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oldsmobile-digest        Saturday, 15 February 1997     Volume 01 : Number 519

Re: Build Sheet - Found!
WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold & Question
Re: The Meaning of 442
Re: W41 vs VTEC
Re: Quad 442
Re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold & Question
Re: W41 vs VTEC
Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
To Tom Millard - Thanks... guages installed finally...
'69 H/O info
Re: Build Sheet - Found!
Re: Build Sheet - Found!
amakk
amakk
Re: The Meaning of 442
Re: The Meaning of 442
Re: amakk
Re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold & Question
Re: W41 vs VTEC
Re: amakk
Olds in Action
Re: Build Sheet - Found!
Re: amakk
Re: Replacement Muffler
Re: Re[2]: GM Performance Catalogue
#Oldsmobile on DALnet
Price for a found '70 W30
Re: Sandwich Man (was Re: Point Sytems/Carlisle)
Re: The Meaning of 442
Re: Rating Systems
Re: Quad442/Mantapart
Re: Rating Systems
Re: Re[2]: GM Performance Catalogue
Re: Price for a found '70 W30
Re: Price for a found '70 W30
Re: Rating Systems
Re: Quad442/Mantapart
Re:  442 Heads
Re[2]: Rating Systems
74 Toro
Re: 74 Toro
Re: Quad 442
Re: W41 vs VTEC
Forwarding Question: Need 425 & 455 info

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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 21:31:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Build Sheet - Found!

>>The body number on my trim tag (on the cowl) is 370791 and the
>>sticker on the door jam says the car was built 02-70 so, assuming these
>>two body numbers should match, it would appear that I have the build
>>sheet for a car that was built a couple thousand units _later_ !
>>
>>I also found some pieces of broken safety glass under the seat on
>>the passengers side.  Looks like the passenger window was broken
>>out sometime in the past.  Hmmm.
>
>Ah, well, perhaps your car was broadsided in the past, and they
>welded in a portion of floor from a donor car built after yours,
>and its build sheet came along for the ride. Encouraging thought,
>no doubt... :-)

Or maybe nobody looks at those sheets. They could have been randomly
generated..

"Hey Joe! This car doesn't have a build sheet! Gotta extra one!?"


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 20:20:53 -0400
Subject: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold & Question

A friend asked me to post a parts request here but it has led to a
question. He has a '72 Supreme with a 350, and is looking for a dual
exhaust type right exhaust manifold, the kind without the inlet for a
crossover pipe. I figured I'd look up the part number before posting the
question, but when I did I found only one listing for all 350 right-side
x-mans.

Is there such a piece designed expressly for duals? Or did they all come
with the crossover inlet that was just blocked off when duals were used?

If there is such a manifold and anyone has them, drop me a note. Heck, I
might be interested in one for my Cutlass also.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 00:15:57 -0400
Subject: Re: The Meaning of 442

Thw Wiz borrowed:
>
> > >> And today it means:
> >>
> >>         four-gotten
> >>         four-lorned
> >> and     two-bad
> >
> >So Mike said:

> >Plagiarist!

Anon Whatever replied:

> I do not necessarily require credit for this little gem, anymore than I
> would for four barrel/four speed/dual exhaust.

YOU don't require credit???

> In as much as this thread will not die, it is certainly appropiate!

That what *I* thought when I first made the comment.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and The Original Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:22:14 -0400
Subject: Re: W41 vs VTEC

I drove a '96 Acura Integra GSR with the VTEC Engine.  It is really
quick, but not quicker than my W-41.  You have to shift at rediculously
high rpms to get any power, and the Quad 4s have more torque.

I don't know what the W-41s top speed is, but the 3.94 gears probably
limit it to about 130-140 mph.  I keep looking for sixth.

The Mitsu turbos are another story.  It's unfair to match a turbo -vs- a
non turbo.  Plus the W-41s are six years old now!  The performance anty
has been raised several times since then.  Even so I've beaten older
Mitsu turbos.

The W-41s RULE the 4 cylinder normally aspirated streets!

Jeff.
	'91 Quad 442 W-41
	'70 442 Conv.

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 09:41:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Quad 442

James William Townsend wrote:
>
>    I have a 1990 Quad442 and I think it's a great car in every way.  Do
> you know how of any ideas to squeeze more power out of the motor?  I know
> that a better intake/exhaust setup and a different computer chip would
> really wake the little motor up.  Do you know of anyone who makes a better
> shifter for the 5-speed? Also, how does your W-41 stack up against such
> things as turbo Mitsubishis, VTEC Hondas, etc.
>

>From talking to the guys at Mantapart, (a Quad 4 racing speed shop!)
There are all kinds of things you can do.  Intake, exhaust, cams, chips,
port & polish etc.  But there expensive.  The W-41s have different cams,
exhaust, tranny gears, and a 3.94 differential.  I believe thats what
makes most of the difference.  I've allready added a cat back exhaust
and K&N filter from Summit.

I would kill for a better shifter!  Let me know if you find one.  Let me
know if you need Mantapart's number too.

Jeff.
	'91 Quad 442 W-41
	'70 442 Conv.

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 22:00:20 -0400
Subject: Re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold & Question

Greg,
The 350 exhaust manifold used a cover plate for dual exhausts. There is no
"dual exhaust manifold". Sorry.

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 22:59:20 -0400
Subject: Re: W41 vs VTEC

At 06:40 AM 2/14/97 -0400, Greg Pruett wrote:

>Prolly wouldn't have to chop anything.  Just make sure the motor can hold
>together and give it a nice tall gear.  My wagon with the 3.08 rearend and
>overdrive tops out at 200 MPH@5000 rpm on paper.  Ha! Don't I wish.  Maybe I
>could put in a 2.41 rearend and set the land speed record for a station
>wagon.  :))  Somehow I doubt my 200hp engine and driveshaft are up to the
>task.  Even if I could afford Z-rated tires. (Which would be pretty funny on
>a station wagon.)  Allthough I would bet good money on 150mph.  Hell, it was
>just cruising at 110.  (Engine spinning a serene 2800 rpm! Honest!)

Maybe we can talk Car Craft into making this their next project car:)
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28.........http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30..http://www.442.com/labay.html

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 23:03:54 -0400
Subject: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

The following is a list of Olds parts for sale.

64 Cutlass/442
grille assm     $75.00
RH headlight door    $25.00
F. bumper core    $75.00
RH tail lens    $5.00ea
LH tail lens    $5.00ea
Tail light bezels (used) $15.00 ea
Steering wheel center   $10.00

66 Cutlass/442
Headlight doors    $45.00pr

67 Cutlass/442
400/425 NOS fuel pump    $50.00
400/425 NOS water pump   $75.00
Headlight doors NOS   $125.00pr (cutlass)

67 Toronado
dash gauge bezel   $55.00
Rear glass    $50.00
Package tray    $25.00

68 Cutlass/442
RH headlight plastic   $100.00ea
Headlight doors    $5.00ea
Trunk chrome molding   $50.00set
Rear bumper core    $65.00 (cutlass)
Rear window moldings   $40.00set

68 Toronado
Headlight vacuum actuator    $50.00
Headlight switch     $10.00
Dash gauges    $10.00ea
F bumper    $75.00
R bumper    $75.00
Turn signal lens   $65.00pr
Radiator top plate   $35.00

69 Cutlass/442
Headlight doors   $50.00pr
Hood tongue   $15.00
Hood hinges   $20.00pr
LH tail light    $20.00
4 row radiator top plate   $75.00
Q-jet 7049250 (rebuilt)   $100.00
Black inner fenders    $80.00pr

70 Cutlass/442
Hood tongue   $20.00ea
Headlight doors   $55.00pr
Hood hinges  $20.00pr
442 post door panels   $40.00pr
Cutlass S grilles   $65.00pr
Rear upper control arms   $75.00pr
Drum brake knuckles and backs (complete)   $85.00
OAI hood pins (nice used)  $30.00pr
455 distributor #1111978 (2nd design)   $25.00
455/425/400  Offenhauser 2-4bbl. low rise intake w/2 carter 550 cfm carbs.
(Complete setup w/ linkage) $350.00
70 Cutlass "S" side moldings (set) $135.00
70 AM/FM mono w/amp $85.00

72 Cutlass/442
72 442 Grilles  $200.00pr
72 Cutlass Supreme side moldings (set) 135.00
Boxed Lower control arms  $60.00pr
Column Shift Tilt (black)   $100.00
Auto Consoles (1 black, 1 blue)   $75.00ea
Dash Pads (A/C car, 2 black)   $125.00ea
Edelbrock Performer Intake (small block)  $100.00
Long Wheel Molding Sets   $125.00set
Tail Light Lens   $15.00ea

Misc: 1986/87  88/98 wire wheel covers   $125.00set

**** New stuff to list****
(1) 64 V-8 Fender Emblem (good used)  $5.00
(1) 65 V-8 Fender Emblem (good used)  $5.00
(2) 67 Deluxe Full Wheel Covers  $15.00ea
68-69 LH Qtr Panel (complete w/outer wheel well) Rust Free  $300.00
(4) 68 Std. Full Wheel Covers  $75.00 set
(1) 69-70 Front Rocket  $10.00
(1) 70 Trunk Lock Rocket (nice)  $10.00
(1) 14x7 HD Steel Wheel  (for dog dish caps) $20.00
(4) 72-74 Deluxe Wheel Covers (nice) $50.00set
68-69 Rear defrost (complete)  $40.00
6 Bladed Clutch fans  $25.00ea
71-72 Rear View mirror (w/light)  $15.00 (nice)
71-72 RH Sport Mirror (non-remote)  $50.00
71-72 LH Sport Mirror (remote)  $50.00 ea
New '72 Main Dash Woodgraining Kit  $20.00
70-72 Power Disc Brake Booster w/ master cyl. $75.00 as is
($135.00 rebuilt & detailed)
New window fuzzies 68-72 Holiday coupe $40.00 set (Flat style)
71-7? 10 Bolt 2.73:1  Anti-Spin rear end   $350.00
70-72 Bumper bracket sets $40.00 set
350 Exhaust manifolds  $60.00pr (nice)
Bottom windshield mouldings  $35.00ea
Rear hood moldings  $35.00ea
14x6 SSIII Wheels (newer snap on cap)  $25.00ea
72 TH-350 trans.   $125.00
69-70 "S" Hood Louvers  $50.00pr
67-68 Toro Tilt/Tele steering column  $75.00
69-70 Front Hood Rocket (Supreme/F-85) not S  $10.00
Remote Hood Lock setup  $125.00

P.S.  We have more parts!

Jim Chermack
'70 Cutlass SX W-32
'72 442
Virginia  Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 23:05:40 -0400
Subject: To Tom Millard - Thanks... guages installed finally...

Was just dropping a note to thank Tom Millard for his great instructions on
removing the "sweep" speedometer, and installing the guage pack in my '81
Cutlass.  It's nice having the stock tach, and my interior is slightly
"cleaner" now (removed add-on tach which was mounted next to the steering
column.  The instruction you sent (Tom) worked great, and I checked them
afterwards by comparing my new connections with the one from the car (yes, I
cut back into the loom of the donor car as far as I could).

I really wasn't planning on doing this, but after I realized that the
"pinched" tach wire (for the add-on, making it unusable) was up in the dash,
and I had to remove the dash anyways...  might as will just bite the bullet
and do it.  It took me only about 2 hours max. to do, and that was with some
messing around with other wire (hooking up extras, removing the wires from
the add-on tach, etc.), so I didn't do too bad there.  Anyways...

Thanks again,
Chris Ruper

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From: OldsDr@aol.com
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 23:08:08 -0400
Subject: '69 H/O info

Does anyone know where I might be able to get my hands on the VIN's for the
1969 H/O's used in the advertisements.  There are a few odities with with
mine that many people believe it may be one of the ones used in the
advertisements.  Any help will be greatly appreciated.









                                                               OldsDr@aol.com

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 23:22:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Build Sheet - Found!

>Snips

>Or maybe nobody looks at those sheets. They could have been randomly
generated..
>
>"Hey Joe! This car doesn't have a build sheet! Gotta extra one!?"

I don't believe that you have anything like the circumstances of the 'build
sheet.'  The build sheet is the 'bible' for your car.  Not only are they
looked over, they are scoured over.  Even Henry Ford could not have
eliminated the need for the build sheet, by painting everything black.  He
probably had a simple production 'line up' that listed the body style to be
produced as job 1, job 2, etc; but it was the pioneer's approach to the
option list.  No options, no need for a build sheet.

Every assembler in the car plant that can choose between different materials
to install must have his version of the build sheet.  They print many
copies.  Assemblers that pre-build, might work many hours ahead of the
vehicles being assembled at the moment, by referencing to their build sheet.
The version of the build sheet that is most often spoken of here, is
probably assigned to the car interior assemblers.  They are working inside
the car, reference the sheet to see if it gets a tic-toc-tac or a plain
clock or nothing but a blind panel.  It's all on the build sheet, and when
they're done with it, it can wind up anywhere on the car, or not even in the
car for that matter.  However, there is less clean up to the shop floor each
day if they find some place to 'hide' it in the car as it passes their
department.




>*************************************************************************
>* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
>*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
>* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
>*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
>*************************************************************************
>
>

>From my two years at Chevrolet

The Wiz

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 1997 23:39:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Build Sheet - Found!

My car had '81 Cutlass parts car had **2** build sheets in it!  One for
it, and one for the next car!  Although, quite a few cars DO have build
sheets, and they were very necessary for the employees, they were not,
from everything I've heard, required to put the build sheets in the cars!
They could do whatever they wanted to with them!  This is why when they
are found, they seem to be found in so many different places without any
semblance of order.

Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997, Dan Lacey wrote:

> >>The body number on my trim tag (on the cowl) is 370791 and the
> >>sticker on the door jam says the car was built 02-70 so, assuming these
> >>two body numbers should match, it would appear that I have the build
> >>sheet for a car that was built a couple thousand units _later_ !
> >>
> >>I also found some pieces of broken safety glass under the seat on
> >>the passengers side.  Looks like the passenger window was broken
> >>out sometime in the past.  Hmmm.
> >
> >Ah, well, perhaps your car was broadsided in the past, and they
> >welded in a portion of floor from a donor car built after yours,
> >and its build sheet came along for the ride. Encouraging thought,
> >no doubt... :-)
>
> Or maybe nobody looks at those sheets. They could have been randomly
generated.. > > "Hey Joe! This car doesn't have a build sheet! Gotta extra
one!?" > > >
************************************************************************* > *
THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        * > *
*       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    * > * LEFT BLANK                *
3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             * > *                           *
Santa Ana, CA. 92704                * >
************************************************************************* > >
 > >

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From: SHEEP542@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 00:10:46 -0400
Subject: amakk

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From: Kevin Wong <yu135008@yorku.ca>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 02:49:06 -0400
Subject: Re: The Meaning of 442

> My understanding for the Quad 442 was 4 cylinder, 4 camshafts, 2 exhaust
> tips.                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^

Hmmm....  if it were a V-4!! (360 degree?)  <g>

Kevin Wong

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From: Matt Breitbach <mbreitba@iastate.edu>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 03:58:28 -0400
Subject: Re: The Meaning of 442

At 02:49 AM 15-02-97 -0400, you wrote:
>> My understanding for the Quad 442 was 4 cylinder, 4 camshafts, 2 exhaust
>> tips.                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^
>
>Hmmm....  if it were a V-4!! (360 degree?)  <g>
>
>Kevin Wong
>
>
>
QUAD CAMSHAFTS!?  i understood it to be 4 cylinder, 4 valves per cylinder, 2
exhaust tips.  quad camshafts would be interesting....  would have to be a
v-4...  probably have lots of torque....  just my two cents worth.

matt breitbach

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From: Matt Breitbach <mbreitba@iastate.edu>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 04:02:47 -0400
Subject: Re: amakk

At 12:10 AM 15-02-97 -0400, you wrote:
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anyone able to explain this?

matt breitbach

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From: Frank Gonzalez <PLPAUDIO@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 04:33:10 -0400
Subject: Re: WTB 350 Exhaust Manifold & Question

mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
>
> Greg,
> The 350 exhaust manifold used a cover plate for dual exhausts. There is no
"dual > exhaust manifold". Sorry. > > Art Fuller > mefco@sprynet.com

Didnt 70 W-31 have true dual exhaust manifolds?
Frank
70 442
71 442 W-30convt
72 Cutlass S
90 LSC

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From: Frank Gonzalez <PLPAUDIO@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 04:37:57 -0400
Subject: Re: W41 vs VTEC

> Prolly wouldn't have to chop anything.  Just make sure the motor can hold
> together and give it a nice tall gear.  My wagon with the 3.08 rearend and
> overdrive tops out at 200 MPH@5000 rpm on paper.  Ha! Don't I wish.  Maybe I
> could put in a 2.41 rearend and set the land speed record for a station
> wagon.  :))  Somehow I doubt my 200hp engine and driveshaft are up to the
> task.  Even if I could afford Z-rated tires. (Which would be pretty funny on
> a station wagon.)  Allthough I would bet good money on 150mph.  Hell, it was
> just cruising at 110.  (Engine spinning a serene 2800 rpm! Honest!)
>
> Greg Pruett
> `72 Vista Cruiser

Can you imagine the amount of air a VC doing 200 would blast out of its
way!
That would be quite a sight.
Frank

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 08:23:28 -0400
Subject: Re: amakk

>At 12:10 AM 15-02-97 -0400, you wrote:
>>
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>
>what the heck is this gibberish!?  some sort of secret military code? ;)
>anyone able to explain this?

I ~guess~ it's better than asterisks! *********  ** **   *****  *!


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 08:23:32 -0400
Subject: Olds in Action

>Thomas Stoner wrote:
>>
>> Charley Buehner said:
>>
>> > This is all quoted from an article in my "Olds in action" the
>> > legendary (and apparantly) only issue in existance...  It's from
>> > 1984.
>>
>> *****
>> That would be Volume 1 of "Oldsmobile In Action".  I have three or
>> four copies of that one in my reference files.  I also have a couple
>> copies of Volume 3, which was issued in 1987 and also contains an
>> article on the second generation DRCE engine.  I don't believe that
>> I've ever seen a copy of Volume 2, but there must have been one.
>>
>
>Are they for sale?  I've been looking for one ever since seeing bits
>of Volume 1 on Charley's (now extinct) page.  I spent two days calling
>publishers, bookstores, used bookstores, etc and nobody had even heard
>of it.
>
>So how about it, are you willing to part with a copy of the volumes
>you have?


Or better yet, scan the ~entire~ thing in (like I ~started~ to do...) so we
~all~ can get a chance at it?....


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: katana72@juno.com (Robert F Turner)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 08:27:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Build Sheet - Found!

On Fri, 14 Feb 1997 10:01:43 -0400 Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
writes:
>While pulling my front bench seat in the 442 last
>night, so I could take it in today to be re-covered,
>I found the holy grail of documentation, the build
>sheet.  It was stuck to a small dab of body seam filler
>or some other kind of adhesive, on the floor pan
>adjacent and just inboard of the left side seat belt
>retractor assembly.
>
 according to this sheet, my car was built on
>Feb 18 1970.  Its a Cutlass Supreme Convertible, painted
>Twilight Blue with a Blue(?) top.  It has optional
>Deluxe Seat Belts Front and Rear (A39), Air Conditioning (C60)
>and a Notch Back Bench Seat (A65).
>
>That's funny, last time I looked at my car it was a Black 442
>Holiday Coupe with standard seat belts, no air, and a standard
>bench seat.  Oh well.
>
>The body number on my trim tag (on the cowl) is 370791 and the
>sticker on the door jam says the car was built 02-70 so, assuming
>these
>two body numbers should match, it would appear that I have the build
>sheet for a car that was built a couple thousand units _later_ !
Could it be somebody has changed the front Seat??? May have been in an
accident that wrecked the passenger side and messed up the seat. Just a
thought.

Rob Turner
Katana72@ Juno.com        It's NOT your Daddy's Oldsmobile!!!!!!
Hastings, MN
>I also found some pieces of broken safety glass under the seat on
>the passengers side.  Looks like the passenger window was broken
>out sometime in the past.  Hmmm.
>
>-Jeff
>jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
>
>1970 442  4-Speed
>see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton
>
>

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 11:31:50 -0400
Subject: Re: amakk

Matt Breitbach wrote:
>
> >JDPKFPOFPOA;LADD\As

(and so on)

> what the heck is this gibberish!?  some sort of secret military code?

Gee, Matt.  Didn't you get your secret
Olds Decoder Ring when you subscribed?

- --
    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Junior627@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 11:27:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Replacement Muffler

In a message dated 97-02-12 17:50:23 EST, you write:

<< , are
 there any 'performance' mufflers available for single exhaust?  Maybe
 one that has higher flow and a bit more noise to it? >>

yes you could check the summit cataloge there are a couple of good muffs like
the summit, thrush, or walker dynomax...they can be purchased for around
$20.00

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From: Junior627@aol.com
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 11:33:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: GM Performance Catalogue

it pumps water faster to cool the engine quicker...that is what i have
heard...

junior627@aol.com
Nicolo
1985 Delta 88

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From: "Tracy McKee" <mckeet@discover-net.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 11:55:25 -0400
Subject: #Oldsmobile on DALnet

I registered a channel called #Oldsmobile on DALnet mIRC so if anyone comes
to DAL make sure you drive by and say hello.  If you have any suggestions
on what I should do with the # e-mail me or find me on the channel, I am
Saltuc (Cutlass spelled backwards, cool huh).  Hope to see you all there.

Tracy McKee
75 Cutlass Supreme
mckeet@discover-net.net

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 10:41:00 -0400
Subject: Price for a found '70 W30

I posted this earlier and got no response.  I would like some input on
this car, since I expect to be closing in on the deal in a week or so.
Read on....

Found:
'70 W30.  AT/AC Holiday Coupe, all there except for the red fender wells
and original front fenders.  Options include Dual Gate, inside hood
lock, and  AM radio.  I'd call it a grade 5.  Body is faded/dinged with
some minor rust.   Engine runs, with 68,000 on the odometer.  Based on
the tired interior, it's probably 168,000.

What is it worth?

Scott Mullen
'70 442

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 10:33:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Sandwich Man (was Re: Point Sytems/Carlisle)

The Wiz wrote:
>Another plan for a big car meet is to make you self into a 'sandwich' man.
>Make a large sign with large letters, and wear it front and back.  You will
>be amazed by how many people read these signs (a lot of people wear them, so
>you will not be looking so foolishly alone, and its worth it for the leads)
>and you can get tips and leads about cars on the field, and what some left
>at home; this is very worthwile.

Ah, I did this at Summer Carlisle in '96.  Donning my trusty ALICE pack,
I stuffed my genuine '70 W31 aluminum intake and a '70-72 Rally Pack
into it.  I affixed my sandwich sign, and entered the show.  I had gone
about 30 feet and sold the Rally Pack.  I then proceeded to walk 9 hours
in the sun with the intake, and never had a single person ask me to see
it.  Although it is aluminum, the sucker got heavy by the end of the
day.  My two associates (both of them Chevy men) proceeded to use me as
a pack mule for all of the various items they had bought, since I had
that backpack on.  I also had to walk prospective buyers all the way
back to my truck twice to retrieve the Edelbrock O4B that I was
advertising on the sandwich sign, only to end up taking that back home
at the end of the day.  I plan on taking the intake to Spring Carlisle
(a 100 mile trip) but leaving it in the truck.  There were a few guys
specializing in intakes whom I had to show the W31 intake to (they
didn't ask to see it mind you) but both offered me $250.  Yuck, Yuck,
Yuck.  The next day, my knees hurt from carrying that GD intake.  I'm
sticking with the Wiz's advice and carrying only the sandwich sign this
year. Either that or I'll rent a spot and save my knees.

Scott Mullen
'70 442

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 00:21:12 -0400
Subject: Re: The Meaning of 442

Matt Breitbach wrote:
>
> At 02:49 AM 15-02-97 -0400, you wrote:
> >> My understanding for the Quad 442 was 4 cylinder, 4 camshafts, 2 exhaust
> >> tips.                                             ^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> >Hmmm....  if it were a V-4!! (360 degree?)  <g>
> >
> >Kevin Wong
> >
> >
> >
> QUAD CAMSHAFTS!?  i understood it to be 4 cylinder, 4 valves per cylinder, 2
> exhaust tips.  quad camshafts would be interesting....  would have to be a
> v-4...  probably have lots of torque....  just my two cents worth.
>
> matt breitbach

You got me there, 4 valves per cylinerd it is.

Jeff.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 06:25:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Rating Systems

Ray Moriarty wrote:
>  Is the Hershey event very different?
>
> Ray
> 34467X

Ray,

Hershey is sponsored by the AACA.  Only 25 year-old stuff is allowed
there.  Carlisle was set up for the ones who had newer items for sale.
I have never been to either one although Hershey is much the larger.
Carlisle is plenty large.  They both  sound nice.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 12:58:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Quad442/Mantapart

Jeff,

Thanx much for the input!  If you would let me have Mantapart's number
and/or address I would really appreciate it.  If I find a shifter source,
I'll certainly let you know.

Jim Townsend

1990 Quad442

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 16:07:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Rating Systems

Lloyd Culp wrote:
>
> Ray Moriarty wrote:
> >  Is the Hershey event very different?
> >
> Hershey is sponsored by the AACA.  Only 25 year-old stuff is allowed
> there.  Carlisle was set up for the ones who had newer items for sale.

Having lived in Harrisburg for 15 years before moving to here and having
been to both, I would say that Hershey tends to be more prewar and a bit
more "formal" while Carlisle is more postwar and flea market-ish.

BTW, they also have a great show in New Hope every year (north of
Philadelphia near Doylestown).

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 16:11:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: GM Performance Catalogue

Junior627@aol.com wrote:
>
> it pumps water faster to cool the engine quicker...that is what i have
> heard...

Well here's a good case for the archives.  What was that?  About five
months ago?  The heated :) debate about water moving too fast to properly
cool the engine.  Deja vu all over again (Yogi).

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:03:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Price for a found '70 W30

At 10:41 AM 2/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I posted this earlier and got no response.  I would like some input on
>this car, since I expect to be closing in on the deal in a week or so.
>Read on....
>
>Found:
>'70 W30.  AT/AC Holiday Coupe, all there except for the red fender wells
>and original front fenders.  Options include Dual Gate, inside hood
>lock, and  AM radio.  I'd call it a grade 5.  Body is faded/dinged with
>some minor rust.   Engine runs, with 68,000 on the odometer.  Based on
>the tired interior, it's probably 168,000.
>
>What is it worth?
>
>Scott Mullen
>'70 442
>
>
Sounds like $20. a ton.

Anon. I

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:04:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Price for a found '70 W30

At 10:41 AM 2/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I posted this earlier and got no response.  I would like some input on
>this car, since I expect to be closing in on the deal in a week or so.
>Read on....
>
>Found:
>'70 W30.  AT/AC Holiday Coupe, all there except for the red fender wells
>and original front fenders.  Options include Dual Gate, inside hood
>lock, and  AM radio.  I'd call it a grade 5.  Body is faded/dinged with
>some minor rust.   Engine runs, with 68,000 on the odometer.  Based on
>the tired interior, it's probably 168,000.
>
>What is it worth?
>
>Scott Mullen
>'70 442
>
>
On second thought that has "F" heads.

$20. a ton, plus substantial hundreds for the heads.

Anon. I

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:06:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Rating Systems

At 06:25 AM 2/15/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Ray Moriarty wrote:
>>  Is the Hershey event very different?
>>
>> Ray
>> 34467X
>
>Ray,
>
>Hershey is sponsored by the AACA.  Only 25 year-old stuff is allowed
>there.  Carlisle was set up for the ones who had newer items for sale.
>I have never been to either one although Hershey is much the larger.
>Carlisle is plenty large.  They both  sound nice.
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>
>
No, Bill

That isn't the rule.  Anything and everything is allowed at Hershey, even
though it is an AACA sponsored meet, actually it is the local chapter's
meet, even though it's one AACA home town territory.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 1997 02:33:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Quad442/Mantapart

James William Townsend wrote:
>
> Jeff,
>
> Thanx much for the input!  If you would let me have Mantapart's number
> and/or address I would really appreciate it.  If I find a shifter source,
> I'll certainly let you know.
>
> Jim Townsend
>
> 1990 Quad442

Mantapart Performance products
330 549-3188

Let me know what you dicide to do.  I'm still considering options for
the spring.

Jeff.

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 15:43:24 -0400
Subject: Re:  442 Heads

The heads in my garage are off a '68 4-4-2 - C heads.  They were reworked
before being put on a motor that had main bearing problems and taken off
after approx. 2 mos.  They have sat since 1978.  I would like to sell them
as I don't need them and have picked up that "Cheap" Vista Cruiser less
motor for another project.

Please e-mail me personally regarding these.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: pteubel@safety1st.com (Peter Teubel)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:27:27 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Rating Systems


     >> Ray, Where are those yards?  I'm goint to spring
     >> Carlisle. Jeff

     I'm still waiting on directions from my nephew.  I'll get them from
     him Sunday and post it to the list...

     Peter Teubel
     pteubel@safety1st.com
     '51 98
     '82 98
     '86 Ciera (Wife's Car)

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From: Joseph Fauzio <galusha@postoffice.ptd.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 16:59:40 -0400
Subject: 74 Toro

I could get a 74 Toronado for nothing. It was my brother in law's car.
It was stored in a shed for the last 12 years. The tires went flat and
it settled into the mud. I was told that the floors are rusted out. The
car in now in a junk yard. It is still complete. I don't know what I
would do with if I got it. I'm wondering if there are any parts on it
that I could use on my 442.

Joe
71 442

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 20:17:27 -0400
Subject: Re: 74 Toro

Joseph Fauzio wrote:
>
> I could get a 74 Toronado for nothing. It was my brother in law's car.
> It was stored in a shed for the last 12 years. The tires went flat and
> it settled into the mud. I was told that the floors are rusted out. The
> car in now in a junk yard. It is still complete. I don't know what I
> would do with if I got it. I'm wondering if there are any parts on it
> that I could use on my 442.

Want me to forward this to the Toroheads?  Maybe someone would be
interested in buying it from you.  Where abouts it be at?

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:31:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Quad 442

On 15 Feb 97 at 9:41, jeff antonucci wrote:

> I would kill for a better shifter!  Let me know if you find one.
> Let me know if you need Mantapart's number too.

Jeff,

I think you need to try an Achieva SCX shifter.  Its a bit shorter on
the throws.

The H.O. Quads and Mike: '91 W-40 442, '93 W-41 SCX

------------------------------

From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 14:36:48 -0400
Subject: Re: W41 vs VTEC

On 15 Feb 97 at 9:22, jeff antonucci wrote:

> I don't know what the W-41s top speed is, but the 3.94 gears
> probably limit it to about 130-140 mph.  I keep looking for sixth.

The W-41 Achieva SCX (same but heavier and more rounded) tops out at
135.  I would think the Quad442 would top out a little faster - 140
perhaps.  Olds probably added a speed governor to the Quad442, since
it didn't have speed rated tires.  I'm not sure though, since I had
mine past the end of the speedo, and at about 130 (or so the guy in
the M3 reported..)

> The W-41s RULE the 4 cylinder normally aspirated streets!

Agreed!  Especially with all of the nice torque.

The H.O. Quads and Mike:  '91 W-40 442, '93 W-41 SCX

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From: Brad Nicholson <76062.3042@CompuServe.COM>
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 1997 21:49:13 -0400
Subject: Forwarding Question: Need 425 & 455 info

All,
I got this from my reference on Bryceman's 442.com OCA Chapter page.  I AM
DEFINITELY "NOT" THE EXPERT ON THESE QUESTIONS!  (Sometimes the best answer is
to give the question to someone else who knows) Help them convert from
Chevy-itis.
 ---   Brad Nicholson   OCA#18984
| | |  1987 442 W-42
| | |  1994 Eighty Eight LSS
|/|\|  (H) 76062.3042@compuserve.com
| | |  (W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
 ---   Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD
-
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
--- - --------- From: David and Jean Nelson <nelson@olg.com> To:
76062.3042@compuserve.com Subject: olds ques X-URL:
http://www.442.com/ocachapters.html Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

My brother is showing the Internet for the first time.  I have an
interest in working on an Oldsmobile.  All of my previous experience is
with Chevrolets.  So, we pulled up Oldsmobile Engine and found your
entry.  I was wondering if you could answer some questions that I have?

A. I have a '65 or '66 425 cu. in. short block.  Will a '86 307 roller
cam from 442 (currently in my possession) work/fit?

B. Are small block (307, 330, 350, 403) heads interchangable with the
larger block (400, 425, 455)?

C. What are the connecting rod lengths on 425 and 455?

D. Are 425 and 455 pistons interchangable?

E. What is the deck height on the tall deck Olds?

F. What is the push rod length on a small and big block Olds?

I would be very greatful for any assistance in locating this
information.  Thanks for your time.

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