
oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, March 17 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4819



Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #4818
Re: Added a little weight
look what I dug out of the scrap pile
Re: look what I dug out of the scrap pile
Re: look what I dug out of the scrap pile
Speaking of Scrape
Re: Added a little weight
intake manifold installation help
Re: Added a little weight
Correction
Re: look what I dug out of the scrap pile
thoughts on rear gears
Re: FW: : When Oldsmobile Production Ends
RE: FW: : When Oldsmobile Production Ends
Re: Speaking of Scrape
re-upholstery seat kits
RE: Yhaaaaa.
RE: Was there ever a G Body Olds Nascar ?
Re: re-upholstery seat kits
Re: look what I dug out of the scrap pile
Re: FW: : When Oldsmobile Production Ends
Horsepower TV Real Ride Cutlass
ebay 69 H/O
more eVil 69 H/O - restamped block from 88/98?
Milton was RIGHT - again- on the starter brace
Re: ebay 69 H/O
Re: more eVil 69 H/O - restamped block from 88/98?
Re: re-upholstery seat kits
RE: re-upholstery seat kits

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 02:44:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Hutchison <rkt88403@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #4818

> easy come, easy go
 I wondered who was taking that truck the other day.
It looked like you were getting a good workout backing
it out of the driveway and into the street without
going into my front yard. Yeah,I was watching.
 I was hoping that you got a package deal with the 5th
wheel and the other two furds sitting there.
 
 





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95 GMC Sierra 1500,95 Prowler 27N travel trailer
81 W-88 Cpe 403/TH350/8.5-3.23 LS
My Olds Club http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/olds889877to85

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 07:24:52 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Added a little weight

Nice box Andy. Maybe shudda pointed the subs at the seat though, not gonna
get much sound into the cab. I had a JL 10W0 in the trunk of my Delta and
couldn't hear it with the rear seat installed.

drc

> Here's a picture of the box being mocked up in the trunk:

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:00:13 -0500
From: "Hurst Olds" <hurstolds@planetc.com>
Subject: look what I dug out of the scrap pile

Spied a BOP bellhousing amidst the truckload of c*ap that a friend was about
to haul from his junkyard to the foundary... so I got it pretty cheap...
about aluminum scrap price actually :-)  Its in pretty good shape
structurally... doesn't appear to have any damaged threads etc... just a bit
dirty.  I was wondering if anyone could give me a better identification of
it... obviously BOP... but what tranny - I've seen others before that had
multiple sets of holes for different trannies but this one looks like its
designed for one specifically?  Any idea of original use?  I couldn't find
any stampings on it.

Pics are at:
http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/misc/P1010019.JPG
http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/misc/P1010020.JPG and
http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/misc/P1010021.JPG

Thanks gang...

Oh and for those who might be interested... heres a few pics of my new
driver... its not GM... F-brand pickup actually... fairly decent vehicle
though... I actually bought it a few months back for my sister... but she
couldn't drive a straight shift... and the drivers seat was also a bit
cramped for her... so now she's driving my '89 Volvo and I get the Ranger.
The truck gets much better gas mileage anyways... and has working a/c... but
I'm going to miss my sunroof.  Already has proven good for hauling parts :-)
Will be adding an in-bed toolbox soon.

http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/misc/ranger/94ranger1.jpg
http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/misc/ranger/94ranger2.jpg
http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/misc/ranger/94ranger3.jpg
http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/misc/ranger/94ranger4.jpg

Later Gang...
Clayton Pierce,
hurstolds@planetc.com

1969 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe
1979 Hurst/Oldsmobile W30 (white/gold)
1979 Cutlass Supreme Coupe
1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe (T-tops)
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Coupe

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:14:07 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: look what I dug out of the scrap pile

starter is located on opposite of housing for a olds. at least  all the ones I have ever seen, that
looks like a ford
Ron

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hurst Olds" <hurstolds@planetc.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 8:00 AM
Subject: look what I dug out of the scrap pile


> Spied a BOP bellhousing amidst the truckload of c*ap that a friend was about
> to haul from his junkyard to the foundary... so I got it pretty cheap...
> about aluminum scrap price actually :-)  Its in pretty good shape
> structurally... doesn't appear to have any damaged threads etc... just a bit
> dirty.  I was wondering if anyone could give me a better identification of
> it... obviously BOP... but what tranny - I've seen others before that had
> multiple sets of holes for different trannies but this one looks like its
> designed for one specifically?  Any idea of original use?  I couldn't find
> any stampings on it.
>
> Pics are at:
> http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/misc/P1010019.JPG
> http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/misc/P1010020.JPG and
> http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/misc/P1010021.JPG
>
> Thanks gang...
>
> Oh and for those who might be interested... heres a few pics of my new
> driver... its not GM... F-brand pickup actually... fairly decent vehicle
> though... I actually bought it a few months back for my sister... but she
> couldn't drive a straight shift... and the drivers seat was also a bit
> cramped for her... so now she's driving my '89 Volvo and I get the Ranger.
> The truck gets much better gas mileage anyways... and has working a/c... but
> I'm going to miss my sunroof.  Already has proven good for hauling parts :-)
> Will be adding an in-bed toolbox soon.
>
> http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/misc/ranger/94ranger1.jpg
> http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/misc/ranger/94ranger2.jpg
> http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/misc/ranger/94ranger3.jpg
> http://www.442spot.com/cpierce/misc/ranger/94ranger4.jpg
>
> Later Gang...
> Clayton Pierce,
> hurstolds@planetc.com
>
> 1969 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe
> 1979 Hurst/Oldsmobile W30 (white/gold)
> 1979 Cutlass Supreme Coupe
> 1984 Cutlass Calais Coupe (T-tops)
> 1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham Coupe
>
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:33:43 -0500
From: "Hurst Olds" <hurstolds@planetc.com>
Subject: Re: look what I dug out of the scrap pile

I fitted it to the back of a junk Olds 350 sitting nearbye so I know the
boltpattern was right... Buick or Poncho maybe?

> starter is located on opposite of housing for a olds. at least  all the
ones I have ever seen, that
> looks like a ford
> Ron

Thanks,
Clayton

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 05:41:08 -0800 (PST)
From: kenneth treharn <kwt_1950@yahoo.com>
Subject: Speaking of Scrape

Hello List  Man are they scraping the cars in N.E.
Ohio.  I went to the best Junkyard in the area last
week just to see if they had gotten anything good
since last fall. They had a portable crusher and a big
forklift working in the back. Empty spots all over the
once filled rows. At least 300 cars already crushed! 
I move a hood from a 68 Delmont to kinda hide it
because I know someone that sorta needs one. I told
him he better get it soon.  I drive by a Crusher Yard
on the way to work and I am amazed at what they are
crushing. I have thougth about taking my Car Hauler
and sitting near the Yard and buying anything good I
see before they take it in the yard. I tried to buy a
decent 68 Cutlass 2-door that I saw in the yard once.
The Owner (Asshole) wouldn't sell it or any parts off
of it. He said once it gets there EVERYTHING gets
crushed. Later, Ken

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 07:48:58 -0600
From: "jbschuren" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Added a little weight

na... 10.00 bux says he gets much better bass response with the way he
designed the enclosure to fire towards the rear of the car.  This
configuration helps in reinforcing the bass output utilizing transfer
function of the vehicle.

http://www.teamrocs.com/technical/pages/aiming.htm



- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 6:24 AM
Subject: Re: Added a little weight


> Nice box Andy. Maybe shudda pointed the subs at the seat though, not gonna
> get much sound into the cab. I had a JL 10W0 in the trunk of my Delta and
> couldn't hear it with the rear seat installed.
>
> drc
>
> > Here's a picture of the box being mocked up in the trunk:
>

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:22:59 -0600
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: intake manifold installation help

It's been a while since I have installed an intake manifold, so I'd like some advice on getting it right the first time.

This will be a factory W-30 manifold that has enough wear around the water ports that there is a huge water leak at the front unless the Felpro thick gaskets are used instead of the valley pan.  Right now everything is fine with the exception of oil leaking from the corners at the back of the manifold and I want to get that fixed. 

My main question is what, if anything, should I use around the intake ports to seal the gasket to the head and manifold.  I plan on using black RTV to seal the front and rear of the manifold as well as around the water ports.  

     mike

Mike Schlottman
Sr. Systems Administrator
Society of Petroleum Engineers
222 Palisades Creek Drive 
Richardson, TX 75083
972-952-9382

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 09:47:49 EST
From: Flipx99@wmconnect.com
Subject: Re: Added a little weight

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geeting@woh.rr.com writes:


> The box is made out of 3/4" MDF and really only adds about 60lbs

Lucky dog, my system weights a godd 100 lbs. At least I don't ever have to 
add weight for tracton in the winter though...

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:11:33 -0500
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Correction

A few days ago I posted a question about a "Twilight Sentinel". That was
wrong. I should have said "Safety Sentinel", code U15 on the build
sheet. 

The Safety Sentinel is the speed minder speedometer that has a second
adjustable hand that you select for the desired speed. Once you exceed
that speed, the speedometer buzzes.

It is a fairly rare option.......Interesting enough, my car also came
with the Nightwatch option. That is the delayed headlight system that
keeps the headlights on for 1 minute after the car is shut off.

Paul Tumolo 
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:15:18 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: look what I dug out of the scrap pile

At Tuesday, 16 March 2004, you wrote:

>starter is located on opposite of housing for a olds. at least  
>all the ones I have ever seen, that looks like a ford

Looks like has option of mounting starter on either side. But doesn't 
look like any BOP bellhousing from the olden days that I recall. 
Location for the clutch fork is really weird, too.

SteveH



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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 10:19:16 -0800 (PST)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: thoughts on rear gears

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Greetings all,
I'm trying to determine what gears and possible rear end to run in my 69 W-31.  Since I'm building this car to compete in Pure Stock Drag racing, I can run any gear ratio and either the current Type O or I can switch to a chevy 12 bolt.  The car is an automatic and will have a tight convertor (say something in the 800-1200 stall range).  I will also be running repro Goodyear Polyglas F70x14 tires on factory 14x6 SSII rims, roughly 26" tall from what I understand.  The engine will have no problem spinning to the 5700-5800 range.  Currently I have the factory Type O with 3.91 posi.  From looking at similar setups that currently run in Pure Stock, I need at least 4.10s.  I really would like to find some 4.33, but lets assume I don't.  Would 4.56 (in a chevy 12 bolt) be too steep or would 4.10s be the best choice.  The more I think about it, the more I've decided to either a) run the current Type O, ONLY if I can find some 4.33.  b) run the chevy 12 bolt with c-clip eliminators (an
 allowed safety item) with 4.10 or 4.56.  I have a chevy 12 bolt that I can build but I've also got a line on one already built with 4.56 gears.
 
Thoughts, criticisms, concerns?  I'm on digest, so I'll get to reading list replies eventually.
 
Thanks,
Chris
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<DIV>Greetings all,</DIV>
<DIV>I'm trying to determine what gears and possible rear end to run in my 69 W-31.&nbsp; Since I'm building this car to compete in Pure Stock Drag racing, I can run any gear ratio and either the current Type O or I can switch to a chevy 12 bolt.&nbsp; The car is an automatic and will have a tight convertor (say something in the 800-1200 stall range).&nbsp; I will also be running repro Goodyear Polyglas F70x14 tires on&nbsp;factory 14x6 SSII rims, roughly 26" tall from what I understand.&nbsp; The engine will have no problem spinning to the 5700-5800 range.&nbsp; Currently I have the factory Type O with 3.91 posi.&nbsp; From looking at similar setups that currently run in Pure Stock, I need at least 4.10s.&nbsp; I really would like to find some 4.33, but lets assume I don't.&nbsp; Would 4.56 (in a chevy 12 bolt) be too steep or would 4.10s be the best choice.&nbsp; The more I think about it, the more I've decided to either a) run the current Type O, ONLY if I can find some
 4.33.&nbsp; b) run the chevy 12 bolt with c-clip eliminators (an allowed safety item) with 4.10 or 4.56.&nbsp; I have a chevy 12 bolt that I can build but I've also got a line on one already built with 4.56 gears.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thoughts, criticisms, concerns?&nbsp; I'm on digest, so I'll get to reading list&nbsp;replies eventually.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Chris</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:27:22 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FW: : When Oldsmobile Production Ends

I went to the Dallas auto Show here in, um, Dallas :) a couple of 
weekends ago, and I was astounded that the booth bunny at the Olds 
display was rattling on about how you could get the Alero, Bravada, and 
Silhouette in 'final year' maroon - a color unique to final production 
year.
I wanted to puke, frankly. As if it wasn't enough that GM killed the 
OLDEST CONTINUING MARQUE IN AUTOMOTIVE HISTORY, they have to try to 
goad the public into collecting the final year crap. Oo, whoopty, a 
special color. Geez, it's like selling photo ops with your grandad 
because he's about to kick off or something...
I also saw in a newspaper article that GM is actually making more 
Aleros than planned due to demand! Um, hello? Is there anybody home?
Couldn't they at least have made the 442 concept Intrique shown at the 
Olds show, maybe with an Aurora V8, available for the final year? Or a 
supercharged Alero ala Pontiac GTP/Sunfire? Jerks.

krw
On Mar 15, 2004, at 11:02 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:07:55 -0500
> From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
> Subject: FW: : When Oldsmobile Production Ends
>
> Got this from the Motor City Rockets division of the OCA:
>
> "The last Alero (and last Oldsmobile) is scheduled to roll off the 
> line in
> Lansing in the morning on April 29th.
>
> Now also, on April 29th, we plan( tentative now ) to have an event at 
> the
> Olds Museum in Lansing for the Retirees, Oldsmobile Club members etc. 
> And at
> that event I will have one of all the Final 500s and pictures could be 
> made
> at that time."
>
> More as I get it.
>
> Tom Bejma
> Harrison Twp., MI
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:36:14 -0600
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Subject: RE: FW: : When Oldsmobile Production Ends

>>>you could get the Alero, Bravada, and 
Silhouette in 'final year' maroon - a color unique to final production 
year. I wanted to puke, frankly. As if it wasn't enough that GM killed
the 
OLDEST CONTINUING MARQUE IN AUTOMOTIVE HISTORY<<<<

I may well have puked.  

Ian Dixon 

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 19:36:09 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Speaking of Scrape

at a local yard here in nj  there was a asshole who also crushed every dam car i asked about. 
the kick in the ass was i stopped in one day with a junky olds cyclone a friend bought for parts, the owner of the junk yard aka asshole. asked if he buy some parts off it, i replied after we are done we are cutting up dont have to sell parts off. 
knowing the car was worth something in parts i kept alot of the stuff. 3 months later i walk into junk yard he has a row of old cars mainly oldsmobiles, says anything you need. i asked why. he simply said you shoved up my rear and i got the point medaphoricly speaking. ever since then he holds the cars and i get first crack at them in fact he calls me and i eventually sold him the parts.
its been 4 yrs and he still laughs about it.
ron 
> Hello List  Man are they scraping the cars in N.E.
> Ohio.  I went to the best Junkyard in the area last
> week just to see if they had gotten anything good
> since last fall. They had a portable crusher and a big
> forklift working in the back. Empty spots all over the
> once filled rows. At least 300 cars already crushed! 
> I move a hood from a 68 Delmont to kinda hide it
> because I know someone that sorta needs one. I told
> him he better get it soon.  I drive by a Crusher Yard
> on the way to work and I am amazed at what they are
> crushing. I have thougth about taking my Car Hauler
> and sitting near the Yard and buying anything good I
> see before they take it in the yard. I tried to buy a
> decent 68 Cutlass 2-door that I saw in the yard once.
> The Owner (Asshole) wouldn't sell it or any parts off
> of it. He said once it gets there EVERYTHING gets
> crushed. Later, Ken
> 
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 13:27:12 -0800 (PST)
From: Gary Wiles <royale455@yahoo.com>
Subject: re-upholstery seat kits

I got a quote this week from a local upholstery shop for a new interior (carpet,
seats, door panesl, visors, trim) for a total of $3500.  I'm a cheapskate so that's
a bit more than I would like to spend on a car that is just for sunny day joy riding
and pulling a boat.  Kanter says they have seat kits for it (and of course carpet). 
Anyone have any knowledge or experience with the quality and fit of the kits from
Kanter?  I'm not trying to do a restoration just concerned with general appearance
and fit.  The vinyl is really falling apart, especially from cruising down the
highway with the top down... grin

Thanks,
Gary Wiles
1972 88 Royale conv
1994 Aspire (factory color lilac)

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:41:22 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: Yhaaaaa.

> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:53:30 +0100
> From: "Trond-Jarle Pedersen" <olds69@olds69.com>
> Subject: Yhaaaaa.
> 
> It is a glorious day.
> I finally got the parts to rebuild the rear-end in my 69 F-85.
> A brand new posi unit and 3.90 gears + all the bits and 
> pieces to mount it in the rear axel.
> This baby will be screaming.
> Amazing that they started reproducing posi units, (thanks 
> Greg at Supercars)
> All I need now is a larger cam and she is ready to kick some 
> ford ass...
> Changing from 2.56 to 3.90 is a bit steep but since I don't 
> do much highway driving with her I went with the killer combination.
> 
> 
> Trond-Jarle Pedersen
> 
> olds69@olds69.com
> http://www.olds69.com/ 	
 

quote from Trond-Jarle:

"Yhaaaaa"

I couldn't agree more.

Have LOTS of fun with it!
 

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ 

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 14:44:18 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: Was there ever a G Body Olds Nascar ?

> Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:40:31 -0500
> From: "Nicholson, Brad" <Brad.Nicholson@ssa.gov>
> Subject: RE: Was there ever a G Body Olds Nascar ?

snip 

> This is an unofficial message 
> Please DO NOT FORWARD OR PRINT 

Does having this bounced off the reflector to all parts of the world 
count as FORWARDING?

> If a printout is done, it must be destroyed immediately 

Then what's the point of printing it out? Why not just read it off the monitor?
And how would anyone know if I printed it out? 

> Any knowledge of this transmission will be disavowed 

I do that all the time - it's called memory loss due to growing old!

> Brad Nicholson 
> SSA-OS-ODSSIS-DEPS-EAB
> (The Branch Formerly Known As: SSA-OS-OSDD-LAG1-PCADB) 
> Mail Stop: 4-C-14 Operations  
> 6401 Security Blvd., Baltimore, MD 21235 
> Phone: 410-965-3825 
> E-mail: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov 

Kenneth 
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:46:52 -0500
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: re-upholstery seat kits

Gary Wiles wrote:

> I got a quote this week from a local upholstery shop for a new interior (carpet,
> seats, door panesl, visors, trim) for a total of $3500.  I'm a cheapskate so that's
> a bit more than I would like to spend on a car that is just for sunny day joy riding
> and pulling a boat.  Kanter says they have seat kits for it (and of course carpet). 
> Anyone have any knowledge or experience with the quality and fit of the kits from
> Kanter?  I'm not trying to do a restoration just concerned with general appearance
> and fit.  The vinyl is really falling apart, especially from cruising down the
> highway with the top down... grin
> 
> Thanks,
> Gary Wiles
> 1972 88 Royale conv
> 1994 Aspire (factory color lilac)
> 
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   Sorry I can not answer your question about Kanter. I just had 2500.00
in interior repair and replacement done on my 80 toro.(lots of leather) 
It looks great I could not be happier
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:56:24 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: look what I dug out of the scrap pile

Now that's a real F-body!

M

At 08:00 AM 3/16/2004 -0500, Clayton Pierce wrote:
>Oh and for those who might be interested... heres a few pics of my new
>driver... its not GM... F-brand pickup actually...

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 18:14:11 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: FW: : When Oldsmobile Production Ends

Personally, If I was getting shut down by the big brass and politics, my 
final 500 Aleros would not only be a special maroon color, but have a twin 
turbo V-6 cranking 500-600 HP.  I'd more than likley had some body hardware 
and 442 badges too.  But corporate America is more about (job) safety and 
making money.

M

At 01:27 PM 3/16/2004 -0600, Kevin Wright wrote:
>Subject: Re: FW: : When Oldsmobile Production Ends
>To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>
>I went to the Dallas auto Show here in, um, Dallas :) a couple of weekends 
>ago, and I was astounded that the booth bunny at the Olds display was 
>rattling on about how you could get the Alero, Bravada, and Silhouette in 
>'final year' maroon - a color unique to final production year.
>I wanted to puke, frankly. As if it wasn't enough that GM killed the 
>OLDEST CONTINUING MARQUE IN AUTOMOTIVE HISTORY, they have to try to goad 
>the public into collecting the final year crap. Oo, whoopty, a special 
>color. Geez, it's like selling photo ops with your grandad because he's 
>about to kick off or something...
>I also saw in a newspaper article that GM is actually making more Aleros 
>than planned due to demand! Um, hello? Is there anybody home?
>Couldn't they at least have made the 442 concept Intrique shown at the 
>Olds show, maybe with an Aurora V8, available for the final year? Or a 
>supercharged Alero ala Pontiac GTP/Sunfire? Jerks.
>
>krw

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 21:38:13 -0500
From: "Daniel R. Gerow" <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: Horsepower TV Real Ride Cutlass

I happened to catch the end of the episode while recording.  If you'd like
to check out the Cutlass (aka "not a real Four-Fourty-Two" as someone
pointed out earlier) that was chosen, follow the link.

Windows Media player required.  Clip is a bit over a minute and a half.

http://www.oldsrocket.com/fun/hptv.wmv

 ~ Dan

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 Post 4spd
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:46:05 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: ebay 69 H/O

Hmmmmmm.....
LOTS of pix
Wish my car had a data sheet to go with it.
"Ship to Demmer" right on it, sah-weeeet.
So, what's up with this VIN matching the block's stamp?
Look at this, I see the VIN looking like it starts with "79M..." not "39..."

http://www.evsmotors.com/vehicleinventory/oldsmobile/442/1354/027.jpg

Or, is that just me???



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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days


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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:06:31 -0500
From: "Kurt Heinrich" <old442@adelphia.net>
Subject: 69 H/O on e*ay

Not only does it have the wrong heads (or a least 1 wrong head) as someone
pointed out, but is also has the '70-'72 OAI flapper assembly instaead of
the correct one.  For $39K you think you'd get a complete and correct car.
I guess PT Barnum was right...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15287&item
=2466702177

Kurt Heinrich
'71 442
'95 Aurora
old442@adelphia.net

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:03:50 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: more eVil 69 H/O - restamped block from 88/98?

Intake is incorrect, the PCV valve is not in the intake just behind the 
water neck.

VIN stamp on block, besides being incorrect with initial "7" unless I am 
seeing things, appears a LOT less crooked than all the factory ones I have 
seen. Looks machined and re-done to me. Notice that he carfully avoids ANY 
mention of the crucial TRANS ID and VIN derivative numbers, not so easy to 
fake that OH trans tag, is it? Carb number- not mentioned. Distributor 
number- no clue. Dates ond any of these items- nope. May or may not still be 
original parts. Priced like they are, though!

No need to bother getting the correct hose clamps, either, just use the worm 
drive type. Extra vacuum ports on that Thermstatic Vacuum Valve all 
confusing? Don't buy the Service Manual and hook them up correctly, just cap 
them off, that's what Olds would have done, right?
http://www.evsmotors.com/vehicleinventory/oldsmobile/442/1354/029.jpg

Do we suppose this "numbers matching" 455 might be out of an 88 by any 
chance?  Why would the alternator be on the LH side if there's no A/C? And 
why else would the "Owner's Manual" shown be for all the Big Cars- 88, 98, 
etc.
http://www.evsmotors.com/vehicleinventory/oldsmobile/442/1354/014.jpg

How much you wanna bet the block drain plugs are now hidden under the motor 
mounts, because the 88/98 engines used the motor mounts on the FRONT pair of 
holes, and the drain plug was in the boss between the rear pair of 
holes....? Which would PROVE that the block has been re-stamped.

Just for fun, I sent the seller this inquiry:
We are having some fun picking away at this car on the Olds email list. It 
appears that the block is not numbers matching, but re-stamped to LOOK LIKE 
it. Also, the intake is wrong part, the alternator is in the wrong location, 
the Owner's Manual shown is not even for A-body cars... all of which 
indicates that the engine is from a 1968 88 or 98. Would you please be so 
kind as to provide a photo of the block's DRAIN PLUGS, right near the motor 
mounts, easily seen from below? Thanks!

Go figure- private auction- cannot alert the bidders to the more obvious 
inconsistencies.
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 23:12:39 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Milton was RIGHT - again- on the starter brace

Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:35:44 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Please help identify this part

That ***is*** the extra wide starter brace, that also doubles as a heat
shield for the starter. I have two identical to it. Mine came off
403s, one Toronado and one regular passenger car.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com
================
Correct, I was wrong, oh so wrong, you ARE CORRECT of course.
Just dug one out last nite while acid dipping parts.
Dang if it don't look just like that, leetle teeny 3rd hole and everything.
The 2 larger holes are just very close to the same size.
The rib is indeed that large

Now you know where that part goes!
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:25:51 -0500
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: ebay 69 H/O

 Look at this, I see the VIN looking like it starts with "79M..." not
"39..."
Your right it does say 79M.
Service manual says 34487 is a 442 Holiday Coupe.
Wind shield VIN sure looks rusty for a car with 39K.(My 69 Convert. dash is
rusted out and the vin number tag looks a lot better)
Shouldn't the body Tag last 6 numbers(353608) and the vin last 6
numbers(355027) be a little closer not 1419 units apart?(Mine are only 125
units apart) Interesting that all the vehicle info on the Hurst Olds
shipping sheet is very dark but the signatures are barely readable. I guess
the D heads must have screwed up when they switched to unleaded gas in 72.

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Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 22:57:26 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: more eVil 69 H/O - restamped block from 88/98?

you're crazy
that's a compliment

i saw the alternator thing too, i was waiting for someone to mention it

At 11:03 PM 03/16/2004 -0500, you wrote:

>Do we suppose this "numbers matching" 455 might be out of an 88 by any 
>chance?  Why would the alternator be on the LH side if there's no A/C? And 
>why else would the "Owner's Manual" shown be for all the Big Cars- 88, 98, 
>etc.
> 

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 00:19:52 -0800
From: geo.aigel@netzero.net
Subject: Re: re-upholstery seat kits

Gary:

I am not a big-car person. I checked on the PUI website and it seems that 
they do not make kits for the 88.

I would find out who makes the kits for Kanter. Call Kanter and ask. While 
you may not care too much about originality, you want to make sure that the 
quality is tip top. It is a lot of work (or labor cost), so you want to get 
it right the first time.

For the Cutlass world, if I remember right, a grand would buy you pretty 
much a full kit. Front, back seats, panels and carpet. Note that seats 
often need new foam, springs, piano wire, burlap etc., that would be on top 
of a typical kit.

I have never had upholstery work done. I sense that 3500 is a big hunk of 
cash. It seems a bit too much, even if the place custom makes covers and 
doesn't just install kits. I would go to your local club or the car shows 
and talk to people and see who they recommend locally.

Hope this helps some, George

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:10:19 -0500
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: re-upholstery seat kits

Gary,

Don't know about the 88, but OPG (Original Parts Group) has the entire
interior kit (Seat Covers, Carpet, Door Panels, Rear Side Panels) for my '69
Cutlass Convertible for $695.

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gary Wiles [mailto:royale455@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 4:27 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: re-upholstery seat kits
> 
> 
> I got a quote this week from a local upholstery shop for a 
> new interior (carpet,
> seats, door panesl, visors, trim) for a total of $3500.  I'm 
> a cheapskate so that's
> a bit more than I would like to spend on a car that is just 
> for sunny day joy riding
> and pulling a boat.  Kanter says they have seat kits for it 
> (and of course carpet). 
> Anyone have any knowledge or experience with the quality and 
> fit of the kits from
> Kanter?  I'm not trying to do a restoration just concerned 
> with general appearance
> and fit.  The vinyl is really falling apart, especially from 
> cruising down the
> highway with the top down... grin
> 
> Thanks,
> Gary Wiles
> 1972 88 Royale conv
> 1994 Aspire (factory color lilac)
> 
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