
oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, April 27 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4870



RE: Oh, the Humility...
Re: Oh, the Humility...
Re: Oldsmobile on the floor for last time
Re: Oh, the Humility...
Re: Oh, the Humility...
RE: Laptop in olds
Re: How Not to Climb a Ladder
RE: Oh, the Humility...
Any 5 x 5 bolt pattern rotor fit an F-body spindle?
RE: Oh, the Humility...
Ouch... '70 442 convertible meets immovable object
RE: Laptop in olds
Re: Any 5 x 5 bolt pattern rotor fit an F-body spindle?
Re: engine paint
Re: Olds 455 engine paint
RE: Oh, the Humility...
RE: Oh, the Humility...
RE: Olds 455 engine paint
RE: 72 455 Engine, exhaust manifold paint and fasteners advice 
Last Olds!!!!!
Re: Oh, the Humility...
RE: Oh, the Humility...
Re: 72 455 Engine, exhaust manifold paint and fasteners advice
Re: 330 Olds heads
Re: Oh, the Humility...
RE: drum brake hub
Laptop in olds
Re: Olds 455 engine paint Part II
RE: Car Show Photos
Re: Last Olds!!!!!
RE: Last Olds!!!!!
lifter noise

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 00:27:08 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Oh, the Humility...

For one thing, that car is a total freak show. For another thing, IMO by
1984 it didn't matter much.


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Karl Sup
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 11:14 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Oh, the Humility...

Why, oh why, must people put Chevy engines in perfectly good 1984 Cutlasses?
And they wonder why drugs and alcohol impair reason? :-) Check it out...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=247593839
4&category=6405

If the link doesn't work, it's EBay Item 2475938394

Karl Sup
Mesa, AZ

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 21:28:52 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Oh, the Humility...

The engine is the least that I'd worry about on this car. This is REAL 
funny. It looks like right out of the comic book. Better wear a 150 pound 
gold chain around your neck, getting out of this ride.

And to answer your question why people put chevy 350s into all sorts of 
cars? They are small and they are cheap.

Ask some of the 455 conversion G body guys how they like to change their 
rear spark plugs. :d)

George

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 22:57:17 -0600
From: "Ben Irvin" <birvin@allidaho.com>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile on the floor for last time

 A story aboust the last Oldsmobile and 107 years of automotive history.

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 Oldsmobile on the floor for last time
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 By Rick Popely
 Tribune staff reporter

 February 5, 2004

 Oldsmobile, a fixture at the Chicago Auto Show, shows its wares for the
last time this year as General Motors prepares to pull the plug on its
oldest brand.

 In its glory years, Oldsmobile sold more than 1 million cars annually and
was GM's No. 2 brand behind Chevrolet. The Cutlass Supreme was the
industry's best-selling model in 1981, the last passenger car to claim that
honor.

 Sales fell dramatically starting in the mid-1980s, leading to an overhaul
of the division's lineup and image. The revamp began with the 1995 Aurora
and continued with models such as the Intrigue and Alero, cars aimed at
younger buyers.

 But the new lineup didn't generate enough business, and GM announced in
December 2000 it would phase out the brand. That was three years after Olds
celebrated its 100th anniversary.

 The end comes this year when GM halts production of the three remaining
models. It will stop building the Bravada sport-utility vehicle and
Silhouette minivan probably in March and the Alero by June.

 Despite Oldsmobile's slow death, the brand still has loyalists and topped
the ailing Isuzu in J.D. Power and Associates' 2003 customer retention
study.

 The study asked owners in the market for a new vehicle if they would buy
the same brand. Only 3.5 percent of owners said they would buy another
Isuzu, but 11.7 percent of owners said they would get another Olds.

 "When you've got a company that's over 100 years old, there are a lot of
people who are still loyal to Oldsmobile," said Darwin Clark, the division's
general manager for three years until December 1999 and now GM's vice
president of industry dealer affairs and in charge of terminating franchise
agreements with Oldsmobile dealers.

 Oldsmobile no longer has a general manager and will have a low-key presence
 at the auto show, with no major activities planned at its display.

 Jerry Cizek, president of the Chicago Automobile Dealers Association, the
show sponsor, views Oldsmobile's demise as another example of the auto
industry's evolution.

 "Everything goes around," said Cizek, who sold Oldsmobiles in the 1970s.
"Back in 1958, Chevrolet had 28 percent of the market. Now, General Motors
has 28 percent."


 Copyright (c) 2004, Chicago Tribune

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 04:53:52 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Oh, the Humility...

At 08:14 PM 4/26/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Why, oh why, must people put Chevy engines in perfectly good 1984 Cutlasses?

You dare call THAT abomination a "perfectly good" Cutlass???  That po
thang's ruined for all time!!!!  ;o(((((((((((((((((

SteveH

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Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 23:18:08 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Oh, the Humility...

But Karl, it's also got a Monte Carlo front and is somewhat "garish." Those
wheels and fenderwells are stomach churning.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Karl Sup" <droldslives@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 8:14 PM
Subject: Oh, the Humility...


> Why, oh why, must people put Chevy engines in perfectly good 1984
Cutlasses?
> And they wonder why drugs and alcohol impair reason? :-) Check it out...
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=247593839
4&category=6405
>
> If the link doesn't work, it's EBay Item 2475938394
>
> Karl Sup
> Mesa, AZ
>
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 06:21:04 -0700
From: "67Oldz" <67@oldsmobile.net>
Subject: RE: Laptop in olds

Right track but no.
I have already looked at the steering wheel contraption along with other
units like what police xars use... I am talking about some sort of totally
custom solution with like a real smooth rollout or popout sliding mechanism
somewhere under the vast dash of my 67 cutlass.... Something completely
hidden when not in use and fully functional when in use.

  

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Andrew C. Green
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 6:47 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: Laptop in olds

>Has anyone here fabricated any kind of tray or "laptop desk" for their 
>olds?
>Maybe some sort of slide out under dashor something?
>I am looking for ideas.

I think what you're looking for actually exists already as a commercial
product: a clip-on thing that attaches to your steering wheel to support a
laptop.

Presumably you are _not_ driving at the time...  :-)

I can't recall the details now, but I saw it featured, if that is the right
word, as one of columnist Dave Barry's Worst Christmas Gift Ideas of 2003,
if I remember right. If no one's found the article I'm thinking of by
tomorrow, I'll see if I can do some more Googling for it...

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:01:11 EDT
From: Plaindrew@aol.com
Subject: Re: How Not to Climb a Ladder

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> What I hadn't noticed as I worked my way down the side of the garage was 
> that I was getting closer and closer to the suspended ends of the overhead 
> door tracks, which end in mid-air about three feet down from the ceiling, 
> suspended by large and very immovable steel brackets, one of which yours 
> truly attempted to move anyway, using the side of his head while racing up 
> the stepladder.


Andy,

Those tracks are cumbersome to replace.  You're better off respecting them 
and using your head for other purposes!  ;-)

Glad you're ok.
- -- 
Drew Senko
'71 Cutlass Supreme convertible
http://members.aol.com/drewinva/olds

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 07:08:55 -0700
From: "Karl Sup" <droldslives@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Oh, the Humility...

In case anyone had any doubts... my tongue is so far in cheek that it's 
protruding out. ;-)
This is what happens when Pimp My Ride meets Overhaulin'.

>Why, oh why, must people put Chevy engines in perfectly good 1984 
>Cutlasses?

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 09:27:20 -0500
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Subject: Any 5 x 5 bolt pattern rotor fit an F-body spindle?

List,

I want to convert my 4.75" x 5 wheel bolt pattern on my oldstruck hot
rod to that of a 5" x 5, as a matter of convenience.  The front spindles
in question are that of a 1970-1976 Camaro.  Are there any BOP GM rotors
that will swap over?  Aftermarket?  Names of car models and years will
be very helpful.  Chris W, Greg, Fred N, Milton, SteveH, Dave cullen,
Andy, The General, gerow, anyone know? Many thanks - I'm on the digest
now, so please copy me directly (idixon@sbrc.ca).   

Cheers,
Ian

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:44:24 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Oh, the Humility...

>Why, oh why, must people put Chevy engines in perfectly good 1984 
>Cutlasses?
>And they wonder why drugs and alcohol impair reason? :-) Check it out...
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2475938394&category=6405

*boggle*

I prefer to think of it as, "Somewhere out there is an Olds engine that was 
rescued from an automotive embarassment..."

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:51:22 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Ouch... '70 442 convertible meets immovable object

As I was riding the train to work this morning, I happened to look out the 
window as we were passing Napleton Lincoln-Mercury in... I don't know, Park 
Ridge (IL) or wherever it is (the northwest side of Chicago), and parked in 
back with the employee cars was what appeared to be (in my three-second 
glimpse as we zoomed by) a 1970 442 convertible, very nice dark red color 
with black top, apparently fully restored, that had been punched hard in the 
front, perhaps by a telephone pole or subway viaduct. I'm wondering if it's 
anyone from our Illinois group...?

It looks _possibly_ repairable by someone who's willing to do a total 
rebuild on the front end, especially since it looks like it just got out of 
a recent complete restoration otherwise...  :-(

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:54:38 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Laptop in olds

>I have already looked at the steering wheel contraption along with other
>units like what police xars use... I am talking about some sort of totally
>custom solution with like a real smooth rollout or popout sliding mechanism
>somewhere under the vast dash of my 67 cutlass.... Something completely
>hidden when not in use and fully functional when in use.

Okay, why don't you check out the home remodeling stores, especially in the 
kitchen cabinet accessories? It sounds like you're in need of one of those 
undercabinet, slide-out (or fold-out) cookbook holders, since you need 
something that will support a largish, wide flat object like a cookbook or 
laptop PC. If you've got the square footage to accommodate it under the 
dash, maybe that's a possibility.

There are also under-desk slide-out keyboard holders for home offices, but 
I'm not sure there would be enough travel in either direction to work in a 
car.

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 12:22:40 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Any 5 x 5 bolt pattern rotor fit an F-body spindle?

In a message dated 4/27/04 9:30:59 AM Central Daylight Time, IDixon@sbrc.ca 
writes:
- -- Are there any BOP GM rotors that will swap over?  Aftermarket? --

Ian/List,

I checked on Coleman Racing's (www.colemanracing.com) site -- they sell many 
different hub and rotor combinations.  Here's what I found:

They sell a steel "Camaro Hub" that is a direct replacement for "mid-70's" 
Camaros.  This allows you to pick and choose your rotor (they list a rotor on 
the page as well) and they sell many different rotors.  They all come with 5/8" 
coarse or fine threaded studs (I never use coarse threaded studs, they loosen 
too easily) in 5X4&3/4 or 5X5 for $185.80 each, hub only.

The rotor they list with the hub (1" thick X 11") lists for $69.00

Coleman also sells many other suspension parts that could possibly be 
applicable to street-driven cars, although they explicitly state that these products 
are for off-road use only -- probably insurance liabilities require that.

I have a lot of Coleman parts on Grace that are just waiting for the chance 
to run around the road courses once she's finished.  Just takes those cubic 
dollars that are in short supply 'round here.......

Take Care,
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:07:42 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geo <geogeethree@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: engine paint

For the heck of it, i bought a can of Martin Senour
Olds Blue #638 paint from NAPA last week and tried it
out.  I don't know if you all are referring to an
older version, but this one is not even close; it's
too light.  In fact, when my engine was rebuilt in the
early '90s, the rebuilder had used the NAPA Olds blue
and it was the same incorrect lighter blue metallic as
what i just sprayed.  

Geo 
'72 442



> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 15:55:31 -0700
> From: "Karl Sup" <droldslives@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: engine paint

> Oddly enough, I just got back from Napa looking for
> 638. I bought 1 can 
> 3 
> weeks ago, they said other stores had it and they'd
> transfer it in. 
> When I 
> went there 10 days ago, they said the stores did not
> have it in 
> inventory, 
> but the DC in LA had them. So they ordered it.

Today, they said that all Napa paint is switching to
Duplicolor only, 
and 
that Olds Blue (638) was not going to be made. So
apparently, it's 
disappearing from shelves without restock.

BUY NOW.

Karl Sup
Mesa, AZ



	
		
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:29:57 -0400
From: Michael McDonald <McDonald_M@72ho.com>
Subject: Re: Olds 455 engine paint

On Monday, April 26th Mark wrote:

>their parts book shows it to be Ford gray primer.  When I went to the
>warehouse, I asked for the 638.  He goes Ford primer gray, I said sure.
>Just bring a case of 638.  When he brought it up front, he says, (uhh its
>Olds Blue).  I go yep, thats what I want.  Did not want to argue with you.
>I just wanted the part number of 638.  So he scratched his head and took my
>cash.
>regards
>WMACHINES

Mark,

How many cans does it usually take to paint one 455 engine including the cast 
iron intake manifold? How many cans in a case? 

Thanks,
Mike McDonald
McDonald_M@72ho.com

1972 Hurst/Olds sunroof coupe
    "as seen on Speed TV"
   The American Musclecar    
            or
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:48:08 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: RE: Oh, the Humility...

At Tuesday, 27 April 2004, you wrote:

>>Why, oh why, must people put Chevy engines in perfectly 
>>good 1984 Cutlasses?
>>And they wonder why drugs and alcohol impair reason? :-) 
>>Check it out...
>>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2475938394&category=6405
>
>*boggle*
>
>I prefer to think of it as, "Somewhere out there is an Olds 
>engine that was rescued from an automotive embarassment..."
>
>-- Andy

More likely, it originally had a 231 B*ick V6 but even so and in 
consideration of what COULD have happened to it, we can perhaps afford 
to be somewhat altruistic today and hope even the B*ick engine was 
spared...  ;o)))))))

SteveH



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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:55:52 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Oh, the Humility...

Now here's something that requires humility...

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:08:47 -0500
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: RE: Olds 455 engine paint

I just painted my '65 400 copper/bronze.  The engine was painted the
incorrect Olds Gold.  I had only bought two cans (custom mixed ppg) and wish
I had bought three.  I left the oil pan and underside of the block pretty
thin and layed it on thick (about 3 coats) on the manifold, heads and other
visible items.  I would think if you were starting with a fairly consistent
color undercoat it would take less than a inconsistent colored surface.  I
mainly had to use more where there were stains which showed through.


Eric

snip
________

How many cans does it usually take to paint one 455 engine including the
cast
iron intake manifold? How many cans in a case?

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 11:19:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: 72 455 Engine, exhaust manifold paint and fasteners advice 

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Get your engine paint from Napa, olds blue.
I second the recommendation for eastwoods, manifold paint.  Blast the 
manifolds and wipe them down.  Apply the paint with the sponge brush 
provide.  Don't waste your time with anything else.
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not that I want to start an argument, but I'd recommend ceramic coating the W/Z manifolds factory cast gray.  I was going to paint my manifolds because I thought ceramic coating was going to be a little too much.  Well, from Ram Air Restoration Enterprises (RARE) north of Chicago, my small block manifolds will cost roughly $150 to get this done.  And since I'm close enough, I'm planning on dropping them off at their warehouse.  Since the W/Z are bigger I'd guess it would cost $200-$250, but don't quote me on that.  Ceramic coating has the added benefit of heat transfer.  Not to mention that coating ain't coming off.  If it were my 72 H/O sunroof car, then I would ceramic coat them the factory cast gray color, no question.  just my 2 cents.
RARE can be reached at 847-265-9807 or ramairrestoration@earthlink.net
 
Chris Smetana
grp442@yahoo.com
 
1969 W-31  engine currently being assembled
1970 F-85  SSII currently being blasted and painted for installation
1969 442 parts car   currently still sitting
1970 F-85 parts car  currently still sitting in Ohio
plus a whole mess of parts for sale


		
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<DIV><BR>Get your engine paint from Napa, olds blue.<BR>I second the recommendation for eastwoods, manifold paint.&nbsp; Blast the <BR>manifolds and wipe them down.&nbsp; Apply the paint with the sponge brush <BR>provide.&nbsp; Don't waste your time with anything else.</DIV>
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<DIV>not that I want to start an argument, but I'd recommend ceramic coating the W/Z manifolds factory cast gray.&nbsp; I was going to paint my manifolds because I thought ceramic coating was going to be a little too much.&nbsp; Well, from Ram Air Restoration Enterprises (RARE) north of Chicago,&nbsp;my small block manifolds will cost roughly $150 to get this done.&nbsp; And since I'm close enough,&nbsp;I'm planning on dropping them off at their warehouse.&nbsp; Since the W/Z are bigger I'd guess it would cost $200-$250, but don't quote me on that.&nbsp; Ceramic coating has the added benefit of heat transfer.&nbsp; Not to mention that coating ain't coming off.&nbsp; If it were my 72 H/O sunroof car, then I would ceramic coat them the factory cast gray color, no question.&nbsp; just my 2 cents.</DIV>
<DIV>RARE can be reached at 847-265-9807 or <A href="mailto:ramairrestoration@earthlink.net">ramairrestoration@earthlink.net</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Chris Smetana</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:grp442@yahoo.com">grp442@yahoo.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1969 W-31&nbsp; engine currently being assembled</DIV>
<DIV>1970 F-85&nbsp; SSII currently being blasted and painted for installation</DIV>
<DIV>1969 442 parts car&nbsp;&nbsp; currently still sitting</DIV>
<DIV>1970 F-85 parts car&nbsp; currently still sitting in Ohio</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 13:07:53 -0500
From: ilo@kwom.com
Subject: Last Olds!!!!!

Last Olds will a Alero, being made this Thursday. We should
have a moment of silence on thursday. Sad day! 

http://www.usatoday.com/money/autos/2004-04-27-last-olds_x.htm

James Aiello
70 442
74 98
68 GTO

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:26:42 -0400
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: Oh, the Humility...

hey john,
  I am thinking you have way too much time on your hands....  :-))))

 john cutlass supreme 67

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:33:54 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Oh, the Humility...

Quite the opposite, I assure you. A friend sent it to me. I just passed it
along. It seemed to fit in w/ the topic of humility.


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From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of JOHN ORR
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 2:27 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Oh, the Humility...

hey john,
  I am thinking you have way too much time on your hands....  :-))))

 john cutlass supreme 67

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:38:31 EDT
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 455 Engine, exhaust manifold paint and fasteners advice

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In a message dated 4/27/2004 1:23:08 PM Central Standard Time, 
grp442@yahoo.com writes:
Ceramic coating has the added benefit of heat transfer
Do they coat the inside of the manifolds as well? If so, there would be a 
benefit in better flow. Jet Hot Coatings does the inside, but they are a little 
pricey. Depends on how flush you're feeling, I suppose.

Jon Wessel

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:29:26 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: 330 Olds heads

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Hi Guys,
       I have a set of Olds heads, number 4's.  What does the number stamped 
on the front mean?  It is: W531300G.  Thanks for any help you can give on this.
Steve D

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:37:06 -0700
From: Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.us>
Subject: Re: Oh, the Humility...

On Mon, Apr 26, 2004 at 08:14:10PM -0700, Karl Sup wrote:
> Why, oh why, must people put Chevy engines in perfectly good 1984 Cutlasses?

It's not just the engine that came out of a Chevy...the front clip is off a
Monte Carlo.  The wheels and paint look like ass, too (even worse than the
22" wheels from the "rollin' in my Cutty" thread a while back).  It
probably has more ground clearance than an AMC Eagle, with those wheels on
it. :-|

  _/_  Scott Alfter (scott@alfter.us)
 / v \ '77 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
(IIGS( http://alfter.us/            Top-posting!
 \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/laden            >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:03:05 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: drum brake hub

Except that I don't consider the 11" factory brakes sufficient. Now, it 
may be a matter of brake booster or master cylinder on mine, but both 
of those are new-ish, and I still don't like how it (doesn't) stop(s). 
My wife's Astro van stops much better, with a similar weight, and the 
same sort of setup, except that the van has a hydroboost booster. I 
haven't measured the rotors on the van, but I know that they're the 
same as the similar-year pickups. Both the van and my Cutlass have 
parts-store semi-metallic pads. Should be the same part number, in 
fact, since pretty much everything with single-piston calipers and 
rear-wheel-drive used the same pads since the late 60s. ABS doesn't 
come into it most of the time - I'm talking about general stopping, not 
panics.
Now, neither of them compares to my '79 RX-7 with later, bigger GSL-SE 
rotors and Porterfield R4S autocross/light track use pads. It STOPS. 
'Course, those pads will cover the wheels in black dust in a few days, 
too, and I have no idea how hard they are on the rotors...
The only major component I have left for my big brake/tall spindle 
install is the upper control arms - still saving for those. Already got 
the spindles cleaned and painted, and new bling-bling zinc-washed 
drilled-and-slotted rotors. Just need those control arms, bearings and 
seals, lower ball joints, tie-rod ends, and I think I'll go with EBC 
Green Stuff pads. Oh, I suppose I should put new bushings in the lower 
control arms, too, while I'm effectively rebuilding the entire front 
end anyway...
Sheesh. All the little bits are going to cost more than the major items!

Then, on to the rear discs! :)

krw
On Apr 25, 2004, at 9:40 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2004 00:01:22 -0700
> From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: RE: drum brake hub
>
> John:
>
> I hear you. Remember, no matter what car craft magazine tells you, 
> these
> cars are NOT the car of choice if you want to build a car for 
> autocross or
> grand prix style racing. And for all driving I do, and the cutlass is 
> my
> daily driver in the summer, stock front disks are all you need. I'd go 
> for
> that now, keep dreamin' for the rest.
>
> It is a matter of safety. If you run out of luck with the drums, you 
> may
> not even have a car to put your big brakes onto. :)
>
> George
> 71 c/s ragtop
> 71 442
> both with factory pwr. disks
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:02:27 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Laptop in olds

Slides are used in rack mount electronic equipment, but 
they tend to be expensive.  Bruce Roe

27 Apr 2004  "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com> writes:
> > I am talking about some sort of totally
> >custom solution with like a real smooth rollout or popout sliding 
> >mechanism somewhere under the vast dash of my 67 cutlass..
> >Something completely hidden when not in use and fully 
> >functional when in use.
> 

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 17:51:52 -0400
From: "w-machines" <w-machines@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Olds 455 engine paint Part II

2 cans to paint engine. I to paint manifold, 12 cans to a case.

Also here is the skinny on the Martin Senour paint that Napa sells.  I went
to the Napa Auto Parts Warehouse here in the Detroit area.  Quote from front
office.  Napa is not discontinuing their Martin Senour line.  It is their
main paint product.  Dupli-color will be sold in cans only and as touch up.
The Napa warehouse mixes auto paints like any Dupont or PPG paint store
does.  So dont rush to buy every 638 Olds blue paint.  Its not going
anywhere.  Retail price at the warehouse for 1 can of spray paint is 3.59 +
tax (6%)
regards
WMACHINES
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael McDonald" <McDonald_M@72ho.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: Olds 455 engine paint


> On Monday, April 26th Mark wrote:
>
> >their parts book shows it to be Ford gray primer.  When I went to the
> >warehouse, I asked for the 638.  He goes Ford primer gray, I said sure.
> >Just bring a case of 638.  When he brought it up front, he says, (uhh its
> >Olds Blue).  I go yep, thats what I want.  Did not want to argue with
you.
> >I just wanted the part number of 638.  So he scratched his head and took
my
> >cash.
> >regards
> >WMACHINES
>
> Mark,
>
> How many cans does it usually take to paint one 455 engine including the
cast
> iron intake manifold? How many cans in a case?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike McDonald
> McDonald_M@72ho.com
>
> 1972 Hurst/Olds sunroof coupe
>     "as seen on Speed TV"
>    The American Musclecar
>             or
>         www.72ho.com
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 19:57:37 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: Car Show Photos

Thanks, Doug

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Doug Newman
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2004 1:40 PM
> To: 'Classic Olds List'
> Subject: Car Show Photos
>
>
> Hi folks,
>
> This past Saturday, (4/17) I took my '87 442 to a car show up in Amory,
> Mississippi in conjunction with their 26th annual Railroad Festival.
> Not a cloud in the sky, and the high temp only reached 81º.  They had
> 231 registered entries in 49 classes at the event for their biggest
> turnout ever.  (Cars, trucks, bikes, tractors, you name it.)
>
> Since there were so many cars packed in tightly in a small area, I
> couldn't take many photos.  I *did* take a handful of some of the
> interesting rides that I could get a clear view of.  The link is
> http://newmand.oldsgmail.com/carshow4.htm
>
> Thanks to Mark Tupper for posting that page, too.  :-)
>
> Later,
>
>
> Doug Newman                  1987 442              OCA # 30311
> Columbus, MS
>
> http://store.oldsgmail.com                             The Store
> http://newmand.oldsgmail.com                       My Home Page
>
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:28:55 -0400
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: Last Olds!!!!!

I'm in the Lansing area and they are running some articles about that end of
Oldsmobile...I'm planning on buying the paper the next few days to keep
those articles.

I'm sure if anyone wanted to read them they would be at www.lsj.com
But not real sure as I havent tried yet to see if they are online.

It's a very sad week.....but am glad I have a piece of the history...in more
ways than one!

Tami

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:42:24 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Last Olds!!!!!

Anybody else notice how suddenly a few of the Nissan cars have a "tooth" in
the center of the grill?

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Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:47:11 EDT
From: BPF920@aol.com
Subject: lifter noise

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I have a problem. I have a 1950 Olds  V8. Since my last oil change it has 
developed a lifter noise. Is there an oil additive or something that will cure 
this problem short of pulling the engine down.

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