
oldsmobile-digest       Saturday, June 26 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4933



RE: Homecoming '04   [-long saga-]
Milodon vs. Melling Oil Pump
Re: Milodon vs. Melling Oil Pump
FW: Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE RED /BLK
starting problems
Re: starting problems
new msd
Re: Carter Fuel Pumps
RE: Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE RED /BLK
Carter fuel pump clarification
Re: new msd
Fw: Olds and Chevy
Re: Carter fuel pump clarification
Re: new msd
Re: Carter fuel pump clarification

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 16:59:26 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Homecoming '04   [-long saga-]

Speaking of Bob Cline, he has a new web site for car models.

http://scalemodelparts.com/

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 17:16:24 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Milodon vs. Melling Oil Pump

I put the Milodon 7 quart oil pan, windage tray, hardened pump drive
shaft and pick up into my 455 rebuild.

The Milodon HV oil pump IS the Melling HV pump. It is just repackaged by
Milodon.

Go with the Melling pump. It's a quality part.

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 18:30:47 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Re: Milodon vs. Melling Oil Pump

Thanks Paul and Milton. Melling sounds like the way to go for the 
pump. Looks like Jegs has the pump and all the Milodon bits in stock, 
so I'll get them ordered shortly.

John
68 442 convt.

>I put the Milodon 7 quart oil pan, windage tray, hardened pump drive
>shaft and pick up into my 455 rebuild.
>
>The Milodon HV oil pump IS the Melling HV pump. It is just repackaged by
>Milodon.
>
>Go with the Melling pump. It's a quality part.
>
>Paul Tumolo
>1970 442 Hardtop
>OCA # 31967

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 20:44:16 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: FW: Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE RED /BLK

Well, Ted PartsnJunk, you are obviously more familiar with the "Junk" than
you are with Oldsmobiles.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Christopher Witt
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:44 AM
> To: parts@partsnjunk2.com
> Cc: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Reply from ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE
> RED /BLK
>
>
> >From: <parts@partsnjunk2.com>
> >Reply-To: <parts@partsnjunk2.com>
> >To: <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> >Subject: Re: Question from eBay Member: 1968 68  HURST OLDS TRIM TAG  GM
> >NICE RED /BLK INT
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:57:52 -0400
> >
> >Question from eBay Member: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE
> RED /BLK INT
>
> >Hello,
> >     Actually the prototypes were not silver, But this should have been
> >listed as a 442. Sorry, we are not that familar with the slowest GM
> >"Muscle" cars, or "boats" as those are better known. We deal mostly
> >Chevelles and Camaros. However, I drive an all original 57 Buick Special
> >Riviera. And I would not be suprised if it had more "Muscle"
> than the Olds
> >of the Muscle car era.
> >Hope this helps,
> >Ted @
> >PartsNjunk2
> ============
> Oh, that helps, allright
> Helps show your mindset, which just... ain't... right.
> Obviously the fumes have gotten to you...
> "slowest"
> "boats"
> Whatever... Sour grapes because no ChevyA-body got a 455 in 1968?
>   Just admit it, your ad has a blatant lie, and should be corrected, the
> part has nothing whatsoever to do with a 1968 Hurst/Olds.
>
> Listmembers... give this guy a verbal spanking like he deserves-
> cc right to
> him:
>    parts@partsnjunk2.com
> ==========================
>
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: rocketscience442@hotmail.com
> >   To: parts@partsnjunk2.com
> >   Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:37 PM
> >   Subject: Question from eBay Member: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM
> TAG GM NICE
> >RED /BLK INT
> >
> >
> >               Question from eBay Member: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM
> >NICE RED /BLK INT (Item # 2482879669)
> >
> >               Dear partsnjunk2,
> >
> >               uhm... since all '68 Hurst/Oldses were Peruvian
> Silver with
> >a "dash-dash" paint code, and your body plate says otherwise... what's
> >"Hurst" about it? Striving for accuracy and HONESTY here... Chris
> >517-449-0432
> >
> >               To view the item, go to:
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2482879669
>
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 23:20:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: JEFFREY LISLE <jeffslisle@yahoo.com>
Subject: starting problems

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I swaped in a 350 with HEI in place of my 330 and everything is fine but when I turn the key it turns over fine but nothing happens, as soon as I let off the key it starts.....sometimes when it wont start it "backfires" gas fumes out of the carb.  Other than that she runs like a champ.  Any suggestions?  Jeff/ '65 Cutlass

		
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 02:42:29 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: starting problems

Jeff,

> I swaped in a 350 with HEI in place of my 330 and everything is fine but
when I turn the key it turns over fine but nothing happens, as soon as I let
off the key it starts.....sometimes when it wont start it "backfires" gas
fumes out of the carb.  Other than that she runs like a champ.  Any
suggestions?  Jeff/ '65 Cutlass


You probably know this, but an original HEI equipped engine doesn't have a R
terminal on the solenoid like a point distributor equipped engine does. It
has only the S (start) terminal. The HEI gets 12 volts directly from both
the start position and the run position off of the ignition switch. On a
point distributor engine, the start position on the ignition switch provides
12 volts to the coil from the R terminal from the solenoid for starting
only, bypassing the ballast resistor or resistance wire (which is used on
your car). The run position on your ignition switch provides 9 volts to the
coil from the resistance wire for the points.

You probably removed the R wire from the solenoid, which is what you had to
do. You also probably connected the coil wire from the old distributor to
the HEI, which is a 9 volt resistance wire and is only energized when the
ignition switch is on run, but not when the switch is on start. You are not
getting any voltage to the HEI when you spin the engine with the starter,
but when you release the key and the switch pops into run, the engine starts
because of the residual rotation still present, gas has been pulled into the
engine, and electricity is then available.

There are several ways to cure the problem. You could find a post '72
ignition switch and try to install it in your dash. There's a relay system
that can be wired in to handle the electrical distribution between starting
and running the engine. You have to be careful and not wind up with constant
voltage to the starter with the starter trying to run all the time.

Finally, I just install a toggle switch under the dash, run a 12 volt 14
gauge wire to it from the horn relay master terminal, and use it as a
separate run/kill switch for the engine. You still need the key to energize
the starter. That's the simple way. On the bright side, hide the toggle
switch, and it will be an anti-theft device.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:43:52 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: new msd

I got my new msd distributor and ignition box yeaterday. I have never messed
with an msd or anything with no vacume advance so could someone give me an
idea of where to start with the advance curve, total advace, and when to get
it in by? So I have a starting point. I was thinking of the two blue springs
which put it all in by around 3800 and start it at around 1400. Not sure
which bushing to use for the amount of total advance though. It came with a
21 degree installed and there is also a 25 and 28 degree. I'm thinking in
the neighborhood of 38 total and I'm leaning tword the 25 or 21 degree
bushing with 13 or 17 degrees inital timing since there is no vacume
advance. Or am I way off here?

Allen Schwartz
A&L Enterprises
mycj@tds.net

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 09:51:48 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Carter Fuel Pumps

D8d we ever figure out if this is the same pump or not? I went out this
morning and mine is leakign fuel out around the pinch seam that holds it
together and I was about to leave for the mondello olds drags in byron.

Allen Schwartz
A&L Enterprises
mycj@tds.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Ecker" <ecker567@earthlink.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 7:44 AM
Subject: RE: Carter Fuel Pumps


> "I think I'll drop by NAPA today and see about a M6108 - $8 cheaper than
> Summit's price.
> Are we SURE these are the same 120 gph Carter pumps, or are they
> possibly a NAPA copy?"
>
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Took another look at NAPA's website - WTF?????
>
> They have their replacement M6108 (both the "standard" and "tru-flow"
versions) and the M6109 rated as 23 gph pumps!
>
> The Carter pumps are listed as being 120 gph, and even the crappy Holley
pumps are 80 gph!
>
> I guess I just answered my own question, and the question about why I
usually shop from Summit rather than the local NAPA store!
>
> HTH someone else on the list - beware of NAPA!
>
> Michael Ecker
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:06:26 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE RED /BLK

It obviously would do no good to debate this issue with you because you are
so narrowminded.  This is not about the cars, it is about the people
involved.  You have no respect for those who don't share your opinions, and
with an attitude like that, I'm glad you're not into Oldsmobiles.  I don't
care if you have 1,000 cars in inventory.  Money can't buy class.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net

> -----Original Message-----
> From: parts@partsnjunk2.com [mailto:parts@partsnjunk2.com]
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 11:35 PM
> To: Kurt
> Subject: Re: Reply from ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM
> NICE RED /BLK
>
>
> Hello Kurt,
>     We have over 70 cars in inventory.
> Here is a copy of the e-mail sent:
>
> Hello Chris,
>                  The listing was changed immeadiately upon reciept of your
> information. Thank you. However, you are no rocket scientist, the 396-427
> and the later 454 outperformed the land yacht you tout. I think
> the 302 cars
> may have also run better times in 68. Unfortunately, all BPO's had weak
> bottom ends, and could hold no place in competition at the strip.
> If you are
> into how "BIG" it is, you may have other issues. The Caddies had
> a 472 @ 375
> and the Tornado was pumped to 400HP in 68. In my book "Muscle
> Car" pertains
> to performance. I was at the strips in 68. I saw parts and pieces of the
> BOP's all over. The only ones that could run with the Mopars were
> Chevrolet's.
> Nuff said.
> Hope this helps,
> Ted @
> PartsNjunk2
> P.S.
> If we receive any unsolicited e-mails as a result of your "anxiety". You
> will be reported to eBay.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
> To: <parts@partsnjunk2.com>
> Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:44 PM
> Subject: FW: Reply from ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM
> TAG GM NICE
> RED /BLK
>
>
> > Well, Ted PartsnJunk, you are obviously more familiar with the
> "Junk" than
> > you are with Oldsmobiles.
> >
> > Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
> > http://wmachines.shubes.net
> > '65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
> > '67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
> > '92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Christopher Witt
> > > Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 8:44 AM
> > > To: parts@partsnjunk2.com
> > > Cc: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > Subject: Reply from ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM
> TAG GM NICE
> > > RED /BLK
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: <parts@partsnjunk2.com>
> > > >Reply-To: <parts@partsnjunk2.com>
> > > >To: <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> > > >Subject: Re: Question from eBay Member: 1968 68  HURST OLDS TRIM TAG
> GM
> > > >NICE RED /BLK INT
> > > >Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:57:52 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Question from eBay Member: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE
> > > RED /BLK INT
> > >
> > > >Hello,
> > > >     Actually the prototypes were not silver, But this
> should have been
> > > >listed as a 442. Sorry, we are not that familar with the slowest GM
> > > >"Muscle" cars, or "boats" as those are better known. We deal mostly
> > > >Chevelles and Camaros. However, I drive an all original 57 Buick
> Special
> > > >Riviera. And I would not be suprised if it had more "Muscle"
> > > than the Olds
> > > >of the Muscle car era.
> > > >Hope this helps,
> > > >Ted @
> > > >PartsNjunk2
> > > ============
> > > Oh, that helps, allright
> > > Helps show your mindset, which just... ain't... right.
> > > Obviously the fumes have gotten to you...
> > > "slowest"
> > > "boats"
> > > Whatever... Sour grapes because no ChevyA-body got a 455 in 1968?
> > >   Just admit it, your ad has a blatant lie, and should be
> corrected, the
> > > part has nothing whatsoever to do with a 1968 Hurst/Olds.
> > >
> > > Listmembers... give this guy a verbal spanking like he deserves-
> > > cc right to
> > > him:
> > >    parts@partsnjunk2.com
> > > ==========================
> > >
> > > >   ----- Original Message -----
> > > >   From: rocketscience442@hotmail.com
> > > >   To: parts@partsnjunk2.com
> > > >   Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:37 PM
> > > >   Subject: Question from eBay Member: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM
> > > TAG GM NICE
> > > >RED /BLK INT
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >               Question from eBay Member: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG
> GM
> > > >NICE RED /BLK INT (Item # 2482879669)
> > > >
> > > >               Dear partsnjunk2,
> > > >
> > > >               uhm... since all '68 Hurst/Oldses were Peruvian
> > > Silver with
> > > >a "dash-dash" paint code, and your body plate says
> otherwise... what's
> > > >"Hurst" about it? Striving for accuracy and HONESTY here... Chris
> > > >517-449-0432
> > > >
> > > >               To view the item, go to:
> > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2482879669
> > >
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> >
>

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:36:56 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: Carter fuel pump clarification

Here is what Summit has to say about the Carter fuel pumps (rated at 120 
gallons per hour according to their website):

"Hello. The Carter M6108 is considered a stock replacement for the Olds. They do not offer a high volume pump for your application. You will want to use the Holley pump for performance. Thanks"

Based on this, I am inclined to believe the NAPA website now, which rates their pump of the same number (and likely also manufactured by Carter, or TRW) as a 23 gallon per hour pump.  I'm sure that the M6109 has the same rating, just with the addition of the vapor return line.

I guess this means it is the Holley/Mr.Gasket or Mallory (yes, they made/make an Olds mechanical fuel pump) or an electric pump and regulator combo for performance Olds applications.

Holley pump is still listed on Summit, part# HLY-12-836, price $54.88
Also, Summit's site lists it under the Mr.Gasket brand now, part# MRG-7709, price $54.88 (sure looks like the same pump to me...)

I have an older Mallory mechanical fuel pump, still in the box, in the garage.  I believe it is rated at 70 gph - maybe I'll give that a try.

Summit still sells the Mallory pump also, under part# MAA-4255, price $68.99

I guess from a price vs performance stance the Holley/Mr.Gasket pump wins, although I have heard of problems with the older Holley pumps cracking at the block interface (which is probably why they switched the pumps over to another of their brand names).  I'm going to try the Mallory pump and see what happens, maybe mount a small electric pusher pump at the rear to assist (and then the might-as-well install 1/2" fuel line from rear to front, etc......)

- -- 

Michael Ecker
Lehigh Acres, Florida
ecker567@comcast.net

1978 Cutlass Supreme - $500 purchase, being slowly fixed up
   (in line for V6-to-403 swap soon, and maybe 200-4R and gears...)

1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - becoming a circle track car
   (bought without title, had Certificate of Destruction so can never
    be re-registered, but will uphold the Oldsmobile name with honor)

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 10:55:32 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: new msd

> I was thinking of the two blue springs
> which put it all in by around 3800 and start it at around 1400. Not sure
> which bushing to use for the amount of total advance though. It came with
a
> 21 degree installed and there is also a 25 and 28 degree. I'm thinking in
> the neighborhood of 38 total and I'm leaning tword the 25 or 21 degree
> bushing with 13 or 17 degrees inital timing since there is no vacume
> advance.


?I use a total mechanical advance of 28° @ 4000 rpm, which starts @ 500 rpm.
With 8° added to the crank (set at 12° initial @ 1000 rpm), total timing is
36° @ 4000 rpm. That's checked by bringing the engine up to 4000 rpm and
looking at the continuous timing strip on the harmonic balancer.

Since your advance won't start until 1400, I would use the 25 degree bushing
with 11 degrees on the crank. If your compression ratio is low enough, you
can go a little more on the crank, or use the 28 degree bushing. I don't
remember your exact compression ratio. The key is to use all the advance
your engine can stand, without ***any*** preignition under any
circumstances.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:15:15 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Fw: Olds and Chevy

- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <parts@partsnjunk2.com>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 11:13 AM
Subject: Olds and Chevy


> Ted @ PartsNjunk2,
>
>
> > Hello Chris,
> >                  The listing was changed immeadiately upon reciept of
your
> > information. Thank you. However, you are no rocket scientist, the
396-427
> > and the later 454 outperformed the land yacht you tout. I think
> > the 302 cars
> > may have also run better times in 68. Unfortunately, all BPO's had weak
> > bottom ends, and could hold no place in competition at the strip.
>
>
> I find your attitudes quite interesting. There were many fine top
> professional drag racers who ran an Olds engine and won, in the late '60s
> and early '70s time frame. However, there is another form of racing that
is
> much more technically challenging, Can-Am road racing. I guess the CRO-SAL
> all aluminum Olds 455 engine used in Can-Am racing in the late '60s and
> early '70s doesn't count, even though that is of the time period in
> question. The CRO-SAL Olds 455 defeated the Chevy 498 and 518 engines
(bored
> and stroked Chevy big blocks) in the straight-a-ways every time. I saw it.
> The CRO-SAL Olds 455 would live at 7500 RPM all the time while the Chevy
498
> and 518 engines would die at 6800 and 6500, respectively.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Milton J. Schick
> President/CEO
> Infinite Space Systems, Inc.
> A Department of Defense and NASA aerospace contractor
> "Where The Stars Are No Limit"
> 4835 N. Valley Park
> Tucson, AZ 85705
> 520-888-1731
> imp@theriver.com
> http://www.infinitespacesystems.com/
>
>

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:06:42 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: Carter fuel pump clarification

That is what I was afraid of. I just got back from napa and they had one
there. it is also the same pump listed for the 403 trans am and several
350's I looked through there book personally. I'm pissed now because summit
has it listed at 120 gph and the guy at napa swears it is the exact same
pump from carter, 23 gph. he says it should be okay for up to around 450
horse made more. My napa guy is pretty good and a local hot rodder himself.
I guess I'm stuck going to electric. I'm at 525 to 550 horse. I just
installed all new stainless lines that I will have to pull out. As far as I
know there is no way to flare stainless line myself, at least all the flare
kits say it won't work on stainless. Anyone know?

Allen Schwartz
A&L Enterprises
mycj@tds.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Ecker" <ecker567@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>; <oldsgmail@spots.ab.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 10:36 AM
Subject: Carter fuel pump clarification


> Here is what Summit has to say about the Carter fuel pumps (rated at 120
> gallons per hour according to their website):
>
> "Hello. The Carter M6108 is considered a stock replacement for the Olds.
They do not offer a high volume pump for your application. You will want to
use the Holley pump for performance. Thanks"
>
> Based on this, I am inclined to believe the NAPA website now, which rates
their pump of the same number (and likely also manufactured by Carter, or
TRW) as a 23 gallon per hour pump.  I'm sure that the M6109 has the same
rating, just with the addition of the vapor return line.
>
> I guess this means it is the Holley/Mr.Gasket or Mallory (yes, they
made/make an Olds mechanical fuel pump) or an electric pump and regulator
combo for performance Olds applications.
>
> Holley pump is still listed on Summit, part# HLY-12-836, price $54.88
> Also, Summit's site lists it under the Mr.Gasket brand now, part#
MRG-7709, price $54.88 (sure looks like the same pump to me...)
>
> I have an older Mallory mechanical fuel pump, still in the box, in the
garage.  I believe it is rated at 70 gph - maybe I'll give that a try.
>
> Summit still sells the Mallory pump also, under part# MAA-4255, price
$68.99
>
> I guess from a price vs performance stance the Holley/Mr.Gasket pump wins,
although I have heard of problems with the older Holley pumps cracking at
the block interface (which is probably why they switched the pumps over to
another of their brand names).  I'm going to try the Mallory pump and see
what happens, maybe mount a small electric pusher pump at the rear to assist
(and then the might-as-well install 1/2" fuel line from rear to front,
etc......)
>
> -- 
>
> Michael Ecker
> Lehigh Acres, Florida
> ecker567@comcast.net
>
> 1978 Cutlass Supreme - $500 purchase, being slowly fixed up
>    (in line for V6-to-403 swap soon, and maybe 200-4R and gears...)
>
> 1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - becoming a circle track car
>    (bought without title, had Certificate of Destruction so can never
>     be re-registered, but will uphold the Oldsmobile name with honor)
>
>

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 15:09:56 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: new msd

You mean to tell me that thunder idles at 500 rpm!  I can't get under 1000
or it will die out in gear, granted my stall converter is still sitting on
my bench where it helps my car a ton.

My compression is 10.6 with aluminum heads.

Allen Schwartz
A&L Enterprises
mycj@tds.net
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From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2004 12:55 PM
Subject: Re: new msd


> > I was thinking of the two blue springs
> > which put it all in by around 3800 and start it at around 1400. Not sure
> > which bushing to use for the amount of total advance though. It came
with
> a
> > 21 degree installed and there is also a 25 and 28 degree. I'm thinking
in
> > the neighborhood of 38 total and I'm leaning tword the 25 or 21 degree
> > bushing with 13 or 17 degrees inital timing since there is no vacume
> > advance.
>
>
> ?I use a total mechanical advance of 28° @ 4000 rpm, which starts @ 500
rpm.
> With 8° added to the crank (set at 12° initial @ 1000 rpm), total timing
is
> 36° @ 4000 rpm. That's checked by bringing the engine up to 4000 rpm and
> looking at the continuous timing strip on the harmonic balancer.
>
> Since your advance won't start until 1400, I would use the 25 degree
bushing
> with 11 degrees on the crank. If your compression ratio is low enough, you
> can go a little more on the crank, or use the 28 degree bushing. I don't
> remember your exact compression ratio. The key is to use all the advance
> your engine can stand, without ***any*** preignition under any
> circumstances.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
>

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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2004 17:41:33 EDT
From: WlJam5@aol.com
Subject: Re: Carter fuel pump clarification

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maybe this willhelp you out and with the quality 8u want..find a swagelock 
distributor. they make all sizes of stainlee steel fittings &compression combos 
&changeovers. you can flare in a splice piece of tubing or mayube a ferrule 
will be  a fit. i am from POLAROID"S R/D engineering group, swagelock is a 
polaroid spec inventoried part . and i have used the fittings on all types of 
tubing ;metals& plasticsin/under psi of 100lbs and many acids,bases and solvents 
from acetone to many volatiles and on all gases--they never fail and standup 
forever, if they work u are in the time & labor.  Good-Luck    "JAY"

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