
oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, July 28 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4967



Overhaulin' Wheels
Lansing 68 442 project $3000, needs 4-spd trans
Re: Overhaulin' Wheels
Re: Q-jet IDing websites...
Re: OverHaulin!
More on 68 442 Overhaulin'
Re: 65 engine ID, more number questions...
That ain't rust. THIS is rust!
Re: More on 68 442 Overhaulin'
Re: 1991 Cutlass Supreme Brake Problem - ck codes, wheel sensors
usible link - '73 Delta 88
Re: OverHaulin!
65 numbers matching - or not?
RE: Woodward
RE: That ain't rust. THIS is rust!
A/C Suction Throttling Valve
Re: TH350 upshift adjustment
Re: 68 442 on TV tonite? 9pm "Overhaul" PBS ?
Re: A/C Suction Throttling Valve
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:49:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Overhaulin' Wheels

Intro wheels has a website: www.introwheels.com

They show a bunch there, but to be honest, none of them remind me of the
Hurst wheels very much. There was also a reference on the Ultimate GTO
website to them, but no picture either.

That was the other thing about the show I didn't get - Foose referred a
couple of times to the paint lines looking like the '68 H/O, and it even
showed him getting a repro H/O badge, but I didn't see the connection.

I dunno... if they didn't spend so much time repeating themselves about
the set-up of the owner and doing all of the contrived stolen car stuff,
maybe they could show us more of what they did to the car. As it is, I
can't understand why they took all that time shaving the door handles and
locks, yet left in a hacked-up wiring harness to power the replacements.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:51:16 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Lansing 68 442 project $3000, needs 4-spd trans

Saw it the other day
I cannot afford it
It'd be a great body for my rusty W30 but I cannot kill a 442 to resurrect a 
W30

All dismantled
Frame off, has disk brakes
body metal fixed, needs "block sanding" to be ready for paint.
original # matching G block 400 engine with flywheel [not dismantled]
no Manual trans with it
maybe a console
gages dash rallye pack
C type diff, ratio unknown
I did not see any wheels

$3000 for the pkg
I can investigate for more details if you like, it's pretty close by.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:03:50 EDT
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Overhaulin' Wheels

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In a message dated 7/28/2004 8:54:46 AM Central Standard Time, 
ab348@chebucto.ns.ca writes:
As it is, I
can't understand why they took all that time shaving the door handles and
locks, yet left in a hacked-up wiring harness to power the replacements.
I think what started out as a cool and unique concept has evolved into the 
Chip Foose show. Not that the guy doesn't deserve it. He's probably the best at 
what he does. But if you look back at the original shows, they did show more 
of what was done to the car. But as time goes on, it's becoming more and more 
about Foose. It's starting to remind me of American Chopper, which is the 
ultimate hack job.

Jon Wessel

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:21:07 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Q-jet IDing websites...

At Tuesday, 27 July 2004, you wrote:

>Yep-- side-fueler!  Have no particular use for it myself--
>anyone else?  Needs a lot of cleanup, and probably 
>a good rebuilding... if anyone's interested in it, I'll get it
>and ship it.

Some Olds came with those side-fuelers; my '67 425 is one, with a 
7027156.

I am now wondering whether one of those PN digits actually refers 
to front or side-fueling rather than with which division's cars the 
carb was used. Perhaps a close perusal of the Rochester 9A manual 
will reveal that "secret"....

SteveH



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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:24:58 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: OverHaulin!

At Wednesday, 28 July 2004, you wrote:
>Instead, way too much time was spent on the social
>interaction of the participants and the con-game run 
>on the car's owner.

That's precisely why I don't even bother watching any of these "shows".
Even Bob Vila's shows are becoming this way, turning a previously 
inneresting and sometimes-informative "home-improvement" show into 
a painful waste of time.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:26:46 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: More on 68 442 Overhaulin'

Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2004 19:16:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: Matt Crumley <crumleym_50@yahoo.com>
Subject: overhaulin' 68

Hey we'll see if this is the first mentioning the show
after it aired.

A few things:
1. If I saw a video of two strangers doing burnouts and blowing upper 
radiator hoses (and driving the
car!!)  I'd be pissed.
==============
I don't mind folks having fun with my car
as long as they don't ruin it or fix it better than before if they do break 
it.
that's what I do with it.  Chris and Jim can attest to that, as can Bill H.
The cold water thing into the overheated engine was not a good idea. I sell 
heads to folks that do that. Have they never heard of TOW TRUCKS for 
disabled vehicles?



2.  Not a big fan of shaved door handles and what kind
of grandma steering wheel did they put on that thing.
It was a quick shot but it looked plain jane.
==============
I guess the door handles thing is one of them things the artist felt was 
necessary. I am no artist, I cannot say what's best along those lines. The 
steering wheel I saw looked just like a factory woody as in the '68 H/O and 
in my car.


3.  I really liked the stance.  I like the wheel/tire
combo.  I think Parts Place is selling those, (Intro
is the Co. that makes the wheels).
=============
For that project, and for a nearly-hurst or Hurst-esque car.... great wheels 
choice.


4.  You gotta hate electrical gremlins, but doesn't it
seem "made for TV" since it was so last minute and
they didn't fire the motor?
====================
No, that stuff really does happen. Just like that. Beats presenting it to 
him with the engine not running. I wonder if it burns coolant now due to 
their adding cold water [12 oz at a time] to the overheated engine?
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:29:23 EDT
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 65 engine ID, more number questions...

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Precisely Kurt....the only numbers that "match" on my 442 are the numbers on 
the left door pillar and the "Protecto-Plate". In 1965 there was no way you 
could ascertain a true 442 by the VIN (thus making it a snap to clone).
                                                        Ron Forsee
                                                        65-442 Origowner

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that "match" on my 442 are the numbers on the left door pillar and the "Prot=
ecto-Plate". In 1965 there was no way you could ascertain a true 442 by the=20=
VIN (thus making it a snap to clone).<BR>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:36:14 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: That ain't rust. THIS is rust!

From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 on TV tonite? 9pm "Overhaul" PBS ?

Wife's got to go to the website and fill out an application to get you
'Hauled.  My wife filled it out for me, but I ended up having to complete
most of it.  It's gonna be hard to act surprised if I ever get on (not
likely, since it looks like everything happens in California).
======================
Let's give them candy-asses THIS thing:

http://442.com/parts/wittpartscar.gif

"Oh, man this is BAD RUST" [looking at a quarter-sized problem area on the 
recent 68 442].

Sheesh.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:39:03 EDT
From: R4C442@aol.com
Subject: Re: More on 68 442 Overhaulin'

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I was impressed with their apparent definition of "engine diagnosis" as being 
four or five guys watching it turn over. Shouldn't someone have been doing 
something constructive like maybe checking for fuel and/or spark?
Not to mention nobody was drinking beer.....how the hell can you solve any 
problems that way !?
                                                        Ron Forsee
                                                        65-442 drinkin kind a 
guy!
                                                        
                        

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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =20=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  65-442 drinkin kind a guy!<BR>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:39:25 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: 1991 Cutlass Supreme Brake Problem - ck codes, wheel sensors

From: Alan Friedrich <jetfire63@yahoo.com>
Subject: 1991 Cutlass Supreme Brake Problem

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I need the expertise of you fellow lister. My step-daughter asked me to take 
a
look at her car because the Anti-lock brake pump? runs all the time unless 
she
pulls the fuse. I checked the brakes on all four corners and replaced the 
rear
pads and rotors which were badly worn. Now I need to know what might cause 
the
pump to run all the time.
I sure would rather be working on my '63's
Thanks.
Alan
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scan it for codes
chances are a wheel sensor is bad, or the wires leading to it are flexed to 
death. Codes might direct you to the exact wheel. Visual inspection at chafe 
points and flex points will probably readily detect the problem. Look at the 
connectors, too, for broken wires or weathering inside.

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:41:45 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: usible link - '73 Delta 88

Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 20:29:53 +0200
From: Alain LACHATRE <alain.lachatre@skynet.be>
Subject: Fusible link - '73 Delta 88

Hi there,

Had a short circuit in the car. Discovered these nice fusible links.
Burnt the one from the starter to the horn relay.
The matter is that, here in France, they are impossible to find.
Is it easy in the States or not?

Thanks for the help
Alain
=============
Repair kits sold at any auto parts store here.
I have oh about a couple hundred dozen used factory units if you prefer.
Post office delivers 'most anywhere, even to France.
Inquire within....
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 10:33:50 -0500
From: "JBS" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: OverHaulin!

agreed.... for some reason this episode was not as in depth as to what was
going on with the car on the details side of things,

I have a feeling it was not "officially" finished...


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 2:54 AM
Subject: Re: OverHaulin!


> > But they did seem more impressed with
> > the 442 than they have previous cars, and they (Chris and Courtney)
seemed
> to
> > have more respect for the car as a musclecar icon,
>
>
> Except Courtney was an idiot and kept saying "Four Forty-Two" instead of
the
> correct designation of "Four Four Two." *Everyone* else on the program
said
> it correctly, "Four Four Two."
>
>
> > even if they didn't respect
> > the car itself by driving it so hard it overheated.
>
>
> That was *no* respect for someone else's car.
>
> Also, I distinctly heard Chris talk about a new exhaust system, but we
never
> saw what they did. What did they do to the engine? All we saw was a
complete
> wash job and an electrical system that wouldn't work.
>
> I simply don't like 16" and bigger wheels. I want taller sidewalls for the
> street, and I just don't like the looks of those way too big in diameter
> wheels. 15" diameter wheels are what I like. Actually, the Centerlines the
> owner originally had on his car looked fine. I wouldn't have changed them.
>
> I was hoping to see more of what Baer was doing to the brakes and
Hotchkiss
> was doing to the suspension, but it was only mentioned, and we didn't see
> any real details. Instead, way too much time was spent on the social
> interaction of the participants and the con-game run on the car's owner.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 11:37:45 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: 65 numbers matching - or not?

What do you mean by the term "numbers matching"? The ID# on the heads does
not match the ID# on the block (just behind the water pump).
                                                        Ron Forsee
                                                        65-442 Origowner
===================
7/28/04

# -cast into- the block behind water pump is that part's CASTING NUMBER.
#'s -stamped into- the castings are used for exact piece tracking

Cast-in is NOT "stamped"... though you wouldn't know it by the way the terms 
are used everywhere.

"Numbers Matching" definition varies with the vehicle, the model year, and 
the person using the term. And the person hearing the term. For now, let's 
stick with the aforementioned def: That the car still has the engine and 
trans which it left the factory with. [Or, an exact duplicate would be 
almost as good... exact down to the same casting day and whatever #'s might 
have been STAMPED into any parts that got such a stamping.]

Now for a few specifics.

============= 1968 and up ===============
VIN derivative stamping- typically all but the 4 digits denoting the exact 
vehicle model- started in 1968, is found on vertical machined pad on the 
block, just under #1 spark plug area. This would match the vehicle VIN 
thusly:

344678M100100  VIN for a 1968 442 convertible.
38M100100  Would be stamped on the block, trans, frame, and possibly other 
places

Frame might have gotten the whole VIN, I am not sure on that. Cannot find 
pix of it.

Notice that the "4467" - which pegs the model as 442 and body as 
convertible, is not on the engine.

Engine Unit Number [EUN], which [except by coincidence] has never had any 
association with the VIN, is found stamped into the oil fill tube on 1968 
and up Oldsmobiles. E.g. 1968 might be 8100123. Initial 8 for 1968, then 6 
digits of sequential engine numbering. This number has no direct tie to the 
VIN... UNLESS you are lucky enough to have the car's original Protecto-Plate 
[POP], wherein the car's VIN and EUN are both shown. I have never been that 
lucky.  I would pay VERY much money for the original POP for my car. The EUN 
is useful mostly for warranty work and noting mid-year changes: e.g., "Carb 
#7028251 used on 1968 W30 engines prior to Engine #8111222, and carb 
#7028254 used thereafter" sort of thing.

============ pre-68 ==============
Now, the pre-68 cars are a bit less specific.
VIN on the door jamb typically
VIN will also be stamped onto the frame, we found 2 instances of it on the 
recent 66-442 restoration. EUN was stamped into fwd end of RH head. 
Typically of the form

Prefix Letter - 6 digit number - Suffix Letter [or lack thereof]

Our 1966 442 head is V 108137 T = V for 442 application 400 engine, T suffix 
for Tri-power

This would peg the engine's nature- compression, cam, level of performance, 
etc. Again, unless you have the POP, there's no proving what engine came in 
any given car. You can *guess* for instance, that one of the lowest VIN cars 
would not likely have one of the highest EUN's, but there's no PROOF w/o the 
POP.

No stamping of the VIN [or portions thereof] on the block or the trans 
before 1968. So, really, only the HEADS can _ever possibly_ be proven to be 
for a particular pre-68 car anyhow. Block has the same casting number that 
1000's of others share, and the same casting date that 100's of others 
share. Makes it easy to replace those parts with "correct" units, should 
that be necessary. Then again, any correct head casting can readily be 
stamped by anyone with a number stamp set, to make it "correct" for the 
application neded. Just like the factory did. Voila', Numbers Matching once 
again, even though your original heads are cracked/ lost/ stolen/ whatever. 
It'd be nice if your re-stamped heads' casting DATE was not -after- the 
car's build date. :-)

Otherwise, yeah, lose your heads off the pre-68 car, and it's no longer 
"numbers matching". OTOH, it's sure easy to "fix" that, as set forth above. 
Blessing and a curse, it is. Then we're back to, is that inherently 
"fraud"... or is it simply assembling a correct vehicle by using the correct 
parts and applying the correct stamped ID just like the factory did? I will 
leave that debate to the ethical theorists.

I took the liberty of adding a VIN derivative "36M226475" and such to 
various pcs of the restored 66-442, just in case identification of the 
remains should ever be necessary. Might be points off at showtime, oh well. 
My Tri-carb intake has my name ground into the underide, it's mine forever. 
My brother's latest TC intake, since he had one stolen that we do not know 
how to trace or prove was his, now has various small subtle secret markings 
on it, all photographed and noted. We can easily now prove that it is [or at 
least, was] his intake.
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 13:06:10 -0700 (PDT)
From: "Scott G." <boiler77_81@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: Woodward

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If you are a member of the OCA you may still be able to get a parking place with the Motor City Rockets (local Olds club). See the website at www.motorcityrockets.com
Having a place to park is a big deal. The cruise during Saturday is really a very slow crawl. Parking your car and walking Woodward is the best way to see the action.

Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com> wrote:
Saturday, August 21st (but cruisers will be out from Sunday the week before)

Check out the site:

http://www.woodwarddreamcruise.com/2004/

Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI


> -----Original Message-----
> From: SSpuehler@aol.com [mailto:SSpuehler@aol.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 2:09 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Woodward
> 
> 
> Does anyone know when the Woodward Dream Cruise is this year?
> 
> I'll be driving there in my 83 Hurst/Olds.
> 
> Hope to see you guys there.
> 

		
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<DIV>If you are a member of the OCA you may still be able to get a parking place with the Motor City Rockets (local Olds club). See the website at <A href="http://www.motorcityrockets.com">www.motorcityrockets.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>Having a place to park is a big deal. The cruise during Saturday is really a very slow crawl. Parking your car and walking Woodward is the best way to see the action.<BR><BR><B><I>Tom Bejma &lt;tomcb@prplastics.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Saturday, August 21st (but cruisers will be out from Sunday the week before)<BR><BR>Check out the site:<BR><BR>http://www.woodwarddreamcruise.com/2004/<BR><BR>Tom Bejma<BR>Harrison Twp., MI<BR><BR><BR>&gt; -----Original Message-----<BR>&gt; From: SSpuehler@aol.com [mailto:SSpuehler@aol.com]<BR>&gt; Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2004 2:09 AM<BR>&gt; To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca<BR>&gt; Subject: Woodward<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Does anyone know when the Woodward Dream Cruise is this year?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I'll be driving there in my 83 Hurst/Olds.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hope to see you guys there.<BR>&gt; <BR></BLOCKQUOTE><p>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:31:05 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: That ain't rust. THIS is rust!

>Let's give them candy-asses THIS thing:
>
>http://442.com/parts/wittpartscar.gif

I know we've been passing that photo around for a while now, but I was 
reminded of it last week during a really nice vacation up in Eagle River, 
WI, way up in the north woods.

If you're coming into town from the north down Rt. 45, near the bridge over 
the river there's a little row of houses on the west side of the street, 
separated from the main roadway by a parallel frontage road, and parked 
there, out in the open, you will probably see what appears to be an early 
1980s Ch*vy Caprice wagon. At least it used to be... I'm not sure how many 
functional windows it has, it seems to be dented on just about every panel, 
and appears to have been rolled at least once, or else maybe a tree fell on 
it. But it's somebody's daily driver, and I know at least three of its 
headlights work because that's how many were on when I noticed it following 
us around town one night. I'm still kicking myself for not snagging a photo 
of that beast; maybe somebody else can...  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 20:32:31 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: A/C Suction Throttling Valve

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OK, who knows about STVs?  My stellar mechanic has determined mine to be faulty because he hears a hissing noise in that area.  I am assuming it is either leaking freon or leaking vacuum.  The dope hasn't put dye into the system, so we don't know for sure.  But the system has been empty for who-knows-how-long and I do not doubt that there is a problem there somewhere.  Since all of the vacuum diaphragms on the under-hood ductwork were shot it is not hard for me to believe that the diaphragm on the SVT is shot, too.
I will be investigating this further on my own.  In doing a little research on the 'net I've discovered that update kits are available to convert the STV over to a clutch cycling switch.  Does anyone have an knowledge or experience with these update kits?
It is my understanding that the compressor on this car runs all the time and the STV cuts off the suction from the evaporator in order to allow the pressure in the evaporator to rise to keep the evaporator from freezing.  I also understand that the same effect can be accomplished by cycling the compressor, which is what this update kit does based on the temperature of the evaporator core.  It also seems like a good idea by adding to the longevity of the compressor and being more economical with the compressor not running constantly.
My problem is this - in my system the STV is also what regulates the air outlet temperature, being run off of variable vacuum that comes directly from the "cold" slide lever on the control panel.  What I'm wondering is, if I install this update kit and bypass the STV controls, how do I adjust the air temperature?  Some systems run the evaporator at full cold and them temper the air by introducing hot air from the nearby heater core.  It seems like this is what the kit is for.  My system does not have the ability to do that, being in two seperate housings.
Maybe this kit isn't for me.  If the valve has to be left in place (which it looks like it does) maybe it's just best to repair/replace the valve and use it as intended.
Paul
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<P>OK, who knows about STVs?&nbsp; My stellar mechanic has determined mine to be faulty because he hears a hissing noise in that area.&nbsp; I am assuming it is either leaking freon or leaking vacuum.&nbsp; The dope hasn't put dye into the system, so we don't know for sure.&nbsp; But the system has been empty for who-knows-how-long and I do not doubt that there is a problem there somewhere.&nbsp; Since all of the vacuum diaphragms on the under-hood ductwork were shot it is not hard for me to believe that the diaphragm on the SVT is shot, too.</P>
<P>I will be investigating this further on my own.&nbsp; In doing a little research on the 'net I've discovered that update kits are available to convert the STV over to a clutch cycling switch.&nbsp; Does anyone have an knowledge or experience with these update kits?</P>
<P>It is my understanding that the compressor on this car runs all the time and the STV cuts off the suction from the evaporator in order to allow the pressure in the evaporator to rise to keep the evaporator from freezing.&nbsp; I also understand that the same effect can be accomplished by cycling the compressor, which is what this update kit does based on the temperature of the evaporator core.&nbsp; It also seems like a good idea by adding to the longevity of the compressor and being more economical with the compressor not running constantly.</P>
<P>My problem is this - in my system the STV is also what regulates the air outlet&nbsp;temperature, being run off of variable vacuum that comes directly from the "cold" slide lever on the control panel.&nbsp; What I'm wondering is, if I install this update kit and bypass the STV controls, how do I adjust the air temperature?&nbsp; Some systems run the evaporator at full cold and them temper the air by introducing hot air from the nearby heater core.&nbsp; It seems like this is what the kit is for.&nbsp; My system does not have the ability to do that, being in two seperate housings.</P>
<P>Maybe this kit isn't for me.&nbsp; If the valve has to be left in place (which it looks like it does) maybe it's just best to repair/replace the valve and use it as intended.</P>
<P>Paul</P>
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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:33:55 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: TH350 upshift adjustment

"go to your local Chevy dealer and order the entire governor assembly for a '69 Z-28 Camaro with a TH350"

Milton, you wouldn't still happen to have that part#, would you?

- -- 
Michael Ecker
Lehigh Acres, Florida
ecker567@comcast.net

1978 Cutlass Supreme - $500 purchase, being slowly fixed up
   (in line for V6-to-403 swap soon, and maybe 200-4R and gears...)

1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - becoming a circle track car
   (bought without title, had Certificate of Destruction so can never
    be re-registered, but will uphold the Oldsmobile name with honor)

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 16:47:32 -0400
From: Scott Mugan <scott@digitalwavegraphics.com>
Subject: Re: 68 442 on TV tonite? 9pm "Overhaul" PBS ?

They are Vista Style Wheeels from Intro Custom Wheels.
- -Scott

"Life is not a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving 
safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in 
broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming 
- -- WOW--What a Ride!"
On Jul 28, 2004, at 8:12 AM, Tom Bejma wrote:

> Loved those Hurst reproduction rims they ended up putting on that '68.
> Anyone catch the manufacturer?

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:05:00 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: A/C Suction Throttling Valve

62oldsfan@comcast.net wrote:
> OK, who knows about STVs?  My stellar mechanic has determined mine to be 
> faulty because he hears a hissing noise in that area.  I am assuming it 
> is either leaking freon or leaking vacuum.  The dope hasn't put dye into 
> the system, so we don't know for sure.  But the system has been empty 
> for who-knows-how-long and I do not doubt that there is a problem there 
> somewhere.  Since all of the vacuum diaphragms on the under-hood 
> ductwork were shot it is not hard for me to believe that the diaphragm 
> on the SVT is shot, too.
> 
> I will be investigating this further on my own.  In doing a little 
> research on the 'net I've discovered that update kits are available to 
> convert the STV over to a clutch cycling switch.  Does anyone have an 
> knowledge or experience with these update kits?
> 
> It is my understanding that the compressor on this car runs all the time 
> and the STV cuts off the suction from the evaporator in order to allow 
> the pressure in the evaporator to rise to keep the evaporator from 
> freezing.  I also understand that the same effect can be accomplished by 
> cycling the compressor, which is what this update kit does based on the 
> temperature of the evaporator core.  It also seems like a good idea by 
> adding to the longevity of the compressor and being more economical with 
> the compressor not running constantly.
> 
> My problem is this - in my system the STV is also what regulates the air 
> outlet temperature, being run off of variable vacuum that comes directly 
> from the "cold" slide lever on the control panel.  What I'm wondering 
> is, if I install this update kit and bypass the STV controls, how do I 
> adjust the air temperature?  Some systems run the evaporator at full 
> cold and them temper the air by introducing hot air from the nearby 
> heater core.  It seems like this is what the kit is for.  My system does 
> not have the ability to do that, being in two seperate housings.
> 
> Maybe this kit isn't for me.  If the valve has to be left in place 
> (which it looks like it does) maybe it's just best to repair/replace the 
> valve and use it as intended.
> 
> Paul
> 
>  
> 
Paul
    The STV valve also called a POA valve works pretty much as you 
described. I am not a fan of cycling the clutch on an A-6 compressor. 
Some will disagree with me. That's OK. I found a place in Florida that 
can rebuild your POA. They did mine and it works great!! The cost is 
between $35.00 and $120.00 depending on how bad your valve is. The place 
is called Classic auto Air manufacturing phone 813-251-2356 No web site 
that I know of.
LOL
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 17:31:01 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

Kevin and Eric,
What carbs - distributors - advance do you run in your cars? I'm quite happy
with my 11mpg in the city but I could have more with pleasure...
TIA
Matt
81CS 468

> > I think I did it.  I believe I got 26.9 MPIG with a Carborated 455
> > Olds.
>
> Excellent!
>
> Funny thing is though, you'll be excited about this new knowledge and want
to share it with others, most of whom will be
> sceptical and will all but proclaimed you a BS'er.
>
> Here's some of my experienced gains that I have applied and the minimum
gain in gas mileage I've experienced:
>
> 1) Synthetic oil change...2 mpg
>
> 2) Distributor recurve...3 mpg
>
> 3) Carburetor rejettting (must be changed in spring and fall for optimum
efficiency without lean conditions in
> winter)....4 mpg
>
> 4) Ignition upgrade (plugs @ .060", wires, coil, module)...1 mpg
>
> 5) Light application of right foot to pedal....a huge difference
(estimated 5-10 mpg)
>
> I once upgraded a Cutlass wagon from a 150 HP 305 to a 350 HP 350. I
changed the rear gears from 2.45's to 3.23's (yes,
> revving higher - this is a Volumetric Efficiency thing) and improved the
mileage over the stock setup by 6 mpg city and
> 10 mpg highway to an average of 24 and 32 mpg without an overdrive
transmission. Quarter mile times improved from 19.5
> to 14.6. Few have ever believed this.
>
> Keep in mind, this is canuck gallons but it applies everywhere.
>
> Don't be disappointed if your claims are met with scepticism and
disbelief. Let them keep burning up their cash
> unnecessarily while you enjoy the extra cash in your wallet.
>
> Kevin
>
>
>
>

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