
oldsmobile-digest        Thursday, May 6 2004        Volume 01 : Number 4880



Re: Anyone have access to AllData or Olds Tech Bulletins? (Intrigue)
RE: Metal dash suppliers
RE: Vent window cranks
Re: Metal dash suppliers
Re: Stainless Steel Exhaust Manifold Locking Tabs
RE: Vent window cranks
Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C
Re: looking for interior "post" trim
Re: Vent window cranks
RE: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?
Re: looking for interior "post" trim
RE: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?
RE: looking for interior "post" trim
Re: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?
Re: Anyone have access to AllData or Olds Tech Bulletins? (Intrigue)
Re: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?
RE: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?
RE: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?
Re: rims for sale and parts wanted
'84-'86 Cutlass hood ornament wanted
RE: Vent window cranks
RE: '84-'86 Cutlass hood ornament wanted
'74 and '81 Cutlass hood/front pannel ornaments wanted
Official Date of Last Olds Produced
OldsmobileForums.com
RE: Official Date of Last Olds Produced
RE: '84-'86 Cutlass hood ornament wanted
Re: Anyone have access to AllData or Olds Tech Bulletins? (Intrigue)
New member to the stable, 1966 Dynamic 88 convertible
RE: Vent window cranks

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 10:48:11 -0400
From: "Bill Reilly" <william.reilly@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone have access to AllData or Olds Tech Bulletins? (Intrigue)

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <brad442@comcast.net>

> Anyone have access to AllData or Olds Tech Bulletins? (Intrigue)

Can't help you with the bulletins but I have some similar problems.

> Hit me off list as I have a couple bulletins I want to show to a dealer
when I bring in my Intrigue to get some warranty work.
> - Gurgle in dash when first moving (DexCrap?!)

I don't get a gurgle from the dash, but a soft glug glug from the driver
side suspension area that I can feel in the steering wheel. Usually when I
put the car in drive from being parked while turning at hte same time.

> - Harsh shifting (1-2 and 2-3) after being in stop & go traffic for 10-15
min (Pressure sensor or some spring?)

I've had this happen occasioanlly, too. But only when I've been low on gas.
I had the check engine light come on once when this happened once  as well,
but no cause was ever determined. It tripped a few codes but my mechanic
(non Dealer)  said it pointed to a loose electrical connection. Hasn't  done
it since. I attributed it to being low on gas and the fuel pick up being
blocked by junk.

> - wobbling drivers side rear view mirror (AalLL SssPeEeEDSsssss)

Mine doesn't do that.

I hate how the stainless window trim on the front doors moves and hits the
rear doors making it difficult to shut the doors. Usually about every other
month I take the hammer out and bang them back into place.

Bill Reilly
'00 Intrigue

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 10:53:30 -0400 
From: james.zito@ps.ge.com
Subject: RE: Metal dash suppliers

Does any list member know if there are any sheet metal suppliers that carry
metal dashes for 68-72 GM A bodies?
Looking for the metal portion from the edge of the dash pad to the
windshield from pillar to pillar.

Sorry Dan but as far as I know that is a fab it yourself part.....sad too
since it rusts out 
so bloody often.  Just like the bottom of the rear glass.

Jim
69 442 conv....
the rust on the back glass ends up in the rear end of the rocker
panels.......

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Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 14:54:05 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Vent window cranks

>From what I can tell, vent window regulators for GM from the 1040s
>to the 1960s seem to always be specific to right or left side.

Okay... my Hollander book was not helpful on this (in a quick check just now 
I could find listings for main window regulators only, not vent-window 
regulators), but GM part numbers would be conclusive either way.

>If you are saying that one turns clockwise and the other turns
>counterclockwise, I believe that's correct. They should mirror each other.
>If they both turned the "same" direction (on the spindle), they would
>actually turn in "opposing" directions in practical use because they are
>facing opposite directions.

I think we're agreeing with each other here, but this topic sure is 
confusing...

Let's say, for example, you had one vent window regulator that could be 
installed on both sides, interchangeably, and a clockwise turning of the 
crank handle would result in a clockwise (when viewed from above) rotation 
of the actuator shaft sticking out the top, attached to the bottom of the 
vent window. That would be an opening motion for the driver's-side window, 
but a closing motion for the passenger's side window.

(Pause here while we all stare off into space and try to picture it in our 
minds...)

Are we all back again now? Great. :-)  So anyway, if he's noticed that he 
has to turn the vent window cranks in opposite directions on opposite doors, 
it's possible that that's because the same regulator's in use in both doors. 
Actual part numbers (or disassembling both doors) will say if that's the 
case.

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 10:57:51 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Metal dash suppliers

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In a message dated 5/6/2004 8:42:30 AM Central Standard Time, 
droethel@rogers.com writes:
Does any list member know if there are any sheet metal suppliers that carry
metal dashes for 68-72 GM A bodies?
Looking for the metal portion from the edge of the dash pad to the
windshield from pillar to pillar.
Dan,
       I don't know of anyone that carries this part, doubt you'll find it 
new or reproduced.  I DO have this part, along with the firewall, windshield 
cowl, and front portion of the floorboard from a rust free 71 442.  I'll sell the 
whole chunk for $200, but it is alot more than you are looking for.  I can go 
to work with the acetylene cutting torch if you only want the dash part.  
I'll sell it for $100 plus shiping.  I'm in St. Louis and may deliver within a 
few hours of St. Louis for a small fee.
Thanks,
Steve D

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:05:46 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Stainless Steel Exhaust Manifold Locking Tabs

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Hi Guys,
       I took a set of exhaust manifold locking tabs and made some copies of 
them out of stainless steel.  They are exact duplicates in every way, except 
for the thickness of the metal.   Although they can be polished to a mirror 
finish, I didn't do that to them, preferring to keep them "stock" looking.  
Unlike the stock originals, these will never rust, and will outlast the originals.  
I'll sell them for about what Year One charges for their mild steel ones, 
$6.00 each.  I'll pay the shipping as well.
    I also have a couple of sets of new old stock exhaust manifold bolts and 
I'll sell them for $10/set, which is $1 each.  Shipping on them is $3.85, so 
$13.85/set delivered.
Thanks,
Steve D 

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are exact duplicates in every way, except for the thickness of the metal.&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Although they can be polished to a mirror finish, I didn't do=
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e stock originals, these will never rust, and will outlast the originals.&nb=
sp; I'll sell them for about what Year One charges for their&nbsp;mild steel=
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Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 15:50:50 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Vent window cranks

> Okay... my Hollander book was not helpful on this (in a quick check just now 
> I could find listings for main window regulators only, not vent-window 
> regulators), but GM part numbers would be conclusive either way.

I have no clue what year we're talking about here, but in my '66, '67, '68 parts
book, all the manual vent window regulators have left and right part numbers.

Paul

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:17:21 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C

At the "u-pull-its" I frequent, they just put the car up on a rack with 
the forklift, then punch holes in the tank. Sucks for anyone looking 
for a gas tank. Like myself - I need a b-body (or other rear-fill) EFI 
fuel tank to put in my to-be-EFI '70 Sports Coupe.
Yeah, I know, I could use an external pump and surge tank, but I'm a 
little bit of a perfectionist about some things...

Sooo, anyone got one? The plastic ones out of late model Caprices, etc. 
would be ideal (no rust!) Doesn't matter if it's TBI or port injected, 
the pump can be upgraded in the TBI case.

krw
On May 3, 2004, at 11:04 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 3 May 2004 15:24:18 -0400
> From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: Siphoning gas the Tim Allen way... was RE: fun with A/C
>
> That sounds like a perfect way to blow yourself up! I would not condone
> that. I was yard foreman for a salvage yard for 12 years. We would lift
> every single car up as soon as they came in, take the tank out, remove 
> the
> sending unit, and use a siphon pump that was operated by cranking with
> people power. Not one of our cars/trucks went out in the yard with a 
> gas
> tank attatched. Per order of the fire marshall and common sense.
> Pat Swanton.
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:28:02 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: looking for interior "post" trim

On May 5, 2004, at 12:06 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Tue, 4 May 2004 15:02:52 -0400
> From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
> Subject: Re: looking for interior "post" trim
>
<snip>

>  I'm looking for the
> "post" pillar molding, as in that which covers the interior of a post
> coupe's, well, um, post!  Basically, the post at the front of the rear
> seat's window.  Sorry if I'm muddling words here, I'm in confusion mode
> today!
>
> Does this pillar have a name other than "the post"?

  "B-pillar"

Interested in this myself, I don't need them now, but you never know...

On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:51:12 -0500
From: "Nick Dean" <sausageman79@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Vent window cranks

Seems possible (to my underdeveloped mind anyway) that they could easily
have used the same regulator on both side with two different mount points
(at 90 degree angles to each other) to mount the window shaft, if that makes
any sense.  Perhaps your passenger side window was removed at some point in
the open position, and reinstalled in the closed position?  Or some such
witchcraft....

Nick Dean
'72 Cutlass (no vent windows)

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 9:54 AM
Subject: RE: Vent window cranks


> >From what I can tell, vent window regulators for GM from the 1040s
> >to the 1960s seem to always be specific to right or left side.
>
> Okay... my Hollander book was not helpful on this (in a quick check just
now
> I could find listings for main window regulators only, not vent-window
> regulators), but GM part numbers would be conclusive either way.
>
> >If you are saying that one turns clockwise and the other turns
> >counterclockwise, I believe that's correct. They should mirror each
other.
> >If they both turned the "same" direction (on the spindle), they would
> >actually turn in "opposing" directions in practical use because they are
> >facing opposite directions.
>
> I think we're agreeing with each other here, but this topic sure is
> confusing...
>
> Let's say, for example, you had one vent window regulator that could be
> installed on both sides, interchangeably, and a clockwise turning of the
> crank handle would result in a clockwise (when viewed from above) rotation
> of the actuator shaft sticking out the top, attached to the bottom of the
> vent window. That would be an opening motion for the driver's-side window,
> but a closing motion for the passenger's side window.
>
> (Pause here while we all stare off into space and try to picture it in our
> minds...)
>
> Are we all back again now? Great. :-)  So anyway, if he's noticed that he
> has to turn the vent window cranks in opposite directions on opposite
doors,
> it's possible that that's because the same regulator's in use in both
doors.
> Actual part numbers (or disassembling both doors) will say if that's the
> case.
>
> -- Andy
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Mother's Day is May 9. Make it special with great ideas from the Mother's
> Day Guide! http://special.msn.com/network/04mothersday.armx
>
>

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Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 17:14:22 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?

Previously I wrote:
>I'm skeptical of additives in general (and don't even get me started
>on Slick 50 :-) but I have to admit that a can of Bar's Leak did an
>amazing (and permanent) job of sealing a hole punched in the radiator
>of my old '71 Austin America by raod debris many years ago, while I
>was on the road somewhere and needed an emergency roadside fix.

For those keeping score at home, I finally got around to adding Bar's Leak 
to the Trans Sport last night. Had to wait this long for the coolant level 
to fall low enough, after the last time I'd refilled the slowly-leaking 
(apparently from the intake manifold gasket) system, but at last the spouse 
reported that the Low Coolant light had come back on (really useful warning 
light, that thing, when it's working properly), so the time had come.

Made up a fresh batch of 50/50 DexCool (wish I'd switched to green back 
before the leak started, but that's coolant under the bridge now) and Shook 
Well the bottle of Bar's Leak per the instructions. Glopped it into the 
filler neck, and rinsed out the bottle with a cupful of fresh coolant to get 
all the last little bits of it into the radiator.

Those magical mystical metallic pellets are really strange... and the black 
goop that they're carried in is equally creepy: I had no idea that the Bar's 
Leak bottle is actually clear plastic, not black, until I'd rinsed it out 
and realized what a thorough job that liquid does of coating the insides of 
its own container.

The Bar's Leak is now in per the directions, I added another half-gallon of 
coolant to get the level back where it's supposed to be, road-tested for 
15-30 minutes, and parked it for the night. In a day or so I'll clean the 
engine again and look for leaks after that. I notice the Bar's Leak bottle 
covers its butt by suggesting that "a second application may be required," 
but at $1.87 or so per bottle, one more try if necessary won't hurt. It's 
certainly cheaper than major surgery on the engine; that's for sure.

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 17:16:49 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: looking for interior "post" trim

>>Does this pillar have a name other than "the post"?
>
>"B-pillar"
>
>Interested in this myself, I don't need them now, but you never know...

This whole discussion reminds me of the prototypes and clay models you 
sometimes see photos of when a new model is in development: It'll be a 
2-door on one side of the car but a 4-door on the other. I wonder what sort 
of sales they'd get if they actually tried _building_ some that way.  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 13:38:41 -0400
From: "Eric Holcombe" <eholcombe@engineeringservicesgroup.com>
Subject: RE: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?

I hope it works out for you Andy. I've found some people reporting the intake failure with only 40-60k miles on the motor. Many got GM to split the cost even though out of warranty. I think yours is like mine - it has lasted a little "too long" to count. I know there was an improved gasket introduced somewhere along the way, but I don't know when. I'm sure it superceded the old part number though. 

I've got mine torn down now. Damage to 2 main bearings, which plugged the oilers on three rod journals and got those bearings. I'd have approx. $400 in turning the crank and purchasing bearings/gaskets to put it back together. I've decided to buy a used motor instead and sell off remaining accessories when I'm done. Found some good advice and info here if you're interested in the V-6's: www.60degreev6.com

Eric Holcombe

<snippage>
<In a day or so I'll clean the 
<engine again and look for leaks after that. I notice the Bar's Leak bottle 
<covers its butt by suggesting that "a second application may be required," 
<but at $1.87 or so per bottle, one more try if necessary won't hurt. It's 
<certainly cheaper than major surgery on the engine; that's for sure.

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 13:34:42 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: looking for interior "post" trim

Saturn has a car with one door on one side and two on the other.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Andrew C. Green
Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 1:17 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: looking for interior "post" trim

>>Does this pillar have a name other than "the post"?
>
>"B-pillar"
>
>Interested in this myself, I don't need them now, but you never know...

This whole discussion reminds me of the prototypes and clay models you
sometimes see photos of when a new model is in development: It'll be a
2-door on one side of the car but a 4-door on the other. I wonder what sort
of sales they'd get if they actually tried _building_ some that way.  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:01:46 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?

> I know there was an improved gasket introduced somewhere along the way,
but I don't know when. I'm sure it superceded the old part number though.


Unfortunately, the improved gasket doesn't work either. Ours was replaced at
around 64K. It's now 87K and leaking again. GM doesn't care. I've already
gone around-and-around with the jerks. Ours is a '97 Pontiac Trans Sport
with the 3.4 V6.


> I've got mine torn down now. Damage to 2 main bearings, which plugged the
oilers on three rod journals and got those bearings.


Sounds like yours leaked internally like ours did. We caught it in time and
only needed a new set of lifters. Flushing with 2 oil changes of Shell
Rotella removed all of the coolant foamed oil residue.

We're now going the Bars Leak route. It might work.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 18:15:35 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Anyone have access to AllData or Olds Tech Bulletins? (Intrigue)

what year  ect. if you want it today call 732-986-6388 and i will print and scan them to you.
ron
> Anyone have access to AllData or Olds Tech Bulletins? (Intrigue)
> Hit me off list as I have a couple bulletins I want to show to a dealer when I 
> bring in my Intrigue to get some warranty work.
> - Gurgle in dash when first moving (DexCrap?!)
> - Harsh shifting (1-2 and 2-3) after being in stop & go traffic for 10-15 min 
> (Pressure sensor or some spring?)
> - wobbling drivers side rear view mirror (AalLL SssPeEeEDSsssss)
> 
> Greg, have any of these problems w/ your Intrigue?
> 'Tanks in advance
> 
> 
>  ---
> | | |  Brad Nicholson
> | | |  1987 442 & 2001 Intrigue GLS
> |/|\|  brad442@comcast.net
> | | |  mywebpages.comcast.net/brad442
>  ---

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 11:23:09 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?

Eric,

> Found some good advice and info here if you're interested in the V-6's:
www.60degreev6.com


Except I didn't see anything about the intake leak problem. Did I miss it?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:25:09 -0400
From: "Eric Holcombe" <eholcombe@engineeringservicesgroup.com>
Subject: RE: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?

<Sounds like yours leaked internally like ours did. We caught it in time and
<only needed a new set of lifters. Flushing with 2 oil changes of Shell
<Rotella removed all of the coolant foamed oil residue.


Oh, sorry to have confused you. Mine survived the intake leak fiasco. It was the stopped up
catalytic converter that killed it 2 mos. later (or maybe finished it off - who knows). Definitely leaked internally. Had used coolant a long time, like Andy's, but never enough to show itself in the oil. Finally really "broke" and sucked down coolant in a big hurry at 120k miles. Cylinders look great - no ridge. Very minimal varnishing on internals, just ruined crank/rod bearings. 

Eric Holcombe

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 14:41:22 -0400
From: "Eric Holcombe" <eholcombe@engineeringservicesgroup.com>
Subject: RE: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?

> Found some good advice and info here if you're interested in the V-6's:
>www.60degreev6.com


>Except I didn't see anything about the intake leak problem. Did I miss it?

No, the discussion (griping) on the intake leaks I found was here: www.gm-v6lemons.com  

An interesting letter from Clevite on the problem here:  http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/grech.html 


I meant that I received good info about interchange at 60degreeV6. I'm looking at a 2001 Impala engine. The only long block part that is different is the cam - specifically the triggering "lobe" (for 2000-2002). It has taken me a while to get to the bottom of that. Somewhere, somehow salvage yards have the idea that the '98 motor is "unique". In fact, '96-'99 are exactly the same. The cam trigger and injectors change for 2000-2002.  I can use the newer model engine, swap over my upper intake and fuel rails/injectors.

Eric Holcombe

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 12:48:21 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: rims for sale and parts wanted

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what are the bolt patterns of the wheels thanks in advance bear bryant
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std a-body bolt pattern from 64-72.  It fits many later years also.  And now to answer your next question.  4 3/4" bolt pattern

 
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<DIV>std a-body bolt pattern from 64-72.&nbsp; It fits many later years also.&nbsp; And now to answer your next question.&nbsp; 4 3/4" bolt pattern<BR></DIV>
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Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 20:13:30 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: '84-'86 Cutlass hood ornament wanted

Hey all,

Need some help to get out of a bind.  One of our stellar technicians snapped the hood ornament off of a customer's car today.  We thought the "lady" was
p!ssed when she had to wait 3 hours to have the belts and hoses changed - she must have really gone balistic when she noticed the ornament missing to boot!  Anyway, the victim is an '84 [non-Calais] Cutlass Supreme coupe.  Ornaments interchange between '84, '85 and '86.  Apparently sedans are different from coupes.  Naturally Cutlass Calais and Diesels do not interchange.

New ornaments are still available from GM, but at a cost that dealership does not want to obsorb, so I have been assigned the task of finding a used one.  I have never heard of anything so ridiculous.  Well, ok, I probably have.  Welcome to the dealership world.  Anyway, before I start making a fool out of myself by calling the local salvage yards (I can hear them laughing already...), I thought I'd hit the list and see if someone (are you listening, Mr. Witt???) might have a dead Supreme laying around that would be willing to donate it's hood ornament for transplantation (for cheap - or maybe even free!).

Look forward to hearing from you!  I might even get a bonus (NOT!).

Thanks,

Paul

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 13:16:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Vent window cranks

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>From what I can tell, vent window regulators for GM from the 1040s to 
the
1960s seem to always be specific to right or left side.
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Yep, thats correct.  Although it also includes 70-72 as there were still post coupe cars built in the early 70s
 
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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 16:44:18 -0400
From: "Eric Holcombe" <eholcombe@engineeringservicesgroup.com>
Subject: RE: '84-'86 Cutlass hood ornament wanted

< Welcome to the dealership world.  Anyway, before I start making a fool out of myself by calling the local salvage yards (I <can hear them laughing already...), I thought I'd hit the list and see if someone (are you listening, Mr. Witt???) might <have a dead Supreme laying around that would be willing to donate it's hood ornament for transplantation (for cheap - or <maybe even free!).

I feel your pain Paul. I realize the "Parts" and "Service" depts. are sort of separate entities/businesses within the dealership - but I don't sympathize. The "Service" side always seems more than content with charging me the "Parts" side 67% markup. If they really want to operate as a separate business, they would buy at some price below what I pay at GMPartsDirect (or similar vendor). Why do they continue to pay so much for "their" parts? I don't. Bought my last hood ornament used on eVil.

Eric Holcombe

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 16:59:41 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: '74 and '81 Cutlass hood/front pannel ornaments wanted

Ha! Happens in the US as well? Unbelievable.... :-) emblems missing?!
I will jump at the occasion to ask about 2 parts for my Oldses:
1. 74 CS, front vertical plate witj a Rocket, was on the red backround - I
fixed it with bolts AND glued it with epoxy - and some jerkoi managed to
still it.
2. 81 CS the front emblem, vertically sticking out from the hood, was fixed
with some sort of spring insdie the hood... gone as well.. well, could be
tha same for the 74 as well, she never had one since I have her ( already 10
yrs! )
rgds
Matt

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Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 17:09:50 -0400
From: Gene Gatti <64f-85@comcast.net>
Subject: Official Date of Last Olds Produced

Hi Guys,
    What was the date when the last Oldsmobile came off the assembly 
line? Was it April 29th? I sold my '64 Cutlass to a guy in Massachusetts 
and he wants me to date the bill of sale for that day. Pretty nostagic, no?
Thanks,
Gene

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 17:35:36 -0400
From: "Jay Britt" <jbritt67@mindspring.com>
Subject: OldsmobileForums.com

Has anyone looked at www.oldsmobileforums.com ?. It's new and mostly geared
to late model cars, such as Aurora, Alero and Intrigue. There are a few
'64-72 A body owners signed up so far. Check it out and see what you think.

Jay Britt
OCA#29460
67 Cutlass Supreme Holiday Coupe
99 Dodge Ram 1500 Quad Cab
http://jbritt67.home.mindspring.com

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Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 22:03:25 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Official Date of Last Olds Produced

>What was the date when the last Oldsmobile came off the assembly line? Was 
>it April 29th?

That's correct. This link here:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-ap-oldsmobiles-end,1,3394367.story

will take you to a (currently free) story about it. (Once it drops into the 
Tribune archives after somewhere between 1-4 weeks, you'll have to pay to 
retrieve it, so snag a copy now if you want to keep it.)

If the link above wraps badly on your screen, this shorter version will take 
you to the same place:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?E2BD11B38

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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 20:00:26 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: RE: '84-'86 Cutlass hood ornament wanted

That service tech must be dating the dealership owner's daughter... I'd
say "sorry, no luck" and order a new one for the old gal.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 20:07:25 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Anyone have access to AllData or Olds Tech Bulletins? (Intrigue)

On Thu, 6 May 2004 brad442@comcast.net wrote:
> Anyone have access to AllData or Olds Tech Bulletins? (Intrigue)
> Hit me off list as I have a couple bulletins I want to show to a dealer when I bring in my Intrigue to get some warranty work.
> - Gurgle in dash when first moving (DexCrap?!)

Bill mentioned something other than a gurgle when first starting. I
believe that's the self-test for the ABS. I have that too but assume it's
the ABS.

> - Harsh shifting (1-2 and 2-3) after being in stop & go traffic for 10-15 min (Pressure sensor or some spring?)
> - wobbling drivers side rear view mirror (AalLL SssPeEeEDSsssss)

Nada on either of those. The black plastic on the mirrors was getting a
little chalky but some Meguiars plastic polish cured that.

Mine's been trouble-free so far. The only thing is a recent vibration in
the brake system (rotor warp) that started suspiciously soon after I had
the dealer rotate the tires. I watched the guy use an air wrench on the
lugs but assumed he had a torque stick. Apparently not. I hope rotors are
covered under warranty. Other than that, great car. It had it's 2-year
build date anniversary this month, was made near the end of the production
run which stopped in June. By then they finally got it right.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Thu, 6 May 2004 17:17:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: kenneth treharn <kwt_1950@yahoo.com>
Subject: New member to the stable, 1966 Dynamic 88 convertible

Hello List   I couldn't control myself, I bought
another Olds off Ebay. The car was only 10 miles away.
I looked it over before the auction ended. Very solid
body, floors and clean frame. It was too nice to past
on, one doesn't come across cars this rust-free in
Ohio. It needs a lot of work, brakes, interior, trans
bad, windshield and new top plus pump motor. It has a
1971 Ga 455 engine, suppose to run. I have three other
1966 4-door Delta's, one a driver, one a running
complete car, and one engine less parts car so I have
probably everything I will need. I will store it till
I get the time, if ever.  So many projects, so little
time.  That is 3 convertibles, 1968 Delmont, 1971
Delta, I have now, I am running out of room. I will
have to build another building soon. My friends think
I am nuts for all the Olds I drag home but I tell
them, they are my retirement because they don't make
them anymore. Later, Ken


	
		
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Date: Thu, 06 May 2004 17:28:07 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: RE: Vent window cranks

Yup,
Clockwise (while staring blindly at the crank handle) will open either side 
vent window.  I thought it unusual (if I thought at all) as the main window 
regulators (both front and rear) rotate in opposite directions  (ie: 
rotates the same direction as the tires when driving forward) to roll down 
the windows.

M

At 02:54 PM 5/6/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> From what I can tell, vent window regulators for GM from the 1040s
>>to the 1960s seem to always be specific to right or left side.
>
>Okay... my Hollander book was not helpful on this (in a quick check just 
>now I could find listings for main window regulators only, not vent-window 
>regulators), but GM part numbers would be conclusive either way.
>
>>If you are saying that one turns clockwise and the other turns
>>counterclockwise, I believe that's correct. They should mirror each other.
>>If they both turned the "same" direction (on the spindle), they would
>>actually turn in "opposing" directions in practical use because they are
>>facing opposite directions.
>
>I think we're agreeing with each other here, but this topic sure is 
>confusing...
>
>Let's say, for example, you had one vent window regulator that could be 
>installed on both sides, interchangeably, and a clockwise turning of the 
>crank handle would result in a clockwise (when viewed from above) rotation 
>of the actuator shaft sticking out the top, attached to the bottom of the 
>vent window. That would be an opening motion for the driver's-side window, 
>but a closing motion for the passenger's side window.
>
>(Pause here while we all stare off into space and try to picture it in our 
>minds...)
>
>Are we all back again now? Great. :-)  So anyway, if he's noticed that he 
>has to turn the vent window cranks in opposite directions on opposite 
>doors, it's possible that that's because the same regulator's in use in 
>both doors. Actual part numbers (or disassembling both doors) will say if 
>that's the case.
>
>-- Andy
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