To:	Jeffrey A Easton/ADD_LAKE_HUB/ADD_HUB/ADD/US
cc:	 
From:	gbbea000 @ mail.cycor.ca@INTERNET1 @ ABTLAB
Date:	11/03/96 07:41:19 PM
Subject:	oldsmobile-digest V1 #349


oldsmobile-digest         Friday, 1 November 1996      Volume 01 :
Number 349


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From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 10:41:40 -0400
Subject: '87 350 engine swap

Hey guys and gals,
     I've wrote here before on whether or not I could swap a 350 in
place of my 307 in my '87 Cutlass Supreme. I have found out that I can
but I have one problem. I don't know where to start!! Can somebody maybe
give me some starting points? This is my first engine swap and I want to
make sure everything is just right because this is my daily driver and I
can't afford to have it running like crap. I do understand though that
there are bugs you have to work out.
     Any help is appreciated! Thanks.

Andy Geeting
geetinag@miavx1.muohio.edu

 '87 Cutlass Supreme
 '88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
 '74 Delta 88 convertible

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From: tonwald@metro2.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:10:45 -0400
Subject: Re: 67 425 crankshaft problems

. I have a 1966 400w/auto trans that came out of a 442. Will this engine
have a crank already drilled to accept the 4 speed
>

Ken --

Your 400 wiil not  be drilled for the pilot bearing.  Olds did not drill
any automatic equipped engines until 1975. Beginning in 1975, all
engines were drilled for bearings because the 260 V8 was introduced that
year and maual 5-speeds were very popular with this engine for fuel
economy.  Keep in mind that 1975 and 1976 455 cranks are drilled to
accept pilot bearings, they are not nodular iron and are slightly weaker
than the older models!

Tony

Cars.....                                 Boats........
1970 442 W-30                             1970 Rayson Craft flat bottom
455 Olds 1970 Toro GT W-34                         1979 Sidewinder jet
455 Olds 1965 Jetstar 88 w/4spd                    1986 Wellcraft Nova
454 Chev 1985 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer 1992 Seville STS Daily
Cruiser

 _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/+++\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_
\_\_


                                        Tony Waldner
tonwald@metro2.k12.mn.us                Northeast Metro 916
                                         3300 Century Ave. N.
                                         White Bear Lake, MN
                                                       55110

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_/_/

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From: Steven Larry Cannon <slcannon@uncc.edu>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:09:46 -0400
Subject: VCR heads

Brad,

	The car is a '86 442 so it is a 200-4R.  I wonder if anybody has ever
swapped a six speed into one of these things.  Anyhow,  I just had the
transmission rebuilt about three months ago and it seemed real sloppy.
Turns out the Throttle Valve cable was really out of adjustment (six
ridges showing when there should have been three at the max.).  I
readjusted it last Friday to the factory setting.  Now it's a lot better
than it was (I was beginning to feel like overdrives were for the
birds).  However,  I have three speed in my Nova and nothing beats
shifting when you want to.

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From: Steven Larry Cannon <slcannon@uncc.edu>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:23:35 -0400
Subject: 200-4R

- ----- Begin Included Message -----

>From slcannon@uncc.edu Thu Oct 31 11:20:45 1996
From: Steven Larry Cannon <slcannon@uncc.edu>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 11:20:41 -0500
To: oldsmobile@chebucto
Subject: 200-4R
Cc: slcannon@uncc.edu

Hey guys,

	I sent a message about this the other day, but I'm not sure if it made
it through.  I adjusted my TV (Brad I know you've seen this) cable
Friday.  It was really out of adjustment bad so I set it to the factory
setting.  I simply could not believe the difference it made.  While I
was at it I checked the tag on the transmission.  To my relief it was
natural and blue and had the letters KZF on it. Thanks to everyone who
helped me out with this.

Thanks,
Steve


- ----- End Included Message -----

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From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 12:54:00 -0400
Subject: Lansing- 8/20-8/23

Just a reminder that the Olds nationals are next year - Aug 20th-Aug
23rd. If you plan to go you better make your reservations NOW. Here is
the number 1-800-648-6630.

I made mine in May, and I'm 4-1/2 miles from the main sight.

cooler ta cruise,                                _   _
                                                 _| | |
       Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick \/\/ _| |_| red

             (MCORNEA@pt8228.pto.ford.com)

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From: Chris Sparks <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:38:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Lansing- 8/20-8/23

Mark Cornea wrote:

> Just a reminder that the Olds nationals are next year - Aug 20th-Aug
23rd. > If you plan to go you better make your reservations NOW. Here is
the number > 1-800-648-6630. > > I made mine in May, and I'm 4-1/2
miles from the main sight. > > cooler ta cruise,
_   _ >                                                  _| | | >
Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick \/\/ _| |_| red > >
(MCORNEA@pt8228.pto.ford.com)

Do you work for Ford?  If so then what an irony! :-)

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From: "Chris Brown Witt" <wittchri@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 13:41:18 -0400
Subject: Brief Rocket Science visit

Howdy, y'all, thought I'd stick my head in the door & give a holler.
Making some progress on the degree, but would rather do car stuffs as
per ususal. Great visit with Darren up N there...

Hey, Jason Labay, please contact me, I have a person looking for 75 H/O
parts, like a T-top which you might have...

Picked up a 69 Cutlass S nice parts car, great gold buckets interior...
trims, etc. Hood OK, front bumper. Now have about 45 pcs cars. Gotta off
some of them things that no one wants, like the Vistas & the Toros. :-)
Damn Delta 2-doors, 4-doors. Who'd want one of them, other that you
know, Bryce, Darren, Ken, etc.

My F*#d truck lived right up to the Found on Road Dead acronym on the
way back from the Traverse City trip... aye, wiring flambe'. Hey, if you
can't have a Toronado, at least you can have a flaming 5080# vehicle...
Heh. Laden with a '68 Toro driveline, hey, maybe that's what influenced
the electrical snafu/ fire...

Oy, the things that Ch*vy mechanics do... Got this in the email today...

> I have the following:
>
>  1966 400 (442 motor),       "B" heads, switch pitch trans (motor
would = > need gone thru) >  1967 425 (Big Car motor),  "C" heads,
edelbrock carb, runs good > >  The problem is that the 425 is in my 67
442 (4 speed) and I just found = > out that the tip of the input shaft
on the trans has been cut and the =
           ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 8-O  oh, NO, Mr. Bill!
"Hey, Daryl, that damn trans shaft is just too long! It's never gonna go
in there, whatta we DO?" "Hell, gimme the TORCH, I'll fix her up for
ya!"

> crank is not drilled to accept a pilot bushing.

So, that's about it. Working, dabbling in carstuff, awaiting the return
to the list, hope it's OK, and misinformation is being quashed at the
usual rate.

Jason Labay, get ahold of me, eh? Or just call this guy:
Phil, 517-256-2068 cell phone
          251-2869 pager
- --
Chris  B. Witt
wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

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From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:45:17 -0400
Subject: calendar

	Just flipped my desk "Dream Machines" calendar over to November. Wow,
nice '70 W30....black with red stripes........Anyone know who's it is?

cooler ta cruise,                                _   _
                                                 _| | |
       Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick \/\/ _| |_| red

             (MCORNEA@pt8228.pto.ford.com)

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From: "Jason K. Adcock" <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:12:00 -0400
Subject: Oldsmobile Wheels

Hi all.  I have been wondering, and in fact I asked Greg Beaulieu
already, what are the official names of the wheel styles that Olds made?
Are there SSI's?  Greg said SSII's are painted grey and SSIII's are
body-color.  What, then are the chrome wheels on my 1984 Calais?
SSIV's?!  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks!
____________________________ Jason K. Adcock adcock@erols.com

1984 Olds Cutlass
http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason

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From: "Darren Shroeger" <shrigg@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:43:25 -0400
Subject: Re: '68 or '69 Air cleaner needed

>Would anyone know where I could find '68 or '69 factory air cleaner for
a >4-barrel?  I am converting my '69 350-2bbl to a 4bbl and would like
to keep >it as factory looking as possible.

Jeff,

The aircleaner you need is red-orange in color and will have a tin plate
(68) or foil sticker (69) saying Rocket 455 or whatever.

I have one, but plan to use it for my Apprehender Jr. Delmont
makeover...


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From: "Darren Shroeger" <shrigg@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:45:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Delmont Love

>Having fallen hard for  your Delmont's sister- my '67 Delta 88    >
>I have a 425 w/ a 2bbl (and 65,000 orig miles) and I LOVE letting her
get >frisky, especially around some of these disposable 'youngsters' on
the road >today - they're ALWAYS left with their mouths hanging open
(and

Yes! I plan to treat Dell to some very nice 350 parts for a Jr.
Apprehender makeover (Of course I will retain all stock parts):

72 7A heads w/ 2" intake (Big!) valves (a la W31) Hard Seats!
68 4V intake
66 Quadrajet- all rebuilt and running great!
67 442 cam- got from Chris Witt when he was up.
69 Red 4v aircleaner

I'll talk to Mark Cornea about suitable "Apprehender Rocket 350"
aircleaner tins... Are you reading this, Mark?

>Enjoy - and give Dell the winters off - she's come this far looking
that >good - help her stay that way.

Already found a barn for her...

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From: Chris Sparks <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:32:16 -0400
Subject: Re: '68 or '69 Air cleaner needed

Jeff,
>
> The aircleaner you need is red-orange in color and will have a tin
plate (68) > or foil sticker (69) saying Rocket 455 or whatever.

Mine says 442 on it.

>
> I have one, but plan to use it for my Apprehender Jr. Delmont
makeover...

I probably keep mine too, however, I would love a dual snorkel.

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: Chris Sparks <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:38:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Delmont Love

Isn't this Delmont Love more like Muscrat Love? :-))))))

Chris Sparks

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From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:03:01 -0400
Subject: VIRUS

There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If you
receive an e-mail message with the subject line "Irina", DO NOT read the
message. DELETE it immediately. Someone is sending people files under
the title "Irina". If you receive this mail or file, do not download it.
It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating anything on
it. Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you care about.

Bobby

70 442
92 Seville
88 Seville

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From: "Jason Hairston" <jth442@flash.net>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:14:53 -0400
Subject: speed

I have a 403 with hi mileage.  But it runs great.  I was wondering if
someone could tell me if these engines have a governor on them.  It can
get from 80 to 100 in a snap.  Speedo goes to 85, but I've had it way
past.  So I don't know what speeds I'm getting to.  Its not hard to get
to 100+ so I'm sure there is some unused power.

Jason Hairston
77  442

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:45:22 -0400
Subject: Valve Job Experience

I'm beginning to suspect that my '68 350 needs a valve job to cure a
persistent (though intermittent) performance problem. The symptoms
include a high-sounding tick that varies with speed, a general decline
in performance, sort of like running on 7 cylinders, a rich-smelling
exhaust despite all attempts to cure it (i.e. ignition parts replaced,
carb fine-tuned), and an occasional pop through the carb on
acceleration. The problems seem to worsen with time so they sometimes
do not appear until the car is driven for 20 minutes. The infuriating
thing is that at times they go away entirely and the car runs like new.
These instances usually follow application of chemicals to the fuel
system. I suspect a valve is hanging up somewhere. Whatever, I'm tired
of fooling with it and want a permanent cure.

What should I look out for in getting a valve job done? I'm guessing
that on a '68 (#5 heads) I'll need to have hardened valve seats
installed, but what else should I watch for? Are there different kinds
of work I can choose from? I called one place today to get a ballpark
estimate on price; the guy went away, looked something up, and came back
with an answer of "about $800 plus taxes". That was about twice what I
was expecting but that included them doing everything from pulling the
heads to reinstallation. Any experience with how much this should cost?

Thanks in advance!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@ccn.cs.dal.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:40:24 -0400
Subject: Re: speed

At 04:14 PM 10/31/96 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a 403 with hi mileage.  But it runs great.  I was wondering if
>someone could tell me if these engines have a governor on them.  It can
get

No governor, per se, but with a .400" lift cam, you're not going to get
a lot of air and fuel into those cylinders at above 4000rpm. Get a
better cam, freer-flowing air cleaner and exhaust, and you can see
130mph. Just don't stay there too long...

>from 80 to 100 in a snap.  Speedo goes to 85, but I've had it way past.
So >I don't know what speeds I'm getting to.  Its not hard to get to
100+ so >I'm sure there is some unused power.

Untapped potential, but in stock form the 403 is not a top-end motor.

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From: Anthony Del Balso <anthony@robots.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 17:58:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Valve Job Experience

I just had a valve job done on my #8 heads.  Total cost was 330$.  They
told me to install hardened seats (in another pair of heads) would add
100$.

This head rebuild included all new valves (standard size).  Bronze valve
guides shaving 050 off bottom surface, installing the valvesprings I
supplied (Mondello pieces) to the correct installed height (w/ shims).
They also gave the heads a nice paint job.  They used a 3 angle valve
grind on either the xhaust or intake valves, can't remember which, and
a two angle on the other one (because there wasn't enough space for a 3
angle). I brought in the heads to them so they didn't have to remove or
install.  They also mentioned to step up to the larger intake valves,
would have cost an additional 120$.  Oh, they used the stock umbrella
type valve seals on the exhaust, and Viton seals on the intake valves.

Hope this helps some.

anthony

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 19:32:38 -0400
Subject: Re: VIRUS

At 04:03 PM 10/31/96 -0400, you wrote:
>There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If
you >receive an e-mail message with the subject line "Irina", DO NOT
read the >message. DELETE it immediately. Someone is sending people
files under the >title "Irina". If you receive this mail or file, do not
>download it. It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating
>anything on it. Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you
>care about.

Email viruses are a bit of a misconception.  Email messages themselves
can do nothing to your hard drive or any other part of your computer.
It is not an executable file.  It is not a program written to do
anything (format your hard drive, mess up your RAM, whatever).  If ,
however, someone attached a file to the email and you executed that
file, then you may have problems. But you would actually have to type in
the command to start the virus. Simply reading a piece of email will not
start a virus.

Every time I have ever heard of an email virus, it has been a hoax.  A
couple years ago, when I was using AOL, there was supposed to be an
email message with a specific subject going around, and if you read it,
it would start a virus and screw up your hard drive.  Well, it was
determined to be a hoax.  AOL posted an announcement stating such,
similar to what I said above. - -- Dave Paulison                  1969
Cutlass Supreme Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse
GS dpauliso@gate.net

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 19:45:03 -0400
Subject: To ~all~ mid 80's Cutlass fans...

Got my hood scoop today, entirely too cool!  Went to the dealer to get a
matching hood ornament (OK, the Hurst used an "emblem" or plate, while
the rest used an ornament, ya know, cuz the ornament stands up and all)
Anyway, that of course was discontinued since '91.  Anyone have one?  (I
mean, that they don't need anymore...)
     Anyway, while there I found a really interesting page in the parts
book.  Check this out, it gives me a fascinating imagination storm.  Has
anyone ~ever~ seen a hood like this?
                          |
                (Go here \|/ now)
       http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner/81front.jpg

It looks like some kind of Turbo deal, but they never offerred a turbo
in this car.  It would sure look great with two of these things on
there, though...  Notice there is no part number on the scoop.  Or the
hood, for that matter.  I'm assuming it was discontinued before the car
was even made!  :(

     Later, gotta go to work now!

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties!)

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 19:39:32 -0400
Subject: RE: VIRUS

>There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If
you >receive an e-mail message with the subject line "Irina", DO NOT
read the >message. DELETE it immediately. Someone is sending people
files under the >title "Irina". If you receive this mail or file, do not
>download it. It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating
>anything on it. Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you
>care about.

I liked this hoax the first time.

Roger Borlase
http://www.cs.gordonc.edu/~borlase

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:06:21 -0400
Subject: W25?

What does the W25 package consist of?
I have a 70 442 and have been told that it is a W25 because of the rear
fin, OAI hood and ram air parts.  What else?
I know that the cars with the W25 came with srtipes, different that
those of the W30.  In what way were they different?
Thanks
Brad
70 442

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From: Paul Martin <paul@dtm.bc.ca>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:29:59 -0400
Subject: W25?

    From firewall.dtm.bc.ca!chebucto.ns.ca!oldsmobile-owner Thu Oct 31
16:07:21 1996
    Message-ID: <32793EFD.52C2@napanet.net>
    Date:Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:06:21 -0800
    From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
    Organization: NapaNet Internet Services
    X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02 (Win95; I)
    MIME-Version: 1.0
    To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
    Subject: W25?
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
    Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
    Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
    Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca


    What does the W25 package consist of?
    I have a 70 442 and have been told that it is a W25 because of the
rear
    fin, OAI hood and ram air parts.  What else?
    I know that the cars with the W25 came with srtipes, different that
    those of the W30.  In what way were they different?
    Thanks
    Brad
    70 442
        W-25 was the option code for the ram air hood on non W-30
or W-31 cars. All you got was the ram air package. The stripe
reference ment you couldn't order the optional stripes for the
steel hood because the W-25 had its own pattern.

Paul Martin

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 20:39:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Wheels

In a message dated 96-10-31 15:14:45 EST, you write:

>  What,
>  then are the chrome wheels on my 1984 Calais?  SSIV's?!

My '84 dealer album refers to these as Super Stock Chrome Wheels.

Paul

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From: Blair Rendell <brendell@pi.pro.ec>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 21:30:24 -0400
Subject: 72 Hurst/Olds

>Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 18:56:33
>To: Olds 442s
>From: Blair Rendell <brendell@pi.pro.ec>
>Subject: 72 Hurst/Olds
>
>Hi!
> I am planning on buying a 72 Hurst Olds  in the next 6 months and
would like to know if there are some things I should look for when I
find one. Like..how is the Sunroof option?? Does it give
problems...leak? or parts availability? General price range? What are
the correct s/ns for these cars? I have seen one already in Florida..S/N
3J57UZM213375, (is this a legit #?) in good condition..without sunroof
or pw and no rally pac. For 12,500  bit steep I think..has about 80,000
miles on untouched engine/trans. > If anyone has one for sale please let
me know.....my 1971 442 W30 Convertible needs company!!  Thanks!
Blair Rendell >

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:03:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Cutlass Courtship

>           While this trick worked during the period of annual model
>           styling changes, many cars today use the same taillight
>           lenses over a period of several years.  What you will find
>           out is the first year of use of that taillight, but not
>           necessarily the correct year of the car.  Aren't all 83-87
>           Cutlass taillights the same?

No . . . 81-84 had a vertical stripe down the middle of each taillight;
84-88 had a rocket emblem in the middle, no stripe.

8)
peg

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:07:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: FAQ 2.0

> This is a good idea, actually the way I would like to distribute it.
And > it would work better for many people as Chris points out.  I'm
working on a > web site, at the moment, where it could be downloaded.

Whynot Bryce's page?  I'll offer mine if that doesn't work.

8)
peg

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From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.EDU>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:15:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Increasing a cars value

Chris S . . . . what did you mean, your city made you get rid of your
car???  That sounds pretty scary to me . . . .

8)
peg

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From: "Spud" <spud@kudonet.com>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 14:22:22 -0400
Subject: for the Oldsmobile Enthusiast

Heidi came through.  Today I received my requested copy of "Aids for
the Oldsmobile Enthusiast," with revision date March 1, 1996.

Thanks, Heidi.  This ought to be worth a few points on the
credibility scale.
Spud	"Fart proudly."
'86 FXST
'73 Olds Delta 88 Royale
'79 Chry Le Baron T&C wagon

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From: jmartin <jmartin@monroe.ny.frontiercomm.net>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 01:53:30 -0400
Subject: 1971 cutlass convertible

Dear Olds Lover,
  I am in the process of restoring an olds. I need all the help
I can get. John Martin
           6, San Antonio Circle
           Monroe,NY 10950	
           jmartin@monroe.ny.frontiercomm.net

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From: Dave Isho <davei@concentric.net>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:51:48 -0400
Subject: VIRUS

>>Return-Path: <oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Errors-To: <oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Date: 	Thu, 31 Oct 1996 16:03:01 -0400
>From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
>Subject: VIRUS
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Sender: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>
>There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If
you >receive an e-mail message with the subject line "Irina", DO NOT
read the >message. DELETE it immediately. Someone is sending people
files under the >title "Irina". If you receive this mail or file, do not
>download it. It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive, obliterating
>anything on it. Please be careful and forward this mail to anyone you
>care about. > >Bobby > >70 442 >92 Seville >88 Seville > > >

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/ ___|  ___ _ ____   _(_) ___  ___
\___ \ / _ \ '__| \ / / |/ __|/ _ \    Dave Isho
 ___) |  __/ |   \ V /| | (__|  __/    davei@concentric.net
|____/ \___|_|    \_/ |_|\___|\___|    (301) 601-0205




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From: Dave Isho <davei@concentric.net>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 22:56:47 -0400
Subject: VIRUS - More info

In reference to the last message, I have been told that a virus cannot
be executed simply by reading an e-mail, but if it has a file attached
that contains the  virus and you execute the file(and the virus) then
you can have problems. I also realize that there have been hoaxes in the
past that sound an awful lot like this story. But I always feel better
safe than sorry when it comes to things like this.

=================================================================

 ____  ___   ___ _     _                           _
|  _ \( _ ) /___| |   (_)_ __ ___   ___  _   _ ___(_)_ __   ___
| | | | _ \ \__ \ |   | | '_ ` _ \ / _ \| | | | __| | '_ \ / _ \
| |_| |(_> \ __) ||___| | | | | | | (_) | |_| |__ \ | | | |  __/
|____/\___/\|___/_____|_|_| |_| |_|\___/ \__,_|___/_|_| |_|\___|
 ____                  _
/ ___|  ___ _ ____   _(_) ___  ___
\___ \ / _ \ '__| \ / / |/ __|/ _ \    Dave Isho
 ___) |  __/ |   \ V /| | (__|  __/    davei@concentric.net
|____/ \___|_|    \_/ |_|\___|\___|    (301) 601-0205




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From: Blair Rendell <brendell@pi.pro.ec>
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 23:21:45 -0400
Subject: Re: 1971 cutlass convertible

At 01:53 AM 11/1/96 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear Olds Lover,
>  I am in the process of restoring an olds. I need all the help
>I can get. John Martin
>           6, San Antonio Circle
>           Monroe,NY 10950	
>           jmartin@monroe.ny.frontiercomm.net
>
>Hello John:
 I have a 71 442 convertible and have gathered a bit of knowledge about
these cars over the last 20yrs.  Lotsa helpful people here. As for any
questions.... Fire away.!
                                             Blair Rendell
>

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From: kdporter@midwest.net (kdporter)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 01:22:29 -0400
Subject: Question on rear end

I have a rear end out of a 66-67,B-O-P the casting on the rear is dated
early 66 the ring gear is dated late 66.The rear end is a 3.55 posi,the
center section has a "N" on it.I need to know if it is a pon.buick or a
olds? The letters Z-H are stamped in the left axle housing.
   thanks


kdporter
kdporter@midwest.net

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From: kdporter@midwest.net (kdporter)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 01:47:44 -0400
Subject: rear end question

I have a question I hope someone can answer for me.I got a 66 or 67 rear
end it is a 3.55 posi 10 bolt it has the cone type unit it is also a
nodular housing.The rear end housing has a casting date of early 66 the
gears are casted in late 66,the axle housing also has the letters Z H .I
need to know if the rear is out of a pontiac,buick or olds.I am going to
sell the rear end need to know what its value is.
 Thanks


kdporter
kdporter@midwest.net

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From: "Gregory G. Kalkhoff" <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 05:08:24 -0400
Subject: Toro FAQ Page

To all Toronado List members,

The "beta" version of the Toronado FAQ Page is ready for inspection.

Please stop by and check it out. All comments and suggestions would be
appreciated.

http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/index2.htm

I am presently working on the href for the "Generations" and other
projects for the site. Mike Frederick is also working on some really
nifty stuff that will blow your socks off!!!!!

I am very enthusiastic about this project and will do everything
possible to maintain high standards and quality to allow all to
participate, enjoy, and learn more about their Toronados.

Sparky

- --
Greg Kalkhoff                             See the Sparkmobile
AKA  "Sparky"                       http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html
Milwaukee, WI

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 20:38:49 -0400
Subject: Re: VIRUS

Dave Isho wrote:
>

> >There is a computer virus that is being sent across the Internet. If
you > >receive an e-mail message with the subject line "Irina", DO NOT
read the > >message. DELETE it immediately. Someone is sending people
files under the > >title "Irina". If you receive this mail or file, do
not > >download it. It has a virus that rewrites your hard drive,
obliterating > >anything on it. Please be careful and forward this mail
to anyone you > >care about.

There have been a number of replies to this... so, here I go.

Communications Week Oct. 28, 1996
Here are some excerpts to think about:
"The proliferation of E-mail is making it easier for viruses to get
around."
"Other technologies that are gaining ground on the internet, such as
ActiveX and Java, also are raising concern.  Traditional anti-virus
software isn't equipped to recognize these file types and cannot
identify viruses that may reside within them."
"We're worried that viruses will go to FTP and ActiveX, as well as other
sophisticated protocols."

None of this confirms that someone has found a way to put a virus in
e-mail, yet.
Bottom line: don't panic, but take warnings seriously or you will be
burned by some virus.

- -Kurt
'71 442

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From: Dennis W Johnson <dwjohnso@sunbird.usd.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:09:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Increasing a cars value

On Thu, 31 Oct 1996, Peg O'Connor wrote:
> Chris S . . . . what did you mean, your city made you get rid of
> your car???  That sounds pretty scary to me . . . .
> 8) peg

If it is like Vermillion, South Dakota, they made virtually all of
the options other than getting rid of it more work than it was worth.
My 59 El Camino had a windshield trashed by children before I bought
it.  As I was trying to find a good one the city towed it away as an
"abandoned" car.  The broken glass meant it was not driveable on the
street, thus it had to go.  By their standards a flat tire qualifies
it as an "abandoned" car, irregardless of conversations with the owner,
license plates, insurance, etc.  It was easier to get rid of it than
find a garage in a University town.  Besides, the 59 is the ugliest
Chevrolet ever made.
dj

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From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:33:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Delmont Love

On Oct 31,  2:45pm, Darren Shroeger wrote:
> Subject: Re: Delmont Love
> >Having fallen hard for  your Delmont's sister- my '67 Delta 88    >
> >I have a 425 w/ a 2bbl (and 65,000 orig miles) and I LOVE letting her
get > >frisky, especially around some of these disposable 'youngsters'
on the road > >today - they're ALWAYS left with their mouths hanging
open (and > > Yes! I plan to treat Dell to some very nice 350 parts for
a Jr. > Apprehender makeover (Of course I will retain all stock parts): > >
72 7A heads w/ 2" intake (Big!) valves (a la W31) Hard Seats! > 68 4V
intake > 66 Quadrajet- all rebuilt and running great! > 67 442 cam- got
from Chris Witt when he was up. > 69 Red 4v aircleaner > > I'll talk to
Mark Cornea about suitable "Apprehender Rocket 350" > aircleaner tins...
Are you reading this, Mark? > > >Enjoy - and give Dell the winters off -
she's come this far looking that > >good - help her stay that way. > >
Already found a barn for her... > >
--------------------------------------------------------- > Get Your
*Web-Based* Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com >
--------------------------------------------------------- > >-- End of
excerpt from Darren Shroeger


Darren - How about the "Highway Patrol" version? It's a half moon style
for 1970, color is silver/red/black.......thats the closest.

cooler ta cruise,                                _   _
                                                 _| | |
       Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick \/\/ _| |_| red

             (MCORNEA@pt8228.pto.ford.com)

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 12:37:08 -0400
Subject: Re: VIRUS

Kurt Heinrich wrote:

> None of this confirms that someone has found a way to put a virus in
> e-mail, yet.

You raise some interesting points, Kurt.

> "The proliferation of E-mail is making it easier for viruses to get
> around."

On the surface, this is true.  However, ALL email is sent as 7-bit ASCII
 therefore no virus (8/16/32-bit binary) is in an executable form as
received.  Some action would have to be taken to decode it into an
executable form before it can do any damage.

At present, the only automatic decoding done by most browsers is of JPEG
 or GIF in-line images.  BUT... many browser, such as Netscape, allow
you to associate "plug-ins" or some external process to expand this
capability.  Be DAMN careful about this.  Configuring your browser to
automatically decode and execute is letting the door open to a virus.

> "Other technologies that are gaining ground on the internet, such as
> ActiveX and Java, also are raising concern.

This is a jump from email but certainly an area of concern.

> Traditional anti-virus software isn't equipped to recognize these file
 > types and cannot identify viruses that may reside within them."

True.  They scan disk files and memory -- not encoded email attachments.

> "We're worried that viruses will go to FTP and ActiveX, as well as
> other sophisticated protocols."

And, unfortunately, they will.  If you have any knowledge of anyone
developing or distributing a virus, TURN THEM IN!  They are no different
 from any other type of terrorist.

> Bottom line: don't panic, but take warnings seriously or you will be
> burned by some virus.

Good advice.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:54:21 -0400
Subject: RE: Question on rear end

Its buick, pontiac, or olds.

Roger Borlase
http://www.cs.gordonc.edu/~borlase

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From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 09:21:39 -0400
Subject: RE: VIRUS

I agree with Kurt and Michael, with the technologies that are available
today it is easy to pass a virus.  With automatic decoding of files that
most browsers use today, a wise man (or woman) would take warnings
seriously.

I posted this message with this in mind. No one that I know has sent a
virus by E-mail, however that doesn't mean it can't be done in the
future. The "Irina" virus is a enclosure to a e-mail message.  The
warning message was sent from HQ. Department of the Army. I do not know
if there is really a "Irina" virus, but if I get a e-mail with a
enclosure by that name..... you can guess the rest.


Bobby

70 442
92 Seville
88 Seville
________________________________________________________________________
_______ From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Fri, Nov 1, 1996 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: VIRUS To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

Kurt Heinrich wrote:

> None of this confirms that someone has found a way to put a virus in
> e-mail, yet.

You raise some interesting points, Kurt.

> "The proliferation of E-mail is making it easier for viruses to get
> around."

On the surface, this is true.  However, ALL email is sent as 7-bit ASCII
 therefore no virus (8/16/32-bit binary) is in an executable form as
received.  Some action would have to be taken to decode it into an
executable form before it can do any damage.

At present, the only automatic decoding done by most browsers is of JPEG
 or GIF in-line images.  BUT... many browser, such as Netscape, allow
you to associate "plug-ins" or some external process to expand this
capability.  Be DAMN careful about this.  Configuring your browser to
automatically decode and execute is letting the door open to a virus.

> "Other technologies that are gaining ground on the internet, such as
> ActiveX and Java, also are raising concern.

This is a jump from email but certainly an area of concern.

> Traditional anti-virus software isn't equipped to recognize these file
 > types and cannot identify viruses that may reside within them."

True.  They scan disk files and memory -- not encoded email attachments.

> "We're worried that viruses will go to FTP and ActiveX, as well as
> other sophisticated protocols."

And, unfortunately, they will.  If you have any knowledge of anyone
developing or distributing a virus, TURN THEM IN!  They are no different
 from any other type of terrorist.

> Bottom line: don't panic, but take warnings seriously or you will be
> burned by some virus.

Good advice.

The 66 Toro and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/



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From: dcart@micro.ti.com (Donald B Cart)
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:31:53 -0400
Subject: olds for sale

 Found these in the Houston Chronicle.  Cars are in the Houston, TX area
with an area code of (713).

 What caught my attention was the '68 Delmont 88.  Who know's maybe
another Delmont Love connection will be made.  If only there were some
good 442's for sale in the area....


-
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---- Oldsmobile 1968 $4,950 (10/30/96) '68 OLDS Ninety-Eight Coupe, 99%
restored. New eng. Beautiful! $4950. Wk 695-4724/Hm 861-2835 -
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---- Oldsmobile 1968 $2,500 (10/23/96) '68 Olds Delmont 88, 2 dr coupe,
Ex. Int., Runs Great, 455 red rocket. $2500. 926-8702, Jesse -
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---- Oldsmobile 1971 $3,200 (10/27/96) '71 OLDS Delta 88 Conv: candy
paint, casket int, 455, runs great. $3200 nego. Kevin at 666-9452 -
------------------------------------------------------------------------
---- Oldsmobile 1978 $5,995 (10/27/96) '78 Olds Toro ``XS'' Brougham.
''Special Limited Edition`` W/wrap-around back wndw. & elect. sun roof.
New tires, brks & front end, 80K orig. mi. exc cond. Blk/blk, $5995. Jim
855-3629.


Don Cart

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From: Chris Sparks <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:39:34 -0400
Subject: Re: for the Oldsmobile Enthusiast

Thank Heidi!  I got booklet as well.

Chris Sparks

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From: Chris Sparks <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 1 Nov 1996 10:50:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Increasing a cars value

Peg wrote:

> Chris S . . . . what did you mean, your city made you get rid of your
> car???  That sounds pretty scary to me . . . .

No kidding.  My car seemed to be a little too ugly for their tastes as
well as the neighbor's.  My next door neighbor had to get rid of his
too.  The only difference is that mine was operational!!!  So what if I
had rust holes.  It was insured, license, and in running condition.  The
day I got rid of my car was a very sad day indeed.  This was my first
car.  When I bought it, it was not in good cosmetic shape.  That is why
I got it for $300.00!  Do you remember the movie Turner and Hooch.  Well
my dashboard, seats looked like a war zone. The man who owned the car
prior to me getting it (a part of an estate sale) had smoked a lot in
his car and of course the ensuing damages their.  As time progressed
the car needed PS, tranny work, engine work, wheel bearings, brakes, and
so on...  When I got my 68 442, I felt it was worth putting the money in
bringing this one up to par.  My head was turned by a prettier face.
Sue me! :-)

That felt good to vent.  Nobody else, except for the friendly and caring
people of this group, understands my feelings.  All my friends used to
call my car an old P.O.S (piece of ...).  Well it was my P.O.S and I
loved it.  That is why I purchased another Olds.  I love Olds!!! (Heidi
if you are reading this I am starting to get sappy here)

That's is enough crying!  BTW I was challenged by an Aurora!  The car
seemed sprite, however, it lacked guts (unlike my 442).  Olds are you
listening.  Make another 442 in an Aurora and boy that will be HOT!
(And please don't sock it to us in the price either.  Sheesh!)

Chris Sparks

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