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oldsmobile-digest        Wednesday, 2 October 1996     Volume 01 : Number 318


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From: tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:18:20 -0300
Subject: Re: FRP digest for Lisa

> Anybody has a digest (of the FRP discussion) to send Lisa?  

I've got the "full" digests saved back for several weeks.
Most of the FRP stuff happend in the last 2 digests.  I'll
be happy to forward them off to Lisa or whoever else wants
them.  Talk nice to me and I might even edit out the non
FRP stuff :)  

Just give me the email address(es) and let me know what you
want (FRP only or "all")
 
- - Travis and the 69 olds 98 convertible aka "Tiny"
- --
Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 14:46:36 -0300
Subject: Re: FRP -Reply -Reply 

>Ohh!  Excellent point! (surely not accidental this time <g>)  Who gives a
>turd if they don't like it.  If they come up with some lame excuse why you
>can't, it's prolly cuz they got something to hide.  You have every right to
>see what you're paying all those big $'s for.

Well, yes, but at some point you've got to trust them. I mean, you
check them out beforehand, and when you're satisfied, let them work
on your car, but at that point you should be confident enough to stay
out the way.

Remember the old joke sign? "Our Rates: $50/Hour. If You Want To Watch:
$75/Hour. If You Tried To Fix It Yourself Before You Came Here: $100/Hour."

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: a210518@texas.dseg.ti.com (john berenyi 956-6310)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:28:48 -0300
Subject: Valve  Covers Wanted

I have a 66 330cu in motor.  Need covers to modify for
adjusting the preload while engine is running.


John (berenyi@texas.dseg.ti.com)

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 19:33:42 -0300
Subject: TEST: chebucto.ns.ca

Checking oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 15:27:48 -0300
Subject: RE: Rear Chrome Bumpers (86 Cutlass Supreme) 

>Anything I should do to the backs like wire brushing and sealing 
>IF I CAN GET ALL THE RUST OUT? Big if. I have all winter.... and 
>a lot of elbow grease.

Absotively. Even without getting all the rust out, those rust conversion
paints (or whatever they're officially called) may help. I've used them
on various things with good results. The backsides of these bumpers need
a lot more protection than the factory gave them, plus I suspect a lot of
water gets trapped back there. Improving drainage somehow could help.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Dave Isho <davei-2@mail.idt.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:57:18 -0300
Subject: Re: Valve  Covers Wanted 

At 04:28 PM 10/1/96 -0300, you wrote:
>
>I have a 66 330cu in motor.  Need covers to modify for
>adjusting the preload while engine is running.
>
>
>John (berenyi@texas.dseg.ti.com)
>
John I have a set, Where are you located?

 >Dave Isho --- davei-2@mail.idt.net
     >67 Cutlass CS Convertible...up on jackstands again!!
     

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From: tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 17:10:55 -0300
Subject: how much HP out of what size engine

Isn't there some computer software out there that will tell you how 
much power you can expect from an engine given various pieces of
info?  I remember someone (not on the Olds list) telling me about
this program as he was "running the numbers" to try and get more
HP out of his setup.  Anybody know what I'm talking about here or
am I just way out in left field?  Or <ack!> does this kind of thing
only work for a few selected (non-Olds) engines?


- - Travis and the 69 olds 98 convertible aka "Tiny"
- --
Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

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From: Darren Shroeger <redhead@mailmasher.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 17:11:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Valve  Covers Wanted 

> >I have a 66 330cu in motor.  Need covers to modify for
> >adjusting the preload while engine is running.
> >
> >
> >John (berenyi@texas.dseg.ti.com)

Hey, that reminds me: I'm looking for a lh notched rockerarm cover.

The left hand is the one with the smaller notch- 2" or so at the rear
to clear the power steering booster.

Anybody got one for me?

Thanks,

- -Darren Shroeger 
 '68 442 / 4-speed
 '80 GP Partsrunner / 350 Oldspowered!
 <redhead@mailmasher.com> *new email address*

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From: tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 17:10:17 -0300
Subject: Esko's ignition switch

> This list has proven my suspects about there being many nice people
> around the globe to be true.

That's one of the nicest things you could say.  Thank you.


> Travis has sent the ignition switch today (within 24 hours).
Heh "today" is such a relative term when you're talking to
people across the ocean.  For clarification it left my hands
Monday (30 Sept) around lunctime (12:00pm Central time).  They
said it would take about 4 days to get there, so hopefully it
should be in Esko's hands this weekend (by his local time).
Let us know when it really does get there.


> We are preparing a surprise for him here in finland with my wife 
> Anneli.  And it is not a bomb :).

tick, tick, tick, tick...  :)


- - Travis and the 69 olds 98 convertible aka "Tiny"
- --
Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 16:23:12 -0300
Subject: Re: Esko's ignition switch 

>> Travis has sent the ignition switch today (within 24 hours).
[...]
>> We are preparing a surprise for him here in Finland with my wife 
>> Anneli.  And it is not a bomb :).

You mean now you want us to ship _Travis_ over there? Well, OK, but
his shipping weight is going to be a problem, plus if you break him,
we're going to have a major problem getting parts for him.

Hey, maybe we could send you Mike Frederick instead? I understand
he is slightly cheaper to insure.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 17:25:47 -0300
Subject: Re: FRP - clarification

Blaine -
> FRP is far superior to bondo, but much harder to work with.
> ...it's hard as a rock.  I mean, you have to use a grinder...

Mike -
> I've never used anything other than a regular old sander or a 
> sanding disk on a Black & Decker. You shouldn't have much 
> difficulty getting FRP very close to the finished shape.  

Blaine -
> Oops.  My comments were based upon experience with a 'glass 
> reinforced filler known as Dura-glass.  It's used the same as 
> bondo (thick paste with creme hardener), instead of soaking 
> fiberglass sheets in hardener.  


> I had the impression that Dura-glass (or something similar)
> was what the original poster was referring to.  My bad.  

Well, I'm the "original poster" and I don't know what the heck
I was referring to (Dura-glass or other).  That's why I asked :)
So from the discussion above, I take it that there are two 
different types of FRP available.  One type (found mostly 
with boats) uses fiberglass tape with some kind of resin
in between.  The other type is some kind of chemical putty
similar to bondo that you just slop in place without any 
glass tape.  Is that it?  Are there other types out there?


- - Travis and the 69 olds 98 convertible aka "Tiny"
- --
Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 17:44:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Valve  Covers Wanted 

At 03:28 PM 10/1/96 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I have a 66 330cu in motor.  Need covers to modify for
>adjusting the preload while engine is running.

Do you have adjustable rockers installed? If you have the factory bridges,
loosening those bolts to "adjust" the rockers will simply modify how quickly
you trash your valvetrain.

You measure preload on an Olds with the engine off, then tighten everything
down before starting it up.

If you have installed an aftermarket adjustable valvetrain, disregard this
message; if you have #1 heads with shaft-mounted rockers, I don't know what
I'm talking about there either.

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 17:44:43 -0300
Subject: Re: What is the potential of the 307?  And how much $$$ ??? 

At 02:14 AM 10/1/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>At 02:23 PM 9/30/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>>Anybody know how much HP and torque you can get out of a 307?
[snip]
>     OK, now for the fun part.  Take an extra $200, and punch through the
>same dollar figures for a 403, and what kind of HP will we get?  :)
>    
>      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"

Since you asked (and I'm avoiding work at the moment...)...
(this is all assuming a fresh engine with minimal wear; for a complete
rebuild on either the 307 or 403, add approximately $1000-$2000, depending
on how bad off you were)
(ok, also assuming the H/O's 307 vs. the avg. 403)
                307     403
Stock HP        180hp   185hp   (yes, yes, torque is another matter 
entirely...)
$500            200hp   210hp   (exhaust, air cleaner...)
$1000           225hp   260hp   (+ cam, valvesprings, Performer intake...)
$1500           250hp   310hp   (+ bigger cam, rejet carb, install bigger 
                                valves, better lifters and springs...)
$2500           300hp   400hp   (+ port heads, balance, modify ECM, bigger
exhaust...)
$4000           350hp   425hp   (+ bigger-ported heads, single-plane intake, 
                                forged high-compression pistons, steel crank, 
                                forget the ECM...)
$5000           400hp   550hp   (+ lightened rods, radically-ported heads, 
                                ultra-light pistons, roller-cam, custom
valvetrain...)
$10,000         500hp     0hp   (+ turbo@15lbs boost, custom EFI intake, 
                                block-girdle, alum rods)**

** Note: putting 15lbs of boost through a 403, even heavily modified, would
give new meaning to the term "windowed block". This is assuming that no
solid-main blocks are to be had. If you could find one, then that 403 could
potentially put out 700hp, but you'd still have to fill the block with
hardener and O-ring the block and heads.

In the theoretical realm, any solid-main block, but especially a
diesel-block, 350 could out-perform a 403 at the ragged-edge. For the
street, however (sub-5000rpm), a 403 will always have the advantage given
similar mods.

BTW, the 403 should be no more expensive to build than the 307; both are odd
enough that the pieces would cost more than a 350. In fact, I think that
I've seen most 307-specific parts priced at *more* than the equivalent 403
pieces (I'm thinking pistons here).

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From: "ROB MALLAND" <storm442@hotmail.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:16:50 -0300 
Subject: '73-442 for Sale in S.C.

Hey gang, I ran across a 1973-442 for sale in [WWW.traderonline.com]
Swivel Buckets, all orig. White with Black interior,350c.i.TH350, $3500.00
___area code(803)Summerville, S.C.


Saw some other cars you guys might be interested in there-take a peek!

See Ya,
Rob Malland-'73-442
Tacoma,Wa  -'95-Cutlass Supreme SL









. 


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Get Your *Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:42:15 -0300
Subject: Re: Valve  Covers Wanted 

>At 03:28 PM 10/1/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>I have a 66 330cu in motor.  Need covers to modify for
>>adjusting the preload while engine is running.

          Naw, just wear safety goggles!  :) 
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 18:42:01 -0300
Subject: Re: Member contact list? 

>> But now how do I access that list to contact others in my area?
>
>Try: http://www.student.toplinks.com/hp/rovernut/list/main.html

          <sniff><sniff>  I'm not there! :(  <sniff><sniff>
     Did some of the info get lost along the line, or does some take a while
to make it to that page?  I guess the question is should I ReEnter all of my
stuff, etc in the form?  The form has changed once or twice since I
"registerred" so I don't know if that represents a problem...

     Okay, one more thought, how 'bout a link to each owner's homepage, or
something like that so we can see their cars, too?  Maybe, maybe not?

     Just a thought...
    
      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 21:36:45 -0300
Subject: Re: FRP - clarification

tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com wrote:

> So from the discussion above, I take it that there are two
> different types of FRP available.

Nope.  FRP is Fiberglass Reinforced Plastic.  No fiberglass -- no FRP.

> One type (found mostly with boats) uses fiberglass tape with some kind 
> of resin in between.

Sort of.  Usually a fiberglass cloth or mat that is soaked through with 
resin.  That is, it's not a sandwich.

> The other type is some kind of chemical putty similar to bondo that you 
> just slop in place without any glass tape.

Pretty much.  Bondo (and similar products) are resins mixed with some 
type of filler material, usually a powder.  But no fiberglass cloth.

Mud?

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 21:47:57 -0300
Subject: Re: how much HP out of what size engine

tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com wrote:
> 
> Isn't there some computer software out there that will tell you how
> much power you can expect from an engine...
> Anybody know what I'm talking about here...

Haven't any idea but if I did I'd tell you to try:
http://devserve.cebaf.gov/%7Ebowling/auto.html   ;)

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 21:54:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Esko's ignition switch

Andrew C. Green wrote:
> 
> Hey, maybe we could send you Mike Frederick instead? I understand
> he is slightly cheaper to insure.

True.  But my bar tab will ruin them.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: ImaLsrBaby@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 20:02:09 -0300
Subject: Re: how much HP out of what size engine 

Its called Desk Top Dyno II and It is available through Powerhouse Inc.  
Telephone # 1800-872-7223.

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From: Spud <spud@kudonet.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 22:23:18 -0300
Subject: Member contact list 

Just a note to the maintainer, the links back to the main contact list page
from the individuals' information have errors.  There is inadvertently a
mailto: tag instead of a link back to the main page.  I checked out one of
the document's HTML and found a missing quotation mark after the mailto:
tag's e-mail address variable.

Party on, Garth.


Spud     "Fart proudly."
'86 FXST   --Benjamin Franklin
'73 Delta 88
'79 LeBaron

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From: "Robert K. Whitaker" <whitaker.rob@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 01:10:44 -0300
Subject: Re: how much HP out of what size engine

tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com wrote:
> 
> Isn't there some computer software out there that will tell you how
> much power you can expect from an engine given various pieces of
> info?

I found some interesting web based performance software & number crunching at:

devserve.cebaf.gov/~bowling/auto.html

Robert Whitaker
69 H/O 455

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 22:33:17 -0300
Subject: RE: Member contact list 

To the maintainer(s) of the contact list,

My back link seems to want to be a mailto:borlase@gordonc.edu or something.  
Take a gander and you'll see what I mean.

Have a good one.

Roger Borlase
'72 Cutlass Cruiser
http://www.cs.gordonc.edu/~borlase

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From: Anthony Del Balso <anthony@robots.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 21:31:59 -0300
Subject: Re: how much HP out of what size engine

I just ran across some computer software today on the web made for this 
purpose, go to www.summitracing.com and into their products, computer 
enhancement page (or something like that).  They sell it for 39.95$.

I think Hot Rod evaluated it w/in the last 2 years or so.  Maybe it was Car
Craft, but if I recall, the program (if it was the same one) produced very
accurate results, but of course, only as good as the input (accuracy of CR,etc)

anthony

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From: Willie Fruean <aceface@ohana.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Oct 1996 23:40:50 -0300
Subject: Re: Tri-Power

I can get a fully rebuilt siw pack for a J-2 for $350. I could care less
if it has the origional air cleaner! If it is not even rebuilt I would
offer about $100 for it, maybe. Unles it's in better condition. The
linkage must be there or it's pretty worthless. I am interested
though.If it's all there and needs to be rebuilt it can be very costly
and time consuming to rebuild three carbs. Please tell me more about it
if you can. Thanks.

Willie.

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 03:48:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Tri-Power

Willie,

Not much to tell, it's not me that has it.  I'm trying to determine if 
it's the early one or the later one.  Only clues I've gotten so far is:

Intake manifold has the casting number: 571145
Setup has mechanical linkage (but could be aftermarket)
Is in good shape and apparently complete
(but doesn't have the air-cleaners so no clue here)   :(

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 01:26:09 -0300
Subject: 307 Performance Potential - Update 

          A late model G-body Cutlass took L/Stock Automatic at the
          NHRA U.S. Nationals at Indianapolis Raceway Park over Labor
          Day weekend.  Powered by a 307, the car turned 12.42 at
          108.82 mph.  Yes, this was in the quarter mile.

          NHRA stock classes are quite restrictive, especially with
          reguards to engine mods.  The car can run open exhaust,
          headers, any rear end ration, and slicks.  Cylinder head
          nods are not permitted and I think the engine can only be
          bored 0.030 over (or is it 0.060) for wall cleanup.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 01:48:36 -0300
Subject: 455 Headers

Does anyone know of a company that makes headers for a '70 455 Olds 
442?
Has anyone successfully installed these on an Olds 442?
I have all the accessories to avoid (ie PS, PB, AT, smog pump, etc.) and 
I want to know if it is possible to do such a thing.
I will probably be running 3" exhaust w/ Flomasters weather or not I get 
headers.
Thanks
Brad

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 08:16:00 -0300
Subject: RE: 455 Headers

Brad Bowles wrote:
>Has anyone successfully installed these (headers) on an Olds 442?

Brad,
I'm not sure if a 3" exhaust is worth the $$$  IF you're not running 
headers.  3" systems cost/weigh alot, and the clearance problems must be 
nasty in a full length system.  As I recall the factory dual exh. manis are 
2.5" outlet, so putting a 3" system behind that might be cost ineffective. 
 For the same price, you could buy a NOS cheater plate and stomp the 
competition.  Not that 455 big ones aren't enough, but the world is a cruel 
place, and nitrous oxide is the assault rifle of the automotive world (i.e. 
irrationally  feared & maligned, but really nice to have in certain 
situations, e.g. when that snot nosed kid in the 5.0 'stang with the Paxton 
attempts to overtake your chariot.....).

I had headers on my '70 442 when I bought it.  Gave them away and got myself 
the W/Z dual exh. manis and couldn't be happier.  They last forever, are 
quiet, and I no longer need to drive a screwdriver through the oil filter to 
remove it  when I change the oil.  With my dual plane intake and 3.23 gears, 
I didn't notice any performance loss.  I keep the routine redline at 5200 
(6000 in a pinch), so high reving, free breathing headers are not worth the 
installation/maintenenance nightmares.  I can pass the traps @ 104 mph, so 
I'm making the ponies.  (I have a 2.5" pipes and 2.25" tail pipes with stock 
trumpets and Sonic Turbo (ugh) mufflers.  A set of 15" Flowmasters are on 
the way, and so are 2.5" tailpipes.  I'll have to have my trumpets remade to 
take the bigger tailpipes, but it'll be worth it.)

Yes, I've also installed /used headers in my younger days on my '69 350 
Cutlass, so I know what I'm talking about.  It was a nasty job to install 
them.  You better put in a new starter AND HEAT SHIELD while you're at it , 
since changing it later requires removing the header, clutch linkage if you 
have MT, etc..  Order a few extra dipstick tubes, too  Since I was switching 
from single exhaust manis and was very new to Oldsmobiles, headers seemed 
the way to go.  So much for getting advice from my Chevy-owning friends. 
 This story does not have a happy ending.  I got the '69 airborne while 
street racing on  a "less than ideal" road surface, and re-entry crushed the 
headers flat, broke the floorpan support, and broke the frame by the gas 
tank.  Lots of noise, lots of sparks.........  Well, I was winning when I 
hit that series of dips in the road, but the original Ghetto Cruiser never 
was quite right after that evening........  But I digress.

Remember, the factory did not install headers because they are a real hassle 
on a car that is primarily a street driven cruiser and not a serious racer. 
 Your car should be a balanced package, and headers are one component of the 
package, along with aggressive gears, single plane intake, head porting, 
oversize exhaust valves, 3" exhaust, high stall converter, etc.  If you 
can't commit to the total package, then a 2.5" system with port matched W/Z 
manis might be the way to go.

(Yes, port matched exhaust manifolds!  One of my factory dual exhaust manis 
had a core shift during production, and the two center ports were about 
1/16" lower than the two end ones.  It took 8 years and three teardowns 
before I noticed that one.  Bad juju for exhaust flow, so out came the die 
grinder.  Now it is perfecto.  Every little bit counts!!)

Scott Mullen
'70 442 (header/headache free)
 ----------

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 09:45:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicago Olds list 

Sent the following yesterday moments before another system barf, and
did not see it, or any followups to it, appear later, so here I go
again. More notes after the repost below...

>>> >(And _do_ bring kids so that my two-year-old will have some company.
>>> 
>>> Will do, and then to keep things appropriate, I'll bring a box full of 
>>> my 3 year old's toy cars, maybe that will keep them busy while we try 
>>> to talk (and eat and watch etc).

Absolutely. Junior _loves_ cars to play with. I'll have to make sure
he doesn't try to adopt any of yours...

>>And bring a video camera -- this could be priceless.   ;)
>
>I'll bring a 35mm of some sort. I've recently discovered a flatbed
>scanner in the office hooked up to a PC in an abandoned cubicle.
>If I can get the thing up and running, I may not have to keep sending
>stuff to Bryce for scanning.  :-)
>
>And while we're on this subject: Let's get this thing confirmed,
>because I haven't seen a message declaring this as final in any
>way (no offense, David, if that's not the case; I've been a little
>inundated recently), so here goes:
>
>DATE: SUNDAY, OCTOBER 6th
>
>TIME: NOON
>
>PLACE: FUDDRUCKER'S, West Golf Road in Schaumburg, IL, west of Rt. 53.
>       More detailed directions are very welcome.
>
>ACTIVITIES: Well, the Bears game will be on. I tentatively plan to show
>up with Junior and the spouse, we'll have burgers, Junior will have some
>sort of Junior-type menu item, of which he will eat only the fries and
>the rest goes into a doggie bag for which, if we don't forget to take it
>home with us, he will not eat later on, and after lunch and chatting we
>will examine cars in the parking lot. Perhaps I can _borrow_ someone's
>Olds to bring with! If someone out there has a Schaumburg phone book, we
>might even want to call Fuddruckers...? Make sure there's no violent
>objection to a small group of nice cars in their parking lot...?

Okay, I am now starting to get grumbling from the management since the
Bears did well last week and we may want to watch the game a little
closer than first thought. Can anyone who's actually _been_ to that
Fuddruckers tell us whether they're likely to have the game on? And
any views about meeting at noon versus meeting later... say, 3:00?
Weather prediction as of this morning is for mostly sun, high of 72.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:12:57 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: how much HP out of what size engine 

I think everyone is talking about Desktop Dyno.

David Brown          OCA #27978         (312) 702-9157
    Check out: www.442.com      www.oldsmobile.com
               FAQ version 2.0 due soon!

- --------------
I just ran across some computer software today on the web made for this 
purpose, go to www.summitracing.com and into their products, computer 
enhancement page (or something like that).  They sell it for 39.95$.

I think Hot Rod evaluated it w/in the last 2 years or so.  Maybe it was Car
Craft, but if I recall, the program (if it was the same one) produced very
accurate results, but of course, only as good as the input (accuracy of CR,etc)

anthony

------------------------------

From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:17:41 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Tri-Power 

I think it would be the '57 manifold, or another variation of the '66 
manifold (doubt it).  Nice find though.

    Casting
ID  Number  Year(s)  Application/Notes
- --  ------  -------  -----------------
F   393238  '66      400 Tri-carb.  Easy to spot by the 3 carb holes.

David Brown          OCA #27978         (312) 702-9157
    Check out: www.442.com      www.oldsmobile.com
               FAQ version 2.0 due soon!

- -----------
Willie,

Not much to tell, it's not me that has it.  I'm trying to determine if 
it's the early one or the later one.  Only clues I've gotten so far is:

Intake manifold has the casting number: 571145
<snip>
The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:27:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Tri-Power

David Brown wrote:
> 
> I think it would be the '57 manifold, or another variation of the '66
> manifold (doubt it).  Nice find though.

Yeah, but which one?  The early one fits the 371 (etc), the later one 
fits the BB.

>     Casting
> ID  Number  Year(s)  Application/Notes
> --  ------  -------  -----------------
> F   393238  '66      400 Tri-carb.  Easy to spot by the 3 carb holes.

                                   They both do ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Does anybody know for sure if this "571145" casting number is the early 
one?

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: hitson@leadbelt.com (Roger Hitson)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:47:54 -0300
Subject: Re: how much HP out of what size engine

>Isn't there some computer software out there that will tell you how 
>much power you can expect from an engine given various pieces of
>info? 
>
>
>- Travis and the 69 olds 98 convertible aka "Tiny"
>--
>Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
>tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation
>
>
>
>
Summit sells "engine analyzer" software which purports to do that. (Price 
about $100)

Roger Hitson

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:11:00 -0300
Subject: FW: smtp mail warning

Glenn,
Apparently I'm having trouble reaching your server, so I am going to post 
this on the list.  I sent this Monday.

smtp can't connect: tcp_connect (buffnet.net): name server timeout, try 
again later
Received: from stlouis by cpmail.cp.lucent.com; Mon, 30 Sep 1996 11:12 EDT
 ---------- unsent mail ----------



Glenn,

I don't think it was you that was sending the garbled messages, because
everything that you have sent to me or the list has come through fine.  I
spent some time this weekend looking for pictures of 4-4-2 engine
compartments, and needless to say, have come up empty handed.  The Muscle
Car cards I was referring to had only the '68 4-4-2, the '69 Cutlass W31,
the '70 Rally 350, '72 Indy 500 pace car, and a 1964 4-4-2.  I thought I had 

a '69 4-4-2 in there, but must have been thinking of the W31.  I also have a 

book on Oldsmobiles from 1964-1972 that has (of course) a picture of a '68
engine compartment, and a '69 W31, even a '69 H/O, but no 4-4-2.  I will
continue looking.  Do you have the Service Manual?  I have one, and have not 

yet checked it.  I will check that tonight.
Sorry, I really thought I had one.

Jeff
 ----------

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:17:10 -0300
Subject: Tri-Power: Update

Joe Padavano wrote:

>           1)  A pair of roughly square covers, one on either side of
>           the center carb, bolted to the top of the exhaust crossover
>           passageway.  

>           2)  As I recall, the early Olds V-8s used a "raised" intake
>           manifold design with a separate valley cover.  The later V-8
>           intake seals directly to the block.

Just talked to this guy Scott.  He says he can't see any covers next to 
the center carb and that the manifold looks like it used a separate 
valley cover.  So it appears to be the 57-78 variety.

He was asking $250 for it BUT given the fact that he doesn't seem to even 
know what it is, I suspect the price was pretty much a guess on his part. 
I told him the early manifold is not rare and that he's not going to get 
a fortune for it.

Anybody wants to follow up on it call Scott at 813-831-2404 between 9 and 
5 Eastern.

Over and out,

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: brett@actel.com
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:28:54 -0300
Subject: Chicago Area Sunday Meeting

     
        First, I am not convinced that they will have the football game on 
     at Fuddrukkers.  I am not sure that they even have any TV's that are 
     functional.  There are some mounted on the walls that they used to use 
     for indicating the numbers of the orders that were ready.
     
     I like the option of delaying the meet until 3 on Sunday as Andy 
     suggested.  This eliminates the need to worry about missing the game, 
     and will let us enjoy our meeting.  
     
     
        If we don't delay the meet, it may be difficult to find a location 
     that has TVs and will readily accommodate a group of kids.  An 
     alternative may be Russell's Barbecue on Algonquin Rd in Rolling 
     Meadows.  It is in the vicinity of Fudds.  They have a big screen TV, 
     but we may need to stake out some territory near the TV before noon.  
     The TV region goes quickly.  They have barbecue beef and pork 
     sandwiches, great ribs, chicken dinners, etc.  They are very good.  I 
     assume that everybody knows about Fudds.
     
     
        Comments???   Alternatives???  I will list directions to both 
     locations below for reference.    
     
     ------------------Directions to Restaurant options------------
     
     Fuddrukkers - Schaumburg
     ------------------------
     
     From the South:
        Take I-355 North until it merges with I-290 West.  This will then 
     become Illinois 53.  Take this until you get to Golf Road (Rte 58). Go 
     West on Golf Rd (left).  (jump to "From Golf Rd.:") 
     
     From the city:
        Take the Kennedy (I-90) to Illinois 53 South.  Very quickly you 
     will exit at the Golf Road (Rte 58) exit.  It is also Woodfield Rd.  
     You will need to loop back to Golf by following the signs.  When you 
     get to Golf Rd, make a Left (West). 
       (jump to "From Golf Rd.:")
     
     From Golf Rd.:
        Continue for about a mile past Rte 53.  Turn right at the first 
     light past Plum Grove Rd.  There is a Barnes and Noble bookstore at 
     the intersection.  Then turn left just past the Barnes and Noble.  
     Fudds is on your left.
     
     
     Russell's Barbecue - Rolling Meadows
     ------------------------------------
     
     From the South:
        Take I-355 North until it merges with I-290 West.  This will then 
     become Illinois 53.  Take this until you get to Algonquin Road (Rte 
     62). Make a Left at the end of the ramp (East).  (jump to "From 
     Algonquin Rd.:") 
     
     From the city:
        Take the Kennedy (I-90) to Illinois 53 North.  Very quickly you 
     will exit at the Algonquin Road (Rte 62) exit.   Make a Left at the 
     end of the ramp (East). 
       (jump to "From Algonquin Rd.:")
     
     From Algonquin Rd.:
        Take Algonquin Rd. East for about a mile or 2.  It is on the right, 
     in the midst of other restaurants, banks, and such.  If you hit New 
     Wilke, you went about 1/2 mile too far.

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 05:20:53 -0300
Subject: Re: 307 Performance Potential - Update 

     Excuse me for a moment while I wipe the drool off my keyboard. . .
     
     Do you know where I could find any other info out about this car?  I'm 
     curious as to whether it's a tube-frame and plastic/fiberglass or a 
     full steel car.  I wonder if he'll be at the NHRA nationals when they 
     come to Spokane this year?  I'm sure the cam and such on this car is 
     *not* streetable, but It'd be interesting to find out just how far 
     they go for this power and how many tricks of theirs we could use on 
     the street (as if they'd tell me).
     
     Engine bored 0.030 for "wall cleanup" huh?  So if their cylinder walls 
     were clean I'm sure they wouldn't bother to bore it out any at all :-)
     
     Thanks for the info!
     Tom L.

______________________________ Reply Separator 
_________________________________
Subject: 307 Performance Potential - Update
Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET
Date:    10/1/96 9:50 PM


          A late model G-body Cutlass took L/Stock Automatic at the 
          NHRA U.S. Nationals at Indianapolis Raceway Park over Labor 
          Day weekend.  Powered by a 307, the car turned 12.42 at 
          108.82 mph.  Yes, this was in the quarter mile.
     
          The car can run open exhaust, headers, any rear end 
          ration, and slicks.  Cylinder head nods are not permitted 
          and I think the engine can only be bored 0.030 over (or is 
          it 0.060) for wall cleanup.

------------------------------

From: Rick Kromeich <rickk@ecg.csg.mot.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 12:45:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicago Area Sunday Meeting

I just called Fuddrucker's (847) 519-9390, and was told they have no TV's.
My suggestion would be Hooter's in Schaumburg. They have a large parking lot,
TV's, good food, and, well, ahh,.... a nice atmosphere. I can't be there until
1 or 1:30p.m., and it would be nice to see the game if possible.  I haven't
been to that Russell's but that may work also. Let's nail this thing down!

- -Rick

 

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 11:36:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicago Area Sunday Meeting 

>     I like the option of delaying the meet until 3 on Sunday as Andy 
>     suggested.  This eliminates the need to worry about missing the game, 
>     and will let us enjoy our meeting.

Shall we say 3:00 p.m., then? This also makes later morning church services
do-able, instead of mad dashes to the earlier services in order to make a
noon appearance in Schaumburg.

And I like the Russell's Barbecue idea (heck, I could almost _walk_ to
that one :-) but the place is a completely unknown quantity for me. I'll
try to scout it out this evening or as soon as I can, plus the Schaumburg
Fuddruckers, and post anything relevant about either afterwards.

>        If we don't delay the meet, it may be difficult to find a location 
>     that has TVs and will readily accommodate a group of kids.

Right, I think it will be easier on all if the lunch crowd has subsided.
We're there to meet each other, not run around trying to preserve our cars
from a parking lot full of door-dingers.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 05:36:08 -0300
Subject: Olds Graveyard in Spokane? 

     While out on my lunch hour yesterday I stumbled across a yard full of 
     old Old's and many other cars.  Maybe 40-50 cars in total, most looked 
     complete and not totaled and not rusted out, but not in running 
     condition.  Maybe 1/3 to 1/2 were Oldsmobiles!  Through the fence I 
     saw a few 50's Olds, 2 Vista Cruisers, an 88, a 98 and several 
     Cutlass's, nothing newer than about '72, plus lots of other cars I 
     couldn't see.  I'm not an authority on those older cars, so I can't 
     tell the years by looking at them from 200 feet away.
     
     There was a small service center there that had their own yard with 
     about 15 cars in it (nothing interesting) and they let me look around. 
      The other lot (mentioned above) borders their property but to my 
     dismay does not belong to them.  I was in a hurry to get lunch and get 
     back to work so I didn't ask any more questions.  There is a small 
     fencing company building which seems to border this graveyard, but 
     nobody was home.  If anyone else is in the Spokane area and wants to 
     inquire further, it's around the N. 7000 Block of Freya, just North of 
     the railroad tracks.
     
     Tom L.
     

------------------------------

From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:00:53 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: 307 Performance Potential - Update 

     Excuse me for a moment while I wipe the drool off my keyboard. . .
     
     Do you know where I could find any other info out about this car?  I'm 
     curious as to whether it's a tube-frame and plastic/fiberglass or a 
     full steel car.

          The car is full steel, with a full interior (this is stock
          eliminator).

            I wonder if he'll be at the NHRA nationals when they
     come to Spokane this year?  I'm sure the cam and such on this car is 
     *not* streetable,

          Actually, while I don't have my NHRA rulebook in front of me
          (I'm typing this between flights at SFO), I seem to recall
          that NHRA Stock requires a "stock" cam profile.  Typically
          these cams must meet factory specs for lift, duration, etc.
          but can have much more agressive ramp profiles for greater
          total curtain area.  I would suspect that while you _could_
          drive this cam on the street, without the restrictions of
          the rules there would be better choices for the
          performance/driveability compromise.

           but It'd be interesting to find out just how far 
     they go for this power and how many tricks of theirs we could use on 
     the street (as if they'd tell me).

          A lot of this is just attention to detail. Engines are
          blueprinted to within an inch of their lives (actually, much
          closer than that).  The 0.030 "cleanup" bore ekes out an
          additonal couple of cubic inches.  Suspensions get air bags,
          drag shocks, etc.  Bob Handren could probably add to this
          discussion.
     
     Engine bored 0.030 for "wall cleanup" huh?  So if their cylinder walls 
     were clean I'm sure they wouldn't bother to bore it out any at all :-)
     
     Thanks for the info!
     Tom L.

          Glad to help.  I've always been extremely impressed by the
          quarter mile times these Stock Eliminators pull.  E/Stock,
          for example, which is where a 70 W-30 would fall, has cars
          which typically run in the 11s!
          
          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

------------------------------

From: Chris Blumenstein <bluffin@netins.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:08:36 -0300
Subject: ATTENTION

Can anyone help me get a car from Ohio to Iowa?

------------------------------

From: Anthony Del Balso <anthony@robots.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:11:00 -0300
Subject: 350 Headers in 84 Cutlass

Hi,

Quick update, I've been off the list for about 5 months.  I was busy finally 
dropping the 350 into my Cutlass, moving, graduating, going on vacation, and 
finally moving to CA (towed a trailer w/ all my stuff w/ the new engine)!

So I'm in CA, need exhaust, don't want to put money into the car, since I plan
to drive it back home to WI to sell (will never pass emissions here, and you
need a certificate of passage to sell a car here).  But the local cops are 
noticing the car and followed my brother into the driveway when he was driving
it.  

Both exhst manifolds have stripped bolt holes, and one is cracked.  The xhst
pipe is rusted, the cat is gone, and the head pipe is hacked at.  The muffler
is a stocker, 2" in and out, and starting to rust.

My plan:
A: Order Dynomax standard headers, and Dynomax SuperTurbo header flange mount
   mufflers, and 45degree bends, turning the xhst out from under the car just
   behind the doors.  Cost: About 190$

B: Get used manifolds (if I can find, need to invest time here), buy single
   Super Turbo muffler and bolt clamp to existing straight pipe bolted to
   head pipe.  45 degree turn and exit behind passenger door.  Cost: between
   113-173$, depending on which yard I find the manifolds


Questions, Anyone use the headers?  If I bolt the muffler to the header, will 
it hit the crossmember (stock)?  How can I remedy that problem, can I buy a
pipe w/ a bend to clear a cross member (plenty of ground clearance there)?
How many hours to install the headers?
Performance Gains from the dual exhaust?

Quick notes on engine, Modello cam, 16-18 grind.  Roller chain, bored 20 over,
problems apparent w/ leaking rings (caused by carb shop installing accel pump
backwards, and cylinder walls being scorched due to huge quantities of gas),
Increased compression (haven't checked to get figures yet, but can run on
mid-grade gas).

Comments desired, but I am forced to make a quick decision, since I have 
received my single warning.

NOTE:  The emissions question is irrelevant, as long as the exhaust is quiet
enough to drive by cops while cruising w/o attracting attention.

anthony

------------------------------

From: Daniel Houlton <tc75918@hpr169.mdhc.mdc.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:30:03 -0300
Subject: Re: What is the potential of the 307?  And how much $$$ ???

> 
> ** Note: putting 15lbs of boost through a 403, even heavily modified, would
> give new meaning to the term "windowed block". This is assuming that no
> solid-main blocks are to be had. If you could find one, then that 403 could
> potentially put out 700hp, but you'd still have to fill the block with
> hardener and O-ring the block and heads.
> 

Is the 403 the only one that has windowed blocks???  Is the 307 and (non-
diesel) 350 non-windowed???

- --Dan

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 13:57:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicago Area Sunday Meeting 

>I just called Fuddrucker's (847) 519-9390, and was told they have 
>no TV's. My suggestion would be Hooter's in Schaumburg. They have 
>a large parking lot, TV's, good food, and, well, ahh,.... a nice 
>atmosphere.

Much as I like Hooters for, um, business lunches (their downtown
branch is a few blocks from our office), this won't fly with the
management at home. 3:00 p.m. at Schaumburg Fuddruckers? Agree or
disagree? (And are we having email problems today, or is the net
just unusually quiet?)

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

------------------------------

From: tonwald@metro2.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:39:22 -0300
Subject: Re: What is the potential of the 307?  And how much $$$ ???

>>
>> ** Note: putting 15lbs of boost through a 403, even heavily modified, would
>> give new meaning to the term "windowed block". This is assuming that no
>> solid-main blocks are to be had. If you could find one, then that 403 could
>> potentially put out 700hp, but you'd still have to fill the block with
>> hardener and O-ring the block and heads.
>>
>
>Is the 403 the only one that has windowed blocks???  Is the 307 and (non-
>diesel) 350 non-windowed???
>
>--Dan



- -Dan --

All small block Olds engines produced after 1977 are windowed,  with
exception of the diesel 350.  Oldsmobile re-tooled the engine foundries in
early '77.  This is the reason that you see so many 350 Chev engines in 77
Delta 88's. There was a shortage of 350 Olds engines,  and the Cutlass line
was selling like crazy those years and those engines were reserved for that
line.

I know that rumor has it that  that 2500 403's were produced with solid
main webs,  but I have yet to see one.  I am in the salvage business and I
have pulled apart hundreds of 403's searching for a non-windowed block.  I
even took apart a car that had a build date of 9-76 and it was windowed!
This was a very early production date  and it set my doubts about non
windowed 403's.

Tony

------------------------------

From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:38:19 -0300
Subject: Sun Tach 

> I have an sun super tach II that I want to hook up and have no idea what 
> wires are what.  They are:
> 
> blue
> red
> green
> black
> 
> Can anybody help me out?

Red = switched 12V

Black = ground

The other two will be for the distributor connection, the other for the dash
illimination.

Trace which one goes to the lamp in the tach and you have it.  My guess is
that the green is for the coil/tach lead and the blue is for the lighting.

Bob Handren                               OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified                        '70 SX Convertible

Handren Associates, Inc.             Oviedo, FL
U.S. FDA Regulatory Affairs, 
Laser & Optical Radiation Safety  (407)365-6385

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:45:08 -0300
Subject: RE: Administrivia (fwd)

David (and everyone),

I have forwarded your message to CCN for investigation. It would be 
helpful if you could tell me what addresses you are using and also if you 
could forward one of the error messages to me so I can pass it along. 

There is very little traffic today and I am suspicious given the changes 
that were made at CCN yesterday. I will keep you informed.

Greg

On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, WYATT DAVID L wrote:

> HELP!!!!! I have tried to post on the list to no avail. I keep getting a
> message that the address does not exsist. I have tried the old address and 
the
> new address. Neither is working. What am I doing wrong?
> Dave Wyatt
> Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.com
> 
> 

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:38:07 -0300
Subject: Red fender liners 

>>>68-71 W-30's have red inner fender wells 
>>>W Machines

Actually started in '67. I know 'cause I have 'em in my '67 W-30. Very hard
to find.

502 factory sets.  Not re-popped yet.  Probably won't because the air
cleaners are chromed steel.  The tooling necessary to make the air cleaners
and fender liners would probably never be amortized since there is not as
much interest as for the ~'70 versions.

But the red fender liners as an indication of a factory W-30 started in '67.

Bob Handren                               OCA# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified                        '70 SX Convertible

Handren Associates, Inc.             Oviedo, FL
U.S. FDA Regulatory Affairs, 
Laser & Optical Radiation Safety  (407)365-6385

------------------------------

From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@direct.ca>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 14:49:33 -0300
Subject: Re: TV ALert!! 

At 06:24 PM 9/21/96 -0300, you wrote:
>
>Saturday night at 10PM Eastern, The Learning Channel is presenting a 
>program called ""Chrome Dreams". Promo looks like it's about 50's and 
>60's cars. Might be worth a look...
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

Greg,

I've seen this program about a year ago and I recorded all four episodes.
The first hour is from the late 1800's to about 1950.  The second episode
deals mostly with the 1955, '56 and '57 Chevrolet.  The third episode is
IMHO is the best with the muscle car era.  It has many of the old
commercials, ads and interviews with people who were involved in making
these cars back then.  The 4th episode is the Japanese auto invasion and the
gas crunch.  You don't see any nice cars in this episode but it is
interesting to see what happened to the auto industry.

Nick DiGiovanni
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
1970 4-4-2 - "Snarls Softly and Carries a Big Kick"

------------------------------

From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@direct.ca>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 15:06:20 -0300
Subject: Re: Converting to a Dual Gate 

At 07:41 PM 9/22/96 -0300, you wrote:

>Do you realize that only a handful of column shift W30's were ever made? 
After 
>you change to a floor shift, yours will be like all the others.
>
>Art Fuller

We have two guys in our club that have '70 W-30's with column shift.  One is
a bench seat also.  The other is a bucket seat Post car with no air (I mean
no air cond., no air vents -ie. The area that the vents are supposed to be
is solid dash).  They are both documented original cars.  When you see a
W-30, you automaticaly think that it has a floor shift of some kind but when
you look inside and see that it doesn't, you sit there kinda stunned.
 
Nick DiGiovanni
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
1970 4-4-2 - "Snarls Softly and Carries a Big Kick"

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:11:57 -0300
Subject: test

test

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:50:00 -0300
Subject: '70 Olds W31

Darren,
I faxed a bunch of info that should help you determine the authenticity of 
that W31.  One other thing you can look for, if the car is non-A/C equipped, 
is if it has a fuel return line.  According to the 70 shop manual, all air 
conditioned cars and W-machines had a fuel return line (runs all the way 
back from the fuel pump to the fuel tank parallel to the fuel line.  If the 
car is non-AC and has the return line, there is a good indicator that it is 
a W31.  Let me know how you make out.

Also, I'm not sure, but I think all of the W-machines were made in Lansing 
("M" is the 7th character in the VIN)  How about it gang?  Since the 
W-machines were "select" cars, would they all have been made at the source 
of all things wonderful i.e. Lansing?
Scott Mullen
'70 442 that is not in Bryceman's home page.  I'm too lazy to look into how 
to do that.  Ain't got no picture scanner neither.  Later. 

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From: pnelson@cyberport.net (Nelson)
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:13:34 -0300
Subject: Disc Breaks 

What cars can be robbed of there disc breaks to fit my 67 88?  Does anyone
out there have a set of disc breaks that would fit a 67 88, and want to
sell them?
Kenneth

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From: "Steven Bettis" <bettiss@empnet.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Oct 1996 00:19:59 -0300
Subject: Super Sonic / 67 442 Bumper

Has any one used the Offenhauser Super sonic intake manifold.? ( Dominator
carb )
The offy tunnel ram works great, but I want to put my stock hood back on
without losing any performance.

Also need a 67 442 rear bumper.  Thanks,     bettiss@empnet.com

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 05:09:26 -0300
Subject: Re: Corel + Olds

>Just wondering if anyone would be interested in this. I took a picture of 
>my 69 Cutlass in front of Dr. Micheal Coplands new 15 million dollar home 
>today. If your wondering who he is, he is the man behind Corel as in Corel 
>Draw 6.0

Sounds like a good addition to the Bryceman's Web page...


Michael R. Hall                                  Ortonville, Michigan
E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com                   OCA #17903
The Oldsmobile Stable:    
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 16:13:08 -0300
Subject: test

test

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 1996 19:26:09 -0300
Subject: Re: test

david wyatt wrote:
> 
> test

B-

The 66 Toro and Mike


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