
oldsmobile-digest      Wednesday, June 23 2004      Volume 01 : Number 4928



RE: Dash Speaker(s)
Re: Dash Speaker(s)
OPG Dealings?
Anti-Fog safety glasses
Re: Turbo 200 Shifting at 4500RPM, what RPM is good
GMB performance aluminum water pump on sale....
Re: Anti-Fog safety glasses
auction parts seller
RE: Without Driving off a Cliff: Summary
RE: auction parts seller
67 Olds F-85 Fenders . Got any??
Re: Turbo 200 Shifting at 4500RPM, what RPM is good
Re: Dash Speaker(s)
Re: [OldsGmail] GMB performance aluminum water pump on sale....
Re: Anti-Fog safety glasses
Re: Turbo 200 Shifting at 4500RPM, what RPM is good
Re: auction parts seller
Re: Dash Speaker(s)
Re: Hey guys, I'm Kustomizing it...
Re: Dash Speaker(s)
Re: Anti-Fog safety glasses
Re: auction parts seller
Re: Anti-Fog safety glasses
Re: Anti-Fog safety glasses
Re: auction parts seller
Re: Turbo 200 Shifting at 4500RPM, what RPM is good
Re: GMB performance aluminum water pump on sale....
FW: auction parts seller
Testing 2
RE: auction parts seller
What's it worth?
RE: auction parts seller
NJ to Chicago Parts Transportation / '72 Vista Cruiser for sale
Re: NJ to Chicago Parts Transportation / '72 Vista Cruiser for sale
Re: Dyno Results Part Two
Re: Dyno Results Part Two
Dyno Results, Part Two

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:34:41 -0400
From: Cutlass7276@netscape.net
Subject: RE: Dash Speaker(s)

Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com> wrote:

>All,
>    What have some of you done for having tunes in your rides?  
>>>>>>>>>>>>
Hi Steve
I put the speakers under the seats in the 72 Cutlass convert.
The gurl in the passenger seat is Gauranteed to ask for more bass or turn it up :)
Good luck!
Play Safe!
Randy H.
Maple Ditch B.C.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:33:43 -0500
From: "JBS" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Dash Speaker(s)

I use replacement kickpanels in my 71(stored the originals) . I believe
CustomAutosound makes them.


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Reed" <ssreed@direcway.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 7:39 PM
Subject: Dash Speaker(s)


> All,
> What have some of you done for having tunes in your rides?  Right
> now my original doors are butchered for 6.5" speakers, but I don't know if
I
> want to hack up the new doors I get.
> I'm not looking for anything outrageous by any means, just something
> to listen to occasionally besides the rumbling of the 455.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve Reed
> '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
> '68 Cutlass Supreme
> Austin, TX
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com
>
>

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:37:18 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: OPG Dealings?

All,
	I was looking thru my OPG catalog tonight for some various little
knick-knacks I need, and I was curious to hear how their customer support
and sales staff are?
	I've never dealt with them, so let's hear any stories, good or bad.

Thanks,

Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme 
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:16:35 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: Anti-Fog safety glasses

All,
	I have a great set of 3M  bluish tinted safety glasses.  When I'm
not in a nice air conditioned environment, and sweating profusely, they will
always for up.
	Does any one know of a make of safety glasses that won't fog up from
my body heat & sweat?


Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme 
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com
	

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:46:09 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Turbo 200 Shifting at 4500RPM, what RPM is good

At 07:01 PM 06/22/2004 -0600, eric wrote:
>Thats interesting.  I have more lift, but I think the Duration was quite 
>close to stock specs.  It doesn't feel like it has any more HP after 
>4000, thats for sure.  The Cam guy said it would produce power up to 
>5000, but its peak would be lower.  My second to 3rd shift hits around 5000.

Wait, do you mean he said the peak would be at a lower RPM than stock, or
lower than 5000?

>
>I'd like a good GPS or something to graph the Acceleration.  It shifts 
>to 3rd at about 70mph, and the next 10-15 mph climb looks and feels 
>better than the previous.  With maximum Torque in the 2800 range, I'll 
>never see that shifting at 4500 or 5000.  A 3500 Shift brings me right 
>back in the Mid 2500 range (looking at the road, these are all 
>approxomates).

Well, that is probably normal if you're over your peak HP.  The thing
though is that if you were to shift EXACTLY at your peak HP, you'd be so
much lower than your peak in the next gear that it would hurt performance
somewhat.  Most of the musclecars I've had would accelerate well, then sort
of accelerate not-quite-as-well as they approached the upshift-point, then
increase their rate of acceleration upon upshifting at WOT.

>
>I'm guessing my Peak HP to be no more than 4000, if not a wee bit less.  
>I'm going to look more on Comp's site to see what they think, if they'll 
>say.

I'd have to refer back to my first question before speculating on this...

>
>The Fuel Pump and filter are new, Carb Sounds fine, and no noticeable 
>sounds of bad running occur at the High RPMS.
>
>AS FOR 1/4 M time:  I Got a stopwatch, and a roughed out measurement, 
>and I come at around 17.2 Seconds for a quarter, with a little squealing 
>off the line but otherwise good traction.  The takeoff feels great, but 
>the end result, and top end of < 100 is not what I think I should get 
>?????????  Can someone please comment on this, I'm expecting 15 or 16  ??

Not sure what gear ratio or weight of vehicle you have . . am I correct in
that it's a 1971 Cutlass?  If so, it does seem a bit on the slow side with
that time for the 1/4 mile.  Something's not quite right.


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:43:21 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: GMB performance aluminum water pump on sale....

Best price I've seen yet - $50.39:

http://www.partsamerica.com/PartDetails.asp?SourceArea=SHOP&SourcePage=SEARCHRESULTS&MfrCode=GMB&MfrPartNumber=D1301260P&PartType=54&PTSet=A

I'm seriously considering buying an extra one just to have on hand.

Michael Ecker

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:48:29 -0400 (EDT)
From: Stephen Amadei <stephen@amadei.com>
Subject: Re: Anti-Fog safety glasses

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004, Steve Reed wrote:

> 	I have a great set of 3M  bluish tinted safety glasses.  When I'm
> not in a nice air conditioned environment, and sweating profusely, they will
> always for up.
> 	Does any one know of a make of safety glasses that won't fog up from
> my body heat & sweat?

I wish I knew.  I bought a new set of safety glasses, and they worked fine
for hours or sweating until I wiped them clean.  Now they fog up in
minutes.  I suspect the residue or tiny scratches in the plastic allow fog
to form.

I was going to try using some Fog-X on them.  Or maybe, I will try to not
clean the next new set!

					----Steve
Stephen Amadei
<Your Company Here!> CTO/CSO
Brigantine Beach, NJ

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 20:16:33 -0700
From: "67Oldz" <67@oldsmobile.net>
Subject: auction parts seller

Has anyone here ever dealt with Del Bartness PO. Box 993 Leander Texas 78641
on e-b a_y ?
He doesnt want paypal.

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:25:36 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: RE: Without Driving off a Cliff: Summary

Eric,

[SNIP]

> 6) Distributor timing makes sense.  I've always ran mine 
> advanced and time by ear, but their must be a better way.  I 
> was told 10 degrees initial, but I'm far ahead of that....  
> What does everyone else do.  
> What is the specs for a 75 455 HEI.
> 
> Thanx again
> 
> Eric Aksomitis

This is what the guy who curved my HEI unit told me (Sorry for the caps...)

"STEVE THE DISTRIBUTORS CURVE STARTS ADVANCING @ 750 RPM AND HAS 20 DEGREES
IN AT 4200 RPM   TRY AN INITIAL TIMING OF 12 DEGREES AND GO FROM THERE  THE
VACUUM ADVANCE ADDS 10 DEGREES OF TIMING    THANKS HENRY @ OLES"

Of course there will be some dialing in of the engine to achieve the best
results, but this is what he told me to start with for use with my Engle
22-25 Camshaft.

Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme 
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:46:42 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: auction parts seller

It's not a crime not to have a PayPal account. Maybe he doesn't want to pay
their fees.


- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of 67Oldz
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:17 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: auction parts seller

Has anyone here ever dealt with Del Bartness PO. Box 993 Leander Texas 78641
on e-b a_y ?
He doesnt want paypal.

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 00:04:12 EDT
From: Rcktpwr2@aol.com
Subject: 67 Olds F-85 Fenders . Got any??

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Im looking for a price and location for 2 f-85 fenders.  
Or.............................should I try getting some front fender pieces to  have welded in? 
TIA,
 
  Bernie NJ

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 04:04:18 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Turbo 200 Shifting at 4500RPM, what RPM is good

At 07:01 PM 6/22/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>I'm going to proceed with the weights for now, see what it does.  Worst 
>that'll happen is I'm a bit to put them back to stock.

I was looking through my PAW's catalog today and noticed that B&M has
governor adjustment kits for most GM trannies. But for some reason, Summit,
Jegs and now PAW seem to have hardly ANYTHING for the 200-4R listed. I
wanted to find another tranny pan but there's nothing listed anywhere.

However, the B&M blurb did mention the 200C which is similar to the 200-4R
except plastic parts and only 3 speeds.

SteveH

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 04:00:40 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Dash Speaker(s)

At 07:39 PM 6/22/2004 -0500, you wrote:
>All,
>What have some of you done for having tunes in your rides? 
>Right now my original doors are butchered for 6.5" speakers, 
>but I don't know if I want to hack up the new doors I get.
>I'm not looking for anything outrageous by any means, just 
>something to listen to occasionally besides the rumbling of 
>the 455.

I greatly prefer the rumbling Olds rocket to any "tunes" :o)))))))))  In
fact, the last time I turned on a radio in any my cars was during the Great
Blackout of the East last year, and then just to find out how widespread it
really was.

SteveH

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 04:14:28 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: [OldsGmail] GMB performance aluminum water pump on sale....

At 10:43 PM 6/22/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Best price I've seen yet - $50.39:
>
>http://www.partsamerica.com/PartDetails.asp?SourceArea=SHOP&SourcePage=SEAR
CHRESULTS&MfrCode=GMB&MfrPartNumber=D1301260P&PartType=54&PTSet=A
>
>I'm seriously considering buying an extra one just to have on hand.

LAst weekend, I was quoted......   (are you all sitting down??).........

$29.99 for the GMB 130-1260P aluminum pump.

The cast iron 130-1260P version was MORE, at $32.99.

=====================8-O

So I just looked it up again right now and EL PRESTO: the 130-1260P price
has be adjusted up to $50.39 while the cast iron 130-1260 is DOWN to $24.39
 ;o\  ;o\  ;o\

Dunno what happened but looks like I missed the boat.... shudda gone and
bought a dozen of them for all my friends and naybores  ;o(((((((((((((((((

Steve   :o(((((((((  H

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 21:52:23 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Anti-Fog safety glasses

Steve,

> I have a great set of 3M  bluish tinted safety glasses.  When I'm
> not in a nice air conditioned environment, and sweating profusely, they
will
> always fog up.
> Does any one know of a make of safety glasses that won't fog up from
> my body heat & sweat?


I sure don't. If you find a cure for the problem, let me know.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:02:11 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Turbo 200 Shifting at 4500RPM, what RPM is good

> The thing
> though is that if you were to shift EXACTLY at your peak HP, you'd be so
> much lower than your peak in the next gear that it would hurt performance
> somewhat.  Most of the musclecars I've had would accelerate well, then
sort
> of accelerate not-quite-as-well as they approached the upshift-point, then
> increase their rate of acceleration upon upshifting at WOT.
>
> >
> >I'm guessing my Peak HP to be no more than 4000, if not a wee bit less.
> >I'm going to look more on Comp's site to see what they think, if they'll
> >say.


Generally speaking, and depending on the capability of the other components
in the engine, shift points should be something like this:

4500 maximum horsepower peak = 4800 shift point
5000 maximum horsepower peak = 5300 shift point
5500 maximum horsepower peak = 5400 shift point
6000 maximum horsepower peak = 6500 shift point

Also, I wouldn't rely on advertised mid-'70s horsepower at RPM numbers. They
were artificially low due to concerns about high insurance premiums and
Federal emissions and MPG ratings. I would put your car on a chassis dyno
and find out exactly what it does and tailor your shifting to what the dyno
says.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:05:24 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: auction parts seller

Or be subject to the spam that he will receive when PayPal sells his
personal info to the spammers. Both PayPal and eBay sold my personal info to
spammers.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 8:46 PM
Subject: RE: auction parts seller


> It's not a crime not to have a PayPal account. Maybe he doesn't want to
pay
> their fees.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of 67Oldz
> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2004 11:17 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: auction parts seller
>
> Has anyone here ever dealt with Del Bartness PO. Box 993 Leander Texas
78641
> on e-b a_y ?
> He doesnt want paypal.
>

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Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 22:08:55 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Dash Speaker(s)

Steve H.,

Right-on!

> I greatly prefer the rumbling Olds rocket to any "tunes" :o)))))))))  In
> fact, the last time I turned on a radio in any my cars was during the
Great
> Blackout of the East last year, and then just to find out how widespread
it
> really was.


Thunder doesn't have a radio and none of the radios in the '65 F-85 and the
'65 Vista cruiser work, while the '64 Cutlass has had her radio removed.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 01:21:08 -0400
From: AnTiCr0mBi@aol.com
Subject: Re: Hey guys, I'm Kustomizing it...

Nothing special...the system was on another A-body. After it bends down 90 degrees behind the rearend, it went 90 degreees straight out the back. I cut between the two 90's, rotated the bottom half out to the sides and cut it straight with a cutoff wheel as best I could. It didn't come close to interfereing with the tire.

All the after pictures are after I cut it off in front of the rearend and made turndowns. Thats why you dont see the pipe on the passenger side.

- -Eric Anderson

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:14:29 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Dash Speaker(s)

> I use replacement kickpanels in my 71(stored the originals) . I believe
> CustomAutosound makes them.

Kicks are the way to go. If you can't find storebought ones for your ride,
and you have some fiberglassing skills, I can point you to tutorials on how
to fabricate your own.

drc

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:17:41 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: Anti-Fog safety glasses

> Does any one know of a make of safety glasses that won't fog up from
> my body heat & sweat?

Nope. Maybe the spray antifog stuff that bikers use on helmet face masks
would work? I just keep wiping them.

drc

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 07:37:48 EDT
From: WlJam5@aol.com
Subject: Re: auction parts seller

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:28:55 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: Anti-Fog safety glasses

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In a message dated 6/22/2004 10:21:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
ssreed@direcway.com writes:

Does any  one know of a make of safety glasses that won't fog up from
my body heat  & sweat?



Drill three or four small holes 1/16 along the top on each lens (small  
enough to keep particles from getting through, large enough to allow air flow to  
prevent condensation).
 
 
 Bruce
75 Delta 88 Conv. (duals, of course)
72 Cutlass  Conv.
56 190 SL Conv.
92 Eldo

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:35:11 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Anti-Fog safety glasses

At 09:52 PM 6/22/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Steve,
>
>> I have a great set of 3M  bluish tinted safety glasses.  When I'm
>> not in a nice air conditioned environment, and sweating profusely, they
>will
>> always fog up.
>> Does any one know of a make of safety glasses that won't fog up from
>> my body heat & sweat?
>
>
>I sure don't. If you find a cure for the problem, let me know.

Does the old diver's trick of spitting in them, then rinsing them with
water, work?? You'd hafta let em air-dry or carefully wipe them with soft
tissue....  Never tried it. I have a pair of el Cheapo throwaways I get
from work, plastic, non-tinted, but haven't worn them often enough to have
them fog up. I wear glasses anyhow so don't always wear the safety ones.
But old eyes are a-changing meaning often, I hafta take off the glasses to
see anything nowadays  ;o((((

SteveH

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:41:16 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: auction parts seller

At 10:05 PM 6/22/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Or be subject to the spam that he will receive when PayPal sells his
>personal info to the spammers. Both PayPal and eBay sold my personal info to
>spammers.

That's why you should set up a separate yahooie account for each of those
kinds of "registrations". Then you can tell which one sells the most  ;o\
;o\  ;o\

SteveH

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:39:43 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: Turbo 200 Shifting at 4500RPM, what RPM is good

At 10:02 PM 6/22/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Also, I wouldn't rely on advertised mid-'70s horsepower at RPM numbers. They
>were artificially low due to concerns about high insurance premiums and
>Federal emissions and MPG ratings. I would put your car on a chassis dyno
>and find out exactly what it does and tailor your shifting to what the dyno
>says.

.... Also note that RARELY did they EVER make the claim that was the actual
peak horsepower/torque. They just gave some numbers and didn't tell what
they were. So I always wondered if they simply picked a hp/torque off some
curve and state it just to be stating a hp/torque. It could have been long
BEFORE the peak. In that manner, for example, you could specify the exact
same engine to look like a fambly-car engine: 325 hp @ 4000 rpm, and again
as a 442 engine: 385 hp @ 5000 rpm.

SteveH

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:55:32 -0400
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: GMB performance aluminum water pump on sale....

Hey Michael,
  that is a great price, but what will it fit? 
john  67 cutlass supreme

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 08:26:27 -0500
From: Steve Reed <ssreed@direcway.com>
Subject: FW: auction parts seller

> Has anyone here ever dealt with Del Bartness PO. Box 993 
> Leander Texas 78641 on e-b a_y ?
> He doesnt want paypal.

No I haven't but, Leander is only 10 minutes away from me.  Do you want me
to go take a look at the part and get you digital pictures or anything
first?

Steve Reed
'96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
'70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
'68 Cutlass Supreme 
Austin, TX
http://www.sreed.0catch.com

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:45:46 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Testing 2

testing chebucto signature

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 06:55:33 -0700
From: "67Oldz" <67@oldsmobile.net>
Subject: RE: auction parts seller

I already won the auction.
:(
I figure Im just going to risk it. Send a money order.
He has good feedback ... Only 1 out of almost 600 is negative.
Thnx for the offer! 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve Reed [mailto:ssreed@direcway.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 6:26 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Cc: 67@oldsmobile.net
> Subject: FW: auction parts seller
> 
> > Has anyone here ever dealt with Del Bartness PO. Box 993 
> Leander Texas 
> > 78641 on e-b a_y ?
> > He doesnt want paypal.
> 
> No I haven't but, Leander is only 10 minutes away from me.  
> Do you want me to go take a look at the part and get you 
> digital pictures or anything first?
> 
> Steve Reed
> '96 9C1 Chevy Caprice
> '70 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop
> '68 Cutlass Supreme
> Austin, TX
> http://www.sreed.0catch.com
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 09:19:05 -0500
From: "Clark, Pat" <PClark@Ignition.com>
Subject: What's it worth?

I am slowly moving towards maybe, just maybe, selling my 69 442(Got number
two baby on the way). I am curious as to what I should be asking for it. I
haven't looked into the selling prices of these cars lately. Its a 69 442
auto Holiday coupe.
GOOD STUFF:
2 year old paint-Pewter ext/black int. Rechromed front and rear bumpers, all
new weatherstrip. Rebuilt eng and trans 5 years ago (about 10K on them, new
windshield, rebuilt front end last month. Has 400 G block in it. T/A
radials. New carpet and door panels (front). Pristine black dash (no
cracks). Trunk restored.
BAD STUFF:
A/C not working
Steering wheel cracked up
Seats cracked and split badly (hidden under cheap covers)
Have new rear int panels (not installed)
Still has gold seatbelts
No rear deck panels
no headliner
Crappy radio (dash not cut for it)

Extra Parts:
69 (Rally-Pac needs rebuilt)
Black interior seat plastics
Build sheet
Shop manual

Any advice from anyone on starting price? I can't find any in the paper
here, and looking at an AutoTrader and such gives me wild price swings.

Thanks,



Pat Clark
IGNITION INC.
P 972-516-8700
F 972-516-8690

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 14:29:50 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: auction parts seller

>I already won the auction.
>:(
>I figure Im just going to risk it. Send a money order.
>He has good feedback ... Only 1 out of almost 600 is negative.

He's also using an actual Post Office Box rather than a Mailboxes Etc./UPS 
Store maildrop, meaning that he had to show actual ID to the USPS to set it 
up. Given that and the feedback you noted, he's probably on the up-and-up.

- -- Andy

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 10:01:25 -0500
From: SKammerer@alberto.com
Subject: NJ to Chicago Parts Transportation / '72 Vista Cruiser for sale

Hello List,

1)  I puchased an engine and transmission from Gene in th Atlantic City, NJ
area.  I need to get transport this stuff to the Chicago area.  The engine is on
a rolling dolly.  Anybody with room to spare making this trip anytime in the
near future?

2)  For Sale:  1972 Vista Cruiser,  Complete.

455 4bbl, with Holley carb I have a correct carb to be installed
Dual Exhaust, Original exhaust manifolds,
Disc Brakes
P/B, P/S, P/W, PDL
Body/ Interior Fair, only major rust in spare wheel well area, have original
replacement of this section,
Some rust through around the roof glass.
Runs, Drives -  Haven't started it this year, though.
Located in Chicago area.

Any leads for either would be appreciated!

Thanks,  Steve K.

I apologize in advance for the spamesque content.

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:47:33 -0400
From: "David Popadic" <davepopadic@core.com>
Subject: Re: NJ to Chicago Parts Transportation / '72 Vista Cruiser for sale

How much for the vista cruiser?

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hello List,
> 
> 1)  I puchased an engine and transmission from Gene in th Atlantic 
City, NJ
> area.  I need to get transport this stuff to the Chicago area.  The 
engine is on
> a rolling dolly.  Anybody with room to spare making this trip anytime 
in the
> near future?
> 
> 2)  For Sale:  1972 Vista Cruiser,  Complete.
> 
> 455 4bbl, with Holley carb I have a correct carb to be installed
> Dual Exhaust, Original exhaust manifolds,
> Disc Brakes
> P/B, P/S, P/W, PDL
> Body/ Interior Fair, only major rust in spare wheel well area, have 
original
> replacement of this section,
> Some rust through around the roof glass.
> Runs, Drives -  Haven't started it this year, though.
> Located in Chicago area.
> 
> Any leads for either would be appreciated!
> 
> Thanks,  Steve K.
> 
> I apologize in advance for the spamesque content.
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:47:19 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Dyno Results Part Two

 

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:40:11 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Dyno Results Part Two

hmmm...???

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: <NUOLDSMAN@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2004 11:47 AM
Subject: Re: Dyno Results Part Two


> 

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Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 12:44:37 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Dyno Results, Part Two

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I finally got my new engine to the dyno and have the results.  For anyone 
thinking about getting an engine dyno'd, I have a few suggestions.  Thanks to 
Paul Tumulo for some of them.  
Have your engine READY to dyno.  See if the shop can take your engine a day 
or so early to have it ready to go when your appointed time comes.  Take your 
own gas if they don't supply it.  Use the same gas you plan to run in the car.  
Take some earplugs, as you will need them.  Bring a notebook to keep track of 
what was done on each run so you have all the information afterwards.  Make 
sure that your distributor is curved to your cam specs.  I changed the timing 
on mine several times in order to get the best horsepower and torque readings, 
plus I changed the jets a few times as well.  I also changed carburetors, air 
filters and a couple of other items.  If you don't note the changes each time, 
you won't remember what was done afterwards.  I found out that my engine 
likes a lot of timing and that timing is critical to overall performance.  I also 
found out that the addition of a K & N airfilter in an OE aircleaner base 
didn't make a whole lot of difference in the numbers.  The engine is a .060 over 
455 with highly ported Edelbrock aluminum heads, Arias flat top pistons, forged 
steel crank, Port-O-Sonic intake, 870 Holley, Engle 25/28 cam, Milodon 
oversized oilpan and gear drive setup, and oiling system mods.  Here are some of the 
dyno results:

RPM             TORQUE      POWER      BSFC
BAND            Ft.-Lbs             HP          # / HP-Hr
3000                483.9               276.3           .194      
4000                534.9               407.3           .356      
4100                539.2               420.9           .37
5000                503.6               479.4           .42 
5200                501.0               495.3           .42
       My best HP reading was right at 500 and best torque was 519.  I ended 
up running at 40 degrees total timing, which is all in by 3,000.  These 
numbers were all gotten using my old set of 1 5/8 inch headers, which WON'T be used 
in the car, as I have a new set of 2 inch Hooker Super Comps, which will be 
used in the car.  I couldn't install the Hookers on the engine while it was on 
the dyno.  I figure I will realize a 15-25 Horsepower increase with the new 
headers and richer jets.
       Overall I was happy with the engine's performance, and I want to 
personally thank the builder, John Palmberger, who is also the president of my 
local Oldsmobile Club.  John accompanied me to the dyno shop, and I think he had 
more fun than I did.  The engine worked perfectly and sounded great.  I 
installed it in the car last night and am taking it to a muffler shop tonight for a 
complete new system.  It will get 3.5 X 3 inch collectors into 3 inch V Force 
mufflers.  I'm using 2.5 inch mandrel bent tailpipes and finishing with 2.5 
inch stainless steel trumpets.  I'm hoping to get it to the track this week for a 
test and tune session, then maybe go to Joe Mondello's Nationals in Byron 
over the weekend, but that is doubtful at this point, as I'm scheduled to work.  
       I would like to echo what Paul said after he got his engine dyno'd a 
few weeks ago.  Anyone that has a substantial amount of money tied up in a new 
motor should look into having it dyno'd.  My session cost me $500, which is a 
lot of money, but it's a drop in the bucket if you tear something up in your 
new engine while trying to break in the cam, or in it's initial stages, and 
have to start all over.  Plus you know exactly what kind of numbers your engine 
will make and you eliminate all the guesswork.  Hope this wasn't too long or 
too boring.  Maybe some will get something out of it.
Steve D  

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5200&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;     5=
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t of 1 5/8 inch headers, which WON'T be used in the car, as I have a new set=
 of 2 inch Hooker Super Comps, which will be used in the car.&nbsp; I couldn=
't install the Hookers on the engine while it was on the dyno.&nbsp; I figur=
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 jets.<BR>
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erformance, and I want to personally thank the builder, John Palmberger, who=
 is also the president of my local Oldsmobile Club.&nbsp; John accompanied m=
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 worked perfectly and sounded great.&nbsp; I installed it in the car last ni=
ght and am taking it to a muffler shop tonight for a complete new system.&nb=
sp; It will get 3.5 X 3 inch collectors into 3 inch V Force mufflers.&nbsp;=20=
I'm using 2.5 inch mandrel bent tailpipes and finishing with 2.5 inch stainl=
ess steel trumpets.&nbsp; I'm hoping to get it to the track this week for a=20=
test and tune session, then maybe go to Joe Mondello's Nationals in Byron ov=
er the weekend, but that is doubtful at this point, as I'm scheduled to work=
.&nbsp; <BR>
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er he got his engine dyno'd a few weeks ago.&nbsp; Anyone that has a substan=
tial amount of money tied up in a new motor should look into having it dyno'=
d.&nbsp; My session cost me $500, which is a lot of money, but it's a drop i=
n the bucket if you tear something up in your new engine while trying to bre=
ak in the cam, or in it's initial stages, and have to start all over.&nbsp;=20=
Plus you know exactly what kind of numbers your engine will make and you eli=
minate all the guesswork.&nbsp; Hope this wasn't too long or too boring.&nbs=
p; Maybe some will get something out of it.<BR>
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