
oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, August 3 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4973



Re: New England Olds show pictures
Correction
Hello List
Re: 307 to 350 swap
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Norwalk Drags.
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Correction
Re: Rebuilding a TH 350 behind a 355
Re: 307 to 350 swap
Re: Norwalk Drags.
t*esting
Re: TH400 filter retaining bolt???
Re: Norwalk Drags.
Re: 307 to 350 swap
RE: more VIN swapping and cop -outs
Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400
Re: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400
MSD Points install/putor went poof
RE: Headers 67 330/Headers by Ed.
307 to 350 swap
Re: New England Olds show pictures
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Norwalk Drags.
Re: MSD Points install/putor went poof
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: MSD Points install/putor went poof

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:01:15 EDT
From: S61starfir@aol.com
Subject: Re: New England Olds show pictures

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In a message dated 8/2/2004 8:16:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  rv@comcast.net 
writes:

I thnk  that Dealership is no longer an Oldsmobile dealer.


   Alderman is no longer an Olds dealer but Schaller isn't either  anymore. 
But they had a bigger area for us to display our cars.
   
 
Everett   OCA# 1961   1961  Starfire

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:29:35 -0400
From: "Brian J Kerr" <bkerr@ecologistics.com>
Subject: Correction

Before I get flooded with corrections, that last post of mine should have
read "....TH 350 behind a 455"

Brian J Kerr
President/Project Manager
Ecologistics Research Services
21599 Cherry Hill Road
Thorndale, Ontario
N0M 2P0

Office -  519 461 1167
Fax -      519 461 1151
Mobile - 519 521 6703

bkerr@ecologistics.com

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:00:07 EDT
From: TJPROD@aol.com
Subject: Hello List

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Just saying hello to all on the list, I joined a few months ago, but  haven't 
had much time. 
 
Trent Joyce
 
1 - 1969 442 Holiday Coupe 455/4spd (play car)
1 - 1969 Cutlass Supreme #'s matching 350ci/310hp/th350 (current  project)
1 - 1969 442 Convertible 455/th400 originally 400/4spd (lots'o'rust, on the  
back burner, need a ton of cash to do this one)
1 - 1969 442 Holiday Coupe (eng gone original th400 tranny and one leg  rear)
 

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 11:03:19 -0400
From: "Bill Reilly" <william.reilly@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 307 to 350 swap

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott White" <scottwhite98@hotmail.com>

> Recap: An 86 Cutlass Supreme with 307  and TH 2004r needs some warming up.
> Cheap '77 350 and TH-350 is now mine.  Gears have begun to turn.
>
> I was debating on wether or not to keep the computer or not.  If I decide
to
> keep the computer, I will need a different intake from an older 307, as
well
> as the ECM from an older 307.  This shouldn't be a problem.
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If you live in an area that requires state emissions test, keep the ECM. It
won't
hinder the 350 that much. Find an aluminum A4 intake from a pre '85 307
and use that on your 350. Keep your current ECM but upgrade the chip.
Try Jet or hyperchip. Keep your original '86 Q-jet, it'll work fine as long
as you
keep the ECM. If you ditch that use the '77 carb as the electronic q-jet
will not
work correctly without the computer.


> The 350 doesn't have stellar performance in the '77 model.  I would like
to
> warm it up some.  Would the 350 benefit from a new mild cam to accentuate
> low-end torque?  Would this warming up jeopardize the frail TH2004r
- -------------------------------------------
The 200 - 4R should be fine behind the 350.


> transmission (which WILL be recieving an external cooler)?  Lastly,
exactly
> how much warming up will the pre-86 ECM handle before going on the fritz?
- ------------------------------------------
As long as you have all your warm up information before you buy the chip,
you will be fine. You will need to tell all that info to the company so they
can
program the chip correctly.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme w/ 455

william.reilly@comcast.net

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:21:18 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 00:58:42 -0400
> From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
> Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

snip

> BTW, your 7" rims are too narrow for those rear tires...

They should work just fine. I had 255-60-15s mounted on 7" rims 
on the rear of my car for many, many years. The tires fit very 
well on the 7" rims, in my opinion. 

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 12:23:47 EDT
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: Norwalk Drags.

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In a message dated 8/2/04 7:15:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, 
wmachine@shubes.net writes:

> How about a 6.5 second '72 Hurst Olds!

For those who were`nt there. This was a cool car,but make no mistake about 
it. This is a chevy powered H/O clone.


Dennis 

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<BR>
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 09:49:39 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

> Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 06:48:12 -0700
> From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
> 
> > Kevin and Eric,
> > What carbs - distributors - advance do you run in your 
> cars? I'm quite happy
> > with my 11mpg in the city but I could have more with pleasure...
> > TIA
> > Matt
> > 81CS 468
> 
> Sorry for the late response, I've been off line for about a week.
> 
> The carb is a 7029251 Jetted to 73 primaries with AX rods, 
> fuel pressure is regulated to 5 lbs.


So which primary metering rods do you use along with the 73 jets? The jet/rod 
combination is what determines the actual orifice opening area, and the 
corresponding fuel flow capability. 

The AX rods mentioned are secondary metering rods.

I.D.
Code	0º	20º	40º	60º	70º	80º	90º	Tip length	GM Part#  
AX	.1339 .1244	.1075	.0807	.0419	.0419	.0397	L         	7033549  

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:34:43 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Correction

Brian,

Please turn off your "reply" feature when sending a message to the Olds
List. Since you get a duplicate return message, the reply feature is not
necessary.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian J Kerr" <bkerr@ecologistics.com>
To: "Olds List" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 6:29 AM
Subject: Correction


> Before I get flooded with corrections, that last post of mine should have
> read "....TH 350 behind a 455"
>
> Brian J Kerr
> President/Project Manager
> Ecologistics Research Services
> 21599 Cherry Hill Road
> Thorndale, Ontario
> N0M 2P0
>
> Office -  519 461 1167
> Fax -      519 461 1151
> Mobile - 519 521 6703
>
> bkerr@ecologistics.com
>
>

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 10:32:40 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Rebuilding a TH 350 behind a 355

Brain,

To pick the correct torque converter, you will need to know exactly what cam
is in the engine, rear gear ratio, car weight, rear tire size, among other
things. Get a copy of the Summer 2004 issue of MUSCLECAR REVIEW and read the
article, "What's Up With Stall?: How to Choose The Right Torque Converter."
That will get you started.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian J Kerr" <bkerr@ecologistics.com>
To: "Olds List" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 5:36 AM
Subject: Rebuilding a TH 350 behind a 355


> The latest thread on transmissions has prompted me to ask my own questions
> of the list.
>
> In my 69 Cutlass Convertible, I have  a 455 block out of a 71 442  with C
> heads. I am unsure of the cam, but believe it to be non stock. I have a
> leaky (original) TH350 in the car, and a local highly regarded mechanic
with
> extensive transmission experience is going to rebuild the transmission for
> me. What torque converter and modifications outside of a standard rebuild
> would be recommended for this transmission?  I forget the gear ratio, but
> the car is best suited for cruising, not racing.
>
> Brian J Kerr
> President/Project Manager
> Ecologistics Research Services
> 21599 Cherry Hill Road
> Thorndale, Ontario
> N0M 2P0
>
> Office -  519 461 1167
> Fax -      519 461 1151
> Mobile - 519 521 6703
>
> bkerr@ecologistics.com
>
>

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:32:05 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 307 to 350 swap

At Monday, 2 August 2004, you wrote:

>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Scott White" <scottwhite98@hotmail.com>
>>Recap: An 86 Cutlass Supreme with 307  and TH 2004r needs 
>>some warming up. Cheap '77 350 and TH-350 is now mine. Gears 
>>have begun to turn.
>>
>>I was debating on wether or not to keep the computer or not. 
>>If I decide to keep the computer, I will need a different 
>>intake from an older 307, as well as the ECM from an older 
>>307.  This shouldn't be a problem.

The system is basically identical from the first one in 1981 through 
the last in 1990. The fuel and spark tables are essentially identical 
between '83 and '88 Cutlii ECMs. There is a bit of difference in 
the tables with the B-body ECMs, especially 1985+.

>Keep your current ECM but upgrade the chip. Try Jet or 
>hyperchip.

Don't even waste your time looking at an aftermarket "chip". All 
they do is shift the spark advance very slightly, about 2 degrees,
not even enough to really notice. There are a lot of other things 
in the tables that they COULD have done but it looks like they never 
even bothered to reverse-engineer the Olds PROMs to see just what 
they did. Keith Miller on the G-body reflector has done a complete 
reverse-engineering job with the 1288330 ECM used on 1988 and up 
307s. A bit of effort was put into examining several earlier ECMs 
and PROMs, including several VIN 9 and aftermarket types.

>If you ditch that use the '77 carb as the electronic q-jet
>will not work correctly without the computer.

Correct; it'll run full-rich, giving you horrendous gas mileage and 
very poor performance at anything under WOT.

>>Would this warming up jeopardize the frail TH2004r
>-------------------------------------------
>The 200 - 4R should be fine behind the 350.

There's nothing "frail" about the 200-4R; after all, it was the standard 
tranny used on turbocharged GNs. Properly built, it'll easily handle 
a GN capable of running 10's.

SteveH



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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 13:34:05 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Norwalk Drags.

At Monday, 2 August 2004, you wrote:

>In a message dated 8/2/04 7:15:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wmachine@shubes.
net writes:
>
>How about a 6.5 second '72 Hurst Olds!
>
>For those who were`nt there. This was a cool car,but make no 
>mistake about it. This is a chevy powered H/O clone.

I thought Norwalk insisted all cars be Olds-powered????

What a pity; imagine what the thing cudda run with true Olds power  ;o)

SteveH



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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 14:38:16 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: t*esting

.... 14h42 LT SCL
Matt

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 15:19:39 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: TH400 filter retaining bolt???

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In a message dated 8/1/2004 3:18:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net writes:

The  filter in the turbo 400 is held in with one bolt. The filter has an  
elongated hole. My bolt, which looks like a factory piece, isn't threaded  
completely to the head, it has an unthreaded section of about 1/16". When  I 
bolt it down, the filter has play and slides on the elongated hole. Is  this 
correct? 


That's the same setup as my Delta with a TH400. Don't know why there is  play 
there, but have never had a problem with it.
 
 
Bruce
75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92  Eldo

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 16:31:37 EDT
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: Norwalk Drags.

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In a message dated 8/2/04 1:39:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, k0xp@dandy.net 
writes:

> >How about a 6.5 second '72 Hurst Olds!
> >
> >For those who were`nt there. This was a cool car,but make no 
> >mistake about it. This is a chevy powered H/O clone.
> 
> I thought Norwalk insisted all cars be Olds-powered????
> 
> What a pity; imagine what the thing cudda run with true Olds power  ;o)
> 
> SteveH

He was only there for exibition,not to race. As much as I hate to say this,if 
it had Olds power,it would`nt have been that fast. :(


Dennis

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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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&gt;For those who were`nt there. This was a cool car,but make no <BR>
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<BR>
I thought Norwalk insisted all cars be Olds-powered????<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
<BR>
SteveH</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 17:58:30 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 307 to 350 swap

From: "SteveH" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> The system is basically identical from the first one in 1981 through
> the last in 1990. The fuel and spark tables are essentially identical
> between '83 and '88 Cutlii ECMs. There is a bit of difference in
> the tables with the B-body ECMs, especially 1985+.

Roller motors have much different vacuum characteristics than the earlier
versions. The 86 ECM will give very poor driveability with a 350. It'll
think you're accelerating or under heavy load all the time. Remember Thomas
Martin's nightmares with his 86 G Body. The 87 442 PROM *might* work better,
but the safest bet is use an 84 or earlier ECM.

drc

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:04:18 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: more VIN swapping and cop -outs

Chris, I'll repeat what I said before:  Originality is a matter of degree.
And *is* important to some people.  Very important.  Okay, it is not
important to you and others here.  That's your opinion, and that's okay for
you.
"Preserving the gene pool" is no more "selfish" than *your* point of view is
"jealous".  There are shoes for both feet.  OCA is supposed to be about the
"preservation of Oldsmobiles" and I still believe in that.  Difficulty and
expense are no reasons to throw in the towel.  There are plenty of
profiteers out there, and they're already exploiting this situation.  And I
for one would like to minimize their impact.  We're not owners, we are
caretakers.  (Most of) these cars will still be here long after we're gone.
If we give a @#*$.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Chris Carson
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 1:01 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: more VIN swapping
>
>
> > Modify the ordinary cars as much as you want, just don't
> pollute the gene
> > pool with fakes so that there's more "rare" cars out there.
>
> Why is there so much infatuation with the rear sheetmetal of the
> car? Why is
> it that a body shell isn't as replacable as an air filter? In the north,
> sheet metal rusts just as an air filter becomes dirty or points wear
> out...just takes a bit longer. Would anyone kill a car because of a bad
> distributor or air filter? I don't think so. Why should the body shell be
> any different? My car wasn't the same after I rebuilt the points...it was
> BETTER.
> A Hurst/Olds is made a Hurst/Olds by all the parts that accompany the
> package. Bitch and moan about originality all you want, but when it comes
> down to it, you're paying for the privilidge to have a dual gate
> shifter and
> the H/O badge on the sail panel. Your comment of "polluting the gene pool"
> really has its roots in selfishness; the more clones out there, the lower
> the value of your car...I speak hypothetically, this seems to be the
> attitude of the general populus. But what about those who do not
> have a 442
> or a H/O? I'd settle for a rebodied (or even....god
> forbid...CLONED!) 442 or
> H/O over a plain-jane Cutlass ANY DAY - so long as it's done well and with
> care. -THAT- is what counts in the classic automobile market.
> My car stopped being original 32 years ago, when the original
> owner changed
> the oil.
> Chris
>
>

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 20:08:57 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400

I never said a THM350 won't last.  I just said it's not nearly as 
strong as a THM400.  Of course some junk yard 400 with 
200,000 miles and seals so old/overheated they won't hold 
pressure might not last as long as a new 350, lets do apples 
to apples.  

When someone comes here and asks this, I pull out a box 
of parts from my transmission rebuilding experiences.  On the 
table go parts from a 400 and a 350.  A clutch plate, clutch pack 
housing, output shaft, reverse band, etc.  It doesn't take an 
engineer to see which is stronger; the difference is dramatic.

Bruce Roe

2 Aug 2004 "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net> writes:
> I will argue that point
> my 1977 supreme with a 468  destroyed 2- th400 transmissions.
> I was in need of the car  and had a th350 that I acquired from a 
> Buick.
> took it to trans shop and 1 weeks later I had  one hard shifting  
> th350. it lived in my car for a
> few yrs, it died due to me loaning car to my sister  and her not 
> noticing trans cooler sprung a leak
> she ran the trans dry. I then went back to the th400. which is a 
> great trans but to say a th350 wont
> last is just false. now if we were talking about the metric 200 and 
> 200r4 I would totally agree.
> I will tell you I do not drive my car normal im on the gas when ever 
> I see the chance,I love to
> chirp or spin the tires between shifts. and raced my 77 just about 
> on a daily basis.
> but in the end it boils down to you're own experience good or bad.
> Ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <bcroe@juno.com>
> Sent: Aug 2, 2004

> > But per the original question, the worst 400 ever built was
> > probably twice as strong as a THM350.

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:46:46 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400

the choice is that of the individual.
i have built  some th350's and th400's both for  all out compitition and street use. with a good
rebuild kit with red or blue clutchs heavier sprags the th350 will last. its not my first choice.
but it can last. thats the bottom line. the transgo shift and trans kits are what i have used. the
crap that jc wittney sells and some discount trans suppliers lacks the qaulity of the clutch's,
thats my observation.  again the th400 is by far my first choice,but to say a th350 wont last is
wrong. it can. thats all i have said
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <bcroe@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 9:08 PM
Subject: Turbo 350 vs Turbo 400


> I never said a THM350 won't last.  I just said it's not nearly as
> strong as a THM400.  Of course some junk yard 400 with
> 200,000 miles and seals so old/overheated they won't hold
> pressure might not last as long as a new 350, lets do apples
> to apples.
>
> When someone comes here and asks this, I pull out a box
> of parts from my transmission rebuilding experiences.  On the
> table go parts from a 400 and a 350.  A clutch plate, clutch pack
> housing, output shaft, reverse band, etc.  It doesn't take an
> engineer to see which is stronger; the difference is dramatic.
>
> Bruce Roe
>
> 2 Aug 2004 "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net> writes:
> > I will argue that point
> > my 1977 supreme with a 468  destroyed 2- th400 transmissions.
> > I was in need of the car  and had a th350 that I acquired from a
> > Buick.
> > took it to trans shop and 1 weeks later I had  one hard shifting
> > th350. it lived in my car for a
> > few yrs, it died due to me loaning car to my sister  and her not
> > noticing trans cooler sprung a leak
> > she ran the trans dry. I then went back to the th400. which is a
> > great trans but to say a th350 wont
> > last is just false. now if we were talking about the metric 200 and
> > 200r4 I would totally agree.
> > I will tell you I do not drive my car normal im on the gas when ever
> > I see the chance,I love to
> > chirp or spin the tires between shifts. and raced my 77 just about
> > on a daily basis.
> > but in the end it boils down to you're own experience good or bad.
> > Ron
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <bcroe@juno.com>
> > Sent: Aug 2, 2004
>
> > > But per the original question, the worst 400 ever built was
> > > probably twice as strong as a THM350.
>

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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:09:22 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: MSD Points install/putor went poof

Hello
Well i am without a comp. again :(...it sucks big time.
No info like for installing MSD ect was avail.
Installed MSD Sat. Raced Sun.
And of course instruction given with new product was small.
I was surprised anything NEW outa a box werked at all :O
Car runs real good(MUCH BETTER IDLE).
Got the blaster coil and the 5a box mounted up front in the cool air.
Why do i remember reading somting bouts setting the points to a very small dwell,,,or was that on a petronics sys install.??
The smokeys can git me now wit there electro cannon :(
The headers are next,,,but i only got 2 hands eh.
15.75 is best time 86mph 4400 pds,
When is Kevin O gonna come out to the strip to see a 58 launch?
We race Aug 7-8.
Tanks fer any points with msd hints.
I might be able to log on at the homestead tomorra.
Good luck!
Randy H.
Maple Ditch B.C.

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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:14:31 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: RE: Headers 67 330/Headers by Ed.

"67Oldz" <67@oldsmobile.net> wrote:

>Please send replies to the below address.
>I am forwarding this to the list.
>
>From: eboodoo [mailto:eboodoo@comcast.net] 
>Sent: Thursday, July 29, 2004 2:05 PM
>To: PartsWanted
>Subject: headers 
>
>
>Need headers for my 67 cutlass, 330 cub. thank you
>
>>>>>>>>>>>
Hello
Try "Headers by Ed"......Make them yerself,Take yer time do a good job :)
Darn this internet cafe sucks ..LOL
Wandy H.
Got some cheese fer me wine?

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 21:10:30 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: 307 to 350 swap

Kevin Wong was quite successful converting a 5.0 CCC system 
to a 455, including passing emissions.  Bruce Roe

2 Aug 2004  "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net> writes:
> From: "SteveH" <k0xp@dandy.net>
> > The system is basically identical from the first one in 1981 
> > through the last in 1990. The fuel and spark tables are 
> > essentially identical between '83 and '88 Cutlii ECMs. 
> > There is a bit of difference in
> > the tables with the B-body ECMs, especially 1985+.
> 
> Roller motors have much different vacuum characteristics than 
> the earlier versions. The 86 ECM will give very poor driveability 
> with a 350.  It'll think you're accelerating or under heavy load all 
> the time. Remember Thomas Martin's nightmares with his 86 
> G Body. The 87 442 PROM *might* work better,
> but the safest bet is use an 84 or earlier ECM.
> 
> drc

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:36:03 -0400
From: "Daniel R. Gerow" <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: Re: New England Olds show pictures

Rob,

Thanks for sharing!  Here's a few more for everyone's enjoyment:

http://megatron.stonehill.edu/images/neoc2004/

If you'd like an un-resized original, shoot me an email.

 ~ Dan

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 Post 4spd
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

- ----- Original Message ----- 
> Good evening folks!
>
> Had a splendid time at the New England Olds show this afternoon.  We had
> sun, we had drizzle, and we had downpours.  I should have brought a change
> of clothes... the sun did come out and stay out eventually.  Had the
> pleasure of seeing Dan G's with his black W31, John P & family, and Bill R
> with his 455 powered 85 Cutlass.  I managed to take some pictures which
are
> available here:
> http://maytag87.dyndns.org:8081/rob/CTOldsShow2004/
>
> Already looking forward to next year!
>
> Enjoy!
> Rob
> Free Olds classifieds and Olds car registry at www.allolds.com

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:51:17 -0400
From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

If the tire fabricant says so... but it must be on the low limit. The
245/60/14s need 7-9" rims, I would say the 8" would be the best, 255s...
hmmm...wider are, right?
Matt

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 12:21 PM
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff


> > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 00:58:42 -0400
> > From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
> > Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
>
> snip
>
> > BTW, your 7" rims are too narrow for those rear tires...
>
> They should work just fine. I had 255-60-15s mounted on 7" rims
> on the rear of my car for many, many years. The tires fit very
> well on the 7" rims, in my opinion.
>
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> Phoenix, AZ

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:04:57 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Norwalk Drags.

> He was only there for exibition,not to race. As much as I hate to say
this,if
> it had Olds power,it would`nt have been that fast. :(


Actually, no. Cube for cube and modification for modification, it would be a
toss-up.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:06:06 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: MSD Points install/putor went poof

> The smokeys can git me now wit there electro cannon :(

LOL

'Fu*#in' RCMP can barely afford the pens they write tickets with. Don't think we need to worry about electro cannons.

> The headers are next,,,but i only got 2 hands eh.

Might be able to help there. I'm hopin' for holidays the last two weeks of the month.

> 15.75 is best time 86mph 4400 pds,
> When is Kevin O gonna come out to the strip to see a 58 launch?
> We race Aug 7-8.

Give me a reminder phone call (I'm livin' my life in a summer-time alcoholic haze, and seem to be forgetful lately) I'll
try to make it out.

Kevin

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 21:56:30 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

> So which primary metering rods do you use along with the 73 jets? The jet/rod
> combination is what determines the actual orifice opening area, and the
> corresponding fuel flow capability.

I never looked at the primary rods. Larger jets were readily available so I just traded up.

I plan on upgrading to the Mr. Gasket composition intake gasket in the next few weeks, as my turkey tray is starting to
leak. I will likely freshen up the carb at the same time. If I do, I'll get back to the list.

Keep in mind that jetting and timing are altitude and fuel based. Regardless of how my combo works for me, it may not be
the right match for you even if our engines our similar in cam, carb, ignition, etc.

Kevin

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:16:13 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

> If the tire fabricant says so... but it must be on the low limit. The
> 245/60/14s need 7-9" rims, I would say the 8" would be the best, 255s...
> hmmm...wider are, right?
> Matt
>

http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/assets/pdf/radial_ta.pdf

Note that 7" is minimum recommended width. I plan on going to 8" or maybe even 9" (eventually ???) but if I never do
it's no big deal. They look good. They help to fill that HUGE rear fenderwell (which still has too much clearance
between the outside of the rim and inside of the fender, in my opinion). And as for the detremental handling of an
oversized tire....puulease......I drive a 69 Cutlass, with an 9 year old and 7 year old usually riding in the back seat
(It's not like I'd be carving 1 G turns even if I could).

Incidentally, largest combo I've seen on this car is a 295 50 on a 10" rim. They fit perfectly with no
interferance......sweet.

Kevin

------------------------------

Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:09:18 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: MSD Points install/putor went poof

Randy,

Still continue to set your points at 30.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <Cutlass7276@netscape.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:09 PM
Subject: MSD Points install/putor went poof


> Hello
> Well i am without a comp. again :(...it sucks big time.
> No info like for installing MSD ect was avail.
> Installed MSD Sat. Raced Sun.
> And of course instruction given with new product was small.
> I was surprised anything NEW outa a box werked at all :O
> Car runs real good(MUCH BETTER IDLE).
> Got the blaster coil and the 5a box mounted up front in the cool air.
> Why do i remember reading somting bouts setting the points to a very small
dwell,,,or was that on a petronics sys install.??
> The smokeys can git me now wit there electro cannon :(
> The headers are next,,,but i only got 2 hands eh.
> 15.75 is best time 86mph 4400 pds,
> When is Kevin O gonna come out to the strip to see a 58 launch?
> We race Aug 7-8.
> Tanks fer any points with msd hints.
> I might be able to log on at the homestead tomorra.
> Good luck!
> Randy H.
> Maple Ditch B.C.
>
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