
oldsmobile-digest       Friday, August 20 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4994



Re: 455
Re: 455
Re: 455
[noc] t*st of n*w account posting, d*lete
Re: [noc] t*st of n*w account posting, d*lete
455
mid-80s 442 rims, value?
Re: mid-80s 442 rims, value?
RS assists the car
Stroke calculations
Re: mid-80s 442 rims, value?
comp check
RE: Stroke calculations
RE: Stroke calculations
f/s: G heads, #5 head, 425 crank, etc. Deliver to Nats?
Re: G heads, #5 head, 425 crank, etc. Deliver to Nats?
RE: RS assists the car
1950 Oldsmobile Tractor Trailer 1:64 scale
Re: comp check
Re: comp check
Re: Stroke calculations
Re: mid-80s 442 rims, value?
FW: Poly suspension bushings - - a tech question

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 19:47:15 -0400
From: "vze210y3" <vze210y3@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: 455

Rick,
Do you, by any chance, live in the Ithaca NY area?  I used to know a Rick
Messenger and haven't heard that name again until today...
Scott
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:59 PM
Subject: 455


> Hi, I am looking for upgrade info. on my 76 Olds. 455 in my 98.  I would
> like to return this beautiful piece of Detroit iron back to it's more
> powerful roots. Right now this engine turns out an anemic 218 HP at 375
ft.
> lbs. torque. The old 98s of 1968-71 had 455s that turned out 360 to 370
hp.
> at around 450 ft. lbs. torque. I am a pretty good stock mechanic, but
> frankly am overwhelmed by all the speed/power stuff, and do not really
know
> what is good from what is just ok. I still want to stay with a carbureted
> engine, because if something goes wrong "I" can still fix it. I would like
> to be able to stick with regular pump gas, and had roughly figured that
new
> pistons at 9.5 to 9.75-1 should work. I would like to make it as bullet
> proof as possible, and intend to install headers and dual pipes. Any
advise
> about what to do along with what to buy, i.e.. namebrands, would be most
> helpful and appreciated. Should I ditch the heads that are on it now for
> some out of a W30 , or can my heads be reworked in order to breath better.
> Thanks.
>
> Rick Messenger
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 17:20:31 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: 455

Scott. No I live in Spokane Washington, was born and raised in Centralia
Washington. According to the Mormons, (which I am not, my Aunt is) there are
at least 4 or more dozen Rick Messengers in the USof A, out of roughly
18,000 world wide. Not a large family, and it is just as well. All the
teasing I have had to endure with the name makes one think twice in
replicating it.LOL
Rick
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "vze210y3" <vze210y3@verizon.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: 455


> Rick,
> Do you, by any chance, live in the Ithaca NY area?  I used to know a Rick
> Messenger and haven't heard that name again until today...
> Scott
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:59 PM
> Subject: 455
>
>
> > Hi, I am looking for upgrade info. on my 76 Olds. 455 in my 98.  I would
> > like to return this beautiful piece of Detroit iron back to it's more
> > powerful roots. Right now this engine turns out an anemic 218 HP at 375
> ft.
> > lbs. torque. The old 98s of 1968-71 had 455s that turned out 360 to 370
> hp.
> > at around 450 ft. lbs. torque. I am a pretty good stock mechanic, but
> > frankly am overwhelmed by all the speed/power stuff, and do not really
> know
> > what is good from what is just ok. I still want to stay with a
carbureted
> > engine, because if something goes wrong "I" can still fix it. I would
like
> > to be able to stick with regular pump gas, and had roughly figured that
> new
> > pistons at 9.5 to 9.75-1 should work. I would like to make it as bullet
> > proof as possible, and intend to install headers and dual pipes. Any
> advise
> > about what to do along with what to buy, i.e.. namebrands, would be most
> > helpful and appreciated. Should I ditch the heads that are on it now for
> > some out of a W30 , or can my heads be reworked in order to breath
better.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Rick Messenger
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 20:26:15 -0400
From: "vze210y3" <vze210y3@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: 455

The guy I was thinking of was in Ithaca in the early 70's when I was there
at school.  Well, anyway, nice to meet you, Rick.  If it's any consolation,
the name sticks with me because I always thought it was a cool name - great
for a rock star.
Scott
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: 455


> Scott. No I live in Spokane Washington, was born and raised in Centralia
> Washington. According to the Mormons, (which I am not, my Aunt is) there
are
> at least 4 or more dozen Rick Messengers in the USof A, out of roughly
> 18,000 world wide. Not a large family, and it is just as well. All the
> teasing I have had to endure with the name makes one think twice in
> replicating it.LOL
> Rick
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "vze210y3" <vze210y3@verizon.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:47 PM
> Subject: Re: 455
>
>
> > Rick,
> > Do you, by any chance, live in the Ithaca NY area?  I used to know a
Rick
> > Messenger and haven't heard that name again until today...
> > Scott
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Monday, August 16, 2004 9:59 PM
> > Subject: 455
> >
> >
> > > Hi, I am looking for upgrade info. on my 76 Olds. 455 in my 98.  I
would
> > > like to return this beautiful piece of Detroit iron back to it's more
> > > powerful roots. Right now this engine turns out an anemic 218 HP at
375
> > ft.
> > > lbs. torque. The old 98s of 1968-71 had 455s that turned out 360 to
370
> > hp.
> > > at around 450 ft. lbs. torque. I am a pretty good stock mechanic, but
> > > frankly am overwhelmed by all the speed/power stuff, and do not really
> > know
> > > what is good from what is just ok. I still want to stay with a
> carbureted
> > > engine, because if something goes wrong "I" can still fix it. I would
> like
> > > to be able to stick with regular pump gas, and had roughly figured
that
> > new
> > > pistons at 9.5 to 9.75-1 should work. I would like to make it as
bullet
> > > proof as possible, and intend to install headers and dual pipes. Any
> > advise
> > > about what to do along with what to buy, i.e.. namebrands, would be
most
> > > helpful and appreciated. Should I ditch the heads that are on it now
for
> > > some out of a W30 , or can my heads be reworked in order to breath
> better.
> > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Rick Messenger
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:05:57 -0500
From: "Bruce D. Brumm" <bdbrumm@runbox.com>
Subject: [noc] t*st of n*w account posting, d*lete

T*st

'75 Cutlass Supreme 350
'84 Cutlass Supreme 307
'86 Cutlass Salon	  307
'99 Intrigue GLS	  3.5L
'01 Silhouette GLS  3.4L
 

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 22:13:32 -0400
From: "Pat Swanton \"swanny\"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: [noc] t*st of n*w account posting, d*lete

Came through here.

Cheers
Pat Swanton
Winchester NH
1978 Cutlass Supreme
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce D. Brumm" <bdbrumm@runbox.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 10:05 PM
Subject: [noc] t*st of n*w account posting, d*lete


> T*st
> 
> '75 Cutlass Supreme 350
> '84 Cutlass Supreme 307
> '86 Cutlass Salon   307
> '99 Intrigue GLS   3.5L
> '01 Silhouette GLS  3.4L
>  
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:14:52 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: 455

Those sound about right, standard diesel size.  I use a 
carb bottom and a diesel top on the air cleaner.  On my 
Delta, I used the extra low bottom from a Toro to get 
hood clearance.  Bruce Roe


17 Aug 2004 Frank Fellman <frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net> writes:

> Soooo, Bruce... 'splain to us about the K&N diesel air filter--
> what dimensions are we talkin' about here?  14" x 4"?  Larger?
>  
>  tia...              Phantom455
> ==================
>   
> bcroe@juno.com wrote:
> 
> To get the max return from minimum investment, you 
> need a really good crossover exhaust . And a good 
> air cleaner, I use K & N diesel unit. 

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 23:53:53 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: mid-80s 442 rims, value?

All,

	Came across a guy with a set of mid-80s 442 rims, he's looking to sell
because they just don't match his Monte Carlo.

	Says they're in great shape, but what're the going rates on these?

	Judging by the brief description he gave of them, I'd assume they look
like the following:

	http://www.texas442.com/wheels/wl-85-87-442.html

	except that they've got black inserts instead of gold?

	Thoughts?  I want 'em for my 1979 Calais, and am just trying to figure out
how much to pay.....

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 21:05:45 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: mid-80s 442 rims, value?

Sounds like these are reproduction SS wheels. I forgot who makes them. The 
stock 442 wheels were gold. I would not pay more than $50 each, if they are 
in prime shape. The reproductions are only around $100 each.

George

At 11:53 PM 8/19/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>All,
>
>         Came across a guy with a set of mid-80s 442 rims, he's looking to 
> sell
>because they just don't match his Monte Carlo.
>
>         Says they're in great shape, but what're the going rates on these?
>
>         Judging by the brief description he gave of them, I'd assume they 
> look
>like the following:
>
>         http://www.texas442.com/wheels/wl-85-87-442.html
>
>         except that they've got black inserts instead of gold?
>
>         Thoughts?  I want 'em for my 1979 Calais, and am just trying to 
> figure out
>how much to pay.....
>
>         - Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 00:23:10 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: RS assists the car

So, I just contributed a significant part to the most famous Olds, perhaps, 
of all.

Presentation to be at the Nationals, I hear.

That's all I can say for now.
- ----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 07:40:39 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Stroke calculations

Is there a formula to calculate the distance of a piston top from TDC by
knowing stroke and rod length?

drc

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:14:44 -0400
From: "Pat Swanton \"swanny\"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: mid-80s 442 rims, value?

Hi Joe,

I came across a set of 14" SSII wheels for $200 They were a little dirty,
however with some haggeling (sp) I got hime down to $150. The 15" ones
pictured in great shape would  or could fetch $400. This is just my opinion
without actually seeing the condition of the wheels.

Cheers
Pat Swanton
Winchester NH
1978 Cutlass Supreme
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Vahabzadeh" <king_v@mindless.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; <oldsgmail@spots.ab.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 11:53 PM
Subject: mid-80s 442 rims, value?


> All,
>
> Came across a guy with a set of mid-80s 442 rims, he's looking to sell
> because they just don't match his Monte Carlo.
>
> Says they're in great shape, but what're the going rates on these?
>
> Judging by the brief description he gave of them, I'd assume they look
> like the following:
>
> http://www.texas442.com/wheels/wl-85-87-442.html
>
> except that they've got black inserts instead of gold?
>
> Thoughts?  I want 'em for my 1979 Calais, and am just trying to figure out
> how much to pay.....
>
> - Joe Vahabzadeh
>

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 09:16:15 -0400
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: comp check

   this may sound stupid, but do you do a comp check with all the plugs
removed, or can you do it one at a time, and what makes the difference?
john
67 cutlass supreme

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:26:31 -0500
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: RE: Stroke calculations

You also need to know the distance from the crank centerline to the top of
the deck as well as the distance from the piston pin centerline to the top
of the piston.  If you have a stock non-decked block the first is published
somewhere.  If you know what pistons are in it the second should also be
available.

Eric

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Dave Cullen
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 6:41 AM
To: Olds List
Subject: Stroke calculations


Is there a formula to calculate the distance of a piston top from TDC by
knowing stroke and rod length?

drc

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 08:38:29 -0500
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: RE: Stroke calculations

Should have mentioned.  The clearance between the piston and the top of the
deck would be.

Crank to Deck distance - stroke - rod length - piston height

Eric

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Eric Beaupre
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:27 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: Stroke calculations


You also need to know the distance from the crank centerline to the top of
the deck as well as the distance from the piston pin centerline to the top
of the piston.  If you have a stock non-decked block the first is published
somewhere.  If you know what pistons are in it the second should also be
available.

Eric

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Dave Cullen
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 6:41 AM
To: Olds List
Subject: Stroke calculations


Is there a formula to calculate the distance of a piston top from TDC by
knowing stroke and rod length?

drc

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:01:53 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: f/s: G heads, #5 head, 425 crank, etc. Deliver to Nats?

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Thanks!
- ----------------------
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 10:40:46 -0400
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: G heads, #5 head, 425 crank, etc. Deliver to Nats?

hey chris,
  which olds did the pink tub come from? I don't remember that option being
offered!!!
john
67 cutlass supreme

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 15:38:27 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RS assists the car

>So, I just contributed a significant part to the most famous Olds, perhaps, 
>of all.
>
>Presentation to be at the Nationals, I hear.

You're contributing a solid-main-web block to a 1903 Curved-Dash Olds? I 
think the back wheels will go up in the air...

>That's all I can say for now.

Um, okay...  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 14:51:46 -0400
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: 1950 Oldsmobile Tractor Trailer 1:64 scale

Not sure if this is cool or not, but for 20 beans, I'm sure someone will be
interested:

http://www.diecastmuscle.com/store/MIC998?showPic=/images/micspecials/mic998
.jpg

  ~ Dan

- -------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
- -------------------------------------

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:35:43 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: comp check

It's better to remove all the spark plugs so the engine will spin fairly
free. The reading will be more real-world.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 6:16 AM
Subject: comp check


>    this may sound stupid, but do you do a comp check with all the plugs
> removed, or can you do it one at a time, and what makes the difference?
> john
> 67 cutlass supreme

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 16:46:24 -0400
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: comp check

thanks Milton....
It's better to remove all the spark plugs so the engine will spin fairly
free. The reading will be more real-world.

john

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 13:54:31 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Stroke calculations

> Is there a formula to calculate the distance of a piston top from TDC by
> knowing stroke and rod length?


Dave,

When the piston is at the top of the bore, the top of the piston is at 0
TDC. There's no distance. What are you trying to do?

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 18:15:42 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: mid-80s 442 rims, value?

> Came across a guy with a set of mid-80s 442 rims, he's looking to sell
> because they just don't match his Monte Carlo.
>
> Says they're in great shape, but what're the going rates on these?
>
> Judging by the brief description he gave of them, I'd assume they look
> like the following:
>
> http://www.texas442.com/wheels/wl-85-87-442.html
>
> except that they've got black inserts instead of gold?

- ---------------- 

Assuming they are 15 x 7 they probably started life on an '85 Delta 88.    I
agree with George that $50 per wheel is reasonable if they are in really
nice shape.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 19:51:01 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: FW: Poly suspension bushings - - a tech question

Well, here's the Energy Suspensions' answer to my tech question as set forth 
below, regarding the differences in operation and use between Polyurethane 
and Stock OEM type rubber suspension bushings:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

>From: "Allaine Palomer" <hyperflex@energysuspension.com>
>To: <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
>Subject: FW: Poly suspension bushings - - a tech question
>Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2004 11:25:25 -0500
>
>SOUNDS LIKE YOU KNOW YOUR STUFF...YOU ARE RIGHT ON...YOU DO WANT TO GREASE
>THESE ON ASSY AND PERIODICALLY DEPENDING ON YOUR CLIMATE!!THANKS FOR YOUR
>INTEREST IN ENERGY!!
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Allaine Palomer [mailto:hyperflex@energysuspension.com]
>Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 7:59 AM
>To: Greg Corey
>Subject: FW: Poly suspension bushings - - a tech question
>>++++++++++++++++

>8/14
>sirs;
>
>I am familiar with only the stock rubber type bushings. I have a technical
>engineering type inquiry about the polyurethane type suspension bushings.
>
>As I understand the stock rubber type suspension bushing: the outer steel
>shell is held tightly by the control arm, the inner steel sleeve is held
>tightly by the frame and the pinch of the thru-bolt, and all suspension
>motion takes place as a result of the rubber flexing. Thus the need to
>tighten the pinch bolt with the suspension weighted normally, not hanging
>down at max lower travel as on a hoist. Right?
>
>So, with polyurethane bushings, where does the motion occur?
>MUST they be greased regularly?
>Greased just once, upon installation?
>To what surface is the grease applied?
>
>    I am told with PU bushings, the suspension motion takes place between 
>the
>OD of the inner steel sleeve and the ID of the polyurethane bushing, 
>because
>torsional flexing of the polyurethane is not possible on the order of
>magnitude that rubber exhibits. Is that true?
>
>Thanks for the input!
>----------------------
>Chris Witt
>Mechanical Engineer
>Rocket Science
>1303 W. Miller Rd.
>Lansing MI 48911
>
>RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
>Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
>Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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