
oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, March 18 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4821



ford truck parts needed  - off topic
Re: what is this starter for?
Re: ford truck parts needed  - off topic
Oldsmobile rocket dealer sign
Resurrection
Re: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal
Re: ford truck parts needed  - off topic
Re: looking for 1970 magizine
Re: Added a little weight - sub aiming
eVil 69 H/O inquiry not answered yet
RE: Note to IAN >> Can't send personal Email
Re: Resurrection
Re: Resurrection
1969 4spd 442 For Sale
Re: Resurrection
Re: Floorpan vendors and 67 Convertible for Sale
RE: Floorpan vendors and 67 Convertible for Sale
Re: Resurrection
Re: Resurrection
Re: eVil 69 H/O inquiry not answered yet
Re: looking for 1970 magizine
Round Two - Scrap Pile...
Re: Resurrection
Re: looking for 1970 magizine
Chicago area swap meet - Sun Mar 28
Re: Resurrection
67 4 speed pedals
Re: 67 4 speed pedals
New finds- 330 engine, 1966 442 E400, buckets, MT console, beltline trim, etc. 

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 21:10:23 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: ford truck parts needed  - off topic

Hey List,

        Sorry to be off topic but I need some help.
I am in need of a set of front rotor debris/dust shields for
a 81' F100. They are no longer carried by Ford. A nice used set
will work fine.

Tanks
The General       patton442@verizon.net

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 02:53:27 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: what is this starter for?

At 09:06 PM 3/17/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>gm front wheel drive would be correct 
>i believe it fits up to 84 as well 

According to the Parts & illustration catalog (as seen by the mounting
bolts going perpendicular through the starter nose), it's NOT for:
82-84 2.5L L4
82-84 2.8L V6
4.1L V64.3L V6 dissel
any B/G-body 307
350 dissel

And I was gwan say I was 99% certain it wasn't for a Toronado, until I went
to Rock Auto and looked up starters for an '85 Toro 307, and found this:
http://198.208.187.182/internet/PartImage.jsp?mfgname=ACDELCO&prodlinecd=31&
acpartnbr=323-322

So, that looks like what it's for: Toronado. Maybe other GM V8 FWD engines,
too.

SteveH

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 03:02:26 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: ford truck parts needed  - off topic

At 09:10 PM 3/17/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Hey List,
>
>        Sorry to be off topic but I need some help.
>I am in need of a set of front rotor debris/dust shields for
>a 81' F100. They are no longer carried by Ford. A nice used set
>will work fine.

Try calling Rock Auto; I bet they can get them:
e-mail: service@rockauto.com
phone: (608) 661-1376
toll free: 1-866-ROCKAUTO
or 1-866-762-5288

Hours:
8am to 6pm
Monday - Friday
(Central Time)

SteveH

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:18:32 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Oldsmobile rocket dealer sign

Rather than retype it, go here and read it.  For those of us that like the 
olds
dealer signs, this sort of thing will most likely not come up again.

http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6741
======
That is the damn coolest most totally BITCHIN Oldsmobile sign I have ever 
seen, bar none. Beats anything here in Lansing- hands down. Wow. 6 digits, 
huh? Damn.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:05:09 -0700
From: Oldsmagnet <oldsmagnet@oldsmagnet.com>
Subject: Resurrection

One of the fringe benefits I get at the f'rd dealership is reasonable 
personal use of the shop facilities.  OK, one of the ~two~ bene's...  Other 
one's discounts at local parts houses.  Guess that's all of 'em.  But they 
make it worth the hassle of seeing the 'f' word on every paycheck :-)  4 
post lift?  Oooh yeah.  Two 2-posts too, but I like 4 much better.  And 
~air~???  Yeah, that stuff's not just for breathing anymore!  Pulled 
engine/tranny out of the '76 Delta on Sunday (350, TH375) with intents of 
putting trans in Rockit.  Pull smokey'd-out TH350 from Rockit last night.

- ---now, I'd been, for whatever reason, under the assumption that a TH375 
was basically a beefed up 350, period.  Couldn't recall what all I'd read 
in the FAQ about 'em, but remember info was sketchy at best.  First thing I 
did was take the driveshaft out of the Rockit, and carry it to the next 
room and slid it into the 375's rear.  Slides right in.  Sweet.  Out comes 
tranny.  Looking at TH350 on stand - uh, wait a minute, this looks a ~lot~ 
smaller.  Never actually ~measured~ the 375, but it's MUCH longer. 
Basically it's a TH400 case.  Period.  350 output shaft, no idea what's 
inside, but it's NOT a direct swap for the TH350, as I was hoping it would 
be.  (Shoulda did a little more research I guess)  So I clean everything up 
and shove the Rockit off the hoist, and into a corner.  Today, on my lunch 
hour, I get the hairbrain idea to try something else.  So here's me lying 
on my side in the mud, snow, ice, and water, taking off trans mount on an 
engineless '70 Tempest.  And speedo cable.  Shift linkage and kickdown come 
off from above, as does the mech's wire holding the trans off the ground. 
Halfway thru my lunch hour, there's a second just-as-greasy TH350 sitting 
in the back of my truck.  Go home, clean up, grab a different jacket cuz 
this one's soaked and coverred in mud...

Punch the clock at 5:00 and attack 'new' TH350 with scraper, degreaser, and 
steam-washer.  6:00, clean big mess from wash-bay floor.  Had to be about 
6:30 when I got the Rockit pushed back up on the lift and started the 
actual project.  8:00 I'm dumping in the first (of 8!) quarts of ATF in 
'er.  Now, I wasn't sure (and still ain't) how this tranny's gonna hold up, 
the fluid was BLACK coming out of it.  I didn't pull the pan, just dumped 
it out the tailshaft.  It worked fine when I pulled the Poncho down, but... 
  Had a buddy show up just in time to help check fluid level, car won't 
stay running on it's own.  Suspecting the 3+ year old gas in the tank may 
be giving me problems.  That engine ran great when pulled from the donor, 
and I don't think I even took the air cleaner off when I swapped 'em, now 
won't idle.  Dunno.  Problem/project for another day.  For now, though, I 
can happily say THE ROCKIT LIVES AGAIN!  I've got to wait a few months to 
put plates on it (they expired in '99!!!) and they nail ya 2 years back 
here, so I'd lose some 8 months or so by plating it now, but it's drivable 
finally, which will make 'little' stuff much more attainable, like seats, 
carb, plugs/wires, valve cover gaskets, etc, you know, all the stuff I've 
been putting off, since it wasn't drivable :-)

Went out with buddy at 9:00 for food, seems he wants to build a drag car, 
Cutlass, of course, but wants to do a chevy 350.  Same guy works at a body 
shop, and keeps hounding me to paint the Rockit.  Now, it occurs to me that 
it would be ~great~ fun to paint the Rockit, ~and~ the drag car, 
identically.  And tow the drag car to the track, with the Rockit.  Much 
like this: http://oldsmagnet.oldsgmail.com/rkittrlr2.jpg only better. 
Would also be great fun at time trials....  run 'em both just to @#%@ with 
people  :-)  But alas, I work for the f-word, so paint...  that's pretty 
spendy.  So is a drag car, but hey, I'm one step closer, the Rockit lives, 
so it's all good again (finally!)

- -- 
=/   http://oldsmagnet.com   \===========/         Oldsmobile        \=
|  mailto:442@oldsmagnet.com  |=========|         1897 -- 2004        |
=\ Charley Buehner Sidney MT /===========\      Shot In The Back     /=

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:24:58 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal

> IIRC, the 413/426/440 might have been a hair under 1.8, and the 383/400
> were a bit over?


MOPAR 426 wedge = 1.83 rod/stroke ratio
MOPAR 440 = 1.8 rod/stroke ratio
The rods in these 2 engines are generally considered to be at near maximum
length.

> Was there some sort of rule though that once you got past a rod-stroke
> ratio of 2 or more, that there were some drawbacks to it?


Smokey Yunick didn't state any maximum rod/stroke ratio in his tech
writings. He simply stated to use the longest rod that would fit into the
block.

The main problem is the physical limits of the block and still keeping the
oil ring on the piston above the piston pin bore.

With that in mind, the maximum rod length for an Olds small block is 6.000",
the stock length. That's it. Nothing any longer will fit.

The maximum rod length for a 425 Olds is 7.3105" for a rod/stroke ratio of
1.84. With a 7.250" rod, the rod/stroke ratio is 1.82.

The maximum rod length for a 455 Olds is 7.173" for a rod/stroke ratio of
1.69. With a 7.125" rod, the rod/stroke ratio is 1.68.

I doubt that even a very tall big block Chevy derivative block could get to
a 2.0 rod/stroke ratio without running into mechanical problems with the
block and pistons and heads.

Obviously, the Olds 425 engine has a lot going for it.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:08:58 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: ford truck parts needed  - off topic

try motor mite ,better known as dorman products. also some of the companys that sell brake conversion stuff.
f-100 - f-250 should be the same
ron
> Hey List,
> 
>         Sorry to be off topic but I need some help.
> I am in need of a set of front rotor debris/dust shields for
> a 81' F100. They are no longer carried by Ford. A nice used set
> will work fine.
> 
> Tanks
> The General       patton442@verizon.net

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:13:28 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: looking for 1970 magizine

>wish the darn snow would go away.
>well you take care
>hope the low pointsin youre life quikly disapear.
>take care
>ron

Um, folks? You do know you're broadcasting this conversation to the entire 
Olds list, right?  :-)

Anyway, to answer the original question, you might also try 
http://www.magazinememories.com/

They sell old car magazines as well as other kinds. Finding exactly the 
right title, month and year might be kind of a longshot but you could try 
asking them anyway...

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:49:36 -0600
From: "jbschuren" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Added a little weight - sub aiming

same writer (ed's a good pal of mine). Anyway... yes.. in his test with the
car used, "best" result where achieved with this location, but as with
anything, your mileage may vary (Depends on the vehicle).

JB Schuren
71Cutlass Conv Rocket 350 w/HEI.
03 Dodge Ram 1500 Hemi QC
http://foggy.audioguy.net


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary Wiles" <royale455@yahoo.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Funny, I just read this article last week, it is also here:
> http://www.installer.com/tech/aiming.html
>
> If I understand the article correctly the sub should actually be located
closer to
> the rear of the trunk and pointed towards the rear.
>
> ...on digest mode
> Gary

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:03:05 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: eVil 69 H/O inquiry not answered yet

Huh, no answer yet, go figure.

So, I turned up the heat a bit, sent this:

No reply yet to yesterday's inquiry: Would you please be so kind as to 
provide a photo of the block's DRAIN PLUGS, right near the motor mounts, 
easily seen from below? Thanks!
- --------------------
It appears that this block is not at all original, but has been RE-STAMPED. 
I notice that conspicuously absent from the description is the Trans ID 
info, carb numbers, distributor numbers, etc. Not so easy to fake those, 
therefore, they tend to stay what they were originally, which would of 
course be different on the Hurst/Olds than on donor vehicles used during a 
half-restoration. In order to ACCURATELY represent this car and not be 
caught in a lie selling as "numbers matching" when in fact it is just a 
re-stamp... you would do well to look into these things and change the ad 
accordingly. It appers to be a great "80% restored" example, but passing it 
off as "CORRECT," when in fact numerous key components are not even correct, 
let alone original to the car, is nothing short of fraudulent. Get me a 
photo of the block drain plugs near the motor mounts and I can tell you for 
sure [probably] if that block cannot possibly be original to the car. By the 
way, the "VIN stamp" that your ad touts no fewer than 4 times as being 
"Numbers Matching" is not only incorrect size digits, it has a couple other 
cues that inidicate that it is not factory done. So, would you like to hear 
from the Legal Dept. about this, or correct the ad to reflect reality?

- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:17:56 -0600
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Subject: RE: Note to IAN >> Can't send personal Email

SteveR,

Apologies to the list for the personal message.

We have a new uber IT guy at work, he's cranked down the anti-spam stuff
so tight that our firewall is bouncing many legitimate messages.  I'm
sorry for this, its really frustrating.  I missed a couple of meetings
because of it (can't be all bad, right :)).  I'm trying to fix the
problem.
Ian

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Steve Reed
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 5:57 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Note to IAN >> Can't send personal Email

Ian,
	I'm trying to send you an email (W/Spreadsheet attached), but it
got
rejected the last two times.
	Do I need to zip this, or is you email box full?

Steve Reed 
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice 
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode) 
'68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine) 
Austin, TX 
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca 
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Ian Dixon
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 2:04 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal
> 
> Paraphrased quote from S. Yunick:
> Put the longest damned rod that you can in your engine.  
> Really wakes up a race mill, according to Milton.  However, I 
> doubt the magic number thing i.e., 1.7 is best.  This may 
> have sprung up from older OEM designs.  OEM Chryslers and 
> Olds had good ratios in the 60's and 70's, to mid 80's.  I 
> think its more like > or equal to 1.7.  Relative deck height 
> is one of the most important factors in allowing/determining 
> the length of the rod you can use.
> Ian
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of 
> 77w30442@comcast.net
> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:48 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Stroke to Rod Length; Ideal
> 
> contact milton ,
> i will e mail you what he has already emailed me.when i get 
> home n back on my own p/c tonight ron
> > All,
> > 	If my memory serves me correctly, the ideal ratio is 
> 1.7:1.  Can 
> > someone please explain this
> > 
> > 1.  Why is this # ideal?
> > 2.  What does a greater ratio do to engine performance?
> > 3.  What does a lesser ratio do to engine performance?
> > 
> > Thanx,
> > 
> > Steve Reed
> > '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
> > '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode)
> > '68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine)
> > Austin, TX
> > http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:07:51 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Resurrection

At 11:05 PM 03/17/2004 -0700, Charley wrote:
>---now, I'd been, for whatever reason, under the assumption that a TH375 
>was basically a beefed up 350, period.  Couldn't recall what all I'd read 
>in the FAQ about 'em, but remember info was sketchy at best.  First thing I 
>did was take the driveshaft out of the Rockit, and carry it to the next 
>room and slid it into the 375's rear.  Slides right in.  Sweet.  Out comes 
>tranny.  Looking at TH350 on stand - uh, wait a minute, this looks a ~lot~ 
>smaller.  Never actually ~measured~ the 375, but it's MUCH longer. 
>Basically it's a TH400 case.  Period.  350 output shaft, no idea what's 
>inside, but it's NOT a direct swap for the TH350, as I was hoping it would 
>be. 

Ah, I actually remember this one . .

Well, ok, cheated by looking at http://tech.oldsgmail.com/trans_ident.html
first...

But anyhoo....

"The THM375 is a lighter-duty version of the THM400 that used a 27 spline
THM350 yoke"

Slide up the page a bit and you see that:

"The THM375B is a heavy-duty version of the 350 and can not be
distinguished without disassembly or checking the transmission code."

So basically it's the fact that there's a THM375 and a THM375B, the latter
being the tranny you'd hoped you had, and the former what you actually have.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:23:51 -0500
From: Joe Vitek <joevitek@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Resurrection

King V wrote:
> Well, ok, cheated by looking at http://tech.oldsgmail.com/trans_ident.html
> first...

Ahhh, the child of this list (Gmail) supplies some info for the benefit of the
parent list.

I think the G-list has grown up. :)

- --
joe vitek (on the banks of the Merrimack River, Concord, New Hampshire)
http://oldsgmail.com/
http://mywebpages.comcast.net/joevitek/index.htm
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/C3carbhackers/
'83 H/O #2981 of 3001
'88 H/O Aero (to be built before summer 2004)
'81 Supreme (to be FE3-X clone MS'ed road racer)
'72 Kawasaki H1 500cc

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:40:24 EST
From: James244@aol.com
Subject: 1969 4spd 442 For Sale

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I hate to sell this car, but the wife says I have to many. I have owned this 
car about 18 years. It is a southern original solid car and it runs great. It 
will need a ext cosmetic restoration and the carpet needs to be replaced and 
drivers seat receovered. The motor is a replacement 69 400, the trans is #'s 
matching and it has a 3.90 to1 posi, the odometer shows about 78K original 
miles. The color combo is Dark Green ext and Black int. The car has power ant, 
power sterring, rear defogger, console, headers and a working factory tach. I had 
the trans rebuilt many years ago due to a bad syncro. The front winsheild has 
been replaced and the back glass has been re-sealed and the head liner has 
also been replaced.

I'm asking $9900 negotiable, please email me off the list at 
James244@aol.com. I also have detailed photo's of all the area's that I would want to see. I 
have taken many chevy guys for a ride in this car and blew their mind, the car 
is very fast!

James

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:18:57 -0600
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: Re: Resurrection

Joe - 

That sounds a little strange to me - not saying that what you're detailing
below isn't the case (no pun intended), but one 375-series in a 350 case,
and one 375-series in a 400 case?  That sounds like a lot more work than
what's usually par for the General's course...more believable to me that
there's two versions of the story, only one of which is true.

That being said, I know NOTHING about these transmissions.  Just smell a
fault in the logic somewhere.

Where did this info come from before it was distilled into the oldsgmail page?


>But anyhoo....
>
>"The THM375 is a lighter-duty version of the THM400 that used a 27 spline
>THM350 yoke"
>
>Slide up the page a bit and you see that:
>
>"The THM375B is a heavy-duty version of the 350 and can not be
>distinguished without disassembly or checking the transmission code."
>
>So basically it's the fact that there's a THM375 and a THM375B, the latter
>being the tranny you'd hoped you had, and the former what you actually have.
>
>	- Joe Vahabzadeh
> 

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:01:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Brian LeFain <slefain1@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Floorpan vendors and 67 Convertible for Sale

Year One has them, A647LHRH, $289.00 for a pair,
doesn't sound bad to me. Shipping is going to be $$$
though.

Brian
'69 Delta 88 Convertible


- --- Adam Marshall <armarshall@ou.edu> wrote:
> Hello:
>  
> I was wondering which vendor I should use for
> purchase of floor pans for my
> 67 442.  The whole floor needs to be replaced.  I
> have looked at year one
> and original parts group, and even at those sold on
> Ebay. does anyone have
> any recommendations?  The year one prices are high
> as usual..
> 
> Also, I am selling my 67 Cutlass Convertible, asking
> price is 2750 OBO.  Car
> has 72 350, Performer RPM Intake, Holly 750, HEI. 
> Also have original
> intake, carb, etc.  AC, PS, PB car.  Needs paint and
> a few minor things
> before daily drivable, was my daily driver until
> recently.  Comes with some
> extra parts (fender, hood).  Email me and can send
> some pictures and give
> details.  (Located Norman, OK).
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Adam Marshall
> 1967 442 Coupe
> 1967 Cutlass Convertible (For Sale)
> 
> 


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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:18:34 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Floorpan vendors and 67 Convertible for Sale

YIKES! No wonder Kevin King has so much more money than I do...


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Brian LeFain
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 12:02 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Floorpan vendors and 67 Convertible for Sale

Year One has them, A647LHRH, $289.00 for a pair,
doesn't sound bad to me. Shipping is going to be $$$
though.

Brian
'69 Delta 88 Convertible

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:51:18 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Resurrection

> That sounds a little strange to me - not saying that what you're detailing
> below isn't the case (no pun intended), but one 375-series in a 350 case,
> and one 375-series in a 400 case?  ...more believable to me that
> there's two versions of the story, only one of which is true.
>
> That being said, I know NOTHING about these transmissions.  Just smell a
> fault in the logic somewhere.


Sorry, Brian, but it's 100% true.

Ron Sessions and his two books, How To Work With And Modify The Turbo
Hydramatic 400 Transmission, pages 9 -16, and Turbo Hydra-matic 350
Handbook, pages 3-7. More detail than one would ever what to know.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:02:24 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Resurrection

Erm, well, I can't personally vouch for the accuracy of it.  I'm just
accepting it as-is, regurgitating the info, so to speak.

Then again, while I realize it's around 25 or so years ago, we ARE talking
about the same company that also makes two different Chevy Lumina models,
one of which is a car, and the other of which is a van.  :)

Always fun when people ask me to look up parts for their Lumina.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh


At 10:18 AM 03/18/2004 -0600, Brian wrote:
>Joe - 
>
>That sounds a little strange to me - not saying that what you're detailing
>below isn't the case (no pun intended), but one 375-series in a 350 case,
>and one 375-series in a 400 case?  That sounds like a lot more work than
>what's usually par for the General's course...more believable to me that
>there's two versions of the story, only one of which is true.
>
>That being said, I know NOTHING about these transmissions.  Just smell a
>fault in the logic somewhere.
>
>Where did this info come from before it was distilled into the oldsgmail
page?
>
>
>>But anyhoo....
>>
>>"The THM375 is a lighter-duty version of the THM400 that used a 27 spline
>>THM350 yoke"
>>
>>Slide up the page a bit and you see that:
>>
>>"The THM375B is a heavy-duty version of the 350 and can not be
>>distinguished without disassembly or checking the transmission code."
>>
>>So basically it's the fact that there's a THM375 and a THM375B, the latter
>>being the tranny you'd hoped you had, and the former what you actually have.
>>
>>	- Joe Vahabzadeh
>> 
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:56:42 -0700
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: eVil 69 H/O inquiry not answered yet

Christopher Witt wrote:

> ... So, would you like to hear 
> from the Legal Dept. about this, or correct the ad to reflect reality?

You have a legal department now?  The Oldsmobile recycling business must 
be good.

Or was the the firm of Knuckles, Boots and Knee :)))
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:40:13 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: looking for 1970 magizine

its just a friendly conversation. 
ron
> >wish the darn snow would go away.
> >well you take care
> >hope the low pointsin youre life quikly disapear.
> >take care
> >ron
> 
> Um, folks? You do know you're broadcasting this conversation to the entire 
> Olds list, right?  :-)
> 
> Anyway, to answer the original question, you might also try 
> http://www.magazinememories.com/
> 
> They sell old car magazines as well as other kinds. Finding exactly the 
> right title, month and year might be kind of a longshot but you could try 
> asking them anyway...
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:14:15 -0500
From: "Hurst Olds" <hurstolds@planetc.com>
Subject: Round Two - Scrap Pile...

Okay not literally out of the scrap pile... but...

I went back by the same friends' junkyard... to remove axles and stump from
an early 60's Chevy ton-ton1/2 rear... (for another friend) ya know... those
things are mighty heavy... anyways... guess what he gave me to set the stump
in for the trip down the mountain... a 15" chrome Olds Rally... I'm guessing
Delta 88 Holiday or something.  I had mentioned a while back for him to set
aside any 15" Rally's he finds for me... and he actually remembered!  Says
there was one other chrome wheel in the yard that he set aside (yard is
closed only very few people who the owner knows can get in) for me... but he
can't remember where he put it... :-)  plus a full set of steels... anyways
though if I can find another 2 15" chromes I could come up with a sweet set
for my '85 Delta... I know a guy that has a set of the Delta Holiday large
center caps that I can probably get for a lot of pleading... and a bit of
cash.  I've got the special Delta guage cluster and spare Cutlass reclining
buckets and console.  I might be able to make a pretty nice fake Holiday.

Later Gang...
Clayton

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:21:23 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Resurrection

>Then again, while I realize it's around 25 or so years ago, we ARE talking
>about the same company that also makes two different Chevy Lumina models,
>one of which is a car, and the other of which is a van.  :)

Let's also not forget a certain car company that built (simultaneously) one 
model of Cutlass that was rear-wheel drive and another that was front-wheel 
drive...

>Always fun when people ask me to look up parts for their Lumina.

Not to mention the people who are trying to sell theirs in classified ads, 
as well as others who are trying to buy them.

I'm always annoyed when I see an ad for a mid-'80s "Cutlass" with no further 
description. I'll call 'em up and ask, "Is that a Ciera?"

"Huh? I dunno; my husband just says it's a Cutlass."

"Well, is it rear-wheel drive or front-wheel drive?"

"Huh?"

etc...

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:13:47 -0500
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: looking for 1970 magizine

Well Andy...most of the email contained Olds stuff in it....LOL

Tami

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 14:43:53 -0800 (PST)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Chicago area swap meet - Sun Mar 28

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For those in the area, there will be a BOP swap meet at the DuPage County Fairgrounds on Sunday March 28 from 8am to 2pm.  It's sponsored by the Illinios Chapter of Pontiac Oakland Club International and it's a $4 donation to get in.  Both myself and James Aiello will be there selling parts and Rick Kromeich might be there too.
 
DuPage County Fairgrounds
2015 W. Manchester Rd.
Wheaton, IL
just north of Route 38 (Roosevelt Rd.) and just east of County Farm Rd. on Manchester
 
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:29:35 -0500
From: King V <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Resurrection

At 10:21 PM 03/18/2004 +0000, Andy wrote:
>Let's also not forget a certain car company that built (simultaneously) one 
>model of Cutlass that was rear-wheel drive and another that was front-wheel 
>drive...
>I'm always annoyed when I see an ad for a mid-'80s "Cutlass" with no further 
>description. I'll call 'em up and ask, "Is that a Ciera?"
>
>"Huh? I dunno; my husband just says it's a Cutlass."
>
>"Well, is it rear-wheel drive or front-wheel drive?"
>
>"Huh?"
>
>etc...


Ooohh . . I'd forgotten that!  Or I'd tuned it out because it'd happened so
often I simply no longer felt that pain... 


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 18:51:04 -0600
From: Adam Marshall <armarshall@ou.edu>
Subject: 67 4 speed pedals

Hello:

Can anyone tell me if the GM A body 4 speed pedals for 67 are
interchangeable... (Will chevelle pedals fit in a 442)?

Thanks, 

Adam Marshall
1967 442 
1967 Cutlass Convertible (For Sale)

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 01:13:12 GMT
From: geo.aigel@netzero.net
Subject: Re: 67 4 speed pedals

Yes. Only difference between chevy and bop is the bellhousing and internals thereof.

George

- -- Adam Marshall <armarshall@ou.edu> wrote:
Hello:

Can anyone tell me if the GM A body 4 speed pedals for 67 are
interchangeable... (Will chevelle pedals fit in a 442)?

Thanks, 

Adam Marshall
1967 442 
1967 Cutlass Convertible (For Sale)

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:09:15 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: New finds- 330 engine, 1966 442 E400, buckets, MT console, beltline trim, etc. 

#3 block I believe, notes with engine say it's a 45 degree block- I am not 
sure yet.

Whole engine, 78k miles, dismantled. Block cleaned, bores honed, new cam 
b'gs in place. Might have to replace LH rear oil gallery plug with correct 
unit with hole to lube dist'r gear.

rods resized, original HC pistons. Number 4 heads, bare and cleaned. 4V 
intake, cleaned. BEAUTIFUL crank, flexplate, #1-3 xst manifolds, timing 
cover, all bolts and fasteners, PS Pump. Grubby oil pan. Points distributor.

NEW RINGS, new valve springs, gasket set, new bearings. 1974 Factory 
CSManual too.
Maybe more, I have only gotten the stuff into the truck when it started 
snowing already again.

Needs only valve job, timing set and cam to assemble and be happy again.

It needs a new home. EASY throw-together with new rings and bearings, have a 
like-new sweet 330 high compression. Or, bore to 350 std size and use the 
W31 pistons, for an excellent W31-ish forged crank motor. Personally, I 
would not use the 1967 CI 4-bbl intake, I'd go for an A4 or aftermarket 
aluminum unit.

Would prefer to sell whole she-bang as a unit, but will part out soon if 
that does not pan out.

Going to see 1966 442 parts tomorrow- beltline trims, MT console, buckets, I 
forget what-all else. Interested parties please inquire DIRECTLY. Thanks.
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