
oldsmobile-digest       Sunday, August 1 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4971



Re: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400
ooops, sent the list a copy of the latest scammer update
NJ 64-65 and 455's and pcs
FW: Re: new find - rare engine
RE: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400
RE: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400
Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400
Re: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400
71 TH400 electrical connections??
Re: Last Chance Sale
EB*Y scammer
Fw: your '64 442
Re: EB*Y scammer
Re: EB*Y scammer
RE: your '64 442
Best Buy: Hurst Shifter Rebuild
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
71 TH400 electrical connections??
Re: EB*Y scammer
Wheel bearing seals
Re: 71 TH400 electrical connections??
Re: 71 TH400 electrical connections??
Re: 71 TH400 electrical connections??
Re: 71 TH400 electrical connections??
Re: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400
Re: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400

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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 20:01:24 -0400
From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400

Well, that is a good news, I was stuck with the idea that the TH400 will
lower my mpg a good amount, if not, ther will be one in the 81CS.. unless I
find a suitable 200 4R, which would be the best in a light body - I mean the
overdrive.
Now, how works the switch pitch, well, exactly is it still available or it
was an old solution from the 60ties?
rgds
Matt
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Roe" <bcroe@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 11:17 AM
Subject: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400


> There is nothing inherent about a THM400 that uses a
> lot of gas, attribute that to the engines they are bolted
> to.  Most economy relates to the torque converter.  A
> lower stall converter will slip less and waste less gas.
> So a THM400 with a 13" converter can get better mileage
> than a THM350 with a 12".  A Switch Pitch 400 with a
> dual range (performance/economy) converter will
> definitely improve mileage a couple points over a fixed
> compromise converter, and has more performance
> available to boot.
>
> A lockup clutch converter can eliminate these loses, so
> it can make a (rather small) difference.  So can an
> overdrive trans, for the same axle ratio.  To do apples to
> apples, these units should be compared to the modern
> version of the 400, the 4L80E.  However, a Switch Pitch
> can come close to a 4 speed in performance & economy,
> using an appropriate lower number axle raio.  I cruise
> at 60 mph at 2000 rpm, in a 2 ton car capable of 91mph
> in the 1/4 mile with switch pitch and a 2.41 axle.
>
> The 400 IS heavier, about 215 lb complete.  And the
> rotational inertia of the bullet proof internals is more too.
> These factors will only show up racing if you are worried
> about several decimal places, and are really
> unmeasureable for economy.
>
> Bruce (uses only switch pitch 400s) Roe
>
> 31 Jul 2004  "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net> writes:
> > People say, the TH400 eats a lot more gas... how right it is?
> > Matt
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Bruce Roe" <bcroe@juno.com>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:35 PM
> > Subject: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400
> >
> >
> > > A 350 has no business behind a big block; its marginal
> > > for a 403.  Get a 77 or later THM400 with the short tail,
> > > from any Cad or 403 car.  The long tail can be changed
> > > out, but complete disassembly is required.
> > >
> > > The trans support will need to move back, and the 400
> > > needs a larger yoke; the short one will allow the same
> > > drive shaft.
> > >
> > > Bruce Roe

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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 21:41:42 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: ooops, sent the list a copy of the latest scammer update

that reminder to pay [with entire histiory attached] was supposed to be just 
for the scammers, ooops.
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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 21:45:41 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: NJ 64-65 and 455's and pcs

Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 15:10:41 -0400
From: Gene Gatti <64f-85@comcast.net>
Subject: Last Chance Sale

Hi Guys,
     I want to get rid of my '64 Cutlass project car and a couple of 455
engines. If nobody buys them soon I'll be sending them to the junkyard.
...
Please rescue these treasures from the hungry crusher :-)


1964 Cutlass Hardtop project car with good, rust free fenders and a
decent hood. It would need a complete restoration. Also included is a
bunch of used parts such as an entire AC system from a '65 Cutlass and a
set of used small block headers. Also some starters and alternators and
etc. This car is towable with a tow-bar. I want $200 for this lot.
=========
Bargain at that.


1968 455 $100
1968 455 Toronado.  $200
BV C-heads (one pair) which look to be in good shape. $100

Gene
64f-85@comcast.net
===================
Ouch
maybe lighten the price on the motors to what the boneyard would give you, 
make the trip from MI affordable?
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Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 21:50:31 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: FW: Re: new find - rare engine

>From: KS7RACING@aol.com
>To: rocketscience442@hotmail.com
>Subject: Re: new find - rare engine
>Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 21:28:34 EDT
>
>In a message dated 7/6/04 8:37:41 PM Central Daylight Time,
>rocketscience442@hotmail.com writes:
>-- About to leave, hey, what's this, an Olds engine with a weird plate 
>where
>the water pump should be?
>
>turns out it's an experimental engine...
>odd unit at that
>D2 block with EE- something casting ID on the back, no F-number casting ID 
>at
>all. --
>
>Chris,
>
>Did you ever get any pictures of this critter?
>
>Heck, with all the cool stuff you get to find in the yard searches you do
>makes me wish I lived closer!
>
>Take Care,
>Ken
============
sure I got pix of it
what part did ya want to see?
I sent this to the list too in case folks wanna see some of it.
I need a web page I guess.
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:19:45 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400

"Get a 77 or later THM400 with the short tail, from any Cad or 403 car"

For the record, I pulled my last 403 out of a '77 Delta 88 with the original Turbo 350 still behind it - so not all 403's came through with T-400's.

- -- 
Michael Ecker
Lehigh Acres, Florida
ecker567@comcast.net

1978 Cutlass Supreme - $500 purchase, being slowly fixed up
   (in line for V6-to-403 swap soon, and maybe 200-4R and gears...)

1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - becoming a circle track car
   (bought without title, had Certificate of Destruction so can never
    be re-registered, but will uphold the Oldsmobile name with honor)

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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:23:05 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: RE: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400

At 10:19 PM 7/31/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>"Get a 77 or later THM400 with the short tail, from any Cad or 403 car"
>
>For the record, I pulled my last 403 out of a '77 Delta 88 with the 
>original Turbo 350 still behind it - so not all 403's came through with 
>T-400's.

The B-bodies with the 403 got the TH350; the C-bodies with the 403 
(Electra, 98) got the TH400.

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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:03:25 -0500
From: Bruce Roe <bcroe@juno.com>
Subject: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400

77-79 Olds 98 I have seen with 403 had the THM400 and
heavier brakes/wheels/axle.  But the General did put a few 
THM350s behind 403s.  My boss had one, and the case 
broke.  

The SWitch Pitch feature was in 65-67 Buick/Olds/Cad big
block cars.  Its usually better to transfer the SWP parts to a 
trans in a later car, than to move the whole trans.  Bruce Roe

On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 22:23:05 -0400 Robert Barry
<rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu> writes:
> At 10:19 PM 7/31/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >"Get a 77 or later THM400 with the short tail, from any Cad or 403 
> car"
> >
> >For the record, I pulled my last 403 out of a '77 Delta 88 with the 
> >original Turbo 350 still behind it - so not all 403's came through 
> > with T-400's.
> 
> The B-bodies with the 403 got the TH350; the C-bodies with the 403 
> (Electra, 98) got the TH400.

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 00:13:54 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400

> >I can pick up a used turbo 400 for a lot less than rebuilding the turbo
350
> >for my 69 Cutlass. Since I'm switching the 403 in the car to a 455, is
the
> >turbo 400 the better way to go? (Local wrecker has a good used 1976
turbo
> >400 out of a wagon)
I am running a long-tail TH400 in my 71 Cutlass convertible. Probably the
only reason I can do this without modification is that I have a different
crossmember that sits on top of the frame, due to the rails being fully
boxed. I turned the crossmember around and moved it back all the way, and it
works fine. I had to grind a slot for the e-brake cable hook but other than
that it's okay. Smitty sold me a driveshaft with 400 yoke that just randomly
happened to be the perfect size, so I was set with that, too. :) You WILL
need a bigger yoke with the TH400, and that's also no trivial thing to
change, I believe you need to find a shop to press the u-joint caps in and
out.
You will also need a kickdown switch and the little bracket that it mounts
to over the gas pedal ( or do like me and hook it up to the carb linkage,
was easier for me than trying to find that stupid bracket -- which is A-body
specific!!)
Chris

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Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 23:43:24 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: 71 TH400 electrical connections??

List:

71 442 w/ th400:

I had no kick down for a while and checked today. Sure enough, the black 
and orange wire that goes to the solenoid connector on the trans is ripped 
off. I guess I must have run over something ... I am positive, connecting 
it back up will give me my kick down back.

However, now there is a second wire in the same factory bundle (2 wire 
"harness", so to speak). It is green or mabe green and black. Where does 
this go???

I checked the wiring diagram in the manual and there is a "TRANS CONT. 
SPARK SOLENOID" which is connected with a dark green wire. I have no clue 
what this does. Seems like it is connected to the backup light and neutral 
safety circuits?

Worse, there isn't a second connector on the entire trans this mystery 
green wire could go on to! I have the pan on the trans off as well for a 
fluid service. The only electrical connector inside I can see is the down 
shift solenoid. Also, the manual shows two wire connectors inside the trans 
(in the rebuild section) but there is nothing like that on mine. Mine 
definitely has a single lead insulating feed through on the case ...

Can anyone tell me where this green wire goes and what it may do?

TIA, George
71 442 (w/ mystery green wire)
71 C/S (no electric tricks on the trans)

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 00:01:10 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Last Chance Sale

Gene,

I'd take it all in a New York minute, except I'd have to drive there from
Tucson to pick it up. I'd do it, and try to talk Mark Mullins into going
along, but my wife is coming home from the hospital(s) on 4 Aug. I can't do
it.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Gene Gatti" <64f-85@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 12:10 PM
Subject: Last Chance Sale


> Hi Guys,
>      I want to get rid of my '64 Cutlass project car and a couple of 455
> engines. If nobody buys them soon I'll be sending them to the junkyard.
> I'd hate to do that but I'm tired of looking at them. I'm located in
> South Jersey near Atlantic City and you would need to pick them up.
> Here's what I have:
>
> 1964 Cutlass Hardtop project car with good, rust free fenders and a
> decent hood. It would need a complete restoration. Also included is a
> bunch of used parts such as an entire AC system from a '65 Cutlass and a
> set of used small block headers. Also some starters and alternators and
> etc. This car is towable with a tow-bar. I want $200 for this lot.
>
> 1968 455 engine that was removed from a boat. It started life as a
> factory crate motor but is now disassembled and has some rust in a
> couple of bores. Includes an 'N' crank and small valve C-heads. $100
>
> 1968 455 removed from a Toronado. Complete from pan to air cleaner and
> ran decent when pulled but made a knocking sound. $200
>
> Big valve C-heads (one pair) which look to be in good shape. $100
>
> Please rescue these treasures from the hungry crusher :-)
> Thanks,
> Gene
> 64f-85@comcast.net
>

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 03:02:33 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: EB*Y scammer

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Hey all

Item number: 2486025957

Check this guy out,      has a 64 cutlass AUTOMATIC   that he is trying to 
pass of as a 64 442,    ALL the emblems are incorrect,    does not have the duel 
snorkel air cleaner.

Worst part is   the car was up on eb*y last week with a correction stating 
that it was not a 442  now it is back as a 442 again.

Time to fire off a bunch of emails to him   as we as to eb*y,    man  I 
cannot stand thieves

Vinny
64 442 all original  sold  March/04
68 H/O  far from orig,  but documented #511

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<DIV>Hey all</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Item number: 2486025957</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Check this guy out,&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; has a 64 cutlass AUTO=
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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ction stating that it was not a 442&nbsp; now it is back as a 442 again.</DI=
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Time to fire off a bunch of emails to him&nbsp;&nbsp; as we as to eb*y,=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; man&nbsp; I cannot stand thieves</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Vinny</DIV>
<DIV>64 442 all original&nbsp; sold&nbsp; March/04</DIV>
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 01:39:54 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Fw: your '64 442

I just sent the following to the eBay jerk on the '64 442. Since I'm not
registered on eBay, I couldn't send it to eBay, so if someone else want's
to, feel free. If that ad is still there by midnight Sunday, I will contact
the FBI/FCC.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <luvdg@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 1:35 AM
Subject: your '64 442


> Sir,
>
> Your eBay item #2486025957 is not a true or original '64 Olds 442.
>
> 1) *NO* '64 442 was ever equipped with an automatic, as verified by
> Oldsmobile production records. The option was 4 for four barrel, 4 for
four
> speed manual, and 2 for dual exhaust.
>
> 2) The trunk 442 emblem is in the wrong location.
>
> 3) There is no 442 emblem on the dash.
>
> 4) There is no dual snorkel 442 air filter. Your car has a standard single
> snorkel Cutlass and F-85 air cleaner.
>
> I will give you 24 hours to change your ad. If the corrections are not
made,
> I *WILL* file an official complaint with the FBI Internet Fraud Unit. I am
> not joking or bluffing.
>
> Milton Schick
> imp@theriver.com
>
>

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 09:12:45 -0400
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: EB*Y scammer

Ok...Folks...this is the Letter I sent to him...and YES I was talking about
ALL of you out there when I mentioned I have been schooled by some of the
TOP Olds Collects out there! Lets see what this appoarch brings!!!

Tami



 To Whom is handling the 1964 Silver 4-4-2...

As an Oldsmobile lover(starting back in 1978) and part-time collector of
Oldsmobiles, I have a few question's about the car you have on eBay...the
1964 4-4-2 Silver in color. Item # 2486025957

I have been schooled by some of the TOP Oldsmobile Collectors out there. I
have learned my Cutlass's, 4-4-2's and F-85's for every year inside and out!
I know alot about those cars...I mean ALOT!

I have yet to see any Original 1964 4-4-2 with an Automatic....could you
please enlighten me as how this could be? Every 4-4-2 of 1964 that is
Original has a 4 speed tranny. No Exceptions!  The 4-4-2 ment,  4 barrel, 4
speed, 2 exhaust, period. Not 4 barrel, automatic, 2
exhaust...mmmm.....wonder...this must be a VERY rare car than...you should
be asking for much more than the mere 15 G's....I was wondering were the
Dual snorkel air cleaner went off to? This car came with one....did you
trade it for something of greater value?

Another thing that I would like to ask you about are the Emblems...the 4-4-2
emblem above the dash is a FENDER emblem.....did you know this?
mmmmm...wonder how it ended up there? Magic maybe??? A REAL 1964 4-4-2  had
a much smaller 4-4-2 emblem on the dash....infact ALL the Emblems are wrong!

I'm wondering how much you really know about cars....I take it this is a
dealership of Older Cars....I think you may have been lied to as far as this
car goes...or maybe you are the one doing the lieing? Either way....this is
NOT an Original 1964 4-4-2.....no matter how you cut the mustard...its NOT
Original...how can you present it as one?? Is that not AGAINST the law in
some way, shape or form????? Shouldnt you have put in your ad for the
car...4-4-2 Clone!

Anywho.....if you could get back to me on my questions with some answers I
would truly  enjoy hearing them....I am interested in the car...but only if
the truth is known about this car...I will not bid on a car that is being
tagged as a 4-4-2 when it clearly is NOT an Orignal 4-4-2.

Warmest Regards....Tami

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 09:23:09 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: EB*Y scammer

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In a message dated 8/1/2004 9:16:46 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net writes:
A REAL 1964 4-4-2  had
a much smaller 4-4-2 emblem on the dash....
Hi Tami,

The 1964 442    did not have a "442" emblem on the dash at all,   the dash 
emblem started in 1965.

Vinny

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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The 1964 442&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; did not have a "442" emblem on the dash=20=
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 09:35:09 -0400
From: "bscabl" <bscabl@nycap.rr.com>
Subject: RE: your '64 442

Sent to ebay, ill forward the email to this group when I get it

 

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Infinite Space
Systems, Inc.
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 4:40 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Fw: your '64 442

I just sent the following to the eBay jerk on the '64 442. Since I'm not
registered on eBay, I couldn't send it to eBay, so if someone else want's
to, feel free. If that ad is still there by midnight Sunday, I will contact
the FBI/FCC.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <luvdg@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 1:35 AM
Subject: your '64 442


> Sir,
>
> Your eBay item #2486025957 is not a true or original '64 Olds 442.
>
> 1) *NO* '64 442 was ever equipped with an automatic, as verified by
> Oldsmobile production records. The option was 4 for four barrel, 4 for
four
> speed manual, and 2 for dual exhaust.
>
> 2) The trunk 442 emblem is in the wrong location.
>
> 3) There is no 442 emblem on the dash.
>
> 4) There is no dual snorkel 442 air filter. Your car has a standard single
> snorkel Cutlass and F-85 air cleaner.
>
> I will give you 24 hours to change your ad. If the corrections are not
made,
> I *WILL* file an official complaint with the FBI Internet Fraud Unit. I am
> not joking or bluffing.
>
> Milton Schick
> imp@theriver.com
>
>

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:55:57 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Best Buy: Hurst Shifter Rebuild

OK, I tried that Hurst shifter rebuild service

WOW !

What a difference. I have B4 & After pix of course.

I could NOT remove the shifter handle from the shifter- "slide a slim gage 
in beside the handle and pull handle" - yeah, right, not after 30 yrs of MI 
weathering. I broke off a hack saw blade in there. Gave up, sent handle with 
the thing.

Service man called a week or 2 later, said it took him an hour to extract 
the handle from the receptacle. Said did I want the handle plated while 
we're at it, for a mere $30 additional. Sure, I says, go ahead.

Right about 4 weeks after I sent it away, it came back JUST LIKE NEW. "H 
442" handle is perfect, rustfree, pitless. Shifter body is freshly 
galvanized, lubed, looks just like new. Came with new bushings and clips for 
the rods, and 2 stickers for the toolbox, too.

Total cost was right about $130 in addition to attaining the shifter itself. 
Well worth it. Can't wait to install it and see how it works, and then send 
the extracted unit off for the same treatment.

Cost was something like: $80 for basic rebuild, $30 for handle chrome, $20 
for parts - I think he had to cut the handle receptacle apart to get the 
handle out.

Google search on "Hurst shifter rebuild" should get you the address if you 
would like to try that service yourself.
- ----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:24:29 -0600
From: eric <aksoe1@sasktel.net>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

Steve Harrison wrote:

>The manifold vacuum will depend upon how far the secondaries open. I found
>that before bending the secondary flapper tang, the lowest vacuum I could
>get at WOT was about 2.5"; after bending the tang, the vacuum now drops
>almost to zero.
>
>  
>
Makes sense, must play with that when I get my Carb rebuilt.

>>For timing, I'm using a 1980 HEI Distributor, untouched, but way 
>>advanced of stock (+ an adjustable vacuum advance).  I want to get a 
>>recurved one, but I'm still learning on this.
>>    
>>
>
>This implies you're not using the computer?
>  
>
No, 1971 Cutlass, so no computer.  I use a toggle switch for the 
Torque.  I wouldn't be afraid of trying the complete computer Carb 
system if I had a complete one (or not even 100% complete). 

>Rejetting the primaries won't do much, if anything, for WOT. The secondary
>rods are removable without disassembling a Q-jet since they hang from the
>secondary hanger which is mounted in between the two secondary air flappers
>(or doors).
>  
>
This is the plan.  Good mileage when cruising down highway, but give it 
as much fuel as it needs to go when you walk on it.  Cold running may 
suffer, but I'm used to finicky running ski-doos and all kinds of 
half-running stuff, so I can deal with that.

>That would be inneresting. At what speed/rpm are you obtaining 25 mpg? What
>kind of gas and have you tried different suppliers?
>
>  
>
Haven't tried all the different suplliers yet, although with my limited 
tests I think there are differences.  Unfortunately, I'm working on the 
WOT performance, so I can only gage a tank for mileage where I drove it 
in Broken Foot Mode.
As  for when/how fast, with 95% highway miles, 65-70 ish (depending on 
vacuum gauge, tried to keep 16 inches), I pulled a 26MPIG.  Test was 
only 150 miles, but I filled at same station in same spot myself both 
times and used the same angle to fill the tank, and let it kick out 4 
times on each fill, so that should be close to accurate.  RPM would be 
around 1700 for this speed (2.73 with a T2004R).  At WOT, I'm almost 
down to a 16 second 1/4 mile, so its not muscle-car calibre, but still 
quicker than a lot on the road.

As for top end, it rev's at 3000 to do 120MPH, and it had plenty of 
power left when I buried the needle, so I would guess top end to be 140 +.

>>My next idea is some nitrous, so when you really want power, I can be 
>>right up there.
>>    
>>
>
>Beware of those relatively-weak hollowed main webs.....  ;o(((((((
>
>  
>
Yes, I figure If I keep total HP under 400, I should be OK, especially 
with RPM always under 4000.


>SteveH
>
>  
>
Thanks for the Input !!!!

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 11:47:23 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: 71 TH400 electrical connections??

31 Jul 2004  geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net writes:

> I checked the wiring diagram in the manual and there is a "TRANS 
> CONT.  SPARK SOLENOID" which is connected with a dark green 
> wire. I have no clue what this does. Seems like it is connected to
>  the backup light and neutral safety circuits?

> Can anyone tell me where this green wire goes and what it may do?
> 
> TIA, George
> 71 442 (w/ mystery green wire)
> 71 C/S (no electric tricks on the trans)

Some Olds around 72 had an extra contact (above the kickdown on 
the connector) which was part of emissions equipment.  Something 
about retarding the spark.  

That same position was used to control the converter stator for 
SWitch Pitch transmissions 65-67.    Bruce Roe  

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:37:46 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: EB*Y scammer

Want to contact this scumbag directly?

He's at luvdg@aol.com

It appears he's had more than a couple of dissatisfied customers.  Wonder if 
he's related to the other fellow in Florida that had less than flattering 
remarks regarding Oldsmobiles.......

Take Care,
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 12:37:06 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: Wheel bearing seals

Anyone have a source for wheel bearing seals for a 70 98 with disc brakes?
Need 2 would gladly buy 4-6. Bearings are available but not the seals.

Thanks
Jack

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 12:45:32 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: 71 TH400 electrical connections??

In a message dated 8/1/04 11:34:48 AM Central Daylight Time, bcroe@juno.com 
writes:
- -- Some Olds around 72 had an extra contact (above the kickdown on the 
connector) which was part of emissions equipment.  Something about retarding the 
spark. --

I had this on my 1970 C/S SX -- the power came from the harness to a solenoid 
mounted on the top of the engine (one of two wires) that determined what 
vacuum source fed the distributor.  The other wire from on top of the engine went 
down to the transmission and to this connector -- inside the transmission was 
some sort of switch that grounded that wire in order to actuate the solenoid 
- -- Transmission Controlled Spark.

Hope this helps, Take Care!
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:44:10 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 71 TH400 electrical connections??

At 11:47 AM 8/1/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>Some Olds around 72 had an extra contact (above the kickdown on 
>the connector) which was part of emissions equipment.  Something 
>about retarding the spark.  

Looking at my Motor's Emissions Manual, I find, for '71/'72 Olds with
manual trannies and WITHOUT Air Conditioning, there was apparently an
electrically-controlled vacuum solenoid that interrupted the vacuum to the
distributor's vacuum advance. This solenoid was called the "TCS Solenoid".
It has one spigot on one end that goes to either the carb's ported vacuum
source (far-driver's side on the front of the carb) OR to manifold vacuum.
It looks like maybe the 350 got the manifold vacuum and 455s got the ported
vacuum. Maybe. The other side of the solenoid appears to have had two
spigots; one goes to the distributor vacuum advance and the other looks
like it goes to the top spigot that's in between the secondary barrels (on
a Quadrajet) or the primary barrels of a 2-barrel at the extreme rear of
the carb.

But there's a problem with this scenario: I don't see it shown in the
diagrams with AUTOMATIC trannies. Let's assume that it was there, though,
for at least some applications.

Thinking about this.... if yer at WOT, there will be very little manifold
vacuum to give any distributor timing advance. But there will be lots of
ported vacuum in the carb since that's derived from air flow through the
primary barrels. So I'd guess there would be some vacuum to operate the
vacuum advance even at WOT if the source is the ported spigot on the carb.
Maybe not, though, since with the throttle blades wide open, there would be
very little, if any, differential vacuum between the ports in the barrels
on each side of the throttle blades. So maybe ported vacuum goes away at
WOT; I'll hafta check that sometime. ANYWAY...

My best guess for this green wire is it goes to this TCS Solenoid. It
probably connects to the kickdown switch to allow full vacuum advance when
the throttle is sufficiently-open to allow kickdown. Otherwise, during
cruise, there's no vacuum advance which was one of the techniques they used
back then to limit the generation of NOx.

If the above is correct, then I suspect that 12V was always connected to
one side of this TCS solenoid and the other side was grounded when the
kickdown switch was actuated.

Most applications of the early '70s had the distributor vacuum advance
running through a Thermal Vacuum Switch (TVS). This limited the vacuum
advance to only working when the coolant was hot enough, something over 220
degrees F. This is one of the reasons why these era cars got lousier
performance and gas mileage than the '70s: they had no vacuum advance in
the normal engine rpm range until the engine was really hot. Again, the
purpose of this was to limit the formation of NOx, a major concern of that
era, particularly in Southern California and a few other big cities.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 17:52:36 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 71 TH400 electrical connections??

At 12:45 PM 8/1/2004 EDT, you wrote:
>In a message dated 8/1/04 11:34:48 AM Central Daylight Time, bcroe@juno.com 
>writes:
>-- Some Olds around 72 had an extra contact (above the kickdown on the 
>connector) which was part of emissions equipment.  Something about
retarding the 
>spark. --
>
>I had this on my 1970 C/S SX -- the power came from the harness to a
solenoid 
>mounted on the top of the engine (one of two wires) that determined what 
>vacuum source fed the distributor.  The other wire from on top of the
engine went 
>down to the transmission and to this connector -- inside the transmission
was 
>some sort of switch that grounded that wire in order to actuate the solenoid 
>-- Transmission Controlled Spark.

Yeah, that makes sense in light of what my Motor's Emissions Manual
indicated. You'll need to have the connected, or at least have the
distributor vacuum advance DISconnected, in order to pass an emissions
sniffer test, I bet. Afterward, just hook up the vacuum advance agin.

SteveH

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Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:53:50 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: 71 TH400 electrical connections??

Thanks all for your answers!

I don't have the original distributor any more and likely the other end of 
the green wire is going to the nirvana too. So, disconnected it stays, for 
the next owner to wonder about!

As I said before, there is no second contact on the trans. It's the numbers 
matching trans. I wonder if I may have a manual trans harness or something 
goofy from the factory? I can't imagine that the ceramic electrical feed 
through was changed from two to one contacts ...

I'll button it all back up and report back with my results.

Cheers, George
71 442 (extra wires)
71 C/S ragtop

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 13:59:40 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400

i have seen some correctly built th350  trans last behind  a few bb. 
but i prefer the th400. 
but  i ran a th350 for 3 yrs behind my 455 with no problems 
ron 
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Roe" <bcroe@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:35 PM
Subject: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400


> A 350 has no business behind a big block; its marginal 
> for a 403.  Get a 77 or later THM400 with the short tail, 
> from any Cad or 403 car.  The long tail can be changed
> out, but complete disassembly is required.
> 
> The trans support will need to move back, and the 400 
> needs a larger yoke; the short one will allow the same 
> drive shaft. 
> 
> Bruce Roe
> 
> 30 Jul 2004  "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com> writes:
> > I can pick up a used turbo 400 for a lot less than rebuilding 
> > the turbo 350 for my 69 Cutlass. Since I'm switching the 403 
> > in the car to a 455, is the turbo 400 the better way to go? 
> > (Local wrecker has a good used 1976 turbo
> > 400 out of a wagon)
> > Any comments or experience would be appreciated. Any 
> > alterations required when doing the swap?
> 
> 

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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:04:27 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400

a th400 is not bullit proof ,in most cases you have to  change the drum,add clucth packs and sprag
assemblies. not all th400 are the same internaly. check any sevice manual it list the difference in
the number of  clutch's used per clutch pack.
the valve bodies varry in charistics. i had a th400 out of a caddy that regaurdless of manual gear
selection of first the bitch would shift into second gear at 2500 rpm regaurdless of speed. the
trans  valve body was designed to force shift to prevent engine damage.
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Roe" <bcroe@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, July 31, 2004 11:17 AM
Subject: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400


> There is nothing inherent about a THM400 that uses a
> lot of gas, attribute that to the engines they are bolted
> to.  Most economy relates to the torque converter.  A
> lower stall converter will slip less and waste less gas.
> So a THM400 with a 13" converter can get better mileage
> than a THM350 with a 12".  A Switch Pitch 400 with a
> dual range (performance/economy) converter will
> definitely improve mileage a couple points over a fixed
> compromise converter, and has more performance
> available to boot.
>
> A lockup clutch converter can eliminate these loses, so
> it can make a (rather small) difference.  So can an
> overdrive trans, for the same axle ratio.  To do apples to
> apples, these units should be compared to the modern
> version of the 400, the 4L80E.  However, a Switch Pitch
> can come close to a 4 speed in performance & economy,
> using an appropriate lower number axle raio.  I cruise
> at 60 mph at 2000 rpm, in a 2 ton car capable of 91mph
> in the 1/4 mile with switch pitch and a 2.41 axle.
>
> The 400 IS heavier, about 215 lb complete.  And the
> rotational inertia of the bullet proof internals is more too.
> These factors will only show up racing if you are worried
> about several decimal places, and are really
> unmeasureable for economy.
>
> Bruce (uses only switch pitch 400s) Roe
>
> 31 Jul 2004  "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net> writes:
> > People say, the TH400 eats a lot more gas... how right it is?
> > Matt
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Bruce Roe" <bcroe@juno.com>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 10:35 PM
> > Subject: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400
> >
> >
> > > A 350 has no business behind a big block; its marginal
> > > for a 403.  Get a 77 or later THM400 with the short tail,
> > > from any Cad or 403 car.  The long tail can be changed
> > > out, but complete disassembly is required.
> > >
> > > The trans support will need to move back, and the 400
> > > needs a larger yoke; the short one will allow the same
> > > drive shaft.
> > >
> > > Bruce Roe
>

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