
oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, February 7 2004     Volume 01 : Number 4768



More head bolts input
Re: Looking for Parking Brake Assembly for 65 442
Re: Head Bolts or Studs
Harmonic Balancer on 400-E block
Best OLDS Specific Supplier recommendations - My Imput
Re: Used head bolts
45 degree aftermarket camshaft wanted
Re: batterys
Re: Looking for Parking Brake Assembly for 65 442
RE: Used head bolts
Re: 45 degree aftermarket camshaft wanted
Re: Head Bolts or Studs
Re: 45 degree aftermarket camshaft wanted
Anyone need a nice '64 Cutlass?
Re: Anyone need a nice '64 Cutlass?
Bought a grocery getter

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 08:41:42 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: More head bolts input

Should anyone need same, Pack Rats such as Milton and myself have MANY of 
the factory studbolts on hand.

I too have seen the FRONT LOWER SHORT bolt be a studbolt, used to ground the 
battery, not on the 70's cars though, that occurred in the 80's era- 
lightened castings and all that. Serrated washer, for good electrical 
coantact, UNDER the cable, of course. Since they are 77-up gen, those units 
[the shorty studbolts] are all [?] 1/2" diameter. Since they ground the 
battery, they are 3/8 stud, not 7/16 like the longer head units.

Like most good mechanics, I have no issues re-using Olds V8 head bolts, they 
are NOT torque to yield designs. Plus, you get a nice oily unrusted set of 5 
Long Boys out of every head... useful for beautiful and  correct head 
markings when assembling a stock looking engine.
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:46:30 -0600
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Re: Looking for Parking Brake Assembly for 65 442

Albert,

If memory serves correctly, there are two different parking brake pedal
assemblys on the '65 Cutlass.  If not the assemblys, then the parking brake
light switches are different.  I can check when I get haome... anyone else up on
this?

Steve



Man now that I have the car back from paint I seem to be running into a
bunch of issues.

At some point while the car was getting painted the parking brake lever was
broken off. Doesn't look like that's a service piece - looks

Anyone have a good used parking brake assembly that will fit a 65 Cutlass?
According to my service manual it looks like the part number is #1364959

Thanks!

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:25:33 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Head Bolts or Studs

At Thursday, 5 February 2004, you wrote:

>Steve is correct; on the 307s, the negative cable bolted to 
>the head stud, earlier cars, such as my 71 Cutlass, originally 
>had it located on a bolt to the front of the head.

I've seen it that way on a pair of '77 Cutlass 260s. Wonder when 
the change occurred? I believe the alternator bracket prevents access 
to the front of the head on the later engines; I recall it was impossible 
to see the head-block interface on my 307 and very difficult to see 
the front coolant port of the intake manifold where it bolts to the 
head; that alternator and bracket obscure that whole area of the 
engine.

SteveH



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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 09:25:51 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Harmonic Balancer on 400-E block

Is anything special about the harmonic balancer on a '67 400-E block? 
Specifically, would a new GM P/N 417142 balancer be OK on this engine? 
The reciprocating assembly will be balanced. Will there be any issues 
with the timing mark lining up properly with the original '67 timing 
tab? Any other issues that anyone can think of?

Kenneth 
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:27:59 -0500
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Best OLDS Specific Supplier recommendations - My Imput

1.  Heat Treated Oil Pump Driveshaft - Milodon from Summit
2.  Hardened Distributor Drive Gear - Dave Smith Engineering
3.  ARP Head Bolts - Summit
4.  ARP Main Bolts - Summit

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:34:47 -0800 (PST)
From: kenneth treharn <kwt_1950@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Used head bolts

Hello Jack  There has been alot of talk about re-using
bolts such as the 3 time theory. I have read in Hot
Rod that all GM bolts are grade 8 and the torque specs
are so you don't over stress the bolt which can lead
to failure and the writer said bolts can be re-used as
long as they weren't EVER over torqued. Even more than
3 times as I recall. You probably had your heads
decked so u have a nice flat surface plus you will
probably be using the fat Felpro blue (.040) instead
of the factory steel gasket(.017) so why don't you use
all new bolts but re-use the couple that you need for
accesseries. I believe it will be fine plus you don't
have much other choice.  Good Luck, Ken  

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 08:53:21 -0800 (PST)
From: kenneth treharn <kwt_1950@yahoo.com>
Subject: 45 degree aftermarket camshaft wanted

Hello  I will be messing with a 33,000 mi, 1966 Delta
4-door soon, I hope. (time and weather permitting) It
is the high-comp 425 2-barrel engine with a 3:23
factory Posi in it.  Got it from a 94 year old Farmer
that wrecked the front fender and his young Sonny (67)
took it off of him and sold it to me. I got another
front fender and bumper. I am planning to put dual
exhaust,HEI,roller-tip rockers, 4- barrel intake (not
sure if I will go with cast iron non-egr or Preformer,
I have some of each) performance cam, something around
.500 lift or under. New timing chain and maybe a Toro
pan, probably a little converter. I have all the parts
except the cam, so does anyone have a "GOOD" camshaft?
 I am not afraid of a low mileage used cam as long as
it mikes out OK.  Also any input on which intake? I am
kinda leaning towards the iron intake. Car will be a
driver that goes to the drag strip sometimes.
KWT_1950@yahoo.com  Thanks, Ken 

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:57:56 -0600
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Re: batterys

Hi,
Try this,  they provided me with good service:

www.antiqueautobattery.com

Steve



does anyone know where i can buy a reproduction battery,i am looking for a web
site,thank you,keith.

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 11:15:05 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for Parking Brake Assembly for 65 442

The '64 and '65 A-body parking brakes look identical. I know the switches
are the same from about '64 to somewhere in the late '60s or early '70s.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <SKammerer@alberto.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Looking for Parking Brake Assembly for 65 442


>
> Albert,
>
> If memory serves correctly, there are two different parking brake pedal
> assemblys on the '65 Cutlass.  If not the assemblys, then the parking
brake
> light switches are different.  I can check when I get haome... anyone else
up on
> this?
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> Man now that I have the car back from paint I seem to be running into a
> bunch of issues.
>
> At some point while the car was getting painted the parking brake lever
was
> broken off. Doesn't look like that's a service piece - looks
>
> Anyone have a good used parking brake assembly that will fit a 65 Cutlass?
> According to my service manual it looks like the part number is #1364959
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:25:31 -0500
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: Used head bolts

 Mr.Everett Horton has NOS bolts with the extended studs. I'll use them and
a ARP bolt kit. Not saying that there is anything wrong with reusing head
bolts but if at all possible I rather not. Spending a fair amount of money
so I prefer to do what I think best. Like many I have to do things on a
budget  (kids, wife, dog, cat..... and whenever I do things to save a dollar
it usually costs me 5. Fasteners are cheap insurance.

Also replaced the hardware for the mains and rod bolts with ARP fasteners.

I like Milton's suggestion about using hardened washers under the bolts
better torque adjustment..

The beauty of this list is that opinions and information abound. But just as
important there are some good people with access to parts that help keep
these beasts running.

Jack

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:27:53 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 45 degree aftermarket camshaft wanted

> Hello  I will be messing with a 33,000 mi, 1966 Delta
> 4-door soon, I hope. (time and weather permitting) It
> is the high-comp 425 2-barrel engine with a 3:23
> factory Posi in it.

>probably a little converter.

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You already have a switch pitch TH 400, probably the best transmission GM
ever built.  DO NOT change the converter unles it is defective.  Get a good
control system for  the switch pitch and you will be amazed at the
performance improvement.  Literally a couple of seconds 0-60.  Bruce Roe
makes excellent controllers for his own use and for the Toroado powered
motorhomes.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 13:31:58 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Head Bolts or Studs

> >Steve is correct; on the 307s, the negative cable bolted to
> >the head stud, earlier cars, such as my 71 Cutlass, originally
> >had it located on a bolt to the front of the head.
>
> I've seen it that way on a pair of '77 Cutlass 260s. Wonder when
> the change occurred?

'77 when the 403 came out.  They changed to 1/2" head studs across the line
for the 403 and in preparation for the Diesel.

As for reusing head bolts, you can get away with it on a gas engine, DO NOT
do it on a Diesel. One of the reasons these engines got a bad reputation for
head gasket failures was that the mechanics reused the head bolts.   What a
surprise that the same car was back with another head gasket failure 10,000
miles later.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 10:38:57 -0800 (PST)
From: kenneth treharn <kwt_1950@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 45 degree aftermarket camshaft wanted

Hello Fred  How do I know if it is a switch pitch and
how does it work. I have heard of them. How do I get
ahold of this Fellow also. Thanks, Ken
- --- Fred Nissen <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > Hello  I will be messing with a 33,000 mi, 1966
> Delta
> > 4-door soon, I hope. (time and weather permitting)
> It
> > is the high-comp 425 2-barrel engine with a 3:23
> > factory Posi in it.
> 
> >probably a little converter.
> 
> --------------------
> 
> You already have a switch pitch TH 400, probably the
> best transmission GM
> ever built.  DO NOT change the converter unles it is
> defective.  Get a good
> control system for  the switch pitch and you will be
> amazed at the
> performance improvement.  Literally a couple of
> seconds 0-60.  Bruce Roe
> makes excellent controllers for his own use and for
> the Toroado powered
> motorhomes.
> 
> Regards,
> Fred
> 
> 


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Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 15:46:08 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <64f-85@comcast.net>
Subject: Anyone need a nice '64 Cutlass?

Hi Guys,
    I've decided to sell my 1964 Cutlass and would like to offer it here 
first. Actually I should call it an Oldsmobile package deal. Here's 
what's included:
1964 Cutlass Sport Coupe 330ci 4V 4-speed red on red car in real nice shape.
1964 Cutlass Hardtop parts car with a 1970 or so 350.
1965 330 2V stick engine that ran real nice when pulled. Includes 
flywheel and bellhousing.
1968 455 pulled from a Toronado. It ran but was noisy.
455 with small valve c-heads pulled from a boat. Has rust on cylinder walls.
Two custom built engine dollies.
Numerous Oldsmobile parts such as a 4-speed console for '64 to '69 
Cutlass, a set of big valve C heads, complete air conditioning setup 
pulled from a 1965 Cutlass, and lots of small parts both used and NOS. 
Mainly parts that I had collected for the '64 just in case I ever needed 
them. Hubcaps, extra dash assembly from a '64 Cutlass, headers, and a 
bunch more that I can't remember right now.
     I have a few pictures of the red '64 at this website  
http://www.geocities.com/ggatti/  but keep in mind that these photos are 
of the car when I first brought it home in 2000. Since then I've done a 
few things such as putting the correct air cleaner and coil back on the 
engine, had the lower door panels repaired, removed that goofy steering 
wheel cover and modernized the factory AM radio. You can see the modded 
radio on the website.
     So if anyone here is interested I'm asking $11,000 for this entire 
package located in southern New Jersey. You can email or call me between 
8am and 11pm EST. Tire kickers welcome!
Thanks for looking,
Gene
64f-85@comcast.net
cell 609-922-OLDS

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Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 16:01:56 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone need a nice '64 Cutlass?

Checked out your site. Nice car and with the package its at a good deal!
Good Luck! Ecellent job on the radio!
I gotta spend the cash on my cars though, sorry.
Pat.


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Gatti" <64f-85@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 3:46 PM
Subject: Anyone need a nice '64 Cutlass?


> Hi Guys,
>     I've decided to sell my 1964 Cutlass and would like to offer it here
> first. Actually I should call it an Oldsmobile package deal. Here's
> what's included:
> 1964 Cutlass Sport Coupe 330ci 4V 4-speed red on red car in real nice
shape.
> 1964 Cutlass Hardtop parts car with a 1970 or so 350.
> 1965 330 2V stick engine that ran real nice when pulled. Includes
> flywheel and bellhousing.
> 1968 455 pulled from a Toronado. It ran but was noisy.
> 455 with small valve c-heads pulled from a boat. Has rust on cylinder
walls.
> Two custom built engine dollies.
> Numerous Oldsmobile parts such as a 4-speed console for '64 to '69
> Cutlass, a set of big valve C heads, complete air conditioning setup
> pulled from a 1965 Cutlass, and lots of small parts both used and NOS.
> Mainly parts that I had collected for the '64 just in case I ever needed
> them. Hubcaps, extra dash assembly from a '64 Cutlass, headers, and a
> bunch more that I can't remember right now.
>      I have a few pictures of the red '64 at this website
> http://www.geocities.com/ggatti/  but keep in mind that these photos are
> of the car when I first brought it home in 2000. Since then I've done a
> few things such as putting the correct air cleaner and coil back on the
> engine, had the lower door panels repaired, removed that goofy steering
> wheel cover and modernized the factory AM radio. You can see the modded
> radio on the website.
>      So if anyone here is interested I'm asking $11,000 for this entire
> package located in southern New Jersey. You can email or call me between
> 8am and 11pm EST. Tire kickers welcome!
> Thanks for looking,
> Gene
> 64f-85@comcast.net
> cell 609-922-OLDS
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 7 Feb 2004 18:22:20 -0500
From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
Subject: Bought a grocery getter

http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/vista.jpg

Okay, so it isn't a REAL grocery getter but none the less its still pretty
cool. :)
It came in a 5 pack with these others:

http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/grocery_getters.jpg

For $9.47 at Wallyworld.
I'm sure some of you have probably already seen these or have them in your
collection. Just thought I would share. :)

Andrew Geeting
geeting@woh.rr.com
'87 Cutlass Supreme 461
'98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf

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