
oldsmobile-digest       Friday, April 30 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4873



Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP
Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP
Re: 1970 Cutlass Headlight Buckets?
Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP
Re: Oh, the Humility...
Re: 72 455 Engine, exhaust manifold paint and fasteners advice needed!
Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP
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RE: 1970 Cutlass Headlight Buckets?
Re: Paintless Dent Repair
Re: Last Olds!!!!!
Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP
score another one for the  list
Re: score another one for the  list
Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP
Power Steering Pulley Removal 102
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Re: 1970 Cutlass Headlight Buckets?
Re: 1970 Cutlass Headlight Buckets?
Re: 330 Olds heads
Re: 1970 Cutlass Headlight Buckets?
Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:35:58 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

> > The last Olds V8 RWD car was built in 1990, not 1987.  Remember the last
of
> > the square style Custom Cruiser wagons?
>
> So, the Custom C@prices last built in '92 don't count?
>
> Paul

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You will note I said "Olds V8."  The '91-'92 Custom Cruisers were nice
enough cars, but were Chevy powered.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:57:52 EDT
From: OldsGuyGA@aol.com
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

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WHY is everyone so sad.......................
GM did this to them selves ...............
they stopped production on the RWD "A" body in the late 80's and it's been 
down hill ever since !!!!

Then they made the Alaro........the Bravada to compete with the Chevy 
Blazer.......the
mini van and the Arora...........what a poor line up of cars..............

Long live Buick motor division...........I love my 68  Skylark convert   i 
had a 72  442 prior to that   love them both 
jeff 

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:16:36 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1970 Cutlass Headlight Buckets?

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In a message dated 4/28/04 2:09:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time,  
mitzm@earthlink.net
writes:

> My right headlight bucket assembly is all screwed up from a long ago 
> accident (before I got the car).    The adjusters are broken and the stainless 
> retainer ring has ears broken off and some of the self tapping screws  I've got 
> it sort of jury rigged to work and look OK but I'm in the market for a 
> replacement.    This is the part from the headlights back to the radiator supports 
> tha incorporates the adjusters and the headlight retainer rings.  A couple of 
> questions.
> 
> Are 71,72 the same as 70?   Maybe 69?  Are Buick Skylarks of the era 
> possibly the the same?   Seems like others ought to interchange.   I want to bump up 
> my probability of finding it in the pick-a-parts.
> 
> What would this part be called on ebay, should I need to go that way?
> 
> Anybody got one they'd like to part with?
> 
Hans,
        The parts that you need for your 70 Cutlass are, as far as Olds goes 
anyway, 70 only items, and 71, 72 parts will NOT interchange.  Not being 
familiar with 69 cars I cannot comment on that part of it.  I would be happy to 
look up those parts in an Oldsmobile Parts Catalog for you and check.  I will do 
that tonight and post my findings tomorrow along with the correct part names 
and part numbers.  A friend may have them, as he parted out a 70 Rallye 350 and 
I think the front end was intact.  Contact me off list for his name and phone 
number.  I have a couple of sets of 70 headlight bezels, reproduction, if 
you're interested.  These are the same parts you would get if you bought them 
from Year One or any of the other Olds parts vendors.  These are the outer part 
of the headlight setup, the shiny parts that surround the headlights after 
everything is installed.  Year One sells them for $124, I'll take $100 plus 
shipping.  Contact me off list if interested.
Thanks,
Steve



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=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 4/28/04 2:09:30=20=
PM Pacific Daylight Time,&nbsp; mitzm@earthlink.net</FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#0=
00000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=
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>writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">My right headlight bucket assem=
bly is all screwed up from a long ago accident (before I got the car).&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp; The adjusters are broken and the stainless retainer ring has ea=
rs broken off and some of the self tapping screws&nbsp; I've got it sort of=20=
jury rigged to work and look OK but I'm in the market for a replacement.&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; This is the part from the headlights back to the radiator sup=
ports tha incorporates the adjusters and the headlight retainer rings.&nbsp;=
 A couple of questions.<BR>
<BR>
Are 71,72 the same as 70?&nbsp;&nbsp; Maybe 69?&nbsp; Are Buick Skylarks of=20=
the era possibly the the same?&nbsp;&nbsp; Seems like others ought to interc=
hange.&nbsp;&nbsp; I want to bump up my probability of finding it in the pic=
k-a-parts.<BR>
<BR>
What would this part be called on ebay, should I need to go that way?<BR>
<BR>
Anybody got one they'd like to part with?<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKG=
ROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3D3 PTSIZE=3D12 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Aria=
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</FONT><FONT  COLOR=3D"#000000" BACK=3D"#ffffff" style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:=20=
#ffffff" SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0"=
>Hans,<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The parts that you need for your=20=
70 Cutlass are, as far as Olds goes anyway, 70 only items, and 71, 72 parts=20=
will NOT interchange.&nbsp; Not being familiar with 69 cars I cannot comment=
 on that part of it.&nbsp; I would be happy to look up those parts in an Old=
smobile Parts Catalog for you and check.&nbsp; I will do that tonight and po=
st my findings tomorrow along with the correct part names and part numbers.&=
nbsp; A friend may have them, as he parted out a 70 Rallye 350 and I think t=
he front end was intact.&nbsp; Contact me off list for his name and phone nu=
mber.&nbsp; I have a couple of sets of 70 headlight bezels, reproduction, if=
 you're interested.&nbsp; These are the same parts you would get if you boug=
ht them from Year One or any of the other Olds parts vendors.&nbsp; These ar=
e the outer part of the headlight setup, the shiny parts that surround the h=
eadlights after everything is installed.&nbsp; Year One sells them for $124,=
 I'll take $100 plus shipping.&nbsp; Contact me off list if interested.<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
Steve<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:26:33 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

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I am switching to Opel,   A  Hurst/Opel


Vinny

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:27:56 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Oh, the Humility...

>You know, I'd actually admire  the work if they'd actually
>fit the wheels inside the fenders. *That* would be custom!

A guy I knew some years back was a _really_ good customizer (i.e. he did the 
work himself, as opposed to just throwing money at a project that someone 
else actually crafted), and one car of his was a really stunning '57 Ch*vy 
that was rebuilt from the ground up for some serious drag racing. But at a 
glance, when you first saw it on the street (it was still streetworthy for 
sunny-day driving despite that blower sticking up through the hood), it took 
a while to really appreciate how unusual it was, because he'd managed to 
_not_ cut the rear wheel openings in the quarterpanels.

Instead, he'd tubbed out inboard to accommodate racing slicks, and used a 
narrowed rear axle instead, so that only when you bothered to actually look 
_under_ the car would you see, well, this virtual _wall_ of rubber across 
the back end of the car, with the differential sort-of-visible through the 
gap in the middle. It was hysterical to look at, but beautifully executed as 
well. He would never have created the sort of eVil auction monstrosity that 
we're looking at today.

- -- Andy

_________________________________________________________________
>From must-see cities to the best beaches, plan a getaway with the Spring 
Travel Guide! http://special.msn.com/local/springtravel.armx

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 11:33:09 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: 72 455 Engine, exhaust manifold paint and fasteners advice needed!

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In a message dated 4/26/04 9:17:16 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
McDonald_M@72ho.com
 writes:

> I have finally started work on my 72 455 engine. Pulled intake manifold, 
> heads, 
> and exhaust manifolds.  Will send all to machine shop for check out, repair 
> and 
> media blasting. First question: From whom should I purchase the correct 
> 72 "blue" engine paint?  Year One, Eastwood, Fusick, others? And what should 
> I 
> use on the exhaust manifolds?
> 
> While disassembling, I broke some of the fasteners, like head pipe to 
> exhaust 
> manifolds bolts, exhaust manifold to head bolts, etc. Where is a good source 
> 
> for those bolts and the horseshoe shaped exhaust retainers?  Should I use 
> the 
> stainless steel retainers? 
> 
> Any other engine detailing advice will be appreciated.

Mike,
       Sorry to be so late on this.  I've been busy at work and haven't had 
time to get online after work this past week.  I have a couple of dozen NOS GM 
exhaust manifold bolts, brand new with the correct colored plating or coating, 
whatever it is.  I also have two of the exhaust manifold bolt locking tabs.  
Might be able to have the machine shop make some more of the locking tabs if 
anyone wants them.  Stainless may be able to be cut as well if the interest is 
there.  I'll sell the bolts for $1 each and I'll pay the shipping.  If you 
want the two locking tabs, I'll sell them for $3 each.
          I have tried NAPA 638 Olds Blue Metallic paint and found it to be 
about three shades too light.  Fusicks blue metallic paint is darker, but 
doesn't contain nearly enough metallic flake.  My buddy has his custom mixed 
somewhere in St. Louis and it's perfect.  Have no idea where he has it made, but I 
can ask if anyone is interested.
Thanks,
Steve D

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=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 4/26/04 9:17:16=20=
PM Pacific Daylight Time, McDonald_M@72ho.com<BR>
 writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I have finally started work on=20=
my 72 455 engine. Pulled intake manifold, heads, <BR>
and exhaust manifolds.&nbsp; Will send all to machine shop for check out, re=
pair and <BR>
media blasting. First question: From whom should I purchase the correct <BR>
72 "blue" engine paint?&nbsp; Year One, Eastwood, Fusick, others? And what s=
hould I <BR>
use on the exhaust manifolds?<BR>
<BR>
While disassembling, I broke some of the fasteners, like head pipe to exhaus=
t <BR>
manifolds bolts, exhaust manifold to head bolts, etc. Where is a good source=
 <BR>
for those bolts and the horseshoe shaped exhaust retainers?&nbsp; Should I u=
se the <BR>
stainless steel retainers? <BR>
<BR>
Any other engine detailing advice will be appreciated.</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Mike,<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Sorry to be so late on this.&nbsp; I've=
 been busy at work and haven't had time to get online after work this past w=
eek.&nbsp; I have a couple of dozen NOS GM exhaust manifold bolts, brand new=
 with the correct colored plating or coating, whatever it is.&nbsp; I also h=
ave two of the exhaust manifold bolt locking tabs.&nbsp; Might be able to ha=
ve the machine shop make some more of the locking tabs if anyone wants them.=
&nbsp; Stainless may be able to be cut as well if the interest is there.&nbs=
p; I'll sell the bolts for $1 each and I'll pay the shipping.&nbsp; If you w=
ant the two locking tabs, I'll sell them for $3 each.<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have tried NAPA 638=
 Olds Blue Metallic paint and found it to be about three shades too light.&n=
bsp; Fusicks blue metallic paint is darker, but doesn't contain nearly enoug=
h metallic flake.&nbsp; My buddy has his custom mixed somewhere in St. Louis=
 and it's perfect.&nbsp; Have no idea where he has it made, but I can ask if=
 anyone is interested.<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
Steve D</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 12:02:04 -0400
From: james.zito@ps.ge.com
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

Actually, we can really pick either of  2 much earlier dates for
Oldsmobile's actual demise....
1900 when GM $hitcanned Ransom and prevented him from calling his cars
Oldsmobiles,

OR

What ever year it was that the R.E.O. company stopped making vehicles under
that name.....

Although I will agree with the 1972 call.....thank God for the UAW strike
that delayed 
the awful 73 design a year......

Jim
69 442 conv
wants a 39 REO 3/4 ton.....

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:00:02 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

Here at GM's corporate HQ they have a 1920 Oldsmobile
on display - the engine is an inline 6 with OVERHEAD
VALVES.  The others, including a 1926 Pontiac, are
flatheads.

It's difficult to come up with a technical advancement
that wasn't introduced on an Oldsmobile.

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:24:34 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

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In a message dated 4/29/2004 11:32:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
HURSTOLDZ@aol.com writes:
am switching to Opel
I am told the Cadillac Catera is based on an Opel (German?) A caddy mechanic 
I know has told me the engines in the Catera were blowing up, caused by the 
serpentine belt guide jamming. You may want to reconsider.

Olds content: They've brought back so many of the old Marquees, what makes 
you think they won't try to resurrect the Cutlass in a year or two?

Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92 Eldo

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<DIV>I&nbsp;am told&nbsp;the Cadillac Catera is based on an Opel (German?) A=
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, caused by the serpentine belt guide jamming. You may want to reconsider.</=
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<DIV>Olds content: They've brought back so many of the old Marquees, what ma=
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>
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:35:54 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

If they do bring back the Cutlass, I hope it will follow suit with the GTO
and make it RWD,  but don't put the Ch^bby engine in it......
Pat Swanton.


From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 2:24 PM
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP


> In a message dated 4/29/2004 11:32:07 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> HURSTOLDZ@aol.com writes:
> am switching to Opel
> I am told the Cadillac Catera is based on an Opel (German?) A caddy
mechanic
> I know has told me the engines in the Catera were blowing up, caused by
the
> serpentine belt guide jamming. You may want to reconsider.
>
> Olds content: They've brought back so many of the old Marquees, what makes
> you think they won't try to resurrect the Cutlass in a year or two?
>
> Bruce
> 75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
> 72 Cutlass Conv.
> 56 190 SL Conv.
> 92 Eldo
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:46:00 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

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In a message dated 4/29/2004 2:38:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
swannys78@adelphia.net writes:
If they do bring back the Cutlass, I hope it will follow suit with the GTO
and make it RWD,  but don't put the Ch^bby engine in it......
Amen brother!

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:12:05 -0400
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: RE: 1970 Cutlass Headlight Buckets?

>NUOLDSMAN@aol.com wrote:
>Hans,
>        The parts that you need for your 70 Cutlass are, as far as Olds
goes anyway, 70 only items, 
>and 71, 72 parts will NOT interchange.  Not being familiar with 69 cars I
cannot comment on that part 
>of it....

<SNIP>

Hans & Steve,

I'm not sure either way, HOWEVER Year One does list the same part number for
the entire headlight assemblies by side for 1969 - 1972.

Part # 9087N fits '69 - '72 Left-Hand (driver's side) Inner

This includes Wagner sealed-beam headlight, mounting bucket, retaining ring,
and screws.  There is also a "universal" adjuster screw set that fits '67 -
'72 models.

Individually, the parts are listed as fitting 1969 - 1972 as well, so I
would assume that NOS parts would fit in accordance to this as well.

Sounds like you can use '69 - '72 parts on your '70 according to Year One.

Just FYI.

 ~ Dan

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Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 15:48:04 -0400
From: "David Popadic" <davepopadic@core.com>
Subject: Re: Paintless Dent Repair

How much does something like this cost?

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:08:19 -0600
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Last Olds!!!!!

Last Oldsmobile Rolls Off Michigan Assembly Line

By Michael Ellis

DETROIT (Reuters) - After 107 years of tooling roads from Nova Scotia to 
San Diego, the last Oldsmobile rolled off a Michigan assembly line on 
Thursday, marking the end of the oldest auto brand in the United States.


Workers signed their names under the hood of the last car -- a cherry 
red Alero -- which will be displayed at the R.E. Olds Transportation 
Museum. It will end up in the collection of parent company General 
Motors Corp. .

Ransom E. Olds founded Oldsmobile in Lansing in 1897, and soon after the 
turn of the century "the Olds" became a favorite with its Curved Dash. 
It carried a sticker price of $650 and was one of the first 
mass-produced cars.

GM purchased the automaker in 1908.

Chris Duyck, president of the Oldsmobile Club of Canada in Ontario, said 
he is "very disheartened that it would come to this -- the end of the 
Oldsmobile.

"It's always been such a step above other cars -- more luxurious, a 
little bit more of a status symbol to a lot of people," he said.

Duyck said he met his wife when her father had a 1958 Olds. "I've often 
wondered, jokingly of course, whether I was attracted to her dad's Olds 
or to her. It was a beige, two-door hardtop." They've been married 39 years.

Duyck says a completely restored 1958 Olds costs a collector about 
$18,000 to $20,000.

Oldsmobile was the first to use chrome-plated trim in 1926 and the first 
to offer fully automatic transmissions in 1939. In 1966, Oldsmobile was 
the first American car brand to revive front-wheel drive.

Fred Reinhold, 74, of Woodbridge, New Jersey, who owned an auto repair 
shop in Brooklyn, New York, for 40 years, said he was sad to see the car go.

"I owned a maroon colored Olds when I was in my 20s. I saw a lot of them 
come and go over the years," Reinhold said. "The Olds had a strong body, 
strong chassis, good suspension, good motor and the transmission was 
good. Overall, it was a very well made car. It's still a good car. It's 
sad to see another one gone by the wayside."

Oldsmobile is the second historic U.S. car brand to be killed in recent 
years. DaimlerChrysler AG phased out the Plymouth, created in 1928.

Some folks say the beginning of the end was the 1980s GM ad campaign 
touting: "This is not your father's Oldsmobile." But the cars still 
reminded young consumers of the family sedan.

"It was a great brand, that's how I'll remember it," said Alan Starling, 
a former Olds dealer and past chairman of the National Automobile 
Dealers Association.

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 13:44:52 -0700
From: Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.us>
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 07:46:26AM -0400, ron fama wrote:
> now the gto is comeing back in a front wheel drive version if im correct .

FWIW, the new Goats are RWD and powered by a 350-ci V8.  They're kinda
spendy, though, which goes against what muscle cars used to be.

  _/_  Scott Alfter (scott@alfter.us)
 / v \ '77 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
(IIGS( http://alfter.us/            Top-posting!
 \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/laden            >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:46:36 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: score another one for the  list

Hi all
    I was reading e-mails the other day. Some one was looking for an 
ac/delco fuel pump. Another lister sent a url for ac/delco parts. Just 
for fun I put my 80 toro into the parts finder looking for a power radio 
antenna and low and behold they listed one! A quick call to my local 
parts place with the number and I have a nos power antenna. The 
wholesaler/warehouse guy had 4. He was delighted to move one.
Thanks to everyone I couldn't enjoy my old olds without you.
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:56:39 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: score another one for the  list

Not a problem, I just hope Chris was able to get his fuel pump. He hasn't
replied since.
Pat Swanton.
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Kelsey" <ribspot@pop4.net>
To: "olds list" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Cc: "toro list" <thelist@toronado.net>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 4:46 PM
Subject: score another one for the list


> Hi all
>     I was reading e-mails the other day. Some one was looking for an
> ac/delco fuel pump. Another lister sent a url for ac/delco parts. Just
> for fun I put my 80 toro into the parts finder looking for a power radio
> antenna and low and behold they listed one! A quick call to my local
> parts place with the number and I have a nos power antenna. The
> wholesaler/warehouse guy had 4. He was delighted to move one.
> Thanks to everyone I couldn't enjoy my old olds without you.
> John Kelsey
> Dayton Ohio
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:03:31 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

Motor Trend put the GTO up against a $71,000 Mercedes CLK55 AMG.  GTO,
$32,000. Wanna good laugh for the buck?
1/4 mile.
CLK55, 13.14 @ 108.07
GTO, 13.85 @ 101.41
HP
CLK55 362 @ 5750 rpm
GTO, 365 @ 4000 rpm.
I'd take the GTO anyday
Pat Swanton



- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Alfter" <scott@alfter.us>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 4:44 PM
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP


> On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 07:46:26AM -0400, ron fama wrote:
> > now the gto is comeing back in a front wheel drive version if im correct
.
>
> FWIW, the new Goats are RWD and powered by a 350-ci V8.  They're kinda
> spendy, though, which goes against what muscle cars used to be.
>
>   _/_  Scott Alfter (scott@alfter.us)
>  / v \ '77 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
> (IIGS( http://alfter.us/            Top-posting!
>  \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/laden            >What's the most annoying thing on
Usenet?
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 16:29:46 -0500
From: David Brown <dbrown@mh1.uchospitals.edu>
Subject: Power Steering Pulley Removal 102

The Harbor Freight $22 PS pulley remover/installer works great. It grips on the 
pulley snout. Works on many PS pulley designs.

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 14:46:51 -0700
From: Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.us>
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

On Thu, Apr 29, 2004 at 05:03:31PM -0400, swanny top-posted (grr):
> [Earlier, I wrote:]
> > FWIW, the new Goats are RWD and powered by a 350-ci V8.  They're kinda
> > spendy, though, which goes against what muscle cars used to be.
>
> Motor Trend put the GTO up against a $71,000 Mercedes CLK55 AMG.  GTO,
> $32,000. Wanna good laugh for the buck?
> 1/4 mile.
> CLK55, 13.14 @ 108.07
> GTO, 13.85 @ 101.41
> HP
> CLK55 362 @ 5750 rpm
> GTO, 365 @ 4000 rpm.
> I'd take the GTO anyday

Mercedes tends to be vastly overrated by too many people. :-| That another
car that doesn't even cost half as much is a pretty close match for it
performance-wise isn't much of a surprise.

I don't doubt that the new Goats are nice cars, but my comment WRT pricing
is that the original muscle cars, if I'm not mistaken, usually tended toward
the lower end of the price range--basic intermediate-body cars that had
big-ass engines under the hood.  At today's prices, I'd think such a vehicle
would be priced around $20k, give or take a bit.  I could be mistaken, or
maybe my idea of what's normal new-vehicle pricing is a bit off...only one
of the four vehicles I've owned since I started driving 15 years ago was
purchased new.  I only bought that one a couple of years ago, though, so I
don't think I'm too far out of date.

  _/_  Scott Alfter (scott@alfter.us)
 / v \ '77 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
(IIGS( http://alfter.us/            Top-posting!
 \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/laden            >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:46:19 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

At 02:11 PM 4/29/2004 +0000, you wrote:
>
>> The last Olds V8 RWD car was built in 1990, not 1987.  Remember the last of
>> the square style Custom Cruiser wagons?
>
>So, the Custom C@prices last built in '92 don't count?

No, orcas don't count; we're talking about Olds-powered V8 vehicles. As
Fred said, the last was in 1990.

SteveH

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:28:51 -0400
From: "Randy Geisel" <rocket455@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: 1970 Cutlass Headlight Buckets?

> Year One does list the same part number
>for the entire headlight assemblies by side for 1969 - 1972.

YearOne is incorrect. A '70 headlight bucket is different than a '71-'72
bucket like Steve stated. Not sure about the '69's.

Randy

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 18:35:57 EDT
From: James244@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1970 Cutlass Headlight Buckets?

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James

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Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 03:21:35 +0300
From: Hannu Pyssysalo <hannu.pyssysalo@koti.soon.fi>
Subject: Re: 330 Olds heads

On Wednesday, April 28th, 2004, 00:29 EET, NUOLDSMAN@aol.com wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>        I have a set of Olds heads, number 4's.  What does the number
> stamped on the front mean?  It is: W531300G.  Thanks for any help you can
> give on this. Steve D

That is the "Engine Unit Number".  VIN derivative was not used those years.  
My 1965 Chassis Manual does not give any meaning for  the prefix W.  Only T 
and U.  According to the 442.com Olds FAQ your heads are from the year 1967, 
the last year for the 330 engine.   The first number "5" seems to denote a 
330 cu.in. engine.  The postfix "G" seems to denote 10.25:1 compression ratio 
and L-74 or L-76 option.  You'll get about 10.85 compression ratio with those 
heads on a 350 engine.  Nice.  

If the heads are not painted gold, I might be completely wrong.  Also remember 
I was looking the 1965 manual and your heads are from 1967.  

- -- 
Hannu Pyssysalo
Tampere, Finland
V.P, Oldsmobile Club of Finland
1965 Jetstar 88 Convertible

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:48:31 -0400
From: "Daniel R. Gerow" <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: Re: 1970 Cutlass Headlight Buckets?

From: Randy Geisel
> > Year One does list the same part number
> >for the entire headlight assemblies by side for 1969 - 1972.
>
> YearOne is incorrect. A '70 headlight bucket is different than a '71-'72
> bucket like Steve stated.

Thank you much for the clarification.
Seems as if Year One should get their act together since, you know, they're
charging money for the wrong parts and all!

 ~ Dan

- ------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
- -------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 20:53:23 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

At 02:46 PM 4/29/04 -0700, you wrote:
>I don't doubt that the new Goats are nice cars, but my comment WRT pricing
>is that the original muscle cars, if I'm not mistaken, usually tended toward
>the lower end of the price range--basic intermediate-body cars that had
>big-ass engines under the hood.  At today's prices, I'd think such a vehicle
>would be priced around $20k, give or take a bit.  I could be mistaken, or
>maybe my idea of what's normal new-vehicle pricing is a bit off...only one
>of the four vehicles I've owned since I started driving 15 years ago was
>purchased new.  I only bought that one a couple of years ago, though, so I
>don't think I'm too far out of date.

Bingo. I'm looking for a V-8 RWD performance car that seats five, for under 
$30,000. About the closest thing might be the Dodge Magnum wagon. If GM 
produced something to compete with that, it would have 50 less hp, cost 
$10,000 more and would be half as reliable.

Then again, for $30,000 I could get a REAL nice 442 convertible that 
wouldn't depreciate at nearly the same rate... :)

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 22:46:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

Joe Varley mentioned he was interviewed for a news story on the killing of
Olds - here's the link:

http://www.aztrib.com/index.php?sty=20760

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 21:51:10 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

The last time GM did that (save the F-body) was when they put the LT1 in the
orca Caprice (God save us, says SteveH!) My 94 Buick b-body carries the
whole family down the track at 15.2 seconds, completely stock with
whitewalls ;) And the Caprice was available for mid $20k, if I recall
correctly. Of course, nobody wants a car that big, even if it does
outperform and out-economy smaller things on the road... :)
IMO, axing the perfectly successful (sales were *increasing* in 96) B-body
line just to build more trucks was one of GM's dumber moves.

Chris
- ----- Original Message -----

> At 02:46 PM 4/29/04 -0700, you wrote:
> >I don't doubt that the new Goats are nice cars, but my comment WRT
pricing
> >is that the original muscle cars, if I'm not mistaken, usually tended
toward
> >the lower end of the price range--basic intermediate-body cars that had
> >big-ass engines under the hood.  At today's prices, I'd think such a
vehicle
> >would be priced around $20k, give or take a bit.  I could be mistaken, or
> >maybe my idea of what's normal new-vehicle pricing is a bit off...only
one
> >of the four vehicles I've owned since I started driving 15 years ago was
> >purchased new.  I only bought that one a couple of years ago, though, so
I
> >don't think I'm too far out of date.
>
> Bingo. I'm looking for a V-8 RWD performance car that seats five, for
under
> $30,000. About the closest thing might be the Dodge Magnum wagon. If GM
> produced something to compete with that, it would have 50 less hp, cost
> $10,000 more and would be half as reliable.
>
> Then again, for $30,000 I could get a REAL nice 442 convertible that
> wouldn't depreciate at nearly the same rate... :)
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 23:47:52 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP

as for the caprice  many cops say after they perfected the dam police car the drop it, they do not
like the ford or dodges, face it the big b body did haul ass and handle well.
i love my 94 caprice almost as much as the olds but my olds is my first choice to drive but caprice
is the choice for road trips. i like the mpg at 110 mph
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 9:51 PM
Subject: Re: <sniff> Oldsmobile RIP


> The last time GM did that (save the F-body) was when they put the LT1 in the
> orca Caprice (God save us, says SteveH!) My 94 Buick b-body carries the
> whole family down the track at 15.2 seconds, completely stock with
> whitewalls ;) And the Caprice was available for mid $20k, if I recall
> correctly. Of course, nobody wants a car that big, even if it does
> outperform and out-economy smaller things on the road... :)
> IMO, axing the perfectly successful (sales were *increasing* in 96) B-body
> line just to build more trucks was one of GM's dumber moves.
>
> Chris
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> > At 02:46 PM 4/29/04 -0700, you wrote:
> > >I don't doubt that the new Goats are nice cars, but my comment WRT
> pricing
> > >is that the original muscle cars, if I'm not mistaken, usually tended
> toward
> > >the lower end of the price range--basic intermediate-body cars that had
> > >big-ass engines under the hood.  At today's prices, I'd think such a
> vehicle
> > >would be priced around $20k, give or take a bit.  I could be mistaken, or
> > >maybe my idea of what's normal new-vehicle pricing is a bit off...only
> one
> > >of the four vehicles I've owned since I started driving 15 years ago was
> > >purchased new.  I only bought that one a couple of years ago, though, so
> I
> > >don't think I'm too far out of date.
> >
> > Bingo. I'm looking for a V-8 RWD performance car that seats five, for
> under
> > $30,000. About the closest thing might be the Dodge Magnum wagon. If GM
> > produced something to compete with that, it would have 50 less hp, cost
> > $10,000 more and would be half as reliable.
> >
> > Then again, for $30,000 I could get a REAL nice 442 convertible that
> > wouldn't depreciate at nearly the same rate... :)
> >
>
>

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