
oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, March 17 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4820



Re: ebay 69 H/O
[none]
Re: re-upholstery seat kits
Lansing 1969 project car f/s
RE: ebay 69 H/O
Re: re-upholstery seat kits
Big Car 12" disk brakes f/s
found indy 500 Calais in yard, mostly broken
Re: look what I dug out of the scrap pile
Oldsmobile rocket dealer sign
Re: look what I dug out of the scrap pile
bunch of crap on eVil - mine this time
what is this starter for?
Re: Added a little weight - sub aiming
Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal
looking for 1970  magizine
always repeat your phone #
Re: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal
RE: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal
Re: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal
Floorpan vendors and 67 Convertible for Sale
FS: 64-67 rebuilt lower control arms
Re: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal
Note to IAN >> Can't send personal Email
Re: looking for 1970  magizine
Re: looking for 1970  magizine
Re: looking for 1970  magizine
Re: what is this starter for?
455 Stuck Valve Update and parts for sale
Re: what is this starter for?
Re: looking for 1970  magizine

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:59:22 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: ebay 69 H/O

Shouldn't this car have the chromed 15 inch wheels as well?

Looks like someone put together what was left of a 69 Hurst with various 
parts and pieces to me.


Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:29:48 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: [none]

Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:00:13 -0500
From: "Hurst Olds" <hurstolds@planetc.com>
Subject: look what I dug out of the scrap pile

Spied a BOP bellhousing ... I was wondering if anyone could give me a better 
identification of
it... obviously BOP... but what tranny - I've seen others before that had
multiple sets of holes for different trannies but this one looks like its
designed for one specifically?  Any idea of original use?  I couldn't find
any stampings on it.
==================
That is strange- cable operated clutch? Pivot ball opposite side of 
bellhouse.
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:36:41 -0600
From: "Patrick Boyle" <PBOYLE@wpo.it.luc.edu>
Subject: Re: re-upholstery seat kits

Fryer's Upholstery Shop in Washington state made a complete seat kit for my daily driver, an 84 88.

With door panels and all it was under $2k. The quality of the seatcovers is probably better than the orignals and I get many positive comments, three years after having installed them.  

Fryer will customize, consult on materials, and produce to your specifications.  In addition he was a great help with tips on the installation.

Patrick Boyle
Chicago
83 98
84 88
94 98

>>> ribspot@pop4.net 03/16/04 03:46PM >>>
Gary Wiles wrote:

> I got a quote this week from a local upholstery shop for a new interior (carpet,
> seats, door panesl, visors, trim) for a total of $3500.  I'm a cheapskate so that's
> a bit more than I would like to spend on a car that is just for sunny day joy riding
> and pulling a boat.  Kanter says they have seat kits for it (and of course carpet). 
> Anyone have any knowledge or experience with the quality and fit of the kits from
> Kanter?  I'm not trying to do a restoration just concerned with general appearance
> and fit.  The vinyl is really falling apart, especially from cruising down the
> highway with the top down... grin
> 
> Thanks,
> Gary Wiles
> 1972 88 Royale conv
> 1994 Aspire (factory color lilac)
> 
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   Sorry I can not answer your question about Kanter. I just had 2500.00
in interior repair and replacement done on my 80 toro.(lots of leather) 
It looks great I could not be happier
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:01:02 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Lansing 1969 project car f/s

Not mine, but I did view it, have some photos

This is the car that comes with the NOS 1970 W30 fiberglass hood
A waste on this car, if you ask me.

Also has NOS Rally Pack- both gages and tach pods, not speedo.
NOS hood latches for the OAI hood
No OAI air cleaner though.
Car is generic 1969 Cutlass 2dr
Used to have AC
Sporting rebuilt 1970 455, carb 7040250 = 1970 sbo
Trans is 70-OB, leaky oily original but now short-shaft. I forgot to ck for 
speedo fitting.
Rust not bad at all for MI car, easily restored.
Front sheetmetal is all off.
Comes with new interior kit, Vinyl top too.
Comes with floor pan repair part for where there is some rust.
Top sheetmetal rusted thru, needs repair.
Needs paint after the bodywork
Suspension untouched, maybe front end rebuilt some time ago? Should be 
re-done.
Dash looks OK
It's pretty much all apart body on frame.
Headlight plastics lok like new except for bolt marks.
Diff ratio unknown, presume 2.56 open. No rear stabilizer.

Car is in/near Lansing MI 48911
Could not get owner to cite a $ figure, he said buyer can "make an offer 
that does not make either of us look stupid". Way beyond my finances, I 
cannot come up with $300 for 2 NOS differentials.
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:05:28 -0700
From: "Karl Sup" <droldslives@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: ebay 69 H/O

Not only that, the size of the digits is too large for the VIN stamping.

Karl Sup
Mesa, AZ
69 H/O #89

>Look at this, I see the VIN looking like it starts with "79M..." not 
>"39..."

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:23:30 EST
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: re-upholstery seat kits

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In a message dated 3/17/04 5:40:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
royale455@yahoo.com
writes:

> I got a quote this week from a local upholstery shop for a new interior 
> (carpet,
> seats, door panesl, visors, trim) for a total of $3500.  I'm a cheapskate so 
> that's
> a bit more than I would like to spend on a car that is just for sunny day 
> joy riding
> and pulling a boat.  Kanter says they have seat kits for it (and of course 
> carpet). 
> Anyone have any knowledge or experience with the quality and fit of the kits 
> from
> Kanter?  I'm not trying to do a restoration just concerned with general 
> appearance
> and fit.  The vinyl is really falling apart, especially from cruising down 
> the
> highway with the top down... grin

Hi Gary,
      Depending on your location, that amount may, or may not, be too high.  
I would get a couple more bids, plus ask around at the local cruises to see 
who does upholstery in your area.  Call around to the big car parts suppliers to 
see how much the covers and panels cost to see how much you would save by 
doing the work yourself.  I found myself in this same predicament a few years ago 
so I learned how to do upholstery myself to save the costs of having a 
professional do it.  It is NOT that difficult to do, but there are a few tricks of 
the trade that are good to know.  I have helped a few guys on this list redo 
their interiors and would be glad to give you any advice needed to complete the 
job.
Steve D

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:30:57 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Big Car 12" disk brakes f/s

Big Car disk brake setup, from 1980's

These have the larger .85" spindle
5x5" bolt pattern rotors
can remove rotors [presumably used up] to save shipping weight.
Any interested parties please contact me directly.
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:43:19 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: found indy 500 Calais in yard, mostly broken

Got one emblem off it, metal, on C-pillar

Top caved in, has wheels yet, special AL wheels?
Anything else worth grabbing?
Have pix
1980's FWD type Calais, "69th anniversary Indy 500" on body lower sides.

will possibly be way out there today, CALL CELL if you need anything
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 08:08:21 -0800
From: "Mike Morrissey" <oxfarm@oregontrail.net>
Subject: Re: look what I dug out of the scrap pile

Perhaps a piece from a Starfire from about '79? I have one similar. Mike
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From: "SteveH" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2004 7:15 AM
Subject: Re: look what I dug out of the scrap pile


> At Tuesday, 16 March 2004, you wrote:
> 
> >starter is located on opposite of housing for a olds. at least  
> >all the ones I have ever seen, that looks like a ford
> 
> Looks like has option of mounting starter on either side. But doesn't 
> look like any BOP bellhousing from the olden days that I recall. 
> Location for the clutch fork is really weird, too.
> 
> SteveH
> 
> 
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:36:09 +0000
From: oldsranch@att.net
Subject: Oldsmobile rocket dealer sign

Rather than retype it, go here and read it.  For those of us that like the olds dealer signs, this sort of thing will most likely not come up again.

http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6741


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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:55:54 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: look what I dug out of the scrap pile

> Perhaps a piece from a Starfire from about '79? I have one similar. Mike

- --------------------

That is what I was thinking.  Something with a longitudinally mounted 3.8
Buick V6.  Most likely  F (Camaro / Firebird) or H  (Monza / Sunbird /
Skyhawk / Starfire) body.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:54:31 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: bunch of crap on eVil - mine this time

stop by and ck-see if you got the time:

http://cgi6.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&userid=*the*rocketscientist&since=30&sort=8&rows=25

Single G head, set of nice 5A heads, bumper jack, lotsa good stuff.
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:15:12 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: what is this starter for?

web search turned up a used one for sale for over $200

Numbers indicate 1969 or so

What is it? THANKS!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2467789626
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 09:38:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Gary Wiles <royale455@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Added a little weight - sub aiming

> From: "jbschuren" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Added a little weight
> 
> na... 10.00 bux says he gets much better bass response with the way he
> designed the enclosure to fire towards the rear of the car.  This
> configuration helps in reinforcing the bass output utilizing transfer
> function of the vehicle.
> 
> http://www.teamrocs.com/technical/pages/aiming.htm

Funny, I just read this article last week, it is also here:
http://www.installer.com/tech/aiming.html

If I understand the article correctly the sub should actually be located closer to
the rear of the trunk and pointed towards the rear.

...on digest mode
Gary

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:09:07 -0600
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal

All,
	If my memory serves me correctly, the ideal ratio is 1.7:1.  Can
someone please explain this

1.  Why is this # ideal?
2.  What does a greater ratio do to engine performance?
3.  What does a lesser ratio do to engine performance?

Thanx,

Steve Reed 
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice 
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode) 
'68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine) 
Austin, TX 
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:23:08 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: looking for 1970  magizine

any one have or know where to obtain the 1970  feb issue of car craft magizine
there was a article on the crankshaft company i would like to get
thank you 
ron

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:24:05 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: always repeat your phone #

Got another call today on the cell phone
Guy's phone was fading out
Apparently he bought some alt brackets from me a while back
Now needs ???
Phone # 301-813-53-static-static

Anyone here, perchance?

Please folks, ALWAYS repeat your crucial info when leaving a message, go 
slowly and speak loudly and clearly. Seems like every time I am listening to 
a number or whatnot... the phone fades out, or their phone fades out, or the 
kids chose to scream, or the wife commences to talking.... there is no "back 
up a little" feature on my voice mail... the only thing I can do is wait 
until the end, and listen to the whole thing again. Guess what happens right 
when the crucial info part comes again?

Thanks.
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:47:38 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal

contact milton ,
i will e mail you what he has already emailed me.when i get home n back on my own p/c tonight
ron
> All,
> 	If my memory serves me correctly, the ideal ratio is 1.7:1.  Can
> someone please explain this
> 
> 1.  Why is this # ideal?
> 2.  What does a greater ratio do to engine performance?
> 3.  What does a lesser ratio do to engine performance?
> 
> Thanx,
> 
> Steve Reed 
> '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice 
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode) 
> '68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine) 
> Austin, TX 
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:04:07 -0600
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Subject: RE: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal

Paraphrased quote from S. Yunick:
Put the longest damned rod that you can in your engine.  Really wakes up
a race mill, according to Milton.  However, I doubt the magic number
thing i.e., 1.7 is best.  This may have sprung up from older OEM
designs.  OEM Chryslers and Olds had good ratios in the 60's and 70's,
to mid 80's.  I think its more like > or equal to 1.7.  Relative deck
height is one of the most important factors in allowing/determining the
length of the rod you can use.
Ian

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Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:48 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal

contact milton ,
i will e mail you what he has already emailed me.when i get home n back
on my own p/c tonight
ron
> All,
> 	If my memory serves me correctly, the ideal ratio is 1.7:1.  Can
> someone please explain this
> 
> 1.  Why is this # ideal?
> 2.  What does a greater ratio do to engine performance?
> 3.  What does a lesser ratio do to engine performance?
> 
> Thanx,
> 
> Steve Reed 
> '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice 
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode) 
> '68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine) 
> Austin, TX 
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 13:20:24 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal

Steve R.,

> If my memory serves me correctly, the ideal ratio is 1.7:1.  Can
> someone please explain this
>
> 1.  Why is this # ideal?


First, not all automotive engineers agree with the rod ratio theory. Chevy
is a prime example with really bad rod ratios. Olds tended toward 1.7 and
greater rod ratios.
425 rod ratio is 1.76.
455 rod ratio is only 1.59 with stock rods, but with longer 425 rods, the
ratio is 1.65.
All Olds small blocks have a 1.77 rod ratio.
413, 426, and 440 MOPARs have rod ratios of 1.8 or greater. That's also why
they wind real tight, real quick, with gobs of torque.
The 1.77 rod ratio in any stock Olds small block is the reason that small
block will produce more torque, cubic inch to cubic inch, when matched
against a stcok Chevy or Ford.
The 1.76 rod ratio in a 425 is the reason the 425 will make the same torque
as a 455 and wind tighter than a 455, but the 455 can produce more
horsepower because of the extra cubes, given equally modified engines, and
even with longer 425 rods in the 455. No 455 can match the efficiency
possible in a 425.


> 2.  What does a greater ratio do to engine performance?


Promotes increased torque generation. Promotes increased RPM attainment due
to increased breathing efficiency. Increases volumetric efficiency due to
improvements in the way the cylinder breathes in and exhales. Lowers piston
speed and increases dwell time at TDC and BDC for longer compression hold
during ignition, increasing power, and longer cylinder packing of air/fuel
mass for greater VE at BDC. Increases piston speed at cylinder wall midpoint
for sharper vacuum signal spike to the ambient air to force greater vacuum
suction for drawing in more air/fuel mass for greater cylinder packing at
BDC and promotes more violent and quicker air/fuel mass slamming and
turbulence at maximum compression of that mass at buildup to TDC firing and
facilitates a quicker power stroke in midrange cylinder wall piston speed
which helps the engine wind up quicker. Decreases rod angularity to the
cylinder wall for less power robbing friction. Increased ring stability for
tighter ring seal to the cylinder walls.


> 3.  What does a lesser ratio do to engine performance?


The reverse of what was stated in #2. Some engineers believe other things
and in other ways as to how engines can be made to make power. I believe in
long rods and ultra lightweight pistons. They go hand-in-hand. Use the
longest rods one can possiblely fit into the engine crankcase. Smokey Yunick
and Bill "Grumpy" Jenkins believed the same way, and they were small block
Chevy people. They knew how badly GM screwed up the design of the small
block Chevy reciprocating assembly and crank. They fixed it. Grumpy also
used to run an Olds, believe it or not. He ran Chevy, because Chevy paid him
a lot of money. Grumpy used Olds engineering in his Chevy, which means using
a custom 6.4" rod instead of the stock Chevy 5.7" rod, running in either A
or B Modified Production.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 15:01:20 -0600
From: Adam Marshall <armarshall@ou.edu>
Subject: Floorpan vendors and 67 Convertible for Sale

Hello:
 
I was wondering which vendor I should use for purchase of floor pans for my
67 442.  The whole floor needs to be replaced.  I have looked at year one
and original parts group, and even at those sold on Ebay. does anyone have
any recommendations?  The year one prices are high as usual..

Also, I am selling my 67 Cutlass Convertible, asking price is 2750 OBO.  Car
has 72 350, Performer RPM Intake, Holly 750, HEI.  Also have original
intake, carb, etc.  AC, PS, PB car.  Needs paint and a few minor things
before daily drivable, was my daily driver until recently.  Comes with some
extra parts (fender, hood).  Email me and can send some pictures and give
details.  (Located Norman, OK).

Thanks, 

Adam Marshall
1967 442 Coupe
1967 Cutlass Convertible (For Sale)

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 14:43:02 -0800 (PST)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: FS: 64-67 rebuilt lower control arms

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Hi all,
I've got a pair of lower control arms from a 66 GTO parts car (also have an upper arm but the other upper I don't believe is good).  They have the round lower rear bushings for those wondering.  Currently, they are awaiting me to sandblast them, which will be done this weekend.  Then I will paint them Eastwood Chassis black and install new MOOG balljoints and rubber bushings.  If someone is interested in them, I could work with you if say, you wanted them powdercoated or just bare or whatever.  Hit me privately if interested.  Price would be dependent on what condition you want them in, in case one is wondering.
 
Thanks,
Chris
grp442@yahoo.com

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<DIV>Hi all,</DIV>
<DIV>I've got a pair of lower control arms from a 66 GTO parts car (also have an upper arm but the other upper I don't believe is good).&nbsp; They have the round lower rear bushings for those wondering.&nbsp; Currently, they are awaiting me to sandblast them, which will be done this weekend.&nbsp; Then I will paint them Eastwood Chassis black and install new MOOG balljoints and rubber bushings.&nbsp; If someone is interested in them, I could work with you if say, you wanted them powdercoated or just bare or whatever.&nbsp; Hit me privately if interested.&nbsp; Price would be dependent on what condition you want them in, in&nbsp;case one is wondering.</DIV>
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<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Chris</DIV>
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:51:21 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal

At 01:20 PM 03/17/2004 -0700, Milton wrote:
>All Olds small blocks have a 1.77 rod ratio.
>413, 426, and 440 MOPARs have rod ratios of 1.8 or greater. That's also why
>they wind real tight, real quick, with gobs of torque.

IIRC, the 413/426/440 might have been a hair under 1.8, and the 383/400
were a bit over?  I forget how the 273/318/340 were (360 is a bit of a
differet beast), but also IIRC, the smallblock Mopars had an even better
R:S ratio than the big blocks.

This of course must be adjusted for my possibly/probably faulty memory.

>The 1.77 rod ratio in any stock Olds small block is the reason that small
>block will produce more torque, cubic inch to cubic inch, when matched
>against a stcok Chevy or Ford.
>The 1.76 rod ratio in a 425 is the reason the 425 will make the same torque
>as a 455 and wind tighter than a 455, but the 455 can produce more
>horsepower because of the extra cubes, given equally modified engines, and
>even with longer 425 rods in the 455. No 455 can match the efficiency
>possible in a 425.
>

Was there some sort of rule though that once you got past a rod-stroke
ratio of 2 or more, that there were some drawbacks to it?  I can't recall,
though I do know this thread once got incredibly lengthy.  Very interesting
stuff, but I lost a lot of saved emails at one point.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 17:57:25 -0600
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Note to IAN >> Can't send personal Email

Ian,
	I'm trying to send you an email (W/Spreadsheet attached), but it got
rejected the last two times.
	Do I need to zip this, or is you email box full?

Steve Reed 
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice 
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode) 
'68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine) 
Austin, TX 
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca 
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Ian Dixon
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:04 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal
> 
> Paraphrased quote from S. Yunick:
> Put the longest damned rod that you can in your engine.  
> Really wakes up a race mill, according to Milton.  However, I 
> doubt the magic number thing i.e., 1.7 is best.  This may 
> have sprung up from older OEM designs.  OEM Chryslers and 
> Olds had good ratios in the 60's and 70's, to mid 80's.  I 
> think its more like > or equal to 1.7.  Relative deck height 
> is one of the most important factors in allowing/determining 
> the length of the rod you can use.
> Ian
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of 
> 77w30442@comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:48 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal
> 
> contact milton ,
> i will e mail you what he has already emailed me.when i get 
> home n back on my own p/c tonight ron
> > All,
> > 	If my memory serves me correctly, the ideal ratio is 
> 1.7:1.  Can 
> > someone please explain this
> > 
> > 1.  Why is this # ideal?
> > 2.  What does a greater ratio do to engine performance?
> > 3.  What does a lesser ratio do to engine performance?
> > 
> > Thanx,
> > 
> > Steve Reed
> > '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
> > '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode)
> > '68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine)
> > Austin, TX
> > http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:17:10 -0500
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: looking for 1970  magizine

Gosh...If I can find my old mags I'll let ya know...I may have some from the
70's. I am a pack rat and save about everything....give me some time
thou....may take a while....LOL

Tami

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:24:00 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: looking for 1970  magizine

no hurry 
thanks
so how are things 
take care
ron 
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 7:17 PM
Subject: Re: looking for 1970 magizine


> Gosh...If I can find my old mags I'll let ya know...I may have some from the
> 70's. I am a pack rat and save about everything....give me some time
> thou....may take a while....LOL
> 
> Tami
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:02:34 -0500
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: looking for 1970  magizine

Things are going.....not to well in some areas of my life and better in
others. But over all...doing good thanks!! What about you???

cant wait to get the Ole '68 out and drive her!!! Have some things planned
for her this yr that I hope to get done!! But itching to get behind the
wheel......and cruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuz!!!!

Looked at a '76 Cutty Supreme with only 37,000 miles on her for $3000.00 or
BO. Thought about buying it but she has the ole 6 banger 261?? or is it the
231?? in her. Have heard thats not the best motor but the body and inside is
solid and in very good shape!

Whatcha think???

Will let ya know when I find the mags and if I have what you are looking
for!

Tami

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:32:35 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: what is this starter for?

I'm probably wrong, is it maybe a toronado or riviera or eldorado starter?
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:15 PM
Subject: what is this starter for?


> web search turned up a used one for sale for over $200
> 
> Numbers indicate 1969 or so
> 
> What is it? THANKS!
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2467789626
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
> 
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
> 
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by 
> ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 19:47:47 -0600
From: "Tom Jones" <tom.bearsfan@verizon.net>
Subject: 455 Stuck Valve Update and parts for sale

Ok the 455 I had a stuck exhaust valve in now has heads re-placed by my
engine builder
along with a completet valve job on both heads just to make sure all the
guides are correct.
They never found anything other than just a stuck valve.....
I now have 200 miles on her with no problems.  The builder drove down from
KC
and re-installed them with my assistance.   Other than the initial problem I
have been verry
satisfied with his service and the way he has stood behind his work.

Now to get my garage cleaned out a little....I have a 68' 455 F2 toro block
that's been bored 30 over
along with pistons and rods, cast iron intake and rochester carb.  My
question is what are these worth?  I was thinking of listing them on ebay
separately but would like to offer them to anyone on the list first....there
were in good working condition when removed....the intake has one broken
screw in it from the choke tube hold down..FYI.... I live in the Dallas Ft
Worth area.

Tom J.

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:06:27 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: what is this starter for?

gm front wheel drive would be correct 
i believe it fits up to 84 as well 
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: what is this starter for?


> I'm probably wrong, is it maybe a toronado or riviera or eldorado starter?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:15 PM
> Subject: what is this starter for?
> 
> 
> > web search turned up a used one for sale for over $200
> > 
> > Numbers indicate 1969 or so
> > 
> > What is it? THANKS!
> > 
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2467789626
> > -----------------------
> > Chris Witt
> > 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> > Lansing MI 48911
> > 
> > RocketScience442@hotmail.com
> > 
> > Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> > Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
> > 
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > All the action. All the drama. Get NCAA hoops coverage at MSN Sports by 
> > ESPN. http://msn.espn.go.com/index.html?partnersite=espn
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:02:54 -0500
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: looking for 1970  magizine

guess about the same with me. got tired of waiting for the car im restoreing to be done so i yanked
the cover off my other 1977 cutlass supreme, got the kinks worked out of the dakota digital gauges.
 i like the 76 and 77 cuttys, the 231 is junk a nice 455 would do the trick.
 i miss my first two olds the  old f-85 my mom gave me, a odd car 6 cyl  th350 and 3.90 posi. it was
fun then my 1969 w-31 , but if i ever get the cash the 1969 hurst /olds is my all time favorite car
nothing comes close, that car had a attitude all its own.  i had one. wish i still had it.
wish the darn snow would go away.
well you take care
hope the low pointsin youre life quikly disapear.
take care
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:02 PM
Subject: Re: looking for 1970 magizine


> Things are going.....not to well in some areas of my life and better in
> others. But over all...doing good thanks!! What about you???
>
> cant wait to get the Ole '68 out and drive her!!! Have some things planned
> for her this yr that I hope to get done!! But itching to get behind the
> wheel......and cruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuz!!!!
>
> Looked at a '76 Cutty Supreme with only 37,000 miles on her for $3000.00 or
> BO. Thought about buying it but she has the ole 6 banger 261?? or is it the
> 231?? in her. Have heard thats not the best motor but the body and inside is
> solid and in very good shape!
>
> Whatcha think???
>
> Will let ya know when I find the mags and if I have what you are looking
> for!
>
> Tami
>
>
>

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