
oldsmobile-digest       Saturday, July 3 2004       Volume 01 : Number 4940



Now THAT's close to home!
Re: the W-31 is now legal AND my personalized IL plate 
Re: the W-31 is now legal AND my personalized IL plate
Re: Now THAT's close to home!
RE: YZ exh vs. Hooker comps
Re: Vacuum Question
Re: Now THAT's close to home!
Re: the W-31 is now legal AND my personalized IL plate 
Re: Vacuum Question
Vacuum power trunk on 4 speed
christmas in july and speaking of distributors
Re: OAI and Manifold Choices
1964 Cutlass ower Steering Pulley for A/C equipped cars Part # 384678
Re: christmas in july and speaking of distributors
Re: 1964 Cutlass ower Steering Pulley for A/C equipped cars Part # 384678
Re: 1964 Cutlass ower Steering Pulley for A/C equipped cars Part # 384678
Re: 1964 Cutlass ower Steering Pulley for A/C equipped cars Part # 384678
Re: 1964 Cutlass ower Steering Pulley for A/C equipped cars Part # 384678
Reasons To Keep Your Photo Off The Internet
Re: the W-31 is now legal AND my personalized IL plate
Re: Reasons To Keep Your Photo Off The Internet
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"World's Smallest" Dolts

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:18:39 -0400
From: robert.demuth@prudential.com
Subject: Now THAT's close to home!

>>Cool, and no flame intended here, but once it's roadworthy, please don't
even drive to the _corner_ without insurance on it. My own nightmare
occurred three blocks from home. (To this day I'm glad I was insured.)<<

Heh ... I've got you beat.  When I was in 6th grade, my Mom and I got hit
when pulling into our driveway!  Seems the guy coming up behind us on the
suburban side street we lived on was unhappy with our speed and attempted
to pass us as we left turned into our driveway.  That little 85 Chrysler
minivan was never the same after that hit.  Don't even pull out of the
driveway without insurance!

Bob DeMuth.
'72 88 conv.
some other stuff

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:24:37 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: the W-31 is now legal AND my personalized IL plate 

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In a message dated 7/2/04 8:55:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time,  
oldslist@netscape.net
writes:

> Shoot,
> In Virginia you have to have insurance before they will give you ANY 
> tags, even antiques. You guys got it made in Illinois....
> 

This brings up the thing that irritates me the absolute most.  In Missouri 
you have to buy insurance in order to get tags.  It is a state law that you 
cannot get your plates renewed, or buy new plates, until you show proof of 
insurance.  Why, in God's name, must you pay an extra charge on your insurance for 
uninsured motorists then?  I realize that the potential exists for an 
out-of-state driver to plow into the side of your car. But, with 98 or 99% of the 
drivers on the road with you on a daily basis, if 100% of them are SUPPOSED to have 
insurance on their cars, why should you have to pay the uninsured motorist 
surcharge on your insurance policy?  Does everyone pay this unnecessary (to me, 
anyway) fee, or is it just the people in Missouri?  Is there any way to get 
around it?  Or am I just being cheap or paranoid?  Anyone care to comment on 
this?
Thanks,
Steve D

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=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">In a message dated 7/2/04 8:55:41 A=
M Pacific Daylight Time,&nbsp; oldslist@netscape.net<BR>
writes:<BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Shoot,<BR>
In Virginia you have to have insurance before they will give you ANY <BR>
tags, even antiques. You guys got it made in Illinois....<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
This brings up the thing that irritates me the absolute most.&nbsp; In Misso=
uri you have to buy insurance in order to get tags.&nbsp; It is a state law=20=
that you cannot get your plates renewed, or buy new plates, until you show p=
roof of insurance.&nbsp; Why, in God's name, must you pay an extra charge on=
 your insurance for uninsured motorists then?&nbsp; I realize that the poten=
tial exists for an out-of-state driver to plow into the side of your car. Bu=
t, with 98 or 99% of the drivers on the road with you on a daily basis, if 1=
00% of them are SUPPOSED to have insurance on their cars, why should you hav=
e to pay the uninsured motorist surcharge on your insurance policy?&nbsp; Do=
es everyone pay this unnecessary (to me, anyway) fee, or is it just the peop=
le in Missouri?&nbsp; Is there any way to get around it?&nbsp; Or am I just=20=
being cheap or paranoid?&nbsp; Anyone care to comment on this?<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
Steve D</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:25:59 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: the W-31 is now legal AND my personalized IL plate

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Shoot,
In Virginia you have to have insurance before they will give you ANY 
tags, even antiques. You guys got it made in Illinois....
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oh it's got insurance TRUST ME!!!!!!  there is no way in hell I'd have the car sit without comprehensive on it.  But I don't have insurance to drive it.  I guess I should have been more clear.
 
when I take my cars off the road during the winter, I suspend all coverage (I have full coverage) except comprehensive.  The F-85, W-31 and mustang all fall under this umbrella.  The truck is insured all the time.  I even have comprehensive insurance on my 66 GTO and it's a rolling shell.  Yes James Aiello, I have a GTO dangit!!!!!
 
do we have it made.  doubt that.  But I have on many occasions gotten IL title and plates without an IL drivers license.  I still have my IN license.  But that doesn't appear to be a problem.  Although try explaining that to an officer if you get pulled over.  by law you have 30 days after you move (whether into the state OR next door) to get a new drivers license.
 
Chris
grp442@yahoo.com

		
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<DIV>Shoot,<BR>In Virginia you have to have insurance before they will give you ANY <BR>tags, even antiques. You guys got it made in Illinois....<BR>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------</DIV>
<DIV>oh it's got insurance TRUST ME!!!!!!&nbsp; there is no way in hell I'd have the car sit without comprehensive on it.&nbsp; But I don't have insurance to drive it.&nbsp; I guess I should have been more clear.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>when I take my cars off the road during the winter, I suspend all coverage (I have full coverage) except comprehensive.&nbsp; The F-85, W-31 and mustang all fall under this umbrella.&nbsp; The truck is insured all the time.&nbsp; I even have comprehensive insurance on my 66 GTO and it's a rolling shell.&nbsp; Yes James Aiello, I have a GTO dangit!!!!!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>do we have it made.&nbsp; doubt that.&nbsp; But I have on many occasions gotten IL title and plates without an IL drivers license.&nbsp; I still have my IN license.&nbsp; But that doesn't appear to be a problem.&nbsp; Although try explaining that to an officer if you get pulled over.&nbsp; by law you have 30 days after you move (whether into the state OR next door) to get a new drivers license.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Chris</DIV>
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:35:02 -0400
From: "Pat Swanton \"swanny\"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Now THAT's close to home!

Insurance is definitely the way to go with any car.

Unfortunately it is not required here in NH, but you need it to travel into
MA, VT, ME, CT, RI. Well thats as far as I venture anyway. But what about
the idiot who doesn't have Ins. and hits you and takes off, leaving you with
no plate #. Your screwed! The Ins on my Cutty is a $500.00 deductable and
after that the car will be totaled because of the book value!

If I shell out the cash to have it appraised (which has to be done once a
year) per order insurance rules, I still lose. The $$ I save verses the $$
it's worth, the #'s just don't add up.

I'm not including the cars that some have put 10's of thousands of $$ into!

Blue book on my car, doesn't even exsist.

My insanity rule is, always assume that the other driver on the road doesn't
have a clue! Then pray to the idiot gods that person will not cross your
path.

Please everyone, be safe this holiday and watch out for those who don't have
a clue!

Cheers
Pat Swanton
Winchester NH
1978 Cutlass Supreme
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78

- ----- Original Message -----
From: <robert.demuth@prudential.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 12:18 PM
Subject: Now THAT's close to home!


>
> >>Cool, and no flame intended here, but once it's roadworthy, please don't
> even drive to the _corner_ without insurance on it. My own nightmare
> occurred three blocks from home. (To this day I'm glad I was insured.)<<
>
> Heh ... I've got you beat.  When I was in 6th grade, my Mom and I got hit
> when pulling into our driveway!  Seems the guy coming up behind us on the
> suburban side street we lived on was unhappy with our speed and attempted
> to pass us as we left turned into our driveway.  That little 85 Chrysler
> minivan was never the same after that hit.  Don't even pull out of the
> driveway without insurance!
>
> Bob DeMuth.
> '72 88 conv.
> some other stuff
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 09:36:25 -0700
From: "Schopen, Kenneth" <kenneth.schopen@medtronic.com>
Subject: RE: YZ exh vs. Hooker comps

> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2004 19:45:34 -0700
> From: geo.aigel@sbcglobal.net
> Subject: RE: YZ exh vs. Hooker comps
> 
> The header opinions are a re-occurring battle on this 
> list. Too bad Padavano is gone, I always could raise hell 
> with him! It became a game in the end...
> 
> George

So are you wanting to delve deeper into the header vs. manifold debate? 
I'm likely gonna run out of steam after a short while and not be much fun 
for you as I'm fairly much a newbie here. Maybe after several "training 
debates" I'll be able to build up towards Padavano's level.

One thing I noticed is that we seemed to be talking about different applications. 
My experience is with Heddman headers on a small block, whereas if I read correctly 
your experiences were with Hooker Super Comps on a big block. The Heddmans have 
1 5/8" primary tubes vs. the Hooker's 2" tubes, so that will make for a much tighter 
fit right off. Add in the extra width of a BBO and you have a lot less room to work 
with. So it seems that we need to be more specific when discussing this, and we can't 
directly compare the one to the other. 

I know, it's not a good start for a debate. More like an agreement already. 
I'll get better with time. 

Kenneth
1971 Cutlass Supreme convertible
Phoenix, AZ

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 13:01:52 EDT
From: NUOLDSMAN@aol.com
Subject: Re: Vacuum Question

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I just finished the new engine and installed it in my 72 Cutlass, now I have 
some problems to work through.  I'm not creating enough vacuum for my power 
brake booster.  I also don't have a port in my Port-O-Sonic intake for a vacuum 
connection to the modulator on the transmission, which I'm pretty certain is 
where it was connected originally.  My question is what is the best way to 
solve this problem?  Do I need to install a vacuum pump, or will a vacuum 
reservoir be sufficient?  I'm not sure how much vacuum the engine is making, if any.  
Haven't put a gauge on it yet.  If I need to install a pump, should I make it 
an electric one, or go with the belt driven kind?  Do I hook the pump into the 
intake manifold and tee off the hoes to both the power brake booster and the 
transmission modulator, or do I run the pump to the brake booster and rig a 
separate hose from the intake, or carb, for the modulator?  Can I run the tranny 
modulator from a source on the carb, or should it be directly from the 
intake?
      The engine is a 468, making over 500 horsepower, with Edelbrock heads, 
the above mentioned intake, Holley 870 Double Pumper, Engle 25/28 cam.  Any 
suggestions welcomed.
Thanks,
Steve D

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=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"0">I just finished the new engine and=20=
installed it in my 72 Cutlass, now I have some problems to work through.&nbs=
p; I'm not creating enough vacuum for my power brake booster.&nbsp; I also d=
on't have a port in my Port-O-Sonic intake for a vacuum connection to the mo=
dulator on the transmission, which I'm pretty certain is where it was connec=
ted originally.&nbsp; My question is what is the best way to solve this prob=
lem?&nbsp; Do I need to install a vacuum pump, or will a vacuum reservoir be=
 sufficient?&nbsp; I'm not sure how much vacuum the engine is making, if any=
.&nbsp; Haven't put a gauge on it yet.&nbsp; If I need to install a pump, sh=
ould I make it an electric one, or go with the belt driven kind?&nbsp; Do I=20=
hook the pump into the intake manifold and tee off the hoes to both the powe=
r brake booster and the transmission modulator, or do I run the pump to the=20=
brake booster and rig a separate hose from the intake, or carb, for the modu=
lator?&nbsp; Can I run the tranny modulator from a source on the carb, or sh=
ould it be directly from the intake?<BR>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The engine is a 468, making over 500 horsepow=
er, with Edelbrock heads, the above mentioned intake, Holley 870 Double Pump=
er, Engle 25/28 cam.&nbsp; Any suggestions welcomed.<BR>
Thanks,<BR>
Steve D</FONT></HTML>

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:05:12 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: Now THAT's close to home!

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004, Pat Swanton "swanny" wrote:
> If I shell out the cash to have it appraised (which has to be done once a
> year) per order insurance rules, I still lose. The $$ I save verses the $$
> it's worth, the #'s just don't add up.

For my Cutlass (which has collector car insurance) the appraisal is once
every 5 years. Maybe every company is different.

Back when I had my old '78 Delta, a tree belonging to the city fell on it.
The estimate to repair was $1800. The city accepted liability and sent out
an adjuster to look at it. Blue book at the time surely would have been
less than that, but when he looked at the car he agreed it was worth that
or more and agreed to cover the claim. Again, maybe other situations are
different.

Speaking of Deltas and other big cars, 2 quick notes: I saw an absolutely
mint '83 Delta Royale Brougham here today, just beautiful. 68,xxx km on
the odo, parked at the far end of a big home center parking lot.
Definitely an old person's car. I'm not seeing very many of these in any
condition around here these days, much less nice ones.

Also: my '79 Electra made an appearance the other day. The new owner has
had it repainted in the original color and it looks very sharp. The only
negative is that he chose not to reuse the original wide color-keyed
bodyside moldings (they were tired-looking but unique, with a chrome
stripe inset in the middle) and it looks a little bare on the bodysides.
Nice to know it's moved to a good home.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 14:08:52 -0300 (ADT)
From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Subject: Re: the W-31 is now legal AND my personalized IL plate 

On Fri, 2 Jul 2004 NUOLDSMAN@aol.com wrote:
> This brings up the thing that irritates me the absolute most.  In Missouri 
> you have to buy insurance in order to get tags.  It is a state law that you 
> cannot get your plates renewed, or buy new plates, until you show proof of 
> insurance. 

This came into effect just last year up here. It was in response to an
"insurance crisis" that saw rates skyrocket and coverages denied, that led
to tremendous pressure on the government to do something.

> Why, in God's name, must you pay an extra charge on your insurance for 
> uninsured motorists then?  I realize that the potential exists for an 
> out-of-state driver to plow into the side of your car. But, with 98 or 99% of the 
> drivers on the road with you on a daily basis, if 100% of them are SUPPOSED to have 
> insurance on their cars, why should you have to pay the uninsured motorist 
> surcharge on your insurance policy?  Does everyone pay this unnecessary (to me, 
> anyway) fee, or is it just the people in Missouri?  Is there any way to get 
> around it?  Or am I just being cheap or paranoid?  Anyone care to comment on 
> this?

Typical of insurance companies, they cried to government for all sorts of
consessions like this and then didn't drop their rates. In fact, they
reported record profits for the first quarter of the year. Nice work if
you can get it.

Greg Beaulieu    ab348@chebucto.ns.ca    Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
          Olds List Admin Info: http://oldslist.oldsgmail.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 11:25:50 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: Vacuum Question

Steve,

Your engine should be in the 16 inch range on vacuum. That's more than
enough for the trans modulator. If there is a continuous vacuum port on the
carb available, you can use it for the modulator. For the power brakes, buy
an off-the-shelf vacuum storage tank. I know the speed shops both in your
area and online should have them. That should fix the brake problem. Worst
case, you can make your own vacuum storage tank. It's easy.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


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From: <NUOLDSMAN@aol.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: Vacuum Question


> I just finished the new engine and installed it in my 72 Cutlass, now I
have
> some problems to work through.  I'm not creating enough vacuum for my
power
> brake booster.  I also don't have a port in my Port-O-Sonic intake for a
vacuum
> connection to the modulator on the transmission, which I'm pretty certain
is
> where it was connected originally.  My question is what is the best way to
> solve this problem?  Do I need to install a vacuum pump, or will a vacuum
> reservoir be sufficient?  I'm not sure how much vacuum the engine is
making, if any.
> Haven't put a gauge on it yet.  If I need to install a pump, should I make
it
> an electric one, or go with the belt driven kind?  Do I hook the pump into
the
> intake manifold and tee off the hoes to both the power brake booster and
the
> transmission modulator, or do I run the pump to the brake booster and rig
a
> separate hose from the intake, or carb, for the modulator?  Can I run the
tranny
> modulator from a source on the carb, or should it be directly from the
> intake?
>       The engine is a 468, making over 500 horsepower, with Edelbrock
heads,
> the above mentioned intake, Holley 870 Double Pumper, Engle 25/28 cam.
Any
> suggestions welcomed.
> Thanks,
> Steve D
>

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Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 15:40:21 -0400
From: "RobV" <rv@comcast.net>
Subject: Vacuum power trunk on 4 speed

Good afternoon folks,

I am planning on installing a vacuum remote trunk setup on my 68 442 4
speed.  With a stock cam, would there be any vacuum issues that may
interfere with the remote trunk function?

Thanks!
Rob

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 12:55:01 -0700 (PDT)
From: chris smetana <grp442@yahoo.com>
Subject: christmas in july and speaking of distributors

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UPS dropped off some gifts for me yesterday.  When I got back from lunch, they had stopped by and delivered my freshly and rebuilt and recurved distributor which I sent off to Ole's Carb and Electric.  I also ordered a torque convertor from Coan Engineering and it arrived as well.
 
I also called Karl Sarpolis who I had rebuild my 29255 carb and arranged to pick it up last night.  It's been done for a week, but I've been fairly busy and unable to get it until last night.  But it was worth the wait.  WOW!!!!!  Talk about looking awesome.  Karl was right, it's a show carb.  Going to be a shame to cover it up with the air cleaner.  He threw all the Doug Roe mods at it, so it's ready to go as soon as I swap in the engine, which I'm starting this weekend.
 
Now I'm just needing to order some detail items before I fire up my baby.  You know, those little things like belts, hoses, hose clamps.  Somewhere I have my plug wire seperaters just have to find where.  Also need to dig out my throttle cable bracket.  Get the correct speedo gear for the tranny since I'm now running 4.33 gears, but I can put that in with the trans in the car.  And I need to install that little loop bracket on the driver front two intake bolts.  Jim didn't like that, said he can't figure out the reason why Olds put it there and he doesn't put it on any of the engines he builds.  But he did give it back to me and I told him, well I'm putting it back on because I'm going the whole 9 yards with the detailing.  We had several good laughs about it.
 
and now for distributors.  Just wondering on the thoughts of this.  Ole's Carb and Electric wrote these specs on the tag when they returned my distributor.  And I gave them all my specs before sending it off.  69 W-31 automatic, factory intake and exhaust, repro f70x14 tires, 308 degree .474 lift cam (factory W-31 duplicate), factory q-jet but with some mods and 10.5:1 compression.  They set up the distributor as follows.
advance starts at 800rpm
engine
has 19 degrees at 3000rpm
22 degrees total at 4500
plus 10 degrees vacc advance
 
The advance starting at 800 caught my attention, just because the car will probably idle at 1000, thats just the way W-31s are.  The factory idle setting was 1000rpm.  Is this an issue?
 
Chris
grp442@yahoo.com
 
1969 W-31  starting the long journey to being back on the road under her own power

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<DIV>UPS dropped off some gifts for me yesterday.&nbsp; When I got back from lunch, they had stopped by and delivered my freshly and rebuilt and recurved distributor which I sent off to Ole's Carb and Electric.&nbsp; I also ordered a torque convertor from Coan Engineering and it arrived as well.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I also called Karl Sarpolis who I had rebuild my 29255 carb and arranged to pick it up last night.&nbsp; It's been done for a week, but I've been fairly busy and unable to get it until last night.&nbsp; But it was worth the wait.&nbsp; WOW!!!!!&nbsp; Talk about looking awesome.&nbsp; Karl was right, it's a show carb.&nbsp; Going to be a shame to cover it up with the air cleaner.&nbsp; He threw all the Doug Roe mods at it, so it's ready to go as soon as I swap in the engine, which I'm starting this weekend.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Now I'm just needing to order some detail items before I fire up my baby.&nbsp; You know, those little things like belts, hoses, hose clamps.&nbsp; Somewhere I have my plug wire seperaters just have to find where.&nbsp; Also need to dig out my throttle cable bracket.&nbsp; Get the correct speedo gear for the tranny since I'm now&nbsp;running 4.33 gears, but I can put that in with the trans in the car.&nbsp; And I need to install that little loop bracket on the driver front two intake bolts.&nbsp; Jim didn't like that, said he can't figure out the reason why&nbsp;Olds put it&nbsp;there and he doesn't put it on any of the engines he builds.&nbsp; But he did give it back to me and I told him, well I'm putting it back on because I'm going the whole&nbsp;9 yards with the detailing.&nbsp; We had several good laughs about it.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>and now for distributors.&nbsp; Just wondering on the thoughts of this.&nbsp; Ole's Carb and Electric wrote these specs on the tag when they returned my distributor.&nbsp; And I gave them all my specs before sending it off.&nbsp; 69 W-31 automatic, factory intake and exhaust, repro f70x14 tires, 308 degree&nbsp;.474 lift cam (factory W-31 duplicate), factory q-jet but with some mods and 10.5:1 compression.&nbsp; They set up the distributor as follows.</DIV>
<DIV>advance starts at 800rpm</DIV>
<DIV>engine</DIV>
<DIV>has 19 degrees at 3000rpm</DIV>
<DIV>22 degrees total at 4500</DIV>
<DIV>plus 10 degrees vacc advance</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The advance starting at 800 caught my attention, just because the car will probably idle at 1000, thats just the way W-31s are.&nbsp; The factory idle setting was 1000rpm.&nbsp; Is this an issue?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Chris</DIV>
<DIV><A href="mailto:grp442@yahoo.com">grp442@yahoo.com</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 15:22:54 -0500
From: "Nick Dean" <sausageman79@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: OAI and Manifold Choices

What about with a 350?  What intakes can fit the OAI hood on that?  I've
been dreaming of getting a repro hood and putting a performer rpm under it.

Nick Dean
SIU Automotive Technology, Carbondale, IL
'72 Cutlass Supreme (needing some work to get back on the road again)
'88 4Runner (desperately desiring a 350 Rocket!)


- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Paul Tumolo" <ptumolo@comcast.net>
To: <IDixon@sbrc.ca>
Cc: "Oldsmobile-Digest" <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 1:07 PM
Subject: OAI and Manifold Choices


> Ian,
>
> The Eddy Performer WILL NOT FIT an Olds Ram Air hood.
>
> The only aftermarket intake that fits is the Eddy O4B. That is it.
>
> Trust me, I spent a lot of time on this!
>
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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:35:38 -0400
From: "Benjamin Ipock" <Benipock@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: 1964 Cutlass ower Steering Pulley for A/C equipped cars Part # 384678

Oldsmobile List users and readers,

I'm looking for a power steering pulley for a 1964 Oldsmobile Cutlass
with factory A/C. The pulley is different from non A/C cars. If any ones
knows of salvage yard or has one on a shelf somewhere please let me
know. I know the part number is 384678. The Pulley is 5-9/16ths with a
keyed hole in the middle, bolts on the to P/S pump shaft. The pulley is
very skinny no more then 1.5" thick. Thanks for the help.

Ben Ipock 
1964 Cutlass Convertible

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 16:07:25 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: christmas in july and speaking of distributors

> And I need to install that little loop bracket on the driver front two
intake bolts.  Jim didn't like that, said he can't figure out the reason why
Olds put it there and he doesn't put it on any of the engines he builds.


If I'm not mistaken, that's a lift loop for the front of the engine used on
the assembly line.


> The advance starting at 800 caught my attention, just because the car will
probably idle at 1000, thats just the way W-31s are.  The factory idle
setting was 1000rpm.  Is this an issue?


No.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:00:39 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 1964 Cutlass ower Steering Pulley for A/C equipped cars Part # 384678

> I'm looking for a power steering pulley for a 1964 Oldsmobile Cutlass
> with factory A/C. The pulley is different from non A/C cars. If any ones
> knows of salvage yard or has one on a shelf somewhere please let me
> know. I know the part number is 384678. The Pulley is 5-9/16ths with a
> keyed hole in the middle, bolts on the to P/S pump shaft. The pulley is
> very skinny no more then 1.5" thick.

Ben,

I'm going to have to disagree with you a bit. The following are the power
steering pump pulley sizes on my ***stock*** '64-'65 Olds A-bodies:

'64 Cutlass, no AC = 6 3/8" diameter
'65 F-85 with AC = 6 3/8" diameter
'65 Vista Cruiser = 5 9/16" diameter

The following are the relevant crank pulley and water pump pulley sizes for
Olds A-bodies:

?AC water pump pulley = 6 1/4"
AC crank pulley = 7 1/4"
non-AC water pump pulley = 7 1/4"
non-AC crank pulley = 6 1/4"
442 race water pump pulley = 6 1/4"
442 race crank pulley = 6 1/4"
These sizes will vary about +/- 1/8" depending on subcontractor.

Off hand, with the above info, one would believe the power steering pump
pulley would be a 6 3/8" to slow the pump down a bit when the larger crank
pulley is used on AC, and the 5 9/16" would be employed to speed the pump up
on non-AC cars using the smaller pulley. That is borne out by the two '65s,
but the '64 has the wrong power steering pump pulley using that logic.
Actually, I don't believe it really matters. The power steering pump is
flexible enough and internally regulated for pressure and volume delivery to
not care which pulley is being used.

If you have factory AC and have the 6 3/8" pulley on your power steering
pump now, I'd leave it alone.

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 18:10:45 -0700
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
Subject: Re: 1964 Cutlass ower Steering Pulley for A/C equipped cars Part # 384678

Why do I make mistakes?

That should have read:

'64 Cutlass, no AC = 6 3/8" diameter
'65 F-85 with AC = 6 3/8" diameter
'65 Vista Cruiser ***no AC*** = 5 9/16" diameter

Milton Schick
1964 442 Cutlass
imp@theriver.com


- ----- Original Message -----
From: "Infinite Space Systems, Inc." <imp@theriver.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 6:00 PM
Subject: Re: 1964 Cutlass ower Steering Pulley for A/C equipped cars Part #
384678


> > I'm looking for a power steering pulley for a 1964 Oldsmobile Cutlass
> > with factory A/C. The pulley is different from non A/C cars. If any ones
> > knows of salvage yard or has one on a shelf somewhere please let me
> > know. I know the part number is 384678. The Pulley is 5-9/16ths with a
> > keyed hole in the middle, bolts on the to P/S pump shaft. The pulley is
> > very skinny no more then 1.5" thick.
>
> Ben,
>
> I'm going to have to disagree with you a bit. The following are the power
> steering pump pulley sizes on my ***stock*** '64-'65 Olds A-bodies:
>
> '64 Cutlass, no AC = 6 3/8" diameter
> '65 F-85 with AC = 6 3/8" diameter
> '65 Vista Cruiser = 5 9/16" diameter
>
> The following are the relevant crank pulley and water pump pulley sizes
for
> Olds A-bodies:
>
> ?AC water pump pulley = 6 1/4"
> AC crank pulley = 7 1/4"
> non-AC water pump pulley = 7 1/4"
> non-AC crank pulley = 6 1/4"
> 442 race water pump pulley = 6 1/4"
> 442 race crank pulley = 6 1/4"
> These sizes will vary about +/- 1/8" depending on subcontractor.
>
> Off hand, with the above info, one would believe the power steering pump
> pulley would be a 6 3/8" to slow the pump down a bit when the larger crank
> pulley is used on AC, and the 5 9/16" would be employed to speed the pump
up
> on non-AC cars using the smaller pulley. That is borne out by the two
'65s,
> but the '64 has the wrong power steering pump pulley using that logic.
> Actually, I don't believe it really matters. The power steering pump is
> flexible enough and internally regulated for pressure and volume delivery
to
> not care which pulley is being used.
>
> If you have factory AC and have the 6 3/8" pulley on your power steering
> pump now, I'd leave it alone.
>
> Milton Schick
> 1964 442 Cutlass
> imp@theriver.com
>
>
>
>

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Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 21:15:29 -0400
From: Gene Gatti <64f-85@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: 1964 Cutlass ower Steering Pulley for A/C equipped cars Part # 384678

Infinite Space Systems, Inc. wrote:

>Why do I make mistakes?
>
>  
>
Because you are prefect like me :-)
Gene

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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 01:44:02 +0000
From: Steve Harrison <k0xp@dandy.net>
Subject: Re: 1964 Cutlass ower Steering Pulley for A/C equipped cars Part # 384678

At 06:10 PM 7/2/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>Why do I make mistakes?

'Cause you keep trying to do things. Rember: the only man that never made a
mistake, never did nothin'  ;o)

SteveH

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Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2004 21:51:13 -0400
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
Subject: Reasons To Keep Your Photo Off The Internet

Reasons To Keep Your Photo Off The Internet

http://www.drewonline.org/funny/internet-photo/

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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 07:53:41 -0400
From: "Dave Cullen" <david.cullen@snet.net>
Subject: Re: the W-31 is now legal AND my personalized IL plate

> This brings up the thing that irritates me the absolute most.  In Missouri
> you have to buy insurance in order to get tags.  It is a state law that
you
> cannot get your plates renewed, or buy new plates, until you show proof of
> insurance.  Why, in God's name, must you pay an extra charge on your
insurance for
> uninsured motorists then?

Some people drive with expired insurance all the time. They take out a
poilicy and pay the first premium just to get the tags, then let it drop. In
Connecticut, uninsured motorist protection is optional.

drc

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Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2004 08:33:25 -0400
From: "Pat Swanton \"swanny\"" <swannys78@adelphia.net>
Subject: Re: Reasons To Keep Your Photo Off The Internet

John,

That is hilarious LMAO.......

I don't even have any pictures of my fugly mug.

Cheers
Pat Swanton
Winchester NH
1978 Cutlass Supreme
http://www.cardomain.com/id/swannys78
- ----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Nasta" <email@johnnasta.com>
To: <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 9:51 PM
Subject: Reasons To Keep Your Photo Off The Internet


> Reasons To Keep Your Photo Off The Internet
> 
> http://www.drewonline.org/funny/internet-photo/
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 09:19:48 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
Subject: [Fwd: R134]

- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: R134
Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2004 17:20:42 -0400
From: John Kelsey <ribspot@pop4.net>
To: toro list <thelist@toronado.net>

Hi All
    I'm trying to do a friend a favor. I need some info on A/C's which
run on 134A. I have no experience with these but am not afraid to try.
This system has a sight glass. Is it safe to assume standard operation.
Sight glass should be clear no bubbles? Also what kind of low side
pressure should I be looking for? I'm gussing in the 30lb range, Yes?
thanks a ton.
John Kelsey
Dayton Ohio

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Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2004 12:27:10 -0400
From: "Christopher Witt" <rocketscience442@hotmail.com>
Subject: "World's Smallest" Dolts

Great
2 dolts bid on the World's Smallest Crankshaft
Can't read, apparently.

One of them "won" it of course.

Crikey

Home computer out of business
NO EMAIL except at this slow library machine
USE THE PHONE if you need to contact me for the next week or so.

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