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oldsmobile-digest         Friday, 7 February 1997      Volume 01 : Number 504

Re: Subject: A Few Q's
Rear Spring Installation??
RE: 4speed back up light switch
Re: Rear Spring Installation??
Re: A Few Q's
Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
AvGas...again..
Re: Rear Spring Installation??
Re: Do I need the condenser on my regulator?
65-66 88/98 Info Available
Mid Engines (was: "Ugly 442s (was 1991 Olds W-41))
1991 I-Series Calais Sedans
Re: Octane Boost
RE: 1991 Olds W-41
Re: A Few Q's
Re: Performance !
Re: 1991 Olds W-41
Re: Rear Spring Installation??
Re: 69 H/O Mirrors
[none]
RE: 1991 Olds W-41
Re: 69 H/O Mirrors
Re: Flames
Re: Mustangs vs. W-41
Re: Mustangs vs. W-41
1/4 Mile et question
Re: '87 442 VIN
Re: Cornball Humor (was Mice in my intake)
Re: Mice in my intake
DANGER..Coils Ahead
Re: A Few Q's
New '97 88
Re: DANGER..Coils Ahead
455 vs 425
Re: DANGER..Coils Ahead
fyi, my $3.00 worth(inflation)
Re: 1991 Olds W-41
Re: Olds 307 hop up help
RE: Quad 4 W-41s
Re: A Few Q's
Re: 1991 I-Series Calais Sedans
Re: DANGER..Coils Ahead
Re: Olds Parts for sale
Re: A Few Q's
Re: 69 H/O Mirrors
Kathy Mattea swaps a Rocket 455 into a  Ford Thunderturd
Re: Flames
Re: A Few Q's
Re: Kathy Mattea swaps a Rocket 455 into a Ford Thunderturd
Re: Cornball Humor (Non Olds)

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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:44:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Subject: A Few Q's

><Does anyone have any advice on:
>
>>1.)     Cleaning a (should-be) white convertible top.  The top is in   >
good >>shape, so I don't want to replace it. > >Craig, > >        I heard of a
very effective method for cleaning a white conv't >top.  It may not work if it
is too nasty, but give it a try!  For >other readers, I would avoid
application on colored tops due to >possible fading. > >        First,
purchase some of the "hand cleaner in a tub" stuff like >Goop.  IMPORTANT:
make sure it is white, and not colored.  Get the >slimy stuff (consistancy of
soft lard).  Trax Auto sells it's house >brand here pretty cheap. >
Now, scrub the top using a brush with the cleaner and water.  Believe >me, the
water is critical to success!  I dip the brush into >a bucket of water, scrape
out some cleaner with the edge of the brush, >and scrub vigorously.  It will
tend to bleach the stains out.  Then >just rinse.  I would be sure to rinse
all of the cleaner off the paint >pretty quick, as it would probably be a
little hard on it after a while. > >        Good luck! >-- >Brett Chaveriat
Arlington Hts, IL >mailto:brett@mcs.com > >72 Cutlass Supreme Convt. (Radiant
Green)

Most of these hand-cleaners use Lanolin. It is a weird molecule that will
bind to oils on one end, and water at the other.

That is why it will take the oil off your hands AND wash off with water.
As Brett mentions, water IS necessary and would not inhibit it's cleaning
abilities over the "straight" stuff.


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* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:49:25 -0400
Subject: Rear Spring Installation??

I am ready to put in the rear springs on my '65 98 this weekend.

The manual shows a hold-down plate bolted to the bottom of the spring.

I do not have anything holding the springs on except an upper and lower perch.

Is this "normal"????

I plan to jack up the car REAL high and drop the shocks and lower control
arms, then let the Diff. down as far as possible. I expect that I will be
able to pry the springs out with a large iron bar at this point. I know
this might sound like a joke, but I do expect it to work... Any comments?


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* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
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From: "Patrick Derkacz" <spencergrant1@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:35:06 -0400
Subject: RE: 4speed back up light switch

 I will be pulling the 4spd out of my '69 442 convertible over the weekend and
 I know the back up light switch was missing when I purchased the vehicle, so
 when I did the frame off restoration I didn't replace it (because I didn't
know it was missing).  Well now is the time to do it on my bench instead of my
 back.  I have a service manual for this car but have not been able to figure
 out where it goes.  If anyone knows, and could give me some insight it would
 be much appreciated.

spencergrant@msn.com
1969 442 conv.(partially disassembled)

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From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 01:04:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Rear Spring Installation??

Dan Lacey wrote:
>
> I am ready to put in the rear springs on my '65 98 this weekend.
>
> The manual shows a hold-down plate bolted to the bottom of the spring.
>
> I do not have anything holding the springs on except an upper and lower
perch. > > Is this "normal"???? > > I plan to jack up the car REAL high and
drop the shocks and lower control > arms, then let the Diff. down as far as
possible. I expect that I will be > able to pry the springs out with a large
iron bar at this point. I know > this might sound like a joke, but I do expect
it to work... Any comments? > >
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THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        * > *
*       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    * > * LEFT BLANK                *
3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             * > *                           *
Santa Ana, CA. 92704                * >
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Dan, I've seen some of the big cars have that hold down clamp, but most
of them do not. You should not have to unbolt the lower control arms,
there should be enough clearence just by letting the shocks loose. You
might have to get the jack and jack up the opposing side to get the
spring out, but I doubt it. When I did my Cutlass, they both fell out
after a certain distance.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:15:32 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

I found some stuff at Western Auto it was in a spray can and called Lifter
1 Convertable top cleaner. It worked good but it took a whole can and my
top wasnt real dirty. In my machine shop some of the cleanest engines I
have seen have had Castrol GTX and Quaker State in them and the nastiest
seem to always have Pennzoil in them. Maybe the Pennz users here just don't
change their oil.

- ----------
> From: Aaron Neumann <neumann.12@osu.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: RE: A Few Q's
> Date: Thursday, February 06, 1997 12:31 PM
>
> >Does anyone have any advice on:
> >
> >1.)	Cleaning a (should-be) white convertible top.  The top is in 
	good
> >shape, so I don't want to replace it.
> >
> >2.)	What brand and weight of oil do you recommend using.>
> >
> Hey Craig.  I've tried a coupla industrial strength cleaners for my top,
and
> I found what works best is called "Mean Green."  It's not very expensive
and
> comes in a squirt bottle.  I never seen any cleaner designed expressly
for
> convertable tops.  Also be careful not to get to much cleaner or scrub to
> hard on the stitching...some of those concentrated cleaners can really
> weaken it.
>
> As far as oil, it depends on your climate.  I'm in Ohio and my car sees
hot
> summer days and frigid winter days so I use 10W-30.  Usually Valvoline or
> Pennzoil or Quaker State.  Personal preference.
>
> -Aaron
>
>  _____
> |  |  |
> |  |  | Aaron Neumann Coulumbus, OH  (614) 294-7354
> |  |  | neumann.12@osu.edu  or  me250007@rcl.eng.ohio-state.edu
> | /|\ | 72 Delta 88 Royale Conv. (with 400 brand spanking new horses)
> |/_|_\|
>
>

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:16:29 -0400
Subject: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

The following is a list of Olds parts for sale.

64 Cutlass/442
grille assm     $75.00
RH headlight door    $25.00
F. bumper core    $75.00
RH tail lens    $5.00ea
LH tail lens    $5.00ea
Tail light bezels (used) $15.00 ea
Steering wheel center   $10.00

66 Cutlass/442
Headlight doors    $45.00pr

67 Cutlass/442
400/425 NOS fuel pump    $50.00
400/425 NOS water pump   $75.00
Headlight doors NOS   $125.00pr (cutlass)

67 Toronado
dash gauge bezel   $55.00
Rear glass    $50.00
Package tray    $25.00

68 Cutlass/442
RH headlight plastic   $100.00ea
Headlight doors    $5.00ea
Trunk chrome molding   $50.00set
Rear bumper core    $65.00 (cutlass)
Rear window moldings   $40.00set

68 Toronado
Headlight vacuum actuator    $50.00
Headlight switch     $10.00
Dash gauges    $10.00ea
F bumper    $75.00
R bumper    $75.00
Turn signal lens   $65.00pr
Radiator top plate   $35.00

69 Cutlass/442
Headlight doors   $50.00pr
Hood tongue   $15.00
Hood hinges   $20.00pr
LH tail light    $20.00
4 row radiator top plate   $75.00
Q-jet 7049250 (rebuilt)   $100.00
Rear defrost switch    $15.00
Black inner fenders    $80.00pr

70 Cutlass/442
Hood tongue   $20.00ea
Headlight doors   $55.00pr
Hood hinges  $20.00pr
442 post door panels   $40.00pr
Tail light lens   $15.00ea
Cutlass S grilles   $65.00pr
Rear upper control arms   $75.00pr
Drum brake knuckles and backs (complete)   $85.00
OAI hood pins (nice used)  $30.00pr
455 distributor #1111978 (2nd design)   $25.00
455/425/400  Offenhauser 2-4bbl. low rise intake w/2 carter 550 cfm carbs.
(Complete setup w/ linkage) $350.00
70-72 shifter console (1 blue and 1 black)  $125.00ea
70 Cutlass "S" side moldings (set) $135.00
72 Cutlass Supreme side moldings (set) 135.00
70 AM/FM mono w/amp $85.00Misc:

1986/87  88/98 wire wheel covers   $125.00set

**** New stuff to list****

72 Cutlass/442
10 Bolt 3.23:1 W-27 (Cover) Anti-Spin rear end   $550.00
Boxed Lower control arms  $60.00pr
Column Shift Tilt (black)   $100.00
Headlight Plastic Housings  $40.00pr
Auto Consoles (2 black, 1 blue)   $75.00ea
Dash Pads (A/C car, 2 black)   $125.00ea
Edelbrock Performer Intake (small block)  $100.00
Long Wheel Molding Sets   $125.00set
Tail Light Lens   $15.00ea


P.S.  We have more parts!

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
Virginia  Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869

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From: Jeffrey King <jking@exame2.dseg.ti.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:14:36 -0400
Subject: AvGas...again..

>Up here in Denton (Tx), there are a couple of credit card operated,
>unmanned pumps.  Just slide your card and put it in whatever you
>want.  Best times to do this seems to be in the dead of night ;)

Guess I should have said:

Up here at the Denton County airport, there are some unmanned, credit
card operated avgas pumps which you can pull up to in the dead of
night, swipe your (own) card, and put the avgas into whatever you
wish.  From what I've been told, avgas doesn't have the road taxes
imposed on it like regular gas does, hence it's illegal to use it
on the road.
Also, along the tire size/speedometer error thread... does anyone know
how to adjust a speedometer?  The one in my '61 Super 88 is 15 mph off
at 70mph real speed!  Granted, I love crusing along while indicating
85mph, but I'd rather have it be correct.  BTW, I'm running P215-75R14
tires on it now.  I think the original size is 8.00 x 14 or 8.50 x 14.
How about running a list of comparisons between the old, bias sized
tires and the new metric sized ones?

Jeff King ('61 Super 88)

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214-956-6031 (work)         214-597-1021 (pager)
817-482-3446 (home)         If none of the above works:    HEY YOU!!!
=====================================================================
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=====================================================================

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From: KEVIN HOOPINGARNER <khooping@mail.bright.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:29:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Rear Spring Installation??

>Dan Lacey wrote:
>>
>> I am ready to put in the rear springs on my '65 98 this weekend.
>>
>> The manual shows a hold-down plate bolted to the bottom of the spring.
>>
>> I do not have anything holding the springs on except an upper and lower
perch.
>>
>> Is this "normal"????
>>
>> I plan to jack up the car REAL high and drop the shocks and lower control
>> arms, then let the Diff. down as far as possible. I expect that I will be
>> able to pry the springs out with a large iron bar at this point. I know
>> this might sound like a joke, but I do expect it to work... Any comments?

>Dan, I've seen some of the big cars have that hold down clamp, but most
>of them do not. You should not have to unbolt the lower control arms,
>there should be enough clearence just by letting the shocks loose. You
>might have to get the jack and jack up the opposing side to get the
>spring out, but I doubt it. When I did my Cutlass, they both fell out
>after a certain distance.
>
>Stephen Hoover
>Dallas, Texas
>'70 Cutlass "S"


        Dan,

                I agree with Stephen, when I changed the rear springs in one
of my '70 442's, I left the lower control arms attached.  Make sure you have
the car high enough and you can then lower the rear end (with a hydraulic
jack) past the full extension point of the springs. They should then just
slide or fall out.  At the time I had a pair of rear springs from a 69 Vista
Cruiser that I put in.  I did have to use a hydraulic jack between the
rearend and the bottom of the car to achieve enough clearance for the
springs to slide back in.  I don't remember the exact unsprung height of the
"wore" VC springs vs. the "wore" 442 springs but on a limited budget they
worked perfectly.


Kevin Hoopingarner
'70 442 W-30
Findlay Oh.

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:44:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Do I need the condenser on my regulator?

I believe the condensor on the external regulator is just for noise
suppression , but I would happily stand corrected on this point. Humble
suggestion,  when your alternator gives out switch the whole dern thing to
internally regulated, then you have bright lights at idle.

I have a strong preference for the post-installation wiring simplicity of
the internally regulated units, but you _do_ give up originality. Not much
of a concern for me since I'd like to never sell my car. Ever.

cf


>I finally replaced the mechanical voltage regulator with a solid state unit
>this afternoon.  I had a question about the condenser that was on the
>mechanical regulator.  The solid state regulator has what appears to be a
>connection for the condenser and I was wondering if I need it.  Is it just
>noise suppression for the coils in the mechanical regulator or does it serve
>some more important purpose?
>
>I had a look at the mechanical regulator and I could see how it would give
>my HEI a hard time, causing it to fail back in december.  (Some may recall
>my fight with the stuck distributor that ended up becoming a rare one of a
>kind two-piece unit.)  There is one set of points in the regulator that is
>eaten up pretty bad, and it turns out the regulator was causing some
>problems I was having with dim lights and what appeared to be generally low
>voltage.  When I started the car after installing the new regulator the
>ammeter indicated about a 25 amp charge.  Looks like voltage was worse than
>I originally thought.
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
>Greg Pruett
>`72 Vista Cruiser

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From: Christian Fair <cfair@FairIsaac.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:48:13 -0400
Subject: 65-66 88/98 Info Available

Walter,
I should be making the copies of the wiring diagram and vacuum hose diagram
this evening or the next few days. I thought I'd make maybe 4-5 extra
copies just for anyone else who might be interested.

Those of you with 65-66 big cars. Who would like a copy of these diagrams.
They're easily the most useful parts of the Chassis service manual, at least
to me.

cf


>	I joined the list about a week ago and am enjoying it a lot. I have
>been
>messing with cars all my life but have never been into the restoration part
>of it until lately. I worked as a mechanic at some dealerships ( none of
>them G.M.) about 20 years ago. I got away from it except for keeping my
>stuff going... until I found a 67 Charger and a 56 Belair to play with a
>few years ago. The 56 now runs mid 12's with a small block and when the
>laughing gas is used it will get into the mid 11's. The Dodge is still in
>work.
>	I always liked engine repair so when it looked like my job at
>Lockheed was
>not going to be there much longer  I started a small automotive machine
>shop. I have since become a ASE certified master engine machinest and run
>my shop full time.  This is more or less Chevy country and Chevy pickups
>are the choice of all the kids for hot rod rides so I don't get a lot of
>Olds engines to work on. I have done a few 350's and a 455 or two but no
>H/P Olds stuff.  I am learning a lot from you guys that have made them go
>fast.
>	I guess everyone wonders what I am doing reading the Olds list. Back 
in
>Nov. we found a 66 Delta 88 convertable that we could afford. My wife has
>wanted a ragtop for years so I bought it for her. Personally I never was
>much of a Olds fan. We have since  fell in love with it so I guess I am at
>least partialy converted. I have to admit it  rides and drives nice and it
>sure is pretty too. It needs a lot of tinkering to get it the way I want it
>but it is a fairly nice car to start with. Someone has put a 350 with the #
>8 heads in it and I found some 7a heads in the shop and that 2 bbl has to
>go .....yeah I guess I am hooked on it just like the rest of ya'll .
>
>Walter Jones    Bowie Texas

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:04:05 -0400
Subject: Mid Engines (was: "Ugly 442s (was 1991 Olds W-41))

 ...Does anyone else remember the one with the supercharged 403 mounted
 mid-engine, where the back seat should have been?...

     Wasn't that car built by Bill Porterfield, former Olds engineer?  His
     other claim to fame was the development of the mid-engined, Toro 455
     powered Kelmark kit car.  In fact, I think he had a company called Mid
     Engineering (how original) which sold plans and chassis which would
     replace a VW floor pan and accept a Toro drive package for building
     mid-engined VW-based kit cars.

     Joe Padavano
     jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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From: NotDads442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 21:22:08 -0400
Subject: 1991 I-Series Calais Sedans

>>After much discussion with Olds on-line recently, my next car to find
>>will be a 1991 I-Series Calais Sedan(4-door) with a 5-speed.  According
>>the the sheet Olds sent me there were 58 made!
>
>Wow.  Never even heard of one of these.  I asssume that would be
>the Getrag trans.  I thought this came on the 3.4L cars, but
>didnt the 3.4L come out in '92?
>
>The fact that it would be in a 4-door would make it pretty rare indeed.
>
>- -Jeff

Jeff, this would have been the 180 hp Quad 4 engine 2.3l I believe.  I will
look at my sheet from Olds tonite.

Cecil

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:44:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Octane Boost

IRA H SIEGELMAN wrote:
>
>      Where can this LS130 be purchased? I can't seem to find it in
>      California.

The only supplier in the U.S. is Stone Oil Co. Call 912-489-2896
I do not think you will have a problem with shipping. There is a
hazardous material charge.

Danny

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:17:43 -0400
Subject: RE: 1991 Olds W-41

At 08:22 AM 2/6/97 -0400, Mike Coccagna wrote:
>On  6 Feb 97 at 11:39, Robert Barry wrote:
>
>> 14.7 from a W-41; hmmm, put is right in the league with the '71-'72
>> 442's, and is just about where a 4-bbl '70 SX would be...
>
>And you guys think the Quad442s were a disgrace to the 442 nameplate.
> Anyone care to remember the mid-70's to 80's 442s, like the giant
>hatchback looking ones? (Yuck!)

Totally agree there with the mid 70's and the hatchback ones.  The problem
with the Quad442 is that it doesn't fit the stereotypical "muscle car"
opinion. You know, most guys just cant see a Quad442 faster than their late
60's early 70's muscle beast....just my theory, take it for what its
worth...maybe $.01 or so:)
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28......patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2, GSC,  currently bone stock
      planned spring mods: !Cat, !TB, 160stat, SLP cat back, GM Cold Air Kit
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30...white/gold...........3rd place '97 Cleveland Auto Rama

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:23:42 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

In a message dated 97-02-06 10:00:09 EST, you write:

> 1.)	Cleaning a (should-be) white convertible top.  The top is in 
	good
>  shape, so I don't want to replace it.

Spray-Nine and a scrub brush and a strong arm.  Toothbrush on hard to reach
spots.  I get my Spray-Nine at the local hardware store.  Its a germicidal
cleanser.  So not only will it be clean, but it'll be totally germ free.

Paul

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From: Frank Gonzalez <PLPAUDIO@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:01:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Performance !

Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil wrote:
>
> Frank Gonzalez wrote:
>
> >I once replaced the stock 4v intake on my 72 350 cutlass with a
> >performer.The car had already had headers and 2 1/2 pipes with generic
> >turbo mufflers which reduced 1\4 mile times by .2 and upped speed 4 mph
> >I then rejeted the carb and gained .1 and another 2mph.I then added
> >Performer Intake and saw a gain .1 and no mph but discovered carb still
> >needed to be richer after which it picked up an additiuonal .1 and 4mph.
> >That would be approx 20hp gain atributed to manifold.However I dont know
> >if this holds true for 455.(all track times were averaged over 3 runs.)"
Stock engine,3.23 posi,stock duals, avg 16.10 85mph,bit of a bog off
line

same with headers,2 1\2 duals and turbo mufflers, avg 15.90 89mph,no bog
 but some pinging,plugs showed lean rejetted and went to 15.80 and 91

added performer went to avg 15.70 91mph still lean rejetted went to
avg 15.60 95 by now wheelspin was hampering ability to get off line
I was running G-70x14.With better traction it probably would have done
better because mph was strong.Qjet Carb had definately seen better days.
This was with stock low compresion 72 smog motor.

BTW:I also tried Holley street dominator,made the car run like s%^t.
Hope this helps you.
Frank
70 442
71 442 W-30 convt
72 Cutlass s




> What were you 1/4 times and MPH, before and after ?? Which rearend ration,
> etc did you have ? Having raced just about all of my cars (stock and
> modified), I am interested in the performance potential of each combination.
> My 1969 350 4V Cutlass (stock) with 2.73 gears ran 16.40 @80 mph. My 1970
> 350 2V Cutlass with 2.56 gears ran 16.80 @80 MPH.
>
> John Pajak              DR OLDS
> Lexington Park, MD
> Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL
>
> 65 Delta 88
> 66 Toro Deluxe
> 69 Cutlass S
> 70 Cutlass S  (3)
> 70 Cutlass S W31
> 70 442 W30 Convert
> 71 Cutlass Supreme 2D HT
> 72 Delta 88 Convert
> 72 442 W30 Convert
> 72 442 Convert
> 72 Cutlass Supreme Convert
> 72 Cutlass S
> 72 Cutlass
> 86 Cutlass Supreme
> 68 Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
> 75 F-100
> 82 Suburban

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 22:49:46 -0400
Subject: Re: 1991 Olds W-41

At 02:55 PM 2/6/97 -0400, Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil wrote:

>
>SCREEEEEEECH !!!!!!!!!!!
>HOLD ON !!!!!!  That 14.7 time was from a prototype. I read another road
>test of an actual production W-41 and it was a LOT slower, something like
>low 16s. I'll see if I can dig up the article.

Sometimes the factory provides "ringers" to the magazines to drive. Case in
point is the 96 Camaro SS. Some mags were pulling 13.2, 13.3's with this
same car. Many owners of the SS on the f-body list have trouble hanging with
regular production Z/28's and they "supposedly" only have 285hp as compared
to 305hp. You have to take the times in the mags with a grain of salt.  I
remember back in 89 some mag got a 12.9 out of a Turbo T/A, while those cars
were usually running 13.5's stock. Half the times the guys driving these
cars can't drive worth a crap and some even have the intern's run 'em down
the strip.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28......patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2, GSC,  currently bone stock
      planned spring mods: !Cat, !TB, 160stat, SLP cat back, GM Cold Air Kit
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30...white/gold...........3rd place '97 Cleveland Auto Rama

------------------------------

From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 23:36:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Rear Spring Installation??

KEVIN HOOPINGARNER wrote:
>
> >Dan Lacey wrote:
> >>
> >> I am ready to put in the rear springs on my '65 98 this weekend.
> >>
> >> The manual shows a hold-down plate bolted to the bottom of the spring.
> >>
> >> I do not have anything holding the springs on except an upper and lower
> perch.
> >>
> >> Is this "normal"????
> >>
> >> I plan to jack up the car REAL high and drop the shocks and lower control
> >> arms, then let the Diff. down as far as possible. I expect that I will be
> >> able to pry the springs out with a large iron bar at this point. I know
> >> this might sound like a joke, but I do expect it to work... Any comments?
>
> >Dan, I've seen some of the big cars have that hold down clamp, but most
> >of them do not. You should not have to unbolt the lower control arms,
> >there should be enough clearence just by letting the shocks loose. You
> >might have to get the jack and jack up the opposing side to get the
> >spring out, but I doubt it. When I did my Cutlass, they both fell out
> >after a certain distance.
> >
> >Stephen Hoover
> >Dallas, Texas
> >'70 Cutlass "S"
>
>         Dan,
>
>                 I agree with Stephen, when I changed the rear springs in one
> of my '70 442's, I left the lower control arms attached.  Make sure you have
> the car high enough and you can then lower the rear end (with a hydraulic
> jack) past the full extension point of the springs. They should then just
> slide or fall out.  At the time I had a pair of rear springs from a 69 Vista
> Cruiser that I put in.  I did have to use a hydraulic jack between the
> rearend and the bottom of the car to achieve enough clearance for the
> springs to slide back in.  I don't remember the exact unsprung height of the
> "wore" VC springs vs. the "wore" 442 springs but on a limited budget they
> worked perfectly.
>
> Kevin Hoopingarner
> '70 442 W-30
> Findlay Oh.

And continuing on Kevin's note (Man I LOVE long threads :))I have
noticed that if you go with correct replacements you should not need to
create any extra clearence with the jack, because factory springs are
short, but strong. However, if you go with the new modern marvel of
science and get the "variable rate" springs, you will find that these
springs are significantly taller than fatory springs, (as they are not
as strong) and you will probably need that jack.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

------------------------------

From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 21:38:46 -0400
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Mirrors

...I've seen these mirrors one other place besides the 69 H/O, that is = until
 today!...

     Careful.  There are a large number of _similar_ mirrors which were
     made in England, however I have never found an _exact_ match with the
     69 H/O units.  I think a similar unit was used on the Shelby Cobra
     also.

     The H/O bases seem to be unique in that the mounting surface to the
     door is much longer than those found on other, similar mirrors.  The
     mirrors on my H/O were missing when I bought the car, and I purchased
     quite a number of mirrors which I thought were the ones at swap meets,
     only to find out that the bases were wrong.  I finally ended up
     spending a small fortune on a package deal for the correct mirrors,
     intake, and air cleaner assembly (probably the very ones removed from
     the car originally!).

     It is surprising that the H/O mirrors would be unique to that car,
     however.  I would have expected them to use units which were widely
     available at the time to keep the production costs down.  Mayby these
     were available on other vehicles and I just haven't found the right
     match yet.

     Joe Padavano
     jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

------------------------------

From: "Don Smith" <don442@oz.sunflower.org>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 00:24:01 -0400
Subject: [none]

Unsubscribe

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From: sbento@mecn.mass.edu
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 00:27:04 -0400
Subject: RE: 1991 Olds W-41

On Thu, 6 Feb 1997 PidgLanger@aol.com wrote:

> Mike Evans wrote..
>
> >As a former owner of many brands of musclecars (including 7 5.0 Mustangs),
I > > >necessarily must take exception here.  Don't get me wrong--I love Quad
4's, > >especially, the W-41, and it may have taken a few automatic or
unsuspecting > >5.0's--but, generally speaking, on the dragstrip, even a
stock 5-speed 5.0 > >with a decent driver would win, hands down. > > >
>Sticking his neck out, expecting abuse.... > > > >Mike Evans > > Mike, > >
No abuse from me. > > The Motor Trend mag I have when they tested the W-41,
I believe stated a 1/4 > time of 14.7 at something in the low 90s mph(The 1991
Vette they tested ran > 14.3 or 14.2).  At the time, the 5-speed 5.0s were
running in the mid 15's so > I must disagree.  My 5.0 was an automatic and was
all stock.  After driving > both, it didn't stand a prayer against the W-41.
I've never had the car on > the track, so I don't have times for my car in
particular.  And in regards to > the "unsuspecting 5.0s" I've encountered on
the street.  Without any prior > knowledge of a W-41, what would you have been
when a Calais pulled up beside > you and went Bzzzzz Bzzzzz??  That's the
great fun in this car.;)  I've > driven in other cars with Quad 4s, they don't
even come close.  The bigger > cams in the W-41 make the car shake at idle and
the 3.94:1 drive ratio in the > transaxle make it get up go like nobody's
business.:) > > Expecting return abuse..... > > Cecil > 1991 Olds Calais
Quad 442 W-41 > > Well no abuse from me, This has actually sparked my
interest, I never knew any of the quad 4's were that fast!! But, as for a
five speed 5.0 running mid 15's that sounds a little off the mark..My friends
and I have owned a total of 5 5.0's and they were all 5 speeds and they all
ran mid to high 14's stock, the automatics were mid 15's and up cars stock
(especially the convertibles). My car with only a K&N filter and a 3 degree
timing advance has run 14.8's without powershifting (I don't like walking
home) ;-) and leaving the line just above idle (stock tires). I can tell from
my mph (93.8) that the car will run low 14's if I got some sticky tires and
drove it harder...

Sounds like a nice car Cecil, from now on I will look for those W-41
badges on all the Calais I see, hopefully someone will bring one up to
the track next season, I would love to see one of those make a few passes!!

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0

------------------------------

From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 00:33:30 -0400
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Mirrors

  When I bought my 69 H/O from the original owner, he told me the dealer
had told him when he bought the car new that the mirrors were made be a
small company in Italy that made mirrors for Ferrari, Porsche ect. I guess
this would sound good to a perspective buyer but who knows.

Joe Padavano is correct, be careful when buying these mirrors, there are lots
that look close.  A fellow club member bought a 69 H/O from Florida sight
unseen that supposedly had the "correct" mirrors, turns out the mirrors were
off some kind of AMC, close but no cigar.

Mike
66 442
69 H/O
70 W30
71 442 convt

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:31:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Flames

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
>
> > >Of course you are right.  I don't know who changed my post like that.
> > >Ever since Lincoln was elected, you can't trust government anymore.
> > >
> > >Bill Culp
> > >Decatur, Alabama
>
> Gee Bill, what a sore loser! :)  And you're a transplant, even...
>
> > Lincoln, h*ll.  Washington was a farmer.  Adams was a... Ever since Adams
> > (John) is closer to the truth.
> >
> > The Wiz
>
> Adams was a brewer!  No, wait, that was his brother, Samuel... :)
>
> Tim Churchill

Cousin.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

PS. We haven't lost.  Isn't this half time?

------------------------------

From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 12:32:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Mustangs vs. W-41

Meyer Stolberg wrote:
>
> Hi Oldsmofriends,
>     I'm back on the list after a several month hiatus.  I'm so happy to see
a thread on a subject dear to my heart... > Welcome back Meyer!  I test drove
the last year of the previous generation Mustang Cobra and was not impressed.
It couldn't have been much faster if at all, and I didn't like the handling.
My experience is that the W-41s need a good launch and must be driven
flawlessly to compete with good V8 pony cars.  I've smoked some and have lost
some. If I get a good launch they won't catch me until 4th or 5th gear.  By
then it may be too late.  I even embarassed a newer Vette once by shifting
from 5th to 3rd at 55mph and blowing by.

A well driven W-41 will challange any stock Rustang or last generation
Camaro.

Jeff.
	'91 Quad 442 W-41
	'70 442 Conv.

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 01:29:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Mustangs vs. W-41

At 12:32 PM 2/7/97 -0400, jeff antonucci wrote:

>
>A well driven W-41 will challange any stock Rustang or last generation
>Camaro.

Aren't the new Z24's and Sunfire's with the "Twin Cam" Olds engine pulling
high 14's to low 15's in the mag's? Thought I read that somewhere.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28......patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2, GSC,  currently bone stock
      planned spring mods: !Cat, !TB, 160stat, SLP cat back, GM Cold Air Kit
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30...white/gold...........3rd place '97 Cleveland Auto Rama

------------------------------

From: "Kenneth G. Holland Jr." <rottin@coil.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 01:26:31 -0400
Subject: 1/4 Mile et question

If a car ran a best of 13.09@112 in the 1/4 with tons of wheel spin off
the line and sideways into second gear what would it run if it were to
hook up?  I have heard that MPH gives an indication of this. The car
would be a 68 Cutlass S (Gutless as my friends liked to call it) w/beefy
455, th400, 3.23 posi rear, BF Goodrich T/A 60 tires.  It was my high
school ride, was too broke to afford slicks or a real gear ratio.  Is
there any way to figure approx horsepower numbers from the above
combination?

Ken
rottin@coil.com

------------------------------

From: Timothy Carl Hietpas <thietpas@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 01:59:02 -0400
Subject: Re: '87 442 VIN

	Doug,

1	=United States
6	=	Should be a 'G' for General Motors
3	=	Oldsmobile
G	=	Cutlass
R	=	Supreme Coupe
1	=	2-Door Notchback
1	=	Manual Seat Belts
9	=	307, 4 BC, 8-cyl, 5.0 Liter
1	=	Used to verify that VIN has been properly recorded
H	=	1987
P	=	Assembled in Pontiac, MI
326951	=	Represents the basic production numbers.  Starting with
100001 and up.

If you would like I have the book to identify your 'Service Parts
Identifcation Label' and your 'Body Number Plate'.

	Tim
thietpas@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
1987 Olds 442	Future Plates [87 W-42]

P.S. The book I have is good for 442's, W-Machines, and Hurst/Olds from
1964-1991.



On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Doug Newman wrote:

>                Since so many of our list members are experts at VIN
> decoding, would somebody please take a crack at this one?  (I tried sending
> it to the Olds History Center first, to no avail.)
>
> 163GR1191HP326951
>
> Any info. would be appreciated.
>
> Doug Newman
> Columbus, MS
> 1987 442
>
>
>

------------------------------

From: Escape442@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 02:44:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Cornball Humor (was Mice in my intake)

In a message dated 97-02-06 18:30:50 EST, you write:

>Cornball humor?  Why do you think that I like to listen to Tom and
>>Ray?  It certainly isn't for the seriousness of their advice!  I
>>suppose that you don't support the "Save The Skeets Foundation"
>>either.
>>
>>          ---
>> ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
>>|        | | |   OCA #3943

Tom, If you enjoy those two clowns, then more power to ya! I don't think
those guys could find their ass  with both hands. If you like them, you would
also enjoy "Don & Mike", they have a so-called comedy show where they do all
manner of corny gags.  I enjoy the variety available on Talk Radio today.
 I really enjoy "The Jerky Boys", now there's real humor!  You should tune in
to "On the Road", that guy is awesome.  At least his show survives in the
commercial market, not on taxpayer funds.   Ed   Escape442@aol.com

------------------------------

From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 02:51:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Mice in my intake

You wrote:
>When I bought my 71 442 there was a Holley Street Dominator intake with a
>Holley double pumper carb on it in the trunk. I was thinking of putting it
>on and today I picked it up to look at it and all kinds of garbage fell out
>of it. There were seeds, something that looked like dog food and other junk.
>I don't know what would of happened if I put it on but it would have been
>interesting. Does anyone know what would have happened?

Your Olds would have had a well balanced meal!!!

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass

------------------------------

From: "Jonathan M. Smith" <jmskms@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 02:51:31 -0400
Subject: DANGER..Coils Ahead

I own a 1967 Cutlass Supreme. Back last spring, my driver's side lower
control arm snapped (talk about an interesting drive!).  I went to a
junkyard in Cabool MO (anyone out there from Southern MO?) and got the
control arm from a Buick Special.  Now, mind you, this was my first ever
front end work.  When I got the lower A-arm ready to install, I approached
things like my dad did.  I put the coil spring between the upper and lower
control arms, put a floor jack under the lower ball joint and jacked the
control arm up till the ball joint stud fit into the back of the wheel
thingamajigie (those of you who've done it know what I'm talking about).
But, of course, it didn't go nearly that smoothly for me.  In the first
place I had trouble getting the spring posisioned correctly...there were
times that instead of the car's weight causing the spring to compress, the
spring would just lift the car...and wer'e talking about a 67 here...not
any of those featherweight second generation cutlasses.

I guess what I'm wanting to know here is this:  Is there another way?  This
is the way that my dad did it when I was growing up, but geez...it was sure
a pain in the gludious maximus, and boy did it seem...well...dangerous.
there were times that the spring would pop and I could just see something
giving and the spring go flying through my skull (too many Stephen King
novels I guess).  Does anyone have a better way for the home mechanic?
e-mail:  jmskms@ix.netcom.com
www:     www.netcom.com/~jmskms

------------------------------

From: Escape442@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 03:12:44 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

In a message dated 97-02-06 16:40:44 EST, you write:

>My opinion for the top to really get it clean use WESTLEYS BLEACH WHITE
>whitewall and tire cleaner sounds harsh but it's not .Worked wonders on my
>white interior which was dirty and had fingerprints on it.
>As for oil if weather is warm all the time(that car is driven in) use 20-50
>If not 10-40 works great year round
>Happy Oldsmobileing
>Oldsnut1
>75 H/O W-30

If you are willing to pay for this gentlemen's new top, then feel free to
recommend Bleech-White.  As I posted earlier, this stuff is deadly to vinyl.
 I ruined a tonneau cover with Bleech -White. It dried and cracked like an
old lady's face!   Ed    Escape442@aol.com

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:13:58 -0400
Subject: New '97 88

     Resending this from yesterday, I think our mail server's kinda flakey.

     I'm currently on the road, and the rental agency was out of mid-sized
     cars.  All they had was subcompacts and minivans, and _one_ Delta 88
     to offer.  Doesn't take a brain surgeon (I almost said Rocket
     Scientist; Freudian slip?) to figure out which one I took :-)

     I must say, I am *very* impressed.  If it weren't for the fact that
     it's a 4-door and FWD, I'd be tempted to do something like mortgage my
     soul and buy one.  This one has got _everything_.  Anti-lock brakes,
     traction control (takes all the fun out of front-wheel burnouts),
     power everything (both mirrors, and it seems like 24-way power seats).
      Plus tons of buttons I haven't even bothered to try to figure out
     yet.  I haven't even figured out the headlights yet, they turn on and
     off automatically when needed!  Did I mention the fold-down center
     console with the way, way, over-engineered drink holder that folds out
     and expands?  It rides nice, and the 3800 V6 is fairly peppy (but far
     from what I'd call fast).  There's a little bit of torque steer
     though, and it handles too much like a luxury car and not enough like
     a sports car for my tastes.

     The absolute coolest thing about it, isn't an Olds feature (though it
     should be!).  The GPS navigational system!  I work with lots of new
     high-tech stuff all the time in my line of work and like to think that
     I'm not easily impressed, but this is just downright _cool_, there's
     no other word for it.  Enter your destination address (or select from
     common destinations) and it takes over from there.  It can show an
     overhead map, or directions on the screen such as "Athilda Exit, 3.4
     miles".  It talks to you, and tells you when your turn/exit/whatever
     is coming up.  It will even say details like "Right turn ahead,
     follwed by sharp left turn".  So far it's been 100% accurate!

     Now I just gotta figure out how to tell the SO that I *need* one of
     these.  I think the screen would look nice in the H/O underneath the
     radio in that storage tray. . .

     Oh, I almost forgot.  The phone number for the 24-hour roadside
     assistance from Olds is 800-442-OLDS.  Hard to forget that!

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com


------------------------------

From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 03:25:05 -0400
Subject: Re: DANGER..Coils Ahead

> I guess what I'm wanting to know here is this:  Is there another way?
This
> is the way that my dad did it when I was growing up, but geez...it was
sure
> a pain in the gludious maximus, and boy did it seem...well...dangerous.
> there were times that the spring would pop and I could just see something
> giving and the spring go flying through my skull (too many Stephen King
> novels I guess).  Does anyone have a better way for the home mechanic?

Buy or borrow a coil spring compressor.

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442 Custom

------------------------------

From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 03:32:42 -0400
Subject: 455 vs 425

  Sparks -- did you get the post of the hp ratings -- i never saw it come up
- -- but then again im using aol

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 03:46:32 -0400
Subject: Re: DANGER..Coils Ahead

At 02:51 AM 2/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I own a 1967 Cutlass Supreme. Back last spring, my driver's side lower
>control arm snapped (talk about an interesting drive!).  I went to a
>junkyard in Cabool MO (anyone out there from Southern MO?) and got the
>control arm from a Buick Special.  Now, mind you, this was my first ever
>front end work.  When I got the lower A-arm ready to install, I approached
>things like my dad did.  I put the coil spring between the upper and lower
>control arms, put a floor jack under the lower ball joint and jacked the
>control arm up till the ball joint stud fit into the back of the wheel
>thingamajigie (those of you who've done it know what I'm talking about).
>But, of course, it didn't go nearly that smoothly for me.  In the first
>place I had trouble getting the spring posisioned correctly...there were
>times that instead of the car's weight causing the spring to compress, the
>spring would just lift the car...and wer'e talking about a 67 here...not
>any of those featherweight second generation cutlasses.
>
>I guess what I'm wanting to know here is this:  Is there another way?  This
>is the way that my dad did it when I was growing up, but geez...it was sure
>a pain in the gludious maximus, and boy did it seem...well...dangerous.
>there were times that the spring would pop and I could just see something
>giving and the spring go flying through my skull (too many Stephen King
>novels I guess).  Does anyone have a better way for the home mechanic?
>e-mail:  jmskms@ix.netcom.com
>www:     www.netcom.com/~jmskms
>
>
There is a tool that looks something like a short pipe clamp.  It has two
hooks, and, I think, when used in pairs will compress a coil spring, enough
to install it without going thru any of the masincations (sp) mentioned
lately about coil spring installation.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "H. Karamanos" <hikara@u.washington.edu>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 04:00:01 -0400
Subject: fyi, my $3.00 worth(inflation)

regarding rebuilds:  pay your money and get joe mondellos tech manual and
catalog. will save you time and much grief getting the correct info from
the original "Doctor Oldsmobile" circa 1969

octane boosters:  i run 87 octane and Duralt, factory distributor setting
and no pinging, 1969 442  400cid, 4sp, 3:42 pozi

flame throwers:  complete setups available from suppliers in "low rider"
 and "lead sledd" type magazines

------------------------------

From: Escape442@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 04:55:09 -0400
Subject: Re: 1991 Olds W-41

In a message dated 97-02-06 22:25:55 EST, you write:

>Totally agree there with the mid 70's and the hatchback ones.  The problem
>with the Quad442 is that it doesn't fit the stereotypical "muscle car"
>opinion. You know, most guys just cant see a Quad442 faster than their late
>60's early 70's muscle beast....just my theory, take it for what its
>worth...maybe $.01 or so:)

I think you are on to something,  the QUAD442's are not a "Musclecar" per se.
 I think that the W-40 & W-41's are more like a sports car.  I owned one and
I think it could leave your typical 4-4-2 in the dust on a twisty road
course.  I guess Olds recognized that the traditional buyers of RWD 4-4-2's
would never accept this much of a departure.  I have a healthy respect for
the effort that they put forth on the car.  Because Olds is stuck with GM,
they can't get a RWD platform,  IF  they wanted one.   Ed  Escape442@aol.com

------------------------------

From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 05:13:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds 307 hop up help

In a message dated 97-02-05 16:36:55 EST, you write:

<< I just bought a 84 Cutlass with the 307 in it. What are my options as far
as
 hopping it up? I really want to keep it emissions legal, which is probably
 going to be my biggest handicap towards performance. Any ideas are greatly
 appreciated. >>

John, I am sure you can get at least cat-back exhaust.
I had a friend who put a aftermarket PROM in his 87 442 but he could not tell
much of a difference.  I think it was an ADS.  If you do this I would go with
a Hypertech chip.

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass

------------------------------

From: PidgLanger@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:25:10 -0400
Subject: RE: Quad 4 W-41s

Mike Evans,

When I went home for lunch today, I dug out my copy of Motor Trend's road
test of the W-41 Calais.  They said it ran a 14.7 1/4 mile.  The article
states "that's faster than a 5-liter Z-28 Camaro".  In the back of the
magazine, they list all the cars they have tested in the last year or so and
the respective results.  The 1990 Mustang LX 5.0 went 14.9 in the quarter.  I
imagine the people that do these tests are more skilled at driving than I am
as well as most people on the street.  Plus, those published numbers
represent the best they were able to get out of each car.  Of course, there
are a million different variables that could alter these results on any given
day.  I can only speak to my personal experience.  I driven a 5.0 and hopped
right in to a W-41 and there is no contest.

Cecil Smalley
1991 Olds Calais Quad 442 W-41
PidgLanger@aol.com
NotDads442@aol.com

------------------------------

From: mmetal@chipsnet.com (Macon Metals)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:11:51 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

Craig J. Smith wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any advice on:
>
> 1.)     Cleaning a (should-be) white convertible top.  The top is in    good
> shape, so I don't want to replace it.
>
> 2.)     What brand and weight of oil do you recommend using.
>
> Thanks in advance for any help
>
> Craig Smith
> 68 442


Craig, I use "Simple Green" to do most of my automotive and used parts
cleaning.  this stuff works great and is environmental friendly.  Also I
use Valvoline 10w 40.

happy oldsmobiling
mike fisher

------------------------------

From: Escape442@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 07:34:57 -0400
Subject: Re: 1991 I-Series Calais Sedans

In a message dated 97-02-06 23:21:48 EST, you write:

>>Wow.  Never even heard of one of these.  I asssume that would be
>>the Getrag trans.  I thought this came on the 3.4L cars, but
>>didnt the 3.4L come out in '92?
>>
>>The fact that it would be in a 4-door would make it pretty rare indeed.
>>
>>- -Jeff
>
>Jeff, this would have been the 180 hp Quad 4 engine 2.3l I believe.  I will
>look at my sheet from Olds tonite.
>
>

In '91 we bought a Quad 442, while at the "retailer" ( Oldsspeak for dealer)
we checked out The International Series Calais.  It was the rich man's
version of the 442, you got the same drivetrain (180hp) in a much more
opulant package.   I would have preferred this, but we were attracted to the
"pocket rocket" marketing of the Quad 442.  Ed  Escape442@aol.com

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From: Escape442@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:16:28 -0400
Subject: Re: DANGER..Coils Ahead

In a message dated 97-02-07 02:06:37 EST, you write:

>But, of course, it didn't go nearly that smoothly for me.  In the first
>place I had trouble getting the spring posisioned correctly...there were
>times that instead of the car's weight causing the spring to compress, the
>spring would just lift the car...and wer'e talking about a 67 here...not
>any of those featherweight second generation cutlasses.
>
>I guess what I'm wanting to know here is this:  Is there another way?  This
>is the way that my dad did it when I was growing up, but geez...it was sure
>a pain in the gludious maximus, and boy did it seem...well...dangerous.
>there were times that the spring would pop and I could just see something
>giving and the spring go flying through my skull (too many Stephen King
>novels I guess).  Does anyone have a better way for the home mechanic?
>e-mail:  jmskms@ix.netcom.com
>www:     www.netcom.com/~jmskms

Check with your local tool rental store, you can get a coil spring
compressor.  It clamps on to the spring, you draw it down with bolts and once
it is compressed, you insert it, attach the ball joints and then take it off.
The store will give you detailed instructions. Ed  Escape442@aol.com

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From: mmetal@chipsnet.com (Macon Metals)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:06:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Parts for sale

Chris Urban wrote:
>
> Hey Mike:
>         I was one of those people. These were supposed to be repro's or
what? > I need a 69 remote. > > Thanks > Chris > > ---------- > From:
Macon Metals[SMTP:mmetal@chipsnet.com] > Sent:   February 6, 1997 6:18 AM >
To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca > Subject:        Re: Olds Parts for sale > >
Last week, I posted that I was going to be receiving 1968-69 remote and >
standard mirrors.  They finally arrived yesterday.  Would those of you > who
expressed interest in these please send another email to me? > Computer burped
this week and I lost all I had saved to it in regards to > emails. I also did
get a decent useable 1967 remote mirror for full size > cars also. > > Happy
Oldsmobiling > mike fisher > mmetal@chipsnet.com > 217-692-2019

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From: Escape442@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:32:37 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

In a message dated 97-02-07 06:37:11 EST, you write:

>Craig, I use "Simple Green" to do most of my automotive and used parts
>cleaning.  this stuff works great and is environmental friendly.  Also I
>use Valvoline 10w 40.
>
>happy oldsmobiling
>mike fisher

I make it a rule to never use anything that is "Environmentally Friendly".
 WAKE UP!, this is the same bunch of panty-waists that want to crush your
"Clunker"  Ed   Escape442@aol.com  ( trashing the planet as fast as I can! )


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From: CBQ9911@aol.com
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:30:43 -0400
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Mirrors

 Hi everyone,
 I just joined yesterday when Isaw the address in JWO. I can't believe the
amount of mail, the volume is more than the slot car list I'm on. As far as
the movie car goes, I think it's a replica of a Porsche Speedster, mid to
late fifties. Usually they blow up replicas instead of the real thing. If it
is a kit car, does that mean there could be repro mirrors available?



 Doug Gilbert




























 Roscoe, Il
 67 442 coupe

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:33:00 -0400
Subject: Kathy Mattea swaps a Rocket 455 into a  Ford Thunderturd

I checked out http://www.mattea.com/rocket.html for details on the
much-talked about Kathy Mattea song.    This page shows what looks like
stills from the video.  Displayed above (sacrilege) the 455 Rocket air
cleaner decal is a picture of a Ford Thunderbird.  Using a Ford
Thunderbird for a video about a 455 Rocket soured me on the whole thing.
 Maybe Kathy never owned/drove/thrashed an Oldsmobile, but instead
preferred engine swapping into her pet Ford?  I find it hard to believe
that there were absolutely no Oldsmobiles available for this video.  I
hope Kathy and the people writing the song were not the ones involved in
producing the video, or else the whole project smacks of phony
commercialism.  This video is the ultimate Ford owner's revenge!!

IMHO, the only music groups that deserve credit for Oldsmobile usage are
Chicago for their "Stay The Night" video (now THAT'S how to drive an
Olds) and Anthrax (http://www.fanbase.com/anthrax/index.html - - look
under parafanalia (sic)) for their "Stomp 442" T-shirts (I gotta get me
one of those).

Scott Mullen
'70 442 (One of the many original homes for a 455 Rocket)

P.S. Kathy can use my car for her video if she pays for the gas.  I have
a mid-seventies Ford LTD dome light in my 442 (I like the individually
switched map lights) which should satisfy the video producers.  Goodness
knows they don't care about anything Olds-related.

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 08:46:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Flames

I said:

> > Adams was a brewer!  No, wait, that was his brother, Samuel... :)

Bama Bill corrected me:  -- Sorry, forgot my history.  I remember now!

> Cousin.

Bill, ain't everyone in 'Bama everyone else's cousin?  Wives included? :)

> PS. We haven't lost.  Isn't this half time?

Game over, Man!!

But you got the consolation prize; I mean, don't they build Bimmers
and/or Mercedes in Bama?  :) :)



Tim ("Lived in Bama for 3 Years and Lived to Tell About it") Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:04:21 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

> If you are willing to pay for this gentlemen's new top, then feel free to
> recommend Bleech-White.  As I posted earlier, this stuff is deadly to vinyl.
>  I ruined a tonneau cover with Bleech -White. It dried and cracked like an
> old lady's face!   Ed    Escape442@aol.com

With *any* cleaner, it's advisable to treat the vinyl afterward with some kind
of protectant.

I have not used Bleech-White on a convertible top -- when I had a white top
on a car, I opted for what I found around the house (Read:  Poor college kid);
but I've since used it on other vinyl products, treating them with Armor-All
and such afterward, and haven't seen them dry out and crack.




Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:12:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Kathy Mattea swaps a Rocket 455 into a Ford Thunderturd

I haven't seen the video yet but did visit the web site and saw the
aforementioned T-bird. It's an animated image at the top of the web page.
The stills from the video that are there *do* show an Olds though, what looks
to be a '59.

I dropped a note to their webmaster pointing out the sacrilege ;-) and
directing them to Bryceman's page for some Olds images. Told them about
us too, said we were all abuzz with excitement ;-) and suggested a note
to the list from Kathy might soothe our feelings. Don't hold your breath
though...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 09:13:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Cornball Humor (Non Olds)

> Tom, If you enjoy those two clowns, then more power to ya! I don't think
> those guys could find their ass  with both hands.

This from a guy who personally chastised me for making less than
complimentary comments about DeLorean... sheesh!  What a hypocrite!

>  I really enjoy "The Jerky Boys", now there's real humor!  You should tune
in > to "On the Road", that guy is awesome.  At least his show survives in the 
>
commercial market, not on taxpayer funds.   Ed   Escape442@aol.com

I think the few million spent are one of the very few things my tax $$$
go towards that is worth anything... of course, being into a coupla
immature would-be comedians whose whole gimmick is making obscene prank
phone calls, you wouldn't understand.



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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