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oldsmobile-digest           Friday, 4 April 1997        Volume 01 : Number 593

Re: '70 Cutlass Convert Body Question
Re: Shave 2 seconds off your timeslips
suspension modifications
Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)
Re: e mail
Re: Desirability (was: Fake 442?)
Re: 8.5" rear end identification
Re: Questins?????????
Re: Compression ratios
Re: '70 Cutlass Convert Body Question
Re: '70 Cutlass Convert Body Question
Re: suspension modifications
Re: photos-photos-photos
supplier reputations
Re: e mail
Re: photos-photos-photos
Re: suspension modifications
Re: supplier reputations
Re: Parsecs & Such (WAS Re: Shave 2 seconds...)
84/HO Gauge Problems
84 H/O Wet weather woes
Re: 84/HO Gauge Problems
Re: supplier reputations
Re: supplier reputations
Re: 84/HO Gauge Problems
Re: 84 H/O Wet weather woes
Re: supplier reputations
Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)
1972 350 for sale
Re: supplier reputations
Re: 1972 350 for sale
Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass
Re: photos-photos-photos
Re: Compression ratios
Re: Idioms for Easter
6500rpm Vista Cruisers (was Re: Idioms for Easter)
Re: e mail
Re: Survived the easter !
1978 Oldsmobile Brouchure For Sale (4/4)
Re: questions
Re: supplier reputations
Olds Events from "Journey with Olds" April '97

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From: HGLYLE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:06:52 -0400
Subject: Re: '70 Cutlass Convert Body Question

> rear qtr panel seams at lower conners of rear glass

my 72 conv, also filled with lead.
i was told by an old and good body man that the lead will swell as mine and
several others i've seen over the years. mine grew (or raised 1/8 in)

harold
72 s conv

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:10:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Shave 2 seconds off your timeslips

My Olds'll do the 1/4 in LESS than 12 parsecs.  I've outrun
Chrysler Imperial starships; not the local family four-doors, mind you.
I'm talking about the big Corvettian ships!  She's fast enough for you...
(you know the rest.)

On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Timothy A. Churchill wrote:

>
> Jim Townsend suggests:
>
> > If you want to shave more than a few seconds from your timeslips, just do
> > the ol' Han Solo thing: install an illegal 0.5-Class hyperdrive! (It's
> > not an Olds unit but it'll have to do 'till Olds makes one of their own.)
> > You're guaranteed to have the fastest hunk o' junk in the galaxy!
>
> So, then it'll do the 1/4 mile in 12 parsecs?
>
> Aye, but where d'ya put the dilithium crystals?
>
> (yeah, yeah, I know -- Star Wars, not Trek)
>
>
>
>
> Tim (Wishes he Could Set a Phaser on 'Melt' Today) Churchill
> -------------
> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
> '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
> '91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
>
>

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From: "James L. Smith" <floydfan@wiltel.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:13:26 -0400
Subject: suspension modifications

I'm a new kid in this town. Just subscribed last night as a result of advice
I recieved from Bryceman.(www.442.com) I'm a little overwhelmed by the
change in the amount of E-mail I recieve. It has gone from zero to tons.

My question is simple. I'm looking for information on the procedure in the
june/july 87 h/rod titled Knuckle sandwich. The supplier (H-O Racing) has
moved w/out a trace. I need the tie end rods they were fabricating to
complete this procedure to my 65 442. Any info will be greatly appreciated!

                                        Jim Smith

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:23:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)

Join the Confederate Government?  OK; can't be any worse than the one we
got now!

OLDS CONTENT(sort of):

They have gasoline tax, and yearly license fees?
Can I get customized license plates with more than six letters/numbers?

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:22:35 -0400
Subject: Re: e mail

MS CINDY L NICK wrote:
>
> how can i get off this list 1800 e mails a day is too many

Hey!  Somebody has been shorting me some e-mail.

BTW, I promised some Olds content earlier today.  This involves my
working w/a local Olds dealer on the Point Mallard show of 24 May
featuring Oldsmobile cars & celebrating the 100th birthday of same.
When I approached the advertising manager of this large chain of various
dealerships about pushing the centenary of Olds, he told me that his
customers didn't care about this one way or another & neither did most
all of the dealers.  He also said that Oldsmobile Division definitely
didn't care & laid it all on John Rock.

He was very negative towards Olds Division.  He mentioned that they not
only didn't support him on anything involving the centenary but were
ripping dealers on the cars.  Many dealers are involved in a class
action suit over having to pay $32000 to get entitled to sell Auroras.
It seems that an Aurora isn't an Olds & so must be franchised
separately.  Being involved w/Cadillac, I was told that the Catera is
being marketed the same way & then they ration the cars.

This dealership was angry over the non-negotiable pricing which is a
reduction from the previous Monroney sticker system.  He claims that the
dealer still pays the same for a car, but has to absorb the lower
pricing themselves.

The final straw from Olds Division is that they don't produce much in
the way of cars that can't be gotten anywhere else.  When I mentioned
the Aurora, he didn't think that the car was such a plus.  The Intrique
and the other new car don't really impress him either.  The message is
that Olds is not building a unique car that the dealers can sell.

I mentioned that there are Olds enthusiasts who wish to be loyal to
Olds.  He was told that we want to celebrate Olds' centenary & want to
support Olds at this tough time.  He finally calmed down & got on w/the
business of promotion, but I'm not so sure that his heart is in it.

He made our complaints seem rather trivial.  That is a shame when dealer
& customer loyalty is both on the wane.  His answer was to get Mr. Rock
out as soon as possible.  He said that he would fire any employee of his
that was destroying sales & moral.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

Southern idiom:  The Bible Belt is not a garmet worn to church.

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From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@Direct.CA>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 19:32:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Desirability (was: Fake 442?)

At 10:45 AM 4/3/97 -0400, Chris Sparks wrote:

>1) Can I make a request for 1968 like the above?

I don't know... can you? ;')

October '96 prices for 1968 4-4-2

654321
Coupe$400$1200$2000$4000$7000$10000
Hard Top$500$1550$2600$5200$9100$13000
Conv.$700$2150$3600$7200$12600$18000


>2) Does "Old Cars Weekly News & Marketplace" have a web site?

I have not found one but it doesn't mean that they don't have one.

>3) What does 1 through 6 signify?

The Price Guide states:

6:Parts Car: May or may not be running, but is weathered, wrecked and/or
stripped to the point of being useful primarily for parts.
This is an incomplete or greatly deteriorated, perhaps rusty, vehicle that
has value only as a parts donor for other restoration products.

5:Restorable: Needs complete restoration of body, chassis and interior.
May or may not be running, but isn't weathered, wrecked, and/or stripped to
the point of being useful only for parts.
This car needs everything.  It may not be operable, but it is essentially
all there and has only minor surface rust, if any rust at all.  While
presenting a real challenge to the restorer, it won't have him doing a lot
of chasing for missing parts.

4:Good: A driveable vehicle needing no, or only minor work to be
functional.  Also, a deteriorated restoration or a very poor amateur
restoration.  All components may need restoration to be "excellent," but
the car is mostly useable "as is".
This is a driver.  It may be in the process of restoration or its owner may
have big plans, but even from 20 feet away, ther is no doubt that it needs
a lot of help.

3:Very Good: Completely operable original or "older restoration" showing
wear.  Also, a good amateur restoration, all presentable and serviceable
inside and out.  Plus, combinations of well-done restoration and good
operable components, or a partially restored car with all parts necessary
to complete it and/or valuable NOS parts.
This is a "20-footer".  That is, from 20 feet away it may look perfect.
But as we approach it, we begin to notice that the paint may be getting a
little thin in spots from frequent washing and polishing.  Looking inside
we might detect some wear on the driver's seat, foot pedals and carpeting.
The chrome trim, while still quite presentable, may have lost the sharp,
mirror-like reflective quality it had when new.  All systems and equipment
on the car are in good operating order.  In general, most of the vehicles
seen at car shows are No.3s.

2:Fine: Well-restored, or a combination of superior restoration and
excellent original.  Also, an extremely well-maintained original showing
very minimal wear.
Except for the very closest inspection, a No.2 vehicle may appear as a
No.1.  The No.2 vehicle will take the top award in many judged shows,
except when squared off against a No.1 example in its own class.  It may
also be driven 800-1000 miles each year to show, on tours, and simply for
pleasure.

1:Excellent: Restored to current maximum professional standards of quality
in every area, or perfect original with components operating and appearing
as new.  A 95-plus point show car that is not driven.
In national show judging, a car in No.1 condition is likely to win top
honors in its class.  In a sense, it has ceased to be an automobile and has
become and object of art.  It is transported to shows in an enclosed
trailer, and when not being shown, it is stored in a climate-controlled
facility.  It is not driven.  There are very few No.1 cars.

Hope this helps...


Nick DiGiovanni
ndigiova@Direct.CA
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
1970 4-4-2

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:32:00 -0400
Subject: Re: 8.5" rear end identification

At 01:17 PM 4/3/97 -0400, Andy Geeting wrote:
>Hey everyone,
>
>   Well now I'm looking for an 8.5" rear end for my '87 Cutlass and wanted
>to know how to I.D. one. Does anybody know the codes for this rear end and
>where it is located? I know these rears came in the 442's and the GN's but I
>would like to know for sure what I am getting. Also, can someone tell me
>what to look for when I'm checking it out so that I get one that is in good
>shape? Thanks!

These might have come in the Monte Carlo SS too. Also check Buick Regal
T-Types

Here are some codes that I have:

83 H/O : AF, BF(posi). Both are 3.73:1
84 H/O: 6TF, 6TR(posi). Both are 3.73:1
85 442: 8TF, 9TF, 8TR(posi), 9TR(posi). All are 3.73:1
86 442: 2TG, 2TR(posi). Both are 3.73:1
87 442: 3TG, 3TR(posi). Both are 3.73:1
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

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From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 23:31:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Questins?????????

NjOlds@aol.com wrote:
>
>          Hello its Enio, again w/more questions on my '87 Olds. Cut. Sup.
307 > ci. > >    ª 1.) I want to change my exhaust on my car but don't want
to go crazy > with it.  The factory exhaust is still on.  I want to know
whether to put on > a cat-back or a true dual exhaust(headers back) and I
don't want it to sound > too loud but want to have a nice sound and still have
good power.  What > should I do?

Enio, what I did with my '84 Cutlass Calais was put on an Edelbrock
muffler designed for the Camaro/Firebird.  I left the stock converter
and exhaust pipe in place from the axle forward.  Where the pipe meets
the muffler behind the axle, I connected the Edelbrock muffler (with 1
inlet and 2 outlets) and have a factory look "dual exhaust" and still am
emissions-legal.  Torque Tech does sell "true-duals" and "cat-back"
systems for the G-bodies (1826 Woodland Drive / Valdosta, GA 31601).  I
just wrote them and asked for a copy of the exhaust catalog.  Hope this
helps.

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 73K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:39:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Compression ratios

Jason,

Your Cutlass weighs 400lbs LESS than your Camaro?!
I would imagine that the Cutlass would weigh around
3700-4000lbs, and the Camaro about 3400-3600lbs.
If what you said is true, then your Cutlass would weigh almost the same as
my Calais, which is supposed to weigh close to 2900lbs, according to
published data.  If that's the case, a hi-po V8 would make that Cutlass a
true land-borne Rocket!  Imagine a V8 in my car...Wow!


    Jim Townsend

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From: Steven Karlecke <SDKAR@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:40:39 -0400
Subject: Re: '70 Cutlass Convert Body Question

At 06:41 AM 4/3/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Jim Lyons wrote:
>>
>> Just took it in to have some body work done and painted. The shop owner
pointed
>> out that it had been bondo'd between the trunk and the edge of the window
>> (where the rear quarter panels end??). He was not sure if there should be a
>> seam there or not and how much of one there should be. I have not been
able to
>> look at another 70 cutlass convert to get an idea. Does anyone out there
know >> how this should be? >> >> Thanks, >> Jim > >Jim, > >On my '68
convetible, the seam is filled w/lead.  I believe that to be >original. >
>Bill Culp >Decatur, Alabama > >Southern idiom: Remember: "Y'all" is singular. 
>
"All y'all" is plural >                          "All y'alls" is plural
possessive > I have a 70 Cutlass Convertible and yes, there is a seam there on
each side of the car. >

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:40:32 -0400
Subject: Re: '70 Cutlass Convert Body Question

HGLYLE@AOL.COM wrote:
>
> > rear qtr panel seams at lower conners of rear glass
>
> my 72 conv, also filled with lead.
> i was told by an old and good body man that the lead will swell as mine and
> several others i've seen over the years. mine grew (or raised 1/8 in)
>
> harold
> 72 s conv

Harold,

That is so right.  My cars w/lead seams have all blown up remarkably.
you can spot everyone of them after a few years.  Good old bondo doesn't
do that - even the cheap stuff.  Look at the stupid rough seams under GM
vinyl roofs.  They don't show at all until you get the vinyl off them &
the workmanship is poor.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

Southern idiom:  There is nothing sillier than a Northerner imitating a
Southern accent, unless it is a Southerner imitating a Boston accent.

BTW, this may be my last idiom.  I'll accept all thanks privately as I
am a little shy.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 14:43:08 -0400
Subject: Re: suspension modifications

James L. Smith wrote:
>
> I'm a new kid in this town. Just subscribed last night as a result of advice
> I recieved from Bryceman.(www.442.com) I'm a little overwhelmed by the
> change in the amount of E-mail I recieve. It has gone from zero to tons.
>
> My question is simple. I'm looking for information on the procedure in the
> june/july 87 h/rod titled Knuckle sandwich. The supplier (H-O Racing) has
> moved w/out a trace. I need the tie end rods they were fabricating to
> complete this procedure to my 65 442. Any info will be greatly appreciated!
>
>                                         Jim Smith

Welcome Jim.  '65 442s are so nice.  We know anything & everything.  I
can't help you.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Albama

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From: Olds Mobile <dmtaylor@tiac.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:03:47 -0400
Subject: Re: photos-photos-photos

reospeeder@earthlink.net wrote:
>
> I have been of town for a few days and when I downloaded my mail it took 27
> minutes.  Somebody sent baby pictures.  Talk about spam!
It must have been a friend of yours as I get my mail every day and I
received no pictures.

  I don't know whether it's the Digest or the
> arrogance of PC/Windows users, but all I get is page after page of code.
>
> I am sure you guys love your cars, I love mine.  But I can't play anymore.
> It takes all the time I can allocate for just to download.
>
Perhaps that powerful Mac is to blame , my 486 33 with 238 meg HD and 12
meg ram has no trouble at all
>
> Think about it.  If some poor little provider, struggling to compete with
>again I would not blame the list as I hav never gotten any pictures.
> This will be my swan-song because I just unsubscribed.  I just don't have
time. Sorry you left with a bad taste but it wasn't a list member to blame. >
John Young > reospeeder@earthlink.net > 70 Cutlass SX convertible > (If you'd
like I have a few hundred pictures of my grandson.) > > Mary
<youngm@earthlink.net>

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From: Travis Adams <cashmore@imt.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:10:05 -0400
Subject: supplier reputations

Any input on the falling suppliers?  Brothers Automotive, Year One, USA
Auto Parts, Kanter, Paddock.

Getting ready for a body off resto and I want everything to match and be
correct.  Want the best parts for the price.  I have all the catalogs
but quality is hard to compare in print and pictures.

Also toying with the idea of headers if I don't have to do any cutting
or removing accessories.  Car is a 65 442 auto, power steering, a/c,
455.  Anyone do this without fabricating their own set.

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 20:03:19 -0400
Subject: Re: e mail

MS CINDY L NICK wrote:
>
> how can i get off this list 1800 e mails a day is too many

I think mine is broke. I only get 100-150 a day.

Danny

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:29:13 -0400
Subject: Re: photos-photos-photos

Just to clarify... around 2 weeks ago we had a rash of instances where a
few people posted photos to the list either accidentally or deliberately.
As you all should know, this is a violation of list policy and is
strictly forbidden. It just causes too many problems for people and for
majordomo.

Those of you on the real-time list never would have seen them. Majordomo
intercepts large messages intended for the real-time list and bounces them
to me. Unfortunately it offers no such protection to digest subscribers,
and they got hit rather hard. This is what was referred to in the original
message. I wrote to the person and explained that, and hopefully he will
understand that this is not something that is encouraged or even
tolerated. I would have expected that he should have already known that,
frankly, but apparently not. But I think it's illustrative of the problems
that occur for some when large files get posted here.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:31:29 -0400
Subject: Re: suspension modifications

On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, James L. Smith wrote:
> I'm a new kid in this town. Just subscribed last night as a result of advice
> I recieved from Bryceman.(www.442.com) I'm a little overwhelmed by the
> change in the amount of E-mail I recieve. It has gone from zero to tons.

Welcome! If the mail is a bit much, maybe you should switch to the digest
version...

> My question is simple. I'm looking for information on the procedure in the
> june/july 87 h/rod titled Knuckle sandwich. The supplier (H-O Racing) has
> moved w/out a trace. I need the tie end rods they were fabricating to
> complete this procedure to my 65 442. Any info will be greatly appreciated!

Wasn't a detailed description of this just posted a few days ago? I don't
have it, but perhaps someone could offer it to Jim privately. An amazing
coincidence...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:30:41 -0400
Subject: Re: supplier reputations

Travis,
      I've bought a lot of parts from Year One, and their quality and
service have been excellent. They are even helpful when I've had to
return parts.
    I installed Doug Thorley headers on my '67 4-4-2. They fit with
minimum problems. If you decide to install them, I'll be glad to share
what Ihad to modify to make fit.
     Good luck,  Doug, '67 4-4-2

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From: "Frank Gonzalez" <frank@tridentsound.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:43:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Parsecs & Such (WAS Re: Shave 2 seconds...)

>
> Albert did prove; however, that you could lower your ETs into negative
> numbers by completing the 1/4 mile before you left the starting line.
> A interesting side benefit was that your car got a year newer each run.
> If you did this enough times, the dealer would have to start honoring
> the warranty again.
>
>     66 Toro
> The /\   /\ and Mike
>
>
> --
> Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>      Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>      (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
>
>

ROFLMAO
You guys have WAY too much time on your hands.
Frank

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From: "Brandon & Gilbert Russell" <russellg@dmv.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:00:44 -0400
Subject: 84/HO Gauge Problems

Question to anyone that can help.

The Voltage gauge in my H/O always reads in the yellow.  I've had the
battery and alternator checked and the both read good  around 13 for the
battery and 14 for the alternator.  I spent yesterday searching the local
yard to find a replacement gauge after two hours and $10.00 I found one.  I
installed it and it reads the same.   The only other problem I have is that
some times all the gauges stop working and cannot not find any pattern as
to when they cut out.  I pulled all the gauges and cleaned the terminal,
same results.  Any solutions would be appreciated.

Thanks Gil Russell

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From: "Brandon & Gilbert Russell" <russellg@dmv.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:05:51 -0400
Subject: 84 H/O Wet weather woes

On dry days the car runs great and on rainy days it runs like crap.   The
cap and rotor are fairly new and seem dry. The wires are new.   Oxygen
sensor is new.  On dry days I dont have any problems starting or cruising.
On wet days the car keeps cutting off until it warms up then it just runs
poorly the rest of the day.

any suggestions

Gil Russell

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From: John Foster <jdfoster@n-link.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:27:57 -0400
Subject: Re: 84/HO Gauge Problems

Brandon & Gilbert Russell wrote:
>
> Question to anyone that can help.
>
> The Voltage gauge in my H/O always reads in the yellow.  I've had the
> battery and alternator checked and the both read good  around 13 for the
> battery and 14 for the alternator.  I spent yesterday searching the local
> yard to find a replacement gauge after two hours and $10.00 I found one.  I
> installed it and it reads the same.   The only other problem I have is that
> some times all the gauges stop working and cannot not find any pattern as
> to when they cut out.  I pulled all the gauges and cleaned the terminal,
> same results.  Any solutions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks Gil Russell

Gil,

I had an 81 cutlass that did tha same thing.  I went nuts after
rebuilding the alternator 2 times in one evening.  When I went to bed I
started thinking where the problem could be.  and then it hit me
"GROUND"  I checked my engine and found the ground wire had broke.  Look
at your grounds.  Take your multimeter and start checking your grounds.


John Foster

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:20:28 -0400
Subject: Re: supplier reputations

At 09:10 PM 4/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Any input on the falling suppliers?

*Brothers Automotive- Sorry, haven't used them

*Year One- Would like to buy from them, but I've gotten better prices
elsewhere

*USA Auto Parts- They are my "last-ditch" place: they have everything, but
they cost more than other places, so if I can get it elsewhere, I do.

*Kanter- "Ah, so *that's* where my last year's salary went to..." I've used
them extensively, as they regularly beat the prices of the local auto stores
on suspension and brake items (if the local store can get the parts at
all!). I'm satisfied with the quality of their parts and their service,
though it can be a bummer when they put something on backorder and that
holds up the whole job. I will probably be ordering a brake kit from them
for my recently-acquired '68 Toro; at $100 (including the $10 coupon from
their catalog) for shoes, hardware and wheel cylinder rebuild kits for all
four wheels, as well as complete brake hoses and a master cylinder rebuild
kit, it's the bargain of the century. It'd cost me twice that through the
local parts store.

*Paddock- Got their catalog, but not much unique there.

One other place that I've used extensively, but that you didn't mention, is
Fusick's in East Windsor, CT. They're on the web, and will send you a free
catalog.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Floyd Berry <fberry2@wvu.edu>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:48:56 -0400
Subject: Re: supplier reputations

At 10:20 PM 4/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 09:10 PM 4/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>Any input on the falling suppliers?
>
>*Brothers Automotive- Sorry, haven't used them
>
>*Year One- Would like to buy from them, but I've gotten better prices
elsewhere > >*USA Auto Parts- They are my "last-ditch" place: they have
everything, but >they cost more than other places, so if I can get it
elsewhere, I do. > >*Kanter- "Ah, so *that's* where my last year's salary went
to..." I've used >them extensively, as they regularly beat the prices of the
local auto stores >on suspension and brake items (if the local store can get
the parts at >all!). I'm satisfied with the quality of their parts and their
service, >though it can be a bummer when they put something on backorder and
that >holds up the whole job. I will probably be ordering a brake kit from
them >for my recently-acquired '68 Toro; at $100 (including the $10 coupon
from >their catalog) for shoes, hardware and wheel cylinder rebuild kits for
all >four wheels, as well as complete brake hoses and a master cylinder
rebuild >kit, it's the bargain of the century. It'd cost me twice that through
the >local parts store. > >*Paddock- Got their catalog, but not much unique
there. > >One other place that I've used extensively, but that you didn't
mention, is >Fusick's in East Windsor, CT. They're on the web, and will send
you a free >catalog. >_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu >Theology Dept,
Providence College, Providence, RI 02918 > >Try Parts Plus.  The prices are
cheaper and top brands are used. Floyd Berry >

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:42:36 -0400
Subject: Re: 84/HO Gauge Problems

At 10:00 PM 4/3/97 -0400, Brandon & Gilbert Russell wrote:
>Question to anyone that can help.
>
>The Voltage gauge in my H/O always reads in the yellow.  I've had the
>battery and alternator checked and the both read good  around 13 for the
>battery and 14 for the alternator.  I spent yesterday searching the local
>yard to find a replacement gauge after two hours and $10.00 I found one.  I
>installed it and it reads the same.   The only other problem I have is that
>some times all the gauges stop working and cannot not find any pattern as
>to when they cut out.  I pulled all the gauges and cleaned the terminal,
>same results.  Any solutions would be appreciated.

My 80 442 has the same gauge setup and sometimes my gas gauge will not work,
oil pressure will drop to zero when driving (scary!) and the volts will read
wacky. I know everything is ok because it has been checked out. It turned
out to be the printed circuit board on the back of the gauges. Some of the
copper connections are broken or just don't want to work. I have not found a
replacement circuit board yet. For your car try to find an 83-87 Cutlass
with the rallye gauges and the 307 with similar options and take the circuit
board off of that car.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

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From: Floyd Berry <fberry2@wvu.edu>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 22:46:31 -0400
Subject: Re: 84 H/O Wet weather woes

At 10:05 PM 4/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On dry days the car runs great and on rainy days it runs like crap.   The
>cap and rotor are fairly new and seem dry. The wires are new.   Oxygen
>sensor is new.  On dry days I dont have any problems starting or cruising.
>On wet days the car keeps cutting off until it warms up then it just runs
>poorly the rest of the day.
>
>any suggestions
>
>Gil Russell
>
>Gil,
Even though the cap is farily new, any hairline crack can cause poor
performance.
Try replacing the cap, and take it from there.

Floyd Berry

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From: JNelson751@aol.com
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 23:34:04 -0400
Subject: Re: supplier reputations

try Tamrazs parts warehouse in chicago. good parts, good prices
jeff nelson
69 442 conv

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:30:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)

At 08:23 PM 4/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Join the Confederate Government?  OK; can't be any worse than the one we
>got now!
>
>OLDS CONTENT(sort of):
>
>They have gasoline tax, and yearly license fees?
>Can I get customized license plates with more than six letters/numbers?
>
>
>
Why not find out, I'm sure you can write to them c/o the Brizilian State
Department.

The Wiz

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From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:35:24 -0400
Subject: 1972 350 for sale

I have a 1970 olds 350 with a 2 barrel carb. for sale if anyone is
interested.
Rick
70 Cutlass conv.
70 Cutlass Supreme

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From: Hiflyr442@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:37:25 -0400
Subject: Re: supplier reputations

my best source has been brothers, although i've occasionally bought from Year
1.  The biggest difference is the likelihood of having items in stock, they
also sometimes carry "supershow" and more generic stuff for less if you want
to save a few bucks, and they have a ton of NOS rare and good used
parts...everything from interior pieces to w-27 rear ends, intakes, exhaust
manifolds, etc.  Very heavy on 68-72, they own and drive these cars for fun
too, and do restorations.  good luck.

------------------------------

From: Yorcoy@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:48:54 -0400
Subject: Re: 1972 350 for sale

Sorry everybody the motor is a 1972, I'm just used to writing 1970
Rick

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 00:56:11 -0400
Subject: Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass

Wow - the bored 100-over 454 we ran in our '70 Chevelle with four link rear
suspension ($6000 in 1980) and similar front suspension, Turbo 400 with
3200 stall, 4:88:1 gears with & aluminum interior got down to 10:26 in the
quarter - yeah I'll bet this guy was scratching his head over a 13 second
quarter.   What kind of cam, valvetrain & carb/intake system was he running?

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: nino@icanect.net (Jose A. Nino)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 03:10:04 -0400
Subject: Re: photos-photos-photos

Dear people,

Although I prefer Macs, I think this is stupid. Let's keep this forum on
OLDSMOBILE talk o.k!?!?! Not stupid apple sucks or windows sucks crap.

Understand, please. :-)

jose nino
nino@icanect.net
'94 Olds Cutlass Supreme SL Coupe

>John Young (reospeeder@earthlink.net) wrote:
>>
>> I don't know whether it's the Digest or the arrogance of PC/Windows
>> users...
>
>HEY!  You don't see us picking on Apple 'cause they can't make up
>their minds if they're going to stay in business or not -- do you?
>
>> And what about AOL.  They're going nuts trying to overcome the log-jam
>> they caused when they went to unlimited usage, and they have to hold
>> hundreds of files of your car.
>
>If SOL can't stand the heat...
>
>> (If you'd like I have a few hundred pictures of my grandson.)
>
>How old is he?  Maybe my granddaughter would be interested.
>
>    66 Toro
>The /\   /\ and Mike
>
>
>--
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: GABowles@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 02:17:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Compression ratios

If I recall correctlly from one of my engineering classes...The change in
horsepower due to the change in compression ratio is relative but not
directly proportional.  That is to say that a change from 8:1 to 9:1 will
give you a larger increase than would the change from 13:1 to 14:1.  I seem
to recall for every one point change around 7:1, that is the change from 7:1
to 8:1, would be slightly more than a 3% power increase.  Once you get up to
around 13:1 that same one point change is only good for about a 1.5% power
increase.

The rule of thumb for the compression ratios run in most street engines is;
for every point change in the compression ratio your power output will change
by 2%.  Using this rule of thumb on an engine that produces 400 hp, every 1
point change in compression ratio will result in approx. a 8hp change in
output.

One thing that you have to remember is that this is a static model.  The only
variable changing is the compression ratio.  Most of the time when a
compression ratio change is made, significant other factors are changed which
can significantly affect power output.

On avaliable pump gasoline it probably could be argued that your power might
actually increase.  This would be true if your compression ratio were high
enough to force the use of a retarded timing curve(due to pre-ignition).

I think this was already pointed out in one of the previous notes the L2323F
TRW forged piston which is rated at 10.25:1 many times comes out much less if
you were to actually compute the mechanical compression ratio.  Two factors
that reduce the mechanical ratio are the as follows:

1. The steel shim head gaskets olds used during the late 60's had a
compressed thickness of only .017".  The common felpro head gasket is .043".

2. When you have a valve job performed the valves have their margin reduced,
also the seats are sunk in the head slightly.

These two factors can increase your combustion chamber volumn by 5 to 7 cc's.
 This is enough to significantly change the compression ratio.

My advice,  consider the use of the car when determining the compression
ratio.  Your camshaft profile probably has the most significant impact on
what mechanical compression ratio you should run.  A longer duration camshaft
will allow you to use higher mechanical compression ratio pistons because it
lowers the effective compression ratio.

GABowles

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 02:29:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Idioms for Easter

And in good old Southern California it was about 65 - no tops down but
there were alot of nice cars out rolling for those trips to the in-laws.  I
am heartily sick of red '65 Mustangs however, don't those people know of
any other color to paint those da*n cars?

Can't wait to drop in my '67 400 CID power plant in the old "sleeper"
wagon.  After that modification, I'm gonna swap the boxed lower control
arms, 12 bolt rear (not posi & uncertain gear ratio right now) and '70
Ch*velle sway bar I've hauled around for 4 years onto the back (my TH400
was gone through by my transmission wizard already).  Then I'll top off my
new dual exhaust system with 3 chamber Flowmasters (I'm not into loud).

Sigh - oops, I was dreaming again.  Nah, I've got all the parts, just gotta
start putting it all together.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 02:52:12 -0400
Subject: 6500rpm Vista Cruisers (was Re: Idioms for Easter)

At 01:29 AM 4/4/97 -0500, you wrote:
>And in good old Southern California it was about 65 - no tops down but

Well, it was about 60 on Sunday here in New England, too. Of course, we got
two feet of snow the next day... :(

>Can't wait to drop in my '67 400 CID power plant in the old "sleeper"
>wagon.  After that modification, I'm gonna swap the boxed lower control
[snip]
>Sigh - oops, I was dreaming again.  Nah, I've got all the parts, just gotta
>start putting it all together.

Ooooh, start putting that together! That sounds like one nice super-sleeper.
In fact, with that short-stroke 400, something like a 4.11 rear gear would
make use of that engine's 6500rpm+ rev capacity, and get that beast off the
line right quick!

I do hate to break it to you, though, Lisa; at 6500 rpm in first gear, your
car might attract the neighbors' attention, even if you go with the
3-chamber Flowmasters... ;)

Just make sure you keep the woodgrain on, as well as the goofy stock '72
hubcaps (well, *I* think they're goofy-looking...). Most people would hear
the sound of the engine, and see the Vista Cruiser, but not be able to
conceive of connecting the two!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 02:58:24 -0400
Subject: Re: e mail

At 02:22 PM 4/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>MS CINDY L NICK wrote:
>>
>> how can i get off this list 1800 e mails a day is too many
>
>Hey!  Somebody has been shorting me some e-mail.

Simple, get in your mail reader program, and go to the configuration menu.
When it asks to leave mail on server, click yes, and then you, too, can get
1800 or more E-Mails a day.  Boy, talk about an esteem booster!  :)

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 02:55:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Survived the easter !

Jeff asked:
> I may be going to England this year, any chance of finding an Olds
> there?

Sure.
If You like right-side steering. Also, the prize will be somewhat
amazing.

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* Esko Ilola                                 *
* Email esko.ilola@tele.fi                   *
* X400  G=esko S=ilola O=tele A=mailnet C=fi *
* Tel.  +358 2040 3439                       *
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*       01610 VANTAA                         *
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**********************************************
* Oldsmobile Ninety Eight 1964               *
*            Holiday Sports Sedan (4D HT)    *
**********************************************

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From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:59:21 -0400
Subject: 1978 Oldsmobile Brouchure For Sale (4/4)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:

1978 Oldsmobile Ninety-Eight, Delta 88, Toronado, and Custom Cruiser
showroom brouchure.  24 pages, 10-1/2 x 12 inches.  Good original
condition.  $10.00, including Priority Mail shipping to any address in
the United States. (4/4/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
this item or if you would like additional information about it.  Thank
you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:16:00 -0400
Subject: Re: questions

Tim- As for G body exhaust systems... Flowmaster Does *not* make a 3" cat
back for the G body. Never did. The only 3" cat back for a G body is from
Torque tech(800) 408-0016. It exits like a Grand National, behind the rear
wheels and is a quality system. You can get em w/ Flowmaster, Dynomax
mufflers.W/o mufflers, it is $325. W/ Flows, $450. If you wanna another G body
system try looking at the Dynomax cat back. ª17423 is the cat back w/ mufflers
and stainless tips exiting straight out back like a Monte SS. Jegs has the
system for $250 including clamps etc. It is a 2.25" id system.

=============================================================================
FRank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon sedan..K&N, dohc exhaust..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 09:31:35 -0400
Subject: Re: supplier reputations

As far as The Paddock goes, they are number one with M*stang parts.
They were more or less the pioneers with sheet metal for the ponies.
Their Olds stuff is the same as you can get anywhere else.  The last
time I checked on Olds rear quarters from them, the counterman claimed
they were from Brazil and not that great.  He suggested good used
western quarters.  Points for being honest with me!  Their first store
started out as a mom and pop operation in an old lumber yard in a small
Indiana town.  Later a California store was added.  I like to think that
their humble beginnings gives them credibility.  I did buy some M*stang
parts from them in my misguided youth and was satisfied.

My $.02
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2 (still waiting for those good quarters)

------------------------------

From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:50:16 -0400
Subject: Olds Events from "Journey with Olds" April '97

I never recieved this back in the digest, which leads me to believe that the
original is in Internet Mail Heaven somewhere, so I'm sending it again.  For
those who did receive it already, I apologize
 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42 (Custard Yellow Primer)
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA (8/97)
==============================================================================
== >From "Journey with Olds"...Official Magazine of the Oldsmobile Club of
America

- ---------
| APRIL |
- ---------
April 6, 1997.  BOP SWAPMEET.  Hosted by the Illinois Valley Olds Chapter @
DuPage County Fairgrounds Main Building.  2015 West Manchester Rd.,
Wheaton, IL. Over 120 indoor spaces available.  10x10 spaces @ $10/each or
10x10 wall space @ $25/each.  Reservations are required prior to March 21.
Last year was a sell out, so register early.  Vendors may set up Saturday
Night if needed.  Sunday doors open to the public @ 9AM.  Make checks
payable to IVOC.  For more info: Dave Pastrick, 200 Willoway Dr.,
Naperville, IL 60540. (630) 357-8083)

April 17-19, 1997.  THE OCA ROADSHOW will again be at Spring Carlisle.  At
Carlisle, PA Fairgrounds, space A34.  Stop by our Oldsmobile Oasis.  Sign
up a new member, renew, buy club merchandise, use the club bulletin board,
use the club Port-A-Potty or just visit.  Space A34 is located on the main
paved road near the new grand stands.  Please note that we will be there
Thursday, Friday and part of Saturday.  We leave sometime Saturday
depending on weather conditions.

April 20, 1997.  18th ANNUAL OLDSMOBILE CLUB OF AMERICA NORTHERN CALIFORNIA
CHAPTER SWAP MEET.  Hosted by the Northern California Chapter.  At the
Solano County Fairgrounds in Vallejo, CA.  Opposite Hwy. 37.  Gates open at
5am and close at 2pm.  Rain or shine.  Vehicles for sale or display $10
each.  Pre-registration for vendors is $15 before April 9, 1997.
Afterwards $20 at the gate.  Make checks payable to Nor-Cal Olds Club, 5762
Collier Canyon Rd, Livermore, CA 94550.  Early setup on Saturday April 19th
after 5:30pm.  For more info: Dave Kenedy (510) 455-6537

April 25-27, 1997.  OCF's SECOND ANNUAL CAR SHOW & SWAP MEET.  Hosted by
the Olds Club of Florida.  At Holiday Inn Orlando, East University Blvd.
and Alafaya Trail, Orlando, FL.  Welcome party, door prizes, dash plaques,
goody bags and ample trailer parking.  Special rates at host hotel.  OCA
judging rules will apply.  Sixteen classes.  Awards also include Best
Vendor, Paint, Engine Interior, Hard Luck, Long Distance and Best of Show.
Registration $10 by 4/19/97, $15 after.  For more info: Bob (407) 359-2998
or John (407) 277 8366.  Or write OCF, PO Box 80, Winter Park, FL
32790-0080.  Hotel (407) 275-9000.  Be sure to mention OCF to get special
rates.

April 26, 1997.  OCNM's ANNUAL BOP SHOW.  Hosted by the Oldsmobile Club of
New Mexico.  At the Sonic Drive-In on Juan Tabo and Candelaria.  Dash
plaques, goody bags and trophies will be given out. There will be six
classes including a builder's class.  Registration starts at 8AM, show
starts at 11AM.  Trophies awarded at 3PM.  Plenty of parking.  Registration
$15 for first car, $10 for second car.  Pre-registration preferred.  For
more info: Ken Halvorsen (505) 891-3649 or Dezz Des Jardins (505) 294-7721

- -------
| MAY |
- -------
May 4, 1997.  ANNUAL SPRING DUSTOFF.  Hosted by the Long Island & New York
City Oldsmobile Club.  At the Four Towns Fireman's Training Center, Merrick
Rd, Merrick, NY.  Over 30 classes judged.  1st, 2nd and 3rd place trophies
in each class.  Food and entertainment.  For more info: Larry (516)
496-8422

May 4, 1997.  CELEBRATE OLDSMOBILES 100TH BIRTHDAY AT CONGRESSIONAL
OLDSMOBILE'S SPRING DUST-OFF OF THE CENTURY.  At Congressional Oldsmobile,
801 Rockville Pike, Rockville, MD 20852.  Rain Date May 18th.  Specialty
Awards.  Open to all Oldsmobiles.  All proceeds go to charity.  $5 pre-reg
before April 28th, $10 day of show.  For more info: Mike Furman:
Congressional Oldsmobile, 801 Rockville Pike, Rockville, MD 20852. (301)
424-7800.

May 16-17, 1997.  14th ANNUAL PACIFIC SOUTHWEST ZONE'S FUN WEEKEND.  Hosted
by the Northern and Southern California Chapters of OCA.  At Cambria Pines
Lodge in Cambria, CA.  $20 entry fee ($10 if you are a judge).  Host hotel
Cambria Pines Lodge, (800) 445-6868.  Othe hotels availaible.  For flyer
send SASE to Box 661224, Arcadia, CA 91066.  Awards Banquet $20 each.
Children under 12 $10.  Make checks payable to North Cal Olds Club, post
mark no later than Friday May 9th.  For more info: Grant Warner (909)
485-1419, Ken Van Gundy (916) 782-3637 or Rudy or Pat Zamora (408)
244-8365.  For room reservations at the Cambria Pines Lodge, (800) 445-6868
or (805) 927-4200.  Be sure to ask for Olds Club rates.

May 16-18, 1997.  ANNUAL SPRING BREAK - hosted by Blue/Grey Chapter.  At
Hagerstown, MD.  No rain date.  All attending must register.  Friday May
16th, Hospitality room at hotel.  Saturday May 17, Crystal Grotto Natural
Caverns, Harpers Ferry National Park & Cruise Night.  Sunday May 18th,
Historic Churches tour, Antitum National Battlefield, cookout for dinner.
For more info: Suzie & Ed Lushbaugh, 5522 Sharpsburg Pike, Sharpsburg, MD
21782.  (301) 432-8752

May 17, 1997.  FINELY OLDS STATE LINE DUST-OFF.  Hosted by Illinois &
Wisconsin Chapters of OCA.  At Finely Oldsmobile, 1790 Gardner St. (Rt 75 &
I-90) South Beloit, IL 61080.  Official OCA judging.  For more info: Bill &
JoAnn Wagaman, 816 13th St., Rockford, IL 61104.  (815) 226-4727

May 18, 1997.  GREATER CINCINNATI/NORTHERN KENTUCKY CHAPTER 12th ANNUAL
SPRING DUSTOFF.  At Terry Oldsmobile-GMC Trucks, 10300 Springfield Pike,
Cincinnati, OH.  Registration 9-12:30.  Cash Awards for Best OCA Chapter
Participation!  For more info: Greg Minges at (513) 367-4052 or Harvey
Freeman at (513) 385-9320

May 31, 1997.  3rd ANNUAL PEOPLE'S CHOICE SHOW.  Hosted by Texas Gulf Coast
Chapter.  At Bear Creek Park, Pavillion ª1.  No rain date.  $15 pre-reg,
$18 day of show.  8am-3pm.  Open to all makes and models. Trophies, goody
bags, t-hirts.  For more info: Chuck Wood, 21034 Settlers Valley Dr., Katy,
TX 77449-4211.  (281) 463-1588 after 6pm CST.

- --------
| JUNE |
- --------
June 1, 1997.  BUICK, OLDSMOBILE, PONTIAC CAR SHOW.  Hosted by the Northern
Ohio Chapter.  At West Geagua High School, 13401 Chillicothe Rd. (Rte. 306)
Chesterland, OH.  No rain date.  Show opens at 9:ooam, resistration closes at
noon.  Car, swap & corral spaces.  For more info: Rich Hilko, Northern Ohio
Chapter, 4067 Cherokee Trail, Brunswick, OH 44212.  Ph: (330) 225-0793.

June 1, 1997.  SPRING DUST-OFF.  Hosted by the Eastern Mass GMO Chapter @
Berjik Olds, 126 Highland Ave., Needham, MA 02194.  Gates open 8:00am,
registration 'til noon.  $10 pre-registration, $12 day of show.  Raffle
table, Pot of Gold.  For more info: Bruce Sweeter, 33 Hobart St., Danvers,
MA 01923, phone (508) 777-2323 or George Berejik,  126 Highland Ave.,
Needham, MA 02194, phone (617) 444-4797.

June 14, 1997.  HOMECOMING '97.  Sponsored by the R.E. Olds Chapter @
Administration Building, 920 Townsend St., Lansing, MI.  Exit 6 off 496.
Car show, swap meet, arts & crafts show, ballot judging, special awards,
goodie bags, dash plaques and auction.  More info: Ken or Marsh Nicholas,
512 West Broad St., Eaton Rapids, MI 48827. (517) 663-2397.  E-mail:
mnicholas@voyager.net

June 15, 1997.  FATHERS DAY.  Buick, Oldsmobile and Pontiac Clubs will meet
at Micke Grove Park in Ioda, CA.  Just off Hwy 99.  A small entry fee to
enter the park ($4.00), bring your own lunch, BBQ available for your
private use.  Lots of grass and shade.  Large covered picnic area with
tables and running water.  Rest rooms nearby and also a zoo for the
children.  Contact Ken Van Gundy Jr., (915) 782-3637

June 15, 1997.  8th ANNUAL BRITISH COLUMBIA OLDSMOBILE CAR SHOW.  From
10:00am to 4:00pm.  At the Waterfront Park in North Vancouver - 2 blocks
west of Lonsdale (and the SeaBus) on Esplanade.  Open to all Oldsmobiles.
 Entry Fee $10 per vehicle ($5 per additional vehicle).  Dash plaques,
trophies, door prizes.  For more info: Dave Sobal, President (604)
596-1301.  British Columbia, Canada.

June 28, 1997.  ANNUAL SHOW AND SHINE.  Hosted by Rockey Mountain Chapter.
At Arvada City Park, for Oldsmobile, Pontiac, Buick, Cadillac and GMC Truck.
 Door prizes, dash plaques, judgung and awards.  For more info: Glenn
Mallory, 11551 Elm Way, Thornton, CO 80233-2744.  Phone (303) 452-5701.

June 28, 1997.  2nd ANNUAL SUMMER SHOW.  Hosted by the Blue-Gray Chapter.  At
Brenner Cadillac-Oldsmobile, 222 Paxton St., Harrisburg, PA.  No rain date.
Pre-register by June 20.  Registration 9-11am.  Trophies awarded at 2pm.
Registration fee $5.  Mail pre-registrations to Paul Hartlieb, 617 Mayflower
Dr., Hummelstown, PA 17036.  For more info: Dave Daniels, 6 Arwin Dr.,
Hummelstown, PA 17036.  Phone (717) 566-3697

June 28, 1997.  RENNET OLDS SHOW, MILWAUKEE.  Hosted by the Olds Club of
Wisconsin.  For more info: Brian McArthur (414) 662-7295 or fax (216)
663-5331

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July 19, 1997.  THE NORTHERN OHIO CHAPTER along with the City of Geneva
Ohio, the birthplace of Ransom E. Olds, and Geneva Memorial Hospital are
planning a family fun filled and historical weekend get together of
Oldsmobiles.  For more info: Jim Savnik (216) 663-7295 or fax
(216) 663-5331

July 19,1997.  4th ANNUAL ROCKET ROUND-UP IN OLDS.  Hosted by the Northern
Lights Chapter.  At Olds, Alberta Canada. 12 noon to 4pm.  T-shirts, Dash
Plaques, OCA Judging, Trophies, Door Prizes, Vendors (Swap Meet).  Awards
Banquet at the Royal Canadian Lodge in Olds.  Free hot dogs, pop and cake.
Pre-registration is encouraged.  Googy bags to first 75 registered.  Awards
include long distance and Oldsest Oldsmobile at Olds.  Sponsored by
Hilebrand Olds and the town of Olds, Alberta.  For more info: Ken Pilidis,
213 Kaskitayo Ct., Edmonton, Alberta T6J 3T3 Canada. (403) 434-6335.

July 19, 1997.  CLIFF WALL SHOW, Green Bay.  Hosted by the Olds Club of
Wisconsin.  For more info: Rick Fleury (414) 465-1502.

July 26, 1997.  UFTRING OLDS FUN SHOW.  Hosted by the Illinois Valley Olds
Chapter.  At UFTRING Oldsmobile, 1860 Washington Rd., Washington, IL (near
Peoria).  Participant Judging.  For more info: Dick Yech, 3 N 621 Locust
Ave., West Chicago, IL 60185. (630) 231-0066

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August 1-2, 1997.  OLDSMOBILE PERFORMANCE CHAPTER MEET.  Hosted by Gem City
Rockets @ Howard Johnson Motor Lodge, !-75 & Rte 122, Exit 32, Franklin, OH.
No rain date.  Pre-registration $10 until July 25th.  Day of show $15, 9am to
noon.  Dash plaques for the first 125 cars.  T-shirts can be purchased.
Auction and door prizes.  Cruise-In's Friday and Saturday evenings.  Open to
all Oldsmobiles  For info: Jim Hosey, 155 Sesame St., Springboro, OH 40566.
(513) 748-3540 days.  Mellissa McGrew (513) 743-0473 evenings.

August 3, 1997.  20th ANNUAL MINNESOTA STATE CAR SHOW AND SWAP MEET.  Hosted
by the Minnesota Chapter.  At Jim Lupient Oldsmobile, Highway 394 &
Louisiana, Golden Valley, MN.  8am to 3pm.  This will be a non-judged show
this year.  All Oldsmobiles welcome.  For details: Joel (612) 781-6396 or
Randy (612) 434-6761.

August 3, 1997.  DAS AWKSCHT FESCHT (The August Festival).  Hosted by the
blue-gray Chapter @ Macgungie Memorial Park, Route 100, Macungie, PA.  No rain
 date.  Pre-registration only! July 1, 1997 deadline for registration.  Open
to all Oldsmobiles up to and including 1972 models only.  Participation
awards are given, pre-registration was $8 in 1996.  For more info: Bob
Seaman, 559 1/2 N. Locust St., Hazelton, PA 18201-4922.  Phone (717)
455-8040.

August 10, 1997.  ANNUAL AVERY GREENE MOTORS OLDSMOBILE CAR SHOW.  Hosted
by the Northern California Chapters.  At Avery Greene Motors, 800 Admiral
Callaghan Ln., Vallejo, CA at Interstate 80 and Redwood Street exit.  This
will be the kick off for the West Coast Caravan to Oldsmobile's 100th
Anniversary in Lansing, MI.  Bar-B-Que held on site.  For more info: (915)
782-3637

August 11-20, 1997 A CARAVAN FROM THE SAN FRANCISCO AREA TO LANSING, MI.
for the Centennial Celebration.  Watch "Journey with Olds" for more
information.  For more info: Greg Childs, 615 E. Mutton Hollow Rd.,
Kaysville, UT  84037.

August 15-20, 1997.  AN ALTERNATIVE CARAVAN TO LANSING.  There will be four
different groups leaving for the Nationals on Friday, August 15, 1997, leaving
 from Los Angeles, CA, San Francisco, CA, Portland, OR and Seattle, WA.
Groups will be joining together along the way forming one group by Illinois.
Anyone along the way is welcomed and encouraged to join in at any point.  For
more info: Mike Izzo on the west coast (818) 434-2656 and Al Russell in
Denver, CO area (303) 457-1079.

August 17, 1997.  14th ANNUAL ALL OLDSMOBILE CAR SHOW AND SWAP MEET.  Hosted
by the Northern Ohio Chapter.  At Carnation Mall, Route 62, Alliance, OH.  No
rain date.  Show opens at 9:00am.  Registration closes at noon.  Awards
3:30pm.  Car corral, dash plaques, door prizes.  For more info: Rich Hilko,
4067 Cherokee Trail, Brunswick, OH 44212.  Phone (330) 225-0793.

August 20-23, 1997.  OLDSMOBILE CENTENNIAL CELEBRATION.  Hosted by
Oldsmobile Division, General Motors Corp.  Any questions about the event,
please write Bob Jarboe, Oldsmobile Centennial Manager, Oldsmobile
Division, GMC Mail Stop ª7060, 920 Townsend St., Lansing, MI 48901-5066.
Fax (517) 487-5151 or call (800) 648-6630.  Housing questions or info
contact Oldsmobile Housing Bureau, PO Box 15066, Lansing, MI 48901-5066.
Fax (517) 487-5151 or call (800) 648-6630.

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September 7, 1997.  ALL OLDSMOBILE FUN CAR SHOW AND SWAP MEET.  Hosted by
the Archway Chapter.  All years are welcome and any condition.
Registration $10 day of show.  Swap meet $15.  Heart of St. Charles Banquet
Center, St. Charles, MO Hwy 70 & 5th St. at the Missouri River.  For more
info: Randy Masnica, 1447 Prospect Lakes Dr., Wentzville, MO 63385.  (314)
332-9313.  Or John Palmberger, 11366 Birmingham Ct., St. Louis, MO 63138.
(314) 355-4864

September 7, 1997.  100th ANNIVERSARY ALL OLDS CAR SHOW.  Hosted by the
Western New York Chapter.  At Jack Hayes Oldsmobile, 13090 Main Rd., Akron,
NY 14001 (Buffalo, NY).  All years welcome and any condition.  Door prizes,
dash plaques, awards in 23 classes, special awards.  Lodging nearby.  For
more info: Bill Cerych, 2197 Main Rd., Corfu, NY 14036, (716) 762-9909.  Or
write Jeff Hasse, Jack Hayes Oldsmobile, 13090 Main Rd., Akron, NY 14001.

September 12-13, 1997 - QUAD STATE MEET.  Hosted by the Oldsmobile Club of
Wisconsin.  Dodgeville, WI.  For more info: Jim Lahti (414) 258-3814.

September 19-21, 1997.  5th ANNUAL PACIFIC NORTHWEST ALL OLDSMOBILE WEEKEND
RALLY.  Join us for a weekend by the ocean in picturesque Parksville on
Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada.  Activities start Friday night
with a Salmon BBQ followed Saturday by an informal show and shine and cruise
to the BC Forest Museum to ride a historic steam train.  Awards dinner
Saturday night.  Hosted by the British Columbia Oldsmobile Club with the Puget
 Sound and Northern Light Chapters.  All OCA and affiliate members welcome.
Limited rooms available.  For hotel reservations call Gray Crest Seaside
Resort today @ (250) 248-6513.  Room rates are $73/Cdn (approx $55 US) per
night.  Reservations must be made by June 30, 1997.  Contact Richard Lewis at
(604) 540-1874 for registration, maps and general information.

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October 5, 1997.  4th ANNUAL TRUCKEE DONNER CLASSIC.  Hosted by the
Northern California Chapter.  At the Best Westerm Motel, 1131 State Hwy.
267, Truckee, CA.  8am-3pm.  Cars to be judged must be on the show field no
later than 9am.  Pre-registration required.  No entries accepted day of
show.  Entries must be in by Sept. 26, 1997.  The entry fee is $15.  You
must be an Oldsmobile Club member to show your Oldsmobile.  Awards will be
presented after the show.  For more info: Ken Van Gundy, Jr. (916)
782-3637.  Reservations available at the Best Western Motel at (800)
824-6385.  Mention Olds Club (800)

October 11-12, 1997.  FIRST ANNUAL REGIONAL OLDSMOBILE SHOW AND GO DAY.
Hosted by the Rallye 350 Club.  At Raceway Park in Englishtown , NJ.
Racing and People's Choice for muffled cars on Saturday.  Racing only on
Sunday for unmuffled and muffled cars.  There will be a flea market also.
Saturday night will end with a buffet and awards dinner at a nearby hotel.
For more info: JoAnne Latorre (908) 276-8008 or (908) 276-4395.
Registration will be available in March.

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July 15-18, 1998.  OCA 1998 NATIONAL MEET.  Hosted by the Illinois Valley
Olds Chapter.  Our host hotel is the Crowne Plaza ( or on the same
property) the sister hotel Holiday Inn East - Springfield IL.  Be sure to
tell them you are with the Oldsmobile Club of America to get our group
rates.  For the Crown Plaza call (217) 529-7777 or for the Holiday Inn East
call (217) 529-7171.  For event information contact Bill & JoAnn Wagaman,
816 13th St., Rockford, IL 61104.  Chapter Phone: (815) 398-6698

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