
oldsmobile-digest        Friday, April 2 2004        Volume 01 : Number 4842



Re: BMW
Re: More Dyno Stuff
Eastwood Unique Auto Tools and Supplies
Re: More Dyno Stuff
Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
bronze engine paint
RE: longest owned G-Olds
Wanted to buy - 1970 Cutlass/442
Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
RE: Fire extinguishers
Re: More Dyno Stuff
Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
RE: Price of parts... Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
Re: longest owned G-Olds
Re: Fire extinguishers
Re: More Dyno Stuff
Re: bronze engine paint
Re: Fire extinguishers
RE: Lemon Laws [was: Dealing with Generous Motors]
Re: Fire extinguishers
Re: Price of parts... Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
Re: Fire extinguishers
Speaking Of Parts (Was Re: Price of parts...)
Re: Fire extinguishers
Re: Price of parts... Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
Re: More Dyno Stuff
Re: Speaking Of Parts (Was Re: Price of parts...)
Re: Fire extinguishers
Re: More Dyno Stuff
2003 Olds Nationals
Re: 2003 Olds Nationals
RE: 2003 Olds Nationals
Re: 2003 Olds Nationals
Re: 2003 Olds Nationals
Re: More Dyno Stuff
Re: 2003 Olds Nationals
Re: 2003 Olds Nationals
air filter
Re: More Dyno Stuff
Re: Fire extinguishers

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:42:25 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: BMW

buy yourself a 745... could be big enough even for you :-)
BMW are greate cars and having enough money I would definitively drive a
540, called the bayerishe dragster.

Matt
Don wrote: > I have one, and if I ever get rid of it for anything close to
decent
> money, I will NEVER have another one.  Decent enough car, but way too
> small for me.....
>

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 06:32:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Geo <geogeethree@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: More Dyno Stuff

I've seen the '72 NET ratings interpreted so many
different ways.  I'm going by memory, but i'm pretty
certain that my old '70-'82 Cutlass Chilton manual
states '72 NET ratings as being measured at the rear
wheels with engine installed and accessories running. 
I don't waste my time explaining to someone how much
horsepower my car "might" have.  Recently, my
girlfriend's son asked me how much horsepower my '72
had since it was rebuilt last summer, so i just took
him for a "spin" and let him decide.  He loved it, by
the way.

Geo
'72 442


>>> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:43:35 -0500
>>> From: "W-Machines" <W-Machines@comcast.net>
>>> Subject: Re: More Dyno Stuff

>>> Actually the net ratings in 1972 were taken at the
rear of the 
transmission.
Not on the rearend.  Gross is taken at the flywheel. 
Thats why you 
have to
be specific with hp ratings.
regards
WMACHINES


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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:01:45 -0500
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Eastwood Unique Auto Tools and Supplies

I was doing some surfing around and came across this web site...some of you
may know about it already but for those that dont...here it is....You may
have to copy and paste in your browser.

I checked it out and it has alot of tools for taking trim and such off among
so many others things!!

http://www.eastwood.com/

Tami

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 06:57:28 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: More Dyno Stuff

> I don't waste my time explaining to someone how much
> horsepower my car "might" have.

Likewise. It's all a bunch of BS if you haven't taken the time to effectively put it to the ground.

I tend to concentrate on lower horsepower numbers with high torque ratings that keep the engine within a realistic RPM
range. Then I take the time to make sure the chassis is responding correctly. Once launch is consistent I learn where
the car needs to shift in each gear (oddly, allot of guys still don't understand the benefit of shifting at a lower
rpm -  instead of redlining every shift).

If we got to comparing HP numbers, the lower HP rating doesn't sound impressive, but....me and my lower HP vehicle will
wait for you at the end of the track.

Kevin

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 10:18:30 -0500
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

At 06:45 PM 03/31/2004 -0800, Bill wrote:
>Just got off the phone with my GM customer care rep
>(what an oxymoron!) who told me to stick it.  They'll
>consider my file closed until such time as the HVAC
>goes back into failure mode and I take the car back to
>a GM dealer and they can again verify that it is
>indeed malfunctioning.
<rest of story snipped>

Well, frankly, I think this is an unacceptable response, but I'm guessing
they're hoping the problem will be unpredictable enough that they can stall
you until your warranty ends.

In any case, I guess the only thing you really CAN do is wait until it
happens again, then take the car right in while it's happening.  Don't shut
it off, make them come out and notice the problem, and make them document
that this is the second time you've come in.

Someone else brought up the lemon-law issue, you might want to check into
how that works.  Isn't it a sort of a deal where they only get three chances?

Or perhaps, as suggested, try another dealer.  Also make sure that, if
there's a place in GM to complain about this specific dealership, to do so,
as well as about the GM customer (don't) care rep.

There's no reason that the "experts" who should know their own product
can't fix what they realize is an actual problem.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:32:43 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: bronze engine paint

Hey List,

        The handful of 67' 400s that I have seen were
painted bronze of course, but it had a hint of orange to it.
The Fusick paint which I picked up is rather dark like 
a dirty penny.

        Any comments ???

The General

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:48:24 -0500
From: "James Savnik" <j.savnik@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: RE: longest owned G-Olds

Original Owner
I orderd my 1984 Cutlass Supreme Brougham on May 27 of 1984, and I picked it
up from the dealer on August 5, 1984..
Going on 20 Years

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:09:58 -0500
From: "David Popadic" <davepopadic@core.com>
Subject: Wanted to buy - 1970 Cutlass/442

I have a friend looking to buy (cash in hand) a 1970 Cutlass/442.
Looking for a S body style and not a supreme or convertible.
Must be in good running order or better, no major work needed.
He's located in S.E. Wisconsin, but willing to make a drive for 
the right car (nothing more than a day or so).

please email me at davepopadic@yahoo.com if you know of one.

Thanks,
Dave

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:13:19 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

(Getting caught up at last after a day off...)

>Someone else brought up the lemon-law issue, you might want to check into
>how that works.  Isn't it a sort of a deal where they only get three 
>chances?

I suspect they would have to be safety-related problems that are acting 
unresolvable to be counted under the Lemon Law, and a defective HVAC 
controller probably doesn't fall into that category; e.g. failure to keep 
the windshield from fogging up may be a bit of a stretch as far as 
"safety-related" items go.

>Or perhaps, as suggested, try another dealer.  Also make sure that, if
>there's a place in GM to complain about this specific dealership, to do so,
>as well as about the GM customer (don't) care rep.

Yes, and in particular, document this mess in writing wherever possible. 
e.g. Document your conversation with the loony Customer Care rep in a letter 
to your Zone office, as well as the results of each unsuccessful visit. 
You'll need this paper trail in case the whole thing winds up in Small 
Claims Court.

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:28:48 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Fire extinguishers

>Yeah, but those extinguishers can go flat after a while, so you
>have to keep paying to get them recharged, or even worse, buy new
>ones.

(April Fools Day duly noted... :-)

As one who's had the honor of _actually_ putting out a flaming Oldsmobile 
(yes, the old posting about the adventure at the Rock 'n' Roll McDonald's 
:-), I can tell you that Size Matters; get the largest one you can 
comfortably deal with Re: carrying or storage. In my experience I have not 
seen any leak down over time, but of course you'll want to eyeball that 
pressure gauge every now and then to be sure.

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:26:36 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: More Dyno Stuff

After I stopped dreaming about a 540 BMW back I went to the 468ci and all
the talk about the torque and power made me wonder if my cam is not too big
for a good torque down the rpms...
it is a clone of the Ed Performer ( at usd 49,45 ! ), say 214/224 ( 280/290
adv ) and .472/.496 with 112 deg center -  with a rather slow ramps. Engle
cams has the ramps  much steeper....
CR will be aout 10:1, small headers and open double 2 1/2 exhaust, lightly
prepped heads, 2/1.625" valves and Ed Perf intake. Will the torque be BIG at
2000rpm? Any thoughts?
rgds
Matt
>
> > I don't waste my time explaining to someone how much
> > horsepower my car "might" have.
>
> Likewise. It's all a bunch of BS if you haven't taken the time to
effectively put it to the ground.
>
> I tend to concentrate on lower horsepower numbers with high torque ratings
that keep the engine within a realistic RPM
> range. Then I take the time to make sure the chassis is responding
correctly. Once launch is consistent I learn where
> the car needs to shift in each gear (oddly, allot of guys still don't
understand the benefit of shifting at a lower
> rpm -  instead of redlining every shift).
>
> If we got to comparing HP numbers, the lower HP rating doesn't sound
impressive, but....me and my lower HP vehicle will
> wait for you at the end of the track.
>
> Kevin
>
>

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:30:46 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

>Bonneville list?!?  Where?  I got three of them now... a '99, a '81 and a
>'70 (chopped up into little bits)... Do I qualify?  ;-)

http://www.bonnevilleclub.com -- You'll find me there as acg_ssei, one of 
the Gearheads...  :-)

Now returning us to Olds discussion (again)...

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 16:35:39 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Price of parts... Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

>>I sympathize, but trust me when I say that you won't be getting
>>any price breaks on complex BMW or Acura parts; that's for sure.
>
>Ignition wires . . .
>
>Freakin' ignition wires.....
>
>$349.00

Due to some bit of engineering weirdness, the coolant recovery tank on the 
'83 528e is pressurized along with the rest of the cooling system. It's also 
mounted in the engine compartment back near the firewall, requiring a couple 
of feet of small hose to link it to the radiator. This hose, therefore, must 
also be pressure-resistant, and retails for the tidy sum of $20 per _foot_. 
Sigh...

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:42:18 -0500
From: "Bill Reilly" <william.reilly@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: longest owned G-Olds

Bought my '85 Cutlass Supreme on June 20, 1994 with only 55970 miles on her.
I believe I'm the second owner and plan to keep it that way. It's been a
great ten years.

Bill Reilly

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "James Savnik" <j.savnik@worldnet.att.net>


> Original Owner
> I orderd my 1984 Cutlass Supreme Brougham on May 27 of 1984, and I picked
it
> up from the dealer on August 5, 1984..
> Going on 20 Years
>

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:43:55 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Fire extinguishers

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For the first time, I actually used one to put out a fire in my garage. I was 
welding and some sparks flew into a pile of red rags/towels and burst into 
flames. It was a Home Depot $10 cheapo special, but worked flawlessly. (because 
the towels were still smoldering, I filled a can with water and soaked them 
for an hour before discarding them) The only problem was the mess of powder the 
extinguisher left all over the garage. I found the best solution was to cover 
the garage floor with water, then use an air gun to blow the powder from the 
bench and shelves. It eventually settled on the floor into a mud like 
substance, and I was able to scrape most of it up.

Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92 Eldo

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 09:56:16 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: More Dyno Stuff

Matt,

> Will the torque be BIG at
> 2000rpm? Any thoughts?


I think so. I'd bet on around 350 pounds at 2000 and 450 pounds at 3000. You
have 3 things in your favor; 10-1 CR, small tube headers, and you stayed
with a 2" intake valve.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:56:07 -0600
From: "Michael Brady" <mbrady38@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: bronze engine paint

Yea......I actually prefer the paint sold by "Supercars Unlimited" for my
66' 400, I have noticed some paint that is very dark and in fact the wrong
shade, of course this subject has spawned many a disagreement.

I have heard that "Brothers" has a correct shade but have not seen for
myself.

Funny......the paint I have bought from Fusick in the past I thought was
much to light in color?? Perhaps they have changed it recently??

Anyone else???

Michael Brady
1966 442 Factory L-69



> Hey List,
>
>         The handful of 67' 400s that I have seen were
> painted bronze of course, but it had a hint of orange to it.
> The Fusick paint which I picked up is rather dark like
> a dirty penny.
>
>         Any comments ???
>
> The General

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:01:48 -0500
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: Fire extinguishers

Andy,
   You have to be careful about the gauge, while there might still be a full
charge,
the powder will get hard over time. You need to shake it also to be sure
that it
is still in working order. For the price, its a good idea to just buy a new
one every
couple of years, and shake them often to keep the powder lose...
john
67 cutlass supreme

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:56:16 -0500 
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Lemon Laws [was: Dealing with Generous Motors]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Andrew C. Green [mailto:acg_o@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:13 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
>  
> (Getting caught up at last after a day off...)
> 
> >Someone else brought up the lemon-law issue, you might want 
> to check into
> >how that works.  Isn't it a sort of a deal where they only get three 
> >chances?
> 
> I suspect they would have to be safety-related problems that 
> are acting unresolvable to be counted under the Lemon Law,

Actually, under most state Lemon Laws, the definition of what is considered
a non-conformity is a defect that is covered under the Manufacturer's
Warranty.  One of the stipulations of Lemon Laws though, is that the
problems have to take place within the first 24 months or 24,000 miles
(that's more like 6 months for me).  I don't remember the details of the
original post, only that it was a fellow Michigander!

> and a defective HVAC controller probably doesn't fall into
> that category; e.g. failure to keep the windshield from fogging
> up may be a bit of a stretch as far as "safety-related" items go.

The company I work for recently was awarded a program to produce an entire
HVAC assembly for a SUV and "being able to see clearly through your
windshield" is very much a safety item in the eyes of the Government.  In
fact, how fast the windshield clears is included in the FMVSS (Federal Motor
Vehicle Safety Standard) for the HVAC system.

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:36:42 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Fire extinguishers

Unfortunately, the good folks who are determined to protect us from
ourselves saw fit to ban the **most** effective fire extinguishing agent,
HALON. CO2 works very well, but HALON is fantastic. I've put out one engine
fire on a vehicle and a gas turbine fire with HALON. The results were
fantastic. I still have four 10 pound HALON fire extinguishers. Their
pressure has held.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: Fire extinguishers


> >Yeah, but those extinguishers can go flat after a while, so you
> >have to keep paying to get them recharged, or even worse, buy new
> >ones.
>
> (April Fools Day duly noted... :-)
>
> As one who's had the honor of _actually_ putting out a flaming Oldsmobile
> (yes, the old posting about the adventure at the Rock 'n' Roll McDonald's
> :-), I can tell you that Size Matters; get the largest one you can
> comfortably deal with Re: carrying or storage. In my experience I have not
> seen any leak down over time, but of course you'll want to eyeball that
> pressure gauge every now and then to be sure.
>
> -- Andy
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:43:17 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Price of parts... Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

> This hose, therefore, must
> also be pressure-resistant, and retails for the tidy sum of $20 per
_foot_.
> Sigh...


That's a ripoff. I guarantee you both Aeroequip and Weatherhead have hose
that will more than meet that performance for not more than $2 per foot. Buy
it at an industrial hydraulic hose supply outfit. 250 PSI working pressure
at 400F.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:45:35 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Fire extinguishers

That's another thing nice about HALON. It's a gas. No powder.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Fire extinguishers


> Andy,
>    You have to be careful about the gauge, while there might still be a
full
> charge,
> the powder will get hard over time. You need to shake it also to be sure
> that it
> is still in working order. For the price, its a good idea to just buy a
new
> one every
> couple of years, and shake them often to keep the powder lose...
> john
> 67 cutlass supreme
>

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:24:02 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Speaking Of Parts (Was Re: Price of parts...)

Listmembers,

When Milton mentioned the price of parts and Aeroquip hose it brought up 
something owners of newer Oldsmobiles might keep in mind regarding power steering 
hoses:

A company (Allstar Performance) makes adapter fittings to convert the newer 
GM metric power steering pumps and gears to regular AN fittings.  I had the 
pressure hose start to leak on one of the 80 Starfires and they don't actually 
make the original hose anymore, or so the parts counter people told me.  I went 
to the local racer's (real racing, not the bling-bling BS neon lighting 
"racing" crap) parts place and was able to get the fittings that adapt to -6 hose.  
The local Aeroquip dealer was able to make me a hose that had a 90-degree 
fitting on one end and a 45-degree fitting on the other.  I installed it (after 
clearancing the pump bracket a touch) and no more leaks!

The gear has one size and the pump another, but Allstar carries them:

http://www.allstar-performance.com/

Hope this helps, Take Care!
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:54:27 -0500
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: Fire extinguishers

Milton,
   I have them on my boat, they are the best. NO clean up after they have
done
their magic....  the done side to them, is the smoke that comes after the
fire is out is poisonous....  gee I wonder who the dumb a$$ was who stuck
his head in and took
a good wiff of that too kill himself..???
john
67 cutlass supreme

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 10:51:04 -0800 (PST)
From: J Pajak <ransomeliolds@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Price of parts... Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

- --- "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
wrote:
> > This hose, therefore, must
> > also be pressure-resistant, and retails for the
> tidy sum of $20 per
> _foot_.
> > Sigh...
> 
> 
> That's a ripoff. I guarantee you both Aeroequip and
> Weatherhead have hose
> that will more than meet that performance for not
> more than $2 per foot. Buy
> it at an industrial hydraulic hose supply outfit.
> 250 PSI working pressure
> at 400F.
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
> 
*******************

My two LT1 Caprices have a pressurized coolant tanks.
I had to replace the line on our 95 wagon, and I used
a piece of 3/8" fuel line. So far it has held up fine.

Of course my 95 9C1 has lifetime green silicone hoses.

Olds content: Wish they made them for Oldsmobiles!    


 




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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:48:10 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: More Dyno Stuff

Milton, the Desktop Dyno says  530lbs from 2000 to 3500rpm, but this would
be a dream to achieve.
So the cam is not too big for the street fun?
thanks and best regards
Matt

> > Will the torque be BIG at
> > 2000rpm? Any thoughts?
> I think so. I'd bet on around 350 pounds at 2000 and 450 pounds at 3000.
You
> have 3 things in your favor; 10-1 CR, small tube headers, and you stayed
> with a 2" intake valve.
Milton Schick

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:46:45 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Speaking Of Parts (Was Re: Price of parts...)

To back Ken up, and I mentioned this before, I don't buy replacement power
steering hoses from the autoparts store. I take the offending hose to the
local industrial hydraulic supply place and have them make a new hose to
match, that is now rated to 4000 PSI. They never wear out. They don't really
cost much more, either. About $20 for a hose.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:24 AM
Subject: Speaking Of Parts (Was Re: Price of parts...)


> Listmembers,
>
> When Milton mentioned the price of parts and Aeroquip hose it brought up
> something owners of newer Oldsmobiles might keep in mind regarding power
steering
> hoses:
>
> A company (Allstar Performance) makes adapter fittings to convert the
newer
> GM metric power steering pumps and gears to regular AN fittings.  I had
the
> pressure hose start to leak on one of the 80 Starfires and they don't
actually
> make the original hose anymore, or so the parts counter people told me.  I
went
> to the local racer's (real racing, not the bling-bling BS neon lighting
> "racing" crap) parts place and was able to get the fittings that adapt
to -6 hose.
> The local Aeroquip dealer was able to make me a hose that had a 90-degree
> fitting on one end and a 45-degree fitting on the other.  I installed it
(after
> clearancing the pump bracket a touch) and no more leaks!
>
> The gear has one size and the pump another, but Allstar carries them:
>
> http://www.allstar-performance.com/
>
> Hope this helps, Take Care!
> SrA Ken Snyder
> Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:56:56 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Fire extinguishers

John & List,

It's not the smoke that's poisonous. HALON completely displaces oxygen.
That's how it puts the fire out. Therefore, any human or pet in the area of
the fire can't breathe, especially if it's in an enclosed space, like the
inside of a tank or APC. Therefore, all personnel must evacuate the area,
unless the fire is outside or in a big enough open space.

HALON was originally developed by NASA in 1970 to prevent a M-60 tank from
exploding and killing the crew if the tank was hit by a HEAT armor piercing
round. It was determined the crew had 10 milliseconds to live if the armor
was penetrated. NASA developed a sensor that would detect armor penetration
and set off the HALON and flood the crew compartment with HALON in 4
milliseconds, preventing the penetrating round from setting off the fuel and
the ammo storage (no oxygen to sustain combustion) while allowing the crew
to escape. It didn't matter the crew couldn't breathe, for it only took a
few seconds to bail out of the tank in panic mode.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: Fire extinguishers


> Milton,
>    I have them on my boat, they are the best. NO clean up after they have
> done
> their magic....  the done side to them, is the smoke that comes after the
> fire is out is poisonous....  gee I wonder who the dumb a$$ was who stuck
> his head in and took
> a good wiff of that too kill himself..???
> john
> 67 cutlass supreme
>
>

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 13:00:45 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: More Dyno Stuff

Matt,

I don't think so. Your rear axle ratio will also make a big difference, but
anything over 3.42 should be okay. The 455 has enough cubes and bottom end
torque that it should pull it.

By leaving the 2" intake valve alone and with the dual pattern cam, you will
be evacuating the cylinders nicely. I don't think you will have a problem.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: More Dyno Stuff


> Milton, the Desktop Dyno says  530lbs from 2000 to 3500rpm, but this would
> be a dream to achieve.
> So the cam is not too big for the street fun?
> thanks and best regards
> Matt
>
> > > Will the torque be BIG at
> > > 2000rpm? Any thoughts?
> > I think so. I'd bet on around 350 pounds at 2000 and 450 pounds at 3000.
> You
> > have 3 things in your favor; 10-1 CR, small tube headers, and you stayed
> > with a 2" intake valve.
> Milton Schick
>

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:14:55 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: 2003 Olds Nationals

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Hemmings is doing a feature article on the 2003 Olds Nationals with some 
great pictures.
Go to: www.hemings.com And scroll down.


Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92 Eldo

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:33:23 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: 2003 Olds Nationals

That link is all bible stuff.......
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:14 PM
Subject: 2003 Olds Nationals


> Hemmings is doing a feature article on the 2003 Olds Nationals with some 
> great pictures.
> Go to: www.hemings.com And scroll down.
> 
> 
> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
> 72 Cutlass Conv.
> 56 190 SL Conv.
> 92 Eldo
> 

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:38:56 -0500 
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: 2003 Olds Nationals

TWO m's in Hemmings - www.hemmings.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: swanny [mailto:swannys78@adelphia.net]
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:33 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 2003 Olds Nationals
> 
> 
> That link is all bible stuff.......
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:14 PM
> Subject: 2003 Olds Nationals
> 
> 
> > Hemmings is doing a feature article on the 2003 Olds 
> Nationals with some 
> > great pictures.
> > Go to: www.hemings.com And scroll down.
> > 
> > 
> > Bruce
> > 75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
> > 72 Cutlass Conv.
> > 56 190 SL Conv.
> > 92 Eldo
> > 
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:42:05 -0500
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: 2003 Olds Nationals

Ummm....Bruce.....I think that is the wrong addy for the web page you wanted
us to see???

Could you have ment this one???
http://www.hemmings.com

Tami

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:43:50 -0500
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: 2003 Olds Nationals

I saw that also Swanny....but with what is going on in my life right
now....its a good message...I think?

I think I posted the web page he wanted to send!

Tami

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:48:18 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: More Dyno Stuff

Hmmmmm.... 2.29 for the time with 3500lbs to pull, looks a steper gear will
be needed soon or the whole rear end as the 81 has the weak 7.5" and the not
so strong TH350C ....
rgds
Matt
> I don't think so. Your rear axle ratio will also make a big difference,
but
> anything over 3.42 should be okay. The 455 has enough cubes and bottom end
> torque that it should pull it. By leaving the 2" intake valve alone and
with the dual pattern cam, you will
> be evacuating the cylinders nicely. I don't think you will have a problem.
> Milton Schick
> > Milton, the Desktop Dyno says  530lbs from 2000 to 3500rpm, but this
would
> > be a dream to achieve.
> > So the cam is not too big for the street fun?
> > thanks and best regards
> > Matt
> >
> > > > Will the torque be BIG at
> > > > 2000rpm? Any thoughts?
> > > I think so. I'd bet on around 350 pounds at 2000 and 450 pounds at
3000.
> > You
> > > have 3 things in your favor; 10-1 CR, small tube headers, and you
stayed
> > > with a 2" intake valve.
> > Milton Schick

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:53:31 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: 2003 Olds Nationals

Tami,
I did a fair share praying last week when my boy had a clot removed from his
brain.....hope it works out for you.......
Pat.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: 2003 Olds Nationals


> I saw that also Swanny....but with what is going on in my life right
> now....its a good message...I think?
>
> I think I posted the web page he wanted to send!
>
> Tami
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 15:57:38 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: 2003 Olds Nationals

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Sorry, bout that.
www.hemmings.com



Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92 Eldo

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 16:11:42 EST
From: Ayashkeefer@aol.com
Subject: air filter

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hey guys,where can i find a air filter for my 1960 super 88,394 c.i.i have 
tryed on line auto parts stores,but they keep sending the wrong ones.keith 
soden,oca#035738

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:58:28 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: More Dyno Stuff

> Hmmmmm.... 2.29 for the time with 3500lbs to pull, looks a steper gear
will
> be needed soon or the whole rear end as the 81 has the weak 7.5" and the
not
> so strong TH350C ....
> rgds
> Matt


Ouch! I didn't remember you had a high speed gear like that. I don't have
any experience with an Olds engine operating with a gear lower than 3.08.
I'm not sure what will happen. Yeah, your 7.5" axle and TH350C might not
last long. A 8.5" and a TH400 might be in your future.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 01:20:19 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Fire extinguishers

At 10:45 AM 4/2/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>That's another thing nice about HALON. It's a gas. No powder.

It's also super-dangerous to use in a closed space, since it works by
displacing oxygen molecules. Many servicepeople have suffocated during
shipboard electrical fires where Halon was used. Firefighters using Halon
or entering a Halon-flooded compartment MUST carry self-contained breathing
equipment.

But Halon's effectiveness is unquestioned.

SteveH

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