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Subject:	oldsmobile-digest V1 #368


oldsmobile-digest        Saturday, 16 November 1996     Volume 01 :
Number 368


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From: George Torch <curiousg@crown.icongrp.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 01:11:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Rochester in my Ninety Eight 1964

Doug Ahern wrote:
>
> Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi> wrote:
> > I still have problems with my Rochester carb.
>
> I'm guessing you have a 394 with a Rockchester 4GC.  If you have a
Rock. > 2bbl,  I'd find a 4bbl 394 intake and move up to a 4bbl.  If you
can't > find a 4bbl intake,  there are about 20 in a junkyard 20 miles
west of me. > 20 of them!  I've been looking for 3 years for a 4bbl
intake.  Whats the name of this junkyard and where is it?  Are their
prices reasonable?

  George Torch
 62 Dynamic 88
 66 Corvair Monza
 90 Geo Storm

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 01:27:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Another Jerk, Was: Olds Museum Visit

Stephen Lesniak wrote:
>
> Do you think Mr. Saplan could be a little more rude?!

Doubt it.  I think he already used up most of his vocabulary.   ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:34:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Omega's

Anthony Del Balso wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Is the Omega Old's equivalent to a Nova?  I have never seen them in
the paper, > but I saw a car which looked a lot like a Nova around town
last weekend, and > the nameplate said Oldsmobile.  What's the scoop on
this car?  Did they come > with 455's?!  And 4 speed's?  Even w/ only a
Rocket 350 I bet this car could > haul.  It's very small compared w/ the
Cutlass's (at least the car I thought > could have been an Omega). > >
thanks, > anthony

Anthony,

Omega's were upscale Novas.  They had Chevy 6's & 350 Olds V8s in them
at first.  I'm guessing that they were built from about 1972 thru 1985.
The engines were smogged up pretty well, but the possiblility of a good
455, TH 400 or 4-speeed on a 2 door w/disc brakes would be temptiing.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:39:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Another Jerk, Was: Olds Museum Visit

Mike Frederick wrote:
>
> Lord Raiden, God of Thunder and Lightning & Protector of the Realm of
> Earth wrote:
> >
> > How the f**k do I get off this damn List server?!!!  I don't even
> > know why I'm on this damn thing and I'm sick of getting your friggin
> > mail!
> >                                 William S. Saplan
>
> About now, we're pretty tired of you, too.  If you had read the
greeting > messages you received when you subscribed, you'd know how to
unsubscribe. > But since that seems a little beyond your capabilities,
you might try > sending a message of "unsubscribe oldsmobile" to
majordomo@chebucto.ns.ca > > That is, if Greg hasn't already booted you
sorry butt off... > > The 66 Toro and Mike > >

Mike,

Is this your version of "You know where to go!"?  Where is your Southern
hospitality?  I'm ashamed of y'all.  Here in AL we would just shoot him.


Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:48:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Performance times

At 08:57 PM 11/14/96 -0500, you wrote:
>Jason Adcock wrote:
>> >could go 165mph.  On the other hand, when I was going 110mpg the
other >> >> >Chris Sparks [snip] >> If you were going 110mpg in a
muscle car, let us all in on your secret!!! :-) >> >I'm a litle
confused here..what do you mean by the above sentence? >"let us all in
on your secret!!!"  I've never had a car that didn't get >up to 120
without a problem.  Even my 72 CS with a 350 and 4bbl had no >problem,
of course my 442 gets there (and beyond) faster.

Of course, the joke here is that you were claiming to get 110 miles per
GALLON, when you meant 110 mph...

And then you said (at first) that every car you ever had would get up to
1200 (mph?mpg?), so we all just thought you'd escaped from the asylum...
;)

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Std. Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block
boys) - - 1978 Electra Limited Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

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From: sbento@mecn.mass.edu
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:25:06 -0400
Subject: Re: HOT ROD Magazine - Awesome Pic



On Wed, 13 Nov 1996 WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 96-11-13 18:14:26 EST, you write:
>
> << Just got my new Hot Rod Magazine and as I was thumbing through the
pages, >  what to my surprise is a 70 Cutlass with it's nose in the air
about 4 ft !!! >  IT' s DEFINITELY NOT Your Daddy's Oldsmobile!!!!!!!!!
It's on page 12 and >  is worth a look !!! > >   >> > Well this car
belongs to Bill Trovato from NY.  The picture was taken > at Norwalk
Raceway in OH at the Mondello Olds Nats last July 96. > What the article
fails to say is that the car runs 10 teens on motor > and then 9 sevens
on Nitros. The car is awesome and is painted the > color of red
eventhought the pic is B&W.  He will be at the 97 Mondello\ > Olds Nats,
so please attend. > > W MACHINES > > I think I remember that car, I
went to the Mondello Olds Nats in '94 and I remember a red 70 Cutlass
with NY plates and it was running low 11's all day with two people in
the car and then towards the end of the day he gave it the "squeeze"
and it was on the back bumper past the tree enroute to a low 10 sec
timeslip. It sounds like he has been busy spinning the wrenches to be
in the mid 9 sec range, definetly one of the most impressive cars I
have ever seen at the track!!!

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:35:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Mennonite Diesels

In a message dated 96-11-14 09:59:06 EST, you write:

> You make an interesting point, that diesel fuel is less refined.
Gasoline > is lighter, boils at a lower temperature, and comes out of
the distilling > tower first, diesel fuel is the next set of molicules,
so it comes off next. > So actually it is in the process longer, it is
more refined!!!

Sorry, but I didn't make this point.  You had better take this up with
the gentleman that did, as I am ignorant to any refining methods.

> I expect
> that that is a clumbsy reason for your neighbors to have a diesel car.

I don't think I understand how a reason can be "clumsy", but I didn't
give the religious acceptability as the reason for Mennonites driving
Diesels.

> I think they have telephones too.

And I don't have any idea what telephones has to do with any of this???
I'm beginning to wish that I had never taken part in these Diesel posts.

> I had an Amish aquantance that has a car, and all of the chrome is
painted >  black.  Maybe someday theywill catch up with the Mennonites. >
 >  Cliff Feiler >

Well, if you had an Amish acquaintance that had a "black bumper" car,
then he's going to hell for sure, according to the Amish folks around
here.  I think you have Amish and Mennonite confused.

The Amish are not allowed anything "worldly".  No car, no electricity,
no phones.  They are allowed to have things that are natural gas
powered, such as refrigerators.  All the Amish around here use horse and
buggy for transportation.  They don't even have gasoline powered
machines to work the fields, they rely on horses for that too.  Amish
are allowed to ride in a car, but they may not own one.  They may go to
the neighbor and use the telephone, but they may not have one in their
home.  Some have gotten around this by having them mounted on the pole
by the road (ala Green Acres), for use in case of an emergency.  Amish
women are always seen wearing white or black bonnets.

Mennonites used to be very strict about "black bumpers".  They have many
of the same beliefs as the Amish, but wont go to hell for being
"worldly".  I remember as a little kid, you could spot Mennonites a mile
away because the only things on their cars that weren't painted black
were the lights and windows.  All chrome, wheel covers, name plates
where painted black, as was the car.  Blackwall tires, too.  Nowadays
the older, stricter Mennonites still have a lot of black cars, but the
chrome and trim is no longer painted black.  Some of them have even
graduated to dark grays and light blues.  But the younger folks like
their reds, much to the dismay of their parents.
 Mennonite women are always seen wearing black or white caps.  We call
them "strainer caps".

That's how they are around here, been livin' with 'em for 28 years.
Don't know what they're like where you're from.

Paul
Dropping this topic

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:49:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Museum Visit

        How the fuck do I get off this damn List server?!!!  I don't
even know why I'm on this damn thing and I'm sick of getting your
friggin mail!

				William S. Saplan

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:58:39 -0400
Subject: Is it real or....

>>>I think you are correct, it would cost to much to buy all the parts
and build a W-30. So I think the car must be a real W-30. <<<

What's that old saying?  Never say never or always?  Here in sunny FL we
(Olds types) blew the cover on a '72 W-30.....with no "X" in the vin.
As near as I could tell, it had all the W-30 stuff.  So here's a case
where it is easy to spot the fake.

Now, as anyone who has been on this list a few months knows, I usually
don't care a whole lot about "original" for many of the reasons recently
posted concerning just what the heck does original mean? Where does
original begin and end?  I loved the tongue-in-cheek 'Vette article
posted a few months back which among other things described the owner
removing and then dissolving the original paint and  shooting that on
his hypothectical restoration.  Is a repaint original?  No.  In some
parts of this continent you can't even buy laquer paint.

You want "numbers matching"?  With enough money to spend you can
purchase recoded alternators, starters, carbs, plug wires, even glass!
Is this original?  Not a bit, but the "numbers matching" crowd is happy.
Can you spell "hypocracy". (Can I?) :-)

It just doesn't make sense to apply this to anything other than
valuable, investment, concours restorations.  That said, I would bet a
dollar (US or Canadian) to a donut that most, if not all, of those
verrrrry expensive 300SL Mercedes Benz's, Stutz Bearcats and Packard
whatevers are _not_ "numbers matching" cars.  Doesn't seem to hurt their
value a bit!  So where's the logic?  There isn't any.

A respected antique/old auto appraiser and dealer in Orlando, FL spoke
to our local Olds club last year and stated that, in his professional
opinion, this numbers matching stuff has almost ruined the hobby.  It
started with high buck 'Vettes and that was probably OK.  A 427 tripower
4-speed 'Vette selling for big bucks because it is so rare should be
represented accurately.

But it is total b.s. to apply this principle to every Cutlass or other
relatively common car.  Is it right for a car with an alternator build
date that doesn't match the firewall plate to be considered of
significantly less value?  After all, the alternator is the right style,
model and amperage rating.

I can't express how much _more fun_ I have with my cars because I don't
give a furry white rodent's rear about "correct".  :-))

"Enjoy the ride!"

Bob Handren        OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:57:50 -0400
Subject: Local car for sale

Found this today in the weekly local want ads paper:

"1966 F-85 DELUXE OLDSMOBILE, 4-dr., maroon, prototype for Cutlass, very
rare, needs some work to run.  A/T, body in good shape, some rust, 301
V* engine, must sell.  $500 OBO.  Great car to restore.  Call days
(407)259-5055, night time (407)952-8056."

Prototype for Cutlass?  Very rare (heh, maybe 'cause it's a 4 door)?
301 V8?  Needs "some" work to run?  "Some" rust?  Thinking about
offering him $100 for it...whaddya think? - -- Dave Paulison
1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Melbourne, Florida             1993
Mitsubishi Eclipse GS dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:05:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Winter..:(

At 20:30 11/13/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Hi everybody,
>
>Today was the first day I had to break out the old ice scraper(I hate
>winter) If it wasn't for snow skiing I would definetly be moving
south..:) > >Anyway, I still have to do some finish work to my Olds and
my garage >isn't heated and I was wondering if anyone has installed a
heater in >there garage and the pro's and con's of different type
heaters(propane, >oil burning etc.....) I don't mind spending a few
bucks for a good, safe >and permanent setup. It will only be used when
I am out working in the >garage, mainly weekends etc.. > >Sorry about
the non Olds post, its just that I want to get my Olds >finished for
the spring!!!!. > >Thanks > >Steve >71 Cutlass S 455 >93 Mustang LX 5.0 >
     Winter is when I do the most work on my car and because I live in
western NY a heated garage is a necessity.  I'm in the process of
changing over my heat source from electric forced air to gas.  I just
found a used 45,000 btu input (35,000 btu output) space heater that I'm
going to buy and install. BTW my garage is attached and fully insulated
so I don't need any more than that.  The reason I'm converting from
electric to gas is because of cost.  When I bought this house it was all
electric and I converted everything over to gas and instead of tossing
out a perfectly good electric furnace I put it in the garage.  Instead
of a thermostat I just put a switch on it and throw it on about a
half-hour before I intend to go out there to work.
    Depending on your situation any that you mentioned will work.  I
think if you have access to natural gas it would be the easiest and most
economical.  Just remember that ventilation and exhaust of fumes is very
important especially if you are working in that environment for any
extended period of time.

Glenn
'69 4-4 2

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 23:59:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Museum Visit

>X-Sender: grpruett@mail.vt.edu
>Date: 	Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:49:28 -0400
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
>Subject: Re: Olds Museum Visit
>Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>
>        How the fuck do I get off this damn List server?!!!  I don't
even >know why I'm on this damn thing and I'm sick of getting your
friggin mail! > >				William S. Saplan >

I believe you already are.....

or will be soon.
- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:00:44 -0400
Subject: Your 64 98 Carburetor

>>From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.telebox.fi>
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 10:40:44 -0400
Subject: Rochester in my Ninety Eight 1964

I still have problems with my Rochester carb.<<

Esko:

Your '64 does not have a Q-Jet which wasn't available until '66.  What
you have is the Rochester 4-Jet with 4 relatively equal bores, sometimes
called "square bore" carburetors.  You can not easily install a "spread
bore" (small primary throttle plates and venturis, MUCH larger secondary
throttle plates and venturis) like the Q-jet on your present manifold.
While adapters are available they raise the carburetor off the manifold
making possible hood clearance and linkage problems. Otherwise you will
need to replace your intake manifold as well.  Not worth the effort in
my opinion.

A good replacement square bore carburetor is the Carter AFB which is
available in several air flow ratings, an electric choke and all include
several throttle linkage attachments and adapters.  Get one with the
electric choke.  This makes installing one relatively easy.  _And_ this
would be a brand new carburetor.

They are available from mail order companies such as Summitt and are
less than $200 American. ($168-230 actually)  I use one of these on my
'67 442 and I am very happy with it.

Summitt has a 24 hour order line.  It is US phone number 330-630-3030.

I do not say Summitt is the best place but they are easy to order from
and I have been happy with the few purchases I have made.

If I can answer any other questions please e-mail me.

Bob Handren        OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:00:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Museum Visit

>X-Sender: grpruett@mail.vt.edu
>Date: 	Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:49:28 -0400
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
>Subject: Re: Olds Museum Visit
>Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>
>        How the fuck do I get off this damn List server?!!!  I don't
even >know why I'm on this damn thing and I'm sick of getting your
friggin mail! > >				William S. Saplan >

Didn't Greg Pruett used to subscribe to the list?  Does he still?  Maybe
the digest.. - -- Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass
Supreme Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:24:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Another Jerk, Was: Olds Museum Visit

>Do you think Mr. Saplan could be a little more rude?!

Seeing as how is from Virginia Tech, he either knows our friend Mr.
Pruett (grpruett@vt.edu), or is now dating my x-girlfriend
(acsinsi@vt.edu).

So, yes he COULD be a little more rude.

Roger Borlase
'72 Cutlass Cruiser
http://www.cs.gordonc.edu/~borlase

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:34:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Omega's

In a message dated 96-11-14 23:05:33 EST, you write:

<< Is the Omega Old's equivalent to a Nova?  I have never seen them in
the paper,
 but I saw a car which looked a lot like a Nova around town last
weekend, and
 the nameplate said Oldsmobile.  What's the scoop on this car?  Did they
come
 with 455's?!  And 4 speed's?  Even w/ only a Rocket 350 I bet this car
could
 haul.  It's very small compared w/ the Cutlass's (at least the car I
thought
 could have been an Omega).
  >>
The Omega was a rear wheel drive car from 73-79.  In 80 they became FWD.
The Omega came with 6-250 chevys engines and also 350 Olds motors
until 76. In 77-79 the Omega came with a 6-231 and 305 Chevy and
350 Olds and 350 chevy and also the 260 olds.  In 73 and 74 you could
get a SX Omega with a 350 Olds.  The Omega's cousins are the Nova,
Buick Apollo, and the Pontiac Ventura.  Sorry no big blocks, but I think
you could get a 4 spd.

W MACHINES

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 00:36:56 -0400
Subject: Rude?

Sure was funny to watch you guys on that rude jerk.

Just goes to show ya that the demographics of the Olds crowd are
very civilized.

I've never seen a medium  more immediate in instituting "what goes
around comes around".

Cool.

BTW, I've been driving my 98 conv. every day for the past week and
loving it even tho' the top has been up. <65 degrees in SF Bay Area
now so it's more comfortable that way. Especially in foggy morning
commutes. It squeaks, groans and generally acts kind of old, but I got
the wheels spinning tonight (even on my 2.78 rear) as I left the stop
sign. Even if it was my father's Oldsmobile...

One regular joke is that it has a Honda engine for a starter motor.The
other joke: Ya know when you leave a stop, say, "quickly"?  Then smile
and say to your passenger, "I just used 6 gallons of gas". Smiles all
'round.

For you mathematically inclined, I often describe the gas guage and
speedo as inverse functions -- one goes up, the other goes down. Nerd
gearhead bad joke all in one.

Ain't sellin'
Chris Fair

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From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 01:44:25 -0400
Subject: Re[3]: Body identification

>      B - Full Size:  62(?)-8? RWD Delta 88/LeSabre/Caprice/Bonneville
>                      84(?)-up FWD Delta 88/LeSabre/Bonneville

Add                    92-96 Buick Roadmaster
                       94-96 Impala SS

I'm sure many Canadians would associate the '80s use of the Bonneville
nameplate with the 'G' platform (4-dr), while 'Parisienne' would grace
the Canadian B-body conterparts.   French is our second language but I
can't figure out why they'd name a car "one who resides in Paris". :)
Also, the B-body has always been RWD, and will cease to be produced
around December 14th this year.

>      C - Luxury:  RWD Delta 98/Electra/Fleetwood
>                   FWD 98/Park Ave/DeVille
>      D - Limo

       D - RWD Cadillac '85-'96

When the 'C' cars went FWD in '85, the rear drive Cadillac Fleetwood
Brougham (renamed only Brougham from '87 -'92) continued to be
produced, and became the D-body.

>      H - Small:  RWD Starfire/Skyhawk/Sunbird/Monza

1985 marked the last year for Olds and Buick RWD B-cars, and the new for
'86 FWD models were built on the 'H' platform, which closely resembled
the FWD 'C' cars.  Pontiac introduced their H-body, the Bonneville, in
1987. B-body wagons continued past '85; Pontiac was the first to be
discontinued ('90??), followed by Olds ('92), then Chev and Buick early
this year.

>      J - Small:  FWD Firenza/Skyhawk/Sunbird/Cavalier

Don't forget Cimarron!  <g>

>      X - 62-76(?) RWD Nova/Omega/Ventura/Apollo (also the original RWD
Seville)

When this small Cadillac was introduced in 1975.5, GM made so many
changes to the 'X' chassis that they gave the Seville a K-body
designation (GM's K-car !).  The 'K' platform remained a separate entity
until about 1991. If I remember correctly, it was amalgamated with the
'C' cars in '92.  The K-cars had much in common with '80 and up E-cars,
as Paul suggested.

Kevin Wong

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 16:47:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Another Jerk, Was: Olds Museum Visit

>>Do you think Mr. Saplan could be a little more rude?!
>
>Seeing as how is from Virginia Tech, he either knows our friend Mr.
Pruett >(grpruett@vt.edu), or is now dating my x-girlfriend
(acsinsi@vt.edu). >

Yup,  I know him. (ducking rotten vegetables) there's a story (and a
p*i--ing contest) behind all this.

He's a friend of my roomate and he has been the victim of a practical
joke. My roomate subscribed Will Saplan to 30 listserves in retaliation
to a previous prank.  When I saw Will's posts I asked my roomate about
it, he stood there a moment with a dumb grin on his face then cracked up
and told me about what he had done.  It so happens he subscribed Will to
our little list because he knew it had a lot of traffic.  He knew about
it because of me, of course, but he looked up the subscibe adress on
line, I didn't give it to him, honest.  I had nothing to do with it.

So, when Will checked e-mail today and posted to our list, he was
apparently distraught and didn't realize he'd been had.  I imagine his
in box was pretty full.  When he said he didn't know why he was on the
list, he wasn't kidding.  He is actually a nice, easygoing guy, but as
you have seen he can get pretty nasty when he is p*--ed off.

So that's why Will is leaving us dirty messages and generally making an
ass of himself.  Basically my roomate just hates to be outdone and
ocasionally does stupid stuff because of it.

Thanks,
Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser

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From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 01:48:59 -0400
Subject: Re: It won't start!!

Well hey folks I had my embarrased Ninety-Eight towed home tonight.  The
co-operative drive helped me push it into the garage which was awfully
nice of him.  He also started talking about his father who used to get
speeding tickets in his 66 Toronado.  Apparently he owned a 66, then a
73, then an 84 Toronado.  Obviously a man with taste.  Of course I ask
the question I always do: "Gee does he still have them??".  "Nope" is
always the answer.

Anyway, it seems it was just flooded as Charley suggested.  I took the
carb off, revealing pools of gasoline in the manifold.  I figured I'd
rather nurse it back to health at home rather than on the "you can get
towed away anytime here" streets of Toronto.  It's about time to put it
away for the winter anyway.

Thanks to all for the advice.

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

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From: Ken Pilidis <kpilidis@compusmart.ab.ca>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 02:24:26 -0400
Subject: unsubscribe

I am being over run with e-mail I can't read please cross me off your
list until I have more time.

Thanks

Ken Pilidis

kpilidis@compusmart.ab.ca

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From: Ken Pilidis <kpilidis@compusmart.ab.ca>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 02:31:42 -0400
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 17:25:50 -0400
Subject: Oh boy.(was Re: Olds Museum Visit)

>>X-Sender: grpruett@mail.vt.edu
>>Date: 	Thu, 14 Nov 1996 14:49:28 -0400
>>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>>From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
>>Subject: Re: Olds Museum Visit
>>Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>>
>>        How the fuck do I get off this damn List server?!!!  I don't
even >>know why I'm on this damn thing and I'm sick of getting your
friggin mail! >> >>				William S. Saplan >> > 
>Didn't Greg Pruett used
to subscribe to the list?  Does he still?  Maybe the >digest..

Sorry about that, I don't understand why this came from my mailbox.  My
roomate wanted me to forward the original message to him, did I post it
to the list somehow?  I checked my out box and this message was there,
so it came from my computer, it wasn't my intent to send it though.

Sorry again
Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:53:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Spotted: Another '67 Cutlass Convt.

Yes indeed - and watch, it'd be the right price & I'll have to figure
out how to get it to California too.


I saw a '66 in a boneyard (non-convert) that Iike the body style on - is
the '69-'70 one of those that has quarter panels even longer than yours
(my former) '67 Cutlass'?


Keep me posted -



Lisa Madsen


<color><param>8080,0000,8080</param>Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 &
'72 Vista Cruiser

</color>

Please E-Mail me at-----:
<bold><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>Lisa@hotglass.com

</color></bold>

My Web-Page-----:
<bold><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>http://exo.com/~jht/olds/</col
or></bold>

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:53:34 -0400
Subject: Re:JL pace cars and W-31 distributors

Whats your price on the JL cars?  Might be interested (& I will reply
either way)




Lisa Madsen


<color><param>8080,0000,8080</param>Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 &
'72 Vista Cruiser

</color>

Please E-Mail me at-----:
<bold><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>Lisa@hotglass.com

</color></bold>

My Web-Page-----:
<bold><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>http://exo.com/~jht/olds/</col
or></bold>

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 05:31:55 -0400
Subject: Dash replacement parts

Had an inquiry off my web page for a guy with a '70 4-4-2 who says he
needs to replace the chrome colored 'beading' on his dash.  I think he's
referring to the sorta-kinda strip that goes around the dash just under
the pad from the top (I'm referencing my '72 V-C dash s similar piece).
Anyway, please reply with suggestions to where he could find this
replacement and/or how to get it re-plasticed-chromed directly to him at
MrHyde68@aol.com


Much thanks -

Lisa Madsen


<color><param>8080,0000,8080</param>Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 &
'72 Vista Cruiser

</color>

Please E-Mail me at-----:
<bold><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>Lisa@hotglass.com

</color></bold>

My Web-Page-----:
<bold><color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>http://exo.com/~jht/olds/</col
or></bold>

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 06:29:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Another Jerk, Was: Olds Museum Visit

>So that's why Will is leaving us dirty messages and generally making an
ass >of himself.  Basically my roomate just hates to be outdone and
ocasionally >does stupid stuff because of it.

     Uh, oh, Does Hustler have a majordomo list?  Should we be
forewarned?   :)

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 06:29:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Performance times

>
>Of course, the joke here is that you were claiming to get 110 miles per
>GALLON, when you meant

   <Big Snip>  Only Mopars can do that...  Its amazing the mileage you
can get when you're relyibg on the  pickup in front of  you to provide
the power.........    :)

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 06:29:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Another Jerk, Was: Olds Museum Visit

>Mike,
>
>Is this your version of "You know where to go!"?  Where is your
Southern >hospitality?  I'm ashamed of y'all.  Here in AL we would just
shoot him. > > >Bill Culp >Decatur, Alabama

Yeah, but ya gotta be careful, 'cuz he might be yer cuzzin or bruther,
or both...

               (Sorry,  I just ~had~ to..... :)  ...)


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@opihi.ohana.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:24:57 -0400
Subject: Back!

Well my mail server was down for a couple of weeks but its back up
again. Before it went down I had forgotten to post that I had just
gotten my 72 Cutlass "up and running" again after an engine and
transmission rebuild...the 455 received a mild working over and the
turbo 350 trans was replaced with an M-21 (2.52 first) Muncie....anyone
with manual trans/bigblock experrience please drop me a line, i'd like
to hear from you...

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:02:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Performance times

> >I'm a litle confused here..what do you mean by the above sentence?
> >"let us all in on your secret!!!"  I've never had a car that didn't
get > >up to 120 without a problem.  Even my 72 CS with a 350 and 4bbl
had no > >problem, of course my 442 gets there (and beyond) faster. > >
Of course, the joke here is that you were claiming to get 110 miles per >
GALLON, when you meant 110 mph... > > And then you said (at first) that
every car you ever had would get up to > 1200 (mph?mpg?), so we all just
thought you'd escaped from the asylum... ;) > Man do I feel
embarrassed!  Especially because I normally catch the stuff like that.
BTW, we prefer the to use the term "sanctuary" instead of asylum.

Kurt
71 442

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From: Dennis Johnson <dwjohnso@sunbird.usd.edu>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:20:31 -0400
Subject: RE: Local car for sale

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To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Local car for sale

Found this today in the weekly local want ads paper:

"1966 F-85 DELUXE OLDSMOBILE, 4-dr., maroon, prototype for Cutlass, very
rare, needs some work to run.  A/T, body in good shape, some rust, 301
V* engine, must sell.  $500 OBO.  Great car to restore.  Call days
(407)259-5055, night time (407)952-8056."

Prototype for Cutlass?  Very rare (heh, maybe 'cause it's a 4 door)?
301 V8?  Needs "some" work to run?  "Some" rust?  Thinking about
offering him $100 for it...whaddya think? - -- Dave Paulison
1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Melbourne, Florida             1993
Mitsubishi Eclipse GS dpauliso@gate.net

I would ask for proof as to how it is a "prototype".  You never know
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"ugly" car.  Turns out it is a 40 Lincoln Zephyr 4-door...with a 12 in
it!  They were right though, It is ugly. dj

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From: Frank Boerger <103454.317@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:31:58 -0400
Subject: FW: Another Jerk, Was: Olds Museum Visit

>Mike Frederick wrote:
>
> Lord Raiden, God of Thunder and Lightning & Protector of the Realm of
> Earth wrote:
> >
> > How the f**k do I get off this damn List server?!!!  I don't even
> > know why I'm on this damn thing and I'm sick of getting your friggin
> > mail!
> >                                 William S. Saplan
>
> About now, we're pretty tired of you, too.  If you had read the
greeting > messages you received when you subscribed, you'd know how to
unsubscribe. > But since that seems a little beyond your capabilities,
you might try > sending a message of "unsubscribe oldsmobile" to
majordomo@chebucto.ns.ca > > That is, if Greg hasn't already booted you
sorry butt off... > > The 66 Toro and Mike > >

>Mike,

>Is this your version of "You know where to go!"?  Where is your
Southern >hospitality?  I'm ashamed of y'all.  Here in AL we would just
shoot him.


>Bill Culp

I'm surprised at all of you, a little consideration, please !  After
all, he is 	 	" Lord Raiden, God of Thunder and Lightning & 
Protector 	
of the Realm of Earth"

And according to my book of Nordic Roons, he was known as the "snotty
little tactless god that nobody invited to parties...

Frank Boerger//Tallahassee

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From: Francis Bowens <hisfb@stud.hum.aau.dk>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:38:40 -0400
Subject: seek 1952 olds=?iso-8859-1?Q??=

Who own's a 1952 Oldsmobile super 88 rocket 4 - door sedan over-there
 Please write to Chris on this address, Denmark, Europe...

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From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 08:50:20 -0400
Subject: 83 Toro for sale $475

There is a 83 Toronado for sell at a local dealer here in Augusta GA. I
have seen it for a few days now on my way home from work. I stopped
yesterday to have a look. It is in need of some work, missing RR side
window, dent on LS door, missing glove box door, and needs some type of
transmission bolts????. A sign on it said if runs good. The leather
seats look real nice. It is a maroon color inside and out. $475 is what
is marked on the WS. Here is the phone number of the dealer Joye & Co.
706-560-2733.


Bobby

70 442
92 Seville
88 Seville

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:36:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Side window glass for '74 Omega 4dr



     Needed is the driver's side rear window glass for a '74 Omega
4-door.
     Not the door window, the small triangular "wing" window (I think
     that's what it's called) on the rear door.  Thanks!

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

          Try a similar year Chevy Nova or Pontiac Ventura - They
          should be the same.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30



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From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 09:00:19 -0400
Subject: RE: Local car for sale

Dave

I dont know if you know it or not but you are sending a file with your
mail. It said "application". I seen the same file yesterday on one of
your post. Is this something you wanted to send or what.

Bobby

70 442
92 Seville
88 Seville
________________________________________________________________________
_______ From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Fri, Nov 15, 1996 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: Local car for sale To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca' File(s):
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Sent: 	Thursday, November 14, 1996 9:57 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Local car for sale

Found this today in the weekly local want ads paper:

"1966 F-85 DELUXE OLDSMOBILE, 4-dr., maroon, prototype for Cutlass, very
rare, needs some work to run.  A/T, body in good shape, some rust, 301
V* engine, must sell.  $500 OBO.  Great car to restore.  Call days
(407)259-5055, night time (407)952-8056."

Prototype for Cutlass?  Very rare (heh, maybe 'cause it's a 4 door)?
301 V8?  Needs "some" work to run?  "Some" rust?  Thinking about
offering him $100 for it...whaddya think? - -- Dave Paulison
1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Melbourne, Florida             1993
Mitsubishi Eclipse GS dpauliso@gate.net

I would ask for proof as to how it is a "prototype".  You never know
where you find weird stuff.  Someone here in SD said they found an
"ugly" car.  Turns out it is a 40 Lincoln Zephyr 4-door...with a 12 in
it!  They were right though, It is ugly. dj



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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:18:00 -0400
Subject: [none]

>The battery charges fine, starts every time, etc, I just have that dumb
GEN >idiot light glowing all the time.
 - --
>Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
>dpauliso@gate.net

Dave,
Have you checked to make sure that the wire running to the idiot light
is not accidentally grounded somewhere?  As I recall, idoit lights come
on when the sender creates a ground condition. Scott Mullen '70 442

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:32:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Mennonite Diesels

At 11:35 PM 11/14/96 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 96-11-14 09:59:06 EST, you write:
>
>> You make an interesting point, that diesel fuel is less refined.
Gasoline >> is lighter, boils at a lower temperature, and comes out of
the distilling >> tower first, diesel fuel is the next set of molicules,
so it comes off >next. >> So actually it is in the process longer, it is
more refined!!! > >Sorry, but I didn't make this point.  You had better
take this up with the >gentleman that did, as I am ignorant to any
refining methods. > >> I expect >> that that is a clumbsy reason for
your neighbors to have a diesel car. > >I don't think I understand how a
reason can be "clumsy", but I didn't give >the religious acceptability
as the reason for Mennonites driving Diesels. > >> I think they have
telephones too. > >And I don't have any idea what telephones has to do
with any of this???  I'm >beginning to wish that I had never taken part
in these Diesel posts. > >> I had an Amish aquantance that has a car,
and all of the chrome is painted >>  black.  Maybe someday theywill
catch up with the Mennonites. >> >>  Cliff Feiler >> > >Well, if you
had an Amish acquaintance that had a "black bumper" car, then >he's
going to hell for sure, according to the Amish folks around here.  I
>think you have Amish and Mennonite confused. > >The Amish are not
allowed anything "worldly".  No car, no electricity, no >phones.  They
are allowed to have things that are natural gas powered, such >as
refrigerators.  All the Amish around here use horse and buggy for
>transportation.  They don't even have gasoline powered machines to work
the >fields, they rely on horses for that too.  Amish are allowed to
ride in a >car, but they may not own one.  They may go to the neighbor
and use the >telephone, but they may not have one in their home.  Some
have gotten around >this by having them mounted on the pole by the road
(ala Green Acres), for >use in case of an emergency.  Amish women are
always seen wearing white or >black bonnets. > >Mennonites used to be
very strict about "black bumpers".  They have many of >the same beliefs
as the Amish, but wont go to hell for being "worldly".  I >remember as a
little kid, you could spot Mennonites a mile away because the >only
things on their cars that weren't painted black were the lights and
>windows.  All chrome, wheel covers, name plates where painted black, as
was >the car.  Blackwall tires, too.  Nowadays the older, stricter
Mennonites >still have a lot of black cars, but the chrome and trim is
no longer painted >black.  Some of them have even graduated to dark
grays and light blues.  But >the younger folks like their reds, much to
the dismay of their parents. > Mennonite women are always seen wearing
black or white caps.  We call them >"strainer caps". > >That's how they
are around here, been livin' with 'em for 28 years.  Don't >know what
they're like where you're from. > >Paul >Dropping this topic > >
Consider it dropped.  I did not intend to make an judgment about any
ones religion.  It was just a point of conversation.  My Amish
acquaintance worked with me at St. Louis Chevrolet 1968-1970 and was a
fine fellow.  His wardrobe was typical.  He had an older GM car, I do
not remember the make, about a'47 to '49.  He had to have his car to get
to work, probably close to 60 miles.  He also had a horse and buggy.  He
was very handy in the woodshop too.

Cliff Feiler

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:34:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Local car for sale

At 11:57 PM 11/14/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Found this today in the weekly local want ads paper:
>
>"1966 F-85 DELUXE OLDSMOBILE, 4-dr., maroon, prototype for Cutlass,
very >rare, needs some work to run.  A/T, body in good shape, some rust,
301 V* >engine, must sell.  $500 OBO.  Great car to restore.  Call days
>(407)259-5055, night time (407)952-8056." > >Prototype for Cutlass?
Very rare (heh, maybe 'cause it's a 4 door)?  301 >V8?  Needs "some"
work to run?  "Some" rust?  Thinking about offering him >$100 for
it...whaddya think? >-- >Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile
Cutlass Supreme >Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi
Eclipse GS >dpauliso@gate.net > > > A $100. might be his B.O. but do you
really want it that bad.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:46:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Performance times

Jason Adcock wrote:

> If you were going 110mpg in a muscle car, let us all in on your
secret!!! :-)

No cops around :-)

Chris Sparks.

PS  I had it there only momentarily.  I chickened a little

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:54:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Interior colors

Lloyd Culp wrote:

> No, No!  You haven't sinned.  Now I have the ooooooooooonly one in the
> universe including Mars.  This is quite an honor.

Well I don't know about that.  A few weeks ago I saw a 68 exactly like
me
except his exterior was the Teal Frost (Beauuuutiful) and the interior
was
a darker looking teal.  I personally think either all black or all white
interior looks better since the teal would tend to fade.

> In full confession, mine started as a teal paint & teal interior
> scheme.  That blue vinyl on the header sounds like yours might have
been > like mine originally.  The teal interior is definitely not even a
close > match for the teal exterior & thus the planned change.

What is odd is that the seats are white, the door panel are a combo of
white and black, the dash is black with pin-stripping, the steering
wheel
is black, and the windshield piller molding are that darkish teal blue.
Even more odd is that the seats/head liner are two different patterns.
Talk about a good eye test!!!  It just struck me funny that Oldsmobile
would put so many colors into a car.  I can see at most two but three?

Go figure.

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:57:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Performance times

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
>
> Jason Adcock wrote:
> >
> > At 11:06 AM 11/14/96 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> > >could go 165mph.  On the other hand, when I was going 110mpg the
other > > > > >Chris Sparks > > >68 442 > > > > If you were going 110mpg
in a muscle car, let us all in on your secret!!! :-) > > > I'm a litle
confused here..what do you mean by the above sentence? > "let us all in
on your secret!!!"  I've never had a car that didn't get > up to 120
without a problem.  Even my 72 CS with a 350 and 4bbl had no > problem,
of course my 442 gets there (and beyond) faster. > > Ooopppsss > sorry
about the last one it should have read 120, not 1200

Kurt I think Jason is stating the opportunity of going that fast as
opposed to physically going that fast.  I know that I wasn't even close
to
flooring it at 110.  I am a little hestitant to go faster than that
since
I don't want my speedometer to break.

Oh well :-)))

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:55:08 -0400
Subject: alabama cutlass

Bill,
A guy called me last evening from Alabama wanting to sell his car. I
talked to him a couple years ago when the 70 Cutlass his Dad gave him
caught fire inside. He was looking for blue interior pieces. Now he
realizes he doesn't have time to work on the car and wants to sell it.
It also comes with a 70 parts car. He said he wants $4000 for both, but
if you're interested you might get your kinda deal. If interested, E
mail me at my address.

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:01:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Performance times

Brad Otto wrote:

> There is a 2 charachter code stamped on the backside of the right axle
> housing of the rear end.  This code will tell you what ratio the rear
end is > and whether or not it is posi.

Excuse for my ignorance, since I am not that mechanically inclined,
would
I be able to get under my car, please no jokes :-), and look up and to
the
right of the differential see a 2 character code?

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:04:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Performance times

Robert J. Barry wrote:

> Of course, the joke here is that you were claiming to get 110 miles
per > GALLON, when you meant 110 mph...

Ooooops.  Freudian slip (has nothing to do with the tranny :-))

> And then you said (at first) that every car you ever had would get up
to > 1200 (mph?mpg?), so we all just thought you'd escaped from the
asylum... ;)

They are coming to take us away ha ha. (You know the song) :-)))

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:01:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Big blocks and 4 speeds

Someone inquired about experiences with 4 speeds and big blocks. I have
had good and bad times with my 455 4 speed 4-4-2. I have destroyed a few
transmission mounts until I went with a solid mount from Mr.Gasket in
1974. I go through rear control arm bushings fairly often. I also have
replaced a few input shafts and counter gears since 1973. The weakest
link seems to be the Muncie 4 speed. On the plus side, I have not had
any trouble from the heavy duty 3.42 rear axle. I did replace the
original U-joints a couple of years ago just for peace of mind as they
still seemed to be ok after 100,000 miles. Good luck with all that
torque and a manual transmission!

Dave Wyatt  70 4-4-2

------------------------------

From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:12:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Dash replacement parts

I replaced the chrome bead on my 70 4-4-2 dash a few years ago. I got my
 replacement from Oldsmobile. They did not stock the 70 part but did
have the 71-72 type. the 70 part is solid and glues in place, the 71-72
is hollow and has these little pins to hold it in place. I went ahead
and glued mine to the dash since I did not want to poke holes in my
dash pad. Once installed you cannot tell the difference. I used a clear
3-M emblem adheasive. When I installed this part in 1985 it was a
little too long for the horizontal portion. It comes with pre bent
corners. I had to do a little persuading (reshaping) to make it work.
Last year (1995) I notice it had shrunk up a little and was coming
loose. I cleaned it up and re-installed it, it fits better this time. I
believe I have seen this part in the Year One catalog and it may still
be available from Olds.

Dave Wyatt   70 4-4-2

------------------------------

From: VUBS79A@prodigy.com (MR DREW A DURIGAN)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 10:51:30 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: ECM Problems

>Or you could be on the lookout for one at your local parts yard(s).
You must
>get an ECM from a car equipped with pretty much the same accessories
as your
>car.

This is what I'll do eventually.  It does look kind of silly to have
a flat red bar propped between the dashboard and the floor on the
passenger side.  And I'm sure the connection will eventually get
worse, so this probably won't work forever.  Oh well...I'll enjoy it
while it lasts! <g>

- -Drew-

------------------------------

From: "Thomas Stoner" <TGSTONER@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:28:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Another Jerk

>>Do you think Mr. Saplan could be a little more rude?!
>
>Seeing as how is from Virginia Tech, he either knows our friend Mr.
Pruett >(grpruett@vt.edu), or is now dating my x-girlfriend
(acsinsi@vt.edu). >

Yup,  I know him. (ducking rotten vegetables) there's a story (and a
p*i--ing contest) behind all this.

He's a friend of my roomate and he has been the victim of a practical
joke. My roomate subscribed Will Saplan to 30 listserves in retaliation
to a previous prank.  When I saw Will's posts I asked my roomate about
it, he stood there a moment with a dumb grin on his face then cracked up
and told me about what he had done.  It so happens he subscribed Will to
our little list because he knew it had a lot of traffic.  He knew about
it because of me, of course, but he looked up the subscibe adress on
line, I didn't give it to him, honest.  I had nothing to do with it.

So, when Will checked e-mail today and posted to our list, he was
apparently distraught and didn't realize he'd been had.  I imagine his
in box was pretty full.  When he said he didn't know why he was on the
list, he wasn't kidding.  He is actually a nice, easygoing guy, but as
you have seen he can get pretty nasty when he is p*--ed off.

So that's why Will is leaving us dirty messages and generally making an
ass of himself.  Basically my roomate just hates to be outdone and
ocasionally does stupid stuff because of it.

Thanks,
Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser

*****

I certainly don't know about the rules for conduct of information
technology users at Virginia Tech, but here at the University of
Michigan such a stunt would likely result in at least temporary
suspension of a user's access privledges.  So would such careless use
of such language.

****************************************************
Thomas G. Stoner
Senior Computer Systems Specialist
MCIT - Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation
University of Michigan Medical Center
Ann Arbor, Michigan
tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu
****************************************************

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From: Dennis Johnson <dwjohnso@sunbird.usd.edu>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:33:32 -0400
Subject: RE: Interior colors

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From: 	Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)[SMTP:sparks@aisf.com]
Sent: 	Friday, November 15, 1996 8:54 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Re: Interior colors

Lloyd Culp wrote:

> No, No!  You haven't sinned.  Now I have the ooooooooooonly one in the
> universe including Mars.  This is quite an honor.

Well I don't know about that.  A few weeks ago I saw a 68 exactly like
me
except his exterior was the Teal Frost (Beauuuutiful) and the interior
was
a darker looking teal.  I personally think either all black or all white
interior looks better since the teal would tend to fade.

> In full confession, mine started as a teal paint & teal interior
> scheme.  That blue vinyl on the header sounds like yours might have
been > like mine originally.  The teal interior is definitely not even a
close > match for the teal exterior & thus the planned change.

What is odd is that the seats are white, the door panel are a combo of
white and black, the dash is black with pin-stripping, the steering
wheel
is black, and the windshield piller molding are that darkish teal blue.
Even more odd is that the seats/head liner are two different patterns.
Talk about a good eye test!!!  It just struck me funny that Oldsmobile
would put so many colors into a car.  I can see at most two but three?

Go figure.
Chris Sparks

Have a friend with a Buick GS...same problem.  Seems to me GM just
wouldn't put in an all white interior.
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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 11:58:52 -0400
Subject: RE: Interior colors

At 11:33 AM 11/15/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>----------
>From: 	Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)[SMTP:sparks@aisf.com]
>Sent: 	Friday, November 15, 1996 8:54 AM
>To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 	Re: Interior colors
>
>Lloyd Culp wrote:
>
>> No, No!  You haven't sinned.  Now I have the ooooooooooonly one in
the >> universe including Mars.  This is quite an honor. > >Well I don't
know about that.  A few weeks ago I saw a 68 exactly like >me >except
his exterior was the Teal Frost (Beauuuutiful) and the interior >was >a
darker looking teal.  I personally think either all black or all white
>interior looks better since the teal would tend to fade. > >> In full
confession, mine started as a teal paint & teal interior >> scheme.
That blue vinyl on thRe: e header sounds like yours might have been >>
like mine originally.  The teal interior is definitely not even a close
>> match for the teal exterior & thus the planned change. > >What is odd
is that the seats are white, the door panel are a combo of >white and
black, the dash is black with pin-stripping, the steering >wheel >is
black, and the windshield piller molding are that darkish teal blue.
>Even more odd is that the seats/head liner are two different patterns.
>Talk about a good eye test!!!  It just struck me funny that Oldsmobile
>would put so many colors into a car.  I can see at most two but three? >
>Go figure. >Chris Sparks > >Have a friend with a Buick GS...same
problem.  Seems to me GM just >wouldn't put in an all white interior.
>dj > > >Attachment Converted: C:\WINSOCK\EUDORA\REInteri

Re: Multi-colored interiors & my 2 years at Chevrolet

I spent some time in final line inspection at St. Louis Chevrolet, and
occasionally some color of interior part would go out of stock.  The
assembler would install another color piece (the vehicle had to be
complete when it left the line) and it would be marked for repair.
Repair would then remove the offending part, and replace it with the
proper one when they were again instock.

I always wondered if any were ever shipped unrepaired.  I saw some red
Corvettes with incorrect black interior parts, and I thought it was
better looking than what was supposed to be there.

While it is unlikely that some of the multi-colored interiors came about
in this manner, it is certainly possible.  I also think that the
assemblers would add contrasting parts, ie, not a vivid green dash to a
red car with an otherwise maroon interior.

Cliff feiler

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:00:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Performance times

> They are coming to take us away ha ha. (You know the song) :-)))

Hee-hee, ho-ho, to the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the
time.. > > Chris Sparks


Showin' yer age, Chris, but then, so am I :) ...done by someone named
Louis XXXVI, or some such... talk about yer one hit wonders!

...and wasn't it Ross Perot's campaign '96 theme song?  Oops, sorry,
that's right, no politics here... :)


Tim ('60s Rock Trivia R Us) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, nickname yet to be determined
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: John & Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com>
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 19:04:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Performance times

>>
>> At 11:06 AM 11/14/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>> >could go 165mph.  On the other hand, when I was going 110mpg the
other >> >> >>Chris Sparks >> >>68 442 >> >> If you were going 110mpg in
a muscle car, let us all in on your secret!!! :-) >> >I'm a litle
confused here..what do you mean by the above sentence? "let us all in on
your secret!!!"  I've never had a car that didn't get up to 120 without
a problem.  Even my 72 CS with a 350 and 4bbl had no problem, of course
my 442 gets there (and beyond) faster. > >Ooopppsss sorry about the last
one it should have read 120, not 1200 > >Kurt >71 442

MPG=Miles Per Gallon....If you're getting 110 MPG out of your 442 I
think you just solved the world's energy problems single handedly :)

.....j

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 04:04:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Omega's

     Yes, it's the equivalent of a Nova.  In fact, I used to own a '76
Nova
     (but I got better) that had a front fender off of an Omega on it.
Fit
     just fine.

     No, I don't think they came with 455's unless there's some type of
     Police variant.  The standard engine in these is a Chevy 250 L6,
but I
     think you could get them with Rocket 350's also.

     Besides the fact that most people think they're ugly (me included),

     they're not commonly made into performance cars because they lack a

     full frame.  Don't let that stop you though, if you want it still
     could be done as long as you're not looking for a 10-second car.
     That, and I think the fact that most Olds fans like big cars and
space
     to work under the hood. . .

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Omega's Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    11/14/96 5:52 PM


Hi,

Is the Omega Old's equivalent to a Nova?  I have never seen them in the
paper, but I saw a car which looked a lot like a Nova around town last
weekend, and the nameplate said Oldsmobile.  What's the scoop on this
car?  Did they come with 455's?!  And 4 speed's?  Even w/ only a Rocket
350 I bet this car could haul.  It's very small compared w/ the
Cutlass's (at least the car I thought could have been an Omega).

thanks,
anthony


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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:27:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Performance times

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:

> ...and wasn't it Ross Perot's campaign '96 theme song?  Oops, sorry,
that's > right, no politics here... :)

Be nice.  Some of us like Ross. :-)  Anyway "the problem is...".  OK, OK
I'm back now.  I was having one of those Ross Perot channelling moments.
:-)

Chris Sparks

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:02:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Omega's

>The Omega was a rear wheel drive car from 73-79.  In 80 they became
FWD. >The Omega came with 6-250 chevys engines and also 350 Olds motors
>until 76. In 77-79 the Omega came with a 6-231 and 305 Chevy and >350
Olds and 350 chevy and also the 260 olds.  In 73 and 74 you could >get a
SX Omega with a 350 Olds.  The Omega's cousins are the Nova, >Buick
Apollo, and the Pontiac Ventura.  Sorry no big blocks, but I think >you
could get a 4 spd.

Wonder why Olds did not offer the 455 in the Omega? Last summer we had a
74 Buick Apollo with the original Buick 455 in it. That car has since
lost its life to the shredder...:) - - - - - - - - - - - - Jason Labay
Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) or (jlabay@kent.edu) Sports Administration
graduate student at Kent State University 88 Camaro Iroc-Z/28...see it
in the December issue of Chevy High Performance 80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30....
see it at http://www.442.com/labay.html

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From: BRAD.NICHOLSON@ssa.gov
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 12:55:10 -0400
Subject: Beverly Hillbilly's

     FYI - Found these little tidbits in a in a book at a book store
about
     George Barris & TV cars he was responsible for:

     The Beverly Hillbilly's truck was based on a 1920's Oldsmobile
Touring
     Sedan.
     Also had pictures of the Mannix Toronado convertible.  Look for an
     episode where he is in the old west.

     Just thought about starting a fire on a Friday.

     BTW - this is coming from my work, BRAD.NICHOLSON@SSA.GOV, not
     compuserve.  I'll be here until 4PM EST for any replys.

      ---
     | | | Brad Nicholson
     | | | 1987 442 W-42
     |/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
     | | | 76062.3042@compuserve.com
      ---

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From: Richard Bonazzoli <bonazzoli@5onflr.ENET.dec.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:43:54 -0400
Subject: RE: Omega's

A friend of mine had an Omega with a stout Olds 350
in it.  This car hauled!  They are fairly light, and
make great sleepers.

Rich Bonazzoli

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 13:49:36 -0400
Subject: Please Stop: "Politics and Religion"

Sorry to cloud up an otherwise sunny Friday...

I'm putting on my administrator's hat again to give one last friendly
reminder about the "politics and religion" posts. I normally wouldn't
bother, but I'm annoyed, frankly, that some have chosen to ignore my
message of earlier this week and have continued to post those things
here. They don't belong, and this is the last time I'll issue a general
request to stop. From here on out, specific warnings are going to have
to be sent to people, and you know the rules on that: 3 of those and you
 are out of here.

I regret having to do this, but there are entirely too many off-topic
discussions going on here and I am having more and more people use this
as the reason to get off the list. Keep it on-topic - Oldsmobile, that
is - please!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@DADC.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 07:56:13 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 rebuild costs

Here are my estimates when my brother and I did a rebuild to a '72 455
from a Cutlass.  I say estimates because my brother didn't keep all of
the receipts. He also handled all of the tear down and assembly chores
as this was done in 1992.  NAPA did the machine work to the block and
heads.  This included .010 on the crank and .030 on the cylinders,
magnaflux , hot tank and I think align hone of the mains.  The heads
received the usual three angle job.  We purchased gaskets and I think
also bearings and freeze plugs from NAPA.  We purchased an Edelbrock
package consisting of double roller timing chain and gears, camshaft
with lifters (I'm assuming it came with lifters, don't remember) and
intake manifold.  We also purchased items from Mondello and PAW, these
included 8:1 pistons, rings, oil pump (I think), ARP head studs, main
studs, rod bolts, roller tip rockers (stock ratio I think) and possibly
some other things that I can't think of right now.  Blackjack headers
were purchased from a street rod shop in town.  The block came from the
junk yard for $100 and we had to pull it from the car (sure wish we got
the TH400 with it but decided not to get it). It had everything from
intake to oil pan and flywheel to water pump, no pulleys, no carb, no
distributor, don't remember if it had a fuel pump.  We swapped it into
a '77 Buick LeSabre that had the original 350R Olds with 150,000 miles
on it.  Grand total was approx. $1500 Anything that the engine didn't
have we swapped from the 350R Olds, pulleys, carb, fuel pump, hei
distributor.  The engine has recently been removed and is now sitting
in my garage waiting for a vehicle to be dropped into. Anyone have any
ideas as to a suitable vehicle, I plan on bracket racing it and would
like to have something a little bit different.  I've thought of finding
a 70-72 Cutlass (non Supreme) or a wagon from the same era.  My latest
thought was to find a 78-87 Cutlass or possibly a Cutlass Wagon and
make a "newer" version of a 442 W-30 wagon.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN

1969 W-31 Cutlass
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertible - for sale
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 Hatchback
and a 1972 Olds 455/TH350 drivetrain looking for a home


>Well, I'm swapping the 350 in my 72 Delta 88 Conv. for a '69 455
(courtesy >of Chris Witt).  This will be my first rebuild/swap.  This
will be a very >budget rebuild.  Just trying to restore engine to
original condition, with a >few hi-performance part where economical.
Right now I'm trying to get a >ballpark figure of what this is gonna
cost me.

>Could those of you who've rebuilt 455's give a run down of the costs
>involved?  I only need estimations.

>This is what I figured:

>Engine: $350
>Valve job: 350 (w/ hardened valve seats, pushrods, and lifters?)
>Rings, gaskets, seals, timing chain, and rod bearings: 200-250
>Dual exhaust: 400 (including flowmasters)
>Tranny rebuild:  400 (ouch!)

>I'm sure there will be other little things, but isn't this the bulk of
it? >Am about right with the costs?  What else should I count on?

>Thanks for you help, it's much appreciated.

>-Aaron

> _____
>|  |  |* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>|  |  | Aaron Neumann St. Marys, OH  *
>|  |  | neumann.12@osu.edu           *
>| /|\ | 72 Delta 88 Royale Conv.     *
>|/_|_\|* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *




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From: Steve Ochs <76057.1404@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:41:49 -0400
Subject: GM Platform Letters

Here is a complete (I hope) list of GM platform letter designations (I
am doing this from memory): Note: The names shown are for vehicles sold
in U.S.  Names of vehicles sold in Canada may vary slightly.  Also,
years listed may be +/- 1 year.

Steve Ochs - Engineer - GM Powertrain - Transmission Division

GM Passenger Vehicles:
     A - 64-80: RWD Cutlass/Skylark/Chevelle/LeMans/Malibu/Regal/Special
           82-96: FWD Ciera/Century/Celebrity/6000
     A Special - 68-80: RWD Monte Carlo/Grand Prix

     B - 62-95:  RWD Delta
88/LeSabre/Caprice/Bonneville/Roadmaster/Parisienne/Catalina/Impala,etc.

     C - Dn-83:  RWD Delta 98/Electra
            84-Up:  FWD 98/Park Ave

     D - Dn-96: RWD Fleetwood/Sedan DeVille/Limo

     E - Dn-94: Toronado/Eldorado/Riviera

     F - 67-up: Camaro/Firebird

     G - 81-88: RWD Sedan Cutlass/Regal/Malibu/Bonneville
           95-up: FWD Aurora/Riviera
     G-Special - 81-88: RWD Coupe Cutlass/Regal/Monte Carlo/Grand Prix

     H - 75-80: RWD Starfire/Skyhawk/Sunbird/Monza
           85-Up: FWD Bonneville/Delta 88/LeSabre

     J - 81-Up:  FWD Firenza/Skyhawk/Sunbird/Cavalier/Sunfire

     K - 85-Up: FWD Seville
     K Special - 84-Up: FWD Deville/Concours

     L - 87-96: FWD Corsica/Berretta

     M - 85-Up: FWD Chevy Sprint/Geo Metro

     N - 85-Up: FWD Calais/Somerset-Skylark/Grand Am

     P - 84-88:  Fiero
           97-Up: Electric - EV1

     P-90 - 1997-Up:  FWD Malibu/Cutlass

     S - 84-Up: Chevy Nova/Geo Prizm

     T - 74-85:  RWD Chevette/T-1000

     V - 97-Up: RWD Cadillac Catera

     W - 1988-1997/98: FWD (GM-10) Cutlass Supreme/Regal/Grand
Prix/Lumina
            1997/98-Up:  FWD (MS-2000)  Intrigue/Monte Carlo/Grand
Prix/Century/Regal/Impala

      X - 62-79: RWD Nova/Omega/Ventura/Apollo/Phoenix (also the
original RWD Seville)
            80-85: FWD Omega/Skylark/Phoenix/Citation

      Y - 53-Up: Corvette

      Z - 58-69: Corvair
            90-Up: Saturn

GM Trucks:
     C - All: Full Size 2WD Pickup
           Dn-87: 2WD Blazer/Jimmy/Suburban/Crew Cab
           92-Up: 2WD Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban/Crew Cab

     G - All: Full Size Van

     K - All: Full Size 4WD Pickup, including Blazer/Suburban/Crew Cab
except 88-91
           Dn-87: 4WD Blazer/Jimmy/Suburban/Crew Cab
           92-Up: 4WD Tahoe/Yukon/Suburban/Crew Cab

     L - 91-Up: AWD Astro/Safari

     M - 85-Up: 2WD Astro/Safari

     P - Delivery Van

     R - 88-91: 2WD Blazer/Jimmy/Suburban/Crew Cab (old-style body)

     S - 82-94: 2WD S-10 Pickup/S-15 Pickup/S-10 Blazer/S-15 Jimmy
           95-Up: 2WD S-10 Pickup/Sonoma/Blazer/Jimmy

     T - 82-94: 4WD S-10 Pickup/S-15 Pickup/S-10 Blazer/S-15
Jimmy/Bravada
           95-Up: 4WD S-10 Pickup/Sonoma/Blazer/Jimmy/Bravada

     U - 88-96: Lumina APV/Trans Sport/Silhouette
           97-Up: Venture/Trans Sport/Silhouette

     V - 88-91: 4WD Blazer/Jimmy/Suburban/Crew Cab (old-style body)

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From: VUBS79A@prodigy.com (MR DREW A DURIGAN)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:27:12 -0400
Subject: RE: Omega's

Anyone know what was the number of Omegas produced vs Novas in the
70s?

My guess is that there were quite a few more Chevys produced...I
still see Novas running around town, but I haven't seen an Omega (or
an Apollo, or even a Phoenix) in years.

- -Drew in Sunny Central Florida-

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:41:25 -0400
Subject: Points - HEI Conversions, PHR 1/97

Got my January '97 (boy, is that pushing the date a bit or what?) issue
of Popular Hot Rodding yesterday.  There is a pretty good article titled
"Throwing a Re-Curve at the HEI".  It very nicely explains, with
pictures and text, what I and others have been trying to explain versus
the problems of just dropping an HEI into your engine with no
modifications to the ignition timing. Mechanical and vacuum advance
seetings need to be changed for max performance and to avoid ping/knock.
The HEI was designed and used on emission controlled engines before
there was much technology for such controls.

The timing on HEI's is _much_ different than points distributors.  I
won't go through it again, read the article.  It very nicely explains
the problems and some solutions.  If have already or plan to swap to an
HEI, read this article!  FWIW both of our cars have been converted to
timing modified HEIs and they are great ignitions.

As all such articles do, they push something you just hafta buy.  In
this case an MSD replacement module.  The "GM" labeled module in our '67
works fine to engine well  over 6,000 rpm. My tell-tale tach says I've
been as high as 7,000rpm.  The 70 SX never gets anywhere near that.
There aren't too many Olds engines that will live long at 7,000 so I
don't think you need a new a module unless the one you have is
defective.  And then you won't need an expensive "high performance"
part.  Most parts stores can and will test your module.

There is no specific mention of the recurve weight/spring kits avalable,
nor the adjustable vacuum units.  Since the article states the
Borg-Warner fixed unit wasn't accurate (it made 8 degrees advance and
was labeled as providing 10 degrees), I opt for adjustable units.

Finally, don't be swayed or discouraged from doing this if you want a
great, reliable, inexpensive ignition system just because you don't have
access to a distributor testing machine as used in this article.
Because you do have such a macine.  Your engine, a tach and a timing
light will do everything the fancy machines can.

Bob Handren        OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:50:39 -0400
Subject: Re: GM Platform Letters

I just found some more:

       R - Geo Spectrum/Storm
       U - Lumina APV/Silhouette/Transport

>      V - 97-Up: RWD Cadillac Catera

         - 87-93 Allante

Kevin Wong

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:56:05 -0400
Subject: RE: Local car for sale

At 09:00 AM 11/15/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Dave
>
>I dont know if you know it or not but you are sending a file with your
mail. >It said "application". I seen the same file yesterday on one of
your post. Is >this something you wanted to send or what. > >Bobby > >70
442 >92 Seville >88 Seville
>_______________________________________________________________________
________ >From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Fri, Nov 15, 1996 8:45 AM
>Subject: RE: Local car for sale >To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
>File(s): application > > > > >---------- >From: 	Dave
Paulison[SMTP:dpauliso@gate.net] >Sent: 	Thursday, November 14, 1996
9:57 PM >To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca >Subject: 	Local car for 
sale >
>Found this today in the weekly local want ads paper: > >"1966 F-85
DELUXE OLDSMOBILE, 4-dr., maroon, prototype for Cutlass, very >rare,
needs some work to run.  A/T, body in good shape, some rust, 301 V*
>engine, must sell.  $500 OBO.  Great car to restore.  Call days
>(407)259-5055, night time (407)952-8056." > >Prototype for Cutlass?
Very rare (heh, maybe 'cause it's a 4 door)?  301 >V8?  Needs "some"
work to run?  "Some" rust?  Thinking about offering him >$100 for
it...whaddya think? >-- >Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile
Cutlass Supreme >Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi
Eclipse GS >dpauliso@gate.net > >I would ask for proof as to how it is a
"prototype".  You never know where you >find weird stuff.  Someone here
in SD said they found an "ugly" car.  Turns >out >it is a 40 Lincoln
Zephyr 4-door...with a 12 in it!  They were right though, >It is ugly.
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Johnson <dwjohnso@sunbird.usd.edu> >To:	"'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'"
<oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca> >Subject: RE: Local car for sale >Date:	Fri,
15 Nov 1996 09:20:31 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type:
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>Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca >Precedence: bulk >Reply-To:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca > > - -- Dave Paulison                  1969
Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Melbourne, Florida             1993
Mitsubishi Eclipse GS dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 16:56:02 -0400
Subject: Tasteful cars

>He also started talking about his father who used to get speeding
>tickets in his 66 Toronado.  Apparently he owned a 66, then a 73, then
an >84 Toronado.  Obviously a man with taste.  Of course I ask the
question I >always do: "Gee does he still have them??".  "Nope" is
always the answer.

Yeah, my wife's grandmother had a '63 Olds 98 at one time (not too long
ago!).  She doesn't have it anymore.  *Gave it away* to some kids she
knew. Damn!  I woulda taken it!  She said she had another older Olds,
older than that one,  before the 98.  A woman with taste, but no sense.
Go figger. - -- Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass
Supreme Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:06:35 -0400
Subject: Re: 83 Toro for sale $475

>There is a 83 Toronado for sell at a local dealer here in Augusta GA. I
have >seen it for a few days now on my way home from work. I stopped
yesterday to >have a look. It is in need of some work, missing RR side
window, dent on LS >door, missing glove box door, and needs some type of
transmission bolts????.

This one's ~related~ to "Lucky"...   :)

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:17:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Points - HEI Conversions, PHR 1/97

>If have already or plan to swap to an HEI, read this
>article!  FWIW both of our cars have been converted to timing modified
HEIs >and they are great ignitions. >Bob Handren

I would like to switch sometime soon.  I want to keep my stock air
cleaner. Anybody know if the HEI distributor will fit under a stock '69
350 4bbl air cleaner? - -- Dave Paulison                  1969
Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Melbourne, Florida             1993
Mitsubishi Eclipse GS dpauliso@gate.net

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <TGSTONER@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 17:59:12 -0400
Subject: Re: HEI Conversion

I would like to switch sometime soon.  I want to keep my stock air
cleaner. Anybody know if the HEI distributor will fit under a stock
'69 350 4bbl air cleaner?
*****
Dave,

This doesn't exactly answer your question, but in 1976 I ordered a
new HEI distributor that was the same part number as the one which
was on the 1975 Hurst/Olds.  I installed this on a 1972 442 W-30,
under the stock and unmodified W-25 air cleaner.  Well, actually it
was modified, but only to have better control over when the air
flapper did and did not open.  The only modification which I made to
the distributor (as I recall, over 20 years later) was to change the
centrifical advance springs to the lighter weight ones from a
six-cylinder Chevy.  This supposedly gave full mechanical advance at
a lower rpm.  The air cleaner tub sat right on top of the spark plug
wire boots, but this never seemed to cause any problems.  Since I
believe that the W-25 tub is much larger than the non-OAI air
cleaner assembly, I doubt that you would have any problems.  Since I
was drag racing this car in what was supposed to be a pure stock
class, I was happy to have the distributor almost completely hidden
under the air cleaner and out of the view of the tech inspectors.

****************************************************
Thomas G. Stoner
Senior Computer Systems Specialist
MCIT - Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation
University of Michigan Medical Center
Ann Arbor, Michigan
tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu
****************************************************

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:10:38 -0400
Subject: Re:

>Have you checked to make sure that the wire running to the idiot light
is >not accidentally grounded somewhere?  As I recall, idoit lights
come on when >the sender creates a ground condition. >Scott Mullen

Well, I don't believe the GEN light has a "sender", per se.  The voltage
regulator seems to determine when the bulb lights, but it is very
difficult to try and decipher the circuit for it (at least from the
wiring diagrams I've seen).  Mine isn't lit fully.  Brighter when the
gas tank is empty, dimmer when full, but never fully lit.  It also gets
brighter when the emergency brake is depressed and the BRAKE light comes
on.

You know, the more I type here, the more it sounds to me like a short
somewhere.  One of those pesky electrical gremlins!  I hate electrical
problems!

- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 15:23:00 -0400
Subject: [none]

All,
With all the talk of top speed, here is a theoretical formula for the
top speed of a car:

RPM x Tire diam (inches)
 -----------------------------------------
Gear Ratio (e.g. 3.42) x (336.13524)

Thus, for a car with a 6000 rpm redline, 3.42 gears, and a (typical)
25.5 " diam. tire, the theoerical top speed is 133.09 mph.  Actual top
speed will NEVER exceed the theoretical amount, unless you change one
or more of the equation parameters.  The actual top speed may be less
than theoretical if drag/resistance exceeds the power output of the
engine e.g. a car with a 150 hp engine may not be able to reach the
theoretical top speed, but the identical car with a 400 hp engine may,
even if all of the equation parameters are identical.  The resistance
forces will overpower the acceleration forces, and a steady state (i.e.
"that's all there is and there ain't no more") will exist.  I got this
formula from a web site (www.classicar.com), and for my car (6000 rpm,
3.23 gears, assumed 25.5" diam. tire (245/60 VR 15 Gatorbacks)), the
computed 140.9 mph top speed is close to what my car has experienced.
Like the previous posting, I too used a chase(ing) car with a 120+
speedo as a rolling speedometer when my speedo ran out of numbers.
Make sure your tires are rated for the speeds you'll be doing.  If they
aren't, confine your top speed to your imagination.

 This formula is really handy to defeat the inflated claims of road
warriors, since it ignores variables like horsepower and car weight.
Since the engine redline, tire diameter and rear end gears are all
linked together in an unchanging relationship, the formula doesn't
lie!!  If you have an overdrive trans, adjust your rear gear ratio by
multiplying it with the final drive in your trans.  I can hear all
those calculators clicking away out there..........

Scott Mullen
'70 442

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From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:32:34 -0400
Subject: Idiot Light Leaks

Guys,
This talk about Gen lights coming on when tank is full and brakes are on
may well just be light physically leaking between different parts of the
guage cluster. On my '66 the guage cluster had foam in part of it
cushioning the bulbs from shock when the foam wears out, the light leaks
over into the next light area. Hence it looks like the light is screwed
up, but it maybe isn't. To remedy, remove the guage cluster and shine a
flashlight down into where each bulb would ordinarily go. If light shows
in the *other* idiot lights, you've found part of your problem.

Hope this helps
cf

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 18:42:02 -0400
Subject: More Auto Acronyms

My wood working miracle worker came by early this afternood to look over
my 1931 Oldsmobile Patrician Sedan.  It had a strange but serious
accident on the way home on a trailer.  A cigarette was blown into the
car and caught the upholstey on fire, apparently starting in the drivers
seat.  It burned well into the drivers seat cushion, caught the boarded
upholstery on the drivers door, which nearly burned away.  To repair it,
it is going to require a lot of wood in the door, and the front door
hinge pillar is also going to need replacement as it nearly burned thru
just above the sill.

Anyway, and I guess because the object of his immediate attention he
gave me this one.

Ashes to ashes,
dust to dust,
if it wasn't for O........e my tools would rust.

And for those who's senseabilities have just been stepped on, read that:
"if it wasn't for Chevrolet my tools would rust."

Also G ot a M echanic C oming

and yet again another for F..D

F..king O ld R ambler D iscard

Someone should start a book.

Cliff Feiler

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 20:54:30 -0400
Subject: Speedometer

Hey, I've got some indication that a non-PRNDSL speedo is, uh, rare (for
lack of a better term...).  I got one today out of that '68 convertible.
It was my last trip there before it gets crushed tomorrow...  :-(
Anyway, is the speedo rare?  I plan on keeping it, 'cause I want to put
buckets/console in mine (get rid of bench/column shift), and want to
replace the PRNDSL speedo when I do. - -- Dave Paulison
1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Melbourne, Florida             1993
Mitsubishi Eclipse GS dpauliso@gate.net

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 1996 21:04:11 -0400
Subject: hard starting

Hi all.

I'm some trouble with my wagon.  Its been hard starting it lately due to
the cold weather.  When I start it, I set the choke by pressing the
accelarator and turn in over.  It sounds like it going to start and
then doesn't.  I do this a couple more timres and finally without
pressing on the gas, it will start and run for a few seconds.  After
this it runs fine.  Is the choke set to lean or the engine being
flooded?

I've also noticed the oil light doesn't come back on after each attempt.
Is this something to worry about?

Roger Borlase
'72 Cutlass Cruiser
http://www.cs.gordonc.edu/~borlase

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 03:06:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Another Jerk

>
> Yup,  I know him. (ducking rotten vegetables) there's a story (and a
> p*i--ing contest) behind all this.
>
> He's a friend of my roomate and he has been the victim of a practical
joke. >  He is actually a nice, easygoing guy, but as you have seen he
can > get pretty nasty when he is p*--ed off. > > So that's why Will is
leaving us dirty messages and generally making an ass > of himself.
Basically my roomate just hates to be outdone and ocasionally > does
stupid stuff because of it. > > Thanks, > Greg Pruett >
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Greg,

You are very nice to defend your room mate.  I want to apologize about
the shooting.  It looks like both he & I should look a little before we
leap.

 He did enjoy the chatting & Olds information, didn't he?  Not even a
little bit?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Chuck Rowe <badgeman@tcac.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Nov 1996 00:05:52 -0400
Subject: AutoCAD

Good evening.

Is there a source of CAD drawings along with specs of Olds engines?
Where? Are they available on the Net? For free? Thx

chuck rowe

'81 Delta 88
'72 Ninety-eight
'68 Ninety-eight
'68 Delmont 88

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