
oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, February 18 2004    Volume 01 : Number 4781



Re: Re: The New GTO
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #4779
Re: Is my tranny fried?
RE: megasquirt?
DB connector punches (was RE: megasquirt?)
Re: always ck the dealer for parts first
Re: Longevity of newer vs. Older
Re: always ck the dealer for parts first
guy in michigan parting out 83 toro
Re: Re: The New GTO
Re: DB connector punches (was RE: megasquirt?)
Found a Grommet!
Re: Status Report: Amp Installation
Re: Custom interior questions
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Need 68 A-body vac tank
No slip rear ends
Re: Re: The New GTO
Re: Is my tranny fried?
Re: No slip rear ends
UNBOUNCE: Original 1954 F-88 where-a-bouts
Re: Status Report: Amp Installation
Re: No slip rear ends
Re: Longevity of newer vs. Older
Re: UNBOUNCE: Original 1954 F-88 where-a-bouts
Re: Non Olds - Caprice parts
OOPS  Re: Non Olds - Caprice parts
Re: Re: The New GTO

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 10:45:12 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Re: The New GTO

Two words: Ford GT
If only I had the $$($$$$$).

krw
On Feb 16, 2004, at 2:23 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 03:20:14 -0500
> From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: The New GTO
>
>> Face it, the muscle car days are over, basically since 1972.
>
> I don't if their over so much as just more refined now. I mean face 
> it, the
> last generation F-body's with the LS1 engine could out accelerate, out
> brake, and out handle just about ANY muscle car. And at the same time 
> pull
> down 25+mpg. In my book thats as good if not better than a muscle car.
>
>> If I had to choose a contemporary American muscle car, it would be a
>> Rustang Cobra. It is very quick, V8, rwd, and has all the fake scoops 
>> and
>> effects you'll ever need to embarrass yourself.
>
> Fortunately for the Cobra, its hoodscoops aren't fake (unlike the 
> GT's) but
> all the other little doo dad scoops and such are. Of course, were the 
> scoops
> on the original Mustangs real? The side scoops anyway?
>
> Has anyone seen the GTO test drive from the TV show TopGear? Its 
> definitely
> going to be a fast car. :)))
>
> Andrew Geeting
> geeting@woh.rr.com
> '87 Cutlass Supreme 461
> '98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
> http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:37:44 EST
From: CutlassYes@aol.com
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #4779

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Listers...

Have been in lurk mode for the longest of time.

Finally have finished the exterior of my 67 Cutlass convert. (after a run in 
w/a country club landscape cart, his fault and having to re-do the front end, 
on the ins. co's dime, last year) and am now ready to attack the upholstery.

My problem is that since I have a Cutlass, not a plusher Supreme or 442, I 
have been unsuccessful in finding the more Plain Jane seat covers she currently 
sports for the front bench seat.  I am figuring it is the same as the F-85 
upholstery, which also seems to be scarce.

Other than the usual catalogue houses (which I have tried), anyone know of 
any sources?  Would appreciate direction and suggestions.

Cheers...

Stephen Sims/Palm Springs
62 Pontiac Starchief 
63 Chrysler Town & Country
67 Olds Cutlass Convertible
79 Chrysler LeBaron Town & Country
97 Mercury Sable wagon (a company provided car, I didn't buy it, I swear!!!)

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62 Pontiac Starchief <BR>
63 Chrysler Town &amp; Country<BR>
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 13:28:43 -0500
From: AnTiCr0mBi@aol.com
Subject: Re: Is my tranny fried?

> it could be porosity in the case on the fluid intake side, 
> according to the
> shop manual.

So that means what? I've got water in it? What should I di to fix it?

- -Eric Anderson
'64 Cutlass
http://www.angelfire.com/retro/ericskars

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:17:53 -0500
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: megasquirt?

You can buy hole punches for the 37 or 25 pin connectors. Not cheap but
clean and available.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Kevin Wright
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:56 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: megasquirt?


My first one took several evenings, but I was being *very* careful, and
doing a very neat job. The second one took only a couple of evenings,
but I still tried to keep it as neat as possible.
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/megasquirt.html
(may not be up right now - I've deleted the site and am re-uploading it
to clean it up a bit)

krw
On Feb 16, 2004, at 2:23 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:55:42 -0500
> From: Joe Vitek <joevitek@comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: megasquirt?
>
> Ian Dixon wrote:
>>
>> Joe,
>>
>> I'm interested to know how long it took you to assemble the MS kit.
>> Ian
>
> Well, when I actually got to sit down at work (after hours) to put it
> together, it only took a coupla hours to solder everything on the
> board. The
> next day, I had to mod the case a little in the shop so the FETs would
> mount
> to the case correctly and allow the cover to fit. At that time, I used
> a
> Bridgeport to mill the holes for the DB-37 and DB-9 connectors. I
> would say
> going from the completed board (2 hours):
>
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/joevitek/Motorized_Projects/MegaSquirt/
> MS_board_comp800x600.JPG
>
> To completed assembled case (2 hours more):
>
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/joevitek/Motorized_Projects/MegaSquirt/
> MS.JPG
>
> You must keep in mind that a 4 hour completion time from bag of parts
> to
> completed unit is not necessarily typical. I have a lot of experience
> soldering and putting things like this together, so I would say double
> the soldering time if you are relatively inexperienced. The shop work
> on the
> case is probably longer than all the mechanical guys out there. I am
> not the
> best mechanical fabricator by any stretch of the imagination.
>
> If you left a Saturday open for putting this together, you would not
> have a
> problem getting it done in one day.
>
> Getting it to work the first time is another story (I was lucky to not
> make
> any mistakes). Here is my MS page:
>
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/joevitek/Motorized_Projects/MegaSquirt/
> MS.htm
>
> Good luck if you take the plunge!
>
> - --
> joe vitek (on the banks of the Merrimack River, Concord, New Hampshire)
> http://oldsgmail.com/
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/joevitek/index.htm
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/C3carbhackers/
> '83 H/O #2981 of 3001
> '81 Supreme (to be FE3-X clone MS'ed road racer)
> '72 Kawasaki H1 500cc
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans:
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31!
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:28:48 +0000
From: joevitek@comcast.net
Subject: DB connector punches (was RE: megasquirt?)

> You can buy hole punches for the 37 or 25 pin connectors. Not cheap but
> clean and available.

Yeah, Greenlee has punches for all the different DB conenctors. We have one for the 9-pin here at work. Don't have the 37-pin version though. I didn't know we had one until I had already routed the holes for them with the mill.

Next time, I will suddenly find a need for the 37-pin one here at work and order it for the shop...

:)

- --
joe vitek

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:13:53 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: always ck the dealer for parts first

I'm not sure where the phrases, "there's a sucker born every minute," and,
"let the buyer beware," leave off and price gouging and profiteering begins.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 4:56 AM
Subject: always ck the dealer for parts first


> crikey...
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34203&item
=2459301185
>
> $45 for 4 pcs exhaust bolt locks, PN 399423?
>
> let'sjust do a quick ck at GMPARTSDIRECT.com, shall we?
>
> GM PART # 399423
> CATEGORY: All
> PACK QTY: 1 CORE CHARGE: $0.00
> GM LIST: $5.49
> OUR PRICE: $3.13
> DESCRIPTION: LOCK
>
> $3.13 x 4 + shipping = $20 maybe...
>
> How about some dipstick guide tubes?
> 401357
> $8.04 + shipping per 2-pack at GMPARTSDIRECT.com
> $32.00 on ebay
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 14:16:03 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Longevity of newer vs. Older

Chris,

What the heck was this??????

There is no difference. It's all relative.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 6:01 AM
Subject: Longevity of newer vs. Older


> Don't try to tell me  how dependable the old cars were compared to the new
> cars. Just about any
> car  produced today can go 200,000 miles with an average owner doing
average
>   maintenance. Back in the 60's, it was common to need a valve job at
around
> 120,000 miles. Todays cars are by far more dependable, it is not even
close.
> =================
> I agree that your average Olds V8 needed say a timing chain at around
> 80-100k miles, that was after 10-12 years of use. Today's engines still
need
> a timing belt at about the same interval. And, the consequences of belt
> breakage while engine is running can be disastrous. It seems that today we
> run vehicles more, because they rack up more like 200k miles in their
10-12
> years of life.
>    As for longevity in general, I do not know how things were way back
when,
> but I can say that for the last couple years I have been frequenting the
> local scrap metal yard... and I have seen a LOT of newish engines being
> scrapped. Bought a few of them, too. Mostly GM V6's like 3100. AL block,
AL
> heads. Evidence of not much run time. Often appear to be model year 2000
or
> so when scrapped in '02 or '03.
>    Friend's 99 Caravan just ate its trans, totally fubar'd the whole
> assembly. Vehicles still regularly die at the age of 10 yrs or so, not so
> much from the rust now here, but if it ain't mechanical failures, it's
> elecrical/ electronics which... if not very easy to diagnose, quickly run
up
> such a bill that fixing it is just not practical. I worked on a Dodge
> Something [Lancer?] a few years ago that neither me nor Mr. Master
Mechanic
> could figure out what was wrong with. Injectors stayed on all the time, no
> matter what. All wires tested OK, replace all other components 2-3 times
> each. I suggested a different wiring harness from a parts car. Mr. Master
> said that I just told him that the wiring all ck'd OK. Well, there's ck'g
OK
> with an Ohm meter and then there's being OK in service. Load can make a
> difference. Probably was related to Dodge's dumbass method of routing ALL
> the wiring to the computer right under the battery. Saw that clever move
> kill more than one Omni type car.
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>
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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:33:05 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: always ck the dealer for parts first

>I'm not sure where the phrases, "there's a sucker born every minute," and,
>"let the buyer beware," leave off and price gouging and profiteering 
>begins.

I'd say price gouging and profiteering would apply if you're the only 
supplier on the market and it's an important item that you're supplying 
(e.g. food or vital parts, not Pet Rocks™). But if you're simply charging 
what the market will pay, and that's only because the market is too dumb to 
shop around, then it's just a case of Buyer Beware...

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:17:54 -0500
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: guy in michigan parting out 83 toro

This guy is parting out an 83 toro. If you need anything contact him 
directly he is not on the list his name is Martin He can be reached at 
LMR19MAPLOCAT@WEBTV.net
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:10:03 -0500
From: "Mike Evans" <mevans@jasnetworks.net>
Subject: Re: Re: The New GTO

Or, when eight cylinders is not enough (and money is no object!):
http://www.carkeys.co.uk/features/product/1601.asp

Mike Evans
Richland, MI
'76 Cutlass S/461
www.time-save.com/cutlass.htm

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Wright" <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:45 AM
Subject: Re: Re: The New GTO


> Two words: Ford GT
> If only I had the $$($$$$$).
>

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:48:47 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: DB connector punches (was RE: megasquirt?)

At 08:28 PM 2/17/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>> You can buy hole punches for the 37 or 25 pin connectors. Not cheap but
>> clean and available.
>
>Yeah, Greenlee has punches for all the different DB conenctors. We have
one for the 9-pin here at work. Don't have the 37-pin version though. I
didn't know we had one until I had already routed the holes for them with
the mill.
>
>Next time, I will suddenly find a need for the 37-pin one here at work and
order it for the shop...

You can sometimes use a smaller one to make a hole for a larger connector
by moving the punch over and running it through again. El Cheapskate's
technique  ;o)

SteveH

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:59:35 -0600
From: Branson Sparks <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
Subject: Found a Grommet!

*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
Hi, all. I'm back with another exciting issue of the SoundSystemTimes...

Looking to drill hole in firewall today, but before I took the plunge 
(drill) ;-) I decided to take the car to the local Audio Shoppe. The guy 
there pointed straight to a big grommet that is right next to the 
windshield washer resevoir, and shoved a wire through. It went right in 
to the cabin. Looks like my problems are over without having to drill. 
Thought I'd pass this along so if anyone else is trying to do something 
similar, they will have it easier. If anyone has questions, I can try to 
answer them... Still not very familiar with everything, but learning 
every day.


- --Branson

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:22:22 -0600
From: "jbschuren" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Status Report: Amp Installation

Branson... I'm interested, please post and link the pics.. thanks

JB Schuren
71Cutlass Conv Rocket 350 w/HEI.
03 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi QC
http://foggy.audioguy.net

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Branson Sparks" <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 6:59 AM
Subject: Status Report: Amp Installation


> *This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
> Thought I'd report back on the status of my installation...
> It's been a hectic weekend.
>
> The speaker boxes for the subs are built, and the subs are
> installed. All that remains to be done now is the great
> drill (which will be completed by the end of today), and
> running the wiring from the great drill, which also should
> be completed today.
>
> If everyone is still interested, I can put up pics of what
> I have done and link to 'em here.
>
> Thanks for your help,
> --Branson

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 21:37:13 -0600
From: "Paul Pate" <rocket455@swbell.net>
Subject: Re: Custom interior questions

"Anybody know what type of wood board interior shops use when they make
custom door panels?"

It is a high density card board material. Go to an auto upholstery shop and
they should sell you some... if they are nice.

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S
71 Cutlass

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:05:39 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: krwright@sbcglobal.net

>Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:28:40 -0500
>From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
>Subject: of 231 vs 3.8 vs 3800 interchageability
<snip>
>There is a crank sensor for the Olds V8- all the 1977 Toronados have crank 
>triggered ignition. I have such a system or two.
>- ----------------------
>Chris Witt

Eh? Are there any pictures or details of this beastie in the wild?
===============
I could prolly get some
I think I know which trunk the stuff is in. Some might be in my garage here.
How about a 1977 CSM- should be cheap even on eBay.



On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright
krwright@sbcglobal.net
================
Now, lemme get this straight....
Are you slow because you are on digest, or
on digest because you are slow ???

:-)

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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 20:12:47 -0800 (PST)
From: jayandcindy@webtv.net (Jay and Cindy Bognar)
Subject: Need 68 A-body vac tank

Anybody out there have an extra underhood vacuum storage tank-ball for a
68 Cutlass? Is this the same for 68-72?

TIA,
Jay B. OCA
95 Aurora
72 Cutlass

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 00:05:59 -0500
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: No slip rear ends

Has anyone tried a Richmond Gear Powertrax no slip conversion on their daily
driver? I was watching Horsepower TV this weekend and the installation
seemed very easy compared to installing a posi unit.
How bad is the clicking sound when you go around a corner?
Here is the link to the site if anyone wants to check it out.
http://www.richmondgear.com/02powertrax.html#lockright

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:13:14 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Re: The New GTO

Mike,

Interesting website, but this statement is b**ls**t:

"Based on the space frame and suspension of the latest Ford GT, the new
Cobra doesn't include the basic design mistake which made Shelby's prototype
Cobra 427 of 1963 so 'treacherous'
(Ford's adjective) to drive - a huge engine and leaf-spring rear
suspension."

Ahhh, no. That Ford rep didn't know how to drive things around corners.
Carol Shelby had that suspension perfectly balanced. Anything that weighs
only 2500 pounds and has 550HP is going to be a little squirrelly. That's
part and parcel of knowing how to drive, when to put your foot into it and
when to use moderation. That statement would damage these guy's credibility
to me.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Evans" <mevans@jasnetworks.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: Re: The New GTO


> Or, when eight cylinders is not enough (and money is no object!):
> http://www.carkeys.co.uk/features/product/1601.asp
>
> Mike Evans
> Richland, MI
> '76 Cutlass S/461
> www.time-save.com/cutlass.htm
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kevin Wright" <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:45 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: The New GTO
>
>
> > Two words: Ford GT
> > If only I had the $$($$$$$).
> >
>
>

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 22:50:10 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Is my tranny fried?

Eric,


> > it could be porosity in the case on the fluid intake side,
> > according to the
> > shop manual.
>
> So that means what? I've got water in it? What should I di to fix it?


It means the aluminum case is porous and causing an internal leak on the
suction side.

This is what the shop manual said about whinning noise:

>From the '65 Olds Shop Manual, page 6-86, TH400:

A. Pump Noise
1. Oil low or high; water in oil.
2. Cavitation due to plugged strainer; strainer "O" ring damaged (the o-ring
around the filter tube where it plugs into the trans case, could have been
damaged when the filter was replaced), porosity in intake circuit.
3. Pumps gears - driving gear assembled backwards; gears damaged or scored.

B. Gear noise - first gear (Drive Range)
Planetary gear set (worn, either gears or shafts or both).


If water was in the oil or if the filter is plugged, change the trans fluid
and the filter.

Anything else would require the trans to be torn down, checked, and rebuilt.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:06:16 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: No slip rear ends

Dan,

It looks good to me. I think this differential conversion might be the
answer for my '65 A-bodies. Any noise wouldn't bother me. The performance
results is what counts.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:05 PM
Subject: No slip rear ends


> Has anyone tried a Richmond Gear Powertrax no slip conversion on their
daily
> driver? I was watching Horsepower TV this weekend and the installation
> seemed very easy compared to installing a posi unit.
> How bad is the clicking sound when you go around a corner?
> Here is the link to the site if anyone wants to check it out.
> http://www.richmondgear.com/02powertrax.html#lockright
>
>

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 06:50:43 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Original 1954 F-88 where-a-bouts

Not on the list, respond to DigitalGeo1@aol.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:   DigitalGeo1@aol.com
Subject: Original 1954 F-88 where-a-bouts

I would like to find out where the 1954 Olds Motorama F-88 is and who owns 
it. Last I knew, it was painted gold, and offered for sale... George, Michigan, 
DigitalGeo1@AOL.com. Thanks.

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 05:03:18 -0600
From: Branson Sparks <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
Subject: Re: Status Report: Amp Installation

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:37:39 -0300
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: No slip rear ends

Dan, I used it some time in my city driven 74CS, 350HP. It clicks and clangs
on turns, blocks the rear end in any turn you try to apply some gas, even
little, which makes the rear tires squeek nastly like witha a spool. Now, in
the straight ahead accelaration is good, locks and stays locked. Milton will
tell you that in the oval track racing it is used with good luck and no
problem. Alike should be highway driving. Once it opened at WOT when parting
from a dead stop so I trusted it no more. Even more, the unit I had liked to
disengage in the straight line with some loud clung and a cartain shock
ttransfered to the body.
I use now a Torsen unit, much stronger, silent and as good in locking the
wheels in need. Some time ago Eaton had super price on their carbon fiber
equipped posis, you could get it for 289 from the Callgears or Chrisman, I
don't recall 100% sure, but NOT from any big like Summit or Jegs. Should I
buy one now I would take the Eaton.
rgds
Matt
> Has anyone tried a Richmond Gear Powertrax no slip conversion on their
daily
> driver? I was watching Horsepower TV this weekend and the installation
> seemed very easy compared to installing a posi unit.
> How bad is the clicking sound when you go around a corner?

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:46:07 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Longevity of newer vs. Older

  this is true but look at how long it took the us mfg to get the  smaller v-6 and 4 cyl to stay
together.
  but i will gladly keep my full frame gas guzzling  v-8 at least when it gets hit; it's still
drivable. walk threw a junk yard and see how twisted  most of the cars are that were in accidents.
  just my 2 cents but what good is a car that cam last 200,000 miles if in a accident could kill
you. i rolled my 69 hurst olds and walked away with 5 stiches ,car was totaled.
  a few yaers ago i hit a tree   when i ran off the road. the car was a twisted mess had to be cut
out of it.  and simply because the crappy dodge daytona snapped the outter tie rod end. the darn air
bags did more damage to me than if i had not had them.
  now my 94 caprice is great plenty of poerw great gas mileage and out weighs most cars on the road
today so in a accident i know i stand a better chance that was proven when a moron in a mitsubishi
slammed into the caprice while i was stopped at traffic light moved  my car 3 feet bent frame by
control arms but a frame shop and new body parts i was on the road. the mitsu was totaled,the driver
crippled for life air bag  broke his back. all because he was in a hurry and got hit by a chevy
cavilier,wich also was totaled and driver severly hurt.
  ron
       ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 8:01 AM
  Subject: Longevity of newer vs. Older


  > Don't try to tell me  how dependable the old cars were compared to the new
  > cars. Just about any
  > car  produced today can go 200,000 miles with an average owner doing average
  >   maintenance. Back in the 60's, it was common to need a valve job at around
  > 120,000 miles. Todays cars are by far more dependable, it is not even close.
  > =================
  > I agree that your average Olds V8 needed say a timing chain at around
  > 80-100k miles, that was after 10-12 years of use. Today's engines still need
  > a timing belt at about the same interval. And, the consequences of belt
  > breakage while engine is running can be disastrous. It seems that today we
  > run vehicles more, because they rack up more like 200k miles in their 10-12
  > years of life.
  >    As for longevity in general, I do not know how things were way back when,
  > but I can say that for the last couple years I have been frequenting the
  > local scrap metal yard... and I have seen a LOT of newish engines being
  > scrapped. Bought a few of them, too. Mostly GM V6's like 3100. AL block, AL
  > heads. Evidence of not much run time. Often appear to be model year 2000 or
  > so when scrapped in '02 or '03.
  >    Friend's 99 Caravan just ate its trans, totally fubar'd the whole
  > assembly. Vehicles still regularly die at the age of 10 yrs or so, not so
  > much from the rust now here, but if it ain't mechanical failures, it's
  > elecrical/ electronics which... if not very easy to diagnose, quickly run up
  > such a bill that fixing it is just not practical. I worked on a Dodge
  > Something [Lancer?] a few years ago that neither me nor Mr. Master Mechanic
  > could figure out what was wrong with. Injectors stayed on all the time, no
  > matter what. All wires tested OK, replace all other components 2-3 times
  > each. I suggested a different wiring harness from a parts car. Mr. Master
  > said that I just told him that the wiring all ck'd OK. Well, there's ck'g OK
  > with an Ohm meter and then there's being OK in service. Load can make a
  > difference. Probably was related to Dodge's dumbass method of routing ALL
  > the wiring to the computer right under the battery. Saw that clever move
  > kill more than one Omni type car.
  > -----------------------
  > Chris Witt
  > 1303 W. Miller Rd.
  > Lansing MI 48911
  >
  > RocketScience442@hotmail.com
  >
  > Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
  > Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
  >
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  >

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 13:48:48 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Original 1954 F-88 where-a-bouts

> I would like to find out where the 1954 Olds Motorama F-88 is and who owns 
> it.

This car was just featured in an article in Collectible Automobile.  Was probably the December '03 issue.

Paul

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:16:03 -0500
From: "Hurst Olds" <hurstolds@planetc.com>
Subject: Re: Non Olds - Caprice parts

Howdy...

Yep... I did get this message... sorry for not replying right away... been
insanely busy (which means I'm just now finishing stripping the Caprice...
letsee... left would be Driver side correct?  So since mine is still good...
either way there will be a spare left over... so yeah... I think I can come
up with one for you... I'm going to use the better one on my car... the
parts car is from upper Illinois so it probably has a bit of surface rust
where I don't think mine does... but either way I should have a non-wrecked,
non-rust-through piece if you need it.  Wheel well trim was pretty mangled
looking but I'll check and see if there's any of it that's salvageable.

Yup... '93 was regular Chev 350 not LT1... mine's a '91 so its about the
same except mine doesn't have the open wheel-wells in back like the '93.  I
think '93 was the last year for the old style interior and the small mirrors
as well.  I used to have a '95 also that did have a good LT1... but the '91
was just so much nicer a car (ex NJ highway patrol with only about 70 - 80k
on it when taken out of service).  I sold the '95 to a constable - he's
still driving it.

Later...
Clayton

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:17 PM
Subject: Re: Non Olds - Caprice parts


> left inner fender,93 did not have the lt1 so thats it for me
> unless  wheel well molding is in good shape
> ron
> > Howdy Gang...
> >
> > Sorry for the non-olds post... but I know there's some others on the
list
> > besides me that run ex-cop cars for their drivers - and I know how hard
> > parts are getting to be to find.  I just bought a '93 Caprice for
parts...
> > split it with my friend - engine is his, rest of the car is mine.  I'm
using
> > some of the frontend sheetmetal, headlights, grille, etc to repair my
> > wrecked '91.  The rest of the car I'm going to strip and put the parts
in
> > storage.  So if anyone needs anything let me know in the next few days.
I'm
> > going to let the EMS come pick up the carcass sometime late next week to
use
> > in their training.  The car has a good complete police package interior
in
> > dark blue - my interior is near perfect so these are all spare parts.
All
> > glass is good but would probably be too much of a pain to ship.  Trunk
lid
> > has a bent corner but could be used with a little work.  LR door is good
all
> > others are damaged but most could be used with some work.  Doors are
manual
>
> > window.  All police equipment is of course gone.  Rear axle appears bent
> > slightly out of whack and 1/4s are both killed.  L tail light is good,
right
> > is not.  Probably have some electrical parts too but my friend is going
to
> > use the computer.  Just if you need anything let me know pretty soon so
I
> > can set it aside.  Any sheet metal or glass from the firewall back is
free
> > for the taking but would probably have to be picked up.  Interior pieces
> > etc. I'll probably try to recover some of my expense from... but I'll be
> > reasonable.
> >
> > Take it easy gang...
> > Later...
> > Clayton Pierce,
> > Johnson City, TN
> > hurstolds@planetc.com
> >
> > 1969 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe
> > 1979 Hurst/Olds W30 (white/gold)
> > 1979 Cutlass Supreme Coupe
> > 1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe (T-tops)
> > 1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Coupe
> >

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:19:34 -0500
From: "Hurst Olds" <hurstolds@planetc.com>
Subject: OOPS  Re: Non Olds - Caprice parts

Sorry gang... that was obviously supposed to go privately.  I'll go stand in
the corner for now and be more careful next time...

Later...
Clayton Pierce,
hurstolds@planetc.com

1969 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe
1979 Hurst/Olds W30 (white/gold)
1979 Cutlass Supreme Coupe
1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe (T-tops)
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Coupe

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Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:36:43 -0500
From: "Mike Evans" <mevans@jasnetworks.net>
Subject: Re: Re: The New GTO

Agreed.  Having been around the block a couple of times in the OEM/Tier One
automotive manufacturing world, it is amazing to me how very few "car guys"
there are in the automotive realm, let alone in the automotive writing
realm.  There are frighteningly few people who actually know cars, and a
frightening majority who understand only a tiny piece of the pie.  I recall
sitting down a few years ago with the guy who was the valve spring designer
for most of the NHRA Top Fuel teams, thinking we could have some fun custom
engineering some valve springs for my new Cutlass motor.  Here I thought
things live valve lift, rpm levels, desired life cycle, etc. would come into
play.  Silly me.  He spoke only of things such as "modulus of elasticity of
the intended component material".  He couldn't change a spark plug in his
own minivan, for crying out loud, let alone build an engine or a car.  THESE
are the types that are putting out the cars you see from Detroit that you
all dig. ;-)

Mike Evans
Richland, MI
'76 Cutlass S/461
www.time-save.com/cutlass.htm

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 12:13 AM
Subject: Re: Re: The New GTO


> Mike,
>
> Interesting website, but this statement is b**ls**t:
>
> "Based on the space frame and suspension of the latest Ford GT, the new
> Cobra doesn't include the basic design mistake which made Shelby's
prototype
> Cobra 427 of 1963 so 'treacherous'
> (Ford's adjective) to drive - a huge engine and leaf-spring rear
> suspension."
>
> Ahhh, no. That Ford rep didn't know how to drive things around corners.
> Carol Shelby had that suspension perfectly balanced. Anything that weighs
> only 2500 pounds and has 550HP is going to be a little squirrelly. That's
> part and parcel of knowing how to drive, when to put your foot into it and
> when to use moderation. That statement would damage these guy's
credibility
> to me.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Evans" <mevans@jasnetworks.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 3:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: The New GTO
>
>
> > Or, when eight cylinders is not enough (and money is no object!):
> > http://www.carkeys.co.uk/features/product/1601.asp
> >
> > Mike Evans
> > Richland, MI
> > '76 Cutlass S/461
> > www.time-save.com/cutlass.htm
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Kevin Wright" <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 11:45 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: The New GTO
> >
> >
> > > Two words: Ford GT
> > > If only I had the $$($$$$$).
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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