
oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, January 28 2004     Volume 01 : Number 4757



Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?
Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?
Fwd Air no workee for me
Edelbrock O4B
Re: Edelbrock O4B
Kooks Headers for 64-67
Wash. State Junkyard/Olds 64-59
Re: Kooks Headers for 64-67
A/C decal
260 Die&sell V6
Re: Fwd Air no workee for me
Re: Wash. State Junkyard/Olds 64-59
Re: 64 Olds Super88 394 carb question
Re: Edelbrock O4B
Re: Edelbrock O4B
A/C Decal
Mark Prince, where are you...?
Re: ad in this week's Washington _City Paper
Re: Wash. State Junkyard/Olds 64-59
new Ed carb
Re: 260 Die&sell V6
Re: ad in this week's Washington _City Paper
Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?
Convertible Top Well liner
Re: Wash. State Junkyard/Olds 64-59
Re: new Ed carb
RE: Kooks Headers for 64-67
Re: Kooks Headers for 64-67
Re: Kooks Headers for 64-67
RE: Fwd Air no workee for me
RE: A/C decal
Re: new Ed carb
RE: new Ed carb
Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?
Re: new Ed carb
Re: Kooks Headers for 64-67
hops she's OK now
Re: hops she's OK now
1960 super 88
Re: Kooks Headers for 64-67

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:38:47 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?

At 10:29 AM 01/27/2004 -0600, Brian wrote:
>After finding and viewing the slideshow that highlights each car, we see
>that the Deltas make the list solely as punishment for the 350 Diesel.

Agreed .  . and they *did* say that some made it there just for bad
marketing more than anything else.

However, I'm surprised they didn't do the research a bit more clearly.
Wasn't it that only the first two years or so were very problematic for the
diesels, then after that they were very reliable?

I mean, with the Honda Accord, they did specify that only the 1978 was
atrociously unreliable.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:30:33 -0600
From: "jbschuren" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?

I'd place ANY V8/6/4 Caddy before the Delta....

JB Schuren
71Cutlass Conv Rocket 350 w/HEI.
03 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi QC
http://foggy.audioguy.net

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Brian Ammons" <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:29 AM
Subject: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?


> After finding and viewing the slideshow that highlights each car, we see
> that the Deltas make the list solely as punishment for the 350 Diesel.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Evans" <mevans@jasnetworks.net>
> To: "Olds List" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 8:12 AM
> Subject: Worst Cars of All Time?
> 
> 
> > Hey,
> >
> > How does the '79-'84 Delta 88 make this list of worst cars of all time?
> > http://www.msnbc.msn.com/Default.aspx?id=4063790&p1=0
> >
> > I know they weren't legendary quality, but gee wiz......on a list that
> > includes Pintos, Vegas, and Yugos?
> >
> > Mike Evans
> > Richland, MI
> > '76 Cutlass S/461
> > www.time-save.com/cutlass.htm
> >
> 

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:32:55 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fwd Air no workee for me

>Forward Air,  www.forwardair.com,  best price is for terminal to terminal
>shipping, though I believe they do door to door.
==========
They must've heard of me
Inquiries at web site have NEVER gotten even 1 reply
No luck by phone either.
I doubt that they exist at this point; that is no way to run a business.
I could sell MANY engines if they would give me a freakin shipping quote.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 23:37:49 -0500
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Edelbrock O4B

I picked up a Edelbrock O4B manifold for the 69-455. I'd like to put a
QuadraJet on the manifold but the manifold has the square top on it not the
QuadraJet style. Is there any way to fit a QuadraJet on it? Spacers?
If not what is the best carb that will fit for a street application?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 00:16:11 -0500
From: "W-Machines" <W-Machines@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock O4B

You have a square bore intake that takes Holley carbs.  You can buy a an
adapter plate that goes from square bore to spread bore.  Spread bore is
what a Q-jet is.  I put a spread bore O4B intake on my 72 Olds 98 back in
August.  Looks great.
regards
WMACHINES (Mark Prince)
check out the new March 2004 Popular Hot Rodding
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:37 PM
Subject: Edelbrock O4B


> I picked up a Edelbrock O4B manifold for the 69-455. I'd like to put a
> QuadraJet on the manifold but the manifold has the square top on it not
the
> QuadraJet style. Is there any way to fit a QuadraJet on it? Spacers?
> If not what is the best carb that will fit for a street application?
>
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:47:20 -0600
From: "Michael Brady" <mbrady38@comcast.net>
Subject: Kooks Headers for 64-67

Hello listers,

Has anyone installed these headers from Kooks yet?? I have heard some
positive stuff about Kooks, can anyone supply any experieces with these??

Thanks in advance,

Mike
1966 442 factory tri-carb

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 01:16:04 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: Wash. State Junkyard/Olds 64-59

Hello
A quote from the page i just viewed.....

"Please remember that these vehicles listed below are parts vehicles only!  We very rarely sell these vehicles complete once they enter the yard."

Does this look like junk?

http://www.allamericanclassics.com/pics/M04745-64dynamic88.jpg

or this ?

http://www.allamericanclassics.com/pics/M04667-65olds98.jpg

or this

http://www.allamericanclassics.com/pics/N05007-59dynamic88.jpg

......got a tissue :(
Randy H.
Van.B.C.Can.




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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 02:26:47 -0500
From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kooks Headers for 64-67

Here's some talk about them on ROP:
http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2683&highlight=kooks

Andrew Geeting
geeting@woh.rr.com
'87 Cutlass Supreme 461
'98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf


> Hello listers,
>
> Has anyone installed these headers from Kooks yet?? I have heard some
> positive stuff about Kooks, can anyone supply any experieces with these??
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Mike
> 1966 442 factory tri-carb
>
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 20:16:28 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: A/C decal

John Nasta wrote:

"Old Car Network has it for $3. I just love those guys!

John Nasta"

Thanks John.  I looked on your site, didn't see it.  You need to update 
your catalog......I know, in your spare time.

Joe V

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:38:38 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 260 Die&sell V6

At 10:56 AM 01/26/2004 -0500, SteveH wrote:
>one them; but I'm curious. And how bout the Olds 262 V6 dissel (was there 
>really such an engine???).

Yes.  If I'm not mistaken, it was used in front-drive cars, maybe the
Cutlass Ciera?  Can't remember the application, but it does exist.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh
============
I saw 2 of them at the scrap yard last year, could not afford the price at 
$30 each. I wanted them just for the oddity. They do exist. or, did. 
According to the CSM's looks [numbers wise] exactly like a 350 chopped down 
to 3 bangers on each side.

- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 05:47:13 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd Air no workee for me

  web sight response is slow i called them its a 1800 number
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:32 PM
  Subject: Fwd Air no workee for me


  > >Forward Air,  www.forwardair.com,  best price is for terminal to terminal
  > >shipping, though I believe they do door to door.
  > ==========
  > They must've heard of me
  > Inquiries at web site have NEVER gotten even 1 reply
  > No luck by phone either.
  > I doubt that they exist at this point; that is no way to run a business.
  > I could sell MANY engines if they would give me a freakin shipping quote.
  > -----------------------
  > Chris Witt
  > 1303 W. Miller Rd.
  > Lansing MI 48911
  > 
  > RocketScience442@hotmail.com
  > 
  > Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
  > Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
  > 
  > _________________________________________________________________
  > Learn how to choose, serve, and enjoy wine at Wine @ MSN. 
  > http://wine.msn.com/
  > 
  > 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 05:56:08 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Wash. State Junkyard/Olds 64-59

No, but I do have tissues. Thats sad. Wrong place for decent restorations. I
didn't see a crusher in any of the pictures tho!
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Hermsen" <Cutlass7276@netscape.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:16 AM
Subject: Wash. State Junkyard/Olds 64-59


> Hello
> A quote from the page i just viewed.....
>
> "Please remember that these vehicles listed below are parts vehicles only!
We very rarely sell these vehicles complete once they enter the yard."
>
> Does this look like junk?
>
> http://www.allamericanclassics.com/pics/M04745-64dynamic88.jpg
>
> or this ?
>
> http://www.allamericanclassics.com/pics/M04667-65olds98.jpg
>
> or this
>
> http://www.allamericanclassics.com/pics/N05007-59dynamic88.jpg
>
> ......got a tissue :(
> Randy H.
> Van.B.C.Can.
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:17:41 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 64 Olds Super88 394 carb question

John,

Actually, I wouldn't trust any of these carb kits as being correct. You
should be able to go to any good, notice that I said good, auto parts store
and get a Borg-Warner carb kit for your exact '64 Olds engine. Use the carb
number off of the carb to get to right carb kit. There should be a small
aluminum triangle tag under a top plate carb bolt that has the number. If
the tag is gone, sometimes the number is stamped on either the top plate or
the center section or the cast iron base plate.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Holt sr" <johnlholtsr@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 11:06 AM
Subject: 64 Olds Super88 394 carb question


> Hello List, I was wondering if Milt or someone can help me id the correct
carb kit for my 4GC on the 64 Super with a 394. There are several kits on
Ebay currently and was hoping someone could tell me which one would be best
for my application. The engine in my olds is the 394, 10.25 to 1, 330 hp,
with the 4GC carb. I have added a couple links to the items on ebay, hope
that is ok. Some are more expensive than others, but the main thing is
knowing what will work. I would guess that most 4GC's are the same except
for the jetting, but I don't for sure. thanks again.
>
>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2456197841&cat
egory=34198
>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2455820740&cat
egory=34198
>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2455815284&cat
egory=34198
>
>
>
>
>
> John
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2004 00:59:44 -0500
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock O4B

> You have a square bore intake that takes Holley carbs.  You can buy a an
> adapter plate that goes from square bore to spread bore.  Spread bore is
> what a Q-jet is.  I put a spread bore O4B intake on my 72 Olds 98 back in
August.  Looks great.
> regards
> WMACHINES (Mark Prince)
> check out the new March 2004 Popular Hot Rodding
Mark, any suggestions on where to get the adapter plate? Is there any
difference in performance between the spreadbore and square bore intakes?
Should I look for a spreadbore manifold or would I be better off with a new
Holley carb?
Dan

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:02:11 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Edelbrock O4B

The best carb for performance would be either a 750 or 800 CFM Edelbrock
Performer AFB with electric choke.

The best carb for economy would be a 600 CFM Edelbrock Performer AFB with
electric choke.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 9:37 PM
Subject: Edelbrock O4B


> I picked up a Edelbrock O4B manifold for the 69-455. I'd like to put a
> QuadraJet on the manifold but the manifold has the square top on it not
the
> QuadraJet style. Is there any way to fit a QuadraJet on it? Spacers?
> If not what is the best carb that will fit for a street application?
>
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 07:33:21 -0500
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: A/C Decal

Here is the best place for decals. They have all the A/C decals:

http://osborn-reproduction.com/

They even have the elusive gas door sticker!

Paul Tumolo 

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Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 22:09:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Frank Fellman <frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Mark Prince, where are you...?

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Subject says it all-- almost-- except for: "...besides on pages 
62 and 63 of the March issue of 'Popular Hot Rodding'."  
(Well, not Mark, but his '72 4-4-2 W-30.)
 
                               Congrats, sir!     :o)))     Phantom455
 
 

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<DIV>Subject says it all-- almost-- except for: "...besides on pages </DIV>
<DIV>62 and 63 of the March issue of 'Popular Hot Rodding'."&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>(Well, not Mark, but his '72 4-4-2 W-30.)</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Congrats, sir!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:o))) &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phantom455</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 08:39:18 -0500
From: "Mike Stilwell" <Fleetsuper@msn.com>
Subject: Re: ad in this week's Washington _City Paper

Sorry Greg, I saw that I missed the list in the email.  I met to remove you
and add the list's email.  Mike

From: <b_thom@juno.com>
>
> 1967 OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS convertible. Daily
> driver, runs great/fun ride. 189K original
> miles, needs TLC and a good home. $1500.
> Billy, 703/534-0926.
- --------------------------------------------

This ad will also be in our Feb. newsletter which comes out next week.  The
gentleman is a former member of the CCR.  If anybody is really interested, I
can check it out for you.

Mike Stilwell  OCA #13273
President - Capitol City Rockets
http://www.bigmikes442.com

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:07:19 -0500
From: "aaron" <aaron@trucksforsale.com>
Subject: Re: Wash. State Junkyard/Olds 64-59

Just bought a pass. door for my 70 cutlass from them last week.  $250 + $150
shipping......ouch


Aaron
 http://www.aaron.trucksforsale.com/cutlass/



- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:56 AM
Subject: Re: Wash. State Junkyard/Olds 64-59


> No, but I do have tissues. Thats sad. Wrong place for decent restorations.
I
> didn't see a crusher in any of the pictures tho!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Randy Hermsen" <Cutlass7276@netscape.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 1:16 AM
> Subject: Wash. State Junkyard/Olds 64-59
>
>
> > Hello
> > A quote from the page i just viewed.....
> >
> > "Please remember that these vehicles listed below are parts vehicles
only!
> We very rarely sell these vehicles complete once they enter the yard."
> >
> > Does this look like junk?
> >
> > http://www.allamericanclassics.com/pics/M04745-64dynamic88.jpg
> >
> > or this ?
> >
> > http://www.allamericanclassics.com/pics/M04667-65olds98.jpg
> >
> > or this
> >
> > http://www.allamericanclassics.com/pics/N05007-59dynamic88.jpg
> >
> > ......got a tissue :(
> > Randy H.
> > Van.B.C.Can.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:06:32 -0300
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: new Ed carb

The Pop Hot Rodding wrote about some "new" Carter - Ed carb - AVS. Looks
like a marketing cosmetic operation, to fight against Daemon/Avenger stuff,
but... How the hell one can know more about new stuff without trying it? And
if works no better the money is lost & time is spent for nothing.
Grrrrrr...
In the meantime the 260 running lean and with no TCC working gave me 12,5mpg
in the city driving. I gues is still too much, I would expect at least 16mpg
to be happy with a so slow moving car... anyway, too lean is not good, I
think a good mixture could be better on mpg?
rgds
Matt

OTOH has anybody a carb for the 81 260 engine? PN 17081150. Chris Witt
maybe?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:04:06 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: 260 Die&sell V6

> And how bout the Olds 262 V6 dissel (was there 
> >really such an engine???).

Yes, a 4.3 liter used in the '82 thru '85 Cutlass Ciera and '85 FWD 98.  From what I understood at the time they were pretty good.  But by that time nobody wanted them because they automatically associated the word Diesel with the early 350 engine.

They also used a 260 V8 Diesel in '79 in the Cutlass, 88 and 98 models (according to my parts catalog).

Paul

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:22:56 -0500
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: ad in this week's Washington _City Paper

Darn I live in Falls Church/Arlington too. Why am I always broke when 
these deals come through argghhhhhhhh

paulbunyan

depressed in dc lol

Fleetsuper@msn.com wrote:

>Sorry Greg, I saw that I missed the list in the email.  I met to remove you
>and add the list's email.  Mike
>
>From: <b_thom@juno.com>
>  
>
>>1967 OLDSMOBILE CUTLASS convertible. Daily
>>driver, runs great/fun ride. 189K original
>>miles, needs TLC and a good home. $1500.
>>Billy, 703/534-0926.
>>    
>>
>--------------------------------------------
>
>This ad will also be in our Feb. newsletter which comes out next week.  The
>gentleman is a former member of the CCR.  If anybody is really interested, I
>can check it out for you.
>
>Mike Stilwell  OCA #13273
>President - Capitol City Rockets
>http://www.bigmikes442.com
>  
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:39:25 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?

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In a message dated 1/27/2004 8:49:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
wmachine@shubes.net writes:
Figures.  Very simply, that is irresponsible reporting.  So Cadillac should
make the list, too (with their 4/6/8).
Funny you should mention that. I bought an '81 Eldo, new, off the floor at 
Potamkin in NYC, with the 864. It was probably the only one in existence that 
worked. It would use all eight cylinders until the car reached highway speed, 
and as I would back off of the accerlator pedal, it would drop to 6, and as the 
momentum of the car carried, it would drop to 4. It also showed instant mph.
Olds content: Just finished installing the Kook headers on my Cutlass. I 
never realized how much air was escaping from my old Blackjacks. Now all the sound 
comes from the rear instead of the engine compartment. They are sweet!

Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92 Eldo

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:18:45 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Convertible Top Well liner

I'm in need of a new well liner for the '71 and I need recommendations 
on which companies have an acceptable quality part. I remember seeing 
a car at a show that had a hideous looking liner - the backside of the 
fabric, as viewed from the open trunk, was a very loose, stringy material 
that looked like a bunch of spiders had spun their webs on it. I DO NOT 
want one like that. C'mon, how hard is it to select the correct vinyl 
material? I would reuse the one I have but the backside is dirty and 
stained, and now that I'm sprucing up the trunk, it looks way out of place.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible (currently without a top)
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:34:43 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Wash. State Junkyard/Olds 64-59

> "Please remember that these vehicles listed below are parts vehicles only!
We very rarely sell these vehicles complete once they enter the yard."
>
> Does this look like junk?


No. None of them are any worse than our '65 F-85 before she was painted, and
our '65 Vista Cruiser is in the same condition as the '65 98.

Now you know what my black '59 98 4-door with the Street Hemi eating 394
looked like. Just like that '59 88, except with better paint and no front or
rear bumpers and no grille, to save weight.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 09:44:39 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: new Ed carb

It's nothing new. The Carter AVS, a derivative of the Carter AFB, now the
Edelbrock Performer AVS, was first introduced on 383 and 440 Mopar engines
in around '66. The carb was used by Mopar well into the '70s. The AVS was
thought to give a better emissions profile when the secondaries kicked in.
That's debatable.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
To: "Olds digest" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 7:06 AM
Subject: new Ed carb


> The Pop Hot Rodding wrote about some "new" Carter - Ed carb - AVS. Looks
> like a marketing cosmetic operation, to fight against Daemon/Avenger
stuff,
> but... How the hell one can know more about new stuff without trying it?
And
> if works no better the money is lost & time is spent for nothing.
> Grrrrrr...

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:00:25 -0500
From: "Erwin Mendoza" <olds6887442@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Kooks Headers for 64-67

http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4780

Hit the above link from realoldspower.com



Erwin Mendoza
OCA# 29671
Rallye 350 Chapter(gone but not forgotten)
87 442 (gone as of 10/02/03)
68 442
Edison, NJ
mailto:olds6887442@hotmail.com





>From: "Michael Brady" <mbrady38@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Subject: Kooks Headers for 64-67
>Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:47:20 -0600
>
>Hello listers,
>
>Has anyone installed these headers from Kooks yet?? I have heard some
>positive stuff about Kooks, can anyone supply any experieces with these??
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Mike
>1966 442 factory tri-carb
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 11:13:34 -0600
From: "Michael Brady" <mbrady38@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Kooks Headers for 64-67

Thanks Andrew and Erwin for that link.........

Mike
1966 442 L-69
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Erwin Mendoza" <olds6887442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:00 AM
Subject: RE: Kooks Headers for 64-67


> http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=4780
>
> Hit the above link from realoldspower.com
>
>
>
> Erwin Mendoza
> OCA# 29671
> Rallye 350 Chapter(gone but not forgotten)
> 87 442 (gone as of 10/02/03)
> 68 442
> Edison, NJ
> mailto:olds6887442@hotmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Michael Brady" <mbrady38@comcast.net>
> >Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> >To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> >Subject: Kooks Headers for 64-67
> >Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2004 23:47:20 -0600
> >
> >Hello listers,
> >
> >Has anyone installed these headers from Kooks yet?? I have heard some
> >positive stuff about Kooks, can anyone supply any experieces with these??
> >
> >Thanks in advance,
> >
> >Mike
> >1966 442 factory tri-carb
> >
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers!
> http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 10:21:51 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Kooks Headers for 64-67

Except there's a real big problem. Why did KOOK'S make the exhaust ports
round? Are the Bulldog heads using round exhaust ports? The Edelbrock heads
don't have round exhaust ports, at least not the ones I've seen. You want
mismatch for extreme turbulence for mixing on the intake side, but the
exhaust side **must** be perfectly transitioned and smooth for rapid
exhausting and scavenging. The transition from a square port to a round port
**will** cause a lot of turbulence, which will cause exhaust pressure
constriction. If the crossectional area of the rectangular head port is less
than the crossectional area of the round header port, there will also be an
exhaust pressure drop, which **will** slow down exhaust scavenging. The
**exact** same thing happens in the human blood vessel system in the brain,
and the extreme turbulence and resulting blood pressure drop causes strokes
from blocked blood supply and loss of oxygen delivery!

I know these details, because that's what happened to my wife on Christmas
Eve.

It's the exact same thing. It's all called fluid dynamics. Yes, engineering
does apply to the inside of the human body. Ask Ian Dixon.

I could not install those headers on Thunder, even though they would fit
her.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:26 AM
Subject: Re: Kooks Headers for 64-67


>
> Here's some talk about them on ROP:
> http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2683&highlight=kooks
>
> Andrew Geeting
> geeting@woh.rr.com
> '87 Cutlass Supreme 461
> '98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
> http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf
>
>
> > Hello listers,
> >
> > Has anyone installed these headers from Kooks yet?? I have heard some
> > positive stuff about Kooks, can anyone supply any experieces with
these??
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Mike
> > 1966 442 factory tri-carb
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:23:43 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Fwd Air no workee for me

>They must've heard of me
>Inquiries at web site have NEVER gotten even 1 reply. No luck by
>phone either. I doubt that they exist at this point; that is no
>way to run a business. I could sell MANY engines if they would
>give me a freakin shipping quote.

I dunno; if they're this hard to find even _before_ you give them your 
business, imagine what it will be like if there's a shipping problem that 
you need to sort out with them.

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:27:23 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: A/C decal

Hi Joe,

I did send a p.s. saying that it's not listed on the web site yet. I haven't
gotten around to doing the Olds decals yet. Honestly decals are kind of a
"loss leader" because you can imagine that at $3 or so apiece there is not
much profit in them and at the same time there are so many of them that it
takes a fair investment to keep a reasonable inventory.

Speaking of spare time, I haven't had much of it. Aside from keeping OCN and
my web design business going, I've also been cast in a 3-week run of My Fair
Lady here in Manhattan. I'm playing Harry, Henry Higgins' butler, one of the
gentlemen at Ascot, and "His excellency Dr. Themosticles Stephanos". I guess
I'm a bit of an over-achiever. Hey, it's a great way to meet girls, whereas
my other endeavors are not. Gotta have fun some of the time at least.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Joe & Gloria Varley
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:16 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: A/C decal

John Nasta wrote:

"Old Car Network has it for $3. I just love those guys!

John Nasta"

Thanks John.  I looked on your site, didn't see it.  You need to update
your catalog......I know, in your spare time.

Joe V

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:55:23 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: new Ed carb

At 11:06 AM 01/28/2004 -0300, Matt wrote:

>In the meantime the 260 running lean and with no TCC working gave me 12,5mpg
>in the city driving. I gues is still too much, I would expect at least 16mpg
>to be happy with a so slow moving car... anyway, too lean is not good, I
>think a good mixture could be better on mpg?

It should do better, even running lean.  My 1972 98 (455 cid) runs too
lean, and I get about 11 MPG city driving.  The car weighs about 4700 lbs.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 13:03:26 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: new Ed carb

Isn't that really just the idle mixture?

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----


It should do better, even running lean.  My 1972 98 (455 cid) runs too
lean, and I get about 11 MPG city driving.  The car weighs about 4700 lbs.

        - Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 04:35:44 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: figured it out Re: Worst Cars of All Time?

> I'd place ANY V8/6/4 Caddy before the Delta....


- ----------------------

The 8/6/4 wasn't so bad.  The control system had some issues (as did a lot
of early computer engine management systems), but the basic engine was the
sturdy cast iron 368.  The real turkey from Cadillac was the HT-4100.
Famous for mixing coolant and oil, among other things.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 16:17:35 -0300
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: new Ed carb

Well, mine runs lean from the idle up to the power valve opening... sluggish
and thirsty, that is too bad... anyway, the mighty 355 will do only 8,5mpg ,
but a lot quicker :-)
Matt
> Isn't that really just the idle mixture?

> John Nasta
> It should do better, even running lean.  My 1972 98 (455 cid) runs too
> lean, and I get about 11 MPG city driving.  The car weighs about 4700 lbs.
>
>         - Joe Vahabzadeh
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 14:26:47 -0500
From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Kooks Headers for 64-67

Here's a pic of the Bulldog heads:
http://www.mjproformance.com/OLDSHEADEX2.jpg

Andrew Geeting
geeting@woh.rr.com
'87 Cutlass Supreme 461
'98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf


> Except there's a real big problem. Why did KOOK'S make the exhaust ports
> round? Are the Bulldog heads using round exhaust ports?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:17:54 -0500
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: hops she's OK now

I know these details, because that's what happened to my wife on Christmas
Eve.
  Milt
I hope everythings OK now
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:32:10 -0500
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: hops she's OK now

  I will second that!!!
john orr
67 cutlass supreme


 Subject: hops she's OK now


 I know these details, because that's what happened to my wife on Christmas
 Eve.
   Milt
 I hope everythings OK now
 John Kelsey
 Dayton Ohio

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 15:57:16 EST
From: Ayashkeefer@aol.com
Subject: 1960 super 88

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start up,but the engine would turn over.now when i turn the key,nothing 
happens.when i turn the key to the off position it makes a chicking noise.where should 
i start looking?thank you,keith in new jersey.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2004 17:15:14 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Kooks Headers for 64-67

I've been reading this thread, and I query, aren't KOOKS more or less
dedicated to Ford? I don't have any experience with Ford, are the exhaust
ports on thier heads round also? If they're not what you said Milton makes
perfect sense.The faster and easier air flows in, and the easier air escapes
the combustion chamber would create more horsepower? Just trying to
understand.
Pat.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: Kooks Headers for 64-67


> Except there's a real big problem. Why did KOOK'S make the exhaust ports
> round? Are the Bulldog heads using round exhaust ports? The Edelbrock
heads
> don't have round exhaust ports, at least not the ones I've seen. You want
> mismatch for extreme turbulence for mixing on the intake side, but the
> exhaust side **must** be perfectly transitioned and smooth for rapid
> exhausting and scavenging. The transition from a square port to a round
port
> **will** cause a lot of turbulence, which will cause exhaust pressure
> constriction. If the crossectional area of the rectangular head port is
less
> than the crossectional area of the round header port, there will also be
an
> exhaust pressure drop, which **will** slow down exhaust scavenging. The
> **exact** same thing happens in the human blood vessel system in the
brain,
> and the extreme turbulence and resulting blood pressure drop causes
strokes
> from blocked blood supply and loss of oxygen delivery!
>
> I know these details, because that's what happened to my wife on Christmas
> Eve.
>
> It's the exact same thing. It's all called fluid dynamics. Yes,
engineering
> does apply to the inside of the human body. Ask Ian Dixon.
>
> I could not install those headers on Thunder, even though they would fit
> her.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 12:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Kooks Headers for 64-67
>
>
> >
> > Here's some talk about them on ROP:
> > http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=2683&highlight=kooks
> >
> > Andrew Geeting
> > geeting@woh.rr.com
> > '87 Cutlass Supreme 461
> > '98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
> > http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf
> >
> >
> > > Hello listers,
> > >
> > > Has anyone installed these headers from Kooks yet?? I have heard some
> > > positive stuff about Kooks, can anyone supply any experieces with
> these??
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > >
> > > Mike
> > > 1966 442 factory tri-carb
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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