
oldsmobile-digest       Saturday, April 3 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4843



Re: air filter
Hemmings
Cam Problem  
Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
Re: Fire extinguishers
Re: 2003 Olds Nationals
Re: air filter
carb fires
Re: Hemmings
Re: Cam Problem
more 01APR fun
Re: More Dyno Stuff
long time owners
PS pump bracket diffs
Anti theft
New items up for grabs
Re: Cam Problem  
Re: long time owners
Re: long time owners
Re: 2003 Olds Nationals
Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
Re: More Dyno Stuff
Re: Bronze engine paint
Re: 2003 Olds Nationals
Re: 2003 Olds Nationals
Re: 2003 Olds Nationals
Seat Covers
RE: Seat Covers
Re: Seat Covers
It's baaaaaack! 
Re: Seat Covers
Re: Seat Covers
RE: Seat Covers
FS: Oldsmobile Chassis and Body Service Manuals
RE: Seat Covers
Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
It's.... alive!

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:00:12 EST
From: S61starfir@aol.com
Subject: Re: air filter

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In a message dated 4/2/2004 4:16:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Ayashkeefer@aol.com writes:
hey guys,where can i find a air filter for my 1960 super 88,394 c.i.i have 
tryed on line auto parts stores,but they keep sending the wrong ones.keith 
soden,oca#035738 

Keith
  I have them in stock,  I will e-mail you privately.

Everett  OCA# 1961   1961 Starfire

E & G Automotive
9 Newman Ave
Rumford, RI 02916
1-401-435-7139

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 17:07:22 -0800 (PST)
From: J Pajak <ransomeliolds@yahoo.com>
Subject: Hemmings

So I go to Hemmings.com

I can't find the Olds story

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:57:07 -0500
From: "Marty McLeod" <marty.regena@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Cam Problem  

Has anybody ever had a problem installing a Engle/ Mondello camshaft.  I
removed the stock camshaft very carefully and tried to install the new Engle
cam and it slid in very easily up until about the last quarter inch.  It
would not go all the way in to the block and it jammed up.  I could not go
in or out with the cam.  I finally was able to work it out and I shined a
light down through the block and there was nothing obstructing the opening.
I relubed it and tried again.  Same problem.  So I thought that maybe a
might have slightly burred or nicked a cam bearing taking the old one out,
so I thought if that were the case the stock cam would not go back in
either.  I tried putting it back in and sure enough it slid right in.  The
only thing I can think of now is that there is a problem with the cam
bearing journal on the cam itself that it is maybe slightly too large for
the front cam bearing.  That is where it seems to be jamming.  Any help that
anyone can give would be greatly appreciated.

Marty McLeod
69 Cutlass S 455 Convertible

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:33:06 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

  frankly g.m is just going to the dogs, upper management is a joke, first the olds  is to go then
caprice, now firebird and camaro. and every division has a stupid suv.
  the caprice was the last decent car they made
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:13 AM
  Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors


  > (Getting caught up at last after a day off...)
  >
  > >Someone else brought up the lemon-law issue, you might want to check into
  > >how that works.  Isn't it a sort of a deal where they only get three
  > >chances?
  >
  > I suspect they would have to be safety-related problems that are acting
  > unresolvable to be counted under the Lemon Law, and a defective HVAC
  > controller probably doesn't fall into that category; e.g. failure to keep
  > the windshield from fogging up may be a bit of a stretch as far as
  > "safety-related" items go.
  >
  > >Or perhaps, as suggested, try another dealer.  Also make sure that, if
  > >there's a place in GM to complain about this specific dealership, to do so,
  > >as well as about the GM customer (don't) care rep.
  >
  > Yes, and in particular, document this mess in writing wherever possible.
  > e.g. Document your conversation with the loony Customer Care rep in a letter
  > to your Zone office, as well as the results of each unsuccessful visit.
  > You'll need this paper trail in case the whole thing winds up in Small
  > Claims Court.
  >
  > -- Andy
  >
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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 18:38:17 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Fire extinguishers

  military uses halon but for general use the problem  it simply killed the perso useing it or they
were extinguishing because it removes oxygen.
  but the stuff works great
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:36 PM
  Subject: Re: Fire extinguishers


  > Unfortunately, the good folks who are determined to protect us from
  > ourselves saw fit to ban the **most** effective fire extinguishing agent,
  > HALON. CO2 works very well, but HALON is fantastic. I've put out one engine
  > fire on a vehicle and a gas turbine fire with HALON. The results were
  > fantastic. I still have four 10 pound HALON fire extinguishers. Their
  > pressure has held.
  >
  > Milton Schick
  > 1964 442 Cutlass
  > imp@theriver.com
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
  > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:28 AM
  > Subject: RE: Fire extinguishers
  >
  >
  > > >Yeah, but those extinguishers can go flat after a while, so you
  > > >have to keep paying to get them recharged, or even worse, buy new
  > > >ones.
  > >
  > > (April Fools Day duly noted... :-)
  > >
  > > As one who's had the honor of _actually_ putting out a flaming Oldsmobile
  > > (yes, the old posting about the adventure at the Rock 'n' Roll McDonald's
  > > :-), I can tell you that Size Matters; get the largest one you can
  > > comfortably deal with Re: carrying or storage. In my experience I have not
  > > seen any leak down over time, but of course you'll want to eyeball that
  > > pressure gauge every now and then to be sure.
  > >
  > > -- Andy
  > >
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  >
  >
  >

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 14:45:53 -0800
From: Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.us>
Subject: Re: 2003 Olds Nationals

On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 03:33:23PM -0500, swanny wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 02, 2004 at 3:14 PM -????, JonKrisInc@aol.com wrote:
> > Hemmings is doing a feature article on the 2003 Olds Nationals with some 
> > great pictures.
> > Go to: www.hemings.com And scroll down.
> > 
> That link is all bible stuff.......

It could've been worse...if you misspell some URLs, you end up at pr0n
sites.  That's not a good thing to have happen to you if you're at work. :-|

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 22:23:22 -0500
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: air filter

I *might* be able to get some part numbers at least... we've got some books
that go WAY back....

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

At 04:11 PM 04/02/2004 EST, you wrote:
>hey guys,where can i find a air filter for my 1960 super 88,394 c.i.i have
>tryed on line auto parts stores,but they keep sending the wrong ones.keith
>soden,oca#035738 

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 19:26:47 -0800
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: carb fires

Remember, the best way to put out a carb fire that results from a big 
misfire (during engine birth) is to keep cranking the engine and flooring 
the pedal. Usually the carb fire gets sucked right into the intake and is out.

Of course, if there is a puddle of fuel on the intake like in Chris' April 
1 fantasy, you have a problem. I'd try towels / rags next and if that 
doesn't help put it out with the extinguisher.

I have powder extinguishers (2.5lb) in my oldsmobiles and a 5 lb halon in 
the track toy...

George

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:01:22 -0600
From: "jbschuren" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Hemmings

same here.... is there a "direct" link?

JB Schuren
71Cutlass Conv Rocket 350 w/HEI.
03 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi QC
http://foggy.audioguy.net

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "J Pajak" <ransomeliolds@yahoo.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 7:07 PM
Subject: Hemmings


> So I go to Hemmings.com
> 
> I can't find the Olds story
> 
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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 22:57:57 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Cam Problem

Marty,


> so I thought if that were the case the stock cam would not go back in
> either.  I tried putting it back in and sure enough it slid right in.  The
> only thing I can think of now is that there is a problem with the cam
> bearing journal on the cam itself that it is maybe slightly too large for
> the front cam bearing.


Crap. I should have thought of that last night when I replied to you.

Okay, this won't be the first time a cam was machined wrong. If you don't
have a dial caliper or a micrometer the right size, go find one, borrow it,
and precisely measure the diameters of the bearing journals on the old cam
and the new cam. Compare them. I'll bet the new cam is larger, at least on
the front journal, and was machined wrong. If so, yell and scream at the
manufacturer, politely.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:11:27 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: more 01APR fun

for the enjoyment of the folks at ROP.com, I posted this:

"Hey, guys!
An Internet search led me to this forum, maybe you guys can help me out with 
a little noise and trans problem…

I have always been a Chevy guy – My last car was a Monte Carlo SS- fast! And 
I had a Ford truck too. The Carlo died last month, so I sold it for parts. I 
was looking for a sweet ride, and came across an ad in the paper for a “1969 
Chevy High Output V8 $2500” Went to look at it, looked in good shape, but 
did not say Chevrolet on it. Owner said it ran when parked in 1985 or so. It 
does have “H/O” badges on it, and on the hood scoops. Looks kinda like a 
Chevelle. Must be a sport model. The price was right, so I bought it.

Got it home, got it running, but not running very good yet. A friend of mine 
came over, and he found paperwork saying the car is an Oldsmobile, so that 
gave me the idea to look on the internet for Oldmobile experts who can help 
out.

Poking around the engine, adjusting things to make it run better, I noticed 
a weird air cleaner with a flappy door on top. Removed that and tossed it- 
that can’t be very good for power. Ran to the store to get some fresh gas, a 
K&N air filter, and some Splitfire spark pugs too. Put on the K&N, and the 
SplitFire plugs, then put the fresh gas in.

Car runs a lot better now- amazing what a good air filter can do, and super 
duty spark plugs. Took it for test ride, and I noticed a couple problems….

Problem 1: it seems to get stuck in 2nd gear, runs about 3000 rpm at 60 mph. 
Maybe it’s a broken shifter- there is like a extra slot on the shifter that 
doesn’t seem to have any use.

Problem 2: Also, when I take off fast, there’s a lot of noise from the rear 
end, kind of a screechy noise, usually some smoke comes out from the rear 
end too, and the rear end feels loose and even goes sideways a little. Same 
noise happens right after it shifts, too. My Chevy never behaved like that!

If you can help me figure out what would cause the car to behave like this, 
I would sure appreciate it. Sure seems strong for such a quiet car. I can’t 
wait to get some glasspack mufflers or Flowmasters on there, and a good 
Holley carb under that K&N. "

.-------------------

Which did not work because of the 300+ posts shown
So, I went to Parts For Sale and listed a 1966 tri-carb air cleaner for 
$250.
Got 1 guy.
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 17:38:50 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: More Dyno Stuff

> for a good torque down the rpms...
> it is a clone of the Ed Performer ( at usd 49,45 ! ), say 214/224 ( 280/290
> adv ) and .472/.496 with 112 deg center -
>Any thoughts?

Good choice for strong upper low-end and mid-range. Cruise speed should be in the 2200-2600 Range @ 60 mph. Choose a
rear gear set based on your tire size to meet this rpm and you'll have a good combo. A 2200-2400 RPM stall will help
launches.

Kevin

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:33:27 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: long time owners

well, I have had the 68 convert since before the 90th anniversary, bought it 
about 1985 I guess. Blessing and a curse, I tell ya.

Had the hardtop for about 13 yrs now, but it only ran for about 1 season. 
Currently being parts storage, until and unless $ flows to get its body 
replaced with that NM unit.

I have had a certain 1966 4dr since oh 1980? But, I drove it only the 5 
miles from its former place to the farm, field-bombed it a little, parted it 
out, and the rotting car-cass still sits in the woods.

Have had a certain 403 engine since about 1980. Used very little since. 1 
summer in the '67 Cutlass, 1 summer in the '67 truck, unused otherwise. 
Might have maybe 40k miles on it. It was only 2 yrs old when I bought it.

Most of the parts cars have been acquired since moving back to MI in 1990.
- -----------------------
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:36:59 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: PS pump bracket diffs

working on the '71 the other day
Brace that supports PS bracket to front xst man bolt was... welded.... to 
the PS bracket. Strange. Cut weld, attempted to fit it, no workee. No way. 
Not a chance.

Dug into the supply of such braces, to find that there are TWO TYPES.

I thought that there were 1 type, and user chose one or other hole to suit 
BBO vs SBO. Not so.

Type II fit perfectly.

Consequently, I extensively documented the differences.

Anything ELSE can go wrong here?

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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:44:41 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Anti theft

Working on the 1971 Cutlass
What with the new engine, seemed like a good idea to install an anti theft 
device.

Oh man, pretty easy, and works great. I was gonna wire it to brakes lites, 
so that starter will not engage unless brakes are on, but nowadays, many 
vehicles are like that, and too easy to inadvertently bypass. So, now it 
requires that a certain switch be activated, or the starter will not 
function.

Ended up running choke and HEI off 1 new ckt. Battery feeds 40A ckt breaker 
mtd to LH inner fender liner near battery. That feeds 70A relay mtd behind 
brake booster. Relay is run by ign circuit [used to be the resistor wire]. 
Output of the relay feeds both HEI and choke.

Pix available upon request.

Should fire up at long last tomorrow [Sunday]
Snow/ freezing cold due Sunday nite. :-(

PS I have MANY such relays and circuit breakers, NEW, for cheap. Short bits 
of heat shrink tube. Stainless screws worked GREAT to mount the ckt brkr to 
the inner fender liner.
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 02:49:09 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: New items up for grabs

67 decklid
67 Cutlass decklid trim
66 convertible interior panels
66 convert visors and mounts
67 442 grille/ bar/ RH headlight bezel
67 Cs LH fender, REAL NICE, and PLASTIC fender liner.
66 am radio with knobs and support bracket.
66 convert PTop Switch
66 442 dash emblem
66 442 dash plastic pc.
66 442 bucket seats

Please inquire by PHONE or DIRECT EMAIL
THANKS.
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Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 01:00:27 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Cam Problem  

Marty,


> so I thought if that were the case the stock cam would not go back in
> either.  I tried putting it back in and sure enough it slid right in.  The
> only thing I can think of now is that there is a problem with the cam
> bearing journal on the cam itself that it is maybe slightly too large for
> the front cam bearing.


I should have thought of that last night when I replied to you.

Okay, this won't be the first time a cam was machined wrong. If you don't
have a dial caliper or a micrometer the right size, go find one, borrow it,
and precisely measure the diameters of the bearing journals on the old cam
and the new cam. Compare them. I'll bet the new cam is larger, at least on
the front journal, and was machined wrong. If so, yell and scream at the
manufacturer, politely.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 01:11:49 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: long time owners

I bought the '64 442 Cutlass that would be turned into Thunder Lizard on the
day after Thanksgiving, 1968. That's 35 years and 4 months ago.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 06:41:39 -0500
From: Michael McDonald <McDonald_M@72ho.com>
Subject: Re: long time owners

I purchased my very first Olds (and my very first car) in the Spring of 1973.  
She is a Viking blue with back bucket interior Cutlass "S".  She now has 
156,000 on the clock. 
  
Michigan winters have taken their toll on the body.  Had Zeibart undercoating 
applied when I picked her up at 20,000 miles.  She now "belongs" (it's the 
only way I could trick my wife to let me keep the rusty old POC) to my eight 
year old son.  

"I am going to fix up my father's Oldsmobile someday" is what he tells his 
playground friends. I cry a tear of happiness everytime I hear him say it.

Best wishes, 

Mike McDonald
McDonald_M@72ho.com

1972 Hurst/Olds sunroof coupe
    "as seen on Speed TV"
   The American Musclecar    
            or
        www.72ho.com

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 11:54:19 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 2003 Olds Nationals

At 02:45 PM 4/2/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>It could've been worse...if you misspell some URLs, you end up at 
>pr0n sites.  That's not a good thing to have happen to you if you're 
>at work. :-|

One day at work, I wanted to look up some Motorola integrated circuits; so
I typed in the usual http://www.motorola.com. Up came a child porn site
===============8-O

SteveH

P.S. Needless to say, I didn't try that URL again for quite a while....

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 11:51:36 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

At 06:33 PM 4/2/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>frankly g.m is just going to the dogs, upper management is a 
>joke, first the olds  is to go then caprice, now firebird and 
>camaro. and every division has a stupid suv. 
>the caprice was the last decent car they made

.... and we aren't talking orca-type: pre-1991s only. Don't forget the
full-sized wagons, though; those were at least as good as the Crapice.

Before that, it was the RWD Cutlass, and possibly some RWD Regals and maybe
even RWD Grand Prix, and then RWD Delta 88 before '86.

SteveH

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 08:33:03 -0500
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: More Dyno Stuff

"Ouch! I didn't remember you had a high speed gear like that. I don't have
any experience with an Olds engine operating with a gear lower than 3.08.
I'm not sure what will happen. Yeah, your 7.5" axle and TH350C might not
last long. A 8.5" and a TH400 might be in your future."

Cannot speak exactly for your combination, but the '78 Cutlass I had in high school had 2.73 gears in her 7.5" rear, no posi and I dropped a healthy Olds 350 into her (flat top pistons, #7 heads - approx 9.8:1 compression, headers).  Engine had a fairly large Kenne-Bell cam (300/300, 0.490/0.490) - not the most efficient grind but I was just learning about Olds at the time.  Anyway, the engine was mated to a Turbo 350 with a 2800 rpm stall speed converter with a shift kit.  The car was interesting to drive....

It would roast the 245/60r15 Eagle ST at will from a standing stop (sometimes would get both of them spinning if traction was limited), it would shift out of first at almost 60 mph at WOT, and out of second at over 90.  It was a real blast out on the highway but posi and a lower gear would have been better around town.  Still, it was kind of cool to be able to drop it into first at 45-50 mph and punch it to pass someone (although more than a few times it broke the rear tire loose doing this!  Nothing like passing someone while smoking the rear tire all the way LOL.)  Never had a failure from the rear, although limited traction likely lessened the impact of the power.  Would have upgraded to 3.73 gears and a posi rear if the frame had not developed terminal cancer.....  but I still have the engine block in the garage waiting to be freshened up.  Have swapped to an Engle 22-25-10 cam in the interim and have had the heads freshened up, but have not gotten the broken ARP head stud out of the block yet in order to put it back together (broke off just below the deck surface).  Good summer project.....  the new '78 Cutlass could use a little more kick than the 110k mile 231 can provide.


BTW gang - the Turbo 350 in the Cutlass works well when driving around, but when sitting still in gear at idle (at a red light for example) it sometimes seems to lose line pressure and releases out of gear.  I hit the gas to go and the engine revs a bit, then the trans dumps into gear and the car lurches forward.  Any ideas?  I had thought about trying B&M Trick Shift fluid and a shift kit but was concerned that the trans may have a more serious problem and maybe I should just invest in a complete overhaul (around $350-$500 in this area, if I remove and bring the trans in myself).  Any thoughts?

Have a great weekend all!

Michael Ecker

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 09:36:10 EST
From: TYBVHOU@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bronze engine paint

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 10:54:20 -0500
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: 2003 Olds Nationals

Thanks so much Pat.....I hope your boy is doing good and is in the fast lane
to recovery.

Tami

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:39:25 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: 2003 Olds Nationals

Thanx Tami, he's doing fine and is ready to go back to his 'Olds' self LOL.
I just vivited your site, real nice!. One question, how do you remove the
image links next to my pictures?
Thanks again Pat.

http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78



- ----- Original Message -----
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: 2003 Olds Nationals


> Thanks so much Pat.....I hope your boy is doing good and is in the fast
lane
> to recovery.
>
> Tami
>
>

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 11:48:27 -0500
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: 2003 Olds Nationals

Glad your boy is better!

Let me look into it...its been a while since I have posted pics to this
site...hopefully can get back with ya if a few...if not this weekend for
sure!

Thanks...she is my first baby...love that car!

Tami

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 09:05:47 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Seat Covers

I would like to clean up the upholstery on my 69 Cutlass but at this point in time, a complete re-do is out of the
question. I would like to use seat covers for now providing I can find some that fit well (front & back).

Any recommendations?

Kevin

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:17:09 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Seat Covers

There is only one company that makes them. PUI.

John Nasta
Old Car Network
http://oldcarnetwork.com


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Kevin & Casey Olund
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:06 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Seat Covers

I would like to clean up the upholstery on my 69 Cutlass but at this point
in time, a complete re-do is out of the
question. I would like to use seat covers for now providing I can find some
that fit well (front & back).

Any recommendations?

Kevin

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:25:59 -0500
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: Seat Covers

Kevin.....how bad are the seats? If not to bad...ripped and like that...why
not repaint??  Last yr I repainted my back seat and all the
panels...sides...doors...pillars....and it turned out real nice....sure had
to take everything out of the car but it wasnt that hard...I did it all by
myself! Well hubby did help with two window cranks...

Just a thought...dont have any ideas about covers...bought a cheap one for
the front seat as it is ripped up pretty bad. But it works fairly well for
the time being.

Tami

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:31:47 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: It's baaaaaack! 

The faked VIN stamp 1969 H/O back on eVil

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15287&item=2470655436

I sent the seller this:

Have you no morals, sir?!
You have been notified REPEATEDLY that the 1969 H/O's VIN stamp on the 
engine is FAKE- it's not even the RIGHT NUMBER that should be there!!! Yet, 
here is the car, again, listed without correcting that blatant LIE. I 
reported that to eBay, but they reply only that it is up to all al buyers to 
beware of scurrilous cheating sellers such as yourself. What does it take to 
"convince" you to CORRECT YOUR LYING AD?

Chris Witt
*the* Rocket Scientist
517-449-0432

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 09:39:13 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Seat Covers

> Kevin.....how bad are the seats? If not to bad...ripped and like that...why
> not repaint??

Unfortunately they are pretty cracked, etc. The car was stored uncovered (outside) for 18 years. They looked great when
I bought them, but the vinyl is dry and hard and is cracking pretty severely :o(

Good Idea otherwise though

Kevin

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 09:40:06 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Seat Covers

> There is only one company that makes them. PUI.
> 

Are you referring to the skins that look exactly like the original upholstery, or do they have seat covers also?

Kevin  

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 12:53:58 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Seat Covers

I'm talking about the pre-sewn sets that match original.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Kevin & Casey Olund
Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 12:40 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Seat Covers



> There is only one company that makes them. PUI.
>

Are you referring to the skins that look exactly like the original
upholstery, or do they have seat covers also?

Kevin

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 13:01:23 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <64f-85@comcast.net>
Subject: FS: Oldsmobile Chassis and Body Service Manuals

Hi Guys,
    I have several chassis and body manuals that I would like to sell. 
They vary in condition from nearly new to worn and greasy. All prices 
INCLUDE Media Mail postage in the US. Foreign buyers would have to add 
shipping (but I'll credit you whatever the US Media Mail amount would 
be). Please reply directly to me at  64f-85@comcast.net  
    First come, first served. Paypal, checks or money orders would be 
fine. Without further ado here's the list:

1959 Olds Service Manual. Near new condition. $60
1963 Olds Service Manual. Very good condition with some cover and edge 
soiling     $35
1965 Chassis Service Manual.  Slight cover wear and some soiling on 
edges but clean inside. $35
1966 Chassis Service Manual. Minor spine damage and cover wear but nice 
otherwise.  $35
1966 Fisher Body Parts Illustration Manual. Cover and edge soiling but 
nice. $35
1966 Fisher Body Manual. Some soiling to cover but nice otherwise  $30
1967 Chassis Service Manual. Minor spine damage and some soiling to 
cover and edges. $35
1969 Fisher Body Manual.  Soiling to cover and edges but decent . $25
1970 Chassis Service Manual. Nearly new with minor soiling to page 
edges.   $45
1976 Chassis Service Manual.  Near new with a little storage wear on 
cover.  $40
1978 Fisher Body Manual. Near new with some corner bumping and edge 
soiling $25
1980 Service Manual. Starfire, Cutlass, 88, 98, Toronado.  Some cover 
wear but very nice otherwise.  $35
1983 Chassis Service Manual. Firenza, Omega, Cutlass Ciera.  Moderate 
cover wear and edge soiling  $20
1983 Olds Electrical Troubleshooting Manual. Full Line.  Minor cover 
wear and edge soiling.  $20
1983 Fisher Body Manual. B-C-D-E-G-K Styles. Nice with some cover wear.  $25
1990 Service manual for 88's and 98's.   Very beat but readable.   $15

Thanks for looking,
Gene
64f-85@comcast.net

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 12:20:35 -0800
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: RE: Seat Covers

>I'm talking about the pre-sewn sets that match original.

They are about $400 for the set, front and back. I wouldn't think about 
doing it any differently. Even a half way decent set of aftermarket covers, 
with your favorite mickey mouse logo or tiger pattern will cost $100. Do it 
right the first time! If you can't pay for both, do one set of seats at a time!

George

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Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2004 17:35:58 -0500
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

> .... and we aren't talking orca-type: pre-1991s only. Don't forget the
> full-sized wagons, though; those were at least as good as the Crapice.
Hey, don't knock the orcas! My 94 LT1 Roadmaster can smoke your wagon while
towing a wagon behind it :P
On a side- non-Olds-note, I had some fun in the Buick today. Floored from a
stop, came back, measured continuous single strip of rubber. 334 feet.

Chris

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Date: Sat, 03 Apr 2004 19:28:27 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: It's.... alive!

Finally at long last fired up the 350 today, 2:50 pm

Worked thru 1am getting the last details squared away. Fired right up- very 
handy to mark the camshaft so that you can look in the dist hole and see if 
it's at TDC #1 or TDC #6...  Primed carb with 110 Octane, no problems as she 
came up to temp. No leaks, no bad sounds. Shut her down roa a while to cool 
off and get the trans inspection cover in place.

Won't shut off! What the...?

Key off, engine on. Not dieseling on, but ON on.

Grrrrrr....
Original bulkhead ign wire to dist'r was removed, new wire in that slot was 
used to run a relay which connects a fused #10 line from the battery to the 
HEI and the choke heat. Pretty simple. Ign on, relay comes on, ign off... 
relay stays on?!?!?! Seems almost to be self-energizing. Relay is mounted 
behind the power brake booster. No major other circuits next to it. I used 
the spot in the builkhead where the black/ pink wire was, which the CSM says 
is switch ign circuit. center of 3 wires in the row just above the bottom 
single terminal. When not attached to the relay, the new wire behaves just 
like it should. On with ign on, off when off.

I guess I try to put a diode in there. Let the coil energy cycle out when 
disconnected. Wonder if just swapping the coil activation wires would do it?

Anyhow, she runs pretty well. Must remember to drain the water tonite, 
supposed to get real cold.

Oh, one more bit of fun.
Went out to restart it for a few more minutes' break-in, only to see the red 
OIL lite is on?!
No strange noises. But, anything can happen. No OP Sender socket, Grrrr.... 
go get it... remove op sender, install mechanical OP gage. Fire up engine, 
45 psi no problems. Why the sender picked NOW to poop out?!?!?! Here, have 
some more STRESS, eh?
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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