
oldsmobile-digest       Saturday, May 15 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4889



Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th
RE: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???
Re: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???
RE: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???
RE: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???
Re: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???
Fw: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th
Re: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th
Precautions?  Old gas and oil in car...
Re: The 98 was Re: Precautions?  Old gas and oil in car...
Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???
carb for the 468 street engine
Re: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???
Re: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???
403 heads on a 350

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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 06:32:50 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th

Please do not send cr@p like this to the list again. It won't work; it 
*can't* work, and it wouldn't matter anyway. Don't you know that we 
still pay less for gas than pretty much any nation outside of the OPEC 
nations?
And if you must send spam to the list, could you AT LEAST A)NOT USE 
HTM-FREAKING-L AND B) TRIM THE MESSAGE! This message alone took up half 
the Digest. A sample of what it looked like is below.
Maybe I should send an email to all the email addresses that were still 
in the message telling them that you spammed their email address all 
over the 'Net?

krw
On May 13, 2004, at 12:34 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:28:20 EDT
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On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 09:41:28 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???

> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 13:11:25 -0500
> From: ilo@kwom.com
> Subject: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???

 
> Top needs some work, rear glass is missing. The rear glass can be
> replaced.  

Just so you know, the main top section must be removed in order to 
replace the rear curtain and window. So as long as you're doing that, 
you might as well replace the entire top.

> And the top does not go up. may just need some fluid.

Does the top motor run when the switch is engaged? If not, it could be 
the switch, the relay, any of the wiring, or the top motor itself. If 
the motor does run, it could be low fluid, have blown lift cylinders 
or lines, or even a leaky motor. 

> Power drums up front are touchy but work.

Front drums are not very desirable.

> I'm familiar with the cars history but I want to buy it and
> turn around and sell it for more money after I fix it. 
> He is asking 6000. I would like to sell it for 10-12k after I'm done 
> is that far fetch? 

Kinda depends on your area. A really nice convertible would easily sell 
for that much here in Phoenix.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 12:05:21 -0500
From: "JBS" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???

FWIW... my 71 has discs, a working top (but had to replace motor, line, and
rams after a year) and no welding on the frame and I picked it up for just
under 5K... it needed paint, but that wasn't a concern.

I guess what I'm sayin is , don't let the new paint job reel you in....
offer 5k or less cause I think you gotta bout 1k + worth convertible top
work ahead of you.

just mho.

jbschuren

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <ilo@kwom.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 1:11 PM
Subject: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???


> List I need your collective help.... should I buy this car I came across?
> It is a 1972 Cutlass Conv.
> 350 4lbb Auto T-350 Runs great.
> Dual exhuast with flowmasters and trumps.
> New black exterior. Perfect paint.
> No rust, just a little patch in 1/4, can't tell. No rust in fenders or
> doors ever.
> Interior is Bucket with console reg. auto. Perfect, no rips like new. No
Radio
> SS 1 are in great shape, with white letter tires. good tread
> Frame had some welding done and it is in good shape.
> Top needs some work, rear glass is missing. The rear glass can be
> replaced.  And the
> top does not go up. may just need some fluid.
> Power drums up front are touchy but work.
> I'm familier with the cars history but I want to buy it and
> turn around and sell it for more money after I fix it.
> He is asking 6000. I would like to sell it for 10-12k after I'm done
> is that far fetch? Of course if anyone on the list wants it after I'm
> done I would give you a brake on the price.
>
> Thanks guys
>
>
> James Aiello
> 70 442
> 74 98
> 68 GTO
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 10:11:54 -0700 (PDT)
From: kenneth treharn <kwt_1950@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???

Just my opinion. It sounds like a pretty nice car,,but
if u were going to keep it OK,,"but" these cars turn
into a nightmare, one thing leads to another and
pretty soon u have a lot of time and money into them.
I kiddingly say, one is lucky to get 50% of the money
they put into repairs and labor is free. I say it
jokingly but there is a lot of truth to it. I think
the best way to do it is if you find a "good" deal buy
it and turn it over as fast as u can without doing
anything major in time or money. Good Luck, Ken 


	
		
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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:03:04 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???

Amen to that brother. I bought my Olds for $4500, put several thousand
dollars and tons of time into it, and here I am trying to get $4500 for it.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of kenneth treharn
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 1:12 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???

Just my opinion. It sounds like a pretty nice car,,but
if u were going to keep it OK,,"but" these cars turn
into a nightmare, one thing leads to another and
pretty soon u have a lot of time and money into them.
I kiddingly say, one is lucky to get 50% of the money
they put into repairs and labor is free. I say it
jokingly but there is a lot of truth to it. I think
the best way to do it is if you find a "good" deal buy
it and turn it over as fast as u can without doing
anything major in time or money. Good Luck, Ken




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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:37:21 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???

I've bought a few nightmares in my day that ended up as parts cars. I also
kept with 3 years. '78-'80. I have a lot of spare parts, but have no regrets
on any purchase price.  The one on my website will be the only one that I
will never sell. Unless the good old government tells me I can't own it, it
will stay with me until i die. As the old saying goes, you'll will have to
pry it from my cold dead fingers.
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78
Pat Swanton  aka. Swanny


- ----- Original Message -----



From: "kenneth treharn" <kwt_1950@yahoo.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 1:11 PM
Subject: RE: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???


> Just my opinion. It sounds like a pretty nice car,,but
> if u were going to keep it OK,,"but" these cars turn
> into a nightmare, one thing leads to another and
> pretty soon u have a lot of time and money into them.
> I kiddingly say, one is lucky to get 50% of the money
> they put into repairs and labor is free. I say it
> jokingly but there is a lot of truth to it. I think
> the best way to do it is if you find a "good" deal buy
> it and turn it over as fast as u can without doing
> anything major in time or money. Good Luck, Ken
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price.
> http://promo.yahoo.com/sbc/
>

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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 14:02:24 -0400
From: "73H/O OLDSRIP" <jtmwalt@netsync.net>
Subject: Fw: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th

:
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th


>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jack Kopf" <jkopf@optonline.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>
>
>
> Subject: RE: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th
> > The world economy is rebounding and China is using more oil every day.
> > Japan was #2 in consumption behind the USA now they are becoming a
distant
> > #3. If oil moved with the rate of inflation in a normal pace it would
cost
> > about $4.00 a gallon to be equal to 1960 prices.
> >
>
> An interesting point on China.
> China is growing a a staggering rate, mainly due to everyone in the rest
of
> the world buying products made in China. In reguards to energy, we are
> feeding the monster that is going to eat us. One of the national news
shows
> had numbers that said, if all the people in China (don't remember # given)
> had there standard of living raised to the level of the average Mexican
> citizen, the oil reserves would be gone in short order.
>
> The way they  are growing, who knows. I have been deep in Mexico and there
> standerd of living is not very high.
> Something to think about next time you go to Walmart.
>
>
>
> Olds related, today I paid $2.08 for 89 octane in the H/O.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Cliff "Free gasoline is not a right." Simpson & Kermit
>
> Your right Cliff, free gas is not a right. But with so many of my tax
> dollars going to Iraq, it should be cheap.
> I know Canada has it worse, people are crossing over to Buffalo just for
> gas.
>
>
>
> Joe Walters
> 73 H/O
>  (12 mpg)
>

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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 11:06:45 -0400
From: "73H/O OLDSRIP" <jtmwalt@netsync.net>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jack Kopf" <jkopf@optonline.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>



Subject: RE: Fwd: Fw: Don't buy gas on May 19th
> The world economy is rebounding and China is using more oil every day.
> Japan was #2 in consumption behind the USA now they are becoming a distant
> #3. If oil moved with the rate of inflation in a normal pace it would cost
> about $4.00 a gallon to be equal to 1960 prices.
>

An interesting point on China.
China is growing a a staggering rate, mainly due to everyone in the rest of
the world buying products made in China. In reguards to energy, we are
feeding the monster that is going to eat us. One of the national news shows
had numbers that said, if all the people in China (don't remember # given)
had there standard of living raised to the level of the average Mexican
citizen, the oil reserves would be gone in short order.

The way they  are growing, who knows. I have been deep in Mexico and there
standerd of living is not very high.
Something to think about next time you go to Walmart.



Olds related, today I paid $2.08 for 89 octane in the H/O.









> Cliff "Free gasoline is not a right." Simpson & Kermit

Your right Cliff, free gas is not a right. But with so many of my tax
dollars going to Iraq, it should be cheap.
I know Canada has it worse, people are crossing over to Buffalo just for
gas.



Joe Walters
73 H/O
 (12 mpg)

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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 13:55:53 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Precautions?  Old gas and oil in car...

I've never had the problems with "old gas" that others talk about.  
I suspect the real problem, is contaminents such as rust, dirt, 
and moisture that build up in not-so-clean fuel systems.  

Bruce Roe

13 May 2004 "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com> writes:
> Don't throw stones, but remember when I started up the old '64 
> Cutlass with the bad 330 (2-3 leaking intake valves) on 8 year 
> old gas in the tank? It ran fine. That was 2 years ago. I burned
> that 10 gallons out and put in 5 new gallons. It worked the same.
> No problems. That 5 gallons is now over a year old and also works 
> fine. The Shell Aeroshell 50W was 8 years 
> old too (now 10 years), and I'm not bothering to change it.
> 
> Milton Schick

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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 16:18:32 -0400
From: "w-machines" <w-machines@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: The 98 was Re: Precautions?  Old gas and oil in car...

always trying to pick up parts.  You said you would be parting it.  Need a
rear bumper and a drivers side door panel for a 4 door
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Vahabzadeh" <king_v@mindless.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 11:54 PM
Subject: The 98 was Re: Precautions? Old gas and oil in car...


> At 10:50 PM 05/13/2004 -0400, w-machines wrote:
> >Joe is the 98 a 2dr or 4dr?
>
> 2 door.  Out of curiosity, why do you ask?
>
> - Joe Vahabzadeh
>
>

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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 17:36:21 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???

Those are good years.  Every car I have is powered by an Olds 
built 77-79.  License on the 79 Eldo (injected 403) is "I  LIKE 79".

Bruce Roe

14 May 2004  "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net> writes:
> I also kept with 3 years. '78-'80. I have a lot of spare parts, but 
> have no regrets on any purchase price.  The one on my website 
> will be the only one that I will never sell. Unless the good old 
> government tells me I can't own it, it will stay with me until i die. 
> As the old saying goes, you'll will have to
> pry it from my cold dead fingers.
> http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78
> Pat Swanton  aka. Swanny
> 

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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 18:30:41 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: carb for the 468 street engine

Hi all!
The 468 is already assembled, I will need a carb soon.
There are at least 3 sources of recon Qjets: Edelbrock, JET and Sparky...
all of them at the modic sum of usd 360. JET having the electric choke, Ed a
divorced one ( what is this?hot air aor just a cable - manual one? )
Now, new one is made by Ed and sold  at usd 456... would it be worth to
spend this mpore money to have a new one?
TIA
Matt

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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 20:26:05 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???

>  I picked it up for just
>under 5K... it needed paint, but that wasn't a concern.
>
>I guess what I'm sayin is , don't let the new paint job reel you in....

I disagree, JB. A documented, well done paint job is worth a lot of money. 
"just needs paint" is an expensive sentence. :)

However, he talks about minor rust in the quarter. AFTER new paint???? That 
tells me that corners were cut. Even after 10 years after a decent body / 
paint job, there should be no rust coming forrward. Sounds like bondo over 
rust.

George

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Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 20:42:14 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Should I buy 72 Cutlass Conv. ???

James!

I'd say buy it. But read further!

>It is a 1972 Cutlass Conv.

Well, what shall I say, those are nice cars. And the 70-72 still seem to be 
the most popular year of the 68-72 time frame. It is also one of the years 
that reproduction parts are easy to come by.

>350 4lbb Auto T-350 Runs great.

What's the mileage? Is it detailed under the hood or does it have 130k 
miles and it is all grime and old?

>Dual exhuast with flowmasters and trumps.

That's great, I had my duals with dynomax done for $300. So, that's no true 
value there.

>New black exterior. Perfect paint.
>No rust, just a little patch in 1/4, can't tell.

So, is the rust still there or had it been patched before the paint job? 
You say you know the history, so I hope that there is no rust any more now, 
right? If there is, then the body and paint are not good.

>No rust in fenders or
>doors ever.

Hard to believe unless it is a garage queen or has lived in CA or AZ. Where 
does this car come from?

>Interior is Bucket with console reg. auto. Perfect, no rips like new.

Better than bench, all right! Is the interior new or is it good looking 
old? Note that a nice looking old interior can fall apart on you quickly 
(it usually is brittle from age) as soon as you start using it.

>Frame had some welding done and it is in good shape.

Why? That's a problem!!! Generally, you would replace a frame in favor of 
welding it. If it had been welded due to rust, that tells me that the car 
must have had other rust issues. I have never had a car that had a rusty 
frame but all those cars had rust elsewhere. What I am saying is: The frame 
rusts through last!! If it has been welded because it cracked in an 
accident, also BAD!

>Top needs some work, rear glass is missing. The rear glass can be
>replaced.  And the
>top does not go up. may just need some fluid.

BS. If it needs fluid, the fluid leaked. If it leaked fluid, it will 
continue leaking after refill until you replace the leaky components. It's 
like those a/c systems that need "chargin". :) A complete top hdrauics 
system is $500. A good top is $1000 installed, there is $1500 right there!

>Power drums up front are touchy but work.

Those will have to go to have a half way safe ride. I thought the later 
cars all had disks. I guess I am wrong! For the resale you are aiming at, 
I'd want disk brakes.

>I'm familier with the cars history but I want to buy it and
>turn around and sell it for more money after I fix it.

If that's the reason to buy it, I'd say : DONT!

>He is asking 6000. I would like to sell it for 10-12k after I'm done
>is that far fetch?

Not necessarily. It depends on the mileage, if the underhood is detailed, 
if it truly is a show quality paint job etc. 12k is getting into the 
quality where it better be nice enough to take to local shows without being 
embarrassed. 10k is probably more realistic. It also depends a bit on the 
color combo. A brown on brown car will fetch far less than e.g. reds, blues 
or black.

Other things you have not described are:
Does it have any sport options, like steering wheel, dual exhaust cutout 
bumper, sport mirrors, bigger swaybars, rear sway bar and boxed arms etc.?
Does it have good chrome throughout and is chrome complete? The supreme is 
quite laden with chrome and having it all in place, shiny as new is rare!

>  Of course if anyone on the list wants it after I'm
>done I would give you a brake on the price.

Again, if you buy the car to make money, I think you will have a hard time 
to break even. 4k will be spent quickly to get it into good shape that may 
fetch you 10k. If you like fiddling with cars, want to drive it for a while 
and break even, not accounting for your time, go ahead. Also, if you have 
to tell your wife that  you will make money on it, so she allows you to buy 
it, go ahead. ;)

Cheers, George
71 442
71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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Date: Sat, 15 May 2004 08:46:28 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: 403 heads on a 350

I have a chance to get a set of 4A heads for $20.00. The #8  heads on my '74
are 79cc,s and the 4a are 83cc,s would the compression ratio be lowered or
higher with these heads. I'm at the
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofhed.htm#Heads
And I'm trying to figure this out with the formulas here. It appears to me
that more cc would lower the cr. Am I correct? I can still get the heads,
but only if it makes more power sense.
Thanks in advance,
Pat Swanton.

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