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Subject:	oldsmobile-digest V1 #328


oldsmobile-digest         Friday, 11 October 1996      Volume 01 : Number 328


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Its BB, in pretty good shape, was on a car for 1 season of limited use and
HEI is no sweat.

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From:  Chris Fair[SMTP:ChrisFair@fairisaac.com]
Sent:  Wednesday, October 09, 1996 11:26 PM
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Chris,
Big block or small block, is it in good shape, what's prior usage history
and will it fit HEI?
cf




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On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com wrote:

> I thought the operation was open under no vacuum and closed under
> vacuum; the vacuum only being applied when the A/C is on.

   That's usually true.  Figured that they'd rather have the passengers
boil instead of freeze in the event of a failure.  Of course I've seen
them freeze closed, so this is really a moot point.

> Do they sell valves that work either way?

    Not that I know of.  However, some of the GM valves are just a valve
with a vacuum pot attached by wire rod.  It could be "modified" if
necessasary.  ;^)

    Another thing - related to the no heat-heater core - I had this on a
'83 Delta 88, it would blow warm air for a few minutes then go cold.  Seems
that the valve which screwed into the intake had a restrictor in it which
was reducing the flow from a 3/4" hole down to about 5/16" or so.
Proceeded to yank the valve out and replace it with a non-restricted one.
Problem solved. I *GUESS* they were more concerned with keeping the motor
warm for emissions purposes.  DUH?

> Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
> tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

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>>I've seen lots of postings for movies and TV shows, but no one has
mentioned >>the opening to Grace Under Fire.  Others are better at
identifying them then >>I, so what have we there?
>
>I believe that's a Chubby.  You can see an emblem in one of the shots in
the opening sequence.

Just thought about that...not sure about Chubby.  Possibly Pontiac.  Not
Olds though...
- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Cutlass Supreme
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> Dave,
> I'm glad to hear that your rear end arrived. Did you say that UPS delivered

Uhh, I'm Darren. Twas me that had UPS deliver a rearend. Yes, they
*will* deliver anything up to 150 lb. This rear end had no axles and
no brake drums, etc. and weighed 123 lb.

Now I think I'll slap a W27 cover on it, and...
Nah, on second thought that'd be wrong for a 68.






- -Darren Shroeger
 '68 442 / 4-speed
 '80 GP Partsrunner / 350 Oldspowered!
 <redhead@mailmasher.com> *new email address*

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want more info on car... price... options... location.... color - please
e-mail whatever info you may have
'
83 HO   PS: know the whereabouts of a 67 442 thats 4 sale?
68 442   Rebelxs@cadvision.com - Bruce
80 442
80 cutlass
68 F-85
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> From: Bill Gochenour <billg@sjuvm.stjohns.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 71 Cutlass SX Convertable for sale
> Date: Thursday, October 10, 1996 9:21 AM
>
> My neighbors friend is looking to selling a 1971 Cutlass SX convertable,
> w/59k original miles, he says it's the Y30 package ?. The only
> non-factory part is the alternator. The car has a 455 cid motor / bucket
> seats (I'm told mint) / original invoice & build sheets.
> If anyone would like more information via e-mail or if a desire is
> expressed to view a picture I'll post one on the web site listed below.
> This weekend I'll be checking it out in person and will be able to give
> more on Monday.
> The reason for the sale as you can guess.......wife + new twins (in that
> order) = no time & no money (also in that order).
>
> --
>
> Bill !                                         _           _       ___
>                                              /  |        /  |    /  _  \
> 1986 442 "The perfect 10"                  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
> 1983 Hurst/Olds 15 Anniversary edition   /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
> 1986 Cutlass Supreme                    |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
> 1993 Chevolete Lumina Z-34                    |_|         |_|   |_______|
>
>
>       Visit http://yogi-bear.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 10/4)
>

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At 03:16 PM 10/10/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>Are Olds 1969 Toro Front Side Marker Lights And Lenses The Same
>>As 1969 Olds Cutlass S Front Side Marker Lights..??
>
>The '69 Cutlass units were simple rectangles
>with clear lenses and a 194A amber bulb, weren't they?

Yes, they were.  Don't know if they're the same as the Toro, either.  Sorry.

- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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>I thought the operation was open under no vacuum and closed under vacuum;

Um, not for the GM design I think we're talking about here, no.

>the vacuum only being applied when the A/C is on.

No, I doubt you'd want to be applying vacuum to try and keep the heat off.
The engine is loaded more heavily with A/C running and you may have less
vacuum under those conditions anyway; I don't think you'd want to add even
more demand for vacuum under those circumstances.

>Is the other operation mode valid? (vac -> open, novac -> closed)

That's my understanding. If anyone has a loose heater valve and a vacuum
pump, maybe they could tell us for sure...?

>Do they sell valves that work either way?

You mean where you get to choose the default mode? Not that I know of.

>If they do, which cars use which ones?

Well, I think my neighbor's old Ford Granada had a normally-open valve
like you describe. Still have it in my toolbox, in fact. (The valve,
that is, not the Granada.) (Actually the Granada probably _is_ a toolbox
by now. :-)  I'll try to dig it out tonight.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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Please forgive the urgency of this message, but I have just
found an 83 Hurst/Olds for sale that I want to go look at
this weekend and I need some advice from experts.

It's a high mileage (90000) car that needs some restoration,
but it is complete.  The guy has two.  He bought this one a
few months ago as a parts car for his other but has decided
to sell thme both off.

All the original H/O parts are there and complete.  Rear
spoiler (and winglets), hood scoop, TH200-4R, and lightning
rods.  He wasn't sure about the rear end.  I thought a posi
was and option, but he thought it was standard and has never
actually checked it to see.  No T-tops :-(

Anyways, he says the interior is in pretty good shape but
the exterior and engine needs the most work.  Tranny seems
to work fine but engine smokes.  Valve cover gaskets?  I
just replaced one on my 85 Salon.  He did say it sat for a
year until he bought it so I think that sounds reasonable.


Anyways he's asking $2700 for it.  I had originally planned
to fix my 85 up using some H/O parts if I could find them,
but what I would need is
  Rear wing
  Hood scoop
  Lightning Rods
  TH200-4R
  Posi rear end
  Suspension mods

Those by themselves would probly run me over $2000 I think
(if I could even get them all).  But hey, this is a chance
to get the real thing to restore instead.

My main questions are:

Do all 83 H/Os have the posi rearend (3.73 I think???)

What other clues should I look for to ensure I'm getting
the real thing???


Thanks alot and please email me at 'houlster@goodnet.com'
as well as the list.  I'm subscribed at work and won't be
back before I go to look at the car.

- --Dan

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>>I thought the operation was open under no vacuum and closed under vacuum;
>
>Um, not for the GM design I think we're talking about here, no.
>
>>the vacuum only being applied when the A/C is on.
>
>No, I doubt you'd want to be applying vacuum to try and keep the heat off.
>The engine is loaded more heavily with A/C running and you may have less
>vacuum under those conditions anyway; I don't think you'd want to add even
>more demand for vacuum under those circumstances.
>
>>Is the other operation mode valid? (vac -> open, novac -> closed)
>
>That's my understanding. If anyone has a loose heater valve and a vacuum
>pump, maybe they could tell us for sure...?

Funny you should say that...  I happened to have one loose and gave it a
try.  As I suspected, it is open with no vacuum and close under vacuum.  As
a previous poster stated, this was to prevent the A/C from having to
overcome a hot core.


Bob

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At 04:53 PM 10/10/96 -0300, David Johnston wrote:
>On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Tom Lentz wrote:
>
>Yeah I went to a junk yard and electrical conduate. They had everything
>right up until 5 inches. It is a little bit heavy but the steel walls are
>thin so its OK. I went with the 4.5 inches because it was all they had in
>stock at the time.
>
>4.5 inches for pipes is a little large but I think that it is well worth
>it. There is a healthy amount of air flow from them. Another cool thing
>about them is that at around 1200 rpm there is some serious amount of

I have seen many articles that show actual power and torque loss on the
dyno when going to a diameter pipe that is too big.  Mainly in Hot Rod and
Car Craft.

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Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)  f-body list since: 5/95
88 Camaro Iroc-Z/28...daily driver I get in trouble with
81 Camaro.....................waiting for a big block chevy
75 Hurst/Olds W-25....restoration project
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30.... see it at http:// www.442.com/labay.html

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Rebuild a HEI is very simple. It will come apart with simple hand tools.
just begin your disassembly at the top keeping track of how things go back
together. The weights and plate under them are simply pryed off then the
armature under that is held to the main body with 3 screws. Then press out
the rolled pin in the gear and remove the gear.Once this is removed the
shaft is pulled straight up and out through the top. Sometimes they can be
stuborn and may have to be worked back and forth. When the shaft is removed
chances are the base of the shaft will have wear marks in it. Depending if
your  shaft had much play (when it was wiggled side to side in the housing)
will decide how or if you should do something about it. I usually weld up
the the worn area and then turn it down to size on a lathe. Inspect the
rest of the pieces you have and replace anything that appears to be worn
(measure against other distributors that you may have if not sure).
Reassemble everything carefully amking sure that the weights swing freely,
you might have to buy an advance kit this way you ensure new free moving
parts and bushings. If this is intended for a performance application I
would eliminate the vacumn advance entirely at this point or get an
adjustable one. Now you must setup your advance curve starting with the
mechanical first. The best thing for this is a distributor machine, if not
then install the distributor in your car and get a timing light with a dial
back indicator. You must try to set your  curve so that the car runs as
much initial advance as possible ususally around 15-18 deg. then you must
make sure the total is not more than 36 deg and is all in by about 2000rpm.
This acn be adjusted through the tedoius process of changing weights and
springs or even welding up the slots in theplate that your weights sit on
to limit there movement ( if total is very high). Don't forget new rotor,
coil, and cap. I don't know if I've left anything out or if this is clear
as mud, but if you have questions email direct if you'd like.


Chris Urban
69 442
72 HO

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> From: Anthony Del Balso <anthony@robots.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re:HEI Rebuild
> Date: Thursday, October 10, 1996 8:09 PM
>
>
> >
> > Why not just rebuild your own HEI and put a decent advance curve in it.
that will save you a pile of money. Thats all that Mondello does.
>
> This brings up one of my questions.  I have a hard time w/ dieseling w/
my new
> 350.  There is probably excessive advance at idle (23degrees, factory
spec is
> 20) but that seems to bring the best acceleration (have tested w/ a
stopwatch).
> I shut it off in gear.  I opened up the distributor to check on how the
new
> ACCEL cap and rotor were looking, and noticed that when I rotate the
rotor to
> the mechanical advanced position, it doesn't move back to the nominal
position.
> Now I have replaced the springs w/ lighter ones, to get the advance to
come in
> sooner.  I think the whole unit needs a rebuild.  What is required wrt
tools,
> time, dollars, and skill??  I think I could do it in an afternoon if I
knew
> the procedure ahead of time.
>
> If this has been discussed, please email responses directly.
>
> Thanks
> anthony
>
>

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At 03:54 PM 10/10/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>     For the record it was a '70 442 W30 4spd not a '72 (and I thought we
>     made a good impression ;(

Yup, I knew that; I was counting Greg's wagon as the '72 Cutlass. Next time
we'll have more...

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Std. Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

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At 12:02 AM 10/10/96 -0400, you wrote:
>The Question:
>Are Olds 1969 Toro Front Side Marker Lights And Lenses The Same
>As 1969 Olds Cutlass S Front Side Marker Lights..??

Oh, no, not even close. An '89 Corolla light would probably be closer than
a '69 Toro's...

The '69 Toro marker is L-shaped, and part of the wrap-around bumper. Sorry
'bout that.

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Std. Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

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Every October there is an Oldsmoblie show at Englishtown Raceway in
Englishtown, New Jersey.  Along with a show, they are have two 1/4 mile
classes, small block Olds and big block Olds.  The Rallye 350 club sponsors
this show and really does a nice job.  I found about about this show in
Dick Millers newsletter a few years ago.  I was wondering in anybody on the
list was going.

Hope to see some of you there,
Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com
79 Cutlass -> Street/Strip/Show
86 442 -> Summer Driver
79 Cutlass -> Winter Bomb

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From: Rod Rickenbach <rod@hopi.dtcc.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:47:21 -0300
Subject: Re: JM sez: Do the Torker/850 Double Pumper

On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Darren Shroeger wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Well, just got off the phone with Joe M. again.
> 
> He said the Mallory Unilite conversion will not last, his own
> is much better. Perhaps I'll try to return the Mallory to Jeg's
> and go with the Mondello unit. Opinions?

Yeah, Joe Mondello has developed a better ignition system than the system
developed by people who's primary business is ignition components.  I bet
if Joe sold the Unilites, they'd be the best thing on earth...

> I have an opportunity to pick up a Torker manifold with a Holley 850 Double
> Pumper for $100, may do so.

For that price, it's worth it.  (Just to say you have one. :)

> Joe thought the Torker/850 DP setup would be
> that much more gratifying to drive, especially if it's just a "fun car."

Well, as far as I have seen, the torker does anything but make torque.  It
kills the low end, but enhances high end horsepower.  Unless you're all
out racing and going over 5500 RPM, I can't see how it would help.

All depends on your gearing, intended use, etc.  I like my Offenhauser
dual plane over the Torker I used to have on it.  (455 car w/ 3.90 gears).

Also, I put on the Offy because the intake manifold gaskets leaked with
the Torker.  I know someone else who had the same problem...

- -Rod
- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Rod Rickenbach                                       Delaware Tech
     rod@dtcc.edu                                 Computer Services Department
http://www.dtcc.edu/~rod                            Stanton/Wilmington Campus

------------------------------

From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:49:06 -0300
Subject: Re: 4.5" exhaust?

I suppose the drawback would be the "legality" factor...I've yet to see a 
"legal" (terminating behind the back bumper or exiting the side behind 
the back wheels) exhaust larger than 3"...

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On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Darren Shroeger wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Well, just got off the phone with Joe M. again.
>
> He said the Mallory Unilite conversion will not last, his own
> is much better. Perhaps I'll try to return the Mallory to Jeg's
> and go with the Mondello unit. Opinions?

Yeah, Joe Mondello has developed a better ignition system than the system
developed by people who's primary business is ignition components.  I bet
if Joe sold the Unilites, they'd be the best thing on earth...

> I have an opportunity to pick up a Torker manifold with a Holley 850
Double > Pumper for $100, may do so.

For that price, it's worth it.  (Just to say you have one. :)

> Joe thought the Torker/850 DP setup would be
> that much more gratifying to drive, especially if it's just a "fun car."

Well, as far as I have seen, the torker does anything but make torque.  It
kills the low end, but enhances high end horsepower.  Unless you're all
out racing and going over 5500 RPM, I can't see how it would help.

All depends on your gearing, intended use, etc.  I like my Offenhauser
dual plane over the Torker I used to have on it.  (455 car w/ 3.90 gears).

Also, I put on the Offy because the intake manifold gaskets leaked with
the Torker.  I know someone else who had the same problem...

- -Rod
- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Rod Rickenbach                                       Delaware Tech
     rod@dtcc.edu                                 Computer Services Department
http://www.dtcc.edu/~rod                            Stanton/Wilmington Campus

------------------------------

From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 08:54:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Re:HEI Rebuild

Did anyone else find the advance limiting "comb" in the Crane Vacuum 
Advance Kit ingenious?  It beats the heck out of welding and filing...but 
for some darn reason I couldn't get mine to go below 38 degrees total.  
Great idea, maybe not as well executed as it could have been.

------------------------------

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I suppose the drawback would be the "legality" factor...I've yet to see a
"legal" (terminating behind the back bumper or exiting the side behind
the back wheels) exhaust larger than 3"...

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Did anyone else find the advance limiting "comb" in the Crane Vacuum
Advance Kit ingenious?  It beats the heck out of welding and filing...but
for some darn reason I couldn't get mine to go below 38 degrees total.
Great idea, maybe not as well executed as it could have been.

------------------------------

From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:18:16 -0300
Subject: G Body Dual Crossmember

Torque Technologies referred me to :

	Maximum Torque Specials
	Chicago area
	312-745-8799
They are supposed to have an after-market g body crossmember for a true 
dual system.. I have not checked on it yet.. Let us know what you find out

Al


 "The Viking"
  PGP Public Key Available by E-Mail Request

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 10:49:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicago Meet vs. Boston Meet 

>Man, we sure can't keep cars *or* names straight up here in the Northeast,
>can we?

And judging by the header files, we don't sleep either. 3:00 am!

But if I were Greg, things would be cool.  Heck, I could see my girlfriend at 
Va Tech then.  And I'd still have a'72 olds wagon.

Roger

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From: kathleen jo faulconer <rocket88@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 1980 00:15:17 -0400
Subject: [none]

unsubscribe oldsmobile

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 09:40:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Interior questions?

On Thu, 10 Oct 1996, Mike Turley wrote:
> Specifically carpet and package tray.  Whose replacement carpets are the
> best?  Originality is the goal.  I'd rather spend a few extra bucks and
> have the best stuff.

Eveyone I know gets them from ACC in Alabama. The ones most of the 
catalog places sell come from there. I hear they are fine.

> Now about that package tray;  mine is in excellent shape, but badly
> discolored.  Rear seat speaker option, BTW, so it has that mesh pattern.
> I would prefer to dye mine.  Is this possible??  Also I would like to dye
> it without removing it.  Is that possible??  Who could provide the dye??

Package trays - ugh! I replaced mine about 2 years ago... I think pulling 
the engine would have been easier! :) Don't know about on a '66, but on a 
'68 you have to remove the entire rear half of the interior to do it 
right, including side panels and armrests because these are integrated 
with the rest of the C-pillar trim and the tray goes up underneath that. 
I ended up cutting those "wings" off the tray but now it has warped and 
looks not so good. If yours is like that but in good shape otherwise I 
would suggest respraying it if possible. Don't know why that wouldn't 
work. Would that spray vinyl dye they sell for upholstery do the trick I 
wonder?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 10:05:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicago Meet vs. Boston Meet

> >Yo Brad,
 <SNIP>

> BTW, it's _BOB_, not Brad...    :)
> 
> Man, we sure can't keep cars *or* names straight up here in the Northeast,
> can we?

"Brad" is Bob" pronounced with a Crvanston, RI accent :)

BTW, this is non-Olds, but, Boy, did I see a most bizarre vehicle this morn!
Just as I was getting on the Mass Pike at Exit 13, I saw a guy pulling
out of the Motel 6 by the entrance ramp --

In a new Chrysler Mini-Van *HEARSE*.  No mistaking the vinyl roof with long,
long Landau decorartive trim.  Wonder what he was doing at the motel?
Picking up, or dropping off?

Like the saying goes, "Over my dead body would I ride in that!" :)




Tim (Who'd Prefer Riding in an Olds Hearse, or the Jag XKE hearse in
     "Harold and Maude") Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, nickname yet to be determined
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 11:02:05 -0300
Subject: '87 olds cutlass 350 swap

    I have an '87 olds cutlass supreme and am thinking of swapping a 350 in
place of the terribly slow stock 307. I would like to get about 300hp out of
it but I don't think the stock transmission can handle it. I have also
thought about putting on a TPI system but I'm not sure if they make any for
an olds 350 or 307 for that matter. Would the TPI system be compatible with
my stock computer?
    If this is not possible, would it be better to just rebuild the 307 and
turn it into a 307 H/O? I don't know what the differences between these two
engines except that one is more powerful. Could someone tell me if they know
what the 307 H/O engine is made up of and possibly how much horsepower it
produces? 

  Andy

geetinag@miavx1.muohio.edu

   '87 olds cutlass supreme
   '88 olds cutlass supreme classic brougham

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 10:04:56 -0300
Subject: Re: vacuum operated heater valve 

>The heater water valve on Climate Control equipped Cadillacs functions as
>follows: coolant flow is blocked when vacuum is applied, which occurs
>only during Max AC(recirculate mode) operation.  I believe that the Olds'
>valve works the same way.

Huh. Whaddaya know; I had it all backwards. Clearly GM never consulted
_me_ when they designed that thing!

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: "Michael Calvo" <mcalvo@hologic.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:36:47 -0300
Subject: W27 Rearend cover 

     
     I'm just about ready to put my rebuilt 3:91 rearend back on my 442 and 
     I've added the aluminum W27 cover (couldn't resist). Any 
     thoughts/suggestions on sealants or other products to protect the 
     cover and keep it looking new?
     
     Michael
     mcalvo@hologic.com
     
     '68 Cutlass Supreme
     '70 442 W30 4spd
     '87 Nissan Sentra (130K and going strong)
     '86 F250 4x4HD (32K original miles)

------------------------------

From: Bill Gochenour <billg@sjuvm.stjohns.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:24:55 -0300
Subject: Re: '87 olds cutlass 350 swap

Andy Geeting wrote:
> 
>     I have an '87 olds cutlass supreme and am thinking of swapping a 350 in
> place of the terribly slow stock 307. I would like to get about 300hp out of
> it but I don't think the stock transmission can handle it. I have also
> thought about putting on a TPI system but I'm not sure if they make any for
> an olds 350 or 307 for that matter. Would the TPI system be compatible with
> my stock computer?
>     If this is not possible, would it be better to just rebuild the 307 and
> turn it into a 307 H/O? I don't know what the differences between these two
> engines except that one is more powerful. Could someone tell me if they know
> what the 307 H/O engine is made up of and possibly how much horsepower it
> produces?
> 
>   Andy
> 
> geetinag@miavx1.muohio.edu
> 
>    '87 olds cutlass supreme
>    '88 olds cutlass supreme classic brougham

     The H/P rating on my 86 442 with the 307 high output is, believe it 
or not, only 180 ! Go figure.


- -- 
                                                     
Bill !                                         

                                               _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                    /  |        /  |    /  _  \ 
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition   /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1986 Cutlass Supreme                     /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  / 
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__ 
                                              |_|         |_|   |_______|
                                        
          
      Visit http://yogi-bear.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 9/23)

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From: Allen_R_MONROE@umail.umd.edu (am39)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:40:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Re: Olds on TV 

>At 02:41 AM 10/10/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>I've seen lots of postings for movies and TV shows, but no one has mentioned
>>the opening to Grace Under Fire.  Others are better at identifying them then
>>I, so what have we there?
>
>I believe that's a Chubby.  You can see an emblem in one of the shots in the
>opening sequence.
>--
>Dave Paulison                  1969 Cutlass Supreme  
>Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
>dpauliso@gate.net
>
No, I believe it is a Pontac Grand Prix. >

Allen R. MONROE
Email:am39@umail.umd.edu
69 & 73 H/O

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:52:53 -0300
Subject: FLORIDA CAR SHOW

All,

Second call to all you Fat Fender Fans for the show next weekend.  So far 
Dave Paulison and Victoria Albritton will be here.  Looks like it shaping 
up to be Saturday, the 19th.  Anybody else able to make it?

National Street Rod Association
9th Annual Southeast Street Rod Nationals
9-6 October 18th & 19th, 9-2 October 20th
1,350 pre-1949 street rods expected

Florida State Fairgrounds
Highways 301 & 92, Tampa
Admission $10 & 3$, Parking $3,
Info: Jerry Kennedy 303-776-7841

The 66 Toro and Mike

- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 17:14:49 -0300
Subject: Admin

who oldsmobile

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 13:42:00 -0300
Subject: [none]

Jim Wrote:
>MY question was merely in relation to the % of natural air inducted when
>using the OAI vs n2o induction as a % of the overall charge. It may sound
>like babble to you, but my direct concern is how the additional natural air
>charge caused by opening the OAI will effect the total % of nitrogen and
>oxygen found in the charge. Will the additional OAI air just never make it 
to
>the cylinder? Will it lower the oxygen % of the charge? Or, will the 
overall
>% increase causing the detonation charateristics to increase?

Jim,
My apologies if you thought I referred to your question as babble.  It was a 
pun on my answer, nitrous being a narcotic and all.  I'm sorry for any 
misunderstanding.  Anyhow, I know that my car (with OAI hood) will not 
readily detonate on cool evenings with the OAI hood operating.  Since the 
opening of the OAI hood causes an infusion of cool, dense, N2 rich 
atmospheric air, I would think that the OAI hood would reduce the %o2 
concentration in the cylinders of a car with the nitrous system operating, 
i.e. N2O in the cylinders.  However, the ram effect, if any, of the hood 
will pack the cylinders fuller than normal.  Thus, while  the OAI air will 
not be as oxygen rich as the nitrous enhanced air already in the cylinders, 
the ram effect will put more oxygen molecules (O2) in the cylinder than non 
OAI situations.  All of these molecules of O2 will be accompanied by their 
atmosheric N2 counterparts, which will help reduce detonation.   Thus, I 
think the OAI effect will be a wash as far as detonation is concerned, or 
will slightly reduce the chances of detonation due to the temperature 
reducing effect.
Scott Mullen
'70 442      

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From: Paul Martin <paul@dtm.bc.ca>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:34:38 -0300
Subject: W27 Rearend cover

>From wimsey.com!chebucto.ns.ca!oldsmobile-owner Fri Oct 11 10:11:33 1996
Date:   Fri, 11 Oct 1996 12:36:47 -0300
From:   Michael Calvo <mcalvo@hologic.com>
Message-Id: <9609118450.AA845054771@smtpgw.hologic.com>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: W27 Rearend cover
Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

     
     I'm just about ready to put my rebuilt 3:91 rearend back on my 442 and 
     I've added the aluminum W27 cover (couldn't resist). Any 
     thoughts/suggestions on sealants or other products to protect the 
     cover and keep it looking new?
     
     Michael
     mcalvo@hologic.com
     
     '68 Cutlass Supreme
     '70 442 W30 4spd
     '87 Nissan Sentra (130K and going strong)
     '86 F250 4x4HD (32K original miles)

        Try spraying it with Eastwoods Nylac Clear
Paul Martin

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:35:49 -0300
Subject: JM sez: Do the Torker/850 Double Pumper  

Darrwn Wrote:

<<From: Darren Shroeger <redhead@mailmasher.com>
<<Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 20:32:40 -0300
<<Subject: JM sez: Do the Torker/850 Double Pumper 

<<just got off the phone with Joe M. again.

<<He said the Mallory Unilite conversion will not last, his own
<<is much better. Perhaps I'll try to return the Mallory to Jeg's
<<and go with the Mondello unit. Opinions?

       I agree with his comment on reliability.  What's wrong with an HEI??
 Unless you go the red/blue cap and yellow wires route not many people will
even see it.  A later post says you have concerns about rebuilding one.  It's
easy as noted.  You can also get a rebuilt one for less than $100 at any
parts store.  Install the curve kit and adjustable vacuum advance suggested
and you have an adjustable, bulletproof high voltage system as good as any
street ignition system on the market.

<snip>

<<That'll shoot my showcar plans, but hey, all in the name of hp...>>

             They do have Modified and/or Street Stock classes both at OCA
and at many local shows.  It's your car.  Unless you have a museum quality
restoration of an extremely rare desireable car and you are keeping it for
investment purposes (questionable in any case), do what you like and enjoy
the ride!  Save all the original pieces and you can always return it to stock
with no impact on value.


Bob Handren                               OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified                        '70 SX Convertible

Handren Associates, Inc.             Oviedo, FL
U.S. FDA Regulatory Affairs, 
Laser & Optical Radiation Safety  (407)365-6385

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:13:00 -0300
Subject: [none]

On Thursday, October 10, 1996 7:06AM, Paul R. K. Kuromoto wrote:
>I must beg to differ on the intake manifold being the restriction.  The
>stock olds dual plane is quite sufficient for use up to and slightly over
>6000rpm at which point a 2.5" exhaust would stack up quite a bit of
>backpressure.  Remember, you're dealing with about 450hp out of 455 cu.
>in....that's 3" territory...

The car in question was a stock '70 SX.  I don't think the stock Olds 455 
intake is good to 6000 rpm.  The Edelbrock Performer, which is markedly 
superior in runner layout and is 2 INCHES TALLER IN HEIGHT, is only good to 
6000 rpm.  I talked to Joe Mondello about this.  He was pretty involved in 
the design of the Performer, and he told me the top end on it was 6000 rpm. 
 I had to have 1 inch milled off of the plenum to get it to fit my OAI hood/ 
air cleaner with 455 engine.  He said that doing that would lower the power 
band to 5500 rpm.  With this in mind, I decided not to engineer and install 
a 6000 rpm exhaust system for a car that had an intake limited to 5500 rpm. 
 As a matter of fact, testing with a Vericom accelerometer showed the 
fastest 0-60 times for my car (5.0 sec) were acheived by shifting 1-2 at 
5200 rpm.

Also, I don't think a stock '70 SX 455 puts out 450 net hp, even racing 
downhill with a tailwind.  Car life rated a '70 W30 at 370 net, and they had 
a pretty honest reputation.


> there is a substantial difference between the two,(headers vs exhaust 
manifolds) as >does Mondello (he said"only" 25-30hp..and im thinking, 
ONLY?).  Now this is on a >street prepared 455, streep strip cam and basic 
porting to the heads...a street >engine can benefit substantially from 
headers and a good, large diameter exhaust >system because it is so large.

25-30 HP can be obtained in an easier and more economical way than by 
installing headers.  Start by shedding weight off the car.  I removed my AC 
(once the car's daily driver days were over) and weighed all of the parts; 
 135 lbs..   Using the rule of thumb that every 10 lbs off is equiv to 1 hp, 
there's 13.5 hp right there.  I switched to forged aluminum wheels from SSII 
wheels, and saved another 40 lbs.  Removing the insulation from under the 
carpeting was another 20 lbs.  Replacing the spare tire with a can of 
Fix-a-Flat and a miniature air compresser was 70 lbs.  Those items alone are 
a 25 hp gain.   Weight loss is horsepower that never wears out. I am not 
disputing the fact that headers make HP.  I'm disputing their cost/effort 
vs. return effectiveness.  I'm glad you enjoy your headers.  I prefer to 
crank out decent acceleration, and have people scratch their heads when they 
see those factory exhaust manifolds.
Scott Mullen
'70 442 (Headerless Horseman)

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:15:00 -0300
Subject: Demolition Man 442's

According to the Feb '94 issue of BOP magazine, there were three 442's used 
for the filming of the movie, all of them prepared in just 17 days by 
Vehicle Research and Development (VRD) in Almont, Michigan.  Each car was 
prepared by a different body shop (no further details given) due to time 
constraints.

One of the 442's was a W30 car, and one of them retained its original 455. 
 The other two had 350 CID engines.  One car, with the 455, was in good 
shape and was used for close ups.  The other two were used for the stunts. 
 All three survived the filming and were supposed to tour in the summer of 
'94 at various car shows.  Also a good article on 3" exhaust systems in this 
issue.  

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 14:35:00 -0300
Subject: Re:Re: Mondello-rama

Robert Barry wrote:

>Hmm, I get a hot 35 psi idle/55 psi at highway speed with no shim on my
>"white-box" hv oil pump, running 10W-40. As soon as I get above idle,
>though, the psi goes right above 45 psi. What is the recommended pressure
>for street use (<5000 rpm)?

Robert,
Oil pressure required is related to RPM and main journal diameter of the 
crankshaft.  I have seen various graphs of this relationship.  Basically, I 
think the rule of thumb to use is 10 psi for every 1000 rpm.  I am a little 
conservative and add 5 psi to the result.  Thus, for my 6000 rpm redline 
455, I like 65 psi.  I use Mondello's heavy duty oil pump drive shaft (much 
heftier than stock) and have had no problems with cam/distributor gear wear. 
 One thing I forgot to mention was to match port your oil pump with the rear 
main cap.  The opening on the cap is alot smaller than the opening on the 
pump.  I traced the outline of the pump opening and used it as a template to 
grind the cap opening.  You can also contour/enlarge the throat that leads 
to the main gallery.

I also installed a plug in my oil filter housing bypass valve in lieu of the 
spring loaded plunger.  A high pressure/ high volume pump can overload the 
valve, which is supposed to open in the event of a clogged oil filter, and 
allow unfiltered oil to circulate.
Scott Mullen
'70 442

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:43:37 -0300
Subject: My car is in Chevy High Perf. Mag. (non-olds) 

My 88 Camaro is in the December issue of Chevy High Performance magazine. It
is on page 140  under the title of Left for Dead. I know all of you
subscribe so take a look:):) Just thought I would share it with the group,
my first car to get magazine exposure. Actually this is an Olds related
post. the 88 has a wiper motor from an 84 Toronado. Well make sure you stop
by the magazine rack at the grocery store and check out my ride. 

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From: Jon442@aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 17:19:09 -0300
Subject: Re: W27 Rearend cover 

In a message dated 96-10-11 11:55:05 EDT, you write:

<< I'm just about ready to put my rebuilt 3:91 rearend back on my 442 and 
      I've added the aluminum W27 cover (couldn't resist). Any 
      thoughts/suggestions on sealants or other products to protect the 
      cover and keep it looking new? >>

Mike, I had mine powder coated in clear. It won't pop off like paint will,
and it looks great.

Jon Wessel

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 17:31:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Unresolvable mail address 

In a message dated 96-10-10 20:23:58 EDT, you write:

<< Only White Men Can Jump                 67 Cutlass Conv Blue
 Perfect World                           66 Vista Cruiser
 Dirty Dancing                           63 Dynamic 88
 Demolition Man                          70 442
 Karate Kid II                           71/72 442 Red
 King Pin                                72 Cutlass
 Beverly Hills Cop II or III             68 Cutlass conv Red
 On Golden Pond                          73 Delta 88
 Slap Shot                               74 Olds Delta Conv
                                         64/65 Cutlass Hdtp
 WW and The Dixie Dance Kings            55 Olds
 Manix                                   68/69 Toro Custom
 Great Balls OF FIre                     57 Starfire Conv
 Charlie Sheen Movie (recent years)      71 Cutlass Conv Red
         I would be interested  in hearing of other 
 references,these are the only ones I recall.
 Paul Martin >>
 Thats Karate Kid III with a 72 orange W-30
Beverly hill cop II with 68 ragtop
Yes the band Chicago with 68 red 442 ragtop
Hot rod 69 orange cutlass
Navy Seals with Charlie Sheen
Milk Money with a 71 cutlass ragtop
Little China a 70 cutlass


W Machines

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 17:36:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Demolition Man 442's 

In a message dated 96-10-11 14:29:29 EDT, you write:

<< According to the Feb '94 issue of BOP magazine, there were three 442's
used 
 for the filming of the movie, all of them prepared in just 17 days by 
 Vehicle Research and Development (VRD) in Almont, Michigan.  Each car was 
 prepared by a different body shop (no further details given) due to time 
 constraints.
 
 One of the 442's was a W30 car, and one of them retained its original 455. 
  The other two had 350 CID engines.  One car, with the 455, was in good 
 shape and was used for close ups.  The other two were used for the stunts. 
  All three survived the filming and were supposed to tour in the summer of 
 '94 at various car shows.  Also a good article on 3" exhaust systems in this

 issue.  
  >>

Only 1 car survives now and is in the REO Transportation Museum in Lansing
Michingan.  I saw the car about 6 months ago.  It is the original W car that
was purchased from Mark Carpenter, who also lives here in Michingan.

W Machines  (Mark Prince)

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 17:38:33 -0300
Subject: Re: W27 Rearend cover 

In a message dated 96-10-11 11:55:05 EDT, you write:

<<   I'm just about ready to put my rebuilt 3:91 rearend back on my 442 and 
      I've added the aluminum W27 cover (couldn't resist). Any 
      thoughts/suggestions on sealants or other products to protect the 
      cover and keep it looking new?
       >>

I sprayed mine with a ureathane clear coat that is used for base coat
clear coat.  No problems as of yet.  Still looks new.

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:21:00 -0300
Subject: FW: Another Olds in a movie sighting

With Olds in movies being a popular subject lately, and some new names 
showing on the list, I am sending this message again in hopes of finding 
someone who might provide some info about the following movie:
Years ago I saw a movie called "Rebel of the Road."   It was a late '70's 
B-movie that was about a bunch of kids in their late teens who spent all 
their time racing cars .  One of the main characters (the bad guy), was 
wealthy, and had a '69 442 that was really beefed up.  I am surprised that I 
remember the name of the movie, because I haven't seen it in at least 15 
years, but fortunately, that movies name was branded in my memory banks. 
 The movie was pretty cool, because the 442 was in it A LOT!  I have checked 
with many of the local movie stores here in St. Louis, and no one has ever 
heard of it.  Has anyone else heard of it, and/or know where to obtain it? 
 Please let me know.

Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

ps.. Blockbuster can't find it...been there, done that.

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 16:37:20 -0300
Subject: Re: W27 Rearend cover 

>I sprayed mine with a ureathane clear coat that is used for base coat
>clear coat.  No problems as of yet.  Still looks new.

Just curious: Would heat be a problem here? I'd think that as far as
dirt goes, it's pretty much out of the line of fire Re: road splash
and the like, but could you get heat discoloration of the "clear" coat?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 17:49:39 -0300
Subject: Re: A/C duct  

> While I've got half a dozen boxes of A/C duct work open, is that the 
> only piece you're missing?  

Question - would any of this A/C duct work fit in a 69 98 or is it only
for the A-bodies?   I'm in need of some duct work for Tiny... 

- - Travis and the 69 olds 98 convertible aka "Tiny"
- --
Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 17:57:00 -0300
Subject: RE: More on Rallye 350 Show...

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Well I'll try asking again. Where is Englishtown Raceway/ Whats it near? I 
hope all the smartass comments are done.

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From: 	OLDSPWR@aol.com[SMTP:OLDSPWR@aol.com]
Sent: 	Thursday, October 10, 1996 9:02 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	More on Rallye 350 Show...

Every October there is an Oldsmoblie show at Englishtown Raceway in
Englishtown, New Jersey.  Along with a show, they are have two 1/4 mile
classes, small block Olds and big block Olds.  The Rallye 350 club sponsors
this show and really does a nice job.  I found about about this show in Dick
Millers newsletter a few years ago.  I was wondering in anybody on the list
was going.

Hope to see some of you there,
Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com
79 Cutlass -> Street/Strip/Show 
86 442 -> Summer Driver 
79 Cutlass -> Winter Bomb




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From: tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:12:07 -0300
Subject: Re: vacuum operated heater valve 

Let's define something for the following discussion so that we don't
go nuts... 

  let "type A" valves work as follows: novac -> closed, vac -> open 
  let "type B" valves work as follows: vac -> closed, novac -> open

> > Do they sell valves that work either way?
> 
> You mean where you get to choose the default mode? Not that I know of.

What I meant was that do some cars use "type A" valves, while others
used "type B".  Mostly I was interested in cars that came from Oldsmobile,
but other GM cars or even non-GM cars may be of interest.

I remember looking in this big book at the parts store (because they
don't have anything for a '69 on the computer and the dork behind
the counter can't be trusted to read a book) and they had a whole
page or more of different heater valves for all makes and models.
I actually looked at about 3 different ones because the afformentioned
dork couldn't even go back and fetch the right part given a number.
I think some of them were "type A" and others were "type B".  Now
you've got me wondering if maybe I got the wrong type after all.
Hmm... What I got was a size+shape replacement for the one I had
and I'm 99.9% sure it was "type B".  I couldn't test it against
the one I had as the old one was frozen/rusted open or closed
(I can't remember which).


> I doubt you'd want to be applying vacuum to try and keep the heat off.
> The engine is loaded more heavily with A/C running and you may have less
> vacuum under those conditions anyway; I don't think you'd want to add even
> more demand for vacuum under those circumstances.

Sounds reasonable enough, but I can see the engineers doing it another way.  
Ordinarily (ie non A/C cars) I think there is not a valve there (see other 
msgs about this).  I can see someone thinking, "well, it's ok to be open 
normally (novac), but we really need to turn the darn thing off when the 
A/C is on...", so they run an extra line to it to apply vac when the A/C 
goes on.  Sort of a more "afterthought" approach.

I'll sit down with Tiny this weekend and see if I can find out how 
the valve is supposed to work.  I need to get the heat going in there
soon anyway.  Of course to do that I'll need to find/make some 
ductwork as I mentioned in a previous post.  Today's whine: Why did
those stupid thieves have to smash the duct work to get at the
radio?  Or more importantly why did someone have to cut the dash up
and put in an aftermarket radio that someone would want to steal?
<sigh>  Now I'm left with a hole in the dash and a heater that
does a wonderful job of warming the inside of the dashboard.  Sorry,
I just need to let that one out... 

- --
Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 19:22:00 -0300
Subject: Re: W27 Rearend cover

How hot does a diff. cover get????  I don't think the exhaust pipes are 
close enough to hurt it.
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From: Andrew C. Green
To: mullenrs; oldsmobile
Subject: Re: W27 Rearend cover
Date: Friday, October 11, 1996 5:06PM


>I sprayed mine with a ureathane clear coat that is used for base coat
>clear coat.  No problems as of yet.  Still looks new.

Just curious: Would heat be a problem here? I'd think that as far as
dirt goes, it's pretty much out of the line of fire Re: road splash
and the like, but could you get heat discoloration of the "clear" coat?

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: John Harris <John.Harris@rttc.redstone.army.mil>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:28:57 -0300
Subject: Differential carrier (posi-69)

Folks

I had to unsubscribe from the list because of the volume.  I am using
the computer at work and was overloading my mailbox.  Anyhow, I was
wondering if any of you out there have a posi carrier for sale.  I need
one for an "O" type differential from a 69 or 70 Cutlass/442.  It will
need to be one that originally had a 3.08 or a 3.42 gear ratio.  If you
have one and would like to sell it e-mail me at
jharris@rttc.redstone.army.mil

John M Harris
69 442 (rear end parts all over the garage floor)

I am to the point that I am strongly considering welding the spider
gears to the carrier.

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 15:23:00 -0300
Subject: RE: Interior questions

on Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:09:23 Mike Turley wrote:
>>Whose replacement carpets are the best?  Originality is the goal.  I'd 
rather spend >>a few extra bucks and have the best stuff.

Mike,

You might try:
Auto Custom Carpets (A.C.C.)
1-800-352-8256
P.O. Box 1350
Anniston, AL  36202
Web site:  http://www.bellnet.com/acc.htm

I have not gotten personal feedback on them yet, but I have seen a lot of 
adds of theirs in Cars and Parts magazine, and I was thinking of going with 
them for my '69 Convertible.  Has anyone gotten their carpet from them?  If 
you did, what did you think?

Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:14:28 -0300
Subject: Re: More on Rallye 350 Show...

Chris Urban wrote:
> 
> Where is Englishtown Raceway/ Whats it near? 
> I hope all the smartass comments are done.

Don't you just hate that?

(sending E-town map direct)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Busen <mbusen@vt.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 22:29:12 -0300
Subject: my cars

I will write with more information later, but for now I will just tell 
you that I have two '83 Oldsmobiles - an Oldsmobile Cutlass Cruiser 
station wagon and a Delta 88 Royale.  The wagon "Blue Steel," has over 
140,000 miles while the Delta has about 192,000.  I will go into deeper 
description later, since I have no time now.

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From: Dave Isho <davei-2@mail.idt.net>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 19:32:16 -0300
Subject: RE: Interior questions 

At 03:23 PM 10/11/96 -0300, you wrote:


>Web site:  http://www.bellnet.com/acc.htm
>

Tried to acces page and got this error:  The requested object does not exist
on this server. The link you followed is either outdated, inaccurate, or the
server has been instructed not to let you have it. Please inform the site
administrator of the referring page.

I informed them, but let me know if you think it's something on my end.

 >Dave Isho --- davei-2@mail.idt.net
     >67 Cutlass CS Convertible...up on jackstands again
				  but not for long now...

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 19:37:59 -0300
Subject: CA smog laws

First oa all I would like to thank all of you for your inforamtion, 
especially Joe.  All of your points seem very true and you are helping 
through this situation.

I don't know if I have the A.I.R. injectors on my '70 442.  How could I 
tell if I do?  I DO have the NOX device ( I was wondering what that 
sticker was in my glove box!!!) therefore making it a CA car.  But you 
mentioned that cars with ram air, etc, didn't have that, but I have ram 
air OAI hood and equipment and I have that sticker.  Whats the deal

If you could help me further, I would really appreciate it.
thanks
Brad

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 19:33:24 -0300
Subject: Re: 4.5" exhaust?

> >4.5 inches for pipes is a little large but I think that it is well worth 
> >it. There is a healthy amount of air flow from them. Another cool thing 
> >about them is that at around 1200 rpm there is some serious amount of 
> 

> I have seen many articles that show actual power and torque loss on the dyno
> when going to a diameter pipe that is too big.  Mainly in Hot Rod and Car 
Craft.
> 

	It seems like anything over 3.5 inches is pretty much overkill,
and you might as well be running open exhaust since you would need a 1500
CID engine to make any kind of pressure in them.  But as a bonus over open
pipes, yo do get that cool resonating effect that generates all that bass!
Unfortunatly, using pipes that are too large can do funky things to your
torque curve.  It probibly looks darn impressive, though.
	
			
				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 19:36:09 -0300
Subject: Re: G Body Dual Crossmember

> Torque Technologies referred me to :
> 
> 	Maximum Torque Specials
> 	Chicago area
> 	312-745-8799
> They are supposed to have an after-market g body crossmember for a true 
> dual system.. I have not checked on it yet.. Let us know what you find out

	I have one of their catalogs from last year.  They specialize in
high perf stuff for 472 and 500" Caddys, and the stuff you need to swap
them into other cars.  They offer a dual exhaust cross member designed for
swapping a TH-400 into 78-87 G boddies, but I forget how much they want
for them.  Probibly worth looking into anyways.
	
		
				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 18:26:05 -0300
Subject: Re: vacuum operated heater valve  

>> I doubt you'd want to be applying vacuum to try and keep the heat off.
>> The engine is loaded more heavily with A/C running and you may have less
>> vacuum under those conditions anyway; I don't think you'd want to add even
>> more demand for vacuum under those circumstances.
>
>Sounds reasonable enough, but I can see the engineers doing it another way.  
>Ordinarily (ie non A/C cars) I think there is not a valve there (see other 
>msgs about this).  I can see someone thinking, "well, it's ok to be open 
>normally (novac), but we really need to turn the darn thing off when the 
>A/C is on...", so they run an extra line to it to apply vac when the A/C 
>goes on.  Sort of a more "afterthought" approach.

I think I'm on the wrong end of this argument (thinking that the valve
is normally closed until you apply vacuum -- were that to be true there
would be a lot more beaters running around with no heat as soon as they
spring a vacuum leak), but let me point out that you _can_ have heat
with A/C running. This is what the BI-LEVEL setting is for, among other
things, and even with the controls set to straight A/C or MAX, sliding
the temperature lever will get you heat. So the A/C setting is not a
flat override-and-close of the heater hose valve.

Gotta catch my train... will try some theories this weekend... more later...

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@direct.ca>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 19:33:19 -0300
Subject: Re: HP ratings  

At 03:13 PM 10/11/96 -0300, Scott Mullen wrote:

>Also, I don't think a stock '70 SX 455 puts out 450 net hp, even racing 
>downhill with a tailwind.  Car life rated a '70 W30 at 370 net, and they had 
>a pretty honest reputation.

Actually, the '70 W30 was rated at 370 bhp (brake horsepower)or Gross not
Net.  This was still a conservative rating.  Net ratings started in '71.  

The standard '70 4-4-2 was rated at 365 bhp, which is surprisingly only 5 hp
less but had no OAI Hood and Air Cleaner, E-Heads, milder cam, cast-iron
manifold just to name a few differences.  The 70 W30 has the OAI Hood and
Air Cleaner, F-Heads, more radical cam and aluminum manifold and a balanced
engine but only got a 5 hp increase?!? Very strange.  Also, even stranger is
the fact that the exact same W-engine in the '70 Toronado GT was rated at
400 bhp.  Back in those days there was an unwritten rule about having too
much power per weight ratio.  The general rule was a max. of 10:1 or 10
pounds per 1 hp.  If the car had a 9:1 or 8:1 ratio (not compression but
weight:hp) then it was frowned upon by the insurance companies.  So isn't it
surprising how the '70 W-30 weighs approx. 3800 lbs. and gets a hp rating of
370 hp.  I would tend to think that the magazines (Car Life, Moter Trend
etc.) rated the cars on hp exactly the way they were told to rate them by
the manufacturer.

>25-30 HP can be obtained in an easier and more economical way than by 
>installing headers.  Start by shedding weight off the car.  I removed my AC 
>(once the car's daily driver days were over) and weighed all of the parts; 
> 135 lbs..   Using the rule of thumb that every 10 lbs off is equiv to 1 hp, 
>there's 13.5 hp right there.  I switched to forged aluminum wheels from SSII 
>wheels, and saved another 40 lbs.  Removing the insulation from under the 
>carpeting was another 20 lbs.  Replacing the spare tire with a can of 
>Fix-a-Flat and a miniature air compresser was 70 lbs.  Those items alone are 
>a 25 hp gain.   Weight loss is horsepower that never wears out. 

Let me get this "rule of thumb" straight.  If my car weighs approx. 3800
lbs. and I remove everything (I mean everything!) except a bucket seat and
my steering wheel so that my new "car" now weighs about 100 lbs.... it will
be.. Wow..a 370 hp bucket seat and steering wheel!?!  Did I get that right?  
;')

Nick DiGiovanni
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
1970 4-4-2

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