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oldsmobile-digest        Saturday, 12 October 1996     Volume 01 : Number 329


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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:23:00 -0300
Subject: Re: '67 Rocket 88 Auto Repair Manual

Walter Miller's phone number is 315-432-8282.  When I went to his showroom 
to get a 1970 shop manual for my 442, he sat me down in front of his "1970 
Oldsmobile" drawer  (a BIG drawer) and let me rummage to my heart's content. 
 I got the manual (brand new) for 50 bucks.  He had just about every piece 
of factory literature for all of the 1970 Olds models.  This was about 6 
years ago, but I bet his prices are still reasonable.  Have fun.
Scott Mullen
'70  442
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From: Sam Watson
To: mullenrs; R Mullen
Subject: Re: '67 Rocket 88 Auto Repair Manual
Date: Friday, October 11, 1996 8:01PM


R Mullen wrote:
>
> Walter Miller in Syracuse New York is a leading business in selling 
factory
> manuals, old sales literature, etc.  I lived in Syracuse for many years, 
and
> visited his showroom frequently.  He sells top notch stuff.  He advertises
> in Hemmings.  Or, email me back and I'll find his number in my Syracuse
> directory.
> Scott Mullen
> '70 442
>  ----------I would really appreciate it if you could find the number for 
me.

Sam Watson
'67 Rocket 88

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:28:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Re: HP ratings

 On Friday, October 11, 1996 7:49PM, Nick DiGiovanni wrote:

>I would tend to think that the magazines (Car Life, Moter Trend
>etc.) rated the cars on hp exactly the way they were told to rate them by
>the manufacturer.

The 370 net rating  for the '70 442 W30 I was referring to came from Roger 
Huntington's excellent book "American Supercar".  He based his net ratings 
on a host of factors (weight, trap speed in the quarter mile, etc..... all 
combined in  a math equation.  I'll look it up if you're interested.).  He 
assigned the test car ('70 442 W30 with AT, 3.42 gears) the 370 HP rating, 
one of the highest in the group of rated cars.  I have a copy of the 
original road test he used from the March 1970 Car Life magazine.  Great 
reading.  Based on the figures you mentioned, the ratings of the Toronado GT 
engine (which I believe had the 442 W30 AT cam) were probably pretty close 
to the actual gross ratings of the engine.  The 70' SX was not a 450 hp car, 
gross or net.

>Let me get this "rule of thumb" straight.  If my car weighs approx. 3800
>lbs. and I remove everything (I mean everything!) except a bucket seat and
>my steering wheel so that my new "car" now weighs about 100 lbs.... it will
>be.. Wow..a 370 hp bucket seat and steering wheel!?!  Did I get that right?

Yuck, Yuck, Yuck!  Let me know when you decide to part out yer car.  Your 
370 hp rating will drop a bit, since you removed the engine as well.  My '70 
Holiday Coupe 442 is down to a svelte 3650, with more weight loss still to 
go.  Bet you run headers, don't ya???? (I'm grasping here, because it's 
really tough to argue with a guy who owns the same car I do!)
Later,
Scott Mullen
'70 442

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 23:05:00 -0300
Subject: Stomp 442

Any Anthrax fans out there?  I was net surfing for "442" and came across the 
page for the metal band Anthrax.( http://www.fanbase.com/anthrax/index.html 
) Seems they have an album called "Stomp 442".  Pretty wild T-shirts 
advertised for sale, featuring a '70 442 W30 convertible with a flaming, 
horned demon behind the wheel.  I was a little reluctant to post a note on 
their "rage page" asking which one of the maniacs in the band is the Olds 
fan.  Wonder if the demon runs headers...????  Wonder where he got the 
asbestos interior parts... Year One??  Check this site out.  You can bang 
your head and your shifts at the same time.
Scott Mullen
'70 442

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From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@direct.ca>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 21:12:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Re: HP ratings 

At 10:28 PM 10/11/96 -0300, Scott Mullen wrote:

>The 70' SX was not a 450 hp car,gross or net. 

I agree.

>Yuck, Yuck, Yuck!  Let me know when you decide to part out yer car.  Your 
>370 hp rating will drop a bit, since you removed the engine as well.  My '70 
>Holiday Coupe 442 is down to a svelte 3650, with more weight loss still to 
>go.  Bet you run headers, don't ya???? (I'm grasping here, because it's 
>really tough to argue with a guy who owns the same car I do!)

I was just teasing you there :).  Actually, I am not running headers but
rather the stock W/Z manifolds.  I believe that the W/Z manifolds are very
good and flow really well for a street car... in fact in order for me to get
collector plates for my car (which is 1/3rd the cost of our regular car
insurance) everything has to be stock and in Excellent condition.(interior,
exterior, engine, no rust, no paint chips, no dents, no aftermarket stuff
whatsoever ie. stock radio, and gauges etc.)  The car has to be 25 years or
older to qualify.  I am sending the application in for my car this month as
it is now fully restored.

Nick DiGiovanni
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
1970 4-4-2  

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From: boonedoc@netaxs.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:37:21 -0300
Subject: Re: Wide tires for your pig?

> 
> >From: Stanfell Boone
> >Date: Saturday, October 05, 1996 12:22AM
> >They all seem to be pigs in the corners anyways.

> R Mullen replied:
> I'm horrified by Stanfell Boone's "all seem to be pigs in the corners"
> comment.  Well, maybe horrifed is too strong.  My car can be a pig at the
> gas pump.  Anyway, the A-body is hardly a pig in the corners when properly
> prepared.

Stanfell Boone responds:
I'm certain to agree. I was talking stock rims with 205/70 rubber, stock
shocks etc. I definitely would like to reach that "properly prepared"
state in the future, but in the meantime, even with my 215/70 front and
245/60 rear (clearly not stock!) and that oh-so light power steering,
I'm just going to take it easy in the corners.

I recall reviews of the 70 or 71 442, praising its handling (above
average in a fairly bad lot), as well as its "luxury touches". IMO the
handling of those cars is to many of today's cars as the luxury of those
cars is to the luxury of today's.

I once went around a corner in my '72 cutlass 442 convertible in
February, in Toronto, crossed the sidewalk, slicked across some poor
soul's lawn and finally regained the street to proceed on my way. I
still can't figure out how I managed to miss the hydrant, the rose
bushes, the two saplings and the mature Maple on my voyage. There was
precious little room to navigate through safely, and I sure wasn't in
control until I was back on the street. This gave me great respect for
my lucky stars, and great wariness of the handling of that car in
adverse conditions. And that was with very sticky high performance
Pirelli's, Konis, etc.

Stan
'71 442 convertible

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From: "Benedict J. Raia" <raia@artswire.org>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 23:03:40 -0300
Subject: Delta 88 Conv.

Hi,

Just thought I'd mention that I decided to resubscribe to the list today
because I just purchased (last night) a '75 Delta 88 convertible.  I've
been on hiatus from the list since the unfortunate demise of my '77 Delta
88 earlier this year.

I'm happy with my purchase, although the season isn't perfect for enjoying
a convertible :)  Once I have a chance to fool around with it this
weekend, I'm sure I'll come up with tons of questions to post *grin*.

Take care,
Ben Raia
raia@artswire.org
'75 Delta 88 convertible

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 00:20:00 -0300
Subject: RE: Another Olds in a movie sighting

I think the movie you are referring to is already mentioned on the list.  It 
sounds alot like "Hot Rod", in which the villian, aka Sonny Munn, is the son 
of a rich root beer magnate who sponsors the local drag races.  He drives a 
nasty '69 442.  The hero drives a Hemi-powered Willy's and eventually wins 
the big race (Elephant Engine Ernie gets stomped by the Elephant) and the 
babe.  Unfortunately, he does not convert to the Olds camp, and thus spends 
the rest of his life vaguely dissatisfied.  Is this the movie you are 
talking about?
Scott Mullen
'70 442
 ----------
From: jzeilman
To: mullenrs; oldsmobile
Subject: FW: Another Olds in a movie sighting
Date: Friday, October 11, 1996 10:00PM


With Olds in movies being a popular subject lately, and some new names
showing on the list, I am sending this message again in hopes of finding
someone who might provide some info about the following movie:
Years ago I saw a movie called "Rebel of the Road."   It was a late '70's
B-movie that was about a bunch of kids in their late teens who spent all
their time racing cars .  One of the main characters (the bad guy), was
wealthy, and had a '69 442 that was really beefed up.  I am surprised that I 

remember the name of the movie, because I haven't seen it in at least 15
years, but fortunately, that movies name was branded in my memory banks.
 The movie was pretty cool, because the 442 was in it A LOT!  I have checked 

with many of the local movie stores here in St. Louis, and no one has ever
heard of it.  Has anyone else heard of it, and/or know where to obtain it?
 Please let me know.

Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

ps.. Blockbuster can't find it...been there, done that.

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 00:33:00 -0300
Subject: Turn, turn, turn

Stanfell Boone writes:
>I once went around a corner in my '72 cutlass 442 convertible in
>February, in Toronto, crossed the sidewalk, slicked across some poor
>soul's lawn and finally regained the street to proceed on my way. I
>still can't figure out how I managed to miss the hydrant, the rose
>bushes, the two saplings and the mature Maple on my voyage. There was
>precious little room to navigate through safely, and I sure wasn't in
>control until I was back on the street. This gave me great respect for
>my lucky stars, and great wariness of the handling of that car in
>adverse conditions. And that was with very sticky high performance
>Pirelli's, Konis, etc.

No wonder you slow down for corners.  I want to go riding with you.  My kind 
of guy.  I had a similar experience in my '69 Cutlass.  I got the boxed 
lower control arms and rear sway bar from a '70 442 (for 10 bucks) and 
promptly bolted them on to my Cutlass.  I then proceeded to ramrod around to 
a friend's house to show off my enhanced suspension setup.  He wanted a 
demonstration, so, me being young and stupid, we proceeded to go tearing 
down a residential street, down a big hill and into a left hand sweeper.  I 
sawed on the wheel to the left to set the car up for my usual 4 wheel drift, 
and instead of kicking out the rear end, the car tracked to the left like it 
was on rails!  I had to steer for my life, and overcorrected to the right. 
 The result was a rather smokey bootlegger turnaround in the middle of a 
suburban neighborhood.  When the smoke cleared, the street looked like 
someone had drawn the DNA double-helix model with Eagle ST rubber.  Car 
stalled out, with me sitting in my lane but facing in the wrong direction. 
 The old lady whose house we ended up in front of just about swallowed her 
partial, as she stood there raking leaves.  Did I mention that I was young 
and stupid then?  The car spent a few days under cover while my unwanted 
fame in the neighborhood died down.  My buddy, a Chevy man, was impressed 
with the handling, though.  The Eagle ST's never did ride quite right with 
the flat spots.......
Scott Mullen
'70 442

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 00:33:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Re: Re: HP ratings

Nick DiGiovanni wrote:
>I was just teasing you there :).  Actually, I am not running headers but
>rather the stock W/Z manifolds.  I believe that the W/Z manifolds are very
>good and flow really well for a street car... in fact in order for me to 
get
>collector plates for my car (which is 1/3rd the cost of our regular car
>insurance) everything has to be stock and in Excellent condition.(interior,
>exterior, engine, no rust, no paint chips, no dents, no aftermarket stuff
>whatsoever ie. stock radio, and gauges etc.)  The car has to be 25 years or
>older to qualify.  I am sending the application in for my car this month as
>it is now fully restored.

Nick,
Glad to hear your car is a stocker.  Sounds like you can make some interior 
engine mods with out incurring governmental wrath.  Once you get your ride 
listed as a collector car, do you have to have it subjected to annual 
inspections to ensure it is still original or can you start to customize a 
bit?  I live in Pennsylvania, and once you pay the $50 one-time antique car 
registration fee (reg. never expires), the car never needs to be 
registered/inspected/emission tested again.  No pesky stickers in the 
windshield either.  The plate they give you is kinda cheesy- light purple 
plate with white letters/numbers.
Scott Mullen
'70 442
P.S. Bet you would look great in an Anthrax "Stomp 442" T-shirt!
P.P.S. When you go out racing, leave the cigarette lighter out of your car. 
 The weight savings is equivalent to running 36" diam. exhaust pipes on your 
car.  The only draw back to the 36" pipes is the tendency of mammals to 
hibernate in the exhaust system during winter storage.  Check for grizzlies 
before firing it up in the spring.

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From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 01:08:54 -0300
Subject: HELP! HEAD GASKET PROBLEMS!

I rebuilt my '69 H/O engine 455 ci  040 over, 10.5/1 pistons, stock 
cam,still pretty hot!  Used FEL PRO Permatorque Blue gaskets.

Torqued to 80lb spec per sequence diagram, etc put gaskets in dry- No sealer,
Had Heads and Block straightened and Magnafluxed.  The heads 
magnafluxed twice!!!!!

Ran blue dye in the coolent, definitely exhaust gas in it.

What do I do now?   Torque to 200lbs!! Use FORMA GASKET my dads fixitall???

How about you High Perf Guys ever have this problem?  Do you O Ring???

THANKS

Jeff

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From: Darren Shroeger <redhead@mailmasher.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 01:14:26 -0300
Subject: *3.55* UPS posi 

Turns out the UPS posi rear end is a 3.55 12-bolt unit. Stamped right on the
outer edge of the ring gear:

3853010 11-39 G.M.

Apparently the seller wasn't too good with math, as he told me it was
a "3.73 out of a '69 GTO, less axles and brakes, rebuilt & w/ new clutch
packs, etc."

That's okay, though. The price was *right.* Like I said before, this thing is
CLEAN. And I think I'll be happy with the 3.55.

Tomorrow I get to pull the 31-spline axles out of my old carrierless gearless
rear end (currently under the car) and install them into the
new one.

Anyone done this before?

- -Darren Shroeger 
 '68 442 / 4-speed
 '80 GP Partsrunner / 350 Oldspowered!
 <redhead@mailmasher.com> *new email address*

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From: Chris Blumenstein <bluffin@netins.net>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 03:25:31 -0300
Subject: (no subject)

unsubscribe oldsmobile digest

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From: OLDSPWR@aol.com
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 01:47:18 -0300
Subject: Update on Rallye 350 show... 

To add to the confusion, as of last year or so, the Rallye 350 show is called
"Oldsmobile Performance Sunday".  I did not receive any literature on this
show this year, but the Englishtown flyer stated that Oct. 13 was Oldsmobile
Performance Sunday.  Just to make sure, I called the track today and they
verified it.

Hope to see some of you there....
Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com
79 Cutlass -> Street/Strip/Show 
86 442 -> Summer Driver 
79 Cutlass -> Winter Bomb

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From: OLDSPWR@aol.com
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 01:47:10 -0300
Subject: Crossmember warning... 

Be leary about those aftermarket crossmembers for the G-bodies.  One guy told
me that his cost $150 or so and it was of very poor quality.  So beware....
investigate it before you shell out your hard earned bucks....

Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com
79 Cutlass -> Street/Strip/Show 
86 442 -> Summer Driver 
79 Cutlass -> Winter Bomb

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 02:39:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Re:HEI Rebuild 

At 07:54 AM 10/11/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Did anyone else find the advance limiting "comb" in the Crane Vacuum=20
>Advance Kit ingenious?  It beats the heck out of welding and filing...but=
=20

Yeah, it's one of those things that must cost about 10=A2 to make, but
replaces at least an hour of sweat and filings. I thought about making a
pattern of the one from my kit and using it on my other motors, since the
total vacuum advance was the problem on my 10.25:1 455.

>for some darn reason I couldn't get mine to go below 38 degrees total. =20
>Great idea, maybe not as well executed as it could have been.

Hmmm, it limits vacuum, not centrifugal, advance. Is that the problem?

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Std. Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 02:49:14 -0300
Subject: Re: HP ratings  

At 06:33 PM 10/11/96 -0400, you wrote:

>Actually, the '70 W30 was rated at 370 bhp (brake horsepower)or Gross not
>Net.  This was still a conservative rating.  Net ratings started in '71.  
>
>The standard '70 4-4-2 was rated at 365 bhp, which is surprisingly only 5 hp
>less but had no OAI Hood and Air Cleaner, E-Heads, milder cam, cast-iron
>manifold just to name a few differences.  The 70 W30 has the OAI Hood and
>Air Cleaner, F-Heads, more radical cam and aluminum manifold and a balanced
>engine but only got a 5 hp increase?!? Very strange.  Also, even stranger is
>the fact that the exact same W-engine in the '70 Toronado GT was rated at
>400 bhp.  Back in those days there was an unwritten rule about having too

In fact, the 400hp GT motor was quite a bit more mild than the W30 motor
(less lift and *lots* less duration, no "F" heads or alum. intake), and my
375hp Toro 455 was even milder still. T'was standard practice to have the
flagship Toro carry the highest hp ratings, even when they didn't carry the
most hp.


>much power per weight ratio.  The general rule was a max. of 10:1 or 10
>pounds per 1 hp.  If the car had a 9:1 or 8:1 ratio (not compression but

Hmmm, they could rate the Toro GT's W34 motor at _500_ hp and still not
break that magical 10lb/hp limit...

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Std. Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 02:54:21 -0300
Subject: Re: my cars 

At 09:29 PM 10/11/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I will write with more information later, but for now I will just tell 
>you that I have two '83 Oldsmobiles - an Oldsmobile Cutlass Cruiser 
>station wagon and a Delta 88 Royale.  The wagon "Blue Steel," has over 
>140,000 miles while the Delta has about 192,000.  I will go into deeper 
>description later, since I have no time now.

Gee, guess you had to go out for a drive and put some _more_ miles on those
cars! ;)

Nice to have you here; any major work done on these cars? I had my 403 go to
220k before a rebuild.

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Std. Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

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From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@direct.ca>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 02:06:43 -0300
Subject: Re: HP ratings and True Story 

At 12:33 AM 10/12/96 -0300, Scott Mullen wrote:

>Nick,
>Glad to hear your car is a stocker.  Sounds like you can make some interior 
>engine mods with out incurring governmental wrath.

Yes, anything internal can be changed because all they see is 1 photo of
your engine compartment (They want 9 pictures of the car: engine
compartment, trunk area, driver floor (without floormats), Dash, Driver
Seat, and 4 from all sides of the car).

>Once you get your ride listed as a collector car, do you have to have it
>subjected to annual inspections to ensure it is still original or can you
start >to customize a bit? 

Technically the insurance on the car would be void if you ever had an
accident and you had some aftermarket guage or wheels or anything visible
for that matter.  But anything internal (ie. engine, transmission, rear end
mods) would be very hard to prove (Unless of course the accident sent the
carb flying about a block away revealing the Fogger II N20 System :)).
I have seen collector cars that have had visible changes done afterwords(ie.
CD player, aftermarket guages, car starting to rust or bubbling, headers)
and all I can say is they are treading on a thin line.  I have heard of
these kinds of people losing their collector plates because they were
reported on by someone.  It pays to be on the safe side.

>I live in Pennsylvania, and once you pay the $50 one-time antique car 
>registration fee (reg. never expires), the car never needs to be 
>registered/inspected/emission tested again.  No pesky stickers in the 
>windshield either.  The plate they give you is kinda cheesy- light purple 
>plate with white letters/numbers.

Here in Vancouver, the cost to insure my car is about $1000/year.  That
includes a 40% discount for having had no accidents otherwise it would be
about $1400.  With collector plates, the insurance is about $300/year.  The
catch is that you can only drive it for pleasure and you must have another
vehicle insured in your name (This is not a problem as I have 2 other
vehicles insured in my name and I only drive the Olds for shear pleasure
anyways).  The car also does not need to be emissions tested again with
collector plates.  The plates themselves are Black Letters/Numbers with a
White background and the words "Collector Vehicle" are written in a Letter
Gothic style print (very classy looking). 

>P.S. Bet you would look great in an Anthrax "Stomp 442" T-shirt!

I saw it after you posted the address.  Kinda neat but a little to much
fire. Also, I didn't think that the convertibles came from the factory with
a W-35 Rear Deck Spoiler.

>P.P.S. When you go out racing, leave the cigarette lighter out of your car. 
> The weight savings is equivalent to running 36" diam. exhaust pipes on your 
>car.  The only draw back to the 36" pipes is the tendency of mammals to 
>hibernate in the exhaust system during winter storage.  Check for grizzlies 
>before firing it up in the spring.

Funny you should mention this as it reminds me of this true story that
happened to me not too long ago.  About 8 months ago I left my garage door
open one night.  I thought "gee wiz, I bet some animal probably spent the
night hear.  Anyways, I did a quick scan of my garage intentionally kicking
stuff around to scare anything that was alive out and found nothing but some
spiders and a few ants.  So I went to start the car the next morning and I
didn't hear or feel anything different but I wouldn't be able to anyway with
the car at fast idle rumbling away.  A couple minutes later I quickly stomp
on the accelerator and kick out the the fast idle, back out, shut the garage
door this time and drive away.  When I later came back home I open the
garage door and I notice something on the floor.  I get out of the car and
see this furry thing lying on its side on the floor at about were my
radiator would line up.  I walk closer and notice that it is a a huge (about
2 ft. in length including the tail) rat that must have crawled up in the
Olds engine compartment during the night.  We live right along a Greenbelt
so we have all kinds of wild animals near by.  I grab a shovel and poke at
this dead (well disfigured is a better word) carcass.  I noticed that rigor
mortis had set in.  An autopsy revealed that the fan blade struck it three
times when I went to start the car that morning.  It was instant death!
What did you do with the poor little rat you ask?  Did you give it a proper
burial you inquire?  Hell NO! I used the shovel to pick it up and hurl it
across my street into the woods so the coyotes could have a good meal for a
change instead of eating my garbage (composed of potato chip bags and pop
cans) that I leave outside for garbage day once a week.  You see PETA, I
truly am good to the wildlife.

Nick DiGiovanni
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
1970 4-4-2 (Rat Killer aka BB Chevy Killer)

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 04:32:04 -0300
Subject: Re: W27 Rearend cover II 

In a message dated 96-10-11 16:55:45 EDT, you write:

<< Just curious: Would heat be a problem here? I'd think that as far as
 dirt goes, it's pretty much out of the line of fire Re: road splash
 and the like, but could you get heat discoloration of the "clear" coat? >>

I run three inch exhaust and since I have put the cover on the car in July, I
have racked up 2000 miles on the car and there seams to be no discoloration
of the cover.  I have taken the car on trips of 2 and half hours long about 4
times
in mid 80 degree days

W MACHINES  :)  Mark Prince
72 442 W-30

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 11:36:00 -0300
Subject: RE: "Rebel of the Road" (aka "Hot Rod")

Steve,

I think Scott may be onto something here (see below).  I don't remember what 
the other car was (I probably couldn't take my eyes off the 4-4-2).  Plus 
it's been so long since I've seen it.  Let's check this lead out, and get 
back to each other on it.  Thanks for helping out.

Jeff
______________
>>I think the movie you are referring to is already mentioned on the list. 
 It
>>sounds alot like "Hot Rod", in which the villain, aka Sonny Munn, is the 
son
>>of a rich root beer magnate who sponsors the local drag races.  He drives 
a
>>nasty '69 442.  The hero drives a Hemi-powered Willy's and eventually wins 

>>the big race (Elephant Engine Ernie gets stomped by the Elephant) and the
>>babe.  Unfortunately, he does not convert to the Olds camp, and thus 
spends
>>the rest of his life vaguely dissatisfied.  Is this the movie you are
>>talking about?
>>Scott Mullen
>>'70 442
_______________
>>Hey Jeff,

>>	I saw a movie recently that I believe is the same one your talking 
>>about.  Was the other main car a primered '55 driven by two
>> young guys?  If so it was on VH-1 a couple of weeks ago (on a Saturday). 
 I >>can't remember, but it seems like the name was
>>slightly different.  I'll check my old TV Guides and see what it was 
called.  I >>thought it was kind of hard to follow,  but the
>> cars were great.  The 442 was kind of a yellow color I think.
>>
>>Steve

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 12:52:53 -0300
Subject: My car is in Chevy High Perf. mag. (non-olds)

I posted this before but my ISP provider was having trouble and I don't
think it got through. For all that care, My Z/28 is pictured in the December
issue of Chevy High Performance magazine on page 140. Check it out if you
are by the magazine rack. Or since I know most of you love Chevy, you should
already be subscribed to it:):):) An an Olds note, I am trying to get my 80
442 in Car Craft, might be a long shot since the car is strictly Olds and
not Chevy.

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 12:01:00 -0300
Subject: RE: '69 4-4-2 engine pics

Glenn,

Hang in there, pictures are on the way.  I couldn't find any '69 4-4-2 
engine compartments, but am sending what I have.  Yesterday, I went up to 
Kinko's, and made color copy enlargements of the '69 W31, and '68 4-4-2 
engine compartments from those trading cards I have, and they turned out 
great.  I am also sending some black and white copies of other photos out of 
the book I have called "Oldsmobile Muscle Cars 1964-1971" that has some 
pretty good shots of the W31 at different angles, and also a couple shots of 
the '69 H/O engine compartment.  I hope they help.  It's the best I could 
do.  If I can dig up some shots of my old '69 4-4-2 engine compartment, I 
may send that too, but the engine compartment on it was probably the part of 
the car that was furthest from stock, and wouldn't help much (455 engine, 
fully modified).  I'll get those in the mail to you Monday.

Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible
(and X-owner of a '69 4-4-2, that I kick myself in the butt for selling)

>>Jeff,   I'd really appreciate it if you would send a pic.   I haven't 
gotten
>>any replys,         so I wondered whether my post got out or not.  If you
>>want to send them snail           mail instead I can make you an enlarged
>>color copy  (on a commercial color         machine) of a couple of pics 
that
>>you might like to have for yourself that would         be suitable for
>>framing.  For my use a scan would be fine.  I'm intending to 
        finish
>>the engine compartment this winter and need a good reference.

>>Thanks so much,

>>Glenn Connors    gpc442@buffnet.net

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From: glenn connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 09:11:39 -0300
Subject: RE: '69 4-4-2 engine pics

>Glenn,
>
>Hang in there, pictures are on the way.  I couldn't find any '69 4-4-2 

Jeff,
        Thanks for the update.  I'll be sure to check my mail Mon.

Glenn

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From: "C. Clements" <cclements@enquirer.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 19:49:45 -0300
Subject: It WAS a vacuum-controlled valve...

In case anyone was interested (though I see some of you are still
debating the vacuum operated heater valve)...
	Sure enough, the '68 Cutlass with the fading heat problem had a
vacuum-operated control valve towards the rear of the exhaust manifold.
So far, I've only disconnected one of the vacuum lines to the valve and
I have enough heat to roast a weenie with now. But, I'm still tinkering. 
	So to all, thanks for the valuable advice. 

	Chase Clements Jr., Cincinnati Ohio, and...
	granny's ex: 68 CS 4-door sedan.

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Sat, 12 Oct 1996 22:24:16 -0300
Subject: '70 442 weight

Just out of curiosity, how much does my '70 442 weigh?
I have the OAI hood, 455 ci motor, AT, Bench seats, air conditioning, 
and rear fin.  It is the Holiday coupe model.
thanks
Brad

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