
oldsmobile-digest       Saturday, June 19 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4924



1988 Cutlass Pace Car Convertable..... (fwd)
Re: brake line rust prevention, and in general
Re: 468 in the 81 CS...
Re: brake line rust prevention, and in general
1964 Cutlass and parts collection for sale in NJ
Re: 1964 Cutlass and parts collection for sale in NJ
Re: 1964 Cutlass and parts collection for sale in NJ
Re: brake line rust prevention, and in general
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Olds show
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
chicago auto parts
RE: chicago auto parts
RE: Carter Fuel Pumps
Re: 468 in the 81 CS...
RE: Carter Fuel Pumps
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: 468 in the 81 CS...
Re: Carter Fuel Pumps
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
nos reproductions

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:25:46 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: 1988 Cutlass Pace Car Convertable..... (fwd)

Not on the list, respond to VictoryNutrition@aol.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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From: VictoryNutrition@aol.com
Subject: 1988 Cutlass Pace Car Convertable.....

I represent a family in possession of a 1988 Oldsmobile Cutlass Pace Car  
Convertable REPLICA.
 
it is one of the 50 original built by GM and modified by Cars and  Concepts.
 
QUESTION:  Do you know of any other converable replicas in  existance?  How 
about any of the 200 coupe replicas?
 
Your time, assistance, and knowledge are appreciated.
 
Paul Knobloch

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:02:52 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: brake line rust prevention, and in general

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In a message dated 6/17/2004 11:03:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
bcroe@juno.com writes:

totally  agree with greasing the fittings.  But after 10 years 
driving (my  interval for brake hoses) here in the land of snow 
and salt (Chicago), and  perhaps 120,000 miles, it just isn't 
enough by itself.   



Try spraying the undercarriage of your car with motor oil, then driving  down 
a dusty dirt road. The dirt will adhere to the underside of the car  and 
protect it from salt during the winter. Come spring,  just pressure wash it off.
 
 
Bruce
75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92  Eldo

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 15:59:43 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: 468 in the 81 CS...

Thanks Igor
I'm using the Ed Performer and a stock Qjet  - later I will go to a JET made
Qjet Stage II - looks fine on the paper for 340 usd...
Are there different drop bases to chose from? I have now about 2 1/3 " above
the carb... I'm thinking about a remote filter, maybe a conic one, close to
the rad... but for the air flow to the carb, the normal one should be
better.
Now, guys, how wonderfull it feels ot the primary side of Qjet! Whaw! A real
sport car this nice 81CS!
I will not open the secondarys before the next 500 miles are made... new
engina and old gearbox, I better waite same time before going crazy with
those 500 lbs of torque... :-)))))))))))
rgds
Matt
> Are you using the stock intake or a performer?  What carb?
>
> I have put a 455 into a couple of G-bodies with a stock intake, Q-jet, and
a
> drop base air filter with a 3" element, and it worked ok.  Should work for
> you.
> > I have used a bottom half air cleaner from an early Toronado.
> > These sat extra low on the carb; let me put a 4" diesel air
> > cleaner were a 3" used to be.  But with a high rise intake,
> > this may not be enough.  I have a 403 in an 81 Cutlass.
> >
> >      Bruce Roe
> > >
> > > Hi guys,
> > > The 468 is in, but the hood is in conflict with the air filter...
> > > anybody has solved already this problem? I mean a 455
> > > in 81CS originally equipped with a 260ci? TIA!
> > > Matt
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 16:19:50 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: brake line rust prevention, and in general

At Friday, 18 June 2004, you wrote:
>Try spraying the undercarriage of your car with motor oil, then 
>driving down a dusty dirt road. The dirt will adhere to the 
>underside of the car and protect it from salt during the winter. 
>Come spring, just pressure wash it off.

I took my '84 Elky for an estimate to replace the rear frame rails.
I asked them what they'd recommend to protect the frame and undercarriage 
and they said auto tranny fluid. Nothing else sticks around like 
tranny fluid, they said. Outlives even POR-15, was the claim.  ;o|

I gotta admit tranny fluid sprayed all over my floorpans from leaking 
seals does seem to keep them from corroding.

SteveH



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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:11:56 -0400
From: Gene Gatti <64f-85@comcast.net>
Subject: 1964 Cutlass and parts collection for sale in NJ

Hi Guys,
      I'm getting desperate to move this stuff out of my garage and have 
decided to lower the price to $1200. Believe me, I'm taking a beating at 
that price but just don't care anymore. I really don't want to bother 
with ebaying this collection or selling individually. I'd rather have 
somebody come over to my house near Atlantic City with a big truck and 
load it all up in one shot. I have a car trailer and could deliver the 
car within 50 miles or so. Here's the story:

I sold my nice '64 Cutlass and want to liquidate the '64 Cutlass project 
car and all the parts and engines that i have accumulated over the 
years.  I'm asking $1200 for everything and I'm positive that a 
motivated seller could easily triple their investment on resale. Here's 
a list that I threw together which is probably incomplete. I have a ton 
of stuff.  If anybody is interested please let me know. I'm located near 
Atlantic City, NJ and you'd have to pick up these items at my residence.

'64 Cutlass Hardtop with some rust on the quarters, floors and other 
usual places. Decent black interior with later bucket seats. Needs a 
complete restoration however there is nearly enough parts to complete 
this car.
1970 350 engine that ran decent. All cylinders blew 200psi except #1 
which was 100psi.
1968 455 marine engine- disassembled, rusty bores, small valve C-heads.
1968 455 Toronado engine, complete, ran when pulled though was noisy. 
Includes custom engine cart.
'64 Cutlass Rust free front fenders
'64 Cutlass Hood with minimal rust on front edge behind molding.
'64 Cutlass dash assembly, complete except has butchered wiring harness.
Set of big valve C-heads in used condition but look decent.
Lunati Bracketmaster cam and lifters that I bought from Reverend Ed off 
the Olds list.
Holley Street Dominator intake for small block Olds.
455 stick flywheel.
Olds Bellhousing
Rear sway bars
Set of 4 rally II rims with bolt on caps.
'64 Cutlass bumper cores.
NOS Moog drag link for 64-66 F-85 and other A-bodies w/ 7/8" diameter.
X and W exhaust manifolds
GM CB radio
Delco AM/FM/8-Track radio
Several AM radios for '64, '65 and 'maybe '68 or so.
Numerous trim pieces mostly for 1964 Cutlass.
Headlight doors and tail panel for '64 Cutlass
1964 Deluxe Hubcaps
Numerous new turkey tray intake gaskets for big and small Olds V-8's
Complete A/C system for '64 or '65 Cutlass
Several Air Cleaners
Starters, alternators, brackets, etc.
Used headers for '64 to '67 small block Cutlass.
A couple radiators.
Several NOS and used accessory items such as E-Brake indicator lamp for 
'64 and '65 Olds, flare-stat assembly, trunk and hood lights, turn 
signal switch, ignition switch, etc.
I'm sure there is more stuff, I just can't remember it all .

Please help me  :-)
Gene
64f-85@comcast.net

>

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:01:03 EDT
From: Tremendous442@aol.com
Subject: Re: 1964 Cutlass and parts collection for sale in NJ

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dont suppose one of those air cleaners is a 64 442 piece. I am dreamin I 
know, but my is missing that piece.

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:12:19 -0400
From: Gene Gatti <64f-85@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 1964 Cutlass and parts collection for sale in NJ

Hi,
    Sorry, no 442 air cleaners.
Thanks,
Gene

Tremendous442@aol.com wrote:

> dont suppose one of those air cleaners is a 64 442 piece. I am dreamin 
> I know, but my is missing that piece.

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 20:22:16 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: brake line rust prevention, and in general

Bruce,
That is a common practice here in NH, the problem is, once the undercarriage
is sprayed with oil (we use 50 wt.) that if the car is not completely dry
underneath, it traps moisture and the end result is the water is allowed to
build pockets of rust along the frame rails. I've seen some guys spray
everything and the car leaves smoking for a 1/4 mile.

The next day, the customer is coming back saying " what ever you did my car
is burning oil now".

It does work, and is very worth while, and worth the $$. in most cases it
needs to be done wiyh a completely dry undercarriage.
My .02 cents
Pat Swanton.




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From: <JonKrisInc@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: brake line rust prevention, and in general


>
> In a message dated 6/17/2004 11:03:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
> bcroe@juno.com writes:
>
> totally  agree with greasing the fittings.  But after 10 years
> driving (my  interval for brake hoses) here in the land of snow
> and salt (Chicago), and  perhaps 120,000 miles, it just isn't
> enough by itself.
>
>
>
> Try spraying the undercarriage of your car with motor oil, then driving
down
> a dusty dirt road. The dirt will adhere to the underside of the car  and
> protect it from salt during the winter. Come spring,  just pressure wash
it off.
>
>
> Bruce
> 75  Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
> 72 Cutlass Conv.
> 56 190 SL Conv.
> 92  Eldo
>

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 18:16:09 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

One other thing I forgot....

Try different fuels. I've seen as much as a 10% improvement all around in mileage by switching fuel.

Don't get suckered by octane ratings either. Buying fuel based on Octane is equivalent to buying a car on HP ratings
alone and thinking you'll win at the races....I don't think so.

I get a 4 mpg improvement, both hwy and city, on my Pontiac by running Shell Optimax (91 Octane rating). The manual
recommends 89 Octane. The"experts" (self proclaimed and usually ill advised) will tell you there is no benefit to buying
the more expensive fuel. Is 91 octane required?....no, but it pays for itself at this rate plus you have the added
benefit of the cleaning additives, etc. My Pontiac also showed a 15% improvement (measured) in HP on this fuel.

Hmmm....the experts said there would be no benefit ???

My Oldsmobile runs stronger and gets a 3 mpg improvement on this fuel in comparason to the 94 Octane I used to HAVE to
run. It didn't Idle nearly as smooth or charge as hard on 94 as it does with the 91. Other 91 Octane fuels barely keep
it idling, and it will ping under load at light throttle.

But Like I said...there is way more to it than just Octane rating, so don't be afraid to experiment.

Kevin

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:06:58 EDT
From: SSpuehler@aol.com
Subject: Olds show

Can anyone give me directions to the olds show from Flint Mich?

If so e-mail me at SSpuehler@aol.com.
TIA.

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 00:14:31 -0400
From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

This idea with different brand of fuels could be good to investigate. It is
not easy, anyway, as I have not exactly the same pattern of driving from one
tank to the next.
Down here we have only 93-95-97 octans fuels, the 468 engine used the Shell
93 now, no pinging with 10.5CR for the time. I think it runs rather rich. I
took her to a small 90mph - at 2100rpm, very little gas and a wonderfull
feelling, that she could do so much more - this was with the TC locked...
the 2.28 gears after the 260ci are so strange ... the other CS has 3.73  and
3200 converter.
Well - I will sleep very happy today.
Other thing - the 468 running rich runs at lower temperature than the 260
with lean mixture! Ha! Nice demonstration of the lean temperaure factor. The
260 was always too hot in the city, close to 200F, this bigger engine runs
180 fixed
rgds
Matt

> Try different fuels. I've seen as much as a 10% improvement all around in
mileage by switching fuel.
>
> Don't get suckered by octane ratings either. Buying fuel based on Octane
is equivalent to buying a car on HP ratings
> alone and thinking you'll win at the races....I don't think so.
>
> I get a 4 mpg improvement, both hwy and city, on my Pontiac by running
Shell Optimax (91 Octane rating). The manual
> recommends 89 Octane. The"experts" (self proclaimed and usually ill
advised) will tell you there is no benefit to buying
> the more expensive fuel. Is 91 octane required?....no, but it pays for
itself at this rate plus you have the added
> benefit of the cleaning additives, etc. My Pontiac also showed a 15%
improvement (measured) in HP on this fuel.
>
> Hmmm....the experts said there would be no benefit ???
>
> My Oldsmobile runs stronger and gets a 3 mpg improvement on this fuel in
comparason to the 94 Octane I used to HAVE to
> run. It didn't Idle nearly as smooth or charge as hard on 94 as it does
with the 91. Other 91 Octane fuels barely keep
> it idling, and it will ping under load at light throttle.
>
> But Like I said...there is way more to it than just Octane rating, so
don't be afraid to experiment.
>
> Kevin
>
>

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:38:27 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

Pat,

> I was born with my right foot a 1/2 size bigger than my left.....
> That would explain why I gave up worrying about gas mileage.
> When in doubt punch it!


Right! I've driven out of many more bad situations that way as opposed to
being too cauious. Often if one waits, the other fellow has time to mess up
big time, and completely compromise your position. However, if there's a
hole, and one knows their abilities and limitations, and those of their
vehicle, I'll vote to dive through the hole.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 06:32:49 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: chicago auto parts

Hi everyone
    Anyone have a URL or an e-mail address for Chicago Auto parts? I 
have bought from them before they have lots of NOS stuff. I'd settle for 
a phone number.
thanks
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 06:57:09 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: chicago auto parts

partssupply@chgoautopts.com


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    Anyone have a URL or an e-mail address for Chicago Auto parts?

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:20:14 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Carter Fuel Pumps

"Just so you know for the future, that same Carter pump is available at 
your local NAPA store. No waiting for the UPS man and no shipping charges."

Just checked NAPA Online site - M6108 (without return line fitting) 
lists for $16.99, and M6109 (with return line fitting) lists for $28.99

Both are listed as "ship within 24 hours", so may not be a stocked item 
at your local NAPA store but they should be able to have it next 
business day.

I think I'll drop by NAPA today and see about a M6108 - $8 cheaper than 
Summit's price.

Are we SURE these are the same 120 gph Carter pumps, or are they 
possibly a NAPA copy?

Michael Ecker

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:36:46 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: 468 in the 81 CS...

Matt, I think your problem is using the 455 engine side mounts with the 
small block frame side mounts.  Check the Olds FAQ - using mismatched 
combinations of mounts can raise or lower an Olds engine about 1" - I 
think if you buy the 260 engine side mounts that match the car then 
everything should drop that much, giving you room to run a drop-base air 
cleaner with a 2.5" or 3" element.

Good luck,

Muichael Ecker

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 08:44:23 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Carter Fuel Pumps

"I think I'll drop by NAPA today and see about a M6108 - $8 cheaper than 
Summit's price.
Are we SURE these are the same 120 gph Carter pumps, or are they 
possibly a NAPA copy?"

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Took another look at NAPA's website - WTF?????

They have their replacement M6108 (both the "standard" and "tru-flow" versions) and the M6109 rated as 23 gph pumps!

The Carter pumps are listed as being 120 gph, and even the crappy Holley pumps are 80 gph!

I guess I just answered my own question, and the question about why I usually shop from Summit rather than the local NAPA store!

HTH someone else on the list - beware of NAPA!

Michael Ecker

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:13:56 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

At 12:14 AM 6/19/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Other thing - the 468 running rich runs at lower temperature than the 260
>with lean mixture! Ha! Nice demonstration of the lean temperaure factor. The
>260 was always too hot in the city, close to 200F, this bigger engine runs
>180 fixed

What did you do about the radiator, is it the same one?

SteveH

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:33:15 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

> I think I did it.  I believe I got 26.9 MPIG with a Carborated 455
> Olds.   Highway mostly of course.  I'm curious:

Ya, me too. Coasting downhill maybe. How'd you measure this, and is it
repeatable?

drc

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:39:36 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

> Try different fuels. I've seen as much as a 10% improvement all around in
mileage by switching fuel.
> benefit of the cleaning additives, etc. My Pontiac also showed a 15%
improvement (measured) in HP on this fuel.
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You do realize that there's no difference between fuels at the refineries.
The pipelines that run across the nation are all hooked together and carry
all brands at the same time. Additives are put into the gas at the last
minute, literally as the delivery truck is being filled. I'm impressed that
you see that much difference.

drc

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 13:34:39 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 468 in the 81 CS...

At 08:36 AM 6/19/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Matt, I think your problem is using the 455 engine side mounts with the 
>small block frame side mounts.  Check the Olds FAQ - using mismatched 
>combinations of mounts can raise or lower an Olds engine about 1" - I 
>think if you buy the 260 engine side mounts that match the car then 
>everything should drop that much, giving you room to run a drop-base air 
>cleaner with a 2.5" or 3" element.

Here's the real skinny:
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/Tech/Mounts.html

Basically, one should use both small-block frame and engine mounts, or both
big-block frame and engine. Using big-block frame or mount with small-block
mount or frame is what makes the block sit too high or too low.

SteveH

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:29:10 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Carter Fuel Pumps

Michael,

> Are we SURE these are the same 120 gph Carter pumps, or are they
> possibly a NAPA copy?


NAPA doesn't manufacture fuel pumps. There are only about half a dozen
commercial fuel pump manufacturers in the US. They make all the fuel pumps
for everyone. Carter is one of the oldest.

Remember, it does take more engine power to run the 120 GPH or the 176 GPH
(Chevy - Ford only) Carter mechanical fuel pump than that required for the
stock mechanical fuel pump. The more flow, the more work required, the more
engine power required to run the pump off the front of the camshaft, and the
more load that is on the front of the camshaft and the front cam bearing.
How much more power, I don't know.

I guess Carter got off their butt and produced a 120 GPH mechanical fuel
pump for an Olds in the past few years. My 1994 Carter fuel pump catalog
showed all Chevys, Fords, and Pontiacs, but it didn't show an Olds. The
catalog also showed 2 different 120 GPH mechanical fuel pumps. The standard
pump produced 6 psi pressure and the special race pump produced 8 psi. 7 psi
is usually maximum for carbs without using a regulator, so be careful that
you have the 6 psi pump, unless you use a fuel regulator anyway.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 09:17:50 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

> You do realize that there's no difference between fuels at the refineries.
> The pipelines that run across the nation are all hooked together and carry
> all brands at the same time. Additives are put into the gas at the last
> minute, literally as the delivery truck is being filled. I'm impressed that
> you see that much difference.

I always thought the pipelines carried the crude oil to the refineries and it is manufactured and trucked from there
onward.
I do know that in Prince George, while dropping off a resume at the Husky refinery, I noticed both an Esso and Chevron
truck filling up off the same Tank. The forklift driver explained to me what you just did about additives being added on
site.

But regardless of where the chemicals are added, the chemical blend and properties of the fuel remain changed from that
point onward. Throw a can of 104+ into a cheap fuel (of course this is done even later at the time your putting it in
your tank) and look at the difference it makes.

Like I said though, there is more to a fuel than octane. When I took my engineering courses I learned that a fuels
energy is based on it's latent heat rating. I'm no expert here, as it only came up in a brief explanation of the
Horsepower Formula but I do recall that even though Propane averages around 110 octane, we need to run it richer (around
12.3:1 as opposed to 14.5:1 for gas) in order to make the same power. Octane is simply resistance to knock and yes, any
more than what is necessary supposedly slows flame propagation and reduces the power (heat) transferred to the top of
the piston in the time available through it's cycle.

Like I said though, they are reluctant to let the public know the difference. Perhaps it is because the average Joe (who
likely doesn't give a thought to any of it as he puts the cheapest fuel he can find into the family mini van) doesn't
really care. For a guy like me however, I do. My cars have always ran faster than people would have guessed and gotten
good mileage at the same time. I've tried and documented numerous widgets and formed my opinions on knowledge and
personal experience.

I know I've seen someone on the list who is with the Society of Petroleum Engineers. Could you elaborate in layman's
terms here, or direct me to a link that would explain the different ways the chemicals and their flame properties effect
engine power? I'd love to learn more in this area

Kevin .

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 10:02:55 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

> I always thought the pipelines carried the crude oil to the refineries and
it is manufactured and trucked from there
> onward.


No. Generally, gasoline is pumped to distribution points from the refinery
via pipeline. There is a major underground pipeline from the refinery in El
Paso, TX, that runs through New Mexico and up to termination in Phoenix,
through Tucson, in Arizona. That underground pipeline is about one mile west
of my home. Distribution points for tanker trucks are located in all major
cities along the way. There is another gasoline pipeline running from a
refinery complex in California to a termination distribution point in
Phoenix, AZ. That's how Arizona gets its gasoline supply for the whole
state. There are liquid purge plugs inserted between each load of 87, 89, or
91 octane fuel, for there is only a single pipe.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 11:24:57 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

> No. Generally, gasoline is pumped to distribution points from the refinery
> via pipeline.

But I also should have said that of course local tanker trucks pick up fuel
to serve the loacl area around the refinery, however big in radius that
local area might be. It's probably the out-of-state market that is mainly
served by gasoline pipelines, or more remote parts of a state.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2004 14:50:17 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: nos reproductions

Has anyone ever dealt with NOS Reproductions in Ontario? http://www.nosreproductions.com/

If so, what was your opinion on product quality, service , etc?

Kevin 

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