
oldsmobile-digest      Friday, January 23 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4752



Re: Por 15
Re: new parts manufacturer
Re: new parts manufacturer
Re: Por 15
Barrett Jackson Auction
Re: Oldsnuts nominate best/ worst buys
Re: Por 15
Re: Installing Rear Seatbelts in a 1965 442? How to?
Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)
Re: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)
RE: Barrett Jackson Auction
Re: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)
Rebuilding Q Jet
Re: new parts manufacturer
RE: Por 15 [paint rubbery, putty?]
Re: Rebuilding Q Jet
Re: Rebuilding Q Jet
RE: Por 15
Re: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)
RE: new parts manufacturer
Re: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)
Re: Por 15
RE: Oldsnuts nominate best/ worst buys [Costco jack]
RE: 64-67 A-body clutch bellcrank frame bracket
RE: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)
Re: 64-67 A-body clutch bellcrank frame bracket
In search of...
Re: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)
Re: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)
Re: Comp Cams Rocker Kit Pushrods
RE: Oldsnuts nominate best/ worst buys [Costco jack]
Re: Por 15
RE: Por 15
RE: Barrett Jackson Auction
You rock, vigorously

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:28:47 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Por 15

> Sandblasted, clean metal is exactly what POR-15 does NOT bond to; they
even
> have a metal etching solution to prep a clean metal surface. It's all
> explained in the instructions: clean metal is a NO-NO.


I will clarify. I know that.

Sandblast to remove the rust, and then use the POR metal conditioner on the
clean metal to give the POR 15 a zinc phosphate surface to grab hold of. The
metal conditioner is a dilute form of a zinc/phosphate acid parkerizing
solution, that will work cold, instead of the 200F required for a true
parkerizing solution. (I parkerize firearms. I know this and how it works. I
could have used my concentrated zinc parkerizing solution instead of the POR
metal conditioner, if I'd known that was what it was before I ordered it.)

I did ***all*** of the correct steps to prep, as per the POR instructions,
and then painted my window channels with POR 15 primer and then black color,
and the POR 15 black lifted from the POR primer when the rear window was
re-installed. We hadn't re-installed the front windshield, so I got the
pleasure of blasting everything out with aluminum oxide to bare metal. What
I found amazing was the DevCon industrial epoxy steel putty that I used to
plug the rusted through spots refused removal with the aluminum oxide, but
the POR 15 black ripped right off. The POR primer mostly stuck, but I
removed it all anyway. The bare metal surface then got a thin coat of DevCon
industrial epoxy steel *liquid*, and then a double overcoat of Rustoleum
Damp Red Rust Proof primer. The new surface of the window channels was now
as hard as steel, and the windows went in and sealed perfectly. No more
problems. When MAACO did the paint job, everything worked fine.

I will use up my POR 15 on the floor boards and spare tire well of the Vista
Cruiser. I think the stuff will work there, along with a fiberglass mat
backup. However, I will *never* use POR 15 in a window channel, ever again.
I can't trust it for that application.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 03:21:41 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: new parts manufacturer

At 05:18 PM 1/22/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>I was just contacted by a company that makes all sorts of engine & tranny
>parts such as dipstick tubes, pulleys, linkages, and z-bars. They are
>currently doing Mustang parts but want to expand into GM. They want to start
>by making things that nobody else does. Any requests?

425 manual transmission cranks?  :o)))))

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 20:54:28 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: new parts manufacturer

Greg,

> Or (sorry, not engine related), rear disc brakes for a 1958 Olds. 'Still
> haven't found a retofit kit!


Maybe, maybe not. Go to:
http://www.wilwood.com/

Click on "brake kits" and you will get this:
http://www.wilwood.com/products/kits/kits.asp

Click on "Dynalite Drag Race Rear Axle Kits" and you will get this:
http://www.wilwood.com/products/kits/radk/index.asp

Click on "Click Here to See the Housing Flange Diagram."
http://www.wilwood.com/products/kits/radkdwg2.gif

You will get a diagram that shows 10 different rear axle housing brake
backing plate mounting flanges. One is for Olds/Pontiac. The flange is
specifically for a '59-'64 Olds/Pontiac rear axle, one of the strongest rear
axle systems ever made, ***but*** that flange diagram may match the brake
backing plate mounting flange on your '58 Olds axle housing. If it does,
I'll bet Wilwood can set you up with a rear disc brake system for your '58
Olds. It's more than worth a shot.

Since Hurst/Airheart disc brakes disappeared from the racing scene about 13
years ago, Wilwood has taken over as being the best of the best for custom
disc brakes.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 03:59:23 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Por 15

At 08:28 PM 1/22/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>I will use up my POR 15 on the floor boards and spare tire well of 
>the Vista Cruiser. I think the stuff will work there, along with a 
>fiberglass mat backup. However, I will *never* use POR 15 in a window 
>channel, ever again. I can't trust it for that application.

That may be. I was surprised someone else said the putty was almost like
rubber. I wonder whether the flexing of the channel with the windshield
caused the POR-15 paint to lift off the putty?

I'm gonna try using the putty and some mat material to seal the small holes
above the heater in the firewall of my Elky. I'll also use the mat to
rebuild the door sill area although if I trusted myself, I'd rather weld
that... may still try welding it, in fact. The holes in the door sill area
can be seen at the end of the 3rd row and start of the 4th row of pix here:
http://members.dandy.net/~k0xp/Oldsmobile/elky/84elky.htm

A new floorpan won't help as the area is right against the door sill at the
very edge of the floor pan. And the rest of the floor pan is good except
some very small pinholes around the driver's seat belt area that will get
the POR-15 putty. I still have to evaluate the damage to the seat belt area
from underneath but from the appearance, it looks like the rust began on
top due to the holes above the heater box, which let lots of water into the
passenger's side floor area (and interestingly, I've yet to find ANY
rusting in the passenger's side). I won't be able to get to the underneath
of the door sill floorpan edge until the body is lifted from the frame, as
those two holes are right above the frame (which can be seen through the
holes from the top).

Then there's the whole question of replacing the entire rear half of the
frame  ;o((((

SteveH

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:03:53 -0500
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Barrett Jackson Auction

Watching the auction on Speed Vision. They just sold a 69 442 W-32
convertible for $64,000.00
Wonder if a list member bought it.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:10:29 -0500
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsnuts nominate best/ worst buys

From: "Cliff Simpson" <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>


 Either:
>     a) the people you knew still needed their sport wheels to hide their
> drugs.
>
>     b) the people you knew didn't have sport wheels to hide their drugs
in.
>
>     I can see no other logical explanation :)

Cliff,How about c) Don't know the right people
The last 69 sport wheel I saw on Evilbay sold for $450.00. Haven't seen one
since.-

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:16:54 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Por 15

> I wonder whether the flexing of the channel with the windshield
> caused the POR-15 paint to lift off the putty?


No. The guys at National Glass had healthy skepticism about my use of the
POR 15. So, since they were going to use the OEM 3/8" butyl rubber window
sealing rope for the rear window, they cut a piece about 24" long, laid it
in the window channel on top of the freshly cured POR 15 black, pressed it
in with a trowel as if the window was pressing in on it, and tried to lift
the rope up off the window channel. **All** of the POR 15 black debonded
from the POR primer and lifted off with the butyl sealing rope. The POR 15
black obviously failed. National wasn't going to install a window over that,
and I fully agreed. I took the car home and redid the entire window
channels. I wasn't happy. However, when I brought the car back, with red
Rustoleum over DevCon industrial epoxy, the National Glass guys grinned and
fully approved. They knew that would work fine.

Live and learn. You're never too ancient.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 22:29:31 -0800
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: Re: Installing Rear Seatbelts in a 1965 442? How to?

Thanks very much Milton. I'll have to check my car when it's back from Paint
to see if they nuts are there!

Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 21:26:29 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Installing Rear Seatbelts in a 1965 442? How to?

> How would one go about installing rear seatbelts in a 1965 Cutlass 442? I
> want to add them for safety and I assume it's not as easy as drilling at
> tapping some holes.


Actually, it's even easier than that. Pull the rear seat out and look at the
rear floor pan vary carefully. There should be a set of factory welded in
reinforced nuts in the floor pan for 3 sets of rear seat belts. Rear seat
belts were an option. As an example, our '65 F-85 4-door was factory
equipped with 3 pairs of rear seat belts, an order option.

If for some reason those bolt bosses aren't there, holes can be drilled
through the floor pan for the seat belt bolts. On the underside of the floor
pan, a 3" round steel washer, 1/8" thick, would be used for extra strength
backup. Use a 1/4" thick steel washer, if that would give you more
confidence. Use grade 8 bolts to mount the seat belts.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:22:39 -0800
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)

Hey everyone - I've posted a couple of questions to the list and I realized
I never introduced myself so I figured I would share my story since you all
seem to know each other and love Oldsmobiles!

My name is Albert Penello and I live in Kirkland, WA. My car is a 1-owner
1965 Olds 442 Holiday Coupe. The reason that I know it's a 1-owner car is
because the original owner is my Dad, Albert Penello, Sr. who bought the car
new in the summer of 1965 from an Olds dealership in Burlingame, California.

The car was a dealer showroom car that was pretty much a stripper for drag
racing. I understand it's a pretty rare-optioned car; It's a holiday coupe,
with the Muncie 4-spd and center console with tach, 4:11 dealer-installed
posi rear-end, and the chrome wheel option. It had the AM radio and even
came equipped only with single-speed wipers! And no windshield washer
system!

Back in the day my dad swapped the quadrajet carb for a Holley 850 CFM that
he converted to mechanical secondaries. He still has the original carb in a
box somewhere that only stayed on for about 6 months.

The car was his dream car and he drag raced it, proposed to my mom in it,
and drove it every day until the summer of 1984 when he was hit in the rear
end by a dump truck. With a 12 year old son, and the pressures of family he
couldn't justify the cost of repairs, and my Dad is really particular about
stuff, and the damage to the car just wouldn't make it "original" any more,
so he put it in a barn. Before doing so, he did go out and have 1/4 of
another wrecked 442 cut away if he ever wanted to fix it. And when I say 1/4
of a car - I mean a QUARTER of a car. He got way more material then he
needed.

Flash forward 19 years later, this past February, when he called me out of
the blue and asked me if I wanted it. This was a monumental event in my
family because we NEVER spoke about the car. It was like a beloved childhood
dog or a brother lost at war; still sitting in the barn, wasting away, but
my dad could never bring himself to get rid of it. And the car had
deteriorated to the point where he couldn't afford to fix it. 

At any rate, it was a pretty big deal and I immediately jumped at it. I
always wanted that car as a kid, and I'd dreamed about restoring it someday;
so I flew down to CA, spent the weekend with my dad digging the car out of
the barn, pulling the old quarter of the Cutlass out from under a tree where
it was buried with dirt and had flowers and weeds growing out of it, and put
it on a trailer.

My two favorite stories from that weekend. First, was trying to find the
keys. My mom and I looked EVERYWHERE, pulling boxes out of storage, looking
in old desks, looking in my grandparents old stuff, looking in jewelry boxes
and nightstands. After about 2 or 3 hours of searching, you know where the
keys were? On my Dad's keychain in his pocket. He had totally forgotten but
those keys had been with him for 20 years. He told me, "That tells you how
important this car is to me. I've kept those keys on me the whole time and
didn't even realize it."

The second story was putting air in the tires. The car had been in a barn
with old oil, chemicals, etc. and had lumber around it. The tires were shot,
flat to the ground with huge gashes in them where the rubber had totally
cracked and deteriorated. I was thinking, "Crap, I'm going to have to get
under this thing, put it on jack stands and take the wheels off, and then
have new tires put on these crappy wheels. What a waste of money." My dad
says "C'mon, let's just put air in them. They'll air up." I tell him
"BULLS**T! These things are shot. No freaking way." But my Dad lumbers off
and pulls out the airhose, and proceeds to air up every tire. And sure
enough, each one rose up and held air. I was floored. He looks up at me,
smiles, and says "I think she wants to see the open road again, son."

And you know what? Those tires held air as we pushed it out of the barn, up
the trailer, all the way from CA to Washington, rolled it off and put it in
my garage. 3 months later when I got the engine running, I drove it around
the block ON THOSE tires and never put more air in them.

Since then, I've worked almost every weekend on the car, like adding Disc
brakes, getting the engine running, new bushings, etc. etc. And I'm putting
a Custom Autosound stereo instead of the old AM radio. Little things like
that. A new set of heads with roller-rockers and maybe a fresh cam, and a
new Holley 750 CFM double-pumper to better match the engine. Basically some
little things to make the car "mine" - but every step my Dad's been involved
because I want his input on every change. 

At any rate, I've spent the last year getting the car going again. Lots of
Year One, Fusick and Supercars orders and way too much time on Ebay getting
parts! It's almost back from paint and I can start re-assembly. I think the
car will be completely done in March, so it will have taken me a little over
a year to complete (fingers crossed!)

For those with an internet connection and some time, I've documented my
progress so far with pictures. They are named and dated by event, but listed
alphabetically so they're out of order. You should definitely look at the
series called "In the Barn" because that's what it looked like when we
started.

www.albertpenello.com/442

Anyway sorry for the opus - I figured if any group of people had interest in
a story about an old 442, it would be this crowd.

Thanks!

Albert

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 05:00:45 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <64f-85@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)

>Anyway sorry for the opus - I figured if any group of people had interest in
>a story about an old 442, it would be this crowd.
>
>  
>
Hi Albert,
    We are suckers for stories such as yours :-)
Welcome to the list,
Gene

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:01:16 -0500
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: Barrett Jackson Auction

I believe that was Lenny Kravitz's car.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '99 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Dan Roethel
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 11:04 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Barrett Jackson Auction
>
>
> Watching the auction on Speed Vision. They just sold a 69 442 W-32
> convertible for $64,000.00
> Wonder if a list member bought it.
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:29:37 -0500
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)

I thinik Genes right too. I always got time for a story, hell I might 
even pen a few of my own one day. Oldsmobiles Rock!!!! lol

paulbunyan

64f-85@comcast.net wrote:

>
>> Anyway sorry for the opus - I figured if any group of people had 
>> interest in
>> a story about an old 442, it would be this crowd.
>>
>>  
>>
> Hi Albert,
>    We are suckers for stories such as yours :-)
> Welcome to the list,
> Gene
>

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:37:04 -0500
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Rebuilding Q Jet

Fellow Listers,
I have rebuilt a couple of other carbs in the past few weeks. I started 
off with an Autolite 2100, then I did the Autolite 4300 on my 73 Lincoln 
Continental. I have a Q jet off of a 1975 GM truck. My question is...if 
I wanted to rebuild it, would it just bolt right up to my olds and run 
ok? I am going to pickup that book on Rochestor carbs as soon as I get 
off work but I figgered Id ask you all 1st. Also are there any common 
problems associated with Q jet rebuilds? I took the one I got from the 
truck apart already like 4 or 5 times to get an idea of how Q jets work. 
I plan on rebuilding the one on my car 2nd. I wanted to rebuild this one 
of the truck first so that if I break anything at least I dont have to 
worry about breaking my carb learning

paulbunyan

p.s. Is there anyone out there who needs a 73 F250 360, 75 F100 
Seriously BUILT 390, or a 1980 F100 302. All these trucks run and are 
able to be driven home. the 73 needs brake work, the 75 needs nothing, 
the 1980 needs a choke and a real main seal. Anyone interested in 
trading these for a good 455 or if somebody wants to buy one of em 
*gasp* lol send me an email

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 07:57:45 -0500
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: new parts manufacturer

LOWER CONTROL ARMS FOR 1970 OLDS 98s!!!!

I reapeat

LOWER CONTROL ARMS FOR 1970 OLDS 98s!!!!

I have broken 2 so far in 2 yrs and have not found anybody who makes 
them new yet. Everytime I see an Olds in the junkyard thats the first 
thing I look for after checking the engine to see whats going on under 
there. As a mattdr of fact im going to the junkyard this weekend. Im 
going for the Lincoln (my olds is sitting in need of a motor right now)  
to get a passenger side window.

paulbunyan



mark@marineaviation.org wrote:

> I'll take one of everything, please.
>
> M
>
> At 05:18 PM 1/22/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>
>> I was just contacted by a company that makes all sorts of engine & 
>> tranny
>> parts such as dipstick tubes, pulleys, linkages, and z-bars. They are
>> currently doing Mustang parts but want to expand into GM. They want 
>> to start
>> by making things that nobody else does. Any requests?
>>
>> John Nasta
>> Old Car Network
>> http://oldcarnetwork.com
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:17:33 -0500
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Por 15 [paint rubbery, putty?]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Harrison [mailto:k0xp@dandy.net]
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 10:59 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Por 15
> 
> 
> That may be. I was surprised someone else said the putty was 
> almost like rubber. 

I believe that was me, and what I was referring to was the POR
15 basecoat (the company also manufactures a top coat
specifically made to adhere to the high gloss surface of the
base coat).

The "rubber like" reference was based on leaving about a half
inch deep amount of the basecoat in a plastic cup and then
coming back a week or so later after it completely hardened.
It was somewhat flexible and had a rubbery feel.  In one of
the documents provided with any POR15 order, the company shows
the coating applied to a coil suspension spring with a claim that
it will not peel off even in that application.

That the coating was rubbery surprised me a little at first (I
thought it was just a really hard coating) but made perfect
sense as a way to paint over rust (as the company claims can be
done). The rubber "seals" the rust stopping one of the
ingredients required to oxidize metal - oxygen.

I have no experience with the putty.

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:24:59 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Rebuilding Q Jet

Hey List,

        A few  of points ........
The aluminum bases tend to warp ~ slightly~ and should be trued 
The primary throttle shaft bores are almost always warn and should
have bronze bushings installed
The air horn (top plate) is often warped due to over tighteneing of the
front bolts - the fuel bowl is also "squished"
The plugs in the bottom of the fuel bowl should be epoxied in place
(covered in DR's book)
The plastic ring that holds the power piston in place often has shrunk
and should be replaced
Use a Delco or Borg Warner kit if available
Clean, clean , clean then clean .......

Just my thoughts,
The General       patton442@verizon.net

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:26:16 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Rebuilding Q Jet

  chevy carbs use side fed fuel inlet  the olds  inlet is  straight.
  there may be a issue with what base to use. as the carbs may apear to be the same some to be the
same,there may be some casting differences.
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Paul White" <oldslist@netscape.net>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 7:37 AM
  Subject: Rebuilding Q Jet


  > Fellow Listers,
  > I have rebuilt a couple of other carbs in the past few weeks. I started
  > off with an Autolite 2100, then I did the Autolite 4300 on my 73 Lincoln
  > Continental. I have a Q jet off of a 1975 GM truck. My question is...if
  > I wanted to rebuild it, would it just bolt right up to my olds and run
  > ok? I am going to pickup that book on Rochestor carbs as soon as I get
  > off work but I figgered Id ask you all 1st. Also are there any common
  > problems associated with Q jet rebuilds? I took the one I got from the
  > truck apart already like 4 or 5 times to get an idea of how Q jets work.
  > I plan on rebuilding the one on my car 2nd. I wanted to rebuild this one
  > of the truck first so that if I break anything at least I dont have to
  > worry about breaking my carb learning
  >
  > paulbunyan
  >
  > p.s. Is there anyone out there who needs a 73 F250 360, 75 F100
  > Seriously BUILT 390, or a 1980 F100 302. All these trucks run and are
  > able to be driven home. the 73 needs brake work, the 75 needs nothing,
  > the 1980 needs a choke and a real main seal. Anyone interested in
  > trading these for a good 455 or if somebody wants to buy one of em
  > *gasp* lol send me an email
  >
  >

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:30:40 -0500
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Por 15

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Infinite Space Systems, Inc. [mailto:imp@theriver.com]
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 1:17 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Por 15
> 
> in with a trowel as if the window was pressing in on it, and 
> tried to lift the rope up off the window channel. **All** of
> the POR 15 black debonded from the POR primer and lifted off
> with the butyl sealing rope. The POR 15 black obviously
> failed. National wasn't going to install a window over that,

Just to clarify, according to the POR15 documentation, the top
coat is only required to protect the primer from UV exposure
because the primer is not UV stabilized.  If the area being
protected is not exposed to sunlight (under butyl for instance)
the top coat is not required.

I agree with Milton about being concerned with the bond between
the top coat and the primer.  The primer dries to such a high
gloss, it is amazing that anything can stick to it.  In fact,
in the POR documents it states that if anything other than
their brand of top coat is used, the surface must be scuffed
to aid in adhesion.

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:35:43 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)

nice story,
glad to see youre so motivated with restoreing the car.
its come a long way
just think one day you can pass it down
take care 
ron

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:40:29 -0500
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: new parts manufacturer

All pulleys, dipstick tubes and brackets for a '69 350 and a 455, please!
I'd much rather have new than trying to restore the originals.

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI


> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Nasta [mailto:email@johnnasta.com]
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 5:18 PM
> To: Olds Mailing List; Chevelle List
> Subject: new parts manufacturer
> 
> 
> I was just contacted by a company that makes all sorts of 
> engine & tranny
> parts such as dipstick tubes, pulleys, linkages, and z-bars. They are
> currently doing Mustang parts but want to expand into GM. 
> They want to start
> by making things that nobody else does. Any requests?
> 
> John Nasta
> Old Car Network
> http://oldcarnetwork.com
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:38:44 -0500
From: "Mike Evans" <mevans@jasnetworks.net>
Subject: Re: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)

Hi, Albert,

Welcome!  Awesome story that I can fully appreciate...even though my car
only sat in storage for 13 years. ;-)

Cars like yours and mine just can't be duplicated.  They seem to have a life
and personality all of their own!

Mike Evans
Richland, MI
'76 Cutlass S/461
www.time-save.com/cutlass.htm

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:22 AM
Subject: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)


> Hey everyone - I've posted a couple of questions to the list and I
realized
> I never introduced myself so I figured I would share my story since you
all
> seem to know each other and love Oldsmobiles!

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:46:18 -0500
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: Por 15

Milton,
  Where can I find DevCon?
john orr
67 cutlass supreme

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:48:23 -0500
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Oldsnuts nominate best/ worst buys [Costco jack]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cliff Simpson [mailto:csimpson@ucalgary.ca]
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 1:32 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Oldsnuts nominate best/ worst buys
>
[Snip]
 
> Most lusted after:
>     1) aluminum floor jack at Costco,

Every time (and I mean EVERY TIME) I go to Costco (probably once
every other week - I have kids in diapers) I drool over that
thing.  Chris Witt seems to like his from National and I think
it was only $130.  Might have to look into that.  Working on my
cars in the garage with the door closed (2 degrees last night -
BRRRRR) and trying to move the solid steel floor jack around
really makes you long for the weight savings of Aluminum.

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:01:20 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: 64-67 A-body clutch bellcrank frame bracket

Set the engine in place with the z bar square with the engine pivot and go 
from there if you can't find any measurments.  My 70 has the bracket bolted 
down and the 67 should be similar.  There may be bolt holes on the top of 
the frame.  It should be easy to figure out with the parts in place.



Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser





>From: OLDSmobility <oldsmobility@cableone.net>
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: 64-67 A-body clutch bellcrank frame bracket
>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 21:09:13 -0600
>
>What's the proper procedure to locate the correct spot to weld a '64-'67 
>A-body clutch bellcrank frame bracket to the frame?
>
>

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:09:07 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)

Albert, welcome to the list!  A great story like that in never too long!


Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:32:24 -0500
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: 64-67 A-body clutch bellcrank frame bracket

  just got done doing mine, it's a lot easier then you might think, I got
the placement out of the CSM the only tuff part is the inerfender is in the
way
to get the welding done, this can be 1 removed, or 2 just pull the
inerfender out a bit, then clean and paint, use rubber mallet to put the
inerfender back in place, then clean and paint it if needed.
john
67 cutlass supreme

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:35:54 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: In search of...

'92 88 speaker grille.

Listers,

One of out stellar technicians busted this part on a customers car.  Our elderly customer is pitching a royal fit.  Part is discontinued from GM and the customer wants us to "tell GM to make him one".  I've checked about half a dozen local yards and no one says they can help me.  I suspect it has alot more to do with the weather and yard conditions than it does with actual availability.

Can someone on the list help me find:

1992 Olds 88 LS left front inside door panel speaker grille.  '93 is the same.  Our color is gray, but we're not being fussy about that - we can paint it.  Must be unbroken.  If it is a yard and they require the entire panel to be purchased, we can do that, tho I don't know how thrilled we would be about the shipping charge.

Please help me make an old grouch happy! :)

Hit me off the list if you can help.

Thanks,

Paul

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 09:37:24 -0500
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)

Albert,

Welcome to the list, and that is a great Olds story!!!  Good luck with your
continuing efforts and let us know when you get some more pictures up.

Rob
Free Olds classifieds and Olds car registry at www.allolds.com
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)


> Hey everyone - I've posted a couple of questions to the list and I
realized
> I never introduced myself so I figured I would share my story since you
all
> seem to know each other and love Oldsmobiles!

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 06:36:39 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)

Welcome to the list Albert.

It's great to here the story of another Olds being brought back to life. I too have a car that was stored for nearly two
decades.haven't done much too it except rebuild the motor (due to leaking seals and gaskets). I also put a coat of paint
on the exterior to protect the car for a few more years until it can be properly restored.

Here's a link if your interested. http://members.shaw.ca/kcolund/oldsmobile.htm

Kevin :o)

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 08:17:40 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Comp Cams Rocker Kit Pushrods

The discussion of the length of the push rods supplied in the Comp Cams kit has been devoid of any mention of the various things that can affect the push rod length needed to achieve the proper valve train geometry. Different engines will have different stack up tolerances (that can be severely affected by any machining work), and therefore will need different length push rods. Block deck milling, head milling, valve seat grinding, valve spring pocket machining, valve stem length, head gasket thickness, and the rocker arm itself can lead to the need for different length push rods. I have always been instructed that the push rod length must be determined using an adjustable push rod after the engine is assembled so that the proper valve train geometry can be achieved. Simply installing a generic set of push rods for an Olds application is akin to buying a new carb, bolting it on and expecting the engine to run properly without any jetting or tuning. Sure, it will work, but it won't work correctly (unless you are very lucky).

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:31:18 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Oldsnuts nominate best/ worst buys [Costco jack]

>Working on my cars in the garage with the door closed (2 degrees
>last night - BRRRRR)

Hey, same here! (far northwest Chicagoland). BTW, have you all checked your 
tire pressures recently? You really should...

>and trying to move the solid steel floor jack around
>really makes you long for the weight savings of Aluminum.

Plus, the lightweight thing will roll over little chips and debris that the 
heavy ol' steel jack will push ahead of it, which invariably jams one or 
more wheels and puts long scrapes into the concrete as it grinds the chips 
into grit.

- -- Andy (who otherwise does love his big ol' steel Sears trolley jack, one 
of the dark-green-and-white monsters they used to sell)

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:45:25 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Por 15

http://www.magnetpaints.com/underbody.asp

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:49:45 -0600
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Subject: RE: Por 15

- -----Original Message-----
Then there's the whole question of replacing the entire rear half of the
frame  ;o((((

SteveH

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I'm mapping out the very same idea for my daily driven (403 +0.030
powered) '82 Toronado.  I'll need provisions for the frame to body
mounts included in the plan.  The Toro's frame rails are rotten behind
the wheels.  (Things weren't improved last week by a covert Delta force
assault on the rear bumper from a 16 year old in her Dad's new mini-van
:))).  As there are no clean Toro frames nearby (in Manitoba) I'll cut
off the rear rails (shock mounts back) and make a tube frame to graft to
the stubs sometime next spring.  BTW I like POR 15 for frame work, its
all over my '50 Oldsmotruck's rails and 4 years later - no evidence of
further progressive oxidation.

Cold?  Yesterday was -45C (around -43 F) with the wind (about -35C
ambient).  That's cold enough to freeze the radials so hard that they
"bump" on the slight flat spot where the car sat overnight.  The
block-heater on the 403 is holding its own though.  Seeing a lot of dead
Tempo's, one T.U. Mercedes, a few calved Hondas with busted/frozen
radiators.  I love my Toro in this weather.

Cheers,
Ian Dixon
(Winnipeg.. .spring is coming soon right?)

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:54:12 -0600
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Subject: RE: Barrett Jackson Auction

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Kurt

I believe that was Lenny Kravitz's car.
++++++++++

Kravitz, Kravitz...hmm, did he work with Perry Como? :)
Ian

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:04:08 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: You rock, vigorously

List:
For your amusement
[CAUTION- TACT FREE ZONE- almost took the gloves off for this hoser]
Background: This feller appointed himself Chief eBay Ad Inspector and 
commenced to tell me how to run my ads.
Below is his latest, with my reply.

Format:
>his text fwd'd
=============     <=  line of ='s to separate
CW: [my replies]
Chris

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>From: tonwald@ties.k12.mn.us
>To: rocketscience442@hotmail.com
>Subject: Question from eBay Member
>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:54:19 PST
>
>
>To member:   *the*rocketscientist
>From member: antonmw
- -----------------------------------------------
>Well I figured you would just go away if I ignored you, but I guess I will 
>lower myself to your level one more time to help you out on your pricing.
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CW: That's one way to look at it I guess. You _think that_ you are well 
above me at my level, huh? OK, that explains a lot.


>Okay...a full size 4-speed impala console...nice piece too.  Hmmm  A 
>"Rocket scientist" Would do the math here....Just how many impala's came 
>with consoles....then how many of those were 4-speeds?  Hence your price.
>How many cutlasses came with consoles....a far bit more. How many are 
>incomplete and busted?  Hence my letter
============
CW: "Nice piece"? Look at the close pix, sir. It's not THAT nice.
That's THE Rocket Scientist, to you, by the way.
   Very few Impala's with 4-spd consoles = very few buyers need one. Double 
edged sword, eh? 3-spd MT cars are rare, that does not make them _valuable_. 
Think about it.
  What seems to escape your attention, to this day, is the fact that the 
Olds console was/is PERFECT except for the missing parts, which are readily 
available new and prefect. Every used one I have ever seen has a broken/ 
mangled/ cobbled up lid hinge. Many follks feel their car is worth putting a 
PERFECT console in.
   I will have no trouble getting what I want for the Olds console, it'll 
just take some time. As you may not have noticed, eBay is a very dynamic 
environment, with different buyers and items/ sellers every week. When the 
right buyer needs the console, he will pay what it takes. Much like the #6 
heads that recently sold. And the W-31 Harmonic balancer. And the rebuilt 
TH400 x4 or so. And the forged crank, etc., ad infinitum.



>Rocket science? You be the judge.  You seemed obsessed with my knowledge 
>and I appreciate that.
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CW: Well, I see it as just having fun by poking fun at you now. Since you 
appointed yourself the Chief Arbiter of All Things eBay, I thought, heck, 
why not run _all_ my auctions past him and get his blessings then? Save you 
the hassle of having to track down all my ads and find each problem so that 
you can interrupt your busy "life" to alert me to the "problems" in your oh 
so tactful manner.


>As far as your selling tact?  Well I work with a few Olds 
>enthusiasts....They all go on Ebay....And they all think you are a joke.
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CW: Yeah, ALL of them, I bet. Sure. Maybe you might consider getting back on 
your medication, sir. Is that a tactful way to say that you "ain't playing 
with a full deck"?



The minute they see a sale ending in $...44.20, or $..19.68 or $4.42 etc, 
they as well as me skip over it, or look at it for a good laugh.
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CW: Hey, I do not force anyone to bid, or even look at my auctions. In fact, 
several pinheads are on the banned bidder list, because they are nothing but 
trouble. Say, YOU are in that club, now, aren't you?! Huh, go fiugure. 
Oooops, lack of tact showing again. :-)  Then again, some folks just don't 
deserve the courtesy of _tactful_ responses.
  I have a great deal of fun playing with the numbers, on eBay and 
elsewhere. Why NOT throw in a 442 here and there? Hopefully on Chevy parts 
it gets the buyer thinking Olds, thinking RIGHT. :-)



Now if the consensus is like that among these guys...Just think what it is 
nation wide...Oh wait...just look at those sales ya sent me!  Maybe you 
should change your name from *The* Rocket Scientist" to *The* relister!  
Lots of no bids! :)
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CW: You are not all that ebay-savvy, are you? It shows, a lot. Pretty much 
every comment from you, and indeed your actions that started this witty 
reparte'... stem from your severe lack of insight to the intricacies of 
ebaying for fun and profit.
   Many times I do not really WANT to sell an item, I just want the readers 
to know what ELSE I have on hand. Then we go from there. Besides, I can 
easily re-list with a lower price later. If the readers see fit to buy it at 
the offered price, so be it. It still boils down to just one thing- 'tain't 
none of your freakin' BIZNESS, now, is it? Especially since you will not be 
_buying_ anything from me.



>Your brother is right, Octania......Be fair, sell fair and you will come 
>out ahead in the long run.
============
CW: How's that? What, pray tell, do you consider fair? Would you have me 
sell the perfect console for $50? Puh-lease. Great thing about America- if 
you don't like the price, take your big bag o' money to the next vendor down 
the line. I am certainly glad that I am not bound to run my show by your 
rules. It seems you imagine your influence to be much greather than it 
actually is- what do they call that? "Delusions of Grandeur" ?  A recurring 
theme with you.


Looks like you got a few friends on ROP too...or is that few friends.
===========
CW: Oh, what a surprise, you frequent that bastion of cleverness.
here's a few of this week's contributions:
.......
1/24/04, ROP.com:
Everything I have bought from Chris has been as described. Not a single 
hassle. He was the only one that came through for me on dowel pins for my 
timing cover. Not even GM has them anymore !!
Thanks Chris....
The heads look great now !!
[NOTE- those would be THE #4 heads that got Mr. Trick's panties in a knot 
and caused him to refer to me as "a schmuck", which drew me out of lurk mode 
to settle that score. Another happy BUYER. Key word- BUY]
olds403
+++++++++++++++++++++++
Just wanted to pass along a good experience. I purchased a couple water 
pumps and a pair of hood hinges from Chris Witt. They arrived safe and 
sound, in a VERY timely fashion and exactly as Chris described via email. I 
wouldn't hesitate buying from him again. Thanks Chris!!!
Chris Smetana
gloryrestoparts@yahoo.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
and, from the email list:
Best Buy - Anything (and he's got A LOT of stuff) purchased from Chris
Witt.  Excellent communication, fair price, superb packaging and parts
that meet or exceed expectations.  Thanks Chris!
Tom Bejma
+++++++++++++++++++++++++
.
So, apparently your experience with Chris varies depending on whether you 
are a BUYer or a cheapskate troublemaker with mental problems. Oh, damn, 
where's that can of Hi-tact? :-)



>I have a life....
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CW: Wouldn't guess it by your actions.


good one too...You would like my cars too.  All very nice. Wanna taste?  2 
1970 w-30's, one is a post coupe in the famly since new, unrestored perfect 
with 59k, the other a totally loaded ragtop...A 65 jetstar 88....factory 
4-speed..Dad bought new....I have some others such as a 84 hurst, 87 442 
with 20k, a cutlass drag car....and tons of parts car beaters, but thats 
another time...or e-bay sale
===========
CW: Wow, that was GREAT! Please, I hope we can share a few more of your 
fantasies and dreams when we get together at the National and Lansing 
Homecoming shows [which I am sure you frequent in order to show off them 
beauties and sweep all the trophys]! After we have a few drinks, I can tell 
you about the perfect 1-owner 1965 Camaro that I have tucked away, and the 
1968 Hurst/Olds convertible with factory tri-power.  Yeah, that's the 
ticket. At least I have actual pix of my treasures:
.
http://442.com/parts/wittpartscar.gif
:-)


>So...I hope I helped you out and that you make lots of money selling your 
>crap...Looks like it is all you do.
============
CW: So far, so good, though frankly, your input on the latest auctions was 
less than helpful. Not one figure suggested, nor a correction. I guess I 
finally got it PERFECT to your stringent standards? Whew, what a relief, now 
I can sleep again. :-)
   The buyers of the many items that DID sell the last month do not seem to 
feel that they are getting "crap" for their money... once again we are 
presented with the stark difference between your "reality" where "crap" is 
sold for "too much money" and my reality... where oh let's see now... 894 
individual eBay transactions have been successful and positive experiences. 
Please don't take the time away from polishing your rod to email each of 
them 894 BUYers and and tell them that I ripped them off with "high priced 
CRAP" !!!  Especailly that guy that got the Manual Trans 455 crank for 
$44.20. I forgot it was MT compatible, thus offered it at super low price.


Sometimes getting layed helps release some of those hangups you have...Try 
it.
>Take care...
>The Idiot
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CW: Good idea, I will take that up with the wife; meanwhile why don't you go 
ask your boyfriend for the same courtesy. With your fine skills at "fault 
finding in others" and "sticking your nose into others' business", you will 
make someone a very fine wife someday.
.
By the way, you might brush up on how to spell "get laid".
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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