
oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, April 1 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4840



Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!
Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!
Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes
Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!
Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!
Looking back and looking ahead...
RE: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]
RE: Beemers [was: Dealing with Generous Motors]
Re: Looking back and looking ahead...
Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!
RE: More Dyno Stuff
RE: More Dyno Stuff
Re: Looking back and looking ahead...
No ill intent
need Dr. Decal's contact info

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:40:04 -0400 (AST)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!

You seem to have the worst luck this time of year... BTW, I've sold my
Cutlass and Intrigue and bought a Mustang... guess the list will have to
change over to that brand soon... ;-)

Happy April 1st to all!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:37:05 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!

At the shop wether it be head gaskets, intake gaskets, new carb, injectors,
anything to do with fuel, there is always a fire extinguisher on hand as a
rule of thumb.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:09 AM
Subject: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!


> New 350 all F’d up
> Got the new 350 “fired up” at long last today. Took _all day_  just to get
> it fitted with a lower radiator hose that does NOT hit on the frame/ idler
> arm. Checked for spark, all is well, primed the carb with 110 Octane, and
> she fired right up.
>
> Ran pretty good for a minute, then began to sputter. I noticed fuel coming
> out of the carb [newly rebuilt, but been on the shelf for about 30 years…]
> Stuck float. Well, of course, the fan was blowing the fuel right back onto
> the… distributor. Before I could get into the car to shut her down, the
> gasoline caught fire. :-(
>
> I ran to the house to get the fire extinguisher, but it was out of
pressure.
> By the time I found the other fire extinguisher, the fire was well under
> way. The car will probably be a total loss, new engine and all. Just when
I
> was thinking that this could not possibly get any worse, that it must be
> some sort of bad dream, I remembered that it is very likely that reports
> like that just have to be taken with a big, fat grain of salt on the first
> of April…
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now!
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>

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:39:30 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes

some said the bfg euro tires are better i think it was steve or better known as  syntechoil.
ron  
> To get good BFGs, you need to use the BFG Comp T/A radials. The rest of the
> BFG T/As are just Mom & Pop tires.
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes
> 
> 
> > My 245/45ZR17 and 255/45ZR17 tires on my '87 ride no worse than my old
> piece
> > of junk BFG's and 14" stock wheels.
> >
> > I just noticed this for a fact as I had to swap out my 17's for the old
> 14's
> > to take the car down to a friends house so that he could start on the
> > bodywork and paint.
> > The only thing I did notice is" 1) The stock rims/tires make the car look
> > really knock-kneed, 2) the 14's didn't ride any softer than the 17's and
> 3)
> > the 17's absolutely help the car stay flat in the turns compared to the
> > 14's.
> >
> > And the 255/45 Yokohama A520's get a lot better traction than the BFG's
> > also! :)
> >
> > Andrew Geeting

> > geeting@woh.rr.com
> > '87 Cutlass Supreme 461
> > '98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
> > http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf
> >
> > > Ahh, yes . . .  it was once described to me that 35 to 45 series tires
> > give
> > > a ride that is akin to riding on solid rock.
> > >
> > > Not speaking from personal experience, though....
> > >
> > >
> > > - Joe Vahabzadeh
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:46:05 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!

its chris, so read carefuly then decide if its a APRILE joke or if it happened.
ron
> At the shop wether it be head gaskets, intake gaskets, new carb, injectors,
> anything to do with fuel, there is always a fire extinguisher on hand as a
> rule of thumb.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:09 AM
> Subject: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!
> 
> 
> > New 350 all F’d up
> > Got the new 350 “fired up” at long last today. Took _all day_  just to get
> > it fitted with a lower radiator hose that does NOT hit on the frame/ idler
> > arm. Checked for spark, all is well, primed the carb with 110 Octane, and
> > she fired right up.
> >
> > Ran pretty good for a minute, then began to sputter. I noticed fuel coming
> > out of the carb [newly rebuilt, but been on the shelf for about 30 years…]
> > Stuck float. Well, of course, the fan was blowing the fuel right back onto
> > the… distributor. Before I could get into the car to shut her down, the
> > gasoline caught fire. :-(
> >

> > I ran to the house to get the fire extinguisher, but it was out of
> pressure.
> > By the time I found the other fire extinguisher, the fire was well under
> > way. The car will probably be a total loss, new engine and all. Just when
> I
> > was thinking that this could not possibly get any worse, that it must be
> > some sort of bad dream, I remembered that it is very likely that reports
> > like that just have to be taken with a big, fat grain of salt on the first
> > of April…
> > -----------------------
> > Chris Witt
> > 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> > Lansing MI 48911
> >
> > RocketScience442@hotmail.com
> >
> > Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> > Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now!
> > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> >
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 07:53:18 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!

Yeah, I figured he was serious. thats alright though, every joke has it's
day. I would still have felt bad if it really happened tho.

"the yokes on me"
- ----- Original Message -----
From: <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:46 AM
Subject: Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!


> its chris, so read carefuly then decide if its a APRILE joke or if it
happened.
> ron
> > At the shop wether it be head gaskets, intake gaskets, new carb,
injectors,
> > anything to do with fuel, there is always a fire extinguisher on hand as
a
> > rule of thumb.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:09 AM
> > Subject: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!
> >
> >
> > > New 350 all F’d up
> > > Got the new 350 “fired up” at long last today. Took _all day_  just to
get
> > > it fitted with a lower radiator hose that does NOT hit on the frame/
idler
> > > arm. Checked for spark, all is well, primed the carb with 110 Octane,
and
> > > she fired right up.
> > >
> > > Ran pretty good for a minute, then began to sputter. I noticed fuel
coming
> > > out of the carb [newly rebuilt, but been on the shelf for about 30
years…]
> > > Stuck float. Well, of course, the fan was blowing the fuel right back
onto
> > > the… distributor. Before I could get into the car to shut her down,
the
> > > gasoline caught fire. :-(
> > >
>
> > > I ran to the house to get the fire extinguisher, but it was out of
> > pressure.
> > > By the time I found the other fire extinguisher, the fire was well
under
> > > way. The car will probably be a total loss, new engine and all. Just
when
> > I
> > > was thinking that this could not possibly get any worse, that it must
be
> > > some sort of bad dream, I remembered that it is very likely that
reports
> > > like that just have to be taken with a big, fat grain of salt on the
first
> > > of April…
> > > -----------------------
> > > Chris Witt
> > > 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> > > Lansing MI 48911
> > >
> > > RocketScience442@hotmail.com
> > >
> > > Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> > > Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
> > >
> > > _________________________________________________________________
> > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now!
> > > http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/
> > >
> >
> >
>

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:39:36 GMT
From: oldsmagnet@oldsmagnet.com
Subject: Looking back and looking ahead...

Well, they say for every bold plan, there must be a dream to begin with.  I 
suppose mine's no different, I had this dream of being financially stable and 
not having to struggle to get by.  That's remained something of an elusive 
dream, it seems, but one worthy of reaching for nonetheless.  I'd done my best 
to chase that dream, or at least appear to, through my diverse collection of 
Oldsmobiles, and while a large part of me held the collection for mere 
collection's sake, another part of me saw dollar signs growing in each one I'd 
find.  Seems I've grown more aware of their value as time has passed, I can't 
begin to count the number of offers and "is it for sale?" inquiries I've shot 
down.  I've had a number of friends tell me I should contact some folks "back 
home" (for them) because of the bloated values there.  Well, about a month ago, 
a friend moved back from the Spokane area, he'd lived here for a few months 
with his folks while his wife was being... uh... unpleasant...  He went back to 
WA, worked a few months, never got to see his kids ~at all~, and sufferred a 
major back injury.  $25K surgury later, he's OK and mobile, but could easily 
have gone the other way there.  Anyway, he moved back here for a quieter life 
(can't see the kids, ain't no reason to hang around...) so he's saving $$$ by 
living with the parents again.  And telling me about some buddies 'back home' 
he's shown my webpage to.  

Well, after seeing his financial struggle, and knowing the shape ~I'm~ in (past 
due bills everywhere, internet shut down, phones shut off, no TV, etc etc etc) 
I can't even ~begin~ to imagine what a 5 figure surgury would do to me.  My 
back's rough to start with, and hell, I'm a couple years older than this guy.  
Anyway, after much debate and long sleepless nights, I had him contact his 
buddy back in Spokane, guy's got contacts and co-ownerships in some suburb of 
Seattle, and a couple others in California.  They do cars.  One outfit does the 
wild customs like those you see on TV (Pimp my Ride, etc), one does numbers 
matching resto's, and two more do mild customs and rodding.  I saw some of 
their pictures...  damn.  Damn!  Anyway, I get a call at work the next day, 
from his contact (I'll call him James... cuz, uh, that's his name :)  Says he 
looked over my website, and wants to come see me.  Asked if the $2000 listed on 
the Grand Prix's page was correct.  "Yeah, it's negotiable though."  "I'll take 
it - what else ya got?"  

Well things kinda went downhill from there, maybe cuz I just got back from 
lunch after knowingly bouncing a check at McDonalds (Hey, I ~gotta~ eat...  
<sigh>) maybe just the moon phase, I don't know.  But numbers started flowing 
back and forth.  Since then, I've had an extra level of urgency to get my fleet 
living, engine swaps and tranny swaps, and get what I can moving.  

This morning I did the dirty deed.  Call me a sellout if you will, I'll use the 
term myself, but long story short, guy pulls up in a killer Excursion about 2" 
off the ground, with 3 briefcases full of cash and 8 transport trucks and 4 
cargo vans behind him.  Was really quite a sight to see.  (Local newspapers 
thought so, too <sigh>)  This afternoon, I've got a nearly empty shop, and a 95 
Chevy truck.  Everything else will soon be seen in WA and CA, in various forms 
of reincarnations.  After locking down the Rockit, GS, and GN in the cargo 
vans, he gave me one last chance to see them again, in the form of a job 
offer.  ...well, I guess I can't use the excuse of my cars keeping me here 
anymore, and there ain't a whole hell of a lot left for me here anyways, so why 
not.  Sounded like a pretty cool deal, so I said yeah, I'll come out in a month 
or so, and check things out.  At least I'll have enough $$$ to get a decent 
place there and actually have something of a productive go of things.  I guess, 
after all, that was the original dream anyway, so I suppose it'll all work 
out.  But then again, for every dream, there's always that wakeup call, whether 
it's waking up and looking outside to realize all of your dreams got sold down 
the river, or whether you wake up and look at the calender instead to notice 
it's the first of April, and pray that you don't get suckerred in to something 
that couldn't ~possibly~ be true.  (Yeah, ~me~ sell the Rockit???  You ~all~ 
should know me better than ~that~! 
:-)

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:55:19 -0500 
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]

First of all, Goodyear does not even make actual FIA Formula One racing
tires.  The only current manufacturers are Bridgestone and Michelin.

Second, the aspect ratio of a real Formula One racing tire is no where near
a 30 or 40 series tire.  See link:

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/040126/5/whjs.html

I would say it's more like a 70 series tire.

Finally, the Eagle F1 Ultra High Performance Radials are (as the tire
descriptions state) for Ferrari's.  Probably race Ferrari's such as the
Formula One race support series that races identically prepared 355's.  We
all know that anyone that owns a Ferrari is not going to mind shelling out
$700 for tires.

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI
[Die Hard F1 and Oldsmobile Fan]
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Infinite Space Systems, Inc. [mailto:imp@theriver.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:22 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes
> 
> 
> Lets do it again.
> 
> You are confusing the street marketed Eagle F1 with the 
> ***non-DOT*** Eagle
> F1 Ultra High Performance Radial racing tire.
> 
> The Eagle F1 Ultra High Performance Radial racing tire costs 
> about $700.00
> per tire! That's not a street tire!
> 
> If you will go to http://www.racegoodyear.com/ and click on 
> the ***Race***
> Tire Price Catalog, you can go to each category of race tire 
> that Goodyear
> makes. I picked the Eagle F1 Ultra High Performance Radial as 
> an example. F1
> stands for Formula One.
> It *is* a race tire and is *not* DOT approved. Also on the list is:
> the Eagle Dragway Special,
> the Short Track Special,
> the Eagle Asphalt Track Special,
> the Eagle Dirt Track Special,
> the Eagle Sports Car Special - G19,
> the Eagle Sports Car Special - Rain,
> the Vintage Sports Car Special,
> the Eagle Sports Car Radial - G19,
> the Eagle Sports Car Radial Rain - G18,
> and the Showroom Stock D.O.T. Radial.
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:03 AM
> Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes
> 
> 
> > Here it shows it as an ultra-high performance street tire:
> >
> >
> http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyeartireselector/display_tire
.jsp?prodline=
Eagle+F1&mrktarea=Performance
>
> I didn't see the F1 race tire you were talking about.
>
> Andrew Geeting
> geeting@woh.rr.com
> '87 Cutlass Supreme 461
> '98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
> http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf
>
>
> > I'm sorry Bob, those were *not* street tires. If you will go to
> > http://www.racegoodyear.com/ and click on the Race Tire Price Catalog,
you
> > can go to each category of race tire that Goodyear makes. I picked the
> Eagle
> > F1 Ultra High Performance Radial as an example. F1 stands for Formula
One.
> > It *is* a race tire and is *not* DOT approved. Also on the list is:
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:22:45 -0500 
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Beemers [was: Dealing with Generous Motors]

I also recently purchased a E30 series Beemer (1987 325e - 137K miles -
$1,500 from auction) to help offset the terrible gas mileage on my Saturn
VUE and have more money for the Cutlass restoration <blatant Olds subject
matter/off>

That car was produced all over the world in almost the exactly the same
configuration from the early 80's to the early 90's, hence an abundance of
cheap parts.  Between eBay and Bavarian Auto (www.bavauto.com) I've been
able to fix it up into a nice little Autobahn cruiser with decent
acceleration and awesome handling (IRS).

For this type of vehicle, give me German Engineering any day!

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Mullins [mailto:mark@marineaviation.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:05 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
> 
> 
> On the plus side, I recently bought a 1983 BMW 320 with 116K 
> miles.  It has 
> a few minor problems, but parts are fairly reasonable. (for 
> example, I can 
> rebuild the complete front end with all new parts for around 
> $500).  Slamming the car doors and trunk lid (errr, bonnet) 
> sounds like 
> slamming the door on a new car.  Most of the engineering on 
> these things is 
> fantastic.  So far, it's been a very impressive $900 car.
> 
> M
> 
> 
> At 05:34 PM 3/31/2004 -0700, Cliff Simpson wrote:
> >>I sympathize, but trust me when I say that you won't be 
> getting any price 
> >>breaks on complex BMW or Acura parts; that's for sure.
> >
> >True but I won't feel bad pawning off the dying Olds to a furrin car 
> >dealership :0  Beside I know people who have furrin cars 
> that and they 
> >don't go "rattle rattle rattle" down the road at 70K.  I can 
> live with 
> >having to replace ABS stuff, alternators, and cruise control 
> before 100K 
> >miles but when the dealer tells you the pistons are wearing 
> out I find 
> >that unacceptable.
> 
> Mark Mullins
> Tucson, Az
> 
> 

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:41:50 -0500
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Looking back and looking ahead...

Now thats a good one lol!!!

paulbunyan

oldsmagnet@oldsmagnet.com wrote:

>Well, they say for every bold plan, there must be a dream to begin with.  I 
>suppose mine's no different, I had this dream of being financially stable and 
>not having to struggle to get by.  That's remained something of an elusive 
>dream, it seems, but one worthy of reaching for nonetheless.  I'd done my best 
>to chase that dream, or at least appear to, through my diverse collection of 
>Oldsmobiles, and while a large part of me held the collection for mere 
>collection's sake, another part of me saw dollar signs growing in each one I'd 
>find.  Seems I've grown more aware of their value as time has passed, I can't 
>begin to count the number of offers and "is it for sale?" inquiries I've shot 
>down.  I've had a number of friends tell me I should contact some folks "back 
>home" (for them) because of the bloated values there.  Well, about a month ago, 
>a friend moved back from the Spokane area, he'd lived here for a few months 
>with his folks while his wife was being... uh... unpleasant...  He went back to 
>WA, worked a few months, never got to see his kids ~at all~, and sufferred a 
>major back injury.  $25K surgury later, he's OK and mobile, but could easily 
>have gone the other way there.  Anyway, he moved back here for a quieter life 
>(can't see the kids, ain't no reason to hang around...) so he's saving $$$ by 
>living with the parents again.  And telling me about some buddies 'back home' 
>he's shown my webpage to.  
>
>Well, after seeing his financial struggle, and knowing the shape ~I'm~ in (past 
>due bills everywhere, internet shut down, phones shut off, no TV, etc etc etc) 
>I can't even ~begin~ to imagine what a 5 figure surgury would do to me.  My 
>back's rough to start with, and hell, I'm a couple years older than this guy.  
>Anyway, after much debate and long sleepless nights, I had him contact his 
>buddy back in Spokane, guy's got contacts and co-ownerships in some suburb of 
>Seattle, and a couple others in California.  They do cars.  One outfit does the 
>wild customs like those you see on TV (Pimp my Ride, etc), one does numbers 
>matching resto's, and two more do mild customs and rodding.  I saw some of 
>their pictures...  damn.  Damn!  Anyway, I get a call at work the next day, 
>from his contact (I'll call him James... cuz, uh, that's his name :)  Says he 
>looked over my website, and wants to come see me.  Asked if the $2000 listed on 
>the Grand Prix's page was correct.  "Yeah, it's negotiable though."  "I'll take 
>it - what else ya got?"  
>
>Well things kinda went downhill from there, maybe cuz I just got back from 
>lunch after knowingly bouncing a check at McDonalds (Hey, I ~gotta~ eat...  
><sigh>) maybe just the moon phase, I don't know.  But numbers started flowing 
>back and forth.  Since then, I've had an extra level of urgency to get my fleet 
>living, engine swaps and tranny swaps, and get what I can moving.  
>
>This morning I did the dirty deed.  Call me a sellout if you will, I'll use the 
>term myself, but long story short, guy pulls up in a killer Excursion about 2" 
>off the ground, with 3 briefcases full of cash and 8 transport trucks and 4 
>cargo vans behind him.  Was really quite a sight to see.  (Local newspapers 
>thought so, too <sigh>)  This afternoon, I've got a nearly empty shop, and a 95 
>Chevy truck.  Everything else will soon be seen in WA and CA, in various forms 
>of reincarnations.  After locking down the Rockit, GS, and GN in the cargo 
>vans, he gave me one last chance to see them again, in the form of a job 
>offer.  ...well, I guess I can't use the excuse of my cars keeping me here 
>anymore, and there ain't a whole hell of a lot left for me here anyways, so why 
>not.  Sounded like a pretty cool deal, so I said yeah, I'll come out in a month 
>or so, and check things out.  At least I'll have enough $$$ to get a decent 
>place there and actually have something of a productive go of things.  I guess, 
>after all, that was the original dream anyway, so I suppose it'll all work 
>out.  But then again, for every dream, there's always that wakeup call, whether 
>it's waking up and looking outside to realize all of your dreams got sold down 
>the river, or whether you wake up and look at the calender instead to notice 
>it's the first of April, and pray that you don't get suckerred in to something 
>that couldn't ~possibly~ be true.  (Yeah, ~me~ sell the Rockit???  You ~all~ 
>should know me better than ~that~! 
>:-)
>
>  
>

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 11:41:18 -0500
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!

Shucks I thought he was serious until the line about the gas flywhing 
onto the engine. At that point I knew it was a fib because I just had 
the smae problem on my Lincoln and the carb just sucked all the gas 
shooting out the top back down into the engine. Good one though :-)

paulbunyan

lol

swannys78@adelphia.net wrote:

>Yeah, I figured he was serious. thats alright though, every joke has it's
>day. I would still have felt bad if it really happened tho.
>
>"the yokes on me"
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <77w30442@comcast.net>
>To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:46 AM
>Subject: Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!
>
>
>  
>
>>its chris, so read carefuly then decide if its a APRILE joke or if it
>>    
>>
>happened.
>  
>
>>ron
>>    
>>
>>>At the shop wether it be head gaskets, intake gaskets, new carb,
>>>      
>>>
>injectors,
>  
>
>>>anything to do with fuel, there is always a fire extinguisher on hand as
>>>      
>>>
>a
>  
>
>>>rule of thumb.
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
>>>To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>>>Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:09 AM
>>>Subject: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>New 350 all F’d up
>>>>Got the new 350 “fired up” at long last today. Took _all day_  just to
>>>>        
>>>>
>get
>  
>
>>>>it fitted with a lower radiator hose that does NOT hit on the frame/
>>>>        
>>>>
>idler
>  
>
>>>>arm. Checked for spark, all is well, primed the carb with 110 Octane,
>>>>        
>>>>
>and
>  
>
>>>>she fired right up.
>>>>
>>>>Ran pretty good for a minute, then began to sputter. I noticed fuel
>>>>        
>>>>
>coming
>  
>
>>>>out of the carb [newly rebuilt, but been on the shelf for about 30
>>>>        
>>>>
>years…]
>  
>
>>>>Stuck float. Well, of course, the fan was blowing the fuel right back
>>>>        
>>>>
>onto
>  
>
>>>>the… distributor. Before I could get into the car to shut her down,
>>>>        
>>>>
>the
>  
>
>>>>gasoline caught fire. :-(
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>I ran to the house to get the fire extinguisher, but it was out of
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>pressure.
>>>      
>>>
>>>>By the time I found the other fire extinguisher, the fire was well
>>>>        
>>>>
>under
>  
>
>>>>way. The car will probably be a total loss, new engine and all. Just
>>>>        
>>>>
>when
>  
>
>>>I
>>>      
>>>
>>>>was thinking that this could not possibly get any worse, that it must
>>>>        
>>>>
>be
>  
>
>>>>some sort of bad dream, I remembered that it is very likely that
>>>>        
>>>>
>reports
>  
>
>>>>like that just have to be taken with a big, fat grain of salt on the
>>>>        
>>>>
>first
>  
>
>>>>of April…
>>>>-----------------------
>>>>Chris Witt
>>>>1303 W. Miller Rd.
>>>>Lansing MI 48911
>>>>
>>>>RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>>Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
>>>>Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>      
>>>
>
>
>  
>

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 09:46:16 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: More Dyno Stuff

> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:33:29 -0500
> From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
> Subject: RE: More Dyno Stuff
> 
> At 11:00 AM 3/31/2004, you wrote:
> >So then how is it that the '72 W-30 was rated 300 hp @ 4700 RPM and
> >410 ft-lbs @ 3200 RPM AT THE REAR WHEELS? Or am I mistaken 
> >as to what SAE Net ratings meant in 1972?
> 
> NET rating is not at the rear wheels, but with the standard 
> corrections 

OK, I want to get clarification on this. I know that currently, in 2004, 
the net ratings are taken at the flywheel with the engine accessories 
installed, but I was under the impression that _in 1972_ the ratings 
were taken at the rear wheels.

In 1970 and earlier, the ratings were gross, then in '71 they changed, 
then in '72 they changed again. This can be seen in the 350-4bbl ratings 
dropping from '70 to '72: 
310 hp in '70
260 hp in '71
200 hp in '72 

And please, please, do not give me the argument that the compression ratio 
drop from '70 to '71 caused that much of a decrease in horsepower. I had 
a '70 Supreme back in high school, and it just barely edged out a friend's 
'71 (both had 350-4bbl and 2.56 rear gears), so I know the rear wheel 
horsepower was very close, even though the official ratings were vastly different.

Does anyone have any info detailing exactly how the ratings were measured in 
that time period? This has come up several times before, and I have never 
gotten what I think is an adequate explanation for the changes over the '70 
to '72 time span.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ 

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:00:45 -0500
From: "Christian Sager" <chris.sager@cox.net>
Subject: RE: More Dyno Stuff

I believe the earlier rating or Gross ratings were taken with no
accessories on the car - just a free-flow exhaust.

They then switched to Net which is simlar to the dyno run - engine on a
stand with accessories but not necessarily with all things attached, no
tranny, no exhaust.

Our current HP ratings take into account all things attached to the
engine as it sits in the car you buy.  There is no calc. for loss of HP
due to tranny, but the flywheel, exact exhaust, intake and the like are
all used to calc. HP.

I may very well be wrong, but this was my understanding.  I bet Milton
knows a bit more.

Christian

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Schopen, Kenneth
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:46 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: More Dyno Stuff

> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:33:29 -0500
> From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
> Subject: RE: More Dyno Stuff
> 
> At 11:00 AM 3/31/2004, you wrote:
> >So then how is it that the '72 W-30 was rated 300 hp @ 4700 RPM and
> >410 ft-lbs @ 3200 RPM AT THE REAR WHEELS? Or am I mistaken 
> >as to what SAE Net ratings meant in 1972?
> 
> NET rating is not at the rear wheels, but with the standard 
> corrections 

OK, I want to get clarification on this. I know that currently, in 2004,

the net ratings are taken at the flywheel with the engine accessories 
installed, but I was under the impression that _in 1972_ the ratings 
were taken at the rear wheels.

In 1970 and earlier, the ratings were gross, then in '71 they changed, 
then in '72 they changed again. This can be seen in the 350-4bbl ratings

dropping from '70 to '72: 
310 hp in '70
260 hp in '71
200 hp in '72 

And please, please, do not give me the argument that the compression
ratio 
drop from '70 to '71 caused that much of a decrease in horsepower. I had

a '70 Supreme back in high school, and it just barely edged out a
friend's 
'71 (both had 350-4bbl and 2.56 rear gears), so I know the rear wheel 
horsepower was very close, even though the official ratings were vastly
different.

Does anyone have any info detailing exactly how the ratings were
measured in 
that time period? This has come up several times before, and I have
never 
gotten what I think is an adequate explanation for the changes over the
'70 
to '72 time span.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ 

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:03:14 -0500 (EST)
From: "Peg O'Connor" <peg@grove.ufl.edu>
Subject: Re: Looking back and looking ahead...

Damn, you *completely* got me on that one, Charley.  Chris Witt I know to
look out for, but you were the sleeper this year!

- ---
Peg O'Connor
Gainesville, FL
1978 Cutlass Calais (back safely at home!)
1986 Cutlass Supreme (RIP)
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham LS


On Thu, 1 Apr 2004, Paul White wrote:

> Now thats a good one lol!!!
>
> paulbunyan
>
> oldsmagnet@oldsmagnet.com wrote:
>
> >Well, they say for every bold plan, there must be a dream to begin with.  I
> >suppose mine's no different, I had this dream of being financially stable and
> >not having to struggle to get by.  That's remained something of an elusive
> >dream, it seems, but one worthy of reaching for nonetheless.  I'd done my best
> >to chase that dream, or at least appear to, through my diverse collection of
> >Oldsmobiles, and while a large part of me held the collection for mere
> >collection's sake, another part of me saw dollar signs growing in each one I'd
> >find.  Seems I've grown more aware of their value as time has passed, I can't
> >begin to count the number of offers and "is it for sale?" inquiries I've shot
> >down.  I've had a number of friends tell me I should contact some folks "back
> >home" (for them) because of the bloated values there.  Well, about a month ago,
> >a friend moved back from the Spokane area, he'd lived here for a few months
> >with his folks while his wife was being... uh... unpleasant...  He went back to
> >WA, worked a few months, never got to see his kids ~at all~, and sufferred a
> >major back injury.  $25K surgury later, he's OK and mobile, but could easily
> >have gone the other way there.  Anyway, he moved back here for a quieter life
> >(can't see the kids, ain't no reason to hang around...) so he's saving $$$ by
> >living with the parents again.  And telling me about some buddies 'back home'
> >he's shown my webpage to.
> >
> >Well, after seeing his financial struggle, and knowing the shape ~I'm~ in (past
> >due bills everywhere, internet shut down, phones shut off, no TV, etc etc etc)
> >I can't even ~begin~ to imagine what a 5 figure surgury would do to me.  My
> >back's rough to start with, and hell, I'm a couple years older than this guy.
> >Anyway, after much debate and long sleepless nights, I had him contact his
> >buddy back in Spokane, guy's got contacts and co-ownerships in some suburb of
> >Seattle, and a couple others in California.  They do cars.  One outfit does the
> >wild customs like those you see on TV (Pimp my Ride, etc), one does numbers
> >matching resto's, and two more do mild customs and rodding.  I saw some of
> >their pictures...  damn.  Damn!  Anyway, I get a call at work the next day,
> >from his contact (I'll call him James... cuz, uh, that's his name :)  Says he
> >looked over my website, and wants to come see me.  Asked if the $2000 listed on
> >the Grand Prix's page was correct.  "Yeah, it's negotiable though."  "I'll take
> >it - what else ya got?"
> >
> >Well things kinda went downhill from there, maybe cuz I just got back from
> >lunch after knowingly bouncing a check at McDonalds (Hey, I ~gotta~ eat...
> ><sigh>) maybe just the moon phase, I don't know.  But numbers started flowing
> >back and forth.  Since then, I've had an extra level of urgency to get my fleet
> >living, engine swaps and tranny swaps, and get what I can moving.
> >
> >This morning I did the dirty deed.  Call me a sellout if you will, I'll use the
> >term myself, but long story short, guy pulls up in a killer Excursion about 2"
> >off the ground, with 3 briefcases full of cash and 8 transport trucks and 4
> >cargo vans behind him.  Was really quite a sight to see.  (Local newspapers
> >thought so, too <sigh>)  This afternoon, I've got a nearly empty shop, and a 95
> >Chevy truck.  Everything else will soon be seen in WA and CA, in various forms
> >of reincarnations.  After locking down the Rockit, GS, and GN in the cargo
> >vans, he gave me one last chance to see them again, in the form of a job
> >offer.  ...well, I guess I can't use the excuse of my cars keeping me here
> >anymore, and there ain't a whole hell of a lot left for me here anyways, so why
> >not.  Sounded like a pretty cool deal, so I said yeah, I'll come out in a month
> >or so, and check things out.  At least I'll have enough $$$ to get a decent
> >place there and actually have something of a productive go of things.  I guess,
> >after all, that was the original dream anyway, so I suppose it'll all work
> >out.  But then again, for every dream, there's always that wakeup call, whether
> >it's waking up and looking outside to realize all of your dreams got sold down
> >the river, or whether you wake up and look at the calender instead to notice
> >it's the first of April, and pray that you don't get suckerred in to something
> >that couldn't ~possibly~ be true.  (Yeah, ~me~ sell the Rockit???  You ~all~
> >should know me better than ~that~!
> >:-)
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:04:47 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: No ill intent

I should have figured there would have been April fools jokes and being as
gullable as I am, I fell for Chris Witts' 04/01/04.
I'm jealous, cuz I don't have one this year, as a matter of fact didn't even
plan for it.....:-) Kudos' far all.


Enjoy the day....
Pat Swanton....

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 12:20:56 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: need Dr. Decal's contact info

Thought I had it, cannot find it
Mark Cornea, Dr. Decal?

I need some decals
Right away
Nice web site, but....

1) no phone # listed
2) no response to request left yesterday for assistance placing an order. 1 
day too fast to expect?

- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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