
oldsmobile-digest      Friday, January 30 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4759



Re: what junk is
Magnet in tranny pan, is epoxy necessary?
Re: Magnet in tranny pan, is epoxy necessary?
Re: Magnet in tranny pan, is epoxy necessary?
Re: Kooks Headers for 64-67
Re: Magnet in tranny pan, is epoxy necessary?
RE: what junk is
Re: Edelbrock O4B
RE: new Ed carb
Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?
RE: Edelbrock O4B
Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?
Re: ye olde Olds site
Re: 1960 super 88
RE: ye olde Olds site
65 442
Identify this WP Pulley??
Re: Magnet in tranny pan, is epoxy necessary?
Re: new Ed carb
Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?
Re: Identify this WP Pulley??
RE: Identify this WP Pulley??
Re: new Ed carb
Re: Edelbrock O4B
Re: 65 442
Fwd: [T-Net]: engine hoist
Re: 65 442
Re: new Ed carb
Re: Edelbrock O4B
Re: new Ed carb
Wanted: 1968 Cutlass or 442
Re: Fwd: [T-Net]: engine hoist
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 07:11:30 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian LeFain <slefain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: what junk is

You know, the Mopar guys would consider that a highly
restorable car. They would even figure out how to
justify its rarity, like it was 1 of 1 built with and
console shift A/T, posi, maroon bench seats, smokers
package, 14" wheels, extra-wide coat hooks, and chrome
plated ashtray knobs.

BrianM


> no
> that's NOT junk - not even close.
> 
> THIS... is junk [almost]:
> http://www.442.com/parts/wittpartscar.gif
> 
> "look honey, other guys actually drag home worse
> stuff than I do!"
> 
> Yes, I still have that car. It WAS INDEED on the way
> IN, not to Padnos.
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
> 
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
> 
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or
> leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
> 
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:24:26 -0600
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Magnet in tranny pan, is epoxy necessary?

All,
	I got a new, deeper transmission pan for my daily driver, and it came with a magnet.  Is there any reason I should epoxy the magnet to the pan?

Thanx,


Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode)
'68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine)
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 10:34:42 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Magnet in tranny pan, is epoxy necessary?

If the magnet came with the pan it shouldn't move. If you feel safer you
could spot weld divots aruond the magnet so it couldn't move. But if you
take the pan down again for some reason you would want to take the magnet
out and wipe it down to get all the filings off it.

Pat.







- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
To: "Olds (E-mail)" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:24 AM
Subject: Magnet in tranny pan, is epoxy necessary?


> All,
> I got a new, deeper transmission pan for my daily driver, and it came with
a magnet.  Is there any reason I should epoxy the magnet to the pan?
>
> Thanx,
>
>
> Steve Reed
> '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode)
> '68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine)
> Austin, TX
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:52:57 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Magnet in tranny pan, is epoxy necessary?

no do not epoxy it. its just fine, besids its a heck of a lot easier to clean the crap off it that it catches when removed from pan
ron
> All,
> 	I got a new, deeper transmission pan for my daily driver, and it came 
> with a magnet.  Is there any reason I should epoxy the magnet to the pan?
> 
> Thanx,
> 
> 
> Steve Reed
> '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode)
> '68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine)
> Austin, TX
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com
> 

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:05:46 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Kooks Headers for 64-67

> Milton, is that the correct time you thought of this? 1:29 am?
> I was reading my eyelids at that time....


No, I already knew it. That's just the time I got around to answering my
E-mail. Too many things to do.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 09:10:55 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Magnet in tranny pan, is epoxy necessary?

> I got a new, deeper transmission pan for my daily driver, and it came with
a magnet.  Is there any reason I should epoxy the magnet to the pan?


No. If you can't remove the magnet, next time you would have a little more
difficulty removing all iron based alloy particles from under the edge and
around it. I assume the pan is steel. The magnet isn't going anywhere, ever.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 16:45:40 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: what junk is

>Does this look like junk?
>
>http://www.allamericanclassics.com/pics/M04745-64dynamic88.jpg

Heck, no; around Chicago that's a daily driver.

I'd also like the Cadillac on the left, please.

- -- Andy (who is currently lusting after a 1950 Pontiac Silver Streak 4-door 
that's for sale nearby...)

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 08:58:03 -0800 (PST)
From: Geo <geogeethree@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock O4B

Dan:

When i had my 455 rebuilt last summer, i swapped the
56lb. cast iron intake with my 20lb. spreadbore O4B
(as you can tell i'm on a weight-savings kick at the
moment) and the STOCK DISTRIBUTOR CAP was wedged
between the two rear intake runners, and couldn't get
the distributor to turn more than maybe 1/8".  It's
off the car now (of course) and we've carefully
removed some material from the intake.  We'll try
reinstalling it in the Spring and see if we can get it
to work without having to take material off of the
distributor cap.

Geo
'72 442

> Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:24:28 -0500
> From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
> Subject: Re: Edelbrock O4B

> What type of distributor do you have on your car?
HEI apparently will 
not
fit with out modifications.
Dan


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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:15:31 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: RE: new Ed carb

I'm not sure..... as it seems that I can't adjust the idle mixture much
anyway no matter how the screws are turned.  Further, even in regular
driving, it tends to run hot and ping a bit, and I've set the timing okay.

One of these days I'll actually get off my duff and check to make sure all
the vacuum lines are good....

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

At 01:03 PM 01/28/2004 -0500, Jonh wrote:
>Isn't that really just the idle mixture?
>-----Original Message-----
>
>
>It should do better, even running lean.  My 1972 98 (455 cid) runs too
>lean, and I get about 11 MPG city driving.  The car weighs about 4700 lbs.
>
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:22:05 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?

At 04:35 AM 01/28/2004 -0500, Fred wrote:
>> I'd place ANY V8/6/4 Caddy before the Delta....
>
>
>----------------------
>
>The 8/6/4 wasn't so bad.  The control system had some issues (as did a lot
>of early computer engine management systems), but the basic engine was the
>sturdy cast iron 368.  The real turkey from Cadillac was the HT-4100.
>Famous for mixing coolant and oil, among other things.

That may be so, but I'm wondering if the 8/6/4, even running on all 8
cylinders, might not be competing for worst power-per-displacement ratio.
disp		fuel 	horsepower	torque		compres	bore x stroke
- -------	-----	----------	----------	-------	-------------
8 - 368	4 bbl	150 @ 3800	265 @ 1600  	8.2:1  	3.800 x 4.060
8 - 368	FI	145 @ 3600 	270 @ 2000	8.2:1		3.800 x 4.060

and not to mention competing with the late-400 Olds V8 for worst case of
undersquaring.  A slightly worse bore/stroke (.938 Olds vs .935 Cad) than
the Olds.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 11:44:02 -0600
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Subject: RE: Edelbrock O4B

I've had to do this before with a different Edel intake.  No biggie.
Ian
____________________________________________________________________

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca [mailto:oldsmobile-
>>> It's
off the car now (of course) and we've carefully
removed some material from the intake.  
____________________________________________________________________

> What type of distributor do you have on your car?
HEI apparently will 
not
fit with out modifications.
Dan

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:42:15 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?

> That may be so, but I'm wondering if the 8/6/4, even running on all 8
> cylinders, might not be competing for worst power-per-displacement ratio.
> disp fuel horsepower torque compres bore x stroke
> ------- ----- ---------- ---------- ------- -------------
> 8 - 368 4 bbl 150 @ 3800 265 @ 1600  8.2:1  3.800 x 4.060
> 8 - 368 FI 145 @ 3600 270 @ 2000 8.2:1 3.800 x 4.060

- ----------------------

These figures are a bit misleading.  The torque peak was at a very low rpm
and the curve was very wide.  The 368 was Cadillac's version of an Olds 260
or 307.  No race engine, but smooth and durable.  I have seen these in limos
with 300,000 + miles on just regular maintenance and a timing chain.

> and not to mention competing with the late-400 Olds V8 for worst case of
> undersquaring.

- -------------

Yes, but Olds (stupidly IMO to save $$ by having only one crank in
production) marketed the late 400 as a performance engine.  The late 400
worked fine in Vista Cruisers with the tall axle and 442's with the 2 barrel
turnpike cruising delete option.  It was a turkey in the regular 442 as a
performance engine.  Cadillac never pretended the 368 was a high performance
engine.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:14:59 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: ye olde Olds site

> I get lots of mail asking what happened to the information on my Olds site.
> It's all still there. Just go here:
> 
> http://johnnasta.com/6898/resources/

Did we ever find out if the convertible sold?  Or did I miss it?

Paul
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 21:24:59 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: 1960 super 88

> Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't 63 the first year for alternators in 
> GM vehicles?

1962 in civilian vehicles, I think.  Earlier than that on police vehicles.

Alternators first appeared on civilian Oldsmobiles in mid-'62, and then only on cars equipped with air conditioning.  Chebbie might have had them earlier.

Paul

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:09:48 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: ye olde Olds site

Nope, it hasn't sold yet. December is a tough time to sell a convertible. I
figured I'd step up the effort again in March. By then people will be
thinking about spring and summer, and car show season.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 4:15 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: ye olde Olds site

> I get lots of mail asking what happened to the information on my Olds
site.
> It's all still there. Just go here:
>
> http://johnnasta.com/6898/resources/

Did we ever find out if the convertible sold?  Or did I miss it?

Paul
>
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:51:03 -0500
From: "sherman f higgins" <goodfoot@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: 65 442

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Guys;

Maybe you could help me out, my friend is going to transport my 65 442 and needs to know how much the car weighs.

Thanks


Sherman F Higgins
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:33:33 -0500
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Identify this WP Pulley??

I have a BB Olds water pump pulley. It is stamped "KE". It has 3 grooves
and a very deep neck. I could not find a listing for it in my '70 parts
manual.....

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967
 

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 15:35:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Hutchison <rkt88403@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Magnet in tranny pan, is epoxy necessary?

 I have a TH2004R that has a donut shaped magnet that
sits over a dimple in the pan. But the magnet has an
oval emblem with guess what written in it. Would this
be an alien presence? Will it suck the guts out of the
trans? EEK! Should I replace it with a GM magnet? Is
there a GM magnet? I have seen real ugly stuff in the
bottom of tranny pans,but this is by far the worse.


 



=====
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95 GMC Sierra 1500,95 Prowler 27N travel trailer
81 W-88 Cpe 403/TH350/8.5-3.23 LS
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:56:48 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: new Ed carb

  pinging, runs hot, screws have no affect on idle.
  what intake is under the carb,
  the running hot  may be causing youre pinging, i have ran the 600 cfm carb on the 468  it did not
give me any problem's untile the 5000 rpm range but car never ran hot or pinged.
  ron

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "King V" <king_v@mindless.com>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:15 PM
  Subject: RE: new Ed carb


  > I'm not sure..... as it seems that I can't adjust the idle mixture much
  > anyway no matter how the screws are turned.  Further, even in regular
  > driving, it tends to run hot and ping a bit, and I've set the timing okay.
  >
  > One of these days I'll actually get off my duff and check to make sure all
  > the vacuum lines are good....
  >
  > - Joe Vahabzadeh
  >
  > At 01:03 PM 01/28/2004 -0500, Jonh wrote:
  > >Isn't that really just the idle mixture?
  > >-----Original Message-----
  > >
  > >
  > >It should do better, even running lean.  My 1972 98 (455 cid) runs too
  > >lean, and I get about 11 MPG city driving.  The car weighs about 4700 lbs.
  > >
  > >
  >

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:52:58 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?

  dont forget chevy and the 265 in mid 80's. in a b body car.
  my dad had that 368 ran okay but was allways fixing it, but at least the crank never snapped as
the case of the 83 caddy with a 4100. in the big sedan devile,
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:42 PM
  Subject: Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?


  > > That may be so, but I'm wondering if the 8/6/4, even running on all 8
  > > cylinders, might not be competing for worst power-per-displacement ratio.
  > > disp fuel horsepower torque compres bore x stroke
  > > ------- ----- ---------- ---------- ------- -------------
  > > 8 - 368 4 bbl 150 @ 3800 265 @ 1600  8.2:1  3.800 x 4.060
  > > 8 - 368 FI 145 @ 3600 270 @ 2000 8.2:1 3.800 x 4.060
  >
  > ----------------------
  >
  > These figures are a bit misleading.  The torque peak was at a very low rpm
  > and the curve was very wide.  The 368 was Cadillac's version of an Olds 260
  > or 307.  No race engine, but smooth and durable.  I have seen these in limos
  > with 300,000 + miles on just regular maintenance and a timing chain.
  >
  > > and not to mention competing with the late-400 Olds V8 for worst case of
  > > undersquaring.
  >
  > -------------
  >
  > Yes, but Olds (stupidly IMO to save $$ by having only one crank in
  > production) marketed the late 400 as a performance engine.  The late 400
  > worked fine in Vista Cruisers with the tall axle and 442's with the 2 barrel
  > turnpike cruising delete option.  It was a turkey in the regular 442 as a
  > performance engine.  Cadillac never pretended the 368 was a high performance
  > engine.
  >
  > Regards,
  > Fred
  >
  >
  >

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:23:44 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: Identify this WP Pulley??

Paul,
My '68 manual lists KE as a 2 groove fan and water pump pulley (non 
A/C).  KF is listed as a 3 groove pulley (A/C)

M


At 06:33 PM 1/29/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a BB Olds water pump pulley. It is stamped "KE". It has 3 grooves
>and a very deep neck. I could not find a listing for it in my '70 parts
>manual.....
>
>Paul Tumolo
>1970 442 Hardtop
>OCA # 31967
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:34:19 -0700
From: "Karl Sup" <droldslives@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Identify this WP Pulley??

I show a two-groove 'KE' pulley for non-W30/W32 in my 69 Assembly Manual... 
the 1969 three-groove pulley was 'KF'. I know, this was no help whatsoever.

Karl Sup
Mesa, AZ

>From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>To: "Oldsmobile-Digest" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Subject: Identify this WP Pulley??
>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:33:33 -0500
>
>I have a BB Olds water pump pulley. It is stamped "KE". It has 3 grooves
>and a very deep neck. I could not find a listing for it in my '70 parts
>manual.....
>
>Paul Tumolo
>1970 442 Hardtop
>OCA # 31967
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:00:36 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: new Ed carb

I put an edelbrock on my chebbie 350 with weiand intake, also did cam and
timing gear mods, I had to run 92 octane after the mods. Carburetor adjusted
fine. Some times simple as a plug heat range could cause that. No air leaks
around intake seals? A small one could also cause pinging.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: new Ed carb


>   pinging, runs hot, screws have no affect on idle.
>   what intake is under the carb,
>   the running hot  may be causing youre pinging, i have ran the 600 cfm
carb on the 468  it did not
> give me any problem's untile the 5000 rpm range but car never ran hot or
pinged.
>   ron
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "King V" <king_v@mindless.com>
>   To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>   Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 12:15 PM
>   Subject: RE: new Ed carb
>
>
>   > I'm not sure..... as it seems that I can't adjust the idle mixture
much
>   > anyway no matter how the screws are turned.  Further, even in regular
>   > driving, it tends to run hot and ping a bit, and I've set the timing
okay.
>   >
>   > One of these days I'll actually get off my duff and check to make sure
all
>   > the vacuum lines are good....
>   >
>   > - Joe Vahabzadeh
>   >
>   > At 01:03 PM 01/28/2004 -0500, Jonh wrote:
>   > >Isn't that really just the idle mixture?
>   > >-----Original Message-----
>   > >
>   > >
>   > >It should do better, even running lean.  My 1972 98 (455 cid) runs
too
>   > >lean, and I get about 11 MPG city driving.  The car weighs about 4700
lbs.
>   > >
>   > >
>   >
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:03:04 -0500
From: "W-Machines" <W-Machines@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock O4B

You can use the stock distributor with a petronix ignition, which is what I
have on the 98 or switch over to the MSD billet distributor.  Its costly
though.
regards
WMACHINES (Mark Prince)
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: Edelbrock O4B


> > No difference in performance.  Does your intake have 8 holes for the
carb.
> > I believe it does.  You could mill out the holley area using a Q-jet
> gasket
> > as your template.  The other alternative is to call summit and tell them
> you
> > need a square bore to spread bore adapter.  They sell them.  Only thing
is
> > that is will raise the carb about an inch off the intake.
> > regards Mark
> Thanks Mark, my intake has 8 holes. I looked at it and yes it could be
> milled to clear the big bores of the Qjet. I have to see what my budget
will
> allow.
> What type of distributor do you have on your car? HEI apparently will not
> fit with out modifications.
> Dan
>
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 20:26:53 EST
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 65 442

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Yo Sherman!
       Mine weighs 3470 with the spare.

                                                        Ron Forsee
                                                        65-442 Orig. Owner

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 02:41:21 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Fwd: [T-Net]: engine hoist

>From the Toronado reflector, for those still looking for an engine hoist:

>Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:37:28 -0500
>From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
...
>To: thelist@toronado.net ([T-Net] Mailing List)
>Subject: [T-Net]: engine hoist
......
>Hi All
>    Adding to recent posts. Harbor Freight has their 2 ton shop crane in 
>this weeks flyer for 149.99. This appears to be identical to the one I 
>have made by Excalibur tools. I have not been to the store to actually 
>see this crane but anyone needing one might check it out. Normal price 
>is 229.00
>think Spring
>John Kelsey
>Dayton Ohio

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 18:44:46 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 65 442

3400 pounds.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "sherman f higgins" <goodfoot@ix.netcom.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 3:51 PM
Subject: 65 442


> Guys;
>
> Maybe you could help me out, my friend is going to transport my 65 442 and
needs to know how much the car weighs.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Sherman F Higgins
> goodfoot@ix.netcom.com
> Why Wait? Move to EarthLink.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 22:24:38 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: new Ed carb

At 08:00 PM 01/29/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>I put an edelbrock on my chebbie 350 with weiand intake, also did cam and
>timing gear mods, I had to run 92 octane after the mods. Carburetor adjusted
>fine. Some times simple as a plug heat range could cause that. No air leaks
>around intake seals? A small one could also cause pinging.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
>>>   pinging, runs hot, screws have no affect on idle.
>>   what intake is under the carb,
>>   the running hot  may be causing youre pinging, i have ran the 600 cfm
>carb on the 468  it did not
>> give me any problem's untile the 5000 rpm range but car never ran hot or
>pinged.
>>   ron

Factory intake.  I should definitely check all these things, and I know
there's at least a slight vaccum leak due to the climate control system (I
can hear a slight thrumming or rattling, very faint from the thing that
controls whether the air comes from the floor or vent.  Plus I've noted
that covering the primaries with my hand until they're almost completely
blocked off will cause the car to idle much smoother and faster.

I've figured out the problem, just not the source of it.  I'll probably do
it shortly before I haul out the motor.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 12:29:46 -0300
From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock O4B

MSD has not the vacuum advance, which is highly recomandable for the street
driving. I run the Mallory magnetic dist and is very good.
Matt
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W-Machines" <W-Machines@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:03 PM
Subject: Re: Edelbrock O4B


> You can use the stock distributor with a petronix ignition, which is what
I
> have on the 98 or switch over to the MSD billet distributor.  Its costly
> though.
> regards
> WMACHINES (Mark Prince)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 11:24 PM
> Subject: Re: Edelbrock O4B
>
>
> > > No difference in performance.  Does your intake have 8 holes for the
> carb.
> > > I believe it does.  You could mill out the holley area using a Q-jet
> > gasket
> > > as your template.  The other alternative is to call summit and tell
them
> > you
> > > need a square bore to spread bore adapter.  They sell them.  Only
thing
> is
> > > that is will raise the carb about an inch off the intake.
> > > regards Mark
> > Thanks Mark, my intake has 8 holes. I looked at it and yes it could be
> > milled to clear the big bores of the Qjet. I have to see what my budget
> will
> > allow.
> > What type of distributor do you have on your car? HEI apparently will
not
> > fit with out modifications.
> > Dan
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 03:41:59 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: new Ed carb

At 10:24 PM 1/29/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Factory intake.  I should definitely check all these things, and I know
>there's at least a slight vaccum leak due to the climate control system (I
>can hear a slight thrumming or rattling, very faint from the thing that
>controls whether the air comes from the floor or vent.  Plus I've noted
>that covering the primaries with my hand until they're almost completely
>blocked off will cause the car to idle much smoother and faster.
>
>I've figured out the problem, just not the source of it.  I'll probably do
>it shortly before I haul out the motor.

Very possibly, it's the carb base gasket. On my elky with a 229 V6, there
was so much carbon built up in the big vacuum port in the rear of the
carb's throttle plate, and on the gasket itself, that you could see where
air had been leaking between the throttle plate and carb base: the leaky
area was gummy and soft instead of dry and hard like the rest of the
gasket. A new gasket did wonders. Someone else here or on the G-body
reflector had the same thing happen.

SteveH

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:39:38 EST
From: AndrewKeys@aol.com
Subject: Wanted: 1968 Cutlass or 442

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I'm looking for a 1968 Cutlass or 442 hardtop- pretty nice shape- however 
this is my situation.....

Finances are tough, however I'd like to see if someone has a vehicle for sale 
like this, if they would be willing to seller finance the car- either 12 or 
18 month note, with the seller on the car as a lien, to protect the money I 
would owe them.  After I would pay the car off, then I would remove the lien.

Please let me know if there is anyone out there, that needs to unload a 1968 
Cutlass or 442 hardtop in decent shape, that would like to have monthly 
payments.

Thanks so much for your time!

Andrew Sporn
646-373-5761

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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 23:11:00 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: [T-Net]: engine hoist

At 02:41 AM 01/30/2004 +0000, SteveH wrote:
>From the Toronado reflector, for those still looking for an engine hoist:

>>Hi All
>>    Adding to recent posts. Harbor Freight has their 2 ton shop crane in 
>>this weeks flyer for 149.99. This appears to be identical to the one I 
>>have made by Excalibur tools. I have not been to the store to actually 
>>see this crane but anyone needing one might check it out. Normal price 
>>is 229.00

I actually managed to snag a 2-ton from the place I work for $100, or $110
if you count the leveler.

Basically put together by the guys at the warehouse.  All I gotta do really
is oil one or two of the casters/bearings.  They'd been returns that were
missing an item or two, and the warehouse guys would use one or two of them
to make up for the various missing parts in the rest.

Now onto my engine-stand quest.....  the 1-ton unit for around $100 with
fold-up legs sounds appealing......

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:12:31 -0500
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: 68-72 Metal Dash

Does anyone know if the metal portion of the dash from the windshield to the
instrument cluster is the same for 68-72 Cutlass? My 69 Cutlass metal dash
needs to be replaced due to rust at the windshield and the local wreckers
has a 72 that could be a donor. Any list members with both year cars should
be able to tell if they are side by side. Thanks for the help.

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Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:56:42 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Grundy Insurance

List,

Just after Christmas I asked if anyone had any experiences with Grundy 
Insurance, but something happened and I was dropped off the list at the 
beginning of the New Year(?), so I never saw any replies. Seems like I 
missed about 40 digests during that time period.

Anyway, the in-laws are asking about it again:

"Please ask your fellow car-lovers about Grundy Insurance.
 
We are still thinking about changing the insurance on the Ford, Camaro, 
Opel and Impala to Grundy. While we hope to never have to file a claim, 
we want to be sure we won't have a problem if the need were to arise."

So, does anyone have any experiences, good or bad, to relate about Grundy?
I'm trying to be the good son-in-law so I can drive the '67 Camaro when we 
go home for Mardi Gras!


Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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