
oldsmobile-digest        Friday, June 25 2004        Volume 01 : Number 4931



RE: OPG Dealings?
RE: OPG Dealings?
455 oil pump/pan choices?
Re: Eek!  Of Mice and Oldsmobiles....
Re: Hurst shifter rebuilding details? 
Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE RED /BLK
Re: 81 CS sway bars needed
Re: Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE RED /BLK
RE: 81 CS sway bars needed
mouse in car- I should be so lucky
RE: Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE RED /BLK
rear axle breakdown
RE: Hurst shifter rebuilding details?
RE: OPG Dealings?
RE: Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE RED /BLK
Homecoming '04   [-long saga-]
RE: Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE RED /BLK
man seeks 75 442 pcs, 87 hood emblem
Re: NJ to Chicago Parts Transportation / '72 Vista Cruiser for sale
'72 Vista Cruiser for sale:  $1500
Re:  Looking for a trade
IL license plates

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 03:42:44 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: OPG Dealings?

I'd have to agree. Just trying to find weatherstripping for my '70 Post 
Coupe is unbelievably frustrating. They list 7 kits, 4 "original", 3 
"repro", and they all have the same description, but different part 
numbers. Way to be informative.
They don't even list the weatherstripping bits for post coupe's 
separately (door weatherstrip, vent window seal, vertical glass run 
channel and window channel.) It would probably be better if they just 
put a .PDF of the paper catalog online...

krw
On Jun 24, 2004, at 10:05 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 23:14:09 -0400
> From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
> Subject: RE: OPG Dealings?
>
> Really? You like the OPG web site? I hate it. It takes several clicks 
> to
> finally get to the parts you're looking for, and they switch you into 
> secure
> mode for no reason at all, and then you get all these pop-up messages 
> about
> how the page contains both secure and non-secure items and do you want 
> to
> continue. Then you type in a part number from their catalog and it 
> either
> tells you that it can't be found, or finds it seven times, sometimes 
> with a
> picture and sometimes without, sometimes with different prices for the 
> same
> part. Aside from all of that, it's also in frames, so you can't 
> bookmark a
> particular page. It really is lousy from a web site developer's 
> perspective.
>
> John Nasta
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:24:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: RE: OPG Dealings?

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Kevin Wright wrote:
> I'd have to agree. Just trying to find weatherstripping for my '70 Post 
> Coupe is unbelievably frustrating. They list 7 kits, 4 "original", 3 
> "repro", and they all have the same description, but different part 
> numbers. Way to be informative.

Yeah, I have to agree, but the problem isn't unique to them. I've been
trying to find a set of 14" trim rings to fit 14x7 SS1 wheels and you
can't tell what any of these places are selling. OPG shows some described
as "square" and others as "round"... go figure. The only ones you can be
certain of are the ones described as original GM, but I don't want to
spend 4 times $90 each for them. 

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 06:28:09 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: 455 oil pump/pan choices?

Folks,

I'm actually toying with the idea of assembling all the engine parts 
I've had sitting around for the last two years. I wanted to use a 
complete Milodon oil set up  (7 quart oil pan, windage tray, pick up, 
oil pump, and shaft), but I've been informed that the oil pump is no 
longer available. That being the case, can I use all the Milodon bits 
that are available with someone else's pump? I had thought that one 
of the Milodon advantages was that the pick up bolted to the pump and 
wasn't sure how that'd work out with an alternative.

Any recommendations would be greatly appreciated.

John
68 442 convt.

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 08:39:08 -0400
From: Paul White <oldslist@netscape.net>
Subject: Re: Eek!  Of Mice and Oldsmobiles....

LOL,
I think youll be alright. I have dealt with plenty of mice. He probably 
was chilling in there, thinking he had a nice cool hideout he could lay 
up in. Actually you know what? Do you have some rat/mouse poison laying 
around somewhere? Because when mice eat poison they get crazy and crawl 
into anything. One morning I wokeup and had a mouse in my boot *Eeeeeek* 
Another time I wokeup and found a RAT in my shower (another symptom of 
them eating poison is it causes them to get extremely thirsty). I think 
either this mouse was living in the car and when you drove it caused him 
to try to get up outta there...i dont know why he would have died 
though. I could be worng of course, just giving my best guess.

paulbunyan

king_v@mindless.com wrote:

>All,
>
>    Well well . . . I thought it would never happen to me.
>
>    Oh, and to the purists (I tend to occasionally fall in that category), I'm
>not talking smallblock Chevy....
>
>
>    Changed the oil in both my 1972 Olds 98 (the eventual 455 donor) and the
>1979 Cutlass Calais.  Both had oil almost 2 years old.  Both had just under
>200 miles on said oil.
>
>
>    Anyway, drove the Calais around a bit, and the 260 still rides nicely.
>Pings at part throttle when hot, but I've got a vacuum leak to track down.
>One day, I might actually get around to doing it.
>
>    Nothing unusual.
>
>    2 days later, I go into the Calais for some paperwork.  Now the 98 is kept
>outside, but on a concrete driveway.  The Calais in an attached garage.
>
>    Hmm . . odd plastic thing on driver's seat.  Must've fallen off from
>something *sigh* gotta figure out where it goes.
>
>    Pick it up, feels plastic....
>
>    Lighting's not so good, but it's a little odd feeling, very light and
>EEWWWWWW!!!
>
>    Dead mouse.  Very small one, not decaying or anything, but it grossed me
>the heck out nonetheless.
>
>    Ugh, and apparently it left little mousie presents as it died.  Wonderful,
>I get to vacuum up some mouse feces.
>
>    No rot or anything, and seemed sort of, not exactly petrified, but I can't
>think of how else to describe it.  Almost as if it'd been stuffed for the
>mantlepiece, except it's not.  Kinda weird.
>
>    I can't figure how it got in the car.  I know that the seal at the bottom
>of my garage door is slightly torn, so very small animals might get into
>the garage, but I can't for the life of me determine how the mouse actually
>got inside the car itself.
>
>    Now what?  Do I start worrying about hantavirus and such?  Do I look
>somewhere in particular in the car for a nest?
>
>    At the very least, I have an excuse to "have" to drive the car more often
>than I have.
>
>
>    - Joe Vahabzadeh
>
>  
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:13:52 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hurst shifter rebuilding details? 

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In a message dated 6/25/04 12:01:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, 
rocketscience442@hotmail.com writes:

> It seems the 1966 442 could use its shifter refurbished by the factory
> I have heard that Husrt does this for cheap
> Any specifics on how to get this done- url or whatnot?
> 

Chris,
      I have sent several Hurst shifters out to Mark in Carson City and he 
has had every one of them rebuilt perfectly each time-both Dual Gates and manual 
shifters.  I highly recommend this service to anyone experiencing shifting 
problems on their Hurst shifters.
Steve D

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I have heard that Husrt does this for cheap<BR>
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:43:37 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE RED /BLK

>From: <parts@partsnjunk2.com>
>Reply-To: <parts@partsnjunk2.com>
>To: <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: Question from eBay Member: 1968 68  HURST OLDS TRIM TAG  GM 
>NICE RED /BLK INT
>Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:57:52 -0400
>
>Question from eBay Member: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE RED /BLK INT

>Hello,
>     Actually the prototypes were not silver, But this should have been 
>listed as a 442. Sorry, we are not that familar with the slowest GM 
>"Muscle" cars, or "boats" as those are better known. We deal mostly 
>Chevelles and Camaros. However, I drive an all original 57 Buick Special 
>Riviera. And I would not be suprised if it had more "Muscle" than the Olds 
>of the Muscle car era.
>Hope this helps,
>Ted @
>PartsNjunk2
============
Oh, that helps, allright
Helps show your mindset, which just... ain't... right.
Obviously the fumes have gotten to you...
"slowest"
"boats"
Whatever... Sour grapes because no ChevyA-body got a 455 in 1968?
  Just admit it, your ad has a blatant lie, and should be corrected, the 
part has nothing whatsoever to do with a 1968 Hurst/Olds.

Listmembers... give this guy a verbal spanking like he deserves- cc right to 
him:
   parts@partsnjunk2.com
==========================

>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: rocketscience442@hotmail.com
>   To: parts@partsnjunk2.com
>   Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:37 PM
>   Subject: Question from eBay Member: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE 
>RED /BLK INT
>
>
>               Question from eBay Member: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM 
>NICE RED /BLK INT (Item # 2482879669)
>
>               Dear partsnjunk2,
>
>               uhm... since all '68 Hurst/Oldses were Peruvian Silver with 
>a "dash-dash" paint code, and your body plate says otherwise... what's 
>"Hurst" about it? Striving for accuracy and HONESTY here... Chris 
>517-449-0432
>
>               To view the item, go to: 
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/ebayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2482879669

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:52:28 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: 81 CS sway bars needed

John, the mail I wrote you has not appeared, so here we go again:
A year ago You had those bars for 81CS, as we wrote about - don't you stock
them any more?
Sorry to repeat, but I was happy with buys from you hence the idea to
continue the relation...
rgds
Matt

> Many of the bars I sell are from Hellwig. Even if the part numbers start
> with ADDC on my site, it's not necessarily an ADDCO bar. In some cases I
> have changed vendors or a part is available from more than one vendor. For
> the sake of record keeping, I don't change the part numbers on my site
when
> I change vendors. Also the links that have been spidered by the search
> engines would not work any longer if the part number was changed, because
> the p/n is part of the URL (gotta hold onto those search rankings).
>
> Anyway, these sway bars are not exactly rocket science (no pun intended).
My
> guess is that the same thickness bar from either vendor would serve the
> purpose just as well.
>
> John Nasta

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:59:52 EDT
From: Jon442@aol.com
Subject: Re: Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE RED /BLK

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I sent the auction number to eBay, as it could be construed as fraud if that 
body tag were attached to a different car. Don't know that they'll do anything 
about it, though.

Jon Wessel

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:18:27 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: 81 CS sway bars needed

I haven't added or removed any bars from the site. I never carried one for
1981. This is not really a topic for the list.

Thanks,
John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----

John, the mail I wrote you has not appeared, so here we go again:
A year ago You had those bars for 81CS, as we wrote about - don't you stock
them any more?
Sorry to repeat, but I was happy with buys from you hence the idea to
continue the relation...
rgds
Matt

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:18:05 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: mouse in car- I should be so lucky

Well well . . . I thought it would never happen to me.

	2 days later, I go into the Calais for some paperwork.  Now the 98 is kept
outside, but on a concrete driveway.  The Calais in an attached garage.
	Hmm . . odd plastic thing on driver's seat.  Must've fallen off from
something *sigh* gotta figure out where it goes.
	Pick it up, feels plastic....
	Lighting's not so good, but it's a little odd feeling, very light and
EEWWWWWW!!!
	Dead mouse.  Very small one, not decaying or anything, but it grossed me
the heck out nonetheless.
	Ugh, and apparently it left little mousie presents as it died.  Wonderful,
I get to vacuum up some mouse feces.
==============
Lucky you! Gifts, too. Prolly not the mouse's finest day, either, if that's 
any consolation.


	No rot or anything, and seemed sort of, not exactly petrified, but I can't
think of how else to describe it.  Almost as if it'd been stuffed for the
mantlepiece, except it's not.  Kinda weird.
=============
Typical expired mouse. Not weird for them.


	I can't figure how it got in the car.  I know that the seal at the bottom
of my garage door is slightly torn, so very small animals might get into
the garage, but I can't for the life of me determine how the mouse actually
got inside the car itself.
=============
They can get thru a hole the size of a dime. My sister's car had a 
nonfunctional blower fan. Go to replace it, hey, the FAN works just fine... 
after you remove the 3 lbs of mouse nest. They got into the air plenum thru 
a teensy gap in the plastic leaf screen. I evicted them and glued the screen 
shut with silicone. Gap was apparently factory, guess their engineers never 
heard of mice.



	Now what?  Do I start worrying about hantavirus and such?  Do I look
somewhere in particular in the car for a nest?
===============
They like to get up into the headliner and piss all over it. Up thru the A 
and C pillars.
I recall sitting in my 1967 Cutlass carcass one winter, imagining the fun to 
be had driving it next summer after I fit an engine to it, etc.
   "pitter patter" what's that? Huh, you can see the little feet moving 
across the headliner.
   SMACK- squeak!  fast pattering... Frick, pull down the headliner, get all 
the nest and "gifts" outta there. They also like to nest in your seats, in 
the cavity there. Amass a huge qty of your seats' former cushioning 
material.
   PS count your blessings... some of my parts cars have ah, more sizable 
holes, and COONS get in and nest. They shred the seats and leave HUGE gifts. 
Shot on sight. Other burrowing critters are currently living under a 1968 
98, need to get that elevated and get the dog in there after him. I opened 
one car last week and a blur of a brown furry thing went past me and out a 
trunk hole. Chipmunk, I figure. We try to keep most of the squatters out by 
stacking heavy parts over the larger holes, but when you sell a door... 
that's a lot of hole.
   Hantavirus??  I guess that could happen. Then again, you build up your 
body's immune system by exposure, right? :-)  We never worried much about 
that on the farm. Them mice loved to nest in EVERYTHING. Baler toolbox- 
every year, like clockwork. You'd think my uncle woulda put a cover over 
that hole. In the barn, everywhere. Keeps the cats and dogs busy [and kids] 
hunting them.

Maybe you got lucky and just got one lone intruder.
Eliminate all food sources that may be out, dog food for instance.
One guy found that they like to squirrel away their food. In his open torque 
converter. I always cap or stuff an oily rag into any open torque 
converters.
- ----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:22:17 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE RED /BLK

Apparently nobody told him that there is no such thing as one of those
either.

John Nasta

- -----Original Message-----

<snip> I drive an all original 57 Buick Special Riviera. </snip>

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:27:34 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: rear axle breakdown

That cross shaft reminds me a little of what mine looked like in a hot rod I
had, lots of hp, old 8.2 early style 10 bolt chevy... I believe what is
causing that is the spider gears galling the cross shaft, caused by spinning
tires, or getting stuck in the mud and rocking back and forth, basically
overpowering the spiders. What ended up happening in my case was that the
cross shaft finally spun and broke the retaining bolt and the shaft became
airborne out the back of the case.
==========
Very common Chevy trick. I saw one a month working at Chuck's garage. Often, 
the cross shaft comes right out and wipes out the carrier and sometimes the 
case.
   One time, the remainder of the retainer bolt would NOT come out. 
Therefore the shaft will not. This all started to replace a leaky axle SEAL 
by the way. Found the retainer bolt had broken off. No trickery of any of us 
would remove the broken bolt part. Had to POUND the shaft back n forth to 
remove it. Destroyed the carrier in the process. $700 seal replacement. Nice 
job, Chevy engineers. Obviously they ASSumed that the shaft would never have 
any rotational force applied to it. So, they sized the retainer bolt like 
5/16 drive, 5/16 thread, and 1/4" where it passes thru the cross shaft.
   If any of you have this design, REPLACE THE BOLT WITH NEW anytime you 
have it apart.


I believe that it is a flawed design in that when the pin breaks, and it 
does under a certain
overload condition, if it gets jammed in the housing, it can expode your
transmission if cruising down the hiway about 70 mph.
===============
Yeah, a manual trans would not like that AT ALL. I concur, it is really an 
iggernut design flaw.

Seems to me If the engineers would put an inside lock ring and shorten the 
shaft a few thousandths of an inch, the inner retaining lock ring would 
never allow the shaft to pop out.
Comments anyone... Milton???
=================
EXACTLY
Shaft wants to spin? LET IT. Just retain its axial motion.
I guess they last thru the warranty, so therefore any expense of placing 2 
grooves and retainer rings is wasted... in their view. Of course, the 
vehicle ONWER gets stiffed with the repair costs, later. Prolly not the 
original owner anyhow. Screw 'em.
- ----------------------
Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:27:24 -0400
From: Tom Bejma <tomcb@prplastics.com>
Subject: RE: Hurst shifter rebuilding details?

Steve,

Do you have some more information on "Mark in Carson City" (website, email,
etc)?

Thanks,
Tom Bejma
Harrison Twp., MI
[with 1 NOS Dualgate from a 1969 Torqueflight and 1 aftermarket style early
70's Dualgate needing a freshening]

- -----Original Message-----
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com [mailto:NUOLDSMAN@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, June 25, 2004 9:14 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Hurst shifter rebuilding details?


In a message dated 6/25/04 12:01:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
rocketscience442@hotmail.com writes:


It seems the 1966 442 could use its shifter refurbished by the factory
I have heard that Husrt does this for cheap
Any specifics on how to get this done- url or whatnot?



Chris,
      I have sent several Hurst shifters out to Mark in Carson City and he
has had every one of them rebuilt perfectly each time-both Dual Gates and
manual shifters.  I highly recommend this service to anyone experiencing
shifting problems on their Hurst shifters.
Steve D 

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:25:56 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: OPG Dealings?

What they mean is the little "ledge" on the outermost part of the ring,
where it wraps around the lip of the wheel. It's either rounded off, or a
straight drop (square).

John Nasta



- -----Original Message-----

<snip>trying to find a set of 14" trim rings to fit 14x7 SS1 wheels and you
can't tell what any of these places are selling. OPG shows some described
as "square" and others as "round"... go figure. </snip>

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:41:36 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE RED /BLK

Actually, I could be wrong. A quick Google search shows that lots of people
claim to have a 1957 Riviera. I looked at pictures though and none of them
actually say Riviera on them anywhere that I could see. My GM body style
chart does not show any Riviera until the 1960s.

It may be one of those common mistakes. For instance, you would be surprised
how many Olds Ninety Eight owners call their car a Regency. The insurance
policy for my 68 98 convertible said Regency on it. Go figure. I called them
and explained that there was no such thing as a Ninety Eight Regency in
1968, and I don't think there ever was a Regency convertible, but they
didn't want to change it. They said it didn't matter. I assume what they
mean by "matter" is "effect the premium".


- -----Original Message-----

Apparently nobody told him that there is no such thing as one of those
either.

John Nasta

- -----Original Message-----

<snip> I drive an all original 57 Buick Special Riviera. </snip>

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:55:57 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Homecoming '04   [-long saga-]

Finally get a chance to sit down and write a little about it...

What a day, what an experience...

Kinda chilly, I am wearing my special "Ultimate 1966 442 Restoration / 
Rocket Science" jacket that the other feller on the project had made up...

I was vacillating about selling stuff or not, JUST finished the 66 442 about 
Thrusday. Show is on Saturday. No helper to be found. Well, I traditionally 
start loading the trailer the nite before anyhow... and did just get two 
nice fresh 350 nodular cranks in... might as well vend. Borrow trailer 
Friday, commence to loading. Out to the farm, no brother, no help, just me. 
Good, Swap Meet Light this year. [Dang, ridiculously MILD weather- should 
have loaded the trailer to the gills this yea, if ever].

fist swap and Homecoming show since... you know.... The Demise
Significance of that was initially lost on me.

I spent all my time with sales and buying stuff. No helper to watch the 
stuff... Oh well, Olds folks is honest folks. Hardly any time for being at 
_the car_, to see, compare to others, to hear comments on the detail work... 
I did notice two other Tri-Carb vehicles, one was apparently a real W30, had 
the full on air cleaner and all. The other was, ah, shall we say, sporting a 
tri-carb setup, but without numerous details such as the correct bellcrank 
at the firewall, to open the carbs all the way

Back at the swap meet... I arrived, got trailer parked, came back and before 
even starting to unpack,  saw the man of engines and parts. Stroll on over, 
blue engine... heads... F heads! Cool, casting # looks familiar..... too 
familiar. Ayep. F's... made from E's. Still, not a bad job, and in good 
serviceable condition. Bought 'em.

Unpack a bit, get table set up, fliers out for folks to take and see what 
sort of things I do or offer,  and the list that folks can write on what 
they want me to look for. Go shopping. Find a man with misc. in a box. Red 
spring ring battery cables. Huhm, what's this, fiber guide tube in place. 
What's THIS... correct-for-Manual-Trans BRACKET that holds the fiber tube to 
the head!?! I spent DAYS getting this part just right on the 1966 442 that 
was just finished. Here it is, new, correct GM part. WITH red correct cable. 
Yeeeee-hah. Bought all of them. So far so good. No sales, who cares?

Lots more folks here by now, guys next door getting a LOT of stuff set out, 
pretty cool stuff too.

"Chris?"

Huh, yeah? No kidding, right next door, the two guys with the huge trailer 
of stuff... is James and Chris, who are bringing me not one, but two, 
engines!  What luck! Meet up, make plans to transfer the engines and his MT 
setup later that day... No serious sales or inquiries... might as well... go 
shopping again!

I see THE CAR drive in, go to get a pic of it driving. How cool, it still 
bears its California license plate on the front. We even found two of the 
teensy LPlate replicas that you used to keep on your key ring, in case the 
keys got lost, finder drops in a mailbox, they find their way back to you. 
OK, few quick pix of the real 66 W30 nearby, details that might be handy 
later. Back to the swap area. Still no sales or inquiries, might as well... 
go shopping, eh?

What's this? Max Hineman has a "girl" sculpture, how cute. Hey, wait, the 
whole thing is made out of OLDSMOBILE PARTS. No kidding. The blonde hair is 
a timing chain cut open and draped over a face of timing sprocket. Got a 
photo, but I think the camera ate that disk... bummer.

Hah, the Toro man has RELAYS in a box. Some are NEW. Aha, the elusive Horn 
Relay for -my car- ! or is it? Dirt cheap, should just buy it anyhow. He 
says, go look at the cars. Duh. Off I go. Look at a few '68's. YES, it's 
exactly right. Priced right at $3, too. Bought about 6 various relays from 
him. Only one of that exact type. Killer score to add to the car's Someday 
Stash.

Among the other items found on various tables and in boxes- Brand new NOS 
big block nylon cam sprocket. 3 or 4 NOS correct stainless capped lugnuts. 
Numerous little odds and ends.

Did finally sell a few things, '69 air cleaner, #5 heads, enough to cover 
what I bought. 1950's convertible man having trouble, go over to see if I 
can help. His alternator mount bolt broke off. I have an alt bracket kit, 
with bolts, offer that... needs spacers. He ends up using another guy's bolt 
instead. Meanwhile, a guy strolls by with a complete tri-carb setup... for 
the 50's cars. After convert owner decides not to buy, I make an offer, it's 
accepted. See that on ebay right now:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2482839340&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT

She's very complete, sports Ford 3-bolt carbs, and apparently fits only the 
first gen Rocket engines '49 thru '53.

The worst moment of the day? Man that sold me the intake related this story- 
he had offered me a '03 curved dash a month or three ago. I did not have the 
$1500. He recently drove by my house with it on a trailer, was going to 
offer it to me for $500, but could not stop in that day. :-(
Sold it soon thereafer. DAMMIT DAMMIT DAMMIT.

End of the festivities, I heard the auction, sort or, and heard the awards, 
sort of, heard the 66 w30 get an award, not sure if THE CAR got anything. 
Pack up the trailer, head out, run an errand on the way home, get home to do 
the engines transfer.

Soon thereafter James and Chris roll up, we get the engines out of their 
trailer and into my collection. Go out to the store. Grab a seis of 
cervezas... head home, the long way. I let each of them drive, Chris says he 
wants to feel what the 4.33's are like. Cool. Along the way we meet up with 
a 1968? Buick. Sounds TOUGH, you know, flowmasters and Hugh Jass cam. Says 
GS and Stage 1 on the fender. Driver comes up alongside the GS- I forget it 
it was James or Chris. We get a brief run in, thru 1st gear. The Buick walks 
away from us. I have no rowdy cam or hop-up stuff, just a grocery getter 
1967 425. I guess "GS" stands for "Good Spanking", that's what you get if 
you challenge that car. I thought it was "Grampa's Special" before- sleeper 
muscle car- not much to indicate rude levels of torque.

Back to the house, consume the brewskis while surveying the quagmire of 
parts in the garage. Chris looks over the '68 very closely, looking for the 
fabled "W30" written on the inside of the front fenders... no proof that my 
front fenders are original though, and I -know- the RH one is not, because 
it's a 1969 fender. Share stories and such, but they have a long drive ahead 
of them, and so Chris and James must depart...

I get in the house to find the wife has discovered for me a nifty Father's 
day thing at the swap meet- Hot wheels booklet on muscle cars, with an OLDS 
toy car attached to it in a bubble pack. And, to make matters better... she 
taped the 6:00 news.

Being the first show since THE DEMISE, the news crews were there. Guess what 
car the reporter did the spot from the driver's seat of?

uh-huh... THE CAR. Featured _the_ 66 442 and a 53 blue convertible 
prominently. Shot of the 3x2 engine revving, etc. I thought they were rather 
superficial and not at all technical, of course, but with a 1-2 minute spot, 
what can you do? Their angle was that although Olds is not producing cars 
anymore, there are PLENTY of Oldsmobile enthusiasts left. There was a fairly 
good interview with Joe, the other guy that did most of the work on the car.

All things considered... It was a great day

C ya next year.
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 14:55:56 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: RE: Reply from  ebay wizard re: 1968 68 HURST OLDS TRIM TAG GM NICE RED /BLK

> Apparently nobody told him that there is no such thing as one of those
> either.
> 
> John Nasta
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
> <snip> I drive an all original 57 Buick Special Riviera. </snip>

Well, John, Riviera (pre-'63) was Buick-speak for a pillarless hardtop.  Like an
Olds Holiday.

Paul

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 11:10:50 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: man seeks 75 442 pcs, 87 hood emblem

NOT FOR ME

Contact him directly if you can help

Randy
517-402-5116

Seeks
1975 442: LH door panel, 442 numerals.
1987 Cutlass [442? ask him...] HOOD EMBLEM

If you can help, please call him
do not email me
do not call me
'just talk to Randy...

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:34:55 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Re: NJ to Chicago Parts Transportation / '72 Vista Cruiser for sale

Randy,

That hasn't been ruled out!!  Wish I could take all the parts,  If any one
between Chicago and NJ wants the Vista,  I might be able to haul it East.

Thanks,  Steve


If Gene is willing to crate it and run to the airport, I'd give Forward Air
a shout for a quote.

I sent a 300lb rear from Philly to Dallas for $100 last year. You're looking
at 6-700 lbs and half the distance.....$150 maybe?

Ont he other hand...it's what...only about a 12 hour run to A.C. from
Chicago. A weekend vacation.....you'll probably come home with more of
Gene's parts too.

Randy

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 10:48:45 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: '72 Vista Cruiser for sale:  $1500

A more direct answer to Dave Question:  $1500.00 Buys it (w/o the spare parts)

Steve K.
________________________________

How much for the vista cruiser?

>
>
>
>
> Hello List,
>
> 1)  I puchased an engine and transmission from Gene in th Atlantic
City, NJ
> area.  I need to get transport this stuff to the Chicago area.  The
engine is on
> a rolling dolly.  Anybody with room to spare making this trip anytime
in the
> near future?
>
> 2)  For Sale:  1972 Vista Cruiser,  Complete.
>
> 455 4bbl, with Holley carb I have a correct carb to be installed
> Dual Exhaust, Original exhaust manifolds,
> Disc Brakes
> P/B, P/S, P/W, PDL
> Body/ Interior Fair, only major rust in spare wheel well area, have
original
> replacement of this section,
> Some rust through around the roof glass.
> Runs, Drives -  Haven't started it this year, though.
> Located in Chicago area.
>
> Any leads for either would be appreciated!
>
> Thanks,  Steve K.
>
> I apologize in advance for the spamesque content.
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:16:00 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Re:  Looking for a trade

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Vinny wrote:

Hey all,

   I am looking to trade my 1984 Grady White 22' Seafarer  for a Oldsmobile
anything interesting.

Vinny


Now you are talkin' sensibly Vinny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


JV 
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 09:18:05 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: IL license plates

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Since I'm planning to put the W-31 on the road at the end of next month, I need to transfer the title back to IL and get a personalized/vanity plate.  The car will be driven to shows, cruises, rare trip to work, but most importantly it'll be driven 1/4 mile at a time.  That means I'm running it on the drag strip.  While I do like some things with IL vs IN (where I used to live) the personalized/vanity plate rules SUCK.  I used to run "1969 W31" as a personalized IN plate.  This is exactly what I wanted, actually second choice since "69 W31" was too close to how regular IN plates are.  So now, since I can't intermix numbers and letters I have to figure out something else.  I've come up with about a handful of ideas, but I thought maybe some of the sharp minds here would have some ideas.  Here our mine, I guess in order of preference.
"W31"
"OAI"
"69 OAI"
"I B STOCK"   <-- I like this once since I'm racing in the Pure Stock Drags
"W THRTY 1"
"RAM AIR"
 
I tried to come up with things along the lines of w machine, ram rod 350 or OAI 4 69, but nothing I really liked.  I also can't have spaces between numbers (those bastards).
 
I'm VERY MUCH in favor of a personalized plate since the cost is $47 vs $94 for a vanity plate.  The big difference being a number has to be included.
 
I'm also toying with the idea of an antique vehicle plate, which can also be personalized.  And the price for that is $6!!!!!!  But I'm restricted in how, when and where I can drive the car.  I guess that rare time I do drive it to work and possibly get pulled over (ah gee, officer, I couldn't have been doing 90 in a 55, this car doesn't look fast enough for that)  I can always say I was out getting gas.  I mean running 4.33 gears is not mpg friendly.
 
So, anyone have any witty sayings or ideas?
 
Thanks,
Chris Smetana
grp442@yahoo.com
 
1969 Cutlass S W-31  sitting with expired IN plates reading "1969 W31"

		
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<DIV>Since I'm planning to put the W-31 on the road at the end of next month, I need to transfer the title back to IL and get a personalized/vanity plate.&nbsp; The car will be driven to shows, cruises, rare trip to work, but most importantly it'll be driven 1/4 mile at a time.&nbsp; That means I'm running it on the drag strip.&nbsp; While I do like some things with IL vs IN (where I used to live) the personalized/vanity plate rules SUCK.&nbsp; I used to run "1969 W31" as a personalized IN plate.&nbsp; This is exactly what I wanted, actually second choice since "69 W31" was too close to how regular IN plates are.&nbsp; So now, since I can't intermix numbers and letters I have to figure out something else.&nbsp; I've come up with about a handful of ideas, but I thought maybe some of the sharp minds here would have some ideas.&nbsp; Here our mine, I guess in order of preference.</DIV>
<DIV>"W31"</DIV>
<DIV>"OAI"</DIV>
<DIV>"69 OAI"</DIV>
<DIV>"I B STOCK"&nbsp;&nbsp; &lt;-- I like this once since I'm racing in the Pure Stock Drags</DIV>
<DIV>"W THRTY 1"</DIV>
<DIV>"RAM AIR"</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I tried to come up with things along the lines of w machine, ram rod 350 or OAI 4 69, but nothing I really liked.&nbsp; I also can't have spaces between numbers (those bastards).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I'm VERY MUCH in favor of a personalized plate since the cost is $47 vs $94 for a&nbsp;vanity plate.&nbsp; The big difference being a number has to be included.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I'm also toying with the idea of an antique vehicle plate, which can also be personalized.&nbsp; And the price for that is $6!!!!!!&nbsp; But I'm restricted in how, when and where I can drive the car.&nbsp; I guess that rare time I do drive it to work and possibly get pulled over (ah gee, officer, I couldn't have been doing 90 in a 55, this car doesn't look fast enough for that)&nbsp; I can always say I was out getting gas.&nbsp; I mean running 4.33 gears is not&nbsp;mpg friendly.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>So, anyone have any witty sayings or ideas?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV>Chris Smetana</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:grp442@yahoo.com">grp442@yahoo.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1969 Cutlass S W-31&nbsp; sitting with expired IN plates reading "1969 W31"</DIV><p>
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