
oldsmobile-digest      Monday, January 19 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4747



'53 fenders
Re: engine hoist
oh my God I hate brakes
UNBOUNCE: Need '68 Cutlass parts
UNBOUNCE: Need Olds contact in Fla.
Re: '53 fenders
Re: oh my God I hate brakes
What We New Englanders Will Put Up With To Get Another Engine ;o)
Non FI 371 comes to life AGAIN!
Re: oh my God I hate brakes
Re: 455 Fuel Injection?
new MC Re: oh my God I hate brakes
Re: new MC Re: oh my God I hate brakes
Re: Re: 455 Fuel Injection?
RE: Question from clueless eBay Member [for the amusement of the email list]
455 Fuel Injection idea..
Re: 455 Fuel Injection idea..
Re: 455 Fuel Injection?
Re: new MC Re: oh my God I hate brakes
Re: oh my God I hate brakes
Re: 455 Fuel Injection idea..
Re: oh my God I hate brakes
Re: fan clutch 81CS
70 442 conv in movie
Re: fan clutch 81CS
Re: 70 442 conv in movie
Re: 70 442 conv in movie
77 Supreme for sale
FWD: 1986 olds cutlass supreme 2 dr. cpe.

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:55:01 -0500
From: "Roc88ket" <roc88ket@comcast.net>
Subject: '53 fenders

Anyone out there have any idea if the front fenders are the same on a 2-door
98 as a 2-door 88? How about 4 dorr 98 or 88?

John Sanders
'53 88
'01 Aurora 4.0

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:12:15 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: engine hoist

At 07:45 PM 1/18/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Joe,
>   The one I have (was given for free by the way) can be found at 
>excaliburtool.com It is model #H308SS3C. It is capable of handeling a
>455 with no problem. It lifts rolls ets. Check it out

That's the one that Joe Vitek has, that he carried in the rear of his
Expditure when he brought his old 403 from NH down to Keith in NY today.
Works fine, looks good, seemed strong. It's about the same as the one I got
from the gypsy merchants, http://www.homier.com  Rated at 4000 lbs with the
arm fully retracted, believe it's 1500 with the arm all the way out.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 19:12:35 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: oh my God I hate brakes

Trying to get the 1977 PC rolling.  Replaced front calipers with 1984 Delta
88 issues - only difference apparently is a 10mm bleed screw instead of a
7/16 bleed screw, but...is there a possibility that these two parts DON'T
interchange?  I ask because I found out that the rotors LOOK like they'll
interchange but definitely DON'T - the spindle on the '77 is smaller in
diameter than the spindle on the '84 (tried to mount '84 rotors on '77
spindles and they wobbled).  Calipiers looked good though so I kept that
part of the mix...the difference on the rotors is obviously metric vs
standard...who knows the details?

I now have good manual bleed action on all four corners, and with the car
at rest and the bleed screws closed I pump the brake pedal and get the
expected hardness after 2 pumps.  However, as soon as I turn the car on,
the pedal (foot still on it) travels all the way to the floor, and that's
the only place the brakes work, too...your foots on the floor and you let
it up just a little bit and that car is moving.

Good vacuum at booster (pulled line off booster and yes, there's
vacuum)...there is a SLIGHT leak at the base of the connection between the
MC and the booster, but I DON'T UNDERSTAND how that can be causing this
problem...

So we got '77 rotors with '84 calipers (these were new 1.5 years ago,
that's why I chose them over the calipers that were on there) on the front
with good bleed action, good hardware on back with good bleed action, good
vacuum, small leak at MC/booster, and obscenely bad pedal travel.  This
from a car that was braking "ok" before I put it up on ramps for rear end
swap a couple of months ago - what to make of this?
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Brian Ammons 	
b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:13:55 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Need '68 Cutlass parts

Not on the list, respond to randym@cybertrails.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:   "randy murph" <randym@cybertrails.com>
Subject: 68 cutlass supreme

Hi:
 My name is randy, and my son is restoring a 68 olds cutlass supreme. We =
are needing a few parts, such as a throttle cable, a wiper motor, and a =
couple of radiator core support mounts. I am wondering if you could =
direct us to these parts, and possibly to a site with wiring diagrams, =
and maybe even a site that would have a exploded view of the different =
body parts (as they should be assembled). Any help would be appreciated. =
Thanks.

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 22:14:54 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Need Olds contact in Fla.

Not on the list, respond to Kpacker@prodigy.net if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: KEN A PACKER <Kpacker@prodigy.net>

I wanted to just say hello and ask a question of you if I may.
I am in California, my Mom in Florida.  My Mom will be moving back
here within two weeks.  She has a beautiful Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
that she has been the original owner of and kept in excellent condition.

We are wanting to find a good buyer for it before she moves, preferably
this next week as my sister will be there for these two weeks to help.  
I am wondering and hoping to find the best way to announce or post 
that the car is available to someone who may surely want it for their 
collection.  We are told that in a few years the car will become 
quite valuable.

This car is unique and special.  It is burnt orange and white in color,
only 72,000-73,000 miles and a special T-top.  Many people have been 
admiring and complimenting the car all these years.  Someone in Florida 
recommended Olds Clubs, that they are throughout the country (including
right there in Florida) but did not know who to contact.

I do believe that a collector would love this car and/or someone who
will love the look, feel and color (perhaps an avid University of Texas 
alumnus, for the colors are perfect).  Across the network of Olds Clubs, 
etc., would you be able to recommend or suggest something(s) that 
will help?  We would appreciate it.

Thank you very much.

Best Regards,
Ken
Kpacker@prodigy.net

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Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 21:16:05 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: '53 fenders

> Anyone out there have any idea if the front fenders are the same on a
2-door
> 98 as a 2-door 88? How about 4 dorr 98 or 88?

The front clip ought to be the same (aside from model specific trim
differences) across all 88 and 98 models in '53.  The extra length of the 98
was in the rear.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 00:18:16 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
Subject: Re: oh my God I hate brakes

At 07:12 PM 1/18/04 -0600, you wrote:
>So we got '77 rotors with '84 calipers (these were new 1.5 years ago,
>that's why I chose them over the calipers that were on there) on the front
>with good bleed action, good hardware on back with good bleed action, good
>vacuum, small leak at MC/booster, and obscenely bad pedal travel.  This
>from a car that was braking "ok" before I put it up on ramps for rear end
>swap a couple of months ago - what to make of this?

Ooooh, oooh, I know this one! :)

GM went to low-drag calipers in '80 or '81, which retracts the caliper 
piston more than the older design. To compensate for the extra travel, they 
went to a "quick take-up" master cylinder design, which pumped a lot of 
fluid initially to take up that extra caliper travel.

You either need to swap to the newer MC, or the older caliper design. FWIW, 
the only difference in the design is the angle that the caliper boot 
receiver groove is machined, which causes it to pull the caliper back 
further and reduce drag (for fuel-efficiency).

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 05:32:31 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: What We New Englanders Will Put Up With To Get Another Engine ;o)

This's what I spent a cupla hours of my day doing:
http://members.dandy.net/~k0xp/Oldsmobile/Delivery_Of_Keiths_403.htm

Sorta ties in neatly with the recent discussion of engine hoists and
stands, eh :o) That hoist in the pix is, I happened to notice, an Excalibur
brand. As I mentioned earlier, it looked pretty stout and there was no
problem lifting that 403 outta the SUV. Actually, Joe had the 403 sitting
on a pallet with a portion of a plank cut out to let the oil pan drop into
the pallet. The hoist had to lift the engine maybe 3 inches to get the
weight off the SUV's springs and we actually didn't have any extra
lift-room. The hoist just barely lifted the engine's weight off the pallet,
which we then grabbed and held while Joe went back up front, put the truck
in neutral and released the brakes, letting it roll forward enough to get
the pallet out of the back. Then the pallet fell to the ground and PRESTO:
an Olds 403 hanging by its neck, waiting to be put to bed on Keith's engine
stand  ;o)  Keith Miller is one of the guys on the Olds G-body reflector
(as is Joe, although Joe has recently been found here, too).

There were never any creaking or groaning noises heard from either the
hoist or engine stand  ;o)

SteveH

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 01:27:51 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: Non FI 371 comes to life AGAIN!

Hello
The 58 371 came to life today fer the second time.

http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1075005395134_0118_001.jpg

Thanks to Jim Zito, the CARB in the REAR is his :)

Yes 3 inch tall KN filters are on order,got a hole saw fer the hood :O
Wonder if they will fit......ah lift up the hood a bit....LOL.
Yes the heater hose is off, I took this pic last night before filling her. VIA the thermo houseing this a.m.
Started her with no Thermostat in her,no burping air problems.
I was 180 degrees out this time.
Lets try droppin in the dis again.
Some issues with the dis vac. tube and oil filler spout on dis to manifold clearance but not a problem.
Me and buddy need to buy better lights :O
She is missing and its late tonight, i dont see a bad plug,wire?
Rearranged wires and will buy new set o plugs tomorra.
It was raining as per usual so will take her for a spin tomorrow prolly.
Good luck!
Drive safe!
Randy H.
Van.B.C.Can.



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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 04:51:44 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: oh my God I hate brakes

> >So we got '77 rotors with '84 calipers (these were new 1.5 years ago,
> >that's why I chose them over the calipers that were on there) on the
front
>, and obscenely bad pedal travel.  This
> >from a car that was braking "ok" before I put it up on ramps for rear end
> >swap a couple of months ago - what to make of this?
>
> Ooooh, oooh, I know this one! :)
>
> GM went to low-drag calipers in '80 or '81, which retracts the caliper
> piston more than the older design. To compensate for the extra travel,
they
> went to a "quick take-up" master cylinder design, which pumped a lot of
> fluid initially to take up that extra caliper travel.
>
> You either need to swap to the newer MC, or the older caliper design.

- -------------------

Bob is 100% correct here.  The low drag calipers are not compatible with the
'77 master cylinder.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:19:59 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 455 Fuel Injection?

> Find a Torker manifold and install injector
> bungs in it, build a fuel rail
> wire and plumb fuel.

You forget the part about needing a milling machine and some aluminum
welding capability. Machine shops around here get $80/hr. Prepping an Olds
intake for port injection isn't gonna be cheap unless you're a machinist.
I'm gonna do throttle body.

> To me, setting up the high-pressure fuel system with
> return is the stickiest part. I want an in-tank fuel pump...

How come? Why not run an inline pump and filter along the frame rail?

drc

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 07:18:06 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: new MC Re: oh my God I hate brakes

OK, so low drag calipers on front are my problem.  Unfortunate but OK.
Thanks for the warning, and the confirmation.

I just happen to have the MC & booster assembly from the '84.  This is the
one with the plastic reservoir...any problems with putting this on the '77
(besides it not being correct - but the 455s not going to be correct
either...)?  Nothing stupid like metric threads on the '84 MC instead of
the standards on the '77?



At 04:51 AM 01/19/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>> >So we got '77 rotors with '84 calipers (these were new 1.5 years ago,
>> >that's why I chose them over the calipers that were on there) on the
>front
>>, and obscenely bad pedal travel.  This
>> >from a car that was braking "ok" before I put it up on ramps for rear end
>> >swap a couple of months ago - what to make of this?
>>
>> Ooooh, oooh, I know this one! :)
>>
>> GM went to low-drag calipers in '80 or '81, which retracts the caliper
>> piston more than the older design. To compensate for the extra travel,
>they
>> went to a "quick take-up" master cylinder design, which pumped a lot of
>> fluid initially to take up that extra caliper travel.
>>
>> You either need to swap to the newer MC, or the older caliper design.
>
>-------------------
>
>Bob is 100% correct here.  The low drag calipers are not compatible with the
>'77 master cylinder.
>
>Regards,
>Fred
>

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----- 
Brian Ammons 	
b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
reallywildstuff@yahoo.com
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ------ 

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 09:18:01 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: new MC Re: oh my God I hate brakes

> I just happen to have the MC & booster assembly from the '84.  This is the
> one with the plastic reservoir...any problems with putting this on the '77
> (besides it not being correct - but the 455s not going to be correct
> either...)?  Nothing stupid like metric threads on the '84 MC instead of
> the standards on the '77?

- ---------------

Check.  I would not be at all surprised if the '77 had  english flare nuts
on the lines while the '84 was metric.  One thing that has always annoyed me
about the late '70's and early '80's cars was the mix of english and metric
fasteners.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:34:50 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Re: 455 Fuel Injection?

The MegaSquirt is just a controller, as is the SDS unit (the SDS also 
does ignition in addition to fuel control). That's all you get, the ECU 
(in kit form for the MegaSquirt.)
_You_ source the intake, injectors, fuel rail sensors, and fuel system, 
whether junkyard parts or new stuff from the auto parts store or 
dealer. That means that it's whatever you make it. TBI or port 
injection, your choice. People are running the MegaSquirt, for example, 
on both TBI and port-injected applications, on everything from 
motorcycles to supercharged big-block Chevys. There's a few Oldses 
either done or in progress, as well. Mine's one of the "in progress" 
ones. :) Once I have it EFI'd, I plan on adding turbos (probably after 
an engine change to a more boost-friendly compression ration.) The 
MegaSquirt will handle this with just some retuning.

krw.
On Jan 18, 2004, at 6:49 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:19:37 -0800
> From: Greg Tjosvold <tjosvold@polar7.com>
> Subject: Re: 455 Fuel Injection?
>
>> That's pretty and all, but those guys are perpetuating the myth that 
>> EFI
>> is expensive voodoo.
>> If you have some electronics assembly skill, buy a MegaSquirt kit and
>> build it (http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html), or buy an SDS EFI
>> (http://www.sdsefi.com/). Find a Torker manifold and install injector
>> bungs in it, build a fuel rail (http://www.sdsefi.com/techrail.htm), 
>> wire
>> and plumb fuel. Tuning is the fun part.
>
> Is the difference between these two set ups the difference between TBI 
> and
> Port injection? A friend asked if the "you build it" system was 
> technically
> throttle body injection... supposedly not as good as port injection? 
> It's
> all greek to me at this point... although I understand the circuit
> diagrams, so I'm excited by the possibility of building my own.
>
> Thoughts anyone?
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX

krwright@sbcgloabl.net
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:51:02 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Question from clueless eBay Member [for the amusement of the email list]

>Subject: RE: Question from clueless eBay Member [for the amusement of the 
>email list]

Chris, without some context (not to mention some indication about who is 
speaking to whom in each of those snippets of email), it's kind of hard to 
tell what the two of you are arguing about here. Can you give us a little 
background as to what's going on? And if he is indeed ripping people off (I 
trust your knowledge of Olds stuff, of course), then tell us who he is so we 
know who to avoid.

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 06:51:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian LeFain <slefain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: 455 Fuel Injection idea..

Go snag the EFI setup off a Ford 460 (the big vans and
trucks came with this setup). Ditch the manifold, weld
up your manifold for the injector bungs, get a Spyder
EFI throttle body elbow, and find a place to route all
the wires. Should supply plenty of fuel and all the
guesswork has been sorted out by Ford. Of course,
you'll need O2 sensors and a different fuel system.
Just an idea....

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:49:57 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 455 Fuel Injection idea..

At 06:51 AM 1/19/04 -0800, you wrote:
>Go snag the EFI setup off a Ford 460 (the big vans and
>trucks came with this setup). Ditch the manifold, weld
>up your manifold for the injector bungs, get a Spyder
>EFI throttle body elbow, and find a place to route all
>the wires. Should supply plenty of fuel and all the
>guesswork has been sorted out by Ford. Of course,
>you'll need O2 sensors and a different fuel system.

That works, of course, because the Ford 460 throttle-body is basically a 
two-venturi throttle-body with a 90º elbow and a standard 4bbl mounting 
pattern at the base.

Don't any Olds intakes, factory or aftermarket, come with bosses on the 
intake runners?

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:47:05 -0500
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: 455 Fuel Injection?

I definatedly would love to see your results. Please post when you get 
it finished. I was looking at the Megasquirt myself, but my soldering 
skills are not the greatest. Is it really that hard to assemble the ECU? 
I have only soldered a cheap ass am radio together back in high school 
before. I know I can do the rest, the ecu assembly is the only thing 
that would make me think twice...

paulbunyan

krwright@sbcglobal.net wrote:

> The MegaSquirt is just a controller, as is the SDS unit (the SDS also 
> does ignition in addition to fuel control). That's all you get, the 
> ECU (in kit form for the MegaSquirt.)
> _You_ source the intake, injectors, fuel rail sensors, and fuel 
> system, whether junkyard parts or new stuff from the auto parts store 
> or dealer. That means that it's whatever you make it. TBI or port 
> injection, your choice. People are running the MegaSquirt, for 
> example, on both TBI and port-injected applications, on everything 
> from motorcycles to supercharged big-block Chevys. There's a few 
> Oldses either done or in progress, as well. Mine's one of the "in 
> progress" ones. :) Once I have it EFI'd, I plan on adding turbos 
> (probably after an engine change to a more boost-friendly compression 
> ration.) The MegaSquirt will handle this with just some retuning.
>
> krw.
> On Jan 18, 2004, at 6:49 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:
>
>> Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 14:19:37 -0800
>> From: Greg Tjosvold <tjosvold@polar7.com>
>> Subject: Re: 455 Fuel Injection?
>>
>>> That's pretty and all, but those guys are perpetuating the myth that 
>>> EFI
>>> is expensive voodoo.
>>> If you have some electronics assembly skill, buy a MegaSquirt kit and
>>> build it (http://www.bgsoflex.com/megasquirt.html), or buy an SDS EFI
>>> (http://www.sdsefi.com/). Find a Torker manifold and install injector
>>> bungs in it, build a fuel rail (http://www.sdsefi.com/techrail.htm), 
>>> wire
>>> and plumb fuel. Tuning is the fun part.
>>
>>
>> Is the difference between these two set ups the difference between 
>> TBI and
>> Port injection? A friend asked if the "you build it" system was 
>> technically
>> throttle body injection... supposedly not as good as port injection? 
>> It's
>> all greek to me at this point... although I understand the circuit
>> diagrams, so I'm excited by the possibility of building my own.
>>
>> Thoughts anyone?
>
> On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...
>
> Kevin Wright
> Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX
>
> krwright@sbcgloabl.net
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/70Olds.html
>
> '71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/71_cutlass.html
>
> Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a 
> W-31! And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
> ...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll 
> be parts if someone doesn't buy it!
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 10:56:31 -0600
From: "Brian Ammons" <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: new MC Re: oh my God I hate brakes

Fred -

Your knowledge of this era continues to impress and astound me...Is there
any other problem with using the '84 calipers (besides the "low drag" issue,
which will be completely resolved by swapping to the newer style MC,
right?)?

In addition to the '84 calipers (which again, I'm only trying to use because
I know they function properly) I also used the '84 brake pads...


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: new MC Re: oh my God I hate brakes


> > I just happen to have the MC & booster assembly from the '84.  This is
the
> > one with the plastic reservoir...any problems with putting this on the
'77
> > (besides it not being correct - but the 455s not going to be correct
> > either...)?  Nothing stupid like metric threads on the '84 MC instead of
> > the standards on the '77?
>
> ---------------
>
> Check.  I would not be at all surprised if the '77 had  english flare nuts
> on the lines while the '84 was metric.  One thing that has always annoyed
me
> about the late '70's and early '80's cars was the mix of english and
metric
> fasteners.
>
> Regards,
> Fred
>
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 17:01:16 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: oh my God I hate brakes

> but...is there a possibility that these two parts DON'T
> interchange?

My catalog says '77 only interchanges with '78.  '84 is are different numbers.

Paul

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:10:46 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 455 Fuel Injection idea..

At Monday, 19 January 2004, you wrote:
>Don't any Olds intakes, factory or aftermarket, come with 
>bosses on the intake runners?

Neither the A4 nor A5, nor the cast-iron #16, did, as can be seen here:
http://members.dandy.net/~k0xp/Oldsmobile/OldsSBIntMani.htm

Keep in mind those are only small-block manifolds and only the later 
ones. But I'm sure earlier manifolds didn't have bosses, either. 
Nor would big-block manifolds  ;o(((((

You know.... an automotive machine shop can mill intakes. And I wouldn't 
doubt some might have some sorta adapter or machine that can drill.
I bet you could find an automotive shop that could mill, drill and 
tap injector bosses into at least aluminum manifolds without having 
to go to a regular, expensive machine shop.

SteveH



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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:16:24 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: oh my God I hate brakes

My '78 cutlass supremes brakes are only interchangeable with '79....'77 has
a different spindle dia. and '80 has a different spindle dia. '78 - '79 are
the only two years that rotors an spindles will fit........
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <62oldsfan@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: oh my God I hate brakes


> > but...is there a possibility that these two parts DON'T
> > interchange?
>
> My catalog says '77 only interchanges with '78.  '84 is are different
numbers.
>
> Paul
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:47:21 -0300
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS

Ron, what do you mean by application? It is for the 1981 cutlass Supreme,
AC, AT, 260ci. The temperatures down here are high, never frost, in the day
over 30 celsius 9 months a year....your price is good for a HD clutch, i
take it...!
rgds
> matt
>  hit me privatly with the aplication for the clutch fan. if you want i can
get you a 4 seasons after market .
> i can ship with other parts.
> i will sell it to you for what it cost me.
> new 4 seasons hd cooling $50.00 it is the  thermastatic type
> money is not a problem if you want me to cover it for now
> let me know
> ron
> > All that is nice, but... the price of a HD clutch is so high! 70 to 90
usd,
> > and it can blow or stop working in less than 1 year....
> > BTW, nice shop! Once I saw a shop with electrical motors and shoes on
the
> > same window, shoes for ladies they were!
> > Matt
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >    matt if you can not find a clutch fan assy. there
> > >    a ford 302 clutch fans use same dia hub and bolt spaceing as the
olds
> > 350 so i would say it's the
> > > same on a 260
> > >   i found out they fit when my brand new  a/c delco clutch fan blew
apart
> > on a road trip to iowa.
> > > what fun it was useing parts from other manufactures  cars to get the
car
> > out of some small a$$ town
> > > in p.a. off rt 33
> > >   knew i was in trouble whe sign read,
> > >   auto repairs,used parts,  tackle and bate, also carry amunition.
> > >   as soon as i found a larger town with auto parts store and dealer
ship,
> > replaced rad,shroud and
> > > fan,with clutch hub. and hood  from local bone yard.
> > >   ron
> > >
> > >
> >

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 11:20:43 -0800 (PST)
From: jayandcindy@webtv.net (Jay and Cindy Bognar)
Subject: 70 442 conv in movie

Anybody see a movie called Black Cat Run?  Starts with a kid who races a
70 442 conv. with W30 stripes and  a 69 H/O hood.  Don't have time to
see the rest.  Anyone know the car or know if there is more of it seen
in the movie?
Jay B
72 CS 455
95 Aurora

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 19:43:30 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS

i will order it today and ship with dist. by wends
ron
> Ron, what do you mean by application? It is for the 1981 cutlass Supreme,
> AC, AT, 260ci. The temperatures down here are high, never frost, in the day
> over 30 celsius 9 months a year....your price is good for a HD clutch, i
> take it...!
> rgds
> > matt
> >  hit me privatly with the aplication for the clutch fan. if you want i can
> get you a 4 seasons after market .
> > i can ship with other parts.
> > i will sell it to you for what it cost me.
> > new 4 seasons hd cooling $50.00 it is the  thermastatic type
> > money is not a problem if you want me to cover it for now
> > let me know
> > ron
> > > All that is nice, but... the price of a HD clutch is so high! 70 to 90
> usd,
> > > and it can blow or stop working in less than 1 year....
> > > BTW, nice shop! Once I saw a shop with electrical motors and shoes on
> the
> > > same window, shoes for ladies they were!
> > > Matt
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >    matt if you can not find a clutch fan assy. there
> > > >    a ford 302 clutch fans use same dia hub and bolt spaceing as the
> olds
> > > 350 so i would say it's the
> > > > same on a 260
> > > >   i found out they fit when my brand new  a/c delco clutch fan blew
> apart
> > > on a road trip to iowa.
> > > > what fun it was useing parts from other manufactures  cars to get the
> car
> > > out of some small a$$ town
> > > > in p.a. off rt 33
> > > >   knew i was in trouble whe sign read,
> > > >   auto repairs,used parts,  tackle and bate, also carry amunition.
> > > >   as soon as i found a larger town with auto parts store and dealer
> ship,
> > > replaced rad,shroud and
> > > > fan,with clutch hub. and hood  from local bone yard.
> > > >   ron
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> 

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 14:52:00 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: 70 442 conv in movie

Good movie, I have it on tape. Jake Busey, son of Gary, plays in it too. the
villian is Peter Greene better known in the Mask with Jim Carrey. The movie
finishes to the end with Greene racing with a '70 chevelle and Patrick
Muldoon racing the 442.
There isn't any fake stunts in it. Good for a bucket of pop corn and a
couple of beers. My son loves it!
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay and Cindy Bognar" <jayandcindy@webtv.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:20 PM
Subject: 70 442 conv in movie


> Anybody see a movie called Black Cat Run?  Starts with a kid who races a
> 70 442 conv. with W30 stripes and  a 69 H/O hood.  Don't have time to
> see the rest.  Anyone know the car or know if there is more of it seen
> in the movie?
> Jay B
> 72 CS 455
> 95 Aurora
>
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 15:22:42 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: 70 442 conv in movie

Check out Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry. Peter Fonda races across the west in a
"69 yellow charger, oh yeah its got a wise little blonde # in the passenger
seat.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jay and Cindy Bognar" <jayandcindy@webtv.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, January 19, 2004 2:20 PM
Subject: 70 442 conv in movie


> Anybody see a movie called Black Cat Run?  Starts with a kid who races a
> 70 442 conv. with W30 stripes and  a 69 H/O hood.  Don't have time to
> see the rest.  Anyone know the car or know if there is more of it seen
> in the movie?
> Jay B
> 72 CS 455
> 95 Aurora
>
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:46:22 EST
From: ArchwayOldsClub@aol.com
Subject: 77 Supreme for sale

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Please respond directly to the address at the bottom of the listing. I posted 
this for someone else who is not on the list.

I am in California, my Mom is in Florida.  In alittle less than 2 weeks 
she will be moving back home to here.  Just recently, she is no longer
driving.  She has a wonderful Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme 1977
that she has kept in excellent condition that we would like to find
a good buyer for.  We are not sure of the best possible way.

We felt that there perhaps is a collector who will love it -- we were told
that in a few years the car will become quite valuable.  It is quite unique
and special.  Everywhere it goes, people admire it and compliment it.
Actually, we have never seen another one quite like this one.

It is burnt orange and white in color with a very nice T-top -- it looks like
the day she brought it home.  It has 72,000-73,000 miles.  We also 
thought that perhaps in some area like Austin (University of Texas 
country), that there would most likely be an avid alumnus (exact colors) 
who would rightfully go crazy for this car.

Thank you very much.

Best Regards,
Ken
Kpacker@prodigy.net

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Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 23:45:51 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: FWD: 1986 olds cutlass supreme 2 dr. cpe.

>From a guy on the Oldsperformance Yahooey reflector; contact HIM, not me, at
kev819_01053@yahoo.com  A bit more info: the tranny is a TH200C, not 200-4R.

SteveH
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>Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004 08:55:35 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: Re: [oldsperformance] 1986 olds cutlass supreme 2 dr. cpe.
..........

>--- Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net> wrote:
>> At 12:45 AM 1/19/2004 -0000, you wrote:
>>>reverse went on car. Must sell $150 firm. All happened in a 
>>>year. catalytic converter, leak from above gas tank. Don't 
>>>have money for repairs. 101,700 original miles 307c.i. Car 
>>>made in Canada vin starting with 2. Have pics. Hate to see 
>>>it go to the bone yard. Strong frame and excellent chrome 
>>>bumpers. contact kev819_01053@yahoo.com
>> 
>>So, where is it????
>> 
>Car is located in Holyoke, Massachusetts. I still
>drive it daily, but it is due by the end of month for
>reinspection. Have to get rid of by the end of month.
>I have the Title.

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