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oldsmobile-digest          Friday, 28 March 1997       Volume 01 : Number 582

RE: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Rocker Arm Pedistals
Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage
Re: Computer ERROR Codes
Re: Oil Weight
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Re: Oil Weight
RE: Rare Cars?
New E-Mail Address
Re: Alpha One Merchandise
Re: Oil Weight
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
RE: Rare Cars?
Re: Rocker Arm Pedistals
Re: Computer ERROR Codes
Re: Alpha One Merchandise
Looking for parts
RE:  Front Suspension Rebuild Advice
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Wow, I feel a bit young - NOT
Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
More Rare Cars
Other speedo gear q's
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young - NOT
Re: More Rare Cars
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Re: Computer ERROR Codes
Another point (was: Rare Cars?)
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young - NOT
Re: "Vista Cruiser" script partª
[none]
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Re: Supercharger
Re: your mail
Improving 307 performance on low-budget
Power Steering Problems
1958 Shop Manual Supplement For Sale
66 Starfire
Re: Other speedo gear q's
mailing lists (not olds related)
Re: "Vista Cruiser" script partª
Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage
Re: bleeding oil line
RE: Rare Cars?
RE: recommendation on springs needed for Cultass
Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.
Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

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From: Greg Yonge <gsyonge@genesisnetwork.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:33:06 -0400
Subject: RE: Wow, I feel a bit young.

Eric, I'm 20 too, but looking at a '66 Dynamic Conv. (What can I say, I love
HUGE gas guzzling Olds!!!)

Greg
'92 Achieva SC 2dr 5spd. H.O.
            (hopefully) '66 Dynamic 88 Convertible

- -----Original Message-----
From:Eric Aksomitis [SMTP:aksomi@cs.uregina.ca]
Sent:Thursday, March 27, 1997 7:09 PM
To:Olds M List
Subject:Wow, I feel a bit young.

All the three-in-the tree talk and talk of young people nwho have never
heard of them  is starting to make me wonder:  Am I the only 20yr old on
this list or thereabout that likes 70's oldsmobiles.  I mean, I know
their not c*m*ros or m****ngs, but I think they ROCK!!  Is anyone else
out there?  (BTW, middle-aged, defined as (Total Age/2) + or  - some
tolerance, E, can be greatly increased by owning more oldsmobiles, which
causes a longer, far more productive lifespan)



EA~

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From: Thomas Martin <marttj@pcmail1.csg.mot.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 07:43:04 -0400
Subject: Rocker Arm Pedistals

I have an 85 Cutlass with the 307, that I just purchased from my
father.  It is in great shape, and has 187,750 miles.  All of a sudden I
have some hiddeous noises from the lifter valley area.  I am getting
ready to pull the valve covers and possibly the intake if necessary.  I
suspect the imfamous pedistal mount problems.  The Olds dealer told my
dad that he has personally replace hundreds of these, and they go when
they want to, regardless of driving style.

Do the older Olds motors have better quality parts?  I have seen the 76
service manual and have been told by the dealer the factory pedistals
are cast Aluminum.  What can I replace it with aftermarket that is cost
effective?  Being I don't race, aluminum rockers are just out of the
question!

If I lost a pushrod in the intake, and have to pull the intake, what is
the most reliable intake gasket?  Has anyone tried the Torque Plus
intake gaskets?  Are they relaible?  This car has had the intake gasket
replaced once about 7 years ago, and I have been told this is also a
problem with the Olds small blocks.

If there is any other reliability problem that anyone can advise me of,
I would much appreciate it.  I am not new to Olds, but I have never had
to do more than a timing chain, and my old 76 Olds 88 went over 200,000
and never got more than that.  This 307 got a new chain and gears at
155,000 and only the chain was stretched, the nylon gear was in
fantastic shape.  I was truly amazed.

I would appreciate a email directly at mailto:tmartin@genevaonline.com.

Thanks
Thomas Martin

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From: <Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:20:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage

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From: Michael Baugher on 03/28/97 08:20 AM

The Name of the Company is Hall's Oldsmobile Salvage, in Soldier Kansas.
ph.913-924-3748....good luck



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Please respond to oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca

To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:    (bcc: Michael Baugher/MO/americancentury)
Subject:  Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage




In a message dated 97-03-26 17:20:35 EST, you write:

<< What is the name of the company?  I'd be willing to bet that if we got a
 hold of them, they'd be willing to sell some of the cars and let us haul
 what we buy off for scrap price!!  If somebody can find the companies
 name, there are a couple of cars that I might ask them about! >>

That's not a bad idea...   It'd be just as good to pay them the prices of
scrap... take the parts off you want, then let them make a few more bucks
by taking the remainder of the car for scrap.  Could be some good money for
them (extra that is, and I'd even find some money to do something like
this).

So is anybody going to make the phone calls?  Somebody in the area?

Chris Ruper
CRuper1@aol.com



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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 10:24:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Computer ERROR Codes

James William Townsend wrote:
>
> How does one "clear the computer"?

Run a magnet over it.  Just kidding :-)

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 10:35:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Oil Weight

Dan Williams wrote:
>
> Since spring is here, it is time to change the oil on the 442s and get
> them out on the road.  I was just wondering what oil weight everyone
> around here used for their Oldsmobiles.  I've always used 10W40, but I
> seem to remember a lot of people who were 20W50 fans.

10W30 I think.

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:45:01 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

James Thingwold wrote:
>
> How many of us 'age-impaired' individuals have driven those push button
> shift cars?  We used to laugh in our drag racing days about using one of
> those - what -  STABBING it into second gear?!

Lisa,

I own both 1962 & a 1963 Dodge Polara 500 convertibles w/this feature.
I always did like it very much.  Mine are lighted, but in no time one
gets the feel of shifting it into reverse or whatever.  It is not unlike
the feel one gets from a floor shift automatic.  In a short time one
doesn't have to look at all.

In my youth I owned a '58 Dodge pushbutton, '61 Dodge, & a '63 Plymouth
Sport Fury.  I have driven my grandfather's '58 Rambler pushbutton.  I
haven't tried the Packard electric one or the Mercury or Edsel.  I can't
see why it wouldn't be as nice as my Chrysler mechanical one.

My understanding of the demise of the pushbutton was that an industry
standard lever type was adopted w/PRNDL sequence mandated for 1965
vehicles.  This did in Oldsmobile's PNDLR sequence.  This allowed people
to switch from make to make w/out having to think about their AT.
Strangely, this didn't carry over into the manual transmission field as
reverse was put all over the place on different 4-speeds.  Even 1st
might be found in either the forward or rearward position.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 04:50:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

C.R.F. wrote:
>
> At 05:57 PM 3/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
> >Jason Labay wrote:
> >>
> >> >I mean, I know their not c*m*ros or m****ngs, but I think they ROCK!!
> >>
> >> Camaro's rock too, Mustangs uhhh sorta rock.
> >> - - - - - - - - - - -
> >
> >Jason,
> >
> >What's that advertisement, "Chevies built by a rock?"
> >
> >Bill Culp
> >Decatur, Alabama
> >
> >
> Seems to me Mr. Rock built Oldsmobiles until a few months ago.
>
> Anon. I

When you're having fun there is always someone to spoil it.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: DaWolf77@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 10:56:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Oil Weight

im a 10W40 man myself but i have an '83
so thats no help. hey if you know anything about 83
cutlasses let me know mine needs some help
DaWolf77@aol.com

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From: NotDads442@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:02:18 -0400
Subject: RE: Rare Cars?

The Wiz wrote:
<<There has been a lot of bantering about just how rare some cars are!  There
are so many options available that it is possible for a manufacturer to
build and entire years production and not make any two of them the same.>>

Wiz, I must respectively disagree.  Currently most of the cookie cutter cars
we see today are ordered by dealerships with basically the same options on
every car.  Not only that, the list of options on most cars is surprisingly
small these days.  This is because competition amongst the manufacturers has
warranted the increase in standard features.  Also, most cars get all of
these options in a package to fool we consumers into thinking that we are
getting a good deal when buying all of the options together and if you can
get a look at the option sheets for most new cars one option will require the
installation of many more options.   Another example, it is nearly impossible
to get a new car these days that doesn't come with power windows, power door
locks, tilt and cruise control (not that I would want to do without these
options).  Fifteen and twenty years ago it was unusual to find a car with
these options unless the owner had ordered it specifically with these
options, thus making these if not rare certainly unusual.  I've spent alot on
time on new car lots these days looking at cars and the only difference in
most is the exterior and interior colors!  They all have the same options!

<<This would make no one car any rarer than any other.  Just because they
only
built about 3000 4-4-2 Convertibles that year, any one would certainly not
be any rarer than say any Cutlass S Holiday Coupe, where the production was
about 90,000; as each one was unique, and therefore no more common than
another.>>

I think most of the talk about rare cars has been regarding later model cars,
for example 87-current.  The cars that have been written about I think are
indeed rare cars.  If Olds made say 20,000 Calais in 1991(I don't have the
exact total number with me but I do have them at home) and out of those
20,000 they made only 204(that number is exact) with the W-41 package, I
think that makes any car with the W-41 option a rare car.  The same follows
for the XC Ciera's that have been recently written about.  If the total
production of a car with an option package is approx. 1-10 percent, I think
that make it rare.

<<P.S. I would be willing to bet that excluding fleet cars, that a very large
percentage of Olds' 1970 production was in fact unique.>>

In 1970 this was probably true.  After say the late 1980's this just is no
longer the case.

You are right when you say "Sort of interesting when numbers can become
semantics.".  I don't think that there is any question whether or not the
cars I've spoken about are indeed rare.  We could however waste lots of time
discussing if they will become valuable.:-)  That's when semantics would
really come into play.  I believe that my W-41 is valuable and I'm certain
that Frank believes that his XC Ciera is valuable.  But that only matters to
us.  I'd bet most of the people on the list would disagree with this and
that's fine.  We will just have to wait and see what these cars are worth in
20-30 years.  If we all live that long ;-).

Cecil
1991 W-41

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From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:03:57 -0400
Subject: New E-Mail Address

For any of you who may have copied my E-Mail address to your address
book from one
of my postings over the past weeks and months, please be advised that
the following
address will be invalid as of this afternoon (Friday, March 28th):

           tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu

My new E-Mail address is:

           tgstoner@t.imap.itd.umich.edu

This change is occuring because I am changing jobs with the University
of Michigan
(a promotion, which is always good).  As always, messages sent to
"tgstoner@umich.edu" will be forwarded to my correct mailbox by the
University's
X.500 directory server.  I'm sorry for any inconvenience which this
change might
cause anyone.  Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:06:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Alpha One Merchandise

Dan Williams wrote:
>
> I just ordered one of the Aurora Pace Car 1/16th scale models.  If you
> want one, you better order it today.  They are only making 2500 of
> them.  It came in about 4 days and looks pretty sharp.

How much and how do you get a hold of these people?

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: IRONMAN <jev114@psu.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:16:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Oil Weight

Oil tips:

10W-40

now to understand what oil to run you have to know what the numbers mean.
the first number is the viscosity of the oil when cold. the W means you can
use it in the winter. the second number is the viscosity of the oil when
the oil is warm. got it! that's why it makes sense to use 5W30 in the
winter....etc

wiz's protege

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:42:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

I'm 20, and I used to own a 1974 Delta 88 (see my monologue at
http://www.442.com/pierce.html).  My 84 still runs on 70's iron though,
and I also own a 1972 Mercury Marquis Brougham (429 4bbl.).  I still
remember the first time that I drove a 3 on collumn car (or in this case,
truck) it was a Plymouth Trailduster (same as Dodge Ram Charger).  I at
least knew enough about cars to recognize what it was (clutches aren't
normally needed with automatics 'unless you have a 1930's Oldsmobile':-)
I was considering buying it at a used car dealer.  When I test drove it, I
let the dealer run through the gears with me so that I could learn where
they were, and then I promptly drove it, with no problems I might add.

Greg, I bet that '28 is cool!  I'm considering buying two '38 coupes I
know about.

Hey Wiz, if you've got a spare model T, I'll take you up on that offer :-)


Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
The ***OFFICIAL*** Editor of the Olds FAQ
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

Get a copy of the Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com
http://www.en.com/users/thall

Or FTP a "zipped" version from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds.


On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Greg Pruett wrote:

> >All the three-in-the tree talk and talk of young people nwho have never
> >heard of them  is starting to make me wonder:  Am I the only 20yr old on
> >this list or thereabout that likes 70's oldsmobiles.
>
> Nope.  I'm nineteen and driving a `72 Vista-Cruiser that my mom used to.  Of
> course it's been through somewhat of a resurection and minor modification.
> I also just reccently purchased a `67 Cutlass Supreme holiday coupe that's
> going to get a restification this summer.  I also work on dad's `28 f*rd
> model A project car from time to time.  (Hey, *any* car that lives to be 69
> is cool IMHO)
>
> >I mean, I know
> >their not c*m*ros or m****ngs, but I think they ROCK!!
>                                    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> "But I think"?  Don't you mean "so of course" they ROCK!!  :)
> .....My Vista-Cruiser has been known to spank a stock mustang or camaro from
> time to time.  (Allthough I'd rather not recall the time I mistook that 5.0
> for a plain jane poser.)
>
> And while we're on the subject of youngsters.  I was driving one night with
> some friends in the car when one of them asked how I was dimming the lights
> without using my hands.  On another occasion one of my ex-roomates thought
> it was wierd that my car has dual exhaust.  These people have been around
> tauruses and camrys too long.
>
> Oh well.
>
> Greg Pruett
> `72 Vista-Cruiser
> `67 Cutlass Supreme
>
>
>
>
>

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:49:50 -0400
Subject: RE: Rare Cars?

This is an interesting discussion. I see both Cecil's and Wiz's points so
I'm on the fence on this one. I think Wiz's argument certainly was true in
the 60's and 70's. I recall reading that around 1970 there were several
million (or maybe it was billion) possible combinations of full-size
Ch*vy, with the proliferation of models, colors and options available
then. Nowadays as Cecil points out most of them are indeed
cookie-cutter-cars and are considerably less diverse. You get your choice
of 2 interior colors (and if they're gray or taupe I would argue that
they're not really colors anyway ;-) ), 6 or 8 exterior colors, and a
handful of option packages, that's it. Good for the assembly line and
inventory guys, not so good if you want something different. I recall
that in 1990 I was shopping for a new car and looked at an Accord. The
color choices were a dull maroon, a dull blue, white, charcoal gray and
if you wanted to go for the top of the line model, a champagne color,
that's all. Seems as though every second new Chrysler product I see this
year is a dark forest green. Every '85 Prelude I ever saw was charcoal.
Zzzzzzz.....

The real question is not one of rarity, but desirability. A 6-cylinder
standard '70 4-door with manual steering and brakes, and some odd
combination of options and colors may very well be unique but to most it
wouldn't be particularly desirable to collect. A 4-4-2 covertible of the
same year may well be identical to many others but most of us would jump
at the chance to have one.

An interesting debate nonetheless. After looking for that Custom Cruiser
all these months without success I can assure you that some modern cars are
indeed rare, though...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:54:20 -0400
Subject: Re: Rocker Arm Pedistals

Rockers and pedestals are easy to change, only a few hours work. The
aftermarket pedestals are a different design but seem to work fine. Cost
is not all that much either. We did mine a few months ago and it wasn't
hard at all.

I think the intake manifold leak problem with later Olds small-blocks is
traceable to the use of an aluminum intake with iron heads and the
different coefficients of expansion of the 2 metals, with maybe some
electrolytic corrosion thrown in also. Can't help you on that one...

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:38:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Computer ERROR Codes

>How does one "clear the computer"?

Either disconnecting the battery or (more gently) removing the ECM
fuse for about ten minutes should do it. I'm going out on a limb here
and adding a bit more detail, but I'm not real clear on GM's terminology;
I'm more familiar with the Ford service manuals we produced a while back.

But here goes, anyway: There are two areas that can be erased: the stored
error codes, and the operating parameters (what Ford knows as the Keep
Alive Memory, or KAM). The operating parameters must be relearned after
a power failure; this is why the car may run like a tank initially, and
you want to drive in your "typical" style for a few sessions until the
computer can get itself sorted out. It would be nice to clear the codes
without forcing the ECM to relearn the parameters all over again. I don't
know if pulling the ECM fuse without disconnecting the battery will let
you keep the parameters and only erase the error codes, but it might be
worth a try. (On Fords, this is achieved by pulling the jumper wire
during code readout; I doubt GM is exactly the same.)

After major servicing, especially if ignition components and the like
have been replaced, you _would_ want to force a relearn, and certainly
pulling the battery cable would be the easiest way to do this.

In any event, the codes are eventually erased after a certain number of
driving sessions (30-50 depending on code and ECM), so if you fix a
problem and don't erase the codes, they'll go away by themselves
eventually anyway.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:58:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Alpha One Merchandise

1-800-338-2955.  It was $16.95 plus shipping.  Ask them for a free
catalog, they have lots-o-stuff.

- -Dan

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> Dan Williams wrote:
> >
> > I just ordered one of the Aurora Pace Car 1/16th scale models.  If you
> > want one, you better order it today.  They are only making 2500 of
> > them.  It came in about 4 days and looks pretty sharp.
>
> How much and how do you get a hold of these people?
>
> Chris Sparks
> 68 442

------------------------------

From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:06:00 -0400
Subject: Looking for parts

I'm looking for the following parts:

* 1 early style SSI (14x6 - no trim ring)
* 1968 Passenger side seat belt (deluxe).  Prefer blue
* 1968 'X' 442 Exhaust manafold

- -Dan

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From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:20:44 -0400
Subject: RE:  Front Suspension Rebuild Advice

Once you have everything replaced and take it to a front end alignment
shop make sure they properly torque the upper control arm attaching bolts
to factory specs.  Otherwise the alignment shims fall out and you have
the joy of experiencing really bad noises and wondering what you did wrong.
(Ah, the voice of experience!!)  It is important to properly seat these
bolts when you are doing the rebuild.  Otherwise, the torque specs will
be off and the shims fall out anyway.  Good luck

Al Varhus


  http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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From: "blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:27:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

> All the three-in-the tree talk and talk of young people nwho have never
> heard of them  is starting to make me wonder:  Am I the only 20yr old on
> this list or thereabout that likes 70's oldsmobiles.

Eric, I'm 22 and I absolutely love my '72 Cutlass Supreme!!  I wouldn't
trade it for anything (except maybe a '68 - '72 442 W-Machine or H/O <g>).
I hope this doesn't hurt your feelings, but I'm not quite as fond of '75 -
'79's. Although, I wouldn't mind having a Hurst/Olds or 442 from those
years -- or any year, for that matter...

>I mean, I know
> their not c*m*ros or m****ngs, but I think they ROCK!!
> EA~

Shoot.  I'd take an Olds over a M*stang or C*maro *any* day (or night)!
Isn't it nice to see that not all of America's youth have been corrupted by
the dark side? ;)

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:57:25 -0400
Subject: Wow, I feel a bit young - NOT

blaines wrote:

<snip>

> Isn't it nice to see that not all of America's youth have been corrupted by
> the dark side? ;)

Now this is something that makes ~me~ feel old - the fact that you, who
were diapers when Stars Wars came out, are now paraphrasing it.

As for Olds content, my first Olds was a '72 C/S - Great taste in cars
Blaine.

- --
Kurt Heinrich  (mailto:old442@erols.com)
71 442         (see it at http://www.442.com/heinrich.html)

------------------------------

From: KarlAunan@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:19:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage

Sad to say, but I am unable to attempt the trip. I was informed in no
uncertain terms that I was working second shift on Good Friday, particularly
if I wanted to be employed on Monday. This is particularly unfortunate as my
plans were complete, down to hotel reservations.

I apologize to those of you with whom I communicated about aquiring parts, as
I may not be able to Email you all individually. Perhaps next weekend I might
make the same trip, if anyone can learn who has aquired and is now c****ing
the inventory of Hall's.

Again, my deepest regrets.

Wait, I could catch a red-eye flight to Whichita at about 4 am, rent a
pickup, drive to Soldier... ... ...

Karl Aune
1965 Dynamic 88
Soldier, KS

------------------------------

From: OldsDr@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:41:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

Hey I am 21 and should have my 1970 W-31 on the road for lansing. So you are
not the only one out there.

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:58:48 -0400
Subject: More Rare Cars

I totally agree with both Cecil and Greg, especially about the later cars;
which is one of the reasons that I picked 1970 to use in my discussion; and
not a later one.

The point is, and I purposefully left it out for the original post, is that
if every car was optioned differently, then each and every car would be
unique.  BUT that does not make them all equally valuable!

Ie, rarity does not necessarily enhance value.

The rarest cars seem to be those that were assembeled with the very
expensive options, and those that are the 'el cheapo variety too.  I'll bet
that there are more 1957 Ch*vy Bel Aires than there are 150 stripers, but
which one will sell for more today, the relatively scarce 150 or the
somewhat more common Bel Aire?

Ie, rarity still does not necessarily enhance value.

If you have one of the 90,000 Cutlass S Holiday Coupes it would still not be
worth anything like one of the 3000 4-4-2 Convertibles; even though both
cars are unique.

Points to ponder...

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: Terrill Yuhas <tyuhas@mail.arl.arizona.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 13:00:17 -0400
Subject: Other speedo gear q's

Anyone know which drive/driven gears would be needed for a TH350/3.42
combo that was originally a 2.41?  It's in a '79 F-body and was an option
(I think it was stock for the T/A 403/TH350) but I was surprised at how
little Mr. Goodwrench knows about stock offerings.

For those who've switched their TH350s for TH200R4s (or vice versa) can
the driven gear stay the same?

Thanks,

Terrill

------------------------------

From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 05:24:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young - NOT

>blaines wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Isn't it nice to see that not all of America's youth have been corrupted by
>> the dark side? ;)
>
>Now this is something that makes ~me~ feel old - the fact that you, who
>were diapers when Stars Wars came out, are now paraphrasing it.

Umm. I'm a sophmore in college and Star wars was released before I was born.
Well ok, ok, the day before I was born.   (oh, and I can't spell sophomore
either)

I'm sure you wanted to know that. :)

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:08:39 -0400
Subject: Re: More Rare Cars

C.R.F. wrote:

> If you have one of the 90,000 Cutlass S Holiday Coupes it would still not be
> worth anything like one of the 3000 4-4-2 Convertibles; even though both
> cars are unique.

Or even post coupes! :-)

Chris Sparks
68 442 (She uses her post like a stick)

------------------------------

From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:16:36 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

Eric,

Don't feel so bad.  I'm in my mid-twenties, and I'm sure there are others
out there in this age range.

       Jim Townsend

------------------------------

From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:33:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Computer ERROR Codes

Chris,
That's hilarious!  But don't tempt me; the way my car's been running, with
it being rough and all, I'm thinking that a magnet couldn't hurt and just
might make an improvement!

       Jim Townsend

On Fri, 28 Mar 1997, Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:

> James William Townsend wrote:
> >
> > How does one "clear the computer"?
>
> Run a magnet over it.  Just kidding :-)
>
> Chris Sparks
> 68 442
>
>

------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:32:00 -0400
Subject: Another point (was: Rare Cars?)

In a message dated 97-03-28 04:08:53 EST, you write:

<< This would make no one car any rarer than any other.  Just because they
only
 built about 3000 4-4-2 Convertibles that year, any one would certainly not
 be any rarer than say any Cutlass S Holiday Coupe, where the production was
 about 90,000; as each one was unique, and therefore no more common than
another.

 Last fall I went to visit seven cars, luckily all in the Pennsylvania to
 Maine corridor, and of these seven cars, they represented 3 different
 models.  Total R.H.D. production (there were a few more L.H.D. for export).
 Production of these cars was 131, 79 and 69 for a total of 279 units.  Of
 these 279 I am aware of fewer than 20 existant.  What to talk rare. >>

This brings up another good point to make.  Just because there were alot of
one type made, doesn't mean there are alot left.  You may find fewer of the
standard cars left by virtue of the fact that the "specials" were kept nice
and clean, and the "regulars" were beat to death, abused, rusted, and
crushed.  Either that or more kids were driving them, and had the tendancy to
trash them.  Just because the car had 90,000 of that style made that year,
doesn't mean there are alot of them left.

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:47:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young - NOT

I agree with whoever said they love the GM A-bodies.  I used to have a '72
Chevy Monte Carlo, which is a Chevelle type chassis.  However, I've always
wanted a 70-72 Olds Cutlass, maybe a W-30 or W-31 (who DOESN'T want one!).
Acutally, I wouldn't mind owning any decent 68-72 A-body, be it a Potiac,
Buick, etc.  There's great potential for a high-class ride in any of these
machines.  (Yes, even the Chevy  ;)   )

And I think I've long-since been converted to the Dark Side.  I saw the
first Star Wars movie when it was first released in the Seventies and have
been a die-hard fan ever since.  Vader rules!

          Jim Townsend

On Fri, 28 Mar 1997, Kurt Heinrich wrote:

> blaines wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Isn't it nice to see that not all of America's youth have been corrupted
by > > the dark side? ;) > > Now this is something that makes ~me~ feel old -
the fact that you, who > were diapers when Stars Wars came out, are now
paraphrasing it. > > As for Olds content, my first Olds was a '72 C/S -
Great taste in cars > Blaine. > > -- > Kurt Heinrich
(mailto:old442@erols.com) > 71 442         (see it at
http://www.442.com/heinrich.html) > >

------------------------------

From: Jim Hoekendijk <jim.hoekendijk@pi.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 14:47:53 -0400
Subject: Re: "Vista Cruiser" script partª

> I just looked in my parts catalog and could not find an entry for these.
> It's odd since I also couldn't find an entry for the ones on my '68
> either. I was looking in group 8.147 under "script, front fender". Maybe
> I was in the wrong place. Can anyone advise?
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada

Greg,

In my parts catalog (models thru 1975, effective june, 1978) the scripts
for 65-69 VC are listed in group 8.147:
             "Vista"    389315
             "Cruiser"  389316

Everett,

Thank you! Would the LH scripts really be different from the RH
scripts, as the partª's suggest? I can't imagion!

Jim Hoekendijk.

------------------------------

From: Dustin E Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:06:27 -0400
Subject: [none]

>
> And while we're on the subject of youngsters.  I was driving one night with
> some friends in the car when one of them asked how I was dimming the lights
> without using my hands.  On another occasion one of my ex-roomates thought
> it was wierd that my car has dual exhaust.  These people have been around
> tauruses and camrys too long.

I'm 23 and remember being amazed when it was possible to dim the lights
without your feet!

I have only been around  2 vehicles with 3 on the tree's  one is a freinds
'68 ch*vy pu and the other was a '58 ch*v wagon that I parted out a couple
years ago (the 235-6 engine found its way into my '53 ch*v pu) I think I
still have the tranny around somewhere

------------------------------

From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:08:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

> Scott,
>
> I found that Greg Ludlam is a Yankee & now you drive a %$ª@.  What is
> going on in the world today.  I even found that the War of Northern
> Aggression isn't at half-time as my grandmother always told me.  The
> game is really over!
>
> Since that I have found that you are a nice guy, I'll overlook it.  Just
> don't tell my grandmother.  It will be her 95th birthday the 29th of
> next month.
>
Well...desprate times called for despirate measures--
When the engine in my '63 Galaxie started to blow oil (bad rings), and it
was time to either spring for a new engine or a new car.  I knew that I
was going to be doing a lot of highway driving (from Wyoming to Montana)
and I knew the gas bill would run me into the poor house.  I found out for
sure that I was leaving Wyoming with only two weeks to figure the car
thing out,  So, when a this
good deal came up on my Chubby, I took it.  It took another four months to
sell the Ford (left it on consignment with a dealership in
Cheyenne)...only got $1200 for it, and the body was beautiful,
interior good too.  It's only problem was that it was a four door (and a
sedan at that).  If I had a dollar for every guy that gave me the "Well,
it's a beautiful car, and if it was a two door, I'd buy it in a heartbeat"
line, I could have bought three or four new engines.  :(
Thats one of the big reasons I decided my next project was going
to be A). A two door, and B). A hardtop.  With my '60, I've got both :)

Thanks for understanding...And don't worry about Grandma, I can keep
a secret. ;) I've managed to keep mine in the dark about it for this long.
Of course, she might be forgiving...Grandad had a Coronet for a lot of
years. ;)  Then again, maybe not!


Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:17:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

> >> What's that advertisement, "Chevies built by a rock?"
> >
> >Actually, I think that was "Chevy...built -with- a rock."  :)
> >Just kidding.  I'm hardly one to talk since my daily driver is a...dare I
> >say the C word....Camaro.
>
> Ahhh, nice to see I am not the only one on the list driving a Camaro as an
> everyday driver:) My 88 Camaro was built with a rock, slow as can be
> compared to my new baby. My 80 442 could have given that car a run for its
money

My Camaro might was well be a rock.  I think a bicycle with one
wheel could give me a run for it, although I think my top end would
eventually pull me through :)  And even in it's present form of
disassembly, I bet my '60 could take it out.  The poor Chubby has that
cheesy 60 degree 2.8 V6. :(  The only bonus is the five speed.  Depending
on how much $$ I can make this summer, I'd really like to finish putting
my Olds together (priority, of course!) and then put a V8 into the Chubby.
Ideally, I'd like to get a salvage LT1, and put the T-56 behind it, but
cash flow will dictate the outcome of that.  The car does -look- sort of
fast though.  It's got 16" IROC wheels and 245 50 ZR16 Goodyear Gatorbacks
all the way around, and a Dynomax cat back.  Still, I  *really* miss
having a V8 in my driver...you guys don't know how jelous you make me :)

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

------------------------------

From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:43:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Supercharger

    I have a friend that works for BDS (Blower Drive Service),  and we were
discussing how hard it would be to put a Vortech supercharger on various
engines.  According to him BDS can make all the pullies and mounting brackets
for the installation of a Vortech supercharger on any engine you can think
of, it's just a matter of money and time to do it right.
     Paxton superchargers still makes the carbureter enclosure for Holley
carbureters that they used for the carbureted version of thier supercharging
system.  You might even be able to find used/rebuilt Paxton systems from
people who restore Avante automobiles --  the prices range usually from $800
to $1200, but you would still have to fabricate the mounting bracketts for
your application.

                Hope that puts a little light on the subject,
















                                                                J2RKT@aol.com

------------------------------

From: Bob Valentine <ravalent@liii.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:49:05 -0400
Subject: Re: your mail

On Fri, 28 Mar 1997, Dustin E Cross wrote:

> I'm 23 and remember being amazed when it was possible to dim the lights
> without your feet!

    I'm 24, and I was amazed at how much nicer the dimmer on the floor
is than late model column shift. ;^)  (first experienced on my '72 CS)
Sadly, I've never even driven a 3 on the tree.

    I can't remember who it was on Usenet who had it in their .sig, but it
went something like "President, Put The Dimmer Switch Back On The Floor
Where It Belongs Society".

                     -->   Bob Valentine  <--
                    --> ravalent@liii.com  <--
        "Experience varies directly with equipment ruined"

------------------------------

From: "IT" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:29:58 -0400
Subject: Improving 307 performance on low-budget

I am a proud owner of a 1981 Delta 88 Brougham.  It is all stock (inc. the
307) 3-speed, and the only work done on it is BFGoodrich Radial T/As,
255/60/15s and sensatrack shocks. I have also done some brake work and
numerous accesories (like Radar-Detector BEL -725i, wasted money, 8 spk.
stereo with a sub, driving lights, etc).  This car is not that great when
it comes to acceleration.  I can hold my own against regular cars however
even a 1.6L 5-speed Corolla can beat me, not to mention my other crap car,
1995 Chrysler Intrepid, with a 3.3L (talk about poor quality, good power
though).  My question is how could I improve performance on this car
without spending a lot of money.  It is also a daily driver, so it can not
be out of service for too long.  Would adding ACCEL 8.8 mm wires do
anything? What about their coil, air-cleaner, etc.  Any junk-yard parts
would do too.

Igor Todorovic
Calgary, AB
1981 Delta 88
1995 Intrepid

------------------------------

From: "IT" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:35:44 -0400
Subject: Power Steering Problems

Ever since I got 255/60/15 tires in my 1981 Delta 88, I have noticed that
my steering has stiffened.  That is good, however it still is way
over-assited.  As this assistance is good for parking-lots, it is a real
pain on the high-way.  Would adding a different power steering pump (say
from a camaro) work? Could  I do it? And if possible, it should be a
junk-yard part. If anyone knows how to fix this problem, I would be glad to
hear from you.

Igor Todorovic
Calgary, AB

1981 Delta 88
1995 Chrysler Intrepid (don't buy one)

------------------------------

From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:43:30 -0400
Subject: 1958 Shop Manual Supplement For Sale

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to
sell:

1958 Oldsmobile Anit-Spin Shop Manual supplement.  Near mint original
condition.  $10.00, including Priority Mail shipment to any address
in the United States. (3/28/97)

Please notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to
purchase this item or if you would like additional information about
it.  Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

------------------------------

From: John Schumacher <jd.schumacher@baylordallas.edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:36:21 -0400
Subject: 66 Starfire

I've never seen a 66 starfire (I'm 30).  Check out Jim Marchione's in
the April97 issue of Classic Auto Restorer.  Is Jim a member on the
list?  What a great car!!

- --
John "Shoe-Man" Schumacher
North Texas Olds Club ª25464 Dynamic 88
Dallas, Texas69 442
OCA ª02115174 Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: Slowmobile@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 16:59:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Other speedo gear q's

really need to know other pertinent info, primarily what tire size you are
planning on using

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:01:36 -0400
Subject: mailing lists (not olds related)

Does anybody know of a site that might host a mailing list for free for me?
If so, would they _please_ contact me about it.

I hate to ask this on the OLDSMOBILE list, but I'm running out of
resources, and I don't know who to ask about it.

For at least a little bit of Olds related info. I did a bunch of detailing
under my hood yesterday, looks REAL good.  Eventually I'll get one of the
pictures that I took scanned and have Bryce put it on the page he's made
for me.

Thanksabunch,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

------------------------------

From: Slowmobile@aol.com
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:10:56 -0400
Subject: Re: "Vista Cruiser" script partª

Greg, 1970-72 part no is 230949 (vista), 230950 (cruiser, don't know what
year you need, this is as far as I can go back.  Source, "Mitchell" crash
estimating Guide,
Volume 19 (Published 1977)

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:18:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage

They're called Halls Oldsmobile Salvage....located in Soldier
Kansas...phone number (913)924-3748....They're crushing as we speak

Okay, now there, we know the company... I live too far away to look
at anything even if it WAS restoreable!   Is there anybody that is
close to Halls who would be willing to take some requests from list
members and might drop by there?

Thanksabunch,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

> << What is the name of the company?  I'd be willing to bet that if we got a
>  hold of them, they'd be willing to sell some of the cars and let us haul
>  what we buy off for scrap price!!  If somebody can find the companies
>  name, there are a couple of cars that I might ask them about! >>
>
> That's not a bad idea...   It'd be just as good to pay them the prices of
> scrap... take the parts off you want, then let them make a few more bucks by
> taking the remainder of the car for scrap.  Could be some good money for
them > (extra that is, and I'd even find some money to do something like
this). > > So is anybody going to make the phone calls?  Somebody in the
area? > > Chris Ruper > CRuper1@aol.com > > - -- "It is in vain to hope to
please all alike.
 Let a man stand with his face in what direction he will,
 he must necessarily turn his back on one half of the world."

                  George Dennison Prentice

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                 zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

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From: Gail Adams <gadams@remc7.k12.mi.us>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:29:23 -0400
Subject: Re: bleeding oil line

Why should it be ATF instead of brake fluid?
Tom Adams

On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, Lloyd Culp wrote:

> jim helle wrote:
> >
> > I have a convertible. I just installed a cylinder on the top. I now have
> > as much air as I have fluid in the system. Can anyone tell me how to
> > bleed the air?
> > Thank you
> > Jim Helle
>
> Jim,
>
> Cycle the top up & down repeatedly.  After each cycle, replentish the
> fluid - I hope that it is ATF & not brake fluid.  After a couple of
> cycles, it should get noticeably better.  When the bubbles are out of
> the lines & not showing up in the resevoir, you should be there.  Don't
> forget to repeatedly top off the resevoir.
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama
>
>

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:37:45 -0400
Subject: RE: Rare Cars?

At 11:02 AM 3/28/97 -0400, NotDads442@aol.com wrote:

>
>You are right when you say "Sort of interesting when numbers can become
>semantics.".  I don't think that there is any question whether or not the
>cars I've spoken about are indeed rare.  We could however waste lots of time
>discussing if they will become valuable.:-)  That's when semantics would
>really come into play.  I believe that my W-41 is valuable and I'm certain
>that Frank believes that his XC Ciera is valuable.  But that only matters to
>us.  I'd bet most of the people on the list would disagree with this and
>that's fine.  We will just have to wait and see what these cars are worth in
>20-30 years.  If we all live that long ;-).

Well I disagree...sorta:-) I seriously doubt that the W-41 or the XC Ciera
will become valuable as the likes of the 70 LS6 Chevelle, Daytona
Superbee's, etc. If they do there will be a much more limited market for
them...mostly Olds enthusiasts. Cars that I see being "valuable" in the
future that were built in the modern era are the B4C Camaro's, 1LE Camaro's,
WS6 Trans/Am's, Firehawks, Grand Nationals, T-types, some of the rare
optioned 5.0 Mustangs, Hurst/Olds, Monte Carlo SS Aerocoupe, Pontiac Grand
Prix 2+2 and the 80-87 4-4-2's . They will be 20 -30 years from now what the
late 60's early 70's cars are today on the market. I am banking this
probably biased theory on the muscle car market, the other "general car"
(for lack of a better term) I am not familiar with. I just put my flame
retardant suit on so flame away at me :) :)
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Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

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From: "Dan Miller" <Dsm137@msn.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:39:16 -0400
Subject: RE: recommendation on springs needed for Cultass

Hey Doug,

   I gotta tell ya, I went looking around for springs for my ' 67 convertible
and after looking and looking, I ended up at the local parts store and bought
from Moog. The parts guy is a friend, and he called Moogs help line and the
engineer there hooked me up. Only went for about $140 for the set of four!!! I
 was happy as hell and my car sits great!!!!!

Dan Miller
1967 Cutlass Convertible

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From: oldsmobile-owner@chebucto.ns.ca on behalf of Doug Ahern
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 1997 10:36 AM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: recommendation on springs needed for Cultass

I replaced the springs on my 64 cutlass 8 or so years ago, and now they
are show signs of considerable sag and wear.  At the time, I replaced
them with stock rated springs.  I'd like to replace them with heavier
duty, stiffer, springs.  I'm also willing to replace the stock sway
bar to match the spring ratings.   Its a 330 v8, I'd like the new
springs to be rated for a big block car (at minimum).

I was wondering what some member's of this list might be able to
tell me about heavy duty springs for the 64-72's.  info on ratings,
manufacturers, etc. would be useful.

thanks,

Doug Ahern      doug@cosmic.uga.edu  1964 F-85 Cutlass
http://www.cosmic.uga.edu/doug.html  1969 Dart
Sys Admin, COSMIC, Univ. of Georgia  1974 Satellite ex-cop car

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:43:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Wow, I feel a bit young.

At 12:27 PM 3/28/97 -0400, blaines wrote:

>Shoot.  I'd take an Olds over a M*stang or C*maro *any* day (or night)!
>Isn't it nice to see that not all of America's youth have been corrupted by
>the dark side? ;)

Oh no here we go again. Pick on the brainwashed Chevy guy:-)
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Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:59:23 -0400
Subject: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

The following is a list of 64-72 Olds Cutlass/442 parts for sale.

64 Cutlass/442
(1) 64 F-85 Fender Emblem (nice) $15.00
(1) 64 V-8 Fender Emblem (good used)  $5.00
Grille Assm     $75.00
RH Headlight Door    $25.00
F. Bumper Core    $75.00
RH Tail Lens    $5.00ea
LH Tail Lens    $5.00ea
Tail Light Bezels (used) $15.00 ea
Steering Wheel Center   $10.00

65 Cutlass/442
(1) 65 V-8 Fender Emblem (good used)  $5.00

66 Cutlass/442
Headlight Doors    $45.00 pr
66-67 Golve Box Door (Mint, black)  $35.00
66 F-85/Cutlass Trunk Molding (Nice) $65.00
66-67 Rear Window Moldings (set)  $75.00 set
66 F-85 RH Taillight Lens and bucket (NIce)  $25.00
66 Cutlass LH Qtr Molding (Nice)  $20.00
66 Front Bumper Core (straight, needs chrome)  $65.00 ea
66 Front Fenders Cutlass/442 (small qtr size hole)  $50.00 ea

67 Cutlass/442
67 Front Hood Molding (Very nice, no pits)  $60.00
67 Front Bumper Core (straight , needs chrome)  $65.00 ea
67 C/S Rear Bumper Core (straight, needs chrome)  $65.00
67 C/S 442 Side Moldings (missing three pieces, in good to very good cond)
$20.00 each
400/425 NOS Fuel Pump    $50.00
Headlight Doors NOS   $125.00 pr (Cutlass)
(2) 67 Deluxe Full Wheel Covers  $15.00 ea

68 Cutlass/442
68 442 Grille Emblem (Very nice)  $25.00
68 442 Side Emblems (1 set)  $25.00
68 Lower Dash Panel (radio area) black (Mint)  $35.00
68-69 Left Quarter Panel (whole thing to roof, no rust w/inner wheelwell)
$325.00
68-72 Windshield Chrome Trim $45.00 Set
RH Headlight Plastic   $100.00 ea
Headlight Doors    $5.00 ea
Rear Bumper Core    $65.00 (cutlass)
Rear Window Moldings   $40.00 set
(4) 68 Std. Full Wheel Covers  $75.00 set

69 Cutlass/442
Headlight Doors   $50.00 pr
Hood Tongue   $15.00
Hood Hinges   $20.00 pr
LH Tail Light    $20.00
4 Row Radiator Top Plate   $75.00
Black Inner Fenders    $80.00 pr

70 Cutlass/442
70-71 Short Wheelwell Moldings  $100.00 set of 4
70-72 Trunk Chrome Finish Molding  $35.00 ea
70-72 Dash Block Off  $5.00 ea
69-70 442/Cutlass S Hood Louvers $50.00 pr
69-70 442 Cutlass S Hood Louver Bezels $40.00 pr
(1) 69-70 Front Rocket  $10.00
(1) 70 Trunk Lock Rocket (nice)  $10.00
(1) 14x7 HD Steel Wheel  (for dog dish caps) $20.00
Hood Tongue   $20.00 ea
Headlight Doors   $55.00 pr
Hood Hinges  $20.00 pr
442 Post Door Panels   $40.00 pr
Cutlass S Grilles   $50.00 pr
455/425/400  Offenhauser 2-4bbl. low rise intake w/2 carter 550 cfm carbs.
(Complete setup w/ linkage) $350.00
70 Cutlass "S" Side Moldings (set) $135.00
70-72 Power Disc Brake Booster w/ master cyl. $75.00 as is
($135.00 rebuilt & detailed)

72 Cutlass/442
New '72 Main Dash Woodgraining Kit  (around radio area)  $20.00
(4) 72-74 Deluxe Wheel Covers (nice) $50.00 set
Boxed Lower Control Arms  $60.00 pr
Dash Pads (A/C car, 2 black)   $125.00 ea

Misc: 1986/87  88/98 Wire Wheel Covers   $125.00 set

**** New stuff to list****
69 442 Grilles (very good)  $180.00 pr
67 Front Hood Molding (Very nice, no pits)  $60.00
66 F-85/Cutlass Trunk Molding (Nice)  $65.00
66-67 Rear Window molding sets. (Mint) $75.00 set
66 F-85 RH Taillight lens and bucket (Nice) $25.00
66 Cutlass LH Qrt Molding (Nice) $20.00
68 Lower Dash Panel (radio area) black (Mint)  $35.00
RH 70-72 Door 70-71 Cutlass Supreme tabs (complete, rust free)  $100.00
67 C/S Rear Bumper Core (straight, needs chrome)  $65.00
70-71 C/S Short Wheelwell moldings  $100.00 set of 4
66-67 SSI (all chrome) 14x6 Wheels (good cond) $150.00 set of 4
70-71 Cutlass Supreme Side Moldings (nice)  $inquire
65?-70 B&C Body Rear Coil Springs (almost new)  $40.00 pr
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $50.00 pr
12 Bolt Posi Ch*vy Rear 3.73:1 (Posi rebuilt)  $550.00
71-7? 10 Bolt 2.73:1 Open Rear End  $125.00
Rear Hood Molding  $50.00 ea
Cowl/Windshield mouldings  $35.00ea
14x7 SSII Wheel Set (5) (bolt on cap) $200.00 set
14x6 SSIII Wheels (newer snap on cap)  $25.00 ea


P.S.  We have more parts in stock, and more coming! The reproduction
of the 70-72 Cutlass/442 Auto Trans Console Indicator is in. Looks Great.
$24.00 ea.  Let us know if your interested.

Jim Chermack
'70 SX W-32
'72 442
Virginia  Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869

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