
oldsmobile-digest       Monday, August 2 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4972



Re: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400
Re: Last Chance Sale
Brake parts needed for 1970 Delta 88
Re: Wheel bearing seals
TH400 filter retaining bolt???
Fw from KC Star - Gasoline article (Long!)
Re: Last Chance Sale
Re: Wheel bearing seals
Re: Scam
Re: Scam
Manifold sealing
Re: Scam
Re: Manifold sealing
RE: EB*Y scammer
Re: TH400 filter retaining bolt???
New England Olds show pictures
307 to 350 swap
RE: Wheel bearing seals
Re: Fw from KC Star - Gasoline article (Long!)
TH400 filter retaining bolt???
Re: Manifold sealing
Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400
RE: Wheel bearing seals
THM 400 retaining bolt
Norwalk Drags.
Re: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400
Re: New England Olds show pictures
Re: New England Olds show pictures
Rebuilding a TH 350 behind a 355

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:06:51 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400

in stock application the case more than likely broke due to loose mounting bolts at bell housing. my
th400 had done it on my 68 h/o    switch pich was a good idea, i had one in a jetway 2 speed behind
my 350 olds
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Roe" <bcroe@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 11:03 PM
Subject: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400


> 77-79 Olds 98 I have seen with 403 had the THM400 and
> heavier brakes/wheels/axle.  But the General did put a few
> THM350s behind 403s.  My boss had one, and the case
> broke.
>
> The SWitch Pitch feature was in 65-67 Buick/Olds/Cad big
> block cars.  Its usually better to transfer the SWP parts to a
> trans in a later car, than to move the whole trans.  Bruce Roe
>
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:23:05 -0400 Robert Barry
> <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu> writes:
> > At 10:19 PM 7/31/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> > >"Get a 77 or later THM400 with the short tail, from any Cad or 403
> > car"
> > >
> > >For the record, I pulled my last 403 out of a '77 Delta 88 with the
> > >original Turbo 350 still behind it - so not all 403's came through
> > > with T-400's.
> >
> > The B-bodies with the 403 got the TH350; the C-bodies with the 403
> > (Electra, 98) got the TH400.
>
>

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:17:53 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Last Chance Sale

milton if you wanted the stuff you could arrange payment with him and i could pick up n keep the car
n parts at my dads till you found time.
 i hope all is well with youre wife.
 i still have youre c heads, just  ready to be shipped. now that my life is  slowing down and
getting back to calm i can send them out. just so much in a short time.
let me know.
732-986-6388
or email me 77w30442@comcast.net
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 3:01 AM
Subject: Re: Last Chance Sale


> Gene,
>
> I'd take it all in a New York minute, except I'd have to drive there from
> Tucson to pick it up. I'd do it, and try to talk Mark Mullins into going
> along, but my wife is coming home from the hospital(s) on 4 Aug. I can't do
> it.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gene Gatti" <64f-85@comcast.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:10 PM
> Subject: Last Chance Sale
>
>
> > Hi Guys,
> >      I want to get rid of my '64 Cutlass project car and a couple of 455
> > engines. If nobody buys them soon I'll be sending them to the junkyard.
> > I'd hate to do that but I'm tired of looking at them. I'm located in
> > South Jersey near Atlantic City and you would need to pick them up.
> > Here's what I have:
> >
> > 1964 Cutlass Hardtop project car with good, rust free fenders and a
> > decent hood. It would need a complete restoration. Also included is a
> > bunch of used parts such as an entire AC system from a '65 Cutlass and a
> > set of used small block headers. Also some starters and alternators and
> > etc. This car is towable with a tow-bar. I want $200 for this lot.
> >
> > 1968 455 engine that was removed from a boat. It started life as a
> > factory crate motor but is now disassembled and has some rust in a
> > couple of bores. Includes an 'N' crank and small valve C-heads. $100
> >
> > 1968 455 removed from a Toronado. Complete from pan to air cleaner and
> > ran decent when pulled but made a knocking sound. $200
> >
> > Big valve C-heads (one pair) which look to be in good shape. $100
> >
> > Please rescue these treasures from the hungry crusher :-)
> > Thanks,
> > Gene
> > 64f-85@comcast.net
> >
>
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 11:45:57 -0700
From: "mike jones" <spazzer@comcast.net>
Subject: Brake parts needed for 1970 Delta 88

    I have a friend with a '70 Delta 88 convertible and he needs some brake parts to get it back on
the road.  The car has disc brakes and I can't find any in my old bendix book.  He also needs some
e-brake cables, He has cables coming off the backing plates and the cable coming off the pedal but
nothing inbetween.  He also needs some steering linkage parts as well, I don't remember which parts
but its safe to say it'll need everything soon.  He's checked Kragen, Rock Auto and some other GM
parts houses, I don't think I can get the parts from anywhere else either.  ANyone else know where
we could find them?

Mike Jones

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:11:41 -0400
From: "M. Gillespie" <mick442@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Wheel bearing seals

> Anyone have a source for wheel bearing seals for a 70 98 with disc brakes?
> Need 2 would gladly buy 4-6. Bearings are available but not the seals.
>
> Thanks
> Jack

Talk to Greg Rollin at Supercars Unlimited
http://www.supercarsunlimited.com/

They are a great source for "O" type axle components. I bought heavy duty
rear axle bearings with integrated o-ring seals about five years ago and
they have been great.

Mick Gillespie
1969 442 Conv. (clone)
1980 Toro
http://members.rogers.com/mick442/oldspage.htm

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:13:58 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: TH400 filter retaining bolt???

List:

The filter in the turbo 400 is held in with one bolt. The filter has an 
elongated hole. My bolt, which looks like a factory piece, isn't threaded 
completely to the head, it has an unthreaded section of about 1/16". When I 
bolt it down, the filter has play and slides on the elongated hole. Is this 
correct? Or do I need a bolt that firmly nails the filter to the valve body???

I really can't see why it would have to have play?

TIA,

George
71 442 (funny bolt!)
71 C/S (th350, more familiar to the owner)

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:29:47 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Fw from KC Star - Gasoline article (Long!)

In a message dated 8/1/04 1:47:40 PM Central Daylight Time, Eric Linnhoff 
writes:
Posted on Sun, Aug. 01, 2004

Automakers, oil industry in fuel fight

Car companies want more gas additives

By STEVE EVERLY

The Kansas City Star

“Frankly, we didn't want too much input.”

Andrew Buczynsky of GM, about the new fuel standards


Some members of Big Auto and Big Oil are at loggerheads over the quality of 
gasoline pumped into automobiles in this country.

A consortium of major automakers, citing persistent repair problems and 
troubling product tests, recently concluded that the quality of U.S. gasoline 
varies widely and often doesn't burn clean enough to keep engines running smoothly.

And now, in a move that is roiling much of the oil industry, General Motors, 
Honda, Toyota and BMW have banded together to push a new industry fuel 
standard. If that standard is adopted, it will increase levels of gasoline additives 
that prevent deposits on intake valves and fuel injectors that foul engines 
and affect performance, emissions and fuel economy.

The new class of fuel, dubbed “Top Tier Detergent Gasoline,” is a voluntary 
standard that exceeds the current standard set by the Environmental Protection 
Agency. But gas marketers, under pressure from automakers, may find it hard 
to ignore, since it could put them at a competitive disadvantage.

Gasoline sold by QuikTrip — the area's biggest fuel marketer — already meets 
the Top Tier criteria. ChevronTexaco, which has no retail presence in the 
area, also has adopted the standard. Other companies, including Shell Oil, have 
plans to meet the new standard.

The push comes as the automakers say they are seeing persistent problems such 
as clogged fuel injectors and as they begin to introduce a new generation of 
vehicles engineered to meet tougher environmental standards. Those new 
vehicles especially will need fuel with more additives.

The automakers are buttressing their case with an industry analysis that 
tested fuel samples taken from cities across the country — including Kansas City. 
It shows detergent levels in gasoline dropping nearly 50 percent since 1996.

“We've just felt for a long time that gasoline detergency was not at a proper 
level,” said Andrew Buczynsky, a GM fuel engineer.

The American Petroleum Institute, an association that represents the oil 
industry, said it was surprised and disappointed by the automakers' decision to 
push Top Tier without seeking the advice of oil companies. The association has 
sent a letter to the automakers seeking the data used to back their allegations 
and offering to conduct additional gasoline tests.

“At this point, we're waiting for a response,” said Ed Murphy, downstream 
manager for the American Petroleum Institute.

Top Tier is intended to give motorists greater comfort that the fuel they buy 
has sufficient cleaning ability. Experts say the cost of adding the needed 
detergents is a fraction of a cent per gallon.

The controversy over the quality of gasoline challenges the widely held 
belief that all gasoline is about the same.

The auto industry analysis reveals that different brands have different 
detergent levels. And while all gasoline is thought to at least meet the EPA's 
minimum standard for detergents, the automakers say that level is often 
insufficient to keep engines clean.

Although the cost of introducing Top Tier gasoline would be minimal for 
consumers, it could threaten how some oil companies market premium fuel, which 
costs about 20 cents more per gallon than regular gas.

Premium accounts for about 15 percent of gasoline sales, but experts estimate 
that demand for premium would fall to about 5 percent if only cars that 
needed the extra octane used premium.

Some oil companies have sought to increase sales of premium by touting that 
it contains a higher level of detergents. But Top Tier will blur that 
advantage, since all grades, including regular, will have to meet the new standard if a 
marketer wants to participate in the program.

So far, Top Tier gas has received scant attention. But that is expected to 
change as it is included in gasoline marketing.

Automakers plan to publicize a list of gas companies offering the fuel and 
are developing a Top Tier logo for gas pumps. They have created a Web site
at www.toptiergas.com.

Groups such as the A A A are beginning to hear about the new fuel standard. 
The automobile association is currently considering whether to support the
Top Tier program.

“We have the same basic concerns that the automakers have,” said Michael 
Hecht, manager of technical services for AAA Auto Club of Missouri. “We support 
it.”

Questions about fuel quality once seemed settled.

In the 1980s, additives became an issue when fuel injection became popular in 
new cars and trucks. The injectors often became clogged, and the problem
was traced to gasoline with insufficient detergent additives.

Automakers began to publish “good gas” lists. The lists were eventually 
dropped at the urging of some gas marketers, but by then the problem had eased.

Still, some gas companies weren't using detergents and, in a move supported 
by the auto industry, federal regulators mandated specific levels of the
additives. The EPA finalized the regulation in 1997.

But something happened after the new regulation took effect: The amount of 
detergents in the nation's gas supply dropped sharply.

The Alliance for Automobile Manufacturers twice a year takes gasoline samples 
in 26 U.S. cities — including Kansas City. One of the tests is for “unwashed 
gum,” which is an indicator of the amount of detergents in gasoline.

In the winter following the EPA standard going into effect, according to AAM 
tests, unwashed gum levels in regular gas dropped more than 20 percent. By 
2002, gum levels had declined about 50 percent. Although recent tests show 
slightly higher levels, they are still low.

Joe Colucci, a retired director of research and development at GM who now 
operates Automotive Fuels Consulting, said reducing detergent additives to the 
EPA regulation level was seen by some companies as a way to reduce costs. 
Although detergents cost only a fraction of a cent per gallon, it adds up to an 
enormous sum because of the huge volume of gas sold.

“They would say to themselves, ‘We'll meet the letter of the law,' and 
that's what has happened with much of the gasoline,” Colucci said.

By 2002, the automakers say repair records suggested that the EPA standard 
for detergents wasn't high enough. They approached the EPA about increasing 
gasoline detergents, but say they were rebuffed.

“We would have liked to have had some leadership from the EPA, but we just 
haven't been able to get that,” said John Cabaniss, a director of engineering at 
the International Auto Manufacturers Association.

An EPA spokesman said the agency was unaware of the industry attempt to 
improve the fuel standard. He said the agency's program mandates that certified 
detergents be used and in what amounts.

“The program is working well,” said EPA spokesman David Ryan.

But questions about the EPA standard appear to have been the focus of growing 
concern at industry forums, such as a vehicle emissions conference in 
Chattanooga, Tenn., late last year attended by oil and auto companies.

The Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers described “continuing problems from 
inadequate additives use” and said the EPA needs to update its regulations, 
according to information presented at the conference. Another speaker said he 
was seeing problems with fuel injector fouling even when the fuel met EPA 
requirements.

Some oil companies question the standard as well.

Shell Oil estimates that 60 percent of the fuel sold in the United States is 
at or near the “EPA minimum level of detergency” and says that has caused 
problems in some cars.

“We have measured significant deposit buildup in certain vehicles in as 
little as 5,000 miles,” Shell stated in one document.

Early this year, GM approached Honda, Toyota and BMW to join in an effort to 
improve gasoline detergent levels. GM believed that an organized group rather 
than a lone automaker would show the seriousness of the issue.

The move came at a time when automakers were beginning to produce vehicles to 
meet the EPA's “Tier 2” environmental standards for reduced emissions. Such 
vehicles need quality fuel to avoid reduced performance.

“We feel high detergency is preferable,” said Douglas McGregor, an emissions 
compliance engineer for BMW.

In early April, the American Petroleum Institute held a meeting in Detroit 
for the oil and auto industries. A week before the meeting, the association 
received a letter stating that the four automakers would be discussing the Top 
Tier program.

“We were disappointed,” said Murphy of the petroleum institute, adding that 
his group didn't know Top Tier was even in the works before receiving the 
letter.

The oil industry wasn't given an opportunity to give its advice, Murphy said, 
adding that a new fuel standard typically involves cooperation between the 
industries.

But collaboration is unlikely. The automakers say they have previously 
reached out to the oil industry with concerns, but nothing happened. As a result, 
the automakers decided to proceed unilaterally with a new fuel standard.

“Frankly, we didn't want too much input,” said Buczynsky, of GM. “Because 
when we have, it would always drop down to the bare minimum.”

The Top Tier standard was modeled after California's fuel quality 
regulations, which allow half the deposits on intake valves that the federal rules 
permit.  Buczynsky said the amount of detergents in Top Tier-certified gasoline will 
be two to three times the current EPA standard.

While some brands of gas currently have more than the EPA standard, according 
to the auto industry's testing, there are many at the minimum level of 
detergent.

A gasoline marketer who wants to meet the Top Tier standard must do it for 
all grades — not just premium — and make it available at all stations.

While meeting the standard will require testing, automakers say they strive 
to minimize costs. Despite the additional detergents, the cost is expected to 
be a fraction of a cent per gallon.

But the Society of Independent Gas Marketers of America fears that any 
additional costs could prevent some members from offering the Top Tier gas.

“A fraction of a cent can be a substantial part of your profit,” said Tom 
Osborne, a spokesman for the group.

The independent marketers group, however, has invited a GM representative to 
address its members. The society's staff also has been instructed to begin 
helping members who want to participate in the Top Tier program. One of its major 
members, QuikTrip, already has qualified for the Top Tier program.

More major brands are expected to make similar announcements so competitors 
don't get an edge. Shell plans to have all grades of its gas certified Top Tier 
this summer.

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:50:32 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: Last Chance Sale

In a message dated 7/31/04 2:18:39 PM Central Daylight Time, 
64f-85@comcast.net writes:
- -- 1964 Cutlass Hardtop project car with good, rust free fenders and a decent 
hood. It would need a complete restoration. Also included is a bunch of used 
parts such as an entire AC system from a '65 Cutlass and a set of used small 
block headers. Also some starters and alternators and etc. This car is towable 
with a tow-bar. I want $200 for this lot. --

Why is it that these deals show up when I don't have a chance in the world to 
capitalize on them:-(

I'm in the process of rebuilding a 1985 GMC truck to use as a trailer-tower 
and refitting the trailer with new axles.  Add to that the fact that I don't 
have the vacation time to get it and get back to KC and I'm missing another good 
deal.

One of these days........

Take Care,
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:00:37 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Wheel bearing seals

At 03:11 PM 8/1/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>> Anyone have a source for wheel bearing seals for a 70 98 with disc brakes?
>> Need 2 would gladly buy 4-6. Bearings are available but not the seals.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jack
>
>Talk to Greg Rollin at Supercars Unlimited
>http://www.supercarsunlimited.com/
>
>They are a great source for "O" type axle components. I bought heavy duty
>rear axle bearings with integrated o-ring seals about five years ago and
>they have been great.

He wants the FRONT seals, which, sure nuff, aren't listed at either Rock or
DAP. The rears are carried by everybody.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:47:37 EDT
From: ShadowForSale@aol.com
Subject: Re: Scam

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Hi
 
 Your explanation of the scam 442 seems to indicate that year an auto  trans 
was not available. Are there any 442's from other years, out there with an  
auto trans?
 
Thanks

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 15:44:16 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Scam

'65 to '72 442s had an automatic as an option, but *not* '64.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <ShadowForSale@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: Scam


> Hi
>
>  Your explanation of the scam 442 seems to indicate that year an auto
trans
> was not available. Are there any 442's from other years, out there with an
> auto trans?
>
> Thanks
>

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 16:58:42 -0600
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey77@earthlink.net>
Subject: Manifold sealing

  I've noticed a small exhaust leak between one of my exhaust manifolds and
pipes on my '69 Cutlass.  Has anyone used a sealant in this application that
stood up well to the temperatures?  I've head about using the Ultra Copper
RTV, but I think the temps are awefully high for that stuff to last well.

  This stems from a presumed exhaust leak that leaves me smelling like
"rich-running car with exhaust leak" every time I drive for more than a few
minutes.  I got under the car and the only leak that I could spot (looking
for the tell-tale black streak near) was a tiny one between a manifold and
pipe.

thanks for any advice!
John Ramsey
'69 Cutlass 'S'

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 19:31:46 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Scam

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64 442 was the ONLY year that it came as a 4 speed only

65 the 2 speed jetaway was offered as an option


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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:05:32 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Manifold sealing

You need to add a gasket. I have had good luck with the felpro supplied 
gaskets and I put a bit of the copper RTV sealant too. If I don't get a 
head gasket set from Felpro, I generally get the MR gasket compostite 
gasket. That works great too. The RTV is just a filler. Remember, the head 
side is water cooled and does not get as hot as you may think.

George

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 20:38:42 -0400
From: "bscabl" <bscabl@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: RE: EB*Y scammer

They seem spotty, but all cite disatisfaction with being mislead... A trend?
:)
 

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of KS7RACING@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 12:38 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: EB*Y scammer

Want to contact this scumbag directly?

He's at luvdg@aol.com

It appears he's had more than a couple of dissatisfied customers.  Wonder if

he's related to the other fellow in Florida that had less than flattering 
remarks regarding Oldsmobiles.......

Take Care,
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 18:48:19 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: TH400 filter retaining bolt???

I test fitted it with a regular bolt. Doesn't fit, no way. So, the floating 
setup must be factory. I added a washer, because the bolt head was rather 
small, compared to the slotted hole in the filter. Buttoned it all back up. 
Done!

Took it around the block. I have kick down and the car runs like a bat out 
of hell.

George
71 442 (bat!)
71 c/s (slow bat!)

At 12:13 PM 8/1/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>List:
>
>The filter in the turbo 400 is held in with one bolt. The filter has an 
>elongated hole. My bolt, which looks like a factory piece, isn't threaded 
>completely to the head, it has an unthreaded section of about 1/16". When 
>I bolt it down, the filter has play and slides on the elongated hole. Is 
>this correct? Or do I need a bolt that firmly nails the filter to the 
>valve body???
>
>I really can't see why it would have to have play?
>
>TIA,
>
>George
>71 442 (funny bolt!)
>71 C/S (th350, more familiar to the owner)

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 22:10:54 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: New England Olds show pictures

Good evening folks!

Had a splendid time at the New England Olds show this afternoon.  We had
sun, we had drizzle, and we had downpours.  I should have brought a change
of clothes... the sun did come out and stay out eventually.  Had the
pleasure of seeing Dan G's with his black W31, John P & family, and Bill R
with his 455 powered 85 Cutlass.  I managed to take some pictures which are
available here:
http://maytag87.dyndns.org:8081/rob/CTOldsShow2004/

Already looking forward to next year!

Enjoy!
Rob
Free Olds classifieds and Olds car registry at www.allolds.com

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 21:54:24 -0500
From: "Scott White" <scottwhite98@hotmail.com>
Subject: 307 to 350 swap

Hello again-

I contacted the list a while back with this question and this is a bit of a 
followup.

Recap: An 86 Cutlass Supreme with 307  and TH 2004r needs some warming up.  
Cheap '77 350 and TH-350 is now mine.  Gears have begun to turn.

I was debating on wether or not to keep the computer or not.  If I decide to 
keep the computer, I will need a different intake from an older 307, as well 
as the ECM from an older 307.  This shouldn't be a problem.

The 350 doesn't have stellar performance in the '77 model.  I would like to 
warm it up some.  Would the 350 benefit from a new mild cam to accentuate 
low-end torque?  Would this warming up jeopardize the frail TH2004r 
transmission (which WILL be recieving an external cooler)?  Lastly, exactly 
how much warming up will the pre-86 ECM handle before going on the fritz?

And, if I go schitzo messing with the ECM and decide to ditch it, can I keep 
the '77 carb and intake intact?

It might be worth noting in closing that this vehicle would be a daily 
driver and wouldn't ever see RPM's over, oh...I'd guess, 4500.  (yea, 
right...who am I kidding?!)

Someone asked wether a Cutlass Supreme recieved a lower gear ratio than the 
stock 2.56 when the car was ordered with the towing option.  Nope. I 
actually thought that 2.41 was stock and 2.56 was part of the towing 
option...I guess not.

.......and speaking of gear ratios...  I think this combo would be greatly 
helped by a numerically higher rear end.   What options are there for new 
diffy's?

TIA

On digest mode
Scott White
93 Cutlass Supreme S (POS driver)
86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (desperately wanting 43 more cubes)
70 Cutlass Supreme  (crying tears of neglect)
55 Super 88 (Needs work. Volunteers?)

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 23:37:24 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: Wheel bearing seals

Found a TIMKEN part #. I'll try Jamaica Bearing this week. Part number seems
to be 9762S. Should know in a day or so. But still looking until the items
are in hand.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Steve Harrison
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 4:01 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Wheel bearing seals


At 03:11 PM 8/1/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>> Anyone have a source for wheel bearing seals for a 70 98 with disc
brakes?
>> Need 2 would gladly buy 4-6. Bearings are available but not the seals.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jack
>
>Talk to Greg Rollin at Supercars Unlimited
>http://www.supercarsunlimited.com/
>
>They are a great source for "O" type axle components. I bought heavy duty
>rear axle bearings with integrated o-ring seals about five years ago and
>they have been great.

He wants the FRONT seals, which, sure nuff, aren't listed at either Rock or
DAP. The rears are carried by everybody.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 22:47:04 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Fw from KC Star - Gasoline article (Long!)

The automakers are right.

About 4 months ago, I had 2 incidents with the Trans Sport where the "check
engine" light came on. The first time, I had no warning of a cause. Roger at
Meyer's Garage reset the engine code for me. Roger suspected a momentary
engine hiccup from a fouled injector. About 2 weeks later, when I started up
at Life Care Center after seeing Mary, the engine ran rough and missed and
the code came on. I drove 1/2 mile to the first stoplight, and after the
stoplight changed and I accelerated away, the engine cleared. The next day,
Roger reset the engine code. He was now convinced I had fouled injectors. He
told me to run 2 tanks of Chevron (with Techron) through the van, and the
problem should cure itself. Roger doesn't like any of the store bought
injector cleaners. I did that, 2 tanks of Chevron Techron, and no further
problem since.

I think better quality gas is a good idea.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 00:31:20 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: TH400 filter retaining bolt???

That sounds about right.  Bruce Roe

1 Aug 2004  geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net writes:
> When I bolt it down, the filter has play and slides on the 
> elongated hole.  Is this correct? 

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 22:51:17 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Manifold sealing

I don't think you'll find a sealer that will work. You'll probably have to
drop the exhaust pipe and see if the manifold or the exhaust pipe bell is
eroded and causing the leak. If so, the offending part may have to be
replaced. Maybe just tightening the hold down nuts may stop the leak.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey77@earthlink.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 3:58 PM
Subject: Manifold sealing


>
>
>   I've noticed a small exhaust leak between one of my exhaust manifolds
and
> pipes on my '69 Cutlass.  Has anyone used a sealant in this application
that
> stood up well to the temperatures?  I've head about using the Ultra Copper
> RTV, but I think the temps are awefully high for that stuff to last well.
>
>   This stems from a presumed exhaust leak that leaves me smelling like
> "rich-running car with exhaust leak" every time I drive for more than a
few
> minutes.  I got under the car and the only leak that I could spot (looking
> for the tell-tale black streak near) was a tiny one between a manifold and
> pipe.
>
> thanks for any advice!
> John Ramsey
> '69 Cutlass 'S'
>
>

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 00:46:34 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400

Well yes, THM400s came with 4, 5, or 6 clutches in a pack.  
Pressures set up vary with the model.  And parts from some 
years are better than the equivalent parts from other years.  
All those things are easily swapped/upgraded.  

But per the original question, the worst 400 ever built was 
probably twice as strong as a THM350.  

1 Aug 2004  "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net> writes:
> a th400 is not bullit proof ,in most cases you have to  change the 
> drum,add clucth packs and sprag
> assemblies. not all th400 are the same internaly. check any sevice 
> manual it list the difference in
> the number of  clutch's used per clutch pack.
> the valve bodies vary in charistics. i had a th400 out of a caddy 
> that regardless of manual gear
> selection of first the bitch would shift into second gear at 2500 
> rpm regardless of speed. the
> trans  valve body was designed to force shift to prevent engine 
> damage.
> ron

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 01:57:55 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Wheel bearing seals

Should not be a problem. I will check w/ G&I.


- -----Original Message-----

Found a TIMKEN part #. I'll try Jamaica Bearing this week. Part number seems
to be 9762S. Should know in a day or so. But still looking until the items
are in hand.

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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 05:39:19 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: THM 400 retaining bolt

George
    That filter is supposed to float just a little. Thats why the 
factory bolt has a small shoulder on it. Glad it worked out for you.
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 06:20:53 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: Norwalk Drags.

Back from Dick Miller Olds Nationals.  Senseational Day.  Lots of kick-a**
Olds!
Somebody said Olds is dead.  I beg to differ!

How about a 6.5 second '72 Hurst Olds!

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 06:33:33 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400

I will argue that point
my 1977 supreme with a 468  destroyed 2- th400 transmissions.
I was in need of the car  and had a th350 that I acquired from a Buick.
took it to trans shop and 1 weeks later I had  one hard shifting  th350. it lived in my car for a
few yrs, it died due to me loaning car to my sister  and her not noticing trans cooler sprung a leak
she ran the trans dry. I then went back to the th400. which is a great trans but to say a th350 wont
last is just false. now if we were talking about the metric 200 and 200r4 I would totally agree.
I will tell you I do not drive my car normal im on the gas when ever I see the chance,I love to
chirp or spin the tires between shifts. and raced my 77 just about on a daily basis.
but in the end it boils down to you're own experience good or bad.
Ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bcroe@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 1:46 AM
Subject: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400


> Well yes, THM400s came with 4, 5, or 6 clutches in a pack.
> Pressures set up vary with the model.  And parts from some
> years are better than the equivalent parts from other years.
> All those things are easily swapped/upgraded.
>
> But per the original question, the worst 400 ever built was
> probably twice as strong as a THM350.
>
> 1 Aug 2004  "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net> writes:
> > a th400 is not bullit proof ,in most cases you have to  change the
> > drum,add clucth packs and sprag
> > assemblies. not all th400 are the same internaly. check any sevice
> > manual it list the difference in
> > the number of  clutch's used per clutch pack.
> > the valve bodies vary in charistics. i had a th400 out of a caddy
> > that regardless of manual gear
> > selection of first the bitch would shift into second gear at 2500
> > rpm regardless of speed. the
> > trans  valve body was designed to force shift to prevent engine
> > damage.
> > ron
>

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:19:11 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: New England Olds show pictures

Anyone know why it was not at the Alderman Olds/Caddy dealership in Meriden
as it's been for 6 years?

drc

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 07:58:32 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: New England Olds show pictures

I thnk that Dealership is no longer an Oldsmobile dealer.

Rob
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: New England Olds show pictures


> Anyone know why it was not at the Alderman Olds/Caddy dealership in
Meriden
> as it's been for 6 years?

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 08:36:04 -0400
From: "Brian J Kerr" <bkerr@ecologistics.com>
Subject: Rebuilding a TH 350 behind a 355

The latest thread on transmissions has prompted me to ask my own questions
of the list.

In my 69 Cutlass Convertible, I have  a 455 block out of a 71 442  with C
heads. I am unsure of the cam, but believe it to be non stock. I have a
leaky (original) TH350 in the car, and a local highly regarded mechanic with
extensive transmission experience is going to rebuild the transmission for
me. What torque converter and modifications outside of a standard rebuild
would be recommended for this transmission?  I forget the gear ratio, but
the car is best suited for cruising, not racing.

Brian J Kerr
President/Project Manager
Ecologistics Research Services
21599 Cherry Hill Road
Thorndale, Ontario
N0M 2P0

Office -  519 461 1167
Fax -      519 461 1151
Mobile - 519 521 6703

bkerr@ecologistics.com

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