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oldsmobile-digest         Sunday, 8 December 1996      Volume 01 : Number 396


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From: Mike Wolski <wolskmj@texaco.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 12:59:20 -0400
Subject: More parts; more detail; lower prices

FYI:

My web pages at www.angelfire.com/tx/mjwparts have been
updated with *more parts*, *more detail* & *reduced prices*.

Photo scans of actual parts forthcoming...

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 06:56:56 -0400
Subject: Re: G-body VIN codes

Mike Frederick wrote:
>
>
>
> You never met my mother-in-law!  A gag would be more useful.  The day I
> met her, I told her to shut-up.  She jumped out of the car and I left her
> on the side of the road.
>
> The 66 Toro and Mike
>
Mike,

I'll take that as a warning not to pick up any older women on the side
fo the road.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 15:04:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Latest Data on Toro-Virus

Graham Stewart wrote:

> Red-Faced?  Sweaty?  INFECTED!!???

No...just STUPID!

One should not drink and drive a computer!  AARRGGHH!

Sparky (with an appropriate hangover)
- --
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 16:12:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Check Digits Was: G-body VIN codes

PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:
>
> I think all VINs need to have the same value for a computer to accept
> them, so a check digit was added to make up the difference between the
> other 16 characters and the total VIN value.  Understand?

Sort of.  The checkdigit is based on the series of characters before it
but I don't believe GM's version (or anybody else's for that matter)
use simple addition to make all the VINs add up to the same value.

> I used to enter warranty claims and my terminal would let me know if I
> had entered and incorrect VIN.

That's it's purpose -- to catch typos.  BTW, the computer doesn't need
the checkdigit, it's the poor typists (like me) who need it.

> It didn't know that the VIN was wrong, it just knew that it didn't add
> up to the right value.

Again, sort of.  The system would recalculate the checkdigit and compare
it to the checkdigit entered.  If it matched, OK.  If it didn't...

> Of course, there were times that you could enter an incorrect VIN with
> the correct value and then the factory would reject the claim...

True.  Somethimes the math will work out anyway.  Checkdigits are only
about 85% effective in catching errors.

> ...it could still come to the right value by luck.

Yupper.  Luck it is.

A couple of methods are used to calculate check digits: some simple, some
not so simple.  Again, if anyone is interested in some of the methods
used to calculate simple checksums, either sent me a request or if
there's a bunch of you, I'll post it to the list.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 16:28:36 -0400
Subject: Re: G-body VIN codes

Lloyd Culp wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> I'll take that as a warning not to pick up any older women on the side
> of the road.

Certainly not my mother-in-law!   :o

BTW, she didn't speak to me for 2 years after that.  Then I had to throw
her out of the house just to get another 2 years of piece and quiet.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 14:35:34 -0400
Subject: Re: '70 paint codes

Don't know who sent the original message, but 55 paint code for 70 is Galleon
gold. Same as Chevrolet champange gold, buick coronet gold, Pontiac baja gold.
Chip number is 25G. Enamel number is j3-3079, acrylic lacquer number is
L11N2976. These numbers are from the Sherwin-Williams 1970 color manual.
Hope this helps.

Art Fuller

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 15:16:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day

>I would like to suggest to all you Oldsmobile gear heads out their, and do
>what I'm about to do.
>
>"Whats that", you ask; "why celebrate Pearl Harbor of course."
>
>How, "lets all go out and get bombed."
>
>Anon.

Excuse me, but do you even know what Pearl Harbor Day is about?  It was a
tragic day in American history.  Hardly something to celebrate or make jokes
about ("let's go get bombed, huh, huh").  Sounds like something you'd hear
from Beavis and Butthead.  A day to commemorate and remember, not a day to
celebrate.  Please try to use some discretion, Anon., er, I mean C.R.F.
- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Steve Ochs <76057.1404@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 15:54:47 -0400
Subject: Vin Codes

Vin code deciphering:
1981-1986

Digit   Description
1       Country (1=USA, 2=CANADA, 3=MEXICO)
2       Corporation (G=General Motors)
3       Division (1=Chevrolet, 2=Pontiac, 3=Oldsmobile, 4=Buick)
4       Car Line (G=G-Body, B=B-Body, etc.)
5       Sales Code (R=Cutlass Supreme, M-Cutlass Supreme Brougham, K=Cutlass
Salon)
6&7     Body Type (47=2 door, 69=4 door, 35=Station Wagon)
8       Engine Code (A=Buick 231 V-6, F or 8=Olds 260 V-8, V=Olds 263 V-6
Diesel,
                J=Chevy 267 V-8[Canada only], H=Chevy 305 V-8[Canada only],
                Y=Olds 307 V-8, N=Olds 350 V-8 Diesel, L=Chevy 350 V-8[Canada
only],
                9=Olds 307 V-8 HO[Hurst/442 only]
9       Check Digit
10      Model Year (A=80, B=81, C=82, D=83, etc)
11      Plant (P=Pontiac, MI; R=Arlington, TX; 2=Ste. Therese, Quebec)
12-17   Plant Sequence Number (starts at 300001)


1987-1988

Digit   Description
1       Country (1=USA, 2=CANADA, 3=MEXICO)
2       Corporation (G=General Motors)
3       Division (1=Chevrolet, 2=Pontiac, 3=Oldsmobile, 4=Buick)
4       Car Line (G=G-Body, B=B-Body, etc.)
5       Sales Code (R=Cutlass Supreme, M-Cutlass Supreme Brougham, K=Cutlass
Salon)
6       Body Type (1=47-2 door, 5=69-4 door, 8=35-Station Wagon)
7       Restraint System (1=Manual Belts, 4=Automatic Belts[Front])
8       Engine Code (A=Buick 231 V-6, F or 8=Olds 260 V-8, V=Olds 263 V-6
Diesel,
                J=Chevy 267 V-8[Canada only], H=Chevy 305 V-8[Canada only],
                Y=Olds 307 V-8, N=Olds 350 V-8 Diesel, L=Chevy 350 V-8[Canada
only],
                9=Olds 307 V-8 HO[Hurst/442 only]
9       Check Digit
10      Model Year (A=80, B=81, C=82, D=83, etc)
11      Plant (P=Pontiac, MI; R=Arlington, TX; 2=Ste. Therese, Quebec)
12-17   Plant Sequence Number (starts at 300001)


Note: In 1984, Pontiac closed the body shop at the G-body Pontiac assembly
plant.  The body shop was converted to Pontiac Fiero production.  All G-bodies
with final assembly code of P for Pontiac, MI were actually assembled in two
plants.  The complete frame, body from the firewall back, and paint were
completed at the B-body plant in Flint, MI.  The partially completed vehicles
were then shipped to the Pontiac, MI assembly plant for final assembly
(drivetrain, interior, front clip, and paint on front clip). Ever wonder why
your paint on the front clip doesn't match the rest of the vehicle?

For the VIN codes requested:

> 2G3GR47H5G2315974 - the '86
2 = Canada
G = GM
3 = Oldsmobile
G = G-Body
R = Cutlass Supreme
47 = 2 door hardtop coupe
H = Chevrolet 5.0L (305) V-8
5 = check digit
G = year 1986
2 = manufactured in St. Therese, PQ, Canada
315974 = # 15974 off the assembly line (#'s start at 300001).

> 2G3AM47J2B2468425 - the '81
2 = Canada
G = GM
3 = Oldsmobile
A = Car Line (A-Body)
M = Cutlass Supreme Brougham
47 = 2dr. Hardtop Coupe
J = Chevrolet 267 CID V-8
2 = check digit
B = year 1981
2 = manufactured in St. Therese, PQ, Canada
468425 = # 168425 off the assembly line

Steve Ochs  aka  N8TYS        ---------------------------
Engineer                      |                         |
GM Powertrain                 |     ##     ###     ###  |
Transmission Division         |   #    #   #  #   #  #  |
(4T60/65-E)                   |  #         #   # #   #  |
                              |  #   ####  #    #    #  |
'97 Blazer LT                 |   #    #   #         #  |
'87 Olds 442                  |     ##     #         #  |
'87 Grand National            |                         |
'76 Cutlass 'S'               |  The Mark of Exellence  |
                              ---------------------------
Unless otherwise indicated, the statements and opinions
expressed here are NOT an official statement of
General Motors or the GM Powertrain Division

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 19:21:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day

Dave Paulison wrote:
>
> Please try to use some discretion, Anon., er, I mean C.R.F.

WHAT!  Anon = CRF = WizKid?  I can't believe it!  What a shocker!

The 66 Toro and .... (I'm not tellin ya)


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@opihi.ohana.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 17:03:19 -0400
Subject: Gears

I am looking for gears for my rear end, a passenger car Chevy (C-type)
12-bolt w/ 8.875 ring gear...I believe it has a 4-series carrier
(3.90 gears).  I am looking for something equivalent or lower numerically.
Anyone got a set?

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From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@Direct.CA>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 16:29:45 -0400
Subject: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

If you don't want to enjoy a bit of clean humor and lighten up your holidays
then just press delete now... If you do need a laugh then read on...


As a result of an overwhelming lack of requests, and with research
help from that renown scientific journal SPY magazine (January, 1990)
- - I am pleased to present the annual scientific inquiry into Santa Claus.


1)  No known species of reindeer can fly.  BUT there are 300,000
    species of living organisms yet to be classified, and while
    most of these are insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY
    rule out flying reindeer which only Santa has ever seen.


2)  There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world.
    BUT since Santa doesn't (appear) to handle the Muslim, Hindu,
    Jewish and Buddhist children, that reduces the workload to 15%
    of the total - 378 million according to Population Reference
    Bureau.  At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household,
    that's 91.8 million homes.

    One presumes there's at least one good child in each.


3)  Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the
    different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming
    he travels east to west (which seems logical).  This works out
    to 822.6 visits per second.

    This is to say that for each Christian household with good
    children, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of
    the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute
    the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have
    been left, get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh and
    move on to the next house.  Assuming that each of these 91.8
    million stops are evenly distributed around the earth (which, of
    course, we know to be false but for the purposes of our
    calculations we will accept), we are now talking about .78 miles  per
    household, a total trip of 75-1/2 million miles, not counting  stops to
    do what most of us must do at least once every 31 hours, plus feeding
    and etc.

    This means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second,
    3,000 times the speed of sound.  For purposes of comparison, the
    fastest man-made vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a
    poky 27.4 miles per second - a conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15
    miles per hour.


4)  The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element.
    Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized
    lego set (2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not
    counting Santa, who is invariably described as overweight.  On
    land, conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds.
    Even granting that "flying reindeer" (see point #1) could
    pull TEN TIMES the normal anoint, we cannot do the job with
    eight, or even nine.  We need 214,200 reindeer.  This increases
    the payload - not even counting the weight of the sleigh - to
    353,430 tons.  Again, for comparison - this is four times the
    weight of the Queen Elizabeth.


5)  353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous
    air resistance - this will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion  as
    spacecrafts re-entering the earth's atmosphere.  The lead pair of
    reindeer will absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy.  Per second.
    Each.  In short, they will burst into flame almost instantaneously,
    exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in
    their wake.  The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26
    thousandths of a second.  Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to
    centrifugal forces 17,500.06 times greater than gravity.  A 250-pound
    Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of his
    sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force.


In conclusion - If Santa ever DID deliver presents on Christmas Eve,  he's
dead now.


(Note: If Santa would have driven a Toronado, then he could have fit all the
presents, travelled with light speed (GT version) and withstood all those
G's ;'))

Nick DiGiovanni
ndigiova@Direct.CA
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
1970 4-4-2

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From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 19:40:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

Nick DiGiovanni wrote:
>
> (Note: If Santa would have driven a Toronado, then he could have fit all the
> presents, travelled with light speed (GT version) and withstood all those
> G's ;'))

St. Nick,

That was my very favorite part of the story! But, I fear that even Santa would
have problems braking!

Sparky
- --
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 18:03:12 -0400
Subject: SSIII's on the side of the road, and keeping one's priorities
straight.

There's times when you wonder whether your interest/hobby/obsession with
Oldsmobiles has pushed you over the edge...

Thursday morning, my daughter's high fever had not left her for a few days,
so we decide to take her in to the doctor's right when they open, in the
hopes that I can get to work on time. My wife is driving (important fact) on
the highway to our doctor, and I'm in the passenger seat, and we're a little
behind schedule.

How we develop this ability, I'll never know, but as we're going around a
mile a minute, I see something on the side of the road. In the fraction of a
second that it is in my view, I can identify that it is an Olds SSIII rim,
probably with a flat tire, abandoned on the side of the road. I strongly
resist the urge to shout "pull over!" at that moment, though I'm not sure
what I would have done had *I* been driving...

Well, the plans to pick it up later that day wasted away, along with half my
mind, while waiting for a 3 1/2 hour front-end alignment on my '69 Toro.
Yesterday we had the first heavy snow, so I thought the better of venturing
out in rush-hour traffic to pull over to the slush on the side of the road
and dig the tire out of the snowbank.

Today, it warmed up a bit, and I rediscovered why I married the woman I did.
I explained that I was going to take our daughter for a drive, get a gallon
of milk, and pick up a rim that I saw on the side of the road three days
ago; without batting an eye, she says "Yeah, we can use some milk; what'll
it take you to do those things, about an hour or so?" :) I love her...

It's there, on the side of the road, and traffic is light so I have no
problem. It is a later 14" SSIII, which I'm hoping is a 7" wide version to
match the other oddball SSIII I found in a tire place's trash bin. As soon
as Dave P. on this list sends me the pair he promised (I'm still waiting...
:), I'll have a full set of SSIII's for my SX. Sure, the fronts will be 14"
and the rears 15", but that's nothing new for me (anyone else running such a
combination?)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: bryceman@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 18:18:59 -0400
Subject: Junkyard Finds

In case anyone is interested I found a louvered hood for '72 442 at the
junkyard today. It is perfect except for being slightly bent on the front
vertical surface next to the hood latch. Not visible with hood closed and
easily repairable. Still has chrome strip at rear of hood too. They want
$75 for it. Anyone interested can email me directly for the salvage yard
phone #.

           Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
            Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 12:14:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day

Mike Frederick wrote:
>
> Dave Paulison wrote:
> >
> > Please try to use some discretion, Anon., er, I mean C.R.F.
>
> WHAT!  Anon = CRF = WizKid?  I can't believe it!  What a shocker!
>
> The 66 Toro and .... (I'm not tellin ya)
>
> --
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO


Aren't discretion & Anon mutually exclusive? - or are you talking about
dis-cretin?  Wow, is it nice that the Toro list is exclusive.

Sorry, I had to get that out.  I feel better now & won't mention it
again.  This is the Christmas time & I do honor the Pearl Harbor
survivors & victims both American & Japanese.  Few volunteered for that
duty.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 12:21:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

Nick DiGiovanni wrote:
>
> (Note: If Santa would have driven a Toronado, then he could have fit all the
> presents, travelled with light speed (GT version) and withstood all those
> G's ;'))
>
> Nick DiGiovanni
>

Nick,

What if he used the 1965 model instead of the ultimate 1967 one?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

PS.  Thanks for the nice story!

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 21:32:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Pearl Harbor Day

Lloyd Culp wrote:
>
> This is the Christmas time & I do honor the Pearl Harbor survivors &
> victims both American & Japanese.  Few volunteered for that duty.

And few knew what they faced.

With hat off and head bowed,

The 66 Toro and SSgt Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 12:34:49 -0400
Subject: Re: SSIII's on the side of the road, and keeping one's priorities
straight.

Robert J. Barry wrote:
>
> There's times when you wonder whether your interest/hobby/obsession with
> Oldsmobiles has pushed you over the edge...

>  My wife is driving (important fact) on
> the highway to our doctor, and I'm in the passenger seat, and we're a little
> behind schedule.
>
> How we develop this ability, I'll never know, but as we're going around a
> mile a minute, I see something on the side of the road. In the fraction of a
> second that it is in my view, I can identify that it is an Olds SSIII rim,
> probably with a flat tire, abandoned on the side of the road. I strongly
> resist the urge to shout "pull over!" at that moment, though I'm not sure
> what I would have done had *I* been driving...

 Sure, the fronts will be 14"
> and the rears 15", but that's nothing new for me (anyone else running such a
> combination?)
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry

Bob,

I sold a 1971 GS Stage 1 Buick last winter w/that wheel combination.  It
ure made it a little faster than the old ordinary Buick Magnum 500 could
have been.

I ahve that same disease about cars & parts.  It also leads to
discussing something w/another in the car & suddenly speaking
automobile.  Everyone I know has gotten used to me doing that until they
are on my same wave length.  It seems that my tone & body language
suddenly say, "Hey, lets talk something really important.  This is
crutial.  This is car talk!"

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: sbento@mecn.mass.edu
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 18:58:31 -0400
Subject: Cranks, rods.....



Hi everybody,

I was out going through my garage today (finding stuff I thought I threw
out years ago!!) organizing all the parts to my 2 spare 455's. I think
this spring/summer I am going to build up a killer '55 to blow away my
Mopar and Ford buddies..;-) anyway I noticed that the three cranks I have
all are non nodular (no "N") I am assuming the one in the car is not
nodular cause its out of a '73, Can I use a non nodular crank in a 400 to
450 hp motor or do I need to start junkyard hunting in the spring??? Two
of the blocks are Fa and the other is F, I know the F is stronger, but
how much?? does it make a difference which one I use?? Also, the rods
that were in the "F" block are marked "XC" as opposed to the others that are
marked "GM"? this motor came out of a '72 442, are the "XC" rods much
stronger??

Thanks in advance!!!

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0

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From: bryceman@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 19:47:13 -0400
Subject: Junkyard Finds

OOps, sorry about that last junkyard find message. i just noticed it was in
error.  The hood is for a   '73 442   sorry. Here is a corrected version...

In case anyone is interested I found a louvered hood for '73 442 at the
junkyard today. It is perfect except for being slightly bent on the front
vertical surface next to the hood latch. Not visible with hood closed and
easily repairable. Still has chrome strip at rear of hood too. They want
$75 for it. Anyone interested can email me directly for the salvage yard
phone #.

           Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
            Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

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From: jmartin <jmartin@monroe.ny.frontiercomm.net>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:04:19 -0400
Subject: off email

Hi,
  could you guys please take me off your E mail list
        thanks jm

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 20:24:45 -0400
Subject: Re: off email

>Hi,
>  could you guys please take me off your E mail list
>        thanks jm
>


Wow, this one's ~obviously~ not from vt.edu!  We'll sure miss him! ;)

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 20:24:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

>What if he used the 1965 model instead of the ultimate 1967 one?

  ~65~ Toro?  Wouldn't we have better luck finding ~Santa~???    :-)

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 20:24:40 -0400
Subject: Re: SSIII's on the side of the road, and keeping one's priorities
straight.

Sure, the fronts will be 14"
>and the rears 15", but that's nothing new for me (anyone else running such a
>combination?)

This is the first time in years that I ~haven't~ been running that stagger.
Also helps combat the sagging-butt syndrome so many cars seem to have :)


Reminds me of a similar situation...  I was going down the highway, 75 or
so...  I saw a large trash bag on the side of the road, and a hubcap on top
of it.  I hit the skids, 'cuz I noticed just enough to suspect it of being a
GM spoke.  (which I had three of, at that time!)  I turned around, and sure
enough, that's what it was.  I grabbed it and threw it on right there in the
ditch!  A few weeks later, I figured out ~why~ it was there, and I never saw
it again :(  No major concern, tho, it was from a Monte Carlo!  I finally
got my SSIII's shortly thereafter, so I was happy.


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: idaholc@primenet.com (William Goodnight)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 20:53:41 -0400
Subject: 455 info wanted

Am putting a 455 in '49 Olds coupe and have some questions:

        1) The donor car is '71 Delta Custom, and the 455 has G heads.
Someone told me that these         are big valve heads.  Is that true?  I
plan a mild street rebuild with mild cam and 4bbl.  Will         these heads
be adequate? I plan hardened valve seats for unleaded.

        2)  I need left side steering clearance.  The down dumping left side
exhaust manifold is in the         way.  Did any model have a rear angled,
rear dump left side manifold like my right side
        (part no. 398 708)?  Does anyone have a part number or year model
vehicle it was used on?

Thanks!

Bill Goodnight
idaholc@primenet.com

------------------------------

From: idaholc@primenet.com (William Goodnight)
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 21:17:26 -0400
Subject: rear end ratios

Can someone tell me rear end ratio for 1949 Olds Club Coupe, 76 Model (6cyl)
with Hydramatic?

------------------------------

From: oldsman <oldsman@innercite.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 16:18:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Gears

Paul R. K. Kuromoto wrote:
>
> I am looking for gears for my rear end, a passenger car Chevy (C-type)
> 12-bolt w/ 8.875 ring gear...I believe it has a 4-series carrier
> (3.90 gears).  I am looking for something equivalent or lower numerically.
> Anyone got a set?     I have a set of 3:31 gears,ring and pinion only.
Chev. 12 bolt
  1969. Gears are in exelent cond. they are used. $50 + freight.
          oldsman@innercite.com   Russ Jones

------------------------------

From: oldsman <oldsman@innercite.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 16:22:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

Nick DiGiovanni wrote:
>
> If you don't want to enjoy a bit of clean humor and lighten up your holidays
> then just press delete now... If you do need a laugh then read on...
>
> As a result of an overwhelming lack of requests, and with research
> help from that renown scientific journal SPY magazine (January, 1990)
> - I am pleased to present the annual scientific inquiry into Santa Claus.
>
> 1)  No known species of reindeer can fly.  BUT there are 300,000
>     species of living organisms yet to be classified, and while
>     most of these are insects and germs, this does not COMPLETELY
>     rule out flying reindeer which only Santa has ever seen.
>
> 2)  There are 2 billion children (persons under 18) in the world.
>     BUT since Santa doesn't (appear) to handle the Muslim, Hindu,
>     Jewish and Buddhist children, that reduces the workload to 15%
>     of the total - 378 million according to Population Reference
>     Bureau.  At an average (census) rate of 3.5 children per household,
>     that's 91.8 million homes.
>
>     One presumes there's at least one good child in each.
>
> 3)  Santa has 31 hours of Christmas to work with, thanks to the
>     different time zones and the rotation of the earth, assuming
>     he travels east to west (which seems logical).  This works out
>     to 822.6 visits per second.
>
>     This is to say that for each Christian household with good
>     children, Santa has 1/1000th of a second to park, hop out of
>     the sleigh, jump down the chimney, fill the stockings, distribute
>     the remaining presents under the tree, eat whatever snacks have
>     been left, get back up the chimney, get back into the sleigh and
>     move on to the next house.  Assuming that each of these 91.8
>     million stops are evenly distributed around the earth (which, of
>     course, we know to be false but for the purposes of our
>     calculations we will accept), we are now talking about .78 miles  per
>     household, a total trip of 75-1/2 million miles, not counting  stops to
>     do what most of us must do at least once every 31 hours, plus feeding
>     and etc.
>
>     This means that Santa's sleigh is moving at 650 miles per second,
>     3,000 times the speed of sound.  For purposes of comparison, the
>     fastest man-made vehicle on earth, the Ulysses space probe, moves at a
>     poky 27.4 miles per second - a conventional reindeer can run, tops, 15
>     miles per hour.
>
> 4)  The payload on the sleigh adds another interesting element.
>     Assuming that each child gets nothing more than a medium-sized
>     lego set (2 pounds), the sleigh is carrying 321,300 tons, not
>     counting Santa, who is invariably described as overweight.  On
>     land, conventional reindeer can pull no more than 300 pounds.
>     Even granting that "flying reindeer" (see point #1) could
>     pull TEN TIMES the normal anoint, we cannot do the job with
>     eight, or even nine.  We need 214,200 reindeer.  This increases
>     the payload - not even counting the weight of the sleigh - to
>     353,430 tons.  Again, for comparison - this is four times the
>     weight of the Queen Elizabeth.
>
> 5)  353,000 tons traveling at 650 miles per second creates enormous
>     air resistance - this will heat the reindeer up in the same fashion  as
>     spacecrafts re-entering the earth's atmosphere.  The lead pair of
>     reindeer will absorb 14.3 QUINTILLION joules of energy.  Per second.
>     Each.  In short, they will burst into flame almost instantaneously,
>     exposing the reindeer behind them, and create deafening sonic booms in
>     their wake.  The entire reindeer team will be vaporized within 4.26
>     thousandths of a second.  Santa, meanwhile, will be subjected to
>     centrifugal forces 17,500.06 times greater than gravity.  A 250-pound
>     Santa (which seems ludicrously slim) would be pinned to the back of his
>     sleigh by 4,315,015 pounds of force.
>
> In conclusion - If Santa ever DID deliver presents on Christmas Eve,  he's
> dead now.
>
> (Note: If Santa would have driven a Toronado, then he could have fit all the
> presents, travelled with light speed (GT version) and withstood all those
> G's ;'))
>
> Nick DiGiovanni
> ndigiova@Direct.CA
> Port Coquitlam, B.C.
> 1970 4-4-2   This is an Olds page. Please take crap someplace else!

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 00:56:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

oldsman wrote:
>
> This is an Olds page. Please take crap someplace else!

Lighten up, man.

(notice you didn't bother to snip anything Mr Bandwidth)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: oldsman <oldsman@innercite.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 16:47:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

Mike Frederick wrote:
>
> oldsman wrote:
> >
> > This is an Olds page. Please take crap someplace else!
>
> Lighten up, man.
>
> (notice you didn't bother to snip anything Mr Bandwidth)
>
> The 66 Toro and Mike
>
> --
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>      Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>      (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/    Take your
CRAP SOME PLACE ELSE!

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 16:04:09 -0400
Subject: Re: FRAMES...  can you all tell me somethin'??

FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu wrote:
>
> Ok,  Here is the situation...
>
> 47 and 81 oldsmobiles...
>
> cutting off the 2 front ends and swappin' the frame / suspension and puttind
> (oops, thats putting) in an Olds 455.
>
> Can I hear what kinda  LEGAL  aspects I am facing if I should travel from
> one state to another with this kind of alteration?  and How about any
> information from our neighbors to the north and south of the USA on this
matter?

>
> sincerely,
>
> --joe ferrero

Joe,

Around here (AL) you can do the modifying all you want.  I ahve seen
these cars from all over the nation & I have never heard of a problem.

I have a friend who took a 1941 Olds 98 sedan & cut the front frame just
behind the cowl to receive the front frame & 425 + transmission &
differential from a 1965 Olds sedan.  It worked very well & drove well.
He also transplanted the 12 volt system, steering column, brakes, etc to
make a modern cruiser.  It is still around in the next county.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 00:11:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

oldsman wrote:

>This is an Olds page. Please take crap someplace else!
>> Nick DiGiovanni wrote:

> > If you don't want to enjoy a bit of clean humor and lighten up your
holidays > > then just press delete now... If you do need a laugh then read
on...


Oldsman (AKA Grinch)

All you had to do was follow these simple instructions and take it from there.


No need to start flaming! Its the Christmas Season...take a chill pill!

Sparky

- --
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 01:19:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

oldsman wrote:
>
> >>oldsman wrote:
> >>
> >>This is an Olds page. Please take crap someplace else!

> Mike Frederick wrote:
> > Lighten up, man.
> > (notice you didn't bother to snip anything Mr Bandwidth)

> Take your CRAP SOME PLACE ELSE!

Hell of an echo in here.   ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike

PS: Not likely, pal.


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: oldsman <oldsman@innercite.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 17:12:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

Mike Frederick wrote:
>
> oldsman wrote:
> >
> > >>oldsman wrote:
> > >>
> > >>This is an Olds page. Please take crap someplace else!
>
> > Mike Frederick wrote:
> > > Lighten up, man.
> > > (notice you didn't bother to snip anything Mr Bandwidth)
>
> > Take your CRAP SOME PLACE ELSE!
>
> Hell of an echo in here.   ;)
>
> The 66 Toro and Mike
>
> PS: Not likely, pal.
>
> --
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>      Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>      (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/  All you are
creating is junk mail on this page.  Why not try the Net Search for Christmas
fun?  They would love to hear from you!
           MERRY CRISTmas

------------------------------

From: "JOSEPH_W. BARKER" <BARKERJO@mailserv1.ferris.edu>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:01:38 -0400
Subject: 350 Olds parts swap

Hey Everyone,

I happened to run into a guy that had an mid 70's 350 Olds for sale
just the other day, complete minus the crankshaft.  Now I know
another guy that has a 350 Olds Diesel with a blown head gasket
(imagine that!).  Could I take a crank from a diesel and put it into
a gas motor?  These diesel crankshafts are forged instead of cast,
right??
Also I seem to remember reading an article about the possiblities
of converting a diesel motor to gas and stroking it to ungodly CID.
Has anyone heard of such a setup?

Joe Barker
84 Cutlass Calais RWD w/almighty 307

------------------------------

From: Brian Cizas <bscizas@orion.branch-co.lib.mi.us>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:14:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

At 05:12 PM 12/2/95 -0400, you wrote:
>> > >>This is an Olds page. Please take crap someplace else!
>>
>> > Mike Frederick wrote:
>> > > Lighten up, man.
>> > > (notice you didn't bother to snip anything Mr Bandwidth)
>>
>> > Take your CRAP SOME PLACE ELSE!
>>
>> Hell of an echo in here.   ;)

>>
  All you are creating is junk mail on this page.  Why not try the
>Net Search for Christmas fun?  They would love to hear from you!
>           MERRY CRISTmas


Welcome to another weekly edition of flame wars on the Oldsmobile mailing
list. Each edition promises the exchange of swear words between members, and
more. Tune in now. :-)

Oh, BTW, I'll join in on this and say: The post 'did' say that if you
weren't interested, delete it.  I'm not a genius, but if you are not
interested in Non-Olds humor, shouldn't you have deleted it.

Brian Cizas
1963 Olds Cutlass F85
1987 Olds Cutlass Ciera
1981 Olds Delta 88 Royale

------------------------------

From: Brian Cizas <bscizas@orion.branch-co.lib.mi.us>
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 1996 23:20:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

Oldsman wrote:  (A couple of times)
>Take your CRAP SOME PLACE ELSE
>

Mike Frederick wrote:
>>
>> PS: Not likely, pal.


I'll vouch for that and say that as long as I've been on the Olds list, I've
never seen Mike take his crap anyplace else ;)  You're stuck with it buddy.

Brian Cizas
1963 Olds Cutlass F85
1987 Olds Cutlass Ciera
1981 Olds Delta 88

------------------------------

From: oldsman <oldsman@innercite.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 17:57:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

Mike Frederick wrote:
>
> oldsman wrote:
> >
> > >>oldsman wrote:
> > >>
> > >>This is an Olds page. Please take crap someplace else!
>
> > Mike Frederick wrote:
> > > Lighten up, man.
> > > (notice you didn't bother to snip anything Mr Bandwidth)
>
> > Take your CRAP SOME PLACE ELSE!
>
> Hell of an echo in here.   ;)
>
> The 66 Toro and Mike
>
> PS: Not likely, pal.
>
> --
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>      Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>      (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/   I'll tell ya
what, if Santa would be KIND enough to bring the oldsman a 1970 AND a 1971 OW
transmission and put them under the tree oldsman would be forever happy.
While he is at it a 50 calliber rifle would be nice or maybe a Thompson 45?
What about a pair of F heads?  I know,a W27 NOS 3:91 rear axle complete drum
to drum!  Now that would get the oldsman's heart to beaten!

------------------------------

From: oldsman <oldsman@innercite.com>
Date: Sat, 2 Dec 1995 18:29:24 -0400
Subject: Santa  and Oldsmobile

Merry Chirstmas all.  I'am an ok person. I respect others rights.
Come on, this is an OLDS page. A little Christmas is great! Do you need
to go on with that stupid crap for ever?
   I did not use any profanity in my response. That came from the la la
land Liberals.

------------------------------

From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 01:55:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

oldsman wrote:

> I'll tell ya what, if Santa would be KIND enough to bring the oldsman
> a 1970 AND a 1971 OW transmission and put them under the tree oldsman
> would be forever happy.  While he is at it a 50 calliber rifle would be
> nice or maybe a Thompson 45?  What about a pair of F heads?  I know,a W27
> NOS 3:91 rear axle complete drum to drum!  Now that would get the
> oldsman's heart to beaten!

Perhaps if you were a good boy Russ, Santa would be bring you these items. Not
so sure the weapons are a good idea at this time. At least not until you get
your meds re-titrated.

Iv'e been asking Santa for Toronado stuff every year. He usually comes through
one way or another. But then again, I don't go flaming people. (especially
Mr. Frederick)

BTW, why do you respond to posts after peoples signature line....whats up with
that?

Sparky
- --
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 02:01:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Instrument Panel Swap... Some great instructions.....

In a message dated 96-12-06 10:33:13 EST, you write:

<< 	I have a diagram that Tom Millard made for this purpose.  I
 	suppose if someone wants a copy I could photocopy it for you.
 	I don't think Tom has made it compatible for the FAQ yet.  It
 	might be a good idea since this seems to be a fairly common	
 	swap.  I still haven't gotten around to doing mine yet, but it's
 	waiting.
  >>

I just got mine in the mail from Tom.  Man, what a nice set of
instructions!!!!!

Many thanks to Tom, for putting it together in a nice, all inclusive sheet
that covers all the wire swaps, etc.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 02:01:54 -0400
Subject: Re: A Sticky Question

In a message dated 96-12-07 01:16:48 EST, you write:

<< I'm in the process of reassembling my 72 Cutlass. Everything is going
 well, but I may have a problem with the engine. I have been checking the
 #1 engine cylinder with compressed air (through the plug opening). I
 found that it is leaking into the block while at TDC. I suspect that the
 rings are stuck. The engine has 11,500 original miles on it, but it
 hasn't been driven in at least a year. Does anyone have any suggestions
 on how to solve this problem without dissassembling the engine?

 JR  >>

One question... Is the engine warm when you're doing this?  As far as I've
always undestood, the car should be good and warm, since everything expands
when heated.  When it's cold, it'll look bad, and it's supposed to, to allow
for expansion.

Just curious.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 02:01:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Science at work: IS THERE A SANTA CLAUS? (NON-OLDS)

In a message dated 96-12-07 20:44:52 EST, you write:

<< >
 > Nick DiGiovanni
 > ndigiova@Direct.CA
 > Port Coquitlam, B.C.
 > 1970 4-4-2   This is an Olds page. Please take crap someplace else! >>

Well, since it says (NON-OLDS) on top, just hit the delete button, or ignore
it, etc., and it just goes away....  imagine that.....  maybe that's why the
author put it on the title......

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 02:01:58 -0400
Subject: Re: SSIII's on the side of the road, and keeping one's priorities
straight.

In a message dated 96-12-07 17:17:14 EST, you write:

<<
 Today, it warmed up a bit, and I rediscovered why I married the woman I did.
 I explained that I was going to take our daughter for a drive, get a gallon
 of milk, and pick up a rim that I saw on the side of the road three days
 ago; without batting an eye, she says "Yeah, we can use some milk; what'll
 it take you to do those things, about an hour or so?" :) I love her...
  >>

Yeah, I've got the same thing with my wife (she's great).  She doesn't care
if I spend alot of time working on the motorcycle/cars, etc.   Just figures
that she'll know where I'm at all the time.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 02:01:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Recessed valves, carbon

In a message dated 96-12-06 13:21:23 EST, you write:

<<
 I *have* done it. In a enclosed garage. Not a smart move. Confession
follows.

 I used a product sold here by Canadian Tire as "Super-Concentrated
 Combustion Chamber Cleaner".

<<snip>>
Delete Embarrassing Scenario....
<<snip>>

 Next stop, no blue smoke, no black smoke, car is back to
 normal. Whether it had any beneficial effect on how it ran afterwards is
 hard to say, but it definitely removed something from inside the engine.
 Greg Beaulieu  >>

<Ok, now that I'm done reading this, and have recovered from my near cardiac
arrest while ROTFLMAO.>

Yeah, I bet it did something, it probably just cleaned out all the shit you
dumped in there, nothing more.....

Would've been hilarious to catch something like this on tape.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 02:01:58 -0400
Subject: Re: off email

In a message dated 96-12-07 19:29:08 EST, you write:

<< >Hi,
 >  could you guys please take me off your E mail list
 >        thanks jm
 >


 Wow, this one's ~obviously~ not from vt.edu!  We'll sure miss him! ;)
  >>
And not beligerant about it either.....   Kinda nice to see for a change....

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 02:01:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Bravada Advertisments

In a message dated 96-12-06 11:40:36 EST, you write:

<< Hello Jeff,

 Well,  I did some checking.  Here's the scoop.  Oldsmobile offered a Bravada
 to AutoWeek to randomly select some of it's subscriber to drive the Bravada
 for a week and write about their experience.  AutoWeek then publishes the
 drivers thoughs and comments.  Next issue will feature a subscriber from
 Minneapolis.  This is all the detail I have.

 Heidi
 Oldsmobile Division >>

Nice... That's a slick advertising set-up.  Creative to say the least...

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 02:01:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Saving the good stuff

In a message dated 96-12-06 12:27:55 EST, you write:

<< My intent was one off's done on the CD-Writer.  These should cost
 under $20 apeice with the current cost of blanks.  The time to write
 a lot of these would be large however.  If you want to do a 100 or
 so, the cost should be a lot less, as we should be able to have that
 quantity pressed by some CD house.  We'd also need a commitment
 from list members to buy them...

 Anybody with a CD-Writer want to volunteer, if I put together
 the content?

 Anybody else been saving Digests?  I may be missing one
 or two.

 -Jeff >>

I don't have a CD writer yet, but I would be interested in purchasing an item
like that (the CD with everything on it).  The idea of a text search tool is
a good one to go with it.  Would be helpful rather than aimlessly browsing
through semi-topical articles to find just one that you know is in
there......   somewhere...

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 02:02:01 -0400
Subject: Re: 350 Olds parts swap

In a message dated 96-12-07 22:09:01 EST, you write:

<< I happened to run into a guy that had an mid 70's 350 Olds for sale
 just the other day, complete minus the crankshaft.  Now I know
 another guy that has a 350 Olds Diesel with a blown head gasket
 (imagine that!).  Could I take a crank from a diesel and put it into
 a gas motor?  These diesel crankshafts are forged instead of cast,
 right??>>

 Can't do the swap, gas and deisel engines are not the same main crank
journal size, the deisel is bigger.

 <<Also I seem to remember reading an article about the possiblities
 of converting a diesel motor to gas and stroking it to ungodly CID.
 Has anyone heard of such a setup?
  >>

I've heard it can be done, and have pondered the idea myself since I have a
couple of junkyard deisels nearby that I'm sure would sell cheaply.  Not sure
what the net CID come out to though, nor have I heard how much you can
actually overbore the deisels (though I've heard it's in the neaghborhood of
1/8 in. (.125 in.) or so).

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 02:03:52 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 info wanted

At 07:53 PM 12/7/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Am putting a 455 in '49 Olds coupe and have some questions:
>
>        1) The donor car is '71 Delta Custom, and the 455 has G heads.
>Someone told me that these         are big valve heads.  Is that true?  I
>plan a mild street rebuild with mild cam and 4bbl.  Will         these heads
>be adequate? I plan hardened valve seats for unleaded.

Those heads will be fine. It is doubtful that they are big valve heads, but
you can certainly make them big-valve heads; shouldn't cost much more than a
set of replacement valves and a regular valve job.

>        2)  I need left side steering clearance.  The down dumping left side
>exhaust manifold is in the         way.  Did any model have a rear angled,
>rear dump left side manifold like my right side
>        (part no. 398 708)?  Does anyone have a part number or year model
>vehicle it was used on?

Depending on what you are looking for, you might try an early Toronado
manifold, though those kind of point out and upward (yes, upward). You may
be able to route the exhaust *over* the steering column. OK, that's just a
last-ditch effort, but if nothing else works...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 02:03:56 -0400
Subject: Re: 350 Olds parts swap

At 10:01 PM 12/7/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey Everyone,
>
>I happened to run into a guy that had an mid 70's 350 Olds for sale
>just the other day, complete minus the crankshaft.  Now I know
>another guy that has a 350 Olds Diesel with a blown head gasket
>(imagine that!).  Could I take a crank from a diesel and put it into
>a gas motor?  These diesel crankshafts are forged instead of cast,
>right??

Nope, they are cast, though of nodular iron, I believe. The forged cranks
will be found on the '64-'67 330's, and any one of those will bolt right in
to your 350. Unfortunately, a diesel crank is the *only* small-block crank
that won't directly fit in your gas 350; the diesel motors have the
big-block 3.00" main journals, while the gasoline small-blocks use 2.50"
journals. Theoretically, you could cut-down the diesel crank's journals to
small-block specs; let me know how it works out if you do... ;)

The big-block main bearing size is one reason the diesel blocks are able to
be used with a big-block 425's crank to get a 440ci+ small block Olds.

I'd like to go the other way, and cut down a 425's crank to fit in my 403's
block (the way the Ch*vy guys cut down the mains on their 400's crank to
drop in a 350 for 383ci, just a bit more radical). As far as I know, that's
never been done, though if it were done, you could have a _500_ cubic inch
small-block Olds, given the 403's huge bore size. I've got a spare 403 block
just waiting; now all I need is a trashed 425 crank and lots of cubic $$$!

>Also I seem to remember reading an article about the possiblities
>of converting a diesel motor to gas and stroking it to ungodly CID.
>Has anyone heard of such a setup?

Yup, Mondello has a whole kit to do it; costs some ungodly amount for a
blockless engine kit, uses Buick rods, custom pistons. Whole lot cheaper to
go with a 455. The only reason I can see doing it is if you really want to
convince Joe Smog-Inspector that the engine under the hood *really* is the
stock 260, and the rough rumpity-rump idle is, oh, a vacuum leak...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 09:06:51 -0400
Subject: ADMIN: Save the Flames Please

Just to save further unnecessary messages, this is to advise that the user
oldsman@innercite.com has been removed from the list due to repeated
violations of list policy.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Chuck Rowe <badgeman@tcac.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 13:00:39 -0400
Subject: Re: oops!

While removing the intake manifold from a 455 I broke the base plate of the
distributor. Is this repairable? Will the distributor from a 350 fit in a 455?

chuck

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From: Mike Wolski <wolskmj@texaco.com>
Date: Sun, 8 Dec 1996 13:18:22 -0400
Subject: Re: photo-scans

FYI:

Photo-scans of the Olds parts for sale have been
added to my web pages.  Will be adding a few dozen
more within the next 48 hours. Ref:

http://www.angelfire.com/tx/mjwparts

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