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oldsmobile-digest       Wednesday, 18 September 1996    Volume 01 : Number 304


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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 06:29:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Member Contact List

> I know it's been mentioned before, but has anyone ever put together a
> contact list for all subscribers?  .  Some optional things to consider:
> 
> NAME
> ADDRESS (or at least city)
> PHONE #
> E-MAIL ADDRESS
> AUTOMOBILE(S) - YEAR, MAKE, AND MODEL
> HOBBIES (ie.. Model collecting, auto-racing, etc..)
> CLUB(S)
> 
> All we would need is one or two people to compile the list.  I am not
> exactly gifted with an abundance of free time, but I would be willing to
> help.
> 
> Jeff Zeilmann

Jeff,

This is a great feature of the Toro list.  I know only enough about this 
computer to get me this far & therefore could be of no help.  It is one 
of those situations where I am for something & then duck back while 
others get the job done but I am still willing to ask.

Bill culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:27:37 -0300
Subject: Re: 73-77 8-track Q's. 

>here's the problem- the 8track I bought
>appears to be in good shape, lights up when turned on, but doesn't emit any
>sound. It may be that it just doesn't work, but there is a terminal on the
>back which, according to my assembly manual, should goto a device called a
>"convector" which I didn't get from the 77. Does anyone know if this could be
>the problem or what Convector is?

How many connectors have you got back there? The mid-'70's if I remember
right would normally have three: Black->lighting/power/ground; White->Rear
speakers; Blue->FrontSpeakers (something like that). ETR types have an
additional plug for memory/display. Is there another plug on yours besides
these?

Another longshot thought: GM manuals are atrocious for typos. Any chance
that you are simply looking at a misspelling of "connector"? If it's in
all capitals, simply losing one leg of a capital "N" would turn it into
a "V"...

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:31:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Toro/Cutlass radio interchangeability- what _won't_ work 

>BTW, On this am/fm mono radio, there is a blue lead wire that runs from the
>front of the radio next to the tuning knob, which for all the world looks
>like a factory speaker wire. Is that what this is?

Typical industry color coding sez that a blue wire is for a power antenna.
You might want to test it and see if it goes to 12V hot when you turn the
radio on.

>There is also a speaker
>wire on the connector that plugs into the radio, which goes to the front
>speaker. Would a mono radio be equipped to play through two speakers?

Yes, I have a couple such beasts in my basement. I think one of them is
simply an AM unit, in fact; they were more interested in adding a fader
than adding a better tuner.  :-)

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 06:56:37 -0300
Subject: Re: email

> >
> >
> 
> Nope, it wasn't just local to Steven.  My mail tool (Mailtool on Unix, FWIW)
> was also terminating abnormally when I went to try to read mail... since last
> Friday.
> 
> It turned out to be a bunch of posts that were formatted in 'MetaMail' (sp?).
> Dunno if it was occurring in the MajorDomo or with the original poster --
> all of 'em were from Bill Culp (I forgive you, Man! :) ) -- and to get the
> tool to work again, I had to go in via elm to delete 'em.
> 

> 
> Tim Churchill
>

Tim,

I have no idea what I did, but I probably didn't do it.  If I did, I 
didn't mean it & promise not to do it again.  Possibly it is because I 
make such powerful statements.

What is 'MetaMail' anyway?  Does my using Netscape cause me to be 
involved w/MetaMail?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

P.S.: Thanks for the forgiveness.

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From: "ROB MALLAND" <storm442@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:05:16 -0300 
Subject: parts/cars for sale in Seattle area

Hello gang,What's going on? 
Got some leads on cars for sale here in the Puget Sound area.
A '75 H/O $2600.00
A '78 H/O $6000.00
A '71 442/W-30,3.42 posi A/T
A '70-442 grille
A '70-442 glove-box dr w/ 442 emblem $25.00

Is anybody out there in my area (Wash. state/Oregon state) that is on our list,
or am I just writing this to myself ?  :~) (ha-ha)

- -Rob Malland '73-442
 Tacoma, Wa  '96 Cutlass Supreme
 (Mechanical Designer--The Boeing Co. 777/747-600)











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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:02:20 -0300
Subject: Re: email

> >
> > It turned out to be a bunch of posts that were formatted in 'MetaMail'
> > Dunno if it was occurring in the MajorDomo or with the original poster
> > all of 'em were from Bill Culp (I forgive you, Man! :) ) -- and to get
> > the tool to work again, I had to go in via elm to delete 'em.
> 
> Interesting.  Didn't cause a problem in Netscape's email.
> 
> Hmmm...  Would this amount to Culp-able negligence?   ;)
> 
> The 66 Toro and Mike
> 
> 

Mike,

In researching my family tree, the proper derivative of Culp is 
UNCulpable.  We just dropped the UN to sound less perfect in this 
imperfect new world.  It is our way of appearing to be one of the masses 
while knowing better.

Bill culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 07:06:23 -0300
Subject: Re: The keyhole.

> 
> If there is anything I could do for You I would be very pleased to help.
> 
> Anybody having problems with SAAB, VOLVO or perhaps WARTBURG?
> 
> **********************************************
> * Esko Ilola                                 *


Esko,

I hope that you get the switch soon.  These guys & gals are wonderful.

I'll have my barn checked.  If I have any problems w/them, they will be 
exterminated promptly.  Thanks for your offer.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:06:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Toro/Cutlass radio interchangeability- what _won't_ work 

>>There is also a speaker
>>wire on the connector that plugs into the radio, which goes to the front
>>speaker. Would a mono radio be equipped to play through two speakers?
>
>Yes, I have a couple such beasts in my basement. I think one of them is
>simply an AM unit, in fact; they were more interested in adding a fader
>than adding a better tuner.  :-)

At the risk of explaining this answer to death, let me also add that this
was the basic sound system from the factory in Dad's '78 Delta 88: an AM
radio with two speakers, both up front at opposite ends of the dash. This
was really convenient when installing an aftermarket stereo because you
got two front speakers already installed which you could then wire in to
opposite channels. Stick your K mart 4x6's in the rear deck and your four-
speaker stereo is all done.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:15:48 -0300
Subject: Re: member contact list & question

yes, I think that that would be a good idea, I would very much be in 
favor of it.  

Here is my question for the day.
Does anybody know of any Olds clubs in the East-Tennessee area?

Drove the '84 Cutlass Supreme today on it's first long trip (long meaning 
over 30 miles)  Drove REAL good.  Only problems were:
slight vibration at 55 on speedo-- poss. flat spots on tires.  Poss. 
   where I had to have the driveshaft shortened.
battery stays low-- I need to put a temp. switch on the electric fan-- 
   the mechanical fan on the 350 wouldn't clear the stock hood.
The speed limit on 11-E is 65, according to the speedometer, I was going 
   45-50, a police car flashed its lights at me-- I take it that the 
   speedometer is a "little" bit off.

Bye for now.
Clayton Pierce
zcwp11@access.east-tenn-st.edu

(Required List of Current Vehicles)
'72 Mercury Marquis brougham (429/C6 4bbl)   [Bertha-- "The Bomb"]
'80 Rover 3500 (215 EFI V8)    [Ralph]
'84 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350/TH400 4bbl)   [Lucille-- "Pocket Rocket"]

Yes, I name my cars!

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From: Todd Morris <tmorris@bt1dc18e.bet.ibm.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:15:13 -0300
Subject: Summit Racing # needed 

 
Anybody got the Summit Racing phone number? thanks. 
 
Todd Morris 

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From: Steven Larry Cannon <slcannon@uncc.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:38:43 -0300
Subject: "x-sun" headers

Hey Guys,
	
	Spud sent an email informing me of "x-sun" headers.  I didn't realize 
it was sending these and see how they can be annoying.  Does anyone know of a 
way to eliminate these when sedning a message?

Thanks,

Steve

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From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:49:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -Reply 

>There is a metal flasher like a radio tube connected to your wiring 
>harness under the dash.  I would sustpect that this is failing.  You can 
>buy a new one or get one from a junkyard.  They don't often fail.
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama

Amen to that.  The one that's in there is prolly the original, and after 26
years of service, it's very likely time for it to retire.  I had the same
problem with my emergency lights.  When my headlights were on, they
barely blinked bright enough to tell that they were on.  So I replaced
all the tail-light bulbs, only to find that wasn't the prob.  Then I replaced
the flasher and haven't had a problem since.  You can get a whole
assortment -- well actually only 3 different kinds -- at any auto parts
store.  You can get a stock quality one (which would prolly do just fine),
a fancy-schmancy quiet electronic one (that's what I got.  So quiet you
can't even hear it.), or if you're hard of hearing, you can get an extra
loud one.  They are pretty cheap (about $2 for the stock one, up to $8 for
an electronic one) and I'm 90% sure that's your problem.  But don't shoot
me if I'm wrong. =)

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

P.S. - I don't know about your car, but on my '72 I believe there are two
flashers.  Make sure you get the right one... 

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From: Esko.Ilola@Tele.telebox.fi
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:44:49 -0300
Subject: Summit phone #

Item Subject: Sanoman teksti
Orders:
1-330-630-3030

Internet:
http://www.summitracing.com

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 05:42:04 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Electrical problem 

     Have you checked the bulbs?  I had one of those dual-filament (1157) 
     bulbs burn out and one filament fell down to touch the other one.  
     This caused my turn signals not to flash.  They would flash maybe once 
     every 30 seconds or so.  I was just about to replace the flasher when 
     I checked the bulbs.  Boy did I feel stupid for not checking that 
     earlier.


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Subject: RE: Electrical problem
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    9/17/96 12:49 AM


> When I run my lights at night on my 70 Cutlass the turn signals will not 
blink.

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From: eric_b_buckner@non-hp-om.cv.hp.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:49:09 -0300
Subject: Re: parts/cars for sale in Seattle area

Item Subject: parts/cars for sale in Seattle area
     Hey Rob,
     I'm down here in Albany, OR, just a few hours south on I-5. Used to 
     reside in Belingham and Port Orchard up there.
     
     Eric Buckner
     '64 F-85 Deluxe
     Albany, OR

"Sometimes talking to yourself can be quite enlightening" Albert Einstein

     


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Subject: parts/cars for sale in Seattle area
Author:  Non-HP-oldsmobile-owner (oldsmobile-owner@ccn.cs.dal.ca) at 
HP-Corvallis,shargw1
Date:    9/17/96 8:05 AM


Hello gang,What's going on? 
Got some leads on cars for sale here in the Puget Sound area. 
A '75 H/O $2600.00
A '78 H/O $6000.00
A '71 442/W-30,3.42 posi A/T
A '70-442 grille
A '70-442 glove-box dr w/ 442 emblem $25.00
     
Is anybody out there in my area (Wash. state/Oregon state) that is on our 
list, 
or am I just writing this to myself ?  :~) (ha-ha)
     
- -Rob Malland '73-442
 Tacoma, Wa  '96 Cutlass Supreme
 (Mechanical Designer--The Boeing Co. 777/747-600)
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
     
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From: brett@actel.com (Brett Chaveriat)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:15:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicago Area Member's Lunch

     
     October sounds good to me.  Let's track everybody's general location 
     and choose a central location.  I am in Arlington Hts. myself.  As far 
     as meeting place, let's choose a place where we have some room and 
     won't annoy others.  Also a place with an attached parking lot where 
     we can show off our toys.  Fudrukkers is an example of a good place 
     for such activities.
     
     Brett Chaveriat                                    Arlington Hts, IL 
     brett@actel.com
     72 Cutlass Supreme Convt.
     

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Subject: Re: Chicago Area Member's Lunch
Author:  "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com> at SMTPlink-Actel
Date:    9/17/96 10:14 AM


> There are doubtless hundreds of possible places to meet - Glenview, Skokie, 
>etc.  - would be great if ok for little kids too.  Any ideas?  How about this 
>coming Sunday?
     
Hmmm. No can do this Sunday. Given the number of people involved (>2), 
we'll need to work a little further into the future, IMHO. How does 
sometime in October sound?
     
Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431 
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com 
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473
     
     

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 11:50:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Electrical problem -Reply 

>P.S. - I don't know about your car, but on my '72 I believe there are two
>flashers.  Make sure you get the right one...

If one is mounted on the fusebox, it's probably the 4-way emergency
flasher. Push the button in on the side of the steering column and
see if the one on the fusebox starts ticking -- put your fingertips
on it and feel, if it's hard to hear where the ticking is coming from.

The flasher for turn signals that's actually triggered by the turn
signal lever is often mounted on the lower edge of the dashboard, in
a spring steel clip which helps the ticking noise it makes to resonate
through the dash.

Pulling numbers from memory here... if you car has three outside lights
(e.g. 1 front, 2 rear) on each side, use a #323 flasher; if it's only
got 1 front, 1 rear on each side, use a #552. But for starters, just to
see if you're on to something here with the flasher theory, try swapping
the 4-way flasher unit with the turn signal flasher unit and see if
there's any change, or even improvement...

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: kathleen jo faulconer <rocket88@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Sep 1996 13:00:30 -0300
Subject: intro,anyone with 50's olds?

Hi Everyone,

 I have been searching for an Oldsmobile list for a long time!
Imagine my suprise when I found a web page and MY car appeared as it came up!!
Yes, I have a 1954 Oldsmobile Rocket 88 that I use as my daily driver.
Question:  Is there anybody else on this list with 50's cars?
I only have been on the list for 2 days so I may have not seen you yet.
PLEASE e-mail me if there is anyone out there with cars like mine!

 There seems to be a lot of mail on this list, everyone seems very helpful!
I subscribe to another heavy volume list with catagory headings that you can 
subscribe
to (or not). This has worked out very well because people were unable to handle
the mail load and left the list. Now everyone is happy. I haven't been around 
here long 
enough to know if that would work here, but...you, maybe, should consider it. 

 As for my introduction, I live in Southern California with my husband and 3 
kids.
We have old cars as a hobby-mostly projects! My kids all want to drive 50's 
and 60's 
cars when they can! They hate new cars. We trained them right! We also have:
1954 Pontiac Star Chief (tons of work here!!)
1951 Kaiser Dragon (very cool, someday!!)
1966 Chevy Nova Station wagon(sorry guys.. its a pet)
1972 Mercedes 4 door
Also in the family:
1956 Buick Roadmaster(coming along)
1966 Olds Toronado(60,000 original miles and wants to stay that way!Doesn't 
want to 
run!)

As you can see we have a real mixture of cars here! If we would just restore 
them we 
could have our own car show! It only takes time and money. OH! Thats why they 
look like 
that!

Hoping to hear from 50's fans but this is great anyway! Have to join the toro 
list when 
we start on that one!

Kathleen 
Rocket88@ix.netcom.com

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:07:11 -0300
Subject: Re: "x-sun" headers

Steven Larry Cannon wrote:
> 
> Spud sent an email informing me of "x-sun" headers.

Don't have anything on hand but I beleive that's one of the Sun 
Microsystems mail format deals.  You might try roaming around 
http://www.sun.com/

The 66 Toro and Mike


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     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:13:58 -0300
Subject: Re: intro,anyone with 50's olds?

kathleen jo faulconer wrote:
> 
> My kids all want to drive 50's and 60's cars when they can! 
> They hate new cars. We trained them right! 

Ah!  Good Kids!

> 1951 Kaiser Dragon (very cool, someday!!)

WHOA!  Don't see many Kaisers -- of any type.

> 1966 Olds Toronado(60,000 original miles and wants to stay that 
> way!Doesn't want to run!)

We'll fix that.

> Have to join the toro list when we start on that one!

Welcome to the list, Kathleen.  And the Toro-Heads will be looking 
forward to seeing you on the Toro list.

The 66 Toro and Mike


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     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 06:05:15 -0300
Subject: Re: parts/cars for sale in Seattle area 

     Sorry guys, I'd take this to e-mail if there were an address there.
     
     I'm in Eastern Washington, but I'm headed over to Puget Sound later 
     this week for business (in my Olds!).  I'd like to see that '78 H/O 
     out of curiosity, but I'm not in a position to buy.
     
     Can you point me to any good boneyards over there that I might have 
     luck picking through for a few small pieces for my '84?
     
     Thanks in advance!
     
     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com


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Subject: parts/cars for sale in Seattle area
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at INTERNET
Date:    9/17/96 8:19 AM

Hello gang,What's going on? 
Got some leads on cars for sale here in the Puget Sound area. 
A '75 H/O $2600.00
A '78 H/O $6000.00
A '71 442/W-30,3.42 posi A/T
A '70-442 grille
A '70-442 glove-box dr w/ 442 emblem $25.00
     
Is anybody out there in my area (Wash. state/Oregon state) that is on our 
list, 
or am I just writing this to myself ?  :~) (ha-ha)
     
- -Rob Malland '73-442
 Tacoma, Wa  '96 Cutlass Supreme
 (Mechanical Designer--The Boeing Co. 777/747-600)

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From: o455 <o455@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:41:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Summit Racing # needed

Todd Morris wrote:
> 
> 
> Anybody got the Summit Racing phone number? thanks.
> 
> Todd Morris

SUMMIT RACING EQUIPMENT:
1-330-630-3030
Customer Service : 1-330-630-0230
Order Status Hotline : 1-330-630-0220


        There You GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO......

Jim  
Columbiana,Ohio

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From: "ROB MALLAND" <storm442@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:52:58 -0300 
Subject: Re:parts/cars for sale in Seattle area

>I'm in Utah right now, but was born in Forest Grove, OR (about 50  >miles SW 
of
Portland), and may be living back in Oregon before too >long. [drooling]
>Is there a price on the '71 442/W-30? =)
>-Blaine
>'72 Cutlass Supreme

Blaine, I'm making this a group reply so everyone can see how the '71 -442 ad
read:
1971-442 W-30,Ram Air,455,Turbo 400,3.42 posi,Dual Gate,Ralley Pkg,DB,Red
fenders wells,Hooker Headers,all orig. Tacoma, phone number:206.475.2624

This ph. # is also listed for another car:
1969 442-convert. 400 motor,AT,posi,Ralley Pkg,qtr.glass,top assem,deck lid and
more Tacoma. 206.475.2624

Hope this helps...
- -Rob

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:59:53 -0300
Subject: Re: email

> Tim,
> 
> I have no idea what I did, but I probably didn't do it.  If I did, I 
> didn't mean it & promise not to do it again.  Possibly it is because I 
> make such powerful statements.

That you do Bill, that you do :)

> 
> What is 'MetaMail' anyway?  Does my using Netscape cause me to be 
> involved w/MetaMail?

Dunno what MetaMail is, methinks its some sort of format for mail.  Never
saw it mentioned before this incident with my mail tool, certainly never
before with your posts.  Must be due to sunspot activity or the Moon being
in Virgo or sumthin' :)

> 
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
> 
> P.S.: Thanks for the forgiveness.

You're Welcome, my son :)



Tim (Who Died and Elected *ME* Pope??) Churchill
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'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, nickname yet to be determined
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: "ROB MALLAND" <storm442@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:01:20 -0300 
Subject: Re: parts/cars for sale in Seattle area

>Sorry guys, I'd take this to e-mail if there were an address there.
>I'm in Eastern Washington, but I'm headed over to Puget Sound later 
>this week for business (in my Olds!).  I'd like to see that '78 H/O 
>out of curiosity, but I'm not in a position to buy.
>Can you point me to any good boneyards over there that I might have 
>luck picking through for a few small pieces for my '84?
>Thanks in advance!
>Tom Lentz
>tlentz@teknon.com

Tom, sorry no e-mail address. it is: STORM442@hotmail.com
     I am making this "public" to talk about Seattle-area boneyards.

I haven't seen any advertise for H/O parts in a while.. they usually post those
in the paper because they know the value of them i.e. I responded to a
parting:'74-442 they had plenty of '74 cutlasses-but knew they would get a
response from the words 442 or H/O. I have been to almost every yard over here
and don't know of any that have more 442 or H/O parts than any other..Sorry! If
I see any '84-H/O's parting I will E-mail you.


- -Rob Malland '73-442

(Disregard the advertisment at the end of my messages about Hotmail--It's the
price I pay for free E-mail!!)






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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:01:46 -0300
Subject: Re: The keyhole.

> > If there is anything I could do for You I would be very pleased to help.
> > 
> > Anybody having problems with SAAB, VOLVO or perhaps WARTBURG?

Only when one of 'em is impeding progress in the fast lane, Esko :)

> > 
> > **********************************************
> > * Esko Ilola                                 *
> 



Tim (Have you Hugged Your Wartburg Today?) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, nickname yet to be determined
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:01:00 -0300
Subject: Re: parts/cars for sale in Seattle area

Rob,

Is the '71 442/W-30,3.42 posi A/T mentioned below, the whole car, the gears, 
and differential, or the whole rearend?  If it is the whole rear end, I 
would be very interested in it.

Please let me know,

Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

<<Got some leads on cars for sale here in the Puget Sound area.
<<****A '71 442/W-30,3.42 posi A/T
<<-Rob Malland '73-442

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:05:58 -0300
Subject: Re: "x-sun" headers

> From edison3@cpeq.com Tue Sep 17 12:09:17 1996
> Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:07:11 -0300
> From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
> Subject: Re: "x-sun" headers
> To: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
> MIME-version: 1.0
> Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
> 
> Steven Larry Cannon wrote:
> > 
> > Spud sent an email informing me of "x-sun" headers.
> 
> Don't have anything on hand but I beleive that's one of the Sun 
> Microsystems mail format deals.  You might try roaming around 
> http://www.sun.com/
> 
> The 66 Toro and Mike
> 
> 
> -- 
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>      Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>      (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
> 
> 
> 
Steven:

In Mailtool, anyway, under the 'Properties' button, one can disable all
kinds of fields for display in the message, and the x-sun header is one of 'em.

Hope this helps!



Tim (Who Died and Made *ME* a Unix Expert??) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, nickname yet to be determined
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: pnelson@cyberport.net (Nelson)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:08:03 -0300
Subject: Parts 

OK this is what I have, Stripping an 67 delta 88.

The seats (bench)have no rips at all.
The carpet(god forbid anyone would want it) is self renueing (mold)
The dash came out ok and all the gauges are intact and work
Crank wing and side windows
The trim around the ft win is intact and a lovely shade of cream..
The grill looks to be ok and the turn signal trim is all there (four layers)
All the wheel well trim is ok, want the entire front wheel well?
The gas tank is going to be yanked and will join the 98's in a pile should
anyone want it
All I need of the doors is the outer skin and I would consider another bent
door in trade.
Still have the windows out of the 66 98 and expect to get them out intact
from the 67 88 also
The beastie had air so did the 98, any I still have both.
Heater box will come out nicely if anyone wants it, if not Hatchet Time!
Still have the grill and head light assembly out of the 66 98 also the t
lights, a little worse for the ware.
I am just intirely gutting this thing so send in requests, I am not above
trading and am looking for a disk setup that would fit the 67 88
Anyone want fr drums? I've got 5
Also any in formation about the worth of a Buick 430 would be aprecated,
runs but really needs a tune up.
I really don't want to see the trim and things go to the dump again and
could be talked down to COD for shipping.
Kenneth

PS:  I am looking for sponsors for this Olds we race.  Just think of a
classic Olds punching through an impala, does my heart good...hey just how
long can I run a 425 at 5500 RPM's anyway?

------------------------------

From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:16:45 -0300
Subject: Re: 73-77 8-track Q's.

At 11:34 PM 9/16/96 -0300, DrkSole@aol.com wrote:

>them on my car. Now, (finally), here's the problem- the 8track I bought
>appears to be in good shape, lights up when turned on, but doesn't emit any
>sound. It may be that it just doesn't work, but there is a terminal on the
>back which, according to my assembly manual, should goto a device called a
>"convector" which I didn't get from the 77. Does anyone know if this could be
>the problem or what Convector is? Thanks.
>DrkSole
> 73 Cutlass Supreme
>              Sorry about how long the post was.

Could be a blown internal amp in the radio. I hae had a few like that. I
took a factory cassette radio from a 77 and put it into my 75 H/O and worked
fine. In fact I have installed an 87 GM Delco radio into a 73 Cutlass using
the stock factory hookups, no cutting of wires. The new radio had no hookups
for the pushbutton clock feature and one other wire was not hooked up but it
worked.

________________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
Grad Student in Sports Administration at Kent State University
1988 Iroc Z/28	1974 Buick Riveria Stage I 455
1980 4-4-2 W-30	1975 Hurst/Olds W-25

------------------------------

From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:16:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Toro/Cutlass radio interchangeability- what _won't_ work 

The blue wire is on my radio too, I hook it to the reverb unit. I think.
Hmm. Anyway my mono am/fm radio runs thru front and rear speakers.
Definitely. I have it apart right now, or I could tell you more definitely.

cf

------------------------------

From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:27:20 -0300
Subject: Re: barns, fields for cars

At 12:39 AM 9/17/96 -0300, sbento@mecn.mass.edu wrote:
>
>HUH,????
>
>In MA you are required to get a title for every car now.

In Ohio you do also. When I purchase a car out of the salvage yard I am
issued a piece of paper that lets me drive the car to an inspection place
only and this paper also allows me to keep the car at my house as long as I
shop "sufficient" progress is being made in making the car roadworthy. Cops
check up on this if the car sets for long periods of time with no work. If
it is setting in a garage or enclosed area they don't care how long you
take. My 88 Z/28 was a theft car too. The bare shell was purchased at a
salvage yard and a 1982 Z/28 parts car was purchased at a salvage auction to
put it back together. Both got the title's mentioned above. The way I get
all the other cars and not get titles right away  is I have the cars
registered on paper  to the family towing company. When a towing company
registers them they do not need a title at that time.

________________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
Grad Student in Sports Administration at Kent State University
1988 Iroc Z/28	1974 Buick Riveria Stage I 455
1980 4-4-2 W-30	1975 Hurst/Olds W-25

------------------------------

From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:24:13 -0300
Subject: Battery Disconnect? 

Oh, you mean _before_ you started stripping and soldering 2 guage wire
with a bowie knife and acetylene torch you're supposed to disconnect
the battery?

Maybe that's why I had such a successful Olds carbeque. We spit roasted
a pig over the rapidly decaying dash wiring. Very tasty with that 
burnt insulation induced smoke flavor!

Uh, yeah, disconnected the battery first thing. Instinctive reaction to
smoking wiring. Maybe my dad's electrical engineering knowledge did get
passed on to me...
cf

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 13:18:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Toro/Cutlass radio interchangeability- what _won't_ work 

>The blue wire is on my radio too, I hook it to the reverb unit. I think.

I should probably scale back what I said, then. The blue wire is _usually_
used as a power antenna feed, but in any event, it would (typically) be
the only "outbound" wire which goes hot when the radio is switched on, and
you can do various things with that, including tripping the relay for the
power antenna or turning on an external amplifier or power booster. Just
to be safe, you'd want to power a relay with it, not try and draw all the
power you need from that blue wire directly.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 14:59:03 -0300
Subject: Re: parts/cars for sale in Seattle area

At 12:05 PM 9/17/96 -0300, ROB MALLAND wrote:
>Hello gang,What's going on? 
>Got some leads on cars for sale here in the Puget Sound area.
>A '75 H/O $2600.00
>A '78 H/O $6000.00

Must be 79 H/O. No 78's were made. If you ever find an 80 442 for sale tell
me. I have checked everywhere and not found one.


________________________________________________________
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
Grad Student in Sports Administration at Kent State University
1988 Iroc Z/28	1974 Buick Riviera Stage I 455
1980 4-4-2 W-30	1975 Hurst/Olds W-25

------------------------------

From: lawrencr@kostabi.gdls.com (Robert Lawrence)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 12:56:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Insurance Info?

> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
> 
> P.S.:  Do you want to hear about the lawyers & doctor's we indited on 
> the grand just last week?

Ahh, go ahead.  I sense that you are dying to tell us.  But, you might
want to start with somthing like, "I drove down to the court in my
Oldsmobile..."

- 
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert Lawrence   | 1970 Oldsmobile 98 Convertible               .^.
lawrencr@gdls.com |  _________,~--,___________\____________     /9|8\
(810) 825-5450    |  |                |~    |        ___   |    \}|{/
Sterling Hts., MI |  =------(-o-)-------------------( o )--=      v

------------------------------

From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:13:33 -0300
Subject: Steele Rubber Products

Does anyone have the number (preferably 800 number) for Steele Rubber 
Products. I would 
like to order the catalog.

Better yet, do they have a web site?

TIA

Sparky
- -- 
Greg Kalkhoff                                      Driven Images
4217 W. Fond du Lac Ave.                http://cpeq.com/~edison3/dihome.html
Milwaukee, WI.  53216	
414-447-7500

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:27:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Steele Rubber Products

Gregory G. Kalkhoff wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have the number (preferably 800 number) for Steele Rubber 
> Products. I would like to order the catalog.

800-544-8665

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: Frank Boerger <103454.317@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:43:48 -0300
Subject: FW: Steele Rubber Products

Cousin Greg:

Steele Rubber web site :

http://www.steelerubber.com

Frank Boerger

>Does anyone have the number (preferably 800 number) for Steele Rubber
>Products. I would like to order the catalog.

>Better yet, do they have a web site?

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 10:48:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Summit Racing # needed

> 
> Anybody got the Summit Racing phone number? thanks.
> 
> Todd Morris

Todd,

Try 1-330-630-3030.  I believe that there is a web page also.   BTW: an 
article inn the current catalog says:
  /\	
 /  \   
/    \
\  1 /  "Emissions Legal" Explained
 \  /	
  \/
     Trying to build a high performance, emissions-legal vehicle can be 
a big challenge when you don't know which parts are smog-approved and 
which aren't.  To find 50-state emissions-legal parts in this catalog, 
look for the green "smog-legal" diamond.  This symbol, developed by 
parts manufacturers and the specialty Equipment Marketing Association 
(SEMA), assures you that a part has either been granted a California Air 
Resources Board (CARB) exemption - called an E.O. number - or is 
considered a direct replacement part......

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:40:34 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Chicago Area Member's Lunch 

Yeah this Sunday is out for myself.  Here is the current member(?) list.  
We should discuss this off the list, but post the planned date, time to the 
list.  Help me fill in the blanks here:

Name              e-mail                             phone         home city
- ----              ------                             -----         ---------
David Wilk        dww@lb.com                         312/432-7617  
Andy Green        acg@dlogics.com                    312/266-4431  
Brett Chaveriat   brett@actel.com                                  
Jeff Easton       Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com                
David Brown       dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu       312/702-9157  St. Charles
Michael Brady     DrOlds@???                                       Naperville

David Brown          OCA #27978         (312) 702-9157
    Check out: www.442.com      www.oldsmobile.com
               FAQ version 2.0 due soon!

- ------------
Hmmm. No can do this Sunday. Given the number of people involved (>2),
we'll need to work a little further into the future, IMHO. How does
sometime in October sound?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Roland Klinger <Roland.Klinger@bonn.netsurf.de>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:02:32 -0300
Subject: New Member 

Hello to all, hi Kathleen, here=B4s another rocket88;

my name is Roland Klinger and I live in a small town near Bonn, Germany. I
enjoy participating in this list since a few days.
I=B4d like to say I drive a 1956 Olds 88 2-dr Coupe, but there are engine=
 and
tranny looking like new but still lying besides the car, but I=B4m a very
patient man, so some day the car will run.

Four years ago, I got that car from a friend in Minnesota, who searched it
for me and shipped it to Germany. I took really everything apart, got every
piece in shape and put it together to a state a little bit better as when
produced. Such a job makes a patient man out of you.

Why??? I had been in Fort Bliss, Tex in 1965 as a member of the German Air
Force  for a Hawk-Training. Fresh German drivers licence in the pocket and a
=B456 Olds 88 for 600 $ was my first car ever for half a year (then sold for
300 $ with no reverse but "wonder oil" in the tranny <g>).

When a man crosses the 50 years line, he gets old or wild or mad. I decided
to get the same model as my first car and restore it. (Never did such a job
before.) My friend Paul in Minnesota called the car my midlife crisis pill -
it is.

So I hope that in next spring it is Olds again after all those Opel,
Renault, Alfa, Benz, Honda, Hyundai, Lancia, VW.

I=B4ll tell you!

greetings, Roland

------------------------------

From: "ROB MALLAND" <storm442@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 15:05:40 -0300 
Subject: 78 H/O? 79 H/O?

 ROB MALLAND wrote:
>>Hello gang,What's going on? 
>>Got some leads on cars for sale here in the Puget Sound area.
>>A '75 H/O $2600.00
>>A '78 H/O $6000.00
>
>Must be 79 H/O. No 78's were made. If you ever find an 80 442 for sale tell
>me. I have checked everywhere and not found one.


I thought it might be a typo-- but I am not an expert--every time I spout off
about knowing something, I get shown up--so I wasn't sure-I just quoted the ad.
- -
Rob Malland









.

- ---------------------------------------------------------
Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
- ---------------------------------------------------------

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:39:43 -0300
Subject: Re: New Member

Roland,

Guten Tag!  Another Olds in Europe!  Geez, pretty soon we're all gonna 
have to start planning trips over there just to go junkyarding.

I used to live in Otterbach (near Otterberg) and later in Wiesbaden 
(71-74).  You might still find my old 66 Toronado running around there 
somewhere.

> Four years ago, I got that car from a friend in Minnesota, who searched 
> it for me and shipped it to Germany. 

Now, THAT's a friend.

> When a man crosses the 50 years line, he gets old or wild or mad. I 
> decided to get the same model as my first car and restore it.

Now here's guy after my own heart.  I went for 15 years before I replaced 
the above mentioned Toronado.  It's in the garage.  :)

> So I hope that in next spring it is Olds again after all those Opel,
> Renault, Alfa, Benz, Honda, Hyundai, Lancia, VW.

Ich verstehen.  Oldsmobile uber alles!

The 66 Toro and Mike 

(spelling may be a bit rusty)


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:51:15 -0300
Subject: salvage titles

> What I really need is a way to geet rid of that "salvage title" 
> thing on my 75 H/O title since it is not a salvage car.

Here's a thought - move the car out of state and then back in.  You'll 
need friends/family/someone you trust in another state, but I'm 
thinking that if you picked the right "other" state (someone mentioned 
Alabama not doing titles for older cars) then when the car came back 
into your state they wouldn't be able to know that the car was salvage 
or not.  Unless of course they keep old records of cars that have left 
the state.

Disclaimer - this boarders on immoral and might be illegal.  In your 
case I don't find it that immoral, but I can see where others might.  
I can also see where authorities would pass laws against this kind of 
thing to prevent people from selling salvaged cars as non-wrecked 
low-mile originals.  In short, cover your ass.


- - Travis and the 69 olds 98 convertible aka "Tiny"

- --
Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

------------------------------

From: "Jason P. Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:07:35 -0300
Subject: Re: salvage titles

tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com wrote:
> 
> > What I really need is a way to geet rid of that "salvage title"
> > thing on my 75 H/O title since it is not a salvage car.
> 
> Here's a thought - move the car out of state and then back in.  You'll


I see what you are saying. I know enough people now that I could shove 
money under the table to clear the title, but don't want my ass in a 
sling if they get caught. There is a good way, just have to research it.
- -- 
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
88 Iroc-Z/28............daily driver
80 Olds 442 W-30........show car
75 Hurst/Olds W-25......restoration project
74 Riviera Stage I 455..winter ride

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:38:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Another color

On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, James Thingwold (well, actually it was Lisa Madsen) 
wrote:
> Just when I'd decided to change the scanned ad at the top of my home page to
> my 1970  Dr. Olds 4-4-2 Car and Driver ad, all this hoo-haa over the yellow
> on my other Car & Driver ad comes up.  I'm afraid to change it now for fear
> someone will say "hey, whats that gold color called......" and we'll all be
> off for another week on colors.  Granted, that saffron (or whatever it was
> decided to be)  didnt scan as well as a photo, but its one of my favorite
> ads (framed on the wall they look alot better).  I collect em.   I should
> probably put up my '67 Vista Cruiser ad, its white - that'd be safe.

I meant to mention that I picked up an original copy of that '68 yellow 
4-4-2 convert ad at a swap meet last month. The problem with the color 
isn't the scan - it's the ad itself. My copy looks exactly like the one 
on Lisa's page, and I think it's safe to say that the GM ad guys back 
then decided that saffron just wasn't a bold enough yellow for the ad 
they wanted, so they did some creative work with filters or whatever. 
Hang in there, Lisa!

PS: Lisa: any relation to Virginia Madsen, the movie actress?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 16:40:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Another color 

>PS: Lisa: any relation to Virginia Madsen, the movie actress?

Would be interesting if you were; I went to school with her (Virginia).
New Trier East High School in Winnetka, IL. Movie star factory of the
Midwest...

No, Virginia wouldn't know me personally...  :-(

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:13:43 -0300
Subject: Re: Salvage yard in Montana

> > Scott
> >  			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98
> 
> Scott
> 
> Are you the guy who wanted to know where the fender for my '67 Ninety Eight
> came from?  It came from a Salvage Yard called Freeman's.  

	Hmmm.  Wonder if there is any relation to the "FreeMen" running
around up here.  (Remember the FBI standoff?)  Who knows, maybe they're
selling auto parts as a front for some secret plan they have now... ;)


They advertise in
> Hemmings.  It took my bodyman 6 hours to straighten the dents - he may as
> well have straightened mine.  No rust tho.  If you don't get Hemmings I can
> research further for you.
> 
	I have'nt seen an ad from them, but then again it's been a while
since I've opened a Hemmings.  It's about time to pick one up.  But, wow 6
hours is a long time.  Next time you need something like that, I bet I
could find a stright one locally.

> By the way, I think if you wanted to show true respect for your '60 Ninety
> Eight, you would spell it out as Olds intended and not take the easy way out
> ;).
> 

	Well, here goes...
	
				     Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket Ninety Eight
	
	Hm.  Not bad.  Maybe I'll keep it.   :)

------------------------------

From: tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:23:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Hibeam Relay

> > Also can I use one 40 amp relay for the whole system to keep it simple?
> Sure.

Wouldn't that put your hi-beams and your low beams on the same switch?  
Maybe I'm thinking about the wiring wrong... 

- - Travis and the 69 olds 98 convertible aka "Tiny"

- --
Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:15:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Salvage yard in Montana 

>> By the way, I think if you wanted to show true respect for your '60
>> Ninety Eight, you would spell it out as Olds intended and not take 
>> the easy way out ;).
>
>	Well, here goes...
>	
>				     Scott
>			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket Ninety Eight

Or the way an urban-streetfighter car would look after years on the
streets here... across the trunk lid:

 N _ N E :     E : G = T
           Y

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:25:34 -0300
Subject: Salvage laws and stuff like that...was Re: barns, fields for cars

> Abandoned cards are done that way here also.  For some reason people 
> won't claim a car & off it goes to the highest bidder or the salvage 
> yard. There is no problem using a car from a salvage yard here - just 
> get a bill of sale & go get a plate. 

	Around here, if you leave *any* car parked for over 120 hours, it
can (in theory any way) get stickered so the owner has another 120 hours
to move it or lose it.  In actual practice, the Sheriff Dept. only
stickers cars that have been sitting for a *really* long time (or if the
registation is experied), or if they look like abandoned junk cars.  If
your car does get towed, you can talk to the folks down at the court house
in Civil Process, and you can get it back (for some sort of fee, of
course).  If no one claims it, it's sold at public auction to the highest
bidder by the sheriff (cash only).  It's not really fair, though since
Missoula Auto Salvage will out-bid you on just about everything there.  In
fact, they end up with most of the cars.

	I'm so familiar with this whole process, because thats where I got
my Olds!  It was one of the cars MAS got (for $75!!!) and I bought it from
them for $350 (I missed the auction :(  Anyway, all you have to do to get
a title is take the recipt from the auction down to the DMV, and they let
you apply for a new title.  No big deal.  And, like other states, *all*
cars have to have a title and registration.    


> In AL we have no titles for cars 1974 & older.  A bill of sale; 
> handwritten, transfers anything.  It doesn't even have to have a plate. 
>  I have helped a friend in TN get a title for his 1939 Chevy that was 
> impossible to title in that state.  He just took the paperwork that I 
> was able to get (tag receipt) & trade it for a title in his state.

	Strange how it varies from state to state.  It would be just about
impossible to get that 39 title here too.  In fact, it might very well be
impossible (unless of course he let it get towed, bought it at the
auction, and applied for a new title |)  



				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:42:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Member Contact List

> > I know it's been mentioned before, but has anyone ever put together a
> > contact list for all subscribers?  .  Some optional things to consider:
[snip]
> > All we would need is one or two people to compile the list.  I am not
> > exactly gifted with an abundance of free time, but I would be willing to
> > help.

I can help put it together; I'd like to contribute to this list somehow,
since I've taken so much knowledge from the rest of you.  I can put it in
dBASE or something similar . . . . perhaps add an HTML page to the Web
site?

8)
peg

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:46:35 -0300
Subject: Re: member contact list & question

> Here is my question for the day.
> Does anybody know of any Olds clubs in the East-Tennessee area?

The relatively-new Smoky Mountain Olds Club sounds like it would be close
to you, although I don't have any info on them offhand.

8)
peg

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From: JK McCall <jkmccall@clic.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:54:01 -0300
Subject: Exhaust nomenclature:

Looking for the correct name for a piece that is part of my exhaust 
system.  My car (82 Delta 88, 307) has a small exhaust leak on the right 
hand side.  I can hear sort of a sucking sound (probably a blowing 
sound).  I disconnected the cross-over from both manifolds and the 
outlet on the right manifold that goes to the catalytic converter.  At 
this joint there seems to have been some kind of seal/gasket that sits 
on the outlet of the manifold, the pipe fits into this and the flange 
holds the pipe to the manifold.  This seal or gasket is what I'm looking 
for as  it is still in one piece but cracked and missing material in 
places.  

If you can help me out drop me a line.

Thanks in advance.

Joe McCall

On another note, I found a leak at the back of the trans, swollen rubber 
on the Vacumn modulator valve and not well held in place.  I thought 
that only engine vacumn acted on this valve and any sign of tranny fluid 
meant the valve was bad?  Any thoughts?  Is my intake sucking up tranny 
fluid?  Don't see any unusual exhaust color...

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:53:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Exhaust nomenclature: 

>At this joint there seems to have been some kind of seal/gasket that sits 
>on the outlet of the manifold, the pipe fits into this and the flange 
>holds the pipe to the manifold.  This seal or gasket is what I'm looking 
>for as  it is still in one piece but cracked and missing material in 
>places.

I think you just need an O-ring there...? A metal one, that is. I think
it's just a standard exhaust part; my local Car-X put one in for me once.  

>On another note, I found a leak at the back of the trans, swollen rubber 
>on the Vacumn modulator valve and not well held in place.  I thought 
>that only engine vacumn acted on this valve and any sign of tranny fluid 
>meant the valve was bad?

Yes. If it's wet, you may have a leaky modulator there.

>Is my intake sucking up tranny fluid?

It could do that, yes.

>Don't see any unusual exhaust color...

Not constantly you won't. Accellerate normally to about 30 mph, let off
the gas and coast, and look in your rearview mirror. If you see a puff of
light smoke, the modulator is leaking. When you let off the gas, your
intake manifold vacuum goes up suddenly and snorks up what little trans
fluid has seeped into the line all at once, causing that puff of smoke
when it's burned.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: sbento@mecn.mass.edu
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:31:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Summit Racing # needed

Order line 1-330-630-3030
Customer Service 1-330-630-0230

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0


On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, Todd Morris wrote:

>  
> Anybody got the Summit Racing phone number? thanks. 
>  
> Todd Morris 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:47:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Exhaust nomenclature:

Joe,
I think the ring you're talking about is called a "donut". By the way, what's 
a 
catalytic convertor?

Art Fuller
All 70's

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (William Goodnight)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:49:44 -0300
Subject: Re: intro,anyone with 50's olds? 

At 01:00 PM 9/20/96 -0300, oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca wrote:
>Hi Everyone,
>
>>PLEASE e-mail me if there is anyone out there with cars like mine!
>
>I have frequent futile searches of e-mail looking for someone into 50's
cars.  I have a '49 Olds Club Coupe that I am Street Rodding.  I looked for
a '50 88 for years and finally settled on a flathead 6 coupe because it was
in such good shape.  However, I can't bring myself to restore a 6 cylinder
car, so I have a donor '72 Delta 88 standing by for a 455 transplant.  I am
now finalizing plans to do a frame swap. I am looking at using a S-10 pickup
frame, front end, etc.

I will keep the car stock appearing from the outside, except it will have a
different attitude.
I am now building a garage shop, and that is delaying the work on the car,
but will provide it a new home.

Bill Goodnight
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, ID

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From: sbento@mecn.mass.edu
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:02:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Exhaust nomenclature:

It's called a "donut gasket" at least thats what they call them around 
here. Although the parts store I worked at while I was in college was 
near a Dunkin Donuts..:) Seriously thought if you bring it in to any 
good parts store they will know what it is. If you continue to have a 
problem with this check your cat. I had a problem with the donut gasket 
on two cars I owned and in both cases it was the cat that casued it.

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0


On Tue, 17 Sep 1996, JK McCall wrote:

> Looking for the correct name for a piece that is part of my exhaust 
> system.  My car (82 Delta 88, 307) has a small exhaust leak on the right 
> hand side.  I can hear sort of a sucking sound (probably a blowing 
> sound).  I disconnected the cross-over from both manifolds and the 
> outlet on the right manifold that goes to the catalytic converter.  At 
> this joint there seems to have been some kind of seal/gasket that sits 
> on the outlet of the manifold, the pipe fits into this and the flange 
> holds the pipe to the manifold.  This seal or gasket is what I'm looking 
> for as  it is still in one piece but cracked and missing material in 
> places.  
> 
> If you can help me out drop me a line.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Joe McCall
> 
> On another note, I found a leak at the back of the trans, swollen rubber 
> on the Vacumn modulator valve and not well held in place.  I thought 
> that only engine vacumn acted on this valve and any sign of tranny fluid 
> meant the valve was bad?  Any thoughts?  Is my intake sucking up tranny 
> fluid?  Don't see any unusual exhaust color...
> 
> 
> 

------------------------------

From: Peter_Teubel_at_Safety1st-MA@harte-hanks.com
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:04:44 -0300
Subject: Re: intro,anyone with 50's olds? 

     Greetings!  I too am a fan of the early 50's cars.  I'm currently 
     working on a 1951 Olds 98 4-dr sedan and have a 1952 Plymouth Concord 
     waiting in the wings for time.  
     
     
     
     
     
     peter_teubel@safety1st.com
     '51 98
     '82 98
     '86 Ciera (Wife's car)
     


______________________________ Reply Separator 
_________________________________
Subject: intro,anyone with 50's olds?
Author:  oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca at ~INTERNET
Date:    9/17/96 11:10 AM


Hi Everyone,
     
 I have been searching for an Oldsmobile list for a long time!
Imagine my suprise when I found a web page and MY car appeared as it came up!! 
Yes, I have a 1954 Oldsmobile Rocket 88 that I use as my daily driver. 
Question:  Is there anybody else on this list with 50's cars?
I only have been on the list for 2 days so I may have not seen you yet. 
PLEASE e-mail me if there is anyone out there with cars like mine!
     

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 23:13:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Hibeam Relay

tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't that put your hi-beams and your low beams on the same switch?
> Maybe I'm thinking about the wiring wrong...

If both hi and lo were wired up but I think we were just talking about 
adding the relay to the hi-beam circuit.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:20:48 -0300
Subject: How 'bout them Bills

 As I was elbow deep in grease looking under my Olds 350 engine to find the
VIN# to match to the cars VIN#(small thread to tie into Olds mail list),I
glanced at my watch to find that it was after 9:00. Well time for Monday
Night Football.
 I really only watched because I am a Miami Dolphins fan about 1300 miles
from my fellow fans and really enjoy watching any other AFC East team get beat.
 By the way, still havent found that number. But now my teams in first place!!
 Sorry Craig....

Brad  '68 Cutlass S Convertible
Should Be Driving in Florida!!!

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:27:02 -0300
Subject: '67 W-30 Questions 

>>From: "Kenneth G. Holland Jr." <rottin@coil.com>
>>Date: Mon, 16 Sep 1996 19:05:44 -0300
>>Subject: Talk about a find. 67' W-30 questions

Kenneth, you really made out on that find.  Incredible!

Having owned a '67 W-30 from new, I hope I can answer your questions.

First, many of the "Trak-Pak" pieces you need are available in repro form.
 The best guy IMHO to contact is Curt Anderson, P.O. Box 506, Kimball, MI
55353-0506, 612-398-3079.  Curt was the first and most knowledgeable guy on
66-67 W-30's restoration information.  If he doesn't have it, he knows who
has it. He also has all the assembly drawings for the W-30 Trak-Pak
installation including the templates to use when cutting the radiator support
for the duct work.

The tripower was available only in 1966.  It was not part of the 67 package
which used a Q-Jet (with little or no loss over the 3 deuces BTW).  In both
cases the battery was installed in the trunk.  That was primarily because the
ducting went right through the space the battery usually went.  You can save
quite a few $ by making the _long_ battery cables yourself.  I made mine from
single "0" welding cable, which BTW is exactly what Olds did then back then,
according to Curt. 

66 cars came with B heads, 67 with C heads.  Some folks claim to have seen
67's with B heads.  I can't deny that but mine came with C heads and was
built the first week of October 66.

There were no convertible 66-67 W-30s because of the battery location on the
right rear kickup of the trunk.  Assuming you could put the top down, the
battery acid would eat your boot is few months.  There is a "person" who
advertises in Hemmings that he is selling an original 67 W-30 convertible.
 Buyer beware!

The hard pieces to find for either a '66 or '67 clone setup are the air
cleaners (called air shrouds by Olds).  These are really _large_ impressive
chromed affairs.  The rarest is the '66 for the Tri-power setup.  There were
only 54 '66 W-30s and very few TrakPaks.  Ask Curt, but there were certainly
much less than 50 more.  The last time a 66 air shroud passed through hands
was last year.  I know both of the guys involved and the price was $2,500.
 That's for an air cleaner folks.  A rare one for sure. As of the Atlanta
meet last month, there were no '66 shrouds for sale.

The '67s were a little more plentiful with 502 factory and almost certainly
less than another ~75 or so TrakPaks.  These air shrouds command over $1,000
each and even then finding a good cover is difficult.  The base could survive
most anything but those covers got trashed with carb backfires, etc.  If you
are interested in one I know a fellow that has one or two (and three of those
54 '66 W-30s too). One of the '66s is for sale BTW.

Got an extra $48,500 laying around for F-85 Club Coupe with bench seats, no
power nothin' but fast as all heck?  

The only way someone would know that the E block is not original is to look
at the casting date.  I am not even certain where that is but I seem to
recall it is on the bacvk of the block and covered when installed by the
flywheel, trans housing, etc. Again, check with Curt, he knows all.....

If you have any other specific questions on '66-'67 W-30 packages give me a
shout.


Bob Handren                         OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified                  '70 SX Convertible
Handren Associates, Inc.       Oviedo, FL
U.S. FDA Regulatory Affairs   (407)365-6385

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From: Robert Whitaker <whitaker.rob@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:37:53 -0300
Subject: Re: member contact list & question

At 03:15 PM 9/17/96 +0000, you wrote:

>Here is my question for the day.
>Does anybody know of any Olds clubs in the East-Tennessee area?
>
- ---------------

Smokey Mountain Olds Club (Chapter of the Olds Club of America)
204 Henry Haynes Rd.
Knoxville, TN     37920


Robert Whitaker
69 H/O 455

------------------------------

From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 20:42:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Hibeam Relay 

Well, I was talking about just adding to the hi-beam circuit. Otherwise I'd
have those all new real annoying fulltime high beam system.

Not the way to make friends and influence people. Gotta go get a new horn
relay/junction block, take a mountain bike ride, then back to the wiring
project.

Whee
cf

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 21:21:21 -0300
Subject: WTB: '72 4-4-2 Grilles

Posting this for an acquaintance: he is looking to purchase a pair of 
grilles for a '72 4-4-2. He knows they are available repro but is looking 
to save some money by finding a used set. If anyone can help please reply 
directly to me, not the list. Thanks!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 21:23:25 -0300
Subject: '64 Lighting Question

Does anyone know if the parking lights on the front of a '64 Cutlass are 
supposed to go out when the headlights are turned on? I know later models 
left them on with the headlights...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Brad Nicholson <76062.3042@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 21:18:07 -0300
Subject: Maryland Olds Club Initial Meeting

The "first" meeting of the Oldsmobile Centennial Club will be on
Oct 20 at my house in Perry Hall, MD, Just north of Baltimore and
east of Towson.  Anyone interested in joining, e-mail me and I'll
send directions and my phone#.

 ---  
| | |  Brad Nicholson
| | |  1987 442 W-42
|/|\|  1994 88 LSS (Sunday Afternoon!!!)
| | |  76062.3042@compuserve.com
 ---

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:35:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Toro/Cutlass radio interchangeability- what _won't_ work 

In a message dated 96-09-17 00:29:37 EDT, you write:

> blue lead wire that runs from the
>  front of the radio next to the tuning knob, which for all the world looks
>  like a factory speaker wire. Is that what this is? There is also a speaker
>  wire on the connector that plugs into the radio, which goes to the front
>  speaker. Would a mono radio be equipped to play through two speakers?

Yup, that's the wire for the rear speaker.  Don't really know why someone
would want a rear speaker for a non-stereo radio, but they were available.
 The only time I could see anyone wanting a rear speaker with a mono radio
was the Reverb speaker available in the mid '60s, before stereo was
available.  This option supposedly gave you a "concert hall" echo that you
could adjust to your taste.  I've never heard one of these, but would like
to.

If you look to the right of the tuning knob, you'll see three little hole,
all above one another.  Well, you actually see one hole and a shunt wire
connecting the other two.  That's was make it play thru only the front
speaker.  If you had the optional rear speaker, the fader control would plug
into those holes.  There would be three prongs on the back of the fader
control to plug into it.

Paul

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:35:19 -0300
Subject: Personal to Lloyd Culp 

Lloyd,

I accidentally deleted your message when I wanted to reply.  Don't have your
email address or nuthin'.  Probably have a lot of information for you as I
have a Color and Trim book and a Salesman's Facts Book for both '62 & '63.
 Please email me again, I'll try not to delete it this time.

Sorry

Paul

Apologies for using the list to those of you who went ahead and read this
anyway.

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:35:07 -0300
Subject: Re: barns, fields for cars 

In a message dated 96-09-16 22:20:18 EDT, you write:

> So, if you register it in another state like mine, you lose the "salvage"
>  title. 

I deal with the PA DMV (PennDOT) on a regular basis as I work in a new car
dealership (they call them "stores" now, BTW).  I have learned some of the in
and outs of working with PennDOT.  I would think that Ohio's DMV computer
would be smart enough to know that a car formerly titled in Ohio as a salvage
vehicle came from out of state, and would probably register it as a salvage
vehicle again.  PennDOT purges a vehicle from it's system after it has been
unregistered for 10 years.  At that point you must reinstate the record from
scratch, which means if was a salvage vehicle, after 10 years it would be
gone from thre records and could be recreated from scratch w/o the salvage
"brand".  I am going thru this right now with a salesman at the "store" who
has a '71 Firechicken he bought in his Dad's name in '73.  The car was put
into storage in '76.  He has the original title in his Dad's name and doesn't
want to give it up, so we applied for a duplicate.  PennDOT says the vehicle
has been purged and he has to apply for title like it has never been title in
PA before.  Don't know what Ohio's "purge factor" is.

Paul

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:35:17 -0300
Subject: Re: '64 Lighting Question 

In a message dated 96-09-17 20:29:01 EDT, you write:

>  I know later models 
>  left them on with the headlights...

That only started in '68 with the addition of side marker lights.

Paul

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 17:35:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Insurance Info?

> > P.S.:  Do you want to hear about the lawyers & doctor's we indited on
> > the grand just last week?
> 
> Ahh, go ahead.  I sense that you are dying to tell us.  But, you might
> want to start with somthing like, "I drove down to the court in my
> Oldsmobile..."
> 
> 
> Robert Lawrence   


Robert,

Actually I used a Dodge & an Oldsmobile.  I was just pestering everyone 
about relaying my experiences w/the grand jury, but it is a revelation 
as to who will do what.  I trust most everyone, but have just learned 
that some of the most reputable people will do some strange things.  
Fortunately they are a tiny minority.  We are very fortunate to have a 
fine list of people here at the Olds sanitarium (crazy people can't 
think to cheat).

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:43:22 -0300
Subject: Re: intro,anyone with 50's olds?

Bill,
When I was a senior in high school, my Dad reluctantly agreed to buy me a car 
for graduation. I found a 49 club coupe on a used car lot, owned by my 
girlfriend's dad. I just had to go let me Dad know I had found the car to buy. 
The car was 10 years old at the time. The body was perfect, but that cloth 
interior was shot. On the way to the house to show off my find, I had to stop 
every three or four blocks to refill the radiator. Everytime I started off the 
transmission would slip until it caught hold, then burn the rear tires.
When I got to the house, my Dad came out the door and told me to get that 
piece 
of you know what out of the driveway. I said, but Dad this is a 49 Club Coupe, 
and he said he didn't care what it was, get it back where I got it.
I settled for a pristine 53, that had been traded by and old couple,(about my 
age now), on a new Olds. It was my first car and I really liked it, but I have 
always wanted a 49 or 50 Club Coupe.
I would have to give one a 455 attitude like you're doing. As a matter of 
fact, 
why don't you just sell me that one, and you won't have to fool with it.

Art Fuller









 

------------------------------

From: Spud <spud@kudonet.com>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:53:58 -0300
Subject: Re: Electrical problem 

At 07:59 PM 9/14/96 -0300, you wrote:
>When I run my lights at night on my 70 Cutlass the turn signals will not 
blink.
>I have checked the battery and it is fine. The car is charging fine also. The
>blower motor also brings the turn single flashing even slower. If I put the 
car
>into park it is a little better, and if i put the car in neutral and rev the
>engin, the flashing starts up...could someone help me find the problem..thanks
>I

The first thing that comes to mind is: have you replaced the flasher can?



Spud     "Fart proudly."
'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
'73 Delta 88
'79 LeBaron

------------------------------

From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:59:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Member Contact List

jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com wrote:
> 
> I know it's been mentioned before, but has anyone ever put together a
> contact list for all subscribers?  It would be pretty handy to have
> something to reference when in need of a part or two, especially if the list
> had what city the members live in.  You'd know who is in your area, and be
> more apt to work together in obtaining parts, and sharing info about
> upcoming events.  Some optional things to consider:
> 
> NAME
> ADDRESS (or at least city)
> PHONE #
> E-MAIL ADDRESS
> AUTOMOBILE(S) - YEAR, MAKE, AND MODEL
> HOBBIES (ie.. Model collecting, auto-racing, etc..)
> CLUB(S)
> 
> All we would need is one or two people to compile the list.  I am not
> exactly gifted with an abundance of free time, but I would be willing to
> help.
> 
> Jeff Zeilmann
> SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
> '68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

Hey this is a good idea!!!
Um, now who will do this???

------------------------------

From: ngomez@iadfw.net (Nick Gomez)
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 22:04:43 -0300
Subject: 88/98: She's Running Rough 

It seems as if I'm having a bit of a problem with my big car. It's running
really rough. The car shakes a lot - you can hear the exhaust pipe shaking.
The exhaust comes out 'puffing,' and when I put my hand near the exhaust
tip, black soot and a faint gas smell are observed. I think it happens all
the time, a real rough running condition. I've put in a new air filter,
fuel filter, dist cap, rotor, points and condensor. New gas as well. The
problem was still there. I'm thinking about adjusting the timing and the
carburetor. I would really appreciate the help.
Nick

P.S. I *think* the monthly(?) swap meet @ The Ballpark In Arlington is this
weekend. Take it easy...

    ------------------------------------------------------------------
    1965 Oldsmobile 98          TIP # 1048         Trade Live Concerts
    Dallas, Texas             MiSTie # 53344        Collect Hot Wheels
    ------------------------------------------------------------------
             Support Your Independent Community Radio Station

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:02:20 -0300
Subject: Re: New Member

Roland Klinger wrote:
>=20
> Hello to all, hi Kathleen, here=B4s another rocket88;
>=20
> my name is Roland Klinger and I live in a small town near Bonn, Germany=
. I
> enjoy participating in this list since a few days.
> I=B4d like to say I drive a 1956 Olds 88 2-dr Coupe, but there are engi=
ne and
> tranny looking like new but still lying besides the car, but I=B4m a ve=
ry
> patient man, so some day the car will run.
>=20
>
>=20
> greetings, Roland

Welcome Roland, - Welcome Kathleen

You never did tell us whether you got old, wild or mad.  50 isn't old;=20
no one w/an Oldsmobile could be called mad; does that make you wild?  I=20
am 53 & own 3 Oldsmobiles (1962 Jetfire, 1967 Toronado, & 1968 442=20
convertible.=20

I have a friend up the road who has a 34,000 mile 1955 Super 88 that is=20
magnificent.  I would love to own one of those.  The nearest I have come=20
to a good 50's car is a pink & white 1955 Ford Victoria, a persimon &=20
white 1955 Studebaker President hardtop, & a turquoise & white 1956=20
Lincoln Premiere hardtop.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 02:12:18 -0300
Subject: Re: 88/98: She's Running Rough

Hey Nick,
What is the Community Radio you speak of? Just interested, no I'm not 
from the FCC.  Later Reggie Goble

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 18:44:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Member Contact List

Peg O'Connor wrote:
> 
> > > I know it's been mentioned before, but has anyone ever put together a
> > > contact list for all subscribers?  .  Some optional things to consider:
> [snip]
> > > All we would need is one or two people to compile the list.  I am not
> > > exactly gifted with an abundance of free time, but I would be willing to
> > > help.
> 
> I can help put it together; I'd like to contribute to this list somehow,
> since I've taken so much knowledge from the rest of you.  I can put it in
> dBASE or something similar . . . . perhaps add an HTML page to the Web
> site?
> 
> 8)
> peg

Wow!

And people ask what are women for?  Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:01:35 -0300
Subject: Re: '67 W-30 Questions

> Kenneth, you really made out on that find.  Incredible!
> 
> Having owned a '67 W-30 from new, I hope I can answer your questions.
> 

> 
> If you have any other specific questions on '66-'67 W-30 packages give me a
> shout.
> 
> Bob Handren                       

Bob,

I don't have one.  I'd love one.  Presently I'll settle for the 
excellent mouth wattering story & info that you just transmitted.  
Thanks a lot.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

P.S.:  And I thought my turbo Jetfire was a little rare.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:18:42 -0300
Subject: Re: '64 Lighting Question

> 
> Does anyone know if the parking lights on the front of a '64 Cutlass are
> supposed to go out when the headlights are turned on? I know later models
> left them on with the headlights...
> 
> Greg Beaulieu        


Greg, 

These go out.  It was about the time that the side markers were put on 
cars (1968) that the parking lights stayed on.  I believe that this was 
for marking the car when a headlight went out.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: DrkSole@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:23:58 -0300
Subject: Def. of Convector (was:Re: 73-77 8-track Q's.) 

In a message dated 96-09-17 10:43:00 EDT, you write:

>
>How many connectors have you got back there? The mid-'70's if I remember
>right would normally have three: Black->lighting/power/ground; White->Rear
>speakers; Blue->FrontSpeakers (something like that). ETR types have an
>additional plug for memory/display. Is there another plug on yours besides
>these?
>
>Another longshot thought: GM manuals are atrocious for typos. Any chance
>that you are simply looking at a misspelling of "connector"? If it's in
>all capitals, simply losing one leg of a capital "N" would turn it into
>a "V"...

No, it's not a typo, the Convector Asm,as it's listed in the assembly manual,
mounts to behind the glovebox, and hooks into the back of the radio. It's
also listed as neccesary option for the AM/FM stereo, and AM/FM 8-track
stereo.  Could it be a power booster of some type?
DrkSole
 73 Cutlass Supreme

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:32:40 -0300
Subject: Olds intro (long but good) 

Well I have been on the list for about 4 months now and I never really
introduced
myself.   My name is Mark Prince and I'm from Detroit MI and I have owned
Oldsmobiles since 1983.  My first Olds was a 72 Cutlass viking blue.  I
bought
it for 100.00.  The quarters were doughed up and the front end wrinkled.  I
put 
another hood and fender on and it was good as new.  This cars was a 350 2BBL
car that me and my friends had major fun with.  I put it into storage in 85
due
to that I went into the Army.  While at Fort Gordon GA, I came across a 72 442

saddlebronze.  I paid 1500 for it.  It had the Ram Air Hood, air cleaner,
455,
ralleypack missing tach 4 spoke, th400 and cutout bumper.  It was a clean
car with 83,000 miles on it.  I got it so cheap due to the owner needed money
quick cause the IRS was after him.  I chewed him down from 3200.00 in a
course 
of a month. 
While on leave in 86 in Michigan I came across a 72 442 350 4BBL 4spd car.
I paid 300.00 for it with spoiler, ralley pac, swaybar setup and 3:23 posi.
The frame on this car was totally rotted.  I bought it in Northern Mich, were
lots of salt is used.  I drove it back to Detroit and stripped it for parts.

I came home in 87 and bought for a package deal a 71 Cutlass Supreme and
a 70 SX for 500.00.  Both cars were decent condition. But I made use of the 
parts and the 455 from the SX not knowing they were kind of hard to find.
Then I bought my grandma's 78 cutlass supreme with a 260 choke 8  I had
a motorcycle, BMW 1000 or bigger trashed the rearend.

In 1990 I bought a Quad 442 brand new from Bill Rowan Olds I drove it as a 
daily driver.  I just got rid of it with 143,000 miles.  The engine was
knocking
the trans was whinning and the car was rusting bad.  Bought a Suburban
instead.
Meanwhile I smashed the 72 442 from Georgia in 93. So I parked it.  In 94 I
bought
a 72 W-30 from Charlotte NC but was missing everything except the X in the
vin.
I paid 500.00 for it.  So I took the usable parts from the Ga car and
restored the






                                                                            W
car and finished  it on July 12th,1995.  Needless to say the 72 from Ga went
                                                                 to the
boneyard.
And my final purchase has been a 72 W-30 from Temperance MI X in the vin.  I
paid
1000.00 for it about 8 months ago.  Its missing engine and trans, but has the
OAI 
hood and ralleypac,4spk wheel, am/fm stero.  The color is flame orange with
black 
interior.  The car is a original 4spd car.  I did also get the 3:42 posi with
also.  And 
under the car is now a 12 bolt chevy with strange axles, Morosso brute force
carrier,
c-clip eliminator kit and 3 inch studs.  All done up for racing, the car is
in restorable
shape and will be tackled on in 1997.
I do race my current W Machine.  It ran 12.47 at 108.63mph last week at the NM
CA
meet in Norwalk OHIO.

Well sorry so long, but I could go on forever.  I Just LOVE my OLDSMOBILES...
I make it a point to collect just about everything you can think of that is
Olds related


thanks                                 W MACHINES (Mark Prince)     Detroit
MI 313 336 8135
                                            72 442 W-30 race rocket and one
to restore
  
          

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:31:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Toro/Cutlass radio interchangeability- what _won't_ work

Don't really know why someone
> would want a rear speaker for a non-stereo radio, but they were available.
>  The only time I could see anyone wanting a rear speaker with a mono radio
> was the Reverb speaker available in the mid '60s, before stereo was
> available.  This option supposedly gave you a "concert hall" echo that you
> could adjust to your taste.  I've never heard one of these, but would like
> to.
> 
>
> 
> Paul

Paul,

There were several reasons for front & rear speakers before stereo.  The 
obvious was to be cool.  There is better, fuller sound w/more than one 
speaker.  Cars in the late 40's, 50's, & 60's seldom had AC & one drove 
w/the windows down.  The wind would drown out the sounds unless a 
speaker were near each occupant.  One could fade front to rear this way.

I have a reverb in 2 cars.  The sound is an echo type that is 
adjustable.  We're really talking about a delay from front to rear. This 
sound is better than nothing but can get a little old after a while.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 17 Sep 1996 19:41:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds intro (long but good)

WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Well I have been on the list for about 4 months now and I never really
> introduced
> myself.   My name is Mark Prince and I'm from Detroit MI and I have owned
> Oldsmobiles since 1983.  
> 
> Well sorry so long, but I could go on forever.  I Just LOVE my OLDSMOBILES...
> I make it a point to collect just about everything you can think of that is
> Olds related
> 
> thanks                                 W MACHINES (Mark Prince)     Detroit
> MI 313 336 8135
>                                             72 442 W-30 race rocket and one
> to restore
> 
> Mark,

And I thought you were a regular guy.  You are just right for this list. 
 Welcome!

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:51:27 -0300
Subject: RE: How 'bout them Bills 

> By the way, still havent found that number. But now my teams in first place!!

It's on the driver's side, just below the cylinder head, toward the front.  
The pad is part of the engine.  If the engine was replaced under warranty, the 
pad may be blank.

Rubbing alcohol and Q-tips helps get the grime and grit out of there.

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From: "Mark Bethke Jr." <mbethke@btigate.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 01:20:36 -0300
Subject: Re: 73-77 8-track Q's.

   I have a 77 Toro with a 8 track in it. It has what looks like a seperate
amp??? It is located behind the dash on the passenger side under the glove
box. I think you may need this part to make it work right. I put a
aftermarket deck in the ashtray that I custom installed. I used the factory
wires for the speakers. After I unplugged that unit under the glove box I
had no sound. So as far as I can tell you need it also.

- ----------
From: DrkSole@aol.com
To: oldsmobile@ccn.cs.dal.ca
Subject: 73-77 8-track Q's.
Date: Monday, September 16, 1996 9:34 PM

I've got a question about radio interchangibility(sp) and I guess radio's
in
general.  The radio my 73 Supreme came with was the stock AM unit, mono
with
only 2 front speakers. It worked fine, but I wanted something alittle
better.
I came across a 77 Supreme in really good shape in a salvage yard, got a
lot
of goodies out of it; original owner's manual, window sticker, radio
manual,
warranty info for the car and tires, a delivery receipt, and a missouri
driver's guide-circa 1980. Anyway, car had some good options; rally pac,
SSIII wheels, 350 engine, th350, sport mirrors clock, and an AM/FM 8-track
stereo. I pulled the documentation, rally pack and the stereo, and
installed
them on my car. Now, (finally), here's the problem- the 8track I bought
appears to be in good shape, lights up when turned on, but doesn't emit any
sound. It may be that it just doesn't work, but there is a terminal on the
back which, according to my assembly manual, should goto a device called a
"convector" which I didn't get from the 77. Does anyone know if this could
be
the problem or what Convector is? Thanks.
DrkSole
 73 Cutlass Supreme
              Sorry about how long the post was.

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 00:14:00 -0300
Subject: 12 bolt rear-end

Hi all,
Here's one for anyone who has tangled with a number of 12-bolt GM rear ends. 
  I was doing my best to answer some of another subscribers questions on 10 
and 12 bolt rear ends, and ran into one question that I knew someone would 
be able to answer better than me:

<<What are the differences between a 12 bolt Olds rear end and a  12 bolt 
Ch_vy or other GM products 12 bolt rear ends?

Below is part of my reply to him:
 -----------------------------------------------
I'll try to clear up as much as I AM sure about, then maybe we can post a 
question to the digest to clear up the rest.

1) There are differences between the 10 bolt and the 12 bolt both internally 
and externally.
2) Posi (short for posi-traction) is an option that is not specific to 
amount of bolts (ie. 10 bolt or 12 bolt), but was a factory option.  You can 
change a single track car to posi by putting in a positraction differential. 
 In other words you can put a posi unit in a 10 or 12 bolt, as long as you 
have the right posi unit.  There are posi units for 10 bolts, and posi units 
for 12 bolts (not interchangeable).
3) There is no way to tell from the outside whether a car has posi or not. 
 The only way to tell is if you jack up the car so that both rear tires are 
off the ground.  Make sure that the car is quite stable!  Start the car, and 
put it in drive, and if both tires spin, then you have posi.  If only one 
spins, then no dice - it's a single track rear end!  Or if you remove the 
rear end cover, you should be able to see that it is a posi.  (and of course 
if you leave a single scratch, or double scratch on the pavement)
4) Oldsmobile 12 bolt rear ends differ from other GM rear ends like Ch_vys, 
Bui_cks and Pon_tiacs mainly internally.  In other words, I don't think the 
guts of a ch_vy rear end will fit in an Olds rear end housing, and vice 
versa.
5) I've been told if you have the entire rear end intact out of another GM 
product like Ch_vys, it WILL bolt up to the frame of an oldsmobile, but may 
take some make-shift rigging to get the linkage lined up.
6) I've also been told that a Olds 12 bolt rear end is "not a true 12-bolt." 
 That is the part that confuses me.  (is that according to other GM division 
standards or what?) They said that it "may have 12 bolts on the outside, but 
is MORE LIKE a 10 bolt on the inside."  This is where I get lost, because I 
am quite sure that the guts of a 10 bolt would not work or fit in a 12 bolt, 
and vice versa.

Hope this helps,

Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 02:08:45 -0300
Subject: Re: 12 bolt rear-end 

a 12 bolt Olds has a 10 bolt carrier that measures 8.3 where as a 12 bolt
chevy
has a 12 bolt carrier that measures 8.8.  A 10 bolt olds out of a 71-71 has a

10 bolt that measures 8.5 . Also Oldsmobile bolted the axles from the inside
of the housing as where chevy used c-clips.  As for Buick and Pontiac
they used different types of carriers called cones and spools where as 
12 bolt chevys and olds are called clutches.

The best way to tell if posi is to jack up the car and put the trans in
neutral
and turn 1 wheel by hand.  If the other wheel goes the same direction it is a
posi.
If the wheel turns opposite of the other, than it is an open rearend.

Two check gear size of the rear end other than removing the cover is to 
mark 1 wheel at the top and rotate the wheel 1 revolution. When doing this 
count how many complete turns the rear yoke on the driveshaft spins.
Example  1 wheel turn and the shaft turns 3 and less than half turns, the
rearend
would probably be a 3:42


W MACHINES  (Mark Prince)

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From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 02:33:50 -0300
Subject: Re: 12 bolt rear-end

On Wed, 18 Sep 1996 jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com wrote:

> Hi all,
> Here's one for anyone who has tangled with a number of 12-bolt GM rear ends. 

    Heck with just 12-bolts... all GM's for that matter. ;^)

> <<What are the differences between a 12 bolt Olds rear end and a  12 bolt 
> Ch_vy or other GM products 12 bolt rear ends?

    The most obvious difference is that a Chevy 12-bolt uses C-Clip 
axles, whereas the Olds unit uses a plate to hold the wheel bearing/axle in 
place.  Argueably a better design since you're much less likely to loose 
a whole axle.   Note that most tracks require positively retained axles on 
cars that run faster than (I think) 11 sec 1/4's.

> 5) I've been told if you have the entire rear end intact out of another GM 
> product like Ch_vys, it WILL bolt up to the frame of an oldsmobile, but may 
> take some make-shift rigging to get the linkage lined up.

    It's a bolt-in fit as long as you're doing it in the same body 
style.  Minor differences such as brake lines and U-joints are the only 
trouble spots.

> 6) I've also been told that a Olds 12 bolt rear end is "not a true 12-bolt." 
>  That is the part that confuses me.  (is that according to other GM division 
> standards or what?) They said that it "may have 12 bolts on the outside, but 
> is MORE LIKE a 10 bolt on the inside."  This is where I get lost, because I 
> am quite sure that the guts of a 10 bolt would not work or fit in a 12 bolt, 
> and vice versa.

     A "true 12-bolt" has come to mean a Chevy c-clip 12-bolt rear.   By 
"more like a 10-bolt" they're usually talking about the size of the ring 
gear and/or strength of the carrier.

    The biggest weak spots in Olds rears are the wheel bearings and 
availability of parts.  Although, after having a C-clip snap on me a few 
years back I'm rather sold on the idea of the positive axle retention.
The 12-bolt Olds under my '71 CS now is holding up just fine - put the 
new "updated" style wheel bearings in it when I got it - for the last 10k 
of hard miles.   (It's a 2.78:1 Posi swap meet special)

    If it wasn't for the fact that gears for this rear seem to be made of 
unobtanium, I'd probably build it instead of the 8.5" Chevy rear 
destined for it soon.... 

> Jeff Zeilmann
> SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
> '68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--  
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

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From: holgate@juno.com (David T. Holgate) 
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 03:34:21 -0300
Subject: [none]

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From: Esko.Ilola@Tele.telebox.fi
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 03:48:56 -0300
Subject: RE: New member

Item Subject: Sanoman teksti
> Guten Tag!  Another Olds in Europe!  Geez, pretty soon we're all gonna 
> have to start planning trips over there just to go junkyarding.

Another, yes.

Yesterday I was vacuum-cleaning wep with Alta-Vista. Searched for Oldsmobiles
in finland. After reading the results (12 of them) I noticed that a guy
working in the same company as I am owned a Cutlass. Had a lunch with him.

Two years ago there was a Cadillac show in Jamsa (a town in the center of
finland having about 12000 inhabitants). They cruised all the cadillacs in that
town out. There was 16 pieces of 1964 Coupe de Ville alone. The caddys totalled
to around 30. I think this is a lot from such a small town.

I have heard many USA-car owners selling their vechiles back to USA.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 04:34:31 -0300
Subject: Re: 88/98: She's Running Rough

Nick Gomez wrote:
> 
> It seems as if I'm having a bit of a problem with my big car. It's running
> really rough. The car shakes a lot - you can hear the exhaust pipe shaking.
> The exhaust comes out 'puffing,' and when I put my hand near the exhaust
> tip, black soot and a faint gas smell are observed. I think it happens all
> the time, a real rough running condition. I've put in a new air filter,
> fuel filter, dist cap, rotor, points and condensor. New gas as well. The
> problem was still there. I'm thinking about adjusting the timing and the
> carburetor. I would really appreciate the help.
> Nick
> Nick,

You might check that the choke is releasing as the engine warms up.  
There is a choke pull-off on Quadrajets that sometimes fails & 
replacements are available.  It is also possible that the float is stuck 
or that the needle & seat won't seal.  These parts are also available & 
might suggest a general carb rebuild.

As you can see, I am leaning towards the carburetor as your trouble.  
This is easy & quick to fix.  Good luck.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 09:45:19 -0300
Subject: How 'bout them Bills

 As I was elbow deep in grease looking under my Olds 350 engine to find the
VIN# to match to the cars VIN#(small thread to tie into Olds mail list),I
glanced at my watch to find that it was after 9:00. Well time for Monday
Night Football.
 I really only watched because I am a Miami Dolphins fan about 1300 miles
from my fellow fans and really enjoy watching any other AFC East team get beat.
 By the way, still havent found that number. But now my teams in first place!!
 Sorry Craig....

Brad  '68 Cutlass S Convertible
Should Be Driving in Florida!!!

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Wed, 18 Sep 1996 10:25:00 -0300
Subject: Re: '64 Lighting Question

At 09:23 PM 9/17/96 -0300, Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
>Does anyone know if the parking lights on the front of a '64 Cutlass are 
>supposed to go out when the headlights are turned on? I know later models 
>left them on with the headlights...
>


Greg,

They stayed on for my '64 Jetstar 88.


Dan Gulino


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Department of Chemical Engineering
Ohio University
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