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oldsmobile-digest        Wednesday, 5 February 1997     Volume 01 : Number 501


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From: HippieJ@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:20:57 -0400
Subject: Olds 307 hop up help

I just bought a 84 Cutlass with the 307 in it. What are my options as far as
hopping it up? I really want to keep it emissions legal, which is probably
going to be my biggest handicap towards performance. Any ideas are greatly
appreciated.
Thanks,
John
79 Cutlass Supreme 260 V-8
84 Cutlass Supreme 307 V-8

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From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:30:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

Dan,

The section heights are in millimeters; the diameters are in inches.

The question I brought up was how large of a tire will fit onto a 6" wide
wheel.  As Chris Sparks points out, a 6" wheel can hold a 245 mm tire.
This is good to know.  Thanks Chris!

This chart doesn't really give any input to that question but is
really useful for determining tire heights when looking into different
wheel/tire combinations.  This looks like FAQ material to me!
- --
Drew


> I believe this chart is accurate. section height and diameter are in
> inches. Any comments???
>
> size: P145/50-R13       section height: 72.500000, diameter: 18.708662
> size: P145/50-R14       section height: 72.500000, diameter: 19.708662
> size: P145/50-R15       section height: 72.500000, diameter: 20.708662
> size: P145/50-R16       section height: 72.500000, diameter: 21.708662
> size: P145/50-R17       section height: 72.500000, diameter: 22.708662
[300+ tire sizes snipped]

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From: Junior627@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:43:24 -0400
Subject: fresh air intake...

i was wondering even though it was not equipped with one i wanted to put a
fresh air intake hose on the end of the snorkel on my air cleaner...will this
cause any trouble...also have a question about cherrybomb glass packs...do
these wear out fast or are they better than i have heard...

- ------------------------
Nicolo A. Michelli Jr.
junior627@aol.com
1985 Delta 88
V6 231 3.8L Rwd.
- ------------------------

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:35:04 -0400
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass Salvage yark parts (Re: Salvage Yard Dash Pad)

I thought that '72 was the first year for the smogged motor!  Did the
motors still have the good heads on them?  If so, I'm gonna snap those up
myself for my '84 w/350!

Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Robert Barry wrote:

> At 01:04 PM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >I know where there is a 1972 Cutlass...the motor is a 350...
> >buy anthing off of it pretty cheaply...
>
> That motor will have the good "7a" small-block heads; if it were local, I'd
> snap those up myself.
>
> >the hood on it has a set of little louvers a couple of inches wide running
> >up on it a bit on either side.  Is this the "louvered hood" I've heard
>
> That is the Cutlass "S" hood. Non-functional, but pretty neat louvers. I
> have one of these in blue; too bad my '70 can't use it :(
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>
>

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From: jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:43:00 -0400
Subject: 350 rebuild

I am about to dive into my winter project of rebuilding the 350 on my '69.
 I am also replacing nearly the entire suspension.  Has anyone recently done
this?  I am all ears for plan of attack, and tips for what to do and what
not to do.  They say hind sight is 20/20, and if someone has already done
this, I would like to hear of their experience.  I just video taped the
suspension while it is completely intact, for reference later after it is
completely apart.  I do have the Service Manual, and that should provide
some assistance, but I would love to hear from anyone who has done this, and
that is well acquainted with the 350 engine.  I would like to squeeze every
last horse out of it, and I plan on obtaining quite a few performance parts.

"There is a special feel in an Oldsmobile"

Jeff Zeilmann
SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

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From: Doug Ahern <doug@cobra.cosmic.uga.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:52:57 -0400
Subject: Re: leaky 2 speed

no, the detent cable does exactly as I stated.  It helps control shift
points and shift firmness based on throttle position.  It also adds the
3rd-2nd downshift.  Even if you shift manually through the gears, the detent
cable adds firmness to the shifts.  My experience is with a stock 70 Olds t
th350, when the detent cable wasn't hooked up, shifts were softer, and 1-2
came at about 4800, and I never had a passing gear kickdown.  When I add the
detent, I got firmer shifts, 1-2 at 5500rpm, and an automatic passing gear.

a shift improver kit may change the characteristics of the shifts and
shift points to the extent that the detnent cable doesn't seem to do
much, but on a stock tranny it is significant.

Doug

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:21:43 -0400
Subject: Re: 350 rebuild

At 04:43 PM 2/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I am about to dive into my winter project of rebuilding the 350 on my '69.
> I am also replacing nearly the entire suspension.  Has anyone recently done
>this?  I am all ears for plan of attack, and tips for what to do and what
>not to do.  They say hind sight is 20/20, and if someone has already done
>this, I would like to hear of their experience.  I just video taped the
>suspension while it is completely intact, for reference later after it is
>completely apart.  I do have the Service Manual, and that should provide
>some assistance, but I would love to hear from anyone who has done this, and
>that is well acquainted with the 350 engine.  I would like to squeeze every
>last horse out of it, and I plan on obtaining quite a few performance parts.
>
>"There is a special feel in an Oldsmobile"
>
>Jeff Zeilmann
>SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
>'68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible


Hi Jeff,

        There are a few different build-ups you can perform on your 350.
Just a couple of ideas. First Edelbrock has made a Performer RPM for the 350
and associated cam which with a performance carb yielded 397HP out of a 350
Olds. Now that is quite impressive. I don't know how streetable this combo
would be without a 3.42 or lower gear. I don't think it would work well with
a highway gear. Another set-up I saw a friend of mine run was a diesel 350
with big block heads W-350 manifiold, Q-jet and a very nasty cam (I don't
have the exact cam specs) an automatic and a 4.66:1 rear and this car runs
high 12 second 1/4 miles on DOT legal tires and will turn about 7400 rpm.
It sounds unbelievable.
        Now the front end. This is not as difficult as one would seem to
think. I would recommend that if your not worried about show pount put the
Poly bushings in it. It makes all the world in difference. While you have
the front end tore down and the engine out for a rebuild this is the BEST
time to detail and clean up anything in the engine compartment you want and
the front frame assem. Use your Service manual for the sequence of events to
remove and install both the front end and the engine. Hope this helps you .

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
Virginia Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869  >

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From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:13:00 -0400
Subject: Gremlins

     Can anybody help me with this ?? I have an 86 Cutlass Supreme. I've
been squeezing all the lemon out of this car recently: Rebuilt 307, Rebuilt
Turbo 350 (was a TH200 !), etc. There is still some lemon left, however. The
"Fasten Seat Belts" light will sometimes come on when driving down the road.
It usually goes out after a few seconds. It's enough to drive you batty !!!
It happens with or without a passenger.
     Also, I am in the market for a Factory Service Manual for the 1986
Oldsmobile. Email me privately if you have one to sell.

John Pajak              DR OLDS
Lexington Park, MD
Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL

65 Delta 88
66 Toronado Deluxe
69 Cutlass S
70 Cutlass S  (3)
70 Cutlass S W31
70 442 W30 Convert
71 Cutlass Supreme 2D HT
72 Delta 88 Convert
72 442 W30 Convert
72 442 Convert
72 Cutlass Supreme Convert
72 Cutlass S
72 Cutlass
86 Cutlass Supreme
68 Fairlane 500 Station Wagon   (For Sale !!)
75 F-100
82 Suburban

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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:35:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

>Dan,
>
>The section heights are in millimeters; the diameters are in inches.
>
>The question I brought up was how large of a tire will fit onto a 6" wide
>wheel.  As Chris Sparks points out, a 6" wheel can hold a 245 mm tire.
>This is good to know.  Thanks Chris!
>
>This chart doesn't really give any input to that question but is
>really useful for determining tire heights when looking into different
>wheel/tire combinations.  This looks like FAQ material to me!
>--
>Drew
>
>
>> I believe this chart is accurate. section height and diameter are in
>> inches. Any comments???
>>
>> size: P145/50-R13       section height: 72.500000, diameter: 18.708662
>> size: P145/50-R14       section height: 72.500000, diameter: 19.708662
>> size: P145/50-R15       section height: 72.500000, diameter: 20.708662
>> size: P145/50-R16       section height: 72.500000, diameter: 21.708662
>> size: P145/50-R17       section height: 72.500000, diameter: 22.708662
>[300+ tire sizes snipped]

Sorry for the 300+ entries... I wanted some feedback on accuracy, so I
published EVERYTHING. Forgot about the MM tho... Should probably change to
inches as well.

This is a 25 line C program. I should have posted that instead.

For 38 lines of code, you get to pick the size to spit out and all tire
sizes within X inches of the input size!

I am looking at putting something like P225/70-R14 or P235/70-R14 on my
'65 98. Anybody put some fat tires on one of these beasts???


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:28:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Rubber boots/covers for ball joints

<<File Attachment: 00000000.TXT>>
Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil wrote:

> *********Energy Suspension sells polyurethane boot for ball joints !!
Under
> $8 for a set of 4. I got mine from Jeg's mail order.

"John,
Who are these guys? I never heard of them.  Do you have a catalog handy to
see if they
are available for 66-67 Toros?
Otherwise, could you get the address/phone number for me?
Sparky"

*********Jeg's is a high performance mail order outfit (like Summit) Their
number is 1-800-345-4545. They have polyurethane (red or black) ball joint
boots for 64-88 Cutlass, early Camaro, Nova and Vette, but NO Toro listing
!! They have tie rod boots listed by diameter: 19/32" or 21/32" hole. You
might try calling anyway, or maybe try Energy Suspension directly.

P.S.: They also have poly sway bar endlink kits (listed by length) and sway
bar frame bushings (listed by diameter)

John Pajak  DR OLDS

Too many Oldses !!

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:34:43 -0400
Subject: 455 Rocket Lyrics

I picked up the new Kathy Mattea disc today.  It does have the lyrics in it.
It is printed in a scrapbook type scheme, and on the page with this song,
there's a wrinkled Olds Rocket logo taped on.  Too cool......  A Must Own CD!


         455 Rocket

Mr Smith had an Oldsmobile
Baby blue with them wire wheels
I took her home the day that she was advertised.
He said she leaked when it would rain
and sounded like an aeroplane
But I knew she was a jewel in disguise.
     She had a 455 Rocket
     The biggest block alive
     I couldn't hardly wait just to take my turn.
     She was made for the straightaways
     She grew up hating chevro*ets.
     She's a Rocket, she was made to burn.
Whose junkpile piece of Cheve*le is this?
You boys come here to race, or just kiss
Don't you want to know what I got underneath my hood?
I know she might sound like she's missing
But buddy, she could teach you a lesson.
In just a quarter mile, and I'll smoke you good
     In my 455 Rocket
     The kind the police drive
     I couldn't hardly wait just to take my turn.
     She was made for the straightaways
     She grew up hating chevro*ets.
     She's a Rocket, she was made to burn.
I'm telling you and I'm not ashamed
I cried when that wrecker came
As we skid I thought I heard the angels sing.
We hit the curve and began to sail
Took out most of the safety rail
Even the cop asked me "Man, what'd you have ~in~ that thing?"
     I had a 455 Rocket
     The very kind you drive
     You oughta watch yourself when you take that turn, 'cause
     She was made for the straightaways
     She grew up hating chevro*ets.
     She's a Rocket, she was made to burn, burn, Lord
     She's a Rocket, she was made to burn.

          Written by Gillian Welch and David Rawlings


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:42:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Dan Lacey wrote:
> I am looking at putting something like P225/70-R14 or P235/70-R14 on my
> '65 98. Anybody put some fat tires on one of these beasts???

Well, I've got 215/70-R14s on my '68 Cutlass. They are a good match in
terms of height and diameter but there are times when I think it would
look better with a 60 or 65 series, if they made them in a size that
would maintain the same diameter. I don't know if they do, though...

Would a 225/70-R14 be big enough for a 98? What was the original size,
8.55x14 or even bigger?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:43:35 -0400
Subject: Re: fresh air intake...

  Running a fresh air hose to your air cleaner will actually make a feelable
diference in the way your car runs, if you have never actually done that
before.
  I like to take the stock air cleaner housing snorkel and cut it off until
there is only about 1 or 2 inches of the snorkel left -- it allows for better
air flow -- Year One sells inlet scoops that can be bolted to bottom of your
front bumper  or you can opt to fabricate your own.
  As far as the glasspacks -- yes they do eventually burn out, but when they
are brand new they have the mellowest sound out of any other muffler on the
market -- it is also considered a traditional sound for '50's style cars.
 the closer you can mount the mufflers to the diffierential the mellower they
get, the closer to the exhaust manifolds or headers they tend to pick up a
sharper note like the mufflers you might hear on a lowrider.  Finally putting
a crossover pipe in front of the mufflers will quiet the mufflers even
further and wiil tend to give you a little bit more bottom end torque. Oh
yeah i almost forgot -- the larger the diameter of the glasspack the noisier
it will be.

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From: Joe Fauzio <galusha@postoffice.ptd.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:47:12 -0400
Subject:

>Thanks for replying to my questions about the flapper door on my 71 442.I
looked at the engine this morning and saw the two places to connect the
hoses on the sensor. There is also a place to connect a hose on the top of
the sensor and some kind of a electric receptacle on  the top. Does anyone
know what they are for? Will it hurt anything just to leave the door open?
>
Thanks

Joe

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:35:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Gremlins

>The "Fasten Seat Belts" light will sometimes come on when driving
>down the road. It usually goes out after a few seconds.

Don't worry; I think it will quickly reach a point where it never
goes out at all.  :-(  It's part of the courtesy chime package which
usually fails this way after a few years. There's a cigarette-pack
sized plastic box in the dash wiring harness which drives the reminder
chimes and warning lights which you need to hunt down and replace. If
you go to the trouble of doing this you might as well put a new one in,
since there's a good chance the junkyard one will be brain-dead when
you buy it.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 01:31:43 -0400
Subject: Re: 350 rebuild

jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com wrote:
>
> I am about to dive into my winter project of rebuilding the 350 on my '69.
>  I am also replacing nearly the entire suspension.  Has anyone recently done
> this?  I am all ears for plan of attack, and tips for what to do and what
> not to do.  They say hind sight is 20/20, and if someone has already done
> this, I would like to hear of their experience.  I just video taped the
> suspension while it is completely intact, for reference later after it is
> completely apart.  I do have the Service Manual, and that should provide
> some assistance, but I would love to hear from anyone who has done this, and
> that is well acquainted with the 350 engine.  I would like to squeeze every
> last horse out of it, and I plan on obtaining quite a few performance parts.
>
> "There is a special feel in an Oldsmobile"
>
> Jeff Zeilmann
> SMTP:jzeilman@stlouis.cp.lucent.com
> '68 Cutlass Supreme, '69 Cutlass S Convertible

Jeff, doing the front end on these cars is snap, simple straightforward
process. I don't really think there is too much of a "plan of attack",
rather to just get under there and start taking things off in the order
you get to them. Remember to get a ball joint press and a spring
compressor. One thing to watch for is the upper bushing and ball joints.
The bushing are pressed in and you are going to need a good compressor
and air chisel or you're going to need someone to take them out for you
(removal). The ball joints (I'm assuming they're original) are riveted
in place, but you can remove the rivet head with a good grinder. Good
note from Jim about the poly bushings, and another thing you could do
yourself a great favor is to upgrade to disc brakes. (Again, if show
quality is not an issue.) while your at it, go ahead and give the car a
round of rear suspension also, you'll hate steering great with the
rearend all over the road.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:22:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Flames

- ----------
> From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Flames
> Date: Tuesday, February 04, 1997 4:11 PM
>
> TELESIS.LEGTEL:JOSE TREJO wrote:
> >
> >       Date:  02/04/1997  11:22 am  (Tuesday)
> >       From:  Jose Trejo
> >         To:  SF-CCMAIL("oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at Internet")
> >    Subject:  Flames
> >
> > Just curious if anyone would happen to know how to
> > get flames coming out of the tailpipes!!!!  I've seen it on
> > a few cars and of course on the movie "Grease" so if
> > anyone would happen to know, the info. would be
> > greatly appreciated!!!!
>
> Jose,
>
> A spark plug is installed near the end of pipe.  This is then hooked to
> a switch & a hot lead from the battery.  Switch on; flames.  Switch off;
> no flames.
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
> Wouldnt the spark plug have to be connected to the coil so there would be
enough voltage to jump the gap and provide a spark?

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From: Joe Fauzio <galusha@postoffice.ptd.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:35:51 -0400
Subject: Mice in my intake

When I bought my 71 442 there was a Holley Street Dominator intake with a
Holley double pumper carb on it in the trunk. I was thinking of putting it
on and today I picked it up to look at it and all kinds of garbage fell out
of it. There were seeds, something that looked like dog food and other junk.
I don't know what would of happened if I put it on but it would have been
interesting. Does anyone know what would have happened?

Joe

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From: NotDads442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:37:23 -0400
Subject: My Story...

OK, Here=92s my contribution to the stories of recent members.  My name i=
s
Cecil Smalley, you may have seen postings from me as PidgLanger@aol.com, =
that
address is still correct.  However, the list and creative names listed he=
re
have prompted me to change to using NotDads442@aol.com.  Everyone should =
be
able to figure that one out.;) My wife, Audrey, and I own a 1991 Cutlass
Calais Quad442 W-41.  It is one of 204 cars with the W-41 option made in
1991.  I have long appreciated the "muscle cars" of all makes but I am
particulary fond of any GM product. =20

The first Olds I owned was inherited.  I got it when I got the wife.  It =
was
a 1985 Calais 2-door V-6, Auto etc=85  What a piece of crap!  That car
convinced me to never buy a first model year car, never let the wife take=
 the
car to the mechanic without approval from me and never trust another
Oldsmobile service department! In that order.  The car had begun missing =
and
running rough but would then clear up???.  Audrey headed straight for the
local dealership.:(  First they said timing chain, then cam, then I don=92=
t
remember what but they wanted to pull the motor and rebuild it!  I said n=
o,
put it back together I=92m taking it somewhere else.  While doing that th=
ey
broke a rocker arm, which they don=92t stock.  Two days later they get it=
 back
together.  I take to a recommended mechanic.  He spends two days looking =
at
it and untold hours on a tech line.  Finally figures out that the cranksh=
aft
position sensor is bad.  First time he or the tech line have seen one tha=
t
didn=92t fail completely.  Usally they fail and the car just won=92t run.=
  Mine
would run, sorta.:(

I get Motor Trend and I am reading through it and find an article on the
W-41.  Show it to Audrey.  Gotta have one.  What are our chances of findi=
ng
one in Kansas.  I said slim and none. I was wrong!  On a return trip from
visiting her parents, she spies a W-41 on the lot in Belleville KS.  She
drives it.  Has to have one now.  I call the place and try to work a deal.
 No dice they want BIG$$$.  They know what they have.  We pass on that on=
e.
 Find another car in the showroom in Beloit KS.  Call them and they have =
just
sold to someone in Texas. Damn! Chances are really fading now(All told to
date I have seen 5 in KS). It=92s early 1992, the Achievas are out.  Same
drivetrain as Calais maybe we can find an SCX.  Audrey stops in the local
dealership(sales office this time=85she is banned from the service area).=
  She
asks the salesrobber, err person, if they have an SCX Achieva.  No they
don=92t.  But, they have this lovely =91used=92 W-41 Calais in the showro=
om(3480
miles on it).

I get the frantic phone call. " I=92m at Davis-Moore you have to come dow=
n here
now!".  What the h*ll has gone wrong with that car now??  Then she tells =
me
what she has found.  I=92m there in 15 minutes and we make a decent deal =
and
are gone in two hours.  That=92s gotta be a record.

So far the car has been awesome.  I don=92t like FWD cars as a rule they=92=
re
loud inside and don=92t usually handle that well.  This car is loud but h=
andles
and runs awesome.  When we bought the W-41, I was driving a 89 5.0 Mustan=
g.
 This car will kick any stock 5.0 Mustang=92s butt.  I=92ve driven both a=
nd the
difference is amazing.  We drive it only on sunny days now and to car
shows(19k on the odometer now).  I recently installed the Magnabraid kit =
to
cover most of the hoses to look like stainless steel hose.  It was a pain=
 but
the effect is great.  The only problem to report so far was I had to repl=
ace
the heater core.  The damn things have plastic caps on them(just like the
recent radiators).  So the place where you put the hose on and tighten th=
e
clamp is plastic.  Take a tip from me don=92t tighten these things to muc=
h;).

After much discussion with Olds on-line recently, my next car to find wil=
l be
a 1991 I-Series Calais Sedan(4-door) with a 5-speed.  According the the s=
heet
Olds sent me there were 58 made!

Well there=92s my story for what it=92s worth!

Cecil Smalley

1991 Quad 442 W-41
1991 Chevy Ext Car P/U
1989 Chevy Caprice Police Pkg (Current project car..it=92s still
black&white..some day will be killer q-ship)

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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:59:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

>On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Dan Lacey wrote:
>> I am looking at putting something like P225/70-R14 or P235/70-R14 on my
>> '65 98. Anybody put some fat tires on one of these beasts???
>
>Well, I've got 215/70-R14s on my '68 Cutlass. They are a good match in
>terms of height and diameter but there are times when I think it would
>look better with a 60 or 65 series, if they made them in a size that
>would maintain the same diameter. I don't know if they do, though...
>
>Would a 225/70-R14 be big enough for a 98? What was the original size,
>8.55x14 or even bigger?
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I have P215/75-R14 all the way around right now. I will put the widest,
tallest tires that fit on it (pocket book willing!!!).

Should be going through brake shoes at about the same rate as gasoline
soon........


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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:59:09 -0400
Subject: Re: fresh air intake...

>  Running a fresh air hose to your air cleaner will actually make a feelable
>diference in the way your car runs, if you have never actually done that
>before.
>  I like to take the stock air cleaner housing snorkel and cut it off until
>there is only about 1 or 2 inches of the snorkel left -- it allows for better
>air flow -- Year One sells inlet scoops that can be bolted to bottom of your

[SNIP]

How about no snorkel? Like those open air filters?


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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:02:00 -0400
Subject: Re: 350 rebuild

[SNIP]

>
>Jeff, doing the front end on these cars is snap, simple straightforward
>process. I don't really think there is too much of a "plan of attack",
>rather to just get under there and start taking things off in the order
>you get to them. Remember to get a ball joint press and a spring
>compressor. One thing to watch for is the upper bushing and ball joints.
>The bushing are pressed in and you are going to need a good compressor
>and air chisel or you're going to need someone to take them out for you
>(removal). The ball joints (I'm assuming they're original) are riveted
>in place, but you can remove the rivet head with a good grinder. Good
>note from Jim about the poly bushings, and another thing you could do
>yourself a great favor is to upgrade to disc brakes. (Again, if show
>quality is not an issue.) while your at it, go ahead and give the car a
>round of rear suspension also, you'll hate steering great with the
>rearend all over the road.
>
>
>Stephen Hoover
>Dallas, Texas
>'70 Cutlass "S"

Rebuilding the rear end suspension will make a big difference in how the
front-end "feels". Hard to explain, but, once you do it, you'll know the
feeling. Also, adding a read anti-sway bar will change how the front-end
"feels" as well...


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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 19:55:02 -0400
Subject: Re:

At 06:47 PM 2/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>Thanks for replying to my questions about the flapper door on my 71 442.I
>looked at the engine this morning and saw the two places to connect the
>hoses on the sensor. There is also a place to connect a hose on the top of
>the sensor and some kind of a electric receptacle on  the top. Does anyone
>know what they are for? Will it hurt anything just to leave the door open?
>>
>Thanks
>
>Joe
>

Joe

        If I remember right this connection was for the automatic
transmission. It is a simular device to the TCS switch for on most 1970
Oldsmobiles. It should have two prongs for the electrical connection and
three vacuum connections. 1 being supply and the other two got to ? I don't
have a 72 service manual handy ( Lent to a friend) If you leave the flapper
door open it will not hurt anything, but it might make the car stumble more
until fully warmed up. This is due to the colder air being introduced while
the engine is cold.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
Virginia Beach VA
(757) 474-0869>

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:01:39 -0400
Subject: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

The following is a list of Olds parts for sale.

64 Cutlass/442
grille assm     $75.00
RH headlight door    $25.00
F. bumper core    $75.00
RH tail lens    $5.00ea
LH tail lens    $5.00ea
Tail light bezels (used) $15.00 ea
Steering wheel center   $10.00

66 Cutlass/442
Headlight doors    $45.00pr

67 Cutlass/442
400/425 NOS fuel pump    $50.00
400/425 NOS water pump   $75.00
Headlight doors NOS   $125.00pr (cutlass)
Deluxe wheel covers    $80.00set

67 Toronado
dash gauge bezel   $55.00
Rear glass    $50.00
Package tray    $25.00

68 Cutlass/442
RH headlight plastic   $100.00ea
Headlight doors    $5.00ea
Trunk chrome molding   $50.00set
Rear bumper core    $65.00 (cutlass)
Rear window moldings   $40.00set

68 Toronado
Headlight vacuum actuator    $50.00
Headlight switch     $10.00
Dash gauges    $10.00ea
F bumper    $75.00
R bumper    $75.00
Turn signal lens   $65.00pr
Radiator top plate   $35.00

69 Cutlass/442
Headlight doors   $50.00pr
Hood tongue   $15.00
Hood hinges   $20.00pr
LH tail light    $20.00
4 row radiator top plate   $75.00
Q-jet 7049250 (rebuilt)   $100.00
Pwr antenna switch   $15.00
Rear defrost switch    $15.00
Black inner fenders    $80.00pr

70 Cutlass/442
Hood tongue   $20.00ea
Headlight doors   $55.00pr
Hood hinges  $20.00pr
442 post door panels   $40.00pr
Tail light lens   $15.00ea
Cutlass S grilles   $65.00pr
Rear upper control arms   $75.00pr
Drum brake knuckles and backs (complete)   $85.00
C/S rear window glass   $75.00
C/S side moldings   $ inquire
C/S wheel moldings   $ inquire
OAI hood pins (nice used)  $30.00pr
455 distributor #1111978 (2nd design)   $25.00

455/425/400  Offenhauser 2-4bbl. low rise intake w/2 carter 550 cfm carbs.
(Complete setup) $350.00
70-72 shifter console (1 blue and 1 black)  $125.00ea
70 Cutlass "S" side moldings (set) $135.00
72 Cutlass Supreme side moldings (set) 135.00
70 AM/FM mono w/amp $85.00Misc:

1986/87  88/98 wire wheel covers   $125.00set

**** New stuff to list****

72 Cutlass/442
442 Grille Set (Perfect) orig.  $200.00pr
10 Bolt 3.23:1 W-27 (Cover) Anti-Spin rear end   $550.00
Boxed Lower control arms  $60.00pr
Sport Steering Wheel   $90.00
Column Shift Tilt (black)   $100.00
Headlight Plastic Housings  $40.00pr
Auto Consoles (2 black, 1 blue)   $75.00ea
Dash Pads (A/C car, 2 black)   $125.00ea
Edelbrock Performer Intake   $100.00
Long Wheel Molding Sets   $125.00set
Tail Light Lens   $15.00ea


P.S.  We have more parts!

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
Virginia  Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:32:29 -0400
Subject: Insurance Buying

Andrew,
Thanks for your reply, I guess all I was trying to say is as a claimant,
recognize that these reps have some discretionary power and make it work
for you rather than against you. Agree completely on the agent's stronger
commission-based incentive to fight on behalf of the customer.

On that point: List members, be aware that your agent is taking
home 8-22% of your auto insurance premium as his reward for bringing
in the business. If you're not getting that kind of value (Let's say
$150 _per year_ for a $1,000 auto policy), think about going to a direct
to the customer company like Geico. 'Course then you give up this advocate.

Just decide what it could be worth to you.
cf


>>5) work with your claims rep, chat them up, be kind to them. I've had two
>>not at fault accidents in two years and in each case I feel that sympathy
>>with the rep really helped. Remember, they spend most of their time dealing
>>with people who are mad because their car has been hit or worse.
>
>You make several valid points here, but as far as dealing with the
>claims adjusters, I've dealt with several both from my own company
>and from the other party's and see little difference: the adjuster
>is motivated to pay out the least possible amount of money to settle
>the case; he/she is not motivated to get you the best possible repair.
>They do not get brownie points for spending the most possible amount
>of company money on repairing your car.
>
>Your agent, on the other hand, is motivated to keep you happy and keep
>your business. As such he should want to go to bat for you if you're
>dissatisfied with the settlement offer, whether it's from your own
>company or another one. Mine has.
>
>Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
>Datalogics, Inc.
>101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: "JOSEPH_W. BARKER" <BARKERJO@mailserv1.ferris.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:36:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Octane booster

> Date sent:      Wed, 5 Feb 1997 02:58:53 -0400
> From:           jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
> Organization:   HMCM(SS)  NATIONAL NAVAL MEDICAL CENTER
> To:             oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:        Re: Octane booster
> Send reply to:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

> theogns wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Here is my list:
> > >
> > >      1) 104+  Good stuff.  Car pings a little 90% effective
> > >      2) Bartyls Lead additive and Octane booster.  80% effective
> > >      3) Snap Octane booster.  Save your money.
> > >      4) Trick Octane booster.  Haven't tried it yet.
> > >      5) Stp Octane booster.  75% effective
> > >      6) Meijer's Octane Boost 109 76.5% effective
           7) Magic Mystery Juice.  Reduces performance
> > > Please add to the list folks.
> > >
> > > Chris Sparks
> > > 68 442
> >
> > Here I go again...(this is not a paid advertisment)
> >
> > When I bought the "Experience" (70 442) I played with gas mixtures and
> > octane boosters without much success. I would always have to bring my
> > timing down to stop pre ignition. When I tried Lead Supreme 130 I found
> > that I could put my timing almost anywhere I wanted it. LS 130 uses the
> > same additives the oil companies used in the good old days. This
> > includes tetraethyl and toulene. One ounce per gal. will raise 93 octane
> > gas to 95 octane. You can custom blend to your own octane needs.
> >
> > Danny
>
> Danny,
> Would the use of LS 130 damage my 455 Toro that was built to run nolead.
> Reg
>
>

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From: "JOSEPH_W. BARKER" <BARKERJO@mailserv1.ferris.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:36:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Octane booster

> Date sent:      Wed, 5 Feb 1997 02:58:53 -0400
> From:           jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
> Organization:   HMCM(SS)  NATIONAL NAVAL MEDICAL CENTER
> To:             oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:        Re: Octane booster
> Send reply to:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

> theogns wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Here is my list:
> > >
> > >      1) 104+  Good stuff.  Car pings a little 90% effective
> > >      2) Bartyls Lead additive and Octane booster.  80% effective
> > >      3) Snap Octane booster.  Save your money.
> > >      4) Trick Octane booster.  Haven't tried it yet.
> > >      5) Stp Octane booster.  75% effective
> > >      6) Meijer's Octane Boost 109 76.5% effective
           7) Magic Mystery Juice.  Reduces performance
> > > Please add to the list folks.
> > >
> > > Chris Sparks
> > > 68 442
> >
> > Here I go again...(this is not a paid advertisment)
> >
> > When I bought the "Experience" (70 442) I played with gas mixtures and
> > octane boosters without much success. I would always have to bring my
> > timing down to stop pre ignition. When I tried Lead Supreme 130 I found
> > that I could put my timing almost anywhere I wanted it. LS 130 uses the
> > same additives the oil companies used in the good old days. This
> > includes tetraethyl and toulene. One ounce per gal. will raise 93 octane
> > gas to 95 octane. You can custom blend to your own octane needs.
> >
> > Danny
>
> Danny,
> Would the use of LS 130 damage my 455 Toro that was built to run nolead.
> Reg
>
>

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From: "JOSEPH_W. BARKER" <BARKERJO@mailserv1.ferris.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:45:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Talk about Octane

Hey Olds Fans,

One day after the drag races at Mid Michigan Motorplex in Stanton MI,
my friend and I decided to put our leftover money together and put
some CAM 2 racing gas in his 85 Cutlass w/231 V-6 just for kicks.  He
had 1/4 tank of gas already and we put in 3 gallons of the
concoction.  Didn't seem to make a difference, but the motor didn't
spark knock one bit.  By the way, it was 116 Octane and costed 2.79 a
gallon.

Joe Barker
84 Cutlass Calais RWD 307

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From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:40:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

If you have any parts for 78-79 I, as well as others, would be interested
to see what you have.
Thanx
Al Varhus 79 Cutlass/455


 "The Viking"
  PGP Public Key Available by E-Mail Request

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From: David Nye <jdnye@norfolk.infi.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:46:32 -0400
Subject: Seam Filler?

I'm now into the engine compartment hot and heavy. Covering the seams in
the engine compartment (such as where the firewall meets the cowl) there
is a black "filler" material that has dried out and is falling off. I
have removed most of the loose stuff, but I now need to know what to put
back in its place. I'm told that it is "seam filler." Any suggestions on
how to find it, apply it, and paint over it?
				David Nye
				'71 Cutlass Droptop

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:29:01 -0400
Subject: Steering Column Lock

Actually steering column ignition locks were an on again, off again, thing
until 1969; and apparently did not include foreign cars, as my 1979 Rolls
has the key switch in the dash.

     Yes, it is true that the Government has granted exemptions from
     federal regulations for certain low-volume auto manufacturers.  On the
     other hand, the 1969 law did not require the ignition switch to be on
     the column, just that the ignition key also locked the steering column
     and shifter.  It is possible that Rolls kept the switch in the dash
     and used some sort of cable actuator to lock the column.  Witness the
     Saab I mentioned earlier, which has had its ignition switch on the
     floor for years.

     Joe Padavano
     jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:42:28 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Larger wheels,Larger tires

I think my 14" wheels are 14x6 and I think that 15" wheels are 15x7.
Was there ever a 14x7 width wheel?

     The 70-up SSII (SSIII?) wheels are 14x7.  The 68-69 Argent SSIIs are
     14x6.  I've run BFG 245/60-14s on the 14x7s on a number of 68-72
     A-bodies with no problems.  Note that I currently have BFG 255/60-15s
     on the stock H/O rims on my 69.  The rubbing is minimal.

Isn't 245 too wide for a 6" wide wheel?

     Technically, yes, but I've done this also on a 68 VC and a 68 442,
     again with no problems.  Handling probably wasn't optimum, but, hey...

     Joe Padavano
     jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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From: mtpoole <mtpoole@concentric.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:56:02 -0400
Subject: CANCEL

CANCEL MY E-MAIL FOR THIS CLUB  TOO MUCH TOO READ  THANKS  MP

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From: "KURT W MANNING" <MANNINGK@mailserv1.ferris.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:57:54 -0400
Subject: Re: 350 rebuild &

Can you put a 307 crank in a 350?
We know you can put 350 heads on a 403, and a 400 chevy in a 350
chevy :p
Just leting my imagination get away with me, but could you?
Would you even want to try?

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:35:25 -0400
Subject: Re: New Archive Set Available

Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com wrote:
>
> From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
>
> >Thanks for those 4.  I have finally decided to save them.  I am assuming
> >that you will post the others again.
>
> Tsk, tsk, Bill.
>
> I've always maintained that this is a one shot deal, as I'm
> paying for an otherwise uneeded ISP account just to make these available.
>
> Once I get thru with posting everything, I'll take another look at it.
> Maybe I can pay for 20-30 mb of disk space for a week and we can have
> a last chance blowout for all the archives or something...
>
> -Jeff

Jeff,

I'm sure that you said that up front.  My mind just doesn't work like
it......it........it..... - I don't remember.   Don't spend money on my
account.  I just appreciate the whole thing.  Thank you very much.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:03:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Flames

jones wrote:
>
> >
> > Jose,
> >
> > A spark plug is installed near the end of pipe.  This is then hooked to
> > a switch & a hot lead from the battery.  Switch on; flames.  Switch off;
> > no flames.
> >
> > Bill Culp
> > Decatur, Alabama
> > Wouldnt the spark plug have to be connected to the coil so there would be
> enough voltage to jump the gap and provide a spark?

Of course you are right.  I don't know who changed my post like that.
Ever since Lincoln was elected, you can't trust government anymore.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:58:25 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 Rocket Lyrics

buehner wrote:
>
> I picked up the new Kathy Mattea disc today.  It does have the lyrics in it.
	<snip>

>      I had a 455 Rocket
>      The very kind you drive
>      You oughta watch yourself when you take that turn, 'cause
>      She was made for the straightaways
>      She grew up hating chevro*ets.
>      She's a Rocket, she was made to burn, burn, Lord
>      She's a Rocket, she was made to burn.
>
>           Written by Gillian Welch and David Rawlings
>
>
>       Charley Buehner

Charley,

I believe that even I can relate to that.  Thanks.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:22:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds 307 hop up help

At 05:20 PM 2/5/97 -0400, HippieJ@aol.com wrote:
>I just bought a 84 Cutlass with the 307 in it. What are my options as far as
>hopping it up? I really want to keep it emissions legal, which is probably
>going to be my biggest handicap towards performance. Any ideas are greatly
>appreciated.

Nitrous and rear gears (3.73 or 4.11) would wake it up quickly. Both would
hardly affect emissions.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28......patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2, GSC,  currently bone stock
      planned spring mods: !Cat, !TB, 160stat, SLP cat back, GM Cold Air Kit
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30...white/gold...........3rd place '97 Cleveland Auto Rama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:20:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Steering Column Lock

JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com wrote:
>
>      Yes, it is true that the Government has granted exemptions from
>      federal regulations for certain low-volume auto manufacturers.  On the
>      other hand, the 1969 law did not require the ignition switch to be on
>      the column, just that the ignition key also locked the steering column
>      and shifter.  It is possible that Rolls kept the switch in the dash
>      and used some sort of cable actuator to lock the column.  Witness the
>      Saab I mentioned earlier, which has had its ignition switch on the
>      floor for years.
>
>      Joe Padavano
>
>

Joe,

My 1969 AMX doesn't have the lock on the column.  It is a 4-speed & the
shifter has no lock on it either.  I purchased the car new.  The 1970
AMX's have the steering lock feature.  Saginaw Steering supplied the
columns for AMC.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:25:12 -0400
Subject: Re: CANCEL

At 08:56 PM 2/5/97 -0400, mtpoole wrote:
>CANCEL MY E-MAIL FOR THIS CLUB  TOO MUCH TOO READ  THANKS  MP

Well send you the first couple issues (150 a day or so) free. If your not
satisfied simply write "cancel" on your invoice and keep the free issues:)
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28......patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2, GSC,  currently bone stock
      planned spring mods: !Cat, !TB, 160stat, SLP cat back, GM Cold Air Kit
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30...white/gold...........3rd place '97 Cleveland Auto Rama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:24:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Seam Filler?

David Nye wrote:
>
> I'm now into the engine compartment hot and heavy. Covering the seams in
> the engine compartment (such as where the firewall meets the cowl) there
> is a black "filler" material that has dried out and is falling off. I
> have removed most of the loose stuff, but I now need to know what to put
> back in its place. I'm told that it is "seam filler." Any suggestions on
> how to find it, apply it, and paint over it?
>                                 David Nye
>                                 '71 Cutlass Droptop

The stuff I have seen is from 3-M & can be bought in a tube.  It is
whitish in color & pastey so as to be put on w/a putty knife or even
using your finger.  When dry it is still flexible.  I have seen it just
painted over in it's rough spread-on state.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:28:00 -0400
Subject: Gremlins !!!!!!!!!

     Can anybody help me with this ?? I have an 86 Cutlass Supreme. I've
been squeezing all the lemon out of this car recently: Rebuilt 307, Rebuilt
Turbo 350 (was a TH200 !), etc. There is still some lemon left, however. The
"Fasten Seat Belts" light will sometimes come on when driving down the road.
It usually goes out after a few seconds. It's enough to drive you batty !!!
It happens with or without a passenger.
     Also, I am in the market for a Factory Service Manual for the 1986
Oldsmobile. Email me privately if you have one to sell.

John Pajak              DR OLDS
Lexington Park, MD
Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL

65 Delta 88
66 Toronado Deluxe
69 Cutlass S
70 Cutlass S  (3)
70 Cutlass S W31
70 442 W30 Convert
71 Cutlass Supreme 2D HT
72 Delta 88 Convert
72 442 W30 Convert
72 442 Convert
72 Cutlass Supreme Convert
72 Cutlass S
72 Cutlass
86 Cutlass Supreme
68 Fairlane 500 Station Wagon   (For Sale !!)
75 F-100
82 Suburban

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From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:57:04 -0400
Subject: Re: My Story...

(snip)
>So far the car has been awesome.  I don't like FWD cars as a rule they're
>loud inside and don't usually handle that well.  This car is loud but handles
>and runs awesome.  When we bought the W-41, I was driving a 89 5.0 Mustang.
> This car will kick any stock 5.0 Mustang's butt.  I've driven both and the
>difference is amazing.


Cecil--

As a former owner of many brands of musclecars (including 7 5.0 Mustangs), I
necessarily must take exception here.  Don't get me wrong--I love Quad 4's,
especially, the W-41, and it may have taken a few automatic or unsuspecting
5.0's--but, generally speaking, on the dragstrip, even a stock 5-speed 5.0
with a decent driver would win, hands down.

Sticking his neck out, expecting abuse....

Mike Evans
evans1@net-link.net
Richland, MI
1976 Cutlass S--Modified 455 tripower
>
>
>

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From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:07:50 -0400
Subject: Re: New Archive Set Available

>
>>
>> Once I get thru with posting everything, I'll take another look at it.
>> Maybe I can pay for 20-30 mb of disk space for a week and we can have
>> a last chance blowout for all the archives or something...
>>
>> -Jeff
>
>Jeff,
>
>I'm sure that you said that up front.  My mind just doesn't work like
>it......it........it..... - I don't remember.   Don't spend money on my
>account.  I just appreciate the whole thing.  Thank you very much.
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>
Jeff-

And, speaking for the newbies on the List, it gives us a chance to see what
we were missing!  Thanks.
Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:11:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Mice in my intake

Joe I am not sure exactly what would have happened I guess it would depend
if any of the stuff was big enough to hold the intake valves open. Smaller
stuff would probably blow out the exaust except for dirt and sand that got
down around your rings and scratched the cylinder walls.
The street dominatator and Holley was probably in the trunk for a reason. I
have tried the S/D intake on small block chevys and it ran much better with
the stock piece. Double pumper Holleys are designned for the drag strip and
usually make poor street carbs. You will notice that most of the folks here
run Quadrajets. They do it because they are a great street carb. If you
want to run a Holley on the street use a 3310 vacum secondary 750. Thats
what they are made for.

- ----------
> From: Joe Fauzio <galusha@postoffice.ptd.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Mice in my intake
> Date: Wednesday, February 05, 1997 5:35 PM
>
> When I bought my 71 442 there was a Holley Street Dominator intake with a
> Holley double pumper carb on it in the trunk. I was thinking of putting
it
> on and today I picked it up to look at it and all kinds of garbage fell
out
> of it. There were seeds, something that looked like dog food and other
junk.
> I don't know what would of happened if I put it on but it would have been
> interesting. Does anyone know what would have happened?
>
> Joe
>
>

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:20:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

At 08:40 PM 2/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>If you have any parts for 78-79 I, as well as others, would be interested
>to see what you have.
>Thanx
>Al Varhus 79 Cutlass/455
>
>
> "The Viking"
>  PGP Public Key Available by E-Mail Request
>
Mr. Viking

        I only maintain a large amount of parts for 64-72 Cutlass/442. Sorry!

Jim Chermack >

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:04:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

At 05:21 PM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I believe this chart is accurate. section height and diameter are in
>inches. Any comments???
>
[just a _little_ snip]
>size: P165/78-R17       section height: 128.699997, diameter: 27.133858

Yeah, sorry to break it to you, Dan, but my P165/78-R17's measure 27.133854"
high. I think you'll have to check your math.

BTW, could you post the specs for section widths from 255-315mm? I don't
have skinny tires on all my cars...

;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:04:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Mice in my intake

At 06:35 PM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>When I bought my 71 442 there was a Holley Street Dominator intake with a
>Holley double pumper carb on it in the trunk. I was thinking of putting it
>on and today I picked it up to look at it and all kinds of garbage fell out
>of it. There were seeds, something that looked like dog food and other junk.
>I don't know what would of happened if I put it on but it would have been
>interesting. Does anyone know what would have happened?

Well, if your engine was a real dog, it'd be wagging it's tail.

Otherwise, the "tender vittles" would get crushed by the closing valve, or
burnt up in the combustion chamber.

And your car would leak antifreeze wherever you parked (marking territory,
you know...)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:05:09 -0400
Subject: Re: 350 rebuild &

0At 07:57 PM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Can you put a 307 crank in a 350?
>We know you can put 350 heads on a 403, and a 400 chevy in a 350
>chevy :p
>Just leting my imagination get away with me, but could you?
>Would you even want to try?

You could; it's identical. You'd probably want to have it rebalanced.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:27:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Gremlins !!!!!!!!!

At 05:28 PM 2/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>     Can anybody help me with this ?? I have an 86 Cutlass Supreme. I've
>been squeezing all the lemon out of this car recently: Rebuilt 307, Rebuilt
>Turbo 350 (was a TH200 !), etc. There is still some lemon left, however. The
>"Fasten Seat Belts" light will sometimes come on when driving down the road.
>It usually goes out after a few seconds. It's enough to drive you batty !!!
>It happens with or without a passenger.
>     Also, I am in the market for a Factory Service Manual for the 1986
>Oldsmobile. Email me privately if you have one to sell.
>
>John Pajak              DR OLDS
>

Take the lightbulb out!

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:38:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Toro info follow-up

In a message dated 97-02-04 22:19:28 EST, you write:

> I couldn't find the
>  VIN number.           Any idea where it would be located?

VIN should be located on the dash, on the drivers side, right up near the
base of the windshield, just like on a new car.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:39:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Power Antenna

In a message dated 97-02-05 10:20:16 EST, you write:

>  Would I have any problem switching
>  antennas?
>
>  Let me know,
>
>  Chris Sparks
>  68 442

You might.  Olds mounted their power antennas on the passenger rear 1/4 for
many years.  The standard antennas are mounted on the passenger fender.  So
you'd have a hole (or an unattractive plug) left where the standard antenna
was.  The only exception to this rule was (I think) in '63 and '64 when they
installed the standard antenna on the 1/4 of cars that had factory air as
there was not enough room for the antenna mast under the fender.  Those are
the only simple conversions.  Oh, and Toronados, they had the standard and
power antennas mounted on the fender.

Paul

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:45:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Some questions] Second request

Sounds like you are describing the W-30 stripes for the 70s cars.  Could
that be?

> > 2) Did 68 442 come with pinstripes along the bottom, above the
> >    rocker panels, and around the wheel wells as depicted in the Year
> >    One catalog?
>

These are the pin stripes that you are supposed to have.  Also, don't
forget that all 68s had a pin stripe in the interior of the car also
(below the dash).

- -Dan

>
> 2) I don't recall that my '68 442 had pin stripes along the rocker
>    panels and around the wheel wells.  I do recall however that it
>    did have pinstripes which ran along the side, an inch or so below
>    the chrome trim that ran along the top of the fender and below
>    the side windows.  Those were painted on, as I believe all factory
>    pinstripes were in those days.

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