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oldsmobile-digest        Tuesday, 18 February 1997     Volume 01 : Number 522

Re: #Oldsmobile on DALnet
Re: 66 W30
Re: Parts Cars 68 post doors
Fwd: Parts Cars 68 post doors
Re: 1970 W-30 Authentication
40lbs enough?
Re: Build Sheet - Found!
Re: Carlisle (was Rating Systems)
Re: Re[2]: Carlisle Wrong Road!
Re: '68 Delta
Re: 40lbs enough?
Re: Rebuilding lower control arms
Re: `65 - 442
Thanks for the pat on the back...
Re: 40lbs enough?
Detroit Autorama followup
Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
Cutlass Parts
84 Hurst 307 For Sale...
Re: Seats
MT Valve Covers....
Re: Exhaust System
Re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold & Question
Re: MT Valve Covers....
Fwd: disc brake conversion
Fwd: disc brake conversion
Re: 40lbs enough?
unsubscribe
Re: `65 - 442
RE: Detroit Autorama followup
RE: disc brake conversion
Re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold & Question
Car Models
Full Size Anti Spin
Re: Car Models
Re: your 394
Re: 1966 442 W-30s
Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold & Question)
Hood for '75 H/O for sale
Re: Full Size Anti Spin
Re: The Meaning of 442
Re: Parts Cars
Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold &Question)
Re: disc brake conversion
Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold &Question)
Re: Seats
Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold &Question)
Parts WEB URL
1973 Olds 98
Olds TV ad
Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold &Question)
Re: Build Sheet - Found!
Re: Car Models -Reply (long)
Anybody got 2G3AH35A3B2504589?
Re: 74 Toro
Re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold & Question
Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold &Question)
Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold &Question)
transmission question
Re: '88 rear ends
Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (try this on for size)
Re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold & Question
Re[2]: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Man
Re: Car Models
65 Olds ad
Re: Re[2]: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Man
Re: Re[2]: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Man

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From: "Tracey Cleeton" <tcleeton@mcmsys.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 22:52:40 -0400
Subject: Re: #Oldsmobile on DALnet

Dave, can you explain to me what the DALnet is, and how I can get on it?  I
have a '70 W-30 Convert. and would be interested chatting with fellow Olds.
owners.  Thanks in advance.

T Cleeton
tcleeton@mcmsys.com

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> From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: #Oldsmobile on DALnet
> Date: Monday, February 17, 1997 5:56 PM
>

> No good...I don't get home until 8:30 EST on Tuesday.  Monday or
Wednesday
> would be OK.
>
> --
> Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
> Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
> dpauliso@gate.net
>

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:08:01 -0400
Subject: Re: 66 W30

In a message dated 97-02-16 09:46:14 EST, you write:

>  The man who owns these cars is Jim Stoleman. He owns Stoleman
>  Oldsmobile in Alexandria Virginia. Great guy. I don't know why he would
want
>  to sell them, but hes got a 70 W-30 4spd conv. and two or three more
W-30's
>  not including hid small 66-67 collection. These cars are gorgeous.
>

Nope, these belong to a Roger Brink of Palm Harbor, Florida.  His ad mentions
that one of the '66s was a first place in class at the '96 Nats.  The only
'66 442 closed model listed as a first in the JWO was the one belonging to
Roger.  I looked in the Nat's directory and it says the Roger is from
Florida.  The Hemmings ad lists a Florida phone number.  He also has two '67
W-30s advertised for around 20k each.

Paul

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From: Oldsnut1@aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:14:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Parts Cars 68 post doors

I would like to find out if they are in perfect shape including the bottoms
must be in good cond. with no rust developing in the corners or underneath at
at the seams.
If they are this good I will take them no matter the cost of shipping.
I live in N.Y.C.
Thank You
Anthony B.
Oldsnut1

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From: Oldsnut1@aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:30:58 -0400
Subject: Fwd: Parts Cars 68 post doors

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Forwarded message:
From:	Oldsnut1@aol.com
Sender:	oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca
Reply-to:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
To:	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Date: 97-02-17 22:19:36 EST

I would like to find out if they are in perfect shape including the bottoms
must be in good cond. with no rust developing in the corners or underneath at
at the seams.
If they are this good I will take them no matter the cost of shipping.
I live in N.Y.C.
Thank You
Anthony B.
Oldsnut1

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From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@Direct.CA>
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 22:44:36 -0400
Subject: Re: 1970 W-30 Authentication

At 05:55 PM 2/17/97 -0400, W MACHINES wrote:
>In a message dated 97-02-16 12:26:53 EST, you write:
>
><< know in '71 you would find an "x" in the VIN.  >>
>That only applies to 1972 W cars.  The vin for 68 to 71 should start with
>344 for the 442 option.  The only other way is to find the build sheet unless
>it is a Canadian car.

Not just a Canadian car (as in built at the Ontario plant) but any US built
car that was sold in Canada also.  For example, my '70 4-4-2 was built at
the Freemont plant in California and originally sold in Vancouver, B.C.
Canada.  I was able to get a copy of the build sheet from Vintage Vehicle
Services here in Canada.


Nick DiGiovanni
ndigiova@Direct.CA
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
1970 4-4-2

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From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:48:03 -0400
Subject: 40lbs enough?

I just had my 69 Olds 455 rebuilt.  Had the crank ground 10 under,
maintained stock bearing and rod clearances, used a
stock melling oil pump. I am using 30W castol oil with 1pt GM break-in oil.

When the engine gets to temp  the oil pressure is about 40lbs at 2000
RPM.  This seems low to me. The engine only has 50 min run in time.  I
doubt it will get better.  I plan to do mostly street
driving with an occasional blast but NO serious racing.

What do ya think?  I don't want to ruin a good engine I've spent enough
as it is.  I'll replace the pump with model?/brand? if you think it will
really improve the wear/benefit ratio.

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:51:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Build Sheet - Found!

In a message dated 97-02-17 08:56:45 EST, you write:

> Since the sheet glued to the floor appears to be for a car several thousand
>  units later, the only way for the line assembler to stick it in my car is;
>
>  a> the assembler is pulling the sheets off the bottom of the stack
>  b> my car made a second pass thru the plant.
>
>  Neither sounds very plausible.
>

Isn't it common practice for the body numbers and VIN numbers to be
drastically off?  Isn't it possible that this convertible with the wacko body
number was sitting around in stock at the plant and is the one that was
pulled for production immediately before or after your car.  And the sheet
got in the wrong car?  That's happened more than once from what I've heard.
 You didn't mention if there was a VIN on the build sheet.  The body number
could be way off, but the VINs could be in sequence.

I have two great-aunts who both owned '54 Oldses.  They must have ordered
them at the same time.  They were both Super 88 Deluxe Holiday Coupes.  Both
cars were identically equipped.  They both took delivery on June 5, 1954.
 The body numbers are sequential, 1680 and 1681.  The VIN for 1680 is
548W9572 and the VIN for 1681 is 548W9576.  The factory snuck (sneaked?)
three other cars in between those two 88s.  Who knows what the body numbers
were for those.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:51:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Carlisle (was Rating Systems)

In a message dated 97-02-17 12:34:44 EST, you write:

> Directions to Criswell's:
>       Get on I-95S, go to Maryland. Get off at the Rt 272 exit, take
>       that north toward Lancaster, PA.

How far South of Lancaster is this place?  I work in Lancaster.  Haven't
heard of these folks.  I'll have to do some investigating.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 23:52:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Carlisle Wrong Road!

In a message dated 97-02-17 19:02:12 EST, you write:

> Sorry for the confusion.  These are directions from Boston MA,

Looking at the road atlas.  Doesn't look like you can get 272 directly from
95.  You can get 272 from 222.  Looks like 222 comes off of 95.  How does
that sound?  I've gotta find this place.

Paul

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:31:47 -0400
Subject: Re: '68 Delta

Advertised in our local photo auto publication this week was a very very
lovely '68 Delta 88.  The black and white photo showed shiny paint and the
ad read "in good condition".  It was straight from all it showed and the
mileage was reasonable plus it was either the orig. or second owner.  All
for $895.  This is the second very nice Delta I've spotted for that price.
Which, of course, I don't have.  Missing these nice cars at a cheap price
breaks my heart.

Southern California car.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 1997 15:45:48 -0400
Subject: Re: 40lbs enough?

>I just had my 69 Olds 455 rebuilt.  Had the crank ground 10 under,
>maintained stock bearing and rod clearances, used a
>stock melling oil pump. I am using 30W castol oil with 1pt GM break-in oil.
>
>When the engine gets to temp  the oil pressure is about 40lbs at 2000
>RPM.  This seems low to me. The engine only has 50 min run in time.  I
>doubt it will get better.  I plan to do mostly street
>driving with an occasional blast but NO serious racing.

Well stock normal oil pressure for the engine is 30-45lbs.  So it seems as
though you're in spec.  I understand that after a certain point any extra
oil pressure in an engine is not neccesary but I'm not sure what that is.
In the case of an oldsmobile a high volume oil pump can sometimes hurt the
engine since the oil cannot drain back fast enough from the top of the motor
through the stock passages.  The engine can actually loose pressure at
constant high rpm because most of the oil is in the rocker covers instead of
the sump.  At any rate a heavy duty pump is probably ovekill in a stock
street engine that isn't going to spin any higher than 5000 on a regular
basis.  There's probably no harm in putting the high volume oil pump if it
makes you feel better though.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser

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From: jmskms@ix.netcom.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:36:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Rebuilding lower control arms

The best way, the quickest (probably) way, and the safest way would be to
take it down to the local greasy elbow and have them press them in.  It'll
only cost you around 10 bucks, and it  will save some headache.  One thing
my dad used to do, though, is he would put the ball joint in the freezer
for a few hours, and heat the A-Arm with a propane torch till it got nice
and warm.  Then the Ball joint went  in better.

However, this is not the best way.  You should probably take it to a press.

Jonathan

e-mail:  jmskms@ix.netcom.com
www:     www.netcom.com/~jmskms


Hey, this IS my father's Oldsmobile...Ya got a problem with that sis??

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From: Frank Gonzalez <PLPAUDIO@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:43:17 -0400
Subject: Re: `65 - 442

Etzel Bobby wrote:
>
> Hi Chuck
>
> Glade to here you are going to save a 442. First you need to shoot the owner
> for putting a 327 in a Olds 442. Maybe just in the leg if he can help get
the > Olds engine back. Here is the info you wanted: > > 400 CI > 345 HP > 4
Barrel Carb > 3 or 4 speed Manual or Auto Trans (Special duty Jetaway) >
Bronze engine color > Letter A cast on front of left cylinder head and rear of
right one > Chrome air cleaner with 442 emblems >

I also am glad you are saving the 442.Too many cars have been parted out
for lesser reasons by moneyhungry people lessening the chance of new
converts to the Olds cause to be able to find a fixer upper or driver.
As the supply of these cars dwindle we have to try and save even the not
so perfect for our future generations.If not only the rich and shameless
will be able to afford them.
Have fun and enjoy your Olds
Frank Gonzalez
70 442
71 442 W30 covt
72 Cutlass S
90 LSC

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From: Tom Millard <OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:48:38 -0400
Subject: Thanks for the pat on the back...

> Was just dropping a note to thank Tom Millard for his great instructions on

A few of you guys (Chris Ruper, Matt Mayer... ) dropped me a line
thanking me for the instructions I sent you on how to install factory
gauges in a 78-88 Cutlass.  I'm really glad I could help and appreciate
the feedback.

If anybody is interested in installing a set of factory gauges to
replace the stock sweep speedo, drop me a line with your address.  I
have a complete set of instructions that I can mail you.  BTW, I'll
throw in the stamp...

Tom Millard OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net (FORMERLY OLDSPWR@aol.com)
79 Cutlass - Street/Strip/Show
86 442 - Summer Driver
79 Cutlass - Winter Bomb
"Faithful to the Rocket Division"

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From: "Steven Bettis" <bettiss@empnet.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 01:11:25 -0400
Subject: Re: 40lbs enough?

Jeff, I have ran that pump and my results were 40lbs @ 2000 RPM and
increasing to 60lbs @ 6000 RPM. The increase was not linear but memory
fails me on the transition RPM point. Someone once gave me a general ( and
I stress general ) rule of thumb. " 10lbs of pressure for every 1000 RPM "
If you want to get technical on bearing surface area and physics you can do
better, but some times keeping it simple is best.
In case you havn't heard, stock Oldsmobiles are notorious for pumping all
of the oil to the top end of the motor, but again you should only be
concerned if you plan on racing. You will probably be just fine.  Have fun
!!

Steven Bettis
67 442
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> From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
> To: OLDS NET <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: 40lbs enough?
> Date: Monday, February 17, 1997 7:48 PM
>
>
>
> When the engine gets to temp  the oil pressure is about 40lbs at 2000
> RPM.  This seems low to me. The engine only has 50 min run in time.  I
> doubt it will get better.  I plan to do mostly street
> driving with an occasional blast but NO serious racing.
>
> What do ya think?  I don't want to ruin a good engine I've spent enough
> as it is.  I'll replace the pump with model?/brand? if you think it will
> really improve the wear/benefit ratio.
>
>

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 01:25:15 -0400
Subject: Detroit Autorama followup

Well folks, I did pretty good with the Detroti Autorama. When I arrived Thurs
morning, they put me in a class called  Late Consv Hartop 70-79.
There ended up with 63 cars in that class. Come Sunday they broke the classes
up to Late Consv Hdtop 70, Late Consv Hdtop 71-72 and then Late Consv Htop
73-79
each class had 21 cars in it.  A painted all orange 70 442 took 2nd place in
the 70 class.  In my class 71-72 I also took second place.  Five awards were
given in my class and the 70 class.  1st,3rd,4th and 5th place went to 72
Chevelles in my class.
in the 70 class 1st was a Chevelle and 3rd and went to a Mopar and 4th and
5th to Chevelles again.  I also got the chance to meet Spencergrant@ from
Warren MI and also Terry Docolds@Magmacom.com  Terry was a very impressive
man.  He definetly is an Oldsmobile guru and pretty cool talker. We talked
each others ears off.  It took him about 12 hours from Ottawa Canada to get
to Detroit.  I tilt my hat to the man and I can say I made a good friend that
night with him and his wife.

W MACHINES
72 442 W-30

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From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:07:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

Hey Jim,
    I'm also looking for a disc brake changeover setup for my 71 cutlass in
addition to a guage set.  Any links??

                                          Mark Heiser  490-8652

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From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:22:19 -0400
Subject: Cutlass Parts

Looking for a set of Cutlass rally Guages for 70-72 model. Also looking for a
disc brake (front) set for the same car.  If anyone can help, please e-mail
me  at mpheiser@aol.com   .   Thanks alot!!

                                                            Mark Heiser

1971 Cutlass S 455

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From: Tom Millard <OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:48:23 -0400
Subject: 84 Hurst 307 For Sale...

In one of the recent National Dragster's, there is an 84 Hurst Olds 307
HO for sale.  It is listed as 'complete, carb to pan, 60K miles' $500.
1 (215) 441-8730 PA.


I thought some of you guys mighy be interested in this....

Tom Millard OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net (FORMERLY OLDSPWR@aol.com)
79 Cutlass - Street/Strip/Show
86 442 - Summer Driver
79 Cutlass - Winter Bomb
"Faithful to the Rocket Division"

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From: Olds455cut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 01:03:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Seats

Dan,

If you can not use those 67 buckets and would like to sell them, let me know.
 My 67 convertible has buckets from a later Pontiac, I think.  I would even
be interested inb what you paid for them.  This way I might be a little
better armed at Carlise.  Thanks

Jerry

67 Cutlass Supreme convertible 455/TH400
83 Cutlass Calais T-Tops 455/Th400

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From: Tom Millard <OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:48:44 -0400
Subject: MT Valve Covers....

I usually post this once a month or so due to the addition on new
members, so here it goes again...

I am looking for a set of used Mickey Thompson valve covers for my 403.
They don't have to be perfect, but I would like to avoid and cracks,
etc.

Also, does anybody have accecc to a CNC machine that is script
capable???

Thanks for the help...
Tom Millard OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net (FORMERLY OLDSPWR@aol.com)
79 Cutlass - Street/Strip/Show
86 442 - Summer Driver
79 Cutlass - Winter Bomb
"Faithful to the Rocket Division"

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From: Frank Gonzalez <PLPAUDIO@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:51:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Exhaust System

Steve Wieczorek wrote:
>
>         Does anybody have experience with the 3 chamber Flowmaster
>         mufflers?
>
>         How would 2&1/2 in. Flowmasters compare to 2&1/4 in. Walkers?
>
>                 *  For performance?
>
>                 *  For sound?
>
>         I have a '70 Cutlass 350 rebuilt to about 300 hp, 3:23 gears and
>         a 3200 stall convertor.
>
>         Thanks,
>
>         steve
>         '70 Cutlass conv.
>         '83 98 4-dr.
> Stevew@atsmail.lucent.com
> 703-271-7380

I dont know what performance difference is but I have heard a 72 442
with flowmasters and it DID not sound like an Olds.Just my .02c.
Frank

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 03:06:57 -0400
Subject: Re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold & Question

At 09:00 PM 2/14/97 -0500, you wrote:
>The 350 exhaust manifold used a cover plate for dual exhausts. There is no
"dual
>exhaust manifold". Sorry.

Does anyone know of a source for this cover plate? I am planning to switch
my 403 over to true duals, and would like to avoid the "cross-over tube cut
off and hammered flat" approach.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: katana72@juno.com (Robert F Turner)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 08:25:23 -0400
Subject: Re: MT Valve Covers....

On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 00:48:44 -0400 Tom Millard <OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net>
writes:

>I am looking for a set of used Mickey Thompson valve covers for my
>403.
>They don't have to be perfect, but I would like to avoid and cracks,
>etc.
>Thanks for the help...
 I have a set of MT Valve covers that fit my 330/350 motors. I believe
that they will also fit the 403 motor. If you are interested, contact me.
Rob Turner

Katana72@Juno.com

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From: Olds455cut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:02:19 -0400
Subject: Fwd: disc brake conversion

- ---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    Re: disc brake conversion
Date:    97-02-17 23:17:09 EST
From:    GABowles
To:      Olds455cut

Jerry,

The conversion is off of another car.  I just took the front spindles off of
the donor car, a 72 cutlass.  Therefore, I have the spindles, dust shields,
calipers, rotors, and tie rod assemblies.  Additional parts to make it work
would be a new master cylinder, brake hoses and proportioning valve.  I did
not get those parts off the donor car because they are cheap and should
be--in my opinion--replaced on a car that old.  The parts are in take off
condtion, they would need to be cleaned and the calipers rebuilt.  I would be
willing to clean the parts, rebuild the calipers, and replace the wheel
bearing for a nominal charge.  This way you could take them out of the box
and bolt them on.  It would probably be about another $50.

And yes, I still have them.

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From: Olds455cut@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:03:58 -0400
Subject: Fwd: disc brake conversion

This guy is selling a disc brake set up on Bryceman's page.  I think he might
be able to help you.
- ---------------------
Forwarded message:
Subj:    Re: disc brake conversion
Date:    97-02-17 23:17:09 EST
From:    GABowles
To:      Olds455cut

Jerry,

The conversion is off of another car.  I just took the front spindles off of
the donor car, a 72 cutlass.  Therefore, I have the spindles, dust shields,
calipers, rotors, and tie rod assemblies.  Additional parts to make it work
would be a new master cylinder, brake hoses and proportioning valve.  I did
not get those parts off the donor car because they are cheap and should
be--in my opinion--replaced on a car that old.  The parts are in take off
condtion, they would need to be cleaned and the calipers rebuilt.  I would be
willing to clean the parts, rebuild the calipers, and replace the wheel
bearing for a nominal charge.  This way you could take them out of the box
and bolt them on.  It would probably be about another $50.

And yes, I still have them.

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:22:56 -0400
Subject: Re: 40lbs enough?

Most of the oil pumps on the market are made by Mellings they just put them
in a different box. 40 lbs at 2000 rpm is plenty and should cause no
problems. I would change to a 10 W 40 after you get a few miles on it.
Walter
> From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
> To: OLDS NET <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: 40lbs enough?
> Date: Monday, February 17, 1997 9:48 PM
>
> I just had my 69 Olds 455 rebuilt.  Had the crank ground 10 under,
> maintained stock bearing and rod clearances, used a
> stock melling oil pump. I am using 30W castol oil with 1pt GM break-in
oil.
>
> When the engine gets to temp  the oil pressure is about 40lbs at 2000
> RPM.  This seems low to me. The engine only has 50 min run in time.  I
> doubt it will get better.  I plan to do mostly street
> driving with an occasional blast but NO serious racing.
>
> What do ya think?  I don't want to ruin a good engine I've spent enough
> as it is.  I'll replace the pump with model?/brand? if you think it will
> really improve the wear/benefit ratio.
>
>

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From: "Milone, Louis" <LMILONE@boundless.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:36:00 -0400
Subject: unsubscribe

Please unsubscribe my system

thanks

Lou
83 H/O
80 Cutlass

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From: R4C442@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:35:14 -0400
Subject: Re: `65 - 442

Hey there Rammer!
    Got to agree that the previous owner should be sterilized to prevent this
type of lunacy from procreating!
    The 4-speeds mentioned should be either the M-20 or M-21 Muncie. The M-21
is a close-ratio version. Good luck in your very noble quest!
                                     Ron Forsee
                                      65 442-meister

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:57:05 -0400
Subject: RE: Detroit Autorama followup

Mark:
	Sorry I missed you last night but I got in late. I'll try again 
tonight.

Chris

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From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:02:54 -0400
Subject: RE: disc brake conversion

On this same note what is a front disc setup worth these days? Say spindles ,
rotors, and backing plates.

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:08:12 -0400
Subject: Re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold & Question

Robert,
The cutoff plate was available from Oldsmobile. Don't be upset with me if it
still isn't. If not still available from Olds, you might try one of the many
parts vendors, Fusick, Year One, etc.

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com

------------------------------

From: joshstrub@csgnyc1.attmail.com (joshstrub)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:09:33 -0400
Subject: Car Models

Recently I have become absorbed by car models, it is too cold to work on the
real thing in NJ this time of year.  I have run into a very familiar problem,
however,  I'm tired of doing Fords and Chevys.  Does anyone know of a company
that has Oldsmobile models? I'll take any year Rocket to start and work from
there.

Josh

'65 Jetstar 88 Convertible Custom

------------------------------

From: joshstrub@csgnyc1.attmail.com (joshstrub)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:32:13 -0400
Subject: Full Size Anti Spin

Does anyone know what is required to change a 1965 Jetstar 88 with an open
3.08 rear into an AntiSpin.  Does BOP come into play.

Josh
1965 Jetstar 88 convertible
joshstrub@mail.att.net

------------------------------

From: jmskms@ix.netcom.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 10:25:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Car Models

At 10:09 AM 2/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
 Does anyone know of a company
>that has Oldsmobile models? I'll take any year Rocket to start and work from
>there.
>
>Josh
>
>'65 Jetstar 88 Convertible Custom
>
>

I remember about 5 years ago I did a model of a 1964 F-85...It was an off
brand model company that had a lot of non-musclecars from 60-64 or so.
Sorry I can't remember the model company.  I do know that there is a 69 442
model out there...I think it's by Monogram.

Jonathan


Kim & Jonathan Smith
www.netcom.com/~jmskms
IRC: SwineTrek or Comissh

------------------------------

From: John Schumacher <jd.schumacher@baylordallas.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:46:28 -0400
Subject: Re: your 394

cuzinit@traverse.com wrote:
>
> yes,I still have the 394.Would you be building a starfire?

Stock would be a 2brl 345 horse, but I'm building a 4blr 360 horse bored
40 over if I can find a doner block.  It will be going in a '64 Dynamic
88 2dr HT.  I've bought three complete 394's so far only to discover
cracks in lifter valleys and around freeze plugs.  Is your motor a good
core?

Let me know about your motor, I'm anxious to get the D88 running again.

John Schumacher
NTOC#254
OCA#021151
64 D88
69 442
74 Supreme

------------------------------

From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:50:55 -0400
Subject: Re: 1966 442 W-30s

Kurt Heinrich wrote:

> I was thumbing through Hemmings and saw two ads for '66 442 W30s.
> Don't recall the exact prices but one was around $25K and the
> other was around $42K.  They were owned by the same person.
> Question is, if someone owned _2_ of these, why would they Sell
> them???

*******

I think that's what's called a $64,000 question.  Or more precisely
in this case apparently, a $67,000 question.

          ---
 ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ---    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
 --------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:52:01 -0400
Subject: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold &
Question)

At 09:08 AM 2/18/97 -0500, you wrote:
>The cutoff plate was available from Oldsmobile. Don't be upset with me if it
>still isn't. If not still available from Olds, you might try one of the many
>parts vendors, Fusick, Year One, etc.

Thanks, Art! Has anyone else on the list ever ordered one of these parts?
Any part #'s from the GM parts book for these?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Jon442@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:03:37 -0400
Subject: Hood for '75 H/O for sale

I'm passing on info I got in an email from a guy that wants to sell a hood
for a '75 Hurst/Olds. He says it is straight and in primer and he wants $100
for it. If you need more info, email him at richross@juno.com.

Jon Wessel

------------------------------

From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:06:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Full Size Anti Spin

>Does anyone know what is required to change a 1965 Jetstar 88 with an open
>3.08 rear into an AntiSpin.  Does BOP come into play.
>
>Josh
>1965 Jetstar 88 convertible
>joshstrub@mail.att.net


Josh --

As you probably already know,  The Jetstar 88 series didn't run "full size"
car components in it's drive train.  It was the only big car that year to
run the 330 small block, the two-speed jetaway trans and the small 9.5 inch
drum brakes with the small 4.75 bolt circle wheels.  It shared its
drivetrain components with the Cutlass cars.

I have owened a few of these cars because they are dear to my heart.  My
father bought a 2-door in Jan of 1965 that I drove through high school and
college.  He is 68 years old now and we still have that car.  That car is
is responsible for my love of Olds cars!

The good news is that Cutlass rear end gears fit!  It should be easy to
locate a 10 bolt '64 to '67 Cutlass carrier assembly for your rear end.  I
put a 3.91 posi out of a 66 442 in my Jetstar 88,   and it really goes with
that 4-speed!

I have a lot of experience with these cars,  so feel free to contact me
with questions!

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-spd
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

And Dad's 65 Jetstar 88  330 auto!

------------------------------

From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:58:31 -0400
Subject: Re: The Meaning of 442

Ed (Escape442@aol.com wrote:

> I know that most of you who read this list know this, however, I
> still come across someone who says: Four Fourty Two!  There is no
> better way to display your ignorance!  If your not sure, ask, but
> for God's sake get with the program! FOUR-FOUR-TWO!

*****
Hey Ed,

I've been using "Four-Four-Two" and "Four Forty Two" interchangably
since I bought my first one in 1968 and you're the first person to
complain.  I also sometimes use "Olds" when I really mean
"Oldsmobile", but I don't suppose that you do that either.  Sorry
that you're so sensitive on this issue.  Would you rather that I go
somewhere else and start saying "Zed-Two-Eight" instead?

          ---
 ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ---    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
 --------------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:17:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Parts Cars

> 68 442 Post Coupe - Not much left, Chrome wheel well moldings I think
> three of them were good. NO posi, No rear bumper, No drivetrain, us
> to have the correct TH400 in the trunk.

It occurs to me that the trunk may be the most strongly-engineered part
of the whole car, since Detroit knows that sooner or later, somebody's
going to try and dump a transmission in it...

- -- Andy (still reading in digest mode due to quantity of work this week...)

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

From: "Graham Stewart" <graham.stewart@utoronto.ca>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 12:46:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold
&Question)

> >The cutoff plate was available from Oldsmobile. Don't be upset with me
if it
> >still isn't. If not still available from Olds, you might try one of the
many
> >parts vendors, Fusick, Year One, etc.
>
> Thanks, Art! Has anyone else on the list ever ordered one of these parts?
> Any part #'s from the GM parts book for these?
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry

The part is called "Cap, Right Exhaust Manifold Cover", used from
1965-1971.  Part number 386498.  I think I tried to get one of these from a
GM dealership a few years back without any luck, but I don't think they
looked beyond their stock on hand.  Let us know what you find ...

Graham Stewart
Toronto, Canada
graham.stewart@utoronto.ca

------------------------------

From: David Nye <jdnye@norfolk.infi.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:14:37 -0400
Subject: Re: disc brake conversion

Chris Urban wrote:
>
> On this same note what is a front disc setup worth these days? Say spindles
, rotors, and backing plates. Chris, I recently bought both sides for $100
(off of a Grand Prix) at a local bone yard. I'm a little uneasy though because
the guy that burned them off of the upper and lower ball joints got a little
carried away with the hot-wrench. I'll have to do some repair before
installation. 				David Nye 
				'71 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 00:19:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold
&Question)

>> >The cutoff plate was available from Oldsmobile. Don't be upset with me
>if it
>> >still isn't. If not still available from Olds, you might try one of the
>many
>> >parts vendors, Fusick, Year One, etc.
>>
>> Thanks, Art! Has anyone else on the list ever ordered one of these parts?
>> Any part #'s from the GM parts book for these?
>> _______________________________________________________
>> Dr. Robert Barry
>
>The part is called "Cap, Right Exhaust Manifold Cover", used from
>1965-1971.  Part number 386498.  I think I tried to get one of these from a
>GM dealership a few years back without any luck, but I don't think they
>looked beyond their stock on hand.  Let us know what you find ...
>
>Graham Stewart
>Toronto, Canada
>graham.stewart@utoronto.ca



Also try a GMC or Chev truck dealership.  The 5.7 diesels in these trucks
ran duals with the same manifolds that the cars used.  They also had these
caps on the RH manifold.

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-spd
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

------------------------------

From: Dan Bennett <DBennett@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:28:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Seats

Olds455cut@aol.com wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> If you can not use those 67 buckets and would like to sell them, let me
know. >  My 67 convertible has buckets from a later Pontiac, I think.  I would
even > be interested inb what you paid for them.  This way I might be a little 
>
better armed at Carlise.  Thanks > > Jerry > > 67 Cutlass Supreme
convertible 455/TH400 > 83 Cutlass Calais T-Tops 455/Th400

Jerry, I dont have them yet, but I know where they are.  The vinyl is
bad but the seat foam, chrome, and rails are excellent.  The Rear seat
is good to (with new vinyl that is).  This particular boneyard is really
reasonable, I will call for a price and write back.  In fact, this
particular '67 is really complete and has all the dash chrome, door
hardware, sheet metal that a '67 Cutlass owner would need.  I'll get
back to you on the prices.
- --
Daniel Bennett
Academic Advisor, Graduate Programs
Computer Science and Engineering
Arizona State University
dbennett@asu.edu
For more info visit our Webpage
http://www.eas.asu.edu/~csedept

------------------------------

From: David Nye <jdnye@norfolk.infi.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:33:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold
&Question)

I just talked to a friend of mine at a local Olds/GMC dealer and he
tells me that part no. 386498 (Cap, Exhaust) was discontinued in 1982. I
was looking for one too. Guess we'll have to keep hunting.
			David Nye
			'71 Cutlass Supreme Droptop

------------------------------

From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:05:04 -0400
Subject: Parts WEB URL

There  is a great web site to search for new and used parts. The URL is :

http://www.worldparts.com

I think someone on the list has posted this URL befor. I have used the service
to search for some parts and it works. They send e-mail out to a lot of
dealers and parts suppliers, and they reply if they have the part. You enter
the name of the part and it will search for the part number and give you a
price and who has the part. If the part is not found you fill out a form and a
e-mail message is sent out to there dearler network. The dealer will send you
E-mail back if they have the part with the part number and price. You can
search for new or used parts. Give it a try, it is free, and it may find the
hard to find parts you need.


Bobby

70 442 (Escape Back to the.......Past)

------------------------------

From: RICHARD GRIGGS <ICACS208@montana.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 14:34:20 -0400
Subject: 1973 Olds 98

I have an 1973 Olds 98 Cotner/Bevington combination hearse/ambulance.
It has a 455 4bbl produced in 10/72.  I know it has some emmission
controls.  The emmissions tags and books say it is a heavy duty engine.
I was wondering what emmission controls it may have specifically the
compression and whether the intake manifold is restricted.

------------------------------

From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 13:38:53 -0400
Subject: Olds TV ad

I was flipping channels Fri. night and on HGTV, there was a show called
Lucille's Car Care Clinic, or something to that affect.  Anyway, they showed
the first Olds TV ad for the, then new, 88 with Lucille and Roger Rocket, I
think that was their names.  The ad was black and white and the car looked
like a fifty-something 88, don't know my '50's oldmobiles.  Pretty neat, it
showed a woman driving the car and the Rocket's on a rocket flying thru
space.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 14:56:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold
&Question)

On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Tony Waldner wrote:
> >Graham Stewart wrote:
> >The part is called "Cap, Right Exhaust Manifold Cover", used from
> >1965-1971.  Part number 386498.  I think I tried to get one of these from a
> >GM dealership a few years back without any luck, but I don't think they
> >looked beyond their stock on hand.  Let us know what you find ...
>
> Also try a GMC or Chev truck dealership.  The 5.7 diesels in these trucks
> ran duals with the same manifolds that the cars used.  They also had these
> caps on the RH manifold.

Seems to me we're missing something here. If the original part was
discontinued in '82, what did the 5.7 diesels use that were made in that
year and afterwards? Either a new part # or a true dual exhaust manifold
seem like the only options. Anyone got a later parts book that could find
out for us?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:06:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Build Sheet - Found!

At 11:51 PM 2/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-02-17 08:56:45 EST, you write:
>
>> Since the sheet glued to the floor appears to be for a car several thousand
>>  units later, the only way for the line assembler to stick it in my car is;
>>
>>  a> the assembler is pulling the sheets off the bottom of the stack
>>  b> my car made a second pass thru the plant.
>>
>>  Neither sounds very plausible.
>>
>
>Isn't it common practice for the body numbers and VIN numbers to be
>drastically off?  Isn't it possible that this convertible with the wacko body
>number was sitting around in stock at the plant and is the one that was
>pulled for production immediately before or after your car.  And the sheet
>got in the wrong car?  That's happened more than once from what I've heard.
> You didn't mention if there was a VIN on the build sheet.  The body number
>could be way off, but the VINs could be in sequence.
>
>I have two great-aunts who both owned '54 Oldses.  They must have ordered
>them at the same time.  They were both Super 88 Deluxe Holiday Coupes.  Both
>cars were identically equipped.  They both took delivery on June 5, 1954.
> The body numbers are sequential, 1680 and 1681.  The VIN for 1680 is
>548W9572 and the VIN for 1681 is 548W9576.  The factory snuck (sneaked?)
>three other cars in between those two 88s.  Who knows what the body numbers
>were for those.
>
>Paul
>
>
Body number is the sequential (serial number) number of the body.  EACH
STYLE OF BODY had it's own body number sequence STARTING AT '1'.  The VIN is
the production sequence number at each plant.  They do not have any real
relationship to each one another, save for in modern days they will be
sequential to each other, ie, a lower body number will not usually be built
after a higher, and there can be exceptions to this, if a job is 'kicked
out' after it has started on the line, it could be finished later.

An easy way to think about it is the VIN is the chassis number, and the body
number is the body number!

Also the production planners like to break up assemebly of the same type of
job.  In the days when station wagons were 7% of annual production they
would place wagons in the daily line up at about each 13th unit.  If they
were run together some of the assemblers would fall far behind, if they were
involved only with wagon assembly.  As an example, if an assembler was
responsible for ALL of he wagon tailgates, a part that was only used on the
wagon, his operation would take a bit of time, and he could not address a
second tailgate in less  time than it took to produce the several other
units.  Production time study gave each man a jobs worth of work for each
job, and if he had a specialty job, he might have 5 or 10 or 13 jobs worth
of work for each unit he performed work for.  A job is a car, an assemblers
responsibility to a job is an operation.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:07:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Car Models -Reply (long)

>I do know that there is a 69 442 model out there...I think it's by
>Monogram.
>
>Jonathan

Actually, It's made by AMT/Ertl.  You should be able to find it at your local
Wal-Mart for $9.  A few years ago Ertl also put out the '69 Hurst/Olds.  It
was the first model I ever bought and I did a really bad job on it.  I've been
looking all over for another one since, but I haven't had any luck.  If
anyone finds an extra one for under $15, I'd like to buy it.  My Scale Model
Enthusiast magazine has several ads that say a '70 442 model was due to
be released in December '96 from Testors.  Apparently it's a re-issue of a
JoHan kit, with wide tires and white metals wheels.  It retails for about
$14.95.  Anyone seen this kit?

There are several places that advertise in Scale Auto Enthusiast that have
the '69 442 kit, and one that you can order the '70 442 kit from.  They are:

Hobby Heaven
PO Box 3229
Grand Rapids, MI  49501
Phone:  (616) 453-1094
Fax:  (616) 791-9295
Olds Models:  '70 Olds 442 ... $14.95
Shipping:  1-9 kits - $4.50; $1.00 per 3 additional
Special Instr.:  Prices subject to change.  Production delays are common.
Visa, MC, & Money orders get fastest processing; checks held for 3 weeks.
 No C.O.D.  Mich. residents add 6% sales tax.

The Upper Groove
2490 Black Rock Turnpike, #419
Fairfield, CT  06430
Phone:  (203) 348-1008
Fax:  (203) 336-9129
Olds Models:  1/25 '69 442 W-30 ... $7.55
Shipping:  1-12 items - $4.75; 13-24 items - $9.50
Special Instr.:  Prices subject to change.  Visa, MC, Check, & Money
orders accepted.  Checks are held for 10 days.  No Cash or C.O.D.  CT
residents add 6% sales tax.  Catalog $3 or free with order.

Discount Plastic Models
287 Main St.
P.O. Box 2170-SA2
New Britain, CT  06050
Phone:  (800) 233-0872
Fax:  (860) 225-5316
Olds Models:  #8232  1/25 442 W-30 ... Reg.- $10.50; Sale - $6.89
Shipping:  $5.50  (US orders)
Special Instructions:  Minimum order $20.00.  Visa, MC, Discover, Check,
Money Order.  No C.O.D.  CT residents add 6%.  Over 4,000 kits.  $4 for
Huge Model Catalog, or Free with order.
Model Search service:  (860) 223-0600  Mon. - Sat. 9:30 - 5:30 EST.

******************************

To anyone who likes to build models, I highly recommend Fine Scale
Modeler magazine.  For those who just want to keep up to date on scale
modeling in general, Scale Auto Enthusiast is a great magazine, also.  They
are both available through Kalbach Publishing.  You can get more info at:
http://www.kalmbach.com/kalmbach.html

******************************
Also, if anyone has been trying in vain to find those 1/18 Ertl die cast '69
Hurst/Olds & 442 W-31 die casts, they are available from several places on
the internet.  The cheapest (and friendliest) source that I know of is Evers
Toys.  They are at:

http://www.marketplaza.com/shop/evers.html

They are $23.30 ea. plus shipping.  They also have the 1/25 '69 442 W-30
plastic model kit for $7.30.  Check out the weekly bargains.  There's
usually some other good deals there...

******************************
- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass  Supreme

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:14:25 -0400
Subject: Anybody got 2G3AH35A3B2504589?

Okay, just in case, by some odd twist of fate, the person who owns the
1981 Oldsmobile (what?) with the VIN #2G3AH35A3B2504589 is on the Olds
list, (slim chances huh?) if you own this vehicle, contact me, and I'll
mail you a copy of your build sheet!  (There were 2 in a former parts car
of mine, consecutive, and still attached.  The other was for the parts
car).

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-TN.Edu

------------------------------

From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:17:37 -0400
Subject: Re: 74 Toro

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Joseph Fauzio wrote:

> Could anyone tell me what engine is in a 74 Toronado.

   Oldsmobile?  ;^>

   Should be a 455.

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

------------------------------

From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:21:09 -0400
Subject: Re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold & Question

> question. He has a '72 Supreme with a 350, and is looking for a dual
> exhaust type right exhaust manifold, the kind without the inlet for a
> crossover pipe. I figured I'd look up the part number before posting the

> Is there such a piece designed expressly for duals? Or did they all come
> with the crossover inlet that was just blocked off when duals were used?

    I've never seen a RH manifold with no provision for the crossover
pipe.  From what I've seen there are two types of block offs for the
unused opening - the factory style, which is supposedly much
flatter than the aftermarket one.

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:19:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold
&Question)

At 12:19 AM 2/19/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>> >The cutoff plate was available from Oldsmobile. Don't be upset with me
>>if it
>>> >still isn't. If not still available from Olds, you might try one of the
>>many
>>> >parts vendors, Fusick, Year One, etc.
>>>
>>> Thanks, Art! Has anyone else on the list ever ordered one of these parts?
>>> Any part #'s from the GM parts book for these?
>>> _______________________________________________________
>>> Dr. Robert Barry
>>
>>The part is called "Cap, Right Exhaust Manifold Cover", used from
>>1965-1971.  Part number 386498.  I think I tried to get one of these from a
>>GM dealership a few years back without any luck, but I don't think they
>>looked beyond their stock on hand.  Let us know what you find ...
>>
>>Graham Stewart
>>Toronto, Canada
>>graham.stewart@utoronto.ca
>
>
>
>Also try a GMC or Chev truck dealership.  The 5.7 diesels in these trucks
>ran duals with the same manifolds that the cars used.  They also had these
>caps on the RH manifold.
>
>Tony
>
>70 442 W-30
>70 Toro GT W-34
>65 Jetstar 88 w/4-spd
>85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
>92 Seville STS
>
>

This also means that Detroit-Diesel-Allison is a place to look, because they
'took over' the Olds diesel when Oldsmobile tried to make shed of it.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:21:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold
&Question)

At 01:33 PM 2/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I just talked to a friend of mine at a local Olds/GMC dealer and he
>tells me that part no. 386498 (Cap, Exhaust) was discontinued in 1982. I
>was looking for one too. Guess we'll have to keep hunting.
>			David Nye
>			'71 Cutlass Supreme Droptop
>
>
There is an aire of incongruity here.  If the part was used on Olds diesels,
they WERE NOT discontinued until after 1985...  Something sounds fishey.

The Wiz

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:26:51 -0400
Subject: transmission question

Hello all,

I was underneath my '84 Cutlass that I THOUGHT I had swapped a 350 4bbl.
and TH400 into, finally replacing the rubber tranny cooling lines I had
had temporarily with metal ones, and I noticed that on the tail shaft,
there was the marking, "375 TH".  Okay, what have I got here?  Is this a
TH375 and not a 400?  The drain pan is the same shape and size as a 400
judging by the filter kit that I succesfully installed!  Also, the
driveshaft had to be shortened for the swap into the Cutlass, so obviously
the transmission is longer than a TH350!  So what exactly have I got here?
Also, what sorts of "quirks" or problems does this tranny have?  Is it
just a form of the TH400?

Thanks,
Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
'84 Oldmsobile Cutlass Supreme (350 4bbl. TH??? 69k miles)

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From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:27:51 -0400
Subject: Re: '88 rear ends

On Sun, 16 Feb 1997, John and Elizabeth Gene wrote:

> In 1988, were all full size GM cars using the same rear end? If so, were
> there other years that would fit this car?

   The basic chassis was the same from about '78 to '88.   You can pull a
rear from any B-body car - the mounting brackets are the same, but the
cars WITHOUT the HD suspension won't have the 1/2" wheel studs.

   Cad's, police-package Caprice's and Olds 98's will all have the rear
you're looking for.   All the wagons (I think) came with the 1/2" studs.

> How does one tell the difference between a good used limited slip unit and
> a worn out piece of garbage? Does it pay to buy new?

    I think the book specs that you shouldn't be able to turn the axles
seperately until about 75 ft-lbs of force are applied.  I know that I can
just barely turn one wheel on the posi in my '88 Dodge by hand...

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

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From: bryceman@442.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:32:26 -0400
Subject: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (try this on for size)

>On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Tony Waldner wrote:
>> >Graham Stewart wrote:
>> >The part is called "Cap, Right Exhaust Manifold Cover", used from
>> >1965-1971.  Part number 386498.  I think I tried to get one of these from
a >> >GM dealership a few years back without any luck, but I don't think they
>> >looked beyond their stock on hand.  Let us know what you find ...

Here is my solution:  There are flanges that hold the exhaust head pipes up
to the dumps on exhaust manifolds on any car, right... The exhaust head
pipe passes through this flange. The flange forces the flared end of the
head pipe against a doughnut gasket forming a seal with the dump on the
exhaust manifold. Ok, any muffler shop should be able to provide you with
one of these flanges. Take the flange to your local welding shop and have
them weld a round piece of steel over the hole in the flange (where the
head pipe would pass through. Presto, you have your cap. Then use an
exhaust doughnut gasket between your new cap and the crossover dump, bolt
it up and you are done.

My '66 88 came with duals from the factory and had the stock cap on the
right manifold, blocking the crossover dump. This cap is nothing more than
one of those flanges (described above) with no hole in the middle for a
pipe to pass through. Mine had rusted through and I entertained doing what
is explained above. I decided just to have the hole in my stock cap welded
up.


           Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
            Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

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From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:34:17 -0400
Subject: Re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold & Question

On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Robert J. Barry wrote:

> Does anyone know of a source for this cover plate? I am planning to switch
> my 403 over to true duals, and would like to avoid the "cross-over tube cut
> off and hammered flat" approach.

   I think Year One has them.  One of the local exhaust shops made me a
nice one when they did the duals on my car - they'd probably only get a
few bucks to make one seperately.

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 07:53:36 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Man

     The part was also used on my '84 H/O.  I don't know the part number,
     and I haven't looked at it in a while, but I seem to remember it just
     being a flat plate with bolt holes in it.  Can't be that hard to
     fabricate one. . .

     You may also have luck finding one in a junkyard.  My fiance's truck
     with a '77 Olds 350 transplanted into it has the capped off manifold
     too (with true duals).  Dunno exactly where the manifolds came from
     since it was there when we bought the truck.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was
re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifo Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET
Date:    2/18/97 11:38 AM


At 01:33 PM 2/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I just talked to a friend of mine at a local Olds/GMC dealer and he
>tells me that part no. 386498 (Cap, Exhaust) was discontinued in 1982. I
>was looking for one too. Guess we'll have to keep hunting.
>   David Nye
>   '71 Cutlass Supreme Droptop
>
>
There is an aire of incongruity here.  If the part was used on Olds diesels,
they WERE NOT discontinued until after 1985...  Something sounds fishey.

The Wiz



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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:08:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Car Models

> >I do know that there is a 69 442 model out there...I think it's by
> >Monogram.
> >
> >Jonathan
>
> Actually, It's made by AMT/Ertl.  You should be able to find it at your
local > Wal-Mart for $9.  A few years ago Ertl also put out the '69
Hurst/Olds.  It > was the first model I ever bought and I did a really bad job
on it.  I've been > looking all over for another one since, but I haven't had
any luck.  If > anyone finds an extra one for under $15, I'd like to buy it.
My Scale Model > Enthusiast magazine has several ads that say a '70 442 model
was due to > be released in December '96 from Testors.

Don't forget Monogram is reissuing the Hurst Hairy Olds. I have one on
order at the local model shop, which by the way, is owned by a 442 owner
(69 & 70).

Kurt
71 442

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From: Joseph Fauzio <jfauzio@postoffice.ptd.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:18:18 -0400
Subject: 65 Olds ad

I just saw an ad in the local paper that said-65 Olds Cutlass post
coupe, excellent body, $1500.00. Call 717-386-5197 after 6pm. Lehighton.

Lehighton is in eastern Pennsylvania.

If anybody is interested I'll go and look at it for them.

Joe  71 442

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:22:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Man

I guess the solution to this depends on how good your exhaust shop is.
When I went to duals on my '68, what I ended up with was what looks like a
piece of headpipe bolted to the crossover inlet with another piece of
metal welded to close off the end. It works, but doesn't look so hot. In
fact, the first time I noticed from above, I thought for a split second
that it was the oil filter since the overall proportions are about the
same. Obviously not the way I would have preferred to have it look, but I
guess I'm stuck with it for a while. If anyone turns up a source for the
actual cap, post it here please.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:20:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Man

Didn't the '87 442 have dual exhaust?  If so, that part may STILL be
available!  I guess that that would be a 307 rather than a 350 though.

Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Tom Lentz wrote:

>
>      The part was also used on my '84 H/O.  I don't know the part number,
>      and I haven't looked at it in a while, but I seem to remember it just
>      being a flat plate with bolt holes in it.  Can't be that hard to
>      fabricate one. . .
>
>      You may also have luck finding one in a junkyard.  My fiance's truck
>      with a '77 Olds 350 transplanted into it has the capped off manifold
>      too (with true duals).  Dunno exactly where the manifolds came from
>      since it was there when we bought the truck.
>
>      Tom Lentz
>      tlentz@teknon.com
>
> ______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ > Subject: Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was
re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifo > Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET >
Date:    2/18/97 11:38 AM > > > At 01:33 PM 2/18/97 -0400, you wrote: > >I
just talked to a friend of mine at a local Olds/GMC dealer and he > >tells me
that part no. 386498 (Cap, Exhaust) was discontinued in 1982. I > >was
looking for one too. Guess we'll have to keep hunting. > >   David Nye > >
'71 Cutlass Supreme Droptop > > > > > There is an aire of incongruity here.
If the part was used on Olds diesels, > they WERE NOT discontinued until
after 1985...  Something sounds fishey. > > The Wiz > > > >


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