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Subject:	oldsmobile-digest V1 #516


oldsmobile-digest        Thursday, 13 February 1997     Volume 01 : Number 516

RE: Power chips and Stats
Re: WANTED: 455
74 Hurst Olds. for sale
Re: WANTED: 455
Re: need parts 70 98 LS
RE: The dreaded parts list
Re: Dash Problems
Re: Leaking Lena
Re: Leaking Lena
Re: Replacement Muffler
Re: Lena
Re: 72 Vista Cruiser
66 Delta parts car
Re: My Classic Car
Re: Neat sight.
Re: Steering
Re: 72 Vista Cruiser
Olds specifications
Re: Neat sight.
67 dual gate?
Re: Old olds adds
Re: stalling upon burnouts
Re: stalling upon burnouts
Re: Lena
unsubscribe
Re: 67 dual gate?
Olds in the news, again
Re: Archive Availability
Question on storing a motor -Reply
Re: Archive Availability
Olds Club of Florida and Car Show 3/23/97 Homestead Motorsports Complex.
Re: Lena
Time Code
Oldsmobile DRCE
Re: Stalling Upon Burnouts
Re: 70-72 Big Block Frame Mounts
Re[2]: GM Performance Catalogue
Dash Qs
Olds parts
Olds Club
RE: Automotive Formulas
Re[2]: stalling upon burnouts
Re: Olds Club
Re[2]: GM Performance Catalogue
Re[2]: Archive Availability
Re: Re[2]: Archive Availability
Re: Time Code
Re[2]: Olds Club
Re: Dash Qs
Re: Re[2]: Olds Club
Re: Lena

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From: Albert Levi Ball <alball@mindspring.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 18:52:25 -0400
Subject: RE: Power chips and Stats

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Well I have one and the gas milage went up. Not to mention runs better.

Albert Levi Ball
Weekly Quote
"Some things with the Number 7 are just better"
1988 Olds Cutlass Supreme Classic


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From:	Andy Geeting [SMTP:geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu]
Sent:	Tuesday, February 11, 1997 10:34 AM
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject:	Power chips and Stats

Hey everyone,
     I was just wondering if any of you have tried a Hypertech power chip
and power thermostat. I have thought of putting these on my '87 Cutlass but
I wanted to see what you all thought first. Thanks in advance.

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe


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From: OLDS78442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:35:40 -0400
Subject: Re: WANTED: 455

THE REASON I ASK ABOUT MICKEY D'S IS BECAUSE I HAVE SPEEDY BUCKS I CAN TRADE

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:45:10 -0400
Subject: 74 Hurst Olds. for sale

In local paper:

74 Hurst Olds W-30, blk & gold, 21,000 miles 1 owner.  Picture looks
great!

(717) 762-4597 after 5:30.

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 23:57:02 -0400
Subject: Re: WANTED: 455

Please don't use caps

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> From: OLDS78442@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: WANTED: 455
> Date: Wednesday, February 12, 1997 9:35 PM
>
> THE REASON I ASK ABOUT MICKEY D'S IS BECAUSE I HAVE SPEEDY BUCKS I CAN
TRADE
>

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From: Dennis Sytsma <dsytsma@dc.seflin.org>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:13:22 -0400
Subject: Re: need parts 70 98 LS

correction date is March 23 1997.


Dennis J. Sytsma

dsytsma@dc.seflin.org


On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, Dennis Sytsma wrote:

> Hi;
> I need left front fender, left rear quarter panel, trunk lid and cruise
> vacume servo for 70 98 LS 4 door sedan.
>
> I live in Homestead Florida 30 miles South of Miami Florida.
>
> If you can visit Homestead Florida March 27 1997 come to the Homestead
> Motorsports complex for a free event that will include a classic car
> show, Carnical Rides, Go cart races.  Call Gary Fergustion of Fergustion
> Jewlers in Homestead Florida for more info.  Olds Club of Florida, Olds
> Club of America members and cars welcome.  call 305-555-1212 for number
> for fergustion jewlers or check out
> http://www.racemiami.com for web site for Homestead Motorsports complex.
>
> Help me find the parts I need if you can.  The nearer to Homested the
better. > > > Dennis J. Sytsma > > dsytsma@dc.seflin.org > > >

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:18:43 -0400
Subject: RE: The dreaded parts list

At 07:39 PM 2/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>As I am new to this, I have yet to experience the wrath of the dreaded
parts list; however, the idea piques my interest.
>I am the owner of a 1983 Regency 98 2dr coupe (blk/brg).  I love my cruiser
and want it to last awhile longer.  I am in the market for interior plastic
trim, belt and door pieces, and solid sheetmetal.
>
>Any assistance would be very much appreciated.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Jason Beres


Jason,

        I do alot of parts chasing. If there are specific colors etc.. that
you need please give me a more detailed description of the parts you want
and I'll be happy to see if I can find you something.

Thanks,

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:23:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Dash Problems

At 06:11 PM 2/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I recently bought a '72 Cutlass Supreme, in excellent shape except for
>the dash board around the radio.  The last owner cut it away for a cheap
>non-original radio.  Is there a patch or repair kit for this?  I'd
>apperciate any help or advice.
>--
>Daniel Bennett

Daniel,

        The only real way to fix that problem is to replace the entire piece
of dash plastic. The piece that the gauges and main area where the radio
goes is all one piece. The dash pad is separate. Hope this is of some help.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: Dennis Sytsma <dsytsma@dc.seflin.org>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:34:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Leaking Lena

If the engine has excessive blowby from bad rings it will leak no matter
what you do.  To check for excessive blowby remove the oil filler cap.
start the engine and observe for excessive gases. hold your hand over the
filler tube.  If you have lots of wind past your hand its bad news.  A
more indepth check would be to do a compression check.  And even more
would be to remove the rocker covers, loosend the rocker arms, and
connect a air compressoer to the spark plug hole.  Listen for leaking
air.  If you hear air in the crankcase its rings, if you hear air in the
exaust, its exhaust vavels, if you hear it in the carb or intake its
intake valves.

above all be careful around moving parts, cars are no fun if you get hurt
working on it.


Dennis J. Sytsma

dsytsma@dc.seflin.org


On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, Andrew C. Green wrote:

> >For the oil leak, the valve covers are leaking.
> >
> >My mechanic said to me that no matter what I do, this car will continue
> >to leak.  I am a firm believer that if I get all the leaks fixed
> >properly, I shouldn't have any spurious leaks.  Any feedback?
>
> Do the rocker (heh-heh :-) covers; that'll stop a lot of sewage from
> covering the engine. Even if they're not the only leak points, they're
> definitely great as being one source that can coat the entire engine in
> goo. Fix 'em up (my preference is new cork gaskets with a light coating
> of K&W Copper Coat; others like Form-a-Seal type stuff), clean the
> engine and see if there's anything else leaking. Maybe there won't be.
>
> Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
> Datalogics, Inc.
> 101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
> Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282
>
>

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From: Dennis Sytsma <dsytsma@dc.seflin.org>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 00:42:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Leaking Lena

I agree except if the rings are bad, you will have leaks due to excess
crankcase pressure from the blowby.


Dennis J. Sytsma

dsytsma@dc.seflin.org


On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, C.R.F. wrote:

> At 12:17 PM 2/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >>For the oil leak, the valve covers are leaking.
> >>
> >>My mechanic said to me that no matter what I do, this car will continue
> >>to leak.
>
> If my mechanic had that attitude I would get another mechanic, as your
> problems are obviousl beyound the scope of his ability.
>
> >>I am a firm believer that if I get all the leaks fixed
> >>properly, I shouldn't have any spurious leaks.  Any feedback?
>
> Absolutely, fix the leaks, and you will not have any spurious leaks, or any
> non-spruious leaks either.  (interesting adj. there)  Until a new one crops
> up of course.
>
> >Do the rocker (heh-heh :-) covers; that'll stop a lot of sewage from
> >covering the engine. Even if they're not the only leak points, they're
> >definitely great as being one source that can coat the entire engine in
> >goo. Fix 'em up (my preference is new cork gaskets with a light coating
> >of K&W Copper Coat; others like Form-a-Seal type stuff), clean the
> >engine and see if there's anything else leaking. Maybe there won't be.
>
> Rocker covers and oil pan gaskets (both engine and tranny) can get
> everything wet with oil, which then breeds dirt, which then causes the
> entire car to look supremely shabby.  In the case of rocker covers,
> sometimes double cork gaskets are the answer, instead of single.  And coat
> them with the gasket goo of your preference.
>
> The tranny leaks are all easy to fix save for the front main seal and the
> kick down cable (transmission must come out for it front seal, and oil pan
> must come off for kd cable.)  GM Hyrda-matics either have a 'O' ring at most
> possible leak points, or a little rubber bootiee.  With a gasket of course
> on the oil pan.
>
> Why don't they design the kd cable as an interior fitting that juts thru the
> hole.  At assembly attach, this small fitting, to the end of the k-d cable,
> and then attach the kd cable flange to the tranmission.  That would
> certainly save a lot of hair pulling and cussing all those d*mb b*stards at
> Hyrda-matic.
>
> >Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
> >Datalogics, Inc.
> >101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
> >Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282
> >
>
> The Wiz
>
>
>

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From: Dennis Sytsma <dsytsma@dc.seflin.org>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 01:20:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Replacement Muffler

Two words
carbon monooxide!
the silent killer
replace the muffler before it kills you or someone you love.


Dennis J. Sytsma

dsytsma@dc.seflin.org


On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, Ryan Hehn wrote:

> I think all this muffler talk recently has caused the muffler in my '86
> Supreme to start deteriorating.  The car actually has a kind of nice
> rumble to it now, considering it's single exhaust.
>
> I'm curious, when I get around to replacing the thing (which could be
> months because I don't consider a perfect muffler a necessity), are
> there any 'performance' mufflers available for single exhaust?  Maybe
> one that has higher flow and a bit more noise to it?  This car is a
> daily driver and I don't really care to spend a lot on the exhaust
> system, so duals are out for now.
>
> It might just be my imagination, but the car seems to accelerate more
> freely with the rusty muffler...
>
> Ryan Hehn
> ryanh@docker.com
>
>

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From: jmskms@ix.netcom.com
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 01:22:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Lena

At 05:41 PM 2/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>     The 2-speed automatics from 68 and 69 found in Cutlasses also downshift
>electrically. You can use the switch assy and gas pedal from these cars to
>convert TH350 cars to TH400.

The 67 Cutlass Jetaway (2 sp) has the electric downshift also, however, the
kickdown switch is mounted on the firewall...it's mechanically connected to
the throttle linkage, and has a couple of leads down to the side of the
tranny.  Mine hasn't worked since I got the car, but it's no big deal to
(and it feels kinda good to) throw the shifter into L and floor that baby.
There is something to be said about doing 70 MPH in first in a stock
automobile.  (oops...that's the abusive side of me coming out again!).

Later,
Jonathan.

e-mail:  jmskms@ix.netcom.com
www:     www.netcom.com/~jmskms


Hey, this IS my father's Oldsmobile...Ya got a problem with that sis??

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 01:42:33 -0400
Subject: Re: 72 Vista Cruiser

Cheap you say - that's my middle name. How much cheap are you talking?

Lisa - Anaheim CA
714/991-8300 (daytime)

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 01:35:14 -0400
Subject: 66 Delta parts car

I just bought a 68 Delta 88 4 Dr.car that I will be parting out. I want the
455 and possibaly the rest of the drive train. The rest is for sale if
there is anything anyone needs.
jones@morgan.net

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 01:42:31 -0400
Subject: Re: My Classic Car

The flip side of both the cars we're talking about - the AMX and 442 -
would have to be my '70 Super Bee.  That car was so ridiculously nose
heavy, if I hit the brakes too hard the a** end would inevitably whip
around (I did it to scare unsuspecting riders), but that ol' 440 had the
best top end pull of all the cars I had, AMX included.

Oh great, now I'm going to start pining for something fast again.  My Delta
is rated at 325 HP and is no slouch but still......nothin' like those
Muscle Cars.

Take care -

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 01:42:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Neat sight.

Lets hope if they took the time to put on a personalized plate, they'll
take care of that good ol' VC. Of course if you ever see it for sale - YELL
at us.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 19:50:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Steering

Dave Paulison wrote:
>

> I'm looking for an interchange for the 64-72 A bodies (or 68-72, or
> whatever).  I have one that is a three turn lock-to-lock, but I don't know
> if it's fast ratio or not.  My bro-in-law got it off a junkyard car to put
> in his brothers '68 Camaro, then never used it.  He can't remember what kind
> of car it came from, so I thought that if I had the interchange I could try
> to match up some numbers.
>
> --
> Dave Paulison

F85 Oldsmobile
Steering Gear - Power Steering

64-69   707
70-72   941

Interchange

707    Note: 782, 941, 968, 1029, 1046, 1102, & 1103 fits
       Buick '65-68 LeSabre
       Buick Special '64-69
       Camaro '67-74
       Chevy Pass '65-70
       Chevelle '64-69
       Firebird '67-70
       Grand Prix '70
       Nova '68-69
       Olds '64-66 Jetstar 88
       Olds F85 '64-69
       Pontiac '67-68 Catalina, Ventura, & 2+2 w/o AC	
       Pontaic '69-70 Catalina & Ventura w/o AC
       Tempest '64-69

941    Note: 707, 1029, 1046, 1102, & 1103 fits.
       Buick Special '70-72
       Chevelle '70-72
       Monte Carlo '70-72
       Nova '70-72
       Olds F85 '70-72
       Sprint (GMC) '71-72
       Tempest '70-72
       Ventura II '71-72

782    Jeep '65-69
       Jeep '70-73 SW & truck

968    Buick '71-76 LeSabre 8-350
       Buick '76 LeSabre 6-231
       Chevy Pass '71-74
       Chevy Pass '75-76 8-350, 8-400
       Olds '72-74 Delta 8-455 w/o AC
       Olds '72-75 Delta 8-350
       Olds '75 Delta 8-400, 8-455 w/o AC
       Olds '76 8-350
       Olds '76 8-455 w/o AC
       Pontiac '71-72 Catalina w/o AC
       Pontiac '73-74 Catalina & Bonneville w/o AC
       Pontiac '73-74 Grandville w/o AC
       Pontiac 75-76

1029   AMX '70-74
       Ambassador '67-74
       American '67-68
       Gremlin '70-76
       Hornet '70-76
       Javelin '70-74
       Marlin '67
       Matador '71-76
       Matador '77 (prior to build date code 6A203)

1046   Apollo '73-75
       Camaro '75-76
       Century '73-76
       Chevelle '73-76
       Cutlass '73-76
       Firebird '71-76
       Grand Prix '71-76
       LeMans '73-76
       Monte Carlo '73-76
       Nova '73-76
       Omega '73-76
       Regal '73-76
       Seville '76
       Skylark '75-76
       Sprint (GMC) '73-76
       Ventura II '73-76

1102   Jeep '74-75 SW & truck
       Jeep '76-79 SW
       Jeep '76-79 truck, J10

1103   Jeep '76 truck, J20

That is quite a list.  It doesn't describe the ratios or anyth other
feature.  Take what you know to help.  i.e. The newer cars usually have
the faster ratios.  1970 GM cars usually featured variable ratio
steering.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 19:59:45 -0400
Subject: Re: 72 Vista Cruiser

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> Cheap you say - that's my middle name. How much cheap are you talking?
>
> Lisa - Anaheim CA
> 714/991-8300 (daytime)

Lisa,

This is unbelievable.  That darned "cheap disease" has spread to the
distaff side now.  Did you get it from the grease & dirt?  I thought
only men could be infected.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: olivier thibault <olivier@9bit.qc.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 02:11:55 -0400
Subject: Olds specifications

I have an odls Delta 88 Royale 1976!
And i whant to know the specifications of my baby! :)

Thanks

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 17:29:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Neat sight.

>Lets hope if they took the time to put on a personalized plate, they'll
>take care of that good ol' VC. Of course if you ever see it for sale - YELL
>at us.
Yes indeedy.  Run, do not walk to the listserve and tell us.  Hate to see
thoes cars relegated to use as a painter's car or lawn mowing service or
(gulp) demolition derbys.  Gotta save all we can.(allthough I can barely
afford gas right now :)

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser

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From: Olds455cut@aol.com
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 02:29:21 -0400
Subject: 67 dual gate?

I can get a 67 GTO dual gate shifter and linkages for $100 and my old
shifter.  I have a 67 Cutless Supreme convertible that original had a
330/Jetaway.  It now has a 455/TH400.

Will the 67 dual gate fit and work correctly?

Is this a good deal?

Would I be better off with the Hurst Dual Gate/2 new from someone like ASAP?

Thanks for your input.

Jerry

67-Custlass Supreme Convertible 455/Th400
83-Cutlass Calais t-tops 455/TH400

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From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 05:46:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Old olds adds

kdporter wrote:
>
> --
>         I have some old adds out of Look magazine,here is a list
> 66 442 red
> 65 442 convertible red
> 66 cutlass 2 door red
> 66 vista cruiser blue
> 65 vista cruiser white
> 67 vista cruiser white
> 71 vista cruiser blue,woodgrain
> 67 98 gold
> 67 cutlass 4 door black
> 68 delmont 88 brown --silver
> 69 88 gold
> 69 toro 2 page gray
> 70 cutlass S 2 page gold
> 70 cutlass supreme silver
> 66 88 white
> 70 delta 88 royale 2 page gold
> 72 88 2 page brown
> 68 toro green
> 67 delmont 88 red
> 72 cutlass supreme gold
> 72 cutlass S red
> 71 cutlass S gold &cutlasssupreme blue 2 page
> 66 toro gold
> 66 88 2 door blue
> 66 88 4 door blue
> 66 88 4 door white
> 66 toro 2 page gray
> 71 delta 88 2 door gold
> 66 jetstar 88 4 door blue
>         Thats all the olds adds i have.I got a hold of every LOOK mag.from
> 64-72.Some of you might remember this mag.it is the same size as Life
> mag.I would like to get rid of these adds if anybody is enterested,i
> will give most of them away you pay for the shipping.
> I also have a 67 cutlass assembly manual,the one year one sells 20.00.
> Thanks
>
> kdporter
> kdporter@midwest.net

kd,
Can I get the two page of the 69 Toro. My home address is
1017 Harbour Dr
Stafford, Va 22554
What do you need from me in the way of renumeration?
Thanks
Reg

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 04:17:21 -0400
Subject: Re: stalling upon burnouts

At 09:45 PM 2/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Olds-er's,
>
>When I do burnouts with my 84 Cutlass, I let off the gas and the
>motor nearly stalls out.  Why is that?  I have a totally stock 307
>with TCI Saturday Nite Special torque converter on a 350 turbo and
>shift kit.
>
>Joe Barker
>84 Cutlass Calais RWD
>
>
There are too many possible causes to list them all in a single answer.  The
most common likelyhood is fuel related.  And oddly it's more or less
juxtaposed, as it can be fuel over enrichment or fuel starvation.  The
latter is more likely than the former.

A quick reduction in throttle immediately after WOT, and you have the
possibility of a kind of fuel flow momentum that keeps providing fuel in
excessive amounts, required at WOT, but no longer required at idle.

Or the opposite condition is reached, because of insufficient fuel flow near
the end of WOT, and at idle it still has not caught up, but flow is reduced
even further because of reduced engine speed, has caused a reduction in pump
action.  Assuming stock type mechanical fuel pump.

Check fuel flow pressure at all throttle settings, especially in the case of
WOT to idle.  Check fuel filters, and rubber hoses in the line.  Assuming
that fuel pressures are OK it likely eliminates the fuel pump.  Low fuel
pressures increase the likelyhood of a defective fuel pump.

Also possible electrical problems are miriad as well, but fuel is the most
likely arena of difficulity in with the conditions described, and should be
investigated first.

The Wiz

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From: ea154@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Josh J. Haviland)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 07:51:15 -0400
Subject: Re: stalling upon burnouts

Reply to message from OLDS78442@aol.com of Wed, 12 Feb
>
>MY CAR DOES THE SAME. IT IS A 78 CUTLASS WITH A 260. I THINK IT IS THE
>CARBORATOR
>
>JASON


close! but as the last post said.. it could be a fuel problem but i'll
almost bet it is, I have a 1970 Delta 88 (350 2bbl, th400) and when i got
it it started doing this, after a new fuel pump i figured out the gas talk
pickup or something or other i can't remember exactally what it was, but i
bought a new RCI fuel cell, the car will run tracks all summer anyways so i
figured why not! and after plumbing that in (almost a nightmare in
connectors) it ran great, right now I have a broken TCS  solenoid, :(
and at certain rpm's around 1200-2500 it sounds like it's missing bad
(shrug) i'll figure it out soon tho, anyways enough rambling, if i were you
i'd check out the fuel dilevery system then the carb,

- -70 delta 88
- -79 cutlass supreme (who dosen't have one)

- --
__/////////\  Budgreen, ea154@cleveland.freenet.edu  /\\\\\\\\\__
  \\\\\\\\\/      Josh......                         \/////////
=================================================================

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From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 08:44:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Lena

 Heyyy... I didn't even think about the switch being able to work for a
TH400, do you think the same set up for a '67 Olds will work?

> I think it will. Remember that the 68-69 2 speed transmissions had a
standard torque converter while the earlier Jetaway 2 speeds (64-67) also
had the electrically controlled "switch-pitch" 2 speed torque converter, so
you may have 2 switches in the earlier cars- 1 for kickdown and 1 for the
switch-pitch.

John Pajak

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From: "Milone, Louis" <LMILONE@boundless.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:16:00 -0400
Subject: unsubscribe

unsubscribe


thanks

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:21:06 -0400
Subject: Re: 67 dual gate?

I can get a 67 GTO dual gate shifter and linkages for $100 and my old
shifter.  I have a 67 Cutless Supreme convertible that original had a
330/Jetaway.  It now has a 455/TH400.

Will the 67 dual gate fit and work correctly?

     Since the 67 GTO and Cutlass share the same GM A-body and floor pan, yes
it
     will fit and work correctly.  Does the price include the GTO console?
The
     shifter will not fit into the original 67 Cutlass console without
     significant custom fabrication, however the GTO console should also fit
the
     Cutlass.  Be sure to get all brackets and cables, including the one on
the
     transmission for the cable.  (I assume your car has a floor shift now.
If
     not, you will need to drill some holes in the floor pan.)

Is this a good deal?

     Seems reasonable, assuming it comes with the console.  The Olds and
Pontiac
     Dual Gate mechanisms are the same, only the shift lever is different -
Olds
     used a curved lever and Pontiac a straight one.

Would I be better off with the Hurst Dual Gate/2 new from someone like ASAP?

     Your call.  The new unit uses a cute little console, so you have to
decide
     which looks better in your car.

Thanks for your input.

     Glad to help.

     Joe Padavano
     jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30




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From: Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 09:52:28 -0400
Subject: Olds in the news, again

In what must be some kind of record, Olds made it
to the cover of Autoweek again, on the Feb 17th issue.

The cover shows a 1903 curved dash, 1949 Rocket 88,
and a 1998 Intrigue with the headlines:

OLDSMOBILE LIVES TO SEE 100...

 ...and Intrigue makes a bright final candle on the cake.

There are several articles on Olds in this issue, one on the
new Intrigue, a sidebar on the new general manager, another
sidebar on the 1903 Pirate racer, and another article on
the Olds Transportation Museum.

In the article on the Intrigue, the paragraph that caught
my attention was;

"What makes the Intrigue stand out in its class are the Aurora-like
muscular bulges over the wheel wells.  In a sea of slab sided
family cars, this detail gives the Intrigue presence.  When you
catch a glimpse of the sculpted sides in the rearview mirrors,
you get a sense that your driving a car of substance."

Too bad they didn't make the comparison to the muscular bulges
on the 1970 442, as the rest of the paragraph pretty much
sums up how I feel driving my car sometimes.  Of course I have a
little more HP to back up that feeling...  :-)

Anyway, several good Olds articles.  Check it out.

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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From: Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:07:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Archive Availability

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>

>     Thanks Drew and Jeff, but I can't seem to get the archives right at
>     the moment, it stalls after just a few K.  AOL is probably just busy.

When I tested it yesterday I downloaded all the files from Drews AOL
account okay.

>     Anyways, nice graphic on there (the @/ thing)!  Want to make one that
>     we can print out to put on our windows at Olds events to find each
>     other easier?

I have just the @/ symbol in black and white that would work.  If I get
some time this weekend I'll post the gif as a downloadable file.  Doesnt
look like I'll have any new archives to post anyway...

Thanks again to whoever suggested this symbol in the first place.
(I guess I should search the archives for his name huh? :-)

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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From: Matthew Butler <matthewbutler@fsd.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:13:24 -0400
Subject: Question on storing a motor -Reply

Hey!

I have a great idea of where you could put that motor.  Buy an old
jet-boat with a bad 455.  Then you'll see what storing a motor the wrong
way can do.  When I bought my boat the motor was locked.  I had to beat
one of the pistons out with a sledge hammer.  But it was left out side and
uncovered.

Drench it in WD-40.  Put it down the intake and in the exhaust.  Repeat
that process every couple of months.  I would cover the intake and
exhaust like you were talking about.  If nothing else, you won't find a
mouse has built a home in your intake!!!

Good Luck,  If you every need parts for that GTO, I know a great sorce.

Matt Butler

>>> Chris R. Smetana <Chris_R._Smetana%dadc.com@fsd.com>
02/12/97 11:44am >>>
I have a '72 Olds 455 that I spent $1500 rebuilding.  About 3 months ago it
was  pulled from the car it was in (installing original drivetrain to sell
car) and  is stored in my garage until a future project arrives to place it
in. Since I  don't have the money to buy (another) project now I was
wondering if I should  close up the combustion chamber to prevent any moisture
or anything from  getting into the engine.  It currently is minus carb, may
put duct tape over  the intake mounting area or bolt on a carb lifting plate.
Minus exhaust  manifolds, will probably duct tape up the exhaust ports on the
heads.  Minus  distributor, currently have a rag stuffed in there but will
soon have a  distributor installed.  Minus some heater valve and temp sending
unit on intake.
  The motor will be sitting for at least several more months if not a year
and  I was wondering if I should loosen the rockers to close any valves
that may be  open?  Any advice or recommendations would be greatly
appreciated as I don't  want anything to ruin this engine until I have a
chance to place it in a car I  want and see what she'll do.  Thanks in
advance.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN chris_r._smetana@dadc.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback and a '72 455 without a home (yet)

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:23:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Archive Availability

Thanks again to you and Drew for posting the archives.  I dowloaded all of
the ones from the first few months, but either my server was choking, or
AOL's server was choking on the digests.  I seem to think, considering
some of what's been happening lately, that it was the latter.  Although in
the past I've found AOL's server to be quite fast.

On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com wrote:
> Thanks again to whoever suggested this symbol in the first place.
> (I guess I should search the archives for his name huh? :-)

I believe that it was Andrew Green, definitely one of those Chicagoans
anyway as I recall.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

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From: sytsma@gzinc.com (Sytsma, Dennis)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:29:23 -0400
Subject: Olds Club of Florida and Car Show 3/23/97 Homestead Motorsports
Complex.

Hi:

I hope this message is ok to be posted here, it is about oldsmobiles and
car shows.  I hope this car show will be a great membership builder for
Olds Club of Florida in my area.

Let me invite you to attend "Speedfest 97" Ultimate Car and Truck Show
March 23 1997 at the Homestead Motorsports Complex Homestead Florida.

South Florida Motorsports Host Committee, The Greater Homestead-Florida
City Chamber of Commerce and The Tropical Everglades visitor
Association, Two Star Productions, Palm Beach  Trophies.  For
information call Dan O'Fallon 561-793-1060.

Registration time 7:00 AM to 10:00 AM Show Hours are 10AM to 4 PM. Entry
Fee is $20.00 to enter your vehicle in car show, Free Admission. No
checks.
If you are late to enter, Room for your show car may not exist in the
Pit area.  So be early if you want to enter your car in this show.

100 Dash Plaques
2 Top Ultimate Trophies
30 Ultimate Trophies
40 Show Winner Trophies
Club Participation Trophies
The Olds Club of Florida will have an area in Pit Row (I am told).

Events Include: Market Place for Vendors, Food Court, Carnival, Race Car
Display and Celebrity Appearances, Local Bands, Power Puff Tricycle Race
(Ladies Only) Cold Laps around the track, Water show on lake and Plus A
Memorabila Auction to end the day.

Homestead Motorsports complex is a new and great facility.  Visit their
homepage for a map and more information on the Homestead Motorsports
Complex.

Visit

http://www.racemiami.com

or call

305-230-5200

If you want to join Olds Club of Florida, you must be a member of Olds
Club of America.  Olds Club of America PO BOX 80318 Lansing,Michigan
48908. Phone Voice is 517-321-8825 or FAX 517-321-8770.  The Olds Club
of Florida adress is PO BOX 80 Winter Park Florida 32790-0080 Phone
Voice is 407-647-6178 Fax is 407-644-0639

I need a left front fender, left rear quarter panel, and trunk lid for
my 70 98 LS. Near South Florida if Possible.

- --
Dennis Sytsma and family,

mailto:Sytsma@Gzinc.com

or

dsytsma@dc.seflin.org

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:14:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Lena

Jonathon wrote:

> There is something to be said about doing 70 MPH in first in a stock
> automobile.  (oops...that's the abusive side of me coming out again!).

Since I have a TH400 in my 68 442, what are the speed limits that I
could
impose on each gear (3 speed automatic)?  When I had my 77 C/S I could
do
50 in First, 75 in Second, and who knows in Third.

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 10:32:17 -0400
Subject: Time Code

I have a time code of  02D for my 70 442. I thought I had a book that would
decode this, but no luck. Please decode this for me. I have done a search of
the FAQ and the archive's also but the information to decode this number is
not there. Would someone also provide the information to decode this and other
numbers to the list.

Every book I have (includeing the service manual) shows the following format
for the body and style number plate:

Example from the 70 service manual:

ST 70 33277 LAN 123456 BDY
TR 0000                12  34  PNT
     000


My plate shows somthing diffent:

                                         4        (What is this 4)
ST 7034487 E -1724      BDY       (*1 See below)
      932               48 A    PNT       (*2 See below)
02D      C08                                  (02D = date code ?)   (C08 = ?)

*1 (E = Linden NJ) Why did they use the E and not BL as the format shows? Also
should the 1724 match my VIN which is 344870E158604

*2 (932 = Dark Green buckets) (48 = Sherwood green) (A = white top)

Thanks

Bobby

70 442 (Escape Back to the......Past)

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:23:10 -0400
Subject: Oldsmobile DRCE

Greg Beaulieu said:

> I looked at this thing too. I'm confused (as usual). They talk about
> a DRCE Olds block, but it takes Chevy internals and accepts Chevy
> heads. It apparently does have a B-O-P bellhousing pattern. So what
> the heck is it, a Chevy V-8 or a Rocket V-8 or something else
> entirely. If the latter, why is it called an "Oldsmobile" engine if
> it has no relation to any engine installed in an Olds by the
> factory? Is this just another rebadged "piece of Chevelle" as Kathy
> Mattea might say?

*****
DRCE stands for Drag Race Competition Engine.  As I recall, this was
developed back about 1987 for use in Pro Stock classes by people like
Warren Johnson who were running Cutlass bodies and needed an
Oldsmobile engine with which to compete.  I have one or two articles
on this engine and its parts in my files.  I recall that it did use
quite a few Chevrolet specification parts, I presume to allow the
builder a wider choice for suppliers on the parts that would need
frequent replacement under the stresses of professional racing.  This
would definately be a high-bucks solution for an out-and-out
Oldsmobile race car, but undoubtedly much more reliable than using a
production based big block engine.  And for an unlimited class, this
engine can be built to some impressively large displacement, as I
recall.  I don't remember if that figure was 500 cubic inches, or
something closer to 600.  If y'all are interested in reading about
this engine, I can probably scan the article(s) I have, if someone
has a place we could make it available.

          ---
 ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ---    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
 --------------------------------------------------

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:39:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Stalling Upon Burnouts

Joe Barker wrote:

> Olds-er's,
>
> When I do burnouts with my 84 Cutlass, I let off the gas and the
> motor nearly stalls out.  Why is that?  I have a totally stock 307
> with TCI Saturday Nite Special torque converter on a 350 turbo and
> shift kit.

******
Joe,

Find someone who can and will rebuild your QuadraJet.  Our '79
Hurst/Olds had similar problems, plus would stumble upon wide open
throttle starts and threaten to stall on hard cornering.  When we had
the carb rebuilt to address these problems, the floats were either
replaced or given a major adjustment and both the jets and metering
rods were richened to provide better and more consistant flow.

          ---
 ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ---    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
 --------------------------------------------------

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From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:41:18 -0400
Subject: Re: 70-72 Big Block Frame Mounts

>
>
>        You do have a set of 455 engine mount brackets? If the 70's you have
>are from a 455 please reply with a price. Thanks much appreciated.
>
>Jim Chermack



Jim --

I have a set of 1970 brackets.....But now I am told that they are different
from 350's.  I looked on my W-30,  and they look the same as far as I can
tell. I can't remember if these came from a car that had a 350 or 455.
There is no number on the brakets.  I have junked out dozens of cars so I
am at a loss to what motor these came from.  I would be happy to help you
out,  but I don't want to give you a wrong part!

Tell me what to look for that makes these brakets different from each
other.  I have done a bunch of swaps with no problems.


Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-spd
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:42:52 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: GM Performance Catalogue

That alum water pump was around $200 last year. Mondello has one for around
$75. Almost can't believe that!

I don't know why a water pump would have to be emmisions certified. I guess
they are applying that statement across the board to all parts on the page or
catalog. Maybe they have off road only oil filters too!

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
    FAQ 3.0 maybe available Friday (2/14) !!!
- ------------
     Interesting stuff.  I like the looks of those Olds valve covers.  They
     would sure look nice on the H/O.  Unfortunately, they don't have PCV
     or breather holes!  I'll have to remember that alum. water pump if
     mine ever needs replacing.  It says for all "off road" oldsmobile
     V8's, I wonder why that is?  Anyone have any clues?


------------------------------

From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:48:16 -0400
Subject: Dash Qs

> I recently bought a '72 Cutlass Supreme, in excellent shape except for
> the dash board around the radio.  The last owner cut it away for a cheap
> non-original radio.  Is there a patch or repair kit for this?  I'd
> apperciate any help or advice.

Dan,

I had the same problem when I bought my '67.  After looking through Hemmings,
I ended up calling a used auto place out in Oklahoma that specializes in Cutli
(and in GTOs -- the name of the place is "The Goat Farmer of Oklahoma").

I bought a decent uncut core for $100 and had that replated and re-blacked by
a plastic chrome restorer in AZ.  Total cost was about $300 for core and
plating, but it looks *sharp* :)

FWIW....



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: Jason Beres <jberes@eagle1.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:54:36 -0400
Subject: Olds parts

WED 2/12  22:18:
        I do alot of parts chasing. If there are specific colors etc.. that
you need please give me a more detailed description of the parts you want
and I'll be happy to see if I can find you something.

Thanks,

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

___________   ---------------  ____

Jim (and anyone else out there)

I need for 1983 98 Regency 2 dr:

(1) Driver's side rear quarter panel and inner fender wall  (Everything from
door back except skirt) black and/or rust-free.

(1) Burgundy (oxblood) seat belt cover  (the plastic sleeve just beneath the
metal belt lock- attached to seat/floor)

Both right and left door armrests (vinyl cracked) burg or oxblood.

Again, Thanks!

Jason Beres

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From: jmskms@ix.netcom.com
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:51:56 -0400
Subject: Olds Club

I am thinking about joining the Olds Club of America.

What's it cost and what do you get?


Thanks,
Jonathan.


e-mail:  jmskms@ix.netcom.com
www:     www.netcom.com/~jmskms


Hey, this IS my father's Oldsmobile...Ya got a problem with that sis??

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From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:55:57 -0400
Subject: RE: Automotive Formulas

With the recent interest in Bowlings page of automotive formulas you may
also find some useful utilities in Comp Cams cam selection program.  It
is downloadable from www.compcams.com

Al


  http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 04:18:45 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: stalling upon burnouts

     You can do a burnout with a 260?!?  I never could with my '79 260.  I
     think once I got a one-wheel burnout that lasted maybe a second :-)


______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: stalling upon burnouts Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    2/12/97 6:52 PM


MY CAR DOES THE SAME. IT IS A 78 CUTLASS WITH A 260. I THINK IT IS THE
CARBORATOR

JASON


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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 12:44:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Club

On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 jmskms@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> I am thinking about joining the Olds Club of America.
>
> What's it cost and what do you get?
> Thanks,
> Jonathan.

I just got my renewal reminder in the mail this week. For USA residents
the dues are $30/yr 3rd class mail, $40/yr 1st class. The main thing you
receive is the monthly magazine, "Journey With Olds". Some interesting
articles, and really useful classifieds, great for finding parts. Members
can place free classifieds. You also get "Olds Today", a dealer newspaper
produced by the Olds division. And if you were a member last year, you
would have received a free copy of "Setting The Pace", a really nice
hardcover book on the 100 years of Oldsmobile.

The club offers contact people who you can deal with for info on specific
models as well.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 04:04:08 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: GM Performance Catalogue

     Yeah, I figured that, but emissions from a water pump?!?  The way I
     see it, a water pump is a water pump.  It either pumps enough water to
     cool the engine and does it's job, or it doesn't and the engine
     overheats.  There ain't a whole lot of leeway there. . .


______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: GM Performance Catalogue
Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    2/12/97 5:36 PM


>     mine ever needs replacing.  It says for all "off road" oldsmobile
>     V8's, I wonder why that is?  Anyone have any clues?

For 'off road' use the emissions need not comply with the standards, as it
is not a licensed vehicle!

And hency quite likely illegal to use on a licensed vehicle.

The Wiz



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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 05:06:53 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Archive Availability

     That would be me I believe, and no problem, you're welcome.  Not that
     I consider it a stoke of genius or anything like that, it's a pretty
     simple symbol that someone else probably would have thought of if I
     didn't.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Archive Availability Author:
Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    2/13/97 6:22 AM

I have just the @/ symbol in black and white that would work.  If I get
some time this weekend I'll post the gif as a downloadable file.  Doesnt
look like I'll have any new archives to post anyway...

Thanks again to whoever suggested this symbol in the first place.
(I guess I should search the archives for his name huh? :-)

- -Jeff

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:26:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Archive Availability

OOOPS, sorry Tom, I thought it was Adrew Green!  Good idea!  This can be
of good use to everyone I think.  If anybody goes to a car show, or to the
100th. anniv. or whatever, a printout would identify list members.  I know
if I see anybody anywhere, I'd stop to talk!  Maybe we could even make
window stickers or something --ok, sorry, I was getting a little bit
carried away there.

Clayaton Piterce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Tom Lentz wrote:

>
>      That would be me I believe, and no problem, you're welcome.  Not that
>      I consider it a stoke of genius or anything like that, it's a pretty
>      simple symbol that someone else probably would have thought of if I
>      didn't.
>
>      Tom Lentz
>      tlentz@teknon.com
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ > Subject: Re: Archive Availability >
Author:  Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET > Date:    2/13/97 6:22 AM > >
I have just the @/ symbol in black and white that would work.  If I get >
some time this weekend I'll post the gif as a downloadable file.  Doesnt >
look like I'll have any new archives to post anyway... > > Thanks again
to whoever suggested this symbol in the first place. > (I guess I should
search the archives for his name huh? :-) > > -Jeff > >

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 11:34:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Time Code

>I have a time code of  02D for my 70 442. I thought I had a book that would
>decode this, but no luck. Please decode this for me. I have done a search of

02  is the month.  In this case Feb.
D   is the week in the month.  In this case the fourth week.

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 06:09:40 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Olds Club

     I was a member all last year (Jan-96 to Jan-97) and I have never
     received my copy of Setting the Pace.  I ended my membership for
     several reasons, not getting the book was part of it, but mostly
     because I didn't think the magazine was worth it for me since I'm
     mostly interested in later models.  I didn't get two issues of JWO,
     but they did resend me the two issues after I let them know.  The
     Puget Sound OCA chapter is dead as far as I can tell, I've written
     twice asking for member information with no response.  Aside from that
     there is absolutely *no* OCA action in this part of the country.  The
     national meets are all too far away for me, and always near the East
     Coast.  That meant the sole benefit for me was JWO, which simply
     didn't have enough relevant content for me to justify the cost.

     I'm still a member of the H/OCA though.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Olds Club Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    2/13/97 9:06 AM


On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 jmskms@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> I am thinking about joining the Olds Club of America.
>
> What's it cost and what do you get?
> Thanks,
> Jonathan.

I just got my renewal reminder in the mail this week. For USA residents
the dues are $30/yr 3rd class mail, $40/yr 1st class. The main thing you
receive is the monthly magazine, "Journey With Olds". Some interesting
articles, and really useful classifieds, great for finding parts. Members
can place free classifieds. You also get "Olds Today", a dealer newspaper
produced by the Olds division. And if you were a member last year, you
would have received a free copy of "Setting The Pace", a really nice
hardcover book on the 100 years of Oldsmobile.

The club offers contact people who you can deal with for info on specific
models as well.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada




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From: Dan Bennett <DBennett@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:17:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Dash Qs

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
>
> > I recently bought a '72 Cutlass Supreme, in excellent shape except for
> > the dash board around the radio.  The last owner cut it away for a cheap
> > non-original radio.  Is there a patch or repair kit for this?  I'd
> > apperciate any help or advice.
>
> Dan,
>
> I had the same problem when I bought my '67.  After looking through
Hemmings, > I ended up calling a used auto place out in Oklahoma that
specializes in Cutli > (and in GTOs -- the name of the place is "The Goat
Farmer of Oklahoma"). > > I bought a decent uncut core for $100 and had that
replated and re-blacked by > a plastic chrome restorer in AZ.  Total cost was
about $300 for core and plating, > but it looks *sharp* :) > > FWIW.... > >
Tim Churchill > ------------- > '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible,
a.k.a. 'Big Red' > '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen' > '91
Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

This sounds great.. Would you have that Arizona plastic chrome restorers
name and address.   I live in AZ. and while our metal is always in good
shape, our plastic,rubber, and fabric takes a beating from the Sun.
Thanks for the tip and the info if you still have it.
- --
Dan Bennett
1972 Cutlass Supreme
dbennett@asu.edu

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 14:59:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Olds Club

At 06:09 AM 2/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>     I was a member all last year (Jan-96 to Jan-97) and I have never
>     received my copy of Setting the Pace.  I ended my membership for
>     several reasons, not getting the book was part of it, but mostly
>     because I didn't think the magazine was worth it for me since I'm
>     mostly interested in later models.  I didn't get two issues of JWO,
>     but they did resend me the two issues after I let them know.

You ought to yell at somebody about not getting the book.

>      The
>     Puget Sound OCA chapter is dead as far as I can tell, I've written
>     twice asking for member information with no response.  Aside from that
>     there is absolutely *no* OCA action in this part of the country.  The
>     national meets are all too far away for me, and always near the East
>     Coast.  That meant the sole benefit for me was JWO, which simply
>     didn't have enough relevant content for me to justify the cost.

I'm sorry to hear that your local chapter seems to be out of business.

I'm involved with our local (mid-Ohio) chapter, and we often discuss the
locations of national meets.  It's unfortunate for you west coasters, but
the center of mass of the OCA membership population is in the midwest, and
I think that the folks assigning the locations of the national meets try to
pick places that will benefit the most members.  But there are lot of
members in California, and it would seem that the national meet could be
held out there some time.  And the 1999 meet will be in Texas, which is
getting closer to the west coast (but it sure ain't close to Washington
state!).  Also, meets are held at the locations they are because local
chapters propose to the national organization to hold it in their locale.
The North Texas chapter proposed to hold it in their area in 1999, and they
got it.  The Illinois Valley chapter proposed for 1998, and it's being held
there (in Springfield, Illinois).  Our chapter has entertained thoughts of
proposing to hold it in central Ohio in 2000, which would be 10 years after
the last time it was held here.  (I don't know if we will ultimately
propose to do so.)

The NAOC (National Antique Olds Club) has similar problems with holding
their meets out west.  It seems that every third national meet of the NAOC
is in West Virginia, although they had a national meet in Prescott, Arizona
a few years ago and one in Illinois recently.  Again, the issue is where
are the people located who are willing to do the work to put on a meet.



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Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 06:03:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Lena

>> There is something to be said about doing 70 MPH in first in a stock
>> automobile.  (oops...that's the abusive side of me coming out again!).
>
>Since I have a TH400 in my 68 442, what are the speed limits that I
>could
>impose on each gear (3 speed automatic)?

Well 5000 rpm or so is prolly the highest you'd want the engine to spin on a
regular basis.  So when the tach says 5 grand whatever the speedometer sez
is your top speed in that gear.  It can be determined mathmatically, but it
depends a whole lot on tire size and rearend ratio.  Fer instance, if you
could go 50 in first with a 3.08 final drive, you will only get up to 44 if
you change to a 3.5 final drive.

FWIW.  A TH400 has a low gear ratio of 2.48 and a second of 1.48.  The two
speed trans had a low gear of something like 1.48, which is why they'd go so
darn fast in first.  (My dad used to have a `64 El C*mino with the little
ch*vy V-8 (283?),  It had crane anti-pumpup lifters and a hot cam, and would
run 90 in first with the powerglide.)

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser

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