
oldsmobile-digest        Sunday, June 27 2004        Volume 01 : Number 4934



Re: new msd
Re: Carter fuel pump clarification
Tubing Connections
Red clear fuel hosing
Re: Carter fuel pump clarification
Re: Tubing Connections
Re: Red clear fuel hosing
Emissions legal engine size upgrades?
Re: Olds and Chevy
Re: new msd
Re: Carter fuel pump clarification
Re: Carter fuel pump clarification
eBay Ch*vy wizard gets spanking
Re: new msd
This just in- Chevy Boy gets Good Spanking! 
Re: new msd
RE: eBay Ch*vy wizard gets spanking
Re: I need an engine for my 1970 Olds 98
Can a hefty fire destroy block and heads?
Re: Carter fuel pump clarification
Re: Carter fuel pump clarification
Re: Can a hefty fire destroy block and heads?
Re: Can a hefty fire destroy block and heads?
Re: Can a hefty fire destroy block and heads?
Re: Can a hefty fire destroy block and heads?
Re: new msd
Re: Tubing Connections
RE: Red clear fuel hosing
Fuel requirement recap (GPH)
Dead blow hammer suppliers
Re: Red clear fuel hosing
Re: new msd

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:18:18 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: new msd

> You mean to tell me that thunder idles at 500 rpm!
> My compression is 10.6 with aluminum heads.


Noooo. She idles at 1000 in gear. However, the advance is already kicked in.
That's why I set 12 degrees on the crank at 1000 for an initial of only 8
degrees. 8 degrees initial plus 28 degrees out of the distributor gives 36
degrees total.

With 10.6 compression ratio, I wouldn't go over 36 degrees total. Use the 25
degree bushing and set 11 degrees on the crank. With your advance not
starting until 1400, it's easier to set initial. I had to set initial
originally by running the engine up to 4000, setting 36 degrees total on the
crank, then backing down to 1000 to see what the crank showed. That gave me
the setting for 1000.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:23:37 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Carter fuel pump clarification

Jay's right. If one wants to run metal fuel line, using Swagelok fittings is
the only way to go. They will be expensive, but they will not leak. I've
used them on hydraulic systems running at 4000 psi. I have a small supply
from 1/8" to 1/2" in both brass and stainless steel in the parts bin.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <WlJam5@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: Carter fuel pump clarification


> maybe this willhelp you out and with the quality 8u want..find a swagelock
> distributor. they make all sizes of stainlee steel fittings &compression
combos
> &changeovers. you can flare in a splice piece of tubing or mayube a
ferrule
> will be  a fit. i am from POLAROID"S R/D engineering group, swagelock is a
> polaroid spec inventoried part . and i have used the fittings on all types
of
> tubing ;metals& plasticsin/under psi of 100lbs and many acids,bases and
solvents
> from acetone to many volatiles and on all gases--they never fail and
standup
> forever, if they work u are in the time & labor.  Good-Luck    "JAY"
>

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 18:18:51 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Tubing Connections

The neatest tube adapter fitting is made by Aeroquip. It is called the
"Versil Flare", and allows steel tubing to be attached together without
flaring.

I also found a way to connect an aftermarket trans cooler to the GM hard
lines without using any rubber hose or clamps.....

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967 

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:03:08 -0700
From: "67Oldz" <67@oldsmobile.net>
Subject: Red clear fuel hosing

I am looking for some clear red fuel line that I had picked up a few years
back. Cannot find it anywhere I look now. Anyone know where to get this
stuff?

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:10:21 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Carter fuel pump clarification

Allen, why not just go with the Mallory or the Mr.Gasket pump from 
Summit?  Switching to electric will require a fuel pressure regulator to 
keep from over-pressuring the needle and seat in the carb, both the 
Mallory and Mr.Gasket mechanical pumps keep the pressure under 8 lbs.  I 
have used the Holley pumps before without a problem, and the Mallory 
pump I have in the garage looks to be a quality piece, and either one is 
rated at 3 times the flow of the Carter stock replacement (assuming that 
NAPA's 23 gph rating is correct).  Sure would be a BUNCH easier to plumb 
with your stainless lines.....

HTH,

Michael Ecker
Lehigh Acres, Florida
ecker567@comcast.net

1978 Cutlass Supreme - $500 purchase, being slowly fixed up
   (in line for V6-to-403 swap soon, and maybe 200-4R and gears...)

1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - becoming a circle track car
   (bought without title, had Certificate of Destruction so can never
    be re-registered, but will uphold the Oldsmobile name with honor)

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:22:24 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Tubing Connections

> The neatest tube adapter fitting is made by Aeroquip. It is called the
> "Versil Flare", and allows steel tubing to be attached together without
> flaring.


Swagelok does the same thing. No flares.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 16:30:52 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Red clear fuel hosing

Uhhhh, what are you going to use it for? The clear red (or clear, or blue,
or green) tubing some people use for fuel line is a death trap. Don't use it
for fuel, period. I value your life and your car.

Other than that, many hardware stores now carry it.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "67Oldz" <67@oldsmobile.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 4:03 PM
Subject: Red clear fuel hosing


> I am looking for some clear red fuel line that I had picked up a few years
> back. Cannot find it anywhere I look now. Anyone know where to get this
> stuff?
>
>

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 19:47:24 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: Emissions legal engine size upgrades?

Check this out......

http://www.gmpartsdirect.com/performance_parts/store/catalog/Product.jhtmlPRODID=1119&CATID=1099.html

Gives hope that those in emissions restricted areas may one day be able 
to upgrade their A/G bodies legally (if the right people ever get 
together and produce a kit....)

Well, it's ok to dream.....

Michael Ecker
Lehigh Acres, Florida
ecker567@comcast.net

1978 Cutlass Supreme - $500 purchase, being slowly fixed up
   (in line for V6-to-403 swap soon, and maybe 200-4R and gears...)

1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - becoming a circle track car
   (bought without title, had Certificate of Destruction so can never
    be re-registered, but will uphold the Oldsmobile name with honor)

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 20:20:02 -0500
From: "JBS" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Olds and Chevy

and from my experience... the Olds 455 was the motor of choice in many a jet
boats of the 70's...... at least my pops wouldn't buy/build one with
anything other than an olds...


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: "Oldsmobile" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 1:15 PM
Subject: Fw: Olds and Chevy


>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> To: <parts@partsnjunk2.com>
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:13 AM
> Subject: Olds and Chevy
>
>
> > Ted @ PartsNjunk2,
> >
> >
> > > Hello Chris,
> > >                  The listing was changed immeadiately upon reciept of
> your
> > > information. Thank you. However, you are no rocket scientist, the
> 396-427
> > > and the later 454 outperformed the land yacht you tout. I think
> > > the 302 cars
> > > may have also run better times in 68. Unfortunately, all BPO's had
weak
> > > bottom ends, and could hold no place in competition at the strip.
> >
> >
> > I find your attitudes quite interesting. There were many fine top
> > professional drag racers who ran an Olds engine and won, in the late
'60s
> > and early '70s time frame. However, there is another form of racing that
> is
> > much more technically challenging, Can-Am road racing. I guess the
CRO-SAL
> > all aluminum Olds 455 engine used in Can-Am racing in the late '60s and
> > early '70s doesn't count, even though that is of the time period in
> > question. The CRO-SAL Olds 455 defeated the Chevy 498 and 518 engines
> (bored
> > and stroked Chevy big blocks) in the straight-a-ways every time. I saw
it.
> > The CRO-SAL Olds 455 would live at 7500 RPM all the time while the Chevy
> 498
> > and 518 engines would die at 6800 and 6500, respectively.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Milton J. Schick
> > President/CEO
> > Infinite Space Systems, Inc.
> > A Department of Defense and NASA aerospace contractor
> > "Where The Stars Are No Limit"
> > 4835 N. Valley Park
> > Tucson, AZ 85705
> > 520-888-1731
> > imp@theriver.com
> > http://www.infinitespacesystems.com/
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 21:55:53 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: new msd

I get it now, I had a brain fart for a second there.

I ended up using one light silver spring(lightest) and one light blue spring
(second lightest) it is supposed to be all in by 3200 that way and start
around 1000 I think. I have the 21 degree bushing in there now I figured I
would run 15 initial. What would be the pro/ con of this over the 21 degree
Bushing. I'd like to at least get the bushing right since in the trans am it
will be near impossible to change with the distributor in the car.
I may have just fried my msd box though. When I was drilling the holes for
it the leads touched the battery terminals and sparks flew. I guess I'l know
tomarrow but I think I will be buying a new box, I can not even believe I
did that. Guess i should have mounted it on the other fenderwell.
Allen Schwartz
A&L Enterprises
mycj@tds.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: new msd


> > You mean to tell me that thunder idles at 500 rpm!
> > My compression is 10.6 with aluminum heads.
>
>
> Noooo. She idles at 1000 in gear. However, the advance is already kicked
in.
> That's why I set 12 degrees on the crank at 1000 for an initial of only 8
> degrees. 8 degrees initial plus 28 degrees out of the distributor gives 36
> degrees total.
>
> With 10.6 compression ratio, I wouldn't go over 36 degrees total. Use the
25
> degree bushing and set 11 degrees on the crank. With your advance not
> starting until 1400, it's easier to set initial. I had to set initial
> originally by running the engine up to 4000, setting 36 degrees total on
the
> crank, then backing down to 1000 to see what the crank showed. That gave
me
> the setting for 1000.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:00:10 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Carter fuel pump clarification

DO I need to flare the line for those fittings or are they the tube sleeve
type compression fittings? I have 3/8in line if you could tell me where I
could get my hands on some I would appreciate it. I would need enough to
make 4 pieces of hose to connect between the 3/8 in line since the line for
the car comes in a few pieces and not one long line.

Allen Schwartz
A&L Enterprises
mycj@tds.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: Carter fuel pump clarification


> Jay's right. If one wants to run metal fuel line, using Swagelok fittings
is
> the only way to go. They will be expensive, but they will not leak. I've
> used them on hydraulic systems running at 4000 psi. I have a small supply
> from 1/8" to 1/2" in both brass and stainless steel in the parts bin.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <WlJam5@aol.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 2:41 PM
> Subject: Re: Carter fuel pump clarification
>
>
> > maybe this willhelp you out and with the quality 8u want..find a
swagelock
> > distributor. they make all sizes of stainlee steel fittings &compression
> combos
> > &changeovers. you can flare in a splice piece of tubing or mayube a
> ferrule
> > will be  a fit. i am from POLAROID"S R/D engineering group, swagelock is
a
> > polaroid spec inventoried part . and i have used the fittings on all
types
> of
> > tubing ;metals& plasticsin/under psi of 100lbs and many acids,bases and
> solvents
> > from acetone to many volatiles and on all gases--they never fail and
> standup
> > forever, if they work u are in the time & labor.  Good-Luck    "JAY"
> >
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:06:17 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Carter fuel pump clarification

I had the mr gasket pump on there and it was having problems running dry so
I bought the cartwer which I thought was 120gph instead of 80 like the mr
gasket and it seemed to fix my problem at first then came to find out it
just wasn't hapening all the time and the problem reappeared later. I had
already traded my mr gasket pump for a 160 mph speedo for my trans am in the
meantime. Today I took my fuel filter out (it was supposedly a high flow
filter) and I drove it all evening and the problem never reapeared. I will
have to drive it more to be sure but I think that fuel filter was my
restriction. I have a good one here from "Russel" I think it is. They are
the people who make all those an fitting, anyways it has an fitting on it so
I need to get some fittings to plumb it in.
This carter pump now appears to be working for me, It is not cutting out but
it may still be getting lean and running low at higher rpms and I just can't
feel it anymore.
Do you mant to sell one of those pumps you have?
Allen Schwartz
A&L Enterprises
mycj@tds.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Ecker" <ecker567@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: Carter fuel pump clarification


> Allen, why not just go with the Mallory or the Mr.Gasket pump from
> Summit?  Switching to electric will require a fuel pressure regulator to
> keep from over-pressuring the needle and seat in the carb, both the
> Mallory and Mr.Gasket mechanical pumps keep the pressure under 8 lbs.  I
> have used the Holley pumps before without a problem, and the Mallory
> pump I have in the garage looks to be a quality piece, and either one is
> rated at 3 times the flow of the Carter stock replacement (assuming that
> NAPA's 23 gph rating is correct).  Sure would be a BUNCH easier to plumb
> with your stainless lines.....
>
> HTH,
>
> Michael Ecker
> Lehigh Acres, Florida
> ecker567@comcast.net
>
> 1978 Cutlass Supreme - $500 purchase, being slowly fixed up
>    (in line for V6-to-403 swap soon, and maybe 200-4R and gears...)
>
> 1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - becoming a circle track car
>    (bought without title, had Certificate of Destruction so can never
>     be re-registered, but will uphold the Oldsmobile name with honor)
>
>

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:25:04 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: eBay Ch*vy wizard gets spanking

Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:06:26 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE 
RED
/BLK

It obviously would do no good to debate this issue with you because you are
so narrowminded.  This is not about the cars, it is about the people
involved.  You have no respect for those who don't share your opinions, and
with an attitude like that, I'm glad you're not into Oldsmobiles.  I don't
care if you have 1,000 cars in inventory.  Money can't buy class.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
=============================

PLEASE tell me you cc'd that to the "partsnJUNK [Chevy Parts]" Wizard.
- ----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:32:09 EDT
From: KS7RACING@aol.com
Subject: Re: new msd

In a message dated 6/26/04 9:59:27 PM Central Daylight Time, mycj@tds.net 
writes:
- -- I may have just fried my msd box though. When I was drilling the holes for 
it the leads touched the battery terminals and sparks flew. I guess I'l know 
tomarrow but I think I will be buying a new box, I can not even believe I did 
that. --

Allen,

Not that this will help you out tomorrow, but MSD is excellent on repairing 
their boxes.  It's definitely cheaper than a new box, but you'd have to wait 
for it to be shipped there, fixed and returned.

I've installed many a MSD on local "roundy-round" cars, and once had to have 
a car owner send one back after the car had an accident that burned up a lot 
of the wiring.  They reworked it with new wires and tested it for a very 
reasonable fee.

Take Care,
SrA Ken Snyder
Kansas City, Kansas

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:54:41 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: This just in- Chevy Boy gets Good Spanking! 

- - ----- Original Message -----
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <parts@partsnjunk2.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:13 AM
Subject: Olds and Chevy
========================
It obviously would do no good to debate this issue with you because you are
so narrowminded.  This is not about the cars, it is about the people
involved.  You have no respect for those who don't share your opinions, and
with an attitude like that, I'm glad you're not into Oldsmobiles.  I don't
care if you have 1,000 cars in inventory.  Money can't buy class.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Well, looks like Milton and others spanked you pettty well. In public... 
Source of great amusement on the Olds email  list.
I knew the guys on the list would come thru.
Gee, lookee here, all your ebay ads got cancelled? Awwwww......
Huh, go figure, play like an ass.... and get treated accordingly!

I TRY real hard not hate Chevy people, but when EVERY PROBLEM from ebay 
stems from a... CHEVY PART and a CHEVY PERSON... and every LOUD car that 
thinks it's fast [but gets a spanking from my quiet 442] is a CHEVY... and 
then jokers like you come along spewing LIES in their ads followed by 
anti-social bullshirt when called on the carpet... it's hard not to disdain 
the Chevy Chitty crew.


>Ted @ PartsNjunk2,
> > Hello Chris,
> >                  The listing was changed immeadiately upon reciept of
your
> > information. Thank you. However, you are no rocket scientist,
=================
Correct.
I am... THE Rocket Scientist.



the 396-427 and the later 454 outperformed the land yacht you tout.
================
Oh, yeah, right, those wimpy things out-torqued the 1968 H/O 455 engine? 
Right.
The fumes, again, I see. Confused your thinking.
PS the H/O is Cutlass based, no more a "land Yacht" than the comparable 
Chevelle. Pretty much IDENTICAL in fact, except for the exact shape of the 
sheetmetal, and the powerplants. The Olds, of course, being a higher priced 
car, got a better built power plant, and better interior appointments. "Hey, 
let's improve our ROD BOLTS with ARP deluxe fancy bolts with 12-point 
nuts..."  Oh, ooops, Olds already uses that type fastener! Whereas... 
Chevy... needs improvement.


I think the 302 cars may have also run better times in 68. Unfortunately, 
all BPO's had weak
> > bottom ends, and could hold no place in competition at the strip.
===============
Well, I know a lot of LSD was being consumed back then. I guess that would 
explain your experiences. Last magazine article I read told all about how 
the junkyards showed what motors were milquetoasts- they had rods thru the 
pans- and Olds was never among them. That has been my experience as well.


More by Milton:
>I find your attitudes quite interesting. There were many fine top
>professional drag racers who ran an Olds engine and won, in the late '60s
>and early '70s time frame. However, there is another form of racing that is
>much more technically challenging, Can-Am road racing. I guess the CRO-SAL
>all aluminum Olds 455 engine used in Can-Am racing in the late '60s and
>early '70s doesn't count, even though that is of the time period in
>question. The CRO-SAL Olds 455 defeated the Chevy 498 and 518 engines 
>(bored
>and stroked Chevy big blocks) in the straight-a-ways every time. I saw it.
>The CRO-SAL Olds 455 would live at 7500 RPM all the time while the Chevy 
>498
>and 518 engines would die at 6800 and 6500, respectively.
>
>Sincerely,
>
>Milton J. Schick
=====================
Touche'
Once again, we see that the FACTS conflict with Chevy Boy's version of 
REALITY.
Glad to see that the ebay ads got cancelled.
Maybe that'll put an end to at least this one joker's lies and such.
- ----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:28:20 -0400
From: "Randy Geisel" <rocket455@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: new msd

> I may have just fried my msd box though.

I fried a month old MSD 6A unit once. It was my fault. I was messing with
the coil bracket while the car was running...it arced and toasted my box.
Timing would retard as rpm's went up.....hmmm.

Anyway, I sent the box in for repair and wrote a note as to what I did and
the resulting problem. Two weeks later a brand new box arrived at my
doorstep...free of charge.

Might work the same way for you.

Randy

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:31:08 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: eBay Ch*vy wizard gets spanking

Of course.  It was addressed to him and blind-copied to the list.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Christopher Witt
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:25 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Cc: wmachine@shubes.net
> Subject: eBay Ch*vy wizard gets spanking
>
>
> Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:06:26 -0400
> From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
> Subject: RE: Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM
> TAG GM NICE
> RED
> /BLK
>
> It obviously would do no good to debate this issue with you
> because you are
> so narrowminded.  This is not about the cars, it is about the people
> involved.  You have no respect for those who don't share your
> opinions, and
> with an attitude like that, I'm glad you're not into Oldsmobiles.  I don't
> care if you have 1,000 cars in inventory.  Money can't buy class.
>
> Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
> =============================
>
> PLEASE tell me you cc'd that to the "partsnJUNK [Chevy Parts]" Wizard.
> ----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Make the most of your family vacation with tips from the MSN
> Family Travel
> Guide! http://dollar.msn.com
>
>

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:41:54 -0400
From: "Randy Geisel" <rocket455@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: I need an engine for my 1970 Olds 98

What size engine are you looking for?

Randy

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:28:50 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Can a hefty fire destroy block and heads?

I have a chance to pick up a 455 out of a boat that burned very badly. Do 
you think it will make a good core for a rebuild, or is a fuel fire too hot 
and can mess up block and heads? I can't imagine it gets hot enough, but am 
unsure if I shall waste my time.

TIA, George
71 442 and C/S

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 22:51:05 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Carter fuel pump clarification

> Allen, why not just go with the Mallory or the Mr.Gasket pump from
> Summit?  Switching to electric will require a fuel pressure regulator to
> keep from over-pressuring the needle and seat in the carb,


Not true. Both the Carter 72 GPH and the 100 GPH electric fuel pumps are
internally regulated to 7 PSI, the ideal pressure at the needle and seat. My
fuel pressure gauge confirms it.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:05:08 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Carter fuel pump clarification

I would try a local industrial supply house. Second choice would be a
laboratory supply house.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: Carter fuel pump clarification


> DO I need to flare the line for those fittings or are they the tube sleeve
> type compression fittings? I have 3/8in line if you could tell me where I
> could get my hands on some I would appreciate it. I would need enough to
> make 4 pieces of hose to connect between the 3/8 in line since the line
for
> the car comes in a few pieces and not one long line.
>
> Allen Schwartz
> A&L Enterprises
> mycj@tds.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 5:23 PM
> Subject: Re: Carter fuel pump clarification
>
>
> > Jay's right. If one wants to run metal fuel line, using Swagelok
fittings
> is
> > the only way to go. They will be expensive, but they will not leak. I've
> > used them on hydraulic systems running at 4000 psi. I have a small
supply
> > from 1/8" to 1/2" in both brass and stainless steel in the parts bin.
> >
> > Milton Schick
> > 1964 442 Cutlass
> > imp@theriver.com
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <WlJam5@aol.com>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 2:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: Carter fuel pump clarification
> >
> >
> > > maybe this willhelp you out and with the quality 8u want..find a
> swagelock
> > > distributor. they make all sizes of stainlee steel fittings
&compression
> > combos
> > > &changeovers. you can flare in a splice piece of tubing or mayube a
> > ferrule
> > > will be  a fit. i am from POLAROID"S R/D engineering group, swagelock
is
> a
> > > polaroid spec inventoried part . and i have used the fittings on all
> types
> > of
> > > tubing ;metals& plasticsin/under psi of 100lbs and many acids,bases
and
> > solvents
> > > from acetone to many volatiles and on all gases--they never fail and
> > standup
> > > forever, if they work u are in the time & labor.  Good-Luck    "JAY"
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:14:48 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Can a hefty fire destroy block and heads?

George,

If the fire just burned off the wiring and hoses, you would be okay. The 425
engine core I have was in a fire and was undamaged. However, a 330 in the
same yard was in a fire so intense the oil in the crankcase burned. That
heat destroyed the hardness of the crank and rods, turning them blue.
However, the cast iron shouldn't care. Check the inside of the 455 to see if
the engine oil burned. If it didn't, you should be okay. Also, that engine
could have a forged steel crank.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:28 PM
Subject: Can a hefty fire destroy block and heads?


> I have a chance to pick up a 455 out of a boat that burned very badly. Do
> you think it will make a good core for a rebuild, or is a fuel fire too
hot
> and can mess up block and heads? I can't imagine it gets hot enough, but
am
> unsure if I shall waste my time.
>
> TIA, George
> 71 442 and C/S
>
>

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 23:34:15 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Can a hefty fire destroy block and heads?

Guy says the carb 'melted' in the fire. I guess it was hot. But a forged 
crank possibility may be enough for me to pick the sucker up. I can always 
toss it.

George

At 11:14 PM 6/26/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>George,
>
>If the fire just burned off the wiring and hoses, you would be okay. The 425
>engine core I have was in a fire and was undamaged. However, a 330 in the
>same yard was in a fire so intense the oil in the crankcase burned. That
>heat destroyed the hardness of the crank and rods, turning them blue.
>However, the cast iron shouldn't care. Check the inside of the 455 to see if
>the engine oil burned. If it didn't, you should be okay. Also, that engine
>could have a forged steel crank.
>
>Milton Schick
>1964 442 Cutlass
>imp@theriver.com
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: <geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net>
>To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:28 PM
>Subject: Can a hefty fire destroy block and heads?
>
>
> > I have a chance to pick up a 455 out of a boat that burned very badly. Do
> > you think it will make a good core for a rebuild, or is a fuel fire too
>hot
> > and can mess up block and heads? I can't imagine it gets hot enough, but
>am
> > unsure if I shall waste my time.
> >
> > TIA, George
> > 71 442 and C/S
> >
> >

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 00:46:29 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Can a hefty fire destroy block and heads?

> Guy says the carb 'melted' in the fire. I guess it was hot. But a forged
> crank possibility may be enough for me to pick the sucker up. I can always
> toss it.


It sounds like it won't cost you any money??? If so, go for it.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:01:58 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Can a hefty fire destroy block and heads?

Well, my engine crane is lent out, this engine is 50 miles away and I have 
no time whatsoever. That's why it has to be worth it to go on the trip. 
I'll play it by ear!

Cheers, George

At 12:46 AM 6/27/2004 -0700, you wrote:
> > Guy says the carb 'melted' in the fire. I guess it was hot. But a forged
> > crank possibility may be enough for me to pick the sucker up. I can always
> > toss it.
>
>
>It sounds like it won't cost you any money??? If so, go for it.
>
>Milton Schick
>1964 442 Cutlass
>imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 08:49:00 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: new msd

my box was not new. It was a 6tn off a race car. they replace them all the
time so it's a good cheap source for them at decent prices.I paid $125 for
the box, soft touch rev copntrol and a coil so I didn't loose much. It would
probably cost as much to have it rebuilt
Allen Schwartz
A&L Enterprises
mycj@tds.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Randy Geisel" <rocket455@worldnet.att.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: new msd


> > I may have just fried my msd box though.
>
> I fried a month old MSD 6A unit once. It was my fault. I was messing with
> the coil bracket while the car was running...it arced and toasted my box.
> Timing would retard as rpm's went up.....hmmm.
>
> Anyway, I sent the box in for repair and wrote a note as to what I did and
> the resulting problem. Two weeks later a brand new box arrived at my
> doorstep...free of charge.
>
> Might work the same way for you.
>
> Randy
>
>
>

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:13:36 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Tubing Connections

at 13 bucks each for one furrel and anothe 13 bucks for the nut this is
going to get expensive fast
Allen Schwartz
A&L Enterprises
mycj@tds.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
To: "Oldsmobile-Digest" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 5:18 PM
Subject: Tubing Connections


> The neatest tube adapter fitting is made by Aeroquip. It is called the
> "Versil Flare", and allows steel tubing to be attached together without
> flaring.
>
> I also found a way to connect an aftermarket trans cooler to the GM hard
> lines without using any rubber hose or clamps.....
>
> Paul Tumolo
> 1970 442 Hardtop
> OCA # 31967
>
>

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 09:54:33 -0700
From: "67Oldz" <67@oldsmobile.net>
Subject: RE: Red clear fuel hosing

I believe the brand was mooneyes that made it. It is just as thick as the
black fuel line is is made for fuel. Still a death trap? If so..how? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca 
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of 
> Infinite Space Systems, Inc.
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 4:31 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Red clear fuel hosing
> 
> Uhhhh, what are you going to use it for? The clear red (or 
> clear, or blue, or green) tubing some people use for fuel 
> line is a death trap. Don't use it for fuel, period. I value 
> your life and your car.
> 
> Other than that, many hardware stores now carry it.
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "67Oldz" <67@oldsmobile.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 4:03 PM
> Subject: Red clear fuel hosing
> 
> 
> > I am looking for some clear red fuel line that I had picked 
> up a few 
> > years back. Cannot find it anywhere I look now. Anyone know 
> where to 
> > get this stuff?
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:21:16 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Fuel requirement recap (GPH)

All,
	I have been coming out of lurk mode, as I recently got hooked up
with a new job doing what I love; Sheet metal Design W/Solidworks last
Thursday.
	Anyway, can someone describe how to determine the fuel requirements
(GPH) for a particular engine?

Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme 
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 12:25:25 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Dead blow hammer suppliers

All,
	Does anyone know if Sears carries dead blow hammers?  I don't feel
like spending $100+ from Snap-On for one.

Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme 
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 15:01:03 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Red clear fuel hosing

> I believe the brand was mooneyes that made it. It is just as thick as the
> black fuel line is is made for fuel. Still a death trap? If so..how?


What you're remembering is the MOON Equipment Company that used a pair of
"mooneyes" for a company logo. The clear or clear colored tubing is made of
vinyl. Yes, vinyl will withstand gasoline for a short while, but will
eventually react with the gasoline and turn hard. At that point, in can leak
around the fitting, for the pliable seal has a tendency to go away. More
importantly, vinyl really doesn't like the level of heat in an engine
compartment. There has been many more than a few engine fires over the years
because someone used vinyl fuel line, and it leaked. It's not worth the
risk. Use a good quality double wall, fiber reinforced, rubber fuel line. It
will be rated to about 250 psi working pressure, withstand up to 600 degrees
of heat, and stay pliable and not leak. I know rubber fuel hose is available
in either solid black or blue, and it may also be available in red. Stay
clear of the clear stuff.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:01:57 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: new msd

I got it runnign today, it styill works!

   I used the 21 degree bushing in the distributor and I set the initial
timing everywhere from 12 to 24. I never did hear any pinging but the car is
pretty loud and I'm afraid I'm not hearing it. at 24 degrees initial it cam
out to 47 or 48 (it would seem the bushings are not exact or it was my
timing light since it was a dialback unit and I know how everyone loves
those) anyways even at 48 degrees i could not detect any detonation. there
is a ppoping kinda sound but I think it is coming out of the carb since it
is currently sticking up through the shaker hole so I'm getting alot of
noise from it.
I ended up using the lightest springs which start bringing it in by 1000 and
it's all in by 3200 or so, I didn't have an extra person to look at the tach
while I had the light on it.

  The car does not like to idle with the timing under 16 initial. I
currently have it backed off to 18 just in case I was not hearing some
detonation. However even at 18 it is blow black crap out the tailpipes like
it's retarded.If I edge it up more that stops. The car seems to really like
it set at 21 initial but I'm afraid that the 44 total it comes out as is too
much. I'm considering puting the 18 degree bushing in there and bumping
initial up to 24, it idles nicely there.

  Could this thing really be pushing 50 degrees advanced without detonation?


Allen Schwartz
A&L Enterprises
mycj@tds.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: new msd


> > You mean to tell me that thunder idles at 500 rpm!
> > My compression is 10.6 with aluminum heads.
>
>
> Noooo. She idles at 1000 in gear. However, the advance is already kicked
in.
> That's why I set 12 degrees on the crank at 1000 for an initial of only 8
> degrees. 8 degrees initial plus 28 degrees out of the distributor gives 36
> degrees total.
>
> With 10.6 compression ratio, I wouldn't go over 36 degrees total. Use the
25
> degree bushing and set 11 degrees on the crank. With your advance not
> starting until 1400, it's easier to set initial. I had to set initial
> originally by running the engine up to 4000, setting 36 degrees total on
the
> crank, then backing down to 1000 to see what the crank showed. That gave
me
> the setting for 1000.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
>

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