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oldsmobile-digest        Wednesday, 5 February 1997     Volume 01 : Number 500


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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:37:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Flapper door motor

Previously I blathered:
>Reconnect the hose (manifold->sensor->ThermAC motor) and see if it
>closes the flapper when cold, then lets it open after the engine is
>warmed up.

I am using the word "manifold" way too much... The connections you
need to make are (1) Run a vacuum line from the carb port, where
you found the plugged/capped stub, to either port on the underside
of the temperature sensor; (2) Another line from the other port on
the temperature sensor to the port on the ThermAC motor.

BTW, if you plug a hose with a screw, it really doesn't plug it, does
it? After all, there's this continuous thread/groove running around and
down the length of the screw, and if the hose isn't flexible enough to
squish down into the groove, you've still got a (long, thin) opening to
let air in...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:43:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Rubber boots/covers for ball joints

Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil wrote:

> *********Energy Suspension sells polyurethane boot for ball joints !! Under
> $8 for a set of 4. I got mine from Jeg's mail order.

John,

Who are these guys? I never heard of them.  Do you have a catalog handy to see
if they are available for 66-67 Toros?

Otherwise, could you get the address/phone number for me?

TIA

Sparky
- --
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 05:41:27 -0400
Subject: Re: New Member

Jeff Ferraro wrote:

  Also, granted its not an
> Olds, but my dad and I did one of those father/ son type things a few
> years back and restored/rebuilt a 69 American motors AMX 390 -fun!
> Hopefully, I'll make it out of school to find a great paying job to buy
> more oldsmobiles with :)           JEFF FERRARO

Jeff,

I love those AMX's.  I bought mine new.  See long stupid list of current
cars.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:13:27 -0400
Subject: Christmas in February

Yesterday was the day all of us here at work recieved our bonus checks.
I am going to place a fair sized chunk of it into my 4-4-2.  I dropped
off the wheels to get 4 new radial tires mounted(the first radials for
this car), I will start installing the new headers tonight, and then it
will go to the muffler shop for new pipes and turbo mufflers.  After all
of that is completed I will start rebuilding the front end so it does
not wander so much.  Here in Indiana we had a state moto saying, "Wander
Indiana".  When I drove the Olds it gave new meaning to that phrase!  At
this rate it will be mechanicaly ready to head for Lansing in August.
Of course I will have to fill up with oil and check the gas along the
way, but that is the way it goes sometimes.  Next year I will assemble a
fresh 455 and buy some rear quarters.  It may even get the body work
done before the '98 OCA meet.  After spending money on "neccessities"
all these years, it feels good to buy Olds parts.

"No honey, the kids don't like three meals a day, just two."
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:09:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Talk about Octane

At 11:20 AM 2/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Steven Hoover wrote:
>
>> Here in Dallas, we have SuperFuels that sells 106 octane for $3.54 a
>> gallon, but most of the time I go out to the local airport, purchase
>> about 10 gallons of av-gas and run a 2:20 (2gal av-gas:20 gal super
>> unleaded) and my 10.25:1 350 runs fine at just about any timing
>> setting.
>
>Well I have been trying to find out if I can get AV gas from my local
>airport and it seems that it is against the law to pump gas into my
>car or into a canister.  Argh!!!!!!!!  If I am able to get this gas,
>how much does it cost?
>
>Chris Sparks
>
>
Here 100 Octane low lead is $2./gal.

The Wiz

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 06:07:56 -0400
Subject: Re: In dash stereo suggestions

PaulP34167@aol.com wrote:
>
> You should be able to install any "two-knob" aftermarket stereo with a
> minimum of modifications.  I installed one in my 70 Cutlass and had to
knotch > the stock holes about 0.25 inches to allow it to fit.  The stock
radio will > still fit and the large knobs cover up the modifications. > >
Paul Pate

Now that's the way to update.  It can be done w/thought & research.
What kind was it?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:14:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Thanks to Jeff Easton

Andrew C. Green wrote:
>
> Oh, come on, you guys! What is this, Pick on Andy Day???

Why would today be any different than any other day?

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:24:34 -0400
Subject: Re: In dash stereo suggestions

PaulP34167@aol.com wrote:
>
> You should be able to install any "two-knob" aftermarket stereo with a
> minimum of modifications.  I installed one in my 70 Cutlass and had to
knotch > the stock holes about 0.25 inches to allow it to fit.  The stock
radio will > still fit and the large knobs cover up the modifications. > >
Paul Pate

Hey Paul, when you did that, did the face of the radio fill up the hole?
I want to install a new radio in my '70, but it looks to me like my
factory AM is a little larger than DIN.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 11:36:15 -0400
Subject: RE: Christmas in February

Gee Dave I have been telling my wife parts for the 442 are "neccessities". You
know Food, Clothing, Shelter and Transportation :-)  .

Bobby
70 442
______________________________________________________________________________
_ From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Wed, Feb 5, 1997 11:09 AM Subject:
Christmas in February To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

Yesterday was the day all of us here at work recieved our bonus checks.
I am going to place a fair sized chunk of it into my 4-4-2.  I dropped
off the wheels to get 4 new radial tires mounted(the first radials for
this car), I will start installing the new headers tonight, and then it
will go to the muffler shop for new pipes and turbo mufflers.  After all
of that is completed I will start rebuilding the front end so it does
not wander so much.  Here in Indiana we had a state moto saying, "Wander
Indiana".  When I drove the Olds it gave new meaning to that phrase!  At
this rate it will be mechanicaly ready to head for Lansing in August.
Of course I will have to fill up with oil and check the gas along the
way, but that is the way it goes sometimes.  Next year I will assemble a
fresh 455 and buy some rear quarters.  It may even get the body work
done before the '98 OCA meet.  After spending money on "neccessities"
all these years, it feels good to buy Olds parts.

"No honey, the kids don't like three meals a day, just two."
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2


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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:21:30 -0400
Subject: RE: 455 GA heads

As far as Olds heads go I can honestly say there is next to no =
difference between them ( stock) power wise. They all flow approx the =
same amount of air and will produce power figures within 5% of each =
other. Mind you there are better and worse castings to choose from say =
large vs. small valve, early production vs. smog head but again they are =
so close its definetley not worth buying "C" heads if you own some other =
type. All the performance that is obtainable from an Olds head is =
possible with any head.

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From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:33:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Talk about Octane

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> Steven Hoover wrote:
>
> > Here in Dallas, we have SuperFuels that sells 106 octane for $3.54 a
> > gallon, but most of the time I go out to the local airport, purchase
> > about 10 gallons of av-gas and run a 2:20 (2gal av-gas:20 gal super
> > unleaded) and my 10.25:1 350 runs fine at just about any timing
> > setting.
>
> Well I have been trying to find out if I can get AV gas from my local
> airport and it seems that it is against the law to pump gas into my
> car or into a canister.  Argh!!!!!!!!  If I am able to get this gas,
> how much does it cost?
>
> Chris Sparks

It is against the law to pump it directly into a vehicle here too. I
always truck down there with 2 five gallon cans and they never say
anything. It is $2.55 a gallon here and the 2 cans usually last about a
month.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:36:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Talk about Octane

C.R.F. wrote:
>
> At 11:20 AM 2/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Steven Hoover wrote:
> >
> >> Here in Dallas, we have SuperFuels that sells 106 octane for $3.54 a
> >> gallon, but most of the time I go out to the local airport, purchase
> >> about 10 gallons of av-gas and run a 2:20 (2gal av-gas:20 gal super
> >> unleaded) and my 10.25:1 350 runs fine at just about any timing
> >> setting.
> >
> >Well I have been trying to find out if I can get AV gas from my local
> >airport and it seems that it is against the law to pump gas into my
> >car or into a canister.  Argh!!!!!!!!  If I am able to get this gas,
> >how much does it cost?
> >
> >Chris Sparks
> >
> >
> Here 100 Octane low lead is $2./gal.
>
> The Wiz

Where all do you guys live? In Dallas we are hit with fairly heavy
emissions for anything '74 and up, so they have done away with anything
other than 93 Octane Super Unleaded. AV gas and SuperFuels are my only
two known options.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:36:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Power Antenna

Chris Sparks writes:

> Hi all,

> I have a question about convert from a manual antenna to a power
> one. I noticed in Year One that the fully automatic power antenna
> is about $80.  Not a bad price I thought.  Would I have any problem
> switching antennas?

Chris,

While the manual antenna on your '68 442 should be on the right front
fender, the factory power antenna on the 1968 and 1969 A-body
Oldsmobiles (F-85, Cutlass, 442, Hurst/Olds) was on the right rear
fender.  Also, it was not fully automatic (rises when the radio or
ignition is turned on, drops when either is turned off), but
controlled by a switch on the dashboard.  Obviously, if the
replacement antenna from Year One mounts on the front fender, it's
not anything like an original power antenna.  Therefore, this
addition wouldn't be authentic (but probably a nice addition, none
the less).  If it mounts on the rear fender, you're going to end up
with an extra hole left in the front fender.

I would agree that $80 isn't a bad price, if this is of decent
quality.

By the way, if this does replace the manual antenna in the right
front fender, you might have some problems getting access to install
it.  This might be a "fender off" installation.  If that's the case
and your fender is currently nicely aligned with the rest of the
sheet metal, I'd think twice about it.

          ---
 ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ---    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
 --------------------------------------------------

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:29:24 -0400
Subject: Re: In dash stereo suggestions

>Hey Paul, when you did that, did the face of the radio fill up the hole?
>I want to install a new radio in my '70, but it looks to me like my
>factory AM is a little larger than DIN.

They usually are. The aftermarkets (used to) come with a kind of filler
gasket that you'd stick around the nosepiece to fill in the gap. (F*rds
of that era in particular had huge dash cutouts to fill.) I might have
one or two filler gaskets lying around the parents' garage if you're
in dire need. Or you could try trimming some cardboard or sheet plastic
to fit and spraying it flat black...?

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:41:12 -0400
Subject: Re: In dash stereo suggestions

At 11:24 AM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> You should be able to install any "two-knob" aftermarket stereo with a
>> minimum of modifications.  I installed one in my 70 Cutlass and had to
knotch >> the stock holes about 0.25 inches to allow it to fit.  The stock
radio will >> still fit and the large knobs cover up the modifications.

In addition, many two-knob radios have adjustable knobs; that is, they can
be moved closer together or further apart, by about 1/2" or so.

>Hey Paul, when you did that, did the face of the radio fill up the hole?
>I want to install a new radio in my '70, but it looks to me like my
>factory AM is a little larger than DIN.

If there is a difference, there are two ways to mask it or make it less
noticeable:

First, some two-knob radios have an outer faceplate that covers whatever
opening was there (so it doesn't matter *how* much you butcher the stock
opening!); I think the unit I installed in my '70 SX has that kind of
faceplate (no, I didn't butcher anything to make it fit!).

Second, others have a foam or rubber backing that goes behind the factory
opening, and covers the metal up so that any gap between the stock opening
and the aftermarket faceplate is less noticeable. I saw this on a unit on a
bargain table at a nearby electronic superstore. If I went with an
aftermarket unit for the Toro, I'd have to go this route, since the Toro has
an angled, cast-iron dashboard that would be rather difficult (not to
mention hideous) to butcher up.

Oh, and browsing through the Year One catalog, I saw their listing for
conversion of original radios with updated "guts". Nice, if you have $1000
to spend on a an AM/FM radio (well, a cassette unit would _only_ be
$200-$300 more...).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Chris & Robin Miller <cya442@INETWORLD.NET>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:49:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Salvage Yard Dash Pad

Robert J. Lavey wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> I was in a local salvage yard yesterday and found the dash pad and duct work
> for a 1968 Cutlass with heater only.  I've not seen many of these, and this
> one was in very nice shape (the dash pad was perfect, and the duct work had
> one small area that could easily be repaired).  I am thinking of going back
> for it, but if anyone out there is in need of this piece, let me know.  I'll
> find out the yard's price and sell it for same (plus shipping).  The lower
> dash panel (the hard plastic piece) is gone as is the tilt wheel.  The rest
> of the interior is also gone.
>
> Let me know if there is any interest as I will be going back on Saturday.
>
Bob,

Are there any engine parts still in the car?  Looking for the exhaust
manifolds.

Thanks,
Chris Miller
'68 442
cya442@inetworld.net

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From: Doug Ahern <doug@cobra.cosmic.uga.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:04:48 -0400
Subject: Re: leaky 2 speed

I put a th350 in my 64 Olds in place of the original slush-a-way.
like the previous poster said, the rear crossmember obscures the rear
pan bolts, so changing the filter/gasket requires upbolting the
xcrossmember from the tranny and the frame rails and sliding it back
(if you try to do it without doing this it will take twice as long,,
trust me..).  driveshaft will fit just fine, too.

I have the console gear selector, and I can get the selector to put it
in to 1st gear, the L position is 2nd gear, D is drive.  I've been
told I should be able to adjust it, but with my stock selector and linkage
it isn't possible.  there is a plate that controls where the selector
is in park (it locks in a slot), reverse and what not, there simply is
no room or adjustment for it go into 1st.

the th350 uses a detent cable, or kick down cable to inform the transmission
of what the trottle position is.  Don't run without this!  in the past
I've used the mounting bracket from a 70 350cid to mate it to the trottle
linkage.  I've also fabricated my own mount bracket out of aluminum.
I adjusted the detent cable so at WOT, the detent cable was fully extended.
Leaving the detent cable off yields soft slooooow shifts at low rpm
points (WOT 1-2nd shift at 4000rpm),  no 3rd-2nd passing gear kick down,
and a hot transmisson.  Basically, without the detnet cable the transmission
always thinks you are shifting at 2000rpm.

Doug

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From: IRA_H_SIEGELMAN@vnyao.dcmdw.dla.mil (IRA H SIEGELMAN)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 12:08:59 -0400
Subject: 455 cam selection

     I would greatly appreciate it if some of you olds gurus could assist
     me with cam selection for my 455 rebuild. I'm looking for a mild cam
     that would provide a decent idle and would not reduce vacuum too much.
     I understand that the wrong cam (too much lift) could increase the
     chance of coil-bind??? Also,what do I need to know to avoid upsetting
     the valve train geometry during the rebuild?

     P.S. Thanks for all the helpful advice so far.

------------------------------

From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:25:52 -0400
Subject: Larger wheels,Larger tires

Hey everyone,
     I've been toying with the idea of putting on larger wheels and tires on
my '87 Cutlass Supreme. I thought about 15" wheels but would really like 16"
or 17" wheels with low-profile tires. Does anybody know some of the possible
problems that could occur. Are the 16" or 17" wheels just not possible? I
want to have that mean, wide tire look like you see on the corvettes and
others. Thanks in advance!

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

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From: Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:45:43 -0400
Subject: Re: New Archive Set Available

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>

>Thanks for those 4.  I have finally decided to save them.  I am assuming
>that you will post the others again.

Tsk, tsk, Bill.

I've always maintained that this is a one shot deal, as I'm
paying for an otherwise uneeded ISP account just to make these available.

Once I get thru with posting everything, I'll take another look at it.
Maybe I can pay for 20-30 mb of disk space for a week and we can have
a last chance blowout for all the archives or something...

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:42:03 -0400
Subject: AC/Delco

Thought you guys might be interested in this which I just received... fuel
pump went out on '72 Vista a few weeks ago... jobber listing for '72 350 w/
A/C was wrong, that pump had 2 returns and was (I think) for later car.  Pump
I needed was listed for non- A/C cars... checked ACD web site but no parts
lookup function, so I sent them a msg... below is what I received back.
Talked to 800 number (ACDELCO!) and told them of mucked-up listing...

Thank you for visiting the ACDelco Web Site. We are continuously trying to
improve our information network. Your suggestion, regarding the web site
and fuel pump application book, is sincerely appreciated and has been
documented.  In any future coorespondence regarding this suggestion, please
reference case #I9702.

Your comment was:

"Y'OUGHT TO HAVE PARTS LOOKUP HERE; WENT TO GET A FUEL PUMP T'OTHER DAY FOR
'72 CUTLASS AND APPLICATION BOOKS WERE WRONG. OTHERWISE PRETTY GOOD SITE.
WILL CALL 800# ABOUT INCORRECT APPLICATION. DOUG KITCHENER

Thank You!

ACDelco Webmaster

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From: "Steve Reed" <SSREED@IBM.NET>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 07:51:33 -0400
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #499

>From: Escape442@aol.com
>Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 00:28:21 -0400
>Subject: Re: A few questions 4 ya
>
>In a message dated 97-02-04 20:23:17 EST, you write:
>
>>1.  I was wondering if anyone has had a great experience with any high
>>temperature exhaust manifold/header paint?  I've used eastwood's paint
>>and P.O.R. 15's Aluminum 1200' silver paint, on steel shot cleaned
>>manifolds & headers.  I really wasn't impressed by Eastwood's, the
>>paint started to flake off after 6 months or so.  The P.O.R. 15 paint
>>was better it hasn't flaked off but there is rust forming on the
>>manifolds.  I took proper cleaning procedures prior to painting so
>>there wasn't any oil on the manifolds.  If anyone has any suggestions
>>I'd love to hear them.
>
>I cannot imagine what you did to get poor results from Eastwood's Stainless
>Steel paint.  I used this on my headers for a work truck ( which is used
>during salt season) and it held up great.  I sandblasted the parts first and
>then brushed it on and heat cured them. I also used it on some parts that
>needed the "natural metal" look and cured them on my woodstove.
> I have used POR-15 and I really don't see anything great about that product.
> I used it as a base coat for the frame and shot semi-gloss over it and I
>still got some rust. As an experiment, I brushed it on the rusted bumpers of
>another work truck and it started pealing off after 7 months. It seems to me
>that there is NOTHING that will successfully end rust.  The best results I
>have gotten is to sandblast, then epoxy prime with DP-40. Using that as a
>base, I finish with a surfacing primer and then top-coat.   Ed
> Escape442@aol.com

Ed,
   I used Eastwood's paint on my '74 Blazer headers after they were
steel shot cleaned when I lived in Woodstock, NY.  I didn't heat cure
them, like I did with P.O.R. 15's High Temp Aluminum paint on my W/Z
Manifolds, maybe that caused the premature flaking of the paint.  I was
a bit younger and didn't always read the directions prior to using
something <VBG>.  I have had great success with P.O.R. 15 black, and
their semi-gloss top coat.  I will agree with you -  I applied the
POR-15 on a rust patch on my Honda, and it too flaked away after about
a year.  The POR-15 does work excellent on bare metal products though!
I used to work as a machinist so I cleaned everything via. oven baking
and steel shot cleaning.  I don't agree with their acronym of Paint
Over Rust though.  No paint will cure/stop rust once it's started.
  I have also had great success with the epoxy primer and top coating.
A GREAT product!

- -Steve

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:58:38 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 GA heads

The 3.0 FAQ will contain more opinions on Olds heads in general.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
            FAQ 3.0 available soon!!!
Olds FAQ 2.0 at: http://www.en.com/users/thall/
                 ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

- ------------
     The olds faq alludes to the fact that the 455 GA head is inferior to
     most other BB heads. Can someone please give me some info on what can
     be done during a rebuild to make my GA heads flow better.

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:04:05 -0400
Subject: 72 Cutlass Salvage yark parts (Re: Salvage Yard Dash Pad)

This reminds me, I know where there is a 1972 Cutlass in a junkyard.  It
has got a bit of rust, and I don't think there are any wheels/tires on it.
If anybody wants me to look for parts, I can probably take a look at it
this weekend.  Oh, the motor is a 350, looks original.  I could probably
buy anthing off of it pretty cheaply.  Oh, and I have a question about it,
the hood on it has a set of little louvers a couple of inches wide running
up on it a bit on either side.  Is this the "louvered hood" I've heard
about, or is this just the regular Cutlass hood?  If you are interested in
anything, I'm in East Tenn. and just send me some e-mail.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

------------------------------

From: Matt Breitbach <mbreitba@iastate.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:07:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

At 01:25 PM 05-02-97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey everyone,
>     I've been toying with the idea of putting on larger wheels and tires on
>my '87 Cutlass Supreme. I thought about 15" wheels but would really like 16"
>or 17" wheels with low-profile tires. Does anybody know some of the possible
>problems that could occur. Are the 16" or 17" wheels just not possible? I
>want to have that mean, wide tire look like you see on the corvettes and
>others. Thanks in advance!
>
>Andy Geeting
>'87 Cutlass Supreme
>'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
>'74 Delta 88 convertible
>'78 caprice wagon
>'36 Plymouth coupe
>
>
>

the only problems i could forsee is the speedometer being off and the tires
rubbing.  if you get low profile tires, though, the tires rubbing shouldn't
be a problem.  if you want wider tires, ie. stance of a corvette, you will
probably have to backspace your wheels, shorten the axle, wheel tubs, etc.,
all depends on how wide you want to go.  hope this helps some.

matt breitbach
mbreitba@iastate.edu
1980 delta 88 (once fit 13 people in it)
1987 buick somerset
soon?.....1969 442....i am now accepting donations!

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:09:33 -0400
Subject: Next registry update

Well, I've had quite a response to my request for more entries for the
registry (I guess that I WAS just a "little" bit more pushy this time than
before).  I'll get all of these up in the registry ASAP, but I have a bit
of work ahead of me in doing that, so give me a little while.  I'll be
posting these, and balancing tests, classes, and working on my Oldsmobile
all at once!  I guess what I'm trying to say is that give me a week or so,
and THEN start sending me pestering e-mail messages to make sure that I
ACUTALLY DO get motivated :-)

Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:31:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

I don't know about in a 16 or 17, but me and my friend have found that a
245 is the wides 14 that will still turn in the front wheel well without
modifications.  Maybe take a look at this, you might be please with the
looks.  Say something like a 245-60-14 or 245-55-14 ($$$) might look
pretty good, and just think that way you could still use your original
wheels.  If you absolutely want the look of 16's or 17's, I'm afraid that
I can't help you there.

Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
'84 Cutlass Supreme (350 4bbl. TH400 69k miles)
(205-65-14's on front, 225-70-14's on back)



On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Matt Breitbach wrote:

> At 01:25 PM 05-02-97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hey everyone,
> >     I've been toying with the idea of putting on larger wheels and tires
on > >my '87 Cutlass Supreme. I thought about 15" wheels but would really like
16" > >or 17" wheels with low-profile tires. Does anybody know some of the
possible > >problems that could occur. Are the 16" or 17" wheels just not
possible? I > >want to have that mean, wide tire look like you see on the
corvettes and > >others. Thanks in advance! > > > >Andy Geeting > >'87 Cutlass
Supreme > >'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham > >'74 Delta 88 convertible >
>'78 caprice wagon > >'36 Plymouth coupe > > > > > > > > the only problems i
could forsee is the speedometer being off and the tires > rubbing.  if you get
low profile tires, though, the tires rubbing shouldn't > be a problem.  if you
want wider tires, ie. stance of a corvette, you will > probably have to
backspace your wheels, shorten the axle, wheel tubs, etc., > all depends on
how wide you want to go.  hope this helps some. > > matt breitbach >
mbreitba@iastate.edu > 1980 delta 88 (once fit 13 people in it) > 1987 buick
somerset > soon?.....1969 442....i am now accepting donations! > > >

------------------------------

From: "The Deline's" <tdeline@MNSi.Net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:47:59 -0400
Subject: Re: A/C and heating problems

Thanks Paul,

It's electronic with pushbuttons.  I'm going to have the temperature sensor
checked.

- -Joanne
At 02:32 AM 2/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-02-04 15:54:37 EST, you write:
>
>> I have a 1990 Delta 88 that has given me no problem ever...until
>>  recently.  The heater stays on no matter how low the inside car
>>  temperature is set and in the summer the a/c stays on no matter how high
>>  the temperature is set!
>
>What kind of A/C do you have?  Is it manual, with the dials and knobs?  Or is
>it Electronic with the pushbuttons.  We just have some work done to our '86
>with electronic air.  It needed an ambient temperature sensor.  Ours wouldn't
>throw heat no matter how high the temp. was set.
>
>Paul
>
>

------------------------------

From: cwalk@marshallnet.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 08:48:11 -0400
Subject: engine modifications.

Clayton Pierce wrote:
>
> I don't know about in a 16 or 17, but me and my friend have found that a
> 245 is the wides 14 that will still turn in the front wheel well without
> modifications.  Maybe take a look at this, you might be please with the
> looks.  Say something like a 245-60-14 or 245-55-14 ($$$) might look
> pretty good, and just think that way you could still use your original
> wheels.  If you absolutely want the look of 16's or 17's, I'm afraid that
> I can't help you there.
>
> Clayton Pierce,
> zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
> '84 Cutlass Supreme (350 4bbl. TH400 69k miles)
> (205-65-14's on front, 225-70-14's on back)
>
> On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Matt Breitbach wrote:
>
> > At 01:25 PM 05-02-97 -0400, you wrote:
> > >Hey everyone,
> > >     I've been toying with the idea of putting on larger wheels and tires
on > > >my '87 Cutlass Supreme. I thought about 15" wheels but would really
like 16" > > >or 17" wheels with low-profile tires. Does anybody know some of
the possible > > >problems that could occur. Are the 16" or 17" wheels just
not possible? I > > >want to have that mean, wide tire look like you see on
the corvettes and > > >others. Thanks in advance! > > > > > >Andy Geeting > >
>'87 Cutlass Supreme > > >'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham > > >'74 Delta
88 convertible > > >'78 caprice wagon > > >'36 Plymouth coupe > > > > > > > >
> > > > > the only problems i could forsee is the speedometer being off and
the tires > > rubbing.  if you get low profile tires, though, the tires
rubbing shouldn't > > be a problem.  if you want wider tires, ie. stance of a
corvette, you will > > probably have to backspace your wheels, shorten the
axle, wheel tubs, etc., > > all depends on how wide you want to go.  hope this
helps some. > > > > matt breitbach > > mbreitba@iastate.edu > > 1980 delta 88
(once fit 13 people in it) > > 1987 buick somerset > > soon?.....1969 442....i
am now accepting donations! > >I have a 1969 442 with 455 cu in motor bored
030 and with headersedelbrock performer intake holley 650 carb and slightly
larger than stock cam. I am running 373 gears with a turbo 400 trans. i am
wandering what other mods I could do for performance increases. I am thinking
about going to roller rockers and new push rods. Any info on this subject or
ideas would be appreiciated. Thanks Craig > > > >

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:50:04 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 cam selection

At 11:08 AM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>     I would greatly appreciate it if some of you olds gurus could assist
>     me with cam selection for my 455 rebuild. I'm looking for a mild cam
>     that would provide a decent idle and would not reduce vacuum too much.
>     I understand that the wrong cam (too much lift) could increase the
>     chance of coil-bind??? Also,what do I need to know to avoid upsetting
>     the valve train geometry during the rebuild?

Two things to watch out for on valvetrain geometry:

1) Any lift over .520" will cause interference between the spring retainer
and the top of the valve guide. You can machine the valve guide down to
eliminate this interference.

2) You basically want the tip of the valve and the tip of the pushrod to be
as close to the factory position as possible, to maintain proper valvetrain
geometry; if one is raised and the other is lowered, you may have the proper
preload at the lifter, but the rocker arm will be further along in its
travel (or further behind) from where it is designed to be, and at the
extreme it can cause extreme wear on the rocker tips, or bind on the rocker
bridge.

Things that can throw this geometry off are valve jobs (usually raises the
tip of the valve), different-length valves (raises or lowers valve tip
height), reduced base-circle camshaft (lowers pushrod height), milling the
block or the heads (raises pushrod height), different-length pushrods
(raises or lowers pushrod height).

Many performance cams use a reduced base circle, and thus will need pushrods
that are longer by the same amount (well, actually half that amount, unless
you machine the heads, and then it depends what you machine... it can get
messy; that's why they have adjustable-length checking pushrods, and shims
to make all the valves happy.).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 14:50:06 -0400
Subject: Re: 72 Cutlass Salvage yark parts (Re: Salvage Yard Dash Pad)

At 01:04 PM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I know where there is a 1972 Cutlass...the motor is a 350...
>buy anthing off of it pretty cheaply...

That motor will have the good "7a" small-block heads; if it were local, I'd
snap those up myself.

>the hood on it has a set of little louvers a couple of inches wide running
>up on it a bit on either side.  Is this the "louvered hood" I've heard

That is the Cutlass "S" hood. Non-functional, but pretty neat louvers. I
have one of these in blue; too bad my '70 can't use it :(
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: katana72@juno.com (Robert F Turner)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:02:15 -0400
Subject: PC Pros, Inc.

Received part from somebody at PC Pros. Need to re-imburse for shipping.
Please e-mail me @ Katana72 @ Juno.com> Part was well packaged and
arrived in good shape. Definitely will be able to use this. THANKS :)

Rob Turner

------------------------------

From: katana72@juno.com (Robert F Turner)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:02:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Salvage Yard Dash Pad

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997 09:49:36 -0400 Chris & Robin Miller
<cya442@INETWORLD.NET> writes:
>Robert J. Lavey wrote:
>>
>> Hi Gang,
>>
>> I was in a local salvage yard yesterday and found the dash pad and
>duct work
>> for a 1968 Cutlass with heater only.  I've not seen many of these,
>and this
>> one was in very nice shape (the dash pad was perfect, and the duct
>work had
>> one small area that could easily be repaired).  I am thinking of
>going back
>> for it, but if anyone out there is in need of this piece, let me
>know.  I'll
>> find out the yard's price and sell it for same (plus shipping).  The
>lower
>> dash panel (the hard plastic piece) is gone as is the tilt wheel.
>The rest
>> of the interior is also gone.
>>
>> Let me know if there is any interest as I will be going back on
>Saturday.
>>
>Bob,
>
>Are there any engine parts still in the car?  Looking for the exhaust
>manifolds.
>
>Thanks,
>Chris Miller
>'68 442
>cya442@inetworld.net
 I could possibly use the dash pad, gotta go out to the farm and look at
my 68 convertible. Please get back to me on a price, etc
Rob Turner
Katana72@juno.com

------------------------------

From: Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:37:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Pick on Andy Day (Feb 5th)

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>

>Oh, come on, you guys! What is this, Pick on Andy Day??? I like to
>think my posts had _some_ sort of content to them, even if it was
>
>- -- Inaccurate
>- -- Incoherent
>- -- Wrong

 - -- Large :-)

After spending hours editing archives, you start to see trends. (you
also start to see weird things crawling on the walls too, but thats
the subject of another email :-).  Your posts had the most lines
of header information, tied w/ Chris Witt.  By deleting all the Recieved-by:,
X-sender:, Message-id:, etc lines out of everyones mail, I can usually
cut the archive size in half.  For example, the Aug, 95 archive has
around 650 messages (contrary to popular belief, not all of them are
from Andy :-) and came out to around 1.6Mb.  After some serious time
in the editing room, the final size is down to around half that.

I pass no judgment on content.  After all, I've sent some pretty
stupid stuff in the past myself...
...and now, I'm making it available again for everyone to read.

>...but otherwise useful. After all, why would anyone have archived
>them otherwise? Eh?

I dont have a life?  :-)

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

------------------------------

From: Timothy Carl Hietpas <thietpas@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:37:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

	Andy,

	The look of a 16" or 17" wheel in the rear wheelwell looks cool
you need to look at the minor details of the project.  For instance, with
a 16" wheel your car will seek out every pot-hole in the road.  Secondly,
when you get into a tire this size each tire will be very expensive now
and when you have to replace them.  Putting this size tire up front
may also cause nonstop headaches as well.  A wide tire will not
allow you to turn the steering wheel from lock to lock without
rubbing the back for the tire or rim against the frame.  Lastly, I hope you
don't plan on driving the car in the winter.  A tire that big will not get
decent traction behind a 4 cylinder.  I too wanted the wider tire on the
car look.  I have an '87 442 which came with 215-65-R15.  A nice size but
I wanted more.  I went with a 245-70-R15 on the rear.  It did not affact
the speedometer but gave me a clearance of 1/2 inch from the tire to the
frame.  EXTREMELY CLOSE TO THE FRAME!!!  It looks realy nice with the
wider tire but there is a problem here.  From switching from the 215-65
to the 245-70 the overall diameter of the tire droped by 1 inch.  So now
it looks like my rear springs are sagging because the rear of the car is
1 inch lower than stock while the front is still at factory height.  I
hope this information will help you make you decision.

	Tim

thietpas@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
1987 Olds 442  Future Plates [87 W-42]

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Andy Geeting wrote:

> Hey everyone,
>      I've been toying with the idea of putting on larger wheels and tires on
> my '87 Cutlass Supreme. I thought about 15" wheels but would really like 16"
> or 17" wheels with low-profile tires. Does anybody know some of the possible
> problems that could occur. Are the 16" or 17" wheels just not possible? I
> want to have that mean, wide tire look like you see on the corvettes and
> others. Thanks in advance!
>
> Andy Geeting
> '87 Cutlass Supreme
> '88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
> '74 Delta 88 convertible
> '78 caprice wagon
> '36 Plymouth coupe

------------------------------

From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:57:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

>
> I don't know about in a 16 or 17, but me and my friend have found that a
> 245 is the wides 14 that will still turn in the front wheel well without
> modifications.  Maybe take a look at this, you might be please with the
> looks.  Say something like a 245-60-14 or 245-55-14 ($$$) might look
> pretty good, and just think that way you could still use your original
> wheels.  If you absolutely want the look of 16's or 17's, I'm afraid that
> I can't help you there.
>
> Clayton Pierce,
> zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
> '84 Cutlass Supreme (350 4bbl. TH400 69k miles)
> (205-65-14's on front, 225-70-14's on back)


On the subject of putting 245's on 14" wheels:

I think my 14" wheels are 14x6 and I think that 15" wheels are 15x7.
Was there ever a 14x7 width wheel?

Isn't 245 too wide for a 6" wide wheel?

I think you need to consider the width of the wheel when you look for the
widest tire that can be mounted on it.  I am only talking about the ability
to mount a 245 onto a 14" wheel.  As others have noted, there will be
clearance problems on the front wheels regardless of whether the tires fit
onto the wheel or not.

- --                                                               _
                               1971 Oldsmobile                   |\
Drew Senko                     Cutlass Supreme    .__====-_._____|_\______
senko@reston.ans.net             Convertible      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
http://members.aol.com/drewinva                   =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
______________________________________________________\_/____________\_/_____

------------------------------

From: "John M. Barnes" <chmpfish@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:59:53 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 cam selection

At 02:50 PM 2/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 11:08 AM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>     I would greatly appreciate it if some of you olds gurus could assist
>>     me with cam selection for my 455 rebuild. I'm looking for a mild cam
>>     that would provide a decent idle and would not reduce vacuum too much.
>>     I understand that the wrong cam (too much lift) could increase the
>>     chance of coil-bind??? Also,what do I need to know to avoid upsetting
>>     the valve train geometry during the rebuild?
>
>Two things to watch out for on valvetrain geometry:
>
>1) Any lift over .520" will cause interference between the spring retainer
>and the top of the valve guide. You can machine the valve guide down to
>eliminate this interference.
>


Won't .520 also cause "interference" between the valve and piston? I've
always understood that anything over .500 should be fly cut.

John

------------------------------

From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:06:36 -0400
Subject: Re: leaky 2 speed: reply: reply

   Regarding the soft slow shifts -- are you sure you aren't talking about
the vacuum modulator??
   The only reason why i am asking is that i had a Chevelle with a 400cid
small block and the TH350 trans -- when i did have the detent hooked up it
wouldn't shift from 1st to 2nd until 5500 rpm and 2nd to 3rd at 5000 rpm.
 when i disconnected the detent cable i was able to control the shift point
at 5000 rpm all the time, as far as downshifting was concerned i was pretty
much a hands on driver and made any downshift on my own.  returning to the
soft slow shifts i don't ever recall experiencing that particular problem --
i had the car set up that way for 5 years and the tranny never missed a beat
- -- that includes lots of street racing and legal drag racing.  Maybe you
know something i don't -- i dunno.

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:10:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

Drew wrote:

> > looks.  Say something like a 245-60-14 or 245-55-14 ($$$) might look

> On the subject of putting 245's on 14" wheels:
>
> I think my 14" wheels are 14x6 and I think that 15" wheels are 15x7.
> Was there ever a 14x7 width wheel?
>
> Isn't 245 too wide for a 6" wide wheel?

Obviously not.  I have 14x6 SSII rims with a 245-60-14 tire and I have
no
problems.


Chris Sparks

------------------------------

From: Matthew Butler <matthewbutler@fsd.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:18:47 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 cam selection -Reply

I am currently using a .520 lift cam.  I did have to mill the guides, but no
clearence problems.

>>> John M. Barnes <chmpfish%erols.com@fsd.com> 02/05/97 02:59pm
>>>
At 02:50 PM 2/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 11:08 AM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>     I would greatly appreciate it if some of you olds gurus could assist
>>     me with cam selection for my 455 rebuild. I'm looking for a mild cam
>>     that would provide a decent idle and would not reduce vacuum too
much.  >>     I understand that the wrong cam (too much lift) could
increase the  >>     chance of coil-bind??? Also,what do I need to know
to avoid upsetting  >>     the valve train geometry during the rebuild?
>
>Two things to watch out for on valvetrain geometry:
>
>1) Any lift over .520" will cause interference between the spring
retainer
>and the top of the valve guide. You can machine the valve guide down
to
>eliminate this interference.
>


Won't .520 also cause "interference" between the valve and piston? I've
always understood that anything over .500 should be fly cut.

John

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:32:20 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 cam selection

At 03:59 PM 2/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 02:50 PM 2/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>At 11:08 AM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>>     I would greatly appreciate it if some of you olds gurus could assist
>>>     me with cam selection for my 455 rebuild. I'm looking for a mild cam
>>>     that would provide a decent idle and would not reduce vacuum too much.
 >>>     I understand that the wrong cam (too much lift) could increase the
>>>     chance of coil-bind??? Also,what do I need to know to avoid upsetting
>>>     the valve train geometry during the rebuild? >> >>Two things to watch
out for on valvetrain geometry: >> >>1) Any lift over .520" will cause
interference between the spring retainer >>and the top of the valve guide. You
can machine the valve guide down to >>eliminate this interference. >> > >
>Won't .520 also cause "interference" between the valve and piston? I've
>always understood that anything over .500 should be fly cut. > >John > >John

        Upto .540 is ok as long as you clay mock the thing up. This is with
the stock 10.5:1 pistons, With the 8.5:1 pistons it's more but that kind of
cam don't work with a 8.5:1 compression.

Jim Chermack

------------------------------

From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:43:21 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 GA heads

  First thing i would do is make sure that the shop you take the heads to
will actually do a three angle valve job.
  The second thing you can do is to have the intake and exhaust valves given
a back cut just behind the valve seats, if you can find some one who will do
it for you also try to have the back sides of the valves polished or smoothed
out.
  The third thing just short of all out porting is to have the heads bowl
ported to a distance of about 1" just down from the valve seat and blended
into the port runners the basic idea is to try to get the bowl area to about
75% of the valve diameter.
  The very last thing or maybe the first thing, it depends on the amount of
time you lare willing to put into the heads, is to have the center exhaust
port divider welded up and then milled flush with the rest of the exhaust
gasket seating surface.
  hope that helps

------------------------------

From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:57:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Rubber boots/covers for ball joints

>Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil wrote:
>
>> *********Energy Suspension sells polyurethane boot for ball joints !! Under
>> $8 for a set of 4. I got mine from Jeg's mail order.
>
>John,
>
>Who are these guys? I never heard of them.  Do you have a catalog handy to
>see if they
>are available for 66-67 Toros?
>
>Otherwise, could you get the address/phone number for me?
>


FYI

Energy Suspensions does not sell direct to customers. Most parts shops will
order them for you. I would suggest calling Energy Suspensions first to get
part numbers. They are VERY helpful and if they do not list a part, you can
order by dimensions (like bushings for upper front control arms).

Another point, by the black parts. These are impregnated (can I still say
that on the Internet?) with graphite. As they wear, they are
self-lubricating (same question?), and "should" not squeak. The colored
bushings are for show and off-road. They DO NOT have the graphite!


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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:58:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Rubber boots/covers for ball joints

>Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil wrote:
>
>> *********Energy Suspension sells polyurethane boot for ball joints !! Under
>> $8 for a set of 4. I got mine from Jeg's mail order.
>
>John,
>
>Who are these guys? I never heard of them.  Do you have a catalog handy to
>see if they
>are available for 66-67 Toros?
>
>Otherwise, could you get the address/phone number for me?
>


Forgot to give the phone number:

Energy Suspensions 714-361-3935


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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:50:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Still searching for Olds parts..

> >	Oh, and if anybody can give me a lead on a rebuild kit for the
> >brake power booster (Bendix Master Vac) I would *really* appreciated it!!
>
> I thought that Kanter's had the rebuild kits for those units.

	So did I, but I gave them a call a few days ago and all they had
were rebuild kits for Bendix Treddle Vac (sp?) units, so no luck there.  I
tried the local Olds dealership, and my friend Dan would have done a
computer search but none of their books go back far enough to get the part
number :(.  Anybody out there have any manuals that go back to '60?

>
> [snip of stuff Scott will never find in a million years of looking...]
>
	Oh, and add a working clock to that list of things I'll never find
too :)

 >Trunk lining cardboard
>
> Now I thought I recalled seeing that listed in the Olds USA or Fusick
catalog. > ____

	Once again I was foiled trying to find this stuff too.  It seems
that '59 and '60 were unique in a bunch of parts and trunk lining is one
of them.  They said they had no plans for offering it in the future but to
feel free to give them a call anyway.  I have a feeling my only hope is
going to be finding a good used lining.  Mine was ruined by the SBC left
in the trunk when I bought it.  It was so oil soaked it was pretty
useless.
	Anyway, if anybody comes up with anything, let me know.  I'll
really appreciate it!
	
				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:45:22 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 cam selection -Reply

At 03:18 PM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I am currently using a .520 lift cam.  I did have to mill the guides, but no
>clearence problems.
>
>>1) Any lift over .520" will cause interference between the spring
>retainer
>>and the top of the valve guide. You can machine the valve guide down
>to
>>eliminate this interference.
>>
>
>
>Won't .520 also cause "interference" between the valve and piston? I've
>always understood that anything over .500 should be fly cut.

I think that the Olds engines are very generous with valve-piston clearance.
Of course, you always want to check this kind of thing before you crank it
over the first time, but I thought lift up to .600 wasn't a problem (perhaps
it is at really wild durations, though).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 16:58:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Thanks to Jeff Easton

> >One of the things we seem to be missing these days is the idea of an
> >introduction by new members. Some folks do, some don't, but it seemed
like
> >in the early days you got more than the name, rank and serial number
type
> >of intro from new members, you got a story to go along with it. It's
> >something I'd like to see again.
>
> I agree.  Lets here those stories.  Dont worry about size.  I have
_plenty_
> of disk space for the archives...  :-)

Well here goes....

I joined the list about 2 weeks ago, and am very happy with it.  I am 17,
and am in the process of building a '67 442 Hot Rod.  The car was an
original W-30 some years ago...but when I bought it all the W-stuff was
gone.  It is powered by a '70 Toronado 455 coupled to a TH-400.  I have
Heddman Headers, Performer intake, and AFB Carb on it.  I'm in the process
of finishing body work on it now.  We welded in new quarters a few months
ago.  There are lots of little rust holes to drill & weld up, as well as
lots of bondo will be used.  I have a full set of side chrome mouldings
from the car if anyone is interested, as i have removed all the trim and
will weld up the holes.  Although this car isn't in the best of shape and
never will be, it has been a BIG learning experience for me.  Mostly I
learned what to look for in a project car  (ie. No rust, dents,....)

My first car was a '73 Cutlass S.  That was what got me into the spirit of
Oldsmobiling.  I also like Pontiacs, Buicks, and Caddilacs.  But as I've
seen here, I agree with the statement, "Real cars don't wear bowties!"

Well, that's my story....

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442 Custom

------------------------------

From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:21:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

I believe this chart is accurate. section height and diameter are in
inches. Any comments???

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* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
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