
oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, July 29 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4968



Overhaulin' '68 442 - whole episode
RE: 65 numbers matching - or not?
RE: Overhaulin' '68 442 - whole episode
RE: 65 numbers matching - or not?
442 Poster is Finished
63 Cutlass
Re: TH350 upshift adjustment
Re: 442 Poster is Finished
RE: Woodward
Chip Foose fans
Re: OverHaulin!
The Fast Lane
Re: Overhaulin' '68 442 - whole episode
Re: Overhaulin' '68 442 - whole episode
Re: Overhaulin' '68 442 - whole episode
Re: 1991 Cutlass Supreme Brake Problem - ck codes, wheel sensors
Re: The Fast Lane

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 18:10:34 -0400
From: "Daniel R. Gerow" <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: Overhaulin' '68 442 - whole episode

All,

Here ya go:

http://megatron.stonehill.edu/video/overhaulin_68442.wmv

The whole episode sans commercials if you care to watch it again, or for the
first time.
Runtime: 44:30 - 368 Kbps stream, so a broadband connection (or a lot of
patience) *really* helps.
If anyone wants to download it to their computer, the file is approximately
120 MB in size, just don't sell it for profit :)
Windows Media player required.

 ~ Dan "would let Chip Foose do just about anything he wanted to my car"
Gerow

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
'70 W-31 Post 4spd
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:56:28 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: 65 numbers matching - or not?

> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:37:45 -0400
> From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> Subject: 65 numbers matching - or not?

snip

> Prefix Letter - 6 digit number - Suffix Letter [or lack thereof]
> 
> Our 1966 442 head is V 108137 T = V for 442 application 400 
> engine, T suffix for Tri-power

So, Mr. Witt, possessor of great knowledge (and possibly a secret decoder 
ring), what would the head stamping (see I paid attention) on my '67 400 
tell you? Specifically, what would the suffix letter mean?

V 217039 G

Always eager to learn more.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:39:49 -0400
From: "Chris Urban" <urbanch@ca.inter.net>
Subject: RE: Overhaulin' '68 442 - whole episode

Hey that's great now is the Horse Power TV Cutlass rebuild also available
somewhere on line?
 

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Daniel R. Gerow
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:11 PM
To: Olds List
Subject: Overhaulin' '68 442 - whole episode

All,

Here ya go:

http://megatron.stonehill.edu/video/overhaulin_68442.wmv

The whole episode sans commercials if you care to watch it again, or for the
first time.
Runtime: 44:30 - 368 Kbps stream, so a broadband connection (or a lot of
patience) *really* helps.
If anyone wants to download it to their computer, the file is approximately
120 MB in size, just don't sell it for profit :) Windows Media player
required.

 ~ Dan "would let Chip Foose do just about anything he wanted to my car"
Gerow

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
'70 W-31 Post 4spd
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:54:30 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: 65 numbers matching - or not?

Don't mean to steal Chris' thunder, but the 400 ci 442 engines start with
the following numbers by year:
'65 V010001
'66 V100001 (with T suffix on Tri-Carbs)
'67 V200002 G (all 442s have G suffix, Turnpike Cruiser 400s had no suffix)

So your engine was built later in the model year.


Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Schopen, Kenneth
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 6:56 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: 65 numbers matching - or not?
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:37:45 -0400
> > From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: 65 numbers matching - or not?
>
> snip
>
> > Prefix Letter - 6 digit number - Suffix Letter [or lack thereof]
> >
> > Our 1966 442 head is V 108137 T = V for 442 application 400
> > engine, T suffix for Tri-power
>
> So, Mr. Witt, possessor of great knowledge (and possibly a secret decoder
> ring), what would the head stamping (see I paid attention) on my '67 400
> tell you? Specifically, what would the suffix letter mean?
>
> V 217039 G
>
> Always eager to learn more.
>
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> Phoenix, AZ
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 21:38:11 -0500
From: "Doug Newman" <newmand@oldsgmail.com>
Subject: 442 Poster is Finished

Hi All, 

Brad Bishop's 442 lineage poster has been wrapped up and sent to the
printer.  The final image contains 28 cars, with a convertible and a
hardtop shown for 1964-1972.  (It actually has three '70 models
represented to keep the symmetry correct.)  The only models missing are
1974 and 1979, but every other year is shown.  He wound up with 117
entries to choose from.  There's talk of doing an H/O poster in the
future, but I don't know exactly when Brad is going to tackle that
particular project.  He spent a lot of late nights working on this one.

The 442 poster will be 24 x 36" and suitable for framing.  They'll be
available for sale at the OCA Nationals in Minneapolis August 25 - 28,
and you can also pre-order them from Ralph Gaines on the OCA merchandise
website at http://carcrazymerchandise.com/442post.html.  Ralph is a good
guy to deal with, and he'll ship them out as soon as the initial order
is received from the printer.   They turned out extremely nice.

Later, 


Doug Newman                  1987 442              OCA # 30311
Columbus, MS                    

http://store.oldsgmail.com                             The Store    
http://newmand.oldsgmail.com                       My Home Page  

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 23:42:37 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: 63 Cutlass

Another 63 Cutlass freak!  I drove those 1/3 million 
miles, putting up with single drum brakes, shaking 
drive shafts, hydramatic, points ignition, and weak 
front suspension.  But when I couldn't get 96 octane 
leaded that didn't ping, I gave up and found some cars 
with 403s that ran fine on crap.   Bruce Roe

28 Jul 2004  Alan Friedrich <jetfire63@yahoo.com> writes:

> Alan
> 
> 
> 63 Cutlass Convertible, 4v, 4 speed, dualed 
> 63 Cutlass 2 door post 4v, 4 speed 
> 63 Cutlass 2 door post 2V, Auto on floor, factory air 
> 63 Cutlass 4 door 2v, Auto on column 
> 63 Jetfire 2 door hardtop, (needs turbo) 
> 63 Cutlass Wagon and other 63 Cutlass / F-85 parts cars (WANTED)
> 63 Dynamic 88 Fiesta wagon

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 01:18:26 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: TH350 upshift adjustment

Michael

> "go to your local Chevy dealer and order the entire governor assembly for
a '69 Z-28 Camaro with a TH350"
>
> Milton, you wouldn't still happen to have that part#, would you?


Unfortunately, no. After my Mother died in '82, I brought her Impala to
Arizona. After about a year, I went to Watson Chevy and found the governor
still listed. I bought it and installed it, but the receipt is long gone. I
wish I had the foresight to remove it when the car was junked in the
mid-'90s, but I didn't think of it at the time.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 06:42:13 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
From: Jay Britt <jbritt67@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: 442 Poster is Finished

Very nice poster. Good job.

- -----Original Message-----
Brad Bishop's 442 lineage poster has been wrapped up and sent to the
printer.  The final image contains 28 cars, with a convertible and a
hardtop shown for 1964-1972.  (It actually has three '70 models
represented to keep the symmetry correct.)  The only models missing are
1974 and 1979, but every other year is shown.  He wound up with 117
entries to choose from.  There's talk of doing an H/O poster in the
future, but I don't know exactly when Brad is going to tackle that
particular project.  He spent a lot of late nights working on this one.

The 442 poster will be 24 x 36" and suitable for framing.  They'll be
available for sale at the OCA Nationals in Minneapolis August 25 - 28,
and you can also pre-order them from Ralph Gaines on the OCA merchandise
website at http://carcrazymerchandise.com/442post.html.  Ralph is a good
guy to deal with, and he'll ship them out as soon as the initial order
is received from the printer.   They turned out extremely nice.

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:48:12 -0400
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Woodward

Was at a Motor City Rockets meeting a few weeks ago and they said all the
spots were taken.  There is a waiting list.  Also, you do have to be a MCR
member (on top of your OCA membership).

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI


- -----Original Message-----
From: Scott G. [mailto:boiler77_81@yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 4:06 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: Woodward


If you are a member of the OCA you may still be able to get a parking place
with the Motor City Rockets (local Olds club). See the website at
www.motorcityrockets.com
Having a place to park is a big deal. The cruise during Saturday is really a
very slow crawl. Parking your car and walking Woodward is the best way to
see the action.

Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com> wrote:
Saturday, August 21st (but cruisers will be out from Sunday the week before)

Check out the site:

http://www.woodwarddreamcruise.com/2004/

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI


> -----Original Message-----
> From: SSpuehler@aol.com [mailto:SSpuehler@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 2:09 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Woodward
> 
> 
> Does anyone know when the Woodward Dream Cruise is this year?
> 
> I'll be driving there in my 83 Hurst/Olds.
> 
> Hope to see you guys there.
> 



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New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages!

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:53:58 -0400
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: Chip Foose fans

If anybody is looking for one of those cool Chip Foose t-shirts that you see
some of the guys wearing, check out:

http://www.chipfoose.com/detail.aspx?CatID=21&id=46

Mine just came in the mail yesterday (I just have to have things that you
don't see everywhere) - good quality, signature on the sleeve and not seen
in Michigan.

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI


>  ~ Dan "would let Chip Foose do just about anything he wanted to my car"
Gerow

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 08:04:37 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: OverHaulin!

Don't have cable, so I didn't get to watch the show (in fact, one of 
the reasons that I don't have cable is because I'd sit and watch all 
the gearhead and racing shows, not to mention other interesting stuff 
on Dicovery, TLC, Speed, etc.), but the car is on the website now.
I can live with the color, though I'd prefer one or the other, I think. 
Sound system looks nice. I like the wheels - I'd say those were at 
least 17" wheels, but Milton will be happy to know hat they're 
available in 15". $1350, though! I personally prefer the larger wheels 
and low-profile tires myself, within reason. 20's are too big for 
almost any car, and some trucks. Bigger than that is just stupid. There 
was a G-body Cutlass in my neighborhod the other day - looked nice, 
except it had, like, 22" wheels on it, similar to what's been posted 
before. Bleah!
I noticed that they gave him a console and buckets, but left the column 
shifter - that was silly - but I *love* the seats! That's exactly what 
I want to do: racing-style buckets reupholstered in the (in my case) 
'70 pattern. I want mine to match my rear seat, but I also want it all 
in fabric (leather in TX heat = ouchie!) Interesting to note that they 
gave him the power doors, but left manual windows. And what the h*ll is 
up with the Chevelle SS steering wheel with a Hurst emblem in it?
The stance of the car is perfect! That's exactly where I want mine - in 
fact, that's where the left front corner is sitting now, sing the front 
spring snapped last Thursday... :(
(That little incident just pushed up my "big brake/tall spindle" 
conversion, since I'm not going to take the thing apart without 
replacing all the worn-out bits, which means new springs, ball joints, 
bushings, and tie rod ends anyway. While I'm under there, 
"mightaswell"!)
Overall, I like the car - but I would be concerned about the electrical 
system, based on others comments.
BTW - all the website has is picture. No details, or even text. Pretty 
disappointing, really.

krw

On Jul 28, 2004, at 4:36 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:33:50 -0500
> From: "JBS" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: OverHaulin!
>
> agreed.... for some reason this episode was not as in depth as to what 
> was
> going on with the car on the details side of things,
>
> I have a feeling it was not "officially" finished...
>
>
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 2:54 AM
> Subject: Re: OverHaulin!
>
>
>>> But they did seem more impressed with
>>> the 442 than they have previous cars, and they (Chris and Courtney)
> seemed
>> to
>>> have more respect for the car as a musclecar icon,
>>
>>
>> Except Courtney was an idiot and kept saying "Four Forty-Two" instead 
>> of
> the
>> correct designation of "Four Four Two." *Everyone* else on the program
> said
>> it correctly, "Four Four Two."
>>
>>
>>> even if they didn't respect
>>> the car itself by driving it so hard it overheated.
>>
>>
>> That was *no* respect for someone else's car.
>>
>> Also, I distinctly heard Chris talk about a new exhaust system, but we
> never
>> saw what they did. What did they do to the engine? All we saw was a
> complete
>> wash job and an electrical system that wouldn't work.
>>
>> I simply don't like 16" and bigger wheels. I want taller sidewalls 
>> for the
>> street, and I just don't like the looks of those way too big in 
>> diameter
>> wheels. 15" diameter wheels are what I like. Actually, the 
>> Centerlines the
>> owner originally had on his car looked fine. I wouldn't have changed 
>> them.
>>
>> I was hoping to see more of what Baer was doing to the brakes and
> Hotchkiss
>> was doing to the suspension, but it was only mentioned, and we didn't 
>> see
>> any real details. Instead, way too much time was spent on the social
>> interaction of the participants and the con-game run on the car's 
>> owner.
>>
>> Milton Schick
>> 1964 442 Cutlass
>> imp@theriver.com
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:55:12 -0400
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: The Fast Lane

Barron's Online article: The Fast Lane, about skyrocketing 60s and 70s
muscle car prices and *not* without mentioning our beloved Olds!

Check it out:

http://www.bigcoupe.com/misc/Barrons071904.pdf

 ~ Dan

- -------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
- -------------------------------------

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 14:42:32 -0600
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Overhaulin' '68 442 - whole episode

Daniel R. Gerow wrote:

> Here ya go:
> 
> http://megatron.stonehill.edu/video/overhaulin_68442.wmv

Thanks Dan.

Is it socially acceptable to prefer the "before" car to the "after" car?
- -- 

Cliff "Pimp this Overhaulin!" Simpson
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:45:54 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Overhaulin' '68 442 - whole episode

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My first inclination would be to sue! :)

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 16:58:52 -0400
From: "Daniel R. Gerow" <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: Re: Overhaulin' '68 442 - whole episode

From: "Cliff Simpson" <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
> > Here ya go:
> >
> > http://megatron.stonehill.edu/video/overhaulin_68442.wmv
>
> Thanks Dan.

Welcome!

>
> Is it socially acceptable to prefer the "before" car to the "after" car?

That, sir, is a dangerous question.  :)  But I'll take "after" for $1000 or
in this case free, Alex.

  ~ Dan

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
'70 W-31 Post 4spd
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 17:14:21 -0400
From: "w-machines" <w-machines@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 1991 Cutlass Supreme Brake Problem - ck codes, wheel sensors

if it turns out to be the pump itself, I have one off a 94 Supreme.  regards
Mark
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Cc: <jetfire63@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: 1991 Cutlass Supreme Brake Problem - ck codes, wheel sensors


> From: Alan Friedrich <jetfire63@yahoo.com>
> Subject: 1991 Cutlass Supreme Brake Problem
>
> - --0-1139799371-1091021066=:20683
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> I need the expertise of you fellow lister. My step-daughter asked me to
take
> a
> look at her car because the Anti-lock brake pump? runs all the time unless
> she
> pulls the fuse. I checked the brakes on all four corners and replaced the
> rear
> pads and rotors which were badly worn. Now I need to know what might cause
> the
> pump to run all the time.
> I sure would rather be working on my '63's
> Thanks.
> Alan
> ==============
> scan it for codes
> chances are a wheel sensor is bad, or the wires leading to it are flexed
to
> death. Codes might direct you to the exact wheel. Visual inspection at
chafe
> points and flex points will probably readily detect the problem. Look at
the
> connectors, too, for broken wires or weathering inside.
>
> ----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search!
> http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/
>
>

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Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2004 19:46:10 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: The Fast Lane

So #1 on his list is: a "'69-'72 Olds Cutlass 4-4-2".

I was excited at first to see a pic of a red '69 that greatly resembled my
'68, except of course that it wasn't as handsome. ;-) But then his
recommendation leaves *out* the '68? Wha..?

I'll be charitable and say it was a typo. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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