
oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, March 21 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4825



Re: Looking for neighbors
Re: Looking for neighbors
Re: looking for 1970  magizine
Re: Lead additive/Non hardened seats
Re: Looking for neighbors
Re: Looking for neighbors
Re: Looking for neighbors
Re: looking for 1970  magizine
Re: 65 442 Question

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:57:44 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for neighbors

I should have scrolled down to this message....
I moved from North Smithfield RI 2 years ago. You probably are familiar with
Woonsocket. Do you have any '78 Cutlass parts? I have to come down soon to
get my other '78.
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From: <S61starfir@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 11:47 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for neighbors


> In a message dated 3/20/2004 9:16:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> goodfoot@ix.netcom.com writes:
>
> I just moved to Atlanta from Boston, does anybody on this list happen to
> be local.
> Just curious
> I am in Rumford RI just outside Providence, about 40 mi from Boston. I
have a
> warehouse full of Olds parts, what year are you into
>
> Everett    OCA# 1961     1961 Starfire
>
> E & G Automotive
> 9 Newman Ave
> Rumford, RI 02916
> 1-401-435-7139
>

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 09:25:56 -0500
From: "Peter Berusch" <Berusch@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for neighbors

  I'm in Lawrenceville.  What part of The ATL are you in ?  Dixie Olds is
pretty active here.  Email to dixieolds@hotmail.com .  The annual BOP&C show
is April 17th at Dave and Busters in Marietta.  Pronounced Mayretta.  It's a
good time show.  The Buick club is sponsoring this year.

Peter


> Guys
>
>  I just moved to Atlanta from Boston, does anybody on this list happen to
> be local.
> Just curious
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:16:22 -0500
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: looking for 1970  magizine

Ron...I found those mags but I only have back to '74. I have a couple
differant mags....Hot Rod...Car Craft....But not that far back....It must
have been pre-car the yr you wanted...sorry. I was into another type of
horse power before about '74....LOL

Now I can afford both kind!!

Good luck....

Tami

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:38:25 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Lead additive/Non hardened seats

Randy,

> The 371 has no hardened seats,the label on Additive reads MUST be used in
every tank.
> I Did use it when i first got her going,but have been lazy to add every
tank.


Naughty.


> Label reads as if more damage could happen if you dont use it consistent?


It certainly can.


> To me you are just not protecting valves as well when not using
additive,,,,or am i still failing Chem. class?


The additive only works when it's present in the gas. Tetra-ethyl lead had
some buildup and long term affects, but tetra-ethyl lead is banned. The
current additives are something else. Even a quart of Marvel Mystery Oil in
each gas tank will protect the valves, but that would get expensive.


> Can you use to much of this additive if my measuements are not absolutely
correct?


You can, like Casite CD-2. Too much will simply foul the plugs, that's all.


> Wonder how well my valves are going to hold up for how long?


Continuous use of lead substitute in the gas should make the valves last as
long as if tetra-ethyl lead was still being used in the gas.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 10:59:25 -0500
From: "Sherman Higgins" <goodfoot@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for neighbors

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I have a 1965 442, and I'm looking for a carburetor I think it's a 4mg


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Sent: 3/20/2004 11:47:27 PM 
Subject: Re: Looking for neighbors


In a message dated 3/20/2004 9:16:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, goodfoot@ix.netcom.com writes:

I just moved to Atlanta from Boston, does anybody on this list happen to
be local.
Just curious
I am in Rumford RI just outside Providence, about 40 mi from Boston. I have a warehouse full of Olds parts, what year are you into

Everett    OCA# 1961     1961 Starfire

E & G Automotive
9 Newman Ave
Rumford, RI 02916
1-401-435-7139
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:04:21 -0500
From: "Sherman Higgins" <goodfoot@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for neighbors

I'm living in Kennesaw, and I think I did hear about that show and planned
on going.

Sherman


> [Original Message]
> From: Peter Berusch <Berusch@mindspring.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Date: 3/21/2004 9:23:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Looking for neighbors
>
>
>   I'm in Lawrenceville.  What part of The ATL are you in ?  Dixie Olds is
> pretty active here.  Email to dixieolds@hotmail.com .  The annual BOP&C
show
> is April 17th at Dave and Busters in Marietta.  Pronounced Mayretta. 
It's a
> good time show.  The Buick club is sponsoring this year.
>
> Peter
>
>
> > Guys
> >
> >  I just moved to Atlanta from Boston, does anybody on this list happen
to
> > be local.
> > Just curious
> >
> >
> >

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:08:52 -0500
From: "Sherman Higgins" <goodfoot@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Re: Looking for neighbors

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Where do you usually meet, and would you mind me crashing the party?


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Subject: Re: Looking for neighbors


I'm near Stn Mtn, and we have a local club that get's together at least once a month.

James
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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:22:21 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: looking for 1970  magizine

  THANKS ANYWAY.
  BUT  AS YOU KNOW THE ONLY  TRUE  CAR  IS A OLDS
  LOL 
  TAKE CARE 
  RON
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2004 10:16 AM
  Subject: Re: looking for 1970 magizine


  > Ron...I found those mags but I only have back to '74. I have a couple
  > differant mags....Hot Rod...Car Craft....But not that far back....It must
  > have been pre-car the yr you wanted...sorry. I was into another type of
  > horse power before about '74....LOL
  > 
  > Now I can afford both kind!!
  > 
  > Good luck....
  > 
  > Tami
  > 
  > 
  > 

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 11:27:33 -0800
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: Re: 65 442 Question

Well, I was looking through a 1965 Dealer Prices options, and came across
this "OLDSMOBILE MARKETING BULLETIN" dated 2-5-65 that may answer this
question:

M14 - Heavy Duty 3-Speed Floor Shift
- ------------------------------------
This is a heavy duty, fully synchronized, 3-speed floor shift transmission
with Hurst shift linkage.  It gives the driver a more positive "feel" when
shifting gears.  Available starting approximately March 1 as a factory
installed option with 4-4-2 (W29) only.  Prices on M14 are as follows


						Dealer	List
						Net Price	Price
E.O.H
M14 HD 3-Speed Floor Shift 		$30.40	$40.00	$3.04


...So that might answer the question. If you car was built after March 1st
it was very likely optioned with a 3-speed floor shift. 

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:31:42 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: 65 442 Question

> > The question I have is about the trans.  It's a 3 on the
> > floor.
> > 
> > Was this ever offered? 

Got some more information on this.  It's from the "'65 Automotive Examiner",
a part of the '65 Olds Product Selling Information showroom manual.  Issue
#36 deals with a comparison between the 4-4-2 and the Buick Skylark Gran
Sport.  It sez:

"To give every driver the combination of performance and economy he wants,
the 4-4-2 features four transmissions: the standard column-shift three-speed
fully synchronized manual; the three-speed fully synchronized manual floor
shift with Hurst shifter (available about March 1); the four-speed close
ratio fully synchronized manual floor shift; or the special duty Jetaway -
column or optional floor shift. 

Buick's Gran Sport offers only three choices: Standard three-speed and
optional four-speed transmissions (both fully synchronized) and Super
Turbine 300 automatic.  All shift are floor mounted."

This issue also sez:

"4-4-2's optional sports console includes an illuminated tachometer at no 
additional cost."

Paul

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:25:01 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!

> I'll take minimum anarchy over the too heavily gov't controlled world
> anyday.


So would I, when it's personal and face-to-face. That way, if someone
doesn't live up to his part of the bargain, you can call him out on it, and
he can't hide from you.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:31:08 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!

i should not respond untile hang over goes away, 
 ron
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From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!


> Ron,
> 
> 
> > where did you getbthat from.
> > never heard of it oiling one side. please explain
> > ron
> 
> 
> Chris Witt didn't say that. He was responding to the idiot "Dan" on the
> rip-off eBay ad, and being his usual wonderful sarcastic self.
> 
> 
> > >
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33732&item
> =2467205995
> 
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 15:38:05 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!

not true  on any engine i pre oiled with home made tool i had 45 psi and
higher when primeing  it
ron
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From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
To: "Oldsmobile-Digest" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!


> I took an old distributor and removed the gear. I spent about 15 minutes
> with a file, and made a 1/4" square on the bottom of the shaft. I then
> put a 5/16" socket on the square. Took a very small drill, and drilled
> thru the socket and shaft, and knocked in the appropriate roll pin.
> Insert distributor, and spin the shaft on top with a reversible drill.
> Perfect oil primer tool!
> 
> BTW, if you do not use a distributor body, there will not be good oil
> pressure. The distributor body is a channel for the oil.
> 
> 
> Paul Tumolo
> 1970 442 hardtop
> OCA # 31967
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:51:48 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!

> BTW, if you do not use a distributor body, there will not be good oil
> pressure. The distributor body is a channel for the oil.


Paul, no it isn't. Look either in the oil diagram for the block in a shop
manual or in a bare block. There is nothing in the distributor housing hole
except a solid wall. The distributor housing has nothing to do with the oil
system. The lifter galleys get their oil from #1 main bearing. One lifter
galley has a squirter in an end plug to lube the distributor gear. That, and
spinning the oil pump, is all the distributor has to do with the oil system.

One simply can't have the distributor body interfacing with an oil passage.
There's no way to form a pressure seal. It would leak like a sieve.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:55:35 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!

That's okay. :-)



> i should not respond untile hang over goes away,
>  ron


Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 14:47:34 -0800
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: WANTED: Single Speed wiper switch for '65 442

During the process of restoring the dash, I managed to break the
single-speed wiper switch in my 65 442. I *thought* I found one on e-bay but
the length of the knob that turns the switch is too short. I can't seem to
locate another one on e-bay.

Anyone have any suggestions or ideas?

Thanks!

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:05:51 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: 7040251 on $bay

Hey List,

        I just posted a 7040251 On $bay if anyone is looking
for a carb.


The General       patton442@verizon.net

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 18:16:36 -0600
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: RE: 65 442 Question

Very Interesting.

>Floor-shift 3-speed synchromesh transmission: Available in all
Vista-Cruisers and F-85
>models."

I'm reading that statement as the whole A-body model line, not just the
F-85.  The car I'm looking at is a 3867, Cutlass Convt base so I guess the 3
on the floor was possible.  Also, I'm taking the 4V stamped on the body tag
as the be-all-end-all of 65 4-4-2 authentication, is this correct?

Thanks for all the great info, I need to find some of that old literature,
very helpful.  Have you thought about contributing that bit of info to
442.com's faq?  It might save future ignoramuses like me from asking
something similar.

Thanks
Eric

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:21:17 -0500
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: 65 442 Question

Hi Al, hope your restoration is going well.
For *Lansing built* cars, the 4V is proof that the car is an original 442.
You are also a bit confused with the 3-speed issue here.  The 442 was an
option.  The M12 was an option available on any Cutlass/F-85.  It was
available with, but not part of, the 442 option.


Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '99 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Albert Penello
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:32 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: 65 442 Question
>
>
> My '65 is a 4-speed, but one thing to consider is that the 3 and 4 speed
> floor consoles are the same. If it was a 4-spd car, they would
> have drilled
> holes in the 3-spd pattern and placed a plate on top with the
> 4-spd pattern.
>
> You can get these 4-speed plates reproduced from The Parts Place.
>
> I would guess that besides making sure you have all the correct emblems
> (side "wing" emblems, rear tail panel, dash and grille), 2 other
> things that
> I believe are unique to factory 442 cars is the fuel line and the boxed
> control arms. Check your rear control arms to make sure they are boxed.
> Also, the 442 cars had a larger fuel line (5/8ths?) - can't
> remember exactly
> but someone on the list must know.
>
> The Oldsmobile ID book I have shows RPO code M12 for 3-spd floor shift in
> '65. But it doesn't specify if that was or wasn't available with the 442
> option.
>
> Finally, I was looking through some of the old '65 literature I
> have, and in
> no place does it mention a 3-speed floor shift available on 442. According
> to everything I've been able to dig up, the standard transmission was a
> 3-spd column, with optional 4-spd FLOOR with or without console, and 2-spd
> auto either floor or column shift.
>
> So, either you have something rare, or something unusual is going on.
>
> ------------------------------
> Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:19:01 -0600
> From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
> Subject: 65 442 Question
>
> I'm looking at a 65 442 and have a couple quick questions.  I've visited
> 442.com and other sites and I'm fairly sure the car I'm looking at is an
> original 442.  It has the 4V on the body tag and the correct
> casting number
> on the block.  The question I have is about the trans.  It's a 3 on the
> floor.
>
> Was this ever offered?  On one of the pages I saw there were 90
> 3-on-the-trees offered but no mention of a 3 on the floor.  The
> console even
> has a 3-speed marking:
>
> R 2
> |-|
> 1 3
>
> The console also doesn't have a gage on it.  Did all 442s have the gage at
> the top of the console?  Was this a console from a Cutlass or did someone
> replace the 4 speed shift pattern markings with that from a 3-speed?  The
> owner says the shift linkage doesn't work very well for 2nd gear
> which also
> makes me think it's not original.  He also has an M-21 which he's throwing
> in so I guess if that not the original tranny I'd toss the M-21 in it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks
>
> ------------------------------
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 19:22:05 -0500
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: Can anyone tell me what this piece of paper means?

What you've got is are "broadcast codes".  These are the numbers that
correlate to the exact build of the car, and differ from the RPO option
codes.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '99 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Albert Penello
> Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 11:52 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Can anyone tell me what this piece of paper means?
>
>
> During the process of putting new covers on the seats of the 1965 442 I'm
> restoring, I found a piece of paper stapled underneath the drivers seat.
>
> Since this is my dad's car and he's the original owner, I assume
> this is an
> original document. It looks like an RPO listing, but I can't find any of
> these codes. There are also some other funny numbers. I'm hoping
> someone on
> the list can tell me what this is and what the numbers might mean. It's a
> hand-written piece of paper, FYI.
>
> (566) (this number is circled) 33837 7225
> 957 A49 - A50
> B12 - B16 - B30
> B50 - B52 - D15
>
> D
>
> 32 - D55 - M21
> V80 -
>
> That's it. Any ideas?
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 20:36:05 -0500
From: "Kurt Heinrich" <old442@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Shoulder harness for 72 Cutlass Conv't

Many years ago I had a '72 Supreme h/t.  The shoulder harness had a stud on
the buckle that attached to the main lap belt in a keyhole slot.  This way
you could leave the shoulder harness attached and only have to pull one
belt, similar to todays cars.  Not sure if the converts had the same setup
or not.

Kurt Heinrich
'71 442
'95 Aurora
old442@adelphia.net


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From: "Brett" <estiaat@yahoo.com>
To: "Olds List" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 12:32 AM
Subject: Shoulder harness for 72 Cutlass Conv't


> Hi all,
>
> I have a 72 Cutlass Supreme convertible in which I have evidence that it
> originally had front seat shoulder harnesses.  I am interested in
replacing
> them.  I have info on the 71 convertible harnesses (thanks Steve).  I
> understand there are differences between the 72s and earlier setups.  I
have
> heard several stories on those differences.  Some say that the 72s used
> different size buckles, or a unique setup where the harness belt was
captured
> somehow within the seat belt buckle setup.  I also heard they were mounted
> reversed from the earlier ones (buckle and tang locations were reversed).
I am
> very interested in finding out the truth on this.
>
> Does anybody have a 72 with factory shoulder belts?  Can you please
outline, or
> better yet, photograph it?   How about any literature for the 72's.  The
> manuals do not even menion the harnesses.  Also, if anybody knows, can I
get
> buckles and tangs from other cars from a junkyard or swap meet?  If so,
which
> years and models?  By the way, my belts are the deluxe ones with chrome
> buckles.
>
> Any insight you all can provide would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Brett Chaveriat
> estiaat@yahoo.com
> 72 Cutlass Supreme Convertible - Radiant Green
>
>
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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 21:13:49 -0500
From: "sherman f higgins" <goodfoot@ix.netcom.com>
Subject: Looking for neighbors

Guys 

 I just moved to Atlanta from Boston, does anybody on this list happen to
be local.
Just curious

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:01:38 -0500
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: 65 442 Question

Yes, Eric, presuming it its a Lansing built car, your 4V does authenticate
it as a 442.  It should quite obvious from all of this that the literature
put out at the time varied quite a bit.  This was not an exact science. And
things changed during the model year, too. You can't trust *everything* you
see and read.  Two good examples:  The '65 Olds Body Illustrations catalog
shows a 4-dr Cutlass with a 442 emblem on the side.  I've also seen a '65
442 with B-heads.  Yes, definitely original.
And there are always the "exceptions" to deal with.  The factories didn't
make it a point to keep track of things.  Their job was to get cars out the
door, not document what they did.  It does provide quite a challenge to us
now to put this information we want together.
And to document it for the future.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '99 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Eric Beaupre
> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 7:17 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: 65 442 Question
>
>
> Very Interesting.
>
> >Floor-shift 3-speed synchromesh transmission: Available in all
> Vista-Cruisers and F-85
> >models."
>
> I'm reading that statement as the whole A-body model line, not just the
> F-85.  The car I'm looking at is a 3867, Cutlass Convt base so I
> guess the 3
> on the floor was possible.  Also, I'm taking the 4V stamped on
> the body tag
> as the be-all-end-all of 65 4-4-2 authentication, is this correct?
>
> Thanks for all the great info, I need to find some of that old literature,
> very helpful.  Have you thought about contributing that bit of info to
> 442.com's faq?  It might save future ignoramuses like me from asking
> something similar.
>
> Thanks
> Eric
>
>

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:51:20 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!

Listmembers,

Brand C engines do actually need the housing in place, from what my 
"roundy-round" friends have told me.  More than one has an old distributor
they've 
fashioned into an O/P primer by grinding off the teeth on the gear and
cutting off 
the top parts, leaving a top part you chuck into the drill.

I'd have to see a drawing of the Brand C engine to be sure this is legit.  
Remember, they're dealing with (essentially) the same design they came out
with 
in the mid-50's.......

Take Care,
Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas (for now.......)

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 23:47:08 EST
From: S61starfir@aol.com
Subject: Re: Looking for neighbors

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In a message dated 3/20/2004 9:16:20 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
goodfoot@ix.netcom.com writes:

I just moved to Atlanta from Boston, does anybody on this list happen to
be local.
Just curious
I am in Rumford RI just outside Providence, about 40 mi from Boston. I have
a 
warehouse full of Olds parts, what year are you into

Everett    OCA# 1961     1961 Starfire

E & G Automotive
9 Newman Ave
Rumford, RI 02916
1-401-435-7139

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 23:50:32 EST
From: James244@aol.com
Subject: Re: Looking for neighbors

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I'm near Stn Mtn, and we have a local club that get's together at least once

a month.

James

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 23:56:51 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Looking for neighbors

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In a message dated 3/20/2004 11:50:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
S61starfir@aol.com writes:

I just moved to Atlanta from Boston, does anybody on this list happen to
be local.
Just curious
I am in Rumford RI just outside Providence, about 40 mi from Boston. I have
a 
warehouse full of Olds parts, what year are you into
Hey Everett,  think you gots it backwards,  he left Boston.  

 Must have been a long day????

Vinny
68 H/O

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Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 22:10:44 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!

> Brand C engines do actually need the housing in place, from what my
> "roundy-round" friends have told me.
> I'd have to see a drawing of the Brand C engine to be sure this is legit.


Ken, I'm with you. I'd have to have that statement proved to me. To have an
oil passage enter the block bore for the distributor, and then expect the
distributor housing to do something to block or alter oil flow, is insane
incompetent engineering. There's no way the distributor housing can control
pressurized oil flow in an oil passage. A Chevy distributor housing doesn't
even use an O-ring like an Olds distributor housing. It's complete insanity.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:09:15 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!

  what can i say weddings are just so much i only awake with hang over he
awakes to the fact he is
now married
  lol.
  ron
   ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 3:55 PM
  Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!


  > That's okay. :-)
  >
  >
  >
  > > i should not respond untile hang over goes away,
  > >  ron
  >
  >
  > Milton Schick
  > 1964 442 Cutlass
  > imp@theriver.com
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:14:49 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <oldsmagnet@oldsmagnet.com>
Subject: Re: "Proper" OP Priming Tool!

> what can i say weddings are just so much i only awake with hang over he
> awakes to the fact he is now married

LOL - no doubt!  Marriage, it's not just a word, it's a sentence!  <j/k>  I 
just DJ'd a good friend's wedding reception tonight, coincidentally enough.

Back to the C-type disty op primers - the one's ~I've~ seen for the brand 
C's are there because it's such a pain in the *** to keep a flat-slot 
screwdriver bit centerred in the drill.  Whereas ~we~ can just use a socket 
and be perfectly fine with it.

And I'll jump on the bandwagon, too, all holes I've seen ~have~ been lubed, 
but only with a spithole.  We primed up a Caddy 500 without dist in place. 
  NEEDED a drill (where I've done some with a speed-ratchet successuflly) - 
this one has the oil pump pickup toooo far away from the pump, needed the 
speed of a drill.  Had good pressure with dist out.
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=/   http://oldsmagnet.com   \===========/         Oldsmobile        \=
|  mailto:442@oldsmagnet.com  |=========|         1897 -- 2004        |
=\ Charley Buehner Sidney MT /===========\      Shot In The Back     /=

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 03:20:05 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: Lead additive/Non hardened seats

Hello
The 371 has no hardened seats,the label on Additive reads MUST be used in
every tank.
I Did use it when i first got her going,but have been lazy to add every
tank.
Label reads as if more damage could happen if you dont use it consistent?
To me you are just not protecting valves as well when not using
additive,,,,or am i still failing Chem. class?
Can you use to much of this additive if my measuements are not absolutely
correct?
Wonder how well my valves are going to hold up for how long?
I dont tow...but she is WOT  most times :)
Was a beauty day on the west coast.
Randy H.



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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 06:09:08 -0500
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: Lead additive/Non hardened seats

Randy Hermsen wrote:

> Hello
> The 371 has no hardened seats,the label on Additive reads MUST be used in
every tank.
> I Did use it when i first got her going,but have been lazy to add every
tank.
> Label reads as if more damage could happen if you dont use it consistent?
> To me you are just not protecting valves as well when not using
additive,,,,or am i still failing Chem. class?
> Can you use to much of this additive if my measuements are not absolutely
correct?
> Wonder how well my valves are going to hold up for how long?
> I dont tow...but she is WOT  most times :)
> Was a beauty day on the west coast.
> Randy H.
> 
> 
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Hi Randy
    This has been argued a good bit. I personally do not run my older 
engines without lead additive. The valve seats need the lead IMHO.
The stuff I use is called CD2 availabe at any walmart and uses one ounce 
per 10 gallons of gas. It comes in a dispenser bottle so measuring the 
one ounce is really easy. I suggest you motivate yourself to use it or 
something like it. Or find time to pull heads sooner or later
LOL
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 08:53:25 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Looking for neighbors

I think I want to refer to Everett?
I live in NH now,  but grew up in North Smithfield RI, You probably know
Woonsocket, and I go back to RI all the time to visit. Do you have any '78
Cutlass parts?
I have to go back down this spring to get my other '78.

Pat.
- - ----- Original Message -----
From: <HURSTOLDZ@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: Looking for neighbors


> In a message dated 3/20/2004 11:50:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
> S61starfir@aol.com writes:
>
> I just moved to Atlanta from Boston, does anybody on this list happen to
> be local.
> Just curious
> I am in Rumford RI just outside Providence, about 40 mi from Boston. I
have a
> warehouse full of Olds parts, what year are you into
> Hey Everett,  think you gots it backwards,  he left Boston.
>
>  Must have been a long day????
>
> Vinny
> 68 H/O
>

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