
oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, February 15 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4776



of 231 vs 3.8 vs 3800 interchageability
ideal injection time, FI
Re: of 231 vs 3.8 vs 3800 interchageability
Re: early FI, Olds and Caddy
Re: ideal injection time, FI
Re: early FI, Olds and Caddy
Re: Update for stuck 455 valve
Re: The Great Firewall Drill
Re: ideal injection time, FI
Re: Seat Cover Quality
megasquirt?
Re: megasquirt?
Re: early FI, Olds and Caddy
Re: early FI, Olds and Caddy
of 68/69 choke linkage ........
Year One 10% off code
Re: megasquirt?
Re: The Great Firewall Drill
Re: megasquirt?
Re: megasquirt?
Re: 330 problem
Re: megasquirt?
Re: 330 problem
Re: megasquirt?
Re: 330 problem
RE: Seat Cover Quality
Olds Woody wagons fer sale N.W. Peoples
Re: Update for stuck 455 valve
Re: megasquirt?
Wanted: 1968 & 1969 Cutlass
Re: megasquirt?
Re: megasquirt?
Re: The Great Firewall Drill
Re: 330 problem

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:48:12 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: of 231 vs 3.8 vs 3800 interchageability

All,

	Ok, we all know that the 2-bbl 231 made its way into numerous Oldses.
Later, the FI 3.8 V6 (code 3) made its way into the front-drive cars, later
replaced by the 3800 V6 (code C).

	My question:  Will the intake manifold from the FI models (3 or C code)
bolt up to the RWD carbureted 231 V6?  I'm thinking that if I ever come
across a good one, converting a RWD Cutlass (or Regal) over to multiport FI
might be an interesting project.

	No, I haven't figured out how to rig in a cam or crank sensor.... why do
you ask?



	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:54:34 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: ideal injection time, FI

All,

	I've been digging through some old (well, 2000-2002) Hot Rod magazines and
reading up on fuel injection, particularly multiport.  But there's a
certain question that I haven't seen an answer to.

	I know that people have discussed batch-fire.  But how do the V6s and V8s
of the 80s work?  Anything from the Grand National, to all the FWD
full-sizes with the 3.8 or 3800 motor, and even the C-brand V8 when it got
TPI and such.

	Am I correct in assuming that the injectors all fire at different times?
If so, then at a steady speed, when is the theoretical ideal?  Just as the
intake valve is opening?  Shortly before that?  Shortly after?

	I know one article mentioned that during acceleration, in place of what
the accelerator pump does, an injector will fire multiple times instead of
the one time it would do when holding a steady speed.  But I'm really
interested in when that one single injection under normal circumstances
occurs with relation to the valve events.


	Thanks again... if it'll save time, and there's a web-page or something
that explains this, please let me know.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:22:06 -0500
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: of 231 vs 3.8 vs 3800 interchageability

I believe one of the few differences between the FWD and RWD 3.8 (NOT 3800)
was that the FWD had the Chevy 2.8 boltpattern. I know that they used FWD
LeSabre 3.8 heads on the Trans Am Turbo(89 I think?) so I would venture a
guess that the intake is also the same. Maybe even everything will bolt up,
just disable the distributor and bolt on the DIS parts?

Chris
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "King V" <king_v@mindless.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 10:48 PM
Subject: of 231 vs 3.8 vs 3800 interchageability


> All,
>
> Ok, we all know that the 2-bbl 231 made its way into numerous Oldses.
> Later, the FI 3.8 V6 (code 3) made its way into the front-drive cars,
later
> replaced by the 3800 V6 (code C).
>
> My question:  Will the intake manifold from the FI models (3 or C code)
> bolt up to the RWD carbureted 231 V6?  I'm thinking that if I ever come
> across a good one, converting a RWD Cutlass (or Regal) over to multiport
FI
> might be an interesting project.
>
> No, I haven't figured out how to rig in a cam or crank sensor.... why do
> you ask?
>
>
>
> - Joe Vahabzadeh
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:22:56 -0500
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: early FI, Olds and Caddy

The grand majority of the 70s Cadillac engines were carbed. It is a rarity
and valued in the Cadillac crowd when an EFI 425 or 500 is found. I believe
all 368s were injected, though, they were also all of the 4-6-8 design.

Chris
- ----- Original Message -----

> All,
>
> I understand that the 350 Olds engines in the Seville with fuel injection
> was actually a port-fuel injection form.
>
> How about the 500CI, and later 425 and 368 caddy motors?  Were they port
> injection, or throttle-body?  I've never seen one in person.
>
> Thanks!
>
> - Joe
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:32:15 -0500
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: ideal injection time, FI

The GNs and newer cars use SFI, sequential fuel injection. I think in the
80s, the GN was the only car to use such technology, all others were just
batch fire injection.
The injectors are supposed to individually fire as the intake valve is
opening, making some kind of difference with idle and low-RPM.
I believe the changeover was mostly due to idle-to-low-RPM emissions and to
a lesser extent, fuel mileage, but I haven't a clue how much MPG is gained.
I think the reasoning with the GN was that there were emissions concerns
about the turbo not allowing the catalytic converter to warm up quickly
enough and the SFI was a concession to the EPA. But then again, I'm only
speculating. Bottom line, SFI will not get you any more HP/TQ than regular
batch injection. By the time you're turning more than 3000 rpm or so, the
computer is basically batch firing the injectors.
Chris
- ----- Original Message -----
> I've been digging through some old (well, 2000-2002) Hot Rod magazines and
> reading up on fuel injection, particularly multiport.  But there's a
> certain question that I haven't seen an answer to.
>
> I know that people have discussed batch-fire.  But how do the V6s and V8s
> of the 80s work?  Anything from the Grand National, to all the FWD
> full-sizes with the 3.8 or 3800 motor, and even the C-brand V8 when it got
> TPI and such.
>
> Am I correct in assuming that the injectors all fire at different times?
> If so, then at a steady speed, when is the theoretical ideal?  Just as the
> intake valve is opening?  Shortly before that?  Shortly after?
>
> I know one article mentioned that during acceleration, in place of what
> the accelerator pump does, an injector will fire multiple times instead of
> the one time it would do when holding a steady speed.  But I'm really
> interested in when that one single injection under normal circumstances
> occurs with relation to the valve events.
>
>
> Thanks again... if it'll save time, and there's a web-page or something
> that explains this, please let me know.
>
>
> - Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 23:38:12 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: early FI, Olds and Caddy

Ah, yes, I've seen the carbed versions.

Also, I think the 368 was available carbureted, and was also available in
8-only form, though I'm really unsure on the latter part of it.

	- Joe "But don't quote me on that" Vahabzadeh

At 11:22 PM 02/13/2004 -0500, Chris wrote:
>The grand majority of the 70s Cadillac engines were carbed. It is a rarity
>and valued in the Cadillac crowd when an EFI 425 or 500 is found. I believe
>all 368s were injected, though, they were also all of the 4-6-8 design.
>

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Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 22:18:24 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Update for stuck 455 valve

> So, what causes backfires when the throttle is sometimes snapped open?


There shouldn't be any, ever, if the engine is sound and the timing correct
and the carb isn't dribbling gas. However, if you're referring to all-out
race engines, it's way too rich at low engine speed in order to be at
stociometric (SP) at WOT from mid-range to shift point. Snapping open the
throttle from idle under no load can flood the race engine. Raw gas can
ignite and kick back.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:19:08 EST
From: Flipx99@wmconnect.com
Subject: Re: The Great Firewall Drill

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>  I'm probably going to try to wiggle through
> where the hood pop cable goes into the cabin...
> 
> Please don't. It will look like trash when you open the door, etc. A good 
> place to drill is near the pedals. To the left as possible. Shine a flashlight 
> through the hole so you'll know where to stick the wire in (unfortunately I 
> had to do this in the dark by flashlight) It is pretty safe. If I had a 
> digital camera I would show pics. If you live in middle TN area I can show you 
> personally.



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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:49:23 -0500
From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: ideal injection time, FI

Chris pretty much hit the nail on the head. All of the TPI Ch*vy engines
were batch fire and to my knowledge everything else except for the GN like
Chris mentioned.
There is supposed to be a slight improvement in torque with SFI but I doubt
its likely to be anything very substantial. Maybe 10-20 or less.
I think the real goal of SFI was drivability, longevity and fuel mileage.

Andrew Geeting
geeting@woh.rr.com
'87 Cutlass Supreme 461
'98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf


> The GNs and newer cars use SFI, sequential fuel injection. I think in the
> 80s, the GN was the only car to use such technology, all others were just
> batch fire injection.
Bottom line, SFI will not get you any more HP/TQ than regular
> batch injection. By the time you're turning more than 3000 rpm or so, the
> computer is basically batch firing the injectors.
> Chris

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:15:24 -0800
From: geo.aigel@netzero.net
Subject: Re: Seat Cover Quality

Dan:

I have a PUI, IIRC, through Original Parts Group in SoCal. Front bench on 
the 71 cutlass convertible. Very nice quality. Installed it myself. Had it 
for over a year, it still looks like new.

George

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 00:39:04 -0800
From: geo.aigel@netzero.net
Subject: megasquirt?

Talking about fuel injection ...

Did we ever discuss this on the olds list?

http://www.megasquirt.info

Anyone used this controller for an installation on an olds? I wish I would 
be retired ... maybe I should give this a shot next winter for the cutlass! 
There is actually folks out there that sell the kit assembled with a 
warranty / test report...

George

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 01:00:36 -0800
From: geo.aigel@netzero.net
Subject: Re: megasquirt?

I am sure with little work, one could have a nice set of fuel rails built 
that would fit both BB and SB aftermarket manifolds. Then have the intake 
machined and find a throttle body that fits - done!

George

At 12:39 AM 2/14/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Talking about fuel injection ...
>
>Did we ever discuss this on the olds list?
>
>http://www.megasquirt.info
>
>Anyone used this controller for an installation on an olds? I wish I would 
>be retired ... maybe I should give this a shot next winter for the 
>cutlass! There is actually folks out there that sell the kit assembled 
>with a warranty / test report...
>
>George
>

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:46:51 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: early FI, Olds and Caddy

> I understand that the 350 Olds engines in the Seville with fuel injection
> was actually a port-fuel injection form.
>
> How about the 500CI, and later 425 and 368 caddy motors?  Were they port
> injection, or throttle-body?

- -------------------

The 500 (dropped after '76) and 425 (dropped after '79) used a port system
vary similar to that on the Seville's Olds 350.  The 368 used a much simpler
TBI.  Same basic TBI system was used on Cadillacs through 1989.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 04:49:35 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: early FI, Olds and Caddy

> I believe
> all 368s were injected, though, they were also all of the 4-6-8 design.

1980 368's were carbureted on the RWD cars, TBI on the Eldorado and Seville.
The 8-6-4 did not come out until 1981.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:30:10 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: of 68/69 choke linkage ........

Hey List,

            I need the number stamped on the choke linkage for
a 68 and a 69 Qjet . I know that they are a bit different. I need the number
stamped on the arm on the side of the carb that the stove rod attaches to
.............
 or a good discription of which is which ............

Tanks,
The General

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:39:21 -0600
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Year One 10% off code

All,
	I got the latest and greatest Y.O. Discount code card in the mail
yesterday.  

"Beginning Monday, and for the next 10 days, Y.O. is holding our annual
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the current retail price of every item in our catalog ~EXCEPT
DISCOUNT-EXEMPT ITEMS."

"And you can save even more with our volume discounts.  A $500.00 order will
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Sales Code:  SP4A

Hurry!  Sale ends February 25, 2004.
1-800-YEAR.ONE

Steve Reed 
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice 
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode) 
'68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine) 
Austin, TX 
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:00:44 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: megasquirt?

> Talking about fuel injection ...
>
> Did we ever discuss this on the olds list?
>
> http://www.megasquirt.info

Yes, it's been discussed before both here and on the GBody list. People have
used the MS for everything from tractors to motorcycles. I have one that
will some day be put on my Delta. Joe Vitek is putting one on a 455. The
Megasquirt Yahoo list is extremely active, there's lots of community support
for it. It's a very viable controller.

drc

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:36:25 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: The Great Firewall Drill

> I started the amp installation today. In other words, I got
> the fusable link installed from the battery.

You mean fuse... not fusible link... I hope.

>I looked for a
> place to get through the firewall, and realized that it was
> going to be a much bigger production than I thought.

Look down the firewall from the engine compartment and you'll see a nice
spot of unobstructed floorboard in the area where the gas pedal linkage
comes through. Measure or eyeball where that is and drill a small hole from
the inside of the car. Then verify from the engine compartment that you're
safe before enlarging the hole. The spot I chose is just above where the
carpet ends. The cable tucks under the carpet and goes to the left side body
wiring channel from behind the kick panel.

drc

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:49:12 -0500
From: Joe Vitek <joevitek@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: megasquirt?

Dave Cullen wrote:
> Yes, it's been discussed before both here and on the GBody list. People have
> used the MS for everything from tractors to motorcycles. I have one that
> will some day be put on my Delta. Joe Vitek is putting one on a 455. The
> Megasquirt Yahoo list is extremely active, there's lots of community support
> for it. It's a very viable controller.

I have two MegaSquirt units (I replaced the one I sold you, Dave) and a
diy-WB02 unit and I have been on the MS yahoo list for almost two years. Both
my MS units are completed and tested. Now all I have to do is rebuild the 455
and 350, get the fuel rails fabbed into my Torker and Holley Street Dominator
manifolds and buy injectors, regulators, throttle bodies, and fuel pumps (and
misc. hardware).

In the words of the now famous Jesse James of Monster Garage fame, "all we
left to do now is everything..."

- --
joe vitek (on the banks of the Merrimack River, Concord, New Hampshire)
http://oldsgmail.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/joevitek/index.htm
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/C3carbhackers/
'83 H/O #2981 of 3001
'81 Supreme (to be FE3-X clone MS'ed road racer)
'72 Kawasaki H1 500cc

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 16:07:17 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: megasquirt?

At 12:39 AM 2/14/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Talking about fuel injection ...
>
>Did we ever discuss this on the olds list?
>
>http://www.megasquirt.info
>
>Anyone used this controller for an installation on an olds? I wish I would 
>be retired ... maybe I should give this a shot next winter for the cutlass! 
>There is actually folks out there that sell the kit assembled with a 
>warranty / test report...

Joe Vitek has built his and will be using it later. Several others have
talked about trying it. There's some discussion about it and other ECM/EFI
issues on the C3CARBHACKER Yahooey group, which is an offshoot of a bunch
of G-body-reflector guys (myself included) working to adapt the 1988+ ECMs
to control larger Olds engines than the original 307s. Keith Miller is
still decoding the PROM code and gotten much of it figgered out. We should
be able to modify the PROMs and perhaps earlier ECMs to allow installation
of 403/425/455s before long.

SteveH

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 09:28:56 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Re: 330 problem

Probably the most basic and most overlooked problem you may have is a 
non-vented gas cap on the tank on the Cutlass. It will run for a while, the 
pump will pull a vacuum in the "sealed" tank, and it will run out of 
fuel.  After being parked for a few hours, the vacuum will subside, 
allowing the car to run again until  it pulls another vacuum. Had  a buddy 
with a new  '65  GTO. Same thing when car was 2 days old.  It even 
collapsed the tank.  It was towed in, dealer replaced the tank but not the 
cap and the same thing happened about 2 days later.  Second tine they 
replaced the tank and cap, problem solved!!  Had it happen to me too on a 
'62 Impala.  Vented cap got dirty or corroded.  Easy fix for me.

Joe Varley
       AZ

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 12:07:55 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: megasquirt?

> of G-body-reflector guys (myself included) working to adapt the 1988+ ECMs
> to control larger Olds engines than the original 307s. Keith Miller is
> still decoding the PROM code and gotten much of it figgered out. We should
> be able to modify the PROMs and perhaps earlier ECMs to allow installation
> of 403/425/455s before long.

- -------------------

Kevin Wong on the Cadillac List has already done most of this as he swapped
a 455 into his 1988 Brougham (originally a 307) and wanted / needed to stay
on the computer.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:21:04 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <64f-85@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 330 problem

Probably the most basic and most overlooked problem you may have is a 
non-vented gas cap on the tank on the Cutlass. It will

Hi Joe,
    But shouldn't the gas cap on a '65 Cutlass be the non-vented type? 
If you used a vented cap on this car wouldn't gas slosh out and clean 
the backside of your license plate :-)
Gene

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:05:34 -0500
From: Joe Vitek <joevitek@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: megasquirt?

Fred Nissen wrote:

> Kevin Wong on the Cadillac List has already done most of this as he swapped
> a 455 into his 1988 Brougham (originally a 307) and wanted / needed to stay
> on the computer.

What Caddy list is that? I would like to get in touch with him to see if he
wouldn't mind sharing info. A lot of the work on the '88 computer has already
been done at our end. Maybe he could help with the last few bits and pieces.

- --
joe vitek (on the banks of the Merrimack River, Concord, New Hampshire)
http://oldsgmail.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/joevitek/index.htm
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/C3carbhackers/
'83 H/O #2981 of 3001
'81 Supreme (to be FE3-X clone MS'ed road racer)
'72 Kawasaki H1 500cc

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:23:54 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: Re: 330 problem

Hello
I agree it maybe lack of fuel or dirty fuel/water(try some methylehydrate in tank to remove water)....but could also be opposite,too much fuel.
Maybe the needle and seat/float in carb is bad?
At start up it dont mind it being rich,,, when driving its useing the extra gas but at idle it floods out,are the plugs wet?
Does the dipstick smell of gas?
Is the level on dip rising?
Drive the car till it sputters and dies and look in carb is it soaked?
And when you activate linkage is there any gas at all squirting,if not maybe Milton is right the sock in tank is plugged?
Disconnect fuel line at pump up frt attach a rubber line to a lower then tank level bucket,blow air in tank inlet and see if fuel will siphon out up frt to see if line and tank is flowing gas.
I sorta miss the 66 cars i werked on :(
Are the points old? are they set at the proper dwell?
Good luck!
Randy H.
Van.B.C.Can.

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:18:14 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Seat Cover Quality

Now that ICP has shut down PUI is the only company making Olds interior sets
AFAIK.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of geo.aigel@netzero.net
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 3:15 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Seat Cover Quality

Dan:

I have a PUI, IIRC, through Original Parts Group in SoCal. Front bench on
the 71 cutlass convertible. Very nice quality. Installed it myself. Had it
for over a year, it still looks like new.

George

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 15:38:39 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: Olds Woody wagons fer sale N.W. Peoples

Hello
I just saw this on the local Olds site....thought maybe someone in the North west would be interested if cars are still available?
Good luck!
Randy H.

I live in Tacoma, and have two 1950 
Olds Woodie Wagons that I'm looking to sell. One is an 88 deluxe and the other is an 88 standard. Neither have run in years, but have 303's w/ 
Hydros. The standard is fairly rusty, the deluxe is a lot better. Both have 98% of the trim.

These are heavy restoration projects, but someone in your club could have the only two in town!!

Given the rareness of these cars (only 2300 built - they made TWICE as many convertibles!!), and how "specialized" they are, I wanted to get in touch 
with some local Olds fanatics to see if there is any interest. They deserve to be restored, but I just don't have the time (I have several other projects in front of them). Fully restored book value on these is over $40K now.

I would be willing to trade for a pretty solid 49-50 Olds fastback or coupe, '51 Super 88 (or other interesting Olds/Buick/Studebaker). I'm asking 
$3,500 cash for the pair. They will be available for viewing after 1/3/04.

I have not advertised them yet, as I thought I would give the local Olds guys first shot. If you know anyone who is interested, please call me at the number below. Leave a message if I don't answer. Please DO NOT RESPOND TO THIS EMAIL. I'm having some computer trouble, and my logon is sporadic.

Thanks Bill. I look forward to talking to you if there is any interest. If I don't hear back, I will advertise them the week of 1/5.

Thanks again!!

Darin Puryear
253-279-2713

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 20:49:05 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Update for stuck 455 valve

At 10:18 PM 2/13/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>> So, what causes backfires when the throttle is sometimes snapped open?
>
>
>There shouldn't be any, ever, if the engine is sound and the timing 
>correct and the carb isn't dribbling gas. However, if you're referring 
>to all-out race engines,

AKA big cams.

>it's way too rich at low engine speed in order to be at stociometric 
>(SP) at WOT from mid-range to shift point. Snapping open the throttle 
>from idle under no load can flood the race engine. Raw gas can ignite 
>and kick back.

That helps explain it sometimes. Timing seems to have a lot to do with it,
too; too far advanced starts getting things a bit skitterish  =======8-O
Most often though, we seemed to get backfires through the carb when things
were too LEAN, not rich.

What was really hairy was when we'd just installed a crossram on our '64
Goat's 389 with a pair of 600 Hooleys; the engine already had a Sig Erson
Hi-R-H2 that made it sound like 8 individual cylinders firing totally at
random  :o) The distributor's vacuum advance canister wouldn't clear the
manifold so we swapped in an all-mechanical dual-point distributor I'd just
set up on a distributor machine at school. Got it started, barely idling at
1500 rpm, snapped the throttle and both carbs spit flames 3 feet high
============8-O  Played with the timing a bit more till it quit spitting
then rolled the throttle open further, and the carbs began spitting one
after the other, flames alternately shooting outta both, just like a
dragster  :o))))))) 

Scared the living heck outta my buddy's mom who was watering the front lawn
and watching us with various horrendous expressions  :o))))  Eventually, I
sorta noticed that when we were playing with intakes and/or carbs, she'd
seem to either drop whatever plant-tendering she was doing, or would come
outta the house, then pick up the hose and start watering the yard. I'm
sure she thought she'd eventually get to play junior fireman sooner or
later  :o))))))))))

AHHhhh, them was the days  ;o)  Try that in most nayborehoods today and the
yuppie SUV/minivan-driving naybores will call the cops on ye fer disturbing
the peace  ;o\

There was a guy down the street from my buddy who had the shell of one the
original all-aluminum '63 403 drag Impalas. He had a ski boat with a blown
426 hemi running on alky. Everytime he fired it up before going to Lake
Havasu, the nayborehood would resonate and shake and shimmy and all the
kids for blocks around would come running to watch and listen to the
monster. I rember one afternoon, my buddy and I were playing with the Goats
and the guy fired up; we couldn't hear any longer so we hadda stop and go
watch. We were walking up the sidewalk when the guy snapped the throttle
and there was this muffled POOOOFF!! and something went shooting into the
sky above the boat, then dead silence. When we got up there, the guy was
staring at the cracked 6-71 that had a hole in the side. Nobody ever did
find that piece that shot out  ;o(  Apparently, something got sucked into
the Hilborns and jammed between one the rotors and the blower case,
stopping the blower dead and punching out the side.

SteveH

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:20:52 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: megasquirt?

> What Caddy list is that? I would like to get in touch with him to see if
he
> wouldn't mind sharing info. A lot of the work on the '88 computer has
already
> been done at our end. Maybe he could help with the last few bits and
pieces.

I'll contact Kevin and see how much time he has to share info.  He is
running the original C3 system and Quadrajet with some modifications to the
carb and PROM on a 455 with a fairly warm cam (warmer than the Mondello
26-18 I like in my big cars).  550 rpm idle, no driveability issues.
Performance comparable to an Impala SS, and decent fuel economy.

Regards,
Fred
>
> --
> joe vitek (on the banks of the Merrimack River, Concord, New Hampshire)
> http://oldsgmail.com/
> http://mywebpages.comcast.net/joevitek/index.htm
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/C3carbhackers/
> '83 H/O #2981 of 3001
> '81 Supreme (to be FE3-X clone MS'ed road racer)
> '72 Kawasaki H1 500cc
>

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 17:45:08 EST
From: AndrewKeys@aol.com
Subject: Wanted: 1968 & 1969 Cutlass

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:52:32 -0800
From: geo.aigel@netzero.net
Subject: Re: megasquirt?

Sounds like nobody really did it on an olds, up to this point. No example 
of a complete EFI build using the megasquirt module. I am looking for 
something that would give you a parts list and even maybe drawings for fuel 
rails etc. While the controller sounds great, one has to figure out which 
other parts work well. E.g. what throttle body and which injectors to get 
out of the yarde! Also, this being a high pressure system, you need to do 
it right...

Cheers, George

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:22:03 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: megasquirt?

> Sounds like nobody really did it on an olds, up to this point. No example
> of a complete EFI build using the megasquirt module. I am looking for
> something that would give you a parts list and even maybe drawings for
fuel
> rails etc. While the controller sounds great, one has to figure out which
> other parts work well. E.g. what throttle body and which injectors to get
> out of the yarde! Also, this being a high pressure system, you need to do
> it right...

- --------------------

Once again, there are a number of people into Cadillacs that have made a
great amount of progress setting up Megasquirt for the 350 Olds FI as used
in the '76-'80 Seville and the similar system used on the '76 500 and
'77-'79 425 Cadillac engines.  The big issue with the original system is not
the hardware, it is the primitive analog controller.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 18:48:49 -0600
From: "Branson Sparks" <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
Subject: Re: The Great Firewall Drill

*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
> You mean fuse... not fusible link... I hope.
Actually, it's a fuse holder that came with the amp install
kit.

Thanks so much for your response, Dave. It's goin' in
tomorrow.



- --Branson

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:00:39 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 330 problem

Of course, I forgot all about that. Someone else on the list had the same
problem a couple of months ago. My brain's slipping. That may very well be
the exact problem.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe & Gloria Varley" <carcouple@cox.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: 330 problem


> Probably the most basic and most overlooked problem you may have is a
> non-vented gas cap on the tank on the Cutlass. It will run for a while,
the
> pump will pull a vacuum in the "sealed" tank, and it will run out of
> fuel.  After being parked for a few hours, the vacuum will subside,
> allowing the car to run again until  it pulls another vacuum. Had  a buddy
> with a new  '65  GTO. Same thing when car was 2 days old.  It even
> collapsed the tank.  It was towed in, dealer replaced the tank but not the
> cap and the same thing happened about 2 days later.  Second tine they
> replaced the tank and cap, problem solved!!  Had it happen to me too on a
> '62 Impala.  Vented cap got dirty or corroded.  Easy fix for me.
>
> Joe Varley
>        AZ
>

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