
oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, June 30 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4937



timing tabs - diffs, suppliers
More Olds bling-bling
Re: More Olds bling-bling
Re: More Olds bling-bling
Timing Gear - Nylon or Metal ?
RE: Timing Gear - Nylon or Metal ?
Re: Timing Gear - Nylon or Metal ?
YZ exh vs. Hooker comps
Re: More Olds bling-bling
Re: More Olds bling-bling
Re: 68 350 engine
RE:  auto transport revisited
RE:  Buick Riviera
Re: Can you identify this Olds?
RE: More Olds bling-bling
UNBOUNCE: B-body spindle swap site down
Re: Can you identify this Olds?
RE: More Olds bling-bling
Re: 3800 plastic vacuum block
Yet another engine in- 1968 350-2bbl
RE: Dist'r vacuum
UNBOUNCE: H*lp identifying part?
Aurora Parts Car
Distributor gear wear problems
Re: UNBOUNCE: B-body spindle swap site down
Northern Ohio All Oldsmobile Show and Swap meet
Re: Eek!  Of Mice and Oldsmobiles....
Re: YZ exh vs. Hooker comps
Re: YZ exh vs. Hooker comps
The Delta Returns
RE: Dist'r vacuum 
Re: Dist'r vacuum
World's smallest Olds crank

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:24:00 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: timing tabs - diffs, suppliers

Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 08:38:22 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: new msd

that may explain things then. Is there anywhere I could look up part numbers
for that timing indicator. I wouldn't even know where to start looking for a
piece like that or what they even call it

Allen Schwartz
A&L Enterprises
mycj@tds.net
=============
I seriously doubt that any two tabs 1968+ differ significantly
Except the 307's that used the small non-rubberized balancer.
If there's no huge gap between balancer and tab, you're OK.

I can fit one of each to my mockup engine and take pix if that will help.

I can also send you the correct tab for sure for your 455.

Now, wasn't that easy.
All you gotta do is ask.
- ----------------------
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:27:21 -0400
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: More Olds bling-bling

Greetings,

On vacation in Las Vegas a few weeks ago, I ran into a pimped-out '71
Cutlass Supreme a few times.  I snapped this picture with my phone while
parked at the Rio:

http://megatron.stonehill.edu/vegas04/images/IMAGE_00030.jpg

20" Daytons all around, custom interior, and to be honest, the paint was
actually very nice - looked like little hockey stripes where airbrushed all
around the car giving it almost a faint scale pattern over the metallic
goldish/copper base.  Wheels were a bit too big for my tastes, but the rest
of the car was very decent. :)

 ~ Dan "we gon sip Bacardi like it they birfday" Gerow

- -------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
- -------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:48:57 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: More Olds bling-bling

At 11:27 AM 6/29/2004, you wrote:
>On vacation in Las Vegas a few weeks ago, I ran into a pimped-out '71
>Cutlass Supreme a few times.  I snapped this picture with my phone while
>parked at the Rio:
>
>http://megatron.stonehill.edu/vegas04/images/IMAGE_00030.jpg
>
>20" Daytons all around, custom interior, and to be honest, the paint was
>actually very nice - looked like little hockey stripes where airbrushed all
>around the car giving it almost a faint scale pattern over the metallic
>goldish/copper base.  Wheels were a bit too big for my tastes, but the rest
>of the car was very decent. :)

With a set of 275/60-15" BFG's out back and 245/60-15" up front on American 
Racing 5-spokes, that would be real sweet.


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:52:50 -0500
From: "JBS" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: More Olds bling-bling

Queen Latifa ain't got nothing on 'dat cutty'...

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
To: "Olds List" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:27 AM
Subject: More Olds bling-bling


> Greetings,
>
> On vacation in Las Vegas a few weeks ago, I ran into a pimped-out '71
> Cutlass Supreme a few times.  I snapped this picture with my phone while
> parked at the Rio:
>
> http://megatron.stonehill.edu/vegas04/images/IMAGE_00030.jpg
>
> 20" Daytons all around, custom interior, and to be honest, the paint was
> actually very nice - looked like little hockey stripes where airbrushed
all
> around the car giving it almost a faint scale pattern over the metallic
> goldish/copper base.  Wheels were a bit too big for my tastes, but the
rest
> of the car was very decent. :)
>
>  ~ Dan "we gon sip Bacardi like it they birfday" Gerow
>
> -------------------------------------
> Daniel R. Gerow
> '70 W-31 4spd post
> dgerow@stonehill.edu
> http://www.oldsrocket.com
> -------------------------------------

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:01:16 -0400
From: derek@pontius.us
Subject: Timing Gear - Nylon or Metal ?

Does anyone know if the timing gear on a 1987 Olds 88 is made of Nylon or Metal
?  I have heard that if it is made of Nylon, it's worth ripping it out and
replacing it before it fails and leaves nylon chips all over the oil pan.

Any help or direction you could give would be appreciated!

- --Derek

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:21:56 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Timing Gear - Nylon or Metal ?

Some of them are metal with a nylon backing. AFAIK the nylon is to prevent
the gear rattling against the block.


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of derek@pontius.us
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 12:01 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Timing Gear - Nylon or Metal ?


Does anyone know if the timing gear on a 1987 Olds 88 is made of Nylon or
Metal
?  I have heard that if it is made of Nylon, it's worth ripping it out and
replacing it before it fails and leaves nylon chips all over the oil pan.

Any help or direction you could give would be appreciated!

- --Derek

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:53:05 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Timing Gear - Nylon or Metal ?

> Does anyone know if the timing gear on a 1987 Olds 88 is made of Nylon or
Metal
> ?  I have heard that if it is made of Nylon, it's worth ripping it out and
> replacing it before it fails and leaves nylon chips all over the oil pan.

- ------------------

OE had nylon teeth.  Replace it.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 12:05:26 -0500
From: "Ian Dixon" <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Subject: YZ exh vs. Hooker comps

 
This is a poll for the list.  It touches on essentially what is your
personal philosophy toward restoration.  

I'm restoring a 1970 442 - this is a matching #'s car with factory
4-spd, 455, OAI (W-25 option hood), stock E heads, stock valvetrain,
standard steering, no A/C, drum brakes, etc original car. I plan to
drive it only on weekends when she's done.  Strictly a recreational car,
not for daily driving.

I'm facing a restoration dilemma which essentially can be divided to two
sets of choices - orginality vs. safety (easy issues), and originality
vs. increased performance (tough issues).  I've come to the decision of
restoring to match original paint color, wheels, and ride height.

Front disc brakes are not an option, nor is improved handling and I'm in
the middle of this work.  

The final question is with regard to induction and exhaust.  I have a
set of mint YZ manifolds that came with the car, they were used for two
years.  So the question is whether to use the exh mani's sacrificing
some performance (thinking about 30 rwhp with a stock 455) or use a set
of Hooker comps or even Kooks'.  I'm leaning to the latter, and simply
hanging onto all the stock parts.  I doubt that I'll ever part with this
car, been my dream to own one for years.  

Would you:  1. use the stockers - avoid all the headaches of headers
            2. buy a set of new Kooks or Hooker Comps and keep the stock
parts

Many of you on the list are well known to me.  For example, I know what
Milton will say (improve on the stock version)! But I also know that
Paul Tumolo has a fairly warm 442 running the stock manifolds.  Your
views are most welcome - it'll help me to grapple this issue.  I also
understand that the guys running factory-appearing drags are pushing
their cars into the 11's with stock manifolds.

Shoot me a pm (idixon@sbrc.ca) for faster feedback, I'm on the digest.
Best,
Ian Dixon   

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:02:25 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: More Olds bling-bling

>>http://megatron.stonehill.edu/vegas04/images/IMAGE_00030.jpg
>>
>>[...] Wheels were a bit too big for my tastes, but the rest of the car was 
>>very decent. :)
>
>With a set of 275/60-15" BFG's out back and 245/60-15" up front on American 
>Racing 5-spokes, that would be real sweet.

So, of course, when you finally track down the proud owner to ask him about 
the car, he'll say, "The rest of the car was very decent, but I hadda get 
rid of a set of 275/60-15" BFG's out back and 245/60-15" up front on 
American Racing 5-spokes. Now it's real sweet!"  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 13:18:05 -0400
From: "David Popadic" <davepopadic@core.com>
Subject: Re: More Olds bling-bling

Ick... (to each there own).


> >>http://megatron.stonehill.edu/vegas04/images/IMAGE_00030.jpg
> >>
> >>[...] Wheels were a bit too big for my tastes, but the rest of the 
car was
> >>very decent. :)
> >
> >With a set of 275/60-15" BFG's out back and 245/60-15" up front on 
American
> >Racing 5-spokes, that would be real sweet.
> 
> So, of course, when you finally track down the proud owner to ask him 
about
> the car, he'll say, "The rest of the car was very decent, but I hadda 
get
> rid of a set of 275/60-15" BFG's out back and 245/60-15" up front on
> American Racing 5-spokes. Now it's real sweet!"  :-)
> 
> -- Andy
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:47:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 68 350 engine

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There is another 1968 350 Olds engine in pieces here near 
Chicago, looks like I will scrap it.  Keeping the nodular crank.

Bruce Roe
- -----------------------------------
Is it any good?  ie no hole in block, no cracked heads, etc?  If so, don't scrap it, I'll take it.  Just tell me where and I'll come pick it up, free of charge  :-)  I'm in the southwest suburbs of Chicago.
 
Chris
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 10:59:34 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: RE:  auto transport revisited

We usually use Reliable transport, and have also used Dependable Auto 
Shippers, both with good results.  We have also used a local guy for cars 
to/from CA, NM, etc.  He often has cars to pick up back east and likes to 
have something to go east from AZ.  Call him, price is right too.  Ed 
Merry.  480-844-8418 home, or cell is 602-769-3068.


Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:03:22 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: RE:  Buick Riviera

Buick has used the Riviera name for it's 2 door hardtops since the first 
one, in 1949.  It is like "Holiday" for Olds hardtops.

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 11:09:03 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Can you identify this Olds?

'67 Delta or Delmont 88.

Joe Varley

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 15:47:02 -0400
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: RE: More Olds bling-bling

Andy - good one!

While I would never put 20" Daytons on the W-31 (18" at most :P ) I do LOVE
to see cars like this.  There is a guy around here that has a mid 70's
Caprice convertible with big 20" chrome.  It's such a fun looking car.  I'm
not talking in terms of ride quality, safety or whatever, rather just the
fact that it's different.  I know the bling is en vogue and thus the
exception may become the rule, but personally, I'm sick of 14" steelies,
Cragars, and Torque Thrusts.  That isn't to say they aren't nice looking,
practical, or necessary - just somewhat blasé in my opinion.

 ~ Dan "sittin' on aluminum" Gerow

- -------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
- -------------------------------------


- -----Original Message-----
From: Andrew C. Green [mailto:acg_o@hotmail.com] 
Subject: Re: More Olds bling-bling


So, of course, when you finally track down the proud owner to ask him about 
the car, he'll say, "The rest of the car was very decent, but I hadda get 
rid of a set of 275/60-15" BFG's out back and 245/60-15" up front on 
American Racing 5-spokes. Now it's real sweet!"  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:41:09 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: B-body spindle swap site down

Not sure if Chris is still on the list under another addy, but this is a
good question, so I'm forwarding... c.c. your reply to
ccarson2@prodigy.net if you know. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:   "Chris Carson" <ccarson2@prodigy.net>
Subject: B-body spindle swap site down

Hi all,
It seems the greatest how-to of all time for the B-body spindle swap =
went down a while ago, never to be seen again.... and __I__ forgot to =
copy it!!!!!!!!! :( What I refer to is John Carri's walkthrough for =
swapping b-body spindles onto 68-72 A-bodies, previously found here:
http://home.earthlink.net/~cjcarri/brkswap/brkswap.htm

Does anyone know what became of John Carri, or perhaps have a copy of =
the website?
Thanks much
Chris

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 16:47:53 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Can you identify this Olds?

> '67 Delta or Delmont 88.
>
> Joe Varley

- ------------------

Correct on the year, but take a closer look at the roofline, rear doors and
rear wheel cutouts.  It is a 98 post sedan, either an LS or a Town Sedan
that someone enhanced with LS badges on the C pillar.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:35:11 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: More Olds bling-bling

>I know the bling is en vogue and thus the exception may
>become the rule, but personally, I'm sick of 14" steelies,
>Cragars, and Torque Thrusts.  That isn't to say they aren't
>nice looking, practical, or necessary - just somewhat blasé
>in my opinion.

I have no problem with bolt-on bling-bling that can be easily, um, 
bolted-off again later, assuming the owner hasn't lost or sold the original 
parts by then. (I think our own Rick Kromeich scored a set of Rally IIs and 
tires from a neighbor of mine who'd swapped them off his '72 in favor of 
some aftermarket things.)

Personally, if I ever get around to picking up a nice '60s or '70s model 
something-or-other, I may ditch whatever stock wheels it has (i.e. clean 
them and store them away) and replace them with some nice, appropriate, 
retro-looking Cragar S/S wheels or similar. They may be a pain to polish but 
they look... well, "right" on cars of that vintage.

I can't get similarly worked up over a 30-year-old car wearing the latest 
modern stuff; sometimes it looks a little too much like an elderly lady with 
a bad facelift...  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:12:44 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 3800 plastic vacuum block

Still available, in plastic only, from your friendly local GM dealer to the tune of $85.46



FYI  -  GMpartsdirect.com lists this item (part# 24500714) for $48.71 + 
shipping - just in case you do decide to go with a new one.

- -- 
Michael Ecker
Lehigh Acres, Florida
ecker567@comcast.net

1978 Cutlass Supreme - $500 purchase, being slowly fixed up
   (in line for V6-to-403 swap soon, and maybe 200-4R and gears...)

1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - becoming a circle track car
   (bought without title, had Certificate of Destruction so can never
    be re-registered, but will uphold the Oldsmobile name with honor)

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:03:09 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Yet another engine in- 1968 350-2bbl

Hey, I have nearly 30, which I now must move 68 miles.  Its 
habit forming.  Bruce Roe

29 Jun 2004  "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com> writes:

> must... stop... acquiring... engines...

> Chris Witt

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 17:56:33 -0600
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey77@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Dist'r vacuum

To my knowledge, the reason for using a ported vacuum source is so that the
timing can be advanced further when the engine gets too hot in order to cool
it some.  The vacuum porting switch is (at least in my car) a thermal switch
that advances the timing further when the engine gets hot.

John Ramsey
'69 Cutlass 'S'

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Christopher Witt
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:12 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Dist'r vacuum


Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:51:24 -0500
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: RE: new msd

I'm inclined to think that your vacuum advance was intentionally hooked to
manifold/unported vacuum, where it should be, in my opinion.  I've noticed
that alot of people on this list favor a ported source so I'll just leave
this one alone unless someone wants to jaw back and forth about it.
Eric
=============
Most appications I have seen are factory set to use ported vacuum.
However, some, such as 1965 D88, and many of the late 70's HEI setups, call
for dist vacuum to feed directly from the intake manifold.

I am sure the engineers had reasons for choosing one manner or the other.
Both apparently work OK. I prefer the ported vacuum method.
- ----------------------
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:00:07 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: H*lp identifying part?

Not on the list, respond to tjosvold@polar7.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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From:   Greg Tjosvold <tjosvold@polar7.com>
Subject: Help identifying part?

Hi Gang,

I'm more and more convinced that the front seat that came in my 58 Fiesta 
wagon either is out of a later model car or may be reupholstered 
incorrectly over a correct frame.

I'll post a picture of the seat ASAP, but in the mean time can you have a 
look at the power seat switch at http://www.cardiaries.com/oldsmotron/ and 
see if you can identify the year? Not obvious in the picture is that the 
center swivel peg appears to be plastic (or at least painted black).

Thanks in advance for any help you can offer.

'Best,

Nanook

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 18:04:14 -0700 (PDT)
From: Peter Ferraro <petercferraro@yahoo.com>
Subject: Aurora Parts Car

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Can the person parting out the Aurora please contact me off list?
 
thanks
 
Peter Ferraro
1971 Cutlass
1996 Aurora
1998 Bravada
 
OCA# 36530

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:05:53 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: Distributor gear wear problems

OK - I was thinking about this tonight but forget who on the list was 
having problems with excessive distributor wear.

The inner rear oil galley plug (I think the left side one) is supposed 
to have a 0.040" hole in the center to squirt oil on the distributor 
gear when the engine is running.  If your engine was rebuilt just prior 
to starting to have the problems with distributor gears wearing out, is 
it possible that this plug was replaced with a solid plug without the hole?

Just a thought......

- -- 
Michael Ecker
Lehigh Acres, Florida
ecker567@comcast.net

1978 Cutlass Supreme - $500 purchase, being slowly fixed up
   (in line for V6-to-403 swap soon, and maybe 200-4R and gears...)

1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - becoming a circle track car
   (bought without title, had Certificate of Destruction so can never
    be re-registered, but will uphold the Oldsmobile name with honor)

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:47:39 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: B-body spindle swap site down

BAH... Sorry, I have a different email address for the lists and I always
slip up!!!

YES, I'm on the list :) :)

Chris
- ----- Original Message -----

> Not sure if Chris is still on the list under another addy, but this is a
> good question, so I'm forwarding... c.c. your reply to
> ccarson2@prodigy.net if you know.
>

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:14:41 -0400
From: "James Savnik" <j.savnik@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Northern Ohio All Oldsmobile Show and Swap meet

The 21st Annual ALL Oldsmobile Car Show and Swap meet will be held on Sunday
August 8th at the Carnation Mall in Alliance, Ohio.
Because of the final production year of Oldsmobile, there will be NO judging
this year, and everyone registered will receive a commemorative souvenir
plaque co-designed by a student/resident of Geneva,Ohio.
For more info, or to receive a flyer you can e-mail me.
Jim

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 03:20:21 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Eek!  Of Mice and Oldsmobiles....

At 07:58 PM 6/24/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Now what?  Do I start worrying about hantavirus and such?

Dunno bout that.

>Do I look somewhere in particular in the car for a nest?

Have a looksee at yer underhood insulation. My BBA had been parked next to
a wood for a few months when it belonged to the PO, who had asked me to
start it up now and then. One day, I decided to take the BBA to lunch.
Starting it up, this mouse suddenly appeared from under the cowl on top of
the hood. Getting out of the car, I chased the thing off the car and off
into the woods it runs. Then 10 mins later when I stopped at a nearby lake
to eat my samwich, these lil dinky micies started crawling out from under
the rear of the hood. After a few seconds, there were four of the thing on
the hood, looking lost. Getting out of the car, I swept them off the hood,
too, and off into the weeds they go. Popping the hood, I found they'd made
a nice-sized nest outta the right rear corner of the underhood insulation
which was now piled up sorta looking like a bee hive on top of the
heater/AC box  ;o|

You could also find they have built a nest from underdash insulation, or
even under-carpet material.

SteveH

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 21:21:01 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: YZ exh vs. Hooker comps

So, 70 is YZ? Not WZ?

Here is my opinion: I hate headers. Manifolds are easier and you can get 
enough oomph out of a 455 with the stock manifolds. Remember that those 
manifolds are pretty good, probably as good as manifolds can get.

The money you save on the headers (you are talking $600 for the 
ceramicoated version of the hookers) you may be able to spend elsewhere, 
e.g. on a nice exhaust system.

George

71 442 W/Z and not a lame ride!
71 C/S with stock sb manifolds

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 22:24:31 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: YZ exh vs. Hooker comps

> For example, I know what
> Milton will say (improve on the stock version)!


Maybe, and maybe not!


> 1. use the stockers - avoid all the headaches of headers.


If you want your car to be more of a sleeper, then this option could be of
interest. Why? There's a company out there who uses a high pressure honing
slury to power hone the inside of manifolds and heads to increase volume.
I've seen claimed performance increases of from 5 to 15 horsepower by taking
a good set of stock exhaust manifolds, power slury honing them to increase
internal volume, and then running them on a dyno to see what happened. The
best I saw was a set of MOPAR Ram Horn upswept cast iron headers for a
413/426 that were power slury honed produce about a 20 horsepower increase.
I'd bet that a power slury honed set of YZ manifolds could gain 10
horsepower.


> 2. buy a set of new Kooks or Hooker Comps and keep the stock parts


Of course, that would give you 35-40 more horsepower.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 04:39:46 -0500
From: "Nick Dean" <sausageman79@hotmail.com>
Subject: The Delta Returns

Just saw Spiderman 2, and the Delta does make a return cameo.  Apparently
Aunt Mae got the roof and everything repaired after all the mayhem in the
first movie and parked it in front of the house.  Also making appearances
are Bruce Campbell (also of every Sam Raimi film) and Stan Lee.  Oh, and the
movie ain't bad overall either.

Nick Dean
SIU Automotive Technology, Carbondale, IL
'72 Cutlass Supreme (needing some work to get back on the road again)
'88 4Runner (desperately desiring a 350 Rocket!)


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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:37:03 -0500
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: RE: Dist'r vacuum 

What is the logic behind this?

Is it that by having the timing advanced the engine will run cooler or that by advancing the timing, the engine will run at a higher RPM at idle which will turn the fan faster which will cool the engine more?

If a car over heats at 8 degrees initial advance, will it run cooler by setting it to 12 degrees initial advance?  I don't think so.  

    mike

Mike Schlottman
Sr. Systems Administrator
Society of Petroleum Engineers
222 Palisades Creek Drive 
Richardson, TX 75083
972-952-9382


 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: John C. Ramsey [mailto:jramsey77@earthlink.net]
 > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 6:57 PM
 > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 > Subject: RE: Dist'r vacuum
 > 
 > 
 > To my knowledge, the reason for using a ported vacuum source 
 > is so that the
 > timing can be advanced further when the engine gets too hot 
 > in order to cool
 > it some.  The vacuum porting switch is (at least in my car) 
 > a thermal switch
 > that advances the timing further when the engine gets hot.
 > 
 > John Ramsey
 > '69 Cutlass 'S'
 > 
 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
 > [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Christopher Witt
 > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 9:12 AM
 > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
 > Subject: Dist'r vacuum
 > 
 > 
 > Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:51:24 -0500
 > From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
 > Subject: RE: new msd
 > 
 > I'm inclined to think that your vacuum advance was 
 > intentionally hooked to
 > manifold/unported vacuum, where it should be, in my opinion. 
 >  I've noticed
 > that alot of people on this list favor a ported source so 
 > I'll just leave
 > this one alone unless someone wants to jaw back and forth about it.
 > Eric
 > =============
 > Most appications I have seen are factory set to use ported vacuum.
 > However, some, such as 1965 D88, and many of the late 70's 
 > HEI setups, call
 > for dist vacuum to feed directly from the intake manifold.
 > 
 > I am sure the engineers had reasons for choosing one manner 
 > or the other.
 > Both apparently work OK. I prefer the ported vacuum method.
 > ----------------------
 > Chris Witt
 > 1303 W. Miller Rd.
 > Lansing MI 48911
 > 
 > RocketScience442@hotmail.com
 > 
 > Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
 > Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
 > 
 > _________________________________________________________________
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 > 
 > 
 > 
 > 

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 08:53:53 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Dist'r vacuum

I believe it depends on the distributor. I just talked to an olds
performance shop that is near by me and he says the stock 403 distributor I
used on my 455 has way too much advance. Aparently sopme of those smog motor
hei setups can advance up to 50 degrees. This was only one of my problems as
I used the timing plate from my 403 also which is totally different than the
455 plate. It explains why my motor would want to run at around 60 degrees
of advance

Allen Schwartz
A&L Enterprises
mycj@tds.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:12 AM
Subject: Dist'r vacuum


> Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 20:51:24 -0500
> From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
> Subject: RE: new msd
>
> I'm inclined to think that your vacuum advance was intentionally hooked to
> manifold/unported vacuum, where it should be, in my opinion.  I've noticed
> that alot of people on this list favor a ported source so I'll just leave
> this one alone unless someone wants to jaw back and forth about it.
> Eric
> =============
> Most appications I have seen are factory set to use ported vacuum.
> However, some, such as 1965 D88, and many of the late 70's HEI setups,
call
> for dist vacuum to feed directly from the intake manifold.
>
> I am sure the engineers had reasons for choosing one manner or the other.
> Both apparently work OK. I prefer the ported vacuum method.
> ----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Make the most of your family vacation with tips from the MSN Family Travel
> Guide! http://dollar.msn.com
>

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2004 11:33:04 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: World's smallest Olds crank

has gotten 785 lookers so far

Could sell quite a few of them if they were available....
- ----------------------
Chris Witt

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