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oldsmobile-digest         Friday, 21 February 1997      Volume 01 : Number 528

RE: Pronouncing 442
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: Early V8s
Re: Fuel Injection
more engine questions
Re: Oldsmobile USA Parts Supply
Re: RadioShack equipment...
Re: Oldsmobile USA Parts Supply
Re:
Re: Latest Car & Driver
Re: more engine questions
Re: Conv. Top Adjustment
Re: Early V8s
Re: more engine questions
Re: Conv. Top Adjustment
Re: HEI Headaches... -still -Reply
re: drink holders
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: more engine questions
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: Early V8s
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: RadioShack equipment...
Re: HEI Headaches... -still
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: more engine questions
IRC: #oldsmobile   Welcome
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: 4 spd back up light switch
Some 442 ?s
RE: HEI Headaches... -still
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: Early V8s
Re: Conv. Top Adjustment
Parts for sale
Aftermarket wheels
Pron. 442  and dashes
Re: HEI Headaches... -still -Reply
Re: more engine questions
Re: Squeak! Squeak! Squeak!....
Re: Pronouncing 442
Re: Some 442 ?s
Re: Aftermarket wheels
Olds 403
exhaust again
Re: Some 442 ?s
Re:
Re: Pron. 442  and dashes
Re: Olds 403
Re: Pronouncing 442

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:50:25 -0400
Subject: RE: Pronouncing 442

At 12:38 PM 2/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Remember the good old days when we calmly discussed the effects of
>"water-wetter" and whether high oil pressure could wear out bearings ???
>
>Digest Frank Boerger//Tallahassee/FL
>
>
Of course it makes on wonder, if high oil pressure would wear bearings out
faster than no oil pressure; in which case it matters not if you have wetter
water in your radiator.

Anon. I

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:50:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

Tired Of the 442 debate?  How about change it to " Is it a Delta eighty
eight, eight eight, or 8-8 ?"  I know one thing mine has ate lots of
recycled Dinosaur's

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:49:45 -0400
Subject: Re: Early V8s

Lot-asnips>

>> Did the Cadillac use fork and spade connecting rods?

Kevin Wong has a reference that Cadillac did use them, in their first V8.


>> What V8 was the first successful one to use a one piece block casting?
>
>I believe that Ford was first.

This is interesting because Ford gives reference to itself as the first to
use a mono-clock casting in a 'lower priced' V8!

This would SEEM to indicate that someone else, in a more expensive engine,
used one.
>>

>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>

Thanks Bill,

I'm going to look under the hood of my Viking and see what IT has.  Also,
the Oakland V8 ca. 1929 might be one too.

Wiz

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 23:51:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Fuel Injection

> Has anyone retrofitted a Holley TBI or other fuel injection system on their
> Olds BB or SB? If so, are you happy with the result and can you provide
> detail on the conversion?
>
	Just as a note to everybody who is toying with the idea of an FI
retrofit, you might want to try and get ahold of some of the guys on the
DIY Fuel Injection list.  I found their web-page a while back doing a
search on Fuel Injection, and I'd be willing to bet that there is a guru
in there somewhere that would have some ansewers on just how to go about
this sort of thing.  Hope this helps...

				Scott
			1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: sguiller@stumail.engr.udayton.edu
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 19:13:03 -0400
Subject: more engine questions

Are the 350 and the 400 used in late 60's Buicks (in particular '69) a
Buick/Olds/Pontiac motor?  I know it differs from the Chevy engine.
What about the 455 big block used in Buick (like the Stage I's, GS's
etc.)?  Was it the same motor Olds used as well?
I noticed the intakes on the 350's are pretty wide -- will it accept
the 400 or 455 intake?

If you guys can come up with a week's worth of insight on
"pronouncing 4-4-2," somebody out there should be able to respond to
this!!!
        Thanks
                  Shaun R. Guillermin
 '65 Starfire
 '65 T - Bird
Shaun R. Guillermin

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From: "Jason Labay" <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 03:05:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile USA Parts Supply

Paul, I purchased paint to do the engine in my 75 H/O from them and the
turnaround was quick, I ordered on  a Monday and had the stuff by the end
of the week

Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
93 Z/28...patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2
80 Olds 442 W-30...show car
75 Hurst/Olds....restoration project


- ----------
>
> Hey Folks,
>
> I'm looking for people who've had dealings with USA P.S. to tell me what
> they're really like.  So far I'm not impressed.  I had been thinking about
> requesting one of their catalogs for the last couple of months.  When I
saw
> here that they have a web page, I checked it out.  They allow you to
order a
> catalog right from their site.  I received a confirmation that my catalog
> request was received, but that was three weeks ago.  Are they always this
> slow?  Wondering what their service is like otherwise.  I need quite a few
> things to get the Ninety Eight road-ready for Lansing and this is the
company
> I had planned to purchase a majority of my parts from.  What do you think?
>
> Paul
>
>

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:14:06 -0400
Subject: Re: RadioShack equipment...

Mike Frederick wrote:

	<snip>

>
> > Sorry if I hurt your feelings, Dan
>
> Don't know about that but there probably pretty pissed off in Ft Worth
> about now.
>
>     66 Toro
> The /\   /\ and Mike
>

Mike,

>From what I've seen of the weather, "pissed off" is nothing compared to
the rain that has just drowned the whole state.  They will probably
never know it happened in poor Ft. Worth.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 00:33:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile USA Parts Supply

At 03:05 AM 2/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Paul, I purchased paint to do the engine in my 75 H/O from them and the
>turnaround was quick, I ordered on  a Monday and had the stuff by the end
>of the week
>
>Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com)
>93 Z/28...patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2
>80 Olds 442 W-30...show car
>75 Hurst/Olds....restoration project
>
>
>----------
>>
>> Hey Folks,
>>
>> I'm looking for people who've had dealings with USA P.S. to tell me what
>> they're really like.  So far I'm not impressed.  I had been thinking about
>> requesting one of their catalogs for the last couple of months.  When I
>saw
>> here that they have a web page, I checked it out.  They allow you to
>order a
>> catalog right from their site.  I received a confirmation that my catalog
>> request was received, but that was three weeks ago.  Are they always this
>> slow?  Wondering what their service is like otherwise.  I need quite a few
>> things to get the Ninety Eight road-ready for Lansing and this is the
>company
>> I had planned to purchase a majority of my parts from.  What do you think?
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
Guys

        I've dealt with them alot when i restored my 67 Toro. Fusick and
these guys are about the only two that have parts for them. The one thing I
needed was the turn signal switch for a tilt/tele. They had the last 6 known
to exist for the Toro. Cost me darn near $200.00 but I had to have it.
Service for me was outstanding. It probably helps living in Virginia.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 00:37:19 -0400
Subject: Re:

At 11:44 PM 2/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
Anyone know any information on premature oil-burning on 87 Olds 307s?  Any
easy
cures?
Pat


Pat

        Want to cure the oil burning? Most of the time the valve stem seals
have cracked or are gone completely. For $12-15 at you local auto parts
store should have them. If you have an air compressor and a piston air set,
a valve spring compressor, you can do this in a day. It's not real hard at
all.

Hope this helps.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:35:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Latest Car & Driver

PHartlieb@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-02-20 02:20:04 EST, you write:
>
> > They also describe the current 3.4 DOHC
> >  V-6 (the "Twin Dual Cam") as "unsuccessful" without describing why. I
	<snip>

  And as far as I'm concerned, there is little
> noticable difference in acceleration (don't know about top speed).  I drove
a > Z-34 and was extremely disappointed witht the responsiveness compared to
the > 3.1 equipped LS.  If you're after "bang for the buck", I think the 3.1 >
equipped cars come out ahead.  The 3.4 didn't impress me enough to want to >
spend another 2 grand. >

>
> Paul


I have driven a 3.4 liter Cutlass convertible & I am not impressed
either.  I own a 2.5 liter turbocharged Chrysler convertible & saw
little difference in performance between the two.  Something isn't right
in this equasion.  Isn't the 3.4 supposed to be 210-215 hp?  Some of
those horses are out to lunch.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 00:42:58 -0400
Subject: Re: more engine questions

At 07:13 PM 2/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Are the 350 and the 400 used in late 60's Buicks (in particular '69) a
>Buick/Olds/Pontiac motor?  I know it differs from the Chevy engine.
>What about the 455 big block used in Buick (like the Stage I's, GS's
>etc.)?  Was it the same motor Olds used as well?
>I noticed the intakes on the 350's are pretty wide -- will it accept
>the 400 or 455 intake?
>
>If you guys can come up with a week's worth of insight on
>"pronouncing 4-4-2," somebody out there should be able to respond to
>this!!!
>        Thanks
>                  Shaun R. Guillermin
> '65 Starfire
> '65 T - Bird
>Shaun R. Guillermin


Shaun

        All the different makes of General Motors back then had their own
design of a V-8 engine. The sizes were exact or simular but parts
interchangability is NIL.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:45:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Conv. Top Adjustment

sguiller@stumail.engr.udayton.edu wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
>
>       Maybe I can help with the hinges.  Open the door -- does it drop
slightly > when it clears the sill? Or does it not line up when closed?  If it
drags or drops when > opened, take hold of the rear end of the door near the
handle and try > to raise it.  On an exteremely good car, you should be able
to rock > the entire car without seeing any up and down movement in the door. >
However, if the hinge pins are worn in the doors, you will encounter > some
play -- half an inch to inch is bad, but less than that is > probably okay for
an older car.  If you suspect the pins, many > catalogs offer repair kits that
allow you to remove the hinge from > the car, drill the holes larger, and
install a larger pin or a pin > with bushings to take up the slack.

	<snip>

>
>              Shaun R. Guillermin
>

Shaun,

GM offers an oversize bushing for hinges that are worn through the
bushing & into the hinge metal.  They are pretty cheap & fix the car
w/out replacing hinges.  There should be almost no movement when lifting
the door handle end of the door against the hinges.

The replacement job isn't hard, but does require door removal.  You'll
need the help of a friend here & plenty of masking tape on the door &
fender edge to avoid chipping paint.

Alignment isn't too bad but can be time consuming.  Try marking the
hinges w/a scribe or magic marker around their circumference so as to
get them back on at the factory location.  If you dont' want the marks,
drill a 1/16" hole through the hinges & into the door before loosening
anything for later alignment w/a 1/16" drill.  No one will notice this
"factory" looking hole later.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:51:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Early V8s

C.R.F. wrote:
>
>
> >> What V8 was the first successful one to use a one piece block casting?
> >
> >I believe that Ford was first.
>
> This is interesting because Ford gives reference to itself as the first to
> use a mono-clock casting in a 'lower priced' V8!
>
> This would SEEM to indicate that someone else, in a more expensive engine,
> used one.
> >>
>
> >
> >Bill Culp
> >Decatur, Alabama
> >
>
> Thanks Bill,
>
> I'm going to look under the hood of my Viking and see what IT has.  Also,
> the Oakland V8 ca. 1929 might be one too.
>
> Wiz

Wiz,

I won't swear to it, but I believe that this was the secret to Ford's V8
- - monoblock construction.  Everyone else had separate - read labor
intensive - parts to assemble.  Ford of course had to do it cheaply.  It
turned out to be the best way too.  This is much like Chevy's answer to
rocker arms on the V8 compared to Ford's rocker shafts.  We all know
which way the industry went on this.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:55:43 -0400
Subject: Re: more engine questions

sguiller@stumail.engr.udayton.edu wrote:
>
> Are the 350 and the 400 used in late 60's Buicks (in particular '69) a
> Buick/Olds/Pontiac motor?  I know it differs from the Chevy engine.
> What about the 455 big block used in Buick (like the Stage I's, GS's
> etc.)?  Was it the same motor Olds used as well?
> I noticed the intakes on the 350's are pretty wide -- will it accept
> the 400 or 455 intake?
>
>         Thanks
>                   Shaun R. Guillermin
>
Shaun,

Buick, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Cadillac, & What's it's name all proudly
built their own engines.  Virtually nothing but the gas, oil, &
antifreeze were interchangeable.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 00:59:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Conv. Top Adjustment

At 06:13 PM 2/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Chris,
>
>
>      Maybe I can help with the hinges.  Open the door -- does it drop
slightly
>when it clears the sill? Or does it not line up when closed?  If it drags
or drops when
>opened, take hold of the rear end of the door near the handle and try
>to raise it.  On an exteremely good car, you should be able to rock
>the entire car without seeing any up and down movement in the door.
>However, if the hinge pins are worn in the doors, you will encounter
>some play -- half an inch to inch is bad, but less than that is
>probably okay for an older car.


The passenger side door on my '75 Delta 88 convertible sagged when I first
got the car.  It was low enough that the top left corner of the window (as
you look at it facing the door from the outside) would strike the rubber
molding on the rear window if that window was up when the door was being
closed.  Very unseemly!  I decided to take a crack at loosening the hinges
and adjusting the door.

The hardest part was getting a wrench on the bolts, because they're behind
the hinge and very difficulty to reach.  I know that the shops use an
L-shaped wrench to get at them, so I made my own.  I took a cheap-o 1/2"
box end wrench and bent it in the vice in two places (finally--a use for
those India-made tools--I doubt that a Craftsman would have bent so
readily) so it was shaped like a chair with the back legs missing, if you
know what I mean, and it fit fine.

I had read some about how trying to adjust a door can be tricky and how you
can end up making it worse than it was, but I was successful.  The door can
be _very_ heavy, so you've got to support it before you start loosening
things, or it will sag on you as you loosen it and might damage a hinge or
itself.  I used my hydraulic floor jack with some rubber padding on the
jack tip to pad the door and not scratch it.  Then I snugged it up under
the open door and began loosening.  When the hinges were loose enough to
move, I started pumping on the jack to raise the door.  One thing I found
is that, to get the right angle on it, I had to keep the door almost closed
when I was using the jack, otherwise the door wouldn't go up right.  Then
I'd have to slide the door open enough to get at the bolts and tighten
them.  Then I'd remove the jack and check the alignment again.  I had to
iterate about half-a-dozen times (snug jack under door, loosen bolts, close
door almost all the way, pump jack a bit, open door a bit, tighten bolts,
remove jack and check alignment), but I finally got it just right, and it
really made a difference.  That was about three years ago now, and I've not
had problems since.




************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:35:54 -0400
Subject: Re: HEI Headaches... -still -Reply

Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:
>
> >>> Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com> 02/20/97 08:39pm >>>
> Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:
> >> because the wire gets hot as soon as I turn the key on.
>
> >Ah!  A clue.  If you hooked 12V from the battery with the rest of the car
> >OFF and it still gets hot, the problem is internal to the HEI.  In  other
> >words, if you janked the HEI and hooked it and the battery up on  the
> >kitchen table and it STILL gets hot, the wiring harness is NOT the
> >problem.
>
> Oh thank goodness!  Someone finally understands what I was trying to say!
> =)
>
> >Even if you have changed the module, I think there are still a few other
> >components in there that may be causing the problem, either directly or
> >indirectly by screwing over the module.
>
> The control module, pick-up module, cap, and rotor are all brand-spankin
> new.  The only thing that's not new is the coil...  Therefore, via "process
of > elimination", I conclude that the coil must be the problem.  Mike? > >
-Blaine


I talked to a friend of mine who is a mechanic. He seems to feel that
there is an internal short in the coil itself. Just my $.02

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

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From: "Brandon & Gilbert Russell" <russellg@dmv.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:36:35 -0400
Subject: re: drink holders

Tom
	Sounds like to me the folks at GM knew you weren't supposed to drink 
and
drive<g>.   I wondered the same thing after going through last summer with
my drink in my lap.  This is what I did, I took the center console
compartment and Fitted the bottom with layered 1" black foam rubber about
half way(3"-4" ),and cut two holes in it for drink cups.  This allows you
to close the  lid when you don't have a drink. There was enough room left
over to cut slots in the foam to hold 2 cassettes ( I record a new cassette
every week just for the car and keep my special driving tape when I want to
pump up the subs in the trunk on the other).  I had a few coffee spillovers
and all I had to do was pull out the foam and rinse it squeeze it dry and
stick it back in.  When you do have a drink in the holder, provided you not
the type of driver that has a gangster lean on the console there is no
problem.  The only other thing in my opinion that the compartment was good
for was holding a few more cassette tapes.  Besides the glove box has more
than enough room to hold things.




From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 04:20:10 -0400
Subject: Drink holders

     Okay, this may sound like a silly question, but has anyone found a
     good place for a drink holder in a G-body cutlass w/ a center console?

      I think figuring out how to hold a drink in one of these is one of
     the great mysteries of life.  If anyone has had any success, please
     let me know where you put it, and what type you used.

     I could probably rig something up over the ashtray (I don't use it),
     but I've got this nasty mental picture of a nice sticky Coke/root
     beer/slurpee/milkshake spilling forward into the lightning rods--EEK!

     Tom Lentz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 01:59:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

At 11:50 PM 2/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Tired Of the 442 debate?  How about change it to " Is it a Delta eighty
>eight, eight eight, or 8-8 ?"  I know one thing mine has ate lots of
>recycled Dinosaur's
>
>
>
Recycled dynosaurs, please explain!

The Wiz Wonders

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 02:03:09 -0400
Subject: Re: more engine questions

At 07:13 PM 2/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Are the 350 and the 400 used in late 60's Buicks (in particular '69) a
>Buick/Olds/Pontiac motor?  I know it differs from the Chevy engine.
>What about the 455 big block used in Buick (like the Stage I's, GS's
>etc.)?  Was it the same motor Olds used as well?
>I noticed the intakes on the 350's are pretty wide -- will it accept
>the 400 or 455 intake?
>
>If you guys can come up with a week's worth of insight on
>"pronouncing 4-4-2," somebody out there should be able to respond to
>this!!!
>        Thanks
>                  Shaun R. Guillermin
> '65 Starfire
> '65 T - Bird
>Shaun R. Guillermin
>
>
Buicks '455' was all their own, as was the Chevrolet 454, as is the
Olsmobile 455.

The Olds BB intake manifold is substantialy larger than a SB, by an inch if
not two.

I can pronounce 4-4-2 too.  Four minus four minus two equals minus 2.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: Frank Gonzalez <PLPAUDIO@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 02:12:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> S T O P
>
> Chris Sparks
> 68 442

P L E A S E

Frank Gonzalez

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 02:19:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Early V8s

>Wiz,
>
>I won't swear to it, but I believe that this was the secret to Ford's V8
>- monoblock construction.  Everyone else had separate - read labor
>intensive - parts to assemble.  Ford of course had to do it cheaply.  It
>turned out to be the best way too.  This is much like Chevy's answer to
>rocker arms on the V8 compared to Ford's rocker shafts.  We all know
>which way the industry went on this.
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>
>
I agree Bill, but I always like to read between the lines to see what is
actually being said, alas poor F*rd did do it cheaply.

And the inference that the earlier edition was in a 'higher priced' model,
which occasionally allows for some additional labor.

I think that it would be interesting to study 'foundry practice' as it
relates to automobile engine design and production.  As 'foundry practice'
and co-incedentially(sp) 'pattern development' evolved, a simplifed final
product was sought, but probably at the cost of substantially more difficult
pattern, and foundry work!

I drove down to Spring Hill, Tennessee, to see the 'expanced foam' sand
casting that they gave a great deal of play too, in their annual report, a
couple of years ago.  Without calling ahead of course.  Alas Saturn did not
have plant tours.  So the trip was wasted, actually, almost wasted; as we
did see the rather stupendous 'Stagerwing Museum' at Tulahoma, Tennessee;
itself worth the trip.  For the museum portion of the trip I did call ahead
to get the particulars of their location.  The directory assistance operator
said there was no such thing.  I asked her, "why?"  And she said because
their can't be such a thing.  Then discovered the number, appologized and
gave it to me.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 17:30:14 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

>At 11:50 PM 2/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Tired Of the 442 debate?  How about change it to " Is it a Delta eighty
>>eight, eight eight, or 8-8 ?"  I know one thing mine has ate lots of
>>recycled Dinosaur's
>>
>>
>>
>Recycled dynosaurs, please explain!
>
>The Wiz Wonders

I think he means gasoline Wiz.  Fossil fuels and all that.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser

------------------------------

From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 05:09:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

>>"Four Forty Two" instead of Four- Four-Two.   Ed    Escape442@aol.com
>>
>>If I have to read one more message on this non-subject, I'm going to
>scream.  Who cares?  At least they're all discussing Olds stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!


Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaargg!!!!!!   (There, I screamed for ya...)  However, I
wouldn't go so far as to call it non subject, since the subject clearly
reads "RE:  Pronouncing 442."  They all seem to be sticking rather close to
that...  And as to the "have to read..." part?  Well, we know your curiosity
is as vivid as the rest of ours, but I doubt there's some great theological
force causing you to follow this thread..:)  It just gives you your shot at
adding your "me too" with the rest of them.  (This is my "me too"...)  Now,
if the subject said "Hot Rod makes a monstor truck 8 wheel drive Stretch
limo Olds 98 convertible powerred by four bored out auroras, blown and
nitrous fed, and the content was only a 442 pronounciation, ~then~ I might
find it necessary to complain a little...  Actually, I'd probably just laugh
and read on to see how many others get excited over it...     :)


      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: katana72@juno.com (Robert F Turner)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:55:12 -0400
Subject: Re: RadioShack equipment...

>Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:
> It's been my experience that RadioShack makes RadioSh*t.
>In most cases they buy or contract the manufacturing of the sh*t.  R/S
>doesn't really make much of anything except catalogs.
> I went in to our local RS la few months ago looking for a cheapo
> multimeter  To my disgust they didn't have anything on the shelf
>that  was less than 30  bucks (or maybe it was $20),
>The #22-221 was listed at $14.99.  I think I paid $10 for mine (on
>sale). and it looked like it would self destruct the first time you
tried
>to  test a hearing aid battery.
Mike Frederick wrote:
>Probably better than you think.  If your looking for mil spec stuff,
>you can always go to a REAL electronics store and buy a bottom line
Fluke
>10 for $69.95.
>
>> IMHO, radioshack electronics are way overpriced for what you get.

>Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
I have one of those multimeters that "looks as if it would self-
destruct" and have had it for about 5 years. The only thing I've had to
do to the meter is replace the battery that died because "some idiot"
left the dang thing on. I also have an Optimus stereo that again ages
around the 5 year mark and it works wonderfully well. Of course, I bought
both of them on sale> Radio Shack is NOT the store it use to be, but
their equipment is as good as I've found. Their prices DO leave a little
to be desired,but that's why there are places such as Best Buy or Circuit
City. However, I don't care for the car audio equipment that radio shack
carries.

Rob Turner
Katana72@Juno.com

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From: Steve Wieczorek <stevew@atsmail.gc.lucent.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:27:40 -0400
Subject: Re: HEI Headaches... -still

Blaine:

I had a problem with identical symptoms on my '70 Cutlass 350.

The problem turned out to be a ground of a wire that is connected to
the starter solenoid.  These wires become loose and ground out.

Since your problem started two months after you put in the HEI, I suspect
that you did that correctly and that what you have now is not
related to that hook up.

steve
'70 Cutlass
'83 98
At 11:39 PM 2/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Blaine Sanders 5483 wrote:
>>
>> Is the power wire coming from my alternator?
>
>Shouldn't be, no.  It should be coming from the ignition switch or you'd
>never be able to shut the motor off.
>
>> because the wire gets hot as soon as I turn the key on.
>
>Ah!  A clue.  If you hooked 12V from the battery with the rest of the car
>OFF and it still gets hot, the problem is internal to the HEI.  In
>other words, if you janked the HEI and hooked it and the battery up on
>the kitchen table and it STILL gets hot, the wiring harness is NOT the
>problem.
>
>Even if you have changed the module, I think there are still a few other
>components in there that may be causing the problem, either directly or
>indirectly by screwing over the module.
>
>    66 Toro
>The /\   /\ and Mike
>
>--
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
>
>
>
>
>
Stevew@atsmail.lucent.com
703-271-7380

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:33:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

- ----------
> From: Greg Pruett <grpruett@vt.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442
> Date: Thursday, February 20, 1997 3:30 PM
>
> >At 11:50 PM 2/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
> >Recycled dynosaurs, please explain!
> >
> >The Wiz Wonders
>
> I think he means gasoline Wiz.  Fossil fuels and all that.
>
> Greg Pruett
> `72 Vista-Cruiser
>
>Right Greg  I can just nearly see the Wiz scratching his head and
wondering how we got from 442 to dinosaurs.  Thats how silly this whole
thread has become. Lets talk about something else for a while.
Walter

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From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 20:44:10 -0400
Subject: Re: more engine questions

>Buick, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Cadillac, & What's it's name all proudly
>built their own engines.  Virtually nothing but the gas, oil, &
>antifreeze were interchangeable.
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama


YES!   I see another hot debate starting here!  What about distributor
caps, oil,air and fuel filters, some starters, alternators,
ahhh....nevermind!!

This debate could not get as fun as the four-42 one!

Tony

And the things I've heard people call my cars.....
70 fourfortytwo W-30
70 Tornado GT W-34 (misspelled on purpose)
65 Jetstar 88 (Hey guy, nice Impala there!)
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer (Pretty quick....Gotta Big Block Chevy in
there?)
92 Seville STS (What?  No northstar?)

 _/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/+++\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_


                                        Tony Waldner
tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us                   Northeast Metro 916
                                         3300 Century Ave. N.
                                         White Bear Lake, MN
                                                       55110

 \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_+++_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/_/

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From: Esko Ilola <esko.ilola@tele.fi>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:22:44 -0400
Subject: IRC: #oldsmobile   Welcome



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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:30:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

buehner wrote:
>
> Actually, I'd probably just laugh and read on to see how many others
> get excited over it...     :)

Me too.   ;)

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Brad Otto <BradOtto@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:29:59 -0400
Subject: Re: 4 spd back up light switch

At 03:30 AM 2/19/97 +0000, you wrote:
>I posted this several weeks ago right before I changed providers and was
>off the list for awhile, so I apologize if this was answered before,
>but  I still need the answer.
>
>My '69 442 convertible has a 4 speed trans.  The previous owner
>evidently had the transmission out and never bothered to replace the
>back up light switch mechanism. My service manual only talks about
>automatic trans back up light switches.  So, could someone tell me what
>this setup looks like, how it is installed and where I might find one.
>
>thanks in advance
>patrickd@wwnet.com f.k.a spencergrant
>1969 442 4speed convertible
>
The back up light switch is on top of the steering column underneath the
dashboard.   When you put the car in reverse, the steering column turns to
lock the steering wheel and this activates the switch.

Brad Otto
'69 442 4 Speed Convertible

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From: Daniel Houlton <tc75918@hpr169.mdhc.mdc.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:36:42 -0400
Subject: Some 442 ?s

Well, I found another Olds I'm interested in.  I passed up a '84 Hurst
a few months ago because it didn't have t-tops (thanks to those who
helped me with that one).  This one's an '86 442, silver on silver w/
the grey interior.

It has the posi rear.  What's the ratio for this one?  I believe it's
3.7 from what I've read here.

It has the 200-4R tranny.  I think I read that the '86 and '87 200-R4s
were built a litter tougher than previous years.  Is this true or is
there not any difference?

I know Hurst striping is near impossible to get.  Is the 442 striping
just as rare?

And finally, I'm not so sure I like the silver/silver, grey interior.
I've got an '85 Cutlas Salon with the burghandy interior that I like.
It's still in good shape even if the rest of the (MI) car is falling
apart.  How hard would it be to swap this interior in?  Seems like it'd
be relatively easy, but time consuming.  Anyone done it before?  Just
wondering if I should wait for the color I want.

Some info:

asking $4700 obo
116,000 miles  (not too concerned as I'm planning a 350 swap soon anyways)
t-tops
posi
no rear wing
15" gold trimmed 442 wheels
new AC compressor
power everything works
cruise control does not
AZ car (no rust!!!)

It's about 2hrs away, but he's gonna meet me half way this weekend for
a look-see.  Whaddya think?  Anything in particular I should look for?

thanks
- --Dan

------------------------------

From: "Etzel Bobby" <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:53:03 -0400
Subject: RE: HEI Headaches... -still

Ok I have a better understanding. You are correct, changeing the wire size
would just take longer to burn out, but not by much. You have a short to
ground in your HEI somewhere. Since it has been working it sounds like you
have it wired correct. Start by unhooking the connecters in the HEI. Try the
wire to the pick-up coil first. I have seen these pick-up coils melt and
short-out. Unhook the connector and turn the key on and see if the wire still
gets hot. Here is where a multi-meter would be nice, it would make it easy to
trace down the short. If the wire still gets hot unhook the connector to the
module. If that doesn't fix it, reconnect the connector to the module, than
remove the coil. The coil could be shorted out also. If all that fails you may
have to replace the HEI. If there are any capacitor unhook them first.

Hope this helps.


Bobby

70 442 (Escape Back to the....Past)
______________________________________________________________________________
_ From: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca on Thu, Feb 20, 1997 6:07 PM Subject: RE:
HEI Headaches... -still To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

>>> Etzel Bobby <Etzel.Bobby@mail.ndhm.gtegsc.com> 02/20/97
01:22pm >>>
>I am still not clear what you are doing here. Your alt. should be the type
>with the regulator build in. All you are doing is installing a HEI, right.

Bobby...  I installed the HEI several months ago.  It ran fine for a month or
two, and now all of a sudden I'm getting all these electrical problems.  Now,
what I did was take the wires that went to the + side of the old coil and
used them as my + lead to the HEI coil.  With the key on and the wire
disconnected from the HEI, the wire does not get hot, and it lights my 12v
test light.  But with the key on and the wire connected, the wire gets so hot
that it starts to melt... the same thing it would do if I held it to the
engine
block.  It's like when it's connected to the HEI coil, it's being grounded out
or something...  That doesn't seem right to me.  Bob said to make sure I
had a 10 gauge non-resistance wire connected to it, which I plan to do this
weekend.  But I don't think that would solve the problem.  If I touched one
end of an 18 gauge wire to the "+" terminal of a battery and the other end
to the "-" terminal, and did the same with a 10 gauge wire, the 18G wire
would melt pretty quick.  The 10G wire would take a little longer maybe, but
it would still melt.  Does this make any sense?

>To check to see if it is the alt. causeing the wire to heat up, unhook the
>wires to the alt. Tape any open contacts. The engine should start and run
>if the battery is good. If the engine does not run or the wire still gets hot
>than something else is wrong. Please explane how you hooked up the
>wires to the HEI and how the coil is hooked up. There is 2 wires to one
>side of the coil and one wire from the coil to the dist. in a non HEI setup.
>did you change any of this.

Man, I'm confused.  My engine compartment wiring is kind of a mess.  The
previous owner took that black tubing off and wrapped everything up in
electrical tape (scary, huh?).  Is the power wire coming from my alternator?
Why do I need to check the alt. wiring?  I don't think the alt. is causing the
wire to heat up, because the wire gets hot as soon as I turn the key on.  I
don't have to crank the engine to get the wire hot.  But like I said before,
I'm kind of ignorant to workings of the electrical system.

I'm open to any suggestions, and I'll even do that alternator check if you
really think I need to.

Thanks,
- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme



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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 03:42:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

C.R.F. wrote:
>
> At 11:50 PM 2/20/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Tired Of the 442 debate?  How about change it to " Is it a Delta eighty
> >eight, eight eight, or 8-8 ?"  I know one thing mine has ate lots of
> >recycled Dinosaur's
> >
> >
> >
> Recycled dynosaurs, please explain!
>
> The Wiz Wonders

Wiz,

My guess is that we are talking about oil/gas.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 04:02:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Early V8s

C.R.F. wrote:
>
> >
> >
> I agree Bill, but I always like to read between the lines to see what is
> actually being said, alas poor F*rd did do it cheaply.

Everyone bemoaned the loss of the Classic Lincoln KBs & KAs as opposed
to the Zephyrs, Packard Customs as opposed to the Clippers, the Cadillac
V16s as opposed to the OHV V8s, wood body construction as opposed to
steel, 110" wheelbases as opposed to 140" ones, computer controlled
systems as opposed to mechanical, etc.  One factor in each change was
cost (read cheap).  Who would buy the older expensive types if they were
available today?  I believe that lower cost & better quality &
performance can be achieved at the same time.  This has been proven over
& over.  Cheaper has shown itself to be a benefit of quality thinking
repeatedly.  It may have even been a major cause of the disappearance of
slavery.
>
> And the inference that the earlier edition was in a 'higher priced' model,
> which occasionally allows for some additional labor.
>
> I think that it would be interesting to study 'foundry practice' as it
> relates to automobile engine design and production.  As 'foundry practice'
> and co-incedentially(sp) 'pattern development' evolved, a simplifed final
> product was sought, but probably at the cost of substantially more difficult
> pattern, and foundry work!
>
> I drove down to Spring Hill, Tennessee, to see the 'expanced foam' sand
> casting that they gave a great deal of play too, in their annual report, a
> couple of years ago.  Without calling ahead of course.  Alas Saturn did not
> have plant tours.

I know that GM is very proud of Saturn, but the whole thing doesn't
impress me yet.  Possibly if I saw the processes there of envisioning
constructing cars, I might change my mind.  The cars are not superior to
anything of which I know.  Judging things by what they produce rather
than what they talk about has always been my system.

  So the trip was wasted, actually, almost wasted; as we
> did see the rather stupendous 'Stagerwing Museum' at Tulahoma, Tennessee;
> itself worth the trip.  For the museum portion of the trip I did call ahead
> to get the particulars of their location.  The directory assistance operator
> said there was no such thing.  I asked her, "why?"  And she said because
> their can't be such a thing.  Then discovered the number, appologized and
> gave it to me.

At least she didn't pretend that she was right.  I'll have to visit that
place.  It sounds interesting.

> The Wiz

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: dedarnell@electro-matic.com
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:53:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Conv. Top Adjustment

Have fun with the hinges.  Replacing the pins isn't to bad, but putting the
door back on and lining it up is a pretty good trick.  If you do take the
hinges off, mark the body and door with the position of the hinges now, so
when you put the door back on, you have some place to start.  You will need
at least one buddy (preferably two) to help do this, and lots of patience.

Good luck,
Dave.



>From: sguiller@stumail.engr.udayton.edu
>Date: Thu, 20 Feb 1997 18:13:55 -0400
>Subject: Re: Conv. Top Adjustment

>Chris,


      Maybe I can help with the hinges.  Open the door -- does it drop
slightly when it >clears the sill? Or does it not line up when closed?  If
it drags or drops when
>opened, take hold of the rear end of the door near the handle and try
>to raise it.  On an exteremely good car, you should be able to rock
the entire car without seeing any up and down movement in the door.
However, if the hinge pins are worn in the doors, you will encounter
some play -- half an inch to inch is bad, but less than that is
probably okay for an older car.  If you suspect the pins, many
catalogs offer repair kits that allow you to remove the hinge from
the car, drill the holes larger, and install a larger pin or a pin
with bushings to take up the slack.  i'm about to do the same thing
on my '73 Cougar ragtop.  But, if you think they're fine, you can
adjust the door striker on the body (raise or lower it) by loosening
the bolts and using a trial and error process of adjusting it until
the door lines align to your satisfaction.
Hope this helps.

             Shaun R. Guillermin
 '65 Starfire
 '65 T-Bird coupe
Shaun R. Guillermin

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From: "JOHN L. BERENYI" <berenyi@texas.dseg.ti.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:29:55 -0400
Subject: Parts for sale

Mondello cam NIB #JM16/18H.........$50

66 442 wheel well moulding..........$25

69 442 4 spoke aluminum sport steering wheel......$95

John  (berenyi@texas.dseg.ti.com)

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From: "Craig J. Smith" <craigs@dancris.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:49:47 -0400
Subject: Aftermarket wheels

Does anyone know of any companies that make after-market wheels.  I've
been looking around the junkyards for Superstock I rims with no success
and was wondering if there are any alternatives.  Thanks

Craig Smith
68 442

------------------------------

From: Frank Boerger <FBoerger@compuserve.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 09:17:03 -0400
Subject: Pron. 442  and dashes

In a message dated 97-02-20 17:39:37 EST, you write:

>>Remember the good old days when we calmly discussed the effects of
>>"water-wetter" and whether high oil pressure could wear out bearings >???
>>
>>Digest Frank Boerger//Tallahassee/FL


>Frank,  I would like to angrily debate "wetter water" with you,  however,
I
>first need to know what the hell that is. ~( : 3 )  What is it's formula?
H2
>(OOOO)?

Water-wetter is a wetting agent that alledges to improve the ability of
water and/or water-based coolants to transfer heat.  We had a rather
lively, somewhat humorous, and mostly interesting debate on this subject a
few months ago.  Check out the archived digests if you're interested.

Hey, I don't care how anyone pronounces the name of the thing they own.
But I know that a popular design in the 60's where the front seats were
buckets, and it was a stretch to say there were two more in the back was
normally referred to as a "2+2", and not a "Twenty-two".  But hey !
Tomato/tomahto/Tornado (Olds related, heh Mike F.??)

Ed: did you say you had a copy of an article on a dash metal replacement in
an a-body ? I'm ready to tackle this job next.  Four weeks with my new Mig
welder, and two quarter panels and a wheel house later, I'm CONFIDENT !!


Digest Frank//Tallahassee//FL

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 13:34:33 -0400
Subject: Re: HEI Headaches... -still -Reply

Shang wrote:
>
> I talked to a friend of mine who is a mechanic. He seems to feel that
> there is an internal short in the coil itself. Just my $.02

Very possible.  Some of the winding could be shorted together decreasing
the resistance of the coil thereby increasing the load on the HEI.
Disconnect the coil and see if it STILL get's hot. (but don't forget that
a defective coil could already have screwed the electronics).

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@cadvansys.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:04:40 -0400
Subject: Re: more engine questions

Lloyd Culp wrote:
>
> sguiller@stumail.engr.udayton.edu wrote:
> >
> > Are the 350 and the 400 used in late 60's Buicks (in particular '69) a
> > Buick/Olds/Pontiac motor?  I know it differs from the Chevy engine.
> > What about the 455 big block used in Buick (like the Stage I's, GS's
> > etc.)?  Was it the same motor Olds used as well?
> > I noticed the intakes on the 350's are pretty wide -- will it accept
> > the 400 or 455 intake?
> >
> >         Thanks
> >                   Shaun R. Guillermin
> >
> Shaun,
>
> Buick, Pontiac, Oldsmobile, Cadillac, & What's it's name all proudly
> built their own engines.  Virtually nothing but the gas, oil, &
> antifreeze were interchangeable.
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama


Shaun,
	Is the same true for the late 70's? ('79)  Didn't Olds use Pontiac &
Buick motors when their plant burned down?

						Gerald Hughes
						79 Hurst/Olds

------------------------------

From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 10:56:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Squeak! Squeak! Squeak!....

On Feb 20,  8:10am, Timothy A. Churchill wrote:
> Subject: Re: Squeak! Squeak! Squeak!....
> > 	Does anyone have a cure to stop the air conditioning compressor
> > from continually squeaking when the engine is running?  The belt is new
> > and I cleaned the pulleys and the belt is not overtightened.  Is there a
> > lube techinique to quiet down the clutch assembly on the compressor. I
> > don't want to remove the belt because then the clutch would eventually
rust > > and lock up.  The squeak is very noticable especially at idle when
the > > defroster is on.  You can here the clutch assembly kicking in and out
to keep > > it from rusting tight during the winter. >

	Tim,
		You might want to check out your pulley alignment, a slight
mis-alignment even with a new belt will make noise.
                                                       ___  ___
                                              /     /    / /  /
                                             / __  /  --/ /  /
       Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick /_/ /_/ ___/ /__/ Red

             (MCORNEA@pt8244.pto.ford.com)




> Tim,
>
> I'm not sure how to quiet the compressor clutch ass'y if that is what's
> causing the mousetalk; but even a new belt and cleaned pulleys can sometimes
> make some noise.
>
> As a quick fix, you could take a crayon and hold it against the side of the
> offending belt while the engine is running.  Sometimes this will quiet a
belt.
>
> FWIW...
>
>
>
> (Another) Tim Churchill
> -------------
> '67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
> '89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
> '91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
>
>-- End of excerpt from Timothy A. Churchill

------------------------------

From: Bim Lodivinci <jev114@psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:21:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

I got an idea let's all get on the IRC #oldsmobile and BS the day away
about the correct pronunciation of FOUR FOUR TWO! i'll be waiting.

Jeff

------------------------------

From: Bill Gochenour <billg@stjohns.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:28:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Some 442 ?s

Daniel Houlton wrote:
>
> Well, I found another Olds I'm interested in.  I passed up a '84 Hurst
> a few months ago because it didn't have t-tops (thanks to those who
> helped me with that one).  This one's an '86 442, silver on silver w/
> the grey interior.
>
> It has the posi rear.  What's the ratio for this one?  I believe it's
> 3.7 from what I've read here.
>
> It has the 200-4R tranny.  I think I read that the '86 and '87 200-R4s
> were built a litter tougher than previous years.  Is this true or is
> there not any difference?
>
> I know Hurst striping is near impossible to get.  Is the 442 striping
> just as rare?
>
> And finally, I'm not so sure I like the silver/silver, grey interior.
> I've got an '85 Cutlas Salon with the burghandy interior that I like.
> It's still in good shape even if the rest of the (MI) car is falling
> apart.  How hard would it be to swap this interior in?  Seems like it'd
> be relatively easy, but time consuming.  Anyone done it before?  Just
> wondering if I should wait for the color I want.
>
> Some info:
>
> asking $4700 obo
> 116,000 miles  (not too concerned as I'm planning a 350 swap soon anyways)
> t-tops
> posi
> no rear wing
> 15" gold trimmed 442 wheels
> new AC compressor
> power everything works
> cruise control does not
> AZ car (no rust!!!)
>
> It's about 2hrs away, but he's gonna meet me half way this weekend for
> a look-see.  Whaddya think?  Anything in particular I should look for?
>
> thanks
> --Dan

Having both of those cars that your thinking about buying, the H/O would
be the more rare one of the two. The 442 has a less flashy look to it,
around here you don't see many silver/gray combos. Even more rare is the
white/gray scheme. The gray interior is the way to go.
As far as T-tops go, if it's going to be outside or if you ever plan on
washing it, be prepared to change all the weather stripping and gaskets.
I have the 83 H/O 15th Anniversary Edition, less than 10,000 original
miles, never outside, replaced once !
Stripes are tough to find, but there out there. Price is the problem !
Whichever you get take care of it, they aren't made like that anymore.

- --

Bill !

                                              _           _       ___
1986 442 "The Perfect 10"                   /  |        /  |    /  _  \
1983 Hurst/Olds 15th Anniversary Edition  /    |      /    |   |_|   | |
1993 Chevrolet Lumina Z-34              /  / | |_   /  / | |_      /  /
1992 Lincoln LSC Special Edition       |_____   _| |_____   _|   /  /__
             (sorry wasn't thinking)          |_|         |_|  |_______|

1997 Master Craft ProStar 205 Competition Ski boat
                              (w/LT-1 Vette Motor !)

     Visit http://yogi-bear.stjohns.edu/~toychest     (updated 2/12/97)

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From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:26:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Aftermarket wheels

On Feb 21, 10:49am, Craig J. Smith wrote:
> Subject: Aftermarket wheels
> Does anyone know of any companies that make after-market wheels.  I've
> been looking around the junkyards for Superstock I rims with no success
> and was wondering if there are any alternatives.  Thanks
>
> Craig Smith
> 68 442
>
>-- End of excerpt from Craig J. Smith


	Craig,
		I had a set of Superstock I's made for my '70 from "SPECILTY
WHEELS" in Oregon, and they look real nice.

                                                       ___  ___
                                              /     /    / /  /
                                             / __  /  --/ /  /
       Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick /_/ /_/ ___/ /__/ Red

             (MCORNEA@pt8244.pto.ford.com)

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From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@cadvansys.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:30:13 -0400
Subject: Olds 403

I have an Olds 403 engine That I want to get ride of!!! If anyone is
intrested please email me!!! It got every thing block, heads, crank,
rods, pistons, manifold, everything a stock 403 came with!!!!!
How much would this engine be worth running and not running?  How much
would be considered a good price if one was to buy it to rebuild.

Also,  Is this a good motor to rebuild for performance?  What kind of
other block components are compatible?  What kind of transmission will
bolt up to it?

Has anyone seen a 403 run an Olds into the 12's?

						Gerald Hughes
						79 Hurst/Olds

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From: nmichelli@acl.nyit.edu
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:48:26 -0400
Subject: exhaust again

from what i have heard the flowmasters are too loud i was wondering if anyone
knew anything about the thrush turbo muffelers or the summit performance
muffs...i know they say they can add at least 21 horses but i was wondering
about sound as well...

85 Delta 88
V6 231 3.8L Rwd
2 door, Royale

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 11:19:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Some 442 ?s

I don't know much about the 442 version of the G bodies, so take my advice
with a grain of salt :-)

First off, my impression is he's asking too much.  Try to talk him down at
least a grand!  I didn't know they made 442's in '86, I thought only in
'87.  I really don't know though.  Oh, and on the striping, my friend was
given some leftover striping from one of the local dealers (he's still
contemplating putting it on his car) so maybe its stil available.
Finally, I wouldn't invest close to 5 grand in a car that your not sure
you completely like (interior etc.) with that many miles.

Things to look for,
rust on bottom of doors,
really dry crackly seat back on on rear seat.
look for any damage on the corners of the dash
rust in rear bumper

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwpw11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

On Fri, 21 Feb 1997, Daniel Houlton wrote:

> Well, I found another Olds I'm interested in.  I passed up a '84 Hurst
> a few months ago because it didn't have t-tops (thanks to those who
> helped me with that one).  This one's an '86 442, silver on silver w/
> the grey interior.
>
> It has the posi rear.  What's the ratio for this one?  I believe it's
> 3.7 from what I've read here.
>
> It has the 200-4R tranny.  I think I read that the '86 and '87 200-R4s
> were built a litter tougher than previous years.  Is this true or is
> there not any difference?
>
> I know Hurst striping is near impossible to get.  Is the 442 striping
> just as rare?
>
> And finally, I'm not so sure I like the silver/silver, grey interior.
> I've got an '85 Cutlas Salon with the burghandy interior that I like.
> It's still in good shape even if the rest of the (MI) car is falling
> apart.  How hard would it be to swap this interior in?  Seems like it'd
> be relatively easy, but time consuming.  Anyone done it before?  Just
> wondering if I should wait for the color I want.
>
> Some info:
>
> asking $4700 obo
> 116,000 miles  (not too concerned as I'm planning a 350 swap soon anyways)
> t-tops
> posi
> no rear wing
> 15" gold trimmed 442 wheels
> new AC compressor
> power everything works
> cruise control does not
> AZ car (no rust!!!)
>
> It's about 2hrs away, but he's gonna meet me half way this weekend for
> a look-see.  Whaddya think?  Anything in particular I should look for?
>
> thanks
> --Dan
>
>

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From: "JOSEPH_W. BARKER" <BARKERJO@mailserv1.ferris.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:01:44 -0400
Subject: Re:

> Date sent:      Thu, 20 Feb 1997 21:21:28 -0400
> From:           prlmteed@idcnet.com
> To:             oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Send reply to:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

> I need information on the differences between 87 307"Y"s and 307"9"s?
>
>The 307 Y is approx 150 horse standard engine in Olds

 The 307 9 is approx 180 horse high output optional motor found in
442's and Hursts mainly

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From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 15:11:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Pron. 442  and dashes

Frank Boerger wrote:
>
> But hey !  Tomato/tomahto/Tornado (Olds related, heh Mike F.??)

Works for me.

    Six-Six Toro
The /\        /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

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From: "JOSEPH_W. BARKER" <BARKERJO@mailserv1.ferris.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:08:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds 403

What year is your 403?  And what did it originally come out of?


> I have an Olds 403 engine That I want to get ride of!!! If anyone is
> intrested please email me!!! It got every thing block, heads, crank,
> rods, pistons, manifold, everything a stock 403 came with!!!!!
> How much would this engine be worth running and not running?  How much
> would be considered a good price if one was to buy it to rebuild.
>
> Also,  Is this a good motor to rebuild for performance?  What kind of
> other block components are compatible?  What kind of transmission will
> bolt up to it?
>
> Has anyone seen a 403 run an Olds into the 12's?
>
>                         Gerald Hughes
>                         79 Hurst/Olds
>
>

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From: "JOSEPH_W. BARKER" <BARKERJO@mailserv1.ferris.edu>
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 12:11:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Pronouncing 442

> Gerald, This whole subject started when I commented how some ignorant people
> say
> "Four Forty Two" instead of Four- Four-Two.   Ed    Escape442@aol.com
>

Damnit all, I say "Four Forty Two" and I think it sounds allright

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