
oldsmobile-digest        Tuesday, June 1 2004        Volume 01 : Number 4906



Re: Window Decals.....
Re: Original owners
Northern Ohio B-O-P Show and Swap Meet
Freezing vs. Heating; Blue steel has lost its temper... 
Re: Freezing vs. Heating; Blue steel has lost its temper... 
Re: Freezing vs. Heating; Blue steel has lost its temper... 
Re: Freezing vs. Heating; Blue steel has lost its temper... 
Re: Original Owner
I'm Stumped........
Re: I'm Stumped........
Serious vibration... solved!
Re: I'm Stumped........
Re: Original Owner

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Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 21:39:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Frank Fellman <frank.fellman@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Window Decals.....

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I'd like to see the pix...
 
                                                thanks!         Phantom455
                                                                  (a.k.a. Frank Fellman)

ftfunnyfarm <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net> wrote:
Just wanted to let you all know that the window decals came in and they look
pretty darn good.....I would have maybe done them a bit different but over
all I am happy with how they turned out!

I am sending this to the lists I am on and I know at least one or two wont
accept pictures....so if you want to see it write to me and I'll send the
pics I have...I only have two pics...one of the small and one of the big
one.

The gal that got the decals made told the guy that he would prolly be
getting more orders....so if you want one....here is the info to contact the
guy....

ACE Graphics & Signs
Micheal Mollitor
(517)669-1542
mike@acegraphicsandsigns.com
www.acegraphicsandsigns.com
1541 W. Round Lake Rd.
DeWitt,Michigan 48820

Tami


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<DIV>I'd like to see the pix...</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; thanks!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Phantom455</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (a.k.a. Frank Fellman)<BR><BR><B><I>ftfunnyfarm &lt;ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Just wanted to let you all know that the window decals came in and they look<BR>pretty darn good.....I would have maybe done them a bit different but over<BR>all I am happy with how they turned out!<BR><BR>I am sending this to the lists I am on and I know at least one or two wont<BR>accept pictures....so if you want to see it write to me and I'll send the<BR>pics I have...I only have two pics...one of the small and one of the big<BR>one.<BR><BR>The gal that got the decals made told the guy that he would prolly be<BR>getting more orders....so if you want one....here is the info to contact the<BR>guy....<BR><BR>ACE Graphics &amp; Signs<BR>Micheal Mollitor<BR>(517)669-1542<BR>mike@acegraphicsandsigns.com<BR>www.acegraphicsandsigns.com<BR>1541 W. Round Lake Rd.<BR>DeWitt,Michigan 48820<BR><BR>Tami<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Date: Sun, 30 May 2004 23:52:39 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Original owners

Yes, Dennis Urban bought his '64 442 new.  I think he was 17 when he 
special ordered it.  He still has it, as of a couple months ago.  I don't 
think he would ever sell it. He lives in Parma Ohio, near Cleveland.

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 09:13:09 -0400
From: "James Savnik" <j.savnik@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Northern Ohio B-O-P Show and Swap Meet

The 13th annual B-O-P Car show and swap meet (hosted by the North East Ohio
Buick Club) will be on Sunday June 13th (rain or shine) at the Cuyahoga
Valley Career Center (8001 Brecksville Road, Brecksville Ohio 1.7 miles
north of Rt. 82). 1st, 2nd, and 3rd place trophies, also best in each B-O-P.
E-mail or call for info.
Registration opens at 9am

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Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 10:33:46 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Freezing vs. Heating; Blue steel has lost its temper... 

From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: installing piston pins

ok, I've been a little busy with work but wanted to learn more about this 
from
our discussion last week.  Basically from what I gathered is a rod heater is 
ok,
as long as the rod isn't overheated.  since no one here on this list knows 
what
temperature the rod heater that was used on the rods in my engine went to
specifically, we can only speculate.  but obviously overheating a rod is 
bad.
==================
Granted, we did not have data recorders on the rods, sure, but.... the 
evidence shows what we need to know. I know enough about metallurgy to know 
that blue ruins the temper of steel. Learned that way back in Jr. High when 
being taught to grind a screwdriver tip. Blue is bad, there goes the 
strength. Unless you re-harden and re-temper it.

I agree that rod heating is common, and it works. However, pin freezing also 
works, though the temp differential attained is not quite as large of 
course. And, room-temp pressing works, too, though it's not as good, the 
press is harder and galling more likely.

I would not use blue rods in any engine except my own, as an experiment. If 
I were building an engine for another person, I would NEVER let them see a 
blue rod.. blue rods go into the scrap pile. I blued 3 or 4 on a brand new 
race built 425 a few yrs ago in accidental loss of oil pressure. I rebuilt 
it with all the blue rods replaced. Found a 425 crank with bearings on eBay 
for like $150, bless that eVil site!

I tried a new trick the other day on stuck xst bolt...
Instead of heating the head, freeze the bolt.
Electronic suppky house sells can of Freeze Spray for ck'g electronic 
components. Pricey at $10 a can. Goes down to like -60F I think. Anyhow, I 
sprayed the bolt real good, maybe $2-3 worth, hit severely with 3 lb hammer 
in axial direction, attached vice grips, wiggled back n forth and voila' out 
it came. No heat. Kinda pricey, and one bolt does not a true study make 
though.

PS it works GREAT on wasps, if there's not too many of them. Freezes them 
real quick. Tiniest blast will do it. Great fun for the kids [adult operates 
the can of course]
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 10:56:40 -0400
From: "M. Gillespie" <mick442@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Freezing vs. Heating; Blue steel has lost its temper... 

> PS it works GREAT on wasps, if there's not too many of them. Freezes them
> real quick. Tiniest blast will do it. Great fun for the kids [adult
operates
> the can of course]
> ----------------------
> Chris Witt

Elmer's spray glue works great on wasps too. Catch them in the air and watch
them sputter land on the nearest surface and stick fast.
Get a few of them and the rest seem to catch on real quick and vacate the
area. Not too humane for the wasps but better than a mass stinging when you
disturb their nest.
OC: While looking for Olds parts in the Yarde.

Mick Gillespie
!969 442 Conv. (clone)
1980 Toro
http://members.rogers.com/mick442/oldspage.htm

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Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 17:08:56 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Freezing vs. Heating; Blue steel has lost its temper... 

At 10:56 AM 5/31/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Elmer's spray glue works great on wasps too. Catch them in the air and 
>watch them sputter land on the nearest surface and stick fast. Get a 
>few of them and the rest seem to catch on real quick and vacate the
>area. Not too humane for the wasps but better than a mass stinging when 
>you disturb their nest.

huˇmane    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (hy-mn)
adj.

   1. Characterized by kindness, mercy, or compassion: a humane judge.
   2. Marked by an emphasis on humanistic values and concerns: a humane
education.

I'm not bout to consider being "humane" to no flying, stinging thing like a
wasp, bumblebee, hornet, or yellerjacket  ;o\  ;o\  ;o\

SteveH

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Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 17:06:09 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Freezing vs. Heating; Blue steel has lost its temper... 

At 10:33 AM 5/31/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>PS it works GREAT on wasps, if there's not too many of them. Freezes 
>them real quick. Tiniest blast will do it. Great fun for the kids 
>[adult operates the can of course]

How the heck you get close nuff to the dang thangs to hit em????

I use the cans of air in lieu of an air compressor around here; scrape
loose rust loose from here or there, blow it off. Blow the junk out from
around spark plugs. Blow water outta the passages in freshly-dunked,
rinsed-off carb bodies. Even use it to blow the dust outta my trackball.

SteveH

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Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 17:56:08 EDT
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Original Owner

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Yo Al!
       I ordered my 442 on May 7th and and took delivery on June 12th.
                                                        
                                                 Ron Forsee

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Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 20:35:53 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: I'm Stumped........

Spent the weekend swapping in the new engine......the new converter went
right in, and everything went smoothly until I went to turn the
key.....NOTHING. No clicks, no starter engagement.

The engine was run on the dyno, so it not that.

I did not touch the neutral safety switch or ignition switch.

The coil, distributor, and starter worked perfectly on the old engine.
The Optima battery is about 2 months old.

I labeled every wire, so I don't think it is miswired.

All inputs greatly appreciated!!

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 with a new engine that won't start
OCA # 31967

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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 02:18:12 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: I'm Stumped........

At 08:35 PM 5/31/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Spent the weekend swapping in the new engine......the new converter went
>right in, and everything went smoothly until I went to turn the
>key.....NOTHING. No clicks, no starter engagement.

Didja idiot lights come on in the start position as they should? If so, the
switch probly ain't at fault, and it's either the wiring to the starter
solenoid or the solenoid itself. Wouldn't be the first time.

SteveH

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Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 22:39:11 EDT
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Serious vibration... solved!

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Some of you may remember that a while back I posted a request for help with a 
serious vibration in my '72 Cutlass, especially on hard braking or 
deceleration. Well, in a round about way, we found out what it was. 

I noticed a tranny leak, and when we got the car up on the hoist to check it 
out, we noticed that the rear bushing was leaking. The bushing was wallowed 
out quite a bit and the driveshaft yoke was worn excessively on one side. It 
also appeared that the driveshaft was too short. 

Having some experience with Chevy/GMC trucks and driveline angle, I suggested 
that we check the pinion angles. They were more than 5 degrees off. So, we 
replaced the rear tranny bushing, got a new, longer driveshaft, and installed a 
set of adjustable rear upper control arms so that we could easily change the 
pinion angle. Bingo, no more vibration. I suspect that the pinion angles being 
so far off were the main culprit, and this eventually led to the failure of 
the tranny bushing. The incorrect pinion angles, combined with the slop in the 
driveshaft, made for that serious vibration I was feeling on deceleration.

Thanks again to everyone who responded to my original post. I thought you 
might want to know what the problem turned out to be.

Jon Wessel

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 23:53:53 -0400
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: I'm Stumped........

I labeled every wire, so I don't think it is miswired.

Check the starter wiring again. If it seems right use a tester to check if
power is getting to it.(My tester is a long screw driver on the contacts.)

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Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 22:42:12 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Original Owner

Unfortunately, I was the second owner of Thunder. I got her on the Friday
after Thanksgiving in 1968.

However, all '64 Olds 442 owners need to stand together, in honor of the
greatest car and car series GM ever built. The '64 442 started the Legend.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


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From: <R4C442@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2004 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Original Owner


> Yo Al!
>        I ordered my 442 on May 7th and and took delivery on June 12th.
>
>                                                  Ron Forsee
>

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