
oldsmobile-digest        Friday, April 2 2004        Volume 01 : Number 4841



Re: need Dr. Decal's contact info
Re: need Dr. Decal's contact info
Re: need Dr. Decal's contact info
Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]
Fire extinguishers
Re: need Dr. Decal's contact info
Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]
Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]
RE: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]
Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]
Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]
Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]
BMW
Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]
Re: BMW
Re:  Looking back and looking ahead...
RE: BMW
Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]
Re: More Dyno Stuff
Re: BMW
Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]
Re: BMW
Re: BMW
Re: BMW
Re: Fire extinguishers
Desktop Dyno vs. Real Dyno
Re: Beemers [was: Dealing with Generous Motors]

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:43:44 EST
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: need Dr. Decal's contact info

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Hey Chris!
       Off the top of my old bald head, I remember it being 
Mark.Cornea@ford.com    
Don't shoot me if I'm wrong (again).
                                                        Ron Forsee
                                                        65-442 Only Owner

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mber it being Mark.Cornea@ford.com&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>
Don't shoot me if I'm wrong (again).<BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  Ron Forsee<BR>
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =20=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =20=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  65-442 Only Owner</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:36:37 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: need Dr. Decal's contact info

I am interested in both the rallye pack gauges and the g-body floor shifter.
When I bid on the Evil shifter, you asked if this was the infamous swanny? I
replied 'yes' and then you said "well I guess I gatta take that off my list"
'confused in NH'
Is this the link you are looking for?
http://www.drdecal.com/
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:20 PM
Subject: need Dr. Decal's contact info


> Thought I had it, cannot find it
> Mark Cornea, Dr. Decal?
>
> I need some decals
> Right away
> Nice web site, but....
>
> 1) no phone # listed
> 2) no response to request left yesterday for assistance placing an order.
1
> day too fast to expect?
>
> -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Get tax tips, tools and access to IRS forms – all in one place at MSN
Money!
> http://moneycentral.msn.com/tax/home.asp
>

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:01:48 EST
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: need Dr. Decal's contact info

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In a message dated 4/1/04 12:58:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
swannys78@adelphia.net writes:

> info
> 
> 
> >Thought I had it, cannot find it
> >Mark Cornea, Dr. Decal?
> >
> >I need some decals
> >Right away
> >Nice web site, but....
> >
> >1) no phone # listed
> >2) no response to request left yesterday for assistance placing an order.
> 1
> >day too fast to expect?
> >
> >-----------------------
> >Chris Witt
> >1303 W. Miller Rd.
> >Lansing MI 48911
> >
> >RocketScience442@hotmail.com
> >
> >Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> >Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

Chris. Mark, works alot. He will get back to you soon. 

Dennis

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=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 4/1/04 12:58:24=20=
PM Eastern Standard Time, swannys78@adelphia.net writes:<BR>
<BR>
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: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">info<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
&gt;Thought I had it, cannot find it<BR>
&gt;Mark Cornea, Dr. Decal?<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;I need some decals<BR>
&gt;Right away<BR>
&gt;Nice web site, but....<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;1) no phone # listed<BR>
&gt;2) no response to request left yesterday for assistance placing an order=
.<BR>
1<BR>
&gt;day too fast to expect?<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;-----------------------<BR>
&gt;Chris Witt<BR>
&gt;1303 W. Miller Rd.<BR>
&gt;Lansing MI 48911<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;RocketScience442@hotmail.com<BR>
&gt;<BR>
&gt;Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.<BR>
&gt;Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Chris. Mark, works alot. He will get back to you soon. <BR>
<BR>
Dennis</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:05:34 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]

Tom, I'm sorry, but Bullsh*t!

Can't anyone operate their computer and find http://www.racegoodyear.com/ ?
At the top of the page, it specifically says "race tire price catalog." Do
we all know what "race tire" means?

In the catalog is ***all*** the professional race tires that Goodyear makes.
It includes everything from drag slicks, circle track tires, NASCAR tires,
SCCA tires, to cart tires.

Just read it.

And finally, go to http://www.racegoodyear.com/pdf/eprwtr_03.pdf . If Mike
Andersen's Formula Continental car isn't a Formula One car, then I guess I
just don't understand. His car sure looks like a F1. Andersen won the
National Championship in Formula Continental at the SCCA Valvoline Runoffs
on Goodyear Eagle race tires.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Bejma" <tomcb@prplastics.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:55 AM
Subject: RE: F1 facts [was: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]


> First of all, Goodyear does not even make actual FIA Formula One racing
> tires.  The only current manufacturers are Bridgestone and Michelin.
>
> Second, the aspect ratio of a real Formula One racing tire is no where
near
> a 30 or 40 series tire.  See link:
>
> http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/040126/5/whjs.html
>
> I would say it's more like a 70 series tire.
>
> Finally, the Eagle F1 Ultra High Performance Radials are (as the tire
> descriptions state) for Ferrari's.  Probably race Ferrari's such as the
> Formula One race support series that races identically prepared 355's.  We
> all know that anyone that owns a Ferrari is not going to mind shelling out
> $700 for tires.
>
> Tom Bejma
> Harrison Twp., MI
> [Die Hard F1 and Oldsmobile Fan]
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Infinite Space Systems, Inc. [mailto:imp@theriver.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:22 AM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes
> >
> >
> > Lets do it again.
> >
> > You are confusing the street marketed Eagle F1 with the
> > ***non-DOT*** Eagle
> > F1 Ultra High Performance Radial racing tire.
> >
> > The Eagle F1 Ultra High Performance Radial racing tire costs
> > about $700.00
> > per tire! That's not a street tire!
> >
> > If you will go to http://www.racegoodyear.com/ and click on
> > the ***Race***
> > Tire Price Catalog, you can go to each category of race tire
> > that Goodyear
> > makes. I picked the Eagle F1 Ultra High Performance Radial as
> > an example. F1
> > stands for Formula One.
> > It *is* a race tire and is *not* DOT approved. Also on the list is:
> > the Eagle Dragway Special,
> > the Short Track Special,
> > the Eagle Asphalt Track Special,
> > the Eagle Dirt Track Special,
> > the Eagle Sports Car Special - G19,
> > the Eagle Sports Car Special - Rain,
> > the Vintage Sports Car Special,
> > the Eagle Sports Car Radial - G19,
> > the Eagle Sports Car Radial Rain - G18,
> > and the Showroom Stock D.O.T. Radial.
> >
> > Milton Schick
> > 1964 442 Cutlass
> > imp@theriver.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:03 AM
> > Subject: Re: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes
> >
> >
> > > Here it shows it as an ultra-high performance street tire:
> > >
> > >
> > http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyeartireselector/display_tire
> .jsp?prodline=
> Eagle+F1&mrktarea=Performance
> >
> > I didn't see the F1 race tire you were talking about.
> >
> > Andrew Geeting
> > geeting@woh.rr.com
> > '87 Cutlass Supreme 461
> > '98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
> > http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf
> >
> >
> > > I'm sorry Bob, those were *not* street tires. If you will go to
> > > http://www.racegoodyear.com/ and click on the Race Tire Price Catalog,
> you
> > > can go to each category of race tire that Goodyear makes. I picked the
> > Eagle
> > > F1 Ultra High Performance Radial as an example. F1 stands for Formula
> One.
> > > It *is* a race tire and is *not* DOT approved. Also on the list is:
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 11:17:41 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Fire extinguishers

> Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:37:05 -0500
> From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!
> 
> At the shop wether it be head gaskets, intake gaskets, new 
> carb, injectors, anything to do with fuel, there is always 
> a fire extinguisher on hand as a rule of thumb.

Yeah, but those extinguishers can go flat after a while, so you 
have to keep paying to get them recharged, or even worse, buy new 
ones. That's why I prefer a bucket of sand - you KNOW it's always 
there, sitting in the corner with a couple of cigarette butts 
in it, ready and waiting to combat that carb fire. 
Yeah, that's it - nothing quite like a pail of sand dumped on that 
leaky 'ol Holley to smother a 100 octane blaze. So what if it makes 
a bit of a mess. You were gonna ditch the Holley for a QJet anyway, right? 

Kenneth
partaking of the 01 APR fun
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:34:36 -0500
From: Michael McDonald <McDonald_M@72ho.com>
Subject: Re: need Dr. Decal's contact info

On Thursday, April 1st, Chris Witt wrote:

>I need some decals
>Right away
>Nice web site, but....
>
>1) no phone # listed
>2) no response to request left yesterday for assistance placing an order. 1 
>day too fast to expect?
>

Chris,

Keep your shirt on, it's still too cold in Michigan to go topless!  Mark will 
get back to you! :)

Best wishes,
Mike McDonald
McDonald_M@72ho.com

1972 Hurst/Olds sunroof coupe
    "as seen on Speed TV"
   The American Musclecar    
            or
        www.72ho.com

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:01:06 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
Subject: Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]

At 01:05 PM 4/1/2004, you wrote:
>And finally, go to http://www.racegoodyear.com/pdf/eprwtr_03.pdf . If Mike
>Andersen's Formula Continental car isn't a Formula One car, then I guess I
>just don't understand. His car sure looks like a F1. Andersen won the
>National Championship in Formula Continental at the SCCA Valvoline Runoffs
>on Goodyear Eagle race tires.

Formula Continental is a (relatively) low-buck open-wheel race series.

It is certainly NOT "Formula One"-quality cars.

Check out the prices of used race-cars for that series:

http://www.racer-net.com/sccafc.htm

That's what a single F1 race team spends on Perrier for a single pit-stop. ;)


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 12:33:58 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]

Fine.

So I suppose you are still going to claim that low sidewall tires are never
used in professional racing, contrary to what Olds List member Ken Snyder
said, who *is* a road racer and has been there and done that, and the
Goodyear race tire catalog lists???

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Barry" <rbarry@providence.edu>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: F1 facts [was: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]


> At 01:05 PM 4/1/2004, you wrote:
> >And finally, go to http://www.racegoodyear.com/pdf/eprwtr_03.pdf . If
Mike
> >Andersen's Formula Continental car isn't a Formula One car, then I guess
I
> >just don't understand. His car sure looks like a F1. Andersen won the
> >National Championship in Formula Continental at the SCCA Valvoline
Runoffs
> >on Goodyear Eagle race tires.
>
> Formula Continental is a (relatively) low-buck open-wheel race series.
>
> It is certainly NOT "Formula One"-quality cars.
>
> Check out the prices of used race-cars for that series:
>
> http://www.racer-net.com/sccafc.htm
>
> That's what a single F1 race team spends on Perrier for a single pit-stop.
;)
>
>
> _______________________________________
> Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
> http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/
>

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:28:29 -0500 
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]

Milton,

Definitely not saying low profile tires are never used in racing.

See: 

http://www.btccpages.com/photodisplay.php?gallery=aj/2004/040316don&picture=
cb1

In fact, most "car type" race cars use a low profile tire.  Why IRL, F1 and
NASCAR use a taller tire - I don't know - they just do.  Maybe it's the
strictly race designed suspension as opposed to a suspension set up
originally made for the street?

I, like Ken, have also road raced in SCCA (ITA RX-7 at Waterford Hills in
Clarkston, Michigan) and we were limited by tire diameter in each class, but
width was whatever you could fit under the fender opening (aspect ratio was
not specified but was  based on what was being manufactured by the tire
makers).  For instance, 99% of the RX-7's in my class used 205/60-13 BFG
Comp T/A's.  If they made a 205/30-13, I'm sure someone would've tried them
(of course they would probably be dragging their header on the ground).

Also, Goodyear does make a great racing tire for lots of open wheel
applications (CART, IRL, Formula Ford, Formula Continental, Formula Mazda,
Toyota Atlantic, Barber Dodge, etc, etc).  They just are not a supplier to
the FIA Formula One open wheel teams (Williams BMW, McLaren Mercedes, BAR
Honda, Jaguar F1, Toyota F1, etc, etc).

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Infinite Space Systems, Inc. [mailto:imp@theriver.com]
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: F1 facts [was: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]
> 
> 
> Fine.
> 
> So I suppose you are still going to claim that low sidewall 
> tires are never
> used in professional racing, contrary to what Olds List 
> member Ken Snyder
> said, who *is* a road racer and has been there and done that, and the
> Goodyear race tire catalog lists???
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Robert Barry" <rbarry@providence.edu>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:01 PM
> Subject: Re: F1 facts [was: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]
> 
> 
> > At 01:05 PM 4/1/2004, you wrote:
> > >And finally, go to 
> http://www.racegoodyear.com/pdf/eprwtr_03.pdf . If
> Mike
> > >Andersen's Formula Continental car isn't a Formula One 
> car, then I guess
> I
> > >just don't understand. His car sure looks like a F1. 
> Andersen won the
> > >National Championship in Formula Continental at the SCCA Valvoline
> Runoffs
> > >on Goodyear Eagle race tires.
> >
> > Formula Continental is a (relatively) low-buck open-wheel 
> race series.
> >
> > It is certainly NOT "Formula One"-quality cars.
> >
> > Check out the prices of used race-cars for that series:
> >
> > http://www.racer-net.com/sccafc.htm
> >
> > That's what a single F1 race team spends on Perrier for a 
> single pit-stop.
> ;)
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________
> > Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
> > http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/
> >
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:36:20 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
Subject: Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]

At 02:33 PM 4/1/2004, you wrote:
>So I suppose you are still going to claim that low sidewall tires are never
>used in professional racing, contrary to what Olds List member Ken Snyder
>said, who *is* a road racer and has been there and done that, and the
>Goodyear race tire catalog lists???

No; that wasn't my point. I do know that the cars you'll find on an SCCA 
road-course or in a weekend parking-lot race wear the 35-series tires.

My point was to illustrate that low-profile tires alone do not guarantee 
better handling. I simply was pointing to the use of relatively 
tall-profile tires in NASCAR and (true) Formula One racing, two series that 
are widely agreed to be competition at the "extreme" level of performance, 
as evidence that the tires have to be part of an overall handling package, 
and that for our street-cars, we can have excellent-handling cars that wear 
60-series rubber on 15" rims.

I do, however, enjoy arguing with people whom I completely agree with. :)


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 13:58:20 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]

Tom,

Then we are getting away from the whole point of why I went to the trouble
of getting this info on Goodyear tires.

One of the list members was of the opinion that large wheels and short
sidewall tires were just a fad with no practical application. I knew that
was wrong and went to the Goodyear racing website to illustrate the point
that those tires were used in racing. My natural reaction to the 5 types of
Eagle F1 racing tires listed was that they could be used on Formula One and
other types of racing they were suitable for. Of course, the Asphalt
Specials could be also used, with their conventional construction on 15"
wheels. Different tires for different tracks for different cars, and mix and
match depending on track and weather conditions.

If memory serves correctly, the round racing boys went to large diameter
tires with short sidewalls first, then the car makers jumped on it for
styling purposes on premium sports cars, and then the aftermarket jumped on
it and started the fad we see now. However, racing was the first to employ
short sidewall tire/large diameter wheel technology as an advanced method
for getting around corners quicker.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Tom Bejma" <tomcb@prplastics.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:28 PM
Subject: RE: F1 facts [was: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]


> Milton,
>
> Definitely not saying low profile tires are never used in racing.
>
> See:
>
>
http://www.btccpages.com/photodisplay.php?gallery=aj/2004/040316don&picture=
> cb1
>
> In fact, most "car type" race cars use a low profile tire.  Why IRL, F1
and
> NASCAR use a taller tire - I don't know - they just do.  Maybe it's the
> strictly race designed suspension as opposed to a suspension set up
> originally made for the street?
>
> I, like Ken, have also road raced in SCCA (ITA RX-7 at Waterford Hills in
> Clarkston, Michigan) and we were limited by tire diameter in each class,
but
> width was whatever you could fit under the fender opening (aspect ratio
was
> not specified but was  based on what was being manufactured by the tire
> makers).  For instance, 99% of the RX-7's in my class used 205/60-13 BFG
> Comp T/A's.  If they made a 205/30-13, I'm sure someone would've tried
them
> (of course they would probably be dragging their header on the ground).
>
> Also, Goodyear does make a great racing tire for lots of open wheel
> applications (CART, IRL, Formula Ford, Formula Continental, Formula Mazda,
> Toyota Atlantic, Barber Dodge, etc, etc).  They just are not a supplier to
> the FIA Formula One open wheel teams (Williams BMW, McLaren Mercedes, BAR
> Honda, Jaguar F1, Toyota F1, etc, etc).
>
> Tom Bejma
> Harrison Twp., MI
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Infinite Space Systems, Inc. [mailto:imp@theriver.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 2:34 PM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: F1 facts [was: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]
> >
> >
> > Fine.
> >
> > So I suppose you are still going to claim that low sidewall
> > tires are never
> > used in professional racing, contrary to what Olds List
> > member Ken Snyder
> > said, who *is* a road racer and has been there and done that, and the
> > Goodyear race tire catalog lists???
> >
> > Milton Schick
> > 1964 442 Cutlass
> > imp@theriver.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Robert Barry" <rbarry@providence.edu>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: F1 facts [was: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]
> >
> >
> > > At 01:05 PM 4/1/2004, you wrote:
> > > >And finally, go to
> > http://www.racegoodyear.com/pdf/eprwtr_03.pdf . If
> > Mike
> > > >Andersen's Formula Continental car isn't a Formula One
> > car, then I guess
> > I
> > > >just don't understand. His car sure looks like a F1.
> > Andersen won the
> > > >National Championship in Formula Continental at the SCCA Valvoline
> > Runoffs
> > > >on Goodyear Eagle race tires.
> > >
> > > Formula Continental is a (relatively) low-buck open-wheel
> > race series.
> > >
> > > It is certainly NOT "Formula One"-quality cars.
> > >
> > > Check out the prices of used race-cars for that series:
> > >
> > > http://www.racer-net.com/sccafc.htm
> > >
> > > That's what a single F1 race team spends on Perrier for a
> > single pit-stop.
> > ;)
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________
> > > Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
> > > http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:02:07 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]

Bob,

As I just said to Tom, my point was to illustrate that short sidewall
tire/large wheel diameter technology came from racing first and became a fad
on the street second.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Barry" <rbarry@providence.edu>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: F1 facts [was: Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]


> At 02:33 PM 4/1/2004, you wrote:
> >So I suppose you are still going to claim that low sidewall tires are
never
> >used in professional racing, contrary to what Olds List member Ken Snyder
> >said, who *is* a road racer and has been there and done that, and the
> >Goodyear race tire catalog lists???
>
> No; that wasn't my point. I do know that the cars you'll find on an SCCA
> road-course or in a weekend parking-lot race wear the 35-series tires.
>
> My point was to illustrate that low-profile tires alone do not guarantee
> better handling. I simply was pointing to the use of relatively
> tall-profile tires in NASCAR and (true) Formula One racing, two series
that
> are widely agreed to be competition at the "extreme" level of performance,
> as evidence that the tires have to be part of an overall handling package,
> and that for our street-cars, we can have excellent-handling cars that
wear
> 60-series rubber on 15" rims.
>
> I do, however, enjoy arguing with people whom I completely agree with. :)
>
>
> _______________________________________
> Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
> http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/
>
>

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 16:32:49 -0500
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: BMW

BMW stands for "bust my wallet"......Super expensive parts and even more
expensive labor.......

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967 

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 16:35:38 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
Subject: Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]

At 04:02 PM 4/1/2004, you wrote:
>Bob,
>
>As I just said to Tom, my point was to illustrate that short sidewall
>tire/large wheel diameter technology came from racing first and became a fad
>on the street second.

No doubt. The F1, NASCAR and Trans-Am cars of the 60's were the innovators 
in that area.

Of course, the tunnel-ram intake manifold and Hilborn constant-flow 
fuel-injectors were also first used on race-cars.

I'd laugh just as hard at a Camaro with an otherwise-stock 350 running 
either intake setup as I do at the Acuras with the 35-series 17" wheels or 
the Cutlass with the 22" 20-series rubber (or whatever ridiculous ratio 
they attribute to those rubber-bands).


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:18:35 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: BMW

Big Money Wasted.
Best Moron Won.
Buy My Waste.

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
To: "Oldsmobile-Digest" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:32 PM
Subject: BMW


> BMW stands for "bust my wallet"......Super expensive parts and even more
> expensive labor.......
> 
> Paul Tumolo
> 1970 442 Hardtop
> OCA # 31967 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:42:15 -0500
From: robert.demuth@prudential.com
Subject: Re:  Looking back and looking ahead...

Heh ... and to think, I thought all your rides burned up in the Great April
First Leg-Pulling Garage Inferno of a year or 2 ago?

Bob DeMuth.
'72 88 conv
some other stuff


>>>
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 14:39:36 GMT
From: oldsmagnet@oldsmagnet.com
Subject: Looking back and looking ahead...

Well, they say for every bold plan, there must be a dream to begin with.  I
suppose mine's no different, I had this dream of being financially stable
and
not having to struggle to get by.
<<<

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 17:43:18 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: BMW

Here in NYC, it stands for "Break My Window".

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 18:00:57 EST
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]

In a message dated 4/1/04 12:08:52 PM Central Standard Time, imp@theriver.com 
writes:
- -- If Mike Andersen's Formula Continental car isn't a Formula One car, then I 
guess I just don't understand. His car sure looks like a F1. Andersen won the
National Championship in Formula Continental at the SCCA Valvoline Runoffs on 
Goodyear Eagle race tires. --

Milton,

Actually, FC (what we SCCA corner workers call them) cars are 4-cylinder 
(usually Brand F) road racers built on about a 7/8ths scale compared to true-blue 
F1 cars.  There is also Formula Atlantic (FA) which are quite similar to FC 
but I believe they have a slightly different engine package.

Which reminds me, our first road race weekend at Heartland Park Topeka is 
this weekend -- and I have to be at the Guard unit just north of the track:-(  Oh 
well, I'll see them when I go down to meet Chelsea after the day's over.  She 
works in Timing and Scoring at the races.

Take Care,
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:43:35 -0500
From: "W-Machines" <W-Machines@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: More Dyno Stuff

Actually the net ratings in 1972 were taken at the rear of the transmission.
Not on the rearend.  Gross is taken at the flywheel.  Thats why you have to
be specific with hp ratings.
regards
WMACHINES

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christian Sager" <chris.sager@cox.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 12:00 PM
Subject: RE: More Dyno Stuff


> I believe the earlier rating or Gross ratings were taken with no
> accessories on the car - just a free-flow exhaust.
>
> They then switched to Net which is simlar to the dyno run - engine on a
> stand with accessories but not necessarily with all things attached, no
> tranny, no exhaust.
>
> Our current HP ratings take into account all things attached to the
> engine as it sits in the car you buy.  There is no calc. for loss of HP
> due to tranny, but the flywheel, exact exhaust, intake and the like are
> all used to calc. HP.
>
> I may very well be wrong, but this was my understanding.  I bet Milton
> knows a bit more.
>
> Christian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Schopen, Kenneth
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 11:46 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: More Dyno Stuff
>
> > Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:33:29 -0500
> > From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
> > Subject: RE: More Dyno Stuff
> >
> > At 11:00 AM 3/31/2004, you wrote:
> > >So then how is it that the '72 W-30 was rated 300 hp @ 4700 RPM and
> > >410 ft-lbs @ 3200 RPM AT THE REAR WHEELS? Or am I mistaken
> > >as to what SAE Net ratings meant in 1972?
> >
> > NET rating is not at the rear wheels, but with the standard
> > corrections
>
> OK, I want to get clarification on this. I know that currently, in 2004,
>
> the net ratings are taken at the flywheel with the engine accessories
> installed, but I was under the impression that _in 1972_ the ratings
> were taken at the rear wheels.
>
> In 1970 and earlier, the ratings were gross, then in '71 they changed,
> then in '72 they changed again. This can be seen in the 350-4bbl ratings
>
> dropping from '70 to '72:
> 310 hp in '70
> 260 hp in '71
> 200 hp in '72
>
> And please, please, do not give me the argument that the compression
> ratio
> drop from '70 to '71 caused that much of a decrease in horsepower. I had
>
> a '70 Supreme back in high school, and it just barely edged out a
> friend's
> '71 (both had 350-4bbl and 2.56 rear gears), so I know the rear wheel
> horsepower was very close, even though the official ratings were vastly
> different.
>
> Does anyone have any info detailing exactly how the ratings were
> measured in
> that time period? This has come up several times before, and I have
> never
> gotten what I think is an adequate explanation for the changes over the
> '70
> to '72 time span.
>
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> Phoenix, AZ
>
>

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 22:04:10 -0500
From: Don Sowers <dstaxpro@infionline.net>
Subject: Re: BMW

Paul Tumolo wrote:

>BMW stands for "bust my wallet"......Super expensive parts and even more
>expensive labor.......
>
I have one, and if I ever get rid of it for anything close to decent 
money, I will NEVER have another one.  Decent enough car, but way too 
small for me.....

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Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:06:34 -0800
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: F1 facts [was:  Rollin' in my Cutty/brakes]

> Actually, FC (what we SCCA corner workers call them)

> SrA Ken Snyder

Cool. another common interest on the list. I used to be an active member of META, but recent work demands have taken me
away from that of late. Mostly just did a few local races and the Vancouver Indy. Ventured down to SIR for a few vintage
races though. Those are always fun events.

Kevin

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 19:36:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: BMW

Not sure how it is today, but in the '70s and '80s,
BMW parts were much higher priced than Mercedes. 
Strange but true.  I think it had to do with the crook
who got the North American BMW franchise in the '60s
and gouged all he could.  Grossman was the name, if
memory serves.

Until the mid-70s, low-end M-Benz and small BMWs
weren't that outrageous in price.  The little M-B
diesels ran a long time for their day.  My father
retired from steel hauling and bought as his
retirement car a '72 220 Diesel.  All kinds of room,
great handling, comfortable, 30mpg and would last
forever.  Unfortunately, it rusted just like
everything else back then.  He paid $6,200 for the
car...was one of those stories where the dealer didn't
pay him any mind because the sales weazel figured Dad
couldn't afford it.  Went out to Ann Arbor and laid
down his cash there.

Sorry about the non-Olds stuff.  I guess we're
straying a little.  Back on track.

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Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 04:06:04 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: BMW

At 07:36 PM 4/1/2004 -0800, you wrote:
........
>Sorry about the non-Olds stuff.  I guess we're
>straying a little.  Back on track.
>

Bill, please have the courtesy of signing your name to your posts so
everyone knows who wrote it. Some folks use e-mailers that don't display
headers as default and so don't see your name in the header.

Thanks,
SteveH

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Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 20:32:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: BMW

 
> Bill, please have the courtesy of signing your name
> to your posts so
> everyone knows who wrote it. Some folks use
> e-mailers that don't display
> headers as default and so don't see your name in the
> header.

Sorry, I did not know that (in my best Johnny Carson
impersonation).

Regards,
Bill Brooks
1970 Cutlass 'S'
2002 Buick LeSabre
1998 Olds Silhouette

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:11:31 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Fire extinguishers

our local fire marshal checks ours monthly and if not good we have 1 day to get it taken care of. we must have 12 in the shop area alone. but 1 yr we had a fuel fire, and a guy grabbed hose a big no. but  5 extingishers later fire was out.
ron 
> > Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 06:37:05 -0500
> > From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
> > Subject: Re: All Fired Up- the 350 rebuilt lives- but briefly!
> > 
> > At the shop wether it be head gaskets, intake gaskets, new 
> > carb, injectors, anything to do with fuel, there is always 
> > a fire extinguisher on hand as a rule of thumb.
> 
> Yeah, but those extinguishers can go flat after a while, so you 
> have to keep paying to get them recharged, or even worse, buy new 
> ones. That's why I prefer a bucket of sand - you KNOW it's always 
> there, sitting in the corner with a couple of cigarette butts 
> in it, ready and waiting to combat that carb fire. 
> Yeah, that's it - nothing quite like a pail of sand dumped on that 
> leaky 'ol Holley to smother a 100 octane blaze. So what if it makes 
> a bit of a mess. You were gonna ditch the Holley for a QJet anyway, right? 
> 
> Kenneth
> partaking of the 01 APR fun
> Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 08:28:22 -0500
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Desktop Dyno vs. Real Dyno

Here is the comparison:

Desktop Dyno = 364 HP and 452 TQ

Real Dyno = 340 HP and 460 TQ

Fairly close.......The Desk Top Dyno has no provisions for tempreture,
humidity and barometric pressure.

Paul Tumolo
1970 442
OCA # 31967 

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Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 07:38:06 -0600
From: "jbschuren" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Beemers [was: Dealing with Generous Motors]

e30's are great cars... have owned 2 in the past with very positive
experiences.... not as positive as my 71... but still...
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tom Bejma" <tomcb@prplastics.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 10:22 AM
Subject: RE: Beemers [was: Dealing with Generous Motors]


> I also recently purchased a E30 series Beemer (1987 325e - 137K miles -
> $1,500 from auction) to help offset the terrible gas mileage on my Saturn
> VUE and have more money for the Cutlass restoration <blatant Olds subject
> matter/off>
>
> That car was produced all over the world in almost the exactly the same
> configuration from the early 80's to the early 90's, hence an abundance of
> cheap parts.  Between eBay and Bavarian Auto (www.bavauto.com) I've been
> able to fix it up into a nice little Autobahn cruiser with decent
> acceleration and awesome handling (IRS).
>
> For this type of vehicle, give me German Engineering any day!
>
> Tom Bejma
> Harrison Twp., MI
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Mullins [mailto:mark@marineaviation.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 8:05 PM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: Dealing with Generous Motors
> >
> >
> > On the plus side, I recently bought a 1983 BMW 320 with 116K
> > miles.  It has
> > a few minor problems, but parts are fairly reasonable. (for
> > example, I can
> > rebuild the complete front end with all new parts for around
> > $500).  Slamming the car doors and trunk lid (errr, bonnet)
> > sounds like
> > slamming the door on a new car.  Most of the engineering on
> > these things is
> > fantastic.  So far, it's been a very impressive $900 car.
> >
> > M
> >
> >
> > At 05:34 PM 3/31/2004 -0700, Cliff Simpson wrote:
> > >>I sympathize, but trust me when I say that you won't be
> > getting any price
> > >>breaks on complex BMW or Acura parts; that's for sure.
> > >
> > >True but I won't feel bad pawning off the dying Olds to a furrin car
> > >dealership :0  Beside I know people who have furrin cars
> > that and they
> > >don't go "rattle rattle rattle" down the road at 70K.  I can
> > live with
> > >having to replace ABS stuff, alternators, and cruise control
> > before 100K
> > >miles but when the dealer tells you the pistons are wearing
> > out I find
> > >that unacceptable.
> >
> > Mark Mullins
> > Tucson, Az
> >
> >

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