
oldsmobile-digest      Thursday, August 12 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4986



Re: Harmonic Balancer Failure
dash pad question
rust categories - was: Re: f/s - 68 98 LS
New Damper
Re: dash pad question
Re: f/s - 68 98 LS
Olds Things to Trade SBO for BBO parts
Re: Tire rotation
Re: dash pad question
New plate.
RE: f/s - 68 98 LS
RE: Some Batman car sightings...
Re: of garage lengths vs car lengths....
Re: Tire rotation question
Re: Tire rotation question (answered)
Re: New plate.
Re: of garage lengths vs car lengths....
Tire rotation question
Harmonic Balancer Failure
Re: Tire rotation question
UNBOUNCE: '59 Super 88 Parts?
UNBOUNCE: 1956 olds rocket 88 vin
1972 Delta 88 Royale Convertible
Re: of garage lengths and car lengths
Re: UNBOUNCE: 1956 olds rocket 88 vin
Fwd: Re: Some things you just can't explain
Re: of garage lengths vs car lengths....
Re: Harmonic Balancer Failure
W-31 engine installed - FINALLY!!!!!
scammers still at work
FYA: scammer alert
"no rust"
UNBOUNCE: Seeking '46 Olds
RE: UNBOUNCE: Seeking '46 Olds
Re: "no rust"/Car dealer geniuses

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:13:03 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Harmonic Balancer Failure

> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 10:18:19 -0400
> From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Harmonic Balancer Failure
>
> 417142 GM Part #
> go to GMpartsdirect.com and get it for like $85 delivered
> BRAND NEW
> Olds V8 1968-up rubberized unit.

So is there any reason why this balancer would not work on a 
pre-'68 engine, such as a '67 400?

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:05:13 -0400
From: "Gerow, Daniel R." <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: dash pad question

Greetings,

 So, as some of you may know I attended the NEOC/Schaller All-Olds show in
CT a few weeks ago.  While there, I got to gawk at two other 1970 post
coupes, a 442 and Cutlass, both of which were fairly original according to
their owner (yes, she luckily owned both of them).  In doing so, I raised
the [unresolved] topic of dash pad differences and heard some interesting
stuff.

In my W-31 post, I have the original dash which is ventless - NO vents
whatsoever, no blank-out plates, no vents at all.  Click for image, not the
best but all I have available to me now.

http://megatron.stonehill.edu/forum/uploaded/oldsrocket/20045423545_w31inter
ior.jpg

Also, my kick front kick panels only have one vent pull level, not two.
Every other Olds A-body I've owned has had at least the two center vents and
one on each end of the dash with two vent pulls in each kick panel.
Furthermore, I've only seen one other Olds (another '70 W-31) with my same,
ventless dash and singular kick vent.

A guy at the show insisted that the only Cutlii to receive my dash/kicks
were non-A/C F-85 posts.  Now, my car is a non-A/C Cutlass "S" as was one of
the other post cars at the show which had the "standard" dash vents w/ dual
vent kicks and was original to the car.  So, who can demystify this one for
me?  The winner gets a cookie of their choice, or a ride in the new
batmobile! ;)

TIA!

 ~ Dan

- -------------------------------------
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 4spd post
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 09:31:37 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: rust categories - was: Re: f/s - 68 98 LS

> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:47:48 EDT
> From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
> Subject: Re: f/s - 68 98 LS
>  
> In a message dated 8/11/2004 10:32:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
> rocketscience442@hotmail.com writes:
> 
> *"No  rust" here in MI is short for "no rust holes large 
> enough to throw a cat  thru" Holes as large as 4-5 inches, 
> and several of them, do not move the vehicle out of the 
> "no rust" category. :-)
> 
>  
> Here on the East Coast...Cat fits through=no rust. Cow fits  
> through=minimal rust. If Mack truck easily fits through=condition 3.
>  
>  
> Bruce

Holy moly, and I thought we had rust issues on the Gulf Coast. 
And now out here in the desert people think a pin head sized bubble 
under the paint is reason enough to walk away from an otherwise 
perfect car. "Look at the rust popping out on that car. I'll pass and 
find a local one that's not a rust bucket."

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:42:49 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: New Damper

417142 GM Part #
go to GMpartsdirect.com and get it for like $85 delivered
BRAND NEW
Olds V8 1968-up rubberized unit.

I just used one on my new 455 build.


Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:55:08 -0400
From: Joehume@aol.com
Subject: Re: dash pad question

I owned a '70 Cutlass Supreme Holiday Coupe, 3 speed on the floor, buckets, 350 2BBL, no A/C, upper vents in the dash with a center block out where the A/C vent would have been.  Also had the kick panel vents with the dual pulls for upper and lower.  Purchaced the car from the original owner.
Just my .02.
JoeH

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:09:34 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: f/s - 68 98 LS

>How bout flapping door panels? When I lived in Dearborn back in '82-
>'83, I rember seeing this P*nto running down the road with these
>wing-looking things sticking outta the sides. As it went past, I
>saw they were the door panels flapping in the breeze. You could see
>the winder glass inside the door as the panels rose  ;o)))))

I was going to suggest that maybe the car was trying to fly, and then I 
remembered that way the h*ll back in the early-to-mid-'70s, I saw an article 
in... um... Popular Science, I think it was, or maybe Popular Mechanics, 
about an aftermarket conversion company that had actually done this, 
complete with a photo that showed the flying Pinto, with an overhead wing 
attached.

I have some foggy memory that the whole thing was abandoned after some 
crashes. Maybe this was a good thing; I'd hate to have to duck every time 
I'm out back mowing the lawn and some teenager flies overhead in his rusty 
old Cutlass (with stereo blasting, oversized wings, dubs on the landing 
gear, peeing-Calvin sticker on the window, etc...)

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 13:53:40 -0400
From: "M. Gillespie" <mick442@rogers.com>
Subject: Olds Things to Trade SBO for BBO parts

I'm just finishing up the build of my 425 and need a set of BBO headers and
a 425 bolt pattern Flexplate. Would prefer 1 7/8" dia. and a header with
enough meet on the flange area to match to fully ported exhaust ports. 3"
collector.

I have to trade:

Edelbrock Performer RPM intake manifold for SBO. It has no cracks and is in
very good shape except for Heli-coiled waterneck threads, (stronger than
original aluminum). It will be bead blasted like new for the right deal.
$150 plus shipping or the right trade.

Hooker SuperComp 1. 75" ceramic coated headers for SBO. They are about 4
years old with 10K miles and are in very good shape except for some bubbling
of the ceramic around the collectors and some peeling in a 1" area of one of
the pipes. $200 no ship.

#5 heads with 2.072" and 1.71" stainless steel Miloden valves and bronze
guides. Valve springs are Edelbrock Performer RPM. Less than 10K miles since
built. $200 no ship.

Edelbrock Performer RPM camshaft. less than 7k miles. $75 plus shipping.

Comp Cams XE262H Camshaft about 3K miles. Hi intensity lifters kept in order
to go with it. $80 plus shipping.

Also have a set of Comp Cams hardened push rods from the Magnum roller
tipped rocker kit for SBO.
$20 plus shipping.

Complete set of stock Olds rocker arms, pedestals etc. Very good shape. Free
with the heads if you want them.

I am in Cambridge, Ontario, Canada. 2.5 hours from Detroit, 1.5 hours from
Buffalo. I would prefer to find a deal with someone within those driving
times. We could meet halfway.

Could also meet at the Olds Club of Canada Nationals in Balls Falls, (near
Niagara Falls), on August 14 or 15, 2004. See website
http://www.oldsclub.ca/nats.html

Mick Gillespie
1969 442 Conv. (clone)
1980 Toro
http://members.rogers.com/mick442/oldspage.htm

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 11:30:15 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Tire rotation

The info regarding rotating radials ONLY front to back was true in the 
'60's and '70's. If Michelins were rotated in an "X" pattern, there were 
problems.  I put BFG steel radials on my '62 Corvette in '73, and the sales 
guy told me to only rotate them front to rear.

  Proof positive of this was seen with my own eyes in 1975.  I was working 
for Hertz Rent A Car in Cleveland and about all new cars started to come 
with radials in the '75 model year.  The tire guy rotated tires on the 
fleet, and he had rotated about 100 cars in late '75 when they had 5,000 to 
6,000 miles on them, mainly Ford products with Michelins.  In the next 
couple of weeks, about all of the cars had MAJOR problems with blowouts, 
and many had 2-3 tires come apart on the freeways and had to be towed back 
to the airport.  Nobody told Bruce that the radials were NOT to be rotated 
in an "X" pattern like he was used to doing every day for years.  What a 
mess.  100's of ruined tires, damaged bodies on some cars.  Since then the 
tire manufacturers changed things so the radials can be rotated any way.  I 
still only go front to rear after seeing that mess.  Have 60,000 miles on 
the Michelins on our 2002 Chevy work van with 10,000 to go. Front to rear 
works fine for me.

Bruce had a beautiful '63 or '64 Plymouth Savoy with a 426 Hemi and a 4 
speed, drove it to work in good weather.  Oh well, that's another 
story................

Joe Varley
     AZ

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:25:17 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: dash pad question

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I thought that non-a/c post coupes (regardless of F-85 or Cutlass S) lacked dash vents because they had ventilator windows, instead.  But then, that would also apply to Vista Cruisers...
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 12:32:31 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tom Lentz <tom@pebkac.us>
Subject: New plate.

Just thought I'd de-lurk and share the new plate on my H/O.

http://tom.pebkac.us/rockpwr.jpg

Drove it to work today to show off.  I'm a happy camper :)

Well, other than the CEL it threw on the way in.... grrr.  Gotta check
that out now.

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 16:04:18 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: RE: f/s - 68 98 LS

Re buying vs selling and gold vs pewter....

Pretty much all this is proof that a lot of times, there's no real good
answer when the question is "What is my car worth?"

Oh, I'm sure the very desireable ones with the wider appeal have some sort
of predictable value, but when you get things with a more limited appeal,
such as the bigmobiles (which I admit I like), along with others, it
becomes a "whatever someone's willing to pay for it"

Unfortunately in John's case, time was most certainly not on his side.

The maddening thing is that it is always possible that you've missed the
guy who would've shown up next week, or next month, or next year, who
really REALLY wants that particular car.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 20:06:52 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Some Batman car sightings...

>Some footage of it on the local news showed it darting around the support 
>beams of the overhead train tracks, being chased by the Gotham Police cars,

P.S. A glance just now out our 18th-floor window to the parking lot below 
was interesting: We've now accumulated five Gotham City squad cars down 
there, plus two Gotham City SUVs (with the same black-and-white police paint 
job and Mars lights), plus no fewer than three big, black, GMC step-side 
SWAT vans, each sporting two Mars lightbars, front and back. Looks like 
they're getting ready for a minor war down there.  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 15:45:05 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: of garage lengths vs car lengths....

Reminds me of my friends garage, except his is the opposite. He has an 
early '70s house, and the former occupants had big 'ol Chryslers, 
apparently. His garage is at least 25-30 feet long and about 20 feet 
wide. Absolutely swallows his little early RX-7 and Triumph Spitfire. 
In fact, you can put both of them end to end and they'll still fit in 
one side. Or turn them sideways...
I covet his garage.
I could just get my Cutlass into mine, with the workbench and a couple 
of feet to move around, even though my house was built in 1964.

krw
On Aug 11, 2004, at 12:24 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2004 23:33:46 -0400
> From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
> Subject: of garage lengths vs car lengths....
>
> Yipe.....
>
> Finally, after too much time of the 1972 Olds 98 being parked outside,
> getting rained on (almost 2 out of every 3 days it seems!), and 
> developing
> more surface rust on its neglected roof, I finally get the garage 
> cleared
> up, and pulled the car inside.
>
> One of the front bumper guards is touching the drywall.  The garage 
> door
> itself had to be flexed outward slightly on its downward travel so 
> that one
> of the garage door's hinges would clear the rear bumper.
>
> I know for a fact that a classic, pre-1977 Caddy is definitely not in 
> my
> future.
>
> But, on the off chance I get another vehicle, how does the 1972 98's 
> length
> compare to say the same year Delta 88?
>
> How about Impala/Caprice, Bonneville/Catalina, or LeSabre/Electra?  
> Were
> they all exactly the same length bumper to bumper at their longest 
> points?
>
> I'm almost afraid to ask about the 1968-1972 era fullsizers from Ford 
> and
> Chrysler might compare.
>
> Now if there were only an economical way to stretch my garage by just 
> a few
> inches.
>
> 	- Joe Vahabzadeh
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:07:58 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Tire rotation question

> I've always believed when rotating tires, an X configuration should occur.
> That is to say, right front to left rear and left front to right rear. In
this
> week's Old Cars Magazine, in the Q&A section, a guy writes that radial
tires
> should be rotated front to back on the same side (right front to right
rear,
> etc.) because the steel belts wear in a certain pattern on each side. He
> claims that rotating in an X, will cause the steel belts to unravel at
speeds
> over 70 mph. I've never heard of this and Old Cars Magazine did not
dispute this
>  in their answer. Can this be true?


That's what the tire companies do when rotating radials, depending on the
specific manufacturer instructions. The owner's manuals show the same thing
on late model cars. The X configuration was usually for bias-ply. There have
been some radials that were made for X rotation, but not many.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 14:16:35 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Tire rotation question (answered)

Nope, or at least couldn't remember it.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


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From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:35 AM
Subject: Fwd: Tire rotation question (answered)


>
> In a message dated 8/11/2004 9:44:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
> JonKrisInc@aol.com writes:
>
> I've always believed when rotating tires, an X configuration should
occur.
> That is to say, right front to left rear and left front to right rear.  In
this
> week's Old Cars Magazine, in the Q&A section, a guy writes  that radial
tires
> should be rotated front to back on the same side (right  front to right
rear,
> etc.) because the steel belts wear in a certain pattern  on each side. He
> claims that rotating in an X, will cause the steel belts to  unravel at
speeds
> over 70 mph. I've never heard of this and Old Cars Magazine  did not
dispute
> this in their answer. Can this be  true?
>
>
>
> According to Goodyear:      Front wheel  drive vehicles
>
>                                         Front  two tires go straight back
>                                          Rear tires crisscross to front
>
>                                         Rear  wheel drive vehicles
>
>                                          Rear two tires go straight up
>                                          Front crisscross to rear
>
> C'mon, nobody knew that, right?
> I sure didn't.
>
> Bruce
> 75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
> 72 Cutlass Conv.
> 56 190 SL Conv.
> 92  Eldo
>

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:26:07 -0400
From: "ftfunnyfarm" <ftfunnyfarm@voyager.net>
Subject: Re: New plate.

Tom........Great looking plate!!!! Thanks for sharing...speaking of plates I
renewed mine for my Cutty and it was 32.00....I have the registration from
back in '87 and it cost me 27.00 back than...not bad,'eh

Tami

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:35:29 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: of garage lengths vs car lengths....

Coming into this one a tad late...

>But, on the off chance I get another vehicle, how does the 1972 98's length 
>compare to say the same year Delta 88?

I suspect it will be slightly longer; one of the hallmarks of the 98 was its 
long "formal" rear quarters as compared to the 88. (i.e. It was supposed to 
_look_ longer, and may well have been a couple of inches longer at least.)

>How about Impala/Caprice, Bonneville/Catalina, or LeSabre/Electra?

It depends on the year, and whether the nameplates were actually different 
models, or just different trim levels of the same model.

For example, in the early 1970s, up to and including 1973, the Impala and 
Caprice had the same sheet metal and front and rear ends (as did the Bel Air 
and Biscayne), differing only in trim level and number of taillights. In 
1974 the Impala and Caprice went to slightly different front end treatments, 
and for a few years they had a silly progressive-obsolesence program going 
whereby the new year's Impala was given a variation on the previous year's 
Caprice nose. They finally downsized both in 1977 and again shared very 
similar (but not identical) noses.

>Were they all exactly the same length bumper to bumper at their
>longest points?

I doubt it; there was no requirement to meet a certain dimension from one 
model to another. Using the same platform might guarantee the same wheelbase 
between models, but that was about it. The 1973 models would be especially, 
um, "nosey" since that was the year that the 5-mph front crash standards 
went into effect. (Olds and some others had already begun putting 2½-mph 
bumpers on some of their cars in 1971 and 1972.)

>Now if there were only an economical way to stretch my garage
>by just a few inches.

It can be done: my friend's dad achieved it by trying out the 5-mph bumper 
of his new 1973 Caprice on the back wall of his garage, just to see if the 
bumper would retract and recover as advertised. It did, and also pushed the 
back wall of the garage back about three inches.  :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:42:30 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Tire rotation question

11 Aug 2004  SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net> writes:

> Personally, I'm extremely reluctant to go against any tire 
> manufacturer's recommendation at all, such as inflation 
> pressure or rotation or even tire loading. 

I have no loading issues, being one or 2 sizes over the 
OEM.  Pressure wise, the car recommendation wears out 
the edges first.  I raise the pressure till wear is straight 
across.  Still within tire mfg limits.  Higher and the middle 
wears out first.  Bruce Roe

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 18:33:20 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Harmonic Balancer Failure

11 Aug 2004  robert.demuth@prudential.com writes:

> Fluidampers sure are nice, and that was actually the very 
> firsts thought that came to my head ... but there's no way I'm
> dumping another $500 into a car that's worth all of $1500

Well yes, but for me its just a "loan".  When a car reaches 
the point where I don't want it, I just strip off all the exotic 
stuff I had added.   Stainless steel exhaust and brake lines, 
big diesel tank/alternator/air cleaner, lots of other stuff, and 
of course the damper.  The damper just goes on any other 
Olds, don't you love the way about everything will 
interchange?  

Experience with the fluidamper is, it's a friction fit.  You need 
that JCW tool to take them on and off.  It should be about 
1/2 mil undersize, but I got some 1.5 mil under.  TOO tight.  
I reamed them out to 1/2 mil (really, just removed the 
anodizing) with some emery paper, and they were fine.   I 
found the different shape of the counterweight hit the front 
engine supports on a 79 Toro, but just a little work on the 
supports fixed that.

Bruce Roe

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:27:34 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Tire rotation question

I had the dealer rotate the tires on the Intrigue a while ago, and they
used the Goodyear recommended pattern (the half-X). 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:29:04 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '59 Super 88 Parts?

Not on the list, respond to lloydpruitt@sbcglobal.net if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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From:   Lloyd Pruitt <lloydpruitt@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: 1959 Super 88 parts?????????

I'm the proud owner of this beast...mechanically sound, but needs some
cosmetic work.  I am looking for a glove compartment, "super 88" script,
knob for the seat adjuster, and hubcap clips.  Can anyone help?? 
 
Thanks,
 
Lloyd Pruitt
Neosho, MO
USA

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:31:53 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: 1956 olds rocket 88 vin

Not on the list, respond to SensesFailKid1@aol.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
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From:   SensesFailKid1@aol.com
Subject: 1956 olds rocket 88 vin decoder

Hello,

       I have a question i can't seem to find the vin tag on my 1956 Olds 
Rocket 88 (4 dr. hrd top) and i wanted to know where i could find it on the 
engine or frame? 

                                                                        - 
Thank You
                                                                           
(Andrew Kelly)

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:42:20 -0700 (PDT)
From: Michael Fellenzer <mfellenzer@yahoo.com>
Subject: 1972 Delta 88 Royale Convertible

Hi,

After nine years of indecision regarding restoration,
I've decided to sell my '72 Delta 88 Royale
Convertible. 145,00 miles. 455 Rocket! Runs well.
Asking $3,000. Excellent candidate for restoration.
Located in Indianapolis. Please email for more
information. Regards, Michael


		
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:47:58 -0500
From: Darryl Wright <leadfoot@wtd.net>
Subject: Re: of garage lengths and car lengths

1972 Olds 98 LS (Which I own one), Length,counting the trailer hitch mine has, 18 feet,11 inches........and mine stuck out nearly a FOOT when I had a place with a garage many years ago!!!!  (This is why I know the length,I actually measured it) ..... in digesting mode.(Mmmm!!!!.....pass me them 'taters,pleeze?.....) 1972 Olds 98, under re-constuction, parked outside due to NO garage.(But at least I'm in Texas!!)
'Till Later; Darryl Wright 

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:49:47 +0000
From: roc88ket@comcast.net
Subject: Re: UNBOUNCE: 1956 olds rocket 88 vin

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My '53 had the VIN on the inside of the driver's side door jam that is adjacent to the windshield.

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> Not on the list, respond to SensesFailKid1@aol.com if you can assist. 
> 
> Greg Beaulieu ab348@chebucto.ns.ca Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada 
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> Subject: 1956 olds rocket 88 vin decoder 
> 
> Hello, 
> 
> I have a question i can't seem to find the vin tag on my 1956 Olds 
> Rocket 88 (4 dr. hrd top) and i wanted to know where i could find it on the 
> engine or frame? 
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> Thank You 
> 
> (Andrew Kelly) 
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My '53 had the VIN on the inside of the driver's side door jam that is adjacent to the windshield.<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR><BR>&gt; Not on the list, respond to SensesFailKid1@aol.com if you can assist. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Greg Beaulieu ab348@chebucto.ns.ca Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada <BR>&gt; Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; ---------- Forwarded message ---------- <BR>&gt; From: SensesFailKid1@aol.com <BR>&gt; Subject: 1956 olds rocket 88 vin decoder <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hello, <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I have a question i can't seem to find the vin tag on my 1956 Olds <BR>&gt; Rocket 88 (4 dr. hrd top) and i wanted to know where i could find it on the <BR>&gt; engine or frame? <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; - <BR>&gt; Thank You <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; (Andrew Kelly) <BR>&gt; </BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:58:29 -0500
From: Darryl Wright <leadfoot@wtd.net>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Some things you just can't explain

>All I can say is simply there is just no accounting for Bad Taste??........My best guess or vote goes to heavy usage of hallucingenic drugs????                       

'Till Later; Darryl Wright 

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 21:25:48 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: of garage lengths vs car lengths....

You can gain a few extra inches by converting from a roll-up door to a pair 
of swing-out doors.

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:23:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Harmonic Balancer Failure

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The rubber ring on my harmonic balancer deteriorated, so the outer ring
separated from the inner hub, and it is now rubbing the timing cover.  
I
was hearing an odd noise for the last 200 or so miles, only when it was
sputtering at idle (thus hitting very low RPM) when cold ... but I 
thought
it sounded like the alternator bearings going out.  Welll, last night I
went out to play with the timing, and imagine my surprise.  What are my
options for replacing it, quickly?  It's a '79 350 I rebuilt almost 2 
years
ago.  It's been a total b--ch ever since.

Thanks,
Bob DeMuth.
'72 88 conv.
Some other stuff
====================
417142 GM Part #
go to GMpartsdirect.com and get it for like $85 delivered
BRAND NEW
Olds V8 1968-up rubberized unit.
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except 68-70 W-31, of course.
 
Of note, Greg Rollin at Supercars can rebuild a balancer too.
 
Chris "who's W-31 has a Supercars rebuilt balancer on it"
grp442@yahoo.com
 

		
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<DIV>The rubber ring on my harmonic balancer deteriorated, so the outer ring<BR>separated from the inner hub, and it is now rubbing the timing cover.&nbsp; <BR>I<BR>was hearing an odd noise for the last 200 or so miles, only when it was<BR>sputtering at idle (thus hitting very low RPM) when cold ... but I <BR>thought<BR>it sounded like the alternator bearings going out.&nbsp; Welll, last night I<BR>went out to play with the timing, and imagine my surprise.&nbsp; What are my<BR>options for replacing it, quickly?&nbsp; It's a '79 350 I rebuilt almost 2 <BR>years<BR>ago.&nbsp; It's been a total b--ch ever since.<BR><BR>Thanks,<BR>Bob DeMuth.<BR>'72 88 conv.<BR>Some other stuff<BR>====================<BR>417142 GM Part #<BR>go to GMpartsdirect.com and get it for like $85 delivered<BR>BRAND NEW<BR>Olds V8 1968-up rubberized unit.<BR>- ----------------------<BR>Chris Witt<BR>------------------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>except 68-70 W-31, of course.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Of note, Greg Rollin at Supercars can rebuild a balancer too.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Chris "who's W-31 has a Supercars rebuilt balancer on it"</DIV>
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 19:33:12 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: W-31 engine installed - FINALLY!!!!!

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Well, after many issues, James Aiello helped me install my J&S rebuilt original engine back into the W-31 last night.  Had a little bit of trouble getting things lined up, scratched some paint (oh well), but at 11:30pm she was resting between the fenders for the first time in many years.  Now I just need to bolt it in, then install the hoses I just got from Fusicks.  Then of course, alt and p/s brackets, starter, spring ring battery cables, carb and assorted other clips, brackets and misc items.
 
Chris "who now has his matching numbers W-31 back"
grp442@yahoo.com
 

		
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<DIV>Well, after many issues, James Aiello helped me install my J&amp;S rebuilt original engine back into the W-31 last night.&nbsp; Had a little bit of trouble getting things lined up, scratched some paint (oh well), but at 11:30pm she was resting between the fenders for the first time in many years.&nbsp; Now I just need to bolt it in, then install the hoses I just got from Fusicks.&nbsp; Then of course, alt and p/s brackets, starter, spring ring battery cables, carb and assorted other clips, brackets and misc items.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Chris "who now has his matching numbers W-31 back"</DIV>
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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:35:44 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: scammers still at work

unbelievable
Got a cashier's ck today for $11,500.
I believe this is for "parts"
We do not even know what "parts" exactly, they never said...
>From 442.com ad.

This AFTER I got 2 or 3 of their eddresses killed by reporting them to 
Postmaster@...
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2004 23:55:58 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: FYA: scammer alert

I might just fwd the list a note soon from the scammer

anything from me with SUBJECT = FYA: means "For Your Amusement" to the list
Just bypass it if not interested, ok?
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 00:32:41 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: "no rust"

*"No  rust" here in MI is short for "no rust holes large enough to throw a
cat  thru" Holes as large as 4-5 inches, and several of them, do not move 
the
vehicle out of the "no rust" category. :-)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Here on the East Coast...Cat fits through=no rust. Cow fits  through=minimal
rust. If Mack truck easily fits through=condition 3.
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OK, I been drinkin tonite
it's 12:30 am and the house has had no shower for a week. Workin' on that. 
"new tub wall kit + "mitaswells" = tore down the main bathroom to the bare 
studs/ cinder blocks.

Let me clarify  "Throw a cat thru"
Anyone who has actually thrown a cat can attest that they require quite a 
large hole to pass thru unscathed.
Er, ah, so I hear....

Like , 2-3 ft diameter.

That'd fit right about on yer "cow fits thru" area.
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1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 06:39:45 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: Seeking '46 Olds

Not on the list, respond to Jbvmpls@aol.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Subject: 1946 oldsmobile

I am looking for a 1946 oldsmobile 4dr. sedan with 6cyl. flat head and 
hydramatic transmission. I hope to find one that is original and complete with 
original interior and rust free body and also running. My wife and I owned such a 
car when we were first married and have wonderful memories of good times.  I 
hope to find one that is affordable pref. under 5k.
Please contact me should you encounter or hear of such a vehicle.
Thanks      John Vetrano            jbvmpls@aol.com

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 07:29:13 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: UNBOUNCE: Seeking '46 Olds

Uh, yeah. Might happen.

John Nasta



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> 1946 oldsmobile

>original and complete with original interior and rust free body and also
running
> pref. under 5k

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Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:28:38 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: "no rust"/Car dealer geniuses

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In a message dated 8/12/2004 12:36:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,  
rocketscience442@hotmail.com writes:

Here on  the East Coast...Cat fits through=no rust. Cow fits   through=minimal
rust. If Mack truck easily fits through=condition  3.



Let me tell you 'bout some used car dealer lots on Coney Island  Avenue in 
Brooklyn, NY about 30 years ago.
You'd take a car for a test drive, go over a set of RR tracks and the  "bump" 
would leave enough bondo on the tracks to stop a train. 
But these guys were geniuses when it came to salesmanship. I was  selling my 
grandfather's '54 Olds 88. It was really a pretty car in  good shape, two tone 
blue and white.(wish I had it today). The car was  worth about $500 at the 
time. As soon as I drove into the car lot, the owner  came over with a clipboard 
in his hand. He said, "what are you looking for," I  said $500. He never said 
no, but proceeded to mentally tear me down. He opened  the hood, rubbed his 
finger on the hood hinge (of course some white Lithium  grease came off) shook 
his head with a frown and marked it down on the  clipboard. He kicked the 
fender, some mud fell out, again, shook his head and  wrote it down. He kept this 
up for about fifteen minutes, never saying a word,  just shaking his head, 
frowning and writing. He looked up and said "How much did  you say you were 
looking for?"  He had me in such disarray that when he  finally, looked at me and 
said, I'll give you $250, I grabbed it. That car was  worth $500. That guy was 
good.
 
Bruce
75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92  Eldo

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