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oldsmobile-digest          Monday, 17 March 1997       Volume 01 : Number 563

Red Inner Fenders
RE: 1997 Oldsmobile Cutlass GLS
Re: Leaky valve cover gaskets....
Re: Convertible top cleaning
Converting to internally regulated alternator
Re: Leaky valve cover gaskets....
1956 W/S Conversion
Hold down "spacers" for valve covers
OOPS, plus additional mileage question
RE: Leaky valve cover gaskets.....
Re: Hold down "spacers" for valve covers
Re: Converting to internally regulated alternator
Re: Red Inner Fenders
Re: Red Inner Fenders
Re: 1956  W/S wiper conversion
olds corporate e-mail
Re: Iola Wisconsin Car Show
Re: J.C. you know who quality Q...
Re: J.C. you know who quality Q...
Re: Iola Wisconsin Car Show
56 Olds Windshield Wipers
Positive battery tube + tac calibration
Re: Axle Code
Re: 1956 W/S wiper conversion
Re: OOPS, plus additional mileage question
Re: OOPS, plus additional mileage question - 307 Delta
Smog pump on '66 dynamic
Re: Positive battery tube + tac calibration
Headliner
Re: 1956 W/S wiper conversion
Re: Headliner
Re: 1956  W/S wiper conversion
Re: Headliner
Re: H.O. Quad 4
Re: 1997 Oldsmobile Cutlass GLS
Nasty Rumor
Re: OOPS, plus additional mileage question
Re:to ADMIN: Re: email problem
Seats...
Re: 1997 Oldsmobile Cutlass GLS
Re: 455 or 350 in place of 307. Could I do it?
1956 Intake Manifold Swap
Warning Light
Re: Converting to internally regulated alternator
Re: Warning Light
Re: Warning Light
47 olds hot rod up-date
Re: Nasty Rumor
looking for parts
Re:OOPS, plus additional mileage question
Fender Needed(fwd)
Re: looking for parts
re:WANTED: 1956 windshield
Back home (NON-OLDS)
Re: Converting to internally regulated alternator
Subject: H.O. Quad 4
Re: Headliner
tuned up the XC
Top boot needed

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From: SRB442@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 10:34:28 -0400
Subject: Red Inner Fenders

Hi,
     I will be getting red inner fender wells soon and am looking for someone
who has bought them and how they fit. I know someone got them from year 1 and
they fit terrible. I know the color is off. Also does anyone know if there is
more than one manufacturer of these. I am doing a frame off on a 1970 442 and
am adding the W-30 package as I always wanted a W-30. This car is a non
numbers matching car and am building it to drive and have fun with.






















                                                                        Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

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From: Marvin Kirschenbaum <kirschm@hoflink.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 10:57:41 -0400
Subject: RE: 1997 Oldsmobile Cutlass GLS

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From: 	Kevin Wong[SMTP:brougham@geocities.com]
Sent: 	Sunday, March 16, 1997 12:20 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Re: 1997 Oldsmobile Cutlass GLS

> > I am considering purchasing a 1997 Oldsmobile Cutlass GLS, with the
only
> > option of a CD/Cassette radio being ordered.  I would be interested in
> > getting any opinions, both good or bad.
>
> Get the Quad 4.

I think the Cutlass was originally supposed to receive the same base
engine as the M*libu, the 2.4L Twin Cam (the successor to the Quad 4).
However, before its introduction, the 3.1L V6 was chosen to become the
sole powerplant offered.  Can anyone confirm this?  I've also heard that
they will be marketing the Cutlass in Canada, despite an earlier
announcement to the contrary.

The 3.1 engine is the only one offered in this car.  The Malibu has the
choice of the 2.4 or the 3.1

The reports on the new M*libu/Cutlass have all been favourable.  One
popular comment was that the styling has an 'import' flavour.  Although
the latter trait isn't desirable to many on this list, the Cutlass
is still a highly competitive mid-size sedan.  Although this is a
'new' model, many components, like the drivetrain, are carry-overs, so
reliability should not be a concern.  Have you test-driven a new Cutlass?
What are your initial impressions??

I did test drive a leather clad version last week.  I thought that the
enigne had enough power, and that the fit and finish was very good.  I had
heard that the seats were not very supportive, but I disagree, the seats
were fine.

I did purchase the car yesterday, Green Metallic with tan leather seats.  I
expect to take delivery within 4 weeks, the car is scheduled to be built on
the 17th of March.  The car was already ordered for stock, and since I only
wanted the radio upgrade, I was lucky.

I previously owned a 1977 Cutlass, so I guess that means that I will be
buying one every 20 years ;-)

Kevin Wong

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From: Aaron Neumann <neumann.12@osu.edu>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 10:59:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Leaky valve cover gaskets....

Jim or others, is it OK to reuse rubber valve cover gaskets?  I did and had
a leak, but tightening the bolts seemed to make it go away.
********
Aaron Neumann Coulumbus, OH  (614) 294-7354
neumann.12@osu.edu
'72 Delta 88 Royale Conv.


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From: Aaron Neumann <neumann.12@osu.edu>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 10:59:28 -0400
Subject: Re: Convertible top cleaning

John, the only thing I've found that works is "Mean Green."  I havn't tried
any cleaners made expressly for ragtop cleaning, but Mean Green works great
and is cheap.  Comes in a 32 ounce spray bottle.  Spray on, scrub lightly,
and hose off.  I'd keep it away from the stiching though...the stuff is
concentrate and who knows what it'll do to it.
********
Aaron Neumann Coulumbus, OH  (614) 294-7354
neumann.12@osu.edu
'72 Delta 88 Royale Conv.


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From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 11:56:47 -0400
Subject: Converting to internally regulated alternator

The FAQ has a listing for externally-regulated-to-internally-regulated
alternators and says it is a good idea to make the conversion, but it
doesn't mention HOW to do it.

Can someone describe the conversion process?  What parts (besides the
alternator) will I need, and where do I find these parts?

I should mention that I am in favor of this conversion, but would like to
keep the stock appearance; that is, I'd like to keep as much of the wiring
"as is" as possible.

Thanks for any ideas.

Bob
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 12:28:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Leaky valve cover gaskets....

At 10:59 AM 3/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Jim or others, is it OK to reuse rubber valve cover gaskets?  I did and had
>a leak, but tightening the bolts seemed to make it go away.
>********
>Aaron Neumann Coulumbus, OH  (614) 294-7354
>neumann.12@osu.edu
>'72 Delta 88 Royale Conv.
>
>

Aaron

        You may get away with this once but thats about it. Yes you would
have to tighten them just a little more the second time to keep them from
leaking. The next time it comes off expect to replace them.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442 >

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From: chray@Logical.Net
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 12:32:32 -0400
Subject: 1956 W/S Conversion

John:
        i have a copy of the vaccum schematics for the '56 if that will help
you.  I'd be interested to know how you make out. Why do you want to convert
to electric??  Maybe I should do the same???

Ray Rettig
1956 Olds Rocket 88 4-door sedan

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From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 13:02:25 -0400
Subject: Hold down "spacers" for valve covers

Jim,


Have you ever seen metal "Spacers' that connect the valve cover screws
together?? I think that these are used to prevent the screws from backing
off the valve cover. Where can I buy these new?? Or is there something more
modern out there thats in use?

Let me Know
 AAron D Eoff
"77 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 12:51:32 -0400
Subject: OOPS, plus additional mileage question

First, sorry to all '80 Cutlass type people (my original dislike for the
car has always stemmed from the crazy rumor that Oldsmobile forgot to
mention this little fact, and was in fact sued by customers who bought
these  cars.  I'm a skeptic, can anyone verify/trash/or elaborate on this
tale)

Secon, MILEAGE QUESTION
My mom just bought a 1983 4dr delta-88,307 4spd overdrive.  The car runs
good, but not absolutely perfect, and the mileage under good conditions
is only a whopping <B>20</B> mpg.  Of course, with using a small engine
and od tranny to get the best mileage out of a car, mileage will fall off
under non-perfect driving (The 78 olds 88 that it replaced sat at about
21, rain, shine, air conditioning, etc..)  But , I would like to ask the
experience of people similarly equipped, what roughly should this car
peak at for mpg's under good conditions (please note US or IMPERIAL
gallons).  Thanx

EA~

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From: "Lynda E. Wojt" <talkwojt@aracnet.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 13:21:30 -0400
Subject: RE: Leaky valve cover gaskets.....

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Victor makes gaskets that are laminated steel and cork.
They work. Period. Take alot of on and offs too. #VS38305TC

The Wizard of Olds
David Wojt (Voit)

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From: 	Aaron D Eoff[SMTP:sheep542@mindspring.com]
Sent: 	Friday, March 14, 1997 11:05 PM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Leaky valve cover gaskets.....

Can anyone tell me why my valve cover gaskets always seem to leak? Its not a
lot but even a little is unacceptable. It's strange but it seems like the
oil seeps through the valve cover screws that over time loosen. Is there any
way to prevent this from happening? And lastly what type of gasket should i
use;--     cork, rubber, a combination of both or what, and should this be
installed using RTV silicone??

Aaron D Eoff
77 OLds Cutlass "S"




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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 13:31:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Hold down "spacers" for valve covers

At 01:02 PM 3/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Jim,
>
>
>Have you ever seen metal "Spacers' that connect the valve cover screws
>together?? I think that these are used to prevent the screws from backing
>off the valve cover. Where can I buy these new?? Or is there something more
>modern out there thats in use?
>
>Let me Know
> AAron D Eoff
>"77 Olds Cutlass Supreme
>


Aaron

        If you notice your screws backing out or becoming loose on you go
buy new bolts specially made for valve covers. These are normally found in
the HELP section of your auto parts store. The reason I say this is there
are small teeth on the back of these screws to help keep them tightened.
Hope this helps.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442>

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From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:33:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Converting to internally regulated alternator

Robert J. Lavey wrote:
>
> The FAQ has a listing for externally-regulated-to-internally-regulated
> alternators and says it is a good idea to make the conversion, but it
> doesn't mention HOW to do it.
>
> Can someone describe the conversion process?  What parts (besides the
> alternator) will I need, and where do I find these parts?
>
> I should mention that I am in favor of this conversion, but would like to
> keep the stock appearance; that is, I'd like to keep as much of the wiring
> "as is" as possible.
>
> Thanks for any ideas.
>
> Bob
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>  Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
>  13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
>  Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
> -----------------------------------------------------------------

Hey to Bob Lavey,
My 69 Toro has an internally regulated alternator vice externally. That
conversion was done some time back before I purchased the car. John Pajak
or Doug Kitchner or Sparky or many of the guys can help you. I bet that
the parts store i.e. NAPA could tell you or there may be instructions in
the alternator box. I know that I like the price of this vintage
alternator 30.00 vs 150-200 for todays cars. Good luck with your
conversion.
Reg

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From: FBrussee@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 13:49:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Red Inner Fenders

I have seen the repro from Brothers and they seem to look pretty good and fit
well.  Sure beats buying 6 used sets to get one good pair like I did!

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From: SRB442@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 14:17:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Red Inner Fenders

Thnaks for the information. I have a used set and they look pretty bad. How
long ago did you buy them.
                                                          Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 09:00:53 -0400
Subject: Re: 1956  W/S wiper conversion

John Foster wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
>         I have a 1956 Super 88 and I am looking for a way to convert my
> windshield wipers from vaccum to electric.  Are there any kits
> available.  Has anyone had any success in this conversion?  Please send
> information.  Thank you
>
>
>                                         sincerely
>
>                                         John Foster

John,

Chevrolet had an electric option at that time that may fit the small
Olds.  I have heard that the motors are expensive but available.  I'm
saying this because it may be that the motor is the only different part
needed for the conversion besides wiring & a switch.

I'd check w/Chevy people & the Chevy parts catalogs.  Hemmings will give
you some ideas.

I believe that the larger Olds had a different windshield & wiper system
that would require the Cadillac system if they had one.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: seymour@msmisp.com (Buddy Ward)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 15:38:16 -0400
Subject: olds corporate e-mail

DO YOU HAVE ANY E-MAIL ADDRESSES FOR OLDS PEOPLE AT THE CORPORATE
MARKETING LEVEL?

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 09:38:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Iola Wisconsin Car Show

Easton,Jeffrey wrote:
>
> Anybody planning on going to the big car show in Iola Wisconsin
> this July?  I originally dismissed this show as; a> I had no idea
> where it was and b> it didnt sound interesting.
>
> Well, I just read that they are celebrating the olds centennial
> this year and that they plan to have a model from each of Olds
> 100 years there.  Hmmm.  Sounds like a warm-up to the Lansing
> event.  I looked it up on a map and Iola is a tiny town about
> in the center of the state.  Kinda west of Green Bay and south
> of Wasau.  Hard to believe they can hold a huge car show there.
>
> Anybody going this year or have gone in the past?  Is it worth
> a 200 mile ride to get there? :-)
>
> -Jeff
> jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com
>
> 1970  442  4-Speed
> see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

Jeff,

I have been to Iola twice & enjoyed it both times.  The flea market is
very large & some very unusual items are available.  It is not all Chevy
& Ford - just close.  The car show is very good.  There is a fellow that
displays a collection of Mopars that is unbelievable.  The for sale cars
are rather interesting & the prices are not too bad.  At least they are
negotiable.

I expect to go again this year.  The main trouble is getting a room.
Again I am doing my planning late.  Here's hoping that I can get
something at this late date.  I hope to see some of you there.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 09:53:20 -0400
Subject: Re: J.C. you know who quality Q...

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
>
> At 04:40 PM 3/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >Scott R Clark wrote:
> >
	<snip>

  I've ordered and installed carpet in my 3 oldsmobiles, a
> >69 ElCamino SS, 71 Cutlass S, 67 and a 76 Chevy pickup, and a 78 GMC
> >truck. They all turned out great!
>
> I'll second this.  I've ordered carpets for my '64 and '75 Olds's from
> Whitney, and I've not been disappointed. Everything has been cut and fits
> well, and I appreciated the kickpad and dimmer grommet.  The only real
> cutting I've had to do has been for the dimmer switch.
>
> Dan
>
> ************************************************
> Dan Gulino


Dan,

I was in the state of Washington a few years ago & heard of a fellow
that had some Olds parts.  I wanted a carpet set for my '62 Jetfire for
one thing & asked the fellow about one.  He knew that I was from AL &
told me that 90% of all the carpeting came from CAR in Anniston, AL.  He
even told me that if I bought his that they would be shipped form
Anniston to my home in Decatur.

The gist was that no matter what I paid for the carpeting, that it was
made in Anniston by CAR.  I have checked around & found that CAR doesn't
have the best price on their own goods either.  I bought my Buick molded
carpet set from Tamaraz's for much less than CAR would sell their own.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 09:56:02 -0400
Subject: Re: J.C. you know who quality Q...

James & Joanne Chermack wrote:
>
> >
> Hey Guys
>
>         I want to inject my 2 cents worth. If you're going to spend that
> kind of money purchase your carpets from Auto Custom Carpets. I've purchased
> 8-10 sets from them.The fit and finish is outstanding. Plus the usually sell
> for about $89-95. They pay attention to the details.
>
> Jim Chermack
> 70 Cutlass SX W-32
> 72 442

Jim,

I'll have to correct myself on CAR.  Of course that should be ACC.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: FBrussee@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:04:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Iola Wisconsin Car Show

This will be my first year at Iola- at least a 450 mile drive for me, so it
better be!  I plan to bring my 70 Supreme convertible, my 72 H/O convertible
or my 72 sunroof coupe- depends on whether or not I can borrow a trailer.
 Hey, anybody out there want to rent me a nice trailer for the weekend?  It
would pull nice behind my Suburban!

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From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:08:45 -0400
Subject: 56 Olds Windshield Wipers

I owned a '56 for 9 years as a youngster.  Those vacuum operated wipers were
OK when brand new but went downhill pretty fast after that.

A couple of suggestions:

1.  As an interim fix try opening the vacuum motor and add some white grease
to the sides and leather (I think) on the vane. That will get it going again
for a short while.  The problem is that the sides of the housing and leather
wear away.  I never tried it (they were available new back then) but I
suspect polishing of the housing and replacement of the leather could be done
to save the original.

2. The 57 Chevy had an optional electric windshield wiper motor which
replaced the vacuum operated item as a bolt-in.  The Chevy vac. unit _looks_
the same as the Olds externally.  You might want to consider trying one of
the Chevy units.  They are available from the restoration industry.  A bit
pricey too as I recall.

Bob Handren        OCA/OCF# 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

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From: scott or sharon <jerdan@erols.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:25:58 -0400
Subject: Positive battery tube + tac calibration

Hello all,

I would like to extend my thanks to Scott Mullen for his post on calibrating
rally pack tacs.  Just did this yesterday and my tac was off by about 700
RPM.  Turning 2700 at 60 MPH is much more acceptable than what I thought was
3400.  Anyway thanks again Scott.  Also someone recently asked about a
positive battery tube.  I just got one from a local olds dealer part #
563772 (F-Tube Bat) $5.06.  It is a little shorter than the original and the
color looks like card board.  Also Super Cars (1 888 653-7442) new catalog
also has these in it's 97 catalog. Don't know if they are the same, their
price is $12.95.  Finally, I've got a question about what a good price for
an AM/FM stereo would be for a 70-72 442, I'll be looking for one at Carlise
in april.


Scott Jerdan
70 W-30

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:32:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Axle Code

This following info is from the GM Parts Fische

  for 1983 the AF code was for a 3.73 ratio 7.50 ring gear non-posi rear rear
end


Hope this helps


Everett Horton  OCA #1961

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:41:46 -0400
Subject: Re: 1956 W/S wiper conversion

John
  This info may be a little vague but can give you a direction to search. A
 couple of years ago I heard a conversation about this conversion and they
used a Cadillac system of that year or a year or so later that was electric
and it was an easy conversion. Like I said its vague but some direction.

Everett Horton  OCA #1961

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From: Ryan Hehn <RYANH@docker.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:54:45 -0400
Subject: Re: OOPS, plus additional mileage question

Eric Aksomitis wrote:
>
> First, sorry to all '80 Cutlass type people (my original dislike for the
> car has always stemmed from the crazy rumor that Oldsmobile forgot to
> mention this little fact, and was in fact sued by customers who bought
> these  cars.  I'm a skeptic, can anyone verify/trash/or elaborate on this
> tale)

I think you've got this story a little mixed up.  I believe it was
somewhere around 76-78 (someone correct me if I'm wrong)that Olds got in
trouble for putting the Chev engines in their cars.  I have an old ad
for the '81 Cutlass that has a disclaimer something to the effect of
'Oldsmobile cars may be equipped with engines from various GM
divisions'.
Not sure exactly when this disclaimer was first used.

Of course, for 80's stories there's always the 350 Olds diesel drama.

> Secon, MILEAGE QUESTION
> My mom just bought a 1983 4dr delta-88,307 4spd overdrive.  The car runs
> good, but not absolutely perfect, and the mileage under good conditions
> is only a whopping <B>20</B> mpg.  Of course, with using a small engine
> and od tranny to get the best mileage out of a car, mileage will fall off
<snip>

You should be getting better mileage than this.  We have an '81 Delta
with 307, non-O/D that averages around 21-23 on the highway.  We've had
as good as 26.  I've heard the O/D Deltas can get up to 31 on a good
day, but that would be tough. I had a minor miracle occur with my '86
Cutlass once (305).  40 mpg on a 200km flat-land run with a 60 km/h wind
behind me...  Never been able to recreate that!

Anyway, the point is it sounds like you need some tuning.

All mpg's are stated in IMPERIAL gallons.

Ryan Hehn
ryanh@docker.com

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From: "Marvin Friesen" <gowest@direct.ca>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 17:00:56 -0400
Subject: Re: OOPS, plus additional mileage question - 307 Delta

First, 1 US gallon = .8326 Imperial Gallons

My daily driver is 83 Olds 2 door 307 4sp auto. Under ideal conditions I
get 22.5 mpg (27 mpg imperial) highway. Ideal is hot (85+ F), no wind,
empty. Car seems to run on vapours when the weather is hot.

I have a non standard rearend. 3.43? It was ordered to make it more
drivable and I think it makes a difference. (Very nice setup for stop and
go city driving too). This car feels like it floats on the highway under
ideal conditions. Ideal speed for this set up I feel is around 65-70 mph in
od.

Average is 21 mpg (25 mpg imperial).

But, give it a load or headwind and milage suffers badly. Hill climbing
means manual shifting down to 3rd early regularily because otherwise
transmission wants to lockup and lug a while before it will shift. I'd hate
to tow a travel trailer.

Worse ever: on a 1000 mile trip, 17 mpg (imperial) towing a small utility
trailer (1500 lbs) in mountainous terrain, 32 F.


BTW, my 76 350 3 spd Cutlass gets 19 mpg (23 mpg imperial) but much more
consistently. Worsever: 11 mpg towing 1500 lbs in a moderate headwind at
- -30 F.

1976 Cutlass S (1st owner)
1976 Cutlass S (2nd owner)
1983 Delta 88  (1st owner)

Marvin Friesen
Vancouver, BC, Canada
- ----------
> From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
> To: Olds M List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: OOPS, plus additional mileage question
> Date: Sunday, March 16, 1997 8:51 AM
>
> MILEAGE QUESTION
> My mom just bought a 1983 4dr delta-88,307 4spd overdrive.  The car runs
> good, but not absolutely perfect, and the mileage under good conditions
> is only a whopping <B>20</B> mpg.  Of course, with using a small engine
> and od tranny to get the best mileage out of a car, mileage will fall off

> under non-perfect driving (The 78 olds 88 that it replaced sat at about
> 21, rain, shine, air conditioning, etc..)  But , I would like to ask the
> experience of people similarly equipped, what roughly should this car
> peak at for mpg's under good conditions (please note US or IMPERIAL
> gallons).  Thanx
>
> EA~

------------------------------

From: Greg Yonge <gsyonge@genesisnetwork.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 17:16:57 -0400
Subject: Smog pump on '66 dynamic

Just a quick question that maybe someone can help me with:

I'm in CA looking at a 1966 dynamic 88 w/ the 425 and TH400
It's missing the smog pump, but the "dealer" who's selling it says its
perfectly legal. How can I find out what state the car was 1st sold in?

------------------------------

From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 17:19:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Positive battery tube + tac calibration

         FYI,
                 When i pulled the engine out of the 1970 Delta Royale, i
noticed a cardboard tube that was mounted to the rear of the 455.  I am
assuming that is the part you are talking about  ---  If its of any interest
to any restorers out there this tube
is a mixture of chinese red/orange in color and the steel retaining strap was
left its natural color.  It doesn't appear that the tube was painted this
color and it's construction is spiral wrapt cardboard.

    I don't know if that is of any interest to anyone --- but it's just
something i noticed.

              J2RKT@aol.com

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From: Brian S Steinbach <bssst19+@pitt.edu>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 17:28:54 -0400
Subject: Headliner

I have a 85 Cutlass Supreme and the headliner is sagging severely.  I took
it off and I broke two of the clips holding the metal panel over the
windshield that holds the headliner up.  And I have to get a new headliner
because it can not be reused.  Does anyone know were to get a headliner
and the clips?  If you do know please reply it would be really
appreciated.

Brian Steinbach
bssst19+@pitt.edu

------------------------------

From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 18:17:01 -0400
Subject: Re: 1956 W/S wiper conversion

>   This info may be a little vague but can give you a direction to search. A
>  couple of years ago I heard a conversation about this conversion and they
> used a Cadillac system of that year or a year or so later that was electric
> and it was an easy conversion. Like I said its vague but some direction.

In 1957, Cadillac was still using vacuum operated wipers.  An
electric system wasn't even available that year!  Although my reference
doesn't say so, I think '58 was the first year Cadillac offered electric
wipers.

Kevin Wong

------------------------------

From: Ossipee104@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 19:08:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Headliner

TRY A UPHOLSTRY SHOP OR SUPPLY PLACE THEY HAVE ALL THAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR.
iT IS NOT HARD TO DO EITHER.






                                                                   OSSIPEE104

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 19:27:37 -0400
Subject: Re: 1956  W/S wiper conversion

- ----------
> From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: 1956  W/S wiper conversion
> Date: Sunday, March 16, 1997 7:00 AM
>
> John Foster wrote:
> >
> > Folks,
> >
> >         I have a 1956 Super 88 and I am looking for a way to convert my
> > windshield wipers from vaccum to electric.
>
> Chevrolet had an electric option at that time that may fit the small
> Olds.  I have heard that the motors are expensive but available.  I'm
> saying this because it may be that the motor is the only different part
> needed for the conversion besides wiring & a switch.

You are correct in saying the chevy wiper is avalible it is $200 from H&H.
501-787-5575 or fax 501-787-6118. If it will work the conversion is easy.
It uses the original cable to turn it on and off as the switch is built
into the motor. All you have to do is replace the motor and run a switched
12 V lead to the new one and your done. My 56 Belair has one. I don't have
a older Olds to compare so I dont know if the system is the same but its
worth looking into.
Walter

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 20:10:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Headliner

At 05:28 PM 3/16/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>I have a 85 Cutlass Supreme and the headliner is sagging severely.  I took
>it off and I broke two of the clips holding the metal panel over the
>windshield that holds the headliner up.  And I have to get a new headliner
>because it can not be reused.  Does anyone know were to get a headliner
>and the clips?  If you do know please reply it would be really
>appreciated.
>
>Brian Steinbach
>bssst19+@pitt.edu
>

Brian

        Any upolstery shop worth it's name SHOULD be able to install the
headliner and have the clips. They're very common.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442>

------------------------------

From: Anti-HT movement <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:15:37 -0400
Subject: Re: H.O. Quad 4

Quad 4 Hop - up suggestions and thoughts!

first,easiest, and great power gain is bigger and better exhaust.  after
all 4 valves flow way more exhaust gases than a V8 outa 4cyl. i have 2.5 in
2 chambe flowmaster and 2.5 in pipe cat back with hi flow cat--makes a
considerable improvement!

for more money yor can get cams from several places:

mantapart sells a few but guarentee the SOB won't seel you any bigger than
w-41 specs, and plan on waiting a very very very long time if you order
parts from him.

GM performance has cams

COMP CAMS also sells them...i talked to them a few times about them and
they are much cheaper than mantapart. warning some people at COMP don't
know what a quad 4 is so roll the dice.

MAJOR WARNING....stay far away from centerforce clutches...a few of us quad
guys had them and none lasted more than 4000 miles...just completely blew
the thing into 50 or more pieces...the best clutch is the heavy duty GM for
HO Q4.

if you go with cams throw in a bigger throttle body and chip!

Jeff

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:25:42 -0400
Subject: Re: 1997 Oldsmobile Cutlass GLS

In a message dated 97-03-16 10:04:14 EST, you write:

> I did purchase the car yesterday, Green Metallic with tan leather seats.  I

>  expect to take delivery within 4 weeks, the car is scheduled to be built
on
>  the 17th of March.  The car was already ordered for stock, and since I
only
>  wanted the radio upgrade, I was lucky.

It's too bad you have to wait that long.  Our Olds showroom has two of these.
 Both have CD players.

>  I previously owned a 1977 Cutlass, so I guess that means that I will be
>  buying one every 20 years ;-)

Well, it you're only buying one every 20 years then it's not wonder Olds is
in the shape it's in.  So we can blame all this on you? ;)

Paul
>

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:26:37 -0400
Subject: Nasty Rumor

OK everybody, I don't want to start out everyone's Monday with bummer news,
after all, most of us are still recovering from the Hall's information we
received, but I've heard the following and want to know if there's truth to
it or not.

We had our chapter meeting today.  The chapter President was talking to the
Olds dealer who sponsors our fall show.  The story goes that the dealer
showed the President a letter from (GM?, Olds?) stating that GM must turn a
profit in the (2nd?, 3rd?) quarter or they are going to have to start
trimming the fat.  The first fat to be trimmed will be Oldsmobile as a
division.  It is claimed that this may take place even before the Centennial
arrives.

Do not get all excited about this information, as I am unclear on all the
details.  Does anyone know more about this?

Paul

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:25:53 -0400
Subject: Re: OOPS, plus additional mileage question

In a message dated 97-03-16 16:09:03 EST, you write:

> I believe it was
>  somewhere around 76-78 (someone correct me if I'm wrong)that Olds got in
>  trouble for putting the Chev engines in their cars.

That was in '77.  But Olds used Chevy inline sixes as early as '67.  And did
you know that LaSalles built between '34 and '38 used Oldsmobile straight 8s?

Paul

------------------------------

From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 22:19:45 -0400
Subject: Re:to ADMIN: Re: email problem

Karl Aune writes:
>The only
>curious quirk(?) that I have noticed is that often it takes a -long- time for
>the duplicates of my messages to reach me. I assume that this is due to AOL
>(sp; should be aol) congestion.

Karl,

I think you are correct that AOL is the source of the delay. I use a ISP
(Internet Service Provider) to gain access to the Net and this Email
group. I get my replies within a matter of minutes from my provider,
Netcom.

Regards,
Mike


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

------------------------------

From: Mike Hall <mikehal1@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 22:19:47 -0400
Subject: Seats...

I finally have a pair of nice buckets in my "S". They look great! They
aren't perfect but much better than what I had in there.

My previous pair of Sienna buckets are going to be picked up by this
lists, Mark Lefton. I look forward to Mark's trip to visit my humble hut
here in SE Michigan. Now that the interior of my Cutlass is not
"Tri-Color" anymore, on to more fundamental problems, engine leaks and
the installation of a new Edelbrock Performer carb. I have never
installed a electric choke before, any tips out there?

Kudo's to Mark Prince for the offer of his help to reskin my seats, we
will still do that someday Mark, after my Oldsmobuilding is up....

I have a friend (Yes, it's true!), who has a few Olds parts for sale. If
anyone has an interest in any of these parts, please respond directly to
my E-Mail address below. He has the following for a 1970-1972 A-body:
- - LH/RH Doors, stripped of paint
- - Either a LH or RH rear clip including the wheelwell (non-post style)
- - LH/RH Fenders, stripped of paint
- - Rocker Panels, new
- - Floor pans, somewhat already cut but fitted
The 442 front disc brake setup and the TH400 tranny has been grabbed by
me to put in my "S"....

Lurking,
Mike


Michael R. Hall                                Ortonville, Michigan
Home E-Mail: mikehal1@ix.netcom.com
The Oldsmobile Stable:
     1971 Oldsmobile 442, A Work In Progress...
     1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass S, 380 horses of pure Mondello fun...
     1991 Oldsmobile Eighty-Eight Royale Broughm, the classy one...

------------------------------

From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 01:42:48 -0400
Subject: Re: 1997 Oldsmobile Cutlass GLS

Marvin Kirschenbaum wrote:
>
> I am considering purchasing a 1997 Oldsmobile Cutlass GLS, with the only
> option of a CD/Cassette radio being ordered.  I would be interested in
> getting any opinions, both good or bad.
>
> Thank you

Have you considered the new Intrique?  It looks like a pretty sharp car
and evidently is pretty good competition for the competition (Maxima,
Camry) as per the recent issue of Motor Trend.  With the Intrique, you
get the tried and true 3800 V6 (195 hp), but you pay for it...

- --

+-----------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8

 adcockjk@erols.com
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason

+-----------------------------------+

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From: Olds455cut@aol.com
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 22:47:37 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 or 350 in place of 307. Could I do it?

I put a 455 in a 83 Cutlass Calais T-Top.  The hood closes, with the stock
intake and carb and an open element Moroso air cleaner.  When the weather in
NJ gets a little warmer, I plan on installing an Edelbrock Performer intake
and 750  Edelbrock carb.  If tyhis set up does not fit, I will buy the W30
hood from US Body Source.

Otherwise, the 455/TH400 fits in the 83 Cutlass, so go ahead!!!

Jerry

------------------------------

From: John Foster <jdfoster@n-link.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:04:20 -0400
Subject: 1956 Intake Manifold Swap

Folks,

	Will a intake manifold from a 1957 371 cu in engine(tri-carb)
fit a 1956 324 cu in engine?  Thanks for any help.

				sincerely,

				    John Foster

------------------------------

From: "Thomas H. West" <thwest@west1.org>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:14:51 -0400
Subject: Warning Light

I have a 1988 Cutlass Ciera.  On an intermittent basis, the Service Engine
warning light comes on along with the accompanying chime.  In all other
respects, there seem to be no other problems.  What causes this, and how
can it be corrected?  If necessary, how do I disconnect the light and
chime?

Thanks.

Thomas H. West
thwest@west1.org

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:23:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Converting to internally regulated alternator

At 10:56 AM 3/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>The FAQ has a listing for externally-regulated-to-internally-regulated
>alternators and says it is a good idea to make the conversion, but it
>doesn't mention HOW to do it.

Hmmm, there was a diagram posted on how to take an external regulator, and
jumper the internals so that you could use an internally-regulated
alternator without cutting any other wires. That must be in the archives,
but I couldn't begin to guess where; it was nearly a year ago, at least
though.

Is the person who posted that still here? I remember it was one of the more
electronically-adept guys on the list (not me, that's for sure).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:32:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Warning Light

At 11:14 PM 3/16/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I have a 1988 Cutlass Ciera.  On an intermittent basis, the Service Engine
>warning light comes on along with the accompanying chime.  In all other
>respects, there seem to be no other problems.  What causes this, and how
>can it be corrected?  If necessary, how do I disconnect the light and
>chime?

That light (and perhaps chime; never heard of that though) is triggered when
the computer detects a sensor that has a reading outside of its allowable
"normal" range. The computer stores a "trouble-code" for that abnormal
sensor reading in its memory, and you can recall that trouble code using a
very simple test procedure outlined in the FAQ (it involves using a
paperclip and your ignition key). The light blinks out the trouble codes
stored in memory, you see what sensor is reading incorrectly, and then begin
to diagnose the problem (whether the problem is with the sensor itself, the
wiring, or something *else* that might be causing the abnormal reading.

Of course, if you don't mind a malfunctioning car, you can always take the
"Tappet-Brothers" advice and put some black electrical tape over the light.
For the chime, you'd have to use earplugs.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 01:06:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Warning Light

well, depending on how many miles are on it, it is an indication that the
emissions needs to be checked.  It is set to alert you at intervals for
servicing. It could also indicate that you have a bad idle mixture or dying
O2 sensor.

------------------------------

From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 01:15:33 -0400
Subject: 47 olds hot rod up-date

I was curious what to do w/ my 47 olds...  go hot rod, or origional.
I decided to Rod it.  I need the mechanical parts to keep my
all origional 48 going.

I started "full swing" in december.  I found a "donor car" of an 81 olds
cutlass.  This car supplies my 47 with front independant suspension,
power disc brakes for the front, power steering, air conditioning,
and flat sheet metal for fabrication of parts.  It also is supplying me
with a "rear end" to handle the increase torque of a 1972 olds 350
and an 81 TH350.

on both the 47 and the 81, i cut the frame just behind the front tires,
cut a "U"shaped notch in the 81 frame for the 47 frame to "sit" in and
welded it together.

I have separated the body from the frame and gutted the interior of the
body of any upholstery.

I have to rebuild the front end (replace ball joints, shocks, breaks,
bushings, etc.) and finish making motor mounts for the power plant.

The engine and tranny are not in place yet, or brakes / lines installed
yet.  the body has "dings and dents".

I also work a full and a part time job to help pay for expenses, but i
am not married w/o kids.




With this information and "i am the only person workin' on this project",
do you think it will be possible to have the 47 driving and decently
"presentable" for lansing???


also...  I have an intake and carb. from both a 307 and also 260 motor.
the 307 is equipped w/ a 4 barrel, the 260 with a 2 barrel.
What is the difference in power, gas milage, better for towing (my 48
olds), and just has better "guts"???

thanks in advance.
- --jj

------------------------------

From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 00:18:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Nasty Rumor

The story goes that the dealer
> showed the President a letter from (GM?, Olds?) stating that GM must turn a
> profit in the (2nd?, 3rd?) quarter or they are going to have to start
> trimming the fat.  The first fat to be trimmed will be Oldsmobile as a
> division.  It is claimed that this may take place even before the Centennial
> arrives.
>
> Do not get all excited about this information, as I am unclear on all the
> details.  Does anyone know more about this?
>
> Paul

This rumor has been floating around for five years at least. I would not
put much stock in it.

Danny

------------------------------

From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 01:28:45 -0400
Subject: looking for parts

64 olds cutlass f-85 convertable, 330, 4 spd.,
looking for;
air cleaner
4 jet carb
console
steering wheel
body chrome
kozhill@titanlink.com

------------------------------

From: "IT" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 01:32:10 -0400
Subject: Re:OOPS, plus additional mileage question

I have a 1981 307 3speed and I will top about 21-23 miles per gallon
imperial with it.  Of course, the OD makes a difference but I think that a
couple of bottels of fuel system cleaner and your car may improve.  Also,
check to see if your brakes are draging, etc.

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 09:09:38 -0400
Subject: Fender Needed(fwd)

This was sent to me directly, so I'm forwarding it to the list. Art,
Jim, Everett, and others in the parts biz, he's not on the list so if
you have anything for him, send it to the msn.com address.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada


- ---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:07:01 -0400
From: S. Philip FORD <S_PHILIP@msn.com>
To: ab348@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: car

Greg,

	Hey, my name is Michael Morgan, and I am attending Auburn University.  
The
reason I am writing is because I also have a 1968 Oldsmobile Cutlass Holiday
S, but mine is a Convertable.  The only thing is that mine has a dent in the
driver's side fender.  I was wondering if you know how I would be able to put
my hands on one.  I look forward to your reply. You may reply in care of my
friend's e-mail account I sent this from.
Thank you.

Michael

			

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 09:12:52 -0400
Subject: Re: looking for parts

More news on the parts front... this person subscribed to the list, sent
the message below, then unsubscribed, so they're not here any more. If
anyone has anything for her, better send it directly.

Greg

On Mon, 17 Mar 1997, Jo-Anne Hillier wrote:

> 64 olds cutlass f-85 convertable, 330, 4 spd.,
> looking for;
> air cleaner
> 4 jet carb
> console
> steering wheel
> body chrome
> kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 06:50:20 -0400
Subject: re:WANTED: 1956 windshield

John and everybody.

We have a company here in Finland that produces windshields
for old cars.

A brand new windshield for 1956 Super 88 would cost
800FIM => about $160

Plus the shipping expenses which will stay under $100

If this is a bargain I am willing to help You.


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* X400  G=esko S=ilola O=tele A=mailnet C=fi *
* Tel.  +358 2040 3439                       *
*       +358 4055 75977                      *
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**********************************************
* Oldsmobile Ninety Eight 1964               *
*            Holiday Sports Sedan (4D HT)    *
**********************************************

------------------------------

From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 08:31:35 -0400
Subject: Back home (NON-OLDS)

Back home after four days in a circus called the CeBit.

That is a display in Hannover (Germany) where all self respective
telecommunication companies have their stands.

There will be over million visitors over 7 days. And most of the
visitors STAY there all these days just because the display is HUGE.
This is claimed to be the biggest display for telecommunication and
consumer electronics in the world. Can believe that.

Another huge thing was the beer-halls. There were over 3000 beer drinkers
in the SAME building that was colossal. Singing and dancing on the tables.
Roland and Mike, You MUST know what I'm talking about.

It was a pleasure to jump in our old reliable Niny at airport and allow my
sweet wife to drive me home :).


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I looked for Oldsmobiles around there. Not found.

I participated a private party arranged by NOKIA. They had the
Leningrad Cowboys playing there. What I noticed (besides the good
music) was that their instruments were decorated by car parts. On the
bass-guitar you could easily see numbers 442. Suited well to their
theme "Leningrad Cowboys go to space".

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From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 09:41:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Converting to internally regulated alternator

I did it on my 72. It's fairly simple. I prefer soldering the wires and
covering them with heat shrink, but butt splices can work as well. I have
to go look at the car to be accurate, but the connector red wire comes
out of the alternator and attaches to the battery term on the alternator.
the battery also attaches there. The black wire goes back to the blue (?)
wire. Let me double check and I'll get back within a couple of days.
On Sun, 16 Mar 1997 11:56:47 -0400 "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
writes:
>The FAQ has a listing for externally-regulated-to-internally-regulated
>alternators and says it is a good idea to make the conversion, but it
>doesn't mention HOW to do it.
>
>Can someone describe the conversion process?  What parts (besides the
>alternator) will I need, and where do I find these parts?
>
>I should mention that I am in favor of this conversion, but would like
>to
>keep the stock appearance; that is, I'd like to keep as much of the
>wiring
>"as is" as possible.
>
>Thanks for any ideas.
>
>Bob

Rob Turner
Katana72

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From: NotDads442@aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 10:25:43 -0400
Subject: Subject: H.O. Quad 4

>From: "Kenneth Busby" <kennybee@worldnet.att.net>
>Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:47:10 -0400
>Subject: H.O. Quad 4
>
>I own a 1992 Achieva SCX W41, and would like to hear from any enthusiest
>who owns  one of these 190 hp, 4 bangers, or someone who has any hop-up
>tips they would like to share regarding this engine.

Kenneth

Welcome to the list!.  As Jeff A. has already stated there are several W-41
owners here.  Myself included.  I have a red 1991 W-41 Calais.

Cecil Smalley
1991 W-41
NotDads442@aol.com

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 10:26:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Headliner

There are some very good instructions for the removing, fixing, and
inserting a headliner in a G-body on the Buick (sorry) GN T-type page
under their tech. section.

Hope this helps,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

On Sun, 16 Mar 1997, Brian S Steinbach wrote:

>
> I have a 85 Cutlass Supreme and the headliner is sagging severely.  I took
> it off and I broke two of the clips holding the metal panel over the
> windshield that holds the headliner up.  And I have to get a new headliner
> because it can not be reused.  Does anyone know were to get a headliner
> and the clips?  If you do know please reply it would be really
> appreciated.
>
> Brian Steinbach
> bssst19+@pitt.edu
>
>
>

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From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 10:19:00 -0400
Subject: tuned up the XC

Over the weekend I tuned the Ciera XC w/ a new PCV and Bosch plat plugs.
To my surprise, the PCV and the plugs were original. Oof-fa.
The plugs were a b*tch to get out and I cracked a few. The gap was so worn it
was opened to .070!! The car still ran like a clock too.

I went for a few long drives w/ it and the family over the weekend and it
delivered 20 mpg in the city. Not to shabby.



FRank... 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955..
         65 El Camino.......

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From: Jon442@aol.com
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 10:46:32 -0400
Subject: Top boot needed

I am looking for a convertible top boot for a '94 Cutlass, graphite in color.
If anyone has one for sale, please email me.

Thanks,

Jon Wessel
jon442@aol.com

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