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oldsmobile-digest         Tuesday, 3 December 1996      Volume 01 :
Number 390


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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 21:44:00 -0400
Subject: Nasty People Who Want Out

Not sure if this made it out the first time - apologies if this is
a duplicate, I'm sending it again just to be on the safe side.

===

On Mon, 2 Dec 1996, Dave Paulison wrote:
> Why are people who want to get off the list always nasty about it?
And > don't any of them know how to read?  It tells how in the info you
get when > you subscibe, if they would only read it!!!

Geez, and I thought I was just being too sensitive... ;-)

They often do seem out of sorts. In this case it's one of the Virginia
Tech victims again and though he really wasn't as nasty as some (one
other person this weekend comes to mind) you may recall we did issue a
message specifically for these folks about 10 days ago offering help.
Guess he hasn't read his mail in that long. Can't see where that's the
fault of the list but it seems people look at it that way.

I suppose that's just another example of the curious behavior that
sometimes occurs with email in that people sometimes write things that
they would never dream of saying to someone face to face. Innocuous
remarks can take on a whole new meaning when they appear in type. Just
all the more reason to think before you hit the send key...

Thanks for the sympathy, Dave! :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 15:39:42 -0400
Subject: Re: GM Quality

Now my 442 has been in Ohio 3 years and already
> has alot of frame surface rust. The previous owner says that the frame
was > clean when he brought it up here. Gotta love what midwest weather
can do to > a G-body! > - - - - - - - - - - - > Jason Labay


Jason,

Those G body cars are all over te salvage yards.  I have never seen this
rust anywhere.  The mechanicals are gone - TRANSMISSIONS.

Bill Culp
Decatur, alabama

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From: Clarence Isaacks II <IKE.ISAACKS-DENVER@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 21:45:40 -0400
Subject: Message-ID: <19961203014840.AAA4109@LOCALNAME>

I HAVE RECENTLY PURCHASED A 72 VISTA-CRUISER WITH 179,000 MILES.  ALL
ENGINE AND TRANSMISSION/RUNNING GEAR IS ORGINIAL.  THIS IS A 350 WITH A
TWO BARREL CARB AND A TH400 XMISSION.  ACCORDING TO SEVERAL MANUALS THE
NET HORSEPOWER IS 160.  WHAT IS THIS EQUAL TO IN BHP AND IS THERE A
FORMULA FOR CONVERSION OF NET TO BHP OR VISA VERSA?? IS IT POSSIBLE
TO REBUILD THIS ENGINE AND GET AN HONEST 300BHP?  I PLAN ON USING THIS
VEHICLE FOR LONG FIELD TRIPS & OCCASIONALLY PULLING A 1800 LB BOAT.

IF NOT POSSIBLE TO REBUILD THIS ENGINE TO THE ABOVE SPECS,  WHAT ABOUT
AN ENGINE SWAP TO A 87-91 350 WITH A 700R4.  HAS ANYONE DONE THIS AND IF
SO PLEASE CONTACT ME THANKS

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From: Abdi Nassib <Abdi_Nassib@ccm.co.intel.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 21:46:00 -0400
Subject: 1990 oldsmobile cutless fuel pump question


     All,

     A friend of mine has a 1990 cutlass (sp?) with a fuel pump problem.

     His car acts as if he is running out of gas once in a while; things

     get worse until the engine dies; It will not restart immediately;
Give
     it about half an hour and he can start it up.  Things progressively

     get worse to the point were the car will not start anymore. The
first
     time this was experienced the fuel pump, which is in the fuel tank,

     was replaced. The car started right up and everything was fine; for

     about 3000 miles;
     The same symptoms,...and a different mechanic....change the fuel
pump
     one more time;  and the same story repeated;  He is in his 4th fuel

     pump and another mechanic suggested that the fuel pumps used on
that
     model are just too weak or have a design problem and that he should

     change to a different model.

     Questions:
       Did the 1990 olds cutlass have a known fuel pump problem?
       How does one find out?
       What could cause the fuel pumps to burn out like this?

     Any info is appreciated;

     By the way the car is not in the U.S.

     Abdi

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 21:53:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Carb rebuild

>That's a lot more work than a rebuild kit.

Duh, I knew that.  Can't go to the local parts monger store and get a
kit to bush those holes.  All you get in a kit like that is springs,
balls, accelerator pump, and all those miscellaneous internal parts.

>Find a good core for the proper carb. and build that.  I expect that
you can >find a good core, not spend too much for it; and then not need
to bush holes.

I have a good core for the proper carb...it's on the car.  I want to
keep it; therefore I need to bush the holes.  Why should I spend money
for another core??  Maybe I should just call Brad Urbans Carb Shop...

I was just thumbing through the October/November issue of Muscle Car
Review with an article about Brad Urban's Carb Shop, and he sells kits
to put bushings in those holes.  Guess I answered my own question.

BTW, there's an article in that MCR about a beautiful '67 442 W-30 that
was originally sold at Murphy Olds-Cadillac right here in Satellite
Beach, FL! Neat! - -- Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile
Cutlass Supreme Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse
GS dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 00:04:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Toro identity please

Lloyd Culp wrote:

> What is the condition of the "not so good" ones?  What cost is
> involved?  I will need at least one.

Well, not so good. I have rejected them for many reasons. Mostly because
they were curb kissed. Therefore they are scratched, bent, or some of
the little turbo fins are busted off. They are about as close to junk
as they get get. I suppose a guy who really knew his onions could
rebuild them, but it prolly wouldn't be worth it.

Sparky

- --
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm AKA "Sparky"

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:09:32 -0400
Subject: Re: 1990 oldsmobile cutless fuel pump question

At 09:46 PM 12/2/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>     All,
>
>     A friend of mine has a 1990 cutlass (sp?) with a fuel pump
problem. >     His car acts as if he is running out of gas once in a
while; things >     get worse until the engine dies; It will not
restart immediately; Give >     it about half an hour and he can start
it up.  Things progressively >     get worse to the point were the car
will not start anymore. The first >     time this was experienced the
fuel pump, which is in the fuel tank, >     was replaced. The car
started right up and everything was fine; for >     about 3000 miles; >
The same symptoms,...and a different mechanic....change the fuel pump >
one more time;  and the same story repeated;  He is in his 4th fuel >
pump and another mechanic suggested that the fuel pumps used on that >
model are just too weak or have a design problem and that he should >
change to a different model. > >     Questions: >       Did the
1990 olds cutlass have a known fuel pump problem? >       How does one
find out? >       What could cause the fuel pumps to burn out like this? >
 >     Any info is appreciated; > >     By the way the car is not
in the U.S. > >     Abdi > These symptoms are very much inline with
a fuel filter problem.  It is nearly full of junk, but still lets some
gas get by.  At cold startup the demand for fuel is low and the engine
is adequately supplied.  Go a bit, and it gets worse until the car dies,
fuel starvation.

Let it set a while, residual pressure has allowed a bit of fuel to pass
the filter, and it runs for a while.  Finally the filter refuses to let
anything pass, and you can't get it started.

Strangly a failing coil will present almost the exact same symptoms.

And of course there are others.  Balast resistor for one.

Remove fuel line just before the engine and see if fuel passes well at
this point.  There are three places for a fuel filter.

        1. At pump in tank (if so equipped)

        2. In line

        3. In carb.

If you've got fuel, your problem is elsewhere, if not check for filters.
Filters are more likely a problem than the pump, probably on a 5 to 1
ratio too.

The Wiz

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:09:08 -0400
Subject: 1972 VC 350 buildup (was Re:  )

At 08:45 PM 12/2/96 -0500, you wrote:
>I HAVE RECENTLY PURCHASED A 72 VISTA-CRUISER WITH 179,000 MILES.  ALL
ENGINE >AND TRANSMISSION/RUNNING GEAR IS ORGINIAL.  THIS IS A 350 WITH A
TWO BARREL >CARB AND A TH400 XMISSION.  ACCORDING TO SEVERAL MANUALS THE
NET HORSEPOWER >IS 160.  WHAT IS THIS EQUAL TO IN BHP AND IS THERE A
FORMULA FOR CONVERSION >OF NET TO BHP OR VISA VERSA??

Stop shouting! OK, now that CAPS LOCK is off, there is no direct
formula, but the equivalent 2-bbl, low compression 350 from 1971 with
the same cam produced 240 gross hp, so that is where your car is at.

>IS IT POSSIBLE TO REBUILD THIS ENGINE AND GET AN HONEST 300BHP?  I PLAN
ON >USING THIS VEHICLE FOR LONG FIELD TRIPS & OCCASIONALLY PULLING A
1800 LB BOAT. Well, in towing you really want torque, but yes, the 350
you have can very easily produce 300+hp. You can accomplish this with
the Edelbrock Performer package (cam, intake and 4-bbl carb).

>IF NOT POSSIBLE TO REBUILD THIS ENGINE TO THE ABOVE SPECS,  WHAT ABOUT
AN >ENGINE SWAP TO A 87-91 350 WITH A 700R4.  HAS ANYONE DONE THIS AND
IF SO

Well, that would be a Ch*vy motor, and you wouldn't want that! Your
current 350 and TH400 will serve you more reliably.
_______________________________________________________ Dr. Robert Barry
MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu Theology Dept, Providence College,
Providence, RI 02918

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From: Brad Nicholson <76062.3042@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:14:27 -0400
Subject: CCR Holiday Party

All Members of the Capitol City Rockets Chapter of OCA.

Don't forget that the CCR Holiday party is this Saturday @ Dan DeVito's
house. For the address & directions, check the Nov. issue of Rocket
Review.  If you haven't gotten it yet, drop me a line for the address &
phone number for Dan's

If your in the MD, VA, Wash DC area and thinking about joining CCR, drop
me a line so we know your coming.  CCR is a great club in the Wash DC
metro area (Remember I'm starting a club up in MD)
 ---
| | |  Brad Nicholson
| | |  1987 442 W-42
|/|\|  1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | |  President - Capitol City Rockets until 12/31/96
 --   76062.3042@compuserve.com

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:19:59 -0400
Subject: Re:

At 09:45 PM 12/2/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I HAVE RECENTLY PURCHASED A 72 VISTA-CRUISER WITH 179,000 MILES.  ALL
ENGINE >AND TRANSMISSION/RUNNING GEAR IS ORGINIAL.  THIS IS A 350 WITH A
TWO BARREL >CARB AND A TH400 XMISSION.  ACCORDING TO SEVERAL MANUALS THE
NET HORSEPOWER >IS 160.  WHAT IS THIS EQUAL TO IN BHP AND IS THERE A
FORMULA FOR CONVERSION >OF NET TO BHP OR VISA VERSA?? >IS IT POSSIBLE
TO REBUILD THIS ENGINE AND GET AN HONEST 300BHP?  I PLAN ON >USING THIS
VEHICLE FOR LONG FIELD TRIPS & OCCASIONALLY PULLING A 1800 LB BOAT. >
>IF NOT POSSIBLE TO REBUILD THIS ENGINE TO THE ABOVE SPECS,  WHAT ABOUT
AN >ENGINE SWAP TO A 87-91 350 WITH A 700R4.  HAS ANYONE DONE THIS AND
IF SO >PLEASE CONTACT ME >THANKS > > > You're reading advertising hype
into actual performance.  At one time, engines were run for HP ratings
without any parisitic drag.  No water pump, fuel pump, etc.  Then
someone decided that all of this should be included, so the numbers
changed a little, and so did the names.

Net hp<>actual brake horsepower developed

There is a ficticuous (sp?) hp rating called license hp or ALAM hp.  A
350 will have about 40 ALAM hp, regardless of what it can produce at the
flywheel.  The only number that actually comes from the engine is the
bore, so this number has absolutely no basis for anything buy the cost
of a license plate!

The best way to 300hp is not the extensive build required to bring a 350
up to that figure.  The best way is to put a mild build on a 455.  You
will get a lot more torque from the 455 than the 350 (at the same HP)
and not work the engine nearly as hard to produce this figure, which
builds in much greater engine life.  Also the cost will likely be less
too, even though 455 core motors are fewer by the day.

Almost everything, on the engine, will interchange between the 350 and
the 455 as well, making it a fairly easy swap.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:16:24 -0400
Subject: Re: 1990 oldsmobile cutless fuel pump question

>These symptoms are very much inline with a fuel filter problem.  It is
>nearly full of junk, but still lets some gas get by.  At cold startup
the >demand for fuel is low and the engine is adequately supplied.  Go a
bit, and >it gets worse until the car dies, fuel starvation.

I thought the car would need more fuel when cold, to richen the mixture
(like a choke, less air, more fuel) 'til the car warms up, then the
mixture can be leaned out a little...

>And of course there are others.  Balast resistor for one.

Don't think a 1990 Cutlass has a ballast resistor...
- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:24:37 -0400
Subject: Re:

At 09:45 PM 12/2/96 -0400, you wrote:
>I HAVE RECENTLY PURCHASED A 72 VISTA-CRUISER WITH 179,000 MILES.  ALL
ENGINE >AND TRANSMISSION/RUNNING GEAR IS ORGINIAL.  THIS IS A 350 WITH A
TWO BARREL >CARB AND A TH400 XMISSION.  ACCORDING TO SEVERAL MANUALS THE
NET HORSEPOWER >IS 160.  WHAT IS THIS EQUAL TO IN BHP AND IS THERE A
FORMULA FOR CONVERSION >OF NET TO BHP OR VISA VERSA?? >IS IT POSSIBLE
TO REBUILD THIS ENGINE AND GET AN HONEST 300BHP?  I PLAN ON >USING THIS
VEHICLE FOR LONG FIELD TRIPS & OCCASIONALLY PULLING A 1800 LB BOAT. >
>IF NOT POSSIBLE TO REBUILD THIS ENGINE TO THE ABOVE SPECS,  WHAT ABOUT
AN >ENGINE SWAP TO A 87-91 350 WITH A 700R4.  HAS ANYONE DONE THIS AND
IF SO >PLEASE CONTACT ME >THANKS > > > I split my answers into two
halves to respond to the 350 w700R4, separately. That is a Chevrolet
combination, and will fit in your Olds.  However, it is just as hard to
get 300HP from a Chev 350 as it is an Olds, only the Chevy performance
parts are a lot less expensive.  And you will need lots of brackets and
stuff with the Chevy as they cannot be used from the Olds. Also, on this
list, it has been mentioned that the 700R4 would need an extensive and
expensive build too, to handle the additional HP.  Your TH400 is one of
the best heavier duty trannies as is, and would be suggested to be
retained.

It will not fit on a Chevy 350 eng, so you need to stay with the Olds
engine.  And again, as in the previous post, a 455 is a better route to
300hp than a 350.

The Wiz

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:27:45 -0400
Subject: Re: 71 W-30 Part "WANTED"!!!

In a message dated 96-12-02 20:10:13 EST, you write:

<<  I do have a '71 442 W-30 AT distributor for sale or trade.  id:
 1112034  0G23.   >>
Thanks for the offer, but he already has the distributor and carburator
with the correct numbers.  Luckily the car still had the engine with the
dist,carb,
intake and H heads.  Like I said thanks again

W MACHINES

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 22:44:15 -0400
Subject: Re: 1990 oldsmobile cutless fuel pump question

At 10:16 PM 12/2/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>These symptoms are very much inline with a fuel filter problem.  It is
>>nearly full of junk, but still lets some gas get by.  At cold startup
the >>demand for fuel is low and the engine is adequately supplied.  Go
a bit, and >>it gets worse until the car dies, fuel starvation. > >I
thought the car would need more fuel when cold, to richen the mixture
>(like a choke, less air, more fuel) 'til the car warms up, then the
mixture >can be leaned out a little... > >>And of course there are
others.  Balast resistor for one. > >Don't think a 1990 Cutlass has a
ballast resistor... >-- >Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile
Cutlass Supreme >Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi
Eclipse GS >dpauliso@gate.net > > > Not exactly, the choke richens the
mixture, by decreasing the amount of air available for the regular
amount of fuel available from the carburator at any throttle setting (a
sort of the same effect, but actually handled a little bit differently).
The fuel consumed is directly in ratio to the hp produced.  Even at cold
fast idle it is a fairly low figure.  It would be expected that a cold
idle the fuel consumption would be a bit greater than at hot idle, but
nothing like the consumption at highway speeds.

The problem, if fuel, is still likely filters.

I doubt that a '90 Cutlass would have a ballast resistor, either.  It
was just an example of other similar acting problems.  The coil, another
example, can give curiously similar symptoms.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@HiWAAY.net>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 17:10:36 -0400
Subject: Fuel Tank Interchange

These are the Fuel Tank Interchanges for those of you w/damaged or
rusted tanks.

FUEL TANK - OLDSMOBILE

'59     88 & S88, SW                    20
                  exc SW                19
        98                              21
'60     SW                              32
        exc SW                          31
'61-62  SW                             108
        others                         107
'63     SW                             471
        others                         107B
'64     SW                             523
        others                         107B
'65     98                             525
        others                         524
'66     98                             559
        others                         558
'67-68  98                             593
        others                         592
'69     98                             641
        others                         592
'70     98 W/EEC                       695
        W/O                            696
        others W/EEC                   697
        W/o                            698

OLDSMOBILE F85

'62-62  SW 3 seat                      110
        others                         109
'63                                    469
'64-65  SW exc Skyroof                 520
           W/Skyroof                   521
        others                         519
'66     SW Skyroof                     521
           exc Skyroof                 520
        others                         557
'67     SW Skyroof                     521
           exc Skyroof                 520
        others                         591
'68     SW                             602
        others                         632
'69     SW                             642
        others                         632
'70     SW W/EEC                       680
           W/O                         642
        others W/EEC                   699
               W/O                     700

TORONADO

'66-67                                 560
'68                                    643
'69                                    644
'70     W/EEC                          704
        W/O                            705

INTERCHANGE

19     574235     Olds '59 88, S88, exc SW.
20     574237     Olds '59 SW.
21     574239     Olds '59 98.
31     577141     Olds '60 exc SW.
32     57791      Olds '60 SW.
107    385293     B W/surge tank fits A.
                  A. Olds '61 early '62 exc SW.
107B              B. Olds late '62 exc SW.
                     Olds '63-64 exc SW.
108    584830     Olds '61-62 SW.
109    583693     Olds F85 '61-62 exc 9 pass, 3 seat SW.
110    581773     Olds F85 '61-62 SW, 9 pass, 3 seat.
469    587093     Olds F85 '63.
471    587398     Olds '63 SW.
519    1377756    Buick Special '64-65 exc SW.
                  Buick Special '66 W/vent inside trunk (exc SW).
                  Olds F85 '64-65 exc SW.
                  Note: 564 fits.
520    394906     Buick special '64-67 SW exc Skyroof.
      21 1/2 gal  Olds F85 '64-67 SW exc skyroof.
                  Tempest '64-67 SW.
521    394910     Buick Special '64-67 skyroof SW.
                  Olds F85 '64-67 Skyroof SW.
523    380806     Olds '64 SW.
524    391178     Note: (1) & (2) interchange.  Use dash gas gauge used
W/replacing tank.
                  (1) Early '65 (identified by being W/O fuel surge
baffle or by having non-notched baffle).
                  (2) Late '65 (identified by having notched fuel surge
baffle).
                  Olds '65 exc 98.
525    391179     Note: (1) & (2) interchange.  Use dash gauge used
W/replacing tank.
                  (1) Early '65 (identified by being W/O fuel surge
baffle or by having non-notched baffle).
                  (2) Late '65 (identified by having notched fuel surge
baffle).
                  Olds '65 98.
557    390282     Olds F85 '66 exc SW.
558    393001     Olds '66 exc 98.
559    393003     Olds '66 98.
560    394561     Toronado '66-67.
564    1377756    Buick Special '66 W/vent outside trunk (exc SW).
                  Note: 564 fits 519.
592    404072     Olds '66-69 exc 98
593    399447     Olds '67-68 98.
602    398168     Buick Special '68-69 SW.
       20 gal     Chevelle '68-69 SW.
                  Chevelle '70 SW W.O EEC.
                  Olds F85 '68 SW.
                  Tempest '68-69 SW.
632    404078     Buick Special '68-69 exc SW.
                  Olds F85 '68-69 exc SW.
641    403159     Olds '69 98.
642    404160     Buick Special '70 SW W/O EEC.
                  Olds F85 '69 SW.
                  Olds '70 SW W/O EEC.
                  Tempest '70 SW W/O EEC.
643    400235     Toronado '68.
644    403153     Toronado '69.
680    404964     Buick Special '70 SW W/EEC.
                  Olds F85 '70 SW W/EEC.
                  Tempest '70 SW W/EEC.
695    405019     Olds '70 98 W/EEC.
696    405151     Olds '70 98 W/O EEC.
697    405018     Olds '70 W/EEC exc 98.
698    405150     Olds '70 W/O EEC exc 98.
699    405010     Olds F85 '70 W/EEC exc SW.
700    405109     Olds F85 '70 W/O EEC exc SW.
704    405081     Toronado '70 W/EEC.
705    405107     Toronado '70 W/O
EEC.
Watch out for the Tempest SW.  They are just scrap for Olds SWs.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Mon, 2 Dec 1996 23:40:26 -0400
Subject: Re: GM Quality

> I'm sorry, but I disagree.  It is a GM QC problem.  They are simply
> underbuilt.  Remember when one of the car companies advertised dipping
their > bodies in primer.  Another that advertised the extensive use of
galvanized > steel.

I think Audi might have been the first to advertise that.  If I'm not
mistaken, I think that all current GM cars go throught the primer dip
process.  As early as 1980, they have used a phosphate dip for
bodies, wax-coated frames, special sealers at seams, and gaskets in
areas of metal-to-metal contact.  GM has been using single-sided
galvanized steel since at least 1977 on some cars.  Also, all current GM
offerings boast double-sided galvanized panels.  The sheetmetal comes
pre-coated, then it is stamped into the appropriate shape.  Obviously,
this isn't as desirable as making the entire car then galvanizing it.
The latter isn't feasible for mass production.  If there is one thing
that has improved over the years, it is corrosion resistance.  On the
other hand, sheet metal has gotten thinner, and the industry started
using recycled material around 1980; they need the improved coatings to
make the lower quality metal last!

Kevin Wong

------------------------------

From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 00:20:55 -0400
Subject: Re: 1990 oldsmobile cutless fuel pump question

>      one more time;  and the same story repeated;  He is in his 4th
fuel >      pump and another mechanic suggested that the fuel pumps
used on that >      model are just too weak or have a design problem
and that he should >      change to a different model.

Does your friend have a habit of frequently running the fuel level down
below 1/8 tank?  The reserve fuel serves to cool the pump motor,
prolonging its life tremendously.  Another possibility is that one of
the evaporative emissions hoses is kinked or plugged, which would create
an inordinately high running vacuum in the tank.  This could cause
premature fuel pump failure due to the increased load, or stalling out
after prolonged high speed usage.

> Not exactly, the choke richens the mixture, by decreasing the amount
of > air available for the regular amount of fuel available from the

The ECM in a 1990 Cutlass would probably increase the "on" time of the
injectors during cold operation to achieve a higher fuel to air ratio.

>  The coil, another example, can give curiously similar symptoms.

This car probably has 3 coils.  If only one failed, a no-start condition
would be unlikely.

Kevin Wong

------------------------------

From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 01:02:57 -0400
Subject: Resto  Tips  .....

Hi There!

Gotta "plastic" type steering wheel and is it cracked?
fill the gap with sewing thread, and then fill it with body filler the
rest of the way.  sand it smooth and blend it with the rest of the
contours of the steering wheel, prime it and paint it... Turns out good
as new!



a side note...  2 guys w/ convertables contacted me w/ help for their
cars...

one guy has to send me information of dimensions of a broken part, and i
will see if i can fix / reproduce the part.

the other guy has been waiting patiently in buffalo area with a "tear"
by the glass...  Your messages "crashed" w/ my system.

Please send me another copy of it if you both can,  I am still working
on it Dont give up!



As for the rest of you out there in "Merry Oldsmobile Land", send in
your resto tips....   9 days left before i start the editing / judging
them and producing The resto tip handbook.  Oh, and mine dont get
judged!  so send 'em in while you still can!


Resto Corner

- -joe ferrero

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From: "Jason Hairston" <jth442@flash.net>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 01:08:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Overdrive Attachment Devices

I'm interested in ODing my TH400.  Let me know what you find out.

Jason Hairston
77 442

- ----------
> From: BobH592058@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Overdrive Attachment Devices
> Date: Monday, December 02, 1996 6:49 PM
>
> I haven't seen any replies to the fellow asking about OD units. I too
would
> like to know if anyone has experience, particularly durability.  I
would > _much_ rather modify my TH400 than mess with cables and
computers to get OD. > > There is an article in a recent car mag.
Don't remember which one but I > copied a page from the story for my
"Someday dreams" folder.  They describe > the installation of just such
a device into a high horse power street rod. >  Increased mileage from
7.8 to 12.7. > > The vendor of the OD unit is: > > Gear Vendors, Inc. >
1717 Magnolia Ave. > El Cajon, CA 92020 > (800)999-9555 > > I'll try to
call tomorow.  If anyone else is interested I'll post costs, etc. > >
"Enjoy the Ride!" > > Bob Handren        OCA/OCF# 7728 > '67 W-30
Modified     '70 SX Convertible > Oviedo, FL > > Handren Associates,
Inc. > FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs > Laser/Optical Radiation
Safety > (407)365-6385 > >

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 01:48:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Resto  Tips  .....

>Gotta "plastic" type steering wheel and is it cracked?
>fill the gap with sewing thread, and then fill it with body filler the
rest of >the way.  sand it smooth and blend it with the rest of the
contours of the >steering wheel, prime it and paint it... Turns out
good as new!

Good to hear.  I work at a bowling alley here, and part of the job
involves plugging the finger holes in bowling balls.  We use a
catalyst-urethane plug material, and I used it a few years back on a
spare Buick wheel.  It had many cracks, and proved to be quite a project
(especially since it is a full liquid plug at first!)  It looked quite
successful, but time confusing, having to file all the finger grips.  I
gave up on the project when I found my GS wheel!  It still hangs on the
wall with the plug-stuff hanging out everywhere!  Someday...

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 01:48:18 -0400
Subject: Re: 1990 oldsmobile cutless fuel pump question

>>      one more time;  and the same story repeated;  He is in his 4th
fuel >>      pump and another mechanic suggested that the fuel pumps
used on that >>      model are just too weak or have a design problem
and that he should >>      change to a different model.


So often I hear of people burning up pumps, but don't check one thing:
The fuel filter.  If that thing starts plugging up, the pump has to work
twice as hard to overcome it, and often leads to premature failure.  I
think some have regulation before the filter, but most don't.  I'm not
sure about the Olds, but it's something to keep in mind if you're eating
pumps.

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 01:48:11 -0400
Subject: Qjet rebuild (was carb rebuild)

>>That's a lot more work than a rebuild kit.
>
>Duh, I knew that.

     < < < S N I P > > >

So many of the carbs out there sufferred from this problem, yet I've
never heard of any do-it-yerself kits for it.  There are companies that
you send it off to, and they'll do it, but they don't trust the general
public to operate power tools, I guess :)  I suppose no company wants to
put one together and be liable for everyone pulling the butterflies off,
breaking off the swagged-in mounting screws, and screwing up the shaft
trying to get those screws back out.  Who knows...

Someone last week was discussing the Q-jet overhauls.  Hot Rod has a
how-to article about the Q-jet this month.  I didn't read much of it yet
(just came today) but it looked like something this person might be
interested in.  As for parts flying out at you, the only thing coming to
mind is the accelerator pump, and I don't recall seeing much reference
to that in the article.  It doesn't fly far :) but can be a three-handed
job going back in. (I can do with one, but ya know...)
     Anyway, hope that helps out some....

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: Clarence Isaacks II <IKE.ISAACKS-DENVER@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 01:56:24 -0400
Subject: Message-ID: <19961203055918.AAA20219@LOCALNAME>

Okay, I'll start over...
I have a 72 Olds 350 2bbl/with TH400. This engine has type F heads
meaning that it is suitable for unleaded fuel.  What other differences
are there in this 72 motor to the 69-70 350's that would cause a 60 to
90 horsepower loss for same engine.

Where can I put my hands on a hard copy book/manual that illustrates or
explains cam specs, valve size differences, port alignment etc, etc.

Did the engineers retard timing, change to a different 2bbl carb.,
smaller exhaust or what?

Someone out there said that 455 parts will fit the 350 but this is not
entirely true.  I know for a fact that the intake ports will not align
properly on many manifolds.

I'm new to the internet and Olds motors!!!   I have built many Chevy
265-350 engines, just need a little Olds quirks help.

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 02:31:47 -0400
Subject: Re:

At 12:56 AM 12/3/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Okay, I'll start over...
>I have a 72 Olds 350 2bbl/with TH400. This engine has type F heads
meaning >that it is suitable for unleaded fuel.  What other differences
are there in >this 72 motor to the 69-70 350's that would cause a 60 to
90 horsepower loss >for same engine.

Hmmm, where does it say "F" on your heads? If it is a letter cast into
the lower-left corner, then you have a very-desireable 1970 W-30 455 set
of heads on your car (how they would get there, I can't imagine). Stock,
you should have a set of #7a heads. If you do have "F" heads, then your
compression has dropped through the floor, due to the huge 80cc
big-block combustion chambers.

>Where can I put my hands on a hard copy book/manual that illustrates or
explains
>cam specs, valve size differences, port alignment etc, etc.

>From what I can gather, there are no significant differences: the 60 hp
loss is on paper only, due to the change from gross to net rating. In
order to get the equivalent of a late-60's 310hp 350, you'll need 10.25
compression, 4-bbl carb, 2.00" intake valves and a 4-speed cam (or some
similar grind). Your cam has .400" lift, as did most all
automatic-equipped small-blocks from 1968-1979.

>Did the engineers retard timing, change to a different 2bbl carb.,
smaller >exhaust or what?

Nope, on paper only (there were changes, but nothing significant from
the early low-compression 2-bbl 350 motors)

>Someone out there said that 455 parts will fit the 350 but this is not
>entirely true.  I know for a fact that the intake ports will not align
>properly on many manifolds.

Right, though the Edelbrock Performer RPM reportedly has enough material
to be port-matched. You wouldn't want those huge chambers on a
small-block, however, since they'd drop the compression by at least a
full point, and you need the compression to make power in an Olds.

>I'm new to the internet and Olds motors!!!   I have built many Chevy
265-350 >engines, just need a little Olds quirks help.

Have you read through the FAQ yet? Gotten Mondello's technical guide?
Gotten a hold of a copy of Year One's Cutlass/442 catalog (free, and
full of info!). These are all good places to start your re-education
(yeah, Olds motors are quite a bit different from that "other"
small-block ;) _______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu Theology Dept,
Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 02:33:35 -0400
Subject: Ways to keep vandals off your car

I started this thread to wake up discussion on car thefts in general
and perhaps to get new ideas on how to keep those UWP:s
(UnWantedPersons) off your vechile.

One thing I noticed immediately was that you guys want to hurt the
thief and hurt him bad. Wouldn't it be better to keep him alive
telling other creeps what you should do and what you should NOT do ?
Too much hurting may just wake the devil demanding revenge. I think that
a reasonable amount of fear is a good way to protect.

I've heard that you have a dog problem there in USA and especially in
Florida. Well, we don't have it, because 'wild' dogs would die during
the long winter. The dogs we have receive a good care and are usually
well trained.

Would you dare to step into a car that has a dog inside ?

No, not a pekingese but perhaps an ugly looking bullterrier or
a mountain sized wolfhound?

The good thing in wolfhound is that it is so friendly that the thief
has no room for working under the dash. Instead he gets slicked slimy.

We have an 5 months old Irish wolfhound puppy. He's already 60
centimeters tall and wighs well over 40 kg. He will almost double that
when he is full grown.

Does this classify as a resto tip ?
- --
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* Esko Ilola                                 *
* Email esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi           *
* X400  G=esko S=ilola O=tele A=mailnet C=fi *
* Tel.  +358 2040 3439                       *
* Mail  Ukonkivenpolku 7B5                   *
*       01610 VANTAA                         *
*       FINLAND                              *
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* Oldsmobile Ninety Eight 1964               *
*            Holiday Sports Sedan (4D HT)    *
**********************************************

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 03:00:59 -0400
Subject: *NON Olds* humor - (uncensored)

It's that time of year, so I felt it my moral imperitive to try to bring
smiles to the faces of ~most~ of the fellow Olds fans :)  Those who will
condenm the non-Olds post can stay warm from the newly created flames,
and all will be happy...  Seriously, any flames about this post, please
send straight to me, so it will be a one-time appearance to the list.
Since it's entirely non-car related, and I know many of us will
appreciate it, but don't know how many will, and don't want to spend all
month digging up addresses for those that I know will, I'm putting it
here.  I hope this is enough of a Cover-My-Butt disclaimer...   :) Once
again, this is uncensorred, so if you're under 18, etc.  delete now... I
hope this doesn't offend anyone too badly, as I usually try to censor my
posts. I found this on the net last year, and really got a kick out of
it.  Enjoy.


>                The 12 days of Christmas
>
>December 14th
>
>Dearest John:
>
>I went to the door today and the postman delivered a partridge in a
>pear tree. What a delightful gift. I couldn't have been more surprised.
>
>With dearest love and affection, Agnes
>
> --------------------------------------
>
>December 15th
>
>Dearest John:
>
>Today the postman brought your very sweet gift. Just imagine, two
turtle >doves.... I'm just delighted at your very thoughtful gift. They
are just >adorable. > >All my love, Agnes > > ------------------ >
>December 16th > >Dear John: > >Oh, aren't you the extravagant one! Now
I must protest. I don't deserve >such generosity. Three french hens.
They are just darling but I must >insist.... you're just too kind. >
>Love Agnes > > --------- > >December 17th > >Today the postman
delivered four calling birds. Now really! They are >beautiful, but don't
you think enough is enough? You're being too romantic. >
>Affectionately, Agnes > > --------------------- > >December 18th >
>Dearest John: > >What a surprise! Today the postman delivered five
golden rings. One for >each finger. You're just impossible, but I love
it. Frankly, John, all >those squawking birds were beginning to get on
my nerves. > >All my love, Agnes > > ------------------ > >December 19th >
>Dear John: > >When I opened the door there were actually six geese
a-laying on my front >steps. So you're back to the birds again, huh?
Those geese are huge. Where >will I ever keep them? The neighbors are
complaining and I can't sleep >through the racket. PLEASE STOP! >
>Cordially, Agnes > > ---------------- > >December 20th > >John: >
>What's with you and those fucking birds???? Seven swans a-swimming.
What >kind of goddam joke is this? There's bird shit all over the house
and they >never stop the racket. I'm a nervous wreck and I can't sleep
all night. >IT'S NOT FUNNY.......So stop with those fucking birds. >
>Sincerely, Agnes > > ---------------- > >December 21st > >OK Buster: >
>I think I prefer the birds. What the hell am I going to do with eight
maids >a-milking? It's not enough with all those birds and eight maids
a-milking, >but they had to bring their own goddam cows. There is shit
all over the >lawn and I can't move into my own house. Just lay off me.
SMART ASS. > >Ag > > ---------------- > >December 22nd > >Hey Shithead: >
>What are you? Some kind of sadist? Now there's nine pipers playing. And
>Christ - do they play. They never stopped chasing those maids since
they got >here yesterday morning. The cows are upset are stepping all
over those >screeching birds. No wonder they screeh. What am I going to
do? The >neighbors have started a petition to evict me. You'll get
yours. > >>>From Ag > > ---------------- > >December 23rd > >You Rotten
Prick: > >Now there's ten ladies dancing - I don't know why I call those
sluts ladies. >They've been balling those nine pipers all night long.
Now the cows can't >sleep and they've got diarrhea. My living room is a
river of shit. The >commisioner of buildings has subpoenaed me to give
cause why the building >shouldn't be condemned. I'm siccing the police
on you. > >One who means it, Ag > > -------------------- > >December
24th > >Listen Fuckhead: > >What's with the eleven lords a-leaping on
those maids and aforementioned >"ladies"? Some of those broads will
never walk again. Those pipers ran >through the maids and have been
commiting sodomy with the cows. All 234 of >the birds are dead. They
have been trampled to death in the orgy. I hope >you're satisfied, you
rotten swine. > >Your sworn enemy, Miss Agnes McCallister > >
-------------------------------------- > >December 25th (>From the law
offices Taeker, Spredar, and Baegar) > >Dear Sir: > >This is to
acknowledge your latest gift of twelve fiddlers fiddling, which >you
have seen fit to inflict on our client, Miss Agnes McCallister. The
>destruction, of course, was total. All correspondence should come to
our >attention. If you should attempt to reach Miss McCallister at Happy
Dale >Sanitarium, the attendants have instructions to shoot you on
sight. With >this letter, please find attached a warrant for your
arrest. >
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
--- >

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: Ryan Hehn <RYANH@docker.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 04:23:06 -0400
Subject: Re: GM Quality

Steve Ochs wrote:
>      Don't get me wrong. I love my 442.  I think that the 1981 to 1988
> G-bodies are the best looking vehicles GM ever made.  Also, all of the
> quality problems were fit and finish, body, and trim problems.  The
> vehicles are great for mechanical quality as is witnessed by the large
> number of these vehicles still on the road.  It is just a little
> dissapointing to purchase your 'dream car' new and have rust and paint
> problems.  Well, enough of my soapbox.

I agree with you about the problems noted above... I've had to do rust
repair to the doors on both of my Cutlass's...  But isn't it true that
most automakers during the 80's had the same type of problems?  (if not
worse)?  Chrysler cars look like each one was fitted together
differently, and Ford, well, don't get me started!

Ryan Hehn
ryanh@docker.com

------------------------------

From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 06:33:54 -0400
Subject: Excellent Olds Engine Article!!

For those of you that are interested, I just sent Bryce (442.com) a file
of what I think is the BEST Olds engine I've ever read, and should be
posted at his site in the next several days.

For those of you that can't wait, please feel free to email me
personally, and I'll send it your way.  If I get swamped with requests,
I'll send it to you all via the digest as an attached text file...

smardale@airmail.net

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From: mike <h07@earthlink.net>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:07:04 -0400
Subject: Viking stats

Hi Dennis,

Sorry I don't have your original post.  What Viking stats are you
looking for?  Here is a sample (from Standard Catalog of American
Cars, Vol 1).

   Model years: 1929-30
   Engine: 81 bhp 90deg V8
   Wheelbase: 125"
   Bodies: Convertible Coupe
           Sedan
           Closed-Coupled Sedan
   Manufacturer: Olds Motor Works

I've never seen one in person, just in pictures.

Mike Van Auken
'79 Starfire GT

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From: Frank Boerger <103454.317@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:53:58 -0400
Subject: FW: Ways to keep vandals off your car

>We have an 5 months old Irish wolfhound puppy. He's already 60
>centimeters tall and wighs well over 40 kg. He will almost double that
>when he is full grown.

>Does this classify as a resto tip ?

Only if you can share a great carpet cleaning trick !!!!

Frank "I had to scrape my windows this morning
!!"Boerger//Tallahassee//FL

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:08:00 -0400
Subject: STATS  (was Re: Viking stats)

Sorry, no Viking stats, but if anybody needs original stats for cars
(almost any make) made after 1946, I've got some fairly good resources
at the college here.

Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

------------------------------

From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:03:45 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: TH350 > TH400 swap


I was thinking of putting it in the Eclipse, but then decided it would
be better to put it in my Olds.  Probably fit with less hassle, and
besides, the Eclipse is front wheel drive...  ;)
               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

          You mean the Toro-heads haven't jumped all over this one
          yet?  I'm disappointed.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30



------------------------------

From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:05:00 -0400
Subject: Heat riser plugs

Fernando wrote:
>The only thing I did was I block off the heat riser with those cast
alumiunun block you >can get from mondello, they have to be ground to
fit though, big job..

All,
I used those plugs as well in my car.  After a month or two, an
annoying/worrisome rattle developed in the motor.  It wouldn't rattle
upon accelerating the engine, just when the engine was decelerating.  As
it turns out, those plugs, which I had to install with a hammer, had
come loose.  I filled the passages with Mondello's ZA-12 alloy.  Much
better!  So if you ever hear a rattle, Fernando, keep this story in
mind.
Scott Mullen
'70 442

------------------------------

From: Oly13@aol.com
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:09:05 -0400
Subject: '68 or '70 Toronado GT Rear Bumper

Am trying to find a rear bumper from a 68 or 70 Toronado GT with the
cutouts for dual exhaust.  If anyone knows of one please contact me at
Oly13@aol.com
 Please let me know who to call and where it is.  I will consider fair
condition or better (no major hits or dents).

------------------------------

From: Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:18:00 -0400
Subject: Adding Gauges

Hate to bring this up again so soon, but I have a question related to
the discussion last week regarding gauges.

I just ordered Oil Pressure and Water Temp gauges for my 442 and
now am looking at how to install them.  Someone last week mentioned
that to use the new Oil Pressure sender while keeping the idiot light
one should buy a 2" pipe and a T-fitting, and make sure to wrap the
threads in teflon tape.  Two questions:

1>  Wouldnt the teflon tape act as an insulator, thus rendereing the
ground path for the senders useless?  If so, is there conductive
pipe thread compound available?

2>  Do I need to also buy the Olds special 45 degree elbow, or will
the gauge sender (which is rather beefy) clear the waterpump/block
assuming 2" extension and a T-fitting?

Bonus round>  Should I be using the cast iron pipe and T's I found
at the local hardware store, or should I keep looking for brass pipe
and connectors?

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed

------------------------------

From: Joanne Beausoleil <jbeausol@ftp.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:25:26 -0400
Subject: RE: Ways to keep vandals off your car

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Ya, but won' the dog destroy your interior? It is also illegal in some =
parts of the country to leave an animal in a vehicle.

I like the solution of having the thief locked inside of the car while =
an alarm goes off.

One of the most annoying things is just the random acts of violence that
= the kids do around here. They will scrape the shit out of your car
just = to take the oldsmobile logos and emblems off. They will bend you
= antennas, steal your chrome tail pipe extensions, anything they can
get = their hands on. Thats why I think the best deterrent is to wire
the car = for a little jolt. If they can't get near enough to the car to
steal = anything, then they won't be able to take out their frustrations
on it = either.=20

- ----------
From: 	Esko Ilola[SMTP:esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi]
Sent: 	Tuesday, December 03, 1996 1:33 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Ways to keep vandals off your car

One thing I noticed immediately was that you guys want to hurt the
thief and hurt him bad. Wouldn't it be better to keep him alive
telling other creeps what you should do and what you should NOT do ?
Too much hurting may just wake the devil demanding revenge. I think that
a reasonable amount of fear is a good way to protect.

I've heard that you have a dog problem there in USA and especially in
Florida. Well, we don't have it, because 'wild' dogs would die during
the long winter. The dogs we have receive a good care and are usually
well trained.

Would you dare to step into a car that has a dog inside ?

No, not a pekingese but perhaps an ugly looking bullterrier or
a mountain sized wolfhound?

The good thing in wolfhound is that it is so friendly that the thief
has no room for working under the dash. Instead he gets slicked slimy.

We have an 5 months old Irish wolfhound puppy. He's already 60
centimeters tall and wighs well over 40 kg. He will almost double that
when he is full grown.

Does this classify as a resto tip ?
- --=20
**********************************************
* Esko Ilola                                 *
* Email esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi           *
* X400  G=3Desko S=3Dilola O=3Dtele A=3Dmailnet C=3Dfi *
* Tel.  +358 2040 3439                       *
* Mail  Ukonkivenpolku 7B5                   *
*       01610 VANTAA                         *
*       FINLAND                              *
**********************************************
* Oldsmobile Ninety Eight 1964               *
*            Holiday Sports Sedan (4D HT)    *
**********************************************





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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:33:05 -0400
Subject: Re: GM Quality

At 04:23 AM 12/3/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Steve Ochs wrote:
>>      Don't get me wrong. I love my 442.  I think that the 1981 to
1988 >> G-bodies are the best looking vehicles GM ever made.  Also, all
of the >> quality problems were fit and finish, body, and trim problems.
The >> vehicles are great for mechanical quality as is witnessed by the
large >> number of these vehicles still on the road.  It is just a
little >> dissapointing to purchase your 'dream car' new and have rust
and paint >> problems.  Well, enough of my soapbox. > >I agree with you
about the problems noted above... I've had to do rust >repair to the
doors on both of my Cutlass's...  But isn't it true that >most
automakers during the 80's had the same type of problems?  (if not
>worse)?  Chrysler cars look like each one was fitted together
>differently, and Ford, well, don't get me started! > >Ryan Hehn
>ryanh@docker.com >

I don't think that the other of the Big "3" are much (any actually)
better than Good ole Mother GM.  They all fell over the edge.  (Flat
earth society at play here).  Actually, all they did was make a gaping
hole that was filled by imported cars from a place where quality, it
actually seems to be a commitment, instead of just an advertising ploy.

They appear to have gotten a lot better, especially under the hood.

One must hope that the Big "3" actually do get their collective acts
together, and do something about it, or I'll never buy a new car from
them again.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:34:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: TH350 > TH400 swap

JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com wrote:
>
> besides, the Eclipse is front wheel drive...  ;)
>                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>           You mean the Toro-heads haven't jumped all over this one
>           yet?  I'm disappointed.

Sorry, Joe, during yeaterday's message blizzard , it must have
gotten by us.  Besides, I went to a junkyard where I discovered an
extremely rare 360 degree V8.  All the pistons in one cylinder!   ;)

<FWD>
WHATAYA MEAN?  What's wrong with front wheel drive?
</FWD>

Better?

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 10:45:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Viking stats

At 09:07 AM 12/3/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Dennis,
>
>Sorry I don't have your original post.  What Viking stats are you
>looking for?  Here is a sample (from Standard Catalog of American
>Cars, Vol 1).
>
>   Model years: 1929-30
>   Engine: 81 bhp 90deg V8
>   Wheelbase: 125"
>   Bodies: Convertible Coupe
>           Sedan
>           Closed-Coupled Sedan
>   Manufacturer: Olds Motor Works
>
>I've never seen one in person, just in pictures.
>
>Mike Van Auken
>'79 Starfire GT
>
>
>
Also there were 5260 built in 1929 and 2743 in 1930, for a total of
8003. They came in three trim versions, standard, Deluxe and Special
(special was top of the line). The engine was 260 cu. in.

I've seen two.  A cabriolet project in my garage, and a 4 door in
storage.

An earlier post said that the Olds club had 19 in their register,
without mine, I expect.  Not really a good showing of 0.25%.

Also, factory paper for these, save for sales brochures and owners
manuals seems to quite scarce too.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:56:05 -0400
Subject: 1 that got away

That thread on the '90 Cutlass with the dying fuel pump reminded me of
one of my "one that got away" stories.  I was checking out the used cars
 at the local Chrysler/Plymouth/Jeep/Eagle/Oldsmobile/Subaru dealer,
and saw an '89 Cutlass.  It was cherry, and had only 87,000 miles on
it. Plus, it had the 3.8 liter V6 and a 5 speed.  I went in and asked
about it.  The used car person told me that it had quit running on
them.  They thought that it was just the fuel pump.  Rather then mess
with it, they offered to sell it to me as is for only $1500!  Well, I'm
the kind of person who always thinks of the worst case scenario, and I
of course thought it was probably something major like the entire
injection system rather than the pump so I passed up the offer.  Last I
heard, it was just the pump, the dealer replaced it, and sold the car
for $4,000 and something.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 09:47:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: TH350 > TH400 swap

Already replied to it yesterday ;-)

Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

On Tue, 3 Dec 1996 JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com wrote:

>
> I was thinking of putting it in the Eclipse, but then decided it would
be > better to put it in my Olds.  Probably fit with less hassle, and
besides, > the Eclipse is front wheel drive...  ;) >
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >           You mean the Toro-heads
haven't jumped all over this one >           yet?  I'm disappointed. >
 >           Joe Padavano >           jpada@hqgate.orbital.com >
 >           66 442 >           68 W-30 >           69 H/O >
70 W-30 > > > > >

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:13:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Adding Gauges

>1>  Wouldnt the teflon tape act as an insulator, thus rendereing the
>ground path for the senders useless?  If so, is there conductive
>pipe thread compound available?

Wow, this man _really_ thinks ahead! I haven't had first-hand experience
with an electrical sender (i.e. installing an aftermarket one) except to
note that the factory uses electrical ones and routinely uses some sort
of sealing compound, so I would say that the tape fills in the gaps, but
is soft enough to squish under metal-to-metal contact. You should have
a ground once it's tight. (I wouldn't use a ton of sealing tape,
though.)

>2>  Do I need to also buy the Olds special 45 degree elbow, or will
>the gauge sender (which is rather beefy) clear the waterpump/block
>assuming 2" extension and a T-fitting?

Use whatever angle will clear for your application. 2", 1", 90 degrees,
45 degrees, whatever works.

>Bonus round>  Should I be using the cast iron pipe and T's I found
>at the local hardware store, or should I keep looking for brass pipe
>and connectors?

I like the brass better but did use a cast-iron fitting on a car of
mine once. But (going out on a limb here) I could see cast iron cracking
under, um, weird circumstances where brass might not.

I'd keep looking for brass fittings. They shouldn't be hard to find at
a big hardware store.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 11:44:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Adding Gauges

1>  Wouldnt the teflon tape act as an insulator, thus rendereing the
ground path for the senders useless?  If so, is there conductive
pipe thread compound available?

          Yes, teflon is an insulator, however in the course of
          threading the pipe into the fitting, enough of the tape is
          distorted and pushed around that there is sufficient
          metal-to-metal contact to establish a proper ground.  I
          can't say that I've ever had a ground problem with teflon
          tape.

2>  Do I need to also buy the Olds special 45 degree elbow, or will
the gauge sender (which is rather beefy) clear the waterpump/block
assuming 2" extension and a T-fitting?

          Either way works.  Typically the pipe and T-fitting will be
          tall enough for the sender to clear the intake/block/water
          pump.  You may wish to use the 45 deg fitting for esthetics,
          however.  I _have_ been able to find generic 45 deg fittings
          in hardware/auto parts stores.

Bonus round>  Should I be using the cast iron pipe and T's I found
at the local hardware store, or should I keep looking for brass pipe
and connectors?

          Again, done it both ways.  I think the brass looks better,
          however.  Just be careful not to overtorque the brass
          fittings (easy to do with a large wrench, as the teflon tape
          really reduces the friction - been there, done that too!).


          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 05:49:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Radiator Interchange (LOOONG)

Lloyd Culp wrote:
>
> Theese radiators interchange:
>
RADIATOR - OLDSMOBILE

'59-60                               64
'61-62  AC & heavy duty cooling      91
        others, std trans            90B
                AT                   90C
'63     AC & heavy duty cooling      91
        others                       90N
'64     Jetstar 88                  875
        exc Jetstar 88
          AC & heavy duty cooling    91
        others, std trans           878
                AT                   90N
'65-66  AC & heavy duty cooling
                            '65     876C
                            '66     876D
        others
          Jetstar 88, std trans     877A
                      AT            877B
          exc Jetstar 88, std trans 876A
                          AT        876B
'67    AC                           876D
       others, 8-330                877B
               8-425, std trans     876A
                     AT             876B
'68    heavy duty cooling          1085
       others 8-350                1366
              8-455 std trans      1366
              8-455 AT             1085
'70    heavy duty cooling          1367
       others 8-350                1368
              8-455 std trans      1368
                    AT             1085

OLDSMOBILE F85

'61                                  87
'62    Jetfire                       97
       others                        87
'63    Jetfire                      848
       others W/AC                  848
              W/O                    87
'64    6 cyl                        873
       8 cyl                        874
'65    6-225                        873
       8-330 heavy duty cooling     881
             others                 879
       8-400 (442)                  880
'66-67 6-250                       1034
       8-330                       1035
       8-400                       1036
'68-69 6-250 heavy duty cooling    1168
             others                1084
       8-350 heavy duty cooling    1169
             others                1168
       8-400 heavy duty cooling    1169
             others W/AC           1169
                    W/O            1168
       8-455 (Hurst)               1169
'70    6-250 heavy duty cooling    1168
             others W/AC           1072
                    W/O            1084
       8-350 heavy duty cooling    1169
             others                1168
       8-455 heavy duty cooling    1169
             others W/AC           1169
                    W/O            1168

TORONADO

'66-67                             1033
'68    375 HP                      1170
       400 HP (H/Per)              1171
'69                                1170
'70    heavy duty cooling          1381
       others W/AC                 1382
              W/O                  1383

INTERCHANGE:

64     3147443 W/AC. Only as shown in notes.  Core size 25 1/4 x 17 5/8
x 2
                         A. stpd 3144240, 3145740, 3148045 W/O AC.
                            Olds '59-60 W/synch trans.
                            Note: B,C, D & E fit.
                         B. stpd 3143641, 3145741, 3148046 W/O AC.
                            Olds '59-60 88 W/AT.
                            Note: D Y E fit.  A & C fit by switching
bottom tanks.
                         C. stpd 3141844, 3145744 W/O AC
                            Olds '59-60 S88 W/synch trans.
                            Note: A fits but gives less cooling.  B, C &
E fit.
                         D. stpd 3141831, 3145742 W/O AC.
                            Olds '59-60 S88 & 98 ser W/AT.
                            Note: E fits.
                         E. stpd 3141834, 3145743 W/AC.
                            Olds '5960 W/AT.
87     A thru F interchange only as shown in notes.  If more interchange
is desired, switch lower tanks.  Watch capacity as AC cores have large
capacity.  Size 25 1/4 x 12 1/4 x 1 1/4.
       3151043           A. Buick stpd 3148343.
                            Olds stpd 3148340.
                            Buick Special '61 early 62 exc AC.  Core
stpd 121 or 143.
                            Olds F85 '61 std trans exc AC.
                            Olds F85 '62 std trans exc AC & Jetfire.
                            Note: B,C & D fit.
       3151043            B. Buick stpd 3150021
                             Olds stpd 3150045, 3150141, 3152146
(service)
                             Buick Special '61 early '62 AC.  Core stpd
121 or 143.
                             Olds F85 '61 std trans W/AC.
                             Olds F85 '62-63 std trans W/AC exc Jetfire.
                             Note 1: D fits.  C fits but gives less
cooling.
                             Note 2: Our #97 (AC) fits.
       3148341, 3152046,  C. Olds F85 '61 AT exc AC.
       3152146 (service)     Olds F85 '62-63 AT exc AC & Jetfire.
                             Note 1: B & D fit.
                             Note 2: Fits 97.
       3148342            D. Olds F85 '61 AT W/AC.
                             Olds F85 '62 AT W/AC exc Jetfire.
                             Note: C fits but gives less cooling.
       3144324 stpd       E. Buick early '62 special 6 cyl W/O AC.
Core          3150022
marked 121 or 123.
90B    A thru S interchange by swiching lower tank.  At jobs fit man
shift W/O change.  Man shift jobs fit AT by switching lower tank.
though core size is same on all under 90 (25 1/4 x 17 3/8 x 2) cores for
AC have more fins/inch than those W/O AC.  It is recommended AC be used
for others, but not vice versa.
       3003445 stpd       B. Olds '61-62 std trans exc AC & heavy duty
         3149144
cooling.
90C    30033445 stpd      C. Olds '61-62 AT exc AC & heavy duty
cooling.          3149142
90N    3003445 stpd       N. Olds '63 exc AC & heavy duty cooling.
         3159142             Olds '64 AT exc AC, hevy duty cooling &
Jetstar 88.
                             Note: Same as 90C
91     3155346 stpd 3148443 or 3150943; 3155346 (service)
                           (Core size 25 1/4 x 18 3/4 x 2 5/8). AT jobs
fit man shift W/O change.  Man shift jobs fit AT by switching lower
tank.
                            Olds '61-63 AC & heavy duty cooling.
                            Olds '64 AC & heavy duty cooling exc Jetstar
88.
97     3151042 stpd 3155148-9, 3151042 W/O AC.  3151041 stpd 3155147
W/AC.  3152146 (service).
                          Note: AT rad fits all man shift jobs but to
use man shift rad in AT jobs, switch lower tanks.
                         Olds F85 '62 Jetfire.
                         Note: For AC cars 87B fits
848    3157947           Olds F85 '63 Jetfire.
                         Olds F85 '63 AC exc Jetfire.
873
874                      Note: B,C & D fit A.  C & D fit
B.                                      A. 3158744 orig eq; 3001445
service.
                            Olds F85 '64 8 cyl std trans exc AC & heavy
duty cooling.
                          B. 3158745 orig eq; 3001445 service.
                             Olds F85 '64 8cyl AT exc AC & heavy duty
cooling.
                          C. 3158746 orig eq; 3001446 service.
                             Olds F85 '64 8 cyl W/AC.
                          D. 3002047 orig eq & service.
                             Olds F85 '64 8 cyl W/heavy duty cooling.
875                      B & C fits A.  C fits B.
                         A. 3158840 orig eq 3001441 service.
                            Olds '64 Jetstar 88 std trans exc AC & heavy
duty coolinng.
                         B. 3158841 orig eq; 3001441 service.
                            Olds '64 Jetstar 88 AT exc AC & heavy duty
cooling.
                         C. 3158849 orig eq; 3001449 service.
                            Olds '64 Jetstar 88 AC & heavy duty cooling.
876A                     B & C fit A.  C & D are heavy duty for A & B.
                         A. stpd 3003244; service 3003242.
                            Olds '65-66 std trans exc AC heavy duty
cooling & Jetstar 88.
                            Olds '67 8-425 std trans exc AC.
876B                     B. stpd 3003242; service 303242.
                            Olds '65-66 AT exc AC hevay duty cooling &
Jetstar 88.
                            Olds '67 8-425 aT exc AC.
876C                        C. stpd 3001049 (J88) or 3002046 (others);
service 3005246.
                            Olds '65 AC & heavy duty cooling.
876D                        D. stpd 3008649 (J88) 3008646 (others);
service 3008646.
                               Olds '66 AC & heavy duty cooling.
                               Olds '67 AC.
877A                        Service 3003241.  B fits A.
                            A. stpd 3003240 std trans.
                               Olds '65-66 Jetstar 88 exc AC & heavy
duty cooling.
877B                        B. stpd 30033241 AT.
                               Olds '65-66 Jetstar 88 exc AC & heavy
duty cooling.
                               Olds '67 8-330 exc AC.
878                       3149114 orig eq; 3002444 service.
                            Olds '64 std trans exc AC, heavy duty
cooling & Jetstar 88.
879                        B & C fit A.  C fits B.
                           A. 3002344 orig eq; 3005245 service.
                              Olds F85 8-330 std trans exc AC & heavy
duty cooling.
                           B. 3002345 origf eq; 3005245 service.
                              Olds F85 '65 8-330 At exv AC & heavy duty
cooling.
                           C. 3002346 orig eq; 3005343 service.
                              Olds F85 '65 8-330 W/AC.
                              Note: Service rad same as 880C.
880                        B & C fit A.  C fits B.
                           A. 3005141 orig eq; 3005341.
                              Olds F85 '65 8-400 (442) At exc AC.
                           B. 3005142 orig e: 3005341.
                              Olds F85 8-400 (442) std trans exc AC.
                           C. 3005143 orig eq; 30055343 service.
                              Olds F85 '65 8-400 (442) W/AC.
                              Note: Service rad same as 879C service.
 881    3002347 orig eq; 3005347 service.
                            Olds F85 '65 8-330 W/heavy duty cooling.
 1033                       Note: B is heavy duty for A.
                            A. stpd 3006143 service same.
                               Toronado '66-67 W/O
AC                                               B. stpd 3005243 service
same.
                               Toronado '66-67 W/AC.
1034              Service 3005842.
                  Note: B & C fit A.  C is heavy duty for B.  A does not
fit others.
1035              Note: B & C fit. C is heavy duty for B. A does not fit
others.
                  A. stpd 30055740 std trans.
                     Olds F85 '66-67 8-330 std trans W/O AC.
                  B. stpd 3005741 AT.
                     Olds F85 '66-67 8-330 AT W/O AC.
                  C. stpd 3005749 AC.
                     Olds F85 '66-67 8-330 W/AC.
                     Note: 1036 B & C are service for A, B & C.
1036              Note: B & C fit A. C is heavy duty for B. A does not
fit others.
                  A. stpd 3005742 std trans.
                     Olds F85 '66 8-400 (442) std trans W/O AC.
                     Olds F85 '67 8-400 std trans W/O AC.
                  B. stpd 3007448 service same.
                     Olds F85 '66 8-400 (442) AT W/O AC.
                  C. stpd 3005745 service same.
                     Olds F85 '66 8-400 (442) W/AC.
                     Olds F85 '67 8-400 W/AC.
1072  3014719     17 x 20 3/4 x 1 1/4 W/or W/O oil cooler.
                  17 x 20 3/4 x 2 W/oil cooler.
1084  3014623     17 x 28 3/8 x 1 1/4 W/or W/O oil cooler.
                  17 x 28 3/8 x 2 W/or WO oil cooler.
                  Buick '70 8-350 heavy duty cooling.
                  Buick '70 8-350 exc heavy duty cooling.
                  Buick Special '70 heavy duty cooling exc AC.
                  Buick Special '70 exc heavy duty cooling.
                  Chevelle '68 6 cyl std trans AC & heavy duty cooling.
                  Chevelle '68 8-307 7 8-327 AC & heavy duty cooling.
                  Chevelle '68 8-396 std trans exc AC & heavy duty
cooling.
                  Chevelle '69-70 8-307 & 8-350 std trans AC & heavy
duty cooling.
                  Monte Carlo '70 8-350 std trans AC & heavy duty
cooling.
                  Monte Carlo '70 8-400 2BC AC & heavy duty cooling.
                  Olds F85 '68-69 6 cyl exc heavy duty cooling.
                  Olds F85 '70 6 cyl exc AC & havy duty cooling.
1085  3014609     17 x 28 3/8 x 1 1/4 W/or W/O oil cooler.
                  17 x 28 3/8 x 2 W/or W/O oil cooler.
                  Chevelle '68-69 8-396 AC & heavy duty cooling.
                  Chevelle '68-69 8-396 AT exc AC & heavy duty coling.
                  Olds '68.
                  Olds '69 heavy duty cooling.
                  Olds '69-70 8-455 AT exc heavy duty cooling.
1168  3014745     17 x 28 3/8 x 1 1/4 W/or W/O cooler.
                  17 x 28 3/8 x 2 W/cooler.
                  Olds F85 '68-69 8-400 exc AC & heavy duty cooling.
                  Olds F85 '68-70 6 cyl W/heavy duty cooling.
                  Olds F85 '68-70 8-350 exc heavy duty cooling.
                  Olds F85 '70 8-455 exc AC & heavy duty cooling.
1169  3017108     17 x 28 3/8 x 2 3/4 W/cooler.
                  Olds F85 '68-69 8-400 W/heavy duty cooling.
                  Olds F85 '68-69 8-400 W/AC exc heavy duty cooling.
                  Olds F85 '68-69 8-455 (Hurst).
                  Olds F85 '68-69 8-350 W/heavy duty cooling.
                  Olds F85 '70 8-455 W/heavy duty cooling.
                  Olds F85 '70 8-455 W/AC exc heavy duty cooling.
1170  3017184     17 x 34 x 1 1/4 W/cooler
                  Toronado '68 375 HP.
                  Toronado '69.
1171  3017185     17 x 34 x 1 1/4 W/cooler.
                  17 x 34 x 2 W/cooler.
                  Toronado '68 400 HP.
1366  3017915     Olds '69 8-350 exc heavy duty cooling.
                  olds '69 8-455 std trans exc heavy duty cooling.
1367  3021970     Olds '70 heavy duty cooling.
1368  3020543     Olds '70 8-350 exc heavy duty cooling.
                  Olds '70 8-455 std trans exc heavy duty cooling.
1381  3020534     Toronado '70 heavy duty cooling.
1382  3020533     Toronado '70 AC exc heavy duty cooling.
1383  3020532     Toronado '70 exc AC & heavy duty cooling.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 05:59:10 -0400
Subject: Re: TH350 > TH400 swap

Mike Frederick wrote:
>
> JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com wrote:
> >
> > besides, the Eclipse is front wheel drive...  ;)
> >                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >           You mean the Toro-heads haven't jumped all over this one
> >           yet?  I'm disappointed.
>
> Sorry, Joe, during yeaterday's message blizzard , it must have
> gotten by us.  Besides, I went to a junkyard where I discovered an
> extremely rare 360 degree V8.  All the pistons in one cylinder!   ;)
>
> <FWD>
> WHATAYA MEAN?  What's wrong with front wheel drive?
> </FWD>
>
> Better?
>
> The 66 Toro and Mike
>
> --
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>      Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>      (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

Mike,

That one must have been done for a GM VP as those guys are always going
around in circles anyway.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

PS. Why are they all called big wheels?  See above.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 05:55:51 -0400
Subject: Re: TH350 > TH400 swap

JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com wrote:
>
>
> I was thinking of putting it in the Eclipse, but then decided it would
be > better to put it in my Olds.  Probably fit with less hassle, and
besides, > the Eclipse is front wheel drive...  ;) >
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > >           You mean the Toro-heads haven't jumped
all over this one >           yet?  I'm disappointed. > >           Joe
Padavano > Joe, > > I thought about it, but where would you
put the driver after you put int the Toro unit?  Possibly the only
answer is just use the Toro  wiper motor - properly detuned to fit the
application.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:03:06 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Adding Gauges

(I wouldn't use a ton of sealing tape, though.)

          At the risk of starting another flame war (sort of like
          which way should the toilet paper come off the roll), I've
          found that 1 1/2 turns of teflon tape is more than adequate.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30




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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 04:10:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Toro identity please

Greg Kalkhoff wrote:
>
> Lloyd Culp wrote:
>
> > What is the condition of the "not so good" ones?  What cost is
> > involved?  I will need at least one.
>
> Well, not so good. I have rejected them for many reasons. Mostly
because they were curb > kissed. Therefore they are scratched, bent, or
some of the little turbo fins are busted > off. They are about as close
to junk as they get get. I suppose a guy who really knew > his onions
could rebuild them, but it prolly wouldn't be worth it. > > Sparky > >

Sparky,

I'll look at mine some.  I haven't actually looked at them in 15 years
as I had one that was bad at the beginning, took them off, stored them
on my wall, & put on '66 caps.  I believe that the outer clip on part is
bad as they had put screws in one to hold it on (Al ingoneer).  I'll try
looking today & get back to you on what is necessary to repair it.

Thanks for the offer.  I'll probably take you up on a piece of it.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 04:01:34 -0400
Subject: Re: *NON Olds* humor - (uncensored)

buehner wrote:
>
> It's that time of year, so I felt it my moral imperitive to try to
bring > smiles to the faces of ~most~ of the fellow Olds fans :)

 If you should attempt to reach Miss McCallister at Happy Dale
> >Sanitarium, the attendants have instructions to shoot you on sight.
With > >this letter, please find attached a warrant for your arrest. > > >
>-----------------------------------------------------------------------
--- > > > >       Charley Buehner Now that's the Christmas
spirit!

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 4 Dec 1996 03:55:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Ways to keep vandals off your car

Esko Ilola wrote:
>
> I started this thread to wake up discussion on car thefts in general
> and perhaps to get new ideas on how to keep those UWP:s
(UnWantedPersons) > off your vechile. > > One thing I noticed
immediately was that you guys want to hurt the > thief and hurt him bad. >
Too much hurting may just wake the devil demanding revenge. I think that >
a reasonable amount of fear is a good way to protect. > > > Would you
dare to step into a car that has a dog inside ? > > > The good thing
in wolfhound is that it is so friendly that the thief > has no room for
working under the dash. Instead he gets slicked slimy. > > > Does this
classify as a resto tip ? > -- >
********************************************** > * Esko Ilola



Esko,

It sounds like a prior-to-Resto Tip.  I like your attitude.  Measured
force & meeting the situation w/moderation usually produces the desired
effect.

Remember what Benjamin Franklinski said: "A g of prevention is worth a
kg of cure".

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:14:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Interchangable body parts

I know this thread is going back a ways but we have some new
developments at last. This is not an Olds thread per se so you may want
to bail right here, but since we left this issue hanging a while back, I
want to try and resolve it.

Previously I said:

ACG>>some company built a car where even the four doors would
>>interchange, LR with RF and RR with LF, thus keeping costs down with
>>only needing two die sets instead of four. I'm thinking it might have
>>been the Chrysler Airflow...?
[...]
>And you're getting away from GM, much less Oldsmobile; bad joss.
                                                            ^^^^
I am a Chinese idol? Heck, I didn't know they even _knew_ me.  ;-)

>Oh, yes, the car that I believe you are
>thinking about was the '41 Hupmobile Skylark.  It looks like it had
such >doors, and fenders too.  It started life as something else though,
maybe >the '37 Cord.

I sent the same question about the interchangeable-doors mystery car to
some people I know at Amos Press (Cars & Parts magazine, among others).
Cars & Parts scratched its collective head and sent word back that they
couldn't think of such a car. So then the January, 1997 issue arrives,
and there it is on pages 37 and 39: the Chrysler Airflow and Desoto
Airstream. Take a good look at the sedan doors.

So anyway, I have another message sent to Cars & Parts to ask them to
check with the author of the article (a multi-part series on Chrysler)
if possible and get back to me...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 04:21:42 -0400
Subject: Re: GM Quality and Rust

     I agree that this is a weak spot, however I think it's more due to
the
     road salt than the weather.  Both my '79 I had and my '84 show no
     signs of rust, other than slight surface rust on the frame, which I

     consider normal.  They've both lived their lives up here in Eastern

     Washington and N. Idaho, where we get almost as much snow as the
     midwest.  But they don't use road salt here.  Just plowing, the
     occasional sanding of trouble spots, and studded tires.  My '79 was

     owned by a family member and I know it was usually garaged, but it
was
     driven winters and never taken care of (always dirty, never waxed,
     spotty maintenance).  I had both door panels off once, and the
insides
     of the doors both looked fine.  My '84 H/O (I'm told) was always
     garaged by the previous owner and never saw rain or snow.

     In addition, strolling through the many junkyards here I can see
     plenty of examples of rust-free doors and frames to support my
     conclusion.  In fact, it's easier to find one without rust than
with.
     Granted, this is just from external apperances.  I don't go around
     taking door panels off to check the rust inside just for fun
though,
     and I don't enjoy crawling in the mud to look at frames. . .  But
if
     anyone is planning to visit this area for boneyard trips, I'll be
     happy to do some scouting.

     They just started using a liquid de-ice compound on some of the
major
     arterials in the city.  They say this is only 10% as corrosive as
     salt, but that's still too much for me.  There's a lot of lobbying
     going on by the local car clubs to get rid of it.  I hope they/we
can
     do it.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com


______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: GM Quality Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    12/2/96 4:49 PM

frame no longer existed on the car.  It is rare to find a car with
decent doors or rear quarters. My 442 is from Arizona and the doors
show that. They are spotless after 16 years. Now my 442 has been in
Ohio 3 years and already has alot of frame surface rust. The previous
owner says that the frame was clean when he brought it up here. Gotta
love what midwest weather can do to a G-body! - - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu) 93
Z/28......Patriot Red, A4, G92(3.23), Lic. Plate: "1FST93Z" 80 4-4-2
W-30 75 Hurst/Olds W-25



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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:58:23 -0400
Subject: Re[3]: GM Transmissions

Oopps, this should have gone out last week . . .

Here, here!  Great FAQ material.  Speaking of which, a laser printed
copy of the HTML FAQ I am working on looks great!  Printed it on a
duplex printer and wow!  Diligently working to release it soon!

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
Olds FAQ 2.0 at: http://www.en.com/users/thall/
                 ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- -----------
          I just wanted to thank Steve Ochs for his posts on GM
          transmissions.  This type of technical data is great.
          Please keep it up.

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:45:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Adding Gauges

At 10:18 AM 12/3/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hate to bring this up again so soon, but I have a question related to
>the discussion last week regarding gauges.
>
>I just ordered Oil Pressure and Water Temp gauges for my 442 and
>now am looking at how to install them.  Someone last week mentioned
>that to use the new Oil Pressure sender while keeping the idiot light
>one should buy a 2" pipe and a T-fitting, and make sure to wrap the
>threads in teflon tape.  Two questions:
>
>1>  Wouldnt the teflon tape act as an insulator, thus rendereing the
>ground path for the senders useless?  If so, is there conductive
>pipe thread compound available?
>
>2>  Do I need to also buy the Olds special 45 degree elbow, or will
>the gauge sender (which is rather beefy) clear the waterpump/block
>assuming 2" extension and a T-fitting?
>
>Bonus round>  Should I be using the cast iron pipe and T's I found
>at the local hardware store, or should I keep looking for brass pipe
>and connectors?
>
>-Jeff
>jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
>
>1970 442  4-Speed
>

1. The Teflon tape should not inhibit the electrical path.  The sharp
corner of the thread will usually cut thru, and touch the female threads
positively.  The Teflon is worth the bother, because of the leak
potential that it eliminates.

2. I can't help you here without seeing the problem!

Bonus Q.: Do not use galvinized pipe, always black in petroleum service.
The oil will eventually wash the galvinize off, and choke tight places
with the flakes.  All the fittings I've ever seen for use in these
applications were either 1/8" NPT or 1/4" NPT, and I'm sure that cast
iron fittings in these small sizes are rarer than hens teeth, and there
is no c.i. pipe this small at all.  It is surely steel.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 12:47:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Adding Gauges

At 10:18 AM 12/3/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Hate to bring this up again so soon, but I have a question related to
>the discussion last week regarding gauges.
>
>I just ordered Oil Pressure and Water Temp gauges for my 442 and
>now am looking at how to install them.  Someone last week mentioned
>that to use the new Oil Pressure sender while keeping the idiot light
>one should buy a 2" pipe and a T-fitting, and make sure to wrap the
>threads in teflon tape.  Two questions:
>
>1>  Wouldnt the teflon tape act as an insulator, thus rendereing the
>ground path for the senders useless?  If so, is there conductive
>pipe thread compound available?
>
>2>  Do I need to also buy the Olds special 45 degree elbow, or will
>the gauge sender (which is rather beefy) clear the waterpump/block
>assuming 2" extension and a T-fitting?
>
>Bonus round>  Should I be using the cast iron pipe and T's I found
>at the local hardware store, or should I keep looking for brass pipe
>and connectors?
>
>-Jeff
>jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
>
>1970 442  4-Speed
>
>
The water temp. situation is much like the oil pressure, just the
hardware can be a bit bigger.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:13:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Grade 8 nuts/ Taboo topic

Purchased some grade 8 hardware at the Farm & Fleet store (a WI, IA, IL,
MN, ID thing) over the weekend - 2.49/lb for all grade 8 fasteners -
made by "Rockford".  Grade 5 also available, I think 1.99/lb.  I
remember the price for grade 8 stuff was higher from a local fastener
company.

In my post about a week ago I came on pretty strong about the original
grade 8 vs. save a buck topic, but I've seen safety poo pooed quite a
bit, and a number of "we should have"s muttered afterward.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
Olds FAQ 2.0 at: http://www.en.com/users/thall/
                 ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 04:51:45 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: GM Quality

     Having a two-tone silver and black car ('84 H/O), I think I can say

     that I'm having _no_ problems with the black paint.  After touching
up
     the rock chips, the black paint still looks wonderful.  The silver
     paint is holding up, quite well for a 13 year old car, but far from

     perfect, especially on the hood and roof where there are faded
spots.
     I think that the base coat/clear coat combo that they used went a
long
     way to preserve the silver.  When waxing or washing the car, paint
     does not come off onto the applicator.  If it ever does, I know my
     clearcoat is gone.

     I had a friend with a new silver K-car that she had repainted,
under
     warranty, once _every_year_ until the warranty expired then she
sold
     it.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: GM Quality Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    12/2/96 5:19 PM

Especially black?  Try especially silver.  Have you ever seen a silver
GM car that was more than a day and a half old where the paint still
looked as it should.  It washes off the car at the first rain; and
looks like hell in the first week; and yes they con't do well with
black either.  I wonder how Mercedes-Benz keeps the silver on their
cars, and GM can't.

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:20:11 -0400
Subject: 72 350 was: Re:

There has been some disagreement about whether E or F heads are suitable
 for unleaded (eg. have induction hardened seats).  What is your source
of info about the F heads, and is there anything else you can tell us
about determining whether a head is suitable for unleaded.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
Olds FAQ 2.0 at: http://www.en.com/users/thall/
                 ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- -----------
Okay, I'll start over...
I have a 72 Olds 350 2bbl/with TH400. This engine has type F heads
meaning that it is suitable for unleaded fuel.  What other differences
are there in this 72 motor to the 69-70 350's that would cause a 60 to
90 horsepower loss for same engine.

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:20:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Adding Gauges

>The water temp. situation is much like the oil pressure, just
>the hardware can be a bit bigger.

True, but (at the risk of stating the obvious) you cannot tee a
temperature sender and idiot light temperature switch in the same
manner as you can a _pressure_ sender and _pressure_ switch. All
sensors measuring temperature must be immersed in the coolant
flow; you can't stick them at opposite ends of a small tee fitting.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 13:43:50 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: 1990 oldsmobile cutless fuel pump question

Amen!  The worst I've seen was on a M'rustang.  Filter was packed with
what looked like mud and metal filings!  Dumping the fuel out of the
filter looked like a science experiment.  Needless to say, the pump
lived a bit easier and longer, but still needed replacement.  That and
always running the tank to near empty killed the pump.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
Olds FAQ 2.0 at: http://www.en.com/users/thall/
                 ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- --------------
So often I hear of people burning up pumps, but don't check one thing:
The fuel filter.  If that thing starts plugging up, the pump has to work
twice as hard to overcome it, and often leads to premature failure.  I
think some have regulation before the filter, but most don't.  I'm not
sure about the Olds, but it's something to keep in mind if you're eating
pumps.

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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