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oldsmobile-digest        Thursday, 6 February 1997     Volume 01 : Number 502


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From: z28cfi@gwis.com
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 17:46:51 -0400
Subject: Re: My Story...

> Date:          Wed, 5 Feb 1997 21:57:04 -0400
> To:            oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> From:          evans1@serv01.net-link.net
> Subject:       Re: My Story...
> Reply-to:      oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

> (snip)
> >So far the car has been awesome.  I don't like FWD cars as a rule they're
> >loud inside and don't usually handle that well.  This car is loud but
handles > >and runs awesome.  When we bought the W-41, I was driving a 89 5.0
Mustang. > > This car will kick any stock 5.0 Mustang's butt.  I've driven
both and the > >difference is amazing. > > > Cecil-- > > As a former
owner of many brands of musclecars (including 7 5.0 Mustangs), I >
necessarily must take exception here.  Don't get me wrong--I love Quad 4's, >
especially, the W-41, and it may have taken a few automatic or unsuspecting >
5.0's--but, generally speaking, on the dragstrip, even a stock 5-speed 5.0 >
with a decent driver would win, hands down. > > Sticking his neck out,
expecting abuse....

I agree. As much as I dislike Mustangs there is no way a 5.0 with a
good driver and optioned right from the factory would lose to a W-41 on a
stock v. stock basis. All this talk about these 90 and 91's being so fast
kinda surprises me. Every Quad 4 I have ever encountered seemed to be lacking
considerably in mid and upper rpm power, at least the ones that I have played
with on the streets here. They always get me off the line, but from there its
over. I just have a serious dislike of anything with 4 cylinders. Now I know,
tomorrow I will meet the twin turbo Quad-4 91 W-41 from hell and it will make
me look like a big loser:) Flame away if you wish, but remember that the
comments above are in no way an attack on anybody's car, just my V-8 bias
showing through:)

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From: Jeff Ferraro <jtf4227@unix.tamu.edu>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:51:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Gremlins

Some years ago my 86 442 went through a similar episode - a bump, etc.
would send the fasten belts light on and make the door chime chime.  It
seems that there is some kind of sensor in the drivers seat belt latch,
there is a plug at its base which I unplugged.  This killed the chimes
altogether, but the seat belt sign works correctly - times out after
coming on for a few seconds after start.  JEFF

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997 Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil wrote:

>
>      Can anybody help me with this ?? I have an 86 Cutlass Supreme. I've
> been squeezing all the lemon out of this car recently: Rebuilt 307, Rebuilt
> Turbo 350 (was a TH200 !), etc. There is still some lemon left, however. The
 > "Fasten Seat Belts" light will sometimes come on when driving down the
road. > It usually goes out after a few seconds. It's enough to drive you
batty !!! > It happens with or without a passenger. >      Also, I am in the
market for a Factory Service Manual for the 1986 > Oldsmobile. Email me
privately if you have one to sell. > > John Pajak              DR OLDS >
Lexington Park, MD > Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL > > 65 Delta 88 > 66
Toronado Deluxe > 69 Cutlass S > 70 Cutlass S  (3) > 70 Cutlass S W31 > 70 442
W30 Convert > 71 Cutlass Supreme 2D HT > 72 Delta 88 Convert > 72 442 W30
Convert > 72 442 Convert > 72 Cutlass Supreme Convert > 72 Cutlass S > 72
Cutlass > 86 Cutlass Supreme > 68 Fairlane 500 Station Wagon   (For Sale !!) >
75 F-100 > 82 Suburban > >

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:01:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Some questions] Second request

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Dan Williams wrote:
> > > 2) Did 68 442 come with pinstripes along the bottom, above the
> > >    rocker panels, and around the wheel wells as depicted in the Year
> > >    One catalog?
> These are the pin stripes that you are supposed to have.  Also, don't
> forget that all 68s had a pin stripe in the interior of the car also
> (below the dash).

No, I think not. I've never seen a '68 with stripes like that, nor is it
listed in the literature. The dash pinstripe *is* correct, but not the
wheelwell/rocker panel ones. The only pinstripes I've ever seen are the
ones described below.

> > 2) I don't recall that my '68 442 had pin stripes along the rocker
> >    panels and around the wheel wells.  I do recall however that it
> >    did have pinstripes which ran along the side, an inch or so below
> >    the chrome trim that ran along the top of the fender and below
> >    the side windows.  Those were painted on, as I believe all factory
> >    pinstripes were in those days.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:05:05 -0400
Subject: Heres my story and I'm sticking to it

	I joined the list about a week ago and am enjoying it a lot. I have 
been
messing with cars all my life but have never been into the restoration part
of it until lately. I worked as a mechanic at some dealerships ( none of
them G.M.) about 20 years ago. I got away from it except for keeping my
stuff going... until I found a 67 Charger and a 56 Belair to play with a
few years ago. The 56 now runs mid 12's with a small block and when the
laughing gas is used it will get into the mid 11's. The Dodge is still in
work. 	
	I always liked engine repair so when it looked like my job at Lockheed 
was
not going to be there much longer  I started a small automotive machine
shop. I have since become a ASE certified master engine machinest and run
my shop full time.  This is more or less Chevy country and Chevy pickups
are the choice of all the kids for hot rod rides so I don't get a lot of
Olds engines to work on. I have done a few 350's and a 455 or two but no
H/P Olds stuff.  I am learning a lot from you guys that have made them go
fast.
	I guess everyone wonders what I am doing reading the Olds list. Back in
Nov. we found a 66 Delta 88 convertable that we could afford. My wife has
wanted a ragtop for years so I bought it for her. Personally I never was
much of a Olds fan. We have since  fell in love with it so I guess I am at
least partialy converted. I have to admit it  rides and drives nice and it
sure is pretty too. It needs a lot of tinkering to get it the way I want it
but it is a fairly nice car to start with. Someone has put a 350 with the #
8 heads in it and I found some 7a heads in the shop and that 2 bbl has to
go .....yeah I guess I am hooked on it just like the rest of ya'll .

Walter Jones    Bowie Texas

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:33:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Some questions] Second request

Greg,

Those were the ones I was referring to. (see below)

Correct -> pinstripes which ran along the side, an inch or so below
> > >    the chrome trim that ran along the top of the fender and below
> > >    the side windows

Incorrect -> pinstripes along the bottom, above the
> > > >    rocker panels, and around the wheel wells

- -Dan

>
> On Wed, 5 Feb 1997, Dan Williams wrote:
> > > > 2) Did 68 442 come with pinstripes along the bottom, above the
> > > >    rocker panels, and around the wheel wells as depicted in the Year
> > > >    One catalog?
> > These are the pin stripes that you are supposed to have.  Also, don't
> > forget that all 68s had a pin stripe in the interior of the car also
> > (below the dash).
>
> No, I think not. I've never seen a '68 with stripes like that, nor is it
> listed in the literature. The dash pinstripe *is* correct, but not the
> wheelwell/rocker panel ones. The only pinstripes I've ever seen are the
> ones described below.
>
> > > 2) I don't recall that my '68 442 had pin stripes along the rocker
> > >    panels and around the wheel wells.  I do recall however that it
> > >    did have pinstripes which ran along the side, an inch or so below
> > >    the chrome trim that ran along the top of the fender and below
> > >    the side windows.  Those were painted on, as I believe all factory
> > >    pinstripes were in those days.
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

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From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:34:50 -0400
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Some questions] Second request

At 10:45 PM 2/5/97 -0400, Dan Williams wrote:
>These are the pin stripes that you are supposed to have.  Also, don't
>forget that all 68s had a pin stripe in the interior of the car also
>(below the dash).

Neat.  I have a pair of white pinstripes on the otherwise black dash of my
'68 442 convertible.  I thought they had been added by some previous owner.

Thanks for the information, Dan.

Bob
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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:15:47 -0400
Subject: Re: Octane booster

> A note for people that use leaded aditives for their fuel.
>
>         1. It will destroy the useful aspects of the catalitic converter
>
>         2. When leaded additives were commonplace in the refineries, the
> people that handled the lead material did so with extreme caution, and took
> extensive precautions.
>
>         3. It is considered a poison with extreme toxicity.
>
>         4. If you use this material, wear rubber gloves, good eye protection
> and one of those respirator face                 masks at a very minimum.
> Do not come into physical contact at all.
>
> The Wiz
>
> P.S. Remember when gasoline was 'red.'  The red was an aniline dye added for
> anti-knock (relative octaine boost) purposes.  It too is harmful to C.C.s.
> Are their any refinery types on the server that can speak to the value of
> this material instead of/or too the addition of lead?

I agree, this stuff is great. But handle with care.

Danny

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From: Escape442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 00:00:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Heres my story and I'm sticking to it

In a message dated 97-02-05 22:20:01 EST, you write:

>	I guess everyone wonders what I am doing reading the Olds list. Back 
in
>Nov. we found a 66 Delta 88 convertable that we could afford. My wife has
>wanted a ragtop for years so I bought it for her. Personally I never was
>much of a Olds fan. We have since  fell in love with it so I guess I am at
>least partialy converted. I have to admit it  rides and drives nice and it
>sure is pretty too. It needs a lot of tinkering to get it the way I want it
>but it is a fairly nice car to start with. Someone has put a 350 with the #
>8 heads in it and I found some 7a heads in the shop and that 2 bbl has to
>go .....yeah I guess I am hooked on it just like the rest of ya'll .
>
>Walter Jones    Bowie Texas

Walter, Welcome aboard.  I think we develop the like or dislike for certain
brands in our youth, there is an impressionable age.  My first car was a '64
F-85, I learned all kinds of skills working on it.  I will never forget
getting really pissed off and taking a ball peen hammer and wacking the front
fender.  NO DAMAGE!  If you give Olds engine's proper love and care, they
will treat you right. To sum it up;  Chevy may give you speed, but speed
ain't nuthin without class!   Ed  Escape442@aol.com

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:21:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Octane booster

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:

>
> Where do you get this stuff?  I can get gas from Unocal which starts at
> 4.00/gal and up.  Not an option...

> Chris Sparks

Contact Stone Oil Co. at 912-489-2896. They will ship UPS. There is
a hazardous materials charge.

Danny

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From: katana72@juno.com (Robert F Turner)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 00:11:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Gremlins !!!!!!!!!

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997 22:27:19 -0400 James & Joanne Chermack
<chermac@exis.net> writes:
>At 05:28 PM 2/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>
>>     Can anybody help me with this ?? I have an 86 Cutlass Supreme.
>I've
>>been squeezing all the lemon out of this car recently: Rebuilt 307,
>Rebuilt
>>Turbo 350 (was a TH200 !), etc. There is still some lemon left,
>however. The
>>"Fasten Seat Belts" light will sometimes come on when driving down
>the road.
>>It usually goes out after a few seconds. It's enough to drive you
>batty !!!
>>It happens with or without a passenger.
>>     Also, I am in the market for a Factory Service Manual for the
>1986
>>Oldsmobile. Email me privately if you have one to sell.
>>
>>John Pajak              DR OLDS
>>
>
>Take the lightbulb out!
Jim, I can't believe that YOU, of all people, would say something like
that!!!!   :)

Rob Turner

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From: katana72@juno.com (Robert F Turner)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 00:11:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Gremlins

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997 13:13:00 -0400 Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
writes:
>
>     Can anybody help me with this ?? I have an 86 Cutlass Supreme.
>I've
>been squeezing all the lemon out of this car recently: Rebuilt 307,
>Rebuilt
>Turbo 350 (was a TH200 !), etc. There is still some lemon left,
>however. The
>"Fasten Seat Belts" light will sometimes come on when driving down the
>road.
>It usually goes out after a few seconds. It's enough to drive you
>batty !!!
>It happens with or without a passenger.
>     Also, I am in the market for a Factory Service Manual for the
>1986
>Oldsmobile. Email me privately if you have one to sell.
>
>John Pajak              DR OLDS
>Lexington Park, MD
>Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL
>
>65 Delta 88
>66 Toronado Deluxe
>69 Cutlass S
>70 Cutlass S  (3)
>70 Cutlass S W31
>70 442 W30 Convert
>71 Cutlass Supreme 2D HT
>72 Delta 88 Convert
>72 442 W30 Convert
>72 442 Convert
>72 Cutlass Supreme Convert
>72 Cutlass S
>72 Cutlass
>86 Cutlass Supreme
>68 Fairlane 500 Station Wagon   (For Sale !!)
>75 F-100
>82 Suburban
I would check the connections and switches under the seats. It's a place
to start!!

Rob Turner
Katana72@juno.com

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From: katana72@juno.com (Robert F Turner)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 00:11:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Seam Filler?

On Wed, 5 Feb 1997 15:24:59 -0400 Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net> writes:
>David Nye wrote:
>>
>> I'm now into the engine compartment hot and heavy. Covering the
>seams in
>> the engine compartment (such as where the firewall meets the cowl)
>there
>> is a black "filler" material that has dried out and is falling off.
>I
>> have removed most of the loose stuff, but I now need to know what to
>put
>> back in its place. I'm told that it is "seam filler." Any
>suggestions on
>> how to find it, apply it, and paint over it?
>>                                 David Nye
>>                                 '71 Cutlass Droptop
>
>The stuff I have seen is from 3-M & can be bought in a tube.  It is
>whitish in color & pastey so as to be put on w/a putty knife or even
>using your finger.  When dry it is still flexible.  I have seen it
>just
>painted over in it's rough spread-on state.
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>
I've used the black butyl rubber available for windshields around some
areas in the engine bay. I got it at a windshield repair company.
Rob Turner
Katana72      It's NOT your Daddy's Oldsmobile !!!!         Hastings, MN

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Sat, 5 Feb 1994 15:23:34 -0400
Subject: Do I need the condenser on my regulator?

I finally replaced the mechanical voltage regulator with a solid state unit
this afternoon.  I had a question about the condenser that was on the
mechanical regulator.  The solid state regulator has what appears to be a
connection for the condenser and I was wondering if I need it.  Is it just
noise suppression for the coils in the mechanical regulator or does it serve
some more important purpose?

I had a look at the mechanical regulator and I could see how it would give
my HEI a hard time, causing it to fail back in december.  (Some may recall
my fight with the stuck distributor that ended up becoming a rare one of a
kind two-piece unit.)  There is one set of points in the regulator that is
eaten up pretty bad, and it turns out the regulator was causing some
problems I was having with dim lights and what appeared to be generally low
voltage.  When I started the car after installing the new regulator the
ammeter indicated about a 25 amp charge.  Looks like voltage was worse than
I originally thought.

Thanks for any help.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista Cruiser

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From: Matt Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 00:12:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Gremlins

Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil wrote:

>      Also, I am in the market for a Factory Service Manual for the 1986
> Oldsmobile. Email me privately if you have one to sell.
>
<Fleet snipped>

John,
  Sorry, I can't help with your chime problem...but I am also in the
market for manuals.  I called Lloyd's Auto Literature...he wanted $130
(!) or so for the service manuals.  They were originally $75.  I still
have the form for them from Lansing Lithographers...should see if they
are still available..lemme know if you get more then one
offer....forward me anyone who wants to sell that you don't take....
thanks!

- ---Matt

mmayer@interaccess.com

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 23:46:21 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 cam selection

IRA H SIEGELMAN wrote:
>
>      I would greatly appreciate it if some of you olds gurus could assist
>      me with cam selection for my 455 rebuild. I'm looking for a mild cam
>      that would provide a decent idle and would not reduce vacuum too much.
>      I understand that the wrong cam (too much lift) could increase the
>      chance of coil-bind??? Also,what do I need to know to avoid upsetting
>      the valve train geometry during the rebuild?
>
>      P.S. Thanks for all the helpful advice so far.

I guess I will chime in with my nickles worth of advice. Your compresion
ratio will be a consideration. If it is 10.5:1 then there is a myriad of
stock cam grinds available. I would not suggest the W-30 or W-31 cams or
even a regular 442 grind. Depending on the int/exh duration of the cam a
365 hp engine will idle differently. A stock 455 with 365 hp will idle
smooth as silk and provide tons of low end power. A 442 365 hp engine
will idle rougher because it's cam grind is designed to provide power at
a higher rpm. Since you want a fairly smooth cam that provides good
vacum look at some of the factory grinds. Mondello has several cams that
are slighty above stock. As for geometry, be sure of the angle of your
block. I believe all 455s are 39 degree bank. If your cam is based on a
45 degree bank you will have trouble. You should not have any trouble
with stock springs if you stay below .400 lift. (W-30 is .475 and W-31
is .474)

Danny

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From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 00:28:26 -0400
Subject: '87 442 VIN

Hi folks,
               Since so many of our list members are experts at VIN
decoding, would somebody please take a crack at this one?  (I tried sending
it to the Olds History Center first, to no avail.)

163GR1191HP326951

Any info. would be appreciated.

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:20:50 -0400
Subject: My Introduction Story - long

My name is Jeff Antonucci, I joined the list a few weeks ago, and have
been hooked on Oldsmobiles since 1987.

I grew up with my older brothers having muscle cars around the house all
the time and always wanted one.  Finances and college kept me from
owning any car till I was 21.  My brother gave me a '72 hornet.
Straight six, torque flight and would shake off the road at 55mph.
After four months I junked it and bought a Beautiful 79 Cutlass Supreme
in 1987.  Metallic Brown with chrome trim and mirrors, tan interior,
buckets, console and 231 buick V6.  I quickly put chrome SSIIIs? wheels
and 235-60-R14 Radial TAs.

Under the street lights the car would shine and beckon to me.  It served
me well until a drunk driver totaled it and damaged my girlfriend/wife's
car when it was parked, July 4 1990.  In 1988 I bought a '70 Cutlass S
as a parts car with the intention of swapping the drive train into the
'79.  This car looked like hell, but ran so nice I kept it, upgraded it
and drove it exclusively into 1991.

In '91 as I prepared to start my career in engineering I was looking for
my next Oldsmobile and ran across an article in Popular Mechanics
showing a Quad 442 W-41 doint a front wheel burnout!  It really grabbed
my attention.  I then ran across the same Motor Trend article Cecil
mentioned.  After this I knew I had to have one.  I called and visited
all the local Olds dealerships and you might have thought I was speeking
Greek!  They had no information and had never heard of it. I wrote
Oldsmobile, and they confirmed it's existance but could only recommend a
dealer near Pittsburg, who didn't even have one.  I pretty much gave up
hope.

While working my "in between" job at Pep Boys a co-worker mentioned he
saw a bright red Olds in a Caddilac/Oldsmobile dealers window.  I called
them to ask if they had a Quad 442 and they said yes, but didn't know
anything about it.  So I went there, met the sales bonehead and we
walked up this wooden circular ramp to the second floor where my eyes
beheld my dream car parked diagonally in the corner by the window on a
barn type wooden floor.  I dreamed about this moment since I was 8, so
being as cool as possible test drove it, said "I might be interested"
and put a hundred dollars down on it.  I came back the next day with my
fiance and test drove it again and struck a deal for $2,200 UNDER list
price.  I don't think they had any idea!

Going from the '70 Cutlass S 2bbl to this front wheel drive sport coupe
was a whole different world.  I burned rubber out of the dealer's lot
and haven't stopped since.  I sold the '70 and got $1,000 for it.

I've read that the Olds plant that used to build Rocket V8s now buils
Quad 4s, and my W-41 was built in Lansing. So for someone of my
generation it's about as classic an Olds story as you can get.  At least
in 1991 somebody at Olds cared.

In the summer of 1994 the urge for a classic musclecar 1970 442
convertible just got too much and I found one in Gettysburg PA.  It was
moslty numbers matching with 455, THM400, Disc Brakes, Deluxe AM Radio
w/rear speaker, (5) SSI wheels, Sport mirrors, buckets, console, posi,
protecto plate, etc.  It was born in the Linden NJ assembly plant, and
spent it's whole life in the Gettysburg area with three owners.  I drove
it sparingly for 9 months then did a quickie restoration of the body and
suspension.  It was originally Silver w/ a black interior, and is now
Metallic Blue w/ pearl interior.

I have added chrome SSIIIs? from an '80s Cutlass, 235-60-R14 Radial TAs,
and of course the Ram Air Hood.  I'll post pictures this spring when
it's completely finished. This will be my first summer with it
completed.  I can't wait.  I need a correct Carb if anyone has one.

I bought my wife an '86 Delta 88 and regret it, what a piece of junk.
Typical mid '80s GM.

I design latches for Cars and Trucks and frequently travel to Detroit.
I haven't been to Lansing unfortunately or ever designed a latch for an
Olds, but Oldsmobile really doesn't exist anymore anyway, it's just GM
Engineering by platforms now.  They just don't get it.  But that's a
topic for another memo.

I believe muscle cars were mean't to be driven, HARD!

So that's my story.

Jeff.
	'91 Quad 442 W-41
	'70 442 Conv.

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:45:06 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 Rocket Lyrics

buehner wrote:
>
> I picked up the new Kathy Mattea disc today.  It does have the lyrics in it.

Awesome lyrics!!! I'm gonna go out and get it.

Jeff.
	'91 Quad 442 W-41
	'70 442 Conv. W/455

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From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 00:47:22 -0400
Subject: Re: '87 442 VIN

>Hi folks,
>               Since so many of our list members are experts at VIN
>decoding, would somebody please take a crack at this one?  (I tried sending
>it to the Olds History Center first, to no avail.)
>
>163GR1191HP326951
>
>Any info. would be appreciated.
>
>Doug Newman
>Columbus, MS
>1987 442
>
>
Doug--

1=USA manufacture
G(not 6)=General Motors
3=Oldsmobile
G=Cutlass
R=Supreme Coupe
1=2 door notchback
1=Manual seat belts
9=307 4barrel, 8 cyl
1=check digit
H=1987
P=Pontiac, MI assembly plant
326951=production sequence #, starting w/100001

Hope this helps!
Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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From: evans1@serv01.net-link.net
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 00:51:24 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 cam selection

>block. I believe all 455s are 39 degree bank. If your cam is based on a
>45 degree bank you will have trouble. You should not have any trouble
>with stock springs if you stay below .400 lift. (W-30 is .475 and W-31
>is .474)
>
>Danny
>
Not intending to be a nitpicker here, Danny, but I think you meant to say
stay below .500 lift, not .400, didn't you?
Mike Evans
Richland, MI
evans1@net-link.net

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 01:00:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Flames

In a message dated 97-02-04 14:30:15 EST, you write:

<<    Subject:  Flames

 Just curious if anyone would happen to know how to
 get flames coming out of the tailpipes!!!!  I've seen it on
 a few cars and of course on the movie "Grease" so if
 anyone would happen to know, the info. would be
 greatly appreciated!!!!
  >>

I believe I've heard that you run really rich, and install spark plugs into
your exhaust pipes (if I remember right).  Don't ask me where I've heard
this, 'cause I don't remember.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 01:01:41 -0400
Subject: Re: '87 442 VIN

At 12:28 AM 2/6/97 -0400, Doug Newman wrote:
>Hi folks,
>               Since so many of our list members are experts at VIN
>decoding, would somebody please take a crack at this one?  (I tried sending
>it to the Olds History Center first, to no avail.)
>
>163GR1191HP326951

1=United States
6= should be a G..so says the book. G is General Motors
3=Oldsmobile
G=Cutlass
R=Supreme Coupe
1=2 door notchback
1=restraint system (manual belts)
9=engine (307, 4bbl)
1=check digit
H=1987
P=assembly plant (Pontiac, MI)
326951=basic production numbers starting with 100001
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28......patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2, GSC,  currently bone stock
      planned spring mods: !Cat, !TB, 160stat, SLP cat back, GM Cold Air Kit
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30...white/gold...........3rd place '97 Cleveland Auto Rama

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 01:08:04 -0400
Subject: Re: My Introduction Story - long

At 11:20 AM 2/6/97 -0400, jeff antonucci wrote:

>
>I design latches for Cars and Trucks and frequently travel to Detroit.
>I haven't been to Lansing unfortunately or ever designed a latch for an
>Olds, but Oldsmobile really doesn't exist anymore anyway, it's just GM
>Engineering by platforms now.  They just don't get it.  But that's a
>topic for another memo.

Jeff, thats a nice story. You have a neat job, I just hope you didn't design
the rear tailgate latches on the Dodge Caravan's :)
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28......patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2, GSC,  currently bone stock
      planned spring mods: !Cat, !TB, 160stat, SLP cat back, GM Cold Air Kit
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30...white/gold...........3rd place '97 Cleveland Auto Rama

------------------------------

From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 00:33:03 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 cam selection

> Not intending to be a nitpicker here, Danny, but I think you meant to say
> stay below .500 lift, not .400, didn't you?
> Mike Evans
> Richland, MI
> evans1@net-link.net

Actually, the stock W-30 springs were heavy duty (dual springs). At any
rate, he was wanting a mild cam and .500 lift would be way to much.
My point was if .474 and .475 were too much then less lift would be
better. I do understand your point and I agree, .500 and greater lifts
require modification.

Danny

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 01:11:15 -0400
Subject: Re: "Setting the Pace"-My employer made "Rocket" block line

In a message dated 97-01-21 03:46:01 EST, you write:

<< At 03:46 AM 1/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
 >I was looking through the "Setting the Pace" and noticed that the company I
 >work for made the first "Rocket" engine block line.  If you look on page
229,
 >the machines have the Ingersoll name on them.  I work for the Cutting Tool
 >division, but worked for the milling machine part for a year (which is the
 >Cutting Tool Co's parent company, essentially).  It also mentions the line
in
 >the text, but doesn't say the name directly.
 >
 >Just some information I found which I had to make note of, and proudly
 >mention.
 >
 >Chris Ruper
 >

 During my two years at Chevrolet, I mostly worked on the truck line, mostly
 building the then new Blazers, and the rivet setting machines on the frame
 buck (they built their own frames from parts and riveted them together) were
 Ingersoll-Rand.  They were good machines, and I wish I had one of them today
 for playing.

 Is this the same Ingersoll?

 The Wiz
  >>
Sorry it's been so long till I replied, but I've been trying to get through
it.  As for your post, Ingersoll makes milling machines, Ingersoll-Rand makes
compressors, etc., so no, it's not the same company.  We get that type of
response all the time though, so we're used to it.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: Escape442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 01:49:22 -0400
Subject: W-40&W-41 ( was my story)

In a message dated 97-02-05 22:20:18 EST, you write:

>
>I agree. As much as I dislike Mustangs there is no way a 5.0 with a
>good driver and optioned right from the factory would lose to a W-41 on a
>stock v. stock basis.
>All this talk about these 90 and 91's being so fast kinda surprises me.
Every
>Quad 4 I have ever
>encountered seemed to be lacking considerably in mid and upper rpm power,
>at least the ones that I have played with on the streets here. They
>always get me off the line, but from there its over. I just have a
>serious dislike of anything with 4 cylinders. Now I know, tomorrow I
>will meet the twin turbo Quad-4 91 W-41 from hell and it will make me
>look like a big loser:) Flame away if you wish, but remember that the
>comments above are in no way an attack on anybody's car, just my V-8
>bias showing through:)

I too have never been a fan of 4 cyl cars. I do understand why the W-40 &
W-41's are considered fast.  It's because they ARE, my wife wanted a little
FWD car, so I sold her on this '91 W-40.  No doubt, you can't directly
compare apples to apples V-8 to 4 cyl and declare the little engine the
winner.  I think that the amount of engineering that went into that little 4
banger FAR surpassed the '85 442 that I had.  Those four valves made it feel
like the secondarys of a Q-Jet opening up.  If you consider that you are
talking about 137 C.I.D., that little thing is a screamer.  It's got the
heart of a Pit-Bull and deserves some healthy respect.  Ed
  Escape442@aol.com

------------------------------

From: Escape442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 01:57:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Seam Filler?

I think the product that you need is indeed called seam filler.   I found it
at my auto parts store which also has a complete paint dept.  3-M makes this
and it comes in a standard caulking gun tube.  You just smear it onto and
into the crevices with your finger, to duplicate the original method.  They
were somewhat sloppy at the factory, so this shouldn't be a big deal.  If you
look at the seams on your doors, you will see this applied there as well.  It
should accept primer and paint readily.  The only gripe I have is that it is
porous and can promote decay in wet areas.  Ed   Escape442@aol.com

------------------------------

From: lacey@dsea.com (Dan Lacey)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 03:39:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires

>At 05:21 PM 2/5/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>I believe this chart is accurate. section height and diameter are in
>>inches. Any comments???
>>
>[just a _little_ snip]
>>size: P165/78-R17       section height: 128.699997, diameter: 27.133858
>
>Yeah, sorry to break it to you, Dan, but my P165/78-R17's measure 27.133854"
>high. I think you'll have to check your math.
>
>BTW, could you post the specs for section widths from 255-315mm? I don't
>have skinny tires on all my cars...
>
>;)
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

*************************************************************************
* THIS SPACE INTENTIONALLY  *       Dan Lacey ( lacey@dsea.com )        *
*                           *       Dainippon Screen Eng. of America    *
* LEFT BLANK                *       3700 W. Segerstrom Ave.             *
*                           *       Santa Ana, CA. 92704                *
*************************************************************************

------------------------------

From: dnewman@wcbi.com (Doug Newman)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 02:33:15 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 Rocket Lyrics

Jeff Antonucci wrote:

>buehner wrote:
>>
>> I picked up the new Kathy Mattea disc today.  It does have the lyrics in
it. > >Awesome lyrics!!! I'm gonna go out and get it. > >Jeff. >	'91 
Quad 442
W-41 >	'70 442 Conv. W/455

I bought this disc on Wednesday, also.  I wonder if Kathy Mattea's fan club
is going to get a sudden increase in new members? :-)

Doug Newman
Columbus, MS
1987 442

http://www.442.com/newman.html

------------------------------

From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 04:48:51 -0400
Subject: Forward from Toro List: Lansing

Subject:
           [Toro] Re: Oldsmobile Today Newspaper
     Date:
           Tue, 4 Feb 1997 11:53:53 -0500 (EST)
    From:
           Oly13@aol.com
Reply-To:
           toro@armchair.mb.ca
       To:
           toro@armchair.mb.ca


Hey Toro Fans, and Oldmobile affectionado's:

Had a conversation yesterday with Mary Jo Ring (517-885-1750) who is with
Oldsmobile Today.  She is also in charge of the Centenniel Team putting
together all of the events for the upcoming AutoRammma to take place in
August in Lansing.

The reason I called her was to prod the paper to publish some articles
surrounding some of the Enthusiasts who are going to converge upon Lansing
this summer.  She called me back, and indicated that they would love to
recieve articles, and pictures of the owners and their cars.  She indicated
that they were hoping for 'interesting' (her words not mine) stories like the
gentleman who collects only 1950 Oldsmobiles, and has forty of the 1950
model's.   Not 50-51 and 52, just 1950!  I told her there were many stories
like that out here (?!).

She is also looking for people to 'coordinate' caravans.  She indicated that
nobody in the SouthEast is coordinating one.  I told her that I would be
happy to be the coordinator from Charlotte, NC to Lansing, but that I thought
those coming from Florida, and Atlanta may take more direct routes.  None the
less, We all have to get on I-75 at some point, and that looks to be
Lexington, Ky for those coming from a different direction.

Her wish is to have media coverage along the route provided by LOCAL news
organizations in the cities that we pass through.  She also mentioned that
they are attempting to get some of the caravan's to visit some selected
retailers along the way.
(I don't know what everyone's time frame is...but to hit four dealerships in
one day's travel even if the soda is cold, the cookies fresh and the potty's
clean...I don't know how much milage you'll put on).  That's the hope anyway.


Oldsmobile is to address this with the dealers anyhow next month in Las
Vegas.  I wonder if they even care....

She said that if any one wants to submit an article for publication in the
Oldsmobile Today, to send it to her attention at Oldsmobile Today, Oldsmobile
Division; 920 Townsend Street.  Mail Stop 7081; Lansing, Mi  48921.

BTW she mentioned that there is to be NO, No tie in with the advertising of
the new car's to the 100 anniversary.  No shot's of older Olds, with the new
models, etc.   I think that is an absolute shame.  I Told Her So!  Boy are
they missing the boat, either that or someone has thwakked them upside the
head, and they aren't thinking clearly.

If anyone can forward this to the Oldsmobile E-Mail, she said she'd greatly
appreciate it.
She really does want people to coordinate caravan's, and requested that I
post her phone number for people to call.  Once Again it is Mary Jo Ring;
Cent. Team Coord at
517-885-1750.  Let's show her that we are the type of people that are more
loyal to the brand, than some of the new car buyers!

Thanks, and let's get a couple of Toronado articles in there.

Tom Olinger
Oly13
_____________________________________________________________________________
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 03:34:14 -0400
Subject: Re: da gutless wonder

In a message dated 97-01-25 23:35:19 EST, you write:

<< >        We dropped the engine in, got everything hooked up, cranked it
over
 >and she fired right up.  It was the most beautiful thing I had ever heard.
 >Wow I created this (my first motor and probably my last if I cant get it
 >right).  It seemed to sound and run fine but it just didn't have any get up
 >and go.  Its actually worse than before I rebuilt it (220,000 miles) so I
 >replaced the carb. but its still not any better.  So now I am going to have
 >someone else go back in to see what I messed up.  I am going to have them
 >replace the intake with an Edelbrock Performer while they are at it.
 >
 >       What I would really like to know is why doesn't it make any power,
 >what did I do wrong?  I even tried putting some miles on it to see if it
 >would wake up but no go.  I drove it from Minneapolis to Eau Claire about
 >110 miles, started with a full tank of gas and had to fill up (25 dollars)
 >BEFORE I made it 100 miles.  Top fuel dragsters do better than that.
 >????????
 >
 >Tracy >>

Sorry it's taken so long for me to post this, and possibly you've found your
problem, but I say it anyways.  I had a similar problem with mine, no go,
HORRIBLE gas mileage, and after playing with the timeing, things are much
better now.  I found I was too close to top dead center, and as I moved it
farther (advanced), things improved alot.  Maybe this'll help.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:36:54 -0400
Subject: New '97 88

     I'm currently on the road, and the rental agency was out of mid-sized
     cars.  All they had was subcompacts and minivans, and _one_ Delta 88
     to offer.  Doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out which one I took
     :-)

     I must say, I am *very* impressed.  If it weren't for the fact that
     it's a 4-door and FWD, I'd be tempted to do something like mortgage my
     soul and buy one.  This one has got _everything_.  Anti-lock brakes,
     traction control, power everything (both mirrors, and it seems like
     24-way power seats).  Plus tons of buttons I haven't even bothered to
     try to figure out yet.  I haven't even figured out the headlights yet,
     they turn on and off automatically when needed!  Did I mention the
     fold-down center console with the way, way, over-engineered drink
     holder that folds out?  It rides nice, and is fairly peppy (but far
     from what I'd call fast).  There's a little bit of torque steer
     though, and it handles too much like a luxury car and not enough like
     a sports car for my tastes.

     The absolute coolest thing about it, isn't an Olds feature (though it
     should be!).  The GPS navigational system!  I work with lots of new
     high-tech stuff all the time in my line of work and like to think that
     I'm not easily impressed, but this is just downright _cool_, there's
     no other word for it.  Enter your destination address (or select from
     common destinations) and it takes over from there.  It can show an
     overhead map, or directions on the screen such as "Athilda Exit, 3.4
     miles".  It talks to you, and tells you when your turn/exit/whatever
     is coming up.  It will even say details like "Right turn ahead,
     follwed by sharp left turn".  So far it's been 100% accurate!

     Now I just gotta figure out how to tell the SO that I *need* one of
     these.  I think the screen would look nice in the H/O underneath the
     radio in that storage tray. . .

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 20:36:58 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Larger wheels,Larger tires

     I agree that 16" wheels look the coolest.  The hardest part will be
     finding wheels with the proper amount of backspacing.  I think I heard
     once that some of the _front_ wheels (only the front) off of a new
     trans-am were 16x8 and fit a G-body perfectly.

     I'm running 235/60R15's on my '84, and I have no clearance problems at
     all.  a 235 width tire might not be quite what you're looking for, but
     any wider in the front will rub the frame.  I've heard of people going
     to a 275 width tire in the rear with the proper backspacing.


______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Larger wheels,Larger tires
Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    2/5/97 12:05 PM


 Andy,

 The look of a 16" or 17" wheel in the rear wheelwell looks cool
     you need to look at the minor details of the project.  For instance,
     with

------------------------------

From: "Benedict J. Raia" <raia@artswire.org>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 05:57:20 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 Rocket Lyrics

>From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
>Date: Wed, 5 Feb 1997 18:34:43 -0400
>Subject: 455 Rocket Lyrics
>
>I picked up the new Kathy Mattea disc today.  It does have the lyrics in
>it. It is printed in a scrapbook type scheme, and on the page with this
>song, there's a wrinkled Olds Rocket logo taped on.  Too cool......  A
>Must Own CD!

I have a tape I picked up a few months ago by the Reverend Horton Heat (a
rockabilly band) called "It's Martini Time!".  The first song on the album
is "Big Red Rocket of Love".  I wish I could put the lyrics up for you,
but the tape fell victim to a Pepsi spill so I need to grab the CD when I
have a chance.  All I can remember is,

"Let's Go! Riding through the mountains above!
 Let's Go! My big red rocket of love!"
and then some various other lines in which he extols the virtues of his
cool car.

I read a review of the album, in which they claimed that Bobcat Goldthwait
wanted to direct a video for this song which would feature his own "big
red" '72 Cutlass convertible.  Whether this ever happened or not I don't
know, but needless to say, while the tape worked this was the theme song
for the Delta 88 :)

Ben Raia
raia@artswire.org
'75 Olds Delta 88 Convertible ("The Big Red Rocket of Love" :)
'77 Olds Delta 88 Coupe (RIP) ("The Lesser Red Rocket of Mirth")
'79 Lincoln Continental  ("Just Plain Big")

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 06:32:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

>455/425/400  Offenhauser 2-4bbl. low rise intake w/2 carter 550 cfm carbs.
>(Complete setup) $350.00

Anyone have any experience with this setup?  It sure sounds interesting, but
I can't see it being very streetable on the low revving (as compared to the
10000 RPM that dual quads are reputed for...) big blocks.  In decent shape
I'm sure it's worth that, but I have to wonder if it'd be feasible to wring
out any more power from it than from a standard four and decent intake.  The
low rise makes me think it's not much of a "tunnel ram" which may make a
more low end performer, but I guess that would depend on the plenum design,
mainly.  I'm sure tempted, for no other reason than to say I have it, ya
know, 'cuz it sure would look awesome polished up and buried under the hood
in the Rockit.  Any thoughts, clues, ideas, suggestions?   Thanks...

Later.


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

------------------------------

From: mmetal@chipsnet.com (Macon Metals)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 07:18:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Parts for sale

Last week, I posted that I was going to be receiving 1968-69 remote and
standard mirrors.  They finally arrived yesterday.  Would those of you
who expressed interest in these please send another email to me?
Computer burped this week and I lost all I had saved to it in regards to
emails. I also did get a decent useable 1967 remote mirror for full size
cars also.

Happy Oldsmobiling
mike fisher
mmetal@chipsnet.com
217-692-2019

------------------------------

From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 08:50:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Joe's Air Cleaner Flapper Door

Joe Fauzio wrote:
>
> >Thanks for replying to my questions about the flapper door on my 71 442.I
> looked at the engine this morning and saw the two places to connect the
> hoses on the sensor. There is also a place to connect a hose on the top of
> the sensor and some kind of a electric receptacle on  the top. Does anyone
> know what they are for? Will it hurt anything just to leave the door open?
> >
That sounds like the TCS.  I saw a few posts on this, but nothing that
told me whether this was the OAI setup or not.  If this _is_ the OAI
setup, this is _not_ the correct location.  Joe, if you can let me know
if you have the OAI setup or not and give me a fax number I can fax you
all the diagrams for your hose routing and a few other items that may be
of interest.  After all, us '71 442's gotta stick together - haven't
seen many on this list (yes, they are rarer than  the '70 or the 69, or
the '68, or the '67...)

Kurt
71 442

------------------------------

From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:18:26 -0400
Subject: RE: Olds Parts for sale

Hey Mike:
	I was one of those people. These were supposed to be repro's or what?
I need a 69 remote.

Thanks
Chris

- ----------
From: 	Macon Metals[SMTP:mmetal@chipsnet.com]
Sent: 	February 6, 1997 6:18 AM
To: 	oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: 	Re: Olds Parts for sale

Last week, I posted that I was going to be receiving 1968-69 remote and
standard mirrors.  They finally arrived yesterday.  Would those of you
who expressed interest in these please send another email to me?
Computer burped this week and I lost all I had saved to it in regards to
emails. I also did get a decent useable 1967 remote mirror for full size
cars also.

Happy Oldsmobiling
mike fisher
mmetal@chipsnet.com
217-692-2019

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 09:27:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Flames

At 03:03 PM 2/5/97 -0400, you wrote:
>jones wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Jose,
>> >
>> > A spark plug is installed near the end of pipe.  This is then hooked to
>> > a switch & a hot lead from the battery.  Switch on; flames.  Switch off;
>> > no flames.
>> >
>> > Bill Culp
>> > Decatur, Alabama
>> > Wouldnt the spark plug have to be connected to the coil so there would be
>> enough voltage to jump the gap and provide a spark?
>
>Of course you are right.  I don't know who changed my post like that.
>Ever since Lincoln was elected, you can't trust government anymore.
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>
>
>
Lincoln, h*ll.  Washington was a farmer.  Adams was a... Ever since Adams
(John) is closer to the truth.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:13:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds Ads

I can't remember who had the 'complete' collection, but I scanned part of
my '64 Olds Ad and put it up on my page (the speedboat one).  Take a look -
it came out pretty good but its too bad we couldn't fit the entire ad.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:13:15 -0400
Subject: Re: State Farm Ins a scam?

My California State Farm stated value hasn't required me to prove the value
I put on my Delta ($5000).  I've never had claims anywhere except for theft
ones back with my Cutlass.  But I used to work for the attorney's for the
big ins. co. & learned the 'language' necessary to speak so they understand
your intentions.  It only took one letter to the ins. co. (State Farm) for
the homeowner's whose dog caused my dad to fall & break his hip to have
them process the claim & do it in a timely, un-hassle fashion for my aging
parents.

Lets hope I never have to find out about collecting on a totaled vehicle!!


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

------------------------------

From: "Christine Rooney" <Christine.Rooney@bender.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:28:01 -0400
Subject: Seat covers and wheel wells

     Good morning all!

     I was wondering if anyone knows where to order kits to reupholster the
     seats from a 75 H/O?  Apparently, at a show in Hershey PA last summer
     there was someone selling kits for the "wet look" that fit either 74
     or 75's.  My husband is interested in finding out more information
     about this kit.

     Also - we need NOS chrome trim wheel wells.  Any thoughts?

     Regards,

     Christine

------------------------------

From: "Craig J. Smith" <craigs@dancris.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:51:36 -0400
Subject: A Few Q's

Does anyone have any advice on:

1.)	Cleaning a (should-be) white convertible top.  The top is in 
	good
shape, so I don't want to replace it.

2.)	What brand and weight of oil do you recommend using.

Thanks in advance for any help

Craig Smith
68 442

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:53:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Some questions] Second request

Dan Williams wrote:
>
> Sounds like you are describing the W-30 stripes for the 70s cars.  Could
> that be?

I was informed that fender stripes are what were on the car.  I frankly
don't
like the look.  I do though like the Hurst/Olds pin-striping with the
exception
of having a large stripe down the hood in the center portion.

> These are the pin stripes that you are supposed to have.  Also, don't
> forget that all 68s had a pin stripe in the interior of the car also
> (below the dash).

Amazing they are still there and in place.  No peel.

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:58:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Mice in my intake

Joe Fauzio wrote:

> When I bought my 71 442 there was a Holley Street Dominator intake
> with a Holley double pumper carb on it in the trunk. I was thinking
> of putting it on and today I picked it up to look at it and all
> kinds of garbage fell out of it. There were seeds, something that
> looked like dog food and other junk. I don't know what would of
> happened if I put it on but it would have been interesting. Does
> anyone know what would have happened?

Joe,

On a broadcast of the radio program "Car Talk" a couple of months ago
(http://www.cartalk.com) (National Public Radio (http://www.npr.org),
generally broadcast by local public/educational radio station at
10:00 am on Saturdays), Tom and Ray took a telephone call from
someone who had stuffed an old sock into the intake manifold of his
wife's car while working on it.  As you've probably guessed by now,
he then forgot to remove the sock before putting everything back
together and test driving the car.  He didn't realize the mistake
until the engine began running very poorly on the test drive, after
which he reported limping back home with the car.

When he opened things back up enough to see into the intake manifold,
the only trace left of the sock were some slightly scorched scraps of
material.  At that point he said that he was afraid that most of the
sock had been sucked into one or more of the cylinders, so to see how
well it would burn, he performed a sacrificial burning of the sock's
mate.  Apparently it didn't burn particularly well.

His concern naturally, was that the engine now needed to be torn down
to clean all of the unburned remains which certainly were inside one
or more of the cylinders.  Tom and Ray's advice was to just start
the car up and let it run at idle for awhile.  They guessed that any
remains would be gradually consumed in the combustion process within
the cylinders and the eventually the engine would return to running
properly.

One of the program's regular features is a segment called "Stump the
Chumps", where they call back people to whom they've given
questionable advice such as this.  They called this same guy back on
a show which aired in the past month, and he reported that when he
followed their instructions, the engine did in fact return to running
properly after a long period of idling, and had run without problem
since.

Of course a cotton, polyester, and spandex sock is chemically quite
different from sunflower seeds and kibble, but the apparent answer to
this is that if it will burn outside of an engine, it will probably
also burn inside of an engine too.

By the way, I recommend catching this radio show each week as it's
highly entertaining and occasionally also educational.  I also
recommend visiting their WEB site, where you'll find alot of
entertaining information.

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 ------- | | | - Tom Stoner -----------------------
|        | | |   OCA #3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ---    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:03:37 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

>
> Does anyone have any advice on:
>
> 2.)     What brand and weight of oil do you recommend using.

This ought to be good.  I'm sure we're going to get a lot of different
opinions on this as well as a good disertation from someone (I think I
already know who) on how oil is graded.

Kurt (eagerly waiting)
71 442

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 10:56:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Joe's Air Cleaner Flapper Door

>> >Thanks for replying to my questions about the flapper door on my 71 442.I
>> looked at the engine this morning and saw the two places to connect the
>> hoses on the sensor. There is also a place to connect a hose on the top of
>> the sensor and some kind of a electric receptacle on  the top. Does anyone
>> know what they are for? Will it hurt anything just to leave the door open?
>> >
>That sounds like the TCS.  I saw a few posts on this, but nothing that
>told me whether this was the OAI setup or not.  If this _is_ the OAI
>setup, this is _not_ the correct location.

I thought the TCS would be measuring engine temperature from a sensor
screwed into the engine somewhere to get coolant temperature. A sensor
in the air cleaner housing would only be getting air temperature.

As for the place to connect a hose on the top of the sensor, my theory
(assuming this third port is inside the air cleaner assembly) that I
sent to Joe yesterday was that this would be the purge port. When the
sensor wants to open the line leading to the ThermAC so that the flapper
will relax and open, it has to allow air into the line to kill the vacuum.
Allowing filtered air from inside the air cleaner housing would be the
best place to get it from.

>Joe, if you can let me know
>if you have the OAI setup or not and give me a fax number I can fax you
>all the diagrams for your hose routing and a few other items that may be
>of interest.

Do it, Joe...

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: PidgLanger@aol.com
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 1997 11:08:45 -0400
Subject: RE: 1991 Olds W-41

Mike Evans wrote..

>As a former owner of many brands of musclecars (including 7 5.0 Mustangs), I

>necessarily must take exception here.  Don't get me wrong--I love Quad 4's,
>especially, the W-41, and it may have taken a few automatic or unsuspecting
>5.0's--but, generally speaking, on the dragstrip, even a stock 5-speed 5.0
>with a decent driver would win, hands down.
>
>Sticking his neck out, expecting abuse....
>
>Mike Evans

Mike,

No abuse from me.

The Motor Trend mag I have when they tested the W-41, I believe stated a 1/4
time of 14.7 at something in the low 90s mph(The 1991 Vette they tested ran
14.3 or 14.2).  At the time, the 5-speed 5.0s were running in the mid 15's so
I must disagree.  My 5.0 was an automatic and was all stock.  After driving
both, it didn't stand a prayer against the W-41.  I've never had the car on
the track, so I don't have times for my car in particular.  And in regards to
the "unsuspecting 5.0s" I've encountered on the street.  Without any prior
knowledge of a W-41, what would you have been when a Calais pulled up beside
you and went Bzzzzz Bzzzzz??  That's the great fun in this car.;)  I've
driven in other cars with Quad 4s, they don't even come close.  The bigger
cams in the W-41 make the car shake at idle and the 3.94:1 drive ratio in the
transaxle make it get up go like nobody's business.:)

Expecting return abuse.....

Cecil
1991 Olds Calais Quad 442 W-41

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