
oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, January 11 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4740



Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE
Burping a new motor/371
Re: Providence? WAS more brake fun
Re: oil change instructions
Re: Engine hoists..... rated weight?
Arizona Show
Re: oil change instrutions
Re: Engine hoists..... rated weight?
Re: Arizona Show
Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE
Re: Providence? WAS more brake fun
Re: Arizona Show
funny buttt true
reminder to be cautious with email scammers
Re: reminder to be cautious with email scammers
Re: Arizona Show
Re: Arizona Show
Re: funny buttt true

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:31:48 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE

Sorry Ron, every single one of my Olds engines uses the 1/2' square drive.
Remember, all my stuff is '64 - '69.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 2:50 PM
Subject: Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE


>
>   do i have to be more specific and mention the year range
>   LOL.
>   you  got me milt.
>   ron
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
>   To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>   Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 1:59 PM
>   Subject: Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE
>
>
>   > My drain plugs take a 1/2" drive ratchet.
>   >
>   > Milton Schick
>   > 1964 442 Cutlass
>   > imp@theriver.com
>   >
>   >
>   > ----- Original Message -----
>   > From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
>   > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>   > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:06 AM
>   > Subject: Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE
>   >
>   >
>   > >
>   > >   must have been wrote by a chevy owner, we use 7/8 drain plugs
>   > >   ron
>   > >   ----- Original Message -----
>   > >   From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
>   > >   To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>   > >   Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 9:29 AM
>   > >   Subject: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >   > Oil change instructions for women ....
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 1.    Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles
since
>   > the
>   > >   > last oil
>   > >   >        change.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 2.    Drink a cup of coffee.  15 minutes later, write a check
and
>   > leave with
>   > >   > a properly maintained vehicle.
>   > >   >
>   > >   >
>   > >   > Money spent Oil Change $24.00 Coffee $1.00 Total $25.00
>   > >   >
>   > >   >
>   > >   > ===============================
>   > >   >
>   > >   > Oil Change instructions for Men
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 1.    Wait until Saturday, drive to auto parts store and buy a
case of
>   > oil,
>   > >   > filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner and a scented tree, write a
check
>   > for
>   > >   > $50.00.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 2.    Stop by 7 - 11 and buy a case of beer, write a check for
$20.00,
>   > drive
>   > >   > home.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 3.    Open a beer and drink it.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 4.    Jack car up.  Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 5.    Find jack stands under kid's pedal car.  In frustration,
open
>   > another
>   > >   > beer and drink it.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 6.    Place drain pan under engine.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 7.    Look for 9/16 box end wrench.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 8.    Give up and use crescent wrench.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 9.    Unscrew drain plug.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 10.    Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil: splash hot oil on you
in
>   > process.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 11.    Cuss.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 12.    Crawl out from under car to wipe hot oil off of face and
arms.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 13.    Throw kitty litter on spilled oil.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 14.    Have another beer while watching oil drain.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 15.    Spend 30 minutes looking for oil filter wrench .
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 16.    Give up; crawl under car and hammer a screwdriver through
oil
>   > filter
>   > >   > and twist off.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 17.    Crawl out from under car with dripping oil filter
splashing oil
>   > >   > everywhere from holes.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 18.    Cleverly hide old oil filter among trash in trash can to
avoid
>   > >   > environmental
>   > >   > penalties.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 19.    Drink a beer.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 20.    Buddy shows up; finish case of beer with him.  Decide to
finish
>   > oil
>   > >   > change tomorrow so you can go see his new garage door opener.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 21.    Sunday: Skip church because "I gotta finish the oil
change."
>   > Drag pan
>   > >   > full of old oil out from underneath car.  Cleverly dump oil in
hole in
>   > back
>   > >   > yard instead of taking it back to Kragen to recycle.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 22.    Throw kitty litter on oil spilled during step 18.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 23.    Beer?  No, drank it all yesterday.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 24.    Walk to 7-11; buy beer.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 25.    Install new oil filter making sure to apply a thin coat
of oil
>   > to
>   > >   > gasket surface.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 26.    Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 27.    Remember drain plug from step 10.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 28.    Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 29.    Remember that the used oil is buried in a hole in the
back
>   > yard,
>   > >   > along with drain plug.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 30.    Drink beer.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 31.    Shovel out hole and sift oily mud for drain plug.
Re-shovel
>   > oily
>   > >   > dirt into hole.  Steal sand from kids sandbox to cleverly cover
oily
>   > patch
>   > >   > of ground and avoid environmental penalties.  Wash drain plug in
>   > lawnmower
>   > >   > gas.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 32.    Discover that first quart of fresh oil is now on the
floor.
>   > Throw
>   > >   > kitty litter on oil spill.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 33.    Drink beer.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 34.    Crawl under car getting kitty litter into eyes.  Wipe
eyes with
>   > oily
>   > >   > rag used to clean drain plug.  Slip with stupid crescent wrench
>   > tightening
>   > >   > drain plug and bang knuckles on frame.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 35.    Bang head on floorboards in reaction to step 34.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 36.    Begin cussing fit.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 37.    Throw stupid crescent wrench.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 38.    Cuss for additional 10 minutes because wrench hit Miss
December
>   > >   > (1992).
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 39.    Beer.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 40.    Clean up hands and forehead and bandage as required to
stop
>   > blood
>   > >   > flow.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 41.    Beer.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 42.    Beer.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 43.    Dump in five fresh quarts of oil.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 44.    Beer.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 45.    Lower car from jack stands.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 46.    Accidentally crush remaining case of new motor oil.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 47.    Move car back to apply more kitty litter to fresh oil
spilled
>   > during
>   > >   > step 46.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 48.    Beer.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 49.    Test drive car.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 50.    Get pulled over: arrested for driving under the
influence.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 51.    Car gets impounded.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 52.    Call loving wife, make bail.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > 53.    12 hours later, get car from impound yard.
>   > >   >
>   > >   > Money spent:
>   > >   >
>   > >   > Parts $50.00
>   > >   > DUI $2500.00
>   > >   > Impound fee $75.00
>   > >   > Bail $1500.00
>   > >   > Beer $40.00
>   > >   > Total-- $4165.00    -- But you know the oil change job was done
right.
>   > >   > PRICELESS !!
>   > >   >
>   > >   >
>   > >   > The General       patton442@verizon.net
>   > >   >
>   > >   >
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   >
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:38:28 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: Burping a new motor/371

Hello
Last time i installed the 371 i was told to fill VIA of the thermostat to relieve motor of air.
There is also a heater core remember,and i see it is same level or higher then pass. head.
The pass. side head is not a big deal i see you could just disconnect the heater core hose fitting to let air out.
The drivers side head has no such port to let air out.
When i started her last time i installed motor she got up to thermo. temp then started to over heat....had to shut her down :( it was comin outa rad cap over flow.
Wow there was alot of air in there when removed rad cap !
This time i was thinking of filling rad and spin water pump/fan by hand to see if water/air could circulate out via the rad?
Also was suggested by buddy to raise frt of car high so air could come out when filling.
Any other suggestions before i start her next weekend?
Thanks in Advance.
Randy H.
Van.B.C.Can.

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:16:11 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Providence? WAS more brake fun

At 11:51 AM 1/11/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>Two responses, two different answers.

How are they different??????

>>At 08:27 AM 01/11/2004 -0500, Ron Fama wrote:
>
>>  you do not have to do that

..........
>>.....I've never had a car that I had to do that to;

... and Ron said:
>>that step with proportioning valve is if the system lost front brakes,
>>once you get a good pedal after you have lost either front or rear 
>>just mash brake prdal down a few times it recenters the proportioning 
>>valve.

..... while I said:
>if you have an open front line such that the proportioning valve goes 
>all the way to one end when you apply the pedal, perhaps you have to
>"reset" the valve manually with the above procedure in order to get the
>valve recentered again.

Looks to me as if Ron and I said basically the same thing  ;o\

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 15:27:48 -0800 (PST)
From: William Grumblatt Jr <wgrumblatt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: oil change instructions

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the General wrote


Oil change instructions for women ....

1. Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles since the
last oil
change.

2. Drink a cup of coffee. 15 minutes later, write a check and leave with
a properly maintained vehicle.


Money spent Oil Change $24.00 Coffee $1.00 Total $25.00



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<DIV>the General wrote<BR></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR>Oil change instructions for women ....<BR><BR>1. Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles since the<BR>last oil<BR>change.<BR><BR>2. Drink a cup of coffee. 15 minutes later, write a check and leave with<BR>a properly maintained vehicle.<BR><BR><BR>Money spent Oil Change $24.00 Coffee $1.00 Total $25.00<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:26:01 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Engine hoists..... rated weight?

At 10:38 AM 01/10/2004 -0700, Milton wrote:
<physics of fulcrum, lever action, and engine stands and hoists snipped>

To everyone who responded . . a big thank you.

Checked out my stand (still in box) . . company is Torin, brand name is Big
Red.  Looked about, and while the company is in California, the stand's
apparently built in China.... which may bode somewhat ill.  Thoughts?  The
hoists we have are by the same company.

Will have to keep my eyes open perhaps for a somewhat heavier duty one.

As to stands, again, points well taken.  Now I know better what to look for.

And SteveH suggested:
>Another thought, if you have a garage: consider buying a come-along or
>chain-fall, and laying some strong 4x6 in your garage rafters, resting upon
>the walls on either side. As long as you don't get the engine swaying
>dangerously, that's far superior to using a free-standing hoist in my
opinion.

Friend of mine in MD has got this sort of a setup, and recommended it as
well.  My garage is rather on the high side, though.  Anyway, it's also
something I'm looking into, though I don't know if I should just run it on
one side, or have the thing run completely across (it's a 2 car garage).
Decisions, decisions.... I'm thinking though that having the cross-beam
from which the chain-fall hangs being that wide might hurt its strength
though.

That is, if I'm thinking of what I *think* you're saying.  Basically my
friend's got what amounts to an upside-down, squared-off U made of I think
4x4s or 4x6s, with a device that has a chain loop that he pulls on.  Used
it to lift the frame of his 52 Ford pickup.  I think it moves something
like an inch or less for every foot he pulls the chain.


>I don't want you to drop it on your toe. I dropped a 2500 pound trencher
>boom, with chain drive and digging teeth, on my right foot once. Everything
>healed perfectly, but it sure wasn't fun. And a steel toed boot would have
>made everything much worse, in my particular case, because of the nature of
>where it hit and how it hit.
>

Ouch.... I cringed just reading that!

At this point, I'm no longer going to complain about the time a 10 pound
bowling ball dropped about 2-1/2 feet onto my big toe.  Rather minor by
comparision to your experience!


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:31:52 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Arizona Show

The annual Arizona Olds Club Show is coming up on February 28th in 
Scottsdale.  Last year we had 86 cars, hoping to have 100 this year.  If 
any of you will be out for a meeting, conference, etc., plan to stop in.  I 
hear Vinny is coming, and we have a registration for an Olds coming from 
Cleveland, Ohio!!

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:58:04 -0800 (PST)
From: William Grumblatt Jr <wgrumblatt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: oil change instrutions

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Oh!! I'm bad hit the wrong key sent message before I was done...If I remember correctly coffee was free at jiffy lube...  I went there once.....  Hey look I had a car torn down in the garage, and already had several warnings from code enforcement about working on cars  in the ally.  As the guy was putting the oil in i was watching the oil drain out of the oil pan.... I thought OIL FLUSH?? Then he went to start the car ... Man did I scare the crap out of him when I yelled NO!!!  Get away from my car you..........................!!!  Got the whole shops attention...I pointed out the drain plug not being where it should be...Never been back..
$4165.00 oil change   I knew there was a reason why I quit drinking 14 years ago...But then again the knuckle-busters do seem to hurt a bit more now these days and I no longer take naps while under the car either,,(well I thought they were naps)
 
Bill G
Been there...Done that..But don't miss it  



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<DIV>
<DIV>Oh!! I'm bad hit the wrong key sent message before I was done...If I remember correctly coffee was free at jiffy lube...&nbsp; I&nbsp;went&nbsp;there once.....&nbsp; Hey look I had a car torn down in the garage, and already had several warnings from code enforcement about working on cars &nbsp;in the ally.&nbsp; As the guy was putting the oil in i was watching the oil drain out of the oil pan.... I thought OIL FLUSH?? Then he went to start the car ... Man did I scare the crap out of him when I yelled NO!!!&nbsp; Get away from my car you..........................!!!&nbsp; Got the whole shops attention...I pointed out the drain plug not being where it should be...Never been back..</DIV>
<DIV>$4165.00 oil change&nbsp;&nbsp; I knew there was a reason why I quit drinking 14 years ago...But then again the knuckle-busters do seem to hurt a bit more now&nbsp;these days and I no longer take naps while under the car either,,(well I thought they were naps)</DIV>
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<DIV>Bill G</DIV>
<DIV>Been there...Done that..But don't miss it&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV>
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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 01:02:55 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Engine hoists..... rated weight?

At 07:26 PM 1/11/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Checked out my stand (still in box) . . company is Torin, brand name 
>is Big Red.

'At's cause it came from the Big Red Un  ;o\

>Looked about, and while the company is in California,

.... importers.

>the stand's apparently built in China....

Methinks they ALL are, these dayses.

>which may bode somewhat ill.  Thoughts?

Not necessarily; mine is also Red Chinese and it's OK, IMO. Not great, but
OK; I can live with it.

>The hoists we have are by the same company.

I'd yank out the stand and look it over, especially the welds. Then agin,
you probly have one already assembled in yer store; if not, shame  ;o\

For the hoist: talk the boss into letting you assemble one for show 'n tell
in the store, eh  ;o) Then you get to see just what it's like.

>Friend of mine in MD has got this sort of a setup, and recommended it as
>well.  My garage is rather on the high side, though.

That's GOOD, not bad. There's NOTHING as depressing as to begin yanking yer
engine/tranny out using such a chainfall and discover it's too low to pull
the tranny up over the radiator support. Then hafta disassemble the
radiator support, all while the dangling tranny's dripping tranny fluid all
over yer GARAGE FLOOR XoP

I can tell you: Mothers do NOT appreciate that. Fathers have slightly more
tolerance but they still tend to get peeved. When it comes to WIVES, I
don't even wanna think of the consequences (you do have a heated dog house
in the back yard, right?).

>I don't know if I should just run it on one side, or have the thing 
>run completely across (it's a 2 car garage).

You need to also consider the construction of the garage. One of my buddies
laid a pair of very nice heavy 2x6s from one wall to the other, ends
resting upon the horizontal studs above the walls. Then he used strong
angle iron to firmly anchor them to the wall members. All fine and dandy.
Except that it turned out that when the engine/tranny began swaying, so did
the WALLS  ==================8-O 

>Decisions, decisions.... I'm thinking though that having the cross-beam
>from which the chain-fall hangs being that wide might hurt its strength
>though.

Go to yer Homey Despot and find a potential piece of material. Take a real
fat... uh, I mean HEAVY friend or two along with you. Put some scrap
material at each ends of the potential material so it sits off the floor of
the Homey Despot, then have all three friends stand in the middle while you
watch to see how much it deflects ;o)

>That is, if I'm thinking of what I *think* you're saying.  Basically my
>friend's got what amounts to an upside-down, squared-off U made of I think
>4x4s or 4x6s, with a device that has a chain loop that he pulls on.  Used
>it to lift the frame of his 52 Ford pickup.  I think it moves something
>like an inch or less for every foot he pulls the chain.

Not sure what that is but sounds like it does the job ;o)

>Ouch.... I cringed just reading that!
>
>At this point, I'm no longer going to complain about the time a 10 pound
>bowling ball dropped about 2-1/2 feet onto my big toe.  Rather minor by
>comparision to your experience!

That'd be a great idea, not to complain, Joe. I could then relate the time
I dropped a....

;o)))))

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:23:55 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Arizona Show

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Hey Joe,

CORRECT, I will be there.  I hope it does not snow.

Vinny
1964 442  FOR SALE
1968 Hurst/Olds  NOT FOR SALE
1965 Kidney, slightly used,  best offer.

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:53:57 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE

  i know ,all mine is 1969 up 
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 5:31 PM
  Subject: Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE


  > Sorry Ron, every single one of my Olds engines uses the 1/2' square drive.
  > Remember, all my stuff is '64 - '69.
  > 
  > Milton Schick
  > 1964 442 Cutlass
  > imp@theriver.com
  > 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
  > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 2:50 PM
  > Subject: Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE
  > 
  > 
  > >
  > >   do i have to be more specific and mention the year range
  > >   LOL.
  > >   you  got me milt.
  > >   ron
  > >   ----- Original Message -----
  > >   From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
  > >   To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  > >   Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 1:59 PM
  > >   Subject: Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE
  > >
  > >
  > >   > My drain plugs take a 1/2" drive ratchet.
  > >   >
  > >   > Milton Schick
  > >   > 1964 442 Cutlass
  > >   > imp@theriver.com
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   > ----- Original Message -----
  > >   > From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
  > >   > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  > >   > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:06 AM
  > >   > Subject: Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   > >
  > >   > >   must have been wrote by a chevy owner, we use 7/8 drain plugs
  > >   > >   ron
  > >   > >   ----- Original Message -----
  > >   > >   From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
  > >   > >   To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  > >   > >   Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 9:29 AM
  > >   > >   Subject: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE
  > >   > >
  > >   > >
  > >   > >   > Oil change instructions for women ....
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 1.    Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles
  > since
  > >   > the
  > >   > >   > last oil
  > >   > >   >        change.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 2.    Drink a cup of coffee.  15 minutes later, write a check
  > and
  > >   > leave with
  > >   > >   > a properly maintained vehicle.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > Money spent Oil Change $24.00 Coffee $1.00 Total $25.00
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > ===============================
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > Oil Change instructions for Men
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 1.    Wait until Saturday, drive to auto parts store and buy a
  > case of
  > >   > oil,
  > >   > >   > filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner and a scented tree, write a
  > check
  > >   > for
  > >   > >   > $50.00.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 2.    Stop by 7 - 11 and buy a case of beer, write a check for
  > $20.00,
  > >   > drive
  > >   > >   > home.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 3.    Open a beer and drink it.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 4.    Jack car up.  Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 5.    Find jack stands under kid's pedal car.  In frustration,
  > open
  > >   > another
  > >   > >   > beer and drink it.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 6.    Place drain pan under engine.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 7.    Look for 9/16 box end wrench.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 8.    Give up and use crescent wrench.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 9.    Unscrew drain plug.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 10.    Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil: splash hot oil on you
  > in
  > >   > process.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 11.    Cuss.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 12.    Crawl out from under car to wipe hot oil off of face and
  > arms.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 13.    Throw kitty litter on spilled oil.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 14.    Have another beer while watching oil drain.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 15.    Spend 30 minutes looking for oil filter wrench .
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 16.    Give up; crawl under car and hammer a screwdriver through
  > oil
  > >   > filter
  > >   > >   > and twist off.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 17.    Crawl out from under car with dripping oil filter
  > splashing oil
  > >   > >   > everywhere from holes.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 18.    Cleverly hide old oil filter among trash in trash can to
  > avoid
  > >   > >   > environmental
  > >   > >   > penalties.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 19.    Drink a beer.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 20.    Buddy shows up; finish case of beer with him.  Decide to
  > finish
  > >   > oil
  > >   > >   > change tomorrow so you can go see his new garage door opener.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 21.    Sunday: Skip church because "I gotta finish the oil
  > change."
  > >   > Drag pan
  > >   > >   > full of old oil out from underneath car.  Cleverly dump oil in
  > hole in
  > >   > back
  > >   > >   > yard instead of taking it back to Kragen to recycle.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 22.    Throw kitty litter on oil spilled during step 18.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 23.    Beer?  No, drank it all yesterday.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 24.    Walk to 7-11; buy beer.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 25.    Install new oil filter making sure to apply a thin coat
  > of oil
  > >   > to
  > >   > >   > gasket surface.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 26.    Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 27.    Remember drain plug from step 10.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 28.    Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 29.    Remember that the used oil is buried in a hole in the
  > back
  > >   > yard,
  > >   > >   > along with drain plug.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 30.    Drink beer.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 31.    Shovel out hole and sift oily mud for drain plug.
  > Re-shovel
  > >   > oily
  > >   > >   > dirt into hole.  Steal sand from kids sandbox to cleverly cover
  > oily
  > >   > patch
  > >   > >   > of ground and avoid environmental penalties.  Wash drain plug in
  > >   > lawnmower
  > >   > >   > gas.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 32.    Discover that first quart of fresh oil is now on the
  > floor.
  > >   > Throw
  > >   > >   > kitty litter on oil spill.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 33.    Drink beer.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 34.    Crawl under car getting kitty litter into eyes.  Wipe
  > eyes with
  > >   > oily
  > >   > >   > rag used to clean drain plug.  Slip with stupid crescent wrench
  > >   > tightening
  > >   > >   > drain plug and bang knuckles on frame.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 35.    Bang head on floorboards in reaction to step 34.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 36.    Begin cussing fit.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 37.    Throw stupid crescent wrench.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 38.    Cuss for additional 10 minutes because wrench hit Miss
  > December
  > >   > >   > (1992).
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 39.    Beer.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 40.    Clean up hands and forehead and bandage as required to
  > stop
  > >   > blood
  > >   > >   > flow.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 41.    Beer.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 42.    Beer.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 43.    Dump in five fresh quarts of oil.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 44.    Beer.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 45.    Lower car from jack stands.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 46.    Accidentally crush remaining case of new motor oil.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 47.    Move car back to apply more kitty litter to fresh oil
  > spilled
  > >   > during
  > >   > >   > step 46.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 48.    Beer.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 49.    Test drive car.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 50.    Get pulled over: arrested for driving under the
  > influence.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 51.    Car gets impounded.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 52.    Call loving wife, make bail.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > 53.    12 hours later, get car from impound yard.
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > Money spent:
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > Parts $50.00
  > >   > >   > DUI $2500.00
  > >   > >   > Impound fee $75.00
  > >   > >   > Bail $1500.00
  > >   > >   > Beer $40.00
  > >   > >   > Total-- $4165.00    -- But you know the oil change job was done
  > right.
  > >   > >   > PRICELESS !!
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   > The General       patton442@verizon.net
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >   >
  > >   > >
  > >   > >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 20:57:23 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Providence? WAS more brake fun

  yes steve we are on the same page.
   i actually took the time to fabricate that tool. it caused so much agrivation, and the results
were no different,
  if you turn to the proportioning valve section in  csm and look at diagram and read how it works
you will see that all that pin does is center the valve.
  ron----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 5:16 PM
  Subject: Re: Providence? WAS more brake fun


  > At 11:51 AM 1/11/2004 -0600, you wrote:
  > >Two responses, two different answers.
  >
  > How are they different??????
  >
  > >>At 08:27 AM 01/11/2004 -0500, Ron Fama wrote:
  > >
  > >>  you do not have to do that
  >
  > ..........
  > >>.....I've never had a car that I had to do that to;
  >
  > ... and Ron said:
  > >>that step with proportioning valve is if the system lost front brakes,
  > >>once you get a good pedal after you have lost either front or rear
  > >>just mash brake prdal down a few times it recenters the proportioning
  > >>valve.
  >
  > ..... while I said:
  > >if you have an open front line such that the proportioning valve goes
  > >all the way to one end when you apply the pedal, perhaps you have to
  > >"reset" the valve manually with the above procedure in order to get the
  > >valve recentered again.
  >
  > Looks to me as if Ron and I said basically the same thing  ;o\
  >
  > SteveH
  >
  >

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:57:28 EST
From: S61starfir@aol.com
Subject: Re: Arizona Show

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In a message dated 1/11/2004 7:35:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
carcouple@cox.net writes:
The annual Arizona Olds Club Show is coming up on February 28th in 
Scottsdale.  Last year we had 86 cars, hoping to have 100 this year.  If 
any of you will be out for a meeting, conference, etc., plan to stop in.  I 
hear Vinny is coming, and we have a registration for an Olds coming from 
Cleveland, Ohio!!

Joe Varley
      AZ
    Can't make them all, I will be at Barrett-Jackson  Jan 21st- Jan 25th. I 
will meet up with you Joe.

Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 21:58:29 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: funny buttt true

must have been wrote by a chevy owner, we use 7/8 drain plugs
  ron
=========
that's what I first thought too
But I just extracted a 307-Y oil pan, I swear its plug uses a 9/16 [15mm?] 
wench.

ps to the list I just sent off a whole set of 0.921 roller lifters and all 
the associated schtuff to a Canadiian friend, Mr. Dixon, to look into the 
possibilities of making a roller-cam motor from a 66-67 Toro block....

- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:08:04 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: reminder to be cautious with email scammers

local friend recently got his ebay acct hijacked
I guess he or family member fell for the "dire warning, you must go to ebay 
now to fix it [here's a link]" thing.

Roont his whole day.

Dire warnings are usually BS

Only to to ebay by YOUR route!

Real ebay emails are never that polite
and do not get sent to multiple recipients either.

- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

_________________________________________________________________
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http://wine.msn.com/

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 19:17:16 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: reminder to be cautious with email scammers

> local friend recently got his ebay acct hijacked

What do you mean by "having his acct hijacked". What would the benefit be to the scammer.

Kevin :o)

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Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2004 02:55:26 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Arizona Show

At 08:23 PM 1/11/2004 EST, you wrote:
>  Hey Joe,  I hope it does not snow.   Vinny

Just to be sure you don't get cold, Vinny, you better wear yer heaviest
jacket to Arizona  ;o))))))

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:23:09 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Arizona Show

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In a message dated 1/11/2004 10:22:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
k0xp@dandy.net writes:
Just to be sure you don't get cold, Vinny, you better wear yer heaviest
jacket to Arizona  ;o))))))
Exactly what i was planning to do!

Thanks

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 22:31:27 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: funny buttt true

  yup 307 uses 9/16
  forgot all about that one
  ron
  cold air is freezing  my brain
  the truck blew a p/s hose hit a object in road removed exhaust at cat, r$r hose then tack welded
pipe in place o joy, glad it happened now insted on way to mass this weekend
  ron
   ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 9:58 PM
  Subject: funny buttt true


  > must have been wrote by a chevy owner, we use 7/8 drain plugs
  >   ron
  > =========
  > that's what I first thought too
  > But I just extracted a 307-Y oil pan, I swear its plug uses a 9/16 [15mm?]
  > wench.
  >
  > ps to the list I just sent off a whole set of 0.921 roller lifters and all
  > the associated schtuff to a Canadiian friend, Mr. Dixon, to look into the
  > possibilities of making a roller-cam motor from a 66-67 Toro block....
  >
  > -----------------------
  > Chris Witt
  > 1303 W. Miller Rd.
  > Lansing MI 48911
  >
  > RocketScience442@hotmail.com
  >
  > Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
  > Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
  >
  > _________________________________________________________________
  > High-speed users—be more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet
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  >

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