
oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, February 22 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4787



Re: What is a muscle car?  was: muscle cars handling
Re: Longevity of newer vs. Older
Re: Color identification
Re: SERIOUS vibration
RE: What is a muscle car?  was: muscle cars handling
Safe cars abound here!
Re: magnetic oil filters
Re: seatbelts
Re: magnetic oil filters
Re: Of Airbags and Crush Zones
Re: Is my tranny fried? -Update-
Re: seatbelts
Re: magnetic oil filters
Re: seatbelts
Re: Is my tranny fried? -Update-
Re: seatbelts
83 Hurst/Olds
Re: SERIOUS vibration
Re: SERIOUS vibration
Re: SERIOUS vibration
Re: What is a muscle car?  was: muscle cars handling
Re: SERIOUS vibration
Re: What is a muscle car?  was: muscle cars handling

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:51:23 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@infionline.net>
Subject: Re: What is a muscle car?  was: muscle cars handling

Infinite Space Systems, Inc. wrote:

>
>...but sleepers can be much more fun!
>  
>
I had one of those to some degree.  It was a 70 Charger with the 383 
Magnum engine and NO badges to say what was in the engine compartment.  
Only clue was the dual exhaust coming out the back of the car....  and 
the oversized Firestones and the "reverse California slant" I had the 
body in after I started to mess with it a little.  Really a fun 
car.....  I really wanted a 442, GTO or Torino with a 4 speed, but 
settled for the Charger when I couldn't order anything due to it being 
May already and the factories were doing their model year changeovers.  
What I really wanted to order at the time would have been a real Q-ship, 
a 1970 LTD with the Boss 429 and a 4 speed...  You should have seen the 
look I got at the Ford dealership over than one.......  Retrospectively, 
I should have taken about 6-7 grand and ordered a loaded 70 LT1 
convertible Vette or a Hemi or 440 6 pack Charger....  Those are pretty 
rare now, because they didn't make too many of them back then, and of 
the ones made, a lot of them hit the race track or left the road over 
the years.  I've always liked the mid sized muscle cars though, and I 
wasn't too particular about the manufacturer generally.  For some reason 
about the only ones I didn't care for were the Chevelles and some of the 
AMC offerings....  Loved the Cutlass/442, GTO and GS offerings from GM, 
and the RR, GTX, Charger from Mopar and the FoMoCo offerings.......  
Have always liked the pony cars, other than are just a little small for 
my 6'3" 280+ pound frame now.  Back then I was a little smaller.... 
:)

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:56:52 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Longevity of newer vs. Older

Hit the nail on the head there!
If not for indiference, than nothing would have become of what is today.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Cc: <wmachine@shubes.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 4:30 AM
Subject: Re: Longevity of newer vs. Older


> Kurt,
>
> > Not due to membership interest, but it leadership interest.
> > More
> > specifically finding people with the interest *and* the time to devote
to
> > running the chapter
> > No, we're *not* all in this for the same reason.  We are quite
different,
> > with
> > different likes, backgrounds, financial positions, time available, etc.
> >  Which is *good*.  Think about it.  It is the differences that give us
> > color,
> > as a whole.
>
>
> You are absolutely correct.
>
> In 1987, I was vice-president and from 1988 to 1996 I was president of
Pima
> Pistol Club. The exact same issues were present there in relation to
> different types of shooting sports and interests. There were quite a few
> rivalries between different shooting disciplines, plus running the
> day-to-day operation of the shooting range. Sometimes, it was like
> conducting kindergarten. It took a 2x4 to get some individuals' undivided
> attention. The idea was to operate the club according to NATO doctrine,
> everyone needed to support everyone else's interests. An attack on one
> shooting discipline was an attack on all shooting disciplines. It's fun
:-)
> getting cooperation out of diverse individuals.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:19:28 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Color identification

Probably Viking Blue.
See:;  
http://autocolorlibrary.com/cgi-bin/search/searchpic.pl?1970- 
oldsmobile-pg01.jpg

On Feb 19, 2004, at 6:43 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 22:57:56 EST
> From: Roncutlass@aol.com
> Subject: Color identification
>
> Can anyone tell me the official color of this 70  that is on E*ay?
> 2460491515, also was that an "official 1970 color?  Thanks, Ron

On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                          
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                              
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans:  
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31!  
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be  
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 10:19:23 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: SERIOUS vibration

How is your front suspension and steering gear? Tie rod ends loose, 
maybe?

krw
On Feb 19, 2004, at 6:43 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:19:23 EST
> From: Jon442@aol.com
> Subject: Re: SERIOUS vibration
>
>
> Sean, the brake system is totally new with less than 7000 miles on 
> them. New
> calipers, new rotors, new pads, new hoses.... everything. And they 
> don't
> pulsate at all when the brakes are applied.
>
> Jon
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 11:28:24 -0500
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: What is a muscle car?  was: muscle cars handling

I haven't been following this thread through every detail, but I would think
any reasonable definition (if there is such a thing!)would consider the
power-to-weight ratio which is always the start of how fast a car can be.
This would put a realistic spin on the big cars as to whether they really
*are* musclecars.  I consider my Jetstar 1  to be a musclecar (Sure I'm
biased, but..):  375 hp, 3950 lbs, 4-speed, 3:23 posi.  "We don't need no
stinkin' badges...."

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '99 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Steve Harrison
> Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:22 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: What is a muscle car? was: muscle cars handling
>
>
> At 06:57 PM 2/20/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >> Musclecarclub says:
> >>     ... the actual definition of a muscle car, or which models were
> >> muscle cars, is a topic that is often disputed. Here is the general
> >> interpretation of what is a muscle car and what cars qualify, and which
> >> don't:
> >>
> http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-definit
> ion.shtml
> >>
> >> Their list is more inclusive and includes the Pony cars as long as they
> >> have large motors or higher performance small block motors.  Therefore
> >> the Mustang GTs, Mach 1's and Boss, Camaro SS and Z28, and T/A with 400
> >> c.i. or larger engines are considered Muscle cars.
> >>
> >> They consider a 442 a musclecar but not a Cutlass despite the fact that
> >> a 70's Cutlass could be ordered with a larger engine than the late 60's
> >> 442.  The Chevelle SS is a muscle car while a Malibu 350 (my other car)
> >> is not.
>
> Seems to me that the Cutlass SX would certainly qualify although its
> badging isn't specifically "performance-oriented"; after all, they only
> came with 455s.
>

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:13:53 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Safe cars abound here!

The only safe car is the one that just sits,and is
never driven.
=====
Bill Hutchison,Lansing,MI.

That's pretty good Bill
I must have 40 or 50 REALLY safe cars, most have not moved in oh 10 years or 
so, except vertically for the occasional part removal from underneath.

My brother has like 100 safe cars, but he's allegedly scrapping out right 
now.

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Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 12:35:31 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <oldsmagnet@oldsmagnet.com>
Subject: Re: magnetic oil filters

> Its called filter mag. and can be seen at filtermag.net Runs $75.00 to a 
> little over $100.00. I'll have to do more reading on this before I make 

Wow...  for $100, I think I'd try a little backyard mechanicing myself... 
large hoseclamp and a couple magnets on there, and put the other $95 in the 
gas tank.  Personally, I'd find more use in a magnetic drain plug, try to 
get any metallics out of there before they get into the oil stream, but I 
doubt a magnet on the filter would hurt much of anything....  But there 
again, if the filter's letting the particles thru in the first place, it 
probably says fram on it.... sounds like a spendy gimick to me.  Would be a 
good gimick, if it wasn't a spendy one.


- -- 
=/   http://oldsmagnet.com   \===========/         Oldsmobile        \=
|  mailto:442@oldsmagnet.com  |=========|         1897 -- 2004        |
=\ Charley Buehner Sidney MT /===========\      Shot In The Back     /=

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:07:52 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: seatbelts

Frank & anyone else on the List,

> Those 3" belts sound like the thing to have...
> From your e-mail sounds like they can be re-fitted to
> the older cars... have you more info?


A 3" racing seat belt is very easy to install. For '64-'67 GM A-bodies, buy
the belts with the large triangular plate with the 1/2" hole for mounting.
Then bolt them to the floor, using the stock hardened 1/2" seat belt bolt.
For a front bench seat, just thread the center belts through the seat just
like stock. For other cars, the installation should be the same. There is an
eyelet mounting post available that will go into the stock floor nut, for
use with a different type of belt end with a quick disconnect, but I like
the direct bolt on type. Finally, after you have installed the belts in the
car from the top, go underneath and place a very large, thick fender washer
on the bolt portion that is sticking out, along with a lock washer and
another nut. If necessary, use a longer bolt. In a crash, if the body floor
nut fails, the thick, large washer will prevent pull trough of the mount out
of the floor pan.

One buying tip. For professional racing purposes, racing seat belts and
shoulder harness have an expiration date for use, just like aerospace safety
hardware has an expiration date for in service use. For us for street use,
that expiration date means nothing. So, find a new set of 3" racing seat
belts at a speed shop that have expired safety dates. Those belts can't be
used in professional racing, but they're fine for us, and usually much
cheaper, because the speed shop can't sell them to the pro racers.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:06:09 EST
From: Socalolds@aol.com
Subject: Re: magnetic oil filters

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John, 
I saw these at the SEMA show in LAs Vegas in November. They are quite amazing 
I can get them for around $50. If interested I can give you the email of the 
person I;m getting them from.
Dennis

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:11:39 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: Of Airbags and Crush Zones

A trivia note on the heavy airplanes.  Bill Gates fortune (in $1 bills) 
would actually fit on a 747.. but it would be several thousand pounds above 
max gross takeoff weight.

M

At 10:24 PM 2/20/2004 -0700, Milton wrote:
> > You know that material they make the little black boxes out of, you know
> > the boxes that survive the crash and have all the info in them.
>
>
>It's just very thick alloy steel.
>
>
>Why
> > don't they make the whole plane out of that stuff?
>
>
>It would be just a bit way too heavy. However, M1A2 main battle tanks are
>made out of that stuff. So are RTGs (Radiological Thermal Generators), which
>supply spacecraft electrical power.
>
>Milton Schick
>1964 442 Cutlass
>imp@theriver.com

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:30:58 -0500
From: AnTiCr0mBi@aol.com
Subject: Re: Is my tranny fried? -Update-

Man, it's a lot easier working on my car when I've got a lower bay to get down into! Been working at Jiffy Lube for about a month now, and been taking advantage of it every chance I get.

Brought my car in to replace the transmission fluid and filter. Got the pan unbolted, (drained it first, god bless the drainplug in the TCI pan) and pried off. Then to my horror, saw the filter was -not-even-connected- to the pump tube!!!!!!!!! I've got a TCI cast deep pan (th400 btw) and never liked the way they lower the filter. Still though, I put on the new filter and gasket and put er back on. Runs like hell again! (thats a good thing!!) The noise is gone. Thanks for all the advice everyone, and Milton!

- -Eric Anderson
'64 Cutlass
http://www.angelfire.com/retro/ericskars

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 22:25:16 -0800
From: geo.aigel@netzero.net
Subject: Re: seatbelts

>One buying tip. For professional racing purposes, racing seat belts and
>shoulder harness have an expiration date for use, just like aerospace safety
>hardware has an expiration date for in service use. For us for street use,
>that expiration date means nothing. So, find a new set of 3" racing seat
>belts at a speed shop that have expired safety dates. Those belts can't be
>used in professional racing, but they're fine for us, and usually much
>cheaper, because the speed shop can't sell them to the pro racers.

Most racing clubs have that rule too. It have seen anything from 2-7 years. 
Would I put 7 year old belts on my car? Probably not, but anything younger 
than that may be had at a bargain price.

I recommend staying with a 3 point belt setup when you use a stock seat. 5 
or 6 point harnessesneed to be set up correctly to work. Usually a sport 
seat (with holes for the shoulder harnesses and one whole for the sub belt) 
and a guide bar are mandatory to do it right. On a bench or stock bucket 
seat, I'd go with a wider aftermarket 3 point setup. Chances that you 
submarine or that the harness slips off your shoulders otherwise are too high.

Cheers, George

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 23:03:50 -0800
From: geo.aigel@netzero.net
Subject: Re: magnetic oil filters

A magnetic drain plug is something you find on any serious piece of equipment.

Stupid question: Does the oil filter have the filtered oil towards the 
outside wall or is it the dirty oil on the outside wall? If it is the dirty 
oil on the outside wall, that magnet is BS.

As far as I am concerned, a very good oil filter, e.g. purolator pure one 
or mobil one or k&n can do everything you need. That way you won't have to 
wait for particles to flow by the 127th time before they get picked up by 
the magnet.

Hey, if you put that magnet, there is no room for "the cool collar". :)

George

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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 00:34:05 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: seatbelts

> Would I put 7 year old belts on my car? Probably not, but anything younger
> than that may be had at a bargain price.


As per Sandia National Laboratories, the structural life of the fibers used
in the arimid fabric to make aerospace and racing seat belts is 110 years,
at minimum. I really don't think one needs to worry about seat belts, unless
they have been exposed to direct sunlight for several continuous years and
have suffered UV damage.

Aerospace qualification specs are somewhat spurious. A perfect example is
the shelf life assigned to carbon fabric for producing aerospace qualified
composites. The shelf life is only 6 months, which places a high price tag
on aerospace qualified carbon fabric. At 7 months, the price drops by a
factor of 10. The catch is, the carbon will deteriorate in 1000 years. There
is absolutely no reason for a 6 month shelf life, other than to make an
obscene markup on the cost of manufacture.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 00:38:05 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Is my tranny fried? -Update-

Eric,

There should have been some sort of retainer to keep the extension for the
filter in place. If there wasn't, be careful. It may come loose again. If it
does, plan on doing something to retain the extension and filter in place.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <AnTiCr0mBi@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Is my tranny fried? -Update-


> Man, it's a lot easier working on my car when I've got a lower bay to get
down into! Been working at Jiffy Lube for about a month now, and been taking
advantage of it every chance I get.
>
> Brought my car in to replace the transmission fluid and filter. Got the
pan unbolted, (drained it first, god bless the drainplug in the TCI pan) and
pried off. Then to my horror, saw the filter was -not-even-connected- to the
pump tube!!!!!!!!! I've got a TCI cast deep pan (th400 btw) and never liked
the way they lower the filter. Still though, I put on the new filter and
gasket and put er back on. Runs like hell again! (thats a good thing!!) The
noise is gone. Thanks for all the advice everyone, and Milton!
>
> -Eric Anderson
> '64 Cutlass
> http://www.angelfire.com/retro/ericskars
>

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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 03:15:46 -0500
From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: seatbelts

How long would you get away with using a racing seat belt on the street?
>From what I understand, a 5pt harness is not DOT approved and you can be
ticketed for wearing one.

Andrew Geeting
geeting@woh.rr.com
'87 Cutlass Supreme 461
'98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf

> >One buying tip. For professional racing purposes, racing seat belts and
> >shoulder harness have an expiration date for use, just like aerospace
safety
> >hardware has an expiration date for in service use. For us for street
use,
> >that expiration date means nothing. So, find a new set of 3" racing seat
> >belts at a speed shop that have expired safety dates. Those belts can't
be
> >used in professional racing, but they're fine for us, and usually much
> >cheaper, because the speed shop can't sell them to the pro racers.

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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:10:59 EST
From: SSpuehler@aol.com
Subject: 83 Hurst/Olds

I'm looking to get my Cutlass ready for the spring and need some help to get 
the front air dam back on.  I have all of the plastic pieces and was wondering 
if anyone could help me with the dimensions of the metal hardware needed to 
bolt it up.

If anyone knows the dimensions could you please e-mail me the specs, Thanks

SSpuehler@aol.com
Fenton Mich.
83 Hurst/Olds
96 Dodge Ram

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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 04:54:15 EST
From: Tremendous442@aol.com
Subject: Re: SERIOUS vibration

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anything is possible, but I doubt that is it. anyways, he claims his brakes 
are all new and that is not the problem. things is, I have seen this exact 
thing many times before, and it has always been the rotors. Even have seen it with 
new rotors, many times. Sometimes rotors are not true when they are new, seen 
it many many times. well whatever, I hope he figures it out.

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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 05:00:49 EST
From: Tremendous442@aol.com
Subject: Re: SERIOUS vibration

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why is it when he hits the brakes? would it not shake all the time if it were 
front end parts? it happens when he hits the brakes. what does this mean? if 
it happened on acceleration, what would it mean? not brakes if that were the 
case for sure.

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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 05:05:16 EST
From: Tremendous442@aol.com
Subject: Re: SERIOUS vibration

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rotors have been known to be warped right out of the box. I have seen this so 
many times, it is ridiculous. ask any mechanic with a lot of brake 
experience, and I am sure you will hear this again. I urge you to check rotor run-out.

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 16:16:54 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: What is a muscle car?  was: muscle cars handling

Nice math, Steve.. but in 1966, not a handful of Americans had a clue as to 
what a liter was.

M


At 06:21 AM 2/21/2004 +0000, Steve Harrison wrote:
>What SHOULD qualify them is that the engine wasn't merely a run-of-the-mill
>large-displacement V8, such as the top-of-the-line 345 hp 428 that was in
>my '66 Galaxie 7-liter, 4-speed convertible.

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:02:18 EST
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: SERIOUS vibration

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In a message dated 2/21/2004 4:57:39 PM Central Standard Time, 
krwright@sbcglobal.net writes:
How is your front suspension and steering gear? Tie rod ends loose, 
maybe?
The entire car was built from the ground up with all new components, 
including new bushings, etc. Nothing on the car has more then 7000 miles on it.

Jon

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Date: Sun, 22 Feb 2004 19:04:37 -0500
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: What is a muscle car?  was: muscle cars handling

Mark Mullins wrote:

> Nice math, Steve.. but in 1966, not a handful of Americans had a clue as 
> to what a liter was.
> 
> M
> 
> 
> At 06:21 AM 2/21/2004 +0000, Steve Harrison wrote:
> 
>> What SHOULD qualify them is that the engine wasn't merely a 
>> run-of-the-mill
>> large-displacement V8, such as the top-of-the-line 345 hp 428 that was in
>> my '66 Galaxie 7-liter, 4-speed convertible.
> 
> 
> Mark Mullins
> Tucson, Az
> 
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> 
> 
By their definition The 70 Olds Toro GT would qualify
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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