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oldsmobile-digest           Monday, 7 April 1997        Volume 01 : Number 597

Re: 3.73 speedometer gear
Re: Need help with cruise control
Re: 69 H/O mirrors
Re: A/C conversions
Re: Dash chrome
Re: Dash chrome
Springs 'n' things
Re: A/C conversions
RE: Exhaust
Re: Springs 'n' things
Re: Springs 'n' things
Re: A/C conversions
Re: A/C conversions
Re: Third party help
Re: 6500rpm Vista Cruisers (was Re: Idioms for Easter)
Re:  '67 F-85
Re: Re[2]: Aluminum Intake
starfire 66
Re: starfire 66
Re: new olds owner needs advice
Re: Dash chrome
Re: Thanks for suspension info!
Re: Dash chrome
Re: photos-photos-photos
Re: Dash chrome
Part ªs for 85-87 442 stripes.
Re: Charging Problem.  Bat won't hold charge
Re: Aluminum Intake
Re: 69 H/O mirrors
Re: starfire 66
Re: 6500rpm Vista Cruisers (was Re: Idioms for Easter)
Re: Part ªs for 85-87 442 stripes.
Re: 69 H/O mirrors
Re: 69 H/O mirrors
Re: Aluminum Intake
Problems with th200
Re[4]: Aluminum Intake
Build Sheet, catalogues, and weather
Re: Thanks for susp. info.
Re: Problems with th200
G-body Exhaust Systems
heads for sale -Reply
1964 CONVERTIBLE TOP FRAME
Re[2]: Where does  it go?
8.5" Rear end again
PS Brackets (was: Springs 'n' things)
Re: Bummered
Re: G-body Exhaust Systems
Speaker Locations in Convertible
Re: Problems with th200
'67 Cutlass info
Re: RE: Brothers & Kanter Info
Re: car info

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From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 00:27:28 -0300
Subject: Re: 3.73 speedometer gear

John and Elizabeth Gene wrote:
>
> Help,
>      Does anyone know where I can find a speedometer gear that works in a
> TH200-4R transmission in conjunction with a 3.73 rear end gear set?
>      I have and appointment to change the rear a week from today and if I
> can't find out that the right speedometer gear is available then I will
> have to return it for a 3.42. There is a Buick Grand National listing for
> that gear set.
>       Please, if anyone can help me I would greatly appreciate. I don't
> have to be in possession of the speedometer gear immediately but must know
> of its existence before the 3.73 gear set is installed.
>       Thank you for taking the time to read this and any help you may
provide. > John

John,
  It doesn't seem like you've gotten much help from the list.  Sorry, I
couldn't look this up earlier, but I was just swamped...from my '86
Service Manual Section 7A, Page 13 - figure 14:

Axle Ratio  3.73
Trans Model 6KZF
Tire Size   P215/65R15

Drive Gear
Color       Green
Teeth       10

Driven Gear
Color       Blue
Teeth       30

It's interesting...this drive gear has only 10 teeth, all the rest have
13, 17 or 19.  So, proof the drive gear does exist..I only hope it
didn't come too late.

- ---Matt
'86 442

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 01:07:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Need help with cruise control

At 10:32 PM 4/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>My 1978 98 Regency w/ 403, 4-bbl, AC, power everything and cruise, has a
>lunging problem with the cruise control engaged.  Doesn't matter what
>speed, it will decelerate and accellerate all of the time, making for a
>very uncofortable ride.  I have tried to adjust it per service manual, but
>to no avail.  Is anybody familiar with this problem and know how to fix it?

Are you certain that you don't have a vacuum leak? (it's completely vacuum
operated) Or is your speedometer cable to the cruise-control servo binding?

If everything else is in order, you may need a new servo; its proper
operation depends upon a specific amount of friction on the plates inside
it, and if they are too worn, you can have erratic operation. These should
still be available from the dealer; around $70-80 I believe (I got a new one
two years ago).

FWIW, this is probably one of the finest cruise-control systems in the
world. I have the same system in my 403-powered '78 Electra (exact same as
your car, apart from some body panels and the interior trim), and its normal
operation is extremely smooth (gradual application of throttle to maintain
speed, gradual release of throttle when going downhill). I couldn't drive it
smoother myself!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 01:14:22 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 H/O mirrors

At 11:23 PM 4/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Mind you, I've never seen them, but this is what I've heard.  Anyway, if
>they made (or still make) the mirrors, maybe they have gaskets.  Mine
>are getting weathered.  If this company still exists, anybody got info
>on this?  ANY IDEAS people?

Hmmm, if the gaskets are flat rubber items, then there's no reason you
shouldn't be able to use the old ones as a template and cut new gaskets from
some rubber gasket stock with an X-acto knife.

As a last-ditch effort, if the pieces have a molded lip or such on them,
Eastwoods has a rubber-molding kit for creating such items. Again, you'd use
your originals to create the form, and then just pour some liquid rubber
into the mold.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 23:34:14 -0300
Subject: Re: A/C conversions

Clarence R. Isaacks II wrote:
>
> I am putting my 72 Vista back together and would like to know if anyone
> has heard of a retrofit kit to convert the old R-12 system to the new
> R-134a product.
>
> I have read that there is no need to change anything other than the
> drier/accumulator and update the hoses.  Is this true?
>
> Any response or addresses of where I can contact A/C specialists would
> be greatly appreciated.
>
> THANKS


I have never had that service done, but I was told by a good friend of
mine who is A/C Certified that there is nothing to change. He said that
you just have to make sure that the old system is completely evacuted
before you add the new refridgerent (nope, didn't spell that one
right..)It is when the two mix is when you have problems.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 19:38:44 -0300
Subject: Re: Dash chrome

MROTHE wrote:

<snip>

  I've asked all of them about edge stamping
> the chrome. None of them said they do it because it costs too much to
> make the dies.  So, about the lower part of your dash, I'm in the same
> boat.  But, if there is anybody out there who can help, let both of us
> know!!!
>
> Mike Rothe
> 71 442
> 85 442
> 69 H/O

Mike,

Model hobby shops have a "chrome" paint that is dispensed like a magic
marker using a felt end.  That is used to "chrome' model cars.  It works
wonderfully for this edge chroming.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 23:38:42 -0300
Subject: Re: Dash chrome

> Steve,
>
> I'm not sure about the edge chrome refinishing you are talking about on
> the dash, but the instrument cluster bezel can be rechromed in it's
> entirety.  I've had my 71 442 done that way.  I sent it off to Mr. G's
> rechroming service.  That and my dual gate console extension piece.  The
> quality of the rechrome was fantastic.  In fact, after 8 years, it is
> just starting to show signs of wear.  (Try that with factory original)
>
> However, when you get the replating done, your piece will come back
> entirely chrome.  You must obtain the correct laminate of fake wood
> (burlwood, in your case) and paint the upper portion of the panel (top
> part that faces downward) and the leading ring around the gages (closest
> to the guage) flat black.  A lot of people may give me flak for this,
> but I found on plastic parts, for flat black, use Testor's model spray
> paint.  Works great, and it is really a close match for original.  Of
> course, you may want to scuff up or remove the chrome in this area for
> best adhesion, but I didn't and the paint's still there!
>
> Look in Hemming's Motor News in the Services Section, and you will find
> some rechroming services.  I've asked all of them about edge stamping
> the chrome. None of them said they do it because it costs too much to
> make the dies.  So, about the lower part of your dash, I'm in the same
> boat.  But, if there is anybody out there who can help, let both of us
> know!!!
>
> Mike Rothe
> 71 442
> 85 442
> 69 H/O

Hey thanks for the info, I'm sure I should be able to find a rechroming
place in Dallas. Think I'll get the chrome arm rest spacers redone while
I am at it. Could you give me an idea how much having your bezel redone
cost? I want to get all of this done at once, because taking that dash
apart is not something I will volunteer for in the future. The only
think I can think of for the main dash is to CAREFULLY mask everyhting
off nay paint it silver. Correct no, but better yes. Anyone got any
comment on getting that main plastic part of the dash replaced?

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 23:42:50 -0300
Subject: Springs 'n' things

I'm setting here thinking about my car instead of sleeping, when I know
work is less than 7 hours away, but need to ask 2 questions. Is the
front suspension springs different for a 455 & a 350? I not sure that
the 455 really ways that much more than the 350 in Oldsmobile. What
about the accessory brackets on a 350? Are they the same as a 455? Well
I am going to crawl back in bed and continue to not sleep.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 01:53:31 -0300
Subject: Re: A/C conversions

Shang wrote:
>
> Clarence R. Isaacks II wrote:
> >
> > I am putting my 72 Vista back together and would like to know if anyone
> > has heard of a retrofit kit to convert the old R-12 system to the new
> > R-134a product.
> >
> > I have read that there is no need to change anything other than the
> > drier/accumulator and update the hoses.  Is this true?
> >
> > Any response or addresses of where I can contact A/C specialists would
> > be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > THANKS
>
> I have never had that service done, but I was told by a good friend of
> mine who is A/C Certified that there is nothing to change. He said that
> you just have to make sure that the old system is completely evacuted
> before you add the new refridgerent (nope, didn't spell that one
> right..)It is when the two mix is when you have problems.
>
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Cutlass "S"

One word of caution.  This I do know.  Regular R-12 hoses will leak 134
RIGHT THROUGH THE HOSE over time.  You must get 134A hoses for this to
work.  I'm not sure who they are, but I know there are a couple of
companies that make 134A conversion kits, but they are not cheap.  I
think I read it somewhere in an old Musclecar Review or HOT ROD mag. I
don't remember.

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From: "Aaron R. Weimer" <aweimer@ameritech.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 03:04:16 -0300
Subject: RE: Exhaust

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No, I don't want my LT-1 to sound like that.  Nor do I want it to sound
like a Z-28 (a little too loud).  I just want it to sound like a V-8.
Remember, the Impala SS has a Caprice exhaust system.  It may be TRUE
duals, but it still has quiet mufflers and resonators.  I did enjoy the
exhaust on my 1995 Z-28 6-speed, but that sound is appropriate for a Z-28
and not my Impala.  The 442 has a rumble that lets you know it is a v-8,
but it is not so loud as to be annoying inside the car.  I have ordered a
B&B Fabrication Tri-Flo system for the Impala.  I have heard Borla's on
Z-28s and thought the pitch was too high and a little too loud.


Why not go with Flowmasters and let it sound like a 350 should!

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 02:02:11 -0300
Subject: Re: Springs 'n' things

At 10:42 PM 4/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm setting here thinking about my car instead of sleeping, when I know

You too, huh?

>work is less than 7 hours away, but need to ask 2 questions. Is the
>front suspension springs different for a 455 & a 350? I not sure that

Yes, but you can interchange them without jeopardizing life as we know it.

>the 455 really ways that much more than the 350 in Oldsmobile. What

About 50lbs more.

>about the accessory brackets on a 350? Are they the same as a 455? Well

All but the power steering pump brakets are identical. I believe that you
have to adjust one hole on the PS bracket to work on the 455.

>I am going to crawl back in bed and continue to not sleep.

What!?! You're not crawling back *under* the car to get some work done on
it??? (after all, you said you've got, what, seven hours before you have to
be in work? That's plenty of time to detail the front crossmember... ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 02:03:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Springs 'n' things

Shang wrote:
>
> I'm setting here thinking about my car instead of sleeping, when I know
> work is less than 7 hours away, but need to ask 2 questions. Is the
> front suspension springs different for a 455 & a 350? I not sure that
> the 455 really ways that much more than the 350 in Oldsmobile. What
> about the accessory brackets on a 350? Are they the same as a 455? Well
> I am going to crawl back in bed and continue to not sleep.
>
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Cutlass "S"


You are right about the 455 weighing not much more than the 350.  You do
not HAVE to change springs at this time.  But, the added weight will
take its toll eventually.  The brackets are all fittable.  You have to
watch the AC bottom brace (long straight piece.)  You have to change
holes when fitting it to the 455.  And the belts must of course be
changed due to the width expansion when going from 350 to 455.  Hope
this helps.

Mike Rothe

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 02:08:42 -0300
Subject: Re: A/C conversions

At 12:53 AM 4/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>One word of caution.  This I do know.  Regular R-12 hoses will leak 134
>RIGHT THROUGH THE HOSE over time.  You must get 134A hoses for this to
>work.  I'm not sure who they are, but I know there are a couple of
>companies that make 134A conversion kits, but they are not cheap.  I

As far as I understand it, factory hoses and replacement hoses since about
1987 have been made from material suitable for use with R-134A. So though
the older R-12 hoses won't be adequate, you don't need "special" R-134A
hoses, just updated hoses.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 01:27:00 -0300
Subject: Re: A/C conversions

> I am putting my 72 Vista back together and would like to know if anyone
> has heard of a retrofit kit to convert the old R-12 system to the new
> R-134a product.

You should consider using R-406A instead of R-134A.  R-406A has been
approved by the EPA as a drop-in replacement for R-12.  At ambient
temperatures over 80F, it actually out-performs (!) R-12 because it is
essentially a non-azeotropic blend.  The downside to this is that when
leaks occur, the composition of the refrigerant changes, so a complete
discharge and recharge would be necessary.  R-134A has a critical
temperature of only 214F.  At temperatures higher than this,
the gas cannot be liquefied, which translates to a marked loss in A/C
performance, and the need for an oversized condenser to help mitigate this
shortfall.  The critical temperature for R-12 is 233F, and for R-406A,
237F !  Goto:

http://worldserver.com/R-406A/

> I have never had that service done, but I was told by a good friend of
> mine who is A/C Certified that there is nothing to change. He said that
> you just have to make sure that the old system is completely evacuted
> before you add the new refridgerent (nope, didn't spell that one
> right..)It is when the two mix is when you have problems.

I understand that merely evacuating the system is not sufficient.  R-134A
isn't compatible with mineral oil, so a complete system overhaul and flush
would be required.  R-134A uses PAG or POE, both 100X and 10X
respectively more moisture sensitive than mineral oil.  PAG is also
destroyed by traces of CFC's and the aluminum chloride coatings inside the
pipes.  Once the lubricant breaks down, so does the compressor.

Kevin Wong

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 02:28:52 -0300
Subject: Re: Third party help

<italic>

</italic>I thought '62 also, but Setting the Pace lists '61.  This is the
'baby' car I've always thought was great looking.  Lets hope he doesn't
say he wants to sell it.




Lisa Madsen


Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project


Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com


My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 02:36:01 -0300
Subject: Re: 6500rpm Vista Cruisers (was Re: Idioms for Easter)

Yes, as only my luck would have it - the project wagon I'm not keeping has
the heavy duty suspension I want and my poor little daily driver has all
the lightweight stuff.  So I'm going to swap it all over - and drop the 400
in my daily driver.  Originally I did buy the 400 with the intention of
putting it in the project car - then started thinking what a good motor it
is and - VOILA - a whole years worth of car work.  Oh boy.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 02:40:03 -0300
Subject: Re:  '67 F-85

Have spotted a car I'm going to approach the owner about selling.  Drive by
it every day at least 1-3 times.

1967 F-85, 2 door, absolutely not a bit of chrome or trim on it except the
bumpers.  This car is a BARE BONES model, but it has a charm all its own.
If its a 6 cyl. I will die laughing (and still try and get my hands on it).

Of course now that I've mentioned it - that jinxs the whole thing!


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 02:58:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Aluminum Intake

Is that little aluminum V8 an Olds or Buick motor?  Also, isn't that the
motor that was sold to Land Rover, the one they now use in their vehicles?

Just curious.

     Jim Townsend

------------------------------

From: vincent <vincent@Softway.FR>
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 07:02:20 -0300
Subject: starfire 66

do you know where I can found somepoeple whith an OLDSMOBILE STARFIRE

1966 with 425 CI V8 in the world. and in USA, Canada, and Europe.

I leave in France, I have never see an other STARFIRE in france.



Where I can found some piece for my car?



Thank you for your help.



Vincent RAPP

4 chemin de la coudriette

78990 ELANCOURT

FRANCE

------------------------------

From: Jaakko Mustakallio <jaakko.mustakallio@kolorit.fi>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:52:09 -0300
Subject: Re: starfire 66

>do you know where I can found somepoeple whith an OLDSMOBILE STARFIRE
>
>1966 with 425 CI V8 in the world. and in USA, Canada, and Europe.
>
>I leave in France, I have never see an other STARFIRE in france.
>Where I can found some piece for my car?
>Thank you for your help.
>Vincent RAPP
>
>4 chemin de la coudriette
>
>78990 ELANCOURT
>
>FRANCE

Dear Mr. Rapp

I do not have a 1966 Starfire, but I have one year older, 1965 Starfire
convertible 425 here in Finland.
Nice to hear that someone has an old Oldsmobile in France, where American
cars are not very common.

Hope you have a lot of pleasant miles this summer with your Olds.

Jaakko Mustakallio

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:18:55 -0300
Subject: Re: new olds owner needs advice

On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, Dan Lapp wrote:
>         I'm new to the list and to owning an Olds. Just bought a '72
> Cutlass, 350, 2bb, automatic. Body needs work but is otherwise sound - 29k
> miles on it (no, not 129k). I'm wondering what it would take to put a 4bb
> and dual exhaust on it - is it possible/desirable? Any other advice you'd
> care to offer a newbie is most welcome.

Hi Dan, your story sounds very similar to mine. In '93 I bought a '68
Cutlass with 28,000 miles on it. I ended up doing both of the things
you're considering. When the exhaust rotted away I converted to duals.
Just a job for your favorite exhaust shop, nothing special. They'll
fabricate a blockoff for the crossover port on the passenger side exhaust
manifold, and the rest involves just bolting on parts.

Be patient in doing the 2bbl to 4bbl conversion. By that I mean take the
time to collect all of the correct parts you need. A '72 quadrajet and
4-bbl manifold should not be hard to find, either from someone here or
elsewhere. You'll also need (I'm pretty sure) a different throttle cable
and bracket. The best advice I can give once you've collected the stuff
is to get a factory service manual for the car (see www.442.com for
sources) and maybe to join the Olds Club of America for their magazine
and classified ads. Good luck!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Jim Lyons <jimbo@ti.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:32:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Dash chrome

>
>  Hey thanks for the info, I'm sure I should be able to find a rechroming
>  place in Dallas. Think I'll get the chrome arm rest spacers redone while
>  I am at it. Could you give me an idea how much having your bezel redone
>  cost? I want to get all of this done at once, because taking that dash
>  apart is not something I will volunteer for in the future. The only
>  think I can think of for the main dash is to CAREFULLY mask everyhting
>  off nay paint it silver. Correct no, but better yes. Anyone got any
>  comment on getting that main plastic part of the dash replaced?
>
>  Stephen Hoover
>  Dallas, Texas
>  '70 Cutlass "S"
>
>

Stephen, keep us updated as to where you get this done, the quality of the
job, and the price. I will be needing some rechroming done on mine as well.

Jim Lyons
'70 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:36:35 -0300
Subject: Re: Thanks for suspension info!

On Sun, 6 Apr 1997, James L. Smith wrote:
>
>                 Inside door: 33837 5Z134815

33837: Cutlass F-85 V-8 hardtop coupe
5: 1965 model year
Z: manufacturing plant, Z = Fremont, Calif.
134815: sequential number starting with 100001

>                 On Firewall: 8B Lansing,Michigan 21 (pressed in)

I *think* 8B is the date code. 2nd week of August? Wish Paul Hartlieb
hadn't left us, he knew all this stuff...

>                           ST 65-33837BODY BF 11554

'65 model Cutlass F-85 V-8 again, BF= Fremont plant, 11554= body
sequential number

>                           TR 953-13  PAINT DD-A

953-13 = blue interior. Is this car a convertible?
DD-A = Lucerne Mist paint upper and lower, A = black wheels (I'm guessing)

>                          ACC 68198

Accessory codes, but I can't deciper them, sorry. Hope this helps some.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 08:44:06 -0300
Subject: Re: Dash chrome

I have a catalog from Mr. G's Rechromed Plastic dating from '93. They
seem to do a lot of this work. They are located at 5613 Elliott Reeder
Rd., Fort Worth, Tx., 76117-6091. Phone 817-831-3501.

Some of their '93 prices:

'70-'72 Cutlass dash bezel $47.50
'65- '67 Cutlass dash bezel $100.00

Prices include rechroming of plastic only, detail is extra. Give them a
call and get their catalogs.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 06:45:32 -0400
Subject: Re: photos-photos-photos

John Young wrote:

> I have been of town for a few days and when I downloaded my mail it took 27
> minutes.  Somebody sent baby pictures.  Talk about spam!  I do computerand
so on.....

I can imagine how he feels about his mail. One of the digest files (ª573) was
almost 500 kb. That may take some time to download. (8 minutes @ 9600 baud, 30
minutes @ 2400 baud)

That's no more funny :-(

And there has been several similar sized files laterly.

The mail server is a very dumb software. It is designed to forward mail, not
to sort out unwanted postings. It's purely up to us what goes through it.

One solution would have those digest files packed before delivery. Greg, is
that possible ?

One could su*scribe a packed version of the digest. That way the irritating
download time would go dramatically down. Think about the digest archives,
each of them has 100 digest files in them. Yet the size of them is well below
3 megabytes.

Don't tell me there already exists such a service !


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* Esko Ilola                                 *
* Email esko.ilola@tele.fi                   *
* X400  G=esko S=ilola O=tele A=mailnet C=fi *
* Tel.  +358 2040 3439                       *
*       +358 4055 75977                      *
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* Mail  Ukonkivenpolku 7B5                   *
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* Oldsmobile Ninety Eight 1964               *
*            Holiday Sports Sedan (4D HT)    *
**********************************************

------------------------------

From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 23:53:54 -0300
Subject: Re: Dash chrome

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> I have a catalog from Mr. G's Rechromed Plastic dating from '93. They
> seem to do a lot of this work. They are located at 5613 Elliott Reeder
> Rd., Fort Worth, Tx., 76117-6091. Phone 817-831-3501.
>
> Some of their '93 prices:
>
> '70-'72 Cutlass dash bezel $47.50
> '65- '67 Cutlass dash bezel $100.00
>
> Prices include rechroming of plastic only, detail is extra. Give them a
> call and get their catalogs.
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada


Hey thanks for that info, Ft. worth is my neighboor :). I think I'll run
over there Saturday.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

------------------------------

From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 10:24:31 -0300
Subject: Part ªs for 85-87 442 stripes.

     For anyone interested,
This afternoon I'll have a list to send to anyone who wishes to have the
part numbers for the 1985-87 442 exterior stripes and decals.  A friendly
parts person printed out the list for me this weekend.  Just drop me a note
and I'll send you a copy tommorrow morning, so I do 1 mailing instead of
10-12 individual.  Contact me at:

brad.nicholson@ssa.gov

Most of these stripes are still available.  Later

 ---  Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
| | | 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
|/|\| Checking out local ISP's (bye-bye CompuServe/AOL)
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA

------------------------------

From: BigEJ@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 09:58:40 -0300
Subject: Re: Charging Problem.  Bat won't hold charge

I didn't catch what car you have, but many GM charging systems depend on the
charge indicator light circuit to turn on the regulator.  If the bulb burns
out-----no charge!!

If your light doesnt lite with the key on, engine off the bulb would be a
good place to start.

Elephant Engine Ernie

1967 442
1950  88

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 04:52:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Aluminum Intake

James William Townsend wrote:
>
> Is that little aluminum V8 an Olds or Buick motor?  Also, isn't that the
> motor that was sold to Land Rover, the one they now use in their vehicles?
>
> Just curious.
>
>      Jim Townsend

Buick designed the motor & it is identical to the the one used by
Pontiac in '61-62.  Olds changed the heads for their application.  They
also used  a 3-speed AT instead of the Buick/Pontiac 2-speed.  Of
course, the turbo addition was an Olds exclusive (boondoggle).

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Jon442@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:01:50 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 H/O mirrors

In a message dated 97-04-07 00:36:12 EDT, you write:

<< As a last-ditch effort, if the pieces have a molded lip or such on them,
 Eastwoods has a rubber-molding kit for creating such items. Again, you'd use
 your originals to create the form, and then just pour some liquid rubber
 into the mold. >>

I used Eastwood's kit to make the gaskets for my '69, and they didn't turn
out too bad. Some bubbles in the rubber, but otherwise OK.

Jon

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 05:01:30 -0300
Subject: Re: starfire 66

Jaakko Mustakallio wrote:
>
> >do you know where I can found somepoeple whith an OLDSMOBILE STARFIRE
> >
> >1966 with 425 CI V8 in the world. and in USA, Canada, and Europe.
> >
> >I leave in France, I have never see an other STARFIRE in france.
> >Where I can found some piece for my car?
> >Thank you for your help.
> >Vincent RAPP
> >
> >4 chemin de la coudriette
> >
> >78990 ELANCOURT
> >
> >FRANCE
>
> Dear Mr. Rapp
>
> I do not have a 1966 Starfire, but I have one year older, 1965 Starfire
> convertible 425 here in Finland.

> Jaakko Mustakallio

Vincent,

There happens to be a very fine example of a 1966 Starfire just down the
street from me.  I also know where one is for sale at a salvage yard.  I
don't know where any parts are at the moment.  If I see something, I
will post it.  What are you looking for/

That is a nice car.  It is wonderful to hear that these cars are getting
all over the world.  Thanks for you both posting.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 05:07:18 -0300
Subject: Re: 6500rpm Vista Cruisers (was Re: Idioms for Easter)

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> Yes, as only my luck would have it - the project wagon I'm not keeping has
> the heavy duty suspension I want and my poor little daily driver has all
> the lightweight stuff.  So I'm going to swap it all over - and drop the 400
> in my daily driver.  Originally I did buy the 400 with the intention of
> putting it in the project car - then started thinking what a good motor it
> is and - VOILA - a whole years worth of car work.  Oh boy.
>
> Lisa Madsen
>
>
Lisa,

Wow!  That sounds like what I get into.  I am about to take the AC from
my '56 Lincoln sedan parts car to put in my hardtop.  The project has
turned into also changing the springs & rear axle as the weight of AC in
a Lincoln is nearly 500 lbs.  How does one get into such a thing
anyway?  This is the story of my life.

I have been interested in the AC conversion posts.  The 134a stuff is
out as far as I am concerned.  Here's hoping that someone will be able
to give some ideas on how the very old AC can be used in the modern
environment.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:15:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Part ªs for 85-87 442 stripes.

brad.nicholson@ssa.gov wrote:
>
>      For anyone interested,
> This afternoon I'll have a list to send to anyone who wishes to have the
> part numbers for the 1985-87 442 exterior stripes and decals.  A friendly
> parts person printed out the list for me this weekend.  Just drop me a note
> and I'll send you a copy tommorrow morning, so I do 1 mailing instead of
> 10-12 individual.  Contact me at:
>
> brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
>
> Most of these stripes are still available.  Later
>
>  ---  Brad Nicholson
> | | | 1987 442 W-42
> | | | 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
> |/|\| Checking out local ISP's (bye-bye CompuServe/AOL)
> | | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
>  ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA


Good Deal Brad,

I have a list of them too, for any factory color.  I have a copy of the
"green book" page that lists the stripes/442 decals by group,
nomenclature, and part ª.  So talk to Brad or myself, and we can
"sticker" it to ya!

BTW, I also can provide a copy of the 1985 442 sales promotion bulletin
that was sent to all Olds dealers, dated 9/28/84, if anyone is
interested. (I have an original, but you can't have THAT one. It had a
factory picture attached, but I wasn't able to snag that.)

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 05:14:45 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 H/O mirrors

MROTHE wrote:
>
> I was e-mailing with Mike Evans about 69 H/O mirror gaskets, and I seem
> to recall a company was making the repro mirrors.  He told me that was a
> topic threaded around a while back.  Sorry, I missed it.  I heard the
> mirror housings were in plastic, and of not the greatest in quality.
> Mind you, I've never seen them, but this is what I've heard.  Anyway, if
> they made (or still make) the mirrors, maybe they have gaskets.  Mine
> are getting weathered.  If this company still exists, anybody got info
> on this?  ANY IDEAS people?

You might call or write:

Kennedy American
7100 SR 142 East
West Jefferson, OH 43162
PH 614/879-SAVE

These people supply much of the AMC parts.  If they don't have the
mirrors/gaskets, they sould know who does.  These are very visable cars
in the AMC world & anything special for them is news.

Barbara Hillicks in Atlanta works for Year One.  She has a couple of
S/C Ramblers & has been instrumental in making parts for them.  She may
know just what you want.  I don't have an address, but feel that Year
One or the telephone people may be able to help.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:19:13 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 H/O mirrors

Jon442@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-04-07 00:36:12 EDT, you write:
>
> << As a last-ditch effort, if the pieces have a molded lip or such on them,
>  Eastwoods has a rubber-molding kit for creating such items. Again, you'd
use >  your originals to create the form, and then just pour some liquid
rubber >  into the mold. >> > > I used Eastwood's kit to make the gaskets for
my '69, and they didn't turn > out too bad. Some bubbles in the rubber, but
otherwise OK. > > Jon

Jon,

Thanks for the info.  BTW, did you happen to see an H/O air cleaner
laying around anywhere?.....

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:26:46 -0300
Subject: Re: Aluminum Intake

And Yes, that is the motor they sold to Rover (it was never used in a Land
Rover, nor in a Range Rover until the mid 80's).  I've got one!  Basically
it is a slightly updated version of the original design (fuel injected,
fixed the head gasket problems, etc.).  Mine has a 3 speed Borg-Warner
type 65 tranny behind it, but eventually I'd like to swap an optional 5
speed in it (the interior is set up to accomidate either, only mods would
be shifter and installing a clutch on the already existing hardware under
the dash).

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
'84 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350 (5.7L) 4bbl. TH375, 70k miles)
'80 Rover 3500 SD1 (215 (3.5L) V8, EFI, BW-65, 85k miles)

On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, Lloyd Culp wrote:

> James William Townsend wrote:
> >
> > Is that little aluminum V8 an Olds or Buick motor?  Also, isn't that the
> > motor that was sold to Land Rover, the one they now use in their vehicles?
> >
> > Just curious.
> >
> >      Jim Townsend
>
> Buick designed the motor & it is identical to the the one used by
> Pontiac in '61-62.  Olds changed the heads for their application.  They
> also used  a 3-speed AT instead of the Buick/Pontiac 2-speed.  Of
> course, the turbo addition was an Olds exclusive (boondoggle).
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
>
>

------------------------------

From: joshstrub@csgnyc1.attmail.com (joshstrub)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:33:41 -0300
Subject: Problems with th200

I have a problem with my th200 and was wondering if anyone has had a similar
experience.  I was in drive and the trans went into what felt like neutral.
The car didn't stall there and when I steped on the gas the engine reved but
nothing.  When I rolled to a stop I was able to put into park and the linkage
on the outside of the trans seem to be working fine.  I think this must be a
problem inside the trans and whatever the linkage conects to on the inside.  I
this some thing I can fix?  I am not real familiar with the insides of a trans
but am not scared to give it a shot.  I just don't want to cause more damage.

Josh

------------------------------

From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:31:20 -0300
Subject: Re[4]: Aluminum Intake

...Another note on aluminum........

...scrapping out a 62 buick with the 215 aluminum V8....received some mighty
strange looks when the two of us picked the complete motor up out of the back
of the station wagon...It ran good and we sold it for $200...

When it came time to lift the 425 from donor car, the John Deere tractor
could barely lift it out...I think the olds intake was heavier that the
whole buick motor....... >

          Funny you should mention this.  I did roughly the same thing
          with a 215 years ago.  A friend and I carried the complete
          motor (carb to oil pan, water pump to flywheel) out of a
          wrecking yard and put it in the back of my 68 Vista Cruiser.
          We just used the exhaust manifolds as handles.

          The 215 weighs 305 lbs wet.  I put it into a 71 Vega wagon.
          The Vega engine that came out weighs 285 lbs, so handling
          wasn't effected the way 500+ lbs of SB Ch*vy will.  Given
          the Vega heritage of the 1975 and up (H-body) Olds Starfire,
          I always thought the 215 in the Starfire would be a sweet
          swap, especially with a 5-speed.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:41:44 -0300
Subject: Build Sheet, catalogues, and weather

Hello all,

I found "half" of a photocopy of my build sheet yesterday.  I was cleaning
the car up a bit, and getting some wrappers up from under the seat, and I
noticed that there were some holes in the "web-like" material on the
bottom of the seat.  I put my finger up by the hole, and what do you know,
there was paper in there!  The odd part was that this was the _PASSENGER_
seat, not the driver seat!?!?  Evidentally, it had been found before, and
replaced with a photocopy (that was nice of the person).  I only found
half though, perhaps the other half is still in the seat, maybe way up in
the padding (I'm not going to pull my seat apart to find out).  I know the
mechanic that used to work on the car before I got it, I'll ask him if by
some chance, he's got the original!

Can anybody give me a phone number for a company that has a parts
catalogue for G-bodies?  I see them all the time for the 60's and 70's
cars, but it seems that the 80's cars have been sort of "left out" for
body and interior parts by mail order.  It doesn't help much that Olds has
discontinued just about all parts even up to the 1987.

It's been REALLY nice here lately; it was about 70 to 75 degrees
yesterday; perfect weather for Happy Oldsmobilling.  My father flew back
from Chicago last night, though, and his original flight was cancelled
because of 60mph winds and snow!  His flight was delayed for the winds
again in Cinncinnati!  All of you northernor's up there take care now,
stay warm!  The south may have lost the war, but...

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
'84 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme (350, 4bbl, TH375, 70k miles)

------------------------------

From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Sun, 6 Apr 1997 23:34:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Thanks for susp. info.

Jim Smith wrote:
>Thanks to Dr. Barry for catching me up on the conversation about suspension
>mods. The SSI rims I have on the car have me yen-yanging about the 12"
>rotors. I am not sure if they will work with the f-body rotors.

I'm not sure if older (14x6") SSI rims will work with 11" rotors, but I
do know from first hand knowledge that 12" rotors (front or rear)
require 15" wheels minimum.

Scott

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:53:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Problems with th200

joshstrub wrote:
>
> I have a problem with my th200 and was wondering if anyone has had a similar
> experience.  I was in drive and the trans went into what felt like neutral.
> The car didn't stall there and when I steped on the gas the engine reved but
> nothing.  When I rolled to a stop I was able to put into park and the
linkage > on the outside of the trans seem to be working fine.  I think this
must be a > problem inside the trans and whatever the linkage conects to on
the inside.  I > this some thing I can fix?  I am not real familiar with the
insides of a trans > but am not scared to give it a shot.  I just don't want
to cause more damage. > > Josh

Josh, I don't want to insult your intelligence, but did you check the
fluid level and condition?  These TH200's need to be darn near full to
work properly.  And was the color pinkish-red (assuming Dexron) or was
it dark and burnt smelling?  If it looked like metallic floaties in
there, or it smelt foul and looked brown, you may be in for a serious
rebuild here.  Also, when was the last time the filter was changed?  May
be clogged, but also, it should be a press fit into the tranny, with no
support bolt.  There is a possibility that the filter may have slipped,
causing the corrugated o-ring gasket to leak by, sucking air.  These are
just possibilities, but do not underestimate any tranny problems.

Mike Rothe

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From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:20:16 -0300
Subject: G-body Exhaust Systems

Hi, Does anybody have the GM Part numbers for the Y pipe and the
two mufflers along with the tail pipes for the '87 442


Peter L. House
phouse@feith.com
'87 Salon Cutlass

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From: GARY RUBRICH <RUBRICH@bwaafs.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 11:23:28 -0300
Subject: heads for sale -Reply

Scott,
  Please e-mail me back on the 64-67 "A" casting 400-425 olds
heads,address,phone,price, ect.
                                               Thank you,
                                               Gary
                                               72 442 (350)

>>> Jo-Anne Hillier <kozhill@titanlink.com>  4/4/97, 03:21pm >>>
One pair of 383821 olds heads for sale. My book says 64-67 high-perf.
Olds
FAQs says 65 400-425 CID, 80 cc, 3/8" stud. Make offer or trade?
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: JOSE.TREJO@pactel.com (TELESIS.LEGTEL:JOSE TREJO)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:31:00 -0300
Subject: 1964 CONVERTIBLE TOP FRAME

      Date:  04/07/1997  07:31 am  (Monday)
      From:  Jose Trejo
        To:  SF-CCMAIL("oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at Internet")
   Subject:  1964 CONVERTIBLE TOP FRAME

CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF THE CONVERTIBLE TOP
FRAME FOR A 1967 CUTLASS CAN BE USED IN PLACE
OF THE FRAME FOR A 1964 CUTLASS????  THANKS
FOR ANY HELP!!!!

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 04:43:18 -0300
Subject: Re[2]: Where does  it go?

     Were those diesels per chance?  I've heard that is a common failure
     mode for the Olds diesels, never heard of it happening to an Olds gas
     engine (then again I haven't been inside to many of 'em).

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Where does  it go? Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    4/4/97 9:38 PM

When I was working, I had an very large supply of boat anchors that at one
time were Oldsmobile engines, and without exception they stopped being
engines and were available to the yachting crowd because of rear main
bearing cap failure.  The caps would fall apart in pieces.  While they may
be the biggest they were not adquate.


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From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 12:48:55 -0300
Subject: 8.5" Rear end again

Hey Everyone,

Well I went looking for an 8.5" rear end for my '87 Cutlass this past
weekend and found one! I think? See I didn't get to look at it because it
was at one of those yards where everything is on computer. Anyway, the gut
said it was off an '84 Cutlass with about 56,000 miles on it. He said it was
an open rear end with the 2.42 highway gears. Is this right? I thought the
8.5" rear ends came with a limited slip and 3.73 gears and were only in the
442's, GN's, and T-Type Regals. Did these rear ends come with different gears?
     Also, the guy wanted $325 for the rear end (minus brakes) plus a $100
core charge. Does any of this sound right? Thanks for all the help!

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:38:41 -0300
Subject: PS Brackets (was: Springs 'n' things)

...What about the accessory brackets on a 350? Are they the same as a 455?

All but the power steering pump brakets are identical. I believe that you
have to adjust one hole on the PS bracket to work on the 455.

          Actually, the power steering pump brackets are identical
          also (same part number).  The brace that goes to the exhaust
          manifold bolt has both holes drilled in it already; simple
          line up the correct hole at installation.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 13:43:47 -0300
Subject: Re: Bummered

Hi all,

Well I am sort of bummered today.  I have been on a kick to find a
replacement car for the L*nc*ln TC I have.  I was searching the web
for 68 442 pricing information for my attorney and stumbled across
an ad for a 68 442 convertible.  I saw the ad on Friday and decided
to give the guy a call today.  Well I guess I snoozed too long.  The
car was sold.  I guess I am somewhat naive thinking something like
that would be around for long.  I guess next time I have to jump on
the lead the first time I see it.  Oh well....

BTW this weekend I saw an F85 convertible, looked pretty good.  Was
getting work done by a transmission shop.  All I noticed is that it
had a single exhuast pipe and was in general good condition.  I went
and asked the shop if the car was for sale and was told no.  I didn't
even bother to leave a card.  If the owner had intentions on selling
it, I may have been given a chance.  I don't know what is wrong with
me.  I seem to be squeamish when it comes to getting things I like.
You know it took me a whole year before I got my current 442.  I guess
part of my reluctance comes from lack of knowledge in knowing what to
look for.  Oh well....

Well I had to secure an attorney last Friday.  He tells me that my car
may sit for 6 months before anything is done, unless I want to pay for
it up front myself.  Bad choice as far as I was concerned.   He seemed
nice for an attorney and hopefully he will get my case worked out.
Oh well....

I told y'all I was bummered.

Later

Chris Sparks
68 442 (Lonely for a sister)

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 05:35:48 -0300
Subject: Re: G-body Exhaust Systems

     No, but if you check the FAQ the part numbers for the exhaust on the
     '84 H/O are in there.  I don't know if the part numbers are identical,
     but I do know that they are functionally identical and look and sound
     exactly the same.

     Someone mentioned to me in private e-mail a while back that a
     reproduction of this system was available from NAPA for considerably
     less cash.  I haven't looked into it yet, but would be interested to
     know the results if you do.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: G-body Exhaust Systems Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    4/7/97 7:51 AM


Hi, Does anybody have the GM Part numbers for the Y pipe and the
two mufflers along with the tail pipes for the '87 442


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From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:33:49 -0300
Subject: Speaker Locations in Convertible

Hi gang,

I'm getting ready to put the interior back into my 1968 442 convertible and
got to wondering about speaker locations.  The service manual says there is
an optional one behind the rear seat.  Not in mine.  The only location that
looks big enough, even, is right above the convertible top pump.

I'm a bit reluctant to put speakers *behind* the seat since the seat would
seem to absorb much of the sound.  There are few other places to install
rear speakers, however.  It looks like I could get some 5x7s in the upper
piston panels or the arm rest panels, but those locations seemed less than
optimal, too.

I'm looking for a sample of where other members of this list have their
speakers mounted.  Many of you have had wonderful siggestions for me in the
past, and I am anxious to hear if there are ingenious solutions to this
problem.


Thanks,
Bob
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:51:30 -0300
Subject: Re: Problems with th200

Been there, done that, wouldn't advise taking too many long trips.  Try a
bit of EXTEND tranny-slip-fixer (AKA new transmission in a bottle)  This
extends tranny life remarkably, but not forever (and works less good the
farther you are away from home).

On another note, concerning a '72 set of heads, and a '75 intake:
Are there different port sizes?
Will they still bolt up?
Is there a great performance loss?

Detailed explanations could be sent privately if this has already been
discussed earlier.   Thanx.


EA
'75 cutlass, '76 Olds 98 soon to be online at
http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/


On Mon, 7 Apr 1997, joshstrub wrote:

> I have a problem with my th200 and was wondering if anyone has had a similar
 > experience.  I was in drive and the trans went into what felt like
neutral. > The car didn't stall there and when I steped on the gas the
engine reved but > nothing.  When I rolled to a stop I was able to put into
park and the linkage > on the outside of the trans seem to be working fine.
I think this must be a > problem inside the trans and whatever the linkage
conects to on the inside.  I > this some thing I can fix?  I am not real
familiar with the insides of a trans > but am not scared to give it a shot.  I
just don't want to cause more damage. > > Josh >

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From: <the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:57:38 -0300
Subject: '67 Cutlass info

I'm going looking at a 1967 Cutlass "s" tomorrow, and I would like to
gather as much info. as possible on what to look for before I go.  The
car is said to have a bit of surface rust, and, although it runs, it
could use a few things.  Its got a 455, and the owner wants $500 for
the car.  It seems to me that this is a pretty good deal (if there's
no rust holes in the car).  Where exactly should I look for problems.
I know the rear window area was bad about rusting, but were the
bumpers bad like on the G-bodies?  What else should I look for?  I'll
get back to you on what heads etc it has after I go look at it.  I'm
pretty hard up on cash right now, but maybe he'll take my Mercury in a
trade... if not, I'll give the info on the car out to the list.

Thanks for any help,
Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu  or
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com




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From: Oldoldsguy@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 15:12:20 -0300
Subject: Re: RE: Brothers & Kanter Info

Your right there is no excuse for a company like Kanter to be sending used
bearings and mis-matched parts,  and the wiz has a valid point about them
taking the money.  Perhaps all this illistratees is that it is important to
plan ahead when dealing with  specialty products and suppiers.

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 14:00:07 -0300
Subject: Re: car info

>I know it is not olds related but does anyone out there know of a place,
>club, or mail info site such as this fine one, that relates to 67
>firebirds( thats pontiac).

Check out a good listing of links to Pontiac clubs at

http://www.helix.net/~snaz/ppplinks.html

(which is itself a Pontiac club site, so don't forget to follow their
"Back to main page" link as well as the others; I'm posting this here,
in addition to emailing it to kozhill, because it's worth a visit to
this web page just to see the sight of about two dozen Pontiac logos
doing pirouettes like the Radio City Music Hall Rockettes.)

>Sorry about the "P" word but it would be a great help!

Well, you're not the only Olds fan with a Pontiac here.  :-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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