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oldsmobile-digest         Friday, 28 February 1997      Volume 01 : Number 542

Re: Crank swap
Re: Vapor lock
Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?
Intake parts avalability?
Question: 1993 Cutlass Dash Lights Cutting Out
Re: Model colors
Chevy vs. GMC Trucks
Re: Model colors -Reply
Re: Model colors -Reply
Intake parts avalability?
Re: 1982 cutlass calais 442
Re: How do I know
Hood wanted
Re: Crank swap
Re: 200-4R
Re: Crank swap
Engine colors
Re: Crank swap
Re: Engine colors
Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?
Fwd: OLDS
Re: Model colors
Re: tire rotation
Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?
Re: How do I know
Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?
Re: Engine colors
Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?
Re: Engine colors
Re: BOP Swap Meet
[none]
Re: Junkyard 1970 Cutlass S...was a '72.
Re: Chevy vs. GMC Trucks
Re: 70' 442-W30
Re: 70' 442-W30
Re: Model colors
Re: Need Positraction
Re: Powerglides
Re:  Chevy vs. GMC trucks
Re: many thanks
RE: 1970 Cutlass S
350 to 330 engine swap
Re: Chevy vs. GMC Trucks
RE: High RPM Stress con'd:  Turbo Backpressure
RE: olds service manuals -Reply
Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?
RE: Adjustable Valves
1970 442 W-30 Convertible 4-sale
Re: 68 Conv. Power Locks?
Wes Fujii
Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?
Olds in MCR
C Heads
Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?
Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?
'79 Cutlass Supreme Grill
Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows? (Second request)
Re: '79 Cutlass Supreme Grill
RE: Head Shops
Re: well, we've been seeing some "interchangibility"...
RE: olds list membership registry.
RE: olds service manuals -Reply
Re: High RPM Stress con'd: Turbo Backpressure: Scottie
RE: olds service manuals
Re: Head Shops
Re: cam specs
Re: Parts for sale
Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?
Re: cam specs
Re: Head Shops
Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?
RE: 79 Cutlass Grill
Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?
Olds V-8's with Rocker Shafts
50's Oldsmobile lists?

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:20:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Crank swap

At 09:37 PM 2/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>  I think the only difference between the 330 crank and the 350 crank is the
>>vibration dampner/harmonic balancer
>
>Really?  I put a harmonic balancer from a junkyard '67 330 on my 350 a year
>and a half ago when I did the main and rod bearings, because the old one on
>my 350 was coming apart.  I had to get one in a hurry (only had the weekend
>to work on the car), and all I could find was that one.  Will it cause harm
>to my engine?
>
>--
>Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
>Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
>dpauliso@gate.net
>
>
>
Obviously you've run it for a while now, and if it were not reasonably close
to compatable to the original on the 330 it most likely would have caused
trouble by now.

Ok guys, with parts books of the era.  Is the part number different between
a 330 and a 350 harmonic balancer?

The Wiz

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:19:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Vapor lock

> I think that braided hoses can do wonders in high stress applications
like
> hot spots.  The brade will tend to disapate(sp) the head, and the rubber
> underneath will act as a better insulator than a plain metal tube.  Also
> they are much harder to damage than either a plain steel or copper tube;
or
> a plain rubber fuel hose.  Maybe the best of all worlds, save they are
also
> several times as expensive.
>
> The Wiz
Not to mention they sure do look cool : )
Walter

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:23:16 -0400
Subject: Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?

 Here is the info on Olds clubs

     OLDSMOBILE CLUB OF AMERICA
     PO BOX 80318
     LANSING, MI. 48908

Membership dues are $30.00 a year or $55.00 for two years

The Starfire Chapter

           STARFIRE/JETSTAR 1
           12 NORTH SHORE BOULEVARD
            HELMETTA, N.J. 08828

Membership in the Olds Club is required  dues are $6.00 a year.


Everett Horton

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:31:16 -0400
Subject: Intake parts avalability?

I recently had my motor rebuilt, and it returned all nice and gloss GM
blue (correct color).  But the machine shop said that they couldn't get
the vaccum fittings out of the intake manifold.  They were sized in
there and the only way to get them out may break them.  They were
worried that these parts are no longer avalable.
	Where can I find the vaccum fittings for a '70 455 intake manifold?
	I need ALL vaccum fittings, I have all vaccum accessories.
Thanks
Brad
'70 442

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From: Brad Nicholson <76062.3042@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:29:18 -0400
Subject: Question: 1993 Cutlass Dash Lights Cutting Out

All,
Here is another one for your collective mind to figure out.  Again it came
from Bryceman's 442 page of OCA chapters.  E-mail him direct, I don't believe
he is on the list but I sent him a message to
 ---   Brad Nicholson  OCA# 18984
| | |  1987 442 W-42
| | |  1994 Eighty Eight LSS
|/|\|  (h) 76062.3042@compuserve.com
| | |  (w) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
 ---   Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
***************************************************************
Sender: jbarker@mail.econo.net
To: 76062.3042@compuserve.com
Subject: Instrument cluster out
X-URL: http://www.cjnetworks.com/olds/ocachapters.html

Dear Brad,
We have a 93 olds cutless supreem.  While driving the lights went out on
the instrument cluster panel.  We thought it was a fuse but after
checking and replacing the fuses, which were not bad,we still had the
same problem.  The cluster panel lights stay on, showing fuel,
speedometer etc but go out upon starting the car.  If you can help us we
would appreciate it if not please forward this to anyone you think might
have a suggestion as to the problem.

Again thanks
Bill
 jbarker@mail.econo.net

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:31:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Model colors

on the 69 442 w-30 cars the engines were red all other 455 were blue just the
w-30 was red

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From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:35:09 -0400
Subject: Chevy vs. GMC Trucks

Yes, Chevy and GMC trucks are mechanically identical. Little trim
differences, but nothing else.  No extra insulation, etc.  At one time (up
until 1974), GMC produced its own V-6 engines (305 & 350 CID).  All other
mechanical gear the same with Chevy. I have a 1961 GMC Fleetside 1502
(Heavy 1/2 ton - 1/2 ton with 3/4 ton brakes, suspension, etc, also known
as Camper Special in later years) with 305 CID V-6

Steve Ochs - Mfg/Product Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - '97 Blazer LT, '87 442
'96 DCM Impala SS - Home plate delete, sewer pipe, Hypertech PP+,
K&N, drilled airbox, speakers, anti-theft, check valve, gages

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:37:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Model colors -Reply



   All W-30's in 69  were 455 and painted RED
   A   W-31 had the 350 painted  GOLD


Everett



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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:41:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Model colors -Reply

I guess I am corrected also

W-30 were 400 cid painted  bronze
W-31 were 350 painted gold
It was the H/O that had the RED 455

Thanks for setting us all straight


Everett

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From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:37:54 -0400
Subject: Intake parts avalability?

All the original fittings from the factory were brass.  If there not broken
just hit them with some fine sandpaper (600 grit) they will look shiny and
brand new.

Mike
66 442
69 H/0
70 w30
71 442 convt
___________________________________________________________________________

I recently had my motor rebuilt, and it returned all nice and gloss GM
blue (correct color).  But the machine shop said that they couldn't get
the vaccum fittings out of the intake manifold.  They were sized in
there and the only way to get them out may break them.  They were
worried that these parts are no longer avalable.
	Where can I find the vaccum fittings for a '70 455 intake manifold?
	I need ALL vaccum fittings, I have all vaccum accessories.
Thanks
Brad
'70 442



- ----- End Included Message -----

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:45:53 -0400
Subject: Re: 1982 cutlass calais 442

At 09:25 PM 2/27/97 -0400, Walter E. Peterson wrote:
>would like to know how many of thes model was made. i have had mine for 11
>years and it has 114k miles on it and  stll all original i would like to
>get as much info as i can on the number of 442 made in 1982
>
Well, there was no 442 made in 1982 according to every book I have ever
seen. 442 production stopped in 80 and then picked up again in 85. Tell us
more about your car: options, color, vin, cowl tag info. Maybe you have a
prototype? If that is the case it is one rare car. I don't know if there was
a 442 prototype made in 82? I know there was a prototype H/O made that year.

- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  f-list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28......Patriot Red, TFX cat-back, blackouts, Firehawk SVX tires
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30..http://www.442.com/labay.html

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:50:31 -0400
Subject: Re: How do I know

Danny
 I have a 72 Supreme 2dr 350 4bbl A/C powerdisks bucket seats hoodlock option
with Three Speed manual transmission on the column is this rare or what
 can you find out how many of these were built?

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:56:07 -0400
Subject: Hood wanted

I got this request from an Olds owner in need - see if anyone can help him
out here,

Message:  Hello, I am looking for a 1970 w-30 or Ram-Air hood.  The hood I
currently
have is a 70' Ram-Air hood that is smashed in the front.  My preference is
the ram-air but a w-30 will also do just fine.  If yoou have any info on a
70' good used hood contact Matt at carll@brightok.net  Thanks!

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From: John Foster <jdfoster@n-link.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:11:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Crank swap

C.R.F. wrote:
>
> At 09:37 PM 2/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >>  I think the only difference between the 330 crank and the 350 crank is
the > >>vibration dampner/harmonic balancer > > > >Really?  I put a harmonic
balancer from a junkyard '67 330 on my 350 a year > >and a half ago when I did
the main and rod bearings, because the old one on > >my 350 was coming apart.
I had to get one in a hurry (only had the weekend > >to work on the car), and
all I could find was that one.  Will it cause harm > >to my engine? > > > >-- >
>Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme > >Melbourne,
Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS > >dpauliso@gate.net > > > > >
> > Obviously you've run it for a while now, and if it were not reasonably
close > to compatable to the original on the 330 it most likely would have
caused > trouble by now. > > Ok guys, with parts books of the era.  Is the
part number different between > a 330 and a 350 harmonic balancer? > > The
Wiz

Folks,

1965-1967 330 vibration Damper GM P/N 386350
1968-1970 350 L/air induct     GM P/N 398262
	      W/air induct     GM P/N 402962


1968-1969 350 Crankshaft       GM P/N 230376
1970	  350 Crankshaft       GM P/N 230905

Just some information I got out of a 1970 motors parts and labor manual.

			
				John Foster

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:06:41 -0400
Subject: Re: 200-4R

At 09:34 PM 2/27/97 -0400, theogns wrote:
>Jason Labay wrote:
>>
>> At 10:26 PM 2/26/97 -0400, prlmteed@idcnet.com wrote:
>> >Would a 200-4R stand up to a 455?
>>
>> Well if it can stand all the power from a GN Turbo Buick V6 I don't see why
>> not.....?
>
>For be it for me to spread dissent or start arguments...but, how much
>HP/torque does a b*ick t*rbo v6 put out compared to the 455 Olds?

I am not sure. Stock I think the torque is in the 300 range. I am just going
by two cars that I know of around me. One 87 GN runs 10.46@123 in the 1/4
with the only mod to the tranny being a shift kit, rest is stock internals.
Other is an 86 T-Type running 11.24@118, this on a totally stock tranny with
86,000 miles as of last summer. Those engines have to be putting out a good
amount of torque to post those e.t's and trap speeds. I don't know, I could
be totally off the mark it  has happened once before:)
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  f-list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30..http://www.442.com/labay.html
75 Hurst/Olds W-25

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:05:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Crank swap

- ----------
> From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Crank swap
> Date: Thursday, February 27, 1997 8:16 PM
>
> Dave Paulison wrote:
>
>
> The 330 stroke is 3.385 and the 350 is also 3.385. The question is
> whether the mains are the same size.
>
> My Clevite catalog shows the same rod and main bearings for the 260 gas,
307,330 second series (64-67) 350 and 403 the shaft diamater is 2.4985 -
2.4995 for the mains and 2.1238 - 2.1248  for the rods.It uses a MS 805P
main set and a CB 684P rod set.  It then shows a 330 early series (1964)
which has a shaft diamater of 2.4985 -2.4995 mains but it uses a MS 804 P
main set. It uses the same rod bearing as the others.
Acording to the AERA crankshaft manual the casting # on the 350 cranks will
be 230376, 390275, 393654, 398261, 418882, 556607, it doesnt give the # for
the 330 but it should be easy to spot since all steel cranks have a wide
parting line and cast have a thin one and a much more grainy texture to the
unmachined areas.The 403 crank is # 390275, 556607 and has a balance hole
in the !'st throw and a groove on the #1 counterweight.
Hope this helps Walter

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:10:36 -0400
Subject: Engine colors

ANTIQOLDS@aol.com wrote:

>on the 69 442 w-30 cars the engines were red all other 455 were blue just
the w-30 was red

AND:

>W-30 were 400 cid painted  bronze
>W-31 were 350 painted gold
>It was the H/O that had the RED 455

AND:

>All W-30's in 69 were 455 and painted RED
>A   W-31 had the 350 painted  GOLD

There appear to be a couple contradictions.  Did the 442 W-30 have a 400 or
455?  And was it red or blue or bronze?

- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: John Foster <jdfoster@n-link.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:24:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Crank swap

theogns wrote:
>
> Dave Paulison wrote:
> >
> > If a 330 crank is put in a 350, will the 350 still displace @350ci?  In
> > other words, is the 330 and 350 stroke the same?  How rare are the 330
> > cranks, and how do you identify one?
> >
> > Thanks
>
> The 330 stroke is 3.385 and the 350 is also 3.385. The question is
> whether the mains are the same size.
>
> Danny

Folks,

	The rods and main bearing part numbers are the same for the 330 and the
350 olds engines.

					John Foster

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:20:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Engine colors

I have been corrected

in 1969 all 442 had 400 cid with bronze paint
a w-30 was an additional option on a 442 so still the bronze 400cid

the H/O was limited production with a 455 RED

I was wrong earlier  sorry
Everett

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:20:31 -0400
Subject: Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?

In a message dated 97-02-27 16:42:33 EST, you write:

> Sounds like a good idea.  Does anyone have an address where I can
>  request more info?
>
>
>  Shaun R. Guillermin
>

Shaun

Oldsmobile Club of America
P.O. Box 80318
Lansing, MI  48908

Starfire/Jetstar I Chapter
2657 April Dawn Way
Gambrills, MD  21054

You must be an OCA member to be a chapter member.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:20:28 -0400
Subject: Fwd: OLDS

In a message dated 97-02-27 12:45:51 EST, JMarino959 writes:

> From:	JMarino959
>  To:	PHartlieb
>
>  Hello I'm looking any 64 to 73 olds in any condition.  At least the body
has
> very little rust.

Received the follow email today.  Please respond to this person directly, as
I don't beleive he's a list member... yet.

Paul
- ---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    OLDS
Date:    97-02-27 12:45:51 EST
From:    JMarino959
To:      PHartlieb

Hello I'm looking any 64 to 73 olds in any condition.  At least the body has
very little rust.

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:20:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Model colors

In a message dated 97-02-27 17:03:49 EST, you write:

> What were some body paint colors available for that year/model?  The decals
>  I have for the stripes are black, so I need a contrasting color.

Guess that depends on what you want to do with the interior.

>  What were the available interior colors?

Well, you're talking a bucket seat car, right?  Buckets were available in:

Antique White, with any exterior color

Gold, with Black, Sable, White, Topaz, Aztec Gold, Palomino Gold and Saffron
exterior colors

Red, with Black, White, Burgandy Mist, Platinum and Crimson exterior colors

Black, with any exterior color

Blue, with Black, White, Nassau Blue, Trophy Blue and Platinum exterior
colors

Paul

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From: "H. Karamanos" <hikara@u.washington.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:21:55 -0400
Subject: Re: tire rotation

with the linelock engaged on my '47 rocket 98 sedan the 255 rear tires are
rotating extremely fast and trying to decrease their diameter to macth
the 195 front tires which are not rotating at all.  I dont understand this
rotation stuff at all. does this mean the detroitlocker needs to be
replaced or the smokescreen needs to be replaced?

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:20:53 -0400
Subject: Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?

In a message dated 97-02-27 16:05:21 EST, you write:

>  interior shots show an electrical
>  switch above the primary and in front of the vent window crank. The switch
>  looks like a power window/door lock control: a double throw momentary
switch
>  with a bezel that matches the interior. Could it be power door locks? The
>  switches are only in the front.

I can't find any photos showing the position of the PDL switches on the
Cutlass models, although it sounds like this is what they have to be.  I
think is a pretty rare option on the Cutlasses, especially considering there
are no power windows.  I know the switches on my '72 would be located more
above the armrests, but i'm sure the '68s could be different.

Paul

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:38:32 -0400
Subject: Re: How do I know

ANTIQOLDS@aol.com wrote:
>
> Danny
>  I have a 72 Supreme 2dr 350 4bbl A/C powerdisks bucket seats hoodlock
option > with Three Speed manual transmission on the column is this rare or
what >  can you find out how many of these were built?

Three speeds on the column on any '70s GM A-bodies are rare. I will do
some digging cause all I have in front of me are 4-4-2 figures. I can
say that I've never seen one and I've seen a lot of Oldsmobiles. If I
had to guess I would say under 500 units.

Danny

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From: eichin@kitten.gen.ma.us (Mark W. Eichin)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 00:34:45 -0400
Subject: Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?

> the 1950's list i think it is a good idea, but what are the "cut off dates"

I've seen a lot of interest here in a 50's list; I've also seen a lot
of interest in an early 60's list, which would be different.  I may
run a 50's list (ie. 1950..1959) once I get some new hardware set up
here to host it. (and I figure out how to filter all the different
spellings of IV-IV-II ;-)

I think that even more than the year, a 50's car has a certain styling
that makes it distinct.  The look that, when people see you drive by,
says "hey, that's a 57 ch*vy!" [d'oh!]

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 23:51:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Engine colors

Dave Paulison wrote:
>
> ANTIQOLDS@aol.com wrote:
>
> >on the 69 442 w-30 cars the engines were red all other 455 were blue just
> the w-30 was red
>
> AND:
>
> >W-30 were 400 cid painted  bronze
> >W-31 were 350 painted gold
> >It was the H/O that had the RED 455
>
> AND:
>
> >All W-30's in 69 were 455 and painted RED
> >A   W-31 had the 350 painted  GOLD
>
> There appear to be a couple contradictions.  Did the 442 W-30 have a 400 or
> 455?  And was it red or blue or bronze?
>
> --
> Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
> dpauliso@gate.net

The '66-'69 W-30 had a 400 engine painted bronze. The Hurst Olds had the
455 (which had a W-30 air induction package) was painted red. I beleive
all 455s before 1970 were red. Our Tornado brethern could tell us about
the FWD colors. The W-31 being a 350 was, is, and will be Gold. Except
those late seventies which were GM corporate blue.

Danny

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 19:00:49 -0400
Subject: Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?

Ray Moriarty wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm hoping someone can help me answer a couple of questions. Did the 68 442
> Convertable have a power windows option? If so, did a car equipped with that
> option also have the hand cranks?
>
> TIA,
> Ray
> 34467x

Ray,

My '68 442 convertible has power windows.  They take the place of the
crank system.  They are interchangeable, but the 2 don't exist on the
same car at the same time.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 02:00:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Engine colors

  Just purely out of curiosity -- which small block Olds engines were painted
dark blue??  I've found lots of non EGR olds intakes and stuff in the
junkyards that were painted dark blue.  And also what is the bronze color???
i don't think ive ever seen it.
  I just finished painting the 455 i am installing in my Olds Cadillac gold
and the intake manifold,  water pump, filler tube, and other accessories semi
gloss black.

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 04:51:22 -0400
Subject: Re: BOP Swap Meet

This is too far from home for me, but if there is ever one on the West
Coast, I'll be there.  Thanks for notifying me.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 05:06:05 -0400
Subject: [none]

You never replied about the owners manual & warranty card Jeff said were in
the V-C, do you have still?

Thanks!

Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 05:06:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Junkyard 1970 Cutlass S...was a '72.

On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Scott R Clark wrote:

> set of SS wheels (15" if I remember correctly) with all the center caps
> and trim rings.  The meatball at the parts counter swears that they are
> the original wheels for the car, but I've hear that 15" wheels were'nt
> available until the mid-70s.  Either way, he wants $30 a wheel.  With some

    If these have bolt-on center caps and are 15" rims, I'll take them.

    Apologies for wasting list-width on this, but Scott's email wasn't in
his message.  8^)

> 				Scott
> 			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 05:18:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Chevy vs. GMC Trucks

>Yes, Chevy and GMC trucks are mechanically identical.


Steve, I was hoping you'd pop in here with a response, I figured you'd know
better than anyone...  Bummer, tho' -- I guess I'll have to stop telling
everyone about those extra eight hours...  I sure liked the line about the
quality tests, though:)  I may have to keep ~that~ one around just for kicks!


Anyone have any thoughts or ideas about the diesel versions of the 4L80
Tranny?  Might they bolt up to our Olds's?  Just a reminder, 'cuz I hadn't
seen it addressed yet...


>Steve Ochs - Mfg/Product Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
>Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - '97 Blazer LT, '87 442
>'96 DCM Impala SS - Home plate delete, sewer pipe, Hypertech PP+,
>K&N, drilled airbox, speakers, anti-theft, check valve, gages
>
>

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

------------------------------

From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:20:15 -0400
Subject: Re: 70' 442-W30

On Feb 27,  6:22pm, Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com wrote:
> Subject: Re: 70' 442-W30
> From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
>
> >> Wes Fuji (whatever happened to him anyway?) once suggested I put
> >> 255's all around but I chickened out and put 245/60 15's on the front
> >> as I thought they might rub the wheel well or sway bar on tight turns.
> >> He had 255's all around on his '75 H/O.
>
> >  On my '70 W30 I have 265/50x15's on the front (and they don't
> >touch the wheel wells) and 295/50x15's on the back, all are mounted on 15x8
> >(PO5) rims made by Specialty Wheel in OR. With the 15's, the wheel wells
fill
> >up nicely and still give the car a nice stance.
>
> Yikes.  Now those are _tires_! :-)
>
> Do your custom rims have the same back spacing as the originals?
>
	Jeff -

		Yes, the spacing is "center offset" which pushed the wheels out
1/2". And yes I will be at the Centennial, I have 9 swap spots, the 442 will
be there under one of my tents.

		Mark


> Will you have this car at the Centennial?  I'd like to see it.
>
> -Jeff
> jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
>
> 1970  442  4-Speed
>
>-- End of excerpt from Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

------------------------------

From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:24:16 -0400
Subject: Re: 70' 442-W30

On Feb 27,  1:53pm, Clayton Pierce wrote:
> Subject: Re: 70' 442-W30
>
> On Thu, 27 Feb 1997, Mark Cornea (R) wrote:
> >
> > 	Jeff-
> > 		On my '70 W30 I have 265/50x15's on the front (and they 
don't
> > touch the wheel wells) and 295/50x15's on the back, all are mounted on
15x8 >                             ^^^^^^^^^^^ > Charist, I'd hate to guess
what you paid for those buggers!

	Clayton -

		They were around $150 each

			Mark


  I wonder if
> they'd fit on a G-body!  That's some serious tire!  I bet that you don't
> have too much of a problem with wheelspin at the stoplights.  Then again,
> it's an Olds, so maybe you do :-)
>
> I don't have an older 442, wish I did, but...
> I'm running 235/65/14's on the back and 215/65/14's on the front of my
> G-body Cutlass.  With the 350 swap though, the front end is a bit low to
> begin with, and I need to get some matching tires.  That would certainly
> help my braking ability.  Right now, my front end scrubs a bit on
> speed-bumps, and my back-end is slightly higher than stock!!!
>
> Clayton Pierce,
> zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
>
>
> > (PO5) rims made by Specialty Wheel in OR. With the 15's, the wheel wells
fill
> > up nicely and still give the car a nice stance.
> >
> >                                                        ___  ___
> >                                               /     /    / /  /
> >                                              / __  /  --/ /  /
> >        Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick /_/ /_/ ___/ /__/ Red
> >
> >              (MCORNEA@pt8244.pto.ford.com)
> >
> > > -Jeff
> > > jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
> > >
> > > 1970 442  4-Speed
> > > see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton
> > >
> > >-- End of excerpt from Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>-- End of excerpt from Clayton Pierce

------------------------------

From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:43:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Model colors

ANTIQOLDS@aol.com wrote:
>
> on the 69 442 w-30 cars the engines were red all other 455 were blue just
the > w-30 was red

I made a mistake in my reply (which has been corrected).
The 69 442 was bronze (400ci)
You are thinking of the 69 H/O which was red (455ci)

Kurt
71 442

------------------------------

From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 08:53:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Need Positraction

>         then again, doesn't every Olds need "posi-traction".  Here's the
scoop > on what lock those tires together for us Olds guys... > >
It's called "anti-spin" in the Olds terms.  Posi-traction is Chevy and >
Traction lock is Ford.  Same basic setup, but none interchangable. > Assuming
that you have a "12 bolt" rear end ('71 442= 455 + TH400 = 12 > bolt)

Sorry, wrong.
The '70 used a 12 bolt cover, but the '71 and '72 used 10 bolt covers.

Kurt
71 442

------------------------------

From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:07:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Powerglides

FWIW dept.  Powerglides have always been called Powerglides by GM.  They
are the transmission of choice for drag racers with light cars.  The
rule of thumb is anything under 3000 lbs.  They only use up 15hp to
operate, where TH350s use 25hp (approx.) and TH400s use even more.
There have been quite a few racers go faster with that two speed than
they ever did with a 3 speed.  I know of one who removed his four speed
manual and installed a Powerglide.  He went about a half second quicker
on our local 1/8 mile strip.  There is an abundance of aftermarket parts
available, to the point that you can build one without any GM parts.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:13:36 -0400
Subject: Re:  Chevy vs. GMC trucks

GMC and Ch*vy trucks are built on the same production lines.  The only
difference is GMCs are the good ones.  The rejects get the bowtie
emblem.  Kind if like the scarlet letter for trucks.

I can see smoke coming from the ch*vy truck owners ears already.  Just
kidding guys, I could not pass up the cheap shot.
	
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2
and a GMC

------------------------------

From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:24:36 -0400
Subject: Re: many thanks

> I've been trying to sell that car for 4 years now, and I can't even
> get anyone to come and look at it.  I advertise in the Dallas paper,
> the Ft. Worth paper, and even the Auto Trader, and I get NO calls at
> all (yes, I have the right number in the add..hehe).  The one or two
> calls I get ask if it's a 2 dr or a 4 dr, and when I say "it's a 4 door
> hardtop..no door post pillers", they say "gee, too bad it's not a 2
> door...bye".  Even when I advertised it at only $2500, I got no calls
> at all.  I thought that was a fair price for a #3.5 car with 50K miles
> on it at the time.

That is a shame.  Call me bizarre, but I always liked 4 door hardtops;
you just open all the windows and you have openings six feet wide on both
sides of the car.  I had a '66 Catalina 4 door hardtop for the summer -- until
I got a rag top and gave it to my sister (Whadda mistake, it was driven into
the ground in 6 mos. :P) -- and it was the official 'staff car' amongst me
pals. Very low miles, ran like a top.  My dad acquired from -- are you ready
for this? -- a lobstahman.  And yes, he used it to haul around product. On
warm days (and it was a hot summer in 1978) the car, umm, smelled like the
tide went out.  Nothing that a shot of Ozium couldn't cure though... Anyways,
if I had the room, I'd be very interested in a low miles 4 door h.t. But as
I've said in an earlier post, I might as well bring a blonde home as another
project car; I'd get the same reaction :)

> Yes, old 4 doors make great family crusiers, but remember that if you
> ever get to be single again, they make lousy "chick magnets", and
> unless you stole it to begin with, you'll lose money or be keeping it
> for a very long time

I'm not too worried about this scenario, I'm actually happily married; plus,
I'd never be able to afford being single, the lawyers would take it all :)

To conclude, it's a shame folks feel that way about 4 doors though...
what ultimate cruisers to the beach, or better yet, the Drive-In!!! :)



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: Harry Lorencic <hlorencic@alpo.casc.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:25:51 -0400
Subject: RE: 1970 Cutlass S

- ----------
From: 	theogns[SMTP:theogns@avana.net]
Subject: 	Re: 1970 Cutlass S

Gerald Hughes wrote:
>
> Hey Fellow Olds Techies,
>         What does the "S" mean in a 1970 Oldsmobile Cutlass S?  Is it better
or > worse than a plain jane Cutlass. > The Cutlass S stands for Sport. In
1970 there were two forms of Cutlass.

Danny

Gee, that means my '70 post (Sport Coupe) Cutlass S is really
a '70 Cutlass Sport Sport Coupe! :)

- -Harry



------------------------------------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: katana72@juno.com (Robert F Turner)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:32:17 -0400
Subject: 350 to 330 engine swap

I put a 330 motor in my 72 Cutlass  S. As you ALL know, the 72 had either
a 350 or a 455 motor. While doing this swap my experiences were that the
330/350 block are identical. The PROBLEMS I ran into were that the 330
water pump shaft is shorter than the 350, so the pulleys wouldn't line
upI purchased a 350 water pump and installed that. Problem solved. The
flex plate wouldn't work, so a trip to the junk yard was in order. My
objective was to find a flex plate for a 330/425 motor. That flexplate
worked just fine (it did come off of a 425 motor). Other than that I had
no other problems. I suppose that if a person were to install a 350 motor
in a 330 motor car, the water pump would have to be from a 330 and the
flex plate would have to be from a 350/ 455(?). All of my other accessory
brackets fit well for the 350 application, so, again, if reversing this
procedure, you may want to use the 330 brackets,etc. If anyone has any
questions, e-mail me. I will respond on this matter within couple of
days.

Rob Turner
Katana72@Juno.com    It's NOT your Daddy's Oldsmobile!!!!   Hastings, MN

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:29:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Chevy vs. GMC Trucks

- ----------
> Anyone have any thoughts or ideas about the diesel versions of the 4L80
> Tranny?  Might they bolt up to our Olds's?  Just a reminder, 'cuz I
hadn't
> seen it addressed yet...
> The 6.2 and 6.5  diesel's have the chevy bolt pattern so unless they had
a dual patern on the 4L80 it won't fit.
Walter

------------------------------

From: Frank Boerger <FBoerger@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 09:40:48 -0400
Subject: RE: High RPM Stress con'd:  Turbo Backpressure

>so in my opinion a turbocharger doesn't take any hp to make hp, any hp
>losses
>at low rpm wouldn't be noticable or measurable if the system was built
>right.

I think a turbo has to require energy to spin, taking it from the "heat" of
the exhaust gases.  It just allows the engine to "make" more hp than it
costs in losses, right ?  Otherwise, we need to be re-writing the laws of
physics, Scottie  !!  Conservation of energy and all that.

Digest Frank Boerger//Tallahassee//FL


------------------------------

From: Frank Boerger <FBoerger@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:10:56 -0400
Subject: RE: olds service manuals -Reply

I bought both shop manual and Fisher Body book (originals) for my '68.  The
assembly manual was available only in reprint (photocopy) form (but I
boouoght it any way.)  I called Helm first, and they said that they didn't
have that year of Olds.  They recommended Faxon's Auto Literature.  Nice
folks, the shop manual was $ 90. (Ouch !), but great information and full
of color schematics for electrical and vacuum.  So I bought 'em all !

Digest Frank Boerger//Tallahassee//FL

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 04:24:21 -0400
Subject: Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?

PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-02-27 16:05:21 EST, you write:
>
> >  interior shots show an electrical
> >  switch above the primary and in front of the vent window crank. The
switch > >  looks like a power window/door lock control: a double throw
momentary > switch > >  with a bezel that matches the interior. Could it be
power door locks? The > >  switches are only in the front. > > I can't find
any photos showing the position of the PDL switches on the > Cutlass models,
although it sounds like this is what they have to be.  I > think is a pretty
rare option on the Cutlasses, especially considering there > are no power
windows.  I know the switches on my '72 would be located more > above the
armrests, but i'm sure the '68s could be different. > > Paul

Paul,

'68 PDLs are vacuum & the switch is in about the same place as the later
electrics - above the arm rest.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "Guillermo Santucci" <San2cci@msn.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 1997 10:36:05 -0400
Subject: RE: Adjustable Valves

Dave Smith sells 3 adjustable valvetrains for your engine.  Priced between 125
 to 375 depending if you want full rollers or not.  Competition engineering
also makes a steel roller tipped rocker for a good price.  I'm running both
sets in two different engines and am very pleased with them.  You can reach
Dave Smith at (909)371-7012 or call Summit racing for the other set at
(330)630-0230

------------------------------

From: "Tracey Cleeton" <tcleeton@mcmsys.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:49:13 -0400
Subject: 1970 442 W-30 Convertible 4-sale

I posted earlier concerning a 1970 442 W-30 Convert. for sale...I just
wanted to give anyone who is interested a phone # to call to reach the
owner....

(816)263-7744, this is a restaurant that he owns so he is there 24/7
ask for Cleet.

You can also email me any ?'s you might have, and I will pass them along as
well..

Thanks again

T Cleeton
tcleeton@mcmsys.com

------------------------------

From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:58:34 -0400
Subject: Re: 68 Conv. Power Locks?

Everett (ANITQOLDS@aol.com) wrote:

> 68 cutlass did not offer power door locks 69 was the first year and
> they were vacuum operated
>
> Everett

*******

Thanks Everett.  I didn't know how to answer the questions about this
from Ray and Chris since I have no recollection of a power lock
option for the 442 I bought in '68.  I guess you've answered why I
have no recollection on this too.  Glad you were here to answer this.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 10:46:11 -0400
Subject: Wes Fujii

Just FYI, Wes may be off our list these days but DejaNews found
him right away. You can reach him at wesf@boi.hp.com via email,
and he's posting all over the place in Usenet.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:02:06 -0400
Subject: Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?

Chris Sparks (sparks@aisf.com) wrote:

> Would it be possible to convert the four primary windows from
> crank to electric?
>
> Chris Sparks

******

Chris,

I'm sure that it's possible, but I don't know all of the pieces which
will need to be changed and/or added.  Hopefully someone else here
has firsthand experience with this, and can provide a better answer
for you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

------------------------------

From: Jon442@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:09:15 -0400
Subject: Olds in MCR

Just got my latest issue of MuscleCar Review, and Olds took 2 of the ten
spots for Best Musclecar, as judged by the readers of the magazine. A Chevy
was first, of course, but at least it was an LS6 Chevelle, and not a Camaro.
The '70 W30 took second place, and the '69 H/O took ninth. I didn't think
Olds would be on the list at all, so it was a nice surprise placing twice!

Jon Wessel

------------------------------

From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@cadvansys.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:26:50 -0400
Subject: C Heads

Attention!

	I have available C Heads for a 455.   Need to be redone.  Asking $150.
E-Mail me for more info or other concerns.

						Gerald Hughes

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:23:07 -0400
Subject: Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?

Bill,

> My '68 442 convertible has power windows.  They take the place of the
> crank system.  They are interchangeable, but the 2 don't exist on the
> same car at the same time.

Just the 4 main windows are powered?  Not the vent windows, right?
Or do convertibles have vent windows?

Chris Sparks

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:33:10 -0400
Subject: Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?

At 11:02 AM 2/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Chris Sparks (sparks@aisf.com) wrote:
>
>> Would it be possible to convert the four primary windows from
>> crank to electric?
>>
>> Chris Sparks
>
>******
>
>Chris,
>
>I'm sure that it's possible, but I don't know all of the pieces which
>will need to be changed and/or added.  Hopefully someone else here
>has firsthand experience with this, and can provide a better answer
>for you.
>
>          ===
>+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
>|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
>|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
>|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
>|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
>+==================================================+
>
>
Chris,

I'll get you started.

Axiom: It is quite likely that the wiring harness already has the primary
wiring in place.

1. You will need four sets of electric motors.  They may be adapatable to
the original lift mechanisms, or they may not.

1a. If they are not, then you need four power window lift mechanisms.

2. You will need new upholstery panels without the hole for the handle.

3. You will need the four switches.  The drivers door has one that works all
the windows so it is special.  Also you will probably need pigtails to
connect the motors, wiring harness and switches together.

4. On my Delta 88 the power switches are in the arm rests, so you will need
four new armrests with holes for the switches.

5. You will need to determine the circuitry thru the fuze box.  There
probably is a unused fuze position, or possibly (but probably only a rarely
possiblity) it shares a fuze with some other accessories, and this will
become part of the your fuze box search.

This is a start.  I'm sure you will there are some other aspects that I
didn't think about this morning, it's still to early to think much.  And
additional answers should be forthcoming.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@cadvansys.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:31:07 -0400
Subject: '79 Cutlass Supreme Grill

Does anyone have the front grill of a 1979 Cutlass Supreme in good
condition?  What would be your asking price?

						Gerald Hughes

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:33:44 -0400
Subject: Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows? (Second request)

Would it be possible to convert the four primary windows from a crank
system to an electric one?

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:51:16 -0400
Subject: Re: '79 Cutlass Supreme Grill

On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Gerald Hughes wrote:

> Does anyone have the front grill of a 1979 Cutlass Supreme in good
> condition?  What would be your asking price?
>
> 						Gerald Hughes
>

They are not easy to find.. I would suggest Halls Auto Salvage in Kansas

Good luck
Al Varhus

  http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html



------------------------------

From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 11:57:12 -0400
Subject: RE: Head Shops

Can anyone recommend any good shops in the midwest that have experience
with olds heads ?

Al


  http://www.infinet.com/~avar



------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 04:44:16 -0400
Subject: Re: well, we've been seeing some "interchangibility"...

     AFAIK, _Everything_ except the pistons should swap across.  Unless
     it's an '85-up 307 with the roller lifters, then you won't want to use
     the heads, intake, and exhaust manifolds.

     IMHO, you're better off using as many 350 parts as you can.  The only
     parts I could see using off of the 307 would be the intake (if the 350
     is only a 2bbl) and maybe the heads for higher compression.  Although
     the stock heads from a 307 may not flow as well as stock '72 heads.

     Tom Lentz,
     Who's debating whether he wants to chance using a car wash on his baby
     since he has a hot date tonight. . .
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: well, we've been seeing some
"interchangibility"... Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:
2/27/97 6:50 PM


we saw some interchangiS]P;billbility with cranks, can you tell me
what parts off of a 307 olds motor can go onto a 350 olds motor?

the 307 motor is from the mid 1980's
the 350 is from 1972.   thanks in advance.
- --jj


------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 12:57:41 -0400
Subject: RE: olds list membership registry.

Hello Oldsnuts,

Mike Evans, et al,

If you've filled out the form for the membership registry, but have not
been added yet, its because I've sort of put aside the registry while I'm
helping David Brown editing the Olds FAQ. 3.0.  I'll see if I can get some
of the info that I've got stored on disk online next week.  As for the
FAQ, we are about done and, well, its BIIIIIG, it's in HTML, and I know a
few mechanics and junkyard owners locally that would KILL for a copy! :-)

As I said though, I'll try to do a bit of an update on the registry next
week!

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:05:22 -0400
Subject: RE: olds service manuals -Reply

Sometimes you can just find somebody whose got a couple of them that will
sell one.  I just bought a '68 Olds chassis manual for $20 from somebody
who had an extra.  It is not a reprint.  Gosh, now all I need to do is buy
a '68 442 or Toro to go along with it :-).  You might check the junkyard
sometime too.  It is doubtful you will find anything there, but one time I
got a '72 Ford factory service manual in perfect shape out of the back of
an old station wagon.  Paid something like 2 or 3 bucks for it!

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Frank Boerger wrote:

> I bought both shop manual and Fisher Body book (originals) for my '68.  The
> assembly manual was available only in reprint (photocopy) form (but I
> boouoght it any way.)  I called Helm first, and they said that they didn't
> have that year of Olds.  They recommended Faxon's Auto Literature.  Nice
> folks, the shop manual was $ 90. (Ouch !), but great information and full
> of color schematics for electrical and vacuum.  So I bought 'em all !
>
> Digest Frank Boerger//Tallahassee//FL
>
>
>

------------------------------

From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:06:24 -0400
Subject: Re: High RPM Stress con'd: Turbo Backpressure: Scottie

Jeeze Louise ---  No kidding, really??? --- The energy utilised by the turbo
is waste heat from the engine and not taken from the crankshaft as the source
of the energy used to drive the turbo.

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From: "R.B. Short" <rbshort@barnessmithlewis.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:05:56 -0400
Subject: RE: olds service manuals

    I've had good luck with Al Sandy. Also, look in Hemmings for guys =
like Walter Miller, who deal in literature. They'll have original =
owners' manuals, shop manuals, etc. Just compare prices.
    A shop manual is the first thing I buy when I latch onto a "new" old =
car ( or even a new-new car, assuming that ever happens).

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From: 	ANTIQOLDS@aol.com[SMTP:ANTIQOLDS@aol.com]
Sent: 	Thursday, February 27, 1997 9:17 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Re: olds service manuals

There is a guy in New Jersey that is one of largest dealers in just Olds
material
His name is Al Sandy 1-609-858-0248  fax609-869-3187.=20
  I'v kown Al for years and he is very reputable

Everett Horton

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 13:10:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Head Shops

I know of a head shop in Terre Haute IN that is run by old heads for all
heads.  They sell albums and posters and other items of interest.

Woops, wait a minute, I just re-read your question.  Check out Indy
Cylinder Head in Indianapolis.  Telephone # 317-862-3724
Some of their work has been featured in a couple of the BIG magazines.
I am told they have a good reputation also.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: Death <dldeathe@mail.pittstate.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:09:45 -0400
Subject: Re: cam specs


> 325 hp 350 -- .474" intake and exhaust lift -- 308 degrees intake duration
-- > 308 degrees exhaust duration -- 113 degree lobe centers.


Is this duration at .050 lift? or an advertised duration?

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From: Dan Bennett <DBennett@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:09:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Parts for sale

Dan Miller wrote:
>
> ----------
> From:   oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca on behalf of James & Joanne Chermack
> Sent:   Sunday, February 23, 1997 9:49 PM
> To:     oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject:        Re: Parts for sale
>
> Hi there again!!,
>
>        Want to know about the ' 67 wheel covers. If they are good I would
love > to buy them!!! Send me some info at: > >
dsm137@gti.net > >                                 Thanks ,Dan.


Dan, that '67 I located in the junk yard has a complete set of
wheel covers available.  Let me know.
- --
Dan Bennett
'72 Cutlass Supreme

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:34:46 -0400
Subject: Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?

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> From: Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) <sparks@aisf.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 68 Conv. Power Windows?
> Date: Friday, February 28, 1997 9:23 AM
>
> Bill,
>
> > My '68 442 convertible has power windows.  They take the place of the
> > crank system.  They are interchangeable, but the 2 don't exist on the
> > same car at the same time.
>
> Just the 4 main windows are powered?  Not the vent windows, right?
> Or do convertibles have vent windows?
> MY 66 has vent windows
Walter
>

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:40:54 -0400
Subject: Re: cam specs

- ----------
> From: Death <dldeathe@mail.pittstate.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: cam specs
> Date: Friday, February 28, 1997 12:09 PM
>
>
> > 325 hp 350 -- .474" intake and exhaust lift -- 308 degrees intake
duration --
> > 308 degrees exhaust duration -- 113 degree lobe centers.
>
>
> Is this duration at .050 lift? or an advertised duration?
> Advertised. If it was at .050 you couldn't run it on the street in fact I
dont think  I have ever seen a cam with 300+ duration at .050
>

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:43:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Head Shops

In a message dated 97-02-28 11:04:54 EST, you write:

<< Can anyone recommend any good shops in the midwest that have experience
 with olds heads ?

 Al
  >>
Yes i can, a fella by the name of Vance Brady.  He use to be partners with
past Pro Stock Racing Champ  Warren Johnson.  Mr Brady use to do his heads.
He isnt expensive, and very helpful.  He lives in Allen Park Mi and his
number
is 313 928-7108.  He is featured in some late 60 and early 70 car magazines
of his head work he done on race and street cars. Brady also has done my
heads and about 20 of my other friends heads. His exclusive is Olds, but he
does even the other makes on request.  This man is full of knowledge and
still good friends with
Dale Smith (the man at Olds who influenced performance)

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:46:44 -0400
Subject: Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?

> > the 1950's list i think it is a good idea, but what are the "cut off
dates" > > I've seen a lot of interest here in a 50's list; I've also seen a
lot > of interest in an early 60's list, which would be different.  I may >
run a 50's list (ie. 1950..1959) > > I think that even more than the year, a
50's car has a certain styling > that makes it distinct.  The look that, when
people see you drive by, > says "hey, that's a 57 ch*vy!" [d'oh!]

	For whatever it's worth, I would suggest that a the list be
extended to 1960, since the '59s and '60s were virtually identical under
the skin.  (and I'm sure it's equally impossible to find parts for them)
It was 1961 that GM had one of it's major overhauls. And
besides, the '60s have thoes cool horozontal fins that look "oh so 50s" :)

				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 14:54:04 -0400
Subject: RE: 79 Cutlass Grill

Would the person who was needing the '79 Cutlass Grill contact me, I think
I might know where one is for him.  I don't have one myself, but I've got
a friend who I think has like 5 extra!

Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:04:24 -0400
Subject: Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?

On Fri, 28 Feb 1997, Scott R Clark wrote:
> 	For whatever it's worth, I would suggest that a the list be
> extended to 1960, since the '59s and '60s were virtually identical under
> the skin.  (and I'm sure it's equally impossible to find parts for them)
> It was 1961 that GM had one of it's major overhauls. And
> besides, the '60s have thoes cool horozontal fins that look "oh so 50s" :)

How about a pre- 65 Oldsmobile list?
This would include the entire pre rocket era, and the entire period during
which the original Rocket engines were available.

Just my opinion.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:21:31 -0400
Subject: Olds V-8's with Rocker Shafts

<<Well, the first years of the 330's and 425's (and 400's too, I'd suppose)
had shaft-mounted rockers rather than individual pedestal-mounted rockers
like the later cars. >>

I believe that only the '64 330 used rocker shafts. I am quite sure that 66
up V-8's used stands.


Bob Handren        OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 15:21:28 -0400
Subject: 50's Oldsmobile lists?

My first car was a '56 88 post hardtop with a 324 2V, three on the tree and a
3.64 open rear. I inherited it from my father who had used it to visit
construction sites his architectural firm had designed.  It had 8,000 mile on
it when I got it. I was one _extremely_ happy 16 year old!

I drove it for almost 10 years.  I started modifying it in 1962, the summer I
graduated from college.  When I sold it to get my first _new_ car, a 65 442,
it had a Starfire 394 cid engine, Offehauser tricarb manifold with J-2 carbs,
a Caddy ambulance stick shift trans (a column shift version of the early
Cad-LaSalle trans - damn near bullet proof) with a Hurst shifter, Traction
Master bars (anybody remember those?) and the same 3.64 open rear. It was
nosed and decked with a dark blue paint.

The car ran high 14's at ~98mph and it weighed 4060 lbs without me in it!

I wish I still had it.  But I do still have my '67 442.

I saw a very similar one for sale in JWO a few months back. Oh how I wanted
one again but the facts of life about money, space and time made it
impossible.  I still have many fond memories of beating a bunch of very
embarassed Chevy, Ford and MoPar owners and that big bench seat was great for
drivein movies.  There was actually more room in the front seat of that 88
than the back. I tried. Hey, in my era, drivein movies were the only form of
sex education. :-)

Bob Handren        OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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