
oldsmobile-digest       Tuesday, August 3 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4974



Re: your '64 442
RE: more VIN swapping and cop -outs
Re: your '64 442
Olds still for sale $3k
Scammer Ruth lost "her" acct at Yahoo
307 to 350 swap
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: 307 to 350 swap
Re: New England Olds show pictures
New England Olds show pix
Re: 307 to 350 swap
Re: New England Olds show pix
RE: Rebuilding a TH 350 behind a 355
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
Exhaust manifold paint
RE: New England Olds show pictures
more VIN swapping and cop -outs
Olds still for sale $3k
307 to 350 swap
Re: Exhaust manifold paint
sold
RE: more VIN swapping and cop -outs
Re: New England Olds show pictures
Re: 307 to 350 swap
Re: Olds still for sale $3k
Re: 307 to 350 swap
RE: New England Olds show pictures
Re: New England Olds show pix
RE: Olds still for sale $3k

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Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 23:59:46 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: your '64 442

Guys & Gals,

Feel good about yourselves. We stopped some poor soul from being ripped off
by luvdg@aol.com , at least for now. His fake '64 442, eBay item
#2486025957, with an automatic and the wrong emblems has been pulled from
sale.

"The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available
for sale."

I wonder what he'll do next? Good work. Outstanding!

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <luvdg@aol.com>
Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 1:35 AM
Subject: your '64 442


> Sir,
>
> Your eBay item #2486025957 is not a true or original '64 Olds 442.
>
> 1) *NO* '64 442 was ever equipped with an automatic, as verified by
> Oldsmobile production records. The option was 4 for four barrel, 4 for
four
> speed manual, and 2 for dual exhaust.
>
> 2) The trunk 442 emblem is in the wrong location.
>
> 3) There is no 442 emblem on the dash.
>
> 4) There is no dual snorkel 442 air filter. Your car has a standard single
> snorkel Cutlass and F-85 air cleaner.
>
> I will give you 24 hours to change your ad. If the corrections are not
made,
> I *WILL* file an official complaint with the FBI Internet Fraud Unit. I am
> not joking or bluffing.
>
> Milton Schick
> imp@theriver.com
>
>

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 06:12:42 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: more VIN swapping and cop -outs

Chris, I'll repeat what I said before:  Originality is a matter of degree.
And *is* important to some people.  Very important.  Okay, it is not
important to you and others here.  That's your opinion, and that's okay for
you.
"Preserving the gene pool" is no more "selfish" than *your* point of view is
"jealous".  There are shoes for both feet.  OCA is supposed to be about the
"preservation of Oldsmobiles" and I still believe in that.  Difficulty and
expense are no reasons to throw in the towel.  There are plenty of
profiteers out there, and they're already exploiting this situation.  And I
for one would like to minimize their impact.  We're not owners, we are
caretakers.  (Most of) these cars will still be here long after we're gone.
If we give a @#*$.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)


> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of Chris Carson
> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2004 1:01 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: more VIN swapping
>
>
> > Modify the ordinary cars as much as you want, just don't
> pollute the gene
> > pool with fakes so that there's more "rare" cars out there.
>
> Why is there so much infatuation with the rear sheetmetal of the
> car? Why is
> it that a body shell isn't as replacable as an air filter? In the north,
> sheet metal rusts just as an air filter becomes dirty or points wear
> out...just takes a bit longer. Would anyone kill a car because of a bad
> distributor or air filter? I don't think so. Why should the body shell be
> any different? My car wasn't the same after I rebuilt the points...it was
> BETTER.
> A Hurst/Olds is made a Hurst/Olds by all the parts that accompany the
> package. Bitch and moan about originality all you want, but when it comes
> down to it, you're paying for the privilidge to have a dual gate
> shifter and
> the H/O badge on the sail panel. Your comment of "polluting the gene pool"
> really has its roots in selfishness; the more clones out there, the lower
> the value of your car...I speak hypothetically, this seems to be the
> attitude of the general populus. But what about those who do not
> have a 442
> or a H/O? I'd settle for a rebodied (or even....god
> forbid...CLONED!) 442 or
> H/O over a plain-jane Cutlass ANY DAY - so long as it's done well and with
> care. -THAT- is what counts in the classic automobile market.
> My car stopped being original 32 years ago, when the original
> owner changed
> the oil.
> Chris
>
>

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:06:26 EDT
From: HURSTOLDZ@aol.com
Subject: Re: your '64 442

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In a message dated 8/3/2004 3:00:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
imp@theriver.com writes:
Feel good about yourselves. We stopped some poor soul from being ripped off
by luvdg@aol.com , at least for now. His fake '64 442, eBay item
#2486025957, with an automatic and the wrong emblems has been pulled from
sale.

"The seller ended this listing early because the item is no longer available
for sale."

I wonder what he'll do next? Good work. Outstanding!
Hey Milton,

It will be back up again I am sure.

This car was up on ebay last week  and he got enough emails that he CHANGED 
the ad  to say that   he found out that the car was not a real 442.  The  
auction ended  without a sale   so he RELISTED   it  as a REAL 442  again.

What makes it worse is this  guy about 2 -3 weeks ago was asking this list 
(or one of the other oldsmobile groups on yahoo)  for help verifying if his 64 
442 was real or not which means that he had his doubts even before his first 
try on ebay.

Don't be surprised if you see it on ebay again as a REAL 442.

What a pantload.

Vinny

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<DIV>Hey Milton,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>It will be back up again I am sure.</DIV>
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<DIV>This car was up on ebay last week&nbsp; and he got enough emails that h=
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<DIV>Don't be surprised if you see it on ebay again as a REAL 442.</DIV>
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:25:24 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: Olds still for sale $3k

Hi all,

I am still trying to sell my 68 Ninety Eight convertible and willing to take
$3k. It has to be moved by this Saturday and I have no idea where to take it
and would rather not have to have it towed, so if you are local and can pick
it up, that's best. Let me know if there is any interest out there. I have a
perfect trunk pan and the original #'s matching transmission that can be
thrown into the deal if desired.

Thanks,
John Nasta
http://johnnnasta.com/6898
http://johnnasta.com/6898/morepix

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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 09:25:51 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: Scammer Ruth lost "her" acct at Yahoo

Well, well
I fwd'd scam alert to postmaster@yahoo.com on "Ruth Collins" yahoo address

They actually killed the account!
Score one for the good guys
now I won't be getting a [faux cashier's] ck from them I guess :-(
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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 08:41:36 -0500
From: "Scott White" <scottwhite98@hotmail.com>
Subject: 307 to 350 swap

Hello-

You guys are great. I tell you what I want and you tell me how to get there. 
  It's perfect.   I am going to keep the CCC, get an ECM and A-4 intake from 
a pre-'84 307, and have the TH2004r worked on so it's as good as new.

I am left with two decisions: To cam or not to cam  and new differential or 
not?    Glancing at the Comp Cams catalog from 2001, there are only *3* cams 
I could use without having to change the valve springs--something I was 
hoping to avoid.    Is there a good cam that will bring HP and torque up a 
bit on the low end?     I am aware of only two differential gear ratios for 
G-bodys; my 2.56 and the 442's 3.73....is there something in between I can 
try to find?

Thanks!

On digest mode
Scott White
93 Cutlass Supreme S (POS driver)
86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (front end hurt)
70 Cutlass Supreme  (crying tears of neglect)
55 Super 88 (Needs work. Volunteers?)

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:50:27 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

So it must be still ok. Now, when going wider, I had my rims cut and widened
to the outside, same backspacing hence. It gave me a much better stability
in turns and nicer look as well. I will try the same in the current 81, but
staying conservative,say 8"... hmmm ... makes me think about the chrome
rings inside - they will not fit if I do this... I will see first how those
245/60/14 look, but this will have to wait, actual tires are still pretty
good, unfortunatelly :-(
Matt

> > If the tire fabricant says so... but it must be on the low limit. The
> > 245/60/14s need 7-9" rims, I would say the 8" would be the best, 255s...
> > hmmm...wider are, right?
> > Matt
> >
>
> http://www.bfgoodrichtires.com/assets/pdf/radial_ta.pdf
>
> Note that 7" is minimum recommended width. I plan on going to 8" or maybe
even 9" (eventually ???) but if I never do
> it's no big deal. They look good. They help to fill that HUGE rear
fenderwell (which still has too much clearance
> between the outside of the rim and inside of the fender, in my opinion).
And as for the detremental handling of an
> oversized tire....puulease......I drive a 69 Cutlass, with an 9 year old
and 7 year old usually riding in the back seat
> (It's not like I'd be carving 1 G turns even if I could).
>
> Incidentally, largest combo I've seen on this car is a 295 50 on a 10"
rim. They fit perfectly with no
> interferance......sweet.
>
> Kevin
>
>

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:00:30 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: 307 to 350 swap

Look at the PAW, Summit, Jegs catalogs, there are plenty of available gears
for your rear end.
Now, people like Reiders gears, have similiar prices and much better help in
need. Sometimes, they are even chaeper on some expensive parts like Eaton
posis
rgds
Matt
81CS 468ci

> Hello-
>
> You guys are great. I tell you what I want and you tell me how to get
there.
>   It's perfect.   I am going to keep the CCC, get an ECM and A-4 intake
from
> a pre-'84 307, and have the TH2004r worked on so it's as good as new.
>
> I am left with two decisions: To cam or not to cam  and new differential
or
> not?    Glancing at the Comp Cams catalog from 2001, there are only *3*
cams
> I could use without having to change the valve springs--something I was
> hoping to avoid.    Is there a good cam that will bring HP and torque up a
> bit on the low end?     I am aware of only two differential gear ratios
for
> G-bodys; my 2.56 and the 442's 3.73....is there something in between I can
> try to find?
>
> Thanks!
>
> On digest mode
> Scott White
> 93 Cutlass Supreme S (POS driver)
> 86 Cutlass Supreme Brougham (front end hurt)
> 70 Cutlass Supreme  (crying tears of neglect)
> 55 Super 88 (Needs work. Volunteers?)
>
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 10:17:20 -0400
From: "JOHN ORR" <jorr@paylessequipment.com>
Subject: Re: New England Olds show pictures

   great pictures.....  I have a question... well make that two
questions.....   the 67 442 black rag top....  has OAI set up...  1) was
that not just for W30 cars, and did they make a W30 drop top?   2) where can
I find the air scoops?
john
67 cutlass supreme....  not making a clone, just would like to set up OAI

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Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 10:21:33 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: New England Olds show pix

>Had a splendid time at the New England Olds show this afternoon.  Had the
>pleasure of seeing Dan G's with his black W31, John P & family, and Bill R
>with his 455 powered 85 Cutlass.  I managed to take some pictures which
are available here:
>http://maytag87.dyndns.org:8081/rob/CTOldsShow2004/
>Rob
========================

Nice selection!
Was every '68 there with fender stripes painted incorrectly, running the 
stripes into the w/o trim? Or, is that just my imagination? to wit:
http://megatron.stonehill.edu/images/neoc2004/DSC00614a.jpg
http://megatron.stonehill.edu/images/neoc2004/DSC00630.jpg

Bronze upper alt'r bracket? Manual brakes on a non-W car?
http://megatron.stonehill.edu/images/neoc2004/DSC00651.jpg

I'd like a bigger better version of the red convert 68 photo I guess.
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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 07:29:35 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 307 to 350 swap

> I am left with two decisions: To cam or not to cam  and new differential
or
> not?    Glancing at the Comp Cams catalog from 2001, there are only *3*
cams
> I could use without having to change the valve springs--something I was
> hoping to avoid.    Is there a good cam that will bring HP and torque up a
> bit on the low end?


Probably from the way you state that, either of those cams could be good, as
long as not much low end torque is sacrificed or the torque peak isn't
raised too high in RPM. However, you will still need to change the valve
springs, unless your 350 has been recently rebuilt and the valve springs
have already been replaced. Weak valve springs affect engine performance
throughout the RPM range, not just on top end. With the engine out of the
car, it's very easy to change the valve springs with the correct ones to
match the new cam. It should be done to make sure everything is done right,
the first time. You are going to some considerable effort to begin with.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 11:07:05 -0400
From: "Joe" <w30442@zoominternet.net>
Subject: Re: New England Olds show pix

Chris,
The green 68 has Cutlass badges on the stripe. 
Joe



> 
> Nice selection!
> Was every '68 there with fender stripes painted incorrectly, running the 
> stripes into the w/o trim? Or, is that just my imagination? to wit:
> http://megatron.stonehill.edu/images/neoc2004/DSC00614a.jpg
> 

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 09:55:38 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: Rebuilding a TH 350 behind a 355

> From: "Brian J Kerr" <bkerr@ecologistics.com>
> To: "Olds List" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 5:36 AM
> Subject: Rebuilding a TH 350 behind a 355


snip

> What torque converter and modifications outside of a standard rebuild
> would be recommended for this transmission?  

Don't settle for a "standard rebuild", go for a "performance rebuild". You'll need a quality roller sprag and hardened race,  heavy duty band, and upgrade the clutches and steels to performance ones - I think mine are Redline clutches and Kolene steels, but I'd have to check my records on that. Your tranny builder should know what needs to be done for a performance rebuild, though. Just ask him. And don't forget to modify the valve body for improved shifting. I like the Trans Go shift kits (they were actually recommended by GM back in the early '80s, so I'm convinced). Get the full Stage 1, 2 or 3 kit, not the $30 "shift improver" kit. 

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:38:34 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

> > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 00:58:42 -0400
> > From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
> > Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
>
> snip
>
> > BTW, your 7" rims are too narrow for those rear tires...
>
> They should work just fine. I had 255-60-15s mounted on 7" rims
> on the rear of my car for many, many years. The tires fit very
> well on the 7" rims, in my opinion.
>
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> Phoenix, AZ

> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:51:17 -0400
> From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
> Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
> 
> If the tire fabricant says so... but it must be on the low limit. The
> 245/60/14s need 7-9" rims, I would say the 8" would be the 
> best, 255s...
> hmmm...wider are, right?
> Matt
> 


Ack. Now my 245-60-14s aren't supposed to fit well on the original 14x7 SSII rims? I have run the 245s ever since I got new tires for the convertible back in 1993 or so. There couldn't be a better fit between tread width and rim width, in my opinion.

And yes, 255s are wider, but we were talking about 15" rims with those, not 14" rims. 

As for the tire manufacturer's recommendations, the BFG web site shows 7" to 8.5" rim width for the 245-60-14. The 7" to 9" recommendation is for the 255-60-15.

Kenneth 
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ 

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 12:57:57 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 2004 22:16:13 -0700
> From: Kevin & Casey Olund <kcolund@shaw.ca>
> Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff


> Note that 7" is minimum recommended width. I plan on going to 8" or maybe 
> even 9" (eventually ???) but if I never do it's no big deal. They look good. 

I agree 100%.

> They help to fill that HUGE rear fenderwell 

I run 245s on the front as well. It allows me to rotate the tires front to 
back, plus provides a wider tread width for traction up front (for improved 
handling).

> (which still has too much clearance between the outside of the rim and 
> inside of the fender, in my opinion). 

Again, I agree. A '70-'72 Cutlass viewed from the rear with anything skinnier 
than 245s looks just plain silly, with those skinny little tires and the huge 
fender well.

> And as for the detremental handling of an oversized tire....puulease......I 
> drive a 69 Cutlass, with an 9 year old and 7 year old usually riding in the 
> back seat (It's not like I'd be carving 1 G turns even if I could).

And how much better handling would there be with a tire that matches the factory 
specs but has a much taller sidewall? NONE, that's how much.

> Incidentally, largest combo I've seen on this car is a 295 50 on a 10" rim. They 
> fit perfectly with no interferance......sweet.
> 
> Kevin

Again, I agree 100%. Nothing like that rear view with rubber filling the fender wells, 
with the edge of the tire in line with the fender, as if it were designed to be that way, 
and still room for full suspension travel.  
Just why do ya' suppose GM made those fender wells so deep? Certainly not for clearance 
for some F70-14s, right?

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:09:12 -0400
From: "Tour Op & Travel Agency Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

> > > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 00:58:42 -0400
> > > From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
> > > Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
> >
> > snip
> >
> > > BTW, your 7" rims are too narrow for those rear tires...
> >
> > They should work just fine. I had 255-60-15s mounted on 7" rims
> > on the rear of my car for many, many years. The tires fit very
> > well on the 7" rims, in my opinion.
> >
> > Kenneth
> > 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> > Phoenix, AZ
>
> > Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:51:17 -0400
> > From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
> > Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
> >
> > If the tire fabricant says so... but it must be on the low limit. The
> > 245/60/14s need 7-9" rims, I would say the 8" would be the
> > best, 255s...
> > hmmm...wider are, right?
> > Matt
> >
>
>
> Ack. Now my 245-60-14s aren't supposed to fit well on the original 14x7
SSII rims? I have run the 245s ever since I got new tires for the
convertible back in 1993 or so. There couldn't be a better fit between tread
width and rim width, in my opinion.
>
> And yes, 255s are wider, but we were talking about 15" rims with those,
not 14" rims.
>
> As for the tire manufacturer's recommendations, the BFG web site shows 7"
to 8.5" rim width for the 245-60-14. The 7" to 9" recommendation is for the
255-60-15.
>
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> Phoenix, AZ
Sure, right on the paper... but I'd say it must be the commercial point of
view, extending the low limit to the most popular rims width, for the folks
who decide to buy tires to go with those 245s/255s on stock wheels. Had I
more time and money  I would definitively go with 8" for the 245/255 and
with 9" for the 265/275, 10" for 295s... look better and MUST handle better.
The rim width should be close to the thread , to keep the tire wall in a
vertical position. The 245 on the 7" just don't look perfect... in my
opinion. One inch to the outside will give a better look and a better grip,
that is sure...
rgds
Matt

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 14:21:44 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff

Kenneth,

As a rule of thumb, the ideal is having the tread wide 1" wider than the rim
width. However, 1/2" to 1 1/2" tread width wider than rim width is fine,
particularly with radial tires.

So, the $64 question, how wide is your tread?

On my '65 F-85 4-door and my not running '64 Cutlass, I have 7 1/2" tread
width on 6" wide 14" wheels. It works fine.

On Thunder, the fronts are 7" tread on 7" rims (the best I could do to find
a close enough tire to work right - I really needed a bigger tire, but it
wasn't available) and the rears are 9" tread on 8.5" rims. But that has also
worked out fine with no negatives at all.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff


> > > Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 00:58:42 -0400
> > > From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
> > > Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
> >
> > snip
> >
> > > BTW, your 7" rims are too narrow for those rear tires...
> >
> > They should work just fine. I had 255-60-15s mounted on 7" rims
> > on the rear of my car for many, many years. The tires fit very
> > well on the 7" rims, in my opinion.
> >
> > Kenneth
> > 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> > Phoenix, AZ
>
> > Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2004 22:51:17 -0400
> > From: "Trade 2000" <travelchile@manquehue.net>
> > Subject: Re: Without Driving off a Cliff
> >
> > If the tire fabricant says so... but it must be on the low limit. The
> > 245/60/14s need 7-9" rims, I would say the 8" would be the
> > best, 255s...
> > hmmm...wider are, right?
> > Matt
> >
>
>
> Ack. Now my 245-60-14s aren't supposed to fit well on the original 14x7
SSII rims? I have run the 245s ever since I got new tires for the
convertible back in 1993 or so. There couldn't be a better fit between tread
width and rim width, in my opinion.
>
> And yes, 255s are wider, but we were talking about 15" rims with those,
not 14" rims.
>
> As for the tire manufacturer's recommendations, the BFG web site shows 7"
to 8.5" rim width for the 245-60-14. The 7" to 9" recommendation is for the
255-60-15.
>
> Kenneth
> 1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
> Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:23:54 -0400
From: "Dan Roethel" <droethel@rogers.com>
Subject: Exhaust manifold paint

I would like to paint the exhaust manifolds on my car. Has anyone used
Dupli Colour engine enamel on exhaust manifolds?
The temperature rating is good to 500 F.
VHT also makes paint that is good to 1500 F but I can't find it in cast iron
colour at the local stores.
Any advise of experience would be appreciated.

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:18:49 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: New England Olds show pictures

There were no '67 factory W-30 converts.  One could still get a dealer
installed kit, though.  At one time Curt Anderson was furnishing
reproduction scoops and hardware.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of JOHN ORR
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 9:17 AM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: New England Olds show pictures
>
>
>    great pictures.....  I have a question... well make that two
> questions.....   the 67 442 black rag top....  has OAI set up...  1) was
> that not just for W30 cars, and did they make a W30 drop top?
> 2) where can
> I find the air scoops?
> john
> 67 cutlass supreme....  not making a clone, just would like to set up OAI
>
>

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Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:52:37 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: more VIN swapping and cop -outs

Some of us are bent on putting as many miles on Olds V8s 
as possible.  Not sure that is "preservation".  

Bruce (drives 70s coast to coast) Roe

3 Aug 2004  "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net> writes:

> OCA is supposed to be about the "preservation of Oldsmobiles"

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:41:29 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: Olds still for sale $3k

The car is located where?   Bruce

3 Aug 2004  "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com> writes:
> Hi all,
> 
> I am still trying to sell my 68 Ninety Eight convertible and willing 
> to take
> $3k. It has to be moved by this Saturday and I have no idea where to 
> take it
> and would rather not have to have it towed, so if you are local and 
> can pick
> it up, that's best. Let me know if there is any interest out there. 
> I have a
> perfect trunk pan and the original #'s matching transmission that 
> can be thrown into the deal if desired.
> 
> Thanks,
> John Nasta

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 17:14:22 -0500
From: bcroe@juno.com
Subject: 307 to 350 swap

There is a 2.73 in my shed from a 79 W30.  Car 
had a 350 engine, 350 trans.  Bruce Roe

3 Aug 2004  "Scott White" <scottwhite98@hotmail.com> writes:
>  Is there a good cam that will bring HP and torque up a 
> bit on the low end?     I am aware of only two differential gear 
> ratios for G-bodys; my 2.56 and the 442's 3.73....is there 
> something in between I can try to find?

> Scott White

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 16:02:44 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Exhaust manifold paint

> I would like to paint the exhaust manifolds on my car. Has anyone used
> Dupli Colour engine enamel on exhaust manifolds?
> The temperature rating is good to 500 F.


That won't last very long.


> VHT also makes paint that is good to 1500 F but I can't find it in cast
iron
> colour at the local stores.
> Any advise of experience would be appreciated.


The VHT paint will work great. The exhaust manifolds will need to be
sandblasted or glassbeaded first. For a gray cast iron color, you could try
Eastwood. They have a brush applied paint coating that will work extremely
well.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 18:07:29 -0500
From: "JBS" <jbschuren@houston.rr.com>
Subject: sold

Just sold my 71 Cutlass Supreme Conv over the weekend and I just wanted to
thank everyone on the list for the incredible insight and knowledge that you
all shared with me (and others) over the years I owned the car. I told the
new onwer about the list... hopefully he'll sign up!!!
I hope to return to the list soon....hopefully!

Thanks again
Jason

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:09:44 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: more VIN swapping and cop -outs

Heck no, Bruce.  But no problem with that.  The preservation point is not to
save them all!  Nor to keep all of them as original as possible.  But to
preserve and "collect" some.  And desireability usually dictates what to
save.  And dollar values follow.

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of bcroe@juno.com
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 5:53 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: more VIN swapping and cop -outs
>
>
> Some of us are bent on putting as many miles on Olds V8s
> as possible.  Not sure that is "preservation".
>
> Bruce (drives 70s coast to coast) Roe
>
> 3 Aug 2004  "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net> writes:
>
> > OCA is supposed to be about the "preservation of Oldsmobiles"
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 20:46:30 -0400
From: "John Orr" <olds330@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: New England Olds show pictures

  Kurt,
   not to sound stupid, who, and how would I find "At one time Curt Anderson
was furnishing reproduction scoops and hardware."  the only thing I really
need is the head light scoops....
thanks,
john

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:15:08 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: 307 to 350 swap

At 08:41 AM 08/03/2004 -0500, Scott wrote:
>Hello-
>
>You guys are great. I tell you what I want and you tell me how to get there. 
>  It's perfect.   I am going to keep the CCC, get an ECM and A-4 intake from 
>a pre-'84 307, and have the TH2004r worked on so it's as good as new.
>

Well, I understand that up to and INCLUDING 1984 was pre-roller, and the
9-code engine was also non-roller in 1985.

At least I'm pretty sure that's how it worked...

Also, I could've sworn that someone on the Olds G-body list said that if
you've got a roller-ECM, use it.  Don't know the how/why behind it, as I'd
always been under the impression you should use a non-roller 307.  Anyone
know the low-down on this?


>I am left with two decisions: To cam or not to cam  and new differential or 
>not?    Glancing at the Comp Cams catalog from 2001, there are only *3* cams 
>I could use without having to change the valve springs--something I was 
>hoping to avoid.    Is there a good cam that will bring HP and torque up a 
>bit on the low end?     I am aware of only two differential gear ratios for 
>G-bodys; my 2.56 and the 442's 3.73....is there something in between I can 
>try to find?
>

Quite a few were available from 78 to 88 on A/G body cars...

>From the oldsgmail.com website, see:

http://tech.oldsgmail.com/axle_useage.html


	- Joe Vahabzadeh

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:20:11 -0400
From: Joe Vahabzadeh <king_v@mindless.com>
Subject: Re: Olds still for sale $3k

At 05:41 PM 08/03/2004 -0500, Bruce wrote:
>The car is located where?   Bruce
>

IIRC he's in Staten Island.

>3 Aug 2004  "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com> writes:
<snip>
http://johnnnasta.com/6898
http://johnnasta.com/6898/morepix

That first link should be corrected to http://johnnasta.com/6898

By the way, I really REALLY at this point wish I had a real job.... 

	- Joe Vahabzadeh

------------------------------

Date: Wed, 04 Aug 2004 01:41:50 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 307 to 350 swap

At 09:15 PM 8/3/2004 -0400, you wrote:
>Also, I could've sworn that someone on the Olds G-body list 
>said that if you've got a roller-ECM, use it.  Don't know the 
>how/why behind it, as I'd always been under the impression you 
>should use a non-roller 307.  Anyone know the low-down on this?

Yes; that's precisely what I said the other day. The '87+ ECMs and
particularly the '88+ 1288330 model were far better than the earlier ones.
There's no problem handling the slightly-different vacuum characteristics
of a non-roller engine any more than there is with running the ECM with a
350, 403 or, if you really know what you're doing, a 455.

>Quite a few were available from 78 to 88 on A/G body cars...
>
>>From the oldsgmail.com website, see:
>
>http://tech.oldsgmail.com/axle_useage.html

Unfortunately, very few people ordered any of those optional ratios  ;o(((

In any case, you'd be better off buying a new ring/pinion set since the old
set would have to be completely set up unless you swap the whole rear end.
And if you wanna install a posi carrier, the ring/pinion have to be set up
anyway.

SteveH

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:46:09 -0400
From: "Kurt" <wmachine@shubes.net>
Subject: RE: New England Olds show pictures

Curt is also the OCA advisor for '66-'67 W-30s:
cdaoai@earthlink.net

Kurt mailto:wmachine@shubes.net
http://wmachines.shubes.net
'65 Jetstar 1 (4-speed)       '66 442 Sport Coupe (Tri-Carb, 4-speed)
'67 442 Convertible (4-speed) '69 442 Convertible (3-speed manual)
'92 Achieva SCX W-41(5-speed) '04 Expedition (no-speed)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
> [mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of John Orr
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 7:47 PM
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: New England Olds show pictures
>
>
>   Kurt,
>    not to sound stupid, who, and how would I find "At one time
> Curt Anderson
> was furnishing reproduction scoops and hardware."  the only thing I really
> need is the head light scoops....
> thanks,
> john
>
>

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2004 21:49:34 -0400
From: "Daniel R. Gerow" <dgerow@stonehill.edu>
Subject: Re: New England Olds show pix

>Christopher Witt wrote:
>
> I'd like a bigger better version of the red convert 68 photo I guess.

Here ya go:

http://megatron.stonehill.edu/images/68neoc01.jpg

http://megatron.stonehill.edu/images/68neoc02.jpg

~ Dan

+++++++++++++++++++++++++
Daniel R. Gerow
'70 W-31 Post 4spd
dgerow@stonehill.edu
http://www.oldsrocket.com
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 03 Aug 2004 21:53:25 -0400
From: Jack Kopf <jkopf@optonline.net>
Subject: RE: Olds still for sale $3k

Mattituck NY 11952. Eastern Long Island. About 90 minutes from New York
City.

- -----Original Message-----
From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
[mailto:oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca]On Behalf Of bcroe@juno.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 6:41 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Olds still for sale $3k


The car is located where?   Bruce

3 Aug 2004  "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com> writes:
> Hi all,
>
> I am still trying to sell my 68 Ninety Eight convertible and willing
> to take
> $3k. It has to be moved by this Saturday and I have no idea where to
> take it
> and would rather not have to have it towed, so if you are local and
> can pick
> it up, that's best. Let me know if there is any interest out there.
> I have a
> perfect trunk pan and the original #'s matching transmission that
> can be thrown into the deal if desired.
>
> Thanks,
> John Nasta

------------------------------

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