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oldsmobile-digest          Tuesday, 4 March 1997       Volume 01 : Number 547

Re: 64 Vista Cruiser
Re: Olds 425
Re: Spring is near and Oldsmobiles are blooming
Re: Idle question
Re: T-3 Inquiry
Re: Spring is near and Oldsmobiles are blooming
Re: please stop the e-mail
Re: 100th Ann. Info & more
Re: Info please
Re: 455 What?(meaningless midadventure)
Disc brakes
Re: floor pans
Re: Spring is near and Oldsmobiles are blooming
Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?
Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
Parts Wanted: 70 442
Re: Spring is near and Oldsmobiles are blooming
Rejected and Despondent Car Owner (was: Where Olds is today)
A Theory... (was: One question... (also was: ARP main studs))
Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
Re: Fusick
Re: T-3 Inquiry
Re: Olds 3X2
Re: Rejected and Despondent Car Owner (was: Where Olds is today)
Re:  REAR BUMPER TO 66 OLDS 98 CONVERTIBLE WANTED
Re: Fusick
TPS
Re: T-3 Inquiry
Re: 69 H/O a/cleaner question
Silicone Brake Fluid?
Re: please stop the e-mail
Re: Spring is near and Oldsmobiles are blooming
Parts for sale
Drive shaft problem
Re: Silicone Brake Fluid
Re: Parts for sale
Re: Fusick / Credit card orders *NOT*
Re: Spring is near and the Oldsmobiles are blooming
Re: 'nother Olds
Re: Fusick
RE: Parts for sale
Re: Fusick
Re: Rejected and Despondent Car Owner (was: Where Olds is today)
Re: Wiper adjustment
digest
'68 Power Windows Answer
Re: 442 W-Dirty
Re: 455 What?(meaningless midadventure)
Re: Info please
Re: Info please
Re: Rejected and Despondent Car Owner (was: Where Olds is today)
Re: Idle question
Re: 307 again
3/4 Olds Item For Sale
Re: 455 What?(meaningless midadventure)
Re: please stop the e-mail
Re: High RPM Stress con'd: Turbo Backpressure: Scottie
Re: turbos/RPM stress
Re: Parts for sale
66 F85

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:39:35 -0400
Subject: Re: 64 Vista Cruiser

In a message dated 97-03-03 13:13:32 EST, you write:

> T152360G             824m232829
>     64H-274              LA-3372
>     3265-RRA-398         V

Entereth the book guy, who whips out his trusty '64 Protect-O-Plate and says:

T152360G is the engine number that belongs in that car

824M232829 in the cars serial number, which Dan already broke down for you

64H-274 I'm guessing the (64) stands for 1964, but don't know about the rest

LA-3372 I believe to be the body sequence number, built in Lansing

3265-RRA-398 translates as follows:
(3) Oldsmobile (265) Custom Vista Cruiser 3-seat
(RR) Cashmere Beige upper and lower paint (A) Ebony Black wheels
(398) Saddle interior trim, vinyl with pattern cloth, Dk Saddle carpeting,
Parchment White headliner

V Don't know, I think it's some kind of build code, but it could be V for V8
or V for Vista Cruiser?

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:39:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds 425

In a message dated 97-03-03 16:57:52 EST, you write:

>  If
>  there's anything specific someone needs from this car, let me know.  I'll
go
>  back there and check it out.

Just for kicks, how 'bout seein' if it's got duals.  I could use the shift
linkage if it does.  Don't make a special trip, it probably doesn't... unless
Grandma was a motorhead.

Paul

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 23:42:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Spring is near and Oldsmobiles are blooming

Dave 442
  You are correct the 70 was the last year for the post coupe. When you said
standard shift, was it on the floor? as column mounted shift cars are rare.
  I own a 72 Supreme 2 door 350 4bbl A/C bucket seats Power Disk brakes hood
lock and AM FM and this car is Three speed on the column, this has to be
rare.


Everett Antiqolds@AOL.COM
61 Starfire, 71 Supreme Conv, 71 Vista Cruiser, 72 Toronado, 72 Supreme Coupe
89 98 Touring Sedan  90 ST10 Oldsmobile Pick-Up

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From: James Pindar <jp@webspan.net>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 02:27:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Idle question

Thanks to James and Joanne and JWT for your fast answers.
Unfortunately, it is snowing here and I can't try out your suggestions. I know
 how and have retrieved the computer codes and there was no indication. I
was in touch with Jacobs Electronics (listed in the Bryce), and was told that
the problem is one that is common with the Quad Four. They are coming up with
a fix in about a year. Meanwhile I will try out what you have suggested

Thanks
 JP

PS: RFT get a life.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:47:12 -0400
Subject: Re: T-3 Inquiry

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> It was mentioned not long ago that the T-3 headlamps were being reproduced.
>  I have 4 originals on my '67, and now one has a rock hole smack in the
> middle of it and another is starting to fade (its a wicked dull orange glow
> color right now).  I'd like to stick with the T3's on this car.  I remember
> they were rather costly.  Where are they available again?
>
> Thanks in advance -
>
> Lisa Madsen
>
> Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
> project
>
> Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
> My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

Lisa,

They are practically free from members of this list.  I have some for
the shipping costs.  There are several versions you know.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:09:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Spring is near and Oldsmobiles are blooming

At 11:02 AM 3/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>This past weekend I spotted a 61(?) Olds 4dr hauling a large piece of
>furniture in it's trunk.  The car looked original, probably belonged to
>someones grandmother at some time.  I then spotted a mystery Olds
>setting at the local Wal-Mart.  It was a 70-72 A-body 2dr sedan.  It had
>a 70 4-4-2 rear bumper and a 71 or 72 hood, grille and bumper.  The hood
>had the fake vents on each side and the grilles set out at the front of
>the opening as opposed to being recessed.  I am guessing the car was a
>70, it also had the chrome mouldings on the leading edge of the front
>fenders also with the coresponding hood moulding painted.  The car was
>very confused.  The VIN tag on the dash was too cruddy to read.  The
>interior had been changed to a late model type of cloth, so I could not
>even look at the seats or door panels for a clue.  The poor thing was
>also painted (recently) purple and all emblems were removed.  It was a
>stick, which was nice to see.  I thought the last year for post cars was
>1970.  Does anyone of you know what year the 2dr sedan was last built?
>
>Dave Wyatt
>70  4-4-2
>

Dave

        The last year for a 442 Post Coupe was 70. The Post Coupe WAS
available in 71 only on the Cutlass. NO 442's were built on that platform
again.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 03:16:35 -0400
Subject: Re: please stop the e-mail

KellyesMom@aol.com wrote:
>
> Please discontinue the e-mail. It is overwhelming!
> Take me off the list.
> Thank you


Thats not how ya do it.. I forget how, but go to the homepage, and that
will give ya directions on how to logoff the mail group...

Jeramy

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:20:16 -0400
Subject: Re: 100th Ann. Info & more

In a message dated 97-03-03 17:18:58 EST, you write:

>  Please don't hestitate to let me know if you have a
>  question or a concern

Hey there, Heidi

I have a question concerning the Centennial.  Some of the folks in my chapter
are starting to raise questions about the plant and museum tours.  Most of us
would like to go on the tours as group.  How can we arrange this?  Are you
going to just assign folks to go at a certain time?  Or is this going to be a
constantly flowing type thing where we can all get together as a group and go
when we want?  Or can chapter reserve certain time spots so all of their
members can attend together?

Will we be touring just the Main Plant, where they assemble the N-cars?

Or will we be able to tour the Cavalier/Sunfire Plant as well?

Also, some of our members are raising questions about the Participation Award
that has been mentioned previously.  Is that award and the goody bag the same
thing?  Or is something else planned?

Appreciate your time,

Thanks

Paul Hartlieb
Blue/Gray Chapter, O.C.A.

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:23:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Info please

At 05:36 PM 3/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I have a few questions on some options available to 68 442s.
>
>1) What is a safety sentinel (U15)? This was a speed warning speedometer
that you could manually set the speed at which the buzzer would sound.
>
>2) What is the convenience group (Y60)? This was a lighting package for the
under dash, glove box, mirror (in some cases), underhood light and trunk
light. > >3) Did the deluxe shoulder belts come standard (AK1)? NEVER
standard. > >4) Does anyone know how I could go about adding 4 way power bench 
>
seat adjuster (A46)? Find the seat frame with the motor and transmission on it
and the corresponding wiring harness out of an A-body and bolt it in. > >
Where does the control switch go for this? Usually on A-bodies was on the
drivers side of the seat. > >5) Does anyone know how I could go about adding
dual head restraints >   to my bench seat (A82)? Replace it with a 69-72 bench
seat. > >6) Does anyone know how I could go about adding cruise control >
(K30)? Find one first. Then bolt it on and plug it in. These are not easy to
find. The last N.O.S. one I had a guy gave me $350.00 for it and I didn't want
to really sell it. > >   Where does the control switch go for this? The switch
for on/off goes in the dash board next to the wiper switch and the turn signal
lever has to be changed along with the brake switch. > >7) I saw two types of
stripes available >      GT Paint stripe (Y70) Usually a pin stripe package
that goes down the side of the car. >      Rally stripe    (W36) This is the
one that runs from the top of the front fender behind the wheel to the bottom
of the fender with 442 in the middle of it. > >   What does either of these
look like? > >8) Does anyone know how I could go about adding a remote control
outside >   mirror (D33)?  I assume this is for the right side of the car.
Right side mirrors were not remote for many years later. ALL 64-72 right side
mirrors are manual and the chrome ones look just like the standard mirror even
with the remote chrome drivers side. > >   Where does the control level go for
this? Nowhere > >Any help is gratiously appreciated. > >Chris Sparks >68 442 >
>BTW.  I have scanned in a copy of the Wholesale order form for 1968 >442s :-) 
>

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:27:19 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 What?(meaningless midadventure)

   Wellll... you can look at this way --- he got somebody to id. the engine
for him and ya had a nice chat

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From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:32:50 -0400
Subject: Disc brakes

Hey all, just wanted to let you know that I have just completed my
front-end rebuild and after searching the endless junkyards of Dallas, I
popped for the new disc brake conversion kit from Stainless Steel Brakes
Corporation. I did one of these conversion on a '70 Ponti*c Lemans using
junkyard parts and let me tell you, that car DID NOT stop like my
Cutlass does now. The kit is $850 plus tax, a bit pricey, but worth it I
think. The parts are all brand new and it is a 100% bolt-on, I did not
have to get a thing, except some more brake fluid. My car always stopped
good I thought for drum brakes, but it's nothing compared to the discs.
If you have the money, go for it.


Stainless Steel Brake Corporation
1-800-448-7722

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:33:07 -0400
Subject: Re: floor pans

At 08:58 PM 3/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
> Looking for rear floor pans for 1972 Detlta 88 Royale Conv.
>Havn't been able to locate anywhere. Any suggestions?
>
>
>Neil

Neil

        I know this is a long shot but I have a listing for an Impala that
might work. These were basically the same cars underneath. Part number
CI-114 L/R from :

Auto Body Specialties, INC
PO Box 455
Route 66
Middlefield, Conn
                06455
Phoneª (203) 346-4989

Hope this might help you.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:33:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Spring is near and Oldsmobiles are blooming

In a message dated 97-03-03 10:55:32 EST, you write:

> Does anyone of you know what year the 2dr sedan was last built?
>

I thought these were available up thru '72?

Paul

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:34:47 -0400
Subject: Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?

Chris
  The window regulators are the mechanical parts that raise and lower the
windows, they are diferent between manual and power windows. I have seen
power window setups sell for as much as $450.00 complete. I once sold a set
for $250.00 but made the deal before I pulled them out of the car. It is a
lot of work to get everything out in reusable condition. The wire harness
runs under the carpet and seats thru body panels etc etc as for putting them
in I would hate to guess what someone would charge, everyone I know has put
them in themselves. If you attempt to do it the best way would be to buy a
parts car with them in and take them out yourselve a good way to learn how to
put them in.


Everett

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:44:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

At 08:53 PM 3/1/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Jim
>  You mentioned you may be reproducing the indicater for 70-72 cutlass floor
>shift console, I will buy several off you if you do as I have people looking
>as well as several consoles that need them.
>
>Everett ANTIQOLDS@AOL.COM


Everett

        Before I spend the money to repop them I need approx. 50 orders to
make it worth the time and money. How many total would you be looking for?

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: DanBSmith1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:47:58 -0400
Subject: Parts Wanted: 70 442

I am looking for a tilt steering column and F & R bumper guards for a 1970
442.

Thanks,

Dan the Olds Man

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:48:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Spring is near and Oldsmobiles are blooming

At 12:33 AM 3/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-03-03 10:55:32 EST, you write:
>
>> Does anyone of you know what year the 2dr sedan was last built?
>>
>
>I thought these were available up thru '72?
>
>Paul


The only sedan offered 72 in any of the brouchers I have is a F-85 4 door
sedan. 350 or 455 engine only. No sixes.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442>

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:50:15 -0400
Subject: Rejected and Despondent Car Owner (was: Where Olds is today)

In a message dated 97-02-27 07:47:29 EST, you write:

<< Thanks Bob for relaying this info.  If Olds is going after the buyers of
 Japanese cars, it is no wonder I am not interested in ANY of their new
 products.  It is also not suprising that the old Olds is of little
 interest to the new Olds owners.  They were raised thinking rice
 grinders are ok.  They might as well go ahead and sell the place to
 Toyhonzda Inc.  I will be forever grateful that they did make great cars
 in the past. >>

Obviously GM doesn't feel a need for multi-platfom cars (such as Olds., and
Chevy, and Pontiac, etc.) having similar markets.  They must, for some
reason, feel the need to direct all performance people towards one division
(Chevy), or "import" types of buyers towards another division (Olds.
unfortunately).  I've seen some pictures of the Cutlass and would seem to
agree in that it kind of reminds me of a Izuzu/Camry type of body style
(yeccchhhh!.....).  It's sort of scary to see.

It's odd, it one breath they tell you, "You will buy this, and like it" (4
door models), and in the next breath they tell you they can't make a choice
of their own (make decisions after consulting a "marketing survey".  It just
sounds like utter confusion from them.  It's beginning to get hard to tell if
it's Olds., or GM pulling the strings.

We can consider the 100th celebration to be a funeral and visitation for our
favorite carmaker.  Sad to say, but very appropriate, maybe the black
armbands wouldn't be out of line at all (people wear a black armband w/rocket
symbol in red to signify the passing of the company).

One other thought.  I Heidi (of Olds.) still on the list.  I haven't seen
anything from her lately and I was wondering if she was still around.  It
would be interesting to see if she has any commments, or inside information
to part with.

Chris Ruper

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:51:27 -0400
Subject: A Theory... (was: One question... (also was: ARP main studs))

In a message dated 97-02-27 06:22:28 EST, you write:

<< I never understood the point of using a fastner that you pulled tight, to
 the point of yield.  I would prefer to use a size larger fastener and pull
 it tight enough to withstand the load, but no where near yield.

 On a pull to yield fastner, you have gotten all the fastner has to give.
 It's like firing a proof cartridge in a gun, and no one wants to fire proof
 cartridges every time. >>
I agree, I'm kind of stumped on the use/need for "torque to yeild" bolts, it
would be interesting to find out.  Possibly in case of failure?  In a case
where a major failure happens, it could possibly cause the bolts to stretch,
and reduce impact in that fashion, thereby reducing the overall effect of the
failure.

(Ex. of this: Piston of a Chevy lets loose (now you hafta know it wouldn't be
an Olds...., it just doesn't happen :)...  ), the piston contacts the head,
the bolts stretch slightly, thereby taking some of the impact forces, as
opposed to the head taking the full brunt of the blow from the piston.)

Just a thought....
Chris Ruper

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:51:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

Hey to all,

        The reason this is going over all circuits instead of personal is
that if the number of orders is great enough I'll get them repopped if not I
can't see spending the money or time to do it. So if there are others on the
list who wants one of these let me know. Sorry Greg.

Thanks

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:53:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Fusick

Daniel,
Just ordered $400 worth of stuff this morning, put it on a credit card. I bet
they just don't like big car owners.
I mentioned the Email this weekend and they said they don't take American
Express, but take Visa, Mastercard, and even Discover.

Art Fuller

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 00:58:15 -0400
Subject: Re: T-3 Inquiry

Lisa

   Fusick Automotive has new t-3's 1-860-623-1583 or 1589


Everett

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 01:04:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds 3X2

It looks like that part number is from the late 50's. Say 57-58. I would guess
 J/2 intake.

Art Fuller

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 01:08:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Rejected and Despondent Car Owner (was: Where Olds is today)

>We can consider the 100th celebration to be a funeral and visitation for our
>favorite carmaker.  Sad to say, but very appropriate, maybe the black
>armbands wouldn't be out of line at all (people wear a black armband w/rocket
>symbol in red to signify the passing of the company).
>
>One other thought.  I Heidi (of Olds.) still on the list.  I haven't seen
>anything from her lately and I was wondering if she was still around.  It
>would be interesting to see if she has any commments, or inside information
>to part with.
>
>Chris Ruper

Here here. Couldn't agree with you more. The armbands are a very nice
finishing touch.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 01:08:58 -0400
Subject: Re:  REAR BUMPER TO 66 OLDS 98 CONVERTIBLE WANTED

Rennie,
What's the difference in a convertible bumper and a hardtop bumper?

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 01:31:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Fusick

At 12:53 AM 3/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Daniel,
>Just ordered $400 worth of stuff this morning, put it on a credit card. I
bet
>they just don't like big car owners.

Must be.


>I mentioned the Email this weekend and they said they don't take American
>Express, but take Visa, Mastercard, and even Discover.

The fact that they take credit cards was never in doubt.  It's taking them
_over the phone_ that was the issue.



************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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From: "Loyd Bonecutter" <loydb@enteract.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 01:38:05 -0400
Subject: TPS

>From: Steven Larry Cannon <slcannon@uncc.edu>
>Does any one know how long a TPS usually lasts or know of any other
symptoms that are a result of a bad TPS?

The TPS being an electromechanical device is subject to wear if used
heavily or coating on the resistance wire in places where not used often.
If you have a volt ohm meter, pull the connector and measure the resistance
from the center terminal (B with dk blue wire) to the top terminal (A with
grey wire) while exercising the sensor.  In a 307 carbureted car you have
to pull the throttle since the sensor is pushed down by the accelerator
pump linkage.

Look for smooth transition of resistance.  On both my GN and Olds 307 the
sensor developed no changes or even lower resistance as WOT was approached.
 I had noted the problems when the autos were 10 years old, but the
situation may have existed for awhile.

A sensor that reads high at idle will cause the computer to respond as if
the car is off idle and reacts as if more fuel is needed leading to
unpredictable idle, high emissions, etc.  The Chassis Service manual
suggests .46 volts at idle.  Voltage below 0.20 v for 20 seconds will set a
code 22 (Low TPS).  Code 21 (high TPS) is set when a voltage of 2.5 v for
10 seconds is seen with rpms in the idle range.  This is an extremely wide
range so only a catastrophic failure of the sensor would set a code, not
the nonlinear resistance that shows up after a few years.   Check for codes
by shorting terminals A to B on the ALCL and count the long and short
flashes on the service engine light.

A sensor that does not read above 4.2 volts at WOT, will not move the ECM
to power enrichment mode.  Therefore the ECM will continue to operate in
closed loop with the primary metering rods controlled by the mixture
control solenoid pulsed by the computer reading the o2 sensor (of course
the secondary metering rods on the 4 barrel are lifted by the air valve)
and the timing not as advanced since the computer will not recognize the
need for it.

You may take fine wire out of the above two mentioned TPS connections and
meter the reading with a digital ohm meter (high impedence) directly after
checking for smooth resistance readings

The best bet is to get an OCM 2000 or equivalent scan tool which will read
the sensor status directly !  The members of the DIY-EFI list are working
on the GM ALDL data stream and how to connect to a PC to read the sensor
states similiar to Diacom or Turbolink.  So inexpensive scanners are
probably around the corner.  It is just tough to figure all the streams
from various cars and work with the nonstandard 160 baud data stream with 9
bit tranfer.

Loyd Bonecutter
86 Regal Ltd w/Olds 307
86 GN (Need the exhaust temperature as well as pressure to turn the thing)

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 01:39:13 -0400
Subject: Re: T-3 Inquiry

At 04:47 PM 3/3/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> It was mentioned not long ago that the T-3 headlamps were being reproduced.
>>  I have 4 originals on my '67, and now one has a rock hole smack in the
>> middle of it and another is starting to fade (its a wicked dull orange glow
>> color right now).  I'd like to stick with the T3's on this car.  I remember
>> they were rather costly.  Where are they available again?
[snip]
>Lisa,
>
>They are practically free from members of this list.  I have some for
>the shipping costs.  There are several versions you know.

Yeah, I even have a few working "dimbulbs", if you want them (not readily
accessible at the moment, but you could have them within a month). Trick is
to remove the T-3's for everyday use (or uselessness, if you are actually
talking about lighting the road) and replace them with some decent halogens
so you can see where you're going. Then pop the T-3's in for
showtime/cruisetime.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 02:00:05 -0400
Subject: Re: 69 H/O a/cleaner question

Supposidely the top part, flapper, and vacuum motor are the same as a
Ford Cobra jet in the same year.  The top part was adapted to fit into
the OLds Air cleaner base, so it is unique to the '69 H/O.

The vacuum motor I have is stamped FOMOCO right into it.  Other parts
have no id of any type.

I would imagine these parts would be hard to find too.

Later

On Sun, 2 Mar 1997 mefco@sprynet.com wrote:

> Mike,
> I have been told that parts of that air cleaner are the same as used on some
 > Fords, but I don't know which ones. There, I've told you everything I know
about > one except I can identify one and don't want to pay the asking price
for them. > > Art Fuller > mefco@sprynet.com > >

------------------------------

From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 02:05:53 -0400
Subject: Silicone Brake Fluid?

Anyone out there try silicone brake fuild?

I am doing a frame off resto. The car will not be driven much except to
show and limited street driving.

I've heard varying reports, like it doesn't seal well, doesn't stop well,
etc only advantage is it doesn't retain water.

What's been your experience???

Any brand preferences?

Jeff

------------------------------

From: Ryan Hehn <RYANH@docker.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 03:44:42 -0400
Subject: Re: please stop the e-mail

KellyesMom@aol.com wrote:
>
> Please discontinue the e-mail. It is overwhelming!
> Take me off the list.
> Thank you

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting really sick of
these messages from people who didn't read their welcome mail!

I say let them suffer until they figure it out.

Ryan Hehn
ryanh@docker.com

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From: Terrance Bradley <DocOlds@Magmacom.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 06:59:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Spring is near and Oldsmobiles are blooming

> >> Does anyone of you know what year the 2dr sedan was last built?

> >I thought these were available up thru '72?

> The only sedan offered 72 in any of the brouchers I have is a F-85 4 door
> sedan. 350 or 455 engine only. No sixes.

Untrue as I have a 72 W-30 post car and two cutlass posts.
Rare but could be ordered and few were as hardtops were more desireable
as the price for a W is about 30-40% more for the hardtop than a post.
I'm glad though since the posts are my favorite.

 Docolds

------------------------------

From: Terrance Bradley <DocOlds@Magmacom.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:41:21 -0400
Subject: Parts for sale

For Sale:
1971    rear cutout bumper excellent core
        no rust could be used but needs rechrome        200.00

1966    B heads ported polished good condition          800.00 pair

W-30 Stuff:
1970    F heads 404438 great condition                 1000.00 pair
1970    W-30 intake show quality no repairs             800.00
1970    ram air hood good condition                    1000.00
1970    ram air breather new foam perfect               500.00
1970    original rear wing                              550.00
1970    3:91 posi drum to drum good shape 12 bolt       700.00
1971    4:11 posi drum to drum good shape 10 bolt       600.00
1971    442 Grilles NOS still in original boxes         450.00 pair
1970-72 W-30 red fender wells need cleaning             200.00 pair
1970-72 W-30 red fender wells new reprodution           375.00 pair
1970    4-spoke steering wheel                          100.00
1970    roof drip mouldings good                         80.00 pair
1971-72 Dual Gate shifter no console                    300.00
1970    Muncie 4-speed trans rebuilt new synchro's
        and bearings                                    400.00
1970    Flywheel,clutch,pedals,Z-arm, etc.              400.00
        Hurst super shifter 2                           125.00

Other Stuff:

2 1970-72 front fenders  need lower repair               125.00 each
2 1970-72 doors new factory skins                        175.00 each

Cars for sale:
1970 442 complete car less engine and trans body stripped to
bare metal and vinyl washed no rust. Frame painted and detailed
ready for reassembly. Complete new suspension and springs.
Must be seen to appreciate.

1971 Cutlass strong number 2 car weak number one loaded with options.

Call for other pieces to numerous to mention some NOS some used.


 Docolds@magmacom.com
 1-613-567-9203 after 5pm.
 Located in Canada delivery possible depending where you live.

------------------------------

From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:32:40 -0400
Subject: Drive shaft problem

After a fun summer of driving my '70 last year, I started Sunday to
make all my checks to get it ready for this year. I made my list (clutch
adjustment, coolant change, grease it, etc...) and one main problem, a slight
drivetrain vibration (at 55-60mph). I removed the drive shaft and inspected
the yoke, yes it was scored.

I took the drive shaft in yesterday to get it balanced, the guy at the
shop will let me know today if it was out of balance, he seems to think that
it's something else.

FYI, I'm using a '71 M22 trans.

Has anyone ever had this problem?  What is the correct engine and
trans. angle?


                                                       ___  ___
                                              /     /    / /  /
                                             / __  /  --/ /  /
       Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick /_/ /_/ ___/ /__/ Red

             (MCORNEA@pt8244.pto.ford.com)

------------------------------

From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:54:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Silicone Brake Fluid

When I rebuilt my brake system in 1984, I used silicone fluid.  Since
that time I have had zero problems with the brakes.  The car has sat
more than it's been driven.  I have not added any fluid since then
either.  I will use it on any future brake jobs I do.  If you are
changing over remember to flush out all of the old fluid completely.
When I did mine I was rebuilding the wheel cylinders and rotors.  So
flushing was easy.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:49:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Parts for sale

> For Sale:
> 1971    rear cutout bumper excellent core
>         no rust could be used but needs rechrome        200.00

<snip>

> Call for other pieces to numerous to mention some NOS some used.
>
>  Docolds@magmacom.com
>  1-613-567-9203 after 5pm.
>  Located in Canada delivery possible depending where you live.
              ^^^^^^
I take it this means prices are in CSD?

------------------------------

From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:42:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Fusick / Credit card orders *NOT*

Dan Gulino wrote about the byrocratical manners of Fusick.

I agree with Fusick in that that it is a LOT safer for the customer
to send written orders.

Propably I'm a little bit too much afraid of all the crime that's
happening around credit cards.

I work for the largest telecommunication operator in Finland and I
see daily how the telephone is misused in diverse ways. It would be
VERY easy for a person to tap Fusics lines for a day or two and
take up some credit card numbers AND exiration days. VERY valuable
information and easy to misuse.

The e-mail is not safe either. The warnings You can see on Your
Netscape:s screen are not for vain. It's EASY to pick up the data
You transmit and misuse it. A Finnish bank has a service in internet
where You can pay Your bills etc. To enter that service You must give
Your user code AND a password. They use one-time passwords (You receive
a list of them via snail-mail) so that You could not benefit on listening
this line. However, it would be easy to "jump in" the connection and
rob Your account in no time. There are plans to secure the line
using DES (Data Encryption Standard). Before that, I'll use the desk.

The FAX is a lot safer since the FAX machines have a continuous
conversation (named "protocol") during the actual FAX transfer.
If a third FAX would interfere that conversation (it's bidirectional)
then the whole transfer process would fail.
I could imagine a person to write a computer program to listen that
conversation without taking part in it. But this requires deep
understanding of FAX protocols and special equpment to pick up
the FAX signals. Propably the equipment would be no more than a
reprogrammed FAX machine but first You have to learn to program it.

If I would HAVE TO give my credit card info to some company I would
use FAX. It's very hard to tap a fax.

Hope this helps ;).

- --
**********************************************
* Esko Ilola                                 *
* Email esko.ilola@tele.fi                   *
* X400  G=esko S=ilola O=tele A=mailnet C=fi *
* Tel.  +358 2040 3439                       *
*       +358 4055 75977                      *
*       +358 9537 430                        *
* Mail  Ukonkivenpolku 7B5                   *
*       01610 VANTAA                         *
*       FINLAND                              *
**********************************************
* Oldsmobile Ninety Eight 1964               *
*            Holiday Sports Sedan (4D HT)    *
**********************************************

------------------------------

From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:04:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Spring is near and the Oldsmobiles are blooming

Thanks to all that have responded about the mystery A-body.  I did
manage to find out about that car.  The woman that owns it came in to
the Vets office where my wife works.  My wife saw the car in the lot and
asked who owned it.  The woman claimed it and proceeded to tell my wife
about it.  It is a '70 Cutlass with the wrong front end and a 4-4-2 rear
bumper.  The woman has owned it for a few years and LOVES to drive it.
She had recently sold her late model pick-up to get rid of payments and
has chosen to drive her Olds instead of something else.  I will
investigate further to see how the car was originaly equipped.  If these
cars keep showing up, we may be able to start a local OCA chapter.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:03:33 -0400
Subject: Re: 'nother Olds

Check what sort of shape its in for me if you get a chance...
If it's restorable, let me know how much they want for the car.
If not, how much for motor/tranny if they are still there and in working
order.

Thanks,
Clayton Pierce
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Dave Paulison wrote:

> Oooh, I forgot, I also found a 1949 88 in the same junkyard as that 1967
> Delmont 88.  I didn't have time to check it over, though.
>
> If someone here needs something from it, let me know, and I'll check it out!
>
> --
> Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
> dpauliso@gate.net
>
>
>

------------------------------

From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:02:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Fusick

Dan Gulino points out:

> "We now accept Visa and MasterCard as payment.  Please fill in the proper
> section of the order blank to process your order.  Improper information or
> orders received without signature will be returned for completion or
> necessary corrections.  NO credit card orders by telephone."
>
> The capitalized "NO" is theirs, not mine.

Hmmm.  I've ordered from them once or twice, and I'm pretty sure it was
a credit card order over the phone.  The reason I'm pretty sure is because
I've never filled out an order form for *any* vendor I've used; it's always
been a phone transaction.

Perhaps this is a new policy of Fusicks?  If so, I find it surprising, as
this would put them at a disadvantage to all those other places that allow it.

Maybe they've been badly burned by credit fraud??



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:10:37 -0400
Subject: RE: Parts for sale

Hey Terry I'd be interested in that 70 Sport wheel. Want to trade for
something. Does it come with all the hardware?

- ----------
From: Terrance Bradley[SMTP:DocOlds@Magmacom.com]
Sent: March 4, 1997 6:41 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Parts for sale

For Sale:
1971    rear cutout bumper excellent core
        no rust could be used but needs rechrome        200.00

1966    B heads ported polished good condition          800.00 pair

W-30 Stuff:
1970    F heads 404438 great condition                 1000.00 pair
1970    W-30 intake show quality no repairs             800.00
1970    ram air hood good condition                    1000.00
1970    ram air breather new foam perfect               500.00
1970    original rear wing                              550.00
1970    3:91 posi drum to drum good shape 12 bolt       700.00
1971    4:11 posi drum to drum good shape 10 bolt       600.00
1971    442 Grilles NOS still in original boxes         450.00 pair
1970-72 W-30 red fender wells need cleaning             200.00 pair
1970-72 W-30 red fender wells new reprodution           375.00 pair
1970    4-spoke steering wheel                          100.00
1970    roof drip mouldings good                         80.00 pair
1971-72 Dual Gate shifter no console                    300.00
1970    Muncie 4-speed trans rebuilt new synchro's
        and bearings                                    400.00
1970    Flywheel,clutch,pedals,Z-arm, etc.              400.00
        Hurst super shifter 2                           125.00

Other Stuff:

2 1970-72 front fenders  need lower repair               125.00 each
2 1970-72 doors new factory skins                        175.00 each

Cars for sale:
1970 442 complete car less engine and trans body stripped to
bare metal and vinyl washed no rust. Frame painted and detailed
ready for reassembly. Complete new suspension and springs.
Must be seen to appreciate.

1971 Cutlass strong number 2 car weak number one loaded with options.

Call for other pieces to numerous to mention some NOS some used.


 Docolds@magmacom.com
 1-613-567-9203 after 5pm.
 Located in Canada delivery possible depending where you live.

------------------------------

From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:19:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Fusick

At 10:02 AM 3/4/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Hmmm.  I've ordered from them once or twice, and I'm pretty sure it was
>a credit card order over the phone.  The reason I'm pretty sure is because
>I've never filled out an order form for *any* vendor I've used; it's always
>been a phone transaction.
>
>Perhaps this is a new policy of Fusicks?  If so, I find it surprising, as
>this would put them at a disadvantage to all those other places that allow
it.
>
>Maybe they've been badly burned by credit fraud??

My suspicion is that it's an old policy, and they've not bothered to update
their ordering instructions in their catalogs.  And I'm too linear in my
thinking to ever ask them about it.  You're right, it would put them at a
disadvantage.


Dan



**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
**************************************

------------------------------

From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:23:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Rejected and Despondent Car Owner (was: Where Olds is today)

> >We can consider the 100th celebration to be a funeral and visitation for
our > >favorite carmaker.  Sad to say, but very appropriate, maybe the black >
>armbands wouldn't be out of line at all (people wear a black armband w/rocket 
>
>symbol in red to signify the passing of the company). > > >Chris Ruper > >
Here here. Couldn't agree with you more. The armbands are a very nice >
finishing touch. > > Jim Chermack

Me three.  As much as it hurts to say it, we might as well accept the fact
that we all are fans of an effectively *extinct* automobile marque who made
great cars in their day.

Just like members of Studebaker Clubs, or Packard, or Pierce-Arrow,
or Bantam, or...



Tim (Feeling Rather Blue in the Grey Weather Today :P) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:20:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Wiper adjustment

>My windshield wipers are resting about 3 inches high on the windshield
>when in the "park" position.  I believe they should be on the cowl and
>out-of-site.  Any advice on how to adjust these?

I'd guess that if they're off by as much as three inches, someone may
have removed them in the past, then reinstalled them on the splined
shaft in the wrong position. Newer shafts have a large indexing key
cast on them to prevent this problem; maybe yours does not?

I think yours remove by swinging the arm away from the windshield, then
pulling a tab outwards from the base of the arm about 1/8". At this
point you can let go of the arm (the tab will stop it from falling down
on the glass again) and wiggle it to pull it off the splined shaft. If
there's no indexing ridge on the shaft, a little trial-and-error will
tell you what angle to remount the arm on the shaft to get the right
park position.

The other possibility is a really worn wiper linkage. There's some
adjustment at the pivot points if you get out the nutdriver and do
some fiddling. I find it a real pain in the neck.  :-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

From: Steven Larry Cannon <slcannon@uncc.edu>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:33:06 -0400
Subject: digest

Hello,

I will be gone from school next week because it is finally time for Spring
Break!  Anyhow, I was wondering if there is anyway to avoid receiving the
digest for just one week without having to unsubscribe and then subscribe when
I get back.  It seems like I get maybe 10 - 14 digests a week so I might not
need to unsubscribe for size reasons.  I would need to unsubscribe because I
would probably spend a lot of time reading them when I get back.

Thanks,

Steve Cannon

------------------------------

From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:37:15 -0400
Subject: '68 Power Windows Answer

First, I want to thank you for the response to my power window question.
Even though the owner ended up selling the car to someone local to him, he
did answer the question of the mysterious power switch. It was for
after-market power door locks.

Thanks Again
Ray
34467x

------------------------------

From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:39:11 -0400
Subject: Re: 442 W-Dirty

>Also, have you ever seen a set of E heads that have had the E ground to
>an F and had the casting number J-B welded to 404438?
>
>Danny


I have seen these fakes,  but I always look for the two raised ribs on the
end of the head that are nearly impossible to duplicate, even with JB weld.
Only F heads had these ribs, never E's.

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-spd
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:27:43 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 What?(meaningless midadventure)

>I got to the guy's trailer, saw a black `74 cutlass sitting next to a
>bulldozer that had a tarp covering a big lump at the front of the blade.
>The guy pulled the tarp back and there was a huge completely red engine.
[...]
>The oil and transmission fluid both looked
>and smelled fine, and he would let me start it there if I wanted to bring a
>battery and a little gas.

Yow! Let me get this straight: You have this humongous engine sitting
_on_the_ground_ and he wants to start it? I don't think I'd care to have
that much self-propelled mass bouncing around under its own power,
thankyouverymuch, even if it is more-or-less balanced. (I would, however,
probably pay money for a video of it. :-)

>I just couldn't believe this guy was so ignorant....and to talk to him I'm
>actually inclined to think he's dumb enough to buy an engine and not even
>know what the hell it is.

He is hoping to find another person who knows nothing about engines but
is willing to buy one not in a car...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:55:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Info please

Thanks Paul.

I like options too.  I am only adding those options that would/could
have
come for the car.  I am thinking maybe I would try to make the car more
safe too.  Perhaps changing to front disk brakes.

I am thinking of putting in power windows too.  I miss these when I had
my 77 C/S Brougham.  It is a bummer to try a roll up a window especially
if you are on the freeway (Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee)

Later

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:00:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Info please

Thanks Jim,

> >8) Does anyone know how I could go about adding a remote control outside
> >   mirror (D33)?  I assume this is for the right side of the car. Right
> side mirrors were not remote for many years later. ALL 64-72 right side
> mirrors are manual and the chrome ones look just like the standard mirror
> even with the remote chrome drivers side.

What I would like to have is a right side mirror.  I thought that the
H/O had sport mirrors.  Could these be used on my car?

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 05:22:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Rejected and Despondent Car Owner (was: Where Olds is today)

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
>
>
> Me three.  As much as it hurts to say it, we might as well accept the fact
> that we all are fans of an effectively *extinct* automobile marque who made
> great cars in their day.
>
> Just like members of Studebaker Clubs, or Packard, or Pierce-Arrow,
> or Bantam, or...
>
> Tim (Feeling Rather Blue in the Grey Weather Today :P) Churchill
> -------------

Tim,

When I heard the news that Ford was dropping Thunderbird a few days ago,
that did it.  The automobile has few sacred cows except for their own
personal selves.  I felt badly that the last 2 new cars I bought weren't
GM.  I searched hard for a reason to buy another Olds, but I just
couldn't find one.  Olds has either been luxurious or small and noisy.
Either eway, they are near the top in cost.

I bought a Mustang GT because Olds had nothing at all in that market.  I
wanted a powerful, good handling car w/some room for four passengers and
a little luggage.  The various Cutlass models didn't make the cut and
were $3-4 thousand more dollars.  I only sacrificed some quality bt
achieved the rest in my Mustang.

My wife wanted a convertible and I finally turned to Chrysler.  Olds had
a cute Cutlass convertible at a very stiff price.  Somehow they
advertised a 210 hp ohc engine that didn't have any more spunk than my
turbo 4.  I got what I wanted for $3-4 thousand less and have been very
happy.

The Aurora is out of my price range and is four doors.  I know it is
supposed to be the modern Toro, but it doesn't feel that way.  I suppose
that it is like Ronald Regan said, "I didn't leave the party, it left
me".  I hope that the party gets a little more life in it.  I do know
that I owe just as much loyalty to Olds as they do to me.  Where are
they?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:43:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Idle question

From: katana72@juno.com (Robert F Turner)

On Mon, 3 Mar 1997James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net> writes:
>>If this is the only thing in the RAM of the computer it's telling you it
>>sees nothing wrong.

> Geez Jim, RAM in a car computer?? Can I get it upgraded to maybe 16
>meg??? The last I knew the computer for a car had an EPROM or ROM (Read
>Only Memory). Darned Surface Sailors can't get anything right!!! <G>

The computer wouldnt run very far without RAM, since the stack, and various
variables are stored there.  I'd be willing to bet that even the trouble
codes are stored in RAM, at least for the older ECM's.  New ECM's may
store them in EEPROM to survive a battery disconnect.

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:49:22 -0400
Subject: Re: 307 again

At 08:55 PM 3/2/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Thanks for the piston explanation.  It was reported that this particular
>> 307 saw lower compression numbers once the engine had warmed up: as
>> Scott noted, any ideas?  Is it possible for cylinder bores to be true
>> when cold, then go out of round when hot?
>>
>I guess I read it wrong I thought he said it was higher when hot. I guess
>they could get out of round when hot especilly with the later thin wall
>engines. The oil viscosity thing someone  mentioned might be the answer
>too. This thread is interesting to me and I am anxous to know what he finds
>when he gets the engine apart. Another thought I just had was that I have
>always heard that most ring and cylinder wear occurs when the engine is
>cold and the fuel mixture is richer. Maybe that has something to do with
>it. Any one else have any ideas?
>
>
>
Lucky for you guys, I was out of town yesterday; I hope you enjoyed the
breather.

Quote above, "...oil viscosity thing..."

What does oil viscosity have to do with 'compression test readings?'

If the engine is hot from operation, and someone didn't pour liquid oil in
the spark plug hole!  (As I see it, anything that is done to 'cheat' on
normal operation characteristics will blind one from the proper results).

A compression check at anything but at normal operating temperatures will
not give you useful results.  Results disovered while the engine is cold
will let you know how things are when the engine is cold.  What percentage
of your driving do you do with a cold engine.  If you want 'normal' results,
you must have 'normal' conditions!!!

In an operating engine, the lower ring 'often called the oil control ring'
wipes excess oil away from the cylinder wall and back into the crankcase.
It does leave a small deposit that lubricates the compression rings, and
saves both the rings and cylinder walls from abrading one another to
destruction.

If you buy a can of motor oil, anything from 5 to 50 weight (weight
translates into viscosity), it should provide the necessary lubrication.
However, no motor manufacturer (that I know of) recommends the use of 5 to
20 weight motor oil in their engines for continuous duty, in ordinary
ambient temperature conditions.  The norm is 30 to 50, in normal climes.

Legend tells us that heavier (more viscuous) motor oil will tend to keep an
engine operating normally that has worn enough to have excess clearances in
say a main bearing journal.  The norm here new being 1.5 thou. clearance,
and there could be some truth the the legend.  And if this does have some
value on a worn engine, it is just a bandaid not a cure.

Problems such as out-of-round bores must be addressed in their own realm,
not by pouring additional motor oil into the spark plug hole before you run
a compression check.

The Wiz Waxes once more

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:56:50 -0400
Subject: 3/4 Olds Item For Sale

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to
sell:

1988 Oldsmobile Aerotech lightweight team jacket.  White over
silver-gray, with a red stripe.  "Oldsmobile" embroidered in red and
"Aerotech" embroidered in silver and dark gray on left front.  Two
zippered and one slash pocket on the outside and one zippered pocket
on the inside.  Size XL.  Used, but in good condition.  $50,
including shipping costs to addresses in the United States. (3/4/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to
purchase this item or if you would like additional information about
it.  Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:02:10 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 What?(meaningless midadventure)

At 10:27 AM 3/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>I got to the guy's trailer, saw a black `74 cutlass sitting next to a
>>bulldozer that had a tarp covering a big lump at the front of the blade.
>>The guy pulled the tarp back and there was a huge completely red engine.
>[...]
>>The oil and transmission fluid both looked
>>and smelled fine, and he would let me start it there if I wanted to bring a
>>battery and a little gas.
>
>Yow! Let me get this straight: You have this humongous engine sitting
>_on_the_ground_ and he wants to start it? I don't think I'd care to have
>that much self-propelled mass bouncing around under its own power,
>thankyouverymuch, even if it is more-or-less balanced. (I would, however,
>probably pay money for a video of it. :-)
>
>>I just couldn't believe this guy was so ignorant....and to talk to him I'm
>>actually inclined to think he's dumb enough to buy an engine and not even
>>know what the hell it is.
>
>He is hoping to find another person who knows nothing about engines but
>is willing to buy one not in a car...
>
>Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
>Datalogics, Inc.
>101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282
>
>
>

I have a substantial list of engines I would buy laying on the ground, in
front of a bulldozer and a tarp covering them.   Without attempting to play
field hockey with them.

The Wiz

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From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@cadvansys.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:12:11 -0400
Subject: Re: please stop the e-mail

Ryan Hehn wrote:
>
> KellyesMom@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > Please discontinue the e-mail. It is overwhelming!
> > Take me off the list.
> > Thank you
>
> I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting really sick of
> these messages from people who didn't read their welcome mail!
>
> I say let them suffer until they figure it out.
>
> Ryan Hehn
> ryanh@docker.com


Here Here!  It's their own fault for not reading instructions.

Maybe we should have some kind of aptitude test as a prerequisite.
Here,  I'll give an example:

1.)  If you can read this Press Ctrl+Alt+Del NOW to access this forum.
(See Item ª2)







2.)  If you followed the directions in Step 1 please leave immediately
while you still can.  Please do not come back without a brain.


Gerald Hughes


If this is offensive to anyone I do NOT apologize.  Anyone who is anyone
on this list will understand my frustrations and my satirical humor.  I
find it shameful that Greg has to clean up after the kiddies who can't
get themselves out of what they can get themselves into.  His time is
much more valuable and better spent writing and replying to the
OLDSMOBILE messages that he choses.

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From: Death <dldeathe@mail.pittstate.edu>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:18:26 -0400
Subject: Re: High RPM Stress con'd: Turbo Backpressure: Scottie

>
> I agree that the heat and pressure above the ambient is energy, but I'm
> still not comprehending using the heat to drive the turbo.  I think its the
> pressure that drives the turbo.  Off the top of my rather pointed head I
> believe that the waste heat passes thru the turbo charger and continues down
> exhaust pipe, still as waste heat.


You are correct in that pressure is indeed the mechanism
that drives the turbo.  However, to utilize any signifigant
amout of pressure from the engine you need the heat.
Temperature is a measure of extra enery in a given system.
i.e.  The more heat you have the more energy you have.
This extra energy(heat) causes the air to expand, therefore
giving the air a greater presure to drive the turbo.  Which
gives you a greater amount of boost than you would otherwise
have.  :)

Dan Deatherage
1971 Cutlass Supreme

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 12:19:49 -0400
Subject: Re: turbos/RPM stress

At 04:18 PM 3/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>When I turn off my hot engine on my old '62 Jetfire, the turbo winds
>>down.  The turbo & exhaust manifolds stay hot for quite a while after
>>the turbo is off.  I believe that the passing of the exhaust over the
>>blades of the driven exhaust turbine causes it to rotate.  The
>>temperature isn't giving me the main effect.
>>
>>Bill Culp
>
>You are supposed to let turbo cars idle for about a minute before you shut
>the engine off...this adds life to your turbo.!
>
>
>
By letting the turbo wind down, you let it spin while it's still being
oiled.  Turn off the engine, and the oil pressure dropes to -0- and the
turbo, possibly still spinning near max RPM will wind down in the residual
oil, which is not necessarily sufficient to the purpose.

The Wiz

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From: Terrance Bradley <DocOlds@Magmacom.com>
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 15:19:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Parts for sale

Kurt Heinrich wrote:
>
> > For Sale:
> > 1971    rear cutout bumper excellent core
> >         no rust could be used but needs rechrome        200.00

> > Call for other pieces to numerous to mention some NOS some used.
> >
> >  Docolds@magmacom.com
> >  1-613-567-9203 after 5pm.
> >  Located in Canada delivery possible depending where you live.
>               ^^^^^^
> I take it this means prices are in CSD?

No all prices are US dollars.

   Docolds

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From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:05:00 -0400
Subject: 66 F85

     I seem to recall somewhere I heard of a 66 F85 with a green inte=
rior=20
for sale in the midwest, but I can't remember where I saw it !!!!  Ca=
n=20
anybody help ???
THANKS !!!!!!!

John Pajak     "DR. OLDS"
Lexington Park, MD
Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL

65 Delta 88
66 Toronado
69 Cutlass S
70 Cutlass S W31
70 442 W30 convert
72 442 W30 convert
72 Delta 88 convert
+ others
=BF

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