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oldsmobile-digest        Tuesday, 25 February 1997     Volume 01 : Number 536

Re: Finnally I found My Peers......
RE: Re[2]: 64 4-4-2 info please
High RPM stress
Re: Repaired antenna
Re: Hey, anything Olds is better than nothin'
Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?
Re: Thanks
Re: Repaired antenna
Transmission Confusion
Re: Thanks
Re[2]: 50's Oldsmobile lists?
FOUNDRY, REPRODUCING, CHROMEWORK...............
Re: Seats
1970 cutlass supreme trunk
List Suggestions
Re: window motor
Re: window motor
TORO Enthusiasts
Re: List Suggestions
Re: List Suggestions
Re: Hey, anything Olds is better than nothin'
Re: window motor
Re: List Suggestions
Re: Cotter pin reuse
Re: window motor
Re: Transmission Confusion
Re: Cotter pin reuse
Re: Hey, anything Olds is better than nothin'
light covers
Re: Cotter pin reuse: RE Model T
Chalk Marks
Re: High RPM stress
Re: Hey, anything Olds is better than nothin'
Re: Edelbrock Olds Heads
Re: mismatched engine building advice needed
Need help understanding brakes ?
'nother day in the life
Re: Chalk Marks
Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?
Re: Edelbrock Olds Heads
Re: Rebuilding
Re: 64 4-4-2 info please
Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #535
Need Positraction
Re: 1970 cutlass supreme trunk(got it)
Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?
Re: High RPM stress
Re: Need help understanding brakes ?
Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?
RE: 1971 350 engine paint
Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?
High RPM Stress con'd
Re: 1971 350 engine paint
Re: 394 for sale...
Re: Water Wetter
Olds Chat on Dalnet
Re: Re[2]: 50's Oldsmobile lists?
Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?
Re: High RPM stress
Re: Re[2]: 50's Oldsmobile lists?
Re: Cotter pin reuse

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From: Timothy Carl Hietpas <thietpas@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:34:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Finnally I found My Peers......

On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 Ossipee104@AOL.COM wrote:

> Hello everyone, I am a Oldsmobile owner . Until now I honestly thought I was
> the only person alive that wanted to do up his OLDS. I have searched high
and > low for parts info. Engine swap info, accesories and so on. Every
magazine I > picked up was for chevy,chevy,chevy. I got so annoyed at that. I
own a 86 > Cutlass Supreme with a  307 in it. I want to either rebiuld my
stock engine > or find a suitable sub. My biggest problem is the ECM and the
fact that I > have to stay emission legal. I am in the military, and I move
almost as much > as you guys change your underware (ha-ha). I would like to
keep my car a > everyday driver, but I also want street performance. I have
already done the > interior and so forth. I have to admit, the car really
looks cherry however, > I need to make her healthy. PLEASE help me get there
with this project. I > have already found a bunch of info. on your site and
for that I thank you.I > have found Mondello's article on building a 307 and
now I have to look up the > actual article to see what he says about it.
Anyway send me all your > suggestions and believe me I will take it all to
heart and appreciate all > your help. Send it to OSSIPEE104@aol.com. Thanks
again and this is a > excellent site. Don't let anything happen to it because
I at least will refer > back to this often. Later !!!!!! > > Ossipee, 
	would
it be possible for you to post Mondello's article or web site for the
building of the 307.

	Thanks,
		Tim

thietpas@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
1987 Olds 442

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From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 10:47:47 -0400
Subject: RE: Re[2]: 64 4-4-2 info please

OK, make that 68.

Bobby

70 442 (Escape Back to the...Past)

______________________________________________________________________________
_ From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Tue, Feb 25, 1997 10:25 AM Subject:
Re[2]: 64 4-4-2 info please To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

...The 442 didn't become its own model untell 65...

          Actually, the 442 was a separate model (as in, a unique VIN)
          only for the model years 1968-1971.  In all other years
          (64-67 and 72-up) it was an option package available on
          certain F-85 and Cutlass models.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30



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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:36:09 -0400
Subject: High RPM stress

If an engine fails at high rpms, I would think it's a combination of the
cylinder compression and the reciprocating mass, as well as the high
temperatures.  That's assuming no material flaws, and good machining and
tolerances.  The stress on not only the crankshaft, but also the rods,
pins, bolts, etc. increases exponentially as the engine speed increases.
It's been a few years since I've studied this sort of thing but I'll pull
out the ol' textbook and verify this info.  This is an interesting subject
and I'd also like to hear what everyone else thinks.

         Jim

         '90 Calais W-40

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From: Timothy Carl Hietpas <thietpas@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:51:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Repaired antenna

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997 Ossipee104@aol.com wrote:

> Fellas, along with being a olds cutlass owner, I am also a master installer
> in the car audio bus. The problem youare refering to is rather easy to fix.
> It is a little time cosuming though. You don't have to take the front end
> apart however, you do loosen the bolt on the side of the fender  between the
> door and the fender itself. Then proceed to loosen the wheel well fender.
> Afte you do that you hve a access point to the power antena. It is a little
> cramped , but it is the best way to do it. Do not be scared to pull GENTLY
on > the fender to give you some room. The antena loosens from the top of the
mast > at the base by turning the cap. The rest of the antena is supported by
a > bracket at the base. As far as the wiring, the system is a positive
actuation > system and requires a few wire connections to make it work. On
your > replacement antena, you have a ground, power and trigger. The factory
trigger > is or should be pink. That is what tells the antenna the radio is
on. I > recommend you replace the unit rather than trying to repair it, trust
me it > is not worth your time. Harada makes direct replacement antennas and
they are > better units. You could even get them in the black mast style if
you wish. If > you have any problems, feel free to contact me. This is one
area I am a pro > at. Car alarms, radios even high end installs. I wouldn't
mind helping fellow > olds owners. If you would like to know the model
antenna, just write back and > I'll get it to you. I don't have my manuals in
front of me, but I will get > you the info. ASAP. > > Ossipee, 	I would 
love
to get more information on this subject.  I am have the same problems with
the antenna on my 87 442.  Thanks again for the info.

	Tim

thietpas@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
1987 Olds 442

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:08:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Hey, anything Olds is better than nothin'

Andrew C. Green wrote:
>
> >De gustibus non disputandem est.
> "If you're long-winded enough, no one will argue with you."
> (Except Mike Frederick, but he argues with everyone.)

Well, that's certainly not true, Windy City Man.
I only argue with the ignorant.

...or is that the uninformed?

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:18:41 -0400
Subject: Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?

>Are there any lists out there specifically for 1950-1959 oldsmobile
>models?  The volume and enthusiasm of the "youngsters" is getting to
>be more than I have time to keep up with :-)  If there's interest I'd
>consider hosting one, but if there's one already out there, I figure
>this would be the place to find out...
>			_Mark_ <eichin@kitten.gen.ma.us>
>			The Herd of Kittens
>			1956 Oldsmobile "88" Holiday Cruiser --
>			  http://www.mit.edu/people/eichin/car.html
>
>
>Mark:

I share your frustration.  I am a '49-50 Olds fan and most of these kids
don't even know what they look like.
Let me know if you find a group.


'
Bill Goodnight
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:19:37 -0400
Subject: Re: Thanks

At 04:54 PM 2/23/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a two-ton wagon that needs a little more pep.  I'm thinking I should
>either find a 307"9" or rebuild a 350 using my manifolds, carb, and
distributor.
>Any comments?  If I get a "rebuilt" 307"9" can I use my "Y" harmonic
balancer?

Rebuild a 350 long-block (to your tastes), and use the original
accessories/manifolds (they'll all fit). You may have to recalibrate the
carb a bit, but you can still run it off the computer.

>Will my 307 parts work on a 350?  How much do the OEM roller lifters/cam
help my
>economy?  This thing has geven me 24 mpg on a trip before; that's not too
hard

Don't bother with the roller-cam; the different lifter-bore sizes make the
stockers incompatible with an earlier gas engine.

Look at it this way: building a 280hp 350 (not hard to do) will give you
TWICE the power you now have. Of course, you'll have to sacrifice a couple
MPG's, but that's life...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:31:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Repaired antenna

Hey Ossipee,

> Fellas, along with being a olds cutlass owner, I am also a master installer
> in the car audio bus.

Is it possible to get an electric antenna mounted where a stationary one
was
at on my 68 442?  I sure miss having an electric antenna.

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:31:55 -0400
Subject: Transmission Confusion

In the process of investigating the replacement of an ancient 200 tranny
with either a TH350 or Th400 I have gotten terribly confused about
small/large/dual bolt pattern flexplates and the overall size of the
trans.i.e. 4" or 6" tail shafts.  That is, is the TH400 two inches longer
than a TH350?  If so then I suspect I will need to move the crossmember
back two inches and get a new drive shaft or am I incorrect?  Then I
suspect I will need to convert the cross member to a dual hump (cut and
weld??) in order to run true duals.  Anyone who can give some general
guidance on what fits what can email me directly or please post a reply
for the group.  Thanks for your help.

Al Varhus


  http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html



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From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@cadvansys.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:01:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Thanks

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> Look at it this way: building a 280hp 350 (not hard to do) will give you
> TWICE the power you now have. Of course, you'll have to sacrifice a couple
> MPG's, but that's life...


Robert,
	Can you run over some components for a 280 HP 350 from 1979.  I have a
Hurst/Olds that needs a motor job real bad, and I would like to pep up
the motor.  What else would I need to do to surpass 325?

						Gerald Hughes

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From: pteubel@safety1st.com (Peter Teubel)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:03:02 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: 50's Oldsmobile lists?

     I'll join it too!  My '51 98 is getting lonely....





     pteubel@safety1st.com
     '51 98
     '82 98
     '86 Ciera (Wife's car)



______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists? Author:
idaholc@PrimeNet.Com (william goodnight) at imail Date:    2/25/97 12:18 PM


>Are there any lists out there specifically for 1950-1959 oldsmobile
>models?  The volume and enthusiasm of the "youngsters" is getting to
>be more than I have time to keep up with :-)  If there's interest I'd
>consider hosting one, but if there's one already out there, I figure
>this would be the place to find out...
>                       _Mark_ <eichin@kitten.gen.ma.us>
>                       The Herd of Kittens
>                       1956 Oldsmobile "88" Holiday Cruiser --
>                         http://www.mit.edu/people/eichin/car.html
>
>
>Mark:

I share your frustration.  I am a '49-50 Olds fan and most of these kids
don't even know what they look like.
Let me know if you find a group.


'
Bill Goodnight
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho



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From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@quix.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:32:47 -0400
Subject: FOUNDRY, REPRODUCING, CHROMEWORK...............

All of our work is done in Mexico, prices are low low!!!
         REPRODUCING parts in bronze, aluminum, and cast iron. Door
handles, knobs, brackets etc. can be done. METALFORMING exterior trim,
hubcaps, grilles, bezels, etc. CHROMING available at reasonable prices. All
work is guaranteed, or money back. For more info call Mike Aldana at
619-357-0713, or email at maldana@quix.net

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From: Dan Bennett <DBennett@asuvax.eas.asu.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 13:31:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Seats

Olds455cut@aol.com wrote:
>
> Dan,
>
> If you can not use those 67 buckets and would like to sell them, let me
know. >  My 67 convertible has buckets from a later Pontiac, I think.  I would
even > be interested inb what you paid for them.  This way I might be a little 
>
better armed at Carlise.  Thanks > > Jerry > > 67 Cutlass Supreme
convertible 455/TH400 > 83 Cutlass Calais T-Tops 455/Th400

Jerry, These bucket seats are at a local junk yard and I checked them
out this past weekend, they would be $100.00 complete (Pair) and the
drivers side would need new vinyl, passengers is okay.  They are blue
with the hardshell back and W/O headrests.  They have all chrome and
buttons.  I would like to use them but still dont know how they would
bolt into my '72 as I currently have bench seats in mine.
- --
Daniel Bennett
'72 Cutlass Supreme

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From: "ROBERT P. BETSON" <cc003401@interramp.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:46:49 -0400
Subject: 1970 cutlass supreme trunk

need replacement trunk for current rusted one on '70 cutlass supreme 2-door
convertible

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From: Matthew Butler <matthewbutler@fsd.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:04:50 -0400
Subject: List Suggestions

I was wondering...

Would all you folks, and the list administrator, be interested in splitting
the hundreds of daily messages into specific groups.  For example, we
could have a group about Engine & Tansmission, Body & Trim,
Suspension, Interior, trivia etc. etc.  I don't know about you all, but I am
usually interested in just one of these areas at a time.  I am not
suggesting that we create different list serv for each group, but adopt
some sort of naming convention for the Subject header in our e-mails.  I
am currently using the digest options and it takes a good hour and a half
to even read through these e-mails every day.  Unfortunately, I ususally
don't have that sort of time and I know that I am missing some really good
conversations and info.

Just a suggestion...

Matt Butler



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From: Junior627@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:06:43 -0400
Subject: Re: window motor

In a message dated 97-02-24 17:20:28 EST, you write:

<< What exactly are "light covers"?  >>
they are the silver plastic things that go around your ligths and give your
blinkers anr brake lights color....

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From: Junior627@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:14:52 -0400
Subject: Re: window motor

In a message dated 97-02-24 17:21:32 EST, you write:

<< Both of the front windows on my 1965 98 had the rivets fall out!!!

 Can you just buy some bolts and locktite the nut on??? >>
yes you can probably save money by going to a hardware store and buy small
machine screws with lock washers to hold the motor in place...

Nicolo A. Michelli Jr.
junior627@aol.com
85 delta 88
v6 231 3.8 L

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From: Jason Beres <jberes@eagle1.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:27:16 -0400
Subject: TORO Enthusiasts

1970 Toronado GT

1970 Oldsmobile Toronado GT, seeking new care-taker. Rare high-compression
400hp 455 V8, W-34 package. Well-preserved original car in nugget gold with
black top. Ready to drive anywhere. Factory spec. compression on motor.
Top speed 135mph, 0-60, 7.7 sec. FWD muscle in a velvet glove. Full
details and pictures of the car on my Web site:
www.collegeplan.org/gen2/index.html Contact Doug Breithaupt, Port Townsend,
WA (360) 379-0531 or e-mail

<Picture>cpnpt@olympus.net.

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:36:15 -0400
Subject: Re: List Suggestions

I like it just the way it is.  I find some very useful information
in most of the subjects.  I may not be looking for an answer to a
subject at a specific time, but may find the info useful in the future.
For instance, the 455 crankshaft seal thread has been informative.  I am
not going to replace mine right away, but I will someday.  Why miss the
info now, just because you don't need it now?  I do not have the space
or the need to save everything for future use, so I save what I find
that applies to me and my car.  This is like junk yarding, you may find
a rose among the thorns.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:48:13 -0400
Subject: Re: List Suggestions

>I was wondering...
>
>Would all you folks, and the list administrator, be interested in splitting
>the hundreds of daily messages into specific groups.  For example, we
>could have a group about Engine & Tansmission, Body & Trim,
>Suspension, Interior, trivia etc. etc.  I don't know about you all, but I am
>usually interested in just one of these areas at a time.  I am not
>suggesting that we create different list serv for each group, but adopt
>some sort of naming convention for the Subject header in our e-mails.  I
>am currently using the digest options and it takes a good hour and a half
>to even read through these e-mails every day.  Unfortunately, I ususally
>don't have that sort of time and I know that I am missing some really good
>conversations and info.
>
>Just a suggestion...
>
>Matt Butler
>
>
I sort incoming mail by subject (using Eudora Pro). I don't have time to
read all the mail that comes in (unfortunately).

Better subject lines would help, although I don't have much trouble as it
is... It was very easy to skip the four hundred two and forty debate ;)


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:42:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Hey, anything Olds is better than nothin'

At 03:08 PM 2/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Andrew C. Green wrote:
>>
>> >De gustibus non disputandem est.
>> "If you're long-winded enough, no one will argue with you."
>> (Except Mike Frederick, but he argues with everyone.)
>
>Well, that's certainly not true, Windy City Man.
>I only argue with the ignorant.
>
>...or is that the uninformed?
>
>    66 Toro
>The /\   /\ and Mike
>
>--
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
>
>
>
How about the mis-informed?

Anon. I

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From: Junior627@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:36:39 -0400
Subject: Re: window motor

In a message dated 97-02-24 23:10:02 EST, you write:

<< What kind of window is it? >>
it is a large window on a 1985 delta 88 2 door..

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:44:56 -0400
Subject: Re: List Suggestions

Matthew Butler wrote:
>
> I am not suggesting that we create different list serv for each group,
> but adopt some sort of naming convention for the Subject header in our
> e-mails.

Great idea, Matt.  Unfortunately, even though this has been
suggested several times before, few seem to attention to it.

Good luck.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:38:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Cotter pin reuse

At 09:49 AM 2/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>From wizkid:
>
>> Rules of the road.  Based on my two years at Chevrolet Assembly Division.
>>
>> 1. Never reuse a cotter pin, ever.
>>
>> 2. Never reuse a lock washer ever.
>>
>> 3. Never turn the nut with a lock washer, always turn the bolt.  If the
lock >> washer is under the nut, reverse      if washer is under the bolt
head. >> >> 4. Always leave the range selector leaver in 4 wheel drives in
Netural, so >> that the unwary, report them as      broken down. >> >> Why?
The boss said so, and he handed out the pay checks, that's why. >> >> The Wiz
>> >> P.S. Actually I know the exact reason for the numbers 2, 3, and 4, and
I can >> speculate on No. 1. > >Oh, *do* fill us in on the reasons, Wiz.  I
know knowledge is power 'n' all :) >but please share the wealth with us on the
reasons for the Rules, whether they >be exact or speculative. > >I know I've
been guilty of all four acts, and I no longer wish to be ignorant >--
following Escape442's definition of 'ignorant' as 'uninformed' :) >
>Seriously, I think we'd all benefit from knowing the 'Whys' for not reusing
>cotters and lock washers... > > > >Tim Churchill >------------- >'67
Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red' >'89 Cadillac
Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen' >'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car
to be Replaced' > > OK, here goes,

No. 1: Speculation--the tines of this type of bifercated fastner were partly
fractured when bent back on themselves at initial installation.  The holding
power on a second application is greatly reduced.

No. 2: A lockwasher has a knifes edge that actually cuts into the nut and
material being fastened at first application.  At a second application the
knifes edge is partly worn away, and only a new lock washer can be fully
relied on to serve properly.  Of course part of a lock washers holding value
comes from the fact that it is a spring, and even this value is reduced
after the first application.

No. 3: This is akin to number 2.  If you turn the nut, instead of the bolt,
you scrape off the knifes edge; causing the value of the lockwasher to be
much reduced.  By turning the bolt, the washer is engaged properly.

No. 4: At Saint Louis Chevrolet the guys that drove the cars off the end of
the assembly line had one of the super gravy jobs.  By leaving 4 wheelers,
with their drive range selector in neutral, you allow 'expert drivers that
can drive' anything to show their a**e* when they can not get the machines
to move; but just sit their and race the engines.  They are never asked if
they want that job again.  Sort of like an assembly line snipe hunt.  I
expect that this feature is no longer with us with things like full time 4
wheel drive!

No. 4A: The best car to use for the "I can drive anything" types is a Model
"T" F*rd.  I expect that less than 10% of the guys reading this list could
climb into a 'running' model "T" and drive it away, on the first try.  And
this list is being read by 'car people' not non-car types.  They would
release the hand brake and the car would luch forward and die.  Put the hand
brake back on, restart, and this would continue; until they decided to hold
the clutch while restarting.  After a restart, they would let out on the
clutch and the car would lurch forward and die.  Try again, would hold down
on the clutch, restart the car, assuming a later model with electric start,
and the car would lurch forward with the cranking motor.  Great fun, but
probably fairly hard on a model "T."  And we are well past the first try.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:51:44 -0400
Subject: Re: window motor

>In a message dated 97-02-24 17:21:32 EST, you write:
>
><< Both of the front windows on my 1965 98 had the rivets fall out!!!
>
> Can you just buy some bolts and locktite the nut on??? >>
>yes you can probably save money by going to a hardware store and buy small
>machine screws with lock washers to hold the motor in place...
>
>Nicolo A. Michelli Jr.
>junior627@aol.com
>85 delta 88
>v6 231 3.8 L

I should have made myself clear... The rivets that failed connect two
pieces of plate steel. One is driven up and down by the drive gear and the
rivet connects this to the "scissor" arrangement to the glass.

It is pretty tight in the door. I'll muck with them this weekend...


*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 14:57:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Transmission Confusion

At 12:31 PM 2/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In the process of investigating the replacement of an ancient 200 tranny
>with either a TH350 or Th400 I have gotten terribly confused about
>small/large/dual bolt pattern flexplates and the overall size of the
>trans.i.e. 4" or 6" tail shafts.  That is, is the TH400 two inches longer
>than a TH350?  If so then I suspect I will need to move the crossmember
>back two inches and get a new drive shaft or am I incorrect?  Then I
>suspect I will need to convert the cross member to a dual hump (cut and
>weld??) in order to run true duals.  Anyone who can give some general
>guidance on what fits what can email me directly or please post a reply
>for the group.  Thanks for your help.
>
>Al Varhus
>
>
>  http://www.infinet.com/~avar/olds.html
>
>
>
Yes the TH400 is about 2" longer than a TH350.  Also it uses a different
spline on the output shaft, so that the existing propeller shaft must be
shortened and a different yoke (w/TH400 type spline) installed.  Also it
uses an electric switch for kickdown instead of the cable that is used on
both the TH200 and the TH350.

The flexplate issue is an early and late bolt hole patterns.  Someone posted
to this list that all that must be done is redrill the hole that is out of
line, if you have the wrong one, so this is even less trouble than reworking
the prop shaft.

Most chassis have extra holes to move the crossmember back, so that is no
problem.  However, the rear mount is different on the TH400, so it requires
some work.  Also the crossmember at the rear of the transmission might need
work to clear dual exhausts.

The beauty of the TH200 to TH350 swap is that it is an in and out,
everything fits up the same.  The only problems that need addressing are
transmission varities with things like lockup torque converters.  If your
TH200 is a no accessories type, and the TH350 is also, this job is a bolt
out bolt in.  Just make sure the TH350 has the same flange as the TH200.
There are two flanges, Chevrolet and the rest; and it depends on the motor
not the make of car.  (And there are dual flange TH350s too).

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 15:13:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Cotter pin reuse

> >Oh, *do* fill us in on the reasons, Wiz.  I know knowledge is power 'n' all
:) > >but please share the wealth with us on the reasons for the Rules,
whether they > >be exact or speculative. > OK, here goes, > > No. 1:

<Explanations, all of which is useful and cool, snipped for brevity>

Thanks, Wiz!  I especially liked the anecdotes of the 'Goat Piss' Assy Plant,
too -- Snipe Hunting fer sure :)

>From the French: Chevre, meaning Goat; and 'olet', derived from 'eau de
toilet', meaning toilet water...

Hey, it beats using asterisks!



Tim ( "Je suis Present" is All I Remember from HS French Class ) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:25:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Hey, anything Olds is better than nothin'

C.R.F. wrote:
>
> How about the mis-informed?

Yeah, them too.

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: John Schumacher <jd.schumacher@baylordallas.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:23:04 -0400
Subject: light covers

Junior627@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-02-24 17:20:28 EST, you write:
>
> << What exactly are "light covers"?  >>
> they are the silver plastic things that go around your ligths and give your
> blinkers anr brake lights color....


Let me ask another way...  Is a "light cover" the same as a lense?

John Schumacher
NTOC#254
OCA#021151
64 D88
69 442
74 Supreme

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:43:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Cotter pin reuse: RE Model T

 Love those old planetary transmissions -- An old guy taught me how to drive
one when i was twelve -- he he

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:57:54 -0400
Subject: Chalk Marks

  Hey Folks,
                    Don't you think it would have been more productive to
discuss what the proper chalk marks are supposed to be on heater covers?

    Oh yeah -- i wanted to say thanks to all of the people who have responded
so far to my inquiry on foundry work
                                            SRM

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:03:22 -0400
Subject: Re: High RPM stress

>If an engine fails at high rpms, I would think it's a combination of the
>cylinder compression and the reciprocating mass, as well as the high
>temperatures.  That's assuming no material flaws, and good machining and
>tolerances.  The stress on not only the crankshaft, but also the rods,
>pins, bolts, etc. increases exponentially as the engine speed increases.
>It's been a few years since I've studied this sort of thing but I'll pull
>out the ol' textbook and verify this info.  This is an interesting subject
>and I'd also like to hear what everyone else thinks.
>

Yeah, I'm not too certain on the subject, but I'd suspect compression
contributes very little to the problems.  The high RPM, high compression or
no compression (theoretically speaking) will still have the same
reciiprocating assembly going at the same speed.  The compression would
factor in as sealing problems, I'd imagine, like blown head gaskets,
pistons, etc.  Granted, it will put more pressure on the rods and cranks,
but not where they generally tend to destruct.  The momentum and inertia of
the reciprocating masses at the upper and lower extremes of the throw
results in the rod assy. to keep going (remember Newton?)  When the crank
tries changing directions, things flex a bit while the rod and cap try to
keep going down (or up; opposite of their newly desired direction).  This, I
hear, is when the proverbial feces becomes scattered by the air movement
device (PC stuff, ya know...:)  The high compression will make the speed
easier to reach, but the RPM at which self destruction occurs should remain
relatively constant.  i.e. if you were to take a 4 speed f*rd, and remove
the spark plugs so there is no compression at all (removing the plugs
~there~ might be optional:) and then towed the car with your Olds, leaving
the f*rd in first so the engine rotates, the engine would still reach
critical RPM with ~no~ compression, and become even more dead-in-the-water
than it started as.  It's my guess that the RPM it dies at would be the same
with or without compression.  I've never seen any proving grounds to test
that idea, though.  Any volunteers?  You can use my neighbor's f*rd, as long
as you go in a straight line -- no keys, ya know... :)

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:03:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Hey, anything Olds is better than nothin'

>>
>How about the mis-informed?

Shouldn't that be Ms.-informed, or at the very least Mr./Miss-informed?

(Had a discussion about political correctness crap in class yesterday.
Couldn't resist...)


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

------------------------------

From: Gregory M Zimmerman <gzimmerm@runet.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:21:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Edelbrock Olds Heads

I got a personal email letter from Edelbrock two weeks ago saying that
they have (or are) designing an Aluminum head for Olds 455.  They said it
should be on the market either at the end of this year or early '98.
I'll wait until then to build my monster Mondello 493 big block.

- -greg
- -71 Olds Cutlass Convertible

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:35:24 -0400
Subject: Re: mismatched engine building advice needed

>I have a '70 Cutlass S, and the engine has a dead cylinder for the second
>time.  A little background will be necessary, please bear with me....
>
>I've had the car since '82, (when I was young and foolish, and poor) and
>when the 350 gave it up I decided to build a different motor I had aquired.
> This was a 425 of unknown origin, but turns out the block was no good.  I
>had also gotten a 400 block with reground crank but with only 4
>pistons/rods installed.  Due to the high cost of the other 4 pistons I
>decided (and was told at the machine shop this would work) to bore the 400
>to 425/455 std bore and use the pistons/rods from the 425.  I used the 400
>crank and 425 rods.  At the time the 350 heads (6 casting) were fresh and
>was told they would work, and as near as I can tell they do. (I have since
>been told these will not work, no way, and I wonder if high compression has
>caused the rings to break)
>
>I think I have broken ring/s on #8 now.  I have pulled the motor once many
>years past for broken rings on #1.  I also aquired a set of big block heads
>and had them rebuilt years ago, but never installed them.  I think I have
>about 5000 miles on this motor, but don't really know.
>
>So the parts I have now-	E block bored to 425 std pistons
>				400 crank, 425 pistons/rods
>				K heads rebuilt on the shelf		
>				unknown cam/new(ish) 
lifters			
>

I'd start by looking for the 425 crank, they're a shorter stroke, but a
forged unit.  With the 400 crank and 425 pistons/rods, you may have some
compression problems.  I'm not certain, but that just doesn't seem right to
me here.  Basically, what you have now is a 425 with a different crank --
that has a longer stroke.  Someone care to do the math here?  I'm at odds as
why the ~rings~ are breaking, but I can imagine several reasons for smashing
pistons into the heads.  Or did some of the 400's run the shorter stroke...?
I can't remember.

Usually a broken ring triggers the word "tolerances" into my mind.  Are the
rings matched to the pistons?  What I'm getting at here is the thought that
the ring lands may be wider on the mismatched pistons.  Were the rings
installed properly?  They may have been overstretched when put on.  This is
begging for trouble.  The other idea is that the block wasn't bored true, or
the pistons are undersized for the bore, perhaps.

It's apparant you'll be ripping 'er down soon.  I'd say splurge for the new
pistons and rings, it's the only way to go.  Make the machine shop measure
all aspects of the bore, to determine if it should be re-trued, or honed, or
left alone.  If they don't take up some responsibility for misleading you on
your buildup, I'd ~seriously~ begin looking for another machine shop to
spend $$$ with.  They haven't earned your repeat business, especially if
they can't back their own labor.

I'd go with a new set of pistons & rings for the 425, which is what you
should end up with, a 425 crank (which I'm hoping you already have,) and new
bearings down there, just to be safe.  (at least plasti-gage the ones you
have, although with the ground crank, you may be stuck...)    I'd call up
Joe Mondello and see what he recommends for a cam (and lifters) for your
engine and needs.  The word "unknown" to me indicates a possible future
problem, and at the very minimum, a performance problem.  Take the "K"
heads, I imagine they'd probably work well, ***or*** sell them to Chris
Witt, and pick up a set of C heads (Big Valve, pref.) to put on there.  This
will make your engine look like a #'s matching piece, and I ~think~ make it
flow better.  You'll end up with a stock 400 outside, but a stock 425
inside.  Trust me when I say -- A stock 425 is still quite an eye opener....
:)

At the very least, I'd consult both Chris Witt and Joe Mondello before
shelling out any additional $$$$$.

>
>BTW- I still have 4 new? pistons and rods for the E motor (domed pistons,
>will have to check bore, .040 I think)  if anyone has read this far and is
>interested in them.

Ya never know, Chris may even have a use for those...

Good luck, it sounds like you're ready for some!  :)


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

------------------------------

From: ghude@iscp.bellcore.com (Prashant Ghude)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:35:30 -0400
Subject: Need help understanding brakes ?

Hi,

	The stopping distance on my 89 CUT CIERA had increased lately.
Also I had to press the break quite hard to stop the car, so I took
the car to shop and I got the rear breaks done( this include both drums,
shoes and H/W kit). Within week time one  shoe had a crack, so under
life-time warrenty got it replaced. But still the break feel has not
improved. It still takes the same pressure and same distance to stop
the car. The mechanic tells me it takes time for the new brakes to
start showing the difference.

	Does that mean there is no difference of putting the new brakes
initially ? also there was no explanation about the crak on the shoe he just
replaced it, can there be  other probelm  which he did not understood
(there is no  cylinder leak)? The old drums had got thin on one side, so they
were not used evenly.

	Also the mechanic suggested to replace front breaks(rotars, pads and
shims), which I don't want to do because some other shop has suggested
front breaks are OK for now. Also I want to differ this activity till
I find out the rear break work has made any difference.

	Any help is appritiated.

Thanks


Prashant

- --
Prashant Ghude
Bellcore RRC 4D-351  				email : 
ghude@iscp.bellcore.com
444 Hoes Lane  					Tel   : 908 699-8082 (W)
Piscataway, NJ  08854-4182			

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:35:39 -0400
Subject: 'nother day in the life

     Well, on the way to work yesterday, I got beside an early 90's Camaro
RS, looked like it was imitating that 25'th anniversary thing, white with
red stripes, and feeling quick...  I didn't thoroughly humiliate him through
most of first gear, in fact I didn't start leaving him hard until I hit
second.  Damn, I need to change my oil...  A slight tune-up must be in
order, too. :)  (The fact that it barely idles should have clued me in to
that months ago...  Wait, it ~did~, but I was too lazy, and it's been too
cold to fight it...  Spring's comin' tho...)


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:39:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Chalk Marks

>  Hey Folks,
>                    Don't you think it would have been more productive to
>discuss what the proper chalk marks are supposed to be on heater covers?

Well, yeah, that's another theory...  We try to blend in a little fun in
there, though, as well.  (Or was it funne...  No no no, that's what we have
in junque yardes, that's right...)

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

------------------------------

From: sguiller@stumail.engr.udayton.edu
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 12:46:08 -0400
Subject: Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?


> I share your frustration.  I am a '49-50 Olds fan and most of these kids
>don't even know what they look like.
> Let me know if you find a group.


 Hey, I take offense at that remark --I may be only nineteen, but I
cut my teeth on the cars of the early fifties -- including both my
father's daily drivers - a '50 Ch*vy 2-dr sedan and '54 Bel-Air
convertible (the '50 made it close to 200,000 miles before body rot
relegrated it to the barn).  These cars were my first love, along
with all the classics of the thirties and 40's.  I am a member of the
Model A Restorers Club of America (yes, I said MODEL 'A' FORD!) as
well as a restoration apprentice at America's Packard Museum in
Dayton, Ohio, where I have been involved with such projects as the
'38 Packard V-12 All weather Cabriolet(w/custom coachwork by Brunn) once owned
by Admiral Byrd and a '40 Packard Town Car used by FDR and his wife at the
White House.  (I'm also a full time Mechanical Engineering student at the
University of Dayton).  And while I do plan to make a nice, fast cruiser out
of my '65 Starfire, I am not the long haired teenage speed freak that your
comment suggests.  I joined this page to learn more about Oldsmobiles and see
what kind of folks I could meet. Oh, and BTW, my last purchase was a rough '57
Roadmaster convt. that I intent to restore to pure stock in the future.

And sir, I do know what '49-'50 Oldsmobiles
look like, and I think they are quite beautiful.

To everybody else on the list -- sorry for the non subject, but he
got my dander up!

 '65 Starfire
 '65 T-Bird -- original
 '57 Buick Roadmaster ragtop
 '73 Cougar convertible

Shaun R. Guillermin

------------------------------

From: Death <dldeathe@mail.pittstate.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:58:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Edelbrock Olds Heads

Does this mean that they are planning on a head for the 350R
engine also?

On Mon, 24 Feb 1997 BobH592058@aol.com wrote:
>
> Anyway, Edelbrock had a huge display.  I asked about the progress on the
Olds > head and got the deer in the headlights look.  Hey, if it ain't C*evy,
it > doesn't exist!  One wise fellow suggested I check back when their
"research > engineer" would be around.  I did so and got one better than the
engineer. >  How about Vic Edelbrock in person. > > He is said he has 1 (one)
guy working on it part time and confirmed that Joe > Mondello has been there
to provide advice.   So this head is under > development.

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 18:57:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Rebuilding

Hi Joe
  Sorry no catalog but I am putting everything on computer. I have just
purchased a semi load of NOS from the midwest on I am buried in getting it
posted and organized.
  Please send me your name and address with the car your working on and I
will send you a list, it may be a couple of months as I have hundreds of
boxes to open  and put on the shelf.

E & G Automotive
PO Box 16095
Rumford, R.I. 02916

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:02:22 -0400
Subject: Re: 64 4-4-2 info please

64 442's were only avail on the f-85 in 64 as it was the first year for this
BO9 option. it was avail on any f-85 body style. there were even 4dr 442's
made that year but are rare.
  Where is car you found, if you don't want it I'm sure we can find a buyer


Everett

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From: Michael Tomkins <mike.t@ukonline.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:01:09 -0400
Subject: Re: oldsmobile-digest V1 #535

Hi all!

Well, I've been battling for days with my email, and I've finally got it
working - so don't despair, the new home of the Oldsmobile List archives is
coming to you soon...  I've got the files now, and have only a little work
to do before the page goes online - and my provider has kindly created a new
account specially for the list.  I'll post again once the list is online.

Regards

- ---
Mike

------------------------------

From: Joe Fauzio <galusha@postoffice.ptd.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:13:06 -0400
Subject: Need Positraction

When I come off the line my right rear tire just spins. Even when I hit 2nd
I still see smoke coming from the right tire. I need Posi. Does anyone know
where I could get the gears? (I have no idea how to spell Positraction)

Thanks

Joe 71 442

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From: Oldsnut1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 19:34:41 -0400
Subject: Re: 1970 cutlass supreme trunk(got it)

I Have a ' '70 supreme trunk I also have MANY other parts for ' 70 supremes
TOO many! I'd be glad to help!
If you or anyone else needs parts please E-Mail me privately
Anthony B.
Oldsnut1@aol.com

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 20:35:47 -0400
Subject: Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, Mark W. Eichin wrote:
> Are there any lists out there specifically for 1950-1959 oldsmobile
> models?  The volume and enthusiasm of the "youngsters" is getting to
> be more than I have time to keep up with :-)  If there's interest I'd
> consider hosting one, but if there's one already out there, I figure
> this would be the place to find out...

I don't know of any. There *does* seem to be a definite shortage of folks
on the net with interest in these vintages as compared to newer models. I
always regret that we don't have a little more balance here. I for one
would love to know more about the early Rocket V-8s. When I win the
lottery ;-) I think I might like to have a '50 98 convertible...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 20:39:06 -0400
Subject: Re: High RPM stress

On Tue, 25 Feb 1997, buehner wrote:
<snip>
> i.e. if you were to take a 4 speed f*rd, and remove
> the spark plugs so there is no compression at all (removing the plugs
> ~there~ might be optional:) and then towed the car with your Olds, leaving
> the f*rd in first so the engine rotates, the engine would still reach
> critical RPM with ~no~ compression, and become even more dead-in-the-water
> than it started as.  It's my guess that the RPM it dies at would be the same
> with or without compression.  I've never seen any proving grounds to test
> that idea, though.  Any volunteers?  You can use my neighbor's f*rd, as long
> as you go in a straight line -- no keys, ya know... :)

Charley, stop it... that made me laugh so hard my knee operation started
hurting again... :)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: prlmteed@idcnet.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 20:18:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Need help understanding brakes ?

It's my understanding that the front brakes account for the greatest majority
of your stopping power.  Glazed rotors and pads could account for some of
your problems.  Remove the rotors and have them turned.

Pat

------------------------------

From: idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 21:19:09 -0400
Subject: Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?

>
>
>> I share your frustration.  I am a '49-50 Olds fan and most of these kids
>>don't even know what they look like.
>> Let me know if you find a group.
>
>
> Hey, I take offense at that remark --I may be only nineteen, but I
>cut my teeth on the cars of the early fifties -- including both my
>father's daily drivers - a '50 Ch*vy 2-dr sedan and '54 Bel-Air
>convertible (the '50 made it close to 200,000 miles before body rot
>relegrated it to the barn).  These cars were my first love, along
>with all the classics of the thirties and 40's.  I am a member of the
>Model A Restorers Club of America (yes, I said MODEL 'A' FORD!) as
>well as a restoration apprentice at America's Packard Museum in
>Dayton, Ohio, where I have been involved with such projects as the
>'38 Packard V-12 All weather Cabriolet(w/custom coachwork by Brunn) once
owned by
>Admiral Byrd and a '40 Packard Town Car used by FDR and his wife at
>the White House.  (I'm also a full time Mechanical Engineering student
>at the University of Dayton).  And while I do plan to make a nice,
>fast cruiser out of my '65 Starfire, I am not the long haired teenage
>speed freak that your comment suggests.  I joined this page to learn
>more about Oldsmobiles and see what kind of folks I could meet.
>Oh, and BTW, my last purchase was a rough '57 Roadmaster convt. that
>I intent to restore to pure stock in the future.
>
>And sir, I do know what '49-'50 Oldsmobiles
>look like, and I think they are quite beautiful.
>
>To everybody else on the list -- sorry for the non subject, but he
>got my dander up!
>
> '65 Starfire
> '65 T-Bird -- original
> '57 Buick Roadmaster ragtop
> '73 Cougar convertible
>
>Shaun R. Guillermin
>
>
>Hey!  At least I got more space for early Olds' than this page has seen in
a year!  You're my kind of kid!
Bill Goodnight
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

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From: "Guillermo Santucci" <San2cci@msn.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 11:00:31 -0400
Subject: RE: 1971 350 engine paint

Try Dave Smith Oldsmobiles (DSE Racing).  I bought 2 cans for 4 bucks ea.
Their # is (909) 371-7040.  Address   1838 Wild Turkey Circle, Corona
California, 91720.  Hope this helps.

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From: sguiller@stumail.engr.udayton.edu
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 16:46:33 -0400
Subject: Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?

> >Hey!  At least I got more space for early Olds' than this page has seen in
> a year!  You're my kind of kid!
> Bill Goodnight

Now that's more like it! Thanks.
Shaun R. Guillermin

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:05:34 -0400
Subject: High RPM Stress con'd

Charley,

I like your idea about testing the  "compression/no-compression" theory.
I would love to try it out!
However, I believe the compression would be an important factor in the
bearing stress.  If you have compressed gas (air, or fuel and air) in
the cylinder, then the pressure it's exerting(sp?) on the piston would
have the effect of making the reciprocating assembly weigh more, wouldn't
it?  "Weight", after all, is not the measure of the assembly's mass, but
the force of gravity acting on that mass. If the motor has no compression
and is not running then all you would have acting on the bearings would be
the weight of the assembly itself.  However, if you add the force from the
compressed gas (let alone from a fuel-air combustion) then you increase
the force applied to the piston, and thereby to the assembly; you have
effectively made that assembly weigh more.  At least as far as the
bearings and the oil are concerned.

I know this isn't really an Olds discussion.  Hope y'all don't mind a
little "tech talk"!

            Jim

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From: John and Robin Whitcore <retrotek@phoenixat.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 17:17:42 -0400
Subject: Re: 1971 350 engine paint

>David Nye wrote:
>>
>> I Don't want to spend nine-bucks a can for Fusick paint... anybody >got a
>> brand name and a color code for me for gold 350 engine paint?
>>                                 David Nye
>>                                 '71 Cutlass Droptop


>NAPA used to carry Olds gold and blue engine paint. I think you would
>have to special order it. It cost about 4 or 5 bucks.

>Danny

My experience with the NAPA Olds gold was less than good (looks more
like copper than gold and doesn't have any luster to it). The Fusick
paint is really well worth it. For spray paint it coats evenly and
leaves a real nice smooth finish. Definitley worth the extra couple of
bucks!
$.02........john

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:21:39 -0400
Subject: Re: 394 for sale...

John
 I have a 64 Dynamic 88 I'm parting out, it is still running and driving, its
body is real bad. I'll sell the eng & trans for 650.00 strap it to a pallet
and plster pack it and ship it freight collect to Dallas by Yellow Freight
 truck line from Providence, R.I.


Everett 401-435-7139

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From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:22:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Water Wetter

In a message dated 97-02-25 09:07:26 EST, you write:

<< Yup,  Saw it on the counter at Super Shops once.  I remember asking if
they >>

My thanks to others of the greater Chicago area for their input. I've never
seen a "Super Shops", my favorites being Giant Auto, and when they
dissapeared from my area, the Pep Boys. I shall have to visit the Super Shop
(singular?) on Irving Park Rd. Incidentally, what in the nether reaches of
perdition is Kodak "Photo Flo"?

As always, Oldsgurus provide enlightenment...


Thanks again

Karl Aune
Chicago,IL
1965 Dynamic 88

Duct tape; it sticks to children almost as well as napalm.

(Oh all right! I apologize to those squeamish few who don't appreciate the
dark humor. I am sorry. (Fortunately for me looks aren't everything!))

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 22:21:49 -0400
Subject: Olds Chat on Dalnet

Well, Tuesdays chat turn out was pretty poor. However, there is time to
redeem yourself...the unoffical offical times for the Chat have become
Tuesdays and Wednesdays at 7pm central.  You can still make Wednesdays
chat.

Here are the specifics:

Time:  7pm - ??
Days:  Tues and Wens
Place:  Dalenet, channel /OLDSMOBILE

Remember, the channel is available 24/7, so stop by anytime and see who
is on.

- -Dan

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:10:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 50's Oldsmobile lists?

I'll join a 50's list as my 61 STARFIRE is getting lonely also

Everett

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From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:13:38 -0400
Subject: Re: 50's Oldsmobile lists?

Speaking of 50's, I ran across a neat car in the junkyard Sun. It was a
50 or 51 2 dr coupe that had a 57 J2 motor in it(I think).  The carbs were
gone but the motor was still there with a tripower manifold on it with a
part number starting with 57 something.  I bet that car was a lot of fun in
its day with the standard shift and tripower. Too bad the car is rusted out,
this was one trick setup in the 50's.

Mike
66 442
69 H/O
70 W30
71 convt

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From: PaulP34167@aol.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:31:24 -0400
Subject: Re: High RPM stress

In a message dated 97-02-25 10:46:25 EST, you write:

<< If an engine fails at high rpms, I would think it's a combination of the
 cylinder compression and the reciprocating mass, as well as the high
 temperatures.  That's assuming no material flaws, and good machining and
 tolerances.  The stress on not only the crankshaft, but also the rods,
 pins, bolts, etc. increases exponentially as the engine speed increases.
 It's been a few years since I've studied this sort of thing but I'll pull
 out the ol' textbook and verify this info.  This is an interesting subject
 and I'd also like to hear what everyone else thinks. >>

Engine failure at high RPM would also be determined by the oil and oil
pressure.  If the oil viscosity is not sufficient or the oil pressure is not
high enough, the fluid film that separates the bearing from the journal could
be pushed out causing metal to metal contact.

Paul Pate
70 Cutlass S

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From: morris_s_gould@amoco.com
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:37:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: 50's Oldsmobile lists?

     I have a 50 club coupe Deluxe ,bought from the original owner in 1972,
     65K mile all the paper work, green paint, sunvissor, radio,heater, fog
     lamps back up lights,.I drove it to work tonight. Morris


______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Re[2]: 50's Oldsmobile lists?
Author:  oldsmobile-owner (oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca) at unix,sh Date:
2/25/97 9:10 PM


I'll join a 50's list as my 61 STARFIRE is getting lonely also

Everett


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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 1997 23:54:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Cotter pin reuse

At 03:13 PM 2/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>> >Oh, *do* fill us in on the reasons, Wiz.  I know knowledge is power 'n'
all :)
>> >but please share the wealth with us on the reasons for the Rules,
whether they
>> >be exact or speculative.
>> OK, here goes,
>>
>> No. 1:
>
><Explanations, all of which is useful and cool, snipped for brevity>
>
>Thanks, Wiz!  I especially liked the anecdotes of the 'Goat Piss' Assy Plant,
>too -- Snipe Hunting fer sure :)
>
>>From the French: Chevre, meaning Goat; and 'olet', derived from 'eau de
toilet',
>meaning toilet water...
>
>Hey, it beats using asterisks!
>
>
>
>Tim ( "Je suis Present" is All I Remember from HS French Class ) Churchill
>-------------
>'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
>'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
>'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
>
>

You remember a great deal more French, than I do, from my French class in
High School.  But then maybe I've been away longer.

The Wiz

P.S. I expect that there are perfume manufacturers that may take exception
to your explaination of "eau de toilet."

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