
oldsmobile-digest       Friday, March 19 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4822



Re: Oldsmobile rocket dealer sign
Re: Chris Witt's legal dept.
Re: Chris Witt's legal dept.
Re: Resurrection
RE: 67 4 speed pedals
RE: Chris Witt's legal dept.
Re: Chris Witt's legal dept.
Re: Oldsmobile rocket dealer sign
Re: Resurrection
Electric window switches (1986 Delta 88 Royale)
65 442 Question
Re: Electric window switches (1986 Delta 88 Royale)
Re: 67 4 speed pedals
Re: Correction
Re: FW: : When Oldsmobile Production Ends
Re: Oldsmobile rocket dealer sign
Re: 65 442 Question
Re: 65 442 Question
Re: Electric window switches (1986 Delta 88 Royale)
Re: Resurrection
Re: FW: : When Oldsmobile Production Ends
Northern Ohio Olds Dust Off
Fwd: WIDE WHITEWALL RADIAL tire info (OCA, NAOC, member)
Re: Resurrection
Re: Change valve covers- PULL ENGINE??
Re: looking for 1970 magizine

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 02:19:07 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile rocket dealer sign

> http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6741

And Cheap's (the dealer with the sign) AND the sign, can be seen in some artwork,
available here:

http://www.dwautoart.com/

Scroll down on the left to the artist Arlen Olsen.  Then scroll down on his
artwork pages until you find Heartbeats and 88s.  Then click on the picture.
There is Cheap's, and the sign.  I've got this hanging in the bedroom.  Didn't
know it was a real place until yesterday.  Thought it was ficticious.

Paul

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 19:24:39 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Chris Witt's legal dept.

I hear Chris uses the firm of  Dewey, Cheatem & Howe !!

Joe Varley
     AZ

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:06:15 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Chris Witt's legal dept.

Is he dentist  I. Yankem ?????

The General       patton442@verizon.net

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:49:28 -0500
From: "Fred Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Resurrection

> engine/tranny out of the '76 Delta on Sunday (350, TH375) with intents of
> putting trans in Rockit.  Pull smokey'd-out TH350 from Rockit last night.
>
> ---now, I'd been, for whatever reason, under the assumption that a TH375
> was basically a beefed up 350, period.
- ------------------------

There are two different TH 375 transmissions.  One, the TH 375 B (B for
Buick) is a beefed up Th 350 and was used in full size Buicks in the mid
'70's.  The other, the TH 375 (no "B"), is a decontented TH 400.  Commonly
found behind the small block Olds engines in full size cars and Vista
Cruisers in the '70's.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:09:54 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 67 4 speed pedals

Not only are the pedals the same, so are the clutch fork, clutch fork boot,
clutch fork adjusting rod, clutch pedal pushrod, ball stud, bellcrank
bracket...

Oh, but not the bellcrank. Those are specific to each make. Pretty much
everything else fits all of the GM A-bodies though.

John Nasta
Old Car Network
http://oldcarnetwork.com


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Adam Marshall
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 7:51 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 67 4 speed pedals

Hello:

Can anyone tell me if the GM A body 4 speed pedals for 67 are
interchangeable... (Will chevelle pedals fit in a 442)?

Thanks,

Adam Marshall
1967 442
1967 Cutlass Convertible (For Sale)

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:12:10 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Chris Witt's legal dept.

I could have sworn his attorney's name was Helen, because one time he
suggested that I go to Helen Waitte. Maybe I misunderstood.


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Joe & Gloria Varley
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 9:25 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Chris Witt's legal dept.

I hear Chris uses the firm of  Dewey, Cheatem & Howe !!

Joe Varley
     AZ

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:27:25 -0500
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Chris Witt's legal dept.

Sorry Chris.
Didn't you write a book , Dangerous Stunts, Under the assumed name, Willy
Makit?
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:06 PM
Subject: Re: Chris Witt's legal dept.


> Is he dentist  I. Yankem ?????
>
> The General       patton442@verizon.net
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:40:17 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
From: dstaxpro@infionline.net
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile rocket dealer sign

- -----Original Message-----
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Sent: Mar 18, 2004 9:19 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile rocket dealer sign


> http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6741

And Cheap's (the dealer with the sign) AND the sign, can be seen in some artwork,
available here:

http://www.dwautoart.com/

Scroll down on the left to the artist Arlen Olsen.  Then scroll down on his
artwork pages until you find Heartbeats and 88s.  Then click on the picture.
There is Cheap's, and the sign.  I've got this hanging in the bedroom.  Didn't
know it was a real place until yesterday.  Thought it was ficticious.

Paul

The first time I was there was back in the early 70's.  Used to be one of the best places in KY to buy a new Corvettes and the like.  They also used doors from older cars and/or trucks hanging (or nailed) to the sides of big trees on the roadsides leading to Flemingsburg, KY.  The doors had things like SHOP AT CHEAPS or SEE US FOR A CHEAP PRICE, or some other corny type slogans stuck on them.  Localy they were almost as famous as the old Burma Shave signs....  I never did buy anything up there, but you can bet I checked their prices if I was looking in the Olds, Chevy or other lines they handled.....  They used to have a nice selection of used cars also.  Flemingsburg is a little out of the way town about 30 miles south of Maysville, KY, which is on the Ohio River....  A quaint little town actually......  I have some good friends who still live up that way...

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:08:02 -0800 (PST)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Resurrection

- --- "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com> wrote:
 
> Let's also not forget a certain car company that
> built (simultaneously) one 
> model of Cutlass that was rear-wheel drive and
> another that was front-wheel 
> drive...

....and on the other side of the coin, they take the
Lumina's successor and call it an Impala if it has 4
doors and a Monte Carlo if it has 2 doors.

Bill

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 20:38:44 -0800
From: "Robert Sailor" <rsailor@verizon.net>
Subject: Electric window switches (1986 Delta 88 Royale)

List,
Been a lurker on this this for a little while now and have really enjoyed
all the knowledge everyone has. So... I have a question for you.
I have a 1986 Delta 88 and the drivers side window started acting up today.
It will roll down just great but will to roll up. I pulled the switch panel
out of the arm rest to get to the back of the switches to see if it might be
a loose wire, but they seem alright. I believe it might just be a dirt
switch but before I just start trying to rip things apart, maybe some one
here can tell me the correct way, or, if there is something else that it
might be.
Like I said, it will roll down just fine. It just won't come up.
Oh by the way. I did finally get it to come up. When I had the switch panel
out I played with the wires and kept rocking the switch and it finally came
up, but I wouldn't want to do that every time.
Thanks for the help.

Robert

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:19:01 -0600
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: 65 442 Question

I'm looking at a 65 442 and have a couple quick questions.  I've visited
442.com and other sites and I'm fairly sure the car I'm looking at is an
original 442.  It has the 4V on the body tag and the correct casting number
on the block.  The question I have is about the trans.  It's a 3 on the
floor.

Was this ever offered?  On one of the pages I saw there were 90
3-on-the-trees offered but no mention of a 3 on the floor.  The console even
has a 3-speed marking:

R 2
|-|
1 3

The console also doesn't have a gage on it.  Did all 442s have the gage at
the top of the console?  Was this a console from a Cutlass or did someone
replace the 4 speed shift pattern markings with that from a 3-speed?  The
owner says the shift linkage doesn't work very well for 2nd gear which also
makes me think it's not original.  He also has an M-21 which he's throwing
in so I guess if that not the original tranny I'd toss the M-21 in it.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 05:23:50 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Electric window switches (1986 Delta 88 Royale)

At 08:38 PM 3/18/2004 -0800, you wrote:
>List,
>Been a lurker on this this for a little while now and have really enjoyed
>all the knowledge everyone has. So... I have a question for you.
>I have a 1986 Delta 88 and the drivers side window started acting up today.
>It will roll down just great but will to roll up. I pulled the switch panel
>out of the arm rest to get to the back of the switches to see if it might be
>a loose wire, but they seem alright. I believe it might just be a dirt
>switch but before I just start trying to rip things apart, maybe some one
>here can tell me the correct way, or, if there is something else that it
>might be.

Dust/dirt/corrosion on the switch contacts. The switches can be
disassembled and cleaned, but be VERY careful of the skinny plastic tabs
that hold them together as they can break. Once apart, clean the whole
thing in 91% alky from your drug store (don't use the 70% from your grocery
store, has too much water and leaves a residue). You may need to scrape the
contacts clean of green corrosion. Rinse it out good again. Scrub it dry
with lint-free rag or paper towel. Relube with dielectric grease from yer
parts store and reassemble. If it doesn't work right off, try it again.

If you get another from a Yarde car, it's as likely to have the same
problems or worse since Yardes often leave the car doors open. However, a
Yarde switch might have better chrome than your well-worn switches. It's
best to take yours with you to match up exactly; you can often find the
same switch in a different body style or division like B*ick or Caddy or
Poncho.

To keep it from happening again very soon, don't let rain or other moisture
get into the switches. Dirt doesn't really seem to be as much a problem as
moisture, which causes the corrosion that won't scrub off the contacts as
the switches are operated.

SteveH

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:29:56 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 67 4 speed pedals

They do for '64-'65. I would think the answer is yes.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Adam Marshall" <armarshall@ou.edu>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 5:51 PM
Subject: 67 4 speed pedals


> Hello:
>
> Can anyone tell me if the GM A body 4 speed pedals for 67 are
> interchangeable... (Will chevelle pedals fit in a 442)?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Adam Marshall
> 1967 442
> 1967 Cutlass Convertible (For Sale)
>

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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:24:18 -0800 (PST)
From: Frank Fellman <frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Correction

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So that's what that's called... 
 
About a year ago I was looking for a speedo with trip odometer and
found a '72 Delta convertible that had one, but I didn't realize until I
took it home and cleaned it up, looked it over more closely, etc.,
that it also had the 'fuel' alert, which lights (red) when there's about
5 gallons left.  It also has the 'speed minder', which buzzes when you
reach [or exceed] the speed to which you've preset it.  Three nice
options to have, especially considering I was looking for just the one!
 
                              Thanks, Paul!            ttyl... Phantom455
 
==================================================

Paul Tumolo <ptumolo@comcast.net> wrote:
A few days ago I posted a question about a "Twilight Sentinel". That was
wrong. I should have said "Safety Sentinel", code U15 on the build
sheet. 

The Safety Sentinel is the speed minder speedometer that has a second
adjustable hand that you select for the desired speed. Once you exceed
that speed, the speedometer buzzes.

It is a fairly rare option.......Interesting enough, my car also came
with the Nightwatch option. That is the delayed headlight system that
keeps the headlights on for 1 minute after the car is shut off.

Paul Tumolo 
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967


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<DIV>So <EM>that's</EM> what that's called... </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>About a year ago I was looking for a speedo with trip odometer and</DIV>
<DIV>found a '72 Delta convertible that had one, but I didn't realize until I</DIV>
<DIV>took it home and cleaned it up, looked it over more closely, etc.,</DIV>
<DIV>that it also had the 'fuel' alert, which lights (red) when there's about</DIV>
<DIV>5 gallons left.&nbsp; It also has the 'speed minder', which buzzes when you</DIV>
<DIV>reach [or exceed] the speed to which you've preset it.&nbsp; Three nice</DIV>
<DIV>options to have, especially considering I was looking for just the one!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks, Paul!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ttyl... Phantom455</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>==================================================<BR><BR><B><I>Paul Tumolo &lt;ptumolo@comcast.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">A few days ago I posted a question about a "Twilight Sentinel". That was<BR>wrong. I should have said "Safety Sentinel", code U15 on the build<BR>sheet. <BR><BR>The Safety Sentinel is the speed minder speedometer that has a second<BR>adjustable hand that you select for the desired speed. Once you exceed<BR>that speed, the speedometer buzzes.<BR><BR>It is a fairly rare option.......Interesting enough, my car also came<BR>with the Nightwatch option. That is the delayed headlight system that<BR>keeps the headlights on for 1 minute after the car is shut off.<BR><BR>Paul Tumolo <BR>1970 442 Hardtop<BR>OCA # 31967<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:35:59 -0800 (PST)
From: Frank Fellman <frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: FW: : When Oldsmobile Production Ends

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Sooooo... who among us is going to be in Lansing April 29 waiting 
to buy  the  last Alero??  Any takers for that [dubiously] desirable
piece of Oldsmobile history?
                                                 ;o)))))   Phantom455
 
================================================

Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

I went to the Dallas auto Show here in, um, Dallas :) a couple of 
weekends ago, and I was astounded that the booth bunny at the Olds 
display was rattling on about how you could get the Alero, Bravada, and 
Silhouette in 'final year' maroon - a color unique to final production 
year.


<snip>

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<DIV>Sooooo... who among us is going to be in Lansing April 29 waiting </DIV>
<DIV>to buy &nbsp;<EM>the</EM>&nbsp; last Alero??&nbsp; Any takers for that [dubiously] desirable</DIV>
<DIV>piece of Oldsmobile history?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ;o)))))&nbsp;&nbsp; Phantom455</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>================================================<BR><BR><B><I>Kevin Wright &lt;krwright@sbcglobal.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">
<P>I went to the Dallas auto Show here in, um, Dallas :) a couple of <BR>weekends ago, and I was astounded that the booth bunny at the Olds <BR>display was rattling on about how you could get the Alero, Bravada, and <BR>Silhouette in 'final year' maroon - a color unique to final production <BR>year.<BR></P>
<P>&lt;snip&gt;</P></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:06:24 -0800 (PST)
From: Frank Fellman <frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile rocket dealer sign

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Note to self:  buy many SuperLotto tickets for Saturday night!!
 
                                  Phantom455
 
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Christopher Witt <rocketscience442@hotmail.com> wrote:


Rather than retype it, go here and read it. For those of us that like the 
olds
dealer signs, this sort of thing will most likely not come up again.

http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6741
======
That is the damn coolest most totally BITCHIN Oldsmobile sign I have ever 
seen, bar none. Beats anything here in Lansing- hands down. Wow. 6 digits, 
huh? Damn.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

_________________________________________________________________
Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet 
access. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/

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<DIV>Note to self:&nbsp; buy many SuperLotto tickets for Saturday night!!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phantom455</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>=============================================<BR><BR><B><I>Christopher Witt &lt;rocketscience442@hotmail.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR><BR>Rather than retype it, go here and read it. For those of us that like the <BR>olds<BR>dealer signs, this sort of thing will most likely not come up again.<BR><BR>http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=6741<BR>======<BR>That is the damn coolest most totally BITCHIN Oldsmobile sign I have ever <BR>seen, bar none. Beats anything here in Lansing- hands down. Wow. 6 digits, <BR>huh? Damn.<BR>-----------------------<BR>Chris Witt<BR>1303 W. Miller Rd.<BR>Lansing MI 48911<BR><BR>RocketScience442@hotmail.com<BR><BR>Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.<BR>Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days<BR><BR>_________________________________________________________________<BR>Find a broadband plan that fits. Great local deals on high-speed Internet <BR>access. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 23:13:04 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 65 442 Question

I can't remember about the 3-speed manual being available for a '65 442 or
not.

Milton
_________

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 10:19 PM
Subject: 65 442 Question


> I'm looking at a 65 442 and have a couple quick questions.  I've visited
> 442.com and other sites and I'm fairly sure the car I'm looking at is an
> original 442.  It has the 4V on the body tag and the correct casting
number
> on the block.  The question I have is about the trans.  It's a 3 on the
> floor.
>
> Was this ever offered?  On one of the pages I saw there were 90
> 3-on-the-trees offered but no mention of a 3 on the floor.  The console
even
> has a 3-speed marking:
>
> R 2
> |-|
> 1 3
>
> The console also doesn't have a gage on it.  Did all 442s have the gage at
> the top of the console?  Was this a console from a Cutlass or did someone
> replace the 4 speed shift pattern markings with that from a 3-speed?  The
> owner says the shift linkage doesn't work very well for 2nd gear which
also
> makes me think it's not original.  He also has an M-21 which he's throwing
> in so I guess if that not the original tranny I'd toss the M-21 in it.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks
>
>

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 01:00:06 -0600
From: "Doug Newman" <newmand@oldsgmail.com>
Subject: Re: 65 442 Question

Milton wrote:

<I can't remember about the 3-speed manual being available for a '65 442
or not.>

This is just going from the Olds FAQ at:
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/of442.htm#442%20Production for the 1965 442.
Out of the 25,003 total units produced for 1965, 690 442's were listed
as 3-speeds.  But there's no breakdown of tree vs. floor setup in that
particular section of the FAQ.  (My not-so-dearly departed '65 was an
automatic, so that's all I ever saw.  ;-)


Doug Newman                  1987 442              OCA # 30311
Columbus, MS                    

http://store.oldsgmail.com                             The Store    
http://newmand.oldsgmail.com                       My Home Page

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:05:54 -0500
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Electric window switches (1986 Delta 88 Royale)

Besides what Steve said about repairing the switches, some of them are
available in the "Help" packages at parts stores. Not all styles are
available but maybe you get lucky.

drc

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:39:04 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Resurrection

> >Then again, while I realize it's around 25 or so years ago, we ARE talking
> >about the same company that also makes two different Chevy Lumina models,
> >one of which is a car, and the other of which is a van.  :)

The same company that, in '99, had two different full size pickups, with the
same name?  And nobody knows if they have a "new style" or a "carryover style"?

The same company that has two M@libus for '04, New style and Classic?

The same company that offered a 4.3 W code V6 and a 4.3 X code motor as well as
a 4.3 W code V8?

Parts is a fun business...

Paul

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:56:04 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: FW: : When Oldsmobile Production Ends

> Sooooo... who among us is going to be in Lansing April 29 waiting 
> to buy  the  last Alero??  Any takers for that [dubiously] desirable
> piece of Oldsmobile history?

That would have to be the 2nd to the last one.  The last one of each series as been going to the museum in Lansing.

Paul

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 09:52:00 -0500
From: "James Savnik" <j.savnik@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Northern Ohio Olds Dust Off

The Northern Ohio Chapter of the OCA will sponser it annual Spring Dust Off
on Sunday May 2, 2004 at the Southwest Cafe in Broadview Hts Ohio(20 min
south of Cleveland) You can e-mail me for directions/information

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 07:05:01 -0800 (PST)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Fwd: WIDE WHITEWALL RADIAL tire info (OCA, NAOC, member)

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FYI.  received this directly.  Contact Sal Rizzo at 57olds88@optonline.net if interested.
 
Chris
grp442@yahoo.com


From: Sal Rizzo <57olds88@optonline.net>
Subject: WIDE WHITEWALL RADIAL tire info (OCA, NAOC, member)
To: gloryrestoparts@yahoo.com


Hi Chris:
 
If you know anyone who may be interested in this set of  tires, let me know.  Many thanks. 
 
Regards,
 
Sal Rizzo #26258
 
Subject: WIDE WHITEWALL RADIAL tire info


Wide whitewall radial tires, 4 (Cooper) Hercules MRX PLUS IV, P225-14, M/S rated, all season conservative design tread.   Brand new, never mounted.  Sacrifice:  $475 plus shipping.  Sal Rizzo  631-366-1557 after 8pm EST, or Email:  57olds88@OPTonline.net for complete manufacturer specs and details
 
****From the manufacturer:
 
  How are your tires made?
      We use a process known as Vulcanization, a process discovered by Charles Goodyear. Vulcanization is a process by which two pieces of rubber are permanently joined by temperature, time, & pressure.
      White rubber has nothing to add to the strength of a tires sidewall - it is purely ornamental. Therefore vulcanizing the whitewall on while the whole tire is being cured, or whether it is added later makes no difference. Our system allows us to offer an infinite number of tire sizes and whitewall widths, and it also allows us to very closely monitor our quality control. Since we use only tires produced by major manufacturers, our problems with balancing, traction, irregular wear patterns, excessive weight and noise levels are virtually non existent
 
Radial tires offer these improvements:
           easier steering
           quicker steering response
           improved ride
           better stability
           less wandering
           less road shock
 better puncture resistance
 less rolling resistance
 better fuel economy
 better braking
 improved traction
 longer tread life
 much safer
Hercules MRX Plus IV


 
******THE PICTURE BELOW IS THE ACTUAL TIRE.



All Season Radial 
Two full width steel belts stabilize tread for control and even wear. Slotted shoulders/wide grooves provide all weather traction and hydroplaning resistance. All season tread design for road-biting grip. Variable pitch tread design for a quiet ride. Modern computer designed tread for great looks and long mileage. M&S rated.



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<DIV>FYI.&nbsp; received this directly.&nbsp; Contact Sal Rizzo at <A href="mailto:57olds88@optonline.net">57olds88@optonline.net</A> if interested.</DIV>
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<DIV>Chris</DIV>
<DIV>grp442@yahoo.com<BR><BR></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=arial size=-1>From: Sal Rizzo &lt;57olds88@optonline.net&gt;<BR>Subject: WIDE WHITEWALL RADIAL tire info (OCA, NAOC, member)<BR>To: gloryrestoparts@yahoo.com<BR><BR>
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<DIV><B>Hi Chris:</B></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>If you know anyone who may be interested in&nbsp;this set of&nbsp; tires, let me know.&nbsp; Many thanks. </STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG>Regards,</STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><B>Subject:</B> WIDE WHITEWALL RADIAL tire info</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic" size=2>Wide whitewall radial tires, 4 (Cooper) Hercules MRX PLUS IV, P225-14, M/S rated, all season conservative design tread.&nbsp;&nbsp; Brand new, never mounted.&nbsp; Sacrifice:&nbsp; $475 plus shipping.&nbsp; Sal Rizzo&nbsp; 631-366-1557 after 8pm EST, or Email:&nbsp; <A href="mailto:57olds88@OPTonline.net">57olds88@OPTonline.net</A> for complete manufacturer specs and details</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic" size=2>****From the manufacturer:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=2><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp;How are your tires made?<BR></STRONG>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; We use a process known as Vulcanization, a process discovered by Charles Goodyear. Vulcanization is a process by which two pieces of rubber are permanently joined by temperature, time, &amp; pressure.<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; White rubber has nothing to add to the strength of a tires sidewall - it is purely ornamental. Therefore vulcanizing the whitewall on while the whole tire is being cured, or whether it is added later makes no difference. Our system allows us to offer an infinite number of tire sizes and whitewall widths, and it also allows us to very closely monitor our quality control. Since we use only tires produced by major manufacturers, our problems with balancing, traction, irregular wear patterns, excessive weight and noise levels are virtually non existent</FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<P><FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=1><B><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></B></FONT> <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>easier steering<BR><B>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</B></FONT> <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>quicker steering </FONT><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>response<BR><B>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</B></FONT> <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>improved ride<BR><B>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</B></FONT> <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>better stability<BR><B>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</B></FONT> <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>less wandering<BR><B>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</B></FONT> <FONT face="Arial,
 Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>less road shock</FONT></P></TD>
<TD vAlign=top width="47%" bgColor=#ffffcc><FONT face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=1><B><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2></FONT></B></FONT> <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>better puncture resistance<BR><B></B></FONT> <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>less rolling resistance<BR><B></B></FONT> <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>better fuel economy<BR><B></B></FONT> <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>better braking<BR><B></B></FONT> <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>improved traction<BR><B></B></FONT> <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>longer tread life<BR><B></B></FONT> <FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2>much safer</FONT><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size=2></FONT></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face="Century Gothic" size=2>******THE PICTURE BELOW IS THE ACTUAL TIRE.</FONT><BR></DIV>
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<TD vAlign=top width=250 height=200><BR><FONT face=Arial size=+1>All Season Radial</FONT> 
<P><FONT face=Arial>Two full width steel belts stabilize tread for control and even wear. Slotted shoulders/wide grooves provide all weather traction and hydroplaning resistance. All season tread design for road-biting grip. Variable pitch tread design for a quiet ride. Modern computer designed tread for great looks and long mileage. M&amp;S rated.</FONT></P><BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><p><font face=arial size=-1>Do you Yahoo!?<br>
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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 11:20:19 EST
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Resurrection

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In a message dated 3/18/2004 10:10:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
fsnissen@worldnet.att.net writes:
There are two different TH 375 transmissions.  One, the TH 375 B (B for
Buick) is a beefed up Th 350 and was used in full size Buicks in the mid
'70's.  The other, the TH 375 (no "B"), is a decontented TH 400.  Commonly
found behind the small block Olds engines in full size cars and Vista
Cruisers in the '70's.
Don't know if this is pertinent or not, by my 75 Delta has a TH350 with a 375 
yoke into the trans housing. I was told this was the only year they did that. 
Anyone know why that is?

Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92 Eldo

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 08:38:27 -0800 (PST)
From: kenneth treharn <kwt_1950@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Change valve covers- PULL ENGINE??

Hello  Engine is out. I put it on a stand. I had
already drain the oil while it was in the car. I
unbolted the pan and dropped the pan, oil pored out of
the pickup into the pan. Probably 3/4 of a Qt. I
thought that was strange I strain the oil from the
pan, it had a lot of neopreme from the timing gear in
it. Pulled the pump off, it had the baffel partly
covering the screen and it to was filled with
neopreme.  I figured I would put a new camshaft and
lifters in also so I remove the exiting ones. Hmmmm
cam bearings don't look good. The top of the bearing
look like emory cloth was taking to them while the
bottoms look good.  I haven't seen bearing like take
before. Not sure if it was from not enough oil or the
bottom timing gear being out of line because of the
way it was made being keyed only 1/3 through and not
being able to center itself. Well, I have another
engine with the machine work done that was going into
another "project" cars. I guess I will put it together
because it is better to put in a fresh engine than do
it again later, it is a stardard bore 455. Machined
honed it almost clean up at .0045. I have a set of hi-
comp TRW forged standard bore pistons that I will use.
Also have fresh valve job G heads, nothing fancy. With
fat Fel-pro gaskets I hope it will be under 9.5
compression. I have a nice set of factory cast 9 to 1
pistons, both sets on the rods. I am kinda considering
the lo-po's because of octane rating of gas but that
is a hair more clearance for cast pistons. Probably go
with the forged. I will have to drink a few beers this
weekend and talk it over with my "Olds Boys."  All
this because of leaking valve covers!  One more thing,
my picker was about 5 inches short of being centered,
this car has a LONG front end, so I will have to get a
piece of longer box tubing to exstend my picker, i
have a set of old heads strapped to the front of my
picker for extra counter weigh.  Later, Ken

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Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 17:13:15 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: looking for 1970 magizine

>Well Andy...most of the email contained Olds stuff in it....LOL

No, no, don't misunderstand me; I'm not trying to be List Censor here, but 
we get a lot of people hitting their Reply button and thinking that it's 
configured to send email to the original poster only.

On this particular list, it's not set up that way: pressing Reply is 
essentially the same as pressing Reply All; you're addressing, what, several 
hundred people here (Greg? Any headcount recently?), so be careful what 
you're going to confess to.  :-)

Now returning us all to Olds discussion...

- -- Andy

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