
oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, January 25 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4754



Re: anyone recognize this hood ornament? 
Re: Hit the Penguin
Lenny Kravitz Olds
Olds at Barrett-Jackson?
65-67 Cutlass/442 sending unit/fuel pickup .....
Olds at Barrett-Jackson? 
Non Olds
RE: 65-67 Cutlass/442 sending unit/fuel pickup .....
Re: Non Olds
Re: Rear Springs
Re: Non Olds
Re: anyone recognize this hood ornament? 
RE: Limitations of Caddy/Olds EFI system   was - Re: 455 Fuel Injection?
Re: Por 15
Barrett Jackson and Everett
Re: Rear Springs
Re: Por 15
Re: Non Olds
350 rebuild progress- crank is in, bores too small? 
350 W31 forged pistons- is 2.5 thou too tight? 
man seeks 65 Cs rear window inside corner pieces
RE: Question for seller -- Item #2455440856
Re: 350 rebuild progress- crank is in, bores too small? 
Re: 350 W31 forged pistons- is 2.5 thou too tight? 
Re: Por 15

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 12:29:59 EST
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: anyone recognize this hood ornament? 

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In a message dated 1/23/04 1:57:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
rocketscience442@hotmail.com writes:

> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34204&
> item=2453676521&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWN:IT
> 
> anyone know for sure what this is?
> Thanks!
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911

Yup. That`s an aftermarket,made in the 70`s. I have a few that I bought off 
ebay.I don`t remember the company name. I`ll have to dig out the box.But I do 
recall thay also made others like Plymouth and Mercury. I have a Plymouth 
one,all they did was change the sticker in the middle.

Dennis

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PM Eastern Standard Time, rocketscience442@hotmail.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&amp;category=3D34204&amp;item=3D2453676521&amp;ssP=
ageName=3DSTRK:MEBWN:IT<BR>
<BR>
anyone know for sure what this is?<BR>
Thanks!<BR>
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Chris Witt<BR>
1303 W. Miller Rd.<BR>
Lansing MI 48911</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Yup. That`s an aftermarket,made in the 70`s. I have a few that I bought off=20=
ebay.I don`t remember the company name. I`ll have to dig out the box.But I d=
o recall thay also made others like Plymouth and Mercury. I have a Plymouth=20=
one,all they did was change the sticker in the middle.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:02:41 -0500
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Hit the Penguin

 >So far my high score is 588.9 and low is 71.3
>
> I pulled a 586.7... you da man.
>
> Best Regards,
> Karl Sup
> Mesa, AZ

Ha! I got a 593 on my 8th try.

Olds content. Car came back from the body shop this week. Rear quarters are
finally primed. Finally starting to look like a car again.
 Dan
69 Cutlass convert.(made is Taiwan)

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 13:28:51 -0500
From: "Mike Stilwell" <Fleetsuper@msn.com>
Subject: Lenny Kravitz Olds

You folks see the article in the current JWO about Lenny Kravitz and his
Olds.  I guess since he just sold it, he fell out of love with his new ride.

Mike Stilwell  OCA #13273
President - Capitol City Rockets
http://www.bigmikes442.com

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:52:08 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Olds at Barrett-Jackson?

I've been watching most of this - it's a nice pastime in the middle of a
Canadian winter with the Olds hibernating in the garage - and in the parts
I've watched have only seen one Olds, the '61 Starfire (with Body by
Wurlitzer, according to Brock Yates) on Thursday night. I guess I missed
the Lenny Kravitz car. But have there been any others?

The prices the Chevys were getting last night amazed me. Why GMs cheapest
car is now worth the most baffles me, even though they were turned out
very nicely. It also strikes me that the 2 guys on stage, Alain DeCadenet
and Mike Joy, are having a ball doing this gig. Mike has an incredible
knowledge of auto trivia and you can just tell he loves cars. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 14:04:07 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: 65-67 Cutlass/442 sending unit/fuel pickup .....

Hey List,

        A while back I put out a thread about having fuel pick up
unit made available for thr 65-67 Cutlass and 442. My idea was using a
Chevelle unit which is available and adding the return line for the 442s.
I aquired a  repro Chevelle unit , sans return line,  and sent it to a list
member , in a warm climate for a field testing. I was contacted today with
the results ..........

        Ok John, your on !!!

The General       patton442@verizon.net

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 15:02:45 EST
From: James244@aol.com
Subject: Olds at Barrett-Jackson? 

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I saw a 70 442 convertible last night bring $25K, it was dark metallic brown 
with some funky striping. It had a 71 442 air clreaner and look to be a fairly 
nice car, although not a correct restoration.

James

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st night bring $25K, it was dark metallic brown with some funky striping. It=
 had a 71 442 air clreaner and look to be a fairly nice car, although not a=20=
correct restoration.<BR>
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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 16:30:11 -0500
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Non Olds

Ok ...I know we need to keep things Olds related but got to checking this
guys web site out and thought it was worth passing on. It IS car related and
he has a ton of kewl and funny pictures!

Click on the links below to check it out...

Tami


 Chris Bower
 Owner/Technician
 Peckerwoods Pit Stop
 Ventura, California

 Webmaster:
 http://www.RiceHatersClub.com

My web site:
 http://PeckerwoodsPitStop.com

 iATN Technician Sponsor
 http://members.iatn.net/pages/peckerwoods.html

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:01:58 -0500
From: "John Orr" <olds330@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: 65-67 Cutlass/442 sending unit/fuel pickup .....

    Mark sent me one of his new fuel pick-ups the other day, weather being
what it is an all 
here in Tampa,  I am glad to say that Mark did a great job of making this
unit for the cutlass.
He changed the 3/8 to 5/16 fuel line in. I first tried hooking up the leads
to make sure the it
would send to the fuel gauge, it did. Next I swapped out my old one for
Mark's, works great. I have 
left it in the car to see if anything would go wrong.  Good job Mark, it
equals the job that he does 
on his carb rebuilding!!
john 
67 cutlass supreme    


> [Original Message]
> From: The General <patton442@verizon.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: 1/24/2004 2:04:45 PM
> Subject: 65-67 Cutlass/442 sending unit/fuel pickup .....
>
> Hey List,
>
>         A while back I put out a thread about having fuel pick up
> unit made available for thr 65-67 Cutlass and 442. My idea was using a
> Chevelle unit which is available and adding the return line for the 442s.
> I acquired a  repro Chevelle unit , sans return line,  and sent it to a
list
> member , in a warm climate for a field testing. I was contacted today with
> the results ..........
>
>         Ok John, your on !!!
>
> The General       patton442@verizon.net

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 17:03:04 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Non Olds

  i liked it, who belongs to the iatn,that mail list can keep you busy  for days on end
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; <oldsgmail@spots.ab.ca>; <Cutlass442Owners@yahoogroups.com>;
"442" <442@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Saturday, January 24, 2004 4:30 PM
  Subject: Non Olds


  > Ok ...I know we need to keep things Olds related but got to checking this
  > guys web site out and thought it was worth passing on. It IS car related and
  > he has a ton of kewl and funny pictures!
  >
  > Click on the links below to check it out...
  >
  > Tami
  >
  >
  >  Chris Bower
  >  Owner/Technician
  >  Peckerwoods Pit Stop
  >  Ventura, California
  >
  >  Webmaster:
  >  http://www.RiceHatersClub.com
  >
  > My web site:
  >  http://PeckerwoodsPitStop.com
  >
  >  iATN Technician Sponsor
  >  http://members.iatn.net/pages/peckerwoods.html
  >
  >
  >

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:19:50 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Springs

Kevin,

> recently you printed a comparison of Moog front springs and their
specifications. Could you do the same for rear springs
> (some time in the near future - at your leisure) ?


What year(s)?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 20:53:23 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Non Olds

> My web site:
>  http://PeckerwoodsPitStop.com


On this site, it looks like he has a 403, illustrating the need to keep from
dropping carb mounting nuts down the carb.

Also, the grenaded AA dragster engine brings back memories. Grenaded engines
from AA Fuelies and grenaded Tork-Flytes from idiotic neutral starts.

So, Tami, your post *did* have Olds content.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 01:02:06 EST
From: Oldsfire1@aol.com
Subject: Re: anyone recognize this hood ornament? 

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Maybe a 49-50-51-52 era 88???

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 00:23:39 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Limitations of Caddy/Olds EFI system   was - Re: 455 Fuel Injection?

On Jan 22, 2004, at 9:15 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:46:44 -0700
> From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
> Subject: RE: Limitations of Caddy/Olds EFI system   was - Re: 455 Fuel 
> Injection?
>
>> Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:43:00 -0600
>> From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: Limitations of Caddy/Olds EFI system   was - Re:
>> 455 Fuel Injection?
>
> lots o' stuff snipped
>
>
>>> Kevin, what are your thoughts on this? Sounds like you're
>> researched it a bit.
>>
>> A little. First I've actually thought about the performance
>> limitations of the manifold itself, though. Take a look at
>> the pictures of the manifold at the grimers.com url above,
>> specifically http://www.grimers.com/images/olds4.jpg.
>> What do you think?
>>
>> On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...
>>
>> Kevin Wright
>> Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX
>
> I think that manifold looks (from the pictures, at least) every bit as
> good as an SD manifold plumbed for EFI, which appears to be the most
> popular choice. Maybe Chris Carson was correct in his assessment: 
> "What I
> think happened is that traditionalists took one glance at this "2bbl" 
> manifold
> and figured it would perform as well as a car with a 2bbl."
> That, coupled with the antique controller and oddball injectors may be
> the reason people pass on using it.
>
> I'm beginning to think this might be a viable EFI platform. I just 
> don't want
> to go through the learning curve the guy on that site went through.

I finally started my log. Not much there yet, mostly just some pictures 
of the stuff I've collected so far.
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/snoopy_EFI.html

Closer pictures of the intake ports:
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/efi_intake_port_detail.html
There's basically no runners at all - just an open plenum to the ports. 
Won't help low-range torque, but should work nicely with my planned 
turbochargers.

krw
>
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> Phoenix, AZ
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX

krwright@sbcgloabl.net
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:31:33 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Por 15

Dave & List,

> I think "primer" you speak of is their regular POR-15. Dries hard and
glossy
> but is UV sensitive. They also have a real primer that's soft and ands
like
> any other primer, can be used with any topcoat.


The primer was POR Tie-Coat Primer. I had a problem and asked the POR
technical guys for advice. The rust in my window channels was interspersed
with the original color coat of my '65 F-85. It was impossible to separate
the POR 15 black from the original paint and just keep it on the rusted
surfaces. I had no choice but to paint both, but the POR 15 black was stated
to not stick to the original paint. My only other choice was to sand blast
everything, which I was trying to avoid (of course, when everything failed,
I had to do it anyway). The tech guys at POR told me to buy the Tie-Coat
Primer, for it would work in reverse. Use the primer to coat everything,
then the POR 15 black would cover the primer and stick. They were dead
wrong. I followed POR's instructions. The Tie-Coat Primer stuck fairly well
to both the rust and the original paint. It was the POR 15 black that
wouldn't stick to the Tie-Coat Primer. The tech guys at POR told me to do it
that way. Maybe they didn't know what they were talking about?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:57:15 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Barrett Jackson and Everett

Had a nice time tonight at the local weekly Pavilions car show  with 
Everett Horton, his buddy from Rhode Island, and Karl Sup.  There were 931 
cars at the show tonight.  The cool (68) cloudy weather held down the 
crowd.  Everett really enjoyed the last 2 days at the Barrett Jackson 
auction, and has taken hundreds of pictures. He is already planning to come 
back next year. It will probably take a few days for Everett's lower jaw to 
get back in place after his exposure to all those nice cars.

I'm sure he will have a good report for the list early in the week.

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 23:55:26 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Rear Springs

> 
> What year(s)?
> 

Selfishly speaking....'69.  I plan on upgrading the suspension on the Cutlass soon.

Kevin :o) 

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 08:53:00 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Por 15

> I followed POR's instructions. The Tie-Coat Primer stuck fairly well
> to both the rust and the original paint. It was the POR 15 black that
> wouldn't stick to the Tie-Coat Primer. The tech guys at POR told me to do
it
> that way. Maybe they didn't know what they were talking about?

Their tech guys are usually very knowlegeable about their products and most
willing to help. I wrote POR a nastygram email once about getting poor
results with one of their products and they called me on the phone to
discuss the matter. I was cleaning the surface with an incompatible solvent.

Never having used the Tie-Coat, I can't comment on what went wrong with your
application, except to offer generic maybe's. Maybe you didn't sand the
primer well enough, maybe you cleaned the surface with laquer thinner (like
I did), maybe there was contaminents on the surface. If you followed the
published procedures to the letter, maybe the product just sucks.

drc

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 09:04:02 -0500
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: Non Olds

WHEW.....I hadnt gotten very far in the site when I sent the link
out....glad there was Olds content in there....LOL

Tami

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:12:34 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 350 rebuild progress- crank is in, bores too small? 

Finally got another 2 hours to devote to the 350 engine. Just got crank in 
place previously. Took it back out, plastigaged all the mains to find 2-2.5 
thou on 1 thru 4, and 3 thou on #5, sounds perfect to me. Put rear main seal 
in, installed crank for real. Still turns NICELY. Of course. Found that I 
inadvertently used a short HEAD BOLT for a main bolt. How to tell? Easy- 
Main bolts all have 3/4" heads, head bolts have 11/16" heads. The length is 
a teensy bit different too. Tapped threads in the snout of the crank to 
clean them out. I have never done an assembly in 10 degree weather before. I 
oiled the bolts' threads and head contact surfaces [of course] with a brush 
and 10W-40 motor oil, it stays right in place nicely.

Also got the oil gallery front plugs secured in place... with Loctite. 
Primer-painted the new Harmonic Damper after warming it up in front of the 
heater for a while. Amazing how fast paint dries on a 200 degree part. No 
worries with humidity interfering either.

Cleaned the timing cover up with solvent tank, then wire wheel, then flappy 
sanding disk on the 4" angle grinder. AMAZINGLY [ :-) ] there is no evidence 
that the cam's bolt had EVER touched the timing cover, almost as if the 
natural thrust on the camshaft is rearward, like I said. Have photos of 
that, to prove that point should it ever be necessary again. Folks at 
ROP.com had a link to a ChevyCraft article about a Mond'o 455 buildup, where 
again that myth is propogated, that the cam gets thrust forward in 
operation. Such malarkey! Same article also asserts that the round hole 
right under the "C" on a C head is an "exhaust port"... Criminy. Real 
gearheads, ayep. But, I digress...

Got keeper rings transferred to the new 4140 oil pump drive rod, installed 
that and oil pump. Got oil pickup secured into the new pump. Set it to clear 
the oil pan bottom appropriately.

Measured the piston to bore clearance, was surprised to find only 2 to 2.5 
thou. See separate email on that score. That's what the literature with the 
pistons says to set it at.

Ready to install the pistons and button up the bottom end I guess. Might 
have to finally make a semi permanent bolts holder for painting the various 
bolts. Usually, I punch holes in a pc of scrap cardboard and toss if after 
use.

PS- to the guy who suggested I just clean the bolts in the solvent tank by 
hand... yeah, that works great for 1 engine, and I did it that way this time 
[again] out of necessity. But, I am talking about cleaning a 20 year 
collection  of bolts here. I have probably 20-30 gallons of Olds fasteners. 
Not an hour's job by any stretch of the imagination. I think a tumbler can 
do a MUCH better job of it than scrubbing by hand, too. And, I get to keep 
my skin.

- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:19:23 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 350 W31 forged pistons- is 2.5 thou too tight? 

Feeler gages says piston to bore clearance just under rings is 2 to 2.5 
thou.
I thought forged pistons were supposed to be about 4-5 thou

Yet, TRW factory literature with the pistons says 2 to 2.5 thou
BUT, they list the pistons as "2320" - NOT _2320F_ as in F for FORGED.

There is no "2320F" listed on the sheet.
The largest clearance I see on the sheet of 100's of various TRW pistons is 
mabye 3.5 thou.

so....
Is this too tight?
Crank is in.
Should I dismantle and take block to machine shop for more honing? They will 
surely charge for that, because they set the clearance to just what the 
factory literature says.

Did the factory put the wrong info sheet in... one for cast pistons? Why 
would TRW not list 2320F pistons on the sheet which appears to include every 
piston they make?  Some pistons are listed with "F" suffix... but not 
2320's.

At this point I am leaning toward continuing w/ the assembly, because the 
factory lit says that the clearance is just right.

Looking at prolly another $100 and week's delay if they MUST be honed out 
larger.

What say ye, experts? Milton?
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:26:59 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: man seeks 65 Cs rear window inside corner pieces

Gerald here.I'm still looking for the rear window inside corner pieces on a
64-65 Cutlass. Have any GOOD ONES ?
Thank You
- --------------------
No, sir

Anbody on the email list can help this guy?
If so, reply directly to him please!  He's at: carmathome@comcast.net

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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:31:32 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Question for seller -- Item #2455440856

Do you have any oldsmobiles with white swivel seats?  Or white headline in 
good
shape?  Or door Panels?  We have a 1975 Cutlass 442 that we are restoring.  
Any
help would be great.
thanks,
===================
Not at this time
Email listers- can you help?
If so, contact them directly at geneonut@netzero.net
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:52:41 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 350 rebuild progress- crank is in, bores too small? 

At 11:12 AM 1/25/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>PS- to the guy who suggested I just clean the bolts in the solvent tank by 
>hand... yeah, that works great for 1 engine, and I did it that way this time 
>[again] out of necessity. But, I am talking about cleaning a 20 year 
>collection  of bolts here. I have probably 20-30 gallons of Olds fasteners. 
>Not an hour's job by any stretch of the imagination. I think a tumbler can 
>do a MUCH better job of it than scrubbing by hand, too. And, I get to keep 
>my skin.

Oh, I'm sure it will. But I'm also sure that tumbling a whole lotta buncha
bolts together like that will damage them beyond use.

Ultrasonic may be the way to go but where you'd get one of those is quite
beyond me ;o\

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 16:57:21 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 350 W31 forged pistons- is 2.5 thou too tight? 

At 11:19 AM 1/25/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>At this point I am leaning toward continuing w/ the assembly, because the 
>factory lit says that the clearance is just right.
>
>Looking at prolly another $100 and week's delay if they MUST be honed out 
>larger.
>
>What say ye, experts? Milton?

What's the application, street/strip? Then the present tighter clearance is
best; but don't you DARE let that thing overheat ;o(

They run wider clearances on race engines. If you can't confirm these are
really forged pistons and need the extra clearance, you've got a real
quandary on yer hands. Since the sheet says what you've got, I'd use that.

Ifn this's a race engine that should make moren a horse per inch, then
wider would avoid losing some power to friction.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2004 11:21:10 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Por 15

Dave,

> Maybe you didn't sand the
> primer well enough,


Instructions said sanding wasn't necessary or particularly desirable.


> maybe you cleaned the surface with laquer thinner (like
> I did),


Surface cleaned with POR Marine Clean and then used the POR Metal
Condidtioner.


> maybe there was contaminents on the surface.


That's a posibility, but I have no idea what it could have been. The only
other posibility is that normal polyurethanes, which POR is, require a
certain amonut of humidity to cure properly. Typically, that's about 50%
minimum. For Arizona to have 50% humidity, it has to be raining. That's not
a joke. That's real. The lack of humidity for the cure could have been a
factor.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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