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oldsmobile-digest         Wednesday, 12 March 1997      Volume 01 : Number 557

3/11 Quad4 Cap & Hat Pin Set For Sale
BB Head modifications
Re: Fuel Pump
My $.02 on oil plugs for rear-end
Dipstick Tube/ Motor mounts/Oiling System
Re: Subject: Re: T-3 Inquiry
Re: '77 Olds 442
Re: Accident
RE: BB Head modifications
Re: Finally, Olds content in Car Craft
Re: GM RPO books for free
Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
Re: Dipstick Tube/ Motor mounts/Oiling System
Apollo HEI distributor factoid
Axles and oil seals
Re: jack color for '69
Re: seat cover mfrers?
Re: W31 455 motor for sale
Re: GM RPO books for free
Re: BB Head modifications
Re: Dipstick Tube/ Motor mounts/Oiling System
Re: '77 Olds 442
Re: GM RPO books for free
Re: More Timing Q's
RE: BB Head modifications
WANTED: 1956 windshield
10 sec. 70 cutlass
Re: Dipstick Tube/ Motor mounts/Oiling System
Re: Dipstick Tube/ Motor mounts/Oiling System
Re: 10 sec. 70 cutlass
anyone have a phone number for HEDDMANN HEDDERS?
Re: 3/11 Quad4 Cap & Hat Pin Set For Sale
Re: 1987 Calais GT
More from a 307?
trunk material for '57
Re: anyone have a phone number for HEDDMANN HEDDERS?
Re: More from a 307?
Re: GM RPO books for free
Re: Dipstick Tube/ Motor mounts/Oiling System
BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS
Re: Well wishes and aol
Hot New Parts
Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS
Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS
Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS
Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS
Re: paint/body work in DFW area ??
Re: Axles and oil seals and geting the plug out
Re: anyone have a phone number for HEDDMANN HEDDERS?
Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS
Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS
Re: Apollo HEI distributor factoid
Re: Subject: Re: T-3 Inquiry
RE: GM RPO book
Refinishing?? Black Door and Trunk Locks
Re: paint/body work in DFW area ??
Re: Apollo HEI distributor factoid
Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS
Insurance
Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS
Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS
Re: '77 Olds 442
Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS
RE: Insurance

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From: "Thomas Stoner" <tgstoner@mailgw2.pmr.med.umich.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:01:07 -0400
Subject: 3/11 Quad4 Cap & Hat Pin Set For Sale

I have the following Oldsmobile related item which I would like to
sell:

Oldsmobile racing cap and hat pin set.  Cap is red solid back with
"Oldsmobile Quad4" embroidered in white and black.  Pin is silvery
metal "Quad" superimposed over "4", with black accents.  Like new, as
given to SCCA racers in 1989.  $20.00, including shipping to
addresses in the United States. (3/11/97)

Please notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to
purchase this item or if you would like additional information about
it.  Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, MI                     |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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From: Matthew Butler <matthewbutler@oscsystems.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:26:28 -0400
Subject: BB Head modifications

Howdy All!!!

I am thinking about pulling my heads off and would like to try my hand at
some head work.  I would like to get some better flow and would also like
to attempt the work myself.  What sort of advice & resources are a good
place to start.

Thanks,

Matt Butler

BTW - I have C heads if there is any specific things that I should do to
them.

------------------------------

From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:39:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Fuel Pump

David and everyone else-
I just checked my 1996 Federal Mogul parts catalog and they list Carter fuel
pumps in there.  The number you need is M6109 which is for 1970-71
Cutlass/Cutlass Supreme 350 A/C w/vapor return line.  Incidently, this is also
 the same pump for 1979-80 Cutlass Supreme w/350, 1979 Cutlass w/350, 1973-74
 Cutlass/Cutlass Supreme 350 4bbl w/AC, 1977 Cutlass/Cutlass Supreme w/403,
1973-76 Cutlass w/455, 1970-72 Cutlass 455 w/AC, 1975-76 Cutlass Supreme 455
and finally 1970-74 442 w/455.  The other part number which covers pretty much
 anything not listed above (Olds wise) is M6108.  If you really want a Carter
 fuel pump I may be able to get you one, although it may take a week or two
as I just moved into a house and still trying to find out what went where and
which b ox is it in.  I'll get prices from my source for both part numbers and
post it as soon as I know.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback

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From: Eric <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:38:36 -0400
Subject: My $.02 on oil plugs for rear-end

Hello, all new to the list I am, and I stumbled upon people talking about
rear-end oil plugs, I think.  I happen to have a favourite way of doing
this, it's not a new idea, but it works.  Simply weld a 3/8" short bolt
into the plug and use a 9/16 socket/wrachet or wrench to take it in/out.
BTW, it's a bit cramped, but usually you can weld the bolt on with the
plug in place, then clean it up, weld it good later.  Then, for thos of
us who own cars long past their expected lifespan, you can easily remove
it the next time.




EA




.
75 olds cutlass, 76 olds 98, 74 olds cutlass (mostly rusty, all running)

------------------------------

From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:54:02 -0400
Subject: Dipstick Tube/ Motor mounts/Oiling System

  How in the world does a person possibly get the dipstick tube out of the
cylinder block in one piece on an Olds 455.  I haven't really really tried to
get mine out yet
but it is painfully obvious that im going to have to remove it in order to
install my headders, and just for curiositys' sake what color is it supposed
to be, mine has the appearance of galvanized steel thats beginning to get
surface rust --- I don't think
it's ever been painted.

  My second question is if any body has any brand names or part numbers for
the
engine mounts to use when swapping out a 67 330 for a 70 455.  I really don't
feel like arguing with the counter people at my local parts place -- just
wanna get my stuff
and get out.

  This last question is for anybody out there who races Olds engines  ---
 When i was running my 330 in the Olds i was just barely turning 5000 rpm
going through the lights with the 4.33:1 gears --- i have a definite feeling
that the 455 is going to be going considerably faster in the lights.  I
haven't torn the engine all of the way down,
but i am installing a set of oil restricted pushrods and am planning on
running an extra quart of oil in the pan --- Will this help the engine live
if i set my rev limiter to
5500 rpm, or should i save my money and and wait to install Mondellos'
 oiling system except for the main gallery restrictors ( the tranny is still
hooked to the engine).  Any info would be helpful.

        Thanks,
                       J2RKT@aol.com



------------------------------

From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:44:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: T-3 Inquiry

>And there is still the dead-center rock hole that can't be fixed!

Whoops; sorry, forgot to address that part.

1) Remove the lens from another T-3 headlamp; make sand-casting impression
   of its lens; reattach lens to this second headlamp; recharge with gas and
   reinstall on neighbor's car.

2) Remove damaged lens from T-3 headlamp; place over sand-casting impression
   made in step (1); fill hole with molten glass

3) Allow to cool; polish; reattach to headlamp.

        NOTE: You may want to install a new filament at this time.

4) Recharge headlamp with gas; reinstall.

Next question, please!

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:41:54 -0400
Subject: Re: '77 Olds 442

On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Chris Kugler wrote:

> Does anyone else own a 1977 442 or a similar year like a '76?
> If so write back.
>
> Chris Kugler
>
> talcarol@erie.net
>
A friend of mine has one, actually it used to belong to his brother, who
began the restoration before being killed in an accident (in a ch*vy, go
figure...)  The car's since been painted a deep teal green, with black
stripes and decals.  Sharp looking car, but was poorly finished.  The kid
lives about 300 miles away, now, so I don't see much of him.  He still has
never found correct grilles for it, but I'm keeping an ear open for it.
He recently picked up a 69 Cutlass and a 76 Cutlass (both 2drs) so at
least his tastes are still in the right place!  :)

No fancy sig file today, I'm switching from SLIP to PPP and opened up a
~big~ can of worms doing so.  I've been stuck at text-only for a week
now:(

Charley Buehner
  ---The only thing more painful than learning from experience
       is not learning from experience.

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:01:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Accident

Well, Chris.  I don't think I've had a chance to address this for you yet
(I miss my ~functional~ internet)  but good luck and sorry to hear about
the tragic crippling of the family member...  Even with my recent Nestle
Crunch episode, I still can't say that I know what it's like, 'cuz mine's
still fully functional--it just looks rough.  I hope the insurance company
treats you well.  It'd be nice if ~everyone~ on the road actually had the
good insurance they are required to have...  Good luck, and don't let 'em
use the "T" Word.  Tell them that it isn't even in your vocabulary and
it better not be in theirs, either.  On the list of acceptible speech it
lands about three spaces below "ch*vy."  If you have to, play the old
squeaky wheel game.  As childish as it is, it still is one of the most
affective ways of getting money.

Regardless, good luck...

Charley Buehner



On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> Went to doctor on Friday and found out that I did get a little hurt
> as a result of the accident.  It seems my back did get a little
> wrenched and I do have a mild whiplash.  I guess I never realized how
> important head rests/shoulder harnesses are!  I am not in treatment and
> hope that this whole nightmare will soon end.
>
> On the car front:  Mr. Nakasone (the driver of the car that started
> this whole mess) claims no responsibility.  I guess I could have
> figured that one out.  I was talking with his agent on Friday and
> he wanted to see my car.  I gave him a one chance look at the car.
> I brought it to the dealer and is on display today (Monday) only.
> He better get a good look....  It saddens me to look at the damage.
>
> Accordingly to agent, he says that noone would probably find me at
> fault.  However, those are words I have heard before.  I guess that
> since I am low man on the totem pole with regards to insurance, they'll
> probably try to screw around with me.  We'll see...
>
> Later....
>
> Chris Sparks
> 68 442
>

------------------------------

From: Chris Urban <urbanch@magi.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:37:12 -0400
Subject: RE: BB Head modifications

The Olds head can gain about 80% of its total potential flow by matching =
ports on intake and exghaust side ( yes grind out those headers), =
removing EGR hump in the exghaust port, clean up of the bowl area behind =
the valve seat and teardropping or at least narrowing the valve guides. =
Any further porting should be left to someone with more experience as =
flow can be just as easily reduced as increased.

- ----------
From: Matthew Butler[SMTP:matthewbutler@oscsystems.com]
Sent: March 11, 1997 1:26 PM
To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
Subject: BB Head modifications

Howdy All!!!

I am thinking about pulling my heads off and would like to try my hand =
at
some head work.  I would like to get some better flow and would also =
like
to attempt the work myself.  What sort of advice & resources are a good
place to start.

Thanks,

Matt Butler

BTW - I have C heads if there is any specific things that I should do to
them.

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:13:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Finally, Olds content in Car Craft

On Mon, 10 Mar 1997, Easton,Jeffrey wrote:

> I was amazed to see an article in the new issue of Car Craft
> on restoring your OAI air cleaner assembly...
>
> ...until I got to the part where they applied the non-OAI
> silver 455 Rocket decal in the flapper lid assembly, with a caption
> stating that it was optional for OAI cars...
>
> Several of the pictures do clearly show the 3/8" hole in the lip of the
> snorkle, that was discussed here awhile back.
>
> -Jeff
>

I was amused at the restoration of the air cleaner lid, though.  I'm not
familiar with the OAI setup (I've never seen one in ~real~ life) but I
have a strong asssumption that the lid they show being restored has ~no~
place in an OAI setup.  Am I right?  The '71 GS on the cover ~really~ got
my attention, but I wasn't suprised to find that it wasn't even in the
book.  I liked the '69 GS article, tho.  Quoting, here... "Often drowned
in a sea of small-block ch*vys, it's the 350, 400, and 455 engines of the
Buick, Olds, and Pontiac persuasion that provide a welcome break from the
same 'ol small-block ch*vy stew."   Wow!  What magazine is this?
(flipping cover back over again...)  Wow!  (Starts paging through it
again, just to see if maybe they put the wrong cover on...  Oh, here we
go, look at this body section.  Look at all those cam*ros.  How did those
Olds and Buick articles get in there...)  Well, maybe there's still
hope...

Oh, look at that firebird.  Anyone suprised to see a 454 in it?  I didn't
think so....

Charley Buehner
---still SLIPless...

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:22:37 -0400
Subject: Re: GM RPO books for free

SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK wrote:
>
> Heres the deal of the century- Call (800) 222-1010 which is the

1-800-222-1020....

> Chevrolet info line. Go thru all the recorded stuff and get to a
> live person. Tell em you want a free copy of the GM Production
> Options book.

Yupper.  Takes about two weeks to get.  Good luck.

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:57:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

At 07:42 PM 3/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm not getting the olds news letter anymore can someone write me and let
>me know what's going on with the list!!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!
>Thanks
>
>On Sat, 1 Mar 1997, Jonah Kadish wrote:
>
>> I was wondering if you can get a hold of some chrome trim for a 1964
>> dynamic 88.
>> Thanks,
>> Jonah
>>
>>
Jonah

        You might try     Everett Horton           E & G Automotive
                                1-401-435-7139          P O Box 16095
                                                                9 Newman Ave
                                                                Rumford,
R.I. 02916
>
>
        He might have some stuff for you.

Jim Chermack

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:12:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Dipstick Tube/ Motor mounts/Oiling System

At 01:54 PM 3/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>  How in the world does a person possibly get the dipstick tube out of the
>cylinder block in one piece on an Olds 455.  I haven't really really tried to

Well, when you pull the engine out you can just tap it out from below (the
part that extends into the pan). If the engine is all closed up, you can use
a "dipstick-tube extractor"; believe Chris Witt manufactures these and
guarantees them to work.

>engine mounts to use when swapping out a 67 330 for a 70 455.  I really don't

Assuming it would be in a '67 Cutlass, just use the 442 or "highway cruiser"
mounts for a 400ci motor (if you can find them).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:04:00 -0400
Subject: Apollo HEI distributor factoid

I've seen numerous posts on initial and total advance settings for HEI
distributors.  The old trade off has always been getting as much total
advance as possible, without having to use so much initial that the car
won't start.  Most distributors will allow about 25 degrees of
mechanical advance.

 Being a generous person, let me share a little knowledge.  The Olds
Apollo HEI distributor had a special center cam that allows about 30
degrees of mechanical advance.  With this distributor, I've been able to
set initial timing at 10 deg and get a total of 40 deg.  Using Sunoco
Ultra 94 gas, this gives very strong performance from a stock
distributor.  I'll have to look up the number on the center cam in the
distributor.

Scott Mullen
'70 442 with the Apollo distributor

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:54:00 -0400
Subject: Axles and oil seals

If that differential fill plug won't come out, heat it cherry red with a
torch, then try it.  The heat usually makes all of the difference.
Also, make sure you can get the plug out BEFORE you put the rear cover
back on.  That way if you have to drill out the frozen plug, or apply
liquid wrench to both sides, you won't have wasted a new cover gasket.

Scott "The Lamer" Mullen

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:30:25 -0400
Subject: Re: jack color for '69

On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Jeff Stanish wrote:
> I have to do the same thing for my 69 H/O.  I don't have a color code but
> I know its gray.  I was just going to go to the local hobbie shop
>  and match it as close as I can. Maybe mix some colors theoretically you
> only need black and white.
>
> On Thu, 6 Mar 1997, Mike Shokouhi wrote:
> > Does anyone know what the gray color is called (or equiv.) for the base,
> > head, and other gray parts on a '69 H/O jack assembly.  An old Musclecar
> > review paints a '71 Cutlass' semi gloss black.  Mine kind of looks like
> > a rally wheel gray?

I wonder whether there aren't several choices. My '68 has a gloss black base
and mechanism, and a silver-gray (cast? natural? not sure) post. I know
it's never been painted. That's how it came from the factory. Maybe
Canadian-built cars are different.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:42:39 -0400
Subject: Re: seat cover mfrers?

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>

>When you redid your seats, did you replace the foam?  If so than where
>did you get the foam from?

I pulled the seat and took it to an auto upholster and they put the
seat cover on.

The seat had two coathangers hog ringed to the springs and an
extra layer of foam in it already.  They pulled they coathangers,
extra foam and replaced the burlap but didnt add any foam back.  They
put three massive bars in, clipped to the springs.  These bars run
lengthwise across the bench seat.

The old seat seemed like it could use some foam on the drivers side.
When I got it back it felt like new.  Must have been just a spring
problem.

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970 442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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From: HGLYLE@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:55:49 -0400
Subject: Re: W31 455 motor for sale

how much

where is it located


thanks
harold lyle

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From: Dawn Roode <dawnr@curtco.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:12:41 -0400
Subject: Re: GM RPO books for free

I called this number, was told it was Chevrolet info only but to call
800-442-6537 for Olds, and then I was told that this book is
confidential GM information -- the rep said he could not send me the
book, but could look up any necessary info for me.  I'd love to have a
copy -- what did you say to convince them to send it to you??
Thanks,
Dawn
- -------------------------------
SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK wrote:
>
> Heres the deal of the century- Call (800) 222-1010 which is the

1-800-222-1020....

> Chevrolet info line. Go thru all the recorded stuff and get to a
> live person. Tell em you want a free copy of the GM Production
> Options book.

Yupper.  Takes about two weeks to get.  Good luck.

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:10:47 -0400
Subject: Re: BB Head modifications

  I have been told that the C heads flow better than most "worked" heads of
other letter designations except the F casting.
  For simplicity sake i would go for a set of Mondello swirl polished intake
and exhaust valves 2.07" in and 1.68" ex. and find a shop that will do a true
three angle valve job --- most of the time ive seen that it's just hype and a
regrind on the original seat.
  Have a set of hardened exhaust seats installed, this will help you with the
non leaded fuel and make sure that the valve retainers don't rotate the
valves.
  Just an opinion that  i do believe in is to run silicon bronze valve guides
instead of iron guides --- they tend to have better lubricating qualities
with unleaded fuel than iron guides.
   Finally a set of Teflon valve seals -- you will probably need to have the
valve guide
bosses machined to use that type of seal.

    More involved things that can be done are things like having the center
exhaust port dividers welded up flush with the port flange and grinding down
the air injection
bumps in the exhaust ports so that they are flush with the roof of the
exhaust port.
    I would leave the port bowls and runners alone unless you really know
what you
are doing.

      hope that helps some,

                                           J2RKT@aol.com

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From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:15:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Dipstick Tube/ Motor mounts/Oiling System

   thanks for the info  Dr Barry, but who is Chris Witt?

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From: Robert Yasczak <VJTD@grove.iup.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:22:48 -0400
Subject: Re: '77 Olds 442

 I have a yellow with black stripes and numbers 1976 442.  For the most part
the car is original with the exception of some of the paint (minor accident),
tires, battery and exhaust.  The car has about 29,000 miles on it with the
original 455 and turbo 400.  The interior is white with swivel bucket seats,
the car is pretty well document with the pink slip, build sheet, and most of
the other paper work.
The car was originally ordered by the local olds dealer after he had a
serious accident in his 68 Cutlass drag car, this is the reason for the swivel
buckets.  This car is the only one like it in my area that is on the road,
there were a few others around here but they have all dappeared within the
last ten years.  I do believe that there were fewer than 10,000 produced in
1976, but I am unsure about 1977.

Robb Yasczakvjtd@grove.iup.edu


1969 442
1969 Cutlass S Convertible
                1976 442
1985 Cutlass Supreme
1987 Cutlass Salon

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:41:43 -0400
Subject: Re: GM RPO books for free

Dawn Roode wrote:
>
> I called this number, was told it was Chevrolet info only but to call
> 800-442-6537 for Olds, and then I was told that this book is

That puts a wrench in it then... Hmmmm....

> confidential GM information -- the rep said he could not send me the
> book, but could look up any necessary info for me.  I'd love to have a
> copy -- what did you say to convince them to send it to you??

Well I hope I got the right information.  Time will tell.  I'll let
everyone
know what I receive.

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:50:36 -0400
Subject: Re: More Timing Q's

In a message dated 97-03-10 17:27:52 EST, you write:

<< OK, that makes sense.  But the problem I have is that at 4 deg. where it
 now sits, my distributor is turned about an 1/8th of a turn clockwise.  If I
 advanced it to 12 degrees, my distributor would be turned almost a 1/4
 turn.  Could my distributor be one tooth off? >>
Hmm...  How do you measure that, when the marks only go to 12?
At what RPM are you supposed to measure BTDC timing?
Does the type of gas you use have an effect on timing?  For example, if I
switch from 89 octane to 92 octane, would I need to adjust my timing for
optimum performance?  And if so, in which way?

Thanks for the help.  The lights are starting to come on ;)

As for the distributor being turned.  As long as the vaccum advance isnt
hitting the
firewall or intake, it doesnt matter where the distributor is.  A good
practice to lign up
the distributor is to pull ª 1 spark plug.This is with the distributor out or
with the power disconnected from the distributor.  Crank the engine over
easily until you get a compression stroke.  It will force you thumb off the
hole.  Look at the harmonic
balance timing mark and by hand lign up the mark with 0 on the timing tab.
make sure the rotor is facing ª 1 spark plug wire on cap.  If it isnt, then
its a tooth
off.  Timing for intial is done at current idle speed such as 500 or 600 RPM.
 Total
timing is done at higher RPMS such as 1600RPM and Higher.  AS for measuring
18 degrees of timing, i have a special timing light with advance timing
availible.
You can also purchase timing tape to go on the harmonic balance which has the

timiing marks.  As for octane, I use 92 or 93 to prevent spark knock.  As in
the past
442's used Premium fuel for the High compression engines.  The octane ratings
were actually higher back then.   If you go with 4 or 6 degrees timing then
87 octane
is no problem with that degree of timing.  You must disconnect the vaccum
advance
on the distributor to measure timing.  just plug it off with a pencil on the
vaccum
line and measure it at 600 to 750 RPM.
If you have anymore questions call me at 313 336 8135

W MACHINES (Mark Prince)
72 442 W-30

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From: "smardale@airmail.net" <smardale@airmail.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:08:36 -0400
Subject: RE: BB Head modifications

Mondello sells a head porting book specific to Oldsmobiles.  Info on the
book, and other Olds stuff can be found at:  www.mondello.com

I think the book sells for $24.95-- A small investment compared to what
you have invested in your heads.

Hope this helps!

Scott Martindale
'65 Olds 442 Holiday Coupe
'65 Olds 442 Convertible

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From: John Foster <jdfoster@n-link.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:28:30 -0400
Subject: WANTED: 1956 windshield

Folks,

I am looking for a new or good used windshield for a 1956 Super 88.
Thanks for any help.

sincerely

John Foster

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From: BAD748@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:24:16 -0400
Subject: 10 sec. 70 cutlass

I WANT SOME HELPBUILDING A 468 FOR MY CUTLASS IHAVE FLAT TOP PISTONS
APORTSONIC INTAKE CAM. IS 606 592 -108 C. AND C HEADS   BAD748@AOL.COM

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From: katana72@juno.com (Robert F Turner)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:26:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Dipstick Tube/ Motor mounts/Oiling System

On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:54:02 -0400 J2RKT@aol.com writes:
>  How in the world does a person possibly get the dipstick tube out of
>the
>cylinder block in one piece on an Olds 455. <snip>
>
>  My second question is if any body has any brand names or part
>numbers for the engine mounts to use when swapping out a 67 330 for a 70
455.<snip>
>
>  This last question is for anybody out there who races Olds engines
>---
> When i was running my 330 in the Olds i was just barely turning 5000
>rpm
>going through the lights with the 4.33:1 gears --- i have a definite
>feeling that the 455 is going to be going considerably faster in the
lights.
>        Thanks,
>                       J2RKT@aol.com
>
Well, ª1 I have never had any success pulling a dipstick, just go get a
new one. It'll be worth the lack of aggravation in the long run.

ª2: The motor mounts on a 350 and a 330 are identical, so logic would
reason that the ones for a 455 should work as well. It would be just a
matter of positioning the frame mounts in the proper holes(I would think,
but might be wrong).

ª3: the 330 motor is fairly strong and can rev higher than a stock 455,
so use caution when setting your rev limiter.

Good Luck and Happy Oldmobiling!!!

Katana72@ juno.com      It's NOT your Daddy's Oldsmobile!!!   Hastings,
MN

(Small Block POWER!!!!!!!!)

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:01:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Dipstick Tube/ Motor mounts/Oiling System

On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 J2RKT@aol.com wrote:

>    thanks for the info  Dr Barry, but who is Chris Witt?

Dear me... has he been gone *that* long? Guess so...

Chris Witt is a character... one of the very first people who ever signed
up to this list. Actually I encountered him even before the list existed,
in usenet. I posted a question about my Olds and he wrote back with an
answer, and asked if I knew where he could get some .010 oversize lifters.
The ones made out of unobtainium. Yeah, Chris, sure. ;-) At that stage I
wasn't sure what a lifter even was... anyway, while he was here, Chris
posted an answer to almost everything people asked about, or at least had
an opinion. It got to the point where he was doing a daily "digest"
response. Some people got tired of his views, but the guy is an absolute
Olds nut and is hilarious to boot. He runs "Rocket Science", a source of
Olds parts, in Lansing, and has various Olds parts cars in stages of
disarray at any given point in time.

Some may quibble with his views but he gave out a lot of good advice here
and was a major contributor to the FAQ. He left here last summer to
concentrate on other things (like finishing his degree and paying the
bills) but still pops in occasionally to say hello and offer some parts
around. A good guy, and the list is poorer without him.

He's available at wittchri@pilot.msu.edu


Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: J2RKT@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 21:12:17 -0400
Subject: Re: 10 sec. 70 cutlass

   I think the best person to consult regarding getting your Olds into the
10's would
be Joe Mondello  (805) 237-8808 --- Fax (805) 237-8814

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From: CHRIS MATTHES <CDOGG73@ELKNET.NET>
Date: Tue, 5 Nov 1996 20:29:46 -0400
Subject: anyone have a phone number for HEDDMANN HEDDERS?

anyone have a phone number for HEDDMANN HEDDERS?

i would be very grateful!

Chris Matthes
73 Cutlass

------------------------------

From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:05:42 -0400
Subject: Re: 3/11 Quad4 Cap & Hat Pin Set For Sale

Ill take it.  Tell me where to send the check.

Jeff Antonucci

'91 Quad 442 W-41

------------------------------

From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:00:16 -0400
Subject: Re: 1987 Calais GT

You could try the one off the 91 Calais.

Jeff.
'91 Quad 442 W-41

------------------------------

From: disys@igs.net
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:22:28 -0400
Subject: More from a 307?

Hi All,
I am new to the group and want to thank Cecil for informing me about this
group.

I am trying to get more out of my 1988 307.  I first looked into Edelbrock
to see if they have
any performance parts (i.e. intake manifold, cam and headers).
Unfortunately they said that
this engine has poor head design.  Has anyone had experience modifying this
engine?

Cecil suggested I write because he seemed to recall discussions about this
engine.  Is there an
archive available or did someone keep some of the related e-mail?

Thanks in advance,
Richard
P.S. The 307 is the heart of our family's Buick Estate Wagon.  I hope know
one is offended that a
Buick owner is writing into the group.  But at least the most important part
of the car is an Olds.
disys@igs.net

------------------------------

From: Mr57olds@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:38:00 -0400
Subject: trunk material for '57

I just signed on & have been reading the messages for a couple of days.  I
have a '57   holiday sedan (4 door hardtop) almost completely rebuilt and i
cannot seem to find trunk material.  The sides are cardboard and floor
apperars to be a vinly covered jute??  I have the originals and can make if i
can find material or would be interested in kit.  Fusick has one for 2 door
and they are not sure if it will fit 4 door.   thanks for any and all help
     Mr57olds@aol.con

------------------------------

From: Shang <Shang@dfwmm.net>
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:41:32 -0400
Subject: Re: anyone have a phone number for HEDDMANN HEDDERS?

CHRIS MATTHES wrote:
>
> anyone have a phone number for HEDDMANN HEDDERS?
>
> i would be very grateful!
>
> Chris Matthes
> 73 Cutlass

Call Summit Racing, 1-330-630-3030, they will give it to you.

Stephen Hoover
Dallas, Texas
'70 Cutlass "S"

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:50:34 -0400
Subject: Re: More from a 307?

On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 disys@igs.net wrote:
> Cecil suggested I write because he seemed to recall discussions about this
> engine.  Is there an
> archive available or did someone keep some of the related e-mail?

Here are 2 must-see places:

The Olds list archives: http://www.calcon.net/~easton

Bryceman's web page: http://www.442.com

You'll find a nice FAQ there.

> P.S. The 307 is the heart of our family's Buick Estate Wagon.  I hope know
> one is offended that a
> Buick owner is writing into the group.  But at least the most important part
> of the car is an Olds.

Of course not! There are many here with 307-engined Buicks. Welcome!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:16:00 -0400
Subject: Re: GM RPO books for free

At 12:12 PM 3/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>I called this number, was told it was Chevrolet info only but to call

Yeah, the guy I spoke to on the Chevy line had NO clue as to what I was
talking about when I asked for the "GM Production Options" Booklet; he put
me on hold, and then came back asking if I wanted information on a
*specific* car (which is what they are programmed to provide). I said no, I
just want the entire booklet. He said expect to receive it in 10-14 working
days. I thanked him and hung up. I had to kinda play dumb about what I
wanted, as they really want to provide you with information on a specific
car (hence, you were directed to the Olds line when you probably mentioned
you were interested in something to do with an Oldsmobile).

>800-442-6537 for Olds, and then I was told that this book is

Yeah, today the poor people on these lines probably have gotten ten times
the number of requests for this particular booklet than they've gotten in
their entire careers there. I think you just have to call back, stay on the
Chevy line, and not hang up until they take your name and address to send
you one.

Or even better, say that you called up before three weeks ago, and you WANT
to know *when* you'll be getting that "GM Production Options" booklet that
they promised to send you. Then they'll be stumbling over themselves to make
good on their "promise" (after all, this is the "Customer Service" dept.).

>> live person. Tell em you want a free copy of the GM Production
>> Options book.

Also, what is the *exact* name and part ª (or catalog ª) of this book? The
guy I spoke to at first acted like I was speaking Aramaic when I asked for
the "GM Production Options" booklet.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:21:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Dipstick Tube/ Motor mounts/Oiling System

At 08:01 PM 3/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>    thanks for the info  Dr Barry, but who is Chris Witt?
>
>Dear me... has he been gone *that* long? Guess so...
[snip]
>He's available at wittchri@pilot.msu.edu

Doesn't he also have a page linked to Bryceman's Olds page (
http://www.442.com ) under parts sources? That's where I recall last seeing
the ad for the dipstick puller.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:31:17 -0400
Subject: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS

Just for everybody's protection on this list, I'd like to pass along an
experience I had today with a company named "The Parts Place", located in
Batavia, Illinois.
A couple weeks ago, I decided to order a set of reproduction fender wells for
the 70 442 I am restoring. A local friend had just received a pair, in the
mail, and they were stacked one atop the other. Needless to say, the bottom
well had scratches all over it. So, when I called "The Parts Place", I was
concerned about paying $358 for something that was scratched. I talked to
Tom. He assured me the wells were individually wrapped in bubble wrap on the
shelf, and would be shipped that way. He assured me they would arrive in
perfect condition, and when I asked, he assured me that if they were
scratched I would have no problem returning them. He also assured me there
would be no penalty involved. When I received the wells, they were not in
bubble wrap, and the bottom well was scratched where it would show. I called
Tom and told him he had not been truthful with me and I was returning them. I
told him this was their mistake, and I was not going to pay a restocking fee.
He told me I wouldn't have to pay any restocking fee. Today, I got an invoice
for the credit, and they charged me a 25% restocking fee. In this case,
that's $89.00. I called Tom, and he put me on hold and Joe, the owner, picked
up the phone and informed me that there is a 25% restocking fee, even if they
did promise, and even if it was their fault. He said that if the order had
been for $1000 then the fee would have been $250. I'm not through with this
incident, but I wanted everybody to know how they do business. Fusick's
doesn't carry these fender wells, but if they did and I complained about
them, they would have apologized and would have given me full credit. Please
excuse me for this extensive message, but it's just like the fellow who
travelled a long way to look at the fake W30, we all need to be aware.

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com




------------------------------

From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:42:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Well wishes and aol

In a message dated 97-03-08 13:37:09 EST, you write:

<< Firstly, my belated condolences to Mr. Sparks on the injury of his
 Oldsmobile. Get well soon. Please let us know if you require info on
 availability of parts for repairs (junque yards,et.c).

I will second that.  Post any items you require and we'll see what we can do
for you.

 Secondly, I want to address the issue of aol'ers with poor attitudes. You
are
 absolutely right, there are altogether too many of them who are either
 childish or children. The offender who was discussed earlier possessed an
 attitude that is in fact common to many occupant of the various "chat
rooms".
 Although this is indeed a sad state of affairs, not much can be done about
 it, viz. the number of people who still Email in caps. Please don't think
 less of me for being a member, rather feel for me in that I am more likely
to
 interact with other aol'ers. >>

Hey now!!!     After I just typed my poor little fingers to the bone on that
"Turbo" article......    :)    (gotta give a hard time occasionally.......)

I dunno on the "point of origins" of most of these people (meaning aol,
etc.), since I'm not tracking numbers, but we sure do seem to get our share
of them don't we?  Must be just far too many people out there mad at us for
"arming" the average citizen with block/head/rear end/option information...
  (say, is that a '70 W-30 with the "special" from the factory BLACK inside
fender wells?)......   Getting too damned hard to sell a "rare" car with all
the "stock" options on it......

Chris Ruper

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:50:17 -0400
Subject: Hot New Parts

Hey All,

         Just got some new stuff in that some people were asking about so I
thought I would put it up on the list.

68-69 Wheelwell Moldings (MINT)  all 4  $200.00
68 442 Cut-out Rear Bumper (needs chrome)  $135.00
66-69 SSI's (set of 4) nice but not perfect with thin pin stripe whitewalls
$300.00 set
70-71 Cutlass Supreme Chrome Trim (complete excellent cond)  $225.00 set
'C' Heads  $350.00 pr
'E' Heads  $350.00 pr

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442
Virginia Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869

------------------------------

From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:52:15 -0400
Subject: Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS

Art,

Did you mention to them that you were going to post this to the
Oldsmobile mailing list?  I find that type of behavior completely
unacceptable and I am glad you told us about the incident.  I will not
give my business to a place that treats their customers like that.
Did your friends mouldings come from the same place?  If so, did he get
it resolved?

- -Dan

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:52:49 -0400
Subject: Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS

At 10:31 PM 3/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Just for everybody's protection on this list, I'd like to pass along an
>experience I had today with a company named "The Parts Place", located in
>Batavia, Illinois.
[snip of very slimy business dealings]
>I'm not through with this incident, but I wanted everybody to know how they
do >business. Fusick's doesn't carry these fender wells, but if they did and
I >complained about them, they would have apologized and would have given me
full >credit. >Please excuse me for this extensive message, but it's just
like the fellow who >travelled a long way to look at the fake W30, we all
need to be aware.

Art,

This is the best kind of information that anyone on this list can provide;
personal experience, good or bad, of dealing with vendors or parts sources.
No need to apologize; as long as you give a fair account of your dealings
with any vendor (that is, avoiding any slander or libel, and always giving
the vendor an opportunity to correct its mistakes), you are saving dozens of
us the grief and $$$ that the vendor has cost you.

What is their mailing address, and the name of the owner? Post it here, so I
(and whoever else so desires) can send them a letter indicating that I would
not like to do business with a company that treats a good friend of mine
like Art Fuller in the above manner, and that I'll investigate every _other_
option apart for going to them for parts I'll need for the rather extensive
restoration of my '70 Cutlass Supreme SX.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 00:17:37 -0400
Subject: Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS

At 11:31 PM 3/11/97 -0400, mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
>Just for everybody's protection on this list, I'd like to pass along an
>experience I had today with a company named "The Parts Place", located in
>Batavia, Illinois.

>Please excuse me for this extensive message, but it's just like the fellow
who >travelled a long way to look at the fake W30, we all need to be aware.

Sounds to me like we need to place a list of bad dealers either in the FAQ
or 442.com for future reference.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  f-list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28........http://www.kxan.com/~rwillis/labay.html
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30..http://www.442.com/labay.html
75 Hurst/Olds W-25..soon to be a born again junkyard car.

------------------------------

From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 00:30:32 -0400
Subject: Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS

 I won't go into details but I had an older gentlemen customer from
Mississippi who is restoring a 61 Starfire conv told me a horror story about
this "Parts Place" in Illinois. So you guys who are reading this beware of
them.
  The gentlemen in Miss. is still out a couple of hundred bucks


Everett Horton        E & G Automotive
                             9 Newman Ave
                             Rumford, R.I. 02916

------------------------------

From: Ann Boase <boase4@airmail.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 04:31:54 -0400
Subject: Re: paint/body work in DFW area ??

Jim Lyons wrote:
>
> Hello, I am a newbie to this list. I recently bought a 1970 cutlass supreme
> convertible that needs some body work and then paint (as well as many
various > other things). I am looking for suggestions as to where to get this
done in the > DFW area for a fair price. I have no idea on which shops are
trustworthy and > which are rip-offs. I do not have the garage, skills, or
tools to do the work > myself. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated,
as well as any other > advice you might have on getting this done. > >
thanks, > Jim

Jim,
Do not go to LEO BRADY on 121 in Lewisville, as he messed-up my
69 442 conv restoration a while back and cost me and arm and a leg.

Gerry

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 00:36:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Axles and oil seals and geting the plug out

That cherry red trick works on lots of stuck threaded things. I use it on
nearly all the oil gallery plugs. I don't know how GM gets them in so tight
but they are nearly impossible to remove any other way. I have broke tool
steel trying to get out those three in the back of che*y blocks before I
discovered this trick. You can nearly take then out with your fingers after
heating them cherry red and spraying them with a penetrating oil. Sometimes
it works on broken bolts too if they are just stuck and not bottomed.
Walter

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 00:54:42 -0400
Subject: Re: anyone have a phone number for HEDDMANN HEDDERS?

Headman Headers
9599 W.Jeferson Blvd.
Culver City CA
(213) 839-7581
This came from a 1985 book I hope its still good.
Walter

------------------------------

From: theogns <theogns@avana.net>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 00:02:47 -0400
Subject: Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS

mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
>
> Just for everybody's protection on this list, I'd like to pass along an
> experience I had today with a company named "The Parts Place", located in
> Batavia, Illinois.

I bought an NOS front bumper from these guys back in '92 for my '70
W-30. The advertisment I saw in Hemmings listed the price at $214.00.
When I called I was told that the price had "just gone up". They
eventually let me have it for $225.00 which was 5 bucks less than there
new price. Even though they raised the price they let me have it at a
small discount. I haven't bought anything since and will not buy
anything in the future.

Danny

------------------------------

From: Kevin Wong <brougham@geocities.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:19:41 -0400
Subject: Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS

> Today, I got an invoice for the credit, and they charged me a 25% restocking
 > fee. In this case, that's $89.00. I called Tom, and he put me on hold and
Joe, > the owner, picked up the phone and informed me that there is a 25%
restocking > fee, even if they did promise, and even if it was their fault.
He said that if > the order had been for $1000 then the fee would have been
$250.

Sorry to hear about the reneging retailer.  Isn't there some sort of
implied product warranty when certain credit cards are used?  Barring this,
is it possible to contact the credit company and indicate that you never
authorized the $89.00 charge?  It would then be up to this shady
retailer to pursue the matter directly with you?  I have no experience
in this sort of matter; are these viable courses of action?

Kevin Wong

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 05:07:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Apollo HEI distributor factoid

Umm, wouldn't that be a ~Buick~ Apollo?  Or an Olds Omega?  Or is there
more to this distributor than I'm familiar with....  ??

>
>  Being a generous person, let me share a little knowledge.  The Olds
> Apollo HEI distributor had a special center cam that allows about 30
> degrees of mechanical advance.  With this distributor, I've been able to
> set initial timing at 10 deg and get a total of 40 deg.  Using Sunoco
> Ultra 94 gas, this gives very strong performance from a stock
> distributor.  I'll have to look up the number on the center cam in the
> distributor.
>
> Scott Mullen
> '70 442 with the Apollo distributor
>

------------------------------

From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 05:58:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Subject: Re: T-3 Inquiry

Wow - it sounds easier to put in a working replacement (no offense!!)


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 , '72 Vista Cruiser , '72 Vista Cruiser
project

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:54:00 -0400
Subject: RE: GM RPO book

Oooops! I gave out the wrong phone ª to get the GM RPO book for free.
The correct ª is--- (800) 222-1020.
Tell em you have a Chevy, thats what this line is.







FRank... 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition
         65 El Camino.......

------------------------------

From: NotDads442@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 10:06:09 -0400
Subject: Refinishing?? Black Door and Trunk Locks

Does anybody know what I can do to get the locks on my 1991 W-41 refinished?

They are/were black and after use and being forced to sit outside for the
first two years of its life, the finish is coming off. They look like they
are chrome or stainless steel underneath the black paint(?).  They look just
like any other lock that GM has made for decades.
Can I remove these and have them powdercoated so that this doesn't happen
again?

I had the same problem with my 1989 M*st*ng.  I tried painting them and it
didn't work very good at all.  Maybe I didn't do something right back when I
tried it.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!

Cecil
1991 442 W-41
NotDads@aol.com

------------------------------

From: Jim Lyons <jimbo@ti.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:02:55 -0400
Subject: Re: paint/body work in DFW area ??

Thanks, I had gotten an estimate from him, but you are the second person who
has told me to stay away from him which is good enough for me.

thanks again,
Jim

- ------------------
Original text

From: Ann Boase <boase4@airmail.net>, on 3/12/97 4:31 AM:
Jim Lyons wrote:
>
> Hello, I am a newbie to this list. I recently bought a 1970 cutlass supreme
> convertible that needs some body work and then paint (as well as many
various > other things). I am looking for suggestions as to where to get this
done in the > DFW area for a fair price. I have no idea on which shops are
trustworthy and > which are rip-offs. I do not have the garage, skills, or
tools to do the work > myself. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated,
as well as any other > advice you might have on getting this done. > >
thanks, > Jim

Jim,
Do not go to LEO BRADY on 121 in Lewisville, as he messed-up my
69 442 conv restoration a while back and cost me and arm and a leg.

Gerry

------------------------------

From: tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us (Tony Waldner)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:04:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Apollo HEI distributor factoid

>Umm, wouldn't that be a ~Buick~ Apollo?  Or an Olds Omega?  Or is there
>more to this distributor than I'm familiar with....  ??
>
>>

OMYGOSH!!!!   Charley........Are you feeling okay today?????  This has to
be your first post where you didn't bash a Chevy!!!!!!  :-O

Tony

70 442 W-30
70 Toro GT W-34
65 Jetstar 88 w/4-spd
85 Cutlass Salon 455 Drag Racer
92 Seville STS

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                                        Tony Waldner
tonwald@eta.k12.mn.us                   Northeast Metro 916
                                         3300 Century Ave. N.
                                         White Bear Lake, MN
                                                       55110

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:17:52 -0400
Subject: Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS

Sorry to hear about the bad experience. From other posts, it sounds like
they make more on restocking than on parts. This place is a couple of miles
from where I live (used to live in Batavia, in fact). If I can help out,
let me know (like let them know of the several hundred reader audience of
this list). Or if anyone on this list is in their neighborhood, stop and
let them know why you won't buy parts from them.

Looks like they lost a lot of business from people on this list. I'll be
spreading the word. I'll have to bring this up at an Illinois Valley Olds
Chapter meeting.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
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Just for everybody's protection on this list, I'd like to pass along an
experience I had today with a company named "The Parts Place", located in
Batavia, Illinois.

I called Tom and told him he had not been
truthful with me and I was returning them. I told him this was their mistake,
and I was not going to pay a restocking fee. He told me I wouldn't have to pay
 any restocking fee.

Today, I got an invoice for the credit, and they charged me a 25% restocking
fee. In this case, that's $89.00. I called Tom, and he put me on hold and Joe,
 the owner, picked up the phone and informed me that there is a 25%
restocking fee, even if they did promise, and even if it was their fault. He
said that if the order had been for $1000 then the fee would have been $250.

Art Fuller
mefco@sprynet.com

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From: "Craig J. Smith" <cjs@semplecpa.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:19:26 -0400
Subject: Insurance

I am acquiring classic car insurance and have applications for Condon &
Skelly and American Collectors Insurance, Inc.  Does anyone have any
advice or had any trouble with either of these.

Thanks

Craig Smith
68 442 conv.

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:18:45 -0400
Subject: Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS

Hi Art,

Did you try Oldsmobile U.S.A Parts Supply Ltd?  1-800-872-2013

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: mefco@sprynet.com
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:41:27 -0400
Subject: Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS

Hi Chris,
No, I use Fusick's for everything they have. They don't carry the fender
wells, so I called this place. I have since called Ron Memmer and told him to
send me good used wells. I will paint them.

Art

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From: John Schumacher <jd.schumacher@baylordallas.edu>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:17:40 -0400
Subject: Re: '77 Olds 442

Robert Yasczak wrote:
>
  I do believe that there were fewer than 10,000 produced in 1976,
> but I am unsure about 1977.
>

I think production numbers on 77's were real low, around 350 total.
Several months back there was an article on the 77 442 in the JWO
newsletter.

- --
John "Shoe-Man" Schumacher
North Texas Olds Club ª25464 Dynamic 88
Dallas, Texas69 442
OCA ª02115174 Cutlass Supreme

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From: Kurt Heinrich <old442@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:54:08 -0400
Subject: Re: BEWARE POTENTIAL BUYERS

mefco@sprynet.com wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
> No, I use Fusick's for everything they have. They don't carry the fender
wells, > so I called this place. I have since called Ron Memmer and told him
to send me > good used wells. I will paint them. > > Art

Year One has these, black $349 pair, red $439 pair.  They also sell
individually if you only need 1.

Kurt
71 442

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From: "R.B. Short" <rbshort@barnessmithlewis.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:12:27 -0400
Subject: RE: Insurance

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You might also try Hagerty (1 - 800 - 922 - 4050 ). I've used them for =
several years and their rates are pretty good. One nice thing is, if you =
have several old cars that qualify, the additional cars are really dirt =
cheap. I do recall though that the cars must be pretty stock - no hot =
rods, modified, etc.
     I've never had a claim so I don't know how well that would go. =
However, I bought their insurance through a local independant agent who =
I know. If they didn't treat me right at least I'll have someone local I =
could go scream at.
                                  R.B. Short,   OKC,OK=20

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From: Craig J. Smith[SMTP:cjs@semplecpa.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 1997 9:19 AM
To: Oldsmobile List
Subject: Insurance

I am acquiring classic car insurance and have applications for Condon &
Skelly and American Collectors Insurance, Inc.  Does anyone have any
advice or had any trouble with either of these. =20

Thanks

Craig Smith
68 442 conv.




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