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oldsmobile-digest        Wednesday, 16 October 1996     Volume 01 : Number 332


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From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:12:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Toro Question, plus rear disc brakes

>      On another subject (that bandwidth y'know), I just heard a rumor that 
>      some late 70's Caddy's (perhaps the Fleetwood?) were loosely based on 
>      the G-body frame and could be caniballized for disc rear brakes.  Any 
>      Cadillac experts here?  Might be worth poking around at the boneyard 
>      next time I'm there. . .

Tom, sorry for this late response... I still have a ton of Olds mail to go
through!  1977-79 Fleetwoods have 11" rear disc brakes as standard
equipment.  As far as I can tell, the same rear axle assembly is used in
drum and disc brake models (8-3/4" ring gear).  I believe that rear disc
brake models had a different brake line size, combination valve, and
master cylinder.  1977-79 Sevilles also had rear discs, but they were
attached to a smaller rear axle (8-1/2" ring gear).  Make sure that the
parking brake ratchet mechanism (which is internal) is functioning; it is
quite expensive to rebuild these calipers.  The rear track is 60.7" for
Fleetwoods, and 59.0" for the Seville.  Rear disc brakes on rear drive
models was discontinued for 1980.  More recently, 1994 and up Ch*v Impalas
and 9C1 equipped Caprices have rear disc brakes.  This design uses an
aluminum caliper, and a separate parking brake mechanism within the
rotor.  '77-'78 Buick Rivieras had rear discs as an option.  I think this
covers all B/C-body and 1st gen. K-body rear disc brake usage.

Kevin Wong 

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 01:00:58 -0300
Subject: Re[4]: vacuum operated heater valve  

     
Oh, goody! We need to elevate this to a flamewar. 

     Just don't use the BI-LEVEL setting.....
     
Yes, I'm a firm believer in throwing more microprocessors at the problem 
until it does what you want it to do.  :-)

     Yeah, let's run right out and buy all those Craftsman power tools with 
     the digital readouts.  They _must_ be more accurate :)
     
     Joe Padavano
     jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
     
     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30
     

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:57:24 -0300
Subject: Re: '67 442 questions.... 

He then proceeds to ask me if I think its real, because he's never 
heard of a '67 442, nobody he talked to knew of a pre-68 442, 
couldn't find it in his book of cars, etc.

          He obviously needs to get a new book...that wouldn't be the 
          Camaro Craft book of cars, would it ;)?

After I make believe I know a little something about 442s, and tell 
him the '66es have tri-power (he seemed to think was in GTOs only), 
he pops the hood.  Hmmm, correct gold peeeking out in a few places, 
oil around the valve covers (a complete shock to all of us - right?), 
and a 442 sticker on the valve cover stating 400ci, 350 hp, premium 
fuel only. 

          So far so good for a 67.

Black fender liners and no ductwork from between the headlights.  

          Not that you were really surprized by this...

<snip>
     
He then asked me if I knew anything about a Climate Control  
carb.  The air cleaner had an odd shape (similar to a horseshoe) with 
openings on both sides.  Had a sticker that said Command Climate 
Control or something like that.  What is that?  Is it standard on the 
'67?  Or is it a California thing?

          This is the Turnpike Cruiser option.  Basically a 400 ci 442 
          motor with a 2 bbl (!?) carb and an air cleaner designed to heat 
          the intake charge (by drawing air from a stove around the exhaust 
          manifold) to assure complete atomization of the fuel.  Sort of 
          anti-OAI.  Note that while most cars have the familiar sheet 
          metal hot air stove and duct leading to the air cleaner, this is 
          normally only used for the initial warm-up.  The Turnpike Cruiser 
          air cleaner actually sucked this heated air _most_ of the time!  
          A well-intended but unfortunately misguided attempt by Oldsmobile 
          to improve the fuel economy.  It's relatively rare, and for a 
          good reason.
     
After a few more minutes of looking at the car, and some oddities 
like a ton of some gunk around the front and rear windows where the 
vinyl top meets, 

          As in troweled-on silicone sealer?

I plug Bryce's web page and the list, and he departed.
     
As I watched the exhaustless car leave the gas station, the thought 
of he just bought the car involuntarly for what he figured was $600 
and would probably have parted with it since he _really_ wanted the 
LeMans entered my mind.  What do you think?  Should I have offered 
him $600 for the car?  I have a general idea of where he lives, and 
may be able to find the car if it may be worth the effort.  The 
thought that I may have missed a good opportunity is sorta bugging 
me.  What do you think?

          It certainly meets my criteria, which is a V-8 of at least 
          400 cid, mounted north-south and driving the rear wheels.  
          In fact, Mike, I think it would be most appropriate for 
          you to buy this car, as it was a 67 442 used in the Olds 
          ads to compare to the late model quad 442.  You may recall 
          that the ad claimed that the Q422 could outrun the 67 442 
          (which presumably _was_ Your Father's Oldsmobile) in the 
          quarter mile (or maybe it was 0-60).  I've always felt 
          that the Turnpike Cruiser was the only 67 442 for which 
          that would be true!

     
Thanks.
     
Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442


          You're welcome.  And please don't take that last crack seriously.
          
          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
          
          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30
     

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 01:12:32 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Ignition Switch Question 

At 09:22 AM 10/14/96 -0300, you wrote:
>The ignition switch is pretty shot (I can pull the key out in any position)
     
I think that's how they were made back then.  You can take out the key even 
with the engine running (in the ON position).  My '69 is the same way, and 
my father-in-law told me it's always been like that.  

        Sorry, Dave (wow...2001 flashback just then), but the "pull the 
        key out with the engine running" trick ended in the early 
        sixties due to rising auto theft.  I distinctly remember my 
        uncle's 63 Chebby Impala SS convert (4 spd, even!), which _did_ 
        have this feature, but I can't say I've ever seen it on any 
        newer car (at least, not one without a well-worn key and/or 
        switch).  None of my cars currently allow me to remove the key.  
        In fact, I've owned a total of 11 Cutlass/442s from the 65-72 
        timeframe and none allowed me to pull out the key with the 
        engine running.

        Joe Padavano
        jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
        
        66 442
        68 W-30
        69 H/O
        70 W-30
     

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From: OLDSPWR@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:35:53 -0300
Subject: NHRA Battery Box Specs...(not directly OIds related) 

Recently Scott Mullen asked a question about battery boxes, and I figured I
would send the response directly to the Olds list.  This past Sunday, at the
Rallye 350 (Oldsmobile Performance Sunday) Show, a majority of the Olds guys
raced.  Everything was raced from late model 442's and Hurst's to restored 72
442 convertibles, etc.... So I figured this info might help some of you guys
out....

3 weeks ago I got gigged at Island Dragway in Great Meadows NJ about how my
battery was reolcated into the trunk.  When I moved the battery to the trunk
a little over 5 years ago, I put in a plastic marine case.  I mounted the
case with 2 90 deg. brackets bolted to both the floor and case.  The tech
inspector then informed me that per 1996 regs, if the car did NOT have a rear
metal firewall (between the rear seat and the trunk), that the battery had to
be in a metal enclosed sealed box with a vent to the outside of the car.
 This box was to be mounted DIRECTLY TO THE FRAME with a minimum of (2) 3/8"
bolts that ran down from the strap that secures the battery.  I do not have
the 96 book in front of me, but it specifies both the minimum gage's of steel
and aluminum that the box can be made of.

The NHRA regs also state that a battery disconnect switch is recommend, but
if the battery is relocated in the trunk that it is mandatory, and it should
be located in a rear body panel, like a tail light, etc... Since I did not
want to mount if right in a panel, I mounted mine under the bumper at a 45
deg angle so you could see it if you stood back from the car a little.  The
tech inspector told me what I just stated above, but said it was OK.  On a
side note, I recently called for street machine insurance for my 79 Cutlass
and one of the first questions they asked me was if I had a disconnect
switch.  So having one is a good idea, and it can give you peace of mind when
you a not with the car....

I hope this helps, and sorry for taking so long for replying....
Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com
79 Cutlass -> Street/Strip/Show 
86 442 -> Summer Driver 
79 Cutlass -> Winter Bomb
 

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From: OLDSPWR@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:36:06 -0300
Subject: Re: G-body frame swap question 

Jason:  G body frames are the same from 78 to 88.  So your 87 frame will fit
under you 83.  It's alot of work, but I think its worth it.  Eventually I
will be putting a new frame under my 79, so I have an idea what to do.  About
10 years ago, I restored a 64 Ch*vy Impala SS Convert. with my father (Hey,
you have to start somewhere!).  To pull the body off the frame, after
disconnecting all the mounts etc, we slowly jacked the front of the car up
and slide a 4x4 between the body and the frame.  The 4x4 was about 3 feet
longer than the width of the car.  We then did this to the rear of the car,
and then went back to the front.  We then proceeded to put 4 cinder blocks
under the 4 corners of the car.  They were far apart enough to roll the frame
out from under the car and roll it back under while we were working on it.
 The car sat like this for 4 years.  It saved alot of room in the garage.

As for the G body, you can easily identify the body mounts under car.  But
beware, they are probably rusted pretty good.  So if you plan on removing
them, start shooting them with WD-40 now....   You should probably pick up a
set on new rubber body mounts too since the old ones will be worn out and dry
rotted.

Hope this helped....
Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com
79 Cutlass -> Street/Strip/Show 
86 442 -> Summer Driver 
79 Cutlass -> Winter Bomb

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From: OLDSPWR@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 00:36:03 -0300
Subject: Dick Miller's Newsletter... 

In response to the question pertaining to Dick Miller's newsletter:
Dick puts out a newsletter every other month. The first year is free and
after that he wants $10 a year.  I think that is pretty steep considering it
is only a few pages long.  But it does consist of Olds perfomance info, like
direct port fuel injection, and tech tips etc, so it might be worth it.  

Here's the address:
2374 Windemere Drive
Jackson MI, 49202-1236
Ph: 1 517 782 2012
Fax: 1 517 782 2232

BTW: At Island Dragway in NJ two weeks ago I heard a rumor that Dick is no
longer affiliated with Mondello due to a dispute at the Mondello Nationals in
Norwalk OH.  I don't know if this is true though.  Can anybody veryify?????

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From: "rebelxs" <rebelxs@cadvision.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 01:39:39 -0300
Subject: Re: '67 442 questions....

Hey Dave... If that 67 442 doesn't turn your crank my neighbor has a 67 442
four speed  for sale ??????

- ----------
> From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: '67 442 questions....
> Date: Monday, October 14, 1996 1:34 PM
> 
> At 11:17 AM 10/14/96 -0300, you wrote:
> >Over the weekend, I stopped at the local gas-n-go to fill-up the 
> >wife's car.  As I pulled in, I noticed a goldish mid-60's Cutlass, 
> >and parked at the pump next to it. 442 emblem on the trunk, with a CS 
> >also.
> 
> I have a picture of the "famous Lutz & Lundberg Olds 442" (I've never
heard
> of it before...).  It shows the rear of the car, and on the trunk lid is
a
> 442 emblem (on the right, by the taillight), and a CS emblem over the
trunk
> lock.
> 
> >Driver comes out of the service station, and I pose the question -- 
> >is it a '66?  With tri-power?  Nope, itsa '67.  He then proceeds to 
> >ask me if I think its real, because he's never heard of a '67 442, 
> >nobody he talked to knew of a pre-68 442, couldn't find it in his 
> >book of cars, etc.  
> 
> 442's were first offered in 1964 as the B-09 option.  The 442 option was
> only available on the Cutlass Supreme in 1967.
> 
> >As I watched the exhaustless car leave the gas station, the thought 
> >of he just bought the car involuntarly for what he figured was $600 
> >and would probably have parted with it since he _really_ wanted the 
> >LeMans entered my mind.  What do you think?  Should I have offered 
> >him $600 for the car?  
> 
> Yup; make sure it's a real 442. 
> 
> >I have a general idea of where he lives, and 
> >may be able to find the car if it may be worth the effort.  The 
> >thought that I may have missed a good opportunity is sorta bugging 
> >me.  What do you think?
> 
> I'd hunt him down and make an offer...
> --
> Dave Paulison                  1969 Cutlass Supreme  
> Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
> dpauliso@gate.net
> 
> 

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 01:23:06 -0300
Subject: Re: yet another Olds in the movies 

While I did enjoy the movie - Perfect World - I also saw it like 4 times in
a short period of time when HBO was running it to death - I usually ID cars
out of habit, and for some reason I dont recall seeing enough to peg that
one.....just that old age thing creeping up I guess -
Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/lisa.htm

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From: "Brian Lorway" <blorway@rust.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 01:11:09 -0300
Subject: Re: John Rock to retire

I heard this on the radio this morning on the way to work... It was also
mentioned that Oldsmobile is struggling with their image and that the
average Oldsmobile owner is 60 years of age. If Oldsmobile and GM wants to
tap into a younger buyer market why don't they use their long list of
success in racing. I haven't once saw an Aurora TV commercial with Irv
Hoerr or Darin Brassfield blowing the doors off a Viper... Instead they
show some idiot on a couch spinning in space with an Aurora. How about
showing Wayne Taylor's WSC Oldsmobile powered machine leaving a Ferrari in
the dust? or when Olds was heavy into drag racing did you ever see Warren
Johnson give a plug for the Cutlass? Nope, Nope and Nope. But you'll see
plenty of good' ol boys yapp'in about how great the Monte Carlo is. It's
all very frustrating if you ask me. Comments?

Regards,
Brian

p.s. Irv Hoerr and Darin Brassfield finished the season one, two in IMSA
GTS-1 with the Aurora. Wayne Taylor also won the WSC class this year
besting the likes of Ferrari, Ford and Chevrolet. Check out IMSA's site
http://www.imsaracing.com/html/imsa.racing.html

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 01:21:31 -0300
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass SX Convertable for sale 

I can top you Tim - I used my twins as an *excuse* to buy that Vista Cruiser
I'd been wanting for years.....

Didnt have money then - still dont have it now - barely have the time
but......what the heck - it keeps me SANE (twins + 3 others...)

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/lisa.htm

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:15:00 -0300
Subject: New Oldsmobile Symbol

Hey all,

(I'm bracing for the responses on this one)

Honestly, what do you think about the new Oldsmobile symbol that is 
replacing the Rocket?

Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 01:41:18 -0300
Subject: Re: '67 442 questions.... 

At 01:39 AM 10/15/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Hey Dave... If that 67 442 doesn't turn your crank my neighbor has a 67 442
>four speed  for sale ??????

Well, I didn't make the original post about that '67; I wasn't the one who
saw it.  However, I am interested in that '67 442 of your neighbors.  Tell
me more...
- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Cutlass Supreme  
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 01:51:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Vista-Cruiser parts needed (*sigh*) 

Greg - since he's closer to you I'll just post the info for Richard Glista
in Canada - like I mentioned when I talked to him on the phone he had 5-6
'70-'72's on hand approx.  It's Richard's Rocket Ranch - Box 762, Bradford
Ontario L3Z2B3 for mail & phone is 416/775-OLDS.

And I cannot imagine anyone miss seeing a V-C - a car I used to call a
"Ocean Liner on Land".

Hope you get her back in shape (literally) soon -

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/lisa.htm

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From: kdporter@midwest.net (kdporter)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 01:55:11 -0300
Subject: Re: A Rallye 350?

 i thank what you have there is a f-85 club coupe,i have a cutlass s rallye
the vin's are real close.check for stripe remains around the door jams also
lift the package tray up see if its yellow.it seems as the factory went
crazy painting these cars,sebring yellow everywhere,even under the headliner
on my car.the bumper is nothing more than a thick paint with no finish under
it.sounds like you need to jump on that car 

- ----------------

>
>Went back to check on that '70 OAI aircleaner that everyone seems to 
>have taken quite an interest in. Got to looking a bit closer at the car 
>whose trunk the aircleaner lived in (remember? a 70 post coupe), and....
>
>What's this? The rear bumper *does* have the 442 exhaust cutouts. 
>Duhhhh... How could I have overlooked this before? Hey, it's painted in 
>primer just like the rest of the car. Wait, the corner is showing... 
>Yellow paint underneath!
>
>Hmm, let's open the hood and take a look at what *used* to be the engine
>compartment (engine long gone, Ch*vy motor mounts in place, Ch*vy 
>sticker on windshield, even). The hood is that same yellow on the 
>inside!
>
>Waddya know, the trim tag was still there on this one:
>
>    BODY BY FISHER
>ST70 33277LAN390951 BDY
>TR 900          - - PNT
>   03B
>
>VIN # 332770M390161
>
>Interesting paint code, eh? Thought I remembered seeing something about
>the Sebring Yellow Rallye 350's having the - - paint code. Yes?
>
>This one had manual brakes, no power steering... Basically all the
>stuff I was hoping to find in that W31!
>
>So, a quick look at the handy production charts in Year One's catalog
>tells me that if it's a Cutlass Rallye 350 Post Coupe, it'd be one 
>of oh, 160. 
>
>Anyone seen a real Rallye 350 bumper before? This one seemed metallic
>to the touch, not some thick latexy coating like I expected the Endura
>to be... Never seen the real thing, so don't know.
>
>Now I gotta get ahold of the owner and try to secure this car!
>
>-Darren Shroeger
> '68 442 / 4-spd / 68 455 
> '80 GP Parts Runner / 350 Olds
>
>
>


kdporter
kdporter@midwest.net

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Mon, 14 Oct 1996 23:20:00 -0300
Subject: 4-4-2 Pictures

Glenn,

The pictures are on their way.  I mailed them out this morning, so you 
should receive them in the next few days.  I don't think the mail service 
was operating today (Columbus day), so I would anticipate an extra day 
delay.

Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 02:03:32 -0300
Subject: Brakes again 

Well, I still need help with my brakes.  Here's the latest.  I have replaced
the vacuum booster twice, master cylinder twice, and all four wheel
cylinders.  All brake shoes are new, as well as the brake hardware (springs,
adjusters, etc) and all four drums have been turned and the brakes are
properly adjusted.  All rubber brake lines have been replaced (one for each
side on the front, and one going to the rear axle from the chassis).  I took
out the differential valve (the part that activates the brake light in the
dash) and cleaned it out.  All passages in it were open and there was no
visible rust/corrosion on the interior.  Re-installed it and bled the
system, using Castrol GT/LMA brake fluid.  Bleeding was quite normal; no
excessive pedal pressure was required to bleed anything (which would, I
assume, indicate no blockages).  The only things remaining which have not
been replaced are the steel brake lines and the differential valve.  Pedal
still requires excessive force to apply the brakes.  Could a line blockage
(from rust?) cause this?  Should I replace the steel lines?  That is all I
can think of.  Does anybody else have any ideas?  I'm baffled...

Thanks in advance, folks.
- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Cutlass Supreme  
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 05:25:16 -0300
Subject: Re: New Oldsmobile Symbol

jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com wrote:
> 
> Honestly, what do you think about the new Oldsmobile symbol that is
> replacing the Rocket?

Sucks.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 07:30:39 -0300
Subject: RE: Breaks again

This is just a wild guess.

Since You have replaced almost everything from
the vacuum-booster on, I would like to think that
the failure is not there.

One reason for stone-hard brake-pedal is missing
or insufficient vacuum. Ever tried to stop Your
car after the motor stalled? I think this is one
of the reasons why there is room for two feet on
Your brake-pedal.

To check this out is very simple.
Just disconnect the vacuum line and start the
motor. If it is doing allright, then You should
be able to HEAR the hiss. Block the hose end
with Your finger and check that Your hose does
not collapse.

The vacuum tube might also be too flexible and
could therefore be sucked flat thus not passing
the vacuum.
- -- 
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From: Robert Myers <habs33@jtasd.k12.pa.us>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 04:39:22 -0300
Subject: Interior ?

I have a 70 Cutlass Supreme and I would like to get rid of the wood 
grain interior. Is their an interior from another Old's that would 
work? Or do I have to get it done professionally? I had the instrament 
bezel and transmissions bezel machined out of aluminum. And I removed 
the wood decals from the dash and used aluminum tape in it's place( it 
looks really good with the ralley wheel I have to put in)And 
suggestions would be helpful.

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 09:50:07 -0300
Subject: Re: '67 442 questions....

> From mikec@oz.kis.net Mon Oct 14 13:53:41 1996
<Snip>
> 
> Driver comes out of the service station, and I pose the question -- 
> is it a '66?  With tri-power?  Nope, itsa '67.  He then proceeds to 
> ask me if I think its real, because he's never heard of a '67 442, 

Oh, they exist.  I've a copy of the Year One catalog for Cutlasses, and
it has a picture of a '67 442 right on the cover.

> As I watched the exhaustless car leave the gas station, the thought 
> of he just bought the car involuntarly for what he figured was $600 
> and would probably have parted with it since he _really_ wanted the 
> LeMans entered my mind.  What do you think?  Should I have offered 
> him $600 for the car?  I have a general idea of where he lives, and 
> may be able to find the car if it may be worth the effort.  The 
> thought that I may have missed a good opportunity is sorta bugging 
> me.  What do you think?

Go back, and buy it.  Now.  Leave work, etc, git to an ATM, get $$$,
and purchaseth it :)
 

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:01:56 -0300
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass SX Convertable for sale

> From jht@exo.com Tue Oct 15 00:29:08 1996

> I can top you Tim - I used my twins as an *excuse* to buy that Vista Cruiser
> I'd been wanting for years.....

I used 'em as an excuse for the two Caddys, as I failed in my attempt
to justify the purchase of a new Bravada :)

> 
> Didnt have money then - still dont have it now - barely have the time
> but......what the heck - it keeps me SANE (twins + 3 others...)
                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Twins *plus* 3 others??? You're right, you've topped me :)

P.S.  If they're fraternal twins, like mine, you're chances of twinning again
      have improved from 1 in 80 to 1 in 10 (which explains what I say in
      my tag line below) :)
> 
> Lisa Madsen
> 





Tim ( Snip - Snip ) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, nickname yet to be determined
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: Katana72@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:02:28 -0300
Subject: Re: New Oldsmobile Symbol 

It seems to me that it's still the "Rocket" symbol, just modernized. I"m not
sure I like it, but in keeping with e times, I just don"t know.

Katana72            It's NOT your daddy's Oldsmobile !!!!!!!!
       Hastings, MN

------------------------------

From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:03:54 -0300
Subject: Re: New Oldsmobile Symbol

> From edison3@cpeq.com Tue Oct 15 06:25:09 1996

> jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com wrote:
> > 
> > Honestly, what do you think about the new Oldsmobile symbol that is
> > replacing the Rocket?
> 
> Sucks.
> 
> The 66 Toro and Mike

Well, at least it's *still* a rocket.  Sorta.  If you squint
and jiggle your head while lookin' at it.



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, nickname yet to be determined
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: Dennis Sytsma <dsytsma@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:16:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Another Question

what year? 2 or 4 barrel carb?
for example 1970 l33 2 barrel is 320 hp at 4200 rpm
no idea about heads.
suggest you conatct cutter products in fort lauderdale, fl
they make a bolt on fuel injection system for older cars and marine 
engines for maximum horsepower.  I saw it at the miami boat show last 
year. looked real clean for someone with a large bank account.  this 
would not be for someone who wants to restore a olds to orginal 
conditions for a show.


Dennis Sytsma
dsytsma@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us


On Mon, 14 Oct 1996, Dana Taylor wrote:

> Ok now for a couple of more stupid questions reguarding my 455. What is a 
> guesstimate of HP rating. and second What other heads could i put on it 
> for increased HP.	
>  Thanks
> 
> 

------------------------------

From: Dennis Sytsma <dsytsma@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:34:12 -0300
Subject: Re: New Oldsmobile Symbol

Hello;
I'm new here so excuse this question, how do I post a message here for 
all to read?  what adress do I use?

I am a member of OCA and Olds club of florida OCF.  OCF is getting its e 
mail efforts started so send me something on the subject to publish in 
OCF's newletter if you can enlightn other's of internet and e mail 
efforts to support our hobby

I own a 1970 olds 98LS family owned since new.  Also have a 1977 olds 
vista ars run well.  both need major body work.  The 98 is very resorable 
with cold air.

I live in Homestead Florida

I
email me  dsystma@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

Dennis Sytsma
dsytsma@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us


On Tue, 15 Oct 1996, Timothy A. Churchill wrote:

> 
> > From edison3@cpeq.com Tue Oct 15 06:25:09 1996
> 
> > jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > Honestly, what do you think about the new Oldsmobile symbol that is
> > > replacing the Rocket?
> > 
> > Sucks.
> > 
> > The 66 Toro and Mike
> 
> Well, at least it's *still* a rocket.  Sorta.  If you squint
> and jiggle your head while lookin' at it.
> 
> 
> 
> Tim Churchill
> -------------
> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
> '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, nickname yet to be determined
> '91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
> 

------------------------------

From: Gary Green <ggreen@ftn.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 10:39:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Fall Hershey, Part 1 

>> Is there someone in the Hershey area who can give me the weather forcast
>for
>>  Friday and Saturday Oct 11-12.
  
>Guess this it too late for you, as it's 7:30 Friday evening.  Sorry for the
>delay.  I got home from Hershey Thursday nite around 10 and was in bed by
>10:30, I was beat.  Didn't take time to read my mail.  Anyway, weather should
>be fine until Tuesday, 60's temps.  And the mud is almost dry!  Hope you had
>a good trip.  Next year let me know ahead of time and we'll meet up
>somewhere.
>
>Paul
>Hersheypark Happy!

Paul
Thanks for the forcast.  Next year I will post the request earlier.  Had a
good trip.  Hershey was fantastic, as usual.  I also spotted the Olds
simulated woody wagon on the field.  Owner said he had only ever seen 2 others.

Gary

------------------------------

From: bryceman@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:26:25 -0300
Subject: '70 & '71 Moldings 

Greetings everyone. Can anyone tell me if the body side moldings are same
for 70 and 71 Cutlasses? They look the same to me.

           Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
            Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:34:57 -0300
Subject: Re: A Rallye 350? 

Nice find!  Hope it checks out.  And you get a boat anchor in the deal!

David Brown          OCA #27978         (312) 702-9157
    Check out: www.442.com      www.oldsmobile.com
               FAQ version 2.0 due soon!

- --------------------
Wow,
<snip>
Hmm, let's open the hood and take a look at what *used* to be the engine
compartment (engine long gone, Ch*vy motor mounts in place, Ch*vy 
sticker on windshield, even). The hood is that same yellow on the 
inside!
<snip>
So, a quick look at the handy production charts in Year One's catalog
tells me that if it's a Cutlass Rallye 350 Post Coupe, it'd be one 
of oh, 160. 
<snip>
- -Darren Shroeger
 '68 442 / 4-spd / 68 455 
 '80 GP Parts Runner / 350 Olds

------------------------------

From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 07:41:18 -0300
Subject: Re: New Oldsmobile Symbol

> > Honestly, what do you think about the new Oldsmobile symbol that is
> > replacing the Rocket?

I thought I read somewhere that the new symbol is only for use during 
the 100th anniversary celebration, and that Olds was going to return 
to the rocket symbol at some point afterwards.  Anyone else read or 
hear this?


Dan


 
***********************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
Athens, Ohio
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Convertible
***********************************************

------------------------------

From: tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:52:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Ignition Switch Question

> > The ignition switch is pretty shot (I can pull the key out 
> > in any position)
> 
> I think that's how they were made back then.  You can take out 
> the key even with the engine running (in the ON position).  
> My '69 is the same way, and my father-in-law told me it's always 
> been like that.  He bought the car in '71 as the second owner, 
> and I can't imagine the tumbler/key was very worn back then.  

My '69 does this as well.  I'd always just attributed it to
the shape of the key.  It looks something like this --

                    __________
                    |        |
     _______________|        | 
     |___                    |
         \______          /\ |
                \___      \/ |
                    |        |
                    |        |
                    ----------

So there's really nothing for the lock to "grab" hold of and 
keep the key in there...  As opposed to say, 

                    __________
                    |        |
     _______________|        | 
     |_     _   _            |
       \   / \_/ \        /\ |
        \_/       \_      \/ |
                    |        |
                    |        |
                    ----------

Which would have some "teeth" that the lock pins could
hold in place.

I also had an 81 Cherkoee jeep that was the same way (I still miss 
that truck).  I found out that the key would come out of that lock 
one day making a hard left hand turn.  Fortunatly for me the keys 
hit the passenger's door just below the open window instead of 
just above... :)

- - Travis and the 69 olds 98 convertible aka "Tiny"
- --
Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:32:06 -0300
Subject: Re: The W31 

It looks like a fake, like someone said, a possibly restamped, missing cowl 
tag, numbers matching W31.  Too bad.  I think he leveled to the next plane 
of bull**** at it's a "$1500-$2000 W-31".  For the right, and low $$, this 
sounds like a tinker around or parts car.  Hang in there, you will find 
what you want!

David Brown          OCA #27978         (312) 702-9157
    Check out: www.442.com      www.oldsmobile.com
               FAQ version 2.0 due soon!
- ----------

Went up and looked @ that alleged W31 again. 

Met with the owner face-to-face for the first time. Seemed to be a 
fairly reasonable guy except that he kept spouting out words like 
RARE and W31 all the time. Yeah, and visions of candy canes dancing 
in his head...
<snip>
He fidgeted a bit and leveled with me: "Well, the car has been sitting 
just the way it is for the last two years for that very reason."
<snip>
"Well, Shoot, I'd sign it over right now for $2,000."
<snip>
PS/PB Hey, wait, aren't W31 cars cammed real radical, M brakes-only?
<snip>
Trim Tag missing from cowl *SUSPISCIOUS*
<snip>
Turbo 350 trans: Curses, couldn't see the ID plate
<snip>
The fuel line *did* make a weird little C-clamp like turn under the 
passenger door. 

But Scott, your fax of the manual states this is 'EXC. W-31'

So *is* it or *isn't* it a W31?!?!

- -Darren Shroeger
 '68 442 / 4-spd / 68 455 
 '80 GP Parts Runner / 350 Oldspowered!

------------------------------

From: Paul Martin <paul@dtm.bc.ca>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:35:54 -0300
Subject: '70 & '71 Moldings

>From wimsey.com!chebucto.ns.ca!oldsmobile-owner Tue Oct 15 07:42:55 1996
X-Sender: bryceman@mail.cjnetworks.com
Message-Id: <v01530502ae895d44d2e1@[206.52.159.202]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date:   Tue, 15 Oct 1996 12:26:25 -0300
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
From: Bryceman <bryceman@442.com>
Subject: '70 & '71 Moldings
Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

Greetings everyone. Can anyone tell me if the body side moldings are same
for 70 and 71 Cutlasses? They look the same to me.

           Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
            Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com


        If it is the Cutlass Supreme you are refering to the 
mouldings are the same. On the Cutlass S I believe they started 
using a robber insert in 1971 whereas the 70 just used a plain 
moulding where applicable.

paul@dtm.bc.ca

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 11:34:54 -0300
Subject: Re: New Oldsmobile Symbol 

>> > Honestly, what do you think about the new Oldsmobile symbol that is
>> > replacing the Rocket?
>
>I thought I read somewhere that the new symbol is only for use during 
>the 100th anniversary celebration, and that Olds was going to return 
>to the rocket symbol at some point afterwards.  Anyone else read or 
>hear this?

Well... Kelly Olds in Arlington Heights, IL has recently replaced their
big classic Olds/GM corporate sign with a huge new one sporting the new
logo, so I kind of doubt they will be replacing it again in a year.

A little while ago the Chicago Tribune had a reader poll on what the
new Olds logo should be, with about eight alternatives (one of which
was actually the Aurora logo) which I think were all supplied by Olds.
Don't recall which one won, but I remember it was similar to Olds' own
final choice.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: Darren Shroeger <redhead@mailmasher.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:30:43 -0300
Subject: W31/Rallye 350 F85 

So, okay, we think the W31's a fake, we know the F85 Rallye 350's not.
Thanks for everyone's input/clarification!

Did all Rallye 350's have the W-car OAI stuff? This one has a primer-sprayed
but originally yellow non-OAI regular hood and no wing. Conversely, there's
the OAI aircleaner in the trunk. Perhaps the hood got changed? Shoot, maybe
I'll buy both cars in order to get that fake W31's OAI hood!

Anyway, back to the details on the Rallye 350:

*Interior racegutted
*homemade wiremesh grilles
*12b rearend, non-stock chromish cover
*wrong wheels
*all windows dark-tinted racer plexiglass
*long wheelstuds ala racerdays
*can't recall whether MT or AT

So this thing is really, really far gone. Prolly still worth grabbing?

Anyone know the production numbers for F85 Rallye 350 post coupes?





- -Darren Shroeger 
 '68 442 / 4-speed
 '80 GP Partsrunner / 350 Oldspowered!
 <redhead@mailmasher.com> *new email address*

------------------------------

From: Harry Lorencic <hlorencic@alpo.casc.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 14:47:35 -0300
Subject: RE: The W31

- ----------
From: 	Darren Shroeger[SMTP:redhead@mailmasher.com]
Subject: 	The W31


336870M345815 VIN

395558 2 Block with 30M345815 stamped on pad *#'s match* (he knew that)

6 heads Can't ID as W31 heads w/o pulling & measuring intake valves. Or?

You can't tell if they are W-31 heads without pulling them. But you might
be able to tell if this is a W-31 engine. Take a look at the harmonic balancer,
the W-31 balancer was larger than the standard 350. A standard balancer is
about an 1'' - 1 1/4" wide while the W-31 is an 1 1/2" - 1 3/4'' wide (I'm 
trying 
to visualize this, I may be off a bit).

OAI Hood w/cracks around the LH twist lock. Blue w/ white stripes.

W35 wing in place, looked fine.

Cool mirrors, do all '70s have those wild chiseled-looking mirrors?

Trim Tag missing from cowl *SUSPISCIOUS*

Front Disc Brakes

PS/PB Hey, wait, aren't W31 cars cammed real radical, M brakes-only?

Yes, they only came with manual brakes.

W27 12-bolt rearend: Hmm, what's this stamping? SA? Wow, a RARE 2.78 
open W27 rear end?! Nah, the ole slap a W27 cover on any crappy old diff 
trick. Seen that before.... Thanks, Scott! Your fax helped me nail that 
one.

I believe a 3.48 was the lowest (numerically) gear ratio you could get with 
the W-31.

No rear sway bar, no front sway bar. 

The fuel line *did* make a weird little C-clamp like turn under the 
passenger door. 

But Scott, your fax of the manual states this is 'EXC. W-31'

So *is* it or *isn't* it a W31?!?!

- -Darren Shroeger
 '68 442 / 4-spd / 68 455 
 '80 GP Parts Runner / 350 Oldspowered!

Doesn't sound like a real W-31 to me. Would be worth $2k in parts though.

- -Harry Lorencic
lorencic@alpo.casc.com

'70 W-31 Cutlass S Sport Coupe



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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 13:51:08 -0300
Subject: More Chicago/Fuddruckers Announcements 

Sorry, people, but our intrepid new ISP, Netcom, seems to be
bouncing email from here which is sent to less-than-well-known
domains, hence yet another broadcast from me. Apologies for
this waste of bandwidth; Chicago attendees please read on.

Brett, Rick, Jeff, I did get your email but my replies to you
were kicked back. I need everyone's mailing addresses so I
can send you copies of your car photos. So if you have already
sent me email, great, and I probably got it; if you were at
Fuddruckers and have not sent me your postal address and which
car you were driving (sorry but I lost track of who was who :-)
yet, please do so. Ultimately, and hopefully soon, we want to
get these photos on a web page so everyone else can see them.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: bryceman@442.com (Bryceman)
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 16:17:09 -0300
Subject: Re: More Chicago/Fuddruckers Announcements 

>Fuddruckers and have not sent me your postal address and which
>car you were driving (sorry but I lost track of who was who :-)
>yet, please do so. Ultimately, and hopefully soon, we want to
>get these photos on a web page so everyone else can see them.
>
Send me the photos too, I will put them up on the Olds Page!

           Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
            Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 17:30:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Dick Miller's Newsletter... 

In a message dated 96-10-15 00:50:37 EDT, you write:

<< BTW: At Island Dragway in NJ two weeks ago I heard a rumor that Dick is no
 longer affiliated with Mondello due to a dispute at the Mondello Nationals
in
 Norwalk OH.  I don't know if this is true though.  Can anybody veryify?????
 
  >>
I talked to Dick Miller on Sept 8th and I asked him the same question.  
His response is he is no longer the East Coast Distributor of Mondello parts.
He went in this direction so he would be able to sell hi-po parts that he is 
developing, such as his suspension parts.  He did say that he and Joe are
still
best of friends and he will still order Mondello parts for anybody that wants
them
but he finds it easier to market his own products without using Mondello for
distribution.

W MACHINES

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From: Mark Gray <Frog@pe.net>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 18:04:06 -0300
Subject: Re: 59' Oldsmobile 88 series 4 door

Tucker@aol.com wrote:
> 
> Hi mark hoe about a deck of 59 Olds cards yes I have had them since 59 my dad
> once sold Olds cars and I have a lot of promo stuff the deck of cards are
> still in my tool box where i work which is in a GM dealer but sorry not an
> Olds dealer the Pontiac dealer here pays about 2.50 more and hour for A Techs
> so sorry to say i don't have access to any new olds stuff

Hey do you have a scanner? that would be kewl if I could get some of
those photos.

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From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Tue, 15 Oct 1996 21:44:49 -0300
Subject: Test (please disregard)

Test
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Greg Kalkhoff                                      Driven Images
4217 W. Fond du Lac Ave.                
http://cpeq.com/~edison3/dihome.html
Milwaukee, WI.  53216	
414-447-7500

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