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oldsmobile-digest       Wednesday, 19 February 1997    Volume 01 : Number 523

Results from Myclassiccar.com
Re: transmission question
exhaust manifold cap solution
Re[2]: '88 rear ends
Re: transmission question
Re: 1976 oldsmobile delta 88 royale
New issue of MCR
Re: Mothballs
Re: Detroit Autorama followup
Re: Mothballs
RE: Parts Cars
Eperthener's Wrecking Yard
Re: #Oldsmobile on DALnet
Re: Build Sheets
Administrivia: Archives
Re: 350 Exhaust Manifolds
RE: transmission question
Re: transmission question
Re: 84 Hurst 307 For Sale...
Transmission Question
Re[2]: 84 Hurst 307 For Sale...
Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold &  Question)
First V8?
Spline # (and other diff related questions)
Motor mounts
Re: Car Models
Re: Spline # (and other diff related questions)
Re: 1976 oldsmobile delta 88 royale
Re: First V8?
Re: #Oldsmobile on DALnet
Re: '88 rear ends
Re: Parts Cars 68 post doors
Re: 350 Exhaust Manifolds
Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
looking for a console
Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold &Question)
Re: Build Sheet - Found!
Re: The Meaning of 442
Re: First V8?
Re: Parts Cars
Re: First V8?
4 spd back up light switch
[none]
Re: New issue of MCR
#Oldsmobile--on Dal.net
Re: 84 Hurst 307 For Sale...
Nitrous on 84 Hurst...
Re: First V8?
Re: transmission question
cancel
Junkyard '72 CS Found...
Re: Nitrous on 84 Hurst...
Re: #Oldsmobile--on Dal.net
Re: Detroit Autorama followup
Re: Nitrous on 84 Hurst...
Re: First V8?: Kevin Wong
Re: transmission question
Re: Spline # (and other diff related questions)
Re: First V8?
Spline # (and other diff related questions) again
Re: First V8?
Re: The Meaning of 442
Early V8s
Re: Car Models
Re: Early V8s

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:36:29 -0400
Subject: Results from Myclassiccar.com

The '56 Olds lost... :(

Got about 46% of the vote, the '55 Ch*vy got the majority. In numbers, we
were 25 or 30 short. At least we tried...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:10:25 -0400
Subject: Re: transmission question

Clayton Pierce wrote:
>
> Hello all,
>
> I was underneath my '84 Cutlass that I THOUGHT I had swapped a 350 4bbl.
> and TH400 into, finally replacing the rubber tranny cooling lines I had
> had temporarily with metal ones, and I noticed that on the tail shaft,
> there was the marking, "375 TH".  Okay, what have I got here?  Is this a
> TH375 and not a 400?  The drain pan is the same shape and size as a 400
> judging by the filter kit that I succesfully installed!  Also, the
> driveshaft had to be shortened for the swap into the Cutlass, so obviously
> the transmission is longer than a TH350!  So what exactly have I got here?
> Also, what sorts of "quirks" or problems does this tranny have?  Is it
> just a form of the TH400?
>
> Thanks,
> Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
> Clayton Pierce,
> zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
> '84 Oldmsobile Cutlass Supreme (350 4bbl. TH??? 69k miles)


Hey I am at work so I am just pulling from memory. I think the TH-375 is
a lockup version of the 400, meaning it has a lockup torque converter. I
have never seen one myself, but I had a friend who had an '82 Delta 88
that had a lockup version of a TH-350. I know I have a book at home that
will tell me exactly what the 375 is, so I'll look it up when I get
home.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: John and Elizabeth Gene <gene@cybernex.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:17:06 -0400
Subject: exhaust manifold cap solution

I just finished going through all this, this week. As I'm writing this the
shop is hanging true dual exhaust on my car. The muffler shop offered to
cut the cross over pipe and weld the crimped end. For a much cleaner
installation I chose to fabricate a cap. I went to the local auto parts
store and bought a new cross over pipe. I then cut the pipe about two
inches from the end. I took this piece to a local metal working shop. They
turned down a piece of 2" bar stock on a lathe to the inside diameter of
the pipe, pressed it in and welded it together. This makes for a much
cleaner installation and besides no exhaust gas is going to burn through 1"
bar stock. 	

John
+================================+
| John and Elizabeth Gene        |
| mailto:gene@cybernex.net       |
| http://www2.cybernex.net/~gene |
+================================+

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:34:52 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: '88 rear ends

Other cars to look for are the B-bodies with a 403. All have the 11" brake
drums and the 1/2" wheel studs. '77 also. All 11" brake drum cars should use
the 1/2" studs. 9 1/2" drum cars use the 7/16" studs.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu

- ------------
   The basic chassis was the same from about '78 to '88.   You can pull a
rear from any B-body car - the mounting brackets are the same, but the
cars WITHOUT the HD suspension won't have the 1/2" wheel studs.

   Cad's, police-package Caprice's and Olds 98's will all have the rear
you're looking for.   All the wagons (I think) came with the 1/2" studs.

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From: "John M. Barnes" <chmpfish@erols.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:45:02 -0400
Subject: Re: transmission question

Shang wrote:
>
> Clayton Pierce wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I was underneath my '84 Cutlass that I THOUGHT I had swapped a 350 4bbl.
> > and TH400 into, finally replacing the rubber tranny cooling lines I had
> > had temporarily with metal ones, and I noticed that on the tail shaft,
> > there was the marking, "375 TH".  Okay, what have I got here?  Is this a
> > TH375 and not a 400?  The drain pan is the same shape and size as a 400
> > judging by the filter kit that I succesfully installed!  Also, the
> > driveshaft had to be shortened for the swap into the Cutlass, so obviously
> > the transmission is longer than a TH350!  So what exactly have I got here?
> > Also, what sorts of "quirks" or problems does this tranny have?  Is it
> > just a form of the TH400?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
> > Clayton Pierce,
> > zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
> > '84 Oldmsobile Cutlass Supreme (350 4bbl. TH??? 69k miles)
>
> Hey I am at work so I am just pulling from memory. I think the TH-375 is
> a lockup version of the 400, meaning it has a lockup torque converter. I
> have never seen one myself, but I had a friend who had an '82 Delta 88
> that had a lockup version of a TH-350. I know I have a book at home that
> will tell me exactly what the 375 is, so I'll look it up when I get
> home.
>
> Stephen Hoover
> Dallas, Texas
> '70 Cutlass "S"


 The 375 has the guts of a T400 with the output shaft of a T350. It was
used in B I G cars and it effectively shortened the drive shaft. I used
one for a while in a 69 cutlass and it worked fine, I think it's plenty
strong enough.

John

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From: olivier thibault <olivier@9bit.qc.ca>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:42:45 -0400
Subject: Re: 1976 oldsmobile delta 88 royale

ANNA HEBROWSKA wrote:
>
> I have a 1976 oldsmobile delta 88 with 70,000 miles in a
>  very good condition. Any idea what it may be worth?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mixo@gnn.com

What the color?
I have the same but me its a red one :)

Do u have every origine parts?

If yes i ask u how much you sell it if its the case!
And where do u live?

Olivier
Delta 88 Royale 1976

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 09:44:58 -0400
Subject: New issue of MCR

Received the April/May issue of Muscle Car Review today.  Thumbed thru it
fairly quick (went home for lunch), they listed the results of readers top ten
 muscle cars of all time.  Final tally - 2 Oldsmobiles and 1 Chevy.  There
was also an article, using a '66 Cutlass, about replacing vent window
weatherstripping - I will be referencing this later when I redo the vent
windows on the goat.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback

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From: olivier thibault <olivier@9bit.qc.ca>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:03:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Mothballs

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
>
> At 11:26 AM 2/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Hey everyone,
> >
> >I'm about to put my 67 Cutlass Supreme away for as many years as {ulp}
> >TEN...My wife and I are travelling you know.  Soooo... I need some advice.
> >
> >How should I Mothball my Cutlass so that it will take on the least damage.
> >I will be able to access the car around once a year. Should We drain the
> >oil?  Should all the fluids be removed? or just the water?  Should the
> >Battery be taken out?  I once heard that putting baking soda inside the car
> >will keep it from getting musty...is this a good idea?
>
> I'm not an expert, and others on here will undoubtedly have advice as well,
> but I would at least do the following:
>
> Drain the gas tank and empty the fuel lines, including the carburetor.  The
> gasoline will become varnish in 10 years.
>
> I'd leave the oil in (prevents corrosion of internal parts).  To this end,
> I'd run the engine at operating temperature for at least thirty minutes
> before shutting it down for the duration.  This allows water that has
> accumulated in the oil to vaporize and leave the engine, thus reducing the
> likelihood of corrosion from this source.
>
> Probably the most important thing you can do is to remove each spark plug
> and squirt some oil into each cylinder to prevent the pistons from rusting
> to the cylinder walls and seizing the engine.  Then put the spark plugs
> back on finger tight.  When you go to start the engine again in 10 years,
> remove the plugs, squirt some more oil into each cylinder, and replace with
> fresh plugs.
>
> I'd leave the coolant in, but I'd put fresh stuff in after doing a thorough
> flush.
>
> Definitely remove the battery.  It'll probably be worthless after 10 years
> of sitting anyway, and you'll need to put a new one in when the time comes.
>
> You might want to drain and refill the transmission, again to keep parts at
> least somewhat lubricated to prevent corrosion.  Same for the differential.
>
> It probably would't hurt to put the car on jack stands to take the weight
> off the suspension.  Sitting in one position for 10 years is probably not
> good for the suspension, and certainly not good for the tires.
>
> I think your greatest worry will be rodents who set up shop in your
> upholstery and perhaps chew the wires under the hood.  You might want to
> consider mothballs (at least for under the hood), but others may have a
> better suggestion because the mothballs may leave an odor in the interior
> that's difficult to get rid of later.
>
> Ten years?  I've heard of vacations, but this is a whopper!  :)
>
> Good luck.
>
> **************************************
> Daniel A. Gulino
> gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
> http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
> 1975 Delta 88 Convertible
> **************************************

Ya open the carburator and put oil in it!
Fill every cylinder whit good new oil!

And the baking soda goes in the radiator,it will prevent the coolant to
turn
to ash!
Change all liquids and put new!
Put some anti-corosive oil on the spark plug screw,it will rust if you
don`t
do that,Change them when you will remove your car of storage as you
remove all liquids.

The idea of daniel is good about tires.
But but some ash soap whit a strong odor around your car(Like something
sorrosive),make a circle of about 1/2 inch heigh,its will prefent mouse
or
anything like this ... animals to "eat" your car! :)
Put some graphite in yours lock!( if moisture come in they will rust!)

Heuuuuuu...
I think thats all i can do for u! :)

Olivier
Delta 88 royale 1976

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From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:59:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Detroit Autorama followup

Mark, I was there Friday night. I saw your 71 W-30, very nice car. I didn't
see anyone by the car when I was there or else I would of said hi.

I saw that orange 70 W-30, I thought the guy went to far with the orange
paint. Isn't orange the color for Ch*vys????? He should of left it big
block
blue.

There was another one I liked, did you see the dark teal 70 Cutlass S it
was a row or to over from yours. I thought that was a sharp car with the
dark teal color.

Glad to see some Rockets took home some awards.

John Richmond
Warren, MI
richmond@tir.com

- ----------
> From: WMACHINES@aol.com
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Detroit Autorama followup
> Date: Tuesday, February 18, 1997 12:25 AM
>
> Well folks, I did pretty good with the Detroti Autorama. When I arrived
Thurs
> morning, they put me in a class called  Late Consv Hartop 70-79.
> There ended up with 63 cars in that class. Come Sunday they broke the
classes
> up to Late Consv Hdtop 70, Late Consv Hdtop 71-72 and then Late Consv
Htop
> 73-79
> each class had 21 cars in it.  A painted all orange 70 442 took 2nd place
in
> the 70 class.  In my class 71-72 I also took second place.  Five awards
were
> given in my class and the 70 class.  1st,3rd,4th and 5th place went to 72
> Chevelles in my class.
> in the 70 class 1st was a Chevelle and 3rd and went to a Mopar and 4th
and
> 5th to Chevelles again.  I also got the chance to meet Spencergrant@ from
> Warren MI and also Terry Docolds@Magmacom.com  Terry was a very
impressive
> man.  He definetly is an Oldsmobile guru and pretty cool talker. We
talked
> each others ears off.  It took him about 12 hours from Ottawa Canada to
get
> to Detroit.  I tilt my hat to the man and I can say I made a good friend
that
> night with him and his wife.
>
> W MACHINES
> 72 442 W-30
>

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From: olivier thibault <olivier@9bit.qc.ca>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:10:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Mothballs

Timothy Carl Hietpas wrote:
>
> On Mon, 17 Feb 1997 jmskms@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>
> > Hey everyone,
> >
> > I'm about to put my 67 Cutlass Supreme away for as many years as {ulp}
> > TEN...My wife and I are travelling you know.  Soooo... I need some advice.
> >
> > How should I Mothball my Cutlass so that it will take on the least damage.
> > I will be able to access the car around once a year. Should We drain the
> > oil?  Should all the fluids be removed? or just the water?  Should the
> > Battery be taken out?  I once heard that putting baking soda inside the
car > > will keep it from getting musty...is this a good idea? > > > > One
thing that we are doing is constructing a shed specifically for the > >
storage of our car and some of our stuff that we can't travel with.  We > >
probably are going to buy one of those carport kits that you get from Lowes >
> or Home Depot and then put siding on it. > > > > As I'm in Oklahoma right
now, and the car is in Missouri, I need to know > > the dimensions of my car.
Sooooo...could someone with a 1967 cutlass or > > 442 measure the rectangle
that could surround the car? > > > > Thanks in advance, I really appreciate
the info, > > Jonathan > > >         Jon, > >         I have read that
instead of using moth balls which will smell up > the car for months after
getting it out of storage you can substitue the > moth balls for a bar of
Irish Spring soap.  Break the bar in two and > place one piece under each
front bucket.  This smell will disapear when > the bar is removed and it is
still strong enough to keep away the > critters.  As for the baking soda, I
have not heard of it but it couldn't > hurt to try.... > >         Tim > >
thietpas@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu > 1987 Olds 442

Baking soda absorb mositure and if you put it on the radiator it will
prevent
the coolant to turn to hash whit years!

Olivier

Delta 88 Royale 1976

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From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 15:53:00 -0400
Subject: RE: Parts Cars

You Wrote:
        "Just got back from a mornig with my son looking through a bunch of
boneyards. I figured I would give you a list of some of the cars and their
overall condition.<snip.>
4.)  70 Cutlass S post coupe.  - Front and rear seats oustanding. Green
bench, <snip>

Let me know if there is a specific part you need. I can let you know if it's
there and I'll call him and see what he wants.

Jim Chermack"


I'm interested in the bench and rear seats from the 70 post car !!

John Pajak     "DR. OLDS"   301-863-5319
Lexington Park, MD
Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:40:37 -0400
Subject: Eperthener's Wrecking Yard

Got a Cars & Parts today (March issue) and they have an article on
Eperthener's Auto Wrecking in Grove City, Pa. Normally I wouldn't mention
it but they show a '68 Cutlass 2-door in one of the pictures that looks
like it has a bunch of parts left. The article shows lots of other 50's
and 60's cars too. Their phone # is 814-786-7173.

Anyone familiar with this place?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "Tracy McKee" <mckeet@discover-net.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:41:33 -0400
Subject: Re: #Oldsmobile on DALnet

- ----------

> > From: Tracy McKee <mckeet@discover-net.net>


> > Tuesday nights after 7:00 work great for me. There are other times that
> I'm on but that works best for me. How does that work for everyone
else???

> > What time zone?

Sorry about that, wasn't thinking, totally oblivious to the rest of the
world.  You did know the world does revolve around me didn't you.(j/k)

How about after 7:00 central time, I'm in Wisconsin.

Tracy McKee
75 Cutlass Supreme
mckeet@discover-net.net

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From: PidgLanger@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 18:53:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Build Sheets

All of the recent talk about build sheets has made me decide to go looking
for the one for my car.  Since it is a fairly recent build (1991), where
would I find it in my 1991 Calais W-41???

Cecil
1991 W-41
PidgLanger@aol.com

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:58:06 -0400
Subject: Administrivia: Archives

All,

Since archives of the both the Olds and Toro list are now available, I
have discontinued posting the last 7 days of both digests to the Toro
links page.

A link to the Toro Searchable Archive (thanks, Dave) has been added.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:50:00 -0400
Subject: Re: 350 Exhaust Manifolds

     Can anybody shed light on the W31 exhaust manifold mystery ? Did the 70
W31 use the same manifolds as the other 350s in 70 ???

John Pajak     "DR. OLDS"
Lexington Park, MD
Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL

65 Delta 88
66 Toronado
69 Cutlass S
70 Cutlass S W31
70 442 W30 convert
72 442 W30 convert
72 Delta 88 convert
+ others

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From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 17:27:00 -0400
Subject: RE: transmission question

Hello all,

I was underneath my '84 Cutlass that I THOUGHT I had swapped a 350 4bbl.
and TH400 into, finally replacing the rubber tranny cooling lines I had
had temporarily with metal ones, and I noticed that on the tail shaft,
there was the marking, "375 TH".  Okay, what have I got here?  Is this a
TH375 and not a 400?  The drain pan is the same shape and size as a 400
judging by the filter kit that I succesfully installed!  Also, the
driveshaft had to be shortened for the swap into the Cutlass, so obviously
the transmission is longer than a TH350!  So what exactly have I got here?
Also, what sorts of "quirks" or problems does this tranny have?  Is it
just a form of the TH400?

Thanks,
Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
'84 Oldmsobile Cutlass Supreme (350 4bbl. TH??? 69k miles)

****What you have IS a longshaft TH375. It's like a longshaft TH400 but it
uses the smaller diameter yoke from the TH350. The only difference is the
output shaft and the tailshaft housing. The rest of the internals are the
same as a TH400. I've seen 2 1972 Vista Cruisers with 350 2v and TH375s. The
TH375 is also often swapped into big cars as a direct replacement for dead
longshaft TH350s. (Not to be confused with the shortshaft TH350s in
Cutlasses).

John Pajak

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:05:06 -0400
Subject: Re: transmission question

  I could be completely wrong on this, but anyway -- I think TH400 is the
designation for the short tailshaft type TH400 and TH375 is the long
tailshaft designation for the TH400.  It seems that the short shaft TH400 was
used in the Cutlass, Chevelle, and Skylark type GM cars and the long shaft
Th400 was used in the big cars like the Delta 88, Impala, and the Electra 225
type cars.
  Youv'e got a Th400 in all respects as far as i know.

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:10:26 -0400
Subject: Re: 84 Hurst 307 For Sale...

Is that price on the '84 Hurst/Olds really "five hundred" dollars, or is
it supposed to be "five thousand" dollars?

Jim

1990 W-40

On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Tom Millard wrote:

> In one of the recent National Dragster's, there is an 84 Hurst Olds 307
> HO for sale.  It is listed as 'complete, carb to pan, 60K miles' $500.
> 1 (215) 441-8730 PA.
>
>
> I thought some of you guys mighy be interested in this....
>
> Tom Millard OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net (FORMERLY OLDSPWR@aol.com)
> 79 Cutlass - Street/Strip/Show
> 86 442 - Summer Driver
> 79 Cutlass - Winter Bomb
> "Faithful to the Rocket Division"
>
>

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From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:28:23 -0400
Subject: Transmission Question

Ok, I looked in my GM AutoTrans book, it list the TH-375 as being the
"Heavy Duty" version of the TH-350. The one I was think of was the
TH-350C. The book I have does not cover rebuilding this transmission, so
I cannot say what "guts" it has, 350 or 400. Listening to what have to
say I would think it was a 400, but the book seems to indicate that it
is a 350.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 11:30:02 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: 84 Hurst 307 For Sale...

     I think that's just the engine, not the whole car.  If it were
     anywhere near me, I'd probably go for it as a second engine to rebuild
     while I keep the original in the car is appealing.


______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: 84 Hurst 307 For Sale...
Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    2/18/97 3:23 PM


Is that price on the '84 Hurst/Olds really "five hundred" dollars, or is
it supposed to be "five thousand" dollars?


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From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:29:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold &
Question)

At 11:52 2/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 09:08 AM 2/18/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>The cutoff plate was available from Oldsmobile. Don't be upset with me if it
 >>still isn't. If not still available from Olds, you might try one of the
many >>parts vendors, Fusick, Year One, etc. > >Thanks, Art! Has anyone else
on the list ever ordered one of these parts? >Any part #'s from the GM parts
book for these?

   A couple years ago I blew one out of my 350ci. and instead of finding a
replacement I took a softplug (don't remember the size off hand) inverted it
and tapped it up into the manifold then welded it in place. It worked great.

Glenn
'69 4-4-2

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:35:02 -0400
Subject: First V8?

What car manufactuer was the first to introduce a successful V8?  When
was this?
Thanks
Brad

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:33:51 -0400
Subject: Spline # (and other diff related questions)

What is the number of splines on an Olds '70 12 bolt rear end?
When someone refers to a 9" rear end, what is 9"?
Does anyone make an aftermarket posi/limited slip/anti-spin unit for an
Olds '70 12 bolt?
I have heard an Olds 12 bolt is not really 12 bolts, but 10.  How is
this?
Thanks
Brad
'70 442

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:46:01 -0400
Subject: Motor mounts

I ordered a motor mount from Year One for $28 for my '70 442.  This was
the first time I have ever been disappointed in the quality of one of
their products.  The rubber that holds the two metal plates together was
seperating from the metal plates.  I could just send it back and get
another, but insted I decided to take this one and compare it to others
at auto parts stores.
	At Grand Auto, the motor mount is exactally the same.  Same
manufacturer, same part number.  Not a defect.  $11.99
	At Kragen, the motor mount is clost to the same.  same general shape
and it looks like it would fit fine.  It acutally looks better than the
one from Year One.  Different maker.  Same part number.  $8.95
	Just letting you guys know what is out there other than Year One.  Now
let's see if they sell an anti spin unit...
Brad
'70 442

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From: Dave Paulison <dpauliso@gate.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 19:51:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Car Models

At 10:09 AM 2/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Recently I have become absorbed by car models, it is too cold to work on the
>real thing in NJ this time of year.  I have run into a very familiar problem,
 >however,  I'm tired of doing Fords and Chevys.  Does anyone know of a
company >that has Oldsmobile models? I'll take any year Rocket to start and
work from >there.

I have a '69 H/O and a '69 442 W-30 made by ERTL, and a '70 442 made by
Monogram (I think...)

- --
Dave Paulison                  1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Melbourne, Florida             1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@gate.net

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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:15:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Spline # (and other diff related questions)

>What is the number of splines on an Olds '70 12 bolt rear end?
>When someone refers to a 9" rear end, what is 9"?

They are probably refering to a Ford 9" rear end. These are always in
demand because many of them could handle a big dose of Torque. The other
reason is that they splined the ends of the axles uniformly from the end on
in a good ways. This meant you could shorten the axles without having to
re-spline the axles. Many (all?) GM axles have a tapered spline, so when
cut, you had to re-spline the ends. This all came about when BIG FAT tires
were put under hotrods that could not accomadate them without having the
axles shortened.

It is my limited understanding that you will not find a Ford 9" for this
purpose in the junkyard. They have all been scavanged. The ones left have
problems that I can't remember (but if there is interest, I can find out).

You can buy new "Ford" 9" from OEM manufacturers that cater to this "need"
to have a 9" rear end. They will run about $2K if memory serves me...

I'll let those who know more elucidate...

>Does anyone make an aftermarket posi/limited slip/anti-spin unit for an
>Olds '70 12 bolt?
>I have heard an Olds 12 bolt is not really 12 bolts, but 10.  How is
>this?
>Thanks
>Brad
>'70 442

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* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:09:28 -0400
Subject: Re: 1976 oldsmobile delta 88 royale

>ANNA HEBROWSKA wrote:
>>
>> I have a 1976 oldsmobile delta 88 with 70,000 miles in a
>>  very good condition. Any idea what it may be worth?
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Mixo@gnn.com

I've got an Old Cars Price Guide that's about a year old (but I can't
believe the price for something like this changes very drastically very
quickly).  You don't say if it's a two-door or a four-door or whether it's
a Royale or a "plain" Delta 88, but for either trim line, the highest value
is for the 4-door hardtop, as opposed to the 4-door sedan or 2-door sedan.
For a car in #3 condition, values range from about $1400 to about $1700,
depending on body style and Royale or not.  If yours is in #4 condition,
the value drops to the $700 to $800 range.  #3 condition means that, from
about 20 feet away, the car looks brand new.  Any closer and you can see
the scratches, dings, etc. that tell you that it's not.  #4 means that it
looks used (faded paint, a bit of rust here and there, oxidized bumpers).
I'm going to guess that your car is between #3 and #4 condition, and
predict that it's worth around $1000 to $1200.  Of course, it ALL really
depends on what someone is willing to pay you for it!

------------------------------

From: OldsDr@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:12:19 -0400
Subject: Re: First V8?

Not sure who had the first V-8 ever, but Olds had the first OHV(rocket) V-8
in 1949.

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:16:10 -0400
Subject: Re: #Oldsmobile on DALnet

7:00 central works for me on Tuesdays.  What about Wen, so we can
accomodate Dave?  I be there this Tuesday at 7:00.

- -Dan
>
> ----------
>
> Sorry about that, wasn't thinking, totally oblivious to the rest of the
> world.  You did know the world does revolve around me didn't you.(j/k)
>
> How about after 7:00 central time, I'm in Wisconsin.

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From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:29:56 -0400
Subject: Re: '88 rear ends

On Tue, 18 Feb 1997, Bob Valentine wrote:

>    The basic chassis was the same from about '78 to '88.   You can pull a
> rear from any B-body car - the mounting brackets are the same, but the
> cars WITHOUT the HD suspension won't have the 1/2" wheel studs.
>
>    Cad's, police-package Caprice's and Olds 98's will all have the rear
> you're looking for.   All the wagons (I think) came with the 1/2" studs.

The B-car chassis was essentially the same from '77-'96.  Some full-size
cars in the Eighties came with 7.5" ring gears despite having the larger
brakes and 5" wheel bolt pattern.  This is true on most '82-'90 Cadillacs.
My '83 Delta 88 has a 7.5" rear end, but uses the regular brakes and has
the smaller 4.75" bolt pattern.  I've seen an '81 Olds 98 with a 7.5"
rear end, but with HD brakes.  On the other hand, my Uncle's '88 Caprice
has an 8.5" rear end, with the regular non-HD brakes.  9C1 Caprices
(police cars) all have the 8.5" rear end; the only reason my Uncle's has
the larger ring gear was because this car has the F41 suspension.

Kevin Wong

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:44:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Parts Cars 68 post doors

At 11:14 PM 2/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I would like to find out if they are in perfect shape including the bottoms
>must be in good cond. with no rust developing in the corners or underneath at
>at the seams.
>If they are this good I will take them no matter the cost of shipping.
>I live in N.Y.C.
>Thank You
>Anthony B.
>Oldsnut1


Anthony

        Let me go back out to the yard later this week and check the doors
out. I don't know what they will want for the doors.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442>

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:44:51 -0400
Subject: Re: 350 Exhaust Manifolds

At 04:50 PM 2/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>     Can anybody shed light on the W31 exhaust manifold mystery ? Did the 70
>W31 use the same manifolds as the other 350s in 70 ???
>
>John Pajak     "DR. OLDS"
>Lexington Park, MD
>Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL
>
>65 Delta 88
>66 Toronado
>69 Cutlass S
>70 Cutlass S W31
>70 442 W30 convert
>72 442 W30 convert
>72 Delta 88 convert
>+ others
>
Yes ALL 68-72 350's used the same exhaust manifolds. Only the Big Block cars
had different manifolds between the dual and single exhaust cars. There
wasn't a separate one for the W-31's. I do not know how much longer after 72
they used these manifolds. There was a slight change in the mid to late 70's.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:44:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

At 12:07 AM 2/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hey Jim,
>    I'm also looking for a disc brake changeover setup for my 71 cutlass in
>addition to a guage set.  Any links??
>
>                                          Mark Heiser  490-8652


Mark,

        Go out to Virginia Auto Parts or O'Malley's Auto Parts in Suffolk,
they have a load of A-bodys with disc brakes on them. I couldn't give you a
price on what these guys might try to chare you. I wouldn' go over about
$150-175 for everything you need. These places are right out Hwy 58 past the
airport giong to Suffolk. Hell there local and you wouldn't have to pay any
shipping from someone else. Hope this helps.

Jim

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From: Hulst1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:51:02 -0400
Subject: looking for a console

I'm looking for someone who has a decent console and shifter for a 70
cutlass.
Also need bumpers, Ram hood, posi unit.

thanks

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:01:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Dual-exhaust exhaust cap (was re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold
&Question)

In a message dated 97-02-18 12:10:58 EST, you write:

> > Thanks, Art! Has anyone else on the list ever ordered one of these parts?
>  > Any part #'s from the GM parts book for these?
>  > _______________________________________________________
>  > Dr. Robert Barry
>
>  The part is called "Cap, Right Exhaust Manifold Cover", used from
>  1965-1971.  Part number 386498.  I think I tried to get one of these from
a
>  GM dealership a few years back without any luck, but I don't think they
>  looked beyond their stock on hand.  Let us know what you find ...
>
>  Graham Stewart

I purchased two of these from my Oldsmobile dealer on 7/8/92.  Sorry, they
have both been installed.  My parts invoice simply describes this as a
"cover".  Part # 382636 (group # 3602?).  List at the time was $6.85.  382636
is the part # listed in the '72 assembly manual as a "cap - N10 only".  N10
was the dual exhaust code.    My parts people hate it when I know the part
#s!  I will check with my parts people on Wednesday and see if it is still
available.  Will report the results Wed. evening.  But don't be afraid to
call your favorite dealer on your own today to get one.  These were still
listed in the GM parts and accessories schedule as of 10-1-93.  List at that
time was $9.14.  This part is used by Chevrolet, Oldsmobile and GMC Truck.
 386498 isn't even on the schedule, which means it's long gone.

Paul

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:01:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Build Sheet - Found!

In a message dated 97-02-18 14:17:07 EST, you write:

> The VIN for 1680 is
>  >548W9572 and the VIN for 1681 is 548W9576.  The factory snuck (sneaked?)
>  >three other cars in between those two 88s.  Who knows what the body
numbers
>  >were for those.
>  >
>  >Paul
>  >
>  >
>  Body number is the sequential (serial number) number of the body.  EACH
>  STYLE OF BODY had it's own body number sequence STARTING AT '1'.  The VIN
is
>  the production sequence number at each plant.

OK, I understand this.  So the three cars in between these two Holiday
Coupes, let's say one is a convertible and the other two are sedans.  Because
the sedans were the more popular body style, they would have potentially
higher body number limits than Holidays, right?  So while the Holidays were
around the 1680 mark, the sedans could have been around the 2500 mark.  The
convertible would be the opposite because of the lower production, and,
conversely, the body number might only be 1100.  So it's possible that the
Cutlass Convertible in question could have been the car before or after our
friend's coupe, right?  I don't remember the body numbers anymore...

Paul

------------------------------

From: Escape442@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:02:39 -0400
Subject: Re: The Meaning of 442

In a message dated 97-02-18 11:15:26 EST, you write:

>I've been using "Four-Four-Two" and "Four Forty Two" interchangably
>since I bought my first one in 1968 and you're the first person to
>complain.  I also sometimes use "Olds" when I really mean
>"Oldsmobile", but I don't suppose that you do that either.  Sorry
>that you're so sensitive on this issue.  Would you rather that I go
>somewhere else and start saying "Zed-Two-Eight" instead?
>
>          ---
> ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------

Tom, I am not being sensitive, you are!  If you want to propagate ignorance
and say "Four- Forty- Two", that is your prerogative.  Perhaps, you would
like to explain how the 4 speed transmission translates to forty?  I am one
of those few people who believe in trying to master the  English Language and
speak it as well as it should be.  I am not perfect, however I try to
constantly improve my communication skills.  Ed   Escape442@aol.com    ( the
dictionary is the assembly manual of the English Language )

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 21:58:04 -0400
Subject: Re: First V8?

 i think it was Cadillac back in the late teens and early 20's

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From: Patrick Derkacz <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:10:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Parts Cars

James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
> At 08:10 PM 2/17/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >I am looking for a wheel opening moulding for the drivers side rear of
> >my '69 442 convertible.  Did either of these cars have it in good
> >shape?  I appreciate your help.
> >
> >Patrickd@wwnet.com
> >1969 442 convertible
>
> Patrick
>
>         Yes they wer in real good shape. Are you looking for a show car part
> or a nice one for a nice driver?
>
> Jim Chermack
> 70 Cutlass SX W-32
> 72 442
Actually, I could use this trim for all 4 wheel openings as it seems the
previous owner had an affinity for prying things.  Contrary to what i
thought the worst piece is the passenger side front, (I went outside and
checked.)with the drivers side front coming in a close second. I am
looking for non show but good looking pieces.(I don't have the time,
money or inclination to build a "show" car, besides I want to drive
it!!!)
Let me know if these are available and how much they might cost.

ps I live in Michigan

Patrickd@wwnet.com
1969 442 convertible

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From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:22:43 -0400
Subject: Re: First V8?

Olds had a V8 in about a 1919 or so. The engine was two cast pieces put
together to make a V8. A guy drove one from LA to our zone meet in
Cambria.  He parked it next to Mondellos '72 Twister II what a
contrast especially at the burnout contest!!!!!!!!

On Tue, 18 Feb 1997 OldsDr@aol.com wrote:

> Not sure who had the first V-8 ever, but Olds had the first OHV(rocket) V-8
> in 1949.
>
>

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From: Patrick Derkacz <patrickd@wwnet.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:30:02 -0400
Subject: 4 spd back up light switch

I posted this several weeks ago right before I changed providers and was
off the list for awhile, so I apologize if this was answered before,
but  I still need the answer.

My '69 442 convertible has a 4 speed trans.  The previous owner
evidently had the transmission out and never bothered to replace the
back up light switch mechanism. My service manual only talks about
automatic trans back up light switches.  So, could someone tell me what
this setup looks like, how it is installed and where I might find one.

thanks in advance
patrickd@wwnet.com f.k.a spencergrant
1969 442 4speed convertible

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From: GIFFORD DARRELL L <GIF0169@cup.edu>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:37:01 -0400
Subject: [none]

subscribe oldsmobile-digest

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:42:52 -0400
Subject: Re: New issue of MCR

The 70 W-30 placed 2nd (to a Ch*v*ll* SS) as the all time favorite
muscle car and the 69 H/O placed 9th.

- -Dan

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From: "Tracy McKee" <mckeet@discover-net.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:49:40 -0400
Subject: #Oldsmobile--on Dal.net

Well, tuesday february 18th was the first meeting of #Oldsmobile on DALnet.
 Everything went smoothly, no flats or major mechanical breakdowns.  Thank
you to Greg, Dan, Jason, and Brian for stopping, the door prizes will be
delivered shortly and the dancing girls said they just might return if
Jason promises to leave the C*m*ro at home.  Membership dues for the late
comers that weren't there tonight can be sent directly to any of the
gentlemen mentioned above or myself.  Thank you.

For anyone else interested in joining in on the fun we will try to get
together on wednesday nights after 7:00 (central).  That night seemed to
work for all the participants and would work better for some others on the
list.  Any questions or concerns can be mailed to me and I will try to give
you a serious answer.

Tracy McKee
75 Cutlass Supreme
mckeet@discover-net.net

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From: Tom Millard <OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 22:58:55 -0400
Subject: Re: 84 Hurst 307 For Sale...

Sorry for the confusion, but I was talking about the engine (carb to
pan) that was for sale for 5 hundred.

Tom Millard OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net (FORMERLY OLDSPWR@aol.com)
79 Cutlass - Street/Strip/Show
86 442 - Summer Driver
79 Cutlass - Winter Bomb
"Faithful to the Rocket Division"

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From: Tom Millard <OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:04:48 -0400
Subject: Nitrous on 84 Hurst...

I just received NOS's latest full line catalog today.  I am planning on
putting either a Powershot or Super Powershot on my 403 in my 79
Cutlass.

Under the Super Powershot page, they list a few examples, including the
following:
"1984 Olds Hurst, 307 CID - Before 14.9 @ 94.4, After 12.8 @ 104.4"

It doesn't say what horsepower jets they used (either 100,125, or 150),
but that's pretty good for a small shot of juice!!!

Thought some of you guys might be interested in this...
Tom Millard OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net (FORMERLY OLDSPWR@aol.com)
79 Cutlass - Street/Strip/Show
86 442 - Summer Driver
79 Cutlass - Winter Bomb
"Faithful to the Rocket Division"

------------------------------

From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:14:24 -0400
Subject: Re: First V8?

>  i think it was Cadillac back in the late teens and early 20's

Almost!  Cadillac introduced the first successful V8 in September 1914.

Kevin Wong

------------------------------

From: RUSSELL KIRK PRENOT <rkp@luminet.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:16:22 -0400
Subject: Re: transmission question

John M. Barnes wrote:
>
> Shang wrote:
> >
> > Clayton Pierce wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > I was underneath my '84 Cutlass that I THOUGHT I had swapped a 350 4bbl.
> > > and TH400 into, finally replacing the rubber tranny cooling lines I had
> > > had temporarily with metal ones, and I noticed that on the tail shaft,
> > > there was the marking, "375 TH".  Okay, what have I got here?  Is this a
> > > TH375 and not a 400?  The drain pan is the same shape and size as a 400
> > > judging by the filter kit that I succesfully installed!  Also, the
> > > driveshaft had to be shortened for the swap into the Cutlass, so
obviously > > > the transmission is longer than a TH350!  So what exactly have
I got here? > > > Also, what sorts of "quirks" or problems does this tranny
have?  Is it > > > just a form of the TH400? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Peace,
Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling, > > > Clayton Pierce, > > >
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu > > > '84 Oldmsobile Cutlass Supreme (350 4bbl.
TH??? 69k miles) > > > > Hey I am at work so I am just pulling from memory. I
think the TH-375 is > > a lockup version of the 400, meaning it has a lockup
torque converter. I > > have never seen one myself, but I had a friend who had
an '82 Delta 88 > > that had a lockup version of a TH-350. I know I have a
book at home that > > will tell me exactly what the 375 is, so I'll look it up
when I get > > home. > > > > Stephen Hoover > > Dallas, Texas > > '70 Cutlass
"S" please remove me from mailing list asap> >  The 375 has the guts of a
T400 with the output shaft of a T350. It was > used in B I G cars and it
effectively shortened the drive shaft. I used > one for a while in a 69
cutlass and it worked fine, I think it's plenty > strong enough. > > John

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From: RUSSELL KIRK PRENOT <rkp@luminet.net>
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 23:33:14 -0400
Subject: cancel

PLEASE ASAP REMOVE ME FROM MAILING LIST ASAP ASAP

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 00:05:49 -0400
Subject: Junkyard '72 CS Found...

	Hey guys!
Yesterday I was out scrounging around one of the local salvage yards for a
decent header pannel for an '82 Buick Century I'm fixing up to sell, when
I found a '72 (I'm almost positive thats what year it is) CS hardtop.  It
looks pretty obvious that it was a project that somebody gave up on and
sold to the junkyard (the interior is gutted, and there are small parts
in ziplocks in the trunk).
	
	Anyway, the car is black/black, looks like a 350/2bbl (the intake
and one of the heads are in the trunk).  I seem to recall it having #6
heads (transplant maybe?).  Body pannels look pretty stright/rust free,
and the emblems are all still there.  The bumpers look decent too.  The
grills are cracked in a couple places, but don't look too bad.  No ralley
pack, but it does have a good console/floor shifter.  The console is black
and I did'nt see any cracks but the trim plate that goes on the top was
missing (it could have been hidden by some of the stuff stacked inside.
The chrome shifter was in the trunk and looked ok.  the rest of the floor
shifter stuff was still there, but it looked like it may need some repair.
It also had a complete set of Super Stock wheels (sorry guys, I'm still
foggy on how you tell the different series apart) they were painted grey
and all had the center caps and trim rings.  The wheels looked like they
were in really nice shape, and just taking a quick look at the trim rings,
I did'nt see a scratch on them.  If this car were a 442, I'd seriously
think about trying to buy the whole thing,--it looks pretty complete, just
half taken apart.  But then again, I already have too many projects...

	If anybody is interested in any of this stuff, let me know and
I'll get a price for you.  I could UPS it anywhere, but the car is located
in Missoula, Montana. There are also most of the little interior
parts and chrome bits in the trunk (saves me the trouble of removing
them!)


				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

	P.S.--If anybody knows where I could find a decent white header
pannel for that '82 Buick Century let me know...the only half decent
looking  one I found out there was cracked in half.  The rest were either
gone or the victim of a severe head-on.  Thanks.

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From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 00:12:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Nitrous on 84 Hurst...

>I just received NOS's latest full line catalog today.  I am planning on
>putting either a Powershot or Super Powershot on my 403 in my 79
>Cutlass.
>
>Under the Super Powershot page, they list a few examples, including the
>following:
>"1984 Olds Hurst, 307 CID - Before 14.9 @ 94.4, After 12.8 @ 104.4"
>
>It doesn't say what horsepower jets they used (either 100,125, or 150),
>but that's pretty good for a small shot of juice!!!
>
Okay, here we go again with "real" quarter-mile times....perhaps somewhere
there exists a stock 1984 H/O that will run 14.94/94.4 with a 180hp? smog
307 that I've never seen or heard about, or.......it's a bogus time.  I'm
not sure what those cars weigh, but maybe someone with a trap speed/weight
formula could calculate what the car would have to weigh to run 94mph on 180
ponies.
Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 00:15:58 -0400
Subject: Re: #Oldsmobile--on Dal.net

>
>Tracy McKee
>75 Cutlass Supreme
>mckeet@discover-net.net
>
>
For those of us who have no idea of what to do or how to get there (like
me)..could you tell us what is required to get to/participate in this?

Thanks.
Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 00:22:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Detroit Autorama followup

In a message dated 97-02-18 17:15:25 EST, you write:

<< Mark, I was there Friday night. I saw your 71 W-30, very nice car. I
didn't
 see anyone by the car when I was there or else I would of said hi.

 I saw that orange 70 W-30, I thought the guy went to far with the orange
 paint. Isn't orange the color for Ch*vys????? He should of left it big
 block
 blue.

 There was another one I liked, did you see the dark teal 70 Cutlass S it
 was a row or to over from yours. I thought that was a sharp car with the
 dark teal color.

 Glad to see some Rockets took home some awards.

 John Richmond
 Warren, MI
 richmond@tir.com >>
Thanks John, I was trying to be there at all times but it is almost
impossible.
As for the Orange 70, its a fake w car.  can you believe the guy painted the
tops of
red fender wells.  They are real, but he sprayed them orange on top and left
the red on the bottom.  Whats with the Queen picture.  Its from Queen rules
the World album.  The owner is somewhat luney unfortunately.

The dark green was from Canada, Windsor that is, real nice car and good guy
that owns it.  email me your phone number John and maybe we will hook up for
the next Street Rocket car meeting.

W MACHINES
72 442 W-30

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 00:50:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Nitrous on 84 Hurst...

At 11:04 PM 2/18/97 -0400, Tom Millard wrote:
>I just received NOS's latest full line catalog today.  I am planning on
>putting either a Powershot or Super Powershot on my 403 in my 79
>Cutlass.
>
>Under the Super Powershot page, they list a few examples, including the
>following:
>"1984 Olds Hurst, 307 CID - Before 14.9 @ 94.4, After 12.8 @ 104.4"
>
>It doesn't say what horsepower jets they used (either 100,125, or 150),
>but that's pretty good for a small shot of juice!!!

Wow that is good. I wonder if that was on a totally stock car? I doubt it
because it is hard to believe that a stock  84 Hurst Olds could pull 1/4
times like that. I have been thinking of putting NOS on my 80 442 for some
fun. I figure low to mid 13 sec times with the 125 system, but I am worried
about that type of stress on a 92,000 mile 100% original engine.
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Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28.........http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30..http://www.442.com/labay.html

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:08:29 -0400
Subject: Re: First V8?: Kevin Wong

 I knew it was somewhere in that era -- i have an old article on the engine
but i haven't read it in about 10 years

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 1997 16:16:09 -0400
Subject: Re: transmission question

>Hello all,
>
>I was underneath my '84 Cutlass that I THOUGHT I had swapped a 350 4bbl.
>and TH400 into, finally replacing the rubber tranny cooling lines I had
>had temporarily with metal ones, and I noticed that on the tail shaft,
>there was the marking, "375 TH".
Yeah, my VC had one of thoes.  I don't remember what the difference between
the 400 and 375 was but I know that any internals from a 400 will work in a
375.  Mine was pretty tough but was done in by an inadequate cooling system
and the seals inside cooked and got brittle.  But if you keep it cool it
oughta be bulletproof.  Mine even survived a slam into reverse at 30mph when
I accidentally missed drive and bounced the shifter into R from L.  Luckily
at the time I had let off the gas after a quick sprint up to the speed
limit. The trans didn't seem any worse off  after that little incident.  I
though for sure at the time that I had broken something. I do seem to recall
replaceing U-joints not long after that.

One other thing.  Do you think you might have a switch-pitch converter in
that thing?  I kinda think mine did.  Once mine reached cruising speed in
high the revs would suddenly drop a couple of hundred RPM.  When I pushed
the pedal down partway, the engine sounded like it would downshift because
the rpms sorta stepped up like it was hitting passing gear.  But If I pushed
the pedal the rest of the way down, the trans would then go into passing
gear.  This happend at speeds as high as 65 mph, so it wasn't as if the car
was shifting into second and then into low.  The converter stalled at
someting on the order of 2800-3000 rpm.  I originally suspcted a
switch-pitch converter but I'm not sure now since it doesn't seem there was
any made in `72. Maybe the converter I had was balloned, either way the car
didn't drive like any other when it had that transmission.  The 'ol 375 now
resides in the back seat of a vega awaiting a rebuild and a good project car
to put it in.


Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:29:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Spline # (and other diff related questions)

At 09:15 PM 2/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>What is the number of splines on an Olds '70 12 bolt rear end?
>>When someone refers to a 9" rear end, what is 9"?
>
>They are probably refering to a Ford 9" rear end. These are always in
>demand because many of them could handle a big dose of Torque. The other
>reason is that they splined the ends of the axles uniformly from the end on
>in a good ways. This meant you could shorten the axles without having to
>re-spline the axles. Many (all?) GM axles have a tapered spline, so when
>cut, you had to re-spline the ends. This all came about when BIG FAT tires
>were put under hotrods that could not accomadate them without having the
>axles shortened.
>
>It is my limited understanding that you will not find a Ford 9" for this
>purpose in the junkyard. They have all been scavanged. The ones left have
>problems that I can't remember (but if there is interest, I can find out).
>
>You can buy new "Ford" 9" from OEM manufacturers that cater to this "need"
>to have a 9" rear end. They will run about $2K if memory serves me...
>
>I'll let those who know more elucidate...
>
>>Does anyone make an aftermarket posi/limited slip/anti-spin unit for an
>>Olds '70 12 bolt?
>>I have heard an Olds 12 bolt is not really 12 bolts, but 10.  How is
>>this?
>>Thanks
>>Brad
>>'70 442
>
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>* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
>*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
>* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
>*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
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>
>
>

Not all the 9" Fords are gone from the Junque Yardes, they're still fairly
plentiful.  Look under full size pickups too.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:30:29 -0400
Subject: Re: First V8?

At 09:12 PM 2/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Not sure who had the first V-8 ever, but Olds had the first OHV(rocket) V-8
>in 1949.
>
>

Olds had its first V8 by 1916.  It may not have been a rocket, but it was a
V8.

The Wiz

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From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:33:57 -0400
Subject: Spline # (and other diff related questions) again

Brad Bowles wrote:

> What is the NUMBERR of splines on an Olds '70 12 bolt rear end?
> When someone refers to a 9"  Ford rear end, what part is 9"?
> Does anyone make an aftermarket posi/limited slip/anti-spin unit for an
> Olds '70 12 bolt?
> I have heard an Olds 12 bolt is not really 12 bolts, but 10.  How is
> this?
> Thanks
> Brad
> '70 442

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:41:05 -0400
Subject: Re: First V8?

At 11:14 PM 2/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>  i think it was Cadillac back in the late teens and early 20's
>
>Almost!  Cadillac introduced the first successful V8 in September 1914.
>
>Kevin Wong
>
>
>
Kevin,

Cadillac was my best guess too, but Cole is certainly an early contender.

Got my Camshaft today.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:36:56 -0400
Subject: Re: The Meaning of 442

At 10:02 PM 2/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-02-18 11:15:26 EST, you write:
>
>>I've been using "Four-Four-Two" and "Four Forty Two" interchangably
>>since I bought my first one in 1968 and you're the first person to
>>complain.  I also sometimes use "Olds" when I really mean
>>"Oldsmobile", but I don't suppose that you do that either.  Sorry
>>that you're so sensitive on this issue.  Would you rather that I go
>>somewhere else and start saying "Zed-Two-Eight" instead?
>>
>>          ---
>> ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
>
>Tom, I am not being sensitive, you are!  If you want to propagate ignorance
>and say "Four- Forty- Two", that is your prerogative.  Perhaps, you would
>like to explain how the 4 speed transmission translates to forty?  I am one
>of those few people who believe in trying to master the  English Language and
>speak it as well as it should be.  I am not perfect, however I try to
>constantly improve my communication skills.  Ed   Escape442@aol.com    ( the
>dictionary is the assembly manual of the English Language )
>
>
Ed right you are.  The model reference is 4-4-2, not 442, and eminates from
4 barrel, 4 speed, dual exhausts.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 01:47:24 -0400
Subject: Early V8s

With the who was the earliest successful V8 on the market, thread.  I have
some V8 curiosities myself, and I don't know; but would like to know the
answers.

Did the Cadillac use fork and spade connecting rods?

Did the Olds ca. 1916 use fork and spade rods?

What V8 was the first successful one to use a one piece block casting?

What V8 was the last to use fork and spade rods.

The Wiz

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From: "Marvin Friesen" <gowest@direct.ca>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 03:53:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Car Models

'69 442 (ERTL) readily available in Canada. Bought one last week for $10.99
CDN + tax.
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> At 10:09 AM 2/18/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Recently I have become absorbed by car models, it is too cold to work on
the
> >real thing in NJ this time of year.  I have run into a very familiar
problem,
> >however,  I'm tired of doing Fords and Chevys.  Does anyone know of a
company
> >that has Oldsmobile models? I'll take any year Rocket to start and work
from
> >there.

1976 Cutlass S (1st owner)
1976 Cutlass S (2nd owner)
1983 Delta 88  (1st owner)

Marvin Friesen
Vancouver, BC, Canada

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From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 1997 04:01:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Early V8s

The Wiz wrote:

> Did the Cadillac use fork and spade connecting rods?

My book indicates they used fork and blade connecting rods with
nonstaggered cylinder blocks.  How do these early style rods differ from
later ones?  What engineering limitation assured their demise?

Kevin Wong

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