
oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, July 21 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4958



UNBOUNCE: '69 Cutlass conv, '68 Supreme's FS
Re: horn cap p/n 399332
Re: New convertible top (DYI installation)
Re: '65 442 shifters
Starfire/Cutlass Steering Wheels (Was Re: horn cap p/n 399332)
Re: '65 442 shifters
Re; '67 Supreme shifter plate.
Carburetor options...
Fw: Carburetor options...
Re: '65 442 shifters
Re: Starfire/Cutlass Steering Wheels (Was Re: horn cap p/n 399332)
RE: Starfire/Cutlass Steering Wheels (Was Re: horn cap p/n 399332)
Chicago - Atlantic City parts run
RE: '65 442 shifters, and other years.
RE: Can you identify this Olds?
RE: Fuel gone upon shutdown? 66-442 L69
RE: VIN derivative stampings
RE: SX options, etc.
TV Alert: Overhaulin' July 27
Re: TV Alert: Overhaulin' July 27
Re: TV Alert: Overhaulin' July 27
Re: TV Alert: Overhaulin' July 27
Overhaulin' Oldsmobile

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:56:06 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '69 Cutlass conv, '68 Supreme's FS

Mike's having trouble posting... forwarding.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:   "Mike & Lynnette Bloomer" <bloomer@bellsouth.net>
Subject: '69 Cutlass conv, '68 Supreme's FS

*out of lurk mode*

Please respond to my work email mbloomer@amtico.com will be out of =
office tomorrow, but will try to check in and respond in evening.

Due to a pending divorce, I am forced to sell my fleet of Oldsmobiles.  =
None of them are perfect (far from it) but all are solid southern cars.  =
Some may remember me from the list when I was quite active (about 5 =
years ago).  The list below is all the vehicles for sale with a brief =
description of the current condition, and hopefully, I won't be forced =
to part them out.  Would prefer to sell as a lot but will split up to =
good foster homes.  Can email jpg of all or part.  Cars are located in =
Bostwick, Georgia which shouldn't really classify as a city, but is just =
south of Athens.

1.    '69 Cutlass S convertible - 350 2v (#'s match), TH350, 12 bolt "O" =
rearend (open, 2.73 gears), SSI wheels, buckets, console, floor shift, =
pwr top, p/s, p/b, a/c, fact am/fm.  Was good driver that sat in pine =
grove in Georgia for several years.  Was disassembled to do mild resto =
that went wild.  Front half of frame POR-15'd, body bushings/front =
suspension rebuilt.  Have bought approx $6K in parts from Year One, most =
still in boxes (basically everything to do the car except colored =
interior, top, chrome, and paint job)

2.    '68 Cutlass Supreme Holiday Coupe - very early car (4700 vin) that =
has some unusual details unlike any other '68 I have seen.  350 2v (#'s =
match block), Jetaway 2spd, 12 bolt "O" rearend (open, 2.73 gears), SSII =
wheels (14's front, 15's rear), buckets, console, floor shift, p/s, p/b, =
convertible frame fully stripped and detailed, whole body undercoated, =
front end rebuilt, HEI conversion, has incorrect 3A heads due to =
previous owner but have correct 5 head to put on, converted to a/c =
pulleys and have parts to convert rest to a/c.  Was totaled aprox 3 yrs =
ago, hit front left.  Had previously been collapsed on pass side rocker =
and door.  Rocker/door replaced, body squared, and conv frame installed. =
 Motor needs freeze plugs from sitting, but runs and drives.  Have not =
yet reinstalled r/s fender, hood, or headlights/grille/bumper on front.  =
See pics before wreck at http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/68.htm =
(pics are about 5 yrs old).

3.    '68 Cutlass Supreme Holiday Coupe - 350 4v (#'s match, factory =
high comp), Jetaway 2spd, 12 bolt "O" rearend (open, 2.73 gears), SSII =
wheels (15's), bench seat w/fold down armrest, p/s, p/b, a/c, rear =
defroster, converted to F body discs, headers.  Body somewhat rough but =
car is entirely complete.  A/C is all there but never been charged.  =
Engine had performance rebuild before I purchased as partial basket case =
(real strong but stifled by stock trans/converter/gear).  In primer with =
some surface rust where primer has gotten thin.  Hit deer with front and =
minor damage to right fender, grille broken, hood bent severely, core =
support somewhat bent where grille attaches.  Car has been my backup to =
my daily driver for past 5 yrs and has never let me down but does =
require premium gas. See pics when I bought it 5yrs ago at =
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/68_2.htm .

4.    '68 Cutlass S Holiday Coupe - Parts car, been raped of frame, =
right rocker and door, floors are rotted out, shell is intact and =
rolling on bent frame from car #2.  No engine/trans, but does have the =
rare 12 bolt "O" rearend (open, 2.73 gears).  Glass and interior are all =
there (bench, column shift), was bought from rapist who welded in cheby =
motor/trans (literally!) and hacked up until motor developed rod knock.  =
He thought the "S" stood for Supreme, some peoples children....

That's the whole lot, let me know if your interested.

Mike Bloomer
http://members.tripod.com/CutlassFreak/

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 06:32:45 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: horn cap p/n 399332

> Interesting. Mine is a 4-spoke wheel. I'm not sure what you mean by "big
car
> 4 sport wheels".

I meant "big car sport wheels."   The Cutlass 4 spoke sport wheel was
factory installed on some Delta 88's in the '70's, notably the '77 pace car
replica.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:57:57 -0400
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: New convertible top (DYI installation)

Tim.....my advice to you is to talk with a shop that does this sort of
thing...most guys dont mind sharing tips....I have done this with the things
I have done to my car that I had never done before!

Good luck and keep us posted!

Tami

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 09:41:46 -0400
From: "Mike Stilwell" <Fleetsuper@msn.com>
Subject: Re: '65 442 shifters

Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:01:50 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
>
> I have a '65 442 Muncie shifter.  There is more
> of a curve to the handle than I remember them
> having.  Is there more than one type?  Like for
> bench seats and bucket seats?
- --------------------------------------------------

I'm several digests behind and have not read every message, but I did not
see an answer to this post.

65 manual shifters were a one year only part, like many parts on the 65
Cutlass/442.  Contrary to popular opinion, they did not have a Hurst
shifter. (When I first started my research, I too thought they were Hurst
shifters) While many folks swapped a Hurst into their 65's after having a
hard time finding a correct shifter, the 65's did not originally come with
Hurst shifters.

There were two different bends for an original 65 shifter, one for a bucket
seat car, and one for a bench seat car.  I've heard some folks say there is
a third, one for a bucket seat car without a console, but I have never been
able to get a straight answer on that one.  All I've seen and researched
have just the two, bench or bucket.  The bench shifter is a little taller
than a bucket shifter, making the bend higher up on the handle.

One can easily spot an original 65 shifter by the way the shift handle
attaches to the shifter.  The shifter body has two ¼ studs that come
straight up, and the shifter handle has a flange welded to the bottom so it
can bolt up to the body. The handle is more rounded and not flat like a
Hurst shifters, and there is no "H" or "Hurst" on the handle, just the
"442".

Now, I've never gotten the answer as to what year uses what Hurst shifters.
Some 442 Hurst shifters come with the "442", and just an "H", others have
the "442" and the word; "HURST".  There hasn't been an agreement if the 66 &
67 442's used the "H" shifter, and the 68 on up use the "HURST" shifter.
Some say yes, others say they are mixed up.  But that's for another
discussion.

Mike Stilwell  OCA #13273
President - Capitol City Rockets
http://www.bigmikes442.com

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:43:52 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Starfire/Cutlass Steering Wheels (Was Re: horn cap p/n 399332)

In a message dated 7/19/04 9:04:43 PM Central Daylight Time, 
fsnissen@worldnet.att.net writes:
- -- The horn cap, horn contact and wheel hub are the same.  The wheel itself 
is smaller in diameter and has a different stitching pattern.  The Starfire 
also had a color matched wheel rim while the Cutlass and big car 4 sport wheels 
from '70-'77 all had a black rim. --

Fred,

Thanks for the info!  I've noticed that Gm used the same wheel hub (same bolt 
pattern to the steering wheel itself with slightly different contours) on 
several cars -- I found a Corvette leather-wrapped wheel in a used parts place 
without the hub, just the rim.  It's a 3-spoke, so there's a portion of the hub 
that would have to be scalloped out so it would fit right but the bolt pattern 
is the same.  I also found what is probably a Cutlass 4-spoke wheel (black, 
haven't compared it to the Starfire wheels) and had someone mill me an adapter 
so I could use it in my "roundy-round" cars with the detachable wheel hub -- 
it really looks good in Grace when the interior's all buttoned up!

Take Care,
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:52:33 EDT
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: '65 442 shifters

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Mike is correct in stating that the 65's didn't have Hurst shifters. The 
original Muncies were notoriously balky and flimsy (after about 4 or 5 years mine 
wouldn't go into reverse because of a broken part) prompting me to go to a 
Hurst (which was adjustable). Been workin fine ever since.
                                                        Ron Forsee
                                                        65-442 Shifty Kind of 
Guy

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:24:23 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Re; '67 Supreme shifter plate.

The flat area on the shifter plate is painted a crackle black color. The 
car spent it's whole life in southern CA until spring 2003, so the chrome 
on the console had some pitting.  A filed the pits, bead blasted the area 
to rough it up, and painted it.  Looks much better than pits, and nobody at 
shows has said anything.

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:06:57 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Carburetor options...

All,

Ok, I think I've finally got to get off my lazy butt and do something about
my carburetor for the 1972 455, which is bone stock in a 1972 Olds 98, said
motor which will eventually be hauled out and be put in my 1979 Olds
Calais.  Motor will remain stock, or near stock (going to HEI, very mild
cam, etc).


Now a few things were going through my mind.

First and foremost, I was considering getting the carburetor I have
rebuilt.  It right now runs too lean no matter how I adjust it.

Ok, I know, I should REALLY check for vacuum leaks first.  I'll probably
get to that before I make my final decision.  Worst case, I'll see if I can
borrow a known good 4-bbl from someone.

Secondly, I was thinking of going with an off-the-shelf rebuild.  I
currently work at an Autozone, and have noticed some carbs, ranging from
$130 to $300+ for replacements.  The cheap one is by Champion, though I'm
assuming that this is NOT the same company that makes the spark plugs
(doesn't have that logo).

Finally, I was considering a new one.  Are they available?  I think someone
mentioned that Edelbrock now makes the Rochester carbs?  Or do I go with a
non-Rochester?

Basically I'm looking for decent fuel economy, clean emissions, and good
bottom-end response.  I would be happy I think with a totally bone-stock
original, but if there's something that can improve on things without any
downsides, so much the better!


Thoughts, suggestions?  All responses are apperciated!  Thanks in advance.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

PS: I admit that going FI was crossing my mind, but I think I'll wait on
that until well after this engine's gotten into the Calais.

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:27:20 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Fw: Carburetor options...

Matias Maciej L. Raniewicz
Trade 2000 Tour Op & Travel Agency
Paseo Las Palmas 2225 Local 211, Metro Los Leones, Santiago, Chile
travelchile@manquehue.net, www.southoftheworld.net
Fax: 56 2 3331165, Telefono Central: 56 2 3689411
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
To: "Joe Vahabzadeh" <king_v@mindless.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 2:26 PM
Subject: Re: Carburetor options...


> Joe, do you sell by mail? Through the Autozone, I mean?
> MAtt
> 81CS
> Matias Maciej L. Raniewicz
> Trade 2000 Tour Op & Travel Agency
> Paseo Las Palmas 2225 Local 211, Metro Los Leones, Santiago, Chile
> travelchile@manquehue.net, www.southoftheworld.net
> Fax: 56 2 3331165, Telefono Central: 56 2 3689411
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Joe Vahabzadeh" <king_v@mindless.com>
> To: <oldsgmail@spots.ab.ca>; <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 2:06 PM
> Subject: Carburetor options...
>
>
> > All,
> >
> > Ok, I think I've finally got to get off my lazy butt and do something
> about
> > my carburetor for the 1972 455, which is bone stock in a 1972 Olds 98,
> said
> > motor which will eventually be hauled out and be put in my 1979 Olds
> > Calais.  Motor will remain stock, or near stock (going to HEI, very mild
> > cam, etc).
> >
> >
> > Now a few things were going through my mind.
> >
> > First and foremost, I was considering getting the carburetor I have
> > rebuilt.  It right now runs too lean no matter how I adjust it.
> >
> > Ok, I know, I should REALLY check for vacuum leaks first.  I'll probably
> > get to that before I make my final decision.  Worst case, I'll see if I
> can
> > borrow a known good 4-bbl from someone.
> >
> > Secondly, I was thinking of going with an off-the-shelf rebuild.  I
> > currently work at an Autozone, and have noticed some carbs, ranging from
> > $130 to $300+ for replacements.  The cheap one is by Champion, though
I'm
> > assuming that this is NOT the same company that makes the spark plugs
> > (doesn't have that logo).
> >
> > Finally, I was considering a new one.  Are they available?  I think
> someone
> > mentioned that Edelbrock now makes the Rochester carbs?  Or do I go with
a
> > non-Rochester?
> >
> > Basically I'm looking for decent fuel economy, clean emissions, and good
> > bottom-end response.  I would be happy I think with a totally bone-stock
> > original, but if there's something that can improve on things without
any
> > downsides, so much the better!
> >
> >
> > Thoughts, suggestions?  All responses are apperciated!  Thanks in
advance.
> >
> > - Joe Vahabzadeh
> >
> > PS: I admit that going FI was crossing my mind, but I think I'll wait on
> > that until well after this engine's gotten into the Calais.
>

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:04:54 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: '65 442 shifters

Mike stated the situation for GM shifters precisely. That's the way we saw
it at the speed shop. The more rounded handle shifters were referred to as
GM corporate shifters. The Hurst shifters made for GM were not the same as a
Hurst Competition Plus shifter bought from a speed shop. GM couldn't and
wouldn't afford that. The GM furnished Hurst shifter was mostly cosmetic and
wasn't as strong as a real Hurst Competition Plus 4-speed shifter.
Basically, the GM Hurst simply employed a flat shifter handle, but it did
not attach the same way that a Competition Plus handle attached. The shifter
bodies and the linkage design was also different between the two, with the
Hurst Competition Plus being far stronger.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Stilwell" <Fleetsuper@msn.com>
To: "Oldsmobile" <Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 6:41 AM
Subject: Re: '65 442 shifters


> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:01:50 -0400
> From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
> >
> > I have a '65 442 Muncie shifter.  There is more
> > of a curve to the handle than I remember them
> > having.  Is there more than one type?  Like for
> > bench seats and bucket seats?
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> I'm several digests behind and have not read every message, but I did not
> see an answer to this post.
>
> 65 manual shifters were a one year only part, like many parts on the 65
> Cutlass/442.  Contrary to popular opinion, they did not have a Hurst
> shifter. (When I first started my research, I too thought they were Hurst
> shifters) While many folks swapped a Hurst into their 65's after having a
> hard time finding a correct shifter, the 65's did not originally come with
> Hurst shifters.
>
> There were two different bends for an original 65 shifter, one for a
bucket
> seat car, and one for a bench seat car.  I've heard some folks say there
is
> a third, one for a bucket seat car without a console, but I have never
been
> able to get a straight answer on that one.  All I've seen and researched
> have just the two, bench or bucket.  The bench shifter is a little taller
> than a bucket shifter, making the bend higher up on the handle.
>
> One can easily spot an original 65 shifter by the way the shift handle
> attaches to the shifter.  The shifter body has two ¼ studs that come
> straight up, and the shifter handle has a flange welded to the bottom so
it
> can bolt up to the body. The handle is more rounded and not flat like a
> Hurst shifters, and there is no "H" or "Hurst" on the handle, just the
> "442".
>
> Now, I've never gotten the answer as to what year uses what Hurst
shifters.
> Some 442 Hurst shifters come with the "442", and just an "H", others have
> the "442" and the word; "HURST".  There hasn't been an agreement if the 66
&
> 67 442's used the "H" shifter, and the 68 on up use the "HURST" shifter.
> Some say yes, others say they are mixed up.  But that's for another
> discussion.
>
> Mike Stilwell  OCA #13273
> President - Capitol City Rockets
> http://www.bigmikes442.com

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:36:54 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Starfire/Cutlass Steering Wheels (Was Re: horn cap p/n 399332)

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 KS7RACING@aol.com wrote:

> Thanks for the info!  I've noticed that Gm used the same wheel hub (same
> bolt pattern to the steering wheel itself with slightly different
> contours) on several cars -- I found a Corvette leather-wrapped wheel in
> a used parts place without the hub, just the rim. 

Actually, I think GM used the same wheel on a lot of cars. Joe Varley's
mention that his '67 was sporting a wheel from a Skylark with an Olds cap
made me look around ebay for possibilities to replace the standard wheel
on my '68. There are a few on there that look awfully similar to a '68
sport wheel, but with slight differences - a Ch*vy wood rim wheel (with
what I believe is a different faux-wood material on the rim) and an
interesting Skylark 3-spoke wheel that has a tan plastic or rubber rim,
but which otherwise looks like the '68 wheel in terms of spokes. If I
could find one of the in black that might be an option, since '68 Olds
woodrim wheels are priced outtasight.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:47:32 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Starfire/Cutlass Steering Wheels (Was Re: horn cap p/n 399332)

All of the 1969-72 GM A-body cars (and I think maybe even the B & C body
cars) used the same steering columns, the only exception being tilt or
non-tilt. So, pretty much any wheel from any GM A-Body car from those years
will fit any other GM A-Body car from those years (and maybe even B/C body).

I have a 4-spoke wheel with an Olds cap. I'm wondering if it's an Olds sport
wheel. My guess is "probably". I'll upload a pic and send the URL.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----

Actually, I think GM used the same wheel on a lot of cars. Joe Varley's
mention that his '67 was sporting a wheel from a Skylark with an Olds cap
made me look around ebay for possibilities to replace the standard wheel
on my '68. There are a few on there that look awfully similar to a '68
sport wheel, but with slight differences - a Ch*vy wood rim wheel (with
what I believe is a different faux-wood material on the rim) and an
interesting Skylark 3-spoke wheel that has a tan plastic or rubber rim,
but which otherwise looks like the '68 wheel in terms of spokes. If I
could find one of the in black that might be an option, since '68 Olds
woodrim wheels are priced outtasight.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 17:32:42 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Chicago - Atlantic City parts run

Hey list,

I am going from Chicago to Atlantic City on Friday with an empty 4 X 8 trailer
to pick up some of Gene Gatti's treasures.  If some one needs something brought
that way, let me know ASAP.  I will be busy ll day Thursday, another reson for a
speedy response.

I plan on making the best time possible, so directly along that line of travel
would be best . Also my wife will be along so I have to be civilized.  : - )

Steve K.

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:31:19 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: '65 442 shifters, and other years.

I have not been able to post for about a week, so I hope this gets through!
Mike, there was actually a Husrt shifter in '65.  In Feb of '65, Olds
introduced the rather obscure heavy duty 3 speed manual (yes, the F*rd one)
transmission, and it came with the floor shift Hurst transmission.
'66 forward, all heavy duty 3-speed and 4-speed trans came with Hurst
shifters, all 442s came with "442" abd "H" on the handle, and allelse had
just the "H".  The yop of the handle is different in '66; '67 and up are the
same at least theugh '69.  No factory Olds shifter says "Hurst" on it.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Mike Stilwell
> Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 8:42 AM
> To: Oldsmobile
> Subject: Re: '65 442 shifters
>
>
> Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:01:50 -0400
> From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
> >
> > I have a '65 442 Muncie shifter.  There is more
> > of a curve to the handle than I remember them
> > having.  Is there more than one type?  Like for
> > bench seats and bucket seats?
> --------------------------------------------------
>
> I'm several digests behind and have not read every message, but I did not
> see an answer to this post.
>
> 65 manual shifters were a one year only part, like many parts on the 65
> Cutlass/442.  Contrary to popular opinion, they did not have a Hurst
> shifter. (When I first started my research, I too thought they were Hurst
> shifters) While many folks swapped a Hurst into their 65's after having a
> hard time finding a correct shifter, the 65's did not originally come with
> Hurst shifters.
>
> There were two different bends for an original 65 shifter, one
> for a bucket
> seat car, and one for a bench seat car.  I've heard some folks
> say there is
> a third, one for a bucket seat car without a console, but I have
> never been
> able to get a straight answer on that one.  All I've seen and researched
> have just the two, bench or bucket.  The bench shifter is a little taller
> than a bucket shifter, making the bend higher up on the handle.
>
> One can easily spot an original 65 shifter by the way the shift handle
> attaches to the shifter.  The shifter body has two ¼ studs that come
> straight up, and the shifter handle has a flange welded to the
> bottom so it
> can bolt up to the body. The handle is more rounded and not flat like a
> Hurst shifters, and there is no "H" or "Hurst" on the handle, just the
> "442".
>
> Now, I've never gotten the answer as to what year uses what Hurst
> shifters.
> Some 442 Hurst shifters come with the "442", and just an "H", others have
> the "442" and the word; "HURST".  There hasn't been an agreement
> if the 66 &
> 67 442's used the "H" shifter, and the 68 on up use the "HURST" shifter.
> Some say yes, others say they are mixed up.  But that's for another
> discussion.
>
> Mike Stilwell  OCA #13273
> President - Capitol City Rockets
> http://www.bigmikes442.com
>

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:37:25 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: Can you identify this Olds?

Dave, did you ever find out for sure?

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Kurt
> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:43 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: Can you identify this Olds?
>
>
> Don't know, but I'm guessing a '67 98.
>
> Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
> http://wmachines.shubes.net
> '65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
> '67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
> '92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> > [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Dave Popadic
> > Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 8:24 PM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Can you identify this Olds?
> >
> >
> > Can someone identify this Olds for me?  I need Year / Model..
> >
> > http://myweb.core.com/photos/cutlass67@core.com/oldspics/
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
>

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:38:22 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: Fuel gone upon shutdown? 66-442 L69

And my understanding is that the "8-lb" pump will only make a difference at
sustained WOT.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Infinite Space
> Systems, Inc.
> Sent: Friday, July 16, 2004 1:24 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Cc: RocketScience442@hotmail.com
> Subject: Re: Fuel gone upon shutdown? 66-442 L69
>
>
> I would say either of the following:
>
> 1) If you have a return line on the fuel pump, then the hot engine is
> causing gas vapor expansion from the top of the fuel bowls which
> pushes the
> fuel out of the filter back to the gas tank via the return line.
>
> 2) If no return line, then there is a small leak in the pump
> diaphragm that
> is causing the same affect as in #1, with hot, expanding gas vapor.
>
> 3) However, you have a little surging going down the road,
> coupled with gas
> drainback on shutdown? I would suspect a bad fuel pump with a leaking pump
> diaphragm, regardless if you have a gas return line.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 7:30 AM
> Subject: Fuel gone upon shutdown? 66-442 L69
>
>
> > OK all you experts
> > This has got me stumped
> >
> > 1966 442 Tri-carb setup
> > Glass fuel filter / sediment bowl mounted to the oil fill tube,
> of course.
> >
> > upon warm engine shutdown, the fuel disappears from the bowl
> > within like a second or 2. Gone.
> >
> > Now, ok, maybe it's supposed to run back down the fuel pump's
> return line
> > but... how does the fuel get UP to the top of the sediment bowl
> to get to
> > the port?
> >
> > Perhaps the filter is so fine it allows wicking upwards?
> >
> > Anyone have one of these, does yours do this too?
> > I have the original fuel pump, was going to try to fit that on
> there, see
> if
> > it behaves the same.
> > Current FPump is whatever AC Delco thing you can get nowadays.
> >
> > Hmmmm... I see that the manuals say that the TC setup is
> SUPPOSED to have
> a
> > FPump with 8psi [well, they say "8 lbs" technically, which is not a
> pressure
> > unit at all], like other BB 2-bbl engines of 1966. Whereas, most engines
> got
> > a "6 lbs" pump.
> >
> > Wonder if that contributes to the surge at constant cruise speed we are
> > seeing.
> >
> > First, I ck for dirt in the carbs, have had that issue already in front
> > carb, and we got the carbs from another person, I did not personally got
> > thru and ck all their settings and remove all dirt.
> >
> > Please cc responces to me, as I am slow, and on digest.
> > RocketScience442@hotmail.com
> >
> > ----------------------
> > Chris Witt
> > 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> > Lansing MI 48911
> >
> > Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> > Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Check out the latest news, polls and tools in the MSN 2004
> Election Guide!
> > http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx
> >
> >
>
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:38:34 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: VIN derivative stampings

Stampings were done by hand, and often are not nice and neat.  Obviously not
an exact science.  Off-size and more often crooked and mis-spaced
letters/numbers are more common on prefixes and suffixes, as they were
additions to more "routine" numbers.

Sure, it could *imply*, a forgery, but especially in a case like this,
there's not a motive.
And to that end, I'm sorry to say that with prices going the way they are
today, forgeries are becoming and will be an ever increasing problem....

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)




Notice that the 3 out in front is larger than the rest of the stamped
numbers. Anyone care
to comment on that?

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:39:15 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: SX options, etc.

Thet's the key, performance-wise.  If it has the W-32 package (not available
in '71), it *is* a 442 without the 442 badges.   1970 was the pinnacle year
for performance Oldsmobile.  Olds offered 5 W-Machines that year!
Nice car, Dan.  Love the documentation! And it could even be had with the
OAI hood!

Interesting footnote:  "General knowledge" has it that all W-Machine were
built in Lansing.  Dan's car is proof that the the fact is "All W-30s and
W-31s" were built in Lansing, not "All W-Machines".

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Clifford D.Hall
> Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 7:41 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: SX value and performance opinions wanted
>
>
> This is true for the 71 model Olds SX, but they did make a few in 70 that
> had the W-32 package. The W-32 includes the TV code W-32 engine, OG code
> transmission, 3.23 gear.  Mine came with a positraction, FE2 suspension,
> Sport Steering wheel, Tac and gauges, Hurst Dual gate, etc.
>     http://members.trivergent.net/~cdhall/SXPage/SXPage.htm
>     http://members.trivergent.net/~cdhall/
> Thanks,
>    Daniel Hall
> ----- Original Message -----
> > The SX came with a standard gear ratio of 2.56. While they are
> nice cars,
> I
> > wouldn't pay 442 money for it. They are not 442's in sheep's clothing. I
> have
> > done a little research on the SX and have found them to be a
> Cutlass with
> a 455
> > & turbo 400 trans and a cutout bumper. They could be ordered
> with most of
> the
> > 442 options, but the drive train is not a performance combination.
> >
> > If you want a 71 442 convertible, I would wait till you find
> the right car
> > instead of settling for a SX. Cars you plan to keep always take
> some time
> to
> > find the right car and usually worth the wait.
>
>
>

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:50:23 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: TV Alert: Overhaulin' July 27

Just saw the promo for next Tuesday's "Overhaulin' on TLC. They are
re-doing a '68 Cutlass that the owner has had for 20+ years. Definitely
gotta watch this one!

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:57:18 -0400
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: TV Alert: Overhaulin' July 27

I plan on watching it as I do have a '68 and it looked like it was the same
color as mine!!!!!!!!!

I really like this show...its one of the best out there!!!

Tami

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:03:11 -0400
From: "Roc88ket" <roc88ket@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: TV Alert: Overhaulin' July 27

What time does this show air EST?

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Greg Beaulieu" <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
To: "Oldsmobile" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2004 9:50 PM
Subject: TV Alert: Overhaulin' July 27


> Just saw the promo for next Tuesday's "Overhaulin' on TLC. They are
> re-doing a '68 Cutlass that the owner has had for 20+ years. Definitely
> gotta watch this one!
> 
> Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
>           Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com
> 

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Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 22:28:27 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: TV Alert: Overhaulin' July 27

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I plan on watching it as I do have a '68 and it looked like it was the same
color as mine!!!!!!!!!

I really like this show...its one of the best out there!!!

Tami
SOMEONE BETTER TAPE IT OR ELSE!!!!


Vinny"the gooch"

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Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:53:26 EDT
From: Olznut@aol.com
Subject: Overhaulin' Oldsmobile

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I just got word that on TLC's "Overhaulin" next Tuesday, they're gonna do  up 
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 on all the cars, not no half baked "Pimp My Ride" job, everything gets gone  
through. Should be cool!!  

Ed "Olznut"  Halterman Sunland, Ca '03 Ram Laramie 2500 Quad Cab 4x4 Long Bed 
HEMI "Big Red"  '66 Olds F-85 330 V-8, Intense Blue "Project Olds" Will Be 
Finished Sometime  This Millenium!! 





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