
oldsmobile-digest        Friday, May 28 2004        Volume 01 : Number 4903



Changing the Rear Main Seal
Re: Thinking about selling N98 wheels - want to get an opinion
Original Owner
Re: LIST...
Re: Keys locked in car (sorry, non-Olds)
Re: Original Owner
Re: Keys locked in car (sorry, non-Olds)
Re: Original Owner
Parts Sale
RE: Parts Sale
Changing the Rear Main Seal
RE: Parts Sale
Re: Headers
RE: Parts Sale
Re: Headers
UNBOUNCE: 76 olds cutlass brougham
67 cutlass
RE: Parts Sale
blockages

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:28:39 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Changing the Rear Main Seal

Are you sure it's the real seal? Could be a valve cover gasket or the
rear of the intake. I would check there first.

The rear main seal ia a big job! The problem is you cannot get the oil
pan off unless the engine is lifted about 3 inches. But, the trans has
to be disconnected first......The service manual outlines the procedure.
It's a real PITA to do on your back in the driveway.

In my opinion, it is easier to pull the engine than do the Olds
recommended process. You can mount the engine on a stand, and do a
quality job on the seal and the oil pan gasket.

Then the "might as well" syndrome happens: new motor mounts, cleaning
and painting, etc....

If your engine has a rope seal, then there is a special tool in auto
parts stores to remove the old one and install a new one.

I would go with the NAPA rubber seal. They have specific Olds
applications.

It's a $10 part, but requires about 8 hours of labor or more to fix
it.....

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:06:48 EDT
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Thinking about selling N98 wheels - want to get an opinion

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Yo Al!
       I ordered the N98 option for my 65-442 and it cost $79.00! Quite an 
investment huh?! FYI, it will be no simple matter to rechrome those wheels as 
the welds have to be broken, the wheels rechromed and then re-welded. You miht 
consider that when the haggling begins.
                                                         Ron Forsee
                                                         65-442 Original 
Owner

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=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">Yo Al!<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I ordered the N98 option for my 65-442=20=
and it cost $79.00! Quite an investment huh?! FYI, it will be no simple matt=
er to rechrome those wheels as the welds have to be broken, the wheels rechr=
omed and then re-welded. You miht consider that when the haggling begins.<BR=
>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   =20=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =20=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =20=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   Ron Forsee<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   =20=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =20=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =20=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   65-442 Original Owner</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 10:11:45 EDT
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Original Owner

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Did anyone read that article in last months JWO about the original owner of a 
66-442 being the current "old guy" champ? We all know better than that so I'm 
going to drop them a line with a pic. I seem to remember that Dennis Urban 
bought his 64-442 new. Does anyone know if this is true and does he still own 
it?
                                                     Ron Forsee
                                                     65-442 Temporary Old Guy 
Champ

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t months JWO about the original owner of a 66-442 being the current "old guy=
" champ? We all know better than that so I'm going to drop them a line with=20=
a pic. I seem to remember that Dennis Urban bought his 64-442 new. Does anyo=
ne know if this is true and does he still own it?<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   =20=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =20=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =20=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Ron Forsee<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;   =20=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =20=
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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:47:44 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: LIST...

>>I dont see my mails on this list..?
>
>I do

Well, it's certainly quiet around here at the moment. Today's In box had a 
whopping 12 list messages in it this morning; there's usually a lot more 
Olds traffic than that.

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:49:29 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Keys locked in car (sorry, non-Olds)

>Thanks for the replies - Great ideas that I'll file
>away for future senior-moments.

You're welcome, but don't keep us all in suspenders here: Did you get the 
car open?  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 11:06:31 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Original Owner

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In a message dated 5/27/2004 10:15:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
R4C442@aol.com writes:
I seem to remember that Dennis Urban bought his 64-442 new. Does anyone know 
if this is true and does he still own it?
This is true  and I believe he still owns it

Vinny
68  H/O

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<DIV>In a message dated 5/27/2004 10:15:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, R4C442@=
aol.com writes:</DIV>
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<DIV>This is true&nbsp; and I believe he still owns it</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Vinny</DIV>
<DIV>68&nbsp; H/O</DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 08:51:08 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Keys locked in car (sorry, non-Olds)

 
> You're welcome, but don't keep us all in suspenders
> here: Did you get the 
> car open?  :-)
> 
> -- Andy
> 
Uhh, yeah.  Right after I sent the posting, I was told
that my daughter had an emergency (she's completing
her education and getting her nursing pin tomorrow and
can't miss the last tests) so I called a local
locksmith and gave him $55.  :(  Not how I like to do
things, but had to for the greater good of making one
of my kids self-supporting.  Priceless, as the
mastercard ads say.

Thanks again,
Bill

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 14:24:14 EDT
From: S61starfir@aol.com
Subject: Re: Original Owner

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In a message dated 5/27/2004 10:15:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
R4C442@aol.com writes:

Did anyone read that article in last months JWO about the  original owner of 
a 66-442 being the current "old guy" champ? We all know  better than that so 
I'm going to drop them a line with a pic. I seem to  remember that Dennis Urban 
bought his 64-442 new. Does anyone know if this is  true and does he still 
own  it?
Ron  Forsee
65-442 Temporary Old Guy Champ 
Yes Dennis did buy his new and still owns it, I saw him last at the  100th in 
Lansing in 1997 and he had it there.
Everett  OCA# 1961   1961  Starfire

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 16:18:55 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: Parts Sale

Just a quick FYI,

Old Car Network is having a spring sale with discounts on over 400 items
(while supplies last).

For details, visit: http://www.oldcarnetwork.com/sale.html

Thanks,
John Nasta

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:24:04 -0400
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Parts Sale

Wow John, in less than a hour 3 items I wanted were sold out :-(

Found 4 that were still in stock though!

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Nasta [mailto:email@johnnasta.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 4:19 PM
> To: Olds Mailing List
> Subject: Parts Sale
> 
> 
> Just a quick FYI,
> 
> Old Car Network is having a spring sale with discounts on 
> over 400 items
> (while supplies last).
> 
> For details, visit: http://www.oldcarnetwork.com/sale.html
> 
> Thanks,
> John Nasta
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 17:17:00 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Changing the Rear Main Seal

I also would just pull the engine for the work.  I have pulled many
to clean up leaks, etc, and put them back.  Overhauled very few.  
Making sure of the source of the leak is a good idea.  Bruce Roe

27 May 2004  "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net> writes:
> Are you sure it's the real seal? Could be a valve cover gasket or the
> rear of the intake. I would check there first.
> 
> The rear main seal ia a big job! The problem is you cannot get the 
> oil pan off unless the engine is lifted about 3 inches. But, the trans 
> has to be disconnected first......The service manual outlines the 
> procedure.   It's a real PITA to do on your back in the driveway.
> 
> In my opinion, it is easier to pull the engine than do the Olds
> recommended process. You can mount the engine on a stand, 
> and do a quality job on the seal and the oil pan gasket.
> 
> Then the "might as well" syndrome happens: new motor mounts, 
> cleaning and painting, etc....

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:19:38 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Parts Sale

If that happens, either let me know what you are looking for or try again
the next day. The way the software works is that as soon as somebody puts an
item into their basket, it is marked out of inventory. If they abandon the
basket, it still shows as not available (even though it is) until I delete
expired baskets. I'll be deleting baskets each morning, so stuff might
suddenly show as available again the next day.

Thanks,
John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Tom Bejma
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 5:24 PM
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
Subject: RE: Parts Sale

Wow John, in less than a hour 3 items I wanted were sold out :-(

Found 4 that were still in stock though!

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Nasta [mailto:email@johnnasta.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 4:19 PM
> To: Olds Mailing List
> Subject: Parts Sale
>
>
> Just a quick FYI,
>
> Old Car Network is having a spring sale with discounts on
> over 400 items
> (while supplies last).
>
> For details, visit: http://www.oldcarnetwork.com/sale.html
>
> Thanks,
> John Nasta
>
>
>
>

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 18:28:09 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Headers

any word on bb headers for 73-77
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Mullins" <mark@marineaviation.org>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2004 11:46 PM
Subject: Headers


> 
> Reference only, Kooks now has SB headers for 64-65's
> 
> M
> 
> 
> http://www.realoldspower.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=9384
> 
> 
> Mark Mullins
> Tucson, Az
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 20:27:59 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Parts Sale

Sorry, this is the last time I'll mention it, but I did just set up a
routine to delete expired baskets every 60 minutes. So, if the item you are
looking for shows as being sold out, please check again in an hour or two,
or at your leisure.

Thanks,
John Nasta

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 21:02:37 EDT
From: W451973@aol.com
Subject: Re: Headers

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In a message dated 5/27/04 6:30:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time, 
77w30442@comcast.net writes:

> any word on bb headers for 73-77
> ron

I have a set on the way. I`ll let everyone know how they fit after I get 
them.

Dennis

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:31:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 76 olds cutlass brougham

Not on the list, respond to AngCrensh@aol.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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From:   AngCrensh@aol.com
Subject: 76 olds cutlassbrougham

I purchased a 76 olds cutlass brougham about a year ago. It has a 350 motor 
and automatic transmisson. It also has H/H t-tops And a sticker on the drivers 
door stating it was modified by hurst performance in 1975. The car is white 
with red pin stripes and red interior. It does not have any H/o emblems on the 
car and it never did. Im trying to find out what this car is. Any help would be 
great.            Thanks Shane.  (angcrensh@aol.com)                          

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Date: Thu, 27 May 2004 22:30:41 -0700
From: "67Oldz" <67@oldsmobile.net>
Subject: 67 cutlass

I have not seen my last 3 posts.
What is going on?

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Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 08:18:41 -0400
From: Mearl Francis <Mearl.Francis@TRACO.COM>
Subject: RE: Parts Sale

Good morning..  Does anyone know where I can find a 2" steel cowl induction
hood for a 1986 Cutlass Supreme? 
How do I get to the board your speaking of things for sale? Sorry new here..


- -----Original Message-----
From: John Nasta [mailto:email@johnnasta.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 6:20 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: Parts Sale

If that happens, either let me know what you are looking for or try again
the next day. The way the software works is that as soon as somebody puts an
item into their basket, it is marked out of inventory. If they abandon the
basket, it still shows as not available (even though it is) until I delete
expired baskets. I'll be deleting baskets each morning, so stuff might
suddenly show as available again the next day.

Thanks,
John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Tom Bejma
Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 5:24 PM
To: 'oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca'
Subject: RE: Parts Sale

Wow John, in less than a hour 3 items I wanted were sold out :-(

Found 4 that were still in stock though!

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Nasta [mailto:email@johnnasta.com]
> Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 4:19 PM
> To: Olds Mailing List
> Subject: Parts Sale
>
>
> Just a quick FYI,
>
> Old Car Network is having a spring sale with discounts on
> over 400 items
> (while supplies last).
>
> For details, visit: http://www.oldcarnetwork.com/sale.html
>
> Thanks,
> John Nasta
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 28 May 2004 06:48:13 -0700
From: "67Oldz" <67@oldsmobile.net>
Subject: blockages

Is there a list of filters we can look at so that we can avoid having our
messages "disappear"?
Too often my mail doesn't get through to the list.

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