
oldsmobile-digest      Monday, February 9 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4770



404584 water pump ....
Re: No Compression in rebuilt 455
Need a Pulley
Re: 404584 water pump ....
Re:Good tool recommendation- wrinkle band ring compressor
Hillbilly trap
Re: Hillbilly trap
Re: Hillbilly trap
Re: Hillbilly trap
Olds in Movies (Mine - Almost!)
starter solenoid frozen in ON position?
Re: starter solenoid frozen in ON position?
Re: starter solenoid frozen in ON position?
Date:   Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:28:06 -0500
Re: '77 & '84 Delta 88 Brake Systems
RE: No Compression in rebuilt 455

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 11:55:25 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 404584 water pump ....

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:00:07 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: 404584 water pump ....

OK list,
        I just came across a 404584 water pump .....
WHATSITSFIT  ???????\
The General       patton442@verizon.net
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I believe that fits an Oldsmobile V8. :-)

I lost that database, but if you have the large pump ID off the RH outlet 
boss, I might be able to help. Basically, you have 3 different lengths of 
water pump [timing cover mtg surface to pulley mtg surface]: 5.1, 5.6, 6.0 
inches. Couple different variations in impeller size, too.

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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 11:09:16 -0600
From: "Tom Jones" <tom.bearsfan@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: No Compression in rebuilt 455

Don't think it is a cam problem....broke it in ok and the rockers were all
working fine when cranked with the starter during compression test.
I have not seen any water in the oil or vice-versa.....I will let you know
what
I find when the head gets pulled.

Tom J.

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:31:08 -0500
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Need a Pulley

Anyone have a 3 groove lower pulley, Code "KC" ?

Part number 399405.

Going to the dyno in March - need to get all the details done.

TIA

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967

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Date: Sun, 8 Feb 2004 13:34:24 EST
From: S61starfir@aol.com
Subject: Re: 404584 water pump ....

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In a message dated 2/8/2004 11:04:30 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
patton442@verizon.net writes:
OK list,

        I just came across a 404584 water pump .....
WHATSITSFIT  ???????
    From the yellow "Oldsmobile Numbers Swap Meet Guide" that was put out by 
Dennis Mothershed Of OVC Industries and gives credit to a lot of notable 
sources.
    This number is not listed but at the bottom of the listing he states 
"Casting numbers 398681, 400289,404584 & 404847 can't be verified in any GM 
document at this time. Also samples have not been found to verify origin."


Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 19:30:58 -0600
From: Texas442 <Texas442@Texas442.com>
Subject: Re:Good tool recommendation- wrinkle band ring compressor

Chris,
I uploaded your photo.  Here is the link:
http://www.texas442.com/tools/4036_B-350_Piston-Inst_A2-Tap-in.jpg

Ali

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 20:51:59 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hillbilly trap

Today I got a pretty funny photo of my brother's Hillbilly Trap. In action. 
Anyone wanna see it?
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 20:56:25 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <64f-85@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Hillbilly trap

Hi Chris,
    I'd like to se it. Thanks,
Gene
64f-85@comcast.net

Christopher Witt wrote:

> Today I got a pretty funny photo of my brother's Hillbilly Trap. In 
> action. Anyone wanna see it?
>

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 20:15:35 -0600
From: "Branson Sparks" <bsparks@gosparkle.net>
Subject: Re: Hillbilly trap

*This message was transferred with a trial version of CommuniGate(tm) Pro*
I live in Louisiana, so I'd love to see it, but I'm
afraid... because usually I find myself commenting about
how true it is.


- --Branson



> Today I got a pretty funny photo of my brother's
> Hillbilly Trap. In action. Anyone wanna see it?

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 23:01:22 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <oldsmagnet@oldsmagnet.com>
Subject: Re: Hillbilly trap

> Today I got a pretty funny photo of my brother's Hillbilly Trap. In 
> action. Anyone wanna see it?

I ~gotta~ see this -- partly because I ~think~ I remember seeing the trap 
in it's baited/loaded state.....  if I'm rememberring the right thing 
here........

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|  mailto:442@oldsmagnet.com  |=========|         1897 -- 2004        |
=\ Charley Buehner Sidney MT /===========\      Shot In The Back     /=

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Date: Sun, 08 Feb 2004 23:06:02 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <oldsmagnet@oldsmagnet.com>
Subject: Olds in Movies (Mine - Almost!)

"Thirteen" - (story about a kid growing up too fast - good show, I thought, 
along with a bunch of scenes that made me feel like a dirty old man - but I 
digress...)

Late in the show, stepfather type figure picks up the girl walking home 
from school - in an old convertible.  Didn't notice anything distinguishing 
about it, but it caught my eye.  (They'd cameo'd a rustang earlier, I 
didn't have high hopes)  Next scene shows this ragtop coming around the 
corner, and low and behold we have what appears to be a 67 Delta or Ninety 
Eight convertible - smokey blue.  VERY little was shown of the car, and I 
was too stunned and impressed to make out any small details of the car. 
All I could think was 'hey, that's my car... except it runs... and is a 
different color... and doesn't look nearly as beat up.....  LOL

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=/   http://oldsmagnet.com   \===========/         Oldsmobile        \=
|  mailto:442@oldsmagnet.com  |=========|         1897 -- 2004        |
=\ Charley Buehner Sidney MT /===========\      Shot In The Back     /=

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 00:31:46 -0800
From: geo.aigel@netzero.net
Subject: starter solenoid frozen in ON position?

The 442 is spending the rainy season outside under a quality car cover. I 
start it twice a month, weather permitting and take it for a spin.

Tried this weekend and the battery seemed dead. Click - but no turning 
over. Put the battery charger on it with the jump start high current mode. 
Click and then without me turning the key any more: BRRRRRRR - high current 
noise of a short. It didn't stop shortening the battery until I had the 
charger off and the battery disconnected.

I think the battery was half dead, otherwise the starter would have turned. 
Now it probably is completely dead. But why would there be a closed loop / 
circuit without me turning the ignition key???

What's going on?

What should I buy for next weekend. I need to get it started. I HATE cars 
that don't run. I am thinking a battery and a starter w/ solenoid?

TIA, George

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 02:53:01 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: starter solenoid frozen in ON position?

Pull the starter and connect it direct to a good battery with jumper cables
and see if it will spin. Determine from that if it's the solenoid only or
both the solenoid and starter. I'll bet the contact ring in the solenoid has
welded itself to the contact button and then something arced to ground. Then
bite the bullet and buy a gel OPTIMA battery. OPTIMA batteries are
indestructible. I've never seen a battery work so well, ever. You won't
regret getting an OPTIMA.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <geo.aigel@netzero.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, February 09, 2004 1:31 AM
Subject: starter solenoid frozen in ON position?


> The 442 is spending the rainy season outside under a quality car cover. I
> start it twice a month, weather permitting and take it for a spin.
>
> Tried this weekend and the battery seemed dead. Click - but no turning
> over. Put the battery charger on it with the jump start high current mode.
> Click and then without me turning the key any more: BRRRRRRR - high
current
> noise of a short. It didn't stop shortening the battery until I had the
> charger off and the battery disconnected.
>
> I think the battery was half dead, otherwise the starter would have
turned.
> Now it probably is completely dead. But why would there be a closed loop /
> circuit without me turning the ignition key???
>
> What's going on?
>
> What should I buy for next weekend. I need to get it started. I HATE cars
> that don't run. I am thinking a battery and a starter w/ solenoid?
>
> TIA, George
>
>

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:05:49 -0500
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: starter solenoid frozen in ON position?

Is the Optima one of those non-vented top batteries that will work well with
a vintage style battery cover sold by many parts suppliers?

Enjoy!
Rob
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: starter solenoid frozen in ON position?

> Then
> bite the bullet and buy a gel OPTIMA battery. OPTIMA batteries are
> indestructible. I've never seen a battery work so well, ever. You won't
> regret getting an OPTIMA.

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:28:06 -0500
From: "Dick Shade" <oldolds@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: Date:   Mon, 9 Feb 2004 09:28:06 -0500

PLEASE REMOVE OLDOLDS@NYCAP.RR.COM  FROM MAILING LIST.

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Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 15:14:02 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: '77 & '84 Delta 88 Brake Systems

> and I should just go back to '77 calipers?

Uh, that's my vote.  Not only does it seem simpler now, but think of the next owner years down the line trying to get brake parts...

Paul

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Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 11:00:22 -0600
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: RE: No Compression in rebuilt 455

Try putting the rockers back on and turning the motor to the point where both valves are closed.  Check to see if one of the push rods is looser than the others.  If so, inspect the valve to make sure it is truly coming up all the way.  

I had a valve that got stuck when I let a new motor over heat.  I was literally sick.  I pulled the valve cover and found the exhaust valve stuck completely open.  I after a few strikes with a large hammer it closed a little.  I gave it another dozen or so whacks and it completely closed.  Compression check still showed 0 though.  I fired the motor up with the compression checker in the bad cylinder and it showed about 50 lbs of pressure.  The engine ran much better than when the valve was stuck completely open.  I put everything back together and ran the engine for 5 minutes.  Then checked compression.  This time there was actually a reading. Something like 10 lbs.  I decided to just drive it and monitor the compression.  Within 20 miles it was back up to over 100 lbs.  The rest of the cylinders are 150.  It took 200 miles, but the motor is back to normal now.  I suspect I have a slightly bent valve and a worn valve guide.  

   mike

Mike Schlottman
Sr. Systems Administrator
Society of Petroleum Engineers
222 Palisades Creek Drive 
Richardson, TX 75083
972-952-9382


 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Tom Jones [mailto:tom.bearsfan@verizon.net]
 > Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2004 8:08 PM
 > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 > Subject: No Compression in rebuilt 455
 > 
 > 
 > I was having trouble with the vacuum readings on my 455 that 
 > I had rebuilt.
 > The vacuum readings were very erratic from 3inhg to 20inhg 
 > swinging at idle
 > and at higher rpm.
 > I then compression tested and got good readings in 7 out of 
 > 8.  Number 2
 > cylinder
 > had zero yes thats right zero compression.  I hooked up my 
 > compressor with
 > 15psi
 > to the # 2 spark plug and removed the rocker arms to ensure 
 > the valves
 > should be closed.
 > It sounds as if I am getting air through the exhaust.  I 
 > plan to block the
 > exhaust port tomorrow
 > with a piece of cardborad or aluminium between the head and 
 > the manifold and
 > re-pressurize to see
 > if I get leaks anywhere else.  This motor has only about 2 
 > hours of run time
 > on it and has ony been driven
 > around the block once.  Is it possible all my compression 
 > loss is due to a
 > leaking or failed exhaust valve?
 > I have never seen one get no compression at all I don't 
 > think it would even
 > blow out a match in front of the spark plug hole.  What do 
 > you experts out
 > there think ?
 > 
 > 

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