
oldsmobile-digest      Saturday, August 14 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4988



Re: of garage lengths and car lengths
Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...
Re: dash pad question
Re: Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...
Energy Suspension Kit
Re: Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...
Re: Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...
Re: Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...
Re: Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...
RE: Energy Suspension Kit
Re: dash pad question
Cragar Protec Wheels
RE: Cragar Protec Wheels
Re: Energy Suspension Kit
442 Shifters
RE: trunk pan 1967-68 88/98 and Delmont
Re: 442 Shifters
Ship a TH400?
so I got the non-Olds....
Re: Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...
Woodward Dream Cruise - Olds hotspots
Re: Cragar Protec Wheels
RE: Cragar Protec Wheels
Re: Cragar Protec Wheels
Contact Info
Re: Contact Info
seat belts
Re: Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...
Re: Olds O type carrier, 67-70

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 09:53:41 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: of garage lengths and car lengths

> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:25:26 +0000
> From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: of garage lengths and car lengths
> 
> Also, on a more practical basis, the black paint and 
> (especially) black roof is going to make the car noticeably 
> hotter inside on sunny days

Out here it's ALWAYS a sunny day (except when Mark needs to change 
his starter, of course). When a car sits outside in the blazing inferno 
of 115º+ in the shade, then add the relentless, scorching broiler of 
direct sunshine, it really doesn't matter what color the car is. After 
an hour or so everything heats up to the same temperature. 

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:06:06 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...

Everyone,

Need help with this one in fairly short order....

Didn't think much of it when my wife said the car stalled once the other
night on her.  She restarted it, and everything was fine, and I remember
thinking that it was odd, because this car has NEVER done that before.

Okay, no biggie.

Today on the way home, on the expressway, I twice felt a slight jolt, and
saw the speedo drop down suddenly, then pop right back up where it
belonged, along with a brief flicking on of the dashboard warning lights.

Odd.... but what is it?

Later on, same trip, I would on slowdown feel the car stumble once or
twice, and once or twice had a surge in engine speed that momentarily
fought my efforts to slow down.  Once at a light, the idle speed upticked
noticeably, then settled down.

And just before getting home, usually when taking a turn, most of the time
triggered by me touching the brakes to slow down, the car would stall out,
with all the usual dash lights coming on.

I thought somehow the brake switch might be triggering something, but those
momentary losses of power at highway speeds did not involve using the
brakes at all.

Any thoughts?  I'm at a loss on this one... and at the moment this car is
my only reliable driver.  In fact, in theory, I'm supposed to pick up the
car that will replace my Honda today, except the owner hasn't yet called,
and now I'm questioning whether or not I can even get there!


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 11:11:23 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: dash pad question

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On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, chris smetana wrote:
> Well, concerning 70-72 dash pads (and 68-69 to as the variations are 
the
> same).  There are two types, but 3 configurations.  The first type is
> the completely ventless ones.  These are on non a/c post cars, such 
as
> your W-31.  The other version has the 3 vent holes (one on each end 
and
> one in the center).  These are found on non post cars.

Not true for '68 at least. My '68 S is a Holiday Coupe (i.e. non-post),
non-A/C, and has no vent holes in the dash pad. That may have changed 
in
'69 when they dropped the vent windows.

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Greg,

How many pull knobs on your kick panels do you have?  I'm going to guess one.  68 is the "odd" year for lack of a better term because ALL the A-bodies still had vent windows.  But they also still had the ignition key in the dash which is cool.

Chris

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<P>On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, chris smetana wrote:<BR>&gt; Well, concerning 70-72 dash pads (and 68-69 to as the variations are <BR>the<BR>&gt; same).&nbsp; There are two types, but 3 configurations.&nbsp; The first type is<BR>&gt; the completely ventless ones.&nbsp; These are on non a/c post cars, such <BR>as<BR>&gt; your W-31.&nbsp; The other version has the 3 vent holes (one on each end <BR>and<BR>&gt; one in the center).&nbsp; These are found on non post cars.<BR><BR>Not true for '68 at least. My '68 S is a Holiday Coupe (i.e. non-post),<BR>non-A/C, and has no vent holes in the dash pad. That may have changed <BR>in<BR>'69 when they dropped the vent windows.</P>
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<P>How many pull knobs on your kick panels do you have?&nbsp; I'm going to guess one.&nbsp; 68 is the "odd" year for lack of a better term because ALL the A-bodies still had vent windows.&nbsp; But they also still had the ignition key in the dash which is cool.</P>
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:46:54 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Re: Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...

Joe,

There was talk of a similar problem on the Toronado list,  It was a bad
alternator, and the voltage fluctuations affect the computer... Hmm, do you have
a computer on that one?

Steve K.



Everyone,

Need help with this one in fairly short order....

Any thoughts?  I'm at a loss on this one... and at the moment this car is
my only reliable driver.  In fact, in theory, I'm supposed to pick up the
car that will replace my Honda today, except the owner hasn't yet called,
and now I'm questioning whether or not I can even get there!


             - Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:52:09 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Energy Suspension Kit

Hi All,

Where can one find the best price on an Energy Suspension Kit?  Is there a
difference between the poly bushing and the graphite impregnated one?

Thanks,  Steve K.

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:32:38 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...

At 12:46 PM 08/13/2004 -0500, Steve K. wrote:
>Joe,
>
>There was talk of a similar problem on the Toronado list,  It was a bad
>alternator, and the voltage fluctuations affect the computer... Hmm, do
you have
>a computer on that one?
>

Most definitely computerized.  3800 V6 with SFI.

I should probably run this thing down to my workplace and hook up the
charging system tester.

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:35:28 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...

Joe Vahabzadeh wrote:
> At 12:46 PM 08/13/2004 -0500, Steve K. wrote:
> 
>>Joe,
>>
>>There was talk of a similar problem on the Toronado list,  It was a bad
>>alternator, and the voltage fluctuations affect the computer... Hmm, do
> 
> you have
> 
>>a computer on that one?
>>
> 
> 
> Most definitely computerized.  3800 V6 with SFI.
> 
> I should probably run this thing down to my workplace and hook up the
> charging system tester.
> 
> 	- Joe Vahabzadeh
> 
> 
> 
Joe
    The one on the toro list talked about a bad internal regualtor
If you check charging system amps it may show OK. check the vr function
also flickering lights and things like dash lights being too bright were 
some of the symptoms
LOL
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:38:00 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...

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king_v@mindless.com writes:

Today on  the way home, on the expressway, I twice felt a slight jolt, and
saw the  speedo drop down suddenly, then pop right back up where it
belonged, along  with a brief flicking on of the dashboard warning  lights.



Check the easy fix first: Make sure your battery cables are tight.
 
Bruce
75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92  Eldo

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 14:55:43 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...

At 02:35 PM 08/13/2004 -0400, John wrote:
>Joe
>    The one on the toro list talked about a bad internal regualtor
>If you check charging system amps it may show OK. check the vr function
>also flickering lights and things like dash lights being too bright were 
>some of the symptoms

There's something on the tester that would indicate problems with "diode
ripple" . . is that what it would be?

As far as I know, our tester checks voltage regulator volts, amperage out
of the alternator, and "diode ripple".

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 13:46:49 -0500
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: RE: Energy Suspension Kit

I don't have direct experience with graphite impregnated vs non-impregnated
with respect to suspension bushings however I can tell you this.  As a
general rule graphite impregnated non-metallic bushings will have a lower
coefficient of friction than non-impregnated.  I'm not sure how important
this is as I believe all poly suspension bushings are intended to be greased
anyways.

Eric Beaupre

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From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of
SKammerer@alberto.com
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 12:52 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Energy Suspension Kit






Hi All,

Where can one find the best price on an Energy Suspension Kit?  Is there a
difference between the poly bushing and the graphite impregnated one?

Thanks,  Steve K.

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:13:43 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: dash pad question

On Fri, 13 Aug 2004, chris smetana wrote:
 
> How many pull knobs on your kick panels do you have?  I'm going to guess
> one.  68 is the "odd" year for lack of a better term because ALL the
> A-bodies still had vent windows.  But they also still had the ignition
> key in the dash which is cool. 

In the immortal words of Ed McMahon: "You are CORRECT, sir!" :)

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:26:28 -0400
From: "Chris Urban" <urbanch@ca.inter.net>
Subject: Cragar Protec Wheels

Does anyone have a picture of these and if so could you kindly send me a
copy?

Thanks
Chris Urban 

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Schopen, Kenneth
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 12:54 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: of garage lengths and car lengths

> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:25:26 +0000
> From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: of garage lengths and car lengths
> 
> Also, on a more practical basis, the black paint and
> (especially) black roof is going to make the car noticeably hotter 
> inside on sunny days

Out here it's ALWAYS a sunny day (except when Mark needs to change his
starter, of course). When a car sits outside in the blazing inferno of 115º+
in the shade, then add the relentless, scorching broiler of direct sunshine,
it really doesn't matter what color the car is. After an hour or so
everything heats up to the same temperature. 

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:19:09 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Cragar Protec Wheels

>Does anyone have a picture of these and if so could you kindly send me a
>copy?

I had the following useful exchange with Google Image Search just now, for 
your amusement:

ME: (typing) Google Image Search "Cragar Protec Wheels"

GOOGLE: Your search - Cragar Protec Wheels - did not match any documents.
GOOGLE:
GOOGLE: Did you mean: Cragar Protech [with an "h"] Wheels

ME: (thinking: Why yes! I did mean Cragar Protech Wheels!)
ME:
ME: Google Image Search "Cragar Protech Wheels"

GOOGLE: Your search - Cragar Protech Wheels - did not match any documents.

*sigh*

At least you have the correct spelling now...

Is it time to go home yet?  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 15:18:48 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Energy Suspension Kit

> Where can one find the best price on an Energy Suspension Kit?


Go to http://www.energysuspension.com/index.html

To Buy Products shown on this web site-Energy Suspension ® products are only
available from retailers--such as most performance automotive retail stores,
automotive retail web sites and automotive mail order companies. This web
site is not an on-line store. You will have to contact a retailer to
purchase all products (except apparel items). Apparel shown on this web
site- these items are available directly from us or your favorite
performance automotive retailer. COLORS- Energy Suspension ® polyurethane
products are available in two colors: black (for that stock/OEM look) and
red (for that high performance & custom look); Energy's shock boots in ten
different colors.


> Is there a
> difference between the poly bushing and the graphite impregnated one?


>From http://www.energysuspension.com/pages/comquest.html

1) What is the difference between the Energy Suspension ® red and black
polyurethane components?
Answer: Both are our Energy's HYPER-FLEXT performance polyurethane
formulations. Energy has impregnated selected black polyurethane components
with graphite-to add a lubrication property. Additionally, both Energy
Suspension ® red and black polyurethane components are engineered
differently than OEM rubber components-to be free a floating and non-binding
design. This allows for the additional durometer (firmness) of the
components, which adds to the performance improvement of the vehicle
overall. Through its 25 years of design and formulation of polyurethane,
Energy's polyurethane components are the best on the market today.

I prefer to use the Energy Suspension black components, where available.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:15:31 -0400
From: "Mike Stilwell" <Fleetsuper@msn.com>
Subject: 442 Shifters

Following up on the conversation about the different shifters that came in
442's in the 60's and early 70's.  The original conversation was in regard
to the shifters that came in the 65's.

Check out the picture I just uploaded to my site;
http://bigmikes442.com/_wsn/page3.html

As you can see, the shifter on the far right has the 442, and the "HURST".
I've been told by more than a few folks that this shifter does not exist,
however, how do you explain the shifter in my car?  Like I've said before,
I've seen this shifter in two other 1970 442's.  I'd love to know for sure
what years this shifter came in.

The other two shifters are from left to right, the one year only 1965
shifter.  These are easily spotted at swap meets by the mounting flange
base. The middle shifter with the "H" is for sure a 1966- 1968 at least.

That's it for now.  Getting ready for our annual show tomorrow that will
undoubtedly be rained out.  Ah the joys of a rain or shine show. Sitting in
a show field waiting for the brave souls that come out.

Mike Stilwell  OCA #13273
President - Capitol City Rockets
http://www.bigmikes442.com

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 19:26:23 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: trunk pan 1967-68 88/98 and Delmont

That's exactly why I know for sure that it would fit a 70.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Jack Kopf
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 2:29 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: trunk pan 1967-68 88/98 and Delmont

It came out of a '70

Jack

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of John Nasta
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 6:46 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: RE: trunk pan 1967-68 88/98 and Delmont


John, it's yours for the taking as long as you can transport it. Keep in
mind that it's too big for UPS or FedEx and would have to be picked up by
truck. I'm sure it fits up to 1970 and probably up to 1972.

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:57:26 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 442 Shifters

Mike,

>From what I can tell from the photos, those are basically GM factory Hurst
handle clone shifters. The handle is what has been changed, which was done
as a promotion by GM a great many times. They used the Hurst mystique for
marketing purposes, with permission from Hurst.

What I want to know is if the second and third shift handles mount the same
way as the first handle in the first photo. I sure would like to see more
detailed pictures of those GM shifters. I can absolutely guarantee to anyone
that mounting system shown is ***NOT*** from a Hurst Competition Plus
4-speed or 3-speed shifter!

First, on a genuine Hurst Competition Plus shifter, there is a thick "C"
channel chunk of steel rising vertically from the shifter mechanism. The
bottom of the Hurst shift handle slides into that "C" channel. Two grade 8
bolts go horizontally, left-to-right, through the "C" channel and the base
of the shift handle. That is how the handle bolts onto the shifter
mechanism. It is incredibly strong. That is ***only*** present on a
Competition Plus.

Second, the Competition Plus shifter mechanism is self contained within a
very strong "box" structure. Both the protruding shift levers on the bottom
and the shifter levers on the transmission use nylon inserts as stock and
sintered bronze bushings optional to attach the shift rods in-between those
2 sets of levers. Finally, Hurst uses a special twisted rod clip for locking
the adjustable threaded clevises to the shifter levers and the rod ends to
the transmission levers. The appearance of everything is rugged and beefy.

That's how one tells a factory GM Hurst shifter clone from a genuine Hurst
Competition Plus.


> Following up on the conversation about the different shifters that came in
> 442's in the 60's and early 70's.  The original conversation was in regard
> to the shifters that came in the 65's.
>
> Check out the picture I just uploaded to my site;
> http://bigmikes442.com/_wsn/page3.html
>
> As you can see, the shifter on the far right has the 442, and the "HURST".
> I've been told by more than a few folks that this shifter does not exist,
> however, how do you explain the shifter in my car?


No! They do exist, and I've seen them before, by the hundreds, a long time
ago. One reason why those shifters may now be rare is that most owners
replaced them with genuine Hurst Competition Plus shifters. The original GM
Hurst clone shifter was thrown away. I know. We threw away a lot of them
after our shop installed a new Competition Plus, and the owner didn't want
to keep the old shifter. Of course, almost all of the pure GM 4-speed
shifters got replaced and junked very quickly, for they were of only
mediocre quality.


 > Like I've said before,
> I've seen this shifter in two other 1970 442's.  I'd love to know for sure
> what years this shifter came in.


I believe you, without question.


> The other two shifters are from left to right, the one year only 1965
> shifter.  These are easily spotted at swap meets by the mounting flange
> base. The middle shifter with the "H" is for sure a 1966- 1968 at least.


I can't remember which year is what. It's too long ago. I was only
interested in seeing an owner buy a Competition Plus, because it was and
still is the absolute best.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 22:40:31 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Ship a TH400?

I wonder how much it would cost to ship a tranny to KS from NY. I'd like to
send the guy the #'s matching unit as well for the same reason.

John Nasta
==========
I have shipped shortshaft TH400's sans converter via FedEx economically. 
They did drop -n- break the bellhouse on one.
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:09:35 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: so I got the non-Olds....

All,

	Ok, between something of time pressure, and future potential and CHEAP
availability of stuff... I got the 80K mile 1988 Thunderbird... V8 of course.

	So now here's my dilemma.  I bought a non-Olds.

	Well, ok, that's not the REAL dilemma.  Well, it is, but indirectly.  See,
with Oldsmobile, I've got this email list that I'm a member of, you all
might've heard of it.  ;)


	With the Ford, well, I know it's a Fox-body, I know it shares a lot of
Mustang parts, and I know the 5.0 is NOT the same as that in the Mustang.

	And that's about it.


	Does anyone here either know of, or have membership to, an equally
friendly, knowledgeable, and helpful email-list that might give me the same
guidance with the Ford that I've had from this list with my Oldsmobiles?

	I'm not exaggerating when I say I feel slightly lost right now, having
this car with potentially "neat-o" factor, but not knowing a darn thing
about it!

	Thanks in advance!


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:15:41 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...

At 02:55 PM 08/13/2004 -0400, I wrote:
>As far as I know, our tester checks voltage regulator volts, amperage out
>of the alternator, and "diode ripple".

*sigh* . . score 1 for the "intermittent problems" ghost.

Took the Olds to the local Autozone where I work, and carted out the
battery and charging system tester.

Regulator Volts = 14.09
Alternator Output = 85.5 amps (should be 70% or higher of the 105 amps the
alt is rated at)
Diode Ripple = good

Behaved itself absolutely perfectly.  I wonder if I would've had the same
results if I'd've tested it while the car was behaving like it had St.
Vitus' Dance.

Had to drive 45 miles each way, some in traffic, some highway, to pick up
the car I just bought.  Not a single hiccup.

My wife's now en-route with a friend to upstate NY with the car, against my
advice, better judgement, and overall paranoia.  I really REALLY hope that
AAA plan she has is unlimited towing rather than 100 miles of towing, just
in case.  It's a 3 hour or more trip.

I hope my sense of paranoia is wrong.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 23:34:31 EDT
From: LooseCanno@aol.com
Subject: Woodward Dream Cruise - Olds hotspots

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Hey gang, 
It's been a while since I've posted... probably 5 years since I was lambasted 
for.... well, never mind.

Anyway, I've migrated to Michigan and brought my '69 Cutlass 'S' convertible, 
and now I wanna know ---

Where do the Olds guys (and cars) hang out along Woodward?

If you tell me, I'll meet you there!

Thanks!
Erik

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<DIV>Hey gang, </DIV>
<DIV>It's been a while since I've posted... probably 5 years since I was lam=
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, I've migrated to Michigan and brought my '69 Cutlass 'S' conver=
tible, and now I wanna know ---</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Where do the Olds guys (and cars) hang out along Woodward?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>If you tell me, I'll meet you there!</DIV>
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Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 21:29:04 -0700
From: "Rick & Roxanne" <aremessenger@icehouse.net>
Subject: Re: Cragar Protec Wheels

Have you tried Les Schwabs site, they have a classic cataloge.     Rick
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Urban" <urbanch@ca.inter.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:26 PM
Subject: Cragar Protec Wheels


> Does anyone have a picture of these and if so could you kindly send me a
> copy?
>
> Thanks
> Chris Urban
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Schopen, Kenneth
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 12:54 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: of garage lengths and car lengths
>
> > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:25:26 +0000
> > From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: of garage lengths and car lengths
> >
> > Also, on a more practical basis, the black paint and
> > (especially) black roof is going to make the car noticeably hotter
> > inside on sunny days
>
> Out here it's ALWAYS a sunny day (except when Mark needs to change his
> starter, of course). When a car sits outside in the blazing inferno of
115º+
> in the shade, then add the relentless, scorching broiler of direct
sunshine,
> it really doesn't matter what color the car is. After an hour or so
> everything heats up to the same temperature.
>
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> Phoenix, AZ
>

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:57:44 -0400
From: "Chris Urban" <urbanch@ca.inter.net>
Subject: RE: Cragar Protec Wheels

Thanks I will. 

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Rick & Roxanne
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 12:29 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Cragar Protec Wheels

Have you tried Les Schwabs site, they have a classic cataloge.     Rick
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Urban" <urbanch@ca.inter.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:26 PM
Subject: Cragar Protec Wheels


> Does anyone have a picture of these and if so could you kindly send me a
> copy?
>
> Thanks
> Chris Urban
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Schopen, Kenneth
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 12:54 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: of garage lengths and car lengths
>
> > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:25:26 +0000
> > From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: of garage lengths and car lengths
> >
> > Also, on a more practical basis, the black paint and
> > (especially) black roof is going to make the car noticeably hotter
> > inside on sunny days
>
> Out here it's ALWAYS a sunny day (except when Mark needs to change his
> starter, of course). When a car sits outside in the blazing inferno of
115º+
> in the shade, then add the relentless, scorching broiler of direct
sunshine,
> it really doesn't matter what color the car is. After an hour or so
> everything heats up to the same temperature.
>
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> Phoenix, AZ
>

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:27:04 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Cragar Protec Wheels

Chrise PLEASE!!!  turn off your response request option on yor email program

Allen Schwartz
Alpine Paving Services, LLC
mycj@tds.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chris Urban" <urbanch@ca.inter.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 7:57 AM
Subject: RE: Cragar Protec Wheels


> Thanks I will.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Rick & Roxanne
> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 12:29 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Cragar Protec Wheels
>
> Have you tried Les Schwabs site, they have a classic cataloge.     Rick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Urban" <urbanch@ca.inter.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:26 PM
> Subject: Cragar Protec Wheels
>
>
> > Does anyone have a picture of these and if so could you kindly send me a
> > copy?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Chris Urban
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> > [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Schopen, Kenneth
> > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 12:54 PM
> > To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > Subject: Re: of garage lengths and car lengths
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 19:25:26 +0000
> > > From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: of garage lengths and car lengths
> > >
> > > Also, on a more practical basis, the black paint and
> > > (especially) black roof is going to make the car noticeably hotter
> > > inside on sunny days
> >
> > Out here it's ALWAYS a sunny day (except when Mark needs to change his
> > starter, of course). When a car sits outside in the blazing inferno of
> 115º+
> > in the shade, then add the relentless, scorching broiler of direct
> sunshine,
> > it really doesn't matter what color the car is. After an hour or so
> > everything heats up to the same temperature.
> >
> > Kenneth
> > 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> > Phoenix, AZ
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 10:24:45 -0400
From: OldsEnuf@webtv.net (Mark Sopp)
Subject: Contact Info

Fellow lister and my friend, Eric McTague
lives in Punta Gorda.He emailed me at 3:30 yesterday while waiting for
the storm.
It came.

I want to contact him.

Does anyone have his cell phone or home telephone number?

Please reply privately.

Regards,
Markas

http://community.webtv.net/vfquick442/My1970442

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 10:35:18 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Contact Info

all phones  are limited due to poles and tower damage. i also have friends there,  i will pass info
on to my friend  who is in national gaurd to see if he can locate him. best wishes to all the people
hit by this storm
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mark Sopp" <OldsEnuf@webtv.net>
To: <thelist@toronado.net>; <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 10:24 AM
Subject: Contact Info


> Fellow lister and my friend, Eric McTague
> lives in Punta Gorda.He emailed me at 3:30 yesterday while waiting for
> the storm.
> It came.
>
> I want to contact him.
>
> Does anyone have his cell phone or home telephone number?
>
> Please reply privately.
>
> Regards,
> Markas
>
> http://community.webtv.net/vfquick442/My1970442
>
>

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 10:46:32 EDT
From: ShadowForSale@aol.com
Subject: seat belts

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Hello
 
I cant seem to find seatbelts for my 72 442. I have good belts now, but the  
retractors wont work. both sides are stuck in the fully retracted position. 
Any  hints on fixing the retractors, or finding suitable replacements?
 
Thanks
BK

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 11:35:35 EDT
From: Joehume@aol.com
Subject: Re: Panic... 1989 Eighty-Eight erratic behavior/stalling...

Joe-My wife's '01 Aurora had numerous electrical problems, some similar to  
what you describe.  It took almost six months at the dealer, but in the end  it 
was a broken negative battery cable.  Can't believe that they didn't  start 
there, but with all the electronically controlled devices today's cars  have, 
my first suggestion to anyone with electrical problems is start with the  
obvious.  Begin at the battery and work out.  
Hope this helps.  Good Luck!
JoeH

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 12:19:34 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Olds O type carrier, 67-70

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Anyone have an Oldsmobile O type posi carrier with a 671 casting  number for 
sale or trade?  I have a 672 and a 673 that I would offer  up.  The 673 is for 
2.56 or 2.78 with 28 spline axles, and the 672 is for  3.42 and up with 31 
spline axles.  Or I will purchase outright for cash.  
Thanks,
Steve


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