
oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, March 16 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4818



58 brakes pulling
69 H/O on e*ay
Re: Adj brakes 1958, pulling left
58 brakes pulling,Glazed shoes
milton
Re: milton
Re: Muncie 4 speeds
Re: Horsepowetr TV prt 2
Re: Horsepowetr TV prt 2
rocker geometry to the nth degree
[none]
FW: : When Oldsmobile Production Ends
RE: One Man brake bleeder
Re: new W-31 head pics (via a link)
Re: Twilight Sentinel?????
RE: Bolts cleaner working OK so far
Re: Twilight Sentinel?????
RE: Good deal on price & shipping of Optima Battery
Re: Please help identify this part
Re: Muncie 4 speeds
getting rid of my stuff - this time for sure
Re: getting rid of my stuff - this time for sure
Just a note
Re: getting rid of my stuff - this time for sure
RE: Was there ever a G Body Olds Nascar ?
Re: getting rid of my stuff - this time for sure
Yhaaaaa.
NOS diff asms in the paper
Cheap 5A heads
BPC turn signal switch (1964-65 w/o tilt)
easy come, easy go
Added a little weight

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 19:43:10 -0500
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: 58 brakes pulling

(snip) I know they are all new shoes and drums around that need to be 
broke in,new wheel cyl also new.

Randy
    Do I see a reference to one new wheel cylinder? If so that could be 
the problem.
lol
John Kelsey
Dayton ohio

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:06:31 -0500
From: "Kurt Heinrich" <old442@adelphia.net>
Subject: 69 H/O on e*ay

Not only does it have the wrong heads (or a least 1 wrong head) as someone
pointed out, but is also has the '70-'72 OAI flapper assembly instaead of
the correct one.  For $39K you think you'd get a complete and correct car.
I guess PT Barnum was right...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=15287&item
=2466702177

Kurt Heinrich
'71 442
'95 Aurora
old442@adelphia.net

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:30:33 EST
From: Kt8321@aol.com
Subject: Re: Adj brakes 1958, pulling left

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One thing that is often overlooked in trying to solve a brake pull problem is 
the brake hoses. Just because they look good on the outside does not mean the 
inside is good. I have had several occurrences where the inner part of the 
hose was ruptured. It will pass enough fluid to bleed the brakes, but will close 
up completely under actual braking pressure. If you don't have a frozen 
caliper piston or wheel cylinder, the hoses should be checked. I know of no way to 
check for a bad hose other than to replace it and see what happens. If it 
pulls to the left, change the right hose and, well, you know.
Ken Thomas
2 Deltas

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y look good on the outside does not mean the inside is good. I have had seve=
ral occurrences where the inner part of the hose was ruptured. It will pass=20=
enough fluid to bleed the brakes, but will close up completely under actual=20=
braking pressure. If you don't have a frozen caliper piston or wheel cylinde=
r, the hoses should be checked. I know of no way to check for a bad hose oth=
er than to replace it and see what happens. If it pulls to the left, change=20=
the right hose and, well, you know.<BR>
Ken Thomas<BR>
2 Deltas</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:44:14 -0500
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: 58 brakes pulling,Glazed shoes

>
Hello
I sent a mess. earlier but for some reason putors and me dont mix and it never made it to list,,,hence the first double post,....so i will try again and include John also...LOL
>>
    Do I see a reference to one new wheel cylinder? If so that could be 
>the problem.
>lol
>John Kelsey
>Dayton ohio
>>
>Is it possible there is grease or brake fluid on the shoes, like maybe the
>wheel bearing grease seal failed or the wheel cylinder is leaking brake
>fluid?
>>Milton schick
>1964 442 Cutlass
>imp@theriver.com
>
>
>And Steve added...
Did it STAY hard or get softer after a bit? Were the brakes not as
effective while it was hard?

If so, that was likely the BRAKE shoes getting real hot; then they cooled
off. They were fading. 
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>Actually i rebuilt my old "4" wheel cyl. myself,but i do have a new set on the shelf.
All new lines and rubber lines.
>There was heat.
Not much brake when pedal hard :O
But went away fast.
No loss of brake fluid noticeable.
I was headed in this same direction,,maybe the new shoes arced to drums when turned still imbeded some particles in shoes and glazed them?= heat
I know i sanded them lightly and sprayed brake clean before assembled.
But combined with a little grease excess grease from assem. = problem.
Maybe after a long drive i burned it all off?
Best to inspect drums and shoes,cyl,seals,return springs ect....Clean shoes and drums,,,,keeps me outa trouble.
I was so lazy today...felt great...did absolutley noting!
Thanks!
Randy H.


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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 03:02:50 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: milton

milton i do not have access to my p/c  so could you hit me privitly at 
77w30442@comcast.net 
i have a few quistions on the  extra weights
thanks 
ron

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 03:10:14 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: milton

i forgot to mention my email addresses are stored in out look not on comcast.
thanks 
ron
> milton i do not have access to my p/c  so could you hit me privitly at 
> 77w30442@comcast.net 
> i have a few quistions on the  extra weights
> thanks 
> ron
> 

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Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 22:47:40 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Muncie 4 speeds

> No matter what you find to be your cause, be prepared to replace some
> internals from the damage done by all of the involuntary  disengagements.


Dave's right. Murphy and his family are just waiting.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:28:53 -0500
From: "Erwin Mendoza" <olds6887442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Horsepowetr TV prt 2

There's an E-mailing campaign going on at another message board, they've 
been bombarding the show with E-mails asking them not to put a Chevy motor 
in it and keeping it all Olds ;) the E-mail address to the show is 
info@horsepowertv.com maybe we can do the same thing



Erwin Mendoza
OCA# 29671
Rallye 350 Chapter(gone but not forgotten)
87 442 (gone as of 10/02/03)
68 442
Edison, NJ
mailto:olds6887442@hotmail.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 08:56:38 -0500
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Horsepowetr TV prt 2

At Monday, 15 March 2004, you wrote:

>There's an E-mailing campaign going on at another message board, 
>they've been bombarding the show with E-mails asking them not 
>to put a Chevy motor in it and keeping it all Olds ;) the E-mail 
>address to the show is info@horsepowertv.com maybe we can do the 
>same thing

We should add that they need to stay the heck away from Moneydulla 
crap, too  ;o\  ;o\  ;o\

SteveH



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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:09:30 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: rocker geometry to the nth degree

Think of it as the valve being the pivot, not moving, instead of the
pedestal being the pivot.
============
right, you're up to speed there.

If there's 0.040" clearance between the pedestal and head surface at the 
moment of the pushrod contacting the rocker,
===========
Ayep, that was my assumption, the figure we are running w/ for now.

then... pulling the pedestal down 0.064"
===========
Ooooops, the pedestal is going to move 0.040", remember? Look at the 
previous sentence.



will push the lifter plunger down another 0.064", not the 0.040" expected.
============
OK, you typo'd above, you meant to say:
" then... pulling the pedestal down 0.040..."
In which case you are correct, the plunger will move down .065, not the .040 
that the pedestal moved.


The plunger's motion is the pedestal's motion times 1.6 = 0.064" or 
thereabouts.
===========
YES, YES, YES!

There's no "mathematical coincidence" involved, it's bout as cut-and-dried 
as could be, simple
fulcrum physics.
SteveH
==============
Ah, well, it IS a mathematical coincidence, actually, that the two ratios 
are so very close to one another. Theoretical Example: Suppose that the 
rocker ratio was 10:1 instead of 1.6 to 1. Then, the units would be as such:
pushrod to pedestal pivot center = 1 unit
Pedestal center of rotation to valve contact point [average point I guess] = 
10 units.
Overall length from pushrod to valve contact point = 11 units.
- ---therefore--
Rocker ratio  = 10/1 or 10:1 or "Ten to one"
Ratio found when setting lifter plunger preload [where fulcrum is at valve 
tip]: 11/10 = 1.10
Not even CLOSE to the 10:1 rocker ratio.

So, the one ratio is NOT always "about the same" as the otrher,and the fact 
that they were so very close on our engine is indeed a "mathematical 
coincidence" of the Olds Rocker Ratio.

In fact, I daresay there is only one rocker ratio wherein the 
lifter-plunger-setting ratio would be_ identical_. Shall we go thru the 
mathematics to determine what that ratio is? Trial and error with an Excel 
sheet shows that the magical rocker ratio which also yields exactly the same 
ratio between pedestal motion and lifter plunger depression when setting 
same... is right between 1.6 & 1.7... Futher investigation by that manner 
narrows it to between 1.61 & 1.62... very close to 1.62.  Forther fiddling 
got me 1.618, accurate enough for anybody.

With that rocker ratio, 1.618:1.0 == 2.628/1.618
"Equal"... to 3 or 4 significant digits anyhow...

- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:11:32 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: [none]

Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:35:44 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Please help identify this part

Ali,

That ***is*** the extra wide starter brace, that also doubles as a heat
shield for the starter. I have two identical to it. Mine came off
403s, one Toronado and one regular passenger car.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com
================
Mileage varies, I guess
All my extra wide starter braces have
1) 2 different sized large holes- 5/16 and 3/8
2) no HUGE rib in the middle- that one looks like 1/2 to 3/4" tall in the 
pic.
3) no tiny 3rd hole.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:07:55 -0500
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: FW: : When Oldsmobile Production Ends

Got this from the Motor City Rockets division of the OCA:

"The last Alero (and last Oldsmobile) is scheduled to roll off the line in
Lansing in the morning on April 29th.

Now also, on April 29th, we plan( tentative now ) to have an event at the
Olds Museum in Lansing for the Retirees, Oldsmobile Club members etc. And at
that event I will have one of all the Final 500s and pictures could be made
at that time."

More as I get it.

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:17:46 -0500
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: One Man brake bleeder

I have one, but I could never get a good enough seal on the bleeder screw so
it would suck air in.  The check valve style seems easier and more effective
(based on feedback from the list, also).

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Paul Tumolo [mailto:ptumolo@comcast.net]
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 1:07 PM
> To: Oldsmobile-Digest
> Subject: One Man brake bleeder
> 
> 
> Best one is the MityVac hand held vacuum pump. Works great, and costs
> about $30.
> 
> Can also be used to test vacuum components. 
> 
> Buy the one with the vacuum gauge on it.
> 
> Paul Tumolo
> 1970 442 Hardtop
> Oca # 31967 
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 07:00:57 -0800 (PST)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: new W-31 head pics (via a link)

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On your website at the pictures, what's Olds Stage I and Stage II?

Milton Schick
- -----------------------
Milton,
That is actually the picture gallery of Jim Lapikas of J&S Machine (the person rebuilding my engine) not my website.
 
Stage I, Stage II and Stage III are all things Jim offers to be done to cylinder heads and rods.  I don't have his main link handy, but I'm pretty sure it's all described there.  I do know he has an ad on 442.com part for sale with a link to his services.
 
Chris
grp442@yahoo.com
 
1969 W-31
1970 F-85
1969 442 parts car
and a whole bunch of parts for sale

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<DIV>On your website at the pictures, what's Olds Stage I and Stage II?<BR><BR>Milton Schick<BR>-----------------------</DIV>
<DIV>Milton,</DIV>
<DIV>That is actually the picture gallery of Jim Lapikas of J&amp;S Machine (the person rebuilding my engine) not my website.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Stage I, Stage II and Stage III are all things Jim offers to be done to cylinder heads and rods.&nbsp; I don't have his main link handy, but I'm pretty sure it's all described there.&nbsp; I do know he has an ad on 442.com part for sale with a link to his services.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Chris</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:grp442@yahoo.com">grp442@yahoo.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:32:14 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Twilight Sentinel?????

>Mid-'80s Twilight Sentinel is a sensor mounted in the center of the top of
>the windshield way up by the glass which detects ambient light.

Pardon a minor nit, but in case anyone's trying to troubleshoot theirs on a 
car with electronic climate control: as of the early '90s, the sensor at the 
top center of the dashboard under the window, a deeply-tinted little plastic 
dome, is not the Twilight Sentinel light sensor; it is the Sunlight 
Intensity sensor for the air conditioning, which determines how much cooling 
power will be needed (e.g. recirculation; blower speed) to compensate for 
solar radiation heating. The light cell for the Twilight Sentinel is a 
little flat button at the driver's end of the dashboard near the VIN plate.

If in doubt as to which is which, cover either one, one at a time, for at 
least 30 seconds with the engine running to see which one turns the lights 
on...  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:36:27 -0600
From: "Marty Henson" <marty-henson@clayton-engineering.com>
Subject: RE: Bolts cleaner working OK so far

Please direct me to photos of your parts cleaner.
Marty - 72 Cutlass w/ 442 option

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Christopher Witt
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 11:29 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Bolts cleaner working OK so far

OK, got the prove-out tumbler bolts cleaner up and running today. First,
I 
found that too much fodder does not tumble, it just sits there. Removed 
about half the items, the rest tumbled just fine. Added some oil-dri,
just 
got dusty. Added some water with Spic-n-Span in it, NOW it looks
effective. 
Water gets dirty, therefore, bolts are getting clean. Started about 6pm.

Checked in about 11pm, VERY nice results. Only the toughest spots still
a 
bit dirty. Worm type hose clamp- was very grungy- looks like new. Took
one 
intake bolt out, wiped with tissue, only a very small amount of grunge
in 
the threads area. Toughest spots to get clean are of course the recessed

heads of e.g. the oil pump bolts, oil pan corners bolts, rocker cover
bolts, 
etc. Oil-dri got pounded into dust and shoved into the lower pail thru
the 
holes in the tumbler pail. Otherwise the thing worked great. Plastic
pail is 
nice and quiet, can leave it running as long as I like. Non-solvent
cleaning 
agent means I can do it in the house, not worry about fumes or spillage
or 
fire.

Larger unit now in planning, with slightly different cleaning agent and 
tumbling media.
Pix of this unit upon request.
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:45:08 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Twilight Sentinel?????

> My build sheet has a "U15" on it. The option is called Twilight
> Sentinel.
> 
> Anyone know what it is?????
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Paul Tumolo 
> 1970 442
> OCA # 31967 

On a '70?  I don't think so.  Olds didn't get Twilight Sentinel until at least
the mid 70s, even though it first appeared on Buicks in 1961 and Cadillacs
shortly thereafter.

Maybe U15 is the Nightwatch system, which is a little different from the
Twilight Sentinel.  Night watch had no sensor to turn the lights on or off
according to light level.  What it did have was a button under the dash to the
left of the steering column, to push before exiting the car.  That would set a 
non-adjustable timer to leave the lights lit for a pre-determined period of 
time, then they would go out automatically.  Nightwatch was available on 
Cutlasses as well as full-size cars in '70. 

Paul

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 10:44:48 -0500
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Good deal on price & shipping of Optima Battery

If you have a Costco near you, Optima Batteries are right around $100 and,
of course, no need for shipping (Looks like they are not available on the
Costco.com website, but I know they are the the store - I go there every
week for diapers, wipes, etc).

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI
10 year old son - Tyler
2 year old daughter - Mary Kate (hurry up and get potty trained)
1 year old daughter - Annie (potty training, hell, just start walking ;-)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Reed [mailto:ssreed@direcway.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 2:58 PM
> To: Olds
> Subject: Good deal on price & shipping of Optima Battery
> 
> 
> All,
> 	I just thought I'd pass the word on one of my latest part
> acquisitions.  I got an Optima battery for my daily driver from Summit
> Racing.  The battery was $129.99, and the shipping was FREE.
> 
> Summit is keeping up it's great reputation in my book.
> 
> 
> Steve Reed 
> '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice 
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode) 
> '68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine) 
> Austin, TX 
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html
> 
> 

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:30:46 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Please help identify this part

> I am guessing- some sort of convertible mechanism 
> part? 
> - -----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911

No, I don't think it's a convertible mechanism part. I currently 
have my convertible top frame totally disassembled, and there isn't 
a piece like that anywhere on it.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 09:16:43 -0800
From: "Mike Morrissey" <oxfarm@oregontrail.net>
Subject: Re: Muncie 4 speeds

I read a post (maybe on the old discontinued Caddy page) about how someone
had had "success" drilling out the pilot hole in a "automatic" crankshaft
with a hand drill, leaving the engine assembled... I had always wondered how
good that would work...
Mike in baker city, Oregon
'98 intrigue
''72 suburban
'69 442 ragged-top
'69 vista "Vista-Carouser"
and the rest of the "Obsolete Fleet"
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2004 3:54 PM
Subject: Re: Muncie 4 speeds


> Milton gave a good list, but let me  add something else from my personal
> experience.
>
> A bad pilot bearing will let the input shaft move around, causing 4th to
> disengage at the worst times.  My 70 had the engine replaced before I got
> the car and they used a 455 from a 71 automatic car.  Needless to say, the
> crank had to be drilled before they installed it and obviously it was not
> quite centered.  I replaced a few pilots over the years and the car was
> always jumping out of gear.   Later on I replaced that engine with another
> former auto equipped 455 and have the crank drilled.  This one was even
> worse, so even after rebuilding the tranny, it popped out of gear just as
> bad as before and it still ate pilots like candy.
>
> I finally installed one of the pilot adapters from Supercars Unlimited and
> it actually helped somewhat.        I say somewhat, because damage was
done
> to the small teeth on the input and the inside of the slider is worn from
> all of the popping out of gear.  I need to pull the tranny and replace
some
> expensive parts now.
>
> No matter what you find to be your cause, be prepared to replace some
> internals from the damage done by all of the involuntary  disengagements.
>
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2
> 67 Vista Cruiser
>
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:49:57 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: getting rid of my stuff - this time for sure

Hey List,

            This time for sure - I will be moving in the fall and will loose
my garage space as well as most of my storage - everything must
go. The folks in the NY-PA-NJ-DE-MA area, bring your trucks.

I have a few 455s, 330s, one 350, a few TH400s and some TH300s ..

The cars ..........

67' Cutlass with 71' 350 and TH400 - former daily driver
67' 442 post coupe  - power windows, was A/C car ..
Still has original drive line - will need much work even as a driver

67' Cutlass drop top project car - 69 455 - Doug Nash 5 speed
9" Ford rear - F-body front disk brakes..   body has no rust but will need
some work done to passenger 1/4 panel (have replacement)

other parts include shifters, consoles, head light buckets, bezels,   etc ..

some stuff will be going on $bay this week ...

The General

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:12:32 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
Subject: Re: getting rid of my stuff - this time for sure

At 01:49 PM 3/15/2004, you wrote:
>Hey List,
>
>             This time for sure - I will be moving in the fall and will loose
>my garage space as well as most of my storage - everything must
>go. The folks in the NY-PA-NJ-DE-MA area, bring your trucks.
>
>I have a few 455s, 330s, one 350, a few TH400s and some TH300s ..
>
>The cars ..........
>
>67' Cutlass with 71' 350 and TH400 - former daily driver
>67' 442 post coupe  - power windows, was A/C car ..
>Still has original drive line - will need much work even as a driver
>
>67' Cutlass drop top project car - 69 455 - Doug Nash 5 speed
>9" Ford rear - F-body front disk brakes..   body has no rust but will need
>some work done to passenger 1/4 panel (have replacement)
>
>other parts include shifters, consoles, head light buckets, bezels,   etc ..
>
>some stuff will be going on $bay this week ...
>
>The General

Where is this all located?

I'd be very interested. Any more details on the 455's, the TH400's or pics 
of teh cars? Ideas on prices?


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:29:06 -0600
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Just a note

All, 
	I know I mentioned it 2-1/2 weeks ago when I got the news, but just
to remind anyone wanting to get in touch with me, my @CHATSWORTH.COM address
is no longer valid.
	Today was my last day.  Boy 5-1/4 years sure can go by quickly.  Now
it's time to move on to bigger and better things in life.

Stay well....

Steve Reed 
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice 
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode) 
'68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine) 
Austin, TX 
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:40:20 -0500
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: getting rid of my stuff - this time for sure

Hey List,

        The stash is in Philadelphia - just off of I-76

The General

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:40:31 -0500
From: "Nicholson, Brad" <Brad.Nicholson@ssa.gov>
Subject: RE: Was there ever a G Body Olds Nascar ?

A.J. Foyt drive an early 80's Cutlass Supreme Coupe w/ his usual Gilmore red
sponsorship.  There is a picture of it in one of those "Olds in Action"
magazines (#2 or #4)

This is an unofficial message 
Please DO NOT FORWARD OR PRINT 
If a printout is done, it must be destroyed immediately 
Any knowledge of this transmission will be disavowed 
Brad Nicholson 
SSA-OS-ODSSIS-DEPS-EAB
(The Branch Formerly Known As: SSA-OS-OSDD-LAG1-PCADB) 
Mail Stop: 4-C-14 Operations  
6401 Security Blvd., Baltimore, MD 21235 
Phone: 410-965-3825 
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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:39:33 -0500
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@providence.edu>
Subject: Re: getting rid of my stuff - this time for sure

At 02:40 PM 3/15/2004, you wrote:
>Hey List,
>
>         The stash is in Philadelphia - just off of I-76
>
>The General

I might be up for a trip down there; how soon are you getting rid of the stuff?

Also, what's the going price on your 455's and the TH400? And the cars?


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:53:30 +0100
From: "Trond-Jarle Pedersen" <olds69@olds69.com>
Subject: Yhaaaaa.

It is a glorious day.
I finally got the parts to rebuild the rear-end in my 69 F-85.
A brand new posi unit and 3.90 gears + all the bits and pieces to mount it
in the rear axel.
This baby will be screaming.
Amazing that they started reproducing posi units, (thanks Greg at Supercars)
All I need now is a larger cam and she is ready to kick some ford ass...
Changing from 2.56 to 3.90 is a bit steep but since I don't do much highway
driving with her I went with the killer combination.


Trond-Jarle Pedersen

olds69@olds69.com
http://www.olds69.com/ 	

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:48:55 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: NOS diff asms in the paper

Local guy has two brand new diff asms
10-bolt opens

68-9, 2.78? ratio
73-77  2.56 ratio

drum to drum I hear, the whole banana
$150 ea.
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:50:41 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Cheap 5A heads

Picked up them 80k mile 5A heads today, had a spare dollar.
Any need for pretty nice Big Port 307 heads? Cheap!

Also got a few parts HEI's, a nifty HEAVY 1969 Toro starter core/ rebuilt, 
and various other goodies.
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:56:39 -0500
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: BPC turn signal switch (1964-65 w/o tilt)

Looks like I have a line on BPC turn signal switches (not the GUIDE type,
but the "other one" that seems to be so elusive). I'll be placing an order
tomorrow, so let me know if you are interested. I'll have pricing by
tomorrow.

Thanks,
John Nasta
Old Car Network
http://oldcarnetwork.com

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 18:56:41 -0500
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: easy come, easy go

Bill Hutchison- you holding out on me?

I picked up a SWEET Frod truck from the bikers right across from Bill H's 
house Sunday. 1978 Crew Cab 1-ton 4x4, runs and drives.... sort of. 
Butt-ugly wood flatbed. driver's door does not latch, no seat belts either. 
1 window missing. Runs poorly when cold. 351? engine, Holley carb, AL rocker 
covers and chrome air cleaner. Drove it home, was gonna put it out at the 
farm for a dirt truck, cleaned out the bed, got some interesting items out 
of the cab, such as Steve Miller band on "Big CD" [as Wes calls the large 
black round music disks :-) ], etc.

Parked it on the front lawn to make room in driveway and not drip all over 
driveway... by that night it was sold. No hassle, instant money. I have a 
better candidate for a farm truck anyhow. Just not as beasty. I still have 
my old pc of crap Ford anyhow.
- -----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 23:58:00 -0500
From: "Andrew Geeting" <geeting@woh.rr.com>
Subject: Added a little weight

Well, I guess you could say I went in the opposite direction than what one
should if they were looking to shave time off the 1/4 mile but I am
finishing out my trunk (and the interior) and its adding some weight to the
vehicle.
What I have just finished is a speaker box for a pair of 10" subwoofers and
a single JBL amp. It fits on the "shelf" in the trunk just behind the rear
seats and under the rear package tray.
Here's a picture of the box being mocked up in the trunk:

http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/speaker_box_trunk.jpg

And here's the finished pictures of the box with carpet:

http://www.oldspower.com/photopost/data/500/925finished.jpg

http://www.oldspower.com/photopost/data/500/925finished4.jpg

http://www.oldspower.com/photopost/data/500/925finished2.jpg

The box is made out of 3/4" MDF and really only adds about 60lbs. Thats only
10lbs heavier than the old box I had which gave me no trunk room at all.

Don't have the car here though to put the box in and take pictures.

Now I need to make some side pieces to cover the spare tire and drivers side
wheel well along with making a false floor. But those pieces will be made of
thinner material .

On the interior I'll be adding sound deadening material (similar to Dynamat)
on every possible surface I can plus putting the stock style sound deadening
material back in too. I want to see just how quiet I can make the interior
without having to resort to muffling the 455 anymore. :)

Andrew Geeting
geeting@woh.rr.com
'87 Cutlass Supreme 461
'98 Olds Intrigue 3.8L
http://home.woh.rr.com/designsofarch/index/olds_site/olds.swf

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