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oldsmobile-digest         Monday, 18 November 1996      Volume 01 :
Number 370


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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:07:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Speedometer

In a message dated 96-11-16 02:48:29 EST, you write:

>  My next
>  donor (a '67 98 LS) is the same way, FWIW.

Could we have little more information on this car?  Some of on this list
own '67 Ninety Eights, ya know....

Paul
'67 Ninety Eight Holiday Coupe

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:08:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Old's for sale.

In a message dated 96-11-16 02:48:30 EST, you write:

> '79 Olds Cutlass supreme.  19,000 original miles.  Like new condition.
 >  >      350 V8 _factory_4_speed_ custom wheels, pin striping.  $4650
 >  >     208-687-2526. >  > >  >     Has anyone ever seen a
factory 4 speed in a '79 before? > >       4Speed Auto, perhaps?...
700R4, 2004R,  I'll stop before I hit Lenco
 :
> )
>

According to my '79 Specs book, a 350 was not available in the Supreme.
The largest V8 you could get was a gas 305, but the 4spd manual was
available with that motor.

Also, I don't think the Automatic Overdrive was available until '81.

Maybe the ad is a typo and it's a '69 Supreme with a 350 and a 4speed.
That would be possible.

Paul

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:09:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Production Figures

At 10:18 PM 11/16/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>>1. What are the branded vehicle's GM produced; other than the usual,
>>>Oldsmobile, Buick, Chevrolet, Pontiac,    Cadillac and Oakland.
There are a >>>number of others?  Their own brand names, not special
production of some one >>>else's brand. >> >>Hmmm, LaSalle, GM (the new
Impact), GMC, Saturn, Geo (no, I'm not proud of >>it either, but GM
actually produces the cars in that NUMMI plant), and going >>overseas,
we have Opel and Holden (Australia and South Africa). What else >>was
there? >> >>Oh, if you're talking about the early years, don't you have
Elmore, >>Cartercar, Marquette, Welch, and the truckmakers Rapid,
Randolph and >>Reliance, which were all folded into GMC.

There was the Canadian "McLaughlin Motor Car Company Ltd.", which was
merged with Chevy to form GM of Canada, and the Peninsular Motor Company
(did they actually make cars?).

There was also Viking, which was an upscale "companion" make to
Oldsmobile (how could I forget *that* one???) that wasn't much more than
a one-year wonder.

And does "White Trucks" (the make, not the color) belong to GM these
days?

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Std. Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block
boys) - - 1978 Electra Limited Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 02:01:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Omega's

>          Note to Jason:  I'd be really surprised to find out that the
>          Apollo in your yard came with that 455 from the factory.
After >          all, the hottest Nova was the SS396 (Yenko and Nickey
excepted), >          and that was only made in 69-70, if I remember
correctly. > Well I dug out the old paperwork from that car
and discovered the vin showed it as a 350 engine so it must have been a
transplant (lesson-look closer at the numbers next time Jason!)  I was
looking in the Collector Car and Truck price guide and noticed that the
1974 Pontiac GTO had a 455 (250hp) as an option. A 4-speed could also be
had.  I am ~sorta positive~ that the 74 GTO was based on the
Ventura/Apollo/Omego body style??? Anyone verify this? - - - - - - - - -
- - - Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
Sports Administration graduate student at Kent State University 88
Camaro Iroc-Z/28...see it in the December issue of Chevy High
Performance 80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30.... see it at
http://www.442.com/labay.html

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 01:56:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Horn relay, glowing GEN light

At 00:38 11/15/1996 +0000, you wrote:
>
>> The battery charges fine, starts every time, etc, I just have that
dumb GEN >> idiot light glowing all the time. > >Remember the other day
I said I had a solid-state regulator that went bad >on me? That was the
symptom. Is your regulator solid-state as opposed to >the points kind?
Might be the problem. > >Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada >
 I had the same problem with my GEN light staying on after I was fooling
around with some of the wires under dash and plugged in an orange one
where it wasn't supposed to be plugged in to. I know, didn't my mother
tell me not to put things where they didn't belong??? Did you do any
wiring changes lately? Hope this helps....

Brad  '68 Cutlass S Convertible

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From: George Torch <curiousg@crown.icongrp.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 05:00:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Older Olds. Parts found!

CRuper1@aol.com wrote:
>
> Ok guys and gals, I've found a few things at the local "old cars"
scrap yard. >  I just had a chance this morning to go out there and look
around for an hour > so I didn't get to see everything that may be out
there.  (I knew this place > was there, and had alot of cars there, alot
of late 50ish to early 70's cars, > etc. there.  And they don't crush
stuff as far as I can tell, since I noticed > cars that were there since
the last time I was there, which was about 10 > years ago when I was
looking for parts to my '63 Ford Galaxy.)  I did find a > few things
though, here they are. > > First, I found two Olds 350 motors with what
looked like fuel injection > manifolds on them, cid. was cast into the
block, so they had to be '77 or > newer.  There of course were quite a
few Olds. 350 motors I found, but I'm > not sure about any other sizes,
and I didn't "just find" anything that was > older in terms of motors,
but I didn't have time to look, and I'm sure > there's some out there.
He said there were quite a few late 60's/early 70's > Cutlasses out
there (half dozen or so), along with a few wagons from that > time
frame, etc., so the older parts should be there. > > My main reason to
go out there was to see if I could find some older heads, > etc. for a
motor, but I found an '82 Calais w/ T-tops, 350, center counsole, >
gauge pack, air, power windows.  I have been interested in finding a
guage > pack for mine, and the center section to convert my bech to
buckets, etc., > but with what I found, maybe mine will get sold, and
I'll build up this one, > didn't have time to ask how much for the whole
car, or to check the car over > good to make sure there are no "major
detriments", etc., cause I would really > love to have T-tops on the
car. > > There's more here than I can go through, or could identify in
a short period > of time, otherwise I'd list off some of the stuff I
could find.  So, question > is...  anybody nearby looking for some
parts, or is curious to see what's > here, care to spend a Saturday
digging around (open 9-5 Mon. thru Sat.), > obviously before it gets
cold, etc.  I live in the area about 80 miles west > of Chicago, Il.
near Beloit, Wis., and the place is nearby.  If anybody wants > to do
so, drop me a line one way or another, and we'll set it up, maybe even >
a group of people. > > Chris Ruper > CRuper1@aol.com

Chris,
  I live in NW Indiana and I'm very interested in visiting this junk
yard.  Everybody around here crushes cars within a week or two after
receiving them and you would be lucky to find something from the 70's
let alone the 50's and 60's.
  Can you give me the address of this place?  Sounds like it should be
close to Great America?

  George Torch
 62 Dynamic 88
 66 Corvair Monza
 90 Geo Storm

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 02:22:27 -0400
Subject: 81-87 T-tops and more for sale

My dad informed me that he has a set of T-tops off of an 83 Calais for
sale. Looking to get $150 for the pair.  Also picked up one T-3
headlight if anyone is interested............ - - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
Currently searching for a 91-96 Z/28 or Trans Am 80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30 (
Actually a 4-3-1 W-30  in reality)

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 02:24:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Omega's

At 01:01 AM 11/17/96 -0500, you wrote:
>the numbers next time Jason!)  I was looking in the Collector Car and
Truck >price guide and noticed that the 1974 Pontiac GTO had a 455
(250hp) as an >option. A 4-speed could also be had.  I am ~sorta
positive~ that the 74 GTO >was based on the Ventura/Apollo/Omego body
style??? Anyone verify this?

Yes, it was based on the X-body, but though the 455 was available on the
'73 GTO (based on the A-body Pontiac LeMans), everything I have ever
read on that '74 GTO lamented the fact that it was only available with
the 350. Perhaps the 455 was intended as an option, but never installed?
Or actually installed, but not promoted? Heck, they hardly sold any of
those '74 GTO's anyway, so if anyone found one, it would likely be
one-of-a-kind.

Back to the Oldsmobiles, I was looking one time at an Omega SX back in
the mid-80's as a second car, which I thought might be a nice companion
to my '70 SX. Too bad it only had a V-6 in it, or else I might seriously
have considered it. The emblems on it were huge; I considered ordering a
set to put on my '70. I think the ones from the fwd Omega SX (yeah, they
had an SX option on those as well) were even bigger! I guess the smaller
the motor, the bigger the decals...

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Std. Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block
boys) - - 1978 Electra Limited Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 05:13:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Idiot Light Leaks

On my '66 the guage cluster had foam in part of it cushioning
>the bulbs from shock when the foam wears out, the light leaks over into
>the next light area  If light shows in the
>*other* idiot lights, you've found part of your problem.

Next step is to get a towel, and wipe up all that damn light that leaked
out!    :)

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 05:13:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Speedometer

>In a message dated 96-11-16 02:48:29 EST, you write:
>
>>  My next
>>  donor (a '67 98 LS) is the same way, FWIW.
>
>Could we have little more information on this car?  Some of on this
list own >'67 Ninety Eights, ya know....

It ~will~ be mine...  What more do you need to know?!  :)  It's
currently sitting on a salvage lot (with a hold-for-me order on it...)
waiting for me to have a place to put it.  The interior's in decent
shape, and it holds my seat and front end.  It's got the 425 still in it
(supposedly needs rings, I guess.)  There is a "C" head in the trunk,
very rusty, and rumorred to be cracked.  There is one "C" head on the
block, and one "A" ('65 425) head on the other side.  Don't recall what
tranny's there.  Overall, not in too bad of shape, and I really don't
like leaving it sit there, but I'm still without a place to put it, and
my current affairs are, unfortunately, much more pressing than my
convert :(  It ~will~ be mine, tho.  Oh yes, it ~will~ be mine...
(theme song to Wayne's World playing in the background...:) If you have
any particular requests, I could see what it has that I might not need,
etc.  It might be a while before I can get to it, (doing school and
three jobs ~really~ sucks up the time, --and really sucks, period!) but
I could get out there before too awful long, I imagine...  Just give me
a holler, and I'll see what I can find...
     Later...

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 05:13:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Old's for sale.

>According to my '79 Specs book, a 350 was not available in the Supreme.
The >largest V8 you could get was a gas 305, but the 4spd manual was
available >with that motor. > >Also, I don't think the Automatic
Overdrive was available until '81. > Running from memory, I'm certain
the 350 gas was available then.  They offerred it as standard equipment
on the whole line (I think...)  up until '80.  The '81s were the first
to ~not~ have it.  You could still get the 350 Die&Sell, but not gas.
In late '79 GM started the C4 system (Computer Controlled Catalytic
Convertor) which was the predecessor to the Computer Command Control
system, but I'm not sure when or how the trannnys evolved relative to
that.  It seems to me that '81 was the first for the lockup converter,
but I'm unsure about the 4spd autos.  I have a hunch that my '78 Buick
wagon (donor car) had a 2004R, but I can't remember ever checking for
the indicator needle to see if it's OD or not.  Since it's 250 miles
away, I'm not likely to find out for a while...
     Anyway, enuf on that...!


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:07:48 -0400
Subject: Re:

>Since the GEN light, BRAKE
>light and fuel gauge are all on the same printed circuit board, the
false >ground is probably coming from there.  Try cleaning the back of
it, >inspecting it for corrosion, and removing, cleaning, and
re-installing the >harness connectors and light bulb "holders".
>Graham Stewart

Been there, done that...a couple months ago.  Everything looked fine...
- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:43:45 -0400
Subject: Re: JL pace cars and W-31 distributors

>The price tag on the JL original color pace cars is 80.00.  Thanks for
>the inquire.

$80.00???  We're talking about a Hot Wheels sized Johnny Lightning
Oldsmobile pace car?  Man, I need to get into those!  What's the value
of them as listed in the price guide? - -- Dave Paulison
1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Melbourne, Florida             1993
Mitsubishi Eclipse GS dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:48:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Production Figures

>>At 11:09 AM 11/16/96 -0500, you wrote:
>>[snip]
>>>New trivia questions.
>>>1. What are the branded vehicle's GM produced;
>>Hmmm, LaSalle, GM (the new Impact), GMC, Saturn, Geo (no, I'm not
proud of

[*HUGE SNIP*]

>Bob did an excellent job on question one, although there are more.  Hit
No. >2 right on the head.  And gave up on the others. >So keep trying,
and I may be able to think up some more.

Hey folks, how about trimming your replies???  There is no need to
repost entire messages we've seen already (sometimes twice or three
times already...).  Some days I just delete messages with certain sender
names without reading them, because I know they're usually *very long*.
So how about editing your replies, huh? - -- Dave Paulison
1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Melbourne, Florida             1993
Mitsubishi Eclipse GS dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 11:41:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Idiot Light Leaks

>On my '66 the guage cluster had foam in part of it cushioning
>the bulbs from shock when the foam wears out, the light leaks over into
>the next light area. Hence it looks like the light is screwed up, but
it >maybe isn't.

Well, the GEN light is *always* on, by itself (only when the engine is
running); it just gets brighter when the others come on.  I don't have
any light leaks (good thing; it would spill all over my left leg!).  I
checked that when I took out the gauge cluster to inspect/clean the pc
board and connectors. - -- Dave Paulison                  1969
Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Melbourne, Florida             1993
Mitsubishi Eclipse GS dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 21:47:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Omega's

> Well I dug out the old paperwork from that car and discovered the vin
showed > it as a 350 engine so it must have been a transplant
(lesson-look closer at > the numbers next time Jason!)  I was looking in
the Collector Car and Truck > price guide and noticed that the 1974
Pontiac GTO had a 455 (250hp) as an > option. A 4-speed could also be
had.  I am ~sorta positive~ that the 74 GTO > was based on the
Ventura/Apollo/Omego body style??? Anyone verify this? > - - - - - - - -
- - - > Jason Labay

Jason,

The 1974 Ventura GTO was an Omega relative w/a scoop from a TA on it.
It even had 6.6 Liters on the scoop & lots of other decals.  I think
most GTO's of '74 were 350's though.  I was never interested much when
new as I owned real cars at that time.  Most Pontiac enthusiasts hated
them.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@opihi.ohana.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 16:06:33 -0400
Subject: Sept 82 Hot Rod: AV Gas

Okay I dug up the old article for everyone info regarding avation
gasoline.
Red = 80/87 octane = "Designed for older, low-compression aviation
engines.  This fuel is virtually gone today.  It would have an octane
quality lower than today's regular gasoline."
Blue = 100/130 octane = "Easiest to find today, and commonly called 'low
lead'.  Lead levels are low by airplane standards but not by automobile
standards.  Lead levels are 2 grams per gallon."
Green = 100/130 octane = "Difficult to find today but supposedly
available in some places.  It has a very high lead content, from 4 to
4.5 gras per gallon." Purple = 115/145 octane = "Virtually unavailable
today, unless you're the US government.  High-lead content and the
highest performance aviation fuel."

The article goes on to outline the major drawback of AV gas which is
that it is less volatile than automotive gasoline, so cold starts are
harder.

As per the "burning valves and pistons" question...the article states
that the only way that is going to happen is if the fuel is still
oxidizing during the exhaust stroke.  In other words, if the engine is
of the low-compression variety, then don't use AV gas.  (Duh)  Anything
from 10:1 to 12:1 will be sufficient for the slower burn of the AV gas
to be over before the exhaust stroke.  To put it another way, if you
don't need high octane fuel, dont use it.  Accordingly you'd run into
the same problems with high octane racing fuel in the same
engine...there's nothing in the makeup of AV gas that makes it more
dangerous than any other gas of the same octane rating (that last part
was my own deduction).

AV gas has approximately 10% more BTU per gallon than pump gasoline, but
this heat isnt enough to cause damage to your engine.

The article then goes on to discuss the benefits of mixing AV gas with
pump gas (more volatile overall for better starts) and it's cheaper.

In conclusion, legal issues such as the road tax issue are discussed.
The final word seems to be that if you can get it cheaper than racing
fuel and legally, then it's the way to go.

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From: Dave Isho <davei@concentric.net>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 18:44:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Old's for sale.

At 01:08 AM 11/17/96 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 96-11-16 02:48:30 EST, you write:

>

>> '79 Olds Cutlass supreme.  19,000 original miles.  Like new
condition.

>>  >      350 V8 _factory_4_speed_ custom wheels, pin striping.  $4650

>>  >     208-687-2526.

>>  >

>>  >     Has anyone ever seen a factory 4 speed in a '79 before?

>>

>>       4Speed Auto, perhaps?...  700R4, 2004R,  I'll stop before I hit
Lenco

> :

>> )

>>

>

>

>Maybe the ad is a typo and it's a '69 Supreme with a 350 and a 4speed.
That

>would be possible.

>

>Paul


A 69 w/19K miles for $4600 in _like new condition_, I don't think so. If
that is the case, you can bet it's sold!!

Dave Isho - <smaller>67 Cutlass C/S Convertible

</smaller>-------------------------

Mailto:davei@concentric.net

HTTP://www.concentric.net/~davei/

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 19:05:25 -0400
Subject: 1964 98 4 Door

I was doing my regular boneyard run yesterday and came across the
following about a half hour from my home:

1964 4 door 98 (not LS, only vents on the front doors), it was a pretty
original car in not so bad shape for its age. No a/c or anything fancy,
just a nice ol
98.

Dark Blue exterior
Medium to Light blue interior
Good exterior chrome: complete and not too rusty, the stainless parts
were mostly there and could be buffed out to be very nice Electric
windows, system still complete, I would guess Front seat trashed, back
seat o.k., 6 way seat mechanism Wiring harness mostly complete and it
looked like it had been "modified" Grille and front headlights were
good, front bumper not too bad OLDSMOBILE script on the hood was all
there, but would need rechroming, Hood spar was there, but would need
rechroming Rear left taillight broken, I think the right one was good,
at least not obviously bad Windshield cracked, but side and rear glass
looked o.k., again not obviously bad Dash pad was not so hot and the
steering column was a bit abused, but the dash itself wasn't too bad for
a 34 year old piece.

I know these 64's are getting rare and wanted to offer y'all the
opportunity to get at some of these pieces. I was especially thinking of
Esko who's got to have a helluva time finding them in Finland. It's in a
self service yard so parts should be comparatively cheap. The best parts
to me seemed to be the chrome and exterior brightwork.

I don't know how long this car has been or will be there so speak up
this week. Best to reply privately, this probably shouldn't go to the
whole list much farther than this advisory message. thanks. Chris Fair

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 21:39:04 -0400
Subject: Re: JL pace cars and W-31 distributors

In a message dated 96-11-17 13:31:48 EST, you write:

<< $80.00???  We're talking about a Hot Wheels sized Johnny Lightning
 Oldsmobile pace car?  Man, I need to get into those!  What's the value
of
 them as listed in the price guide?
 -- >>

So far at the toy shows, I have seen the original color JL Pace cars
selling for 15 dollars a car which makes it 120.00 for all eight cars.
The collector series 1-6 with wrong cards are only getting 5 to 6
dollars a card.  The orig colors are much harder to come by.

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 22:03:57 -0400
Subject: Re: 69 W-31 tranny code

<< ut for 70's it lists JO as the W-31 transmission code.
 Can I assume that I have the correct transmission?  Also, what do the
350 and D
 stand for and where would the serial number be located?  Thank you in
advance
 for any information you can provide me. >>

The correct trans code is JO for series 32,3600 bodies. JL is the
regular Th350 with a 4bbl.   the serial number is located on the
passenger or right side of trans stamped in the governor cover.  The
code should read

                                    70
                             JO xxx
the xxx represents the day of production such as the 350th day of the
year Julian date

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
(2) 72 442 W-30

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From: Peter Koenig <peter@macrochip.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Nov 1995 22:47:45 -0400
Subject: hey toro owners

I have a 455 engine that I bought a few weeks ago, but isn't quite =
complete.  One of the few thing it is missing is that metal gasket that
= fits between the block and the oil filter holder.  By oil filter
holder = I mean that piece of aluminum that routes oil to the filter,
and = contains the bypass.  I think that last time I rebuilt the 455 it
came = with two of these gaskets - one for the toro (tilted forward
design) and = then the other style.  Do any of you guys have an extra
gasket?  I can't = find these things anywhere.  Thanks

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From: "Steven Bettis" <bettiss@empnet.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 1996 23:56:59 -0400
Subject: Re:  Top Speed

Those of you that live for top speed  should also consider how much of a
resistance the air is at higher speeds. It definatly does not get any
easier as you strive to go faster.
 A good example is a Porsche 944.Remember this car has better
aerodynamics than any of our Oldsmobiles by far. A non turbo car can
reach 130 MPH with 150 HP (flywheel). A turbo car can reach 155 MPH but
it requires an additional 80 HP!  Not exactly fair is it! It gets worse,
to reach 175 MPH,   the same car has to put out 400 flywheel HP.  ( Out
of 150 Cubic inches, ouch )

Nice job on rounding up the formulas, Scott !.
> From: R Mullen <r_mullen@Merck.Com>
> To: 'Olds Page' <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject:
> Date: Friday, November 15, 1996 11:23 AM
>
>
> All,
> With all the talk of top speed, here is a theoretical formula for the
top

> speed of a car:
>
> RPM x Tire diam (inches)
>  -----------------------------------------
> Gear Ratio (e.g. 3.42) x (336.13524)
>
> Thus, for a car with a 6000 rpm redline, 3.42 gears, and a (typical)
25.5 " > diam. tire, the theoerical top speed is 133.09 mph.  Actual
top speed will > NEVER exceed the theoretical amount, unless you change
one or more of the

> equation parameters.  The actual top speed may be less than
theoretical if > drag/resistance exceeds the power output of the engine
e.g. a car with a 150 > hp engine may not be able to reach the
theoretical top speed, but the > identical car with a 400 hp engine
may, even if all of the equation > parameters are identical.  The
resistance forces will overpower the > acceleration forces, and a
steady state (i.e. "that's all there is and there > ain't no more")
will exist.  I got this formula from a web site > (www.classicar.com),
and for my car (6000 rpm, 3.23 gears, assumed 25.5" > diam. tire
(245/60 VR 15 Gatorbacks)), the computed 140.9 mph top speed is > close
to what my car has experienced.  Like the previous posting, I too used >
a chase(ing) car with a 120+ speedo as a rolling speedometer when my
speedo > ran out of numbers.  Make sure your tires are rated for the
speeds you'll be > doing.  If they aren't, confine your top speed to
your imagination. > >  This formula is really handy to defeat the
inflated claims of road > warriors, since it ignores variables like
horsepower and car weight. Since > the engine redline, tire diameter
and rear end gears are all linked together > in an unchanging
relationship, the formula doesn't lie!!  If you have an > overdrive
trans, adjust your rear gear ratio by multiplying it with the > final
drive in your trans.  I can hear all those calculators clicking away >
out there.......... > > Scott Mullen > '70 442 >

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From: "Steven Bettis" <bettiss@empnet.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 00:28:45 -0400
Subject: Introduction

Hello,

My name is  Steven Bettis and I thought I would finaly introduce myself.
 I've been on the list a couple of months, but though I would get a
feel for it before participating too much.

Basicly I'm a die hard "motorhead". If it has a motor, I like it. I can
respect and appreciate any vehicle, but am an Olds and Porsche guy
first. I am curently down to one Olds, a 67 442 I have had since high
school. I still have all the oringinal drivetrain parts, but it is
currently set up as a street racer. ( 455 - 4 speed - 4.56's ) Don't
worry, I hardly have time to race anymore! ( That, and I went and got
married)!

Anyway I have tried  allot of combinations, so if your looking for some
ideas, drop me a line.
Be forewarned, I do work a great deal, so it may take awhile for me to
get back to you. I live in Oregon and  we have a great deal of rust free
vehicles here. I'll post any good ones I see.

Well, back to grind, happy motoring eveyone,   Steve

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From: "Steven Bettis" <bettiss@empnet.com>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 00:28:34 -0400
Subject: Aviation Gas

Well, I'll have some first hand info for everyone soon. Today I pulled
the Olds in the garage to freshen the motor.( It does not have hardened
seats ). I've run Aviation gas exclusivly in my 455 since 1989. I have
pulled the heads a couple of times during that period and did not see
any ill effects, but it has been  two years since the last time they
were off.

If I see anything unusual in the valve area, I'll let everyone know. It
was definalty harder to start on cold mornigs, but then I bought an MSD
ignition and nothing would keep it from starting.......... ah, the joys
of more power !!

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From: Brad Baker <bradbaker@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 18 Nov 1996 01:17:17 -0400
Subject: Junk Yards

At 07:49 11/17/1996 +0000, you wrote:

>I know Auto Body Specialties has them for about $45; I may go with them
when >the time comes. Who else do you know of?

There is another place I found in the phone book while looking up the
number for A.B. Specialties called A.B. Suppliers in Cromwell CT. The
guy there said he has the panels "for around $40". Both places are about
a half an hour away from my house. I plan to stop in and find out more
someday. >

>Where is that yard? No place around here has anything that old, and if
I'm >ever in the neighborhood I might stop in, especially if they'll let
you pick >the parts (I could always use another set of #7a heads).

This yard is in Wallingford CT. off of Rt.5. I went there a couple of
times at the end of this summer. The first time I went,some guy walked
me out to the way-back of the yard where there are 3-4 Cutlass' stuck in
a corner."There they are" he said and went back in the shop.I poked
around and found a parking brake pad and the arm rest pad for the
drivers side,a glove bos door,and the front side running light plus a
few other little parts.Rummaging around like that brought back memories
from the old days.Went back to the shop and told him what I needed and
he came out with some tools and removed the parts."I gotta take the
parts off for you,yard rules".No problem, just don't -you- break them
trying to take them off!! Went back in and aksed the boss for a
price."Ahh, give me 20 bucks." I almost died!! A pair of arm pads alone
cost $80 at Fusicks!! Well, about a week later,I went back and got the
rear running light,the cigar lighter,and the under hood light for
$15.This time the boss let me go out back alone with a screwdriver and
adjustable wrench. Man,I just love poking around in old cars!!! >

>That sounds like it might be a fuel pump or clogged fuel filter.
>

That may be the right place to start looking,but you just don't throw in
a new fuel pump just for laughs,right? But I think that the car was
sitting for a while,so I think the filter will be first.
        Thanks for the advice.Let me know if you will be around some
day.My job actually gives me alot of time free during weekdays.Maybe we
could go and check out that junk yard. Talk to you soon....

Brad  '68 Cutlass S Convertible

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