
oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, June 3 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4908



New almost Wheelstanding 58 pics
Re: Engine re-assembly help!
RE: I'v been riped off
No Start Problem Found.....
Re: Engine re-assembly help! Valve cover question.
Re: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil
Re: New almost Wheelstanding 58 pics
Re: Engine re-assembly help!
Re: I'v been riped off
Re: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil
RE: Lock cylinder, or something else?
RE: New almost Wheelstanding 58 pics
RE: Cross member
RE: Lock cylinder, or something else?
RE: Lock cylinder, or something else?
Fw: Cross member
Fw: Possi unit for a 10 bolt 7.5 Chevy rear end
Fw: Cross member
Aftermarket Intake and OAI
Re: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil
Olds FAQ Updates- WAS:Aftermarket Intake and OAI
RE: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil
Olds and Sam Raimi
RE: Cross member
RE: Cross member
How not to fix things....  RE: Lock cylinder, or something else?
Re: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil
Re: New almost Wheelstanding 58 pics
RE: I'v been riped off

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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 01:56:02 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net (Randy Hermsen)
Subject: New almost Wheelstanding 58 pics

Hello
I see yer 68 and raise ya a 58 :)
 http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1087776549405_Untitled1.jpg
  http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1087529446387_Untitled5.jpg 
 http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1084780023456_Untitled3.jpg 
 http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1085266299087_Untitled4.jpg 
Thanks too Kevin O fer helping me git me putor werkin agin and scannin som pics.
Good luck!
Randy H.

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:51:11 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Engine re-assembly help!

I'm not sure I understand how you could put them on the wrong way - 
aren't both notches to the rear of the engine to clear the AC box and 
the brake booster?
How could you get them on the wrong side and still be at the rear? This 
isn't a chevy with symmetrical valve covers, you know! :)

krw
On Jun 2, 2004, at 12:54 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:35:54 -0400
> From: Michael McDonald <McDonald_M@72ho.com>
> Subject: Engine re-assembly help!
>
> Listers,
>
> I have painted the 1972 455 intake, heads, and valve covers. Now it's 
> time to
> bolt everything back onto the engine block again. However, I did not 
> notice
> when I removed them, the "notches" in the valve covers are different 
> sizes.
> One "notch" on one valve cover is "longer" than the other "notch".  So 
> which
> valve cover goes on the driver's side of the engine under the power 
> brake
> booster, the short notch or the long notched valve cover?
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Mike McDonald
> McDonald_M@72ho.com
>
> 1972 Hurst/Olds sunroof coupe
>     "as seen on Speed TV"
>    The American Musclecar
>             or
>         www.72ho.com
>
Kevin Wright                                krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                   http://www.wankel.net/~krwright

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:51:28 -0500
From: Kevin Wright <krwright@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: I'v been riped off

On Jun 2, 2004, at 12:54 AM, oldsmobile-digest wrote:

> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:28:39 -0400
> From: "David J. Duffner - Trofeoworld.com" <oldslist@trofeoworld.com>
> Subject: RE: I'v been riped off
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Allen Schwartz
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:51 AM
>> To: olds list
>> Subject: I'v been riped off
>>
>>
>> This is all about a deal to trade a carb I had for a tpi unit
>> this guy had. He never shiped my stuff and is saying he never got 
>> mine.
>>
>> I would appreciate it if anyone could look at th eboard and
>> mabey vouch for me even though I have not dealt wiuth alot of you
>> because I don't like to try to constantly sell stuff on here. At
>> least check it out to make sure you never deal with this guy, I'v
>> always been a straight shooter and have not ever been riped off in
>> ten years. I let this happen to me but it's still the
>> principle of the deal. I want everyone to know what this guy did so he
>> doesn't do it to anyone else.
>>
>> Allen Schwartz
>
> 	Allen, does appear as though he chumped you, but in that thread
> you show the first mistake you made: USPS.
>
> 	I hope they pay up on the claim, they're notorius for dragging
> things out forever and demanding all kinds of paperwork - being this
> was a used part, they'll balk on paying for it or devalue it down to
> nothing.
>
> 	Steadfast rule on any deals like this:
>
> 	UPS Ground, Signature Required, Insurance (if over $100).  While
> UPS isn't the best, they at least fully track packages from start to
> finish.  If they don't, they pay up within 30 days max at the value
> you state.  Since they do about 99% of the time, the extra few $$ for
> using UPS (or even FedEx anymore, but harder to ship Ground without
> a daily account) with the Signature Required would have saved you these
> headaches.
>
> 	If UPS has a bonehead delivery person on that route, and they
> dump the package w/out the signature - they lose again, instantly, and
> pay up on the deal.  Seen that happen with a former driver on my local
> route and I've filed and won many claims with UPS because he just
> dumped the package and ran.  Someone loves to steal them from the
> doorstep (in a semi-rural area yet), but I've never been on the losing
> side of any shipment done in this fashion.
>
> 	Love to say 'but I trust people and shouldn't have to go this
> route', but sadly over the last 20 years it's happened.  In my business
> here (non-vehicle related) it's mandatory that packages shipped to a
> customer for at least the first time go out in this fashion.  Once a
> few shipments make it without incident, then we can relax the 
> requirements
> and ship it normally.  But the consumers recognize we're on top of 
> things
> and normally there's never an issue or temptation to cause a problem 
> when
> they see we're tracking a package fully.
>
> 	Hopefully this works out for you!
>
At the very least, if you must use USPS, go Priority Mail and pay the 
extra buck or so for Delivery Confirmation and/or Signature Required.
It's sad that it has to be done, but now you know why.

>
On digest mode, so I'm a little slow...

Kevin Wright                                         
krwright@sbcglobal.net
Dallas/Ft. Worth, TX                             
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/70Olds.html

'71 Cutlass S for sale, less engine and trans: 
http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/cars/olds/71_cutlass.html

Snoopy: 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S Sports Coupe - It wants to be a W-31! 
And have EFI, 4-wheel discs, a 6-speed, a turbo or two... :)
...and a '71 Holiday Coupe less engine/transmission for sale - it'll be 
parts if someone doesn't buy it!

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:30:40 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: No Start Problem Found.....

First, thanks to all who responded!

I got out the test light and voltmeter and started checking things. What
I found was there was no 12 volts to the solenoid when the key was
turned to the start position. Out of all the labeling I did, the wires
to the solenoid were crossed. I swapped them around, and the beast now
lives!

I will have her out on the road by the end of the week. Details to
follow.

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:24:30 -0400
From: Michael McDonald <McDonald_M@72ho.com>
Subject: Re: Engine re-assembly help! Valve cover question.

On Wednesday, June 2nd Kevin Wright wrote:

>I'm not sure I understand how you could put them on the wrong way - 
>aren't both notches to the rear of the engine to clear the AC box and 
>the brake booster?
>How could you get them on the wrong side and still be at the rear? This 
>isn't a chevy with symmetrical valve covers, you know! :)
>
>krw

Kevin,

You are correct! My problem is I'm thinking too far ahead.  The heads are still 
on my bench. I have looked at them again, and I can see the difference once 
installed on the engine block. 

The valve covers can be installed only two ways. 1) With both "notches" to the 
rear of the engine and the correct "longer notch" on the passenger side, or 2) 
With both notches toward the front of the engine (the WRONG way).  

Thanks for your replay.

Best wishes,
   
Mike McDonald
McDonald_M@72ho.com

1972 Hurst/Olds sunroof coupe
    "as seen on Speed TV"
   The American Musclecar    
            or
        www.72ho.com

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:42:47 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil

At Tuesday, 1 June 2004, you wrote:

>It's got a big block Chevy in it. The engine needs to be 
>replaced and Chevy given 10 pounds of C-4.

..... particularly since it's not a 427. The BBC 427 is the only 
other engine I'd consider over an Olds.

SteveH



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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 08:46:02 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: New almost Wheelstanding 58 pics

At Wednesday, 02 June 2004, you wrote:

>Hello
>I see yer 68 and raise ya a 58 :)
>http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1087776549405_Untitled1.jpg
>http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1087529446387_Untitled5.
jpg 
>http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1084780023456_Untitled3.
jpg 
>http://images.andale.com/f2/115/106/3596099/1085266299087_Untitled4.
jpg 

Sights for sore eyes...  :o)

But we wanna see them front tires offn the pavement next time, eh  ;o\

SteveH



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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 05:54:27 -0700 (PDT)
From: Geo <geogeethree@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Engine re-assembly help!

The notched 455 valve covers can only be installed two
ways: with the notches towards the front of the engine
or in back.  The only way to install them INCORRECTLY
would be if the notches ended up at the FRONT of the
engine.  There's no way to incorrectly install those
455 notched valve covers when the notches are at the
back of the engine, and if you somehow did they'd be
upside down and all the bolt holes wouldn't line up
anyway.  Does that make any sense or have i caused
your head to spin all around the top of that 455 of
yours [grin!].  

Geo
'72 442
Digest Mode


> Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:35:54 -0400
> From: Michael McDonald <McDonald_M@72ho.com>
> Subject: Engine re-assembly help!
> 
> Listers,
> 
> I have painted the 1972 455 intake, heads, and valve
> covers. Now it's time to 
> bolt everything back onto the engine block again.
> However, I did not notice 
> when I removed them, the "notches" in the valve
> covers are different sizes. 
> One "notch" on one valve cover is "longer" than the
> other "notch".  So which 
> valve cover goes on the driver's side of the engine
> under the power brake 
> booster, the short notch or the long notched valve
> cover?  
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> Mike McDonald
> McDonald_M@72ho.com
> 
> 1972 Hurst/Olds sunroof coupe
>     "as seen on Speed TV"
>    The American Musclecar    
>             or
>         www.72ho.com



	
		
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 09:25:50 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: I'v been riped off

I just want to make sure nobody deal with this guy. I know this is olds list
but we have other cars also. I gave the guy the opertunity and he took it. I
hope nobody else gives it to him
Allen Schwartz
A&L Enterprises
mycj@tds.net
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 5:13 PM
Subject: Re: I'v been riped off


> I don't usually get involved, but I understand you being p*$$*d
off.....The
> person you are dealing with is probably not only a crook, but also
> illiterate.
> Pat Swanton.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:48 AM
> Subject: Re: I'v been riped off
>
>
> > I know I screwed this up. There is situation with my current job which
> make
> > this sort of deal very hard. I'm 50 miles from ups so that mae it very
> > dificult.
> > He didn't chump me. You wouldn't believe how many people have contacted
me
> > and believe me. I have all the emails and stuff that show his deception
> and
> > how his story goes round and round
> > Allen Schwartz
> > A&L Enterprises
> > mycj@tds.net
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "David J. Duffner - Trofeoworld.com" <oldslist@trofeoworld.com>
> > To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:28 AM
> > Subject: RE: I'v been riped off
> >
> >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> > > >[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Allen Schwartz
> > > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:51 AM
> > > >To: olds list
> > > >Subject: I'v been riped off
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >This is all about a deal to trade a carb I had for a tpi unit
> > > >this guy had. He never shiped my stuff and is saying he never got
mine.
> > > >
> > > >I would appreciate it if anyone could look at th eboard and
> > > >mabey vouch for me even though I have not dealt wiuth alot of you
> > > >because I don't like to try to constantly sell stuff on here. At
> > > >least check it out to make sure you never deal with this guy, I'v
> > > >always been a straight shooter and have not ever been riped off in
> > > >ten years. I let this happen to me but it's still the
> > > >principle of the deal. I want everyone to know what this guy did so
he
> > > >doesn't do it to anyone else.
> > > >
> > > >Allen Schwartz
> > >
> > > Allen, does appear as though he chumped you, but in that thread
> > > you show the first mistake you made: USPS.
> > >
> > > I hope they pay up on the claim, they're notorius for dragging
> > > things out forever and demanding all kinds of paperwork - being this
> > > was a used part, they'll balk on paying for it or devalue it down to
> > > nothing.
> > >
> > > Steadfast rule on any deals like this:
> > >
> > > UPS Ground, Signature Required, Insurance (if over $100).  While
> > > UPS isn't the best, they at least fully track packages from start to
> > > finish.  If they don't, they pay up within 30 days max at the value
> > > you state.  Since they do about 99% of the time, the extra few $$ for
> > > using UPS (or even FedEx anymore, but harder to ship Ground without
> > > a daily account) with the Signature Required would have saved you
these
> > > headaches.
> > >
> > > If UPS has a bonehead delivery person on that route, and they
> > > dump the package w/out the signature - they lose again, instantly, and
> > > pay up on the deal.  Seen that happen with a former driver on my local
> > > route and I've filed and won many claims with UPS because he just
> > > dumped the package and ran.  Someone loves to steal them from the
> > > doorstep (in a semi-rural area yet), but I've never been on the losing
> > > side of any shipment done in this fashion.
> > >
> > > Love to say 'but I trust people and shouldn't have to go this
> > > route', but sadly over the last 20 years it's happened.  In my
business
> > > here (non-vehicle related) it's mandatory that packages shipped to a
> > > customer for at least the first time go out in this fashion.  Once a
> > > few shipments make it without incident, then we can relax the
> requirements
> > > and ship it normally.  But the consumers recognize we're on top of
> things
> > > and normally there's never an issue or temptation to cause a problem
> when
> > > they see we're tracking a package fully.
> > >
> > > Hopefully this works out for you!
> > >
> > >       David J. Duffner
> > >       Editor
> > >       TrofeoWorld.com
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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 07:35:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil

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> No one's bid yet
> Florida
> ROP.com member named "Butch"
> Ck out the ad even if just for the PIC of the wheelstand!
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1467&item=4171693968
 
==================================
Yes, I do believe this is the same Butch that used to post here.  This car used to have MANY 455 Olds in it.  IIRC, he kept ripping out the area IN THE BLOCK where the #3 main cap goes.  He was generating THAT MUCH power.  He reluctantly switched over to a chevy and STILL is able to pull the front wheels WELL into the air.  Unfortunately a back injury has forced him to sell.
IMO, this is a deal of a lifetime.  I unfortunately have already commited to several other projects, but it IS very tempting.
 
Chris
grp442@yahoo.com

		
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<DIV>Yes, I do believe this is the same Butch that used to post here.&nbsp; This car used to have MANY 455 Olds in it.&nbsp; IIRC, he kept ripping out the area IN THE BLOCK where the #3 main cap goes.&nbsp; He was generating THAT MUCH power.&nbsp; He reluctantly switched over to a chevy and STILL is able to pull the front wheels WELL into the air.&nbsp; Unfortunately a back injury has forced him to sell.</DIV>
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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 14:40:16 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Lock cylinder, or something else?

Yesterday I wrote:

>You need a lock-plate compressor and a steering-wheel puller. [...]
>The Sears puller I have doubles as a harmonic balancer as well, [...]

Well, _that_ makes a lot of sense...  :-)

I meant to say that the Sears Craftsman tool is a combination steering-wheel 
puller and harmonic-balancer puller. (It was especially useful for pressing 
the balancer back _on_ again.) I've used it for both purposes over the 
years.

("It's a floor wax _and_ a dessert topping!" Grand prize to whoever can 
remember where _that_ came from... :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 09:43:29 -0500
From: "Dave Wyatt" <wyattolds@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: New almost Wheelstanding 58 pics

Great shots of a cool car!!  It's always good to see action photos of older 
cars.  So how did the day at the track turn out?


Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
67 Vista Cruiser

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:02:54 -0400 
From: Mearl Francis <Mearl.Francis@TRACO.COM>
Subject: RE: Cross member

Thanks Dan
  I'll check out the site.
Mearl

- -----Original Message-----
From: Daniel R. Gerow [mailto:dgerow@stonehill.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 6:41 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: Cross member

Hello,

You could also check out G-Force Performance at  http://www.crossmembers.com

I've heard good things about them, but have no personal experience.

Regards,

 ~ Dan

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 Post 4spd
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mearl Francis" <Mearl.Francis@TRACO.COM>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:12 AM
Subject: Cross member


> Good morning
>   I have recently dropped a set of headers in my 1986 Cutlass Supreme,
which
> has a 350 Rocket and a 350 automatic trans. I hadn't thought about it..
but,
> now need a cross member for dual exhaust. Is this something that is hard
to
> find? What will fit other than Oldsmobile cross members? Also, I'm looking
> for a Possi unit for a 10 bolt 7.5 Chevy rear end... Any leads? I just
> picked up a rear w/ 3.73 gears.. but, it's single traction.
> Thanks for any help
> Mearl
>

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 12:14:21 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: RE: Lock cylinder, or something else?

At Wednesday, 02 June 2004, you wrote:

>Yesterday I wrote:
>
>>You need a lock-plate compressor and a steering-wheel 
>>puller. [...]
>>The Sears puller I have doubles as a harmonic balancer 
>>as well, [...]
>
>Well, _that_ makes a lot of sense...  :-)

I wasn't gwan call you on that, Andy: seemed rather obvious, eh  ;o)

>("It's a floor wax _and_ a dessert topping!" Grand prize to 
>whoever can remember where _that_ came from... :-)

SNL.

What'd I win?  :o))))))

SteveH



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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:25:19 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Lock cylinder, or something else?

>>("It's a floor wax _and_ a dessert topping!" Grand prize to
>>whoever can remember where _that_ came from... :-)
>
>SNL.
>
>What'd I win?  :o))))))

A 12-ounce can of New Shimmer. It's a floor wax _and_ a dessert topping!  
:-)

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:25:27 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Fw: Cross member

Subject: Re: Cross member


> Hi - a posi you can get from Summit or Jegs, but for once, the best price
I
> got was  from the specialists in drivetrains:
> I dont't remeber 100%sure, but it was or Driveline Specialists or Callman
> Gears or so - they had the Eaton posi a 100 less than at Summit plus the
> very competent advice at free...
> AFAIR the double hump cross member is sort of rare.. I had both tubes
routed
> on the same side but still no headers, only 2 1/2 double exhaust, in my
81CS
> rgds
> Matt
> >   I have recently dropped a set of headers in my 1986 Cutlass Supreme,
> which
> > has a 350 Rocket and a 350 automatic trans. I hadn't thought about it..
> but,
> > now need a cross member for dual exhaust. Is this something that is hard
> to
> > find? What will fit other than Oldsmobile cross members? Also, I'm
looking
> > for a Possi unit for a 10 bolt 7.5 Chevy rear end... Any leads? I just
> > picked up a rear w/ 3.73 gears.. but, it's single traction.
> > Thanks for any help
> > Mearl
>

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:26:12 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Fw: Possi unit for a 10 bolt 7.5 Chevy rear end

> Reider Racing, www.ReiderRacing.com
> (734) 946 1330, Timothy was the guy...
> good luck
> Matt
> P.S. My 81 CS will soon has a 468, any experience with your 7.5" will be
> usefull for me :-))
>
>
> Subject: Cross member
>
>
> > Good morning
> >   I have recently dropped a set of headers in my 1986 Cutlass Supreme,
> which
> > has a 350 Rocket and a 350 automatic trans. I hadn't thought about it..
> but,
> > now need a cross member for dual exhaust. Is this something that is hard
> to
> > find? What will fit other than Oldsmobile cross members? Also, I'm
looking
> > for a Possi unit for a 10 bolt 7.5 Chevy rear end... Any leads? I just
> > picked up a rear w/ 3.73 gears.. but, it's single traction.
> > Thanks for any help
> > Mearl
>

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 14:25:49 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Fw: Cross member

> Mearl, I've found the source for rear end parts.
> Reider Racing, www.ReiderRacing.com
> (734) 946 1330, Timothy was the guy...
> good luck
> Matt
> P.S. My 81 CS will soon has a 468, any experience with your 7.5" will be
> usefull for me :-))
>
>
> Subject: Cross member
>
>
> > Good morning
> >   I have recently dropped a set of headers in my 1986 Cutlass Supreme,
> which
> > has a 350 Rocket and a 350 automatic trans. I hadn't thought about it..
> but,
> > now need a cross member for dual exhaust. Is this something that is hard
> to
> > find? What will fit other than Oldsmobile cross members? Also, I'm
looking
> > for a Possi unit for a 10 bolt 7.5 Chevy rear end... Any leads? I just
> > picked up a rear w/ 3.73 gears.. but, it's single traction.
> > Thanks for any help
> > Mearl
>

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 15:18:45 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Aftermarket Intake and OAI

I just wanted to report that an Edelbrock O4B intake fits with the OAI
hood, air cleaner and breather with no modifications.

FYI to the list.

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 hardtop
OCA # 31967

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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 13:59:18 -0600
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil

chris smetana wrote:

> Yes, I do believe this is the same Butch that used to post here.  This 
> car used to have MANY 455 Olds in it.  IIRC, he kept ripping out the 
> area IN THE BLOCK where the #3 main cap goes.

I believe this is similar to the problem Milton had except he cured it 
with a forged 455 crank and added counterweights.

Now if forged 455 cranks grew on trees ... well lets just say Sir Isaac 
Newton would have had the gravity of sitting under trees impressed upon 
him. :)  Sorry, it's a slow news day.

Pity Cola Cranks did not decide to have even a limited run.

<The O.C. (olds content)> Apparently the director of Spiderman, Sam 
Raimi, owns a yellow 1973 Oldsmobile Delta 88 which he tries to place in 
his films.  In Spiderman I believe it was Peters dad's car.  He says he 
needed a car in his first movie and his mom lent him the Delta and he 
somehow fit it into each movie he has made.  Given that, shouldn't we 
have a contest to see who spots it first in this summers Spiderman 2?
- --

Cliff "If I had a million dollars, I'd be rich." Simpson & Kermit
http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:06:20 -0400
From: "Jay Britt" <jbritt67@mindspring.com>
Subject: Olds FAQ Updates- WAS:Aftermarket Intake and OAI

This would be good info to have on the Olds FAQ. Who maintains that
these days?.

- -----Original Message-----
I just wanted to report that an Edelbrock O4B intake fits with the OAI
hood, air cleaner and breather with no modifications.

FYI to the list.

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 hardtop
OCA # 31967

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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 15:14:29 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: RE: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil

 
Cliff Simpson wrote......

> <The O.C. (olds content)> Apparently the director of 
> Spiderman, Sam Raimi, owns a yellow 1973 Oldsmobile Delta 88 
> which he tries to place in his films.  In Spiderman I believe 
> it was Peters dad's car.  He says he needed a car in his 
> first movie and his mom lent him the Delta and he somehow fit 
> it into each movie he has made.  Given that, shouldn't we 
> have a contest to see who spots it first in this summers Spiderman 2?

Cliff,
	Yuppers you are correct.  Gramps had the yellow Olds.  I'll keep an
eye out for it in the sequel.

Another Olds sighting in the movies, albeit an old movie, but in The
Exorcist at the end when the preecher gets tossed out the window, and down
the stairs, you see the tail end of a '70


Steve Reed 
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice 
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop (In Reassembly mode) 
'68 Cutlass Supreme (Seized Engine) 
Austin, TX 
http://www.sreed.0catch.com

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 16:03:41 -0500
From: "Nick Dean" <sausageman79@hotmail.com>
Subject: Olds and Sam Raimi

This is the very same car that appeared in the Evil Dead series, except that
they used a dummy car for the scene in Army of Darkness where it was dropped
in the desert.  Oh, and for the record, in Spiderman, that was Peter's
~uncle~  :-)

Nick "This is my BOOMstick" Dean
SIU Automotive Technology, Carbondale, IL
'72 Cutlass Supreme (needing some work to get back on the road again)
'88 4Runner (desperately desiring a 350 Rocket!)



> <The O.C. (olds content)> Apparently the director of Spiderman, Sam
> Raimi, owns a yellow 1973 Oldsmobile Delta 88 which he tries to place in
> his films.  In Spiderman I believe it was Peters dad's car.  He says he
> needed a car in his first movie and his mom lent him the Delta and he
> somehow fit it into each movie he has made.  Given that, shouldn't we
> have a contest to see who spots it first in this summers Spiderman 2?
> --
>
> Cliff "If I had a million dollars, I'd be rich." Simpson & Kermit
> http://www.ucalgary.ca/~csimpson/TheOldsZone.html
>
>


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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 18:48:58 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@earthlink.net>
Subject: RE: Cross member

This is another "heard about it but cannot verify from personal 
experience" reply, but I have heard from several sources that the 
crossmembers from post-'92 Crown Victorias and Grand Marquis vehicles 
are double hump design and can easily be made to fit a G-body with a 
Turbo 350 trans. 

I know the G-Force crossmembers are excellent quality and IMO worth the 
money.  I will likely get his kit when I upgrade the '78 to a 200-4R 
(unless I swap out the frame to a post-'82 one).

Michael Ecker

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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:36:07 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: RE: Cross member

At 06:48 PM 6/2/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>This is another "heard about it but cannot verify from personal 
>experience" reply, but I have heard from several sources that the 
>crossmembers from post-'92 Crown Victorias and Grand Marquis vehicles 
>are double hump design and can easily be made to fit a G-body with a 
>Turbo 350 trans. 
>
>I know the G-Force crossmembers are excellent quality and IMO worth the 
>money.  I will likely get his kit when I upgrade the '78 to a 200-4R 
>(unless I swap out the frame to a post-'82 one).

I can't find the bookmark right now but there's a guy making an
almost-identical crossmember to Force's, for less than half, around $120
IIRC. I believe I mentioned it here about 3-4 months ago and a few guys
bought one and liked them. One said it looked virtually identical to Force's.

SteveH

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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 20:20:30 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: How not to fix things....  RE: Lock cylinder, or something else?

At 02:29 PM 06/01/2004 +0000, Andy wrote:
>No, but if it's any consolation, the special tools you need to do the job 
>are inexpensive and not sufficiently obscure or single-purposey that you'll 
>never use them again. You need a lock-plate compressor and a steering-wheel 
>puller. Both are commonly available (e.g. Sears, AutoZone). The Sears puller 
>I have doubles as a harmonic balancer as well, and I've used it for both 
>purposes over the years.

Well, as I'm in something of a hurry and predisposed toward clumsiness, AND
the ONLY trustworthy mechanic that I know of has an injury which is
preventing him from doing a whole lot of work at this time . . . 

Not to say there aren't trustworthy mechanics in this area, but I just
haven't had time yet to get info on reputations. . . .

BUT . . I got the lock cylinder and (shudder) took it to Pep Boys.  Keep
yer fingers crossed for me.


ANYWAY, I did talk to the injured mechanic last night, and via phone he
talked me through dropping the steering column, the logic being that it's
the ignition switch which gets hung up more often than being the lock
cylinder.

Alas, the capricious gods of probability have determined that it is in fact
the lock cylinder.  Still, at least now I know how to get to the darned
ignition switch!

BUT . .  on the 1989 Delta 88, this required mucking about with dropping
the lower part of the dash beneath the steering column, which is ONE piece
all the way across the car.  Dropped the panels underneath, but had to
loosen the middle part of the dash with the vents in it (also one piece
completely across) to be able to get to some of the screws to remove the
bottom part.  Ugh.

All of which wouldn't be so bad, except somehow I've killed the glovebox
light switch.  Will have to look into that.

Oh, and the mechanism that moves the needle to P, R, N, D and so forth when
you shift with the column shifter?  A simple little clip on a wire, spring
loaded.  2 seconds to remove and replace.

Except when you forget to replace it and put everything back together.  I
think all that stuff I had to remove must be off to reach it.... though I'm
hoping I can take a shortcut or two to clip it back on.


Note to self:  Pay attention to details!

Note to self, part 2:  Don't forget the aforementioned little notes-to-self.

Note to self, part 3: That includes the note-to-self regarding the original
note-to-self


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2004 17:54:13 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil

> Yes, I do believe this is the same Butch that used to post here.  This car
used to have MANY 455 Olds in it.  IIRC, he kept ripping out the area IN THE
BLOCK where the #3 main cap goes.  He was generating THAT MUCH power.


I could tell him how to fix that so it won't happen. It's all in the crank.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2004 19:50:38 -0700
From: Greg Tjosvold <tjosvold@mail.polar7.com>
Subject: Re: New almost Wheelstanding 58 pics

Awesome pictures!

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Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:00:30 -0400
From: "David J. Duffner - Trofeoworld.com" <oldslist@trofeoworld.com>
Subject: RE: I'v been riped off

Allen,

	50 miles out?  Whew!  There's no UPS Stores nearby (used to
be Mail Boxes, etc.) or any of those types of places that do UPS
shipping for you?  You can also sign up for a UPS 'infrequent' 
account on their website and get a 6-character UPS # that allows
you to ship things without having a daily pickup.  You can then 
print labels up on the web, call them and they'll pick up the 
package from where you are.  I believe that's an extra $3 to do, 
UPS rates aren't the best anymore, but again how much is it worth
to do it this way in shaky or new situations vs. the hassles and
damage control you're doing now.

	UPS hasn't been my first choice, but their ground system is
easier than FedEx.  We've had both here for quite some time, but 
we use FedEx on the daily stuff and keep an infrequent UPS account
for those times it's a better choice on a ground package.  Of course
we are filthy with drop points, stores and UPS counters around this
area so drop-off's aren't as bad.  But UPS Stores will accept a 
package you make w/label without any surcharges like the private 
places do.

	Just some info for next time!  Take a look around you though, 
you might be surprised to find out there's a simple drop point you
weren't aware of that can help prevent this stuff or at least help
protect you better in the long run.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca 
>[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Allen Schwartz
>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:48 AM
>Subject: Re: I'v been riped off
>
>I know I screwed this up. There is situation with my current 
>job which make
>this sort of deal very hard. I'm 50 miles from ups so that mae it very
>dificult.
>
>Allen Schwartz
>A&L Enterprises
>mycj@tds.net
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "David J. Duffner - Trofeoworld.com" <oldslist@trofeoworld.com>
>To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:28 AM
>Subject: RE: I'v been riped off
>
>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
>> >[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Allen Schwartz
>> >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:51 AM
>> >To: olds list
>> >Subject: I'v been riped off
>> >
>> >
>> >This is all about a deal to trade a carb I had for a tpi unit
>> >this guy had. He never shiped my stuff and is saying he 
>never got mine.
>> >
>> >I would appreciate it if anyone could look at th eboard and
>> >mabey vouch for me even though I have not dealt wiuth alot of you
>> >because I don't like to try to constantly sell stuff on here. At
>> >least check it out to make sure you never deal with this guy, I'v
>> >always been a straight shooter and have not ever been riped off in
>> >ten years. I let this happen to me but it's still the
>> >principle of the deal. I want everyone to know what this 
>guy did so he
>> >doesn't do it to anyone else.
>> >
>> >Allen Schwartz
>>
>> Allen, does appear as though he chumped you, but in that thread
>> you show the first mistake you made: USPS.
>>
>> I hope they pay up on the claim, they're notorius for dragging
>> things out forever and demanding all kinds of paperwork - being this
>> was a used part, they'll balk on paying for it or devalue it down to
>> nothing.
>>
>> Steadfast rule on any deals like this:
>>
>> UPS Ground, Signature Required, Insurance (if over $100).  While
>> UPS isn't the best, they at least fully track packages from start to
>> finish.  If they don't, they pay up within 30 days max at the value
>> you state.  Since they do about 99% of the time, the extra few $$ for
>> using UPS (or even FedEx anymore, but harder to ship Ground without
>> a daily account) with the Signature Required would have 
>saved you these
>> headaches.
>>
>> If UPS has a bonehead delivery person on that route, and they
>> dump the package w/out the signature - they lose again, 
>instantly, and
>> pay up on the deal.  Seen that happen with a former driver 
>on my local
>> route and I've filed and won many claims with UPS because he just
>> dumped the package and ran.  Someone loves to steal them from the
>> doorstep (in a semi-rural area yet), but I've never been on 
>the losing
>> side of any shipment done in this fashion.
>>
>> Love to say 'but I trust people and shouldn't have to go this
>> route', but sadly over the last 20 years it's happened.  In 
>my business
>> here (non-vehicle related) it's mandatory that packages shipped to a
>> customer for at least the first time go out in this fashion.  Once a
>> few shipments make it without incident, then we can relax 
>the requirements
>> and ship it normally.  But the consumers recognize we're on 
>top of things
>> and normally there's never an issue or temptation to cause a 
>problem when
>> they see we're tracking a package fully.
>>
>> Hopefully this works out for you!
>>
>>       David J. Duffner
>>       Editor
>>       TrofeoWorld.com
>>
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