
oldsmobile-digest        Friday, May 14 2004        Volume 01 : Number 4888



Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???
Re:Over heating at highway speed and the TCS
RE: Over heating at highway speed and the TCS
R12 to R134 startup
Re: Precautions?  Old gas and oil in car...
Re: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???
Re: door interchange
Convertible part needed
RE: FS 1968 Ninety Eight convertible
RE: FS 1968 Ninety Eight convertible
Re: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th
Re: Flexalite fan
ReFWD:RE: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th
Re: Flexalite fan
RE: ReFWD:RE: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th
RE: ReFWD:RE: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th
Re: Name-Brand vs. Non-Name-Brand (was:an intake manifold gasket]  on a '96   Silhouette?
Re: Name-Brand vs. Non-Name-Brand
Re: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th
Re: Gas tank
Re: Precautions?  Old gas and oil in car...
RE: Gas tank
The 98 was Re: Precautions?  Old gas and oil in car...
RE: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th
Re: Precautions?  Old gas and oil in car...
Re: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th
Re: R12 to R134 startup
Re: Flexalite fan

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:11:25 -0500
From: ilo@kwom.com
Subject: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???

List I need your collective help.... should I buy this car I came across?
It is a 1972 Cutlass Conv. 
350 4lbb Auto T-350 Runs great.
Dual exhuast with flowmasters and trumps.
New black exterior. Perfect paint. 
No rust, just a little patch in 1/4, can't tell. No rust in fenders or
doors ever.
Interior is Bucket with console reg. auto. Perfect, no rips like new. No Radio
SS 1 are in great shape, with white letter tires. good tread
Frame had some welding done and it is in good shape. 
Top needs some work, rear glass is missing. The rear glass can be
replaced.  And the
top does not go up. may just need some fluid.
Power drums up front are touchy but work.
I'm familier with the cars history but I want to buy it and
turn around and sell it for more money after I fix it. 
He is asking 6000. I would like to sell it for 10-12k after I'm done 
is that far fetch? Of course if anyone on the list wants it after I'm 
done I would give you a brake on the price.

Thanks guys


James Aiello
70 442
74 98
68 GTO

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:36:01 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Re:Over heating at highway speed and the TCS

Well, it could be a number of things:

1. Is the radiator clean and clog free?
2. Is the shroud in place?
3. How is the thermostatic fan?
4. How do the plugs look? If they are white in color around the tip, it
could be lean.

My bet it is the mechanical advance. This is EXACTLY the problem I
chased for a year. Come to find out that the mechanical advance springs
were allowing too much advance on the highway.

I had the distributor recurved, and the problem went away.

HTH

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:51:50 -0500
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: RE: Over heating at highway speed and the TCS

Radiator is near new and in good shape.  Shrowd is in place.  Clutch and fan are working properly.  I have not looked at the plugs, but I'll do that after I finish my AC project.

I think you may be right about the mechanical advance.  I put some lighter springs on the distributor last year.  I think I have the 2 medium springs in the Accell recurve kit.  I need to buy or borrow a good timing gun with advance and a hand held tach next time I mess with the timing curve.  Last time I was just using the SOTP dyno and the auditor knock sensors. :)

     mike

Mike Schlottman
Sr. Systems Administrator
Society of Petroleum Engineers
222 Palisades Creek Drive 
Richardson, TX 75083
972-952-9382


 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Paul Tumolo [mailto:ptumolo@comcast.net]
 > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 1:36 PM
 > To: Oldsmobile-Digest
 > Subject: Re:Over heating at highway speed and the TCS
 > 
 > 
 > Well, it could be a number of things:
 > 
 > 1. Is the radiator clean and clog free?
 > 2. Is the shroud in place?
 > 3. How is the thermostatic fan?
 > 4. How do the plugs look? If they are white in color around 
 > the tip, it
 > could be lean.
 > 
 > My bet it is the mechanical advance. This is EXACTLY the problem I
 > chased for a year. Come to find out that the mechanical 
 > advance springs
 > were allowing too much advance on the highway.
 > 
 > I had the distributor recurved, and the problem went away.
 > 
 > HTH
 > 
 > Paul Tumolo
 > 1970 442 Hardtop
 > OCA # 31967
 > 
 > 
 > 

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:33:31 -0500
From: "Scott White" <scottwhite98@hotmail.com>
Subject: R12 to R134 startup

Hello all-

After trying thrice to get through with my School e-mail, not being able to 
make it simple text, I've opted to get a new e-mail address. Perhaps I can 
keep the spam down here.

Minnesota still allows the sale of refrigerant, and our local K-mart is 
stocking it.  I might be moving soon to Wisconsin, where it isn't sold off 
the shelf and I wondered if it would be wise to pick some R-134 up before I 
left.

I can get 12oz cans of R-134a for $5.79
R-134 ester oil, 2oz for $3.99
Stop leak detector $4.99
R-134 "high mileage" w/leak sealer $7.49

I've got a '70 Cutlass Supreme and someday I'll be retrofitting the original 
system that's been open for years to R-134.  How much of the refrigerant and 
oil should I buy?  Is this a decent price for this refrigerant?  Perhaps it 
might be better to stick with R-12?  Any thoughts?

Thanks,

On digest mode
Scott White
93 Cutlass Supreme S (POS driver)
86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (front end hurt)
70 Cutlass Supreme  (crying tears of neglect)
55 Super 88 (Needs work. Volunteers?)

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 15:53:05 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Precautions?  Old gas and oil in car...

Steve, your too funny....It's been a long day and thanks for the laugh....
Pat Swanton
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "SteveH" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: Precautions? Old gas and oil in car...


> At Thursday, 13 May 2004, you wrote:
> 
> >if youre not sure about the gas in the tank simply drain it 
> >into a gas can and dispose of it.
> 
> Want to get yer tank drained quickly? Drive your car to the local 
> Yarde, then tell the immigrants you want it drained. They'll pick 
> it up about 6 feet with a forklift then one will quickly punch a 
> hole in the bottom of the tank while the others gather, like moths 
> around a flame, with buckets to catch the flowing gas. Be sure you 
> have plenty of gas in there or they may get upset at going through 
> all that work for virtually nothing  :o))))))
> 
> SteveH
> 
> 
> 
> ===================================================================
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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:41:38 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???

On Thu, 13 May 2004 ilo@kwom.com wrote:
>>>
Frame had some welding done and it is in good shape. 
Top needs some work, rear glass is missing. The rear glass can be
replaced.  And the
top does not go up. may just need some fluid.
Power drums up front are touchy but work.
I'm familier with the cars history but I want to buy it and
turn around and sell it for more money after I fix it. 
He is asking 6000. 
>>>

The only thing that would concern me is that frame welding - how extensive
was the rot, how well was it repaired, etc. Otherwise, at that price I'd
buy it in a heartbeat.


Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 12:44:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: door interchange

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I think 68 and 69 are separate doors.  The difference being the 68 was 
the
last year of the vent windows, and the 69 had no vent windows.  Other 
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yes, 68 and 69 doors are different.  But WILL interchange as a complete unit.  obviously you would gain or lose vent windows depending which way you went.
 

> If my above assumptions are correct, then '68 - '69 Holiday and Post 
door
> will interchange within those two years/body styles but are 
Convertible
> doors the same found on '68 - '69 Holidays (again, I assume the 
answer is
> yes)?  And is the same true for '70 - '72?
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68-69 post coupe doors interchange
70-72 post coupe doors interchange
 
68-69 holiday coupe and convertible doors interchange, but note the vent window issue mentioned previous
70-72 holiday coupe, supreme and convertible doors interchange
 
convertible doors have a little alignment wedge attached to the door/body, but other than that are exactly the same as the hardtop versions mentioned above.  These alignment wedges can be purchased seperately so one could buy a holiday coupe door to install on their convertible.  assuming they didn't remove the wedge from their old convertible door otherwise there's no need to purchase the alignment wedge.
 
Chris
grp442@yahoo.com


		
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<DIV>I think 68 and 69 are separate doors.&nbsp; The difference being the 68 was <BR>the<BR>last year of the vent windows, and the 69 had no vent windows.&nbsp; Other <BR>-----------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>yes, 68 and 69 doors are different.&nbsp; But WILL interchange as a complete unit.&nbsp; obviously you would gain or lose vent windows depending which way you went.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>&gt; If my above assumptions are correct, then '68 - '69 Holiday and Post <BR>door<BR>&gt; will interchange within those two years/body styles but are <BR>Convertible<BR>&gt; doors the same found on '68 - '69 Holidays (again, I assume the <BR>answer is<BR>&gt; yes)?&nbsp; And is the same true for '70 - '72?</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>68-69 post coupe&nbsp;doors interchange</DIV>
<DIV>70-72 post coupe doors interchange</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>68-69 holiday coupe and convertible doors interchange, but note the vent window issue mentioned previous</DIV>
<DIV>70-72 holiday coupe, supreme and convertible doors interchange</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>convertible doors have a little alignment wedge attached to the door/body, but other than that are exactly the same as the hardtop versions mentioned above.&nbsp; These alignment wedges can be purchased seperately so one could buy a holiday coupe door to install on their convertible.&nbsp; assuming they didn't remove the wedge from their old convertible door otherwise there's no need to purchase the alignment wedge.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Chris</DIV>
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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:17:43 EDT
From: Roncutlass@aol.com
Subject: Convertible part needed

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 I just finally got a boot for my 70 Cutlass convertible.  Just tried to 
install it, but I'm missing the thin rail on the seat back that the boot connects 
to.  Does anyone have one or know of a source??  If possible, please e-mail me 
at roncutlass@aol.com.   Thanks a lot, Ron

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:46:50 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: FS 1968 Ninety Eight convertible

John

If you still have it in June try putting plates on it and
taking it to the GM Nat's in Carlisle. Or put plates on
it and drive it with a sale sign on it. A blonde in the
passenger seat would help in advertising.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6407&item=
2478188727

If the above URL doesn't work for you for any reason, you can just enter the
auction number 2478188727 into the ebay search box, or visit my personal
page at http://johnnasta.com/6898

Thanks,
John Nasta

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:58:29 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: FS 1968 Ninety Eight convertible

Carlisle? Wouldn't that mean taking a day off? I think I'm clean out of
those for the foreseeable future.

A blonde in the passenger seat would help quite a few things, but she would
not be sold with the car :)


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Jack Kopf
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 5:47 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: FS 1968 Ninety Eight convertible

John

If you still have it in June try putting plates on it and
taking it to the GM Nat's in Carlisle. Or put plates on
it and drive it with a sale sign on it. A blonde in the
passenger seat would help in advertising.


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6407&item=
2478188727

If the above URL doesn't work for you for any reason, you can just enter the
auction number 2478188727 into the ebay search box, or visit my personal
page at http://johnnasta.com/6898

Thanks,
John Nasta

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 16:16:40 -0600
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th

with all apologies to Oldsfire ...

Oldsfire1@aol.com wrote that Cy Gilson wrote that ron wrote that MSUEK 
wrote:
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th
> From: MSUEK@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:25:27 EDT
> To: everyone@everywhere.com, everyonesdog@everywhere.com, ...
>  
>  > > Don't buy gas on May 19th
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT
>  > > PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE
>  > > OIL COMPANIES WOULD

sell gas on May 20th to all the people who did not buy gas on the 19th.

>  > > AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF
>  > > OVER

23 dollars and 52 cents

>  > > WHICH AFFECTS THE 

amount of free pretzels that they can have at their meetings.

>  > > THEREFORE MAY 19TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED 

"The Day After May 18th."

>  > > WAITING ON THIS ADMINISTRATION TO 

invade the country with the second largest oil reserves in the world so 
the oil can flow again

>  > > IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

because they already have.

>  > > REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT 

it's going up slower that the price of food, clothing, and housing.

>  > > WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY,
>  > > WE WILL 

send out the same email every year, year after year while buying faster, 
larger, and heavier vehicles and driving them everywhere.

>  > > SO DO YOUR SPREAD AND PART THE WORD.

You know it must be spring when talk on the Olds list turns to over 
heating and the "Don't buy gas on the 19th" email circulates.  Hell this 
thing has been going around since Carter was in office and the internet 
was just a sparkle in Al Gore's eye :)
- --

Cliff "Free gasoline is not a right." Simpson & Kermit
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:09:21 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Flexalite fan

"from my experience a heavy duty clutch and 8 blade factory blade work the
best as primary cooling"

What vehicles came with an 8 blade fan?  I've never seen more than 7 blades on any of the vehicles in the local salvage yard.

Does anyone have a part# for the 8-blader, or know if it is still available from GM?

Michael Ecker

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:26:18 -0400
From: "Jay Britt" <jbritt67@mindspring.com>
Subject: ReFWD:RE: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th

Thanks... I needed a good laugh today... I just spent $48 to fill up my
truck.

- -----Original Message-----
with all apologies to Oldsfire ...

Oldsfire1@aol.com wrote that Cy Gilson wrote that ron wrote that MSUEK
wrote:
>  > > IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT
>  > > PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE
>  > > OIL COMPANIES WOULD

sell gas on May 20th to all the people who did not buy gas on the 19th.

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 17:33:27 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Flexalite fan

Actually, one of the best fan blades I've found is a very wide 6 blade 18"
fan from Ford. It fits fine. Remember, if the fan blades cover too much of
the crossectional area for air flow, air flow could be reduced. Bigger is
not always better.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Ecker" <ecker567@earthlink.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 5:09 PM
Subject: Re: Flexalite fan


> "from my experience a heavy duty clutch and 8 blade factory blade work the
> best as primary cooling"
>
> What vehicles came with an 8 blade fan?  I've never seen more than 7
blades on any of the vehicles in the local salvage yard.
>
> Does anyone have a part# for the 8-blader, or know if it is still
available from GM?
>
> Michael Ecker
>
>

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 20:46:19 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: ReFWD:RE: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th

>  > > IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT
>  > > PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE
>  > > OIL COMPANIES WOULD

have already been paid for the oil that was used to make that gasoline.

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 18:07:31 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: RE: ReFWD:RE: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th

Not to mention, if they are showing a net loss, the proper thing to do 
would be to raise prices.

M

At 08:46 PM 5/13/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >  > > IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT
> >  > > PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE
> >  > > OIL COMPANIES WOULD
>
>have already been paid for the oil that was used to make that gasoline.

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 21:09:21 -0400
From: "Randy Geisel" <rocket455@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Name-Brand vs. Non-Name-Brand (was:an intake manifold gasket]  on a '96   Silhouette?

I can finally get back online and reply....two days and no Olds
List....withdrawl setting in. Remind me to thank my daughter for downloading
that music AND turning off my virus protection. I hate trojan horses named
revoc.c. All clean again.....

> Maybe one can find the NAPA Gold somewhere other than a NAPA store > but
from a NAPA store, they're expensive.

You need to find a Napa guy that that will sell them to you at garage
prices. Through the door, you're paying a mark up of around 40% give or take
a few %. High volume garages pay usually pay cost and the store makes it
money on the rebate (err monthly kickback) program.

> The fact is that a large majority of the automobile-repairing public
really
> doesn't care much WHAT brand they buy,

Exactly!! Those are the people that come in complaining that Pep-Boys is
cheaper. Yes, in alot of cases that is true. I can buy parts from Pep-Boys
at retail that are cheaper than what I can buy at cost from CQ. Not the same
quality though.....



> YOU have an advantage over the usual customer, though: YOU have the
> ability to look into your parts stock and suppliers

True and not all counter people will as honest about things as I am. This
has gotten me into hot water more than a few times.....

> I rather seriously doubt that you would find ANYBODY on this reflector
>who would admit to buying and using something like Pep Boy's brand of oil,

Uhhhhh......me. That's pretty much all I ran in my '94 Toyota truck from the
day I bought it new until I let it sit when the head gasket blew 7 years and
254,000 miles later. Changed oil twice a year if lucky. Disclaimer...these
results may not be typical. ;-)

> >Matter of fact, you'll find the Permatex part number on the CQ
> >product along with the CQ part number.
>
> OK; but when *I've* seen that kind of thing on a non-brand-name package,
>it would say something like "equivalent to such-and-such's PN xxx-xxx".
>Being "equivalent" isn't quite the same thing as actually BEING the same
stuff.

I understand your concern and reading your reply has made me realize that I
have forgotten the fact that I do have information available to me that your
average customer does not. I've taken it for granted for so long.....it just
seemed as if everyone 'should' know this stuff. Thank you for waking me
up.....

My wife tells me that constantly. I assume that since I know something or
have the ability to do something, that everyone else does also....

This is why I like this list.....a simple discussion......learn/relearn
something.......nobody taking up arms.....life is good!

Later,
Randy


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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 01:52:50 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Name-Brand vs. Non-Name-Brand

At 09:09 PM 5/13/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>I understand your concern and reading your reply has made me 
>realize that I have forgotten the fact that I do have information 
>available to me that your average customer does not. I've taken 
>it for granted for so long.....it just seemed as if everyone 
>'should' know this stuff. Thank you for waking me up.....

I don't see why anyone would be against you, or any other such auto store
professionals on this reflector (I believe there's several others besides
JoeV), telling all of us things like that... that a line of CQ's oil/air
filters happens to be reboxed Delco or Wix or whatever... CQ's gasket
cement is actually Permatex under a different logo. If more of us knew that
and could hear it from a realiable professional like yourself whom we
trust, then everybody would win, no? :o)

IMO, what might help most would be a list of such things that one could
print and put aside for future reference, rather than just a text message.

A cupla years ago, Carquest was the only local store that could order a
carb rebuild kit for my '67 425. While there, I also FINALLY found PB
Blaster, which everyone on the various reflectors had been praising for
some months. Autozone and Advance and even the two local NAPA stores didn't
have PB Blaster, nor were able to find my desired carb kit in their
catalog. So I'm not adverse to going to CQ, except the closest one is
further away than half a dozen closer stores  ;o\  Perhaps it's telling
that NOW, Advance and AZ do have PB Blaster  ;o\

>This is why I like this list.....a simple discussion......learn/relearn
>something.......nobody taking up arms.....life is good!

Truly, especially now that you've got that roccoci.c virus out (or whatever
it was) ;o\  I had those problems 3 years ago with my own two youngest
teenagers until putting a machine together just for them. Now, they've both
learned how to find and install and run free antivirus programs in addition
to all the other stuff they do.

SteveH

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 22:05:03 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th

At 04:16 PM 05/13/2004 -0600, Cliff wrote:
>>  > > REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT 
>
>it's going up slower that the price of food, clothing, and housing.

Hm, I dunno.

I mean, yeah, it's going up slower than the price of housing... but real
estate never seemed to have much connection with reality anyway.

On the other hand, food and clothing?  I don't think those have gone up
almost 35% in the past year and a half, as the price of gasoline seems to
have done.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 22:51:33 -0400
From: "w-machines" <w-machines@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Gas tank

I may have one.  Its a Michigan tank, but is in good condition
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Martin & Jeanine" <maje16@mchsi.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:19 PM
Subject: Gas tank


> I need to replace the tank in my 1971 98 sedan and was wondering where I
> could purchase one.Does anybody know of any companies that sell new tanks?
> Or maybe a good used one. I live in Illinois so I have given up on used
> around here.I noticed that this company
> http://www.quantaproducts.com/store/
> has one available for 73-74 98`s does anyone know if they are the same.Im
> sure that it would fit maybe emissions pipes or sender are different.
> Anybody dealt with this company before?
> Thanks in advance for any help......
>
> Martin
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 22:50:47 -0400
From: "w-machines" <w-machines@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Precautions?  Old gas and oil in car...

Joe is the 98 a 2dr or 4dr?
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Vahabzadeh" <king_v@mindless.com>
To: <oldsgmail@spots.ab.ca>; <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 8:10 PM
Subject: Precautions? Old gas and oil in car...


> Uh, well, how do I begin?
>
> I've got my 1979 Calais, and 1972 Olds 98 (the soon-to-be donor) sitting.
> Now, I've started the latter around 2 months ago, and started the former
> about 6 months ago.
>
> However, it occurs to me.....  In both vehicles, the gasoline is
> approaching the 2 years old mark.  The oil is also on the old side, though
> not as bad.
>
> I realize I should change the oil, but what should I do about the gas?
>
> If I can avoid it, I'd rather not drain the tanks.  There's not a whole
lot
> of gas in either one anyway.
>
> But should the gasoline be considered suspect at this point?  Can I add
> anything to it then start the cars, such as gas stabilizer, or just dilute
> it with fresh gas?
>
> I don't want to put too much in, but I don't want to gum up the works,
either.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> - Joe Vahabzadeh
>
>

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 23:03:45 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Gas tank

I have a VG one from a 68 98. Probably the same, although possibly not
because 71 was the year that EEC was introduced. If you do not have EEC it
would probably be the same. Shipping would be $$ though depending on where
you are located. If you let me know where you are located, I may be able to
find one near you.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----


> I need to replace the tank in my 1971 98 sedan and was wondering where I
> could purchase one.Does anybody know of any companies that sell new tanks?
> Or maybe a good used one. I live in Illinois so I have given up on used
> around here.I noticed that this company
> http://www.quantaproducts.com/store/
> has one available for 73-74 98`s does anyone know if they are the same.Im
> sure that it would fit maybe emissions pipes or sender are different.
> Anybody dealt with this company before?
> Thanks in advance for any help......
>
> Martin
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 23:54:16 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: The 98 was Re: Precautions?  Old gas and oil in car...

At 10:50 PM 05/13/2004 -0400, w-machines wrote:
>Joe is the 98 a 2dr or 4dr?

2 door.  Out of curiosity, why do you ask?

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 00:23:05 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th

Doubt it would make any difference. First it will never happen.
But the next day there would be lines at every station or everyone
would fill-up the day before. Wouldn't effect the oil industry at all.
Especially since the stockpiles are low at the moment. As for the oil
company profits they own a commodity that is traded on the open market.
The cost to lift, ship and process the fuel is known. When the futures
markets raise the prices the owners of the reserves see a windfall.
When the prices drop the profits shrink to normal proportions.

In 1980 gas was over a dollar a gallon and cable TV cost $7 a month. Now
cable costs over $50 and you could buy a new car for well under 10K. Ask
any senior about medical care or any parent about collage tuition.

The world economy is rebounding and China is using more oil every day.
Japan was #2 in consumption behind the USA now they are becoming a distant
#3. If oil moved with the rate of inflation in a normal pace it would cost
about $4.00 a gallon to be equal to 1960 prices.

As bad a president as Jimmy Carter was he was correct that we either have
a energy plan and reduce the growth of the monsters appetite or it will
drain
us as a nation. In the last 15 years the explosion of SUV's and mini vans
has
caused our gas usage to rise.

This is the open market. If you bought gold in 1976 @ $700 an ounce you lost
your shirt. Now it is rising again but in real terms it is 1/4 the price it
was in the '70s.

The system is far from perfect but it is the best the world has ever had.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Cliff Simpson
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:17 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th


with all apologies to Oldsfire ...

Oldsfire1@aol.com wrote that Cy Gilson wrote that ron wrote that MSUEK
wrote:
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th
> From: MSUEK@aol.com
> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:25:27 EDT
> To: everyone@everywhere.com, everyonesdog@everywhere.com, ...
>
>  > > Don't buy gas on May 19th
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT
>  > > PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE
>  > > OIL COMPANIES WOULD

sell gas on May 20th to all the people who did not buy gas on the 19th.

>  > > AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF
>  > > OVER

23 dollars and 52 cents

>  > > WHICH AFFECTS THE

amount of free pretzels that they can have at their meetings.

>  > > THEREFORE MAY 19TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED

"The Day After May 18th."

>  > > WAITING ON THIS ADMINISTRATION TO

invade the country with the second largest oil reserves in the world so
the oil can flow again

>  > > IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN

because they already have.

>  > > REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT

it's going up slower that the price of food, clothing, and housing.

>  > > WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE
DAY,
>  > > WE WILL

send out the same email every year, year after year while buying faster,
larger, and heavier vehicles and driving them everywhere.

>  > > SO DO YOUR SPREAD AND PART THE WORD.

You know it must be spring when talk on the Olds list turns to over
heating and the "Don't buy gas on the 19th" email circulates.  Hell this
thing has been going around since Carter was in office and the internet
was just a sparkle in Al Gore's eye :)
- --

Cliff "Free gasoline is not a right." Simpson & Kermit
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 23:47:37 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Precautions?  Old gas and oil in car...

Don't throw stones, but remember when I started up the old '64 Cutlass with
the bad 330 (2-3 leaking intake valves) on 8 year old gas in the tank? It
ran fine. That was 2 years ago. I burned that 10 gallons out and put in 5
new gallons. It worked the same. No problems. That 5 gallons is now over a
year old and also works fine. The Shell Aeroshell 50W was 8 years old too
(now 10 years), and I'm not bothering to change it.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 06:46:59 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th

hell the weather is nice  so its time to break out the old pedal  power and enjoy my bicycle.
Ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Cliff Simpson" <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 6:16 PM
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th


> with all apologies to Oldsfire ...
> 
> Oldsfire1@aol.com wrote that Cy Gilson wrote that ron wrote that MSUEK 
> wrote:
> > 
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > 
> > Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th
> > From: MSUEK@aol.com
> > Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 09:25:27 EDT
> > To: everyone@everywhere.com, everyonesdog@everywhere.com, ...
> >  
> >  > > Don't buy gas on May 19th
> >  > >
> >  > >
> >  > > IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN THE UNITED STATES DID NOT
> >  > > PURCHASE A DROP OF GASOLINE FOR ONE DAY AND ALL AT THE SAME TIME, THE
> >  > > OIL COMPANIES WOULD
> 
> sell gas on May 20th to all the people who did not buy gas on the 19th.
> 
> >  > > AT THE SAME TIME IT WOULD HIT THE ENTIRE INDUSTRY WITH A NET LOSS OF
> >  > > OVER
> 
> 23 dollars and 52 cents
> 
> >  > > WHICH AFFECTS THE 
> 
> amount of free pretzels that they can have at their meetings.
> 
> >  > > THEREFORE MAY 19TH HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED 
> 
> "The Day After May 18th."
> 
> >  > > WAITING ON THIS ADMINISTRATION TO 
> 
> invade the country with the second largest oil reserves in the world so 
> the oil can flow again
> 
> >  > > IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN
> 
> because they already have.
> 
> >  > > REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF GASOLINE GOING UP BUT 
> 
> it's going up slower that the price of food, clothing, and housing.
> 
> >  > > WE CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. IF THEY DON'T GET THE MESSAGE AFTER ONE DAY,
> >  > > WE WILL 
> 
> send out the same email every year, year after year while buying faster, 
> larger, and heavier vehicles and driving them everywhere.
> 
> >  > > SO DO YOUR SPREAD AND PART THE WORD.
> 
> You know it must be spring when talk on the Olds list turns to over 
> heating and the "Don't buy gas on the 19th" email circulates.  Hell this 
> thing has been going around since Carter was in office and the internet 
> was just a sparkle in Al Gore's eye :)
> --
> 
> Cliff "Free gasoline is not a right." Simpson & Kermit
> http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html
> 
> 

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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 06:54:26 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: R12 to R134 startup

r-134a is a hell of a lot cheaper than 12 i just retro fit my 1977 olds  i love the 37deg air
flowing the a/c ducts
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott White" <scottwhite98@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 3:33 PM
Subject: R12 to R134 startup


> Hello all-
>
> After trying thrice to get through with my School e-mail, not being able to
> make it simple text, I've opted to get a new e-mail address. Perhaps I can
> keep the spam down here.
>
> Minnesota still allows the sale of refrigerant, and our local K-mart is
> stocking it.  I might be moving soon to Wisconsin, where it isn't sold off
> the shelf and I wondered if it would be wise to pick some R-134 up before I
> left.
>
> I can get 12oz cans of R-134a for $5.79
> R-134 ester oil, 2oz for $3.99
> Stop leak detector $4.99
> R-134 "high mileage" w/leak sealer $7.49
>
> I've got a '70 Cutlass Supreme and someday I'll be retrofitting the original
> system that's been open for years to R-134.  How much of the refrigerant and
> oil should I buy?  Is this a decent price for this refrigerant?  Perhaps it
> might be better to stick with R-12?  Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> On digest mode
> Scott White
> 93 Cutlass Supreme S (POS driver)
> 86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (front end hurt)
> 70 Cutlass Supreme  (crying tears of neglect)
> 55 Super 88 (Needs work. Volunteers?)
>
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 06:03:23 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Flexalite fan

On May 13, 2004, at 12:34 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:02:01 -0400
> From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
> Subject: Re: Flexalite fan
>
> At Thursday, 13 May 2004, you wrote:
>> I don't have any problem with using a factory clutch-fan.
>> I couldn't because of some oddity with my engine mounts,
>> frame, or core support.
>
> AHHA.... you must have one them ultrarare Moneydulluh Supremes with
> the offset engine, eh  :o))))))))

:)

What I think happened is that the engine mounts were of the cheap 
variety and the rubber settled. Looks to be about an inch or two too 
low.


On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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