
oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, April 20 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4861



Fuel gauge/Autometer,works opposite
RE: [OT] Spam from Lazaro?
Subject: RE: '67s - 2 & 4bbl F-85s and fancy bumpers
Finally some great weather
Re: "68 Horn
UPDATE: Vent flexible Ductwork
Re: Fuel gauge/Autometer,works opposite
Re: Cali smog laws
Re: "68 Horn
RE: Air Compressor Settlement
Re: "68 Horn
Re: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?
Re: Cali smog laws
Re: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?
RE: Silhouette/Transport/etc Turn Signal Problem
Rear main seal
RE: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?
Re: Rear main seal
RE: Rear main seal
Re: Mr. Clean Auto Dry - Minority View
Re: Rear main seal
Quadrajet tuning
Nomad
Re: Nomad
Front end alignment questions
Re: Fuel gauge/Autometer,works opposite
RE: Nomad
RE: Rear main seal
Re: Quadrajet tuning
RE: Quadrajet tuning
what's in a name
RE: 1970 442
Re: what's in a name
RE: Silhouette/Transport/etc Turn Signal Problem
RE: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?
Re: Harmonic Balancer Bolt
Re: Fuel gauge/Autometer,works opposite

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:02:35 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Fuel gauge/Autometer,works opposite

Hello list,
I've been reading the what Randy Hermson wrote about his fuel gauge problems
in hopes for a cure for mine. It is a '78 Cutlass, stock tank and sender,
Auto Meter fuel gauge. My problem is, when I fill it up, 18 gallons, the
gauge only reads 3/4's full. I was told by someone else that I need to
change my stock sender. Can anyone else verify this?
Thank you.
Pat Swanton.

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:02:58 -0400
From: "David J. Duffner - Trofeoworld.com" <oldslist@trofeoworld.com>
Subject: RE: [OT] Spam from Lazaro?

>-----Original Message-----
>From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca 
>[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Andrew C. Green
>Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:06 PM
>To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>Subject: RE: Spam from Lazaro?
>
>>I got the same e-mail, but from "Orville Marcus", not "Lazaro". The
>
>I should also mention that my "now returning you to Olds 
>discussion" comment was not meant to be a jibe at David for not
>using an [OT] tag; I just wanted to acknowledge that we were being
>a little non-Olds at that moment.  :-)
>
>-- Andy

Andy,

	None taken, and the downside of dedicating an e-mail address
to a List is that sometimes things come in offlist that get mingled
about and accidentally ignored.  I was battling about 3 separate 
server attacks at that moment and slipped the [OT] that should have
been there by all rights to allow filters to do their job.

	We host the Toro List, and we're always trying to keep junk 
like that out.  But they'd slap me in a heartbeat for missing the
[OT]! <Grin>  I just didn't want to offend someone trying to reach
me off-list about something Olds or Toro based as I get entirely 
too much e-mail daily.  Since it was just the one copy, I had no 
easy way to get the IP to drop it into the ban list either.

	But to take this back ON-T, last chance for anyone who would
like to save a poor '82 CS!  It's history here in days if someone
has no use for it! (Hit me offlist if you missed the details)

    David J. Duffner
    Editor
    TrofeoWorld.com

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:24:36 EDT
From: Cnvrtbl442@aol.com
Subject: Subject: RE: '67s - 2 & 4bbl F-85s and fancy bumpers

>Subject: RE: '67s - 2 & 4bbl F-85s and fancy bumpers


> Who is this individual? Where is this car?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> Then how did an individual in 1967 buy something else? That something else
> was a bare-bones 442 in a 2-door F-85, which was rolled off the car
> transporter from whatever GM plant or railroad yard. The lightest body,
with
> no options and deletes, and power to sell.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com

Sorry I'm so slow getting to this topic.  Does anyone know if all the GM 
Divisions did Central Office Production Orders?  I personally remember a brand new 
69 Ch*vy with a 427 4speed.
It was a phone company green small hubcapped bench seat 2 dr post Deluxe 300. 
Not a Malibu, not a Chevelle, but a plain old 300. When it was ordered they 
made him order the front disc brakes, but other than that I dont believe there 
were any other options, Man what a sleeper!!

Tim J Donlan
Gardner, KS
Cnvrtbl442@aol.com

Oh yeah... speaking of 67 442's.    
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3187867314&category=2581&sspagename=STRK%3AMESSE%3AIT&rd=1

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:23:49 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Finally some great weather

Good afternoon folks,

We finally hit 80 here in the Boston area for the first time since August of
'03.  After today we go back in the 50s and 60s so I grabbed the opportunity
to have a little fun.  Cleaned up the 68 and put the top down while the
weather was good.  Took a few pictures for the bored:
http://maytag87.dyndns.org:8081/rob/68442/68442p01.jpg
http://maytag87.dyndns.org:8081/rob/68442/68442p02.jpg
http://maytag87.dyndns.org:8081/rob/68442/68442p03.jpg
http://maytag87.dyndns.org:8081/rob/68442/68442p04.jpg

Now I am off to get the girls in daycare!  Enjoy the weather while it lasts
NorthEasterners!

Rob

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:40:15 -0400
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: "68 Horn

Oh Ron...that would be so sweet of you if you could find the wiring
digrams...I would be more than happy to buy them from  you if you want to
sell them!

Thanks....

Tami

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:45:12 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: UPDATE: Vent flexible Ductwork

All, 

>   > All,
>   > I'm in the process of getting the dash back together today, and
>   > realized/forgot that my old flexible ductwork to the dash 
> vents are quite
>   > dry rotted.
>   > Does anyone have a suggestion for a replacement supplier?
>   > 
>   > I spoke with a friend and he said to try a marine supply 
> store as they use
>   > similar stuff with boats.
>   > 
>   > Thanks,
>   > 
>   > 
>   > Steve Reed

Ron fama replied with.....

>   shop vac hoses come in different dia. find the corect dia 
> and use it works great and last longer
>   ron

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I found a good alternative which I will be trying later this week.  It was
suggested by a friend with a boat to try BOAT vent/ductwork.  As you can
imagine there are quite a few places down here in Austin, TX doing boat
supply.

I contacted them, and they have 3" I.D. (As opposed to the STD: 2.5") duct
work for $0.99/FT.

I figure I'll try cutting the ends which attach to the plastic vent pieces
and attach with a nylon wire tie.

The advantage, as my friend said, is that this stuff is supposed to be
obviously more water resistant than the original MATL. That was used.

Just a tip for you guys/gals going crazy restoring everything (God, why did
I do this?) on their car. 


Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode)
'68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine)
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:22:47 -0500
From: "Kerry Kroger" <kkroger@birch.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge/Autometer,works opposite

Yup sorry you will have to use the Autometer sender or the calibration will
be off, you could try to recalibrate the stock unit by adding a resistor in
parallel to lower the overall resistance but you would be off into
experimentation if you are into that it might actually be easier to do than
dropping the tank to change the sender.....
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:02 PM
Subject: Fuel gauge/Autometer,works opposite


>
>
> Hello list,
> I've been reading the what Randy Hermson wrote about his fuel gauge
problems
> in hopes for a cure for mine. It is a '78 Cutlass, stock tank and sender,
> Auto Meter fuel gauge. My problem is, when I fill it up, 18 gallons, the
> gauge only reads 3/4's full. I was told by someone else that I need to
> change my stock sender. Can anyone else verify this?
> Thank you.
> Pat Swanton.
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:00:55 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Cali smog laws

  contact the state epa  for regulations
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "JBS" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 11:40 AM
  Subject: Re: Cali smog laws


  > I heard you have to get emissions tested.....
  > Dunno the values the old cars must meet, glad I don't live there....
  > 
  > JB Schuren
  > 71Cutlass Conv Rocket 350 w/HEI.
  > 03 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi QC
  > http://foggy.audioguy.net
  > 
  > ----- Original Message ----- 
  > From: "67Oldz" <67@oldsmobile.net>
  > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  > Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 10:09 AM
  > Subject: Cali smog laws
  > 
  > 
  > > Can someone give me a run-down of this new change/law in california for
  > > smogging 30+ year old cars?
  > > 
  > 

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:59:45 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: "68 Horn

  i will  dig them out and just scan them and email them to you
  ron
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
  To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 6:40 PM
  Subject: Re: "68 Horn


  > Oh Ron...that would be so sweet of you if you could find the wiring
  > digrams...I would be more than happy to buy them from  you if you want to
  > sell them!
  > 
  > Thanks....
  > 
  > Tami
  > 
  > 
  > 

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:24:04 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: Air Compressor Settlement

Dang, I would have a Sanborn....

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of KS7RACING@aol.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 17, 2004 11:20 PM
> To: kcautox@yahoogroups.com; oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Air Compressor Settlement
>
>
> Listmembers,
>
> For those of you that purchased air compressor between August 1, 1996 and
> January 30, 2004:
>
> http://www.aircompressorsettlement.com/
>
> Take Care,
> SrA Ken Snyder
> Kansas City, Kansas
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 20:33:11 -0400
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: "68 Horn

Thanks Ron...that will work just fine!!

Tami

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 17:00:27 -0400
From: "73H/O OLDSRIP" <jtmwalt@netsync.net>
Subject: Re: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?

Great news. Its nice to see a company that stands behind it products.
GM-    "The Mark Of Greed"

Joe Walters
73 H/O






- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?


> Joe,
>
> And our '97 Transport 3.4 had the intake gasket replaced under extended
> warranty at 67K, and it's leaking again at 84K, and GM doesn't give a
flying
> damn since the warranty has expired. I've got a 16 ounce bottle of Bars
Leak
> to put in. Screw GM.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
>

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:17:19 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Cali smog laws

Every year there are bills trying to change current law. There has been no 
change though.

Current law says that all vehicles 30 years or older are smog exempt. 
Totally, that is. You will never have to visit a smog station. So, 1974 is 
exempt this year, next year 75 will follow, etc. Be prepared though that 
this may change in the future. I would not go nuts with mods, and if I did, 
I'd keep the old engine and equipment to be able to put it back in it's 
original state.

Go to www.dmv.ca.gov for more information.

George

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:48:25 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?

> Great news. Its nice to see a company that stands
> behind it products.
> GM-    "The Mark Of Greed"
As I've said before, I work 6 floors under Wagoner in
the RenCen (300 Tower - 33rd floor - cubicle 64C). 
The employee closed-circuit channel was reporting on
Honda's recall of 75,000 mini-vans and kind of
laughing it off.  It was a nice diversion to the other
half of the story...GM has broken the 2003 record for
number of GM recalls.

They missed the point of the Honda recall, though. 
They recalled the mini-vans because they are afraid
that the transaxle wasn't being lubricated well
enough.  Transmission problems aren't showing up until
vehicles have very high mileage, but Honda is
recalling all of them for inspection, correction, and
in the event of failure, replacement of the
transmissions.

Kind of reminds me of the Saturn slogan...Honda, a
different kind of recall.

Don't get me started!

Bill Brooks
1970 Cutlass S

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 19:54:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Silhouette/Transport/etc Turn Signal Problem

> I'm assuming here that you have good bulbs to
> install, and know how to 
> install them properly.  ;-)
> 
> -- Andy

As it turns out, my knucklehead 21-yearold son who
replaced the bulbs didn't quite push them in far
enough.  Cleaned out sockets, applied a little
dielectric grease, pushed the bulbs home and, what-ya
know, it works!

By the way, the parts guy gave me 3057 bulbs instead
of 3157 (as called for in the manual) - he said
there's no difference.  I didn't take them, but I am
curious...is there any difference?

Bill Brooks

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:32:53 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: Rear main seal

My engine is being assembled this week and my machinist has a 
question about the rear main seal. As per the list I had him 
order a seal from a F*rd 460. He said that he is concerned 
about the knurled sealing surface on the crank. He thinks it 
should be polished down to be much finer. I'm not sure if this 
is required or not. He feels that the engine might leak when 
sitting. As the knurling would push the oil away from the seal 
with the engine running he feels that this is would only be a 
possible problem with the engine sitting. The crankshaft grinder 
doesn't think the knurled surface should be a problem with the 
F*rd seal.

Anyone have experience with this?

Jack

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 23:45:19 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?

My wife had a 99 Alero and it was into the dealer several times 
about the intake manifold leaking antifreeze. They replaced the 
coolant tubes, gaskets more than once. Sold it at 80K with can 
of barsleak in it. Seems to be a common problem with the 3.4ltr.

JK  

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:46:23 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Rear main seal

At 11:32 PM 4/19/04 -0400, you wrote:
>My engine is being assembled this week and my machinist has a
>question about the rear main seal. As per the list I had him
>order a seal from a F*rd 460. He said that he is concerned
>about the knurled sealing surface on the crank. He thinks it
>should be polished down to be much finer. I'm not sure if this
>is required or not. He feels that the engine might leak when
>sitting. As the knurling would push the oil away from the seal
>with the engine running he feels that this is would only be a
>possible problem with the engine sitting. The crankshaft grinder
>doesn't think the knurled surface should be a problem with the
>F*rd seal.

I'd be interested to hear, as I just picked up a 460 rear seal for my 455.

But unless you filled the crankcase so that the oil-level is up to the 
centerline of the crankshaft, I don't see how any oil is going to be 
seeping past that main.
________________________________________
Bob Barry           mailto://rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:56:34 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: Rear main seal

Small amount from the main journal. Not much but any is too much.


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Robert Barry
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 12:46 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Rear main seal


At 11:32 PM 4/19/04 -0400, you wrote:
>My engine is being assembled this week and my machinist has a
>question about the rear main seal. As per the list I had him
>order a seal from a F*rd 460. He said that he is concerned
>about the knurled sealing surface on the crank. He thinks it
>should be polished down to be much finer. I'm not sure if this
>is required or not. He feels that the engine might leak when
>sitting. As the knurling would push the oil away from the seal
>with the engine running he feels that this is would only be a
>possible problem with the engine sitting. The crankshaft grinder
>doesn't think the knurled surface should be a problem with the
>F*rd seal.

I'd be interested to hear, as I just picked up a 460 rear seal for my 455.

But unless you filled the crankcase so that the oil-level is up to the 
centerline of the crankshaft, I don't see how any oil is going to be 
seeping past that main.
________________________________________
Bob Barry           mailto://rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer

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Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:23:31 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Mr. Clean Auto Dry - Minority View

"chamois" is correct.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: Mr. Clean Auto Dry - Minority View


> I got your post too. I was gonna reply about the way they spelled "chammy"
I
> could be wrong but I thinm it's spelled "chamois" Just a little curious
> about that. I did ask for the coupon though. Thanks.
> Pat Swanton.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "SteveH" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 9:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Mr. Clean Auto Dry - Minority View
>
>
> > At Sunday, 18 April 2004, you wrote:
> >
> > >Are any of my posts making it to the list?
> >
> > They are; but you've also got your "receipt notification" turned
> > on and THAT POs some folks.
> >
> > Likely, nobody's replied to any yer posts as they had nothing to say.
> >
> > SteveH
> >
> >
> >
> > ===================================================================
> > EASY access to your email http://webmail.dandy.net/mr2/nph-mr.cgi
> > ===================================================================
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 00:20:13 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Rear main seal

Jack,



> He said that he is concerned
> about the knurled sealing surface on the crank. He thinks it
> should be polished down to be much finer.


No.


> He feels that the engine might leak when sitting.


The oil level is not up that high in the oil pan.


> As the knurling would push the oil away from the seal
> with the engine running he feels that this is would only be a
> possible problem with the engine sitting.


Correct, that's the reason for the direction of the knurling. However, the
oil level isn't that far up in the pan. If it were, the crank would be
throwing oil everywhere upon startup, including out the dipstick tube.


> The crankshaft grinder
> doesn't think the knurled surface should be a problem with the
> F*rd seal.


He's right.

What's more important is no oil seep between the parting line surfaces on
the rear main cap where it's exposed on the back of the block. That is a
more likely source of oil seep while the engine is running.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:38:39 -0400
From: "Joe" <w30442@zoominternet.net>
Subject: Quadrajet tuning

Hello,
I replaced the 70 Quadrajet on my 70 455 with a rebuilt 73 Quadrajet unit.
Swapped the metering rods and float inlet  from the old unit into this one.
It fired right up and seems to run fine. Dosen't bog or anything under wot.
I didn't do any adjusting to it at all yet. But, it dosen't seem to have the
same power as the old carb. Can anyone give me a few tips on
adjusting/tuning this new carb.

Thanks
Joe

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 05:31:32 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: Nomad

This is in regard to your article about GM brass
struggling with their little Nomad concept vehicle. 
They seem to think it's cute, but gosh, their focus
groups are panning it, as  though we really need
another retro-Mini wannabe.

Creativity has been stifled at GM for so long...They
should forget the Nomad 1954 concept car and look at
the tri-5 Nomad.  Once they do, even GM execs can see
that they can just modify a 2004 Monte Carlo - add a
tall, long roofline that goes to the rear of the body
with a near vertical hatchback or clamshell lid, and
lots of glass along the way.

I'd buy one!

Regards,
Bill Brooks

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:00:57 -0500
From: "JBS" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Nomad

Sounds like you just described the new Dodge Magnum.....
a wagon that is RWD and does 0-60 in under 6 seconds sounds fun...
Considering the excellent service my hemi ram has giving me, I might have
another DC product in the garage....

the cutlass is getting worried...:)


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Brooks" <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
To: <rkranz@crain.com>
Cc: "oldslist" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 7:31 AM
Subject: Nomad
.
>
> Creativity has been stifled at GM for so long...They
> should forget the Nomad 1954 concept car and look at
> the tri-5 Nomad.  Once they do, even GM execs can see
> that they can just modify a 2004 Monte Carlo - add a
> tall, long roofline that goes to the rear of the body
> with a near vertical hatchback or clamshell lid, and
> lots of glass along the way.
>
> I'd buy one!
>
> Regards,
> Bill Brooks

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:59:11 -0500
From: "Clark, Pat" <PClark@Ignition.com>
Subject: Front end alignment questions

Rebuilt the 69 442 front end this past weekend. Changed out just about
everything. Went and had it aligned afterwards and this is where the
confusion starts. The guys doing the alignment called me to double check the
caster setting. (Disclosure statement: I know ZILCH about front end
settings). We was concerned because the Factory settings were calling out a
negative castor. I told him to set it to what the factory specified. When I
picked up the car, he said that he set it to the specs but it feels
"squirrly" to him. He did say that the rebuild looked great. I drove it home
and noticed these things. 

It seems to want to center up and drift to the right.

Turning left, I get smooth steering action (sounds like an ad slogan)

Turning right, I get an initial resistance, then smooth turns.

Any ideas on this? Could this resistance be caused by any settings or is
something binding up? What does negative castor effect?


Pat Clark
IGNITION INC.
P 972-516-8700
F 972-516-8690

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:06:50 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge/Autometer,works opposite

Kerry,
I'm not really familiar with the resistors and wouldn't know which
resistor(s) to get. Any ideas are welcome. I also have a full tank of gas. I
set the tripometer before every fillup and I can go 300 miles to the next
fill. I have about 280 miles to go.
So I am willing to try a resistor.
Thanks.
Pat Swanton.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Kerry Kroger" <kkroger@birch.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 7:22 PM
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge/Autometer,works opposite


> Yup sorry you will have to use the Autometer sender or the calibration
will
> be off, you could try to recalibrate the stock unit by adding a resistor
in
> parallel to lower the overall resistance but you would be off into
> experimentation if you are into that it might actually be easier to do
than
> dropping the tank to change the sender.....
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 4:02 PM
> Subject: Fuel gauge/Autometer,works opposite
>
>
> >
> >
> > Hello list,
> > I've been reading the what Randy Hermson wrote about his fuel gauge
> problems
> > in hopes for a cure for mine. It is a '78 Cutlass, stock tank and
sender,
> > Auto Meter fuel gauge. My problem is, when I fill it up, 18 gallons, the
> > gauge only reads 3/4's full. I was told by someone else that I need to
> > change my stock sender. Can anyone else verify this?
> > Thank you.
> > Pat Swanton.
> >
> >
> >
>

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:12:49 -0400
From: "Eric Holcombe" <eholcombe@engineeringservicesgroup.com>
Subject: RE: Nomad

<a wagon that is RWD and does 0-60 in under 6 seconds sounds fun...


Hey! Yeah, how about a new Vista Cruiser with a.....oh wait...Olds is dead.

I might just get a Magnum for spite...


Eric Holcombe

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:46:02 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: Rear main seal

Milton 

didn't think it would be a problem. He felt that the 
knurling is more aggressive than on other cranks. His 
concern is more that the oil in the galleries after 
shutting down might weep a little.  

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
Systems, Inc.
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 3:20 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Rear main seal


Jack,



> He said that he is concerned
> about the knurled sealing surface on the crank. He thinks it
> should be polished down to be much finer.


No.


> He feels that the engine might leak when sitting.


The oil level is not up that high in the oil pan.


> As the knurling would push the oil away from the seal
> with the engine running he feels that this is would only be a
> possible problem with the engine sitting.


Correct, that's the reason for the direction of the knurling. However, the
oil level isn't that far up in the pan. If it were, the crank would be
throwing oil everywhere upon startup, including out the dipstick tube.


> The crankshaft grinder
> doesn't think the knurled surface should be a problem with the
> F*rd seal.


He's right.

What's more important is no oil seep between the parting line surfaces on
the rear main cap where it's exposed on the back of the block. That is a
more likely source of oil seep while the engine is running.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 06:42:10 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Quadrajet tuning

> Hello,
> I replaced the 70 Quadrajet on my 70 455 with a rebuilt 73 Quadrajet unit.
> Swapped the metering rods and float inlet  from the old unit into this one.
> It fired right up and seems to run fine. Dosen't bog or anything under wot.
> I didn't do any adjusting to it at all yet. But, it dosen't seem to have the
> same power as the old carb. Can anyone give me a few tips on
> adjusting/tuning this new carb.

Did you swap the primary jets as well?

Kevin 

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 08:59:32 -0500
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: RE: Quadrajet tuning

I'm listening very closely to this thread, because I have been doing some quadrajet tuning and have not gotten exactly where I want to be.

I will offer what limited knowledge I have though, and wait for Milton and others to chime in.  

First off, what are the numbers off of the 2 carbs? This is stamped vertically on the passenger side of the body, and should read something like 7040251.  When you swapped the secondary metering rods, did you swap the hangers?  You say the car does not have as much power as it used to.  Does you mean at part throttle or wide open throttle?

There is likely a difference in the primary rods and jets of the 2 carbs but that may or may not have an effect depending on what you are talking about.

If you don't want to get into the carb and would like to make a simple change, you could try adjusting the spring wrap on the secondary butterfly valves.  This is a simple adjustment.  Since you are not experiencing any bog, try loosening the wrap in 1/8 turn increments, until you notice a bog when you floor it.  Take note of performance at each setting.  You can also try changing the secondary rod hangers.  Then go through the spring wrap adjustment again.  It helps if you have a place where you can repeatedly make a full throttle run, and make an adjustment, without attracting the attention of the police.   I use the access road to Hwy 75 near my house.  No need to ever exceed 45 MPH anyway.

Good luck and report back with your results.

     mike

Mike Schlottman
Sr. Systems Administrator
Society of Petroleum Engineers
222 Palisades Creek Drive 
Richardson, TX 75083
972-952-9382


 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Joe [mailto:w30442@zoominternet.net]
 > Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 6:39 AM
 > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 > Subject: Quadrajet tuning
 > 
 > 
 > Hello,
 > I replaced the 70 Quadrajet on my 70 455 with a rebuilt 73 
 > Quadrajet unit.
 > Swapped the metering rods and float inlet  from the old unit 
 > into this one.
 > It fired right up and seems to run fine. Dosen't bog or 
 > anything under wot.
 > I didn't do any adjusting to it at all yet. But, it dosen't 
 > seem to have the
 > same power as the old carb. Can anyone give me a few tips on
 > adjusting/tuning this new carb.
 > 
 > Thanks
 > Joe
 > 
 > 
 > 

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:50:18 -0500
From: "JBS" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: what's in a name

is it 200r4 or 2004r

Doing a google search on both reveals the same 4 speed auto, but under
different names...

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:41:23 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: 1970 442

Congrats Ian, you have a noble steed to resurect.  It sounds like you have 
all the parts to keep it close to original should you go that way and what 
you don't have is pretty much available now.



Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser





>From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Subject: 1970 442
>Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2004 14:53:02 -0500
>
>We've got a new baby in the form of a rusty (but #'s matching) 1970 442.
>The car is sold to us by its first owner, and he has the original bill
>of sale, and build-sheet - the car has 67,000 original miles on it.  The
>car is equipped with the W-25 option list, 455, 4-spd Muncie, a set of
>Cragar dish mags (hum), decent Hooker headers (ah), Holley 750
>double-pumper carb, broken OAI, 3.42 anti-spin diff, only 1 original
>wheel.  The drivetrain is in decent shape, but the body and interior
>will take some work to get everything right.  Hasn't been driven for a
>couple of years.  The original exh manifolds, etc are included.
>
>Exciting times.  We should be able to pick her up next Thursday.  Will
>mail out pics to anyone interested next week.
>
>On digest - so contact me directly.
>Ian
>

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:38:41 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: what's in a name

At 09:50 AM 04/20/2004 -0500, JBS wrote:
>is it 200r4 or 2004r
>
>Doing a google search on both reveals the same 4 speed auto, but under
>different names...
>
It is, as I've been told, a 200-4R... many people tend to mistakenly write
it as 200-R4, as have I on numerous occasions.  Probably because the 700
trans is written 700-R4.

I forgot who it was on this list who originally corrected me on this!  :)


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:28:24 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Silhouette/Transport/etc Turn Signal Problem

>By the way, the parts guy gave me 3057 bulbs instead
>of 3157 (as called for in the manual) - he said
>there's no difference. I didn't take them, but I am
>curious...is there any difference?

Certainly; otherwise they wouldn't bother to set up a separate 
industry-standard interchange number to distinguish between the existing 
3057 and the 3157. However, they _may_ be close enough in performance that 
they're interchangeable in common use.

This Sylvania website is very useful for bulb lookups and specs:

http://www.sylvania.com/auto/carapp/

<rant>
My teeth hurt every time some idiot behind the counter says "There's no 
difference" in a situation like this. Of _course_ there's a difference if 
two parts under the same numbering system are showing two different numbers; 
they're just too lazy to find out _what_ the difference is. It may be 
negligible, or it may not be; they should find out which is the case, not 
just claim that there's no difference at all.
</rant>

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 16:35:01 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Anyone done [an intake manifold gasket] on a '96 Silhouette?

>Sold it at 80K with can of barsleak in it. Seems to be a common problem
>with the 3.4ltr.

Would it be reasonable to try a can of Bar's Leak in this thing, or do I 
risk making things worse instead of better?

I'm skeptical of additives in general (and don't even get me started on 
Slick 50 :-) but I have to admit that a can of Bar's Leak did an amazing 
(and permanent) job of sealing a hole punched in the radiator of my old '71 
Austin America by raod debris many years ago, while I was on the road 
somewhere and needed an emergency roadside fix.

But the coolant passages, etc., of the 3.4L V6 are not the same as the old 
Austin, and we're talking about an intake manifold gasket here, not a 
radiator, so I'd like a little more consensus on this before adding Bar's 
Leak. Horror stories or praise welcome...

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 09:58:25 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Harmonic Balancer Bolt

> On my old '72 LeMans, there were some counterbalancing holes in the edge
of
> the balancer, into one of which I dropped a 5/32" socket on a 1/4"-drive
> ratchet handle, and swung the handle around to jam it against the block.
> This locked the engine solidly enough that I could crack loose the
balancer
> bolt.


That can be dangerous if those holes are in the outer rubber mounted
harmonic ring. You could break the ring loose and destroy the harmonic
balancer. If there is a crank balance mass on the back side of the center
nub of the harmonic balancer that has balance holes in it, one could use
those holes, but don't use any holes in the outer ring.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 10:11:14 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Fuel gauge/Autometer,works opposite

I've never seen a stock sending unit work with an aftermarket fuel gauge
like a Stewart Warner or Autometer. But there is another problem. The sender
units for SW and Autometer are designed for use in square or round fuel
tanks. The non-regular shapes of most OEM gas tanks will throw off the way
the aftermarket sender reads to fuel level. I have a SW fuel gauge in
Thunder and had to use the SW sender in her gas tank. To get even a remotely
accurate reading, I mounted the sender in the very top center of the gas
tank, which means there's a hole cut in the trunk floor to access the
sender. Then, automotive sealing putty is placed between the top of the gas
tank and the bottom of the trunk floor to keep crap out of the trunk. It
works, it's not necessarily pretty, and the gas tank sender is still only
about 75% accurate. Over time with use, I have learned to understand what
the fuel gauge indication means as to fuel load status.

If I had it to do all over again, I would figure out a way to incorporate
the stock fuel gauge into her custom dash panel. The SW or Autometer gauge
isn't worth the aggravation.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 2:02 PM
Subject: Fuel gauge/Autometer,works opposite


>
>
> Hello list,
> I've been reading the what Randy Hermson wrote about his fuel gauge
problems
> in hopes for a cure for mine. It is a '78 Cutlass, stock tank and sender,
> Auto Meter fuel gauge. My problem is, when I fill it up, 18 gallons, the
> gauge only reads 3/4's full. I was told by someone else that I need to
> change my stock sender. Can anyone else verify this?
> Thank you.
> Pat Swanton.
>
>

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