
oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, March 20 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4823



Headcount (was Re: looking for 1970 magizine)
4-Core Radiator recommendation
Back with a Radiator question
RE: 4-Core Radiator recommendation
Good Decision
Re: looking for 1970 magizine
Re: Back with a Radiator question
W-31 heads - COMPLETE!!!
Re: Good Decision
Re: W-31 heads - COMPLETE!!!
Re: Good Decision
RE: 65 442 Question
Re: Good Decision
Re: 65 442 Question
"Proper" OP Priming Tool!
Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!
saw 66 442 pcs today
RE: 65 442 Question
Can anyone tell me what this piece of paper means?
Shoulder harness for 72 Cutlass Conv't
Re: Can anyone tell me what this piece of paper means?
ooops starter #1108333, this one also dated 1969
Re: Good Decision
Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!
Re: 65 442 Question
Re: ooops starter #1108333, this one also dated 1969
Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!
Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!
Olds at Barrett-Jackson

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:52:53 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Headcount (was Re: looking for 1970 magizine)

On Fri, 19 Mar 2004, Andrew C. Green wrote:
> On this particular list, it's not set up that way: pressing Reply is 
> essentially the same as pressing Reply All; you're addressing, what, several 
> hundred people here (Greg? Any headcount recently?), so be careful what 
> you're going to confess to.  :-)

Last time I checked, we were at about 500 members.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 15:59:02 -0600
From: texas442@texas442.com
Subject: 4-Core Radiator recommendation

I am upgrading to a 4-Core Radiator on my 1972 Cutlass (350) to get ready for 
the Hot Summer in Texas.  Has anyone ordered a new radiator recently?  If so, 
can you recommend a place to order it from?  Thanks.

Ali
Austin, Texas

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:03:29 -0600
From: "Clark, Pat" <PClark@Ignition.com>
Subject: Back with a Radiator question

Well,

I am back after a couple of years of bickering with my wife over selling the
69 442. I would get fed up and want to sell it, she would flatly refuse (god
bless that woman....)

My first question back is:
I am going to replace the radiator due to dry rot. Any advice on where to
get it? I have looked online at various sites such as RadiatorBarn, etc..
Anyone have any recommendations? Is the 4-core radiator in the 69 442 the
same as the one in a 69 Delta?
Any upgrades recommended?

Thanks ahead  

Pat Clark
IGNITION INC.
P 972-516-8700
F 972-516-8690

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:05:53 -0600
From: "Clark, Pat" <PClark@Ignition.com>
Subject: RE: 4-Core Radiator recommendation

I just asked the same question from Texas. You beat me by about 2 sec on the
send button! Where in Texas are you at? I am up in McKinney.

Pat Clark
IGNITION INC.
P 972-516-8700
F 972-516-8690


- -----Original Message-----
From: texas442@texas442.com [mailto:texas442@texas442.com]
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:59 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 4-Core Radiator recommendation


I am upgrading to a 4-Core Radiator on my 1972 Cutlass (350) to get ready
for 
the Hot Summer in Texas.  Has anyone ordered a new radiator recently?  If
so, 
can you recommend a place to order it from?  Thanks.

Ali
Austin, Texas

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:34:52 -0600
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Subject: Good Decision

Last night I pulled the final two stuck pistons out of a seized 425, my
prize of last year that I occasionally write about to the list with
questions.  

I removed the nice looking crank, take out the last piston, remove the
main bearings.  I notice cracks in the webs of mains 2, 3 and 4. Right
to the cam bearings.  Ouch.  The '66 block is done like dinner, and my
option to build a 425 becomes but a fleeting memory.  

Long story short, today was quite nice out (7*C) so I took the day off
work and made a plan to collect a DX 350 block from a lead derived from
the local free want ads.  It was located in a farming community about an
hour north of Winnipeg.  A give away diesel. I headed out at 8:30 am
after dropping off the children.  Guys' farm is really nice, everything
is well organized.  Vendor is about 60 years old, great guy to talk to,
loves Oldsmobiles, has about 4 really old ones and a late 70's 442
sitting in his quanset.  Then his 86 year old _dad_ from a neighbouring
home (on the same farm) joins us in the garage as we stare at the DX on
the floor.  As we load the short block into the Toro (my parts "truck")
we talk about many Olds, driven or owned.  They love my Toro, its 403,
the exhaust note.  Put some air in the rear shocks to level the Toro out
a bit.   Vendor mentions that there's not many guys that are interested
in Olds these days.  Invites us to his house and we sit around  drinking
coffee and eating peanut butter cookies until my "time" conscience (a
horrible disease) drives me to beg pardon and take my leave.  Vendor
invites me back for more coffee whenever "you wanna talk about Olds".  I
paid him 40 bucks for the block, because its really a complete cherry
low-mile unit, and was running a few weeks ago until it blew a head
gasket (of course).  He said it would have just rotted if I dint take
it, finally accepted some cash. 

Bad start to this project, but this very cool experience more than made
up for it.  The DX gets the 425's crank. 

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:38:06 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: looking for 1970 magizine

we both knew it was on the list. 
now if it were more personal id have gone off list
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: looking for 1970 magizine


> >Well Andy...most of the email contained Olds stuff in it....LOL
> 
> No, no, don't misunderstand me; I'm not trying to be List Censor here, but 
> we get a lot of people hitting their Reply button and thinking that it's 
> configured to send email to the original poster only.
> 
> On this particular list, it's not set up that way: pressing Reply is 
> essentially the same as pressing Reply All; you're addressing, what, several 
> hundred people here (Greg? Any headcount recently?), so be careful what 
> you're going to confess to.  :-)
> 
> Now returning us all to Olds discussion...
> 
> -- Andy
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:40:07 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Back with a Radiator question

buy a brand name, not that import junk  every one carries.
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Clark, Pat" <PClark@Ignition.com>
To: "OLDS LIST (E-mail)" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 5:03 PM
Subject: Back with a Radiator question


> Well,
> 
> I am back after a couple of years of bickering with my wife over selling the
> 69 442. I would get fed up and want to sell it, she would flatly refuse (god
> bless that woman....)
> 
> My first question back is:
> I am going to replace the radiator due to dry rot. Any advice on where to
> get it? I have looked online at various sites such as RadiatorBarn, etc..
> Anyone have any recommendations? Is the 4-core radiator in the 69 442 the
> same as the one in a 69 Delta?
> Any upgrades recommended?
> 
> Thanks ahead  
> 
> Pat Clark
> IGNITION INC.
> P 972-516-8700
> F 972-516-8690
> 

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 14:49:38 -0800 (PST)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: W-31 heads - COMPLETE!!!

- --0-856483347-1079736578=:13773
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

can I have a drum roll please.
 
Last night Jim Lapikas of J&S Machines informed me he has completed the rebuild of my legit #5 W-31 cylinder heads.  The following link to pictures will be of interest for those who like to see pictures.
 
http://community.webshots.com/album/124263972DftbuC
 
The short block is up next.  My ATI flexplate should be at Jim's shop and my rebuilt balancer (and some other goodies) from Supercars Unlimited is on its way to Jim.  When they arrive, the reciprocating assembly will be balanced.
 
Chris (misty eyed, proud papa) Smetana
grp442@yahoo.com
 
1969 W-31 with freshly rebuilt heads courtesy of J&S Machine!!!!!
1970 F-85 that has to be emissions tested
1969 442 parts car
1970 F-85 parts car sitting in Ohio
and a whole mess of parts for sale

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<DIV>can I have a drum roll please.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Last night Jim Lapikas of J&amp;S Machines informed me he has completed the rebuild of my legit #5 W-31 cylinder heads.&nbsp; The following link to pictures will be of interest for those who like to see pictures.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://community.webshots.com/album/124263972DftbuC">http://community.webshots.com/album/124263972DftbuC</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The short block is up next.&nbsp; My ATI flexplate should be at Jim's shop and my rebuilt balancer (and some other goodies) from Supercars Unlimited is on its way to Jim.&nbsp; When they arrive, the reciprocating assembly will be balanced.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Chris (misty eyed, proud papa) Smetana</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:grp442@yahoo.com">grp442@yahoo.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1969 W-31 with freshly rebuilt heads courtesy of J&amp;S Machine!!!!!</DIV>
<DIV>1970 F-85 that has to be emissions tested</DIV>
<DIV>1969 442 parts car</DIV>
<DIV>1970 F-85 parts car sitting in Ohio</DIV>
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:08:37 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Good Decision

Or get a 455 block to replace the 425 block. Also, Ron Fama has done
outstanding work tracking down the man who did all of CrankShaft Company's
cranks and the Dyna-Rev modification. He's now in North Carolina. He's
willing to build more Dyna-Revs.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:34 PM
Subject: Good Decision


> Last night I pulled the final two stuck pistons out of a seized 425, my
> prize of last year that I occasionally write about to the list with
> questions.
>
> I removed the nice looking crank, take out the last piston, remove the
> main bearings.  I notice cracks in the webs of mains 2, 3 and 4. Right
> to the cam bearings.  Ouch.  The '66 block is done like dinner, and my
> option to build a 425 becomes but a fleeting memory.
>
> Long story short, today was quite nice out (7*C) so I took the day off
> work and made a plan to collect a DX 350 block from a lead derived from
> the local free want ads.  It was located in a farming community about an
> hour north of Winnipeg.  A give away diesel. I headed out at 8:30 am
> after dropping off the children.  Guys' farm is really nice, everything
> is well organized.  Vendor is about 60 years old, great guy to talk to,
> loves Oldsmobiles, has about 4 really old ones and a late 70's 442
> sitting in his quanset.  Then his 86 year old _dad_ from a neighbouring
> home (on the same farm) joins us in the garage as we stare at the DX on
> the floor.  As we load the short block into the Toro (my parts "truck")
> we talk about many Olds, driven or owned.  They love my Toro, its 403,
> the exhaust note.  Put some air in the rear shocks to level the Toro out
> a bit.   Vendor mentions that there's not many guys that are interested
> in Olds these days.  Invites us to his house and we sit around  drinking
> coffee and eating peanut butter cookies until my "time" conscience (a
> horrible disease) drives me to beg pardon and take my leave.  Vendor
> invites me back for more coffee whenever "you wanna talk about Olds".  I
> paid him 40 bucks for the block, because its really a complete cherry
> low-mile unit, and was running a few weeks ago until it blew a head
> gasket (of course).  He said it would have just rotted if I dint take
> it, finally accepted some cash.
>
> Bad start to this project, but this very cool experience more than made
> up for it.  The DX gets the 425's crank.
>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 16:13:50 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: W-31 heads - COMPLETE!!!

Chris,

Didn't you say that Jim Lapikas of J&S Machine does head porting work on
Olds heads? If so, is he set in his ways on Olds heads, or is he open minded
and willing to do different things and not follow the crowd?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 23:39:44 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Good Decision

At 04:08 PM 3/19/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Or get a 455 block to replace the 425 block. Also, Ron Fama has done
>outstanding work tracking down the man who did all of CrankShaft Company's
>cranks and the Dyna-Rev modification. He's now in North Carolina. He's
>willing to build more Dyna-Revs.

???????????????????

And what, pray tell, was the "Dyna-Rev" modification???????????

Thanks,
SteveH

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:48:27 -0500
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: 65 442 Question

In '65, the floor-shift 3-spd (M-12) was optional on all F-85s and Cutlass,
including 442 optioned cars.  Consoles were not available on F-85s, nor were
buckets.  The 3-spd shift pattern is on all of the consoles, and a 4-spd
pattern'd plate was installed over the 3-spd pattern on the 4-spd cars.  The
4-spd was the only floor shift option on the Vista.
The '65 M-12 was also the first year of the heavy duty 3-speed Ford
transmission that carried through '69.


Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '99 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Eric Beaupre
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 12:19 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 65 442 Question
>
>
> I'm looking at a 65 442 and have a couple quick questions.  I've visited
> 442.com and other sites and I'm fairly sure the car I'm looking at is an
> original 442.  It has the 4V on the body tag and the correct
> casting number
> on the block.  The question I have is about the trans.  It's a 3 on the
> floor.
>
> Was this ever offered?  On one of the pages I saw there were 90
> 3-on-the-trees offered but no mention of a 3 on the floor.  The
> console even
> has a 3-speed marking:
>
> R 2
> |-|
> 1 3
>
> The console also doesn't have a gage on it.  Did all 442s have the gage at
> the top of the console?  Was this a console from a Cutlass or did someone
> replace the 4 speed shift pattern markings with that from a 3-speed?  The
> owner says the shift linkage doesn't work very well for 2nd gear
> which also
> makes me think it's not original.  He also has an M-21 which he's throwing
> in so I guess if that not the original tranny I'd toss the M-21 in it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks
>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 18:49:57 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Good Decision

they add two counter weights to the ctr of the forged  crankshaft's
popular in the 70's several nhra race teams had it done.
milton can fill you in on the rest.
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: Good Decision


> At 04:08 PM 3/19/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> >Or get a 455 block to replace the 425 block. Also, Ron Fama has done
> >outstanding work tracking down the man who did all of CrankShaft Company's
> >cranks and the Dyna-Rev modification. He's now in North Carolina. He's
> >willing to build more Dyna-Revs.
> 
> ???????????????????
> 
> And what, pray tell, was the "Dyna-Rev" modification???????????
> 
> Thanks,
> SteveH
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 02:57:09 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: 65 442 Question

> The question I have is about the trans.  It's a 3 on the
> floor.
> 
> Was this ever offered?  

Sales manual sez:

"A heavy-duty 3-speed synchomesh transmission with steering column gearshift is
furnished and a four-on-the-floor, with or without console, and Jetaway with a
steering column control or a T-handle console shift are available. Both manual
transmissions have a heavy-duty clutch."

> On one of the pages I saw there were 90
> 3-on-the-trees offered but no mention of a 3 on the floor.

Also sez:

"3-speed Synchromesh Transmission - High-capacity column-shift transmission:
Standard in all Dynamic 88s and Jetstar I.  Regular column-shift transmission:
Standard in Jetstar 88s, Vista-Cruisers and F-85s.  Floor-shift 3-speed
synchromesh transmission: Available in all Vista-Cruisers and F-85 models."

> The console also doesn't have a gage on it.  Did all 442s have the gage at
> the top of the console?

"442 Performance Package" info makes no mention of a guage as standard or
available.

"D55 Sports Console" - Includes tachometer with Jetaway or performance guage
with synchromesh, map case and rear compartment courtesy lamp."

Console illustration (Jetaway version) - "Illuminated Tachometer (Performance 
guage with synchromesh transmission)".  The latter bit about the performance 
guage is crossed out, leading me to believe it was discontinued by the factory. 
So synchros either had no guage, or the tach in it's place.

Paul

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:37:01 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!

Did you know on GM motors that only ONE side of the lifter gallery recieves 
oil when you try to prime the engine without this tool? (last months Car 
Craft Mag)AND also,you can make one from an old distributor?
===========
from:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33732&item=2467205995

I sent the advertiser this:

That is SO not true. Please try to explain how that might occur, as the tool 
simply turns the oil pump. Must be a Chevy trick, because Olds does NOT run 
the dist'r thru any oil passages which might be affected by the presence of 
the dist'r housing.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 04:05:18 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!

At 10:37 PM 3/19/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Did you know on GM motors that only ONE side of the lifter gallery recieves 
>oil when you try to prime the engine without this tool? (last months Car 
>Craft Mag)AND also,you can make one from an old distributor?
>===========
>from:
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33732&ite
m=2467205995
>
>I sent the advertiser this:
>
>That is SO not true. Please try to explain how that might occur, as the tool 
>simply turns the oil pump. Must be a Chevy trick, because Olds does NOT run 
>the dist'r thru any oil passages which might be affected by the presence of 
>the dist'r housing.

Nor does Pontiac, nor B*ick, I suspect (due to their front-mounted
distributor). No idea bout Caddy.

Also, they're rightly called ENGINES  ;o\  ;o\  ;o\

SteveH

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 23:20:03 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: saw 66 442 pcs today

Crappier than I had hoped, have some pix now.
4-spd console with vacuum gage, but top chromey part pretty badly pitted.
Nice 442-only taillite asms. die cast pitted and broken a little. Lenses OK
Convert. visors w/ mounts, door panels in black, rear side panels too.

Dash from 66 convert, with switch in place for top. Pad has crack, dash 
plastic not bad. No Rallye Pack.
66 442 R Bumper

1967 442 Rad support, grille, grille bar, 1 dinged headlight bezel. Core 
support I would rate as poor- not rusted too bad, but bent here and there.

67 Cs [not Supreme] R bumper, OK cond.

Decklid w/ trim- cannot recall how to ID 442 vs Cs trim and 66 vs 67
OLDSMOBILE are not each in a box, and rib on untextured form is only at top 
on this unit.

Decklid OK but has lip rust.

Also got a few starters today, 1111833 is one, isn't that the 68-9 H/O unit?

Anyhow, Lots of pix of the 330 parts now, most items cleaned and bagged, 
notable exceptions the oil pan. Very complete. Very nice, low miles, instant 
330, or easy W31-ish 350.

Any interest at all?
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 20:32:22 -0800
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: RE: 65 442 Question

My '65 is a 4-speed, but one thing to consider is that the 3 and 4 speed
floor consoles are the same. If it was a 4-spd car, they would have drilled
holes in the 3-spd pattern and placed a plate on top with the 4-spd pattern.

You can get these 4-speed plates reproduced from The Parts Place.

I would guess that besides making sure you have all the correct emblems
(side "wing" emblems, rear tail panel, dash and grille), 2 other things that
I believe are unique to factory 442 cars is the fuel line and the boxed
control arms. Check your rear control arms to make sure they are boxed.
Also, the 442 cars had a larger fuel line (5/8ths?) - can't remember exactly
but someone on the list must know.

The Oldsmobile ID book I have shows RPO code M12 for 3-spd floor shift in
'65. But it doesn't specify if that was or wasn't available with the 442
option.

Finally, I was looking through some of the old '65 literature I have, and in
no place does it mention a 3-speed floor shift available on 442. According
to everything I've been able to dig up, the standard transmission was a
3-spd column, with optional 4-spd FLOOR with or without console, and 2-spd
auto either floor or column shift. 

So, either you have something rare, or something unusual is going on.

- ------------------------------
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:19:01 -0600
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: 65 442 Question

I'm looking at a 65 442 and have a couple quick questions.  I've visited
442.com and other sites and I'm fairly sure the car I'm looking at is an
original 442.  It has the 4V on the body tag and the correct casting number
on the block.  The question I have is about the trans.  It's a 3 on the
floor.

Was this ever offered?  On one of the pages I saw there were 90
3-on-the-trees offered but no mention of a 3 on the floor.  The console even
has a 3-speed marking:

R 2
|-|
1 3

The console also doesn't have a gage on it.  Did all 442s have the gage at
the top of the console?  Was this a console from a Cutlass or did someone
replace the 4 speed shift pattern markings with that from a 3-speed?  The
owner says the shift linkage doesn't work very well for 2nd gear which also
makes me think it's not original.  He also has an M-21 which he's throwing
in so I guess if that not the original tranny I'd toss the M-21 in it.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

- ------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 20:51:38 -0800
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: Can anyone tell me what this piece of paper means?

During the process of putting new covers on the seats of the 1965 442 I'm
restoring, I found a piece of paper stapled underneath the drivers seat.

Since this is my dad's car and he's the original owner, I assume this is an
original document. It looks like an RPO listing, but I can't find any of
these codes. There are also some other funny numbers. I'm hoping someone on
the list can tell me what this is and what the numbers might mean. It's a
hand-written piece of paper, FYI.

(566) (this number is circled) 33837 7225
957 A49 - A50
B12 - B16 - B30
B50 - B52 - D15

D

32 - D55 - M21
V80 -

That's it. Any ideas?

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:32:17 -0800 (PST)
From: Brett <estiaat@yahoo.com>
Subject: Shoulder harness for 72 Cutlass Conv't

Hi all,

I have a 72 Cutlass Supreme convertible in which I have evidence that it
originally had front seat shoulder harnesses.  I am interested in replacing
them.  I have info on the 71 convertible harnesses (thanks Steve).  I
understand there are differences between the 72s and earlier setups.  I have
heard several stories on those differences.  Some say that the 72s used
different size buckles, or a unique setup where the harness belt was captured
somehow within the seat belt buckle setup.  I also heard they were mounted
reversed from the earlier ones (buckle and tang locations were reversed).  I am
very interested in finding out the truth on this.

Does anybody have a 72 with factory shoulder belts?  Can you please outline, or
better yet, photograph it?   How about any literature for the 72's.  The
manuals do not even menion the harnesses.  Also, if anybody knows, can I get
buckles and tangs from other cars from a junkyard or swap meet?  If so, which
years and models?  By the way, my belts are the deluxe ones with chrome
buckles.  

Any insight you all can provide would be greatly appreciated.

Brett Chaveriat
estiaat@yahoo.com
72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible - Radiant Green


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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 21:41:09 -0800 (PST)
From: Frank Fellman <frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Can anyone tell me what this piece of paper means?

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Looks like he just hand-wrote what the body style was, along with the options.
 
33837 7225
 
3 - Olds
38 - '65-'66 F85 Cutlass
37 - 2-door Holiday coupe
 
7225 - I've no idea.
 
957 - I'm guessing paint color... could be wrong.
 
The rest are options... M21 I think is tranny, but don't know what one.
 
There are some on this amazing list who'll very likely be able to decode
all of these... you've definitely come to the right place!
 
             Good luck!                   Phantom455
 
========================================================

Albert Penello <albert@albertpenello.com> wrote:

During the process of putting new covers on the seats of the 1965 442 I'm
restoring, I found a piece of paper stapled underneath the drivers seat.

Since this is my dad's car and he's the original owner, I assume this is an
original document. It looks like an RPO listing, but I can't find any of
these codes. There are also some other funny numbers. I'm hoping someone on
the list can tell me what this is and what the numbers might mean. It's a
hand-written piece of paper, FYI.

(566) (this number is circled) 33837 7225
957 A49 - A50
B12 - B16 - B30
B50 - B52 - D15

D

32 - D55 - M21
V80 -

That's it. Any ideas?


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<DIV>Looks like he just hand-wrote what the body style was, along with the options.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>33837 7225</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>3 - Olds</DIV>
<DIV>38 - '65-'66 F85 Cutlass</DIV>
<DIV>37 - 2-door Holiday coupe</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>7225 - I've no idea.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>957 - I'm guessing paint color... could be wrong.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The rest are options... M21 I think is tranny, but don't know what one.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>There are some on this amazing list who'll very likely be able to decode</DIV>
<DIV>all of these... you've definitely come to the right place!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Good luck!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phantom455</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>========================================================<BR><BR><B><I>Albert Penello &lt;albert@albertpenello.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">
<P>During the process of putting new covers on the seats of the 1965 442 I'm<BR>restoring, I found a piece of paper stapled underneath the drivers seat.<BR><BR>Since this is my dad's car and he's the original owner, I assume this is an<BR>original document. It looks like an RPO listing, but I can't find any of<BR>these codes. There are also some other funny numbers. I'm hoping someone on<BR>the list can tell me what this is and what the numbers might mean. It's a<BR>hand-written piece of paper, FYI.<BR><BR>(566) (this number is circled) 33837 7225<BR>957 A49 - A50<BR>B12 - B16 - B30<BR>B50 - B52 - D15<BR><BR>D<BR><BR>32 - D55 - M21<BR>V80 -<BR><BR>That's it. Any ideas?<BR></P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 00:53:46 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: ooops starter #1108333, this one also dated 1969

similar to the other one I have.
Dated 9F11 = 1969, June 11th

Also have starters:
1108776-5E
1108430-J27 [?? weird date code Letter-#-# or Letter-27, not #-Letter-##]
1109064-7L30 [more typical date code]
Numberless unit from the '67 330- HT unit, has 2 leads thru the case.

and about 100 more I have not ck'd numbers on yet.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 23:14:27 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Good Decision

> And what, pray tell, was the "Dyna-Rev" modification???????????


You forgot the spec sheet on Thunder?

Two more counterweights added to the crank in the center for a total of 8
counterweights. It makes the crank incredibly strong, increases torque
output by acting as a heavy flywheel, without the disadvantages of a heavy
flywheel, and instantly releases stored potential energy on launch to more
easily overcome the car's inertia of rest.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 23:56:07 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!

I'm sorry, but "Dan" is a liar. Rip his throat out Chris. What he's saying
about oiling in a GM V8 is total bull. In addition, he sure believes his own
swill about his "pristine" unaltered set of K heads, worth $1200.

This ad reminds me of my pet peeve about the internet: the lack of honesty.
The internet is impersonal. There are no repercussions of someone rips
another off or dises someone. Witness realoldspower.com. I've got a
different standard that many times doesn't match with the anarchy of the
internet.

eBay is running a series of ads on TV proclaiming the great advantages of
buying everything one needs on eBay. Right. Buy on eBay and take your
chances.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 8:37 PM
Subject: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!


> Did you know on GM motors that only ONE side of the lifter gallery
recieves
> oil when you try to prime the engine without this tool? (last months Car
> Craft Mag)AND also,you can make one from an old distributor?
> ===========
> from:
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33732&item
=2467205995
>
> I sent the advertiser this:
>
> That is SO not true. Please try to explain how that might occur, as the
tool
> simply turns the oil pump. Must be a Chevy trick, because Olds does NOT
run
> the dist'r thru any oil passages which might be affected by the presence
of
> the dist'r housing.
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by
> ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 00:07:13 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 65 442 Question

> Also, the 442 cars had a larger fuel line (5/8ths?) - can't remember
exactly
> but someone on the list must know.


3/8" fuel line.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 00:09:57 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: ooops starter #1108333, this one also dated 1969

> Numberless unit from the '67 330- HT unit, has 2 leads thru the case.


That's a high torque starter. One lead is for the 3 field coils and the
other lead is for the shunt coil.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 06:48:51 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!

where did you getbthat from.
i use a 5/16 sicket welded to 1/4 inch drive extension  long enough to reach  1 inch above intake
its  end had been modified to fit a drill and  thats how i did it.
never heard of it oiling one side. please explain
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 10:37 PM
Subject: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!


> Did you know on GM motors that only ONE side of the lifter gallery recieves
> oil when you try to prime the engine without this tool? (last months Car
> Craft Mag)AND also,you can make one from an old distributor?
> ===========
> from:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33732&item=2467205995
>
> I sent the advertiser this:
>
> That is SO not true. Please try to explain how that might occur, as the tool
> simply turns the oil pump. Must be a Chevy trick, because Olds does NOT run
> the dist'r thru any oil passages which might be affected by the presence of
> the dist'r housing.
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by
> ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 07:37:17 -0500
From: Joe Vitek <joevitek@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!

Infinite Space Systems, Inc. wrote:
> This ad reminds me of my pet peeve about the internet: the lack of honesty.

Yeah, caveat emptor as you and the rest of us always say.

> The internet is impersonal. There are no repercussions of someone rips
> another off or dises someone.

Unless there is a contract involved. Then you have legal recourse.

> Witness realoldspower.com. I've got a
> different standard that many times doesn't match with the anarchy of the
> internet.

Spoken like a true Republican! (that's a compliment). Then again, your 
standards are relatively high just like any other honest, well brought 
up, person.

That's why we all love ya, Milton :)

> eBay is running a series of ads on TV proclaiming the great advantages of
> buying everything one needs on eBay. Right. Buy on eBay and take your
> chances.

Contractual and there is recourse. Of course, just like in the more 
heavily gov't controlled world, you have to beware.

I'll take minimum anarchy over the too heavily gov't controlled world 
anyday.

- --
joe vitek

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 09:07:14 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Olds at Barrett-Jackson

Anyone catch the Barrett-Jackson Palm Beach auction on Speed last night?
They had a group of GM Collection cars on the block. Apparently GM is
thinning out its corporate car collection and decided to sell them here. A
lot of them last night were Olds IRL pace and support vehicles. None of
them brought big money. 2001 Aurora pace cars, Bravada and Silhouette
support vehicles, all with very distictive paint schemes, all seemed to be
selling in the $12-15K range. Disappointing.

Actually, unlike the Scottsdale auction, nothing seemed to be bringing big
money last night. There were a few cars that sold for what I thought were
crazy low prices, especially non-Ch*vys.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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