
oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, March 24 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4829



Re: Wheel bearing races - replace?
Re: Has anyone seen this
RE: 65 442 Question
Re: Has anyone seen this
Re: Has anyone seen this
Re: lead additive
I'm Back!
Re: lead additive
Re: 4-Core Radiator Recommendation
Re: Has anyone seen this
RE: Has anyone seen this
Re: rolling Olds parts bin, was Has anyone seen this
RE: Has anyone seen this
RE: Has anyone seen this
info needed for underdash radio
Re: info needed for underdash radio
RE: info needed for underdash radio
Re: 4-Core Radiator Recommendation
RE: I'm Back!
A New Olds in the Family!
Re: Has anyone seen this
Re: rolling Olds parts bin, was Has anyone seen this
58 Olds Hearse
Re: A New Olds in the Family!
RE: A New Olds in the Family!

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 05:57:08 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Wheel bearing races - replace?

That's what I was thinking, just wanted a confirmation from those that 
have more experience.
Back to selling redundant junk, er, *merchandise* on eVil to pay for 
the tubular upper a-arms and all the front end rebuild bits to go with 
the spindles...

krw
On Mar 22, 2004, at 1:09 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:30:16 -0700
> From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> Subject: Re: Wheel bearing races - replace?
>
>> and they came with
>> bearing races installed. Should I just use those with the new 
>> bearings,
>
>
> Yes, as long as they are the correct races for your bearings and
> application. Races and cone bearings are not matched as new. Used, 
> that's a
> different story. If used, they must be kept matched, like on 
> differential
> side bearings or when repacking front wheel bearings, keep the right 
> on the
> right and the left on the left.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:29:46 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this

If it's actually a "test mule" with a Toro drivetrain, there would have  
been substantial mods to the chassis to accommodate the FWD drivetrain.  
They would have just slapped the body panels back on in something  
resembling the original order. Test mules weren't known for their fit  
and finish. I bet it's genuine.
Look at the hubs - they're way out where they should be for a toro  
transaxle. Toro wheels on a regular '64 would probably rub against the  
inner fender. You can clearly see the brake drum almost flush with the  
fender line.

krw
On Mar 23, 2004, at 2:23 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 16:10:33 -0700
> From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this
>
> That's not an "original factory photo." Someone put Toronado wheels on  
> a '64
> Olds big car that has all the emblems missing and the body is beat.  
> Look
> real close. Fenders and hood don't line up. There are irregularities  
> in the
> body panels. Another eBay rip off hoax. Someone took a black&white  
> photo of
> their '64 Olds with Toro wheels and is trying to pass it off as a  
> factory
> photo.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene Gatti" <64f-85@comcast.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 2:09 PM
> Subject: Has anyone seen this
>
>
>>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
> ViewItem&item=3668166870&category=10777
>>
>> Are they Toronado wheels on a big '64 Olds?  Does it have an engine in
>> the back?
>> Hmmm,
>> Gene
>>
>>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                          
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                              
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans:  
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31!  
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be  
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:34:33 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: 65 442 Question

Unrelated, but I still want a larger version of the Rocket Girl on the 
bottom of your page... Er, that is a larger *picture* - I'm happily 
married :)

krw
On Mar 23, 2004, at 2:23 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 21:35:26 -0500
> From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
> Subject: RE: 65 442 Question
>
> Better yet, here are pics of mine, (including the FoMoCo logo)2 from 
> the
> driver side, and one from the pass side:
> http://www.wmachines.shubes.net/temp/postings1.html
>
> Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
> http://wmachines.shubes.net
> '65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
> '67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
> '92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '99 Expedition (no-speed)
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
>> Systems, Inc.
>> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 2:09 PM
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>> Subject: Re: 65 442 Question
>>
>>
>> Hmmmmmmmmmm. Why can't I remember ever running into one? I only
>> remember the
>> 3-speed HD Saginaws. Yeah, I know, approaching senility......
>>
>> Out of curiosity, can you use the Hurst transmission I.D. page
>> and point out
>> which Ford top-loader 3-speed looks like yours??? I'll have to talk 
>> to my
>> Ford expert.
>>
>> http://mrgasket.com/pdf/hurst2001transid.pdf
>>
>> Milton Schick
>> 1964 442 Cutlass
>> imp@theriver.com
>>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:41:03 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this

On Mar 23, 2004, at 2:23 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 22:51:05 -0700
> From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this
>
>> If this car just had Toronado wheels added then
>> shouldn't the tires be further inboard? I'd think these wheels would
>> need spacers to move the tire out to the correct position.
>
>
> Why? The Toro wheels should have the same type of offset as any other
> factory wheel. The bolt pattern is 5 X 5. I don't recollect any special
> wheel sizing for Toros. Don Hodges, a co-worker at the speedshop, had 
> a '68
> Toro with Ansen Sprints -- machined aluminum slotted wheels. No big 
> deal
> getting custom wheels. The stock Toro wheels should fit anything with 
> a 5 X
> 5 wheel pattern.

Do what?
OK, Milton, c'mon man -  have you *looked* at Toro wheels? They have 
MASSIVE positive offset. They're like 15x7 wheels with 7" or better 
backspacing. The mounting surface is out even with the bead or past it! 
You ever seen a Toro with regular-offset wheels? It looks like those 
low-riders with the reverse-offset wheels sticking way out of the 
fenders. Looks awful(ly stupid.) Even the later models were this way, 
like all front-drivers, though not as drastic as the early Toros. 4x4 
S-10s and Blazers have the same issue.
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:46:07 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this

Not if what was being tested was the drivetrain. Appearance is  
inconsequential in that case - they just want to see what breaks.
You should see some of the test mules for the '86 Mazda RX-7. Mazda 
crammed the wider all-new all-independent 2nd-generation suspension 
under a smaller first-generation chassis through judicious use of 
fender flares and other fiberglas bits. It looked *rough*, but all they 
were testing was how the suspension worked, so who cares? Test mules 
get BEAT, that's their function.

krw
On Mar 23, 2004, at 2:23 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:09:15 -0700
> From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this
>
> Look at the rectangular opening in the center of the front bumper. The
> center of the bumper has been hit and the opening is crooked. A test 
> mule
> vehicle would be kept in good shape, if for no other reason to make it
> presentable to GM brass. That '64 Olds big car is **not** in good 
> shape on
> the exterior. Again, note the hood and fender misalignment. It's very
> obvious.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 09:26:15 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: lead additive

At 10:52 AM 03/22/2004 -0700, Milton wrote:
>Tetra-ethyl lead always had 2 main functions in gasoline, a cheap way to
>raise the octane level and to lubricate the valve seats, period.

Heh, aside from a recollection I have from around 10 years ago of an
old-timer, a mechanic at a dealership no less, say that lead was never used
as a lubricant..... definitely a guy who should've known better...

Um, that aside, I think I've also had a misunderstanding of how the
tetra-ethyl lead worked.  I thought that it wasn't so much to lubricate the
valves as to basically replace the material on the valves/seats as they
were lost by wear....

I never thought that explanation made a whole lot of sense, though.

So, ok, to make sure I've got it right, not counting the octane-boost
ability, the tetra-ethyl lead actually lubricated things to prevent the
softer valve/seat material of the time from wearing, rather than actually
"repairing" wear on-the-fly....

That clears it up quite a bit for me!


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 06:44:56 -0800 (PST)
From: J Pajak <ransomeliolds@yahoo.com>
Subject: I'm Back!

After a lengthly absence I am back!

What did I miss?

LOL




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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:00:41 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: lead additive

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I've had my '56 Benz since 1981. I've always used 93 Octane Unleaded. I've 
just had a new clutch installed and other general maintenance done, but the 
engine has never been rebuilt, nor have the valves been done, and I've never had a 
problem. Just one guy's experience.

Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92 Eldo

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 07:27:12 -0800 (PST)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 4-Core Radiator Recommendation

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I thought I'd add my 2 cents on this.  For a radiator, National Automotive Lines.  They carry Modine.  As for a price, I don't know but many listmembers in the past have said they are about the best.  They are located 1 hour south of Indy, so shipping may play a role.
 
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I did the same thing as Kenneth did for my 70 W31 last year.  I 
replaced my
3-core with the 4 core high efficiency and kept my original tanks.  No
<snip>
Dan Bodine
70 W31 4 speed
71 442
- -----------------------------
Dan,
You're W-31 had a 3-core????  Interesting.  I thought all W-31s were required to have heavy duty cooling, meaning you got a 4 core radiator.  I don't remember that part of your car when I saw it back in Oct before the Volo cruise, but obviously when us Chicago area guys get together again I'd be interested in taking a look.
 
Chris
grp442@yahoo.com
 
1969 W-31  with freshly rebuilt heads!!!!!
1970 F-85  which needs to be emissions tested
1969 442 parts car
1970 F-85 parts car
plus a whole bunch of parts for sale

 

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<DIV>I thought I'd add my 2 cents on this.&nbsp; For a radiator, National Automotive Lines.&nbsp; They carry Modine.&nbsp; As for a price, I don't know but many listmembers in the past have said they are about the best.&nbsp; They are located 1 hour south of Indy, so shipping&nbsp;may play a role.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>------------------------------<BR>I did the same thing as Kenneth did for my 70 W31 last year.&nbsp; I <BR>replaced my<BR>3-core with the 4 core high efficiency and kept my original tanks.&nbsp; No</DIV>
<DIV>&lt;snip&gt;<BR>Dan Bodine<BR>70 W31 4 speed<BR>71 442</DIV>
<DIV>-----------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>Dan,</DIV>
<DIV>You're W-31 had a 3-core????&nbsp; Interesting.&nbsp; I thought all W-31s were required to have heavy duty cooling, meaning you got a 4 core radiator.&nbsp; I don't remember that part of your car when I saw it back in Oct before the Volo cruise, but obviously when us Chicago area guys get together again I'd be interested in taking a look.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Chris</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:grp442@yahoo.com">grp442@yahoo.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1969 W-31&nbsp; with freshly rebuilt heads!!!!!</DIV>
<DIV>1970 F-85&nbsp; which needs to be emissions tested</DIV>
<DIV>1969 442 parts car</DIV>
<DIV>1970 F-85 parts car</DIV>
<DIV>plus a whole&nbsp;bunch of parts for sale</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:37:01 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this

> That's not an "original factory photo." 

It is, in fact, a factory photo of the test mule for the Toronado powertrain.
Olds was at a point where the body was still in the design stages and they
certainly didn't want to give away any design secrets.  But engineering needed
to test the drivetrain in the real world, so they stuffed the drivetrain into
this '64 88.  It was a registered vehicle, because it needed to accumulate
quite a bit of mileage in real world conditions.  They were trying to do this
in-cognito, and that is why the vehicle looks the way it does - to try and 
throw people off the trail.  You have to remember this was the advent of
modern front wheel drive and it all had to be a closely guarded secret.  You
will notice that those front fenders (that don't line up) are specially 
contructed.  Not only do they have a larger opening, as someone already pointed
out - but they are longer behind the wheel opening as well.  This to allow room
for all the Toronado powertrain components - typical of the stock vehicle.
Appearance of the vehicle to corporate brass at this time was not issue, as
corporate brass was the main offices in Lansing and Detroit and the mule was
running around in desert country accumulating mileage.  I believe this photo
appeared with the article concerning the Toronado in the '66 Car of the Year
Motor Trend issue.

Paul

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:53:24 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Has anyone seen this

>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3668166870&category=10777

After some squinting at this photo and a long read through all the replies 
in this thread, I'm going to vote that it's a genuine factory photo of... 
well, something... and the powertrain evaluation theory makes sense.

As test mules, cars were indeed made up from _anything_, for various 
reasons: the production body stampings weren't ready yet (particularly for 
new models); the car needed to be disguised; etc. There are any number of 
test mule photos in print that show how hodge-podge they could be.

For example, John D. Robertson's excellent "Pictorial History of Chevrolet" 
4-volume series has a great photo of a 1955 Bel Air prototype with an entire 
1954 front clip somehow installed on it. Elsewhere I've seen a 
horrible-looking prototype of would be the 1982 Camaro with an incredibly 
crude rear window fabricated in place of the upcoming huge glass tailgate. 
These are not disguises over a completed car design; they're attempts to 
build a car in the first place, for testing something other than body fit. 
(I think John Robertson himself is somewhere in Ohio; it would be 
interesting to see if he knows anything about this photo.)

The Toro wheels are a major clue that something odd is under the skin, and 
the badly-fitting hood is simply par for the course as Engineering mules go. 
Identifying the various model parts that make up the front end is 
interesting but not conclusive, except to note that they're all of roughly 
the same vintage (assuming that is _not_ actually Bart Simpson sticking out 
of the turn signal... :-). In addition, notice the oddly curving roadway in 
the background with no public guard rails or striping, and the numerous 
takeoff skid marks in the foreground: it looks like a GM test track, not a 
public road. The car was probably roadworthy anyway, though, which would 
explain the license plates on it.

Given the huge interest in this photo, has anyone contacted the seller to 
ask for more details?

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:17:09 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: rolling Olds parts bin, was Has anyone seen this

At Tuesday, 23 March 2004, you wrote:

>Okay, inquiring minds must know.
>
>>If he had a 5x5" pattern Ansen wheel on his Toro, then 
>>the wheels must have been sticking WAY out of the wheelwell, 
>>or have been very narrow. Or have a very deep backspacing.
>
>Hmmmmm. That was to fully cover the disc brakes, right?

Not necessarily; '66 had drum brakes, believe discs were optional.
Dunno when discs became standard, maybe '67.

>the front grill and headlights came out of a '64 F-85/Cutlass, 
>complete. I completely missed that before.

Ahha  :o))))))

>The car is a rolling parts bin. I'll bet that it's **not** a 
>GM test mule for the Toronado, but I **will** bet someone 
>wrecked their Toronado, had some other Olds cars sitting 
>around, pulled the Toro body off and installed a '64 Olds 
>big car body on the Toro frame, cut and remolded the front 
>wheel openings, used a '64 F-85 grill and headlights because 
>the big car grill and headlights were bad or wrecked or gone, 
>and drove his Olds parts bin everywhere.

I wouldn't think the big car fenders/hood would fit the grill/headlights 
at all.

In fact, I wonder if that the guy really did was use an F85, and 
bolted/welded the Toro front subframe to the OUTSIDE of the F85's 
original frame members, which were cut off just behind the firewall.
The Toro frame being wider, it'd probably fit.

Doing this kinda thing isn't terribly unusual. Milton, if you ever 
get down to Mesa, Arizona, you can visit my ole high school buddy 
who installed a Toro front end under his '69 El Camino. He intended 
to add a transfer case and make it 4WD but I dunno whether he actually 
got that finished, although he's still got the truck. When I "escaped" 
California in 1982, he was about to cut his front frame to splice 
on the Toro's. He moved to Mesa a cupla years later when Hughes Helicopters 
killed the Culver City offices and moved the whole plant to Mesa.


I've seen pix of other GM A-bodies with Toro front ends under them.
But more often, what many folks do is simply swap the bodies.

SteveH



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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:04:25 -0600
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: RE: Has anyone seen this

I just wrote the seller, I just asked about what is on the passenger side of the
front bumper.

My vote is that it is a genuine photo of a test bed for the Toro drive/chassis,
for all the reasons previously noted.  The extensive fender mods would require
much skill and time, which is not in keeping with the thrown together look of
the rest of the body.

I have done business with the seller in the past, and he is a straight shooter.

Steve K.




>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3668166870&category=10777

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Given the huge interest in this photo, has anyone contacted the seller to
ask for more details?

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 10:45:14 -0600
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Subject: RE: Has anyone seen this

Cool.  Somehow the wheel placement looks right for a Toro drivetrain.
My 0.02.
Ian
82 Toro parts truck.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>My vote is that it is a genuine photo of a test bed for the Toro
drive/chassis, for all the reasons previously noted.  The extensive
fender mods would require much skill and time, which is not in keeping
with the thrown together look of the rest of the body. I have done
business with the seller in the past, and he is a straight
shooter.<<<<<<
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Given the huge interest in this photo, has anyone contacted the seller
to
ask for more details?

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 13:46:42 -0600
From: Rick Kromeich <wlrk06@email.mot.com>
Subject: info needed for underdash radio

Hey gang,

A friend of mine was looking to add an aftermarket radio into his 70
Cutlass.  I mentioned using the 8 track housing as a possibility and he
really likes that idea.  I just can't find the link to the guy who was
making that housing for both radios and guages.  I can picture his Evil
ad just can't find the info.  Anyone have that link handy?

TIA,
- -Rick
72 Cutlass Supreme conv't
72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 19:54:33 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: info needed for underdash radio

he could make the thing himself. 
just a thought
ron
> Hey gang,
> 
> A friend of mine was looking to add an aftermarket radio into his 70
> Cutlass.  I mentioned using the 8 track housing as a possibility and he
> really likes that idea.  I just can't find the link to the guy who was
> making that housing for both radios and guages.  I can picture his Evil
> ad just can't find the info.  Anyone have that link handy?
> 
> TIA,
> -Rick
> 72 Cutlass Supreme conv't
> 72 Cutlass Supreme
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 14:55:50 -0500
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: RE: info needed for underdash radio

Rick,

Here's a link to Randy's product

http://megatron.stonehill.edu/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=89


 ~ Dan

PS - Let me know if it doesn't work...having issues w/ this server.

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Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:33:09 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 4-Core Radiator Recommendation

I've had great luck buying Modines from West Radiator in Indy.  (317) 
780-9378.

The new three rows for Mike's 85 Cutlass have ran right at $130 each.  (I've 
bought three in the past year due to fan and clutch failures)



Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 15:35:46 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: I'm Back!

Welcome back John!!

Well there was this big flood, then the locusts came and 
then.......................

woops wrong subject!

Glad to have your knowlege and input back.


Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:45:21 -0600
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: A New Olds in the Family!

I'm officially in the club!  I just "won" this car.  Thanks for answering
all of my questions about the tranny.  If that 3-speed is indeed a F*rd unit
I may have to drop in the M-21 that that comes with the car :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2467656015
Any ideas on how to get it from San Francisco, CA to Peoria, IL :)  I'll
probably take a flight out with a buddy Friday night and make a weekend out
of it.  Nobody is by chance driving an empty car trailer eastbound across
country are they?

I look forward to sharing all that is good and Olds with you guys in the
future.  Right now I need to go grab a celebratory beer.

Cheers!
- --
Eric Beaupre

Engineering
eServ LLC
8200 N Allen Rd
Peoria, IL 61615
ofc: 309-691-4957 X1034
fax: 309-691-4960
cel: 309-453-3895
eml: ebeaupre@eserv.biz

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 20:55:47 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this

And they purposely put it in a '64 88 and then put '64 F-85 headlights and a
grill in it? Also the beat up body? All this when the engineers had access
to new parts from the assemblyline?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <62oldsfan@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:37 AM
Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this


>
> > That's not an "original factory photo."
>
> It is, in fact, a factory photo of the test mule for the Toronado
powertrain.
> Olds was at a point where the body was still in the design stages and they
> certainly didn't want to give away any design secrets.  But engineering
needed
> to test the drivetrain in the real world, so they stuffed the drivetrain
into
> this '64 88.  It was a registered vehicle, because it needed to accumulate
> quite a bit of mileage in real world conditions.  They were trying to do
this
> in-cognito, and that is why the vehicle looks the way it does - to try and
> throw people off the trail.  You have to remember this was the advent of
> modern front wheel drive and it all had to be a closely guarded secret.
You
> will notice that those front fenders (that don't line up) are specially
> contructed.  Not only do they have a larger opening, as someone already
pointed
> out - but they are longer behind the wheel opening as well.  This to allow
room
> for all the Toronado powertrain components - typical of the stock vehicle.
> Appearance of the vehicle to corporate brass at this time was not issue,
as
> corporate brass was the main offices in Lansing and Detroit and the mule
was
> running around in desert country accumulating mileage.  I believe this
photo
> appeared with the article concerning the Toronado in the '66 Car of the
Year
> Motor Trend issue.
>
> Paul
>

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:01:03 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: rolling Olds parts bin, was Has anyone seen this

> In fact, I wonder if that the guy really did was use an F85, and
> bolted/welded the Toro front subframe to the OUTSIDE of the F85's
> original frame members, which were cut off just behind the firewall.


Except the body panels and bumpers and roof and etc. ***are*** '64 Olds big
car, without any doubt.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 00:45:38 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: 58 Olds Hearse

Hello
I have seen this pic before but thought maybe some of you would enjoy :)

>Brian L. wrote...
I think that the 1958 Oldsmobile professional cars (hearses and ambulances) must be the rarest '58 Oldsmobiles. The Comet company was later named Cotner-Bevington after Ford Motor Co. purchased the rights to the Comet name for its 1960 Mercury compact. Cotner-Bevington (and Comet) utilized Oldsmobile chassis for the vast majority of its professional cars. 
http://www.hearse.com/images/to_file/olds0001.gif
Can you imagin a 60 ft wheel stand in that :)
Randy H.
Van.B.C.Can.

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 06:10:48 -0500
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: A New Olds in the Family!

Eric Beaupre wrote:
> I'm officially in the club!  I just "won" this car.  Thanks for answering
> all of my questions about the tranny.  If that 3-speed is indeed a F*rd unit
> I may have to drop in the M-21 that that comes with the car :)
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2467656015
> Any ideas on how to get it from San Francisco, CA to Peoria, IL :)  I'll
> probably take a flight out with a buddy Friday night and make a weekend out
> of it.  Nobody is by chance driving an empty car trailer eastbound across
> country are they?
> 
> I look forward to sharing all that is good and Olds with you guys in the
> future.  Right now I need to go grab a celebratory beer.
> 
> Cheers!
> --
> Eric Beaupre
> 
> Engineering
> eServ LLC
> 8200 N Allen Rd
> Peoria, IL 61615
> ofc: 309-691-4957 X1034
> fax: 309-691-4960
> cel: 309-453-3895
> eml: ebeaupre@eserv.biz
> 
> 
> 
Congrats Eric
   Now the first thing to learn is that anytime anything goes wrong just 
hang a large basket of money over the car and sprinkle liberaly till the 
basket is empty. It won't fix everything everytime but if done often 
enough will fix most things
LOL
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:17:22 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: A New Olds in the Family!

Congratulations Eric, that's a nice looking car.

I wouldn't be in a big hurry to replace that three speed.  If it's a Ford 
piece, it's a heavier built unit than the GM built Saginaws of the day, 
that's why they used them.  Plus you have the somewhat rare 3 speed console, 
which is way cool in my warped mind.  Keep it like it is for a while and 
enjoy the car for what it is.  Later you can make changes if you feel like 
it.


Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser





>From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Subject: A New Olds in the Family!
>Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:45:21 -0600
>
>I'm officially in the club!  I just "won" this car.  Thanks for answering
>all of my questions about the tranny.  If that 3-speed is indeed a F*rd 
>unit
>I may have to drop in the M-21 that that comes with the car :)
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2467656015
>Any ideas on how to get it from San Francisco, CA to Peoria, IL :)  I'll
>probably take a flight out with a buddy Friday night and make a weekend out
>of it.  Nobody is by chance driving an empty car trailer eastbound across
>country are they?
>
>I look forward to sharing all that is good and Olds with you guys in the
>future.  Right now I need to go grab a celebratory beer.
>
>Cheers!
>--
>Eric Beaupre
>
>Engineering
>eServ LLC
>8200 N Allen Rd
>Peoria, IL 61615
>ofc: 309-691-4957 X1034
>fax: 309-691-4960
>cel: 309-453-3895
>eml: ebeaupre@eserv.biz
>

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