
oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, July 15 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4951



Re: dist cap placement/phasing?/vac adv.
RE: Bob Anderson
Re: Bob Anderson
Re: Bob Anderson
#6 heads not so rare
Engine ID tricks thru VIN derivative stampings
Re: Transmission crossmember group purchase
RE: out with the old. in with the .... older
"Look, honey, some guys drag home worse cars than I do!"
OT - Denver CO anyone ?
starter part number?
Re: brakes lines: stainless vs oem
Re: dist cap placement/phasing?/vac adv.
Re: dist cap/phasing? K
Re: dist cap placement/phasing?/vac adv.
Re: Engine ID tricks thru VIN derivative stampings
RE: brakes lines: stainless vs oem

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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 02:22:58 -0500
From: Karl Erik Aune <425power@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: dist cap placement/phasing?/vac adv.

Previously, on "This Crazy Ole Hot Rodder".....

<< Take a old cap and drill/melt a hole in the top between #1 post and coil post.
With timing light and eng. on, see if the rotor points to post threw yer new little hole in top of cap. I am guessing the little notch in the cap or dis body/points,variables could be not correct? I got a old cap and believe I will try this tomorrow,,curious. >>

(Ignoring for now that altering an old cap in this manner creates a condition conducive to arcing inside the cap and thereby negating any useful benefits.....)

It does sound interesting until one recalls that it is the ignition at plug #1 that inductively triggers the timing light strobe.

<Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome>
Pig Killer: "Remember! No matter where you go - there you are!"
</Mad Max>

At best, a good check for bent rotor, or a very heavily resistive spark plug wire.

[Pop quiz: How long does a viable plug wire at #1 have to be for spark plug #1 to fire immediately AFTER spark plug #8??  Extra credit: Show statistical proof why the results to the previous question is of interest to a vanishingly small segment of the population.]

So, did I miss something, or can anything useful be learned from Holy Distributor Caps Batman?

"Why yes, old chum. We've traded in the silly turbine car mock-up for a far superior Oldsmobile."

Tune in next week to find out how effective the Apprehender package ~really~ is!

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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 00:29:33 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: RE: Bob Anderson

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Bob Anderson in Tampa area.  I have heard him discussed a few times, and it 
has NEVER been good.  He advertises cars as nice for all the money, and 
they are not.

Joe Varley
      AZ

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<font face="helvetica">Bob Anderson in Tampa area.&nbsp; I have heard him
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Joe Varley<br>
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 04:21:31 EDT
From: WlJam5@aol.com
Subject: Re: Bob Anderson

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hey bob  that 's not surprising! why dont you file a complaint in with the 
STate's attorney generals office the statues protect against that deceptive 
adverstisement.

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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 06:43:06 -0400
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: Bob Anderson

Kurt,
   Bob Anderson is just around the corner from me, I can't really say much
more then he is high on his prices...  I do not have the years he is into,
but have gotten some stuff from him... as I said, he is VERY proud of his
stuff.
john
67 cutlass supreme

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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:07:48 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: #6 heads not so rare

Date: Mon, 12 Jul 2004 13:01:01 -0400
From: Mearl Francis <mearl.francis@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: new find - rare engine

I have a  CS with a 1969 350 Rocket Engine in it now. The heads are
stamped #6. Are these the corect heads? I know they had head work done
before i got the car. Are these heads good/bad??
Thanks
Mearl
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#6 heads typically found on 1970 engines
ck the oil fill tube, see if its number starts with 0 [1970] or 9 [1969].
I have seen atypical factory issue B heads on a 1967 engine and C heads on a 
1966.
Caca occurs.

The 6's are a great SBO head, nothing super-special unless they are factory 
fitted with 2.00 intakes.

PS that's a cast-in ID mark, not "stamped". [I tend to pick nits.]

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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:35:00 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Engine ID tricks thru VIN derivative stampings

George, your 71 455 would be 31R999999, which break down just like I stated
previously, except the R is I'm guessing the Arlington, Texas plant.  And of
course this number tells nothing about what car the engine was put in or the
size of the engine.
Chris
grp442@yahoo.com
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_Sometimes_, the VIN derivative stamp on the block can peg application and 
displacement.
If the engine was a Toro, when VIN's of Toro's STARTED in the 700001 range 
[and other models never got up that high]... then a sufficiently large 
initial digit [of the final 6 VIN sequential] pegs it as Toro, which of 
course only came with 455's... when they were available. Of course, any 
sequential number that is Toro-high better have an M in there too, as Toros 
were made only in Lansing during that time span.

Except the convertible 4-dr Toros. Heh.
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:18:28 -0400
From: Mearl Francis <mearl.francis@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Transmission crossmember group purchase

I would like to get in on that group buy for $93 :)

Mearl

On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 11:32:15 -0400, Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net> wrote:
> I contacted Rick Fisher (Monte group did a group purchase on
> crossmembers from him and gave good reviews) and here is his reply:
> 
> "Hi - yes, I would do a group buy for 5 or more people at $93 ea plus
> shipping or I do offer a discount to $118 for 2 or more.  These can be
> shipped individually but I need zips on each and one person handling the
> list of who's in on the group buy.  Each person can pay individually but
> I usually set a time limit for payment so it doesn't get too confusing.
> Let me know if either scenario works for you.  I'm attaching some pics
> for you of a t350/200 and a t400/200r4. I also make 4l80E, 700r4, 3 spd,
> 4spd and "A" body crossmembers.  I do have a combo deal going with with
> control arms (both upper and lower) and a crossmember for $275.  Thanks
> - Rick"
> 
> I'm definitely in, at that price I may get a T350 and a 200-4R
> crossmember.  Anyway, we have a volunteer to be the point person for the
> group purchase, so if you are interested email :  Spader13@aol.com
> 
> At $93 each, this is a steal!  And the combo package is attractive also....
> 
> Email me directly at ecker567@comcast.net is you want to see the pics
> Rick sent with the above note - they are pretty stout looking units.
> 
> There are also pics on his web site at:
> 
> http://photos.yahoo.com/rhfisher57
> 
> --
> Michael Ecker
> Lehigh Acres, Florida
> ecker567@comcast.net
> 
> 1978 Cutlass Supreme - $500 purchase, being slowly fixed up
>    (in line for V6-to-403 swap soon, and maybe 200-4R and gears...)
> 
> 1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - becoming a circle track car
>    (bought without title, had Certificate of Destruction so can never
>     be re-registered, but will uphold the Oldsmobile name with honor)
> 
>

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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:17:07 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: out with the old. in with the .... older

Oh, Chris, you are making me envious with your progress.  Glad to hear it's 
starting to come together for you.  Soon you will be testing at US41 Dragway 
and using those 4.33's to their fullest.


Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:39:50 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: "Look, honey, some guys drag home worse cars than I do!"

In case you are new to the list, or might have missed this gem:

http://442.com/parts/wittpartscar.gif

And, to think, the comment of the owner's wife when the 1966 442 [which we 
just finished, a different car] arrived was "You guys got screwed!"

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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:07:40 -0400
From: "Eric J McTague" <oldsluvr@comcast.net>
Subject: OT - Denver CO anyone ?

Anyone in the Denver CO area that might be able to spare a little bit of
their time ?.

Hit me OFF-list -

oldsluvr@comcast.net.

TIA

Eric

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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:19:36 -0500
From: "JBS" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: starter part number?

Anyone know what part number I need to replace the starter in my 71 Rocket
350? I'm going with an AC Delco starter.

Thanks

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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:04:24 EDT
From: Rcktpwr2@aol.com
Subject: Re: brakes lines: stainless vs oem

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In a message dated 6/17/2004 10:13:43 AM Eastern Standard Time,  
grp442@yahoo.com writes:

for  those that remember the article in Muscle Car Review several  years back 
on the correct colors of a restored chassis.  They used a  66 442 to show 
what was what.  The guy who did that owns the  restoration shop.


 I have that issue somewhere, remember what year/month it was?
 
  Bernie NJ

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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 16:15:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Fellman <frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: dist cap placement/phasing?/vac adv.

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Karl!  Where ya been, sir?  Haven't seen your name here in quite a while!  How's
everything in the Chicagoland area (or is my memory letting me down?)?  We 
assume [cautiously] that SOM is more-or-less intact and functioning...?
 
                 ttyl...                     Phantom455
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Karl Erik Aune <425power@ameritech.net> wrote:
<snip>
Tune in next week to find out how effective the Apprehender package ~really~ is!



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<DIV>Karl!&nbsp; Where ya been, sir?&nbsp; Haven't seen <EM>your</EM> name here in quite a while!&nbsp; How's</DIV>
<DIV>everything in the Chicagoland area (or is my memory letting me down?)?&nbsp; We </DIV>
<DIV>assume [cautiously] that <EM>SOM</EM> is more-or-less intact and functioning...?</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ttyl...&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phantom455</DIV>
<DIV>=========================================================<BR><BR><B><I>Karl Erik Aune &lt;425power@ameritech.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<DIV>&lt;snip&gt;<BR>Tune in next week to find out how effective the Apprehender package ~really~ is!<BR><BR></DIV>
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:55:58 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: Re: dist cap/phasing? K

Karl Erik Aune <425power@ameritech.net> wrote:

>Previously, on "This Crazy Ole Hot Rodder".....
>Tune in next week to find out how effective the Apprehender package ~really~ is!
>>>>>>>>>>>
Hello
Well ya had me fer a second,i said to self...self"who the H*ll is this!"
Like so many years ago when i joined this list K mans posts sorta stick out REAL far :)!
It took me a second to read the post 2-3 times then finally the head got screwed on and looked up to see the name.
Welcome back Karl,it took ya a few years to return but i am happy to see you here,,i only hope we can entertain you enough for you to hang around a bit eh :)
And yes i will get a clear dis. cap to test this new Galactic process tomorrow is payday(To lazy after slavery today to buy one on credit).
Randy H.
Maple Ditch B.C.
 http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1085266299087_Untitled4.jpg 
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1087529446387_Untitled5.jpg
http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1084780023456_Untitled3.jpg
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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 19:41:51 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Re: dist cap placement/phasing?/vac adv.

Actually, the plug triggering the timing light is whichever wire you hook 
it up to.

99.5% will use #1... but there's always that off chance.......

M


At 02:22 AM 7/14/2004 -0500, Karl Aune wrote:

>It does sound interesting until one recalls that it is the ignition at 
>plug #1 that inductively triggers the timing light strobe.

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:06:40 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Engine ID tricks thru VIN derivative stampings

>George, your 71 455 would be 31R999999, which break down just like I stated
>previously, except the R is I'm guessing the Arlington, Texas plant.  And of
>course this number tells nothing about what car the engine was put in or the
>size of the engine.

It starts with 1R, here you go 
http://www.geocities.com/aigel.geo/vinlocation.jpg

An of course it doesn't tell you what engine size it is, that's what the 
casting numbers are for. So, all that is left open, on a 455 is the vehicle 
that it came in. That's pretty darn close, if you ask me, for an ID off a 
simple stamping and casting.

Cheers, George

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Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 08:00:16 -0400
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: brakes lines: stainless vs oem

Reviving the topic of stainless vs. OEM brake lines...

Met one of the owners of Inline Tube at a Motor City Rockets event/meeting
last weekend.  Really nice guy.  Went to visit him yesterday (shop is only
about 15 miles from my house) and got into the stainless vs. OEM discussion.

He has a multiple award winning blue '71 W-30 that was featured in Hemmings
Muscle Car magazine a few months back.  He decided to go with stainless even
though the car has never even been wet in 5 years.  His reasoning was that
if you ever need to clean the OEM lines, you are basically rub any coating
off of the lines exposing bare metal and opening up the opportunity for
rust.

For my car, I got the stainless and besides they were only $20 more.  Very
nice quality.  Ends are not stainless.  I'll update the list with how they
fit soon.

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI
[69 Cutlass S Convertible]

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