
oldsmobile-digest       Wednesday, June 2 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4907



Re: Serious vibration... solved!
Re: I'm Stumped........
Engine re-assembly help!
no start Tumolo new motor
Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil
I'v been riped off
Re: Engine re-assembly help!
RE: I'v been riped off
RE: Lock cylinder, or something else?
more on piston pins
Re: I'v been riped off
Cross member
Re: Cross member
anyone near Morgantown, KY to check out a car
Re: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil
Cross member
list is slow
Re: I'v been riped off
Re: Cross member
HEI
70 CSM F/S & maybe parting '70 Cutlass
HEI
Re: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil
Re: I'v been riped off

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Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 23:05:14 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Serious vibration... solved!

> The incorrect pinion angles, combined with the slop in the
> driveshaft, made for that serious vibration I was feeling on deceleration.


Makes perfect sense.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Mon, 31 May 2004 23:02:37 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: I'm Stumped........

Paul,



> Spent the weekend swapping in the new engine......the new converter went
> right in, and everything went smoothly until I went to turn the
> key.....NOTHING. No clicks, no starter engagement.


Electricity isn't going where it's supposed to go.

I'll bet it's something simple that's easy to overlook.


> I did not touch the neutral safety switch or ignition switch.


But either one can fail just because it wants to.

For the neutral safety switch, if the shift linkage got out of adjustment
during reassembly, that could be a show stopper. It's happened before.


> I labeled every wire, so I don't think it is miswired.


Murphy and his family doesn't care. Triple check everything.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:35:54 -0400
From: Michael McDonald <McDonald_M@72ho.com>
Subject: Engine re-assembly help!

Listers,

I have painted the 1972 455 intake, heads, and valve covers. Now it's time to 
bolt everything back onto the engine block again. However, I did not notice 
when I removed them, the "notches" in the valve covers are different sizes. 
One "notch" on one valve cover is "longer" than the other "notch".  So which 
valve cover goes on the driver's side of the engine under the power brake 
booster, the short notch or the long notched valve cover?  

Thanks for your help,
Mike McDonald
McDonald_M@72ho.com

1972 Hurst/Olds sunroof coupe
    "as seen on Speed TV"
   The American Musclecar    
            or
        www.72ho.com

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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 09:27:26 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: no start Tumolo new motor

Spent the weekend swapping in the new engine......the new converter went
right in, and everything went smoothly until I went to turn the
key.....NOTHING. No clicks, no starter engagement.

The engine was run on the dyno, so it not that.
=================
Well, right off the bat, we can say the the only problem seen thus far is in 
the STARTING SYSTEM, which is pretty much independent from all other 
systems. No need to look at the engine, windows, seats, headlights, etc. 
Just the Battery, wiring, ign sw, NSSwitch, solenoid, starter, and GROUNDS. 
[you DID re-install that ground/ support strap from starter case to engine 
block, right?].


I did not touch the neutral safety switch or ignition switch.
============
Start at the starter/ solenoid
Sounds to me like you out the S wire on the R terminal. S for Start, is 
usually violet. Has volts when key held to Start position [provided wiring 
is OK and NSS says trans is in N or P]. "Start" by making sure that the 
violet wire has volts when told to start, and is attached to the S terminal 
of the solenoid.

The coil, distributor, and starter worked perfectly on the old engine.
==========
Coil and dist are parts of the IGNITION SYSTEM. If motor is not spinning 
over, your problem first lies in the STARTING SYSTEM. Not the glass, 
headlights, carb, ignition, power seats, etc. FOCUS here.


The Optima battery is about 2 months old.
==========
No guarantee it's good.
Turn on headlights. Good battery makes nice and bright. Starter draws them 
down a little. If "starter" activation does not affect lights at all, then 
it's doing nothing, as if say your violet S wire is on the R terminal, or 
your starter is not getting grounded back to the battery well.

I labeled every wire, so I don't think it is miswired.
Paul Tumolo
1970 442 with a new engine that won't start
OCA # 31967
==============
Why would you think that? Assume nothing. Test, inspect, and be CERTAIN. 
Then move on to the next possible cause. If you have to remove the starter 
to assess the wiring, bench test it with jumper cables. Ck all the wiring 
while it's out. There's only 2, maybe 3 wires. Fat Boy should have lots of 
volts all the time, Violet S should have volts when key says "Start", and 
"R" (Resistor Bypass) [yellow?] wire should be continuous to the terminal on 
the coil... unless you have HEI, in which case R wire is not required. Even 
if you run points, the R wire will not interfere with CRANKING, just with 
easy starting. BTDT.
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 09:39:40 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil

No one's bid yet
Florida
ROP.com member named "Butch"
Ck out the ad even if just for the PIC of the wheelstand!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1467&item=4171693968

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 08:50:46 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: I'v been riped off

This is all about a deal to trade a carb I had for a tpi unit this guy had.
He never shiped my stuff and is saying he never got mine. I went to the site
where I found the guy. www.thirdgen.org to write a bad feedback post on
this. Well he had one on me. I responded to it with all the facts. Then I
went looking at his old posts and I found one about his car being running. I
look at it and this guiy has the balls to post pics of his car with my carb
on it. It is the same carb I was selling here a while back. There are not
alot of spreadbore holly double pumpers around.

I shot mysefl in the foot on this deal but trade are always hard. Someone
must go out on a limb so I offered to since I didn't really have any money
into the carb.

The moderator is agreeing with me and I think after I posted pics of the
carb and reciept for shipping insurance he may do something. This guys
stories go round and round and never lead anywhere.

I would appreciate it if anyone could look at th eboard and mabey vouch for
me even though I have not dealt wiuth alot of you because I don't like to
try to constantly sell stuff on here. At least check it out to make sure you
never deal with this guy, I'v always been a straight shooter and have not
ever been riped off in ten years. I let this happen to me but it's still the
principle of the deal. I want everyone to know what this guy did so he
doesn't do it to anyone else.

here is the forum address

http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php?s=&postid=1859293#post1859293

Allen Schwartz

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:16:56 -0400
From: "The General" <patton442@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Engine re-assembly help!

Hey List,

        The long notch goes on the passenger
side valve cover to clear the AC unit ..


The General       patton442@verizon.net

> So which
> valve cover goes on the driver's side of the engine under the power brake
> booster, the short notch or the long notched valve cover?
>
> Thanks for your help,
> Mike McDonald
> McDonald_M@72ho.com
>
> 1972 Hurst/Olds sunroof coupe
>     "as seen on Speed TV"
>    The American Musclecar
>             or
>         www.72ho.com

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 10:28:39 -0400
From: "David J. Duffner - Trofeoworld.com" <oldslist@trofeoworld.com>
Subject: RE: I'v been riped off

>-----Original Message-----
>From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca 
>[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Allen Schwartz
>Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:51 AM
>To: olds list
>Subject: I'v been riped off
>
>
>This is all about a deal to trade a carb I had for a tpi unit 
>this guy had. He never shiped my stuff and is saying he never got mine. 
>
>I would appreciate it if anyone could look at th eboard and 
>mabey vouch for me even though I have not dealt wiuth alot of you
>because I don't like to try to constantly sell stuff on here. At
>least check it out to make sure you never deal with this guy, I'v
>always been a straight shooter and have not ever been riped off in
>ten years. I let this happen to me but it's still the
>principle of the deal. I want everyone to know what this guy did so he
>doesn't do it to anyone else.
>
>Allen Schwartz

	Allen, does appear as though he chumped you, but in that thread 
you show the first mistake you made: USPS.

	I hope they pay up on the claim, they're notorius for dragging
things out forever and demanding all kinds of paperwork - being this
was a used part, they'll balk on paying for it or devalue it down to 
nothing.

	Steadfast rule on any deals like this:

	UPS Ground, Signature Required, Insurance (if over $100).  While
UPS isn't the best, they at least fully track packages from start to 
finish.  If they don't, they pay up within 30 days max at the value
you state.  Since they do about 99% of the time, the extra few $$ for
using UPS (or even FedEx anymore, but harder to ship Ground without
a daily account) with the Signature Required would have saved you these
headaches.  

	If UPS has a bonehead delivery person on that route, and they 
dump the package w/out the signature - they lose again, instantly, and
pay up on the deal.  Seen that happen with a former driver on my local
route and I've filed and won many claims with UPS because he just 
dumped the package and ran.  Someone loves to steal them from the 
doorstep (in a semi-rural area yet), but I've never been on the losing
side of any shipment done in this fashion.

	Love to say 'but I trust people and shouldn't have to go this
route', but sadly over the last 20 years it's happened.  In my business
here (non-vehicle related) it's mandatory that packages shipped to a
customer for at least the first time go out in this fashion.  Once a
few shipments make it without incident, then we can relax the requirements
and ship it normally.  But the consumers recognize we're on top of things
and normally there's never an issue or temptation to cause a problem when
they see we're tracking a package fully.

	Hopefully this works out for you!

      David J. Duffner
      Editor
      TrofeoWorld.com

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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 14:29:29 +0000
From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg_o@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Lock cylinder, or something else?

>It's a little bit more stubborn letting the key in and
>letting me pull it out.  Turns to the accessory position,
>and the on position, with no trouble at all.
>
>BUT . . it won't let me turn it far enough to start it.

Okay, you've got something wrong in or around the key lock; that'll need to 
come out. If it's fighting the key, then the rack mechanism is messed up 
somehow, since there is a little interlock with it that prevents you from 
removing the key unless the cylinder is in the Lock position.

>Is there an easy way to remove the lock cylinder and
>replace it without mucking with the steering wheel
>or column?

No, but if it's any consolation, the special tools you need to do the job 
are inexpensive and not sufficiently obscure or single-purposey that you'll 
never use them again. You need a lock-plate compressor and a steering-wheel 
puller. Both are commonly available (e.g. Sears, AutoZone). The Sears puller 
I have doubles as a harmonic balancer as well, and I've used it for both 
purposes over the years.

A manual is also helpful (consider it mandatory for your first-time repair), 
and you must unplug the airbag wire where it emerges from the steering 
column behind the dash (look for a bright yellow wire with an in-line 
connector and no shortage of large warning stickers plastered all over it).

>Is the lock cylinder itself actually the reason I can't
>get the thing to turn far enough to start?

I'm going to guess that the problem may be its mechanical connection to the 
little rack mechanism which in turn pulls an actuator rod which in turn 
operates the ignition switch, further down the steering column on the left 
side. Something in there has gone adrift. Good luck...

- -- Andy

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 07:34:37 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: more on piston pins

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for some reason Kerry couldn't reply to the list, so he just sent his reply directly to me.  I thought I would fwd to the list for informational purposed for those interested.
 
Chris
grp442@yahoo.com

Kerry Kroger <kkroger@kc.rr.com> wrote:
From: "Kerry Kroger" 
To: 
Subject: Reply won't go to the list no matter what!
Date: Sat, 29 May 2004 18:24:06 -0500

Goodson makes a crayon that you use to mark the rod then when you heat it in
a rod furnace it melts when the rod gets
"Hot Enough" But before it gets "Too Hot" this has been used as a method to
mary rods to pistons for yearrs and I have never heard of a rod failing
because of it, Though I have seen lots of Galled Wrist pins and broken
pistons due to a person press fitting the pins without a fixture or the
proper punches etc. a Rod heater generally heats two rods at once and there
is a neat little fixture to hold the piston and a tool to hold the pin so it
can be slid into place.


		
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 09:48:09 -0500
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
Subject: Re: I'v been riped off

I know I screwed this up. There is situation with my current job which make
this sort of deal very hard. I'm 50 miles from ups so that mae it very
dificult.
He didn't chump me. You wouldn't believe how many people have contacted me
and believe me. I have all the emails and stuff that show his deception and
how his story goes round and round
Allen Schwartz
A&L Enterprises
mycj@tds.net
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From: "David J. Duffner - Trofeoworld.com" <oldslist@trofeoworld.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:28 AM
Subject: RE: I'v been riped off


> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> >[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Allen Schwartz
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:51 AM
> >To: olds list
> >Subject: I'v been riped off
> >
> >
> >This is all about a deal to trade a carb I had for a tpi unit
> >this guy had. He never shiped my stuff and is saying he never got mine.
> >
> >I would appreciate it if anyone could look at th eboard and
> >mabey vouch for me even though I have not dealt wiuth alot of you
> >because I don't like to try to constantly sell stuff on here. At
> >least check it out to make sure you never deal with this guy, I'v
> >always been a straight shooter and have not ever been riped off in
> >ten years. I let this happen to me but it's still the
> >principle of the deal. I want everyone to know what this guy did so he
> >doesn't do it to anyone else.
> >
> >Allen Schwartz
>
> Allen, does appear as though he chumped you, but in that thread
> you show the first mistake you made: USPS.
>
> I hope they pay up on the claim, they're notorius for dragging
> things out forever and demanding all kinds of paperwork - being this
> was a used part, they'll balk on paying for it or devalue it down to
> nothing.
>
> Steadfast rule on any deals like this:
>
> UPS Ground, Signature Required, Insurance (if over $100).  While
> UPS isn't the best, they at least fully track packages from start to
> finish.  If they don't, they pay up within 30 days max at the value
> you state.  Since they do about 99% of the time, the extra few $$ for
> using UPS (or even FedEx anymore, but harder to ship Ground without
> a daily account) with the Signature Required would have saved you these
> headaches.
>
> If UPS has a bonehead delivery person on that route, and they
> dump the package w/out the signature - they lose again, instantly, and
> pay up on the deal.  Seen that happen with a former driver on my local
> route and I've filed and won many claims with UPS because he just
> dumped the package and ran.  Someone loves to steal them from the
> doorstep (in a semi-rural area yet), but I've never been on the losing
> side of any shipment done in this fashion.
>
> Love to say 'but I trust people and shouldn't have to go this
> route', but sadly over the last 20 years it's happened.  In my business
> here (non-vehicle related) it's mandatory that packages shipped to a
> customer for at least the first time go out in this fashion.  Once a
> few shipments make it without incident, then we can relax the requirements
> and ship it normally.  But the consumers recognize we're on top of things
> and normally there's never an issue or temptation to cause a problem when
> they see we're tracking a package fully.
>
> Hopefully this works out for you!
>
>       David J. Duffner
>       Editor
>       TrofeoWorld.com
>
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 11:12:01 -0400 
From: Mearl Francis <Mearl.Francis@TRACO.COM>
Subject: Cross member

Good morning 
  I have recently dropped a set of headers in my 1986 Cutlass Supreme, which
has a 350 Rocket and a 350 automatic trans. I hadn't thought about it.. but,
now need a cross member for dual exhaust. Is this something that is hard to
find? What will fit other than Oldsmobile cross members? Also, I'm looking
for a Possi unit for a 10 bolt 7.5 Chevy rear end... Any leads? I just
picked up a rear w/ 3.73 gears.. but, it's single traction.
Thanks for any help
Mearl

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 12:57:50 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Cross member

Hi - a posi you can get from Summit or Jegs, but for once, the best price I
got was  from the specialists in drivetrains:
I dont't remeber 100%sure, but it was or Driveline Specialists or Callman
Gears or so - they had the Eaton posi a 100 less than at Summit plus the
very competent advice at free...
AFAIR the double hump cross member is sort of rare.. I had both tubes routed
on the same side but still no headers, only 2 1/2 double exhaust, in my 81CS
rgds
Matt
>   I have recently dropped a set of headers in my 1986 Cutlass Supreme,
which
> has a 350 Rocket and a 350 automatic trans. I hadn't thought about it..
but,
> now need a cross member for dual exhaust. Is this something that is hard
to
> find? What will fit other than Oldsmobile cross members? Also, I'm looking
> for a Possi unit for a 10 bolt 7.5 Chevy rear end... Any leads? I just
> picked up a rear w/ 3.73 gears.. but, it's single traction.
> Thanks for any help
> Mearl

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 13:56:44 EDT
From: S61starfir@aol.com
Subject: anyone near Morgantown, KY to check out a car

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Is there anyone on the list in the area that would be  willing to check it 
out for him?
It would appreciated if you could help a fellow Olds  lover. Please let me 
know and I will get you in touch
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Date: Tue, 01 Jun 2004 13:43:08 -0600
From: Cliff Simpson <csimpson@ucalgary.ca>
Subject: Re: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil

Christopher Witt wrote:

> No one's bid yet
> Florida
> ROP.com member named "Butch"

Could that be the same Butch who used to post here?

Of course he had an Olds powered 68 if I recall correctly.

For those who missed him, Butch had a (expletive deleted) Olds and did 
very well on the Florida tracks.  He once wrote something to the effect 
that his Olds would pull so well from idle that he didn't have to rev it 
before the light changed.  More than once his opponent thought he was 
easy prey until Butch dropped the hammer and the nose of his 442 popped up.
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 16:43:04 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Cross member

I think MTS has the crossover, may be more intended for 
400 trans (I use a switch pitch with a with a 403).  Bruce Roe

 MTS  262 740 1118    
   http://www.500cid.com  

1 Jun 2004  Mearl Francis <Mearl.Francis@TRACO.COM> writes:
> Good morning 
>   I have recently dropped a set of headers in my 1986 Cutlass 
> Supreme, which has a 350 Rocket and a 350 automatic trans. I 
> hadn't thought about it.. but, now need a cross member for dual 
> exhaust. Is this something that is hard to find? 

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 17:42:06 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: list is slow

again, have not seen any of my messages neither much traffic from the
others... tornados again?
rgds to all
Matt

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:13:31 -0400
From: "swanny" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: I'v been riped off

I don't usually get involved, but I understand you being p*$$*d off.....The
person you are dealing with is probably not only a crook, but also
illiterate.
Pat Swanton.
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From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 10:48 AM
Subject: Re: I'v been riped off


> I know I screwed this up. There is situation with my current job which
make
> this sort of deal very hard. I'm 50 miles from ups so that mae it very
> dificult.
> He didn't chump me. You wouldn't believe how many people have contacted me
> and believe me. I have all the emails and stuff that show his deception
and
> how his story goes round and round
> Allen Schwartz
> A&L Enterprises
> mycj@tds.net
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David J. Duffner - Trofeoworld.com" <oldslist@trofeoworld.com>
> To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:28 AM
> Subject: RE: I'v been riped off
>
>
> > >-----Original Message-----
> > >From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> > >[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca] On Behalf Of Allen Schwartz
> > >Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 9:51 AM
> > >To: olds list
> > >Subject: I'v been riped off
> > >
> > >
> > >This is all about a deal to trade a carb I had for a tpi unit
> > >this guy had. He never shiped my stuff and is saying he never got mine.
> > >
> > >I would appreciate it if anyone could look at th eboard and
> > >mabey vouch for me even though I have not dealt wiuth alot of you
> > >because I don't like to try to constantly sell stuff on here. At
> > >least check it out to make sure you never deal with this guy, I'v
> > >always been a straight shooter and have not ever been riped off in
> > >ten years. I let this happen to me but it's still the
> > >principle of the deal. I want everyone to know what this guy did so he
> > >doesn't do it to anyone else.
> > >
> > >Allen Schwartz
> >
> > Allen, does appear as though he chumped you, but in that thread
> > you show the first mistake you made: USPS.
> >
> > I hope they pay up on the claim, they're notorius for dragging
> > things out forever and demanding all kinds of paperwork - being this
> > was a used part, they'll balk on paying for it or devalue it down to
> > nothing.
> >
> > Steadfast rule on any deals like this:
> >
> > UPS Ground, Signature Required, Insurance (if over $100).  While
> > UPS isn't the best, they at least fully track packages from start to
> > finish.  If they don't, they pay up within 30 days max at the value
> > you state.  Since they do about 99% of the time, the extra few $$ for
> > using UPS (or even FedEx anymore, but harder to ship Ground without
> > a daily account) with the Signature Required would have saved you these
> > headaches.
> >
> > If UPS has a bonehead delivery person on that route, and they
> > dump the package w/out the signature - they lose again, instantly, and
> > pay up on the deal.  Seen that happen with a former driver on my local
> > route and I've filed and won many claims with UPS because he just
> > dumped the package and ran.  Someone loves to steal them from the
> > doorstep (in a semi-rural area yet), but I've never been on the losing
> > side of any shipment done in this fashion.
> >
> > Love to say 'but I trust people and shouldn't have to go this
> > route', but sadly over the last 20 years it's happened.  In my business
> > here (non-vehicle related) it's mandatory that packages shipped to a
> > customer for at least the first time go out in this fashion.  Once a
> > few shipments make it without incident, then we can relax the
requirements
> > and ship it normally.  But the consumers recognize we're on top of
things
> > and normally there's never an issue or temptation to cause a problem
when
> > they see we're tracking a package fully.
> >
> > Hopefully this works out for you!
> >
> >       David J. Duffner
> >       Editor
> >       TrofeoWorld.com
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 18:41:07 -0400
From: "Daniel R. Gerow" <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: Re: Cross member

Hello,

You could also check out G-Force Performance at  http://www.crossmembers.com

I've heard good things about them, but have no personal experience.

Regards,

 ~ Dan

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 Post 4spd
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mearl Francis" <Mearl.Francis@TRACO.COM>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 11:12 AM
Subject: Cross member


> Good morning
>   I have recently dropped a set of headers in my 1986 Cutlass Supreme,
which
> has a 350 Rocket and a 350 automatic trans. I hadn't thought about it..
but,
> now need a cross member for dual exhaust. Is this something that is hard
to
> find? What will fit other than Oldsmobile cross members? Also, I'm looking
> for a Possi unit for a 10 bolt 7.5 Chevy rear end... Any leads? I just
> picked up a rear w/ 3.73 gears.. but, it's single traction.
> Thanks for any help
> Mearl
>

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 15:47:38 -0700 (PDT)
From: JEFFREY LISLE <jeffslisle@yahoo.com>
Subject: HEI

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I have a '65 Cutlass and I want to put a '72 HEI distributer on it, how hard is it to swap over.  Also does anyone knows how to fix a dent in pot-metal.  Thanks for the help, Jeff

		
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:06:07 -0400
From: "Randy Geisel" <rocket455@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: 70 CSM F/S & maybe parting '70 Cutlass

One 1970 Chassis Service Manual for sale. Cover has something smeared on it
(see link below). Inside is clean, no finger prints, a little musty
smelling......otherwise a nice manual. A solid 8 out of 10. $30 includes
media mail shipping to the states.

http://home.att.net/~rocket455/70csm.jpg

I may be parting out a '70 Cutlass.....haven't made up my mind 100% yet.
Nothing special about it. Good running 350, 2v, Th350 on column. Manual drum
brakes all around. Original 12 bolt rear...open 2.73's I believe. Needs
1/4's, doors, fenders and driver's floorboard replaced. If anyone needs
anything, give a yell privately.....you'll have first choice should I part
it out. I may sell it whole also......

Located in Honey Brook, PA. Between Philly and Harrisburg.

Randy
rocket455@worldnet.att.net

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 23:28:58 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: HEI

1 Jun 2004 JEFFREY LISLE <jeffslisle@yahoo.com> writes:
> I have a '65 Cutlass and I want to put a '72 HEI distributer on it, 
> how hard is it to swap over. 

Are you sure its a '72, I thought HEI was later than that?

Mondello says you might need to take 60 mils off the bottom of 
the gear, but others says it just bolts in.  So then you need air 
cleaner clearance, a 55 mil plug gap, and you must short out 
the ballast resistance wire to the old coil to power it.  You may 
want to change the advance curve to better match your old dist.  
Don't be surprised if AM radio interference is increased.  

Bruce Roe

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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:30:06 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil

It's got a big block Chevy in it. The engine needs to be replaced and Chevy
given 10 pounds of C-4.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 6:39 AM
Subject: Wheelstanding 1968 442 with trailer $12.5k or less eVil


> No one's bid yet
> Florida
> ROP.com member named "Butch"
> Ck out the ad even if just for the PIC of the wheelstand!
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1467&item=4171693968
>
> ----------------------
> Chris Witt
> 1303 W. Miller Rd.
> Lansing MI 48911
>
> RocketScience442@hotmail.com
>
> Cell 517-449-0432 weekends or short weekday calls or leave message.
> Home 517-882-9747 thru 10-11pm MI time most days
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Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2004 22:53:26 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: I'v been riped off

Allen,

You need to pursue this incident. The USPS will track what happened to your
shipment, because the USPS will not pay off the insured amount unless they
know it's missing. If it was stolen by the receiver, they'll know it,
***because a signature is always required, with the name printed below, for
all insured packages***. That's SOP with the USPS.

The signature required forms and the delivery confirmation forms exist so
that one can call the USPS and verify delivery. Insured items are a
different animal that always require a signature. I'm sure the USPS will
resolve the problem. Postal fraud is not taken lightly.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Allen Schwartz" <mycj@tds.net>
To: "olds list" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 6:50 AM
Subject: I'v been riped off


> This is all about a deal to trade a carb I had for a tpi unit this guy
had.
> He never shiped my stuff and is saying he never got mine. I went to the
site
> where I found the guy. www.thirdgen.org to write a bad feedback post on
> this. Well he had one on me. I responded to it with all the facts. Then I
> went looking at his old posts and I found one about his car being running.
I
> look at it and this guiy has the balls to post pics of his car with my
carb
> on it. It is the same carb I was selling here a while back. There are not
> alot of spreadbore holly double pumpers around.
>
> I shot mysefl in the foot on this deal but trade are always hard. Someone
> must go out on a limb so I offered to since I didn't really have any money
> into the carb.
>
> The moderator is agreeing with me and I think after I posted pics of the
> carb and reciept for shipping insurance he may do something. This guys
> stories go round and round and never lead anywhere.
>
> I would appreciate it if anyone could look at th eboard and mabey vouch
for
> me even though I have not dealt wiuth alot of you because I don't like to
> try to constantly sell stuff on here. At least check it out to make sure
you
> never deal with this guy, I'v always been a straight shooter and have not
> ever been riped off in ten years. I let this happen to me but it's still
the
> principle of the deal. I want everyone to know what this guy did so he
> doesn't do it to anyone else.
>
> here is the forum address
>
>
http://www.thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthread.php?s=&postid=1859293#post1859293
>
> Allen Schwartz
>

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