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oldsmobile-digest         Wednesday, 12 March 1997      Volume 01 : Number 558

Shoulder belts
'68 Cutlass Exhaust Question
Re: Shoulder belts
RE: Insurance
Another FAQ
Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS
Re: '68 Cutlass Exhaust Question
Re: Another FAQ
Quad 4's idle/racing (wasRe: '92 Achieva w/H.O. modifications)
Re: Finally, Olds content in Car Craft
Re[2]: Another FAQ
Re: anyone have a phone number for HEDDMANN HEDDERS?
Got my Olds!
GM RPO book info
hop up a 3.3/3.8
Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
Where is Bill Culp?
Re: paint/body work in DFW area ??
Re: 1981 Delta 88
Parts Interchange Q's
Re: GM RPO book info
Re: Got my Olds
oil in air cleaner assembly
Re: newbie Cutlass Ciera question
Olds history center
Re: paint/body work in DFW area ??
Re: Olds history center
Re: BEWARE BUYERS/RECOURSE
Re: Apollo HEI distributor factoid
Re: '77 Olds 442
Re: oil in air cleaner assembly
Mexican Chrome Report
Reply W31 455 for sale
Re: oil in air cleaner assembly
[none]
Re: '68 Cutlass Exhaust Question
Re: Parts Interchange Q's
Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
Re: Parts Interchange Q's
Freebees!  Olds parts
Re: '77 Olds 442
Axle Code
Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS
Re: oil in air cleaner assembly
Re: '68 Cutlass Exhaust Question
Re: 1981 Delta 88
Re: Reply W31 455 for sale
Re: Axle Code
Re: anyone have a phone number for HEDDMANN HEDDERS?
Re: '66 Olds Dynamic 88 Convertible
Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS
Re: '77 Olds 442
Re: Got my Olds!
Re: Oil seals and axle shafts- a saga
BUYERS BEWARE
Re: Refinishing?? Black Door and Trunk Locks
4-4-2 Numerals
Re: '77 Olds 442
Omega vs. Apollo
Re: Oil seals and axle shafts- a saga
Re: Dipstick Tube/ Motor mounts/Oiling System
Re: '68 Cutlass Exhaust Question
Re: GM RPO book info
Re: Refinishing?? Black Door and Trunk Locks
Re: Parts Interchange Q's
New Repro Shifter Lens has arrived
Re: newbie Cutlass Ciera question
3300
Re: 67 parking lights
Re: newbie Cutlass Ciera question
Re: 4-4-2 Numerals

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:11:13 -0400
Subject: Shoulder belts

I am still looking for a pair of the belts that buckle to my shoulder
belts.  For a refresher, the 70 4-4-2 (and others) used a two piece
shoulder belt.  One half attaches to the roof (I still have that part)
and the other bolts to the floor at the driveline hump along with the
lap belts.  The belt for the shoulder harness uses a larger buckle than
the lap belts.  I need the halfs that bolt to the floor and use the
larger buckle.  My buckles are silver with a black button.  I need black
belts, but I would take any color.  These should have been used on all
A-body cars and I doubt if there was any difference between the various
styles, 2 door, 4 door, ect.  Does anyone have an extra set in a parts
car?  All of the 68 through 72 parts cars have pretty much rusted away
around here, due to the conspiracy between the auto makers and the salt
spreading highway department.  I would actually be willing to pay a few
bucks for a pair.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:22:25 -0400
Subject: '68 Cutlass Exhaust Question

Here's one for the sixties experts out there:

If, on an ordinary '68 Cutlass "S" 2-door like mine, you ordered factory
dual exhausts when the car was new, did you get the 4-4-2 style cutout
rear bumper? Or, was it at least available on the "S" as an option? I
haven't been able to get a clear answer to this. Anyone know for sure?

I'd love to have a cutout bumper, and especially the trumpet exhausts, but I
don't want to be accused of trying to be a 4-4-2 when I'm not. If it was
originally available, though, I wouldn't hesitate.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:50:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Shoulder belts

Big car belts would probably work also.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
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I am still looking for a pair of the belts that buckle to my shoulder
belts.  For a refresher, the 70 4-4-2 (and others) used a two piece
shoulder belt.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:50:36 -0400
Subject: RE: Insurance

At 11:12 AM 3/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>You might also try Hagerty (1 - 800 - 922 - 4050 ). I've used them for
several >years and their rates are pretty good. One nice thing is, if you
have several old

Thanks for the number; I just gave them a call, and they gave me a quote of
$79 for a year of coverage on my '69 Toronado, liability, collision and
comprehensive, at a stated value of $6,000. Not bad, considering I have been
paying $500 a year through Allstate for liability alone up until this point.

This list had this very same conversation about a year ago, and I recall one
insurance company being recommended; was that Hagerty? This all sounds good
on paper, but I don't want to wait until the Toro's been broadsided to find
out that they won't stand behind their claims.

Any experience, positive or negative, with this or any other insurance
company? _______________________________________________________ Dr. Robert
Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu Theology Dept, Providence
College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:55:27 -0400
Subject: Another FAQ

Just a note to let everyone know that the all HTML version of the FAQ is
available!

The easiest and quickest way to view the FAQ is to download the zip file
from the ftp site at ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds.

After unzipping the zip file into a new directory, do an "open file" of
oldsfaq3.htm in Netscape. And there it is in it's entirety! Local and fast!
Available at any time.

Of course it can always be viewed on line at www.442.com or
www.en.com/users/thall.

Thanks to Bryce, Todd and Terrill for letting the FAQ reside on their
machines!

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
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From: "blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:56:55 -0400
Subject: Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS

I called this place last Monday asking about fenders, bumpers, and such.  I
decided right away that I wasn't going to do business with them, even if
they did have good prices (and they didn't, BTW. They want $850 for some
used dinged-up fenders!).  The person I talked to acted like he was too
busy to talk to me.  I don't know about anyone else, but to me, the
employee's attitude is one of the most important things.  If I call a place
and they act like they don't have time to help a potential customer, I'm
going to hang up and call someone else.

Just my two cents...

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

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From: Jay Britt <Jbritt@nas1.360.cdpd.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:57:38 -0400
Subject: Re: '68 Cutlass Exhaust Question

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
> If, on an ordinary '68 Cutlass "S" 2-door like mine, you ordered factory
> dual exhausts when the car was new, did you get the 4-4-2 style cutout
> rear bumper? Or, was it at least available on the "S" as an option? I

Greg,
My '68 Cutlass S has dual exhaust, but no cutout bumper. I'm pretty sure
it was duals from the factory.
Hope this helps.

Jay Britt
'68 Cutlass S Conv.
'89 Calais Quad4

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:22:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Another FAQ

At 11:55 AM 3/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Just a note to let everyone know that the all HTML version of the FAQ is
>available!

Just checked it out; neatest thing since sliced bread! Nice to have that
"zip-package" so I can refer to it locally.

Thanks a lot, Dave; excellent job!

Of course, if anyone has joined the list, they should check out to see if
the FAQ addresses the question that they have in mind, since there's a LOT
of stuff in there!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: NotDads442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:27:25 -0400
Subject: Quad 4's idle/racing (wasRe: '92 Achieva w/H.O. modifications)

James I just came up with an idea for you on your problem.  A friend at work
was having the same type of problems with a F*rd Esc*rt.  He found a crack in
the hose/tubing that leads from the throttle body unit to the intake
manifold.  On the Quad 4(I'm working from memory here..) this is a black
ribbed plastic piece.  Check the connections on this and check the ribbing
for cracks.  My friend found a crack on the bottom side that was about 2
inches long.  He replaced the part and all is well.

Cecil
1991 442 W-41
NotDads442@aol.com


>From: James Pindar <jp@webspan.net>
>Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 01:28:52 -0400
>Subject: Re: '92 Achieva w/H.O. modifications
>
>Greg Yonge wrote:
>
> Anyone know of any performance modifications that can be made to a '92
Achieva >with the H.O. engine?
>Greg, does your engine race?

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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:42:10 -0400
Subject: Re: Finally, Olds content in Car Craft

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>

>I was amused at the restoration of the air cleaner lid, though.  I'm not
>familiar with the OAI setup (I've never seen one in ~real~ life) but I
>have a strong asssumption that the lid they show being restored has ~no~
>place in an OAI setup.  Am I right?

Its in there.  Its the same diameter as the air filter and holds it down
via the normal lid wingnut.  The plastic flapper assembly sits above
the lid, sealed to the outer base.

>  The '71 GS on the cover ~really~ got
>my attention, but I wasn't suprised to find that it wasn't even in the
>book.

I noticed that too.

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:49:18 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Another FAQ

Forgot to add this in the original message. I apologize for content that I
have waiting for inclusion, but is missing. It will get in there soon!

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
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Just checked it out; neatest thing since sliced bread! Nice to have that
"zip-package" so I can refer to it locally.

Thanks a lot, Dave; excellent job!

Of course, if anyone has joined the list, they should check out to see if
the FAQ addresses the question that they have in mind, since there's a LOT
of stuff in there!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Death <dldeathe@mail.pittstate.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 13:49:56 -0400
Subject: Re: anyone have a phone number for HEDDMANN HEDDERS?

>
> Call Summit Racing, 1-330-630-3030, they will give it to you.


Actually try 1-800-230-3030

It is Summits toll free number

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From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:12:00 -0400
Subject: Got my Olds!

I pick up the Ciera XS yesterday late afternoon! The car runs perfect.
Even has the original GM/Packard silicone plug wires still on it and
working fine. The 3.3 is real strong. It handles great w/ the Goodyear
Invictas on it. The 3.3 revs right up to the 5000 rpm redline and the 3 speed
clicks off shifts perfectly. I am one happy Olds owner.





FRank... 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition
         65 El Camino.......

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From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:27:00 -0400
Subject: GM RPO book info

In reguard to the GM RPO book--
There is no part ª on it that I can find. On the front it says---
'GM production options. Passinger/light truck.'Then in the middle is the GM
logs and under ir it says 'servive parts operations' Under that it says
'General Motors Corp'. Under that it says 'Engineering department'
Then the effective date on the bottom, 'Effective January, 1996'
I told em I was restoring my last car, an 86 Monte Carlo SS and I wanted
to research the car and wanted to look up all its RPO codes and they
suggested this book. I musta got the 'right' person:-)

FRank... 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition
         65 El Camino.......

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From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:32:00 -0400
Subject: hop up a 3.3/3.8

I ordered an K&N filter (33-2022) already which is the same filter as the
Quad 4 engine. Is there any other hop ups anyone knows of for the 3.3/3.8
besides the exhaust which is next on the XS.







FRank... 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition
         65 El Camino.......

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From: Junior627@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:34:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

i was just wondering if you had a right taillight for a 1985 Delta 88...

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:22:10 -0400
Subject: Where is Bill Culp?

Bill,
If you are still around, I need you to E-mail me at
Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.com
I would like to talk about used truck availability in your neck of the
woods.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: Junior627@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:39:33 -0400
Subject: Re: paint/body work in DFW area ??

In a message dated 97-03-10 11:36:32 EST, you write:

<< DFW area  >>
where the hell is this place..

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From: Junior627@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:44:56 -0400
Subject: Re: 1981 Delta 88

In a message dated 97-03-11 14:33:19 EST, you write:

<< I have a 1981 Delta 88 Royal Brougham.  4-door,307, lt. waxbery irid color
 and tan interior.  My problem is that I have hard time finding ideas and
 examples of this car in terms of body upgrades, spoilers, airdams, etc. >>

 i have the same problems i have a 85 Delta 88 2door and i have been looking
all over for some pictures or examples of what kind of work looks good...so
if you find anything i would appretiate it if you forward it to
junior627@aol.com

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From: "blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:49:26 -0400
Subject: Parts Interchange Q's

I have a few questions for you guys 'n' gals:

1) Will a clock out of a '69 Cutlass S fit in my '72 Cutlass Supreme?

2) What years/makes/models of GM cars used the same front windshield/trim
as '72 Cutlass?

I have access to a few '68-'69's that are about to be sent to the crusher,
and I want to know which parts I can use for my '72...

Thanks!

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

P.S. - Thanks to everyone who answered my timing questions.  I understand
now ;)

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From: "blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:52:04 -0400
Subject: Re: GM RPO book info

What kind of info is provided in this book?  How far back does it go?  Does
it cover '60-'70's cars?

- ----------
> From: SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK <FBS3@OAS.PSU.EDU>
<snippers>
> I told em I was restoring my last car, an 86 Monte Carlo SS and I wanted
> to research the car and wanted to look up all its RPO codes and they
> suggested this book. I musta got the 'right' person:-)

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:51:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Got my Olds

Happiness is a natural feeling when you own an Olds, get used to it!
The only thing better is driving an Olds that you own.

Congratulations,
Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: Junior627@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 14:58:34 -0400
Subject: oil in air cleaner assembly

today i opened the air cleaner assembly and there was a thin layer of oil in
the bottom of the assembly i was wondering if anyone could give me
suggestions on what it could mean...also does anyone have an idea of what a
rear tailight will cost for 1985 Delta 88 V6 231 3.8 L Rwd.

- --------------------------------
Nicolo A. Michelli Jr.
New York
1985 delta 88
V6 231 3.8 L
- ------------------------------

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From: NotDads442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:00:53 -0400
Subject: Re: newbie Cutlass Ciera question

Frank,

No need to bother with the Olds History Center!

I have the production figures for 1990 Oldsmobiles.  I asked and got them
from KLK Olds@aol.com when looking for produciton figures on my 1991 442
W-41.

By my interpretations your car, a B2E "XC Special Edition" Ciera, if a two
door is one of 302 produced with that option package. If it is a four door,
it is one of 955.  So it is indeed a rare car.  Whether or not it is valuable
in the long run could generate threads on this list for eternity!

If you would like a copy of this sheet contact KLK Olds@aol.com or e-mail me
privately with your address and I can send you a copy of what Kerrick sent
me.

Cecil
1991 442 W-41
NotDads442@aol.com

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From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:01:00 -0400
Subject: Olds history center

Some people spoke of the Olds history center. How can I get in touch with
them?What is their phone ª?








FRank... 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition
         65 El Camino.......

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From: Jim Lyons <jimbo@ti.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:22:11 -0400
Subject: Re: paint/body work in DFW area ??

Dallas Fort Worth area. Sorry for the lazy fingers....

Jim

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Original text

From: Junior627@aol.com, on 3/12/97 2:39 PM:
In a message dated 97-03-10 11:36:32 EST, you write:

<< DFW area  >>
where the hell is this place..

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From: turley@symplex.com (Mike Turley)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:20:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds history center

> Some people spoke of the Olds history center. How can I get in touch with
> them?What is their phone ª?

Taken from the FAQ:

Oldsmobile History Center
Mail Stop 1040
Oldsmobile Division
920 Townsend St.
Lansing, MI 48921-0001
(517) 885-1502
Hours: 7 - 11 AM

Helen Early is the contact person.


Mike Turley
turley@symplex.com

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From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 15:37:18 -0400
Subject: Re: BEWARE BUYERS/RECOURSE

Re:  Kevin Wong's reply--YES, you definitely have recourse when you use a
credit card.  Contact the credit card co. ASAP by phone and let them know
what happened.  They will then check it out.  It should appear on your
next bill as a "conditional credit" if they are still working on it.  You
may have to submit something in writing to them to back up your phone
call, also; sometimes a form found on the back of your monthly
statement.  (At least that's the way it is with our's, Citibank's
American Airlines AAdvantage card.)  Or, they sometimes send YOU a form
to fill out and mail back.  Keep copies of ALL correspondence until the
matter is resolved.

All the above info is based on our experiences with Citibank, but there
are basic laws that apply to ALL credit cards (look at the fine print on
your monthly statements).

My husband sends for many parts and services (re-chroming, new lines,
etc.) and prefers to pay for it with our credit card because of the way
they fight for you.  We have had a few bogus (not our charges to begin
with), along with other disputed charges through the years and have been
very happy with how things have been resolved.  We weren't out to scam
anybody and were just trying to protect ourselves as consumers.  There
are a few unscrupulous vendors out there, and anything you can do to
protect yourselves is of great benefit!!

Also, if you found what turns out to be a bad vendor through Hemmings
Motor News' ads, write and tell them what happened, also.  They will check
it out, and if the complaint is legitimate, Hemmings will ban them from
advertising in their pages.

Hope this wasn't too long-winded, but my husband is restoring a '69 H/O
(frame-off) in our garage, and has had lots of experience with different
vendors around the country.

Sherie & Jeff Stanish
'69 H/O, '75 H/O, '79 H/O

On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Kevin Wong wrote:

> Sorry to hear about the reneging retailer.  Isn't there some sort of
> implied product warranty when certain credit cards are used?  Barring this,
> is it possible to contact the credit company and indicate that you never
> authorized the $89.00 charge?  It would then be up to this shady
> retailer to pursue the matter directly with you?  I have no experience
> in this sort of matter; are these viable courses of action?



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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:00:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Apollo HEI distributor factoid

On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, Tony Waldner wrote:

> >Umm, wouldn't that be a ~Buick~ Apollo?  Or an Olds Omega?  Or is there
> >more to this distributor than I'm familiar with....  ??
> >
> >>
>
> OMYGOSH!!!!   Charley........Are you feeling okay today?????  This has to
> be your first post where you didn't bash a Chevy!!!!

Close...  Second.  It might have been before your time here :)

And, no I"m not feeling well, thanks.  I'm still fighting this text-only
internet :(  Yuk!  Anyway, apparantly my ch*vy bashes musta got lost in
the ascii transfer...  :)

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From: talcarol@erie.net (Chris Kugler)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:09:40 -0400
Subject: Re: '77 Olds 442

John Schumacher wrote:
>
>I think production numbers on 77's were real low, around 350 total.
>Several months back there was an article on the 77 442 in the JWO
>newsletter.

My '77 442 is in mint condition with only around 40,000 miles on it.  If
there were only 350 made and I got mine for around $7000 did I get a really
good deal?

Chris Kugler
talcarol@erie.net

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:08:59 -0400
Subject: Re: oil in air cleaner assembly

On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 Junior627@aol.com wrote:

> today i opened the air cleaner assembly and there was a thin layer of oil in
> the bottom of the assembly i was wondering if anyone could give me
> suggestions on what it could mean...

Blow-by often causes this in extreme cases.  You may check out your PCV
system to see if it's operating properly.  In a very simplified term,
"rings."  My thoughts, anyway.


also does anyone have an idea of what a
> rear tailight will cost for 1985 Delta 88 V6 231 3.8 L Rwd.

Depends on wherer you're at, I suppose.  Around here you can still get
broken ones for free :)

>
> --------------------------------
> Nicolo A. Michelli Jr.
> New York
> 1985 delta 88
> V6 231 3.8 L
> ------------------------------
>

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From: idaholc@primenet.com (william goodnight)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:10:02 -0400
Subject: Mexican Chrome Report

I just returned from Yuma and Calexico, CA. where I picked up my front and
rear bumpers from Mike Aldana who brokers for a Mexicali chrome shop.  I
told you folks that I would report back.  The parts are beautiful, and get
this.  For my mammoth 5-pc. front bumper and 3-pc. rear bumper I paid a
total of $365.  That was the cheapest bid I got from U.S. shops for the
front bumper alone.

I am bundling up all of my stainless to send to him for polishing.  The
price is right.  You can contact him via this Olds group or e-mail at
maldana@quix.net.


Bill Goodnight
idaholc@primenet.com
Boise, Idaho

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From: Matthew Butler <matthewbutler@oscsystems.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:28:24 -0400
Subject: Reply W31 455 for sale

The motor is located in Washington DC at a shop called PowerHouse
(703) 204-0444.  Tell the owner that you found out about this motor on
the internet at the Oldsmobile List serv.

It all looks good and this guy, although he holds very odd hours, is
considered the one of the best speed men in the area.

Happy Hunting

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From: Denney J Keys <Denney.J.Keys.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:25:49 -0400
Subject: Re: oil in air cleaner assembly

Although I am one of the many silent members on the list, I encountered this
particular problem on a 1985 Cutlass Supreme with the 3.8 L V-6 (RWD).  The
oil finds it's way into the air cleaner housing through the breather hose
connecting it to the valve cover (typically located at the rear of the
passenger side valve cover) and, from what I can gather, is likely caused by
one, or a combination of the following; (1) slight vacuum effect pulled by
the carb and possibly a clogged PCV, (2) the thermo vac flapper valve not
opening, and/or (3) poor drainage from the head back into the block
(splashing effect in the valve cover).  Someone once recommended to me that
this was an indication of a bad valve cover gasket, but I replaced them and
this problem still existed.

After extensive troubleshooting, I decided to live with it and just wipe out
the housing on a regular basis.

Denney (66 Cutlass Conv., 72 Cutlass, 73 4-4-2, 95 Cutlass Supreme (replaced
85 Cutlass Supreme))

<snip>
At 02:58 PM 3/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>today i opened the air cleaner assembly and there was a thin layer of oil in
>the bottom of the assembly i was wondering if anyone could give me
>suggestions on what it could mean...also does anyone have an idea of what a
>rear tailight will cost for 1985 Delta 88 V6 231 3.8 L Rwd.
>
>--------------------------------
>Nicolo A. Michelli Jr.
>New York
>1985 delta 88
>V6 231 3.8 L
>------------------------------
>
>
>
 ________
 |  /\  | Denney J. Keys, P.E.
 |  ||  | Code 734 - Space Power Applications Branch
 |  ||  | Goddard Space Flight Center
 |  ||  | Greenbelt, MD  20771
 |  ||  | Phone ª(301)286-6202/Fax ª(301)286-1743
 | //\\ |
 ||/||\||
 |_/||\_|
    /\
   //\\

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From: Dustin E Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:38:47 -0400
Subject: [none]

I am looking for a good performence chip for my '89 cutlass supreme (3.1
V6 with auto overdrive)

Also NEED left power window motor (2 door) having trouble finding
reasonably priced replacement

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:02:57 -0400
Subject: Re: '68 Cutlass Exhaust Question

At 12:22 PM 3/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Here's one for the sixties experts out there:
>
>If, on an ordinary '68 Cutlass "S" 2-door like mine, you ordered factory
>dual exhausts when the car was new, did you get the 4-4-2 style cutout
>rear bumper? Or, was it at least available on the "S" as an option? I
>haven't been able to get a clear answer to this. Anyone know for sure?
>
>I'd love to have a cutout bumper, and especially the trumpet exhausts, but I
>don't want to be accused of trying to be a 4-4-2 when I'm not. If it was
>originally available, though, I wouldn't hesitate.
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>
>

Greg,

        In 68 the ONLY cars to get the cutout bumper was the 442 or the
Hurst/Olds. Not even the Ram Rod 350 cars. They had a plain bumper with
regular dual exhaust. Sorry!

Jim Chermack>

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:03:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Parts Interchange Q's

At 02:49 PM 3/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I have a few questions for you guys 'n' gals:
>
>1) Will a clock out of a '69 Cutlass S fit in my '72 Cutlass Supreme?

**** No! Not without a fight.
>
>2) What years/makes/models of GM cars used the same front windshield/trim
>as '72 Cutlass?

****  68-72 2 door A-body GM all use the same windshield trim. 4 doors are
different side pieces, the top is the same.
>
>I have access to a few '68-'69's that are about to be sent to the crusher,
>and I want to know which parts I can use for my '72...
>
>Thanks!
>
>-Blaine
>'72 Cutlass Supreme
>
>P.S. - Thanks to everyone who answered my timing questions.  I understand
>now ;)
>
>

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:03:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

At 02:34 PM 3/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>i was just wondering if you had a right taillight for a 1985 Delta 88...


Sorry. Most of my parts are for 64-72 442/Cutlass.

Thanks,

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442>

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:12:06 -0400
Subject: Re: Parts Interchange Q's

On Wed, 12 Mar 1997, blaines wrote:
> 1) Will a clock out of a '69 Cutlass S fit in my '72 Cutlass Supreme?

Physically, I think so. But I know the dial faces are different, so
it'll look out of place.

> 2) What years/makes/models of GM cars used the same front windshield/trim
> as '72 Cutlass?

'68-'72 A-bodies were the same body series and shared these parts I
believe. Skylarks, Tempests, Chevelles probably interchange trim at
least. We had a discussion about windshields here a few weeks back; some
body styles might be different there. But I think a 2-door hardtop
windshield might be the same regardless of whether it's from a Skylark or
a Cutlass.

> I have access to a few '68-'69's that are about to be sent to the crusher,
> and I want to know which parts I can use for my '72...

OH NO!!!! :-o   (recoiling in horror)

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(whose '68 in the garage would shed a tear if it knew about this)

------------------------------

From: dk0009@epfl2.epflbalto.org (Douglas Kitchener)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:12:31 -0400
Subject: Freebees!  Olds parts

Olds List members:

I've got a few things around here that I wanna get rid of... nothing of any
great condition or value, so if anyone wants 'em, they're yours, first come,
first served.  I won't/can't ship this stuff, but if you can get to within 100
 miles of Washington DC, (2 hours), I'll meet you.  Or, can arrange delivery
to Carlisle, and possibly to other points from there.

Here are these valuable items!

'69 Cutlass hood, maroon, this is a "flat" hood from a Supreme 4-door sedan,
has some damage but better than nothing.

Driveshaft from the same car (it was a Turbo 350); remember, _4-door_!

Green '70 Cutlass dash pad.

Green '70 "control panel" (plastic piece that holds radio, instrument
clusters, heater control.  Nice, only minor mods for radio.

'70 Cutlass front bumper.  Terrible.  Rusty, probly bent too.  You could
straighten it, but it's kinda nasty.

Might be able to also dig up an assortment of '69 Cutlass and '70 Cutlass and
Supreme grilles, all sorta beat but fixable and /or usable for driver cars.

There it is!  Don't everybody nuke me at once!

If you're interested, email me at dk0009@mail.pratt.lib.md.us; I'm not on the
list.

Regards,

Doug

------------------------------

From: Ryan Hehn <RYANH@docker.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:18:53 -0400
Subject: Re: '77 Olds 442

John Schumacher wrote:
>
> Robert Yasczak wrote:
> >
>   I do believe that there were fewer than 10,000 produced in 1976,
> > but I am unsure about 1977.
> >
>
> I think production numbers on 77's were real low, around 350 total.
> Several months back there was an article on the 77 442 in the JWO
> newsletter.
>
> --
> John "Shoe-Man" Schumacher
> North Texas Olds Club ª254      64 Dynamic 88
> Dallas, Texas                   69 442
> OCA ª021151                     74 Cutlass Supreme

Only 350??? Would that include the ones sold in Canada?  If I had only
known this 3-4 years ago..  There was a '77 442 in town for sale in
great shape for $2500 (Cdn.).  Unfortunately, the guy who bought it is
driving it around in the winter, and sadly, it appears to be
deteriorating... What is he thinking!!?!

Anyone have the figures for the '73 442?  They are not my favorite body
style (no offense to anyone intended!), but there was a beige/brown one
for sale last summer for $800.  Running condition, but solid &
restorable.  Don't feel so bad about letting this one slip away...

Ryan Hehn
ryanh@docker.com

------------------------------

From: chuck kapigian <chuck@mhbc.hbocvan.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:35:17 -0400
Subject: Axle Code

I was wondering if anybody has knowledge of this axle code { 2 AF O 070
}. It is from an '83 Hurst/Olds. I have a Chassis Service Manual for all
'83 Oldsmobiles but it is not in there. It displays three pages of
charts of different varieties, but not the code I posses. Thanks

- -Chuck

------------------------------

From: Nick DiGiovanni <ndigiova@Direct.CA>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:35:59 -0400
Subject: Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS

At 11:54 AM 3/12/97 -0400, Kurt wrote:
>mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>> No, I use Fusick's for everything they have. They don't carry the fender
wells,
>> so I called this place. I have since called Ron Memmer and told him to
send me
>> good used wells. I will paint them.
>>
>> Art
>
>Year One has these, black $349 pair, red $439 pair.  They also sell
>individually if you only need 1.

I was just going to post a reply to Art's original post but you now
mentioned Year One.  Art, sorry to hear about the problem you had with 'The
Parts Place'.
I just completed a total restoration on my '70 4-4-2 and one of the things
that I replaced was the fender wells.  I checked out all other places since
Fusick didn't carry them (I also shop mostly with Fusick).  I ended up
ordering a pair from Year One as they claimed that they were die stamped
and accurate down to the last grove etc. etc.  So I ordered them at $349
plus shipping (came to over $500 Canadian!!).
The problem that came up was that my car was being restored on Vancouver
Island and I went to look at it's progress about once per month.  When I
ordered the fender wells about a year ago, Year One said that they only had
one in stock so that they would wait until the other one came in to ship
the two together.  Well every month I would call Year One just to hear that
the other one was still a no show.  I had already been charged on my VISA
from day one (not to be confused with Year One).  They eventually got
shipped 4 months later and due to the lengthy delay, I asked them to ship
them directly to the location of where my car was.  Therefore I did not see
them firsthand.  The fellow doing the restoration on my car said that they
were really tough to put in.  I asked what he meant and he went on to
explain that they were smaller than the originals.  I figured he just
didn't try hard enough so I went over there.  These 'things' looked like
they were about 4-6 inches narrower than the original and no matter how
hard you tried to bolt them to the lip of the fender, they were at least
4-6 inches away from the bottom of the frame where they are supposed to
bolt also.  If you tried to bolt them on the frame also, they would
'buckle' severely in the center.  We even thought that maybe they needed to
be heated but for the amount of stretching that has to be done, it simply
wouldn't work.  They even cause tire rub at only half turn steering.
IMHO, they are nice and clean but that is it.  They fit awful and don't
have all the original groves that the original ones have.  I don't know
where Year One gets off on telling me that they are die stamped.... yeah
from what?!?  I took pictures of them in my car and am going to call Year
One and ask them what they intend to do.  I expect nothing as they have
already been bolted in and most likely cannot be returned.  I would like to
at least get some sort of credit as the fender wells are completely
unacceptable.  Heck, for that kind of money I could have gone to a salvage
yard and drove a complete car home with some half decent fender wells and
other parts.  I ended up getting a good clean set of fender wells locally
from a friend.  So to make a long story short, Year One is no innocent
vendor either and now I know why Fusick doesn't carry them.  I hope that
anyone considering buying them will reconsider and find a good used set
elsewhere.  Just my $0.02.






Nick DiGiovanni
ndigiova@Direct.CA
Port Coquitlam, B.C.
1970 4-4-2

------------------------------

From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:37:39 -0400
Subject: Re: oil in air cleaner assembly

   I have a sneaky suspicion that your compression rings are starting to go
south.
The next time you have your hood open turn the engine on and unplug your pcv
pipe from the air cleaner assembly and check to see if there is smoke or
pressure coming out of the pipe.   Most engines will have a mild amount of
blowby or air but if it seems like a lot then your next step is to do a
compression check.
   If your car is equipped with a catalytic converter you probably won't
notice any smoke coming from the engine except maybe in the morning or when
the engine is still cold --- before the catalytic converter is "lit".

------------------------------

From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:56:17 -0400
Subject: Re: '68 Cutlass Exhaust Question

Greg,
I hate to disagree with the others, so I'll agree and then disagree. Normally,
 your car came with a regular bumper. However, if you ordered the car with a
cutout, or asked the dealer to install one, you could certainly get one on a
new car.

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com

P.S. I'm not trying to sell you a bumper.

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:58:38 -0400
Subject: Re: 1981 Delta 88

At 01:44 PM 3/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
><< I have a 1981 Delta 88 Royal Brougham.  4-door,307, lt. waxbery irid color
> and tan interior.  My problem is that I have hard time finding ideas and
> examples of this car in terms of body upgrades, spoilers, airdams, etc. >>
>
> i have the same problems i have a 85 Delta 88 2door and i have been looking
>all over for some pictures or examples of what kind of work looks good...so
>if you find anything i would appretiate it if you forward it to

Well, there *are* no body upgrades specifically for these cars. That doesn't
mean that there *can't* be any, it's just that nobody has produced them, and
it's unlikely that anyone ever will produce them.

In terms of things that you could adapt, or do yourself, you face a couple
hurdles:

Rear Spoiler: Two problems [plus another].

One, the back edge of your rear deck is "beveled", rather than a
right-angle. It's going to be tough to incorporate a rear spoiler on the
back there that blends with the lines, or looks anything other than
tacked-on. You could custom-bend some sheetmetal, weld it on back there, and
create a completely custom spoiler that blends smoothly on there, but that'd
be a lot of work.

Two, if you could find a spoiler that would blend, it would also have to be
*wide* enough to fit the whole rear deck. Now, this didn't seem to be much
of a concern for many drivers of the little import cars (or for some reason,
G-bodies as well) that I happened across every day driving through Yonkers
and the Bronx, but I would *hesistate* to call those body modifications an
"improvement" (i.e. not every change or modification is necessarily an
improvement).

[Third, and I put this in brackets because we're talking about improving the
"appearance" of a car: I personally don't think that a spoiler looks
suitable on a 4-door car like an 88. In my opinion, the best improvements to
the body can be had by cleaning up the already sharp lines that this car had
from the factory, by dechroming and smoothing the body panels, removing
door-handles, blending in the taillights, etc. Of course, if you want a
Fiero GT wing looking back at you in your rear-view mirror, hey, it's your
car).]

Front Spoiler: again, the problems will be getting one wide enough, if you
can even find one that would match the contours of your car. And, if you
*do* find one, it'd be tough to add it to the car without making your car
look like it has a bad case of "overbite", since the lowest part of the car
will now be the front spoiler (of course, the first time you park head-on in
a parking lot, the curb will "take car" of that spoiler!).

If this were my car, the first thing I would try to do is emphasize the
clean lines of the car, and the second thing I would do is to lower the
suspension by an inch or two, and add tires that fill the wheelwells
(255/70-15, 235/60-16, 245/50-17 or such). I think that would be the best
option. But then again, that's just me and my preference. This is remarkably
different from what appealed to me ten or fifteen years ago... (yes, I
considered air shocks...)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:58:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Reply W31 455 for sale

At 03:28 PM 3/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>The motor is located in Washington DC at a shop called PowerHouse

I still want to know whether it's a W31 or a 455... (out of the W-3* options
for motors, W-31 is the only one that *wasn't* a 455 in 1970...)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:25:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Axle Code

chuck kapigian wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anybody has knowledge of this axle code { 2 AF O 070
> }. It is from an '83 Hurst/Olds. I have a Chassis Service Manual for all
> '83 Oldsmobiles but it is not in there. It displays three pages of
> charts of different varieties, but not the code I posses. Thanks
>
> -Chuck
Chuck,
 I check both my '82 and '86 manuals and can't find any refence to a 2
AF...but then they didn't make the H/O either of those years either...
maybe someone has an '84 manual they can check??


- --Matt Mayer
'86 442

------------------------------

From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 01:14:03 -0400
Subject: Re: anyone have a phone number for HEDDMANN HEDDERS?

Death wrote:
>
> >
> > Call Summit Racing, 1-330-630-3030, they will give it to you.
>
>
> Actually try 1-800-230-3030
>
> It is Summits toll free number

Whoa! When did they get that?

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 19:23:44 -0400
Subject: Re: '66 Olds Dynamic 88 Convertible

In a message dated 97-03-11 14:57:07 EST, you write:

<< I have the opportunity to purchase a '66 Olds Dynamic (?) 88 Convertible
 for approx $3600
 Can anyone tell me about this type of Olds.

Everybody else pretty much covered the place of the Dynamic 88 in
Oldsmobile's model spectrum, so I will only add two things.

First, the 425 was available for Dynamic 88's, but I can't say it was
standard. That's a question for someone with a GM catalogue or production
figures. My 1965 model does have a 425 engine, which suprised me for three
reasons. First, it apparently has no other options, with the possible
exception of power steering, if that was an option. Second, the carburetor
(not known if original) is a 2 bbl Rochester (type 2GC, I should know, I
rebuilt it), from which I inferred a small block engine. Thirdly, I know for
a fact that the original owner of my car was an old (perhaps only by time of
sale) woman who only (according to second owner, whose mental equal was
previously mentioned by someone as offering to start an out-of-car
engine/transmission!) drove it to church and the market, not a person whom
you might expect to order a 425/TH400 combo.

The second point I wish to make is price. I spent $1400 on my 1965 car which
was in condition 4 or worse; 74K miles with rust only on the very bottom of
the panels (and all over the rear bumper!) I am satisfied that I got my
money's worth. The 1966 Convertible model for $3600? For this amount I would
expect the top to be in good condition, or failing that, the body to be in
very good condition. Realize that if it is the original top (31 years old) it
could very well be enjoying an extended rot! I assume that it is a two-door.
Perhaps someone else could better address the issue of convertible prices.


Just a caveat from...

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

another thought about duct tape....   "13. The important things are always
simple."
                                                      - from Murphy's Laws of
Combat

------------------------------

From: SRB442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:04:19 -0400
Subject: Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS

Hi,
    Thanks for the warning on this. I am restoring a 70 442 and will need to
get front inner fenders soon and was wondering how they would ship them
without getting them marked up. It's to bad you took all the right steps and
verified there shipping procedures and then get screwed around anyway. I will
steer clear of the parts place.

                                                            Thanks
                                                                  Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham

------------------------------

From: Robert Yasczak <VJTD@grove.iup.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:16:06 -0400
Subject: Re: '77 Olds 442

I do believe that the production figures were actually higher than the 1976
figures.  I'm at school right now and don't have access to any of my Olds
books to check out the numbers, but I really do think that they made more in
1977 than in 1976. Robert Yasczakvjtd@grove.iup.edu




------------------------------

From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:22:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Got my Olds!

FRank,

Congrats on your new Olds!
Many happy miles to you!


      Jim Townsend

      '90 Calais

------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:24:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Oil seals and axle shafts- a saga

 Thanks for everybody's input, including EA, although I can't see myself
welding anything onto a fill plug...

Just to let everybody know, I found what I hope will be a good machine shop,
I'll post their name at a later date if I'm impressed. They informed me that
the old oil seals can't be removed without destroying the wheel bearings. Oh.
(To be read: Its a good thing I didn't find this out during the process since
it is only my daily driver in which case I would be adding some rather
colorful metaphors and other vicious jargon....) Although somebody (either
*Bob* Barry or the Wiz) mentioned that it was a 'good' thing to replace both
oil seals and perhaps the bearings as well, I don't remember anyone
mentioning it explicitly. Perhaps those of you who commented on this thread
meant to say that but thought it too obvious to mention (I prefer to think
so).

Anyway, I'm set to do the job on Saturday (again) after I ask a few
questions;

1. When I replaced the axleshaft I tightened the nuts pretty good. Is there a
torque specification for this? (Chassis manual has not arrived yet)

2. Apparently I am going to need a part ª for a wheel bearing. Number on
differential was K114  9778080 (could not discern positively whether the 9
was an 8 or not). Can anyone suggest a part ª?

3. If a 7-11 is open 24hrs, why is there a lock on the door?
              Sorry about that, couldn't help myself, already know answer.

Thanks again.

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Chicago, IL

Duct tape; it even sticks to (most) politicians!


------------------------------

From: BobH592058@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:53:31 -0400
Subject: BUYERS BEWARE

I'd like to re-iterate the advice about the credit card.  Some years ago I
had a Corvair powered dune buggy (with a 67 Cutlass steering column = Olds
content).

I ordered a performance intake system which consisted essentialy of weld pipe
which was then chromed.  One was so mis-shapen it could never fit correctly.


In short, since they failed to provide the merchandise I had ordered I called
the credit card company to ask what I could do.  They suggested I call back
and tell them that if I didn't receive the merchandise I ordered, in the
condition it was represented to at the time of the sale, they could and would
reverse the entire transaction.

Call you credit card issuer!  I can't guarantee the same action but you don't
know until you ask.  Fraud by a vendor can mean big negative bucks to the
issuer.  I think they might be interested in this particular company's
attitudes/actions.

Bob Handren        OCA/OCFª 7728
'67 W-30 Modified     '70 SX Convertible
Oviedo, FL

Handren Associates, Inc.
FDA Medical Device Regulatory Affairs
Laser/Optical Radiation Safety
(407)365-6385

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:59:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Refinishing?? Black Door and Trunk Locks

At 10:06 AM 3/12/97 -0400, NotDads442@aol.com wrote:
>Does anybody know what I can do to get the locks on my 1991 W-41 refinished?

Well you can pick up replacement locks from Auto Zone, Parts America, etc
that black. Only downside is you have to use different keys....
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  f-list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30..http://www.442.com/labay.html
75 Hurst/Olds W-25..soon to be a born again junkyard car.

------------------------------

From: mike.blankenship@medaphis.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:04:05 -0400
Subject: 4-4-2 Numerals

Just to let everyone be aware,  I bought some new fender numerals for my
1970.  The boxes said GM restoration parts, I dont know if GM made these or
they reproduced by an outside vendor and licensed by GM.  The top mounting
stud on the number 4's are too far inboard and when put in existing factory
punched holes the numeral is noticeable crooked.  I bought 2 full sets and all
were crooked. I even compared them to some NOS numerals and there made wrong.

Mike
66 442
69 H/O
70 442 W30
71 442 Convt

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:04:40 -0400
Subject: Re: '77 Olds 442

At 11:17 AM 3/12/97 -0400, John Schumacher wrote:
>Robert Yasczak wrote:
>>
>  I do believe that there were fewer than 10,000 produced in 1976,
>> but I am unsure about 1977.
>>
>
>I think production numbers on 77's were real low, around 350 total.
>Several months back there was an article on the 77 442 in the JWO
>newsletter.

In 1977 there were 11,649 produced. One of the highest production years for
442's
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  f-list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30..http://www.442.com/labay.html
75 Hurst/Olds W-25..soon to be a born again junkyard car.

------------------------------

From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 20:28:00 -0400
Subject: Omega vs. Apollo

My thanks to Charley for setting me straight on my Apollo/Omega mix up.
It's all Greek to me......

Scott Mullen

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:00:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Oil seals and axle shafts- a saga

At 07:24 PM 3/12/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Just to let everybody know, I found what I hope will be a good machine shop,
>I'll post their name at a later date if I'm impressed. They informed me that
>the old oil seals can't be removed without destroying the wheel bearings. Oh.

Hmmm, you mean that they can't get the old bearing off without destroying
it? Is there any guarantee that they can get the new one *on* without
destroying it? Definitely make a few phone calls to other places to confirm
that this is SOP for removing and installing bearings.

Of course, since you'll have the bearings out, there is no reason NOT to
replace them at this time (one of those cheap insurance things).

>3. If a 7-11 is open 24hrs, why is there a lock on the door?

C'mon, how else would a gunman be able to hold customers hostage?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Rich Inacker <rinacker@voicenet.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:18:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Dipstick Tube/ Motor mounts/Oiling System

J2RKT@aol.com wrote:
>When i was running my 330 in the Olds i was just barely turning 5000 rpm
>going through the lights with the 4.33:1 gears

That RPM seems low with 4.33s. Were you running a large diameter rear tire
or a very loose torque converter ?

FWIW, with 3.90s, 26 inch diameter tires and 2800 stall on my 66 F-85, the
455 is turning 5200-5400 through the traps. I run with a 5800 RPM rev
limiter chip in the MSD 6AL.

Rich

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rinacker@voicenet.com (Rich Inacker)
http://www.voicenet.com/~rinacker

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:20:40 -0400
Subject: Re: '68 Cutlass Exhaust Question

I agree with Art.  If you walked into your Oldsmobile dealer and said I
want a 68 Cutlass S, with the cutout bumper, you would get it.  I would
have not bought a 68 Cutlass without one.  That bumper adds so much to
that car.

- -Dan

P.S. I bet Art has a New Mexico 68 442 Bumper for sale :)

> I hate to disagree with the others, so I'll agree and then disagree.
Normally, > your car came with a regular bumper. However, if you ordered the
car with a > cutout, or asked the dealer to install one, you could certainly
get one on a new > car. > > Art Fuller > mefco@sprynet.com > > P.S. I'm not
trying to sell you a bumper.

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:26:59 -0400
Subject: Re: GM RPO book info

These GM RPO books are handy little books, they are given to all parts
counter people to refer to. The older parts books have these number listed in
the front.
  They explain all the "option" numbers. The later model cars have this label
in the trunk or glove box or console. It tells what W30 stands for or W27 FE3
is suspension  G80 is limited slip axle. C60 is air cond. C65 automatic air.
  these are just examples of different option codes.
  If you have a friend or know someone in a GM Parts dept I'm sure they would
give you an old one. They are published each year and have the vinª
explanation in the front  and cover all GM made vehicles.
   If anyone wants  or needs more info on this e-mail me privately and I will
help


Everett   ANTIQOLDS@AOL.COM

 E&G Automotive
1-401-435-7139

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:26:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Refinishing?? Black Door and Trunk Locks

Cecil,

I believe they are stainless steel.  I also think the original finish
was E-Coat.  Painting them would work, but powder coating would be more
duarble.

Jeff.

'91 quad 442 W-41

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:40:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Parts Interchange Q's

Blaine
  No the clock from a 69 will not fit the 72 it must come from a 70-72.
 As for the windshield trim, 68-72 are the same. there were a lot of cosmetic
changes from the 68-69 era to the 70-72 era so  very little trim or
sheetmetal wll interchange.



Everett     Antiqolds@aol.com

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:10:04 -0400
Subject: New Repro Shifter Lens has arrived

Hey Gang,

        I just got the first repro of the shifter lens for the 70-72 auto
console in today. Looks really nice. There are some changes we are making to
make it as correct as possible. Just to give a brief discription of the part:

        1) Part fits console panel real well
        2) Letters are EXACT as original
        3) Repro doesn't have the silver foil piece, it's silver plastic
that looks             extremely close to the foil. (should wear better)
        4) This part will fit, function, look , and wear better than any
original and the             inside of the letters that are usually missing
won't happen. (i.e. the middle             of the D.)

        We are getting some more made as we speak. For all those who have
expressed an interest in more than one and want to evaluate on of these are
encouraged to send $24.00 plus $1.50 shipping to:

Jim Chermack
1132 Chatmoss Drive
Virginia Beach, VA 23464


        P.S. One of the individuals on this list has seen it already, so if
you want to personally ask him what he thinks of this piece, his name and
e-amail address are:
Mark Heiser
MPHeiser@aol.com

Thanks,

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:11:25 -0400
Subject: Re: newbie Cutlass Ciera question

In a message dated 97-03-11 15:06:04 EST, you write:

> Would it be fair to assume that the 3 speed automatic is 'stronger' then
the 4
>  speed auto due to the amount of parts stuffed into the same case size of
the
>  odtrans case as the 3 speed thus making the parts (clutches etc) smaller
in
>  the od trans? Speculation, on my part.
>

I can't say that the 3 speed would be more reliable because of the reduced
number of parts (which makes sense), but I can tell you that the OD units are
the same as the ones installed in the big cars, which are extremely
trouble-prone in the '85 to '90 era.  It's strange though that these units
can disintigrate in a big car, but seem to hold up better in the Cieras.
 Still, my parents had the OD unit in their '88 Ciera replaced with a SERTA
unit right before the warranty ran out.  Among other things, these 4speeds
are particularly well known for their "double clunk" into reverse.  I think
you should be glad you have the 3 speed.

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:11:49 -0400
Subject: 3300

In a message dated 97-03-11 14:18:08 EST, you write:

> What was the last year for the 3.3?

Had one in my '92 Achieva.  I'm thinking '93?

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:11:52 -0400
Subject: Re: 67 parking lights

In a message dated 97-03-11 15:55:47 EST, you write:

> But then the bulbs'll burn out faster, right?  I'll have to replace 'em
>  more often than every 25 years -- whoops, sorry, that New England, uhh,
>  'thriftyness' is ingrained :)

Not only that, but they'll use more electicity, which means the engine will
have to work harder to turn the alternator to keep the battery charged, which
will result in reduced fuel economy and increased emissions!

(I read that once about Daytime Running Lights and don't believe a word of
it)

Paul

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From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:15:05 -0400
Subject: Re: newbie Cutlass Ciera question

In a message dated 97-03-11 13:50:42 EST, you write:

> I think
>  they came in charcoal gray and black, too.  They have a stripe that runs
>  around the bodyside molding, starts out red at the front and ends orange
at
>  the back, or something like that.  I remember the gray one being
> particularly
>  unattractive.

In relation to my earlier post.  I was looking out the window at work today
(goofing off in the break room) and there was an XC sedan sitting at the red
light outside.  It was a gray one.  I was wrong about the stripe.  They starr
orange in the front and fade to red at the back.  Color change takes place
approx. 1/2 way into the front doors.  I remembered right, this gray one was
unattractive.  And it had whitewalls!  Looked kinda like a circus wagon.

Paul

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:33:11 -0400
Subject: Re: 4-4-2 Numerals

Mike
  Sorry to see the problem you had with your "442" emblems, If they were
licensed products from GM   "shame on them". Did you get the problem fixed?
  I have complete NOS unmits available if you are still in need let me know

Everett Horton              E&G Automotive
Antiqolds@aol.com       P.O. Box 16095
                                   Rumford, R.I. 02916

  "Vintage & Antique Olds NOS Parts"

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