
oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, April 13 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4854



Silhouette/Transport/etc Turn Signal Problem
Re:trunk mount battery install
Re: Longest owned Olds - 67 yellow on yellow option
Alain Picard ???
RE: ref; cover plate
RE: Silhouette/Transport/etc Turn Signal Problem
Re: Longest owned Olds - 67 yellow on yellow option
Re: 58 vapor lock?
Re: Longest owned Olds - 67 yellow on yellow option
RE: Silhouette/Transport/etc Turn Signal Problem
RE: Silhouette/Transport/etc Turn Signal Problem
RE: ref; cover plate
Re: Anyone done a water pump on a '96 Silhouette/Lumina/Trans Sport minivan?
Re: Console For Sale
Garage Needed
'69 D88 wiper motor interchange?
Re: Longest owned Olds - 67 yellow on yellow option
RE: ref; cover plate
Re: Anyone done a water pump on a '96 Silhouette/Lumina/Trans Sport minivan?
Re: '69 D88 wiper motor interchange?
RE: Silhouette/Transport/etc Turn Signal Problem
1967 442's: ALL based on the CSup, or not? 
1967 Vista Deck lid on ebay 
Front end rebuild
Re: 1967 442's: ALL based on the CSup, or not?
RE: Front end rebuild
RE: 1967 442's: ALL based on the CSup, or not?
Re: 1967 442's: ALL based on the CSup, or not?
Holley Power Valves
Re: 1967 442's: ALL based on the CSup, or not?
Re: Holley Power Valves
RE: Front end rebuild
RE: 1967 442's: ALL based on the CSup, or not?

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:06:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: Silhouette/Transport/etc Turn Signal Problem

My wife's Silhouette has turn signals coupled with
front running lights that each have their own bulbs -
Turn signal activation causes them to alternate
blinking between front running light and side blinker.
 

One side had a burned out front running light bulb,
causing it not to light, but everything else blinks
very rapidly.  (can't see turn indicator from the
front of the vehicle, only the side and back, if that
makes it any more clear).

I tried several times changing the bulbs (they are
both the same) and once in a while it works.  Now the
other side of the car has the same problem.  

Anyone have any ideas on this?  it is just
intermittent enough to be confusing (to me, anyway).

Thanks,
Bill
1970 Cutlass 'S' and 1998 Olds Silhouette

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:23:19 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re:trunk mount battery install

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In a message dated 4/11/04 3:37:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  
jtmwalt@netsync.net
writes:

> What is the best way to wire a trunk mount battery? Is there are a benefit
> if you wire in a Ford style relay intead of going right to the starter with
> the main power cable. This is for a bb Olds of course.

Joe,
      I would suggest contacting Mark at Mad Electrical.  
http://www.madelectrical.com/    He is an automotive electrical guru and has authored hundreds of 
articles in Hot Rod, Car Craft and other automotive magazines over the years. 
 He is a great guy to talk to and can help you with any problems you may 
encounter along the way.  I have installed several electrical upgrades from his 
company in both of my Oldsmobiles, one of which being the trunk mounted battery 
and remote solenoid.  I also installed a Flaming River cutoff switch to comply 
with NHRA regulations.  Mark guided me through the installation and offered 
helpful suggestions to allow me to get it right.  He is an old school kind of 
person and he really takes time to help you out.  Good luck with the project 
and don't forget to put the battery in the trunk sideways and not longways so 
you keep the inner plates from wanting to slap together on hard launches.  Don't 
ask me how I know that,
Steve D

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:26:14 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Longest owned Olds - 67 yellow on yellow option

Paul, I'd certainly want to restore it back to yellow on yellow. But have
you had success finding the yellow upholstery? I seem to recall reading on
this list in years back that it was made of unobtainium.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 16:32:37 -0400
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Alain Picard ???

Hey List,

        Does anyone know an Alain Picard
from Tampa ????


The General       patton442@verizon.net

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:33:57 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: RE: ref; cover plate

John,

Is there a part number on that piece anywhere?  If we could get a part number (or a casting number I can turn into a part number), we might be able to get somewhere.

Paul

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:32:43 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Silhouette/Transport/etc Turn Signal Problem

>I tried several times changing the bulbs (they are
>both the same) and once in a while it works.  Now the
>other side of the car has the same problem.

I'm wondering whether you've got a bad ground on the affected front sockets. 
The side markers straddle the turn-signal and parking-light circuits, so 
they don't have ground problems per se, but the fronts can start to go 
slightly bonkers on you if their ground connection goes bad.

I'm assuming here that you have good bulbs to install, and know how to 
install them properly.  ;-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 14:37:09 -0700
From: Paul Kelleher <pjkell@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Longest owned Olds - 67 yellow on yellow option

I could not locate interior panels or upholstery sets in the correct 
yellow vinyl from any of the usual sources.  I also found out that the 
door panel sets that were available (parchment, etc) were not the same 
as the downscale F85 panels that came in my car.  The panels in the 
front and rear of the 67 F85 are flat and do not include the curved 
portion that extends up and around to the window.  This upper portion of 
the door interior is bare metal painted to the exterior color.

I found some so called correct vinly from SMS in Portland Oregon at 
$45/yard (the running yard is 54" wide).  The material sample looked 
very thin, so at that price I figured I could look around for something 
else.  I found a heavier and more durable marine vinyl product that was 
a fairly good match in color and texture to the original yellow madrid. 
 It is called Baypoint II/Melowhide II, in the Sand Pebble color.  I 
bought it for $9.50 a yard from American Trim & Upholstery, Tulsa Oklahoma.

Paul Kelleher



Greg Beaulieu wrote:

>Paul, I'd certainly want to restore it back to yellow on yellow. But have
>you had success finding the yellow upholstery? I seem to recall reading on
>this list in years back that it was made of unobtainium.
>
>Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com
>
>
>  
>

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:11:12 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 58 vapor lock?

Carter P4594 = 72 GPH @ 7 PSI
Carter P4600HP = 100 GPH @ 7 PSI

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


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From: "J Pajak" <ransomeliolds@yahoo.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 7:05 AM
Subject: 58 vapor lock?


>
> --- "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> wrote:
> Buy a Carter 100 GPH electric fuel pump that is self
> regulated at 7 psi...no
> regulator needed. Mount it as close to the gas tank
> as possible. Run a 10
> gauge wire back to it. Use at lease a 3/8" fuel line
> to the carbs. A 1/2"
> line would be better.
>
> *************************
> I believe that's the #4594 Carter Pump. Same one I
> have on the 72 W30. I have mine as a pusher, mounted
> near the tank, and I still have the original
> mechanical pump on the engine. Low 13s back to back,
> no problems in the heat.
>
>
>
>
> =====
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>
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:17:40 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Longest owned Olds - 67 yellow on yellow option

At 02:37 PM 4/12/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>I bought it for $9.50 a yard from American Trim & Upholstery, Tulsa 
>Oklahoma.

I think American Trim are good people; I've bought from them and will do so
again. Their web site is http://www.atrim.com/ They even called me to ask a
clarifying question.

SteveH

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:14:20 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: RE: Silhouette/Transport/etc Turn Signal Problem

At 09:32 PM 4/12/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>>I tried several times changing the bulbs (they are
>>both the same) and once in a while it works.  Now the
>>other side of the car has the same problem.
>
>I'm wondering whether you've got a bad ground on the affected front sockets. 
>The side markers straddle the turn-signal and parking-light circuits, so 
>they don't have ground problems per se, but the fronts can start to go 
>slightly bonkers on you if their ground connection goes bad.
>
>I'm assuming here that you have good bulbs to install, and know how to 
>install them properly.  ;-)

..... and further, that the sockets are also in great shape. I've had
problems with 2-year-old sockets before and have on-going issues with one
on my '88 wagon. If the bulbs get too hot and the solder on the base
terminals begins to flow, it can leave a deposit on the socket's contact
that doesn't give a good, consistent contact. That may be the cause of
"sometimes it works, sometimes it don't".

If you do try sticking something in there to scrape off the contacts,
remember to have the ignition and lights OFF  =========8-O  Otherwise,
you'll next get to figger out where the fuse is ;o(

And do use bulb grease, available from local parts stores everywhere.

SteveH

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 15:32:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Silhouette/Transport/etc Turn Signal Problem

Thanks Steve and Andy - good ideas all.  By the way,
I'm presuming that the grounding is via a wire back to
the body somewhere.  Please correct me if that's
wrong.

Along with grounds, the corroded sockets makes sense -
they didn't look too good both times I replaced bulbs.
 Also, I'll use the grease this time, even though it
goes against my cheap nature.

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 18:33:36 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: ref; cover plate

I just took a good look at it and there don't seem to be any numbers stamped
into it. It is a stamped sheet metal piece rather than a cast piece. I don't
know if they put numbers on those.

Thanks,
John


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 4:34 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: ref; cover plate

John,

Is there a part number on that piece anywhere?  If we could get a part
number (or a casting number I can turn into a part number), we might be able
to get somewhere.

Paul

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:16:42 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone done a water pump on a '96 Silhouette/Lumina/Trans Sport minivan?

  its not a aba one to do remove belt gaurd  then belt  remove pully and the retaining bolts notice
its position since the new one  will only lone up in the correctly clocked position
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 12:14 PM
  Subject: Anyone done a water pump on a '96 Silhouette/Lumina/Trans Sport minivan?


  > Has anyone done a water pump on a '96 Silhouette/Lumina/Trans Sport minivan?
  > Ours is losing coolant at an impressive rate, and although I haven't caught
  > it actually dripping, the spray pattern under the hood seems pretty clearly
  > to indicate that a weep hole behind the water pump pulley is leaking, and
  > the spinning pulley is then hurling it all over the place. (I guess this is
  > better than a leaking radiator, which I had first suspected, but which I now
  > notice isn't steaming or dripping at all; it's just getting wet along with
  > everything else in line with the pulleys.)
  >
  > The job looks deceptively simple since the pump is up front and apparently
  > easy to remove; any tips (and pricing for the part) appreciated before I
  > launch into this on Thursday.
  >
  > -- Andy
  >
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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 20:21:29 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Console For Sale

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Hi Guys,
       A friend in NY is trying to sell a black console from a 70 Cutlass 
convertible.  It is complete, with shifter and in very nice condition, except for 
a small crack in the door.  He wants $250 plus shipping.  He works on the 
road through the week and is only home on weekends, thus my posting this for him. 
 Anyone interested in this console, please contact me and I will pass along 
the info.
Thanks,
Steve D
PS  He has other convertible parts for sale as well.  Not sure what all is 
left, as he has been selling stuff locally.  Inquire with needs and I'll pass 
that along too

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Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 23:31:31 -0400
From: "Christian Sager" <chris.sager@cox.net>
Subject: Garage Needed

Hey Guys,

So the time has come to move out of my parent's house.  I live in
Glastonbury, CT and have a '71 Chevelle SS 454 sitting in the garage a
long way from running.

I'm looking for a dry place to store the car for as long as 2 years.
The car rolls but does not run (no engine in it).

If anyone knows any good resources in this area other than self storage
places (they are an option but an expensive one) please let me know.

I just can't bear to let my baby go.  I'm sure it's financially stupid
to store it, but it's about my only option other than selling it right
now.

Thanks

Christian Sager

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 05:49:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Brian LeFain <slefain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: '69 D88 wiper motor interchange?

So the wiper motor is dead on my '69 Delta 88, the
little Rube-Goldberg switch setup on the top of the
motor has fallen apart. What cars can I get a wiper
motor off of, or will fit with minor work.

=====
BrianM
'69 Delta 88 Convertible (The Barge)


	
		
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:54:51 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Longest owned Olds - 67 yellow on yellow option

> Paul, I'd certainly want to restore it back to yellow on yellow. But have
> you had success finding the yellow upholstery? I seem to recall reading on
> this list in years back that it was made of unobtainium.

Different Paul, but answering anyway...

There is a gentleman down south that re-did the interior of his '67 98
convertible.  He was able to obtain the original pearl yellow vinyl material.
Of course, the 98 uses a different grain the the Cutlass models do, but the
Cutlass yellow should be available, too.  Probably from SMS or one of those
places.  Don't remember seeing any kits in the catalogs.

I think what is really made of unobtainium is the matching yellow convertible
top material.

Paul

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 13:03:22 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: RE: ref; cover plate

> I just took a good look at it and there don't seem to be any numbers stamped
> into it. It is a stamped sheet metal piece rather than a cast piece. I don't
> know if they put numbers on those.

Sometimes they stamp numbers on sheetmetal parts like that one that aren't
cosmetic.  Sometimes not.  I'll have to see if I can dig out an illustrated
catalog and try to find something that looks like it.

Paul

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:37:12 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone done a water pump on a '96 Silhouette/Lumina/Trans Sport minivan?

>it's not a a bad one to do remove belt guard then belt remove pulley
>and the retaining bolts notice its position since the new one will only
>line up in the correctly clocked position
>   ron

Thanks, everybody. I ended up buying a new aftermarket pump from Lee 
Automotive last night for $30+change -- they had a remanufactured one for 
$19, but that came with a plastic impeller
instead of a metal one, and I absolutely couldn't get its gasket to line up 
properly no matter which way I turned it (tried both sides up, too). Will be 
installing it on Thursday...

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:34:51 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: '69 D88 wiper motor interchange?

> So the wiper motor is dead on my '69 Delta 88, the
> little Rube-Goldberg switch setup on the top of the
> motor has fallen apart. What cars can I get a wiper
> motor off of, or will fit with minor work.

- -------------------

Most any '69 or '70 B or C body should work, as long as it has the hidden
wipers (park below the hood lip).

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:47:05 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Silhouette/Transport/etc Turn Signal Problem

>Thanks Steve and Andy - good ideas all.  By the way,
>I'm presuming that the grounding is via a wire back to
>the body somewhere.  Please correct me if that's
>wrong.

I haven't pulled mine out of the minivan recently, but generally speaking, 
your front parking/turn-signal sockets are almost invariably three-wire 
sockets: the turn-signal circuit may be yellow (port) or green (starboard), 
the parking/tail circuit will be brown, and the ground wire will be black.

Turn on the parking lights and the four-way flashers. Any bulb that goes out 
when it's supposed to get brighter has a ground problem, since it's 
apparently using the unpowered circuit as a ground, and when both circuits 
through the bulb are live at the same time but no ground connection is 
present, the current has nowhere to go, and the bulb goes out. Ground 
problems are more likely to occur in the socket than at the point where the 
ground wires converge on a body connection.

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:55:45 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 1967 442's: ALL based on the CSup, or not? 

You're not doing well with this 67 Cutlass info here.
ALL 67 442's were built from Cutlass Supremes.
==============
Please cite your references
My experience and sources tell me that the 442 option was available on all 
the A-bodies from the F85 to the Supreme, with differing costs for each 
model that was to be upgraded.
   Corrections ALWAYS appreciated, but "facts" must be backed up with some 
references.  If you are, say, the National Senior OCA Judge, I will 
re-assess my information.


Therefore; all 442's, which were built on the Cutlass Supreme platform, have 
the back-up lights on either side of the license plate recess in the bumper.
============
True. As worded.If you clarify that to 1967 models.
However... I assert that not all 1967 442's were based on the CSup.
Therefore, "all 1967 442's, which were based on F85 or Cutlass models, used 
this type bumper" is also true.


I'm not hassling you. Just thought you should be knowlegeable about what 
you're
selling. 67htc
=============
Of course, sir. Tips ALWAYS appreciated.
Now, what's your source of expertise?

I fwd'd this to the experts on the email list to hash thru as well.

What say ye, listmemebers? Surely ONE of you has or has seen the elusive 
1967 442 which was NOT based on the Cutlass Supreme, and is not home-made?

Or, If I am incorrect, by all means set me straight [and cite your sources].
- -----------------------
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:58:41 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 1967 Vista Deck lid on ebay 

>From: raydar@outdrs.net
>To: rocketscience442@hotmail.com
>Subject: Question from eBay Member: 67 Olds 1967 442 Cutlass DECKLID 
>minimal rust, no ship
>Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 21:37:44 -0700
>
>Dear *the*rocketscientist,
>
>Mr. Scientist,
>A truck lid for a Vista Cruiser. Surely you jest?
>That's very strange science; indeed.
>
>To view the item, go to: 
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2473375397
>
>Thank you,
>67htc
=================
Hey, just because you have not seen one, does not mean they do not exist!
With torch and welder, all things are possible.
:-)

Obviously I forgot to delete that wording when altering the text to make the 
ad.
But, hey, if it fits your Vista, go for it!
That's why every ad states that "buyer will investigate applications to his 
own satisfaction before bidding"
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 10:14:12 -0500
From: "Clark, Pat" <PClark@Ignition.com>
Subject: Front end rebuild

Gents,

Just received my "super" front end rebuild kit from PST. Am looking to get
started on the 69 442 this weekend. Having never done this before, anything
in particular I should look out for? Any tips?

Thanks Ahead,

Pat Clark
IGNITION INC.
P 972-516-8700
F 972-516-8690

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:25:08 -0400
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: 1967 442's: ALL based on the CSup, or not?

   I used to think that all 2 barrels had back up lights in the tail light
assy. and that all
4 barrels  had the back up lights next to the plates?!?!?
john
67 cutlass supreme.... 4 barrel 4 speed oh and it has dual ex too  :-)

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:43:38 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: Front end rebuild

Common sense and be very cautious with the springs. Never had a problem but
always had a lot of respect especially for the fronts.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Clark, Pat
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:14 AM
To: OLDS LIST (E-mail)
Subject: Front end rebuild


Gents,

Just received my "super" front end rebuild kit from PST. Am looking to get
started on the 69 442 this weekend. Having never done this before, anything
in particular I should look out for? Any tips?

Thanks Ahead,

Pat Clark
IGNITION INC.
P 972-516-8700
F 972-516-8690

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 11:51:37 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 1967 442's: ALL based on the CSup, or not?

I doubt that they would make a different bumper depending on carburetor, if
that's what you're saying.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of JOHN ORR
Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:25 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: 1967 442's: ALL based on the CSup, or not?

   I used to think that all 2 barrels had back up lights in the tail light
assy. and that all
4 barrels  had the back up lights next to the plates?!?!?
john
67 cutlass supreme.... 4 barrel 4 speed oh and it has dual ex too  :-)

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:15:41 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
Subject: Re: 1967 442's: ALL based on the CSup, or not?

At 10:55 AM 4/13/2004, you wrote:
>You're not doing well with this 67 Cutlass info here.
>ALL 67 442's were built from Cutlass Supremes.
>==============
>Please cite your references
>My experience and sources tell me that the 442 option was available on all 
>the A-bodies from the F85 to the Supreme, with differing costs for each 
>model that was to be upgraded.
>   Corrections ALWAYS appreciated, but "facts" must be backed up with some 
> references.  If you are, say, the National Senior OCA Judge, I will 
> re-assess my information.
[snip]
>I fwd'd this to the experts on the email list to hash thru as well.
>
>What say ye, listmemebers? Surely ONE of you has or has seen the elusive 
>1967 442 which was NOT based on the Cutlass Supreme, and is not home-made?
>
>Or, If I am incorrect, by all means set me straight [and cite your sources].
>-----------------------
>Chris Witt
>1303 W. Miller Rd.
>Lansing MI 48911

Chris,

It's hard to tell what you're saying and what the other guy is saying in 
the above exchange.

I had always heard that for 1967 (and 1967 alone) the 442 option was only 
available on the Supreme model, not on the lower-line models. I thought 
this was on the order forms.

Of course, even if this was factory policy, it's not to say that NO 442's 
were built on other models that year, or that the policy of limiting the 
442 option to the CS model held firm throughout the entire model year.


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 09:08:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: J Pajak <ransomeliolds@yahoo.com>
Subject: Holley Power Valves

Has anybody had success with any of the "power valve
protection" kits out there?

I'd like to try running some Holleys on the street
again, if I could get the power valves to last!

=====
John Pajak

http://jspajak.tripod.com


	
		
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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 12:19:54 -0400
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: 1967 442's: ALL based on the CSup, or not?

Hey List,

        In 67' the 442 package was only available
on a Cutlass Supreme - Even the post coupe had the
Supreme body molding and inboard mounted B/U lights.
For the most part, the two barrel/outside backup lights
is true. If you have a turnpike cruiser, that would be the
exception. Could you get a 4 barrel in a Plain Jane Cutlass ???
I think it was only available in the Supreme ...........  will have to
check my dealer book .........

The General         patton442@verizon.net

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:24:22 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Holley Power Valves

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Yes. I think the kit was about $10. It's best to use a drill press and mark 
the spot exactly.It's a spring-loaded ball bearing the presses against the 
power valve. So far, I haven't had any trouble since the install.

Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92 Eldo

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 14:37:17 -0400
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Front end rebuild

Pat,

I've got some experience with the "taking apart section" on a 1969 Cutlass S
Convertible (I'm assuming a complete teardown to replace all of the
bushings):

- - My biggest problem area was spring removal.  Bought 2 different kind of
spring compressors A) 2 pieces, fits on outside of spring and B) 1 piece
goes on inside of coil and has "legs" that grab coil.  "B" worked better
(couldn't fit a onto spring and still have access to the bolts that compress
using "A" - I think this is more for McPherson strut applications) but not
great.

After removal of the shock, I could insert the compressor inside of the
coil, but the shock opening in the bottom was a little too small to fit the
bottom compressor legs in (the 'compression' bolt causes the bottom legs to
bow out a little more than the top).

Once it was in, the other problem came up.  The spindle holds the spring
compressed and the spring compressor compresses it even more.  When you
remove the spring with compressor installed and try to release the
compressor, there is more travel in the spring than the compressor can
compensate for.  In the fully "released" position of the compressor, there
was still 4 or 5 inches of travel in the spring.  I ended up hitting the
legs of the compressor with a hammer knocking them off the spring and hoping
the spring would not fly into something breakable (namely me!).  Now, before
the flames start - I do NOT recommend this method, I am only reliving this
for the purpose of education.

- - Second item - Do not damage the bolts that go through the upper control
arm cross bar where it attaches to the frame.  They are pressed into the
frame.  After removing the nuts, I mistakenly hammered out the bolts and
wrecked the threads (thinking I would just buy new bolts anyway).  What I
discovered was that the bolts are EXTREMELY difficult to find (thanks to
John Nasta - finally!).

- - Separation of the ball joints was simple with a pneumatic hammer and a
pickle fork attachment.

Other than that, it was a simple process.  I would suggest a nice
sandblasting of the upper/lower arms while they are off and also welding
some reinforcement in the ball joint area (based on the horror stories on
the list lately).

HTH,

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI
69 Cutlass S Convertible (H/O Reproduction)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Clark, Pat [mailto:PClark@Ignition.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 13, 2004 11:14 AM
> To: OLDS LIST (E-mail)
> Subject: Front end rebuild
> 
> 
> Gents,
> 
> Just received my "super" front end rebuild kit from PST. Am 
> looking to get
> started on the 69 442 this weekend. Having never done this 
> before, anything
> in particular I should look out for? Any tips?
> 
> Thanks Ahead,
> 
> Pat Clark
> IGNITION INC.
> P 972-516-8700
> F 972-516-8690
> 

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Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:28:25 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: RE: 1967 442's: ALL based on the CSup, or not?

> I doubt that they would make a different bumper depending on carburetor, if
> that's what you're saying.

What he's saying is that all F-85 and regular Cutlass models had two upper tail
lights with 2 back-up lights in the lower position (and no back-up lights on
either side of the license plate).  It may also be true that, given their
status in the model line-up, they were only equipped with 2bbl carbs - though
4bbls may have been an option.

Cutlass Supremes and 442s, on the other hand, were trimmed with 4 tail lights
(upper and lower) with the back-up lights on either side of the license plate.
These models were also equipped with standard 4bbls (unless equipped with the
optional Turnpike Cruiser package).

Paul

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