
oldsmobile-digest       Friday, March 26 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4832



Milton vs CSM
Mike's Quadra-bog solved?
Re: Has anyone seen this
FAKE  64   442  on that evil site
Re: FAKE  64   442  on that evil site
shift handle
re: Radiator interchangibility question
Re: Choke conversion
Re: Choke conversion
Chip Miller - corrected URL
Re: Choke conversion
Re: shift handle
Re: Choke conversion
Yikes Evil site 
RE: Mike's Quadra-bog solved?
Taiwan Grommets not so good
Re: Yikes Evil site
Re: Taiwan Grommets not so good
Re: FAKE 64 442 on that evil site
Wal-Mart clearancing out older GE bulbs
Re: FAKE 64 442 on that evil site
Re: Yikes Evil site
Re: Parts cleaner v1.5
Re: SS1 Tire Size
Re: FAKE 64 442 on that evil site
Re: Has anyone seen this
Re: Choke conversion
Re: FAKE 64 442 on that evil site
Re: Choke conversion
Olds Carb and ECU
86 CS on MTV
Best distributor for my '65 400?
1969 option codes
Rallye Pack Tachometer Calibration?
Unusual 3-Speed In CSM
RE: Best distributor for my '65 400?
Re: Unusual 3-Speed In CSM
Re: Best distributor for my '65 400?

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:56:42 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Milton vs CSM

I  have not yet seen Milton to be wrong yet!    Remember  it is Milton and
the service manual, always in that order!!!
==========
well, there was that ONE TIME that he asserted that the cam is somehow 
thrust forward during operation.  That's just not true. Not even on a Chevy. 
But, given his VAST wealth of experience and *correct* information, this 
small transgression can be.... overlooked.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 23:53:52 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Mike's Quadra-bog solved?

I did not put anything in place other than the gaskets.  How long will it 
take
to burn through?
================
Not too long
I used 0.005" stainless shim stock on this latest 350, cut to a bit larger 
than the opening in the head, and secured with gasket goo while installing 
intake.

I have determined that the choke pull off was bad, along with the other 5 
choke
pull offs that were on the other 5 quadrejets I have.  I will be replacing 
it
today when I off of work.  I need to do that whether the crossover is 
blocked or
not.  Mike Schlottman
==========
Hmmmm....
Where did I hear that before?
WHO IS IT !?!?!?
*pats self on back* [since no one else will... ]
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:17:11 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this

Okay, I stand defeated in my disbelief.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <62oldsfan@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this


>
> > There's still no absolute proof to the claim the photo came from GM
Olds.
>
> Well, can anyone make out the Michigan Plate on the front?  I suspect it
is a
> '65 plate.  Definitely Michigan - Says Water-Winter Wonderland on the
bottom.
> Has to be '65 or '67 - '66s were light colored.  '68 they changed the
slogan to
> Great Lakes State.  Prior to '65 the slogan was Water Wonderland.
>
> Can't imagine anyone would have a new, wrecked Toronado in '67 and then
slap a
> old Dynamic 88 body on it...
>
> Paul

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:42:03 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: FAKE  64   442  on that evil site

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Hey all 

send this guy  a little pressure     claiming   very  very  few  64  442's  
came with automatic tranny

0  is   very rare

Also    ALL  the emblems are in the wrong place


Vinny

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utomatic tranny</DIV>
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 01:49:42 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: FAKE  64   442  on that evil site

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Wow  there is soooo much wrong with this car


single snorkle air cleaner
no rear sway bar
emblems too high on fenders
emblem should sit on top-side of deck lid
looks like someone painted the dash center to look like a 65   but forgot to 
do the radio  and around all the knobs.

What a hack

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<DIV>looks like someone painted the dash center to look like a 65&nbsp;&nbsp=
; but forgot to do the radio&nbsp; and around all the knobs.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 22:57:26 -1000
From: "Christopher Brown" <Olds-Supreme72@hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: shift handle

Does anyone happen to have a 72 or compatible shifter handle for a Cutlass
Supreme with auto and console?  Mine seems to have broken in half.

Thanks
Chris Brown

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 05:08:40 EST
From: Kt8321@aol.com
Subject: re: Radiator interchangibility question

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Pat, according to the Hollander interchange manual, the 2 5/8" radiator from 
66-70 big Olds will interchange with 2 5/8" radiator in 68-70 Cutlass. 2 5/8" 
is listed as HD cooling with A/C. HTH.
Ken Thomas
69 and 71 Deltas

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th 2 5/8" radiator in 68-70 Cutlass. 2 5/8" is listed as HD cooling with A/C=
. HTH.<BR>
Ken Thomas<BR>
69 and 71 Deltas</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:00:51 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Choke conversion

> When you say a switched terminal, does that mean one that can be turned on
> or off? Or does the electric choke need to have power to it at all times?
> (while the car is running of course)

The clever way to wire it is through another set of terminals in the oil
pressure switch. That way the choke only turns on after the motor starts.
231 V6 Olds (Buick) engines are like that.

drc

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:21:24 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Meijers?= <Andre_Meijers@wxs.nl>
Subject: Re: Choke conversion

The thing is, that the choke needs to be controlled electrically via a
'temperature switch'. Like with the conventional system where the choke is
controlled with hot air. Air is sucked through the choke control via the
hot-air pipe. As engine temperature increases, the temperature of the air
flowing through the choke control increases, which in turn makes the choke
valve opening up.

Something similar needs to happen with an electrical choke.

André

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: Choke conversion


> > When you say a switched terminal, does that mean one that can be turned
on
> > or off? Or does the electric choke need to have power to it at all
times?
> > (while the car is running of course)
>
> The clever way to wire it is through another set of terminals in the oil
> pressure switch. That way the choke only turns on after the motor starts.
> 231 V6 Olds (Buick) engines are like that.
>
> drc
>

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:44:52 +0000
From: brad442@comcast.net
Subject: Chip Miller - corrected URL

http://www.carsatcarlisle.com/mediasite/content.asp?ArticleID=366
God's Speed Chip.
- --
- ---
| | |  Brad Nicholson
| | |  1987 442 & 2001 Intrigue GLS
|/|\|  brad442@comcast.net
| | |  mywebpages.comcast.net/brad442
 ---

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:44:06 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Choke conversion

the electrical choke is wired  to a 12 volt keyed source and is energized the entire time the key is
on.  also make sure that you're heater hose is routed  so it is resting tightly against the choke
cover , its for colder climates so choke don't close as fast .  if engine is still warm  and car is
sitting say 15 min  prevents flooding by slowing down choke closing time.
Ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "André Meijers" <Andre_Meijers@wxs.nl>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: Choke conversion


> The thing is, that the choke needs to be controlled electrically via a
> 'temperature switch'. Like with the conventional system where the choke is
> controlled with hot air. Air is sucked through the choke control via the
> hot-air pipe. As engine temperature increases, the temperature of the air
> flowing through the choke control increases, which in turn makes the choke
> valve opening up.
>
> Something similar needs to happen with an electrical choke.
>
> André
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 1:00 PM
> Subject: Re: Choke conversion
>
>
> > > When you say a switched terminal, does that mean one that can be turned
> on
> > > or off? Or does the electric choke need to have power to it at all
> times?
> > > (while the car is running of course)
> >
> > The clever way to wire it is through another set of terminals in the oil
> > pressure switch. That way the choke only turns on after the motor starts.
> > 231 V6 Olds (Buick) engines are like that.
> >
> > drc
> >
>
>

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:51:31 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: shift handle

I have one out of my 72 convertable, since i'm swapping it to a dual gate one day if I could find
the correct mounting brackets
Ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Brown" <Olds-Supreme72@hawaii.rr.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 3:57 AM
Subject: shift handle


> Does anyone happen to have a 72 or compatible shifter handle for a Cutlass
> Supreme with auto and console?  Mine seems to have broken in half.
>
> Thanks
> Chris Brown
>
>

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:31:04 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Choke conversion

At Friday, 26 March 2004, you wrote:

>>When you say a switched terminal, does that mean one 
>>that can be turned on or off? Or does the electric 
>>choke need to have power to it at all times? (while 
>>the car is running of course)
>
>The clever way to wire it is through another set of terminals 
>in the oil pressure switch. That way the choke only turns on 
>after the motor starts. 231 V6 Olds (Buick) engines are like 
>that.

I believe ANY '80s GM with ECM will have the electric choke wired 
like that, not just the 231B; '83-'84 229 and 305 Ch*bby V6/V8s, 
for example.

SteveH



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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:52:59 -0500
From: "Joe" <w30442@zoominternet.net>
Subject: Yikes Evil site 

Really nice car but $55k?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2468933409&category=15287


Joe

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:20:43 -0600
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: RE: Mike's Quadra-bog solved?

Go ahead and pat yourself on the back, but I'm not claiming victory until, I get the new CPO on.  I had some galvanized flashing that I thought about cutting and installing over the crossover ports, but I talked myself out of it.   Maybe next time.  I really expected the gaskets to come with a couple of metal block of plates.

     mike

Mike Schlottman
Sr. Systems Administrator
Society of Petroleum Engineers
222 Palisades Creek Drive 
Richardson, TX 75083
972-952-9382


 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Christopher Witt [mailto:rocketscience442@hotmail.com]
 > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:54 PM
 > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 > Subject: Mike's Quadra-bog solved?
 > 
 > 
 > I did not put anything in place other than the gaskets.  How 
 > long will it 
 > take
 > to burn through?
 > ================
 > Not too long
 > I used 0.005" stainless shim stock on this latest 350, cut 
 > to a bit larger 
 > than the opening in the head, and secured with gasket goo 
 > while installing 
 > intake.
 > 
 > I have determined that the choke pull off was bad, along 
 > with the other 5 
 > choke
 > pull offs that were on the other 5 quadrejets I have.  I 
 > will be replacing 
 > it
 > today when I off of work.  I need to do that whether the 
 > crossover is 
 > blocked or
 > not.  Mike Schlottman
 > ==========
 > Hmmmm....
 > Where did I hear that before?
 > WHO IS IT !?!?!?
 > *pats self on back* [since no one else will... ]
 > -----------------------
 > Chris Witt
 > 1303 W. Miller Rd.
 > Lansing MI 48911
 > 
 > RocketScience442@hotmail.com
 > 
 > Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
 > Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
 > 
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 09:39:16 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Taiwan Grommets not so good

HELP parts at the auto parts store-

D-grommet, goes in rocker cover, 63/64" round hole accepts crankcase 
breather. Very common part. Usually hardened beyond use, need a new one. 
Bought one at local store, looks great, though does not bear proper marks of 
course, and rubber seems a bit stiffer than usual. Nice new gold painted 
engine... lube and install the grommet... hole is no longer round. WTH? They 
gave the recess insufficient room- the valve cover hole lip hits the grommet 
and forces it WAY out of round. Ditched the pc of crap and put in a nice 
rubbery real GM part, which fit exactly like it should. And felt right too. 
And LOOKS right. Thankfully, I had a new GM PCV grommet on hand.

These aftermarket makes just never really bother to actually try to USE the 
crap they make, do they?

Would have just bought the lot of grommets from gmpartsdirect.com but my God 
do they REAM you on the shipping. Grommet- $2, shipping $7. Get one of each 
of the 4 grommets, is the shipping $7, no, it's $7 PER GROMMET. Crikey. Now, 
if you buy 10 of each type of grommet, then it's almost acceptable. Oh, they 
still ream you $7 for each TYPE of grommet, but the cost is spread over 10 
units that way. Rectal-cranial inversion syndrome there, I guess.

Anybody need a set of grommets, or a couple sets? If we can get a bunch of 
orders together... Get them all for maybe $20 per engine? That's 1) PCV, B) 
other RAC [large-hole unit], 3) elbow at air cleaner, and D) 90* elbow at 
breather.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:01:19 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Yikes Evil site

At 08:52 AM 3/26/2004, you wrote:
>Really nice car but $55k?
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2468933409&category=15287

Nice, but all that work and they use incorrect SSIII wheels?

That might be a "Buy it Now" price for a convertible or a 4spd, but that's 
top of the range for an auto coupe. Maybe worth it in that condition, though.


_______________________________________
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http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:02:33 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Taiwan Grommets not so good

>
> These aftermarket makes just never really bother to actually try to USE the
> crap they make, do they?
>

I don't recall ever seeing anything manufactured in Taiwan that I would actually consider quality made.

But hey...how's those stock prices? He-He!

Sorry....I see humour in an economy controlled by the "short term profit greedy" shareholder who spends as much time
complaining about quality as he does worrying about how much he's going to gain this quarter. Just a
generalized observation here. Not meant at you directly Chris.

Kevin

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:13:45 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FAKE 64 442 on that evil site

>Wow  there is soooo much wrong with this car

Okay, okay, but aren't you at least going to give us an item number to 
search for? In a quick search right now I haven't turned up anything 
resembling what you're talking about.

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:28:49 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Wal-Mart clearancing out older GE bulbs

On the theory that Wal-Mart never makes any stocking or discontinuing 
decisions below the corporate level, I thought I should mention here that 
our local store (and perhaps yours as well) is abruptly clearancing out a 
large quantity of slower-selling GE bulbs, including a lot of numbers used 
on older cars, such as 1141, 90 and 1893. Our Wal-Mart was selling them off 
at 25¢/pair, down from the usual $1.96 to $2.96 or more.

I also snagged a nice little Equus mini-trio mechanical gauge cluster 
(including 60-amp ammeter :-) for $7.00, down from $20, nwo going into 
storage in our basement for eventual future use somewhere. I had a set 
in-dash in our old K-wagon and it worked very well.

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:25:08 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: FAKE 64 442 on that evil site

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In a message dated 3/26/2004 10:18:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
acg_o@hotmail.com writes:
but aren't you at least going to give us an item number to 
search for? In a quick search right now I haven't turned up anything 
resembling what you're talking about
Hey Andy

sorry,    I emaled him  and he took the auction down.

eBay item 2469860543 (Ends Mar-26-04 02:28:59 PST) - Oldsmobile : 442

sorry again  

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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>sorry,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I emaled him&nbsp; and he took the auction dow=
n.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><A href=3D"http://cgi.aol.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem=
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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 07:53:53 -0800 (PST)
From: J Pajak <ransomeliolds@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Yikes Evil site

- --- Joe <w30442@zoominternet.net> wrote:
> Really nice car but $55k?
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2468933409&category=15287

***************

For 55k you'd expect the wheels to be the right
color... (gray)

=====
John Pajak

http://jspajak.tripod.com

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 08:57:03 -0800
From: Greg Tjosvold <tjosvold@polar7.com>
Subject: Re: Parts cleaner v1.5

Chris,

I missed the first installment. What sort of unit are you using?

'Best,

Greg

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:05:41 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: SS1 Tire Size

> Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 22:11:26 -0800
> From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Re: SS1 Tire Size
> 
> I have dunlop gt qualifiers, a bit lower profile, I think 65 
> which really helps cornering and gives a better ratio too with 
> my stock 2.78 on the 442. 
> Very happy with these. I think they stick better than the 
> BFG. I have the BFG on the cutlass...
> 
> George
> 71 442 SSI
> 71 C/S SSII

I'm running 245-60-14 BFG Radial TAs on all 4 corners of my car. 
They have the width for traction, a fairly short sidewall to assist 
handling, and, as George pointed out, the fairly short overall height 
of 25.6 inches helps with acceleration. Makes the 3.23s that much more fun! 

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 17:07:31 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: FAKE 64 442 on that evil site

>sorry,    I emaled him  and he took the auction down.
>
>eBay item 2469860543 (Ends Mar-26-04 02:28:59 PST) - Oldsmobile : 442

*chuckle*

Yes, it says there was "an error in the listing"...

Maybe it was that line about "The following 20 photos" when in fact he only 
had 19 there... yeah, that's the ticket...

Jeez, you'd think he'd at least have stuck the 442 nameplates on _straight_, 
even if he couldn't be bothered to research where they were supposed to go 
(or not go).

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:12:48 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this

> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 12:51:40 EST
> From: KS7RACING@aol.com
> Subject: Re: Has anyone seen this

snip
 
> 3) I agree on the "road" as it doesn't have a center stripe 
> (and doesn't look quite wide enough for two lanes anyway) so 
> this could have been at a GM test facility. 

snip 

> Take Care,
> SrA Ken Snyder
> Kansas City, Kansas

We have a lot of roads like that out here in Arizona...

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 10:39:53 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Choke conversion

> The thing is, that the choke needs to be controlled electrically via a
> 'temperature switch'.
> Something similar needs to happen with an electrical choke.


The "temperature switch" in an electric choke for non-computer engines is
the bimetallic resistance coil that heats up due to the flow of electric
current and moves the choke butterfly valve to the open position over a set
time rate, independent of engine temperature on a non-computer controlled
vehicle that doesn't use an engine coolant temperature sensor in the
feedback loop. The choke opening rate for best engine performance matched to
ambient weather conditions for the time of year is adjusted by changing the
initial spring pressure on the wound up choke electric coil. It works
beautifully.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 12:59:08 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: FAKE 64 442 on that evil site

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Hey Andy,


here is his email that he sent me......................

Auction has been take down, we were listing for a friend and did not know it 
was incorrect.
Thank you

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:15:23 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Choke conversion

Yeah - what Milton said ....

The General
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 12:39 PM
Subject: Re: Choke conversion


> > The thing is, that the choke needs to be controlled electrically via a
> > 'temperature switch'.
> > Something similar needs to happen with an electrical choke.
>
>
> The "temperature switch" in an electric choke for non-computer engines is
> the bimetallic resistance coil that heats up due to the flow of electric
> current and moves the choke butterfly valve to the open position over a
set
> time rate, independent of engine temperature on a non-computer controlled
> vehicle that doesn't use an engine coolant temperature sensor in the
> feedback loop. The choke opening rate for best engine performance matched
to
> ambient weather conditions for the time of year is adjusted by changing
the
> initial spring pressure on the wound up choke electric coil. It works
> beautifully.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:14:53 -0500
From: "Christian Sager" <chris.sager@cox.net>
Subject: Olds Carb and ECU

I have a Quadrajet, ECU, and Intake for sale on ebay now guys.  Please
feel free to bid or make me an offer!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33550&
item=2468516646

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33596&
item=2468517153

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=36474&
item=2468510783

Christian

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:27:24 -0500
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: 86 CS on MTV

Anyone see the MTV show "Pimp My Ride" last night (3/25)?  They took a
busted-a@@ 86 Cutlass Supreme and turned it into a "ghetto rich" hood ride
(so the show proclaims).  As I'm sure not many listers fall within MTV's
demographic, I taped it for all to enjoy.  Won't be able to post it until
Monday, but I'll send an email with the link.  In the very least bit, it's
worth a few good chuckles.  Not everyone needs 18" Giovannis and 15" LCDs
hooked up to a karaoke machine in their trunk but if it's free, I'd take it.
Read: they put $20,000 worth of paint and crap in the car but didn't touch
the drive train.  Kinda funny when you think of it.

 ~ Dan

PS - Furthermore, did anyone see the bumper (you know, the "we'll be right
back" clip) on MTV showing a candy-green and woodgrain 71 or 72 Vista
Cruiser?  I think they need to give it to me. :)

- -------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
- -------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 11:52:04 -0800
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: Best distributor for my '65 400?

Found out today that my distributor is bad. Long story. I've been thinking
of upgrading anyway and wanted suggestions.

I'm leaning towards one of the HEI upgrades because it's a clean install. I
could go MSD but I didn't want to hook up an external box and mess up the
engine compartment, but I would if it's really the best option. I prefer not
to do Pertronix since I want to replace the whole assembly.

What are the advantages of MSD over HEI? Who makes the best HEI conversion?

This is for a '65 400. Mild cam, roller rockers, new alumninum intake. I'm
looking for reliability over maximum performance.

Thanks!

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:51:36 -0500
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: 1969 option codes

Hi all,

 A gentlemen recently contacted me with some questions regarding option
codes "PL5" and "Y64" for 1969 Olds A bodies.  He needs to know what these
codes are and why it's so difficult to locate any info on them.  If my
memory serves me correctly, PL5 was for wide oval raised letter tires (no?)
but I don't know what "Y64" is.  Anyone know what the deal w/ these options
is and is/why they're so special?

Thanks!

 ~ Dan

- -------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
- -------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:17:11 -0600
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Rallye Pack Tachometer Calibration?

All,
	Who repairs and calibrates the rallye pack gauge sets?  I've got to
get the clock working in mine, and should have the tachometer calibrated,
and the speedometer as well.

Thanks!


Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode)
'68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine)
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com 

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:44:06 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Unusual 3-Speed In CSM

Listmembers,

While looking at my 1968 CSM (trying to check for a possible correlation from 
1968 to 1969 options) I cam across an unusual manual transmission: Heavy Duty 
3-Speed, available in:

1) All the "A" Bodies except Vista Cruisers. Optional Heavy-Duty with Floor 
Shifter for F-85, Cutlass and Cutlass Supreme (M-14), Standard for 442.
2) 54 (Delmont 88), 64 (Delta 88), and 66 (Delta 88 Custom) Series, Standard 
with Column Shift.

In the manual it looks to have a 9-bolt cover on the top of the transmission 
and no "cover" like the Muncies and Saginaws have on the side.  The shift 
levers (mostly on the covers of the other transmissions) come through the case on 
the side but without a cover to remove.  They devote all of seven pages to it, 
and it appears to have a standard bolt pattern to the bellhousing.

They go on to say that they can be ID'd by 2-inch high letters on the 
right-hand side of the extension housing: DA for the big cars, DB for the rest.

By 1970, this same particular transmission is only available in the big cars 
(extension housing code DA) and the "M-14" 3-Speed for the A-Bodies looks more 
like a Saginaw or Muncie.

Could this be our illustrious "Brand F" manual transmission?

Take Care,
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:03:42 -0600
From: "Marty Henson" <marty-henson@clayton-engineering.com>
Subject: RE: Best distributor for my '65 400?

Albert,
I installed the Pertronix unit on a 70 Cutlass Supreme with 350 engine
and was disappointed with its performance.  Previous GM HEI swaps on SBC
yielded much better results for me.
Marty, St. Louis

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Albert Penello
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 1:52 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Best distributor for my '65 400?


Found out today that my distributor is bad. Long story. I've been
thinking
of upgrading anyway and wanted suggestions.

I'm leaning towards one of the HEI upgrades because it's a clean
install. I
could go MSD but I didn't want to hook up an external box and mess up
the
engine compartment, but I would if it's really the best option. I prefer
not
to do Pertronix since I want to replace the whole assembly.

What are the advantages of MSD over HEI? Who makes the best HEI
conversion?

This is for a '65 400. Mild cam, roller rockers, new alumninum intake.
I'm
looking for reliability over maximum performance.

Thanks!

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:26:41 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Unusual 3-Speed In CSM

That sure sounds like a Ford top cover 3-speed. Is there any way you could
scan that and send it to people as a jpg?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <KS7RACING@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 1:44 PM
Subject: Unusual 3-Speed In CSM


> Listmembers,
>
> While looking at my 1968 CSM (trying to check for a possible correlation
from
> 1968 to 1969 options) I cam across an unusual manual transmission: Heavy
Duty
> 3-Speed, available in:
>
> 1) All the "A" Bodies except Vista Cruisers. Optional Heavy-Duty with
Floor
> Shifter for F-85, Cutlass and Cutlass Supreme (M-14), Standard for 442.
> 2) 54 (Delmont 88), 64 (Delta 88), and 66 (Delta 88 Custom) Series,
Standard
> with Column Shift.
>
> In the manual it looks to have a 9-bolt cover on the top of the
transmission
> and no "cover" like the Muncies and Saginaws have on the side.  The shift
> levers (mostly on the covers of the other transmissions) come through the
case on
> the side but without a cover to remove.  They devote all of seven pages to
it,
> and it appears to have a standard bolt pattern to the bellhousing.
>
> They go on to say that they can be ID'd by 2-inch high letters on the
> right-hand side of the extension housing: DA for the big cars, DB for the
rest.
>
> By 1970, this same particular transmission is only available in the big
cars
> (extension housing code DA) and the "M-14" 3-Speed for the A-Bodies looks
more
> like a Saginaw or Muncie.
>
> Could this be our illustrious "Brand F" manual transmission?
>
> Take Care,
> SrA Ken Snyder
> Kansas City, Kansas
>

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Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 14:30:15 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Best distributor for my '65 400?

Personally, I'm partial to a complete MSD setup, billet distributor, 6A for
street or 7A for extreme duty ignition module, and MSD Blaster coil. Go with
Taylor for plug wires.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 12:52 PM
Subject: Best distributor for my '65 400?


>
> Found out today that my distributor is bad. Long story. I've been thinking
> of upgrading anyway and wanted suggestions.
>
> I'm leaning towards one of the HEI upgrades because it's a clean install.
I
> could go MSD but I didn't want to hook up an external box and mess up the
> engine compartment, but I would if it's really the best option. I prefer
not
> to do Pertronix since I want to replace the whole assembly.
>
> What are the advantages of MSD over HEI? Who makes the best HEI
conversion?
>
> This is for a '65 400. Mild cam, roller rockers, new alumninum intake. I'm
> looking for reliability over maximum performance.
>
> Thanks!
>
>

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