
oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, March 3 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4802



Mass. Emissions
Re: SOLUTION Re: Brakes redux
Re: more FWD vs RWD 3.8L
Re: AIR pumps
Re: AIR Pump Belt Adjustment??
Perfect Circle vs. Moog
442.com Problems?
Re: Perfect Circle vs. Moog
Re: Perfect Circle vs. Moog
Re: Larry Biasotto's SX
Re: Quick Virus Warning
Re: more FWD vs RWD 3.8L
Re: Perfect Circle vs. Moog
Re: AIR pumps
Re: Perfect Circle vs. Moog
Re: more FWD vs RWD 3.8L
Re: AIR pumps
Re: Perfect Circle vs. Moog
Re: AIR pumps
Im back
A/C and Heat questions
Re: Im back
Re: Im back
Az. car show and my 455 photos
Re: Az. car show and my 455 photos
Re: Az. car show and my 455 photos

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:40:49 -0500
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Mass. Emissions

NO emissions testing on cars made before 1984. Safety inspection annual
for $30. Tires, blinkers, horn, wipers, etc. Takes about 10 minutes.

The cost of living is very high. Average new home price is about
$400,000. The town that I live in has house lots at about $200,000, and
new homes starting at $500,000. THANK GOD I built mine in
1978........The closer you get to Boston, the more expensive the houses
are. I live about 35 miles form the city. If my house was 10 miles
closer, it probably would be over a million dollars. So, property taxes
are high as well. Most folks here pay at least $4000 per year.

Lots of high tech jobs in the metro Boston area. The best schools,
colleges, and hospitals.

Traffic is pretty bad.

NH, RI, VT, Conn. are less expensive and less congested. Don't know
about emissions.

CT police are the worst. Don't speed in that state!!!!!

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 hardtop
OCA # 31967

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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:55:20 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: SOLUTION Re: Brakes redux

>The mechanic took an air chisel to the backing plates to clear one access
>hole on each side, this for access to the adjuster without removing the
>tire.  Apparantly this hole is not cleared at the factory?  Weird.

No, it costs them more to engineer a hole than to leave it as, say, a thin 
spot in a casting or stamping that can be opened up later when there's a 
need for it.

>So I'll have to scrounge some rubber plugs to go in the holes, which
>previously I had not used when I originally rebuilt the brakes.

You can buy plugs for this specific application; I think the MotorMite 
"HELP!" line has them.

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:15:51 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Amadei <amadei@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: more FWD vs RWD 3.8L

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, King V wrote:

> >To the best of my knowledge, you can.  Alot of talk about putting
> >Supercharged 3800s in RWD cars comes up... the engine will apparently bolt
> >in (that's how it is in the late F-bods)... but the supercharger is
> >orientated wrong for a RWD application... I think it would interfere with
> >the firewall.
>
> Well, technically, if I were to put in even the 86-88 3.8L V6 FI in, the
> intake would be oriented wrong.  You'd wind up with the air intake and
> water outlet facing the firewall, and the EGR on the passenger side.  I
> figure just turn the intake around 180 degrees.

True, but I heard there may still be interference problems with the
firewall once you turn the intake around... this idea was tossed around
the Poncho list awhile ago, to install a SC'd 3800 into an old 60's car...
and so this is from my dim recollection, not firsthand experience.

> What years were these available in the F-body?

At least 2000-2002... perhaps as early as 1998.  Before that it was the
3.1... I just saw two '96s with the 3.1.

					----Steve
Stephen Amadei
Dandy.NET!  CTO/CSO
Atlantic City, NJ

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:23:23 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Amadei <amadei@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: AIR pumps

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Dave Cullen wrote:

> > The automotive theory behind AIR was that it would lengthen the time the
> > mixture burned a bit, but I didn't get that. As far as I could see all it
> > was doing was pushing fresh air into the exhaust stream to dilute what was
> > coming out of the cylinders. So it didn't reduce emissions, it just
> diluted
> > them.
>
> You need to read about Air Injection Reaction.
>
> Adding fresh air to the exhaust ports causes the unburned fuel in the
> exhaust to ignite, reducing HC's during the warmup period when mixtures are
> normally rich. It's not "dillution".
>
> Diverting the air to the catalytic converter after warmup helps the cat do
> its job.

I absolutely understand this... but I'm sure not all of the air pumped
into the exhaust gets 'converted'... i.e. 70% of the air is nitrogen,
which isn't burned in the cat.  I'm pretty sure the 10% Oxygen is used
completely, either... therefore, it's still dillution.  The question is
how much and can a sniffer tell?

					----Steve
Stephen Amadei
Dandy.NET!  CTO/CSO
Atlantic City, NJ

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:27:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Amadei <amadei@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: AIR Pump Belt Adjustment??

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Kevin Wright wrote:

> Or, really cheap, turnbuckles from Home Depot or Lowes will get you
> there. The one's from Lowe's have an aluminum hex-stock body that can
> be polished - very trick looking! :P
> I used one on my alternator:
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/images/olds/Snoopy_alt-1-tb.html
> and: http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/images/olds/Snoopy_alt-2-tb.html

Excellent!  I might just try that!

					----Steve
Stephen Amadei
Dandy.NET!  CTO/CSO
Atlantic City, NJ

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 17:00:08 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Perfect Circle vs. Moog

Any insight into the quality difference between Perfect Circle (TRW, 
right?) and Moog chssis parts?
The reason I ask is that I'm about to rebuild the front end of my '70, 
in concert with a tall spindle/big brake upgrade. Perfect Circle is 
what Autozone has, and in stock, while O'Reilly's has Moog available, 
even some in stock, but at a significant premium over AZ's stuff. It 
all carries a lifetime warranty. Rock Auto also has Moog, of course, 
cheaper than O'Reiily's, but still more expensive than AZ.
On a similar note: Bower/BCA vs. Timken bearings? Price difference not 
so great there, and this time it's AZ that has the "better" (Timken) 
stuff.

On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 18:05:36 EST
From: James244@aol.com
Subject: 442.com Problems?

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Greetings,
Anyone besides me having problems opening the Parts wanted area of the site?

Thanks,
James

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 23:32:08 GMT
From: geo.aigel@netzero.net
Subject: Re: Perfect Circle vs. Moog

Kevin:

I think if it isn't ball joints, you can go with the TRW stuff. If it is ball joints, get the moog. I think the moog stuff is better, so only pass on it if you really need the extra buck.

Timken if you can.

George

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:54:41 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Perfect Circle vs. Moog

Kevin,

> Any insight into the quality difference between Perfect Circle (TRW,
> right?) and Moog chssis parts?


MOOG was always superior to TRW in the past. In some cases, the difference
in thickness between a MOOG and a TRW tie rod end was noticable at the neck,
with the MOOG being thicker. Also, the MOOG Gusher bearing idler arm is far
superior to any type of idler arm on the market, including OEM and TRW.


> On a similar note: Bower/BCA vs. Timken bearings?


There's no difference between Bower/BCA and Timken, or at least there
shouldn't be. Generally speaking, all roller and ball bearings are
manufactured to a Military Specification, because bearings have applications
everywhere.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:29:55 -0500
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Larry Biasotto's SX

Beautiful car Larry.
My 69 Cutlass convertible is going through the same process. Started work on
it back in 1999 too. Hope to get if back on the road this year. Must be nice
to have a two car garage to work in.(Not a lot of room in a single car
garage.)
Where was the frame bent that you had to replace? The frame I'm using was
hit on the passenger side but measured  correctly when I checked it. It has
a small kink in the box just past the lower A arm mount where the frame
bends to go down to the cowl mount.

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 19:43:18 -0500
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Quick Virus Warning

Glad to see I'm not the only one getting hit by virus email.(4 on Sunday 3
on Saturday) I was beginning to think I ticked someone off.
I suggest list members be cautious of any emails they get with attachments.
I delete any email with an attachment if I'm not expecting it from a known
source.(Better safe then sorry.)
Apparantly there is a new virus out there called Netsky that is going after
Exchange Servers. Our office got hit about 100 times today.(This is what the
IT guy at work tells me.)

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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:04:25 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: more FWD vs RWD 3.8L

At 10:15 PM 03/02/2004 -0500, Steve wrote:
>> >but the supercharger is
>> >orientated wrong for a RWD application... I think it would interfere with
>> >the firewall.
>>
>> I
>> figure just turn the intake around 180 degrees.
>
>True, but I heard there may still be interference problems with the
>firewall once you turn the intake around... this idea was tossed around
>the Poncho list awhile ago, to install a SC'd 3800 into an old 60's car...
>and so this is from my dim recollection, not firsthand experience.

	Ahh . . ok, I see.  Actually, I'd planned to keep it N/A, and not bother
with supercharging.  I just want to see how a standard, 150 horse 3.8L FI
would feel in a RWD G-body.

	It definitely feels good in the FWD full-size cars.  Figure the G body
maybe weighs 100 lbs more on average.

	Well, let's see what I do with it, if anything!

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 02:34:05 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Perfect Circle vs. Moog

moog is supior
ron
> Kevin,
> 
> > Any insight into the quality difference between Perfect Circle (TRW,
> > right?) and Moog chssis parts?
> 
> 
> MOOG was always superior to TRW in the past. In some cases, the difference
> in thickness between a MOOG and a TRW tie rod end was noticable at the neck,
> with the MOOG being thicker. Also, the MOOG Gusher bearing idler arm is far
> superior to any type of idler arm on the market, including OEM and TRW.
> 
> 
> > On a similar note: Bower/BCA vs. Timken bearings?
> 
> 
> There's no difference between Bower/BCA and Timken, or at least there
> shouldn't be. Generally speaking, all roller and ball bearings are
> manufactured to a Military Specification, because bearings have applications
> everywhere.
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 02:38:57 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: AIR pumps

by nj standerds we have seen cars pass the test with out the air pump connected.on originally equiped cars
ron  
> On Tue, 2 Mar 2004, Dave Cullen wrote:
> 
> > > The automotive theory behind AIR was that it would lengthen the time the
> > > mixture burned a bit, but I didn't get that. As far as I could see all it
> > > was doing was pushing fresh air into the exhaust stream to dilute what was
> > > coming out of the cylinders. So it didn't reduce emissions, it just
> > diluted
> > > them.
> >
> > You need to read about Air Injection Reaction.
> >
> > Adding fresh air to the exhaust ports causes the unburned fuel in the
> > exhaust to ignite, reducing HC's during the warmup period when mixtures are
> > normally rich. It's not "dillution".
> >
> > Diverting the air to the catalytic converter after warmup helps the cat do
> > its job.
> 
> I absolutely understand this... but I'm sure not all of the air pumped
> into the exhaust gets 'converted'... i.e. 70% of the air is nitrogen,
> which isn't burned in the cat.  I'm pretty sure the 10% Oxygen is used
> completely, either... therefore, it's still dillution.  The question is

> how much and can a sniffer tell?
> 
> 					----Steve
> Stephen Amadei
> Dandy.NET!  CTO/CSO
> Atlantic City, NJ

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Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 22:16:25 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Perfect Circle vs. Moog

At 11:32 PM 03/02/2004 GMT, George wrote:
>I think if it isn't ball joints, you can go with the TRW stuff. If it is
ball joints, 
>get the moog. I think the moog stuff is better, so only pass on it if you
really need
>the extra buck.
>
>Timken if you can.

Speaking of all this  . . .  anyone know of a company making front-end and
chassis parts known as Falcon, or maybe as Autodrive?  How are they,
quality-wise?

Reason I ask is that, at the parts store I work at, we carry
Falcon/Autodrive, which uses the same part numbers as Moog.

However, when something's out of stock (ie: none of our stores nor our
warehouse have it), we wind up getting the Moog parts.

As for bearings and seals, we carry Timken.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 22:25:42 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: more FWD vs RWD 3.8L

In a message dated 3/2/04 7:05:42 PM Central Standard Time, 
king_v@mindless.com writes:
- -- Actually, I'd planned to keep it N/A, and not bother with supercharging.  
I just want to see how a standard, 150 horse 3.8L FI would feel in a RWD 
G-body.

    It definitely feels good in the FWD full-size cars.  Figure the G body 
maybe weighs 100 lbs more on average. --

I can tell you the 231/3.8 does a pretty decent job in a H-Body (Starfire), 
both my 1980's have the six right now (one will eventually get an Olds 350) and 
with the exception of the low oil pressure (lower than I'd like it) I can't 
find fault with them as a daily-driver.

I'm hoping to have the Red Bullet ready for the road in a couple of weeks -- 
first I'm heading to Biloxi, MS for some education courtesy of the USAF, then 
it's on to Wichita Falls, TX for more USAF-provided schooling.  I'll be on 
active duty until some time in November, so all other projects are deferred until 
2005 (or later) :-(

Take Care,
Ken Snyder

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 01:36:52 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: AIR pumps

My last bits on the AIR thing, which I admit I have extremely limited
understanding of....

1) I believe the 1984 Regal I had developed a clogged catalytic converter
due to a bad check valve in my AIR pump.  The thing tended to make a noise
that somewhat resembles a louder version of the rattling noise from the
vacuum doohickey that operates the vent diverters/climate control stuff
inside the car (which has a vacuum leak on my Calais, thus the slight rattle).

At the time I didn't realize it, but in retrospect I think that's what was
happening.



2) I've had that same Regal pass emissions quite easily, even with a
malfunctioning AIR system.  Further, I've had a number of pre-1980 cars
pass the 1981-up emissions from back when they did curb-idle only.  Heck,
even my 1972 Skylark with 350 2bbl and 104,000 miles passed, producing only
about 1/5 of what was the maximum allowed for a 1981-up vehicle.  That
Skylark was 100% bone stock.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 00:09:15 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Perfect Circle vs. Moog

> Speaking of all this  . . .  anyone know of a company making front-end and
> chassis parts known as Falcon, or maybe as Autodrive?  How are they,
> quality-wise?
>
> Reason I ask is that, at the parts store I work at, we carry
> Falcon/Autodrive, which uses the same part numbers as Moog.
>
> However, when something's out of stock (ie: none of our stores nor our
> warehouse have it), we wind up getting the Moog parts.


I ran a web search on Falcon and Autodrive. I seemed to get an indication
that Autodrive was owned by Federal-Mogul, which also owns MOOG, but I
couldn't verify it at the FM website. Falcon and Autodrive could be a
private label made by MOOG, but I don't know. Sealed Power chassis parts are
made by MOOG and FM owns both MOOG and Sealed Power.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 07:15:56 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: AIR pumps

> which isn't burned in the cat.  I'm pretty sure the 10% Oxygen is used
> completely, either... therefore, it's still dillution.  The question is
> how much and can a sniffer tell?

The question really is do you care about how much pollution you car makes?
If your only reason for having emissions devices is to pass the testing,
then take it off. I've known lots of cars to pass the tests with
disconnected AIR pumps, so I'd say its contribution is minimal after warmup.

drc

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:05:16 -0500
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Im back

Listers,
Im back. I havent posted here in a while but im back now. And its warm 
outside too which means its time to work on my car again yayyyyyy lol. 
Anyways, I am going to purchase a Recon engine from AutoZone for $1149. 
I plan on starting pulling the engine outta my 70 Olds 98 in the next 
couple of days. I may be posting some questions on here :-) Also, if 
anyone has any Comfortron questions, feel free to ask me.

paulbunyan

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 11:41:09 -0500
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: A/C and Heat questions

Listers,
I will try to answer any regular heat and a/c questions as well. :-) Im 
not the greatest but I know its getting warm outside and people are 
gonna be trying to get the heat and a/c working.

paulbunyan

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:15:30 -0500
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: Im back

Paul White wrote:

> Listers,
> Im back. I havent posted here in a while but im back now. And its warm 
> outside too which means its time to work on my car again yayyyyyy lol. 
> Anyways, I am going to purchase a Recon engine from AutoZone for $1149. 
> I plan on starting pulling the engine outta my 70 Olds 98 in the next 
> couple of days. I may be posting some questions on here :-) Also, if 
> anyone has any Comfortron questions, feel free to ask me.
> 
> paulbunyan
> 
> 
> 
Hi Paul
     Welcome back
John Kelsey
dayton Ohio

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 13:44:22 -0500
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Im back

Thanks man!
Its good to be back. Hopefully well see some posts soon. If not im sure 
ill have some posts in a few since im messing with this engine

paulbunyan

ribspot@pop4.net wrote:

> Paul White wrote:
>
>> Listers,
>> Im back. I havent posted here in a while but im back now. And its 
>> warm outside too which means its time to work on my car again 
>> yayyyyyy lol. Anyways, I am going to purchase a Recon engine from 
>> AutoZone for $1149. I plan on starting pulling the engine outta my 70 
>> Olds 98 in the next couple of days. I may be posting some questions 
>> on here :-) Also, if anyone has any Comfortron questions, feel free 
>> to ask me.
>>
>> paulbunyan
>>
>>
>>
> Hi Paul
>     Welcome back
> John Kelsey
> dayton Ohio
>
>

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:37:19 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Az. car show and my 455 photos

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Greetings everyone!

I just got back from a combo business and pleasure (do not read too much into 
that) trip to Los Angeles, California and Phoenix, Az.


While in Az, I stayed at my buddy Karl Sup's place.  He is a great guy with a 
great family!

While there we prepped his 62 Starfire convert for the Az Oldsmobile Club car 
show.  Also we found the time to slap together my 455  (461)   for my 68 
Hurst/Olds,  more on that later....

I met some great people at the Show, many are great people!

My new engine is coming along great!         

I have to thank a few people,  Karl Sup,  Steve Droege, Chris Witt  to name a 
few.

   To see some pictures  please go to http://photos.yahoo.com/hurstoldz   
then click on My 68 Hurst/Olds



Vinny
68 Hurst/Olds

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 14:17:19 -0500
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Az. car show and my 455 photos

Nice pics. I wish you were coming to DC so you could help me rebuild my 
engine lol. I plan on posting pics of all the details as I am pulling my 
engine too.

paulbunyan


HURSTOLDZ@aol.com wrote:

> Greetings everyone!
>  
> I just got back from a combo business and pleasure (do not read too 
> much into that) trip to Los Angeles, California and Phoenix, Az.
>  
>  
> While in Az, I stayed at my buddy Karl Sup's place.  He is a great guy 
> with a great family!
>  
> While there we prepped his 62 Starfire convert for the Az Oldsmobile 
> Club car show.  Also we found the time to slap together my 455  
> (461)   for my 68 Hurst/Olds,  more on that later....
>  
> I met some great people at the Show, many are great people!
>  
> My new engine is coming along great!         
>  
> I have to thank a few people,  Karl Sup,  Steve Droege, Chris Witt  to 
> name a few.
>  
>    To see some pictures  please go to 
> http://photos.yahoo.com/hurstoldz   then click on My 68 Hurst/Olds
>  
>  
>  
> Vinny
> 68 Hurst/Olds

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 16:29:23 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: Az. car show and my 455 photos

Dang Vinny.  Wish I'd known you were there. (I was there all day)

M

At 01:37 PM 3/3/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Greetings everyone!
>
>I just got back from a combo business and pleasure (do not read too much 
>into that) trip to Los Angeles, California and Phoenix, Az.
>
>
>While in Az, I stayed at my buddy Karl Sup's place.  He is a great guy 
>with a great family!
>
>While there we prepped his 62 Starfire convert for the Az Oldsmobile Club 
>car show.  Also we found the time to slap together my 455  (461)   for my 
>68 Hurst/Olds,  more on that later....
>
>I met some great people at the Show, many are great people!
>
>My new engine is coming along great!
>
>I have to thank a few people,  Karl Sup,  Steve Droege, Chris Witt  to 
>name a few.
>
>    To see some pictures  please go to 
> <http://photos.yahoo.com/hurstoldz>http://photos.yahoo.com/hurstoldz 
> then click on My 68 Hurst/Olds
>
>
>
>Vinny
>68 Hurst/Olds

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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