
oldsmobile-digest      Friday, February 20 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4784



Re: Of Airbags and Crush Zones
Re: muscle cars handling
Re: RE: megasquirt?
Re: 63 Olds - Radiator Hose
Re: krwright@sbcglobal.net
2 Grand Air Cleaner
Re: SERIOUS vibration
RE: 2 Grand Air Cleaner
Re: 2 Grand Air Cleaner
RE: Longevity of newer vs. Older
69 camaro
Re: Of Airbags and Crush Zones
Re: Re: Longevity of newer vs. Older
Starter problems, 93 fwd Pontiac and 64 Olds Super 88.
RE: Re: Longevity of newer vs. Older
Re: Re: Longevity of newer vs. Older
Re: muscle cars handling
Re: 2 Grand Air Cleaner
ADMIN: Another Weather Outage

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:04:21 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Of Airbags and Crush Zones

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In a message dated 2/19/2004 4:19:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
geeting@woh.rr.com writes:
Personally, I would rather hit a pillow of air than the steering wheel or
windshield.
So would I. But I think the biggest lifesaver will be the side air bag 
curtains, considering the height difference when a passenger car gets broadsided by 
an SUV.

Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92 Eldo

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 06:09:29 -0800 (PST)
From: Matt Crumley <crumleym_50@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: muscle cars handling

List,
I've seen pictures of A-bodies in NASCAR back in the
day.  But from the factory 60's and 70's muscle cars
can not handle or brake like some of today's similarly
sized cars.  Also I don't consider the Camaro or Trans
Am a muscle car.  They are subframed pony cars. 
Lighter weight cars designed by GM to handle well. 
Just because it was built in the muscle car heyday
doesn't make it a muscle car.
A-bodies can be made to handle and brake very well
from the aftermarket.  The F41 package from GM is a
nice package but braking distance, slamom mph and g's
on a skid pad would be interesting to compare to
modern cars.  

Matt

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:12:42 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: RE: megasquirt?

Wouldn't help - the connectors stick out of the case ends by design.
Well, the 9-pin does. The 25-pin barely lets you get the end plate on. 
I think next time I'll just use the end-plate machining service that 
list members discovered. You can get them anodized and engraved.

krw
On Feb 18, 2004, at 8:49 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:17:53 -0500
> From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
> Subject: RE: megasquirt?
>
> You can buy hole punches for the 37 or 25 pin connectors. Not cheap but
> clean and available.
>
> - -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Kevin Wright
> Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2004 10:56 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: megasquirt?
>
>
> My first one took several evenings, but I was being *very* careful, and
> doing a very neat job. The second one took only a couple of evenings,
> but I still tried to keep it as neat as possible.
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/megasquirt.html
> (may not be up right now - I've deleted the site and am re-uploading it
> to clean it up a bit)
>
> krw
>
Kevin Wright                           krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX              
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/cars.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/71_cutlass.html

Whole bunches of cars - do you really want a list? :)

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 14:14:32 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: 63 Olds - Radiator Hose

> '61-'62 and '64 Olds fullsize 394s are listed as the same. Fusick made a
> mistake with their hose reproduction by matching it to the shorter 2 barrel
> hose. The only other hope is that hose was mixed into the Fusick batch by
> mistake and there are some longer ones sitting in the bin.

I've bought 394 4bbl upper hoses from Fusick on more than one ocaission and have never had a problem.

They're pretty easy to deal with.  Call 'em up and tell 'em it's too short.

Paul

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:20:59 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: krwright@sbcglobal.net

On Feb 18, 2004, at 8:49 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

>
> Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 23:05:39 -0500
> From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> Subject: krwright@sbcglobal.net
>
>> Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 20:28:40 -0500
>> From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
>> Subject: of 231 vs 3.8 vs 3800 interchageability
> <snip>
>> There is a crank sensor for the Olds V8- all the 1977 Toronados have 
>> crank
>> triggered ignition. I have such a system or two.
>> - ----------------------
>> Chris Witt
>
> Eh? Are there any pictures or details of this beastie in the wild?
> ===============
> I could prolly get some
> I think I know which trunk the stuff is in. Some might be in my garage 
> here.
> How about a 1977 CSM- should be cheap even on eBay.

Good idea.
I also found confirmation of it Googling around, but no pictures. Have 
to go hit the yardes.
If you run across it, shoot me a couple of pictures, but don't go 
digging just for that. If I find a '77 Toro in the Yarde, I bet I'll be 
able to recognize what I'm looking for. :)
>
> On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...
>
> Kevin Wright
> krwright@sbcglobal.net
> ================
> Now, lemme get this straight....
> Are you slow because you are on digest, or
> on digest because you are slow ???

Ummm. Yes? :P
>
> :-)
>
> - -----------------------
> Chris Witt, another "digester"
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:42:32 -0500
From: "Mike Stilwell" <Fleetsuper@msn.com>
Subject: 2 Grand Air Cleaner

Hi folks:

I've be super busy lately with regular life stuff and haven't had much time
to keep up with the list.  I trust all is well in Olds land.

I wanted to share with you an eBay auction I ran across while looking for
parts for my 442. I'm trying to finish up some work that I've put off for
awhile now. Hopefully I can get the interior work done before the spring
show season.

Now I thought Olds guys went nuts over certain parts, but check out this
auction for a rare (I assume by the price, can't ever be sure?) air cleaner
for a 65 Chevy. Might have to cut and paste the whole link to open it in
your browser.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43946&item=2458770580
&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT

I think paying nearly $2G's for an air cleaner is nuts.  And that's coming
from a guy that firmly believes in buying what you like for whatever you
want as long as it makes you happy.

Enjoy,
Mike Stilwell  OCA #13273
President - Capitol City Rockets
http://www.bigmikes442.com

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:17:35 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: SERIOUS vibration

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Not saying this is IT, but...check the bolts that hold the steering gearbox to
the frame.  I've shorn off one or two (out of three) without realizing it,
made
for some pretty good vibrations...

At 06:19 AM 02/19/2004 -0500, you wrote: 
>
> Sean, the brake system is totally new with less than 7000 miles on them. New
> calipers, new rotors, new pads, new hoses.... everything. And they don't
> pulsate at all when the brakes are applied.
>  
> Jon



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Not saying this is IT, but...check the bolts that hold the steering
gearbox to the frame.&nbsp; I've shorn off one or two (out of three)
without realizing it, made for some pretty good vibrations...<br>
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At 06:19 AM 02/19/2004 -0500, you wrote: <br>
<blockquote type=cite cite>Sean, the brake system is totally new with
less than 7000 miles on them. New calipers, new rotors, new pads, new
hoses.... everything. And they don't pulsate at all when the brakes are
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:58:45 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 2 Grand Air Cleaner

That is for a Z16. Only something like 105 of them were made.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
I thought Olds guys went nuts over certain parts, but check out this
auction for a rare (I assume by the price, can't ever be sure?) air cleaner
for a 65 Chevy. 

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:31:14 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: 2 Grand Air Cleaner

yeah that's nuts

At 09:42 AM 02/19/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi folks:
>
>I've be super busy lately with regular life stuff and haven't had much time
>to keep up with the list.  I trust all is well in Olds land.
>
>I wanted to share with you an eBay auction I ran across while looking for
>parts for my 442. I'm trying to finish up some work that I've put off for
>awhile now. Hopefully I can get the interior work done before the spring
>show season.
>
>Now I thought Olds guys went nuts over certain parts, but check out this
>auction for a rare (I assume by the price, can't ever be sure?) air cleaner
>for a 65 Chevy. Might have to cut and paste the whole link to open it in
>your browser.
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43946&item=2458770580
>&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT
>
>I think paying nearly $2G's for an air cleaner is nuts.  And that's coming
>from a guy that firmly believes in buying what you like for whatever you
>want as long as it makes you happy.
>
>Enjoy,
>Mike Stilwell  OCA #13273
>President - Capitol City Rockets
>http://www.bigmikes442.com
> 

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:19:05 -0600
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Subject: RE: Longevity of newer vs. Older

Quoted from the book of Milton:
>rival or greatly
>surpass the stopping power, handling ability, and safety of a 2005
vehicle.
>If the car's stopping and handling ability is of outstanding quality,
one
>can drive their way out of the majority of bad situations.
>By increasing the performance of the powertrain, then one has the best
of
>all worlds. The equivalent of a brand new car in one's older vehicle,
that
>will out perform anything currently made. Now that's where the
challenge is
>and the fun in our Oldsmobile pastime.

Absolutely right.
Ian

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:24:00 EST
From: Sm7442@aol.com
Subject: 69 camaro

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  sorry know this is not olds related but asking...   a friend of my wifes 
has a 69 z11 camaro conv orange and white 350 4 speed 34000 miles original she 
purchased out of college new whats it worth ??Been sitting under cover started 
once a year says heater not connected per was actually driven at indy per pace 
car that sound correct?Not really that knowlegeable with chev products.Tom 
Ohio thanks guys let me know if any you have info on z11 camaro conv 

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 09:41:13 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Of Airbags and Crush Zones

Paul Pate wrote:
> ... Why don't they use airbags in race cars?

Besides the excellent reasons Milton and Ron have already given ...

Front air bags are most useful in head on collisions.

Until NASCAR starts running 1/2 the field clockwise and 1/2 the field 
counterclockwise ... :)
- --

Cliff "Proud sponsor of the RollerCannonBall 500" Simpson & Kermit
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 10:19:59 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Re: Longevity of newer vs. Older

On Feb 18, 2004, at 7:03 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 12:49:36 -0800 (PST)
> From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Longevity of newer vs. Older
>
> - --- "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> in fact most abs cars take longer to stop.
>>
>> Er, longer than what? A car that's sliding? Are you
>> sure?
>>
> If standing on the brakes and skidding was the fastest
> way to stop, you'd see formula 1 drivers doing it all
> the time.  You actually stop faster with the wheels
> just short of lock up - kind of like ABS does for you.
>  The fact that you can still steer is an added bonus.

ABs tends to be conservative, though. A driver skilled at braking 
(which is, of course, not your average American driver) can usually 
beat the ABS. Hard to prove, though, since you can't get a car with and 
without ABS. Takes some work to disable.
>
> ABS-equipped cars should have an off switch, though,
> for deep snow and gravel roads.

It kind of sucks on slick wet roads, too. The ABS in my wife's Astro 
van is horrible in the wet.
>
> Andy, I think the dumbing down of America is kicking
> in.

And all these 'safety' items in the car aren't really helping. People 
don't learn to drive because they don't have to. The car handles the 
brakes for them, corrects oversteer for them, insulates them from 
everything outside...

>   People are using anecdotes and 'my
> brother-in-law's buddy and an accident where....' -
> This reminds me of my dear old dad telling me he would
> rather be thrown from the car in an accident and that
> heavy cards handle best because they 'hold the road'.

Well, back then, it was true, sort of. Think about the seat belts in 
the early cars, metal dashes with pointy bits all over, not-so-safe 
'safety glass'...
And, actually, the bigger cars do hold the road better (coefficient of 
friction is proportional to weight, isn't it?), at least until inertia 
takes over.
But that was then. Things have changed.

Kevin Wright                                krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                   http://www.wankel.net/~krwright

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 08:49:49 -0800
From: "John Holt sr" <johnlholtsr@hotmail.com>
Subject: Starter problems, 93 fwd Pontiac and 64 Olds Super 88.

<html><div style='background-color:'><P>Hello Olds List,I recently purchased a 64 Olds&nbsp;Super 88, did some searching on the web,&nbsp;and that's how I became&nbsp;aware of this list.&nbsp;I feel&nbsp;there are quite a few very knowledgable people here, Milton for one has helped me out previously, so If it's alright I would like to ask for help with a&nbsp;couple of starter related problems. I used to have my own mobile repair,&nbsp;and I still do all my own maintenance and&nbsp;try to help&nbsp;friends with their vehicles when asked, on occation.&nbsp;I still have my ASE cert for engines, but every now and then a problem arises that stumps me.&nbsp; I suppose I will find it eventually, but could use some help on these 2 problems. One is&nbsp;on my 64 Olds, but the other is on a fwd Pontiac Sunbird,&nbsp;they are having problems with&nbsp;the starter bendix sometimes not engaging, sometimes not retracting. On the 93 Sunbird, 2.2, automatic, the current starter/solenoid (location:backside of engine under intake, hidden very well) is new (autolite unit from pepboys). I&nbsp;installed it last saturday. Initially it&nbsp;wouldnt start at all, then after new unit installed,&nbsp;started great, I started it twice, gave her the keys and went home.&nbsp;The very next day she calls me back says her daughter is stranded, wont start. Found out&nbsp;the starter&nbsp;was smoking and she said 'making a funny noise'. I checked voltage at the starter and battery, both checked fine, 12.5 volts, when trying to start, there is only a .5 volt drop at the battery,&nbsp;hmmm, tried to jump it,&nbsp;no noise, nothing, then I rotated the serpentine belt ctr clkwise, heard big click, ahah, then it started. So the bendix was engaged with the flywheel right? but why?&nbsp;I asked if&nbsp;she&nbsp;could have left key in start position after engine&nbsp;was running, she said no.&nbsp;Next day,&nbsp;now it won't engage, and when you turn the key to start, nothing, same as before I installed new starter. So I am guessing the new starter is
 toast due to bendix staying engaged while driving..? What do you think could be causing this?&nbsp; I also have a different but similar problem with my 64 Olds, (394,auto)&nbsp;that starter sometimes just spins without engaging, sometimes up to 10 times before finally engaging, but it always disengages. I had taken the solenoid apart and sprayed some WD40 inside of the solenoid, as well as inside the starter since the car had sat for 20 years.&nbsp;&nbsp;So my question to the list, &nbsp;what&nbsp;could cause&nbsp;the bendix to&nbsp;stay engaged on the 93?&nbsp;and&nbsp;what would cause the starter to spin but not engage on the 64? Thanks in Advance. John L. Holt Sr.<BR><BR><BR></P><BR><BR><BR>
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 12:05:53 -0500
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Re: Longevity of newer vs. Older

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kevin Wright [mailto:krwright@sbcglobal.net]
> Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 11:20 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Re: Longevity of newer vs. Older
>
> On Feb 18, 2004, at 7:03 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:
> 
> ABs tends to be conservative, though. A driver skilled at braking 
> (which is, of course, not your average American driver) can usually 
> beat the ABS. Hard to prove, though, since you can't get a 
> car with and without ABS. Takes some work to disable.

Actually, ABS was an option on my 2002 AWD V6 Saturn VUE.  The dealer
would not retro the one on the lot that I wanted so I got mine sans
ABS.

If anyone out there (near Michigan) has an ABS equipped VUE, I'd
gladly help perform the testing and put this debate to bed.

OLDS CONTENT:  I actually used the cargo area of the VUE to transport
my '69 350 from my Cutlass to Smitty's (M&J Performance) shop for
cam installation and break in.  It performed like a champ and only
squatted a minimal amount.

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI
69 Cutlass Convertible [H/O Reproduction]
87 BMW 325e 5 speed [go to work beater]
02 Saturn VUE [Family - and engine - Hauler]

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 17:43:55 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Longevity of newer vs. Older

>>   People are using anecdotes and 'my
>>brother-in-law's buddy and an accident where....' -
>>This reminds me of my dear old dad telling me he would
>>rather be thrown from the car in an accident and that
>>heavy cards handle best because they 'hold the road'.
>
>Well, back then, it was true, sort of. Think about the seat
>belts in the early cars, metal dashes with pointy bits all
>over, not-so-safe 'safety glass'...
[...]
>But that was then. Things have changed.

Except for the things that _never_ change. For example, people were 
something like 200 times more likely to be injured when thrown out, and 
still are: every now and then I read about some nitwit getting ejected from 
his SUV and then squished by it, just like they got squished by their 
Packard or whatever in the old days. The point is that if you're flung out 
during an accident, it's most likely a rollover, you're going out a side 
window since you don't have a belt on, and the rolling vehicle is rolling in 
the same direction that you're thrown. Therefore you come out the window, 
then the car rolls over you.

Quoting Chuck Hurley of the National Safety Council in USA Today when 
speaking about common myths of auto safety:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/spotlight/2001-05-21-brolin-seat-belt.htm

>The only surviving member of a car crash who wasn't wearing a seatbelt
>is thrown clear of the wreckage. "Actually, that has some statistical
>value," says Hurley. "About one in 200 people wearing a seat belt would
>have survived if they were thrown free, which makes the odds 200-to-one."

Also, the Michigan State Police, who have no doubt cleaned up way more 
accidents than you'd like to think about, discuss this on their website at 
http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,1607,7-123-1593_3504_22774-13689--,00.html

>MYTH: I'd rather be thrown clear in a crash.
>
>FACT: Being thrown safely clear in a crash is almost impossible. When
>you're thrown, you may be thrown through the windshield, scraped along
>the pavement, or even crushed by your own vehicle or another one. The
>idea of being thrown from a car and gently landing in a grassy area
>beside the road is pure fantasy. Your best bet in a crash is to stay
>inside the vehicle, securely held by your safety belt.

Frankly there wasn't a whole lot wrong with the old seat belts except that 
people wouldn't wear them. Granted that lap-only belts are not as effective 
as 3-point belts with a shoulder harness, which in turn are not as effective 
as 5-point, etc., but even a lap belt is better than none at all, in the 
sense that it will hold you in place during a rollover and keep you from the 
windshield in a head-on.

I had personal experience with the fixed 3-point belts of my old '72 LeMans 
(i.e. snugged up manually, no inertia reels or window-shade retractors) in a 
nasty crash some years back, and the factory belts performed perfectly.

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:10:38 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: muscle cars handling

Matt,

> Also I don't consider the Camaro or Trans
> Am a muscle car.


I'm sorry, but anyone who lived in that time period will disagree. Big
engined Camaroes, Firebirds, MOPAR Darts and 'Cudas, Ford Mustang GT 350s
and 500s, and Mercury Cougars were very definitely muscle cars, in every
sense of the word!

Finally, don't let anyone who owned a Yenko L-88 427 Camaro or worked at
Yenko ever hear you say that. Very interesting and potentially unpleasant
things might happen.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:14:25 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 2 Grand Air Cleaner

Insane!

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Stilwell" <Fleetsuper@msn.com>
To: "Oldsmobile" <Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 7:42 AM
Subject: 2 Grand Air Cleaner


> Hi folks:
>
> I've be super busy lately with regular life stuff and haven't had much
time
> to keep up with the list.  I trust all is well in Olds land.
>
> I wanted to share with you an eBay auction I ran across while looking for
> parts for my 442. I'm trying to finish up some work that I've put off for
> awhile now. Hopefully I can get the interior work done before the spring
> show season.
>
> Now I thought Olds guys went nuts over certain parts, but check out this
> auction for a rare (I assume by the price, can't ever be sure?) air
cleaner
> for a 65 Chevy. Might have to cut and paste the whole link to open it in
> your browser.
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=43946&item=2458770580
> &ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT
>
> I think paying nearly $2G's for an air cleaner is nuts.  And that's coming
> from a guy that firmly believes in buying what you like for whatever you
> want as long as it makes you happy.
>
> Enjoy,
> Mike Stilwell  OCA #13273
> President - Capitol City Rockets
> http://www.bigmikes442.com

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Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 12:24:56 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: ADMIN: Another Weather Outage

After surviving Hurricane Juan at the end of September, Halifax was hit
with another major storm yesterday. What is being described as a winter
hurricane dumped 3 feet of snow on the province and was accompanied by
strong winds for the entire day. The news is saying it is the worst
blizzard in local history. As a result, Chebucto's power was lost and the
system was down yesterday evening and overnight. Some other services
remain down today. Please be patient. 

As for me, I've been able to clear out my back door and driveway, although
there isn't much place to go. My front door is buried under a snowdrift
and I can't open it or even get to it from outside. Once the snowplows
start making their way around I'll be digging my driveway out again, and
the weather is calling for another storm on Sunday. Lucky us. ;-)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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