
oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, March 25 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4830



RE: A New Olds in the Family!
Oil Primer - I was Wrong....
Re: quadrabog help
RE: quadrabog help
Re: Oil Primer - I was Wrong....
RE: A New Olds in the Family!
SS1 Tire Size
Re: Has anyone seen this
Re: SS1 Tire Size
Choke conversion
more q-jet questions
Re: more q-jet questions
Re: more q-jet questions
RE: more q-jet questions
RE: A New Olds in the Family!
Re: more q-jet questions
Re: Choke conversion
Car lead-98 4dr
Re: SS1 Tire Size
260s after 1980...
Re: Choke conversion
addendum: 260s after 1980...
RE: more q-jet questions
website/chatroom recommendations?  Non-Olds...
Re: Choke conversion
Sad day
RE: A New Olds in the Family!
opinions on a car....
Super stock ones, 15x7 and Disc brakes
Re: Super stock ones, 15x7 and Disc brakes
Re: Super stock ones, 15x7 and Disc brakes
Re: opinions on a car....

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:21:21 -0600
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: RE: A New Olds in the Family!

The main reason I'm considering changing it out is because the current owner
is throwing a Muncie M-21 4-speed in with the deal.  Also, he says the
original 3-speed shifter that is in the car now doesn't work the best.  I
figure I can take my time and rebuild the Muncie and swap it when I'm ready.

I'm sure the 3-speed is rare as production numbers only list 90 3-speeds
built in 65 and I'm guessing a good portion of those were "on-the-tree".

- --
Eric Beaupre

Engineering
eServ LLC
8200 N Allen Rd
Peoria, IL 61615
ofc: 309-691-4957 X1034
fax: 309-691-4960
cel: 309-453-3895
eml: ebeaupre@eserv.biz

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Dave Wyatt
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:17 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: A New Olds in the Family!


Congratulations Eric, that's a nice looking car.

I wouldn't be in a big hurry to replace that three speed.  If it's a Ford
piece, it's a heavier built unit than the GM built Saginaws of the day,
that's why they used them.  Plus you have the somewhat rare 3 speed console,
which is way cool in my warped mind.  Keep it like it is for a while and
enjoy the car for what it is.  Later you can make changes if you feel like
it.


Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser





>From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Subject: A New Olds in the Family!
>Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:45:21 -0600
>
>I'm officially in the club!  I just "won" this car.  Thanks for answering
>all of my questions about the tranny.  If that 3-speed is indeed a F*rd
>unit
>I may have to drop in the M-21 that that comes with the car :)
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2467656015
>Any ideas on how to get it from San Francisco, CA to Peoria, IL :)  I'll
>probably take a flight out with a buddy Friday night and make a weekend out
>of it.  Nobody is by chance driving an empty car trailer eastbound across
>country are they?
>
>I look forward to sharing all that is good and Olds with you guys in the
>future.  Right now I need to go grab a celebratory beer.
>
>Cheers!
>--
>Eric Beaupre
>
>Engineering
>eServ LLC
>8200 N Allen Rd
>Peoria, IL 61615
>ofc: 309-691-4957 X1034
>fax: 309-691-4960
>cel: 309-453-3895
>eml: ebeaupre@eserv.biz
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:23:49 -0500
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Oil Primer - I was Wrong....

I posted my results with a homemade oil primer for my BB Olds build up.
I had stated that the distributor needed to be in place for full oil
pressure.....Well, since I had rebuilt 3 BB Chev engines prior to the
Olds, I was thinking that they were the same. Milton and the service
manual were correct.....

Paul Tumolo
1970 442
OCA # 31967

 

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:48:55 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: quadrabog help

> Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:39:03 -0500
> From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
> Subject: Re: quadrabog help

snip 
 
> But more than likely, all he'll have to do is drive the car a cupla 
> hours and the gaskets will burn through anyway 
> 
> SteveH

OK, maybe I missed something at the beginning of this thread. 

Mike, did you actually block off the exhaust crossover with some form of 
metal plate in the intake or a plug in the heads, or did you just use the 
Mr. Gasket composition intake manifold gaskets as-is and cover the crossover 
passage with them? If all you did was put the gaskets over the crossover 
passages, they will definitely burn through in a short time (been there, 
done that), and any nods you have made will need to be undone.

Kenneth 
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:02:59 -0600
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: RE: quadrabog help

I did not put anything in place other than the gaskets.  How long will it take to burn through?  

I have determined that the choke pull off was bad, along with the other 5 choke pull offs that were on the other 5 quadrejets I have.  I will be replacing it today when I off of work.  I need to do that whether the crossover is blocked or not.


Mike Schlottman
Sr. Systems Administrator
Society of Petroleum Engineers
222 Palisades Creek Drive 
Richardson, TX 75083
972-952-9382


 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Schopen, Kenneth [mailto:kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com]
 > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:49 AM
 > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 > Subject: Re: quadrabog help
 > 
 > 
 > > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 11:39:03 -0500
 > > From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
 > > Subject: Re: quadrabog help
 > 
 > snip 
 >  
 > > But more than likely, all he'll have to do is drive the 
 > car a cupla 
 > > hours and the gaskets will burn through anyway 
 > > 
 > > SteveH
 > 
 > OK, maybe I missed something at the beginning of this thread. 
 > 
 > Mike, did you actually block off the exhaust crossover with 
 > some form of 
 > metal plate in the intake or a plug in the heads, or did you 
 > just use the 
 > Mr. Gasket composition intake manifold gaskets as-is and 
 > cover the crossover 
 > passage with them? If all you did was put the gaskets over 
 > the crossover 
 > passages, they will definitely burn through in a short time 
 > (been there, 
 > done that), and any nods you have made will need to be undone.
 > 
 > Kenneth 
 > 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
 > Phoenix, AZ
 > 

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:06:52 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Oil Primer - I was Wrong....

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Milton and the service
manual were correct.....
I  have not yet seen Milton to be wrong yet!    Remember  it is Milton and 
the service manual, always in that order!!!


: )

Vinny
68 H/O  #511

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 08:18:24 -0600
From: "Marty Henson" <marty-henson@clayton-engineering.com>
Subject: RE: A New Olds in the Family!

Nice car.  Congratulations.
Marty, St. Louis

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Eric Beaupre
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:45 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: A New Olds in the Family!

I'm officially in the club!  I just "won" this car.  Thanks for
answering
all of my questions about the tranny.  If that 3-speed is indeed a F*rd
unit
I may have to drop in the M-21 that that comes with the car :)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2467656015
Any ideas on how to get it from San Francisco, CA to Peoria, IL :)  I'll
probably take a flight out with a buddy Friday night and make a weekend
out
of it.  Nobody is by chance driving an empty car trailer eastbound
across
country are they?

I look forward to sharing all that is good and Olds with you guys in the
future.  Right now I need to go grab a celebratory beer.

Cheers!
- --
Eric Beaupre

Engineering
eServ LLC
8200 N Allen Rd
Peoria, IL 61615
ofc: 309-691-4957 X1034
fax: 309-691-4960
cel: 309-453-3895
eml: ebeaupre@eserv.biz

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:16:46 -0600
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: SS1 Tire Size

What tire size and brand are recommended for use a 65 442 with SS1 wheels.
This will be a street car that will be driven a few thousand miles each
summer.  I'm more concerned with cornering ability than hooking for a
straight line blast.  And of course I don't want to spend a ton either :)

Thanks

Eric

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:26:06 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this

> And they purposely put it in a '64 88 and then put '64 F-85 headlights and a
> grill in it? Also the beat up body? All this when the engineers had access
> to new parts from the assemblyline?

Apparently there is a mis-understanding here.  The front fenders of this car 
are heavily modified, if not entirely fabricated.  In reviewing the photo 
against some others found on the web, this car appears to be a Dynamic 88.  
Super 88s have a thinner molding that runs along the body line and curves down 
to the front bumper.  Jetstar 88s have no moldings at all.  Now, look at that 
molding on the fender.  It comes up quite a bit short compared to stock 
vehicles shown on the web.  It is hard to tell from the angle, but it appears 
that the fender has either been lengthened in the front or the rear (or a 
little of both) making the molding appear short.  'Course, this would have also
required lengthening the hood (or cowl panel), which is hard to tell from this
photo.  Also, look at the line of the wheel opening as opposed to the 
horizontal molding.  It is much higher than a stock unit which can be seen on 
the web.  I see nothing wrong with the body on this car, other than having road
dirt.  The only part that is hammered to hell is what is in front of the cowl 
and that I believe is due to the fender modifications.  It's possible that 
whatever modifications were made to the fenders (or core support to mount them)
didn't allow for a normal full-size headlight and grille assembly to be used.
The F-85 being smaller would be a natural replacement and probably was in fact
pulled from the Olds parts bin.

These guys were not trying to win any styling awards.  It didn't have to be
pretty.  It wasn't supposed to be recognizable.  It was just supposed to work
and be legal so they could test their powertrain.

Paul

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:37:47 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: SS1 Tire Size

BFG Comp T/A

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 9:16 AM
Subject: SS1 Tire Size


> What tire size and brand are recommended for use a 65 442 with SS1 wheels.
> This will be a street car that will be driven a few thousand miles each
> summer.  I'm more concerned with cornering ability than hooking for a
> straight line blast.  And of course I don't want to spend a ton either :)
>
> Thanks
>
> Eric
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:47:07 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Meijers?= <Andre_Meijers@wxs.nl>
Subject: Choke conversion

I'm planning to convert the choke on my Rochester Qudrajet from hot-air to
an electrical one.

Where to find any info about this or how to do it?
Shouldn't be that difficult, just need to find the parts.

André

'74 Cutlass Salon

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:30:30 -0600
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: more q-jet questions

I need to replace my choke pull-off.  The one I bought today is the diaphragm only, no bracket.  How do I get the old diaphragm off of the existing braket.  It looks like I would have to bend it.  Is there a trick, or is it just brute force?

     mike

1970 442 W-30  Carb 7040258

Mike Schlottman
Sr. Systems Administrator
Society of Petroleum Engineers
222 Palisades Creek Drive 
Richardson, TX 75083
972-952-9382

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:48:02 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
Subject: Re: more q-jet questions

At 03:30 PM 3/24/2004, you wrote:
>I need to replace my choke pull-off.  The one I bought today is the 
>diaphragm only, no bracket.  How do I get the old diaphragm off of the 
>existing braket.  It looks like I would have to bend it.  Is there a 
>trick, or is it just brute force?

Is it a metal diaphragm housing, or a plastic one?

The plastic one just slides out of the bracket (i.e. brute force). Usually 
the metal ones have the bracket integral to them.


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:57:36 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: more q-jet questions

You have to carefully pry back the "EARS" that hold the CPO in place. Remove
the two screws that hold the bracket, remove the bracket and clamp it in a
vice. The brackets  are usually good for one "cycle" untill the ears brake
off. A small hammer will also come in handy to tap the CPO out .

The General
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 3:30 PM
Subject: more q-jet questions


> I need to replace my choke pull-off.  The one I bought today is the
diaphragm only, no bracket.  How do I get the old diaphragm off of the
existing braket.  It looks like I would have to bend it.  Is there a trick,
or is it just brute force?
>
>      mike
>
> 1970 442 W-30  Carb 7040258
>
> Mike Schlottman
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> Society of Petroleum Engineers
> 222 Palisades Creek Drive
> Richardson, TX 75083
> 972-952-9382

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 15:06:58 -0600
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: RE: more q-jet questions

The original is metal, the new one is plastic.  The good news is I have 6 bad ones to play with. Today that is good news.  Two days ago it was bad news.  :)

     mike

Mike Schlottman
Sr. Systems Administrator
Society of Petroleum Engineers
222 Palisades Creek Drive 
Richardson, TX 75083
972-952-9382


 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Robert Barry [mailto:rbarry@providence.edu]
 > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:48 PM
 > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 > Subject: Re: more q-jet questions
 > 
 > 
 > At 03:30 PM 3/24/2004, you wrote:
 > >I need to replace my choke pull-off.  The one I bought today is the 
 > >diaphragm only, no bracket.  How do I get the old diaphragm 
 > off of the 
 > >existing braket.  It looks like I would have to bend it.  
 > Is there a 
 > >trick, or is it just brute force?
 > 
 > Is it a metal diaphragm housing, or a plastic one?
 > 
 > The plastic one just slides out of the bracket (i.e. brute 
 > force). Usually 
 > the metal ones have the bracket integral to them.
 > 
 > 
 > _______________________________________
 > Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
 > http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 
 > 
 > 

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:22:43 -0500 (EST)
From: vfquick442@webtv.net (Mark Sopp)
Subject: RE: A New Olds in the Family!

Congrats Eric.....and welcome with the first ~432~......that I know of.

:-)

Markas


http://community.webtv.net/vfquick442/My1970442

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:26:31 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: more q-jet questions

If it is plastic, then they sold you the wrong one ...........
66-69 were plastic - 70 and up were metal ..............
I have not seen plastic replacements for the metal CPOs ..

The General

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 4:06 PM
Subject: RE: more q-jet questions


> The original is metal, the new one is plastic.  The good news is I have 6
bad ones to play with. Today that is good news.  Two days ago it was bad
news.  :)
>
>      mike
>
> Mike Schlottman
> Sr. Systems Administrator
> Society of Petroleum Engineers
> 222 Palisades Creek Drive
> Richardson, TX 75083
> 972-952-9382
>
>
>  > -----Original Message-----
>  > From: Robert Barry [mailto:rbarry@providence.edu]
>  > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:48 PM
>  > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>  > Subject: Re: more q-jet questions
>  >
>  >
>  > At 03:30 PM 3/24/2004, you wrote:
>  > >I need to replace my choke pull-off.  The one I bought today is the
>  > >diaphragm only, no bracket.  How do I get the old diaphragm
>  > off of the
>  > >existing braket.  It looks like I would have to bend it.
>  > Is there a
>  > >trick, or is it just brute force?
>  >
>  > Is it a metal diaphragm housing, or a plastic one?
>  >
>  > The plastic one just slides out of the bracket (i.e. brute
>  > force). Usually
>  > the metal ones have the bracket integral to them.
>  >
>  >
>  > _______________________________________
>  > Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
>  > http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/
>  >
>  >

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 16:28:22 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Choke conversion

Most 75 and up carbs used an electric choke ..........
Grab one from a yard, hook up 12 volts from a
"switched" terminal - you are all set ...

The General
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "André Meijers" <Andre_Meijers@wxs.nl>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:47 PM
Subject: Choke conversion


> I'm planning to convert the choke on my Rochester Qudrajet from hot-air to
> an electrical one.
>
> Where to find any info about this or how to do it?
> Shouldn't be that difficult, just need to find the parts.
>
> André
>
> '74 Cutlass Salon
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 14:37:52 -0700
From: Kevin.Kelley@afscn.com
Subject: Car lead-98 4dr

There was a decent looking Olds 98 4dr HT listed recently on Ebay that
didn't sell. Talked to the owner and he needs to get rid of it.
The heads have been removed. Car is in the Los Angeles, CA area. Perhaps
somebody close by would be interested. 
His name is Art, phone 909-437-2559. Car can still be seen by doing an Ebay
search by item #2465415496. Looks too nice to
part out and crush, but I can't afford to fly from Colorado to find out. If
anybody does get a chance to see it why not post what you
found, or if you bought it.

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 17:43:49 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: SS1 Tire Size

On Wed, 24 Mar 2004, Eric Beaupre wrote:
> What tire size and brand are recommended for use a 65 442 with SS1 wheels.
> This will be a street car that will be driven a few thousand miles each
> summer.  I'm more concerned with cornering ability than hooking for a
> straight line blast.  And of course I don't want to spend a ton either :)

I assume those SS1's are 14x6? In that case I would suggest you stick with
a 70-series tire. I have BFG Comp T/As on my '68 in 215/70-14 size. Good
tire.

Congrats on the acquisition - I always liked those '65s. Reminds me a bit
of Doug Newman's former '65.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:10:28 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: 260s after 1980...

All,

	Ok, I've often said that my 1979 Calais with the 260 feels like it's got a
bit more punch than its power numbers (105 net hp, 205 net ft-lbs) would
seem to indicate.  This despite the fact that the poor little 260 is stuck
with 2.29 gears.

	In fact, as an aside, I've checked out a Cutlass or two (late 70s) that
had a 260, though the owner didn't know what I had, and when I asked "260
or 305?" they said "Probably the bigger one, it's got some balls...."



	Anyway, enough with the prelude, onto my question.  Once 1981 hit, it
seems that the 260 lost a bit of power (at least on paper), being rated at
100 net hp and 190 net ft-lbs.  This would almost seem to make the 231 more
desireable, as it's got the same torque and 10 more horsies. (not to
mention the little v6 is probably seriously lighter-weight).

	However, my question to those who've driven 1981-and-later vehicles with a
factory 260 . .  how does it *feel*?  Does it seem to have more power than
the numbers say?


	Related question:  How good/bad is the 260 in those years with regards to
a tangle of hoses all over the place?  The pre-1981 ones aren't bad.  As I
recall, the 307s are saddled with miles of vacuum lines, hoses, and such to
get all the emissions stuff to play nicely.  Does the 1981-and-later 260
have the same thing going on underhood?

	Thanks in advance...


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:03:49 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Choke conversion

do not use the feed wire to the coil as youre switched soarce
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 4:28 PM
Subject: Re: Choke conversion


> Most 75 and up carbs used an electric choke ..........
> Grab one from a yard, hook up 12 volts from a
> "switched" terminal - you are all set ...
>
> The General
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "André Meijers" <Andre_Meijers@wxs.nl>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:47 PM
> Subject: Choke conversion
>
>
> > I'm planning to convert the choke on my Rochester Qudrajet from hot-air to
> > an electrical one.
> >
> > Where to find any info about this or how to do it?
> > Shouldn't be that difficult, just need to find the parts.
> >
> > André
> >
> > '74 Cutlass Salon
> >
>
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:15:11 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: addendum: 260s after 1980...

Oh, I should've also asked . . . am I correct in assuming that the later
260s, despite the extra emissions equipment, still has a reputation of
lasting more or less forever?

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:17:04 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: RE: more q-jet questions

At 03:06 PM 3/24/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>The original is metal, the new one is plastic.  The good news is I 
>have 6 bad ones to play with. Today that is good news.  Two days 
>ago it was bad news.  :)

How didja confirm they're all bad, sucked on the spigot? I have yet to run
across a bad one on an e-Qjet.

SteveH

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 19:39:15 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: website/chatroom recommendations?  Non-Olds...

All,

	Ok, here's one for ya....

	My wife says she's got a co-worker who has a recent-model Chevy Malibu.
She's been having problems here and there.

	Now the question is, are there any websites, chat-rooms, email lists, or
whatever, that anyone would recommend?  She doesn't really know much about
cars, but is the type that likes to learn.

	I figured that heck, I learned a LOT being on this list...... so if
anyone's got any recommendations that are appropriate to her vehicle, let
me know.

	Thanks.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:27:03 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Choke conversion

Good point - it is only 6 volts on a non HEI

The General       patton442@verizon.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: Choke conversion


> do not use the feed wire to the coil as youre switched soarce
> ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 4:28 PM
> Subject: Re: Choke conversion
>
>
> > Most 75 and up carbs used an electric choke ..........
> > Grab one from a yard, hook up 12 volts from a
> > "switched" terminal - you are all set ...
> >
> > The General
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "André Meijers" <Andre_Meijers@wxs.nl>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 2:47 PM
> > Subject: Choke conversion
> >
> >
> > > I'm planning to convert the choke on my Rochester Qudrajet from
hot-air to
> > > an electrical one.
> > >
> > > Where to find any info about this or how to do it?
> > > Shouldn't be that difficult, just need to find the parts.
> > >
> > > André
> > >
> > > '74 Cutlass Salon
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:17:10 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Sad day

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Hey everyone

Well,  today they came and picked up my 64 442.

It is going to Canton,  Ohio,   but first it is stopping off in Florida for a 
fram off.

<sigh>

Oh well

Vinny
68 H/O  #511

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:41:41 -0500
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: A New Olds in the Family!

You can send any Hurst shifter to Mr. Gasket (who now owns Hurst) and they
will rebuild it.  I don't know current prices.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '99 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Eric Beaupre
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:21 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: A New Olds in the Family!
>
>
> The main reason I'm considering changing it out is because the
> current owner
> is throwing a Muncie M-21 4-speed in with the deal.  Also, he says the
> original 3-speed shifter that is in the car now doesn't work the best.  I
> figure I can take my time and rebuild the Muncie and swap it when
> I'm ready.
>
> I'm sure the 3-speed is rare as production numbers only list 90 3-speeds
> built in 65 and I'm guessing a good portion of those were "on-the-tree".
>
> --
> Eric Beaupre
>
> Engineering
> eServ LLC
> 8200 N Allen Rd
> Peoria, IL 61615
> ofc: 309-691-4957 X1034
> fax: 309-691-4960
> cel: 309-453-3895
> eml: ebeaupre@eserv.biz
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Dave Wyatt
> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 8:17 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: A New Olds in the Family!
>
>
> Congratulations Eric, that's a nice looking car.
>
> I wouldn't be in a big hurry to replace that three speed.  If it's a Ford
> piece, it's a heavier built unit than the GM built Saginaws of the day,
> that's why they used them.  Plus you have the somewhat rare 3
> speed console,
> which is way cool in my warped mind.  Keep it like it is for a while and
> enjoy the car for what it is.  Later you can make changes if you feel like
> it.
>
>
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2
> 67 Vista Cruiser
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
> >Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> >To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> >Subject: A New Olds in the Family!
> >Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 18:45:21 -0600
> >
> >I'm officially in the club!  I just "won" this car.  Thanks for answering
> >all of my questions about the tranny.  If that 3-speed is indeed a F*rd
> >unit
> >I may have to drop in the M-21 that that comes with the car :)
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2467656015
> >Any ideas on how to get it from San Francisco, CA to Peoria, IL :)  I'll
> >probably take a flight out with a buddy Friday night and make a
> weekend out
> >of it.  Nobody is by chance driving an empty car trailer eastbound across
> >country are they?
> >
> >I look forward to sharing all that is good and Olds with you guys in the
> >future.  Right now I need to go grab a celebratory beer.
> >
> >Cheers!
> >--
> >Eric Beaupre
> >
> >Engineering
> >eServ LLC
> >8200 N Allen Rd
> >Peoria, IL 61615
> >ofc: 309-691-4957 X1034
> >fax: 309-691-4960
> >cel: 309-453-3895
> >eml: ebeaupre@eserv.biz
> >
>
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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:07:00 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: opinions on a car....

All,

Well, I'm once again looking at a car..... yeah, well, let's see if I
actually wind up deciding to buy it.  82 Cutlass Supreme in NY with a 260
(hence my previous email about the 260 engine).

Anyway, take a look at the following ad:

http://www.cars.com/search/used/cc/standard/results/single/ld/detail.jhtml?p
aId=142126582&aff=national&src=&cid=

You'll probably have to cut & paste that in chunks to get it to work.

Now, there's a catch.... the headliner may be so-so... owner told me it
came down, and that he reglued it and it looks "pretty good".  No biggie.

Also, he said that the defroster used to fog up the windshield BADLY, to
the point he couldn't see.  Shop charged him $500 to fix that, and I'm
assuming that means a new heater core was put in.

The real gotcha, is that it runs rough.  The shop the guy goes to says it's
got low compression in cyl #1, and that it's because it needs a new
camshaft.  That's something I've never done, nor do I have the time to do
as I'm looking to get this as a "nice driver" type of car.

So, likewise, I'd have to get a shop to do that.  Think it's worth asking
at his price if he gets the problem fixed?

And . . . would a 307 or 350 camshaft give the poor little 260 a bit more
oomph, or overwhelm the thing and confuse the computer and emission gizmos?
 I was looking at the FAQ at 442.com and it seems the specs of the 307
camshaft aren't listed.  The pre-1977 260 seems quite close to the 350's
cam, and the 1977 and later 260 . . well, the numbers don't seem to make
sense.

Thanks again everyone....

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:18:16 -0600
From: "Michael Brady" <mbrady38@comcast.net>
Subject: Super stock ones, 15x7 and Disc brakes

 listers,

I just ordered a set of 15x7 Super stock ones from specialty wheel in
Portland, I was told that these will fit my 66' 442 that has a 1969 disc
brake set-up?? Has anyone here been there and done that before??

Thanks in advance..........

Michael Brady
1966 442 Factory L-69
OCA-IVOC-NAOC-Starfire club

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 00:33:22 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Super stock ones, 15x7 and Disc brakes

Michael,

I was online when this came in, so I thought I'd respond with what I know.

The problem with wheel clearance on disc brakes is usually on 14" wheels.  
The 15" wheels have just enough extra width that they clear OK.  I know I had 
someone offer me a 14" wheel for my 1970 Cutlass Supreme once that was from a 
Brand C Nova.  "They both have 14" wheels" was his take on the situation, but 
what he failed to realize was that the Nova had front _drum_ brakes, and my SX 
had discs.  The wheels didn't fit.

There might be some oddball 15" wheels that wouldn't fit on a disc 
brake-equipped car, but I'd bet most of the 15" wheels out there will do fine.

Take Care,
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 23:39:39 -0600
From: "Michael Brady" <mbrady38@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Super stock ones, 15x7 and Disc brakes

> Michael,
>
> I was online when this came in, so I thought I'd respond with what I know.
>
> The problem with wheel clearance on disc brakes is usually on 14" wheels.
> The 15" wheels have just enough extra width that they clear OK.  I know I
had
> someone offer me a 14" wheel for my 1970 Cutlass Supreme once that was
from a
> Brand C Nova.  "They both have 14" wheels" was his take on the situation,
but
> what he failed to realize was that the Nova had front _drum_ brakes, and
my SX
> had discs.  The wheels didn't fit.
>
> There might be some oddball 15" wheels that wouldn't fit on a disc
> brake-equipped car, but I'd bet most of the 15" wheels out there will do
fine.
>
> Take Care,
> SrA Ken Snyder
> Kansas City, Kansas

Hello Ken,

Thanks for your take and I think your right, it's just that little bit of
doubt creeps in............I can see if I had some aftermarket big brakes
but having the factory GM discs I'm hoping all will fit:-)

Again.......thanks.

Michael Brady
1966 442 Factory L-69
OCA-IVOC-NAOC-Starfire Club

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 05:43:32 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: opinions on a car....

At 11:07 PM 3/24/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Anyway, take a look at the following ad:
>
>http://www.cars.com/search/used/cc/standard/results/single/ld/detail.jhtml?p
>aId=142126582&aff=national&src=&cid=
>
>You'll probably have to cut & paste that in chunks to get it to work.
>
>Now, there's a catch.... the headliner may be so-so... owner told me it
>came down, and that he reglued it and it looks "pretty good".  No biggie.
>
>Also, he said that the defroster used to fog up the windshield BADLY, to
>the point he couldn't see.  Shop charged him $500 to fix that, and I'm
>assuming that means a new heater core was put in.

That's absolutely INCREDIBLE. That's as bad as the PO of my '83 M*libu
wagon having paid $1100 to AAMCO to get the 350C tranny rebuilt back in '92.

>The real gotcha, is that it runs rough.  The shop the guy goes to says it's
>got low compression in cyl #1, and that it's because it needs a new
>camshaft.  That's something I've never done, nor do I have the time to do
>as I'm looking to get this as a "nice driver" type of car.

$1950 seems an awful lot for an '82, especially with the above problems.
And I wonder about his claim that the NADA blue-book value is $7K..... at
that rate, I couldn't afford to own an '82 and pay my city's taxes on the
thing!

>So, likewise, I'd have to get a shop to do that.  Think it's worth asking
>at his price if he gets the problem fixed?

No.

>And . . . would a 307 or 350 camshaft give the poor little 260 a bit more
>oomph, or overwhelm the thing and confuse the computer and emission gizmos?
> I was looking at the FAQ at 442.com and it seems the specs of the 307
>camshaft aren't listed.  The pre-1977 260 seems quite close to the 350's
>cam, and the 1977 and later 260 . . well, the numbers don't seem to make
>sense.

See:
http://engineparts.com/Motorhead/techstuff/stockcspecs/oldsmobile.html

Doesn't give the specs for the 307-roller or either 307-9 cam,
unfortunately. Obviously, the 350-dissel roller cam couldn't possibly have
been used in the 307-gas engines  ;o\

It's very likely that the 307-roller cam is very close to the same specs as
the non-roller although with some small adjustment for the computer. The
CSMs give us the cam lobe lifts for the cams and rocker arm ratios; the
307-Ys were about 0.398-0.400" lift while the 307-9 cams were both right at
0.440" lift and likely a tad more duration. You will notice that the 260
has about the same valve lift but about 10 degrees less duration than the
307-non-roller, probably to keep the torque up a bit at low rpm. Someone
here once tried an A4 intake on a 260 and had trouble getting the water
ports to seal properly; don't recall if they found some difference in the
260 head's water ports or not. Someone else did the same and reported he
lost all bottom end torque. The 260's intake ports are similar in
size/configuration to the 307-roller's "girly-ports": tiny. Unless you had
a high-ratio rear end, you probably would lose quite a bit of bottom end
get-up-and-go if you transplanted an A4 and larger cam. I'm sure someone
properly motivated could make a 260 get up and make some decent power but
it'd likely be sorely lacking in bottom end torque so you'd wind up with a
high-winder that doesn't make much power till high rpm. Frod had a 260 V8
in '63/'64 that was a decent high-rpm engine for the relatively-lightweight
63-1/2 Rustang, but it had very little torque/power at the bottom end.

Personally, I doubt that 29,200-mile claim in the ad and think $1950 is at
least twice what the car's actually worth, even without the aforementioned
problems. His $7K-NADA claim and $500-to-replace-heater-core makes me think
that seller ain't playing with a full deck  ;o\  ;o\  ;o\

And besides that, having a cam lobe go flat at only 29K miles would be
unusual even on a Ch*bby, let alone an Oldsmobile. Ch*bby had a lotta cams
go flat in the late-'70s/early-'80s but they at least used to last some
50K-100K miles.

SteveH

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