
oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, April 11 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4852



Re: Rebuild\Rebuilt
temper fugit?
Re: Toronado part needed ........
Car carriers
RE: Trunk rods
RE: ref; cover plate
Re: Longest owned Olds
RE: ref; cover plate
Re: Pressure Plate Surface Rust
Re: Best place to tap 12v for Ignitor II?
Re: That ain't no BB! Is it?
Listed a few items on eVil
62 Cutlass rear eng. pics/58 vapor lock?
Re: Longest owned Olds
Re: Longest owned Olds
RE: oldsmobile-digest V1 #4851
Re: 62 Cutlass rear eng. pics/58 vapor lock?
Re: Toronado part needed ........
Pertronix Install
Bumpers
Re: Longest owned Olds
Re: 62 Cutlass rear eng. pics/58 vapor lock?
Re: Longest owned Olds/Ernie
Re: 62 Cutlass rear eng. pics/58 vapor lock?
Grill Parts
trunk mount battery install
re:CUSTOM AUTO PARTS-CD CHANGER-CHEAPER
Re: Grill Parts
Re: trunk mount battery install
Re: trunk mount battery install

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:17:11 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: Rebuild\Rebuilt

William Grumblatt Jr wrote:
> I put a used power steering gear box on the 67 88 last year and now it's 
> a leaking like the original (which I still have)  Has anyone on the list 
> rebuilt their own? I have never done one, But then I never rebuilt an 
> engine before the 425. Its been 3 1/2 years and still running. (I love 
> my shop manual). Just a wondering if someone had some personal 
> experience rebuilding one. Also going to replace the power steering pump 
> and hoses. Figure It all should be done at same time. Power steering 
> pump with or without reservoir? Don't have a spare to mess with, any 
> problems there, on swapping the resevoir?
>  
> Bill G
> 67 Delta 88 Custom
> 87 Custom Wagon (not quite running yet)
Bill
    I have rebuilt one steering box about 30 years ago (I was a 
dealership tech) This not an easy task and I reccommend that you find
someone in your area to rebuild it for you. Just getting the 
recirculating balls back in and correct is a bear.
LOL
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:20:41 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: temper fugit?

snip
Every so often, I peruse the "foreign phrases"

Definition of seminar
  As we all know semi comes from the latin meaning half
and ar is short for Arse
So a seminar is any half ass** disscussion
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 18:41:00 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Toronado part needed ........

>         Can someone post this to the Toro list ???
> I need an axle shaft nut for a pre 78'. This is actually for
> a 75 Eldorado. The end of the axle snapped off and away
> went the nut. The replacement shaft has no nut.

Done.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:00:56 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Car carriers

We have had good luck with Reliable (closed haulers), and Dependable 
Carriers.  Recently had Reliable haul a '50 Olds "88" from Orlando to 
Phoenix, door to door, for $1,155.00.

Joe Varley
       AZ

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:04:37 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Trunk rods

Last year I had broken rods on both '67 Supremes, a hardtop and a 
convert.  I used a vise grip and a LONG stout screwdriver.  I laid down in 
the trunk with my head toward the back seat.  Be sure to keep your face out 
of the way!!!!   I had a friend ready to push or prod if needed. 1 went 
right in, had friend assist on the other.  Look at another car first to see 
the correct spring orientation and it's no big deal.  Just be careful !!!

Joe Varley
       AZ

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 19:17:26 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: ref; cover plate

It's definitely not for under the steering column to protect the throttle
linkage, because the throttle cable is to the right of the column, and the
plate doesn't go to the right. It's possible that it's not even from my car,
because I got a bunch of stuff back that is not mine, and even on the
Chevelle list, nobody could say what it is. The main thing is that I don't
want to chuck it if it is in fact from my car. I'll just hold onto it a
while longer until I can see some other ECs and see if there appears to be
any sort of shield around the fuel filler tube. I'm sure it's not for the
starter (at least not my starter). Someone else suggested that it might be
for around the starter of a 50s Olds. That's certainly possible.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Steve Harrison
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:39 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: ref; cover plate

At 12:03 PM 4/10/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>I'll test that theory, but I don't think that's where it goes or what it's
>for. According to Steve & Dave, it's supposed to be inside the quarter
panel
>to protect the fuel filler tube.

Actually, I *don't* know for sure that's what it's really for; it just
looks similar to the plate in my '83 M*libu but might well be for something
else, such as a starter shield. I don't have an early Illustration Manual
so I dunno.

SteveH

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 16:57:33 -0400
From: "Ernie Johnson" <bigej@pivot.net>
Subject: Re: Longest owned Olds

Hi Everyone

I may not qualify as "the longest owned Olds" on this list but my 442 and I
have had quite a relationship with my 442.

First to introduce myself,  I've been a member of this list for almost since
its beginning.  In the early days I used the name "Elephant engine Ernie"
from the 70's 442 advertising as a name and participated fairly actively.
In the past few years I switched to the digest and have joined in very
rarely.  This list is a wonderful resource with an amazing amount of Olds
knowledge available.

Now to the Olds relationship.  Sometime in the spring of 1967 a black 442
hardtop coupe arrived at the dealership where I was working as an mechanic.
This car was beautiful, black with a yellow pin stripe and a very unusual
bright yellow vinyl interior!  In 1967 Olds had a convertible option that
consisted of a bright yellow exterior and vinyl interior.  It was a really
striking car and our dealership had sold a couple of these.  The yellow
interior was added as an option part way thru the model year for black cars,
but my car is the only one that I have ever seen equipped this way in all
these years.

When this car arrived I just had to "set it up"!  My boss liked me because I
was an enthusiastic young mechanic who would take on all the "new"
technology that the older mechanics shunned (like automatic temperature
control A/C).  As a reward for my enthusiasm, whenever any new neat car came
in I was allowed to "set it up" which include among other things a road
test.  And that's how this 4 speed little coupe and I started our
relationship.

The car was sold on May 31 1967 to a regular customer, a fellow a few years
older than I, that brought it back to me for its regular servicing.  (Most
of the 442 and W-31 customers requested me because the service department
for the most part consisted of people used to the needs of Cadillac and full
sized Olds customers and regarded the performance folk as a minor irritant.
I was really into the performance type of car and again my boss was pleased
and encouraged my relationship with these folk because he looked at these
new customers as plus business).

Early 1969 this customer traded the car in on a new 88 and on March 26, 1969
the car became mine.  For four years it was my primary car (excluding
"winter-beaters") and saw me through countless street races, some legitimate
1/4 & 1/8 mile campaigns, a marriage (still have that wife too) and all sort
of adventures.  In 1973 the car had a little over 100,000 miles on it and I
figured it was time to trade.  Trouble was, I couldn't find anything I liked
as much to replace it!  So I bought a new Cutlass and kept the 442 as sort
of a Sunday driver.
After that new Cutlass I was fortunate enough to have a job for many years
that allowed me my choice of Oldsmobiles and some Cadillacs for my personal
use as a job benefit so the car retained its status as a Sunday toy through
all these years.

We drove the car out to Lansing's 100th party and today it is still sitting
in its honored spot in my garage.  What is really neat about this little
story is,, about six or seven years ago the original owner looked me up and
offered me a deal.  All his ownership paper work for a ride!

So now I have the warranty "Protect-a-plate" in my name (the car had a five
year warranty and when I bought the car the warranty was transferred to me),
his ownership papers, and mine, and the car.

Thanks for listening.

Ernie Johnson
67-442
50-88

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 12:16:14 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: ref; cover plate

Come to think of it, it couldn't possibly be what you say it is. The
throttle cable is to the right of the steering column. If this thing were
mounted under the column, it wouldn't go anywhere near the throttle cable.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Ron Miller
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 8:33 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: ref; cover plate

The cover plate Mr. Nasta is trying to figure out I believe is the cover
that goes beneath the steering column to protect the throttle linkage.
I did not remove this plate , it was with the car when it was brought in to
the shop.as well as other objects in the same nature.

mwauto@nb.net

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:56:30 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Pressure Plate Surface Rust

Steve,

Emory cloth on a flat sanding block. You won't remove any metal. The clutch
plate will wear much more metal away than that, over time.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Reed" <ssreed@direcway.com>
To: "Olds" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:02 AM
Subject: Pressure Plate Surface Rust


> All,
> I have been inspecting drive train parts on the '70 preparing it for
> the reassembly process.  I noticed that the brand new used for 1/2 hour
MAX,
> has a bit of surface rust on it.
> What would be the best way to clean it?
>
> I have to be careful, as it's part of the balanced assembly.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Steve Reed
> '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode)
> '68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine)
> Austin, TX
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html
>
>

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:41:27 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Best place to tap 12v for Ignitor II?

> Without chopping up my harness or running some unsightly wires - what's
the
> best place to tap a full 12v for the coil?


The quickest and easiest would be to run a wire directly from the main
battery terminal on the left fender at the horn relay, to a toggle switch
under the dash, and then to the coil.


> Again, I would like the install to be clean and easily repairable back to
> stock. There has to be a nearby switched 12v source that I can tap into
for
> the coil.


That way, you can simply leave the original wiring disconnected and wrapped
up out of the way and use a completely separate wiring system for the new
ignition source.

I run all sorts of things off of the main battery terminal at the horn
relay. It's quick and easy. If another fuse is needed, use and inline.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 09:53:42 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: That ain't no BB! Is it?

1) Can't see enough of the front of the block to tell, but the intake
manifold looks narrow, that's gold paint on the valve covers not just rust,
and the thermostat housing is typical of a small block, not the big block
one with the bypass pipe pointing at the water pump for that year.

2) How can a "clone" be all correct?????

3) I just love the 445 engine claim. Now just who built a 445 engine?????
Doesn't anyone ever proofread these things, assuming he knew the difference.

4) The engine is sucking dirt into the crankcase. Notice the air inlet to
the crankcase on the right valve cover. It's not hooked to the inside of the
air cleaner anymore, so it isn't getting filtered air. Sooooo, dirty air is
going into the crankcase for air exchange. Not cool at all.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:00 AM
Subject: That ain't no BB! Is it?


>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=247245016
6&category=15287
>
> What a clone this thing is. Two 442 emblems and shaving the supreme chrome
> did it!
>
> Cheers, George
> 71 442 (not a clone)
> 71 c/s (could clone it, take two badges off the 442?)
>

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:47:29 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Listed a few items on eVil

in case you need 1967 LH fender, extension, plastic liner, 1966 convertible 
interior panels, 1967 Cutlass rear bumper, etc.

Nice close pic of the Buick V6 Thermostat Housing shows how NICE parts come 
out of the cleaning process. Tried a air filter breather tube today, VERY 
NICE results. All the bolts from the 1966 330 are done by now. Running out 
of stuff to clean!

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=*the*rocketscientist&since=30&sort=8&rows=25
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 00:47:31 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: 62 Cutlass rear eng. pics/58 vapor lock?

Hello
Look what i saw at the strip today
 http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1081728334494_0410_019.jpg 
Where is the motor?
  http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1079988524156_0410_018.jpg 
Oh there it is in the trunk.
 http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1080176814838_0410_017.jpg 
Maybe just for fun...what size motor is that?
FYI a Granma drives this car.
Wonder if thats granma turkey roaster pan underneath?
 http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1083391578094_0410_020.jpg 
The Granpa told me he can rebuild the TORO tranny in car.
Myself got a 15.96 outa the 58 today 2.28 60ft.
I think i runnin outa fuel(emptying the bowls)...gonna install a elec. fuel pump gauge/reg.,mech pump may not be enough....Plugs look a little lean.
I had to hot lap going rounds today in a king of the hill race for a free pass all summer racing,,,,treed a bigshot super pro. guy then the 58 fell flat(bog) at 3/4 track then picked up again,,,me thinkin vapor lock?
 http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1080952808058_0410_015.jpg 
  http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1082826871672_0410_016.jpg 
Will try agin tomorra.
Randy H.
Maple Ridge B.C.
A bad day of racing is better then a good day at work.

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:30:17 -0700
From: "Mike Morrissey" <oxfarm@oregontrail.net>
Subject: Re: Longest owned Olds

Nice story, Ernie! Thanks for sharing! Americana at its best.
Mike in baker city, Oregon
'98 intrigue
''72 suburban
'69 442 ragged-top
'69 vista "Vista-Carouser"
and the rest of the "Obsolete Fleet"
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ernie Johnson" <bigej@pivot.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: Longest owned Olds


> Hi Everyone
>
> I may not qualify as "the longest owned Olds" on this list but my 442 and
I
> have had quite a relationship with my 442.
>
> First to introduce myself,  I've been a member of this list for almost
since
> its beginning.  In the early days I used the name "Elephant engine Ernie"
> from the 70's 442 advertising as a name and participated fairly actively.
> In the past few years I switched to the digest and have joined in very
> rarely.  This list is a wonderful resource with an amazing amount of Olds
> knowledge available.
>
> Now to the Olds relationship.  Sometime in the spring of 1967 a black 442
> hardtop coupe arrived at the dealership where I was working as an
mechanic.
> This car was beautiful, black with a yellow pin stripe and a very unusual
> bright yellow vinyl interior!  In 1967 Olds had a convertible option that
> consisted of a bright yellow exterior and vinyl interior.  It was a really
> striking car and our dealership had sold a couple of these.  The yellow
> interior was added as an option part way thru the model year for black
cars,
> but my car is the only one that I have ever seen equipped this way in all
> these years.
>
> When this car arrived I just had to "set it up"!  My boss liked me because
I
> was an enthusiastic young mechanic who would take on all the "new"
> technology that the older mechanics shunned (like automatic temperature
> control A/C).  As a reward for my enthusiasm, whenever any new neat car
came
> in I was allowed to "set it up" which include among other things a road
> test.  And that's how this 4 speed little coupe and I started our
> relationship.
>
> The car was sold on May 31 1967 to a regular customer, a fellow a few
years
> older than I, that brought it back to me for its regular servicing.  (Most
> of the 442 and W-31 customers requested me because the service department
> for the most part consisted of people used to the needs of Cadillac and
full
> sized Olds customers and regarded the performance folk as a minor
irritant.
> I was really into the performance type of car and again my boss was
pleased
> and encouraged my relationship with these folk because he looked at these
> new customers as plus business).
>
> Early 1969 this customer traded the car in on a new 88 and on March 26,
1969
> the car became mine.  For four years it was my primary car (excluding
> "winter-beaters") and saw me through countless street races, some
legitimate
> 1/4 & 1/8 mile campaigns, a marriage (still have that wife too) and all
sort
> of adventures.  In 1973 the car had a little over 100,000 miles on it and
I
> figured it was time to trade.  Trouble was, I couldn't find anything I
liked
> as much to replace it!  So I bought a new Cutlass and kept the 442 as sort
> of a Sunday driver.
> After that new Cutlass I was fortunate enough to have a job for many years
> that allowed me my choice of Oldsmobiles and some Cadillacs for my
personal
> use as a job benefit so the car retained its status as a Sunday toy
through
> all these years.
>
> We drove the car out to Lansing's 100th party and today it is still
sitting
> in its honored spot in my garage.  What is really neat about this little
> story is,, about six or seven years ago the original owner looked me up
and
> offered me a deal.  All his ownership paper work for a ride!
>
> So now I have the warranty "Protect-a-plate" in my name (the car had a
five
> year warranty and when I bought the car the warranty was transferred to
me),
> his ownership papers, and mine, and the car.
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
> Ernie Johnson
> 67-442
> 50-88
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:32:10 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Longest owned Olds

Way too Kool!

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie Johnson" <bigej@pivot.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: Longest owned Olds


> Hi Everyone
>
> I may not qualify as "the longest owned Olds" on this list but my 442 and
I
> have had quite a relationship with my 442.
>
> First to introduce myself,  I've been a member of this list for almost
since
> its beginning.  In the early days I used the name "Elephant engine Ernie"
> from the 70's 442 advertising as a name and participated fairly actively.
> In the past few years I switched to the digest and have joined in very
> rarely.  This list is a wonderful resource with an amazing amount of Olds
> knowledge available.
>
> Now to the Olds relationship.  Sometime in the spring of 1967 a black 442
> hardtop coupe arrived at the dealership where I was working as an
mechanic.
> This car was beautiful, black with a yellow pin stripe and a very unusual
> bright yellow vinyl interior!  In 1967 Olds had a convertible option that
> consisted of a bright yellow exterior and vinyl interior.  It was a really
> striking car and our dealership had sold a couple of these.  The yellow
> interior was added as an option part way thru the model year for black
cars,
> but my car is the only one that I have ever seen equipped this way in all
> these years.
>
> When this car arrived I just had to "set it up"!  My boss liked me because
I
> was an enthusiastic young mechanic who would take on all the "new"
> technology that the older mechanics shunned (like automatic temperature
> control A/C).  As a reward for my enthusiasm, whenever any new neat car
came
> in I was allowed to "set it up" which include among other things a road
> test.  And that's how this 4 speed little coupe and I started our
> relationship.
>
> The car was sold on May 31 1967 to a regular customer, a fellow a few
years
> older than I, that brought it back to me for its regular servicing.  (Most
> of the 442 and W-31 customers requested me because the service department
> for the most part consisted of people used to the needs of Cadillac and
full
> sized Olds customers and regarded the performance folk as a minor
irritant.
> I was really into the performance type of car and again my boss was
pleased
> and encouraged my relationship with these folk because he looked at these
> new customers as plus business).
>
> Early 1969 this customer traded the car in on a new 88 and on March 26,
1969
> the car became mine.  For four years it was my primary car (excluding
> "winter-beaters") and saw me through countless street races, some
legitimate
> 1/4 & 1/8 mile campaigns, a marriage (still have that wife too) and all
sort
> of adventures.  In 1973 the car had a little over 100,000 miles on it and
I
> figured it was time to trade.  Trouble was, I couldn't find anything I
liked
> as much to replace it!  So I bought a new Cutlass and kept the 442 as sort
> of a Sunday driver.
> After that new Cutlass I was fortunate enough to have a job for many years
> that allowed me my choice of Oldsmobiles and some Cadillacs for my
personal
> use as a job benefit so the car retained its status as a Sunday toy
through
> all these years.
>
> We drove the car out to Lansing's 100th party and today it is still
sitting
> in its honored spot in my garage.  What is really neat about this little
> story is,, about six or seven years ago the original owner looked me up
and
> offered me a deal.  All his ownership paper work for a ride!
>
> So now I have the warranty "Protect-a-plate" in my name (the car had a
five
> year warranty and when I bought the car the warranty was transferred to
me),
> his ownership papers, and mine, and the car.
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
> Ernie Johnson
> 67-442
> 50-88
>
>
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:54:31 -0700
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: RE: oldsmobile-digest V1 #4851

I have to say I'm super happy with mine and the installation in my 65.
Purchased mine through a local dealer and he gave me a good deal. I don't
think you're going to find much variation in price unless you go to ebay.
And yes, I believe you need to use their CD player. It comes in a generic
box and I could not find any other mfg. logos on it.

I was able to get some unbelievable sound out of mine. Got CA's best 4x10
dual in-dash speaker to fit in the stock location and wired that to the
front inputs.

Then I used the pre-outs to an amplifier I have in the trunk powering a JBL
10in Sub and 2 infinity 3-in mids/highs.

Man the thing puts out some incredible sound!


- ------------------------------

Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 08:20:07 -0400
From: "Stephen Bicker" <sbicker@rochester.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Custom Autosound radio combined with generic CD changer?

I just got and installed a custom auto sound system in the 67 442 I am
finishing. It is the USA 5 with the 10 disc changer. I also installed there
speakers that fit in the stock locations. Not the greatest sound but for
crusing should be just fine. I bought mine at In Demand Auto Parts in
Arizona they seem to be the cheapest. It took a couple of weeks to get. This
was the only thing I could find so I would not have to cut up the dash. Hope
this helps

Steve Bicker
67 442,67 442 (project X)
70 442, 73 442
70 Cutlass Race
http://66.67.15.102

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Date: Sat, 10 Apr 2004 23:24:42 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 62 Cutlass rear eng. pics/58 vapor lock?

Randy,

> I think i runnin outa fuel(emptying the bowls)...gonna install a elec.
fuel pump gauge/reg.,mech pump may not be enough....Plugs look a little
lean.
> I had to hot lap going rounds today in a king of the hill race for a free
pass all summer racing,,,,treed a bigshot super pro. guy then the 58 fell
flat(bog) at 3/4 track then picked up again,,,me thinkin vapor lock?


Buy a Carter 100 GPH electric fuel pump that is self regulated at 7 psi...no
regulator needed. Mount it as close to the gas tank as possible. Run a 10
gauge wire back to it. Use at lease a 3/8" fuel line to the carbs. A 1/2"
line would be better.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 05:46:19 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: Toronado part needed ........

Frederick Nissen wrote:
>>        Can someone post this to the Toro list ???
>>I need an axle shaft nut for a pre 78'. This is actually for
>>a 75 Eldorado. The end of the axle snapped off and away
>>went the nut. The replacement shaft has no nut.
> 
> 
> Done.
> 
> Regards,
> Fred
> 
> 
> 
Fred
   I have a 74 parts car.(toro) I'm just not sure what it is that you 
need. Enlighten me
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:54:00 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Pertronix Install

Runa 14 gauge wire from the "IGN" spade on the fusebox to the + side of
the coil. This is a key operated 12V source.

Disconnect the resistor wire and tape it to the harness.

Works great, and you can return to stock easily.

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 hardtop
OCA # 31967 

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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 07:54:59 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Bumpers

Best place: Tri City Plating in Tennessee. Great quality, service and
prices.


Paul Tumolo
1970 442 hardtop
OCA # 31967 

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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:59:05 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Longest owned Olds

I think I had a dream like that. You have my vote ;-)


Pat Swanton.


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ernie Johnson" <bigej@pivot.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: Longest owned Olds


> Hi Everyone
>
> I may not qualify as "the longest owned Olds" on this list but my 442 and
I
> have had quite a relationship with my 442.
>
> First to introduce myself,  I've been a member of this list for almost
since
> its beginning.  In the early days I used the name "Elephant engine Ernie"
> from the 70's 442 advertising as a name and participated fairly actively.
> In the past few years I switched to the digest and have joined in very
> rarely.  This list is a wonderful resource with an amazing amount of Olds
> knowledge available.
>
> Now to the Olds relationship.  Sometime in the spring of 1967 a black 442
> hardtop coupe arrived at the dealership where I was working as an
mechanic.
> This car was beautiful, black with a yellow pin stripe and a very unusual
> bright yellow vinyl interior!  In 1967 Olds had a convertible option that
> consisted of a bright yellow exterior and vinyl interior.  It was a really
> striking car and our dealership had sold a couple of these.  The yellow
> interior was added as an option part way thru the model year for black
cars,
> but my car is the only one that I have ever seen equipped this way in all
> these years.
>
> When this car arrived I just had to "set it up"!  My boss liked me because
I
> was an enthusiastic young mechanic who would take on all the "new"
> technology that the older mechanics shunned (like automatic temperature
> control A/C).  As a reward for my enthusiasm, whenever any new neat car
came
> in I was allowed to "set it up" which include among other things a road
> test.  And that's how this 4 speed little coupe and I started our
> relationship.
>
> The car was sold on May 31 1967 to a regular customer, a fellow a few
years
> older than I, that brought it back to me for its regular servicing.  (Most
> of the 442 and W-31 customers requested me because the service department
> for the most part consisted of people used to the needs of Cadillac and
full
> sized Olds customers and regarded the performance folk as a minor
irritant.
> I was really into the performance type of car and again my boss was
pleased
> and encouraged my relationship with these folk because he looked at these
> new customers as plus business).
>
> Early 1969 this customer traded the car in on a new 88 and on March 26,
1969
> the car became mine.  For four years it was my primary car (excluding
> "winter-beaters") and saw me through countless street races, some
legitimate
> 1/4 & 1/8 mile campaigns, a marriage (still have that wife too) and all
sort
> of adventures.  In 1973 the car had a little over 100,000 miles on it and
I
> figured it was time to trade.  Trouble was, I couldn't find anything I
liked
> as much to replace it!  So I bought a new Cutlass and kept the 442 as sort
> of a Sunday driver.
> After that new Cutlass I was fortunate enough to have a job for many years
> that allowed me my choice of Oldsmobiles and some Cadillacs for my
personal
> use as a job benefit so the car retained its status as a Sunday toy
through
> all these years.
>
> We drove the car out to Lansing's 100th party and today it is still
sitting
> in its honored spot in my garage.  What is really neat about this little
> story is,, about six or seven years ago the original owner looked me up
and
> offered me a deal.  All his ownership paper work for a ride!
>
> So now I have the warranty "Protect-a-plate" in my name (the car had a
five
> year warranty and when I bought the car the warranty was transferred to
me),
> his ownership papers, and mine, and the car.
>
> Thanks for listening.
>
> Ernie Johnson
> 67-442
> 50-88
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 14:51:21 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 62 Cutlass rear eng. pics/58 vapor lock?

At 11:24 PM 4/10/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Randy,
........
>Buy a Carter 100 GPH electric fuel pump that is self regulated at 7 psi...no
>regulator needed. Mount it as close to the gas tank as possible. Run a 10
>gauge wire back to it.

Don't use the FRAME for the ground return; instead, use the BODY. There are
no ground straps from the battery negative to the frame so the frame may or
may not actually be grounded. There ARE ground straps between the body and
battery negative (at least, there're SUPPOSED to be, behind the heads on
each side to the firewall). If you don't use any ground wire, the ground
will occur through the fuel line to the block which isn't a Good Thing.
Notice, at the tank, that there is a ground wire from the sender to the
body; you can use that location as long's it's clean and tight.

And fuse it separately from everything else.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:46:58 -0400
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: Longest owned Olds/Ernie

Wow...what a GREAT story!! Its great to hear you still have that wife
too....LOL

Thanks for sharing!!!

Tami

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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 09:54:12 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 62 Cutlass rear eng. pics/58 vapor lock?

> Don't use the FRAME for the ground return; instead, use the BODY. There
are
> no ground straps from the battery negative to the frame so the frame may
or
> may not actually be grounded.


So, ground the frame to the body and the engine, if it isn't already. There
are so many benefits to have everything grounded together.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 11:15:12 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Grill Parts

A while ago, someone was looking for a grill from a '69 to steal parts from. 

Do you still need it? 

I happened to come across a broken one in my attic.

Kevin :o)

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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 14:52:22 -0400
From: "73H/O OLDSRIP" <jtmwalt@netsync.net>
Subject: trunk mount battery install

Hi all,

What is the best way to wire a trunk mount battery? Is there are a benefit
if you wire in a Ford style relay intead of going right to the starter with
the main power cable. This is for a bb Olds of course.

Thanks,

Joe Walters
73 H/O

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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 12:20:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: William Grumblatt Jr <wgrumblatt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: re:CUSTOM AUTO PARTS-CD CHANGER-CHEAPER

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InDemandAutoParts.com thats where I got mine for the 67 Delta 88, goes wright in. They also have a cd changer that listed lower than Custom Autosound. Mine is cd ready, just not high on the priority list to justify the purchase at this time. Nice people there too, they were lower than Custom autosounds list price.
Bill G
67 Delta 88 Custom
87 Custom Wagon (not quite runnin yet)

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<DIV>InDemandAutoParts.com thats where I got mine for the 67 Delta 88, goes wright in. They also have a cd changer that listed lower than Custom Autosound. Mine is cd ready, just not high on the priority list to justify the purchase at this time. Nice people there too, they were lower than Custom autosounds list price.</DIV>
<DIV>Bill G</DIV>
<DIV>67 Delta 88 Custom</DIV>
<DIV>87 Custom Wagon (not quite runnin yet)</DIV>
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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:56:41 EDT
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: Grill Parts

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69 cutlas or what  kind of gril
jeff

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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 13:14:40 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: trunk mount battery install

> What is the best way to wire a trunk mount battery? Is there are a benefit
> if you wire in a Ford style relay intead of going right to the starter
with
> the main power cable. This is for a bb Olds of course.


Joe,

Does your '73 use a horn rely mounted on the left inner fender like the
earlier A-bodies? If so, just run the main battery cable (fine multi-strand
AWG 4/0 welding cable) from the battery positive post to the main battery
terminal on the horn relay. If your engine and body and frame are all
grounded together with multiple ground wires, then you can simply run the
battery ground cable (also AWG 4/0) to the frame under the trunk. That saves
a lot of weight.

I've never used the Ford style rely for this application, although I have
heard of some people doing it.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2004 18:29:34 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: trunk mount battery install

  what we did was run a ground cable to frame and the pos cable was a old set of welding cables.
used ford style relay and made a jumper  connector from brass  from starter pos lead and s term.
worked well
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "73H/O OLDSRIP" <jtmwalt@netsync.net>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 2:52 PM
  Subject: trunk mount battery install


  > Hi all,
  >
  > What is the best way to wire a trunk mount battery? Is there are a benefit
  > if you wire in a Ford style relay intead of going right to the starter with
  > the main power cable. This is for a bb Olds of course.
  >
  > Thanks,
  >
  > Joe Walters
  > 73 H/O
  >
  >
  >

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