
oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, March 30 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4836



RE: Effects of milling an intake manifold?
New Oldsmo pad
under bumper scoop template?
Re: New Oldsmo pad
Re: under bumper scoop template?
Re: Effects of milling an intake manifold?
Front sway bar bushings
Re: New Oldsmo pad
86 CS on MTV video/thank you
RE: under bumper scoop template?
WTD: 71 Cutlass 350 Lower Radiator HOSE
Re: Effects of milling an intake manifold?
Re: 71 Cutlass 350 Lower Radiator HOSE
Re: Effects of milling an intake manifold?
Re: Effects of milling an intake manifold?
67 Olds 442  SS1's
1964  Olds  cutlass parts
Old Calendars are sold
Re: Engle Cam Websight?
Re: Engle Cam Websight?
Re: Front sway bar bushings
RE: Dash questions
Re: 71 Cutlass 350 Lower Radiator HOSE
68 442 H/O parts
More Dyno Stuff
RE: Effects of milling an intake manifold?
piston rings rotate?
RE: More Dyno Stuff
Re: Rollin' in my Cutty
RE: More Dyno Stuff
Re: piston rings rotate?
Dealing with Generous Motors
Re: 71 Cutlass 350 Lower Radiator HOSE
Re: piston rings rotate?
Re: Rollin' in my Cutty
Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:30:10 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: RE: Effects of milling an intake manifold?

"Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com> wrote:

>I purchased and installed an Edelbrock Performer 455 manifold for my 1965
>442. Come to find out, it's not going to fit under my hood. I measured the
>difference between the Edelbrock and stock and I'm going to have to have
>15mm milled off the intake for it to fit. Modifying the hood is not an
>option.
>
>Anyone know if I should be worried about milling an intake that much? What
>would the performance difference be? I still like the manifold and the
>weight savings is worth it but I don't want to damage anything.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Hello Albert
Can you shim the hood up a bit(1/4"?) with spacers where the hinges meet?
And adjust the frt stops and latch higher also?
If you dont mind the hood lines up a bit this would work.
Dont cut the hood is a good move.
I had to hillbilly the hood up on  the 58 recent

  http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1077648975124_0228_006.jpg
 
  http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1077330185609_0313_001.jpg 

With 1/2 inch spacers under carbs(not stock) and 3 inch tall KNs filters this was my only choice.
I would imagin the alum intake you have is a huge weight saver and the extra hieght would give more torque....i would not plane it down.
What cleaner(stock?) and filter size are you useing?
To be sure of what hieght i needed i put silly putty on the frt and back edges or where ever the cleaner would look like it would contact hood and shut it and measure silly putty like plastigauge. to determine the clearance you have.
Good luck!
Randy H.
Maple Ridge B.C.

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:36:36 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: New Oldsmo pad

Hello
The new house has space for 3 cars indoors and 3 outdoors under cover :)
With even more outdoor space.
And rv space!
Check it out!
 http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1080033237003_0329_010.jpg 
 http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1078932327138_0329_001.jpg 
 http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1080035360334_0329_004.jpg 
 http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1079659862704_0329_012.jpg 
Lets see...level back area and fence other side.....open up doors into shop area like they were orig.
And make doors for the other 2 outdoor carports.
Man am i tickled pink!
Randy H.
Maple Ridge B.C.


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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 23:54:51 -0700
From: "Tom Atencio" <tom442@comcast.net>
Subject: under bumper scoop template?

Hello list,
Does anyone have a template? picture? or dimensions of where the holes are
cut in the plastic inner fender on a 68 442 for the under bumper scoops?
obviously on the flat front part...would like to get the specifics. Thanks.
Tom Atencio
Denver
68 442 convt slowly but surely coming along
70 F85

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:27:39 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: New Oldsmo pad

Neat!

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Randy Hermsen" <Cutlass7276@netscape.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 11:36 PM
Subject: New Oldsmo pad


> Hello
> The new house has space for 3 cars indoors and 3 outdoors under cover :)
> With even more outdoor space.
> And rv space!
> Check it out!
>  http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1080033237003_0329_010.jpg
>  http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1078932327138_0329_001.jpg
>  http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1080035360334_0329_004.jpg
>  http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1079659862704_0329_012.jpg
> Lets see...level back area and fence other side.....open up doors into
shop area like they were orig.
> And make doors for the other 2 outdoor carports.
> Man am i tickled pink!
> Randy H.
> Maple Ridge B.C.
>
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 08:18:53 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: under bumper scoop template?

  a 1968 assembly manual would have that info
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Tom Atencio" <tom442@comcast.net>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:54 AM
  Subject: under bumper scoop template?


  > Hello list,
  > Does anyone have a template? picture? or dimensions of where the holes are
  > cut in the plastic inner fender on a 68 442 for the under bumper scoops?
  > obviously on the flat front part...would like to get the specifics. Thanks.
  > Tom Atencio
  > Denver
  > 68 442 convt slowly but surely coming along
  > 70 F85
  > 

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:33:52 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Effects of milling an intake manifold?

Couldn't you mill just the top of it? Or us a dropped down air filter base?
Matt>
> >I purchased and installed an Edelbrock Performer 455 manifold for my 1965
> >442. Come to find out, it's not going to fit under my hood. I measured
the
> >difference between the Edelbrock and stock and I'm going to have to have
> >15mm milled off the intake for it to fit. Modifying the hood is not an
> >option.
> >
> >Anyone know if I should be worried about milling an intake that much?
What
> >would the performance difference be? I still like the manifold and the
> >weight savings is worth it but I don't want to damage anything.

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 07:35:40 -0600
From: "Clark, Pat" <PClark@Ignition.com>
Subject: Front sway bar bushings

I ordered a front end kit for the 69 442 from PST Suspensions last week and
they shipped 1" sway bar bushings with it. My sway bar measures 0.965". Is
this the wrong bushing or will it work? 

Thanks,

Pat Clark
IGNITION INC.
P 972-516-8700
F 972-516-8690

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 06:21:01 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: New Oldsmo pad

Great news Randy!

Did you buy?

You know, I'm disappointed that you didn't call for moving assistance.  I'd have been there for ya'

Hit me off line if you wish kcolund@shaw.ca

Kevin 

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:39:36 -0500
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: 86 CS on MTV video/thank you

Thank you to those who replied to my option code questions - good info!

And as promised, although probably not heavily anticipated, here's the whole
MTV "Pimp My Ride" '86 Cutlass Supreme episode for your viewing pleasure:

http://megatron.stonehill.edu/video/pmr_86cs.wmv

Windows Media required, broadband not a bad idea. Running time: 19m:47s

 ~ Dan

- -------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
- -------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 11:14:45 -0500
From: "Jay Britt" <jbritt67@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: under bumper scoop template?

Tom,

I have the two pages from my '68 Assembly Manual that shows the scoop
mounting locations as well as the under hood hose routing layout.
Unfortunately, I won't have access to a scanner until I get back to work on
Monday. If you can't find anything sooner, I'll scan them both and put it on
the web.

Jay

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Tom Atencio
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:55 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: under bumper scoop template?


Hello list,
Does anyone have a template? picture? or dimensions of where the holes are
cut in the plastic inner fender on a 68 442 for the under bumper scoops?
obviously on the flat front part...would like to get the specifics. Thanks.
Tom Atencio
Denver
68 442 convt slowly but surely coming along
70 F85

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:18:37 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: WTD: 71 Cutlass 350 Lower Radiator HOSE

Anobody got one?
Anybody can get a Part Number at least?

I can tell you that these do NOT fit:
NAPA #7716
Advance Auto #D70650

The typical problem is that they are L shaped, and the corner of the L hits 
on the frame/ idler arm attachment. This is not acceptable. It needs to be 
like an L with the corner of the L moved in about 2-3 inches. Or maybe an L 
with the corner shaved off at 45* angle for about 6" each leg.

If you can assist, please contact me by phone or email. Thanks.

- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:23:28 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Effects of milling an intake manifold?

Albert,

Don't mill the top of the intake. That's not a good idea, for a variety of
reasons. Instead, go to your local friendly neighborhood speedshop and buy a
14" chrome open element air cleaner that uses a deep convex base plate that
will drop the air cleaner down over the carb. That will work and give you
hood clearance.

I use one like that on Thunder.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:09 PM
Subject: Effects of milling an intake manifold?


> I purchased and installed an Edelbrock Performer 455 manifold for my 1965
> 442. Come to find out, it's not going to fit under my hood. I measured the
> difference between the Edelbrock and stock and I'm going to have to have
> 15mm milled off the intake for it to fit. Modifying the hood is not an
> option.
>
> Anyone know if I should be worried about milling an intake that much? What
> would the performance difference be? I still like the manifold and the
> weight savings is worth it but I don't want to damage anything.
>
> Thanks!
>

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:45:27 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass 350 Lower Radiator HOSE

Chris and list,

        Gates hoses are marked with a "A" and a "B" for cut to
length for body style - not sure of the gates number - something like
21403 ?????

The General


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:18 PM
Subject: WTD: 71 Cutlass 350 Lower Radiator HOSE


> Anobody got one?
> Anybody can get a Part Number at least?
>
> I can tell you that these do NOT fit:
> NAPA #7716
> Advance Auto #D70650
>
> The typical problem is that they are L shaped, and the corner of the L
hits
> on the frame/ idler arm attachment. This is not acceptable. It needs to be
> like an L with the corner of the L moved in about 2-3 inches. Or maybe an
L
> with the corner shaved off at 45* angle for about 6" each leg.
>
> If you can assist, please contact me by phone or email. Thanks.
>
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:50:41 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Effects of milling an intake manifold?

Albert,

I use an Edelbrock 14" recessed base open element air cleaner. I bought it
at Auto Zone for $25.00. The base of the air cleaner is recessed 1.5" below
the throat of the carb.
Pat Swanton.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: Effects of milling an intake manifold?


> Albert,
>
> Don't mill the top of the intake. That's not a good idea, for a variety of
> reasons. Instead, go to your local friendly neighborhood speedshop and buy
a
> 14" chrome open element air cleaner that uses a deep convex base plate
that
> will drop the air cleaner down over the carb. That will work and give you
> hood clearance.
>
> I use one like that on Thunder.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:09 PM
> Subject: Effects of milling an intake manifold?
>
>
> > I purchased and installed an Edelbrock Performer 455 manifold for my
1965
> > 442. Come to find out, it's not going to fit under my hood. I measured
the
> > difference between the Edelbrock and stock and I'm going to have to have
> > 15mm milled off the intake for it to fit. Modifying the hood is not an
> > option.
> >
> > Anyone know if I should be worried about milling an intake that much?
What
> > would the performance difference be? I still like the manifold and the
> > weight savings is worth it but I don't want to damage anything.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:08:14 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Effects of milling an intake manifold?

Albert,
PN # 1207
http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive/index.html
Pat Swanton.


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: Effects of milling an intake manifold?


> Albert,
>
> I use an Edelbrock 14" recessed base open element air cleaner. I bought it
> at Auto Zone for $25.00. The base of the air cleaner is recessed 1.5"
below
> the throat of the carb.
> Pat Swanton.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 12:23 AM
> Subject: Re: Effects of milling an intake manifold?
>
>
> > Albert,
> >
> > Don't mill the top of the intake. That's not a good idea, for a variety
of
> > reasons. Instead, go to your local friendly neighborhood speedshop and
buy
> a
> > 14" chrome open element air cleaner that uses a deep convex base plate
> that
> > will drop the air cleaner down over the carb. That will work and give
you
> > hood clearance.
> >
> > I use one like that on Thunder.
> >
> > Milton Schick
> > 1964 442 Cutlass
> > imp@theriver.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 9:09 PM
> > Subject: Effects of milling an intake manifold?
> >
> >
> > > I purchased and installed an Edelbrock Performer 455 manifold for my
> 1965
> > > 442. Come to find out, it's not going to fit under my hood. I measured
> the
> > > difference between the Edelbrock and stock and I'm going to have to
have
> > > 15mm milled off the intake for it to fit. Modifying the hood is not an
> > > option.
> > >
> > > Anyone know if I should be worried about milling an intake that much?
> What
> > > would the performance difference be? I still like the manifold and the
> > > weight savings is worth it but I don't want to damage anything.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:21:48 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: 67 Olds 442  SS1's

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I also have a set of full chrome SSI's   missing center caps


Anyone interested?

Vinny

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:20:59 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: 1964  Olds  cutlass parts

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Greetings all


Does anyone here have need of parts for a 64 cutlass?

I have an extra grill
 rear panel
completely rebuilt AM radio

I might have other stuff around too

Make me an offer


Vinny

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:44:04 -0500
From: Gene Gatti <64f-85@comcast.net>
Subject: Old Calendars are sold

Hi Guys,
    The old calendars that I posted earlier have been spoken for.
Thanks,
Gene

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:42:51 EST
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Engle Cam Websight?

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Does anyone have the URL for Engle's Camshafts websight?  I can't seem to 
find it in my list, nor am I able to locate it through any searches.  I'm sure 
they have a websight.  Anyone have it handy?
Thanks,
Steve D

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:02:47 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Engle Cam Websight?

Steve D.

http://www.englecams.com/index.php

Pat Swanton.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <NUOLDSMAN@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:42 PM
Subject: Re: Engle Cam Websight?


> Does anyone have the URL for Engle's Camshafts websight?  I can't seem to
> find it in my list, nor am I able to locate it through any searches.  I'm
sure
> they have a websight.  Anyone have it handy?
> Thanks,
> Steve D
>

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:05:57 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Front sway bar bushings

It should work, but call them and ask.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Clark, Pat" <PClark@Ignition.com>
To: "OLDS LIST (E-mail)" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:35 AM
Subject: Front sway bar bushings


> I ordered a front end kit for the 69 442 from PST Suspensions last week
and
> they shipped 1" sway bar bushings with it. My sway bar measures 0.965". Is
> this the wrong bushing or will it work?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pat Clark
> IGNITION INC.
> P 972-516-8700
> F 972-516-8690

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:46:08 -0500
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: RE: Dash questions

>ChazToone@aol.com wrote:
>Two dash related questions, both on my '71 Cutlass Supreme:
>How do you replace the ashtray lid?
>How do you change the head light switch? 

Not sure on the ashtray lid.  It's definitely held in with two curved pieces
of springy steel, one on either side.  I had to do this and mine just sort
of popped off.  I lifted it up about halfway, nudged it to the right and it
came free.  There is most likely a much better way, but it may work.  Just
be careful as the metal pieces flew all over the place...black carpet leads
to hours of searching.  How's that for a technical description! :)

As for the headlight switch, this I can help with.  Pull the knob all the
way out (lights on).  There is a notched metal retainer ring (facing you)
that surrounds the shaft.  Should be able to loosen it with the aid of a
small flat head or pliers, be careful not to injure expensive dash pad.
Next, go under the dash and grab the switch itself.  There is a button on
the bottom of the switch (facing the floor) that, when pressed upward,
should allow you to pull the shaft from the switch thus letting the switch
fall free from behind the dash.  Quite simple really...and it took me
*forever* to find it the first time. :) again.

Good luck!

 ~ Dan

- -------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:28:53 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass 350 Lower Radiator HOSE

Chris,

Gates # 20603A, which means cut the hose at A for correct fit.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:18 AM
Subject: WTD: 71 Cutlass 350 Lower Radiator HOSE


> Anobody got one?
> Anybody can get a Part Number at least?
>
> I can tell you that these do NOT fit:
> NAPA #7716
> Advance Auto #D70650
>
> The typical problem is that they are L shaped, and the corner of the L
hits
> on the frame/ idler arm attachment. This is not acceptable. It needs to be
> like an L with the corner of the L moved in about 2-3 inches. Or maybe an
L
> with the corner shaved off at 45* angle for about 6" each leg.
>
> If you can assist, please contact me by phone or email. Thanks.
>
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
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> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:39:42 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: 68 442 H/O parts

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Hey all,

does anyone here know where I might find a NOS/Repro accelerator cable that 
goes from firewall to the carb???


Thanks

Vinny
68 H/O

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:51:23 -0500
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: More Dyno Stuff

I picked up my engine today, and the dyno shop owner gave me all the
test data. He also included a dyno test of a stock W30 engine that was
rebuilt. The W30 numbers were: peak horsepower was 299 at 4400 RPM and
peak torque was 411 at 3300 RPM.

Compare my engine: peak torque was 460 at 3300 RPM, and peak horsepower
was 338 at 4500. On both engines, power dropped off a lot after 4500
RPM.

I asked him why the factory numbers were so high. He told me that the
factory dyno is run on propane (higher octane), low viscosity oil, and a
cool controlled air intake charge. The factory dyno also has headers.
And, there is a minimal load on the engine with no accessories. But, the
factory rating is 365 horsepower and 500 pounds of torque. Sounds like
the factory numbers are really optimistic!

Paul Tumolo
1970 442
OCA # 31967 

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:59:09 -0500
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Effects of milling an intake manifold?

Not an intake manifold expert, but my primary concerns here would be:

1) linkage clearance and choke hook-up
2) need to drill & tap the carb mounting holes deeper (and hope you 
don't go into the ports)
3) significant decrease in plenum volume - will hinder engine breathing 
at higher rpm's and may affect idle quality and general performance
4) lowering the carburetor will make the mixture turn more sharply into 
the ports, possible causing air-fuel separation especially at higher rpms

Just a few things to think about....

Michael Ecker

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:15:36 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: piston rings rotate?

A fella on another list I get says that it doean't matter how you orient the
gaps on piston rings 'cuz they rotate in use anyway. Izzat true, or is he
umm.. mistaken?

drc

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:07:07 -0600
From: "Marty Henson" <marty-henson@clayton-engineering.com>
Subject: RE: More Dyno Stuff

How is it that car magazines, such as Car Craft, can build/test a
relatively mild Chebby 350 and report slightly less torque, but greater
horsepower than that produced by your 455 cubic inch engine?
Marty, St. Louis

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Paul Tumolo
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 4:51 PM
To: Oldsmobile-Digest
Subject: More Dyno Stuff

I picked up my engine today, and the dyno shop owner gave me all the
test data. He also included a dyno test of a stock W30 engine that was
rebuilt. The W30 numbers were: peak horsepower was 299 at 4400 RPM and
peak torque was 411 at 3300 RPM.

Compare my engine: peak torque was 460 at 3300 RPM, and peak horsepower
was 338 at 4500. On both engines, power dropped off a lot after 4500
RPM.

I asked him why the factory numbers were so high. He told me that the
factory dyno is run on propane (higher octane), low viscosity oil, and a
cool controlled air intake charge. The factory dyno also has headers.
And, there is a minimal load on the engine with no accessories. But, the
factory rating is 365 horsepower and 500 pounds of torque. Sounds like
the factory numbers are really optimistic!

Paul Tumolo
1970 442
OCA # 31967 

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Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:00:00 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty

I'm sorry, thats digusting. No, I'm not sorry!
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <robert.demuth@prudential.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 4:53 PM
Subject: Rollin' in my Cutty


>
> I saw this on the traffic choked 3 hour, 6 mile ride from Daytona
> International Speedway to my hotel on the beach.  I just had to share it
> with the list, for it is too good to keep all to myself.  If the owner of
> this is on the list, come clean.
>
> http://www.geocities.com/rld96bbb/daytona04.htm
>
> Disclaimers:
> (1)  Sorry for the crappy phone cam quality of the pix.  I used what I had
> handy.
> (2)  I apologize in advance if some of you attempt to access the page and
> my bandwidth limit has already been exceeded.  That has happened when I've
> posted links in the past -- the bw limit and the annoying ad (which can
> easily be minimized) are drawbacks of free hosting, but I don't use it
> enough to pay for it ;)
>
> Bob DeMuth.
> '72 88 conv.
> some other stuff
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 16:58:00 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: RE: More Dyno Stuff

Marty,
It's similar to CarToons.  Did ya ever see Bugs Bunny jump out of an 
airplane without a parachute?  A real world test would involve taking 
the  chebby with high numbers and putting it on the track against the 
BBO.  HP numbers (like statistics) can be juggled to the point where they 
look the best to the prospective audience.

M

At 05:07 PM 3/30/2004 -0600, Marty wrote:
>How is it that car magazines, such as Car Craft, can build/test a
>relatively mild Chebby 350 and report slightly less torque, but greater
>horsepower than that produced by your 455 cubic inch engine?
>Marty, St. Louis

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:45:56 -0500
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: piston rings rotate?

> A fella on another list I get says that it doean't matter how you orient
the
> gaps on piston rings 'cuz they rotate in use anyway. Izzat true, or is he
> umm.. mistaken?

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Er, well...  I sure would not make it a habit to line up the gaps.  I have
seen a dismantled rebuilt Cheby 350 that used gobs of oil and overwhelmed
the PCV with blow by where all of the gaps lined up.  Reorienting the rings
so the gaps did not line up fixed it.

Directly from page 6A-17 of the '85 Olds CSM "In order to provide an
effective compression seal, the ring gaps must be staggered..."

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:49:11 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: Dealing with Generous Motors

I own a 2002 Buick LeSabre ... come to think of it I'm
ready to fall on a 'sabre'.  Along with a whole litany
of problems with this vehicle that I bought new some
27k miles ago, the HVAC system goes on the blink. 
Several times now, each lasting several days, the
heater will only push air out the dash vents.  These
spells usually occur when it is humid outside - like
when I really need the DEFROSTER.

The second spell it had, I got it to the dealer,
expecting them to say it works fine for them.  But
they didn't...they had the same problem!  Except, they
couldn't diagnose it either - they just waited around
until the system started working correctly again.

On my way home from my contracting job at Generous
Motors - RenCen 300 tower Floor 33 (Wagoner, Cowger
and co. are on floor 39) I had the problem reoccur. 
Went to the dealer to get the number of the GM
territorial manager, or whatever.  Called the magic
number and got a lady who called the dealer back to
find out if I was right...by that time the dealer is
closed.

She tells me that there's nothing GM can do if the
dealer can't diagnose the problem.  I told her that I
would be shown the door in quick order by GM if I said
something like that (I'm a database implentation DBA
for large database applications developed in India). 
She wanted to know what I expect GM to do and I told
her GM should stand behind their product, that a car
without a defroster isn't worth anything to me.  She
kept telling me she understood, but she didn't, just
something customer service consultants tell them to
say.

<rant/off>

OK, I feel a little better now.

Anyone have any idea what's going on with this car? 
I'm wondering if the door at the plenum gets stuck
during high humidity.  A few problems with this is 1.
the car is almost new, 2. there's no TSBs on this
problem, 3. I didn't have the setting on vent before
this happened - just heat and 'blend'.  (This isn't an
automatic system).

Maybe the thing I'm maddest about is that GM is
chasing away customers.  People don't stand for this
kind of crap anymore, they just go and by the Lexus
and never, ever, ever go back.  Meanwhile our standard
of living continues to drop.

<rant/really off>

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 14:31:41 -0800 (PST)
From: J Pajak <ransomeliolds@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass 350 Lower Radiator HOSE

- --- "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
wrote:
Chris,

Gates # 20603A, which means cut the hose at A for
correct fit.

*******************
While we are on this subject, I'd like to mention that
the 68-70 cars had a bigger diameter lower outlet on
the radiator.

Most of the replacement radiators have the smaller
71-up style lower outlet. They supply a rubber sleeve
to make up the difference, but it's kind of hokey. I
had one of those assemblies pop off once and it was
messy. A far better solution is to use the 71-up hose.


Anyway, just for the record, what is the number for
the 70 Cutlass lower hose?  



=====
John Pajak

http://jspajak.tripod.com

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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 00:43:04 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: piston rings rotate?

At 06:45 PM 3/30/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Directly from page 6A-17 of the '85 Olds CSM "In order to provide an
>effective compression seal, the ring gaps must be staggered..."

In other words, place them at 120 degree intervals. I forget whether the
top compression ring should have its gap at the top or bottom of the
cylinder but most books also state that; and there's even drawings in them.

Do the rings rotate during operation? I don't know for sure; I wudda thot
they would, though, even if slowly. With the friction they have against the
cylinder wall and being pressed against the piston lands due to compression
and suction as the piston goes up and down, I'm sure they don't rotate very
quickly, though.

SteveH

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:11:34 -0500
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty

Admittedly, I felt a twinge of sympathy for the car.....  the rims were,
uh, um, how do I put this . . . interesting?


	- Joe Vahabzadeh


At 05:00 PM 03/29/2004 -0500, swanny wrote:
>I'm sorry, thats digusting. No, I'm not sorry!

>>
>> http://www.geocities.com/rld96bbb/daytona04.htm
>>

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Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:21:09 -0500
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors

At 03:49 PM 03/30/2004 -0800, Bill wrote:
>I own a 2002 Buick LeSabre ... come to think of it I'm
>ready to fall on a 'sabre'.  Along with a whole litany
<snip HVAC and customer service horrors>

What should they do?  Well, doesn't GM at least have a 3 year/36,000
bumper to bumper warranty?

They *should* either hire more competent mechanics, make sure the
dealership is actually TRYING to do something, and, ultimately, take the
car apart bolt by bolt if that's what it takes to figure out the problem.

To wit: they now KNOW it's a problem, having seen the symptoms.  They have
to fix it.  PERIOD.

At least that's my take on it, particularly if it's under warranty.  I
suppose they could always offer to buy the car back and give you a brand
new, 2004 Buick LeSabre in its place, but I'm guessing they're more likely
to try and fix it.

My mini-rant over now...


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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