
oldsmobile-digest     Thursday, January 22 2004     Volume 01 : Number 4750



Re: 3.1, 3.4, 3.8 intake leaks
KA water pump pulley wanted
Comp Cams Rocker Kit Pushrods
Oldsnuts nominate best/ worst buys
Re: 69 Cutlass restoration progress
RE: Olds 425 Crank in an Olds 455 motor
RE: 69 Cutlass restoration progress
Re: Comp Cams Rocker Kit Pushrods
Re: Limitations of Caddy/Olds EFI system   was - Re: 455 Fuel Injection?
Re: 69 Cutlass restoration progress
Re: Seville Intake
RE: 455 crate motor - F/S - 800 bucks
Olds in winder was [Re: 455 crate motor - F/S] 
UNBOUNCE: Cutlass Cowltag
UNBOUNCE: Frame Question & '68 Cutlass Parts
Re: 69 Cutlass restoration progress
Re: formorly/ Seville Intake
my 69 olds (fwd)
Fw: [Oldsmobile Cutlass Owners Club] KA Water pump pulley
Re: formorly/ Seville Intake
Re: Fw: [Oldsmobile Cutlass Owners Club] KA Water pump pulley
Re: formorly/ Seville Intake
question on newer Olds...
Re: question on newer Olds...
Re: formorly/ Seville Intake
Re: formorly/ Seville Intake
Re: Limitations of Caddy/Olds EFI system   was - Re: 455 Fuel Injection?
Re: '72 98 Comfortron
good experience buying from RS
Re: question on newer Olds...
RE: Oldsnuts nominate best/ worst buys
Re: Oldsnuts nominate best/ worst buys

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:04:03 -0500
From: robert.demuth@prudential.com
Subject: Re: 3.1, 3.4, 3.8 intake leaks

Paul wrote:
>>>
List members residing in the Northeast with one of these motors may want to
keep an eye on their intakes/gaskets.  This recent extended cold spell has
really brought out the failures.  Some gaskets have gone on backorder
status, while others are getting to be in short supply.  We've been doing 4
to 5 intake repairs per day over the past week or so.

If you've got one of these motors, keep an eye out for leaks and watch the
level in the overflow bottle.
<<<

Heh.  Sound advice.  Just took the wife's '99 Grand Prix GT (3.8l with
56,000 miles) to the dealer last week for this.  I smelled coolant for a
while, but couldn't find the leak.  Finally, during the frigid weather it
opened up enough to leak a few drips on the driveway ... yay!  problem is
verifiable at last!  They replaced the intake (and the HVAC blower, which
had a shot bearing), so I guess that justifies the GMPP warranty purchase
;)

Bob DeMuth.
'72 88 conv.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 11:17:50 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: KA water pump pulley wanted

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Greetings list

I need the KA water pump pulley for my 68 Hurst/Olds.

Anyone got such part lying around?

please let me know.

Thank you and God bless you all

Vinny

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:46:58 -0600
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Comp Cams Rocker Kit Pushrods

All,
	A question for those that have installed the Competition Cams rocker kits for the big blocks....Are the pushrods supplied with the kit the correct length?  I thought I recall someone writing that the had to use different pushrods.
	I may also be losing it, so please reply if you have used this kit.

Thanks!


Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode)
'68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine)
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:07:29 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Oldsnuts nominate best/ worst buys

Having fun reading this "Farm Show" magazine
Crazy farmers concoct things out of parts of other things
Home built Bobcats
gangs of 20 mowers
rot like that....
A favorite trick is "repowering" that old tractor with semi engine, etc.
Numerous articles on tractors with Olds engines, one with AL V8.
John deere repowered with Olds Diesel, etc.

one neat feature is the "Farmers nominate best/ worst buys" thing

I like that...

It goes like this- for say Olds stuff or stuff in general:

Best buy- Harbor Freight or Homier ALuminum 3000 lb capacity jack- $100 to 
$130 now, works GREAT, lifts fast, EASY to carry.

Another best buy- HFreight Diamond cutting wheels for the Dremel. I use cut 
wheels to etch info into tools. Was always breaking them cheesy cheap one, 
and the $1 each units wear out quickly too. The diamond ones were $2.50 a 5 
pack, on sale, and still using the first one, weeks later. Great product, 
even worth the usual $10 for 5.

Worst buy- Cheap Tools Nut splitter, bought to use on fender bolts, idea 
being to save the shiny capped bolts, just split the nut off. Does not fit 
onto the nuts most bumpers due to shape of bumper. If it does fit, it does 
not go down far enough to stay on. Cutter broke on the first nut. Ring that 
was supposed to keep the pusher in the tool came off first use. Not worth 
even trying to use. Even if the nut is readily accessible. Utterly useless.

Best buy- FUSICK emblem for deklid of the 1968 442. High quality, not 
flexible like others' units.

Anybody got similar nominations?
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 10:20:30 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass restoration progress

Tom,

I noticed the repainted wheels. Those wheels were on my '65 Vista Cruiser
when I bought her. I really like the looks of the wheels *without* the
chrome around the cutouts, *without* the center cap, and *without* the
chrome trim ring. You just gave me an idea which I might use in the future.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Bejma" <tomcb@prplastics.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:06 AM
Subject: 69 Cutlass restoration progress


> Hi List,
>
> I've updated my web page with the progress on my 69 Cutlass restoration.
> The latest step was coating the fire wall and front frame rails with
POR-15.
> It turned out pretty well.
>
> http://homepage.mac.com/tcbracing/PhotoAlbum4.html
>
> As always, any comments or suggestions are always welcome.
>
> Tom Bejma
> Harrison Twp., MI
> 1969 Cutlass S Convertible [H/O Reproduction]
> 1987 BMW 325e [Man, the Germans sure know how to make a car handle]
> 2002 Oldsmobile Intrigue [the Luxury car]
> 2002 Saturn VUE [Family Hauler]

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:31:14 -0600
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Subject: RE: Olds 425 Crank in an Olds 455 motor

http://members.dandy.net/~k0xp/Oldsmobile/425Hints/BBOBuildUps.htm

Suggestions for improvement are always gratefully received  :o)))))
SteveH 

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Hey SteveH,

I dunno how, the first version is pretty sweet! :)
Ian Dixon

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:31:44 -0500
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: 69 Cutlass restoration progress

Milton,

I agree with you, they do look pretty good without the bright
metal, but what about the hole in the center hub - it looks
incomplete without the center cap?

I'll try a snap a picture of the wheels on the car and post
it.  It looks a little like a "police" Cutlass with the rims
on.

Tom

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Infinite Space Systems, Inc. [mailto:imp@theriver.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:21 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass restoration progress
> 
> 
> Tom,
> 
> I noticed the repainted wheels. Those wheels were on my '65 
> Vista Cruiser
> when I bought her. I really like the looks of the wheels *without* the
> chrome around the cutouts, *without* the center cap, and *without* the
> chrome trim ring. You just gave me an idea which I might use 
> in the future.
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Bejma" <tomcb@prplastics.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 6:06 AM
> Subject: 69 Cutlass restoration progress
> 
> 
> > Hi List,
> >
> > I've updated my web page with the progress on my 69 Cutlass 
> restoration.
> > The latest step was coating the fire wall and front frame rails with
> POR-15.
> > It turned out pretty well.
> >
> > http://homepage.mac.com/tcbracing/PhotoAlbum4.html
> >
> > As always, any comments or suggestions are always welcome.
> >
> > Tom Bejma
> > Harrison Twp., MI
> > 1969 Cutlass S Convertible [H/O Reproduction]
> > 1987 BMW 325e [Man, the Germans sure know how to make a car handle]
> > 2002 Oldsmobile Intrigue [the Luxury car]
> > 2002 Saturn VUE [Family Hauler]
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:52:07 GMT
From: geo.aigel@netzero.net
Subject: Re: Comp Cams Rocker Kit Pushrods

They come with the right lenght. The rods in the kit are different length than the stock pushrods because the rocker arms are different.

That's where the confusion came in when I bought replacements. I asked Summit what the 1441 (the SB kit in my case) came with, and they said with high energy pushrods. So I ordered high energy pushrods for SB olds, which of course are the stock replacements and not the same length than the one that come with the kit ...

You get the idea. 1442 will have what you need for your 455, no problems.

George

- -- "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com> wrote:
All,
	A question for those that have installed the Competition Cams rocker kits for the big blocks....Are the pushrods supplied with the kit the correct length?  I thought I recall someone writing that the had to use different pushrods.
	I may also be losing it, so please reply if you have used this kit.

Thanks!


Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode)
'68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine)
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:23:58 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Limitations of Caddy/Olds EFI system   was - Re: 455 Fuel Injection?

> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 23:36:27 -0500
> From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>


snip


> Err...I think this is incorrect here. The PORTS are not what 
> are small, but the throttle body holes. What I think happened is that 
> traditionalists took one glance at this "2bbl" manifold and figured it would 
> perform as well as a car with a 2bbl. WRONG...you have to remember that is "2bbl" 
> is only flowing AIR through the throttle body. Anyway, this can be overcome 
> as well, if you really think it's important, by boring out the holes. Think about it,
> anyway - why would they purposely cast a manifold that didn't 
> match up with the ports of the heads it was destined to mate to?

OK, what I think I meant to say was that the RUNNERS, not the PORTS, were smaller, as in a smaller cross sectional area. Maybe that is incorrect - as I said, I have not verified this, I'm just passing along what I read. If the intake is a viable performance part then I'd like to know about it. 

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 12:27:19 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass restoration progress

Tom,

> I agree with you, they do look pretty good without the bright
> metal, but what about the hole in the center hub - it looks
> incomplete without the center cap?


The front spindle hubs should stick out enough to blend in. That also means
the spindle hubs and wheel bearing dust cover cap need to be painted to
match. The rear drums and axle flange also need to be painted.


> I'll try a snap a picture of the wheels on the car and post
> it.  It looks a little like a "police" Cutlass with the rims
> on.


Perfect! Stealth mode.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:16:12 -0500
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: Seville Intake

So sorry Ron for the BIG Mistake...when I said you were married....LOL

Tami

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:37:04 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 455 crate motor - F/S - 800 bucks

Randy,

I don't mind the competition. There's plenty of it already, so one more
person in the game won't make much difference. Besides, being that we're
friends we may be able to help each other out now and then.

John

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 18:27:09 -0500
From: "Randy Geisel" <rocket455@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Olds in winder was [Re: 455 crate motor - F/S] 

> OLDS engine on display in a shop ANYWHERE, eh  ;o\  ;o\  ;o\

I like that idea!! Now where do I cut the winder to display this thing? LOL

Unfortunely there is no front, side or rear winder. The store is in the
lower level (basically an exposed basement) of the hardware store the owner
also owns.

A tricked out Olds motor WOULD definitely look great sitting on the showroom
floor! HMMM, add that to the business plan......

> You'll need a sign in yer winder, too: "Oldsmobile Spoken Here"

You would be surprised how many Olds guys have followed me from the other
store and how many more have surfaced since I've been at this one.

Get this...there's a little frail soft spoken late 50's early 60's gentleman
named Oscar that comes to the store. He's owns a hair salon in Philly and
the best I can tell by his accent...is from a Norwegian country. I know this
is stereotypical, but at first meeting you'd never consider this guy a car
nut.

Anyways, he was restoring an early 60's Benz and I'd track down the parts he
needed. One day he brought the car in for me to see.....Nice car, not my cup
of tea. He tells me he did all of the mechanical work, welding, painting
etc..

I'm wearing my Hurst/Olds Nationals t-shirt and he tells me he has a '70
Cutlass. Cool!!

He brings it in a few days later and I just about dropped dead!! It's a
beautiful orange 1970 W-30 that is his wife's car!!!! Almost all original.
Purrs like a kitten. Has the gauges, under dash 8-track etc. He did some
body panel patching and painting...himself mind you....him doing the work
still blows my mind. I just can't picture him with a welder in his hands.

His wife was with him.When I stuck my head inside I told her that if he ever
sold it...let me know. She said "It's my car and it will be passed down to
the kids when the time comes".

I have to get pictures of this car for you all to see. Right now it's tucked
away until Spring. Dang...just thinkin' about that car...yo hon, you up for
a roll in the hay tonight?! ;-)

Randy

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:48:03 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Cutlass Cowltag

Not on the list, respond to b.koster13@chello.nl if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:   "Bob Koster" <b.koster13@chello.nl>
Subject: Cutlass Cowltag 

Hello I have got A Oldsmobile Cutlass F85 The Cowltag says.
STYLE 64-3237
BodyLA15351
Trim967
ACC x-t-s-2c-t-3d-5a

The vin code is 824m177173.
Can you tell me has it got a B-09 pakage

thanks Bob Koster

Alkmaar. THE Netherlands.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 19:51:11 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Frame Question & '68 Cutlass Parts

Not on the list, respond to robert.canton@us.pwc.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Subject: Frame Question & '68 Cutlass Parts
From:   robert.canton@us.pwc.com

I have a '66 cutlass convertible that I'm restoring, which I'm hoping to 
use the frame from a '67 cutlass convertible donor as a replacement. 
Couple of questions regarding this:  (1)  Although Hollander's doesn't 
suggest the frames are interchangeable, does anyone know if this will work 
with no modifications?  (2)  My donor car has a Type "O" rear axle with 
12-bolts on the cover and "SA" Code, while the '66 has its original diff 
w/ 10-bolt cover.  Any thoughts on which I should keep?

Also, my donor car, although being a '67, has a '67 350 ci engine and what 
appears to be a '68 Jetaway transmission (code on servo is 68 MM 287). 
Anyone want any of this?  It's sitting on my garage floor.  Heads and 
intake are off the engine (came that way), but I have them too if anyone 
wants them.  I bought the donor car from Arizona a few months back, but 
I'm in Florida now.

Rob

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 17:29:33 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: 69 Cutlass restoration progress

Dibs on the trim rings : )

M

At 10:20 AM 1/21/2004 -0700, Milton wrote:
>I noticed the repainted wheels. Those wheels were on my '65 Vista Cruiser
>when I bought her. I really like the looks of the wheels *without* the
>chrome around the cutouts, *without* the center cap, and *without* the
>chrome trim ring. You just gave me an idea which I might use in the future.

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:37:56 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: formorly/ Seville Intake

  not a problem
  one day ill do it again,
  most likely when i'm deaf.
  lol
  take care
  ron
  --- Original Message ----- 
  From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 5:16 PM
  Subject: Re: Seville Intake


  > So sorry Ron for the BIG Mistake...when I said you were married....LOL
  > 
  > Tami
  > 
  > 

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:43:25 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: my 69 olds (fwd)

Rec'd personally, respond to Lopescomery@aol.com if you can assist. Can
this be a '69 H/O?

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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From: Lopescomery@aol.com
Subject: my 69 olds

Hi, my name is george lopes I have a 1969 olds 442 con, with a 4 speed trans 
and 3.91 rear end. My car is being restored back to factory specs. My car came 
with husrt rims and a spear in the truck (69) and hurst mirrors, but all 
crome.
I could understand having hurst rims but, mirrors make no scense.
I tried installing factory mirrors but they didn.t fit because the hole on 
the drivers side was to big (factory holes) we also tried installing remote 
mirrors but they didn,t fit also.Do you think the car was a pomo car in 69? my vin 
is 34467m368190
please help 
thank you!

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 20:50:23 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Fw: [Oldsmobile Cutlass Owners Club] KA Water pump pulley

  can any one help this guy out
  email him directly
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: <HURSTOLDZ@aol.com>
  To: <442@yahoogroups.com>; <Cutlass442Owners@yahoogroups.com>; <hurstolds@yahoogroups.com>;
<oldsmobile@yahoogroups.com>; <oldsmobilecutlassownersclub@yahoogroups.com>;
<oldsmobilerocketpower@yahoogroups.com>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:28 AM
  Subject: [Oldsmobile Cutlass Owners Club] KA Water pump pulley


  > Greetings list
  >
  > I need the KA water pump pulley for my 68 Hurst/Olds.
  >
  > Anyone got such part lying around?
  >
  > please let me know.
  >
  > Thank you and God bless you all
  >
  > Vinny
  >
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >
  >
  >
  >
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  >
  > To visit your group on the web, go to:
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 02:31:06 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: formorly/ Seville Intake

At 08:37 PM 1/21/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>  not a problem
>  one day ill do it again,
>  most likely when i'm deaf.

Yeah, that *is* an advantage; I just turn off the hearing aids  :o))))))))))

SteveH

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:35:44 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fw: [Oldsmobile Cutlass Owners Club] KA Water pump pulley

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Thanks Ron!

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:51:31 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: formorly/ Seville Intake

  with my luck she would know sign language
  lol
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:31 PM
  Subject: Re: formorly/ Seville Intake


  > At 08:37 PM 1/21/2004 -0500, you wrote:
  > >  not a problem
  > >  one day ill do it again,
  > >  most likely when i'm deaf.
  > 
  > Yeah, that *is* an advantage; I just turn off the hearing aids  :o))))))))))
  > 
  > SteveH
  > 
  > 

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Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:09:48 -0500
From: njot33@juno.com
Subject: question on newer Olds...

I know this list is mainly about rear wheel drive Oldsmobiles but I am
wondering if someone out there can help with a question on a front wheel
drive Olds.

I have owned a 94 Cutlass Ciera for a few months which has a problem I
can't seem to solve. 
It has the 3.1 V6 engine- is anyone here familiar with it?

It is leaking a quart of oil every 400 miles!!  Every time I get gas I
have to put a quart in it.  It seems to come from somewhere near the top
of the engine, more on the driver's side, or in the back.  I replaced the
valve cover gaskets, but that did not solve the problem, so I can't
figure out where else so much oil could possibly be coming from!  What
the heck could this leak be from?

The motor runs great so I would be very doubtful a head gasket is to
blame, and it is definitely leaking the oil and not burning it (no smoke
at all).

The other question is less important...  it has this option on it where
the power locks lock automatically when you put the car in gear and
unlock when you turn off the ignition.  Is there any way to disable this
option??  It is very annoying.  I can power lock and unlock the doors
myself, I don't need the car to do it for me, especially when I have no
other passengers.

Thanks.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:30:59 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: question on newer Olds...

if its the 3.1 i think it is  just under the throttle body on bell housing flange theres a hold down clamp wich retains oil pump drive assembly, there is a gasket and seal that goes bad, and leaks oil.
ron 
> I know this list is mainly about rear wheel drive Oldsmobiles but I am
> wondering if someone out there can help with a question on a front wheel
> drive Olds.
> 
> I have owned a 94 Cutlass Ciera for a few months which has a problem I
> can't seem to solve. 
> It has the 3.1 V6 engine- is anyone here familiar with it?
> 
> It is leaking a quart of oil every 400 miles!!  Every time I get gas I
> have to put a quart in it.  It seems to come from somewhere near the top
> of the engine, more on the driver's side, or in the back.  I replaced the
> valve cover gaskets, but that did not solve the problem, so I can't
> figure out where else so much oil could possibly be coming from!  What
> the heck could this leak be from?
> 
> The motor runs great so I would be very doubtful a head gasket is to
> blame, and it is definitely leaking the oil and not burning it (no smoke
> at all).
> 
> The other question is less important...  it has this option on it where
> the power locks lock automatically when you put the car in gear and
> unlock when you turn off the ignition.  Is there any way to disable this
> option??  It is very annoying.  I can power lock and unlock the doors
> myself, I don't need the car to do it for me, especially when I have no
> other passengers.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 03:57:36 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: formorly/ Seville Intake

At 09:51 PM 1/21/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>  with my luck she would know sign language
>  lol
>  ron

Fine with me; *I* don't!!  :o)))))

SteveH

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 04:49:11 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: formorly/ Seville Intake

see you're point either do i
take care 
ron
> At 09:51 PM 1/21/2004 -0500, you wrote:
> >  with my luck she would know sign language
> >  lol
> >  ron
> 
> Fine with me; *I* don't!!  :o)))))
> 
> SteveH
> 

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:43:00 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Limitations of Caddy/Olds EFI system   was - Re: 455 Fuel Injection?

On Jan 21, 2004, at 9:45 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 18:01:48 -0700
> From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
> Subject: Limitations of Caddy/Olds EFI system   was - Re: 455 Fuel 
> Injection?
>
>> Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2004 10:24:20 -0600
>> From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
>> Subject: Re: 455 Fuel Injection?
>>
>
> snip
>
>> I was considering using TBI just to get the thing going, then
>> switch to port injection when I had a manifold. That changed
>> when I found the Caddy/Olds EFI setup.
>
> I read several posts a while back on ROP or Oldspower in which the 
> Caddy/Olds EFI system was discussed. Apparently the system is lacking 
> in several areas (I have not verified this information personally, I 
> am just repeating what was posted):
>
> Injectors - early design, not high flow rate, and different physical 
> size from typical modern injectors, so interchangeability is an issue.

Won't be using them. I'll either be using 8 Ford CFI injectors (same 
design as port injectors, unlike GM TBI, but high flow rates ~480-490 
cc/min), or 8 Mazda RX-7 injectors (460 cc/min.)
>
> Fuel Rail - made for the factory injectors so it won't mate up with 
> modern injectors.

It will when I'm through with it. This guy made it all work with LT1 
injectors: http://www.grimers.com/olds/403fi.htm
Just needs to be drilled out a tad. I have a drawing around here 
somewhere of a 'standard' Bosch injector. Failing that I have the fuel 
rail from one of my RX-7's to measure. The manifold holes should be 
fine with the appropriate o-ring - the factory seal won't work (too 
small, like the fuel rail.)
>
> ECM/Controller - Analog controller with severe limitations. This can 
> be overcome by using an Accel, Mega Squirt, etc aftermarket 
> controller, though.

I'll be using MegaSquirt. didn't even get the retro-tech piece of scrap.
>
> Intake Manifold - small port design, so flow rate is not sufficient 
> for a high performance application

Well, I haven't really looked closely, but the manifold appears to be 
just a big ol' plenum. Not much in the way of runners, so enlarging the 
ports shouldn't be too much trouble. It is cast iron (later units are 
aluminum), which makes it a bit more fun. I'll likely leave it alone 
for now.
>
> I'll concede that some of these limitations can be overcome, but from 
> what I remember the intake manifold itself was one of the major 
> disappointments with the system. Assuming that this is the case, I 
> wouldn't think that this system would be a viable platform for a 
> performance buildup.

If it turns out to be a limitation, I've put some thought into building 
my own manifold. Not all that hard really, if one can weld and cut. Or 
I'll lay out the cash for a Dominator and modify it. Right now, I just 
want to get it running on EFI. And add the tall spindles/big brakes. 
And the rear discs. Um, needs a quarter panel replaced, too. Headliner. 
Carpet. Aw, crud. I'm never going to get this thing finished...
>
> Kevin, what are your thoughts on this? Sounds like you're researched 
> it a bit.

A little. First I've actually thought about the performance limitations 
of the manifold itself, though. Take a look at the pictures of the 
manifold at the grimers.com url above, specifically 
http://www.grimers.com/images/olds4.jpg. What do you think?
>
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> Phoenix, AZ

On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX

krwright@sbcgloabl.net
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:51:45 -0500
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: '72 98 Comfortron

Matt,
I looked at my service manual the other night. The temperature door 
controls how much hot or warm air hits the system. The temperature door 
has an arm that is attached to the power servo. This power servo is in 
turn controlled by the transducer. The transducer is a long silver tube 
is mounted under the glovebox.

The way the system works in a nutshell is...the transducer receives 
voltage from an amplifier in the control unit. This makes it give a 
variable amount of vacuum to the power servo, which has an arm that 
swings to full open or full closed basec on the level of vacuum coming 
from the power servo. Now what may be happening is that the vacuum going 
to that door is dying while you are driving, hence the transducer may 
not be getting enough vacuum, which would cause the power servo to not 
move that arm properly, which would in turn cause the door to act the 
way it is. What Ill do is look at my book tonite. I want to see what 
setting the system defaults to when there isnt any vacuum. If my book 
says the system defaults to full hot when there is no vacuum, that would 
lead me to believe there is a vacuum problem.

So Im going to look in my book about the system operating under no 
vacuum or low vacuum. I know you cant look at it right now. But thats 
cool, at least when you do hopefully I can point you in the right 
direction. As a matter of fact I live in the DC area, it hasnt got above 
freezing here for about a week now. I have rebuilt the carb, replaced 
some water hoses, and also found out that the gas tank is frozen or 
clogged up. SO I know what it feels like to work in the cold lol

paulbunyan

matt_brule@waters.com wrote:

> Matt,
> No problem! Im always trying to help someone out, specially when I 
> think I know what Im talking bout. I think your problem is that door 
> contolling hot or cold air is opening up while youre driving. Maybe 
> this could be because the vacuum isnt strong enough to keep it closed 
> while driving, and when it idles the vacuum goes back up. At any rate, 
> lemme look at my Service Manual when I get home and Ill reply back 
> tomorrow or soon. Keeping in touch is no problem too, just shoot an 
> email to bigcarbunyan@netscape.net
>
> paulbunyan
>
> p.s. You might wanna look into buying a Chassis Service Manual too. I 
> bought mines and it has complete instructions for everything from 
> rebuilding the carb to the comfortron to installing another cam. I got 
> mines from Fusick Automotive in Ct for 60 bux
>
> Matt_Brule@waters.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> Thanks for getting back to me.  The vacuum switch I disconnected has 
>> nothing to do with the comfortron (I don't think), it controls the 
>> vacuum advance relative to engine temp.
>>
>> I probably can look under the dash and see if I can find the door you 
>> reference.  It can be tough in that the system malfunctions while 
>> driving, but is OK after idling.
>>
>> This discussion is a bit premature, as I cannot perform any 
>> meaningful diagnosis now, it is 20 degrees here in Mass!  Just posted 
>> when I saw your offer in another post for comfortron help, it is not 
>> easy to find someone that is knowledgeable with these systems!
>>
>> Please relay any thoughts that you have, I can't look at the car now 
>> as it is in winter storage and it is too cold to be checking AC.  I 
>> would however like to keep in touch, if you don't mind, so that I can 
>> try to fix it this spring.
>>
>> Thanks again!
>>
>> Matt 
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 06:58:30 -0800 (PST)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: good experience buying from RS

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 15:01:49 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: question on newer Olds...

> if its the 3.1 i think it is  just under the throttle body on bell housing 
> flange theres a hold down clamp wich retains oil pump drive assembly, there is a 
> gasket and seal that goes bad, and leaks oil.

It could also be the intake manifold gaskets.  3.1s are known for intake coolant leaks, but sometimes they leak oil, also.

Paul

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:03:26 -0500
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Oldsnuts nominate best/ worst buys

Have to echo Chris Smetana...

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Witt [mailto:rocketscience442@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:07 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Oldsnuts nominate best/ worst buys
> 
[Snip]
> 
> Best buy- FUSICK emblem for deklid of the 1968 442. High quality, not 
> flexible like others' units.
> 
> Anybody got similar nominations?
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911

Best Buy - Anything (and he's got A LOT of stuff) purchased from Chris
Witt.  Excellent communication, fair price, superb packaging and parts
that meet or exceed expectations.  Thanks Chris!

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI

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Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 12:50:36 -0300
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsnuts nominate best/ worst buys

Let's remember John Nasta as well... And Smitty... they both have rare
parts, good prices and all arrives ok.
Matt


> Have to echo Chris Smetana...
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Christopher Witt [mailto:rocketscience442@hotmail.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:07 PM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Oldsnuts nominate best/ worst buys
> >
> [Snip]
> >
> > Best buy- FUSICK emblem for deklid of the 1968 442. High quality, not
> > flexible like others' units.
> >
> > Anybody got similar nominations?
> > -----------------------
> > Chris Witt
> > 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> > Lansing MI 48911
>
> Best Buy - Anything (and he's got A LOT of stuff) purchased from Chris
> Witt.  Excellent communication, fair price, superb packaging and parts
> that meet or exceed expectations.  Thanks Chris!
>
> Tom Bejma
> Harrison Twp., MI

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