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Subject:	oldsmobile-digest V1 #337


oldsmobile-digest         Sunday, 20 October 1996      Volume 01 :
Number 337


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From: gibson@webgate.net
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 19:51:23 -0300
Subject: Tire size on 71 442

     I own a 1971 442 with far from stock back tires.  I want to replace
the rims with aftermarket rims but I need to know the original rubber
size so as to purchase proper rims and tires.  Anyone help?

            Gerald Gibson
            gibson@webgate.net

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From: Roland Klinger <Roland.Klinger@bonn.netsurf.de>
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 20:12:13 -0300
Subject: Re: Rocket Circle

Hello Paul

>I had to think about this one.  You must have seen the illustration in
>Fusick's catalog.

SOTN (socked on the nose), you are right and I wondered about those
letters in the Fusick=B4s catalog..

But the first idea came from my =B456 showroom album, page 48, where it=
 says:
"Solid Owner Loyalty
 According to a nation-wide survey, nearly all Oldsmobile owners
expressed their  satisaction by saying their next car would be another
Oldsmobile. They are  greater in proportion than the owners of any other
car exept the recognized leader  of the highest-price class. To honor
these owners and assure them preferential  treatment, the rocket circle
has been formed."

There is a picture of the certificate given to the owner and there is an
emblem printed much simpler than the one you described and which is
found in the Fusick catalog. It=B4s just a black lying oval with a short
black line=
 to
the right at the bottom plus a light grey hardly visible rocket.
If you bent that line upwards and forget about the rocket, it would be
the new Olds emblem (together with some graphical gimmick).

Thanks for the details of the dash board emblem.
Greetings from Germany, Roland
(End of part two of Oldsmobile history lesson <g>)

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From: gibson@webgate.net
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 21:20:15 -0300
Subject: Re: More Info Was VIN Decode

     Greg,

     I stated that the dash is lighter than the rest of the interior.  I
might have misled you.  The dash is absolutely mint.  No marks nothing,
mint.  The rest of the interior, bench, carpet, door covers etc. might
be replaced, I don't know.  As far as retaining everything original, I
may upset a lot of people. The engine isn't numbers matching, the last
owner replaced it and sold the original engine and I couldn't track it
downn.  Seeing that I can't do a complete restoration to original I'll
probably change a lot of things.  I am extremely partial to standards
and will consider going to one for this although I've done this in the
past and it's a real pain.  I also want to lower it considerably.  The
list of mods goes on and on.  If the car ha been extrememly rare I
would have considered trying harder to get all the original stuff back
in it but that looks unlikely.
     Thanks for the help.

             Gerald Gibson
             gibson@webgate.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 22:00:14 -0300
Subject: Saturday night fun

I went over to Old Town tonight.  It's in Kissimee, a little south of
Orlando.  Every Saturday they have a cruise for old cars.  Most cars are
old American iron; there's a couple oddballs (a Porsche?) thrown in
there. Today was a BOP show, too, so there were a higher concentration
of Oldsmobiles than normal.  I haven't been over there in several years,
it was nice to go back.

Man, there were some nice Oldsmobiles!  A _beautiful_ '67 Cutlass,
black, just gorgeous.  A couple 1970 442 W-30's, one looked near mint,
the other was so-so.  They both had red inner fender wells; I've never
seen them in person.  A couple old Olds's, a 53 and a 56.  The 53 was
for sale, guy was asking $20,000 for it, but it wasn't, IMHO, $20,000
worth of car.  Had a removable hard top that the guy had custom built in
place of the original, which he said he still had but it needed
restoration.  Lots of Cutlasses, a '70 SX, a couple '68s (one for sale,
convertible!), and some 69's, 71's & 72's.  Was also a Dynamic 88, can't
remember the year.  Old.  50's.  Also a 62 Cutlass F-85.  Never seen one
of those.  It looked nice!  Most of the cars were tastefully
restored/restified/whatever.  Some had some distasteful (IMO) mods, like
an aftermarket A/C (which looked really stupid), HUGE AutoMeter guages ,
like five or six of them, mounted in clusters under the center of the
dash (like my redneck brother-in-law has done to his *ord Thunderbird).


Also an intersting option (I guess it was an option) on a convertible
'71 Cutlass.  It had a hood mounted tach.  Cool.  It was on the drivers
side, right in the drivers line of sight, about 3/4 of the way back on
the hood. It had a little reverse scoop, about 5 or 6 inches long, and
about 2 inches high, and a few inches wide over it.  Looked like a
factory (or at least dealer) option.  Anyone ever heard/seen one?  I
didn't know they had them.

Anyway, it was a very cool evening.  Got lots of pictures.  Man, I love
old cars!  Looking at those 50's era Oldsmobiles, I can't help thinking
"WHAT A COMPLETELY AWESOME CAR!".  They just don't build them like they
used to. Those old cars just had so much style.  The interiors are
great, and the huge front chrome bumpers are incredible.  Today's cars
look like s**t.  I drove my Olds over there, even though I didn't enter
it in the cruise. Passed a couple under-Achieva's on the way back home
and just thought "What crap!"  They really are.  What happened?

No Toro's there, all you Toro-heads.  I was kind of hoping to see one,
because even though I don't own one, it is one of my all time favorite
cars. Especially that '66 Toro. - -- Dave Paulison
1969 Cutlass Supreme Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi
Eclipse GS dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Daniel Gulino <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 22:34:45 -0300
Subject: Re: tucker@aol.com

On Sat, 19 Oct 1996, buehner wrote:

>      The simple procedure is to post a message with "unsubcribe
oldsmobile" > in the body.

Yes, but I believe you must also address the message to

majordomo@chebucto.ns.ca


This is a mistake commonly made by people trying to unsubscribe.  They
have the message right, they just send it to the wrong address.



Dan

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 21:18:25 -0300
Subject: Hey Heidi

Heidi,
Welcome aboard. Love your old cars. Sorry to see your introduction was
bumpy, but thanks for introducing yourself and putting your best
thoughts forward.

If you stick it out, you'll find there are some real gentlemen and
ladies here with very deep knowledge on Olds products, systems and
history.

Given that you're on staff, I can think of many favors you could do us
oldsmoheads. I'm also interested in how *we* can help you.

What do you do for Olds? Are there others in the company who might be
interested in our thoughts? Do you have questions for the group? Be sure
to check out the Frequently Asked Question list (FAQ). And Bryce's page.

Would the demographics of this group might be interesting to your
marketers? The largest single model of interest across all years in this
group seems to be the Cutlass, your best seller. The Toronado, 30 years
later is still a hit among a certain set. I have a 66 98 convertible,
that was my father's Olds. Now it's mine and it generates smiles
everywhere I go with it.

A couple of questions:
1) Has Olds ever sized its enthusiast market? My hunch is its small, but
passionate. Question is if passion translates to profitable product for
Olds.

2) What sort of corporate archives are maintained? What history do you
keep on yourselves? Is there anything in the Lansing public library?

3) Is/are there an employee(s) (probably longtimer) who's kept an
informal eye on this information? Someone in engineering, marketing,
etc. is probably a packrat and would have some stuff that would be neat
for us to learn about.

'nuff for now, I don't want to bother you with too many questions,
thanks again and welcome aboard!
cf

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Sat, 19 Oct 1996 23:22:29 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Book Detroit

In a message dated 96-10-19 16:59:36 EDT, you write:

<< Not sure.  I was at the NAOC meet in Wheeling WV in July when I was
first
 told about the book being sent to members.  At that point the NAOC had
 already submitted their roster.  These seem to be landing closer to
Lansing
 and taking longer to get farther away.  Got mine today, near Harrisburg
PA.
  Maybe you'll get yours in a day or two.

 Paul
 Hoping you'll get one, cause they're nice! >>

Heres something ironic.  I live in Detroit, only 1 1/2 hours from
Lansing and I still haven't recieved the Olds book.  The publisher is
probably in some other state.  I have been an OCA member for about 3
years now, so I know I will get one.  I will just have to wait.

W MACHINES

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 00:54:23 -0300
Subject: Found 70 Cutlass

About 6 months ago I found a 70 what appeared to be a 442.  Well
since then I have been trying to find the owner of the car.  The car
was sitting in a back yard and the residents were renters. BTW the
car was found in Detroit city limits.  About 2 weeks ago, I found the
current renters moving out.  So I stopped to inquire about the car
and they said go look at it.  Well well, it turned out to be a 70
Cutlass S with a Ram Air hood.  Open the hood a found a small block with
#8 heads. It did have a ram air base, buts that it.  Looked inside saw a
4 spoke steer wheel, plain heat, white buckets with console and behold a
dualgate.  Looked under the car and found a posi tag and lower boxed
control arms.  The cowl tag had double dashes - - meaning special paint.
The color of the car is Ralley Red.

Finally got ahold of the owner and met with him Friday and bought the
car for $800.00.  What a deal.  Got the car home last night and looked
it over. It was a original 4spd car with a small block.  Currently has a
350 with a th400 behind it. yes a th400. Looked at the carb and numbers
read 7040253. A 442 M/T carb.  Wait theres more.  The posi is a 3:90.
The car is also a manual drum car.  Perfect makings for a W-31.  Also in
the deal I got a 70 2bbl 455 with a th400 longtail out of a Delta 88.
All this for 800.00.

Car hasn't been started since 1992, so I cleaned her up and remove the
possum nest in the fender, pour some gas down the carb and fired her up.

UUUUhhhggg  black smoke galore, but what to expect after sitting.  I let
her idle for about 30m and the smoke lessened.

Went out today and changed oil and trans fluid, and found a shift kit in
trans.
started it up again with fresh gas and let run for 45 min.  almost no
smoke now even under load.  The brakes work and electical work and trans
shifts. The car has true dual exhaust and the car drives pretty good.
Only bad thing about the car is that the body is totally rotted.  I got
to find a good shell to transfer the goods.

Well gotta go

W MACHINES
(Mark Prince)
2 72 442 W-30's
1 70 Cutlass S
1 Chevy Suburban
1 89 Escort

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From: DGMCEWEN@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:00:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Achieva = Great New Olds

Boy, for a guy who claims to be an Olds fan, you don't know much. My
Achieva SCX cost me 15k, and for that I recieved: 185 hp (neon 150 max),
Adj. shocks, p/w, p/l, cruise, tilt, fold down rear seat, 6 speaker
stereo, alum wheels, 0-60 in 7.5,  15.8 1/4,  135 mph top end,  31 mpg,
.86 g's in handling. If any car is ugly, it's the Neon ( HI!), spare me.
All of these stats top the Neon, for the same money. I have NEVER been
beaten by another normally aspirated 4 cyl car. I'll take on any Neon at
L.A. county raceway on any friday night. And my car is stock! Besides,
with a mopar's glorious reputation for reliabilty, you just sink farther
in the hole. Yes, the base Achieva is boring as dirt, but so is the base
version of most cars. Think before you leap!

                                                 Doug McEwen, W41SCX

P.S. 78k ( hard )  miles, only repairs:  1 catalytic converter, and 1
battery. That's all!

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From: DGMCEWEN@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:03:35 -0300
Subject: Re: the  SCX Achieva

Any time you and " Tiny ", want to race, LMK.

                   Doug McEwen W41SCX

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:11:23 -0300
Subject: Salesmen's prices,equip,colors,trims specs

I am inquiring to the list if any the members would be interested
in reprints of 64 to 76 Salesmen's Prices, Equipment, Colors & Trims,
Specifications. These books contain all the code numbers and weights
and options for all model of olds. such as F-85, Cutlass, Cutlass S,
442, Cutlass Supreme, Vista-Cruiser, Delta 88, Delta 88 Custom, Delta 88
 Royal, Ninety-Eight, Toronado, Delmont 88, Cutlass Wagon, Custom
Cruiser.  A man by the name of Mark Cornea has all the original
literature collected and a license from GM to reproduce decals.

GM said it would be no problem to reprint these spec guides.  The only
thing keeping him from doing it is the cost would be about 25.00 for one
book.

The spec book contains Factory installed options and codes.  It contains
MSRP cost of the cars, it contains power teams,it contains colors
interior and exterior availible per model and standard options.

What I need is all of the people on this list and other olds enthuisist
which may be friends of yours input on this idea.  If I can generate
enough interest, for the cost.  Then me and Mark will start reprinting
these books.

They will be of only high quality and not like a xerox copy.  please
email me or the list with Yays or Nays or just plain input or even just
plain ole questions

Thank you all for your time and tired eyes

W MACHINES   (Mark Prince)    Long live Olds

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:29:53 -0300
Subject: members list access

Well I did access the members list by using
http://www.student.toplinks.com/hp/rovernut/list/main.html  but I could
not gain access with the other addresses to add myself to the list.

I know I know I am slow, but I had a few extra minuits to kill. So
please can somebody give me the address one more time to add myself to
the Olds list


Thanks W MACHINES    (Mark Prince)

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From: Verkleeren Central Command <jev114@psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:22:41 -0300
Subject: Re: Achieva = Great New Olds

I have NEVER been beaten by another normally aspirated 4 cyl
>car.

You tell that incompetent person driving that slow piece of trash neon
hahah i race him anyday too and give hime 4 car length head start in my
cutlass calais anytime...base calais 160 hp Quad 4 5speed 38mpg...175K
miles and still blow the pants off any naturally aspirated 4cyl and 6
bamger around and have embarassed numerous V8's with ease...slightly
modified 15.0 all day! And let me tell you this car is run harder than
any of you out there can imagine...it lives at the 6900rpm rev limiter
through all the gears...sure my car has limited options...just cassette
and air...but when it comes time to power, speed, and economy no car can
come close to the all mighty QUAD 4!

L8R
Jeff

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From: Verkleeren Central Command <jev114@psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:22:44 -0300
Subject: Re:Quad's 4's etc..

back in 1987 when olds was testing the limits of the quad 4 they built
a moto-mile car and had 2 different engines built by 2 different plants
each had there own mods done on a quad 4 anyway they set the world
record for the flying mile @ 257mph out of a 2 liter engine...with a
1000hp twin turbo quad 4 wow! i still have the article....the other
motor was about the same HP but with only 1 turbo...one of my buddies
is currenly waiting for an $800 purchase to add more power to his 91
grand am Q4 HO...from a company in ohio "Mantapart" he's getting bigger
cams, throttle body, recalibrated chip, better exhaust manifold, and
some other little stuff.. i'm anxious to see how it runs...they claim
very low 14 sec to high 13 sec quarter mile passes. not bad! thought i
would share the info!

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From: Verkleeren Central Command <jev114@psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:25:28 -0300
Subject: Re: the Achieva

must have been a pig of a V6 they put in them...the quad 4 will
light up anyone's day guy!!!

QUAD 4 "The Appetite Supressant For The Power Hungry"

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From: Verkleeren Central Command <jev114@psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:33:04 -0300
Subject: Re: Achieva = Ugly New Olds

Quicker, more fuel-efficient, better handling,
>and better looking than the Achieva

Well dude i'm not sure what your smoking but if that achieva had a quad
4 no neon has a chance...in power-speed-economy! and that's that! So
you better quit gettin high on whatever, so you can see the
light...it's no wonder you lost your job!

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 01:45:22 -0300
Subject: Re: Saturday night fun

Dave,
I think I can say, with a great deal of certainty, that there was never
a hood mounted tach for a cutlass. However, Buicks and Pontiacs did.

Art Fuller

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From: willie@MADNET.COM
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 03:35:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Build Grand National

hehe :)

Well, thanks for the advice.  But as far as I can tell (being a Monte
owner, also) is the Turbocharged 3.8litre isn't the 229 Chevy, it's the
3.8 buick! so, thoeretically, all I should HAVE to do is swap and drop,
right?  I mean, same year car, and same year Buick engine, and I
*THINK* I have the uni-mount TH350 in the C/S. (ponder)

Sleep?  What's THAT?!? :P

- -Shane
This message sent from The Net BBS 608-221-5702.
Telnet address: bbs.madnet.com

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From: willie@MADNET.COM
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 04:09:32 -0300
Subject: Hmm, this is interesting. :)

Well, a couple of days ago, I was driving through the parking lot of an
apartment complex a friend of mine lived at, and in the parking lot I
saw it.  'It' is a 1978 (or 1979) Olds Cutlass W30.  I have seen it
before, but until this day, it had always had license tags on it, so I
never looked at it as a possibility, until now.  It's the Black with
Gold paint job, but I didn't stop to look at it's interior.  It looks
nice, tho, not much (if any) rust on the body at all.  I am so tempted
to inqure to it's demise (sale?  blown motor?  scrap-heap bound?) that
I am actually considering going apartment to apartment to find out who
belongs to it.  What is one of these bad boys worth?  It has the rally
wheels and everything.  What would it have for a motor/drive train if it
is in fact a 'REAL' W30?

Jeez.  I hate it when people take the tags off their cars, it makes it
so much harder to find out who owns it. :P

At least with tags, I could have a cop friend of mine do a plate
inquiry, but now, all I can get is the VIN.

- -Shane  (who likes the look of the cars paint scheme)
This message sent from The Net BBS 608-221-5702.
Telnet address: bbs.madnet.com

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From: Mark Gray <Frog@pe.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 06:22:43 -0300
Subject: How do I Drop my Subscription From the mailing list?

Same as Above^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 06:59:07 -0300
Subject: Olds "Magnum" Kit rocker studs

I need quick responses on this one (before Monday)....
Anyone /=CB?W=EChave extra "Magnum" rocker arm studs?  The 5/16
bottom=20 thread, 3/8 top thread ones for Olds....it seems that torquing
them to=20 the spec comp cams provides causes the studs to fail upon
removal and=20 reinstallation.=FE=CE=A4Rr@=C7=E4=F4=F5 =20

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 08:13:10 -0300
Subject: Rules of Engagement

With a lot of new folks here on the list it looks like its time once
more to remind everyone of the rules of conduct here. Read the message
you received when you subscribed, please. Take particular note of the
section dealing with what is and is not appropriate to post here. This
is not a rec.autos newsgroup and certain types of posts you see there
are not acceptable here. Nor are messages directed at one person only.
That's what private email is for, folks. If it's a flame or a personal
message, take it private, we don't want to see it.

Thanks!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 09:14:27 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds "Magnum" Kit rocker studs

Incidentally, this is not the first time I've dealt with problems with
proper rocker arm stud torque...for example ARP recommends 70ft/lbs or
something for Chevy studs...hitting this value will pull the threads
right out of the fine Chevy heads!  Now on the Olds, even the 5/16" hole
 can handle the torque...but the STUD fails!  I shoulda drilled them
for more common studs...does anyone know if Chevy or Ford studs will
have any problems due to the difference in length?  Anyone know a good,
"safe" spec to torque rocker arm s tuds to in an Olds head?

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 10:46:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Saturday night fun

>Dave,
>I think I can say, with a great deal of certainty, that there was never
a hood >mounted tach for a cutlass. However, Buicks and Pontiacs did.

OK, I know it was a Cutlass (even took some pictures), maybe the fella
got it off a Buick or Pontiac.  Looked neat, but probably hard to read.
Was a good distance away from where the driver sits, and the thing ain't
very big. - -- Dave Paulison                  1969 Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: VUBS79A@prodigy.com (MR DREW A DURIGAN)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:35:21 -0300
Subject: the Achieva

>> You mean the Under-Achieva?

>I drove one of thoses as a rental once.  That's exactly what
>we called it.  I think mopeds were passing me...

Who came up with the "crooked door" design on the rear 4-doors?  What
were they thinking?

But hey...for another several hundred dollars, you can get the V-6
and a whopping FIVE additional horsepower.  Oh boy!


- -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:02:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Salesmen's prices,equip,colors,trims specs

On Sun, 20 Oct 1996 WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:
> What I need is all of the people on this list and other olds
enthuisist > which may be friends of yours input on this idea.  If I can
generate enough > interest, for the cost.  Then me and Mark will start
reprinting these books. > > They will be of only high quality and not
like a xerox copy.  please email me > or the list with Yays or Nays or
just plain input or even just plain ole > questions

Don't email the list, folks... send it to Mark directly via
wmachines@aol.com, please....

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

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From: VUBS79A@prodigy.com (MR DREW A DURIGAN)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 12:02:28 -0300
Subject: Saturday night fun

>I went over to Old Town tonight.  It's in Kissimee, a little south
of
>Orlando.  Every Saturday they have a cruise for old cars.  Most cars
are old
>American iron; there's a couple oddballs (a Porsche?) thrown in
there.
>Today was a BOP show, too, so there were a higher concentration of
>Oldsmobiles than normal.  I haven't been over there in several years,
 it was
>nice to go back.

Thanks, Dave!  (Proud Old Town employee mode on)

We cruise every Saturday night.  Doesn't have to be a show car, just
so that it's 1972 or older.  (Nothing against post 72s; it's just
that we have to cut it off somewhere.  We get between 300-350 cars
every week, and it takes about 45 minutes as it is)  Primer-grey
"restorations-in-progress" are accepted and even encouraged! <g>

- -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-

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From: VUBS79A@prodigy.com (MR DREW A DURIGAN)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 12:17:56 -0300
Subject: Re: Achieva = Great New Olds

>Boy, for a guy who claims to be an Olds fan, you don't know much. My
Achieva
>SCX cost
>me 15k, and for that I recieved: 185 hp (neon 150 max),

I'm talking about new cars, Doug.  They killed the SCX option, so now
it's a mere 150HP on the standard 2.4, or 155 from the V-6.  Given
the choice between an SCX and a Neon, I'd take the SCX, but it simply
isn't available anymore.

- -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-

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From: VUBS79A@prodigy.com (MR DREW A DURIGAN)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 12:23:02 -0300
Subject: Re: Achieva = Great New Olds

>but when
>it comes time to power, speed, and economy no car can come close to
the all
>mighty QUAD 4!

Agreed, but they don't make it anymore.  That was my whole point...
the total lack of available power in today's new compact Oldsmobiles
(that would be the Achieva) make it a poor value against cheaper,
quicker cars like the Neon.  As a new car buyer, I can't see spending
$16K for something that can be beaten for $12K, and looks better, too.


- -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-

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From: VUBS79A@prodigy.com (MR DREW A DURIGAN)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 12:40:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Achieva = Ugly New Olds

>Well dude i'm not sure what your smoking but if that achieva had a
quad 4
>no neon has a chance...in power-speed-economy! and that's that! So
you
>better quit gettin high on whatever, so you can see the light...it's
no
>wonder you lost your job!

Was that cheap shot really neccessary?

Again...for the last time...I am NOT comparing a Neon to a 2.3-liter
Quad 4.  I am comparing what is available TODAY from an Oldsmobile
dealer.  An Achieva with 150 or 155 horsepower to a Neon with the
optional 150 horsepower engine.  The 160-185HP Quad 4 of years past
is NOT available in a new Oldsmobile!

The Neon is much lighter and quicker than the Achieva.  Also about
25% cheaper.  Looks better besides. If I were buying a new car, I'd
have to take the Neon.  That was my point...that Olds is not offering
the competitive models of years past.  Give me a '97 Calais with the
Quad 4, and it's a no-brainer.  But it's not available.

- -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:37:08 -0300
Subject: Re: members list access

WMACHINES formerly known as Prince wrote:
>
> So please can somebody give me the address one more time to add myself
 > to the Olds list

I have it as http://members.tripod.com/~rovernut/oldsmembers.html

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: gibson@webgate.net
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 12:53:21 -0300
Subject: Re:Quad's 4's etc..

     I completely agree that it's a lot cheaper to get any V8 into the
12's than a 4.  I also agree that it is somewhat more expensive.  As
far as the japanese cars I have to admit I'm not familiar with numbers
and setups for them(don't like japanese cars).  I will however have to
disagree about the tire size though.  There are many a 4 cyl D**ge
racing 12's on stock tires.  The 800hp that R&D developed was a little
unreliable but 400hp is a safe output for these engines.  Even at 300+
horsepower they are extremely streetable.
     Someone else(Verkleeren) mentioned a 1000hp Quad4.  Iam very
interested in these numbers.  What magazine were these articles in?
I'm also curious what the cheapest car I could buy with a Quad 4 would
be.  Dos anyone have a Quad 4 car in need of a lot of work they would
part with?

                                Gerald Gibson
                                gibson@webgate.net

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 13:54:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Hmm, this is interesting. :)

If the car has the fastback body style it is the 78 or 79.  1980 started
the notchback Calais look. The engine options for 78 were a 231 Buick,
260, 250 and 403 Olds and could be had with the TH350 or a 4 speed and a
5 speed manual. 2,518 were made in 78. In 79 the only option was the 350
Olds with the TH350. Only 620 were made in 79. Now if it is a notchback
it could well be a 79 Hurst/Olds because they had W-30 on the fenders
also.


At 04:09 AM 10/20/96 -0300, willie@MADNET.COM wrote:
>Well, a couple of days ago, I was driving through the parking lot of an
>apartment complex a friend of mine lived at, and in the parking lot I
>saw it.  'It' is a 1978 (or 1979) Olds Cutlass W30.  I have seen it
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
88 Camaro Iroc-Z/28...see it in the December issue of Chevy High
Performance 81 Camaro......................for sale 75 Hurst/Olds
W-25.....for sale real soon 80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30.... see it at http://
www.442.com/labay.html

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From: Rocketeer <bparker@nmsu.edu>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:02:06 -0300
Subject: More '70 ?'s

Thanks to all that responded to my question last week concerning the
ignition switch/coil circuit. I now have most of the wiring problems
corrected on this beast.

The question this week concerns the factory A/C ductwork. This car has
a plastic panel that attached to the bottom of the dash with some
"mini" ducts for airflow. This is the long piece that is on the RH side
of the steering column.

Is there a similar (smaller) one that goes either underneath the
steering column or starts at the far LH side of the dash and meets the
larger one underneath the steering column?

This poor car had most of the A/C stuff removed, even the firewall box
was busted out to clear room for headers! Guess that was easier than
installing them from the bottom?!

Boyd Parker (aka Rocketeer)            __|__
                                      |  |  |  Why drive just a car...
1966 4-speed Cutlass Convertible      |  |  |  when you can ride a
rocket ! 1970 4-4-2 Convertible                |  |  |
                                      | /|\ |
                                      |/ | \|
                                      |__|__|
                                         |

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From: Rocketeer <bparker@nmsu.edu>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:10:34 -0300
Subject: Super Stock II paint (cont.)

Can't remember who was asking last week about SSII wheel paint.

Just picked up an original SSII, after removing one of the bezels I
found that the paint I got from Super Cars is a little off.

This original wheel does not have any metalflake, and the color is a
noticeable amount darker. If Olds had more than one supplier this might
account for some differences.

Personally I like the looks of the Super Cars paint better, but I have
to question how correct it is now.

Boyd Parker (aka Rocketeer)            __|__
                                      |  |  |  Why drive just a car...
1966 4-speed Cutlass Convertible      |  |  |  when you can ride a
rocket ! 1970 4-4-2 Convertible                |  |  |
                                      | /|\ |
                                      |/ | \|
                                      |__|__|
                                         |

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From: gibson@webgate.net
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:16:12 -0300
Subject: Cars for sale in SW Ontario

     The following are cars for sale in my area.  I have no idea of the
conditions of them etc..  Just thought I'd pass them along in case
anyone was interested in anything.  I can also usually find parts if
anyone is interested.

1968 Cutlass Conv - One owner, orig 350 Rocket eng. Not driven in winter
since body resto. in 1990 $3000obo 519-433-4203

1971 Cutlass - 350 Rocket engine, lime green, only 100,000 miles, family
owned since new $2200 519-642-2530 after 6

1970 Cutlass S - Exc. orig cond. throughout, Rocket 350, appraised Aug.
96 at 8500 Asking 6800 519-842-8559

1971 Cutlass Conv - restored, 455 engine turbo 400 trans, new roof,
appraised at
10500 Sell 9000 obo Wingham 519-357-3823

1967 Cutlass Supreme 2dr hardtop red on black, V8 auto, floor shift,
great rebuilt cond. $400 firm 905-687-9728

     There are also lots of others including plenty newer olds's if
anyone is looking for a particular one.  Let me know if I can help.

               Gerald Gibson
               gibson@webgate.net

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 16:00:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Tire size on 71 442

gibson@webgate.net wrote:
>
>      I own a 1971 442 with far from stock back tires.  I want to
replace the > rims with aftermarket rims but I need to know the original
rubber size so as to > purchase proper rims and tires.  Anyone help? > >
Gerald Gibson >             gibson@webgate.net

Gerald,
	To find out the size of the rim, look on the sidewall of the
tire.  The size will be displayed Pxxx/xxRxx.  The first three x's are
the overall size of the tire.  The next two are the percentage of the
tread over the whole tire surface,the lower the number, the lower the
profile.  and the last two x's are the size of your rim, which should be
 either 14 or 15. 	I have the SS II wheels and I now run P205/75R14 on
all 4, but I will be switching to P245/60R14 soon. The SS II wheels are
14X7" wheels. 	As for aftermarket rims, I know a few people that run
15X7" Craigers with low profile tires and don't have problems.  If your
car is like mine, you could fit almost any size under the rear, but be
sure that the front tires dont rub the fender well when you turn. Brad
'70 442

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From: gibson@webgate.net
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 16:23:23 -0300
Subject: Re: Tire size on 71 442

     Thanks for the help.  I know how to figure out the size of the
existing tires.  My problem is trying to find out the size of the
tires(rubber) that were put on in 1971 by the factory.  Any help with
that one?  Thanks again

                 Gerald Gibson
                 gibson@webgate.net

------------------------------

From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:00:08 -0300
Subject: Re: Tire size on 71 442

gibson@webgate.net wrote:
>
>      Thanks for the help.  I know how to figure out the size of the
existing > tires.  My problem is trying to find out the size of the
tires(rubber) that were > put on in 1971 by the factory.  Any help with
that one?  Thanks again > >                  Gerald Gibson >
gibson@webgate.netThe factory installed G70 x 14

------------------------------

From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:11:15 -0300
Subject: Dashpot

I need help locating a dashpot for my 71 442.  I was able to find one at
a junkyard, and even though there is some rust, it is serviceable.  But
I'd really like to find a new one.  None of the auto parts stores I've
tried can order one (and a few of the 20ish clerks said "What's a
dashpot?"). I've tried Year One, Fusick, etc to no avail.

Thanks,
Kurt

------------------------------

From: Chris Blumenstein <bluffin@netins.net>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 20:15:16 -0300
Subject: Re: Dashpot

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
>
> I need help locating a dashpot for my 71 442.  I was able to find one
at a junkyard, and even though there is > some rust, it is serviceable.
But I'd really like to find a new one. None of the auto parts stores
I've tried > can order one (and a few of the 20ish clerks said "What's a
dashpot?"). I've tried Year One, Fusick, etc to no > avail. > > Thanks, >
Kurt > > >Well what is a dashpot?

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:03:40 -0300
Subject: FS: Eastern WA

     Found the following for sale, thought someone here might be
     interested.

     '65 Olds 442 Sedan.  New motor, transmission, interior, paint,
tires,
     and posi.  Real nice car-All there.  $7500 509-636-2010

     (from the picture it's not "all there" since it has Centerline
wheels)

     '84 Hurst/Olds.  Loaded.  51k miles.  $6900 obo.  509-891-0778

     (I've seen this one personally, it's in great shape.  Been for sale

     since the spring when he was asking $9k, so you can probably talk
him
     down some)

     '64 Cutlass Convertible.  New paint, top, tires, CD player,
automatic.
      Excellent cond. $4500 obo.  208-687-2645

     (picture looks really sharp.  Looks like sort of a light metallic
     blue)

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:03:36 -0300
Subject: Re: Your Power Seat

     No, I haven't gotten it yet.

     I'll write you as soon as I do!

     Thanks in advance!

     Tom.

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Your Power Seat Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    10/19/96 6:47 AM


Hey Tom,
Did you get the power seat thingy I sent you? Just Curious
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu)
88 Camaro Iroc-Z/28...see it in the December issue of Chevy High
Performance 81 Camaro......................for sale 75 Hurst/Olds
W-25.....for sale real soon 80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30.... see it at http://
www.442.com/labay.html



------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 11:03:24 -0300
Subject: Re: Torque Tech

     Okay, A few people asked a while ago and I'm sorry I took so long
to
     respond.

     Regarding the Torque Tech exhaust system for the A-bodies.  It's
     available in 2.5" ($259 w/o mufflers) and 3" ($309 w/o mufflers)
     versions.  They don't say specifically, but all the pictures show
them
     used with headers and not manifolds.  As to the tips through the
     bumper, they don't sell the tips themselves but do make a Straight
or
     Turned Down version.  In their words "The Straight version is
mainly
     for vehicles such as the Olds Cutlass with the 442 bumper and the
     Buick GS with the N-25 bumper.  Both these vehicles have special
     tips."

     Torque tech is at (800) 408-0016 (order line) or (912) 242-0691
(tech
     line).

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From: gibson@webgate.net
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:30:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Dashpot

     Kurt,

     Have you tried NOS reproductions.  I've almost always been able to
get any part I've needed from them.

              Gerald Gibson
              gibson@webgate.net

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From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:44:38 -0300
Subject: Re: How I we get Olds books????

Hi, about a month ago, I heard this was coming out.  So, I then
sent in my membership fee.  Hopefully, I'll get mine too.  I
suggest to everyone that they also join (quickly) if anyone else
wants a copy of this (joins the OCA that is).

                                                 Craig Dobbins


>Date:		Sat, 19 Oct 1996 16:16:02 -0300
>From:	OLDSPWR@aol.com
>Sender:	oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject:	How I we get Olds books????
>
>With all this talk of the new Olds book that Olds has sent to
Oldsmobile
>clubs, I was wondering if it was possible for us (on the list) to
get a
> copy
>of the book.  I think most of us are pretty die hard and would
really enjoy
>the book....
>
>Maybe *Heidi* could help us out....
>
>Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com
>79 Cutlass -> Street/Strip/Show
>86 442 -> Summer Driver
>79 Cutlass -> Winter Bomb
>
>

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From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:53:04 -0300
Subject: Spark Plugs for my '68 442

Hi all,

 I pulled my plugs out of my '68 442 convert and found that I had
resistor plugs in there.  That's what I replaced the plugs with
when I bought the car 5 months ago, but I didn't notice the big "R"
on the plug #.  Is this correct?  Or should I have non-resistor
plugs in there?

                                                 Craig


------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 18:58:39 -0300
Subject: Re: Dashpot

On Sun, 20 Oct 1996, Kurt Heinrich wrote:
> I need help locating a dashpot for my 71 442.  I was able to find one
at a junkyard, and even though there is > some rust, it is serviceable.
But I'd really like to find a new one. None of the auto parts stores
I've tried > can order one (and a few of the 20ish clerks said "What's
a dashpot?"). I've tried Year One, Fusick, etc to no > avail.

I ordered a new one for my '68 a few months ago from a local parts
place. I got the same "what's that" kind of response at first but found
a good parts guy who dug around in his catalogs and found them. The one
he ordered in came from Standard Blue Streak and looks identical to the
one that was there. Wasn't expensive either.

What is it? A sealed canister, sort of like a miniature power brake
booster, with a plunger that slows the closing of the throttle arm on
the carb when you let off the gas. Lets the idle drop smoothly rather
than just dying out.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

------------------------------

From: kissrulz@gnn.com (Craig Dobbins)
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 14:59:38 -0300
Subject: Carberator adjustment (HELP!!)

Hi,
  I just got my numbers matching Q-jet on my '68 442 convert.  But
it's not running right.  Can anyone tell me the correct way of how
to adjust my carb to the correct fast/slow idle, and fuel/air
mixtue, etc...???  I've tried to tune it be ear, but I know it's
not exactly right yet.  I drove it a while before when it was
running really rich (blowing black smoke from take-offs) and it
coated the insides of my tailpipes with black dust, so it can't be
running correctly.  It's a little bit better now, since I've been
toying with it, but I know I'll have to change the plugs now 'cause
they're probably all goobed up from running so rich.  If anyone out
there can tell me what to do, or what gague I need to adjust this
thing (and what to do after that), I'd sure appreciate it.

                                                 Thank You,
                                                   Craig Dobbins


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From: boonedoc@netaxs.com
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 1996 20:19:45 -0300
Subject: Re: Tire size on 71 442

gibson@webgate.net wrote:
>
>      Thanks for the help.  I know how to figure out the size of the
existing > tires.  My problem is trying to find out the size of the
tires(rubber) that were > put on in 1971 by the factory.  Any help with
that one?  Thanks again > >                  Gerald Gibson >
gibson@webgate.net

boonedoc replies:

Straight from the 1971 Oldsmobile brochure , page 29, on the 4-4-2 comes
the following:

"OTHER STANDARD FEATURES INCLUDE: .......G70 x 14" white-stripe
wide-oval tires (bias-ply glass-belted). Heavy-duty 7-inch-wide wheels."


One picture caption indicates that "[t]he 7-inch-wide, bias-belted
white-stripe tires come standard" and other copy speaks of "...the
super-wide bias-ply glass-belted tires with white stripes ....".

Boy, did the copy-writers like hyphens. That key is now stuck!

Using a magnifying glass on one of the pictures, I was able to determine
that the tires were Goodyear on the demonstration car.

Hope all this helps.

boonedoc

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