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oldsmobile-digest           Monday, 3 March 1997        Volume 01 : Number 546

1961 & 1957 manuals
Re: High RPM Stress con'd: Turbo Backpressure
Re: 70' 442-W30
64 Vista Cruiser
2bbl <=> 4bbl heads?
Re: 70' 442-W30
Olds 3X2
Re: 70' 442-W30
Re: Spring is near and Oldsmobiles (and others) are blooming
Re: 64 Vista Cruiser
Re: 70' 442-W30
Re: turbos/RPM stress
Re: 1961 & 1957 manuals
Re: 70' 442-W30
[none]
FAQ requests
Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
64 88 for sale
Re: 442 W-Dirty
Re: turbos/RPM stress
Re: 442 W-Dirty
Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?
Re: Info please
Olds 425
Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
100th Ann. Info & more
Re: 64 Vista Cruiser
Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
Re: turbos/RPM stress
ADMIN: C'mom Folks! :(
Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
'nother Olds
Re: 100th Ann. Info & more
Wiper adjustment
Re: 442 W-Dirty
Whipple Chargers...was Re: turbos/RPM stress
Re: 442 W-Dirty
floor pans
Re: 64 Vista Cruiser
Re: Fusick
Re: 442 W-Dirty
Re: Idle question
Re: 2bbl <=> 4bbl heads?
Re: Idle question
Re: REAR BUMPER TO 66 OLDS 98 CONVERTIBLE WANTED
Re: Olds 3X2
Re: Idle question
Free Cars....
RE:'86 442   TPS
Re: 1961 & 1957 manuals
Re: 64 Vista Cruiser
455 What?(meaningless midadventure)
Re: 2bbl <=> 4bbl heads?
FS: '70 98 and '73 Cutlass "S" in RI (not mine)
Bumper Sticker
Re: Info please
T-3 Inquiry
please stop the e-mail
Re: Info please

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From: IRA_H_SIEGELMAN@vnyao.dcmdw.dla.mil (IRA H SIEGELMAN)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:20:37 -0400
Subject: 1961 & 1957 manuals

     Would anyone be interested in purchasing an original 61 parts and
     accessories (chassis edition) catalog and an original 56 master body
     parts manual?

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From: eppu@cc.tut.fi (Jari Porhio)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:42:01 -0400
Subject: Re: High RPM Stress con'd: Turbo Backpressure

> sometime.  I'm just saying that it DOES cost hp to drive it...it just helps
> the engine derive more hp than it costs.

  A former director at Saab said that a turbo usually makes four hp out
of every hp it consumes.

__________________________________________________________________________
 Jari Porhio  eppu@iki.fi :                     No offence  :)

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From: John Schumacher <jd.schumacher@baylordallas.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:38:18 -0400
Subject: Re: 70' 442-W30

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
>
> >
> > Clayton Pierce wrote:
> > >
> > > If it was me, I'd probably just get a set of Goodyears w/ raised white
> > > letters, a good traction/tread rating, and "z" speed rating.  Probably
I'd > > > put 245/60/15's on the back and 225/60/15's on the front, although I
might > > > be able to be talked into going to a 65 series tire. > > > > John
Schumacher wrote: > > > > I second Clayton's suggestion.  Although I would
install 225's on all > > four corners to allow rotation. > > I don't know
about 225s all the way around.  I've got 245/60/14s all > around on mine, and
they still look too small for the rear wheel well. > > Kurt > 71 442


I thought Clayton was talking about a 15 inch wheel.  Yea your 14's are
smaller than a 15 and will not fill a wheel well unless you use
G-70/14's....White wall of course.

John
64 D88
69 442
74 Supreme

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From: Jim Hoekendijk <jim.hoekendijk@pi.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:59:27 -0400
Subject: 64 Vista Cruiser

I've been monitoring the oldsmobile-digest for a while and I think I am
ready to come with some questions myself.

Since a short period I am the proud owner of a '64 Vista Cruiser. Except
for the outside mirror it is really completally original. It has a
perfect original interior, but needs a new paint. That's my first
question. The interior is brown, the paint is white. It's not the
original paint but it looks like the original color. I want to restore
it as original so I want to know the original color.
I have the original Owner Protection Plan booklet with protect-o-plate,
it has several codes on it:

   T152360G             824m232829
   64H-274              LA-3372
   3265-RRA-398         V

I know 824m232829 represents the engine, and I've learned it the 330
high-compression 4 bbl optional engine.

What do all the other codes mean? Can the original color be derived from
it?

Furthermore I'm looking form some parts, but as you can see, I live in
The Netherlands, Europe. I have aquintants go to California regular, so
I can let them pay and pick things up. But before I come with a
partslist I have to make an inventory, which I will do in time.

Also I am looking for a '64 Oldsmobile shopmanual.

Hope to hear from you all!

Sincerely, Jim.

- --
Jim Hoekendijk
Badhuisweg 60
7314 EE  Apeldoorn
The Netherlands
Tel:    +31 55 522 63 59
Mobile: +31 65 460 51 77
E-mail: jim.hoekendijk@pi.net

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:05:13 -0400
Subject: 2bbl <=> 4bbl heads?

Question for y'all.

The motor in my '84 Cutlass is a '74 model 350 4bbl, therefore, "8" heads.
I've found a set of "7a" heads on an older 350 in a junk yard that could
be bought cheap.  The one in the 'yard is a 2bbl. motor, while mine is a
4bbl. motor.  I wouldn't think that it would matter, but though I'd better
ask to be sure.  Are there any differences between the heads on a 4bbl
motor as compared with a 2bbl. motor?  Would it be a good suggestion to
put these headson my motor?  What sort of power gain should I expect.

Thanks for any help,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

------------------------------

From: John Schumacher <jd.schumacher@baylordallas.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:51:29 -0400
Subject: Re: 70' 442-W30

theogns wrote:
>
> >
> > I second Clayton's suggestion.  Although I would install 225's on all
> > four corners to allow rotation.
> >
> > John Schumacher
>
> I agree...except....don't tires rotate when the car is moving?!?!?? :)
>
> Danny
>
> > NTOCª254
> > OCAª021551
> > 64 D88
> > 69 442
> > 74 Supreme


Your tires must be worn badly on the outer/inner of the front tires and
slick in the middle of your rear.  Well, I mean your right rear
tire.....

John

------------------------------

From: joshstrub@csgnyc1.attmail.com (joshstrub)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:11:45 -0400
Subject: Olds 3X2

I just saw an add for an Oldsmobile 3X2 intake stamped 571145 for $100.  The
lady had know idea if this was J2 or the '66 L-69. If anyone knows what year
this is for or is interested let me know.

Josh

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:24:45 -0400
Subject: Re: 70' 442-W30

John Schumacher wrote:

> Your tires must be worn badly on the outer/inner of the front tires and
> slick in the middle of your rear.  Well, I mean your right rear
> tire.....

Hey, Hey.  No commments about BHCs please.  I tend to have a vivid
imagination
and this statement nearly scared me ;-)

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:23:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Spring is near and Oldsmobiles (and others) are blooming

Yes, I found a pretty complete, relatively rust free '72 Cutlass "S" in a
junkyard over the weekend.  Its got a 350 in it, and the wheels removed,
and possibly the rear axle remeoved (it was hard to tell in the mud, we've
had a little bit of the same weather here in Tenn. as they've had in
Kentucky, just not as bad).  The car has a good hood, good doors, fenders,
etc. and might have some interior pieces as well.  Its got the S hood with
the little miniature louvers.  The interior was sort of a tan color.  The
exterior was olive-colored.  Knowing this particular junkyard, the whole
car could probably be bought for $100. but I didn't ask for a price.   I
also found a pre-smog olds 350 for some-reason stuffed into an older
Camaro, I guess that you use what you've got to work with, I know some
Ch*vy people that would have gotten irate about this'n though.  I counted
3 350 diesel motors there as well.  There was also a 60's Ch*vy Impaler
Convertible there (although it was a little worse for the wear to say the
least) had 327 emblems on it, but I didn't pop the hood to check.  They
got in _two NICE_ Vista Cruisers as well, but the guy at the junkyard said
that he was keeping them for his wife who had been looking for a station
wagon.  Also saw a '69 Shovelle SS that had had the back end of it
clipped.  Don't know why, as the fenders, glass, were still good on it,
and the hood and header panel could be fixed.  Obviously the motor,
tranny, etc. were gone off of this'n.


Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu


On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, david wyatt wrote:

> This past weekend I spotted a 61(?) Olds 4dr hauling a large piece of
> furniture in it's trunk.  The car looked original, probably belonged to
> someones grandmother at some time.  I then spotted a mystery Olds
> setting at the local Wal-Mart.  It was a 70-72 A-body 2dr sedan.  It had
> a 70 4-4-2 rear bumper and a 71 or 72 hood, grille and bumper.  The hood
> had the fake vents on each side and the grilles set out at the front of
> the opening as opposed to being recessed.  I am guessing the car was a
> 70, it also had the chrome mouldings on the leading edge of the front
> fenders also with the coresponding hood moulding painted.  The car was
> very confused.  The VIN tag on the dash was too cruddy to read.  The
> interior had been changed to a late model type of cloth, so I could not
> even look at the seats or door panels for a clue.  The poor thing was
> also painted (recently) purple and all emblems were removed.  It was a
> stick, which was nice to see.  I thought the last year for post cars was
> 1970.  Does anyone of you know what year the 2dr sedan was last built?
>
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2
>
>

------------------------------

From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:57:59 -0400
Subject: Re: 64 Vista Cruiser

At 01:59 PM 3/3/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Since a short period I am the proud owner of a '64 Vista Cruiser. Except
>for the outside mirror it is really completally original. It has a
>perfect original interior, but needs a new paint. That's my first
>question. The interior is brown, the paint is white. It's not the
>original paint but it looks like the original color. I want to restore
>it as original so I want to know the original color.
>I have the original Owner Protection Plan booklet with protect-o-plate,
>it has several codes on it:
>
>   T152360G             824m232829
>   64H-274              LA-3372
>   3265-RRA-398         V
>
>I know 824m232829 represents the engine, and I've learned it the 330
>high-compression 4 bbl optional engine.

Jim,

The 824M232829 is the Vehicle Identification Number, but it only tells you
so much.  In this case,
the 8 means simply that your car has an 8-cylinder engine.  The 2 refers to
the Cutlass F-85 series, the 4 refers to the 1964 model year, the M refers
to the manufacturing plant location (in this case, Lansing, Michigan), and
the 232829 is the sequential production number at that plant beginning with
001005.  I don't know if the body color information is on the
protect-o-plate.  It IS on the body information plate, which is another
little plate full of numbers located on the car.  I believe that it's
located under the cowl somewhere on the driver's side.  It's about the size
of a credit card.  If you can find that plate and tell me what all of the
numbers are, I should be able to tell you what color your car was, as well
as the interior color(s), when it left the factory.


Dan




**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
**************************************

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:30:50 -0400
Subject: Re: 70' 442-W30

On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, John Schumacher wrote:

> Your tires must be worn badly on the outer/inner of the front tires and
> slick in the middle of your rear.  Well, I mean your right rear
> tire.....
>
> John

Yep, it is getting quite slick in the middle, you can almost feel it
getting worse every day :-)
Oh, you meant Danny, I see :-)

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldmobilling,
Clayton (vroom vroom, brrrrraaawwww... ...rrrk) Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:57:50 -0400
Subject: Re: turbos/RPM stress

Scott R Clark wrote:
>
> > Turbochargers do use the gas flowing through them to spin their turbines,
> > but it is the "heat" in these gases that operate the turbines.  The energy
> > of combustion contained in these gases is what is transferred to the
> > turbine blades, making them turn.  A way to think of "heat" is to consider
> > it a TRANSFER of kinetic energy(KE), rather than as the energy itself.
> > The temperature of the exhaust gases is very high, meaning that the gases
> > contain a lot of kinetic energy.
>
>         *snip*
>
>         At the risk of beating a horse that my very well be dead, I'll
> throw in a couple cents worth here--
>
>         Your point about the heat transfer and such is well taken, but I
> would still say that a turbo would still operate with a room temperature
> exhaust charge.  It would'nt be as efficient, and would not make as much
> power for the reasons you stated above involving the heat, but it would
> still work.

<snip>

  As far as I know, the only
> time full exhaust flow does not go through a turbo is when a wastegate is
> used to limit boost.  Anyway, thats just my 2 cents worth.
>
>                                 Scott
>

Scott,

When I turn off my hot engine on my old '62 Jetfire, the turbo winds
down.  The turbo & exhaust manifolds stay hot for quite a while after
the turbo is off.  I believe that the passing of the exhaust over the
blades of the driven exhaust turbine causes it to rotate.  The
temperature isn't giving me the main effect.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: chray@Logical.Net
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:18:22 -0400
Subject: Re: 1961 & 1957 manuals

I might be interested in the 56 manual.  Can you tell me a little more about
it? Is it a 56 or 57 manual?  I own a 1956 4-door sedan rocket 88.

Ray Rettig
chray@logical.net


At 11:20 AM 3/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>     Would anyone be interested in purchasing an original 61 parts and
>     accessories (chassis edition) catalog and an original 56 master body
>     parts manual?
>
>

------------------------------

From: "T. Cruise" <tcruise@mcs.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:24:57 -0400
Subject: Re: 70' 442-W30

Please,
remove me from the mail list...  Thank-you

Clayton Pierce wrote:
>
> On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, John Schumacher wrote:
>
> > Your tires must be worn badly on the outer/inner of the front tires and
> > slick in the middle of your rear.  Well, I mean your right rear
> > tire.....
> >
> > John
>
> Yep, it is getting quite slick in the middle, you can almost feel it
> getting worse every day :-)
> Oh, you meant Danny, I see :-)
>
> Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldmobilling,
> Clayton (vroom vroom, brrrrraaawwww... ...rrrk) Pierce,
> zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

------------------------------

From: chray@Logical.Net
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:26:38 -0400
Subject: [none]

unsubscribe oldsmobile chray@logical.net

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:03:25 -0400
Subject: FAQ requests

For those that have requested a copy of the FAQ, I have not sent it to you
because the next revision is coming out soon, like most likely this week.
It is all HTML as opposed to text and contains much new information.

For now, if you want to pick up 2.0, check out http://www.442.com,
http://www.cps.msu.edu/~twomeysh, http://www.en.com/users/thall, and
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu

------------------------------

From: John Schumacher <jd.schumacher@baylordallas.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:46:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

Jonah Kadish wrote:
>
> I was wondering if you can get a hold of some chrome trim for a 1964
> dynamic 88.
>                 Thanks,
>                         Jonah


I have a lot of 64 D88 parts/trim/motor/ect.  What are you looking
for???

John Schumacher
NTOCª254
OCAª021151
64 D88
69 442
74 Supreme

------------------------------

From: BBraden@qualitybio.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:39:39 -0400
Subject: 64 88 for sale

     I saw this in today's paper (Wilmington Delaware) and thought it was
     worth passing on.

     Oldsmobile 88 '64 48K Orig. Miles
     2 dr hardtop, very clean]
     $2500 firm
     302-378-4443 evenings
     302-325-3155 days

     If anyone is really interested and geographically challenged I would
     be willing to check it out.

     Bob Braden
     bbraden@qualitybio.com
     71 442
     72 442 Conv.
     former 88 owner

------------------------------

From: Frank Gonzalez <PLPAUDIO@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:35:29 -0400
Subject: Re: 442 W-Dirty

>
> *Ding*Ding*Ding* Yeah, when someone claims to have something like a
> build-sheet, but then "can't find it", ya gotta wonder...
>
> >Next, I zeroed in on the "W" goodies.
> >1)  Fender wells.  Oooooops, Black.  He said the original owner must have
> >changed them.  (hmmmm.  20 years ago ?)
>

>
> >2) Heads.  Yep those say "F".  But wait, thats awfully heavy paint in the
> >area of the F.   I check the casting part number and it says 403686.  Hey,
> >that's the casting number for an "E" head.  How much time did it take to
> >grind that "E" onto an "F" ?  Probably less than the four hours I spent on
> >the road to see the car.
>
> Hmmm, what did he say about *that* one?
>
> >3) Intake.  Says Olds W-455.  I say "It should say Oldsmobile W-455."  He
> >says "Really ?"
>
> Well, I'm sure you just ruined his weekend. Now he has to go scouring the
> swap meets to find an intake manifold to return his car to "original"
> condition (I'm sure it wasn't easy for him to come across that '71 W-30 unit
> in the first place...)
>
> >4) Not an "OW" transmission.
> >5) '71 3.08 rear end.
>
>

Another point for the good guys,well done Brad.
I have spent four hours on the road to see what the owner swore was a 70
W-30 convt
that he had owned since new and was all original.It had right
engine,ram-air hood,
rallye pac,emblems. It also had four wheel drum brakes,a 350 tranny,open
rear,holley carb
,and NO 44 in vin.I tried explaining this to him in the nicest way I
could
after wasting my Sunday and he said I did not know what I was talking
about. I heard he
ended up parting car out.It takes all kinds.

Frank
70 442
71 442 W-30 Convt
72 Cutlass S
90 LSC

------------------------------

From: Anti-HT movement <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:18:00 -0400
Subject: Re: turbos/RPM stress


>When I turn off my hot engine on my old '62 Jetfire, the turbo winds
>down.  The turbo & exhaust manifolds stay hot for quite a while after
>the turbo is off.  I believe that the passing of the exhaust over the
>blades of the driven exhaust turbine causes it to rotate.  The
>temperature isn't giving me the main effect.
>
>Bill Culp

You are supposed to let turbo cars idle for about a minute before you shut
the engine off...this adds life to your turbo.!

------------------------------

From: OldsDr@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:25:27 -0400
Subject: Re: 442 W-Dirty

The intakes said both "OLDS 455"  and "Oldsmobile455"  depending on when they
were produced.

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:22:32 -0400
Subject: Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?

Hi Everett,

> Yes it is possible to change to power windows, you would need to get the
> complete setup from a 68 cutlass two door ( conv or coupe). Or you can get
it > from a 69 cutlass if its the hardtop with vent windows in the fron door.
You > dont have to change the windows just the window regulators. It is not an
easy > job but is well worth the effort. My son added it to his 71 Supreme
Conv. You > would need the wire harness and all for the front doors as well as
the rear > 1/4 windows. >   Any more info needed please E-mail me at
ANTIQOLDS@AOL.COM

Thanks for responding.  Excuse my ignorance but what are window
regulators?
What kind of money am I looking at for parts and labor?  I know that
Year One
has parts for the power windows, however, I don't know what actually
needs to
be put in.

Let me know.

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:36:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Info please

Hi all,

I have a few questions on some options available to 68 442s.

1) What is a safety sentinel (U15)?

2) What is the convenience group (Y60)?

3) Did the deluxe shoulder belts come standard (AK1)?

4) Does anyone know how I could go about adding 4 way power bench
   seat adjuster (A46)?

   Where does the control switch go for this?

5) Does anyone know how I could go about adding dual head restraints
   to my bench seat (A82)?

6) Does anyone know how I could go about adding cruise control
   (K30)?

   Where does the control switch go for this?

7) I saw two types of stripes available
      GT Paint stripe (Y70)
      Rally stripe    (W36)

   What does either of these look like?

8) Does anyone know how I could go about adding a remote control outside
   mirror (D33)?  I assume this is for the right side of the car.

   Where does the control level go for this?

Any help is gratiously appreciated.

Chris Sparks
68 442

BTW.  I have scanned in a copy of the Wholesale order form for 1968
442s :-)

------------------------------

From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:50:17 -0400
Subject: Olds 425

Hey, I found a '67 Delmont 88 in the junque yarde this weekend.  The only
thing I believe is salvageable is the motor.  It's a 425, casting 398244
(didn't notice what heads were on it), looks intact, and the automatic
tranny is still there, too.  The sheet metal is all there, but is rusted
beyond repair.  The front grilles may be usable.  I didn't have a lot of
time to look it over; the yarde was about to close when I found it.  If
there's anything specific someone needs from this car, let me know.  I'll go
back there and check it out.

- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

------------------------------

From: Jonah Kadish <kadijon@charlie.cns.iit.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:04:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

I'm looking for the exterior trim for the passenger rear door and rear
quarter panle and also trim for the driverside door. I might also be in
the market for new bumpers.
Thanks,
Jonah
the drivers

On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, John Schumacher wrote:

> Jonah Kadish wrote:
> >
> > I was wondering if you can get a hold of some chrome trim for a 1964
> > dynamic 88.
> >                 Thanks,
> >                         Jonah
>
>
> I have a lot of 64 D88 parts/trim/motor/ect.  What are you looking
> for???
>
> John Schumacher
> NTOCª254
> OCAª021151
> 64 D88
> 69 442
> 74 Supreme
>
>
> You have not changed your default password.  Please login to
http://netaddress.usa.net/ to start using NetAddress >

------------------------------

From: OldsHeidi@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:07:22 -0400
Subject: 100th Ann. Info & more

Hello Everyone,

I know it has been sometime since I last posted but I am still on the digest.
 My team of 4 downsized to a team of 2 so things here have been a bit
overwhelming keeping up with email and digest :-)   So if any of you have any
questions for me please post to the list and send me a copy it will get read
quicker (I'm a little behind in my digest reading *blush, shuffle*)
I have registration forms for the centennial celebration along with a time
line of events and  happenings.
For those who have recently joined the Olds list I also still have plenty of
the Oldsmobile Enthusiast booklets that I would be happy to send out.  This
book offers sources for hard to find parts and restration services.  It's
free for a name and mailing address.  When you email me please put "Olds
Enthusiast" in the subject line.

Well, that's it for now.  Please don't hestitate to let me know if you have a
question or a concern and again I apologize if I have missed any messages.

Sincerely,
Heidi Magyar
Oldsmobile Division
Oldsheidi@aol.com

------------------------------

From: John Schumacher <jd.schumacher@baylordallas.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:59:29 -0400
Subject: Re: 64 Vista Cruiser

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
>
> At 01:59 PM 3/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >Since a short period I am the proud owner of a '64 Vista Cruiser. Except
> >for the outside mirror it is really completally original. It has a
> >perfect original interior, but needs a new paint. That's my first
> >question. The interior is brown, the paint is white. It's not the
> >original paint but it looks like the original color. I want to restore
> >it as original so I want to know the original color.
> >I have the original Owner Protection Plan booklet with protect-o-plate,
> >it has several codes on it:
> >
> >   T152360G             824m232829
> >   64H-274              LA-3372
> >   3265-RRA-398         V
> >
> >I know 824m232829 represents the engine, and I've learned it the 330
> >high-compression 4 bbl optional engine.
>
> Jim,
>
> The 824M232829 is the Vehicle Identification Number, but it only tells you
> so much.  In this case,
> the 8 means simply that your car has an 8-cylinder engine.  The 2 refers to
> the Cutlass F-85 series, the 4 refers to the 1964 model year, the M refers
> to the manufacturing plant location (in this case, Lansing, Michigan), and
> the 232829 is the sequential production number at that plant beginning with
> 001005.  I don't know if the body color information is on the
> protect-o-plate.  It IS on the body information plate, which is another
> little plate full of numbers located on the car.  I believe that it's
> located under the cowl somewhere on the driver's side.  It's about the size
> of a credit card.  If you can find that plate and tell me what all of the
> numbers are, I should be able to tell you what color your car was, as well
> as the interior color(s), when it left the factory.
>
> Dan
>
> **************************************
> Daniel A. Gulino
> gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
> http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
> 1975 Delta 88 Convertible
> **************************************

Would this info be in the door jam???

------------------------------

From: John Schumacher <jd.schumacher@baylordallas.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:06:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

Jonah Kadish wrote:
>
> I'm looking for the exterior trim for the passenger rear door and rear
> quarter panle and also trim for the driverside door. I might also be in
> the market for new bumpers.
>                                 Thanks,
>                                         Jonah
> the drivers
>
> On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, John Schumacher wrote:
>
> > Jonah Kadish wrote:
> > >
> > > I was wondering if you can get a hold of some chrome trim for a 1964
> > > dynamic 88.
> > >                 Thanks,
> > >                         Jonah
> >
> >
> > I have a lot of 64 D88 parts/trim/motor/ect.  What are you looking
> > for???
> >
> > John Schumacher
> > NTOCª254
> > OCAª021151
> > 64 D88
> > 69 442
> > 74 Supreme
> >
> >
> > You have not changed your default password.  Please login to
http://netaddress.usa.net/ to start using NetAddress > >


I'm confused again...What are "headlight doors" for a 69 442?

John Schumacher

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:29:38 -0400
Subject: Re: turbos/RPM stress

    Well, here i am again.
                                      The reason why you are supposed to let
a turbocharged engine cool off before you shuft it down is to prevent the oil
in the bearings of the turbine from coking up with carbon.  Many turbocharged
cars are equipped with an after run switch that allows the car to idle for a
varied amount of time to let the oil run through the turbine bearings and
cool them off, it also give the turbine assembly time to get rid of excess
heat that it has soaked up from the exhaust.

   FYI --- there are four different kinds of  superchargers --- exhaust
driven turbochargers wich have an exhaust driven turbine, and belt driven
turbines such as a Paxton, or Vortech.  Then you have the axial superchargers
such as the Latham with has multiple stage compressors like a jet engine, and
finally there is the positive displacement superchargers like the GMC unit
and the B&M super charger.

  An extremely abbreviated history of the GMC supercharger ---  The first
designs were used to ventilate mine shafts during the 19th century, and the
GMC superchargers that we are all familiar with today were first used on six
cylinder detroit two cycle diesle engines to scavenge exhaust gases.

  there are also the new whipple chargers that one may see on alcohol funny
cars and dragsters, but i don't know enough about those to say what kind of
super charger they are exept that they are roots driven/style

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:09:24 -0400
Subject: ADMIN: C'mom Folks! :(

Please, gang... give us all a break and remember:

- - Trim those follow-ups! No need to quote 2 or 3 screens worth of stuff
for a one-liner.

- - Take private transactions to private email. If you've found some parts
you need here, great! But we don't want to see the gory details of the
entire transaction.

- - An epidemic of people asking to be taken off the list the last few days
prompts me to again post the following guidelines:

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directly. All membership requests are to be sent to majordomo and not the
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Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:14:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

>I'm confused again...What are "headlight doors" for a 69 442?
>
>John Schumacher


John

        Headlight Doors sre the plastic bezels around the lights that are
black and silver. The parts books call them doors not bezels, so I use the
name the parts books give me. Thanks.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:15:30 -0400
Subject: 'nother Olds

Oooh, I forgot, I also found a 1949 88 in the same junkyard as that 1967
Delmont 88.  I didn't have time to check it over, though.

If someone here needs something from it, let me know, and I'll check it out!

- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: larry polesnak <bullets@sgi.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:26:18 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Ann. Info & more

OldsHeidi@aol.com wrote:
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> I know it has been sometime since I last posted but I am still on the
digest. >  My team of 4 downsized to a team of 2 so things here have been a
bit > overwhelming keeping up with email and digest :-)   So if any of you
have any > questions for me please post to the list and send me a copy it will
get read > quicker (I'm a little behind in my digest reading *blush, shuffle*) 
>
I have registration forms for the centennial celebration along with a time >
line of events and  happenings. > For those who have recently joined the Olds
list I also still have plenty of > the Oldsmobile Enthusiast booklets that I
would be happy to send out.  This > book offers sources for hard to find parts
and restration services.  It's > free for a name and mailing address.  When
you email me please put "Olds > Enthusiast" in the subject line. > > Well,
that's it for now.  Please don't hestitate to let me know if you have a >
question or a concern and again I apologize if I have missed any messages. > >
Sincerely, > Heidi Magyar > Oldsmobile Division > Oldsheidi@aol.com HI
HEIDI,my name is LARRY POLESNAK and i have a 1962 starfire.Any info that you
have to help me would be greatly appreciated.I would like that "OLDS
ENTHUSIAST" book.I am also looking for tires and some type of chrome wheels
for my starfire.THANK YOU LARRY POLESNAK
                                        P.O.BOX 101035
                                        PGH.,PA.15237
 bullets@sgi.net

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From: "Craig J. Smith" <craigs@dancris.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:09:21 -0400
Subject: Wiper adjustment

Hello all,

My windshield wipers are resting about 3 inches high on the windshield
when in the "park" position.  I believe they should be on the cowl and
out-of-site.  Any advice on how to adjust these?

Thanks

Craig Smith
68 442

------------------------------

From: "Brian Lorway" <blorway@rust.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:01:10 -0400
Subject: Re: 442 W-Dirty

Brad Otto wrote...

<Intake.  Says Olds W-455.  I say "It should say Oldsmobile W-455."  He
says "Really ?">

It may have been a 70' intake... My 70' says Olds W-455 but the casting
number is 406115. Interesting huh?

Brian

1970 4-4-2 W-30

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:14:59 -0400
Subject: Whipple Chargers...was Re: turbos/RPM stress

>   there are also the new whipple chargers that one may see on alcohol funny
> cars and dragsters, but i don't know enough about those to say what kind of
> super charger they are exept that they are roots driven/style


There are a couple whipple chargers available in the aftermarket.
I know Kenne-Bell makes one (seen one mounted on a 5 liter Ford product).
They are not actually the same as a roots
type supercharger, although they look similar (both mount on top of the
intake, and both are belt driven).  I'm not extremly familiar with them,
but from what I understand they use two screw-like shafts mounted in the
housing to compress the incoming charge front to rear, not top to bottom
like a 6-71 type blower (I'm running from memory here, so someone please
correct me if I'm wrong).

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: Lance Mackey <lamackey@sns-access.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:42:22 -0400
Subject: Re: 442 W-Dirty

At 04:35 PM 3/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>> *Ding*Ding*Ding* Yeah, when someone claims to have something like a
>> build-sheet, but then "can't find it", ya gotta wonder...
>>
>> >Next, I zeroed in on the "W" goodies.
>> >1)  Fender wells.  Oooooops, Black.  He said the original owner must have
>> >changed them.  (hmmmm.  20 years ago ?)
>>
>> >2) Heads.  Yep those say "F".  But wait, thats awfully heavy paint in the
>> >area of the F.   I check the casting part number and it says 403686.  Hey,
>> >that's the casting number for an "E" head.  How much time did it take to
>> >grind that "E" onto an "F" ?  Probably less than the four hours I spent on
>> >the road to see the car.
>>
>> Hmmm, what did he say about *that* one?
>>
>> >3) Intake.  Says Olds W-455.  I say "It should say Oldsmobile W-455."  He
>> >says "Really ?"
>>
>> Well, I'm sure you just ruined his weekend. Now he has to go scouring the
>> swap meets to find an intake manifold to return his car to "original"
>> condition (I'm sure it wasn't easy for him to come across that '71 W-30
unit
>> in the first place...)
>>
>> >4) Not an "OW" transmission.
>> >5) '71 3.08 rear end.
>>
>Another point for the good guys,well done Brad.
>I have spent four hours on the road to see what the owner swore was a 70
>W-30 convt
>that he had owned since new and was all original.It had right
>engine,ram-air hood,
>rallye pac,emblems. It also had four wheel drum brakes,a 350 tranny,open
>rear,holley carb
>,and NO 44 in vin.I tried explaining this to him in the nicest way I
>could
>after wasting my Sunday and he said I did not know what I was talking
>about. I heard he
>ended up parting car out.It takes all kinds.
>
>Frank

What I've done in the past when I've come across such a blatant fraud is to
write down the VIN number, and then notify the seller that I'm going to run
the VIN through DMV every 6 months or so, and if I find out it has been
sold I will contact the new owner,  and notify them that I had previously
told the seller that the car was a fake. If someone sells a vehicle
fraudulently, then under federal law they are liable for twice the
difference in value to the new owner, plus they face a prison sentence.

So far on the two vehicles that I have done this, one owner changed the car
back before selling, and the other parted his out. If there is one thing I
hate it is people who try to sell fakes to unsuspecting people. It only
causes headaches to those of us who happen to own real versions of these cars.


Happy Cruzin'

Lance Mackey
lamackey@3rdplanet.com
http://www.3rdplanet.com/~lamackey/hurst_hp.html ('68 Hurst/Olds website)

'67 Supreme post UHC 330
'68 Hurst/Olds (original family)
'59 Chevy Viking
'63 Nova 400
'69 Camaro SS396
'70 Camaro 350/300hp
'86 Camaro 502 (original owner)

------------------------------

From: NRJ1960@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:58:55 -0400
Subject: floor pans

 Looking for rear floor pans for 1972 Detlta 88 Royale Conv.
Havn't been able to locate anywhere. Any suggestions?


Neil

------------------------------

From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:23:01 -0400
Subject: Re: 64 Vista Cruiser

At 05:59 PM 3/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>It IS on the body information plate, which is another
>> little plate full of numbers located on the car.  I believe that it's
>> located under the cowl somewhere on the driver's side.  It's about the size
>> of a credit card.  If you can find that plate and tell me what all of the
>> numbers are, I should be able to tell you what color your car was, as well
>> as the interior color(s), when it left the factory.
>>
>> Dan

>Would this info be in the door jam???

No.  On F-85 body styles, it is under the hood, on the cowl, on the
driver's side.  The number on the door jamb is the VIN, which is the same
number that is on your Protect-o-Plate.  The plate I'm looking for is, as I
mentioned, about the size and shape of credit card, and it will look like:


OLDSMOBILE DIV GENERAL MOTORS CORP
     LANSING MICHIGAN

STYLE 00-0000   BODY 0000
TRIM 0          PAINT 00
ACC 00
   This car finished with
   Miralite Acrylic Lacquer
   Body by Fisher


Good luck!


Dan



************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:23:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Fusick

Here's the deal on Fusick and credit cards.

I have a sample of all three of the catalogs that Fusick puts out.  The one
I use is the one for big cars.  I have ª10BC (I think they're on 11BC now),
and on the inside front cover of the catalog, under item ª8, CREDIT CARD
REQUESTS, it says the following:

"We now accept Visa and MasterCard as payment.  Please fill in the proper
section of the order blank to process your order.  Improper information or
orders received without signature will be returned for completion or
necessary corrections.  NO credit card orders by telephone."

The capitalized "NO" is theirs, not mine.


It says the same thing in the Cutlass/442 catalog I have, under item ª8
(ª23C, again, perhaps not the latest one available), and it says the same
thing under item ª8 in the older cars catalog (ª340).


Dan




************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:50:19 -0400
Subject: Re: 442 W-Dirty

> Well, I'm sure you just ruined his weekend. Now he has to go scouring the
> swap meets to find an intake manifold to return his car to "original"
> condition (I'm sure it wasn't easy for him to come across that '71 W-30 unit
> in the first place...)

I've got a '71 W-30 intake and I need a '70 to make my W-30 correct.
Also, have you ever seen a set of E heads that have had the E ground to
an F and had the casting number J-B welded to 404438?

Danny

------------------------------

From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:58:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Idle question

Jim,

Hey, you might want to check your engine's Throttle Position Sensor (TPS).
I have a similar problem with my HO Quad4 in my '90 Calais, but I haven't
actually confirmed that it is the TPS.  I found out about the TPS problem
in the Haynes Repair Manual for N-body cars.  I think your Achieva is also
an N-body so you might check it out.
I'll read the procedure and let you know what's involved in the diagnosis.

If anybody else has any input I'm sure we'd both apprecitate it!

Good luck, Jim!


                    Jim Townsend

                    '90 Calais

On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, James Pindar wrote:

> Greetings
>
> I have a 1992 Achieva SCX with a W41 Quad Four and 5 speed. It races in
> neutral whenever it rolls. Also races between shifts. The normal idle is
> at about 1200 RPM. Dealers and the manufacturer have been no help. Does
> anyone have any ideas? New computer? IAC? Stick of dynamite?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jim
>
>

------------------------------

From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:05:00 -0400
Subject: Re: 2bbl <=> 4bbl heads?

Clayton Pierce wrote:
>
> Question for y'all.
>
> The motor in my '84 Cutlass is a '74 model 350 4bbl, therefore, "8" heads.
> I've found a set of "7a" heads on an older 350 in a junk yard that could
> be bought cheap.  The one in the 'yard is a 2bbl. motor, while mine is a
> 4bbl. motor.  I wouldn't think that it would matter, but though I'd better
> ask to be sure.  Are there any differences between the heads on a 4bbl
> motor as compared with a 2bbl. motor?  Would it be a good suggestion to
> put these headson my motor?  What sort of power gain should I expect.
>

The heads you found are from a 71-72 engine. They were the same on all
350s and have hardend valve seats. As for power gains, you would have to
measure your original valves and the new ones to see if they are bigger.
They might be the same. I don't have cumbustion chamber volumes for the
two so I can't say you would be increasing compression. BTW what are
your reasons for changing heads?

Danny

------------------------------

From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:03:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Idle question

Concerning the computer diagnosis codes, many of those are found in the
Haynes Repair Manual.  The Manual also shows one how to get the computer
to flash the diagnosis codes.

             Jim Townsend

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:07:29 -0400
Subject: Re: REAR BUMPER TO 66 OLDS 98 CONVERTIBLE WANTED

Rennie
 Just to let you know I will keep an eye out for you on that 66 bumper, I
deal in Olds part but have one right now but am always rumming into thins

Everett Horton

antiqolds@aol.com

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From: katana72@juno.com (Robert F Turner)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:08:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds 3X2

On Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:11:45 -0400 joshstrub@csgnyc1.attmail.com
(joshstrub) writes:
>I just saw an add for an Oldsmobile 3X2 intake stamped 571145 for
>$100.  The
>lady had know idea if this was J2 or the '66 L-69. If anyone knows
>what year
>this is for or is interested let me know.
>
>Josh
>
Josh, I might be interested if it can be determined what engine this goes
on.  Let me know if you find out.

Rob Turner

------------------------------

From: katana72@juno.com (Robert F Turner)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:08:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Idle question

On Mon, 3 Mar 1997 00:35:27 -0400 James & Joanne Chermack
<chermac@exis.net> writes:
If this is the only thing in the RAM of the computer it's telling you it
sees nothing wrong.
>Jim Chermack
>70 Cutlass SX W-32
>72 442
 Geez Jim, RAM in a car computer?? Can I get it upgraded to maybe 16
meg??? The last I knew the computer for a car had an EPROM or ROM (Read
Only Memory). Darned Surface Sailors can't get anything right!!! <G>

Rob Turner
Katana72                   IT's NOT your Daddy's Oldsmobile!!!!
Hastings, MN

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From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:24:52 -0400
Subject: Free Cars....

Has anyone noticed the recent trend in the classifieds of the JWO of
giving cars away for free?

March issue (1997), page ª21, 2nd from the bottom right was a FREE 1964
Starfire hardtop with 75,000 miles. The price is right, I says!

January issue (1997), page ª28, 4th down from the upper right column was
a FREE 1956 Delta 88. One ONLY had to submit in writing why the car
should be given to them....

Anybody on the list get these cars? Tell us more!

BTW, Long live this trend!


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
Teleflex E-Mail: TFX!TFXTROYMI!TFXTROYPO!mikeh@tfx.attmail.com
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

------------------------------

From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:26:38 -0400
Subject: RE:'86 442   TPS

Cecil,

Thanx for the input!


           Jim Townsend

           '90 Calais W-40

------------------------------

From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:47:47 -0400
Subject: Re: 1961 & 1957 manuals

Hi Ira
  I am very interested in buying those parts manuals, What kind of money are
we talking including freight  Please advise and I may send you a check ASAP


Everett Horton

ANTIQOLDS@AOL.COM

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:00:16 -0400
Subject: Re: 64 Vista Cruiser

Hi Jim
  I have amount of parts for a 64 Vista Cruiser. I am in the process of a
large inventory list for all Oldsmobiles. I will send you a list when it is
completed

Everett Horton


E & G Automotive
P.O. Box 16095
Rumford. R.I. 02916

1-401-435-7139

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:10:25 -0400
Subject: 455 What?(meaningless midadventure)

Answered an ad in the paper this afternoon for someone selling an oldsmobile
455 4bbl. The guy said he bought it to put into his `74 cutlass but he
didn't have the time to do it so he was selling the engine and the cutlass.
He wanted $350 for the engine and transmission.  Armed with a printout of
the Big Block ID section of the FAQ I drove 40 miles to have a look see.

I got to the guy's trailer, saw a black `74 cutlass sitting next to a
bulldozer that had a tarp covering a big lump at the front of the blade.
The guy pulled the tarp back and there was a huge completely red engine.
The first thing I noticed was a distributor sticking up from the water pump.
The next words out of my mouth were "That's a buick."   To which he replied
"Really? You think so?"  I told him that there was never an olds 455 made
that didn't have a distributor in the back of the engine block, so it was no
olds.  I then noticed the air cleaner and sure enough, right there on the
sticker were three little shields in a circle next to the numbers 455-4.
Upon my showing him that he said "Yup, I think buicks do use that symbol.
Will it even fit an olds?"  I told him It would but it'd take some work and
I wasn't sure what had to be changed, and I couldn't use my air conditioner
with it(it was missing the brackets). He then asked me if the trans it was
bolted to was a 400.  It was.  The oil and transmission fluid both looked
and smelled fine, and he would let me start it there if I wanted to bring a
battery and a little gas.

The story behind the engine was shady (the guy before him had the engine in
a ch*velle, but took it out because the car was too nose heavy (?) it had
89,000 miles when he got it......) and it was difficult to really tell
anything about the engine until it was torn down since it was out of the
car, so I passed.

 I just couldn't believe this guy was so ignorant....and to talk to him I'm
actually inclined to think he's dumb enough to buy an engine and not even
know what the hell it is.  He's probably waiting for his magic beans to
sprout this spring too. I doubt he was playing dumb, what would he gain by
passing a buick off as an Oldsmobile anyway?

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:03:31 -0400
Subject: Re: 2bbl <=> 4bbl heads?

At 01:05 PM 3/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
>The motor in my '84 Cutlass is a '74 model 350 4bbl, therefore, "8" heads.
>I've found a set of "7a" heads on an older 350 in a junk yard that could
>be bought cheap.  The one in the 'yard is a 2bbl. motor, while mine is a
>4bbl. motor.  I wouldn't think that it would matter, but though I'd better
>ask to be sure.  Are there any differences between the heads on a 4bbl
>motor as compared with a 2bbl. motor?  Would it be a good suggestion to
>put these headson my motor?  What sort of power gain should I expect.

Those heads should raise your compression (by about a point), and you'll
also have the hardened exhaust seats. Plus they should flow better in stock
form than the "8" heads.

You might see 20-40hp, depending on the cam you have. Of course, the more
you modified your motor, the more a set of "7a" heads would show a hp
advantage of the "8"'s.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:03:41 -0400
Subject: FS: '70 98 and '73 Cutlass "S" in RI (not mine)

Saw these two ads in the classified today, and thought I'd share them since
it is rare that anything of interest comes up in our paper, never mind two
pre-'80 Oldses on the same day!

Of course, neither are mine, so don't contact me. The ads are verbatim (yes,
they claim to have a "Delta 98"), and I assume the cars are located in the
area of Providence, Rhode Island.
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* Oldsmobile: 1970 Delta 98 (sic), runs/drives good! Excellent. 455 engine,
$600/best offer (401) 885-5706

* OLDSMOBILE: 1973 Cutlass S. 350 rocket engine. Inspected. Runs great.
$800/best. (401) 941-9298

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Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:07:48 -0400
Subject: Bumper Sticker

Saw a bumper sticker on a Ranchero the other day that we could easily adopt
to Oldsmobiles near and far - it said "This is NOT an El Camino!"  Boy, can
we guess how many "this is NOT a Chevelle" ones we could sell?


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:09:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Info please

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have a few questions on some options available to 68 442s.
>
> 1) What is a safety sentinel (U15)?

***I believe that this is the indicator dial that can be set on the
speedometer at a certain speed.  When that setting is met a buzzer goes
off.
>
> 2) What is the convenience group (Y60)?

***I believe that this is courtesy lights, glove box light, trunk light,
underhood light, & visor mirrors.
>
> 3) Did the deluxe shoulder belts come standard (AK1)?

***I don't believe that any deluxe belts came standard.  The black ones
are standard although not in a convertible.

>
> 4) Does anyone know how I could go about adding 4 way power bench
>    seat adjuster (A46)?

***Just change the tracks to the power units complete w/motor, switch, &
wiring.  I took one of these out of a '68 Buick that I still have up in
the barn.  The seat doesn't have to be changed at all.
>
>    Where does the control switch go for this?

***It is mounted on the driver's side of the seat.
>
> 5) Does anyone know how I could go about adding dual head restraints
>    to my bench seat (A82)?

***I would get an old seat from a 1969 & convert mine.  It requires the
metal bracing & mounting parts welded onto the frame of your back rests.
>
> 6) Does anyone know how I could go about adding cruise control
>    (K30)?

***That again is a rather simple job if you have all of the parts.  Some
of the parts must be from an Oldsmobile such as the engine brackets &
turn signal control handle.  The rest is standard GM of that era.
>
>    Where does the control switch go for this?
>
> 7) I saw two types of stripes available
>       GT Paint stripe (Y70)

***I believe that this is the upper fender stripe that goes from front
to rear just below the chrome on the fender peak.

>       Rally stripe    (W36)

***I believe that these are the vertical stripes that go in front of the
doors & over the "442" emblems.
>
>    What does either of these look like?
>
> 8) Does anyone know how I could go about adding a remote control outside
>    mirror (D33)?  I assume this is for the right side of the car.

**The only remote outside mirror is the driver's side one.
>
>    Where does the control level go for this?

***It goes on the door panel up above the vent window crank.
>
> Any help is gratiously appreciated.
>
> Chris Sparks
> 68 442
>
> BTW.  I have scanned in a copy of the Wholesale order form for 1968
> 442s :-)

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:31:34 -0400
Subject: T-3 Inquiry

It was mentioned not long ago that the T-3 headlamps were being reproduced.
 I have 4 originals on my '67, and now one has a rock hole smack in the
middle of it and another is starting to fade (its a wicked dull orange glow
color right now).  I'd like to stick with the T3's on this car.  I remember
they were rather costly.  Where are they available again?

Thanks in advance -

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: KellyesMom@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:38:49 -0400
Subject: please stop the e-mail

Please discontinue the e-mail. It is overwhelming!
Take me off the list.
Thank you

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:39:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Info please

In a message dated 97-03-03 16:46:36 EST, you write:

> 1) What is a safety sentinel (U15)?

Safety Sentinel is a yellow needle on the speedometer in addition to the
regular orange speedometer needle.  You can set the yellow needle at a
desired speed, and when your regular needle meets it, it sets off this
nuclear warning sounding buzzer to let you know that you are at the speed you
want to be.  Sort of a poor man's Cruise Control.  There may be a yellow
light that lights at the same time, but not sure on that.  I had this on my
'68 Delta Custom but can't remember about the light.

>  2) What is the convenience group (Y60)?

Commonly referred to as the Lamp and Mirror Group, it included an underhood
light, a trunk light, glove compartment light, ashtray light (std. some
models) and a passenger visor vanity mirror.  A bargain at $9.06.

>  3) Did the deluxe shoulder belts come standard (AK1)?

No.  Here we go again with this deluxe seat belt thing.  I understand seat
belts to be this:

Standard seat belts had black webbing regardless of interior color, buckles
are black also, but some have claimed them to be color keyed to the interior.

Deluxe belts were optional on most models and came with webbing color keyed
to the interior of the car.  Black webbing was used in black or white
interiors.  Buckles would have a chrome or brushed chrome appearance.  These
belts were optional in all but the higher priced cars, in which they were
standard.

I believe AK1 is the option code for deluxe front and rear belts and deluxe
from lap belts.  Actually, I have option code W39 for this.  AK1 might be the
code when shoulder belts had to be ordered seperately, before they were
standard equipment (9/67).  Both non-deluxe and deluxe rear shoulder belts
were available also.

>  4) Does anyone know how I could go about adding 4 way power bench
>     seat adjuster (A46)?

Try finding one in a salvage yard.  Something out of another ABody would
work.  I seem to remember reading that the standard seat tracks are attached
to the floor with bolts, where the power seat tracks are attached with nuts
to studs that are part of the floorboard.  Better check this out.  I also
remember reading something about an adapter plate used for this purpose.  I
did this to a '61 Ninety Eight and it was a direct bolt-in job, no problem.

>     Where does the control switch go for this?

Would go on the drivers side panel of the seat, attaches by screws.  You
would have to make an incision in the upholstery, but with the outer bezel
attached to the inner frame, you would not see the incision.

>  5) Does anyone know how I could go about adding dual head restraints
>     to my bench seat (A82)?

That's a project, as these are rare options.  I've thought about doing this
to my '67 Ninety Eight, but they aren't to be found.  I did find a set, in
the color that I need.  I couldn't believe it.  They were in a plain Jane
Ninety Eight Town Sedan at a car show, and the car was for sale.  But $2500
for headrests doesn't make sense.  Keep looking for headrests and find a good
upholsterer to the work for you.

>  6) Does anyone know how I could go about adding cruise control (K30)?

I did this on my '72 Cutlass (can you tell yet that I'm an option freak,
too?).  Bought a complete setup thru Hemmimgs.  Works good.  You may need to
do some cutting to run the wires and mount the switch, and the turn signal
lever will have to be replaced with a Cruiser unit, which means pulling the
steering wheel.  Everything else is bolt-in.

>     Where does the control switch go for this?

Looks like there is one switch on the Cutlasses, the button on the end of the
turn signal stalk.  Get to the speed you want to be at and hold the button
all the way in and it'll set the Cruise.  There's also an acceleration
feature.  While driving, if you hold button halfway in, the car will
accelerate to approx. 50 mph and hold in Cruise.

>  7) I saw two types of stripes available
>        GT Paint stripe (Y70)
>        Rally stripe    (W36)
>
>     What does either of these look like?

The GT Stripe was standard and ran along the body sides and across the trunk
lid.  The Rally Stripe is the triple vertical stripe that was optional for
the front fenders.  The were not available together.  Rally was only
available on the 442 and was standard on the W-30.  GT was standard on the
442 and optional on other ABodies.

>  8) Does anyone know how I could go about adding a remote control outside
>     mirror (D33)?  I assume this is for the right side of the car.

No, that would be for the left.  If mounts directly where your current mirror
is mounted.  There should already be a hole for the cable under your current
mirror.  There should also be a clip already inside the door to run the cable
all the way to the front of the door and back to the control so that you can
roll the window up without catching the cable.

>     Where does the control level go for this?

Your interior door panel should already be marked on the back for
installation of the control.

Looks like you're gonna be a busy man!

Paul

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