
oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, February 1 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4761



lapping new valves (not Olds)
Re: carbon removal
KE Pulley - More...
Interior Metal Painting - More
Re: KE Pulley - More...
Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?
Re: carbon removal
Re: lapping new valves (not Olds)
Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350
UNBOUNCE: Parting Out '68 Delta
'68 Cutlass in Commercial
UNBOUNCE: Cutlass 1966 (fwd)
UNBOUNCE: '98 Regency
Re: UNBOUNCE: Cutlass 1966 (fwd)
Re: Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350
Re: Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350
Re: Interior Metal Painting - More
Re: carbon removal
Re: Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350
RE: UNBOUNCE: Cutlass 1966 (fwd)
Re: Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350
lockup tranny, 2 vs 4 wire?
EGR and timing, merits or lack thereof....
Re: carbon removal
Re: '76 Cutlass Supreme Rear bumper needed
Tool-wire hub caps
Spark Plug Wire lengths
Re: Tool-wire hub caps
Found that elusive 455 block, killed it too
1966 Cs 4dr makes great parts car. 

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:42:09 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: lapping new valves (not Olds)

My bro is attempting a refresh on a Briggs 5hp snow blower motor. He wants
to know if he can lap a new set of valves in without machining the block.

drc

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 11:45:29 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: carbon removal

When cleaning my RM 250 head and jug I use carburetor cleaner and  a wire
brush, Never had to clean the piston because i went new.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 11:36 AM
Subject: carbon removal


> Is there any magic solvent that'll take carbon off aluminum heads and
> pistons? My motorcycle service manual says scrape with a wooden tool...
>
> drc
>
>

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:29:49 -0500
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: KE Pulley - More...

"Hey Paul and list,

 Are all three grooves "attached", is there about a 1/4 space between
the first two grooves.....

The General"

No space, but there is a 1/4" thick rib between the first two
grooves......

Paul Tumolo
1970 442
OCA # 31967

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:32:09 -0500
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Interior Metal Painting - More

SEM paint in rattle cans is the best in terms of color match and
adhesion. Use their primer too.

Only sold at auto body supply stores or Eastwood....

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:07:38 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: KE Pulley - More...

Hey Paul,

        OK .............   I have one of those ...
I said "space" forgetting how ambiguous that is ...
The term "rib" is far better. Me thinks that it is from
a later car - maybe even a 403 or a 307.

The General


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
To: "Oldsmobile-Digest" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:29 PM
Subject: KE Pulley - More...


> "Hey Paul and list,
> 
>  Are all three grooves "attached", is there about a 1/4 space between
> the first two grooves.....
> 
> The General"
> 
> No space, but there is a 1/4" thick rib between the first two
> grooves......
> 
> Paul Tumolo
> 1970 442
> OCA # 31967
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 13:20:50 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?

At 12:42 PM 01/29/2004 -0500, Fred wrote:
>> That may be so, but I'm wondering if the 8/6/4, even running on all 8
>> cylinders, might not be competing for worst power-per-displacement ratio.
>> disp fuel horsepower torque compres bore x stroke
>> ------- ----- ---------- ---------- ------- -------------
>> 8 - 368 4 bbl 150 @ 3800 265 @ 1600  8.2:1  3.800 x 4.060
>> 8 - 368 FI 145 @ 3600 270 @ 2000 8.2:1 3.800 x 4.060
>
>----------------------
>
>These figures are a bit misleading.  The torque peak was at a very low rpm
>and the curve was very wide.  The 368 was Cadillac's version of an Olds 260
>or 307.  No race engine, but smooth and durable.  I have seen these in limos
>with 300,000 + miles on just regular maintenance and a timing chain.

I wonder though, looking at the other engines' 1980 figures

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/king-v/engine_specs/gm1980.html

The Chevy and Olds 350 engines still seemed to do better.  I don't have the
Buick 350 figures, but I believe it was comparable.

I don't hvae torque/power curve charts though, so I may be doing an
apples-to-oranges thing here.


>
>> and not to mention competing with the late-400 Olds V8 for worst case of
>> undersquaring.
>
>-------------
>
>Yes, but Olds (stupidly IMO to save $$ by having only one crank in
>production) marketed the late 400 as a performance engine.  The late 400
>worked fine in Vista Cruisers with the tall axle and 442's with the 2 barrel
>turnpike cruising delete option.  It was a turkey in the regular 442 as a
>performance engine.  Cadillac never pretended the 368 was a high performance
>engine.

Quite true, and I'm in agreement with you here.  However, I wonder if
Cadillac's R&D went the wrong way about this.... trying to create something
the technology of the time wasn't capable of.  However, note that the
stroke of the 368 is the same as that of the 425 as well as the 472.  I
figure same bulky and heavy block, same crank.  Even in the full-sized
cars, this thing is a tight fit!

I would say that this was laziness, but the whole 8/6/4 thing must've been
a very major effort on their part.  I'm just wondering whether or not they
would've saved themselves a lot of time and headache by chopping the deck
height, then going with a new crank having a shorter stroke, and maybe
researching a better cam-profile design.

Of course, I'm looking at all this with my perfect, 20/20 hindsight from
over 20 years after the fact.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

PS: By the way, in case it sounds like it, I don't actually mean to be
argumentative.  I really find it interesting looking into why/how certain
decisions were made, etc.

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:10:39 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: carbon removal

Hoppes Nitro Power Solvent #9, for cleaning firearms. Carbon is carbon.
It'll work. Also, TYME carburetor cleaner will work well. You'll have to
apply it with a brush and let it soak for awhile.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:36 AM
Subject: carbon removal


> Is there any magic solvent that'll take carbon off aluminum heads and
> pistons? My motorcycle service manual says scrape with a wooden tool...
>
> drc
>
>

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 12:13:21 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: lapping new valves (not Olds)

Yes, if the valve seats aren't warped. He'll have to take a pass with the
compound once and see if the pattern is even. If not, valve grinding with a
machine will be needed.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 9:42 AM
Subject: lapping new valves (not Olds)


> My bro is attempting a refresh on a Briggs 5hp snow blower motor. He wants
> to know if he can lap a new set of valves in without machining the block.
>
> drc
>
>

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 14:20:41 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350

Hi list,

Can You tell me what the horsepower on the 1974 350 rocket motor is? It was
a motor I bought from the bone yard and mildly rebuilt with a  comp cam,
wiend intake, holley 750 dual pumper.......I'm only interested in stock HP
and Torque.
I want to rebuild it the right way this spring. I've gathered a lot of info
here, Chris Witt, Milton and others to name a few.
The engine I bought out of '74 Cutlass Supreme about 14 yrs. ago. Thats when
I did the minor mods on it too. It had 78k on it. I probably put 20k since
then.

Thanks for any info.
Pat Swanton.

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:56:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Parting Out '68 Delta

Not on the list, respond to Wjeepster67@aol.com if interested.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:   Wjeepster67@aol.com
Subject: olds parts

I'm currently parting out a 1968 Delta 88 4dr-Sedan, no engine or trans.  
Interior, body parts, glass etc. if any one is interested, they can contact me 
via e-mail and we can go from there.
thanks for any assistance regarding this 
Greg

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:55:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: '68 Cutlass in Commercial

I'm watching the Phoenix Open golf tournament on ABC right now and they
just aired an ad for Macgregor Golf's "M455" irons. Aside from the name of
the club, the ad featured golfer Aaron Baddeley (the endorser) driving up
to a guy on a golf course in a nice scarlet '68 Cutlass convertible. Even
nicer were the 3 lovely ladies in the car with him...

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:02:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Cutlass 1966 (fwd)

Not on the list, respond to fabianplatas@hotmail.com if you can assist. 
This message is in Spanish; can anyone translate? 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Fabian Platas <fabianplatas@hotmail.com>
Subject: Cutlass 1966

Hello, i need information for a Old's Cutlass Supreme 1966 cupe.
The information is only in english and i dont speak this idiom.
Im restoration my car in Peru and i need parts and catalogs in spanish please .

Hola, soy propietario de un Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 1966 de dos
puertas.  A mi Cutlass lo estoy restaurande desde cero, ya que lo he
desarmado pieza por pieza, dejando el chassis completamente desarmado y la
carroceria tambien.  La carroceria en general esta intacta no faltan
muchas piezas, solo un par de emblemas, ya que conserva hasta los
tapizados y alfombras originales.  Identificar el modelo fue muy
complicado y aun tengo mis dudas ya que posee las siguientes
caracteristicas. 

<DIV>- Aire acondicionado</DIV>
<DIV>- Direccion hidraulica</DIV>
<DIV>- Asiento del piloto electrico</DIV>
<DIV>- Asientos delanteros individuales </DIV>
<DIV>- Antena electrica (hubicada en la parte posterior del auto)</DIV>
<DIV>- Levanta vidrios electricos en las cuatro plazas</DIV>
<DIV>- Caja automatica con palanca al piso</DIV>
<DIV>- Consola de la palanca de cambios cromada</DIV>

Por lo que veo este vehiculo es posiblemente ;HARDTOP pero no logro
averiguarlo.  El grave problema es que yo compre el auto con un motor
Chevy Malibu de 1975 de 6 cl en linea, ya que su motor V8 original lo
quemaron y tiraron a la basura perdiendo todo rastro de el.  Me encuentro
de&nbsp;vacaciones en los Estados Unidos, especificamente en Hollywood,
Fortlauderdale, Florida y desearia que me brinden informacion sobre mi
vehiculo.  El otro problema es el idioma ya que es muy dificil tratar de
trabajar con los terminos en ingles y espanol, ya que varian demasiado. 

Les agradeceria cualquier tipo de respuesta
Desde ya muy agradecido

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:03:13 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '98 Regency

Not on the list, respond to bdsjem10@webtv.net if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Subject: '98 Regency

Is there anyone out there who can tell me how many 1998 Regency's were
produced and where VIN # 1G3HC52K84855083 falls within that production?
Thanks

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:30:26 -0500
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Cutlass 1966 (fwd)

Here is my best shot at it...had to look up a couple automotive-related
words.
>From what I figure out is that he wants to know whether a 66 Supreme 2dr
existed....but IIRC, they only made em in 4dr in those years?????

Hello, I am the owner of a 66 Cutlass Supreme 2dr. I am restoring my Cutlass
from the ground up, I have already disassembled it piece by piece, leaving
the chassis and body completely disassembled. The body in general is intact,
not missing many pieces, only a few emblems, and I have saved the upholstry
and original carpet. To identify the model was very complicated and even I
have my doubts since it has the following characteristics:

Air conditioning
Power steering
Power driver's seat
Bucket seats
Power antenna (located in the rear of the car)
Power windows
Floor shift automatic
Console
For it which I see this vehicle is possibly a hardtop but I am not able to
find out. The big problem is that I bought the car with a 75 Malibu straight
6 in it, because the original V8 blew up and they threw it out. I am looking
forward to a vacation to the US, specifically, Hollywood, Fort Lauderdale,
and I would like that you all offer me information over my vehicle. The
other problem is that the language is very difficult to work with on
computers with English and Spanish, and it crashes too much.
I would be thankful to you if somebody would respond.

- ----- Original Message -----
>
> Hello, i need information for a Old's Cutlass Supreme 1966 cupe.
> The information is only in english and i dont speak this idiom.
> Im restoration my car in Peru and i need parts and catalogs in spanish
please .
>
> Hola, soy propietario de un Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 1966 de dos
> puertas.  A mi Cutlass lo estoy restaurande desde cero, ya que lo he
> desarmado pieza por pieza, dejando el chassis completamente desarmado y la
> carroceria tambien.  La carroceria en general esta intacta no faltan
> muchas piezas, solo un par de emblemas, ya que conserva hasta los
> tapizados y alfombras originales.  Identificar el modelo fue muy
> complicado y aun tengo mis dudas ya que posee las siguientes
> caracteristicas.

>
> <DIV>- Aire acondicionado</DIV>
> <DIV>- Direccion hidraulica</DIV>
> <DIV>- Asiento del piloto electrico</DIV>
> <DIV>- Asientos delanteros individuales </DIV>
> <DIV>- Antena electrica (hubicada en la parte posterior del auto)</DIV>
> <DIV>- Levanta vidrios electricos en las cuatro plazas</DIV>
> <DIV>- Caja automatica con palanca al piso</DIV>
> <DIV>- Consola de la palanca de cambios cromada</DIV>
>
> Por lo que veo este vehiculo es posiblemente ;HARDTOP pero no logro
> averiguarlo.  El grave problema es que yo compre el auto con un motor
> Chevy Malibu de 1975 de 6 cl en linea, ya que su motor V8 original lo
> quemaron y tiraron a la basura perdiendo todo rastro de el.  Me encuentro
> de&nbsp;vacaciones en los Estados Unidos, especificamente en Hollywood,
> Fortlauderdale, Florida y desearia que me brinden informacion sobre mi
> vehiculo.  El otro problema es el idioma ya que es muy dificil tratar de
> trabajar con los terminos en ingles y espanol, ya que varian demasiado.
>
> Les agradeceria cualquier tipo de respuesta
> Desde ya muy agradecido
>

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 17:29:47 -0500
From: "Roc88ket" <roc88ket@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350

My books list a 180 and a 200 HP engine. I can't tell if compression ratio
was the difference or 2 - 4 BBL carb.

John Sanders

'53 88
'01 Aurora 4.0


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:20 PM
Subject: Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350


> Hi list,
>
> Can You tell me what the horsepower on the 1974 350 rocket motor is? It
was
> a motor I bought from the bone yard and mildly rebuilt with a  comp cam,
> wiend intake, holley 750 dual pumper.......I'm only interested in stock HP
> and Torque.
> I want to rebuild it the right way this spring. I've gathered a lot of
info
> here, Chris Witt, Milton and others to name a few.
> The engine I bought out of '74 Cutlass Supreme about 14 yrs. ago. Thats
when
> I did the minor mods on it too. It had 78k on it. I probably put 20k since
> then.
>
> Thanks for any info.
> Pat Swanton.
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:08:03 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350

Thanks John.

Now I have an Idea of what I am starting with.
Pat Swanton.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Roc88ket" <roc88ket@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:29 PM
Subject: Re: Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350


> My books list a 180 and a 200 HP engine. I can't tell if compression ratio
> was the difference or 2 - 4 BBL carb.
>
> John Sanders
>
> '53 88
> '01 Aurora 4.0
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:20 PM
> Subject: Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350
>
>
> > Hi list,
> >
> > Can You tell me what the horsepower on the 1974 350 rocket motor is? It
> was
> > a motor I bought from the bone yard and mildly rebuilt with a  comp cam,
> > wiend intake, holley 750 dual pumper.......I'm only interested in stock
HP
> > and Torque.
> > I want to rebuild it the right way this spring. I've gathered a lot of
> info
> > here, Chris Witt, Milton and others to name a few.
> > The engine I bought out of '74 Cutlass Supreme about 14 yrs. ago. Thats
> when
> > I did the minor mods on it too. It had 78k on it. I probably put 20k
since
> > then.
> >
> > Thanks for any info.
> > Pat Swanton.
> >
> >
>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:57:26 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Interior Metal Painting - More

  use there cleaner/prep after washing parts with dawn dish soap then prime and paint
  works great
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
  To: "Oldsmobile-Digest" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 12:32 PM
  Subject: Interior Metal Painting - More


  > SEM paint in rattle cans is the best in terms of color match and
  > adhesion. Use their primer too.
  > 
  > Only sold at auto body supply stores or Eastwood....
  > 
  > Paul Tumolo
  > 1970 442 Hardtop
  > OCA # 31967
  > 
  > 
  > 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 18:01:08 -0600
From: "jbschuren" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: carbon removal

seafoam?


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 10:36 AM
Subject: carbon removal


> Is there any magic solvent that'll take carbon off aluminum heads and
> pistons? My motorcycle service manual says scrape with a wooden tool...
> 
> drc
> 

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:09:31 -0500
From: "Roc88ket" <roc88ket@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350

Meant to mention that I don't have torque listings.

My friend who has a '75 Caprice with a 350/2BBL recently experienced a
tremendous gain in performance by plugging the EGR vacuum hose and removing
the cats on his dual exhaust. Since the car is now more than 25 years old,
there are no annual inspections in NJ.  If you want power this is an easy
gain but I'm sure you thought of that already.


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350


> Thanks John.
>
> Now I have an Idea of what I am starting with.
> Pat Swanton.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roc88ket" <roc88ket@comcast.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 5:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350
>
>
> > My books list a 180 and a 200 HP engine. I can't tell if compression
ratio
> > was the difference or 2 - 4 BBL carb.
> >
> > John Sanders
> >
> > '53 88
> > '01 Aurora 4.0
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:20 PM
> > Subject: Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350
> >
> >
> > > Hi list,
> > >
> > > Can You tell me what the horsepower on the 1974 350 rocket motor is?
It
> > was
> > > a motor I bought from the bone yard and mildly rebuilt with a  comp
cam,
> > > wiend intake, holley 750 dual pumper.......I'm only interested in
stock
> HP
> > > and Torque.
> > > I want to rebuild it the right way this spring. I've gathered a lot of
> > info
> > > here, Chris Witt, Milton and others to name a few.
> > > The engine I bought out of '74 Cutlass Supreme about 14 yrs. ago.
Thats
> > when
> > > I did the minor mods on it too. It had 78k on it. I probably put 20k
> since
> > > then.
> > >
> > > Thanks for any info.
> > > Pat Swanton.
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:56:31 -0500
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: UNBOUNCE: Cutlass 1966 (fwd)

Funny, I had just mentioned this earlier:  '66 was the first year for the
Cutlass Supreme, and it was available only as a 4-dr hardtop!

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '99 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Chris Carson
> Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2004 4:30 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Cutlass 1966 (fwd)
>
>
> Here is my best shot at it...had to look up a couple automotive-related
> words.
> From what I figure out is that he wants to know whether a 66 Supreme 2dr
> existed....but IIRC, they only made em in 4dr in those years?????
>
> Hello, I am the owner of a 66 Cutlass Supreme 2dr. I am restoring
> my Cutlass
> from the ground up, I have already disassembled it piece by piece, leaving
> the chassis and body completely disassembled. The body in general
> is intact,
> not missing many pieces, only a few emblems, and I have saved the
> upholstry
> and original carpet. To identify the model was very complicated and even I
> have my doubts since it has the following characteristics:
>
> Air conditioning
> Power steering
> Power driver's seat
> Bucket seats
> Power antenna (located in the rear of the car)
> Power windows
> Floor shift automatic
> Console
> For it which I see this vehicle is possibly a hardtop but I am not able to
> find out. The big problem is that I bought the car with a 75
> Malibu straight
> 6 in it, because the original V8 blew up and they threw it out. I
> am looking
> forward to a vacation to the US, specifically, Hollywood, Fort Lauderdale,
> and I would like that you all offer me information over my vehicle. The
> other problem is that the language is very difficult to work with on
> computers with English and Spanish, and it crashes too much.
> I would be thankful to you if somebody would respond.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > Hello, i need information for a Old's Cutlass Supreme 1966 cupe.
> > The information is only in english and i dont speak this idiom.
> > Im restoration my car in Peru and i need parts and catalogs in spanish
> please .
> >
> > Hola, soy propietario de un Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 1966 de dos
> > puertas.  A mi Cutlass lo estoy restaurande desde cero, ya que lo he
> > desarmado pieza por pieza, dejando el chassis completamente
> desarmado y la
> > carroceria tambien.  La carroceria en general esta intacta no faltan
> > muchas piezas, solo un par de emblemas, ya que conserva hasta los
> > tapizados y alfombras originales.  Identificar el modelo fue muy
> > complicado y aun tengo mis dudas ya que posee las siguientes
> > caracteristicas.
>
> >
> > <DIV>- Aire acondicionado</DIV>
> > <DIV>- Direccion hidraulica</DIV>
> > <DIV>- Asiento del piloto electrico</DIV>
> > <DIV>- Asientos delanteros individuales </DIV>
> > <DIV>- Antena electrica (hubicada en la parte posterior del auto)</DIV>
> > <DIV>- Levanta vidrios electricos en las cuatro plazas</DIV>
> > <DIV>- Caja automatica con palanca al piso</DIV>
> > <DIV>- Consola de la palanca de cambios cromada</DIV>
> >
> > Por lo que veo este vehiculo es posiblemente ;HARDTOP pero no logro
> > averiguarlo.  El grave problema es que yo compre el auto con un motor
> > Chevy Malibu de 1975 de 6 cl en linea, ya que su motor V8 original lo
> > quemaron y tiraron a la basura perdiendo todo rastro de el.  Me
> encuentro
> > de&nbsp;vacaciones en los Estados Unidos, especificamente en Hollywood,
> > Fortlauderdale, Florida y desearia que me brinden informacion sobre mi
> > vehiculo.  El otro problema es el idioma ya que es muy dificil tratar de
> > trabajar con los terminos en ingles y espanol, ya que varian demasiado.
> >
> > Les agradeceria cualquier tipo de respuesta
> > Desde ya muy agradecido
> >
>
>

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:23:59 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Stock HP and Torque Olds. '74 350

At 02:20 PM 01/31/2004 -0500, Pat wrote:
>Hi list,
>
>Can You tell me what the horsepower on the 1974 350 rocket motor is? It was
>a motor I bought from the bone yard and mildly rebuilt with a  comp cam,
>wiend intake, holley 750 dual pumper.......I'm only interested in stock HP
>and Torque.

According to the info I have, only a 4-bbl was available, and they were all
officially 8.5:1 compression.  HP and Torque numbers are SAE net...

VIN
CODE	EXHAUST	    HP		  TORQUE	
- ----	-------	----------	----------
?	single		160 @ 3800  	275 @ 2800
K	single		180 @ 3800 	275 @ 2800
M	 dual		200 @ 4200 	300 @ 3200


I think the first entry might be erroneous, it seems to sort of more match
up the 1975 and 1976 numbers (with catalyst).  I suspect that it's a
typical Chilton's mixup.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:26:47 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: lockup tranny, 2 vs 4 wire?

All,

	Was digging through some books at yon local auto parts store that I work
at part-time these days, and came across something interesting for the GM
rear drive trannys.

	I note a reference to a 4-wire tranny with lockup, which exists in 1981
and later if I recall right.

	But I also noted a 2-wire lockup, and for each of the transmissions
available, shows that a 2-wire trans with lockup was available in 1979
through 1981.

	I didn't realize that there were any lockup transmissions available for GM
prior to 1981 . . . presumably the 1979 and 1980 are pre-computer.

	So how does the system work?


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:33:50 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: EGR and timing, merits or lack thereof....

All,

	Okay, going back on what I recall being told at various points, the
purpose of the EGR valve is to lower combustion chamber temperatures, thus
reducing the formation of nitrogen oxides.  At least, if I recall
correctly.  Kinda confused me a little because I always figured exhaust
gases to be almost as hot as what's going on in the combustion chamber.
But I guess it *does* work as the theory describes....

	So, I realize that the introduction of exhaust gases means that you're
bringing in more non-combustible gases.  Maybe this is what's making things
cooler.

	BUT . . ok, you've got this extra stuff that basically reduces the
percentage of combustible gases in the chamber, thus you get less power.
But the cooler temperatures involved because of this allow you to use more
aggressive timing, correct?


	If I've gotten all my assumptions and recollections straight so far.....
then I have a question:  If emissions weren't a consideration, then does
the use of EGR + extra spark timing advance make up for, or exceed, what a
pre-EGR with less-advanced timing can do for you?

	Then further, does the use of the more aggressive timing in an
EGR-equipped car cause other issues, either emissions-wise or
performance-wise?


	Thanks in advance....

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:29:23 -0800
From: geo.aigel@netzero.net
Subject: Re: carbon removal

Use the carb dip cleaner that you can get in a 1 gallon or half gallon 
bucket. Dip the entire piston etc. in there over night. There will not even 
be a need for scrubbig. I cleaned 8 pistons this way on a rering I did last 
year. You can also clean bolts, hardware and other engine parts...

Cheers,

George

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 23:34:59 -0500 (EST)
From: John Nasta <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: Re: '76 Cutlass Supreme Rear bumper needed

these are the closest ones. Seems like 77 is an interchange:

1976
Rear Bumper
Oldsmobile Cutlass/Supreme STRIP ONLY, NO GUARDS, SEE NOTES   GR0254 $250 GM Auto Parts USA-NE (Lincoln) 1-800-535-4787 
 

Rear Bumper
Oldsmobile Cutlass/Supreme 256676      256676 $Call East West Auto Parts, Inc. USA-OK (Tulsa) 1-800-447-2886 
 

Rear Bumper
Oldsmobile Cutlass/Supreme 257777      257777 $Call East West Auto Parts, Inc. USA-OK (Tulsa) 1-800-447-2886 

1977
Rear Bumper
Oldsmobile Cutlass/Supreme Cpe-      5540 $Call Mills Auto Parts USA-IN (Ft.-Wayne) 1-800-295-5833 

1977
Rear Bumper
Oldsmobile Cutlass/Supreme WSHOCKS-DULL CHROME-LOCAL ONLY   NOF $Call Kramer's Auto Parts USA-NE (Grand-Island) 1-800-652-9304 


- ---- oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca wrote:
> Ran into a guy at lunch today looking for a very clean rear bumper for a
> 76 Cutlass Supreme Brougham.
> He is in the Chicagoland area.  Any leads, please forward them to me and
> I will pass along.  Not looking to make anything on this myself, just
> trying to hook up a fellow enthusiast.
> 
> Thanks and have a great weekend!
> -Rick
> 72 Cutlass Supreme Conv't
> 72 Cutlass Supreme
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:29:33 -0800 (PST)
From: William Grumblatt Jr <wgrumblatt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Tool-wire hub caps

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Does anyone know if the tool to remove wire hub caps are all the same or do they differ from year to year or from model to model ? I have one for my 87 custom wagon and I found a cutlas broughn at the pick-a-part yard with 14" wire hub caps. seached the car and couldnt find the tool. Thinking they would look good on the 67 delta 88. It wasnt the local yard so I really didnt want to drive out there if the tool I have won't work. just don't have time to spare for a dead run. Did find just about everything I needed for the 87 wagon should have it running in another week or two.
 
I took the 350 out of the wagon and put the 307 in, can I use the starter from the 350 on the 307. With what I got at the yard today the starters the last part I need, if I need one.
 
Bill G
67 Delta 88 Custom
87 Custom Wagon 

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<DIV>Does anyone know if the tool to remove wire hub caps are all the same or do they differ from year to year or from model to model ? I have one for my 87 custom wagon and I found a cutlas broughn at the pick-a-part yard with 14" wire hub caps. seached the car and couldnt find the tool. Thinking they would look good on the 67 delta 88. It wasnt the local yard so I really didnt want to drive out there if the tool&nbsp;I have won't work. just don't have time to spare for a dead run. Did find just about everything I needed for the 87 wagon should have it running in another week or two.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I took the 350 out of the wagon and put the 307 in, can I use the starter from the 350 on the 307. With what I got at the yard today the starters the last part I need, if I need one.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Bill G</DIV>
<DIV>67 Delta 88 Custom</DIV>
<DIV>87 Custom Wagon </DIV>
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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 20:08:03 -1000
From: "Christopher Brown" <Olds-Supreme72@hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: Spark Plug Wire lengths

Hello List,

I  was wondering if there was a reference that cited the correct lengths for
each of the spark plug wires.  It seams that most wires, both custom and
non- custom replacements are WAY too long.  I'm looking at getting a new set
of 8mm and want to cut them so they fit.

Thanks,

Chris Brown
72 Cutlass Supreme
350/350

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 21:58:38 -0800 (PST)
From: Frank Fellman <frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Tool-wire hub caps

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Bill, I'll go have a look in my shop-- pretty sure I still have 
one of those from our '83 Delta (which we no longer have).
 
    Back in a few...               Phantom455
==========================================

William Grumblatt Jr <wgrumblatt@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Does anyone know if the tool to remove wire hub caps are all the same or do they differ from year to year or from model to model ? I have one for my 87 custom wagon and I found a cutlas broughn at the pick-a-part yard with 14" wire hub caps. seached the car and couldnt find the tool. Thinking they would look good on the 67 delta 88. It wasnt the local yard so I really didnt want to drive out there if the tool I have won't work. 

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<DIV>Bill, I'll go have a look in my shop-- pretty sure I still have </DIV>
<DIV>one of those from our '83 Delta (which we no longer have).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Back in a few...&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phantom455</DIV>
<DIV>==========================================<BR><BR><B><I>William Grumblatt Jr &lt;wgrumblatt@sbcglobal.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV>Does anyone know if the tool to remove wire hub caps are all the same or do they differ from year to year or from model to model ? I have one for my 87 custom wagon and I found a cutlas broughn at the pick-a-part yard with 14" wire hub caps. seached the car and couldnt find the tool. Thinking they would look good on the 67 delta 88. It wasnt the local yard so I really didnt want to drive out there if the tool&nbsp;I have won't work. </DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:05:53 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Found that elusive 455 block, killed it too

So, I am out at the ranch yesterday... figure I might as well take the 
snowblower into town in case it snows more this year. Block blocks access to 
it. Move block over, it's a crusty thing, pistons badly stuck, crank was 
extracted by torching the rods. No main caps.

Snowblower's tarp disintegrated about 2 yrs ago. Weather got to motor, motor 
no turn, no point in taking that to town I guess.

Mitaswell move that crusty 455 block to the scrap pile, cast iron's $135 a 
ton now, real high.

Get her up the house, start removing the dowel pins, in case someone needs 
'em someday. This is done of course by chiseling off the boss near the dowel 
pin, which allows normal Vice Grips to remove the pins w/o damage. Get 
timing cover pins broke out, and head alignment pins, flip her over to do 
the bellhouse pins, THEN I notice the apparent reason I saved this pc of 
scrap.

"F1" on the rear face.
The elusive "F1" "High Nickel" content block [another bullshirt rumor, if ya 
ask me, anyhow]

Oh well. Too late now, out comes the bellhouse dowels too.
It was a crusty one anyhow.

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Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 10:16:43 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 1966 Cs 4dr makes great parts car. 

From: geo.aigel@netzero.net
Subject: 66 C/S trunklid 4 door - convertible interchange? Tranny in 66???

I have the chance to pick up a 66 CS 4 door parts car. Besides the 330 w/
#3 heads there isn't much.
============
That's quite a bit of good stuff
sign me up for the Jetaway's Torque Converter if you don't need it.
Kickdown switch and wiring
Taillight wiring
Front end wiring


The trunklid is in decent shape. Does the 4 door
lid fit the convertible like it does in the later years? How much do they
generally go for, for a 66? That would be a big ticket item that would help
me make the decision if I should get this car or not.
==============
Cannot help ya there just yet, maybe parts manual will tell.
Say, I bought a granny's 4dr 66 Cutlass a while back, badly crashed in the 
front, PO removed engine and trans, but it donated numerous parts to the 
frame off 1966 442 restoration currently bogged down... and its saving 
grace? It came with a 10-bolt 3.08 Posi.
  SO, ck that car's rear for the little tag.

Real stupid question. Could you get a C/S with a th400 in 66? What did they
come with standard? I didn't pay attention to see if it had D-2-1 or D-1 on
the right scale of the indicator...
George
==========
Pretty sure the Jetaway was your only trans choice.
- -----------------------
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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