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oldsmobile-digest         Thursday, 20 March 1997      Volume 01 : Number 568

RE:Quad 4 applications
Re: Speaking of V-C's
Re: To Part or not to Part--part 2
3-spd column shifters, and trivia [was Re: Speaking of V-C's]
PARTS SWAPPING
Re: 87 442 W-42??
[none]
Re: Speaking of V-C's
Spray cans (was: dash painting)
Re: old like Bob and me
Re: dash painting
Re: Car Records
84 olds rebuild
Delta 88 Conv. '70
canadian car
Re: Vista Cruiser.....   sighting I think....
Column Shift ( Re: Speaking of V-C's and Bein' Old)
Re: (Non-Olds) end of the line
Re: PARTS SWAPPING
Hurst / Olds Brouchure For Sale (3/19)
Re: Speaking of V-C's
RE: Quad 4 applications
RE:Quad 4 applications
Build sheet?
Re: Build sheet?
going to a manual from TH-350
Re: Subject: rare 'new' Olds
Re: going to a manual from TH-350
Re: going to a manual from TH-350
Re: Three on the tree
Re: IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!
Wanted:  1956 Std  Xmsn Conversion Parts
Re: Junkyard Idiots
Hall's
Re: canadian car
unsubscribe
Date:Sat, 15 Mar 1997 02:37:30 -0400
67 f-85 deluxe
Re: canadian car
More on sightings
Re: Wanted: 1956 Std Xmsn Conversion Parts
Re: Converting to internally regulated alternator
Re: Wanted: 1956 Std Xmsn Conversion Parts
Re: 87 442 W-42??
Production Figures
Parts...
disappointing performance
Re: disappointing performance
Re: Speaking of V-C's
Re: Car Records
Re: canadian car
Re: 3-spd column shifters, and trivia [was Re: Speaking of V-C's]
Re: 87 442 W-42??
Re: disappointing performance
Re: Production Figures
Re: IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!
Re: PARTS SWAPPING
Re: 3-spd column shifters, and trivia [was Re: Speaking of V-C's]
Re: 3-spd column shifters, and trivia [was Re: Speaking of V-C's]
Re: canadian car
Re: disappointing performance
Re: Vista Cruiser..... sighting I think.... And a few Toros...
'67 Delmont
Re: canadian car
Re: disappointing performance

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From: NotDads442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:19:44 -0400
Subject: RE:Quad 4 applications

Terrill

I don't know if the Quad 4 would be very effective in such a heavy vehicle as
a 3rd gen Camaro or other RWD cars.  I guess I would try to keep it in a
smaller car if possible.  Maybe find a Calais/Grand Am etc that has been
converted to drag race( RWD with tube frame) and put one in a car like that
for the street?  I bet it would work awesome in a S series GM pickup with the
Bravada parts to make it an Oldsmobile as someone stated they did earlier on
this list.

Cecil
1991 W-41
NotDads@aol.com

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From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:47:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Speaking of V-C's

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> Robert Barry wrote:
>
> > I did drive a factory "three on the tree" 1972 Cutlass Supreme the
>
> Ok.  What is "three on the tree" mean?
>
> Chris Sparks

Three on the tree means, a three speed manual transmission with the
shifter located on the steering column. You gotta be old like Bob and me
to know this.
Reg

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:49:47 -0400
Subject: Re: To Part or not to Part--part 2

At 09:56 AM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>The replies I have seen regarding the "to part or not to part" question
[snip]
>The outside appearance of the car is rough, but the parts of the trunk
>pan that I could see (it is full of parts,boxes, etc.) looked pretty
>solid, and the gas tank was in excellent condition.  Based on the faded
>paint but solid looking undercarriage (that I could see) it appears that
>the car was parked outside , on a hard surface for many years.  Those of
>you who have seen the effects of parking a car on the grass will know

See, in evaluating a car, I consider the undercarriage to be the most
important thing to look at. You can always patch, hammer and weld
sheetmetal, but when you get into frame rot, you've pretty much got to part
the car out. If the floors on this car are solid, then I'd be against
parting it out; it would make a solid driver for a while, and an excellent
candidate for a restoration project in the far future. Man, if you're
thinking of starting a resto project on a Toro in the future, but this W-30
is a possible candidate as well, I'd have to say go with the W-30! Paint it
(the right way) the factory color you like, take ten years to restore it if
need be, but in the long run it will be far more desireable, and far more
valuable, than any Toro will ever be. Especially if you can document the
car, and it has the original motor, the original 1970 W-30 cars will be
*the* premier Olds collector cars in the future (if they aren't so already).

And if you *do* go this route, then you can encourage all other W-30 owners
to part out their cars, so yours will become more valuable... ;)

>what I'm talking about here.  All of you have gotten me thinking about
>keeping the car.  The clincher will be if I can find the build sheet,
>and if the guy who is the quasi-owner will sell it to me before I die of
>old age..  Boy, wait until the wife finds out........

<g>! LOL!  Isn't that always the case? (if it isn't, consider yourselves
lucky!)

I just paid for my '68 Toro this morning, and as I'm going out the door, my
wife was in a less-than-jolly mood about my latest purchase (even though
we've *discussed* this a number of times over the past week, and she's
agreed to it; next time, I'm going to get her to sign something with a "no
grumbling" clause...), even though the entire purchase price of this car is
less than what some of our friends pay *each* month for new-car payments...

Peg and Lisa (and all other women on the list): Are your husbands like this
to you? Is there some kind of note that you can write to our wives, to gain
us some sympathy...? ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:49:45 -0400
Subject: 3-spd column shifters, and trivia [was Re: Speaking of V-C's]

At 10:25 AM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Robert Barry wrote:
>> I did drive a factory "three on the tree" 1972 Cutlass Supreme the
>
>Ok.  What is "three on the tree" mean?

Hmmm, since they haven't been put in cars for nearly 20 years, and they
weren't that common for the 10 years prior to that, I can see how most
people wouldn't be familiar with that setup these days.

"Three on the tree" refers to a manual-transmission car, where the shifter
is not on the floor but on the steering column, in the place that an
automatic transmission shifter would be (in fact, the shifter on this
particular CS looked a lot like an automatic transmission column shifter).
This was a feature developed early on in automotive history (1930's?) to
improve on the convenience of shifting. Previously, the shifter was a long
rod extending from the floor, and this required a long reach, plus it
interfered with the legroom of the person sitting in the middle of a front
bench seat. With the column shifter, you only had to reach behind the
steering wheel to shift.

This was the preferred setup up through the fifties. When the floorpans and
the seats were lowered, it became practical to mount the shifter on the
raised transmission hump, since the lever could be shorter and didn't travel
so far. When you get cars coming equipped with consoles (this seems to
really have come on in the early 1960's), you even have the automatic
transmission shifter moved to the floor, and the manual transmission shifter
on the column (usually for the base 3-speeds, hence "three" on the tree
[steering column]) becomes less and less commonly installed, though it
remained the "base" setup for many cars into the '70's (you could even get a
"three on the tree" Olds 88 in 1971!). Then automatic transmissions became
standard equipment, and the old column-shifted 3-speeds disappeared (though
they lingered on in trucks, because a floor-shifter was rather long and
legroom in the middle was at a premium)

The operation of the shifter was in a kind of "H" pattern, if you looked a
the steering column from the side. If you pull back and down on the lever,
the car is in first gear. Up and to the back is 2nd, and down and to the
back is 3rd. To get reverse gear, you pull back and up on the lever. All of
these were approximations, however, since the long linkage would give new
meaning to the term "vague". I imagine that having a column shifter would be
the greatest theft-deterrent, short of having a Model T; the thief would hop
in the car, hotwire it, and be befuddled when he couldn't put the car into
Drive!

The newest car I recall seeing with the column-shift 3-spd was a 1977 or 78
Nova belonging to a friend's parents. I don't know what the absolute last
car to have one was.

This raises some interesting trivia questions:

1) What was the year of the the first US column-shifted manual transmission
car? 2) What was the first year of a US postwar 4-speed floor-shifted car?
(excluding Corvette) 3) What was the first US car to have an automatic
transmission with a floor-shifter? 4) What was the first US car to have a
floor console with an automatic shifter? With a manual shifter? 5) What was
the *last* US car to have a column-mounted manual transmission shifter?

Of course, I'm excluding the Corvette, because it emulated the foreign
sports cars, which primarily had floor-shifted manual transmissions.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: JOSE.TREJO@pactel.com (TELESIS.LEGTEL:JOSE TREJO)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:09:00 -0400
Subject: PARTS SWAPPING

      Date:  03/19/1997  09:09 am  (Wednesday)
      From:  Jose Trejo
        To:  SF-CCMAIL("oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at Internet")
   Subject:  PARTS SWAPPING

JUST CURIOUS, DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE FRONT
FENDER WHEEL MOULDINGS FOR A 1964 F-85
CUTLASS ARE INTERCHANGEABLE WITH A 1964
SKYLARK????

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From: Timothy Carl Hietpas <thietpas@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:00:51 -0400
Subject: Re: 87 442 W-42??

On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK wrote:

> Tim - I was baffeled by your car. The 87 442 W-42. I looked up the "W-42"
> in the GM RPO book and came up w/"performance package, high speed-export
> vehicle" Wow. What is that? Was your 442 an export?
>
>
Frank,

Sorry about the mix-up but the book I have here describes the
add-on 442 package as the W-42 option.  Off hand I do not have the title
of the book handy but it has the information how to decode VIN numbers,
body plates, transmittions and differentials for Cutlass's and 442's from
1964-1990.  After reading that the package is the W-42 option I thought
it would be cool to get this as personal plate.  As for the GM RPO book I
would be intrested in what is written about the W-42?  Was the 442
produced as a 'high speed-export vehicle' only for export and if so what
are the production figures of this?  Do these cars exist and are they
part of the 4208 442's produced in 87 or do they have their own
production numbers?

Thanks for your question.  There may be a new area for me to
explore on my quest to gain more insight on Oldsmobiles.

Tim

Thietpas@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
1987 Olds 442Plates [1987 W 42]

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From: Michael Brittain Crowell <britt@anis.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:26:38 -0400
Subject: [none]

subscribe britt@anis.com

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:23:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Speaking of V-C's

Lisa,
I don't believe Oldsmobile made any 72 Vista cruisers with a 6 cylinder
engine. The 6 cylinder was discontinued in '70.

Art Fuller

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:46:02 -0400
Subject: Spray cans (was: dash painting)

In a message dated 97-03-19 07:52:30 EST, you write:

<< Go to your local automotive paint supplier and have them mix up a quart
 of interior paint for your car.  They have the info for the inside
 colors just like they have for the outside.  This way you will be
 assured of getting the correct color and texture of paint.  I would
 suggest laquer, as it is the easiest to paint IMHO.  Of course this is
 assuming you do have spray equipment at home.  When you paint the dash
 you may want to paint all of the remaining painted areas inside your car
 so they match.

 Dave Wyatt >>

One interesting item in this regard is that paint places can mix up the
paint, and give it to you in a spray can, for those little odds and ends,
etc. that would be hard to do any other way.  I have some touch-up paint for
my '74 BMW that a local place did for the last owner.  It's rather nice to
have handy, also nice for painting wheel, etc. like I did on my Cavalier (got
rid of the damned silver colored rims on my Carmine (dark red) car, by
painting them the original body color, and then putting clear over them.
 Actually looks pretty good, and was easy to do (has also lasted 8 years, and
for themost part, the color is still intact, even through my lack of cleaning
efforts, etc.).

Chris Ruper

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 13:50:39 -0400
Subject: Re: old like Bob and me

True enough, 3-in-the-tree is a dissapearing saying, but a lot of young
people in sunny saskatchewan and parts still know of, and some still have
3-in-the-tree's.  You see, saskatchewan is probably among the easiest
places in north america to keep driving old/wrecked, emmision causing
dangerously-worn out cars/trucks without any hassle whatsoever.  We also
have cheap insurance.  To drive an older '70s or '60s car with a clean
driving record run's you about $200-$300 for everything, including
license (Of course, you don't get a lot of insurance out of this, so it
is not wise to be considered at fault for an accident.)  Out of
curiosity, can anyone on this list beat that price for a young MALE driver?

On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Jeramy Goble wrote:

> Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
> >
> > Robert Barry wrote:
> >
> > > I did drive a factory "three on the tree" 1972 Cutlass Supreme the
> >
> > Ok.  What is "three on the tree" mean?
> >
> > Chris Sparks
>
> Three on the tree means, a three speed manual transmission with the
> shifter located on the steering column. You gotta be old like Bob and me
> to know this.
> Reg
>

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From: Dawn Roode <dawnr@curtco.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 08:11:15 -0400
Subject: Re: dash painting

James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
> At 11:00 AM 3/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >The metal part of the dashboard in my 68 442 convertible is quite
> >scratched in places and in need of painting.  Should I use a fine sand
> >paper to smooth out the nicks, or is there some other way to go about
> >correcting this?  Also, what kind of paint should I use (it's black)?
> >Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
> >
> >Thanks,
> >Dawn
> >dawnr@curtco.com
>
> Dawn
>
>         I would start by sanding an feathering all the scratches out then
> give it a light coat of primer, sand it again with 400 grit sandpaper and
> shoot it with either Eastwood's underhood black(has an excellent eggshell
> black appearance, or Krylon sem-flat black. Both should yield great results.
>
> Best of luck,
>
> Jim Chermack
> 70 Cutlass SX W-32
> 72 442>


Aren't both of these fairly dull/matte in finish?  It appears to
originally be glossy...?
Thanks,
Dawn
dawnr@curtco.com

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:05:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Car Records

In a message dated 97-03-18 15:08:47 EST, you write:

<< Can anyone tell me how to find out where a car was 1st sold?
 The 66' dynamic i'm looking at was made here in CA (according to the Olds
 History Center), but the plant has since closed down and I don't know where
 to look for this information.  Thanks!
  >>

Greg,
  My 1965 still has a dealership decal on the back! I was able to determine
who the original owner was without trying to contact the dealership (although
I probably should-do dealerships keep records & documents of sold cars such
as build sheets?) because the original service manual (not the '65 chassis
manual) was in the car. Located on the inside back cover of the service
manual are two squares of silver metal into which are stamped the VIN and the
buyer's name and address! These tags were called Protecto Plates (or
something very similar). Apparently they used these as a form of ownership
verification. I cannot speculate as to whether Oldsmobile continued this
practice in 1966 but it would certainly be simple enough, if you have the
service manual (and if the owner did not remove the tags from the manual).

Just an aside...

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

(read as to an old popular tune)

I'm goin' to Soldier, KS. Soldier, KS here I come. There's a lot of doomed
                    gOldsmobiles and I'm gonna pick thru 'em.....

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From: Michael Brittain Crowell <britt@anis.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:05:29 -0400
Subject: 84 olds rebuild

I'm rebuilding an olds 3.8L V6 when install the mail bearing last night
I noticed that one of the oil groves didn't go all the way around the
upper bearing but slowly faded out. I would assume that it would go on
the rear bearing but this is my first engine so im not sure. Does anyone
have any information on this?
Britt

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From: Robert Mike Gardner <axsm10@email.mot.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:56:47 -0400
Subject: Delta 88 Conv. '70

I'm getting my strategy together for rebuilding/refurbishing a '70 Delta
88 455 Convertable.  Never done this kind of thing before.  Reading and
collecting info. right now.  Any comment/ideas/part sources?
Anyone/club in Phoenix, AZ sharing a similar interest?

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:29:21 -0400
Subject: canadian car

As far as I can tell this is a canadian car, the VIN ª and codes don't
break down using the US codes. Any help would be appreciated.......VINª
43267005843  , style 3267TOP10  1-5-26,  body 355899,  paint A,  trim 965,
D55M20V63
engine.... 95  5655125   on head,  207971  front left block,  381917  front
top block
thanks Scott,
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:20:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Vista Cruiser.....   sighting I think....

CRuper1@aol.com wrote:

> Hey Vista Cruiser people, I've spotted something this last weekend
> that I think was a Vista Cruiser, but it had 6 (yes, six!) doors
> total (three per side).

*****
I think what we've spotted here, is an old airport limo.  I don't
recall which company it was that built these monsters, but around the
Detroit area in the late 60's and early 70's, there were several such
6-door Toronado station wagons.  They also had four rear wheels,
on tandem axles.  Those were based upon about 1968 Toros.  I think
that such a vehicle based upon a '67 Vista Cruiser would be alot more
attractive.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:30:44 -0400
Subject: Column Shift ( Re: Speaking of V-C's and Bein' Old)

> > Robert Barry wrote:
> >
> > > I did drive a factory "three on the tree" 1972 Cutlass Supreme the
> >

Chris Sparks asks:

> > Ok.  What is "three on the tree" mean?
> >
> > Chris Sparks
>
> Three on the tree means, a three speed manual transmission with the
> shifter located on the steering column. You gotta be old like Bob and me
> to know this.
> Reg

Hmmm, I've owned a few "three on da tree" cars, and I did'na think I was
*that* old!  :)  Granted, none were GM products...

I even drove around in an ol' M-B 220s for a while in college, a '61, and it
was *four* on the column!!!

And the Blaupunkt AM/FM radio was a *tube* radio, so it took a while to warm
up... often to the 'New Wave' Rock (as Alternative was called in the late
70s - early 80s) station in Boston...



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:32:58 -0400
Subject: Re: (Non-Olds) end of the line

Greg Purett wrote:

> Oh gawd.  Here come the two door Tauruses (Tauri?).  And yet there
> are so many NASCAR fans who dismiss indy cars and formula one
> because "They ain't real cars."  I just don't understand.

*******
It's really easy to understand.  If they can't rub each other
or brush the wall without the wheels falling off, they ain't real
cars.  I don't think that we'll ever see a Formula One driver climb
out of his rolled race car, look the smoking wreck over, climb back
in and drive it back to the pits for a little duct tape like we saw
Dale Earnhardt do just a couple of weeks ago.

I also don't believe that NASCAR will allow a 2-door Taurus style
race car, unless Ford starts selling 2-door versions for the street.
Since the 1997 Thunderbird body will be legal for NASCAR
competition for the next three years, I'm not sure that there will
be any rush for the Ford race teams to switch to anything new.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:46:45 -0400
Subject: Re: PARTS SWAPPING

On Wed, 19 Mar 1997 JOSE.TREJO@pactel.com wrote:
> JUST CURIOUS, DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE FRONT
> FENDER WHEEL MOULDINGS FOR A 1964 F-85
> CUTLASS ARE INTERCHANGEABLE WITH A 1964
> SKYLARK????

I own a '64 Skylark. Don't have a '64 Cutlass to compare it with, but from
looking at pictures I'd guess the answer is no, they aren't
interchangeable. The Skylark has a noticeable bulge in the bodyside that
the Olds lacks, and the trailing edge of the front wheel opening seems
more vertical than the one on the Olds.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 14:44:37 -0400
Subject: Hurst / Olds Brouchure For Sale (3/19)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to
sell:

1972 Hurst/Olds sales brochure.  4 full color pages.  11 x 8-3/4.
Very good condition.  $50, including shipping to addresses in the
United States.  (3/19/97)

Please notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to
purchase this item or if you would like additional information about
it.  Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 05:56:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Speaking of V-C's

>
>I thought that the last year for the 6-cylinder option was 1970, though,

Close, I believe it was 1971.

>and
>then only on the F-85? And I was certain, for some reason, that the VC had
>the 350 2-bbl/auto as the standard engine package. And that the 3-seat
>package became the standard setup on the VC at some point? Ah, perhaps I'm
>just imagining...

Well the Vista Cruiser was standard with a 330 V-8 in 1966 rated a 250 hp.
My 1966 sales  brochure(sp?) only says that the six was availible on the
F-85. It also says that the V-C could be optioned with up to 320 hp.  For a
trans you could either get a Jetaway, a 3 speed or yes, even a four speed
manual!!  Now *that's* the rare car I'd want to own!  A factory
four-on-the-floor Vista-Cruiser.  Aaah, thoes must've been the days.
(eleven years before my time I'm afraid)

Maybe that particular V-C was made for Canada or some other foreign market?

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser (4-speed auto, TH-400 originally)
`67 Cutlass Supreme (Jetaway, all the way)

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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:10:01 -0400
Subject: RE: Quad 4 applications

On 17 Mar 97 at 13:13, Terrill Yuhas wrote:

>Anyone have an idea what the heaviest vehicle a Quad 4 would be
>happy in? How about if there is any way to bolt one to a
>conventional (RWD) transmission?

>Just thinking out loud....

Mantapart (Olds as well) has bell housing adapters for the Q4 to fit
a RWD application.  I think a hopped up Q4 would be a real blast in a
kit car like a Lotus Super 7...

Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442
'93 W-41 Achieva SCX

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From: The Unsilent Majority <jev114@psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:14:48 -0400
Subject: RE:Quad 4 applications

>I don't know if the Quad 4 would be very effective in such a heavy vehicle as
>a 3rd gen Camaro or other RWD cars.  I guess I would try to keep it in a
>smaller car if possible.  Maybe find a Calais/Grand Am etc that has been
>converted to drag race( RWD with tube frame) and put one in a car like that
>for the street?  I bet it would work awesome in a S series GM pickup with the
>Bravada parts to make it an Oldsmobile as someone stated they did earlier on
>this list.

do you recall the 88 or89 official cutlass supreme pace car? it was a
potent version of the HO with a turbo...built with parts right off the
shelf from GM--it pumped out 250 horses! not bad huh. how would you like to
have one one those engines in your 442...i bet that baby would sound good
with a turbo at 7250 rpm!
i'll have to check my paper work on that one to see how many were produced!

Jeff

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From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:19:00 -0400
Subject: Build sheet?

Cecil- that is the RPO sticker that all GM cars have since the early 80's.
I have the RPO book (the one I was telling about getting from GM) and I can
break down all the codes if you want- Email me off line w/ all the codes
and a fax ª and I will list em out for you--






FRank... 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955 (every day driver)
         65 El Camino (show car, cruiser)
         95 Plymouth Neon (wifes car)
         95 Dodge Ram 4x4 v-10 (company truck)....

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From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 15:41:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Build sheet?

Frank,
   Is this the book you got from GM that lists the codes for Olds?  Does it
go back to 1971?  Please let me know, as I am interetsed in gettin one.

Thanks
Mark Heiser
71 Cutlass S

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From: Gregory M Zimmerman <gzimmerm@runet.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:03:01 -0400
Subject: going to a manual from TH-350

I want to get rid of my TH-350 tranny and swap in a manual.  What is needed
for this conversion?  Do I just need a bellhousing, clutch, and a pedal
assembly?

I really would like to put in a 6-speed Richmond unit, but I would settle
for a used 4-speed until I could get the $$$ for the Richmond.  Will it fit?

I would appreciate any help.  If I do the swap (this summer or fall), I
will have a very nice TH-350 and hurst dual-gate setup to sell or trade.

thanks,

greg
gzimmerm@runet.edu


oh yeah, I have a '71 Olds Cutlass conv. with a 350 (soon to be 455).

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From: Frank Gonzalez <PLPAUDIO@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:14:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Subject: rare 'new' Olds

NotDads442@aol.com wrote:
>
> Frank you are right about this rare Olds.  I don't have the 92 figures.  But
> in 1991 there were only 270 Cutlass Supremes made with the 5-speed.  None
> were 4 doors.
> The list I have also makes reference to a convertible model with the 3.4
dohc > the number under this column is 1!  Maybe a misprint?  I guess I would
be > looking for that car! > > Cecil I guess maybe I should of bought it.
Dooooo.(Homer Simpson) Frank

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From: The Unsilent Majority <jev114@psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:26:02 -0400
Subject: Re: going to a manual from TH-350

At 04:03 PM 3/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I want to get rid of my TH-350 tranny and swap in a manual.  What is needed
>for this conversion?  Do I just need a bellhousing, clutch, and a pedal
>assembly?

well you also need a clutch, pressure plate, throw out bearing, clutch
linkage, and a flywheel, and probably another starter...find an nice muncie
four speed or saginaw tranny...and get rid of that slush box auto dog...and
get ready to unleash the true power of your engine! a word of advice stay
away from centerforce clutches--they are junk!

jeff

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:45:42 -0400
Subject: Re: going to a manual from TH-350

>I want to get rid of my TH-350 tranny and swap in a manual.  What is needed
>for this conversion?  Do I just need a bellhousing, clutch, and a pedal
>assembly?
You also need a hole in the crankshaft for the pilot bearing.  That will
require the services of a machine shop.

>I really would like to put in a 6-speed Richmond unit, but I would settle
>for a used 4-speed until I could get the $$$ for the Richmond.  Will it fit?

Got a big hammer? :)  Seriously, it's been done but I've heard it requires
some pounding on the transmission tunnel to be able to wedge that six speed
in there.  A gentleman by the name of Mike Blankenship I believe did the
swap and had to remove his tunnel.  He was on the list, I'm not sure if he
still is.  This is a message on it that he posted back in oct. regarding the
swap for a 6-speed:

>1970 442 455 3.91 gears
>
>To make ZF 6-speed transmission to fit, the following modifications were
made: > >A TCI adapter plat was secured for the Chevy bellhousing to Olds
engine. > >A driveshaft was pilled from an Olds with a Turbo 400 tranny and
modified with >a new tube. > >A floor tunnel was cut. > >The Corvette
bellhousing was cut in the lower section because of interference >with the
Olds flywheel/starter.  Another bellhousing was cut and heli-arched to cover
the missing section.  A cover was made to place over the front opening. >The
front of the Z-F transmission has a unique five bolt pattern, so the
>Corvette bellhousing had to be used. > >A notch was cut in the middle of the
crossmember to accept the rear of the >tranny and then reinforced. > >The
rear transmission mount was made by taking the previous mount and adding a
>piece on top to acept the rear of the ZF tranny. > >The 1992 Covette clutch
and pressure plate bolted right up to the Olds flywheel >with a Corvette throw
out bearing.  The Corvette set-up pulls the bearing out >instead of pushing
it toward the engine. > >The Corvette slave cylinder was used with a Triton
master cylinder and a remote >reservoir.  Two fittings for the slave cylinder
were heli-arced back to back >to run a flexible hose to connect to the master
cylinder.  At first a Camaro >set up was tried, but it took too much force to
push the clutch in. > >A cyberdyne electric speedometer was used. Since the
sending unit is now >electric, a full complement of matching guages were
installed. > >Most of the old tunnel was used to cover the new trans.  It was
reshaped to >cover the opening.  The accelerator pedal was cut slightly to
clear the >floor slave cylinder. > >An adjustable linkage was made for the
clutch pedal. > >The drivers seat had to be notched .  With the seat all the
way forward the >the shifter would not go into second gear- this modification
was for my wife-. > >At 60 mph the engine is now turning 1,600 rpm instead of
a previous 3,100 rpm >all this with at 3.91 ratio.  Acceleration is greatly
improved and the gas >mileage has improved. > > >Mike >66 442 >69 H/O >70 W30
>70 Judge >71 442 Convt




>I would appreciate any help.  If I do the swap (this summer or fall), I
>will have a very nice TH-350 and hurst dual-gate setup to sell or trade.
>oh yeah, I have a '71 Olds Cutlass conv. with a 350 (soon to be 455).

Is it original from the factory?  Would the car be worth more with it
intact?  You may want to keep it if you think you might sell the car some
day.  That way you can keep the 6-speed for the next Olds and you won't have
as much modifying to do, and the car will resell for more that way.  (of
course I'd never sell that car if I had it :)

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 16:06:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Three on the tree

Three on the tree, four on the floor, and a fifth under the seat.
Sorry, I lapsed back into my politcaly incorrect youth.

Ah yes, the good old days,
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: JK McCall <jkmccall@clic.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:37:19 -0400
Subject: Re: IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!

dr_olds@pitnet.net wrote:
>
> Don't forget, IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!

Which server?  Undernet?  what channel?  Thanks

JK McCall

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From: John Foster <jdfoster@n-link.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:55:24 -0400
Subject: Wanted:  1956 Std  Xmsn Conversion Parts

Folks,

         I am looking for everything needed to convert from an automatic
 to a standard transmission.  I will need the following: clutch linkage,
 bell housing, flywheel, and steering column for floor shift.  Thank you
 for any assistance.

                                 sincerely,

                                     John Foster

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:50:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Junkyard Idiots

>>I was in Kansas recently at Halls Auto Salvage in Soldier Kansas.
>>
>>   Well he is closing April 1st. He has contracted a guy to come in
>and
>crush
>> yes crush all those Oldsmobiles.

Man, is this true!  It's a disgrace, and outrage!  Unbelievable.

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:50:12 -0400
Subject: Hall's

Hey, if anybody is going to Hall's before it closes, I need a pair of
dual exhaust manifolds for a non-Toro big block.  Please let me know!


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:18:38 -0400
Subject: Re: canadian car

About that VIN ª

Hmm, that's an odd one!

What year is the car?
I was under the opinion that all Oldses pre '81, post '64 began with the
ª3 for Oldsmobile!  From '81 to '88 They began with a number designating
the country of origin, but "2" was Canada, maybe its from Mexico!  In the
'90's this country setup was the same!  If the car is pre 1981, I think
that the only answers to this VIN ª would be that either the VIN you have
is incorrect, or it is not an Oldsmobile!  Also, I didn't think that there
was a VIN ª for Olds at all that was all numerals, and didn't have at
least one letter in it for the division in the 80's 90's and the series in
the seventies, and the manufacturing plant in 60's cars.  Pre- '64 cars I
think began with the year number!

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
The ***OFFICIAL*** Editor of the Olds FAQ.
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

Get your copy of the Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com
http://www.en.com/users/thall



On Wed, 19 Mar 1997, Jo-Anne Hillier wrote:

> As far as I can tell this is a canadian car, the VIN ª and codes don't
> break down using the US codes. Any help would be appreciated.......VINª
> 43267005843  , style 3267TOP10  1-5-26,  body 355899,  paint A,  trim 965,
> D55M20V63
> engine.... 95  5655125   on head,  207971  front left block,  381917  front
> top block
> thanks Scott,
> kozhill@titanlink.com
>
>

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From: disys@igs.net
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:51:31 -0400
Subject: unsubscribe



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From: "Ron Fraser" <rfraser@chatsubo.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 02:37:30 -0400
Subject: Date:Sat, 15 Mar 1997 02:37:30 -0400

unsubscribe  Ron Fraser   rfraser@chatsubo.net

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From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@quix.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:23:02 -0400
Subject: 67 f-85 deluxe

>Located a rather sorry but no rust f-85 4-door. Gauges, and other interior
items appear ok. I might be in that yard tomorrow again. Anybody want me to
check on anything in particular?  Mike Aldana    maldana@quix.net

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:28:44 -0400
Subject: Re: canadian car

Sorry boys and girls, the canadian car VINª 43267005843 is a 64 olds F-85
cutlass convertible, 330 hi perf. 4spd. hint its black, hence the paint
code A , 67 in code is a conv.,the rest is a mistery!
scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: Barnacle Bill <wreilly@acad.bryant.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 19:42:29 -0400
Subject: More on sightings

I got back from spring break in the Bahamas on Sunday and I've been
lurking to see what the topics of discussion were before I wrote in.
Recently a bunch of people were talking about sightings.  I didn't notice
too many older cars or even Oldsmobiles while on vacation.  I guess the
salt air on the island doens't agree with the metal.  A lot of cars I saw
were bondoed and primered.  Nothing really caught my eye except two nice
El Caminoes and one 56-62 Vette.  I didn't get a good look at it as it was
screaming down the street.
As for another sighting here in RI, I saw a nicely restored 50's
Oldsmobile at a local used car lot.  I didn't know what it was at first
(sorry, I'm young and not familiar with the older classics).  I slowed up
to check it out and saw OLDSMOBILE across the grill.  I didn't stop
because I was working, but went back later and it was gone.  I was hoping
to check it out and see in anyone on the list would be interested(if it
was for sale). Perhaps it was the owners car, it it shows up again I'll
definately check into it.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
http://acad.bryant.edu/~wreilly/bill.htm


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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:29:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Wanted: 1956 Std Xmsn Conversion Parts

John
  as for the 56 conversion I would call Hall's Auto salvage ASAP. They are
closing April 1st and there is the possibility that he may have a car with
all you need  his phone number is 913-924-3748 / 913-924-3315. If you are
serios call ASAP


Everett  Horton   OCA ª 1961

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From: John Foster <jdfoster@n-link.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:47:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Converting to internally regulated alternator

Gentlemen,

I found the ultimate and easiest way you can convert your external
regulated alternator to an internal model.  YEAR ONE sells
a plug in conversion kit.  It contains a plug in harness for the
external regulator and a plug in adapter from external regulated
alternator to an internal regulated alternator.  NO WIRES TO CUT.
No rocket science involved.

Available at:

YEAR ONE
1-800-950-9503
Part No. HU30    $13.50


PS: I don't work for those folks, but this is the best conversion idea I
have seen yet!!!


sincerely

    John Foster

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:45:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Wanted: 1956 Std Xmsn Conversion Parts

John
  As for the floor shift steering column, 1956 didn't offer a floor mounted
shifter all standard transmissions were  " 3 on the tree "


Everett Horton  OCAª 1961

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:39:28 -0400
Subject: Re: 87 442 W-42??

At 10:08 AM 3/19/97 -0400, SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK wrote:
>Tim - I was baffeled by your car. The 87 442 W-42. I looked up the "W-42"
>in the GM RPO book and came up w/"performance package, high speed-export
>vehicle" Wow. What is that? Was your 442 an export?

W-42 in my book shows it as the 442 package in 1987. Nothing about export
stuff.

------------------------------

From: "Kenneth Busby" <kennybee@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 21:46:32 -0400
Subject: Production Figures

I have no problem getting production figures for my '72 442 Convertible
(Year-One has them in front of their catalog), but does anyone know of
where to get figures for modern cars?  Currently I am interested in finding
out about my '92 Achieva W-41 and the other W-41's.  Anyone have any
figures on these cars?  Maybe a VIN ª breakdown too?

By the way, when is the Aurora going to get a W-performance package?  Let's
plant the seed.

Ken

------------------------------

From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:04:23 -0400
Subject: Parts...

Here is a more accurate list of parts, a buddy of mine has For Sale:

1970 - 1972 Cutlass

- - Fenders LH/RH, not perfectly straight, touch of rust, pretty good cores
to work with, paint stripped, $40. each.

- - Doors LH/RH, touch of rust, very good cores, paint stripped, $40. each

- - Floorpan, Driver's side, front to rear, fitted, new, $60.

- - Rockers LH/RH, new in box, $30.

- - Trunk Lid, touch of rust, very good core, paint stripped, $40.

- - 1971 442 Hood, steel (non-OAI), very good, paint stripped, $30.

- - 3 Rally 1 rims, paint stripped, $15.

- - 1972 350 Heads, pair, $40.

Please E-Mail my address if anyone has interest in these parts,
Regards,
Mike


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

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From: Travis Adams <cashmore@imt.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:57:35 -0400
Subject: disappointing performance

Well guys I was humiliated pretty bad today.  The first warm sunny day
here in MT in quite awhile and my car performed lousy.  I have a 65 442
with a 455, D cast heads, Q-Jet, stock manifold, low comp pistons (not
exactly sure how low), a mild factory cam (believed to be about a 282
duration), true 2 1/2" dual exhaust with x-over pipe and Dynomax Super
Turbo mufflers, TH400 with switch-pitch and shift kit, and 3.42 posi
axle.  Can someone tell me why I could barely pull away from a late
model Eclipse Turbo?  Am I slow or are these Eclipses just that damned
fast?  This car has run 396 CH*velles and 440 M*pars into the ground.  I
realize that my specs are a bit general but what would you suggest, or
what has worked for you, as far as performance add-ons?  Keep in mind I
don't want to cut this car up.  Just unobtrusive easily disguised or
removed additions.  Any help is greatly appreciated.

T. Adams
65 Olds 442

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:16:55 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

At 10:57 PM 3/19/97 -0400, Travis Adams wrote:
>Well guys I was humiliated pretty bad today.  The first warm sunny day
>here in MT in quite awhile and my car performed lousy.  I have a 65 442
>with a 455, D cast heads, Q-Jet, stock manifold, low comp pistons (not
>exactly sure how low), a mild factory cam (believed to be about a 282
>duration), true 2 1/2" dual exhaust with x-over pipe and Dynomax Super
>Turbo mufflers, TH400 with switch-pitch and shift kit, and 3.42 posi
>axle.  Can someone tell me why I could barely pull away from a late
>model Eclipse Turbo?

Oh yeah they are fast. Gotta give them respect. I have been challenged a few
times by these cars and I have to work to keep ahead. If it was the AWD
version that probably explained it also. I am not to knowledgeable on those
cars, just know I have to watch for them.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:21:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Speaking of V-C's

It might have been a '70 - like I said, the memory isn't what it should be.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:37:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Car Records

In a message dated 97-03-19 13:20:32 EST, you write:

> (although
>  I probably should-do dealerships keep records & documents of sold cars
such
>  as build sheets?)

Dealerships don't have documents such a build sheets, but they may have a
copy of the original bill of sale, and in rare cases they may have factory
invoices.  However, many dealerships are only required by law to keep deal
paperwork for seven years.  Many keep them for ten, but then it's to the
shredder.  The dealership I currently work for goes the ten year route.  We
have no records of vehicle sold in the 50s or 60s or 70s or most of the 80s.
 The dealership I worked for previously had an "achives" where the old bills
of sale and some invoices were kept.  All this old paperwork will never be
disposed of, but they are shredding newer deals once they hit ten years old.
 Also, most dealerships are reluctant to look for the documents you are
requesting.  They are there to sell cars, that what they're all getting paid
for, and don't have the time to go digging around in the attic looking for
stuff for you.  You're not "generating income".  Hopefully you get ahold of
someone like me that looks for these item in their off-time and lunch hours.
 I would recommed contacting the dealer, if they're still in business, but
don't be surprised if they can't/won't help you.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:38:06 -0400
Subject: Re: canadian car

In a message dated 97-03-19 13:46:25 EST, you write:

> As far as I can tell this is a canadian car, the VIN ª and codes don't
>  break down using the US codes. Any help would be appreciated.......VINª
>  43267005843

(4) 1964, (3) Oldsmobile, (267) Cutlass Convertible, (005843) production
sequence.
Definitely not a US VINª, only other possibility seems to be Canadian.

>  style 3267

See above.

>  TOP10

Seems like the code for the convertible top color.  i'm gonna guess white,
because the US code in '67 for white is 1.

>  1-5-26,

Build date?  May 26th, 1st shift?  Thought it was January, 5th week, 26th
day.  There were 5 weeks in January in '64, the 26th was a Sunday.  Maybe the
plant was working overtime?

>  body 355899,

Fisher Body of Canada build sequence number.

>  paint A,

Ebony Black

>  trim 965,

Holiday Red, all-Morocceen interior.  Med. Red carpeting, Holiday Red
Convertible Boot.

>  D55M20V63

D55 - Front Compartment Console, M20 - Four-Speed Syncromesh Transmission,
V63 - don't know, I don't have a '64 option book.  U63 would be an AM Radio.
 V options are things like heavy duty cooling and luggage carriers.  Do you
know what V63 is?

>  engine.... 95  5655125   on head,  207971  front left block,  381917
 front
>  top block

All that's greek to me.

My brain hurts...

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:38:21 -0400
Subject: Re: 3-spd column shifters, and trivia [was Re: Speaking of V-C's]

In a message dated 97-03-19 12:39:36 EST, you write:

> 1) What was the year of the the first US column-shifted manual transmission

> car?

1937.

>  2) What was the first year of a US postwar 4-speed floor-shifted car?
>  (excluding Corvette)

1958

>  3) What was the first US car to have an automatic transmission with a
>  floor-shifter?

1960 Chevy Corvair

>  4) What was the first US car to have a floor console with an
>  automatic shifter?

'61 Starfire

>  With a manual shifter?

?????????????

>  5) What was the *last* US car to have a column-mounted manual transmission
>  shifter?

Plymouth Volare/Dodge Aspen

Now don't you all laugh, these are all just guesses.  I should get an A for
effort.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:42:57 -0400
Subject: Re: 87 442 W-42??

In a message dated 97-03-19 12:39:35 EST, you write:

> Tim - I was baffeled by your car. The 87 442 W-42. I looked up the "W-42"
> in the GM RPO book and came up w/"performance package, high speed-export
> vehicle" Wow. What is that? Was your 442 an export?

Here's what the '87 Olds SPECS books says about the W42:

W42 Cutlass 442 Package, Features a Special Paint Scheme of 15 Medium Gray
Metallic, 19 Black, 31 Dark Teal Blue Metallic or 79 Burgandy Metallic
Primary Color with 12 Silver Metallic Secondary Lower Accent Color Separated
by Gold Metallic Accent Stripe Decals (D85).  Also Gold Metallic Stripe Over
the Wheel Openings.  Headlamp Bezels are Black with Bright Edges.  Amber
Park/Turn Lamp Lenses (T88); Front and Rear Bumpers Silver, Color-Coordinated
to Match Lower Body Accent.  "442" Decals of Front Doors, Front-End Panel,
Rear-End Panel and Interior on Doors; Air Conditioning, Four-Season (C60);
Mirrors, Color-Coordinated Outside, Driver Side Remote - Passenger Side
Manual (D35); Console with Floor Shifter (D55); Level II Firm Ride and
Handling Suspension System (F41) with Air Rear Shock Absorbers; Engine,
5.0-liter V8, 4-bbl. Carburetor H.O. (LG8) with Dual Outlet Exhaust System;
Transmission, 4-Speed Automatic with Overdrive (MX0); Axle, 3.73 ratio (GT4);
Steering Wheel, Leather Wrapped Sport (NP5); Wheels, 15", Chrome-Styled with
Gold Accent (N83); Tires, P215/65R15 Steel-Belted Radial-Ply, Blackwall
(QYZ); Cluster, Instrument Panel Rallye (U21); Cooling Equipment, High
Capacity (V08) and Guards, Bumper Front and Rear (V30).  (Available only on
R47 with the Following Exterior Primary and Secondary Paint Colors and
Interior Trim Combinations: 15-12 or 19-12 with Trim W4, 31-12 with Trim W3
and 79-12 with Trim W5.  D68 Available - N.A. with BX2, B85, C04, DR5, D84,
D88, D90, LD5, LV2, N66, N78, N91, QHW, QHY, QJR, QMW or
QMX)........................$2577.00

Paul

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:44:04 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

Travis,

How can a car that destroys 396 Chevys and 440 Mopars barely beat a Mitsu
Turbo?!  Did you modify the car since you beat those other big blocks?
Sounds like somethings not right.  You think maybe the Mitsu was using
nitrous?
Sorry I can't offer any advice, but I hope you figure it out.


            Jim Townsend

            '90 Calais

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:51:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Production Figures

In a message dated 97-03-19 21:14:28 EST, you write:

> Currently I am interested in finding
>  out about my '92 Achieva W-41 and the other W-41's.  Anyone have any
>  figures on these cars?

W41 = SCX?

1146 for '92
500 for '93

I don't have breakdowns for earlier years.

Paul

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:12:58 -0400
Subject: Re: IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!

JK McCall wrote:
>
> dr_olds@pitnet.net wrote:
> >
> > Don't forget, IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!
>
> Which server?  Undernet?  what channel?  Thanks
>
> JK McCall


Dalent - ªoldsmobile

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:22:12 -0400
Subject: Re: PARTS SWAPPING

TELESIS.LEGTEL:JOSE TREJO wrote:
>
>       Date:  03/19/1997  09:09 am  (Wednesday)
>       From:  Jose Trejo
>         To:  SF-CCMAIL("oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at Internet")
>    Subject:  PARTS SWAPPING
>
> JUST CURIOUS, DOES ANYONE KNOW IF THE FRONT
> FENDER WHEEL MOULDINGS FOR A 1964 F-85
> CUTLASS ARE INTERCHANGEABLE WITH A 1964
> SKYLARK????

I'm not sure that the Buick Skylark has fender well moldiings.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 17:18:13 -0400
Subject: Re: 3-spd column shifters, and trivia [was Re: Speaking of V-C's]

PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-03-19 12:39:36 EST, you write:
>
> > 1) What was the year of the the first US column-shifted manual
transmission > > > car? > > 1937. Cord had an electric pre shift system on
the column in 1936. > > >  2) What was the first year of a US postwar 4-speed
floor-shifted car? > >  (excluding Corvette) > > 1958

I think that GM (Chevy/Pontiac) is right here in 1958.
>
> >  3) What was the first US car to have an automatic transmission with a
> >  floor-shifter?
>
> 1960 Chevy Corvair

1953 Corvette.  T'Bird had one in 1955.  No console on these though.
>
> >  4) What was the first US car to have a floor console with an
> >  automatic shifter?
>
> '61 Starfire

I'll go w/that unless the Cutlass was first in 1961.
>
> >  With a manual shifter?
>
> ?????????????
1961 Chevy Impala (just a plate for a console) or 1962 Impala.
>
> >  5) What was the *last* US car to have a column-mounted manual
transmission > >  shifter? > > Plymouth Volare/Dodge Aspen

Sounds like a 70s Mopar thing or possibly AMC Gremlin.
>
> Now don't you all laugh, these are all just guesses.  I should get an A for
> effort.
>
> Paul

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:28:17 -0400
Subject: Re: 3-spd column shifters, and trivia [was Re: Speaking of V-C's]

At 09:38 PM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> 1) What was the year of the the first US column-shifted manual transmission
>> car?
>
>1937.

OK, in what?

>>  2) What was the first year of a US postwar 4-speed floor-shifted car?
>
>1958

Again, in what?

>Now don't you all laugh, these are all just guesses.  I should get an A for
>effort.

Good guesses; you sounded so certain there...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:44:51 -0400
Subject: Re: canadian car

Thanks to Paul, you got as far as I did on the codes for the 64. I will
keep on trying. I would like to find the production ª for this car
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: Frank Gonzalez <PLPAUDIO@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:46:24 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

James William Townsend wrote:
>
> Travis,
>
> How can a car that destroys 396 Chevys and 440 Mopars barely beat a Mitsu
> Turbo?!  Did you modify the car since you beat those other big blocks?
> Sounds like somethings not right.  You think maybe the Mitsu was using
> nitrous?
> Sorry I can't offer any advice, but I hope you figure it out.
>
>             Jim Townsend
>
>             '90 Calais

Jim,
If it was a AWD turbo,they have unreal o-60 cabability if launched
right.You will eventually catch them as they run out of steam but off
the line they are really tough to beat .
Frank

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:44:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Vista Cruiser..... sighting I think.... And a few Toros...

In a message dated 97-03-19 00:10:35 EST, you write:

<< >Hey Vista Cruiser people, I've spotted something this last weekend that I
 >think was a Vista Cruiser, but it had 6 (yes, six!) doors total (three per
 >side).  Holy Sh*t!  Was that thing huge....   I like it!

 Well it would be a really wierd one off deal if it was a V-C.  I've never
 heard of a six-door, only four doors with tailgates but stranger things have
 happened.

 >It was
 >awesome........   From the looks of it, it was a late 60's, early 70's
maybe.
 > Is that what I saw (a Vista?)?
 > I didn't notice it had so many doors until
 >after I went past it, otherwise I would have chased it down.

 Did it have a roughly four foot by twelve  inch sunroof over the back( the
 seat behind the front seat that is) seats?  Along with a raised rear roof
 and little windows over the back side windows that sorta wraped around into
 the roof?  That is the major difference between the Vista-Cruiser and the
 base Cutlass Cruiser.  That and a longer overall legnth and wheelbase.  Six
 doors would be a custom job or some other type of anomaly.  Still, it would
 be kinda cool.

Yep, it had the windows on the side (side was raised also, as a Vista would
be).  I didn't get to see a sunroof, as I said, it was sitting a a stoplight
as I blew by, damned lucky I saw it had so many doors.  I thought stretch job
also, but if they did, it looked pretty good for it.  It looked just like a
normal wagon, except for having "extra" doors.

<<The third seat option means you could fit an extra two people in the very
 back(preferably not very tall people, perfect for kids though) but they get
 to climb over a folding 60/40 (more like 80/20) split bench second seat. >>

That's what I figured it was, but wasn't sure off hand.  The third seat was
the type that (on most) we used to love to ride in since it (on most) faced
rearward, and was waaayyyy...  in back.

Okay, so now I really gotta try and find this thing, maybe the guy would take
a small lump of change for it (as opposed to a big lump).  Yes, I'll try and
get a pic. at least, if not more info.

Chris Ruper

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:54:13 -0400
Subject: '67 Delmont

Here's what info I have on that junkyard '67 Delmont 88.  The engine is a
2bbl, single exhaust 425 with C heads.  Interior is not much good,
neither is the sheet metal.  The headlight trim is probably usable, and
possibly some of the chrome (I'll have to check for specific pieces).
Whoever wanted the front control arms and spindles, they're available,
contact me privately.


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com


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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:58:36 -0400
Subject: Re: canadian car

At 11:44 PM 3/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Thanks to Paul, you got as far as I did on the codes for the 64. I will
>keep on trying. I would like to find the production ª for this car
>Scott
>kozhill@titanlink.com


Scott

        The production total for the 64 Cutlass Conv. is 12,822. This
doesn'tr break out any 442's that would be included in these numbers. 64 442
production numbers are

Option B-09

027 F-85 club coupe                    148
069 F-85 four door sedan              3
169 F-85 deluxe four door sedan   7
227 Cutlass coupe                       563
237 Cutlass hardtop coupe           1842
267 Cutlass Convertible                436

        Check for the signs of a 442. You might be lucky enough to own an
extremely rare conv.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:54:15 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

> Can someone tell me why I could barely pull away from a late
>model Eclipse Turbo?  Am I slow or are these Eclipses just that damned
>fast?

Yep, those Eclipses (Eclipsi?) are pretty quick...


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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