
oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, February 15 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4777



Re: 330 problem
Re: Update for stuck 455 valve
Is my transmission fried??
QuickSilver shifter install
Re: Is my transmission fried??
The New GTO
The New SSR
Re: Front end component colors
RE 330 problems
Re: Oldsmohut redux
1/18 Models - Hwy 61 vs Lane
Re: Oldsmohut redux
Re: The New SSR
Re: The New SSR
Re: 455 Stuck Valve Update
Olds on TV
Re: of 231 vs 3.8 vs 3800 interchageability
Re: The New SSR
Re: The New SSR
Re: The New GTO, SSR, V CTS
[Fwd: 68/choke linkage]
[Fwd: 68/choke linkage]
[Fwd: 68/choke linkage]
[Fwd: [Fwd: 68/choke linkage]]
[Fwd: [Fwd: 68/choke linkage]] Appology
68/choke linkage
Custom interior questions

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:04:07 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 330 problem

Yeah, a '65 A-body has a non-vented cap. The gas tank has it's own vent up
front. I'm still forgetting everything.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Gatti" <64f-85@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: 330 problem


> Probably the most basic and most overlooked problem you may have is a
> non-vented gas cap on the tank on the Cutlass. It will
>
> Hi Joe,
>     But shouldn't the gas cap on a '65 Cutlass be the non-vented type?
> If you used a vented cap on this car wouldn't gas slosh out and clean
> the backside of your license plate :-)
> Gene
>

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Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:13:13 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Update for stuck 455 valve

Steve H.,

To be honest, in a good engine, I don't ever recollect having any engine pop
back through the carb, including our all out race engines. I've heard others
do it on occasion, but we didn't want it to happen. When it does, the engine
isn't producing uniform smooth power throughout the RPM range. It can't.

The only real exception would be an AA/gasser on alcohol or an AA/fueler on
nitromethane.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver,com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2004 1:49 PM
Subject: Re: Update for stuck 455 valve


> At 10:18 PM 2/13/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >> So, what causes backfires when the throttle is sometimes snapped open?
> >
> >
> >There shouldn't be any, ever, if the engine is sound and the timing
> >correct and the carb isn't dribbling gas. However, if you're referring
> >to all-out race engines,
>
> AKA big cams.
>
> >it's way too rich at low engine speed in order to be at stociometric
> >(SP) at WOT from mid-range to shift point. Snapping open the throttle
> >from idle under no load can flood the race engine. Raw gas can ignite
> >and kick back.
>
> That helps explain it sometimes. Timing seems to have a lot to do with it,
> too; too far advanced starts getting things a bit skitterish  =======8-O
> Most often though, we seemed to get backfires through the carb when things
> were too LEAN, not rich.
>
> What was really hairy was when we'd just installed a crossram on our '64
> Goat's 389 with a pair of 600 Hooleys; the engine already had a Sig Erson
> Hi-R-H2 that made it sound like 8 individual cylinders firing totally at
> random  :o) The distributor's vacuum advance canister wouldn't clear the
> manifold so we swapped in an all-mechanical dual-point distributor I'd
just
> set up on a distributor machine at school. Got it started, barely idling
at
> 1500 rpm, snapped the throttle and both carbs spit flames 3 feet high
> ============8-O  Played with the timing a bit more till it quit spitting
> then rolled the throttle open further, and the carbs began spitting one
> after the other, flames alternately shooting outta both, just like a
> dragster  :o)))))))
>
> Scared the living heck outta my buddy's mom who was watering the front
lawn
> and watching us with various horrendous expressions  :o))))  Eventually, I
> sorta noticed that when we were playing with intakes and/or carbs, she'd
> seem to either drop whatever plant-tendering she was doing, or would come
> outta the house, then pick up the hose and start watering the yard. I'm
> sure she thought she'd eventually get to play junior fireman sooner or
> later  :o))))))))))
>
> AHHhhh, them was the days  ;o)  Try that in most nayborehoods today and
the
> yuppie SUV/minivan-driving naybores will call the cops on ye fer
disturbing
> the peace  ;o\
>
> There was a guy down the street from my buddy who had the shell of one the
> original all-aluminum '63 403 drag Impalas. He had a ski boat with a blown
> 426 hemi running on alky. Everytime he fired it up before going to Lake
> Havasu, the nayborehood would resonate and shake and shimmy and all the
> kids for blocks around would come running to watch and listen to the
> monster. I rember one afternoon, my buddy and I were playing with the
Goats
> and the guy fired up; we couldn't hear any longer so we hadda stop and go
> watch. We were walking up the sidewalk when the guy snapped the throttle
> and there was this muffled POOOOFF!! and something went shooting into the
> sky above the boat, then dead silence. When we got up there, the guy was
> staring at the cracked 6-71 that had a hole in the side. Nobody ever did
> find that piece that shot out  ;o(  Apparently, something got sucked into
> the Hilborns and jammed between one the rotors and the blower case,
> stopping the blower dead and punching out the side.
>
> SteveH
>
>

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:37:02 -0500
From: AnTiCr0mBi@aol.com
Subject: Is my transmission fried??

Been having a bit of trouble with it lately. TH400 behind a pretty mild 350. It shifts A-ok without any problems. But right when I start it (in neutral), it whines severely for a few seconds (usually when it's cold, not incredibly worrying). It also whines upwards of 2200 RPM. Warm or cold, the more gas I give it, the louder it gets. My thoughts are tourqe converter. Confirm or deney? I dunno how much longer it's gonna last!

- -Eric Anderson
1964 Cutlass
http://www.angelfire.com/retro/ericskars

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:45:46 -0500
From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
Subject: QuickSilver shifter install

Well, after a lot of help from Ryan Michelotti and his website my brother is
now a little closer to having a ratchet shifter in his '81:

http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/quicksilver.jpg

http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/quicksilver2.jpg

Whats great about this shifter is that the chrome top plate fits perfectly
where the old stock woodgrain piece used to be. Its the exact same size
(maybe slightly larger) and seems as though they had this console in mind
when designing it.
We still have to hook the cable up to the transmission, modify a few more
things but it should be close to being done. No more missed shifts for him.
:)
For better idea of how this all goes together I'd highly recommend visiting
Ryan's website: http://spdrcer34.20megsfree.com/

Andrew Geeting
geeting@woh.rr.com
'87 Cutlass Supreme 461
'98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 00:59:12 -0500
From: "Peter Berusch" <Berusch@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Is my transmission fried??

  How's about a clogged filter  screen ?

Peter



> Been having a bit of trouble with it lately. TH400 behind a pretty mild
350. It shifts A-ok without any problems. But right when I start it (in
neutral), it whines severely for a few seconds (usually when it's cold, not
incredibly worrying). It also whines upwards of 2200 RPM. Warm or cold, the
more gas I give it, the louder it gets. My thoughts are tourqe converter.
Confirm or deney? I dunno how much longer it's gonna last!
>
> -Eric Anderson
> 1964 Cutlass
> http://www.angelfire.com/retro/ericskars

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 08:23:17 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: The New GTO

I stopped by a local Pontiac dealer last Friday evening and checked out a 
new GTO.  As much as I like the idea of Pontiac resurecting the name in a 
high performance V8, rear wheel drive, two door, with an available manual 
transmission, I was not overly thrilled by the final product.  Oh yes, it is 
a worthy effort to re-use the name, unlike the Quad 4-4-2 fiasco, but the 
car is a little too upscale for my taste when it comes to a muscle car.  A 
basic model without leather seats and some of the electronic do-dads with a 
lower sticker price would be nice.  Ford used to offer a 5.0 LX mustang as a 
cheaper alternative to the dressed up GT, which is a good way to sell more 
cars.  Of course I don't think GM was after the muscle car image, but one of 
a touring coupe that would do many things well and they may have hit their 
mark.  It is far closer to the European GT cars than American muscle.

I did not leave the lot with dreams of buying one, but rather thinking I 
could buy a pretty nice 65 and 67 GTO for the same money and be a lot 
happier, if I were in the market for a GTO or two.  Looks like the only GM 
products in my driveway will still be from Lansing.


Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:53:15 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: The New SSR

Further to Dave's post about the GTO, yesterday I was having my Intrigue
serviced at the dealer and wandered into the showroom where they had a
Ch*vy SSR on display. It certainly is an eye-catcher. The one they had was
red and my first reaction was that I loved it. But then I looked at the
price. The sales guy told me he could sell me a new Corvette for the same
money. To me there would be no contest - I'd want the Vette if I was in
that price range. But I suppose if I won the lottery a SSR would be a nice
frivolity. Too bad it's so pricey. There must be a market for them though.
The salesman said this was the second one they had, the first one (in
yellow) already having sold.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:36:58 -0500
From: james.zito@ps.ge.com
Subject: Re: Front end component colors

from Ron:


while youre tearing it down could you take pics  and e mail them to me i
have a 72 convertable  and it adds a new meaning to fixer upper.
also any tips on removeing the body off frame since this is my first
convertable project.
- -------------------------
Goto :
http://mrwhipple1.tripod.com/mrwhipples442andhashhouseharrierspage/id6.html

One change I will make on my next one is to use 10' built up 2x4 beams and
replace the concrete block with lengths of 6x6 or 8x8.

Jim
69 442 still in pieces......

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 09:36:46 -0500
From: james.zito@ps.ge.com
Subject: RE 330 problems

>From Jeff:
 I am in the USAF and got orders to Okinawa, and am authorized to ship my
Cutlass!  Here is were my headache starts, this Summer I drove it about
20-30 minutes in the 90+ degree weather and it would drive like a champ for
those 20-30 min then it would shake, sputter and die like the timing was
off, occasionally it would back fire, there was nothing I could do to get it
to run right so I just parked it, 
<snip> and now I am back and the weather is mild 70s.  I drove it today for
about 45 min then it happened all over again!  Then water temp never got
over 190 so I don't think its vapor lock?  Any help, this is so frustrating.

- --------------------------

Jeff the Cutlass is telling you I don't want to goto the Far East!!!
I am former Navy myself and have served in both the ROK and Japan.  I did
have my old truck in Korea and it suffered terribly while there.  Damaged by
many local people hitting it while parked vandalized by folks stealing
contents from the cab etc.  
Additionally the streets are much narrower and more crowded over there.  
If I were you I'd park it somewhere safe in the good Old USofA and wait till
I got home to drive it again.

Jim
69 442 conv
in the middle of a frame off...

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:31:35 -0500
From: "Kurt Heinrich" <old442@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmohut redux

I second Jacks comment.  The huts can't carry the load.  A friend had an old
F*** in one laset year and the snow load from a 6-8" snow bent the roof
supports and it came down on the cars roof.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Kopf" <jkopf@optonline.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:35 PM
Subject: RE: Oldsmohut redux


> The hut costs about $150 if you can find one. I doubt it would support a
> wood roof very well. Sounds like you should just use 2X's and build a
shed.
> It would also last longer as you said you already have a foundation.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of John Nasta
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:51 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Oldsmohut redux
>
>
> I know I asked this already, and I probably deleted some responses without
> realizing it. If anybody did answer this, please forward your response to
me
> privately.
>
> Anybody know who is selling the Oldsmohut these days? I bought my last one
> from Costco, but they don't seem to carry them any more.
>
> I'm thinking about buying the thing just for the frame, and attaching
T-111
> to it with U-bolts so it's not so crappy looking and can have a door that
> can be locked. Methinks I need to put up a storage building fast.
>
> Thanks,
> John Nasta
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:23:21 -0500
From: "Kurt Heinrich" <old442@adelphia.net>
Subject: 1/18 Models - Hwy 61 vs Lane

I recently picked up two 1/18 models recently. I've seen some comments about
the Lane, but none about the Highway 61.

# 1 Highway 61 '67 442.  Typiclly sell for $40-$50, got mine for $18.  A
much better model than the $20 dollar Ertls.
  http://www.ffertl3.com/index.cfm
HITS:
Good body details.
Radio antenna retracts.
Vent windows move.
Door sill plates with Fisher logo.
Doors are hinged in the correct place.
There are door latches and strikers.
Good details on door panels and dash.
Fuzzy carpet.
Console and glove compartment open.
Shifter (auto) moves.
Seat backs tilt forward and seats move on tracks.
Visors tilt.
Lamps in sail panels.
Working steering.
Working diff - rotating rear wheels turns the driveshaft.
Hood hinges look somewhat corect and utilize real springs.
Has battery and plug wires.
Trunk has splatter paint and trunk mat.
Good decals throughout.
Decent display stand/cover.
Wheels while being just OK, actually have valve stems.
MISSES:
Cheesy rearview mirror.
No jack in trunk.
Engine bay while painted is missing a lot of detail.
Winshield molding and drip rails are part of the body casting and painted
poorly. The rear window DOES have a seperate piece of molding that looks
good.
Bumpers while OK, don't have a quite real look.
Exhaust tips are poor.

#2 Lane Exact Detail '71 442 W-30. www.exactdetail.com
HITS:
Very good body detail, although it looks like the wheel wells are a little
too square in shape.
Excellent decals throughout.  Many are legible with magnification.
All stainless trim pieces are seperate pieces that look good.
Bumpers look fantastic.
Interior detail is excellent.
Cloth seatbelts and shoulder harness on the roof.
Door panels are excellent.
The rear seat ashtrays are metalized inserts, not just painted to look like
chrome.
Has a dome light.
Sport steering wheel spokes are actually metal.
Rearview mirror looks correct.
Engine bay is very well done.
Has battery and plug wires.
Radiator hoses are rubber.
Rubber hoses are plumbed to the engine for the heater.
Washer fluid resevoir is plumbed to the wiper motor.
Engine color looks very good and the intake is aluminum color.
Aircleaner is very good.  Snorkle is open, has heat riser from manifold and
plumbed sensor on snorkle.
RAC vent pipes connected correctly.
OAI lid is great. Vacuum motor in irridited gold color with vacuum line and
even OLDSMOBILE is spelled out with the correct style of raised letters.
There is a metal fuel line and a return line plumbed from the fuel tank to
the fuel pump.
There are metal brake lines from the master cylinder to a distribution block
and them to the brakes with ruber lines at the end.
Metal shift linkage on the side of the tranny.
Undercarriage components have a little finer detail than most.
Has a W-27 diff cover.
MISSES:
Stripe placement above wheel wells if off.
Sport mirrors are for a '70 not '71.
Positive battery cable is not routed over the fenderwell, but rather over
the intake manifold.
Hood does not have opening on the bottom to mate to the OAI aircleaner.
There is an insert that makes the trunk.  It is not wide enough and is black
(no spatter paint).
There is a jack, but it is located in the area that is normally open, not
under the spare.
Doors are hinged wrong and open incorrectly.  The front edge goes out beyond
the fender, not behind it.

Kurt Heinrich
'71 442
'95 Aurora
old442@adelphia.net

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:28:59 -0500
From: "Kurt Heinrich" <old442@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmohut redux

I second Jacks comment.  The huts can't carry the load.  A friend had an old
F*** in one laset year and the snow load from a 6-8" snow bent the roof
supports and it came down on the cars roof.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Kopf" <jkopf@optonline.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 9:35 PM
Subject: RE: Oldsmohut redux


> The hut costs about $150 if you can find one. I doubt it would support a
> wood roof very well. Sounds like you should just use 2X's and build a
shed.
> It would also last longer as you said you already have a foundation.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of John Nasta
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 12:51 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Oldsmohut redux
>
>
> I know I asked this already, and I probably deleted some responses without
> realizing it. If anybody did answer this, please forward your response to
me
> privately.
>
> Anybody know who is selling the Oldsmohut these days? I bought my last one
> from Costco, but they don't seem to carry them any more.
>
> I'm thinking about buying the thing just for the frame, and attaching
T-111
> to it with U-bolts so it's not so crappy looking and can have a door that
> can be locked. Methinks I need to put up a storage building fast.
>
> Thanks,
> John Nasta
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 08:37:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Hutchison <rkt88403@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The New SSR

 Since the SSR is built here in Lansing at Plant 2 and
I work at Plant 1,I see a lot of them everyday while
at work.
 My opinion? Glad you asked. From a distance they look
good,but up close they are too tall and larger than
you might expect. Just a BIG toy. They are based on
the Trailblazer chassis and just as heavy.  5000 lbs.!
That's what my full size truck weighs! See them on the
street here also. I'm looking forward to getting
beside one at a light,just so I can spank it with my
Delta. 
 Got a short ride in a CTS-V at work last week,and
take it from me this is the real deal. Vette
motor,6spd trans,four door sedan. This critter is
awesome. $52k sticker US,but if I had the money.....

- --- Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca> wrote:
> Further to Dave's post about the GTO, yesterday I
> was having my Intrigue
> serviced at the dealer and wandered into the
> showroom where they had a
> Ch*vy SSR on display. It certainly is an
> eye-catcher. The one they had was
> red and my first reaction was that I loved it. But
> then I looked at the
> price. The sales guy told me he could sell me a new
> Corvette for the same
> money. To me there would be no contest - I'd want
 


=====
Bill Hutchison,Lansing,MI.
95 GMC Sierra 1500,95 Prowler 27N travel trailer
81 W-88 Cpe 403/TH350/8.5-3.23 LS
My Olds Club http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/olds889877to85

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 11:59:00 -0500
From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: The New SSR

Personally, I think GM really dropped the ball with this SSR. For the price,
you could either have a Vette or a really, really nice truck.

The SSR is trying to be a sports car and a truck at the same time. The
problem is that it doesn't do either well. Since it weighs in close 5000lbs
the thing is still dog slow. As for the truck portion, there's not much bed
there to haul a whole lot with. And on top of all that it has HUGE wheels
and tires that will cost an absolute fortune to replace.

I think GM could have done a lot better if the SSR was priced more
reasonably. Something around $25-30K. At the $46-$53K price I think of a
dozen vehicles I would much rather own.

And on top of all that, its one of the UGLIEST designs I've seen. :(

Now a Cadiallac CTS-V on the other hand...................that would be a
sweet ride!

Andrew Geeting
geeting@woh.rr.com
'87 Cutlass Supreme 461
'98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf


> Further to Dave's post about the GTO, yesterday I was having my Intrigue
> serviced at the dealer and wandered into the showroom where they had a
> Ch*vy SSR on display. It certainly is an eye-catcher. The one they had was
> red and my first reaction was that I loved it. But then I looked at the
> price. The sales guy told me he could sell me a new Corvette for the same
> money. To me there would be no contest - I'd want the Vette if I was in
> that price range. But I suppose if I won the lottery a SSR would be a nice
> frivolity. Too bad it's so pricey. There must be a market for them though.
> The salesman said this was the second one they had, the first one (in
> yellow) already having sold.
>
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>           Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com
>
>

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 13:59:29 -0600
From: "Tom Jones" <tom.bearsfan@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: 455 Stuck Valve Update

The other three piostons all show signs of ignition....they have a slight
carmel color. There was also no indication of contact on any of those valves
and all three compression tested to 170 psi.  The pistons have about a 1/2"
of flat then recess about 0.25" so they are not flat tops. The no. 2 piston
hit in the flat 1/2" portion just near where the recess starts.   Based on
the valves which all show signs of firing.  I really think what happened is
the valve got stuck after the engine had been running.  I am wondering what
would be the evidence of water in the cylinder if only just a little?  Is it
possible the specks I am seeing are from anti-freeze?  That would also help
clean it wouldn't it?  Also whould water on the valve cause it to stick?  I
have to say the builder has been very co-operative about fixing the problem
and offered to come down and pull the head himself.....however I decided to
do it just to get it done quicker.  He is really more interested in the
cause at this point and has said every time we talk he will do whatever it
takes to make this motor right for me including a complete re-build.  I am
obviously diss-appointed with the results so far but before I hang him I
would like to see the final outcome.  I will keep you posted.

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 17:09:31 -0500
From: "Eric J McTague" <oldsluvr@comcast.net>
Subject: Olds on TV

For those that enjoy this kind of trivia ...

A gold 68 Delta 4 door crashed and burned after a brief chase in the last 5
minutes of a Kojak episode named "Nursemaid".

:(

Damn shame they couldn't have used something inferior like a Chittyrolet
Impala.

lol

PS - This was on the Hallmark channel - they show quite a few older shows on
their usual Sun afternoon - early eve time slot.

Eric

OCA # 032852 - TC # 836 - ROA # 9801
84 Cutlass - 72 Toro
92 LSC - 97 Town Car
00 Solara

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:01:24 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: of 231 vs 3.8 vs 3800 interchageability

At 11:22 PM 02/13/2004 -0500, Chris wrote:
>I believe one of the few differences between the FWD and RWD 3.8 (NOT 3800)
>was that the FWD had the Chevy 2.8 boltpattern. I know that they used FWD
>LeSabre 3.8 heads on the Trans Am Turbo(89 I think?) so I would venture a
>guess that the intake is also the same. Maybe even everything will bolt up,
>just disable the distributor and bolt on the DIS parts?

Actually, now that you mention this . . I realize that a problem with
directly putting the FWD intake on a RWD is tha the water outlet will be
close to the firewall rather than close to the radiator......

Out of curiosity, would the Turbo V6 intake be suitable for non-turbo use?
I'm not sure if the intake manifold's got significantly larger runners or
not, and if it'd cause any problems with fuel-flow on a lower-revving,
naturally-aspirated setup.


	- Joe "But of course it begs the question, why bother?" Vahabzadeh

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:05:14 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: The New SSR

I think I recall reading, quite a number of years ago (late 80s, early 90s,
I can't remember), that car manufactuers were starting to display a
tendency to sell pricier cars, more upscale.

The logic behind it, as bizarre as it seems, is that it appears that market
conditions will allow the car-makers to make more profits overall from
selling fewer high-priced vehicles, than by selling volumes of
moderately-priced vehicles.

Don't know whether that's true or not, but the SUV craze seems, at least
partially, to have borne this out.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:14:00 -0500
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: The New SSR

My hubby and I were talking the other day on how it would be so nice for the
car companies to build a nice "muscle" car that the average "joe/jane" could
afford.

Tami

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 16:05:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Thomas Veselenak <tpvesele@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: The New GTO, SSR, V CTS

Living here in Detroit, I've seen many of the new
models coming out from the Big 3 before they are in
the showrooms.  For the most part I'm impressed with
the offering.

The new GTO, essentialy an Australian Holden Monaro,
is a decent car although the looks are pretty plain
jane.  You really have to give one a second look to
distinguish it from a Grand Am or Grand Prix.  The
interior is very nice on this car although it is quite
European which might turn away many traditional GM'rs.
 I forsee nice rebates on these cars since every
Pontiac dealer I pass has a few sitting out front.

I've driven an SSR and am not impressed with this
vehicle at all.  I think its a great design but
between the price, lack of power, and over all fit and
finish, it is not an attractive choice in my opinion. 
It is extremely heavy and handles like....well....a
5000 lb truck.  It is way overpriced and will most
likely have rebates by mid-summer.

The V CTS Cadillac is a nice agressive design. 
Initially, I was not a fan of the CTS styling, but I
must say, the V is pretty cool.  The race version
being campaigned in SCCA (I think its SCCA, but I
might be wrong) is really cool looking.  The recent
Car and Driver was fairly kind to it when comparing it
to the BMW M5 and M3.  Overall they liked it except it
had oil over-heating problems and massive wheel hop. 
These types of problems are in-excusable in today's
car market especially for a one costing $50,000.  I
think that once they work the kinks out, however, this
car is going to do well might help Cadillac overall in
resale value.


Tom 
Detroit, MI
'69 442
'70 Corvette

- --- Dave Wyatt <wyattolds@hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I stopped by a local Pontiac dealer last Friday
> evening and checked out a 
> new GTO.  As much as I like the idea of Pontiac
> resurecting the name in a 
> high performance V8, rear wheel drive, two door,
> with an available manual 
> transmission, I was not overly thrilled by the final
> product.  Oh yes, it is 
> a worthy effort to re-use the name, unlike the Quad
> 4-4-2 fiasco, but the 
> car is a little too upscale for my taste when it
> comes to a muscle car.  A 
> basic model without leather seats and some of the
> electronic do-dads with a 
> lower sticker price would be nice.  Ford used to
> offer a 5.0 LX mustang as a 
> cheaper alternative to the dressed up GT, which is a
> good way to sell more 
> cars.  Of course I don't think GM was after the
> muscle car image, but one of 
> a touring coupe that would do many things well and
> they may have hit their 
> mark.  It is far closer to the European GT cars than
> American muscle.
> 
> I did not leave the lot with dreams of buying one,
> but rather thinking I 
> could buy a pretty nice 65 and 67 GTO for the same
> money and be a lot 
> happier, if I were in the market for a GTO or two. 
> Looks like the only GM 
> products in my driveway will still be from Lansing.
> 
> 
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2
> 67 Vista Cruiser
> 
>
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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:48:26 -0500
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@adelphia.net>
Subject: [Fwd: 68/choke linkage]

- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	68/choke linkage
Date: 	Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:00:52 -0500
From: 	Glenn Connors <gpc442@adelphia.net>
To: 	Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>



    I have a '68 Quadrajet part # 7028251 and the part that I think you 
are referring to is called the vacuum break lever which has a part # on 
it which is 36135.  For a test of my understanding this vacuum break 
lever is connected to the divorce choke rod on the rear of this lever 
and is part of the vacuum break assy. which also consists of the bracket 
that retains the vacuum break diaphragm that controls the actuating rod 
up to the carburetor.
Hope this helps.

Glenn Connors    
'69  4-4-2
'99  Aurora


>  Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:30:10 -0500 From: "The General"
>  <patton442@verizon.net> Subject: of 68/69 choke linkage ........

>  Hey List,

>  I need the number stamped on the choke linkage for a 68 and a 69 Qjet
>  . I know that they are a bit different. I need the number stamped on
>  the arm on the side of the carb that the stove rod attaches to
>  ............. or a good discription of which is which ............

>  Tanks, The General

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:48:02 -0500
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@adelphia.net>
Subject: [Fwd: 68/choke linkage]

- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	68/choke linkage
Date: 	Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:00:52 -0500
From: 	Glenn Connors <gpc442@adelphia.net>
To: 	Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>



    I have a '68 Quadrajet part # 7028251 and the part that I think you 
are referring to is called the vacuum break lever which has a part # on 
it which is 36135.  For a test of my understanding this vacuum break 
lever is connected to the divorce choke rod on the rear of this lever 
and is part of the vacuum break assy. which also consists of the bracket 
that retains the vacuum break diaphragm that controls the actuating rod 
up to the carburetor.
Hope this helps.

Glenn Connors    
'69  4-4-2
'99  Aurora


>  Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:30:10 -0500 From: "The General"
>  <patton442@verizon.net> Subject: of 68/69 choke linkage ........

>  Hey List,

>  I need the number stamped on the choke linkage for a 68 and a 69 Qjet
>  . I know that they are a bit different. I need the number stamped on
>  the arm on the side of the carb that the stove rod attaches to
>  ............. or a good discription of which is which ............

>  Tanks, The General

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:47:46 -0500
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@adelphia.net>
Subject: [Fwd: 68/choke linkage]

- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	68/choke linkage
Date: 	Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:00:52 -0500
From: 	Glenn Connors <gpc442@adelphia.net>
To: 	Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>



    I have a '68 Quadrajet part # 7028251 and the part that I think you 
are referring to is called the vacuum break lever which has a part # on 
it which is 36135.  For a test of my understanding this vacuum break 
lever is connected to the divorce choke rod on the rear of this lever 
and is part of the vacuum break assy. which also consists of the bracket 
that retains the vacuum break diaphragm that controls the actuating rod 
up to the carburetor.
Hope this helps.

Glenn Connors    
'69  4-4-2
'99  Aurora


>  Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:30:10 -0500 From: "The General"
>  <patton442@verizon.net> Subject: of 68/69 choke linkage ........

>  Hey List,

>  I need the number stamped on the choke linkage for a 68 and a 69 Qjet
>  . I know that they are a bit different. I need the number stamped on
>  the arm on the side of the carb that the stove rod attaches to
>  ............. or a good discription of which is which ............

>  Tanks, The General

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:28:10 -0500
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@adelphia.net>
Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: 68/choke linkage]]

- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[Fwd: 68/choke linkage]
Date: 	Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:48:26 -0500
From: 	Glenn Connors <gpc442@adelphia.net>
To: 	Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>



- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	68/choke linkage
Date: 	Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:00:52 -0500
From: 	Glenn Connors <gpc442@adelphia.net>
To: 	Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>



   I have a '68 Quadrajet part # 7028251 and the part that I think you 
are referring to is called the vacuum break lever which has a part # on 
it which is 36135.  For a test of my understanding this vacuum break 
lever is connected to the divorce choke rod on the rear of this lever 
and is part of the vacuum break assy. which also consists of the bracket 
that retains the vacuum break diaphragm that controls the actuating rod 
up to the carburetor.
Hope this helps.

Glenn Connors    
'69  4-4-2
'99  Aurora


>  Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:30:10 -0500 From: "The General"
>  <patton442@verizon.net> Subject: of 68/69 choke linkage ........

>  Hey List,

>  I need the number stamped on the choke linkage for a 68 and a 69 Qjet
>  . I know that they are a bit different. I need the number stamped on
>  the arm on the side of the carb that the stove rod attaches to
>  ............. or a good discription of which is which ............

>  Tanks, The General

------------------------------

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 21:36:07 -0500
From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@adelphia.net>
Subject: [Fwd: [Fwd: 68/choke linkage]] Appology

    I had been sending HTML instead of 'plain text' and messed up 
sending repeat posts.  Won't happen again.....sorry.

 Glenn Connors
"69  4-4-2
'99  Aurora

- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[Fwd: 68/choke linkage]
Date: 	Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:48:26 -0500
From: 	Glenn Connors <gpc442@adelphia.net>
Reply-To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
To: 	Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>



- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	68/choke linkage
Date: 	Sun, 15 Feb 2004 12:00:52 -0500
From: 	Glenn Connors <gpc442@adelphia.net>
To: 	Olds List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>



   I have a '68 Quadrajet part # 7028251 and the part that I think you 
are referring to is called the vacuum break lever which has a part # on 
it which is 36135.  For a test of my understanding this vacuum break 
lever is connected to the divorce choke rod on the rear of this lever 
and is part of the vacuum break assy. which also consists of the bracket 
that retains the vacuum break diaphragm that controls the actuating rod 
up to the carburetor.
Hope this helps.

Glenn Connors    
'69  4-4-2
'99  Aurora


>  Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 06:30:10 -0500 From: "The General"
>  <patton442@verizon.net> Subject: of 68/69 choke linkage ........

>  Hey List,

>  I need the number stamped on the choke linkage for a 68 and a 69 Qjet
>  . I know that they are a bit different. I need the number stamped on
>  the arm on the side of the carb that the stove rod attaches to
>  ............. or a good discription of which is which ............

>  Tanks, The General

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:03:15 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: 68/choke linkage

Hey Glenn and list ...........

        Thats the stuff I am talking about ....
36135 ????  I have not seen this part number.
Does anyone else have this or no what I am
reffering to ?????
Would you happen to have access to a digicam ??

The General       patton442@verizon.net

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Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:30:07 -0500
From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
Subject: Custom interior questions

I'm in the beginning stages of finishing off the interior of my trunk. I
have designed a sub speaker box that takes up the entire "shelf" just under
the rear speakers along with side panels that hide the spare tire and the
drivers side inner 1/4 panel along with hiding both inner wheel wells.

What I would also like to make along with all of this is a board that can be
covered in the same color carpet as the trunk and then snapped into place on
the underside of the trunk lid.

Anybody know what type of wood board interior shops use when they make
custom door panels? I figure something like that would work decent. Any
ideas on how to conceal the fasters? Should I use two boards that are glued
together with a small space between them that will allow the fasteners to be
installed but not be visible from the finished side?

Also, is it possible to find carpeting that matches the interior carpeting
but can be used to cover speaker boxes and such? If not I'll probably just
do everything in black.
Thanks for the help!

Andrew Geeting
geeting@woh.rr.com
'87 Cutlass Supreme 461
'98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf

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