
oldsmobile-digest        Monday, March 1 2004        Volume 01 : Number 4799



Re: More eBay fun-  Question for seller -- Item #2462917579
Re: 3x3"KN Hood Clearances Pics
Re: Brakes redux
Re: Brakes redux
Larry Biasotto's SX is looking fine!
Re: sensors and such: CCC vs EFI
Re: Load Leveling on Silhouette goes nuts
Question for Class Act seller -- Item #2462917579
No more: Question for Class Act seller -- Item #2462917579
Re: Question for Class Act seller -- Item #2462917579
Re: 3x3"KN Pics/knock
Re: Load Leveling on Silhouette goes nuts
Re: Load Leveling on Silhouette goes nuts
Re: 3x3"KN Pics/knock
Re: sensors and such: CCC vs EFI
hubcap needed
Re: Building a 260?  Re: 260 versus 468 - weight
Re: Building a 260?  Re: 260 versus 468 - weight
Re: AIR Pump Belt Adjustment??
I hate AIR also
1979 Seat Belt Cover info wanted
Arizona show
Re: 3x3"KN /Heavy metal
Re: 3x3"KN /Heavy metal
Re: I hate AIR also

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:11:34 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: More eBay fun-  Question for seller -- Item #2462917579

Fred has a point, especially with what hit me in the face on the screen with
the verbal attack from the other party, which wound up on the list.
Unfortunately, I had just returned from Phoenix after attending the funeral
of a 24 year USAF officer. I wasn't in the mood to deal with exactly 25
E-mail viruses which confronted me when I turned on Outlook express. Then,
the other party to this dispute put his comments on the screen, addressed in
such a way that they could have been referring to me, or they could have
been another virus attack, particularly since they were coming out of the
blue. I replied to him **privately** before I realized he had sent his words
to the Olds List. He'll be madder than H*ll at my reply, and I'm not sure I
care, at this point.

However, lets try to keep this dispute off the list from now on. It could
degenerate into a real flame war.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: More eBay fun- Question for seller -- Item #2462917579


> > I feel like I HAD to reply to this one...
> >
> > In my opinion Jeff is one of the NICEST fella in the Olds community!!!
>
> ---------
>
> Jeff or Chris?  My vote is with Chris as the good guy.  Snipped remainders
> below.
>
> Regards,
> Fred
>
>
> > >From: "Jeff" <jsalinardi@comcast.net>
> > >To: <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> > >Subject: Re: Question for seller -- Item #2462917579
> > >Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 08:18:23 -0500
> > >
> > >Stay away from my auctions a__hole.
> > ==============================
> > [edited for family content by CBW]
> > Does anyone have any idea why this "jsalinardi@comcast.net" or "
> > bigblockolds" feller is so ingracious?
> >
> > I cannot imagine what I might have done to bring that on.
>
>

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Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:16:16 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 3x3"KN Hood Clearances Pics

Randy,

That looks absolutely outstanding!


> Using the Silly Putty like plastigauge on top of cleaners i got 1/4"
clearance on rear cleaner and 5/16 on frt cleaner..i think this should be
ok.


Sounds good to me.


> And yes the car is running real strong!


Then there's no more lifter noise? The rocker stand mods worked? The noise
from the engine is gone with the second tear down? Everything's okay now?
Refresh my memory what caused the internal knock, okay?

I saved the pics in my car files.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 01:56:10 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Brakes redux

The '84 equipment is all off of the previous specimen, which is sadly no
longer with us.  The brakes were installed and working GREAT (except for
the absence of the rear prop valve, which was incidentally the cause of the
accident) using everything you see here - except for the splindles and
rotors, I didn't mention that earlier, it's '84 calipers but I couldn't use
'84 rotors on the '77 spindles because the outer bearing is bigger on the
'84 spindles...'77 arms, spindle, and rotors, '84 calipers.

I don't know why that would be a problem, it once again fit together just
fine, except that now I'm starting to wonder how many metric/english
adventures I'm in for...

At 03:29 AM 02/29/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>.
>
>Is that '84 MC new or Yarde-vintage? If from another car, were you able to
>test it before you removed it? Sounds like it's leaking internally.
>
>SteveH
> 

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 06:46:03 -0500
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Brakes redux

I had a nightmarish time swapping in disc brakes to my 442 last 
summer. Had a Power Bleeder set up and everything, but couldn't get 
decent pedal. It turned out to be a bad combination valve. Once that 
was replaced, the system bled easily and I've had good pedal ever 
since.

John
68 442 convt.

>The '84 equipment is all off of the previous specimen, which is sadly no
>longer with us.  The brakes were installed and working GREAT (except for
>the absence of the rear prop valve, which was incidentally the cause of the
>accident) using everything you see here - except for the splindles and
>rotors, I didn't mention that earlier, it's '84 calipers but I couldn't use
>'84 rotors on the '77 spindles because the outer bearing is bigger on the
>'84 spindles...'77 arms, spindle, and rotors, '84 calipers.
>
>I don't know why that would be a problem, it once again fit together just
>fine, except that now I'm starting to wonder how many metric/english
>adventures I'm in for...
>
>At 03:29 AM 02/29/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>>.
>>
>>Is that '84 MC new or Yarde-vintage? If from another car, were you able to
>>test it before you removed it? Sounds like it's leaking internally.
>>
>>SteveH
>>

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 06:54:45 -0500
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Larry Biasotto's SX is looking fine!

Occasional list member Larry Biasotto of Delaware sent me a pic of 
his nearly finished '71 SX ragtop. Unbelievable job he's done - frame 
up first attempt. He deserves to be very proud.

Check out the link below to shots of the whole process.

John
shabby 68 442 convt.


At 5:44 PM -0500 2/27/04, L. A. Biasotto wrote:
>John,
>The moment has almost arrived.  The SX is just about finished.  She 
>goes to the shop for a front end alignment next Monday and then 
>straight to DMV.  The convertible top will be installed once I get 
>her tagged.
>
>I put up a photo album web page with pics.
>
>http://mysite.verizon.net/vze80eus/id1.html

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:31:43 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: sensors and such: CCC vs EFI

> Do EFI and TBI more or less have the same plethora of sensors?

More or less, yes. Throttle body uses MAP, Multiport can be either MAP or
MAF. Sequential multiport also needs a crank position sensor. BTW TBI is
also EFI.

> How about the CCC-equipped cars?  Do they have this intense variety of
stuff?

Not all that intense really. But yes, there's a minimum compliment of
sensors required to control an engine via computer.

> I can't even remember most of them, but the ones that come to mind are:

> Oxygen sensor
Yes, necessary for feedback to control the A/F mixture loop.

>Throttle Position Sensor
Yes, part of the load determining factor.

>Knock Sensor
Not necessary.

>Mass Air Flow Sensor
Depends on the implementation.

>Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor (MAF and MAP don't exist together?)
Generally correct, although I won't swear that some MAF systems don't
sometimes have a MAP or Barometric Presssure sensor as well.

> Air Intake Temperature Sensor
Yep. That's the only one you need to add to an Olds manifold for EFI. Not
needed for CCC, since the carb still has a choke.

> Coolant Temperature Sensor
Yep.

> and probably a plethora of others I can't remember.
RPM sensor, usually done through the ignition module or crank sensor.
Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) is also used to determine TCC lockup and
emissions (EGR) but not strictly required for the EFI stuff.

drc

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:40:44 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Load Leveling on Silhouette goes nuts

> It seems like it is some kind of sensor that is on the
> blink.  I would just remove the line from the manifold
> and let it come back down, at least so it can be
> driven to a garage, but this vehicle has its own
> compressor.

The sensor is mounted on the rear control arm. It controls a relay near the
compressor. Some compressors have a tire valve for manually setting the air
pressure if the compressor fails. You should be able to bleed the air out
with that. If the compressor comes on after 15 seconds of starting the car,
the sensor linkage is probably broken. If it comes on right away, the relay
is probably shorted. You can unplug the relay or unplug the power wire from
relay to compressor to keep the thing from pumping up.

> Any ideas on what this might be and whether it looks
> like a dealer issue would be appreciated.

I got a new relay for mine from NAPA.

drc

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:01:40 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Question for Class Act seller -- Item #2462917579

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:18:15 -0500
From: oldslist@nuthinfancy.com
Subject: RE: More eBay fun-  Question for seller -- Item #2462917579

In my opinion Jeff is one of the NICEST fella in the Olds community!!!
He has gone out of his way numerous time to help me!!! I don't know
exactly what went down between you guys but... in my book Jeff is a
class act, they don't get much better then him!
Just my .02
Regards,
Bob
www.1970-442.com
====================
Well, he musta been drinking the other night, then, when after a simple 
inquiry about his part, he offered only the rudest profane reply I have yet 
to receive from an eBay inquiry. For no apparent reason.

I, too, would like to know exactly who pissed in his Wheaties, but he is not 
inclined to elaborate.

His call. Apparently, he is intent on stealing the Mr. Congeniality 
sarcastically awarded title.

Let's review:
Chris- Hey, what's the part number on that item, cannot read it in the 
photo?
Jeff- stay away from my auctions, a$$hole!

Class act, indeed.
- -----------------------
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:13:15 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: No more: Question for Class Act seller -- Item #2462917579

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 22:58:51 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: More eBay fun-  Question for seller -- Item #2462917579

Everyone, I understand the irritation involved in this matter, but lets keep
it private, off list.

We've already had a potential *flame* start. Lets stop it before it spreads.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com
=============
yeah, good idea
Apparently this feller just had a bad day, to give Mr. Class the benefit of 
the doubt...
let's leave it at that unless HE feels the need to respond.

I mean, if he is THAT upset with me, or anyonel.... that's what your ebay 
"banned bidder" list is for. The guy has 500+ feedbacks, so he's been at it 
a while.
....zzzzziiiiiiiip!
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:17:20 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Question for Class Act seller -- Item #2462917579

At 10:01 AM 2/29/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 18:18:15 -0500
>From: oldslist@nuthinfancy.com
>Subject: RE: More eBay fun-  Question for seller -- Item #2462917579
.........
>Chris- Hey, what's the part number on that item, cannot read it in the 
>photo?
>Jeff- stay away from my auctions, a$$hole!

In any case.... number on the box looks like 15031153 or 15531153, or
possibly the last four digits are 1133, and that particular one was made in
Taiwan as can be seen stamped on the box. It looks like the smaller of the
two Delco oil pressure sensors of that style. There's no Delco "#Dxxxx"
number and the box paint style is the older type, so it was probably
made/bought in the '80s. Has a group number on it but can't read it
clearly, looks like 1.665 or maybe 1.688. Could that be the 80 PSI pressure
sensor?

If that's actually the larger body style sensor, the bidding has already
gotten WAY out of control since a new D1829 one (Delco #14036243, 60 PSI)
from Rock Auto at $22.79   ;o\  ;o\  ;o\

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:31:05 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: Re: 3x3"KN Pics/knock

"Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com> wrote:

>Randy,
>
>Then there's no more lifter noise? The rocker stand mods worked? The noise
>from the engine is gone with the second tear down? Everything's okay now?
>Refresh my memory what caused the internal knock, okay?
>
>I saved the pics in my car files.
>
>Milton Schick
>1964 442 Cutlass
>imp@theriver.com


>"Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com> wrote:

>Randy,
>
>Then there's no more lifter noise? The rocker stand mods worked? The noise
>from the engine is gone with the second tear down? Everything's okay now?
>Refresh my memory what caused the internal knock, okay?
>
>I saved the pics in my car files.
>
>Milton Schick
>1964 442 Cutlass
>imp@theriver.com
>
>
>Hello
No lifter noise at all now...i did not do the rocker stands mod. to make up for cam grind.
The lifter cups were depressed enough when i put her together.
We figured that the center carb was bad from the start last summer and was washing the cyl. walls.
I thought it was piston pin bushings and pulled motor anyway.
Pin bushings was the only thing i missed during the last rebuild,machine shop never reminded me to do bushings either...doh!
The bushings were real worn/oval.
So they got changed,,,more peace of mind.
But i believe the real  problem and knock developed from the center carb(i had block off plates last year on ends carbs)washing the walls of oil and not seating rings ect...i was burning a little blue....now we are not.
After the tri carb came back and was ready to go we noticed the center carb acting funny at start so i pulled it,, back to carb guy who had orig. only done ends and shafts linkage ect.
The center had a gasket that was not correct internally and needle and seat/float level were also not right.
There is a new tach installed now a white face Hastings(suits inter. well),last weekend i was drivin blind as the old sun tach was not responding proper.
Wonder what rpm i was doin last weekend :O
At one point when i took carb guy fer a ride i blew the wipers up!
He looked over at me and said "I feel sorry for him"..i said who?...he said that 57 4 door Buick at the strip ya got yer sights set on.
She sounds so good now!!!
The bracket racer chebbie guys i took for a ride were very surprised/impressed.
I sure cant wait to see what kinda times she will do soon.
I will spend the $ before race day and get at least duals installed(has single ex. now).
Next winter i will build some headers....already got the flanges :)
Everyone is betting on her wieght 58-2 door...i only have a 4 door spec.
Any bets,or facts?
Will put her on a scale first thing at strip soon...40 days or so away!
Good luck!
Drive safe!
Randy(tickled pink)Hermsen
Van.B.C.Can.
>

>
>
>


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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:20:47 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Load Leveling on Silhouette goes nuts

Dave,

Thanks - looks like you've been there before.

Best regards,
Bill

 
> The sensor is mounted on the rear control arm. It
> controls a relay near the
> compressor. Some compressors have a tire valve for
> manually setting the air
> pressure if the compressor fails. You should be able
> to bleed the air out
> with that. If the compressor comes on after 15
> seconds of starting the car,
> the sensor linkage is probably broken. If it comes
> on right away, the relay
> is probably shorted. You can unplug the relay or
> unplug the power wire from
> relay to compressor to keep the thing from pumping
> up.
> 
> drc
> 

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:22:16 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Load Leveling on Silhouette goes nuts

At 11:20 AM 2/29/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>Dave,
>
>Thanks - looks like you've been there before.
>
>Best regards,
>Bill
>
> 
>> The sensor is mounted on the rear control arm.

Actually, the sensor itself is mounted to a bracket on the frame ABOVE the
axle; at least, on the RWD and early-'80s Toronado but perhaps not the
later, smaller FWD vehicles. There's a linkage arm dropping down that
connects with the axle so the sensor measures the distance between the axle
and body to determine whether to turn on the compressor. The sensor is
sealed but it's exposed to the "weather" under the car so it tends to fail
rather often. The linkage rod or its connecting bracket can also break or
rust away.

The connecting cable for the sensor plugs into the sensor then runs back
and up into the trunk floor near the left taillight; check to see that your
rear lights all work properly because if not, you may have a problem with
the cable running to the rear body half which includes the sensor wiring.

There is also an overpressure switch on most, but not all, models, that is
supposed to shut off the compressor to prevent overpressurizing the air
shocks; I've often found that switch to be inoperative.

If you lie down behind the left rear tire and look up at the frame above
the axle, you should be able to see the sensor and the linkage rod; feel
whether the linkage rod is still connected at both ends.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:09:46 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 3x3"KN Pics/knock

> Any bets,or facts?
> Will put her on a scale first thing at strip soon...40 days or so away!


About 5000 pounds.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 00:33:14 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: sensors and such: CCC vs EFI

sory but map n maf are used on many production gm cars since 1994 the lt1 chevy is the first of many
ron
> ftp://ftp.diy-efi.org/pub/gmecm/manuals/1227730/92-7730v8tpi-1.jpg
> and tpi-2, tpi-3, tpi-4...but most of the sensors are listed on the first
> page.
> That might help you out there.Yes, MAP does not coexist with MAF, ever.
> There are also several solenoids,etc that go along with it , like IAC, TCC,
> fuel pump relay...
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "King V" <king_v@mindless.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 10:36 PM
> Subject: sensors and such: CCC vs EFI
> 
> 
> > All,
> >
> > Couple of questions:
> >
> > I know that fuel-injected systems have a number of sensors and such that
> > are required to communicate with the ECM so that the amount of fuel as
> well
> > as spark timing can be adjusted.
> >
> > But....
> >
> > Do EFI and TBI more or less have the same plethora of sensors?
> >
> > How about the CCC-equipped cars?  Do they have this intense variety of
> stuff?
> >
> > I can't even remember most of them, but the ones that come to mind are:
> >
> > Oxygen sensor
> > Throttle Position Sensor
> > Knock Sensor
> > Mass Air Flow Sensor
> > Manifold Absolute Pressure Sensor (MAF and MAP don't exist together?)
> > Air Intake Temperature Sensor
> > Coolant Temperature Sensor
> >
> > and probably a plethora of others I can't remember.
> >
> >
> > Thanks.....
> >
> >
> > - Joe Vahabzadeh
> >
> 

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:32:16 -0500
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: hubcap needed

Hi all
    Once again no luck on the toro list so I thought I'd give you guys a 
try. I lost a hubcap off of a 70 toro GT. Went back to find it and no 
luck. Anyone got one they'd sell? 35 year old hubcaps are not that easy 
to find.
Thanks
John Kelsey
Dayton oHio

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 00:38:19 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Building a 260?  Re: 260 versus 468 - weight

why would anyone want to spend the time and money on the 260.
the mods  probably would kill you in cost.
since 260 was never ment to have a 4 bbl carb
ron
> At 06:01 PM 2/28/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >Ron,
> >If you rebuilt a 260 as a performance engine, would you tell anyone ??
> >
> >At 03:25 PM 2/28/2004 -0500, ron fama wrote:
> >>   never heard of anyone rebuilding a 260.
> >>   ron
> 
> The Lord can do some mighty mysterious things; but that might be beyond
> even Him  ;o\
> 
> SteveH
> 

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 00:39:32 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Building a 260?  Re: 260 versus 468 - weight

if i ever did i would pass it on.but since i loke the 425 and 455 it would never happen
ron
> Ron,
> If you rebuilt a 260 as a performance engine, would you tell anyone ??
> 
> At 03:25 PM 2/28/2004 -0500, ron fama wrote:
> >   never heard of anyone rebuilding a 260.
> >   ron
> 
> Mark Mullins
> Tucson, Az
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 00:42:40 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: AIR Pump Belt Adjustment??

in most cases you dont need it to pass inspection.but  if the inspector is knowledgable it can be failed for tampering 
ron
> >   the electric air pump is only used after start up its timed or shut off
> by coolant temp reaching a
> > certain degree which comes first is not important. ...
> 
> This is why I DETEST AIR.  It does NOTHING to reduce emissions after the
> engine is up to operating temperature, and yet you are stuck with a huge
> amount of plumbing and other junk in the way when you need to service
> anything.  The Olds AIR is also not the best for either design or quality.
> Try getting the fittings from a rusted out AIR manifold out of the head....
> 
> Regards,
> Fred
> 
> 

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 19:56:30 -0500
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: I hate AIR also

snip fred wrote: This is why I DETEST AIR.  It does NOTHING to reduce 
emissions after the
engine is up to operating temperature, and yet you are stuck with a huge
amount of plumbing and other junk in the way when you need to service 
anything.

I agree and that is why as soon as this 80 passes e-check for the last 
time the AIR system is coming off
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:58:20 -0800
From: "Jeff and Sherie Stanish" <stanishj@svpal.org>
Subject: 1979 Seat Belt Cover info wanted

I have a 1979 Hurstolds(Calais) with Camel Tan interior and front buckets.

I am trying to figure out the part number(s) for the plastic cover? (or
assembly) that attaches to the floor and what the seat belt clips into.  The
plastic cover is all worn out and I have found no one that can repair this
type of plastic.

I know the group is 14.875 but don't understand the book terminalology to
fiure out the part(s)

Any ideas????


Jeff

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 18:34:18 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Arizona show

If anyone is interested, pictures of the AZ show are up at

http://public.fotki.com/scotts/olds_club_of_az-1/

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 20:44:46 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: Re: 3x3"KN /Heavy metal

"Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com> wrote:

>> Any bets,or facts?
>> Will put her on a scale first thing at strip soon...40 days or so away!
>
>
>About 5000 pounds.
>
>Milton Schick
>1964 442 Cutlass
>imp@theriver.com
>
>
>
>>Milton
>So you are joining the ranks of those thinking she needs a tug boat to park?..HA!
Dealers book lists...1958
4 door 88 series 4 door-3985 pds.
4 door Super 88 series 4008pds.
4 door 98 Series 4316 pds.
Remember we could have power seats and winders.
I see no spec.in CSM.
Bet she dont wiegh much more then a 68-72 full option A body..4100pds.
I have had enough remarks about how big the 58 is..wait till ya see the times we book!
Proof will be in the pudding :)
Captain Randy.
Van.B.C.Can.




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Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:06:28 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 3x3"KN /Heavy metal

Randy,

> >So you are joining the ranks of those thinking she needs a tug boat to
park?..HA!
> Dealers book lists...1958
> 4 door 88 series 4 door-3985 pds.
> 4 door Super 88 series 4008pds.
> 4 door 98 Series 4316 pds.
> Remember we could have power seats and winders.
> I see no spec.in CSM.
> Bet she dont wiegh much more then a 68-72 full option A body..4100pds.
> I have had enough remarks about how big the 58 is..wait till ya see the
times we book!


Then what you're saying is that in '59, the cars gained a bunch of weight?
My '59 Olds 4-door 98 weighed 4800 after I gutted her. However, with her
tremendous low-end torque in her much modified 394, her 3.90 gears, and her
weight, she moved real fast with no tire spin.

Or wait a minute, is my memory off? Was that 4800 pounds on my '59 stock?
Okay, does anyone have a weight figure for a '59 Olds 98 4-door with AC,
power windows, power antenna, power seat, and every other option?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 07:07:20 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: I hate AIR also

> snip fred wrote: This is why I DETEST AIR.  It does NOTHING to reduce 
> emissions after the
> engine is up to operating temperature,

Untrue. AIR pumps into the cat after warmup to reduce HC's.

drc

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