
oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, June 24 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4929



Re: High efficiency radiator core
Rear End Specialists  =8-)
RE: Rear End Specialists  =8-)
Re: NJ to Chicago Parts Transportation / '72 Vista Cruiser for sale
Re: Dash Speaker(s)
68 442 exhaust
RE: 68 442 exhaust
Re: GMB performance aluminum water pump on sale....
Re: GMB performance aluminum water pump on sale....
Re: 68 442 exhaust
Re: NJ to Chicago Parts Transportation / '72 Vista Cruiser for sale
Re: Rear End Specialists  =8-)
Re: OPG Dealings?
Re: Rear End Specialists  =8-)
Re: Dash Speaker(s)
Re: 68 442 exhaust
RE: Rear End Specialists  =8-)
Re: OPG Dealings?
Re: 68 442 exhaust
RE: OPG Dealings?
RE: Dash Speaker(s)
RE: 68 442 exhaust
Re: Dyno Results, Part Two
RE: Dash Speaker(s)
Re: 68 442 exhaust
Fathers day 455
RE: 68 442 exhaust
Re: 68 442 exhaust
Re: 68 442 exhaust

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 13:03:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: High efficiency radiator core

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post the part number for those who may be interested. It's CL1407B from 
Craig 
Manufacturing in California. The shop I used charged $245 for parts and 
labor, 
plus there's a 3 year warranty. 

<snip>
Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ
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Thanks Kenneth.  I'll look into it.
 
Chris Smetana
grp442@yahoo.com
 
 

		
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<DIV>post the part number for those who may be interested. It's CL1407B from <BR>Craig <BR>Manufacturing in California. The shop I used charged $245 for parts and <BR>labor, <BR>plus there's a 3 year warranty. <BR><BR>&lt;snip&gt;<BR>Kenneth<BR>1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible<BR>Phoenix, AZ<BR>-----------------------------</DIV>
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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:20:08 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Rear End Specialists  =8-)

All,
	I was wondering if anyone one who has experience with ring, pinions,
and carriers to take a look at the page where I have some close up shots of
the internals.
	I think the Spider gears look fine, but was curious about the dark
marks at the end of the pinion gear itself.  That as well as the "cross
shaft??" that goes thru the 2 spiders so you can pull the C-Clips out.

The link is:
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/help_pix.html

Any thoughts are appreciated!

Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme 
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:45:50 -0500
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: RE: Rear End Specialists  =8-)

I think that's just a change in reflectiveness due to the wear pattern of
the gears.  You'll also notice on the opposite end of the tooth the shading
is a bit different as well.  If the color changes are indicative of the wear
pattern it looks pretty good.  The ring gear also looks like it has a fairly
well centered wear pattern on it.

Are you considering purchasing this rear?

Eric


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Steve Reed
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 3:20 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Rear End Specialists =8-)


All,
	I was wondering if anyone one who has experience with ring, pinions,
and carriers to take a look at the page where I have some close up shots of
the internals.
	I think the Spider gears look fine, but was curious about the dark
marks at the end of the pinion gear itself.  That as well as the "cross
shaft??" that goes thru the 2 spiders so you can pull the C-Clips out.

The link is:
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/help_pix.html

Any thoughts are appreciated!

Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 15:36:48 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Re: NJ to Chicago Parts Transportation / '72 Vista Cruiser for sale

Dave and List,

I paid $1525.00 for it, and on top of that $700.00 shipping and several hundred
for extra parts.
I am entertaining offers.
Please email me privately

thanks,  Steve K.


How much for the vista cruiser?

>
>
>
>
> Hello List,
>
> 1)  I puchased an engine and transmission from Gene in th Atlantic
City, NJ
> area.  I need to get transport this stuff to the Chicago area.  The
engine is on
> a rolling dolly.  Anybody with room to spare making this trip anytime
in the
> near future?
>
> 2)  For Sale:  1972 Vista Cruiser,  Complete.
>
> 455 4bbl, with Holley carb I have a correct carb to be installed
> Dual Exhaust, Original exhaust manifolds,
> Disc Brakes
> P/B, P/S, P/W, PDL
> Body/ Interior Fair, only major rust in spare wheel well area, have
original
> replacement of this section,
> Some rust through around the roof glass.
> Runs, Drives -  Haven't started it this year, though.
> Located in Chicago area.
>
> Any leads for either would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks,  Steve K.
>
> I apologize in advance for the spamesque content.
>
>
>

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 16:12:08 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Dash Speaker(s)

Currently, I have a pair of 3.5" speakers in the dash, mounted on a 
piece of 1/4" MDF cut to the same shape as the original speaker, with 
metal brackets attached to mimic the original speaker mounting points. 
Not much in the way of stereo imaging, but it makes noise. 6x9s in the 
back, but they're disconnected as they're shot. Pair of 12s on a baffle 
board behind the rear seat. Actually sounds decent with just the 12s 
and 3.5s...
New 6x9s when I find a Round Tuit in a wad of $10 bills. Also planning 
on kick panel pods for 6.5" coaxials. May just buy the Custom Autosound 
ones on eVil.

krw
On Jun 22, 2004, at 8:05 PM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 19:39:43 -0500
> From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
> Subject: Dash Speaker(s)
>
> All,
> 	What have some of you done for having tunes in your rides?  Right
> now my original doors are butchered for 6.5" speakers, but I don't 
> know if I
> want to hack up the new doors I get.
> 	I'm not looking for anything outrageous by any means, just something
> to listen to occasionally besides the rumbling of the 455.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Reed
> '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
> '68 Cutlass Supreme
> Austin, TX
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com
>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:24:54 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: 68 442 exhaust

Good afternoon folks,

The exhaust on my 68 442 is fairly worn, and I need to replace it.  Any
suggestions on where to shop for the best deal?  I have seen the Tamraz
setup for $359 not including tips, is there a better product?

Thanks!
Rob

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:56:59 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 exhaust

"Better" is sort of subjective (and so is "best deal"). The Flowmaster
system is cheaper if that's what you mean, and lots of people like it. I
sell it for $299.

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of RobV
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 5:25 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 68 442 exhaust

Good afternoon folks,

The exhaust on my 68 442 is fairly worn, and I need to replace it.  Any
suggestions on where to shop for the best deal?  I have seen the Tamraz
setup for $359 not including tips, is there a better product?

Thanks!
Rob

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:04:08 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: GMB performance aluminum water pump on sale....

The GMB 130-1260P pump is the later Olds style w/ air conditioning - 6" 
from base to fan flange.  It has an aluminum housing and a solid metal 
disc tack welded to the back of the impeller to prevent cavitation (like 
the Flow Kooler pumps).  The GMB 130-1260 pump is the same size, but in 
a cast iron housing and without the disc.
(Note that Flow Kooler sells the discs to upgrade standard Olds water 
pumps for around $10, so the 130-1260 could be made functionally 
equivalent to the "P" pump for a reasonable amount, althouth you would 
still have the extra weight of the cast iron)

Michael Ecker

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:22:25 -0400
From: "John Orr" <olds330@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: GMB performance aluminum water pump on sale....

Michael,
not to sound stupid, but you are saying will not fit 67 cutlass small block
with A/C
john

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 19:49:45 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 68 442 exhaust

John,

Thanks for the reply.  Is the system you sell aluminized, with stock pipe
diameters, bolt up to stock manifolds, hang from the stock hanger locations,
& exiting from the bumper cutouts via mating to stock tips?  Or are they an
X/H pipe style?

Thanks!
Rob
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 exhaust


> "Better" is sort of subjective (and so is "best deal"). The Flowmaster
> system is cheaper if that's what you mean, and lots of people like it. I
> sell it for $299.

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 20:18:12 -0400
From: "Randy Geisel" <rocket455@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: NJ to Chicago Parts Transportation / '72 Vista Cruiser for sale

If Gene is willing to crate it and run to the airport, I'd give Forward Air
a shout for a quote.

I sent a 300lb rear from Philly to Dallas for $100 last year. You're looking
at 6-700 lbs and half the distance.....$150 maybe?

Ont he other hand...it's what...only about a 12 hour run to A.C. from
Chicago. A weekend vacation.....you'll probably come home with more of
Gene's parts too.

Randy

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 17:35:27 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Rear End Specialists  =8-)

> If the color changes are indicative of the wear
> pattern it looks pretty good.  The ring gear also looks like it has a fairly
> well centered wear pattern on it.
> 

I agree, looks like normal wear to me.

Kevin 

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:06:50 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: OPG Dealings?

good  experience with them
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Reed" <ssreed@direcway.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:37 PM
Subject: OPG Dealings?


> All,
> I was looking thru my OPG catalog tonight for some various little
> knick-knacks I need, and I was curious to hear how their customer support
> and sales staff are?
> I've never dealt with them, so let's hear any stories, good or bad.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve Reed
> '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
> '68 Cutlass Supreme 
> Austin, TX
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:09:05 -0400
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Rear End Specialists  =8-)

steeve i printed all the info out i forgot it at work i will scan and send thurs night.
 any q,s just call 732-986-6388
now on youre 96 did you use any poly  bushings ,and did you change rear controle arms. its almost
time to put my 94 back together
any improvement  ideas you have let me know
thanks
take care
ron
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Reed" <ssreed@direcway.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 4:20 PM
Subject: Rear End Specialists =8-)


> All,
> I was wondering if anyone one who has experience with ring, pinions,
> and carriers to take a look at the page where I have some close up shots of
> the internals.
> I think the Spider gears look fine, but was curious about the dark
> marks at the end of the pinion gear itself.  That as well as the "cross
> shaft??" that goes thru the 2 spiders so you can pull the C-Clips out.
>
> The link is:
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/help_pix.html
>
> Any thoughts are appreciated!
>
> Steve Reed
> '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
> '68 Cutlass Supreme
> Austin, TX
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com
>
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:20:00 -0400
From: "vze210y3" <vze210y3@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Dash Speaker(s)

Steve wrote:
> What have some of you done for having tunes in your rides?  Right
> now my original doors are butchered for 6.5" speakers, but I don't know if
I
> want to hack up the new doors I get.
> I'm not looking for anything outrageous by any means, just something
> to listen to occasionally besides the rumbling of the 455.


Steve,
Factory positioning and orientation of speakers is evidence that sound was
just an afterthought when these cars were built.  It's more important to
many of us.  This is especially true in my 75 Delta ragtop, where the rear
(very shallow) 6X9's are mounted behind the back seat back, pointing into
the top well (???).  That's for non-directional bass, I guess, but mids and
highs will just bounce around in the well (they're mounted too low to bounce
off the back window).  The 3.5's in the dash aren't going to produce decent
sound either.  I just bought some carpeted 6X9 boxes (designed to stand
upright and slanted to fit behind the seat of a pickup) for $30 and am going
to put some handles on them and decent speakers in the them and sit them in
the back seat.  I'll just leave some flying leads between the seat cushion
and the side panels, unplug 'em and stick 'em in the trunk when parked.
This arrangement will let me to move them back and forth from the Delta to
the 442 convertible.  I'm going to hide a FM/CD in the glove box, and maybe
stick some tweets in the dash.  'Should give me good sound and no impact on
the original interior.  There's also a new (and unbelievable) powered
subwoofer made by Infinity.  It fits under the back seat of my pickup and
has a control mounted under the dash.  One of those would be nice in the
trunk -- also easily disconnected and pulled out. But now we're talking
serious woofs and a lot more moola....

Scott
75 Delta rag
71 442 rag

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 18:21:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: Bill Brooks <deaconblue1969@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: 68 442 exhaust

> setup for $359 not including tips

Man, am I behind the times.  Now ya gotta tip the
muffler shop guy?  ;-)

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:03:28 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: RE: Rear End Specialists  =8-)

Eric,

> I think that's just a change in reflectiveness due to the 
> wear pattern of the gears.  You'll also notice on the 
> opposite end of the tooth the shading is a bit different as 
> well.  If the color changes are indicative of the wear 
> pattern it looks pretty good.  The ring gear also looks like 
> it has a fairly well centered wear pattern on it.
> 
> Are you considering purchasing this rear?
> 
> Eric

No I plan on upgrading gear ratio, and a posi carrier.  I was just curious,
especially when seeing the cross shaft being worn like that.  I have never
seen that in all the rears I have taken apart.


Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme 
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:07:20 -0500
From: "71 ragtop" <oldscutlass@cox.net>
Subject: Re: OPG Dealings?

I've also had good luck with them. In my opinion they have the best internet
catalog ordering page. By far!
 With The parts place and Year One I feel its best to order by phone thus
having to call during business hours and sometimes inconvenient. There's
some other venders I've done the internet order thing with and they took
wayyyy to long getting it shipped out to me.( no names...but 4 weeks for
body mounts was ridiculous)

Any way give them a try , do it on the internet too.

Tim
'71 cutlass convertible
http://geocities.com/twagor/




- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: OPG Dealings?


> good  experience with them
> ron
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steve Reed" <ssreed@direcway.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:37 PM
> Subject: OPG Dealings?
>
>
> > All,
> > I was looking thru my OPG catalog tonight for some various little
> > knick-knacks I need, and I was curious to hear how their customer
support
> > and sales staff are?
> > I've never dealt with them, so let's hear any stories, good or bad.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steve Reed
> > '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
> > '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
> > '68 Cutlass Supreme
> > Austin, TX
> > http://www.sreed.0catch.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 22:42:25 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 68 442 exhaust

> > setup for $359 not including tips
>
> Man, am I behind the times.  Now ya gotta tip the
> muffler shop guy?  ;-)

Ok, that was a good one!!

Rob

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:14:09 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: OPG Dealings?

Really? You like the OPG web site? I hate it. It takes several clicks to
finally get to the parts you're looking for, and they switch you into secure
mode for no reason at all, and then you get all these pop-up messages about
how the page contains both secure and non-secure items and do you want to
continue. Then you type in a part number from their catalog and it either
tells you that it can't be found, or finds it seven times, sometimes with a
picture and sometimes without, sometimes with different prices for the same
part. Aside from all of that, it's also in frames, so you can't bookmark a
particular page. It really is lousy from a web site developer's perspective.

John Nasta


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of 71 ragtop
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 10:07 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: OPG Dealings?

I've also had good luck with them. In my opinion they have the best internet
catalog ordering page. By far!
 With The parts place and Year One I feel its best to order by phone thus
having to call during business hours and sometimes inconvenient. There's
some other venders I've done the internet order thing with and they took
wayyyy to long getting it shipped out to me.( no names...but 4 weeks for
body mounts was ridiculous)

Any way give them a try , do it on the internet too.

Tim
'71 cutlass convertible
http://geocities.com/twagor/




- ----- Original Message -----
From: "ron fama" <77w30442@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:06 PM
Subject: Re: OPG Dealings?


> good  experience with them
> ron
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Reed" <ssreed@direcway.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 9:37 PM
> Subject: OPG Dealings?
>
>
> > All,
> > I was looking thru my OPG catalog tonight for some various little
> > knick-knacks I need, and I was curious to hear how their customer
support
> > and sales staff are?
> > I've never dealt with them, so let's hear any stories, good or bad.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Steve Reed
> > '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
> > '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
> > '68 Cutlass Supreme
> > Austin, TX
> > http://www.sreed.0catch.com
> >
> >
> >
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:34:19 -0500
From: "John C. Ramsey" <jramsey77@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Dash Speaker(s)

Hello All,

  I've spent a fair amount of time putting together a decent stereo for my
'69 Cutlass.  I've done much the same as Scott, except that I used a sheet
metal piece to mount a pair of 4" 2-ways in the dash, which are powered from
the head unit.  I've also installed the Custom Autosound kick panels (with
the slightly higher-end speakers they sell).  Those and the 6" component
speakers in the package tray are powered by a Phoenix Gold M44 4-channel
amp.  I also run a single 12" Rockford Fosgate Punch XLC subwoofer from a
box in the trunk.  The head unit is a Pioneer Premier MP3 player.  It
included enough internal functionality that I didn't have to use an external
equalizer (making the install much cleaner and easier!).  Overall, I've been
satisfied with this system.  The sound is clean and clear and has plenty of
power to hear whatever you want with the windows down and cruisin' at 75.

  I did put a really basic description of this on my web site (which is
still under major construction).  It's at:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jramsey77/

  If you click "interior" on the left, it'll take you to a quick overview of
the interior, including the stereo.  The whole site is really still in slow
construction.  I did, however, post a smaller version of a poster I made to
show the car with.  It's in the "Site News and Announcements" on the front
page.  It has way more pictures than the site, for anyone who's interested!

John Ramsey
'69 Cutlass 'S'

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of vze210y3
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 8:20 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Dash Speaker(s)



Steve wrote:
> What have some of you done for having tunes in your rides?  Right
> now my original doors are butchered for 6.5" speakers, but I don't know if
I
> want to hack up the new doors I get.
> I'm not looking for anything outrageous by any means, just something
> to listen to occasionally besides the rumbling of the 455.


Steve,
Factory positioning and orientation of speakers is evidence that sound was
just an afterthought when these cars were built.  It's more important to
many of us.  This is especially true in my 75 Delta ragtop, where the rear
(very shallow) 6X9's are mounted behind the back seat back, pointing into
the top well (???).  That's for non-directional bass, I guess, but mids and
highs will just bounce around in the well (they're mounted too low to bounce
off the back window).  The 3.5's in the dash aren't going to produce decent
sound either.  I just bought some carpeted 6X9 boxes (designed to stand
upright and slanted to fit behind the seat of a pickup) for $30 and am going
to put some handles on them and decent speakers in the them and sit them in
the back seat.  I'll just leave some flying leads between the seat cushion
and the side panels, unplug 'em and stick 'em in the trunk when parked.
This arrangement will let me to move them back and forth from the Delta to
the 442 convertible.  I'm going to hide a FM/CD in the glove box, and maybe
stick some tweets in the dash.  'Should give me good sound and no impact on
the original interior.  There's also a new (and unbelievable) powered
subwoofer made by Infinity.  It fits under the back seat of my pickup and
has a control mounted under the dash.  One of those would be nice in the
trunk -- also easily disconnected and pulled out. But now we're talking
serious woofs and a lot more moola....

Scott
75 Delta rag
71 442 rag

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:18:50 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 exhaust

It's an H-pipe setup and has to be adapted to whatever you have up front
(stock x-mans or headers). It is aluminized and mandrel bent 2.5-inch pipe.
It attaches to the stock hanger locations and literally takes about an hour
or two to install (I've done it). The 17119 system also comes with two sets
of tailpipes; straight out the back (Olds style) or bent down at the bumper
(all other GM).


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of RobV
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 7:50 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: 68 442 exhaust

John,

Thanks for the reply.  Is the system you sell aluminized, with stock pipe
diameters, bolt up to stock manifolds, hang from the stock hanger locations,
& exiting from the bumper cutouts via mating to stock tips?  Or are they an
X/H pipe style?

Thanks!
Rob
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 exhaust


> "Better" is sort of subjective (and so is "best deal"). The Flowmaster
> system is cheaper if that's what you mean, and lots of people like it. I
> sell it for $299.

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 21:27:11 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Dyno Results, Part Two

Steve,

You get an "OK-3".

Ron Fama, Jim Zito, and Mark Mullins should know what that means.

Ok-3 means an arrested landing on a carrier deck is as good as it can get.
God couldn't do it any better.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: <NUOLDSMAN@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 9:44 AM
Subject: Dyno Results, Part Two


> I finally got my new engine to the dyno and have the results.  For anyone
> thinking about getting an engine dyno'd, I have a few suggestions.  Thanks
to
> Paul Tumulo for some of them.
> Have your engine READY to dyno.  See if the shop can take your engine a
day
> or so early to have it ready to go when your appointed time comes.  Take
your
> own gas if they don't supply it.  Use the same gas you plan to run in the
car.
> Take some earplugs, as you will need them.  Bring a notebook to keep track
of
> what was done on each run so you have all the information afterwards.
Make
> sure that your distributor is curved to your cam specs.  I changed the
timing
> on mine several times in order to get the best horsepower and torque
readings,
> plus I changed the jets a few times as well.  I also changed carburetors,
air
> filters and a couple of other items.  If you don't note the changes each
time,
> you won't remember what was done afterwards.  I found out that my engine
> likes a lot of timing and that timing is critical to overall performance.
I also
> found out that the addition of a K & N airfilter in an OE aircleaner base
> didn't make a whole lot of difference in the numbers.  The engine is a
.060 over
> 455 with highly ported Edelbrock aluminum heads, Arias flat top pistons,
forged
> steel crank, Port-O-Sonic intake, 870 Holley, Engle 25/28 cam, Milodon
> oversized oilpan and gear drive setup, and oiling system mods.  Here are
some of the
> dyno results:
>
> RPM             TORQUE      POWER      BSFC
> BAND            Ft.-Lbs             HP          # / HP-Hr
> 3000                483.9               276.3           .194
> 4000                534.9               407.3           .356
> 4100                539.2               420.9           .37
> 5000                503.6               479.4           .42
> 5200                501.0               495.3           .42
>        My best HP reading was right at 500 and best torque was 519.  I
ended
> up running at 40 degrees total timing, which is all in by 3,000.  These
> numbers were all gotten using my old set of 1 5/8 inch headers, which
WON'T be used
> in the car, as I have a new set of 2 inch Hooker Super Comps, which will
be
> used in the car.  I couldn't install the Hookers on the engine while it
was on
> the dyno.  I figure I will realize a 15-25 Horsepower increase with the
new
> headers and richer jets.
>        Overall I was happy with the engine's performance, and I want to
> personally thank the builder, John Palmberger, who is also the president
of my
> local Oldsmobile Club.  John accompanied me to the dyno shop, and I think
he had
> more fun than I did.  The engine worked perfectly and sounded great.  I
> installed it in the car last night and am taking it to a muffler shop
tonight for a
> complete new system.  It will get 3.5 X 3 inch collectors into 3 inch V
Force
> mufflers.  I'm using 2.5 inch mandrel bent tailpipes and finishing with
2.5
> inch stainless steel trumpets.  I'm hoping to get it to the track this
week for a
> test and tune session, then maybe go to Joe Mondello's Nationals in Byron
> over the weekend, but that is doubtful at this point, as I'm scheduled to
work.
>        I would like to echo what Paul said after he got his engine dyno'd
a
> few weeks ago.  Anyone that has a substantial amount of money tied up in a
new
> motor should look into having it dyno'd.  My session cost me $500, which
is a
> lot of money, but it's a drop in the bucket if you tear something up in
your
> new engine while trying to break in the cam, or in it's initial stages,
and
> have to start all over.  Plus you know exactly what kind of numbers your
engine
> will make and you eliminate all the guesswork.  Hope this wasn't too long
or
> too boring.  Maybe some will get something out of it.
> Steve D
>

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:13:26 -0700
From: "Albert Penello" <albert@albertpenello.com>
Subject: RE: Dash Speaker(s)

I'm pretty happy with the setup I have in my 65 442. I wanted a kick-ass
system that doesn't have any real visible cues and appears stock (don't want
unwanted attention). 

I have the Custom Autosound USA6 with CD changer. The USA 6 deck itself is
powering one of the CA 4x10 stereo replacement speakers (the Kenwood upgrade
speakers). I opted for the USA6 since I don't listen to tapes so you get the
more powerful deck, with CD changer control and pre-outs for less than any
of the tape units they sell.

In the back, I have a Rockford/Fosgate amp, powering a 10in Sub and two 3in
Mid/High's that fit in the holes already in the rear decklid. I didn't want
to do any cutting to the car, and there are holes on either side below the
glass where you can fit 3in tweeters. I had to cut holes in the repro
package tray so you do see 2 speaker grilles behind the seat, but they small
and pretty much have a stock 'look'

The slick part is that I had a custom box built where I've mounted the Amp,
CD changer, and 10in sub, and it fits in the raised area behind the trunk
floor between the rear seat, so I don't lose any trunk area and you can't
even really see it with the trunk open. The whole assembly comes out as a
single unit so there was no permanent mounting of the equipment. 

The sound is AMAZING. I turn the bass down in the front speaker (powered by
the head unit) and basically use sub as the bass for the car since you can't
hear bass in stereo (no, it's not one of those THUMP, THUMP things you hear
from the import kids). With the rear tweeters/mids you get awesome stereo
imaging with bass you can really feel. It's kind of cool because all you
really see is this tiny little head unit, and you turn it on and it's like
"holy crap! Where is all that sound coming from?!"

I like the setup so much I'm doing the same thing in the 66 Skylark I'm
working on, except I'm going to use the CA kick-panel speakers (you can find
good deals on e-bay less than the catalogs) since I'm not going to have the
dash apart like I did on the Olds.


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Reed" <ssreed@direcway.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:39 PM
Subject: Dash Speaker(s)


> All,
> What have some of you done for having tunes in your rides?  Right
> now my original doors are butchered for 6.5" speakers, but I don't know if
I
> want to hack up the new doors I get.
> I'm not looking for anything outrageous by any means, just something
> to listen to occasionally besides the rumbling of the 455.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Reed
> '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
> '68 Cutlass Supreme
> Austin, TX
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com
>

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:23:58 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 68 442 exhaust

John,

What parts are needed to mount it to stock manifolds?

Rob
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 exhaust


> It's an H-pipe setup and has to be adapted to whatever you have up front
> (stock x-mans or headers). It is aluminized and mandrel bent 2.5-inch
pipe.
> It attaches to the stock hanger locations and literally takes about an
hour
> or two to install (I've done it). The 17119 system also comes with two
sets
> of tailpipes; straight out the back (Olds style) or bent down at the
bumper
> (all other GM).

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:25:58 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Fathers day 455

Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2004 23:54:08 -0400
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Fathers day present

Picked up a 455 Olds motor today for Fathers Day.
================
You too? I got a 455, and two 350's!

I'm pretty sure it is a 69 Toro motor. Here are the particulars if anyone
would like to verify.
Intake : 4 barrel Toro type. Number on manifold: 404522, big letter "M"
===========
Ayep, M is Toro, about that era



Block 396021F ( Stick type F) Block serial number 39M287797
===============
VIN seems low for Toros, they usually started above 500001. It did vary by 
year though, and it's 1969 Lansing Built for sure.
Checked for the elusive Forged Crank yet?


Heads: C heads ( Left Head has number at rear R10805 5)
=============
Weird
* C says [66 in rare instance]-67-68-69

* STAMP on the end of head says pre-68, therefore 1967. Pretty sure 
"R######_" is the 67 std issue 4-bbl

* The stamp is generally on the RH head, not LH. Then again if they were off 
a 67 motor then they were likely put on w/o regard to L vs R. Or, you were 
facing backwards and thus reversed L and R, in your mind. The _engine's_ 
Left is always its Left regardless of how you stand/ face.

- ----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

_________________________________________________________________
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Married. http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=married

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:36:35 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 exhaust

That's how mine is set up too. You need to have your own down-pipes coming
down from the stock x-mans to meet the Flowmaster pipes. You can clamp
and/or weld your pipes to theirs.


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of RobV
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:24 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: 68 442 exhaust

John,

What parts are needed to mount it to stock manifolds?

Rob
- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 exhaust


> It's an H-pipe setup and has to be adapted to whatever you have up front
> (stock x-mans or headers). It is aluminized and mandrel bent 2.5-inch
pipe.
> It attaches to the stock hanger locations and literally takes about an
hour
> or two to install (I've done it). The 17119 system also comes with two
sets
> of tailpipes; straight out the back (Olds style) or bent down at the
bumper
> (all other GM).

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:39:56 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 68 442 exhaust

Thanks John!
Rob
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 68 442 exhaust


> That's how mine is set up too. You need to have your own down-pipes coming
> down from the stock x-mans to meet the Flowmaster pipes. You can clamp
> and/or weld your pipes to theirs.

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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:01:10 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: 68 442 exhaust

Dear fellows, this Olds list works really bad!
It makes an hour or so that I've send an email to the lista and still
nothing, if it goes like this I will quit it, going to the cutlassowner or
so.
I've asked Jonh Nasta if he has 81CS sway bars...?
rgds
Matt

Matias Maciej L. Raniewicz
Trade 2000 Tour Op & Travel Agency
Paseo Las Palmas 2225 Local 211, Metro Los Leones, Santiago, Chile
travelchile@manquehue.net, www.southoftheworld.net
Fax: 56 2 3331165, Telefono Central: 56 2 3689411
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 10:36 AM
Subject: RE: 68 442 exhaust


> That's how mine is set up too. You need to have your own down-pipes coming
> down from the stock x-mans to meet the Flowmaster pipes. You can clamp
> and/or weld your pipes to theirs.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of RobV
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 8:24 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 68 442 exhaust
>
> John,
>
> What parts are needed to mount it to stock manifolds?
>
> Rob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
> Subject: RE: 68 442 exhaust
>
>
> > It's an H-pipe setup and has to be adapted to whatever you have up front
> > (stock x-mans or headers). It is aluminized and mandrel bent 2.5-inch
> pipe.
> > It attaches to the stock hanger locations and literally takes about an
> hour
> > or two to install (I've done it). The 17119 system also comes with two
> sets
> > of tailpipes; straight out the back (Olds style) or bent down at the
> bumper
> > (all other GM).
>
>

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