
oldsmobile-digest        Tuesday, May 4 2004        Volume 01 : Number 4877



This just in... 68 98 Luxury Sedan
Need advice on 72 Cutlass 455 w/air engine reassembly (in the car).
Silhouette engine removed- interchange?
Re: Need advice on 72 Cutlass 455 w/air engine reassembly (in the car).
RE: Coan Engineering - GREAT SERVICE
RE: back fire on deacceleration ...............
66 442 BRAKES assistance? 
Engine Interchange Site?
Re: Engine Interchange Site?
RE: Rear Control Arm Hardware
Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C
Re: 66 442 BRAKES assistance?
Re: 66 442 BRAKES assistance? 
RE: back fire on deacceleration ...............
reassemble engine
Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C
RE: FS 1968 Ninety Eight convertible
NY Spring Dust-Off
Re: reassemble engine
Re: NY Spring Dust-Off
Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C
looking for interior "post" trim
RE: looking for interior "post" trim
Re: reassemble engine
Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C
Re: looking for interior "post" trim
Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C
"New" 1975 Delta 88 Royale Convertible
Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C
Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C
Re: Oh, the Humility...
Recycling antifreeze...Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C
Off topic
RE: P/S Pully Removal 103

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Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 08:40:54 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: This just in... 68 98 Luxury Sedan

Not sure if the 3500 miles on the odometer reflects 103,000 or 3,500... 
Gramma's plastic seat covers still in place on the immaculate seats. Plastic 
seat covers with accomodations for the flip-down armrest. Never seen that 
before.

It might still be a car, have not fired the engine yet. JUST got it in late 
last nite. Might be parts car. Very minimal rust. Very slight front end 
damage- the corner park lite lenses. Has its skirts. Have not seen in trunk 
yet. VIRGIN ashtray, never seen so much as 1 ash. Lighter unused too. Power 
windows, manual crank vents, power seat. 455-4bbl of course, '251 carb opens 
freely. AC car. Brother has been after this car for like 10 years. Finally, 
they decide to sell it.

Also picked up a scrap metal smogger 350 engine, with core TH400 1977 short 
shaft trans, would be happy with $100 for the trans, or $400 rebuilt. Might 
go $50 if you come get it and make the sale easy.

Got the '68 post coupe shell in yesterday too. 1974 350 engine, 
semi-rebuilt, short block, you finish to your specs, $100. Might have 
nodular crank. Column shifted tilt column in place, no lever on it for 
shifting, $150 seems fair to me. 2.73 open C type rear end $50... for the 
axles, can ship them easily. Never seen much torque!

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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:46:27 -0400
From: Michael McDonald <McDonald_M@72ho.com>
Subject: Need advice on 72 Cutlass 455 w/air engine reassembly (in the car).

Sorry about the last blank post, I hit the return key too fast.

I have removed the heads from my 1972 Cutlass 455 with factory air.  Removing 
the passenger head was a challenge.  I had to "tilt" the head downward and then 
slide the two rear push rods out thru the lifter galley area. I was unable to 
pull them out thru the top of the head because the air conditioning "box" on 
the firewall was in the way.  Also the second from the last head bolt could not 
be removed until the head was completely off the block.  

My question is: Do I need to move the air conditioning "box" in order to 
reassemble the heads back on the engine block.  How much trouble is it to move 
the air conditioning "box".  

Thanks for your help,
Mike McDonald
McDonald_M@72ho.com

1972 Hurst/Olds sunroof coupe
    "as seen on Speed TV"
   The American Musclecar    
            or
        www.72ho.com

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 10:49:52 -0400
From: "Eric Holcombe" <eholcombe@engineeringservicesgroup.com>
Subject: Silhouette engine removed- interchange?

Got the engine out Sat. night. For the record, it can be pulled from the top. Have to remove alternator (which requires removal of upper intake), oil filter and adapter, ignition coil pack and exhaust manifolds on the back. Removed the exhaust after pulling free of transmission and moving engine forward.

Question for the group: Can I use any VIN "E" 3.4L long block as a replacement (i.e., impala, monte carlo)? I'm counting on swapping over all accessories/electrical. Is there any kind of a crank trigger or balancer issue you know of? My van is a '98 model. From the rebuild sites I've shopped, I see no differentiation from '96-'99 on the U platform at least.

Thanks in advance,

Eric Holcombe

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Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 10:54:09 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Need advice on 72 Cutlass 455 w/air engine reassembly (in the car).

At 08:46 AM 5/3/2004, you wrote:
>I have removed the heads from my 1972 Cutlass 455 with factory air.  Removing
>the passenger head was a challenge.  I had to "tilt" the head downward and 
>then
>slide the two rear push rods out thru the lifter galley area. I was unable to
>pull them out thru the top of the head because the air conditioning "box" on
>the firewall was in the way.  Also the second from the last head bolt 
>could not
>be removed until the head was completely off the block.

That sounds about right; I had to do the same for my SX way back when.

>My question is: Do I need to move the air conditioning "box" in order to
>reassemble the heads back on the engine block.  How much trouble is it to 
>move
>the air conditioning "box".

A LOT more than sliding two pushrods up through the head and keeping that 
head-bolt in the head when you install it would be. Front fender has to 
come off.


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 10:19:56 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Coan Engineering - GREAT SERVICE

I had a similar experience with them last summer.  They have great customer 
service and all of my future business.



Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 08:40:21 -0700
From: "Chris Fair" <cfair@att.net>
Subject: RE: back fire on deacceleration ...............

Could also be your AIR smog system, depending on year of vehicle. 

Cheers,
cf 



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of The General
Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 1:02 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: back fire on deacceleration ...............


Hey List,

        What causes backfire while deaccelerating ????
It happens with a manual trans car ................. my guess is a lean
condition caused by a closed throttle and engine speed ???? Is this what the
dash pot was 'sposed to fix ??????

Tanks,
The General

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Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 11:53:49 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 66 442 BRAKES assistance? 

Never had a system this fubar'd
Brakes is one of the things I got certified in, too.
And this is a simple _single line_ brake system. One notch more advanced 
than dragging a stick on the ground to stop. OK, 2 notches, I guess, there 
was mechanical linkage brakes in there too.

1966 Cutlass 442
1-line drum brakes.
Everything new except the nicely cleaned original lines and junction block. 
Not a lot to go wrong there with Pipes and a block with holes in it.  
Mechanisms were adjusted to near the drums, as I recall.

Master cyl was a bear.
Original pitted inside, had to get another. It differed in linkage, would 
NOT hook up, would not swap innards. Got yet another new one- NAPA. has 
teensy bleeder atop its output, and "extra" port- plugged- on LH side.

All new wheel cylinders. Line fittings all lubed with anti-sieze.

Go to bleed, nope, will not push fluid.
Been there, done that, get out my electric vacuum pump, which has NEVER 
FAILED TO DRAW BRAKE FLUID YET. Nope, draws air. Past the wheel cylinder 
seal lips maybe?

Finally, after 4 months, get 2 of us at the car at the same time, do this 
the old fashioned way. One guy actuates brake pedal while other guy releases 
bleeder while pedal going down, closes bleeder while pedal travels up. 
Finally, we get bubble-free Dot-5 juice all the way out the back, and from 
the front 2.

The problem?
Pedal still sinks to the floor, like there's mass qtys of air in the system.
Brakes begin to actuate, sort of, but I can readily overcome the brake and 
turn any wheel with 2 hands. Multiple pumps do NOT make it better, which 
would be the case if the mechanisms were simply adjusted far too slack.

Tried bleeding the teensy bleeder at the MCyl, manually and with vacuum 
pump.
Tried RR-LR-LF-RF manual bleeding about 3-4 x around now.
Tried the vacuum pump- again.

I am at a loss.
I can only guess that maybe the MCyl was assembled with seal lip facing 
wrong way? Seals enough to move juice thru when bleeder is open, but totally 
fails so seal and build pressure when bleeders are al closed.

ANY tips appreciated, 01June fast approaches.
PLEASE remember to cc me your reply, as I may never even see the digest that 
contains your words of wisdom otherwise.
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 12:02:56 US/Eastern
From: urbanch@ca.inter.net
Subject: Engine Interchange Site?

  Does anyone know of a site that lists engine/ parts inter-changability on the web?

Chris
Urban

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 12:16:23 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Engine Interchange Site?

I don't know of any sites, but you can purchase manuals or CD roms at this
site.
http://www.hollander-auto-parts.com/contact/index.html

Hope this helps.
Pat Swanton


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <urbanch@ca.inter.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:02 AM
Subject: Engine Interchange Site?


>   Does anyone know of a site that lists engine/ parts inter-changability
on the web?
>
> Chris
> Urban
>
>

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:22:54 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: Rear Control Arm Hardware

> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 15:56:53 -0400
> From: robert.demuth@prudential.com
> Subject: Rear Control Arm Hardware
>
> I'm replacing the rear axle in my '72 88.  Since the 32 years have
> basically frozen the nuts on the lower and upper control arm-to-rear
> mounting bolts, it looks like I am going to have to sawzall them off.  What
> is a good source for replacing them?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob DeMuth.
> '72 88 conv
> some other stuff

Check with Chris Witt and see if he has any. That dandy new parts cleaner of his 
has been at work for a while now making old hardware look like new again. 

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 09:27:59 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C

> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 22:31:32 -0700
> From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C
> 
> What you can also do is put an electrical 12v pump in place of the 
> mechanical pump and siphon that way. You may also use the 12v 
> pump and some hose to siphon out the filler neck. Worked for me 
> well on several projects. 

Those "projects" didn't happen to involve the neighbor's cars, did they? 

Sorry, I couldn't resist. You can imagine the image that came to mind when I read that.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 12:33:00 EDT
From: Sm7442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 66 442 BRAKES assistance?

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Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 12:33:36 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 66 442 BRAKES assistance? 

At 11:53 AM 5/3/2004, you wrote:
>Go to bleed, nope, will not push fluid.
>Been there, done that, get out my electric vacuum pump, which has NEVER 
>FAILED TO DRAW BRAKE FLUID YET. Nope, draws air. Past the wheel cylinder 
>seal lips maybe?
>
>Finally, after 4 months, get 2 of us at the car at the same time, do this 
>the old fashioned way. One guy actuates brake pedal while other guy 
>releases bleeder while pedal going down, closes bleeder while pedal 
>travels up. Finally, we get bubble-free Dot-5 juice all the way out the 
>back, and from the front 2.
>
>The problem?
>Pedal still sinks to the floor, like there's mass qtys of air in the system.
>Brakes begin to actuate, sort of, but I can readily overcome the brake and 
>turn any wheel with 2 hands. Multiple pumps do NOT make it better, which 
>would be the case if the mechanisms were simply adjusted far too slack.

Assuming you bench-bled the MC, I'd be guessing a bad master-cylinder 
rebuild. Disassemble it and see what's going on with it. You could also put 
a pressure-gauge on the output and see what it's putting out.

You might also try to track down an original single-output unit and rebuild 
it yourself. You'd probably do a much better job than most aftermarket 
rebuilds...


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/  

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 12:18:47 -0500
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: RE: back fire on deacceleration ...............

Check for exhaust leaks.  Unburned fuel in the exhaust, mixes with air being drawn in through a hole in the exhaust and ignites.

    mike

Mike Schlottman
Sr. Systems Administrator
Society of Petroleum Engineers
222 Palisades Creek Drive 
Richardson, TX 75083
972-952-9382


 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: The General [mailto:patton442@verizon.net]
 > Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 3:02 PM
 > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 > Subject: back fire on deacceleration ...............
 > 
 > 
 > Hey List,
 > 
 >         What causes backfire while deaccelerating ????
 > It happens with a manual trans car ................. my guess is
 > a lean condition caused by a closed throttle and engine speed ????
 > Is this what the dash pot was 'sposed to fix ??????
 > 
 > Tanks,
 > The General
 > 

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Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 13:36:36 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: reassemble engine

snip>My question is: Do I need to move the air conditioning "box" in 
order to reassemble the heads back on the engine block.  How much 
trouble is it to move  the air conditioning "box".

That's two questions. first I have reassembled many and never once 
removed the A/C "box". Second removing the box means removing the 
evaporator something you probably do not want to do.
LOL
John Kelsey
Dauton Ohio

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Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 18:46:04 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C

>What you can also do is put an electrical 12v pump in place of the
>mechanical pump and siphon that way. You may also use the 12v
>pump and some hose to siphon out the filler neck. Worked for me
>well on several projects.

While wandering a local junkyard some years back, I was passing by the cars 
that had recently come in, and noticed that, from the looks of a battery, 
fuel pump and hose setup all assembled in an old milk crate, this seems to 
be the way that they empty cars of assorted vital fluids as they come in.

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 14:55:39 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: FS 1968 Ninety Eight convertible

Thanks Tami,

All leads are appreciated. I may try ebay again as well.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of ftfunnyfarm
Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 6:16 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: FS 1968 Ninety Eight convertible

John...I have forwarded your email to my work were I will show it to a guy
that also has a '68 98 Contertible. I thought it was his at first...lol
Looks just like his.

Tami

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Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 15:02:15 -0400
From: oldslist@nuthinfancy.com
Subject: NY Spring Dust-Off

Alright you fellow NY and LIers (John N. & Vinny B.),

Was the Annual LI Spring Dust-Off rained out? I hope so because I wasn't
able to attend.

Regards,

Bob

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Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 15:08:29 -0400
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: reassemble engine

Ribspot,
Are you referring to the black box on the passenger side firewall area? 
If so that is the box that holds the blower motor. I didnt have to pull 
mines...but i dont know if that is what you are referring to

paulbunyan

ribspot@pop4.net wrote:

> snip>My question is: Do I need to move the air conditioning "box" in 
> order to reassemble the heads back on the engine block.  How much 
> trouble is it to move  the air conditioning "box".
>
> That's two questions. first I have reassembled many and never once 
> removed the A/C "box". Second removing the box means removing the 
> evaporator something you probably do not want to do.
> LOL
> John Kelsey
> Dauton Ohio
>

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:14:16 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: NY Spring Dust-Off

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In a message dated 5/3/2004 3:06:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
oldslist@nuthinfancy.com writes:
Alright you fellow NY and LIers (John N. & Vinny B.),

Was the Annual LI Spring Dust-Off rained out? I hope so because I wasn't
able to attend.
I have no idea,  for I had prior plans that could not be broken,   I did 
drive by Fireman's Field at 6pm  it was very clean   and looked as if it was empty 
all day  (I PRAY!)

Vinny B
68 H/O

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:24:18 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C

That sounds like a perfect way to blow yourself up! I would not condone
that. I was yard foreman for a salvage yard for 12 years. We would lift
every single car up as soon as they came in, take the tank out, remove the
sending unit, and use a siphon pump that was operated by cranking with
people power. Not one of our cars/trucks went out in the yard with a gas
tank attatched. Per order of the fire marshall and common sense.
Pat Swanton.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C


> >What you can also do is put an electrical 12v pump in place of the
> >mechanical pump and siphon that way. You may also use the 12v
> >pump and some hose to siphon out the filler neck. Worked for me
> >well on several projects.
>
> While wandering a local junkyard some years back, I was passing by the
cars
> that had recently come in, and noticed that, from the looks of a battery,
> fuel pump and hose setup all assembled in an old milk crate, this seems to
> be the way that they empty cars of assorted vital fluids as they come in.
>
> -- Andy
>
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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:38:35 -0400 
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: looking for interior "post" trim

Greetings all,

I am in need of replacement interior trim pieces for the W-31's "posts".
Does anyone know if the aftermarket supplies such things?  I've looked (Year
One, Fusicks, etc.) but not found.  If not, anyone happen to have a spare
set in good condition they'd be willing to price out and part with?  Black
only please, nothing dyed.

Thanks as always,

 ~ Dan

- -------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
- -------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 16:08:25 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: looking for interior "post" trim

Hi Dan,

There are three different ones depending on whether it's a coupe, sedan (2dr
post car, 4dr, wagon), or convertible. Type PXM into the search box on my
site to see the listings.

John Nasta
Old Car Network
http://oldcarnetwork.com


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Gerow, Daniel R.
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 3:39 PM
To: Olds List
Subject: looking for interior "post" trim

Greetings all,

I am in need of replacement interior trim pieces for the W-31's "posts".
Does anyone know if the aftermarket supplies such things?  I've looked (Year
One, Fusicks, etc.) but not found.  If not, anyone happen to have a spare
set in good condition they'd be willing to price out and part with?  Black
only please, nothing dyed.

Thanks as always,

 ~ Dan

- -------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
- -------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 16:24:54 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: reassemble engine

Paul White wrote:

> Ribspot,
> Are you referring to the black box on the passenger side firewall area? 
> If so that is the box that holds the blower motor. I didnt have to pull 
> mines...but i dont know if that is what you are referring to
> 
> paulbunyan
> 
> ribspot@pop4.net wrote:
> 
>> snip>My question is: Do I need to move the air conditioning "box" in 
>> order to reassemble the heads back on the engine block.  How much 
>> trouble is it to move  the air conditioning "box".
>>
>> That's two questions. first I have reassembled many and never once 
>> removed the A/C "box". Second removing the box means removing the 
>> evaporator something you probably do not want to do.
>> LOL
>> John Kelsey
>> Dauton Ohio
>>
> 
> 
> 
Hi Paul
    I have not done a 72 cutlass in a while. Yes the blower motor is in 
there so is the heater core and the evaporator
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 21:17:26 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C

>That sounds like a perfect way to blow yourself up! I would not condone
>that. I was yard foreman for a salvage yard for 12 years.

...and a fine one, too, no doubt, but not all yards are run the same way. 
This one I was at was _much_ better described as a junkyard than a salvage 
yard anyway.

I remember another visit when I and a small group of fascinated customers 
watched a grizzled old guy, standing on the roof of a '77 Caprice with a 
rotary saw (fireman-quality, capable of sawing holes in a house roof), 
casually sawing off the entire right rear quarter of the car, pretty much 
freehand. No goggles (he just squinted), no gloves (protective layer of 
grime already there), no really-protective clothes of any kind (other than 
overalls that he'd put on approximately six months ago). Come to think of 
it, he wasn't really all that old age-wise; he just _looked_ that way, kind 
of like the junkyard dog...  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 17:57:39 EDT
From: S61starfir@aol.com
Subject: Re: looking for interior "post" trim

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In a message dated 5/3/2004 3:49:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
dgerow@stonehill.edu writes:
Greetings all,

I am in need of replacement interior trim pieces for the W-31's "posts".
Does anyone know if the aftermarket supplies such things?  I've looked (Year
One, Fusicks, etc.) but not found.  If not, anyone happen to have a spare
set in good condition they'd be willing to price out and part with?  Black
only please, nothing dyed.

Thanks as always,
Dan
    These are really tuff to find, I don't have any and had a hard time 
finding a set last year for a customer. If you are able to find them don't be fussy 
about the color.

Everett  OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

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Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 23:25:21 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C

At 03:24 PM 5/3/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>That sounds like a perfect way to blow yourself up! I would not condone
>that. I was yard foreman for a salvage yard for 12 years. We would lift
>every single car up as soon as they came in, take the tank out, remove the
>sending unit, and use a siphon pump that was operated by cranking with
>people power. Not one of our cars/trucks went out in the yard with a gas
>tank attatched. Per order of the fire marshall and common sense.
>Pat Swanton.

You'd have a bull if you saw what the local Yarde does here: car goes up on
a forklift, immigrants bring a cupla 5-gallon plastic buckets over, then
one them JAMS UPWARD!!! with a crowbar till he punches a hole in the tank.
Then they fill their buckets, take em to their cars and pour it in.

Ain't a gas tank in the Yarde that's not ruined  ;o((((((((((((

SteveH

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 19:31:38 -0400
From: "vze210y3" <vze210y3@verizon.net>
Subject: "New" 1975 Delta 88 Royale Convertible

Today my new car arrived on the back of a truck after a 2-week journey from
Oregon.  'Haven't been totally through the car yet, but am happy so far,
especially since I bought it basically sight unseen except for photos.  It's
got 19,455 miles on the 350 4V, and is a Lansing car, obviously spending
much of its life in dry storage.  Other than a good wash and wax, my cursory
inspection only points out a few issues.  I need a clock, I need to replace
the convertible top motor (have the part), and the a/c needs a charge.  It's
pretty light on options with manual windows, what looks like
dealer-installed cruise, AM w/8-track (4 speakers), tilt, and wire wheel
covers.  60/40 bench.  The car is mint in and out -- pearl white with recent
white top over burgundy vinyl.  Recent brakes as well and no
weather-checking on the tires.  Zero rust in the body and 1 door-ding!

As I'm used to shopping for A body parts, I could use some pointers from big
car folks.  Priorities are fixing the obvious problems, including a decent
stereo (as this will be a summertime driver), the clock and the top motor,
and the A/C.  In addition to sources for the mentioned parts, can I get some
pointers on replacing the top motor, and looking for other issues that might
be expected with a car like this.  Seems well maintained with clean oil and
coolant, but I'm sure there are demons under the hood, given the lengthy
storage.  What should I look for?   Should I replace all belts and hoses?

Any tips appreciated.

Thanks,
Scott Parker
71 442 Convertible
75 Delta Royale

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 19:41:01 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C

Amazing how some yards work isn't it? We would give gas away too, but not
anything I would put in my car, maybe good enough to varnish a table. I've
seen the "immigrants" put diesel in thier cars thinking it was gas....LMAO.
Oh well. It cost us money to get rid of the diesel, however we sold
antifreeze for a buck a gallon.
Pat Swanton.
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From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C


> At 03:24 PM 5/3/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >That sounds like a perfect way to blow yourself up! I would not condone
> >that. I was yard foreman for a salvage yard for 12 years. We would lift
> >every single car up as soon as they came in, take the tank out, remove
the
> >sending unit, and use a siphon pump that was operated by cranking with
> >people power. Not one of our cars/trucks went out in the yard with a gas
> >tank attatched. Per order of the fire marshall and common sense.
> >Pat Swanton.
>
> You'd have a bull if you saw what the local Yarde does here: car goes up
on
> a forklift, immigrants bring a cupla 5-gallon plastic buckets over, then
> one them JAMS UPWARD!!! with a crowbar till he punches a hole in the tank.
> Then they fill their buckets, take em to their cars and pour it in.
>
> Ain't a gas tank in the Yarde that's not ruined  ;o((((((((((((
>
> SteveH
>
>

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Date: Tue, 04 May 2004 00:04:07 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C

At 07:41 PM 5/3/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>we sold antifreeze for a buck a gallon.

I'd LOVE to find a place that'd take my old antifreeze, stead of having to
consider dumping it down the drain. None the stores want it and the Yarde
doesn't, either. There was one down in Virginia that did "recycle" it,
though. The stores do take oil and tranny fluid.

SteveH

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 20:34:04 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Oh, the Humility...

On Apr 29, 2004, at 10:52 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:27:56 +0000
> From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Oh, the Humility...
>
>> You know, I'd actually admire  the work if they'd actually
>> fit the wheels inside the fenders. *That* would be custom!
>
> A guy I knew some years back was a _really_ good customizer (i.e. he 
> did the
> work himself, as opposed to just throwing money at a project that 
> someone
> else actually crafted), and one car of his was a really stunning '57 
> Ch*vy
> that was rebuilt from the ground up for some serious drag racing. But 
> at a
> glance, when you first saw it on the street (it was still streetworthy 
> for
> sunny-day driving despite that blower sticking up through the hood), 
> it took
> a while to really appreciate how unusual it was, because he'd managed 
> to
> _not_ cut the rear wheel openings in the quarterpanels.
>
> Instead, he'd tubbed out inboard to accommodate racing slicks, and 
> used a
> narrowed rear axle instead, so that only when you bothered to actually 
> look
> _under_ the car would you see, well, this virtual _wall_ of rubber 
> across
> the back end of the car, with the differential sort-of-visible through 
> the
> gap in the middle. It was hysterical to look at, but beautifully 
> executed as
> well. He would never have created the sort of eVil auction monstrosity 
> that
> we're looking at today.

That's "Pro-street", and has been around for quite some time. It's a 
functional mod, as well as being absolutely brutal looking. The big 
honking tires provide traction. The big honking wheels on the silly 
show cars provide... bling bling. And weight, to hold them to the 
ground 'cuz they're so fly or something.
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 21:56:30 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Recycling antifreeze...Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C

At 12:04 AM 05/04/2004 +0000, SteveH wrote:
>I'd LOVE to find a place that'd take my old antifreeze, stead of having to
>consider dumping it down the drain. None the stores want it and the Yarde
>doesn't, either. There was one down in Virginia that did "recycle" it,
>though. The stores do take oil and tranny fluid.

Really?  I figured the municipality would have places to take such stuff.
Does at all the towns in NJ I've been in, thus far.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Mon, 03 May 2004 20:28:24 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Off topic

All,
I'm back on list, after moving into my new home.  The 442 has become my 
semi-daily driver now, as the wife managed to throw a rod in the bmw and is 
still employed.  Fuel cost and the new house are gonna break me for sure... LOL

M


Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 21:00:57 -0700 (PDT)
From: William Grumblatt Jr <wgrumblatt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: P/S Pully Removal 103

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Thanks guys I was just going to buy one of those pullers at HFS for my 67 88. Sure am glad I read the list before I got one. Turns out I won't need one after all.  Seems the parts store I ordered my P/S pump (less reservoir) will change the reservoir and pulley over at no charge.
Saturday I took the gear box to JJ's axle to drop off and rebuild.  Guys says be done in two hours. Came back in two hours and was done. So looks like Sat. I'll take the p/s pump in and while they're doing the changes I'll put the new center link and rebuilt gear box in. New belt and p/s hoses, re-aligned front end. Good to go!!
 
Bill G 
67 Delta 88 Custom
87 Custom Wagon ( So patiently waiting to be worked on)


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<DIV>
<DIV>Thanks guys I was just going to buy one of those pullers at HFS for my 67 88. Sure am glad I read the list before I got one. Turns out I won't need one after all.&nbsp; Seems the parts store I ordered my P/S pump (less reservoir) will change the reservoir and pulley over at no charge.</DIV>
<DIV>Saturday I took the gear box to JJ's axle to drop off and rebuild.&nbsp; Guys says be done in two hours. Came back in two hours and was done. So looks like Sat. I'll take the p/s pump in and while they're doing the changes I'll put the new center link and rebuilt gear box in. New belt and p/s hoses, re-aligned front end. Good to go!!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Bill G </DIV>
<DIV>67 Delta 88 Custom</DIV>
<DIV>87 Custom Wagon ( So patiently waiting to be worked on)</DIV></DIV>
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