
oldsmobile-digest        Friday, June 25 2004        Volume 01 : Number 4932



Re: Looking for a TRADE
Re: Looking for a TRADE
Re: Homecoming '04   [-long saga-]
I need an engine for my 1970 Olds 98
Re: Homecoming '04   [-long saga-]
Re: 468 in the 81 CS...
Re: 455 oil pump/pan choices?
Re: Hurst shifter rebuilding details?
H/O National Meet, Indy July 8-11
RE: 468 in the 81 CS...
Re: Dash Speaker(s)

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:57:16 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a TRADE

Vinny,  See the '72 Vista Cruiser subject line postings  : - )

Steve



Hey all,

  I am looking to trade my 1984 Grady White 22' Seafarer  for a Oldsmobile
anything interesting.

Vinny

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:24:07 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: Looking for a TRADE

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Hey all,

Just so you know,  the Grady White  is in great condition,  the 200 hp 
Evinrude was rebuilt in 1996  and the powerhead was replaced  new.

The trailer is aslo in very good condition,  it is also a 1996 Sea Lion.

The boat package is worth about $11,000


Vinny (getting married,  need cash, or another Olds to fix up and turn over)
68 H/O  (best offer over $49,999)

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:05:04 -0400
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Homecoming '04   [-long saga-]

Nice story Chris, thanks for sharing. Whenever I get an engine in my 
Olds I plan on making the trek to an Olds show. Are there any close to 
the DC area ever???

paulbunyan

rocketscience442@hotmail.com wrote:

> Finally get a chance to sit down and write a little about it...
>
> What a day, what an experience...
>
> Kinda chilly, I am wearing my special "Ultimate 1966 442 Restoration / 
> Rocket Science" jacket that the other feller on the project had made 
> up...
>
> I was vacillating about selling stuff or not, JUST finished the 66 442 
> about Thrusday. Show is on Saturday. No helper to be found. Well, I 
> traditionally start loading the trailer the nite before anyhow... and 
> did just get two nice fresh 350 nodular cranks in... might as well 
> vend. Borrow trailer Friday, commence to loading. Out to the farm, no 
> brother, no help, just me. Good, Swap Meet Light this year. [Dang, 
> ridiculously MILD weather- should have loaded the trailer to the gills 
> this yea, if ever].
>
> fist swap and Homecoming show since... you know.... The Demise
> Significance of that was initially lost on me.
>
> I spent all my time with sales and buying stuff. No helper to watch 
> the stuff... Oh well, Olds folks is honest folks. Hardly any time for 
> being at _the car_, to see, compare to others, to hear comments on the 
> detail work... I did notice two other Tri-Carb vehicles, one was 
> apparently a real W30, had the full on air cleaner and all. The other 
> was, ah, shall we say, sporting a tri-carb setup, but without numerous 
> details such as the correct bellcrank at the firewall, to open the 
> carbs all the way
>
> Back at the swap meet... I arrived, got trailer parked, came back and 
> before even starting to unpack, saw the man of engines and parts. 
> Stroll on over, blue engine... heads... F heads! Cool, casting # looks 
> familiar..... too familiar. Ayep. F's... made from E's. Still, not a 
> bad job, and in good serviceable condition. Bought 'em.
>
> Unpack a bit, get table set up, fliers out for folks to take and see 
> what sort of things I do or offer, and the list that folks can write 
> on what they want me to look for. Go shopping. Find a man with misc. 
> in a box. Red spring ring battery cables. Huhm, what's this, fiber 
> guide tube in place. What's THIS... correct-for-Manual-Trans BRACKET 
> that holds the fiber tube to the head!?! I spent DAYS getting this 
> part just right on the 1966 442 that was just finished. Here it is, 
> new, correct GM part. WITH red correct cable. Yeeeee-hah. Bought all 
> of them. So far so good. No sales, who cares?
>
> Lots more folks here by now, guys next door getting a LOT of stuff set 
> out, pretty cool stuff too.
>
> "Chris?"
>
> Huh, yeah? No kidding, right next door, the two guys with the huge 
> trailer of stuff... is James and Chris, who are bringing me not one, 
> but two, engines! What luck! Meet up, make plans to transfer the 
> engines and his MT setup later that day... No serious sales or 
> inquiries... might as well... go shopping again!
>
> I see THE CAR drive in, go to get a pic of it driving. How cool, it 
> still bears its California license plate on the front. We even found 
> two of the teensy LPlate replicas that you used to keep on your key 
> ring, in case the keys got lost, finder drops in a mailbox, they find 
> their way back to you. OK, few quick pix of the real 66 W30 nearby, 
> details that might be handy later. Back to the swap area. Still no 
> sales or inquiries, might as well... go shopping, eh?
>
> What's this? Max Hineman has a "girl" sculpture, how cute. Hey, wait, 
> the whole thing is made out of OLDSMOBILE PARTS. No kidding. The 
> blonde hair is a timing chain cut open and draped over a face of 
> timing sprocket. Got a photo, but I think the camera ate that disk... 
> bummer.
>
> Hah, the Toro man has RELAYS in a box. Some are NEW. Aha, the elusive 
> Horn Relay for -my car- ! or is it? Dirt cheap, should just buy it 
> anyhow. He says, go look at the cars. Duh. Off I go. Look at a few 
> '68's. YES, it's exactly right. Priced right at $3, too. Bought about 
> 6 various relays from him. Only one of that exact type. Killer score 
> to add to the car's Someday Stash.
>
> Among the other items found on various tables and in boxes- Brand new 
> NOS big block nylon cam sprocket. 3 or 4 NOS correct stainless capped 
> lugnuts. Numerous little odds and ends.
>
> Did finally sell a few things, '69 air cleaner, #5 heads, enough to 
> cover what I bought. 1950's convertible man having trouble, go over to 
> see if I can help. His alternator mount bolt broke off. I have an alt 
> bracket kit, with bolts, offer that... needs spacers. He ends up using 
> another guy's bolt instead. Meanwhile, a guy strolls by with a 
> complete tri-carb setup... for the 50's cars. After convert owner 
> decides not to buy, I make an offer, it's accepted. See that on ebay 
> right now:
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2482839340&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT 
>
>
> She's very complete, sports Ford 3-bolt carbs, and apparently fits 
> only the first gen Rocket engines '49 thru '53.
>
> The worst moment of the day? Man that sold me the intake related this 
> story- he had offered me a '03 curved dash a month or three ago. I did 
> not have the $1500. He recently drove by my house with it on a 
> trailer, was going to offer it to me for $500, but could not stop in 
> that day. :-(
> Sold it soon thereafer. DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT.
>
> End of the festivities, I heard the auction, sort or, and heard the 
> awards, sort of, heard the 66 w30 get an award, not sure if THE CAR 
> got anything. Pack up the trailer, head out, run an errand on the way 
> home, get home to do the engines transfer.
>
> Soon thereafter James and Chris roll up, we get the engines out of 
> their trailer and into my collection. Go out to the store. Grab a seis 
> of cervezas... head home, the long way. I let each of them drive, 
> Chris says he wants to feel what the 4.33's are like. Cool. Along the 
> way we meet up with a 1968? Buick. Sounds TOUGH, you know, flowmasters 
> and Hugh Jass cam. Says GS and Stage 1 on the fender. Driver comes up 
> alongside the GS- I forget it it was James or Chris. We get a brief 
> run in, thru 1st gear. The Buick walks away from us. I have no rowdy 
> cam or hop-up stuff, just a grocery getter 1967 425. I guess "GS" 
> stands for "Good Spanking", that's what you get if you challenge that 
> car. I thought it was "Grampa's Special" before- sleeper muscle car- 
> not much to indicate rude levels of torque.
>
> Back to the house, consume the brewskis while surveying the quagmire 
> of parts in the garage. Chris looks over the '68 very closely, looking 
> for the fabled "W30" written on the inside of the front fenders... no 
> proof that my front fenders are original though, and I -know- the RH 
> one is not, because it's a 1969 fender. Share stories and such, but 
> they have a long drive ahead of them, and so Chris and James must 
> depart...
>
> I get in the house to find the wife has discovered for me a nifty 
> Father's day thing at the swap meet- Hot wheels booklet on muscle 
> cars, with an OLDS toy car attached to it in a bubble pack. And, to 
> make matters better... she taped the 6:00 news.
>
> Being the first show since THE DEMISE, the news crews were there. 
> Guess what car the reporter did the spot from the driver's seat of?
>
> uh-huh... THE CAR. Featured _the_ 66 442 and a 53 blue convertible 
> prominently. Shot of the 3x2 engine revving, etc. I thought they were 
> rather superficial and not at all technical, of course, but with a 1-2 
> minute spot, what can you do? Their angle was that although Olds is 
> not producing cars anymore, there are PLENTY of Oldsmobile enthusiasts 
> left. There was a fairly good interview with Joe, the other guy that 
> did most of the work on the car.
>
> All things considered... It was a great day
>
> C ya next year.
> ----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:15:28 -0400
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: I need an engine for my 1970 Olds 98

All,
You may have remembered me posting a little while back that I am looking 
for an engine for my olds. If anyone has an engine that I could hear 
run, and they're trying to sell it, please contact me. I will be 
recieving a bonus the first week of July so I plan on purchasing the 
engine around then. I dont want a built engine, I just need something 
reliable and thatll last a while. My email is paulbunyan44@netscape.net 
or I can be reached by cell phone at 703-624-0593. My real name is Paul. 
Hope to hear from you soon :-) Also, I live in the DC area

paulbunyan

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:17:03 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Homecoming '04   [-long saga-]

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Finally get a chance to sit down and write a little about it...
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ditto.  busy with work most of the week.
 
What a trip.  I knew we would get stuck in traffic on 80/94 in Indiana, but what I wasn't expecting was 25 miles into Michigan, DEAD STOP.  Then creep along for 6 miles.  at 10 o'clock at night!!!!!!  James and I got into the hotel about 1:45am.  We got up the next morning, I had some time to make a quick walk around the parking lot.  68 H/O, 70 442 (thats what the SSII wheel color is supposed to look like), 68 S convertible, 70 Cutlass pace car convert with a ripped top, 71 Cutlass S post with poverty caps (I liked this one), 69 442 and some others.  James and I then hit the road, get to the swap and start unloading the trailer.  As we are unloading I hear this familiar voice.  I turn around, Bob Cline is right behind us unloading parts.  We talk for a few minutes since I haven't seen or talked to him in years.  Give him the quick update on the W-31, I bought the car from him.  We finish unloading the trailer, so now I have to take it over to the trailer parking.  Walk back through
 the showfield, stop at Dave Heilala's 68 Ram Rod which he bought new and drove off the assembly line.  But he's nowhere to be found.  Oh well, walk back to the swap meet to start setting up.  MAN, I've got a lot of stuff.  Mostly set up, then James and I start talking.  I mention to James, you know who we are next to.



Lots more folks here by now, guys next door getting a LOT of stuff set 
out, 
pretty cool stuff too.

"Chris?"

Huh, yeah? No kidding, right next door, the two guys with the huge 
trailer 
of stuff... is James and Chris, who are bringing me not one, but two, 
engines!  What luck! Meet up, make plans to transfer the engines and 
his MT 
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yes, thats right.  Right next to THE rocketscientist himself.  who knew!!!!!  now we don't have to find him later to make those arrangements for parts swappage.  We talk a little bit.
As the day went on, I talked with a lot of people I haven't seen in a while.  Dave Heilala, Jack Bazur, Dave and Melody Wyatt, Dan Bodine, got caught up with Bob Cline.  Rick Kromeich and his son stopped by as they stayed with relatives near Detriot.  I got A LOT of sun.  My forehead and nose have been peeling this week.  Looks real attractive.
 
 


Soon thereafter James and Chris roll up, we get the engines out of 
their 
trailer and into my collection. Go out to the store. Grab a seis of 
cervezas... head home, the long way. I let each of them drive, Chris 
says he 
wants to feel what the 4.33's are like. Cool. Along the way we meet up
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Hey Matt Crumley.  THIS WAS THE HIGHLIGHT!!!!!!  68 W-30 convertible, automatic.  4.33 gears. :-o)))  so THIS is what 4.33 gears feel like.  WOW, I LOVE these gears!!!!!!  This is the second W-car I've driven.  I've driven mine of course.  both have those lovely manual four wheel drums.  But both are rare W-machines and of course both are a little rough around the edges.  Chris' is roadworthy, mine soon will be.  As I mentioned to James on the trip home, driving Chris' car made me realize how much I miss my convertible.  I had to sell my 71 Skylark convert because I lost storage and was unemployed.
 
 
with 
a 1968? Buick. Sounds TOUGH, you know, flowmasters and Hugh Jass cam. 
Says 
GS and Stage 1 on the fender. Driver comes up alongside the GS- I 
forget it 
it was James or Chris. We get a brief run in, thru 1st gear. The Buick 
walks 
away from us. I have no rowdy cam or hop-up stuff, just a grocery 
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it was a 70-72 GS with the Stage 1 badge (don't have my specific years down yet).  And it sounded, how do you say, healthy!!!  For the record James was driving.  In fact I told him before we switched, now you get to drive a real car  :-)    I've seen Stage 1s in Pure Stock form runs 12s easily.  I've read about them in F.A.S.T. form dip deep into the 11s (Greg Gessler's 72 Stage 1).  So this car rightfully so, took us.  But we were in a convertible W-machine, so you couldn't lose either way.
 
 
 
Back to the house, consume the brewskis while surveying the quagmire of 
parts in the garage.
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quagmire?!?!?!?!  THATS an understatement.  I went shopping. :-))))  HOLY COW does he have a boatload of stuff.  And I'm guessing this is probably a 10th of what he really has.  Part of the garage housed ANOTHER 68 W-30.  This one of the post coupe buckets, 4sp no console variety.  And this one makes my W-31 look solid, which is somewhat hard to do.  Although it was buried under a bunch of parts, it still looked good.  I could envision it completed, looking all pristine and shiney.  There were parts stashed in the interior, the trunk and up on shelves for this car and his convertible.  Then Chris just had to toy with me as he pulled out original bumper scoops, NOS hoses and lots of other stuff.  Then we got to see the carb made of ultimate unobtanium.  Thats right, correctly numbered 68 W-30 carb (28254 if my memory serves me right).  Quite possibly the only one I will ever see.
 
 
 
 Chris looks over the '68 very closely, looking for 
the 
fabled "W30" written on the inside of the front fenders... no proof 
that my 
front fenders are original though, and I -know- the RH one is not, 
because 
it's a 1969 fender. Share stories and such, but they have a long drive 
ahead 
of them, and so Chris and James must depart...
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we could see something on the inside of the drivers fender, but nothing definitive that says "W30".  Of course, Chris has the 68 OW TH400, with vin derivative stamping, so we know it's a legit car.  For being a CA car, it's surpringly solid, yep strangly rusty in some spots.  weird.  But it's a 68 W-30 convertible automatic.  


 
 
All things considered... It was a great day

C ya next year.
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agreed.  and I'm planning on attending next year as well.
 
Chris Smetana
grp442@yahoo.com
 

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<DIV>Finally get a chance to sit down and write a little about it...</DIV>
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<DIV>ditto.&nbsp; busy with work most of the week.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>What a trip.&nbsp; I knew we would get stuck in traffic on 80/94 in Indiana, but what I wasn't expecting was 25 miles into Michigan, DEAD STOP.&nbsp; Then creep along for 6 miles.&nbsp; at 10 o'clock at night!!!!!!&nbsp; James and I got into the hotel about 1:45am.&nbsp; We got up the next morning, I had some time to make a quick walk around the parking lot.&nbsp; 68 H/O, 70 442 (thats what the SSII wheel color is supposed to look like), 68 S convertible, 70 Cutlass pace car convert with a ripped top, 71 Cutlass S post with poverty caps (I liked this one), 69 442 and some others.&nbsp; James and I then hit the road, get to the swap and start unloading the trailer.&nbsp; As we are unloading I hear this familiar voice.&nbsp; I turn around, Bob Cline is right behind us unloading parts.&nbsp; We talk for a few minutes since I haven't seen or talked to him in years.&nbsp; Give him the quick update on the W-31, I bought the car from him.&nbsp; We finish unloading the trailer, so now I
 have to take it over to the trailer parking.&nbsp; Walk back through the showfield, stop at Dave Heilala's 68 Ram Rod which he bought new and drove off the assembly line.&nbsp; But he's nowhere to be found.&nbsp; Oh well, walk back to the swap meet to start setting up.&nbsp; MAN, I've got a lot of stuff.&nbsp; Mostly set up, then James and I start talking.&nbsp; I mention to James, you know who we are next to.</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR><BR>Lots more folks here by now, guys next door getting a LOT of stuff set <BR>out, <BR>pretty cool stuff too.<BR><BR>"Chris?"<BR><BR>Huh, yeah? No kidding, right next door, the two guys with the huge <BR>trailer <BR>of stuff... is James and Chris, who are bringing me not one, but two, <BR>engines!&nbsp; What luck! Meet up, make plans to transfer the engines and <BR>his MT <BR>----------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>yes, thats right.&nbsp; Right next to THE rocketscientist himself.&nbsp; who knew!!!!!&nbsp; now we don't have to find him later to make those arrangements for parts swappage.&nbsp; We talk a little bit.</DIV>
<DIV>As the day went on, I talked with a lot of people I haven't seen in a while.&nbsp; Dave Heilala, Jack Bazur, Dave and Melody Wyatt, Dan Bodine, got caught up with Bob Cline.&nbsp; Rick Kromeich and his son stopped by as they stayed with relatives near Detriot.&nbsp; I got A LOT of sun.&nbsp; My forehead and nose have been peeling this week.&nbsp; Looks real attractive.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR><BR>Soon thereafter James and Chris roll up, we get the engines out of <BR>their <BR>trailer and into my collection. Go out to the store. Grab a seis of <BR>cervezas... head home, the long way. I let each of them drive, Chris <BR>says he <BR>wants to feel what the 4.33's are like. Cool. Along the way we meet up</DIV>
<DIV>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>Hey Matt Crumley.&nbsp; THIS WAS THE&nbsp;HIGHLIGHT!!!!!!&nbsp; 68 W-30 convertible, automatic.&nbsp; 4.33 gears. :-o)))&nbsp; so THIS is what 4.33 gears feel like.&nbsp; WOW, I LOVE these&nbsp;gears!!!!!!&nbsp; This is the second W-car I've driven.&nbsp; I've driven mine of course.&nbsp; both have those lovely manual four wheel drums.&nbsp; But both are rare W-machines and of course both are a little rough around the edges.&nbsp; Chris' is roadworthy, mine soon will be.&nbsp; As I mentioned to James on the trip home, driving Chris' car made me realize how much I miss my convertible.&nbsp; I had to sell my 71 Skylark convert because I lost storage and was unemployed.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;<BR>with <BR>a 1968? Buick. Sounds TOUGH, you know, flowmasters and Hugh Jass cam. <BR>Says <BR>GS and Stage 1 on the fender. Driver comes up alongside the GS- I <BR>forget it <BR>it was James or Chris. We get a brief run in, thru 1st gear. The Buick <BR>walks <BR>away from us. I have no rowdy cam or hop-up stuff, just a grocery <BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>it was a 70-72 GS with the Stage&nbsp;1 badge (don't have my specific years down yet).&nbsp; And it sounded, how do you say, healthy!!!&nbsp; For the record James was driving.&nbsp; In fact I told him before we switched, now you get to drive a real car&nbsp; :-)&nbsp; &nbsp; I've seen&nbsp;Stage 1s&nbsp;in Pure Stock form runs 12s easily.&nbsp; I've read about them in F.A.S.T. form dip deep into the 11s (Greg Gessler's 72 Stage 1).&nbsp; So this car rightfully so, took us.&nbsp; But we were in a convertible W-machine, so you couldn't lose either way.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Back to the house, consume the brewskis while surveying the quagmire of <BR>parts in the garage.</DIV>
<DIV>--------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>quagmire?!?!?!?!&nbsp; THATS an understatement.&nbsp; I went shopping. :-))))&nbsp; HOLY COW does he have a boatload of stuff.&nbsp; And I'm guessing this is probably a 10th of what he really has.&nbsp; Part of the garage housed ANOTHER 68 W-30.&nbsp; This one of the post coupe buckets, 4sp no console variety.&nbsp; And this one makes my W-31 look solid, which is somewhat hard to do.&nbsp; Although it was buried under a bunch of parts, it still looked good.&nbsp; I could envision it completed, looking all pristine and shiney.&nbsp; There were parts stashed in the interior, the trunk and up on shelves for this car and his convertible.&nbsp; Then Chris just had to toy with me as he pulled out original bumper scoops, NOS hoses and lots of other stuff.&nbsp; Then we got to see the carb made of ultimate unobtanium.&nbsp; Thats right, correctly numbered 68 W-30 carb (28254 if my memory serves me right).&nbsp; Quite possibly the only one I will ever see.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;Chris looks over the '68 very closely, looking for <BR>the <BR>fabled "W30" written on the inside of the front fenders... no proof <BR>that my <BR>front fenders are original though, and I -know- the RH one is not, <BR>because <BR>it's a 1969 fender. Share stories and such, but they have a long drive <BR>ahead <BR>of them, and so Chris and James must depart...</DIV>
<DIV>---------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>we could see something on the inside of the drivers fender, but nothing definitive that says "W30".&nbsp; Of course, Chris has the 68 OW TH400, with vin derivative stamping, so we know it's a legit car.&nbsp; For being a CA car, it's surpringly solid, yep strangly rusty in some spots.&nbsp; weird.&nbsp; But it's a 68 W-30 convertible automatic.&nbsp; <BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>All things considered... It was a great day<BR><BR>C ya next year.<BR>- ----------------------<BR>agreed.&nbsp; and I'm planning on attending next year as well.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Chris Smetana</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:grp442@yahoo.com">grp442@yahoo.com</A></DIV>
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:35:38 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: 468 in the 81 CS...

I've won this battle in the end. The air filter from the 76CS 455 was low
enouch to try to install it. We had to rise the hood some 1/2" then fight
some with the cover edge and it is - 468 breathes through a small 14x3 air
filter
thakns to all for advices and encouragements
Matt
> Are you using the stock intake or a performer?  What carb?
>
> I have put a 455 into a couple of G-bodies with a stock intake, Q-jet, and
a
> drop base air filter with a 3" element, and it worked ok.  Should work for
> you.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <bcroe@juno.com>
> > I have used a bottom half air cleaner from an early Toronado.
> > These sat extra low on the carb; let me put a 4" diesel air
> > cleaner were a 3" used to be.  But with a high rise intake,
> > this may not be enough.  I have a 403 in an 81 Cutlass.
> >
> >      Bruce Roe

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:46:30 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 455 oil pump/pan choices?

John,


> I wanted to use a
> complete Milodon oil set up  (7 quart oil pan, windage tray, pick up,
> oil pump, and shaft), but I've been informed that the oil pump is no
> longer available. That being the case, can I use all the Milodon bits
> that are available with someone else's pump?


I just called Milodon and Melling. Here's the story, from 2 different
viewpoints.

Milodon: They have been using the oil pump body casting from Diamond
Casting, who also supplies all oil pump bodies to Melling, to make the Olds
# 18865 oil pump. Melling bought and now owns Diamond Casting, and Milodon
can no longer get the oil pump body at an economical price. So they stopped
making it. However, Melling has the same pump. Milodon is now going to
develop their own unique Olds oil pump, but that won't be for a while.

Melling: The tech rep didn't know about Melling buying Diamond Casting, but
he was sure their M22 FHV Olds high volume oil pump was identical to what
Milodon was supplying. He went and got one and gave me the measurements,
stating the oil pump has the holes for the oil pump pickup to bolt on. The
stock pickup could also be used, since the o.d. of the pickup tube is 3/4"
and the i.d. is 5/8". To get a 3/4" inlet, one simply uses a bolt on oil
pickup that has a 3/4" i.d. tube to match the opening in the oil pump. The
pump also has taller gears and a taller pump body, for that is how high
volume is created.

I suspect the # 18865 Milodon Olds oil pump has been a # M22 FHV Melling
Olds oil pump all along and that Milodon dropped the Olds oil pump to save
costs, since it is directly available from Melling to begin with.

Buy the Melling # M22 FHV oil pump and use all of the Milodon stuff with it.
It's the same oil pump.

Incidentally, it would appear the Melling pump is better than the Toronado
oil pump. As far as I can remember, the standard Olds oil pump and the
Toronado oil pump have the same pump body. The only real difference is the
pressure spring. The Melling HV pump has a taller body with taller pump
gears to pull more volume.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:44:49 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hurst shifter rebuilding details?

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In a message dated 6/25/04 9:24:15 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
tomcb@prplastics.com
 writes:

> Steve,
> 
> Do you have some more information on "Mark in Carson City" (website, email,
> etc)?

Tom,
      Go to http://go.mrgasket.com/FAQs.aspx?BrandID=2.  Or go to 
http://www.mrgasket.com/  and put your cursor on the FAQ heading.  When the drop down box 
appears, scroll down to Hurst Shifters and the first page will pop up.  Go 
through the FAQ's on Hurst Shifters and eventually you will come to the 
appropriate info.  You are supposed to call the 800 number listed BEFORE sending your 
shifter out for a rebuild.  When you call that number you may or may not talk 
to Mark.  I'm not sure if he actually rebuilds the shifters, or is the guy in 
charge, but he's the one I always try to get.  Incidentally, our Hurst Dual 
Gate shifters ARE rebuildable, but some of the others aren't.  He will ask you 
what type you have first in order to ascertain that it is the rebuildable type. 

       I've sent several Dual Gates out for rebuilds and every one has come 
back as good as new.  Except one.  He called me to tell me that it wasn't 
rebuildable, as all the rivets, or something, were loose and that rendered it as 
unfit for a rebuild.  I asked him what to do and he said, no problem, he'd make 
me a complete new one.  Total cost was $90, if I remember correctly.  Don't 
know if that is still possible, as this was a few years ago, but I have that 
unit in my racecar to this day.  So give Mark a call and send yours out.
Good luck,
Steve D

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AM Pacific Daylight Time, tomcb@prplastics.com<BR>
 writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
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etc)?</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Tom,<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Go to <A HREF=3D"http://go.mrgasket.com/FAQs.=
aspx?BrandID=3D2">http://go.mrgasket.com/FAQs.aspx?BrandID=3D2</A>.&nbsp; Or=
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p; and put your cursor on the FAQ heading.&nbsp; When the drop down box appe=
ars, scroll down to Hurst Shifters and the first page will pop up.&nbsp; Go=20=
through the FAQ's on Hurst Shifters and eventually you will come to the appr=
opriate info.&nbsp; You are supposed to call the 800 number listed BEFORE se=
nding your shifter out for a rebuild.&nbsp; When you call that number you ma=
y or may not talk to Mark.&nbsp; I'm not sure if he actually rebuilds the sh=
ifters, or is the guy in charge, but he's the one I always try to get.&nbsp;=
 Incidentally, our Hurst Dual Gate shifters ARE rebuildable, but some of the=
 others aren't.&nbsp; He will ask you what type you have first in order to a=
scertain that it is the rebuildable type. <BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I've sent several Dual Gates out for re=
builds and every one has come back as good as new.&nbsp; Except one.&nbsp; H=
e called me to tell me that it wasn't rebuildable, as all the rivets, or som=
ething, were loose and that rendered it as unfit for a rebuild.&nbsp; I aske=
d him what to do and he said, no problem, he'd make me a complete new one.&n=
bsp; Total cost was $90, if I remember correctly.&nbsp; Don't know if that i=
s still possible, as this was a few years ago, but I have that unit in my ra=
cecar to this day.&nbsp; So give Mark a call and send yours out.<BR>
Good luck,<BR>
Steve D</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 12:03:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: H/O National Meet, Indy July 8-11

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For those interested in attending the Hurst Olds National Meet this year at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, the host hotel is booked.  And 15 people are on the waiting list.  I just made my reservations at the Comfort Inn, which is only a few miles away.  Rockville Rd and I-465, exit 13A.  If someone is interested in going, hasn't made reservations/plans etc, perhaps we could split the room.  Email me privately.
 
I plan on driving down from the Chicago area friday morning, talking with a bunch of people who I haven't seen in a few months, looking at a lot of nice cars (including the 68 H/O convertible prototype which is rumored to be there) and lots of other stuff.  I'm also going to look at a front clip for my 66 GTO that someone 45 minutes east of Indy has for sale.
 
Chris Smetana
grp442@yahoo.com
 

		
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<DIV>For those interested in attending the Hurst Olds National Meet this year at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway, the host hotel is booked.&nbsp; And 15 people are on the waiting list.&nbsp; I just made my reservations at the Comfort Inn, which is only a few miles away.&nbsp; Rockville Rd and I-465, exit 13A.&nbsp; If someone is interested in going, hasn't made reservations/plans etc, perhaps we could split the room.&nbsp; Email me privately.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I plan on driving down from the Chicago area friday morning, talking with a bunch of people who I haven't seen in a few months, looking at a lot of nice cars (including the 68 H/O convertible prototype which is rumored to be there) and lots of other stuff.&nbsp; I'm also going to look at a front clip for my 66 GTO that someone 45 minutes east of Indy has for sale.</DIV>
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 15:07:58 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 468 in the 81 CS...

Maybe you should put the car on a low-carb diet :)

John Nasta



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I've won this battle in the end. The air filter from the 76CS 455 was low
enouch to try to install it. We had to rise the hood some 1/2" then fight
some with the cover edge and it is - 468 breathes through a small 14x3 air
filter
thakns to all for advices and encouragements
Matt

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 13:45:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: J Pajak <ransomeliolds@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Dash Speaker(s)

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Those loose spaeker boxes are very dangerous in a collision!
 
John Pajak
 
 


vze210y3 <vze210y3@verizon.net> wrote:

Steve wrote:
> What have some of you done for having tunes in your rides? Right
> now my original doors are butchered for 6.5" speakers, but I don't know if
I
> want to hack up the new doors I get.
> I'm not looking for anything outrageous by any means, just something
> to listen to occasionally besides the rumbling of the 455.


Steve,
Factory positioning and orientation of speakers is evidence that sound was
just an afterthought when these cars were built. It's more important to
many of us. This is especially true in my 75 Delta ragtop, where the rear
(very shallow) 6X9's are mounted behind the back seat back, pointing into
the top well (???). That's for non-directional bass, I guess, but mids and
highs will just bounce around in the well (they're mounted too low to bounce
off the back window). The 3.5's in the dash aren't going to produce decent
sound either. I just bought some carpeted 6X9 boxes (designed to stand
upright and slanted to fit behind the seat of a pickup) for $30 and am going
to put some handles on them and decent speakers in the them and sit them in
the back seat. I'll just leave some flying leads between the seat cushion
and the side panels, unplug 'em and stick 'em in the trunk when parked.
This arrangement will let me to move them back and forth from the Delta to
the 442 convertible. I'm going to hide a FM/CD in the glove box, and maybe
stick some tweets in the dash. 'Should give me good sound and no impact on
the original interior. There's also a new (and unbelievable) powered
subwoofer made by Infinity. It fits under the back seat of my pickup and
has a control mounted under the dash. One of those would be nice in the
trunk -- also easily disconnected and pulled out. But now we're talking
serious woofs and a lot more moola....

Scott
75 Delta rag
71 442 rag



		
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<DIV>Those loose spaeker boxes are very dangerous in a collision!</DIV>
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<DIV>John Pajak</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>vze210y3 &lt;vze210y3@verizon.net&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid"><BR>Steve wrote:<BR>&gt; What have some of you done for having tunes in your rides? Right<BR>&gt; now my original doors are butchered for 6.5" speakers, but I don't know if<BR>I<BR>&gt; want to hack up the new doors I get.<BR>&gt; I'm not looking for anything outrageous by any means, just something<BR>&gt; to listen to occasionally besides the rumbling of the 455.<BR><BR><BR>Steve,<BR>Factory positioning and orientation of speakers is evidence that sound was<BR>just an afterthought when these cars were built. It's more important to<BR>many of us. This is especially true in my 75 Delta ragtop, where the rear<BR>(very shallow) 6X9's are mounted behind the back seat back, pointing into<BR>the top well (???). That's for non-directional bass, I guess, but mids and<BR>highs will just bounce around in the well (they're mounted too low to bounce<BR>off the back window). The 3.5's in the dash
 aren't going to produce decent<BR>sound either. I just bought some carpeted 6X9 boxes (designed to stand<BR>upright and slanted to fit behind the seat of a pickup) for $30 and am going<BR>to put some handles on them and decent speakers in the them and sit them in<BR>the back seat. I'll just leave some flying leads between the seat cushion<BR>and the side panels, unplug 'em and stick 'em in the trunk when parked.<BR>This arrangement will let me to move them back and forth from the Delta to<BR>the 442 convertible. I'm going to hide a FM/CD in the glove box, and maybe<BR>stick some tweets in the dash. 'Should give me good sound and no impact on<BR>the original interior. There's also a new (and unbelievable) powered<BR>subwoofer made by Infinity. It fits under the back seat of my pickup and<BR>has a control mounted under the dash. One of those would be nice in the<BR>trunk -- also easily disconnected and pulled out. But now we're talking<BR>serious woofs and a lot more
 moola....<BR><BR>Scott<BR>75 Delta rag<BR>71 442 rag<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>
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