
oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, July 28 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4966



TH350 upshift adjustment
Re: TH350 upshift adjustment
OverHaulin!
overhaulin' 68
Re: UNBOUNCE: Olds Pickup?
OverHaulin!
Re: overhaulin' 68
Re: OverHaulin!
Re: 65 engine ID, more number questions...
Re: 65 engine ID
Re: OverHaulin!
TH350 upshift adjustment
Fwd: Englishtown, NJ under Fire - This could happen here too - help if you can
Re: Q-jet IDing websites...
Re: Q-jet IDing websites...
Woodward
Re: TH350 upshift adjustment
Re: OverHaulin!
RE: 65 engine ID, more number questions...
Horsepower TV
RE: 68 442 on TV tonite? 9pm "Overhaul" PBS ?
Re: Englishtown, NJ under Fire - This could happen here too - help if you can
RE: Woodward
Re: 68 442 on TV tonite? 9pm "Overhaul" PBS ?
Re: TH350 upshift adjustment
RE: 68 442 on TV tonite? 9pm "Overhaul" PBS ?
1991 Cutlass Supreme Brake Problem
RE: 68 442 on TV "Overhauin" Critique

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:53:46 -0400
From: FDR <fdesrochers@rogers.com>
Subject: TH350 upshift adjustment

My 72 Cutlass upshifts at around 4000 rpm just when things are getting  
exciting. This is for 1-2 and 2-3 upshift. I would expect the shift point  
to be more
around the 4500 rpm range.  I have checked the kickdown cable and it looks  
fine. It does seem to downshift fine when I floor the gas pedal. Is there  
a way to
"easily" change the shift points? It seems like everything is working fine  
as I get nice part throttle upshift and downshift.

'72 convertible with 350- 4 barrels.

Thanks for any info

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:17:08 -0400
From: "Roc88ket" <roc88ket@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: TH350 upshift adjustment

You can order a new vacuum modulator that is adjustable from B&M. Just go to
their website, specify your tranny. It has a screw in side that you can
adjust for your shift point.

I just put one in for my friend's '75 Caprice convertible in less than 10
minutes including adjustment. I'm sure by now the diaphram in your is weak
which causes it to shift sooner.

John Sanders
'53 Olds 88 (just sold today)
'01 Aurora 4.0
'03 Aurora Final 500

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "FDR" <fdesrochers@rogers.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 7:53 PM
Subject: TH350 upshift adjustment


> My 72 Cutlass upshifts at around 4000 rpm just when things are getting
> exciting. This is for 1-2 and 2-3 upshift. I would expect the shift point
> to be more
> around the 4500 rpm range.  I have checked the kickdown cable and it looks
> fine. It does seem to downshift fine when I floor the gas pedal. Is there
> a way to
> "easily" change the shift points? It seems like everything is working fine
> as I get nice part throttle upshift and downshift.
>
> '72 convertible with 350- 4 barrels.
>
> Thanks for any info
>
> -- 
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:15:44 -0400
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: OverHaulin!

Just got done watching OverHaulin'....I dont know what the rest of ya
think...BUT I thought the car turned out AWESOME!!!! Loved the interior and
that stereo system must have sounded Kick A$$. Wish we could have heard
it....lol

Not my pick for a paint job...but  the car went from now to WOW!!!! I
cried...I laughed....I felt the PAIN.....I sure wouldnt turn the car down if
it happened to my '68 Cutty!!

Wonder if you can get a copy of the show??? Anyone know???

Well back to the tube to watch Rides!

Tami
(wishin that could happen to my '68 Cutty)

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:16:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Crumley <crumleym_50@yahoo.com>
Subject: overhaulin' 68

Hey we'll see if this is the first mentioning the show
after it aired.

A few things:
1. If I saw a video of two strangers doing burnouts
and blowing upper radiator hoses (and driving the
car!!)  I'd be pissed.
2.  Not a big fan of shaved door handles and what kind
of grandma steering wheel did they put on that thing. 
It was a quick shot but it looked plain jane.
3.  I really liked the stance.  I like the wheel/tire
combo.  I think Parts Place is selling those, (Intro
is the Co. that makes the wheels).
4.  You gotta hate electrical gremlins, but doesn't it
seem "made for TV" since it was so last minute and
they didn't fire the motor?

Not bad for Hollywood.

Matt
STL, MO


		
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:23:29 -0400
From: <DaveS@Atlantic.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: Olds Pickup?

The truck is called a R.E.O It was made in the late 20's and 30's
DaveS@Atlantic.net
Dave Smith
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Beaulieu" <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: "Oldsmobile" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 4:44 PM
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Olds Pickup?


> Not on the list, respond to onestopgirl@hotmail.com if you can assist.
> 
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>           Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:   "Sandy Mauer" <Lyday@mvn.net>
> Subject: Oldsmobile pick up truck
> 
> My husband and I saw a very old pick up truck that said Oldsmobile on =
> the back.  When he got out and look at the front, the name said =
> Prospector.  My husband didn't think that Oldsmobile had ever made a =
> pick up truck.  I was trying to find out more information about it for =
> him, but haven't been able to.  I was hoping you might be able to help =
> us find out more information.  Please send info to =
> onestopgirl@hotmail.com
> Thanks for your time.
> Sandy 
> 
> 

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:15:44 -0400
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: OverHaulin!

Just got done watching OverHaulin'....I dont know what the rest of ya
think...BUT I thought the car turned out AWESOME!!!! Loved the interior and
that stereo system must have sounded Kick A$$. Wish we could have heard
it....lol

Not my pick for a paint job...but  the car went from now to WOW!!!! I
cried...I laughed....I felt the PAIN.....I sure wouldnt turn the car down if
it happened to my '68 Cutty!!

Wonder if you can get a copy of the show??? Anyone know???

Well back to the tube to watch Rides!

Tami
(wishin that could happen to my '68 Cutty)

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 21:29:03 -0500
From: "JBS" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: overhaulin' 68

wow... surprised they didn't slap a Chebbie crate motor in there


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Crumley" <crumleym_50@yahoo.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 9:16 PM
Subject: overhaulin' 68


> Hey we'll see if this is the first mentioning the show
> after it aired.
> 
> A few things:
> 1. If I saw a video of two strangers doing burnouts
> and blowing upper radiator hoses (and driving the
> car!!)  I'd be pissed.
> 2.  Not a big fan of shaved door handles and what kind
> of grandma steering wheel did they put on that thing. 
> It was a quick shot but it looked plain jane.
> 3.  I really liked the stance.  I like the wheel/tire
> combo.  I think Parts Place is selling those, (Intro
> is the Co. that makes the wheels).
> 4.  You gotta hate electrical gremlins, but doesn't it
> seem "made for TV" since it was so last minute and
> they didn't fire the motor?
> 
> Not bad for Hollywood.
> 
> Matt
> STL, MO
> 
> 
> 
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:33:08 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: OverHaulin!

Well, I thought it was... ok. I dunno how I'd feel if they did that to my
car. I HATED the color combo. Yellow and silver just didn't work for me.
They didn't say exactly what they did to that engine - but I guess we
should be grateful they didn't drop a Ch*vy crate motor in the thing. I'd
be a little nervous about the electrical system in that thing too. I
couldn't really tell what they did to the interior - 5 seconds was about
all I saw.

I guess I like the originals too much to go for all those mods. If it was
a totally shot car, then maybe, but that was a pretty solid car even with
the usual aftermarket junk the guy had under the hood. For me, this was
the weakest episode to date. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:10:10 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: 65 engine ID, more number questions...

Ron:

Thanks, that info is very helpful.

See, your head number would be the vin derivative stamping that shows that 
your engine (or at least the drivers side head) are the one it came with 
from the factory!

Cheers, George

At 11:29 AM 7/27/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>George,
>        The cast #'s on mine are:
>              Heads    383821  "A"
>              Block     389298  "B"
>
>        Engine Unit # (Rt Frnt Head)    V 019726
>
>
>                                                 Ron Forsee
>                                                 65-442 Origowner

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 20:09:04 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: 65 engine ID

Ron:

"Numbers matching" is a term that is used differently by different people. 
However, it generally it refers to the drivetrain of the car being the 
actual drivetrain that the car came with on day one. These numbers are 
generally the numbers that are stamped onto the engine and transmission 
individually, matching the VIN, or part of it.

Besides the stamped numbers that reflect the vin of the car, there are 
other numbers (e.g. cast numbers on the heads, date codes on the 
transmissions, model numbers of the carb) that need to be 'correct' for the 
car to be a high point show car. All these items however are not vin 
stamped and could theoretically be found elsewhere. This is why W30 correct 
parts (intakes, carbs, distributors) go for a lot of money.

George

At 10:54 AM 7/27/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>What do you mean by the term "numbers matching"? The ID# on the heads does 
>not match the ID# on the block (just behind the water pump).
>                                                 Ron Forsee
>                                                 65-442 Origowner

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:24:39 EDT
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: OverHaulin!

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I agree about the paint scheme. Not my choice by any means, but I can see 
where they got the idea from. I'd just as soon had the car back with the correct 
yellow paint and some rims and tires. But they did seem more impressed with 
the 442 than they have previous cars, and they (Chris and Courtney) seemed to 
have more respect for the car as a musclecar icon, even if they didn't respect 
the car itself by driving it so hard it overheated. My favorite is still the 
surfer El Camino.

Jon Wessel

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:05:08 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: TH350 upshift adjustment

Changing the modulator might work out, but it will shift 
other things like shift harshness too.  To simply change 
the speed, get the governor weight/spring kit for the 
THM350/THM400.   Bruce Roe

27 Jul 2004  "Roc88ket" <roc88ket@comcast.net> writes:
> You can order a new vacuum modulator that is adjustable 
> from B&M.   Just go to their website, specify your tranny.  It 
> has a screw in side that you can adjust for your shift point.

> From: "FDR" <fdesrochers@rogers.com>

> Sent:  July 27, 2004 

> > My 72 Cutlass upshifts at around 4000 rpm just when things 
> > are getting exciting. This is for 1-2 and 2-3 upshift. 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 04:48:10 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Fwd: Englishtown, NJ under Fire - This could happen here too - help if you can

Forwarded from the New England Olds Club:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>From: DMR67442@aol.com
>Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 23:28:07 EDT
>Subject: Fwd: Englishtown, NJ under Fire - This could happen here too -
help if you can
>To:.......
..............
>     ATTENTION RACEFANS: 
>
>      Raceway Park needs your help and support!!!
>
>      On Thursday August 5th, a Public Meeting is being held to discuss
the noise levels that affect the residents of Manalapan and Englishtown.
Monmouth County Assemblymen Michael J. Panter and Robert L. Morgan will
discuss their recent legislation proposal to remove the Motor Vehicle
Racetrack Exemption from the Noise Control Act of 1971. This exemption is
what makes it possible for racetracks of all types to operate unmuffled
vehicles. This move would be devastating to Raceway Park, and could set off
a number of changes the way racetracks operate both here in our area and
all over the state. Founded in 1965, long before the wave of housing
developments that now dominate our area, Raceway Park has remained a place
for motorsport enthusiasts of all kinds to come and enjoy the sports they
love. Raceway Park has been able to stay open these many years based
largely in part on the vocal support of the many local race fans who have
helped us to fend off these attacks in the past
> . 
>      We now ask for that support again, so that we may silence those who
oppose Raceway Park once and for all. The meeting is open to the public and
will take place on Thursday August 5th at 7:00 PM in Manalapan Township at
the Monmouth County Library Headquarters located at 125 Symmes Rd. The
library is a mere 1/4 mile from the corner of Route 9 and Symmes Rd. and
very easy to access. If you are unable to attend, please contact
Assemblymen Panter and Assemblymen Morgan at 732-741-5599 and voice your
opinion. You may also fax your thoughts to 732-741-0012 or contact them via
email at AsmPanter@njleg.org or AsmMorgan@njleg.org. If you e-mail, please
copy Raceway Park at etownrcwy@aol.com. You can send a letter to them at
New Jersey General Assembly, Legislative Office, The Galleria, 2 Bridge
Avenue, Bldg. 2, Red Bank, New Jersey 07701. Please come out and support
Raceway Park, the home of fast family fun for over 40 years and for many
years to come. 
>
>

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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:22:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Fellman <frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Q-jet IDing websites...

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Thanks, Jay!  
 
As it turns out, the carb I was trying to ID is from a '72
GM truck, series 20 & 30, with 402 and manual tranny.
 
Sure do appreciate the h*lp!
                                               Phantom455
========================================

Jay Britt <jbritt67@mindspring.com> wrote:
http://www.carbs.net/carbinf.htm

- -----Original Message-----
Does anyone on the list recall the address of a site 
at which one can enter a QuadraJet 7-digit number 
and ascertain the application?





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<DIV>Thanks, Jay!&nbsp; </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>As it turns out, the carb I was trying to ID is from a '72</DIV>
<DIV>GM truck, series 20 &amp; 30, with 402 and manual tranny.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Sure do appreciate the h*lp!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phantom455</DIV>
<DIV>========================================<BR><BR><B><I>Jay Britt &lt;jbritt67@mindspring.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">http://www.carbs.net/carbinf.htm<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>Does anyone on the list recall the address of a site <BR>at which one can enter a QuadraJet 7-digit number <BR>and ascertain the application?<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 22:44:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Fellman <frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Q-jet IDing websites...

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Yep-- side-fueler!  Have no particular use for it myself--
anyone else?  Needs a lot of cleanup, and probably 
a good rebuilding... if anyone's interested in it, I'll get it
and ship it.
                                                             Phantom455
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Chris Carson <fastcarson@prodigy.net> wrote:
My favorite way of ascertaining Q-jet IDs is just typing the number into
Google. What I came up with:

1972 GM Truck, Series 20, 30, 402, MT.
Not a bad score, albeit Ch*bby. Does it have a side fuel outlet???
Chris
- ----- Original Message -----
Does anyone on the list recall the address of a site
at which one can enter a QuadraJet 7-digit number
and ascertain the application?

Failing that, can someone please tell me for what
vehicle is a 7042207 carb? (Just ran across one
with DA secondary rods and a T hanger.)

Clearly a '72 something, but what?

tia, all... :o)))) Phantom455


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<DIV>Yep-- side-fueler!&nbsp; Have no particular use for it myself--</DIV>
<DIV>anyone else?&nbsp; Needs a lot of cleanup, and probably </DIV>
<DIV>a good rebuilding... if anyone's interested in it, I'll get it</DIV>
<DIV>and ship it.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phantom455</DIV>
<DIV>========================================<BR><BR><B><I>Chris Carson &lt;fastcarson@prodigy.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">My favorite way of ascertaining Q-jet IDs is just typing the number into<BR>Google. What I came up with:<BR><BR>1972 GM Truck, Series 20, 30, 402, MT.<BR>Not a bad score, albeit Ch*bby. Does it have a side fuel outlet???<BR>Chris<BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>Does anyone on the list recall the address of a site<BR>at which one can enter a QuadraJet 7-digit number<BR>and ascertain the application?<BR><BR>Failing that, can someone please tell me for what<BR>vehicle is a 7042207 carb? (Just ran across one<BR>with DA secondary rods and a T hanger.)<BR><BR>Clearly a '72 something, but what?<BR><BR>tia, all... :o)))) Phantom455<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 02:09:21 EDT
From: SSpuehler@aol.com
Subject: Woodward

Does anyone know when the Woodward Dream Cruise is this year?

I'll be driving there in my 83 Hurst/Olds.

Hope to see you guys there.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:07:01 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: TH350 upshift adjustment

> My 72 Cutlass upshifts at around 4000 rpm just when things are getting
> exciting. This is for 1-2 and 2-3 upshift. I would expect the shift point
> to be more
> around the 4500 rpm range.  I have checked the kickdown cable and it looks
> fine. It does seem to downshift fine when I floor the gas pedal. Is there
> a way to
> "easily" change the shift points? It seems like everything is working fine
> as I get nice part throttle upshift and downshift.
>
> '72 convertible with 350- 4 barrels.
>
> Thanks for any info


If you would like a really exciting shift point, go to your local Chevy
dealer and order the entire governor assembly for a '69 Z-28 Camaro with a
TH350. You have to buy the complete assembly because both the counterweights
and the springs are different. Then, pop the external cover off the side of
your TH350, remove the original governor, install the new one, and then
re-install the cover. It's that simple.

Then, you will probably control the WOT shift points with your foot. When
either the tach or your ear tells you it's time for the TH350 to shift, you
will lift your foot slightly off the gas pedal, the TH350 will shift, then
you will push down again. It works great. That's what I did to the TH350 in
my '76 Chevy Impala. It made a world of difference.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 00:54:15 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: OverHaulin!

> But they did seem more impressed with
> the 442 than they have previous cars, and they (Chris and Courtney) seemed
to
> have more respect for the car as a musclecar icon,


Except Courtney was an idiot and kept saying "Four Forty-Two" instead of the
correct designation of "Four Four Two." *Everyone* else on the program said
it correctly, "Four Four Two."


> even if they didn't respect
> the car itself by driving it so hard it overheated.


That was *no* respect for someone else's car.

Also, I distinctly heard Chris talk about a new exhaust system, but we never
saw what they did. What did they do to the engine? All we saw was a complete
wash job and an electrical system that wouldn't work.

I simply don't like 16" and bigger wheels. I want taller sidewalls for the
street, and I just don't like the looks of those way too big in diameter
wheels. 15" diameter wheels are what I like. Actually, the Centerlines the
owner originally had on his car looked fine. I wouldn't have changed them.

I was hoping to see more of what Baer was doing to the brakes and Hotchkiss
was doing to the suspension, but it was only mentioned, and we didn't see
any real details. Instead, way too much time was spent on the social
interaction of the participants and the con-game run on the car's owner.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:17:16 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: 65 engine ID, more number questions...

NO, no , no. Yhe head number is a sequential engine number starting with V
010001 in '65.  1968 was the first year the VIN deriv was used.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of
> geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:10 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 65 engine ID, more number questions...
>
>
> Ron:
>
> Thanks, that info is very helpful.
>
> See, your head number would be the vin derivative stamping that
> shows that
> your engine (or at least the drivers side head) are the one it came with
> from the factory!
>
> Cheers, George
>
> At 11:29 AM 7/27/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >George,
> >        The cast #'s on mine are:
> >              Heads    383821  "A"
> >              Block     389298  "B"
> >
> >        Engine Unit # (Rt Frnt Head)    V 019726
> >
> >
> >                                                 Ron Forsee
> >                                                 65-442 Origowner
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:12:59 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Horsepower TV

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Anyone see the redo they did to a 69 442 droptop? Only saw the last half of  
the show. They replaced a 350 with a 455, new Edlebrock heads and most  
interior and exterior pieces from Year One. Did Disc brake conversion all  around, 
new front grille, headlight bezels, interior door panels,  etc. Flowmaster 3" 
exhausts. Easy to do if you have the big $, but the car  looked beautiful. Two 
things I didn't care for. New 17" wheels and a chrome  steering wheel. Both 
looked out of place to me.
 
 Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass  Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92 Eldo

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:12:46 -0400
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 on TV tonite? 9pm "Overhaul" PBS ?

Wife's got to go to the website and fill out an application to get you
'Hauled.  My wife filled it out for me, but I ended up having to complete
most of it.  It's gonna be hard to act surprised if I ever get on (not
likely, since it looks like everything happens in California).

Loved those Hurst reproduction rims they ended up putting on that '68.
Anyone catch the manufacturer?

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI
69 Cutlass S Convertible - in need of a Chip Foose 'Overhaul'

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Witt [mailto:rocketscience442@hotmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 12:15 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 68 442 on TV tonite? 9pm "Overhaul" PBS ?
> 
> 
> Rumor from the wife
> 
> 9pm tonite
> Stolen/ recovered 1968 442
> Re-done for the owner as a surprise
> 
> Man, when they gonna do one for me?
> ----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
> 
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
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Subject: Re: Englishtown, NJ under Fire - This could happen here too - help if you can

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Was bound to happen with all the new Condos they've been building the last  
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:24:54 -0400
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Woodward

Saturday, August 21st (but cruisers will be out from Sunday the week before)

Check out the site:

http://www.woodwarddreamcruise.com/2004/

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI


> -----Original Message-----
> From: SSpuehler@aol.com [mailto:SSpuehler@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 2:09 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Woodward
> 
> 
> Does anyone know when the Woodward Dream Cruise is this year?
> 
> I'll be driving there in my 83 Hurst/Olds.
> 
> Hope to see you guys there.
> 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:29:09 -0400
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: 68 442 on TV tonite? 9pm "Overhaul" PBS ?

Tom...I didnt check the maker of those rims...but I have the web site for
the show bookmarked...here it is http://www.overhaulin.com/

If the 4-4-2 isnt in there now it should be soon and it will tell you(I
think) were they got everything!!!!

Tami

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:30:22 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: TH350 upshift adjustment

did you check the kick down cable for proper adjustment and not binding
ron
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To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 12:05 AM
Subject: TH350 upshift adjustment


> Changing the modulator might work out, but it will shift 
> other things like shift harshness too.  To simply change 
> the speed, get the governor weight/spring kit for the 
> THM350/THM400.   Bruce Roe
> 
> 27 Jul 2004  "Roc88ket" <roc88ket@comcast.net> writes:
> > You can order a new vacuum modulator that is adjustable 
> > from B&M.   Just go to their website, specify your tranny.  It 
> > has a screw in side that you can adjust for your shift point.
> 
> > From: "FDR" <fdesrochers@rogers.com>
> 
> > Sent:  July 27, 2004 
> 
> > > My 72 Cutlass upshifts at around 4000 rpm just when things 
> > > are getting exciting. This is for 1-2 and 2-3 upshift. 
> 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 08:48:03 -0400
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 on TV tonite? 9pm "Overhaul" PBS ?

Someone had the Manufacturer ("Intro").  Anyone have a website?  Can't find
it in a simple Google search.

Tom Bejma

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ftfunnyfarm [mailto:ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 8:29 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 68 442 on TV tonite? 9pm "Overhaul" PBS ?
> 
> 
> Tom...I didnt check the maker of those rims...but I have the 
> web site for
> the show bookmarked...here it is http://www.overhaulin.com/
> 
> If the 4-4-2 isnt in there now it should be soon and it will 
> tell you(I
> think) were they got everything!!!!
> 
> Tami
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 06:24:26 -0700 (PDT)
From: Alan Friedrich <jetfire63@yahoo.com>
Subject: 1991 Cutlass Supreme Brake Problem

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I need the expertise of you fellow lister. My step-daughter asked me to take a look at her car because the Anti-lock brake pump? runs all the time unless she pulls the fuse. I checked the brakes on all four corners and replaced the rear pads and rotors which were badly worn. Now I need to know what might cause the pump to run all the time.
I sure would rather be working on my '63's
Thanks.
 
Alan


63 Cutlass Convertible, 4v, 4 speed, dualed 
63 Cutlass 2 door post 4v, 4 speed 
63 Cutlass 2 door post 2V, Auto on floor, factory air 
63 Cutlass 4 door 2v, Auto on column 
63 Jetfire 2 door hardtop, (needs turbo) 
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:46:52 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 on TV "Overhauin" Critique

Wife's got to go to the website and fill out an application to get you
'Hauled.  My wife filled it out for me, but I ended up having to complete
most of it.  It's gonna be hard to act surprised if I ever get on (not
likely, since it looks like everything happens in California).
==================
"Oh, man, this car has LOTS OF RUST!"
Spoiled fricken brats
Sorry, but losing 3" off the bottom of the fenders and rear quarters is "no 
rust at all" here.
I understand they have to do local cars because of the logistics, and since 
they are in CA, local cars are pristine to start with... I get the 
impression they simply could not handle a real rusty car if they had to. 
Hmmmmm.... wonder if they would choose to re-body and swap plates... or 
spend a month putting in all new floors, trunk pan, floor supports, dash to 
cowl piece [try to find one w/o rust for a '68], quarters, fenders, decklid, 
hood.... replace every bit of chrome and die cast trim... THEN start on the 
interior.
   PS, for me, as if that would happen... which one? The CA convert would be 
possible for them to do, but I have special plans for that one, that if they 
would do, would be great, but involves a lot more than paint/ body/ sound 
system. I would let them have at the rusty MI post coupe, though. Just have 
to un-bury it. It has no engine at this time either, but in about a day I 
can have that tri-power unit in there, with a trans hooked up to go.
    I knew they were gonna run into problems putting the side stripes on a 
car that did not have them. There are a couple ways they could have done 
better than running the stripes into the w/o chrome [like everyone that 
tries that ends up doing]. 1) reposition the numerals to the correct place 
like the factory did... so that stripe hits fender heel about midway 
fore-aft. 2) since they are taking extreme liberties with the paint anyhow, 
angle the stripes so that they end up properly centered in the fender heel.
   Notice they did little or nothing engine-wise. Painted rocker covers and 
a [all together now] K&N FilterCHARGER!!!  Ooooooooh!!!! How about a damn 
W30 setup, a mere $1000 or so for the air cleaner, scoops, hoses. I guess in 
7 days, there's only so much you can do, and besides, if it ain't broke, 
don't fix it. As so well evidenced by the problems they stirred up when they 
power washed the wiring right apart. Oooops. Besides, had they started 
engine work, you know they would have either 1) stuck in a "502 crate motor, 
'cause it's stoked and ready right out of the box", or 2) built the 
ubiquitous 455 with Edelbrock heads and every other sponsor's items. God 
forbid they should push the envelope and use a 425 or custom piston long-rod 
455 or something. It'd be nice if they had an Olds person at least look at 
the engine and cite some details such as block, heads, compression, cam, 
etc.
   On the exhaust, again, the show glossed over the details of the system, a 
quick shot or two of the installation. Ditto for the Differential, not a 
clue as to gear ratio. I could not even tell if they kept the O type diff or 
swapped in a C type that was probably the only thing they could find a posi 
unit for. So, they might have removed a O type posi and sold it for scrap in 
order to put in a common C type.
   "It's gonna handle like a Corvette" and some vague reference to putting 
rear disk brakes on it. Again, no specifics whatsoever. I guess my version 
would require at least a hour long show. Maybe a quick summary of specifics 
on-air, and "go see our web site for all the details" where you can peruse 
at your leisure...



Loved those Hurst reproduction rims they ended up putting on that '68.
Anyone catch the manufacturer?
Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI
69 Cutlass S Convertible - in need of a Chip Foose 'Overhaul'
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"Elite," I think
Damn nice looking wheel, too bad they gloss over all numerical details such 
as size of wheels and tires.
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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