
oldsmobile-digest     Wednesday, August 11 2004     Volume 01 : Number 4984



Tranny pan headache and then miracle shrinking crossmember
Re: Warped Q-jet
1993 F*rd question - sorry
Re: Tranny pan headache and then miracle shrinking crossmember
72 T-Bird
Harmonic Balancer Failure
RE: some things you just can't explain
RE: Sold the Olds at $3k
RE: some things you just can't explain
anybody else selling a 68 98 convertible?
RE: some things you just can't explain
Re: Warped Q-jet
Re: Some Batman car sightings...
Re: Harmonic Balancer Failure
Re: some things you just can't explain
Harmonic Balancer Failure
Re: some things you just can't explain
Re: some things you just can't explain
RE: some things you just can't explain
Car haulers WAS: Sold the Olds at $3k
Re: 1993 F*rd question - sorry
of garage lengths vs car lengths....
Re: of garage lengths vs car lengths....
Re: Harmonic Balancer Failure
dis.cap carbon/tach jumps.
RE: Harmonic Balancer Failure
Harmonic Balancer Failure
RE: dis./tach jumps.msd
Re: Harmonic Balancer Failure

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 00:16:20 -0500
From: "Scott White" <scottwhite98@hotmail.com>
Subject: Tranny pan headache and then miracle shrinking crossmember

Hello all-

Spent some time under the '70 Supreme today, installing a B&M shift kit.  It 
was infinately harder to get the valve body off and back on again than it 
was to actually install the kit.

I was successfull in getting the pan *off* without moving the transmission 
crossmember because I wasn't worried about hurting the gasket.  Putting the 
pan back on had me cursing up a storm.  I relented and undid the 
transmission crossmember bolts and tapped it back a bit with a hammer. Pan 
came up and went in like a champ.  Then, I try to re-attach the crossmember. 
  I tap it back in to place, line up one hole....slide over to the other 
side...what the H*LL?  Both holes are lined up right, but it's like the 
crossmember shrunk about a quarter inch.  I can't get the bolts back in.

Anyone have a clue?

Due to my incredibly deflated pocketbook, how difficult is it to install a 
headliner yourself?

Thanks,

Scott "disobeying the laws of physics" White
93 Cutlass Supreme S (POS driver)
86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (front end hurt)
70 Cutlass Supreme  (crying tears of neglect)
55 Super 88 (Needs work. Volunteers?)

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 01:23:13 -0500
From: Karl Erik Aune <425power@ameritech.net>
Subject: Re: Warped Q-jet

<<  I'd like to know the source for these gaskets. >>

Humm...
I'll have to ask El Presidente himself.

In the mean-time you might try Carbs Unlimited.
1-800-994-CARB  (2272)
http://www.carbs.net/

Dorian told me once that he could get individual gaskets from a local 
branch of theirs.
(the walk-in type, not the Davidian sort)

I beleive Doug Roe mentions in his book that if you put a light coat of 
oil on the sealing surfaces of a carb gasket, it will still seal fine 
and also be less inclined to come apart during a timely dissassembly.
Sort of a MITASWELL for people like me who wouldn't be suprised at all 
to realize that they have parts left over when they are done.

K

"You've a pet halibut?!?!?"
"Yes. I chose him out of thousands. I didn't like the others, they were 
all too flat."

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Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2004 00:14:17 -0500
From: Brian Ammons <b_ammons@mail.utexas.edu>
Subject: 1993 F*rd question - sorry

If you KNOW know, please reply directly to bammonsAToxcomDOTcom as well as
to the list.

1993 F*rd E-250 Econoline van, 4.9L I-6, it's a work truck (I work to buy
Oldsmobiles) and we're being frugal so I'm doing the work.  The temp guage
(a full needle) is not working in the dash, it is pegged on less than zero.
 Turning the ignition to START causes it to go even more to the left, then
when back in RUN it goes back to "regular" less than zero.

WHERE is the sender for this guage?  I got a piece from the store, was
listed as that application, however it only has one pole (whereas all the
OLDS I have had with a guage were a two-wire job).  I took out what I
thought was the correct sender - passenger side of the thermostat housing,
on a big bolt-in assembly - however it is a) a two wire piece, b) broke in
my hand, c) thankfully has the same diam. and pitch as the new single-pole
unit I had, so I was able to seal up the passage again d) jumpering the two
does NOT cause the needle to react and finally e) not having it hooked up
causes the Check Engine light to come on.

I feel very confident that I have disconnected the computer's coolant
sensor, so I'll need to replace it with the correct part as well.  Still
would like to know where the temp sender for the guage in the dash is though.

ALSO...if you just happen to know the "correct" way to get the
reverse-threaded fan clutch off without having a coniption a tip would be
appreciated - I have a "sneaky" way coming for tomorrow but if that doesn't
work I'd just be back here again...

I will always be a subscriber (I see everybody's name go through the filter
every day) but have been tuned out of Olds content of late.  What's the
most recent "weight on the wheels/no weight on the wheels while tightening
the suspension" - type altercation around here these days?

Thanks,

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 01:00:12 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Tranny pan headache and then miracle shrinking crossmember

Scott,

> I relented and undid the
> transmission crossmember bolts and tapped it back a bit with a hammer. Pan
> came up and went in like a champ.  Then, I try to re-attach the
crossmember.
>   I tap it back in to place, line up one hole....slide over to the other
> side...what the H*LL?  Both holes are lined up right, but it's like the
> crossmember shrunk about a quarter inch.  I can't get the bolts back in.


Do you only have one bolt on each end of the crossmember? Shouldn't there be
2 bolts on each end? If there were 2 bolts, one could take a long tapered
punch and shove it in one hole to force alignment of the other hole, while
the bolts were in the opposite side.

You are talking about the crossmember mounting to the frame, not the 2 bolts
for the crossmember to the transmission mount? If so, the transmission mount
is soft and relaxed when you took the weight off of it.

About the transmission pan, that's a classic problem. On a clean pan, use
Permatex Red Hy-Tack contact gasket cement to glue the new pan gasket to the
pan. Then, the gasket won't move when you tilt the pan to slide it into
place around the crossmember to bolt it up to the transmission case.


> Due to my incredibly deflated pocketbook, how difficult is it to install a
> headliner yourself?


Sorry, no clue on that one.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:05:12 -0400
From: Mearl Francis <mearl.francis@gmail.com>
Subject: 72 T-Bird

NON- OLD'S EMAIL
A Buddy of mine sent this to me... I Just wondered if anyone is interested? 
The car is in the Pittsburgh area.
Mearl



This car belongs to a friend of mine here at work.
It was his parent's car.
He's trying to sell it.

- ----- Forwarded by Don W Broskin/Headquarters/USS on 08/09/2004 01:44 PM
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1972 Ford Thunderbird

429 Cubic Inch - Automatic

49,400 original miles

Dark brown metallic with vinyl roof

Air Conditioner - need freon

Power Steering - Power Brakes
INTERIOR IS EXCELLENT
1 inch surface rust on left quarter panel on wheel well &
1/2 inch surface rust on right quarter panel
NO OTHER RUST

Rating by Appraiser:
Very good condition to almost Excellent
$6,500 (will negotiate)

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:16:42 -0400
From: robert.demuth@prudential.com
Subject: Harmonic Balancer Failure

The rubber ring on my harmonic balancer deteriorated, so the outer ring
separated from the inner hub, and it is now rubbing the timing cover.  I
was hearing an odd noise for the last 200 or so miles, only when it was
sputtering at idle (thus hitting very low RPM) when cold ... but I thought
it sounded like the alternator bearings going out.  Welll, last night I
went out to play with the timing, and imagine my surprise.  What are my
options for replacing it, quickly?  It's a '79 350 I rebuilt almost 2 years
ago.  It's been a total b--ch ever since.

Thanks,
Bob DeMuth.
'72 88 conv.
Some other stuff

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 09:24:21 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: some things you just can't explain

Still no bids, gee I wonder why????

I wonder if alcohol was involved at some point in that car's construction.  
If it wasn't, it should have been.



Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser





>From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>To: oldslist <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Subject: some things you just can't explain
>Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2485993674&category=6405
>
>item # 2485993674, since I'm guessing pasting the link didn't work
>
>Chris
>grp442@yahoo.com
>
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:25:19 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Sold the Olds at $3k

Well, the pickup date seems to be an issue. The reason the guy paid for it
right away was because the trucking company told him it would be picked up
tomorrow. Seems he used a broker (Wheels On Wheels) that just farmed the job
out to another company (Willis Transport). Now Willis is saying that they
can't pick it up because they wil already have one "big car" (El Camino) on
the truck and can't fit two. I'm surprised that a car hauling company would
even call an El Camino a big car. I guess they don't usually deal with
classics. I guess this is what happens when you deal with a broker instead
of directly hiring the company that will move the car.

Jack, you will have first right of refusal on the parts since you let me
keep the car at your house. Here is a quick list OTTOMH (this is from my 68
98 convertible):

NOS RH complete door shell in GM box

Pair of fender skirts - were bought NOS, painted, put on a car for about a
week, then the car was hit and the rusted frame broke and the guy decided
not to fix it. These skirts are like new and come with the weatherstrips

Pair of used fender skirts

1 stray used fender skirt (don't remember which side)

3 NOS 15" deluxe wheel covers

1 NOS wheel cover center emblem

2 NOS RH Tail lamp assemblies

a few NOS brushed aluminum pieces for the dash

1 or 2 NOS Cornering lamp lenses

1 NOS "Eight" trunk emblem

1 NOS Center A/C vent

1 pair NOS door edge guards

At least 1 or 2 NOS front bumper fillers (I think more than 2)

Various side body moldings (some VG used, some NOS)

NOS "top of fender" molding (at least 1 side, maybe both sides, not sure)

3 or 4 NOS headlight bezels (or doors as they call them)

LH Front (driver's) window w/ tinted glass

Black dash pad exc. cond. has holes underneath for factory 8-track

2 complete instrument panels (with rebuilt clocks!) at least one is from a
convertible and has the top switch

RH fender exc. cond includes moldings and scripts, and IIRC the extension is
attached

Front bumper VG cond.

Front turn signal inner/outer lenses - not sure how many some NOS or NORS

A few grill sections

I also have a AM/FM Wonderbar from a 1967 88/98

I think I have a NOS set of trunk moldings (seem to remember that)

Trunk pan exc. cond

Fuel tank

Set of 4 SSIV wheels straight and will take a balance, but not restored

Some used rear marker light bezels and possibly lenses

I'm sure there is more but I have to go digging through my basement. This is
all in Brooklyn, NY.

John Nasta


- -----Original Message-----

Congratulations, it's been a long road. When you have a list of stuff and
prices before doing the evil site please do a posting on the list.
Jack

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 10:33:15 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: some things you just can't explain

Someone suggested that he might have built it as an excuse to get away from
his wife. If that's true I'd hate to see what his wife looks like!

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:19:14 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: anybody else selling a 68 98 convertible?

One of the guys who looked at my car (the guy who made me wait 3+ hours for
him) said he loves the car but wants something that is completely rust free.
I told him that in order to find that he should be prepared to spend two to
three times what I was asking for mine at the time (which was $4k). It's
amazing how people want gold for the price of pewter, but if anybody has a
nicer 68 98 convertible for sale, let me know. This guy may be interested.

John Nasta

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 11:32:25 -0400
From: Greg Pruett <gregp@connect-one.com>
Subject: RE: some things you just can't explain

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At 09:24 AM 8/10/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>I wonder if alcohol was involved at some point in that car's construction.
>If it wasn't, it should have been.


...This is your brain on drugs.

With a JC whitney catalouge.

Greg Pruett
72 Vista Cruiser
67 Cutlass Supreme
80 Cutlass Calais
87 Cutlass Supreme 4-door
Roanoke, VA

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:45:14 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Warped Q-jet

> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 21:33:18 -0700
> From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> Subject: Re: Warped Q-jet
>
> Also, TOMCO rebuilt carbs were the
> top-of-the-line back then. Now...I guess times change.

It may be in part due to the availability of cores, which I'm 
sure is very different now than it was 30 years ago. But that's 
really no excuse for letting a carb with a readily visible crack 
in the fuel bowl go out the front door. There's just no excuse 
for that at all. I guess they don't actually have an inspector 
checking the parts to make sure they're suitable for use.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 08:57:34 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Some Batman car sightings...

> From: "Daniel R. Gerow" <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
> To: "Olds List" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 8:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Some Batman car sightings...
> 
> 
> > If anyone cares to check it out:
> > 
> > http://megatron.stonehill.edu/video/batmanbegins_batmobil.mov
> > 
> > Different but very Frank Miller-esque cool.
> > 
> >  ~ Dan

Uh, that overgrown ATV is the new Batmobile? Did you notice how slowly it took the corners, except for that one shot where it was going a bit faster than walking speed and the front wheel came off the ground in the turn? Just like a real ATV. I could probably outmaneuver that thing on my bicycle, so I don't think the Joker, Penguin and Riddler will have anything to worry about. 

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 13:31:18 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Harmonic Balancer Failure

At Tuesday, 10 August 2004, you wrote:

>The rubber ring on my harmonic balancer deteriorated,........
.....
>What are my options for replacing it, quickly?  It's a '79 
>350 I rebuilt almost 2 years ago.  It's been a total b--ch 
>ever since.

GM PN 417142 (IIRC, check it to be certain). Don't ask me why that 
number sticks in my mind  :o)  Was still available from GM last I 
heard a few months back. Sposed to be the same balancer used on at 
least the later 455s, too, not sure about 425s. It's also used on 
the VIN 9 307 engine installed in the '80s H/Os and 442s, which is 
probly the single reason it's still been available recently.

SteveH



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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:46:15 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: some things you just can't explain

Ah, the stick-stuff-on, Bondo school of "customizing."
Looks like something a 12-year-old kitbashed from his spare model  
parts...
Poor abused Cutlass...

krw
On Aug 9, 2004, at 11:06 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
> From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
> Subject: some things you just can't explain
>
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> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? 
> ViewItem&rd=1&item=2485993674&category=6405
>
> item # 2485993674, since I'm guessing pasting the link didn't work
>
> Chris
> grp442@yahoo.com
>
Kevin Wright                           krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX               
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/cars.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans:  
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

A pile of first-gen RX-7s and a '70 Cutlass Sports Coupe

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 16:37:24 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Harmonic Balancer Failure

After getting fed up with harmonic balancers not 
being reliable, I switched over to FluiDampers.  Not 
cheap, but a permanent fix.  Bruce Roe 

10 Aug 2004 SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net> writes:
> At Tuesday, 10 August 2004, you wrote:
> 
> >The rubber ring on my harmonic balancer deteriorated,........
> .....
> >What are my options for replacing it, quickly?  It's a '79 
> >350 I rebuilt almost 2 years ago.  It's been a total b--ch 
> >ever since.
> 
> GM PN 417142 (IIRC, check it to be certain). Don't ask me why that 
> number sticks in my mind  :o)  Was still available from GM last I 
> heard a few months back. Sposed to be the same balancer used on at 
> least the later 455s, too, not sure about 425s. It's also used on 
> the VIN 9 307 engine installed in the '80s H/Os and 442s, which is 
> probly the single reason it's still been available recently.
> 
> SteveH

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:25:20 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: some things you just can't explain

gotta be better looking than that car
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:33 AM
Subject: RE: some things you just can't explain


> Someone suggested that he might have built it as an excuse to get away from
> his wife. If that's true I'd hate to see what his wife looks like!
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:25:54 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: some things you just can't explain

not enough alcohol in the world for me to bid on that thing
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 10:24 AM
Subject: RE: some things you just can't explain


> Still no bids, gee I wonder why????
> 
> I wonder if alcohol was involved at some point in that car's construction.  
> If it wasn't, it should have been.
> 
> 
> 
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2
> 67 Vista Cruiser
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> >To: oldslist <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> >Subject: some things you just can't explain
> >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 08:54:48 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2485993674&category=6405
> >
> >item # 2485993674, since I'm guessing pasting the link didn't work
> >
> >Chris
> >grp442@yahoo.com
> >
> >
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 20:01:45 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: some things you just can't explain

What a waste of a H/O hood.

John 



- -----Original Message-----
 
gotta be better looking than that car
ron

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 19:00:13 -0700
From: Mark Mullins <mark@marineaviation.org>
Subject: Car haulers WAS: Sold the Olds at $3k

My son is going through the same problems with his car haulers.  Some 26 
days after he paid the brokers, his car has yet to be picked up, though 
they've actually showed up to get it twice.  Personally, I think when you 
agree to haul a '66 Caddy halfway across the country, you'd show up with 
the right size trailer.

M

At 10:25 AM 8/10/2004 -0400, John Nasta wrote:
>Well, the pickup date seems to be an issue. The reason the guy paid for it
>right away was because the trucking company told him it would be picked up
>tomorrow. Seems he used a broker (Wheels On Wheels) that just farmed the job
>out to another company (Willis Transport). Now Willis is saying that they
>can't pick it up because they wil already have one "big car" (El Camino) on
>the truck and can't fit two. I'm surprised that a car hauling company would
>even call an El Camino a big car. I guess they don't usually deal with
>classics. I guess this is what happens when you deal with a broker instead
>of directly hiring the company that will move the car.

Mark Mullins
Tucson, Az

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:43:55 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: 1993 F*rd question - sorry

At 12:14 AM 08/09/2004 -0500, Brian wrote:
>If you KNOW know, please reply directly to bammonsAToxcomDOTcom as well as
>to the list.
>
>1993 F*rd E-250 Econoline van, 4.9L I-6, it's a work truck (I work to buy
>Oldsmobiles) and we're being frugal so I'm doing the work.  The temp guage
>(a full needle) is not working in the dash, it is pegged on less than zero.
> Turning the ignition to START causes it to go even more to the left, then
>when back in RUN it goes back to "regular" less than zero.
>
>WHERE is the sender for this guage?  I got a piece from the store, was
>listed as that application, however it only has one pole (whereas all the
>OLDS I have had with a guage were a two-wire job).  I took out what I
>thought was the correct sender - passenger side of the thermostat housing,

According to my supposedly all-knowing computer system at Autozone (which
tends to often say "information not available" at the worst times), the
part is located:

"Front seating area, center, under engine cover, passenger side of intake
manifold, rear of fuel injectors, mounted in block."

At a brief glance, that appears to describe three separate locations.  But
I haven't ever gotten a good look at the I-6 in the Ford vans.  I can only
hope that's *helpful* information.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:33:46 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: of garage lengths vs car lengths....

Yipe.....

Finally, after too much time of the 1972 Olds 98 being parked outside,
getting rained on (almost 2 out of every 3 days it seems!), and developing
more surface rust on its neglected roof, I finally get the garage cleared
up, and pulled the car inside.

One of the front bumper guards is touching the drywall.  The garage door
itself had to be flexed outward slightly on its downward travel so that one
of the garage door's hinges would clear the rear bumper.

I know for a fact that a classic, pre-1977 Caddy is definitely not in my
future.

But, on the off chance I get another vehicle, how does the 1972 98's length
compare to say the same year Delta 88?

How about Impala/Caprice, Bonneville/Catalina, or LeSabre/Electra?  Were
they all exactly the same length bumper to bumper at their longest points?

I'm almost afraid to ask about the 1968-1972 era fullsizers from Ford and
Chrysler might compare.

Now if there were only an economical way to stretch my garage by just a few
inches.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 04:07:08 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: of garage lengths vs car lengths....

At 11:33 PM 8/10/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>But, on the off chance I get another vehicle, how does the 1972 98's 
>length compare to say the same year Delta 88?
>
>How about Impala/Caprice, Bonneville/Catalina, or LeSabre/Electra? 
>Were they all exactly the same length bumper to bumper at their 
>longest points?

Yer best friend fer these kinds of questions would probly be the Standard
Catalog of Oldsmobile.

SteveH

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 21:30:22 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Harmonic Balancer Failure

> >What are my options for replacing it, quickly?

Get a new one at www.gmpartsdirect.com after someone verifies the number 
Steve gave you from the top of his head. ;)

I would not deal with a used one, it's only going to happen to that one too.

George

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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:33:16 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: dis.cap carbon/tach jumps.

6 Aug 2004  Cutlass7276@netscape.net writes:
> Also i remember the dis cap has that carbon tip in it riding 
> on rotor,,how much juice can that little carbon handle?

I wouldn't worry about the carbon tip  

> the tach is goin nuts on the lower rpm when not on the 
> throttle.  The needles jumps around alot until i get approx 
> 1800rpm or so and on the throttle.

I had problems like that with my 79 Cutlass.  The solution 
was a filter cap wired to the 2 battery inputs.  Actually its 
better wired inside my tach, it should have been built 
that way in the first place.  Try something like 250 ufd 
50 volt, and be sure to wire + terminal to battery terminal, 
- - terminal to ground terminal.  Don't know if you have the 
same tach design.  Bruce Roe

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:06:12 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: RE: Harmonic Balancer Failure

Hello
What about those guys called " Damper Dudes"


6180 Parallel Dr. 
Anderson, CA 96007 
1-800-413-2673

 that revulcanizes your stock balancer back to new,,,approx. $80.00 bucks last i heard,,,,i believe "Fusicks" has this service also.
If one was to rebuild his engine and have the new pistons/crank balanced dont they drill holes outa yer balancer side to correct wieght(like on my 58 balancer) if need be,,,would this not make your balancer specific to your motor?
Good luck!
Randy H.
Maple Ridge B.C.

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 00:06:22 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Harmonic Balancer Failure

How do you know the gmparts hasn't been on a shelf 20 
years?  That's why I dispensed with rubber ring dampers.

Bruce Roe

10 Aug 2004  geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net writes:

> > >What are my options for replacing it, quickly?
> 
> Get a new one at www.gmpartsdirect.com 

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 01:14:35 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: RE: dis./tach jumps.msd

Hello
Thanks for everyones input...Steven H. was right IIRC....inbetween rounds last weekend racin i took the tach wire which was running parallel out of the loom with other coil/msd wires,,,it fix it 98%.
Good luck!
Randy H.
Maple Ditch B.C.
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Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 22:21:14 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Harmonic Balancer Failure

>How do you know the gmparts hasn't been on a shelf 20
>years?  That's why I dispensed with rubber ring dampers.

Bruce:

Even if it has been in a shelf for 20 years, it hasn't seen the thermal 
cycling, vibration and the ozone that a part in the car would have seen. It 
will be fine.

George

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