
oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, April 1 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4839



Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes
RE: Has anybody seen this?
Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes
Price of parts... Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
"Performance" Tires (Was Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes)
Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes
Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
RE: Mike's Quadra-bog solved?
Re: 67 Olds 442  SS1's
Re: 1964  Olds  cutlass parts
Re: Rollin' in my Cutty
Re: 1964  Olds  cutlass parts
Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
OOPS!
Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
Re: O2 sensors with carbureted engines
Re: More Dyno Stuff
Re: Has anybody seen this?
330 1967 rebuilt or core f/s
Re: Has anybody seen this?
All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!
Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes
Calcs of all kinds/Joe
More Tires,, press./Bracket racin
Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!
Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes
Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes
Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes
Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:44:32 -0500
From: robert.demuth@prudential.com
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes

I was thinking the same thing .... putting 17's on the '72 88, with a 50
series tire.  That's what my '96 Impala SS has ... 17x8.5 rims with
255/50/17 tires.  To me, that combo looks _right_ (read: not obscenely
oversized) on a B car, and it's a far cry from the Slim Shady wannabe I saw
with his bling bling 22's and mirrored stick-on letters ... LOL!  Plus,
if/when I do that, there won't be patches of rust popping out all over the
car.

Bob.

>>>
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:33:47 -0500
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes

Actually am going to put some 16 or 17 inch spokes on my 1970 Ols 98
once I put this engine in here :-) Im trying to keep a good ride though
so Im definately not gonna have like 55 or 60 series tires on er. I
might even waste some money on some Vogues...

paulbunyan
<<<

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:48:40 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Has anybody seen this?

The turnpike cruiser option was tested in 1967 on a small handful of Cutlass
Supreme coupes. The taller gearing was applied was standard in all
Oldsmobiles in 1968. The idea was to reduce RPMs at highway speed, and
therefore decrease noise and increase fuel economy. See the October 1967 Car
Life for a great article on this. I happen to have it in front of me at the
moment...

John Nasta
Old Car Network
http://oldcarnetwork.com


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of OLDSmobility
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:16 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Has anybody seen this?

swanny wrote:
> The first pic is from elsewhere
> http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/01/93/31/a5_1_s.JPG
>
> This is the second pic.
> http://www.oldsmobility.com/images/cccrear.jpg
>  Is this a canadian option?
> Pat Swanton
>
>
>
You can do some more reading about the Climatic Combustion Control here:

http://www.oldsmobility.com/carlife_apr67.htm

Keith
OLDSmobility.com

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:09:03 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes

At 04:33 PM 3/31/2004, you wrote:
>Pat,
>
>Click on http://www.racegoodyear.com/products/ultrahigh.html .
>That will give you a good idea what's being used on Formula One race cars.

Those are actually street-tires; here's a shot of what kind of sidewall the 
racecars have:

http://www.f1-pics.com/hungary02/hungary2002_004.jpg


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:10:08 -0500
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Price of parts... Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

At 10:05 PM 03/31/2004 +0000, Andrew wrote:
<snip>
>>But they did replace the alternator at a cost of $500 :0.
>
>Well, now, that's just silly. We on the Bonneville list are used to swapping 
>out alternators every couple years or so, but (1) the cost is in the area of 
>$100, not $500, for the part, and (2) installation is all of about 10 
>minutes. Are you talking metric dollars, perhaps? Was this a _claimed_ 
>expense that was actually covered under warranty?

<snip>
>I sympathize, but trust me when I say that you won't be getting any price 
>breaks on complex BMW or Acura parts; that's for sure.

For example . . . ignition wires for a BMW . . I can't remember which
model, but it was a late-90s, and either a 4 or 6 cylinder....

Ignition wires . . .

Freakin' ignition wires.....

$349.00

That's not in metric dollars, either!!

I've run into a number of German and Japanese 4 and 6 cylinder models that
have ignition wires in the $90-$120 range.

And our parts store is known to be CHEAP.....  we've just been bought out
by Autozone.  Which essentially means that the Bendix rotors and drums that
we used to sell for $16 to $24 will now become $55 to $80.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:19:03 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: "Performance" Tires (Was Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes)

Listmembers,

As Milton eloquently put it, road racing and NASCAR tires utilize narrower 
sidewalls to help with track adhesion.  This year, NASCAR asked Goodyear to 
soften the rubber compound in their tires and did other changes to the 
aerodynamics in order to "improve" the racing.  So far, most of the racers have been 
accepting of the changes.

In road racing you'll see plenty of narrow sidewall tires, this is almost 
always accompanied by very soft rubber compounds so that the lack of flex in the 
sidewall is complimented by added "stickiness" that the cars use to keep grip 
in the abrupt turning found in road racing.

Another place you'll find really narrow sidewalls in autocrossing.  The 
miniature road courses made in parking lots require super-stiff sidewalls and very 
soft rubber compounds since the course is usually somewhere near 45 seconds 
and you don't have the time to "warm up" a tire that uses a harder compound.

Another aspect of tires (mostly radial tires) is that they actually have a 
"spring rate" that varies depending on the air pressure in them.  Ever hear a 
NASCAR driver or crew chief say they were "taking a half-pound out of the XX 
tire"?  These tires actually also act as part of the spring package on a given 
corner.  Changing the pressure changes the "spring rate" some, not as much as 
changing the spring itself but it is a change they can notice.

This crap we see on the street is just that -- crap.  30-and 35-series tires 
with compounds hard enough to last more than 20 miles on the street are 
absolutely worthless, and anyone selling this garbage as "racing" or "performance" 
tires are the same idiots selling neon kits and stripes as "racing" accessories.

One of these days I'm going to have my 70 C/S SX rebuilt with an emphasis on 
handling coupled with the 455 for get-up-and-go, and I can't wait to show 
these wannabes what performance is REALLY about!

OK, I feel better now:-)

Someone mentioned Vogue Tyres (that's how it's really spelled), I remember a 
Vogue display in the Olds dealer showroom my mother worked at -- in 1973.  
Seems fads always cycle through every so often, only took this one 30 or so years.

Take Care,
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:34:34 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

Andrew C. Green wrote:
> 
> Is this something more than piston slap? 

They said it was "Probably a loose piston, it would take about 20 hours 
of labour to tear the engine down to be sure."  I assumed that he meant 
20 hours to tear it down and put it back together.

> ... and does indeed go away after the engine warms up.

Last year it was only when the engine was cold.  Now I can hear it at 
all times if the engine is working (accelerating.)  The engine eats a 
quart of oil every 2.5K miles.

> ... Are you talking metric dollars, perhaps?

No with labor it was $800 metric dollars. :(((

> Was this a _claimed_ expense that was actually covered under warranty?

No warranty.  Because we bought the car slightly used from a GM lot 
instead of new we did not get the extension on the warranty that I 
believe new owners received when GM killed Olds.

> I sympathize, but trust me when I say that you won't be getting any 
> price breaks on complex BMW or Acura parts; that's for sure.

True but I won't feel bad pawning off the dying Olds to a furrin car 
dealership :0  Beside I know people who have furrin cars that and they 
don't go "rattle rattle rattle" down the road at 70K.  I can live with 
having to replace ABS stuff, alternators, and cruise control before 100K 
miles but when the dealer tells you the pistons are wearing out I find 
that unacceptable.

Hell this car makes our Saturn look like a Mercedes as far as quality goes.
- --

Cliff "Sometimes you have to ask, What if it is just me?" Simpson
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:54:28 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes

Robert,
I disillusioned myself with the fact that "race cars" use a different style
tire and size for "racing" purposes. This car depicted is a "Bling Bling"
mode of transportation. What works for some people may not work for others.
If you think about it, this size wheel was not designed for this type of
vehicle. It's all a matter of taste.

Pat Swanton.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Barry" <rbarry@providence.edu>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes


> At 04:33 PM 3/31/2004, you wrote:
> >Pat,
> >
> >Click on http://www.racegoodyear.com/products/ultrahigh.html .
> >That will give you a good idea what's being used on Formula One race
cars.
>
> Those are actually street-tires; here's a shot of what kind of sidewall
the
> racecars have:
>
> http://www.f1-pics.com/hungary02/hungary2002_004.jpg
>
>
> _______________________________________
> Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
> http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/
>
>

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:04:59 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

On the plus side, I recently bought a 1983 BMW 320 with 116K miles.  It has 
a few minor problems, but parts are fairly reasonable. (for example, I can 
rebuild the complete front end with all new parts for around 
$500).  Slamming the car doors and trunk lid (errr, bonnet) sounds like 
slamming the door on a new car.  Most of the engineering on these things is 
fantastic.  So far, it's been a very impressive $900 car.

M


At 05:34 PM 3/31/2004 -0700, Cliff Simpson wrote:
>>I sympathize, but trust me when I say that you won't be getting any price 
>>breaks on complex BMW or Acura parts; that's for sure.
>
>True but I won't feel bad pawning off the dying Olds to a furrin car 
>dealership :0  Beside I know people who have furrin cars that and they 
>don't go "rattle rattle rattle" down the road at 70K.  I can live with 
>having to replace ABS stuff, alternators, and cruise control before 100K 
>miles but when the dealer tells you the pistons are wearing out I find 
>that unacceptable.

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:06:52 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: RE: Mike's Quadra-bog solved?

If you burn through that, you've got problems!!!

M

At 08:43 AM 3/29/2004 -0700, Kenneth Schopen wrote:
>  I guess 3/4 inch is thick enough to be considered "plugs" and are safe 
> from burning through.

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:23:53 EST
From: Tremendous442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 67 Olds 442  SS1's

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how much?

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:24:33 EST
From: Tremendous442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1964  Olds  cutlass parts

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have a four barrell air cleaner?

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 17:37:12 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty

I' still can't get the picture to download (sigh). Sounds hilarious though.

Kevin 

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:43:17 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1964  Olds  cutlass parts

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I do not have any air cleaners,

I want $300 for the rims  plus shipping

I am in NY

Vinny

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:54:05 EST
From: Joehume@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

We love our Aurora, but......it spends more time in the garage than on the 
road.  The last repairs average a week and a half.  Back in January, one of the 
air bag capsules broke, (didn't deploy) no parts at the local warehouse, can't 
air freight them, finally got the car back after two weeks of listening to my 
wife complain about the loaner they gave her.  ( She detests the Vibe!)  This 
time around, the gauge cluster completely quit working.  I've been 
considering writing a letter, but think it will just fall on deaf ears (or eyes).  I 
keep all the records on our vehicles, I would be willing to bet without looking 
that there are twenty RO's in the glove box.  Can't get over the difference in 
the quality between the car and the Bravada.  Just after a years ownership, 
two RO's for the SUV.  
Then, they have the guts to send a little flyer with the car payment stub to 
consider looking at a Buick.  Just read here how one of the members of this 
fine list is having problems getting service.  I can't complain about our 
dealer, they have really worked with us, but think it is so because their other 
business is Cadillacs.  
Picked up the last brochure on the last Olds models at the auto show. It has 
a DVD included with the history of Olds.  Nice, brief, but has errors.  They 
identify a 1959 as a 1957 model, I pointed it out in the display that was at 
the show, the rep from GM was there, thought the wife was going to pick a fight 
with him.  He said to her the decision was made because of declining sales.  
She told him she could think of other GM brands that had models that didn't 
sell in big amounts, how about eliminating them?  He didn't know what to say to 
her.  Just did a CYA and said the decision was made at a higher level.
When will they learn to listen to what the customers want to buy, instead of 
telling us what to buy?  
Don't know if we will be buying another GM vehicle either!
Thanks for listening!  Rant off........for now!
Joe H

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:04:51 EST
From: Joehume@aol.com
Subject: OOPS!

Don't think is set plain text on that last one...Sorry!
Joe H

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 21:40:54 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Amadei <stephen@amadei.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

On Wed, 31 Mar 2004, Andrew C. Green wrote:

> Well, now, that's just silly. We on the Bonneville list are used to swapping
> out alternators every couple years or so, but (1) the cost is in the area of
> $100, not $500, for the part, and (2) installation is all of about 10
> minutes. Are you talking metric dollars, perhaps? Was this a _claimed_
> expense that was actually covered under warranty?

Bonneville list?!?  Where?  I got three of them now... a '99, a '81 and a
'70 (chopped up into little bits)... Do I qualify?  ;-)

					----Steve
Stephen Amadei
Dandy.NET!  CTO/CSO
Atlantic City, NJ

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:45:53 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

Just got off the phone with my GM customer care rep
(what an oxymoron!) who told me to stick it.  They'll
consider my file closed until such time as the HVAC
goes back into failure mode and I take the car back to
a GM dealer and they can again verify that it is
indeed malfunctioning.

I asked Jessica if there is a TSB for this condition. 
She asked what a TSB is.  I explained and she retorted
that TSBs are for dealers to help them fix customer's
cars.  Somehow she knew that I have 'stupid' tatoo'd
on my forehead, even over the phone.

I told Jessica that this is likely my last new GM
product.  She was sorry to hear that.  I was sorry to
say it - my standard of living is directly attached to
GM, I'm even working on a system that is sponsored by
Lutz himself, a system that keeps track of all costs
of parts for new product development.  Unfortunately,
most of the code is being written in India (85 coders
writting crap).  I'm on a small implementation team.

Working at GM HQ, I see a lot of funny stuff.  On
their closed circuit TV, they ran a special offer for
GM employees on special lease rates on LeSabre. 
Unfortunately, they were showing a picture of a Regal.
 I guess it doesn't matter.  

By the way, here in Detroit, almost all of the ads you
see for cars are directed to employees 'and their
families'.  Their product is so bad they've given up
on the general public?

Those Acura TLs are nice cars.

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:36:42 -0800
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: O2 sensors with carbureted engines

>The lambda sensor is not linear, very sensible close to the 14.7 ratio,
>quite different when lean or rich.  The graph of voltage versus richness is
>a sort of horizontal S shape.
>You can use a digital voltmeter as well, but I like the in-dash led
>indicator, nice and visible. Summit has one at 34 or some.

Matt:

That would be a narrow band sensor that does not measure anything but if 
you are on 14.7 or not. Not very useful for performance tuning, where you 
look to go to 13.8 or something in that range!

Cheers, George

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:49:44 -0500
From: "W-Machines" <W-Machines@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: More Dyno Stuff

Thompson's in Redford MI.  The guy that I used sold his business to his
brother and they moved their shop to Howell MI
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Bejma" <tomcb@prplastics.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:31 AM
Subject: RE: More Dyno Stuff


> Hey Mark - Who does dyno testing in Michigan (for future reference)?
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Bejma
> Harrison Twp., MI
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: W-Machines [mailto:W-Machines@comcast.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:19 PM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: More Dyno Stuff
>
> [Snip]
>
> > Here in Michigan, it costs from 450 to 500 to dyno an engine.
> > regards
> > WMACHINES (Mark Prince)
> > 72 442 W30 race rocket
> >
> >

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:55:30 -0500
From: "W-Machines" <W-Machines@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Has anybody seen this?

looks like a toro air cleaner on a 350.  Somebody put it on
regards Mark
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:00 PM
Subject: Has anybody seen this?


> The first pic is from elsewhere
> http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/01/93/31/a5_1_s.JPG
> 
> This is the second pic.
> http://www.oldsmobility.com/images/cccrear.jpg
>  Is this a canadian option?
> Pat Swanton
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:55:05 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 330 1967 rebuilt or core f/s

No one needs the #4 heads, forged crank, #3 45* block?
Intake sold on eVil for like $44.20 or so, it was LIKE NEW

you can buy it as a core or I will rebuild it, have new rings, bearings, 
etc.
Anybody?
- -----------------------
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:58:47 -0500
From: "W-Machines" <W-Machines@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Has anybody seen this?

I stand corrected.  67 Oldsmobiles
regards WMACHINES
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "OLDSmobility" <OLDSmobility@cableone.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:16 PM
Subject: Re: Has anybody seen this?


> swanny wrote:
> > The first pic is from elsewhere
> > http://i4.ebayimg.com/03/i/01/93/31/a5_1_s.JPG
> > 
> > This is the second pic.
> > http://www.oldsmobility.com/images/cccrear.jpg
> >  Is this a canadian option?
> > Pat Swanton
> > 
> > 
> > 
> You can do some more reading about the Climatic Combustion Control here:
> 
> http://www.oldsmobility.com/carlife_apr67.htm
> 
> Keith
> OLDSmobility.com
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 00:09:44 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!

New 350 all F’d up
Got the new 350 “fired up” at long last today. Took _all day_  just to get 
it fitted with a lower radiator hose that does NOT hit on the frame/ idler 
arm. Checked for spark, all is well, primed the carb with 110 Octane, and 
she fired right up.

Ran pretty good for a minute, then began to sputter. I noticed fuel coming 
out of the carb [newly rebuilt, but been on the shelf for about 30 years…] 
Stuck float. Well, of course, the fan was blowing the fuel right back onto 
the… distributor. Before I could get into the car to shut her down, the 
gasoline caught fire. :-(

I ran to the house to get the fire extinguisher, but it was out of pressure. 
By the time I found the other fire extinguisher, the fire was well under 
way. The car will probably be a total loss, new engine and all. Just when I 
was thinking that this could not possibly get any worse, that it must be 
some sort of bad dream, I remembered that it is very likely that reports 
like that just have to be taken with a big, fat grain of salt on the first 
of April…
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:22:06 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes

I'm sorry Bob, those were *not* street tires. If you will go to
http://www.racegoodyear.com/ and click on the Race Tire Price Catalog, you
can go to each category of race tire that Goodyear makes. I picked the Eagle
F1 Ultra High Performance Radial as an example. F1 stands for Formula One.
It *is* a race tire and is *not* DOT approved. Also on the list is:
the Eagle Dragway Special,
the Short Track Special,
the Eagle Asphalt Track Special,
the Eagle Dirt Track Special,
the Eagle Sports Car Special - G19,
the Eagle Sports Car Special - Rain,
the Vintage Sports Car Special,
the Eagle Sports Car Radial - G19,
the Eagle Sports Car Radial Rain - G18,
and the Showroom Stock D.O.T. Radial.

If you look at the Eagle Asphalt Track Special, you will find a
26.5x10.0-15, a 27.0x10.0-15, and a 28.0x10.0-15. Those are dry asphalt race
tires that look like what is on the picture of the F1 car. Also, those tires
are what a NASCAR Grand National would run. Depending on track conditions,
track characteristics, and the weather, the tire run for that race will be
determined within those parameters. All the race tire manufacturers have
their tire 18-wheeler trucks at all the races and supply race tires to the
competitors on the spot. It's no trick to change tires at will.

In addition, those 3 Eagle Asphalt Track Specials have diameters of 26.7",
27.6", and 28.1". It would not be uncommon for a race car to use all 3
diameters to put stagger in the chassis for continuous left hand turns, or
maybe for other chassis loading configurations. Just ask our resident circle
tracker, Ken Snyder in Kansas.

However, those first Goodyear tires I cited are genuine Formula One race
tires.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Barry" <rbarry@providence.edu>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes


> At 04:33 PM 3/31/2004, you wrote:
> >Pat,
> >
> >Click on http://www.racegoodyear.com/products/ultrahigh.html .
> >That will give you a good idea what's being used on Formula One race
cars.
>
> Those are actually street-tires; here's a shot of what kind of sidewall
the
> racecars have:
>
> http://www.f1-pics.com/hungary02/hungary2002_004.jpg
>
>
> _______________________________________
> Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
> http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/
>

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:20:15 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: Calcs of all kinds/Joe

Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com> wrote:

I'm not sure what formulas are used to figure it out.
>
>Those of you who know the physics for this, how does it work?
>
>    - Joe Vahabzadeh

Hello
I got this in the mail the other day...maybe some of these are helpful for some of us?
http://www.csgnetwork.com/automotiveconverters.html
Good luck!
Randy H.
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 01:26:53 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: More Tires,, press./Bracket racin

Hello
Last year i started doin what a few others were and fillin up the drivers  frt. tire say 5 pds more then pass.
This way only one tire activates the beam at the strip.
If you come in just a little crooked and not do the press. trick it could mean a very slow light.
If ya red light take 2 pds outa drivers.
If ya slow add a coupla pds.
But leave at the same time ya did before.
Werked very well at the end of last season.
Good luck!
Randy H.

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:42:42 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!

Yeah, we know what you do on 1 April!

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 10:09 PM
Subject: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!


> New 350 all F’d up
> Got the new 350 “fired up” at long last today. Took _all day_  just to get
> it fitted with a lower radiator hose that does NOT hit on the frame/ idler
> arm. Checked for spark, all is well, primed the carb with 110 Octane, and
> she fired right up.
>
> Ran pretty good for a minute, then began to sputter. I noticed fuel coming
> out of the carb [newly rebuilt, but been on the shelf for about 30 years…]
> Stuck float. Well, of course, the fan was blowing the fuel right back onto
> the… distributor. Before I could get into the car to shut her down, the
> gasoline caught fire. :-(
>
> I ran to the house to get the fire extinguisher, but it was out of
pressure.
> By the time I found the other fire extinguisher, the fire was well under
> way. The car will probably be a total loss, new engine and all. Just when
I
> was thinking that this could not possibly get any worse, that it must be
> some sort of bad dream, I remembered that it is very likely that reports
> like that just have to be taken with a big, fat grain of salt on the first
> of April…
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 01:53:38 -0500
From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes

My 245/45ZR17 and 255/45ZR17 tires on my '87 ride no worse than my old piece
of junk BFG's and 14" stock wheels.

I just noticed this for a fact as I had to swap out my 17's for the old 14's
to take the car down to a friends house so that he could start on the
bodywork and paint.
The only thing I did notice is" 1) The stock rims/tires make the car look
really knock-kneed, 2) the 14's didn't ride any softer than the 17's and 3)
the 17's absolutely help the car stay flat in the turns compared to the
14's.

And the 255/45 Yokohama A520's get a lot better traction than the BFG's
also! :)

Andrew Geeting
geeting@woh.rr.com
'87 Cutlass Supreme 461
'98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf

> Ahh, yes . . .  it was once described to me that 35 to 45 series tires
give
> a ride that is akin to riding on solid rock.
>
> Not speaking from personal experience, though....
>
>
> - Joe Vahabzadeh
>

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 02:03:13 -0500
From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes

Here it shows it as an ultra-high performance street tire:

http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyeartireselector/display_tire.jsp?prodline=Eagle+F1&mrktarea=Performance

I didn't see the F1 race tire you were talking about.

Andrew Geeting
geeting@woh.rr.com
'87 Cutlass Supreme 461
'98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf


> I'm sorry Bob, those were *not* street tires. If you will go to
> http://www.racegoodyear.com/ and click on the Race Tire Price Catalog, you
> can go to each category of race tire that Goodyear makes. I picked the
Eagle
> F1 Ultra High Performance Radial as an example. F1 stands for Formula One.
> It *is* a race tire and is *not* DOT approved. Also on the list is:

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:14:42 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes

To get good BFGs, you need to use the BFG Comp T/A radials. The rest of the
BFG T/As are just Mom & Pop tires.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes


> My 245/45ZR17 and 255/45ZR17 tires on my '87 ride no worse than my old
piece
> of junk BFG's and 14" stock wheels.
>
> I just noticed this for a fact as I had to swap out my 17's for the old
14's
> to take the car down to a friends house so that he could start on the
> bodywork and paint.
> The only thing I did notice is" 1) The stock rims/tires make the car look
> really knock-kneed, 2) the 14's didn't ride any softer than the 17's and
3)
> the 17's absolutely help the car stay flat in the turns compared to the
> 14's.
>
> And the 255/45 Yokohama A520's get a lot better traction than the BFG's
> also! :)
>
> Andrew Geeting
> geeting@woh.rr.com
> '87 Cutlass Supreme 461
> '98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
> http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf
>
> > Ahh, yes . . .  it was once described to me that 35 to 45 series tires
> give
> > a ride that is akin to riding on solid rock.
> >
> > Not speaking from personal experience, though....
> >
> >
> > - Joe Vahabzadeh
> >
>
>

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:21:38 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes

Lets do it again.

You are confusing the street marketed Eagle F1 with the ***non-DOT*** Eagle
F1 Ultra High Performance Radial racing tire.

The Eagle F1 Ultra High Performance Radial racing tire costs about $700.00
per tire! That's not a street tire!

If you will go to http://www.racegoodyear.com/ and click on the ***Race***
Tire Price Catalog, you can go to each category of race tire that Goodyear
makes. I picked the Eagle F1 Ultra High Performance Radial as an example. F1
stands for Formula One.
It *is* a race tire and is *not* DOT approved. Also on the list is:
the Eagle Dragway Special,
the Short Track Special,
the Eagle Asphalt Track Special,
the Eagle Dirt Track Special,
the Eagle Sports Car Special - G19,
the Eagle Sports Car Special - Rain,
the Vintage Sports Car Special,
the Eagle Sports Car Radial - G19,
the Eagle Sports Car Radial Rain - G18,
and the Showroom Stock D.O.T. Radial.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes


> Here it shows it as an ultra-high performance street tire:
>
>
http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyeartireselector/display_tire.jsp?prodline=
Eagle+F1&mrktarea=Performance
>
> I didn't see the F1 race tire you were talking about.
>
> Andrew Geeting
> geeting@woh.rr.com
> '87 Cutlass Supreme 461
> '98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
> http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf
>
>
> > I'm sorry Bob, those were *not* street tires. If you will go to
> > http://www.racegoodyear.com/ and click on the Race Tire Price Catalog,
you
> > can go to each category of race tire that Goodyear makes. I picked the
> Eagle
> > F1 Ultra High Performance Radial as an example. F1 stands for Formula
One.
> > It *is* a race tire and is *not* DOT approved. Also on the list is:
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 00:29:10 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes

Andrew,

This was the original message. You went to the wrong website!

"Pat,

"Click on http://www.racegoodyear.com/products/ultrahigh.html .
That will give you a good idea what's being used on Formula One race cars."

Notice the URL. It says racegoodyear. That makes a difference. Notice the
prices. They run from $505.00 to $903.00 with most over $645.00 per tire.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:03 AM
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes


> Here it shows it as an ultra-high performance street tire:
>
>
http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyeartireselector/display_tire.jsp?prodline=
Eagle+F1&mrktarea=Performance
>
> I didn't see the F1 race tire you were talking about.
>
> Andrew Geeting
> geeting@woh.rr.com
> '87 Cutlass Supreme 461
> '98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
> http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf
>
>
> > I'm sorry Bob, those were *not* street tires. If you will go to
> > http://www.racegoodyear.com/ and click on the Race Tire Price Catalog,
you
> > can go to each category of race tire that Goodyear makes. I picked the
> Eagle
> > F1 Ultra High Performance Radial as an example. F1 stands for Formula
One.
> > It *is* a race tire and is *not* DOT approved. Also on the list is:
>
>
>

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