To:	Jeffrey A Easton/ADD_LAKE_HUB/ADD_HUB/ADD/US
cc:	 
From:	gbbea000 @ mail.cycor.ca@INTERNET1 @ ABTLAB
Date:	11/03/96 07:41:47 PM
Subject:	oldsmobile-digest V1 #350


oldsmobile-digest        Saturday, 2 November 1996     Volume 01 :
Number 350


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From: Chris Sparks <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:54:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Toro FAQ Page

Greg Kalkhoff wrote:

> To all Toronado List members,
>
> The "beta" version of the Toronado FAQ Page is ready for inspection.
>
> Please stop by and check it out. All comments and suggestions would be
 > appreciated. > > http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/index2.htm

Well I do not own a Toro, but oooooooooooooh.  Isn't she pretty!!!!!!!

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: Chris Sparks <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:59:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Increasing a cars value

dj wrote:

> If it is like Vermillion, South Dakota, they made virtually all of
> the options other than getting rid of it more work than it was worth.
> My 59 El Camino had a windshield trashed by children before I bought
> it.  As I was trying to find a good one the city towed it away as an
> "abandoned" car.  The broken glass meant it was not driveable on the
> street, thus it had to go.  By their standards a flat tire qualifies
> it as an "abandoned" car, irregardless of conversations with the
owner, > license plates, insurance, etc.  It was easier to get rid of it
than > find a garage in a University town.  Besides, the 59 is the
ugliest > Chevrolet ever made.

No not quite like Vermillion.  My city just send the police around more
frequently to check and see if the car has been moved.  They figure by
tagging my car and giving me tickets would encourage me.  When I agreed
to get rid of my car, then they were willing to negotiate.  My city does
however have beautification laws so to them my car wasn't beautiful.
Prior to my getting rid of the car, a vandal decided to knock my
driver's side door window out (Maybe the city had something to do with
this).  I guess I would have no way to keep the elements out and would
have to get rid of it.  Life can sure suck!!!!

Chris Sparks

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From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:12:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Toro FAQ Page

Chris Sparks wrote:

> Well I do not own a Toro, but oooooooooooooh.  Isn't she pretty!!!!!!!

Chris,

Yupper! I have tons of literature and old pictures of early Toros! This
is gonna be a blast!

Sparky
- --
Greg Kalkhoff                             See the Sparkmobile
AKA  "Sparky"                       http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
Milwaukee, WI

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From: "RYAN KURYLO" <RSK0790@anubis.westmoreland.cc.pa.us>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 11:36:02 -0400
Subject: Re:Quad's 4's etc..

What are 5.0's going to do when the 90 Quad 442 goes blowing by you!

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 11:58:00 -0400
Subject: Re: '68 or '69 Air cleaner needed

Thanks for the reply.  Art Fuller is sending me one, and I already have
the correct decal (actually 3 of them) that I got from Year One several
months ago.  You are correct on the color, for I drove a '69 Cutlass
Supreme 350-4bbl for about 7 years when I was growing up (My dads), and
know that fire red-orange color well.

See ya on the list!

Jeff
 ----------
From: shrigg
To: oldsmobile
Cc: jzeilman
Subject: Re: '68 or '69 Air cleaner needed
Date: Thursday, October 31, 1996 6:43PM

>Would anyone know where I could find '68 or '69 factory air cleaner for
a >4-barrel?  I am converting my '69 350-2bbl to a 4bbl and would like
to keep

>it as factory looking as possible.

Jeff,

The aircleaner you need is red-orange in color and will have a tin plate
 (68) or foil sticker (69) saying Rocket 455 or whatever.

I have one, but plan to use it for my Apprehender Jr. Delmont
makeover...


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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:19:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Increasing a cars value

Dennis W Johnson wrote:

> Besides, the 59 is the ugliest Chevrolet ever made.

Ouch!  Heard that!

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:15:17 -0400
Subject: When is 100th anniversary show?

Someone can help this guy?? -Chris-

> I don't mind a little rust. Use to it live in the land of white-top
highways > (Wi.). > I would prefer actual '72 parts.

'72 Delta 88 parts, that is...

> Also when is the Nationals?

> Neil Johnston
> WolfDen@worldnet.att.net

- --
Chris  B. Witt
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:38:47 -0400
Subject: Re: When is 100th anniversary show?

On Nov 1, 12:15pm, Chris Brown Witt wrote:
> Subject: When is 100th anniversary show?
> Someone can help this guy?? -Chris-
>
The Olds Nationals are Aug 20th-Aug 23rd---phone # 1-800-648-6630
- --------they estimate 3000 cars?!

- ---Mark

> > I don't mind a little rust. Use to it live in the land of white-top
highways
> > (Wi.).
> > I would prefer actual '72 parts.
>
> '72 Delta 88 parts, that is...
>
> > Also when is the Nationals?
>
> > Neil Johnston
> > WolfDen@worldnet.att.net
>
> --
> Chris  B. Witt
> wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
>
>-- End of excerpt from Chris Brown Witt

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From: tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:07:30 -0400
Subject: the city vs your car

> What did you mean, your city made you get rid of your car???
> That sounds pretty scary to me . . . .

Lots of cities have laws to tow cars away if
 - car hasn't moved in X days,
 - car is not drivable
   (this can mean anything from immobile, aka up on blocks,
    to not leagal to drive, as in your seatbelt is too tattered
    or whatever other silly reason someone wants to give)
 - car is not currently licensed/inspected,

   I had some yahoo put a stickter on Tiny saying that they would be
back to tow it in 24 hours.  They cited some city ordinance that they
claimed gave them the right to do so. (I never did check to see if
the ordinance even existed, much less if Tiny was really in violation
of it)  I just hid the car in another place for a few days (surrounded
by other cars and things that would have meant lots of extra work for
someone to get to it to tow it away).  I think tow operator or someone
at the yard just wanted my ride, so they tried to get their hooks in
it psudo-legally.  I'd had the car there for a long time before
without incident, and I've even parked there since and not had another
sticker show up (but believe me I was checking often).  Maybe it was
just some rookie cop generating lots of paperwork in an attempt to
look like real work was getting done.  But I don't think a real cop
put the sticker on my car.  There was no badge number or name, just
a phone number and "Joe's Wrecker Service" (or whoever).  The sticker
didn't look like an official city document.  Maybe they didn't want
they car, but just the "fees" for towing and storage.  I knew someone
that had to grease the city's tow yard $200 to get his car back after
they towed it off one weekend while he was out of town.  It's bulls**t,
but he didn't want to take days off work to go file in small claims
court and do all that other junk.  It was cheaper to just hand over
the cash and be done with it.


- - Travis and the 69 olds 98 convertible aka "Tiny"
- --
Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

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From: Robert Whitaker <whitaker.rob@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 29 Oct 1996 23:08:20 -0400
Subject: Re: for the Oldsmobile Enthusiast

Thank you Heidi!

I also got my Aids for the Oldsmobile Enthusiast booklet.


Robert Whitaker
69 H/O 455

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From: Dennis W Johnson <dwjohnso@sunbird.usd.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:33:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Increasing a cars value

On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, Mike Frederick wrote:
>> Dennis W Johnson wrote: Besides, the 59 is the ugliest Chevrolet
>> ever made.

> Ouch!  Heard that!
>
> The 66 Toro and Mike
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>      Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>      (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

Perhaps I meant homely.  Ugly is such a bad word.  But then maybe
I am trying to justify why I bought two of them.  Go figure.
dj...who is trying to sell a 62 Starfire convertible.

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 14:17:50 -0400
Subject: Re: for the Oldsmobile Enthusiast

Thank you Heidi!

I also got my Aids for the Oldsmobile Enthusiast booklet.


Roger Borlase
'72 Cutlass Cruiser
http://www.cs.gordonc.edu/~borlase

If you have a kid in school and a computer, check out
http://www.schoolsoft.com for great deals on the latest software at
adacemic prices.

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 06:35:52 -0400
Subject: Re: To ~all~ mid 80's Cutlass fans...

     Where'd you get the hood scoop from, and how much?  I hope you'll
put
     up pictures!

     That hood is weird.  My best guess is that it looks like some sort
of
     cowl-induction type.  The "grill" for the intake is expanded up
into
     the window on that picture.  Is there any other mention of this in
     there?

     Sorry, no leads on a H/O badge.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com


______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: To ~all~ mid 80's Cutlass
fans... Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    10/31/96
4:06 PM


Got my hood scoop today, entirely too cool!  Went to the dealer to get a
 matching hood ornament (OK, the Hurst used an "emblem" or plate, while
the rest used an ornament, ya know, cuz the ornament stands up and all)
Anyway, that of course was discontinued since '91.  Anyone have one?
(I mean, that they don't need anymore...)
     Anyway, while there I found a really interesting page in the parts
book.  Check this out, it gives me a fascinating imagination storm.  Has
 anyone ~ever~ seen a hood like this?
                          |
                (Go here \|/ now)
       http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner/81front.jpg


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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 16:01:09 -0400
Subject: Re: 72 Hurst/Olds

In a message dated 96-10-31 20:40:41 EST, you write:

<< What are the correct s/ns for these cars?
 I have seen one already in Florida..S/N 3J57UZM213375, (is this a legit
#?) >> The U stands for a 455 automatic car and M for built in Lansing.
Look on the cowl tag for paint code -   - .  The double dashes is a
special paint code for the H/O.  Look for the plague on the glovebox
door.  Your Z is a typo. The vin should be 3J57U2M213375.  The 2 is for
the year of the car and the first 3 is Olds and the J is Cutlass
Supreme and 57 is for body type of hardtop coupe 4200 series Supreme.
The sunroof does leak, but most all sunroof cars leak.  The seals become
hard and brittle, so replace them.

12,500 is a good price as long as the car is super nice.  The production
figuers are low on the H/O and a very desirable car even to a W Machine.
A few of the H/O came with the W-30 option.  Instead of a U in the vin,
it will have a X is the vin like 3J57X2M------.

W MACHINES

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From: "Jason Hairston" <jth442@flash.net>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 16:14:42 -0400
Subject: Re: speed

Thanks for the advice.  I know this engine isn't the most powerful, but
I've no trouble with it for over 200K and still going.  It doesn't even
burn any oil.  Not the best acceleration :0-60 @ 9 sec., but still
pretty quick.

Jason Hairston
77  442

- ----------
> From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: speed
> Date: Thursday, October 31, 1996 3:40 PM
>
> At 04:14 PM 10/31/96 -0500, you wrote:
> >I have a 403 with hi mileage.  But it runs great.  I was wondering if
> >someone could tell me if these engines have a governor on them.  It
can get > > No governor, per se, but with a .400" lift cam, you're not
going to get a > lot of air and fuel into those cylinders at above
4000rpm. Get a better cam, > freer-flowing air cleaner and exhaust, and
you can see 130mph. Just don't > stay there too long... > > >from 80 to
100 in a snap.  Speedo goes to 85, but I've had it way past. So > >I
don't know what speeds I'm getting to.  Its not hard to get to 100+ so >
>I'm sure there is some unused power. > > Untapped potential, but in
stock form the 403 is not a top-end motor. >

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From: Anthony Del Balso <anthony@robots.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 16:50:23 -0400
Subject: Qjet adjustment

During the last 2 weeks or so, someone posted a letter indicating how to
tune a qjet using a vacuum gage.  I thought I had saved the letter, but
I am just getting used to this mail program, and lost it.  Could someone
either repost or send it to me directly?  I would appreciate it.  I
think the letter was pretty detailed, indicating how to check ported vs.
manifold vacuum,  how to determine what type of vacuum each port on the
manifold is, what components should be hooked up to each specific type
of vacuum and so on.  Thanks in advance.

anthony
anthony@robots.com

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 19:59:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Resto  Tips  .....

Joe Ferrero wrote:
>
> Put that guitar to good use!!!
>
> 2 people and a guitar string make a great windshield removal tool!

Send the guitars to me; I send all the strings you need back to you.  ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "Brendan P. Foley" <bfoley@ezl.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:00:00 -0400
Subject: Re: 1971 cutlass convertible

jmartin wrote:
>
> Dear Olds Lover,
>   I am in the process of restoring an olds. I need all the help
> I can get. John Martin
>            6, San Antonio Circle
>            Monroe,NY 10950
>            jmartin@monroe.ny.frontiercomm.net

Dear John:

	I own a '71 Cutlass conv. that needs lots of restoring. So far I have
replaced the door hinges on driver's side, replaced door weatherstiping,
bought new glove box, had vinyl along top of windshield replaced,
purchased new pearl interior(to be installed), rebuilt carb and added
manual choke. I am saving money to buy new exhaust. I like the Year One
and Oldsmobile USA catalogs for parts. I also purchased a 1971
Oldsmobile Service Manual. If you know where I can get a trunk lid let
me know. I also need a left front fender. Luckily my right fender is
rust free, those are harder to get.

Brendan P. Foley
St.Louis, MO.		71 Cutlass Conv.

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:51:12 -0400
Subject: CCN Woes

If you receive this you probably don't need to know this, but I just
wanted to tip everyone off to the fact that it seems that CCN (home of
the Olds List) is having some sort of mail router problems today. I'm
getting all sorts of strange mail bounces from different addresses that
CCN says are unresolvable. This is extremely unusual so please bear with
 us until it is fixed.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 17:54:55 -0400
Subject: Setting The Pace

Got home from work today to find my copy of "Setting The Pace", the
wonderful book by Helen Earley and Jim Walkinshaw, awaiting me in the
mail. I've just browsed it a little, but what a wonderful piece of work
it is!

Thanks to the Olds P. R. Department and everyone at Olds from John Rock
on down for taking the time and money to do this for members of the
O.C.A.! It is truly appreciated. Heidi, please pass along my most
sincere thanks to all.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:00:00 -0400
Subject: olds book

Hi.

Couple of questions,

I joined OCA in September.
1) Should I be receiving a copy of the book?

2) Is there anything with station wagons?

Roger Borlase
http://www.cs.gordonc.edu/~borlase
'72 cutass cruiser

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 19:20:52 -0400
Subject: Re: the city vs your car

>Lots of cities have laws to tow cars away if
> - car hasn't moved in X days,
> - car is not drivable
>   (this can mean anything from immobile, aka up on blocks,
>    to not leagal to drive, as in your seatbelt is too tattered
>    or whatever other silly reason someone wants to give)
> - car is not currently licensed/inspected,
>
>   I had some yahoo put a stickter on Tiny saying that they would be
>back to tow it in 24 hours.  They cited some city ordinance that they
>claimed gave them the right to do so. (I never did check to see if
>the ordinance even existed, much less if Tiny was really in violation
>of it)  I just hid the car in another place for a few days (surrounded
>by other cars and things that would have meant lots of extra work for
>someone to get to it to tow it away).  I think tow operator or someone
>at the yard just wanted my ride, so they tried to get their hooks in
>it psudo-legally.  I'd had the car there for a long time before
>without incident, and I've even parked there since and not had another
>sticker show up (but believe me I was checking often).  Maybe it was
>just some rookie cop generating lots of paperwork in an attempt to
>look like real work was getting done.  But I don't think a real cop
>put the sticker on my car.  There was no badge number or name, just
>a phone number and "Joe's Wrecker Service" (or whoever).  The sticker
>didn't look like an official city document.  Maybe they didn't want
>they car, but just the "fees" for towing and storage.  I knew someone
>that had to grease the city's tow yard $200 to get his car back after
>they towed it off one weekend while he was out of town.  It's bulls**t,
 >but he didn't want to take days off work to go file in small claims
>court and do all that other junk.  It was cheaper to just hand over
>the cash and be done with it. > That is exactly how we get decent cars
in our tow yard. My 75 H/O was acquired that way. It was left behind a
garage for 3 months with expired plates. Cops kept an eye on it and
towed it. Here (Akron, OH) the police really crack down on abandoned
cars, expired plates cars, or cars on blocks. People usually come in
yelling at us for towing their car, but it is the Akron police that had
the car towed. Akron sets the rates and fines for this also. It is a
minimum of $150 to get the car back and each day it sets in our yard
another $7 is added for storage (a rate set by city council...dad gets
$2...city gets $5!)  Illegal towing does go on. IF a wrecker guy wants a
car he may do what you described, I have heard of it happening before.
It is cheaper to grease the tow yard than to go to court. Every court
case I have heard of in Akron regarding  abandoned cars has gone in
favor of the police and towing company. Like the police would really
lose.....


- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
Sports Administration graduate student at Kent State University
88 Camaro Iroc-Z/28...see it in the December issue of Chevy High
Performance 80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30.... see it at
http://www.442.com/labay.html

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From: Dennis Sytsma <dsytsma@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 19:58:06 -0400
Subject: slipping transmission

Hello;
I own a 1970 olds 98 LS with a 400 THD transmission that slips at low
rpm.  When you consider that the car has 184,000 miles on it without any
 service except for a filter change 100,000 miles ago, this is pretty
good service.  I plan to remove the transmission and rebuild it.
Please recommend what parts to replace and inspect.  Any tips are
welcome. thanks. e mail me!


Dennis Sytsma
dsytsma@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

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From: DrkSole@aol.com
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 20:14:03 -0400
Subject: Re: 72 Hurst/Olds

In a message dated 96-11-01 15:11:04 EST, you write:

>The U stands for a 455 automatic car and M for built in Lansing.  Look
on >the cowl tag for paint code -   - .  The double dashes is a special
paint >code for the H/O.

>Look for the plague on the glovebox door.

That must have been one of those rare dealer options, right? ;)
DrkSole
 73 Cultass Supreme
 67 Delta 88

------------------------------

From: VUBS79A@prodigy.com (MR DREW A DURIGAN)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 19:45:09 -0400
Subject: the city vs your car

>>Lots of cities have laws to tow cars away if
 - car hasn't moved in X days,
 - car is not drivable
   (this can mean anything from immobile, aka up on blocks,
    to not leagal to drive, as in your seatbelt is too tattered
    or whatever other silly reason someone wants to give)
 - car is not currently licensed/inspected, <<

This is a perfect example of the gradual erosion of private property
rights in this country.  Used to be that, unless you were endangering
or blatantly disturbing your neighbors, what you did on your own
property was your own damn business.  Now, the government has license
to come onto YOUR property and remove YOUR property (car) if it
doesn't meet the standards that THEY have imposed.  Pretty pathetic
when you stop and think about it, isn't it?

(Stepping off the political soapbox...)


- -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-

------------------------------

From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 20:16:35 -0400
Subject: T-3's, junkyard finds

Well, I went junkyard hopping today after work.  Found lots of 81-87(?)
Cutlasses, and one 1968 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe convertible with the top
down.  Not much salvagable on it.  It looked like it sat outside for a
long time with the top down.  Bucket seats were trashed.  Well, the
_whole interior_ was trashed.  The engine and tranny (automatic) had
just been pulled today (didn't look at it, maybe I should?), and the
hood was in the car.  Not much good sheetmetal, either.  Pretty rusty.
I did save one front turn signal lens (the other was smashed) and the
tail light lenses are salvagable, though I didn't get them.  I saved the
body tag on the cowl, well, just for the heck of it.  There was a bunch
of chrome in the trunk. Anybody need it?  Looked like wheel well chrome,
chrome for the side of the car (fenders, doors, etc).  Also "S" emblems
for I'm guessing the side of the front fenders and the front of the
hood.  If anybody needs it, I'll go back and look at it.  It didn't look
kinked, maybe a little bent, but definitely repairable.  Anybody need
this stuff??  Engine parts, trim, tail light lenses, turn signal lens?

Also, I've got a full set of original working T-3 headlights, two
low/high and two high, for sale.  I also have one extra low/high, and an
extra high, but the extra high doesn't work.  Make me an offer if you
need them. - -- Dave Paulison                  1969 Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

------------------------------

From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@DADC.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:57:17 -0400
Subject: Re: 1971 cutlass convertible

>jmartin wrote:
>>
>> Dear Olds Lover,
>>   I am in the process of restoring an olds. I need all the help
>> I can get. John Martin
>>            6, San Antonio Circle
>>            Monroe,NY 10950
>>            jmartin@monroe.ny.frontiercomm.net

>Dear John:

> I own a '71 Cutlass conv. that needs lots of restoring. So far I have
>replaced the door hinges on driver's side, replaced door
weatherstiping, >bought new glove box, had vinyl along top of windshield
replaced, >purchased new pearl interior(to be installed), rebuilt carb
and added >manual choke. I am saving money to buy new exhaust. I like
the Year One >and Oldsmobile USA catalogs for parts. I also purchased a
1971 >Oldsmobile Service Manual. If you know where I can get a trunk lid
let >me know. I also need a left front fender. Luckily my right fender
is >rust free, those are harder to get.

>Brendan P. Foley
>St.Louis, MO.  71 Cutlass Conv.


Brendan
and everyone else

 You can try Brother's Automotive in St. Joseph, MO or call Bob Cline at
Desert Dog Auto Parts.  If you are a member of OCA you will be familiar
with his name as he is the club advisor for 68-72 442 W-30's.  I bought
a 69 W-31 Cutlass from him along with a core support for my 71 Skylark
convertible.  Very knowledgable and friendly, at least he was with me.
He is located outside of Chicago, phone number (708) 409-1040.  The
area codes outside of Chicago have changed, but I'm not sure if his has
changed.  If it has let me know and I'll look up the new area code.
Let him know I sent you.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN

69 Cutlass W-31
2 66 GTO's - 1 is a parts car
71 Skylark custom convertible - for sale
89  Mustang 5.0 LX Hatchback

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 20:39:11 -0400
Subject: Re: slipping transmission

 When you consider that the car has 184,000 miles on it without any
>service except for a filter change 100,000 miles ago


Keep in mind that recommended filter change intervals is 20000 miles.  I
don't know of a car on the road that gets ~that~ kind of service.  Then
when they go out after 200000 miles with no filter changes, gee who
could expect!?!?  What junk, eh?  Run 'em 10 times over their service
plans, and the just start to go.  Much worse than the old clutch and
stiff leg, ya know!


 >>>Aside from all the sarcasm, I would ~really~ like a five speed in
the Rockit, but I gotta stick up for my autos, too :)

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 20:39:08 -0400
Subject: Re: the city vs your car

>That is exactly how we get decent cars in our tow yard. My 75 H/O was
>acquired that way.

 the police
>really crack down on abandoned cars, expired plates cars, or cars on
blocks. >People usually come in yelling at us for towing their car, but
it is the >Akron police that had the car towed. Akron sets the rates and
fines for this >also. It is a minimum of $150 to get the car back and
each day it sets in >our yard another $7 is added for storage (a rate
set by city council...dad >gets $2...city gets $5!) >

That's how I ended up with my '83.  The original owner had been arrested
for DUI, and left the car sitting in front of a business.  18 hours
later, the headlights gave their final wimper (since he didn't shut them
off...) the next day, the business pushed the car out of their approach,
so it wasn't blocking traffic.  After sitting a couple more days, I
commented to a friend that they aren't coming back for their car.  We
~actually~ contemplated stealing it!  Would have been easy, but none of
us had the guts, or the heart, to do that sort of thing.  A couple days
later it was gone.  I had left a note in it saying I was interested if
they ever wanted to sell it.
     <Time Warp>
A bit over a year later, I was giving the owner of a towing company a
ride back to his yard.  (We were working on a car of his, or something
like that...)  I saw the car sitting in their yard, with inches of dust
on it.
I tested the waters a bit, and eventually offerred him $300 for it.  (I
drove it home later that day!)  I've had it for over a year and a half,
now, and still don't have a legal title for it, so I can't drive it.
(They busted me when they figured out that ~two~ of my cars said "Rockit
1" on the plates, but I got away with it for more than a year!)
     I've written to the previous owner to try to get the title signed,
but I've never heard a response.  I've talked to some friends of the old
owner, but no luck.  We're currently doing a sheriff's sale on it, where
another salvage lot that I'm in really well with is adding it in with
some more of his cars.  By the time it comes for sale, it will have been
in lot storage (of ~some~ form) for three years.  At $7.00 a day, you
can imagine no one will buy it.  ESPECIALLY when it has no doors,
interior, removable body panels, T-Tops, and whatever else will fit in
my living room when the time to offer it up comes!!!  When no one buys
it, they will send the title off to the state, and give me a new one, in
my name.  ~Maybe~ next winter I'll be able to drive it again...

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 20:39:06 -0400
Subject: Re: To ~all~ mid 80's Cutlass fans...

>
>     Where'd you get the hood scoop from, and how much?  I hope you'll
put >     up pictures!

Came from Dave Worthington in Ohio, found in the Oldsifieds.  $240
shipped. Too cool.  I called him and said I'd take it, then a couple
hours later, I found out I needed tires *badly*!!  The old Discover card
got used up that day...



      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: Blair Rendell <brendell@pi.pro.ec>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:42:25 -0400
Subject: Re: 1971 cutlass convertible

At 05:00 PM 11/1/96 -0400, you wrote:

>
>Dear John:
>
>	I own a '71 Cutlass conv. that needs lots of restoring. So far I have
>replaced the door hinges on driver's side, replaced door
weatherstiping, >bought new glove box, had vinyl along top of windshield
replaced, >purchased new pearl interior(to be installed), rebuilt carb
and added >manual choke. I am saving money to buy new exhaust. I like
the Year One >and Oldsmobile USA catalogs for parts. I also purchased a
1971 >Oldsmobile Service Manual. If you know where I can get a trunk lid
let >me know. I also need a left front fender. Luckily my right fender
is >rust free, those are harder to get. > >Brendan P. Foley >St.Louis,
MO.		71 Cutlass Conv. > > >Hello Brendan: I have a 71 442 
convertible
and was told that a trunk lid off of a 4 door 70-72 Cutlass will fit.
You might find a 4 dr car with a good lid easier than a 2 dr. Hope this
helps.     Blair Rendell

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From: VUBS79A@prodigy.com (MR DREW A DURIGAN)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 21:10:41 -0400
Subject: Replacing ECM (computer)  Advice needed

Well, I've finally managed to track down the source of my
intermittent "service engine soon" problem (thanks to Henry!)  It's
the ECM (computer)  When the light comes on, car runs way too rich
and the speedometer and odometer don't register.  If I push or pull
on the ECM box, the light will go off and things usually return to
normal.

Sooo.....I have two questions:


1) What does one of these go for these days?  New?  From a salvage
yard?  Is an aftermarket unit okay, or do I need a "genuine" (and
expensive) replacement from the GM dealer.

2) How does one best go about dismantling the right side of the dash
and removing/installing the ECM?

The car is a 1987 Buick Somerset.  2.5L-4cylinder (151 CID)  Auto
trans.  ECM is located on the inside firewall, behind the glove box.

Thanks!

- -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-


PS...Oldsmobiles?  Uh, yeah...well, my Somerset shares it's power
train with lotsa Cutlass Calais and Cieras! <g>

------------------------------

From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:10:46 -0400
Subject: Re: for the Oldsmobile Enthusiast

Spud wrote:
>Heidi came through.  Today I received my requested copy of "Aids for
>the Oldsmobile Enthusiast," with revision date March 1, 1996.

Yes, she did... I got mine today too...

Thanks, Heidi!
Mike


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
Teleflex E-Mail: TFX!TFXTROYMI!TFXTROYPO!mikeh@tfx.attmail.com
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

------------------------------

From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 01:22:37 -0400
Subject: Re: for the Oldsmobile Enthusiast

Mike Hall wrote:
>
> Spud wrote:
> >Heidi came through.  Today I received my requested copy of "Aids for
> >the Oldsmobile Enthusiast," with revision date March 1, 1996.
>
> Yes, she did... I got mine today too...
>
> Thanks, Heidi!
> Mike
>
> Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
> Home E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
> Teleflex E-Mail: TFX!TFXTROYMI!TFXTROYPO!mikeh@tfx.attmail.com
> The Oldsmobile Stable:
>      1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
>      1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

I received my bood from Heidi. Couldn't have come at a better timme than
 for the holidays. Reggie Goble 69 Toronado jgoble@nishanet.com

------------------------------

From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Date: Sun, 3 Nov 1996 01:32:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Resto  Tips  .....

Mike Frederick wrote:
>
> Joe Ferrero wrote:
> >
> > Put that guitar to good use!!!
> >
> > 2 people and a guitar string make a great windshield removal tool!
>
> Send the guitars to me; I send all the strings you need back to you.
;) > > The 66 Toro and Mike > > -- > Michael R. Frederick, CEO
Edison3, Incorporated >      Tampa, Florida           Data Translation &
Communication >      (813) 210-8649
http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

I bet a piano wire would work well. I need to stop my front windshield
from leaking. Is this a way to do that, use a wire to cut the seal and
then lift out the windshield. What would you use to reseal under the
glass, is there a kit?
Thanks
Reggie (69 Toronado)
jgoble@nishanet.com

------------------------------

From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 22:44:36 -0400
Subject: Coolant recovery

Does anybody have a method for effective cleaning of a coolant recovery
bottle??  I got one today out of a '71 Buick for my Olds, and the white
opaque plastic is rather filthy.  Other than cleaning the actual grime
off of it (which I _think_ I can handle without help), is there a way to
restore the look (color) of the plastic?  The top of it is black
plastic; can that be restored as well?

Thanks!
- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

------------------------------

From: Dennis W Johnson <dwjohnso@sunbird.usd.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 23:05:10 -0400
Subject: Re: the city vs your car

On Fri, 1 Nov 1996, MR DREW A DURIGAN wrote:
> >>Lots of cities have laws to tow cars away if
>  - car hasn't moved in X days,
>  - car is not drivable
>    (this can mean anything from immobile, aka up on blocks,
>     to not leagal to drive, as in your seatbelt is too tattered
>     or whatever other silly reason someone wants to give)
>  - car is not currently licensed/inspected, <<

> This is a perfect example of the gradual erosion of private property
> rights in this country.  Used to be that, unless you were endangering
> or blatantly disturbing your neighbors, what you did on your own
> property was your own damn business.  Now, the government has license
> to come onto YOUR property and remove YOUR property (car) if it
> doesn't meet the standards that THEY have imposed.  Pretty pathetic
> when you stop and think about it, isn't it?
>   (Stepping off the political soapbox...)
> -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-

One of the excuses they give is that the car does not meet the state
requirements for safe driving.  Actually the state probably does not
care what you do with it once you license it.  If you license it and
don't drive it you will have paid the tax and gotten nothing in return.
An ideal taxpayer.  Kind of like paying school tax when you don't have
children.
 dj

------------------------------

From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 18:43:34 -0400
Subject: Re: IRC

Wednesday works for me, but Thursday is much better.

> The best thing would probably be to take a poll to see if we have
enough > people interested to join in on a given night. You really need
more than > 2 or 3 to have a decent chat session. What if I suggest next
Wednesday at > 9PM Eastern - that will give people enough time to set up
their client > software if they don't have it and check out irc in
general in the > meantime. > > What does everyone think? > > Greg
Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 23:40:15 -0400
Subject: Car Jokes

I know all you out there have some great car jokes to tell, so please
send them to ME!  Please do NOT post them on the Olds page, they take up
 time, space, and kinda piss people off that don't want them.  Please
include any previous jokes that have been posted on the Olds page.
Thanks Brad bodog@napanet.net

------------------------------

From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 01:46:11 -0400
Subject: Re: slipping transmission

> Hello;
> I own a 1970 olds 98 LS with a 400 THD transmission that slips at low
> rpm.  When you consider that the car has 184,000 miles on it without
any > service except for a filter change 100,000 miles ago, this is
pretty good

> service.  I plan to remove the transmission and rebuild it.  Please
> recommend what parts to replace and inspect.  Any tips are welcome.
> thanks.
> Dennis Sytsma
> dsytsma@dcfreenet.seflin.lib.fl.us

Try to get "How to Work with and Modify the Turbo-Hydramatic 400
Transmission" by Ron Sessions, publised by Motorbooks International.
Very useful ...

There are lots of possibilities with a transmission with that kind of
mileage, but if the fluid level is good you've probably got cluch plates
that have had their friction material worn off or glazed over the years.
 If you can find a cooperative mechanic, you can test the
transmission's oil pressure; this will help determine if the problem it
mechanical or hydraulic related.  Of course, the governor, vacuum
modulator, or valve body could also be causing the trouble. 	One word
of advice.  Since you are going to remove it, replace everything that
can be replaced.  I had a 75 Delta 88 whose TH375 went after 130,000
miles (clutch plates were burned).  A local mechanic replaced the
plates, but did not (it turned out) replace a number of seal rings.  It
failed again 20,000 miles later.

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 02:50:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: The Painful Truth...(long)

In a message dated 96-10-28 15:54:40 EST, you write:

<< Have you driven the W-body Cutlass with the FE3 suspension or an
 International Series (FE3 std.)?  Great handling, great ride, like the
 Lumina Euro, I can slide the rear in the corners.  Did a 180 one day -
 pretty stupid on a blind curve!!!

It would have been nice to compare the upgrade models to the Lumina
Euro, but I didn't have that opyion, although, niether did the Regal
(power everything, but nothy unusual about the suspension, etc.), and
that was better than the Olds.

 The base Cutlass was/is a bit boring.  The I/S was/is pretty nice.  No
 cruddy escort/tempo/thunderbird/mustang knobs and door locks.  I guess
F*rd
 decided you could have something other than black, but switches are
another
 matter.

Glad I'm not the only one who hates those cheap looking knobs!

 For trivia sake, did your '89's rear view mirror obstruct the driver's
 visor?  Did the passenger power lock switch have "LOCK" written on the
 unlocking side of the switch?

 David Brown  >>

Nope, didn't pay/don't remember any of that stuff, just beat....
errr.... drove it and ditched it back to the company to sell.

Chris.

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 02:50:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Question

In a message dated 96-10-28 16:27:42 EST, you write:

<< >I just bought a 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass with a 350 Rocket 2 bbl
motor. Where
 >can i find a replacement 350 Rocket sticker for the air cleaner. I
have been
 >looking all over for one. Any direction would be great.

 Oldsmbolie USA. >>
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Is that a new car company, or just an oddly named city that sells
stickers for cars?!?!?!

Chris.

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 02:51:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Cutlass Courtship

In a message dated 96-10-29 10:58:51 EST, you write:

<< I have always admired the 81-88 vintage Cutlass, and have thought
that I
 wouldn't mind having one someday (along with an 80-85 Delta 2-door, a
 54-57 hardtop, the 70-71 SX or 4-4-2 convert... you get the idea). For
a
 long time now I have noticed one every day while walking to work in the

 morning. It's of unknown vintage (I think 83 to 86), sort of an
 off-white, with a very dark half-vinyl roof, T-tops, SSIIIs, and
 absolutely pristine despite being driven to work every day. That is
rare
 for these cars around here, because most of them have succumbed to the
 rust bug. This one looks extremely well-taken care of. >>

I agree with you, I've always liked these cars, and was happy to get my
'81.
 It was in rough shape, had some 15 in. Amer. Racing Rims with short
tires all the way around (one of which is slightly bent, but it's
amazing what some balancing can do for that...), it had a 260
(ughhhh...) in it, but I did pay $550 for it, and the interior is in
pretty decent condition.  I have to fix a few rust spots, and replace a
door/skin, since the bottom of the door on driver's side show daylight
on the bottom when looking down into it.

Chris.

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 02:50:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Intake Gaskets

In a message dated 96-10-29 10:54:27 EST, you write:

<< I guess I should consider myself lucky. When I replaced the lifters
on my
 '68 350 this summer, the original intake gasket was 2 separate strips
on
 either bank, with rubber seals at the front and back of the valley. It
 was replaced with a one-piece "turkey tray" style (don't know the
 manufacturer) that we had kicking around here. We had to remove a metal

 tray that was mounted under the intake to get this to fit (I assume it
 collected oil somehow, don't know exactly), and used silicone
gasketmaker
 liberally on all 4 corners of the intake and in conjunction with the
 rubber seals at either end. Not a leak in sight!
  >>

I've had an intake off my olds. motors twice and used a Fel-Pro, and
Detroit Gasket "turkey tray" style of intake pan, and I haven't seemed
to have had a problem with any leaks (air, or oil).  It was also easier
to use than those damned gasket I used in the Chevy 350 once (four peice
set-up, one for each head, etc.) since they have the nice dowels for the
pan to set on, and have the dowels hold it in place.  With the two peice
design, the damned things were a pain to get lined up, etc.

BTW, I am just about to replace the gasket (again) on my new motor (the
temp one) and I will use the Fel-Pro one again.  Detroit's was fine, but
Fel-Pro included a tube of sealant of some sort, that you use on the
water jacket areas, and around the intake ports, to help selaing, along
with the ridged areas around the intake ports, which squish to proper
size when torqued.

Chris.

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 02:51:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Distributor advice wanted

In a message dated 96-10-29 11:41:39 EST, you write:

<< Well hmm.  Maybe "bog" was a bad choice of words.  I'll put it
 like this.  If I'm sitting there in park/neutral the engine is
 very responsive to the throttle.  However it does sound to me like
 the secondaries only open slightly if at all when I absolutly mash
 the pedal from idle, and not at all if I am even slightly less
 leadfooted.  However, when i get the engine in gear and start
 going down the road there is a definite point in the pedal beyond
 which the power drops off CONSIDERABLY.  If I ease back on the
 pedal the engine will get its power back and accellerate on up
 well enough.  If I stay on the pedal it sits there trying and
 trying and eventually it will get up to speed, sometime after the
 bicycles have passed me.  I'm not sure, but that point in the
 pedal may be where the secondaries (try to) open up.  I keep
 thinking I'll do some runs with the hood and air cleaner off to
 see what is going on with the carb.  Actually what I'd really like
 to do is mount a video camera over the engine and get it on tape,
 but that's not very likely. :)
  >>

Hmm...  I'm not sure what others think, but in this case, I'm going to
take my guess and say that I think it may be carb. related, possibly the
accelerator pump that is suuposed to give a shot of gas when the pedal
is pushed.  Typically when that goes, and you go and mash the pedal, it
tends to "bog" or not go anywhere, when it should.  At least that's been
my expirience.

As for sitting in park and mashing the trottle, I'm not sure the
secondaries on the Q-jet would open, unless you really revved the hell
out of it (somebody else tell me if I'm wrong here) but the engine under
load will require more gas/intake to go, but when in a no load
situation, I don't think it reuires that much gas to rev. it a decent
amount.

Chris.

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 05:34:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Replacing ECM (computer)  Advice needed

)  It's
>the ECM (computer)  When the light comes on, car runs way too rich
>and the speedometer and odometer don't register.  If I push or pull
>on the ECM box, the light will go off and things usually return to
>normal.
>

Be careful not to overlook the obvious.  So many of those are nothing
worse than bad connections.  I'd first pull the plug and inspect/tighten
all those little terminals in there.  If that does nothing, then I'd
look at the ECM. If I remember right (of course we all know how ~that~
goes...) those years had unprotected quad drivers in the ECM, so they
did fry fairly easily.  I'm not sure when they put the current limiters
in them.  Usually the quad drivers controlled four different items
(logically) or two heavier loads (injectors, etc)  so keep an eye out
for other vehicle faults that may be traced down to a single driver.
This will also help ~officially~ condemn the ECM.  Some dealers ~might~
have a listing of the specific quad driver functions.  It can be
compared to a fuse.  Say, for instance, your dome light doesn't work.
Check the book and see that the same fuse controls the dome light, horn,
and trunk release.  Without even grabbing a tester, you can check the
horn, and trunk release, and if they don't work, then you can feel
pretty safe about looking for a fuse.  If you find that the quad driver
controls the AIR bypass solenoid, purge control solenoid, speed signal
output, and uh, I don't know, maybe automatic headlight dimmer or
something, (I'm just making these up as an example, I GUARANTEE you will
not find it like that on the car!) you can go through and test the other
three functions (where applicable) and back-up your assumption of the
faulty ECM.  I don't know if the speed signal goes through a quad
driver, but it may help to keep this stuff in mind.
     The simple fact is that probably over 90% of faulty ECM's are not
faulty at all, but faulty diagnosis.  At better than (guessing) $300 a
crack, you ~really~ want to be sure...  Knowing that you can trigger the
problem by wiggling the ECM does certainly narrow it down a bit, but
there's still a high possibility of simple wiring problems, which are
really common. I'd check there first, and long before writing out the
check... :)
     Good luck...

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 05:34:51 -0400
Subject: '89 Cutlass door handle -ext.

     My old roommate needs the outside door handle for the driver's side
of his '89 Cutlass.  Some big chunk of aluminum or that pot metal crap
fell out of the door, and it (allegedly) was part of the handle (He
swears it actually fit in the doorpost!)  Anyway, does anyone know of a
place to find one of these for, say $50 or less?  He's gotten prices of
around $80 for a new one.  He lives in Missoula, MT, so if there is
anyplace around there, it might be even better.   Thanks!

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

------------------------------

From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 05:03:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Hagerty Insurance

Darren,
  I'm not trying to sound smart, but tis is no secrect among us
classic Olds owners, I don't think at least.  Classic insurance has
been around for a while, and I insure my '68 442 convertable for
$12,000 (replacement value), and will probably up that to $15,000
this spring.  I go through J.C. Taylor.  Yep, it's a good deal!

Craig D.

>Date:		Wed, 30 Oct 1996 15:17:00 -0400
>From:	ndg@traverse.com (Nielsen Design Group)
>Sender:	oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>cc:	wittchri@pilot.msu.edu
>Subject:	Hagerty Insurance
>
>Whoa,
>
>Just got off the phone with Hagerty Insurance as I want to insure
my two
> 68's
>for winter storage. They are amazing- they'll insure for full
collector
> value
>on appropriate vehicles.
>
>I told them everything about the cars: the 442 is a resto project
partway
>completed, has about $3000 in engine receipts, buckets just
reupholstered
>by Barrett's Auto Trim in Traverse City, Mich (Sweeeet- look like
new!).
>
>Told them what I told you bout the Delmont. So they are insuring
the 442
>for $6000 replacement value, the Delmont for $5000 replacement
value. They
>didn't have problems with these values: For instance, they showed
a Delmont
>in #1 condition at $6700, #2 condition at $4700. I said it may not
be quite
>a 2, they said no problem insuring at $5000.
>
>To insure *both* cars for storage comp in the winter and "pleasure
driving" >full coverage in the summer was only $100!!!! Unbelievable but
true! I'd >recommend them to anyone for classic cars as they seem to
really care about >preserving classics such as our Oldsmobiles. > >The
only stipulation is that your car must be either 25 years old or a
>"modern-day classic" i.e. new Ferraris and such. > >CALL THEM! >
>616.947.6868 >Ask for Jennifer Wylie, tell her I sent you... > >-Darren
Shroeger > 68 442 4 spd; 68 Delmont > >Nielsen Design Group >114 East
Front Street >Traverse City, Michigan 49684 >t:616.946.0925
>f:616.946.2363 >e:ndg@traverse.com > > >

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From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 05:06:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Hagerty Insurance

Of course,
  With the Classic Insurance, you are only allowed 2500 miles per
year on the car and are required to get at least one plaque or
certificate from a car show per year.  This is why it's such a good
deal.  You just can't drive it all over the place or anything like
that.

Just informing,
  Craig Dobbins.



>Date:		Wed, 30 Oct 1996 22:03:37 -0400
>From:	Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
>Sender:	oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>To:	"Olds E-Mail News" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Subject:	Re: Hagerty Insurance
>
>Darren Shroeger wrote:
>>To insure *both* cars for storage comp in the winter and
"pleasure driving
>"
>>full coverage in the summer was only $100!!!! Unbelievable but
true! I'd
>>recommend them to anyone for classic cars as they seem to really
care abou
>t
>>preserving classics such as our Oldsmobiles.
>
>GREAT info, my wife works for an insurance company and I don't
come close
>to that even with a 25% discount... I think I will call tomorrow.
>
>
>Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville,
Michigan
>Home E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
>Teleflex E-Mail: TFX!TFXTROYMI!TFXTROYPO!mikeh@tfx.attmail.com
>The Oldsmobile Stable:
>     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
>     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy
one...
>
>
>

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From: Blair Rendell <brendell@pi.pro.ec>
Date: Sat, 2 Nov 1996 12:21:52 -0400
Subject: Mustang enthusiasts nightmare..part 1

HI Olds people:
  I have a FORD story..I know this is an Olds mailing list but the story
is just tooooo good. I am a Canadian living and working in Quito,
Ecuador. I work in the jungle, mostly, with a Siesmic company..Well I
met this  fellow Canadian in the camp from Edmonton, Alberta, musclecar
fanatic who has  been to Peru for some work. He relates this story:
  He was at a garage in ------ , Peru  (car is MINE..don't get any
ideas) :) anyway this 1968 Mustang Shelby GT-500 pulls up to the
pumps.....this Canadian guy nearly falls down with shock..a SHELBY..here
in Peru??? Sure enough..he looks the car all over and it seems
authentic..with complete equip.rollbar, inertia reel seatbelts, Shelby
wooden strg wheel,all interior Shelby tags, fibreglass hood, and
exterior brake scoops..etc. HAS to be the real thing..nobody here would
add on these parts.. Sound good?? Well get this..he pops the hood and he
has transplanted a DATSUN 4cyl and 5sp trans in place of the original
428 4sp!!!!!! AND he is PROUD of this fact..he said the other eng burnt
tooo much gas!! So he changed it out  about 20yrs ago..so my friend here
took some pictures and I am planning a trip there to see if there is any
way he will part with it...he SAYS he knows where the original engine
is...hard to believe but I will have the pictures and will get them
scanned in about 2 weeks. The car is certainly not mint..body wise
anyway....but is all there and to the owner is just an old car..might be
had for reasonable price. I can ship to Florida for about 1 thousand$ .
  My brother has 68 Shelby GT-500 Convertible and I am saving this story
for him when I get the pics..yes I have doubts, too..I want pics..but
this guy in the camp is legit and would not make this up. Anyway stay
tuned for part 2 of this story!!
  In Olds cars..I was looking at a 1969 Vista barge here in Quito that I
can get for 2000$.  In decent shape..but has a CHEVY (yuck) engine in
it..they liking doing stuff like that here. Its done out of necessity..
But NOTHING will ever beat a Datsun powered Shelby! And I don't mean in
a race! the story! Hmmm now where IS that Mustang Shelby mailing
list....
                                                        Blair Rendell
                                                        71 442 W30
Convert.

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