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oldsmobile-digest          Thursday, 3 April 1997       Volume 01 : Number 591

Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)
Re: Shave 2 seconds off your timeslips
Re: Misc comments and feedback
New Olds road trip home
Re: Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)
RE: 455 with Quiet exhuast?
Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)
Re: Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)
Re: F85
More to make Dustin drool / FS in MT
Planes, trains, and Oldsmobiles!
Circle track Olds?
Hood pad clips
T-Tops
Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)
Re: Shave 2 seconds off your timeslips
Car shipping costs (was Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !
One question
Re: Bodies
Re: One question
Re: One question
Re: 330 Jetfire mods...
Re: Fake 442?
Re: Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)
Small starters
Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)
Getting Hooked Up
Re: Planes, trains, and Oldsmobiles!
Compression ratios
Desirability (was: Fake 442?)
Re: Small starters
Re: Compression ratios
Re: Looking for SSI wheels
Re: Well, one thing do to a Toro
Re: F85
Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)
Looking for a 70 Ram Air Hood @ 70 OAI Assy @ Tic-toc tac
Re: Compression ratios
Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)
Cutlass
Re: Compression ratios
Re: Compression ratios
Questins?????????
'70 Vista Cruiser
Re: Compression ratios
Re: Junkyard report
Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage
Re: Car shipping costs (was Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !
Re[2]: Improving 307 performance on low-budget
Re: What was that intake?
intake manifold ?
need parts,parts, and more....
A/C trouble
3-speed to 4-speed in Delta 88
Re: A/C trouble

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 15:20:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)

Jim Townsend laments:

> In Flagstaff(Arizona, that is!) we got almost a foot of snow last night
> and are expecting a foot more tonite. A few days ago it was around 70
> degrees and we were all wearings shorts and T-shirts!
> (We sometimes get snow in June, too!)

Jim,

It was 65 & sunny on Easter Sunday in Mass.; lotsa bikes & top-downs,
including at least one Delta 88 I saw -- There's the Olds content.

Then a Nor'Easter came through on Monday, and by Tues. morn we had 30 inches
of the white stuff in Framingham, more than what fell all winter.  It was
the 3rd biggest storm recorded and the biggest by far in April.
And they predict it'll be in the mid 60s again by Friday.

Well, Big Red will *still* be out by Patriot's Day!

Note to Bill, Mike F., et al: Contrary to what you Southerners might think,
Patriot's Day celebrates the April 1775 Battle of Concord, NOT any Civi.. err,
"War of Northern Aggression" events.  Also, we run a li'l marathon on that
day.



Tim (Who Won't Put the Snow Blower Away til May 10th, Remembering the
Snowstorm of May 9th, 1977) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:51:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Shave 2 seconds off your timeslips

Jim Townsend suggests:

> If you want to shave more than a few seconds from your timeslips, just do
> the ol' Han Solo thing: install an illegal 0.5-Class hyperdrive! (It's
> not an Olds unit but it'll have to do 'till Olds makes one of their own.)
> You're guaranteed to have the fastest hunk o' junk in the galaxy!

So, then it'll do the 1/4 mile in 12 parsecs?

Aye, but where d'ya put the dilithium crystals?

(yeah, yeah, I know -- Star Wars, not Trek)




Tim (Wishes he Could Set a Phaser on 'Melt' Today) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 11:13:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Misc comments and feedback

> >Also, with all this talk of engines running at peak effiency, etc.,
whatever > >happened to > >that CVT someone tried in a car (resembled
ski-doo clutch, but in a car) > > I think that some Japanese car company was
developing a variable tranny, is > that what you mean by CVT?  I think it was
Honda.  I'm not sure if it made > it to production but it wasn't half bad
judging from the article I read > (skimmed) in one of thoes
motor&track&driver&whatever magazines.

This may already be answred by someone else -- I have a lotta mail to read,
didna have access to my e-mail during the course of our li'l snowfall here
in New England :) -- but the Japanese manufacturer with the CVT was Subaru.
My sister-in-law had a '90 4wd Justy with this tranny in it.

FWIW...

(Olds content -- Big Red's emergence from hibernation probably just got
pushed back a couple of weeks due to the fun we had yesterday -- gotta
love New England weather!)




Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:01:20 -0400
Subject: New Olds road trip home

OTOH, driving the car back could (BIG COULD) be a fun trip. Road Trip!!
Something you will remember forever, hopefully all about the good times
driving the new Olds addition. The info below can hopefully help reduce the
gotchas involved in such a long trip with an unfamiliar car.

Fly out, with a small set of tools adequate to do most jobs (this can fit
into one of those 3"x5"x12" tool boxes). Bring your ohm/volt meter. Pick the
car up, along with
     o 2 cases oil                 $24
     o 5 qts trans fluid           $ 8
     o 2 gals anti-freeze          $ 8
     o 2 gals distilled water      $ 2
     o 1 pint brake fluid          $ 2
     o 1 pint ps fluid             $ 2
     o 2 qts gear oil              $ 4
     o 2 up to 1/2" hose clamps    $ 2
     o 2 up to 1" hose clamps      $ 2
     o 2 up to 3" hose clamps      $ 2
     o 1 can penetrating oil       $ 4
     o form-a-gasket RTV           $ 4
     o duct tape                   $ 2
     o electrical tape             $ 1
                                   ---
                                 ~ $67

These items should allow you to "limp" the car to a service station, or get it
 home. Anything not used on the trip will get used when you start going over
the car. While you are at it, and since the car will probably need new ones,
purchase the high quality belts now. Or take along a pair or two of pantyhose
to make that emergency belt (put these in a brown paper bag so no one sees
them! :)).

Get the oil changed, maybe the trans fluid also. Maybe replace the fuel hoses
and fuel filter. Maybe have the wheels and drums pulled to check for
axle/wheel cylinder/caliper leakage. Have this done somewhere that will let
you look under the car for other gotchas.

When you get the car, check the fluids and condition of belts and hoses. Warm
the engine and take a look around for leaks and at fluid levels. Check the
battery and alternator output with your voltmeter. Drive about 10 minutes (to
pick up the above items), and take another look for leaks and at fluid levels.
 Check alt. output. After a continuous drive of 20 or 30 minutes, take
another look. Check alt. output. Check again in another hour. At this point
you should have a confidence level in how often you need to stop, check and
refill. Of course, if it leaks/burns enough in 20 minutes to need a refill,
that should be your check interval.

Any other suggestions?

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com, http://www.en.com/users/thall, or
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Get a copy for local viewing from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- ------------

>Does anyone know how much it costs to have a car shipped from say
>Florida to California.  Is it cost prohibitive?
>
>Chris Sparks
>68 442 (looking for a sister)

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From: "John M. Barnes" <CHMPFISH@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:09:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)

blaines wrote:
>
> OK, that does it!  I've been waiting for months hoping that someone else
> would ask this question, but I guess I'm going to have to take the shame...
>
> What exactly is meant by the term "sleeper"?
>
> ----------
> >           suspension parts, one could build a real sleeper Caddy.  I


I believe the term "sleeper" comes from a plain, standard looking car that
runs good enough to beat the suped-up, flashy cars. The "sleeper" would lull
the other driver to sleep thinking the car was a stock plain-jane model, then
blow the doors off.

For example - an Olds Ventura with a 440 CID Olds small block, one of those
new over drive automatics and 4.11 rear. Plain paint, subtle wheels. Your
average commode, er ..., uh Camero would look at that car and determine it
could not outrun a school bus. Then you embarass the young lug nut in front
of his girlfriend by blowing him away by eight car lengths. Now thats a
sleeper! ;-)

John

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From: "Aaron R. Weimer" <aweimer@ameritech.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:20:38 -0400
Subject: RE: 455 with Quiet exhuast?

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Sneek up on them like an F16 on a strafing run!


Thomas Martin

[Aaron R. Weimer]
I think I need to have two exhaust systems.. with a throw switch to change
between them.

Aaron

1972 4-4-2 W30
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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:27:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
>
> Note to Bill, Mike F., et al: Contrary to what you Southerners might
> think, Patriot's Day celebrates the April 1775 Battle of Concord, NOT
> any Civi.. err, "War of Northern Aggression" events.  Also, we run a
> li'l marathon on that day.

Seem to remember y'all running marathons on a few other occasions.   ;)

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "Mastermind" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:24:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)

Uh-huh-huh... ;) That's actually what I had envisioned at first.  But now I
know the *real* meaning.  Thanks everyone.

- ----------
> Or, a "sleeper" could be the kinda car I used to have; the kind where you
> step on the gas and it's no different than if you let off the gas.
> ie- the results put you to sleep!
>
>          Jim Townsend
>

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From: Midn Ronnie D Merrill <m984488@nadn.navy.mil>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:03:32 -0400
Subject: Re: F85

However,
> your sway bar should be rubbing on your oil pan regardless of how
> shot the springs are...

I apologize for not knowing the correct terms here, I will try to describe
what is rubbing. It is a bar that looks like it connects the box at the
end of the steering column to the steering mechanism attached to the right
front tire. the point of contact is just in front of the frame that the
engine mounts are on.
I am not sure if this is related, but there seems to be a ton of
play in the steering. I can turn the wheel almost a quarter turn without a
reaction at times. That is not not normal, is it?

> better gas milage? good luck... do you have a 330 v8 2bbl or 4bbl, or do
> you have the v6 engine?

I have a 330 v8 2bbl w/AC, power breaks and steering.  Is it wise to stick
with the stock carb. or should I switch to an aftermarket carb.? I would be
willing to do a manifold switch if a 4bbl would be better.

> I've got a 64 F-85,  I've had it for 10 years and I know a good bit about
> them, as well as parts sources.

Parts I know I will be needing are chrome wheel trim and molding, steering
wheel, seat belts, cigarette lighter, all the whether stripping, glove box.
Others... we'll see.

One other quick question, why is the symbol on my steering wheel and wheel
covers, different from the usual olds' symbol. It looks something like
this:

   /-------- --------\
  /        | |        \
 /______   | |   ______\
        |  | |  |
        |  | |  |
        |  | |  |
        |  | |  |
        |__| |__|

Thanks for the help so far.

Ron

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:08:24 -0400
Subject: More to make Dustin drool / FS in MT

Well, Dustin sent me a little reprimand for pointing out another musclecar
to make him drool. (Old room-mate, he's entitled!)  Sorry to break it to ya,
Duster, but I got another one for you!  (And for anyone else interested...)
Here in Havre we have Tradio, kind of a radio classified ad deal.  I was
sleeping through my alarm clock the other morning, when the radio in the
background woke me up (no, it didn't just get louder, it'd been going all
morning...)  I heard the words "I have for sale a 1966 Oldsmobile 442" and
that's all it took.  I was up like a ... uh, well I got up ~really ~ quick
and grabbed a pen.  It's got a parts car with it, and is apparantly a
project car, from the way she described it.  It's got a 400 in it.  That's
all the guy's wife knew, and that's all I can say about it.  It's about 30
miles from me, so I haven't gone to look at it yet.  She said he's looking
for about $1500 for 442 and parts car.  If anyone is really interested, let
me know, 'cuz I could use an excuse to go look at it :)  (I can't afford to
buy it, though...)

And if anyone needs ideas for a really great alarm clock...


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:24:36 -0400
Subject: Planes, trains, and Oldsmobiles!

><< >Trains are not driven by the diesel motors.  The primary mover is
>electric,
> >the power for which comes from the running of the diesel motors, to
>generate
> >the electricity.
> >
> >Chris Ruper
> >
>
> Actually the prime mover is the diesel, (prime = first) and the electric
> motor moves the train.  And I must take partial exception, as trains are
> driven by engineers; not diesel or electric power.  Ha Ha, and in England I
> think they are called 'engine drivers.'
>
> The Wiz >>
>
>Hey, that's what I said....    my meaning of "prime" was that the electric
>actually does the moving of the train.
>
>Chris Ruper
>

Wait, now.  You're confusing me.  I thought the wheels moved the train, and
a bunch other things moved the wheels.  Hmph.  I'll just stick to the
ch*vies--much easier.  Everyone knows their prime mover is the tow rope!   :)

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:24:32 -0400
Subject: Circle track Olds?

>
>Wow, I never realized they were that expensive. For that price drop in a ZZ4
>H.O. 350 Chevy and add a Vortech supercharger. My uncle's super late model
>race engines cost around that. 355 Chevy SB with 12:1 compression and makes
>roughly 550 hp, but have a short life span before they need to be torn down
>and rebuilt, usually 4-5 weekends or racing..
>Tech question: Would an Olds engine make a good short track (oval racing)
>engine that could stand 100-150 lap main events? I have never seen an Olds
>engine in the years that I have observed short track racing. Or are Olds
>engines more suitable to 1/4 mile passes?
>
"...  'Cuz she was made for straightaways...  She grew up hatin'
che*rolets..."

My guess would be that a small block Olds would be just great for it.  My
experience with the big blocks is that they don't like hanging out at high
rpms for too long.  Of course, mine hadn't been built for it, either, so I
can't say ~too~ much on that subject.  My 350 could run 6 Grand all day, and
I'd had 'er past 8 many times.  I'd guess this type of stuff would be common
in round racing.  (Which I never do, so again, I have to add the "I don't
know Jack" disclaimer!)


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:34:14 -0400
Subject: Hood pad clips

>This may seem like a trivial question, but...How do I remove the clips
>that are used to install the underhood pads?  I tried to gently pry one
>off, but it didn't want to budge.  I don't want to ruin the clip,
>because I need to use (that is why I posted the question).
>
>TIA
>
Try those little door panel tools.  Has a notched end, and works great for
the christmas tree clips.  (I think most of the hood pad retainers were of
that style...)  I've used the hell out of mine.  Great investment if you do
much car work at all.

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 18:34:11 -0400
Subject: T-Tops

>>
>> Are the T-tops on the 84 Hurst Olds different than the t-tops on a regular
>> Cutlass.
>>
>> Josh
>
>
>NOPE!  In fact, the 84 through 87 Cutlass/Hurst/442 T-Tops are the
>same.  I'm not sure about the pre-84 or 88 RWD though.
>
I have a set of spare tops from a '79.  The glass is the same as the 83's,
but the latch is different, and they won't clamp down.

Parts book shows same ª's for 82 to 88, but they show a latch ª change in
'86.  Of course, I have yet to see a RWD Cutlass of '88 model year, ever....
Much less an '88 with T-tops...   Hmm.


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:38:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)

Snips

>Note to Bill, Mike F., et al: Contrary to what you Southerners might think,
>Patriot's Day celebrates the April 1775 Battle of Concord, NOT any Civi..
err, >"War of Northern Aggression" events.  Also, we run a li'l marathon on
that day.

Do you mean the shot heard 'round the world?

>
>Tim (Who Won't Put the Snow Blower Away til May 10th, Remembering the
>Snowstorm of May 9th, 1977) Churchill
>-------------
>'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
>'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
>'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
>
>
Sir,

I'll have you know that that war was properly called the war of Southern
Rebellion; however IF there had been better Generalship on the first day a
Gettysburg, things may have been different.  There was opportunity lost; and
like the nail of a battle in a prior time; for want of a General the war was
lost; the war of Northern Aggression for all intents and purposes ended
there: and the winners get to pick the names.

The Wiz

P.S. However for you die hards, why not join the Confederate Government in
exile.  Brazil isn't that bad a place.

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 19:40:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Shave 2 seconds off your timeslips

At 11:51 AM 4/2/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Jim Townsend suggests:
>
>> If you want to shave more than a few seconds from your timeslips, just do
>> the ol' Han Solo thing: install an illegal 0.5-Class hyperdrive! (It's
>> not an Olds unit but it'll have to do 'till Olds makes one of their own.)
>> You're guaranteed to have the fastest hunk o' junk in the galaxy!
>
>So, then it'll do the 1/4 mile in 12 parsecs?

Sorry but a parsec is a measure of distance, not time!

>Aye, but where d'ya put the dilithium crystals?

Borrow Doc Brown's Delorean and they go in the back.

>(yeah, yeah, I know -- Star Wars, not Trek)
>
>
>
>
>Tim (Wishes he Could Set a Phaser on 'Melt' Today) Churchill
>-------------
>'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
>'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
>'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
>
>
>

------------------------------

From: Barnacle Bill <wreilly@acad.bryant.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:02:34 -0400
Subject: Car shipping costs (was Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !

On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> Does anyone know how much it costs to have a car shipped from say
> Florida to California.  Is it cost prohibitive?
>
> Chris Sparks
> 68 442 (looking for a sister)
>
I checked into this recently when I tried to persuade my mother to
let my brother buy a 72 vista Cruiser from Minnesota (somewhere out west).
It woulda cost me $700 to ship it from there to Rhode Island, door to door
even.  Of course it was an open carrier and the car ran.  I think deals
can be found for cross country though.  It seemed like alot of carriers
specialized in cross country runs.

Hope this helped a little.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: Barnacle Bill <wreilly@acad.bryant.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:05:06 -0400
Subject: One question

OK, I've finnally got the guts to ask this question.

What is the difference between a regular Cutlass and a post coupe?

Thanks in advance for clearing this up for me.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: Slowmobile@aol.com
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:17:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Bodies

Yes, it would.

------------------------------

From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:20:38 -0400
Subject: Re: One question

I think the difference is whether the coupe front window is enclosed within
a metal frame (a post coupe) or not (regular cutlass). The post coupes I've
come across are generally less well optioned, but I could see where they
might be quieter than glass on rubber sealing systems as in the non-post-style
 cars. Convertibles are all non post, except some obcure Euro-stuff, but I
don't think they ever had 455 toro motors in the trunk or under the hood...

Hope that helps
cf

------------------------------

From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:24:25 -0400
Subject: Re: One question

on a post coupe, the door glass is "framed" in, and the glass travel up
and down guided by the channells as  different from a hardtop style
which has no frames showing when all the windows are down.
        See you in Lansing, Doug

------------------------------

From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:31:13 -0400
Subject: Re: 330 Jetfire mods...

Ted,
     I'm sold on the HEI, it's easy, and you get a more powerfull spark.
I did you an MSD module though, the spark  voltage wont begin to drop
above 4000 rpm as per stock. I also used the MSD coil, cap, rotor and
wires, makes a very clean set up. Recommend checking carb linkage
clearances first. I used a hi rise Edlebrock Performer and had to
convert to a '68 throttle cable.
                        Doug

------------------------------

From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:50:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Fake 442?

Thomas Martin wrote:
>
> Did Olds ever make a Post 442?  I saw one (1970 model) at a rinky dink
> car dealer (in STL) several years ago and suspected it was a fake, was
> it?  Had 442 badges, and the ram air hood (W-??).
>
> If you are not well edumacated on 442's, what is the best way to spot a
> fake?
>
> Did all 442's up till 69-76 have 455's?
>
> Thanks
> Thomas Martin

The door post is real for a 442, it is considered to be somewhat rare.
These cars are said to have better potential for drag cars because the
post strengthens the body/frame.  The 455 came with most 442's after
'69.  You can tell if it is a real 442 if the VIN ª has the first 3
numbers 344....
Brad
70 442

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:56:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Sleeper? (was: Re[4]: Bodies)

At 05:09 PM 4/2/97 -0400, John M. Barnes wrote:

>For example - an Olds Ventura with a 440 CID Olds small block, one of those
new over
>drive automatics and 4.11 rear. Plain paint, subtle wheels. Your average
commode, er
>..., uh Camero


Who makes the Camero? I have never seen one honestly....
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

------------------------------

From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:58:10 -0400
Subject: Small starters

I'm looking for a way to fit a starter onto my car.  The stock starter
almost fits, but touches the headers.  There are aftermarket starters
that are smaller, but the ones I have seen cost about $250.  For that
price, I'd wrap my starter motor in a heat shield and try that until
something goes wrong and then pay the 39.95 for a rebuilt one.  The
headers won't ding, they're Doug Tholorley's.
Any suggestions???
Brad
70 442

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:52:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
>
>
> Well, Big Red will *still* be out by Patriot's Day!
>
> Note to Bill, Mike F., et al: Contrary to what you Southerners might think,
> Patriot's Day celebrates the April 1775 Battle of Concord, NOT any Civi..
err, > "War of Northern Aggression" events.  Also, we run a li'l marathon on
that day. > > Tim

Tim,

Is that where the tradition came from.  My grandma told me about how
well Yankees could run.

It has been quite nice here since 1 March.  We may get some rain out of
this last storm over the weekend though.  That may spoil the cruise &
parade at sonic.  I guess that means the top goes up on the 442
Saturday.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

Southern idiom:  When moving into your new southern home, have the
moving men leave the freezer on the front porch.  This way you won't
look out of place.

------------------------------

From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:02:38 -0400
Subject: Getting Hooked Up

Here's the plan...
To get my newly rebuilt 455 (400+hp/550+lbs/tq) hooked up to the
pavement.  I need a "posi" style unit to fit into the Olds 12 bolt rear
end.  I'd like to also lower the gear ratio to about 3.50 or 3.73's.
I'll be running 255/60/15's for the rear tires.  the tires are easy to
get, who can supply a limited slip rear end to fit my '70 442 12-bolt
rear end?
Brad
70 442

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:01:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Planes, trains, and Oldsmobiles!

At 06:24 PM 4/2/97 -0400, Charley Buehner wrote:
>Wait, now.  You're confusing me.  I thought the wheels moved the train, and
>a bunch other things moved the wheels.  Hmph.  I'll just stick to the
>ch*vies--much easier.  Everyone knows their prime mover is the tow rope!   :)

Actually that is very much true. Most of the cars towed in to our yard are
Chevy's, followed closely by 80's Oldsmobiles especially the big cars..
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

------------------------------

From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:32:50 -0400
Subject: Compression ratios

When I had my engine rebuilt, I had the option of using either 10:1
compression or 8.6:1.  I opted for the 8.6:1 compression so it would run
better on pump gas and possibly last longer.  But I want to know
exactally what performance I have lost by doing so.
Brad
70 442

------------------------------

From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@Direct.CA>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 20:39:56 -0400
Subject: Desirability (was: Fake 442?)

At 08:50 AM 4/2/97 -0400, John Pajak wrote:
>
>
>>Mike Rothe wrote:
>>
>><SNIP> YES, they made post 442's in 1970, but they were not made in mass
>>numbers like the hardtop coupes.  Rare, but not that desirable by the mass
>>442 fans.
>
>*********************
>Desirable YES!! Any post model Olds, especially a 442 is sought after
>because it's not the norm. Of all the hardtop Cutlasses I've had, I own a
>grand total of ONE post car.

I would like to start off by saying that I do not have any bias towards
either type of automobile as I think that both are unique and beautiful in
their own respect and that I like them equally.

I guess it all depends on what your preference is now at this time.  The
reason so few post(coupe) cars were made is simple... not many people
wanted them back then and therefore they did not order them.  They were
also the base model and thus many buyers wanted something a little more
than basic.  On the other hand, there were also fewer ragtops made.  Does
this mean that they too were not wanted?  Well yes and no.  First of, they
were more money and so fewer people were in a position to afford them.
Secondly, they were really only practical in the southern warmer climates
and not everyone lived in these areas.

As far as desirability is concerned, it all depends on what the 'market'
will pay.  And from what I have seen advertised and sold over the years,
the convertibles sell for the most followed by the hardtop and lastly the
club coupe.  The following is an excerpt from Old Cars Price Guide: "Our
prices come from compilations of national/regional data by the editors of
our weekly publication, Old Cars Weekly News & Marketplace.  These data
include prices form collector-car auctions, verified reports of private
sales, and input from experts."
eg. Oldsmobile 1970

Condition-->654321

4-4-2 Post$500$1550$2600$5200$9100$13000
2dHT$700$2150$3600$7200$12600$18000
Conv.$800$2500$4200$8400$14700$21000

All years ('64-'72) of Oldsmobiles, regardless of 4-4-2 or Cutlass, show
very similar price patterns and thus it shows that the desirability of
convertibles is high followed by hardtops followed by post coupes.  This is
not my opinion but what the 'market' is actually paying for these
automobiles.  Therefore the post coupe may in fact be very desirable to a
few people but the current market says and shows that the other models are
more desirable.


Nick DiGiovanni
ndigiova@Direct.CA
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
1970 4-4-2

------------------------------

From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:46:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Small starters

Brad,
      I went through the same experience, the headers will "ding" but
you have to get them very hot. These are the instructions I got from
Doug Thorley. I got out the old gas torches and heated slowly on the
area till almost glowing, and then hammered a spot to clear the starter.
I also contacted the Hamburger Co.(a division of Mr. Gasket) they have a
starter they say will work, because they claim the mounting block is
adjustable. I haven't try this starter yet.$$$!! I did try another
aftermarket hi-perf hi-torque mini starter but the solenoid is clocked
away from the engine block causing a bigger interference problem. I
called others and they have the same design, except the Hamburger brand,
so if you try one of these let me know how if fits. For noe I'll keep my
trusty Delco.
                    Perfect 10, Doug, '67 4-4-2

------------------------------

From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 21:58:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Compression ratios

Brad,
       I faced the same decision on my 455, but after researching I
found that the TRW forged pistons "rated" at 10.25 actually only made
about 9.5 with
c heads and head gasket is figured in. You might have lost some torque
but only a dyno or someone with first hand experiece, like  Joe Mondello
could tell you how much horsepower your down. I think it'll still be
killer. I haven't had any problems running premium pump gas.
Try to find a salvage yard unit for your 12 bolt posi, hard but
possible. You might have to call manufactures like Auburn for a new
unit.
            Rockets Rule, Doug

------------------------------

From: John Oder <jaoder@navix.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:02:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for SSI wheels

Oldoldsguy@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 4/1/97 2:50:21 PM, you wrote:
>
> <<I have friend who does not have access to e-mail yet who is looking for
> a set of SSI wheels for his 70 W-31 4/SP if any one has a set they want
> to part with let me know.>>
>
> John I have some-$75 each-hope this helps!
I would be interested in visiting with you on the SSI wheels.
I own a 70 w-31 and am interested in the SSI instead of the SSII
which I own now. My name is Tom Williams and my phone number is
402-564-3092 or E mail us your phone number and I will contact you.

                                             Thanks!

------------------------------

From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:12:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Well, one thing do to a Toro

Dan,
     Have you tryed Kanter Auto Products,(800)526-1096, they have
rebuild kits for alot of the cars that the hi-perf mnfrs overlook. Don't
forget to check with Moog.

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 22:15:23 -0400
Subject: Re: F85

At 05:03 PM 4/2/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>However,
>> your sway bar should be rubbing on your oil pan regardless of how
>> shot the springs are...

"should NOT be rubbing..."

>I apologize for not knowing the correct terms here, I will try to describe
>what is rubbing. It is a bar that looks like it connects the box at the
>end of the steering column to the steering mechanism attached to the right
>front tire. the point of contact is just in front of the frame that the
>engine mounts are on.

Um, that would be your Center link, sometimes called the "drag link". And
*_NO_*!!!! it should *_NOT_* be RUBBING!!!!

>I am not sure if this is related, but there seems to be a ton of
>play in the steering. I can turn the wheel almost a quarter turn without a
>reaction at times. That is not not normal, is it?

 =O

Nah, let it get to the point where you can give the wheel a *full* turn
before the wheels begin to move.... OF COURSE IT'S NOT NORMAL!!! It's
downright DANGEROUS!!!

You've likely got a shot, or from the sound of it, a broken idler arm. This
is bad. Dangerous. Hazardous to your health, the health of your passengers,
the occupants of the cars around you, the pedestrians on the sidwalk, stray
dogs, world peace, etc...

IMMEDIATELY (tomorrow morning would not be too soon) get checked out by a
suspension or alignement shop, if you're not absolutely sure how to do it
yourself, the following items:

* Ball Joints (four)
* Idler Arm (one)
* Tie Rods (four)
* Pitman Arm (one)
* Center Link (one)
* Flexible steering coupler (aka "rag joint"- one of those)

Your tires should turn *immediately* upon turning the steering wheel. Maybe
not a lot, but you should get at least *some* response.

>I have a 330 v8 2bbl w/AC, power breaks and steering.  Is it wise to stick
>with the stock carb. or should I switch to an aftermarket carb.? I would be
>willing to do a manifold switch if a 4bbl would be better.

Well, a 4-bbl would give you better performance, but you'd have to open up
the exhaust to realize the full benefits (do you have dual or single exhaust
now?). An Edelbrock Performer and one of their 600cfm Performer carbs would
be a nice setup for you. AFTER you get that front-end work done!

No, seriously, the condition you describe is absolutely dangerous. If you
don't break your steering, you'll at least cause excess damage to the other
parts of your suspension and steering linkage. Get that fixed *immediately*!!!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:36:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
>
> > Southern idiom:  Northerners can be identified by the spit on inside of
> > their car's windshield that comes from yelling at other drivers.
>
> And we Yankees can identify autos owned by Suthunahs by the dark brown
> spray of tabacky juice down the left side of the car, starting from the
> driver's window.  These of course are the smarter ones, who remembered to
> roll their window down first.
>
> Tim Churchill of Boston in the Great April Winter Wonderland

Tim,

I once had a student who spit tobacco juice out of his window
constantly.  His tan Maverick was a mess all down the side.  When
another student asked why he didn't wash it sometime, he replied, "Do
you think that I would touch that thing?"  It being a Maverick, I
thought they deserved each other.  If he had had an Olds, he would have
never graduated.

Another student had a chewing problem & unfortunately developed cancer
on one side of his jaw.  He had rather complicated surgery which
involved reconstruction & many months of recovery.  By the next school
year, he was back to chewing.  I asked him why he was chewing again.
His reply was, "Don't worry.  I never chew on the side that had the
surgery."  He drove a Camaro but loved to ride in my 442.  Maybe he has
a dependable car now.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

Southern idiom:  A few years ago when bathroom & kitchen carpeting was
the vogue, a skeptical neighbor told me he was getting carpeting in his
bathroom.  He continued that if his wife liked it they were going to
carpet all the way to the house.

------------------------------

From: John Oder <jaoder@navix.net>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:03:54 -0400
Subject: Looking for a 70 Ram Air Hood @ 70 OAI Assy @ Tic-toc tac

Hi All,

I am looking for a nice/restorable 70 Ram Air Hood and OAI Assy for my
70 SX W-32.  I have a friend that has a 70 W31 that is looking for a
tic-toc-tac, if any one has one of these please let me know.

Thanks,

John Oder
70 Cutlass SX W-32
70 Cuda 383 Convertible

------------------------------

From: IRONMAN <jev114@psu.edu>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 23:23:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Compression ratios

At 09:32 PM 4/2/97 -0400, you wrote:
>When I had my engine rebuilt, I had the option of using either 10:1
>compression or 8.6:1.  I opted for the 8.6:1 compression so it would run
>better on pump gas and possibly last longer.  But I want to know
>exactally what performance I have lost by doing so.

you lost big time power..instead of 380hp and 4 barrel you probably gonna
have approx 300hp...hope it can get out of it's own way.

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 14:43:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Nawthun Idiom (WAS Re: chrome trim-68 Cutlass)

>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>
>Southern idiom:  When moving into your new southern home, have the
>moving men leave the freezer on the front porch.  This way you won't
>look out of place.
>
And no southern abode is complete without a porch couch....But when we moved
that recliner out there the neighbors accused us of puttin' on airs.

Olds content:  I could probably fit a recliner in my Vista-Cruiser.

Greg Pruett
Salem, Virginia

`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: Steven Karlecke <SDKAR@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:28:35 -0400
Subject: Cutlass

Hello,

I have a 1970 Cutlass Convertible with a 350  2bbl, with power seat, pwr
trunk, pwr disc brakes, air conditioning.  It is in completely original
conditon.  I was wondering how many convertibles were made in this year
and if this car is considered at least some what valuable and worth
restoring.  I would also like any info on specifications and restoration
of this car.  Please email me with an helpful info or where I may find
it.

Thanks,


Steve
SDKAR@worldnet.att.net

------------------------------

From: naylor@myriad.net (Annette Naylor)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 00:03:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Compression ratios

>When I had my engine rebuilt, I had the option of using either 10:1
>compression or 8.6:1.  I opted for the 8.6:1 compression so it would run
>better on pump gas and possibly last longer.  But I want to know
>exactally what performance I have lost by doing so.
>Brad
>70 442
>
>I would estimate 50 hp loss on a 400 engine.

Ray Naylor

------------------------------

From: naylor@myriad.net (Annette Naylor)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 00:03:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Compression ratios

>When I had my engine rebuilt, I had the option of using either 10:1
>compression or 8.6:1.  I opted for the 8.6:1 compression so it would run
>better on pump gas and possibly last longer.  But I want to know
>exactally what performance I have lost by doing so.
>Brad
>70 442
>
>I would estimate 50 hp loss on a 400 engine.

Ray Naylor

------------------------------

From: NjOlds@aol.com
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 00:04:21 -0400
Subject: Questins?????????

         Hello its Enio, again w/more questions on my '87 Olds. Cut. Sup. 307
ci.

   ª 1.) I want to change my exhaust on my car but don't want to go crazy
with it.  The factory exhaust is still on.  I want to know whether to put on
a cat-back or a true dual exhaust(headers back) and I don't want it to sound
too loud but want to have a nice sound and still have good power.  What
should I do?

   ª 2.) I'm also having trouble finding how to adjust and tighten the power
steering belt because its squeeking.  I have looked for something to adjust
the belt but can't seem to find it.  Can someone help me?

   I just started trying to restore and sup up my Olds. and still learning
about fixing cars.  Thats why my questions may sound kind of stupid.  If
someone can help me please E-Mail me at NjOlds@aol.com.  Thanx.

------------------------------

From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 00:33:47 -0400
Subject: '70 Vista Cruiser

   A good friend just bought a '70 Vista Cruiser that he wants to put back
together and is in really good shape.  It has 77,000 miles on it with an
excellent interior and most of the body except for right front.  It got hit
pretty good on the right front and needs the inner and outer fender, lower
and probably upper a-frames as well as steering link and maybe a couple of
other suspension pieces. The frame seems to be unscathed but won't know
until it gets gauged.  He's located much of what he needs except for the
hood. So we need to know if the '70 cutlass hood is the same as the Vista
Cruiser hood.

 Thanks
 Glenn    gpc442@bufnet.net

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 00:34:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Compression ratios

>>When I had my engine rebuilt, I had the option of using either 10:1
>>compression or 8.6:1.  I opted for the 8.6:1 compression so it would run
>>better on pump gas and possibly last longer.  But I want to know
>>exactally what performance I have lost by doing so.
>>Brad
>>70 442

This may be like comparing apples to oranges but it can give you some
insight. The 350 in my 80 Cutlass has 160 hp, 275 torque and an 8.5:1
compression ratio. The 350 Chevy in my 93 Camaro has more emissions/smog
crap attached to it and makes 275 hp, 350 torque with a 10.5:1 compression
ratio.

On a different note,  I find it  surprising that my Cutlass is 400 lbs
lighter than my Z/28, and the Cutlass has a full frame/full metal body while
the Camaro has mostly a SMC (fiberglass) body. Fiberglass must be heavy....
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

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From: adamco@infowest.com (Monson)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:02:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Junkyard report

>Enjoyed the wonderful weather on the weekend and checked out the local
>junkyard scene.  It must have been Toronado day, because I saw a '67 and
>5 '69 Toros.  Three of the '69's were in one excellent yard, and had
>complete engines in them.  One had a headless shortblock, which I got
>for a mere $75.  I also saw:
>
>68 Sport Coupe Cutlass and a '68 convert.
>Several Vista Cruisers (68-early 70's)
>Several 67-69 88/98's, many with complete engines and several rag top
>versions.
>
>Out of the 5 yards I visited, only the last one (of course) was worth
>going to.  In fact, it was the mother lode of 1950's to late 60's cars.
>I would rate it as the best yard I've ever been in.  I could not find a
>single 69-72 Cutlass, which I found hard to believe, but the three Toros
>and several 88/98's with complete engines made the trip worth while.
>It took me about 3 hours to go through half of the cars, including many
>hidden away in the woods.  Ah, it did my heart good to find all of these
>old cars, considering the recent doom and gloom on the digest regarding
>Hall's passing.  I will be attending Carlisle on April 18, so if anyone
>has a specific want, let me know, and I'll bring it to Carlisle with me.
> I'll be returning to the yard this weekend to get one of the several
>sets of C and/or E heads that I discovered.  All this talk of
>disappearing cars has turned on my pack rat instincts.

Where are these junkyards at?  I own a 1953 Super 88.  Were there any
there?  I am also looking for a rear window for my car.  Did you happen to
see any?  Any information would be helpful.

Youngin'

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From: adamco@infowest.com (Monson)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:07:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage

>From: Michael Baugher on 04/02/97 09:55 AM
>
>     P.S...to the gentleman looking for a 53 rear window, sorry, no luck...

I truly appreciate you looking for me.  Fortunately I found what I was
looking for from another memeber.  It looks like you made a killing.
Congrats and thanks again.

Youngin'
53 Super 88

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From: adamco@infowest.com (Monson)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 01:13:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Car shipping costs (was Re: Quantity of Oldsmobiles found !

>On Wed, 2 Apr 1997, Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know how much it costs to have a car shipped from say
>> Florida to California.  Is it cost prohibitive?
>>
>> Chris Sparks
>> 68 442 (looking for a sister)
>>
>        I checked into this recently when I tried to persuade my mother to
>let my brother buy a 72 vista Cruiser from Minnesota (somewhere out west).
>It woulda cost me $700 to ship it from there to Rhode Island, door to door
>even.  Of course it was an open carrier and the car ran.  I think deals
>can be found for cross country though.  It seemed like alot of carriers
>specialized in cross country runs.
>
>Hope this helped a little.
>
>Bill Reilly
>'85 Cutlass Supreme

Can you give me some more details and information?  I'm looking to have a
part shipped from South Dakota to Utah.  Would these "carriers"(?) be the
best way?

Youngin'
53 Super 88

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:33:03 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Improving 307 performance on low-budget

     I agree about the basic tune-up.  My recommendations would be:

     1.  New cap and rotor, and new wires if you have any reason to doubt
     your current ones.  I think any good quality brand name wire should be
     okay.

     2.  New plugs, I like the stock AC plugs.  Haven't seen a benefit yet
     to any other plug.

     3.  New fuel, air, and oil filters.  Also a new crankcase breather
     filter and a new PCV valve won't hurt.  Change the oil and this pretty
     much concludes the "tune-up" part.

     4.  Advance the timing 2-4 degrees and check for knock.  Run as much
     advance as you can get away with before you get spark knock.

     5.  A K&N filter will make a noticeable difference, and it's a part
     that will swap over to a 350 should you ever upgrade.  You may also
     try either a) making sure your existing snorkel is ducting in cool
     outside air or b) changing to an open-element filter.

     6.  Upgrade the exhaust with a high flowing muffler, like the Dynomax
     or Ultra-flo (The Ultra-flo's sound much better IMHO, but are much
     more expensive).  If you're not in an emissions controlled area, get
     rid of that catalytic converter too, or hollow it out.

     At this point any further modifications will be very impractical
     compared to the gain you'd get by going to a larger engine (a 350 or
     403 will fit right in there and everything will hook up!).  And most
     of the mods you've done above (filter, exhaust, etc) will be moved
     over to the new engine where they can do their work there too.

     BTW, I don't understand the reasoning behind the fuel filter and fuel
     pump recommendation.  Do you think the car is running lean at WOT and
     needs more volume?  More fuel pressure will just screw up the carb
     calibrations and possibly blow the needle out of it's seat.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Improving 307 performance on
low-budget Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    3/29/97
12:36 PM


             E.  Get rid of the carbureter mounted fuel filter and install an
inline Fuel filter
                   with a 3/8" diameter inlet/outlet between the carb and the
fuel pump.
             F.  Install a Holley or Edlebrock high volume mechanical fuel
pump. --- the
                  Edlebrock pump i know for sure will come with a port for
your evap
                  system.

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 17:32:58 -0400
Subject: Re: What was that intake?

     Assuming it doesn't have the obvious "Edelbrock" stamped on it, then
     it's probably a late-model SB olds intake.  The 260's _all_ came with
     aluminum intakes, but are easy to ID because of the small port size
     and 2bbl carb flange.  The 307 VIN 9's (The high-output version on
     '83-'84 H/O's, and '85-'88 442's) came with an aluminum 4bbl manifold.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: What was that intake? Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    3/28/97 8:36 PM


I came across a part that I couldn't identify, maybe someone else can:
it was obviously a small block Olds intake, aluminum, but what confused
me was that it had EGR ports.  Did they do CA intakes this way for the
W31 cars?  Any value to it?



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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:33:37 -0400
Subject: intake manifold ?

64 olds cutlass F-85 conv. (canadian car)
In 1976 when I got the car I tried to put a quadrajet carb(spread bore)
intake manifold on the 330. It wouldn't fit. Don't remember much, but I
thought it was off a 350 olds. Does this sound right? I haven't thought of
it since but are they interchangable? I have seen adds that state that 330
only. I have seen adds that state 330-350 manifolds.Any help would
be............
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 02:45:28 -0400
Subject: need parts,parts, and more....

64 olds cutlass F-85 conv.(canadian car) 4 spd. 330
need:
4 spd shifter
center console
steering wheel
side chrome
wheel well chrome
door mirrors
rear side windows
bumpers
fuel tank
front signal lenses
back-up lenses
rocker panel chrome
red door panels
other than that the car is perfect.
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: "IT" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 03:00:39 -0400
Subject: A/C trouble

I recently decided to have my long-gone A/C checked.  They say I need a new
compressor and a systems recharge.  I could pick one up at the yard for
about 12 bucks.  The car is a 1981 Delta 88 307.  If anyone knows the
difficulty of changing a compressor, any advice will be welcome.  The other
alternative is to get rid of the A/C system.  In that case, what is the
difficulty involved and how much weight would I loose on the car.  Are
there performance advanages. Any suggestions are welcome.

P.S. I live in Calgary, and belive it or not it gets hot here.

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From: "IT" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 03:17:08 -0400
Subject: 3-speed to 4-speed in Delta 88

The tranny in my '81 Delta 88 307 is a stock 3-speed.  A close-by junk-yard
has trannys on sale for about 25 bucks.  I know that 83-85 Deltas have
mostly 4-speeds.  So, the quesion is could I put a 4-speed from one of
those in, how hard would it be and what are the special tools required.
Since my transmision is good will I gain anything in the swap making it
worthowhile (eg. mpg, performance), and also, how reliable are the
4-speeds.  Thanks.

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 03:26:48 -0400
Subject: Re: A/C trouble

At 03:00 AM 4/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I recently decided to have my long-gone A/C checked.  They say I need a new
>compressor and a systems recharge.  I could pick one up at the yard for
>about 12 bucks.  The car is a 1981 Delta 88 307.  If anyone knows the
>difficulty of changing a compressor, any advice will be welcome.  The other
>alternative is to get rid of the A/C system.  In that case, what is the
>difficulty involved and how much weight would I loose on the car.  Are
>there performance advanages. Any suggestions are welcome.


Noooooo, Don't axe the AC!!!  It's hard to be cool if you can't stay cool!
Changing compressors is cake.  The toughest part is evacuating the system,
although it's been rumored that some just vent the R-12 into the air.  (I'd
~never~ do such a thing, nor would I have done it on the two or three
compressors I've changed....)  They make recovery systems to suck it all
out, but if its already discharged, you're in good shape.  Canadian laws
might be different concerning R-12 disposal, too.  The junk yard may have
evac'd the systems already, you might check with them.  You could have the
AC place evac your system, then you could change the compressor (and
filter/drier, don't forget that!) and then they could recharge the system
again.  Make sure the O-rings aren't damaged, they're rather critical to
proper sealing.

Nothing's tackier than a hot rod with hacked AC.  I've lost respect for
hundreds of muscle cars in my day for that reason alone.  A local kid dumped
literally thousands of $$$ in his '67 Cam*ro, and we did the interior on it.
He'd hacked off the complete AC assembly (evaporator and all!) so his
headers would clear.  They weren't even anything special.  They probably
cost him $65 new!  Oh well, it's a bowtie anyway, right?...

Also, in the heat of the summer, there's little better than cruising down
the street with the windows rolled up and long sleeved shirts on, just to
see the look on the dripping faces that are hanging halfway out of every
other window that drives by... :)

Weight wise, there may be performance to be gained.  In '81, you're using
the R4 compressor, which is about the same weight as an alternator or a 12
pack of beer, as I recall.  The evaporator and condensor probably equal a 6
pack?  Assorted pipes and hoses...  2 or three bottles...  Sooooo, for the
weight of a case of beer, you can stay cool for the ~entire~ summer, and you
know it'd take more than a case to make that claim!  (Also, if using said
case to keep cool while driving, your car may lose a lot more weight in
unnecessary body panels that may self destruct on impact...)

'Nuf babbling, fix the AC and treat the Olds right :)


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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