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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:20:31 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Larger wheels,Larger tires

Would it be possible to put this up on a web page? I would prefer to put the
URL in the FAQ instead.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
            FAQ 3.0 available soon!!!
Olds FAQ 2.0 at: http://www.en.com/users/thall/
                 ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds

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This is a 25 line C program. I should have posted that instead.

For 38 lines of code, you get to pick the size to spit out and all tire
sizes within X inches of the input size!

I am looking at putting something like P225/70-R14 or P235/70-R14 on my
'65 98. Anybody put some fat tires on one of these beasts???


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* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
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From: Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:26:03 -0400
Subject: Re: My Story...

From: NotDads442@aol.com

>After much discussion with Olds on-line recently, my next car to find
>will be a 1991 I-Series Calais Sedan(4-door) with a 5-speed.  According
>the the sheet Olds sent me there were 58 made!

Wow.  Never even heard of one of these.  I asssume that would be
the Getrag trans.  I thought this came on the 3.4L cars, but
didnt the 3.4L come out in '92?

The fact that it would be in a 4-door would make it pretty rare indeed.

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:23:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Gremlins !!!!!!!!!

>>Take the lightbulb out!

> Jim, I can't believe that YOU, of all people, would say something
> like that!!!!   :)

*****
Y'all are wearing your seatbelts every time you're in the car anyway,
right?  So what difference would the bulb not being there to work
make?


          ---
 ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ---    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
 --------------------------------------------------

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From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:34:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

At 03:57 PM 2/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>> I don't know about in a 16 or 17, but me and my friend have found that a
>> 245 is the wides 14 that will still turn in the front wheel well without
>> modifications.  Maybe take a look at this, you might be please with the
>> looks.  Say something like a 245-60-14 or 245-55-14 ($$$) might look
>> pretty good, and just think that way you could still use your original
>> wheels.  If you absolutely want the look of 16's or 17's, I'm afraid that
>> I can't help you there.
>>
>> Clayton Pierce,
>> zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
>> '84 Cutlass Supreme (350 4bbl. TH400 69k miles)
>> (205-65-14's on front, 225-70-14's on back)
>
>
>On the subject of putting 245's on 14" wheels:
>
>I think my 14" wheels are 14x6 and I think that 15" wheels are 15x7.
>Was there ever a 14x7 width wheel?
>
>Isn't 245 too wide for a 6" wide wheel?
>
>I think you need to consider the width of the wheel when you look for the
>widest tire that can be mounted on it.  I am only talking about the ability
>to mount a 245 onto a 14" wheel.  As others have noted, there will be
>clearance problems on the front wheels regardless of whether the tires fit
>onto the wheel or not.
>
>--                                                               _
>                               1971 Oldsmobile                   |\
>Drew Senko                     Cutlass Supreme    .__====-_._____|_\______
>senko@reston.ans.net             Convertible      [   ___  |-     |  ___  \
>http://members.aol.com/drewinva                   =\_//.\\_|______|_//.\\__)
>______________________________________________________\_/____________\_/_____
>
>
>
 That is what I have on my '87 right now, 245/60R14 Goodyear Eagle ST's and
there haven't been any problems at all. I just want bigger! Arrgghhh! (Tim
Allen grunt)

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:34:55 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

  I like Pensoil 30 weight all year 'round.  My cars seem to drip or leak
less with this oil and besides it is still one of the only organic oils left
on the market which is the oil my engine was designed to be run with.

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:39:30 -0400
Subject: RE: 1991 Olds W-41

At 10:08 AM 2/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>As a former owner of many brands of musclecars (including 7 5.0 Mustangs), I
[snip]
>The Motor Trend mag I have when they tested the W-41, I believe stated a 1/4
>time of 14.7 at something in the low 90s mph(The 1991 Vette they tested ran
>14.3 or 14.2).  At the time, the 5-speed 5.0s were running in the mid 15's so

Hmmm, I recall lots of road-tests where well-driven 5-speed 5.0's were
running between 14.0 and 14.5 in the quarter. In fact, I clearly recall a
quickie road-test of a stripped 1985 LX notchback that ran 14.3 in stock
form. So there definitely were quicker ones. The automatic, though, was
definitely slower than the W-41 in pure stock form.

14.7 from a W-41; hmmm, put is right in the league with the '71-'72 442's,
and is just about where a 4-bbl '70 SX would be...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:44:51 -0400
Subject: [none]

subscribe oldsmobile-digest

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From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:08:52 -0400
Subject: I'm Back

	I'm finally back from a month long class. My brain is full!

                                                       ___  ___
                                              /     /    / /  /
                                             / __  /  --/ /  /
       Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick /_/ /_/ ___/ /__/ Red

             (MCORNEA@gtwy.ford.com)

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From: Daniel Houlton <tc75918@hpr169.mdhc.mdc.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:14:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

Timothy Carl Hietpas wrote:
>
> rubbing the back for the tire or rim against the frame.  Lastly, I hope you
> don't plan on driving the car in the winter.  A tire that big will not get
> decent traction behind a 4 cylinder.  I too wanted the wider tire on the

The original poster has an '87 Cutlass Supreme and this is the RWD G body
right?  These didn't come with a 4 cyl.  Just the V6 or 307 V8.  And even
if it did, what's that got to do with how much traction it gets in the
snow?  Just because it's (presumably) lighter than the V6 or V8?


> car look.  I have an '87 442 which came with 215-65-R15.  A nice size but
> I wanted more.  I went with a 245-70-R15 on the rear.  It did not affact
> the speedometer but gave me a clearance of 1/2 inch from the tire to the
> frame.  EXTREMELY CLOSE TO THE FRAME!!!  It looks realy nice with the
> wider tire but there is a problem here.  From switching from the 215-65
> to the 245-70 the overall diameter of the tire droped by 1 inch.  So now

If the tire size changed, how could that NOT affect the spedo? If the rear
tire diameter goes up, you're going faster than indicated, if it goes down,
you're going slower than indicated.


> it looks like my rear springs are sagging because the rear of the car is
> 1 inch lower than stock while the front is still at factory height.  I

Are the tires 1" smaller in diameter, or did the car drop 1" (which would
indicate a 2" smaller diameter tire)?

And, how is it that the 215-65-R15 yielded a larger diameter than the
245-70-R15?  This is just the opposite of what should have happened.

215 x .65 = 139.75mm   Tire height from rim to outside
            x 2  =  279.5mm  Total tire height for both sides of rim
                 =  11"
                   +15"  =  26" Total diameter for tire and rim.

245 x .70 = 171.5mm   Tire height from rim to outside
            x 2  =  343mm  Total tire height for both sides of rim
                 =  13.5"
                   +15"  =  28.5" Total diameter for tire and rim.


So going from the 215-65-R15 to a 245-70-R15 should INCREASE the tire
diameter by 2.5 inches and cause the rear of the car to lift ~1.25"

No flames intended, I'm just confused by what you're saying.  Did I
figure something wrong here?

- --Dan

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:39:46 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

> Does anyone have any advice on:
>
> 1.)	Cleaning a (should-be) white convertible top.  The top is in 
	good
> shape, so I don't want to replace it.

Back when I had a white-topped convertible (Not an Olds, not even GM --
it's named rhymed with, err..."Macca-ruda" :) ) I used Barcelona cleanser,
full strength on it.  Used a scrub brush, and then hosed off.
Got it back real nice & white, but rough on any cuts or scratches on your
hands.

Big Red has the J.C. Whitney black top the P.O. put on it -- the main reason
I only drive on sunny days, with the top down.  Originally came with a white
top according to the body tag, and that's whats going on this year..




Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:48:28 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

At 10:51 AM 2/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone have any advice on:
>
>1.)	Cleaning a (should-be) white convertible top.  The top is in 
	good
>shape, so I don't want to replace it.
>
>2.)	What brand and weight of oil do you recommend using.
>
>Thanks in advance for any help
>
>Craig Smith
>68 442
>
>
As for motor oil I use Shell Rotella T 15w40 in everything that runs in the
winter, and either Shell Rotella T 30 or 40 in the summer, depending on the
vehicle.

The Wiz

P.S. I know nothing about cleaning covertible tops.

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:46:23 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

> 1.)	Cleaning a (should-be) white convertible top.  The top is in good
> shape, so I don't want to replace it.

My old GM-mechanic friend had a '73 Delta convertible with a white top
and interior. He used some sort of powdered cleaner, bright orange stuff,
that he got from the dealer, mixed in a bucket of water. It did a really
outstanding job. Maybe someone here knows the name of it...?

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 06:44:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Seam Filler?

I'm in the same situation with my '66 GTO, needing to replace the cracked and
falling off seam sealer on the firewall.  I know Eastwood Co. has a few
different seam fillers.  One in tube form that you use in a caulk(sp) gun and
another that is called brushable seam sealer.  I will probably be buying the
tube and using the caulk gun, I think it said it can be smoothed with your
finger and either painted over or applied to bare metal or something.  Don't
recall offhand, check their catalog for specifics and price.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback
All of which will be relocating to a recently purchased house with enuff room
to park four in the garages and maybe the parts car in the shed.

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:05:37 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

At 11:03 AM 2/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone have any advice on:
>>
>> 2.)     What brand and weight of oil do you recommend using.
>
>This ought to be good.  I'm sure we're going to get a lot of different
>opinions on this as well as a good disertation from someone (I think I
>already know who) on how oil is graded.
>
>Kurt (eagerly waiting)
>71 442
>
>

Who?

Unfortunately they no longer use Pennsylvania crude (read their labels) to
produce the brite stock for Penzoil or Quakerstate oils; in their day
'Pennsylvania' motor oils were superior.

All the major refiners make excellent mid-continent based crude stock oils,
and Monsanto makes the additives.

Today it's much a toss up, as long as you pick from the major refiners.
Pick the necessary grade from your owners manual.

Use a good multi-viscosity oil in the winter (if you live where it's cold),
and run a straight weight in the summer.  Change your oil and filter.  The
additives 'wear out' in 1000 miles, so give that some consideration when you
see the car manufacturers recommended change intervals.

The motor oil will oxidize, and the military changes the oil in their
motors, every six months, even if it was never started.

Also branding today is something that must be taken with at least a grain of
salt too.  The first time I saw a foreign (transport truck from another
major oil co. that had a canning plant in Saint Louis) pull a load of brite
stock out of Shell Wood River, I figured that the brand name on the can was
about all that was different.

I use Shell Rotella T 15w40 in the winter, and Shell Rotella T 30 or 40 in
the summer, depending on the car.

The Wiz
Once in the 'oil' business

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:09:38 -0400
Subject: B Pillar Post moldings

Hi all,

Does anyone know where I can find "B" pillar post moldings (thin
plastic pieces that screw into the post metal with two screws)?

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:16:11 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

At 11:34 AM 2/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>  I like Pensoil 30 weight all year 'round.  My cars seem to drip or leak
>less with this oil and besides it is still one of the only organic oils left
>on the market which is the oil my engine was designed to be run with.
>
>
I'm keeping my mouth shut.  But boy this one would be fun.

Anon. I

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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:22:20 -0400
Subject: RE: 1991 Olds W-41

On  6 Feb 97 at 11:39, Robert Barry wrote:

> 14.7 from a W-41; hmmm, put is right in the league with the '71-'72
> 442's, and is just about where a 4-bbl '70 SX would be...

And you guys think the Quad442s were a disgrace to the 442 nameplate.
 Anyone care to remember the mid-70's to 80's 442s, like the giant
hatchback looking ones? (Yuck!)

The H.O. Quads and Mike: '91 W-40 442, '93 W-41 SCX

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:16:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

Dan Lacey sez:

> Sorry for the 300+ entries... I wanted some feedback on accuracy, so I
> published EVERYTHING. Forgot about the MM tho... Should probably change to
> inches as well.
>
> This is a 25 line C program. I should have posted that instead.

Tres cool.  If'n you don't want to post it, could you e-mail it to me?
>
> For 38 lines of code, you get to pick the size to spit out and all tire
> sizes within X inches of the input size!
>
> I am looking at putting something like P225/70-R14 or P235/70-R14 on my
> '65 98. Anybody put some fat tires on one of these beasts???

FWIW, Big Red is running 235/70-R14s on 14x6 SSIs.  This doesn't help
vis-a-vis yer full-size application, but I note it because the tires fit well
on the SSIs and I have no clearance problems running at stcok height.

P.S.  They are Goodyear Eagle STs, which I hear are discontinued now :(
      Good thing mine have only 'bout 4000 miles on 'em...


Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:35:39 -0400
Subject: Re: My Story...

On  6 Feb 97 at 11:26, Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott wrote:

> From: NotDads442@aol.com
> >After much discussion with Olds on-line recently, my next car to
> >find will be a 1991 I-Series Calais Sedan(4-door) with a 5-speed.
> >According the the sheet Olds sent me there were 58 made!
>
> Wow.  Never even heard of one of these.  I asssume that would be the
> Getrag trans.  I thought this came on the 3.4L cars, but didnt the
> 3.4L come out in '92?

The 3.4L went into the Cutlass Supreme.  The H.O. Quads only had the
Getrag from the factory.  And I believe you're right the 3.4 came out
in either late '91 or '92.

The H.O. Quads and Mike:  '91 442, '93 SCX

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:49:15 -0400
Subject: TCS switch

Bobby Etzel,
I sent you an Email, and it came back. Can you Email me at my address?

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:29:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Flames

> >Of course you are right.  I don't know who changed my post like that.
> >Ever since Lincoln was elected, you can't trust government anymore.
> >
> >Bill Culp
> >Decatur, Alabama

Gee Bill, what a sore loser! :)  And you're a transplant, even...

> Lincoln, h*ll.  Washington was a farmer.  Adams was a... Ever since Adams
> (John) is closer to the truth.
>
> The Wiz

Adams was a brewer!  No, wait, that was his brother, Samuel... :)



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:54:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Talk about Octane

Stephen,
Which airport sells you the avgas? Is it the airport itself, or an individual
business located at that airport. I'd like to experiment with some low octane
avgas.

Art Fuller
Kennedale, Texas
mefco@sprynet.com

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:53:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
>
> Dan Lacey sez:
> > This is a 25 line C program. I should have posted that instead.
>
> Tres cool.  If'n you don't want to post it, could you e-mail it to me?

Tim.  Shouldn't you be wanting it in Ada? :-)

Hmmmm?

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: Escape442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:00:29 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

In a message dated 97-02-06 10:00:09 EST, you write:

>Does anyone have any advice on:
>
>1.)	Cleaning a (should-be) white convertible top.  The top is in 
	good
>shape, so I don't want to replace it.

Craig, Whatever you do, DO NOT use Bleech-White, the whitewall tire cleaner.
 In my youth, I tried it on a tonneu cover and it RUINED it. It completely
dried out and cracked.  If you can't get it clean with Tide and a scrub
brush, you could always use upholstery dye and spray it white again.  Ed
   Escape442@aol.com

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From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:42:00 -0400
Subject: Performance !

Frank Gonzalez wrote:

>I once replaced the stock 4v intake on my 72 350 cutlass with a
>performer.The car had already had headers and 2 1/2 pipes with generic
>turbo mufflers which reduced 1\4 mile times by .2 and upped speed 4 mph
>I then rejeted the carb and gained .1 and another 2mph.I then added
>Performer Intake and saw a gain .1 and no mph but discovered carb still
>needed to be richer after which it picked up an additiuonal .1 and 4mph.
>That would be approx 20hp gain atributed to manifold.However I dont know
>if this holds true for 455.(all track times were averaged over 3 runs.)"

What were you 1/4 times and MPH, before and after ?? Which rearend ration,
etc did you have ? Having raced just about all of my cars (stock and
modified), I am interested in the performance potential of each combination.
My 1969 350 4V Cutlass (stock) with 2.73 gears ran 16.40 @80 mph. My 1970
350 2V Cutlass with 2.56 gears ran 16.80 @80 MPH.

John Pajak              DR OLDS
Lexington Park, MD
Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL

65 Delta 88
66 Toro Deluxe
69 Cutlass S
70 Cutlass S  (3)
70 Cutlass S W31
70 442 W30 Convert
71 Cutlass Supreme 2D HT
72 Delta 88 Convert
72 442 W30 Convert
72 442 Convert
72 Cutlass Supreme Convert
72 Cutlass S
72 Cutlass
86 Cutlass Supreme
68 Fairlane 500 Station Wagon
75 F-100
82 Suburban

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From: Escape442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:08:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Mice in my intake

In a message dated 97-02-06 10:06:26 EST, you write:

>By the way, I recommend catching this radio show each week as it's
>highly entertaining and occasionally also educational.  I also
>recommend visiting their WEB site, where you'll find alot of
>entertaining information.
>
>          ---
> ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
>|        | | |   OCA #3943

Tom, Have you ever heard of "On the Road" with Jeff Brooks?  It is also a
talk radio program about cars and problems.  The host could bury those two
guys on NPR.  Try all of the smaller AM stations on Saturday mornings.  And
you don't have to listen to all the cornball humor.   Ed    Escape442@aol.com

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From: Dawn Roode <dawnr@curtco.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:10:52 -0400
Subject: Cutlass bench seat dimensions

Does anyone know the length of the standard bench seat in a 68 Cutlass
convertible?  I believe it is either 54" or 60" (yeah, I know --
"measure it!" -- but my boyfriend's got the car now, and I'm trying to
buy seat covers he wants without him knowing, so...).

Thanks for the help!
- --Dawn

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From: IRA_H_SIEGELMAN@vnyao.dcmdw.dla.mil (IRA H SIEGELMAN)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:10:09 -0400
Subject: Octane Boost

     Where can this LS130 be purchased? I can't seem to find it in
     California.

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From: Meyer Stolberg <meyer@highsoftny.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:13:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Mustangs vs. W-41

Hi Oldsmofriends,
    I'm back on the list after a several month hiatus.  I'm so happy to see
a thread on a subject dear to my heart...

Like Cecil and Jeff, I scouted the 1991 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais Quad 442
W-41. Yes, that's its complete nate.  I found articles in FOUR magazines: Car
& Driver, Motor Trend, Automobile, and Popular Mechanics.  All this attention
for a car that wasn't produced yet, but would only be produced in limited
quantities (200) for homologation purposes.  At the time, I had a 1988
Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais (150 hp Quad 4).

At Watkins Glen in 1991, I met the Hacker brothers, the IMSA Showroom Stock
series champion in the W-41 (they won 6 out of 9 races over SHOs, Hondas,
etc.).
They wanted me to show the Rossi Toyota team (P.J. Jones was driver) pictures
of my W-41 because the MR2 folds didn't believe the W-41 was an actual
production
vehicle.

According to a 1991 Oldsmobile Rocketparts magazine/catalog, the car was
dragstripped at 14.6 sec in the 1/4 mile at 95.7 mph.  Other car magazines
gave it times in the mid-to-high 14s while C & D gave it 15.1.  The latter
magazine probably didn't take advantage of the limited slip front
differential. For autocrossing, I drop the clutch at 2500 rpm for maximum
launch.


>Mike Evans wrote..
>
>>As a former owner of many brands of musclecars (including 7 5.0 Mustangs), I
>>necessarily must take exception here.  Don't get me wrong--I love Quad 4's,
>>especially, the W-41, and it may have taken a few automatic or unsuspecting
>>5.0's--but, generally speaking, on the dragstrip, even a stock 5-speed 5.0
>>with a decent driver would win, hands down.

Mike, time for some abuse.  I spent 1.5 days(!) in a race-prepared Mustang at
Bob Bondurant's race school.  I was not impressed coming down the back
straight. This was before driving a 850 lb, 120 hp, 2.0L Formula F*rd.  That
impressed me.

Sure the 5.0L is 1.0 sec faster in the 60 and less than a car length slower in
the quarter, but it doesn't breathe well in the high RPMs.  It also has 35
more HP, gobs more torque, 400+ more LBS, 4 more cylinders, and is at least
$5K more expensive.  My W-41 accelerates past 2500 rpm and then takes off
like a banshee until redline.  Meanwhile, I'm getting 30+ MPG on the highway.
Race car and daily driver.

A stock W-41 will beat a stock 5.0 Mustang as long as both drivers
shift at redline and don't spin their wheels excessively on launch.

Meyer Stolberg
1991 Cutlass Calais Quad 442 W-41  "Flash"
1996 Ch*vy K1500 Z-71 w/3rd door   "Big Red"

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:25:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

Post the Program!
Post the Program!
Post the Program!

Oh yeah, how impolite of me:  PLEASE post the program!

Thanks,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

------------------------------

From: Aaron Neumann <neumann.12@osu.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:31:00 -0400
Subject: RE: A Few Q's

>Does anyone have any advice on:
>
>1.)	Cleaning a (should-be) white convertible top.  The top is in 
	good
>shape, so I don't want to replace it.
>
>2.)	What brand and weight of oil do you recommend using.>
>
Hey Craig.  I've tried a coupla industrial strength cleaners for my top, and
I found what works best is called "Mean Green."  It's not very expensive and
comes in a squirt bottle.  I never seen any cleaner designed expressly for
convertable tops.  Also be careful not to get to much cleaner or scrub to
hard on the stitching...some of those concentrated cleaners can really
weaken it.

As far as oil, it depends on your climate.  I'm in Ohio and my car sees hot
summer days and frigid winter days so I use 10W-30.  Usually Valvoline or
Pennzoil or Quaker State.  Personal preference.

- -Aaron

 _____
|  |  |
|  |  | Aaron Neumann Coulumbus, OH  (614) 294-7354
|  |  | neumann.12@osu.edu  or  me250007@rcl.eng.ohio-state.edu
| /|\ | 72 Delta 88 Royale Conv. (with 400 brand spanking new horses)
|/_|_\|

------------------------------

From: Jar Lyons <jarl@xactlabs.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:37:30 -0400
Subject: Best Conv Top Cleaner

For my 72 delta 88, I used Gunk, which was hands down the best
cleaner I've seen.   I also scrub it into my winter gortex coat
once a year before I throw it into the washer.

You wouldn't believe the results.

Now that I've got a new top for my cutlass, I think I'll just
go with the stuff the installer recommended.  I don't remember
the name, but I'm afraid that the gunk would have eventually
broken down the material.

On the up side, I never saw any degradation, and I washed it that
way for well over a year before I sold it.


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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:36:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Mustangs vs. W-41

On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Meyer Stolberg wrote:


> A stock W-41 will beat a stock 5.0 Mustang as long as both drivers
> shift at redline and don't spin their wheels excessively on launch.
>
> Meyer Stolberg
> 1991 Cutlass Calais Quad 442 W-41  "Flash"
> 1996 Ch*vy K1500 Z-71 w/3rd door   "Big Red"

That probably depends on the Mustang, a stock GT has a top end of only
120-130, and very poor acceleration past about 60 or so.  A Cobra has much
improved top end and high mph acceleration.  Probably the best of them all
in stock form in my opinion was the 5.0l LX version, quite a bit lighter
than either the Cobra or the GT.  Incedentally, my '84 Cutlass with the
stock '74 350 and TH400 will beat a GT mustang on both bottom end (with me
having only 2.41:1 gears) and top end; will beat a Cobra on top end (never
raced for bottom end); and I've never raced a 5.0 LX though I've driven
one before.  I've also got to admit, that one of those little Mustang
ragtops at 100mph is kinda fun!  Oh, and I must qualify the races with my
car I mention because it was not on a track, was not timed, and it is a
good question whether or not the other person was as good a driver as I
(or vice-versa).

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.EDU

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:49:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Talk about Octane

At 01:54 PM 2/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Stephen,
>Which airport sells you the avgas? Is it the airport itself, or an=
 individual=20
>business located at that airport. I'd like to experiment with some low=
 octane=20
>avgas.
>
>Art Fuller
>Kennedale, Texas
>mefco@sprynet.com
>
>

The airport in question will answer your first question.  Some airports have
their own facilities, and you in effect buy your fuel from the airport.
Other airports have 'FBO's that provide fuel.  Go out to any general
aviation (small planes) airport and ask.  Also, in an earlier post on this
server today, it was suggested to take some Jerry cans along to transport
the gasoline, and keep your purposes to yourself.  Also some airports sell
car gas for airplanes so make sure of what you are buying.

The only advantage to Avgas is that fact that some of it is Hi-Octane.  It
is absolutely pointless to pay the premium for Av gas 87, which will run in
your car exactly the same as car gas 87!  The purpose of Av gas is for
airplanes.  They don't operate under the same conditions that cars do.  Why?
you might ask.  Because at high altitudes car gas will boil in the fuel
tanks, which is not a healthy condition.  Avgas is blended so that it does
not boil at high altitudes.  (This is a fairly technical mechanical aspect
of gasoline, in terms of vapor pressure and temperature, I believe.  I only
understand the concept in general, not to the specifics). Car gas of the
proper Octane value will probably work quite well in an airplane if it is
operated below 6000 to 8000 feet or so, and any special considerations for
lead are observed too.

The nice part about Avgas, obviously, is that when it is produced with high
octane numbers the octane value can be utilized in your car, as it obviously
will not boil on the ground, at or just above sea level; and the temperature
below 100=BA F.

The Wiz

P.S. A question for any oil refinery types on this list.  How do they
determine Octane numbers when they go above 100?  If you run pure Octane in
a standard motor you get a reading of 100.  Just curious.

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:52:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

At 01:53 PM 2/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
>>
>> Dan Lacey sez:
>> > This is a 25 line C program. I should have posted that instead.
>>
>> Tres cool.  If'n you don't want to post it, could you e-mail it to me?
>
>Tim.  Shouldn't you be wanting it in Ada? :-)
>
>Hmmmm?
>
>Chris Sparks
>68 442
>
>
Are you guys talking about my GED instructoress, Ada C. Fortran?

Anon. I

P.S. Her 'C' stands for Cobol!

------------------------------

From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:56:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Mustangs vs. W-41

>
>>Mike Evans wrote..
>>
>>>As a former owner of many brands of musclecars (including 7 5.0 Mustangs),
I >>>necessarily must take exception here.  Don't get me wrong--I love Quad
4's, >>>especially, the W-41, and it may have taken a few automatic or
unsuspecting >>>5.0's--but, generally speaking, on the dragstrip, even a
stock 5-speed 5.0 >>>with a decent driver would win, hands down. > >Mike,
time for some abuse.  I spent 1.5 days(!) in a race-prepared Mustang at >Bob
Bondurant's race school.  I was not impressed coming down the back straight.
>This was before driving a 850 lb, 120 hp, 2.0L Formula F*rd.  That impressed
me. > >Sure the 5.0L is 1.0 sec faster in the 60 and less than a car length
slower in >the quarter, but it doesn't breathe well in the high RPMs.

Since we're quoting magazine times (and we all know they may or may not be
legitimate times), I have seen the 5.0 LX quoted as low as 14.18.  I do not
recall ever seeing a stock Quad 4 of any year or model in anything close to
that neighborhood.

It also has 35 more
>HP, gobs more torque, 400+ more LBS, 4 more cylinders, and is at least $5K
more
>expensive.

The last new 5.0 that I purchased was a 1989 5.0 LX with a/c, 5-speed, and
3.08 gears.  I purchased it for $12500.  Your car is two years newer, I
realize, but taking into account the time value of money and two years of
price increases, I do not believe you purchased your car for $7500.

 My W-41 accelerates past 2500 rpm and then takes off like a banshee
>until redline.  Meanwhile, I'm getting 30+ MPG on the highway.  Race car and
>daily driver.


I love Quad 4 cars as drivers-- I could not find a hipo Quad 4 in 1991,
which is why I purchased my 5 speed SHO.  The SHO, in fact, is a similar
approach (DOHC, high rpm, alot like driving a motorcycle!).  My point is
this--neither are dragstrip kings.

>
>A stock W-41 will beat a stock 5.0 Mustang as long as both drivers
>shift at redline and don't spin their wheels excessively on launch.

A 2.73/automatic Mustang--yes (they don't even run with my SHO).
Any 5speed EFI 5.0--sorry, just doesn't happen in the quarter mile.
>
Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

------------------------------

From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:18:15 -0400
Subject: Re: A few Q's

I read an article in 1984 that is in some of my Olds stuff that quoted
Joe Mondello recomending 20 W 50 oil for the best flow.  I believe he
liked Pennzoil, but said any quality brand would work.  I have ran
Castrol in my car due to availability.  Wal-Mart carries it, so I can
always find it wherever I travel.  I have been running Mobil 1 in my
truck, family car, and Jr. Dragster with great results.  I will switch
the Olds over to it when I install the fresh engine.  Too much wear to
switch now.  I really like the synthetic oil, easy cold starts, good oil
pressure in hot extreme conditions, almost instant oil pressure in
sub-zero temps. and the Jr. Dragster engine (5 horse Briggs) looks like
new inside after a full season of 8000 rpm passes on alcohol.  Mobil 1
is also available at Wal-Mart.  In the days of old I purchased oil from
the oil companies and found some brands to be available only regionaly.
Wal-Mart is everywhere (unfortunately) and they carry the same brands
nationwide.  Availability is something to think about if you will be
travelling much.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:48:25 -0400
Subject: Car Talk (WAS Re: Mice in my intake)

Ed Escape opines:

> Tom, Have you ever heard of "On the Road" with Jeff Brooks?  It is also a
> talk radio program about cars and problems.  The host could bury those two
> guys on NPR.  Try all of the smaller AM stations on Saturday mornings.  And
> you don't have to listen to all the cornball humor.

Aww, yer just biased cuz they're on NPR :)

Despite the cornball humor, they are knowledgeable in the extreme about
*practical* auto repair, an all too rare occurance these days in the auto
repair field, unfortunately.

And no, I'm not biased because I work a coupla bloacks away from Hahvahd
Squayah, where Tom's (or is it Ray's?) shop is located...

I'll have to try to hear this Jeff Brooks; dunno if the AM part of the radio
works, haven't listened to it since I swore off listening to BoSox games
last year... if he's as adept as you say, it'd be fun to have a 'face-off'
between him and the Tappet Bros...



Tim ("I'd Let Them Work on My Dodge Dart If I Had One") Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:52:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

> >> > This is a 25 line C program. I should have posted that instead.
> >>
> >> Tres cool.  If'n you don't want to post it, could you e-mail it to me?
> >
> >Tim.  Shouldn't you be wanting it in Ada? :-)
> >
> >Hmmmm?
> >


> Are you guys talking about my GED instructoress, Ada C. Fortran?
>
> Anon. I
>
> P.S. Her 'C' stands for Cobol!


Gee, Wiz... sounds more like someone in leather & studs than a GED instructor
:)



Tim ("Anybody Know a Real-Time Cobol Programmer?") Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:59:01 -0400
Subject: Oil Prefs (was: Re: A few Q's)

I used to use Pennzoil because I could get it cheap at Woolco... then
Wal-Mart bought out Woolco up here and the cheap Pennzoil went away. I
figured if Arnold Palmer (one of my heroes) endorsed it, then it couldn't
be all bad.

Since then I favor Castrol or Valvoline. The Olds seems to like Castrol.
I run 20-50 in the summer, 10-40 this time of year.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:43:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Octane

The Wiz made some good points about the differences between Av-gas and
automobile gas.  The folks at VP Racing Fuel will tell you the same
thing and also tell you that octane does not matter as much as the blend
of the fuel does.  It is all a matter of how well an engine can burn the
fuel.  They sell a leaded and un-leaded racing gas for stock engines,
they sell gas for NHRA Pro Stock racers, and everthing in between.  If
you tried to run their highest grade stuff in your street car, it most
likely woud not run at all.  Your stock engine does not make enough
compression.  I used to run a 50-50 mix of unleaded premium and VP Red
(the lowest grade of leaded) in my Fairlane with great results.  I have
also ran brand X racing fuel with the same mix ratio in my Olds with
great results.  I thought I had Sunoco 260 in the tank again, just like
the old days.  I have a friend that runs 3-4 gallons of racing gas with
a tank full of premium in his GTOs.  He reports smoother running and
driveability.  I would seek out a racing fuel supplier and shy away from
aviation fuel.

VP supplies me with alcohol for our Jr. Dragster, but I would recomend
their fuel even if they didn't.  Vp is headquartered in Texas and has
bulk plants all over the U.S.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

------------------------------

From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 15:12:00 -0400
Subject: Manuals

I need some recommendations on which manual(s) to buy. I have the service
manual and body service manual for my 70 442. I want to buy the assembly
manual or the parts & illustration manuals. Which one should I buy next? Does
anyone have the assembly manual? Does it have the same information as the
service manuals or does it have more detail information.  What about the parts
& illustration manuals, is there one for the 70 442, if so are the part
numbers still used in the GM parts system?

Thanks for any recommedations.


Bobby

70 442 "Escape back to the ......Past"

------------------------------

From: Harry Mulligan <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 16:32:56 -0400
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: Mustangs vs. W-41]

The Head Doctor is here:

I think this man's judgement is shadowed by F#rd. Maybe his deception
lies in the fact that no one see's any ***completely*** stock 5.0's at the
drag strip! Now sure people always claim their cars are stock at the track
and they might look stock...but that doesn't mean they are!!

>A 2.73/automatic Mustang--yes (they don't even run with my SHO).
>Any 5speed EFI 5.0--sorry, just doesn't happen in the quarter mile.

ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS IS

IGNORANCE IS BLISS!


The Head Doctor

------------------------------

From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 16:53:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Talk about Octane

mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
>
> Stephen,
> Which airport sells you the avgas? Is it the airport itself, or an
individual > business located at that airport. I'd like to experiment with
some low octane > avgas. > > Art Fuller > Kennedale, Texas >
mefco@sprynet.com


It's a municipal airport in Mesquite (Hudson Airport). Just walk up with
a gas can and tell them how much I want and they sell it to me, no
problems.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

------------------------------

From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:17:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Mustangs vs. W-41


>>
>>A stock W-41 will beat a stock 5.0 Mustang as long as both drivers
>>shift at redline and don't spin their wheels excessively on launch.
>
>A 2.73/automatic Mustang--yes (they don't even run with my SHO).
>Any 5speed EFI 5.0--sorry, just doesn't happen in the quarter mile.
>

If you are talking about the aforementioned '89's (and I'm pretty sure the
87-93's are similar), you couldn't order 2:73/auto 5.0 LX, the standard ratio
for an auto was 3:08, which is also the optional ratio for the 5-sp.  The
optional ratio on the auto 5.0 LX was 3:27, while the standard ratio on GT's
was 2:73.  The 2:73 ratio GT's are unfortunately slow and shouldn't be
compared.  You should compare the faster, lighter and better ratio'd 5.0 LX's.
 Actually, if you are going to compare a limited production W-41, read small
production figures compared to the much more mass produced 5.0 stangs, you
should compare it to the limited production Cobra R's, or Saleen's or Steeda's
 or ... well you get the idea. As for the gas mileage thing, I don't think
that's the reason people would consider purchasing a 5.0 stang, at least I
didn't consider it when I bought my used 5.0 LX.  And I still don't care
about gas mileage, at least to an extent, I'd be concerned with 5 MPG or
somethin' outrageous like that. As for Olds content (other than the W-41 I
mentioned) my 1969 W-31 Cutlass has a 3:91 posi, buckets, console, turbo 350,
light blue exterior (I believe a Toronado only color that was special ordered
on this Cutlass), blue interior, SSI's and rallye pak.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback - 3:27 rear, every option including the auto
tranny and impossible to keep clean sand biege interior

------------------------------

From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:23:03 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Larger wheels,Larger tires

>Would it be possible to put this up on a web page? I would prefer to put
>the URL
>in the FAQ instead.
>
>David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
>            FAQ 3.0 available soon!!!
>Olds FAQ 2.0 at: http://www.en.com/users/thall/
>                 ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
>
>------------
>This is a 25 line C program. I should have posted that instead.
>
>For 38 lines of code, you get to pick the size to spit out and all tire
>sizes within X inches of the input size!
>
>I am looking at putting something like P225/70-R14 or P235/70-R14 on my
>'65 98. Anybody put some fat tires on one of these beasts???
>


I cannot put it on my site right now... Politics and all...

If someone could "review" the list of sizes to cull out the senseless ones,
I think it would be better.
I am a UNIX type (note the lack of an E!!!), so filtering the output is
easy and I never thought
about limiting what the program generates till now...

I would publish the table AND the C programs... A quick example of all the
P215/??-R14 sizes:

P215/50-R14     section height: 4.23 (107.5 MM), diameter: 22.46 (570.6 MM)
P215/60-R14     section height: 5.08 (129.0 MM), diameter: 24.16 (613.6 MM)
P215/70-R14     section height: 5.93 (150.5 MM), diameter: 25.85 (656.6 MM)
P215/75-R14     section height: 6.35 (161.2 MM), diameter: 26.70 (678.1 MM)
P215/78-R14     section height: 6.60 (167.7 MM), diameter: 27.20 (691.0 MM)
P215/80-R14     section height: 6.77 (172.0 MM), diameter: 27.54 (699.6 MM)

The program is:

#include <stdio.h>

float sizes[] = { 145, 155, 165, 175, 185, 195, 205, 215, 225, 235, 245, 0 };
float profiles[] = { 50, 60, 70, 75, 78, 80, 0};
float diameters[] = {13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 0};

int main(argc, argv)
int argc;
char *argv[];
{
    int i, j, k;
    float sec_height, radius;

    for(i=0; sizes[i] > 0; i++)
        for (j=0; profiles[j] > 0; j++)
            for (k=0; diameters[k] > 0; k++) {
                printf("P%d/%d-R%d\t",
                (int)sizes[i],(int)profiles[j],(int)diameters[k]);
                sec_height = (sizes[i] * profiles[j])/100;
                radius = (sec_height / 25.4) + (0.5 * diameters[k]);
                printf("section height: %.2f (%.1f MM), diameter: %.2f (%.1f
MM) \n",
                sec_height/25.4,sec_height,radius*2.0,(radius*2.0*25.4));
    }
}


Let's say I have a tire that is a P215/75-R14 (hey, I do!), and I want to
know the sizes that would come within an inch of this (the program takes
1/10 of inch units for allowable deviation). It also keeps the wheel size
constant. This can be changed easily to provide all wheel sizes within an
inch (take out a line of code).

wheelquery P215/75-R14 10

Original size: P215/75-R14      Original Target: 26.70
P195/78-R14     section height: 5.99 (152.1 MM), diameter: 25.98 (659.8 MM)
P195/80-R14     section height: 6.14 (156.0 MM), diameter: 26.28 (667.6 MM)
P205/75-R14     section height: 6.05 (153.8 MM), diameter: 26.11 (663.1 MM)
P205/78-R14     section height: 6.30 (159.9 MM), diameter: 26.59 (675.4 MM)
P205/80-R14     section height: 6.46 (164.0 MM), diameter: 26.91 (683.6 MM)
P215/70-R14     section height: 5.93 (150.5 MM), diameter: 25.85 (656.6 MM)
P215/75-R14     section height: 6.35 (161.2 MM), diameter: 26.70 (678.1 MM)
P215/78-R14     section height: 6.60 (167.7 MM), diameter: 27.20 (691.0 MM)
P215/80-R14     section height: 6.77 (172.0 MM), diameter: 27.54 (699.6 MM)
P225/70-R14     section height: 6.20 (157.5 MM), diameter: 26.40 (670.6 MM)
P225/75-R14     section height: 6.64 (168.8 MM), diameter: 27.29 (693.1 MM)
P235/70-R14     section height: 6.48 (164.5 MM), diameter: 26.95 (684.6 MM)
P245/70-R14     section height: 6.75 (171.5 MM), diameter: 27.50 (698.6 MM)
P255/60-R14     section height: 6.02 (153.0 MM), diameter: 26.05 (661.6 MM)


The program is:

#include <stdio.h>

float sizes[] = { 145, 155, 165, 175, 185, 195, 205, 215, 225, 235, 245, 255,
0 }; float profiles[] = { 50, 60, 70, 75, 78, 80, 0}; float diameters[] = {13,
14, 15, 16, 17, 0};

int main(argc, argv)
int argc;
char *argv[];
{
    int i, j, k;
    float sec_height, radius;
    float Oprofile, Osize, Odiameter, Otarget;
    int diff, max_diff;

    sscanf(argv[1], "P%f/%f-R%f", &Osize,&Oprofile,&Odiameter);
    sscanf(argv[2], "%d", &max_diff);
    printf("Original size:
P%d/%d-R%d\t",(int)Osize,(int)Oprofile,(int)Odiameter);
    Otarget = ((((Osize * Oprofile) / 100) / 25.4) + (0.5 * Odiameter)) * 2.0;
        printf ("Original Target: %.2f\n", Otarget);

    for(i=0; sizes[i] > 0; i++)
        for (j=0; profiles[j] > 0; j++)
            for (k=0; diameters[k] > 0; k++) {
                /* Take out the following line to display ALL wheels */
                if (diameters[k] != Odiameter) continue;
                sec_height = (sizes[i] * profiles[j])/100;
                radius = (sec_height / 25.4) + (0.5 * diameters[k]);
                diff = abs((int)((Otarget - (radius * 2.0)) * 10));
                if (diff < max_diff) {
                    printf("P%d/%d-R%d\t",
                    (int)sizes[i],(int)profiles[j],(int)diameters[k]);
      printf("section height: %.2f (%.1f MM), diameter: %.2f (%.1f MM)\n",\
                        sec_height/25.4,sec_height,radius*2.0,\
                        (radius*2.0*25.4));
                }
    }
}

*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: Joe Fauzio <galusha@postoffice.ptd.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:16:38 -0400
Subject: avgas

All airports sell it but it is easier going to a small airport. You can get
100 or 110 octane. I don't know the price because I only fly gliders
anymore. BTW some airports have unleaded gas. I know at the local airport
you could buy it but it's only 86 octane.

Joe

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From: Oldsnut1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:23:20 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

My opinion for the top to really get it clean use WESTLEYS BLEACH WHITE
whitewall and tire cleaner sounds harsh but it's not .Worked wonders on my
white interior which was dirty and had fingerprints on it.
As for oil if weather is warm all the time(that car is driven in) use 20-50
If not 10-40 works great year round
Happy Oldsmobileing
Oldsnut1
75 H/O W-30

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:42:48 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

The convertible top cleaning routine has been an ongoing project for me.
My Buick has a white top and I've never been able to get it as clean as
I'd like. It has what are either grease of mildew stains in a few spots
(luckily small ones, and not many) that have not come out despite use of:

saddle soap
vinyl top cleaner (Turtle Wax)
Spray Nine
Simple Green
Bon Ami
Comet (though this did a nice job otherwise)
Bleche-White
Son-of-a Gun cleaner (STP)
... and probably others I have forgotten about.

I always use a soft bristle brush when cleaning it. The amazing thing is
that most of these things are equally ineffective. The Comet did a good
job on the unstained areas but did nothing for the stains.

I had a brainstorm the other day... think I will try some hand cleaner on
it and see if it has any effect. One of these days I expect I'll just
replace it...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:46:13 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Larger wheels,Larger tires

I would be glad to post it on the same site as the registry --IF it
doesn't get any bigger than it is now!  I also would be willing to post
the program you used to create this data!  Get back to me with what you
want to do.

Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

On Thu, 6 Feb 1997, Dan Lacey wrote:

> >Would it be possible to put this up on a web page? I would prefer to put
> >the URL
> >in the FAQ instead.
> >
> >David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
> >            FAQ 3.0 available soon!!!
> >Olds FAQ 2.0 at: http://www.en.com/users/thall/
> >                 ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds
> >
> >------------
> >This is a 25 line C program. I should have posted that instead.
> >
> >For 38 lines of code, you get to pick the size to spit out and all tire
> >sizes within X inches of the input size!
> >
> >I am looking at putting something like P225/70-R14 or P235/70-R14 on my
> >'65 98. Anybody put some fat tires on one of these beasts???
> >
>
>
> I cannot put it on my site right now... Politics and all...
>
> If someone could "review" the list of sizes to cull out the senseless ones,
> I think it would be better.
> I am a UNIX type (note the lack of an E!!!), so filtering the output is
> easy and I never thought
> about limiting what the program generates till now...
>
> I would publish the table AND the C programs... A quick example of all the
> P215/??-R14 sizes:
>
> P215/50-R14     section height: 4.23 (107.5 MM), diameter: 22.46 (570.6 MM)
> P215/60-R14     section height: 5.08 (129.0 MM), diameter: 24.16 (613.6 MM)
> P215/70-R14     section height: 5.93 (150.5 MM), diameter: 25.85 (656.6 MM)
> P215/75-R14     section height: 6.35 (161.2 MM), diameter: 26.70 (678.1 MM)
> P215/78-R14     section height: 6.60 (167.7 MM), diameter: 27.20 (691.0 MM)
> P215/80-R14     section height: 6.77 (172.0 MM), diameter: 27.54 (699.6 MM)
>
> The program is:
>
> #include <stdio.h>
>
> float sizes[] = { 145, 155, 165, 175, 185, 195, 205, 215, 225, 235, 245, 0
}; > float profiles[] = { 50, 60, 70, 75, 78, 80, 0}; > float diameters[] =
{13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 0}; > > int main(argc, argv) > int argc; > char *argv[]; >
{ >     int i, j, k; >     float sec_height, radius; > >     for(i=0;
sizes[i] > 0; i++) >         for (j=0; profiles[j] > 0; j++) >             for
(k=0; diameters[k] > 0; k++) { >                 printf("P%d/%d-R%d\t", >
(int)sizes[i],(int)profiles[j],(int)diameters[k]); >
sec_height = (sizes[i] * profiles[j])/100; >                 radius =
(sec_height / 25.4) + (0.5 * diameters[k]); >                 printf("section
height: %.2f (%.1f MM), diameter: %.2f (%.1f MM) > \n", >
sec_height/25.4,sec_height,radius*2.0,(radius*2.0*25.4)); >     } > } > > >
Let's say I have a tire that is a P215/75-R14 (hey, I do!), and I want to >
know the sizes that would come within an inch of this (the program takes >
1/10 of inch units for allowable deviation). It also keeps the wheel size >
constant. This can be changed easily to provide all wheel sizes within an >
inch (take out a line of code). > > wheelquery P215/75-R14 10 > > Original
size: P215/75-R14      Original Target: 26.70 > P195/78-R14     section
height: 5.99 (152.1 MM), diameter: 25.98 (659.8 MM) > P195/80-R14     section
height: 6.14 (156.0 MM), diameter: 26.28 (667.6 MM) > P205/75-R14     section
height: 6.05 (153.8 MM), diameter: 26.11 (663.1 MM) > P205/78-R14     section
height: 6.30 (159.9 MM), diameter: 26.59 (675.4 MM) > P205/80-R14     section
height: 6.46 (164.0 MM), diameter: 26.91 (683.6 MM) > P215/70-R14     section
height: 5.93 (150.5 MM), diameter: 25.85 (656.6 MM) > P215/75-R14     section
height: 6.35 (161.2 MM), diameter: 26.70 (678.1 MM) > P215/78-R14     section
height: 6.60 (167.7 MM), diameter: 27.20 (691.0 MM) > P215/80-R14     section
height: 6.77 (172.0 MM), diameter: 27.54 (699.6 MM) > P225/70-R14     section
height: 6.20 (157.5 MM), diameter: 26.40 (670.6 MM) > P225/75-R14     section
height: 6.64 (168.8 MM), diameter: 27.29 (693.1 MM) > P235/70-R14     section
height: 6.48 (164.5 MM), diameter: 26.95 (684.6 MM) > P245/70-R14     section
height: 6.75 (171.5 MM), diameter: 27.50 (698.6 MM) > P255/60-R14     section
height: 6.02 (153.0 MM), diameter: 26.05 (661.6 MM) > > > The program is: > >
#include <stdio.h> > > float sizes[] = { 145, 155, 165, 175, 185, 195, 205,
215, 225, 235, 245, 255, 0 > }; > float profiles[] = { 50, 60, 70, 75, 78, 80,
0}; > float diameters[] = {13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 0}; > > int main(argc, argv) >
int argc; > char *argv[]; > { >     int i, j, k; >     float sec_height,
radius; >     float Oprofile, Osize, Odiameter, Otarget; >     int diff,
max_diff; > >     sscanf(argv[1], "P%f/%f-R%f", &Osize,&Oprofile,&Odiameter); >
sscanf(argv[2], "%d", &max_diff); >     printf("Original size: >
P%d/%d-R%d\t",(int)Osize,(int)Oprofile,(int)Odiameter); >     Otarget =
((((Osize * Oprofile) / 100) / 25.4) + (0.5 * Odiameter)) * 2.0; >
printf ("Original Target: %.2f\n", Otarget); > >     for(i=0; sizes[i] > 0;
i++) >         for (j=0; profiles[j] > 0; j++) >             for (k=0;
diameters[k] > 0; k++) { >                 /* Take out the following line to
display ALL wheels */ >                 if (diameters[k] != Odiameter)
continue; >                 sec_height = (sizes[i] * profiles[j])/100; >
radius = (sec_height / 25.4) + (0.5 * diameters[k]); >                 diff =
abs((int)((Otarget - (radius * 2.0)) * 10)); >                 if (diff <
max_diff) { >                     printf("P%d/%d-R%d\t", >
(int)sizes[i],(int)profiles[j],(int)diameters[k]); >       printf("section
height: %.2f (%.1f MM), diameter: %.2f (%.1f MM)\n",\ >
sec_height/25.4,sec_height,radius*2.0,\ >
(radius*2.0*25.4)); >                 } >     } > } > >
************************************************************************* > *
THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        * > *
*       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    * > * LEFT BLANK                *
3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             * > *                           *
Santa Ana, CA. 92704                * >
************************************************************************* > >
 > >

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From: Brett Chaveriat <brett@mcs.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 17:56:13 -0400
Subject: Subject: A Few Q's

<Does anyone have any advice on:

>1.)     Cleaning a (should-be) white convertible top.  The top is in   > good
>shape, so I don't want to replace it.

Craig,

	I heard of a very effective method for cleaning a white conv't
top.  It may not work if it is too nasty, but give it a try!  For
other readers, I would avoid application on colored tops due to
possible fading.

	First, purchase some of the "hand cleaner in a tub" stuff like
Goop.  IMPORTANT: make sure it is white, and not colored.  Get the
slimy stuff (consistancy of soft lard).  Trax Auto sells it's house
brand here pretty cheap.
	Now, scrub the top using a brush with the cleaner and water.  Believe
me, the water is critical to success!  I dip the brush into
a bucket of water, scrape out some cleaner with the edge of the brush,
and scrub vigorously.  It will tend to bleach the stains out.  Then
just rinse.  I would be sure to rinse all of the cleaner off the paint
pretty quick, as it would probably be a little hard on it after a while.

	Good luck!
- --
Brett Chaveriat                                    Arlington Hts, IL
mailto:brett@mcs.com

72 Cutlass Supreme Convt. (Radiant Green)

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       Digest delivered was also named Digest #503. Its
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oldsmobile-digest        Thursday, 6 February 1997     Volume 01 : Number 503

Re: Re[2]: Larger wheels,Larger tires
Re: 455 Rocket Lyrics
Sorry,avgas
Re: Olds Parts for sale
Larger Tires
Final Comment Re: Mustangs vs. W-41]
Re: 1991 Olds W-41
Re: 455 Rocket Lyrics
Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires (Ada version)
RE: "Ugly 442s (was 1991 Olds W-41)
Re: Cornball Humor (was Mice in my intake)
Re: 1991 Olds W-41
Re: Heres my story and I'm sticking to it
Re: State Farm Ins a scam?
Re: A Few Q's
Re: My Introduction Story - long
Re: [Fwd: Some questions] Second request
Re: fresh air intake...
Re: 455 Rocket Lyrics
Avgas
Re: Re[2]: Larger wheels,Larger tires
Re: Cornball Humor (was Mice in my intake)
Re: Manuals
69 H/O Mirrors
Re: Avgas

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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:26:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Larger wheels,Larger tires

>I would be glad to post it on the same site as the registry --IF it
>doesn't get any bigger than it is now!  I also would be willing to post
>the program you used to create this data!  Get back to me with what you
>want to do.
>

GO FOR IT!!!

P145/50-R13     section height: 2.85 (72.5 MM), diameter: 18.71 (475.2 MM)
P145/50-R14     section height: 2.85 (72.5 MM), diameter: 19.71 (500.6 MM)
P145/50-R15     section height: 2.85 (72.5 MM), diameter: 20.71 (526.0 MM)
P145/50-R16     section height: 2.85 (72.5 MM), diameter: 21.71 (551.4 MM)
P145/50-R17     section height: 2.85 (72.5 MM), diameter: 22.71 (576.8 MM)
P145/60-R13     section height: 3.43 (87.0 MM), diameter: 19.85 (504.2 MM)
P145/60-R14     section height: 3.43 (87.0 MM), diameter: 20.85 (529.6 MM)
P145/60-R15     section height: 3.43 (87.0 MM), diameter: 21.85 (555.0 MM)
P145/60-R16     section height: 3.43 (87.0 MM), diameter: 22.85 (580.4 MM)
P145/60-R17     section height: 3.43 (87.0 MM), diameter: 23.85 (605.8 MM)
P145/70-R13     section height: 4.00 (101.5 MM), diameter: 20.99 (533.2 MM)
P145/70-R14     section height: 4.00 (101.5 MM), diameter: 21.99 (558.6 MM)
P145/70-R15     section height: 4.00 (101.5 MM), diameter: 22.99 (584.0 MM)
P145/70-R16     section height: 4.00 (101.5 MM), diameter: 23.99 (609.4 MM)
P145/70-R17     section height: 4.00 (101.5 MM), diameter: 24.99 (634.8 MM)
P145/75-R13     section height: 4.28 (108.8 MM), diameter: 21.56 (547.7 MM)
P145/75-R14     section height: 4.28 (108.8 MM), diameter: 22.56 (573.1 MM)
P145/75-R15     section height: 4.28 (108.8 MM), diameter: 23.56 (598.5 MM)
P145/75-R16     section height: 4.28 (108.8 MM), diameter: 24.56 (623.9 MM)
P145/75-R17     section height: 4.28 (108.8 MM), diameter: 25.56 (649.3 MM)
P145/78-R13     section height: 4.45 (113.1 MM), diameter: 21.91 (556.4 MM)
P145/78-R14     section height: 4.45 (113.1 MM), diameter: 22.91 (581.8 MM)
P145/78-R15     section height: 4.45 (113.1 MM), diameter: 23.91 (607.2 MM)
P145/78-R16     section height: 4.45 (113.1 MM), diameter: 24.91 (632.6 MM)
P145/78-R17     section height: 4.45 (113.1 MM), diameter: 25.91 (658.0 MM)
P145/80-R13     section height: 4.57 (116.0 MM), diameter: 22.13 (562.2 MM)
P145/80-R14     section height: 4.57 (116.0 MM), diameter: 23.13 (587.6 MM)
P145/80-R15     section height: 4.57 (116.0 MM), diameter: 24.13 (613.0 MM)
P145/80-R16     section height: 4.57 (116.0 MM), diameter: 25.13 (638.4 MM)
P145/80-R17     section height: 4.57 (116.0 MM), diameter: 26.13 (663.8 MM)
P155/50-R13     section height: 3.05 (77.5 MM), diameter: 19.10 (485.2 MM)
P155/50-R14     section height: 3.05 (77.5 MM), diameter: 20.10 (510.6 MM)
P155/50-R15     section height: 3.05 (77.5 MM), diameter: 21.10 (536.0 MM)
P155/50-R16     section height: 3.05 (77.5 MM), diameter: 22.10 (561.4 MM)
P155/50-R17     section height: 3.05 (77.5 MM), diameter: 23.10 (586.8 MM)
P155/60-R13     section height: 3.66 (93.0 MM), diameter: 20.32 (516.2 MM)
P155/60-R14     section height: 3.66 (93.0 MM), diameter: 21.32 (541.6 MM)
P155/60-R15     section height: 3.66 (93.0 MM), diameter: 22.32 (567.0 MM)
P155/60-R16     section height: 3.66 (93.0 MM), diameter: 23.32 (592.4 MM)
P155/60-R17     section height: 3.66 (93.0 MM), diameter: 24.32 (617.8 MM)
P155/70-R13     section height: 4.27 (108.5 MM), diameter: 21.54 (547.2 MM)
P155/70-R14     section height: 4.27 (108.5 MM), diameter: 22.54 (572.6 MM)
P155/70-R15     section height: 4.27 (108.5 MM), diameter: 23.54 (598.0 MM)
P155/70-R16     section height: 4.27 (108.5 MM), diameter: 24.54 (623.4 MM)
P155/70-R17     section height: 4.27 (108.5 MM), diameter: 25.54 (648.8 MM)
P155/75-R13     section height: 4.58 (116.2 MM), diameter: 22.15 (562.7 MM)
P155/75-R14     section height: 4.58 (116.2 MM), diameter: 23.15 (588.1 MM)
P155/75-R15     section height: 4.58 (116.2 MM), diameter: 24.15 (613.5 MM)
P155/75-R16     section height: 4.58 (116.2 MM), diameter: 25.15 (638.9 MM)
P155/75-R17     section height: 4.58 (116.2 MM), diameter: 26.15 (664.3 MM)
P155/78-R13     section height: 4.76 (120.9 MM), diameter: 22.52 (572.0 MM)
P155/78-R14     section height: 4.76 (120.9 MM), diameter: 23.52 (597.4 MM)
P155/78-R15     section height: 4.76 (120.9 MM), diameter: 24.52 (622.8 MM)
P155/78-R16     section height: 4.76 (120.9 MM), diameter: 25.52 (648.2 MM)
P155/78-R17     section height: 4.76 (120.9 MM), diameter: 26.52 (673.6 MM)
P155/80-R13     section height: 4.88 (124.0 MM), diameter: 22.76 (578.2 MM)
P155/80-R14     section height: 4.88 (124.0 MM), diameter: 23.76 (603.6 MM)
P155/80-R15     section height: 4.88 (124.0 MM), diameter: 24.76 (629.0 MM)
P155/80-R16     section height: 4.88 (124.0 MM), diameter: 25.76 (654.4 MM)
P155/80-R17     section height: 4.88 (124.0 MM), diameter: 26.76 (679.8 MM)
P165/50-R13     section height: 3.25 (82.5 MM), diameter: 19.50 (495.2 MM)
P165/50-R14     section height: 3.25 (82.5 MM), diameter: 20.50 (520.6 MM)
P165/50-R15     section height: 3.25 (82.5 MM), diameter: 21.50 (546.0 MM)
P165/50-R16     section height: 3.25 (82.5 MM), diameter: 22.50 (571.4 MM)
P165/50-R17     section height: 3.25 (82.5 MM), diameter: 23.50 (596.8 MM)
P165/60-R13     section height: 3.90 (99.0 MM), diameter: 20.80 (528.2 MM)
P165/60-R14     section height: 3.90 (99.0 MM), diameter: 21.80 (553.6 MM)
P165/60-R15     section height: 3.90 (99.0 MM), diameter: 22.80 (579.0 MM)
P165/60-R16     section height: 3.90 (99.0 MM), diameter: 23.80 (604.4 MM)
P165/60-R17     section height: 3.90 (99.0 MM), diameter: 24.80 (629.8 MM)
P165/70-R13     section height: 4.55 (115.5 MM), diameter: 22.09 (561.2 MM)
P165/70-R14     section height: 4.55 (115.5 MM), diameter: 23.09 (586.6 MM)
P165/70-R15     section height: 4.55 (115.5 MM), diameter: 24.09 (612.0 MM)
P165/70-R16     section height: 4.55 (115.5 MM), diameter: 25.09 (637.4 MM)
P165/70-R17     section height: 4.55 (115.5 MM), diameter: 26.09 (662.8 MM)
P165/75-R13     section height: 4.87 (123.8 MM), diameter: 22.74 (577.7 MM)
P165/75-R14     section height: 4.87 (123.8 MM), diameter: 23.74 (603.1 MM)
P165/75-R15     section height: 4.87 (123.8 MM), diameter: 24.74 (628.5 MM)
P165/75-R16     section height: 4.87 (123.8 MM), diameter: 25.74 (653.9 MM)
P165/75-R17     section height: 4.87 (123.8 MM), diameter: 26.74 (679.3 MM)
P165/78-R13     section height: 5.07 (128.7 MM), diameter: 23.13 (587.6 MM)
P165/78-R14     section height: 5.07 (128.7 MM), diameter: 24.13 (613.0 MM)
P165/78-R15     section height: 5.07 (128.7 MM), diameter: 25.13 (638.4 MM)
P165/78-R16     section height: 5.07 (128.7 MM), diameter: 26.13 (663.8 MM)
P165/78-R17     section height: 5.07 (128.7 MM), diameter: 27.13 (689.2 MM)
P165/80-R13     section height: 5.20 (132.0 MM), diameter: 23.39 (594.2 MM)
P165/80-R14     section height: 5.20 (132.0 MM), diameter: 24.39 (619.6 MM)
P165/80-R15     section height: 5.20 (132.0 MM), diameter: 25.39 (645.0 MM)
P165/80-R16     section height: 5.20 (132.0 MM), diameter: 26.39 (670.4 MM)
P165/80-R17     section height: 5.20 (132.0 MM), diameter: 27.39 (695.8 MM)
P175/50-R13     section height: 3.44 (87.5 MM), diameter: 19.89 (505.2 MM)
P175/50-R14     section height: 3.44 (87.5 MM), diameter: 20.89 (530.6 MM)
P175/50-R15     section height: 3.44 (87.5 MM), diameter: 21.89 (556.0 MM)
P175/50-R16     section height: 3.44 (87.5 MM), diameter: 22.89 (581.4 MM)
P175/50-R17     section height: 3.44 (87.5 MM), diameter: 23.89 (606.8 MM)
P175/60-R13     section height: 4.13 (105.0 MM), diameter: 21.27 (540.2 MM)
P175/60-R14     section height: 4.13 (105.0 MM), diameter: 22.27 (565.6 MM)
P175/60-R15     section height: 4.13 (105.0 MM), diameter: 23.27 (591.0 MM)
P175/60-R16     section height: 4.13 (105.0 MM), diameter: 24.27 (616.4 MM)
P175/60-R17     section height: 4.13 (105.0 MM), diameter: 25.27 (641.8 MM)
P175/70-R13     section height: 4.82 (122.5 MM), diameter: 22.65 (575.2 MM)
P175/70-R14     section height: 4.82 (122.5 MM), diameter: 23.65 (600.6 MM)
P175/70-R15     section height: 4.82 (122.5 MM), diameter: 24.65 (626.0 MM)
P175/70-R16     section height: 4.82 (122.5 MM), diameter: 25.65 (651.4 MM)
P175/70-R17     section height: 4.82 (122.5 MM), diameter: 26.65 (676.8 MM)
P175/75-R13     section height: 5.17 (131.2 MM), diameter: 23.33 (592.7 MM)
P175/75-R14     section height: 5.17 (131.2 MM), diameter: 24.33 (618.1 MM)
P175/75-R15     section height: 5.17 (131.2 MM), diameter: 25.33 (643.5 MM)
P175/75-R16     section height: 5.17 (131.2 MM), diameter: 26.33 (668.9 MM)
P175/75-R17     section height: 5.17 (131.2 MM), diameter: 27.33 (694.3 MM)
P175/78-R13     section height: 5.37 (136.5 MM), diameter: 23.75 (603.2 MM)
P175/78-R14     section height: 5.37 (136.5 MM), diameter: 24.75 (628.6 MM)
P175/78-R15     section height: 5.37 (136.5 MM), diameter: 25.75 (654.0 MM)
P175/78-R16     section height: 5.37 (136.5 MM), diameter: 26.75 (679.4 MM)
P175/78-R17     section height: 5.37 (136.5 MM), diameter: 27.75 (704.8 MM)
P175/80-R13     section height: 5.51 (140.0 MM), diameter: 24.02 (610.2 MM)
P175/80-R14     section height: 5.51 (140.0 MM), diameter: 25.02 (635.6 MM)
P175/80-R15     section height: 5.51 (140.0 MM), diameter: 26.02 (661.0 MM)
P175/80-R16     section height: 5.51 (140.0 MM), diameter: 27.02 (686.4 MM)
P175/80-R17     section height: 5.51 (140.0 MM), diameter: 28.02 (711.8 MM)
P185/50-R13     section height: 3.64 (92.5 MM), diameter: 20.28 (515.2 MM)
P185/50-R14     section height: 3.64 (92.5 MM), diameter: 21.28 (540.6 MM)
P185/50-R15     section height: 3.64 (92.5 MM), diameter: 22.28 (566.0 MM)
P185/50-R16     section height: 3.64 (92.5 MM), diameter: 23.28 (591.4 MM)
P185/50-R17     section height: 3.64 (92.5 MM), diameter: 24.28 (616.8 MM)
P185/60-R13     section height: 4.37 (111.0 MM), diameter: 21.74 (552.2 MM)
P185/60-R14     section height: 4.37 (111.0 MM), diameter: 22.74 (577.6 MM)
P185/60-R15     section height: 4.37 (111.0 MM), diameter: 23.74 (603.0 MM)
P185/60-R16     section height: 4.37 (111.0 MM), diameter: 24.74 (628.4 MM)
P185/60-R17     section height: 4.37 (111.0 MM), diameter: 25.74 (653.8 MM)
P185/70-R13     section height: 5.10 (129.5 MM), diameter: 23.20 (589.2 MM)
P185/70-R14     section height: 5.10 (129.5 MM), diameter: 24.20 (614.6 MM)
P185/70-R15     section height: 5.10 (129.5 MM), diameter: 25.20 (640.0 MM)
P185/70-R16     section height: 5.10 (129.5 MM), diameter: 26.20 (665.4 MM)
P185/70-R17     section height: 5.10 (129.5 MM), diameter: 27.20 (690.8 MM)
P185/75-R13     section height: 5.46 (138.8 MM), diameter: 23.93 (607.7 MM)
P185/75-R14     section height: 5.46 (138.8 MM), diameter: 24.93 (633.1 MM)
P185/75-R15     section height: 5.46 (138.8 MM), diameter: 25.93 (658.5 MM)
P185/75-R16     section height: 5.46 (138.8 MM), diameter: 26.93 (683.9 MM)
P185/75-R17     section height: 5.46 (138.8 MM), diameter: 27.93 (709.3 MM)
P185/78-R13     section height: 5.68 (144.3 MM), diameter: 24.36 (618.8 MM)
P185/78-R14     section height: 5.68 (144.3 MM), diameter: 25.36 (644.2 MM)
P185/78-R15     section height: 5.68 (144.3 MM), diameter: 26.36 (669.6 MM)
P185/78-R16     section height: 5.68 (144.3 MM), diameter: 27.36 (695.0 MM)
P185/78-R17     section height: 5.68 (144.3 MM), diameter: 28.36 (720.4 MM)
P185/80-R13     section height: 5.83 (148.0 MM), diameter: 24.65 (626.2 MM)
P185/80-R14     section height: 5.83 (148.0 MM), diameter: 25.65 (651.6 MM)
P185/80-R15     section height: 5.83 (148.0 MM), diameter: 26.65 (677.0 MM)
P185/80-R16     section height: 5.83 (148.0 MM), diameter: 27.65 (702.4 MM)
P185/80-R17     section height: 5.83 (148.0 MM), diameter: 28.65 (727.8 MM)
P195/50-R13     section height: 3.84 (97.5 MM), diameter: 20.68 (525.2 MM)
P195/50-R14     section height: 3.84 (97.5 MM), diameter: 21.68 (550.6 MM)
P195/50-R15     section height: 3.84 (97.5 MM), diameter: 22.68 (576.0 MM)
P195/50-R16     section height: 3.84 (97.5 MM), diameter: 23.68 (601.4 MM)
P195/50-R17     section height: 3.84 (97.5 MM), diameter: 24.68 (626.8 MM)
P195/60-R13     section height: 4.61 (117.0 MM), diameter: 22.21 (564.2 MM)
P195/60-R14     section height: 4.61 (117.0 MM), diameter: 23.21 (589.6 MM)
P195/60-R15     section height: 4.61 (117.0 MM), diameter: 24.21 (615.0 MM)
P195/60-R16     section height: 4.61 (117.0 MM), diameter: 25.21 (640.4 MM)
P195/60-R17     section height: 4.61 (117.0 MM), diameter: 26.21 (665.8 MM)
P195/70-R13     section height: 5.37 (136.5 MM), diameter: 23.75 (603.2 MM)
P195/70-R14     section height: 5.37 (136.5 MM), diameter: 24.75 (628.6 MM)
P195/70-R15     section height: 5.37 (136.5 MM), diameter: 25.75 (654.0 MM)
P195/70-R16     section height: 5.37 (136.5 MM), diameter: 26.75 (679.4 MM)
P195/70-R17     section height: 5.37 (136.5 MM), diameter: 27.75 (704.8 MM)
P195/75-R13     section height: 5.76 (146.2 MM), diameter: 24.52 (622.7 MM)
P195/75-R14     section height: 5.76 (146.2 MM), diameter: 25.52 (648.1 MM)
P195/75-R15     section height: 5.76 (146.2 MM), diameter: 26.52 (673.5 MM)
P195/75-R16     section height: 5.76 (146.2 MM), diameter: 27.52 (698.9 MM)
P195/75-R17     section height: 5.76 (146.2 MM), diameter: 28.52 (724.3 MM)
P195/78-R13     section height: 5.99 (152.1 MM), diameter: 24.98 (634.4 MM)
P195/78-R14     section height: 5.99 (152.1 MM), diameter: 25.98 (659.8 MM)
P195/78-R15     section height: 5.99 (152.1 MM), diameter: 26.98 (685.2 MM)
P195/78-R16     section height: 5.99 (152.1 MM), diameter: 27.98 (710.6 MM)
P195/78-R17     section height: 5.99 (152.1 MM), diameter: 28.98 (736.0 MM)
P195/80-R13     section height: 6.14 (156.0 MM), diameter: 25.28 (642.2 MM)
P195/80-R14     section height: 6.14 (156.0 MM), diameter: 26.28 (667.6 MM)
P195/80-R15     section height: 6.14 (156.0 MM), diameter: 27.28 (693.0 MM)
P195/80-R16     section height: 6.14 (156.0 MM), diameter: 28.28 (718.4 MM)
P195/80-R17     section height: 6.14 (156.0 MM), diameter: 29.28 (743.8 MM)
P205/50-R13     section height: 4.04 (102.5 MM), diameter: 21.07 (535.2 MM)
P205/50-R14     section height: 4.04 (102.5 MM), diameter: 22.07 (560.6 MM)
P205/50-R15     section height: 4.04 (102.5 MM), diameter: 23.07 (586.0 MM)
P205/50-R16     section height: 4.04 (102.5 MM), diameter: 24.07 (611.4 MM)
P205/50-R17     section height: 4.04 (102.5 MM), diameter: 25.07 (636.8 MM)
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P205/60-R14     section height: 4.84 (123.0 MM), diameter: 23.69 (601.6 MM)
P205/60-R15     section height: 4.84 (123.0 MM), diameter: 24.69 (627.0 MM)
P205/60-R16     section height: 4.84 (123.0 MM), diameter: 25.69 (652.4 MM)
P205/60-R17     section height: 4.84 (123.0 MM), diameter: 26.69 (677.8 MM)
P205/70-R13     section height: 5.65 (143.5 MM), diameter: 24.30 (617.2 MM)
P205/70-R14     section height: 5.65 (143.5 MM), diameter: 25.30 (642.6 MM)
P205/70-R15     section height: 5.65 (143.5 MM), diameter: 26.30 (668.0 MM)
P205/70-R16     section height: 5.65 (143.5 MM), diameter: 27.30 (693.4 MM)
P205/70-R17     section height: 5.65 (143.5 MM), diameter: 28.30 (718.8 MM)
P205/75-R13     section height: 6.05 (153.8 MM), diameter: 25.11 (637.7 MM)
P205/75-R14     section height: 6.05 (153.8 MM), diameter: 26.11 (663.1 MM)
P205/75-R15     section height: 6.05 (153.8 MM), diameter: 27.11 (688.5 MM)
P205/75-R16     section height: 6.05 (153.8 MM), diameter: 28.11 (713.9 MM)
P205/75-R17     section height: 6.05 (153.8 MM), diameter: 29.11 (739.3 MM)
P205/78-R13     section height: 6.30 (159.9 MM), diameter: 25.59 (650.0 MM)
P205/78-R14     section height: 6.30 (159.9 MM), diameter: 26.59 (675.4 MM)
P205/78-R15     section height: 6.30 (159.9 MM), diameter: 27.59 (700.8 MM)
P205/78-R16     section height: 6.30 (159.9 MM), diameter: 28.59 (726.2 MM)
P205/78-R17     section height: 6.30 (159.9 MM), diameter: 29.59 (751.6 MM)
P205/80-R13     section height: 6.46 (164.0 MM), diameter: 25.91 (658.2 MM)
P205/80-R14     section height: 6.46 (164.0 MM), diameter: 26.91 (683.6 MM)
P205/80-R15     section height: 6.46 (164.0 MM), diameter: 27.91 (709.0 MM)
P205/80-R16     section height: 6.46 (164.0 MM), diameter: 28.91 (734.4 MM)
P205/80-R17     section height: 6.46 (164.0 MM), diameter: 29.91 (759.8 MM)
P215/50-R13     section height: 4.23 (107.5 MM), diameter: 21.46 (545.2 MM)
P215/50-R14     section height: 4.23 (107.5 MM), diameter: 22.46 (570.6 MM)
P215/50-R15     section height: 4.23 (107.5 MM), diameter: 23.46 (596.0 MM)
P215/50-R16     section height: 4.23 (107.5 MM), diameter: 24.46 (621.4 MM)
P215/50-R17     section height: 4.23 (107.5 MM), diameter: 25.46 (646.8 MM)
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P215/60-R14     section height: 5.08 (129.0 MM), diameter: 24.16 (613.6 MM)
P215/60-R15     section height: 5.08 (129.0 MM), diameter: 25.16 (639.0 MM)
P215/60-R16     section height: 5.08 (129.0 MM), diameter: 26.16 (664.4 MM)
P215/60-R17     section height: 5.08 (129.0 MM), diameter: 27.16 (689.8 MM)
P215/70-R13     section height: 5.93 (150.5 MM), diameter: 24.85 (631.2 MM)
P215/70-R14     section height: 5.93 (150.5 MM), diameter: 25.85 (656.6 MM)
P215/70-R15     section height: 5.93 (150.5 MM), diameter: 26.85 (682.0 MM)
P215/70-R16     section height: 5.93 (150.5 MM), diameter: 27.85 (707.4 MM)
P215/70-R17     section height: 5.93 (150.5 MM), diameter: 28.85 (732.8 MM)
P215/75-R13     section height: 6.35 (161.2 MM), diameter: 25.70 (652.7 MM)
P215/75-R14     section height: 6.35 (161.2 MM), diameter: 26.70 (678.1 MM)
P215/75-R15     section height: 6.35 (161.2 MM), diameter: 27.70 (703.5 MM)
P215/75-R16     section height: 6.35 (161.2 MM), diameter: 28.70 (728.9 MM)
P215/75-R17     section height: 6.35 (161.2 MM), diameter: 29.70 (754.3 MM)
P215/78-R13     section height: 6.60 (167.7 MM), diameter: 26.20 (665.6 MM)
P215/78-R14     section height: 6.60 (167.7 MM), diameter: 27.20 (691.0 MM)
P215/78-R15     section height: 6.60 (167.7 MM), diameter: 28.20 (716.4 MM)
P215/78-R16     section height: 6.60 (167.7 MM), diameter: 29.20 (741.8 MM)
P215/78-R17     section height: 6.60 (167.7 MM), diameter: 30.20 (767.2 MM)
P215/80-R13     section height: 6.77 (172.0 MM), diameter: 26.54 (674.2 MM)
P215/80-R14     section height: 6.77 (172.0 MM), diameter: 27.54 (699.6 MM)
P215/80-R15     section height: 6.77 (172.0 MM), diameter: 28.54 (725.0 MM)
P215/80-R16     section height: 6.77 (172.0 MM), diameter: 29.54 (750.4 MM)
P215/80-R17     section height: 6.77 (172.0 MM), diameter: 30.54 (775.8 MM)
P225/50-R13     section height: 4.43 (112.5 MM), diameter: 21.86 (555.2 MM)
P225/50-R14     section height: 4.43 (112.5 MM), diameter: 22.86 (580.6 MM)
P225/50-R15     section height: 4.43 (112.5 MM), diameter: 23.86 (606.0 MM)
P225/50-R16     section height: 4.43 (112.5 MM), diameter: 24.86 (631.4 MM)
P225/50-R17     section height: 4.43 (112.5 MM), diameter: 25.86 (656.8 MM)
P225/60-R13     section height: 5.31 (135.0 MM), diameter: 23.63 (600.2 MM)
P225/60-R14     section height: 5.31 (135.0 MM), diameter: 24.63 (625.6 MM)
P225/60-R15     section height: 5.31 (135.0 MM), diameter: 25.63 (651.0 MM)
P225/60-R16     section height: 5.31 (135.0 MM), diameter: 26.63 (676.4 MM)
P225/60-R17     section height: 5.31 (135.0 MM), diameter: 27.63 (701.8 MM)
P225/70-R13     section height: 6.20 (157.5 MM), diameter: 25.40 (645.2 MM)
P225/70-R14     section height: 6.20 (157.5 MM), diameter: 26.40 (670.6 MM)
P225/70-R15     section height: 6.20 (157.5 MM), diameter: 27.40 (696.0 MM)
P225/70-R16     section height: 6.20 (157.5 MM), diameter: 28.40 (721.4 MM)
P225/70-R17     section height: 6.20 (157.5 MM), diameter: 29.40 (746.8 MM)
P225/75-R13     section height: 6.64 (168.8 MM), diameter: 26.29 (667.7 MM)
P225/75-R14     section height: 6.64 (168.8 MM), diameter: 27.29 (693.1 MM)
P225/75-R15     section height: 6.64 (168.8 MM), diameter: 28.29 (718.5 MM)
P225/75-R16     section height: 6.64 (168.8 MM), diameter: 29.29 (743.9 MM)
P225/75-R17     section height: 6.64 (168.8 MM), diameter: 30.29 (769.3 MM)
P225/78-R13     section height: 6.91 (175.5 MM), diameter: 26.82 (681.2 MM)
P225/78-R14     section height: 6.91 (175.5 MM), diameter: 27.82 (706.6 MM)
P225/78-R15     section height: 6.91 (175.5 MM), diameter: 28.82 (732.0 MM)
P225/78-R16     section height: 6.91 (175.5 MM), diameter: 29.82 (757.4 MM)
P225/78-R17     section height: 6.91 (175.5 MM), diameter: 30.82 (782.8 MM)
P225/80-R13     section height: 7.09 (180.0 MM), diameter: 27.17 (690.2 MM)
P225/80-R14     section height: 7.09 (180.0 MM), diameter: 28.17 (715.6 MM)
P225/80-R15     section height: 7.09 (180.0 MM), diameter: 29.17 (741.0 MM)
P225/80-R16     section height: 7.09 (180.0 MM), diameter: 30.17 (766.4 MM)
P225/80-R17     section height: 7.09 (180.0 MM), diameter: 31.17 (791.8 MM)
P235/50-R13     section height: 4.63 (117.5 MM), diameter: 22.25 (565.2 MM)
P235/50-R14     section height: 4.63 (117.5 MM), diameter: 23.25 (590.6 MM)
P235/50-R15     section height: 4.63 (117.5 MM), diameter: 24.25 (616.0 MM)
P235/50-R16     section height: 4.63 (117.5 MM), diameter: 25.25 (641.4 MM)
P235/50-R17     section height: 4.63 (117.5 MM), diameter: 26.25 (666.8 MM)
P235/60-R13     section height: 5.55 (141.0 MM), diameter: 24.10 (612.2 MM)
P235/60-R14     section height: 5.55 (141.0 MM), diameter: 25.10 (637.6 MM)
P235/60-R15     section height: 5.55 (141.0 MM), diameter: 26.10 (663.0 MM)
P235/60-R16     section height: 5.55 (141.0 MM), diameter: 27.10 (688.4 MM)
P235/60-R17     section height: 5.55 (141.0 MM), diameter: 28.10 (713.8 MM)
P235/70-R13     section height: 6.48 (164.5 MM), diameter: 25.95 (659.2 MM)
P235/70-R14     section height: 6.48 (164.5 MM), diameter: 26.95 (684.6 MM)
P235/70-R15     section height: 6.48 (164.5 MM), diameter: 27.95 (710.0 MM)
P235/70-R16     section height: 6.48 (164.5 MM), diameter: 28.95 (735.4 MM)
P235/70-R17     section height: 6.48 (164.5 MM), diameter: 29.95 (760.8 MM)
P235/75-R13     section height: 6.94 (176.2 MM), diameter: 26.88 (682.7 MM)
P235/75-R14     section height: 6.94 (176.2 MM), diameter: 27.88 (708.1 MM)
P235/75-R15     section height: 6.94 (176.2 MM), diameter: 28.88 (733.5 MM)
P235/75-R16     section height: 6.94 (176.2 MM), diameter: 29.88 (758.9 MM)
P235/75-R17     section height: 6.94 (176.2 MM), diameter: 30.88 (784.3 MM)
P235/78-R13     section height: 7.22 (183.3 MM), diameter: 27.43 (696.8 MM)
P235/78-R14     section height: 7.22 (183.3 MM), diameter: 28.43 (722.2 MM)
P235/78-R15     section height: 7.22 (183.3 MM), diameter: 29.43 (747.6 MM)
P235/78-R16     section height: 7.22 (183.3 MM), diameter: 30.43 (773.0 MM)
P235/78-R17     section height: 7.22 (183.3 MM), diameter: 31.43 (798.4 MM)
P235/80-R13     section height: 7.40 (188.0 MM), diameter: 27.80 (706.2 MM)
P235/80-R14     section height: 7.40 (188.0 MM), diameter: 28.80 (731.6 MM)
P235/80-R15     section height: 7.40 (188.0 MM), diameter: 29.80 (757.0 MM)
P235/80-R16     section height: 7.40 (188.0 MM), diameter: 30.80 (782.4 MM)
P235/80-R17     section height: 7.40 (188.0 MM), diameter: 31.80 (807.8 MM)
P245/50-R13     section height: 4.82 (122.5 MM), diameter: 22.65 (575.2 MM)
P245/50-R14     section height: 4.82 (122.5 MM), diameter: 23.65 (600.6 MM)
P245/50-R15     section height: 4.82 (122.5 MM), diameter: 24.65 (626.0 MM)
P245/50-R16     section height: 4.82 (122.5 MM), diameter: 25.65 (651.4 MM)
P245/50-R17     section height: 4.82 (122.5 MM), diameter: 26.65 (676.8 MM)
P245/60-R13     section height: 5.79 (147.0 MM), diameter: 24.57 (624.2 MM)
P245/60-R14     section height: 5.79 (147.0 MM), diameter: 25.57 (649.6 MM)
P245/60-R15     section height: 5.79 (147.0 MM), diameter: 26.57 (675.0 MM)
P245/60-R16     section height: 5.79 (147.0 MM), diameter: 27.57 (700.4 MM)
P245/60-R17     section height: 5.79 (147.0 MM), diameter: 28.57 (725.8 MM)
P245/70-R13     section height: 6.75 (171.5 MM), diameter: 26.50 (673.2 MM)
P245/70-R14     section height: 6.75 (171.5 MM), diameter: 27.50 (698.6 MM)
P245/70-R15     section height: 6.75 (171.5 MM), diameter: 28.50 (724.0 MM)
P245/70-R16     section height: 6.75 (171.5 MM), diameter: 29.50 (749.4 MM)
P245/70-R17     section height: 6.75 (171.5 MM), diameter: 30.50 (774.8 MM)
P245/75-R13     section height: 7.23 (183.8 MM), diameter: 27.47 (697.7 MM)
P245/75-R14     section height: 7.23 (183.8 MM), diameter: 28.47 (723.1 MM)
P245/75-R15     section height: 7.23 (183.8 MM), diameter: 29.47 (748.5 MM)
P245/75-R16     section height: 7.23 (183.8 MM), diameter: 30.47 (773.9 MM)
P245/75-R17     section height: 7.23 (183.8 MM), diameter: 31.47 (799.3 MM)
P245/78-R13     section height: 7.52 (191.1 MM), diameter: 28.05 (712.4 MM)
P245/78-R14     section height: 7.52 (191.1 MM), diameter: 29.05 (737.8 MM)
P245/78-R15     section height: 7.52 (191.1 MM), diameter: 30.05 (763.2 MM)
P245/78-R16     section height: 7.52 (191.1 MM), diameter: 31.05 (788.6 MM)
P245/78-R17     section height: 7.52 (191.1 MM), diameter: 32.05 (814.0 MM)
P245/80-R13     section height: 7.72 (196.0 MM), diameter: 28.43 (722.2 MM)
P245/80-R14     section height: 7.72 (196.0 MM), diameter: 29.43 (747.6 MM)
P245/80-R15     section height: 7.72 (196.0 MM), diameter: 30.43 (773.0 MM)
P245/80-R16     section height: 7.72 (196.0 MM), diameter: 31.43 (798.4 MM)
P245/80-R17     section height: 7.72 (196.0 MM), diameter: 32.43 (823.8 MM)


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From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:20:06 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 Rocket Lyrics

Jeff Antonucci wrote:

>buehner wrote:
>>
>> I picked up the new Kathy Mattea disc today.  It does have the lyrics in
it. >> >>Awesome lyrics!!! I'm gonna go out and get it. >> >>Jeff. 
>>	'91 Quad
442 W-41 >>	'70 442 Conv. W/455

I bought this disc on Wednesday, also.  I wonder if Kathy Mattea's fan club
is going to get a sudden increase in new members? :-)

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html

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From: Joe Fauzio <galusha@postoffice.ptd.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:19:16 -0400
Subject: Sorry,avgas

Sorry-In my last post I said you can buy unleaded gas at some airports. What
I wanted to say is that you could buy leaded gas but it's only 86 octane.

Joe
Joe
71 442 Convertible

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From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 21:31:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Parts for sale

Macon Metals wrote:
>
> Last week, I posted that I was going to be receiving 1968-69 remote and
> standard mirrors.  They finally arrived yesterday.  Would those of you
> who expressed interest in these please send another email to me?
> Computer burped this week and I lost all I had saved to it in regards to
> emails. I also did get a decent useable 1967 remote mirror for full size
> cars also.
>
> Happy Oldsmobiling
> mike fisher
> mmetal@chipsnet.com
> 217-692-2019

Mike,
I am interested in a standard mirror for the passenger side of my 69
Toronado. Can you help. Thanks
Reg

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:33:26 -0400
Subject: Larger Tires

Well, I guess that I'll put in my experience with larger tires since
this discussion is carrying on and migrating somewhat in that
direction.

When one of the original P205/70R14 Uniroyal Tiger Paws on our '79
Hurst/Olds suffered sidewall damage, I replaced them with P235/60R14
Goodyear Polyglass GTs.  These are on the stock aluminum 14 x 6 H/O
wheels and do not rub.  They are also within 1/4 inch of being the
same diameter as the stock tires, so the speedometer is still
reasonably accurate.

          ---
 ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ---    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
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From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:11:05 -0400
Subject: Final Comment Re: Mustangs vs. W-41]

>The Head Doctor is here:
>
>I think this man's judgement is shadowed by F#rd. Maybe his deception
>lies in the fact that no one see's any ***completely*** stock 5.0's at the
>drag strip! Now sure people always claim their cars are stock at the track
>and they might look stock...but that doesn't mean they are!!
>
>>A 2.73/automatic Mustang--yes (they don't even run with my SHO).
>>Any 5speed EFI 5.0--sorry, just doesn't happen in the quarter mile.
>
>ALL I HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THIS IS
>
>IGNORANCE IS BLISS!
>
>
>The Head Doctor
>
>
Harry--

In a previous lifetime, I purchased *new* 7 5.0 Mustangs, so I think I can
safely claim that I do, indeed, know what a stock Mustang looks like.  I
currently am running a modified '76 Cutlass S (455 tripower, TH400),
proving, I guess, that my judgement is not as clouded as you might think.

As for the "ignorance" comment...you roll out your ride, I'll roll out
mine--and we'll compare I.Q.'s at the finish line!
Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

------------------------------

From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 14:55:00 -0400
Subject: Re: 1991 Olds W-41

 -At 10:08 AM 2/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>As a former owner of many brands of musclecars (including 7 5.0 Mustangs),
I
[snip]
>The Motor Trend mag I have when they tested the W-41, I believe stated a
1/4
>time of 14.7 at something in the low 90s mph(The 1991 Vette they tested ran
>14.3 or 14.2).  At the time, the 5-speed 5.0s were running in the mid 15's
so

Hmmm, I recall lots of road-tests where well-driven 5-speed 5.0's were
running between 14.0 and 14.5 in the quarter. In fact, I clearly recall a
quickie road-test of a stripped 1985 LX notchback that ran 14.3 in stock
form. So there definitely were quicker ones. The automatic, though, was
definitely slower than the W-41 in pure stock form.

14.7 from a W-41; hmmm, put is right in the league with the '71-'72 442's,
and is just about where a 4-bbl '70 SX would be...

SCREEEEEEECH !!!!!!!!!!!
HOLD ON !!!!!!  That 14.7 time was from a prototype. I read another road
test of an actual production W-41 and it was a LOT slower, something like
low 16s. I'll see if I can dig up the article.

John Pajak              DR OLDS
Lexington Park, MD
Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL

65 Delta 88
66 Toro Deluxe
69 Cutlass S
70 Cutlass S  (3)
70 Cutlass S W31
70 442 W30 Convert
71 Cutlass Supreme 2D HT
72 Delta 88 Convert
72 442 W30 Convert
+ a buncha others

------------------------------

From: Bryceman <bryceman@442.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:42:40 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 Rocket Lyrics

>I picked up the new Kathy Mattea disc today.  It does have the lyrics in it.
>It is printed in a scrapbook type scheme, and on the page with this song,
>there's a wrinkled Olds Rocket logo taped on.  Too cool......  A Must Own CD!

Check out the Kathy Mattea web site too   www.mattea.com

           Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
            Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:40:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires (Ada version)

This is a multi-part message in MIME format.

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Here are the Ada versions.

Enjoy!

Chris Sparks

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Content-Disposition: inline; filename="tires.adb"

with Ada.Text_IO;       use Ada.Text_IO;
with Ada.Float_Text_IO; use Ada.Float_Text_IO;

procedure Tires is

  type Float_Ary is array (Natural range <>) of Float;

  Sizes     : Float_Ary := (145.0, 155.0, 165.0, 175.0, 185.0, 195.0, 205.0,
215.0, 225.0, 235.0, 245.0);
  Profiles  : Float_Ary := ( 50.0,  60.0,  70.0,  75.0,  78.0,  80.0);
  Diameters : Float_Ary := ( 13.0,  14.0,  15.0,  16.0,  17.0);

  Sec_Height : Float;
  Radius     : Float;

  function Image (Item : in     Integer)
                         return String is

    Item_Str : constant String := Integer'Image (Item);

  begin

    return Item_Str (2 .. Item_Str'Last);

  end Image;

  function Image (Item : in     Float;
                  Aft  : in     Integer)
                         return String is

    Item_Str : String (1 .. 10) := (others => ' ');

  begin
    Put (To   => Item_Str,
         Item => Item,
         Aft  => Aft,
         Exp  => 0);

    for I in reverse Item_Str'Range loop

      if Item_Str (I) = ' ' then
        return Item_Str (I+1 .. Item_Str'Last);
      end if;
    end loop;

    return Item_Str;

  end Image;

begin
  for I in Sizes'Range loop

    for J in Profiles'Range loop

      for K in Diameters'Range loop
        Put ("P"  & Image (Integer (Sizes     (I))) &
             "/"  & Image (Integer (Profiles  (J))) &
             "-R" & Image (Integer (Diameters (K))) & Ascii.HT);

        Sec_Height := (Sizes(I) * Profiles(J)) / 100.0;
        Radius     := (Sec_Height / 25.4) + (0.5 * Diameters(K));

        Put_Line ("section height: " & Image (Sec_Height / 25.4, 2) &
                  " (" & Image (Sec_Height, 1) &
                  " MM), diameter: " & Image (radius * 2.0, 2) &
                  " (" & Image (radius * 2.0 * 25.4, 1) & " MM)");
      end loop;
    end loop;
  end loop;

end Tires;

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with Ada.Text_IO;       use Ada.Text_IO;
with Ada.Float_Text_IO; use Ada.Float_Text_IO;
with Ada.Command_Line;  use Ada.Command_Line;

procedure Wheel_Query is

  type Float_Ary is array (Natural range <>) of Float;

  Sizes     : Float_Ary := (145.0, 155.0, 165.0, 175.0, 185.0, 195.0, 205.0,
215.0, 225.0, 235.0, 245.0, 255.0);
  Profiles  : Float_Ary := ( 50.0,  60.0,  70.0,  75.0,  78.0,  80.0);
  Diameters : Float_Ary := ( 13.0,  14.0,  15.0,  16.0,  17.0);

  Sec_Height : Float;
  Radius     : Float;
  Oprofile   : Float;
  Osize      : Float;
  Odiameter  : Float;
  Otarget    : Float;
  diff       : Integer;
  max_diff   : Integer;

  function Image (Item : in     Integer)
                         return String is

    Item_Str : constant String := Integer'Image (Item);

  begin

    return Item_Str (2 .. Item_Str'Last);

  end Image;

  function Image (Item : in     Float;
                  Aft  : in     Integer)
                         return String is

    Item_Str : String (1 .. 10) := (others => ' ');

  begin
    Put (To   => Item_Str,
         Item => Item,
         Aft  => Aft,
         Exp  => 0);

    for I in reverse Item_Str'Range loop

      if Item_Str (I) = ' ' then
        return Item_Str (I+1 .. Item_Str'Last);
      end if;
    end loop;

    return Item_Str;

  end Image;

  -- sscanf(argv[1], "P%f/%f-R%f", &Osize,&Oprofile,&Odiameter);
  procedure Get_Arg_1 (Osize     : out Float;
                       Oprofile  : out Float;
                       Odiameter : out Float) is

    Arg_1 : constant String := Argument (1);
    Col_P : Integer;
    Col_S : Integer;
    Col_R : Integer;

  begin

    for Col in Arg_1'Range loop

      if Arg_1 (Col) = 'P' then
        Col_P := Col;

      elsif Arg_1 (Col) = '/' then
        Col_S := Col;

      elsif Arg_1 (Col .. Col+1) = "-R" then
        Col_R := Col;

        exit;
      end if;
    end loop;

    Osize     := Float (Integer'Value (Arg_1 (Col_P+1 .. Col_S-1)));
    Oprofile  := Float (Integer'Value (Arg_1 (Col_S+1 .. Col_R-1)));
    Odiameter := Float (Integer'Value (Arg_1 (Col_R+2 .. Arg_1'Last)));

  end Get_Arg_1;

  -- sscanf(argv[2], "%d", &max_diff);
  procedure Get_Arg_2 (Max_diff : out Integer) is

    Arg_2 : constant String := Argument (2);

  begin

    Max_Diff := Integer'Value (Arg_2);

  end Get_Arg_2;

begin
  Get_Arg_1 (Osize, Oprofile, Odiameter);
  Get_Arg_2 (Max_diff);

  Put ("Original size: P" & Image (Integer (Osize))     &
                      "/" & Image (Integer (Oprofile))  &
                     "-R" & Image (Integer (ODiameter)) & Ascii.HT);

  Otarget := ((((Osize * Oprofile) / 100.0) / 25.4) + (0.5 * Odiameter)) *
2.0;

  Put_Line ("Original Target: " & Image (Otarget, 2));

  for I in Sizes'Range loop

    for J in Profiles'Range loop

      for K in Diameters'Range loop

        -- Take out the following line to display ALL wheels
        if Diameters(K) = Odiameter then
          Sec_Height := (Sizes(I) * Profiles(J)) / 100.0;
          Radius     := (Sec_Height / 25.4) + (0.5 * Diameters(K));
          Diff       := abs (Integer ((Otarget - (radius * 2.0)) * 10.0));

          if Diff < Max_Diff then
            Put_Line ("P"  & Image (Integer (Sizes     (I))) &
                      "/"  & Image (Integer (Profiles  (J))) &
                      "-R" & Image (Integer (Diameters (K))) & Ascii.HT &
                      "section height: " & Image (Sec_Height / 25.4, 2) &
                      " (" & Image (Sec_Height, 1) &
                      " MM), diameter: " & Image (radius * 2.0, 2) &
                      " (" & Image (radius * 2.0 * 25.4, 1) & " MM)");
          end if;
        end if;
      end loop;
    end loop;
  end loop;

end Wheel_Query;

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:45:46 -0400
Subject: RE: "Ugly 442s (was 1991 Olds W-41)

Mike Coccagna said:

> And you guys think the Quad442s were a disgrace to the 442
> nameplate.  Anyone care to remember the mid-70's to 80's 442s, like
> the giant hatchback looking ones? (Yuck!)

*****
Sure, those were the 1978 and 1979 442.  I kind of liked those cars.
Particularly the 2-doors with the 442 stripe package.  They certainly
didn't have much going for them in the way of performance, but
several interesting cars were built using those bodies.  Does anyone
else remember the one with the supercharged 403 mounted mid-engine,
where the back seat should have been?  Buick had some wild IMSA style
wide body panels and huge racing spoilers that could be grafted onto
that body style too.  Substitute a supercharged 455 for that
mid-engine 403 and use the Buick wide fenders to cover some huge
tires and I think you could really build a wild street racer starting
with one of those "ugly" 442s.

          ---
 ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ---    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
 --------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 18:54:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Cornball Humor (was Mice in my intake)

> In a message dated 97-02-06 10:06:26 EST, you write:

>> By the way, I recommend catching this radio show each week as it's
>> highly entertaining and occasionally also educational.  I also
>> recommend visiting their WEB site, where you'll find alot of
>> entertaining information.
>>
>>           ---
>>  ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
>> |        | | |   OCA #3943

> Tom, Have you ever heard of "On the Road" with Jeff Brooks?  It is
> also a talk radio program about cars and problems.  The host could
> bury those two guys on NPR.  Try all of the smaller AM stations on
> Saturday mornings.  And you don't have to listen to all the cornball
> humor.   Ed    Escape442@aol.com

*****
Ed,

Cornball humor?  Why do you think that I like to listen to Tom and
Ray?  It certainly isn't for the seriousness of their advice!  I
suppose that you don't support the "Save The Skeets Foundation"
either.

          ---
 ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ---    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
 --------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Harry Mulligan <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 1997 18:53:29 -0400
Subject: Re: 1991 Olds W-41

At 02:55 PM 2/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
> -At 10:08 AM 2/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>>As a former owner of many brands of musclecars (including 7 5.0 Mustangs),
>I
>[snip]
>>The Motor Trend mag I have when they tested the W-41, I believe stated a
>1/4
>>time of 14.7 at something in the low 90s mph(The 1991 Vette they tested ran
>>14.3 or 14.2).  At the time, the 5-speed 5.0s were running in the mid 15's
>so
>
>Hmmm, I recall lots of road-tests where well-driven 5-speed 5.0's were
>running between 14.0 and 14.5 in the quarter. In fact, I clearly recall a
>quickie road-test of a stripped 1985 LX notchback that ran 14.3 in stock
>form. So there definitely were quicker ones. The automatic, though, was
>definitely slower than the W-41 in pure stock form.
>
>14.7 from a W-41; hmmm, put is right in the league with the '71-'72 442's,
>and is just about where a 4-bbl '70 SX would be...
>
>SCREEEEEEECH !!!!!!!!!!!
>HOLD ON !!!!!!  That 14.7 time was from a prototype. I read another road
>test of an actual production W-41 and it was a LOT slower, something like
>low 16s. I'll see if I can dig up the article.

Gee my 88 calais Quad 4 LO can run that with my grandma driving! your
figures are wrong.

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:46:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Heres my story and I'm sticking to it

jones wrote:
>
>         I joined the list about a week ago and am enjoying it a lot.

	<snip>

>         I guess everyone wonders what I am doing reading the Olds list. Back
in > Nov. we found a 66 Delta 88 convertable that we could afford. My wife has 
>
wanted a ragtop for years so I bought it for her. Personally I never was >
much of a Olds fan. We have since  fell in love with it so I guess I am at >
least partialy converted. I have to admit it  rides and drives nice and it >
sure is pretty too. It needs a lot of tinkering to get it the way I want it >
but it is a fairly nice car to start with. Someone has put a 350 with the # >
8 heads in it and I found some 7a heads in the shop and that 2 bbl has to > go
.....yeah I guess I am hooked on it just like the rest of ya'll . > > Walter
Jones    Bowie Texas

Walter,

Welcome to the list.  That is a nice car.  I don't have a big Olds but
wouldn't turn down the right Starfire (1961).  Good luck w/the machine
shop & "retirement".

Chevy & Ford are working on a cure for the Olds virus, but the only one
that seems to be having any luck is the Olds Division itself.  As long
as mine don't completely rust away, I will drive them & wait on my
father's Olds to go down the assembly line once more.

Billl Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:26:17 -0400
Subject: Re: State Farm Ins a scam?

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> My California State Farm stated value hasn't required me to prove the value
> I put on my Delta ($5000).  I've never had claims anywhere except for theft
> ones back with my Cutlass.  But I used to work for the attorney's for the
> big ins. co. & learned the 'language' necessary to speak so they understand
> your intentions.  It only took one letter to the ins. co. (State Farm) for
> the homeowner's whose dog caused my dad to fall & break his hip to have
> them process the claim & do it in a timely, un-hassle fashion for my aging
> parents.
>
> Lets hope I never have to find out about collecting on a totaled vehicle!!
>
> Lisa Madsen
>

Lisa,

Thanks for the story.  I'll remember you when/if I ever need to wrire
one of those letters.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:45:38 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

Craig J. Smith wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any advice on:
>
> 1.)     Cleaning a (should-be) white convertible top.  The top is in    good
> shape, so I don't want to replace it.
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance for any help
>
> Craig Smith
> 68 442

I have a daily driver Lebaron convertible w/a white roof.  I use X-14 &
a soft brush for the mildew.  Dish washing detergent for the other
cleaning works well w/a soft brush & a toothbrush (I can't remember what
else these are used for).  Use plenty of water & don't do this out in
the hot sun.

Folding the top wet will encourage much mildew.  Get it dry first.  Use
any harsh detergents & abrasive ones like Ajax very sparingly.  Vinyl
spray paint will renew a dingey top or curtain.  I have put a new top on
my car w/out replacing the rear window & was able to match the new top
perfectly this way.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 12:09:40 -0400
Subject: Re: My Introduction Story - long

jeff antonucci wrote:
>
> My name is Jeff Antonucci, I joined the list a few weeks ago, and have
> been hooked on Oldsmobiles since 1987.

	<snip>

, but Oldsmobile really doesn't exist anymore anyway, it's just GM
> Engineering by platforms now.  They just don't get it.  But that's a
> topic for another memo.
>
> I believe muscle cars were mean't to be driven, HARD!
>
> So that's my story.
>
> Jeff.
>         '91 Quad 442 W-41
>         '70 442 Conv.

Jeff,

Neat car cars story.  I have already written about that Olds virus.  As
long as there are real Oldsmobiles, you are in trouble.  You & your wife
might as well learn to live with it.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:40:27 -0400
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Some questions] Second request

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> > > 2) I don't recall that my '68 442 had pin stripes along the rocker
> > >    panels and around the wheel wells.  I do recall however that it
> > >    did have pinstripes which ran along the side, an inch or so below
> > >    the chrome trim that ran along the top of the fender and below
> > >    the side windows.  Those were painted on, as I believe all factory
> > >    pinstripes were in those days.
>
> Greg Beaulieu

Greg,

A buddy in college had a 1966 Barracuda Formula S w/stripes along the
upper fender line.  The winter December of that year saw the last of
them as we pealed them off w/a quarter spray washer one Friday night.
He was not happy to see that happen to his new car.

I believe that all GM cars were painted though.  I'm not sure of Ford.
They may have used a roller.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:04:12 -0400
Subject: Re: fresh air intake...

>>  Running a fresh air hose to your air cleaner will actually make a feelable
>>diference in the way your car runs, if you have never actually done that
>>before.
>>  I like to take the stock air cleaner housing snorkel and cut it off until
>>there is only about 1 or 2 inches of the snorkel left -- it allows for
better >>air flow -- Year One sells inlet scoops that can be bolted to bottom
of your > >[SNIP] > >How about no snorkel? Like those open air filters?

I didn't see any response to this one, so I'll jump in.  In a word to answer
here, "NO."  That completely defeats the purpose of fresh air intake.  The
idea is to draw in fresh ~cool~ air from outside the car ('cuz you just
don't find that kind under the hood, it's hot & stuffy down there, ya
know...)  The open element air cleaner will provide more performance than a
standard single snorkel will, just from airflow benefits.  It is still
drawing in underhood air, however, and it's usually cooler in front of the
car.  If you can get an air duct large enough to accomodate maximum airflow,
it would be optimum.  To function properly, there should be no entry of
underhood air into the ductwork, though, and an open element air cleaner
housing will entirely defeat the whole concept.

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

------------------------------

From: "Andrew A. Senko" <senko@reston.ans.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:09:12 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 Rocket Lyrics

>
> >I picked up the new Kathy Mattea disc today.  It does have the lyrics in
it. > >It is printed in a scrapbook type scheme, and on the page with this
song, > >there's a wrinkled Olds Rocket logo taped on.  Too cool......  A Must
Own CD! > > Check out the Kathy Mattea web site too   www.mattea.com


I checked out the Kathy Mattea website.  Cool!  I especially like the top
of the page where they have "455 ROCKET" and right under it is a picture of
a 1966(?) Thunderbird!!  It may not be an Olds, but at least it's old.  You
gotta give them point for trying.
- --
Drew Senko
senko@reston.ans.net
http://members.aol.com/drewinva

------------------------------

From: Jeffrey King <jking@exame2.dseg.ti.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:14:15 -0400
Subject: Avgas

> mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
> >
> > Stephen,
> > Which airport sells you the avgas? Is it the airport itself, or an
individual > > business located at that airport. I'd like to experiment with
some low octane > > avgas. > > > > Art Fuller > > Kennedale, Texas > >
mefco@sprynet.com > > > It's a municipal airport in Mesquite (Hudson
Airport). Just walk up with > a gas can and tell them how much I want and they
sell it to me, no > problems. > > Stephen Hoover > Dallas, Texas > '70
Cutlass "S"

Up here in Denton (Tx), there are a couple of credit card operated,
unmanned pumps.  Just slide your card and put it in whatever you
want.  Best times to do this seems to be in the dead of night ;)

Jeff King (61 Super 88)
- --
=====================================================================
Jeffrey W. King (N5PNU)     Internet: -----> jking@exame2.dseg.ti.com
Route 1, Box 290            Internet/packet:   n5pnu@dfwgate.ampr.org
Krum, TX. 76249             Packet:    N5PNU @ N5AUX.#DFW.TX.USA.NOAM
214-956-6031 (work)         214-597-1021 (pager)
817-482-3446 (home)         If none of the above works:    HEY YOU!!!
=====================================================================
              http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/1919
=====================================================================

------------------------------

From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:30:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Larger wheels,Larger tires

Before anybody says anything...

Sorry for posting that AGAIN! I *meant* it to go to Clayton ONLY...


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* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 20:30:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Cornball Humor (was Mice in my intake)

[SNIP]

>Cornball humor?  Why do you think that I like to listen to Tom and
>Ray?  It certainly isn't for the seriousness of their advice!  I
>suppose that you don't support the "Save The Skeets Foundation"
>either.
>
>          ---
> ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
>|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
>|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
>|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
>|         ---    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
> --------------------------------------------------

Easy Tom... His dipstick is already limbering up for that jump into the oil
pan... You don't want to put the nail in THAT coffin!!!

;-)

*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 13:15:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Manuals

Etzel Bobby wrote:
>
> I need some recommendations on which manual(s) to buy. I have the service
> manual and body service manual for my 70 442. I want to buy the assembly
> manual or the parts & illustration manuals. Which one should I buy next?
Does > anyone have the assembly manual? Does it have the same information as
the > service manuals or does it have more detail information.  What about the
parts > & illustration manuals, is there one for the 70 442, if so are the
part > numbers still used in the GM parts system? > > Thanks for any
recommedations. > > Bobby >

Bobby,

The assembly manual is the same thing that Olds used to assemble the
car.  It illustrates each nut & bolt as well as various possibilities in
accessories.  Most I have seen are not the best copies, but are at least
readable w/some study.

The parts books have illustrations of a range of years, but are often
general examples rather than each specific one as in the assembly
manual.  Parts books do have parts numbers, but they may be extinct or
superceeded.  Illustrations are usually very good.

I would go for the assembly manual first.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Robert K. Whitaker" <whitaker.rob@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:22:47 -0400
Subject: 69 H/O Mirrors

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When I first got on the list about 6 months ago there was a posting from =
someone in the armed forces stationed in England.  The discussion was =
about 69 H/O mirrors being imported from England and my literature =
supports that.

I've seen these mirrors one other place besides the 69 H/O, that is =
until today!  If you've ever seen the movie 48 Hours, Eddie Murphy =
drives a foreign car (60s era Porsche I think) that has these style =
mirrors on it.  And today a car pulls up next to me at a red light and =
the first thing I see is this all chromed mirror that looks exactly like =
those on my H/O.  The car looked similar to a Jaguar but fatter -- I was =
pretty sure it wasn't a Jag.  The car carried no emblems except on the =
trunk lid and I swore it said Ford.  When I got to work another car nut =
buddy told me it was an English Ford.  I've never heard of it.

Those mirrors looked exquisite.  I could imagine if the 69 H/O mirrors =
had been chromed all over.  What a coincidence -- I took my mirror =
globes to get them rechromed on Tuesday.

Robert Whitaker
69 H/O 455
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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 19:10:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Avgas

>Up here in Denton (Tx), there are a couple of credit card operated,
>unmanned pumps.  Just slide your card and put it in whatever you
>want.  Best times to do this seems to be in the dead of night ;)

Well, maybe. Around here that's the best time of night for the more
disreputable motorists to stop by and see if their stolen credit cards
are still working.  ;-)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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