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oldsmobile-digest        Tuesday, 11 February 1997     Volume 01 : Number 512

Headers, just say yes!
Re: Headers, just say no!
Re: Competition Cams, adjustable valvetrain for Olds
Re: Detroit AutoRamma
Re: Oldsmobile dealer
Re: old headlights
Re: Competition Cams, adjustable valvetrain for Olds
Introduction
Need digest form!
Top installation (WAS Re: A Few Q's)
Re: Introduction
Re: Competition Cams, adjustable valvetrain for Olds
Trans Break
RE: old headlights
Re: old headlights
Re: B-Post molding
Re: Welcome
Re: Headers, just say yes!
Re: Top installation (WAS Re: A Few Q's)
SUPERCHARGED OLDS!!!
Re: Leaking Lena
Cam Change
Re: old headlights
Date:	Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:18:46 -0400
Cutlass/VC Windshield?
Power chips and Stats
Re: Power chips and Stats
Re:
Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?
Re: Power chips and Stats
Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?
Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?
Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?
weird advice
RE: 455 HP
Re: Top installation (WAS Re: A Few Q's)
Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
weird advice -Reply
Re: HEI rebuild -Reply -Reply
Re: Leaking Lena
Re: weird advice -Reply
Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?
Re: HEI rebuild -Reply -Reply
Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?
1968 442 / GM A body, spares & misc parts
Re: old headlights
Re: Olds IRC
Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?
Re: Trans Break
Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?
wheels
Re: yet another muff question
68 Sport Steering Wheel
Air Cleaner
Re: SUPERCHARGED OLDS!!!
Re: Ouch goes the Rockit  :(

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 03:04:29 -0400
Subject: Headers, just say yes!

     Sorry, but I have to disagree.  You are all apparently getting too old
     (and I'm only a year away from the big four-oh).  I've had headers on
     virtually _every_ A-body Olds I've ever owned, including the current
     H/O and the 70 W-30.  The 68 will retain the stock manifolds for
     originality, but the 66 will also get headers when the time comes
     ("when the time comes" is defined as the car is a little further along
     than its current stripped hulk sitting in the garage).

     Yes, ground clearance is reduced.  Yes, you will scrape when you pull
     a "Dukes of Hazzard".  Yes, you will have to periodically tighten the
     bolts and replace the collector gaskets.  You also have to check the
     oil and change it every so often, tune the car up, and perform other
     routine maintenance.  I've never had any problems changing the oil
     filter (except for the fact that the primary tubes run directly under
     the dripping filter fitting, resulting in a few seconds of oil smoke
     upon startup).

     Yes, you need to remove the oil filter adapter when installing the
     headers, but not when just changing the filter (at least, not with the
     headers I've used).  Yes, you will need to drop the starter to install
     the headers.  And I will admit that the latest set (second generation
     Kenne-Bell) don't clear the clutch linkage as well as I would like.
     But, come on.  There is no way that the stock manifolds (W/Z
     notwithstanding) will flow as well as headers.  It's just a part of
     the cost of playing the game.

     By the way, I've found two coatings which work very well on headers.
     Aluminum sprayed headers work very well on a daily driver.  The
     aluminim coating is somewhat forgiving to being knicked and looks good
     even when oil is spilled on it.  Porcelain coatings look phenomenal,
     but are considerably more fragile.  I had a set on a car which was
     kept outdoors (OK, outdoors in So Cal) for almost seven years, and the
     porcelain looked almost as good as when the coating was new.  Note
     that this was _not_ a daily driver.  I've not yet tried a set with the
     HPC Jet Hot coating, but I've heard good things.

     As for protecting the coated headers during installation, put the
     headers into trash bags, install the headers, then rip the bags off.

     Joe Padavano
     jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

     66 442
     68 W-30
     69 H/O
     70 W-30

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From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@INETWORLD.NET>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 00:48:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Headers, just say no!

Brad Bowles wrote:
>
>         I'm young.I'm looking for horsepower.  I'm stupid.  I've got
> money/time to burn.  After reading the header posts, I ordered a set
> of Doug Thorley headers from Mondello.  Now I'm really looking forward
> to installing them in my '70 442 with a AT and AC plus all the other
> goodies.

Brad,  Do you still have the old factory exhaust manifolds and if so are
they for sale?

Chris Miller
'68 442
cya442@inetworld.net

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From: HippieJ@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 04:53:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Competition Cams, adjustable valvetrain for Olds

Which catalog were you looking in? I have the Jan/Feb 97 issue and couldn't
find the kit anywhere. Would like to check that out myself.
Thanks,
John
aka
Hippie John

79 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme   260 V-8
84 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme   307 V-8

"As usual a knife wielding maniac, has shown us the way!" - Bart Simpson

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From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 06:57:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Detroit AutoRamma

	John,
		There will be 4 of us going there Saturday about 5:30. We will
be stopping by Mark Prince's car also.

                                                       ___  ___
                                              /     /    / /  /
                                             / __  /  --/ /  /
       Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick /_/ /_/ ___/ /__/ Red

             (MCORNEA@pt8244.pto.ford.com)






,  7:03pm, WMACHINES@aol.com wrote:
> Subject: Re: Detroit AutoRamma
> In a message dated 97-02-10 17:26:52 EST, you write:
>
> << Is anyone going or displaying their car at the AutoRamma this weekend?
>
>  John Richmond
>  Warren, MI
>  richmond@tir.com
>   >>
> I will be there John with my 72 W-30 Olds, please stop by and say hello.
>  Most of buds are coming by Sat evening.  But i will let you know on a
> specific time if you are interested
>
> W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
> 72 442 W-30
>
>-- End of excerpt from WMACHINES@aol.com

------------------------------

From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 07:10:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile dealer

	Tom Stoner,

		Just for info........You had mentioned a few months back that
you had purchased a NEW  W31? back in 1968?? from Charnock Olds in Dearborn.
That dealership has just been sold to Les Stanford as of 1/29/97. Just though
you might want to know.

                                                       ___  ___
                                              /     /    / /  /
                                             / __  /  --/ /  /
       Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick /_/ /_/ ___/ /__/ Red

             (MCORNEA@pt8244.pto.ford.com)

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:03:20 -0400
Subject: Re: old headlights

At 04:40 PM 2/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I had a question about the original headlights that came in the `60s GM
>cars. (T-3s?)  Did someone mention awhile back that there was some company
>that would put a new fillament in them?

I hadn't heard that, but I would imagine it's possible.  What will probably
really ultimately happen is some company will come out with modern halogens
with the "T-3" stamp in the glass.  Then you would have the best of both
worlds:  headlights that both look original and actually illuminate worth a
darn.

>I'm asking because I was at a junkyard friday with a buddy to pull some
>parts of an old cutlass and generally nose around.  He checked the
>headlights on every old wreck there looking for originals to put in his
>skylark. He managed to find four.  He got the headlights, two wiper arms in
>very nice condition, and the cowl screen off of the cutlass, all for $10.
>Pretty good price considering some guy at carlisle was trying to sell the
>lights for $6 each.

I believe I saw somewhere (Fusick Catalog?) that they would sell you a set
of four (hi and lo beams) for $80.


**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
**************************************

------------------------------

From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 01:55:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Competition Cams, adjustable valvetrain for Olds

HippieJ@aol.com wrote:
>
> Which catalog were you looking in? I have the Jan/Feb 97 issue and couldn't
> find the kit anywhere. Would like to check that out myself.
> Thanks,
> John
> aka
> Hippie John
>
> 79 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme   260 V-8
> 84 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme   307 V-8
>
> "As usual a knife wielding maniac, has shown us the way!" - Bart Simpson

O, sorry about that, it actually was a JEGS catalog from like last May.
I didn't have it with me when I posted the article, but I would think
that Summit would carry them anyway, they don't seem to advertise a
whole lot of Olds parts.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

------------------------------

From: Teresa Stump <tstump@pacbell.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:37:30 -0400
Subject: Introduction

I sent a quick note yesterday and thought I better take a few minutes to
introduce us!
We are the Stump family from Fresno Ca.
We have almost completed the total rebuild of a 63 Olds Dynamic 88
My husband bought it for a dollar a while back, but has since put quite
a bit more than that into it.
We actually pick it up form being painted today!
Well anyways....Just wanted to give you some info.
Thanks,
Teresa

------------------------------

From: Teresa Stump <tstump@pacbell.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:47:05 -0400
Subject: Need digest form!

Hey all...how do I get this in digest form...
WOW There are alot of "OLDS" people out there!

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:58:13 -0400
Subject: Top installation (WAS Re: A Few Q's)

I complained:

> >Big Red has the J.C. Whitney black top the P.O. put on it -- the main
reason > >I only drive on sunny days, with the top down.  Originally came with
a white > >top according to the body tag, and that's whats going on this
year..

Brad in CT asks:

>         Hey Tim, After you install the new top on Big Red, could you let me
> know         how it came out? I need to put a new top on my 68 and I heard
> that it         ain't very fun or easy. It would be nice to hear some war
> stories from         someone who's done it before I attempt it myself!!

Well... I ain't gonna be doing it :)

There's a great place in Natick, Mass, called "Adolph's Tops".  Over the
years, they have put new tops on my various convertibles, and always did an
exemplary job.  Adolph himself is now semi-retired, but he pops in now and
again, and his son does great work too.  They also do seat reupholstering and
such.

I'd rather spend the $$$ and *know* the top installation is done right for
the long term (and guaranteed!), rather than attempt something like this,
especially with cosmetic as well as  functional significance, and botch it.

FWIW, I tried to bring the car in last year for the new top, and they said
I should replace the front bow before they do the job; I was shown where
corrosion was bubbling under the current top, which would eat its way through
a new installation in 1 - 2 years without being replaced.  As they didn't do
that work, I opted to wait until this year -- found the bow and will be
putting it in after Big Red comes out of hibernation.

Yeah, it's a difference of spending $200 or so for the top itself and doing it
myself, or spending $700 for them to do it; but I figure the $500 on labor
is better than the PITa in my doing the top a coupla times due to poor
installation... plus, I just don't have the time to do it.

Sorry for the long-winded sermon, but I thought this was an issue for all
topless owners here to consider...



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 04:03:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Introduction

Teresa Stump wrote:
>
> I sent a quick note yesterday and thought I better take a few minutes to
> introduce us!
> We are the Stump family from Fresno Ca.
> We have almost completed the total rebuild of a 63 Olds Dynamic 88
> My husband bought it for a dollar a while back, but has since put quite
> a bit more than that into it.
> We actually pick it up form being painted today!
> Well anyways....Just wanted to give you some info.
> Thanks,
> Teresa

Teresa,

Welcome & congratulations.  Getting it to the painting stage is a
fulfilling experience.  You are definately on your way.  Possibly you
can describe the car a little.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "Kenneth G. Holland Jr." <rottin@coil.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:36:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Competition Cams, adjustable valvetrain for Olds

Shang wrote:

> O, sorry about that, it actually was a JEGS catalog from like last May.
> I didn't have it with me when I posted the article, but I would think
> that Summit would carry them anyway, they don't seem to advertise a
> whole lot of Olds parts.
>
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Cutlass "S"
- --

 Summit has the setup your talking about.  I picked one up the last time
I
was down in Akron.  I havent installed them yet, but I'm pretty sure
afew
people on the list have em.



rottin@coil.com

67 442 Convertible 4speed
68 442 ???Munci M-21/TH400??? so many decisions..

------------------------------

From: "Kenneth G. Holland Jr." <rottin@coil.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:56:12 -0400
Subject: Trans Break

I'm building a 68 442 for strip.  I have all the goodies to put in an
M-21 close ratio trans(car is an original 4 speed so pedal is there).
I also have a TH400(69 GTO).

  My question is what would do me better?  The TH400 w/Trans
Break,manual valve body,4000 stall converter, or the M-21 w/HP clutch?

  I plan on running the fat 2" primary headers so clearance will me an
issue.

rottin@coil.com
67 442 Convertible 4 speed
68 442 ???M-21/TH400???

------------------------------

From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:35:19 -0400
Subject: RE: old headlights

Year One sells a T-3 reproduction set for $99.95. The set includes 2 high and
2 low beams.

Bobby

70 442 (Escape Back to the....Past)
______________________________________________________________________________
_ From: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Tue, Feb 11, 1997 8:08 AM Subject: Re:
old headlights To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

At 04:40 PM 2/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I had a question about the original headlights that came in the `60s GM
>cars. (T-3s?)  Did someone mention awhile back that there was some company
>that would put a new fillament in them?

I hadn't heard that, but I would imagine it's possible.  What will probably
really ultimately happen is some company will come out with modern halogens
with the "T-3" stamp in the glass.  Then you would have the best of both
worlds:  headlights that both look original and actually illuminate worth a
darn.

>I'm asking because I was at a junkyard friday with a buddy to pull some
>parts of an old cutlass and generally nose around.  He checked the
>headlights on every old wreck there looking for originals to put in his
>skylark. He managed to find four.  He got the headlights, two wiper arms in
>very nice condition, and the cowl screen off of the cutlass, all for $10.
>Pretty good price considering some guy at carlisle was trying to sell the
>lights for $6 each.

I believe I saw somewhere (Fusick Catalog?) that they would sell you a set
of four (hi and lo beams) for $80.


**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
**************************************


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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 05:23:42 -0400
Subject: Re: old headlights

>I believe I saw somewhere (Fusick Catalog?) that they would sell you a set
>of four (hi and lo beams) for $80.

I saw the same thing, but I thought it was a Year One catalog.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:44:10 -0400
Subject: Re: B-Post molding

Andrew A. Senko wrote:

> Where have you looked?  It would be good to know where you've already
> checked before we make suggestions.

I tried Year One and USA Parts Supply.

> Drew
>
> P.S.  If you haven't checked anywhere at all, then shame on you!

GOSH DAD!  I really did look. ;-)


Chris Sparks

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From: Teresa Stump <tstump@pacbell.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:48:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Welcome

Thanks Bill!
I am hoping to have a picture up on my sad little web site by next week.
I will let you know.
Thanks again for the welcome.
Teresa

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:48:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Headers, just say yes!

Ah yes, poor Joe has baked his brain in the California sun.  He must
also be one of those physically fit (ie skinny) guys.  You may think
headers are worth the trouble for a street engine, but I don't think so.
But hey, each to his own.  I will open mine up at the strip once in a
while this year.  If it wasn't for that I would have installed the
manifolds.  It can be tough to hear your car when racing someone with
open headers.  I bought the Ultra-Seal gaskets for the header to head
connection and Uni-Seal donuts for the header to exhaust.  I hope to
reduce the maintenance on these two items.  As far as re-tightening
goes, it is a ritual when checking the oil.  I hope this set last longer
than the old ones, I only got 12.5 years out of them.


Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:03:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Top installation (WAS Re: A Few Q's)

> Tim Churchill complained:
>
>>>Big Red has the J.C. Whitney black top the P.O. put on it -- the main
reason >>>I only drive on sunny days, with the top down.  Originally came with
a white >>>top according to the body tag, and that's whats going on this
year.. > > Brad in CT asked: > > > Hey Tim, After you install the new top on
Big Red, could you let me > > know how it came out? I need to put a new top on
my 68 and I heard > > that it ain't very fun or easy. It would be nice to hear
some war > > stories from someone who's done it before I attempt it myself!! >


  To which Tim retorted:

> Well... I ain't gonna be doing it :)


I had the top on my 71 CS replaced last summer.  For what it's worth, the
top was manufactured by Crown and it came with a 72 month (6 year!)
warranty IF IT IS INSTALLED BY A PROFESSIONAL.  If you install it yourself,
you save some money and get a nice top, but no warranty.

I paid $580 for parts and labor.  Parts included the new top, new pads, new
well, and a new glass rear window.  If you have an existing glass window,
you don't need to replace it, and that can make the cost lower.  Or you
could replace it with a plastic window and that would also keep the costs
lower.
- --
                    _
                    |\            Convertibles
     .__====-_._____|_\______         Rule!                        Drew Senko
     [   ___  |-     |  ___  \                           senko@reston.ans.net
     =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)               http://members.aol.com/drewinva
_________\_/____________\_/__________________________________________________

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From: Matthew Butler <matthewbutler@fsd.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 10:25:10 -0400
Subject: SUPERCHARGED OLDS!!!

Howdy All!!!

Well, I finally did it.  I took a day and made a lot of calls and found out
what sort of options were available for putting a BLOWER on a 455 or
any other Olds for that matter.  There are many choices out there.  The
first is:

Hampton Blowers Inc.
11255 Woodruff Ave.
Unit C, Dept PHR
downey, CA. 90241
(310) 803-9484

I talked with the owner "Don Hampton".  He was extremely helpfull!!!  He
informed me that BDS and he were the only two companies in the world
that make a Roots-Type blower for Oldsmobile.  When I asked him what
the differences were between his blowers and BDS he told me "I've got
43 years of f*cking experience".  Sounds like a guy who knows what he
is talking about!!!!

Don makes a 6-71 kit for a 455 that will run you about $2900 and
includes everything needed for the installatioin of a BLOWER except the
dual carbs, Kinsler injection or what ever type of fuel delivery system
you choose to use.  The kit comes polished for that price.

Don was actually wrong about the there only being two companies that
make a blower for the Olds.  Our friends at Dave Smith Engineering do
make a Blower setup.

Dave Smith Engineering
Corona, California
(909) 371-7040

It consists of a B&M 174 single carb(the smallest blower that B&M
makes), a manifold(looks like a modified Torker) and all the hardware
needed.  DSE asks a healthy $2400 for this setup.  Given the options so
far I would have to go with the Hampton.  If you going to fork out that kind
of cash, I want a big 6-71 with dual carbs, wouldn't you?

The next option is Blower Drive Service Inc. (BDS).

Blower Drive Service
12140 E. Washington Blvd.
Dept PHR
Whitter, CA 90606-2692
(310)693-4302

They also sell a 6-71 or a 8-71 setup for a 455.  I only got prices on the
8-71 which was $2400 unpolished and an extra $430 for a polished kit.
There kit includes a manifold and all the hardware needed for the
installation.  Again, you must supply your own fuel dilivery system.  But,
the prices keep getting better.

The last company that I  found that claims they make blower setups for
Olds was:

Dyer's Machine Service
7665 W. 63rd St.
Dept. PHR
Summit, IL 60501
(708)496-8100

Unfortunetly, the entire shop was down in Daytona for the race and I
wasn't able to talk with anyone, but I will call them next week and find
out what their prices etc. etc. are.

The next item that I looked into was ignition timing.  Talked to a couple of
speed shops here in DC and was told that I would have to recurve what
ever distributor I am going to use.  Even if I buy a new MSD billet it has to
be done.  Doing this will apparently stop denotation from happening.  With
ignition, its a matter of how much you want to spend.  There are all types
of ideas out there to control retarding of timing as boost pressure goes
up, but I was told that using my MSD 6AL and a recurved distributer will
be just fine for my marine application.

I know, I know why don't I use MSD's marine box.  Well, I have a jet boat
that I use on only fresh water on nice days.  The inside of my boat never
sees water, rain or salt.  Why then would I want to spend an extra $250
for a box with the word MARINE on it and have to add a rev limiter to
boot.  Those folks at MSD are no dummies.  They know that you can put
a little more epoxy on something slap the word marine on it and double
the price and most people will buy it!!!

So know there is only one more problem area.  That weak bottem end
that all BB Olds have.  That I don't know about yet.  Any of you out there
know what sort of horse power a standard bottem or a strapped one
can take?  Judging from the 750HP 455 on the modello site, NOT MUCH!!!

Well, I hope that sheds some light on the whole Blower discussion.  Can't
deside if I am going to take the dive and build one.  Need to have
confidence that the bottem end will hold together, but for the amount that
could be spent on making nicer heads(P&P, close the heat riser, and lift
the level between the 2 and 3 exhaust outlets) you could forgo that work
and make a nice down payment on a blower.  Don't have to have great
flow when you pumping the air in.

If anyone can tell me about the bottem end or has built a Blown 455 I
would love to hear you ideas/experience.

Thanks,

Matt Butler

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:14:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Leaking Lena

Hi All,

Well Leaking Lena has sprung another leak.  I noticed on the passenger
side of the car, behind the front wheel well, going along the frame, a
gasoline leak.  There seems, by touching the area and not really seeing
it, to be gas leaking from a rubber fitting connected to a small pipe.
Argh!  This car sure acts like it has the Cl*p (no applauses please!).
So far to date I think I still have an oil leak (as evidenced by going
through a quart of oil in a month's time.  I think the rockers covers
are not sealed properly), a tranny leak (speedo cable thing), and now a
gas leak.  Will this car ever stop?

I did my birch for the day.

Chris Sparks
68 442 (seeping from all corners)

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From: Steven Magnolia <Steven_Magnolia@hp.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:20:11 -0400
Subject: Cam Change

I was intrested in replacing the stock 69 400 cam with the W30 cam.
Except for the replacment of the lifters, are there any fit problems,
valve interference?

Where can I find the Cam or the Cam specifications ie: lift and
duration.

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:15:52 -0400
Subject: Re: old headlights

>I had a question about the original headlights that came in the `60s GM
>cars. (T-3s?)  Did someone mention awhile back that there was some company
>that would put a new fillament in them?  I seem to remember someone saying
>don't throw any away because they are salvageable.

That might have been me, saying they were "saleable". Looks similar but
has much fewer consonants.  :-)

>Just wondering if he should keep them even if they don't work.

If they work, certainly keep them. But I kind of think that if
they're burned out, well, you have to draw the line _somewhere_
and these are not the most rare parts being hunted for. They
were not unique to some particular make or model of car, for
instance, only to a particular range of years for each variant
of T-3 produced.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: "Jeri Bailey" <jlbailey@djj.state.fl.us>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:18:46 -0400
Subject: Date:	Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:18:46 -0400

My husband has a 1979 Oldsmobile Hurst Black/Gold.  We would like to know
the blue book value of it.  It is in excellent condition.  He also has a
1968 Oldsmobile Cutlas (S) convertable, and would like to know its value.
AND we have a 1987 Oldsmobile 442, FOR SALE.  The 442 is Black/Gray;
Auotmatic; T-Tops; Power windows and Doors; Dark Tint; and nice Rims.  We
are asking $4500.00, or best offer.

Any information that you can give me on the Hurst and Cutlas, would be
greatly apprerciated!!

Thank you.

Jeri Bailey
jlbailey@djj.state.us

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From: "Delk, Mitch S" <msdelk@ingr.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 11:10:36 -0400
Subject: Cutlass/VC Windshield?

Question....

Will a '72 Vista Cruiser windshield fit a '71 Cutlass hardtop? (Holiday
Coupe if that makes a difference)

Thank you!
Mitch

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From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:33:58 -0400
Subject: Power chips and Stats

Hey everyone,
     I was just wondering if any of you have tried a Hypertech power chip
and power thermostat. I have thought of putting these on my '87 Cutlass but
I wanted to see what you all thought first. Thanks in advance.

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:35:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Power chips and Stats

>     I was just wondering if any of you have tried a Hypertech power chip
>and power thermostat.

What is a power thermostat? Can someone explain?

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 06:44:31 -0400
Subject: Re:

Jeri Bailey wrote:
>
> My husband has a 1979 Oldsmobile Hurst Black/Gold.  We would like to know
> the blue book value of it.  It is in excellent condition.  He also has a
> 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlas (S) convertable, and would like to know its value.
> AND we have a 1987 Oldsmobile 442, FOR SALE.  The 442 is Black/Gray;
> Auotmatic; T-Tops; Power windows and Doors; Dark Tint; and nice Rims.  We
> are asking $4500.00, or best offer.
>
> Any information that you can give me on the Hurst and Cutlas, would be
> greatly apprerciated!!
>
> Thank you.
>
> Jeri Bailey
> jlbailey@djj.state.us

Jeri,

Value has a lot to do with condition (you didn't state thatcompletely),
color, options, model, & desirability.  Oldsmobiles are not as desirable
as Chevy's & usually sell for less (suits me).  Convertibles followed by
hardtops are the most desirable models.  Usually the more options the
better or a special set of options such as ONLY the high performance
options or some very limited production wheels or steering wheels,
etc..  Dark colors, black, red, & usually white enhance value.  Of
course condition is prime.  Most people want a #2 car, but at #3 price.
Modifications must be done judiciously.  Any really special
modifications must fit the needs of the buyer.  If they don't, they will
devalue the car.  minor modifications (easily reversable) are usually
factored in no worse than any defect from perfection.  Some "minor"
modifications such as headers can become major if the buyer cannot
obtain rare expensive exhaust manifolds easily.

After all that beating around the bush, I cannot tell you values as my
"Old Cars Price Guide" is packed away out of reach.  I am sure that
others have something like that handy & will help based upon the 6
classifications ranging from parts car to better-than-new show car.  Of
course you & your husband have some of the more desirable Oldsmobiles.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 06:47:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?

Delk, Mitch S wrote:
>
> Question....
>
> Will a '72 Vista Cruiser windshield fit a '71 Cutlass hardtop? (Holiday
> Coupe if that makes a difference)
>
> Thank you!
> Mitch

I am sure that it won't.  You must have a 2 door one.  1968-72 will all
fit.  I have gone through this for a friend before.  It isn't the advice
that anyone wants to hear when one has found the windshield at the right
price.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:15:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Power chips and Stats

At 12:35 PM 2/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>     I was just wondering if any of you have tried a Hypertech power chip
>>and power thermostat.
>
>What is a power thermostat? Can someone explain?
>
>Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
>Datalogics, Inc.
>101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282
>
>
>
 A power thermostat is a 160 degree thermostat that some how gives you a
cooler, denser charge. This is supposed to only be used with their Thermo
master power chip. Sorry I don't know all the specifics but the bottom line
is that it is supposed to make more power.

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

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From: John Schumacher <jd.schumacher@baylordallas.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:15:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?

When I had my glass put in my 69, the glass company put a new one in for
$145.  Also I had a new one installed in a 71 I used to have for $126.
They should still be available.  If you are searching salvage yards, a
chevelle might be an easier find.

John Schumacher
64 D88
69 442
74 Supreme

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 05:01:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?

>Will a '72 Vista Cruiser windshield fit a '71 Cutlass hardtop? (Holiday
>Coupe if that makes a difference)

I don't know but be careful what you pay for that windshield.  I bought one
new  (maybe nos?  I don't know if they still make them) from a local
automotive glass outfit for $173 back in `94.  Had them come out to the
house and install it in the car and the total bill was $219.07.  Nice work
too.  It was denfinitly worth it not to risk cutting myself or breaking the
new windshield.  Or for that matter breaking the old one in the car that was
allready cracked.  I get nervous around 100 lb slabs of safety glass.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:09:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?

>Had them come out to the
>house and install it in the car and the total bill was $219.07.  Nice work
>too.  It was definitely worth it not to risk cutting myself or breaking the
>new windshield. Or for that matter breaking the old one in the car that was
>already cracked.

Haven't had the pleasure of working with a fully broken one, but those
I've seen in the junkyard are actually pretty flexible and stay in one
piece due to the plastic inner layer. Had to kick one pre-broken one out
one day for access to the dash. But that's not to say that you don't get
nasty little shards of glass everywhere...

> I get nervous around 100 lb slabs of safety glass.

That's nothing; the side and rear glass is what you want to watch out
for. When safety glass fails it goes with a bang (okay, not a loud one)
and completely shatters. Laminated windshield is pretty good by comparison.
Front and rear glass replacement is, for me, like air conditioning work
and major brake repairs: I will happily pay someone else to do it right.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

From: Junior627@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:27:38 -0400
Subject: weird advice

well today at school i was talking to some people about exhaust work...and
someone said not to waste money getting a high flow cat...he suggested just
running a pipe with 1/4" holes drilled in the sides through the existing
cat...he said he did this and it works just like a high flow cat that others
have paid over a hundred dollars on...i was just wondering if there could be
any truth to this guys story or should i stay away from this guy in the chem
labs....

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From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:45:01 -0400
Subject: RE: 455 HP

Here is your request. This is for the 375 HP that is std. in the 70 Toro.

Bowling's Rough Horsepower Calculator

Computation Results:

  Engine Displacement (CID) is 455
  Mean Compression ratio is 10.2
  Engine Revolutions Per Minute is 4600

Computation Results:

  Computed Engine HP is 390

This is for the W34:

Bowling's Rough Horsepower Calculator

Computation Results:

  Engine Displacement (CID) is 455
  Mean Compression ratio is 10.2
  Engine Revolutions Per Minute is 4800

Computation Results:

  Computed Engine HP is 407

Bowling's WEB site's URL is:   http://devserve.cebaf.gov/~bowling/auto.html

Bobby

70 442 (Escape Back to the.....Past)
______________________________________________________________________________
_ From: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Mon, Feb 10, 1997 6:30 PM Subject: Re:
455 HP To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca


> I just went to the Bowling's WEB site and pluged in the information to
> determine the HP for a 70 455 365 HP. I have always wanted to know if the
HP
> rateing is correct for this engine. Using the rough HP calculator here is
the

How about running it on a '70 Toro 455?


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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:32:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Top installation (WAS Re: A Few Q's)

- ----------
> From: Timothy A. Churchill <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
> To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Top installation (WAS Re: A Few Q's)
> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 1997 7:58 AM
>
>
> Brad in CT asks:
>
> >         Hey Tim, After you install the new top on Big Red, could you
let me
> > know         how it came out? I need to put a new top on my 68 and I
heard
> > that it         ain't very fun or easy. It would be nice to hear some
war
> > stories from         someone who's done it before I attempt it myself!!
>
>I do upholstery work from my home. I have had no training. I just take
apart and put it back the way I took it apart. I have done a convertable
top ( from JC Whitney) and it wasn't that hard and it did look very good!
It was for about a '70 cougar but it is the same as our '66 olds. The back
window is a separate piece. I used the book "Car Interior Restoration 3rd
Edition " by Terry Boyce. It walks you through it and the book can be
bought at most book stores. Plan on spending most of a day on it as you
will probably go slow as to 'do it right'. It really isn't that hard. You
will need a staple gun and possibly a hair dryer. The Fisher Body manual
also has top replacement instructions and adjustments.
Hope that this helps. Oh, a friend  to lend moral support isn't bad either.
:)
Mary Jones
'66 Delta 88 convertable

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From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:45:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

want rally guage set for 70-72 cutlass in I guess any condition... can you
help?

Mark Heiser
Va Becah, VA  490-8652

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From: Matthew Butler <matthewbutler@fsd.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 14:46:24 -0400
Subject: weird advice -Reply

If I understand what your saying, this guy has just bypassed the cat.  It
sounds like a nice workaround for having the appearence of emissions
equipment without using it(which I am sure none of us has ever done ;>)
).  Do you have to have your car sniffed for emissions?  If you do, I
would put the high flow cat on.  If you don't, why even drill any holes in
it.  Just bypass the thing altogether.

The more flow, the faster you go!!!

CYA,

Matt Butler

>>> <Junior627%aol.com@fsd.com> 02/11/97 01:27pm >>>
well today at school i was talking to some people about exhaust
work...and someone said not to waste money getting a high flow cat...he
suggested just running a pipe with 1/4" holes drilled in the sides through
the existing cat...he said he did this and it works just like a high flow cat
that others have paid over a hundred dollars on...i was just wondering if
there could be any truth to this guys story or should i stay away from
this guy in the chem labs....

------------------------------

From: Matthew Butler <matthewbutler@fsd.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 09:32:25 -0400
Subject: Re: HEI rebuild -Reply -Reply

Howdy!!!

An MSD box, which I have(6AL), and a MSD distributer are two different
animals.  One of the bueatiful things about a MSD box is that it can
accept almost any type of triggering.  But, the box is still limited to the
distributer and the curve that it has for going to wide open.

If you don't have an MSD box I would suggest getting one.  They are
great!!! and cheap.  I use a 6AL, which cost me about $150 three years
ago.  It gives me multiple spark and a rev limiter.  Not to mention better
performance.



>>> Dan Lacey <lacey%dsea.com@fsd.com> 02/11/97 01:07am >>>
>I just talked to a speed shop in the DC area today about recurving a HEI.
>They wanted $50.  Seems a lot better than $350 for a MSD unit...
>
>>>> Suzanne Rousseau <ewok%clarkston.com@fsd.com> 02/10/97
>02:02am >>>
>                  Can someone tell me how much I should pay for a
rebuildable
>HEI core?  There are five or six small block HEI's at my local junkyard
that
>I could rebuild for my 455.  Also, how much time & money would go into
>rebuliding & recurving one?  My original points distributor needs work,
so
>I figured I'd invest in an HEI.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Paul Rousseau
>*1967 442

An MSD is not quite the same fish... It does provide some very good
ideas like multiple spark, rev. limiting, etc.

I would agree that it IS getting into the realm of diminishing returns...

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:05:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Leaking Lena

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> Well Leaking Lena has sprung another leak.  I noticed on the passenger
> side of the car, behind the front wheel well, going along the frame, a
> gasoline leak.

When I picked up my '71, one of the first things I did was replace _ALL_
the rubber in the fuel system.  When I cornered with more than a half
tank of gas I'd have drips follwing me.  I replaced all the vapor lines
at the fuel tank (looked like swiss cheese) and the the rubber in the
engine bay as well.  I might not mind a small oil drip, but will not
stand for any gas leaking (I smoke).

> Will this car ever stop?

YOU NEED TO FIX THE BRAKES FIRST!!!!

Seriously, if these are original hoses they are 30 years old!!!  If
they're not original, they're probably at least 10 years old.  I pick
one item at a time to fix (failures supersede my pick) and while I'm at
it I check out, rebuild or replace other items in close proximity while
I'm there.  Recently had to rebuild a caliper (LONG story, maybe another
time) and ended up deciding to rebuild both calipers, install new wheel
bearings (I don't know how old they were) and replaced the brake lines.

Kurt
71 442

------------------------------

From: Junior627@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 15:10:23 -0400
Subject: Re: weird advice -Reply

In a message dated 97-02-11 13:57:24 EST, you write:

<<  Do you have to have your car sniffed for emissions?  If you do, I
 would put the high flow cat on.  If you don't, why even drill any holes in
 it.  Just bypass the thing altogether. >>


we live in new york so we have to get emmission tested...once a year...but
not if you know someone...

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 07:29:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?

>Haven't had the pleasure of working with a fully broken one, but those
>I've seen in the junkyard are actually pretty flexible and stay in one
>piece due to the plastic inner layer.

Yeah, what's the reason for that?  Is it so the windshield can put up with
more abuse than the side glass and still keep from cutting you up in a
wreck? Or is it so that most of the broken glass will (hopefully) stick to
the plastic where it will do the least harm?(or maybe it's for both reasons)
I know that they're awfully strong.  As a kid I was known to bounce an
ocassional rock off of the windshield of an old junker.  Two 9-year olds can
work pretty hard trying to break the glass out of a pinto.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser

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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:05:13 -0400
Subject: Re: HEI rebuild -Reply -Reply

>Howdy!!!
>
>An MSD box, which I have(6AL), and a MSD distributer are two different
>animals.  One of the bueatiful things about a MSD box is that it can
>accept almost any type of triggering.  But, the box is still limited to the
>distributer and the curve that it has for going to wide open.
>
>If you don't have an MSD box I would suggest getting one.  They are
>great!!! and cheap.  I use a 6AL, which cost me about $150 three years
>ago.  It gives me multiple spark and a rev limiter.  Not to mention better
>performance.
>
>
>

You can't get them for $150 anymore...:-(


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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:43:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?

>Yeah, what's the reason for that?  Is it so the windshield can put up with
>more abuse than the side glass and still keep from cutting you up in a
>wreck?

I think that's about it; by keeping the sharp pieces together they are
less likely to cut you. To a certain extent it can also keep you inside
the car, but if you made it as far as the windshield you probably were
not wearing your seat belt and are already in a bit of a mess from hitting
the glass.

The safety glass in the other windows would seem to be a safer choice
for a windshield than the laminated design, but it's not, since anything
striking it hard enough to crack laminated glass will cause complete and
immediate failure of safety glass.

That's not to say that it hasn't been used in windshields; cheaper cars
in England had it (the laminated windshield was an option!) and it would
occasionally break in use if a stone was thrown up from the vehicle in
front or whatever. In rest areas along the motorways there you'd see
little piles of safety glass from where someone had to pull over to get
rid of the remains of their cheap windshield (in advanced motoring they'd
teach you that if your windshield shattered, you were supposed to punch
your fist through the remainder in order to give yourself a hole to see
through so you could come to a safe stop). One accessory you carried with
your jumper cables was an emergency plastic windshield, kind of like a
clear shower curtain with magnets on it, so you could get home again.
The good old days of motoring...  :-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:59:21 -0400
Subject: 1968 442 / GM A body, spares & misc parts

>From the hot rod mail list:

My 442 was stolen, and my insurance company has paid me a small amount
as its 'value'. I have lots of parts left. Here is an incomplete list,
if anyone is interested in anything specific, drop me a line. I am in
southern california.  I really want to get rid of this stuff, and I
would like to see it go to a good home, rather than a trash can.

Muncie M-20 trans, very good condition
Set of anti-roll bars, OEM
Set of anti-roll bars from Quickor
Fan shroud - new, never installed
Wiring harness - mostly complete
Oldmobile service manual, 1968 pretty good condition,
1971 Ford manual set (4 books),
several 442 related books,
Front grill, minor damage,
drivers side fender,
Center console for stick shift, minor damage.
Oil pan, some header parts, lots of disk brake stuff for front and
ford 9" rear, some exterior trim pieces, hood 'grills',
Jacobs box, lots of other stuff.

Jeff turbo Deifik turbo@weasel.com jdeifik@weasel.com

[ Where is the stuff located?  Shipping will add to the cost of these
items.

Once again we find insurace incompetence, bordering on fraud, in the
hotrod arena.  If you have a car that has value beyond what the 'blue
book' says, seek out a competent insurance agent.  This is a remarkably
hard task.

I am very lucky that my wife is a highly educated insurance
underwriter, and knows the way insurance works.  Like in law, at to a
certian extent medicine, there are magic incantations that get things
done.  The specific words you want to say are "True Agreed Value
Policy".  No other form of insurance will cover specialty cars that are
not used for racing.  This is a specialty market, and there are lots of
dumb insurance people.  If you want results, insist on talking to
sombody that is "CPCU".  This designation means that the person has a
certain level of competence, typically a 4-year college degree followed
by at least ten semesters of insurance study.  VERY few insurance
agents are CPCU.  Find one and say the magic words.  --FEP ]

------------------------------

From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:30:40 -0400
Subject: Re: old headlights

>I believe I saw somewhere (Fusick Catalog?) that they would sell you a set
>of four (hi and lo beams) for $80.

...and I will sell you a set of four for $20!

- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:25:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds IRC

>I would prefer setting up a regular place to meet every night.  Once this
place is established lets keep using it

Yes, I like this idea...

- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:45:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

At 02:45 PM 2/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>want rally guage set for 70-72 cutlass in I guess any condition... can you
>help?
>
>Mark Heiser
>Va Becah, VA  490-8652


Mark
        Haven't got aby right now. I am looking for a set for a friend
already. Sorry.

Jim>

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:45:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?

At 11:10 AM 2/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Question....
>
>Will a '72 Vista Cruiser windshield fit a '71 Cutlass hardtop? (Holiday
>Coupe if that makes a difference)
>
>Thank you!
>Mitch


NO but it will fit a 4 door.

Jim Chermack>

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:45:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Trans Break

At 09:56 AM 2/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm building a 68 442 for strip.  I have all the goodies to put in an
>M-21 close ratio trans(car is an original 4 speed so pedal is there).
>I also have a TH400(69 GTO).
>
>  My question is what would do me better?  The TH400 w/Trans
>Break,manual valve body,4000 stall converter, or the M-21 w/HP clutch?
>
>  I plan on running the fat 2" primary headers so clearance will me an
>issue.
>
>rottin@coil.com
>67 442 Convertible 4 speed
>68 442 ???M-21/TH400???
>

Of all the cars I've ever raced, the automatic is the way to go for
consistancy. It should hold up longer than the stick and couse alot less
abuse on the rest of the drive train. If your good at cutting a light the
auto will kill the stick every time.

Jim Chermack>

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:07:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?

Someone was asking about interchangeability of windshields between
4-doors, wagons, coupes and convertibles. I got out my parts book and
while it isn't totally clear (pun intended) it looks like there's quite a
bit of interchangeability. For example in 1969 they list a total of 4
windshields. Eliminate the tinted vs. non-tinted difference and there are
2 windshields: those for model 69, then all the others. According to the
book, model 69 is a 4-door sedan.

This sounds like a job for Bill Culp and his Hollander book...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "Craig J. Smith" <craigs@dancris.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:14:04 -0400
Subject: wheels

I am considering replacing the simulated wire wheel covers on my 68 442
with Superstock I wheels.  A local yard quoted me $200 for a set with
all the chrome.  Is this a reasonable price?  Are my simulated wire
wheel covers (orginal equipment) worth anything?

Thanks in advance.

Craig Smith
68 442 convertible

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From: Brian S Steinbach <bssst19+@pitt.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 17:59:58 -0400
Subject: Re: yet another muff question

On Mon, 10 Feb 1997 Junior627@aol.com wrote:

> In a message dated 97-02-08 16:45:04 EST, you write:
>
> << Nicolo,
>
>  	Your car should be the same underneath as the 1984 Hurst/Olds.  I
>  have a 1985 Cutlass Supreme with the 231 V6 and I am considering putting
>  the exhaust from the Hurst/Olds on my car.  It's a single cat, dual
>  muffler.  The layout looks like this.
>
>
>  			
>  			| |      | |
>  		         | |    | | Pipes from Engine
>  			  | |  | |
>  			   | || |
>  			    |  |
>  			    |  |
>  			  --------
>  			  |      |  Cat
>  			  |      |
>         			  --------
>  			    |  |
>  			    |  |
>  			   / /\ \
>  			  / /  \ \ Y-Pipe
>  			 / /    \ \  (Intermediate Pipe)
>  			/ /      \ \
>  		       / /        \ \
>  	  	      -----      -----
>  		      |   |      |   |  Mufflers
>                        |   |      |   |
>  		      -----      -----
>  		       | |        | |
>  		      / /          \ \
>  		     / /            \ \
>  			Rear of Car
>
>  	I hoped this helped.
>
>
>  Brian Steinbach >>
>
> what have you heard about gains from this system how does it sound...
>


I heard that this exhaust sounds better than the original single exhaust.
I think that it will get you better gas mileage, and keep the car cooler.

Brian Steinbach

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:29:07 -0400
Subject: 68 Sport Steering Wheel

Does anyone know if the sport steering wheel used in the '68 Cutlass was
the same (except for the center cap) as the one used in the '68 Corvette?
They look pretty similar and apparently the Corvette ones can be had for a
price. I have had zero luck finding a Cutlass sport wheel.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Brian S Steinbach <bssst19+@pitt.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:26:23 -0400
Subject: Air Cleaner

	I was wondering if anybody knows were to get a Dual Snorkel
Air Cleaner Assembly for a 1984 Hurst/Olds.  Were would I have to order
this from?

Brian Steinbach






































































































































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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:47:41 -0400
Subject: Re: SUPERCHARGED OLDS!!!

>The last company that I  found that claims they make blower setups for
>Olds was:
>
>Dyer's Machine Service
>7665 W. 63rd St.
>Dept. PHR
>Summit, IL 60501
>(708)496-8100

I know these guys make blowers for Buick 455's too, so there's a good
chance.  (I've got a b/w picture of one.)

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 18:47:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Ouch goes the Rockit  :(

>        Hey Charlie, Sorry to hear about your accident. I hope everything
>turns         out all right for you. One thing I have been wondering, what
>does the         name of your Buick stand for? I can't figure it out. Make
>sure your             buddy sues the other driver for his pain and
>suffering, too.
>

Thanks.  The bad news is that she ~officially~ has no insurance.  The
paper's write-up showed her with a DUI, Careless Driving, No Insurance, and
Invalid Driver's License.  The newspaper ~didn't~ mention that the plates
expired in '94.....  I think she said she's facing over $750 in fines (my
heart ~bleeds~ for her ;)  I've got estimates varying between $1600 and
$2500 in body damage to mine :o  There was also a $1500 one, but I don't
think I'd let the guy paint my grandmother's fingernails!  His ~first~ words
to me as he looked at the Rockit:  "What year monte carlo is that?"  Pissed
me off right there!  He went on to try telling me what part numbers I need,
and that the ones I pointed out wouldn't work because they're from an '82
book, and my car is an '81.  He said I needed ~these~ taillights because
they fit '80 and '81!  What a ****head!  I set him straight, and left his
business card ~out~ of my stack.  My next stop was the GM dealer.  Good for
quoting high.  The guy comes out and starts checking out my car.  The only
emblems on it say Oldsmobile, the rest are gone.  He looks for a while, and
finally asks "umm, is this a 442?"  I almost wrote him a check right there!
Turns out he used to have a '70 Rallye 350.  He was doing really good 'till
he showed me the picture of one of his old Corvettes.  I told him that I'd
never been too fond of Blowties, and explained the spark plug situation.  He
said I should never judge a vehicle based on accessiblity.  I patted him on
the back and said "I ~don't.~  I judge them on how many I leave in the
mirror!"  He didn't know what to say on that one :)  Anyway, they came up
with nearly $2500 for it.  Another figured $2200 with the word "open" next
to a frame question.  The bodyman's dream and insurance man's nightmare :)
The only place I'd dream of having my car touched gave me a $1600 estimate,
and he does excellent work.  I've never seen anything leave his doors that
didn't look 150% perfect.  He's always trying to outdo himself, and doesn't
give the customer a chance to complain.  If there's anything wrong ~at all~
he gets a bit bent out of shape and sands it back down.  It's gotta be
perfect, or he won't let it out of the shop.  That persistance goes miles in
my mind.  He's got a long waiting list, though, but I don't have the $$$
yet, anyway.  I'll just play it by ear.  I still don't know what color I'd
be painting it anyway.

Just out of curiousity, has anyone ~ever~ seen a red (not maroon or
burgandy) mid-80's Cutlass?  Dave Smith had a drag car he painted that color
(with Precisioned Speed) but I've never seen any others.  Just curious, I
don't think I'd go with the color, but I've always wonderred about that...


Brad,
          I think "BT UR 4D" means "Beat Your F*rd".

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

     Yup, exactly.  Goes right along with the back window that asks "Have
You Beaten a Ford...  Lately?"

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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