
oldsmobile-digest        Thursday, 13 February 1997     Volume 01 : Number 517

Brake question
"Off Road" Waterpump
My Classic Car Challenge
Anyone ever get their beast in a movie?
Re: Anyone ever get their beast in a movie?
Re: Brake question
DRCE RACovers
Re: stalling upon burnouts
Re: Old olds adds
Olds DRCE
Re: The Meaning of 442
Re: Oldsmobile DRCE
Re: Olds Club
Re: "Off Road" Waterpump
Wiring
Re: Old olds adds
1956 Oldsmobile
Re: stalling upon burnouts
Re: Wiring
Re: Olds parts
Re: Wiring
Re: Anyone ever get their beast in a movie?
Re: Wiring
My Classic Car, Knee Action, etc.
Year One Wiring Harness
Re: Stalling Upon Burnouts^
Re: Wiring
Re: Olds Club
Re: Olds parts
Re: My Classic Car Challenge
Tire size calculator...
Re: Re[2]: Olds Club
Olds parts
Re: My Classic Car Challenge
Re: Anyone ever get their beast in a movie?
Re: Olds Club
Re(2): Olds Ads
Re: Olds parts
Re(2): Leaking Lena
Re: Brake question
Re: Olds DRCE
Re: My Classic Car, Knee Action, etc.
Re: Oldsmobile DRCE
Chicago 442

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From: Jar Lyons <jarl@xactlabs.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:35:40 -0400
Subject: Brake question

The first cutlass I had was a 71 hardtop.  It was a hand-me-down
that got handed down through half the family before it died.

Anyway, I was always impressed at the braking power it had.

One tap on the pedal and it would stop on a dime, er ... it would
lock up, anyway  (it performed that way for at least 6-8 years).

Now that I've got my own machine, I've noticed that the brakes
are significantly less responsive on mine, even tho I recently had the
rear shoes redone and the diaphragm (big thingy up by the firewall)
replaced (they told me the fronts looked fine).  It actually feels
as tho I've got manual brakes.

As far as I can tell, the configuration of the vehicles is
the same: front discs, rear shoes, power ...

Is there any balancing adjustment that determines how much
fluid pressure goes to the front vs back?

Any ideas on the difference?
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600 University Street, Suite 911
Seattle, WA  98101
Voice: (206) 749-2914,
Fax:   (206) 382-6615
- ------------------------------------------------------------------
                1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass Convertible
                       455 Rocket Powered
                'How fast do you want to go today?'
- ------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:14:55 -0400
Subject: "Off Road" Waterpump

Tom Lentz said:

> Yeah, I figured that, but emissions from a water pump?!?  The way
> I see it, a water pump is a water pump.  It either pumps enough
> water to cool the engine and does it's job, or it doesn't and the
> engine overheats.  There ain't a whole lot of leeway there. . .

*****
Is it possible that this is the special water pump for the DRCE
engine that we've also been talking about?  That engine probably
takes a quite non-standard water pump, alot of the other parts for it
are made of aluminum too, and it is definately not a street-legal
motor (although it would be fun until continuous use caused it to
either melt down, or blow up).

I think that y'all are also talking about the cast aluminum rocker
covers for this engine, which have a very attractive Oldsmobile
script on them, as I recall.  If that's the case, they don't fit
stock a stock engine either.  I'll try to pull my information on the
DRCE out of the files tonight and post some information about it here
tomorrow.

          ---
 ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ---    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:49:54 -0400
Subject: My Classic Car Challenge

I just looked at the results so far.  We are tied with the bowtie.  The
note under the results reads, "Look at the Chevy and the Olds - As of
Thursday morning, it's a brand new race!"

Since I have an internet connection at home as well as work I will be
voting a second time tonight.  This contest only allows one vote per
e-mail address.  So come on, double up if you can and help the Rocket
soar to new heights.


Dave (vote early and vote often) Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: Jar Lyons <jarl@xactlabs.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:18:09 -0400
Subject: Anyone ever get their beast in a movie?

Considering all the advertising and movies that are
targeted to the baby boomer generation (e.g.
the Jack in the Box clown driving the GTO)
does anyone know anything about renting a car
to commercial / movie houses?

Any ideas, opinions?


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600 University Street, Suite 911
Seattle, WA  98101
Voice: (206) 749-2914,
Fax:   (206) 382-6615
- ------------------------------------------------------------------
                1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass Convertible
                       455 Rocket Powered
                'How fast do you want to go today?'
- ------------------------------------------------------------------

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:47:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone ever get their beast in a movie?

On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Jar Lyons wrote:
> Considering all the advertising and movies that are
> targeted to the baby boomer generation (e.g.
> the Jack in the Box clown driving the GTO)
> does anyone know anything about renting a car
> to commercial / movie houses?
>
> Any ideas, opinions?

Well, last year I was contacted by a movie production company that was
shooting a film here. Someone told them about my '64 Skylark convertible
and they thought it would be a good ride for the female lead in the film.
They wouldn't tell me in advance who the actress would be and I never did
find out because the deal fell through (the writer insisted on a GTO
convertible and they eventually found one), but they were talking about
$300 a day for use of the car and promised they would provide all
insurance, etc. They inspected the car and described it as almost exactly
what they were looking for (except that it wasn't a GTO), and I had to
leave some pictures of it for the producer. That reminds me, I never did
get those back! I don't know the title of the movie or if it even has
been released... something like "Comet at Sunrise, Comet at Dawn", I'm
not sure.

I was a little unsure and I still don't know if I would have done it. I
would have needed to take the time off work because I wouldn't just leave
the car in their hands, and I wanted to observe how they treated it. And
of course I would have needed to carefully check out the type of insurance
they proposed. But still, $1000 or so for a few days work isn't bad and it
would have been neat to see the car on screen. Of course, if the female
lead was someone like Elisabeth Shue I probably would have loaned her the
car for free... ;-)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:46:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Brake question

Jar Lyons wrote:
>
> The first cutlass I had was a 71 hardtop.  It was a hand-me-down
> that got handed down through half the family before it died.
>
> Anyway, I was always impressed at the braking power it had.
>
> One tap on the pedal and it would stop on a dime, er ... it would
> lock up, anyway  (it performed that way for at least 6-8 years).
>
> Now that I've got my own machine, I've noticed that the brakes
> are significantly less responsive on mine, even tho I recently had the
> rear shoes redone and the diaphragm (big thingy up by the firewall)
> replaced (they told me the fronts looked fine).  It actually feels
> as tho I've got manual brakes.
>
> As far as I can tell, the configuration of the vehicles is
> the same: front discs, rear shoes, power ...
>
> Is there any balancing adjustment that determines how much
> fluid pressure goes to the front vs back?
>
> Any ideas on the difference?
> --
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> (FREE Trial) Atrieva Internet Backup Service http://www.atrieva.com
>
> Jar Lyons
> jarl@xactlabs.com
> XactLabs  (www.xactlabs.com)
> 600 University Street, Suite 911
> Seattle, WA  98101
> Voice: (206) 749-2914,
> Fax:   (206) 382-6615
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>                 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass Convertible
>                        455 Rocket Powered
>                 'How fast do you want to go today?'
> ------------------------------------------------------------------


Jar, I assume when you say that it feels like you have manual brakes,
you mean that the pedal is stiff. If this is the case I would suspect
the brake booster, even if it had been redone. If the booster is ok, but
the pedal still feels hard, then I would inspect the adjustment on the
shoes, sounds like they are adjusted out too far. What kind of shoes are
you running? Riveted or bonded? Bonded shoes suffer from heat fade a lot
worse than riveted ones, causing a condition where it seems like you are
pressing on the pedal firmly but getting no brake response. Also check
your drum thickness, drums that have been turned or worned too far will
suffer from heat fade also. Hope this helps.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:54:57 -0400
Subject: DRCE RACovers

>I think that y'all are also talking about the cast aluminum rocker
>covers for this engine, which have a very attractive Oldsmobile
>script on them, as I recall.  If that's the case, they don't fit
>stock a stock engine either.

They have several aluminum RACovers available.  One fits the "DRCE cylinder
head's unique bolt pattern", one fits SB Che*y heads (the covers have the
Oldsmobile name cast into them), one that fits "all production 307-455
Oldsmobile V8s", and an extra tall one that fits "GM small block V8s
equipped with factory or aftermarket cylinder heads".

- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:59:01 -0400
Subject: Re: stalling upon burnouts

>Olds-er's,
>
>When I do burnouts with my 84 Cutlass, I let off the gas and the
>motor nearly stalls out.  Why is that?  I have a totally stock 307
>with TCI Saturday Nite Special torque converter on a 350 turbo and
>shift kit.
>
Maybe put a dashpot on the throttle?  That way it doesn't slam shut and die.
You might just up the idle a bit?


>MY CAR DOES THE SAME. IT IS A 78 CUTLASS WITH A 260. I THINK IT IS THE
>CARBORATOR

>JASON
          Just curious, here.  Does it do it after burnouts?  I ask because
I remember ~my~ 260, and I ~DON'T~ remember burnouts.....   :)

>     You can do a burnout with a 260?!?  I never could with my '79 260.  I
>     think once I got a one-wheel burnout that lasted maybe a second :-)

Yeah, then the ice melted...  :)

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:59:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Old olds adds

>	Thats all the olds adds i have.I got a hold of every LOOK mag.from
>64-72.Some of you might remember this mag.it is the same size as Life
>mag.I would like to get rid of these adds if anybody is enterested,i
>will give most of them away you pay for the shipping.
>I also have a 67 cutlass assembly manual,the one year one sells 20.00.
>Thanks
>
How about finding a good scanner you could use?  Then you could send them to
Bryce, or someone else, and post them on a page.


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:59:04 -0400
Subject: Olds DRCE

>I looked at this thing too. I'm confused (as usual). They talk about a
>DRCE Olds block, but it takes Chevy internals and accepts Chevy heads. It
>apparently does have a B-O-P bellhousing pattern. So what the heck is it,
>a Chevy V-8 or a Rocket V-8 or something else entirely. If the latter,
>why is it called an "Oldsmobile" engine if it has no relation to any
>engine installed in an Olds by the factory? Is this just another rebadged
>"piece of Chevelle" as Kathy Mattea might say?
>

     "In effect, this team has redesigned its sister division's legendary
Rat motor and eliminated all of the engine's built in weaknesses that racers
have had to live with for years.  With the less desireable features of the
big-block Chevro*et motor eliminated and a host of competition-proven
improvements built-in, Oldsmobile's newest and most powerful Rocket-now
known as the Olds DRCE (Drag Racing Competition Engine)-comes very close to
being a bulletproof piece.
     "All of these advances were accomplished by designing and manufacturing
only two fresh castings:  one new cylinder block and one new cylinder head.
When you think about it, this approach makes perfect sense.  Nobody is
really ready to produce camshafts and crankshafts for an all-new engine,
especially in a limited amount of time.  So why not design a fresh block
around existing race proven components.
     "...Aside from the fresh block and heads, everything in the engine is
straight off the shelf at GMPD(General Motors Parts Division)..."

     This is all quoted from an article in my "Olds in action" the legendary
(and apparantly) only issue in existance...  It's from 1984.

     Aside from the distastes of putting ch*vy parts in an Olds, I think the
idea has plenty of merit.  As stated, they've eliminated all the bad
qualities (including shaving off the name...) and it's all encased in Olds,
so why not?  Hell, we just as well steal their weapons, they can't make them
right anyway!  :)  We've always wonderred what things would be like if we
had the opportunity and choice of aftermarket components that the ch*vy boys
have...  Here's the chance I guess...  With the capacity to displace between
350 and 650 cubic inches, I don't see any problems with the idea :)


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 16:58:57 -0400
Subject: Re: The Meaning of 442

>I have read that 442 (probably post 1964) stood for:
>
>4- 400
>4- 4-Barrel
>2- Dual Exhaust
>
I've always known it as the 4Spd 4Bbl 2 Exhaust, but I'd heard in the past
rumours of 4 spd 4 bbl 2 bucket seats.  No matter how you add it up, it's
still a perfect 10...  (Don't recall who noticed ~that~ math, but I like it!)



      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:44:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile DRCE

I saw one of those b*stard engines in a Willys gasser at a Good Guys
meet.  The owners of the car were quick to point out that they were
running a blown Olds, just like the old days.  In reality it is a big
block Ch*vy and nothing more.  Someone else said it came from the pro
stock ranks and they are correct.  The engine looks just like your
average rat motor and does not look anything like the Olds engines we
know and love.  I was dissapointed in Olds for letting that happen, but
in retrospect, it was only the beginning of worse things to come.

What about the small block Olds race engine, isn't it a glorified ch*vy
also?

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2 (with a genuine Rocket)

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 13:55:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Club

In my misguided heathen youth I was a member of two bowtie and one blue
oval type clubs.  They offered the same type of magazine, classifieds,
and other benefits as the OCA for similar money.  In comparasin the OCA
is a good as value as it gets.  Yes I shunned what I new to be the true
calling, but I saw the error in my ways.  Now that I have seen the
light, I will not stray from the flock.

And if you do not think Oldsmobiles qualify as a religious experience,
come take a ride with me someday.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:53:38 -0400
Subject: Re: "Off Road" Waterpump

> Is it possible that this is the special water pump for the DRCE
> engine that we've also been talking about?  That engine probably
> takes a quite non-standard water pump, alot of the other parts

The aluminum alloy waterpump can be used "on all off-highway 307-455ci
production Oldsmobile V8 engines."  I guess we can just drive on the
shoulder.

Kevin Wong

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:56:37 -0400
Subject: Wiring

I recently acquired an underhood light for my Olds.  It has never had one.
The circuit that the light wires into is supposed to be the parking lights,
which, I believe, is a brown wire.  Should the plug for the wire already be
under the hood?  I can't find it.  The one for the trunk light I put in the
car was already there, so I assumed the one for the hood light would be.
Will it be coming out of the big fuse block plug on the front of the firewall?

- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: <rantdp01@holmes.ipfw.indiana.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 17:59:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Old olds adds

i would be interested in any 68 toro adds you have.

dan

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From: "R.B. Short" <rbshort@barnessmithlewis.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:02:36 -0400
Subject: 1956 Oldsmobile

    I'm installing factory air from a "donor" parts car into my 1956 =
Olds Holiday Sedan. The only missing part, and one I haven't been able =
to locate, is the "Air Manifold" under the dash. This part is a box =
affair which must have been made of a cardboard-like material (similar =
to the glove box, probably), to which the air ducts from the firewall =
attached. Cold air from the unit, mounted on the firewall under the =
hood, was ducted under the dash to this air manifold. The air was then =
directed from this air manifold down toward the floor and out, through =
more ducts, to the round registers mounted in each end of the dash. =
There may have been a little chromo trim vent on the "mouth" of this =
manifold where downward air came out. This manifold also had a "mouth" =
which attached to the outlet in the center of the dash, right under the =
glove box (this outlet is part of the air conditioner control unit).
    I'm guessing this part was made from cardboard because I have never =
seen one survive. Several people with original air conditioned cars said =
they only found a few pieces of scrap, which appeared to be a cardboard =
material, under the dash where this thing would have mounted.
    If anyone has one of these, can send photos of one, can describe =
one, can supply one, etc. please let me know. The shop manual and parts =
book only show part of this piece, but not quite enough to build a =
really accurate version of one.
    Thanks for any help !!

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From: olivier thibault <olivier@9bit.qc.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:16:37 -0400
Subject: Re: stalling upon burnouts

Tom Lentz wrote:
>
>      You can do a burnout with a 260?!?  I never could with my '79 260.  I
>      think once I got a one-wheel burnout that lasted maybe a second :-)
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
> Subject: Re: stalling upon burnouts
> Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET
> Date:    2/12/97 6:52 PM
>
> MY CAR DOES THE SAME. IT IS A 78 CUTLASS WITH A 260. I THINK IT IS THE
> CARBORATOR
>
> JASON
>
I have a 1976 delta 88 royale whit a 455
I can do burnout whit mine but if i put the gaz at max rate my car will
almost
stop running!
I think its my 2e carburator who need tunning!

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:17:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Wiring

At 05:56 PM 2/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I recently acquired an underhood light for my Olds.  It has never had one.
>The circuit that the light wires into is supposed to be the parking lights,
>which, I believe, is a brown wire.  Should the plug for the wire already be
>under the hood?  I can't find it.  The one for the trunk light I put in the
>car was already there, so I assumed the one for the hood light would be.
>Will it be coming out of the big fuse block plug on the front of the
firewall? > >-- >Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass
Supreme >Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
>dpauliso@gate.net >

Dave
                The wire is there and should be able to be found by looking
around the brake booster area and near the back side of the inner fender.
The connector is already on it.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442>

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From: olivier thibault <olivier@9bit.qc.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:19:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds parts

Jason Beres wrote:
>
> WED 2/12  22:18:
>         I do alot of parts chasing. If there are specific colors etc.. that
> you need please give me a more detailed description of the parts you want
> and I'll be happy to see if I can find you something.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Chermack
> 70 Cutlass SX W-32
> 72 442
>
> ___________   ---------------  ____
>
> Jim (and anyone else out there)
>
> I need for 1983 98 Regency 2 dr:
>
> (1) Driver's side rear quarter panel and inner fender wall  (Everything
from door back except skirt) black and/or rust-free.
>
> (1) Burgundy (oxblood) seat belt cover  (the plastic sleeve just beneath
the metal belt lock- attached to seat/floor)
>
> Both right and left door armrests (vinyl cracked) burg or oxblood.
>
> Again, Thanks!
>
> Jason Beres

I know where u can find the armrests!
they are burg!

Olivier
76 delta 88 royale

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:24:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Wiring

On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Dave Paulison wrote:
> I recently acquired an underhood light for my Olds.  It has never had one.
> The circuit that the light wires into is supposed to be the parking lights,
> which, I believe, is a brown wire.  Should the plug for the wire already be
> under the hood?  I can't find it.  The one for the trunk light I put in the
> car was already there, so I assumed the one for the hood light would be.
> Will it be coming out of the big fuse block plug on the front of the
firewall?

Hi Dave!

I went through the same thing. It logically should be coming out of the
connector block down on the firewall behind the power brake booster but I
couldn't find one on mine either, so I just wired it direct to the hot
lead on the horn relay so it comes on whenever I open the hood thanks to
the little merc switch inside. Much later on I discovered the lead I
needed all along. It was inside the car under the dash near the fuse
block. Apparently they left it inside the car if there wasn't an underhood
light installed by the factory. I haven't gotten around to somehow getting
that connector through the firewall grommet and into the engine bay so
it's wired into the parking light circuits. As we discussed here a while
back, I'm not sure that's a logical design anyway!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:23:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone ever get their beast in a movie?

At 04:47 PM 2/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Jar Lyons wrote:
>> Considering all the advertising and movies that are
>> targeted to the baby boomer generation (e.g.
>> the Jack in the Box clown driving the GTO)
>> does anyone know anything about renting a car
>> to commercial / movie houses?
>>
>> Any ideas, opinions?
>
I had a friend of mine that has had a couple of cars in a movie and also
found the 70 Cutlass Supreme convertible that was in the movie "Navy Seals".
Yeh the one that got totaled as they ran it off a flatbed car hauler. It was
junk after that. His personal '76 Cadillac Eldorado Conv. was used in some
Kung Fu movie and had some $4500.00 in damage after the scenes of a fight
took place in the car, breaking his $700 parade boot. He was not told of the
impending scene the car would be in. They did however give him $450.00 a day
and paid to have the car repaired. He said he would never do it again.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@FairIsaac.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:25:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Wiring

Dave,
There should be a wire which has lights-on dependent power which is used
to power this light. On my 98 it hangs right out of the fuse box by
the driver's left foot. If it's not there for your cutlass check the part
of the harness that comes out of the light switch, there should be a
connection there.

hope my knowledge isn't too big car specific to help
cf

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:40:25 -0400
Subject: My Classic Car, Knee Action, etc.

I revisited the MCC web page a couple of times today. The '56 Olds now
has a couple of extra votes... ;-)

They have a page of pictures of viewer's cars. I looked at it all the way
back to November (they change it weekly) and didn't see a single
Oldsmobile! I sent them the pic of mine that's on Bryceman's page, and
I'd suggest that others do the same. I'm surprised the Toro guys haven't
flooded them yet... ;-)

Finally, I've been posting a lot today, the reason being that I'm laid up
after a trip to the human garage (a.k.a. hospital) yesterday for knee
surgery. Ugh. Anyway, since I can't get around I'm spending lots of time
surfing online so that explains all the posts.

I suggested to the knee surgeon while I was on the table yesterday (they
did it with a spinal block instead of a general anaesthetic so I was awake
and babbling the whole time) that he install a zerk fitting on the knee
for future maintenance (I found that wildly hilarious in my state of mind
at the time; not sure they knew what I was talking about), and when they
said they were shooting some xylocaine in there to freeze it after they
were done, I told them to try a little WD-40 instead... he looked at me
like I was crazy both times (well, I *was* suffering from minor delerium
at the moment) :) Now I know how a front suspension that needs grease must
feel! I must be spending way too much time around cars these days if it's
that deeply ingrained into my subconscious...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:43:01 -0400
Subject: Year One Wiring Harness

Does anyone know who makes the wiring harnesses for Year One?  Year
One wants $109 for the Main Engine Harness for a '72 Cutlass.  Does
anyone know where they can be bought for less?  Thanks.

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

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From: "JOSEPH_W. BARKER" <BARKERJO@mailserv1.ferris.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:59:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Stalling Upon Burnouts^

Tom,

I was thinking of maybe putting a pre-computer Quadrajet on the
motor.  The carb has been recently rebuilt by a reputable mechanic
who has done work for me on Q-Jets before and he still can't get it
going properly.  It stumbles bad upon WOT and backfires through the
exhaust upon warmup.  I was wondering if the carb is nothing but junk
and maybe putting an older Q-Jet on it that I know is good would
work well.  Some others have suggested retarded cam timing (which is
believable in Olds motors) or a new fuel pump or filter.  I have put
both on it and the fuel pressure before the carb is approx 4.5-6 psi
at idle and remains the same throughout the RPM range.  I'm about
ready to stop dinking with this carb and trying a different one.  The
motor only has about 10,000 miles on it so it should really be a
decent runner.

Joe Barker
84 Cutlass Calais RWD

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:03:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Wiring

Dave,
I can't remember where the 69 wire is, but the 70 thru 72 is a brown wire that
 comes from the depths of the harness and is usually found on the bottom
drivers side of the brake booster. Hope this helps.

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com

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From: Dennis Sytsma <dsytsma@dc.seflin.org>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:04:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Club

Price depends on your status and location and mail method.
cheapest is $30.00 per year to $60.00 per year
call them for more  info
voice 517-321-8825
fax   517-321-8770

For that you get a glossy magizence every month and club support.
You can also join a local chapter.


Dennis J. Sytsma

dsytsma@dc.seflin.org


On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 jmskms@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> I am thinking about joining the Olds Club of America.
>
> What's it cost and what do you get?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Jonathan.
>
>
> e-mail:  jmskms@ix.netcom.com
> www:     www.netcom.com/~jmskms
>
>
> Hey, this IS my father's Oldsmobile...Ya got a problem with that sis??
>

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From: Dennis Sytsma <dsytsma@dc.seflin.org>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:06:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds parts

I need a left front fender, left rear quarter panel, and trunk lid for 70
98 LS gold or anything
Homestead Florida


Dennis J. Sytsma

dsytsma@dc.seflin.org


On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Jason Beres wrote:

> WED 2/12  22:18:
>         I do alot of parts chasing. If there are specific colors etc.. that
> you need please give me a more detailed description of the parts you want
> and I'll be happy to see if I can find you something.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Chermack
> 70 Cutlass SX W-32
> 72 442
>
> ___________   ---------------  ____
>
> Jim (and anyone else out there)
>
> I need for 1983 98 Regency 2 dr:
>
> (1) Driver's side rear quarter panel and inner fender wall  (Everything
from door back except skirt) black and/or rust-free.
>
> (1) Burgundy (oxblood) seat belt cover  (the plastic sleeve just beneath
the metal belt lock- attached to seat/floor)
>
> Both right and left door armrests (vinyl cracked) burg or oxblood.
>
> Again, Thanks!
>
> Jason Beres
>
>

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From: katana72@juno.com (Robert F Turner)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:11:54 -0400
Subject: Re: My Classic Car Challenge

On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:49:54 -0400 david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.com>
writes:
>I just looked at the results so far.  We are tied with the bowtie.
>The
>note under the results reads, "Look at the Chevy and the Olds - As of
>Thursday morning, it's a brand new race!"
>
>Since I have an internet connection at home as well as work I will be
>voting a second time tonight.  This contest only allows one vote per
>e-mail address.  So come on, double up if you can and help the Rocket
>soar to new heights.
>
>
>Dave (vote early and vote often) Wyatt
>70  4-4-2
>
>
What's this e-mail address??
Rob Turner

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From: "Bruce D. Brumm" <bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:17:39 -0400
Subject: Tire size calculator...

All:
  Got this from my DeTomaso Pantera list I also subscribe to.
I thought that the tire-size calculator would be of use to those
who need to know....

- ----------------------------------
>http://www.tirerack.com/ has a very comprehensive listing
>(and prices) of the tyres that they sell.

http://www.powerdog.com/tiresize.cgi has a tyre-size calculator.
This is very useful for calculating tyre diameters and widths,
especially if you dont want you car toooo looooowwww.
Here is what I calculated for some "common" tyre sizes:

Specification Sidewall Radius Diameter Circumference Revolutions Difference
- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
   225/50-15    4.4"   11.9"   23.9"    75.0"         845/mile    0.0%
   285/50-15    5.6"   13.1"   26.2"    82.4"         769/mile    9.9%
   305/50-15    6.0"   13.5"   27.0"    84.8"         747/mile   13.2%
   345/35-16    4.8"   12.8"   25.5"    80.1"         791/mile    6.9%
   345/35-17    4.8"   13.3"   26.5"    83.3"         761/mile   11.1%

Yeah, I know, the units are Imperial.  And I spell tyre correctly too!

- ----------------------------------
Happy Oldsmobiling!

Bruce D. Brumm
'86 Salon -307, rally pk, t-tops, etc.
'84 Supreme -307 - for sale!!! cheap!!!
bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com

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From: Dennis Sytsma <dsytsma@dc.seflin.org>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:15:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Olds Club

Sorry to hear that you have those problems. I suggest you do something
about it, like become the chapter president and fix the problem. That
takes time I realize, but you reap whatr you sow.

Olds Club of Florida it very active!


Dennis J. Sytsma

dsytsma@dc.seflin.org


On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Daniel A. Gulino wrote:

> At 06:09 AM 2/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >
> >     I was a member all last year (Jan-96 to Jan-97) and I have never
> >     received my copy of Setting the Pace.  I ended my membership for
> >     several reasons, not getting the book was part of it, but mostly
> >     because I didn't think the magazine was worth it for me since I'm
> >     mostly interested in later models.  I didn't get two issues of JWO,
> >     but they did resend me the two issues after I let them know.
>
> You ought to yell at somebody about not getting the book.
>
> >      The
> >     Puget Sound OCA chapter is dead as far as I can tell, I've written
> >     twice asking for member information with no response.  Aside from that
 > >     there is absolutely *no* OCA action in this part of the country.
The > >     national meets are all too far away for me, and always near the
East > >     Coast.  That meant the sole benefit for me was JWO, which simply
 > >     didn't have enough relevant content for me to justify the cost. > >
I'm sorry to hear that your local chapter seems to be out of business. > >
I'm involved with our local (mid-Ohio) chapter, and we often discuss the >
locations of national meets.  It's unfortunate for you west coasters, but >
the center of mass of the OCA membership population is in the midwest, and > I
think that the folks assigning the locations of the national meets try to >
pick places that will benefit the most members.  But there are lot of >
members in California, and it would seem that the national meet could be >
held out there some time.  And the 1999 meet will be in Texas, which is >
getting closer to the west coast (but it sure ain't close to Washington >
state!).  Also, meets are held at the locations they are because local >
chapters propose to the national organization to hold it in their locale. >
The North Texas chapter proposed to hold it in their area in 1999, and they >
got it.  The Illinois Valley chapter proposed for 1998, and it's being held >
there (in Springfield, Illinois).  Our chapter has entertained thoughts of >
proposing to hold it in central Ohio in 2000, which would be 10 years after >
the last time it was held here.  (I don't know if we will ultimately > propose
to do so.) > > The NAOC (National Antique Olds Club) has similar problems
with holding > their meets out west.  It seems that every third national meet
of the NAOC > is in West Virginia, although they had a national meet in
Prescott, Arizona > a few years ago and one in Illinois recently.  Again, the
issue is where > are the people located who are willing to do the work to put
on a meet. > > > > ************************************** > Daniel A.
Gulino > gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu >
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html > 1975 Delta 88 Convertible >
************************************** >

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From: Jason Beres <jberes@eagle1.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:26:58 -0400
Subject: Olds parts

> Both right and left door armrests (vinyl cracked) burg or oxblood.
>
> Again, Thanks!
>
> Jason Beres

I know where u can find the armrests!
they are burg!

Olivier
76 delta 88 royale

>>>>>>

GREAT!!!!!  Let me know at jberes@eagle1.net or post it thru chebucto.

Jason
83 98 Regency Cpe

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:34:38 -0400
Subject: Re: My Classic Car Challenge

On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Robert F Turner wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Feb 1997 15:49:54 -0400 david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.com>
> writes:
> >I just looked at the results so far.  We are tied with the bowtie.
> >Since I have an internet connection at home as well as work I will be
> >voting a second time tonight.  This contest only allows one vote per
> >e-mail address.  So come on, double up if you can and help the Rocket
> >soar to new heights.
> What's this e-mail address??

The web page is at http://www.myclassiccar.com , and the challenge is a
link from there...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:33:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone ever get their beast in a movie?

- ----------
> From: Jar Lyons <jarl@xactlabs.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Anyone ever get their beast in a movie?
> Date: Thursday, February 13, 1997 2:18 PM
>
> Considering all the advertising and movies that are
> targeted to the baby boomer generation (e.g.
> the Jack in the Box clown driving the GTO)
> does anyone know anything about renting a car
> to commercial / movie houses?
>
> Any ideas, opinions?
>
>
> --
> Have you backed up your data today?
> (FREE Trial) Atrieva Internet Backup Service http://www.atrieva.com
>
> Jar Lyons
> jarl@xactlabs.com
> XactLabs  (www.xactlabs.com)
> 600 University Street, Suite 911
> Seattle, WA  98101
> Voice: (206) 749-2914,
> Fax:   (206) 382-6615
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
>                 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass Convertible
>                        455 Rocket Powered
>                 'How fast do you want to go today?'
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> I was contacted several years ago about useing my 56 Che*y in a Nocana
boot ad. My wife took it to the shoot. There was another car there also
she doesn't remember what it was. They took still pictures for several
hours with boots girls ect. They paid her a small amount and we never heard
from them again. I never saw one of the ads either so I don't know if they
even used it.
Walter

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From: John Schumacher <jd.schumacher@baylordallas.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:25:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Club

In order to recieve "Setting the Pace", you needed to fill out a survey
that was in JWO sometime last year about the 100th year celebration in
August97.  No one knew the survey would get you the book, it was a
surprise.

John Schumacher
North Texas Olds Club #254
OCA #021151
64 D88
69 442
74 Supreme

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:07:00 -0400
Subject: Re(2): Olds Ads

>What do you need from me in the way of renumeration?
>Thanks
>Reg

If it were me, I would want to be number one.

Scott M.

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:39:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds parts

On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Jason Beres wrote:
> > Both right and left door armrests (vinyl cracked) burg or oxblood.
>
> I know where u can find the armrests!
> they are burg!
>
> Olivier
> 76 delta 88 royale
>
> GREAT!!!!!  Let me know at jberes@eagle1.net or post it thru chebucto.
                                               ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Uhhh, no to the last item please... time to take that correspondence
private, guys. Remember the guidelines you got when you subscribed...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:02:00 -0400
Subject: Re(2): Leaking Lena

>I agree except if the rings are bad, you will have leaks due to excess
>crankcase pressure from the blowby.


>Dennis J. Sytsma

I'm coming in late on this one.  Has anyone mentioned that a plugged PCV
valve will cause the same symptoms?  I always start with the
easiest/cheapest/most obvious things first.

Scott Mullen
'70 442

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:42:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Brake question

- ----------
> From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Brake question
> Date: Thursday, February 13, 1997 2:46 PM
>
> Jar Lyons wrote:
> >
> > The first cutlass I had was a 71 hardtop.  It was a hand-me-down
> > that got handed down through half the family before it died.
> >
> > Anyway, I was always impressed at the braking power it had.
> >
> > One tap on the pedal and it would stop on a dime, er ... it would
> > lock up, anyway  (it performed that way for at least 6-8 years).
> >
> > Now that I've got my own machine, I've noticed that the brakes
> > are significantly less responsive on mine, even tho I recently had the
> > rear shoes redone and the diaphragm (big thingy up by the firewall)
> > replaced (they told me the fronts looked fine).  It actually feels
> > as tho I've got manual brakes.
> >
> > As far as I can tell, the configuration of the vehicles is
> > the same: front discs, rear shoes, power ...
> >
> > Is there any balancing adjustment that determines how much
> > fluid pressure goes to the front vs back?
> >
> > Any ideas on the difference?
> > --
> > Have you backed up your data today?
> > (FREE Trial) Atrieva Internet Backup Service http://www.atrieva.com
> >
> > Jar Lyons
> > jarl@xactlabs.com
> > XactLabs  (www.xactlabs.com)
> > 600 University Street, Suite 911
> > Seattle, WA  98101
> > Voice: (206) 749-2914,
> > Fax:   (206) 382-6615
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
> >                 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass Convertible
> >                        455 Rocket Powered
> >                 'How fast do you want to go today?'
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Jar, I assume when you say that it feels like you have manual brakes,
> you mean that the pedal is stiff. If this is the case I would suspect
> the brake booster, even if it had been redone. If the booster is ok, but
> the pedal still feels hard, then I would inspect the adjustment on the
> shoes, sounds like they are adjusted out too far. What kind of shoes are
> you running? Riveted or bonded? Bonded shoes suffer from heat fade a lot
> worse than riveted ones, causing a condition where it seems like you are
> pressing on the pedal firmly but getting no brake response. Also check
> your drum thickness, drums that have been turned or worned too far will
> suffer from heat fade also. Hope this helps.
>
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Cutlass "S"
> Also make sure that you have plenty of vacum to your booster. My wifes
vans brakes got very hard and the little filter in the vacum line was
stopped up.

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:47:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds DRCE

- ----------
> From: buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Olds DRCE
> Date: Thursday, February 13, 1997 2:59 PM
>
> >I looked at this thing too. I'm confused (as usual). They talk about a
> >DRCE Olds block, but it takes Chevy internals and accepts Chevy heads.
It
> >apparently does have a B-O-P bellhousing pattern. So what the heck is
it,
> >a Chevy V-8 or a Rocket V-8 or something else entirely. If the latter,
> >why is it called an "Oldsmobile" engine if it has no relation to any
> >engine installed in an Olds by the factory? Is this just another
rebadged
> >"piece of Chevelle" as Kathy Mattea might say?
> >
>
>      "In effect, this team has redesigned its sister division's legendary
> Rat motor and eliminated all of the engine's built in weaknesses that
racers
> have had to live with for years.  With the less desireable features of
the
> big-block Chevro*et motor eliminated and a host of competition-proven
> improvements built-in, Oldsmobile's newest and most powerful Rocket-now
> known as the Olds DRCE (Drag Racing Competition Engine)-comes very close
to
> being a bulletproof piece.
>      "All of these advances were accomplished by designing and
manufacturing
> only two fresh castings:  one new cylinder block and one new cylinder
head.
> When you think about it, this approach makes perfect sense.  Nobody is
> really ready to produce camshafts and crankshafts for an all-new engine,
> especially in a limited amount of time.  So why not design a fresh block
> around existing race proven components.
>      "...Aside from the fresh block and heads, everything in the engine
is
> straight off the shelf at GMPD(General Motors Parts Division)..."
>
>      This is all quoted from an article in my "Olds in action" the
legendary
> (and apparantly) only issue in existance...  It's from 1984.
>
>      Aside from the distastes of putting ch*vy parts in an Olds, I think
the
> idea has plenty of merit.  As stated, they've eliminated all the bad
> qualities (including shaving off the name...) and it's all encased in
Olds,
> so why not?  Hell, we just as well steal their weapons, they can't make
them
> right anyway!  :)  We've always wonderred what things would be like if we
> had the opportunity and choice of aftermarket components that the ch*vy
boys
> have...  Here's the chance I guess...  With the capacity to displace
between
> 350 and 650 cubic inches, I don't see any problems with the idea :)
>
>
>       Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
>       500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
>       Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
>       Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
>       "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
>       "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
>              (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)
>
> Every GM Pro Stock Team uses some varaition of this engine so it must be
a pretty fine piece.

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:54:37 -0400
Subject: Re: My Classic Car, Knee Action, etc.

- ----------
> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: Oldsmobile <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: My Classic Car, Knee Action, etc.
> Date: Thursday, February 13, 1997 4:40 PM
>
>
> I revisited the MCC web page a couple of times today. The '56 Olds now
> has a couple of extra votes... ;-)
>
> They have a page of pictures of viewer's cars. I looked at it all the way

> back to November (they change it weekly) and didn't see a single
> Oldsmobile! I sent them the pic of mine that's on Bryceman's page, and
> I'd suggest that others do the same. I'm surprised the Toro guys haven't
> flooded them yet... ;-)
>
> Finally, I've been posting a lot today, the reason being that I'm laid up
> after a trip to the human garage (a.k.a. hospital) yesterday for knee
> surgery. Ugh. Anyway, since I can't get around I'm spending lots of time
> surfing online so that explains all the posts.
>
> I suggested to the knee surgeon while I was on the table yesterday (they
> did it with a spinal block instead of a general anaesthetic so I was
awake
> and babbling the whole time) that he install a zerk fitting on the knee
> for future maintenance (I found that wildly hilarious in my state of mind
> at the time; not sure they knew what I was talking about), and when they
> said they were shooting some xylocaine in there to freeze it after they
> were done, I told them to try a little WD-40 instead... he looked at me
> like I was crazy both times (well, I *was* suffering from minor delerium
> at the moment) :) Now I know how a front suspension that needs grease
must
> feel! I must be spending way too much time around cars these days if it's
> that deeply ingrained into my subconscious...
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada
> I hope you are as good as new soon and back in the garage playing with
your Olds.
>

------------------------------

From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 20:07:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile DRCE

Yes this engine is based on a Chevrolet bigblock due to its design
superiority (for hig-rpm applications) and plentiful parts availability.
This is the engine that allowed Oldsmobile (as a marque) to dominate
Pro Stock so decisively for years with what amounts to an old design (I am
not sure if WJ's new Pontiacs still run the DRCE).  It is most definitely
not a piece of "shivelle"..as it has been stated.
The DRCE is not the same as a GM Rocket block, which is a NASCAR-style
smallblock.  Interestingly enough, both Olds blocks are better than their
