
oldsmobile-digest        Sunday, July 11 2004        Volume 01 : Number 4947



Re: was Re: 3800 and plastic intake question
Re:  Tires
im back/drags pics/jetting a 371
Testing New O/S Install (Plain Text)
Trans Cooler Plumbing
Re: Testing New O/S Install (Plain Text)
Re: Trans Cooler Plumbing
RE: Testing New O/S Install (Plain Text)
Autozone - free shipping - $29.99 GMB 130-1260P pumps!
RE: Autozone - free shipping - $29.99 GMB 130-1260P pumps!
'65 442 shifters
Re: '65 442 shifters
Re: Trans Cooler Plumbing
Re: Autozone - free shipping - $29.99 GMB 130-1260P pumps!
RE: '65 442 shifters
RE: Testing New O/S Install (Plain Text)
RE: Testing New O/S Install (Plain Text)
Electric fan option
Looking for someone knowledgeable about 65's
Horsepower TV has 442
RE: Testing New O/S Install (Plain Text)
Re: Testing New O/S Install (Plain Text)
RE: Horsepower TV has 442
looking for
Electric fuel pump install
Info from PartsAmerica.com regarding GMB water pump
RE: Horsepower TV has 442
RE: Electric fuel pump install
RE: Info from PartsAmerica.com regarding GMB water pump
RE: Horsepower TV has 442
RE: Info from PartsAmerica.com regarding GMB water pump
window regulators for a 1956 Olds
Re: window regulators for a 1956 Olds
numbers matched info needed
Re: numbers matched info needed

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:26:02 -0400
From: "Frederick Nissen" <fsnissen@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: was Re: 3800 and plastic intake question

> Um, what years in the 80s-90s did not have EGR valves?  I know my 1989
3800
> has one.
>
> And, wouldn't the lack of EGR mean that you could have less timing
advance?

- -------------------------

The VIN "L" 3800 that first appeared in the '91 C cars (98 and Park Avenue)
did not need EGR for emission compliance.  This engine showed up in the H
cars (88, etc.) when they were rebodied in '92.   I have never compared the
timing curve  to that of the earlier or later 3800 with EGR.  All I can say
is that the "L" code engines run well and have very few reliability issues.
The electronically controlled trans that debuted at the same time also helps
the overall powertrain operation quite a bit.

Regards,
Fred

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Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2004 22:31:32 -0700
From: Joe & Gloria Varley <carcouple@cox.net>
Subject: Re:  Tires

Yes George, you are exactly right about tires/age and noise.  Only thing 
about the Nittos, they were only 3 years old and were always noisy, even 
after 20,000 miles.  They had to have a hard compound to go 58,000 miles 
and still have 4/32 minimum on them.  I just think Nittos suck.

If anybody else is buying tires soon, check out the web pages for Tire Rack 
and Discount Tire.  I did because I had heard recently some negative stuff 
about Michelins, which I was going to put on the Aurora.  For the price, 
Michelins sure don't wear well lately.  The guys at Discount don't like 
them very well either.  They said the only real good Michelins lately were 
the most expensive ones, the rest are not what they used to be, and that is 
a lot of $$ per mile, compared to many others.

Joe Varley
      AZ

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 02:29:24 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: im back/drags pics/jetting a 371

Hello
I was temp. booted and could not resub. for two weeks,missed ya all.
I found my ign. gremlin,, why the tach would jump when hot 100 or so rpm at a time.
But first i had to change wires, plugs, cap, rotor,points condenser,,,finally i looked at coil and ballast res.,coil was weeping at pos. post,,,we have spark now:)with new coil and ballast res.
I guess with spark my best time of 15.78@86mph wont stand up long.
Has anyone here ever jetted a 371 J2 ?
I was on the lean side(plugs say,,,looked to clean,no color).
The 1957 carb man. says 58s jets in center and 59s on ends.
The 58 shop man. shows no jets sizes.
I found 65s in my ends and 59s in center.
I asked Jim Z. to look in his ends,he found 65s in his ends also.
I took some 74s outa a qjet...these i guess would have the rod in center.
The hole looked to be 2 sizes up approx. then a 65 jet from my two barrel ends.
Car ran good on street.
Plugs still looked to clean,probably from idle.
Jetted up center with some 72s from a qjet,,,was to rich in the driveway and drivin on street she seemed slower via seat of pants feel.
I put in a pair of 65s from the ends in center and she idles better and is crisp again on the street...i think i barkin up the right tree.
We will know fer sure after this weekends drags if it dont rain,i bet i go faster...but will it be the jets or ign.,,,too many changes at once :O!
I could always try the other jets again to be sure,,,only takes me 5 min to jet a j2 :)
Anyone got jets hints?
Thanks!
Good luck!
Randy H.
Maple Ridge B.C.
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 01:47:35 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Testing New O/S Install (Plain Text)

OK,

            Here's a test email to make sure that the Olds list won't get
bombarded with 5+ emails from me, to ensure that M$-LookOUT has been
appropriately set to plain text output.

 

Thanks,

 

- -Steve

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 07:13:38 -0400
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
Subject: Trans Cooler Plumbing

Just so I don't have to make a big mess trying to figure this out, which
one of 
the lines on the tranny (or on the radiator cooler as that's where I
would be 
working) is the pressure outlet and which is the return? 
And is it the same on the TH350 as on the TH400?

The pressure line is the bottom one.

The return line is the top one.  

This is for a T400, but the T350 should be the same.

HTH

Paul Tumolo
1970 442 Hardtop
OCA # 31967 

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:39:02 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Testing New O/S Install (Plain Text)

At Saturday, 10 July 2004, you wrote:

>OK,
>
>Here's a test email to make sure that the Olds list won't 
>get bombarded with 5+ emails from me......

.... dunno about that part; but....

>... to ensure that M$-LookOUT has been appropriately set 
>to plain text output.

... your post to the Columbia Group yesterday was html  ;o((((((

I'm using my ISP's webmail right now so can't tell whether you're 
presently in html.

Why don'tcha just dump that Outhouse thing and get a decent e-mailer 
like Eudora; then you'll never again hafta worry bout either sending 
in html, nor having yer addy book hijacked by some virus and yer 
machine made to send everybody annoying copies of it's infection 
every cupla hours  ;o\  ;o\  ;o\

SteveH



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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 08:50:28 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Trans Cooler Plumbing

At Saturday, 10 July 2004, you wrote:
>The pressure line is the bottom one.
>
>The return line is the top one.  
>
>This is for a T400, but the T350 should be the same.

According to a posting I found on the B*ick GNTType site quite awhile 
ago concerning 200-4Rs, it was said this is the case on ALL GM automatics:
top is outlet, bottom is inlet.

IIRC, however, it's just the opposite on the radiator cooler: bottom 
is the inlet, top is the outlet. But don't take my word on that. 
I do rember that when I checked this to hook up my new tranny cooler,
all I hadda do was make a foot-long sorta-U-shaped line to come 
outta the top outlet of the radiator cooler and run up front to the 
new tranny cooler, then a short, L-shaped line to connect the outlet 
of the new cooler to the original radiator-cooler-outlet line that 
takes fluid back to the tranny.

SteveH



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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:06:10 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: RE: Testing New O/S Install (Plain Text)

>>OK,

>>Here's a test email to make sure that the Olds list won't get bombarded 
>>with 5+ emails from me......

>.... dunno about that part; but....

>>... to ensure that M$-LookOUT has been appropriately set to plain text 
>>output.

>... your post to the Columbia Group yesterday was html  ;o((((((

Yeah, that's because it was a forwarded email.  I have M$-Lookout set to
plain text on all new emails though.


>I'm using my ISP's webmail right now so can't tell whether you're presently
in html.

>Why don'tcha just dump that Outhouse thing and get a decent e-mailer like
Eudora;
>then you'll never again hafta worry bout either sending in html, nor 
>having yer addy book hijacked by some virus and yer machine made to send
>everybody annoying copies of it's infection every cupla hours  ;o\  ;o\
;o\

>SteveH

I USED to have Eudora, and LOVED it.  My stinkin ISP (Direcway satellite,
'cuz I'm in the sticks and can't get cable of DSL) only uses M$ clients for
it's email usage.

I tried using Eudora when I first got hooked up to it but it didn't work.

Believe me, if I could get using Eudora again I would in a heartbeat...


Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html 

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:37:25 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: Autozone - free shipping - $29.99 GMB 130-1260P pumps!

Listed as Apora-New, part# D130-1260P (6 lbs each, so definitely aluminum bodied), current price $29.99 each.  Free shipping right now on orders over $75.
Just ordered two 130-1260P pumps and a pair of 5664 springs, $126.11 delivered incl sales tax.

Thought someone else might want to grab one or two, before they come to their senses.....

- -- 
Michael Ecker
Lehigh Acres, Florida
ecker567@comcast.net

1978 Cutlass Supreme - $500 purchase, being slowly fixed up
   (in line for V6-to-403 swap soon, and maybe 200-4R and gears...)

1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - becoming a circle track car
   (bought without title, had Certificate of Destruction so can never
    be re-registered, but will uphold the Oldsmobile name with honor)

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 09:56:30 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: RE: Autozone - free shipping - $29.99 GMB 130-1260P pumps!

Michael,

>Listed as Apora-New, part# D130-1260P (6 lbs each, so definitely aluminum
bodied),
>current price $29.99 each.  Free shipping right now on orders over $75.
>Just ordered two 130-1260P pumps and a pair of 5664 springs, $126.11
delivered incl sales tax.

>Thought someone else might want to grab one or two, before they come to
their senses.....

>Michael Ecker

What application is the pump for?

Thanx,

Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html 

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:01:50 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: '65 442 shifters

I have a '65 442 Muncie shifter.  There is more of a curve to the handle
than I remember them having.  Is there more than one type?  Like for bench
seats and bucket seats?

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:22:18 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: '65 442 shifters

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There is more of a curve to the handle
than I remember them having.  Is there more than one type?  Like for bench
seats and bucket seats?
YES

vinny
68 H/O

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:33:03 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Trans Cooler Plumbing

At Saturday, 10 July 2004, you wrote:

>At Saturday, 10 July 2004, you wrote:
>>The pressure line is the bottom one.
>>
>>The return line is the top one.  
>>
>>This is for a T400, but the T350 should be the same.
>
>According to a posting I found on the B*ick GNTType site 
>quite awhile ago concerning 200-4Rs, it was said this is 
>the case on ALL GM automatics:
"CC Apr 96
- - says all GM automatics, fluid out is bottom fitting, fluid in is top"

But *I* said:
>top is outlet, bottom is inlet.

My apologies, I stated it backwards and Paul had it right to begin with.

BTW, the above quote is from CarCraft, April 1996 issue.

SteveH



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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:40:25 -0400
From: SteveH <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Autozone - free shipping - $29.99 GMB 130-1260P pumps!

At Saturday, 10 July 2004, Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net> wrote:

>Listed as Apora-New, part# D130-1260P (6 lbs each, so 
>definitely aluminum bodied), current price $29.99 each. 
>Free shipping right now on orders over $75.

CAUTION.... just had a looksee, using my '88 fullsized wagon with 
307 for the vehicle, and got the following:
ASC WATER PUMP for a 1988 CHEVROLET CAPRICE
 
Unit Price:   $29.99 
Core Value*:   $0.00 
Part No.:   CWP-455HD 
Weight:   6.25 lbs. 
Warranty:   LLT 
Availability:     Online: Ships within 2 business days  
     Store: Special Order  
Note:

NONE
 
I dunno what this "CWP" is. I get the same listing using '84 H/O 
or '72 Cutlass as the vehicle. While is this likely the GMB pump,
that's not what these listings are saying now.

What's curious is that these prices are exactly the same as what 
I found a few weeks back when Willy Pyle asked me to have a looksee:
$29.99 for the aluminum pump versus $32.99 for the cast iron. But 
the descriptions said GMB, not ASC.

SteveH



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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:52:43 -0500
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: RE: '65 442 shifters

I've been looking for one.  Is it for sale?  I have a 66 and later Hurst
shifter for trade if interested.

- --
Eric Beaupre

Engineering
eServ LLC
8200 N Allen Rd
Peoria, IL 61615
ofc: 309-691-4957 X1034
fax: 309-691-4960
cel: 309-453-3895
eml: ebeaupre@eserv.biz

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Kurt
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 10:02 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: '65 442 shifters


I have a '65 442 Muncie shifter.  There is more of a curve to the handle
than I remember them having.  Is there more than one type?  Like for bench
seats and bucket seats?

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:43:54 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: RE: Testing New O/S Install (Plain Text)

At 09:06 AM 07/10/2004 -0500, Steve Reed wrote:
>>Why don'tcha just dump that Outhouse thing and get a decent e-mailer like
>Eudora;
>>then you'll never again hafta worry bout either sending in html, nor 
>>having yer addy book hijacked by some virus and yer machine made to send
>>everybody annoying copies of it's infection every cupla hours  ;o\  ;o\
>;o\
>
>>SteveH
>
>I USED to have Eudora, and LOVED it.  My stinkin ISP (Direcway satellite,
>'cuz I'm in the sticks and can't get cable of DSL) only uses M$ clients for
>it's email usage.

Wha?!  I would've guessed/assumed (and yes, I know that gets me in trouble)
that all you need was to enter the POP3 system names into Eudora, and that
was that.  The ISP as far as I know isn't supposed to know what client
you're using.... I think.

Gah, unless they've got some sorta oddball, do-it-our-way-or-else kinda
setup.  That sorta thing just pisses me off.

	- Joe "Eudora 3.1 Lite through Comcast" Vahabzadeh

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 11:46:59 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: RE: Testing New O/S Install (Plain Text)

Joe,

>>Why don'tcha just dump that Outhouse thing and get a decent e-mailer 
>>like
>Eudora;
>>then you'll never again hafta worry bout either sending in html, nor 
>>having yer addy book hijacked by some virus and yer machine made to 
>>send everybody annoying copies of it's infection every cupla hours  
>>;o\  ;o\
>;o\
>
>>SteveH
>
>I USED to have Eudora, and LOVED it.  My stinkin ISP (Direcway 
>satellite, 'cuz I'm in the sticks and can't get cable of DSL) only uses 
>M$ clients for it's email usage.

+++++++++++++++++++++
Wha?!  I would've guessed/assumed (and yes, I know that gets me in trouble)
that all you need was to enter the POP3 system names into Eudora, and that
was that.  The ISP as far as I know isn't supposed to know what client
you're using.... I think.

Gah, unless they've got some sorta oddball, do-it-our-way-or-else kinda
setup.  That sorta thing just pisses me off.

	- Joe "Eudora 3.1 Lite through Comcast" Vahabzadeh
+++++++++++++++++++++


A friend of mine in Philly was asking me how to access the newsgroups on the
'Net once he got cable (Comcast).  The same type of thing there as well,
Comcast only supports/allows M$'s Newsgroup reader, not a great one like
Forte's Agent.

Oh well, now back to the Olds talk!!

Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html 

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:01:07 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: Electric fan option

Found this item, price seems pretty good, style 40 should be a pretty 
good fit, and 2700 cfm should cool just about anything (other than 
something highly modified).

http://tinyurl.com/2zo4f

- -- 
Michael Ecker
Lehigh Acres, Florida
ecker567@comcast.net

1978 Cutlass Supreme - $500 purchase, being slowly fixed up
   (in line for V6-to-403 swap soon, and maybe 200-4R and gears...)

1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - becoming a circle track car
   (bought without title, had Certificate of Destruction so can never
    be re-registered, but will uphold the Oldsmobile name with honor)

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:14:18 -0500
From: "Eric Beaupre" <ebeaupre@eserv.biz>
Subject: Looking for someone knowledgeable about 65's

I have a 65 442 4spd convt and have some questions about my console and
dash.  If someone familiar with this year could answer a few questions that
would be great.  Or if someone knows where to find some interior pictures of
a 65 that would be nice too.

Thanks
Eric

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:21:45 -0700
From: "67Oldz" <67@oldsmobile.net>
Subject: Horsepower TV has 442

Anyone catch todays episode of Horsepower TV? They did some rear suspensiona
nd replaced a 350 with a 455 in a 442.

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:44:35 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: RE: Testing New O/S Install (Plain Text)

At 11:46 AM 7/10/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>A friend of mine in Philly was asking me how to access the 
>newsgroups on the 'Net once he got cable (Comcast).  The same 
>type of thing there as well, Comcast only supports/allows M$'s 
>Newsgroup reader, not a great one like Forte's Agent.

That's definitely NOT true. Our internet service is through comcast cable
modem. Comcast's default usenet server is Giganews. When I first began
using usenet awhile back, I started with Netscape's Communicator simply
because that's what I used to use a long time ago when I last used the
usenet. Had no problem at all.

Later, I discovered Xnews newsreader and again, no problem accessing
Giganews through Comcast. I've since tried half a dozen other newsreader
programs and never had a problem. I've even quit using Giganews because it
has this ridiculous 2 GB monthly download limit. All you hafta do is put
your username and password into the appropriate blocks in the newsreader
and away you go: Comcast takes you there no sweat.

But there ARE other "services" where I *think* that is true, such as
AOHell, WebTV, and possibly the DirecTV web-satellite thingy (whatever that
is) that Steve Reed has to use.

One of the worst things you can do is to use OE for your newsreader
(Netscape is just as bad but I've found very few using it on usenet these
days). OE not only does not conform to today's WWW standards but uses some
weird coding of its own that makes it incompatible with quite a few things,
including displaying YENC image files and, I believe, even refusing to
download RAR-compressed files that you'll find on some usenet sites. Xnews,
BinNews (?name?) and most modern newsreaders are far more advanced, with
many more and new features including automatic decoding and display of YENC
image files on the fly, just as if they were the old JPG format. BinNews
will even simultaneously download AND DISPLAY files from up to FOUR
newsgroups all at once  ============8-O  RAR files are just like ZIP
compression but IIRC, there's something that OE doesn't like about RAR that
prevents it from downloading RAR files without some kind of workaround.
Xnews and everything else simply downloads any binary file into whatever
directory you choose, where you use programs like WinRAR or anything else
of your choice to perform extraction and display. Xnews even strips out the
YENC image encoding in RAR compressed files  :o)

Anybody wants more info on Xnews, BinNews or the like, please try doing a
web search. Search for "newsreaders" and you'll find a dozen different
varieties.

SteveH

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 10:57:44 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Testing New O/S Install (Plain Text)

You know, I listen to all of this stuff, and don't understand the problem.
Yes, there's a bunch of other very good programs out there, but I *never*
have any trouble with MS Outlook Express or Internet Explorer. I just never
have any problem. My machine is even too old, built in 1997 originally and
rebuilt in 1999. I use Windows 98SE with Norton and Corel WordPerfect Suite
8. The word processing is my personal preference, since I don't like Word.
And maybe that's the whole issue. Different programs work in different ways,
people are all different, and personal preferences just happen to work
better with some programs than others.
:-)))

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 14:43:18 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: RE: Horsepower TV has 442

>Anyone catch todays episode of Horsepower TV?
>They did some rear suspension and replaced a 350 with a 455 in a 442.

Yeah I just watched it on my TiVo unit, after reading your post.  It's a
nice looking '69.  I definitely would have stuck with the original wheels
myself.

Those TV car show guys always crack me up in the way in which they 'Just
take this out, and put this back in' type of talk.  They don't tell you that
it'll take you an afternoon or so to do a rear end swap, or the drum to disc
conversion they showed.

They also. NEVER tell you the cost of the upgrade.  OK that's well fine and
dandy that the car has had some serious suspension and drive train upgrades,
but what I think would be real beneficial to the person who has a car
similar to what they are working on would be just that; a price tag.  I'm
guessing they dumped in about $12,000 in today's show.

I was REALLY shocked at how they removed the front springs by not using a
compressor, and just having a jack underneath the lower CTRL arm, and
lowering that to get the spring to 'just fall out'.

I also have never seen what the engine builder did by "Aligning the thrust
bearing" (After install of the crank, before torquing the main caps, he gave
the crankshaft counterweight a hit with the steel hammer back once, and then
forward once.  Then it looked like he had a pry bar, or screwdriver sitting
somewhere by a main, to push the crankshaft one way or the other before
torquing the main caps.



***  Has anyone ever "aligned a thrust bearing" like this?  I never have.
***

Just curious,


Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html 

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:02:38 -0400
From: John Livingston <johnliving@cox.net>
Subject: Electric fuel pump install

This is mainly for Steve Reed, since he posted the topic not too long 
ago. However, his ISP bounced my direct e-mail.

Steve,

Did you ever get your electric fuel pump installed? I'm thinking 
about putting one in myself and was wondering how it went. I looked 
at Summit for the Carter pumps Milton recommended and they mention a 
relay set up and oil pressure switch. Did you use either of those?

John
68 442 convt

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 16:33:00 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: Info from PartsAmerica.com regarding GMB water pump

Based on the message below, it is likely that the GMB pumps are being 
sold under the ASC and/or APORA labels per the discrepancy noted from 
Autozone's site.

- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	RE:'PartsAm=582-877'PartsAmerica.com Part Request
Date: 	Sat, 10 Jul 2004 13:15:17 -0700
From: 	Part Request <partrequest@partsamerica.com>
To: 	Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>



Dear Michael Ecker,

Thank you for visiting PartsAmerica.com and taking the time to contact us. 

It is the same part available from two different suppliers. We have several suppliers and sometimes there is duplicate coverage for the same part.

If you have any further questions please contact us via e-mail or toll free at 877.808.0698.  Thank you.

Sincerely,

Bob Gillis 
Parts Request Team 
www.partsamerica.com
(877)808-0698 Ext. 3897 


- -----Original Message-----
From:   Michael Ecker (ecker567@comcast.net)
Date:   Saturday, July 10, 2004  06:58 AM
To:   partrequest@partsamerica.com (partrequest@partsamerica.com)
Subject:  PartsAmerica.com Part Request

GMB performance water pump: -what is the difference between parts
130-1260P and D130-1260P (other than the $20 price difference)?  They both
show the same list price.  Thank you, Michael


- -- 
Michael Ecker
Lehigh Acres, Florida
ecker567@comcast.net

1978 Cutlass Supreme - $500 purchase, being slowly fixed up
   (in line for V6-to-403 swap soon, and maybe 200-4R and gears...)

1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - becoming a circle track car
   (bought without title, had Certificate of Destruction so can never
    be re-registered, but will uphold the Oldsmobile name with honor)

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 20:34:22 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: RE: Horsepower TV has 442

At 02:43 PM 7/10/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>I was REALLY shocked at how they removed the front springs by not 
>using a compressor, and just having a jack underneath the lower 
>CTRL arm, and lowering that to get the spring to 'just fall out'.

Usually, that's how easy it is. Putting in new, uncollapsed springs may
take some more gymnastics, though  ;o(((((

>I also have never seen what the engine builder did by "Aligning the thrust
>bearing"

That was what we more-often call "seating the thrust bearing". You shift
the crank back and forth to make certain the thrust bearing is seated
properly. Then you can measure the clearance to insure that's correct.

But I'd not hit the iron/steel crank with a STEEL hammer. Usually, a LEAD
hammer is used.

>Then it looked like he had a pry bar, or screwdriver sitting
>somewhere by a main, to push the crankshaft one way or the 
>other before torquing the main caps.

yup.

SteveH

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 15:51:29 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: RE: Electric fuel pump install

John,

+++++++++++++++
This is mainly for Steve Reed, since he posted the topic not too long ago.
However, his ISP bounced my direct e-mail.

Steve,

Did you ever get your electric fuel pump installed? I'm thinking about
putting one in myself and was wondering how it went. I looked at Summit for
the Carter pumps Milton recommended and they mention a relay set up and oil
pressure switch. Did you use either of those?

John
68 442 convt
+++++++++++++++

I didn't do the pump install just yet.  I ~just~ started a new job last
week, so within a few weeks I'll be able to start putting some $$ back into
the Cutlass project.

I was asking the questions and getting all the data I needed, so that when
time came I could do what was appropriate.


Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com/html/cars.html 

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:31:32 -0400
From: "Jay Britt" <jbritt67@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Info from PartsAmerica.com regarding GMB water pump

I recently bought one of the ASC pumps from Autozone for my 67 330. The
impeller didn't have enough clearance and would rub on the timing chain
cover when torqued down. After checking two others from their warehouse,
I gave up and used an AC Delco pump instead. 

Jay
- -----Original Message-----
Based on the message below, it is likely that the GMB pumps are being 
sold under the ASC and/or APORA labels per the discrepancy noted from 
Autozone's site.

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 18:35:57 -0400
From: "Jay Britt" <jbritt67@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Horsepower TV has 442

It was nice to see all that stuff being installed, but they should have
slowed it down a bit and spread it over two episodes. Did anyone catch
the problems with the aftermarket pulleys?. I guess they're used to
working with those easy to find Chevy parts.

Jay

- -----Original Message-----
Anyone catch todays episode of Horsepower TV? They did some rear
suspensiona nd replaced a 350 with a 455 in a 442.

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 22:54:12 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: RE: Info from PartsAmerica.com regarding GMB water pump

At 06:31 PM 7/10/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>I recently bought one of the ASC pumps from Autozone for my 67 330. The
>impeller didn't have enough clearance and would rub on the timing chain
>cover when torqued down. After checking two others from their warehouse,
>I gave up and used an AC Delco pump instead. 

IIRC, that was a common problem and the solution was just as easy: double
up the gaskets. The clearance problem is probably because of the impeller
design with the disk attached to its back side.

SteveH

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:29:58 -0400
From: <DaveS@Atlantic.net>
Subject: window regulators for a 1956 Olds

Hi my name is Dave Smith, Im new here. I just got on this mailing list
yesterday. Anyway, I have a 1956 Olds 88 two door hard top with out a post.
Im looking for window regulator's for my car. I need regulators for the
front an the back windows. My point is, is there any one that makes
reproduction window regulators for this year car, and if there isn't any
body that makes reporduction regulators is there someone out there that has
NOS regulators. Just so you all know I have gone to the junk yard and used
old Olds window Regulators, and there just as bad up and wore out as the
ones that I already have. And understand Chevy parts will not work, I have
tryed that! I most us Olds part here, Only Olds parts will work on a 1956
Olds? Can any one help me out. If you can help me out please e-mail me at
DaveS@Atlantic.net

 Thanks
Dave Smith
DaveS@Atlantic.net

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 19:59:07 -0400
From: "Roc88ket" <roc88ket@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: window regulators for a 1956 Olds

Dave,

I have a '53 and doubt anyone makes them. My suggestion would be to join the
local chapter and OCA. Have you tried Hemmings and ebay?

John Sanders

'53 88
'01 Aurora 4.0
In negotiation for a '03 Final 500 Aurora

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <DaveS@Atlantic.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: window regulators for a 1956 Olds


> Hi my name is Dave Smith, Im new here. I just got on this mailing list
> yesterday. Anyway, I have a 1956 Olds 88 two door hard top with out a
post.
> Im looking for window regulator's for my car. I need regulators for the
> front an the back windows. My point is, is there any one that makes
> reproduction window regulators for this year car, and if there isn't any
> body that makes reporduction regulators is there someone out there that
has
> NOS regulators. Just so you all know I have gone to the junk yard and used
> old Olds window Regulators, and there just as bad up and wore out as the
> ones that I already have. And understand Chevy parts will not work, I have
> tryed that! I most us Olds part here, Only Olds parts will work on a 1956
> Olds? Can any one help me out. If you can help me out please e-mail me at
> DaveS@Atlantic.net
>
>  Thanks
> Dave Smith
> DaveS@Atlantic.net
>
>

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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 17:55:18 -0700 (PDT)
From: kenneth treharn <kwt_1950@yahoo.com>
Subject: numbers matched info needed

Hello   Today we were having a few beers an a
discussion about numbers matching came up. The
questions is,  someone said the last 6 #'s on the vin
tag are also on the engine number pad, is this so or
is by the engine numbers, one can tell when the engine
was made and then you see when the car was built and
go from there?  Thanks, Ken


		
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Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2004 21:54:45 -0700
From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: numbers matched info needed

Ken:

Generally, you are correct. On my 71 442, there are enough digits from the 
vin transferred to the block that you can see the R for the assembly plant. 
 From that you can tell it was assembled in TX. Also, the vin derivative 
starts with 1, which can only be 1971 on a 455, since the weren't made in 
61 or 81. So, if you'd have my 455 out of the 442 all by itself, you could 
say it was a 71 455 that came in a car which was assembled in Tx. Hope this 
helps. If not, have some more beers. ;)

George

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