
oldsmobile-digest        Friday, June 18 2004        Volume 01 : Number 4923



Re: Toro List?
Re: Toro List?
Carlisle All-GM Nats / OCA Dash Plaque
Re: 468 in the 81 CS...
Re: Front end alignment for 68 442
RE: F-85, no longer my daily driver
RE: brake line rust prevention, and in general
15" SS3 rims for sale
Re: Front end alignment for 68 442
Will a '66 Cutlass dash fit a '64?
Re: Front end alignment for 68 442
Re: Front end alignment for 68 442
brake line rust prevention, and in general
468 in the 81 CS...
brake line rust prevention, and in general
Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: 468 in the 81 CS...
UNBOUNCE: '68 4-4-2 Side Stripes
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:38:22 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Re: Toro List?

Jay,

the address to sign up for the list is:  http://www.toronado.org/


Can anyone tell me if the Toronado list is still active . . . and, if
so, what is the current URL or address to join?

Thanks,

Jay

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 12:48:00 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: Re: Toro List?

HMMM... Links on this website do not seem to be worrking...

Jay,

the address to sign up for the list is:  http://www.toronado.org/


Can anyone tell me if the Toronado list is still active . . . and, if
so, what is the current URL or address to join?

Thanks,

Jay

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 18:27:39 +0000
From: brad442@comcast.net
Subject: Carlisle All-GM Nats / OCA Dash Plaque

http://mywebpages.comcast.net/brad442/GMNats04DP.gif


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| | |  Brad Nicholson
| | |  1987 442 & 2001 Intrigue GLS
|/|\|  brad442@comcast.net
| | |  mywebpages.comcast.net/brad442
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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:39:41 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 468 in the 81 CS...

Or an inverted air cleaner bottom plate that drops the air cleaner down over
the carb further, giving more room on top for hood clearance.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mearl Francis" <Mearl.Francis@TRACO.COM>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 7:01 AM
Subject: RE: 468 in the 81 CS...


> Matt
>   Your probably going to be looking at a Cowl Induction hood or another
> raised center hood. I'm looking for one for my 86 CS. I have found some
> internet links for new ones. Let me know if that is the direction you go..
> Mearl
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000
[mailto:travelchile@manquehue.net]
> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:49 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: 468 in the 81 CS...
>
> Hi guys,
> The 468 is in, but the hood is in conflict with the air filter... anybody
> has solved already this problem? I mean a 455 in 81CS originally equipped
> with a 260ci? TIA!
> Matt

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:42:52 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Front end alignment for 68 442

The alignment specs should be located in the "suspension" section, either in
the body of the text concerning reassembly of the front suspension or at the
end of that chapter under specifications or both. That info has to be in
there. It always is.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 6:57 AM
Subject: Front end alignment for 68 442


> Good Morning folks,
>
> I would like to get an alignment for my 68 442.  Local shops do not appear
> to have the specific settings going back this far and do not seem to have
> the needed numbers to perform the alignment.  I have a CSM but cannot
locate
> the info showing the settings for alignment.  Would anyone have alignment
> info, or share with me where in the CSM this info is?
>
> Thanks!
> Rob
> Free Olds classifieds and Olds car registry at www.allolds.com
>
>

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:27:08 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: F-85, no longer my daily driver

> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 07:57:25 -0700 (PDT)
> From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
> Subject: F-85, no longer my daily driver
> 

snip

> I have a 3 core radiator (Matt Crumley's original from his 70 S) 
> that I'd like to see if it can get recored (been wanting to do 
> this for like a year).  If so, then I can upgrade from the 2 core 
> to a 3 core otherwise I may have to buy a new 3 core Modine from NAL ... 

Chris, 

Last summer I had my original 3 core radiator re-cored with a high efficiency 
core. It has four rows of tubes, with more tubes per row than the original, 
and a higher fin-per-inch count. So it's the cooling of a high efficiency 4 core 
in a 3 core package. The shop that I used said it was available as a core only 
and not as a complete unit.  I can get the part number if you want to go that 
route - I'm sure any radiator shop in your area would be able to order the 
same core. 

Let me know.

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:21:04 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: brake line rust prevention, and in general

>If -YOU- will be the one working on your car, go ahead and take the time to 
>ward off rust with EVERY THING you work on.

Many years ago I replaced the front shocks on a '78 Grand Prix, and stuck a 
short length of grease-filled fuel line hose over the threaded tops of each 
shock center rod (the ones you usually have to torch off or snap off at 
replacement time).

At the time I never thought I'd have that car long enough to end up 
replacing those shocks again, but years later, at 138K or so, I was back 
under there with a wrench and a new set of shocks to install, and hey, look 
at that, I forgot I'd put those hoses on the shock studs... pull them off... 
wow, nice clean threads... the old shocks actually unscrewed with a wrench 
and came right out. :-)

- -- Andy

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:42:51 -0400
From: Timothy O'Guin <leix26@comcast.net>
Subject: 15" SS3 rims for sale

Guys,
I have a set of 5  15"  SS111  rims  I need to get rid of.  All ss 
inserts in place and
come with  trim rings and center caps. All are used. Rims need blasting 
and painting
to your car color. Trim rings have minor dings from use but overall 
decent. Center
caps fair, some pitting and a couple missing emblems.  I would use 
center caps
until you could find better, but would get you started. Also have 19 
lugnuts. I want
these out of my life, $100 for all. Make me an offer. Located in 
Lansing, MI. Send
me an email privately. 
Thanks,
Tim O'Guin
1968 Delmont 88 Convt.

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 19:01:54 -0400
From: Michael McDonald <McDonald_M@72ho.com>
Subject: Re: Front end alignment for 68 442

On Thursday, Jun 17th Rob V wrote:

>I would like to get an alignment for my 68 442.  Local shops do not appear
>to have the specific settings going back this far and do not seem to have
>the needed numbers to perform the alignment.  I have a CSM but cannot locate
>the info showing the settings for alignment.  Would anyone have alignment
>info, or share with me where in the CSM this info is?
>
>Thanks!
>Rob

Rob,

Ignore the CSM specifications.  Here is what worked wonders for me.  My 1972 
Hurst Olds was riding on G60-14 Goodyear Polyglass belted tires.  I was used to 
driving this car with these tires, when a friend of mine who owns a 68 Hemi GTX 
drove it once.  He called it a "death trap" the way the car steered itself left 
and right "all over the road".  Now maybe my car was "out of alignment" but the 
tires were wearing ok.  

I then found an article in the February 1990 issue of Musclecar Review.  The 
article was called "Alignment Alternatives" - "A better way to go straight".  
In this article they basically said that late 60's to early 70's GM A-body cars 
were set up to make the steering "easy" and more "responsive" and did not take 
into consideration that more and more cars came with power steering and in 1973 
radial tires. This bias towards turning left and right made these cars "wonder" 
all over the road.  

The article recommends that if you have a GM A-body car with power steering and 
radial tires, you should screw in more positive caster than what the CSM says.  
The article said that from 1964 to 1972 the recommended caster is a negative 1 
degree.  Using a experienced front end man, you should have him try 1 degree 
positive caster up to 3 degrees positive.  The experienced front end man will 
also watch the camber settings to make sure they do not stray too far from the 
CSM specifications.  

This article was first published in the November 1988 issue of Journey With 
Olds.  

These changes along with switching to radial tires made my lumbering 1972 Hurst 
Olds handle more like my 1973 small block Corvette.

Best wishes,
  
Mike McDonald
McDonald_M@72ho.com

1972 Hurst/Olds sunroof coupe
    "as seen on Speed TV"
   The American Musclecar    
            or
        www.72ho.com

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:17:21 -0400
From: AnTiCr0mBi@aol.com
Subject: Will a '66 Cutlass dash fit a '64?

Rode around in my buddy's '66 and noticed the round guage pods...which I like a LOT. Wondering if that whole shabang will bolt into my '64. I know it's the same basic thing...the dash pads are different. Controlls in slightly different places...but will it work??

- -Eric Anderson

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:23:08 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Front end alignment for 68 442

Larry,

Thanks, I will check that at my earliest opportunity!  I appreciate the
info!

Rob
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry" <kajrav@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Front end alignment for 68 442


>       Isn't what you are looking for on page 3-22 of the '68 CSM?

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:23:08 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Front end alignment for 68 442

Larry,

Thanks, I will check that at my earliest opportunity!  I appreciate the
info!

Rob
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Larry" <kajrav@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Front end alignment for 68 442


>       Isn't what you are looking for on page 3-22 of the '68 CSM?

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:46:10 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: brake line rust prevention, and in general

17 Jun 2004  "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com> writes:

> GREASE THE FITTINGS.
> 
> Silvery Anti-sieze works great. Silicone grease works great. Even 
> just plain wheel bearing grease is better than a dry fitting.

I totally agree with greasing the fittings.  But after 10 years 
driving (my interval for brake hoses) here in the land of snow 
and salt (Chicago), and perhaps 120,000 miles, it just isn't 
enough by itself.  

> PS this goes for the BLEEDERS too. Would you like them to 
> zip right open next time? Then, remove them, clean them 
> thoroughly, and GREASE THEM. Yes, it takes a few more 
> minutes. However, it saves a few HOURS later, and tons 
> of money.

For additional protection (after putting antiseize on the 
threads), I cut down a vacuum cap for a snug fit over the 
bleeder.  I fill the cap with silicone grease and push it on.  
When removing the cover, a little compressed air clears 
things off.  This seems to work where all else has 
failed (for me).    Bruce Roe

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 22:16:22 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: 468 in the 81 CS...

I have used a bottom half air cleaner from an early Toronado.  
These sat extra low on the carb; let me put a 4" diesel air 
cleaner were a 3" used to be.  But with a high rise intake, 
this may not be enough.  I have a 403 in an 81 Cutlass.  

     Bruce Roe

> From: Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000 
> [mailto:travelchile@manquehue.net] 
> Sent: June 17, 2004 
> 
> Hi guys,
> The 468 is in, but the hood is in conflict with the air filter... 
> anybody has solved already this problem? I mean a 455 
> in 81CS originally equipped with a 260ci? TIA!
> Matt
> 

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Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:49:21 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: brake line rust prevention, and in general

Jeez Chris, I got tired just reading your solution to rusty brake lines, 
but you are correct, that will certainly stop rust at those areas.  You 
need to move to the desert to avoid all that crap.  Out here we pull off 20 
year old exhaust systems and shocks with an open end wrench and an iced tea!!

Joe Varley

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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 17:56:26 -0600
From: eric <aksoe1@sasktel.net>
Subject: Without Driving off a Cliff

I think I did it.  I believe I got 26.9 MPIG with a Carborated 455 
Olds.   Highway mostly of course.  I'm curious:
a) Whats the best measured run anyone's got / heard of for a 455 Olds.
b) Any more tricks for even more ?

The specs:
1971 Olds, 1974 455 with Dual exhaust, no emmission stuff (legal here), 
Comp Crane with moderate lift, 1000 - 5000 range, Turbo 200R4 , K+N Air 
filter, + Vacuum Gauge mounted sloppily in easy sight.

It's got 14 inch rims still, I might up to the 15inch ralley's I've 
got.  I'm getting a tach, whats the least I can realistically want to 
run on the highway for RPM anyways (I'm thinking 1500 at 70 mph).

So far, the speedometer tests out reasonably close to what I would 
expect (< 2% for sure variance, but I took a construction route to work, 
so my Miles per trip could be a little out).  I remember it being dead 
on.  The fillup was done at the same station by myself, full to the 
absolute brim each time.  Even with some variance, I'm still confident 
it's > 25 MPIG.

Just thought I'd share, I won't deny I'm extremely proud of it (+ the 
power is still good, better than any of my '75 Cutlass's, which would at 
best get 21-22 MPIG).

Eric Aksomitis

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:25:06 EDT
From: WlJam5@aol.com
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

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for me. any wayi replaced the 307 with anetca long block 2 yrs back . the 
orig was letting go everywhere in the chambers. this one now is guzziling the 
gas. at reading the mpg info you posted and that i know by my experience your mpg 
now is very efficenyt in the 455. i am wondering if we can chat back and 
forth  in goal to improve this one here to get better mpg. a tune up was done but 
not efectiveand the engine runs fine and is within the specs,oilruns clean. ac 
is disconnected. the rochestrer b barrwel they tell me is aok then again 
hhere i dont know of a real good mechanic for relying on. please let me hear from 
you .. thanks  "JAY"  polpolk9@yahoo.com

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 07:38:09 EDT
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Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 06:49:51 -0700
From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

> I think I did it.  I believe I got 26.9 MPIG with a Carborated 455
> Olds.

Excellent!

Funny thing is though, you'll be excited about this new knowledge and want to share it with others, most of whom will be
sceptical and will all but proclaimed you a BS'er.

Here's some of my experienced gains that I have applied and the minimum gain in gas mileage I've experienced:

1) Synthetic oil change...2 mpg

2) Distributor recurve...3 mpg

3) Carburetor rejettting (must be changed in spring and fall for optimum efficiency without lean conditions in
winter)....4 mpg

4) Ignition upgrade (plugs @ .060", wires, coil, module)...1 mpg

5) Light application of right foot to pedal....a huge difference (estimated 5-10 mpg)

I once upgraded a Cutlass wagon from a 150 HP 305 to a 350 HP 350. I changed the rear gears from 2.45's to 3.23's (yes,
revving higher - this is a Volumetric Efficiency thing) and improved the mileage over the stock setup by 6 mpg city and
10 mpg highway to an average of 24 and 32 mpg without an overdrive transmission. Quarter mile times improved from 19.5
to 14.6. Few have ever believed this.

Keep in mind, this is canuck gallons but it applies everywhere.

Don't be disappointed if your claims are met with scepticism and disbelief. Let them keep burning up their cash
unnecessarily while you enjoy the extra cash in your wallet.

Kevin

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 08:52:04 -0600
From: Igor Todorovic <igor455@shaw.ca>
Subject: Re: 468 in the 81 CS...

Are you using the stock intake or a performer?  What carb?

I have put a 455 into a couple of G-bodies with a stock intake, Q-jet, and a
drop base air filter with a 3" element, and it worked ok.  Should work for
you.

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <bcroe@juno.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:16 PM
Subject: 468 in the 81 CS...


> I have used a bottom half air cleaner from an early Toronado.
> These sat extra low on the carb; let me put a 4" diesel air
> cleaner were a 3" used to be.  But with a high rise intake,
> this may not be enough.  I have a 403 in an 81 Cutlass.
>
>      Bruce Roe
>
> > From: Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000
> > [mailto:travelchile@manquehue.net]
> > Sent: June 17, 2004
> >
> > Hi guys,
> > The 468 is in, but the hood is in conflict with the air filter...
> > anybody has solved already this problem? I mean a 455
> > in 81CS originally equipped with a 260ci? TIA!
> > Matt
> >
>
>

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 13:16:00 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: UNBOUNCE: '68 4-4-2 Side Stripes

Not on the list, respond to RideSafeHoss@aol.com if you can assist.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:   RideSafeHoss@aol.com

I am restoring a 1968 442 Convertible and I'm ready for paint. I want to put 
the front fender Rally Stripes down each front fender but -- Cannot find the 
dimensions?

Can someone in your club instruct me as to the proper total width, The width 
of the small strips and the width of the large center strip?

Thanking You in Advance......

EddiE B

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 10:01:57 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

> 5) Light application of right foot to pedal....a huge difference
(estimated 5-10 mpg)


That's the most important factor and the hardest for many people to do. I
know that I don't have the self-discipline to do it.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 14:16:21 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

I was born with my right foot a 1/2 size bigger than my left.....
That would explain why I gave up worrying about gas mileage.
When in doubt punch it!
Pat Swanton.
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff


> > 5) Light application of right foot to pedal....a huge difference
> (estimated 5-10 mpg)
> 
> 
> That's the most important factor and the hardest for many people to do. I
> know that I don't have the self-discipline to do it.
> 
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
> 
> 
> 
> 

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