
oldsmobile-digest      Friday, January 16 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4744



fan clutch 81CS
Re: 68 442 motor mount [was 68 442 motor mount pad]
Re: fan clutch 81CS
Re: fan clutch 81CS
Re: 68 442 motor mount [was 68 442 motor mount pad]
Re: 68 442 motor mount [was 68 442 motor mount pad]
Re: fan clutch 81CS
Re: Headers for 1970 98
Re: Headers for 1970 98
Re: 68 442 motor mount [was 68 442 motor mount pad]
Re: Headers for 1970 98
Fw: 68 442 motor mounts    
Re: 68 442 motor mounts    
Re: 68 442 motor mounts    
turn signal switch
Re: fan clutch 81CS
Re: 68 442 motor mounts    
Re: fan clutch 81CS
Re: fan clutch 81CS
Re: fan clutch 81CS
Dualjet works...
Re: fan clutch 81CS
Re: fan clutch 81CS
Re: Dualjet works...
Re: A Little Humor
Re: Headers for 1970 98 - enlighten the A-body guys .........
Re: Headers for 1970 98 - enlighten the A-body guys .........
Re: Dualjet works...
Re: fan clutch 81CS
Many TH400 cores today, 455-N crank, 1966 AC core/housing
Re: fan clutch 81CS
Re: fan clutch 81CS
Re: Headers for 1970 98 - enlighten the A-body guys .........

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:51:29 -0300
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: fan clutch 81CS

H*lp needed!
The viscous fan clutch in the 81CS 260ci is bad. Any chance it would be a
generic GM part or I must search a special clutch for my car? I hope not...
nobody stocks this part down here...
Any clue will be welcomed!
Rgdso all
Matt

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 07:11:41 -0800 (PST)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 68 442 motor mount [was 68 442 motor mount pad]

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> New local information coming to me this evening tells me that the 
mount
> frame pads for a 400 in 1968 are the same as a 350.  Its the 455 ones 
that
> are different, in that they are notched between the top two bolts.
 
a 455 in a 68 442??!!?!?!?  no such factory animal.  NOW, if you are talking 70-72 442, then YES, the frame pads ARE different.

>From the Sealed Power Engine And Transmission Mount Catalog - 1982:

>1964-1969, all V8 except with 400 = 270-2261
>and that's all that's shown, period.

>Now, I don't know why the catalog says "except 400." I use the 270-2261
>mounts on my 455, sitting on the original 330 frame pads, in my '64 442
>Cutlass, Thunder Lizard. Everything fits fine.


yes, they would and should "fit fine".  I've got a 455 in a factory equiped 350 car mixing the 350 frame mounts with (I think) 455 motor mounts, it fits.  However, whether this relates to pre-68 or not, I'm not sure.  When you swap a 455 into an a-body car with a factory installed 350, YOU MUST USE THE FRAME MOUNTS AND MOTOR MOUNTS AS A MATCHED SET if you want the crank centerline to be in the correct position in relation to other items on the car.  like the fan for instance.  On my car, I have the fan hitting the fan shroud because of the mix -n- match setup.  But that doesn't concern me, especially since my original W-31 motor is getting rebuilt and will be put back in the car.  Joe Padavano posted a VERY thorough email to the list about this years ago.  I have that somewhere, or search the archives.  (is it in the FAQ?)

Chris

grp442@yahoo.com


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<DIV>&gt; New local information coming to me this evening tells me that the <BR>mount<BR>&gt; frame pads for a 400 in 1968 are the same as a 350.&nbsp; Its the 455 ones <BR>that<BR>&gt; are different, in that they are notched between the top two bolts.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>a 455 in a 68 442??!!?!?!?&nbsp; no such factory animal.&nbsp; NOW, if you are talking 70-72 442, then YES, the frame pads ARE different.<BR><BR>&gt;From the Sealed Power Engine And Transmission Mount Catalog - 1982:<BR><BR>&gt;1964-1969, all V8 except with 400 = 270-2261<BR>&gt;and that's all that's shown, period.<BR><BR>&gt;Now, I don't know why the catalog says "except 400." I use the 270-2261<BR>&gt;mounts on my 455, sitting on the original 330 frame pads, in my '64 442<BR>&gt;Cutlass, Thunder Lizard. Everything fits fine.<BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>yes, they would and should "fit fine".&nbsp; I've got a 455 in a factory equiped 350 car mixing the 350 frame mounts with (I think) 455 motor mounts, it fits.&nbsp; However, whether this relates to pre-68 or not, I'm not sure.&nbsp; When you swap a 455 into an a-body&nbsp;car with a factory installed 350, YOU MUST&nbsp;USE THE FRAME MOUNTS AND MOTOR MOUNTS AS A MATCHED SET if you want the crank centerline to be in the correct position in relation to other items on the car.&nbsp; like the fan for instance.&nbsp; On my car, I have the fan hitting the fan shroud because of the mix&nbsp;-n- match setup.&nbsp; But that doesn't concern me, especially since my original W-31 motor is getting rebuilt and will be put back in the car.&nbsp; Joe Padavano posted a VERY thorough email to the list about this years ago.&nbsp; I have that somewhere, or search the archives.&nbsp; (is it in the FAQ?)</DIV>
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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 09:57:35 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS

> H*lp needed!
> The viscous fan clutch in the 81CS 260ci is bad. Any chance it would be a
> generic GM part or I must search a special clutch for my car? I hope
not...
> nobody stocks this part down here...
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Readily available in both AC Delco and aftermarket lines.  If you can't find
one locally, hit me privately and I'll send you one.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:27:09 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS

At Thursday, 15 January 2004, you wrote:

>H*lp needed!
>The viscous fan clutch in the 81CS 260ci is bad. Any chance 
>it would be a generic GM part or I must search a special 
>clutch for my car? I hope not...
>nobody stocks this part down here...
>Any clue will be welcomed!

Strange that nobody would have the fan clutch, even in Chile. It's 
a commonly-replaced, generic item available almost anywhere up here.
Do a search at http://www.autozone.com for example; use almost any 
US zip code just so you can see the availability and prices. In case 
they're doing something strange with their web site... the fan clutch 
is U$54.99 and Imperial PN 215046. It seems to be generic to all 
Olds V8s.

SteveH



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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:36:27 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 68 442 motor mount [was 68 442 motor mount pad]

At Thursday, 15 January 2004, you wrote:

>Joe Padavano posted a VERY thorough email to the list about 
>this years ago.  I have that somewhere, or search the archives. 
>(is it in the FAQ?)

<... sigh...> on Cliffy's site:
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/Tech/Mounts.html

SteveH



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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:37:07 EST
From: S61starfir@aol.com
Subject: Re: 68 442 motor mount [was 68 442 motor mount pad]

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In a message dated 1/15/2004 12:01:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
imp@theriver.com writes:
local information coming to me this evening tells me that the mount
> frame pads for a 400 in 1968 are the same as a 350.  Its the 455 ones that
> are different, in that they are notched between the top two bolts.


Why? That doesn't make any sense. The 400 and 455 are the same block.
There's no reason for a 455 to have a different mounting pad.
     350 & 400 are the same in 68-69 A body the 455 are different in 70-72 A 
body from the 350

Everett   OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:42:39 -0300
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS

Thanks guys! Would it be generic to all GM cars or a special Olds model?
rgds
Matt

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 11:35:37 -0500
From: robert.demuth@prudential.com
Subject: Re: Headers for 1970 98

Ken Treharn wrote:
>>>
... I have NEVER seen headers for the 1965 to
1970 B-bodies. ...
<<<

Ever seen them for the '71-76 B-bodies?  I asked a few years back, when I
first got the car, and tha answer was "no," unless I do a custom
headers-by-ed set ... just wondering if there's anything different
nowadays.  Right now, I'm running the stock l/s (left, or driver's side)
cast iron manifold, and on the r/s, a manifold off a '79 Eldo Olds 350,
with no x-over input.  So I've got the true duals, but attractively ppriced
headers would sure be nice.

Later in the same digest, BrianM wrote:

>>>
...To build a set of headers for these cars, it
would probably look like a set of manifolds for a
94-96 Impala SS, with the header pipes going up beside
the engine before coming back down towards the ground.
<<<

Heh ... I've got that.  And if they're Arizona Speed and Marine, like I
have, you can't get the valve covers off without removing the headers :(

Bob DeMuth.
'72 88 Conv
'96 Impala SS
'95 Ram 1500 4x4

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:36:56 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Headers for 1970 98

> ... I have NEVER seen headers for the 1965 to
> 1970 B-bodies. ...
> <<<
>
> Ever seen them for the '71-76 B-bodies?


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This topic has been beaten to death in the past.  I wish there was a good
searchable archive for this list.  (Maybe there is and I don't know about
it?)

'65-'70 full size Olds (88 and 98) have the steering box and linkage behind
the frame head which means the only good way to add dual exhausts is with
the factory "S" manifold which originally came on '65-'67 models with the
Starfire 425 (standard on Starfire and optional on all other big RWD cars
except the Jetstar 88) and the '68-'70 455 "Highway Patrol" police engine
which was optional on the 88.  There was still a stand alone dual exhaust
option in early '68, so some otherwise standard 88 and 98 models may have it
in that year.  There was no factory dual exhaust option for the 98 in '69
and '70.

'71-'76 was a completely different car with a forward mounted steering
linkage.  Lots of off the shelf headers work just fine, as do all sorts of
readily available manifolds.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:00:40 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 68 442 motor mount [was 68 442 motor mount pad]

> yes, they would and should "fit fine".  I've got a 455 in a factory >
equiped 350 car mixing the 350 frame mounts with (I think) 455 > motor
mounts, it fits.  However, whether this relates to pre-68 or not, I'm not
sure.  When you swap a 455 into an a-body car with a factory installed 350,
YOU MUST USE THE FRAME MOUNTS AND MOTOR MOUNTS AS A MATCHED SET if you want
the crank centerline to be in the correct position in relation to > other
items on the car.


Definitely NOT on any '64-'68.

The problem arises in '69 and later years. I forgot why the listing was
wrong, which was for '69.

Go to http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/Tech/Mounts.html

Joe's own words:

"This is a classic example of an incorrect catalog listing. The problem is
that the 64-69 small block and 65-68 big block motor mounts are identical.
The 1969 400 mounts (and 455 for the 69 H/O) were changed to the taller
design used on the 69-72 cars. The small block mounts were changed in 1970.
The listing should say '1964-69 all V8 exc. 1969 w/400'."

"History
1964 - 1968 small and big block motor mounts 270-2261
1969 - 1972 small block motor mounts 270-2261
1969 - 1972 big block motor mounts 270-2328
1973 - up small and big block motor mounts 270-2380"

The guy has a '68. Use the 270-2261 and the original frame pads and
everything will fit perfectly.

What's really more interesting is that high quality current manufacture
270-2261 mounts are interlocked.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:16:31 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Headers for 1970 98

Bob,

> Ever seen them for the '71-76 B-bodies?  I asked a few years back, when I
> first got the car, and tha answer was "no," unless I do a custom
> headers-by-ed set ... just wondering if there's anything different
> nowadays.


I don't remember what engine you have. However:

Hooker Super Competition '71-'75 Delta 88 400-455 #3101 (1 3/4") and 3202 (1
7/8")
Hooker Competition (a cheaper header) '71-'75 Delta 88 400-455 #3902 (1
3/4")

If you have a small block, the 1 3/4" headers would fit, but they will hang
down about 1 1/2" too low and will drag over curbs and other interesting
objects. It's because of the difference in deck height between a small block
and big block.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:35:10 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Fw: 68 442 motor mounts    

> Hey List,
> 
>             Straight from Fusicks catalog .....
> 
> 602-1109       65-68 400
> 31-2261         64-72 small block
> 31-2328           69-72 big block
> 
> The General

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:34:25 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: 68 442 motor mounts    

Hey List,

            Straight from Fusicks catalog .....

602-1109       65-68 400
31-2261         64-72 small block
31-2328           69-72 big block

The General

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 13:18:46 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 68 442 motor mounts    

I also had a 1993 Sealed Power engine and transmission mount catalog that I
didn't look in before. I always figure the older catalog is more correct.
The '93 shows '65-'67 A-body big block as 270-2261, '69 A-body big block as
270-2328, and '70-'75 A-body big block as 270-2328. The listing skips over a
400 in a '68 A-body, then turns around and makes the same mistake again,
contradicting the previous listing, by showing 270-2261 for a 455 in a
'68-'69 A-body. Go figure.

I sure wonder what a 602-1109 from Fusicks looks like?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


> Hey List,
>
>             Straight from Fusicks catalog .....
>
> 602-1109       65-68 400
> 31-2261         64-72 small block
> 31-2328           69-72 big block
>
> The General

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:33:35 EST
From: Ayashkeefer@aol.com
Subject: turn signal switch

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does anyone know where i can find a turn signal switch for a 1960 super 
88.keith.

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 15:34:53 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS

GM used different clutches throughout.  The fans tend to have different bolt 
circles and the water pump shafts do too, so you can't mix and match too 
well.



Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser





>From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 12:42:39 -0300
>
>Thanks guys! Would it be generic to all GM cars or a special Olds model?
>rgds
>Matt

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 14:00:26 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 68 442 motor mounts    

Straight from Fusicks catalog .....

602-1109       65-68 400 = $26.50 ea.
31-2261         64-72 small block = $24.50 ea.
31-2328           69-72 big block = $23.50 ea.

Sealed Power 270-2261 = $8.00 ea.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:57:19 -0300
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS

Ok, got, thanks a lot, Dave
Matt

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 16:59:59 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS

At Thursday, 15 January 2004, you wrote:

>Thanks guys! Would it be generic to all GM cars or a special 
>Olds model?

Search the Autozone site; very likely generic to almost all GMs or 
at least GM V8s and probly Frods, too.

If it fits and keeps yer engine cool, then who cares what it's sposed 
to fit, eh  ;o\

SteveH



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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:16:32 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS

At Thursday, 15 January 2004, you wrote:

>GM used different clutches throughout. The fans tend to have 
>different bolt circles and the water pump shafts do too, so 
>you can't mix and match too well.

That's why the bolt holes in the aftermarket-replacement fan clutches 
are slotted: to fit more than one application.

SteveH



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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:16:46 -0300
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Dualjet works...

Thanks to the parts Ron sent me, I will be able to pass the sniffer test
with the 81CS... the good old 260 carburated with no ECU influence works
just nice... BTW anybody selling a HEI pre CCCS? With the vacuum advance and
working? If I dont use the computer any more I better have the vacuum adv
for the street driving, right?
Matt

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:27:45 -0300
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS

Steve - thanks....
Well, all is nice, but when I look at those clutches, there are 9 to chose,
HD, centrifugal, std, etc...
.... any clue to choose, please!!!!!
Matt

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:03:16 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS

At 07:27 PM 1/15/2004 -0300, you wrote:
>Steve - thanks....
>Well, all is nice, but when I look at those clutches, there are 9 to chose,
>HD, centrifugal, std, etc...
>.... any clue to choose, please!!!!!

Look at them where?????? Just go to http://www.autozone.com and you'll find
that PN I gave earlier. Or go to http://www.partsamerica.com and find the
same PN, listed as "Severe Duty" for $59.99; or a non-thermal type, 211049,
for $20.99; or a standard thermal type, PN 215049, for $30.74. The choice
is yours. If your normal temp in the summertime rarely exceeds, say, 100
degrees, then I'd think the standard duty would be just fine. If you're in
a location like, for example, Phoenix or Death Valley, then perhaps the
Severe Duty would be better.

I'd have to look at the CSM to see what the non-thermal type is used for.

SteveH

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 18:48:55 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Dualjet works...

  matt i have a hei dist from a 77 olds 350 should work just fine.with the 260
  glad the parts helped you out
  ron
   ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
  To: "Olds digest" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 5:16 PM
  Subject: Dualjet works...


  > Thanks to the parts Ron sent me, I will be able to pass the sniffer test
  > with the 81CS... the good old 260 carburated with no ECU influence works
  > just nice... BTW anybody selling a HEI pre CCCS? With the vacuum advance and
  > working? If I dont use the computer any more I better have the vacuum adv
  > for the street driving, right?
  > Matt
  > 
  > 

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 19:02:39 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: A Little Humor

  it takes all kinds of people,  it keeps life humorous
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Dan Bodine" <danbodine@prairieinet.net>
  To: "OldsList" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 10:18 PM
  Subject: A Little Humor


  > This probably has been around before, but what the heck.
  > 
  > 
  > Subject: Engine Part 710
  >  
  > 
  > A few days ago I was having some work done at my local garage. 
  > 
  > A blonde came in and asked for a seven-hundred-ten.
  > 
  > 
  > We all looked at each other and another customer asked, 
  > 
  > "What is a seven-hundred-ten?" She replied, "You know, 
  > 
  > the little piece in the middle of the engine, I have lost it 
  > 
  > and need a new one.."
  >  
  > She replied that she did not know exactly what it was, 
  > 
  > but this piece had always been there.
  >  
  > The mechanic gave her a piece of paper and a pen and 
  > 
  > asked her to draw what the piece looked like. She drew 
  > 
  > a circle and in the middle of it wrote 710.
  >  
  > He then took her over to another car which had its hood up 
  > 
  > and asked "is there a 710 on this car?" She pointed and said, 
  > 
  > "Of course, its right there."
  >  
  > If your not sure what a 710 is, click here. 
  > 
  > (or copy and paste to your browser)
  >  
  > http://rtccom.net/~mfjgolf/710.jpg
  > 

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:14:21 EST
From: Oldsfire1@aol.com
Subject: Re: Headers for 1970 98 - enlighten the A-body guys .........

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I have a 66 Starfire and a 67 Delta 88 Holiday Coupe and have been wrestling 
with this problem for a long time.  I think I can build a set of headers for 
one of mine, the other already has the factory stock dual headers.  But it is 
going to take some imagination to get it done.  I did look into a parts 
interchange manual once and there was one year of  the Cutlass/442 that used the 
exact same LH header as my Starfire. I will have to see if I can find it again.  
But if this turns out to be fact I was wondering if an aftermarket header for 
that particular Cutlass/442 would also fit on the B Body cars of 65 to 70 yrs.  
Will let you know more when I find out something!!!  
John A. Oldsfire1@aol.com

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oliday Coupe and have been wrestling with this problem for a long time.&nbsp=
; I think I can build a set of headers for one of mine, the other already ha=
s the factory stock dual headers.&nbsp; But it is going to take some imagina=
tion to get it done.&nbsp; I did look into a parts interchange manual once a=
nd there was one year of&nbsp; the Cutlass/442 that used the exact same LH h=
eader as my Starfire. I will have to see if I can find it again.&nbsp; But i=
f this turns out to be fact I was wondering if an aftermarket header for tha=
t particular Cutlass/442 would also fit on the B Body cars of 65 to 70 yrs.&=
nbsp; Will let you know more when I find out something!!!&nbsp; </FONT></DIV=
>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#8000ff size=3D4>John A. <A href=3D"mailto:Oldsfire1@aol.=
com">Oldsfire1@aol.com</A></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 23:13:10 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Headers for 1970 98 - enlighten the A-body guys .........

John,

> I did look into a parts
> interchange manual once and there was one year of  the Cutlass/442 that
used the
> exact same LH header as my Starfire. I will have to see if I can find it
again.
> But if this turns out to be fact I was wondering if an aftermarket header
for
> that particular Cutlass/442 would also fit on the B Body cars of 65 to 70
yrs.


It would be a miracle if it did fit, but two determining factors will be any
interference from the previously mentioned steering box and the relative
location of the engine supporting crossmember. That crossmember is located
farther to the rear in a '68 and up A-body as compared to a '64-'67 A-body.
That's why there's sometimes a different header listing for '64-'67 and
'68-'72, particularly with a big block using primaries of 1 7/8" or larger.
If you do find a header that will semi-fit, expect to use a torch and
ballpeen hammer to make contoured dents for clearance on close encounters
and even to cut sections of primary tubes out and weld new bends and turns
into the offending primary to make the header work. That's been done before
on unusual applications, and if the headers fit close enough, you can do it
again.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 10:12:43 -0300
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Dualjet works...

Tell me if it works ok, the HEI, than how much and I will send you money by
post..
rgds
MAtt
>   matt i have a hei dist from a 77 olds 350 should work just fine.with the
260
>   glad the parts helped you out
>   ron
>    ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
>   To: "Olds digest" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>   Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 5:16 PM
>   Subject: Dualjet works...
>
>
>   > Thanks to the parts Ron sent me, I will be able to pass the sniffer
test
>   > with the 81CS... the good old 260 carburated with no ECU influence
works
>   > just nice... BTW anybody selling a HEI pre CCCS? With the vacuum
advance and
>   > working? If I dont use the computer any more I better have the vacuum
adv
>   > for the street driving, right?
>   > Matt
>   >
>   >
>
>

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:24:38 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS

I understand what you are saying, but some use fan blades with different 
diameter openings as well.  We ran into this when trying to use Chevy, Buick 
and Olds pieces on my son's Cutlass.  We ended up at NAPA getting parts that 
would fit instead of using used stuff laying around the shop.

Of course by the time the new clutch took out the new radiator we went with 
electric fans.  Apparently the bearings in those clutches don't like the 
motor turning 6000 rpm's on a regular basis.



Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser





>From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS
>Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:16:32 -0500
>
>At Thursday, 15 January 2004, you wrote:
>
> >GM used different clutches throughout. The fans tend to have
> >different bolt circles and the water pump shafts do too, so
> >you can't mix and match too well.
>
>That's why the bolt holes in the aftermarket-replacement fan clutches
>are slotted: to fit more than one application.

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:46:22 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Many TH400 cores today, 455-N crank, 1966 AC core/housing

Today's acquisitions, up for grabs...

Another Nodular 455 AT crankshaft, std/std sized
1966 A-body Air Conditioning core and 'glass housing, real nice cond. Goes 
in firewall.
7 transes, none will bolt up to a BOP though. 2x 2-spds, and 5.5x TH400's. 
[oh, the shame!]

More stuff on the way today or tomorrow.

All are cores that need to be rebuilt. One is broken case and half the guts 
hanging out. Thus the ".5" trans.

Can ship transes FedEx anywhere you like. Prefer buyer pickup, though.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:46:32 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS

   matt if you can not find a clutch fan assy. there
   a ford 302 clutch fans use same dia hub and bolt spaceing as the olds 350 so i would say it's the
same on a 260
  i found out they fit when my brand new  a/c delco clutch fan blew apart on a road trip to iowa.
what fun it was useing parts from other manufactures  cars to get the car out of some small a$$ town
in p.a. off rt 33
  knew i was in trouble whe sign read,
  auto repairs,used parts,  tackle and bate, also carry amunition.
  as soon as i found a larger town with auto parts store and dealer ship, replaced rad,shroud and
fan,with clutch hub. and hood  from local bone yard.
  ron

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 8:24 AM
  Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS


  > I understand what you are saying, but some use fan blades with different
  > diameter openings as well.  We ran into this when trying to use Chevy, Buick
  > and Olds pieces on my son's Cutlass.  We ended up at NAPA getting parts that
  > would fit instead of using used stuff laying around the shop.
  >
  > Of course by the time the new clutch took out the new radiator we went with
  > electric fans.  Apparently the bearings in those clutches don't like the
  > motor turning 6000 rpm's on a regular basis.
  >
  >
  >
  > Dave Wyatt
  > 70  4-4-2
  > 67 Vista Cruiser
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > >From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
  > >Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
  > >To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
  > >Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS
  > >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 17:16:32 -0500
  > >
  > >At Thursday, 15 January 2004, you wrote:
  > >
  > > >GM used different clutches throughout. The fans tend to have
  > > >different bolt circles and the water pump shafts do too, so
  > > >you can't mix and match too well.
  > >
  > >That's why the bolt holes in the aftermarket-replacement fan clutches
  > >are slotted: to fit more than one application.
  >
  > _________________________________________________________________
  > Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers!
  > http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418
  >
  >

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:29:54 -0300
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: fan clutch 81CS

All that is nice, but... the price of a HD clutch is so high! 70 to 90 usd,
and it can blow or stop working in less than 1 year....
BTW, nice shop! Once I saw a shop with electrical motors and shoes on the
same window, shoes for ladies they were!
Matt




>    matt if you can not find a clutch fan assy. there
>    a ford 302 clutch fans use same dia hub and bolt spaceing as the olds
350 so i would say it's the
> same on a 260
>   i found out they fit when my brand new  a/c delco clutch fan blew apart
on a road trip to iowa.
> what fun it was useing parts from other manufactures  cars to get the car
out of some small a$$ town
> in p.a. off rt 33
>   knew i was in trouble whe sign read,
>   auto repairs,used parts,  tackle and bate, also carry amunition.
>   as soon as i found a larger town with auto parts store and dealer ship,
replaced rad,shroud and
> fan,with clutch hub. and hood  from local bone yard.
>   ron
>
>

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Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2004 11:33:26 -0500
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Headers for 1970 98 - enlighten the A-body guys .........

Thanks for checking on that!!!!!! I def would like to know, I have a 70 98

paulbunyan

Oldsfire1@aol.com wrote:

> I have a 66 Starfire and a 67 Delta 88 Holiday Coupe and have been 
> wrestling with this problem for a long time.  I think I can build a 
> set of headers for one of mine, the other already has the factory 
> stock dual headers.  But it is going to take some imagination to get 
> it done.  I did look into a parts interchange manual once and there 
> was one year of  the Cutlass/442 that used the exact same LH header as 
> my Starfire. I will have to see if I can find it again.  But if this 
> turns out to be fact I was wondering if an aftermarket header for that 
> particular Cutlass/442 would also fit on the B Body cars of 65 to 70 
> yrs.  Will let you know more when I find out something!!! 
> John A. Oldsfire1@aol.com <mailto:Oldsfire1@aol.com>

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