
oldsmobile-digest    Wednesday, December 31 2003    Volume 01 : Number 4727



Re: Unsafe Driving ticket: how does it work?
Re: Moog K5208 Ball Joint (Was: B-body spindle UCAs)
Re: Unsafe Driving ticket: how does it work?
Flashing hi-beams... was Re: Unsafe Driving ticket: how does it work?
Re: Flashing hi-beams... was Re: Unsafe Driving ticket: how does it work?
weird 4A 403 block
RE: Obtained rare bare '990-4A 403 block as well...
Aurora engine in Cutlass
Re: Classic Car Insurance
Re: Vinyl Top Stuff
Re: Flashing hi-beams... was Re: Unsafe Driving ticket: how does  it work?
Re: Classic Car Insurance
Dualjet parts
RE: 2nd Try SSII Wheel Paint
Front Springs 71 442
RE: Front Springs 71 442
Eye protection
Re: Eye protection
Re: Dualjet parts
Re: chrome shop
Re: Unsafe Driving ticket: how does it work?
Muscle Car Review
Re: Muscle Car Review
Re: Front Springs 71 442
Re: Eye protection
Re: Eye protection
Re: Eye protection
RE: Chrome Shop
questions about 64 Olds Super 88
Re: Unsafe Driving ticket: how does it work?
Re: Eye protection
Re: Eye protection

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 18:03:50 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Unsafe Driving ticket: how does it work?

- --- "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com> wrote:
> As of the new year, here in Illinois you can get a
> $75 ticket for driving in 
> the passing lane when not actually passing anybody,
> 
> I used to flush them out of the way with my
> headlight flashers, but 
> realistically I find it safer to pass them on the
> right _myself_ when it's 
> safe to do so, as opposed to having the offending
> nitwit suddenly notice my 
> headlights and lurch into the right lane without
> looking

I stopped flashing passing lane hogs when I learned
that here in Michigan they consider it road rage.  

Maybe if we stopped calling it the fast lane and
started calling it the passing lane, people would get
the picture.  Not in my lifetime, though.

Bill

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 21:04:27 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Moog K5208 Ball Joint (Was: B-body spindle UCAs)

Chris/List:

Now, for something else to add to the mix, check out Coleman Machine 
(http://www.colemanracing.com/) for some really slick upper and lower ball joints that 
use an adjustable piece so you can tune the pivot points of the suspension.  
While not particularly suited to everyday driving use (no provision for 
lubrication like the stock units) they are rebuildable and allow one more way of 
adjusting the roll center for better handling.

I intend to use the Coleman adjustable upper ball joints in Pole Position 
UCA's and Coleman adjustable lower ball joints in modified stock LCA's on Grace.  
With the relocated UCA and shock mounts I should be able to get good roll 
center adjustability, definitely needed for road racing!

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 03:00:54 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Unsafe Driving ticket: how does it work?

At 03:54 PM 12/30/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>>Connecticut has something similar called, guess what...
>>
>>"Failure to drive right."
>>
>>Yep  ;o\  ;o\  ;o\
>
>As of the new year, here in Illinois you can get a $75 ticket for 
>driving in the passing lane when not actually passing anybody, or 
>otherwise going so slowly there that people are passing you on the 
>right.

That would have been better phrased "Failure to drive CORRECTLY" since
there is a separate citation for failure to stay in the right lane.

>I used to flush them out of the way with my headlight flashers,

I don't know of a state where flashing your lights, whether low-beam or
high-beam, is not considered highly illegal. It's one of the reasons I
haven't bothered with the modification that some guys discovered you can
make to your A/G-body headlight switch, "flash-to-pass" or FTP. One major
exception that seems very common here in southwestern Connecticut is
flashing to tell a opposing driver who's trying to make a turn in front of
you that you will wait for him/her to complete their turn. MOST of the
time, that works fine. But I don't like the practice because all too often,
that flasher doesn't seem to pay much attention to the OTHER traffic around
them. More than once, while I waited for traffic in an opposing lane to
clear so I could make a left turn, someone in the opposing left lane, on a
two-lane-each-way busy street, has flashed at me but didn't realize there
was oncoming traffic in THEIR right lane that was NOT going to stop to let
me across. Then when I didn't make my turn, they'd get POed at me.

Well, guess what, Charlie: that's precisely how I got my first accident
just two months after I'd gotten my license. Some truck stopped to let me
cross but I couldn't see down the lane on the other side of him. And so
someone came flying down that lane while I was still inching out, trying to
see around the big truck, and smacked the whole front clip on Dad's car.
Since then, I've decided that I ALMOST ALWAYS have enough time to wait for
traffic to clear before making a turn. Too bad most other folks don't think
the same way. Flash yer lights at me all you want; I'M NOT MOVING until I'm
certain there's no traffic coming my way  ;o\

SteveH

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:10:08 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Flashing hi-beams... was Re: Unsafe Driving ticket: how does it work?

You know, speaking of the flashing . . .  and whether it's legal or not...

I could've sworn that sometime in the mid-late 90s I read about someone
who'd been pulled over.

She had flashed high-beams to warn someone about a speed-trap, and was then
pulled over by another officer who'd seen the flashing.

It turns out that she didn't have a license or insurance, or something.  In
any case, she was in very very serious hot water.

HOWEVER, she was able to get completely out of it.  It turns out that there
was nothing illegal about flashing high-beams to signal a warning to
someone.  Thus the original reason for getting pulled over was invalid,
thereby making the discovery of lack of license (or insurance) also invalid.

It was in New Jersey I think (possibly PA or NY?  I think NJ though), but I
don't remember exactly when.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:13:40 EST
From: HotRodHarrys@aol.com
Subject: Re: Flashing hi-beams... was Re: Unsafe Driving ticket: how does it work?

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I still do it Joe.....one thing I have noticed....about 99 percent of the 
drivers out there dont anymore. I hate that!  There you see a cop car up the road 
that they passed and could warn you about..and they just drive by. Typical of 
todays people.

Harry
www.HotRodHarrys.com
Just bought another 2003 Cobra Mustang
Zinc Yellow, Factory Rear Spoiler Delete and Chrome Rims
Now I am up to car number 78 owned through the years.
She is on my webpage.
Not and Olds..but if Olds made a performance car..this would be it

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e that!&nbsp; There you see a cop car up the road that they passed and could=
 warn you about..and they just drive by. Typical of todays people.<BR>
<BR>
Harry<BR>
<A HREF=3D"www.HotRodHarrys.com">www.HotRodHarrys.com</A><BR>
Just bought another 2003 Cobra Mustang<BR>
Zinc Yellow, Factory Rear Spoiler Delete and Chrome Rims<BR>
Now I am up to car number 78 owned through the years.<BR>
She is on my webpage.<BR>
Not and Olds..but if Olds made a performance car..this would be it</FONT></H=
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:15:12 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: weird 4A 403 block

ok it's not SMW of fable says the seller
Still a cool weird casting variation.

so, here's the pictures:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33613&item=2451025215

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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:27:03 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Obtained rare bare '990-4A 403 block as well...

Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 19:56:25 -0500
From: "Christian Sager" <chris.sager@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Obtained rare bare '990-4A 403 block as well...

Interested in selling that 403 block?

Christian
==============
Hah!
What would I make my SMW 403 out of then?
:-)

Just get that even rarer unit offa ebay, you just gotta go get it in AZ...
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 23:37:07 -0500
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Aurora engine in Cutlass

Has anyone tried to install an Aurora engine in a 68-72 Cutlass? Got a line
on a complete motor for $500.

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 05:49:09 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Classic Car Insurance

Never, ever, tell an insurance company anything that they don't need to 
know. Certainly never volunteer any information.
As far as they know - you're driving it to display it in the business' 
parking lot.

krw
On Dec 30, 2003, at 7:21 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:56:41 -0600
> From: Dave Popadic <davepopadic@core.com>
> Subject: Re: Classic Car Insurance
>
> Thanks for the info everyone.  I've contacted both Grundy and Hagerty
> and because I wanted to drive my car to work, like 10 times a year,
> they won't touch me.  Weird, they don't seem to care that I drive the
> car from here to kingdom come, but say you're driving it to work a
> couple of times a year and forget it.  Oh well.... Guess I'll just
> keep my current insurance.
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright
Euless, TX

krwright@sbcgloabl.net
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:06:01 -0500
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: Vinyl Top Stuff

Branson,
   The best thing to use is 303 bar none!
john  
67 cutlas supreme
Subject: Vinyl Top Stuff

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:51:06 -0300
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Flashing hi-beams... was Re: Unsafe Driving ticket: how does  it work?

Well. I must say, that the law is too weak. Ok, for not making her pay for
the flashing, but she should pay for the rest , as no having her car in
order or no licence or whatever was illegal in her situation.
rgds and good luck for the new year
Matt Raniewicz
> She had flashed high-beams to warn someone about a speed-trap, and was
then
> pulled over by another officer who'd seen the flashing.
>
> It turns out that she didn't have a license or insurance, or something.
In
> any case, she was in very very serious hot water.
>
> HOWEVER, she was able to get completely out of it.  It turns out that
there
> was nothing illegal about flashing high-beams to signal a warning to
> someone.  Thus the original reason for getting pulled over was invalid,
> thereby making the discovery of lack of license (or insurance) also
invalid.

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:04:59 -0600
From: Dave Popadic <davepopadic@core.com>
Subject: Re: Classic Car Insurance

Honestly, I thought of that, but could they decline covering my claim
if they could prove that I was actually driving the car outside of
coverage?

Kevin> Never, ever, tell an insurance company anything that they don't need to
Kevin> know. Certainly never volunteer any information.
Kevin> As far as they know - you're driving it to display it in the business'
Kevin> parking lot.

Kevin> krw
Kevin> On Dec 30, 2003, at 7:21 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

>> Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2003 14:56:41 -0600
>> From: Dave Popadic <davepopadic@core.com>
>> Subject: Re: Classic Car Insurance
>>
>> Thanks for the info everyone.  I've contacted both Grundy and Hagerty
>> and because I wanted to drive my car to work, like 10 times a year,
>> they won't touch me.  Weird, they don't seem to care that I drive the
>> car from here to kingdom come, but say you're driving it to work a
>> couple of times a year and forget it.  Oh well.... Guess I'll just
>> keep my current insurance.
>>
Kevin> On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin> Kevin Wright
Kevin> Euless, TX

Kevin> krwright@sbcgloabl.net
Kevin> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright
Kevin> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/70Olds.html

Kevin> '71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
Kevin> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/71_cutlass.html

Kevin> Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31!
Kevin> And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
Kevin> ...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be
Kevin> parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:18:14 -0300
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Dualjet parts

Hi guys, I wonder if it would be possible to find the Dualjet main needle as
a replacement? We have, down here, a couple of them, but some jerk has
removed from all of them the central needle - supposed to regulate the
mixture... If I don't manage to make work perfectly my E2MC carb in the
81CS, it would be a replacement with no CCCS participation.
rgds
Matt

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 08:58:59 -0600
From: "Dan Bodine" <danbodine@prairieinet.net>
Subject: RE: 2nd Try SSII Wheel Paint

Replied to the 29 Dec. posting yesterday, but again it appears my replies
are not going through. Try again without original post.

Greg's reply was correct.  After reading I checked my copy of Olds 1970
paint & trim specifications drawing 406477 sheet 1, and it says "N66 wheels
are to be painted dark gray low gloss enamel code #372 in areas shown (See
Fig. 3)"  Figure didn't offer anything extra. Note was added to drawing in
Aug 13, 1969. Code is probably a WA code for year 1970.

Dan
70 W-31 4-speed
71 442

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:18:52 -0600
From: "Dan Bodine" <danbodine@prairieinet.net>
Subject: Front Springs 71 442

I've copied Miltons reply to Marty with regard to Front Springs so no need
to repeat infor.  My 71 442 will soon(means sometime in 2004) have wear
parts on front end replaced including springs and new shocks (IAS). Tires on
the car are BFG T/A P265/50's. Rear springs have already been replaced and
appears to have raised the top wheel well height at the c/l chrome (to 27
1/2 " above floor) about an 2 inches higher than my 70 W-31 with stock GY
G70 14 tires and original springs. I don't have specs on the rear springs
yet, but may be able to trace it down after talking to son Bryan. Given this
information which type spring would be best be recommended for front end
since I believe I need to gain some height up front? (currently believed to
have original springs-car first 25 years history unknown except front end
parts are badly worn) Milton stated that MOOG #5382 might gain 1" in ride
height for Marty's car. Any other recommendations appreciated.

The engine, 1969 455, will be pulled and my 72 455 put in after rebuild
(rebuild another subject later). This 71 442 is not a numbers matched
original, is a holiday coupe with ram air and my, and Bryan's, intention is
to restore it to a good performance 442 looking like a W 30 knowing it isn't
an original.

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:57:00 -0600
From: "Dan Bodine" <danbodine@prairieinet.net>
Subject: RE: Front Springs 71 442

Forgot to mention the 71 does not have air conditioning.

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 10:16:44 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Eye protection

Hi All, Happy New Year,

I just went through some real fun medical stuff the last week.  On 
Christmas Eve I had light flashing in the corner of my right eye.  On the 
26th, my vision in the right eye was 80% gone, and I was looking through a 
gray "snowstorm" with a million black spots and moving squid-like 
objects.  Saturday morning I called a club member, and list member, Warren 
Victor (vvics442) who is an opthomologist and asked questions.  We talked 
again at our Saturday night club meeting and he got me in Monday AM.  Turns 
out I had 4 tears in the retina, close to a total detached retina.  It came 
from a weakness in the eye from being near-sighted, then I was hit in the 
head by a falling floor lamp on the 24th, while installing new flooring in 
the house. Point is, could have been being hit in the head or eye while 
working on an Olds. Had laser retina surgery yesterday morning, and it 
looks like I will see again OK in that eye.

Olds content--- When you are working on the car, if there is any 
possibility of having something hit your face/eye, be sure to wear 
goggles.  They are cheap at Home Depot, and can save you a lot of 
aggrevation.  I can assure you it was very scary for a few days to think I 
could be left with 1 good eye, and I still have a lot of things to do in 
life that I need to see well to do, like drive Oldsmobiles, fix them, look 
at my younger wife, etc, etc, etc.  The Doc said it is very common to have 
car guys/mechanics in his office with serious injury from everyday 
accidents they did not think would happen.  Wear eye protection, especially 
when you are under a car too.

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:28:45 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Eye protection

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Hey Joe


Karl told me last night  and I am keeping that eye in my prayers for 100% 
healing  !!!!!


Happy you did not wait any longer!

Have a blessed New Year!!!!!

That goes for everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Vinny
64 442 for sale on ebay just $70 short of the reserve!!!!
68 Hurst/Olds

Rev.Vincent Buonfiglio,
President and Director, Victorious Overcomers Support Group Substance Abuse 
Program.
1-800-DRUGWAR
<A HREF="http://victoriousovercomers.net/">Victorious Overcomers Support Group</A>

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<BR>
<BR>
<BR>Karl told me last night &nbsp;and I am keeping that eye in my prayers fo=
r 100% healing &nbsp;!!!!!
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>Happy you did not wait any longer!
<BR>
<BR>Have a blessed New Year!!!!!
<BR>
<BR>That goes for everybody!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<BR>
<BR>Vinny
<BR>64 442 for sale on ebay just $70 short of the reserve!!!!
<BR>68 Hurst/Olds
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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:23:11 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Dualjet parts

matt im at work now will e mail you around 5 to let you know how many i found my boss rebuilds carb, has lots of parts for all makes
ron
> Hi guys, I wonder if it would be possible to find the Dualjet main needle as
> a replacement? We have, down here, a couple of them, but some jerk has
> removed from all of them the central needle - supposed to regulate the
> mixture... If I don't manage to make work perfectly my E2MC carb in the
> 81CS, it would be a replacement with no CCCS participation.
> rgds
> Matt
> 

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:48:25 -0500
From: "Mike Stilwell" <Fleetsuper@msn.com>
Subject: Re: chrome shop

How about The Finishing Touch?  They are in Chicago, and advertise in both,
Hemmings and JWO.  www.thefinishingtouchinc.com
1-800-403-4545

I've always wanted to get some feedback, as I have several small, non-bumper
type items.  Things like the trunk panel for my 442, side scoops, and valve
covers, etc.  I had one estimate from Paul's Chrome but wanted another.

Mike Stilwell  OCA #13273
President - Capitol City Rockets
http://www.bigmikes442.com

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:51:42 -0500
From: "Mike Stilwell" <Fleetsuper@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Unsafe Driving ticket: how does it work?

I was talking to a friend of mine who is a cop here in VA.  He said that a
lot of jurisdictions are using this for the new anti cell phone laws.  He
also said they are cracking down on folks, eating while driving, applying
makeup, etc.  It doesn't have to be an infraction such as an improper lane
change, or other regular moving violation.

The reason they are not a points ticket is the very fact that the insurance
companies are using them against policy holders.  The jurisdictions are
banking on getting more money from the pay and no court deal, and the ins.
co's doing the heavy work.

Mike Stilwell  OCA #13273
President - Capitol City Rockets
http://www.bigmikes442.com

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 11:47:43 -0800
From: "Jeff and Sherie Stanish" <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: Muscle Car Review

A number months ago Muscle Car Review wrote me and said they would be
ceasing publication and they would send Hot Rod instead.

Which I started to recieve.

Now I see Muscle Car Review at the newsstand, What gives???

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:59:25 EST
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Muscle Car Review

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It's not MCR at the newstand. It's MuscleCar Enthusiast. But it has the same 
look as the old MCR, and even some of the old staff. But it's not from the 
same publishing company. Check it out, though, it's a great rag.

Jon Wessel

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 14:38:25 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Front Springs 71 442

Dan & List,

> Given this
> information which type spring would be best be recommended for front end
> since I believe I need to gain some height up front?
> Milton stated that MOOG #5382 might gain 1" in ride
> height for Marty's car. Any other recommendations appreciated.


Okay, there are some other front spring choices. I will repeat the other two
for comparison purposes.

MOOG #5400
load height = 11.0"
load = 2167 pounds
load rate = 360 pounds per inch
free height = 17.004"
spring motion distance = 6.004"
6.004 x 360 = 2161.44 pounds

MOOG #5382
load height = 11.0"
load = 2066 pounds
load rate = 360 pounds per inch
free height = 16.724"
spring motion distance = 5.724"
5.724 x 360 = 2060.64 pounds

MOOG #5450 - 442 HD spring with AC
load height = 12.0"
load = 1642 pounds
load rate = 454 pounds per inch
free height = 15.616"
spring motion distance = 3.616"
3.616 x 454 = 1641.664 pounds

MOOG #5536 - 442 HD spring w/o AC
load height = 11.0"
load = 1984 pounds
load rate = 488 pounds per inch
free height = 15.063"
spring motion distance = 4.063"
4.063 x 488 = 1982.744 pounds

MOOG #5374
load height = 11.0"
load = 1957 pounds
load rate = 317 pounds per inch
free height = 17.170"
spring motion distance = 6.170"
6.170 x 317 = 1955.89 pounds

MOOG #5386
load height = 11.0"
load = 2043 pounds
load rate = 336 pounds per inch
free height = 17.077"
spring motion distance = 6.077"
6.077 x 336 = 2041.872 pounds

MOOG #5390
load height = 11.0"
load = 1952 pounds
load rate = 336 pounds per inch
free height = 16.808"
spring motion distance = 5.808"
5.808 x 336 = 1951.488 pounds

MOOG #5392 - typical standard spring w/o AC
load height = 11.0"
load = 1850 pounds
load rate = 266 pounds per inch
free height = 17.952"
spring motion distance = 6.952"
6.952 x 266 = 1849.232 pounds

With the above spring specs, I would guess the 5382 should raise the front
about 1" while the 5400 should raise the front 1.5 - 2". Use your
imagination to picture how the other springs could affect ride height,
cornering, and ride feel. The key is getting a compromise for all 3 that you
can live with, while remembering the cornering can be fixed with a sway bar
and poly bushings.


> The engine, 1969 455, will be pulled and my 72 455 put in after rebuild
> (rebuild another subject later). This 71 442 is not a numbers matched
> original, is a holiday coupe with ram air and my, and Bryan's, intention
is
> to restore it to a good performance 442 looking like a W 30 knowing it
isn't
> an original.


You can build an excellent pavement pounder that can corner with the best of
them, even if the CG winds up being raised a little. There are ways. There
are also 2 schools of thought on how much the suspension should move during
cornering. Also remember that on the street, a suspension that has limited
movement can have nasty surprises when potholes, curbs, and other
interesting items are hit. The more the suspension can move, the less damage
will be caused.

The spring specs given are for one spring. Obviously, for both springs, the
load rate, etc., is doubled. The front of your car only weighs about 2000
pounds. The rest of the total spring load is to control the front end during
cornering and violent maneuvering.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:01:46 -0500
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Eye protection

 Had laser retina surgery yesterday morning, and it
 looks like I will see again OK in that eye.

Joe, good to here your eye is going to be OK.

Back when I was 16 I was doing some arc welding on a car and didn't drop the
welding helmet fast enough when starting the weld. This went on all day. I
paid for it for about a week not being able to go out side because the light
hurt my eyes.
I learned a valuable lesson and always wear eye protection even though I
wear glasses.
Thought I'd pass this on for the younger guys on the list.

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:31:27 -0500
From: "Peter Berusch" <Berusch@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Eye protection

> Hi All, Happy New Year,
>
> I just went through some real fun medical stuff the last week.  On
> Christmas Eve I had light flashing in the corner of my right eye.  On the
> 26th, my vision in the right eye was 80% gone, and I was looking through a
> gray "snowstorm" with a million black spots and moving squid-like
> objects.  Saturday morning I called a club member, and list member, Warren
> Victor (vvics442) who is an opthomologist and asked questions.  We talked
> again at our Saturday night club meeting and he got me in Monday AM.
Turns
> out I had 4 tears in the retina, close to a total detached retina.  It
came
> from a weakness in the eye from being near-sighted, then I was hit in the
> head by a falling floor lamp on the 24th, while installing new flooring in
> the house. Point is, could have been being hit in the head or eye while
> working on an Olds. Had laser retina surgery yesterday morning, and it
> looks like I will see again OK in that eye.
>

Joe,

  Damn scary story, but with the potential for a satisfactory outcome.
Vision is almost always taken for granted.
  I was using the Mig in the shop a few months ago.  The helmet had a lens
in place that was so dark I could not see the job, so I did without it.  Now
I have a viscous separation in one eye and it cannot be repaired.  It's like
looking through a jelly fish.
  Yeah, use the eye protection.

Peter

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:59:36 -0600
From: OLDSmobility <oldsmobility@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: Eye protection

Glad to hear things are lookin' up.

Several years ago I was doing a cylinder head porting with the 
die-grinder, but wasn't using goggles, even though little bits of metal 
were flying around. When I got done, my eye was bothering me so I looked 
in the mirror with a magnifying glass and could see dozens of little 
metal specks actually embedded in my eyeball. It was really late at 
night, I didn't feel like going to the hospital, so I spend almost an 
hour with a small needle digging them out. Got all but one, so had to go 
to the doctor's the next morning anyway.

But I STILL didn't learn the lesson. Just a few months ago I had a 
little grinding to do. It was going to be a quick job, maybe 60 seconds 
worth, so I didn't bother with eye protection. Same story...got a tiny 
piece of metal embedded in my eye and ended up going to the emergency 
room to get it out. Nowadays I'll put on eye protection to sweep the 
shop floor! :D  Well, maybe not THAT extreme, but I AM much more aware 
of possible dangers and am not afraid to reach for the goggles if 
there's any chance of anything damaging the peepers.

Keith

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 17:26:33 -0600
From: "Dan Bodine" <danbodine@prairieinet.net>
Subject: RE: Chrome Shop

Chris, I have two bumpers in a local chrome shop on the south side of
Chicago, but they are not done yet.  I met the owner at the Morris Lions
Club Car show last October and he was offering car show specials.  What
later happened is he and his boy stopped by to look at my car in the show
and it turned out that he is restoring a 70 W-31 and, therefore, has become
an olds man. We talked for about 30 minutes.  His business specializes in
motorcycle parts, but also does car parts and has been around for 54 years.
There literature says they are one of the best(of course) and they provide
lifetime warranty as long as you own it. Place is "Chrome & Customwerks
Inc.", 10943S Cicero Ave. Oak Lawn, Il   Tel: 708-423-1333 sales office.
They are a little behind schedule because of the holiday period, orders that
were due by Christmas and because the shop takes a week off between
Christmas and New Years.  One of my bumpers was in very very good condition
(W 31 rear), but he assured me it would be returned in top show quality.
I'll let everyone know what results I get. The second bumper had to have
some small dents repaired and I expect it may cost a little more.

Dan
70W-31 4 speed
71 442

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 16:27:17 -0800
From: "John Holt sr" <johnlholtsr@hotmail.com>
Subject: questions about 64 Olds Super 88

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<P>Any other tips that would be usefull to someone who has just acquired such an auto?<BR><BR></P>
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Date: Thu, 01 Jan 2004 01:12:08 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Unsafe Driving ticket: how does it work?

At 02:51 PM 12/31/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>He also said they are cracking down on folks, eating while driving, 
>applying makeup, etc. It doesn't have to be an infraction such as 
>an improper lane change, or other regular moving violation.

In 1995, while on one biz trip to Massachusetts, I noticed a column in some
paper where the columnist was laying into the typical I-95 "commuter". He
then related his own story of being pulled over by a Mass trooper because
he was drinking a cuppa coffee. The trooper told him there wasn't supposed
to be anything between his face and the windshield.
;o\  ;o\  ;o\

SteveH

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 20:37:28 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Eye protection

Back in '85 when the fiero's first came out, I was doing a rear e-brake
cable and had a pair of needle nose pliars on the cable itself and a pair of
vice grips on the actuator, when the needle nose slipped off the cable and
poked the tear duct in my left eye. It came a 1/4 " from my brain wall and I
wasn't able to see for about 6 wks. Don't work at all W/O saftey glasses.
God speed your recovery. Good luck.
Pat.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 2003 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: Eye protection


>
>  Had laser retina surgery yesterday morning, and it
>  looks like I will see again OK in that eye.
>
> Joe, good to here your eye is going to be OK.
>
> Back when I was 16 I was doing some arc welding on a car and didn't drop
the
> welding helmet fast enough when starting the weld. This went on all day. I
> paid for it for about a week not being able to go out side because the
light
> hurt my eyes.
> I learned a valuable lesson and always wear eye protection even though I
> wear glasses.
> Thought I'd pass this on for the younger guys on the list.
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2003 19:10:36 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: Eye protection

Joe,
Glad to hear that everything is going to be OK.  I once read, "A smart man 
learns from his mistakes.  A smarter man learns from others 
mistakes."  Let's all be smarter.

M

At 10:16 AM 12/31/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi All, Happy New Year,
>
>I just went through some real fun medical stuff the last week.  On 
>Christmas Eve I had light flashing in the corner of my right eye.  On the 
>26th, my vision in the right eye was 80% gone, and I was looking through a 
>gray "snowstorm" with a million black spots and moving squid-like 
>objects.  Saturday morning I called a club member, and list member, Warren 
>Victor (vvics442) who is an opthomologist and asked questions.  We talked 
>again at our Saturday night club meeting and he got me in Monday 
>AM.  Turns out I had 4 tears in the retina, close to a total detached 
>retina.  It came from a weakness in the eye from being near-sighted, then 
>I was hit in the head by a falling floor lamp on the 24th, while 
>installing new flooring in the house. Point is, could have been being hit 
>in the head or eye while working on an Olds. Had laser retina surgery 
>yesterday morning, and it looks like I will see again OK in that eye.
>
>Olds content--- When you are working on the car, if there is any 
>possibility of having something hit your face/eye, be sure to wear 
>goggles.  They are cheap at Home Depot, and can save you a lot of 
>aggrevation.  I can assure you it was very scary for a few days to think I 
>could be left with 1 good eye, and I still have a lot of things to do in 
>life that I need to see well to do, like drive Oldsmobiles, fix them, look 
>at my younger wife, etc, etc, etc.  The Doc said it is very common to have 
>car guys/mechanics in his office with serious injury from everyday 
>accidents they did not think would happen.  Wear eye protection, 
>especially when you are under a car too.
>
>Joe Varley
>      AZ

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