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oldsmobile-digest          Friday, 28 March 1997       Volume 01 : Number 581

Re: Quarter Window Weatherstrip Replacement
Black Buckets for a 69 Cutlass, Preferably in the mid-west
Re: recommendation on springs needed for Cultass
Re: recommendation on springs needed for Cultass
Re: Bucket Seats
Re: '65 98 update (LONG)
1 Phase vs. 2 Phase vs. 3 Phase
Re: disappointing performance
s
Re: rear window
Re: 1 Phase vs. 2 Phase vs. 3 Phase
89 olds
[none]
Re: recommendation on springs needed for Cultass
Re: Computer ERROR Codes
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)
speedo gear thanks and summary
71 Cutlass Supreme Front Suspension
Re: 71 Cutlass Supreme Front Suspension
Re: 455 Questions
Supercharger
Rocket Convertable Identification...
Wow, I feel a bit young.
Re: 455 Questions
Re: Alpha One Merchandise
Re: Supercharger
Oil Weight
Re: See my car
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Re: 455 Questions
oldsmobile anniversary
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Re: Oil Weight
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Re: Supercharger
Re: Computer ERROR Codes
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Re: Oil Weight
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Re: Supercharger
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Re: Oil Weight
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)
Re: Dates, times, years, etc.
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)
Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage
Re: Supercharger
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Re: Oil Weight
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)
Rare Cars?
Steve Ochs are you listening

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From: Oldoldsguy@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:15:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Quarter Window Weatherstrip Replacement

In a message dated 3/27/97 8:59:38 PM, you wrote:

<<I was able to slide one of the w/s in with
no trouble at all, but the other one really fought going up the last
couple of inches. >>

Try a little liquid dish soap in the weatherstrip channel next time.  Also
soff seal offers an instruction booklet available from them or any major
vendor.

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From: <Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:20:09 -0400
Subject: Black Buckets for a 69 Cutlass, Preferably in the mid-west

From: Michael Baugher on 03/27/97 03:20 PM

     I'm in need of some interior parts for my Cutlass.

     If anyone has a lead on good buckets, back seat, door panels, etc.
     that will fit a convertible, please let me know.

     I would prefer they were black and somewhere near the Kansas City
area.

     Thanks all!

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From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:59:34 -0400
Subject: Re: recommendation on springs needed for Cultass

g.m. still has replacement springs, also moog. contact your favorite
g.m. dealer for a resto parts catalog.

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From: Barnacle Bill <wreilly@acad.bryant.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:35:12 -0400
Subject: Re: recommendation on springs needed for Cultass

Try Performance Suspension Technologies (PST) in New Jersey.  They can
custom make springs for about $135 a pair.  I was gonna get new springs
from these guys last summer but couldn't afford them at the time.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997 Oldoldsguy@aol.com wrote:

> Most of the major players offer custom made exact replacement coils for your
> car. Some, like Brothers, lists availability of heavy duty on request.  Hope
> this helps.
>
>

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From: Barnacle Bill <wreilly@acad.bryant.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:40:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Bucket Seats

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997 Mr.Soul@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> Does anyone know which seats and center counsole would work well in a
> 1988 Cutlass Supreme with a 60/40 split bench? Would any buckets be
> adaptable?
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
>
If it's a RWD Cutlass try to find any 81-88 two door Cutlass in a salvage
yard.  Many of these came factory with buckets and consoles (like mine).
I assume if you take all the hardware that is in the donor car it should
bolt right up to your Olds.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme

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From: Dan Bennett <DBennett@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:38:46 -0400
Subject: Re: '65 98 update (LONG)

Dan Lacey wrote:
>
> (LONG)
>
> I finally got the rear suspension upgraded! This took 2 Sunday afternoons.
> If I had to do it again, I could do it in one afternoon. Half of my time
> was spent finding the proper way to use the jack, jack stands, and various
> tools needed for the job.
>
> I chose the rear over the front suspension to upgrade first because of the
> simplicity of the job, lower cost of parts, and lower weight of rearend
> (this car weighs I believe more than 2 tons).
>
> This round included new springs, air bags, shocks, lower control arms,
> lower control arm bushings. I installed the lower control arms and shocks
> on one day, then the springs and air-bags on the next Sunday.
>
> To save time, I swapped lower control arms so that I could have the
> bushings replaced and still drive the car. The lower control arms are from
> a '64 Chevelle Malibu. They are "almost" exactly the same. The 2
> differences are that the 98 has anti-sway bar mounting points pre-drilled.
> The Chevelle did not. The 98 has a mounting bracket for the emergency brake
> cables; the Chevelle does not. I still have to remove the brackets from the
> old arms and drill some holes in the new arms for these (they bolt on.
> Maybe a quick weld would work too.)
>
> FEP replaced the lower control arms on his Chevelle with some trick stuff,
> and had the old arms just "laying around". Close inspection showed that
> they are basically the same part. FEP had sway bar mounting points drilled
> and then "enhanced" them. First, the sway bar mounting points were
> reinforced using steel tubing welded to the inside of the control arm so a
> bolt could pass thru. Next, a plate of 3/16" steel was welded down the
> length of the arm to "box" them. I ordered the Energy Suspension
> poly-graphite bushing set and had them installed at a local shop. The rear
> set of bushings runs $100 from Performance Suspension Technologies (Energy
> does not sell direct), but the local shop gave me the same price.
> Installation cost about $50-$60. I am not sure since I was buying alot of
> stuff and we dicker (friendly) about price alot...
>
> The springs were found at Pep Boys (they are starting to amaze me!) for
> $115 for the rear set. They are made by TRW. The air bags are Air Lift 1000
> made by...(Dª@$, I forgot the manufacturer and the literature is at
> home...). I purchased these thru Summit Racing for about $65. I should have
> purchased new rubber perchs (sp?) for where the springs rest, but these can
> be installed rather easily now that I know what I am doing. I chose the
> combination of OEM springs and air-bags over progressively wound or heavy
> duty springs. Changing to a different kind of spring would either change
> the ride height or the travel, or both. With my combo., I can have the
> original handling, or adjust for hard driving and large payload easily.
>
> Special tools needed:
> - Breaker bar or a Large rachet wrench.
> - Pry bar of some kind, about 3 foot long, with a good flattened point.
> - Jack stands that will get the car at least 15" off the ground at the
frame. > - a GOOD creeper will save you ALOT of time!!! > > Tricks and
Traps... > > First of all, when FEP tells you to do something, you should
probably do > it!!!! Case in point... When installing the lower control arms,
put the > jack (your car is on jack-stands, right?) under the center of the >
differential as far forward as you can. If you put it under the shock, the >
differential will move about 1 to 2 inches to the rear!(VERY scarry when > you
pull that bolt out!!!) At this point, I just went inside to calm down > and
plan my next move... This is one place where you need the pry bar. The > point
should fit in one of the frame holes behind the tire. Insert and push > the
tire/axle forward. By raising and lowering the jack slightly (about 1 > inch),
the axle will now move forward and backword slightly. This is how I > lined up
the control arm with the rear mounting point. > > I could only get my car up
about 15-15 1/2 inches off the ground. I would > consider this a minimum
height to get the old springs out without a spring > compressor. This is a 30
year old car, and I doubt that the springs have > ever been replaced. I pryed
the springs out with the above mentioned pry > bar. Putting in the new springs
is pretty easy at this point. The new > springs, unsprung, are about 4 inches
shorter than the old worn out > springs. This is for two reasons. Someone told
me that as a spring wears > out, it will lenghten (sounds reasonable). Spring
manufactures claim that > OEM springs maintain the ride height of the vehicle
with better materials > so the springs can be shorter but perform the same.
The air-bags have to be > inserted between the coils since the top and bottom
of the spring spiral to > a very small diameter. When you get them in, they
will fit VERY loosely. > You will probably be able to fit your finger between
the bag and the > spring. They will also appear to be a couple inches short.
At this point > you might as well attach the air hose to the bag. It would be
harder with > the bag on the car. With the air-bags inside the new springs, I >
"bench-pressed" them up and onto the perchs. This was actually pretty easy >
(I am 6', 145 lbs :-------). > > You need a heat shield on the exhaust system
next to the passenger side > spring so you don't melt the air bag. These are
supplied with the air bag. > They are just sheet metal and hose clamps. > >
Test run the air hoses for the bags before you install. On most cars you > can
just cut the supplied hose into 2 pieces and worry about it later. On > my
car, the axle is about 5 feet from the rear of the car. I JUST had > enough
hose to connect it all together underneath the license plate. If I > had
figured out a path before hand, I would have cut them different lengths > and
been done with it, but now I have to go back and fix it up... > > Bottom
Line: > > I have been driving it since Sunday to work and back. The front
suspension > has not been done, so it is hard to determine what the end result
of all > this will be... I almost eliminated a nasty pull to the left while
braking. > It is almost unnoticable now. Apparently, the slight pull was
causing the > rear end to steer the car (probably the worn bushings). I don't
scrape > while pulling into driveways anymore!  The springs raised the ride
height >  1 and 1/4". This was measured at the rear axle from the ground to
the > bottom of the wheel well skirt. I was at about 17 1/4" before and am now
at > 18 1/2" before you pump up the bags. The air bags will give you MORE than 
>
enough lift if you want. I am currently running about 10 lbs of air in both >
sides. When I get the front-end done, I plan to fill the bags > assymetrically
to avoid roll on launch. > > Even without the front-end work, the car is much
safer to drive! Stopping, > accelerating and over-all handling are greatly
improved. > > Future Stuff: > > After I upgrade the brake system, front
suspension, and add BEEFY tires, I > will come back to the rear-end. I would
like to replace the rear upper > control arm bushings (they came with the
set), and add a rear anti-sway > bar. > > Thanks for Listening... > >
************************************************************************* > *
THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        * > *
*       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    * > * LEFT BLANK                *
3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             * > *                           *
Santa Ana, CA. 92704                * >
*************************************************************************

- --
Daniel Bennett
Academic Advisor, Graduate Programs
Computer Science and Engineering
Arizona State University
dbennett@asu.edu
For more info visit our Webpage
http://www.eas.asu.edu/~csedept

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From: Steve Ochs <Steve_Ochs@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:40:00 -0400
Subject: 1 Phase vs. 2 Phase vs. 3 Phase

NOTE: This needs to be viewed in fixed font!!!

I had to put my $.02 as an electrical engineer.  House
wiring and industrial wiring are completely different
animals.  House wiring is not 2-phase in the same sense
that industrial is three phase.  House wiring 220/110 is
simply single phase off a center tapped transformer.
The neutral is the center tap such that from one leg to
another is 220v but from 1 leg to neutral is only using
half of the windings therefore only 110v

|----220v-----|
|             |
|-110v-|-110v-|
|      |      |
X1     N      X2
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^  Transformer on pole.
H1            H2  H2 is usually grounded.
|---1000v typ.-|

If N did not exist and you grounded X2, you would still
have 220v from X1 to X2.  Because N is grounded (in your
panel) you have the ability to access 110v to neutral.

In a polyphase system (2-phase, 3-phase, etc) the
individual phases are generated "out of phase" with
each other.  Depending on how it is connected,
components of power come into play (real vs imaginary
or actual vs. apparent) and power factor, etc.

For example, in an industrial 3-phase 440v system
(each phase is 120 degrees apart):

Delta Connected - Vline = Vphase, Iline=1.73Iphase
i.e. voltage across any two phases is 440v and from
any phase to ground is 440v.
NOTE: xxxxx = Supply (generator, etc.)
      A,B,C = Phase Connection
      ----- = Lead
      ||||| = Lead

       A------------------
      x x           |    |
     x   x        440V   |
    x     x         |   440V
   BxxxxxxxC---------    |
   |                |    |
   |              440V   |
   |                |    |
   ------------------------


Wye-Connected - Vline=1.73Vphase, Iline=Iphase
i.e. voltage across any two phases is 440V but
voltage from any phase to ground (neutral) is 277v.
At the plant we use 440v Wye (no neutral) for
machines and use 440 Wye w/neutral and use a single
phase to neutral (277v) for lighting.  We run no
neutral so that any phase can have a ground fault
(be grounded) and the system will still work.

 -----A--440v--B------
 |  |  x      x |    |
 | 277v x    x 277v  |
 |  |    x  x   |    |
 |  ----- N------    |
 |    |   x         440v
440v 277v x          |
 |    |   x          |
 ---------C-----------

This also applies to a true 2-phase, 110v, 3 wire system
 (each phase is 90 degrees apart).  Voltage from any
phase to neutral(ground) is 110v, but voltage from phase
to phase is 155v.

  ----A-----
  |   x    |
 110v x   155v
  |   x    |
  ----NxxxxB
      |    |
      -110v-

In a two phase, 110v, 5 wire system, (2 center tapped
transformers  with supply 90 degrees out of phase and
all neutrals tied together).  From any phase to neutral
is 110V, across two legs of same phase transformer is
220v, but from leg of one phase of one transformer to
either leg of other phase transformer is 155v.


   ----A1----------
   |   x     |    |
 110v  x     |    |
     \ x    155v  |
      \x     |    |
 B1xxxxNxxxxB2   220v
 |    /x     |    |
 |   / x     |    |
 -110v x    155v  |
       x     |    |
       A2----------

A1 and A2 are from one phase and B1 and B2 are the other
phase. Either A or B by itself is how a home system works.

This is very hard to describe wand illustrate with just
ASCII text but I hope it makes at least a little sense.
Keep in mind that there is a whole course in power systems
for EEs and it is not an easy concept to grasp.  But I hope
that it helps put this issue to bed.

Sorry for the non-Olds stuff but this was too much
mis-information plugging up the list-server.

Steve Ochs - Mfg/Product Engineer - GM Powertrain - Parma Plant
Transmission Division (4T60/65-E) - The statements and opinions
expressed here are NOT an official statement of General Motors
or the GM Powertrain Division

'97 Chevy Blazer LT 4x4 4.3L V6    '96 DCM Impala SS 5.7L V8
'87 Olds Cutlass 442 307 V8        '61 GMC 1500 Fleetside 305 V6

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From: Fernando Proietto <proietto@dow.on.doe.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:50:48 -0400
Subject: Re: disappointing performance

Travis,
you sholdn't worry too much about your car, chances are it was working
fine. The Eclipse's, Talon's and Lasers are quite a car as far as
performance goes. These cars are very esily modifiable, I know, I have
one. There is no comparison when it comes to the olds, since they belong
to entirely different classes, however, performance-to-performance,
these cars can turn a quick second for very little money invested.
Turning up the boost on a stock engine will alow 17psi.

Barry mentioned somethin g like 20-30, that's too high, the highest I
have herd was 22psi, but the engine would require sever modifications to
allow this. Anyway, just have a weiry eye when it comes to lining up
with cars of that nature, they can surprise you when you least suspect
it. But, I'm sure the olds can hold it's own under the right conditions.

Fernando
'72 442

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From: Rallye442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:49:41 -0400
Subject: s

subscribe

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From: Dustin E Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:08:10 -0400
Subject: Re: rear window

it is possible to use a guitar or piano string but there is a removal tool
available for 5-15$  depending on where you look  the cheapest I found was
out of Harbor Freight   with the tool you can have the window out in about
2 minutes after you remove the trim (if I remember right that takes
longer to remove the trim than the window)

> I've been following this post and I'd like to find out exactly how to take
> the window out.  I'd like to clean up under the back glass of my `67, even
> though it hasn't rotted through yet.  Do I jut take the G string off my
> Hagstrom, force it under the glass through the tar looking goop, and start
> sawing?  Or is there something more to the procedure?
>
> Thanks a bunch.
>
> Greg Pruett
> `72 Vista-Cruiser
> `67 Cutlass Supreme
>
>
>

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 22:25:11 -0400
Subject: Re: 1 Phase vs. 2 Phase vs. 3 Phase

Steve Ochs wrote:
>
> ... House wiring 220/110 is simply single phase off a center tapped
> transformer.  The neutral is the center tap such that from one leg to
> another is 220v but from 1 leg to neutral is only using half of the
> windings therefore only 110v

Each leg of which is 180 degrees out of phase from the other with respect
to the center tap.  Basic transformer theory.

> If N did not exist and you grounded X2, you would still
> have 220v from X1 to X2.

This is moot.  It does exist.

> Because N is grounded (in your panel)...

And because of the center tap transformer.

> ...you have the ability to access 110v to neutral.

Yup.

> In a polyphase system (2-phase, 3-phase, etc) the individual phases
> are generated "out of phase" with each other.

Regardless of how the power is generated, the only thing that matters in
this discussion is what is available at the panel.

> Depending on how it is connected, components of power come into play
> (real vs imaginary or actual vs. apparent) and power factor, etc.

Power factors?  Reactance is a little beyond the scope, don't you think?

> For example, in an industrial 3-phase 440v system
> (each phase is 120 degrees apart):

        < SNIP OF DOCTORAL THESIS >

> Keep in mind that there is a whole course in power systems
> for EEs and it is not an easy concept to grasp.

Been there, done that.   ;)

> Sorry for the non-Olds stuff but this was too much
> mis-information plugging up the list-server.

Plugging?

While revisiting poly-phase power was good fun, the point was standard
220v supplies do not have two IN PHASE lines.  Regardless of what method
is used to derive the voltage -- be it generator or transformer.

Industrial engineering may prefer the term "true" 2-phase, I've never
found the rest of electrical engineering to be quite so dogmatic.  Would
it no longer be "true" if it was 120 degrees?

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

The statements and opinions expressed here ARE
an official statement of Edison3, Incorporated.

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Dustin E Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:30:12 -0400
Subject: 89 olds

I was wondering if anyone else had expirienced troubles with the digital
dash going out on their newer olds?  my sister and I both have '89s with
the base digital cluster and they both flash and go out occasionaly I've
had them both apart and found no loose wires or other obvious solution

unfortunatly I've never been able to control when it quits or I might have
saved a ticket or two!!

thanks

Dustin Cross
'89 olds
'78 blazer
'72 buick
'68 olds wagon
'53 ch*v pickup

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From: Dustin E Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:37:24 -0400
Subject: [none]

I was talking to my stepdad the other day and he told me he had a olds
convertable with a 377 rockett and a 4-speed automatic.  what model and
year might this have been in?  he couldnt remember for sure (he had a
couple)    I MIGHT still be able to find the engine and trans.

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From: HGLYLE@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:40:57 -0400
Subject: Re: recommendation on springs needed for Cultass

i can get new springs for front and rear 72 era cutlass

fronts are $150 (new)

rears are $125(new)
    standard, heavy duty, or "variable/progressive" load

hope this helps
harold
72 s conv

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:40:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Computer ERROR Codes

How does one "clear the computer"?

       Jim Townsend

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From: James Pindar <jp@webspan.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 22:36:30 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

The old Saab 96 V4 had a 4-on-a-tree! The car was quick as well!


Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, James Thingwold wrote:
> > Goodness, if there are this many people unfamiliar with what used to be
the > > old standby three on the tree - how 'bout them funky dash button
shifters > > outta the old Plymouths etc.  My grandparents had a '58 Plymouth
in a 1 car > > garage - there was 4" on either side & we used to have to slide
down the > > side of it to get into the house, first time I saw one of them
till my > > Grandmothers Rambler.  Now I'm dating myself! > > Lisa, there
definitely is a generation gap here -- and I never considered > myself old
until now! :) Today I took the Cutlass out for the first time > in weeks --
finally got a break in the weather and I'm finally getting > over my flu --
and when I was filling it with gas, a guy in his early 20s > and his g/f
walked by and stopped to admire the car. "Is that a 1958 > model?" he asked.
Well, he was only out by 10 years. I never had confused > a '58 with a '68
before... but he had no clue. Then I hear him whisper to > his g/f, "See,
that's a muscle machine!". Well, at least that part made me > feel good... :) >
 > No real criticism of the fellow intended, I suppose it's understandable. >
But it illustrates that those of us who grew up in the 60s and 70s are >
indeed now middle-aged... :( > > Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca
Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada > (who learned to drive in a 3-on-the-tree...)

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From: John and Elizabeth Gene <gene@cybernex.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:51:21 -0400
Subject: speedo gear thanks and summary

    What I've learned is there are two gears, the drive gear and the driven
gear. The drive gear is connected to the output shaft of the transmission.
The driven gear is connected to the drive gear and the speedo cable.

    The 1984 Custom Cruiser used the TH200-4R and a 3.73 gear set. It was
important to find a car with this combination and using the same tire
height. Obviously the tire size affects the rate of speed.

    Here's the meat and potatoes of the post. The 2.93 speedo gear set uses
a 13 tooth drive gear and a 28 tooth driven gear. The 3.73 speedo gear set
uses a 13 tooth drive gear and a 31 tooth driven gear. This is a easy
switch for me since the drive gear is the same in both applications.

 Thanks everyone for your help in my small but important modification.

John
+================================+
| John and Elizabeth Gene        |
| mailto:gene@cybernex.net       |
| http://www2.cybernex.net/~gene |
+================================+

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From: "Tedquist, Mike" <MTedquis@space.honeywell.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 21:13:30 -0400
Subject: 71 Cutlass Supreme Front Suspension

I need to overhaul my front suspension and would like to do most, if
not all, the work myself.  Any advice/suggestions towards a good
overhaul procedure would be appreciated.

Thanks
Mike Tedquist

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From: "blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 21:44:22 -0400
Subject: Re: 71 Cutlass Supreme Front Suspension

PST has some very good rebuild kits, and they come with a very good (IMHO)
how-to video that you get free with purchase.  Or you can buy just the
video for $19.95.  Shipping is usually free.

PST
P.O. Box 396
Montville, NJ 07045-0396
1-800-247-2288
http://www.p-s-t.com/

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

- ----------
> From: Tedquist, Mike <MTedquis@space.honeywell.com>
> I need to overhaul my front suspension and would like to do most, if
> not all, the work myself.  Any advice/suggestions towards a good
> overhaul procedure would be appreciated.

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:33:19 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 Questions

I think you will need a cam of less duration. Cams with a long duration
are for high RPMs. The one you have would not start breathing until
around 4500. Now here you get into a little mess. You still want a good
amount of lift to offset the short duration. This will have the effect
of excessive cam wear. Look for something around 270-280 duration and
maybe .460 lift.

Danny

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From: "Aaron R. Weimer" <aweimer@ameritech.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 22:56:09 -0400
Subject: Supercharger

Ok all, here is a good question for you.  I have a 1972 442, W30, and I =
am looking to put a supercharger on it.  One catch. I want an under the =
hood supercharger, like the vortech that you can mount on Mustags..  Has =
anyone attempted this?  Vortech says they don't offer them for =
carborated engines but they tell me that it is possible and some people =
have successfully done so.. Anyone have any info for first hand =
knowledge on this issue?  I wanted to install this under the hood =
because I love the hood scoops and don't want a nasty supercharger =
sticking out of my hood.. Thanks!

Aaron
1972, 4-4-2 W30


Mark, this is one for you.  Do you know of anyone who has done this. =20

------------------------------

From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:00:16 -0400
Subject: Rocket Convertable Identification...

> I was talking to my stepdad the other day and he told me he had a olds
> convertable with a 377 rockett and a 4-speed automatic.  what model and
> year might this have been in?  he couldnt remember for sure (he had a
> couple)    I MIGHT still be able to find the engine and trans.


The engine was probibly a 371, since Olds never made a 377.  It
was introduced in 1957, and was produced until 1959, and the four speed
Dual Coupling Hydramatic was used during all thoes years.As for model, the
automatic was standard on the 98, and Super 88, but optional on the
Dynamic 88 (if I remember correctly).  The 371 was available in all models
exept in 1959 when the 394 became standard in the 98s and Super 88s, so
you could only get a 371 in the Dynamic 88.  So, basically without more
info it could have been pretty much anything between 1957 and 1959 (except
a '59 S88/98).
Hope this helps....

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:08:47 -0400
Subject: Wow, I feel a bit young.

All the three-in-the tree talk and talk of young people nwho have never
heard of them  is starting to make me wonder:  Am I the only 20yr old on
this list or thereabout that likes 70's oldsmobiles.  I mean, I know
their not c*m*ros or m****ngs, but I think they ROCK!!  Is anyone else
out there?  (BTW, middle-aged, defined as (Total Age/2) + or  - some
tolerance, E, can be greatly increased by owning more oldsmobiles, which
causes a longer, far more productive lifespan)



EA~

------------------------------

From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:09:01 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 Questions

Matt,
      What is the duration at .050 lift, and what lift does the cam have
and what degree of lobe seperation? Haow are you going to use the car?
That a lot of carburation! What diff ration and trans are going to run?
If auto what stall torque convertor? Is your ignition system up ti these
cylinder pressures? Lots of questions, but makes hot rodding fun!
Respond and I'll share what I know and I'm sure others will join in. I'm
just finishing my 455, going in a '67 4-4-2.
                                           Doug

------------------------------

From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:22:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Alpha One Merchandise

I just ordered one of the Aurora Pace Car 1/16th scale models.  If you
want one, you better order it today.  They are only making 2500 of
them.  It came in about 4 days and looks pretty sharp.

- -Dan

>
> I called Alpha One today to order a couple of the Olds anniversary items
> that were shown in the brochure they sent people who registered for the
> Centennial info a while back. If you want this stuff anytime soon you
> might want to order it now. I wanted a shirt: my ª1 choice was on
> backorder until May, ª2 on backorder until June. I wanted a cap: it too
> was on backorder.....

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:21:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Supercharger

At 10:56 PM 3/27/97 -0400, Aaron R. Weimer wrote:
>
>Ok all, here is a good question for you.  I have a 1972 442, W30, and I am
looking to put a supercharger on it.  One catch. I want an under the hood
supercharger, like the vortech that you can mount on Mustags..  Has anyone
attempted this?  Vortech says they don't offer them for carborated engines
but they tell me that it is possible and some people have successfully done
so.. Anyone have any info for first hand knowledge on this issue?  I wanted
to install this under the hood because I love the hood scoops and don't want
a nasty supercharger sticking out of my hood.. Thanks!

I know Paxton makes a carburated version for Mustangs. There is also going
to be an all electric supercharger out soon calles Superpac. It can be
turned on and off at demand by a switch on the dash. Supposed to give
~30-40% power gains. Not sure if it will be avaliable for carb setup though.by
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

------------------------------

From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:30:04 -0400
Subject: Oil Weight

Since spring is here, it is time to change the oil on the 442s and get
them out on the road.  I was just wondering what oil weight everyone
around here used for their Oldsmobiles.  I've always used 10W40, but I
seem to remember a lot of people who were 20W50 fans.

- -Dan

------------------------------

From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 02:28:04 -0400
Subject: Re: See my car

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> Saw the baby and she is pretty.
>
> Chris Sparks
> 68 442 (Still wounded and not being driven)

Guess the original post didn't make it to me.  Could you sent the URL?
Thanks.

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 OCA ª028044
 adcockjk@erols.com

 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8
 73K Miles, CC1, F41, LV2, N66
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html

+------------------------------------------------+

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:26:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

At 11:08 PM 3/27/97 -0400, Eric Aksomitis wrote:
>All the three-in-the tree talk and talk of young people nwho have never
>heard of them  is starting to make me wonder:  Am I the only 20yr old on
>this list or thereabout that likes 70's oldsmobiles.

No. I just turned 25 and like 70's Oldsmobiles

>I mean, I know their not c*m*ros or m****ngs, but I think they ROCK!!

Camaro's rock too, Mustangs uhhh sorta rock.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

------------------------------

From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:33:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

Eric,
     I'm glad there's guys your age interested in these classics. My 23
year old son is also, his first experiece with a "standard" was a '66
mustang, with a floor shifted 3 speed. I didn't realize his lack of the
basics of cars till I told him to move the customers Mustang and he,
being an eager 18 year old, jumped in, put the shifter i 1st!! and took
off backwards across the parking lot!! I wish I had a video of the look
on his face! Anyway, he's into the classics too.
                              Doug

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:31:34 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 Questions

At 09:25 AM 3/27/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Howdy All,
>
>I have a technical question about a 455 that is over my head.  Here it is:
>
>My current motor has TRW High compression pistons, which I imagine
>are giving me somewhere in the neighborhood or 9.3 -9.5:1 compression.
> So I have been told by some of the folks on the list.

Whoa!!! You *might* have more than that, or less, depending on the size of
your combustion chambers, whether the heads have been cut, deck height, etc.
Check the cc's of these components, and calculate your *actual* compression
ratio. It'd be a shame to guess on that one critical component of your
engine, since you put so much time and $$$ into it otherwise.

>I am using an Elgin
>292/320 duration cam that is specified for 10:1 compression or higher.
>Bought this cam because I actually believed the advertising.  I would like
>to keep the motor on pumped gas 92 - 93 Octane.  Will I feel any

That's a lot of duration, so until the intake gas speeds are way up there,
you're not going to be getting a lot of cylinder pressure, and thus not much
hp, until around 3,000-4,000 rpm. If this is going in a boat, however,
that's the kind of range you'd be running it in anyhow, right?

>performance difference If I put a milder cam in?  I been told that the lack
>of compression possibly can't overcome the overlap in the
>Intake/exhaust sharing gases.  Would I be better of to get a cam that
>doesn't have as much overlap?

If your compression ratio *is* actually higher, you may lose a lot of power
you could otherwise have with a longer-duration cam.

>The power range I need is from 2500 - 5500 and I am using an Offy
>Tunnel ram with dual quads.

The Offy tunnel-ram reportedly has smaller diameter runners than some
all-out tunnel-rams, so you could be making power in that general vicinity
with a not-too-wild cam.

As much as I usually don't like to give this advice, this is one case where
you should call Mondello and see what he recommends for a camshaft. Measure
your *actual* compression ratio before you do so; otherwise, getting the
best cam for your combination would be a matter of dumb luck (and therefore,
not very likely).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:53:13 -0400
Subject: oldsmobile anniversary

Any Olds owners going to Lansing this summer from the Texas areas
through Oklahoma. A lot of Okla. Olds lovers are planning to meet up and
convoy together. If anyone would like to meet up in Okc and travel with
us maybe we could plan a party or mini cruise one night and then go
together. I'm going to make my shop available for helping any one
traveling to make any last minute adjustments or small repairs, so
e-mail and lets start planning.
                          Doug, '67 4-4-2 (Okc, Ok)

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:03:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

>All the three-in-the tree talk and talk of young people nwho have never
>heard of them  is starting to make me wonder:  Am I the only 20yr old on
>this list or thereabout that likes 70's oldsmobiles.

Nope.  I'm nineteen and driving a `72 Vista-Cruiser that my mom used to.  Of
course it's been through somewhat of a resurection and minor modification.
I also just reccently purchased a `67 Cutlass Supreme holiday coupe that's
going to get a restification this summer.  I also work on dad's `28 f*rd
model A project car from time to time.  (Hey, *any* car that lives to be 69
is cool IMHO)

>I mean, I know
>their not c*m*ros or m****ngs, but I think they ROCK!!
                                   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

"But I think"?  Don't you mean "so of course" they ROCK!!  :)
.....My Vista-Cruiser has been known to spank a stock mustang or camaro from
time to time.  (Allthough I'd rather not recall the time I mistook that 5.0
for a plain jane poser.)

And while we're on the subject of youngsters.  I was driving one night with
some friends in the car when one of them asked how I was dimming the lights
without using my hands.  On another occasion one of my ex-roomates thought
it was wierd that my car has dual exhaust.  These people have been around
tauruses and camrys too long.

Oh well.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:53:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Oil Weight

Dan Williams wrote:
>
> Since spring is here, it is time to change the oil on the 442s and get
> them out on the road.  I was just wondering what oil weight everyone
> around here used for their Oldsmobiles.  I've always used 10W40, but I
> seem to remember a lot of people who were 20W50 fans.
>
> -Dan

Dan,

I use 20w50 because of the heat in AL.  We see 100 degree temps part of
the summer & fall.  Winters are in the 40-50 degree range.  Yoiu might
not see these temps.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:57:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

Jason Labay wrote:
>
> >I mean, I know their not c*m*ros or m****ngs, but I think they ROCK!!
>
> Camaro's rock too, Mustangs uhhh sorta rock.
> - - - - - - - - - - -

Jason,

What's that advertisement, "Chevies built by a rock?"

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:15:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Supercharger

>. There is also going
>to be an all electric supercharger out soon calles Superpac. It can be
>turned on and off at demand by a switch on the dash. Supposed to give
>~30-40% power gains.

Yep.  You can get 5psi boost at the flip of a switch.  I saw the spec sheet
on one but I didn't have any time to really take it in.  I rememer the price
being >$5000 though. And I don't remember the exact figure but they draw a
bunch of current.  I know I'd have to replace my ancient alternator if I got
one.  I'm not sure $1000 per pound of boost is worth it either.  Aren't most
small belt driven superchargers capable of at least 7-8 lb?  I also wonder
how long the little motor in the thing will last, esp. if an overheating or
misfire condition develops.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:15:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Computer ERROR Codes

At 07:40 PM 3/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>How does one "clear the computer"?
>
>       Jim Townsend
>
Jim

        Disconnect the battery for about 15 minutes and it will clear the
memory. Restart the car and let it idle for 2-5 minutes and drive it. This
will clear all codes in the computers up to 96.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442>

------------------------------

From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:21:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

> > >I mean, I know their not c*m*ros or m****ngs, but I think they ROCK!!
> >
> > Camaro's rock too, Mustangs uhhh sorta rock.
>
> Jason,
>
> What's that advertisement, "Chevies built by a rock?"

Actually, I think that was "Chevy...built -with- a rock."  :)
Just kidding.  I'm hardly one to talk since my daily driver is a...dare I
say the C word....Camaro.

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:24:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Oil Weight

> Since spring is here, it is time to change the oil on the 442s and get
> them out on the road.  I was just wondering what oil weight everyone
> around here used for their Oldsmobiles.  I've always used 10W40, but I
> seem to remember a lot of people who were 20W50 fans.

Around here, I've been using 10W-30 in my cars year round with no
problems.  Even when it hits serious negative temps they start ok.  I
usually put 5W-30 in my friends 4 cyl. cars, mostly because thats what the
manfr. recomends.  It can get up over 100 in the summer up here, so I
guess 10W-40 might not be a bad idea when it really heats up, but I've
never had any problems with the 30.  In areas where temps stay up over
say, 100 degrees it would probibly be prudent to go with the heavier oil
just as a precaution.  I always use Havoline too.  I've never had any
problems with it, and it's what my dads been using since the 60s, so I
guess I just sort of picked it up from him.

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:32:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

Scott R Clark wrote:
>
>         Actually, I think that was "Chevy...built -with- a rock."  :)
> Just kidding.  I'm hardly one to talk since my daily driver is a...dare I
> say the C word....Camaro.
>
>                                 Scott
>                         1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

Scott,

I found that Greg Ludlam is a Yankee & now you drive a %$ª@.  What is
going on in the world today.  I even found that the War of Northern
Aggression isn't at half-time as my grandmother always told me.  The
game is really over!

Since that I have found that you are a nice guy, I'll overlook it.  Just
don't tell my grandmother.  It will be her 95th birthday the 29th of
next month.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:37:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Supercharger

At 03:15 PM 3/27/97 -0400, Greg Pruett wrote:
>>. There is also going
>>to be an all electric supercharger out soon calles Superpac. It can be
>>turned on and off at demand by a switch on the dash. Supposed to give
>>~30-40% power gains.
>
>Yep.  You can get 5psi boost at the flip of a switch.  I saw the spec sheet
>on one but I didn't have any time to really take it in.  I rememer the price
>being >$5000 though.

I know that F-body kits will be around $2,900...I have been told so.......

  Aren't most small belt driven superchargers capable of at least 7-8 lb?

Yes, most guys I know with them on LT1's are running boost in that range
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:40:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

At 12:21 AM 3/28/97 -0400, Scott R Clark wrote:
>
>
>> > >I mean, I know their not c*m*ros or m****ngs, but I think they ROCK!!
>> >
>> > Camaro's rock too, Mustangs uhhh sorta rock.
>>
>> Jason,
>>
>> What's that advertisement, "Chevies built by a rock?"
>
>Actually, I think that was "Chevy...built -with- a rock."  :)
>Just kidding.  I'm hardly one to talk since my daily driver is a...dare I
>say the C word....Camaro.

Ahhh, nice to see I am not the only one on the list driving a Camaro as an
everyday driver:) My 88 Camaro was built with a rock, slow as can be
compared to my new baby. My 80 442 could have given that car a run for its
money - - - - - - - - - - - - Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio
F-body list since 5/95 93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC,
Mobil 1, Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts
(rear+t.s.) 80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346
made 75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 18:39:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Oil Weight

Scott R Clark wrote:
>
> > Since spring is here, it is time to change the oil on the 442s and get
> > them out on the road.  I was just wondering what oil weight everyone
> > around here used for their Oldsmobiles.  I've always used 10W40, but I
> > seem to remember a lot of people who were 20W50 fans.
>
>         Around here, I've been using 10W-30 in my cars year round with no
> problems.  Even when it hits serious negative temps they start ok.  I
> usually put 5W-30 in my friends 4 cyl. cars, mostly because thats what the
> manfr. recomends.  It can get up over 100 in the summer up here, so I
> guess 10W-40 might not be a bad idea when it really heats up, but I've
> never had any problems with the 30.  In areas where temps stay up over
> say, 100 degrees it would probibly be prudent to go with the heavier oil
> just as a precaution.  I always use Havoline too.  I've never had any
> problems with it, and it's what my dads been using since the 60s, so I
> guess I just sort of picked it up from him.
>
>                                 Scott
>                         1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

Scott,

I recommend Havoline also.  I can get it everywhere.  The price can be
very good.  It has never let me down.  I have one 1984 daily driver
w/150,000 mi on it which only used 1 qt in 2100 miles of trip to FL &
back.  The engine has never been apart except for a timing chain either.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:52:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

Eric Aksomitis wrote:
>
> All the three-in-the tree talk and talk of young people nwho have never
> heard of them  is starting to make me wonder:  Am I the only 20yr old on
> this list or thereabout that likes 70's oldsmobiles.  I mean, I know
> their not c*m*ros or m****ngs, but I think they ROCK!!  Is anyone else
> out there?  (BTW, middle-aged, defined as (Total Age/2) + or  - some
> tolerance, E, can be greatly increased by owning more oldsmobiles, which
> causes a longer, far more productive lifespan)
>
> EA~


Hey I am 22 and the '70 Cutlass Supreme has been my dream car since I
was 14. I love GM A bodys in general, but I always wanted a '70 Cutlass.
In my neighboorhood, most kids I went high school with were happy to
have whatever, but now this area has changed a bit and it seems like
every high school kid has a new mustang or camaro in the driveway. My
best friend is a Pontiac nut and he is the only other person I knew in
my age group who loved the A body's. Now I work for Andersen Consulting
and can afford to drive just about anything I want (well anything under
$60,000 anyway :), but I drive my '70 Cutlass by choice. If I could by a
brand new '70, man I'd pay thorough the nose to have one, but alas, the
'70 came and went before I was even a thought. Really cool thing is, non
of the cars these kids around here drive, can hold a candle to a 455. :)


Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"



".......You see, througout history there has been Catholics, Baptists,
and Jews. But my father, he was an Oldsmobile man....."

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:51:16 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

The Wiz has a point - they teach most (all?) to fly in something like a
Piper Cub, shouldn't everyone learn to drive in an old 6 cylinder, 3 on the
tree, with drum brakes,  lot of basics could be covered by one of those.

Lisa (Learned to drive in a '63 Nova with all of the above) Madsen
'67 Delta 88, '72 & '72 Vista Cruisers

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:47:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Dates, times, years, etc.

I  recently had a similar experience, a guy OLDER then me hit me up at my
favorite car wash (washed by hand, steamed, etc., a nice place) and kept
stressing my car (The VC) was a CLASSIC and after 14 repetitions I said
"technically not till next year, then it will be 25" and he says (a math
wizard like myself!) "It's definitely a 60-something" and I corrected him,
"no it's a '72" and he really looked surprised.
The girls at work actually thought it was only 4 or 5 years old, now they
were surprised.

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:48:45 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

How many of us 'age-impaired' individuals have driven those push button
shift cars?  We used to laugh in our drag racing days about using one of
those - what -  STABBING it into second gear?!

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:18:54 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

>The Wiz has a point - they teach most (all?) to fly in something like a
>Piper Cub, shouldn't everyone learn to drive in an old 6 cylinder, 3 on the
>tree, with drum brakes,  lot of basics could be covered by one of those.

Actually, in England you are required to take your driving test in a
standard shift car.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 01:12:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage

In a message dated 97-03-26 17:20:35 EST, you write:

<< What is the name of the company?  I'd be willing to bet that if we got a
 hold of them, they'd be willing to sell some of the cars and let us haul
 what we buy off for scrap price!!  If somebody can find the companies
 name, there are a couple of cars that I might ask them about! >>

That's not a bad idea...   It'd be just as good to pay them the prices of
scrap... take the parts off you want, then let them make a few more bucks by
taking the remainder of the car for scrap.  Could be some good money for them
(extra that is, and I'd even find some money to do something like this).

So is anybody going to make the phone calls?  Somebody in the area?

Chris Ruper
CRuper1@aol.com

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From: "Frank Gonzalez" <frank@tridentsound.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 01:36:29 -0400
Subject: Re: Supercharger

- ----------
a nasty supercharger sticking out of my hood.. Thanks!
>
> Aaron
> 1972, 4-4-2 W30
>
>
> Mark, this is one for you.  Do you know of anyone who has done this.
>
>

Remember that the small blower on the 5.0 and 5.7 will not produce as much
gain on a larger engine.You might need two of them to feed 455 cubic
inches.
This would run some serious dollars but would be different.Keeo us
informed.
Later,
 Frank
70 442
71 442 W-30 convt
72 Cutlass S
90 LSC

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 02:00:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

At 11:33 PM 3/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Eric,
>     I'm glad there's guys your age interested in these classics. My 23
>year old son is also, his first experiece with a "standard" was a '66
>mustang, with a floor shifted 3 speed. I didn't realize his lack of the
>basics of cars till I told him to move the customers Mustang and he,
>being an eager 18 year old, jumped in, put the shifter i 1st!! and took
>off backwards across the parking lot!! I wish I had a video of the look
>on his face! Anyway, he's into the classics too.
>                              Doug
>
>
For the next lesson try him out in a Model "T."  They are a blast to watch
with the unknowning, especially one with the 'that can drive anything on
wheels' attitude.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 01:57:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Oil Weight

At 11:30 PM 3/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Since spring is here, it is time to change the oil on the 442s and get
>them out on the road.  I was just wondering what oil weight everyone
>around here used for their Oldsmobiles.  I've always used 10W40, but I
>seem to remember a lot of people who were 20W50 fans.
>
>-Dan
>
>
It really doesn't matter, your engine can't tell the difference in the
summer time.  Those fancy multi-grades are for improved winter starting.
Use a single weight in the summer, the one your manufacturer recommends for
your summer driving conditions.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 02:02:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

At 05:57 PM 3/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Jason Labay wrote:
>>
>> >I mean, I know their not c*m*ros or m****ngs, but I think they ROCK!!
>>
>> Camaro's rock too, Mustangs uhhh sorta rock.
>> - - - - - - - - - - -
>
>Jason,
>
>What's that advertisement, "Chevies built by a rock?"
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>
>
Seems to me Mr. Rock built Oldsmobiles until a few months ago.

Anon. I

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 02:07:51 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

At 04:18 PM 3/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>The Wiz has a point - they teach most (all?) to fly in something like a
>>Piper Cub, shouldn't everyone learn to drive in an old 6 cylinder, 3 on the
>>tree, with drum brakes,  lot of basics could be covered by one of those.
>
>Actually, in England you are required to take your driving test in a
>standard shift car.
>
>Greg Pruett
>`72 Vista-Cruiser
>`67 Cutlass Supreme
>
>

Why?

Does that mean that one of these days you must either use a museum piece or
a Yugo?

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 02:06:39 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

At 12:48 AM 3/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>How many of us 'age-impaired' individuals have driven those push button
>shift cars?  We used to laugh in our drag racing days about using one of
>those - what -  STABBING it into second gear?!
>
>
>
I drove a 1960 Plymouth Fury Covertible when I was in college, and the push
button shift was always a blast.  But then so was the square steering wheel.

The Wiz

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:55:26 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

>>Actually, in England you are required to take your driving test in a
>>standard shift car.
>>
>
>Why?

I think it has something to do with the fact that about 80 or 90 percent of
the cars in England are standard shift.  Cars are expensive enough over
there after taxes and insurance, and gas is about $4 a gallon, so they try
to eek every last mpg out of their vehicles.  I guess they figure you can't
avoid driving a standard shift vehicle at some point so they make sure you
can handle one in stop and go traffic on hilly, narrow streets.  I saw
exactly two vehicles with automatics when I was there.  A decked out
mercedes and my uncle's nissan.  My uncle's car is an automatic only because
he is handicapped and drives with hand controls.

>Does that mean that one of these days you must either use a museum piece or
>a Yugo?

Um...don't follow.

>The Wiz

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67Cutlass Supreme

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 03:58:55 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

>>Does that mean that one of these days you must either use a museum piece or
>>a Yugo?
>
>Um...don't follow.
>
>>The Wiz
>
>Greg Pruett
>`72 Vista-Cruiser
>`67Cutlass Supreme
>

This was to say that the manual transmission is pretty much going the way of
the Dodo, at least in the an analagas(sp) sense.  I expect that in the U.S.
75% or more of the annual production is with automatics, ie, to drive one
puts us in a museum piece.  The Yugo reference came from Jugoslavias
president that dictated that the Yugo would only be built with a manual, as
the automatic transmission was to decadent or something.  Too many years
past for an exact translation, so I feel the paraphrase is close enough.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:11:06 -0400
Subject: Rare Cars?

There has been a lot of bantering about just how rare some cars are!  There
are so many options available that it is possible for a manufacturer to
build and entire years production and not make any two of them the same.
Let us say that in 1970 no two cars were ordered/or/built the same at the
favorite Oldsmobile; ie, all optioned differently.

This would make no one car any rarer than any other.  Just because they only
built about 3000 4-4-2 Convertibles that year, any one would certainly not
be any rarer than say any Cutlass S Holiday Coupe, where the production was
about 90,000; as each one was unique, and therefore no more common than
another.

Last fall I went to visit seven cars, luckily all in the Pennsylvania to
Maine corridor, and of these seven cars, they represented 3 different
models.  Total R.H.D. production (there were a few more L.H.D. for export).
Production of these cars was 131, 79 and 69 for a total of 279 units.  Of
these 279 I am aware of fewer than 20 existant.  What to talk rare.

Bill Culp, the Buick in that "S.I.A." article you so kindly forwarded to me
was one of the 79.  Sort of interesting when numbers can become semantics.

The Wiz

P.S. I would be willing to bet that excluding fleet cars, that a very large
percentage of Olds' 1970 production was in fact unique.

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:24:50 -0400
Subject: Steve Ochs are you listening

Steve,

I read your electrical treatise with great interest.  I would certainly not
care to argue any aspects of this data either in application or theory.  My
electrical experience was totally hands on.  The first time I saw 460v three
phase was when I was replacing a motor on a 3" pump oil pump.  I pulled all
the cartridges out of the starter box before I even thought about looking at
the wires.

And this brings me to the practical side of your discussion.  Our 3 phase
was 460v, and the 3 phase at the bindery where I did some computer work was
230v.  I've never heard of 440v or 220v 3 phase.  Am I out of wack, or is
there 440/220 or was that one of those typo type numbers.  People call one
side of the electric in their house 110v, and I just got out my Simpson
meter and am checking the outlet near my computer and it is running a 119v
right now.  And, of course, this is not one of those hot sultry summer days
where every air conditioner in the world is on, and when can we get a lot of
IR drop due to the load; so it is probably pretty close to the power
companies low load transmission value.

Also, don't take this as a flame, as it is PURE curiosity.  For one thing
you see, in Missouri, curiosity is allowed; sort of our state motto.  I
guess I am a bit gun shy after that tranmission blast earlier.

The Wiz

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