
oldsmobile-digest     Saturday, January 24 2004     Volume 01 : Number 4753



RE: Por 15
Re: You rock, vigorously
Re: Olds in winder was [Re: 455 crate motor - F/S] 
Barrett Jackson
Non Olds - Caprice parts
anyone recognize this hood ornament? 
Re: Barrett Jackson
Re: anyone recognize this hood ornament? 
Re: Non Olds - Caprice parts
RE: Barrett Jackson Auction
RE: Non Olds - Caprice parts
Ian is COLD in the Great White North
Introducing myself to the list! (LONG) - snipped
Re: anyone recognize this hood ornament? 
Hit the Penguin
Re: Barrett Jackson
Re: Barrett Jackson
anyone looking for 58-64 Olds rear axle?
Cola Cranks Updates?
Re: Barrett Jackson Auction
Re: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)
Re: 64-67 A-body clutch bellcrank frame bracket
Re: Por 15, now Devcon
Re: Por 15
Re: Hit the Penguin
Re: Cola Cranks Updates?
Rear Springs
RE: Hit the Penguin
Re: Por 15
Re: Rear Springs
Re: Por 15, now Devcon
Re: Rear Springs

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:07:20 -0600
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Subject: RE: Por 15

> I wonder whether the flexing of the channel with the windshield
> caused the POR-15 paint to lift off the putty?


**All** of the POR 15 black debonded
from the POR primer and lifted off with the butyl sealing rope. The POR
15
black obviously failed. National wasn't going to install a window over
that,
and I fully agreed. I took the car home and redid the entire window
channels. 

++++++++++++++++++++++++

Milton,
OK, the POR 15 failed in this case - but why?  POR-15 is a tough rubbery
coating - is it possible that something in the butyl rope reacted with
the cured POR 15 and then caused it to fail?
Ian Dixon

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:38:10 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: You rock, vigorously

Chris, I think everybody is having some serious PMS symptoms this
MONTH....ROP has a bitch goin on about 4 door cutlasses, Cutlass us, it just
seems that nobody is happy there. I don't know. This is the first reply I've
posted in a long time. Just read and be entertained. I've checked your stuff
on eVil and it all seems fairly priced. Good luck!
Pat.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <tonwald@ties.k12.mn.us>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:04 PM
Subject: You rock, vigorously


> List:
> For your amusement
> [CAUTION- TACT FREE ZONE- almost took the gloves off for this hoser]
> Background: This feller appointed himself Chief eBay Ad Inspector and
> commenced to tell me how to run my ads.
> Below is his latest, with my reply.
>
> Format:
> >his text fwd'd
> =============     <=  line of ='s to separate
> CW: [my replies]
> Chris
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >From: tonwald@ties.k12.mn.us
> >To: rocketscience442@hotmail.com
> >Subject: Question from eBay Member
> >Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 10:54:19 PST
> >
> >
> >To member:   *the*rocketscientist
> >From member: antonmw
> -----------------------------------------------
> >Well I figured you would just go away if I ignored you, but I guess I
will
> >lower myself to your level one more time to help you out on your pricing.
> =============
> CW: That's one way to look at it I guess. You _think that_ you are well
> above me at my level, huh? OK, that explains a lot.
>
>
> >Okay...a full size 4-speed impala console...nice piece too.  Hmmm  A
> >"Rocket scientist" Would do the math here....Just how many impala's came
> >with consoles....then how many of those were 4-speeds?  Hence your price.
> >How many cutlasses came with consoles....a far bit more. How many are
> >incomplete and busted?  Hence my letter
> ============
> CW: "Nice piece"? Look at the close pix, sir. It's not THAT nice.
> That's THE Rocket Scientist, to you, by the way.
>    Very few Impala's with 4-spd consoles = very few buyers need one.
Double
> edged sword, eh? 3-spd MT cars are rare, that does not make them
_valuable_.
> Think about it.
>   What seems to escape your attention, to this day, is the fact that the
> Olds console was/is PERFECT except for the missing parts, which are
readily
> available new and prefect. Every used one I have ever seen has a broken/
> mangled/ cobbled up lid hinge. Many follks feel their car is worth putting
a
> PERFECT console in.
>    I will have no trouble getting what I want for the Olds console, it'll
> just take some time. As you may not have noticed, eBay is a very dynamic
> environment, with different buyers and items/ sellers every week. When the
> right buyer needs the console, he will pay what it takes. Much like the #6
> heads that recently sold. And the W-31 Harmonic balancer. And the rebuilt
> TH400 x4 or so. And the forged crank, etc., ad infinitum.
>
>
>
> >Rocket science? You be the judge.  You seemed obsessed with my knowledge
> >and I appreciate that.
> =============
> CW: Well, I see it as just having fun by poking fun at you now. Since you
> appointed yourself the Chief Arbiter of All Things eBay, I thought, heck,
> why not run _all_ my auctions past him and get his blessings then? Save
you
> the hassle of having to track down all my ads and find each problem so
that
> you can interrupt your busy "life" to alert me to the "problems" in your
oh
> so tactful manner.
>
>
> >As far as your selling tact?  Well I work with a few Olds
> >enthusiasts....They all go on Ebay....And they all think you are a joke.
> ================
> CW: Yeah, ALL of them, I bet. Sure. Maybe you might consider getting back
on
> your medication, sir. Is that a tactful way to say that you "ain't playing
> with a full deck"?
>
>
>
> The minute they see a sale ending in $...44.20, or $..19.68 or $4.42 etc,
> they as well as me skip over it, or look at it for a good laugh.
> ==============
> CW: Hey, I do not force anyone to bid, or even look at my auctions. In
fact,
> several pinheads are on the banned bidder list, because they are nothing
but
> trouble. Say, YOU are in that club, now, aren't you?! Huh, go fiugure.
> Oooops, lack of tact showing again. :-)  Then again, some folks just don't
> deserve the courtesy of _tactful_ responses.
>   I have a great deal of fun playing with the numbers, on eBay and
> elsewhere. Why NOT throw in a 442 here and there? Hopefully on Chevy parts
> it gets the buyer thinking Olds, thinking RIGHT. :-)
>
>
>
> Now if the consensus is like that among these guys...Just think what it is
> nation wide...Oh wait...just look at those sales ya sent me!  Maybe you
> should change your name from *The* Rocket Scientist" to *The* relister!
> Lots of no bids! :)
> ================
> CW: You are not all that ebay-savvy, are you? It shows, a lot. Pretty much
> every comment from you, and indeed your actions that started this witty
> reparte'... stem from your severe lack of insight to the intricacies of
> ebaying for fun and profit.
>    Many times I do not really WANT to sell an item, I just want the
readers
> to know what ELSE I have on hand. Then we go from there. Besides, I can
> easily re-list with a lower price later. If the readers see fit to buy it
at
> the offered price, so be it. It still boils down to just one thing-
'tain't
> none of your freakin' BIZNESS, now, is it? Especially since you will not
be
> _buying_ anything from me.
>
>
>
> >Your brother is right, Octania......Be fair, sell fair and you will come
> >out ahead in the long run.
> ============
> CW: How's that? What, pray tell, do you consider fair? Would you have me
> sell the perfect console for $50? Puh-lease. Great thing about America- if
> you don't like the price, take your big bag o' money to the next vendor
down
> the line. I am certainly glad that I am not bound to run my show by your
> rules. It seems you imagine your influence to be much greather than it
> actually is- what do they call that? "Delusions of Grandeur" ?  A
recurring
> theme with you.
>
>
> Looks like you got a few friends on ROP too...or is that few friends.
> ===========
> CW: Oh, what a surprise, you frequent that bastion of cleverness.
> here's a few of this week's contributions:
> .......
> 1/24/04, ROP.com:
> Everything I have bought from Chris has been as described. Not a single
> hassle. He was the only one that came through for me on dowel pins for my
> timing cover. Not even GM has them anymore !!
> Thanks Chris....
> The heads look great now !!
> [NOTE- those would be THE #4 heads that got Mr. Trick's panties in a knot
> and caused him to refer to me as "a schmuck", which drew me out of lurk
mode
> to settle that score. Another happy BUYER. Key word- BUY]
> olds403
> +++++++++++++++++++++++
> Just wanted to pass along a good experience. I purchased a couple water
> pumps and a pair of hood hinges from Chris Witt. They arrived safe and
> sound, in a VERY timely fashion and exactly as Chris described via email.
I
> wouldn't hesitate buying from him again. Thanks Chris!!!
> Chris Smetana
> gloryrestoparts@yahoo.com
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++
> and, from the email list:
> Best Buy - Anything (and he's got A LOT of stuff) purchased from Chris
> Witt.  Excellent communication, fair price, superb packaging and parts
> that meet or exceed expectations.  Thanks Chris!
> Tom Bejma
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++
> .
> So, apparently your experience with Chris varies depending on whether you
> are a BUYer or a cheapskate troublemaker with mental problems. Oh, damn,
> where's that can of Hi-tact? :-)
>
>
>
> >I have a life....
> ==============
> CW: Wouldn't guess it by your actions.
>
>
> good one too...You would like my cars too.  All very nice. Wanna taste?  2
> 1970 w-30's, one is a post coupe in the famly since new, unrestored
perfect
> with 59k, the other a totally loaded ragtop...A 65 jetstar 88....factory
> 4-speed..Dad bought new....I have some others such as a 84 hurst, 87 442
> with 20k, a cutlass drag car....and tons of parts car beaters, but thats
> another time...or e-bay sale
> ===========
> CW: Wow, that was GREAT! Please, I hope we can share a few more of your
> fantasies and dreams when we get together at the National and Lansing
> Homecoming shows [which I am sure you frequent in order to show off them
> beauties and sweep all the trophys]! After we have a few drinks, I can
tell
> you about the perfect 1-owner 1965 Camaro that I have tucked away, and the
> 1968 Hurst/Olds convertible with factory tri-power.  Yeah, that's the
> ticket. At least I have actual pix of my treasures:
> .
> http://442.com/parts/wittpartscar.gif
> :-)
>
>
> >So...I hope I helped you out and that you make lots of money selling your
> >crap...Looks like it is all you do.
> ============
> CW: So far, so good, though frankly, your input on the latest auctions was
> less than helpful. Not one figure suggested, nor a correction. I guess I
> finally got it PERFECT to your stringent standards? Whew, what a relief,
now
> I can sleep again. :-)
>    The buyers of the many items that DID sell the last month do not seem
to
> feel that they are getting "crap" for their money... once again we are
> presented with the stark difference between your "reality" where "crap" is
> sold for "too much money" and my reality... where oh let's see now... 894
> individual eBay transactions have been successful and positive
experiences.
> Please don't take the time away from polishing your rod to email each of
> them 894 BUYers and and tell them that I ripped them off with "high priced
> CRAP" !!!  Especailly that guy that got the Manual Trans 455 crank for
> $44.20. I forgot it was MT compatible, thus offered it at super low price.
>
>
> Sometimes getting layed helps release some of those hangups you have...Try
> it.
> >Take care...
> >The Idiot
> ====================
> CW: Good idea, I will take that up with the wife; meanwhile why don't you
go
> ask your boyfriend for the same courtesy. With your fine skills at "fault
> finding in others" and "sticking your nose into others' business", you
will
> make someone a very fine wife someday.
> .
> By the way, you might brush up on how to spell "get laid".
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>
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>

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 10:02:00 -0800 (PST)
From: Frank Fellman <frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Olds in winder was [Re: 455 crate motor - F/S] 

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Randy Geisel <rocket455@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

I have to get pictures of this car for you all to see. Right now it's tucked
away until Spring. Dang...just thinkin' about that car...yo hon, you up for
a roll in the hay tonight?! ;-)

Randy
====================================================
 
Sooooooooo, they'll be at Carlisle, then?  :o)))
 
                                              Phantom455
 



 

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 11:38:04 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Barrett Jackson

Headed to the auction now.  Friend is selling his '71 W30 hardtop, real 
nice correct car, dark green.

Who is Lenny Kravitz??

Joe Varley
     AZ

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:37:10 -0500
From: "Hurst Olds" <hurstolds@planetc.com>
Subject: Non Olds - Caprice parts

Howdy Gang...

Sorry for the non-olds post... but I know there's some others on the list
besides me that run ex-cop cars for their drivers - and I know how hard
parts are getting to be to find.  I just bought a '93 Caprice for parts...
split it with my friend - engine is his, rest of the car is mine.  I'm using
some of the frontend sheetmetal, headlights, grille, etc to repair my
wrecked '91.  The rest of the car I'm going to strip and put the parts in
storage.  So if anyone needs anything let me know in the next few days.  I'm
going to let the EMS come pick up the carcass sometime late next week to use
in their training.  The car has a good complete police package interior in
dark blue - my interior is near perfect so these are all spare parts.  All
glass is good but would probably be too much of a pain to ship.  Trunk lid
has a bent corner but could be used with a little work.  LR door is good all
others are damaged but most could be used with some work.  Doors are manual
window.  All police equipment is of course gone.  Rear axle appears bent
slightly out of whack and 1/4s are both killed.  L tail light is good, right
is not.  Probably have some electrical parts too but my friend is going to
use the computer.  Just if you need anything let me know pretty soon so I
can set it aside.  Any sheet metal or glass from the firewall back is free
for the taking but would probably have to be picked up.  Interior pieces
etc. I'll probably try to recover some of my expense from... but I'll be
reasonable.

Take it easy gang...
Later...
Clayton Pierce,
Johnson City, TN
hurstolds@planetc.com

1969 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe
1979 Hurst/Olds W30 (white/gold)
1979 Cutlass Supreme Coupe
1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe (T-tops)
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Coupe

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:54:04 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: anyone recognize this hood ornament? 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34204&item=2453676521&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWN:IT

anyone know for sure what this is?
Thanks!
- -----------------------
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:54:26 -0600
From: "Brian Ammons" <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Barrett Jackson

Dude.

Lenny Kravitz is a musician.  Black guy, dreads, "dreamy" (or so I've been
told) - his mom was the actress who played the maid on "The Jeffersons".

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe & Gloria Varley" <carcouple@cox.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:38 PM
Subject: Barrett Jackson


> Headed to the auction now.  Friend is selling his '71 W30 hardtop, real
> nice correct car, dark green.
>
> Who is Lenny Kravitz??
>
> Joe Varley
>      AZ
>

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:00:51 EST
From: James244@aol.com
Subject: Re: anyone recognize this hood ornament? 

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Chris,
It looks like the one used on the 73-75 H/O's, but how can you tell for sure?

James
71 442 Drop Top
69 442 W-30 4 spd coupe
69 442 4 spd coupe

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D12 FAMILY=
=3D"SERIF" FACE=3D"Times New Roman" LANG=3D"0">Chris,<BR>
It looks like the one used on the 73-75 H/O's, but how can you tell for sure=
?<BR>
<BR>
James<BR>
71 442 Drop Top<BR>
69 442 W-30 4 spd coupe<BR>
69 442 4 spd coupe</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:17:40 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Non Olds - Caprice parts

left inner fender,93 did not have the lt1 so thats it for me
unless  wheel well molding is in good shape
ron 
> Howdy Gang...
> 
> Sorry for the non-olds post... but I know there's some others on the list
> besides me that run ex-cop cars for their drivers - and I know how hard
> parts are getting to be to find.  I just bought a '93 Caprice for parts...
> split it with my friend - engine is his, rest of the car is mine.  I'm using
> some of the frontend sheetmetal, headlights, grille, etc to repair my
> wrecked '91.  The rest of the car I'm going to strip and put the parts in
> storage.  So if anyone needs anything let me know in the next few days.  I'm
> going to let the EMS come pick up the carcass sometime late next week to use
> in their training.  The car has a good complete police package interior in
> dark blue - my interior is near perfect so these are all spare parts.  All
> glass is good but would probably be too much of a pain to ship.  Trunk lid
> has a bent corner but could be used with a little work.  LR door is good all
> others are damaged but most could be used with some work.  Doors are manual

> window.  All police equipment is of course gone.  Rear axle appears bent
> slightly out of whack and 1/4s are both killed.  L tail light is good, right
> is not.  Probably have some electrical parts too but my friend is going to
> use the computer.  Just if you need anything let me know pretty soon so I
> can set it aside.  Any sheet metal or glass from the firewall back is free
> for the taking but would probably have to be picked up.  Interior pieces
> etc. I'll probably try to recover some of my expense from... but I'll be
> reasonable.
> 
> Take it easy gang...
> Later...
> Clayton Pierce,
> Johnson City, TN
> hurstolds@planetc.com
> 
> 1969 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe
> 1979 Hurst/Olds W30 (white/gold)
> 1979 Cutlass Supreme Coupe
> 1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe (T-tops)
> 1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Coupe
> 

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 12:19:56 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: Barrett Jackson Auction

> Watching the auction on Speed Vision. They just sold a 69 442 W-32
> convertible for $64,000.00 


Even though it's right here in town, ridiculous prices like that are the reason I won't go to the auction.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:24:11 -0600
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Subject: RE: Non Olds - Caprice parts

Clayton,
What would you need for the driver's seat? Need one for my '96 9c1.
Ping me off list please.
Ian

- -----Original Message-----
The car has a good complete police package interior in
dark blue - my interior is near perfect so these are all spare parts.
All
glass is good but would probably be too much of a pain to ship.  Trunk
lid
has a bent corner but could be used with a little work.  Take it easy
gang...
Later...
Clayton Pierce,
Johnson City, TN
hurstolds@planetc.com

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:25:03 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Ian is COLD in the Great White North

Cold?  Yesterday was -45C (around -43 F) with the wind (about -35C
ambient).  That's cold enough to freeze the radials so hard that they
"bump" on the slight flat spot where the car sat overnight.
Cheers,
Ian Dixon
============
oh my god
I will never complain about MI's "cold" again!
- -45 degrees!!!!


I love my Toro in this weather.
======================
Oh, but not in warmer days?!

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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:34:01 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG) - snipped

Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 23:22:39 -0800
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)

Hey everyone - I've posted a couple of questions to the list and I realized
I never introduced myself so I figured I would share my story since you all
seem to know each other and love Oldsmobiles!
- --snip of a GREAT story--
=========================
Wow, that was most excellent. Please consider submitting that to say Journey 
With Olds, the OCA newsletter. Brought a tear to my eye, it did. Keys still 
in his pocket, indeed! That's beautiful.

Now I gotta go look at the pix you referred to...

I could use another story like that every day!
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:36:55 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: anyone recognize this hood ornament? 

chris i have a actual pic of a  h/o ornimate off my 75. the center color of youres is black my h/o was a blueish color
i will dig it out and  e mail you it
ron

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:33:36 -0500
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: Hit the Penguin

Bear with me here on the lack of Olds content.  It's been a long week, now
2:30 Friday afternoon, and I thought I'd share some "I'm done with work for
now" joy:

http://megatron.stonehill.edu/other/hitthepenguin.swf

Quite a fun and addictive little game (you'll need Shockwave flash browser
plugins installed).
Click once (anywhere) on the screen to get ready, once more to swing.

So far my high score is 588.9 and low is 71.3

Enjoy!

 ~ Dan

- -------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:26:38 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Barrett Jackson

He's also shakin with Nicole Kidman! Go Lenny. Finger her guitar!
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Ammons" <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: Barrett Jackson


> Dude.
>
> Lenny Kravitz is a musician.  Black guy, dreads, "dreamy" (or so I've been
> told) - his mom was the actress who played the maid on "The Jeffersons".
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe & Gloria Varley" <carcouple@cox.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 12:38 PM
> Subject: Barrett Jackson
>
>
> > Headed to the auction now.  Friend is selling his '71 W30 hardtop, real
> > nice correct car, dark green.
> >
> > Who is Lenny Kravitz??
> >
> > Joe Varley
> >      AZ
> >
>

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 20:51:45 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Barrett Jackson

>He's also shakin with Nicole Kidman! Go Lenny. Finger her guitar!

For the record, I think she dumped him not too long ago.

Now, can we get back to normal Olds-list topics, such as swapping parts for 
Chevy police cars?  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 13:22:21 -0800 (PST)
From: frank iezzi <mrfiezzi@yahoo.com>
Subject: anyone looking for 58-64 Olds rear axle?

Hello Olds friends:
A friend of mine with a '32 Ford Roadster hot rod has
taken out the Olds rear end (this car was originally
built in the 60's) to put in a Ford rear disc unit.
Anyone looking for such an item? I don't have much
more info than that.

If interested, drop him some e-mail.
Kevin is his name, and located in Columbus OH

mysteryman460@yahoo.com

Thanks,
Frank Iezzi
Columbus OH


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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 15:27:44 -0600
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
Subject: Cola Cranks Updates?

All,
	Has anyone contacted Raul to see whether or not the manufacturing of Oldsmobile forged crankshafts was feasible?
	Just curious as to how this has developed.

Thanx,


Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode)
'68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine)
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:48:32 -0500
From: "Mike Stilwell" <Fleetsuper@msn.com>
Subject: Re: Barrett Jackson Auction

From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
>
> Watching the auction on Speed Vision. They
> just sold a 69 442 W-32 convertible for
> $64,000.00
- ------------------------------

I saw that one too.  It was just celeb power driving that price.

How about the gorgeous 61 Starfire convertible that went for $38,5000.  Now
that will help elevate the prices of big car Olds.  Or then again..

Mike Stilwell  OCA #13273
President - Capitol City Rockets
http://www.bigmikes442.com

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 14:56:44 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Introducing myself to the list! (LONG)

Albert,

Your Dad is like me, and we're probably about the same age (57). I bought my
'64 442, Thunder Lizard, on the Friday after Thanksgiving in 1968. I was her
second owner. The first owner had run the crap out of her, and her odometer
showed 113,000 miles. She was completely modified and first hit the bricks
in the Spring of 1971. By 1975, she had received 3 engines and 4 suspension
systems before I was satisfied. I will keep her and drive her forever.

Milton Schick
1964 Olds 442 Cutlass Holiday Coupe, Thunder Lizard.
1964 Olds Cutlass Holiday Coupe, to be rebuilt, sometime.
1965 Olds F-85 Deluxe 4-door Sedan daily driver, with single speed wipers
and no windshield washer as standard.
1965 Olds Vista Cruiser that needs a lot of work.
1997 Pontiac Trans Sport.
1977 Dodge B200 Sport Van with broken engine, etc.
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:22:33 -0600
From: OLDSmobility <oldsmobility@cableone.net>
Subject: Re: 64-67 A-body clutch bellcrank frame bracket

JOHN ORR wrote:
>   just got done doing mine, it's a lot easier then you might think, I got
> the placement out of the CSM the only tuff part is the inerfender is in the
> way
> to get the welding done, this can be 1 removed, or 2 just pull the
> inerfender out a bit, then clean and paint, use rubber mallet to put the
> inerfender back in place, then clean and paint it if needed.
> john
> 67 cutlass supreme
> 
> 

Thanks guys. I guess I was hoping it could be done somehow without 
having to install the engine. My frame is out and totally stripped down 
and I figured now would be time time to do that. So I just make sure the 
Z-bar is square vertically and horizontally? I guess I can handle that.

Thanks again.

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:26:29 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Por 15, now Devcon

John,

>   Where can I find DevCon?


Consumer grade bubble packaged Devcon epoxies are available at hardware
stores, Home Depot, etc. What I'm talking about is industrial grade Devcon,
available at industrial supply houses. Go to: http://www.devcon.com/ .

Click on maintenance & repair.
Click on rebuild/repair metal - holes, gouges, worn metal.
Click on both Aluminum Putty (F) and Plastic Steel Putty (A).
Aluminum Putty (F) 1 lb. = #10610
Plastic Steel Putty (A) 1 lb. = #10110

Then go back and click on holding fixtures, dies, molds.
There, you can click on Aluminum Liquid (F-2) and Plastic Steel Liquid (B).
Aluminum Liquid (F-2) 1 lb. = #10710
Plastic Steel Liquid (B) 1 lb. = #10210
The putties are on this page, also.

There are all sorts of applications for Devcon industrial epoxies, both
putty and liquid, on cars and engines.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 16:59:07 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Por 15

Ian,

> OK, the POR 15 failed in this case - but why?  POR-15 is a tough rubbery
> coating - is it possible that something in the butyl rope reacted with
> the cured POR 15 and then caused it to fail?


I don't know. I wouldn't think so, because the polyurethane chemistry in the
POR 15 shouldn't react with the butyl. However, the butyl wasn't on the POR
15 for longer than 1-2 minutes before it was pulled off. That shouldn't be
enough time to harm a material that should be chemical resistant. It more
seemed like the POR 15 black didn't want to stick to the POR primer, which
doesn't make any sense. That's what the primer is for. Remember, the butyl
did stick to the black POR 15, but the black POR 15 didn't stick to the POR
primer, as the butyl rope pulled the black off. I was going the
whole-nine-yards with overkill to stop classic GM rear window rust. It
didn't work with the POR 15.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 17:08:14 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: Hit the Penguin

You're right about the addictive.  I had to try to win.. LOL  Best was 
588.6.  (Low was 10 misses in a row)

  Next time you're bored, spank the monkey ( http://www.flamjam.com/spank/ 
)  I got 892 mph!

M


At 02:33 PM 1/23/2004 -0500, Dan wrote:
>Bear with me here on the lack of Olds content.  It's been a long week, now
>2:30 Friday afternoon, and I thought I'd share some "I'm done with work for
>now" joy:
>
>http://megatron.stonehill.edu/other/hitthepenguin.swf
>
>Quite a fun and addictive little game (you'll need Shockwave flash browser
>plugins installed).
>Click once (anywhere) on the screen to get ready, once more to swing.
>
>So far my high score is 588.9 and low is 71.3
>
>Enjoy!
>
>  ~ Dan

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 19:56:45 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Cola Cranks Updates?

I've tried to contact him several times, but he won't return phone calls,
and he appears to never be there. At least, that's the story I get. I guess
I don't care anymore.

A 427-350 or a 484-403 would have been interesting, along with a forged
steel crank for 455, but......

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Reed, Stephen" <sreed@chatsworth.com>
To: "Olds (E-mail)" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:27 PM
Subject: Cola Cranks Updates?


> All,
> Has anyone contacted Raul to see whether or not the manufacturing of
Oldsmobile forged crankshafts was feasible?
> Just curious as to how this has developed.
>
> Thanx,
>
>
> Steve Reed
> '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode)
> '68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine)
> Austin, TX
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com
>
>

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Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2004 21:25:14 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Rear Springs

Milton;

recently you printed a comparison of Moog front springs and their specifications. Could you do the same for rear springs
(some time in the near future - at your leisure) ?

Kevin

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 00:32:10 -0700
From: "Karl Sup" <droldslives@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Hit the Penguin

It had Olds content... on my first swing the penguin went 442 feet!

>Bear with me here on the lack of Olds content.  It's been a long week, now
>2:30 Friday afternoon, and I thought I'd share some "I'm done with work for
>now" joy:

>So far my high score is 588.9 and low is 71.3

I pulled a 586.7... you da man.

Best Regards,
Karl Sup
Mesa, AZ

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 07:42:44 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Por 15

> Just to clarify, according to the POR15 documentation, the top
> coat is only required to protect the primer from UV exposure
> because the primer is not UV stabilized.  If the area being
> protected is not exposed to sunlight (under butyl for instance)
> the top coat is not required.

I think "primer" you speak of is their regular POR-15. Dries hard and glossy
but is UV sensitive. They also have a real primer that's soft and ands like
any other primer, can be used with any topcoat.

> I agree with Milton about being concerned with the bond between
> the top coat and the primer.  The primer dries to such a high
> gloss, it is amazing that anything can stick to it.

Even their own topcoat doesn't stick to POR15 if it's completely dry. You
gotta wait just the right amount of time and coat it while it's tacky.
That's what I dislike about it.

I use Zero Rust instead.
http://www.zerorust.com/

drc

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:28:36 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Rear Springs

At 09:25 PM 01/23/2004 -0800, Kevin wrote:
>Milton;
>
>recently you printed a comparison of Moog front springs and their
specifications. Could you do the same for rear springs
>(some time in the near future - at your leisure) ?
>

Actually, can someone re-send me the comparision of front springs?  Kevin,
if you've still go that email?

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 11:38:29 -0500
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: Por 15, now Devcon

Thanks Milton,
john orr

> John,
> 
> >   Where can I find DevCon?
,
> available at industrial supply houses. Go to: http://www.devcon.com/ .
> 

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Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2004 08:40:50 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Rear Springs

>> 
>> Actually, can someone re-send me the comparision of front springs?  Kevin,
>> if you've still go that email?
>>

> Given this
> information which type spring would be best be recommended for front end
> since I believe I need to gain some height up front?
> Milton stated that MOOG #5382 might gain 1" in ride
> height for Marty's car. Any other recommendations appreciated.


Okay, there are some other front spring choices. I will repeat the other two
for comparison purposes.

MOOG #5400
load height = 11.0"
load = 2167 pounds
load rate = 360 pounds per inch
free height = 17.004"
spring motion distance = 6.004"
6.004 x 360 = 2161.44 pounds

MOOG #5382
load height = 11.0"
load = 2066 pounds
load rate = 360 pounds per inch
free height = 16.724"
spring motion distance = 5.724"
5.724 x 360 = 2060.64 pounds

MOOG #5450 - 442 HD spring with AC
load height = 12.0"
load = 1642 pounds
load rate = 454 pounds per inch
free height = 15.616"
spring motion distance = 3.616"
3.616 x 454 = 1641.664 pounds

MOOG #5536 - 442 HD spring w/o AC
load height = 11.0"
load = 1984 pounds
load rate = 488 pounds per inch
free height = 15.063"
spring motion distance = 4.063"
4.063 x 488 = 1982.744 pounds

MOOG #5374
load height = 11.0"
load = 1957 pounds
load rate = 317 pounds per inch
free height = 17.170"
spring motion distance = 6.170"
6.170 x 317 = 1955.89 pounds

MOOG #5386
load height = 11.0"
load = 2043 pounds
load rate = 336 pounds per inch
free height = 17.077"
spring motion distance = 6.077"
6.077 x 336 = 2041.872 pounds

MOOG #5390
load height = 11.0"
load = 1952 pounds
load rate = 336 pounds per inch
free height = 16.808"
spring motion distance = 5.808"
5.808 x 336 = 1951.488 pounds

MOOG #5392 - typical standard spring w/o AC
load height = 11.0"
load = 1850 pounds
load rate = 266 pounds per inch
free height = 17.952"
spring motion distance = 6.952"
6.952 x 266 = 1849.232 pounds

With the above spring specs, I would guess the 5382 should raise the front
about 1" while the 5400 should raise the front 1.5 - 2". Use your
imagination to picture how the other springs could affect ride height,
cornering, and ride feel. The key is getting a compromise for all 3 that you
can live with, while remembering the cornering can be fixed with a sway bar
and poly bushings.


> The engine, 1969 455, will be pulled and my 72 455 put in after rebuild
> (rebuild another subject later). This 71 442 is not a numbers matched
> original, is a holiday coupe with ram air and my, and Bryan's, intention
is
> to restore it to a good performance 442 looking like a W 30 knowing it
isn't
> an original.


You can build an excellent pavement pounder that can corner with the best of
them, even if the CG winds up being raised a little. There are ways. There
are also 2 schools of thought on how much the suspension should move during
cornering. Also remember that on the street, a suspension that has limited
movement can have nasty surprises when potholes, curbs, and other
interesting items are hit. The more the suspension can move, the less damage
will be caused.

The spring specs given are for one spring. Obviously, for both springs, the
load rate, etc., is doubled. The front of your car only weighs about 2000
pounds. The rest of the total spring load is to control the front end during
cornering and violent maneuvering.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com



 

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