
oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, March 4 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4803



Re: more FWD vs RWD 3.8L
Re: Az. car show and my 455 photos
Re: sqeaky belts
Re: Az. car show and my 455 photos
small to big block swap plus header confusion
Re: Az. car show and my 455 photos
Re: small to big block swap plus header confusion
Re: small to big block swap plus header confusion
Re: small to big block swap plus header confusion
squeeky belts
Re: sqeaky belts
Re: sqeaky belts
Re: small to big block swap plus header confusion
Re: Mass. Emissions
Re: Perfect Circle vs. Moog
Re: small to big block swap plus header confusion
Re: Perfect Circle vs. Moog
Re: squeeky belts
Fisher Body Manuals
Re: Fisher Body Manuals
joke parts site
RE: Fisher Body Manuals
Cloyes hex adjust chain
Re: joke parts site
Re: Fisher Body Manuals
Re: Mass. Emissions [getting way OT]
Front Lower Control Arms
Motor mounts

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:33:56 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Amadei <amadei@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: more FWD vs RWD 3.8L

On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 KS7RACING@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 3/2/04 7:05:42 PM Central Standard Time,
> king_v@mindless.com writes:
> -- Actually, I'd planned to keep it N/A, and not bother with supercharging.
> I just want to see how a standard, 150 horse 3.8L FI would feel in a RWD
> G-body.

The NA 3.8L is 205hp, IIRC... at least the last few years.  My '81 3.8 is
something like 145hp... big difference.

					----Steve
Stephen Amadei
Dandy.NET!  CTO/CSO
Atlantic City, NJ

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 18:54:35 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Az. car show and my 455 photos

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Hey Mark,

I am sure you saw me   I was the guy who looked like a NY'er

: )

Vinny

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 19:57:49 -0500
From: Joe Vitek <joevitek@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: sqeaky belts

"Infinite Space Systems, Inc." wrote:
> 
> I understand the problem with differential side pull for the accessory
> belts, but...engines that are *only* equipped with an alternator, one side
> pull only, don't have a belt squeal problem.

Yes, but I don't think that was what we had here with this thread. The
original poster said that he had more than one belt, hence my earlier
reasoning. He had A/C too, which means (probably) power steering too. I would
bet that he had the same problem as I did.

- --
joe vitek

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 18:06:03 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: Az. car show and my 455 photos

Ahhh... NewYorker, Phoenix, February..... You would be the guy in bermuda 
shorts, flip flops, tank top and sunglasses?



At 06:54 PM 3/3/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey Mark,
>
>I am sure you saw me   I was the guy who looked like a NY'er
>
>: )
>
>Vinny

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 16:30:00 -1000
From: "Christopher Brown" <Olds-Supreme72@hawaii.rr.com>
Subject: small to big block swap plus header confusion

Hello all,

After my computer being down due to a nightmare forced move I am back, and
over the last couple weeks some things have come up.

Im looking at swapping my 350 for a 455, Ive looked at the FAQ, but was
wondering if there were any recent experiences/nightmares, and any pointers,
i.e. what CAN'T I keep from the 350.

The second thing is, Ive been looking at headers, both for the 350 and the
prospective 455, the car is a 72 Supreme, and a couple of companies state
that their headers wont fit the car.  I'm wondering if this is a farce, as I
thought they were the same chassis, and if its not a farce, why wont the
headers fit.

Thanks,

Chris Brown
72 Cutlass Supreme

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:03:00 EST
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Az. car show and my 455 photos

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In a message dated 3/3/2004 8:31:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
mark@marineaviation.org writes:
Ahhh... NewYorker, Phoenix, February..... You would be the guy in bermuda 
shorts, flip flops, tank top and sunglasses?
Not even close...

I was the guy with the "big black shiny hair" wearing a sweat shirt.

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Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 19:43:47 -0800
From: geo.aigel@netzero.net
Subject: Re: small to big block swap plus header confusion

Chris:

There is no difference in the exhaust between the supreme and the other 
body styles. It is an urban legend that made it into parts books. It makes 
absolutely no sense. I have both, a supreme and a coupe. There is no 
difference.

Cheers, George

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:58:55 -0500
From: "Daniel R. Gerow" <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: Re: small to big block swap plus header confusion

Hi Chris,

If I've learned *anything* from my time spent with these gentlemen it's the
good old "Cutlass Supreme has an offset engine" story.  I cannot recall the
chronicle of this wive's tale (perhaps someone could re-enlighten me/us) but
I know that no matter what header manufacturer you speak to, they will tell
you their products will not fit a Supreme model Olds because it has some
type of "offset" engine...riiiight.  It is indeed a farce to even think this
would be so.  Get yourself a decent set of headers and they will fit.

  ~ Dan

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 Post 4spd
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 22:14:01 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: small to big block swap plus header confusion

Chris B.,

> Im looking at swapping my 350 for a 455, Ive looked at the FAQ, but was
> wondering if there were any recent experiences/nightmares, and any
pointers,
> i.e. what CAN'T I keep from the 350.


If you've looked at the FAQ, then you know about using the appropriate steel
engine pads on the frame and rubber engine mounts. Otherwise, it's a bolt
in. Do you have accessory brackets for the 455 to mount the existing
accessories off the 350 onto the 455? Some of the 350 brackets are the same,
and some will be different due to the increased deck height of the 455 over
the 350. For '72, I don't know which ones are different. For '64-'67, I
know.


> The second thing is, Ive been looking at headers, both for the 350 and the
> prospective 455, the car is a 72 Supreme, and a couple of companies state
> that their headers wont fit the car.


It's a stupid urban legend perpetuated by egos. All Supremes and Cutlasses
are the same. If it's a header for a '72 Olds A-body with a 455 Olds engine,
the header will fit. Try Hooker and KOOKs for the best headers. Stay with
either a 1 3/4" or 1 7/8" diameter primary tube, around 32-36" long. Run 3"
exhaust pipes off the collectors into 3" inlet mufflers and use 2 1/2" tail
pipes off the 2 1/2" outlets from the mufflers.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 06:02:07 -0500
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: squeeky belts

  snip Also tighten the power steering belt. Was the AC on one side of 
the engine
and the alternator and power steering on the other side? If so, when you
removed the AC, that side's lateral tension went away, which very slightly
lossen the belts on the other side. Also, the engine cleaning caused a
contact friction loss.

Hi all
    Not trying to start an argument here but this confuses me. I have 
seen many cars whose compressor locked up and smoked or the owner 
removed the a/c belt with no resulting problem except of course no cold 
air so I fail to understand the lateral tension theory
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 06:12:18 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: sqeaky belts

> > I understand the problem with differential side pull for the accessory
> > belts, but...engines that are *only* equipped with an alternator, one
side
> > pull only, don't have a belt squeal problem.
>
> Yes, but I don't think that was what we had here with this thread. The
> original poster said that he had more than one belt, hence my earlier
> reasoning. He had A/C too, which means (probably) power steering too. I
would
> bet that he had the same problem as I did.

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I think the issue here is the late 307 belt layout that was designed with
A/C as an integral part of the system.  The alternator belt only hits the
water pump and the alternator.  The PS belt hits the crank and the PS pump.
The A/C belt hits the A/C compressor, the crank and the water pump (and the
AIR pump in some applications).  This was done to increase the belt contact
area on the alternator.  The system works fine as a whole, but you need both
the AC and PS belts in place to prevent squeal.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 07:09:24 -0500
From: Joe Vitek <joevitek@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: sqeaky belts

Fred Nissen wrote:
> 
> I think the issue here is the late 307 belt layout that was designed with
> A/C as an integral part of the system.  The alternator belt only hits the
> water pump and the alternator.  The PS belt hits the crank and the PS pump.
> The A/C belt hits the A/C compressor, the crank and the water pump (and the
> AIR pump in some applications).  This was done to increase the belt contact
> area on the alternator.  The system works fine as a whole, but you need both
> the AC and PS belts in place to prevent squeal.

Thanks Fred, that is ezactly what I should have said from the beginning.
Earlier versions of Olds engines didn't see this problem for the
aforementioned reasons. The original poster is on the G-list too and as I
recall, is talking about a 307.

- --
joe vitek

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:33:48 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: small to big block swap plus header confusion

Hey List,

        It has been mentioned before many times, but you must use BB frame
perches as well as BB engine mounts. If not, they headers won't fit
properly.
And yes, the "offset" story is just a myth.

The General       patton442@verizon.net

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 05:54:50 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Mass. Emissions

The more I hear from y'all, the happier I am to be in Texas...
How do you people stand to live in such expensive, crowded, restrictive 
environments?

krw
On Mar 3, 2004, at 5:49 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:40:49 -0500
> From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
> Subject: Mass. Emissions
>
> NO emissions testing on cars made before 1984. Safety inspection annual
> for $30. Tires, blinkers, horn, wipers, etc. Takes about 10 minutes.
>
> The cost of living is very high. Average new home price is about
> $400,000. The town that I live in has house lots at about $200,000, and
> new homes starting at $500,000. THANK GOD I built mine in
> 1978........The closer you get to Boston, the more expensive the houses
> are. I live about 35 miles form the city. If my house was 10 miles
> closer, it probably would be over a million dollars. So, property taxes
> are high as well. Most folks here pay at least $4000 per year.
>
> Lots of high tech jobs in the metro Boston area. The best schools,
> colleges, and hospitals.
>
> Traffic is pretty bad.
>
> NH, RI, VT, Conn. are less expensive and less congested. Don't know
> about emissions.
>
> CT police are the worst. Don't speed in that state!!!!!
>
> Paul Tumolo
> 1970 442 hardtop
> OCA # 31967

On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 07:21:56 -0600
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Perfect Circle vs. Moog

On Mar 3, 2004, at 5:49 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 00:09:15 -0700
> From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> Subject: Re: Perfect Circle vs. Moog
>
>> Speaking of all this  . . .  anyone know of a company making  
>> front-end and
>> chassis parts known as Falcon, or maybe as Autodrive?  How are they,
>> quality-wise?
>>
>> Reason I ask is that, at the parts store I work at, we carry
>> Falcon/Autodrive, which uses the same part numbers as Moog.
>>
>> However, when something's out of stock (ie: none of our stores nor our
>> warehouse have it), we wind up getting the Moog parts.
>
>
> I ran a web search on Falcon and Autodrive. I seemed to get an  
> indication
> that Autodrive was owned by Federal-Mogul, which also owns MOOG, but I
> couldn't verify it at the FM website. Falcon and Autodrive could be a
> private label made by MOOG, but I don't know. Sealed Power chassis  
> parts are
> made by MOOG and FM owns both MOOG and Sealed Power.

According to this press release:  
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m4PRN/2003_Feb_14/97630788/p1/ 
article.jhtml
Federal Mogul does make Autodrive. I noticed that brand when looking on  
O'Reilly's site for Moog stuff. Dunno if there's any difference, guess  
I'll have to find a part that both brands are in stock at the local  
store and compare. The Autodrive bits are listed under the "Moog"  
header when you look up parts on the website.
As Milton said, searching for "autodrive" on F-M's site yields nothing,  
but Google came through with this (which, incidentally, reinforces my  
belief that most private website searches are worthless - use Google's  
advanced mode and search only in the domain of the website):  
http://www.federal-mogul.com/cda/content/front/0,2194,2442_4922,00.html  
(a list of current F-M publications which includes the AutoDrive  
Chassis catalog)
FWIW, Bower/BCA is also a F-M brand, too.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                          
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                              
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans:  
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31!  
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be  
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 08:38:10 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: small to big block swap plus header confusion

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In a message dated 3/3/2004 9:56:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
Olds-Supreme72@hawaii.rr.com writes:
The second thing is, Ive been looking at headers, both for the 350 and the
prospective 455,
I just put Thorley Headers on my '72 350. They fit perfectly, tuck in nice 
and tight. Ceramic coated inside and out $539 from Summit Racing.


Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92 Eldo

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 10:50:02 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Perfect Circle vs. Moog

<snipped all relation between Falcon/Autodrive, Moog, and Federal Mogul stuff>

Ok, thanks for the info guys.

I think thus far the only weirdness we've ever run into with the
Falcon/Autodrive stuff is that sometimes a part, under the "ball joint"
category, will be a combination ball-joint with control arm as a single piece.

Usually, the two will match, but on occasion, the equivalent
Falcon/Autodrive one will just be the ball joint alone.  I think this is
only for one or two part numbers though, but I don't recall which one(s).

I'd say that the Falcon/Autodrive stuff looks decent by my eyeballs, but I
have no real point of reference.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:19:22 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: squeeky belts

John,

> so I fail to understand the lateral tension theory


With accessories to the left and the right of the water pump/crank pulleys,
there will be in tension forces pulling both directions with the belts
tightened. Nominally, with no play in the water pump bearing, it won't
matter if the tension force on one side is removed. But if there is a slight
amount of play in the water pump bearing, the removing of one side's tension
force could cause the belt(s) to slightly relax on the opposite side, *if*
the side where the tension force is removed is the side where the belt(s)
were tightened first originally.

Given this belt order:
rear belt = alternator
middle belt = AC
forward belt = power steering

Given this accessory placement:
AC = right
Alternator and power steering = left

Example, with slight play in water pump bearing:
1) Tighten AC belt first, then tighten the other 2. Remove AC belt, and the
other 2 could slip slightly.
2) Tighten alternator and power steering first, then tighten AC. Remove AC
belt, and the other 2 *will not* slip.
3) Tighten either the alternator or power steering first. Tighten AC next.
Tighten remaining belt last. Remove the AC belt, and the other 2 will
probably not slip.

Variation:
'64-'67 Olds puts the AC to the right, the alternator above the front of the
intake manifold, and the power steering to the left, opposite the AC. With
all belts tight in any order, remove the AC belt. The other 2 belts will
probably not slip, due to the upward force vector from the alternator belt.
'68-'72 Olds puts the AC to the right, the alternator directly opposite on
the left, and the power steering immediately below the alternator. That's
where the problem with AC belt removal will most likely occur, because the
tension forces involved are almost exactly opposite each other. A double
belt AC drive will load even more tension force to the right side.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:30:08 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: Fisher Body Manuals

Hi everybody,

The 1967, 1968, and 1969 Fisher Body Manuals are finally back in stock after
several months of being on backorder. I do have some outstanding orders and
will check with those people who have been patiently waiting thus far. Of
course there are also more where these came from.

1966 is still not available, and 1970-72 have gone up in price
(unfortunately it's that time of year).

Thank you,
John Nasta
Old Car Network
http://oldcarnetwork.com

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 13:42:41 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Fisher Body Manuals

Hi John,
Are there any manuals for '78? If so, how much, and can I get one?
Thank You.
Pat.
swannys78@adelphia.net




- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
To: "Olds Mailing List" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 1:30 PM
Subject: Fisher Body Manuals


> Hi everybody,
>
> The 1967, 1968, and 1969 Fisher Body Manuals are finally back in stock
after
> several months of being on backorder. I do have some outstanding orders
and
> will check with those people who have been patiently waiting thus far. Of
> course there are also more where these came from.
>
> 1966 is still not available, and 1970-72 have gone up in price
> (unfortunately it's that time of year).
>
> Thank you,
> John Nasta
> Old Car Network
> http://oldcarnetwork.com
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:03:27 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: joke parts site

Does anybody remember the URL of that phony parts site that lists things
like Knutson valves and other mythical parts?

Also, how do you search the archives of this list? I don't seem to have a
bookmark for it, and I could probably find it that way.

Thanks,
John Nasta

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 14:09:57 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Fisher Body Manuals

Hi Pat,

Sorry, I don't know of one being available for 1978.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of swanny
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 1:43 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Fisher Body Manuals

Hi John,
Are there any manuals for '78? If so, how much, and can I get one?
Thank You.
Pat.
swannys78@adelphia.net




- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
To: "Olds Mailing List" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 1:30 PM
Subject: Fisher Body Manuals


> Hi everybody,
>
> The 1967, 1968, and 1969 Fisher Body Manuals are finally back in stock
after
> several months of being on backorder. I do have some outstanding orders
and
> will check with those people who have been patiently waiting thus far. Of
> course there are also more where these came from.
>
> 1966 is still not available, and 1970-72 have gone up in price
> (unfortunately it's that time of year).
>
> Thank you,
> John Nasta
> Old Car Network
> http://oldcarnetwork.com
>
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 16:38:20 -0300
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Cloyes hex adjust chain

Hi all,
We are just in the proces of puting this one onto the 468. Any experience
about to share?
The small pinion has 3 positions: rectangular - round and triangular shape
of the cut for the crank key.
I guess this is to advance - straight- retard position of the cam. The fine
part of the regulation is attained by the dispalcement of the excentric for
the fuel pump. I've lost the explanations sheet from Cloyes... any clues to
install it straight to begin with? I think the rectangular cut should be the
0 position...
TIA
Matt

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Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 13:40:18 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <oldsmagnet@oldsmagnet.com>
Subject: Re: joke parts site

> Does anybody remember the URL of that phony parts site that lists things
> like Knutson valves and other mythical parts? 

Must be this one
http://www.kalecoauto.com/
Although that stuff's all real, isn't it???  LOL :-)

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:12:33 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Fisher Body Manuals

> Hi John,
> Are there any manuals for '78? If so, how much, and can I get one?
> Thank You.
> Pat.

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If you don't mind service tested, I probably have a few spares.  Hit me
privately.

fsnissen@worldnet.att.net

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 17:49:05 -0500 (EST)
From: Stephen Amadei <amadei@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Mass. Emissions [getting way OT]

On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Kevin Wright wrote:

> The more I hear from y'all, the happier I am to be in Texas...

You must not live near Galvaston... I heard the inspections there are
strict, too.

> How do you people stand to live in such expensive, crowded, restrictive
> environments?

Well, actually, I live in the geographic center of the North East
Metropolitan area... just outside of the pine barrens (No, I am NOT a
piney).  They aren't called barrens because they are crowded... and it's
not all that expensive.  Perhaps compared to Bupyong, Korea, but not in
the US.  But we do get stuck with oppressive laws and inspections because
of the other end of Jersey.

I'm not knocking other areas of the country (except Cali... ;-) ), because
they're nice to visit the great open spaces, but I can't imagine living
100 plus miles from a major city.

Then again, one day it might get urban in the pines... and I'll have to
find a better place.

					----Steve
Stephen Amadei
Dandy.NET!  CTO/CSO
Atlantic City, NJ

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 18:10:51 EST
From: ChazToone@aol.com
Subject: Front Lower Control Arms

Hi List,

Does anyone know the part numbers for both front lower control arms?  Also, 
will arms from 64-72 Chevelles, El Camino's... fit my '71 Cutlass Supreme?

Thanks,

Charlie Toone
OCA Member# 22915
1971 Cutlass Supreme Convertible
1972 H/O (w/sunroof) - for a short while
1966 F-85 - my first car - long gone
ChazToone@aol.com
http://hometown.aol.com/chaztoone/myhomepage/index.html

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Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 19:24:06 EST
From: MrExMt@aol.com
Subject: Motor mounts

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I'm in need of a pair of motor mounts for my '70 Cutlass Supreme w/ a 455.
Can anyone tell me who or where to get them from please. 
Thank you
Leigh Tenenholtz

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