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oldsmobile-digest         Thursday, 27 March 1997      Volume 01 : Number 580

Re: FENDER WHEEL MOULDINGS
1992 SCX Achieva for sale
Re: Air Compressor Deal [was Re: Good Welder]
Re: Shift kit
collector's item
Re: 3.73 speedometer gear
Re: collector's item
"Vista Cruiser" script partª
Re: Air Compressor Deal [was Re: Good Welder]
Re: 6 gears to go...was Re:  going to manual from TH-350
Re: collector's item
Re: "Vista Cruiser" script partª
Thanks for the info
61 STARFIRE
61 STARFIRE
Re: Stolen Vehicle Alert
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)
Re: rear window
Re: speedo gears
Re: 3.73 ring gear size
455 Questions
Wonderbar radio FS
Re: rear window
Re: Tachometer question
Re: See my car
Re: 3.73 speedometer gear
Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage
Re: FWD: 64 Cutlass
recommendation on springs needed for Cultass
attaching trim on a 70 cutlass convertible
Re: Shift kit
Re: Shift kit
Re: Wonderbar radio FS
See MY car
Re: "Vista Cruiser" script partª
Fisher Body Manual For Sale (3/27)
Re: See MY car
Re: rear window
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)
Re: recommendation on springs needed for Cultass
Re: speedo gears
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)
EPage Olds
[none]
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)
Re: attaching trim on a 70 cutlass convertible
Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage
Re: trans Cooler
Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage
SS2 wheels
Quarter Window Weatherstrip Replacement
Clarification...was Re: 6 gears to go
Bucket Seats
Re: recommendation on springs needed for Cultass
Alpha One Merchandise
Re: attaching trim on a 70 cutlass convertible
Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:47:28 -0400
Subject: Re: FENDER WHEEL MOULDINGS

05:04 PM 3/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Michael Baugher
>03/26/97 04:04 PM
>
>..Also for a '69 Cutlass while we're talking about them...
>

Michael

        I have a complete set for sale. These are really nice. $200.00 for 4
of them.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: James Pindar <jp@webspan.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 02:32:31 -0400
Subject: 1992 SCX Achieva for sale

White with black interior, new Goodrich 235-60-14's on 5 spoke factory
mags, a/c, air, c/c, 5 speed, power windows; new catalytic converter,
radiator, 83K hiway miles,  located in New Jersey.
I have to sell as the new one is here, I can't afford a third car and I
don't want to just trade it in.
Email at jp@webspan.net or 201-426-4282 and leave a message.

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:56:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Air Compressor Deal [was Re: Good Welder]

> > My shop air is plumbed with 1/2" PCV and it works great. Its cheap easy
to
> > run and will never rust out.
>
> I assume you mean PVC?  Anyway, I hear that you do have to worry about
> it exploding under pressure, but if you have schedule 40 or better, I
> don't think it would be a problem.

PCV--PVC  you know, that white pipe at the lumber yard. Yes, I use schedule
40 and have never had a problem.
Walter

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:56:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Shift kit

At 02:45 PM 3/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
What would be involved if I resealed the transmission? Is this really
tough and expensive? What kind of tranny cooler would you recommend and
where would be the best place to install one? Thanks a lot for the info.!

Andy Geeting


Andy

        Resealing the transmission requires that it be completely tore apart
and all of the rubbuer seals (O-rings) be replaced. If you haven't done this
before I would take it to a tranny shop. They should charge you about
$200.00 to do this service. While they're at it have them put the shift kit
in, they run about $50.00 for the kit. As for the tranny cooler a small to
medium size should work well. DON'T go overboard and get the biggest one you
can find. You don't need it. Make sure all your connection are tight before
starting the car up or you will pump 10 quarts of tranny fluid out pretty
fast. A word to the wise. If you have a cooler on your vehicle now check
it's condition and replace the radiator part if it looks corroded. I know
someone who just lost a $1400.00 tranny due to his cooler collapsing.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 22:48:06 -0400
Subject: collector's item

Has anyone ever heard of an Oldsmobile Zippo lighter?

Danny

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From: docolds@megavision.com (David Vollbracht)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:35:27 -0400
Subject: Re: 3.73 speedometer gear

>John and Elizabeth Gene wrote:
>>
>> Help,
>>      Does anyone know where I can find a speedometer gear that works in a
>> TH200-4R transmission in conjunction with a 3.73 rear end gear set?
>>      I have and appointment to change the rear a week from today and if I
>> can't find out that the right speedometer gear is available then I will
>> have to return it for a 3.42. There is a Buick Grand National listing for
>> that gear set.
>>       Please, if anyone can help me I would greatly appreciate. I don't
>> have to be in possession of the speedometer gear immediately but must know
>> of its existence before the 3.73 gear set is installed.
>>       Thank you for taking the time to read this and any help you may
>>provide.
>> John
>> +================================+
>> | John and Elizabeth Gene        |
>> | mailto:gene@cybernex.net       |
>> | http://www2.cybernex.net/~gene |
>> +================================+
>
>John,
>The H\O (87?) with that tranny used 373 gears.
>Frank
>70 442
>71 442 w30 conv
>72 Cutlass s
>90 LSC
JOHN- THE 1983-4 HURST OLDS USED THE 200R4 TRANSMISSION AND A 3.73 REAR
GEAR.  I THINK THEY MAY HAVE USED AN EXTERNAL REDUCER BUT AS I GET OLDER MY
MEMORY GETS WORSE.  AT ANY RATE I KNOW THAT THIS CAN BE DONE.  GOOD LUCK.
DOC OLDS.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:42:00 -0400
Subject: Re: collector's item

theogns wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever heard of an Oldsmobile Zippo lighter?
>
> Danny

Danny,

I haven't, but what else would you call an Oldsmobile besides Zippo?

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Jim Hoekendijk <jim.hoekendijk@pi.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 02:52:37 -0400
Subject: "Vista Cruiser" script partª

I need new "Vista Cruiser" fender scripts for my 64 VC and want to try
if there is any NOS here in The Netherlands.
Does anybody know the GM partª?

Jim Hoekendijk, 64 Vista Cruiser Cutlass
jim.hoekendijk@pi.net

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 05:24:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Air Compressor Deal [was Re: Good Welder]

At 10:21 PM 3/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>----------
>> From: Robert J. Barry <rbarry@SEQUENT1.PROVIDENCE.EDU>
>> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
>>
>>
>> Oh, speaking of which, I don't have any room to install this in my garage
>> (no room in the ceiling or rafters, either). I was planning on building
>an
>> attached shed for the compressor on the back of the garage, and was
>> wondering on ventilation/insulation schemes that would reduce the noise
>of
>
>
>> One other option that I'd like you opinion on is plumbing a hard air-line
>> between my garage and the basement. I'm going to be digging a trench for
>> some lines to be run out to the garage (220v for a future MIG), and I was
>> considering laying some iron pipe down as well, and putting some air
>> fittings on the end so i can run the compressor in my basement,
>
>My shop air is plumbed with 1/2" PCV and it works great. Its cheap easy to
>run and will never rust out.
>Walter
>

PVC, what a good idea. I would never have thought of that.  I always used
0.50" hard copper, which today isn't so cheap, and while it is easy, not
nearly as easy as plastic.

Thanks for the great idea.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 05:34:02 -0400
Subject: Re: 6 gears to go...was Re:  going to manual from TH-350

At 02:16 PM 3/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Ok, you think the tranmission knows if the clutch is pulled out of
>>engagement or pushed?
>
>I'm having trouble picturing a pull type clutch and a push type clutch.
>Does this refer to the way the linkage connects to the clutch fork or  which
>way the clutch fork need to move to disengage the clutch.  I would think
>that the end of the clutch fork needs to move towards the front of the
>engine to disengage the clutch regardless of the type of trans.    Unless
>not all clutch forks pivot in the bellhousing.
>
>Greg Pruett
>`72 Vista-Cruiser
>`67 Cutlass Supreme
>
>
>
>
Greg,

I'll assume that you are familiar with the 'push type clutch.'  It is by far
the most common.  When you press the clutch pedal, the linkages force the
throwout bearing into the clutch fingers.  The clutch fingers lever the
pressure plate off the driven disk.

In a pull type clutch, the throw out bearing is inside, think of it between
the clutch housing and the flywheel.  When you depress the clutch, the
linkage grabs the T/0 brg and forces it away from the flywheel, ie, towards
the rear of the car, which then; thru the fingers, brings the pressure plate
off the disk.

I think they are a bit more common on large trucks, than cars, but there has
been a spate of them in cars recently.  Large trucks can also have
multi-disk clutches, and while these were once fairly common on cars, I
doubt there were many on cars since WWII.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 05:39:14 -0400
Subject: Re: collector's item

At 06:42 PM 3/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>theogns wrote:
>>
>> Has anyone ever heard of an Oldsmobile Zippo lighter?
>>
>> Danny
>
>Danny,
>
>I haven't, but what else would you call an Oldsmobile besides Zippo?
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>
>
Samantics tonight.  Can't be no such thing as an Oldsmobile Zippo lighter
guys.  Why, Oldsmobile never made Zippo lighters.  The question should be,
has anyone hear of a Zippo lighter adorned by Oldsmobile indicia?

My G.E.D. teacher would be proud tonight.

The Wiz

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 07:35:26 -0400
Subject: Re: "Vista Cruiser" script partª

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Jim Hoekendijk wrote:
> I need new "Vista Cruiser" fender scripts for my 64 VC and want to try
> if there is any NOS here in The Netherlands.
> Does anybody know the GM partª?
>

I just looked in my parts catalog and could not find an entry for these.
It's odd since I also couldn't find an entry for the ones on my '68
either. I was looking in group 8.147 under "script, front fender". Maybe
I was in the wrong place. Can anyone advise?

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: joshstrub@csgnyc1.attmail.com (joshstrub)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:00:54 -0400
Subject: Thanks for the info

I just wanted to thank everyone for the helpful info on the welding equipment.
 I'm going in this weekend to see what I can do in the way of a purchase.
I'll let you know how I progress.

Josh

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From: STLPENS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:26:13 -0400
Subject: 61 STARFIRE

HI
I AM RESTORING A 61 STARFIRE AND AM LOOKING FOR INFORMATION
OR PICTURES OF ENGINE AND ENGINE COMPARTMENT.  I AM ALSO
LOOKING FOR PARTS AND CONTACTS.
THANK YOU

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From: STLPENS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:34:23 -0400
Subject: 61 STARFIRE

I AM RESTORING A 61 STARFIRE AND AM LOOKING FOR INFORMATION OR
PHOTOS OF ENGINE AND ENGINE COMPARTMENT IN ORIGINAL STATE
OR RESTORED TO ORIGINAL STATE.
I AM ALSO INTERESTED IN PARTS AND CONTACTS
THANK YOU.

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:53:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Stolen Vehicle Alert

This message came to me from my web page - I am forwarding to the list for
members in his area and have advised him to list it on Bryceman's page as
well.  Thanks for listening.

SINCE JUNE OF 1989 I HAD OWNED AN EXCELLENT 83 HURST.
IN SEPTEMBER OF '95 IT WAS STOLEN WHILE I WAS VISITING MY
FATHER AT THE FOX CHASE CANCER CENTER IN PHILADELPHIA PA.

THE CAR WAS RECENTLY REDONE THE PREVIOUS YEAR DUE TO A FIRE UNDER THE HOOD.
ME
AND MY FATHER SPENT MANY HOURS RESTORING THIS CAR AND IT MEANT AN AWFUL LOT
TO
ME,ESPECIALLY NOW , SINCE MY FATHER DIED IN OCTOBER OF ''95.

THERE ARE ALOT OF SPECIFIC CHARACTERISTICS THAT MAKE THIS CAR EASILY
RECOGNIZABLE (DUE TO THE FIRE).THEY ARE AS FOLLOWS:

1.THE MAIN ENGINE HARNASS WAS SPLICED TOGETHER APPROX. 1' FROM THE FIREWALL

2. T-TOPS , TILT , CRUISE

3. SOCIAL SECURITY ª INSCRIBED UNDER CHROME AIRCLEANER

4. WHERE THE HEADLAMP SWITCH IS THERE IS THE BLUE FIBER-OPTIC HEADLAMP SWITCH
INDICATOR THAT ALLOWS YOU TO FIND THE SWITCH IN THE DARK. (THIS WAS NOT USED
UNTIL '85, I ADDED THIS)

I STILL HAVE HOPE OF FINDING MY CAR DUE TO THE FACT THAT THERE WERE MORE
EXPENSIVE AND EASIER VEHICLES IN THE PARKING GARAGE THAT COULD HAVE BEEN
STOLEN. WHOEVER STOLE IT KENW WHAT THEY WERE GETTING. IF YOU COULD GET THIS
INFO OUT IN YOUR AREA I WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE IT.

YOU CAN REACH ME AT  jaegerj@MSN.com

THANK YOU.

JOE SPINELLI
811 BLUE SPRING RD.
PRINCETON NJ 08618
(609)683-1497

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 23:57:13 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

Goodness, if there are this many people unfamiliar with what used to be the
old standby three on the tree - how 'bout them funky dash button shifters
outta the old Plymouths etc.  My grandparents had a '58 Plymouth in a 1 car
garage - there was 4" on either side & we used to have to slide down the
side of it to get into the house, first time I saw one of them till my
Grandmothers Rambler.  Now I'm dating myself!


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:02:12 -0400
Subject: Re: rear window

How much do these rear window patch panels run?


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:04:00 -0400
Subject: Re: speedo gears

Someone said that the TH350 trans on the GM g-body and 3.73 reared rear
was the possible correct speedo gear set up. The 3.73 and turbo 350 were
never comboed together. If you had the turbo 350 you had the 3.42 rear. If you
had the 2004R trans you got the 3.73 rear.





=============================================================================
FRank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon sedan..K&N, dohc exhaust..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

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From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:17:00 -0400
Subject: Re: 3.73 ring gear size

Pete- the ring gear size in the 85-87 442's is the 8.5".*Very desireable*
The same one that is in the Grand National. They get $600 for them in any
shape. The SS Monte has the 7.5/7.626" rear. Not nearly as hot as the 8.5"
rear you have.





=============================================================================
FRank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon sedan..K&N, dohc exhaust..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

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From: Matthew Butler <matthewbutler@oscsystems.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:25:27 -0400
Subject: 455 Questions

Howdy All,

I have a technical question about a 455 that is over my head.  Here it is:

My current motor has TRW High compression pistons, which I imagine
are giving me somewhere in the neighborhood or 9.3 -9.5:1 compression.
 So I have been told by some of the folks on the list.  I am using an Elgin
292/320 duration cam that is specified for 10:1 compression or higher.
Bought this cam because I actually believed the advertising.  I would like
to keep the motor on pumped gas 92 - 93 Octane.  Will I feel any
performance difference If I put a milder cam in?  I been told that the lack
of compression possibly can't overcome the overlap in the
Intake/exhaust sharing gases.  Would I be better of to get a cam that
doesn't have as much overlap?

The power range I need is from 2500 - 5500 and I am using an Offy
Tunnel ram with dual quads.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,

Matt Butler
matthewbutler@oscsystems.com

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From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@quix.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:36:42 -0400
Subject: Wonderbar radio FS

>I recently parted out a 1961 98, and one of the items i have left, is the
radio. Complete with knobs, and speaker. $60.00  Nice gauge cluster,a/c
vents also available. For more info,     Mike Aldana at   maldana@quix.net


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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 01:51:19 -0400
Subject: Re: rear window

>I had some problems with my '72 Buick Skylark rear window I just removed
>the window and wire-wheeled the rust then primered and painted the lip
>and about 2" below it   the damage was minor enough that the new window
>seal took care of the dips    if yours is really bad I think that it
>would be fairly easy to patch in another piech of sheetmetal

I've been following this post and I'd like to find out exactly how to take
the window out.  I'd like to clean up under the back glass of my `67, even
though it hasn't rotted through yet.  Do I jut take the G string off my
Hagstrom, force it under the glass through the tar looking goop, and start
sawing?  Or is there something more to the procedure?

Thanks a bunch.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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From: <Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:36:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Tachometer question

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Michael Baugher
03/27/97 08:36 AM

How much do you need out of it, Bill?



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To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:    (bcc: Michael Baugher/MO/americancentury)
Subject:  Re: Tachometer question




Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com wrote:
>
> Michael Baugher
> 03/26/97 02:25 PM
>
> Another Tach question...
>
>      I have a 69 Cutlass S that has the blank plate in the right
>      whole on the dash.  How hard is it to find an
>       original Tic-Tock-Tach?  I'd like to eventually put one in.
>
>      Is there an aftermarket reproduction available?

Michael,

I don't know how hard these are to find or if they are being
reproduced.  I have an extra one I wouldn't mind selling.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama



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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:46:39 -0400
Subject: Re: See my car

Saw the baby and she is pretty.

Chris Sparks
68 442 (Still wounded and not being driven)

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From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:14:29 -0400
Subject: Re: 3.73 speedometer gear

>
> >John and Elizabeth Gene wrote:
> >>
> >> Help,
> >>      Does anyone know where I can find a speedometer gear that works in a
> >> TH200-4R transmission in conjunction with a 3.73 rear end gear set?
> >>      I have and appointment to change the rear a week from today and if I
> >> can't find out that the right speedometer gear is available then I will
> >> have to return it for a 3.42. There is a Buick Grand National listing for
> >> that gear set.
> >>       Please, if anyone can help me I would greatly appreciate. I don't
> >> have to be in possession of the speedometer gear immediately but must
know > >> of its existence before the 3.73 gear set is installed. > >>
Thank you for taking the time to read this and any help you may > >>provide. >
>> John > >> +================================+ > >> | John and Elizabeth Gene
| > >> | mailto:gene@cybernex.net       | > >> |
http://www2.cybernex.net/~gene | > >> +================================+ > >
SNIP_____> >

Have you gotten a response from the GM dealer, I would think that
they would have the right in there computer..

Peter L. House
phouse@feith.com
87 Cutlass Salon
>
>

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From: Jon442@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:25:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage

Their going out of business is going to be a great loss. I have used them and
referred countless people to them. Now what?

Jon Wessel

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From: Doug Ahern <doug@cobra.cosmic.uga.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:26:03 -0400
Subject: Re: FWD: 64 Cutlass

I don't know what month the 442 was intrduced, but it was considered a
3/4 year model ( 1964 3/4),  Motor Trend ran an article in Sept. 64,
so the firsts were probably mid summer.    If this Olds was delivered
on 2/22, I'd say its unlikely  that its 442.

The 442's 330 was rated at 310hp, the Cultass was 290hp.  compression,
pistons, block, heads, intake manifold and carb were indentical between
the 310hp and 290hp models.  I've heard that the cam profile was different,
but I've never seen any hard evidence of this. I think they were the
same engine.  The only new parts introduced on the 442 were the dual snorkel
air cleaner, the rear sway bar, and the emblems.

The  442 air cleaner's base was the same as the single snorkel's base,
so the fact that it is missing the top hints at plain Cultass.   Plain
cutlasses came with 4 row raditors, and could be had with the
extact same configuration as the 442.

a real give away is the rear sway bar, all 442's had them.  check the mounts
on the lower control arms.

The 442 emblems, two on the front fenders, ahead of the wheels, and one
of the right rear trunk lid are the same as the 65's and are in repro,
so the badges can be faked.  The emblems are actually different, but only in
the positioning of the mounting pins...  once on the car, you can't tell
the difference.  In fact, It would be difficult, if not impossible to tell
a fake 64 442 if the correct air cleaner, and sway bar were both inplace.

In any case, 442 or not, it sounds like a really sweet Olds!  I've have
my 64 Cultass for nearly 10 years and I've throughly enjoyed it.  the
64 Cultass/F-85's are fairly hard to find.  living in the atlanta area
and now in athens, I've seen a grand total of 3 other 64's on the road.
Most people (at car shows, the drags, etc)  don't know its an Oldsmobile,
let alone a Cutlass.

Doug Ahern      doug@cosmic.uga.edu  1964 F-85 Cutlass
http://www.cosmic.uga.edu/doug.html  1969 Dart
Sys Admin, COSMIC, Univ. of Georgia  1974 Satellite ex-cop car

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From: Doug Ahern <doug@cobra.cosmic.uga.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 11:36:20 -0400
Subject: recommendation on springs needed for Cultass

I replaced the springs on my 64 cutlass 8 or so years ago, and now they
are show signs of considerable sag and wear.  At the time, I replaced
them with stock rated springs.  I'd like to replace them with heavier
duty, stiffer, springs.  I'm also willing to replace the stock sway
bar to match the spring ratings.   Its a 330 v8, I'd like the new
springs to be rated for a big block car (at minimum).

I was wondering what some member's of this list might be able to
tell me about heavy duty springs for the 64-72's.  info on ratings,
manufacturers, etc. would be useful.

thanks,

Doug Ahern      doug@cosmic.uga.edu  1964 F-85 Cutlass
http://www.cosmic.uga.edu/doug.html  1969 Dart
Sys Admin, COSMIC, Univ. of Georgia  1974 Satellite ex-cop car

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From: Jim Lyons <jimbo@ti.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:11:39 -0400
Subject: attaching trim on a 70 cutlass convertible

I am about to have my cutlass painted and have been taking the trim off
myself. Now I know why it will save me some money, it is quite a pain to get
some of the stuff off. Now I am wondering if there may be an easier way to
attach some of the hard to reach stuff. Anybody have any suggestions?

thanks,
Jim

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From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:40:34 -0400
Subject: Re: Shift kit

At 11:56 PM 3/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 02:45 PM 3/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>What would be involved if I resealed the transmission? Is this really
>tough and expensive? What kind of tranny cooler would you recommend and
>where would be the best place to install one? Thanks a lot for the info.!
>
>Andy Geeting
>
>
>Andy
>
>        Resealing the transmission requires that it be completely tore apart
>and all of the rubbuer seals (O-rings) be replaced. If you haven't done this
>before I would take it to a tranny shop. They should charge you about
>$200.00 to do this service. While they're at it have them put the shift kit
>in, they run about $50.00 for the kit. As for the tranny cooler a small to
>medium size should work well. DON'T go overboard and get the biggest one you
>can find. You don't need it. Make sure all your connection are tight before
>starting the car up or you will pump 10 quarts of tranny fluid out pretty
>fast. A word to the wise. If you have a cooler on your vehicle now check
>it's condition and replace the radiator part if it looks corroded. I know
>someone who just lost a $1400.00 tranny due to his cooler collapsing.
>
>Jim Chermack
>70 Cutlass SX W-32
>72 442
>
>
>
 How do I know if I have a cooler on there now? Do cars come from the
factory with trans. coolers or are these just aftermarket set-ups? Thanks!

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

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From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:01:25 -0400
Subject: Re: Shift kit

SNIP-----> >
> >
> >
>  How do I know if I have a cooler on there now? Do cars come from the
> factory with trans. coolers or are these just aftermarket set-ups? Thanks!
>
> Andy Geeting
> '87 Cutlass Supreme
> '88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
> '74 Delta 88 convertible
> '78 Caprice wagon
> '36 Plymouth coupe
>
>
>
>
In my Salon (87) the transmission cooler is in the pass. side of
the radiator where the lines go, When I installed my cooler I put
it in front of A/C condensor but not in front of the cooler built
into the radiator. The main reason I installed it was because I
used to pull a 2500 lb. gross trailer, and I did not want the trans
to overheat when I was pulling a heavy load..

Peter L. House
'87 Cutlass Salon
phouse@feith.com

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:01:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Wonderbar radio FS

Mike
  Does this include the floor button? If so I'm interested



Everett OCAª 1961

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:57:31 -0400
Subject: See MY car

Well y'all, I've finally gotten things together and sent off some scans of
my car to Bryceman and he's gotten them up on his page (THANKS BRYCE).
Everyone go take a look at Lucille at http://www.442.com/pierce.html
Tell me what you think.  Oh yeah, disregard the part in the pictures about
the mountains, I'll have to fix that, Bryce had to trim the mountains out
of the picture.  If you do want to see a picture of the mountains (taken
from my driveway) see
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/mountains.jpg
and I also posted a small picture of my '72 Mercury w/ 429
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/bomb1.jpg
Tell me what you think.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
The ***OFFICIAL*** Editor of the Olds FAQ
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

Get a copy of the Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com
http://www.en.com/users/thall
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Or FTP a "zipped" version from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds.

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:28:44 -0400
Subject: Re: "Vista Cruiser" script partª

Hi Jim
  Part number for Vista Cruiser 1964


   Vista  384284 RH
            384285 LH

  Cruiser 384286 RH
              384287 LH

Group 8.147  67 issue book


Hope this helps


Everett

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:51:46 -0400
Subject: Fisher Body Manual For Sale (3/27)

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to
sell:

1979 Fisher Body Service Manual for E-Bodied (Toronado, Eldorado,
Riviera) cars.  Very good condition.  $13.00, including Priority Mail
shipping to any address in the United States. (3/27/97)

Please notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to
purchase this item or if you would like additional information about
it.  Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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From: <Michael_Baugher@americancentury.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 12:39:18 -0400
Subject: Re: See MY car

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From: Michael Baugher on 03/27/97 11:39 AM

Hi Clayton

I just checked out your car.  Beautiful!  Mine's on Bryceman's page also if
you want to check it out.
It's nothing special (other than it's an Olds, which is special
enough!)....Anyway, it's Michael Baugher's 69 Cutlass S Convertible...

Lot's of nice cars out there.



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To:   oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
cc:    (bcc: Michael Baugher/MO/americancentury)
Subject:  See MY car




Well y'all, I've finally gotten things together and sent off some scans of
my car to Bryceman and he's gotten them up on his page (THANKS BRYCE).
Everyone go take a look at Lucille at http://www.442.com/pierce.html
Tell me what you think.  Oh yeah, disregard the part in the pictures about
the mountains, I'll have to fix that, Bryce had to trim the mountains out
of the picture.  If you do want to see a picture of the mountains (taken
from my driveway) see
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/mountains.jpg
and I also posted a small picture of my '72 Mercury w/ 429
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/bomb1.jpg
Tell me what you think.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
The ***OFFICIAL*** Editor of the Olds FAQ
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

Get a copy of the Oldsmobile Mailing List FAQ 3.0 at:
http://www.442.com
http://www.en.com/users/thall
http://www.cybercity.hko.net/ulan_bator/gee/oldsfaq/oldsfaq3.htm

Or FTP a "zipped" version from:
ftp://arl.arizona.edu/lists/olds.




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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:02:35 -0400
Subject: Re: rear window

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, James Thingwold wrote:

> How much do these rear window patch panels run?

They're listed at $79 in Fusick's catalog.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:10:40 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, James Thingwold wrote:
> Goodness, if there are this many people unfamiliar with what used to be the
> old standby three on the tree - how 'bout them funky dash button shifters
> outta the old Plymouths etc.  My grandparents had a '58 Plymouth in a 1 car
> garage - there was 4" on either side & we used to have to slide down the
> side of it to get into the house, first time I saw one of them till my
> Grandmothers Rambler.  Now I'm dating myself!

Lisa, there definitely is a generation gap here -- and I never considered
myself old until now! :) Today I took the Cutlass out for the first time
in weeks -- finally got a break in the weather and I'm finally getting
over my flu -- and when I was filling it with gas, a guy in his early 20s
and his g/f walked by and stopped to admire the car. "Is that a 1958
model?" he asked. Well, he was only out by 10 years. I never had confused
a '58 with a '68 before... but he had no clue. Then I hear him whisper to
his g/f, "See, that's a muscle machine!". Well, at least that part made me
feel good... :)

No real criticism of the fellow intended, I suppose it's understandable.
But it illustrates that those of us who grew up in the 60s and 70s are
indeed now middle-aged... :(

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
(who learned to drive in a 3-on-the-tree...)

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:12:49 -0400
Subject: Re: recommendation on springs needed for Cultass

On Thu, 27 Mar 1997, Doug Ahern wrote:
> I was wondering what some member's of this list might be able to
> tell me about heavy duty springs for the 64-72's.  info on ratings,
> manufacturers, etc. would be useful.
>

Doug, I don't know if this is directly compatible with your Cutlass, but
a couple of years ago I was looking to replace the springs on my '64
Skylark and there were only one replacement type available from TRW. No
choice of h/d vs. standard, or even air and non-air. Hope you have more luck.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:12:33 -0400
Subject: Re: speedo gears

At 10:04 AM 3/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Someone said that the TH350 trans on the GM g-body and 3.73 reared rear
>was the possible correct speedo gear set up. The 3.73 and turbo 350 were
>never comboed together. If you had the turbo 350 you had the 3.42 rear. If
you >had the 2004R trans you got the 3.73 rear. > > > > >
>=============================================================================
>FRank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan.. >
K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver) >        65 El Camino..327/300,
black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car) >        95 Plymouth Neon
sedan..K&N, dohc exhaust..(wifes car) >        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd
4x4..v-10..(company truck)
>============================================================================= 
> >
Does a TH200 use a different speedo drive gear than the TH350?

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:11:41 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

At 11:57 PM 3/26/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Goodness, if there are this many people unfamiliar with what used to be the
>old standby three on the tree - how 'bout them funky dash button shifters
>outta the old Plymouths etc.  My grandparents had a '58 Plymouth in a 1 car
>garage - there was 4" on either side & we used to have to slide down the
>side of it to get into the house, first time I saw one of them till my
>Grandmothers Rambler.  Now I'm dating myself!
>
>
>Lisa Madsen
>
>Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
>project
>
>Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com
>
>My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/
>
>
AT least when you're dating yourself, you can be assured of good company.

Anon. I

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:21:04 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

At 02:10 PM 3/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Mar 1997, James Thingwold wrote:
>> Goodness, if there are this many people unfamiliar with what used to be the
>> old standby three on the tree - how 'bout them funky dash button shifters
>> outta the old Plymouths etc.  My grandparents had a '58 Plymouth in a 1 car
>> garage - there was 4" on either side & we used to have to slide down the
>> side of it to get into the house, first time I saw one of them till my
>> Grandmothers Rambler.  Now I'm dating myself!
>
>Lisa, there definitely is a generation gap here -- and I never considered
>myself old until now! :) Today I took the Cutlass out for the first time
>in weeks -- finally got a break in the weather and I'm finally getting
>over my flu -- and when I was filling it with gas, a guy in his early 20s
>and his g/f walked by and stopped to admire the car. "Is that a 1958
>model?" he asked. Well, he was only out by 10 years. I never had confused
>a '58 with a '68 before... but he had no clue. Then I hear him whisper to
>his g/f, "See, that's a muscle machine!". Well, at least that part made me
>feel good... :)
>
>No real criticism of the fellow intended, I suppose it's understandable.
>But it illustrates that those of us who grew up in the 60s and 70s are
>indeed now middle-aged... :(
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
>(who learned to drive in a 3-on-the-tree...)
>
>
>
Greg,

I think you've just about discovered that all 'old cars' are Model "Ts" and
all general aviation, single engined airplanes are Piper Cubs.

The Wiz

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:36:40 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

Greg Beaulieu wrote:

> No real criticism of the fellow intended, I suppose it's understandable.
> But it illustrates that those of us who grew up in the 60s and 70s are
> indeed now middle-aged... :(

Hey. Hey. Now watch it!  Who are you calling middle age? :o  Ok I'll
admit
it.  I am middle aged (35).  It is sad when a person knows the words to
Super Chicken, George of the Jungle, Tom Slick, Speed Racer, Brady
Bunch,
and Partridge Family.  Help! Help!....

Just a little fun.

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: "blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 14:57:55 -0400
Subject: EPage Olds

Went poking around on the net last night and came across some Olds ads.

These came from EPage Classifieds


Ad ª ca39654
1965 442 coupe, auto, A/C, maroon.  Solid project car ready for frameoff
resto.  Complete minus motor, trans, and front bumper.  White buckets, auto
console, tach.  No rust except for trunk.  Located near Wichita, KS.
$1500.
- ----------------
Ad ª ca39583
1969 Delta 88 custom 2 dr.  455, TH400, tilt, rear def., pwr. trunk, 60K
orig. miles, yellow w/black top & black interior.  $1800 firm
Contact Joe at (802)365-4479
- ----------------
Ad ª ca37423
1968 Olds Cutlass Conv.  34K actual documented miles.  In storage since
1988.  Auto, A/C, AM-FM, PS, PB, Rally wheels.  Canary Yellow w/white top,
black vinyl int.  Drives like new.  $8950.00  (501)228-4744

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From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:01:50 -0400
Subject: [none]

unsubscribe oldsmobile-digest

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From: tchurchill@draper.com (Timothy A. Churchill)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:08:31 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

> Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> > No real criticism of the fellow intended, I suppose it's understandable.
> > But it illustrates that those of us who grew up in the 60s and 70s are
> > indeed now middle-aged... :(

Chris Sparks responds:
>
> Hey. Hey. Now watch it!  Who are you calling middle age? :o  Ok I'll
> admit it.  I am middle aged (35).  It is sad when a person knows the words
> to Super Chicken, George of the Jungle, Tom Slick, Speed Racer, Brady
> Bunch, and Partridge Family.  Help! Help!....

Whaddaya mean, old?? Aren't all of those movies that are due out this
summer?!?

:) :) :)  Plus, I'm 37, does that mean I should be receiving AARP?

And don't forget:  Johnny Quest, Space Ghost, Astro Boy, Courageous Cat,
the Rankin-Bass Beatle cartoons, and the theme songs "King Kong, ten times
as big as a man...", "It's about time, it's about space..."

And to sort of bring it back on topic:  I had mentioned that old *4* on the
tree Mercedes I once had... I also had a '63 Valiant with the world famous
push-button automatic; okay, "park" wasn't a button, it was a little lever
you slid across, but...



Tim (Gonna be Almost 70F in Boston Tomorrow!!) Churchill
- -------------
'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:20:52 -0400
Subject: Re: attaching trim on a 70 cutlass convertible

Jim Lyons wrote:
>
> I am about to have my cutlass painted and have been taking the trim off
myself. > Now I know why it will save me some money, it is quite a pain to get
some of > the stuff off. Now I am wondering if there may be an easier way to
attach some > of the hard to reach stuff. Anybody have any suggestions? > >
thanks, > Jim

Jim,

I always attach the cast stuff w/the posts that go through holes in the
body w/silicone instead of using the stamped nuts.  I don't like the way
that these can move around & cause rust the way the factory attached
them.  They are also often times impossible to attach or remove w/the
body panels in place.  This will not work where there needs to be
pressure put on the trim to "bend" it into place.

Don't put a lot of silicone on the part.  I just put a small dab on the
posts & any flat spots available on the trim.  I try not to let it
squeeze out any so that it shows.  It can be removed easily if the need
arises too.

The kinds w/the metal clips are troublesome.  The clips get rusted &
have other problems.  These can be replaces w/nylon like fasteners.
Body shops have access to universal ones that do a wonderful job & come
in all sizes & shapes.  These also have the advantage of not scratching
the pait & causing rust.
Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: adamco@infowest.com (Monson)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:34:59 -0400
Subject: Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage

>Michael Baugher
>03/26/97 01:27 PM
>
>     For anyone who knows Halls in Soldier Kansas, or planned to go out
>there for parts,
>     I have just been informed, and verified through the owner at Halls,
>that today is
>     their official last day in business.  A crusher (I cringe when I hear
>the word) has
>     bought everything as of today.  They will continue to sell parts off
>the cars until
>      they are all crushed.  There were thousands of cars from what I
>understand.
>
>     A moment of silence for all those beautiful parts cars......

Please, tell me if you have a 53' Olds Rear Window.  I'm getting desperate.
I would hate to see one go to waste.  I hope I'm not to late.

Please Reply!!!

Youngin'

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:28:44 -0400
Subject: Re: trans Cooler

Andy Geeting wrote:
>
>
> >
> >
> >
>  How do I know if I have a cooler on there now? Do cars come from the
> factory with trans. coolers or are these just aftermarket set-ups? Thanks!
>
> Andy Geeting

Andy,

If yopu have lines going from the transmission to the lower part of the
radiator, that is your stock transmission cooler.  If the lines have
been diverted to a remote cooler (looks like a miniature radiator)
located somewhere around the front of the radiator, that is the
aftermarket type that you are interested in.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: adamco@infowest.com (Monson)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:53:30 -0400
Subject: Re: Halls Oldsmobile Salvage

>Michael Baugher
>03/26/97 01:27 PM
>
>     For anyone who knows Halls in Soldier Kansas, or planned to go out
>there for parts,
>     I have just been informed, and verified through the owner at Halls,
>that today is
>     their official last day in business.  A crusher (I cringe when I hear
>the word) has
>     bought everything as of today.  They will continue to sell parts off
>the cars until
>      they are all crushed.  There were thousands of cars from what I
>understand.
>
>     A moment of silence for all those beautiful parts cars......

Please, tell me if you have a 53' Olds Rear Window.  I'm getting desperate.
I would hate to see one go to waste.  I hope I'm not to late.

Please Reply!!!

Youngin'

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From: Steven LaCrosse <lacrosse@frontiernet.net>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:31:57 -0400
Subject: SS2 wheels

I am trying to find a set of five SS2 wheels for a 1969 442. I believe
these wheels should be 14 X 7 and painted silver. Please e-mail or call
(716) 394-5271. Thank you.

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:52:41 -0400
Subject: Quarter Window Weatherstrip Replacement

Last night on IRC we got to talking about replacing weatherstrip and
someone asked me to post the results when I did mine. I just finished
doing the quarter window w/s earlier today and it wasn't too tough. There
were a couple of tricks, though.

The old w/s was really hard and brittle, more like bakelite than rubber.
At first I couldn't budge it from the metal channel on the glass and
couldn't figure out why. I discovered that there is a small screw at the
bottom of the channel and I had always figured it was there to hold the
channel itself in place, but once I took it out I realized it actually
held the w/s on the channel. The old stuff then slid out easily.

The replacement w/s didn't have the hole for the screw and since it has a
metal insert under the rubber I didn't go to the trouble of drilling it.
The factory held the w/s in with the screw at the bottom and a small dab
of w/s adhesive at the top. I used the adhesive at both top and bottom
since I wasn't using the screw. I was able to slide one of the w/s in with
no trouble at all, but the other one really fought going up the last
couple of inches.  I think I may have had the curve of the w/s not quite
right (the stuff takes a "set" in storage and doesn't match the original
curvature exactly when you unwrap it) but with a little muscle power it
went in place.

Looking at the original stuff I'm amazed it sealed at all. The new w/s is
very flexy and you can see the seal it makes to the glass. Hopefully
there will be no leaks when I wash the car next time. Time consumed,
approximately 30 minutes, an easy job once you figured out how the old
stuff was held in place. Don't be afraid to give this job a try.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:56:12 -0400
Subject: Clarification...was Re: 6 gears to go

> >6th for the aftermarket version).  A used OE tranny would be fairly
> >inexpensive, but unfortunatly, they come with a digital spedo setup, and a
> >Corvette style pull clutch.  The aftermarket version is pretty expensive,
> >but it comes with a gear driven spedo, and is designed to be used in 3rd
> >gen Camaros and Mustangs, so it uses the usual push style clutch.  The


> Ok, you think the tranmission knows if the clutch is pulled out of
> engagement or pushed?
>
> That's interesting information that hasn't reached Missouri yet, and cars
> will likly be obsolete by the time it reaches Montana.

I honestly don't know if you made the above comment in jest,
but I find it rather insulting.  When you make such a comment, it's
common etiquite to indicate that it was just a joke and should be taken
that way.
The point you make about a clutch/bellhousing/etc not caring if
it is a push or a pull style is exactly true.  I guess the only reason I
brought it up was that in one of the original posts, the owner of the car
installing the ZF went to the trouble of making a Frankenstein Corvette
bellhousing (and thus used the pull setup) and (if I remember correctly)
he used a BOP-Chevy adapter to bolt the bellhousing to the engine.  If
someone bought a junkyard T-56, and planned on doing the same thing (and
got the the stock bellhousing and clutch with it), they would
find a compatability problem between their exsisting mechcanical clutch
and the hydraulic, pull style setup.  My point was that in buying the
aftermarket version of the T-56, you don't even need to worry about that,
or the digital speedometer it might have, since it comes with an adapter
plate to bolt it to a differnt bellhousing.  And just to be perfectly
clear, I'm not implying that a machine shop (or even a semi-tallented
individual) could'nt fabricate the same type of adapter, only that it
would'nt be nessicary if you sprung for the aftermarket tranny.



>
> The input shaft length to clutch data indicated above is totally in error.
> The input shaft much reach the pilot bearing at the rear of the crank, the
> clutch has no bearing on this dimension.

Actually, that is the exact dimension I was refering to.  I guess
next time I'll be more specific so you can understand the point I'm
making.  I apologize for my obvious error in not being as specific as
possible in my description of this dimension.  I simply assumed that most
people who would be concerned with this type of information would probibly
have enough of a general knowledge to know what I was refering to.  Don't
worry Wizz, it won't happen again.


> You can fairly well mix and match within the above guide lines.  It is not
> absolutely necessary to use the pull type clutch just because it was
> delivered from the factory with one.

Very true, but if you got one with your junkyard tranny and
planned on using it, there would be obvious problems.  That was my point.
Sorry it did'nt get across.

Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: Mr.Soul@ix.netcom.com
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 16:56:44 -0400
Subject: Bucket Seats

Does anyone know which seats and center counsole would work well in a
1988 Cutlass Supreme with a 60/40 split bench? Would any buckets be
adaptable?

Thanks for any advice.

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From: Oldoldsguy@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:06:45 -0400
Subject: Re: recommendation on springs needed for Cultass

Most of the major players offer custom made exact replacement coils for your
car. Some, like Brothers, lists availability of heavy duty on request.  Hope
this helps.

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:12:51 -0400
Subject: Alpha One Merchandise

I called Alpha One today to order a couple of the Olds anniversary items
that were shown in the brochure they sent people who registered for the
Centennial info a while back. If you want this stuff anytime soon you
might want to order it now. I wanted a shirt: my ª1 choice was on
backorder until May, ª2 on backorder until June. I wanted a cap: it too
was on backorder but was expected in a week or two. I ordered some of the
Olds logo golf balls: Amy, the lady who took my order, said she had
started out with 5500 dozen (that's a *lot* of balls) and had 11 dozen
left. Guess a lot of Olds dealers will be doing golf ball giveaways this
year (or just playing a lot of golf).

Anyway, Amy was very helpful and I decided to live with the backorders
and wait for my stuff. Just thought some of you might be interested.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: Oldoldsguy@aol.com
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:11:03 -0400
Subject: Re: attaching trim on a 70 cutlass convertible

In a message dated 3/27/97 7:43:10 PM, you wrote:

<<I always attach the cast stuff w/the posts that go through holes in the
body w/silicone instead of using the stamped nuts.>>
my .02:
Be sure to use "non-corrosive" silicone.  (try an auto glass shop)  Regular
silicone is very corrosive and will eat right through the sheetmetal if the
wrong type is used!  Hope this helps....

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:11:03 -0400
Subject: Re: column shifters, (kind of N/O)

At 02:36 PM 3/27/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
>> No real criticism of the fellow intended, I suppose it's understandable.
>> But it illustrates that those of us who grew up in the 60s and 70s are
>> indeed now middle-aged... :(
>
>Hey. Hey. Now watch it!  Who are you calling middle age? :o  Ok I'll
>admit
>it.  I am middle aged (35).  It is sad when a person knows the words to
>Super Chicken, George of the Jungle, Tom Slick, Speed Racer, Brady
>Bunch,
>and Partridge Family.  Help! Help!....
>
>Just a little fun.
>
>Chris Sparks
>68 442
>
>
Chris,

I have it on GOOD athority that middle aged is 15 years older than you are,
so alas, you're about 1.5 decades away.

The Wiz

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