
oldsmobile-digest      Sunday, January 11 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4739



Forward: [Elky] Check this out...
Re: test/Back again
Behind the death of an Olds
FW: Pix of the car you requested [to the scammers]
Providence? WAS more brake fun
Re: Behind the death of an Olds
Re: Providence? WAS more brake fun
oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE
Re: Pix of the car you requested [to the scammers]
Re: Providence? WAS more brake fun
Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE
Re: Providence? WAS more brake fun
Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE
FW: Pix of the car you requested
New items available
Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:31:52 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Forward: [Elky] Check this out...

THIS outta put JSP's cars with the grass growing through the radiators to
shame  :o))))

>http://www.kars.com/categories/ford/6022AP.html

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 17:57:30 -0500
From: "Erwin Mendoza" <olds6887442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: test/Back again

When the heck did you get here? :-P



Erwin Mendoza
OCA# 29671
Rallye 350 Chapter(gone but not forgotten)
87 442 (gone as of 10/02/03)
68 442
Edison, NJ
mailto:olds6887442@hotmail.com





>From: HotRodHarrys@aol.com
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: Re: test/Back again
>Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2004 20:17:39 EST
>
>Hi buddy...hope all is well with the growing family!!!  Give my best to 
>Anna
>and Sara!
>
>Harry
>www.HotRodHarrys.com
>Another 2003 Mustang Cobra

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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 18:13:17 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <oldsmagnet@oldsmagnet.com>
Subject: Behind the death of an Olds

I'm beginning to think that Microsoft is responsible for Olds's demise. 
Right now I'm convinced that MSN is behind everything evil in this world. 
In the past, I could have just put a link up for someone to surf somewhere, 
  but nooooooooooooooooooooooooo, not with these a##clowns.  GRRRR.  OK, 
so, if you're following this in a timely manner (with Micro$oft, who 
knows...) click on msn.com, then click on "Mars rover ready to roll" (those 
morons seem to think they need to move it around every ten minutes, too, so 
ya might have to hunt for a bit)  ANYWAY, on that page (which is here right 
now:  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3883986/  but God only knows with that 
place...) is a link to "launch" a video browser (and forces you to a: 
endure more of their proprietary garbage, and b: sit thru a BS ad for more 
micro$oft communist propaganda, and c: pray that the stupid thing ~works~. 
  Anyway, in the thumbnail bar on the bottom is (for now, at least) a video 
titled "Car Hunt" or something to that nature.  Somewhat amusing, quite 
alarming, but the star of the show is a remote control mid 70s Olds 
roundback wagon (98?  couldn't get a good enough look when they showed the 
emblem)

clicking within the video will take you to this site:
http://peoplehater.org/carhunthtml/carframe.html

which has a handful of stills, but they don't do the vid any justice. (and 
I couldn't find any links to the vid from there, although I gave up 
quickly.)  If you watch the video, you'll understand part of why I'm half 
bitter about this all...  and if you have as much trouble getting to the 
video, as I've had trying to direct you all there...  well that'll explain 
the other half.

Noteworthy that he had good things to say about the Oldsmobile being a 
tough-to-kill machine.  (Of course)

Just thought it might be interesting to attempt to pass it along, if at all 
possible.


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Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:56:35 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: FW: Pix of the car you requested [to the scammers]

"borrowed scammer's eddress from the thing posted to the list...
+++++++++++++++++++++

>From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
>To: walterfernardez007@yahoo.com
>Subject: Pix of the car you requested
>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:55:02 -0500
>
>Good sir;
>
>Attached please find pictures of the car as you requested.
>
>Please let me know if the condition is satisfactory and if so when I can 
>expect the payment.
>
>Payment must be made by certified cashier's check, as you stated you could 
>do. I have no problem cashing a check for a larger amount, can simply wire 
>you the excess funds so that you can begin arranging shipping.
>
>Thanks! I really need this money from the car sale in order to make my 
>house payments right away and not lose my house. So, please act swiftly!
>-----------------------
>Chris Witt
>1303 W. Miller Rd.
>Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:34:15 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Providence? WAS more brake fun

"more brake fun" was about how, during brake bleeding, I couldn't get any
fluid to come out of the front calipers of my 1977 Delta 88 Pace Car with
otherwise working front brakes

Went out to the garage to smoke, picked up 1977 Olds Service Manual to read
while doing so, randomly opened book, had opened it to Brakes 5-19,
"Hydraulic System - Bleeding System" by complete chance, started to read
and right there on 5-20, Step 2 in the Manual Bleed procedure:

"Disc brake equipped cars require a manual over-ride of the front brake
metering valve to permit flow to the front brakes.  Loosen the forward
combination valve mounting bolt and install Tool J-23709 until the plunger
on the front of the valve is fully depressed.  Tighten the bolt and check
that the plunger is held in."

What the hell is this all about?  Why have I never heard of this before?
Why didn't any of the very smart people on the list know anything about
this?  The 1984 CSM mentions something very similar in it's bleed procedure
(5-14), although I never had to do anything of the sort to bleed the front
brakes of the '84 Delta...

Could this be a function of not ever having the factory prop valve replaced
with an aftermarket replacement without this manual bleed
provision/requirement?
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----- 
Brian Ammons 	
b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
reallywildstuff@yahoo.com
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ------ 

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 04:05:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Hutchison <rkt88403@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Behind the death of an Olds

 It looks to be a '73 Custom Cruiser?


=====
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95 GMC Sierra 1500,95 Prowler 27N travel trailer
81 W-88 Cpe 403/TH350/8.5-3.23 LS
My Olds Club http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/olds889877to85

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 08:27:20 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Providence? WAS more brake fun

  you do not have to do that
  remove front bleeder screws are  the bleeder screw hgoles clear ,  if so  take something like a
scribe and poke it into the bleeder screw opening into calaper to break the  film on top fluid
should flow nicely
  that step with proportioning valve is if the system lost front brakes, once you get a good pedal
after you have lost either front or rear just mash brake prdal down a few times it recenters the
proportioning valve.
   on a another note  4 months ago changed rear wheel cyl on my 77 cutlass went to move the car
yesterday, no back brakes of coarse it was cold and on high idle as soon as it hit reverse the tires
spun untile i applied parking brakes, raised car thought wheel cyl had let go, found that the master
had a leak, replaced  and bled car stops great, now the fuel pump is leaking again, but at least i
got it to the shop  to put fuel pump in and swap out rear gears and install my posi unit. just wish
the car i was restoreing was this far along
  ron
    ---- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Brian Ammons" <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 1:34 AM
  Subject: Providence? WAS more brake fun


  > "more brake fun" was about how, during brake bleeding, I couldn't get any
  > fluid to come out of the front calipers of my 1977 Delta 88 Pace Car with
  > otherwise working front brakes
  >
  > Went out to the garage to smoke, picked up 1977 Olds Service Manual to read
  > while doing so, randomly opened book, had opened it to Brakes 5-19,
  > "Hydraulic System - Bleeding System" by complete chance, started to read
  > and right there on 5-20, Step 2 in the Manual Bleed procedure:
  >
  > "Disc brake equipped cars require a manual over-ride of the front brake
  > metering valve to permit flow to the front brakes.  Loosen the forward
  > combination valve mounting bolt and install Tool J-23709 until the plunger
  > on the front of the valve is fully depressed.  Tighten the bolt and check
  > that the plunger is held in."
  >
  > What the hell is this all about?  Why have I never heard of this before?
  > Why didn't any of the very smart people on the list know anything about
  > this?  The 1984 CSM mentions something very similar in it's bleed procedure
  > (5-14), although I never had to do anything of the sort to bleed the front
  > brakes of the '84 Delta...
  >
  > Could this be a function of not ever having the factory prop valve replaced
  > with an aftermarket replacement without this manual bleed
  > provision/requirement?
  > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  > ----- 
  > Brian Ammons
  > b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
  > reallywildstuff@yahoo.com
  > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
  > ------ 
  >
  >

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 09:29:48 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE

Oil change instructions for women ....

1.    Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles since the
last oil
       change.

2.    Drink a cup of coffee.  15 minutes later, write a check and leave with
a properly maintained vehicle.


Money spent Oil Change $24.00 Coffee $1.00 Total $25.00


===============================

Oil Change instructions for Men

1.    Wait until Saturday, drive to auto parts store and buy a case of oil,
filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner and a scented tree, write a check for
$50.00.

2.    Stop by 7 - 11 and buy a case of beer, write a check for $20.00, drive
home.

3.    Open a beer and drink it.

4.    Jack car up.  Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands.

5.    Find jack stands under kid's pedal car.  In frustration, open another
beer and drink it.

6.    Place drain pan under engine.

7.    Look for 9/16 box end wrench.

8.    Give up and use crescent wrench.

9.    Unscrew drain plug.

10.    Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil: splash hot oil on you in process.

11.    Cuss.

12.    Crawl out from under car to wipe hot oil off of face and arms.

13.    Throw kitty litter on spilled oil.

14.    Have another beer while watching oil drain.

15.    Spend 30 minutes looking for oil filter wrench .

16.    Give up; crawl under car and hammer a screwdriver through oil filter
and twist off.

17.    Crawl out from under car with dripping oil filter splashing oil
everywhere from holes.

18.    Cleverly hide old oil filter among trash in trash can to avoid
environmental
penalties.

19.    Drink a beer.

20.    Buddy shows up; finish case of beer with him.  Decide to finish oil
change tomorrow so you can go see his new garage door opener.

21.    Sunday: Skip church because "I gotta finish the oil change." Drag pan
full of old oil out from underneath car.  Cleverly dump oil in hole in back
yard instead of taking it back to Kragen to recycle.

22.    Throw kitty litter on oil spilled during step 18.

23.    Beer?  No, drank it all yesterday.

24.    Walk to 7-11; buy beer.

25.    Install new oil filter making sure to apply a thin coat of oil to
gasket surface.

26.    Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine.

27.    Remember drain plug from step 10.

28.    Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan.

29.    Remember that the used oil is buried in a hole in the back yard,
along with drain plug.

30.    Drink beer.

31.    Shovel out hole and sift oily mud for drain plug.  Re-shovel oily
dirt into hole.  Steal sand from kids sandbox to cleverly cover oily patch
of ground and avoid environmental penalties.  Wash drain plug in lawnmower
gas.

32.    Discover that first quart of fresh oil is now on the floor.  Throw
kitty litter on oil spill.

33.    Drink beer.

34.    Crawl under car getting kitty litter into eyes.  Wipe eyes with oily
rag used to clean drain plug.  Slip with stupid crescent wrench tightening
drain plug and bang knuckles on frame.

35.    Bang head on floorboards in reaction to step 34.

36.    Begin cussing fit.

37.    Throw stupid crescent wrench.

38.    Cuss for additional 10 minutes because wrench hit Miss December
(1992).

39.    Beer.

40.    Clean up hands and forehead and bandage as required to stop blood
flow.

41.    Beer.

42.    Beer.

43.    Dump in five fresh quarts of oil.

44.    Beer.

45.    Lower car from jack stands.

46.    Accidentally crush remaining case of new motor oil.

47.    Move car back to apply more kitty litter to fresh oil spilled during
step 46.

48.    Beer.

49.    Test drive car.

50.    Get pulled over: arrested for driving under the influence.

51.    Car gets impounded.

52.    Call loving wife, make bail.

53.    12 hours later, get car from impound yard.

Money spent:

Parts $50.00
DUI $2500.00
Impound fee $75.00
Bail $1500.00
Beer $40.00
Total-- $4165.00    -- But you know the oil change job was done right.
PRICELESS !!


The General       patton442@verizon.net

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 10:17:30 -0500
From: "Peter Berusch" <Berusch@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Pix of the car you requested [to the scammers]

  Aha!  So, the game is afoot once more.

Peter


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 11:56 PM
Subject: FW: Pix of the car you requested [to the scammers]


> "borrowed scammer's eddress from the thing posted to the list...
> +++++++++++++++++++++
> 

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 17:28:19 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Providence? WAS more brake fun

At 12:34 AM 1/11/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>"Disc brake equipped cars require a manual over-ride of the front brake
>metering valve to permit flow to the front brakes.  Loosen the forward
>combination valve mounting bolt and install Tool J-23709 until the plunger
>on the front of the valve is fully depressed.  Tighten the bolt and check
>that the plunger is held in."
>
>What the hell is this all about?  Why have I never heard of this before?
>Why didn't any of the very smart people on the list know anything about
>this?  The 1984 CSM mentions something very similar in it's bleed procedure
>(5-14), although I never had to do anything of the sort to bleed the front
>brakes of the '84 Delta...

Actually, it HAS been mentioned before several times but I suspect most of
us have so little experience with this particular "requirement" that it
never occurred to us when you were mentioning your earlier problems. I've
never had a car that I had to do that to; my '88 fullsized wagon, a '79
M*nte C*rlo, '81 M*libu wagon.... never had a problem bleeding all four and
never had any idea of this "manual override".

When I first read of your problem, I was wondering if this might be what
was going on but not understanding what this "button" on the proportioning
valve is for, I thought I'd keep quiet and wait for someone with more
experience piped up. Guess nobody did
;o(((

>Could this be a function of not ever having the factory prop valve replaced
>with an aftermarket replacement without this manual bleed
>provision/requirement?

No idea.

Perhaps, if you have an open front line such that the proportioning valve
goes all the way to one end when you apply the pedal, perhaps you have to
"reset" the valve manually with the above procedure in order to get the
valve recentered again.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 13:06:26 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE

  must have been wrote by a chevy owner, we use 7/8 drain plugs
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 9:29 AM
  Subject: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE


  > Oil change instructions for women ....
  > 
  > 1.    Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles since the
  > last oil
  >        change.
  > 
  > 2.    Drink a cup of coffee.  15 minutes later, write a check and leave with
  > a properly maintained vehicle.
  > 
  > 
  > Money spent Oil Change $24.00 Coffee $1.00 Total $25.00
  > 
  > 
  > ===============================
  > 
  > Oil Change instructions for Men
  > 
  > 1.    Wait until Saturday, drive to auto parts store and buy a case of oil,
  > filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner and a scented tree, write a check for
  > $50.00.
  > 
  > 2.    Stop by 7 - 11 and buy a case of beer, write a check for $20.00, drive
  > home.
  > 
  > 3.    Open a beer and drink it.
  > 
  > 4.    Jack car up.  Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands.
  > 
  > 5.    Find jack stands under kid's pedal car.  In frustration, open another
  > beer and drink it.
  > 
  > 6.    Place drain pan under engine.
  > 
  > 7.    Look for 9/16 box end wrench.
  > 
  > 8.    Give up and use crescent wrench.
  > 
  > 9.    Unscrew drain plug.
  > 
  > 10.    Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil: splash hot oil on you in process.
  > 
  > 11.    Cuss.
  > 
  > 12.    Crawl out from under car to wipe hot oil off of face and arms.
  > 
  > 13.    Throw kitty litter on spilled oil.
  > 
  > 14.    Have another beer while watching oil drain.
  > 
  > 15.    Spend 30 minutes looking for oil filter wrench .
  > 
  > 16.    Give up; crawl under car and hammer a screwdriver through oil filter
  > and twist off.
  > 
  > 17.    Crawl out from under car with dripping oil filter splashing oil
  > everywhere from holes.
  > 
  > 18.    Cleverly hide old oil filter among trash in trash can to avoid
  > environmental
  > penalties.
  > 
  > 19.    Drink a beer.
  > 
  > 20.    Buddy shows up; finish case of beer with him.  Decide to finish oil
  > change tomorrow so you can go see his new garage door opener.
  > 
  > 21.    Sunday: Skip church because "I gotta finish the oil change." Drag pan
  > full of old oil out from underneath car.  Cleverly dump oil in hole in back
  > yard instead of taking it back to Kragen to recycle.
  > 
  > 22.    Throw kitty litter on oil spilled during step 18.
  > 
  > 23.    Beer?  No, drank it all yesterday.
  > 
  > 24.    Walk to 7-11; buy beer.
  > 
  > 25.    Install new oil filter making sure to apply a thin coat of oil to
  > gasket surface.
  > 
  > 26.    Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine.
  > 
  > 27.    Remember drain plug from step 10.
  > 
  > 28.    Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan.
  > 
  > 29.    Remember that the used oil is buried in a hole in the back yard,
  > along with drain plug.
  > 
  > 30.    Drink beer.
  > 
  > 31.    Shovel out hole and sift oily mud for drain plug.  Re-shovel oily
  > dirt into hole.  Steal sand from kids sandbox to cleverly cover oily patch
  > of ground and avoid environmental penalties.  Wash drain plug in lawnmower
  > gas.
  > 
  > 32.    Discover that first quart of fresh oil is now on the floor.  Throw
  > kitty litter on oil spill.
  > 
  > 33.    Drink beer.
  > 
  > 34.    Crawl under car getting kitty litter into eyes.  Wipe eyes with oily
  > rag used to clean drain plug.  Slip with stupid crescent wrench tightening
  > drain plug and bang knuckles on frame.
  > 
  > 35.    Bang head on floorboards in reaction to step 34.
  > 
  > 36.    Begin cussing fit.
  > 
  > 37.    Throw stupid crescent wrench.
  > 
  > 38.    Cuss for additional 10 minutes because wrench hit Miss December
  > (1992).
  > 
  > 39.    Beer.
  > 
  > 40.    Clean up hands and forehead and bandage as required to stop blood
  > flow.
  > 
  > 41.    Beer.
  > 
  > 42.    Beer.
  > 
  > 43.    Dump in five fresh quarts of oil.
  > 
  > 44.    Beer.
  > 
  > 45.    Lower car from jack stands.
  > 
  > 46.    Accidentally crush remaining case of new motor oil.
  > 
  > 47.    Move car back to apply more kitty litter to fresh oil spilled during
  > step 46.
  > 
  > 48.    Beer.
  > 
  > 49.    Test drive car.
  > 
  > 50.    Get pulled over: arrested for driving under the influence.
  > 
  > 51.    Car gets impounded.
  > 
  > 52.    Call loving wife, make bail.
  > 
  > 53.    12 hours later, get car from impound yard.
  > 
  > Money spent:
  > 
  > Parts $50.00
  > DUI $2500.00
  > Impound fee $75.00
  > Bail $1500.00
  > Beer $40.00
  > Total-- $4165.00    -- But you know the oil change job was done right.
  > PRICELESS !!
  > 
  > 
  > The General       patton442@verizon.net
  > 
  > 

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:51:29 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Providence? WAS more brake fun

Two responses, two different answers.

>At 08:27 AM 01/11/2004 -0500, Ron Fama wrote:

>  you do not have to do that
>  remove front bleeder screws are  the bleeder screw hgoles clear ,  if so
 take something like a
>scribe and poke it into the bleeder screw opening into calaper to break
the  film on top fluid
>should flow nicely
>  that step with proportioning valve is if the system lost front brakes,
once you get a good pedal
>after you have lost either front or rear just mash brake prdal down a few
times it recenters the
>proportioning valve.

At 05:28 PM 01/11/2004 +0000, Steve H wrote:
>
>Actually, it HAS been mentioned before several times but I suspect most of
>us have so little experience with this particular "requirement" that it
>never occurred to us when you were mentioning your earlier problems. I've
>never had a car that I had to do that to; my '88 fullsized wagon, a '79
>M*nte C*rlo, '81 M*libu wagon.... never had a problem bleeding all four and
>never had any idea of this "manual override".

- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ----- 
Brian Ammons 	
b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu
reallywildstuff@yahoo.com
- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
- ------ 

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 11:59:55 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE

My drain plugs take a 1/2" drive ratchet.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE


>
>   must have been wrote by a chevy owner, we use 7/8 drain plugs
>   ron
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
>   To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>   Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 9:29 AM
>   Subject: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE
>
>
>   > Oil change instructions for women ....
>   >
>   > 1.    Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles since
the
>   > last oil
>   >        change.
>   >
>   > 2.    Drink a cup of coffee.  15 minutes later, write a check and
leave with
>   > a properly maintained vehicle.
>   >
>   >
>   > Money spent Oil Change $24.00 Coffee $1.00 Total $25.00
>   >
>   >
>   > ===============================
>   >
>   > Oil Change instructions for Men
>   >
>   > 1.    Wait until Saturday, drive to auto parts store and buy a case of
oil,
>   > filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner and a scented tree, write a check
for
>   > $50.00.
>   >
>   > 2.    Stop by 7 - 11 and buy a case of beer, write a check for $20.00,
drive
>   > home.
>   >
>   > 3.    Open a beer and drink it.
>   >
>   > 4.    Jack car up.  Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands.
>   >
>   > 5.    Find jack stands under kid's pedal car.  In frustration, open
another
>   > beer and drink it.
>   >
>   > 6.    Place drain pan under engine.
>   >
>   > 7.    Look for 9/16 box end wrench.
>   >
>   > 8.    Give up and use crescent wrench.
>   >
>   > 9.    Unscrew drain plug.
>   >
>   > 10.    Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil: splash hot oil on you in
process.
>   >
>   > 11.    Cuss.
>   >
>   > 12.    Crawl out from under car to wipe hot oil off of face and arms.
>   >
>   > 13.    Throw kitty litter on spilled oil.
>   >
>   > 14.    Have another beer while watching oil drain.
>   >
>   > 15.    Spend 30 minutes looking for oil filter wrench .
>   >
>   > 16.    Give up; crawl under car and hammer a screwdriver through oil
filter
>   > and twist off.
>   >
>   > 17.    Crawl out from under car with dripping oil filter splashing oil
>   > everywhere from holes.
>   >
>   > 18.    Cleverly hide old oil filter among trash in trash can to avoid
>   > environmental
>   > penalties.
>   >
>   > 19.    Drink a beer.
>   >
>   > 20.    Buddy shows up; finish case of beer with him.  Decide to finish
oil
>   > change tomorrow so you can go see his new garage door opener.
>   >
>   > 21.    Sunday: Skip church because "I gotta finish the oil change."
Drag pan
>   > full of old oil out from underneath car.  Cleverly dump oil in hole in
back
>   > yard instead of taking it back to Kragen to recycle.
>   >
>   > 22.    Throw kitty litter on oil spilled during step 18.
>   >
>   > 23.    Beer?  No, drank it all yesterday.
>   >
>   > 24.    Walk to 7-11; buy beer.
>   >
>   > 25.    Install new oil filter making sure to apply a thin coat of oil
to
>   > gasket surface.
>   >
>   > 26.    Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine.
>   >
>   > 27.    Remember drain plug from step 10.
>   >
>   > 28.    Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan.
>   >
>   > 29.    Remember that the used oil is buried in a hole in the back
yard,
>   > along with drain plug.
>   >
>   > 30.    Drink beer.
>   >
>   > 31.    Shovel out hole and sift oily mud for drain plug.  Re-shovel
oily
>   > dirt into hole.  Steal sand from kids sandbox to cleverly cover oily
patch
>   > of ground and avoid environmental penalties.  Wash drain plug in
lawnmower
>   > gas.
>   >
>   > 32.    Discover that first quart of fresh oil is now on the floor.
Throw
>   > kitty litter on oil spill.
>   >
>   > 33.    Drink beer.
>   >
>   > 34.    Crawl under car getting kitty litter into eyes.  Wipe eyes with
oily
>   > rag used to clean drain plug.  Slip with stupid crescent wrench
tightening
>   > drain plug and bang knuckles on frame.
>   >
>   > 35.    Bang head on floorboards in reaction to step 34.
>   >
>   > 36.    Begin cussing fit.
>   >
>   > 37.    Throw stupid crescent wrench.
>   >
>   > 38.    Cuss for additional 10 minutes because wrench hit Miss December
>   > (1992).
>   >
>   > 39.    Beer.
>   >
>   > 40.    Clean up hands and forehead and bandage as required to stop
blood
>   > flow.
>   >
>   > 41.    Beer.
>   >
>   > 42.    Beer.
>   >
>   > 43.    Dump in five fresh quarts of oil.
>   >
>   > 44.    Beer.
>   >
>   > 45.    Lower car from jack stands.
>   >
>   > 46.    Accidentally crush remaining case of new motor oil.
>   >
>   > 47.    Move car back to apply more kitty litter to fresh oil spilled
during
>   > step 46.
>   >
>   > 48.    Beer.
>   >
>   > 49.    Test drive car.
>   >
>   > 50.    Get pulled over: arrested for driving under the influence.
>   >
>   > 51.    Car gets impounded.
>   >
>   > 52.    Call loving wife, make bail.
>   >
>   > 53.    12 hours later, get car from impound yard.
>   >
>   > Money spent:
>   >
>   > Parts $50.00
>   > DUI $2500.00
>   > Impound fee $75.00
>   > Bail $1500.00
>   > Beer $40.00
>   > Total-- $4165.00    -- But you know the oil change job was done right.
>   > PRICELESS !!
>   >
>   >
>   > The General       patton442@verizon.net
>   >
>   >
>
>

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:39:02 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: FW: Pix of the car you requested

Olds list- attached were 3 pix of the 1971 CSup for sale.
I borrowed the guy's eddress from HRH's email.
Wonder if he will send me some $
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
>To: walterfernardez007@yahoo.com
>Subject: Pix of the car you requested
>Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 23:55:02 -0500
>
>Good sir;
>
>Attached please find pictures of the car as you requested.
>
>Please let me know if the condition is satisfactory and if so when I can 
>expect the payment.
>
>Payment must be made by certified cashier's check, as you stated you could 
>do. I have no problem cashing a check for a larger amount, can simply wire 
>you the excess funds so that you can begin arranging shipping.
>
>Thanks! I really need this money from the car sale in order to make my 
>house payments right away and not lose my house. So, please act swiftly!
>-----------------------
>Chris Witt

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 14:59:52 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: New items available

Just got a carb core in, 7041251 = 1971 Big Block Olds
Anyone need such a thing? Would like to get $40 for it.

Man came to get a 455 core engine, brought parts. I bought a 1973 short 
block and #8 heads, and a headless 1972 350 core. After he left, I find that 
the 72, which should have had a nodular crank in spite of the c notch in the 
crank, has been hitting #5 piston to head. Grrrr.... yep, #5 journal is 
already 22 undersize, another nodular 350 crank shredded, add to the scrap 
cast iron pile along with the #16 EGR intakes and #13 2-bbl intake he 
donated. So, that leaves the '73 350 being: block still good, damper, timing 
cover 6 or 7 rods... that's about it. The '73 350 crank does not say N on 
it, but it's otherwise a great #2 block to rebuild. Seeking $80 for such a 
thing. $50 for a bare block.

Also found a single A head with the rocker studs still in place, a regular 
BB opil pan, and a Diesel oil filter adapter with remote oil cooler line 
fittings.

I am finally at long last getting my Engine related bolts organized from a 
Box O Bolts to a set of 24 drawers worted by size and application. No more 
digging thru misc. bolts to find Just The Right One. I have been collecting 
all them special Olds fasteners for years. Boltstuds, spacers for PS pump 
mounting, drilled oil gallery plugs, rocker cover wire-routing tabs, etc. 
Have a huge red plastic bin full of them, and several dozen individual 
baggies with like sets of water pump bolts in them. Bad thing about baggies, 
besides they are weak... after a while the grease prevents seeing in there, 
and you don't know WHAT is in each one unless you open it. But, I digress...

Who needs a '71 BB carb core?
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2004 16:50:40 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE

  do i have to be more specific and mention the year range
  LOL. 
  you  got me milt.
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 1:59 PM
  Subject: Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE


  > My drain plugs take a 1/2" drive ratchet.
  > 
  > Milton Schick
  > 1964 442 Cutlass
  > imp@theriver.com
  > 
  > 
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
  > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  > Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 11:06 AM
  > Subject: Re: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE
  > 
  > 
  > >
  > >   must have been wrote by a chevy owner, we use 7/8 drain plugs
  > >   ron
  > >   ----- Original Message -----
  > >   From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
  > >   To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  > >   Sent: Sunday, January 11, 2004 9:29 AM
  > >   Subject: oil change instructions - FUNNY BUT TRUE
  > >
  > >
  > >   > Oil change instructions for women ....
  > >   >
  > >   > 1.    Pull up to Jiffy Lube when the mileage reaches 3000 miles since
  > the
  > >   > last oil
  > >   >        change.
  > >   >
  > >   > 2.    Drink a cup of coffee.  15 minutes later, write a check and
  > leave with
  > >   > a properly maintained vehicle.
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   > Money spent Oil Change $24.00 Coffee $1.00 Total $25.00
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   > ===============================
  > >   >
  > >   > Oil Change instructions for Men
  > >   >
  > >   > 1.    Wait until Saturday, drive to auto parts store and buy a case of
  > oil,
  > >   > filter, kitty litter, hand cleaner and a scented tree, write a check
  > for
  > >   > $50.00.
  > >   >
  > >   > 2.    Stop by 7 - 11 and buy a case of beer, write a check for $20.00,
  > drive
  > >   > home.
  > >   >
  > >   > 3.    Open a beer and drink it.
  > >   >
  > >   > 4.    Jack car up.  Spend 30 minutes looking for jack stands.
  > >   >
  > >   > 5.    Find jack stands under kid's pedal car.  In frustration, open
  > another
  > >   > beer and drink it.
  > >   >
  > >   > 6.    Place drain pan under engine.
  > >   >
  > >   > 7.    Look for 9/16 box end wrench.
  > >   >
  > >   > 8.    Give up and use crescent wrench.
  > >   >
  > >   > 9.    Unscrew drain plug.
  > >   >
  > >   > 10.    Drop drain plug in pan of hot oil: splash hot oil on you in
  > process.
  > >   >
  > >   > 11.    Cuss.
  > >   >
  > >   > 12.    Crawl out from under car to wipe hot oil off of face and arms.
  > >   >
  > >   > 13.    Throw kitty litter on spilled oil.
  > >   >
  > >   > 14.    Have another beer while watching oil drain.
  > >   >
  > >   > 15.    Spend 30 minutes looking for oil filter wrench .
  > >   >
  > >   > 16.    Give up; crawl under car and hammer a screwdriver through oil
  > filter
  > >   > and twist off.
  > >   >
  > >   > 17.    Crawl out from under car with dripping oil filter splashing oil
  > >   > everywhere from holes.
  > >   >
  > >   > 18.    Cleverly hide old oil filter among trash in trash can to avoid
  > >   > environmental
  > >   > penalties.
  > >   >
  > >   > 19.    Drink a beer.
  > >   >
  > >   > 20.    Buddy shows up; finish case of beer with him.  Decide to finish
  > oil
  > >   > change tomorrow so you can go see his new garage door opener.
  > >   >
  > >   > 21.    Sunday: Skip church because "I gotta finish the oil change."
  > Drag pan
  > >   > full of old oil out from underneath car.  Cleverly dump oil in hole in
  > back
  > >   > yard instead of taking it back to Kragen to recycle.
  > >   >
  > >   > 22.    Throw kitty litter on oil spilled during step 18.
  > >   >
  > >   > 23.    Beer?  No, drank it all yesterday.
  > >   >
  > >   > 24.    Walk to 7-11; buy beer.
  > >   >
  > >   > 25.    Install new oil filter making sure to apply a thin coat of oil
  > to
  > >   > gasket surface.
  > >   >
  > >   > 26.    Dump first quart of fresh oil into engine.
  > >   >
  > >   > 27.    Remember drain plug from step 10.
  > >   >
  > >   > 28.    Hurry to find drain plug in drain pan.
  > >   >
  > >   > 29.    Remember that the used oil is buried in a hole in the back
  > yard,
  > >   > along with drain plug.
  > >   >
  > >   > 30.    Drink beer.
  > >   >
  > >   > 31.    Shovel out hole and sift oily mud for drain plug.  Re-shovel
  > oily
  > >   > dirt into hole.  Steal sand from kids sandbox to cleverly cover oily
  > patch
  > >   > of ground and avoid environmental penalties.  Wash drain plug in
  > lawnmower
  > >   > gas.
  > >   >
  > >   > 32.    Discover that first quart of fresh oil is now on the floor.
  > Throw
  > >   > kitty litter on oil spill.
  > >   >
  > >   > 33.    Drink beer.
  > >   >
  > >   > 34.    Crawl under car getting kitty litter into eyes.  Wipe eyes with
  > oily
  > >   > rag used to clean drain plug.  Slip with stupid crescent wrench
  > tightening
  > >   > drain plug and bang knuckles on frame.
  > >   >
  > >   > 35.    Bang head on floorboards in reaction to step 34.
  > >   >
  > >   > 36.    Begin cussing fit.
  > >   >
  > >   > 37.    Throw stupid crescent wrench.
  > >   >
  > >   > 38.    Cuss for additional 10 minutes because wrench hit Miss December
  > >   > (1992).
  > >   >
  > >   > 39.    Beer.
  > >   >
  > >   > 40.    Clean up hands and forehead and bandage as required to stop
  > blood
  > >   > flow.
  > >   >
  > >   > 41.    Beer.
  > >   >
  > >   > 42.    Beer.
  > >   >
  > >   > 43.    Dump in five fresh quarts of oil.
  > >   >
  > >   > 44.    Beer.
  > >   >
  > >   > 45.    Lower car from jack stands.
  > >   >
  > >   > 46.    Accidentally crush remaining case of new motor oil.
  > >   >
  > >   > 47.    Move car back to apply more kitty litter to fresh oil spilled
  > during
  > >   > step 46.
  > >   >
  > >   > 48.    Beer.
  > >   >
  > >   > 49.    Test drive car.
  > >   >
  > >   > 50.    Get pulled over: arrested for driving under the influence.
  > >   >
  > >   > 51.    Car gets impounded.
  > >   >
  > >   > 52.    Call loving wife, make bail.
  > >   >
  > >   > 53.    12 hours later, get car from impound yard.
  > >   >
  > >   > Money spent:
  > >   >
  > >   > Parts $50.00
  > >   > DUI $2500.00
  > >   > Impound fee $75.00
  > >   > Bail $1500.00
  > >   > Beer $40.00
  > >   > Total-- $4165.00    -- But you know the oil change job was done right.
  > >   > PRICELESS !!
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >   > The General       patton442@verizon.net
  > >   >
  > >   >
  > >
  > >
  > 
  > 
  > 
  > 

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