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oldsmobile-digest         Wednesday, 2 April 1997      Volume 01 : Number 590

Re: Fake 442?
Re: T-tops
Re: T-tops
Re: Carb Question
Re: Anti Roll Bars
Re: T-tops
Re: 455 Toro Rod Bolts & 442 Headers
Re: Fake 442?
Re: Conversion
Hood Pad Clips
Re: Well, one thing do to a Toro: Hurst Hairy Olds
Re: Well, one OTHER thing do to a Toro
Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass
Re: Well, one thing do to a Toro
Re: Survived the easter !
Re: Shave 2 seconds off your timeslips
Re: Power top
Re: Shave 2 seconds off your timeslips
Re: Fake 442?
RE: 72 W30
64 F85 Deluxe
Junkyard report
1974 - 75 Trunk Release Kit For Sale (4/2)
Re: Well, one thing do to a Toro: Hurst Hairy Olds
Add a Toro drive train
Re: Anti Roll Bars
Re: Fake 442?
Re: Chicagoland BOP Swap Meet Get Together This Sunday
Oldsmobiles for sale
Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !
RE: Fake 442?
Re: Fake 442?
61 STARFIRE HORN CAP
Re: Fake 442?
Q-Jet spacers
Re: Fake 442?
Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !
Re: Fake 442?
chrome trim-68 Cutlass
Junkyard report
Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass
Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !
Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage
Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !
Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass
Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass
Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !
455 with Quiet exhuast?
Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)
69 442 air cleaner
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª588
Re: Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)
Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)
Re: Hood Pad Clips
Re: 64 F85 Deluxe
Re: Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)
Re: Chicagoland BOP Swap Meet Get Together This Sunday
Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !
Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)
Re: Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)
Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)
Re: Hood Pad Clips
Re: More on the Knuckle Sandwich
Re: Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)
Re: Chicagoland BOP Swap Meet Get Together This Sunday

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:47:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Fake 442?

At 05:02 PM 4/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Did Olds ever make a Post 442?  I saw one (1970 model) at a rinky dink
>car dealer (in STL) several years ago and suspected it was a fake, was
>it?  Had 442 badges, and the ram air hood (W-??).
>
>If you are not well edumacated on 442's, what is the best way to spot a
>fake?
>
>Did all 442's up till 69-76 have 455's?
>
>Thanks
>Thomas Martin

Thomas

        Olds made a post coupe 442 from 64-72. 64-67 and 72-? are difficult
to document due to the 442 being an option on a Cutlass or F-85. The 68-71
442's were called out in the VIN. They are all 4400 series cars. If your
looking at buying a 442 or any auto that you don't have vast knowledge of I
would buy a reference book about that type of car.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:41:28 -0400
Subject: Re: T-tops

joshstrub wrote:
>
> Are the T-tops on the 84 Hurst Olds different than the t-tops on a regular
> Cutlass.
>
> Josh


NOPE!  In fact, the 84 through 87 Cutlass/Hurst/442 T-Tops are the
same.  I'm not sure about the pre-84 or 88 RWD though.

Mike Rothe

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:47:17 -0400
Subject: Re: T-tops

At 09:52 AM 4/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Are the T-tops on the 84 Hurst Olds different than the t-tops on a regular
>Cutlass.
>
>Josh


Josh

        They are the same between the Cutlass and the Hurst. The outer
moldings may be different if one is black and the other is like chrome. You
could paint it to match if you were to use them.

Jim Chermack

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:45:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Carb Question

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> Mike Rothe,
>
> > originality doesn't count]. (One good thing.  The spindles for either
> > type is the same part number.  Don't let anyone tell you different.  So
> > you don't even have to take the ball joints loose!)
>
> Would it be safe to say that the spindles for a 68 442 with power drum
> brakes
> would not have to be replaced if I go to disc brakes?
>
> Chris Sparks


Sure!  Just make sure the backing plate for discs is used, and the
brackets on the frame rail for the hoses are for disc brakes (they are
different) along with the disc brake proportioning valve and disc brake
master cylinder.  Anything else?  Let me know.

Mike Rothe
71 442
85 442
69 H/O

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From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:59:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Anti Roll Bars

Peter L. House wrote:
>
> Hi. The G body Oldsmobiles have different type of anti sway bars.
> I was wondering, what was the thickest for the front I thought that
> it was the 32mm/ 1 1/4in one, is that the biggest?  That is the one
> that came with '87 Cutlass Salon f41 option. The rear one is 7/8
> inch. The reason that I had this question is because I had seen in
> a parts book a 1in for the rear, Is this true??
>
> Peter L. House
> '87 Cutlass Salon
> phouse@feith.com

Is this the only upgrade that comes with the F41 package?  I noticed
that on my window sticker, the F41 option is only 30 bucks.  Are there
stiffer bushings, also?  Thanks.

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 73K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

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From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 01:55:53 -0400
Subject: Re: T-tops

joshstrub wrote:
>
> Are the T-tops on the 84 Hurst Olds different than the t-tops on a regular
> Cutlass.
>
> Josh

No, shouldn't be.

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 73K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html
 Also viewable through http://www.442.com

+------------------------------------------------+

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:54:03 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 Toro Rod Bolts & 442 Headers

Robert J. Barry wrote:
>
> At 09:53 AM 4/1/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >   Some time ago I picked up a '68 455 that was stuffed in a '65 Cutlass.
I > >finally got around to inspecting the bottom end and discovered that the
rod > >bolts had 12 point nuts on them.  The block and intake numbers match a >
>'68-'69 Toro(I haven't checked the heads yet) and the crank has the large >
>"N" for nodular on it.  As I've never seen factory 12 point nuts on rods >
>before, I'm wondering if they are aftermarket or was there an option for a >
>beefed-up bottom end for Toro's?  Also, has anyone tried putting headers on >
 > Well, the Toro used the best pieces available, but as far as 12-pt nuts on >
the rod bolts, the 350 and two 403's I pulled had them from the factory >
(ironically, the ARP bolts I replaced them with did not...). I think they >
were standard Olds fare. >
_______________________________________________________ > Dr. Robert Barry
MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu > Theology Dept, Providence College,
Providence, RI 02918


I agree with Doctor Bob.  I've had literally dozens of 400/455 big-inch
Olds engines in my life-time.  Every one I took apart that was original
had the 12 pt. rod bolts.  Some of the rebuilts had ARP's, so of course,
they don't count.

Mike Rothe

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:06:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Fake 442?

Thomas Martin wrote:
>
> Did Olds ever make a Post 442?  I saw one (1970 model) at a rinky dink
> car dealer (in STL) several years ago and suspected it was a fake, was
> it?  Had 442 badges, and the ram air hood (W-??).
>
> If you are not well edumacated on 442's, what is the best way to spot a
> fake?
>
> Did all 442's up till 69-76 have 455's?
>
> Thanks
> Thomas Martin


Tom,
All 442's in 1970 had a 344xxxxxxx Serial number.  The 3 was for Olds,
and the 44 stood for 4400 series (442, since it was its own body style
from 68-71).  The ram-air was the W-25 option, and could be had on any
Cutlass/442.  It should have had the 455 standard, with the 3 or 4 speed
MT or TH400 auto., upper rear control arm to frame stiffeners, a rear
swaybar, and front fender braces (behind the front wheelwells).  A 442
badge should have been on the fake burlwood ladened glovebox.  YES, they
made post 442's in 1970, but they were not made in mass numbers like the
hardtop coupes.  Rare, but not that desirable by the mass 442 fans.

Hope this helps.  Mike Rothe

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:09:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Conversion

Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil wrote:
>
>      I've seen kits to convert older GM external regulator cars to internal
> regulator. The kit has an adapter harness for the alternator plug and also a
> piece which plugs in place of the original regulator. I think J C Whitney
> sells these. Nothing against them, but has anyone seen these kits for sale
> elsewhere ?????
>      Beats cutting up the original harness !!
>
> John Pajak     DR OLDS
> Lexington Park, Maryland


Year One in Tucker, GA  1-800-950-9503
Mike Rothe

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:17:09 -0400
Subject: Hood Pad Clips

This may seem like a trivial question, but...How do I remove the clips
that are used to install the underhood pads?  I tried to gently pry one
off, but it didn't want to budge.  I don't want to ruin the clip,
because I need to use (that is why I posted the question).

TIA

- -Dan

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:21:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Well, one thing do to a Toro: Hurst Hairy Olds

At 09:28 PM 4/1/97 -0500, you wrote:
[snip]
>funny car at the time it was built and it was a 1967 Olds Cutlass with dual
>blown and injected 425 cid engines connected to toronado transmissions front
>and rear.
>    There was also a 66 or 67 Toronado that was done up the same way as the
>Hurst Olds  -- in '93 local rumor up in Salt Lake City had it that this
[snip]
>go over to his house and see this same 53 Chevy Delivery and lo and behold
>when i saw the Delivery he opened the back of it and guess what was mounted
>in the rear???  A blown and injected Olds 425 on a Toro tranny!!!!!

Now I know what kind of truck I should get... :)

I've seen a bunch of these Toro-transaxle converted cars and trucks, and was
wondering one thing: how do they mount the torsion bars (which stick out
backwards and mount in a crossmember about three feet behind the engine)?
Since the halfshaft passes between the A-arms, converting to coil-springs
really isn't an option.

Also, has anyone ever mounted a Toro transaxle into a rear-engined dragster?
Or would this put *too* much weight over the back wheels (i.e. instant
wheelstands)? I suppose the engine would sit too high for this to be a good
idea, anyway.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:53:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Well, one OTHER thing do to a Toro

While doing my time in the Air Force (1964) stationed in Glasgow Montana I
read an article in one of those car & driver magazines about Oldsmobile
testing their new front wheel drive car they were getting ready to market and
they put the drive train under a Riviera  body shell. It told of the trials
driving thru the deserts of Arizona & New Mexico. They really shook up some
guy in a small gas station when they had the oil changed and while under the
car he realized the rearend was missing.
  Does anyone else remember that article?


Everett  OCA ª1961

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 22:51:25 -0400
Subject: Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass

> My Ch*vy 350 will blow the socks of my Delta 88 w/455; and both have had
> minor surgery to improve them.
>
> Kevin, got any weight data.  "Setting the Pace" says that my Delta weighs
> 3561ª, and if we add 200ª for the BB, we have a 3761ª ride.  Any idea on
> what my 350 Ch*vy weighs.
>
> If the 350 is much lighter then we have the apples/oranges comparason,
> instead of one from a level playing field.
>
> The Wiz

my point was acutually the fact that the ls-6 ch*vy had mechanical
lifters 11.25:1 compressesion and eeked out an advertised 450 hp. The
'70 W-30 had HYD lifters a normal 10.5:1 compression and could run with
and in most cases OUTRUN the ch*vy. The 350 ch*vy took 11:1 compression
to get 350 hp. My opinion based on observation and Experience is: Yes,
the ch*vy is cheaper to build and in most cases can be built more
powerful than the Olds. However, the Olds starts with a BIG advantage in
torque. Olds engines can put out more horse power with less sressfull
changes.

Danny

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:17:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Well, one thing do to a Toro

doug thompson wrote:
>
> in 1967 Hurst did a "funny car" using a '67 4-4-2, with a toro set up in
> front and rear. 2 engines/transaxles and 4 wheel drive . It got a lot of
> attention as a exhibition car on drag strips that year. I would like to
> put a 455 Toro set up in the rear a late model Trofeo', and  explore
> those possibilities.

Don't try this at home.  If you want to see the real thing, go to the
Toro FAQ (sits next to Olds FAQ) & look at that car.  I forgot which
section  holds it.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

Southern Idiom: If when visiting a Southerner's home for dinner, his
wife asks him to clear the table and he does so with a shotgun, do not
be alarmed.  Politely excuse yourself and leave, for there is about to
be a domestic quarrel.

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 21:09:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Survived the easter !

Esko,

Yes we have Easter down here too.  I worked on my '70 442 for a couple
of hours and drove with the top down, so it was a great Easter for me
too!

I may be going to England this year, any chance of finding an Olds
there?

Jeff.
'91 Quad 442 W-41
'70 442 Conv.

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:07:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Shave 2 seconds off your timeslips

> Well, since we're spilling our performance secrets, I have one to share:
>
> Someone recently posted about an X crossover in the exhaust, which shaves
> .5 seconds off of the 1/4 mile time.  Another exhaust upgrade will shave
> another 1/2 second off - using '63 Ford Thunderbird muffler bearings.  I
> know that alot of you will think I'm crazy for even suggesting putting a
> Ford part on your Olds, but if you want to go fast, it's the only way to
> fly!  The Ford muffler bearing is a full 1" larger in diameter, which
> everyone know means quicker ET's!  You can try bearings from other years,
> but from my experience, the '63 Tbird one is a direct bolt in and works
> great!
>
> I'm hoping with the X crossover, the fresh Tbird muffler bearings, and the
> Toro rear that my '69 442 Convertible will be in the high 10's!  You can't
> beat that, especially on regular pump gas!
>
> The only drawback is that NHRA requires a rollbar in any convertible that
> runs quicker than 14 seconds in the 1/4.  I guess I'll just hafta street
> race it!  I might have to put on those 12" rotors to slow it down too...

Here is my racing secret. Drain all the oil and all the water out of the
engine. Think how much HP you will save not pushing all that fluid
around! Take it from me, the car will run like a scalded bat...once.

Danny

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 18:27:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Power top

JFOWLER@capecod.net wrote:
>
> The power top on my 442 just barely makes it down, but won't even move
> going up.  Can anyone tell me weather the pump or the pistons need to be
> replaced, and is there a way to check these parts?


I would suspect that the pump needs bleeding.  Another possibility is a
leak at the lines, cylinders, or pump.

Check the pump tank.  If it is low, add the fluid (brake fluid if
clear/yellowish or ATF if red) to full, replace the cap, & cycle the top
up & down a couple of times.  Recheck the fluid level & refill as
necessary.  Recycle the top a couple of times.  Repeat this until you
have a properly operating top.

Removing the rear seat & checking the floor for either brake fluid or
ATF should tell you about a leak.  Tighten everything in the area of a
leak.  You'll have to replace lines that may be cracked & leaking.
Pumps & cylinders need to be rebuilt or replaced if they leak.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

Southern idiom: If it can't be fried in bacon grease, it ain't worth
cooking, let alone eatiing.

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 00:49:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Shave 2 seconds off your timeslips

If you want to shave more than a few seconds from your timeslips, just do
the ol' Han Solo thing: install an illegal 0.5-Class hyperdrive! (It's
not an Olds unit but it'll have to do 'till Olds makes one of their own.)
You're guaranteed to have the fastest hunk o' junk in the galaxy!


      Jim Townsend

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 23:32:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Fake 442?

Thomas Martin wrote:
>
> Did Olds ever make a Post 442?  I saw one (1970 model) at a rinky dink
> car dealer (in STL) several years ago and suspected it was a fake, was
> it?  Had 442 badges, and the ram air hood (W-??).
>
> If you are not well edumacated on 442's, what is the best way to spot a
> fake?
>
> Did all 442's up till 69-76 have 455's?
>
> Thanks
> Thomas Martin

1969 no 4-4-2s had 455s. They were al 400s.
1970-71 all 4-4-2s had 455s.
1972 some 4-4-2s had 455s most had 350s some with 2 bbl carbs.
>From 1968 till 1971 the 4-4-2 was a separate line. These cars can be
identified by the VIN. a 34487, 86 or 85 depending on the body style.
Post coupes are rare but out there. If that car you saw is a post W-30
it is one of the rarest W-30s of all. 4-4-2s should have rear anti-sway
bars and boxed lower control arms. Most people building a fake will not
go this far. Also, I beleive starting in '70, 4-4-2s all had internal
voltage regulators.

Danny

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From: "Aaron R. Weimer" <aweimer@ameritech.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 02:15:49 -0400
Subject: RE: 72 W30

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>>Aaron, which cam, converter, gears, etc are you using?  I'm collecting =

data for an >>upcoming 70 Cutlass S post bracket car project (455/TH400)

*************************************************************
John Pajak     "DR. OLDS"
Lexington Park, MD
Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL

65 Delta 88
66 Toronado
69 Cutlass S
70 Cutlass S W31
70 Cutlass S (post)
70 442 W30 convert
72 442 W30 convert
72 Delta 88 convert
+ others



[Aaron R. Weimer] =20
Well I would have to get the numbers on that.. I do know it's a 3/4 cam =
with 1/2 inch lift.. Kinda big.. like .496 I think.. All gears are =
stock.. Tranny running 2100 stall, and 3.73 rear end.  Flies I tell ya.. =
I have 295/50/15 tires on it.  Runs faster with street tires, quicker =
with mickey slicks..  don't know what else to tell ya.  2" hooker super =
comp headers with 3 1/2" dumps.

Aaron=20

1972 4-4-2 W30
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From: Midn Ronnie D Merrill <m984488@nadn.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 02:47:27 -0400
Subject: 64 F85 Deluxe

I am preparing to do some restoration to my '64 F85. I will be
replacing the radiator and the front coil springs( the sway bar? is
rubbing on the oil pan) I think this is what will fix it. I would also
like to get a little better gas mileage, what can I do to improve that? I
am very novice and don't want to do anything stupid to this cool car, so I
would appreciate any advice.

Ron

------------------------------

From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:12:00 -0400
Subject: Junkyard report

Enjoyed the wonderful weather on the weekend and checked out the local
junkyard scene.  It must have been Toronado day, because I saw a '67 and
5 '69 Toros.  Three of the '69's were in one excellent yard, and had
complete engines in them.  One had a headless shortblock, which I got
for a mere $75.  I also saw:

68 Sport Coupe Cutlass and a '68 convert.
Several Vista Cruisers (68-early 70's)
Several 67-69 88/98's, many with complete engines and several rag top
versions.

Out of the 5 yards I visited, only the last one (of course) was worth
going to.  In fact, it was the mother lode of 1950's to late 60's cars.
I would rate it as the best yard I've ever been in.  I could not find a
single 69-72 Cutlass, which I found hard to believe, but the three Toros
and several 88/98's with complete engines made the trip worth while.
It took me about 3 hours to go through half of the cars, including many
hidden away in the woods.  Ah, it did my heart good to find all of these
old cars, considering the recent doom and gloom on the digest regarding
Hall's passing.  I will be attending Carlisle on April 18, so if anyone
has a specific want, let me know, and I'll bring it to Carlisle with me.
 I'll be returning to the yard this weekend to get one of the several
sets of C and/or E heads that I discovered.  All this talk of
disappearing cars has turned on my pack rat instincts.

------------------------------

From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:04:48 -0400
Subject: 1974 - 75 Trunk Release Kit For Sale (4/2)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to sell:

1974 - 1975 dealer installation remote trunk release kit for B
(Eighty-Eight), C (Ninety-Eight), and E (Toronado) bodied cars.  Part
Number 983453.  NOS in box.  $25.00, including shipping to any address
in the United States.  (4/2/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
this item or if you would like additional information about it.  Thank
you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

------------------------------

From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:28:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Well, one thing do to a Toro: Hurst Hairy Olds

J2RKT@aol.com wrote:
>
>    I don't know if anybody knows but -- Monogram is now making or has been
> making or remaking the model of the Hurst Hairy Olds -- how do i know???

A couple of months ago I tried to order one.  I was told they did
re-release it, but it was out of production (again).

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

------------------------------

From: Thomas Martin <marttj@pcmail1.csg.mot.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:28:46 -0400
Subject: Add a Toro drive train

> In the early days of Toronados someone put a second drive unit in the trunk.
> You could model your Cutlass project after that job, and have sort of a
> twin-ie mini-e Cutlass.


The Grant Toronado.  The street version was a 66 had a pair of 425's,
the race was a pair of blown 425's.  I have a picure somewhere of
nothing but the covered headlights, the rest is just pure smoke.

There was another one done in 68, 455's now.  Don't know if it ever got
the 6-71's like the 425's got, but the street ran a stock bodied Toro
with low 13's, at 5000+ lbs.  There were two ingition switches, two keys
needed for both engines to run.  And it was made to look stock!

Similar to a friend of mine's dad's idea, take a Starfire/Monza, buy
some used hard side luggage, cut out the inside, blot them together,
install a Toro 400 hp 455 with THM 425 in the hatch, cover with
luggage.  Leave the Vega motor in the front.  Or make it the fuel tank!

Could have been the fastest H body out of the 70's!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass 307

------------------------------

From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:42:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Anti Roll Bars

You guys wrote:
 Hi. The G body Oldsmobiles have different type of anti sway bars.
 I was wondering, what was the thickest for the front I thought that
 it was the 32mm/ 1 1/4in one, is that the biggest?  That is the one
 that came with '87 Cutlass Salon f41 option. The rear one is 7/8
 inch. The reason that I had this question is because I had seen in
 a parts book a 1in for the rear, Is this true??

 Peter L. House

Is this the only upgrade that comes with the F41 package?  I noticed
that on my window sticker, the F41 option is only 30 bucks.  Are there
stiffer bushings, also?  Thanks.

 Jason Adcock

************************
F41 in those years also included a higher effort power steering box. I
believe it also included different rate springs and shocks. However, my 86
Cutlass Supreme drives WORLDS better with F41 front and rear bars and no
other changes. I do have the PS box from the car I got the bars from. I'll
change it later.

John Pajak     DR OLDS
Lexington Park, MD

************************

------------------------------

From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 08:50:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Fake 442?

Mike Rothe wrote:

<SNIP> YES, they made post 442's in 1970, but they were not made in mass
numbers like the hardtop coupes.  Rare, but not that desirable by the mass
442 fans.

*********************
Desirable YES!! Any post model Olds, especially a 442 is sought after
because it's not the norm. Of all the hardtop Cutlasses I've had, I own a
grand total of ONE post car.

John Pajak     DR OLDS
Lexington Park, MD

*********************

------------------------------

From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:06:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Chicagoland BOP Swap Meet Get Together This Sunday

From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>

>  Jeff,
>
>  What time does the swap meet start?  Any idea how many venders will be
>there?

Well, I'm at work and the IVOC newsletter is at home...  But Rick sent me
mail direct and he thought it opened at 9 or 10 am.

Last year they filled a building with vendors.  Not bad considering there
wasnt a chevy part in sight.  :-)

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

------------------------------

From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:58:57 -0400
Subject: Oldsmobiles for sale

Yesterday I recieved a flyer from The Paddock Inc.  In the back were
some adds for cars and parts for sale.  I am not listing the full adds,
just minimum information on each Olds related add.

Cars:
69 Olds convertible $3,000 OBO 330-343-1555 ask for Joe (Dover, Ohio)

71 4-4-2 asking $3400 516-579-2336 ask for Mike  (No city given)

71 4-4-2 convertible Paddock catalog cover car $10,500 765-642-4593
(Anderson, Indiana)

Parts:
69 Cutlass front bumper, 69 Cutlass am/fm stereo 317-923-4601 ask for
Tom (Indianapolis, Indiana)

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:02:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !

Ah yes, Bob Anderson.  I asked some of the Floridians about him a few
months ago.  He has a couple of 68 H/O's.  Did you get a look at them?  As
if I've got money buring a hole in my pocket to buy a sixth car.  NOT.
Unfortunately.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback

------------------------------

From: "Jim & Tina R." <rabid@cybrzn.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:32:16 -0400
Subject: RE: Fake 442?

Mike Rothe wrote:

<SNIP> YES, they made post 442's in 1970, but they were not made in mass =

numbers like the hardtop coupes.  Rare, but not that desirable by the =
mass=20
442 fans.

*********************
Desirable YES!! Any post model Olds, especially a 442 is sought after=20
because it's not the norm. Of all the hardtop Cutlasses I've had, I own =
a=20
grand total of ONE post car.

John Pajak     DR OLDS
Lexington Park, MD

*********************
Just my opinion. Rare does not necessarily equate into desirable. Most =
people I know would rather own a hardtop 442 than a post. There is no =
way I would trade my HT 70 W30 for a post, even though it is much rarer. =
Attractiveness and clean lines appeal more to the masses than do rarity. =
Hope I didn't ruffle any feathers.

Jim Rabideau
Peshtigo, WI=20

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:37:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Fake 442?

MROTHE wrote:

> YES, they made post 442's in 1970, but they were not made in mass
> numbers like the hardtop coupes.  Rare, but not that desirable by
> the mass 442 fans.

I like my 68 Post 442.  I like the aluminum (? metal) frames around
the windows.  I guess I don't see why hardtops are more
desirable than posts.  I thought that racers of the time preferred
the posts since they were lighter in weight.  I don't understand why
people make post cars out to be the b*st*rd children.

Just my $0.02.

Chris Sparks
68 442 (Has a post and has been know to use it)

------------------------------

From: STLPENS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:40:43 -0400
Subject: 61 STARFIRE HORN CAP

IM LOOKING FOR A CENTER STEERING WHEEL CAP FOR A 61 STARFIRE
IT IS DIFFERENT FROM 88'S AND 98'S AS IT HAS A PICTURE OF THE
GLOBE/WORLD IN IT SIMILAR TO GRILL EMBLEM.

THANKS

------------------------------

From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:28:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Fake 442?

From: Thomas Martin <marttj@pcmail1.csg.mot.com>

>If you are not well edumacated on 442's, what is the best way to spot a
>fake?

Hmmm.  Missing the boxed rear lower control arms and a rear swaybar?

>Did all 442's up till 69-76 have 455's?

Pre '70 were 400's (except '64)
70-71 were 455's
72-on could be anything (350, 260 etc.)

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed

------------------------------

From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:05:26 -0400
Subject: Q-Jet spacers

Jeff and All,

Usually you only see spacers for Holley's or open plenum spacers.  Looking
thru my catalogs I found these from Dick Miller Racing. (Then I stopped
looking)

Phenolic Resin 1/2" thick 4 hole Quadrajet carburetor spacer by Canton.  This
spacer gives better flow and reduces operating temperatures.  Up to 10 HP
increase.  Use with dual-plane intake manifolds.
Part ª CAN-85252......$24

Phenolic Resin 1" thick 4 hole Quadrajet carburetor spacer by Canton.  This
spacer gives better flow and reduces operating temperatures.  Up to 20 HP
increase.  Use with dual-plane intake manifolds.
Part ª CAN-85252......$34

Dick Miller Racing, 2374 Windemere Dr., Jackson, MI 49202-1236
Ph: (517) 782-2012      Fax: (517) 782-2232

I think he'll send you a free catalog if you mention you're an OCA member and
give your OCA ª.
Hope this helps

 ---  Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42 (Custard Yellow Primer)
| | | 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
|/|\| 76062.3042@compuserve.com
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:47:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Fake 442?

Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil wrote:

> Desirable YES!! Any post model Olds, especially a 442 is sought after
> because it's not the norm. Of all the hardtop Cutlasses I've had, I own a
> grand total of ONE post car.

Talk to us John!  I agree whole-heartedly.  And it is not because I have
a 68 Post 442. :-)

Chris Sparks
68 442 (She has been vindicated)

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:56:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !

Chris R. Smetana wrote:
>
> Ah yes, Bob Anderson.  I asked some of the Floridians about him a few
> months ago.  He has a couple of 68 H/O's.  Did you get a look at them?  As
> if I've got money buring a hole in my pocket to buy a sixth car.  NOT.
> Unfortunately.


Does anyone know how much it costs to have a car shipped from say
Florida to California.  Is it cost prohibitive?

Chris Sparks
68 442 (looking for a sister)

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:59:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Fake 442?

Jim & Tina R. wrote:

> Just my opinion. Rare does not necessarily equate into desirable. Most
people > I know would rather own a hardtop 442 than a post. There is no way I
would trade > my HT 70 W30 for a post, even though it is much rarer.
Attractiveness and clean > lines appeal more to the masses than do rarity.

A post car is not unattractive!  Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

> Hope I didn't ruffle any feathers.

Yup ya did.  My 442 will have to hunt ya down now.  She has a post (aka
club) and
will use it. :-)

Later ...

Chris Sparks
68 442 (on the prowl)

------------------------------

From: Dawn Roode <dawnr@curtco.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 06:12:08 -0400
Subject: chrome trim-68 Cutlass

I'm looking for chrome trim for around the wheel well openings and
chrome rocker panels for a 68 Cutlass 442.  Can anyone help or have any
suggestions where to look???

Thanks in advance,
Dawn
dawnr@curtco.com

------------------------------

From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 09:33:48 -0400
Subject: Junkyard report

OL>Enjoyed the wonderful weather on the weekend and checked out the local
OL>junkyard scene.  It must have been Toronado day, because I saw a '67 and
OL>5 '69 Toros.  Three of the '69's were in one excellent yard, and had
OL>complete engines in them.  One had a headless shortblock, which I got
OL>for a mere $75.  I also saw:

OL>68 Sport Coupe Cutlass and a '68 convert.
OL>Several Vista Cruisers (68-early 70's)
OL>Several 67-69 88/98's, many with complete engines and several rag top
OL>versions.

OL>Out of the 5 yards I visited, only the last one (of course) was worth
OL>going to.  In fact, it was the mother lode of 1950's to late 60's cars.
OL>I would rate it as the best yard I've ever been in.  I could not find a
OL>single 69-72 Cutlass, which I found hard to believe, but the three Toros
OL>and several 88/98's with complete engines made the trip worth while.
OL>It took me about 3 hours to go through half of the cars, including many
OL>hidden away in the woods.  Ah, it did my heart good to find all of these
OL>old cars, considering the recent doom and gloom on the digest regarding
OL>Hall's passing.  I will be attending Carlisle on April 18, so if anyone
OL>has a specific want, let me know, and I'll bring it to Carlisle with me.
OL> I'll be returning to the yard this weekend to get one of the several
OL>sets of C and/or E heads that I discovered.  All this talk of
OL>disappearing cars has turned on my pack rat instincts.

What's the location of the junk yards'

Daren   '65  Dynamic "88"

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:27:06 -0400
Subject: Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass

Dawn Roode wrote:
>
> I'm looking for chrome trim for around the wheel well openings and
> chrome rocker panels for a 68 Cutlass 442.  Can anyone help or have any
> suggestions where to look???

Did these cars have chrome rocker panels?  Hmmm...

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:56:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !

At 10:24 PM 4/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>If anyone out there is interested in seeing some restorable Oldsmobiles
>for sale, I put the URL location on my web site. It contains six
>pictures and information. The pictures are large high resolution images.
>You'll like them.

I recognize those cars and that card! I was talking to Mr. Anderson 3 months
ago about a '70 442 4speed convertable he had been trying to sell in JWO and
Hemmings. At that time he was asking $5800 (I think he has dropped the
price). He was kind enough to send me pictures of the car, and I must say, I
was impressed with his honesty. Most people who are asking that much for a
car in that bad shape will take the pictures at dusk with at least one
finger over the camera lens. There was just enough car left under the rust
and neglect to tell it was an Olds A-body. He said it was a numbers matching
car with a good frame and drive train, but I never persued the deal because
the work the car needed was out of my league. If anyone is interested in the
car I can e-mail some photos.

Ray
34467x

70 Cutlass Convertable

------------------------------

From: <Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 10:55:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage

From: Michael Baugher on 04/02/97 09:55 AM

     I made a trip out to Holton Kansas yesterday to the Olds Graveyard.
     It's about a 2 hour drive from KC and my 69 Cutlass convertible
     loved the ride.

     They are crushing the older oldsmobiles first.  The Cutlasses are
     being saved for last since the parts are in higher demand (according
     to the owner).  The cars are lined up in rows by year, and there are
     hundreds of good parts cars.  I loaded my trunk with 68-69 parts
     for $50, including wheel opening mouldings, emblems, some T-3
     headlights (who knows, they might work), glove box hinge, right
     headlight door, right tail light assembly, map light, vent hoses,
     bucket seat release button.....there are lots of body parts available.
     Not much in the way of bumpers (at least for 69's).

     It's well worth the trip.  Bring cash and they'll make you a killer
deal.

     ph:  913-924-3748

     I took some great photos that I may post on Bryceman's page if he's
interested.

     Happy hunting.

     P.S...to the gentleman looking for a 53 rear window, sorry, no luck...

------------------------------

From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:12:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !

At 10:56 AM 4/2/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Does anyone know how much it costs to have a car shipped from say
>Florida to California.  Is it cost prohibitive?
>
>Chris Sparks
>68 442 (looking for a sister)

I reasearched shipping a car from Los Angeles CA to Springfield VA. The
cheapest I found was $860 for uncovered, uninsured, unscheduled and unable
to deal with a car that didn't run. The most reasonable was $1280 for
covered, insured and able to deal with a car that didn't run. This place had
drop-off/pick-up locations in LA and the D.C. Metro area. If you want door
to door service add $200 - $700.

Cost prohibitive? Not when you compare it to renting a U-Haul with a flat
bed and add milage charges, gas, insurance, time off work and unforseen
hassle.

If you need a contact in the Washington D.C. metro area let me know.

Ray
34467x

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 12:18:37 -0400
Subject: Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass

On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
> Dawn Roode wrote:
> > I'm looking for chrome trim for around the wheel well openings and
> > chrome rocker panels for a 68 Cutlass 442.  Can anyone help or have any
> > suggestions where to look???
>
> Did these cars have chrome rocker panels?  Hmmm...

I'm pretty sure they didn't... at least, I've never seen one with it. Of
course, almost anything was available as an option back then so it might
be possible. Can anyone confirm?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(who has a soft spot for post coupes too)

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 06:17:48 -0400
Subject: Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass

Dawn Roode wrote:
>
> I'm looking for chrome trim for around the wheel well openings and
> chrome rocker panels for a 68 Cutlass 442.  Can anyone help or have any
> suggestions where to look???
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Dawn
> dawnr@curtco.com

Dawn,

I don't have any of the parts you seek.  The wheel well moldings are a
little expensive for nice ones as I've heard.  Also, I've heard that
there were no rocker moldings for 1968.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

Southern idiom:  Northerners can be identified by the spit on inside of
their car's windshield that comes from yelling at other drivers.

------------------------------

From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:43:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !

>Ah yes, Bob Anderson.  I asked some of the Floridians about him a few
>months ago.  He has a couple of 68 H/O's.  Did you get a look at them?  As
>if I've got money buring a hole in my pocket to buy a sixth car.  NOT.
>Unfortunately.
>
>Chris



Hi Gang --

I was off of the list for a couple of weeks because I took a vacation down
to Florida to get away from this Minnesota winter.  I took the Wife and
kids to Busch Gardens in Tampa Bay.  While going down Busch Ave,  I noticed
a TON of 68-72 Cutlass/442 cars parked in what appeared to be a used car
lot.  The cars were far from nice, but there were a few W-30's Hursts and
Rallye 350's parked behind the fence. Even a 70 Toro!  Is this the same
Anderson?  The sign in front said Anderson Automotive.  For those who are
interested,  the phone and address are......Anderson Automotive
         1600 E Busch
         Tampa, FL
         (   ) 932-5025  Sorry...Don't know the area code!

All of the cars (About 20 or so) had for sale signs in them.  The nicest
car was a stock '71 442.  It was selling for about $5500.  I just about
went crazy when these cars caught my eye.....but after having my collection
up to over 15 cars and 4 boats a while ago I got "That Look" from my wife
and I realized that I better not get too happy about my find :(

For what it is worth I got a big kick out of the 502 Chev in a '71 Cutlass
debate!  I see that the Chevy bashing still hasn't let up!  Jason Lebay and
some others made the best response about technology.  No matter who makes
the product, the progress in casting techneques and foundry operations and
even machining have come a long way since the last big block rocket came
off of the line 21 years ago.

Being a boat fanatic,  the 502 was originally a marine engine before it
became a "crate engine"  It is a very stout engine with much internal
strength.  It is very popular in muscle boats.  Sorry race fans......This
engine is outstanding......I know I know it isn't Olds.....but like someone
else mentioned....It is nice to have all of that displacement along with a
steel crank, 4-bolt mains and lots of go-fast parts available.

Let the guy do what he wants to his 71 Cutlass.  It is HIS car...not ours.
Buy it from him if you don't want to see the Chevy motor put into it.

Anyways it is good to be back!   But now I want my cars and boats out more
than ever now after being in that Florida sunshine!

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-spd
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

70 Rayson Craft 455 Olds V-drive
79 Sidewinder 455 Olds Jet
86 Wellcraft Nova 454 Chev I/O

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From: Thomas Martin <marttj@pcmail1.csg.mot.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:07:14 -0400
Subject: 455 with Quiet exhuast?

I just need
> to
> figure out how to quite the exhaust before I scare them all away ..
> hehehehe..



I think Turbo's are a fantastic way to quiet the exhuast of a 455.  You
think?

Sneek up on them like an F16 on a strafing run!


Thomas Martin

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From: "blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:03:46 -0400
Subject: Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)

OK, that does it!  I've been waiting for months hoping that someone else
would ask this question, but I guess I'm going to have to take the shame...

What exactly is meant by the term "sleeper"?


- ----------
>           suspension parts, one could build a real sleeper Caddy.  I

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From: JNelson751@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:09:56 -0400
Subject: 69 442 air cleaner

hi, my name is Jeff . I'm new here but not to oldsmobiles. Here;s my
question, is a 69 442 air cleaner the same as a 69 cutlass , except the
color? My current one is off a 67 442.























































                        thanks





















jeff nelson
69 442 convert

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From: Thomas Martin <marttj@pcmail1.csg.mot.com>
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 17:12:51 -0400
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 ª588

> From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 1997 12:47:29 -0400
> Subject: Re: RIMS/TIRES
>
> At 02:47 AM 3/31/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >            Hello.  My name is Enio, I'm new to this group.  I have a 1987
> >Olds. Cutlass Sup. V-8,  307ci.  Can anyone tell me how big I can go on Rim
& > >Tire size without rubbing. > >Please E-mail me at NjOlds@aol.com. > > > > 
>
Enio, > >      First of all let me say, nice car! I have an '87 Cutlass
Supreme also. > Secondly, I have put on P245/60R14 > Goodyear Eagle ST's on
mine and they don't rub at all. I don't know how > serious you want to go? My
tires are only an inch wider than the ones I had > on there before but I can
tell a difference. I have actually been looking to > putting on some 16"
wheels and tires one of these days but I'm still doing > some research on what
is involved. I know in the Sept. 1996 issue of Hot Rod > Magazine, they put on
some 16*8" wheels on an '87 Monte Carlo SS so maybe > there is hope.



A friend of mine squeezed Kelly Springfield 275 60 R15's under his 78
Grand Prix.  Can't see why the Cutlass can't either.  They were on the
15 X 7 in Pontiac Rally II wheels.  (backspace info can be measured off
of one)

Yes, it was within the fenders, not sticking out.  No air shocks!

Looked absolutely cool!

Thomas Martin
85 Cutlass Supreme, 307 V8

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:28:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)

blaines wrote:
>
> OK, that does it!  I've been waiting for months hoping that someone
> else would ask this question, but I guess I'm going to have to take
> the shame...

No shame at all.  It is more shameful to not ask the question and then
eventually looking stupid.

> What exactly is meant by the term "sleeper"?

What this means is that a potential good thing can come out of an
unexpected situation.  A good example I can use is that I owned a 77
Olds C/S Brougham 4 door boat that had ugly for a middle name.  The
fact that she had a 350 4bbl combo suprised the average person when
she came blasting by this person's overly pretentious sports car.
No one looking at the car thought it was anything good, however, when
the pedal met the metal, that was another story.

I hope I helped here...

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:44:34 -0400
Subject: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)

> Southern idiom:  Northerners can be identified by the spit on inside of
> their car's windshield that comes from yelling at other drivers.

And we Yankees can identify autos owned by Suthunahs by the dark brown
spray of tabacky juice down the left side of the car, starting from the
driver's window.  These of course are the smarter ones, who remembered to
roll their window down first.

Tim Churchill of Boston in the Great April Winter Wonderland

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From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:53:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Hood Pad Clips

>
> This may seem like a trivial question, but...How do I remove the clips
> that are used to install the underhood pads?  I tried to gently pry one
> off, but it didn't want to budge.  I don't want to ruin the clip,
> because I need to use (that is why I posted the question).
>
> TIA
>
> -Dan
>
>
They should just pry right off if they are the plastic type, they
sell the plastic type at any autobody supply shop..
Peter L. House
phouse@feith.com
'87 Cutlass Salon

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 13:58:05 -0400
Subject: Re: 64 F85 Deluxe

"I would also
like to get a little better gas mileage, what can I do to improve that?"

Ron,

Swap in a Quad4.  ;)

 Jim Townsend

 '90 Calais HO Quad4

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:03:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)

Months?  You have too much patience

> What exactly is meant by the term "sleeper"?
>
I have always heard it to mean a car that doesn't look/sound fast either
by condition or model name (ie, a fast Olds 88 4dr), that just happens to
beat the odd sporty looking car (ie. v6/4 c**maro, m***ang, etc..)



Speak before you think, it's more honest that way.




EA~

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From: Timothy Carl Hietpas <thietpas@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:08:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Chicagoland BOP Swap Meet Get Together This Sunday

On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Easton,Jeffrey wrote:

> From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
>
> >  Jeff,
> >
> >  What time does the swap meet start?  Any idea how many venders will be
> >there?
>
> Well, I'm at work and the IVOC newsletter is at home...  But Rick sent me
> mail direct and he thought it opened at 9 or 10 am.
>
> Last year they filled a building with vendors.  Not bad considering there
> wasnt a chevy part in sight.  :-)
>
> -Jeff
> jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
>
> 1970 442  4-Speed
> see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton
>
>
Sorry Guys,  but I missed where the swap meet is and where in Il. is and
the time.  Could you please post this again.

Tim

thietpas@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
1987 Olds 442  Plates [1987 W42]

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:12:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !

Tony Waldner wrote:
>
> While going down Busch Ave,  I noticed a TON of 68-72 Cutlass/442 cars
> parked in what appeared to be a used car lot.

> Is this the same Anderson?

Yup.  He's just the other side of town from me.

>          (   ) 932-5025  Sorry...Don't know the area code!

813

> But now I want my cars and boats out more than ever now after being in
> that Florida sunshine!

Exactly why I moved.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:15:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
>
> And we Yankees can identify autos owned by Suthunahs by the dark brown
> spray of tabacky juice down the left side of the car, starting from the
> driver's window.  These of course are the smarter ones, who remembered
> to roll their window down first.

They roll DOWN???

> Tim Churchill of Boston in the Great April Winter Wonderland

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike (laughing all the way to the pool).


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:17:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)

Or, a "sleeper" could be the kinda car I used to have; the kind where you
step on the gas and it's no different than if you let off the gas.
ie- the results put you to sleep!

         Jim Townsend

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:23:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)

"Boston in the Great April Winter Wonderland"

Tim,

In Flagstaff(Arizona, that is!) we got almost a foot of snow last night
and are expecting a foot more tonite. A few days ago it was around 70
degrees and we were all wearings shorts and T-shirts!
(We sometimes get snow in June, too!)

OLDS CONTENT:
 I don't wanna dig my Olds outta the snow again!  Glad I don't live where
it REALLY snows a lot! ;)

        Jim Townsend

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 06:21:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Hood Pad Clips

     I haven't found a good way to get these off.  I just go ahead and ruin
     them and put on new clips.  Clips are available in the "Help!" section
     at most auto stores, and I also found them in the bulk-hardware
     section at Eagle hardware for something like 15 cents each.  They also
     had the clips that hold door panels on, and lots of others so I spent
     a whopping $5 and stocked up!

     If you just _have_ to keep your original clips, then there's a tool
     for removing door panel clips that may work on the hood clips.  It
     looks about like a 3" wide putty knife with a slot in the middle (sort
     of Y shaped).

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Hood Pad Clips Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    4/1/97 7:37 PM


This may seem like a trivial question, but...How do I remove the clips
that are used to install the underhood pads?  I tried to gently pry one
off, but it didn't want to budge.  I don't want to ruin the clip,
because I need to use (that is why I posted the question).

TIA

- -Dan


------------------------------

From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:26:28 -0400
Subject: Re: More on the Knuckle Sandwich

>OL>I am interested in how much of this will pertain to my '65 Olds 98...
>
>OL>I am looking to rebuild the front suspension. Most people talk about 442,
>OL>Cutlass, etc. but no one knows much about the 98's.
>
>
>OL>Any other ideas???
>
>
>
>Try p.s.t  p.o. box 396    montville, nj    07045
>1-800-247-2288
>I got front end rebuild for my '65 dynamic there. If you can't find a
>center link let my know I know somebody that has a couple rebuilt units.
>
>Daren     '65 Dynamic "88"

Tried PST and made several calls to Energy Suspensions.

PST has the anti-sway bars, but not much else. I want to go with
polygraphite bushings ( I put these on the rear suspension and like them).

Along this thread, I was looking for aftermarket parts for the front end
that would add some handling benefits over just replacing with stock or OEM
parts.


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:31:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)

My idea for a sleeper wagon:
Take a wagon like the one that the two brother named Jim have (from the
movie "Out on a Limb", with Matthew Broderick(sp?) ), but give it a
really nice interior, steering, susp; with a super-mega-torque 455 and a
6-speed tranny and low-gear rear.
The wagon looks like a rolling trash-heap(with a the bumper hanging
off, even). But mine would make trash outta any challenger! [Maybe pun
intended! ;) ]

   Jim Townsend
On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Eric Aksomitis wrote:

> Months?  You have too much patience
>
> > What exactly is meant by the term "sleeper"?
> >
> I have always heard it to mean a car that doesn't look/sound fast either
> by condition or model name (ie, a fast Olds 88 4dr), that just happens to
> beat the odd sporty looking car (ie. v6/4 c**maro, m***ang, etc..)
>
>
>
> Speak before you think, it's more honest that way.
>
>
>
>
> EA~
>
>

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From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:51:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Chicagoland BOP Swap Meet Get Together This Sunday

>Sorry Guys,  but I missed where the swap meet is and where in Il. is and
>the time.  Could you please post this again.
>
>Tim
>
>thietpas@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
>1987 Olds 442  Plates [1987 W42]
>
>
>

   Tim,


  It is at the DuPage County Fair Grounds and starts at 9:00 A.M. this
Sunday.  For more info see Bryceman's Page for upcoming events.


 Paul Brillhart

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