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oldsmobile-digest         Friday, 14 February 1997      Volume 01 : Number 518

Re: "Off Road" Waterpump
Seat interchange
Re: Seat interchange
Re: Olds Club
Re: Time Code
Re: 68 Sport Steering Wheel
Re: Olds Club
Re: Re[2]: Olds Club
Hood Hinges
Re: Trofeo
Re: Hood Hinges
Re: "Off Road" Waterpump
Re: Hood Hinges
Re: Time Code
ADMIN: Another Mailbomb  :(
Re: Re(2): Leaking Lena
Re: Anyone ever get their beast in a movie?
Re: Seat interchange
W41 vs VTEC
Re: Anyone ever get their beast in a movie?
Re: W41 vs VTEC
Re: The Meaning of 442
Re: 74 Hurst Olds. for sale
Re[4]: Olds Club
Re[2]: Olds Club
Re: Time on your hands
Re: Olds Club
Re: W41 vs VTEC
Re: Jar Lynon's brakes
Re: Anyone ever get their beast in a movie?
Build Sheet - Found!
Re: Olds DRCE
Re: Hood Hinges
Re: W41 vs VTEC
Rating Systems
Re: W41 vs VTEC
74 Toro
Re: W41 vs VTEC
Re: The Meaning of 442
Re: Re[2]: Olds Club
Armrest Q's (fwd)
Re: Rating Systems
Re: Armrest Q's (fwd)
Plug wire tip
Re: 74 Toro
Re: Wiring
Re: Plug wire tip
Re: Rating Systems
Re: W41 vs VTEC
Re: Re[2]: Olds Club
Re: Armrest Q's (fwd)
Re: The Meaning of 442
Re: W41 vs VTEC
Amazement
Re: Olds DRCE
Re: Amazement
Re[2]: Rating Systems
Re: Amazement
Carlisle (was Rating Systems)
Re: Rating Systems
Re: The Meaning of 442
Re: Amazement
Re: Build Sheet - Found!
Re: 74 Hurst Olds. for sale
Re: The Meaning of 442
Re: Rating Systems

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From: "Paul R. K. Kuromoto" <suntzu@ohana.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 20:09:18 -0400
Subject: Re: "Off Road" Waterpump

If I am not mistaken, an article on the DRCE says it takes standard BBC
accessories.

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From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 20:53:48 -0400
Subject: Seat interchange

Hi Gang,

Can anyone help me find out what front bench seats will interchange with my
1968 convertible 442?  Also I need interchange information for the back seat.

Thanks,
Bob
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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:17:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Seat interchange

At 08:53 PM 2/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi Gang,
>
>Can anyone help me find out what front bench seats will interchange with my
>1968 convertible 442?  Also I need interchange information for the back seat.
>
>Thanks,
>Bob

Bob

        Any A-body GM (LeMans, Skylark, Cutlass, Chevelle) will interchange.
As will alot of parts from these cars. Basically the entire underside of the
car will interchange. Remeber the rear seat is convertible only.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:25:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Club

In a message dated 97-02-13 11:45:56 EST, you write:

> The main thing you
>  receive is the monthly magazine, "Journey With Olds"...

In addition to everything else that Greg mentioned.  O.C.A. chapters hold
nationals hold national meets in different areas of the country from year to
year.  There isn't really one this year, 'cause we've all been invited to
Lansing by Oldsmobile Division.  '98 Nationals are in Springfield, IL and '99
Nationals are in Irving, TX.  For '00 I've been hearing New Jersey.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:25:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Time Code

In a message dated 97-02-13 10:26:29 EST, you write:

> 02D      C08                                  (02D = date code ?)   (C08 =
?)
>
>  *1 (E = Linden NJ) Why did they use the E and not BL as the format shows?
> Also
>  should the 1724 match my VIN which is 344870E158604
>

As someone else has already correctly pointed out, 02D is the 4th week of
February.  The C08 code is the option code for the vinyl top.  Can't give you
an answer about the E & BL thing.  My '72 manual shows Linden as BL, but not
for F-85 production.  My '67 manual shows the Linden plant as BL, but again
not for F-85 production.  And my '72 assembly manual doesn't show Linden as
as F-85 plant.  Strange...

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:24:48 -0400
Subject: Re: 68 Sport Steering Wheel

In a message dated 97-02-12 21:02:47 EST, you write:

>  The
>  only part that is uniquely Oldsmobile is the center emblem.  But good
>  news, the center emblem is exactly the same as the emblem used on the 70
>  and up Sport wheels.

These where still available thru GM Parts a few years ago.  They were not
listed for the Cutlass models, but they were listed for the Starfire.  Cost
was around $17.  This was maybe 1990 so none of this may be true anymore.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:25:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Club

In a message dated 97-02-13 18:46:17 EST, you write:

> In order to recieve "Setting the Pace", you needed to fill out a survey
>  that was in JWO sometime last year about the 100th year celebration in
>  August97.  No one knew the survey would get you the book, it was a
>  surprise.

Sorry, but I don't believe this is true.  I know of people in my local
chapter that did not complete the Centennial questionaire and they still
received the book.  This was done stricly by club rosters to the best of my
knowledge.  They checked rosters from 3 Olds clubs, that's a lot of people so
there were bound to be a few errors.  I think it would pay to check into this
further.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 21:25:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Olds Club

In a message dated 97-02-13 13:24:02 EST, you write:

> I was a member all last year (Jan-96 to Jan-97) and I have never
>       received my copy of Setting the Pace.  I ended my membership for
>       several reasons, not getting the book was part of it, but mostly
>       because I didn't think the magazine was worth it for me since I'm
>       mostly interested in later models.  I didn't get two issues of JWO,
>       but they did resend me the two issues after I let them know.

Did you contact anyone at O.C.A. or Olds about not getting your book?  Since
you've been missed on two issues of the magazine as well, this sounds like a
mail problem to me, not an O.C.A. problem.  I missed an issue a few years ago
and asked O.C.A. for a duplicate, which they sent promptly.  It came in an
envelope and there was no address label on the magazine itself, that's how I
knew it was the duplicate.  The original came in the mail 6 months later!  I
had a lot of trouble with the post office and the third class rate, so I
switched to first class.  No problems since.

Paul

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From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@INETWORLD.NET>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 19:10:15 -0400
Subject: Hood Hinges

I am looking for a set of hood hinges for my '68 442, mine seem to be
worn out (hood eases up at aft end).  I was also wondering if any other
year hinges fit on a '68, due to the limited distance of the '68 hood
hinges?

Thanks,
Chris Miller
'68 442
cya442@inetworld.net

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 22:47:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Trofeo

Frank,

   I have a 1990 Quad442 and I think it's a great car in every way.  Do
you know how of any ideas to squeeze more power out of the motor?  I know
that a better intake/exhaust setup and a different computer chip would
really wake the little motor up.  Do you know of anyone who makes a better
shifter for the 5-speed? Also, how does your W-41 stack up against such
things as turbo Mitsubishis, VTEC Hondas, etc.

                    Thanks!

On Wed, 12 Feb 1997, Frank Gonzalez wrote:

> > I love the Toronado Trofeo. 90,91,etc.  They seem to hold their value.
> > I wasn't overly impressed driving them, but they look awesome!  With
> > some work, (ie horsepower) what a rod they could make.
> >
> > Jeff.
> >         '91 Quad 442 W-41
> >         '70 442 Conv.
>
> I totally agree,I test drove a pearl white one with the touchscreen
> computer and heads up display ,it was the SH*T but it needed more power
> and better suspension.Had it had that I would have bought it.
> Frank
>
>

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From: OldsDr@aol.com
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 23:01:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Hood Hinges

due to the bolt pattern on the fenders ony 68 hinges fit on on a 68.  Unless
you have a replacement fender wichh has the threads in all five positions.
 The replacements were made universal for 68-69. I'm not sure if the distance
has an effect.
  This is second hand info,  from what I have seen it is correct.

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 23:12:43 -0400
Subject: Re: "Off Road" Waterpump

>Tom Lentz said:
>
>> Yeah, I figured that, but emissions from a water pump?!?  The way
>> I see it, a water pump is a water pump.  It either pumps enough
>> water to cool the engine and does it's job, or it doesn't and the
>> engine overheats.  There ain't a whole lot of leeway there. . .
>

The pump probably didn't get official approval from some type agency for
emissions. It is most likely a direct bolt up to a stock block and fine to
run on a street engine. Kinda like headers, some are 50 state legal, some
are for off road use only. The difference more  often than not is that the
off road ones didn't get a California C.A.R.B EO#.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28.....patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2, GSC,  currently bone stock
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30...white/gold..........3rd place '97 Cleveland Auto Rama

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 23:17:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Hood Hinges

At 07:10 PM 2/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I am looking for a set of hood hinges for my '68 442, mine seem to be
>worn out (hood eases up at aft end).  I was also wondering if any other
>year hinges fit on a '68, due to the limited distance of the '68 hood
>hinges?
>
>Thanks,
>Chris Miller
>'68 442
>cya442@inetworld.net
>

Chris,

        We just got a pair in. Let me see wht kind of shape they're in and
I'll get back to you.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442>

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 23:21:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Time Code

At 09:25 PM 2/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-02-13 10:26:29 EST, you write:
>
>> 02D      C08                                  (02D = date code ?)   (C08 =
>?)
>>
>>  *1 (E = Linden NJ) Why did they use the E and not BL as the format shows?
>> Also
>>  should the 1724 match my VIN which is 344870E158604
>>
>
>As someone else has already correctly pointed out, 02D is the 4th week of
>February.  The C08 code is the option code for the vinyl top.  Can't give you
>an answer about the E & BL thing.  My '72 manual shows Linden as BL, but not
>for F-85 production.  My '67 manual shows the Linden plant as BL, but again
>not for F-85 production.  And my '72 assembly manual doesn't show Linden as
>as F-85 plant.  Strange...
>
>Paul
>

Hi Guys,

        My 68, 69,and 70 service manuals DO show BL as Linden, NJ for F-85
production.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 23:48:35 -0400
Subject: ADMIN: Another Mailbomb  :(

Just to advise, someone sent a huge graphics file to the list earlier
tonight. Majordomo intercepted it for the real-time list members but the
digest folk got hit again. Wish I could find a way to get it to shield
them from this sort of thing. Anyway, the person responsible has been
advised of the transgression. Apologies on behalf of the list to all
inconvenienced by this.

Please, everyone, don't send large files to the list! It's a killer.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:00:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Re(2): Leaking Lena

R Mullen wrote:
>
> >I agree except if the rings are bad, you will have leaks due to excess
> >crankcase pressure from the blowby.
>
> >Dennis J. Sytsma
>
> I'm coming in late on this one.  Has anyone mentioned that a plugged PCV
> valve will cause the same symptoms?  I always start with the
> easiest/cheapest/most obvious things first.
>
> Scott Mullen
> '70 442

That is exactly my way of thinking.  Why get into major surgery first
when the least painful may be just what you are looking for.  It seems
that these small things are the major culprits anyway.  Starting is
usually battery cables.  Electrical problems are usually dirty
connections.  Many times a loose front end is lack of grease - grease
takes up  much slack.  Tune-ups do wonders for old engines.  Cleaniing
can make a messy old car look presentable.  Etc., etc.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: David Nye <jdnye@norfolk.infi.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 00:09:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone ever get their beast in a movie?

Some years ago, the guy that did my body and paint work was asked to
locate a convertable Cutlass to be used for the filming of "Navy Seals"
here in the Norfolk, Virginia area. Soon before he contacted me, he
found out how the car was going to be used, or should I say abused,
during the production. He decided for me that this wasn't the car for
them...he didn't even tell me about it until quite sometime after the
film was released. It would have been great to have my car in a film but
I would have been a nervous wreck watching Charlie Sheen treat it like a
prop!
			David Nye
			'71 Cutlass Ragtop

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:07:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Seat interchange

Robert J. Lavey wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> Can anyone help me find out what front bench seats will interchange with my
> 1968 convertible 442?  Also I need interchange information for the back
seat. > > Thanks, > Bob >

Bob,

I believe that any 68-72 2-door A body coiuld supply a front seat.  Any
68-72 A body convertible can supply a rear seat.  This includes tracks.
If you already have tracks, then you can use '69-72 Monte Carlo & GP
front seats also.  The nice ones have a front seat armrest.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Harry Mulligan <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 00:14:58 -0400
Subject: W41 vs VTEC

>   I have a 1990 Quad442 and I think it's a great car in every way.  Do
>you know how of any ideas to squeeze more power out of the motor?  I know
>that a better intake/exhaust setup and a different computer chip would
>really wake the little motor up.  Do you know of anyone who makes a better
>shifter for the 5-speed? Also, how does your W-41 stack up against such
>things as turbo Mitsubishis, VTEC Hondas, etc.

I think a better question would be how the "turbo Mitsubishis, VTEC Hondas"
stack up to the W-41! I'm sure a skillful driver in a W-41 would have no prob
showing honda what it's about not sure about some of those all wheel drive
mitubooshi tho...they have a big advantage!

JEFF V

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 00:49:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone ever get their beast in a movie?

At 04:47 PM 2/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Feb 1997, Jar Lyons wrote:
>> Considering all the advertising and movies that are
>> targeted to the baby boomer generation (e.g.
>> the Jack in the Box clown driving the GTO)
>> does anyone know anything about renting a car
>> to commercial / movie houses?
>>
>> Any ideas, opinions?
>

Renting to the movies can be done, but it usually takes special vehincles,
and occasionally a lot of special vehicles.

A friend of mine rented his Sherman Tank for the movie "The Blues Brothers."
The moved the tank from Saint Louis to Chicago, and back.  And he was paid
$10000. a day, to drive it, and for its appearance.

The Wiz

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 01:11:44 -0400
Subject: Re: W41 vs VTEC

At 12:14 AM 2/14/97 -0400, Harry Mulligan wrote:
>>   I have a 1990 Quad442 and I think it's a great car in every way.  Do
>>you know how of any ideas to squeeze more power out of the motor?  I know
>>that a better intake/exhaust setup and a different computer chip would
>>really wake the little motor up.  Do you know of anyone who makes a better
>>shifter for the 5-speed? Also, how does your W-41 stack up against such
>>things as turbo Mitsubishis, VTEC Hondas, etc.
>
>I think a better question would be how the "turbo Mitsubishis, VTEC Hondas"
>stack up to the W-41! I'm sure a skillful driver in a W-41 would have no prob
>showing honda what it's about not sure about some of those all wheel drive
>mitubooshi tho...they have a big advantage!

I am even carefull when I pull up next to an AWD Talon Turbo in my LT1
beast. Those Talon's can get up and move! W-41 would have no chance against
those cars.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28.....patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2, GSC,  currently bone stock
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30...white/gold..........3rd place '97 Cleveland Auto Rama

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 01:41:09 -0400
Subject: Re: The Meaning of 442

At 04:58 PM 2/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>I have read that 442 (probably post 1964) stood for:
>>
>>4- 400
>>4- 4-Barrel
>>2- Dual Exhaust
>>
>I've always known it as the 4Spd 4Bbl 2 Exhaust, but I'd heard in the past
>rumours of 4 spd 4 bbl 2 bucket seats.  No matter how you add it up, it's
>still a perfect 10...  (Don't recall who noticed ~that~ math, but I like it!)

The original, 1964 "442" stood for 4-speed transmission, 4-bbl carburetor,
and dual exhaust.  Later, it meant, as above, 400 cube engine, 4-bbl carb,
dual exhaust.  _Much_ later it meant 4-wheels, 4-cylinders, 2-doors :)


Dan



************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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From: Keith455@aol.com
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 02:17:39 -0400
Subject: Re: 74 Hurst Olds. for sale

how much and where is it located?

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:35:15 -0400
Subject: Re[4]: Olds Club

     Never had problems with mail on any other magazine subscriptions,
     ever, including the H/OCA's Thunder and Lightning.  To their credit,
     they did send a duplicate on both occasions, in an envelope like you
     mentioned for my missing issues when I asked them about it.

     I contacted them in about November when everyone else had gotten their
     book in early October.  They said that some people still hadn't gotten
     theirs yet, and it was out of their control anyways since Olds was
     distributing the books, and they did not know who I could contact at
     Olds.  So, it's not worth the grief to pursue it any farther.  I think
     I'm just going to take my $30 I saved by not renewing and buy the book
     with it.  Personally I think because I live waaaay over in Wa state
     and can't possibly attend any OCA functions or have any political
     input in the club, so what do I matter to them? Remember the issue we
     got our voting ballots in?  Mine showed up 2 days _after_ ballots were
     due.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: Olds Club Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    2/13/97 5:50 PM

Did you contact anyone at O.C.A. or Olds about not getting your book?  Since
you've been missed on two issues of the magazine as well, this sounds like a
mail problem to me, not an O.C.A. problem.  I missed an issue a few years ago
and asked O.C.A. for a duplicate, which they sent promptly.  It came in an


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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 1997 18:35:11 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Olds Club

     I remember that survey, it said to only fill it out if you were going
     to the 100th anniversary.  I can't make it, so I didn't fill it out.
     Doesn't sound like a very fair way of doing things. . .


______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Olds Club Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    2/13/97 3:50 PM


In order to recieve "Setting the Pace", you needed to fill out a survey
that was in JWO sometime last year about the 100th year celebration in
August97.  No one knew the survey would get you the book, it was a
surprise.

John Schumacher
North Texas Olds Club #254
OCA #021151
64 D88
69 442
74 Supreme


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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 03:00:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Time on your hands

Greg - best wishes for a speedy recovery.  Since my left knee is  a basket
case I can't drive a stick anymore, good thing I don t have a 4 gear car
anymore or I'd be having to hit the ol' human garage too.  Yes, the car
would win out over the human self!


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 03:00:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Club

Amen brother.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 03:28:36 -0400
Subject: Re: W41 vs VTEC

>I think a better question would be how the "turbo Mitsubishis, VTEC Hondas"
>stack up to the W-41! I'm sure a skillful driver in a W-41 would have no prob
>showing honda what it's about not sure about some of those all wheel drive
>mitubooshi tho...they have a big advantage!

Last summer I dusted a '95 Honda Del Sol (didn't have the hot VTEC setup
tho) with the well worn Toro.  I was amused...

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 08:47:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Jar Lynon's brakes

Since you've had the most obvious things checked out by a garage, here
are some less obvious things to look at.  Check to make sure that the
pushrod leading from the pedal to the booster is in the correct hole on
the pedal assembly.  Now that I've said that, I promptly forgot which
hole it should be in.  I know there are two holes in the pedal assembly,
one for power and one for manual brakes.  The difference in the hole
heights affects the pedal effort required.  Someone out there with their
shop manual handy look this one up for me.

Also, the diameter of the piston in the master cylinder makes a
difference.  I believe that manual brakes uses a smaller diameter piston
in the master cylinder to generate more psi.

First thing I would check is that your vacuum source to the booster is
leak-free/unobstructed.  Another possible cause  is contaminated (by
brake fluid/grease) front disc brake pads.  Just because they are within
thickness specs doesn't mean that they are not contaminated.  Also, beat
calipers that aren't actuating (e.g. sliding on their pins) easily could
also cause loss of effectiveness.  In this instance, look for uneven
wear thickness of the inboard vs. outboard pad.

Scott Mullen
'70 442

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 09:38:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Anyone ever get their beast in a movie?

Back in the mid to late 80s, some members of a car club I belonged to,
were part of a rock video.  It was for a British heavey metal band that
did not do very well.  The video was shot just west of Indianapolis.
The guys in the club received a call one day from a former member who
had been contacted by someone else to round up some street machines.
They managed to get 4 or 5 cars together the next day for the filming.
The video producers wanted to have the band setting on the folded
convertible top of one car with their feet in the seat.  It was raining
and the owners said no.  A couple of others did allow their cars to be
covered in mud, luckily they cleaned up with no damage.  The car owners
did the driving BTW.  One of the members even had his face featured in a
close up shot in the video.  The cars did get quite a bit of exposure.
For all of this the club was supposed to get a copy of the actual video.
We got our copy all right, as soon as someone taped it from MTV.  The
video did not get much play and soon faded away with the band.  The club
members who participated had fun and a unusual experience, but no money
and no copy of the video. I lived 70 miles away so they did not contact
me because they did not think I could get there on such short notice.
Damn the bad luck!  I do not remember the name of the band or the name
of the song.  Of course somedays I don't remember my own name either.

Dave(I think)Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

From: Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:01:43 -0400
Subject: Build Sheet - Found!

While pulling my front bench seat in the 442 last
night, so I could take it in today to be re-covered,
I found the holy grail of documentation, the build
sheet.  It was stuck to a small dab of body seam filler
or some other kind of adhesive, on the floor pan
adjacent and just inboard of the left side seat belt
retractor assembly.

After carefully prying it out of the car, I took it
inside to decode it.  Here is what it looks like;

                                     Exter Paint
 Broadcast       Plt   Body     Trim     Top     P
Seq Mo Day Style Opt16 Number   Comb Lwr Upr Act P Type

202 02 18  34267 A01   372276   990  28  B       2


 1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10   11

A39                         C60     A65


So, according to this sheet, my car was built on
Feb 18 1970.  Its a Cutlass Supreme Convertible, painted
Twilight Blue with a Blue(?) top.  It has optional
Deluxe Seat Belts Front and Rear (A39), Air Conditioning (C60)
and a Notch Back Bench Seat (A65).

That's funny, last time I looked at my car it was a Black 442
Holiday Coupe with standard seat belts, no air, and a standard
bench seat.  Oh well.

The body number on my trim tag (on the cowl) is 370791 and the
sticker on the door jam says the car was built 02-70 so, assuming these
two body numbers should match, it would appear that I have the build
sheet for a car that was built a couple thousand units _later_ !

I also found some pieces of broken safety glass under the seat on
the passengers side.  Looks like the passenger window was broken
out sometime in the past.  Hmmm.

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

------------------------------

From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:29:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds DRCE

Charley Buehner said:

> This is all quoted from an article in my "Olds in action" the
> legendary (and apparantly) only issue in existance...  It's from
> 1984.

*****
That would be Volume 1 of "Oldsmobile In Action".  I have three or
four copies of that one in my reference files.  I also have a couple
copies of Volume 3, which was issued in 1987 and also contains an
article on the second generation DRCE engine.  I don't believe that
I've ever seen a copy of Volume 2, but there must have been one.

          ---
 ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ---    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
 --------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:49:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Hood Hinges

Chris Miller wrote:

> I am looking for a set of hood hinges for my '68 442, mine seem to be
> worn out (hood eases up at aft end).  I was also wondering if any other

Mine does too a little on the driver's side.

> year hinges fit on a '68, due to the limited distance of the '68 hood
> hinges?

Would the hinges or springs be bad?

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: Jon442@aol.com
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:07:42 -0400
Subject: Re: W41 vs VTEC

We had a state trooper come into the store a while back. He said he was on
the interstate one night and a back blur went sailing past him just as he was
coming onto the roadway from the accleration ramp. He started pursuit, but
couldn't catch the violator. He radioed ahead and a pursuit Mustang was
waiting a few miles up the road. The black car went ripping past the Mustang,
and the Mustang started pursuit. At 140 mph, the Mustang was maxed out, and
the black car was still gaining ground. So, they decided to set up a
roadblock about 20 miles up the road, and they finally got the black car
stopped at the roadblock. The troopers estimated the speed of the black car
to be 160 mph.

It was a Honda del Sol VTEC.

Granted, it more than likely had the governor bypassed and maybe a chip or
exhaust modification, but the little suckers do RUN.

Jon Wessel

------------------------------

From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:19:06 -0400
Subject: Rating Systems

Greetings,
A short time ago I had the fortune of finding this list, and have been
lurking, enjoying the information and discussions ever since. It is nice to
know that the sacred order of GearHeads has such a strong Oldsmobile chapter
:)

I am new to the *Hobby* and am looking for information about the two rating
systems I have encountered: Points (eg. a car is an 95 point car) and
Condition (eg. a car is condition 2). Are they published standards?

In addition, if anyone out there is looking for a good home for a 68-70
Convertable 442 please let me know. Although I live in northern Virginia, I
will travel for the right car.

Thanks
Ray

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:25:26 -0400
Subject: Re: W41 vs VTEC

Jon442@aol.com wrote:

> Granted, it more than likely had the governor bypassed and maybe a chip or
> exhaust modification, but the little suckers do RUN.

That may be true, however, answer these questions:

1) How much does it weigh?
2) What kind of gearing does it have?

I am sure any 442 modified for weight reduction/high gear ratios can do
the same.

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: Joseph Fauzio <galusha@postoffice.ptd.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 11:35:43 -0400
Subject: 74 Toro

Could anyone tell me what engine is in a 74 Toronado.

Thanks

]Joe

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:45:41 -0400
Subject: Re: W41 vs VTEC

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997 Jon442@aol.com wrote:

> to be 160 mph.
>
> It was a Honda del Sol VTEC.

Gawd, I wouldn't do 160 in a Del Sol, just wouldn't feel safe.  I've been
that fast in my 84 Cutlass before (350 rocket, TH400 combined with 2.41:1
gears --I still had some pedal left believe it or not) , and that was bad
enough! Granted, at that speed if I wrecked it wouldn't matter WHAT I was
driving, I'd probably get killed, but I would certainly FEEL safer in a
bigger car!  Oh well, I guess that half a convertible is better than no
convertible at all, though.  :-)

Here in Northeast Tenn. if you are going faster than 120, the cops
normally just let you go.  Unless you are in Jonesboro, they've got a VW
beetle with a VERY BUILT Porche engine, supposedly did close to 200 on a
closed track!  I wouldn't drive THAT at such speeds either!

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:13:10 -0400
Subject: Re: The Meaning of 442

At 01:41 AM 2/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 04:58 PM 2/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>>I have read that 442 (probably post 1964) stood for:
>>>
>>>4- 400
>>>4- 4-Barrel
>>>2- Dual Exhaust
>>>
>>I've always known it as the 4Spd 4Bbl 2 Exhaust, but I'd heard in the past
>>rumours of 4 spd 4 bbl 2 bucket seats.  No matter how you add it up, it's
>>still a perfect 10...  (Don't recall who noticed ~that~ math, but I like
it!) > >The original, 1964 "442" stood for 4-speed transmission, 4-bbl
carburetor, >and dual exhaust.  Later, it meant, as above, 400 cube engine,
4-bbl carb, >dual exhaust.  _Much_ later it meant 4-wheels, 4-cylinders,
2-doors :) > > >Dan > > > >************************************************
>Dan Gulino >gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
>http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html >1975 Delta 88 Convertible
>************************************************ >

And today it means:

        four-gotten
        four-lorned
and     two-bad

Anon. I

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:16:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Olds Club

At 06:35 PM 2/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>     I remember that survey, it said to only fill it out if you were going
>     to the 100th anniversary.  I can't make it, so I didn't fill it out.
>     Doesn't sound like a very fair way of doing things. . .
>
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: Re: Olds Club
>Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET
>Date:    2/13/97 3:50 PM
>
>
>In order to recieve "Setting the Pace", you needed to fill out a survey
>that was in JWO sometime last year about the 100th year celebration in
>August97.  No one knew the survey would get you the book, it was a
>surprise.
>
>John Schumacher
>North Texas Olds Club #254
>OCA #021151
>64 D88
>69 442
>74 Supreme
>
>
>

I received "Setting the Pace" and did not fill out the questionaire.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:30:03 -0400
Subject: Armrest Q's (fwd)

This one bounced to me because of the "H*lp* word in the subject line...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:35:03 -0400
From: pete <redeye@bc.sympatico.ca>
Subject: Help

>>>>> HELP:::::::::PLEASE!
I have to replace the arm rests in my '70 olds..the only ones I can find
are GREEN and mine are WHITE..Supposedly there is a special paint or dye
for this
job. Where can I get it?? Appreciate any help...thnx

Pete

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:39:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Rating Systems

At 11:19 AM 2/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Greetings,
>A short time ago I had the fortune of finding this list, and have been
>lurking, enjoying the information and discussions ever since. It is nice to
>know that the sacred order of GearHeads has such a strong Oldsmobile chapter
:) > >I am new to the *Hobby* and am looking for information about the two
rating >systems I have encountered: Points (eg. a car is an 95 point car) and
>Condition (eg. a car is condition 2). Are they published standards? > >In
addition, if anyone out there is looking for a good home for a 68-70
>Convertable 442 please let me know. Although I live in northern Virginia, I
>will travel for the right car. > >Thanks >Ray > > The condition standards are
a set of parameters described in "Old Cars Price Guide."  They describe cars
in 6 conditions, from No. 1, better than showroom new to 6. delapidated (sp)
parts car.  I would actually suggest that you suscribe to this for a year,
keep the issues, as the prices don't change very much: it is a plethora of
interesting information.

The 95 point show car is a different undertaking, but is easy for one to
understand.  It involves a show car that has been judged to be 95 points.
You can then infer that it was a very nice, but not perfect, restoration.
If gives you room do discern the merit of the restoration (or very nice
original car, for that matter) and is a helpful tool in determining the
value of a particular automobile.

Sopme years ago an acquaintance inherited a ca. 1931 big eight Packard
touring car.  It was in decent original condition.  After playing with it
for a few years, he decided to have one of the prefessional restoration
shops restore it.

They quoted restoration of the car. $100,000. to $125,000. for a 95+ point
car.  The vagaries here was based on unseen difficulties, and hard to find
parts.  Add $100,000 for a 97.5+ point car, and add another $100,000. for a
99+ car.  The indication being that it takes an enormous amount of work to
move a car up a point or two, when it is already 'better than showroom.'

I hope that this gives you some indication.

The Wiz

P.S. Also for your pursit of a '68 to '70 Convertible.  You do not live very
far from the 'Mother of all Old Car Meets" at Hershey, Pennsylvania.  It's
in the fall, and take your check book and good walking shoes, rain
protection and be prepared to shop.

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:45:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Armrest Q's (fwd)

At 01:30 PM 2/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>This one bounced to me because of the "H*lp* word in the subject line...
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:35:03 -0400
>From: pete <redeye@bc.sympatico.ca>
>Subject: Help
>
>>>>>> HELP:::::::::PLEASE!
>I have to replace the arm rests in my '70 olds..the only ones I can find
>are GREEN and mine are WHITE..Supposedly there is a special paint or dye
>for this
>job. Where can I get it?? Appreciate any help...thnx
>
>Pete
>

If you live in or near a larger city, call upholstery shops until you find
one that specializes in either automotive interiors or does vinyl work.
They should be able to help you.  If they can't re-dye it they can probably
re-upholster it!

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "Steve Reed" <SSREED@IBM.NET>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 07:11:51 -0400
Subject: Plug wire tip

>From: katana72@juno.com (Robert F Turner)
>Date: Sun, 9 Feb 1997 11:50:29 -0400
>Subject: Re: Q-Jet

> I had a problem with my now extinct 79 Cutlass wagon with the destroyed
>69 rocket motor. I thought it was the carb on that but finally it  gave
>up and I troubleshot the problem. It turned ou to be a wire going from
>the coil to the Distributor. The car would cut out at high rpms, bucking
>and jerking, similar to a fuel problem. Couldn't find it until it broke.
>Once I found it  and repaired the problem, it never came back. It was
>from the coil to the points.

I know this original message is a little old, but I've been working on
my car all week long so I haven't had time to read my mail until now.
A good rule of thumb to use on diagnosing plug wires, and the coil wire
is to allow no more than 6000 Ohms per foot of resistance on any wire.
I had the same problem on a 74 Blazer I owned, but I used a Sun
diagnostic machine to find the problem.

- -Steve

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:40:57 -0400
Subject: Re: 74 Toro

At 11:35 AM 2/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Could anyone tell me what engine is in a 74 Toronado.
>
>Thanks
>
>]Joe
>
>

The standard engine was an 'L78' 455 of 230 h.p.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:49:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Wiring

At 05:56 PM 2/13/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I recently acquired an underhood light for my Olds.  It has never had one.
>The circuit that the light wires into is supposed to be the parking lights,
>which, I believe, is a brown wire.  Should the plug for the wire already be
>under the hood?  I can't find it.  The one for the trunk light I put in the
>car was already there, so I assumed the one for the hood light would be.
>Will it be coming out of the big fuse block plug on the front of the
firewall? > >-- >Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass
Supreme >Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
>dpauliso@gate.net > > >

I removed one one day when junque yardeing and put it in my Delta 88.  I
eventually found the appropiate plug already in the wiring harness.  I did
call Mr. Goodwrench who was helpful enough to tell me to look for a wire of
a particular color.  The wire was in the factory wiring harness near the
power brake booster.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 13:49:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Plug wire tip

>I know this original message is a little old, but I've been working on
>my car all week long so I haven't had time to read my mail until now.
>A good rule of thumb to use on diagnosing plug wires, and the coil wire
>is to allow no more than 6000 Ohms per foot of resistance on any wire.
>I had the same problem on a 74 Blazer I owned, but I used a Sun
>diagnostic machine to find the problem.

All good advice, but actually the specific wire he was referring to in
the original post was the low-amperage one from the points to the coil.
As the breaker plate rotates back and forth over the years, eventually
the wire breaks inside the insulation and cuts out intermittently,
although the appearance of the wire is normal. This is a common gotcha
on older cars, but for some reason elderly Olds seem to specialize in
it... Dad's '78 Delta came down with this, and others here have had it
happen, too.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:15:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Rating Systems

>P.S. Also for your pursit of a '68 to '70 Convertible.  You do not live very
>far from the 'Mother of all Old Car Meets" at Hershey, Pennsylvania.  It's
>in the fall, and take your check book and good walking shoes, rain
>protection and be prepared to shop.


I am making the trip to Carlisle in April, bringing all the above items and
a cheat sheet for deciphering codes. Is the Hershey event very different?

Ray
34467X

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:27:20 -0400
Subject: Re: W41 vs VTEC

At 11:07 AM 2/14/97 -0400, Jon442@aol.com wrote:
>We had a state trooper come into the store a while back. He said he was on
>the interstate one night and a back blur went sailing past him just as he was
>coming onto the roadway from the accleration ramp. He started pursuit, but
>couldn't catch the violator. He radioed ahead and a pursuit Mustang was
>waiting a few miles up the road. The black car went ripping past the Mustang,
>and the Mustang started pursuit. At 140 mph, the Mustang was maxed out, and
>the black car was still gaining ground. So, they decided to set up a
>roadblock about 20 miles up the road, and they finally got the black car
>stopped at the roadblock. The troopers estimated the speed of the black car
>to be 160 mph.

If those troopers had a B4C LT1 Camaro cop car they would have had 'em. Top
speed on those are 168. Those VTEC's are fast on the top end thats for
sure..... - - - - - - - - - - - - Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
f-list since: 5/95 93 Camaro
Z/28.........http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html 80 Olds 4-4-2
W-30..http://www.442.com/labay.html

------------------------------

From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:40:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Olds Club

At 01:16 PM 2/14/97 -0400, you wrote:

>>In order to recieve "Setting the Pace", you needed to fill out a survey
>>that was in JWO sometime last year about the 100th year celebration in
>>August97.  No one knew the survey would get you the book, it was a
>>surprise.
>>
>>John Schumacher
>>North Texas Olds Club #254
>>OCA #021151
>>64 D88
>>69 442
>>74 Supreme
>>
>>
>>
>
>I received "Setting the Pace" and did not fill out the questionaire.
>
>The Wiz

The Wiz is correct.  "Setting the Pace" was sent automatically to all
members of the OCA, NAOC, and Curved Dash Club.  Filling out the survey was
not necessary.

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 14:57:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Armrest Q's (fwd)

At 01:30 PM 2/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>This one bounced to me because of the "H*lp* word in the subject line...
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 12:35:03 -0400
>From: pete <redeye@bc.sympatico.ca>
>Subject: Help
>
>>>>>> HELP:::::::::PLEASE!
>I have to replace the arm rests in my '70 olds..the only ones I can find
>are GREEN and mine are WHITE..Supposedly there is a special paint or dye
>for this
>job. Where can I get it?? Appreciate any help...thnx
>
>Pete
>
>
>

Pete
        Any good autompaint store should be able to match any interior color
with their dyes. Just remember don't thin the mixture out it comes ready to
put in a spray gun and use. Hope this helps you.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442>

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:21:14 -0400
Subject: Re: The Meaning of 442

C.R.F. wrote:
>
> And today it means:
>
>         four-gotten
>         four-lorned
> and     two-bad


Plagiarist!

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 06:40:20 -0400
Subject: Re: W41 vs VTEC

>Jon442@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Granted, it more than likely had the governor bypassed and maybe a chip or
>> exhaust modification, but the little suckers do RUN.
>
>That may be true, however, answer these questions:
>
>1) How much does it weigh?
>2) What kind of gearing does it have?

Well if it had a relatively low final drive (3.5 or more) and a relatively
conservative overdrive it could do more than 160.  Provided the engine is
able to make power at say, 6000 rpm.

I'd guess it barely weighs 3000 if that much.  Prolly more like 2700.  I
doubt it'd take much to push the car that fast.  A bigger concern would
likely be keeping the thing on the ground.

>I am sure any 442 modified for weight reduction/high gear ratios can do
>the same.
Prolly wouldn't have to chop anything.  Just make sure the motor can hold
together and give it a nice tall gear.  My wagon with the 3.08 rearend and
overdrive tops out at 200 MPH@5000 rpm on paper.  Ha! Don't I wish.  Maybe I
could put in a 2.41 rearend and set the land speed record for a station
wagon.  :))  Somehow I doubt my 200hp engine and driveshaft are up to the
task.  Even if I could afford Z-rated tires. (Which would be pretty funny on
a station wagon.)  Allthough I would bet good money on 150mph.  Hell, it was
just cruising at 110.  (Engine spinning a serene 2800 rpm! Honest!)

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:07:23 -0400
Subject: Amazement

I saw this today in the www.442.com classifieds:

  Date Posted 2/9/1997 - 1970 Olds 442 cont. 502 cid 502 hp GM HO big
block.
  Now with Wielend 8-71 Supercharger and fuel injectionl. Custom 2 1/4
  headers. Now 705 horses and 730 lbs of torque. Black with twin sliver
strips.
  Custom full leather inteior.Built 700R-4 Tranny with 2200 lockup stall
3.23
  posi hi perfomce.. Goodyear GSC tires on Corvette ZR-1 5 spoke rims.
275 on
  11s front 315 on 13s rear. 4 wheel disk brakes from 1991 Corvette
ZR-1. Ultra
  fast. 19 mpg highway. 1/4 mile on slilck: 10.985 @ 131. Top speed: 181
0-60:
  3.21 Serious buyers only, 34000 invested. Sacirfice for just 20000 Ask
for Ted.
  219 322 4040 Dyer, IN

Can a car this wonderful get 19mpg highway?  I am lucky to get 10mpg on
the
highway/street whatever with my 325hp 400CID car.

Hmmmmmm


Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: Daniel Houlton <tc75918@hpr169.mdhc.mdc.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:08:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds DRCE

Thomas Stoner wrote:
>
> Charley Buehner said:
>
> > This is all quoted from an article in my "Olds in action" the
> > legendary (and apparantly) only issue in existance...  It's from
> > 1984.
>
> *****
> That would be Volume 1 of "Oldsmobile In Action".  I have three or
> four copies of that one in my reference files.  I also have a couple
> copies of Volume 3, which was issued in 1987 and also contains an
> article on the second generation DRCE engine.  I don't believe that
> I've ever seen a copy of Volume 2, but there must have been one.
>

Are they for sale?  I've been looking for one ever since seeing bits
of Volume 1 on Charley's (now extinct) page.  I spent two days calling
publishers, bookstores, used bookstores, etc and nobody had even heard
of it.

So how about it, are you willing to part with a copy of the volumes
you have?

- --Dan

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 16:33:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Amazement

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>>   Custom full leather inteior.Built 700R-4 Tranny with 2200 lockup
stall


> Can a car this wonderful get 19mpg highway?  I am lucky to get 10mpg on
> the
> highway/street whatever with my 325hp 400CID car.
>
> Hmmmmmm

Chris, I don't know, but the overdrive tranny would help quite a bit, the
220 stall might help some too.

Peace Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
The *Official* Editor of the Olds Mailing List FAQ. 3.0.
(may be available Saturday)

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From: pteubel@safety1st.com (Peter Teubel)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 15:48:57 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Rating Systems

     Alright!  Another Carlisle go-er.  My nephew (whose a member of the
     MML) and I (Olds freak) go twice a year.  And of course, we'll be
     there in April.

     If you're looking to do some 'yarding, I can recommend a HUGE yard to
     peruse....Harry's.  They claim to have over 5000 cars.  Its so big
     that they have a permanent snackbar on the premises. We went last year
     and I found lots of stuff for my various project cars.  Another good
     'yard is Criswell's.

     Anyone else going to Spring Carlisle??????


     Peter Teubel
     pteubel@safety1st.com
     '51 98
     '82 98
     '86 Ciera (Wife's car)




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_________________________________ Subject: Re: Rating Systems Author:  Ray
Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com> at imail Date:    2/14/97 2:15 PM



>P.S. Also for your pursit of a '68 to '70 Convertible.  You do not live very
>far from the 'Mother of all Old Car Meets" at Hershey, Pennsylvania.  It's
>in the fall, and take your check book and good walking shoes, rain
>protection and be prepared to shop.


I am making the trip to Carlisle in April, bringing all the above items and
a cheat sheet for deciphering codes. Is the Hershey event very different?

Ray
34467X



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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:09:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Amazement

>I saw this today in the www.442.com classifieds:
>
>  Date Posted 2/9/1997 - 1970 Olds 442 cont. 502 cid 502 hp GM HO big
>block.
>  Now with Wielend 8-71 Supercharger and fuel injectionl. Custom 2 1/4
>  headers. Now 705 horses and 730 lbs of torque. Black with twin sliver
>strips.
>  Custom full leather inteior.Built 700R-4 Tranny with 2200 lockup stall
>3.23
>  posi hi perfomce.. Goodyear GSC tires on Corvette ZR-1 5 spoke rims.
>275 on
>  11s front 315 on 13s rear. 4 wheel disk brakes from 1991 Corvette
>ZR-1. Ultra
>  fast. 19 mpg highway. 1/4 mile on slilck: 10.985 @ 131. Top speed: 181
>0-60:
>  3.21 Serious buyers only, 34000 invested. Sacirfice for just 20000 Ask
>for Ted.
>  219 322 4040 Dyer, IN
>
>Can a car this wonderful get 19mpg highway?  I am lucky to get 10mpg on
>the
>highway/street whatever with my 325hp 400CID car.
>
>Hmmmmmm
>
>
>Chris Sparks
>68 442

This is fuel injected, so it is possible. FEP has a ZZ-3 (in a Ch*vy) with
the same transmission (don't know the final gear ratio), and is getting
24mpg. This is carburated (how do you spell that word!) but pretty well
tuned.

Let's assume this guy spent over $20k wisely; It is possible...


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* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 17:37:40 -0400
Subject: Carlisle (was Rating Systems)

Peter Teubel wrote:
>
>      Anyone else going to Spring Carlisle??????

Spring Carlisle, Summer Carlisle and Fall Carlisle.
Hell, it only takes me about 50 minutes to get there so I go to all of
'em.  Of course I _don't_ go to F*rds at Carlisle, Ch*vys at Carlisle or
Ch**slers at Carlisle...wish they had an Olds at Carlisle, or even an
B-O-P at Carlisle.

Hey, maybe if we all write them, and all that show up at any Carlisle
event complain to their office about this, we might get some
satifaction.  Doubtful, but worth a try.

Kurt
71 442

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:31:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Rating Systems

At 02:15 PM 2/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>P.S. Also for your pursit of a '68 to '70 Convertible.  You do not live very
>>far from the 'Mother of all Old Car Meets" at Hershey, Pennsylvania.  It's
>>in the fall, and take your check book and good walking shoes, rain
>>protection and be prepared to shop.
>
>
>I am making the trip to Carlisle in April, bringing all the above items and
>a cheat sheet for deciphering codes. Is the Hershey event very different?
>
>Ray
>34467X
>
>

I've never been the Carlisle in the spring; but have in the fall, it usually
falls the weekend before Hershey.

Carlisle is maybe 1/4th the size of Hershey, certainly less and 1/3rd.  Its
a little hard to actually discern the size of the (fall) Hershey meet
because it covers fields, half fields, and goes on for several city blocks.
Carlisle is certainly a worthwhile event.  It's just that the larger the
event, the more likely you'll find what your looking for.  However, it is
impossible to see all the booths at Hershey in the time allotted; several
too few days too few.  Also Hershey starts to die on Saturday, and is a
vacant lot by Sunday, so you need to go early in the week, when it actually
starts.  I have friends that keep a week of their vacation to go on an old
car trek to Pennsylvania.

Another plan for a big car meet is to make you self into a 'sandwich' man.
Make a large sign with large letters, and wear it front and back.  You will
be amazed by how many people read these signs (a lot of people wear them, so
you will not be looking so foolishly alone, and its worth it for the leads)
and you can get tips and leads about cars on the field, and what some left
at home; this is very worthwile.

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:37:29 -0400
Subject: Re: The Meaning of 442

At 06:21 PM 2/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>C.R.F. wrote:
>>
>> And today it means:
>>
>>         four-gotten
>>         four-lorned
>> and     two-bad
>
>
>Plagiarist!
>
>    66 Toro
>The /\   /\ and Mike
>
>--
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
>
>
>

I do not necessarily require credit for this little gem, anymore than I
would for four barrel/four speed/dual exhaust.

In as much as this thread will not die, it is certainly appropiate!

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 18:41:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Amazement

At 04:07 PM 2/14/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I saw this today in the www.442.com classifieds:
>
>  Date Posted 2/9/1997 - 1970 Olds 442 cont. 502 cid 502 hp GM HO big
>block.
>  Now with Wielend 8-71 Supercharger and fuel injectionl. Custom 2 1/4
>  headers. Now 705 horses and 730 lbs of torque. Black with twin sliver
>strips.
>  Custom full leather inteior.Built 700R-4 Tranny with 2200 lockup stall
>3.23
>  posi hi perfomce.. Goodyear GSC tires on Corvette ZR-1 5 spoke rims.
>275 on
>  11s front 315 on 13s rear. 4 wheel disk brakes from 1991 Corvette
>ZR-1. Ultra
>  fast. 19 mpg highway. 1/4 mile on slilck: 10.985 @ 131. Top speed: 181
>0-60:
>  3.21 Serious buyers only, 34000 invested. Sacirfice for just 20000 Ask
>for Ted.
>  219 322 4040 Dyer, IN
>
>Can a car this wonderful get 19mpg highway?  I am lucky to get 10mpg on
>the
>highway/street whatever with my 325hp 400CID car.
>
>Hmmmmmm
>
>
>Chris Sparks
>68 442
>

I get 17-18 highway in my Delta 88, w/455 at probably <>300hp.  However, if
I drive all intown, look for 7-10.

The Wiz

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 19:29:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Build Sheet - Found!

>The body number on my trim tag (on the cowl) is 370791 and the
>sticker on the door jam says the car was built 02-70 so, assuming these
>two body numbers should match, it would appear that I have the build
>sheet for a car that was built a couple thousand units _later_ !
>
>I also found some pieces of broken safety glass under the seat on
>the passengers side.  Looks like the passenger window was broken
>out sometime in the past.  Hmmm.

Ah, well, perhaps your car was broadsided in the past, and they
welded in a portion of floor from a donor car built after yours,
and its build sheet came along for the ride. Encouraging thought,
no doubt... :-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 07:52:40 -0400
Subject: Re: 74 Hurst Olds. for sale

Keith455@aol.com wrote:
>
> how much and where is it located?

No price listed, and somewhere in Northeast PA.

Jeff.

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 07:51:54 -0400
Subject: Re: The Meaning of 442

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
> _Much_ later it meant 4-wheels, 4-cylinders, 2-doors :)
>
> Dan
>

My understanding for the Quad 442 was 4 cylinder, 4 camshafts, 2 exhaust
tips.

Jeff Quad 442 W-41

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 08:03:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Rating Systems

Peter Teubel wrote:
>
>      Alright!  Another Carlisle go-er.  My nephew (whose a member of the
>      MML) and I (Olds freak) go twice a year.  And of course, we'll be
>      there in April.
>
>      If you're looking to do some 'yarding, I can recommend a HUGE yard to
>      peruse....Harry's.  They claim to have over 5000 cars.  Its so big
>      that they have a permanent snackbar on the premises. We went last year
>      and I found lots of stuff for my various project cars.  Another good
>      'yard is Criswell's.
>
>      Anyone else going to Spring Carlisle??????
>
>
>      Peter Teubel
>      pteubel@safety1st.com
>      '51 98
>      '82 98
>      '86 Ciera (Wife's car)
>
>
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ > Subject: Re: Rating Systems > Author:  Ray
Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com> at imail > Date:    2/14/97 2:15 PM > > >
>P.S. Also for your pursit of a '68 to '70 Convertible.  You do not live very >
>far from the 'Mother of all Old Car Meets" at Hershey, Pennsylvania.  It's >
>in the fall, and take your check book and good walking shoes, rain >
>protection and be prepared to shop. > > > I am making the trip to Carlisle
in April, bringing all the above items and > a cheat sheet for deciphering
codes. Is the Hershey event very different? > > Ray > 34467X > > Ray, Where
are those yards?  I'm goint to spring Carlisle. Jeff 	'70 442 Conv. 
	'91 Quad
442 W-41

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