
oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, August 4 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4975



65 "club coupe"
Re: New England Olds show pix
RE: more VIN swapping and cop -outs
OT: AC dryer rejuvination
Re: 65 "club coupe"
Re: AC dryer rejuvination
RE: Olds still for sale $3k
Re: Olds still for sale $3k
RE:  Exhaust manifold paint
307 to 350 swap
Re: 65 "club coupe"
Re: New England Olds show pix
Re: 65 "club coupe"
RE: 65 "club coupe"
[Fwd: 63 Olds AC vacuum lines] (fwd)
Re: 307 to 350 swap
Re: New England Olds show pix
Re: Olds still for sale $3k
Freeing pitman arm?
engine knock
Re: Freeing pitman arm?
Re: engine knock
Re: Olds still for sale $3k
Re: 307 to 350 swap
Re: 307 to 350 swap
up for grabs- 73-77 3.23 posi, runner 455
Brake booster
RE: Brake booster
RE: more VIN swapping and cop -outs
Re: OT: AC dryer rejuvination
RE: 65 "club coupe"
Vista Cruiser Front Suspension Questions
Re: Freeing pitman arm?
Re: Vista Cruiser Front Suspension Questions

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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 19:33:00 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: 65 "club coupe"

What's a club coupe? Same as the sports coupe later? A B pillar car?

TIA, George

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:36:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: New England Olds show pix

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Bronze upper alt'r bracket? Manual brakes on a non-W car?
http://megatron.stonehill.edu/images/neoc2004/DSC00651.jpg

I'd like a bigger better version of the red convert 68 photo I guess.
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Chris Witt
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whats with the 69-72 GTO/LeMans plastic cowl grills?
and where is the cowl weatherstripping?
 
Chris
grp442@yahoo.com

 

		
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<DIV>Bronze upper alt'r bracket? Manual brakes on a non-W car?<BR><A href="http://megatron.stonehill.edu/images/neoc2004/DSC00651.jpg" target=_blank><FONT color=#003399>http://megatron.stonehill.edu/images/neoc2004/DSC00651.jpg</FONT></A><BR><BR>I'd like a bigger better version of the red convert 68 photo I guess.<BR>- ----------------------<BR>Chris Witt<BR>===============================================</DIV>
<DIV>whats with the 69-72 GTO/LeMans plastic cowl grills?</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 19:37:12 -0700
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: RE: more VIN swapping and cop -outs

I don't post much, but I wanted to put my $0.02 into the fray on this.

The '65 442 that I have been restoring was in a horrible wreck about 20
years ago. Back in the day, my Dad had purchased 1/4 of a donor car to
replace the wrecked read quarter panel. 

As we all know with bodywork costs these days, I was seriously considering
buying a donor '65 Cutlass and replacing the body instead of repairing the
original. I could have put the body on the 442 frame, put the original 442
front fenders, all the interior bits, VIN and trim tag, etc., on the new
body. Would have saved me money, time, and probably be structurally perfect.

As it turns out, I had the damage fixed, mostly because I didn't have room
for another parts car. 

IMHO, the nature of most restorations means that some parts are going to be
replaced. Do I think I have an original, one-owner 442? Sure I do. Would I
advertise it as such if I were selling? Sure I would. Would I disclose all
the work? Absolutely. 

But at what point is the car no longer *original*? Changing out a body is
subjective, and as was said in another post, really depends on intent. My
car doesn't have the original hood because that was rusted out. It doesn't
have the original rear quarter panel because that was wrecked. Rear bumper
isn't original, either. None of the interior is original because it was all
shot and replaced. Is it still an original 442? *I* believe so.

So, which solution was better? Assuming you were a potential buyer for this
car, would you rather know the body was repaired or was replaced? 

Personally, I think replacing the outer body and swapping VIN's isn't a
problem if it's done to preserve a good car and it's disclosed. I can
absolutely see a scenario where the outer shell of a car is damaged beyond
repair and a body swap is a more financially and structurally sound decision
than fixing the damage. As long as all the parts that make it a 442 are all
there, it's still an original car. 

Anyway, that's just my opinion.

Albert

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:45:54 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: OT: AC dryer rejuvination

Apologies for the cross posting, but I know I read on one of the many 
lists that I get something about rejuvenating an AC dryer by baking the 
moisture out of it in an oven. I can't seem to find that message in my 
archives, or even remember *which* list it was from.
Any opinions on the subject? I could easily buy one, but if it's not 
necessary...


Kevin Wright                           krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX              
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/cars.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

A pile of first-gen RX-7s and a '70 Cutlass Sports Coupe

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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 23:10:23 -0400
From: Gene Gatti <64f-85@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 65 "club coupe"

Hi George,
     As far as I know the club coupe is a post car without trim around 
the windows whereas a sport coupe has trim around the windows.
Gene

geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net wrote:

> What's a club coupe? Same as the sports coupe later? A B pillar car?
>
> TIA, George
>
>

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:22:12 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: AC dryer rejuvination

nitrogen works  as well
Ron
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To: <jyturbo@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; "fb list sa22c" <list@sa22c.org>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 10:45 PM
Subject: OT: AC dryer rejuvination


> Apologies for the cross posting, but I know I read on one of the many 
> lists that I get something about rejuvenating an AC dryer by baking the 
> moisture out of it in an oven. I can't seem to find that message in my 
> archives, or even remember *which* list it was from.
> Any opinions on the subject? I could easily buy one, but if it's not 
> necessary...
> 
> 
> Kevin Wright                           krwright@sbcglobal.net
> Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX              
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/cars.html
> 
> '71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
> http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html
> 
> A pile of first-gen RX-7s and a '70 Cutlass Sports Coupe
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 00:08:05 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Olds still for sale $3k

Staten Island? Heck no. I'm in Brooklyn.

John Nasta


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From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Joe Vahabzadeh
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 9:20 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Olds still for sale $3k

At 05:41 PM 08/03/2004 -0500, Bruce wrote:
>The car is located where?   Bruce
>

IIRC he's in Staten Island.

>3 Aug 2004  "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com> writes:
<snip>
http://johnnnasta.com/6898
http://johnnasta.com/6898/morepix

That first link should be corrected to http://johnnasta.com/6898

By the way, I really REALLY at this point wish I had a real job....

        - Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 00:27:42 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds still for sale $3k

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In a message dated 8/4/2004 12:12:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
email@johnnasta.com writes:
Staten Island? Heck no. I'm in Brooklyn.
Hey John.

You sound a bit "defensive"    and I cannot say I blame you one bit!

;)

Vinny    Born in  West Flatbush (Kennsington)

68 H/O

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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:42:39 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: RE:  Exhaust manifold paint

I have used Eastwood high temp exhaust manifold paint for years, cast gray 
color.  Works great and lasts for at least 3 years in my experiences on 
"weekend" cars.  It also works great on master cylinders, gives them a 
"natural" look--right color, no sheen cast gray.

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:33:11 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: 307 to 350 swap

I long ago concluded its far quicker and cheaper to swap 
the whole axle, than to change gears.  I don't even need 
to mess with the brakes.  I hang the backing plate with 
brakes still hooked up from a wire, also unbolt the brake 
line and T from the axle.  Drop the axle, push the new 
one up, bolt up, and re attach the brakes.    Bruce Roe

4 Aug 2004  Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net> writes:

> In any case, you'd be better off buying a new ring/pinion set 
> since the old set would have to be completely set up unless 
> you swap the whole rear end.

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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 22:18:21 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: 65 "club coupe"

This one has trim, plenty of it. ;) Maybe it was added later?

George

At 11:10 PM 8/3/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi George,
>     As far as I know the club coupe is a post car without trim around the 
> windows whereas a sport coupe has trim around the windows.
>Gene
>
>geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
>>What's a club coupe? Same as the sports coupe later? A B pillar car?
>>
>>TIA, George
>>

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 22:59:41 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: New England Olds show pix

He painted his alternator bracket engine color instead of black.

Yes, manual brakes were available, including manual disc brakes. Thunder
uses a manual disc brake dual master cylinder from a '70 Chevy Impala.

The valve covers have long studs instead of bolts.

The intake bolts are 12-point head aircraft style bolts.

The car has a very clean, bare bones engine compartment.

He left off the cowl weatherstripping, just like I do. So I'm bad.

"whats with the 69-72 GTO/LeMans plastic cowl grills?" I'm not familiar
with.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


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From: "chris smetana" <grp442@yahoo.com>
To: "oldslist" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: New England Olds show pix


> Bronze upper alt'r bracket? Manual brakes on a non-W car?
> http://megatron.stonehill.edu/images/neoc2004/DSC00651.jpg
>
> I'd like a bigger better version of the red convert 68 photo I guess.
> - ----------------------
> Chris Witt
> ===============================================
> whats with the 69-72 GTO/LeMans plastic cowl grills?
> and where is the cowl weatherstripping?
>
> Chris
> grp442@yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 23:04:05 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 65 "club coupe"

> Hi George,
>      As far as I know the club coupe is a post car without trim around
> the windows whereas a sport coupe has trim around the windows.
> Gene


Yup, just like a standard 4-door sedan has no moulding around the posts and
a Deluxe 4-door sedan does has moulding around the posts. At least that's
the way '64s and '65s worked, for both 2-door posts and 4-door posts.

That post trim wasn't added later, it was installed on the assembly line as
per the build order.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


>
> geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net wrote:
>
> > What's a club coupe? Same as the sports coupe later? A B pillar car?
> >
> > TIA, George
> >
> >
>

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 06:12:57 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: 65 "club coupe"

More specifically, the Club Coupe is an F-85 model with less features than
the Sport Coupe which is a Cutlass model.  Window trim optional on CC and
standard on SC.  SC has carpeting, CC, vinyl.  Etc.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
> Systems, Inc.
> Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 1:04 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 65 "club coupe"
>
>
> > Hi George,
> >      As far as I know the club coupe is a post car without trim around
> > the windows whereas a sport coupe has trim around the windows.
> > Gene
>
>
> Yup, just like a standard 4-door sedan has no moulding around the
> posts and
> a Deluxe 4-door sedan does has moulding around the posts. At least that's
> the way '64s and '65s worked, for both 2-door posts and 4-door posts.
>
> That post trim wasn't added later, it was installed on the
> assembly line as
> per the build order.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
> >
> > geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net wrote:
> >
> > > What's a club coupe? Same as the sports coupe later? A B pillar car?
> > >
> > > TIA, George
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 08:12:39 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: [Fwd: 63 Olds AC vacuum lines] (fwd)

This came via my brother who is on the Corvair list. Respond to
jlwitte@wittelaw.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Subject: <VV> 63 Olds AC vacuum lines NO CORVAIR
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:30:00 -0400
From: "Joy L. Witte" <jlwitte@wittelaw.com>
To: <virtualvairs@corvair.org>

Sorry for the off topic post, but does anyone out there have a schematic
showing how the vacuum lines hook up to the left side of the AC
controller
head in a '63 Old 98?  I think the '64 would be similar.  Just to be
clear,
there is a valve body on the left side of the control unit and about
seven
vacuum lines plug into it.  They are color coded, but I don't know which
line goes to which port and they have been randomized.  We won't say who
did
it.

Please reply to ncwitte@wittelaw.com

Thanks!

Norm Witte
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 07:11:59 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: 307 to 350 swap

I am left with two decisions: To cam or not to cam  and new differential or
not?
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Dunno squat about cams. I'm curious as well, since my Delta needs the low
end only.

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I am aware of only two differential gear ratios for
G-bodys; my 2.56 and the 442's 3.73....is there something in between I can
try to find?
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Remember that with the 200-R4 overdrive 2.56 is gonna be 100 mph gears.
2.73, 3.08, 3.42 (I think) and 3.73 are out there.

drc

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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 07:43:02 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: New England Olds show pix

I keep seeing resto houses selling those plastic grilles and claiming they 
are for all A bodies.  NOT!!!
They are not for all A bodies and many unsuspecting folks don't know that.  
Olds used the square mesh screen during that era.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser





>
>"whats with the 69-72 GTO/LeMans plastic cowl grills?" I'm not familiar
>with.
>

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 10:22:25 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds still for sale $3k

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In a message dated 8/4/2004 12:30:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
HURSTOLDZ@aol.com writes:

Staten Island? Heck no. I'm in  Brooklyn


I'm originally from Brooklyn. Staten Island is where we dumped bodies. That  
still the case?
 
 
Bruce
75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92  Eldo

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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 08:16:11 -0700
From: Greg Tjosvold <tjosvold@polar7.com>
Subject: Freeing pitman arm?

Does anyone know the magic to removing the pitman arm from the steering 
crossmember(?) on a 58 Olds? We have the steering box undone from the 
chassis, but are having trouble getting the ball end out.

Sincerely,

Nanook

http://www.car-diaries.com/ 

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 11:56:25 -0400
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: engine knock

ok gang,
  I have a question,   I have a rebuilt 72 350 with a 330 crank and 7a
heads.
I asked for a RV cam, I put in a new HEI from summit, I have had both big
and small block olds for more years then I care to remember.. this small
block does not have the power that I think it should have, I can advance the
HEI as far as I want and can get no engine knock, I can even run this on 89
oct and still no knock. This motor was rebuilt and sat for 14 or 15 years
before I got it. I have no real way of knowing if they did put the cam in
that I asked for, but even with out an RV cam I would think I should be able
to get this motor to knock... and have more power then she does...  any help
would be great
john
67 cutlass supreme

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:37:11 EDT
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Freeing pitman arm?

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I'm assuming you do not have, and so you do need a Pitman Arm "pickle fork" 
remover. If you use reasonable care, you won't destroy any components; but I'm 
assuming that you are rebuilding/replacing those anyway. You can get that tool 
at any parts store.

                                                        Ron Forsee
                                                        65-442 Original Owner

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 12:39:05 EDT
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: engine knock

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Yo John!
       What's the compression look like?
                                                        Ron Forsee
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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:04:40 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Olds still for sale $3k

At 10:22 AM 08/04/2004 EDT, you wrote:
> Staten Island? Heck no. I'm in  Brooklyn
>  I'm originally from Brooklyn. Staten Island is where we dumped bodies.
>That  still the case?     Bruce

D'oh!  Probably.  Gotta remember that I'm from Jersey... but yeah, they
didn't name that dump in Staten Island along route 440 "Fresh Kills" for
nothing!  :)

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:10:39 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: 307 to 350 swap

At 07:11 AM 08/04/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>I am left with two decisions: To cam or not to cam  and new differential or
>not?

I'd say go with a new cam.  Cam design and technology have come a long way
since the early 1970s.  You can keep it mild, and still get both better
power and fuel economy together.

>--------------------
>I am aware of only two differential gear ratios for
>G-bodys; my 2.56 and the 442's 3.73....is there something in between I can
>try to find?
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>
>Remember that with the 200-R4 overdrive 2.56 is gonna be 100 mph gears.
>2.73, 3.08, 3.42 (I think) and 3.73 are out there.

I think 3.23s are also available.  I understand that some of the A/G body
wagons typically had better gear ratios, but don't quote me on that.

But, the 350 will be torquier.  I'd say if you can find them, go at least
3.08, which will effectively be 2.06 in overdrive.  3.42 would put you
around 2.29 overall in overdrive (approx 1800 RPM at 60).  If you're going
with bigger than stock size tires, where your overall wheel height will be
greater, then you can even go for 3.73s.  Puts you around 2.48 or so in
overdrive (approx 2000 RPM at 60 MPH), but the larger wheels will cause
that number to be effectively smaller.

Those RPM numbers assume lockup.  Without lockup, you'll get slippage,
higher RPMs, lower MPG, and higher tranny fluid temps.

	- Joe "Yeah, I'm a number-cruncher" Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 13:27:11 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: 307 to 350 swap

> I am aware of only two differential gear ratios for
> G-bodys; my 2.56 and the 442's 3.73....is there something in between I can
> try to find?
There's a myriad of gears out there to choose from for your G-body. If you
are willing to do a ring & pinion swap, S-10s through 1987 had the correct
7.5" 26(?) spline axle, and commonly came with 3.42, 3.73 and 4.10 gears.
The Camaro had a slightly stronger 7.625" axle, and will drop into your
housing with a complete carrier and R&P swap. You can get these in 2.73,
3.42, 3.73 as well.
Later 200-4r cars came equipped with 3.08 gears in some cases, though the
most common ones were 2.41 and 2.56. G-wagons had 3.08 and 3.23, I think 84
was the last year though, you may be able to find one with OD which tend to
have better gears.
And, if you feel like lightening your wallet a ton, you can get a complete
axle from a Grand National or a 442, 3.42 and 3.73, respectively.

Chris

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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 13:56:51 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: up for grabs- 73-77 3.23 posi, runner 455

Just in
73-77 VF code 3.23 posi 65.8" drum to drum, seeking $400, no ship
Stabilizer bar, rear, 73-77 version, $50
Chevy 4x4 axles, Front and Rear, 3.42 ratio, front axle is straight 
[pre-88?]
   $300/pr, no ship, they are BEASTLY HEAVY. You pick up.

Tilt column, floor shift version, '69-72, black, needs repaint $100
Buick 3-spoke SS spoke sport wheel and hub, rim rubber is quite poor, needs 
refurbish.
   $100, will sell separately.

Running 455 short block for AT use $300, does not need rebuild just yet.
Can supply your choice of heads for it too. VERY nice Ga's on hand, core BV 
B's, BV C's, etc.

Convertible top mechanism from the 1966 442 still available. Inquire.
- ----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

_________________________________________________________________
Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! 
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:32:44 -0400
From: "Chris Urban" <urbanch@ca.inter.net>
Subject: Brake booster

Has anyone here retrofitted a smaller brake booster to their A- body? If so
what did you have to do to make the change? Are there any direct bolt on
swaps available from say a later model vehicle?

Chris Urban 

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 15:49:00 -0400 
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: RE: Brake booster

Hi Chris,

I have not done this yet, but am interested in it as well.  I have seen a
number of A-Bodies with power brake boosters and master cyls out of early
90s Chebby S-10s.  Not sure what was required to make said equipment fit,
but it looked damn nice with the updated booster & master.  That being said,
a few companies (Master Power Brakes being one of them: www.mpbrakes.com)
make factory style boosters in smaller form factors.  MP Brakes lists an 11"
reproduction model, 9" slimline, and 8" & 7" dual diaphragm units (to clear
tall valve covers).  These are ALL direct swaps using the factory firewall
bolts/location with no modifications necessary.  Each unit is for a specific
application (drum/drum, disc/drum, etc.) and each requires a specific amount
of available vacuum, of course.  Hopefully, one of those may work for your
application!

 ~ Dan

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Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
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From: Chris Urban [mailto:urbanch@ca.inter.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 3:33 PM
To: Oldsmobile
Subject: Brake booster


Has anyone here retrofitted a smaller brake booster to their A- body? If so
what did you have to do to make the change? Are there any direct bolt on
swaps available from say a later model vehicle?

Chris Urban 

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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 20:20:32 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: RE: more VIN swapping and cop -outs

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> I can absolutely see a scenario where the outer shell of > a car is damaged beyond repair and a body swap is a 
> more financially and structurally sound decision than
> fixing the damage.
Do you know there was a time, many years ago, when you could order entire body shells through the dealership parts department?
I remember reading about a '54 Olds which was rolled when it was relatively new and the insurance company ordered a replacement shell.  Problem was, the shell that came was for a '55, probably because '54s were no longer available.
So they put all the '55 moldings on it.  It has since been turned into a mild custom.  Was in the hands of the original owner's widow as of a couple of years ago.
Wonder what they did, way back then, about the vin and body tags?  If the right '54 body had come - now, 50 years later, would we know the body had been switched?  Probably not.  And would we consider this car to be original or not?
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<P>&gt; I can absolutely see a scenario where the outer shell of &gt; a car is damaged beyond repair and a body swap is a <BR>&gt; more financially and structurally sound decision than<BR>&gt;&nbsp;fixing the damage.</P>
<P>Do you know there was a time, many years ago, when you could order entire body shells through the dealership parts department?</P>
<P>I remember reading about a '54 Olds which was rolled when it was relatively new and the insurance company ordered a replacement shell.&nbsp; Problem was, the shell that came was for a '55, probably because '54s were no longer available.</P>
<P>So they put all the '55 moldings on it.&nbsp; It has since been turned into a mild custom.&nbsp; Was in the hands of the original owner's widow as of a couple of years ago.</P>
<P>Wonder what they did, way back then, about the vin and body tags?&nbsp; If the right '54 body had come -&nbsp;now, 50 years later, would we know the body had been switched?&nbsp; Probably not.&nbsp; And would we consider this car to be original or not?</P>
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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 20:23:17 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: OT: AC dryer rejuvination

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> I read on one of the many lists that I get something 
> about rejuvenating an AC dryer by baking the moisture 
> out of it in an oven.
What?  I've never heard of that.  Not to say that it's not done.  But these things are so inexpensive, why would you want to?  I just bought a Delco dryer for $30 (OK, at dealership cost).
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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 20:27:01 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: RE: 65 "club coupe"

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In addition to what's already been mentioned.  I'm thinking maybe the club coupe came with a standard bench seat and the sports coupe came with standard buckets?
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<P>In addition to what's already been mentioned.&nbsp; I'm thinking maybe the club coupe came with a standard bench seat and the sports coupe came with standard buckets?</P>
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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:22:26 EDT
From: Gajs1410@aol.com
Subject: Vista Cruiser Front Suspension Questions

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Hi all,

I have a '72 Vista Cruiser and am planning front end overhaul.  Will the 
front end components (ball joints, control arm bushings, etc)  be the same as on 
the Cutlass?  Also, the car is garaged about an hour from where I am now.  Is 
there a way to tell whether I have oval or round control arm bushings by the 
year/model/etc or do I have to physically look at them?

Thanks in Advance,  Steve K.

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Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 15:32:02 -0700
From: Greg Tjosvold <tjosvold@polar7.com>
Subject: Re: Freeing pitman arm?

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>  you do need a Pitman Arm "pickle fork" remover.

Sorry for the dumb question, but assuming I get one, how is it used?

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Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:59:43 -0400
From: "Daniel R. Gerow" <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: Re: Vista Cruiser Front Suspension Questions

Steve,

>I have a '72 Vista Cruiser and am planning front end overhaul.  Will the
front end components (ball joints, control arm bushings, etc)  be the same
as on the
>Cutlass?

I am no sta-wag expert, but I'm fairly sure all the parts you listed (plus
others) are the same as the Cutlass with the exception of springs and
shocks.

>Is there a way to tell whether I have oval or round control arm bushings by
the year/model/etc or do I have to physically look at them?

Nope, year is irrelevant here (unfortunately).  You must get under the car
and take a look-see.  You don't need to remove the arms to do so, but ya
gotta be there...or send a trustworthy friend! :)

Good luck!

 ~ Dan

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 Post 4spd
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
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