
oldsmobile-digest        Friday, June 25 2004        Volume 01 : Number 4930



Proper crank storage - World's smallest Olds Crank
Console Questions
Fuel pump numbers decoding
81CS sway bars - was: 68 442 exhaust
Re: Dyno Results, Part Two
another lost mail
Re: another lost mail
RE: 68 442 exhaust
mail 1
RE: 68 442 exhaust
Rear End Specialists 
Re: Rear End Specialists
Re: Dyno Results, Part Two
Looking for a TRADE
Re: Rear End Specialists 
Kevin Reichert
Hurst shifter rebuilding details?
Found the Hurst thing...
RE: 81 CS sway bars needed
Re: GMB performance aluminum water pump on sale
Eek!  Of Mice and Oldsmobiles....
Re: another lost mail
Re: Hurst shifter rebuilding details?
Part Needed
Re: Part Needed
Re: Fathers day 455
Re: 81 CS sway bars needed
Re: another lost mail
oldsmobile- Kind of Off Topic in PNW.............
RE: 81 CS sway bars needed
"Hurst" body plate... with no H/O relevance at all?
Re: oldsmobile- Kind of Off Topic in PNW.............
Re: Fathers day 455

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:02:47 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Proper crank storage - World's smallest Olds Crank

Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:33:34 -0400
From: "Jay Britt" <jbritt67@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: World's Smallest Oldsmobile crankshaft
========================
I suggest all of you download them photos for posterity, before they 
disappear
Already had one pinhead BID on the thing...
Despite the NUMEROUS urgings not to in the ad. Crikey.



You did store this upright and not lying flat, didn't you? ;-)
===============
Actually, the man had it in his pocket
Prolly sat on it and bent it real good.

My real cranks get stored on end
Every 2 weeks I change them from standing on the rear face to hanging from 
the rear flange. That way, the effects of gravity on the fragile cast iron 
or forged steel are evened out.

Ask James and Chris, they saw the storage facility whilst here.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7907163031

Go see, quick, before ebay decides that not-really-for-sale things
violate
one of their myriad of rules.

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:06:41 -0500
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: Console Questions

What's a 4-speed console for a 65 442 supposed to look like?

Carpeted or Painted sides?
black center or all chrome top?
Is there a difference at the front with respect to gage vs rocket emblem?
Rear passenger courtesy light?

Is there a good book that has this sort of thing in it?

Thanks
Eric

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:14:08 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fuel pump numbers decoding

OK, on the fuel pumps
There's that little AC logo that Crazy Rich pay big bucks for, sure

All the OEM ones I have in my collection have an extra boss on the top fwd 
mtg ear. On that boss is the application code number.

Preceding that number seems to be some sort of date code...  Anyone know 
what that stuff means?

Examples:

69-or-70-350 of recent acquisition = 304T40772
69-or-70-350 of recent acquisition = 235M40712
[I suspect they are both ...772's and I did not read closely/ poorly 
stamped- have pix]

I am guessing "304" and "235" are the date codes, Julian day of the Year
and M or T is the year code, jury still out on which letter is what year.

66-442's Original [?] FPump was stamed 135M40523, that was placed on the 
replacement fuel pump in the quest for originality on the presumably better 
to have NEW AC pump. Hope it's the one that flows OK.

I have a dozen more in the garage I can get all the #'s off of if that 
helps, but they usually do not say what they were found on.

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:22:23 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: 81CS sway bars - was: 68 442 exhaust

Sorry, none for that year.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----

I've asked Jonh Nasta if he has 81CS sway bars...?
rgds
Matt

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:00:35 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dyno Results, Part Two

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In a message dated 6/24/04 8:07:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, imp@theriver.com
writes:

> Steve,
> 
> You get an "OK-3".
> 
> Ron Fama, Jim Zito, and Mark Mullins should know what that means.
> 
> Ok-3 means an arrested landing on a carrier deck is as good as it can get.
> God couldn't do it any better.
> 

Thanks, Milton!  Now if I can only keep from getting arrested when my front 
wheels land back on the pavement....    Just kidding.  I doubt that this will 
pull the front wheels, but I am going to give it a go.
Steve D


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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 6/24/04 8:07:59=20=
AM Pacific Daylight Time, imp@theriver.com<BR>
writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Steve,<BR>
<BR>
You get an "OK-3".<BR>
<BR>
Ron Fama, Jim Zito, and Mark Mullins should know what that means.<BR>
<BR>
Ok-3 means an arrested landing on a carrier deck is as good as it can get.<B=
R>
God couldn't do it any better.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Thanks, Milton!&nbsp; Now if I can only keep from getting arrested when my f=
ront wheels land back on the pavement....&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Just kidding.&nb=
sp; I doubt that this will pull the front wheels, but I am going to give it=20=
a go.<BR>
Steve D<BR>
<BR>
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:09:08 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: another lost mail

second today... has not appeared yet..
Matt

> Look, how strange, the last but one mail has not appeared, this one yes -
> when I complain it appears ok... ist there a gremlin in the chebucto
> mainframe?
> Matt
>
> > Dear fellows, this Olds list works really bad!
> > It makes an hour or so that I've send an email to the lista and still
> > nothing, if it goes like this I will quit it, going to the cutlassowner
or
> > so.
> > I've asked Jonh Nasta if he has 81CS sway bars...?
> > rgds
> > Matt
> >
>

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:02:31 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: another lost mail

Maybe... but I doubt it, I receive hundreds of mails each day with no retard
at all, why should I have a retard from chebucto? BTW, my lost emails will
not appear in the digest neither... so, if I dont't see them direct nor in
the digest, means they don't go through some sort of filter... strange
Matt
BTW - this one arrived direct, not through the list, right?

From: "Steve Harrison" <k0xp@dandy.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Cc: <travelchile@manquehue.net>>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 12:43 PM
Subject: Re: another lost mail


> At 12:09 PM 6/24/2004 -0400, you wrote:
> >second today... has not appeared yet..
> >Matt
> >
> >> Look, how strange, the last but one mail has not appeared, this one
yes -
> >> when I complain it appears ok... ist there a gremlin in the chebucto
> >> mainframe?
> >> Matt
>
> Matt, *we've* seen both this and the last e-mail post from you. So they're
> getting through. Looks more like a delay getting back TO you than FROM
you.
>
> Copying this to you directly at... 1643 GMT.
>
> SteveH

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:08:35 -0500
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: RE: 68 442 exhaust

 > -----Original Message-----
 > From: Bill Brooks [mailto:deaconblue1969@yahoo.com]
  > > setup for $359 not including tips
 > 
 > Man, am I behind the times.  Now ya gotta tip the
 > muffler shop guy?  ;-)
 > 
 > 

All of the exhaust work I have had done in the last 5 years was just for tips.  The work I want done is usually so minor, the shop manager sends me to talk to the welder and tells me to just take care of him.  I have had holes patched, pipes bent, and tips welded on.  I have never paid more than $10.  It's a great shop.  

     mike

Mike Schlottman
Sr. Systems Administrator
Society of Petroleum Engineers
222 Palisades Creek Drive 
Richardson, TX 75083
972-952-9382



 > 

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:06:54 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: mail 1

sent for the 1st time
Matt

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:25:03 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 exhaust

Firestone on Rt. 58 in Riverhead NY has also done this for me. I recently
had wheel bearing races pressed in and a broken lug removed & replaced, and
the manager said just to take care of the guy w/ a tip. I also had them
mount & balance four tires that day, which I had purchased elsewhere (they
invoiced me for that though).

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----

<snip>The work I want done is usually so minor, the shop manager sends me to
talk to the welder and tells me to just take care of him. </snip>

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:28:22 -0700
From: "John Holt sr" <johnlholtsr@hotmail.com>
Subject: Rear End Specialists 

Sorry If this is late, I too am on digest...

That cross shaft reminds me a little of what mine looked like in a hot rod I 
had, lots of hp, old 8.2 early style 10 bolt chevy... I believe what is 
causing that is the spider gears galling the cross shaft, caused by spinning 
tires, or getting stuck in the mud and rocking back and forth, basically 
overpowering the spiders. What ended up happening in my case was that the 
cross shaft finally spun and broke the retaining bolt and the shaft became 
airborne out the back of the case. Granted I had a 400 sm blk built up and a 
stock rear in one case, but it also happened in a Dodge Power Wagon. In both 
instances the retaining pin broke and the shaft came out. I believe that it 
is a flawed design in that when the pin breaks, and it does under a certain 
overload condition, if it gets jammed in the housing, it can expode your 
transmission if cruising down the hiway about 70 mph.(also happened to one 
of my trucks). Seems to me If the engineers would put an inside lock ring 
and shorten the shaft a few thousandths of an inch, the inner retaining lock 
ring would never allow the shaft to pop out.
Comments anyone... Milton???



John

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:47:00 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Rear End Specialists

Is there anyone who knows of a hardened steel replacment retaining  pin? Is
it already hardened steel?

~snip~> causing that is the spider gears galling the cross
shaft, caused by spinning tires~snip~

I know that is the same thing that happened to me except the spider gears
exploded and the retaining pin was sheared off the shaft.

Pat Swanton
Winchester NH
1978 Cutlass Supreme
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Holt sr" <johnlholtsr@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:28 PM
Subject: Rear End Specialists


> Sorry If this is late, I too am on digest...
>
> That cross shaft reminds me a little of what mine looked like in a hot rod
I
> had, lots of hp, old 8.2 early style 10 bolt chevy... I believe what is
> causing that is the spider gears galling the cross shaft, caused by
spinning
> tires, or getting stuck in the mud and rocking back and forth, basically
> overpowering the spiders. What ended up happening in my case was that the
> cross shaft finally spun and broke the retaining bolt and the shaft became
> airborne out the back of the case. Granted I had a 400 sm blk built up and
a
> stock rear in one case, but it also happened in a Dodge Power Wagon. In
both
> instances the retaining pin broke and the shaft came out. I believe that
it
> is a flawed design in that when the pin breaks, and it does under a
certain
> overload condition, if it gets jammed in the housing, it can expode your
> transmission if cruising down the hiway about 70 mph.(also happened to one
> of my trucks). Seems to me If the engineers would put an inside lock ring
> and shorten the shaft a few thousandths of an inch, the inner retaining
lock
> ring would never allow the shaft to pop out.
> Comments anyone... Milton???
>
>
>
> John
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:51:26 +0000
From: 77w30442@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Dyno Results, Part Two

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  sounds impressive , some day i will get my 455 finished
i sure do know what it means, wish i was back on the deck of a carrier again.
aside from running from aircraft to aircraft fixing last min. problems , the best reward was being a final checker up on the cat.  
we once launched a 1978 olds delta 88 off cat 1 to raise money for a childrens hosp. 
the next best feeling is the sound of a 455 toolin down the road
take care 
ron





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To:    oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:    Re: Dyno Results, Part Two
Date:    Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:03:20 +0000
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In a message dated 6/24/04 8:07:59 AM Pacific Daylight Time, imp@theriver.com
writes:

> Steve,
> 
> You get an "OK-3".
> 
> Ron Fama, Jim Zito, and Mark Mullins should know what that means.
> 
> Ok-3 means an arrested landing on a carrier deck is as good as it can get.
> God couldn't do it any better.
> 

Thanks, Milton!  Now if I can only keep from getting arrested when my front 
wheels land back on the pavement....    Just kidding.  I doubt that this will 
pull the front wheels, but I am going to give it a go.
Steve D


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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 6/24/04 8:07:59=20=
AM Pacific Daylight Time, imp@theriver.com<BR>
writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Steve,<BR>
<BR>
You get an "OK-3".<BR>
<BR>
Ron Fama, Jim Zito, and Mark Mullins should know what that means.<BR>
<BR>
Ok-3 means an arrested landing on a carrier deck is as good as it can get.<B=
R>
God couldn't do it any better.<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
Thanks, Milton!&nbsp; Now if I can only keep from getting arrested when my f=
ront wheels land back on the pavement....&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Just kidding.&nb=
sp; I doubt that this will pull the front wheels, but I am going to give it=20=
a go.<BR>
Steve D<BR>
<BR>
</FONT></HTML>
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:00:48 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Looking for a TRADE

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Hey all, 

  I am looking to trade my 1984 Grady White 22' Seafarer  for a Oldsmobile  
anything interesting.

Vinny

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:00:11 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Rear End Specialists 

> I believe what is
> causing that is the spider gears galling the cross shaft, caused by
spinning
> tires, or getting stuck in the mud and rocking back and forth, basically
> overpowering the spiders.


Could be.


> What ended up happening in my case was that the
> cross shaft finally spun and broke the retaining bolt and the shaft became
> airborne out the back of the case.


That's severe.


> In both
> instances the retaining pin broke and the shaft came out. I believe that
it
> is a flawed design in that when the pin breaks, and it does under a
certain
> overload condition, if it gets jammed in the housing,


...it could lock up spining parts. Yes, that would be a design flaw.


> Seems to me If the engineers would put an inside lock ring
> and shorten the shaft a few thousandths of an inch, the inner retaining
lock
> ring would never allow the shaft to pop out.


You have a point. I can't think of anything else right now.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:22:47 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Kevin Reichert

Kevin, the hood ornament arrived ok, very nice piece, original GM box,
wonderfull!!
Thanks a LOT
Matt

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:29:16 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Hurst shifter rebuilding details?

It seems the 1966 442 could use its shifter refurbished by the factory
I have heard that Husrt does this for cheap
Any specifics on how to get this done- url or whatnot?

Thanks!
Off to do a google search I guess.
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:30:39 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Found the Hurst thing...

that was easy
never mind

http://www.streetandstripmotorsports.com/professor_overdrive/prof_od.asp?Function=ViewDetails&ID=182

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:51:59 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: 81 CS sway bars needed

Matt, not sure about your budget, but I have to recommend the Hellwig 
bars.  They are available from Summit Racing, part #HEL-5700 for the 
front and part #HEL-5815 for the rear.  Reasonably priced for oversized 
bars, and make a large improvement in handling (recently installed these 
on my '78 CS).

HTH,
Michael Ecker

(sent from wrong email before, sorry if this double-posts)

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:11:59 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: GMB performance aluminum water pump on sale

OK..... unless something has radically changed, the Carter pumps are 
actually the old TRW pumps - cast iron bodies and about 12-13 lbs.  The 
FP1524HD may be an aluminum bodied pump but I'm pretty sure the listing 
is incorrect as to the weight of the FP1524.  I will say that I used to 
swear by the TRW pumps, before I found the GMB aluminum pumps.  FWIW I 
have tried one ASC WP-455 pump in the past and it was a good solid cast 
iron pump which performed well also.  One other drawback of the FP1524 
is the open impeller design which can cavitate at higher rpm's, while 
the GMB 130-1260P has a plate spot welded to the impeller to prevent this.

Flow Kooler sells a disc that can be riveted or welded to the impeller 
of pumps like the Carter to achieve the same end. Per Summit (in May of 
2002):
BRA-3500-01 DISC FLO KOOLER 5.95
They quoted this as the correct application for Oldsmobile V8 engine 
water pumps, but a quick look at Summit's site indicates this as the 
Chevy application - good possibility it will work on either I cannot 
find any listing to confirm this as an Olds application.

Flow Kooler does not list the discs on their website, but does say this 
about their pumps:
"FlowKooler water pumps are the highest flow rate pumps on the market 
today for engine speeds between idle and 3300 RPM"
Their #1775 pump (for later Olds V8's w/ AC) supposedly has a 16 blade 
specially designed impeller, while the #1776 non-AC application uses the 
standard 6 blade impeller design, as do all of their 1970 and earlier 
Olds replacement pumps.

I have never tried the Carter FP1524HD and so cannot comment on them.  
The 130-1260 is a cast iron pump, but the 130-1260P is aluminum and only 
weighs 6 lbs (taken off the Airborne Express label on the 130-1260P box 
in my garage - purchased through Autozone about a year ago), so that one 
is listed incorrectly with respect to weight also.

I just checked my latest P.AW. catalog, the Carter pumps are listed 
there as new and not reman'd, and the part# is listed as TRW-FP1524 
which confirms my suspicions about Carter purchasing the old TRW 
toolings.  The P.A.W. catalog does not tell what the pump bodies are 
made of but the photo is questionable.  The TRW-FP1524 pump from P.A.W. 
is only $34.95 (shipping is $9.95 for orders under $150.00), so I would 
call them at 818-678-3000 if you want the Carter pump.  As I said, I 
have NEVER had a problem or failure with a TRW replacement water pump in 
the past, I just like the weight savings and better impeller design of 
the GMB pumps.  P.A.W. also has listings for other Olds applications, 
including non-ac and earlier model lengths back to 1965 (as well as 
listings for other engine families).

See this page (cannot vouch for it's validity):

http://www.california.com/~eagle/watpump.html

It appears that the FP1524HD pump has (or at least used to have) an 8 
blade impeller with the disc on the back, while the FP1524 has the 
stamped 6 blade open impeller.  Both pumps appear to have a cast iron 
body from those pics.

As far as the earlier (pre-1968) engines, choices are pretty much 
limited to reman'd pumps from Parts America (manufactured by Cardone - 
cost around $30-$35), or new TRW/Carter pump #TRW-FP1343 (listing 
indicates early non-ac application, but I think it is the correct length 
for pre-1968 small blocks so verify before ordering).  The Carter pump 
is available from P.A.W. for $54.95 + shipping.  Alternate option is the 
Flow Kooler pump, #1575 (cost over $100, cast iron body, 6 blade 
impeller, sounds just like the Carter pump at over twice the price).

HTH,

Michael Ecker

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:58:12 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Eek!  Of Mice and Oldsmobiles....

All,

	Well well . . . I thought it would never happen to me.

	Oh, and to the purists (I tend to occasionally fall in that category), I'm
not talking smallblock Chevy....


	Changed the oil in both my 1972 Olds 98 (the eventual 455 donor) and the
1979 Cutlass Calais.  Both had oil almost 2 years old.  Both had just under
200 miles on said oil.


	Anyway, drove the Calais around a bit, and the 260 still rides nicely.
Pings at part throttle when hot, but I've got a vacuum leak to track down.
One day, I might actually get around to doing it.

	Nothing unusual.

	2 days later, I go into the Calais for some paperwork.  Now the 98 is kept
outside, but on a concrete driveway.  The Calais in an attached garage.

	Hmm . . odd plastic thing on driver's seat.  Must've fallen off from
something *sigh* gotta figure out where it goes.

	Pick it up, feels plastic....

	Lighting's not so good, but it's a little odd feeling, very light and
EEWWWWWW!!!

	Dead mouse.  Very small one, not decaying or anything, but it grossed me
the heck out nonetheless.

	Ugh, and apparently it left little mousie presents as it died.  Wonderful,
I get to vacuum up some mouse feces.

	No rot or anything, and seemed sort of, not exactly petrified, but I can't
think of how else to describe it.  Almost as if it'd been stuffed for the
mantlepiece, except it's not.  Kinda weird.

	I can't figure how it got in the car.  I know that the seal at the bottom
of my garage door is slightly torn, so very small animals might get into
the garage, but I can't for the life of me determine how the mouse actually
got inside the car itself.

	Now what?  Do I start worrying about hantavirus and such?  Do I look
somewhere in particular in the car for a nest?

	At the very least, I have an excuse to "have" to drive the car more often
than I have.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:27:59 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: another lost mail

Funny thing - all your complaints about the list always seem to appear
just fine. 

There are a lot of places mail can vaporize between Nova Scotia and Chile.

Greg

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000 wrote:
> second today... has not appeared yet..
> Matt
> > Look, how strange, the last but one mail has not appeared, this one yes -
> > when I complain it appears ok... ist there a gremlin in the chebucto
> > mainframe?
> > Matt
> > > Dear fellows, this Olds list works really bad!
> > > It makes an hour or so that I've send an email to the lista and still
> > > nothing, if it goes like this I will quit it, going to the cutlassowner
> or
> > > so.
> 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:22:34 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Hurst shifter rebuilding details?

i believe its 45.00 or 90.00 contact hurst directly
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 5:29 PM
Subject: Hurst shifter rebuilding details?


> It seems the 1966 442 could use its shifter refurbished by the factory
> I have heard that Husrt does this for cheap
> Any specifics on how to get this done- url or whatnot?
>
> Thanks!
> Off to do a google search I guess.
> ----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:35:08 -0400
From: "vze210y3" <vze210y3@verizon.net>
Subject: Part Needed

'Looking for the plastic "housing" that mounts to the back of the fold-down
armrest of a 60/40 bench in a '75 Delta 88.  This thing basically just
conceals the hinges on the armrest.  Local GM dealer confirmed today that
it's just not available anymore.  Mine is so UV damaged that it's faded and
crumbling.  (Of course, using it as support when I was climbing in and out
of the back seat to fix my top didn't help.)   I'd love to find one in
burgundy to match the car, but realize that may be too much to ask and could
paint any color to match (sources for the dye?).  Help appreciated.
Thanks in advance.

Scott
75 Delta 88 Royale Conv.
71 442 Conv.

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:44:39 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Part Needed

try unuiqe auto n truck  in jackson nj
he has a web addy  just dont know it off hand
ron 

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "vze210y3" <vze210y3@verizon.net>
To: "Olds List" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 9:35 PM
Subject: Part Needed


> 'Looking for the plastic "housing" that mounts to the back of the fold-down
> armrest of a 60/40 bench in a '75 Delta 88.  This thing basically just
> conceals the hinges on the armrest.  Local GM dealer confirmed today that
> it's just not available anymore.  Mine is so UV damaged that it's faded and
> crumbling.  (Of course, using it as support when I was climbing in and out
> of the back seat to fix my top didn't help.)   I'd love to find one in
> burgundy to match the car, but realize that may be too much to ask and could
> paint any color to match (sources for the dye?).  Help appreciated.
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Scott
> 75 Delta 88 Royale Conv.
> 71 442 Conv.
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:08:02 -0400
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Fathers day 455

Checked for the elusive Forged Crank yet?
Crank has the C notch so it is probably a nodular crank

* The stamp is generally on the RH head, not LH. Then again if they were off
a 67 motor then they were likely put on w/o regard to L vs R. Or, you were
facing backwards and thus reversed L and R, in your mind. The _engine's_
Left is always its Left regardless of how you stand/ face.

The stamp is on the rear of the head on the drivers side of the car.(Right
side facing the front of the engine)
Also noticed that the intake has a thin metal sheet sticking out against the
head. Didn't think factory intake gaskets are metal.
Maybe the motors original heads where removed and 67 heads installed
instead.
Didn't all 69 455 intakes have the square mechanical choke linkage? This one
has the oval type with the heat tubes.
I'm begining to think this engine has been taken apart and rebuilt with
different parts.

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:51:30 -0400
From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: 81 CS sway bars needed

Thanks Michael, but the price is a factor - Nasta send me excelent bars at
75 + H&S, now I can get a used one for the rear at 30... I guess those HEL
will run at +++ bucks. Anyway I will study it, Thanks
Matt
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Ecker" <ecker567@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 6:51 PM
Subject: RE: 81 CS sway bars needed


> Matt, not sure about your budget, but I have to recommend the Hellwig
> bars.  They are available from Summit Racing, part #HEL-5700 for the
> front and part #HEL-5815 for the rear.  Reasonably priced for oversized
> bars, and make a large improvement in handling (recently installed these
> on my '78 CS).
>
> HTH,
> Michael Ecker
>
> (sent from wrong email before, sorry if this double-posts)
>

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:53:17 -0400
From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: another lost mail

THAT IS true... but some of my tech mails are getting lost, and I{m not
alone to notice lost mails...


> Funny thing - all your complaints about the list always seem to appear
> just fine.
>
> There are a lot of places mail can vaporize between Nova Scotia and Chile.
>
> Greg

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:58:52 -0700
From: Curt Brennan <cabrennan@charter.net>
Subject: oldsmobile- Kind of Off Topic in PNW.............

Pacific Northwest Members...........OFF TOPIC, but Olds RELATED.

- ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Gents.............

I'm looking for a good running (used) small block Chevy motor and
auto trans for a project I just picked up. ('72 El Camino).

Anybody out there know anyone, who knows someone, who knows someone
else.........(in the PNW)..........that might have a good used Chevy
small block and auto trans sitting around?

The Camino currently has a smooth running Olds 455, but needs a
rebuild.   Is there a market for this motor (to help offset the cost of
the Small Block installation?)   The 455 has an Edelbrock Performer
intake manifold and Holley 750 dual feed carb (that works well).
455 Motor runs SMOOTH but needs rebuild.......

No "flames or wisecracks" please...........    ;-)

Please lemme know...............
I am on "digest mode" so please email me directly with info.
Cabrennan@charter.net

Thanks,
Curt with '66 442 (91,000 miles).
And '72 El Camino with Olds 455

(in Eastern Washington State)

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:08:15 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 81 CS sway bars needed

Many of the bars I sell are from Hellwig. Even if the part numbers start
with ADDC on my site, it's not necessarily an ADDCO bar. In some cases I
have changed vendors or a part is available from more than one vendor. For
the sake of record keeping, I don't change the part numbers on my site when
I change vendors. Also the links that have been spidered by the search
engines would not work any longer if the part number was changed, because
the p/n is part of the URL (gotta hold onto those search rankings).

Anyway, these sway bars are not exactly rocket science (no pun intended). My
guess is that the same thickness bar from either vendor would serve the
purpose just as well.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----

Thanks Michael, but the price is a factor - Nasta send me excelent bars at
75 + H&S, now I can get a used one for the rear at 30... I guess those HEL
will run at +++ bucks. Anyway I will study it, Thanks
Matt

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:37:04 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: "Hurst" body plate... with no H/O relevance at all?

I found this on eVil

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2482879669

and asked the seller the following:

"uhm... since all '68 Hurst/Oldses were Peruvian Silver with a "dash-dash" 
paint code, and your body plate says otherwise... what's "Hurst" about it? 
Striving for accuracy and HONESTY here... Chris 517-449-0432"

- ----------------------
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

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Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 01:34:37 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile- Kind of Off Topic in PNW.............

Why does the 455 need a rebuild if it runs so smooth?
Methinks a SBC 350 core will cost you quite a bit. Really, with the same
forged pistons and whatnot, you're only ahead of the game by $200 or so by
rebuilding something with 100 less cubes and 100-150 less HP. I think it's
worth it to keep the big block, but alas, the ancient proverb "Don't mix
Chevy with Olds" stands...
Chris
- ----- Original Message -----
> The Camino currently has a smooth running Olds 455, but needs a
> rebuild.   Is there a market for this motor (to help offset the cost of
> the Small Block installation?)   The 455 has an Edelbrock Performer
> intake manifold and Holley 750 dual feed carb (that works well).
> 455 Motor runs SMOOTH but needs rebuild.......

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 23:58:32 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Fathers day 455

Dan,

> Also noticed that the intake has a thin metal sheet sticking out against
the
> head. Didn't think factory intake gaskets are metal.


Second generation Olds engines are assembled at the factory with the
embossed steel turkey tray intake gasket.

First generation Olds engines also used an embossed steel intake gasket, but
there was no turkey tray. Those engines had a separate valley cover.

Olds engineers had a love affair with embossed steel intake gaskets.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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