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Subject:	oldsmobile-digest V1 #327


oldsmobile-digest         Friday, 11 October 1996      Volume 01 : Number 327


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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 17:22:10 -0300
Subject: Re: Toro Wheel Bearing Info

PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:
> 
>                             OlCar Bearing Company

Cool.  Archived...

The 66 Toro and Mike


- -- 
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:48:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Oldsmobiles on film

> >I believe that was a blue Chevrolet in Tommy Boy.  Early/mid sixties era.
> >Got banged up terribly.  Shame.
> >--
> 
> that was a plymouth. You can read the air cleaner in one seen "Super Commando
> 383" 
> DrkSole

	Yup.  A GTX to be exact.  Not an Olds, but still a pretty cool
car...well, at least until they trashed it!

			Scott
		1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:09:23 -0300
Subject: Interior questions? 

Guys and Gals,

When the car goes into the garage for the winter its interior is gonna
get spruced up.  Car is '66 442.  

Specifically carpet and package tray.  Whose replacement carpets are the
best?  Originality is the goal.  I'd rather spend a few extra bucks and
have the best stuff.

Now about that package tray;  mine is in excellent shape, but badly
discolored.  Rear seat speaker option, BTW, so it has that mesh pattern.
I would prefer to dye mine.  Is this possible??  Also I would like to dye
it without removing it.  Is that possible??  Who could provide the dye??

If this is impossible, whose package tray replacement is best?

Trim code for car is 983 Midnight Blue.

Thanks in advance for all replys,

Mike Turley         '66 442
turley@symplex.com

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 14:33:19 -0300
Subject: Re: Heater core....this or that?  

>	Heater core: Clogged or shot? 
[...]
>	It'll generate some hot heat through the vents, but the hot will
>eventually dissolve into not-so-hot. Move the COLD/WARM lever to cold,
>wait about 15 seconds, turn it to warm again, presto! More short-lived
>heat. 

Okay, I've waded through all the followups and have several thoughts
on this:

1) I think the core is shot, probably clogged. The short-lived heat you
get following a switch from warm to cold and back again may be due to
your temporarily trapping air around the core and giving it a bit more
time to warm up. The core itself probably has very little flow, but it
may also (or instead) have clogged fins -- 28 years of leaf debris, say.
Unfortunately you have to go to so much trouble to get at the core in
the first place that you might as well replace it anyway.

2) The vacuum-operated heater valve and door system is usually on A/C
equipped cars; the all-manual controls (without a heater valve, from what
people here are saying) are usually on non-A/C equipped cars. YMMV.

3) A worn vacuum valve in the dash heat control can cause a vacuum leak
and weird control behavior. Most obvious sign of this is air only coming
from floor and/or windshield (defroster) vents regardless of setting, and
a constant wheezing or hissing noise from the dash. (Momentary wheezing
noises when you change settings are normal.) A vacuum leak elsewhere such
as under the hood can give you weird temperature fluctuations if you've
got the heat on. If the engine loses vacuum at high speed, the heat will
go off when the heater valve closes; when you let off the gas and coast,
and manifold vacuum recovers, the valve reopens and your heat comes back.

4) Yes, there are valves mounted behind the dash control panel on A/C
equipped cars which can leak, and a separate one in the input heater
hose under the hood for turning coolant flow through the heater core
on and off, in addition to operating vent doors in the dash. The heater
hose location valve location varies, so just trace each heater hose to
see if you have one; for example, my '82 had it in-line in the hose,
whereas my '76 had it screwed into the top of the engine with the hose
attached to the top outlet. Good luck...

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: "Michael Calvo" <mcalvo@hologic.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:54:54 -0300
Subject: Chicago Meet vs. Boston Meet 

     
     For the record it was a '70 442 W30 4spd not a '72 (and I thought we 
     made a good impression ;(  
     
     Michael
     
     '68 Cutlass Supreme
     and a '70 442 W30

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From: Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:01:33 -0300 
Subject: Re[4]: crossmember

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>

>     I just got Torque Techs catalog, they offer 3" systems for all A and
>     G-bodies, different systems too for manifolds/cat-back or headers.

Didnt I see an ad for them, also selling 2.5" pipes?  I always blew it off
as I assumed they were for headers only.

Do they address the Chrome Trumpets at all in the catalog, or do they
assume you'll just skip 'em and route the 3" pipes all the way past
the bumper?

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442   4-Speed

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:16:27 -0300
Subject: ARE THEY THE SAME ?

>Are Olds 1969 Toro Front Side Marker Lights And Lenses The Same 
>As 1969 Olds Cutlass S Front Side Marker Lights..??

I sense desperation in this post so I'll throw in a wild guess:
If they look the same, they probably are. The engineering of marker
lights didn't start to get real fancy until the following year when
reflectors were added. The '69 Cutlass units were simple rectangles
with clear lenses and a 194A amber bulb, weren't they? I can't picture
a '69 Toro at all (Crowd: "STONE HIM!!!") and our web feed is down at
the moment so I can't ransack Bryceman's pages, but that's my WAG.

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:47:40 -0300
Subject: Re: UPS man bringeth posiness!

Dave,
I'm glad to hear that your rear end arrived. Did you say that UPS delivered a 
rear end? The entire thing, or just the center part, or just the posi unit? I 
didn't know they would handle anything that big.

Art Fuller

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From: David Johnston <dhjohnst@learn.senecac.on.ca>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:53:03 -0300
Subject: Re: 4.5" exhaust?

On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Tom Lentz wrote:

Yeah I went to a junk yard and electrical conduate. They had everything 
right up until 5 inches. It is a little bit heavy but the steel walls are 
thin so its OK. I went with the 4.5 inches because it was all they had in 
stock at the time. 

4.5 inches for pipes is a little large but I think that it is well worth 
it. There is a healthy amount of air flow from them. Another cool thing 
about them is that at around 1200 rpm there is some serious amount of 
drown from them that would put any sub woofer to shame. Wonderfull when 
going through parking lots becasue it will set off car alawms at 100 
feet. The other cool thing is that when traviling on the highway ar 55 
mph, the noise level is a nice cool noise that puts all passengers to 
sleep. :)


> 
>      Holy water mains Batman!  4.5" exhaust?  Cooooool. . . .
>      
>      I just got Torque Techs catalog, they offer 3" systems for all A and 
>      G-bodies, different systems too for manifolds/cat-back or headers.
> 


>      
> In my '72 Olds Cutlass, I have headers comming off the 350 and into 4.5 
> inch conduate piping that ends right at the diff. It workd really fine 
> for me.
>      



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From: tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 17:00:57 -0300
Subject: Mirrors

> So far, I've found methods of removing silver and aluminum from 
> mirrors, all by use of hazardous chemicals.  When I find a method 
> for reapplying a reflective coating, I'll post the set ... 

Please do. 


> ...  severe chemical burns or products of reaction (gas) inhalation 
> hazards, on top of the usual hazardous chemical problems (spills,
> burns, inhalation, disposal, yada, yada)...

Sounds like a good time... :)  


> I don't see these as home remedies and can't recommend them, 
> but they might be interesting to a few out there.

If nothing else, think of it as a lesson in what NOT to do.


- - Travis and the 69 olds 98 convertible aka "Tiny"
- --
Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 09:48:35 -0300
Subject: Re[5]: crossmember 

     Just so you don't think I'm ignoring you, I'll check the catalog and 
     get back to you, but don't expect a reply before Monday since I'll be 
     out of town.
     
     Check their ad and call the tech support number and ask them, they'll 
     be happy to send a free catalog after answering your questions.  My 
     interest was in their G-body stuff, and their 2.5" exhaust for my car 
     isn't out yet.  Probably by the end of the year.  The sales guy said 
     their 3" system has been such a big seller that the 2.5" got pushed 
     back.  Well duh, if all they have to sell is the 3" system that's the 
     only one their going to sell any of, right?


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Subject: Re[4]: crossmember
Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET
Date:    10/10/96 12:18 PM
     
>     I just got Torque Techs catalog, they offer 3" systems for all A and 
>     G-bodies, different systems too for manifolds/cat-back or headers.
     
Didnt I see an ad for them, also selling 2.5" pipes?  I always blew it off 
as I assumed they were for headers only.
     
Do they address the Chrome Trumpets at all in the catalog, or do they 
assume you'll just skip 'em and route the 3" pipes all the way past 
the bumper?

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From: tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 17:04:37 -0300
Subject: Re: Heater core....this or that?

> Pretty sure the '64 has no heater control valve. I know the '68 
> doesn't either - in fact I don't think I've ever seen one of 
> these things.

I guess you've never had an A/C equipped car. :)   Living in Canada 
I can see how this might happen.  They're as common as dirt down 
here in Texas... 

- - Travis and the 69 olds 98 convertible aka "Tiny"
- --
Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

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From: tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 17:10:40 -0300
Subject: Re: yet another Olds in the movies

> That was an Olds in Perfect World?  Was it white?  

I _think_ so... Maybe with some other color(s) along the side.  
Was woodgrain an option on those cars?  It's been a while since 
I saw that move, but it's got one of my favorite lines in it:
  "How do you like your steak?"
  "Rare."
  "Alright, I'll wipe its ass and heard it through,
   you tear off a chunk."


> God, I must have been asleep to miss that!!!
> Wagons usually catch my eye - especially V-C's.

Must have been.  In one scene they strap the kid to the top if it and 
drive down the higway because he's never been on a roller coaster 
before.  As someone else said, maybe we're thinking of different moves.

- - Travis and the 69 olds 98 convertible aka "Tiny"
- --
Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

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From: tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 17:21:49 -0300
Subject: vacuum operated heater valve

> [The vacuum operated heater valve] uses vacuum to open it when the 
> heat is turned on.  The valve should be closed when the heat is off.  
> It may be operating in reverse.

??? boggle ???

I thought the operation was open under no vacuum and closed under
vacuum; the vacuum only being applied when the A/C is on.
Is the other operation mode valid? (vac -> open, novac -> closed)
Do they sell valves that work either way?  If they do, which cars
use which ones?

boggle, boggle, boggle...

- - Travis and the 69 olds 98 convertible aka "Tiny"
- --
Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 16:32:43 -0300
Subject: Re: vacuum operated heater valve 

>I thought the operation was open under no vacuum and closed under vacuum;

Um, not for the GM design I think we're talking about here, no.

>the vacuum only being applied when the A/C is on.

No, I doubt you'd want to be applying vacuum to try and keep the heat off.
The engine is loaded more heavily with A/C running and you may have less
vacuum under those conditions anyway; I don't think you'd want to add even
more demand for vacuum under those circumstances.

>Is the other operation mode valid? (vac -> open, novac -> closed)

That's my understanding. If anyone has a loose heater valve and a vacuum
pump, maybe they could tell us for sure...?

>Do they sell valves that work either way?

You mean where you get to choose the default mode? Not that I know of.

>If they do, which cars use which ones?

Well, I think my neighbor's old Ford Granada had a normally-open valve
like you describe. Still have it in my toolbox, in fact. (The valve,
that is, not the Granada.) (Actually the Granada probably _is_ a toolbox
by now. :-)  I'll try to dig it out tonight. 

Andrew C. Green            (312) 266-4431
Datalogics, Inc.
441 W. Huron               Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60610-3498    FAX: (312) 266-4473

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From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 17:48:04 -0300
Subject: Re: vacuum operated heater valve

On Thu, 10 Oct 1996 tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com wrote:

> I thought the operation was open under no vacuum and closed under
> vacuum; the vacuum only being applied when the A/C is on.

   That's usually true.  Figured that they'd rather have the passengers 
boil instead of freeze in the event of a failure.  Of course I've seen 
them freeze closed, so this is really a moot point.

> Do they sell valves that work either way?  

    Not that I know of.  However, some of the GM valves are just a valve 
with a vacuum pot attached by wire rod.  It could be "modified" if 
necessasary.  ;^)

    Another thing - related to the no heat-heater core - I had this on a 
'83 Delta 88, it would blow warm air for a few minutes then go cold.  Seems 
that the valve which screwed into the intake had a restrictor in it which was 
reducing the flow from a 3/4" hole down to about 5/16" or so.  Proceeded to 
yank the valve out and replace it with a non-restricted one.  Problem solved.
I *GUESS* they were more concerned with keeping the motor warm for 
emissions purposes.  DUH?

> Travis McWaters                           Transmission Products Division
> tmcwater@imtn.tpd.dsccc.com               DSC Communications Corporation

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--  
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

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From: Dave Isho <davei-2@mail.idt.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:03:01 -0300
Subject: 67 Cutlass header update and starter ?'s 

        Well, for those interested, The headers for a big block will fit the
small block in a 67 Cutlass. If you remember, nobody makes a set for the sb.
Anyway, the pipes had to be bent a little and all is well. OK so all is not
well, the problem is with the starter (it's too fat!!!!). Does anyone know
of a smaller starter that will interchange with the original. I am trying to
avoid going with the small hi-torque racing starters mainly because of cost.
Any help......

 >Dave Isho --- davei-2@mail.idt.net
     >67 Cutlass CS Convertible...up on jackstands again!!
     

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:05:33 -0300
Subject: RE: Holley Single Plane

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Its BB, in pretty good shape, was on a car for 1 season of limited use and HEI 
is no sweat.

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From: 	Chris Fair[SMTP:ChrisFair@fairisaac.com]
Sent: 	Wednesday, October 09, 1996 11:26 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Holley Single Plane


Chris,
Big block or small block, is it in good shape, what's prior usage history
and will it fit HEI?
cf




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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:05:25 -0300
Subject: RE: RPM Limit

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Cast pistons and stock rod bolts, I wouldn't go much higher than 5500rpm =
and only in short burst at that. Replacing your rod bolts will help but =
it s the old weakest link in the chain. Your pistons being cast can not =
take a lot of high rpm with out something breaking.

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From: 	Anthony Del Balso[SMTP:anthony@robots.com]
Sent: 	Wednesday, October 09, 1996 9:14 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	RPM Limit

Hi,

After installing a 350 in my 84 Cutlass, I wondered what the new rpm =
limit
should be.  I asked around, and my machine shop recommended a =
conservative
4000 rpm.  They said I could probably push 4500 w/o hurting it, but =
wouldn't
go as far as condone it.  I noticed in Mondello's catalogue, he =
recommends
a max limit of 5000rpm for engines w/ cast al pistons (like mine).  I =
didn't
upgrade anything in the lower end (my mistake, I know).  It has stock =
size
bearings (crank mic'ed to w/in factory new specs!), rebuilt oil pump, =
re-
conditioned rods, bored 020, new wrist pins & pistons.  The upper end is =
fine
for higher rpms (Mondello adjust. rocker pivots, lifters, cam, roller =
chain,
engle springs, professional valve job & assembly of heads, etc.).  I was =
told
the only limiting factor is the stock rod bolts.  They will break easily =

apparently.  The block is a 73 (or near 73).  If I decide to try and =
upgrade,
I will replace the rod & main bolts, and insert the oil restrictors.  =
But I
will probably just sell the car. Any suggestions on rpm limit w/o =
upgrading=20
anything?

anthony




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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 18:17:32 -0300
Subject: Re: 4.5" exhaust?

At 04:53 PM 10/10/96 -0300, David Johnston wrote:
>On Wed, 9 Oct 1996, Tom Lentz wrote:
>
>Yeah I went to a junk yard and electrical conduate. They had everything 
>right up until 5 inches. It is a little bit heavy but the steel walls are 
>thin so its OK. I went with the 4.5 inches because it was all they had in 
>stock at the time. 
>
>4.5 inches for pipes is a little large but I think that it is well worth 
>it. There is a healthy amount of air flow from them. Another cool thing 
>about them is that at around 1200 rpm there is some serious amount of 

I have seen many articles that show actual power and torque loss on the dyno
when going to a diameter pipe that is too big.  Mainly in Hot Rod and Car 
Craft.

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Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)  f-body list since: 5/95
88 Camaro Iroc-Z/28...daily driver I get in trouble with
81 Camaro.....................waiting for a big block chevy
75 Hurst/Olds W-25....restoration project
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30.... see it at http:// www.442.com/labay.html

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:12:33 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds on TV 

At 02:41 AM 10/10/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I've seen lots of postings for movies and TV shows, but no one has mentioned
>the opening to Grace Under Fire.  Others are better at identifying them then
>I, so what have we there?

I believe that's a Chubby.  You can see an emblem in one of the shots in the
opening sequence.
- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Cutlass Supreme  
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:11:32 -0300
Subject: Re: ARE THEY THE SAME ? 

At 03:16 PM 10/10/96 -0300, you wrote:
>>Are Olds 1969 Toro Front Side Marker Lights And Lenses The Same 
>>As 1969 Olds Cutlass S Front Side Marker Lights..??
>
>The '69 Cutlass units were simple rectangles
>with clear lenses and a 194A amber bulb, weren't they? 

Yes, they were.  Don't know if they're the same as the Toro, either.  Sorry.

- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Cutlass Supreme  
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:13:53 -0300
Subject: Re: Olds on TV 

>>I've seen lots of postings for movies and TV shows, but no one has mentioned
>>the opening to Grace Under Fire.  Others are better at identifying them then
>>I, so what have we there?
>
>I believe that's a Chubby.  You can see an emblem in one of the shots in
the opening sequence.

Just thought about that...not sure about Chubby.  Possibly Pontiac.  Not
Olds though...
- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Cutlass Supreme  
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Darren Shroeger <redhead@mailmasher.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:24:09 -0300
Subject: Re: Re: UPS man bringeth posiness! 

> Dave,
> I'm glad to hear that your rear end arrived. Did you say that UPS delivered

Uhh, I'm Darren. Twas me that had UPS deliver a rearend. Yes, they
*will* deliver anything up to 150 lb. This rear end had no axles and
no brake drums, etc. and weighed 123 lb.

Now I think I'll slap a W27 cover on it, and...
Nah, on second thought that'd be wrong for a 68.






- -Darren Shroeger 
 '68 442 / 4-speed
 '80 GP Partsrunner / 350 Oldspowered!
 <redhead@mailmasher.com> *new email address*

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From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:28:40 -0300
Subject: Re: A/C duct

Hi Richard,

At 12:26 AM 10/10/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Great, that may be it!  It's just a flat (about 1" tall) wide (about 4"
>wide) hard plastic duct that connects to the box and passes under steering
>column.  If I remember correctly, the duct goes into a rectangular shape
>after it passes under the steering column.  That is where the rectangular
>flex hose for the driver's side A/C vent connects.  The duct is maybe, oh,
>10 or 12 inches long, I can't recall exactly.  Thanks for the reply!

I didn't have to look hard or long, and I found three of them in pretty good
shape.  Get me you address and I'll send it your way (provided you're
willing to pay for the shipping costs).  While I've got half a dozen boxes
of A/C duct work open, is that the only piece you're missing?  Do you have
the (semi) flexible piece that goes between the rectangular end and the vent?


Bob
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 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
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From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:44:29 -0300
Subject: Re: ARE THEY THE SAME ?

>Are Olds 1969 Toro Front Side Marker Lights And Lenses The Same 
>As 1969 Olds Cutlass S Front Side Marker Lights..??

Is it naive to suggest that the part number on the light housing would
answer this question?  The number on a '69 Cutlass housing is 5960376.

Bob

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 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
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 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
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From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:44:30 -0300
Subject: Re: vacuum operated heater valve

>>I thought the operation was open under no vacuum and closed under vacuum;
>
>Um, not for the GM design I think we're talking about here, no.
>
>>the vacuum only being applied when the A/C is on.
>
>No, I doubt you'd want to be applying vacuum to try and keep the heat off.
>The engine is loaded more heavily with A/C running and you may have less
>vacuum under those conditions anyway; I don't think you'd want to add even
>more demand for vacuum under those circumstances.
>
>>Is the other operation mode valid? (vac -> open, novac -> closed)
>
>That's my understanding. If anyone has a loose heater valve and a vacuum
>pump, maybe they could tell us for sure...?

Funny you should say that...  I happened to have one loose and gave it a
try.  As I suspected, it is open with no vacuum and close under vacuum.  As
a previous poster stated, this was to prevent the A/C from having to
overcome a hot core.


Bob

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 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
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 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
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From: Paul Martin <paul@dtm.bc.ca>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 19:44:50 -0300
Subject: Unresolvable mail address

>From mailer-daemon Thu Oct 10 15:32:21 1996
To: paul@dtm.bc.ca
From: The Post Office <postmaster@dtm.bc.ca>
Sender: mailer-daemon@dtm.bc.ca
Subject: Unresolvable mail address
Cc: The Post Office <postoffice@dtm.bc.ca>
Message-Id: <96Oct10.154122pdt.9218@cerberus.dtm.bc.ca>
Date:Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:41:20 -0700


A copy of your message is being returned to you because one or more of
the addresses you specified could not be recognized as addresses that are
understood by, or reachable from, this system.


error: unresolvable: oldsmobile@chebucto.nc.ca

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From: Paul Martin <paul@dtm.bc.ca>
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.nc.ca
Subject: Olds In the Movies and on the screen
X-Mailer: SCO Portfolio 2.0
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 15:31:37 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID:  <9610101531.aa28591@dtm.bc.ca>

        Here is a list ,some obvious,of Oldsmobile I have sceen 
in movies or TV series,some appearances were brief.
Only White Men Can Jump                 67 Cutlass Conv Blue
Perfect World                           66 Vista Cruiser
Dirty Dancing                           63 Dynamic 88
Demolition Man                          70 442
Karate Kid II                           71/72 442 Red
King Pin                                72 Cutlass
Beverly Hills Cop II or III             68 Cutlass conv Red
On Golden Pond                          73 Delta 88
Slap Shot                               74 Olds Delta Conv
                                        64/65 Cutlass Hdtp
WW and The Dixie Dance Kings            55 Olds
Manix                                   68/69 Toro Custom
Great Balls OF FIre                     57 Starfire Conv
Charlie Sheen Movie (recent years)      71 Cutlass Conv Red
        I would be interested  in hearing of other 
references,these are the only ones I recall.
Paul Martin

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From: "rebelxs" <rebelxs@cadvision.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:05:22 -0300
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass SX Convertable for sale

want more info on car... price... options... location.... color - please
e-mail whatever info you may have
'
83 HO			PS: know the whereabouts of a 67 442 thats 4 sale?
68 442			Rebelxs@cadvision.com - Bruce
80 442
80 cutlass
68 F-85
72 Delta 88


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> From: Bill Gochenour <billg@sjuvm.stjohns.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 71 Cutlass SX Convertable for sale
> Date: Thursday, October 10, 1996 9:21 AM
> 
> My neighbors friend is looking to selling a 1971 Cutlass SX convertable, 
> w/59k original miles, he says it's the Y30 package ?. The only 
> non-factory part is the alternator. The car has a 455 cid motor / bucket 
> seats (I'm told mint) / original invoice & build sheets.
> If anyone would like more information via e-mail or if a desire is 
> expressed to view a picture I'll post one on the web site listed below. 
> This weekend I'll be checking it out in person and will be able to give 
> more on Monday.
> The reason for the sale as you can guess.......wife + new twins (in that 
> order) = no time & no money (also in that order).
> 
> -- 
>                                                      
> Bill !                                         _           _       ___  
>                                              /  |        /  |    /  _  \ 
> 1986 442 "The perfect 10"                  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
> 1983 Hurst/Olds 15 Anniversary edition   /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  / 
> 1986 Cutlass Supreme                    |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__ 
> 1993 Chevolete Lumina Z-34                    |_|         |_|   |_______|
>                                         
>           
>       Visit http://yogi-bear.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 10/4)
> 

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From: Darren Shroeger <redhead@mailmasher.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 20:32:40 -0300
Subject: JM sez: Do the Torker/850 Double Pumper 

Hello,

Well, just got off the phone with Joe M. again.

He said the Mallory Unilite conversion will not last, his own
is much better. Perhaps I'll try to return the Mallory to Jeg's
and go with the Mondello unit. Opinions?

He also suggested 20-50 Castrol GTX to break the motor in,
then synthetic after break-in is fine.

Ordered Hardened Valve Locks for $8, he also offers a $24 machined
version. $8 sounds better to me...

I have an opportunity to pick up a Torker manifold with a Holley 850 Double
Pumper for $100, may do so. Joe thought the Torker/850 DP setup would be
that much more gratifying to drive, especially if it's just a "fun car."
That'll shoot my showcar plans, but hey, all in the name of hp...

- -Darren Shroeger 
 '68 442 / 4-speed
 '80 GP Partsrunner / 350 Oldspowered!
 <redhead@mailmasher.com> *new email address*

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From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 20:41:09 -0300
Subject: Re: vacuum operated heater valve

The heater water valve on Climate Control equipped Cadillacs functions as
follows: coolant flow is blocked when vacuum is applied, which occurs
only during Max AC(recirculate mode) operation.  I believe that the Olds'
valve works the same way.

> that the valve which screwed into the intake had a restrictor in it which was
> reducing the flow from a 3/4" hole down to about 5/16" or so.  Proceeded to
> yank the valve out and replace it with a non-restricted one.  Problem solved.
> I *GUESS* they were more concerned with keeping the motor warm for
> emissions purposes.  DUH?

Actually, I read that the restrictor for coolant flow to the heater core
was to protect the core from the rush of coolant during high engine
speeds.
 
Kevin Wong

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 20:49:03 -0300
Subject: RE: JM sez: Do the Torker/850 Double Pumper

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He said the Mallory Unilite conversion will not last, his own
is much better. Perhaps I'll try to return the Mallory to Jeg's
and go with the Mondello unit. Opinions?

Why not just rebuild your own HEI and put a decent advance curve in it. that 
will save you a pile of money. Thats all that Mondello does.

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From: Anthony Del Balso <anthony@robots.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:09:44 -0300
Subject: Re:HEI Rebuild

> 
> Why not just rebuild your own HEI and put a decent advance curve in it. that 
will save you a pile of money. Thats all that Mondello does.

This brings up one of my questions.  I have a hard time w/ dieseling w/ my new
350.  There is probably excessive advance at idle (23degrees, factory spec is
20) but that seems to bring the best acceleration (have tested w/ a stopwatch).
I shut it off in gear.  I opened up the distributor to check on how the new
ACCEL cap and rotor were looking, and noticed that when I rotate the rotor to
the mechanical advanced position, it doesn't move back to the nominal position.
Now I have replaced the springs w/ lighter ones, to get the advance to come in 
sooner.  I think the whole unit needs a rebuild.  What is required wrt tools,
time, dollars, and skill??  I think I could do it in an afternoon if I knew
the procedure ahead of time.  

If this has been discussed, please email responses directly.

Thanks
anthony

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:21:04 -0300
Subject: Re: ARE THEY THE SAME ? 

At 12:02 AM 10/10/96 -0400, you wrote:
>The Question:
>Are Olds 1969 Toro Front Side Marker Lights And Lenses The Same 
>As 1969 Olds Cutlass S Front Side Marker Lights..??

Oh, no, not even close. An '89 Corolla light would probably be closer than a
'69 Toro's...

The '69 Toro marker is L-shaped, and part of the wrap-around bumper. Sorry
'bout that.

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Std. Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:21:07 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicago Meet vs. Boston Meet 

At 03:54 PM 10/10/96 -0400, you wrote:
>     
>     For the record it was a '70 442 W30 4spd not a '72 (and I thought we 
>     made a good impression ;(  

Yup, I knew that; I was counting Greg's wagon as the '72 Cutlass. Next time
we'll have more...

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Std. Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

------------------------------

From: houlster <houlster@goodnet.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:35:23 -0300
Subject: Need 83 Hurst info *urgent*

Please forgive the urgency of this message, but I have just
found an 83 Hurst/Olds for sale that I want to go look at
this weekend and I need some advice from experts.

It's a high mileage (90000) car that needs some restoration,
but it is complete.  The guy has two.  He bought this one a
few months ago as a parts car for his other but has decided
to sell thme both off.  

All the original H/O parts are there and complete.  Rear
spoiler (and winglets), hood scoop, TH200-4R, and lightning
rods.  He wasn't sure about the rear end.  I thought a posi
was and option, but he thought it was standard and has never
actually checked it to see.  No T-tops :-(

Anyways, he says the interior is in pretty good shape but
the exterior and engine needs the most work.  Tranny seems
to work fine but engine smokes.  Valve cover gaskets?  I
just replaced one on my 85 Salon.  He did say it sat for a
year until he bought it so I think that sounds reasonable.


Anyways he's asking $2700 for it.  I had originally planned
to fix my 85 up using some H/O parts if I could find them,
but what I would need is
  Rear wing
  Hood scoop
  Lightning Rods
  TH200-4R
  Posi rear end
  Suspension mods

Those by themselves would probly run me over $2000 I think
(if I could even get them all).  But hey, this is a chance
to get the real thing to restore instead.

My main questions are:

Do all 83 H/Os have the posi rearend (3.73 I think???)

What other clues should I look for to ensure I'm getting 
the real thing???


Thanks alot and please email me at 'houlster@goodnet.com'
as well as the list.  I'm subscribed at work and won't be
back before I go to look at the car.

- --Dan

------------------------------

From: "Chris Urban" <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 21:40:57 -0300
Subject: Re: Re:HEI Rebuild

Rebuild a HEI is very simple. It will come apart with simple hand tools.
just begin your disassembly at the top keeping track of how things go back
together. The weights and plate under them are simply pryed off then the
armature under that is held to the main body with 3 screws. Then press out
the rolled pin in the gear and remove the gear.Once this is removed the
shaft is pulled straight up and out through the top. Sometimes they can be
stuborn and may have to be worked back and forth. When the shaft is removed
chances are the base of the shaft will have wear marks in it. Depending if
your  shaft had much play (when it was wiggled side to side in the housing)
will decide how or if you should do something about it. I usually weld up
the the worn area and then turn it down to size on a lathe. Inspect the
rest of the pieces you have and replace anything that appears to be worn
(measure against other distributors that you may have if not sure).
Reassemble everything carefully amking sure that the weights swing freely,
you might have to buy an advance kit this way you ensure new free moving
parts and bushings. If this is intended for a performance application I
would eliminate the vacumn advance entirely at this point or get an
adjustable one. Now you must setup your advance curve starting with the
mechanical first. The best thing for this is a distributor machine, if not
then install the distributor in your car and get a timing light with a dial
back indicator. You must try to set your  curve so that the car runs as
much initial advance as possible ususally around 15-18 deg. then you must
make sure the total is not more than 36 deg and is all in by about 2000rpm.
This acn be adjusted through the tedoius process of changing weights and
springs or even welding up the slots in theplate that your weights sit on
to limit there movement ( if total is very high). Don't forget new rotor,
coil, and cap. I don't know if I've left anything out or if this is clear
as mud, but if you have questions email direct if you'd like.


Chris Urban
69 442
72 HO

- ----------
> From: Anthony Del Balso <anthony@robots.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re:HEI Rebuild
> Date: Thursday, October 10, 1996 8:09 PM
> 
> 
> > 
> > Why not just rebuild your own HEI and put a decent advance curve in it.
that will save you a pile of money. Thats all that Mondello does.
> 
> This brings up one of my questions.  I have a hard time w/ dieseling w/
my new
> 350.  There is probably excessive advance at idle (23degrees, factory
spec is
> 20) but that seems to bring the best acceleration (have tested w/ a
stopwatch).
> I shut it off in gear.  I opened up the distributor to check on how the
new
> ACCEL cap and rotor were looking, and noticed that when I rotate the
rotor to
> the mechanical advanced position, it doesn't move back to the nominal
position.
> Now I have replaced the springs w/ lighter ones, to get the advance to
come in 
> sooner.  I think the whole unit needs a rebuild.  What is required wrt
tools,
> time, dollars, and skill??  I think I could do it in an afternoon if I
knew
> the procedure ahead of time.  
> 
> If this has been discussed, please email responses directly.
> 
> Thanks
> anthony
> 
> 

------------------------------

From: OLDSPWR@aol.com
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 22:02:05 -0300
Subject: More on Rallye 350 Show... 

Every October there is an Oldsmoblie show at Englishtown Raceway in
Englishtown, New Jersey.  Along with a show, they are have two 1/4 mile
classes, small block Olds and big block Olds.  The Rallye 350 club sponsors
this show and really does a nice job.  I found about about this show in Dick
Millers newsletter a few years ago.  I was wondering in anybody on the list
was going.

Hope to see some of you there,
Tom Millard OLDSPWR@aol.com
79 Cutlass -> Street/Strip/Show 
86 442 -> Summer Driver 
79 Cutlass -> Winter Bomb

------------------------------

From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Thu, 10 Oct 1996 22:20:12 -0300
Subject: Re: A/C duct 

>I didn't have to look hard or long, and I found three of them in pretty good
>shape.  

Cool.

>Get me you address and I'll send it your way (provided you're
>willing to pay for the shipping costs).

Well, naturally, I'll pay shipping.  Let me know how you want to work it
out.  My address is:
Dave Paulison
7817 Shadowood Dr. #209
Melbourne, FL 32904

>While I've got half a dozen boxes
>of A/C duct work open, is that the only piece you're missing?  Do you have
>the (semi) flexible piece that goes between the rectangular end and the vent?

I could use that flexible piece.  The piece that I need (the one you found)
actually connects to another piece of ductwork, not the dist. box itself.  I
could use that other piece, too.  It connnects directly to the "box".  Has
three outlets.  The one where that piece you found connects (left side) is
that same flat wide shape; the two pieces kind of "click" together.  One
outlet is at the top, it goes to the center A/C vent in the dash.  It's
about 1" wide by 6" or 7" long.  The outlet on the right is the same
rectangular shape as that flexible duct we're talking about.  It goes to the
pass. side A/C vent.  The part of it that connects to the "box" is about,
oh, 3" by 5" or so.  The duct is attached to the box with two screws.
Fairly large piece of ductwork.  Mine is intact except for the two tabs with
the holes where the screws go through; they've broken off.  I've had to use
screws with large (read: really, really humongous) flat washers to hold the
piece on.  

Let me know how much $$$ you need.  I'll get it to you.

Thanks!
- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Cutlass Supreme  
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

------------------------------

From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 01:21:52 -0300
Subject: HELP HEAD GASKET PROBLEMS 

I rebuilt my 455 @.040 over in my '69 H/O engine and can't keep head 
gaskets from blowing!!!!

I'm using FEL PRO Perma Torque Blue head gaskets, they are supposed to be 
the best!

I torqued to 80lb spec. and sequence put em in dry with no other sealer 
like it says.

Anyone with ideas.  The heads and block were magnafluxed twice!! and 
machined straight.  Go to ARP Chromemoly bolts and torque to 200lbs??????? 
Use FORMA GASKET like my dad forget the head gasket?????

I had this same problem not long after I bought the car.   The engine 
just had 30 over.  It always ran HOT!!!!!!

Did the Exhaust vapor in the coolent dye, goes from blue to yellow 
right away.  

HELP!

Jeff

------------------------------

From: "Roger M. Borlase" <BORLASE@gordonc.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 02:29:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicago Meet vs. Boston Meet 

>Yup, I knew that; I was counting Greg's wagon as the '72 Cutlass. Next time
>we'll have more...

Yo Brad,

That was with the '72 Cutlass.

Roger Borlase
'72 Cutlass Cruiser
http://www.cs.gordonc.edu/~borlase/wagon.html

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 03:00:32 -0300
Subject: Re: Chicago Meet vs. Boston Meet 

At 01:29 AM 10/11/96 -0400, you wrote:
>>Yup, I knew that; I was counting Greg's wagon as the '72 Cutlass. Next time
>>we'll have more...
>
>Yo Brad,
>
>That was with the '72 Cutlass.
>
>Roger Borlase
>'72 Cutlass Cruiser

Ooops, sorry Roger; don't know what I was thinking there...

BTW, it's _BOB_, not Brad...    :)

Man, we sure can't keep cars *or* names straight up here in the Northeast,
can we?

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Std. Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

------------------------------

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time
>>we'll have more...
>
>Yo Brad,
>
>That was with the '72 Cutlass.
>
>Roger Borlase
>'72 Cutlass Cruiser

Ooops, sorry Roger; don't know what I was thinking there...

BTW, it's _BOB_, not Brad...    :)

Man, we sure can't keep cars *or* names straight up here in the Northeast,
can we?

- -----------
- - Bob Barry
- - 1969 Std. Toronado & 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX (the 455 big-block boys)
- - 1978 Electra Limited Coupe (409 Olds SMALL-block powered!)

------------------------------

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>Yup, I knew that; I was counting Greg's wagon as the '72 Cutlass. Next
time >we'll have more...

Yo Brad,

That was with the '72 Cutlass.

Roger Borlase
'72 Cutlass Cruiser
http://www.cs.gordonc.edu/~borlase/wagon.html

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>I didn't have to look hard or long, and I found three of them in pretty
good >shape.

Cool.

>Get me you address and I'll send it your way (provided you're
>willing to pay for the shipping costs).

Well, naturally, I'll pay shipping.  Let me know how you want to work it
out.  My address is:
Dave Paulison
7817 Shadowood Dr. #209
Melbourne, FL 32904

>While I've got half a dozen boxes
>of A/C duct work open, is that the only piece you're missing?  Do you have
>the (semi) flexible piece that goes between the rectangular end and the
vent?

I could use that flexible piece.  The piece that I need (the one you found)
actually connects to another piece of ductwork, not the dist. box itself.
I could use that other piece, too.  It connnects directly to the "box".
Has three outlets.  The one where that piece you found connects (left side)
is that same flat wide shape; the two pieces kind of "click" together.  One
outlet is at the top, it goes to the center A/C vent in the dash.  It's
about 1" wide by 6" or 7" long.  The outlet on the right is the same
rectangular shape as that flexible duct we're talking about.  It goes to
the pass. side A/C vent.  The part of it that connects to the "box" is
about, oh, 3" by 5" or so.  The duct is attached to the box with two
screws. Fairly large piece of ductwork.  Mine is intact except for the two
tabs with the holes where the screws go through; they've broken off.  I've
had to use screws with large (read: really, really humongous) flat washers
to hold the piece on.

Let me know how much $$$ you need.  I'll get it to you.

Thanks!
- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

------------------------------

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The heater water valve on Climate Control equipped Cadillacs functions as
follows: coolant flow is blocked when vacuum is applied, which occurs
only during Max AC(recirculate mode) operation.  I believe that the Olds'
valve works the same way.

> that the valve which screwed into the intake had a restrictor in it which
was > reducing the flow from a 3/4" hole down to about 5/16" or so.
Proceeded to > yank the valve out and replace it with a non-restricted one.
Problem solved.
> I *GUESS* they were more concerned with keeping the motor warm for
> emissions purposes.  DUH?

Actually, I read that the restrictor for coolant flow to the heater core
was to protect the core from the rush of coolant during high engine
speeds.

Kevin Wong

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Hi Richard,

At 12:26 AM 10/10/96 -0300, you wrote:
>Great, that may be it!  It's just a flat (about 1" tall) wide (about 4"
>wide) hard plastic duct that connects to the box and passes under steering
>column.  If I remember correctly, the duct goes into a rectangular shape
>after it passes under the steering column.  That is where the rectangular
>flex hose for the driver's side A/C vent connects.  The duct is maybe, oh,
>10 or 12 inches long, I can't recall exactly.  Thanks for the reply!

I didn't have to look hard or long, and I found three of them in pretty
good shape.  Get me you address and I'll send it your way (provided you're
willing to pay for the shipping costs).  While I've got half a dozen boxes
of A/C duct work open, is that the only piece you're missing?  Do you have
the (semi) flexible piece that goes between the rectangular end and the
vent?


Bob
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He said the Mallory Unilite conversion will not last, his own
is much better. Perhaps I'll try to return the Mallory to Jeg's
and go with the Mondello unit. Opinions?

Why not just rebuild your own HEI and put a decent advance curve in it.
that will save you a pile of money. Thats all that Mondello does.

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At 02:41 AM 10/10/96 -0300, you wrote:
>I've seen lots of postings for movies and TV shows, but no one has
mentioned >the opening to Grace Under Fire.  Others are better at
identifying them then >I, so what have we there?

I believe that's a Chubby.  You can see an emblem in one of the shots in
the opening sequence.
- --
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Cast pistons and stock rod bolts, I wouldn't go much higher than 5500rpm =
and only in short burst at that. Replacing your rod bolts will help but =
it s the old weakest link in the chain. Your pistons being cast can not =
take a lot of high rpm with out something breaking.

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From:  Anthony Del Balso[SMTP:anthony@robots.com]
Sent:  Wednesday, October 09, 1996 9:14 PM
To:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:  RPM Limit

Hi,

After installing a 350 in my 84 Cutlass, I wondered what the new rpm =
limit
should be.  I asked around, and my machine shop recommended a =
conservative
4000 rpm.  They said I could probably push 4500 w/o hurting it, but =
wouldn't
go as far as condone it.  I noticed in Mondello's catalogue, he =
recommends
a max limit of 5000rpm for engines w/ cast al pistons (like mine).  I =
didn't
upgrade anything in the lower end (my mistake, I know).  It has stock =
size
bearings (crank mic'ed to w/in factory new specs!), rebuilt oil pump, =
re-
conditioned rods, bored 020, new wrist pins & pistons.  The upper end is =
fine
for higher rpms (Mondello adjust. rocker pivots, lifters, cam, roller =
chain,
engle springs, professional valve job & assembly of heads, etc.).  I was =
told
the only limiting factor is the stock rod bolts.  They will break easily =

apparently.  The block is a 73 (or near 73).  If I decide to try and =
upgrade,
I will replace the rod & main bolts, and insert the oil restrictors.  =
But I
will probably just sell the car. Any suggestions on rpm limit w/o =
upgrading=20
anything?

anthony




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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 05:35:00 -0300
Subject: NON-DELIVERY of: Re:HEI Rebuild 

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>
> Why not just rebuild your own HEI and put a decent advance curve in it.
that will save you a pile of money. Thats all that Mondello does.

This brings up one of my questions.  I have a hard time w/ dieseling w/ my
new 350.  There is probably excessive advance at idle (23degrees, factory
spec is 20) but that seems to bring the best acceleration (have tested w/ a
stopwatch). I shut it off in gear.  I opened up the distributor to check on
how the new ACCEL cap and rotor were looking, and noticed that when I
rotate the rotor to the mechanical advanced position, it doesn't move back
to the nominal position. Now I have replaced the springs w/ lighter ones,
to get the advance to come in sooner.  I think the whole unit needs a
rebuild.  What is required wrt tools, time, dollars, and skill??  I think I
could do it in an afternoon if I knew the procedure ahead of time.

If this has been discussed, please email responses directly.

Thanks
anthony

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From: Lotus_Mail_Exchange_at_GDLS@136.180.1.1.gdls.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 05:38:00 -0300
Subject: NON-DELIVERY of: 67 Cutlass header update and starter ?'s 

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        Well, for those interested, The headers for a big block will fit
the small block in a 67 Cutlass. If you remember, nobody makes a set for
the sb. Anyway, the pipes had to be bent a little and all is well. OK so
all is not well, the problem is with the starter (it's too fat!!!!). Does
anyone know of a smaller starter that will interchange with the original. I
am trying to avoid going with the small hi-torque racing starters mainly
because of cost. Any help......

 >Dave Isho --- davei-2@mail.idt.net
     >67 Cutlass CS Convertible...up on jackstands again!!

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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 05:36:00 -0300
Subject: NON-DELIVERY of: Re: ARE THEY THE SAME ? 

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>Are Olds 1969 Toro Front Side Marker Lights And Lenses The Same
>As 1969 Olds Cutlass S Front Side Marker Lights..??

Is it naive to suggest that the part number on the light housing would
answer this question?  The number on a '69 Cutlass housing is 5960376.

Bob

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From: Lotus_Mail_Exchange_at_GDLS@136.180.1.1.gdls.com
Date: Fri, 11 Oct 1996 05:36:00 -0300
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        Here is a list ,some obvious,of Oldsmobile I have sceen
in movies or TV series,some appearances were brief.
Only White Men Can Jump                 67 Cutlass Conv Blue
Perfect World                           66 Vista Cruiser
Dirty Dancing                           63 Dynamic 88
Demolition Man                          70 442
Karate Kid II                           71/72 442 Red
King Pin                                72 Cutlass
Beverly Hills Cop II or III             68 Cutlass conv Red
On Golden Pond                          73 Delta 88
Slap Shot                               74 Olds Delta Conv
                                        64/65 Cutlass Hdtp
WW and The Dixie Dance Kings            55 Olds
Manix                                   68/69 Toro Custom
Great Balls OF FIre                     57 Starfire Conv
Charlie Sheen Movie (recent years)      71 Cutlass Conv Red
        I would be interested  in hearing of other
references,these are the only ones I recall.
Paul Martin

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Subject: NON-DELIVERY of: JM sez: Do the Torker/850 Double Pumper 

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Hello,

Well, just got off the phone with Joe M. again.

He said the Mallory Unilite conversion will not last, his own
is much better. Perhaps I'll try to return the Mallory to Jeg's
and go with the Mondello unit. Opinions?

He also suggested 20-50 Castrol GTX to break the motor in,
then synthetic after break-in is fine.

Ordered Hardened Valve Locks for $8, he also offers a $24 machined
version. $8 sounds better to me...

I have an opportunity to pick up a Torker manifold with a Holley 850 Double
Pumper for $100, may do so. Joe thought the Torker/850 DP setup would be
that much more gratifying to drive, especially if it's just a "fun car."
That'll shoot my showcar plans, but hey, all in the name of hp...

- -Darren Shroeger
 '68 442 / 4-speed
 '80 GP Partsrunner / 350 Oldspowered!
 <redhead@mailmasher.com> *new email address*

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