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oldsmobile-digest         Thursday, 20 March 1997      Volume 01 : Number 569

Re: disappointing performance
Re: 67 f-85 deluxe
Re: disappointing performance
Re: '67 Delmont
Re: IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!
Fw: disc brake set up
Re: disappointing performance
Re: disappointing performance
'66 Dynamic production ª's
Re: '67 Delmont
Re:  going to manual from TH-350
unsubscribe oldsmobile
subscribe oldsmobile-digest
Re:  disappointing performance
Satin Jackets
Re: Disappointing performance
1970 W31 intake for sale
Re: Parts...
Subject: Re: Production Figures
Re: disappointing performance
RE: dissapointing perf....
Re: disappointing performance
RPO book
Re: disappointing performance
Re: disappointing performance
RE: 3-spd column shifters, and trivia [was Re: Speaking of V-C's]
Re: disappointing performance
Re: Fw: disc brake set up
Re: dissapointing perf....
Re: disappointing performance
Re: disappointing performance
Re:  going to manual from TH-350
Re: Production Figures
Water Leaks!
Re: disappointing performance
Re: Quad4
New Tech Advisor
1987 Salon 442 Different
Re: Water Leaks!
Re: Water Leaks!
Re: disappointing performance
Re: Water Leaks!
64 Vista Cruiser parts wanted
Hurst / Olds Model Kit For Sale (3/20)
Cutlass Spotted
Shift kit
liscence plate sigting
Heavy G-body Suspension
Re: disappointing performance -Reply
Re: New Tech Advisor
weatherstripping installation
1967 Cutlass for sale
Re: Cutlass Spotted
Re: weatherstripping installation
Re: weatherstripping installation
Re: disappointing performance
Re: disappointing performance
Re: disappointing performance
'83/'84 H/O Spoiler tips
Re: '83/'84 H/O Spoiler tips
455 Cam selection
Vista Cruiser.....   sighting I think....  And a few Toros...
442 rear wing and scoop
4.1 liter computer wanted
Re: Water Leaks!

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:01:22 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

At 09:57 PM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Well guys I was humiliated pretty bad today.  The first warm sunny day
>here in MT in quite awhile and my car performed lousy.  I have a 65 442
>with a 455, D cast heads, Q-Jet, stock manifold, low comp pistons (not
>exactly sure how low), a mild factory cam (believed to be about a 282
>duration), true 2 1/2" dual exhaust with x-over pipe and Dynomax Super
>Turbo mufflers, TH400 with switch-pitch and shift kit, and 3.42 posi
>axle.  Can someone tell me why I could barely pull away from a late
>model Eclipse Turbo?  Am I slow or are these Eclipses just that damned
>fast?  This car has run 396 CH*velles and 440 M*pars into the ground.  I
>realize that my specs are a bit general but what would you suggest, or
>what has worked for you, as far as performance add-ons?  Keep in mind I
>don't want to cut this car up.  Just unobtrusive easily disguised or
>removed additions.  Any help is greatly appreciated.

Those Talons/Eclipses can be pretty fast; since they are turbocharged and
fuel-injected, getting more power out of them simply involves cranking up
the boost, and since the bores are so small and the block/head structure is
so rigid, they push the boost up into the 20-30psi range (no, that's not a
misprint). With AWD, they have more traction than they can use, so a few
simple bolt-ons put these cars (which run 14's in stock condition) into the
12's.

Those 396's were only 14.5-15.5 sec. quarter-milers, and the normal
440-4bbls would be mid-14's in stock trim, so wasting a bunch of stock or
mildly-modified versions of these would only require a solid 13-sec. car
(i.e. they should watch out for mildly modded 5.0's and LT1's...).

Your car sounds pretty healthy, and probably would turn a solid 13-sec.
quarter. You could probably do with a bit more compression (remember, the
8.0:1 compression your pistons are rated at is *nominal*; actual compression
might be an entire point lower...) and a more modern cam (more lift, less
duration, more agressive ramps); that might give you 50 more hp total, so
that you could pull away from the AWD cars a little quicker. Everything else
sounds right on the money, though.

Maybe experiment with jetting and timing, once your cam and compression are
where they should be. Oh, do you have headers? I'd say port the heads, but
since they are "D" units, I'd say leave them untouched, buy a less rare set
(B's, C's, E's, G's, it doesn't matter) and port them to your heart's
content. Heck, for the price those "D"'s would fetch, you could buy new
pistons, a new cam, and *still* have money left over to completely do-over a
set of heads...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:43:05 -0400
Subject: Re: 67 f-85 deluxe

Can you check on the grill piece that is located right behind the front
bumper???
  it's usually painted a light silver color.
    If you can
                   Thanks
                             J2RKT@aol.com

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:48:41 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

  Those Eclipse Turbo cars are usually pretty fast -- if it's been worked on
it's a sure bet that thing runs in the 13's.  I wouldn't be too disappointed
with the performance of your Olds.
   One of my Muscle Car Classic mags has an old article in it about the 69
Hurst Olds and it was running 12.90's
                                                J2RKT@aol.com

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:27:11 -0400
Subject: Re: '67 Delmont

At 10:54 PM 3/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Here's what info I have on that junkyard '67 Delmont 88.  The engine is a
>2bbl, single exhaust 425 with C heads.  Interior is not much good,

Dave,

Sounds like the perfect engine for your '69...    :)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:54:40 -0400
Subject: Re: IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!

> Subject: Re: IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!
> Date: Wednesday, March 19, 1997 9:12 PM
> > > Don't forget, IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!
> Dalent - ªoldsmobile
I went there about 7:30 and no one was there ????? whats the deal was I too
late?
Walter

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 02:03:49 -0400
Subject: Fw: disc brake set up

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> From: scott kozler jo-anne hillier <kozhill@titanlink.com>
> To: olsdmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: disc brake set up
> Date: Wednesday, March 19, 1997 10:58 PM
>
> Can anyone out there tell what disc brake set up to use on my 64 olds
F-85.
> I have info that states F-85 disc 67-69 will work. And F-85 67-72 or
buick
> special 67-72 will work. Should be the same as chevy no? Same body? I
want
> something that I can get Parts for and will match with the booster master
> cyl. and combination valve.
> scott
> kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:52:03 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

>
> Your car sounds pretty healthy, and probably would turn a solid 13-sec.
> quarter. You could probably do with a bit more compression (remember, the
> 8.0:1 compression your pistons are rated at is *nominal*; actual compression
> might be an entire point lower...) and a more modern cam (more lift, less
> duration, more agressive ramps); that might give you 50 more hp total, so
> that you could pull away from the AWD cars a little quicker. Everything else
> sounds right on the money, though.
>
> Maybe experiment with jetting and timing, once your cam and compression are
> where they should be.

I agree that a quick off the line car will make it seem as if your not
running on all cylinders. I think if you advance your timing and run
higher octane you would see a big difference. BTW are you running points
or electronic? There is no easy way of increasing your compression,
which is where you would see the biggest benifit.

Danny

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 02:05:43 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance


>   Those Eclipse Turbo cars are usually pretty fast -- if it's been worked
on
> it's a sure bet that thing runs in the 13's.
They may be fast but a lady brought me a head off one today that had came
completely unraveled. It had 4 ex valves with nothing left but the stems.
Most intake valves were bent, the spark plug beat into the aluminum,
threads destroyed..... I bet it needs some pistons too.
I have never seen a Olds head that looks that bad. She was a little upsett
that its going to cost around $500 just to repair the head not includeing
the $100 gasket set and the labor her mechanic is chargeing her to R&R it.
She isnt very proud of her rice burner now.
Walter

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From: Greg Yonge <gsyonge@genesisnetwork.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 00:35:54 -0400
Subject: '66 Dynamic production ª's

Does anyone have any production numbers for '66 Dynamic 88 Convertibles?

The one I'm looking at is a 4bbl q-jet 425 w/ a TH400.

BTW does anyone know what these are worth in Just-Under-Fair condition?

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:53:50 -0400
Subject: Re: '67 Delmont

Dave Paulison wrote:
>
> Here's what info I have on that junkyard '67 Delmont 88.  The engine is a
> 2bbl, single exhaust 425 with C heads.

Did you say C heads?  Aren't they worth a ~few~ bucks?

Kurt
71 442

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 08:58:42 -0400
Subject: Re:  going to manual from TH-350

The posting about installing a 6 speed ZF tranny in an Olds is good
info.  But isn't the 6 speed Richmond similar to the Doug Nash 5 speed?
As I remember the 5 speed was more or less a bolt in.  It used the same
trans. to bell housing bolt pattern as a T-10.  It seems that these will
bolt to the original bell housing as well.  The only big problems with
the 5 speed was overall length and not being able to use your console
without major modification.  I may be all wet on this so feel free to
correct me. (as if you guys need encouragement)

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:06:36 -0400
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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:13:03 -0400
Subject: Re:  disappointing performance

Travis,
Your combo sounds very similar to the one I am running.  I have E heads,
70 W-30 cam, Quadrajet, Street Dominator intake, 2 barrel low
compression pistons, a 4 speed, and 3.42 posi.  You should have an
advantage coming out of the hole with the automatic.  I have a lot of
wheel spin with the 4 speed.  I have run a 14.40 @ 100mph in the
quarter, so I would guess you should be able to get your car in the 13s
easily.  Do not feel bad about barely beating the rice grinder.  You
probably did it for a lot less money than his car cost and less
technology also.  If I spent $30,000 on a car I would be real upset to
get beat by a 30 year old low tech car.  You probably ruined his day and
if he had a friend to witness it, his reputation too.

Congratulations,
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: aat <aat@phoenix.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:27:15 -0400
Subject: Satin Jackets

Looking for a place to purchase a satin jacket with the Oldsmobile logo
an dthe 442 logo on them, anyone know where to get one??
Need one for my son and his 68 Olds 442.
Thanks, AL TROPEA  E-Mail ( aat@phoenix.net )

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:37:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Disappointing performance

>Keep in mind I don't want to cut this car up.  Just unobtrusive easily
disguised or
>removed additions.  Any help is greatly appreciated.
>T. Adams
>65 Olds 442

Try a nitrous cheater plate.
Scott Mullen
'70 442

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:50:00 -0400
Subject: 1970 W31 intake for sale

In an effort to generate funds for the purchase of a wayward '70 W30
(and thus reduce the wrath of the wife), I am offering up my 1970 W31
factory aluminum intake manifold for sale.  The holes for the carburetor
bores were modified (not by me), apparently to mount an aftermarket carb
some time in the past.  This modification has no ill effect on
performance (I ran it for several years on my '69 Cutlass) and is not
visible when a carb is installed.  Aside from that, the mani is in
excellent shape.  Asking $550, you pay for shipping.  Email me privately
at r_mullen@merck.com.

Scott Mullen

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From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:08:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Parts...

At 10:04 PM 3/19/97 -0400, you wrote:

<snip>

>- 3 Rally 1 rims, paint stripped, $15.

<snip>

>Please E-Mail my address if anyone has interest in these parts,
>Regards,
>Mike

I'm interested in the SSI wheels.  Has your friend got the trim rings and
center caps, too?

I realize that shipping will be about $20-$25 per wheel.


Bob
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 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
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From: PidgLanger@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:12:27 -0400
Subject: Subject: Re: Production Figures

If you need production figures for later model Oldsmobiles contact KLK Olds
@aol.com.  Kerrick sent me copies of the figures for the 1990 and 1991 model
years.  He/She I don't know which(I apologize to Kerrick), was very helpful.
 I got the copies in less than a week!  1991 figures for the W-41 are 204.
 If you find an I-Series Calais with a 5 speed they are even rarer than that,
especially the four door models.  I have been unable to find a VIN break
down.  I'm sure somebody on the list can help with that.  I'd like to know if
all the W-41s were made in one continuous run and how I find out where in the
204 my car falls.  I you find out let me know.

Cecil
1991 W-41
PidgLanger@aol.com
NotDads442@aol.com

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:33:36 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

Travis Adams wrote:

> axle.  Can someone tell me why I could barely pull away from a late
> model Eclipse Turbo?  Am I slow or are these Eclipses just that damned
> fast?  This car has run 396 CH*velles and 440 M*pars into the ground.  I

Weight would be my guess.  I am a firm beleiver that a 2500 lb car with
150 HP
is on even keel with a 5000 lb car with 300 HP.  Also maybe its a 5
speed compared
to your 3 or 4 speed.  Just my opinions.

> realize that my specs are a bit general but what would you suggest, or
> what has worked for you, as far as performance add-ons?  Keep in mind I
> don't want to cut this car up.  Just unobtrusive easily disguised or
> removed additions.  Any help is greatly appreciated.

I have heard people on this list mention Nitrous Oxide (laughing gas).

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:03:00 -0400
Subject: RE: dissapointing perf....

T. Adams- Don't feel bad. They are VERY fast. I used to own and race one..
It was not the AWD but it was FWD and I turned a 13.6 @ 106 with it w/ full
exhaust, radial tires. No NOS, just a bigger fuel pump and the boost turned up
to 20 lbs. In fact, I was quite slow in the world of those cars. The norm is
mid 12's w/ the AWD version w/ just bolt ons. (exhaust, boost, clutch)
Stock, w/ a good driver in the AWD they run a low 14 second no problem.
The fastest in the country is 11.0 @ 125. NO nos either.
Watch these cars.


FRank... 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955 (every day driver)
         65 El Camino (show car, cruiser)
         95 Plymouth Neon (wifes car)
         95 Dodge Ram 4x4 v-10 (company truck)....

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:42:40 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

Hi all,

Help me understand something.  Is it better to go with the electronic
or points?

Will the electronic system help with pinging?

How much is it to convert from a points system to an electronic one?

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:06:00 -0400
Subject: RPO book

Mark- yes, this book I refer to is the RPO book I got for free. It goes back
to the mid 80's but most of the RPO ª's are common to all GM cars waaaay
back. IE- the G80 posi was the same all the way back to the 60's.







FRank... 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955 (every day driver)
         65 El Camino (show car, cruiser)
         95 Plymouth Neon (wifes car)
         95 Dodge Ram 4x4 v-10 (company truck)....

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From: The Unsilent Majority <jev114@psu.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:53:15 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

At 02:05 AM 3/20/97 -0400, you wrote:

>

>

>

>>   Those Eclipse Turbo cars are usually pretty fast -- if it's been
worked

>on

>> it's a sure bet that thing runs in the 13's.


someone is in dream world here....take this B.S. somewhere else.

<bold><italic><color><param>8080,0000,8080</param><bigger><bigger>MOPAR
IS GARBAGE</bigger></bigger></color></italic></bold>

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:49:42 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

david wyatt wrote:

> easily.  Do not feel bad about barely beating the rice grinder.  You
> probably did it for a lot less money than his car cost and less
> technology also.  If I spent $30,000 on a car I would be real upset to
> get beat by a 30 year old low tech car.  You probably ruined his day and
> if he had a friend to witness it, his reputation too.

Isn't that the truth.  When I beat a Nissan 300 ZX with my 77 Olds C/S 4
door
with a 350/4 barrel running on 7 cylinders with a funky AT (B*tt ugly
Earl Schieb
green), he was madder than a wet hornet.  I knew this since I had to
turn down
my street and he revved as he went by. Hee hee hee.

Later...

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: "R.B. Short" <rbshort@barnessmithlewis.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:57:45 -0400
Subject: RE: 3-spd column shifters, and trivia [was Re: Speaking of V-C's]

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    3) The 1953 Corvette came with an automatic (cast iron Powerglide)  =
with a floor shifter. It actually mounts on the side of the transmision =
tunnel at the right front corner of the driver's seat. It is really cute =
: recall reverse was at the bottom on the old column Powerglides; to =
keep the linkage simple, the Corvettes' floor shifter was backwards, =
with reverse at the top or forward and park at the back, right against =
your seat.
    There may have been older floor-shifted automatics, but this was =
pretty early. I know this was used  1953-55; I don't recall whether they =
worked out something more "normal" for '56 on or not. (Corvette didn't =
get a manual until late '55).
                                R.B. Short,    OKC,OK

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com[SMTP:PHartlieb@aol.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 1997 8:38 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: Re: 3-spd column shifters, and trivia [was Re: Speaking of =
V-C's]

In a message dated 97-03-19 12:39:36 EST, you write:

> 1) What was the year of the the first US column-shifted manual =
transmission

> car?

1937.

>  2) What was the first year of a US postwar 4-speed floor-shifted car?
>  (excluding Corvette)

1958

>  3) What was the first US car to have an automatic transmission with a
>  floor-shifter?

1960 Chevy Corvair

>  4) What was the first US car to have a floor console with an
>  automatic shifter?

'61 Starfire

>  With a manual shifter?

?????????????

>  5) What was the *last* US car to have a column-mounted manual =
transmission
>  shifter?

Plymouth Volare/Dodge Aspen

Now don't you all laugh, these are all just guesses.  I should get an A =
for
effort.

Paul





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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:59:29 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

At 01:05 AM 3/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>   Those Eclipse Turbo cars are usually pretty fast -- if it's been worked
on >> it's a sure bet that thing runs in the 13's. >They may be fast but a
lady brought me a head off one today that had came >completely unraveled. It
had 4 ex valves with nothing left but the stems. >Most intake valves were
bent, the spark plug beat into the aluminum, >threads destroyed..... I bet it
needs some pistons too. >I have never seen a Olds head that looks that bad.
She was a little upsett >that its going to cost around $500 just to repair the
head not includeing >the $100 gasket set and the labor her mechanic is
chargeing her to R&R it.

I'm going to print this out, and show it to my wife. (who's still a little
upset that I spent $300 for a rough but complete 55,000 mile '68 Toro...)

That's right, I'm into hot-rodding an Olds because, um, it's more
economical! (yeah, that's the ticket...)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:59:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Fw: disc brake set up

At 01:03 AM 3/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
> Can anyone out there tell what disc brake set up to use on my 64 olds F-85.
> I have info that states F-85 disc 67-69 will work. And F-85 67-72 or buick
> special 67-72 will work. Should be the same as chevy no? Same body? I want
> something that I can get Parts for and will match with the booster master
> cyl. and combination valve.

Any A-body front-disc spindle setup, from '67-'72, should work. The
single-piston calipers from '69-'72 are preferred, and a setup from a '71 or
'72 is even more preferrable, as the separete metering valve and
proportioning valve are combined into one combination valve. You should use
the master cylinder and combination valve from the disc/drum setup, though
you'll still have brakes if you don't.

Oh, and if you're putting this on a '64, invest in a tubing bender and make
the system into a dual-circuit system (your stock master cylinder would only
have one resevoir for the entire braking system; should one part fail, it
all fails). I'd imagine that much of your original tubing is shot,
especially where it connects to the flexible lines; it's not hard to bend
and flare tubing, and the $35-$45 you spend on the flaring kit is far
cheaper than the hours of labor you would pay someone else to repair the
lines. (Northern Auto Parts, whose catalog is available from their website,
lists these; you can find them on the Olds web page)

The only parts you can't buy over the counter at your local parts store are
the spindles, combination valve, and very-importantly, the frame mounting
brackets for the front brake lines, so if you have to get a setup, make sure
you at least get those parts. If everything else is in good or rebuildable
condition, however, get them as well.

Good luck!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:04:20 -0400
Subject: Re: dissapointing perf....

SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK wrote:
>
> T. Adams- Don't feel bad. They are VERY fast. I used to own and race one..
> It was not the AWD but it was FWD and I turned a 13.6 @ 106 with it w/ full
> exhaust, radial tires. No NOS, just a bigger fuel pump and the boost turned
up > to 20 lbs. In fact, I was quite slow in the world of those cars. The norm
is > mid 12's w/ the AWD version w/ just bolt ons. (exhaust, boost, clutch) >
Stock, w/ a good driver in the AWD they run a low 14 second no problem. > The
fastest in the country is 11.0 @ 125. NO nos either. > Watch these cars.

Now if T. Adams' car would have had an equivalent turbo setup I wonder
how much
faster he would have gone.

Chris Sparks

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:12:22 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

At 09:42 AM 3/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Help me understand something.  Is it better to go with the electronic
>or points?

Electronic

>Will the electronic system help with pinging?

Nope, not at all. If it pings with points, it will ping with an electronic
ignition at the same settings.

What, you haven't installed your adjustable vacuum advance kit yet? Of
course, don't invest in one now if you're converting over to electronic
ignition soon (points unit is different from the HEI unit).

>How much is it to convert from a points system to an electronic one?

~$50-$100 and one hour, to install a junkyard HEI.
~$80 and one hour, to install a Pertronix Ignitor.
~$150 and one hour, to install a Mallory electronic conversion.
~$250 and one hour, to install an aftermarket electronic distributor.

Add another hour or two (or three or four or...) if this is your first time
replacing a distributor and working with automotive electronics.

Oh, and if you have any difficulty removing the original distributor (which
is likely), Greg P. can tell you what *not* to do... ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:12:23 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

At 09:53 AM 3/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>>   Those Eclipse Turbo cars are usually pretty fast -- if it's been worked
>>> on it's a sure bet that thing runs in the 13's.
>
>someone is in dream world here....take this B.S. somewhere else.

I agree with this claim entirely; unfortunately, I don't think it applies to
the original poster, but to its "unsilent" reply...

>MOPAR IS G*RB*GE

Um, the Eclipse is a Mitsubishi-engined and designed car, whom Dodge owns
stock in and buys cars from and sells under their own name.

And they run much quicker than 13's. Other cars besides Oldsmobiles are
allowed to do that, you know... ;)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 02:37:33 -0400
Subject: Re:  going to manual from TH-350

>The posting about installing a 6 speed ZF tranny in an Olds is good
>info.  But isn't the 6 speed Richmond similar to the Doug Nash 5 speed?
>As I remember the 5 speed was more or less a bolt in.  It used the same
>trans. to bell housing bolt pattern as a T-10.  It seems that these will
>bolt to the original bell housing as well.

Gee, I don't know.  I thought that ZF was maybe a designation for the
Richmond 6-speed.  I'd be very happy if you're right, that would make it a
great potential trans for my Cutlass.  Right now I'm planning to put a
manual in it since the floor pan is shot anyways, I won't feel guilty about
putting another hole in it. :)  And I want to find a good overdrive.

< The only big problems with
>the 5 speed was overall length and not being able to use your console
>without major modification.

Well I have no console so I can deal with that!  I'm liking the 5-speed a
lot better since It's probably cheaper anyway.  Allthough six gears would be
really cool.  (though probably not four-figure price-tag cool)

> I may be all wet on this so feel free to
>correct me. (as if you guys need encouragement)

I don't know myself.  I was just regurgitating E-mail posts and that was
really all I had on it.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass supreme

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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 06:45:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Production Figures

On 19 Mar 97 at 21:46, Kenneth Busby wrote:

> Currently I am
> interested in finding out about my '92 Achieva W-41 and the other
> W-41's.  Anyone have any figures on these cars?  Maybe a VIN ª
> breakdown too?

I gave Drew Senko the info for the '91 Calais a while back. I think
his page with a link for the '91 is
http://members.gnn.com/senko/vin/index.htm

If you need info for the Achieva that isn't on the page, send me your
VIN (or the info on the body tag you need answers to.  I have the
Factory Service Manual for both of my cars, and can get you the info
you need.

Mike
'91 W-40 442
'93 W-41 SCX

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From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:53:20 -0400
Subject: Water Leaks!

Hey everyone,
     I'm having some problems with my '88 cultass. There seems to be a leak
coming from the drivers side firewall. Does anyone know what might cause
this? It used to do it on my '87 cutlass also, is this a common trait
amongst them?
Please help! It is really saturated! Thanks in advance.

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:52:08 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

Robert Barry wrote:

> What, you haven't installed your adjustable vacuum advance kit yet? Of
> course, don't invest in one now if you're converting over to electronic
> ignition soon (points unit is different from the HEI unit).

Well in trying to find someone to do the work I have been given a bunch
of BS.
The only place I could find locally to do the work says that I should
have the
car diagnosed first before proceeding with any work.  I think they see a
sucker
and want to bleed me dry.  This individual didn't really want to do the
work
unless I had it diagnosed.  So I just gave up on the idea and am looking
into
octane booster alternatives.  Hopefully I will find a cheap, under 3.00,
that
works good.  So far I am using 104 which is more than twice that amount.

> Oh, and if you have any difficulty removing the original distributor (which
> is likely), Greg P. can tell you what *not* to do... ;)

I'll probably have to have it removed prior to having someone work on
it.
Who knows.

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 06:52:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Quad4

The bottom ends are supposed to be really strong, but if you are
contemplating building yours up, I'd suggest pulling the pan, and
having an experienced shop inspect the rods, etc.

Mike
'91 W-40 442
''93 W-41 SCX

On 17 Mar 97 at 13:25, James William Townsend wrote:

> How much could one hop-up the power level of a Quad4 before one has
> to worry about the bottom end, like the main bearing area of the
> block, the connecting rods, etc?    I know many of these Quad4's
> will frequently be run to 7,000rpm or more(during a stoplight race),
> so I'm wondering how well they'll hold up when they are  made to put
> out a lot more power than they originally did.
>
>          Jim Townsend
>
>          '90 Calais w/HO Quad4
>
>
>

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From: joshstrub@csgnyc1.attmail.com (joshstrub)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:03:07 -0400
Subject: New Tech Advisor

For the OCA members out there you know that Dick Miller is our new tech
advisor.  I called him the other day and it was a very satisfying call.  I am
building an engine for the first time and was a little concerned about how I
was going about it and wanted to make sure I was taking all the proper
precautionary steps needed without going in 15 different directions at once.
He spent a great deal of time with me and was very helpful in getting me
pointed in the right direction.

Josh

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From: "Peter L. House" <phouse@feith1.FEITH.COM>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:13:56 -0400
Subject: 1987 Salon 442 Different

Hi, this is my first time writing. I have a 1987 Cutlass Salon and I
know that are a few difference between the 442 and the Salon, Does
anybody know the major differences. I know that the heads and the cam
are different, but how about the transmission, I have the 200 4speed
trans in the car and the 7.5 ring gear diff. , I know that the 442 has
the 8.5 ring gear, but are there any more differences. In my trunk I
have a sticker that has all of the options listed and it has the f41
option which I believe is the sam as the 442.

If anybody has anymore info. please e-mail at phouse@feith.com


Peter L. House

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:11:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Water Leaks!

At 10:53 AM 3/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>     I'm having some problems with my '88 cultass. There seems to be a leak
>coming from the drivers side firewall. Does anyone know what might cause
>this? It used to do it on my '87 cutlass also, is this a common trait
>amongst them?

Rain leak, or heater-core leak?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:29:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Water Leaks!

>
> At 10:53 AM 3/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >     I'm having some problems with my '88 cultass. There seems to be a leak
> >coming from the drivers side firewall. Does anyone know what might cause
> >this? It used to do it on my '87 cutlass also, is this a common trait
> >amongst them?
>
> Rain leak, or heater-core leak?
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>
>
Regarding water leaks. Check the seal that goes around the door,
sometimes the water will travel back that far. Also check the
windshield
phouse@feith.com

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 03:39:15 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

>Oh, and if you have any difficulty removing the original distributor (which
>is likely), Greg P. can tell you what *not* to do... ;)

HEY!  I heard that!  :)

...And a little piece of advice for everyone.  If your distributor is stuck,
don't be tempted.  Leave the tire tool in the trunk.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass-Supreme
....and about 2 and a half HEI distributors

------------------------------

From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:44:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Water Leaks!

At 12:11 PM 3/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 10:53 AM 3/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>     I'm having some problems with my '88 cultass. There seems to be a leak
>>coming from the drivers side firewall. Does anyone know what might cause
>>this? It used to do it on my '87 cutlass also, is this a common trait
>>amongst them?
>
>Rain leak, or heater-core leak?
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>
>
>
It's a rain leak. It also has a power sunroof that leaks but there is no
sign of wetness on the headliner. Could it some how be making its way down
to the floor? Thanks.

Andy Geeting
'87 Cultass Supreme
'88 Cultass Supreme Classic Brouhgam
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

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From: Jim Hoekendijk <jim.hoekendijk@pi.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:29:24 -0400
Subject: 64 Vista Cruiser parts wanted

For my 64 VC I=92m looking for an outside mirror (63-64, F85) and an =

inside mirror (54-68, all models).
I=92m also looking for the "Vista" and "Cruiser" scripts (twice). But =

there is something odd with that.
My VC doesn=92t have these scripts on the front fenders. I have a "GM =

chassis and body parts catalog for oldsmobile models thru 1975" in which =

the scripts are only listed as early as from 65 (for the 65-69 VC=92s). I =

have a 64 oldsmobile station wagons brochure which shows the VC with =

scripts on the front fenders. Does anyone know wether the 64 VC did not =

(yet) have these scripts? After all 64 is the first VC model year. And =

if not, what should I do then, keep it original without them? (the car =

is completally original and intact).


Jim Hoekendijk 64 Vista Cruiser
e-mail: jim.hoekendijk@pi.net

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:52:12 -0400
Subject: Hurst / Olds Model Kit For Sale (3/20)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to
sell:

1969 Hurst/Olds model kit.  AMT ª6898.  Factory sealed box.  $30,
including shipping to any address in the United States. (3/20/97)

Please notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to
purchase this item or if you would like additional information about
it.  Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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From: joshstrub@csgnyc1.attmail.com (joshstrub)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:20:34 -0400
Subject: Cutlass Spotted

This is not really a one time spot of  a car.  I actually see it everyday=
 for =0D
about 1 second at a time, I ride a train that is going 70 mph and the car=
 has =0D
not moved in seven months.  This is what I=92ve picked up so far,  I beli=
eve it =0D
is a =9172 Cutlass Convertible, this is because of the tail light configu=
ration =0D
only (split into three parts).  The top is white, moldy brown, and the re=
ar =0D
window is all taped up.  The car has a single exhaust which leads me to =0D=

believe it was not heavily modified.  The body is a blue and looks to be =
in =0D
good shape,  the interior would make me worry because of the top.  The wh=
eels =0D
are SSII and both rear tires are flat. The car is parked behind a factory=
 but =0D
if any one is interested I would be willing to inquire if the car is for =
sale =0D
as a hole or in parts (I really want an excuse to go look at it).  =0D
=0D
I also see a =9167 GTX every day parked and going no where fast.  I know =
the =0D
Mopar S*cks comments are going to come rolling in but I would also like a=
n =0D
excuse to see this car as well.=0D
=0D
Josh=0D

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From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:18:04 -0400
Subject: Shift kit

Hey everyone,

 I was just wondering if I put a shift kit on my '87 Cutlass, with its
103,000 mile transmission, will blow anything up? Can this transmission
handle it? And finally, will it chirp the tires like I heard it will? Thanks!

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:29:05 -0400
Subject: liscence plate sigting

Just thought I'd tell everybody, I saw a cool plate yesterday.  It was
obviously a state issued plate, and not a personalized one!  It said
"442 OLD"!  The funny part was that it wasn't even on an OLDSMOBILE!  It
was on a 80-something Pontchalac Grand Prix!

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:36:23 -0400
Subject: Heavy G-body Suspension

Hello all, after I get my cracked exhaust manifold worked out (I'm
installing headers :-) my next project will be to help out my suspension a
little bit!  I've got the weight of a 350 (at least its a small block,
whew) on the front end of an originally 6 cylinder G-body!  If there is
anybody who has done this swap, or has done a big block swap, and who
might have some advice for me, I'd really appreciate it if you'd "drop me
a line"!  Right now, my Cutlass has a "front end lower than the back end"
stance.  Too much of one in fact.  The back end of the car is higher than
stock, and the front end drags on speed bumps.  I'm thinking of going with
heavy duty coil springs and heavy duty shocks on the front, and air shocks
for the back to balance things out... opinions?  I'm thinking of just
ordering the stuff from Kanter because they seem to have a fairly good
selection... has anybody had any experiences with them?  It'll probably be
late spring if not summer before I get into this, I'm just planning
exactly what I'm going to do, but something has got to be done, because,
though the car rides smooth at 55-60, at 75 its a "rattle-bomb".

Thanks,
Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
'84 Olds Cutlass Supreme (350 4bbl. TH375 70k miles)

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From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:07:24 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance -Reply

Huh.  My car was beat once by a little Ch*vy Turbo Sprint.  Now THAT
was humiliating.  Of course, if I had been driving, rather than my friend (who
shouldn't have been racing my car in the first place), I would have been
able to put up a good fight.  But even still, you have to realize that those
little turbo-charged rice burners are light as a feather compared to our
tanks, and it takes much less to get them going.  I'll bet in the 1/4 mile
you'd have totally blown him away.


At 10:57 PM 3/19/97 -0400, Travis Adams wrote:
>Well guys I was humiliated pretty bad today.  The first warm sunny day
>here in MT in quite awhile and my car performed lousy.  I have a 65 442
>with a 455, D cast heads, Q-Jet, stock manifold, low comp pistons (not
>exactly sure how low), a mild factory cam (believed to be about a 282
>duration), true 2 1/2" dual exhaust with x-over pipe and Dynomax Super
>Turbo mufflers, TH400 with switch-pitch and shift kit, and 3.42 posi
>axle.  Can someone tell me why I could barely pull away from a late
>model Eclipse Turbo?

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:09:26 -0400
Subject: Re: New Tech Advisor

In a message dated 97-03-20 11:11:01 EST, you write:

<<
 For the OCA members out there you know that Dick Miller is our new tech
 advisor.  I called him the other day and it was a very satisfying call. >>

Is this the same Dick Miller that had a Hot Rod article done on him and his
mid-80's cutlass a few years back?  There was a build-up article on the Olds.
small block, basically a "how to" thing.

Chris Ruper

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From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 03:11:47 -0400
Subject: weatherstripping installation

Hey can someone tell how the chrome trim and weatherstripping piece on
the quarter glass comes off? I haven't had time to look at it closely (I
got my weatherstripping from UPS at like 6pm yesterday and I have been
at work all day, with another 3.5 hours to go!) It looks like it just
pulls off, like it is just pressed on tightly. Thanks in advance.


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:33:46 -0400
Subject: 1967 Cutlass for sale

I saw this ad in the Beaumont Enterprise a Southeast Texas newspaper:

   '67 Cutlass 2 door sedan
   64,000 actual miles
   original paint
   $1995
   409-383-0377   409-383-0275

I am assuming the area code is correct as none was listed.

Paul Pate
1970 Cutlass S

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 14:43:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Cutlass Spotted

You wont get any Mopar sucks comments from me. I love em. In fact I like
most of the 60's and early 70's cars no mattter who made them.
Walter
66 Delta ragtop (now in the regristry)
67 Charger 440 4 speed
67 Cougar ( my dads car.... he never owned a Olds)
65 Chevy PU
56 Belair 2 DR/HT

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> From: joshstrub <joshstrub@csgnyc1.attmail.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Cutlass Spotted
> Date: Thursday, March 20, 1997 11:20 AM
>

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From: John Schumacher <jd.schumacher@baylordallas.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:04:44 -0400
Subject: Re: weatherstripping installation

Shang wrote:
>
> Hey can someone tell how the chrome trim and weatherstripping piece on
> the quarter glass comes off?

It is glued on.  Carefully pull it off the glass, clean the old glue out
of the trim, slide in the new rubber, and glue back on the glass with
trim adhesive.

- --
John "Shoe-Man" Schumacher
North Texas Olds Club ª25464 Dynamic 88
Dallas, Texas69 442
OCA ª02115174 Cutlass Supreme

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:40:28 -0400
Subject: Re: weatherstripping installation

At 03:11 AM 3/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey can someone tell how the chrome trim and weatherstripping piece on
>the quarter glass comes off? I haven't had time to look at it closely (I
>got my weatherstripping from UPS at like 6pm yesterday and I have been
>at work all day, with another 3.5 hours to go!) It looks like it just
>pulls off, like it is just pressed on tightly. Thanks in advance.
>
>
>Stephen Hoover
>Dallas, Texas
>'70 Cutlass "S"


The weatherstipping just slides out by pulling down towards the ground. The
opposite to install new. The chrome piece is cemented to the glass, you
might tap it off with a putty knife and a SMALL hammer.

Jim Chermack >

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:26:09 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

At 10:42 AM 3/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Help me understand something.  Is it better to go with the electronic
>or points?
>
>Will the electronic system help with pinging?
>
>How much is it to convert from a points system to an electronic one?
>
>Chris Sparks
>68 442
>
>
No, electronic ignition will do nothing about pinging.  Pinging is caused by
a combination of compression ratio, octane rating of the fuel, and ignition
timing.  If you cause the ignition to be late you can use lower octane, if
you have less compression ratio you can have earlier timing or less octane.
Its sort of a vicious circle.  With very high octane you can have both
beneficial timing and compression ratio.  But you cannot buy high
compression (read that high octane) at every filling station.

Conversion is rasonably cheap and easy.

Get a late model electronic 8 cylinder Oldsmobile distributor core.  It
would be best to have it overhauled, and get a very late model so that you
can eliminate the solenoid type voltage regulator too, original equipment on
a '68.  Both have beneficial effects on the operation of your car.
Depending on the degree of overhaul you can expect to  spend in the $100. to
$200 range for everything.  The major improvement will be found in spark
plug life that will go from <> 10,000 miles with a points distributor to a
number often well in excess of 30,000.  My aunt has 80,000 miles on her '87
Impala and is yet to replace the plugs.  She doesn't know, and doesn't care;
as long as it runs.  I think if you pulled one of those plugs you would find
the visable part of the center electrode completely eaten away, and the
spark is jumping well into the porcelain.

But it runs.

The Wiz

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From: BBraden@qualitybio.com
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:51:09 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance


     James William Townsend wrote:
     >
     > Travis,
     >
     > How can a car that destroys 396 Chevys and 440 Mopars barely beat a
     Mitsu
     > Turbo?!  Did you modify the car since you beat those other big
     blocks?
     > Sounds like somethings not right.  You think maybe the Mitsu was
     using
     > nitrous?
     > Sorry I can't offer any advice, but I hope you figure it out.
     >
     >             Jim Townsend
     >
     >             '90 Calais

     >Jim,
     >If it was a AWD turbo,they have unreal o-60 cabability if launched
     >right.You will eventually catch them as they run out of steam but off
     >the line they are really tough to beat .
     >Frank

     Jim,

     I too have to agree with Frank.  I was at the strip last summer and
     saw one of these (admittedly modified) pull a 1.60 sec. 60foot time
     and a 12.6 quarter mile.

     Bob Braden
     Hockessin DE
     bbraden@qualitybio.com
     71 442
     72 442 Conv.

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:50:35 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

C.R.F. wrote:

> No, electronic ignition will do nothing about pinging.  Pinging is caused by
> a combination of compression ratio, octane rating of the fuel, and ignition
> timing.  If you cause the ignition to be late you can use lower octane, if
> you have less compression ratio you can have earlier timing or less octane.
> Its sort of a vicious circle.  With very high octane you can have both
> beneficial timing and compression ratio.  But you cannot buy high
> compression (read that high octane) at every filling station.

A weird formula popped in my head.  Take the octane level of the gas you
use and divide by 10 to get an approximate compression ratio.  If you
use:

 88 octane =>  8.8 : 1 compression ratio
 92 octane =>  9.2 : 1 compression ratio
100 octane => 10.0 : 1 compression ratio

Almost seems to fit doesn't it?

Just bored I guess....

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:56:01 -0400
Subject: '83/'84 H/O Spoiler tips

     I know that it's very common for the "wingtips" on the end of the
     spoiler on the '83/'84 Hurst/Olds to come off and get lost.  After
     all, they're just glued on.

     I don't need any myself, but I have noticed many people looking for
     them and I haven't ever seen any for sale.  I've recently came across
     a friend with the ability to make reproductions of these.  They
     probably wouldn't be exactly identical to the originals in material or
     workmanship, but after all it's a small part with not many features to
     it.  I doubt anyone could tell once they're in place, primered and
     painted.  If I could reproduce these, is there anyone here that might
     be interested in a set?  If so, how much would you be willing to pay
     for a reproduction set?  How much are NOS wingtips going for?

     Thanks in advance,

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

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From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:13:24 -0400
Subject: Re: '83/'84 H/O Spoiler tips

>
>
>      I know that it's very common for the "wingtips" on the end of the
>      spoiler on the '83/'84 Hurst/Olds to come off and get lost.  After
>      all, they're just glued on.
>
>      I don't need any myself, but I have noticed many people looking for
>      them and I haven't ever seen any for sale.  I've recently came across
>      a friend with the ability to make reproductions of these.  They
>      probably wouldn't be exactly identical to the originals in material or
>      workmanship, but after all it's a small part with not many features to
>      it.  I doubt anyone could tell once they're in place, primered and
>      painted.  If I could reproduce these, is there anyone here that might
>      be interested in a set?  If so, how much would you be willing to pay
>      for a reproduction set?  How much are NOS wingtips going for?
>
>      Thanks in advance,
>
>      Tom Lentz
>      tlentz@teknon.com
>
>

How about the whole wing ????

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From: Matthew Butler <matthewbutler@oscsystems.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:21:18 -0400
Subject: 455 Cam selection

Howdy All!!!

I need some help/suggestions with a cam for my 455.  This engine is in
my boat and I expect to see 5000RPM Max with it.  Currently I have bored
the block 0.030, TRW High compression Forged pistions(most likely
9.5:1), C heads(no porting), Dual Offy Tunnel Ram Which I haven't bought
carbs for yet, but most likely Holley 600's or 390's.  Currently I am using
an Elgin cam.  These specs are advertised specs for the cam.
Unfortunetely I don't know the lobe seperations. But...  292/320 duration
with 496/520 Lift.  This cam is about the max for a hydralic cam on a 455.
 As a matter of fact I had to have the valve guides shortened a little for
the 520 exhaust lift.  But, I am concern since I never see more than
5000RPM that I am missing some potential of the motor with this cam.
Because I never get to the RPM range that the cam was intended for.  If
any of you have any suggestions... I would appreciate them.

Thanks,

Matt Butler - If you do respond, please CC me directly at
matthewbutler@fsd.com

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:21:44 -0400
Subject: Vista Cruiser.....   sighting I think....  And a few Toros...

Hey Vista Cruiser people, I've spotted something this last weekend that I
think was a Vista Cruiser, but it had 6 (yes, six!) doors total (three per
side).  Holy Sh*t!  Was that thing huge....   I like it!  It was
awesome........   From the looks of it, it was a late 60's, early 70's maybe.
 Is that what I saw (a Vista?)?  The nose on it looked like the '67 model
year (after checking my "Setting the Pace" to guage the year, I'm getting
better, but not THAT good to spot the years... yet).  I only caught it as I
passed it at a stoplight, and I didn't notice it had so many doors until
after I went past it, otherwise I would have chased it down.  It looked in ok
shape from what I could tell, would be an interesting "project" car to get a
hold of.  Now, I've gotta keep an eye out for it, or go cruising (pardon the
pun) around the back streets to find it.

If this actually was a Vista, would this have been the "three seat" option
listed in the back of "Setting the Pace"?

There is also a shop North of here that has a few Toros hanging around all
the time.  There are two mid-60's or so, look in halfway decent shape, and a
few newer ones (70's maybe?).  There were quite a few in total, and the older
ones looked like they were being driven on a regular basis.  May stop by
there one of these days.....

Chris Ruper

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From: "Peter L. House" <phouse@feith1.FEITH.COM>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:25:09 -0400
Subject: 442 rear wing and scoop

Does anybody know of a catalog or a manufacturer that makes the rear
spoiler and the hood scoop for the 1984-86 Hurst 442. The scoop is the
non-functional bolt on type

87 Salon
Peter L. House
phouse@feith.com

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:26:16 -0400
Subject: 4.1 liter computer wanted

Hello all,

I have a friend who needs a 4.1 liter 4bbl. computer for his Delta 88.  He
can't afford hardly anything right now, so it would have to be fairly
cheap.  If anybody has swapped this 6 for a V8 or knows of one in a
junkyard cheap, would they please contact me!

Thanksabunch,
Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 10:26:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Water Leaks!

     Assuming that it's not rain leaking in from the outside (if it only
     leaks when it rains, then that's what it is) then it's most likely a
     heater core leaking.  I've never changed one myself on these cars, but
     I hear it's not too bad.  Well, at least not as bad as some other cars
     I've worked on, like my old N*va where I swear the first part plunked
     down onto the assembly line was the heater core, and they then
     proceeded to build the car around it.  On your cutlass you get at the
     core from the engine side of the firewall, and it involves removing
     the metal strip at the bottom of the windshield.

     As a temporary fix, if you don't need a heater, you can take the two
     hoses going into the heater core at the fire wall and hook them
     together.  You'll need an adapter since the hoses are different sizes
     (3/4" and 5/8" I think.  Why?  Good question).  Someone here a while
     back mentioned where to get such an adaptor.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Water Leaks! Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    3/20/97 1:28 PM


Hey everyone,
     I'm having some problems with my '88 cultass. There seems to be a leak
coming from the drivers side firewall. Does anyone know what might cause
this? It used to do it on my '87 cutlass also, is this a common trait
amongst them?
Please help! It is really saturated! Thanks in advance.

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe



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