        '70 SX Convertible

Handren Associates, Inc.             Oviedo, FL
U.S. FDA Regulatory Affairs,
Laser & Optical Radiation Safety  (407)365-6385

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From: Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 13:09:03 -0300
Subject: Re: '70 442 W30 (pretty long)

From: "Michael Calvo" <mcalvo@hologic.com>

>     I'm hoping to have the money to paint it this winter and I plan on
>     returning it to the original burnished gold, but what I found to
be >     really unusual is the car was ordered as a stripe delete, kinda >
different.

Never seen one of those before.  Does the delete also mean the
W-30 badges were deleted?

How did you know it was a stripe delete?  Do you have the build
sheet or window sticker?

- -Jeff


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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:01:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Still making W-41's? -Reply

On 24 Sep 96 at 12:31, Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:

> >This is an Achieva SCX (W41) made during 1992 & 93.

> sweet looking car!  Does anyone know the specs on them (C.I.D., HP,
> etc.)?

Blaine -

Its a 2.3L DOHC Quad4 with 185-195 BHP (depends on year) - Limited
Slip diff, 30 MPG, cost around 16K+ and so on.  Meyer Stolberg (if he
is still here) has a W-41 Quad442 and could gove some more specs...

If you need more info, I have some at home and can get it for you...

Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442

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From: Doug Ahern <doug@cobra.cosmic.uga.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:15:06 -0300
Subject: Re: FLOWMASTERS ANYONE??

this was posted to either this list or a mopar list to which I also
subscribe.  The general read I got on the flowmasters from that
discussion and this article is that the 2 chamber FM's are pretty
loud, but offer minimal back pressure.  They aren't cheap either.
Sonic turbos are less than half the price of a Flowmaster, and come
very close to providing the same amount of performance.  Hedman and
Hooker are cheaper too, but the FM did buy this 454 5hp over all the
other mufflers except the Borlas$$$ and the Walker Hemi turbo.

remember to have an "H" cross over pipe constructed 12"-20" pass the
header collectors.  2 1/2"'s back to the mufflers and either 2"
or 2 1/2" (if you have the room) back to the bumper.


- ----From the Hot Rod magazine article in the January 1992 entitled
Merrie Melodies(tm) (pages 55-58)

*The engine used for the dyno testing was a Mark V 7.4 Chevy rat
motor(454ci) with 8.75:1 compression.
*The sound pressure reading  was taken at 2800rpm and 17 inches of
manifold vacuum to simulate a typical highway cruise situation.  The
reading was taken with the dB meter 12 feet from the end of the exhaust
pipes.  The article states that the decible reading is meant to compare
the mufflers with one another and the readings are not a direct
indication of how loud the mufflers will be installed on a car since
sound varies with different pipe sizes, muffler localtion, outlet
location, the direction the outlets are poiting, etc.  The article says
that a nomal conversation is 60dB, a busy intersection will run about 75
dB, and a steel mill  can reach 130 dB. The article says that as a
measure of intensity, every 14 dB increase doubles the intensity of the
sound.
    Keep in mind that SAE standards evaluates drive-by noise  with a dB
meter located 100 feet away from a car traveling at wide open throttle
perpendicular to the dB meter.  Hot Rod's decibel test was in a closed
room with the dB meter 12 feet from the outlet; less than a car legnth
away. *The mufflers were attatched to a  2 1/2 inch diameter full street
exhaust system.  Including bends simulating a full over-the-axle system.
No H-pipe was used.


#All peak torque values were measured at 3500 rpm.  All peak hp values
are measured at 5250 rpm exept the /lerator muffler @ 5000 rpm.

Muffler                 peak tq/hp      back-pressure   soundpressure
                                        (psi)           (db)
-
------------------------------------------------------------------------
--- header&openpipe         467/419         0               115 AP
Xlerator 212212      469/411         1.95            105 borla
40595             474/419         0               114 borla 40600
474/420         0               112 Flow--master 42550HP    472/415
1.45            110 Hedman                  462/405         2.14
104 Hooker21106             468/410         1.84            110.5
 ThrushCVX 46152         471/410         0               109
Thrush 44132 tough
   truck turbo          473/413         1.45            103
Thrush sonic turbo      467/409         1.14            108
Super Trapp 5452519     461/400         1.43            112
Walker super turbo      470/410         1.2             108.5
Walker hemi super turbo 473/412         0.9             100.5



Doug Ahern      doug@cosmic.uga.edu  1964 F-85 Cutlass
http://www.cosmic.uga.edu/doug.html  1969 Dart
Sys Admin, COSMIC, Univ. of Georgia  1974 Satellite ex-cop car

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:18:11 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: FW: Support for Classic Olds Owners

I was pretty disappointed to see that GM's official restoration support
for Olds were coil springs!  But you can get the Nov. '65 oil filter
sticker for a Smoke Block Ch*vy!  The _Aids for the Olds Enthusiast_ is
free, w/lots of sources. Get it!

David Brown          OCA #27978         (312) 702-9157
    Check out: www.442.com      www.oldsmobile.com
               FAQ version 2.0 due soon!

- ----------
The catalog is worthless!!!  Of 265 pages, 22 pages have Oldsmobile
parts and 90% of those are coil springs.  It does reference several
companies that are licensed to manufacture certain Olds parts.

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:54:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Taxation and Title Searches

Greg,

Agree completely with the title search idea for vehicles and for the
reasons you cite...

BUT...

I'll always have a problem with government when, even for the best of
intentions, takes the approach that everyone is guilty of cheating and
therefore everyone must prove their innocence.  "Sorry, your a citizen
and we can't trust you."

We all know that the double bill of sale thing is a common practice
however consider the other side of the coin:  The sales tax was already
paid on that vehicle when it was bought new.  Somehow sales tax has been
 twisted into a kind of Value Added Tax.  And while we can draw some
similarities to real estate, a vehicle is not real property (as legally
defined).

You right, the cheating wasn't fair to the honest folks.  But replacing
one unfairness with another is no improvement.

I'm sure the DMV people DID get tired of fighting abuse but the burden
of proof, like it or not, falls on the government not the citizen.

> I tend to think this way of setting sale values isn't very good either
> but can't find a better option.

Agreed.  But the lack of a good solution should never be justification
for government to implement a bad one.

> Maybe the list could come up with something.

Maybe.  Why not a graduated registration fee based on the age of the
vehicle?  The floor is open...

> Some folks who know me say that the real reason I took this job is to
> establish contacts with used car dealers and the especially the DMV,

Now THAT was a good idea!

> Of course, I would *never* abuse my position like that...

Oh, I don't know if you could call it "abuse".  More like a deep
conviction and interest in perserving the history of the country.
Yeah!  That's the ticket.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 14:01:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Taxation and Title Searches

>Why not a graduated registration fee based on the age of the
>vehicle?  The floor is open...

Illinois did it that way for a while, after a disastrous attempt
to base it on sale price (yeah, right), but I'm not sure if they
are still doing that. Maybe some other Illinois people know. I
remember that they had exemptions for sales between family members;
I was able to buy a car from my brother tax-free.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: DGMCEWEN@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:14:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Still making W-41's? -Reply

The SCX was made in '92 and '93. It was made by Olds to legalize it for
racing. SCCA world champ, NHRA record holder, IMSA Firehawk champ. Great
car. 1146 made in '92, 500 made in '93. Special parts included: 190hp Q4
( 185hp in '93), which included the W41 cams, larger exhaust system, a
Getrag licensed 5-speed with a .81 5th gear, a concentric slave clutch,
a modified version of the FX3 Computer Command Ride package, a larger
front stabilizer bar, 2 rear stabilzer bars, a wider rear axle, V-rated
14" tires, a 140 mph speedometer, and a 7000k tach. This car also came
in a C41 version, of which only 11 were made. ( The standard version is
the C60 version, not to be confused with the option package W41, which
both had). This car included a tank baffle, a Torsen LSD, a oil cooler,
no power options or A/C, and a 7400k redline. This car was availible to
the public, but was built to be sold to the racers as basis for track
cars.
          The standard Achieva is pretty unremarkable, but talk to any
owner of an SCX, and you'll find a happy car owner. 0-60 in 7.6, 135mph,
31mpg, .86 g's, 15k new, and really cheap to insure. Besides, every time
you beat someone, you get to talk about your car, 'cause no one knows
what it is!
    Doug in LA.

P.S. I just last week got into it with a 67 Cutlass on the 210 freeway
in LA, from about 60 to 110, we were dead even. From the duals and motor
sounds next to me, it was'nt any 2 barrel version either.  4=8

------------------------------

From: Chris Blumenstein <bluffin@netins.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:19:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: '77 442

ROB MALLAND wrote:
>
> CHRIS, Jason is right.. find a parts car from your year and use
everything good > off of it. For '73-'77 442s, most of the car is a
cutlass car with very little > 442 stuff- so you should have no problem
finding a decent parts car- and you > should be able to get a limited
amount of non-parts car stuff (like carpet) > from an aftermarket
supplier-right Jason? > -Rob > '73-442 > > >They are starting to crop
up. You have a car from the forgotten years > >'73-'77 and aftermarket
parts manufacturers haven't caught on to the idea > >that people fix
these cars up. Best thing to do would be to find a parts car > >'77 442.
I found a parts car 75 H/O to finish my 75 H/O. Talk about hard to >
>find parts, the badges for my 442 aren't made anymore by the dealer or >
>aftermarket. Seeing that only 886 Olds 442's  were made in 80 I had my >
>doubts in the first place. Dealer told me that I would have to have
them > >custom made...big $$$. > > > >At 05:58 PM 9/23/96 -0300, Chris
Blumenstein wrote: > >>can't find parts for my 442 wonder if you can
help? > >>Thanks > >- - - - - - - - - - - > >Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio
(z28cfi@gwis.com) > >88 Iroc Z/28.......................daily driver >
>80 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.........show car > >75 Hurst/Olds
W-25........restoration project > >74 Riviera Stage I 455...winter ride >
> > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------- >
Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >
---------------------------------------------------------Thanks for the
info but I've been looking for 6 months and haven't had any luck I was
told 76's and 77's are the only two cars that will work do you know if
this is true? Thanks alot

------------------------------

From: Chris Blumenstein <bluffin@netins.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:24:49 -0300
Subject: Re: '77 442

Jason Labay wrote:
>
> They are starting to crop up. You have a car from the forgotten years
> '73-'77 and aftermarket parts manufacturers haven't caught on to the
idea > that people fix these cars up. Best thing to do would be to find
a parts car > '77 442. I found a parts car 75 H/O to finish my 75 H/O.
Talk about hard to > find parts, the badges for my 442 aren't made
anymore by the dealer or > aftermarket. Seeing that only 886 Olds 442's
were made in 80 I had my > doubts in the first place. Dealer told me
that I would have to have them > custom made...big $$$. > > At 05:58 PM
9/23/96 -0300, Chris Blumenstein wrote: > >can't find parts for my 442
wonder if you can help? > >Thanks > - - - - - - - - - - - > Jason Labay
Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) > 88 Iroc Z/28.......................daily
driver > 80 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.........show car > 75 Hurst/Olds
W-25........restoration project > 74 Riviera Stage I 455...winter
rideJason, Thanks for the info but its been 6 months and I haven't found
 anything yet I was told 76 and 77 will work do you know?

------------------------------

From: Drew <senko@reston.ans.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:28:00 -0300
Subject: Re: What switch is this?

> In my '70 Olds 442, on the dash, is a small lever that is mounted
> between the cigerette lighter/ashtray compartment and the glove box.
It > is mounted upside down under a little bit of a lip.  Does anyone
know > what this is for? > Thanks > Brad


That's a light switch.  There should be a small light just above it.  We
use it in the convertible for reading maps, etc., since there is no dome
light (no dome - no roof!).

I was able to get a replacement bulb for this from Trak Auto.  The bulb
is maybe two inches long with a connector at each end. - --
                    _
                    |\            Convertibles
     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                        Drew
Senko
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
senko@reston.ans.net
     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
http://members.gnn.com/senko
_________\_/____________\_/_______________________________ 71 C/S
convertible

------------------------------

From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:28:00 -0300
Subject: Contacting the Olds History Center

I called up the Olds History Center today and spoke to this nice
gentleman there about the appalling lack of factory documentation
available.  He sounded more depressed than me as he described the
countless number of calls they get for invoices that he cannot provide.
What a sh#tty job, having to admit that some moron in theOlds corporate
ladder did not have the foresight to guard the documentation of these
iron monsters.

 I asked him if the info was misplaced/uncataloged/disorganized.  He
said it is GONE, never to be recovered.  Probably went to the same
place as my Dad's very complete 1940's/50's baseball card collection,
i.e. in the trashola.
 Then again, Dad didn't have the foresight to buy a 1970 442 W30 and
store it for me for 20 years, so I can see how the baseball cards went
by the wayside.  Just kidding, Dad.

He said he would send me a bunch of stuff, including some sales
literature and whatnot, from 1970.  Has anyone out there done this
before?  What do you get?  I guess the next stop is the Oklahoma motor
vehicle department.  Any OK residents out there who have the phone #?

 Is there any way to find out the dealer who sold the car based on a
title search (assuming I can't locate the original owner)?  Did dealers
ever have to register the car with the state when they received them
from GM, or is the original owner the first record created for the car?
As was pointed out to me in a couple of responses, I guess the
dealership is the last real hope
 of finding any documentation.  Actually, using Lycos People Find on the
 net, getting a phone number (provided you have someones middle
initial) of a past owner might actually be possible.

Thanks for the help,
Scott Mullen
'70 442

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:53:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: '77 442

At 10:30 AM 9/24/96 -0300, ROB MALLAND wrote:
>CHRIS, Jason is right.. find a parts car from your year and use
everything good >off of it. For '73-'77 442s, most of the car is a
cutlass car with very little >442 stuff- so you should have no problem
finding a decent parts car- and you >should be able to get a limited
amount of non-parts car stuff (like carpet) >from an aftermarket
supplier-right Jason?

Yea decent parts cars are sort of easy to find. I have two 77's in the
towyard now but both are spoken for.  Most of the interior panels for my
75 H/O are from a 77 Cutlass. I repainted them white (originally maroon)
. Carpet is easy to find aftermarket wise. You will occasionally find
hoseclamps and radiator caps for sale by the aftermarket suppliers:)
Anything big is pushing it.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
88 Iroc Z/28.......................daily driver
80 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.........show car
75 Hurst/Olds W-25........restoration project
74 Riviera Stage I 455...winter ride

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:58:01 -0300
Subject: Re: '77 442

Jason, Thanks for the info but its been 6 months and I haven't found
>anything yet I was told 76 and 77 will work do you know?

All parts prety much interchange from 73 to 77 with the usual cosmetic
differences. Parts can even be found on the 73-77 Pontiac Grand Prix's
too...although very little.

>
>
>
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
88 Iroc Z/28.......................daily driver
80 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.........show car
75 Hurst/Olds W-25........restoration project
74 Riviera Stage I 455...winter ride

------------------------------

From: "Howes, Jim" <howesj@nasd.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:51:52 -0300
Subject: [none]

Hi, I just bought a 86 Cutlass Salon for traveling back and forth to
work.  I am really impress with the engine(305 CI) being the car has
141,376 miles on it.  I am the second owner and I have put about 400
miles on it so far.  It doesent even burn oil! The engine sounds like it
has 40, 000 miles on it.  I think I may be becoming a Old's convert!

Can any one (Stupid question I know) tell me about the Salon?

I just discovered this listserver and the information passed on is
GREAT.  I am familiar with lisservers through the VetteNet, due to
owning a 88 Flap-Top.

Thanks in advance.

Jim Howes
howesj@nasd.com
Mount Airy, Maryland

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:15:19 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Looking for Neat Stuff

Okay, I couldn't resist this one.  Aren't those carts REAR WHEEL
DRIVE?????

David Brown          OCA #27978         (312) 702-9157
    Check out: www.442.com      www.oldsmobile.com
               FAQ version 2.0 due soon!

- -----------
Cool.  Those socks and a set of Toro wheels on the cart and you'll be
all set for the golf course!

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: Chris Blumenstein <bluffin@netins.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:07:48 -0300
Subject: Re: '77 442

Jason Labay wrote:
>
> Jason, Thanks for the info but its been 6 months and I haven't found
> >anything yet I was told 76 and 77 will work do you know?
>
> All parts prety much interchange from 73 to 77 with the usual cosmetic
> differences. Parts can even be found on the 73-77 Pontiac Grand Prix's
> too...although very little.
>
> >
> >
> >
> - - - - - - - - - - -
> Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
> 88 Iroc Z/28.......................daily driver
> 80 Olds 4-4-2 W-30.........show car
> 75 Hurst/Olds W-25........restoration project
> 74 Riviera Stage I 455...winter ride   Are you saying the body parts
will fit off these cars?
   I in need of header and grill, trunk lid, front driver
   fender, hook, bumpers, basically the whole car would be
   great.

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 15:07:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Contacting the Olds History Center

>Is there any way to find out the dealer who sold the car based on
>a title search (assuming I can't locate the original owner)?

When I called the CarFax outfit in Virginia prior to buying my '93 SSEi,
they were able to give me the original sale date and dealer location
(city/state), although the dealer's name was not listed. I think there
was some sort of dealer ID number, FWIW. The buyer's name was not given
either, although I was able to snag it from the back of the Title (and
later on found one of his business cards under a seat :-).

I posted the CarFax info here a while back; did anyone ever try them
for an older car? They lift the info from state records, pulled by VIN,
so the history should be complete unless a state decides to purge its
records.

>Did dealers ever have
>to register the car with the state when they received them from GM, or
is >the original owner the first record created for the car?

The first known record for my car was the first purchase from the
dealer, with the Title reading "NEW" as opposed to showing a name for
previous owner. Dealers swap cars around all the time and I don't know
that they bother to notify the state until they sell one to a purchaser.
(I know the back of the Title has blanks for second and third
"Reassignment by Dealer" after the car is traded in, but not for new
cars.)

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:22:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Looking for Neat Stuff

David Brown wrote:
>
> Okay, I couldn't resist this one.  Aren't those carts REAR WHEEL
> DRIVE?????

Not mine!

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: Joanne Beausoleil <jbeausol@ftp.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:24:01 -0300
Subject: RE: Taxation and Title Searches

Move to NH....annual registration based on worth, no sales tax, Problem
solved...

- ----------
From: 	Andrew C. Green[SMTP:acg@dlogics.com]
Sent: 	Tuesday, September 24, 1996 1:01 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 	Re: Taxation and Title Searches

>Why not a graduated registration fee based on the age of the
>vehicle?  The floor is open...

Illinois did it that way for a while, after a disastrous attempt
to base it on sale price (yeah, right), but I'm not sure if they
are still doing that. Maybe some other Illinois people know. I
remember that they had exemptions for sales between family members;
I was able to buy a car from my brother tax-free.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: "Howes, Jim" <howesj@nasd.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:38:09 -0300
Subject: RE: Taxation and Title Searches

What is the difference between "worth" and "Sale price"?

>----------
>From: 	Joanne Beausoleil[SMTP:jbeausol@ftp.com]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, September 24, 1996 3:24 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject: 	RE: Taxation and Title Searches
>
>Move to NH....annual registration based on worth, no sales tax, Problem
>solved...
>
>----------
>From: 	Andrew C. Green[SMTP:acg@dlogics.com]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, September 24, 1996 1:01 PM
>To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject: 	Re: Taxation and Title Searches
>
>>Why not a graduated registration fee based on the age of the
>>vehicle?  The floor is open...
>
>Illinois did it that way for a while, after a disastrous attempt
>to base it on sale price (yeah, right), but I'm not sure if they
>are still doing that. Maybe some other Illinois people know. I
>remember that they had exemptions for sales between family members;
>I was able to buy a car from my brother tax-free.
>
>Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
>Datalogics, Inc.
>441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

------------------------------

From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:42:18 -0300
Subject: Re: New Salon Owner

Hi, I just bought a 86 Cutlass Salon for traveling back and forth to
work.  I am really impress with the engine(305 CI) being the car has
141,376 miles on it.
                               ^^^^^^

          Jim,

          Your Bowtie bias is showing.  Unless the valve covers have
          only four bolts, your car has an Olds 307, not a 305.  But
          welcome to the list and the world of Olds owners.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30


------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:48:05 -0300
Subject: RE: Taxation and Title Searches

On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, Joanne Beausoleil wrote:
> Move to NH....annual registration based on worth, no sales tax,
Problem solved... > > ---------- > >From: 	Mike Frederick > > >Why not
a graduated registration fee based on the age of the > >vehicle?  The
floor is open...

From: Andrew C. Green[SMTP:acg@dlogics.com]
> Illinois did it that way for a while, after a disastrous attempt
> to base it on sale price (yeah, right), but I'm not sure if they
> are still doing that. Maybe some other Illinois people know.

Keep in mind the difference between annual registration fees, and sales
tax payable only on a transfer of title... sounds like the N.H. annual
registration based on "value" is a pretty close approximation of the
red/blue book value system for tax purposes. Don't know if I'd like that
 either.

Up here your annual registration fee is based upon the car's weight.
Rationale (theirs, not mine :)   ) is that it is proportional to the
wear and tear on the road network...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

------------------------------

From: "Howes, Jim" <howesj@nasd.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:57:07 -0300
Subject: RE: New Salon Owner

Joe I agree.  I was going by the sticker(Emissions) on the fan shroud
and the owners Manuel.  I don't have the car with me right now.... But I
swear it said 305.

I follow up.

Thanks Jim H.

>----------
>From: 	JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com[SMTP:JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com]
>Sent: 	Tuesday, September 24, 1996 4:42 PM
 
>To: 	oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
>Subject: 	Re: New Salon Owner
>
>Hi, I just bought a 86 Cutlass Salon for traveling back and forth to
work.  I >am >really impress with the engine(305 CI) being the car has
141,376 miles on it. >                               ^^^^^^ > >
Jim, > >          Your Bowtie bias is showing.  Unless the
valve covers have >          only four bolts, your car has an Olds 307,
not a 305.  But >          welcome to the list and the world of Olds
owners. > >          Joe Padavano >
jpada@hqgate.orbital.com > >          66 442 >          68
W-30 >          69 H/O >          70 W-30 > > > >

------------------------------

From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 09:57:33 -0300
Subject: Milodon timing chain

Anyone ever degree a cam using a Milodon double roller chain?  I'd like
to know how accurate I can expect it to be...

------------------------------

From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:05:54 -0300
Subject: RE: Taxation and Title Searches

>Keep in mind the difference between annual registration fees, and sales
tax >payable only on a transfer of title... sounds like the N.H. annual
 >registration based on "value" is a pretty close approximation of the
>red/blue book value system for tax purposes. Don't know if I'd like
that >either.

There is no sales tax.

$31.20 to the state for all cars.  $11.00 to the town for my '72 Cutlass
 Cruiser.  Come to NH to register your cars!

>Up here your annual registration fee is based upon the car's weight.

Same, but for some reason they insist on not using the gross weight
in the door panel on the car.

Roger Borlase
'72 Cutlass Cruiser
http://www.cs.gordonc.edu/~borlase

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:08:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Taxation and Title Searches

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> > >From:        Mike Frederick
> >
> > >Why not a graduated registration fee based on the age of the
> > >vehicle?  The floor is open...
>
> Keep in mind the difference between annual registration fees, and
sales > tax payable only on a transfer of title... sounds like the N.H.
annual > registration based on "value" is a pretty close approximation
of the > red/blue book value system for tax purposes. Don't know if I'd
like > that either.

OK, make a title transfer fee then.  It really doesn't matter.  The
state wants their bucks so they can spend it on goofy projects.
Doesn't matter if you divide it up by the number of registrations per
year or the number of title transfers per year, their still going to
get their pound of flesh.  So if a title transfer fee is more popular,
use that.

> Up here your annual registration fee is based upon the car's weight.

Uh-oh, the Toro's not going to like that idea!

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:11:58 -0300
Subject: RE: Taxation and Title Searches

> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
> Up here your annual registration fee is based upon the car's weight.
> Rationale (theirs, not mine :)   ) is that it is proportional to the
wear > and tear on the road network...

Florida does that, too.  The highest category was $45/year.  I think
there are three classes $25/$35/$45.  Of course, if your car
is over 20 years old, it only costs $17.50, no matter what it weighs.

Trucks are excluded from the classic car category.  (I have a '74 pickup
truck, also.)  Both my vehicles are registered in Florida, which is
where I claim residence.

My brother, a civil engineer, says that the difference in road damage
caused by large cars vs small cars is negligable.  And, that the big
trucks cause all most road damage, anyway.

-
------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------- Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible
.^. lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________
/9|8\ (810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |
\}|{/ Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=
v

------------------------------

From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:15:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Still making W-41's? -Reply

On 24 Sep 96 at 15:14, DGMCEWEN@aol.com wrote:
> The SCX was made in '92 and '93. It was made by Olds to legalize it
[Note - SNIP]
> P.S. I just last week got into it with a 67 Cutlass on the 210
> freeway in LA, from about 60 to 110, we were dead even. From the
> duals and motor sounds next to me, it was'nt any 2 barrel version
> either.  4=8

Hey!  Careful!  We don't want to get the Toro guys (or the
Cutlassites) angry at the Quad owners with such bold statements like
4=8!!!

BTW, I had to prove the power of Olds engineering to a punk in a BMW
M3.  Head to head to well over 100.  My car - $16k, His car =$35k,
hmmm.....

or is that nahnahnah <g>

Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442

------------------------------

From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:54:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Still making W-41's? -Reply

>BTW, I had to prove the power of Olds engineering to a punk in a BMW
>M3.  Head to head to well over 100.  My car - $16k, His car =$35k,
>hmmm.....

What would it take and cost to make my wagon be able to do this?

Roger Borlase
'72 Cutlass Cruiser
http://www.cs.gordonc.edu/wagon.html

------------------------------

From: pete <redeye@bc.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:21:19 -0300
Subject: 1970 olds door

Hi, need to know if there is a chance and a place where a guy can get a
door for 1970 old Cutlass S 2 dr post. Need drivers (left) door at a
reasonable price. Anyone out there have any idea or source for such an
item???

Thanks in advance,

Pete


               ~\\ ! //~
                +(o o)+
 *--pete--.o00o.--( )--.o00o.--pete--*

 ******     Pete Berisoff      *******
 *      Penticton, B.C. Canada,      *
 (<:)       1(604)492-6349       (>:o)
 *******    pete@awinc.com     *******
 *******     pete@img.net      *******

------------------------------

From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:22:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Still making W-41's? -Reply

On 24 Sep 96 at 17:54, Roger M. Borlase wrote:
> >BTW, I had to prove the power of Olds engineering to a punk in a
> >BMW M3.  Head to head to well over 100.  My car - $16k, His car
> >=$35k, hmmm.....
>
> What would it take and cost to make my wagon be able to do this?

It will take a chain saw and some welding skills.  Cost, well if you
have to ask.....

Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442

------------------------------

From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:09:14 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Still making W-41's? -Reply


> What would it take and cost to make my wagon be able to do this?

It will take a chain saw and some welding skills.  Cost, well if you
have to ask.....

Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442

          Mike, Mike, Mike,

          You front-drivers have it all backwards.

          Back in high school I had a 68 Vista Cruiser which got
          treated to a 425.  Probably the ultimate sleeper.  Great
          traction due to weight transfer.  The car beat several
          Camaros and I especially embarassed one 69 Mach 1.  Note
          that this was with the salt flats special 2.73:1 rear end!
          With 442 sway bars front and back and BFG T/As on SS II
          wheels the car actually went around corners too.
          Unfortunately, the central Mass winters took their toll on
          the sheet metal.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

------------------------------

From: jblair@exis.net (John T. Blair)
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:21:58 -0300
Subject: RE: Taxation and Title Searches

At Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:24:01 -0300 Joanne Beausoleil wrote:

Move to NH....annual registration based on worth, no sales tax, Problem
solved...

At 04:38 PM 9/24/96 -0300, oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca wrote:
>What is the difference between "worth" and "Sale price"?
>

Who sets the worth?  For example my Morgan.  It is appraised
at $24,000, but I only have it insured for $15,000.  If some-
one wants to buy it from me, then were talking well in excess
of $75,000 to get it away from me.

So what is the worth of this car?

John
John T. Blair  WA4OHZ          email:  jblair@exis.net
Va. Beach, Va                  Phone:  (757) 495-8229

48 TR1800    48 #4 Midget  65 Morgan 4/4 Series V
     75 Bricklin SV1   77 Spitfire

The one with the most toys, wins!

------------------------------

From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:25:35 -0300
Subject: Re: 1970 olds door

On Tue, 24 Sep 1996, pete wrote:

> Hi, need to know if there is a chance and a place where a guy can get
a > door for 1970 old Cutlass S 2 dr post. Need drivers (left) door at a >
reasonable price. Anyone out there have any idea or source for such an
item??? >

1.  Larry Camuso
    West Coast Sheetmetal
    San Jose, CA
    (408) 286-6537
    9 - 5 Monday thru Friday Pacific time

    He's very good, and the parts are what he says they are.  I spent
$500 getting body and trim parts (not for me, for my car) from him this
past summer.


2.  Hall's Oldsmobile Salvage
    20849 F Road
    Soldier, KS  66540
    (913) 924-3315 or (913)924-3748
    8:30 to 5 Monday thru Saturday central time

    I've dealt with these folks on-and-off over the years and I've never
 been disappointed with the quality.  They sometimes seem a bit pricey,
 though.


3.  Alvin Arnold
    100 Arnold Lane
    Paragould, AR  72450
    (501) 236-7253

    I've never dealt with him, but it seems like he's been advertising
forever in Journey with Olds.


I'd try the above in the order listed.


Good luck.


Dan Gulino

------------------------------

From: Todd Morris <tmorris@bt1dc18e.bet.ibm.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 20:35:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Rear End Ratio



Paul, don't know the answer to your question.  I do know that I
originally started out measuring the wheel turn with both wheels in the
air.  One wheel would turn in concert with the driveshaft and the other
just sat there, not budging at all. Halfway through the exercise it
dawned on me that I ought to have one wheel grounded for accuracy.
Could it be a burned out posi?Sure. I intend to pull the cover and
change fluid to synthetic anyway and I should be able to tell then
exactly what this thing is......



>Is it possible for only one wheel to spin when both are in the air if
it >is a normal differential? wouldnt one tire spin the other
direction? >I've seen burnt out posi's where one wheel spins and
another does not..

Todd Morris
71 442

------------------------------

From: willie@MADNET.COM
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:45:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Taxation and Title Searches

{Snip:  (too long to quote)}

Actually, I heard this one story.  I don't remember exactly all of the
details (car make/model/year), but I'll try to make it is clear as
possible.

This guy, bought a BEAUTIFUL car for $10,000.  Upon registering it with
the DMV, he wrote on the Application for Vehicle Registration that he
paid $500 for it.  One day, he was driving this beautiful car, and he
crashed it into someone else.  His insurance company paid for the other
car, and the guy received a check from his insurance company.
His insurance company got his AVR from the DMV, and they  paid him
exactly what he said he paid for it.  $500.

The moral of this story is simple.  Cheaters never win, and Winners
never cheat. :)

- -Shane

* 80 Monte Carlo SC (3.8l)
* 81 Olds Cutlass Supreme
* 79 Monte Carlo Landau
* 83 Monte Carlo SC (L69 5.0L)
* 81 Pontiac Grand Prix
This message sent from The Net BBS 608-221-5702.
Telnet address: bbs.madnet.com

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From: pete <redeye@bc.sympatico.ca>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:43:44 -0300
Subject: olds club

Anyone in this group from Canada?? Alberta, B.C.???

Pete


               ~\\ ! //~
                +(o o)+
 *--pete--.o00o.--( )--.o00o.--pete--*

 ******     Pete Berisoff      *******
 *      Penticton, B.C. Canada,      *
 (<:)       1(604)492-6349       (>:o)
 *******    pete@awinc.com     *******
 *******     pete@img.net      *******

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From: Chris Blumenstein <bluffin@netins.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 22:50:04 -0300
Subject: '77 442

Does anyone have any idea where I can find a 77 442 or body parts for
one
 I'am located in Iowa and have been unable to find anything for this car
 except for in California, Georgia, Kansas, and South Carolina need to
find something closer to home.

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:43:39 -0300
Subject: Re: olds club

pete wrote:
>
> Anyone in this group from Canada?? Alberta, B.C.???

I'm sure you'll being hearing from them but you might be interesting to
know that both this list and the Torolist are based in Canada.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:00:23 -0300
Subject: Re: What switch is this?

Drew wrote:
>=20
>=20
>=20
> That's a light switch.  There should be a small light just above it.
W= e > use it in the convertible for reading maps, etc., since there is
no dom= e > light (no dome - no roof!).


>                  =20
>                                    Drew Senko

Drew,

For a while in the 40's & 50's, Oldsmobile & a couple of otherws put
a=20 dome light on the last bow of the convertibles.  It worked well,
but you=20 know about those cost cutting people.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama
- --=20
MZ=90

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From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 21:14:28 -0300
Subject: 1966 442 Tail pipe locating dimensions

Ill get some measurements off my car this weekend and share it.  My 66
442 still has the original exhaust hanging on.

Mike
66 442
69 H/O
70 W30
71 Conv



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-------
          From the 66 factory service manual:

          The manual specifies that the tops of the tail pipes should
          be 1/2 inch below the bottom-most edge of the rear bumper.
          No fore/aft dimension is given, but from the looks of the
          drawing, the forward edge of the chrome bezel should be just
          about even with the bottom edge of the bumper (since, in
          cross section, the bumper angles up and back, the bottom
          edge of the bumper is the foreward-most edge of the bumper
          also).

          Some additional exhaust system dimensions:

          The rolled lip on the foreward end of the mufflers should
          have 7/8" clearance to the floorboard and 1 3/16" clearance
          to the driveshaft.

          The tailpipes, where they arch up over the rear axle, should
          have 7/8" clearance to the frame crossmember (this is the
          frame piece to which the rear axle upper control arms
          attach).

          The chambered section of the tailpipe should be about 1"
          below the frame rail in the vicinity of the gas tank and
          the centerline of the pipe should be just slightly outside
          the outside of the frame rail at this location.  The pipe
          should also be about 1" inboard of the trunk well in this
          area.

          I hope this helps.  It is a lot easier to understand with
          the manual in front of me.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30




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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:57:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Still making W-41's? -Reply

On 24 Sep 96 at 20:09, JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com wrote:

>           Mike, Mike, Mike,
>           You front-drivers have it all backwards.

Granted.  Unless we drive in reverse.... (right Mike?)

>           Back in high school I had a 68 Vista Cruiser which got
>           treated to a 425.  Probably the ultimate sleeper.  Great
>           traction due to weight transfer.  The car beat several....

Joe,

My experiences mirror yours.  I drove a '77 Vista Bruiser with a
lowly 350R in high school.  Its performance was greatly exagerated
since the early '80s was an even worse time for car performance....

Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442


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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 22:58:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Dash lights in 1983 Delta 88

In a message dated 96-09-24 02:41:37 EDT, you write:

> Is there a way to get at them? This one looks like a major job. It
looks >  like it takes a contortionist to get behind the dash from
below.

These darn lights have given me problems in a '78, two '79s, an '83 and
an '85.  I pull the dash panel off and go in from the front.  Once you
have the face panel off you can fool aroung with moving the speedometer
around to get at the bulbs you need.  If the bulbs are burned, you're
OK.  If the sockets are loose, you have to work a little bit to get them
tightened.  Removed the bulb and inserting a flat heat screwdriver can
tighten them if you remember to turn the opposite was 'cause they come
in from the back.  Some times the bulb is just loose in the socket and
you need to pry the socket contacts a little bit as well a prying the
bulb contacts.  This all really isn't that hard.  I needed a shop manual
on the '78 'cause that was the first one I had ever done.  Now I can do
them in my sleep.  If you need me to, I can walk you through the steps
from memory, I think.

Paul
Been there, Done that.

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 22:59:08 -0300
Subject: Looking for advice - kinda long

I had an omen today.  I was thinking on the way to work this morning
about maybe selling the '72 C/S and the '67 Ninety Eight and trying to
purchase a '62 Starfire.  I've had thoughts like these many times over
the past few years, but the feeling was especially strong today.  I
found this idea occupying my thoughts most of the day at work today.
Then when I went out to the news stand for lunch today to pick up my
copy of Collectible Automobile (see related post).  It was like a sign
from God.  There on the cover was this Ninety Eight convertible, with an
article inside about the '61 to '64 full size cars, including the '62
Starfire (which was covered separately a few years ago, BTW).  So, I
have taken this as a sign that someone, somewhere wants me to be the
owner of a Starfire after all these years.

I have decided to put the '72 up for sale first, and will do that this
spring.  I need the winter to get it ready to sell.  You all seem like a
fair and educated bunch and I would like to know truthfully what you
think a realistic price would be.  I know that you have not had the
opportunity to see it, but I need your help.  Here's the info you have
to work with:

1972 Cutlass Supreme Convertible, 350, 4bbl, duals, posi rear from ??,
120K.
 Engine runs real good, but I would replace the lifters to sell it.
Tranny works great.  Posi used to "bump" but has been serviced.  Sunfire
Yellow w/white trim.  Body has had one repaint in original color.  Need
to be detailed.  Has typical rust in the 1/4s and fenders, has been
repaired (when painted) and is starting again, but still makes a good
appearance until you're right up on it.  Top is 6 years old and
excellant.  Interior is original and fairly good.  Needs a good detail.
There are a couple small places on the side of the seat where it is torn
maybe 1/2".  No major tears, no stuffing coming out anywhere.  Interior
makes a good appearance as well.
 Carpet will be replaced.  Sheetmetal goes with car: pair of NOS 1/4s,
NOS passenger door skin, NOS drivers front fender.  Car was relatively
option free when I bought it.  Bench seat.  I added, sport wheel, sport
mirrors, cruise, power trunk, FM stereo, 8 Track, correct factory wire
wheels on 7" rims w/3 year old wide oval WW tires.  Also included in
sale are a complete factory air setup, a set of 6 SSI wheels and
complete disc brakes (off the parts car for about 4 years now and
probably worthless).  I have the following documentation showing this to
be a low option car:

Original owner's last registration and insurance cards
2 copies of the original delivery receipt from Anchor Motor Freight, car
was delivered to the selling dealer on 3/2/72 @ 7AM, had a scratched
hood, damaged bumper guard and broken flywheel cover! Original copy of
the factory invoice Dealer's copy of the bill of sale Dealer's copy of
the purchase order Notes made by salesperson, bumper guards and clock
were added to the order later and called into the factory on 2/8/72 @
10:35! Original PA title Protect-o-plate All original glove box books
including warranty Shop manual, sales brochure and color chart.

I purchased this car from the original owner in Nov 1989 @ 97K for
$6000.  So what do you guys think?

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 22:59:04 -0300
Subject: Dealer Titles

In a message dated 96-09-24 15:26:07 EDT, you write:

> (I know
>  the back of the Title has blanks for second and third "Reassignment
by >  Dealer" after the car is traded in, but not for new cars.)

When an dealer gets a new vehicle from GM it comes with a title-like
document called a CO (certificate of origin) otherwise known as an MSO
(manufacturers statement of origin).  On the front it lists the VIN,
year, make, model, engine type, passenger count, weights, etc.  There
are 4 places on the back of a CO for reassignment either to another
dealer (dealer trade, or dealer exchange) or to the ultimate retail
customer.  This document is used with the state's paperwork to generate
a title.  Dealers generally don't title their cars except in the rare
instance when they would have one as a "demo" running on a private tag
instead of a dealer tag.  I used to work for a dealer that gave demos to
the employees and they would run them on dealer tags, but if the
employee was taking the demo for his wife to use instead of himself,
them we would run them on private tags registered to the dealership.  GM
did away with demo allowances years ago, so many dealers give out demos
sparingly and they're now called company cars.  Here in PA a demo is
considered part of your income and you have to pay tax on the portion of
the demo that is for your personal use.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 22:59:05 -0300
Subject: Collectible Automobile Magazine

Was at the news stand today looking for a copy of the latest issue of
Collectible Automobile.  The December '96 issue is out and has a photo
of a white '94 Ninety Eight convertible on it.  The article inside is
devoted to the "trimmer" 1961 to 1964 Full Size Oldsmobiles.  Just
thought I would let you know so you can all rush out and get your's
(those that have a thing for the full sizers, anyway).

And to our foreign friend (why can't I ever remember his name, is it
Isko?), they have a photo of a '64 Ninety Eight engine compartment.  The
motor is red, the valve (vent) covers are silver, the air cleaner cover
is silver and the air cleaner base is black.  On the drivers side valve
cover there is a breather vent.

Get 'em while their hot!

Paul

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 22:51:25 -0300
Subject: Re: Dash lights in 1983 Delta 88

At 02:22 AM 9/24/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I've lost most dash lights and my brights indicator. I think the bulbs
are [snip] >Is there a way to get at them? This one looks like a major
job. It looks >like it takes a contortionist to get behind the dash from
below.

If your '83 88 is anything like my '78 Electra (which is pretty likely),
the dash lights would be accessible after you remove the _top_ of the
dash. The dash pad should be secured by a line of screws across the
defroster vents, another line under the front-top of the dashboard, and
one on each end.

Then again, maybe not.

In general, though, the '77-'85 B and C bodies were much easier to work
on, accessory-wise. Heater core is accessible through the engine
compartment, the blower motor *jumps* right out of the A/C box, and the
entire dash-pad is easily removed.

Much easier than a '70 A-body... :(

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Landau Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 16:05:19 -0300
Subject: Re: IRC Chat Revival

     Jeff,

     I was testing out my IRC software to see that it still worked, and
     when I logged onto irc.another.org I noticed a message saying that
     they're shutting down for good on Sept 30th due to administrative
     problems.

     I'm still looking forward to an IRC chat session revival, but
where?

     Tom L.

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From: "Marvin Friesen" <gowest@mail.awinc.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:36:26 -0300
Subject: Re: '77 442

I believe a  1976-77 Buick Century / Regal shares the trunk lid. ( 2 Dr
doors look identical too?)

>    I in need of header and grill, trunk lid, front driver
>    fender, hook, bumpers, basically the whole car would be
>    great.

1976 Cutlass S (#1 Saddle Brown Metallic)
1976 Cutlass S (#2 Blue)
1983 Delta 88

Marvin Friesen
Prince Rupert, BC, Canada

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From: glenn connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:48:42 -0300
Subject: 69 4-4-2 motor picture

        Does anyone have a picture of a '69 4-4-2 engine compartment
that's basically correct?   I'd like to finish under the hood and could
use some visual help.  I haven't been able to find any decent pictures
and missed 2 local shows to take some.

        If anybody has such a picture I'd like to see it.  If you have
it in .jpg or .gif form just point it to gpc@buffnet.net and click.  If
that's not an option, snail mail would work.  Matter-of-fact, just
thought of something,  if you can send me a print I'll make a color copy
(up to 11"x17") and send both your print and copy back to you.

        Thanks,
        Glenn
        '69 4-4-2

------------------------------

From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 00:46:53 -0300
Subject: posi-traction

What company (hi performance or GM) would have the parts to make my '70
12 bolt open rear end a posi traction one?  I don't need a whole new
rear end, just the innards.
Please send me their number
Thanks
Brad

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 17:57:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Taxation and Title Searches

>
> > Up here your annual registration fee is based upon the car's weight.
>
> Uh-oh, the Toro's not going to like that idea!
>
> The 66 Toro and Mike
>

Mike,

Put her on a diet.  Tell 'em it's a delete body option.

Honestly, when I was young, Indiana did the weight thing.  It caused
many people to go for lighter cars such as Fords & Chevys.

I agree that sales tax is a poor way to get money.  The average guy has
to purchase w/every dollar he earns & therefore pays tax twice.  The
wealthier can save soome of theirs & therefore is able to bypass some of
 the taxes.  Why not just charge a healthy tax on earnings (if you
don't earn you don't pay) & let everyone do w/their remaining money as
they wish.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:04:35 -0300
Subject: Olds 403

I recieved this from a friend on the 1st and 2nd generation f-body list
for all that are interested. Reply to kencar@ICSI.Net.



>Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 18:40:58 -0500
>X-Sender: kencar@icsi.net
>To: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
>From: Ken Carothers <kencar@ICSI.Net>
>
> Jason,
>
>     I have a 403/TH350 combo from a '79 10th Anniversary T/A for $500.
>Pass this info. along to your Oldsmobile buddies and/or forward to
their >list.  It has approx. 86,500 miles and is still in the car. >
>--- >Ken Carothers - - - - - - - - - - - - Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio
(z28cfi@gwis.com) 88 Iroc Z/28.......................daily driver 80
Olds 4-4-2 W-30.........show car 75 Hurst/Olds W-25........restoration
project 74 Riviera Stage I 455...winter ride

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From: sbento@mecn.mass.edu
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 23:42:10 -0300
Subject: Re: NE Olds Owners Meeting: Sat. OK?

Saturday sounds good to me, around noon??

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0


On Mon, 23 Sep 1996, Robert J. Barry wrote:

> Well, I figured it was time to change the subject line, and sum up
what I > think I've heard. > > Place? The sub-shop just up the road
from Berejick's seems like the place to > meet, since the general
opinion is that their sandwiches are HUGE! This is > exit 19a off
I-95/Rt.128, in Needham Highlands (right?) This is also > relatively
local to most of the NE people here > > Time? Well, I suggested
lunchtime this Saturday, 9/28, for a couple reasons. > First, I'd like
to beat the Chicago-area group for a meeting (with more than > two
people... :); Second, the longer we put this off, the longer we will put >
this off ("uh, Oct. 4th is no good, and Nov. thru. Mar. are too cold,
and > April is busy; how about next June...?"); and Third, uh, I am
already going > to be up there that day, so _I_ like the idea... > > So
who'd like to go there, and maybe stop over at the Berejick Resto Shop
if > it is open? (Um, let's see, the moon is almost full, and there is a
"t" in > this month's name, and Scorpio is in line with Virgo... And of
course the > Red Sox are _still_ in the pennant chase...) > >
----------- > - Bob Barry > - 1969 Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX
(the 455 big-block boys) > - 1978 Electra Limited Landau Coupe (409 Olds
SMALL-block powered!) > > >

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From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:54:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Taxation and Title Searches

As Bill said: ...
> I agree that sales tax is a poor way to get money.  The average guy
has > to purchase w/every dollar he earns & therefore pays tax twice.
The > wealthier can save soome of theirs & therefore is able to bypass
some of > the taxes.  Why not just charge a healthy tax on earnings (if
you don't > earn you don't pay) & let everyone do w/their remaining
money as they > wish. > Bill Culp > Decatur, Alabama

Yeah, that's about how I feel up here in Canada.  This isn't a tax chat
list, but there's so many different layers and levels of tax that some
people will of course try to avoid it and thus require the kind of
system in place here for used purchases, as well as what Greg was
talking about. It might be an idea to try to find out why people are so
desperate to avoid paying taxes (maybe they feel that their interests
are not being served by the people taking the money from them) and fix
the sitation rather than just imposing stiffer and more comprehensive
taxes. Up here, the annual registration fee is $90.00 + whatever
parking tickets you couldn't afford to pay in time.  Of course by the
time the final bill has arrived, the original ticket price is about
tripled. Sorry, I'm starting to complain ... never a good sign.  "If you
don't like it, move", they say. Well ... anyone got any barns for rent?
(Just have to install a firewall between me and those exploding Toros) (
Oops, wrong list .. )

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

------------------------------

From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 01:57:25 -0300
Subject: Re: olds club

> Anyone in this group from Canada?? Alberta, B.C.???
>
> Pete
>
>  ******     Pete Berisoff      *******
>  *      Penticton, B.C. Canada,      *

Hi, well I'm in Toronto (aka The Big Smoke), which is quite a way
(happily for you) from Penticton.  I spent a week there in 1970, very
beautiful place, as I remember ...

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

------------------------------

From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 02:07:31 -0300
Subject: Water/Fuel Pump replace

Hi folks ...
Well, I'm about to replace my water pump tomorrow (74 Ninety-Eight, 455
cid.).  It started leaking (gasket area around the bottom part of the
pump) when I was about 80 miles out of town this afternoon.  I felt
something was wrong ... sometimes you can just feel a vague difference,
almost sub-conscious (maybe I was asleep), before you discover a broken
part or whatever.  If it is leaking around the gasket I suppose the pump
doesn't necessarily need replacing, however, the engine's gone over
150,000 miles now and I figure the time's coming.  I plan to replace the
fuel pump at the same time for the same reason ... Any advice,
suggestions, horror stories on these replacements?  It looks pretty
straightforward to me ... Thanks ...

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

------------------------------

From: Paul Bartlett <bartletp@osshe.edu>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 02:20:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Water/Fuel Pump replace

Graham,

I know this isn't the same but I just replaced the water pump and rubber
fuel hose on my 1966 Toronado.  At the same time I removed the radiator
and had it rodded out ($65).  Removing the radiator was not too
difficult and it gave me plenty of room for removing the fan, pulley,
and waterpump.

Paul Bartlett

>  > Hi folks ...
> Well, I'm about to replace my water pump tomorrow (74 Ninety-Eight,
455 > cid.).  It started leaking (gasket area around the bottom part of
the pump) > when I was about 80 miles out of town this afternoon.  I
felt something was > wrong ... sometimes you can just feel a vague
difference, almost > sub-conscious (maybe I was asleep), before you
discover a broken part or > whatever.  If it is leaking around the
gasket I suppose the pump doesn't > necessarily need replacing, however,
the engine's gone over 150,000 miles > now and I figure the time's
coming.  I plan to replace the fuel pump at the > same time for the same
reason ... > Any advice, suggestions, horror stories on these
replacements?  It looks > pretty straightforward to me ... Thanks ... > >
Graham Stewart > Toronto, Canada > graham.stewart@utoronto.ca > >


- --
Paul Bartlett
Phone (541) 737-0510
E-mail bartletp@osshe.edu

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 02:37:42 -0300
Subject: Wagon Search

I have an acquaintance looking to buy a '65-'72 Vista Cruiser.  Wants to
spend roughly $2500-$3000 and will take a fair condition car with a
decent body/motor.  Prefers west coast (sorry guys) if possible as he
can drive to AZ, NEV, CA to look over & take delivery.

Any and all info - leads - etc. is appreciated.  He's checking Hemmings
& all other associated publications & I'm keeping my eye out in my So
Cal Chapter but perhaps Chris in No. Cal. can keep an eye out in his
local chapter area & any other Olds Club member who could oblige would
be helping put a FORMER Olds Owner back on the CURRENT Olds Owner
upper-strata!

Thanks again -
Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/lisa.htm


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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:42:54 -0300
Subject: Re: olds club

     Well, not from Canada, but due South in Spokane, WA.  With a desert

     and a big mountain range between me and the nearest big city
     (Seattle), Canada seems awfully close.

     Anyone know how that "Olds Weekend" went up there a few weeks ago?
I
     wanted badly to attend but had major plans the weekends before and
     after that which pretty much took all the play money for the month.

     Tom L.
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: olds club Author:
oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET Date:    9/24/96 4:05 PM


Anyone in this group from Canada?? Alberta, B.C.???

Pete

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Sep 1996 19:42:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Salons and 305's

     That could be a Ch*vy 305 (I think some Cutlass's did come with
them)
     but it's likely an Olds 307.  For an Olds engine, the 8th digit of
the
     VIN should be a Y.  An Olds engine has the oil fill tube in front,
and
     the spark plugs will be *above* the exhaust manifolds with no need
for
     heat shields.

     Why not tell us about the Salon?  Wasn't that the "sporty" version
of
     the Cutlass, but not quite a 442?  Bucket seats and the center
     console, right?  I don't know the production numbers, but I've only

     seen two in junkyards, both pretty well picked over.

     Tom.


______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: No subject given Author:
oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET Date:    9/24/96 12:05 PM


Hi, I just bought a 86 Cutlass Salon for traveling back and forth to
work.  I am really impress with the engine(305 CI) being the car has
141,376 miles on it.  I am the second owner and I have put about 400
miles on it so far.  It doesent even burn oil! The engine sounds like it
 has 40, 000 miles on it.  I think I may be becoming a Old's convert!

Can any one (Stupid question I know) tell me about the Salon?





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From: "Marvin Friesen" <gowest@mail.awinc.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 03:17:13 -0300
Subject: Re: olds club

I presently live in Prince Rupert, BC. Lived in Cranbrook, BC for 10
years. Passed through Penticton August 11 during Peach Fest. I'd love to
live there (or back in Cranbrook). Folks moving to Kelowna (40 minutes
north) next spring.

No descent wrecking yard up here. Can't help with you  1970 Cutlass S.
1976 Cutlass S (#1 Saddle Brown Metallic)
1976 Cutlass S (#2 Blue)
1983 Delta 88

Marvin Friesen
Prince Rupert, BC, Canada
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> From: pete <redeye@bc.sympatico.ca>
> Anyone in this group from Canada?? Alberta, B.C.???

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From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 04:53:25 -0300
Subject: RE: Dash lights in 1983 Delta 88

> Is there a way to get at them? This one looks like a major job. It
looks > like it takes a contortionist to get behind the dash from below.

You need the following tools:
- - a pillow and a plastic bag to put the pillow into. The bag is to
  keep your wife happy.
- - a lantern to have light in the darkest spots
- - good imagination to picture out how the things look by just
  touching them because you can't see everything

The working position is not the most comfortable one. Make as much room
as you can and lay down under your dash face upwards. Have the pillow
under your head. It feels a lot better than the brake pedal.

I have not found a better way of doing this.

I am NOT a small guy. I weigh some 100 kilograms and am 177 centimeters
long. If I can do it so you can do it as well. - --
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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Sep 1996 09:00:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Taxation and Title Searches

>
> I agree that sales tax is a poor way to get money.  The average guy
has > to purchase w/every dollar he earns & therefore pays tax twice.
The > wealthier can save soome of theirs & therefore is able to bypass
some of > the taxes.  Why not just charge a healthy tax on earnings (if
you don't > earn you don't pay) & let everyone do w/their remaining
money as they > wish.

Hear, Hear!!  Let's vote for Bill Culp for President!! :)

- -- Brought to you by the Oldsmobile Reform Party,
   "Bill Culp For President" Committee



Tim (Spin Doctor) Churchill
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'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, nickname yet to be determined
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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