
oldsmobile-digest       Thursday, July 22 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4961



Re: The Last Olds built, and one of the 1st... is here at the Museum.
Re: Build sheet option descriptions -  was: Re: SX value and performance opinions wanted
Re: The Last Olds built, and one of the 1st... is here at the Museum.
Re: dilemma - to rebody or repair
A/C PArts cross-reference
RE: A/C PArts cross-reference
RE: OFFER FOR YOUR/455 Oldsmobile RACING ENGINE.
Recent" engine sale offer" fwd'd to the list for amusement
Re: The Last Olds built, and one of the 1st... is here at the Museum.
RE: OFFER FOR YOUR/455 Oldsmobile RACING ENGINE.
Re: Recent" engine sale offer" fwd'd to the list for amusement
Re: Recent" engine sale offer" fwd'd to the list for amusement
Re: Recent" engine sale offer" fwd'd to the list for amusement
Re: Ford 289 valve Seals (Again)
Re: A/C PArts cross-reference
Re: SX value and performance opinions wanted
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #4960
Re: Diesels And Serpentine Belt Drives
R134a conversion... unexpectedly good?!
Re: SX value and performance opinions wanted

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:54:24 -0700
From: Scott Alfter <scott@alfter.us>
Subject: Re: The Last Olds built, and one of the 1st... is here at the Museum.

On Thu, Jul 22, 2004 at 11:31:46AM -0400, Christopher Witt wrote:
> "No flash pictures allowed"
> therefore I got no pictures.
> What's up with "no flash pictures" anyhow? Gonna damage the leather or 
> something?

Art museums tend to disallow flash...some other types of museums as well,
but especially art museums.  The flash output includes a significant amount
of UV, which tends to damage exhibits (it all adds up).  That's why the
flash window on your camera turns yellow over time.

Any decent camera should let you take decent pictures without flash.  The
longer exposure time means you need to take more care to hold the camera
still (maybe you can rest the camera on a railing or lean up against a
wall), but you should be able to do handheld shots as long as 1/15 s without
much difficulty.  I actually prefer taking pictures without flash whenever
possible...it looks more natural.

  _/_  Scott Alfter (scott@alfter.us)
 / v \ '77 Cutlass Supreme Brougham
(IIGS( http://alfter.us/            Top-posting!
 \_^_/ rm -rf /bin/laden            >What's the most annoying thing on Usenet?

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:37:07 -0400
From: Robert Barry <rbarry@postoffice.providence.edu>
Subject: Re: Build sheet option descriptions -  was: Re: SX value and performance opinions wanted

At 12:38 PM 7/22/2004, you wrote:
>I noticed a couple of interesting things on your build sheet. My '70 Supreme
>had some of the same options, but they are labeled differently from yours.
>
>Your build sheet:
>  N10 - W32 Dual Exh
>  D55 - W26 Console
>  W26 - D/Gate Console
>
>My build sheet:
>  N10 - Dual Exh
>  D55 - Frt. Compartment Console
>  W26 - D/Gate Console
>
>Maybe the console codes are like that because mine was a Supreme and the 
>console
>was standard equipment, with the W26 Dual Gate as an added option. I have 
>noticed
>the SX has the "S" emblem on the hood tooth, so maybe this means it does 
>not have
>the same standard equipment as the Supreme models, and maybe the console 
>was an
>option to start with. ??

The console was not standard on the Supreme, though bucket-seats were 
(bench-seats were a credit option). It is odd how they listed options 
differently, but that could just be the way they printed them out at 
different factories, or how the components of the W32 option were specified?

I think some things that were ordinary options on some cars were part of 
the W32 option package on other cars, and there might be a reason the 
computer spat them out with different codings.


_______________________________________
Bob Barry  MailTo:rbarry@providence.edu
http://home.off-road.com/~wagoneer/ 

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:26:29 +0000
From: 62oldsfan@comcast.net
Subject: Re: The Last Olds built, and one of the 1st... is here at the Museum.

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> VIN = 1G3NF 52E84 C243165
Vehicle build info says it's a W33 - "Alero GLS conversion"
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 11:36:48 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: dilemma - to rebody or repair

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Steve,
agreed, not trying to start a flame war either.  But there are multiple items wrong with specifics in your reply as it relates to my specific situation.
 
 
 
        You are both wrong on this.  Imagine what would happen to you 
if you 
took your newly VIN'ed, nicely restored W 31 into any highway Patrol 
station 
in the country and tried to get them to verify it so you could get tags 
for it. 
 "Yes officer, I would like to get my car inspected, and oh, by the 
way, I 
put a new VIN tag on it because my old car was too rusted out to fix."  
What do 
you think is going to happen to you?  Your car?  You are going to jail 
and the 
car would be impounded.  It is not legal to change VIN's on any car for 
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what's going to happen is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!   How do I know this, simple.  I've already applied for an IL title (originally IN, which prior to IN was IL).  Now a disclaimer, what ever the law says I must do and what I actually did are probably two different things.  But I've done this within the last year with regards to a 99 GMC Sierra pickup, 70 Olds F-85 and now a 69 Cutlass S.  I took my IN title (except in the case of the truck as the credit union had it because of a lien) and filled out my paperwork to apply for an IL title.  I then filled out a vehicle tax form.  The BMV auditor verified the numbers on the title matched the numbers I wrote on the forms.  AT NO TIME WAS A POLICE OFFICIER INVOLVED IN VERIFYING VINS ON CARS (wherever they may or may not be) AND VINS ON TITLES.  Months later I received the title for the truck (Secretary of State screwed this up by not putting the lien back on title) and title for the F-85.  3 weeks ago I applied for the 69 Cutlass title in
 IL, so I haven't received it yet.  So to answer the rest of you questions, I'm not in jail, my car is not impounded and nothing has or ever will happen.  And any time now, I should be receiving my IL license plates for said 69 Cutlass.
Now to add something that relates more closely to your experience Steve.  When I first purchased the W-31, I was living in IN and the car was titled in IL.  When I applied for my IN title, I had to have a police officer come over and verify the vin on the dash of the car (in this specific instance) matched the vin on the title.  The police officer signed a form stating such and gave it to me to take to the local BMV where I applied for my IN title and personlized plate.  PERIOD, END OF STORY!!!!!  again, no checks of alleged vin stampings anywhere on the car whether they may or may not be there.  The EXACT same thing happened when I purchased the 72 S from Don Sowers.  Well, almost exact.  I drove the car to the local BMV, a BMV employee at the branch walked out to the car and verified that the vin on the dash (again in this particular instance) matched the vin on the KY title.  Forms were processed and I was issued an IN title along with license plates.  Now granted every state has
 a completely different process, but these are what I have experienced first hand in IL and IN with ANY vehicle, not just older ones.  Remember, my truck came from IN to IL
 

own this car forever.  I will say that situations change, things change 
and 
priorities change, and that one day you may decide to sell the car.  
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completely agree.  who knows what the future will hold.
 
 
Are you 
going to tell the perspective buyer that it's a fake W 31 and sell it 
for half 
of what a real W 31 would sell for?  Most people wouldn't, as the 
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Now here is where I have an issue.  HOW is the car a fake??????  Please someone, ANYONE explain to me how the car is a fake and what the difference is if, for discussion purposes, the car is rebodied versus replacing 99% of the sheetmetal on the existing shell????  In both instances, the vin on the dash matches the vin on the title.  From a collector car person standpoint, the vin derivative stamping on the block and tranny match the vin on the dash, which matches the vin on the title.  Is it a fake???  It's got the correct carb, air cleaner, W31 grease pencil marks on the inner fenders (not all W cars had these), I have the W-31 specific balancer and the original pistons that were removed from the engine since it had to be bored 30 over.  How is the car still a fake?
 
Now lets assume I had a plain jain 69 Cutlass S, that I decided to rebody and then ADD all the W-31 specific parts.  I represent the car as a W-31.  THEN the car is a fake and IF I sell it and IF it gets back to me, I have committed fraud and THEN I go to jail.  but this is starting with something that is NOT a W-31 as it left the factory.
 
I'm just trying to find out at what point is the car a) not original anymore and therefore why someone would not consider it a W-31 b) why someone would consider the car a fake when it is infact a W-31 that has had a MAJOR restoration (ie replacing 99% of the sheetmetal on the existing shell).
 
signed,
confused and perplexed in Chicago

		
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<DIV>Steve,</DIV>
<DIV>agreed, not trying to start a flame war either.&nbsp; But there are multiple items wrong with specifics in your reply as it relates to my specific situation.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You are both wrong on this.&nbsp; Imagine what would happen to you <BR>if you <BR>took your newly VIN'ed, nicely restored W 31 into any highway Patrol <BR>station <BR>in the country and tried to get them to verify it so you could get tags <BR>for it. <BR> "Yes officer, I would like to get my car inspected, and oh, by the <BR>way, I <BR>put a new VIN tag on it because my old car was too rusted out to fix."&nbsp; <BR>What do <BR>you think is going to happen to you?&nbsp; Your car?&nbsp; You are going to jail <BR>and the <BR>car would be impounded.&nbsp; It is not legal to change VIN's on any car for </DIV>
<DIV>------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>what's going to happen is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!!!&nbsp;&nbsp; How do I know this, simple.&nbsp; I've already applied for an IL title (originally IN, which prior to IN was IL).&nbsp; Now a disclaimer, what ever the law says I must do and what I actually did are probably two different things.&nbsp; But I've done this within the last year with regards to a 99 GMC Sierra pickup, 70 Olds F-85 and now a 69 Cutlass S.&nbsp; I took my IN title (except in the case of the truck as the credit union&nbsp;had it because of a lien) and filled out my paperwork to apply for an IL title.&nbsp; I then filled out&nbsp;a vehicle tax form.&nbsp; The BMV auditor verified the numbers on the title matched the numbers I wrote on the forms.&nbsp; AT NO TIME WAS A POLICE OFFICIER INVOLVED IN VERIFYING VINS ON CARS (wherever they may or may not be) AND VINS ON TITLES.&nbsp; Months later I received the title for the truck (Secretary of State screwed this up by not putting the lien back on title) and title
 for the F-85.&nbsp; 3 weeks ago I applied for the 69 Cutlass title in IL, so I haven't received it yet.&nbsp; So to&nbsp;answer the rest of you questions, I'm not in jail, my car is not impounded and nothing has or ever will happen.&nbsp; And any time now, I should be receiving my IL license plates for said 69 Cutlass.</DIV>
<DIV>Now to add something that relates more closely to your experience Steve.&nbsp; When I first purchased the W-31, I was living in IN and the car was titled in IL.&nbsp; When I applied for my IN title, I had to have a police officer come over and verify the vin on the dash of the car (in this specific instance) matched the vin on the title.&nbsp; The police officer signed a form stating such and gave it to me to take to the local BMV where I applied for my IN title and personlized plate.&nbsp; PERIOD, END OF STORY!!!!!&nbsp; again, no checks of alleged vin stampings anywhere on the car whether they may or may not be there.&nbsp; The EXACT same thing happened when I purchased the 72 S from Don Sowers.&nbsp; Well, almost exact.&nbsp; I drove the car to the local BMV, a&nbsp;BMV employee&nbsp;at the branch walked out to the car and verified that the vin on the dash (again in this particular instance) matched the vin on the KY title.&nbsp; Forms were processed and I was issued an IN
 title along with license plates.&nbsp; Now granted every state has a completely different process, but these are what I have experienced first hand in IL and IN with ANY vehicle, not just older ones.&nbsp; Remember, my truck came from IN to IL</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><BR>own this car forever.&nbsp; I will say that situations change, things change <BR>and <BR>priorities change, and that one day you may decide to sell the car.&nbsp; <BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>completely agree.&nbsp; who knows what the future will hold.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Are you <BR>going to tell the perspective buyer that it's a fake W 31 and sell it <BR>for half <BR>of what a real W 31 would sell for?&nbsp; Most people wouldn't, as the <BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>Now here is where I have an issue.&nbsp; HOW is the car a fake??????&nbsp; Please someone, ANYONE explain to me how the car is a fake and what the difference is if, for discussion purposes, the car is rebodied versus replacing 99% of the sheetmetal on the existing shell????&nbsp; In both instances, the vin on the dash matches the vin on the title.&nbsp; From a collector car person standpoint, the vin derivative stamping on the block and tranny match the vin on the dash, which matches the vin on the title.&nbsp; Is it a fake???&nbsp; It's got the correct carb, air cleaner, W31 grease pencil marks on the inner fenders (not all W cars had these), I have the W-31 specific balancer and the original pistons that were removed from the engine since it had to be bored 30 over.&nbsp; How is the car still a fake?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Now lets assume I had a plain jain 69 Cutlass S, that I decided to rebody and then ADD all the W-31 specific parts.&nbsp; I represent the car as a W-31.&nbsp; THEN the car is a fake and IF I sell it and IF it gets back to me, I have committed fraud and THEN I go to jail.&nbsp; but this is starting with something that is NOT a W-31 as it left the factory.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I'm just trying to find out at what point is the car a) not original anymore and therefore why someone would not consider it a W-31&nbsp;b) why someone would consider the car a fake when it is infact a W-31 that has had a MAJOR restoration (ie replacing 99% of the sheetmetal on the existing shell).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>signed,</DIV>
<DIV>confused and perplexed in Chicago</DIV><p>
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:42:07 -0500
From: "Clark, Pat" <PClark@Ignition.com>
Subject: A/C PArts cross-reference

Looking to rebuild my 69 442's A/C system. Of course, a lot of places have
no listings for Oldsmobile, but every listing for Chevrolet. I am sure that
most of the components are the same between the Chevelle and the 442. Does
anyone know if I bought the compressor, dryer etc. for a 69 Chevelle would
they interchange?

Thanks,


Pat Clark
IGNITION INC.
P 972-516-8700
F 972-516-8690

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:03:04 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: RE: A/C PArts cross-reference

acdelco.com

You can type in a part number and it will tell you every application that it
fits.

John Nasta



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From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Clark, Pat
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:42 PM
To: OLDS LIST (E-mail)
Subject: A/C PArts cross-reference

Looking to rebuild my 69 442's A/C system. Of course, a lot of places have
no listings for Oldsmobile, but every listing for Chevrolet. I am sure that
most of the components are the same between the Chevelle and the 442. Does
anyone know if I bought the compressor, dryer etc. for a 69 Chevelle would
they interchange?

Thanks,


Pat Clark
IGNITION INC.
P 972-516-8700
F 972-516-8690

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:02:36 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: OFFER FOR YOUR/455 Oldsmobile RACING ENGINE.

Hello,
We have a customer interested in purchasing your RACING ENGINE for the
price of $5,500.
Please acknowledge our offer and indicate the present position of the
item (send pictures in different views so we can access the face value
of the order)
On comfirmation we will  instruct the buyer, to have the funds remitted
to your account as soon as possible. We will arrange a pick up of the
(item ), once payment is confirmed by you the seller.
Thanks,
JAMES
===============
James- Not a problem- how many pictures do you want?
I look forward to doing business with you
I prefer that the buyer take care of all shipping arrangements.

Olds Listreaders- sound familiar?
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:05:25 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Recent" engine sale offer" fwd'd to the list for amusement

Gee, I wonder if by ANY CHANCE the feller will offer to pay me with a 
"cashier's check" for "too much money"

Since I do not currently have a $5000 engine for sale...

Say, any of you have pics I can borrow of a really nice looking built 
engine?
Brand probably does not even matter, Ch*vy, Buick, whatever.

Maybe I can get this doofus to send me a faux check and then dangle him 
along for a week or 3.
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Chris Witt
1303 W. Miller Rd.
Lansing MI 48911

RocketScience442@hotmail.com

Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 15:22:28 EDT
From: JonKrisInc@aol.com
Subject: Re: The Last Olds built, and one of the 1st... is here at the Museum.

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In a message dated 7/22/2004 12:59:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time,  
scott@alfter.us writes:

No flash  pictures allowed"
> therefore I got no pictures.
> What's up with  "no flash pictures" anyhow? Gonna damage the leather or 
>  something?



They probably SELL pictures there.

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:32:51 -0500
From: "Mike Schlottman" <mschlott@spe.org>
Subject: RE: OFFER FOR YOUR/455 Oldsmobile RACING ENGINE.

Hey Chris,  you may want to take a look at this page to give you some
ideas for dealing with these guys.

http://www.419eater.com

    mike 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Witt [mailto:rocketscience442@hotmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:03 PM
> To: carlinkautos2004@yahoo.com
> Subject: RE: OFFER FOR YOUR/455 Oldsmobile RACING ENGINE.
> 
> Hello,
> We have a customer interested in purchasing your RACING 
> ENGINE for the price of $5,500.
> Please acknowledge our offer and indicate the present 
> position of the item (send pictures in different views so we 
> can access the face value of the order) On comfirmation we 
> will  instruct the buyer, to have the funds remitted to your 
> account as soon as possible. We will arrange a pick up of the 
> (item ), once payment is confirmed by you the seller.
> Thanks,
> JAMES
> ===============
> James- Not a problem- how many pictures do you want?
> I look forward to doing business with you I prefer that the 
> buyer take care of all shipping arrangements.
> 
> Olds Listreaders- sound familiar?
> ----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
> 
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
> 
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 14:45:37 -0500
From: "JBS" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: Re: Recent" engine sale offer" fwd'd to the list for amusement

send them this... see if they get the joke?
http://www.426-hemi.com/hemi/pics/hemiplas.jpg


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From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:05 PM
Subject: Recent" engine sale offer" fwd'd to the list for amusement


> Gee, I wonder if by ANY CHANCE the feller will offer to pay me with a 
> "cashier's check" for "too much money"
> 
> Since I do not currently have a $5000 engine for sale...
> 
> Say, any of you have pics I can borrow of a really nice looking built 
> engine?
> Brand probably does not even matter, Ch*vy, Buick, whatever.
> 
> Maybe I can get this doofus to send me a faux check and then dangle him 
> along for a week or 3.
> ----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
> 
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
> 
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
> Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/
> 

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:56:02 +0000
From: roc88ket@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Recent" engine sale offer" fwd'd to the list for amusement

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Has anyone encountered receiving a check or do they expect you to send the item promising to follow-up with a check?

If a check arrived, where did it come from?

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> Gee, I wonder if by ANY CHANCE the feller will offer to pay me with a 
> "cashier's check" for "too much money" 
> 
> Since I do not currently have a $5000 engine for sale... 
> 
> Say, any of you have pics I can borrow of a really nice looking built 
> engine? 
> Brand probably does not even matter, Ch*vy, Buick, whatever. 
> 
> Maybe I can get this doofus to send me a faux check and then dangle him 
> along for a week or 3. 
> ---------------------- 
> Chris Witt 
> 1303 W. Miller Rd. 
> Lansing MI 48911 
> 
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com 
> 
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message. 
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days 
> 
> _________________________________________________________________ 
> Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ 
> 
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<P>Has anyone encountered receiving a check or do they expect you to send the item promising to follow-up with a check?</P>
<P>&nbsp;</P>
<P>If a check arrived, where did it come from?<BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR><BR>&gt; Gee, I wonder if by ANY CHANCE the feller will offer to pay me with a <BR>&gt; "cashier's check" for "too much money" <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Since I do not currently have a $5000 engine for sale... <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Say, any of you have pics I can borrow of a really nice looking built <BR>&gt; engine? <BR>&gt; Brand probably does not even matter, Ch*vy, Buick, whatever. <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Maybe I can get this doofus to send me a faux check and then dangle him <BR>&gt; along for a week or 3. <BR>&gt; ---------------------- <BR>&gt; Chris Witt <BR>&gt; 1303 W. Miller Rd. <BR>&gt; Lansing MI 48911 <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; RocketScience442@hotmail.com <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message. <BR>&gt; Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; _________________________________________________________________ <BR>&gt; Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living. http://lexus.msn.com/ <BR>&gt; </BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:10:02 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Recent" engine sale offer" fwd'd to the list for amusement

That's a really nice plastic Hemi.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "JBS" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: Recent" engine sale offer" fwd'd to the list for amusement


> send them this... see if they get the joke?
> http://www.426-hemi.com/hemi/pics/hemiplas.jpg
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:05 PM
> Subject: Recent" engine sale offer" fwd'd to the list for amusement
>
>
> > Gee, I wonder if by ANY CHANCE the feller will offer to pay me with a
> > "cashier's check" for "too much money"
> >
> > Since I do not currently have a $5000 engine for sale...
> >
> > Say, any of you have pics I can borrow of a really nice looking built
> > engine?
> > Brand probably does not even matter, Ch*vy, Buick, whatever.
> >
> > Maybe I can get this doofus to send me a faux check and then dangle him
> > along for a week or 3.
> > ----------------------
> > Chris Witt
> > 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> > Lansing MI 48911
> >
> > RocketScience442@hotmail.com
> >
> > Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> > Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Discover the best of the best at MSN Luxury Living.
http://lexus.msn.com/
> >
>

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 16:21:57 -0400
From: "M. Gillespie" <mick442@rogers.com>
Subject: Re: Ford 289 valve Seals (Again)

> When you are referring to the seals, who is the supplier?
>
>
> Steve Reed

Steve,

The Olds seals I was talking about are just the typical seals in the Felpro
gasket kit. Both the black and white are a stiff hard plastic type material.
I want to us the more flexible 289 seals if possible.

Mick Gillespie
1969 442 Conv. (clone)
1980 Toro
http://members.rogers.com/mick442/oldspage.htm

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 17:19:08 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: Re: A/C PArts cross-reference

Clark, Pat wrote:
> Looking to rebuild my 69 442's A/C system. Of course, a lot of places have
> no listings for Oldsmobile, but every listing for Chevrolet. I am sure that
> most of the components are the same between the Chevelle and the 442. Does
> anyone know if I bought the compressor, dryer etc. for a 69 Chevelle would
> they interchange?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Pat Clark
> IGNITION INC.
> P 972-516-8700
> F 972-516-8690
> 
> 
Pat
    Except for Caddilac which uses a dual pulley on some A/C's any A-6 
compressor will work. some of the later ones have super heat swiches in 
the back of them. The earlier ones don't either one will work. there is 
a place in Florida which can rebuild your POA valve really reasonable. 
they did mine and I'm relly happy with it. Drop me a note if you need or 
want the info.
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:22:34 -0400
From: "Clifford D.Hall" <cdhall55@nuvox.net>
Subject: Re: SX value and performance opinions wanted

    I found 2 build sheets. One under the front passenger seat springs and
the other under the bottom of the rear seat. The variable ratio was
available in 70. It had 3 or 3 1/2 turns lock to lock. I 've also had a 70
Cutlass S with the same steering box. The difference is the way the gears
are cut to make the steering a little faster as you turn the steering wheel
more from the center position.

Thanks,
   Daniel Hall
    http://members.trivergent.net/~cdhall/

>So is that what a real-life 1970 build sheet looks like? Where did you find
>it in the car? I only found my "broadcast sheet" in my 71 which didn't tell
>me much except that the original convertible top was green and it came with
>an AM/FM stereo (ironically, which is now missing.)
>And what's with "N47 VAR PWR STRG?" Variable ratio? I didn't think they
came
>in these cars???
>Chris

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 18:42:24 -0400
From: "Clifford D.Hall" <cdhall55@nuvox.net>
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #4960

     I used a  hood from a Cutlass S.  Just looks better to me till I can
find someone who will trade me a 70 OAI hood for my 71 OAI hood.  The
exhaust code description might be different since this car came with a W-32
455 engine package. I have no idea why the D55 console is describe
differently.
Thanks,
   Daniel Hall
    http://members.trivergent.net/~cdhall/

- ----- Original Message ----- > Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 09:38:41 -0700
> From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
> Subject: Build sheet option descriptions -  was: Re: SX value and
performance opinions wanted
>
> I noticed a couple of interesting things on your build sheet. My '70
Supreme
> had some of the same options, but they are labeled differently from yours.
>
> Your build sheet:
>  N10 - W32 Dual Exh
>  D55 - W26 Console
>  W26 - D/Gate Console
>
> My build sheet:
>  N10 - Dual Exh
>  D55 - Frt. Compartment Console
>  W26 - D/Gate Console
>
> Maybe the console codes are like that because mine was a Supreme and the
console
> was standard equipment, with the W26 Dual Gate as an added option. I have
noticed
> the SX has the "S" emblem on the hood tooth, so maybe this means it does
not have
> the same standard equipment as the Supreme models, and maybe the console
was an
> option to start with. ??
>
> I don't have any ideas on why the dual exhaust option would be labeled
differently.
>
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> Phoenix, AZ
>
> ------------------------------
>
> End of oldsmobile-digest V1 #4960
> *********************************
>
>

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 19:44:15 -0400
From: Michael Ecker <ecker567@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Diesels And Serpentine Belt Drives

Ken, I understand - I had to look at them about 3 times myself to notice 
the housing difference.

As far as the diesel rods, I looked it up:  gasoline rods spec at 
5.998"-6.002" center to center and 0.9791"-0.9795" pin bore, 1.615" 
compression height from piston top to pin center; diesel rods spec at 
5.8835"-5.8875" center to center and 1.0956"-1.0962" pin bore, 1.770" 
compression height (makes sense with the flat combustion chamber 
heads).  If these figures are correct, the diesel piston tops should end 
up about 0.040" higher in the cylinders at TDC - might work out fine or 
might need the thicker gaskets to prevent head contact, depends on the 
block being used and how much it needs to be decked to be square.  Would 
be interesting to try...

Per the Federal Mogul website, diesel 350 pistons = Sealed Power part# 
8-680P, flat head w/ 2 valve reliefs, 1.770" compression distance, 
1.0952" pin diameter, listed as having only 2 compression rings and 1 
oil ring set (I could swear the stock pistons had 3 compression rings, 
maybe revised to 2 to be more compatible with off-the-shelf ring packages).

Per same site, gasoline 350 options: Sealed Power low compression 
(7.9:1) stock replacement pistons (most likely cast but site does not 
specify) part# 332AP (available in standard or 20, 30, 40, or 60 
thousandths overbore) = 1.596" compression distance, 0.9804" pin 
diameter (dish dimensions 0.215" deep x 2.920" diameter), normal ring 
package

or: Speed Pro forged piston part# L2321F30 (0.030" overbore only), 
1.612" compression distance, pressed or floating pins, 0.076" deep x 
2.44" diameter dish (5.8cc), normal ring package

or: Speed Pro forged flat top piston part# L2320F (standard bore) or 
L2320F30 (0.030" overbore), 1.612" compression height, pressed pins, no 
dish or dome, normal ring package.

So...  looks like if you can live with the slight 5.8cc dish and are 
going to bore your 350 to 0.030" over (4.087") then the Speed Pro 
L2321F30 with floating pins is a very viable option (depending on price, 
of course.)

While poking around on their site, appears Sealed Power lists the high 
volume oil pumps under part# 224-41203V and the 3/4" bolt on pickup for 
this pump under part# 224-11203V.  Just thought I'd throw that in here 
since I was staring at is anyway.  Haven't bothered to check prices on 
any of this yet.

Well, that gives you a few things to think about....

- -- 
Michael Ecker
Lehigh Acres, Florida
ecker567@comcast.net

1978 Cutlass Supreme - $500 purchase, being slowly fixed up
   (in line for V6-to-403 swap soon, and maybe 200-4R and gears...)

1979 Cutlass Supreme Brougham - becoming a circle track car
   (bought without title, had Certificate of Destruction so can never
    be re-registered, but will uphold the Oldsmobile name with honor)

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 21:45:41 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: R134a conversion... unexpectedly good?!

All,

Well, took the plunge with the beater, simply because it was on the "I
don't really care" threshold.

With R12, the A/C was mediocre at best around town and in traffic, and
would take some time to start getting cool.

On the highway, though, it would get almost uncomfortably cold, which was
nice.

But it leaked, and I didn't want to waste the cans of R12 that I still
have, so I took the plunge and converted it to R134a.

Instead of the standard routine, I used this conversion oil, which is 2oz
PAG and 2oz conversion compounds that claim to make the mineral oil
compatible with the PAG oil, and specifically states that you don't have to
remove the mineral oil.  I think it also has a touch of sealant in it.
Didn't know if I could trust it, but I figured, hey, it's my POS beater.

It hasn't seized the compressor, nor has the compressor gotten noisier, so
it seems to be living up to the claim.

Now here's the surprising part... I haven't driven it much on the highway
yet, but the very little that I did seemed to make me think it wasn't quite
as effective as the R12.  Not surprising.

BUT, in local driving and in traffic, it seems to do much better, and get
cold more quickly.  That was a pleasant, unexpected bonus.

I don't understand how or why this is, but I'm definitely not complaining!

Has anyone else noticed this when converting to R134a?


	- Joe

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Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 22:15:15 -0400
From: "Chris Carson" <fastcarson@prodigy.net>
Subject: Re: SX value and performance opinions wanted

> On my '70 Supreme it was on top of the gas tank, between the rubber
isolator mat and
> the tank. It was very near the edge of the tank, and one side of the sheet
got wet and
> turned brown over the years. On my '71 all I found was the broadcast
sheet, and it was
> in the drivers seat back. 'Course, the '70 was a Fremont car, and the '71
is a Lansing
> car, and I have heard that the build sheets were rarely left in Lansing
cars.

There's a rubber isolator mat between the tank and the car??? My 71 doesn't
seem to have one, as I have the tank dropped now -- just tank against trunk
floor. (no papers came fluttering out, either.)
I have this broadcast sheet, the only option listed is U58 (AM/FM stereo).
This is odd, since the car came to me with sport wheels, strg wheel, mirror,
console and others. Though, I have ZERO history on the car. What RPOs got
onto the broadcast sheet?
Has anyone found build sheets in their Lansing cars?

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