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oldsmobile-digest        Thursday, 20 February 1997     Volume 01 : Number 526

Re: 350 engines, tell me...
RE: Pronouncing 442
455 Rocket
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: Olds Starfire curiosities
72 HURST OLDS
Re: 1976 oldsmobile delta 88 royale
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re[2]: Lightning Rod Shifter
1966 and 67 Cutlas/442 Dash Design Problem
Re: Olds list archives (fwd)
'59 88 and '62 Starfire questions
Re: Hurst/Olds
Re: 1976 oldsmobile delta 88 royale
Re: 72 HURST OLDS
Re: '59 88 and '62 Starfire questions
Re: Olds list archives (fwd)
RE: 1966 and 67 Cutlas/442 Dash Design Problem
Drink holders
RE: Pronouncing 442
Re: '59 88 and '62 Starfire questions
HEI Headaches...
Re: Drink holders
RE: 72 HURST OLDS
RE: Pronouncing 442
Re: '59 88 and '62 Starfire questions
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: HEI Headaches...
Re: HEI Headaches...
Re: Drink holders
Re: HEI Headaches... -Reply
Re: Drink holders -Reply
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: HEI Headaches... -Reply
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: block sizes revisited - the mini series
Re: Drink holders
Re: Olds list archives (fwd)
Re: Drink holders
Re: Olds Starfire curiosities
Re: Drink holders
Lotsa Stuff
Re[2]: Drink holders
Re: Drink holders
Re: Lotsa Stuff

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:01:38 -0400
Subject: Re: 350 engines, tell me...

At 11:36 PM 2/19/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> what year would you say olds produced the best 350 engine, and what
>> makes it so?
>>
>> I am asking because I noticed that in 1972, the 350 olds had a 7/16 head
bolt >> on it.  what's the difference? > >The best for what purpose? I like
68-70 because of the high compression >and high nickel content in the block.
Also, I do not know which year it >was but the blocks started have thinner
walls and smaller webbing.

The Olds 350's come in a few basic varieties:

1968-1972: Smaller combustion chambers, strong blocks, possibility of
Nodular Iron cranks (a close second to the forged cranks that the  330's
used). Four-speed 4-bbl engines had pretty decent camshafts. No EGR. Of
course, if you get a W-31, you've got a pretty great engine right from the
factory. The '68-'69 heads used a smaller exhaust valve than the later
units. The high-compression pistons will make any of these a
high-compression motor. 7/16" head bolts.

1973-1976: Larger combustion chambers, small intake and exhaust valves. EGR
intakes, but the #8 heads were not too restrictive (compared to later
units). Block is still relatively strong, with solid main webs. No more
nodular iron crankshafts, but HEI ignitions on the later units are the best
street setup. You need earlier heads to get high compression, even with
high-compression pistons. 7/16" head bolts

1977-1980: Large combustion chambers, small ports, EGR, low compression.
They did, however, have 1/2" head bolts (in common with the 403's and diesel
350's), though the windowed mains on the block make these the weakest
engines to start a performance rebuild from. In reality, however, you're not
likely to blow out the bottom end of this motor on the street below 6000rpm.

There were also the D- and DX-block diesel 350's that are the heaviest duty
around, and which had 1/2" head bolts, but that's another story (didn't we
cover that topic a couple weeks ago?).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:16:33 -0400
Subject: RE: Pronouncing 442

OK, just to add fuel to the fire is:

442 correct when typeing or you could say " four hundred fourty two"

                        or

4-4-2  Do I say "four dash four dash two"  ????? Help me out here.

Bobby
70 442 (I will use this "442" since that is how it is on my car)



______________________________________________________________________________
_ From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Thu, Feb 20, 1997 9:52 AM Subject: Re:
Pronouncing 442 To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

In a message dated 97-02-20 09:09:40 EST, you write:

>I have owned my 4-4-2 since October 16, 1973.  Ever since that wonderful
>day I have been correcting people that called it a four fourty two or
>called the engine a 442 cid.  Oldsmobile calls it a four four two and
>that settles that.
>
>
>Dave Wyatt
>70  4-4-2

Dave, Thank you for the reinforcement!  I have been trying to get this clear
for two days.  As you folks can now see, I am not some nit-picker, it is a
question of being correct or not. If we can argue about door lock buttons, we
can discuss the proper way to say the  car's name.   Ed   Escape442@aol.com


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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:58:44 -0400
Subject: 455 Rocket

Here are the guitar chords to Kathy Mattea's 455 Rocket if anybody is
interested!

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu


On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, COWPIE News wrote:

> 455 Rocket
> ------------------------
> Written by Gillian Welch and David Rawlings
> Performed by Kathy Mattea on "Love Travels" in the key of C
> Submitted by Ken Arnold
>
> Intro:  C  C  C  C  C  C  C  C
>
> C
>    Mr. Smith had an Oldsmobile
> F
>    Baby blue with wire wheels
> C                                        G7
>    He took her home the day that she was advertised
> C
>    He said she leaked when it would rain
> F
>    Sounded like an aeroplane
> C                     G7            C
>    But I knew she was a jewel in disguise
>
> G7           C   F
>    She had a 455 Rocket
>
>    The biggest block alive
> C                                    G7
>    I couldn't hardly wait just to take my turn
> C
>    She was made for the straight aways
> F
>    She grew up hatin' Chevrolets
> C                 G7               C      G7
>    She's a rocket, she was made to burn
>
> C
>    Well whose junkpile piece of Chevelle is this?
> F
>    Did you Boys come here to race or just kiss?
> C                        G7
> Hmmm   Don't you want to know what I got underneath my hood?
> C
>    I know she might sound like she's missing
> F
>    But buddy, she could teach you a lesson
> C                    G7                       C
>    In just a quarter mile, and I'll smoke you good
>
> G7       C   F
>    In my 455 rocket
>
>    The kind the police drive
> C                                    G7
>    I couldn't hardly wait just to take my turn
> C
>    She was made for the straight aways
> F
>    She grew up hatin' Chevrolets
> C                 G7                C       G7
>    She's a rocket,  she was made to burn
>
> Interlude:   C  C  F  F  C  C  G7  G7  C  C  F  F  C  G7  C  G7
>
> C
>    I'm telling you and I ain't ashamed
> F
>    I cried when that wrecker came
> C                               G7
>    As we skid I thought I heard angels sing
> C
>    We hit the curve and began to sail
> F
>    Took out most the safety rail
> C                          G7                  C
>    Even the cop asked me, "Man what'd you have in that thing?"
>
> G7         C   F
>    I had a 455 rocket
>
>    The very kind you drive
> C                                        G7
>    You oughta watch yourself when you take that turn
> C
>    She was made for the straight aways
> F
>    She grew up hatin' Chevrolets
> C                 G7               C
>    She's a rocket, she was made to burn, burn
> C                     G7                C

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From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@cadvansys.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:11:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

Clayton Pierce wrote:
>
> On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 Escape442@aol.com wrote:
> > Guys, This why I have been harping on this subject.  The factory did such
a > > lousy job of  making clear what the designations meant, that it is up to
us > > Actually, I think that is more the fault of the ineptness of some
people > rather than the factories.  If it was the fault of the different >
corporations, then they ALL had these problems.  Its sometimes hard to >
convince people that a friends' Ford Mustang GT350 doesn't have a 350cid >
motor in it!  (DUHHHH!!) > > Clayton Pierce, > zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu > >
> to make it clear.  Some guys have been complaining that I am nit-picking,
but > > given your examples, you make my point.  Thanks, Four-Four-Two   Ed >
>   Escape442@aol.com > > > >


Are you guys saying that people mis-pronounce 442?  I don't get how
anyone could get confused about it.  If they pronounce it wrong, they
get corrected.  End of story.  There is no argument.  Is that what you
are saying?

						Gerald Hughes

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 10:59:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

Seeing as the nameplate attached to some of them, at least the early
ones, have the numbers cast into separate segments (e.g. separate
digits, separate "boxes" cast around each digit, etc.), it sure looks
like the correct pronunciation would likewise be as separate digits.
Compare with how "Z/28" or "300ZX" is shown...

>GIVE IT A REST!!!!!
>I, and I'm sure other list members, could, at this point, care a lot less
>how you pronounce 442!

That should read "could _not_ care less"...

Oh, and it's "supercalifragilisticexpialidocious."

So there.  :-)

- --Andy, still stuck in digest mode...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 05:09:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

Dave Paulison wrote:
>
	<snip>
>
> Just because someone may not be able to spell
> superkalafragilisticexpialadocious  doesn't mean they
> don't know anything about Mary Poppins.
>
> --
> Dave Paulison

Dave,

Now that is interesting.  Is there something to know about Mary Poppins
that we don't know already?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 05:15:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Starfire curiosities

sguiller@stumail.engr.udayton.edu wrote:
>
> Ok guys, I'm a new member here.  I joined because I've been thinking
> about building up a '65 Olds Stafire.  Yeah, I'm sure you think its a
> real oddball, but I think it would make a good runner and a hell of a
> cruiser.  Does anybody out there have experience with these "bucket
> seat luxury - performance" cars? Before I start on the project,
> though , I've got a few questions:
> Mine has the (TH400?) console shift auto trans.  I know the four
> speed was available, but does anyone know where I can find the
> complete setup to bolt it in? Will a Cutless or Four-Four-Two, etc., setup
> work?  Did these utilize the Muncie M21's or
> M22 's, or some other trans?
> How can I tell what ratio rear I have -- is there a particular code
> stamped on the carrier for ratio, etc.?
> Anybody out there have a rust free dog - house or a nice, complete
> dash (mine is missing the entire assembly!)
> I know this seems like a hopeless project, but its really not that
> bad (plus I can buy it for virtually nothing! A big enticement)
> Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated-- I'm new to
> the world of Olds.
>                                                             Thanks,
>                                                 Shaun R. Guillermin
>

Shaun,

Welcome to the world of Olds.  That is certainly a luxurious cruiser you
have there.  I would buy a 1961 version of that car anytime & amy begin
to look for one later this year.

I may find one of these in a junque yarde this spring if that helps on
parts.  I do live in AL though & you may find what you want near to
home.  4-speeds would be very expensive to find for your car & the
little parts such as console items & shifter may be nearly impossible.
I would not stop looking though as they are always somewhere.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Joey Steffen <jmsteffen@midlink.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:45:20 -0400
Subject: 72 HURST OLDS

HOW DO I TRACE DOWN ORIGINAL OWNER

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 05:29:04 -0400
Subject: Re: 1976 oldsmobile delta 88 royale

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:

	<snip>

 In general, most of the vehicles
> seen at car shows are #3."
>
> Like I said, I bet yours is #3.
>
> Dan
>

Dan,

Thanks for explaining the car condition code.  Most of us do overrate
our cars & may even overrate a car we intend to buy.  That costs money.
To be honest, a new car trailered to a car show usually would not be
able to compete for best of show at a national meet.  That sounds crazy,
but the outstanding cars are completely massaged from front to rear; top
to bottom.  An excellent local car show winner is usually not more than
a #2 car.

Most of us could not build a #1 car because of our expertise,
dedication, & cost.  In summary, cars are not worth as much as most of
us think.  Perfection is noticeable when found & costs extreme money.
#3 cars are fun, #2 cars are a little worrisome, & #1 cars will keep you
up at nights thinking about the humidity in your garage.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:39:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

S T O P

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 03:32:51 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Lightning Rod Shifter

     There's an explanation in the FAQ about the lightning rod operation.
     I haven't found them to be fragile at all.  I've taken mine apart for
     cleaning and lubing before and they look very well built and very
     sturdy.  The plastic shifter bezel on the other hand. . .

     Somebody told me a while back that Hurst was still selling parts to
     these, and could rebuild them if you sent one in.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Lightning Rod Shifter Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    2/19/97 4:50 PM

 As to how they work, I only have a rough idea. Perhaps someone who
owns an H/o with them could explain it better.  But left shifter has
 PArk, Neutral, Overdrive?, drive. Middle shifter shifts from 2nd to 3rd,
and far right shifts from 1st to 2nd.
 Supposedly they also were prone to breaking alot.  That doesn't
bother me, they still look cool and I hope to get one for my Cutlass,
eventually.

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From: "JOHN L. BERENYI" <berenyi@texas.dseg.ti.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:47:39 -0400
Subject: 1966 and 67 Cutlas/442 Dash Design Problem

I have found over the years that the dashes on these cars are very hard
to find fully intact.  Specifically, I'm talking about the plastic screw
mounts.  With time and heat they disintegrate.  The one that always goes
bad are the three screws for the heat control unit.  These bosses on
every model I have seen are broken.  This is readily seen by witnessing
the face of the control panel inside the vehicle.  They tend to be
pushed in on one corner or are loose fitting.  Has anyone had any
experience with repairing these themselves or finding an outfit that
does this sort of work.  Once the plastic bosses are destroyed either
news ones I would think could be plastic welded in or some major
re-engineering would have to take plastic.  This design flaw on Old's
part has really bugged me over time.  Being an Engineer myself I can't
stand anything plastic...especially for mounting purposes.  Would love
to hear feed back on this issue.


John Berenyi

berenyi@texas.dseg.ti.com

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From: Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:54:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds list archives (fwd)

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>

>Can someone provide me with some clarity on what to tell this person?

>Greg Beaulieu

I sent him a direct email.

>>    I forget who maintains the archives list ("corncob" is
>>    in the email address), but since about 2 weeks ago I haven't been able
>>    to access the archives "The requested URL .... was not found on this
>>    server."  Do you know what's up with that?  Can you please forward my
>>    message to the appropriate person?

>>    Pete Gaydos

Well, we are in the midwest here, but calling calcon.net "corncob" is a
stretch. :-)

Anybody else having problems reaching this site?

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-Speed
see the archvies at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:49:25 -0400
Subject: '59 88 and '62 Starfire questions

Hello all,

I've been offered a '62 Starfire for $300 or the owner is willing to trade
for my '72 Merc. with the 429.  I don't know if it runs or not, and I
don't know much about the condition of the car.  Personally, I think that
the 429 is worth more than that, but I would like some opinions.  The 429
has 110k miles on it, never been rebuilt, doesn't smoke, the body of the
car its in is all to h*ll.

Also, I've been offered a '59 Dynamic 88 2 door sedan which is complete
but needs restoration for either $500, or I might be able to work out the
same deal for the Merc.  Opinions on this?  I again, don't know if it runs
or not, and don't know what the overall condition is.

If I decide to take a look at these, what specific things should I be sure
to look for.  I am expecting some rust, but where should I watch out the
most for rust on either vehicle.  What are some good points of these, and
what are some bad points.  What engines should these have?  I'm just
trying to gather some info. before I go to take a look at these cars.  I
won't be willing to trade my Merc. for anything that isn't "worth" it.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:50:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Hurst/Olds

Gerald Hughes wrote:

    +===========================================+
    | Thomas G. Stoner                          |
    | Senior Computer Systems Specialist        |
    | MCIT - Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation |
    | University of Michigan Medical Center     |
    | Ann Arbor, Michigan                       |
    | tgstoner@umich.edu                        |
    +===========================================+

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:03:27 -0400
Subject: Re: 1976 oldsmobile delta 88 royale

At 05:29 AM 2/20/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Most of us could not build a #1 car because of our expertise,
>dedication, & cost.  In summary, cars are not worth as much as most of
>us think.

This is certainly true of the cars we own!

>#3 cars are fun, #2 cars are a little worrisome, & #1 cars will keep you
>up at nights thinking about the humidity in your garage.

Bill,

Exactly.  If I had a #1 car, I'd wouldn't even want to keep it at home.  It
would need to be under glass in a museum.


**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
**************************************

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:22:37 -0400
Subject: Re: 72 HURST OLDS

At 02:45 PM 2/20/97 -0400, you wrote:

>HOW DO I TRACE DOWN ORIGINAL OWNER

Depends.  On a lot of things.  What information do you already have?  Do
you at least have the name of the person who owned it before you did?  If
so, you could ask him who _he_ bought it from, find that person, ask him
the same question, and so on until you find the original purchaser.

More likely is that, if the car has had a number of owners, going backwards
like I described above will come to a halt the first time you can't locate
one of the owners or the first time one of them doesn't remember because it
was so long ago.  Then you can try tracing the ownership history backwards
using information on the car's title.  Here in Ohio, each title has on it
the number of the previous Ohio title (assuming, of course, that the
previous owner titled the car in Ohio).  That number indicates which county
issued the title, so you can call the title bureau in that county to see
who owned the car with that title number.  If that person bought the car
from somebody else who lived in Ohio, that copy of the previous title will
have on it the number of the previous previous (if you know what I mean)
title, and so on and so forth.  Keep going backwards as far as you can
until something else halts you, such as for example the car being brought
in from out of state.  Then you might have to start calling title agencies
in other states.

I once tried to trace back the ownership of the '64 Jetstar 88 I used to
own.  I spent one fine summer morning on the phone calling places all over
the state.  I eventually determined that the car had had at least 10 owners
between 1980 and when I bought it in 1991.  It even had changed hands three
times in one year (1989).  During all of this time, though, the car stayed
in Ohio (although it moved all over the state), so it was fairly easy to
keep stepping backwards from title agency to title agency with old title
numbers.

I never did determine the original owner, though, because the most distant
(in the past) title I could find, the one dated 1980, did not have a
previous title number on it.  The title clerk told me that that usually
indicated that the previous title had been lost, and therefore a new title
had to be created before the car could be sold.  She was able to give me
the name on the previous title and the last known address, but I could
never reach that person either by phone or mail.  (The phone was never
answered, even though I tried calling over several weeks, and a letter I
sent went unanswered).  I live 200 miles away, so I wasn't in a position to
 go to the address personally and knock on the door.  I wasn't sure I
should anyway, since these people might just not want to be bothered.

I don't know what state you're in, but, depending you have in your
possession already, I'd at least examine your current title to see what it
can tell you.  Then start making phone calls.  You might also check other
literature, if any, that came with your car.  If you have the original
owner's manual or other glove-box documents that came with the car, one of
them might have the original purchaser's name written on it.  You might get
lucky.

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:24:05 -0400
Subject: Re: '59 88 and '62 Starfire questions

At 11:49 AM 2/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I've been offered a '62 Starfire for $300 or the owner is willing to trade
>for my '72 Merc. with the 429.  I don't know if it runs or not, and I
>don't know much about the condition of the car.  Personally, I think that
>the 429 is worth more than that, but I would like some opinions.  The 429
>has 110k miles on it, never been rebuilt, doesn't smoke, the body of the
>car its in is all to h*ll.
>
>Also, I've been offered a '59 Dynamic 88 2 door sedan which is complete
>but needs restoration for either $500, or I might be able to work out the
>same deal for the Merc.  Opinions on this?  I again, don't know if it runs
>or not, and don't know what the overall condition is.

How about BOTH cars for the Merc?



**************************************
Daniel A. Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
**************************************

------------------------------

From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:40:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds list archives (fwd)

>From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
>
>>Can someone provide me with some clarity on what to tell this person?
>
>>Greg Beaulieu
>
>I sent him a direct email.
>
>>>    I forget who maintains the archives list ("corncob" is
>>>    in the email address), but since about 2 weeks ago I haven't been able
>>>    to access the archives "The requested URL .... was not found on this
>>>    server."  Do you know what's up with that?  Can you please forward my
>>>    message to the appropriate person?
>
>>>    Pete Gaydos
>
>Well, we are in the midwest here, but calling calcon.net "corncob" is a
>stretch. :-)
>
>Anybody else having problems reaching this site?
>
>-Jeff
>jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
>
>1970  442  4-Speed
>see the archvies at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

I can get to the "corncob" zone from the left coast...

I "looks" like they have the wrong URL!!!


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From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:46:43 -0400
Subject: RE: 1966 and 67 Cutlas/442 Dash Design Problem

I was just reading in one of my old mag's how to do this. The guy used a
plastic straw (cut to the correct height) and put it over the broken stud. He
then filled it with some kind of plastic liquid. I will check the mag tonight
to get the details.

Bobby

70 442 (Escape Back to the.... Past)
______________________________________________________________________________
_ From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Thu, Feb 20, 1997 11:00 AM Subject: 1966
and 67 Cutlas/442 Dash Design Problem To: Olds Digest

I have found over the years that the dashes on these cars are very hard
to find fully intact.  Specifically, I'm talking about the plastic screw
mounts.  With time and heat they disintegrate.  The one that always goes
bad are the three screws for the heat control unit.  These bosses on
every model I have seen are broken.  This is readily seen by witnessing
the face of the control panel inside the vehicle.  They tend to be
pushed in on one corner or are loose fitting.  Has anyone had any
experience with repairing these themselves or finding an outfit that
does this sort of work.  Once the plastic bosses are destroyed either
news ones I would think could be plastic welded in or some major
re-engineering would have to take plastic.  This design flaw on Old's
part has really bugged me over time.  Being an Engineer myself I can't
stand anything plastic...especially for mounting purposes.  Would love
to hear feed back on this issue.


John Berenyi

berenyi@texas.dseg.ti.com


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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:20:10 -0400
Subject: Drink holders

     Okay, this may sound like a silly question, but has anyone found a
     good place for a drink holder in a G-body cutlass w/ a center console?
      I think figuring out how to hold a drink in one of these is one of
     the great mysteries of life.  If anyone has had any success, please
     let me know where you put it, and what type you used.

     I could probably rig something up over the ashtray (I don't use it),
     but I've got this nasty mental picture of a nice sticky Coke/root
     beer/slurpee/milkshake spilling forward into the lightning rods--EEK!

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

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From: Frank Boerger <FBoerger@compuserve.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:38:16 -0400
Subject: RE: Pronouncing 442

Remember the good old days when we calmly discussed the effects of
"water-wetter" and whether high oil pressure could wear out bearings ???

Digest Frank Boerger//Tallahassee/FL

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:42:07 -0400
Subject: Re: '59 88 and '62 Starfire questions

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
>
> How about BOTH cars for the Merc?
>
I'd probably go for that, but sorry, they are owned by different owners.

Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

------------------------------

From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:48:59 -0400
Subject: HEI Headaches...

I'm still in the process of troubleshooting my HEI system, and I'm starting to
get frustrated.  When this topic came up several months ago, someone
(Bob?) mentioned that the original voltage regulator should be replaced for
a newer electronic one.  How do I tell the stinkin' difference between the
original style and the replacement one?  The one that came off my car sure
looks original.  It's got a capacitor and two strange little spring-like
things on the bottom.  It's also crunched pretty badly on one side.  I took it
to the parts store and had it tested, but they said it was fine... which I
find hard to believe.  I'd apreciate any light that could be shed on these
things... Thanks.

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:49:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Drink holders

Hey Tom,

I've got a console in my '84 with that 350 in it.  The solution that I've
found is to move away from the console entirely!  They make a small
cupholder that has a little metal thing coming off of it that is supposed
to slide down between the window and the door.  Now, it seems that a
G-bodies interior door panels are a bit wider than average because, it
doesn't fit the greatest.  I bent it a bit though, and it slides right
into place.  Works perfectly.  Better yet, I bought it at the local Dollar
Store for, you guessed it, a dollar.

Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Tom Lentz wrote:

>
>      Okay, this may sound like a silly question, but has anyone found a
>      good place for a drink holder in a G-body cutlass w/ a center console?
>       I think figuring out how to hold a drink in one of these is one of
>      the great mysteries of life.  If anyone has had any success, please
>      let me know where you put it, and what type you used.
>
>      I could probably rig something up over the ashtray (I don't use it),
>      but I've got this nasty mental picture of a nice sticky Coke/root
>      beer/slurpee/milkshake spilling forward into the lightning rods--EEK!
>
>      Tom Lentz
>      tlentz@teknon.com
>
>

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From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:02:43 -0400
Subject: RE: 72 HURST OLDS

Also, if you have the "build sheet" the dealer that the car was sold to is on
there. If the dealer is still around you might ckeck to see if they can help.

Bobby

70 442 (Escape Back to the....Past)
______________________________________________________________________________
_ From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Thu, Feb 20, 1997 11:29 AM Subject: Re:
72 HURST OLDS To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

At 02:45 PM 2/20/97 -0400, you wrote:

>HOW DO I TRACE DOWN ORIGINAL OWNER

Depends.  On a lot of things.  What information do you already have?  Do
you at least have the name of the person who owned it before you did?  If
so, you could ask him who _he_ bought it from, find that person, ask him
the same question, and so on until you find the original purchaser.

More likely is that, if the car has had a number of owners, going backwards
like I described above will come to a halt the first time you can't locate
one of the owners or the first time one of them doesn't remember because it
was so long ago.  Then you can try tracing the ownership history backwards
using information on the car's title.  Here in Ohio, each title has on it
the number of the previous Ohio title (assuming, of course, that the
previous owner titled the car in Ohio).  That number indicates which county
issued the title, so you can call the title bureau in that county to see
who owned the car with that title number.  If that person bought the car
from somebody else who lived in Ohio, that copy of the previous title will
have on it the number of the previous previous (if you know what I mean)
title, and so on and so forth.  Keep going backwards as far as you can
until something else halts you, such as for example the car being brought
in from out of state.  Then you might have to start calling title agencies
in other states.

I once tried to trace back the ownership of the '64 Jetstar 88 I used to
own.  I spent one fine summer morning on the phone calling places all over
the state.  I eventually determined that the car had had at least 10 owners
between 1980 and when I bought it in 1991.  It even had changed hands three
times in one year (1989).  During all of this time, though, the car stayed
in Ohio (although it moved all over the state), so it was fairly easy to
keep stepping backwards from title agency to title agency with old title
numbers.

I never did determine the original owner, though, because the most distant
(in the past) title I could find, the one dated 1980, did not have a
previous title number on it.  The title clerk told me that that usually
indicated that the previous title had been lost, and therefore a new title
had to be created before the car could be sold.  She was able to give me
the name on the previous title and the last known address, but I could
never reach that person either by phone or mail.  (The phone was never
answered, even though I tried calling over several weeks, and a letter I
sent went unanswered).  I live 200 miles away, so I wasn't in a position to
 go to the address personally and knock on the door.  I wasn't sure I
should anyway, since these people might just not want to be bothered.

I don't know what state you're in, but, depending you have in your
possession already, I'd at least examine your current title to see what it
can tell you.  Then start making phone calls.  You might also check other
literature, if any, that came with your car.  If you have the original
owner's manual or other glove-box documents that came with the car, one of
them might have the original purchaser's name written on it.  You might get
lucky.





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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 12:54:12 -0400
Subject: RE: Pronouncing 442

Calmly my, ********,

Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Frank Boerger wrote:

> Remember the good old days when we calmly discussed the effects of
> "water-wetter" and whether high oil pressure could wear out bearings ???
>
> Digest Frank Boerger//Tallahassee/FL
>
>

------------------------------

From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:00:36 -0400
Subject: Re: '59 88 and '62 Starfire questions

At 12:42 PM 2/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>On Thu, 20 Feb 1997, Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
>>
>> How about BOTH cars for the Merc?
>>
>I'd probably go for that, but sorry, they are owned by different owners.

You're going to have to give us more info about the cars after you see
them.  They might be great deals, but they might be junk.  I'd think that
the sportier Starfire is more desirable than the plain-Jane family sedan
Dynamic 88, but again, you have to look and see.


Dan

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:58:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

Frank Boerger wrote:
>
> Remember the good old days when we calmly discussed the effects of
> "water-wetter" and whether high oil pressure could wear out bearings

Ah, those were the days.  Yes, they were.  Yes, they were.
I miss woodgrain removal discussions too.  Not to mention WD-40.  ;)

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 16:05:06 -0400
Subject: Re: HEI Headaches...

Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:
>
> It's got a capacitor and two strange little spring-like things on
> the bottom.

Sounds like the electromechanical guy (the electronic regulator wouldn't
have any springs).  The old style was pretty much like a relay, opening
and closing contacts to switch resistors in and out to regulate the
voltage. The capacitor would be for noise suppression (so you don't hear
the zaps of the contacts in the radio).

They also only did a very "chunky" regulation -- not nearly as smooth as
the newer electronic type.  Which is why the newer one is recommended if
you're using newer style electronics (like an HEI) in the car.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:02:30 -0400
Subject: Re: HEI Headaches...

At 11:48 AM 2/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I'm still in the process of troubleshooting my HEI system, and I'm starting
to >get frustrated.  When this topic came up several months ago, someone
>(Bob?) mentioned that the original voltage regulator should be replaced for
>a newer electronic one.  How do I tell the stinkin' difference between the
>original style and the replacement one?  The one that came off my car sure
>looks original.  It's got a capacitor and two strange little spring-like
things on >the bottom.  It's also crunched pretty badly on one side.  I took
it to the >parts store and had it tested, but they said it was fine... which I
find hard to >believe.  I'd apreciate any light that could be shed on these
things...

Sounds like you've got an original one. Even if it functions, the deal is
that a solid-state regulator puts out a quality of current that the HEI
seems happier with.

BTW, refresh us as to what the problem is again?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@cadvansys.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:15:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Drink holders

Tom Lentz wrote:
>
>      Okay, this may sound like a silly question, but has anyone found a
>      good place for a drink holder in a G-body cutlass w/ a center console?
>       I think figuring out how to hold a drink in one of these is one of
>      the great mysteries of life.  If anyone has had any success, please
>      let me know where you put it, and what type you used.
>
>      I could probably rig something up over the ashtray (I don't use it),
>      but I've got this nasty mental picture of a nice sticky Coke/root
>      beer/slurpee/milkshake spilling forward into the lightning rods--EEK!
>
>      Tom Lentz
>      tlentz@teknon.com


Tom,
	You have the right idea about the ashtray, but only for soda cans.  I
have a 79 H/O, so if our cars don't match up, I'm sorry.  If you lift up
the Ashtray Lid there is JUST ENOUGH space to put an OPENED soda can on
top of the ashtray.  The good news is you have to dent the can a bit to
put it in there and then that creates enough pressure to hold it in
there under normal driving conditions, however, I would steady it with
my hands when taking turns and braking.  Another spot is between the
passenger seat and the center console where the seat belt latch comes
up.  You need to have a drink with a lid, (sorry, these cars do not
have  any place to put house glasses or coffe mugs, believe me, ive
tried!) like from McDonalds...and you can squeeze it in there..it should
si nice and snug.  Anyway, this is how I solved the Oldsmobile Design
Flaw of the Mysterious Complications of Enjoying an Ice Cold Beverage
While Cruising in the Hurst/Olds.  Let me know if this helps, or if not,
what your situation is.

						Gerald Hughes

------------------------------

From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:34:24 -0400
Subject: Re: HEI Headaches... -Reply

>>> Robert Barry <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU> 02/20/97
10:02am >>>
>BTW, refresh us as to what the problem is again?

Here goes...

My car died with all the symptoms of a failing control module.  So I took that
out and had it tested.  It tested bad, so I replaced it.  Still no spark.  So
I thought, "screw it.  I'll take it the whole distributor out and replace the
pickup module, clean it up real good, maybe polish the housing, check for
shaft play, etc., and I'll have a good-as-new distributor".  So that's what I
did.  I reinstalled the thing in the correct location (I scribed marks in it
before I removed it to make this step easy), pumped the gas a few dozen times,
and fired it up.  It started right up then died.  Pumped the gas a few more
times and it fired right up, then died again.  So I left the key in the "On"
position and got out to monkey around with the wires.  When I grabbed the 12v
lead to the distributor I got burned.  That SOB was HOT! The only things I
haven't replaced are my coil and voltage regulator.  I guess somewhere I have
a short or a bad ground... but I don't have a multi-meter to figure out where.
The only thing I can think of is that the coil took a dump on me and is
shorting out.  If I replace the coil, I'm into this about $120 in
non-returnable electronic parts, so I figured I better replace that voltage
regulator to avoid possibly frying them all again -- if I haven't already.

Well, that's my story...  What's your oppinion?

Thanks,
Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: Blaine Sanders 5483 <BLAINES@strata3d.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:36:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Drink holders -Reply

Is there any room for one of those cheezy ones that you hang on your
door?  Just thought I'd mention it ;)

- -Blaine

------------------------------

From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 11:37:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

Clayton Pierce writes:
>
> Actually, I think that is more the fault of the ineptness of some people
> rather than the factories.  If it was the fault of the different
> corporations, then they ALL had these problems.  Its sometimes hard to
> convince people that a friends' Ford Mustang GT350 doesn't have a 350cid
> motor in it!  (DUHHHH!!)

To add more fuel to the fire, as far as confusion of model designations
and such... Ford *never* made a Mustang GT350.

However, Carroll Shelby made a Shelby GT350, based on the Mustang :)

Cutli owners here talk about folks approaching our cars and complimenting us
on our Chevelles... I bet the Shelby folks have a similar lament about
folks approving their 'Stangs :)

Oh, and speaking of Mary Poppins -- hey, I saw it in this thread, so there! :)
Didn't Julie Andrews sing the Oscar-winning song, "Just a Spoonful of Sugar
Makes the Gas Line Go Bad"?  Or was it "Shim-shiminee Shim-shiminee shim-shim
sheroo, adjust the front end on my red 4-4-2"? :)

Like this thread needs to get sillier... :)



Tim Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:48:29 -0400
Subject: Re: HEI Headaches... -Reply

At 12:34 PM 2/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>My car died with all the symptoms of a failing control module.  So I took
that >more times and it fired right up, then died again.  So I left the key in
the >"On" position and got out to monkey around with the wires.  When I
>grabbed the 12v lead to the distributor I got burned.  That SOB was HOT!

Hmmm, are you sure that you replaced the factory wire with a non-resistance
12V lead?

>The only things I haven't replaced are my coil and voltage regulator.  I
>guess somewhere I have a short or a bad ground... but I don't have a

If your 12V lead was hot, I'd double-check to make sure it is not too small
of a guage (I think it should be at least 10-12 gauge, but I could be
wrong). The factory non-resistance 12V wire to my HEI never got hot to the
touch. That should definitely not be happening.

>multi-meter to figure out where.  The only thing I can think of is that the
coil

By all means, get yourself a multi-meter if you are going to be doing your
own work on the car. Even if it's just a bargain-store cheapie, it's a good
$10 investment ($12 if you include batteries).

>took a dump on me and is shorting out.  If I replace the coil, I'm into this
>about $120 in non-returnable electronic parts, so I figured I better replace
>that voltage regulator to avoid possibly frying them all again -- if I
haven't >already.

Absolutely yes, get a solid-state regulator as the first thing; that's a
standard changeover on a retrofitted HEI (after, of course, replacing the
resistor + lead with a heavy-gauge non-resistor ign switched 12V wire). You
may have already fried the second control module. :(
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Matt Breitbach <mbreitba@iastate.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 13:55:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

well guys, i think that _we_ all know how to say 4-4-2, now lets quit
fighting about it on the list and inform the public!!

matt breitbach

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 08:20:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

Matt Breitbach wrote:
>
> well guys, i think that _we_ all know how to say 4-4-2, now lets quit
> fighting about it on the list and inform the public!!
>
> matt breitbach

Matt,

I say the public be damned.  If they want to know how to say "4444442",
then let them join the list.  This offer is probably good for the next 3
mo.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:24:55 -0400
Subject: Re: block sizes revisited - the mini series

Correct me if I'm wrong guys but I think the 394 takes a different intake
than the 330-403 small block or the 425-455 big block.

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:30:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Drink holders

I must be out of the ordinary, because I've never understood the need some
folks have for drink holders in cars, or the attraction of cupholders as a
selling point. I've never seen the need for one and the few times I've had
a beverage while driving it hasn't lasted long enough to need a holder.
Maybe I'm just not as thirsty as most people... to me, drinking
(regardless of what it is) and driving just don't go together.

I can't remember ever using a drink holder in the cars that have had
them. Don't know what I'd do if I had one of those minivans that have a
dozen of them. Maybe I'd put some potted plants in them or something... :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:33:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds list archives (fwd)

On Thu, 20 Feb 1997 Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com wrote:
> I sent him a direct email.
> >>    I forget who maintains the archives list ("corncob" is
> >>    in the email address), but since about 2 weeks ago I haven't been able
> >>    to access the archives "The requested URL .... was not found on this
> >>    server."  Do you know what's up with that?  Can you please forward my
> >>    message to the appropriate person?
>
> Well, we are in the midwest here, but calling calcon.net "corncob" is a
> stretch. :-)

I think the "corncob" reference was to something at Doug Ahern's page,
but I went there and couldn't find any trace of an archive. Maybe he had
one at some point in the past as an experiment? Doug, you there?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 14:37:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Drink holders

Greg sez:

> ... to me, drinking
> (regardless of what it is) and driving just don't go together.

Hear, hear... 'nuf said.

>
> I can't remember ever using a drink holder in the cars that have had
> them. Don't know what I'd do if I had one of those minivans that have a
> dozen of them. Maybe I'd put some potted plants in them or something... :)

Uh oh, don't give anyone ideas; they just announced the study about the
dangers of making cell phone calls whilst driving...

*Now* we gotta worry about a driver's view being obstructed by some
spiderplant!! :)



Tim ("Spider Plant, Spider Plant; Leaves Dead Leaves Like a Spider Can't")
Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible in "SpiderMan" Red
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:36:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Starfire curiosities

sguiller@stumail.engr.udayton.edu wrote:
>
> Ok guys, I'm a new member here.  I joined because I've been thinking
> about building up a '65 Olds Stafire.  Yeah, I'm sure you think its a
> real oddball, but I think it would make a good runner and a hell of a
> cruiser.  Does anybody out there have experience with these "bucket
> seat luxury - performance" cars? Before I start on the project,
> though , I've got a few questions:
> Mine has the (TH400?) console shift auto trans.  I know the four
> speed was available, but does anyone know where I can find the
> complete setup to bolt it in? Will a Cutless or Four-Four-Two, etc., setup
> work?  Did these utilize the Muncie M21's or
> M22 's, or some other trans?
> How can I tell what ratio rear I have -- is there a particular code
> stamped on the carrier for ratio, etc.?
> Anybody out there have a rust free dog - house or a nice, complete
> dash (mine is missing the entire assembly!)
> I know this seems like a hopeless project, but its really not that
> bad (plus I can buy it for virtually nothing! A big enticement)
> Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated-- I'm new to
> the world of Olds.
>                                                             Thanks,
>                                                 Shaun R. Guillermin
> Shaun R. Guillermin

Shaun,
I'm sure there are other folds out there that can tell you more than me,
but that is a real find and don't blame you for wanting to build it up.
Wish I had one. A 65 and 66 Starfire are my most favorite after the 1st
generation Toronados. They are super running cars off the line and on the
open road. If the tranny is good I'd leave it. I'll look around for a
dash and I'll CC this to the Toro group for their help. Beautiful car.
Good luck.
Reg

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 06:00:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Drink holders

>
>     Okay, this may sound like a silly question, but has anyone found a
>     good place for a drink holder in a G-body cutlass w/ a center console?

I remember seeing (i think it was in a JC whitney catalog) a drink holder
that would fit in the dash air conditioning vent.   They really made a big
deal out of the fact that the cold air coming out of the vent would help
keep the drink cool.  I just opt for the spill proof mug between the legs
routine which of course can cause an embaressing stain if I'm not careful
when mergeing into traffic.

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 15:00:11 -0400
Subject: Lotsa Stuff

Been a busy day so far. The knee operation still is hurting so after
trying the office yesterday I'm giving it a rest today. Should have been
a quiet day but no... :)

First thing this morning someone sent a picture (700K) to the list. The
realtime list got spared but the digest folk got nailed. Bouncing digests
everywhere... the sender has been made aware of his error and sends his
apologies.

Being home alone for a week, one tends to eat to pass the time. Decided
the leg could stand a trip to the grocery store, so I took my cane and
limped to the Cutlass. Made a side trip on the way to see a '78 Delta
that was advertised for $3300. As usual, a disappointment, plain-jane
car, AM-only radio, kind of tired looking though apparently rust-free.
Way too much money for a 4-door sedan with 60K miles. Growlll...

On my way from there to the grocery store my nice newly reconed rear
speaker began cutting out, then quit altogether. Figured it was just a
loose connection. Got to the parking lot, checked the connections, still
no sound. Damn. Leg starting to hurt. Went into the store, picked up
groceries, leg now really starting to hurt. More growllls...

On my way out of the parking lot, spot an '85 Delta 2-door, really pretty,
pull up next to it to look. Owned by a mechanic at the Canadian Tire store
there, but he's not interested in selling. Talked to another mechanic
there who came out to admire the Cutlass, turned out he was an Olds guy,
showed me his '87 Cutlass across the way, nice. Told me he used to own a
'73 with the swivel buckets before it rotted away on him. Leg yelling at
me to return home immediately now.

Get home, can barely move. Get stuff into apartment and forget about
fixing the speaker or anything right now. Read Olds mail, start to feel
better. Trying to imagine what kind of car you get for $200, especially
if it's a '62 Starfire. Around here you might not get the ignition switch
for that, from what I've seen of asking prices for absolute junk.

I'm going to lay down for a while now. :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(hurtin', no tunes, but still searchin' for that nice Olds daily driver...)

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 07:11:36 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Drink holders

     LOL. . .  That'd be an interesting sight, potted plants.

     Well, the car doesn't have any drink holders and I *did* buy it, and
     I've made due without them for 1 1/2 years.  What can I say, I like my
     drinks :-)  I don't smoke, and don't drink coffee, but I gotta get my
     caffeine somehow!

     I'll try looking for the door type holder.  I've seen these in the
     past but they either didn't look wide enough, or the "tab" looked too
     big to fit behind the weatherstripping without damaging it.

     Tom.

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Drink holders Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    2/20/97 10:49 AM

I can't remember ever using a drink holder in the cars that have had
them. Don't know what I'd do if I had one of those minivans that have a
dozen of them. Maybe I'd put some potted plants in them or something... :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada




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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:20:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Drink holders

Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
>
> Greg sez:
>
> > ... to me, drinking
> > (regardless of what it is) and driving just don't go together.
>
> Hear, hear... 'nuf said.

Then why are there drive-through beer distributers?

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:28:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Lotsa Stuff

Gimpy Beaulieu wrote:
>
> On my way from there to the grocery store my nice newly reconed rear
> speaker began cutting out, then quit altogether. Figured it was just a
> loose connection. Got to the parking lot, checked the connections,
> still no sound.

A simple way to check to see if a speaker is functioning is to disconnect
the amplifier leads and hook a 1.5v battery across it.  It should click
everytime you put the juice to it.  No click = ka-ka.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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