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oldsmobile-digest          Tuesday, 8 April 1997       Volume 01 : Number 599

Re: W-30 Optioning
Re: Manual transmission drive shaft
Hedders for an '87 Olds. Cut. Sup.
Re: 8.5" Rear end again
Re: Speaker Locations in Convertible
Re: starfire 66
Charlotte swap meet
Re: Manual transmission drive shaft
Owners Manuals
Re: 8.5" Rear end again
Seatbelt chime module
Advice needed, fender well liners
Re: '75 omega
Re: Charlotte swap meet
Re: (no subject)
Re: Advice needed, fender well liners
Re: heads for sale (update)
Re: Charging Problem.  Bat won't hold charge
Re: 69 Hurst Firefrost Paint
Fw: 8.5" rear end for G-bodies
Re: new olds owner needs advice
Re: I feel less young...
Re: 69 H/O mirrors
Re: Fw: 8.5" rear end for G-bodies
Re: Re[2]: Where does  it go?
Re: '75 omega
Re: starfire 66
Re: The Holy Order of Rocketeers
Re: (no subject)
Re: PS Brackets (was: Springs 'n' things)
Re: RE: Brothers & Kanter Info
Re: car info
Re: Charging Problem.  Bat won't hold charge
Re: (no subject)
Any W-41 Owners out there?
Re: Manual transmission drive shaft
Re: TCC solenoid
Re: 8.5" Rear end again
Re: '75 omega
Re: The Holy Order of Rocketeers
Re: Charging Problem.  Bat won't hold charge
Re: W-30 Optioning
Re: Any W-41 Owners out there?
Re: Any W-41 Owners out there?
Re: '75 omega
Re: '75 omega
Re: e mail
wagons
Re: heads for sale (update)
Re: Seatbelt chime module
Re: I feel less young...
Crankcase tech quiz
1979 Hurst/Olds Parts For Sale (4/8)
1985-87 442 Stripe Part ªs
Attn. Maryland Olds Lovers - OCC Meeting 4/8/97
Re: new olds owner needs advice

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 16:50:08 -0300
Subject: Re: W-30 Optioning

theogns wrote:
>
> Has anyone ever heard of a 4 speed non a/c non power steering and of
> course non power brake '70 W-30 with power windows?
>
> Danny

Danny,

I haven't, but any order like that was probably filled if there was a
deposit.  I have a friend w/a 1963 Dodge Polara 500 convertible w/426
wedge, no radio or heater, & power windows.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:07:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Manual transmission drive shaft

Bob,
     I went through 6 used drive shafts, I took each to have checked for
straightness and balance, and finally just had the drive shaft shop make
a new one. They just need your yoke and length (measured from center of
u-joint to center of rear u-joint) a new one didn't cost much more the
straightening and balancing with new new heavy duty  u-joints.
              Good Luck, Doug

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From: NjOlds@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:10:15 -0300
Subject: Hedders for an '87 Olds. Cut. Sup.


        This is Enio again,  and I have started doing my exhuast since the
last time I asked about it, but can't figure out what kind of hedders to get.
 I want something that will give my Olds. a nice rumble,  not something that
will be heard 5 blocks away but something that says "I'm an Olds!"

                                                                   Thanx

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From: Steven LaCrosse <lacrosse@frontiernet.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 21:10:57 -0300
Subject: Re: 8.5" Rear end again

Jason Labay wrote:
>
> At 12:48 PM 4/7/97 -0300, Andy Geeting wrote:
> >Hey Everyone,
> >
> >Well I went looking for an 8.5" rear end for my '87 Cutlass this past
> >weekend and found one! I think? See I didn't get to look at it because it
> >was at one of those yards where everything is on computer. Anyway, the gut
> >said it was off an '84 Cutlass with about 56,000 miles on it. He said it
was > >an open rear end with the 2.42 highway gears. Is this right? I thought
the > >8.5" rear ends came with a limited slip and 3.73 gears and were only in
the > >442's, GN's, and T-Type Regals. Did these rear ends come with different
gears? > >     Also, the guy wanted $325 for the rear end (minus brakes) plus
a $100 > >core charge. Does any of this sound right? Thanks for all the help! >
 > Wow! WAY too much, at least for me. We will sell complete rear ends with >
brakes for ~$100 with no core charge. I don't have an 8.5 rear though. I am >
looking for one myself. > - - - - - - - - - - - > Jason Labay
(z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95 > 93 Camaro Z/28:
Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1, > Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX
cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.) > 80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2
W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made > 75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White,
5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

Dear Sir, I am looking for a 3:23 rearend for my 1969 442. Can you help
me?   Steve LaCrosse  (716) 396-0803 work phone

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:17:28 -0300
Subject: Re: Speaker Locations in Convertible

The rear speaker in my '70 is mounted above the pump and points at the
rear window.  It would probably work OK with the top up, but is covered
completely when the top in down.

Remember they are 10 ohm speakers.

Jeff.

'91 Quad 442 W-41
'70 442 Conv.

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From: ANTIQOLDS@aol.com
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:21:14 -0300
Subject: Re: starfire 66

Vincent
  The adviser for the 1966 Starfire in the Starfire Chapter is:
  Greg Lange
  2657 April Dawn Way
  Gambrils, Md 21054    1-410-672-6740

Everett  OCAª1961

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From: David Nye <jdnye@norfolk.infi.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:25:15 -0300
Subject: Charlotte swap meet

Did anybody go to the Charlotte Motor Speedway last weekend for the swap
meet/ car show? If I said that the representation of Olds sucked... it
would be a huge understatement. Of course you couldn't swing a dead cat
without hitting a Camaro or a M*stang booth. The only things that I
really found were a couple of manuals (genuine service and Fisher Body
manual). Year One was there and so was Eastwood, Goodyear, GM, and many
others. All in all... it was still fun, even if I didn't find much.
David Nye
'71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:20:05 -0300
Subject: Re: Manual transmission drive shaft

Robert J. Lavey wrote:
>
> Hi Gang,
>
> I am trying to find a manual transmission drave shaft (the one-piece model
> rather than the rubber-dampened one from auto-trans cars) for my 1968 442.
> Has anyone out there got one to sell?  Or can you point me to an interchange
> that will work (the salvage yards around here are short on Oldsmobiles but
> long on Chevys).
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Bob
>

Bob,

I have a car, but it needs it's drive shaft.

There is a 3-speed (467) & a 4-speed (461) for '68 442 manual trans
cars.  I'm assuming that you want a 4-speed drive shaft.

461  Buick Special '68 GS400, MT
     Buick Special '68 exc. GS400 & Skyroof SW, 2dr, AT
     Buick Special '68 exc. GS400 & Skyroof SW, MT, column shift
     Buick Special '69 exc. GS350, GS400, & Skyroof SW, 2dr, AT Super
Turtbine 300
     Grand Prix '69 MT, 4-speed
     Grand Prix '70, MT
     Grand Prix '71, MT, 3-speed
     Olds F85 '68 442, MT, 4-speed
     Olds F85 '68 exc Skyroof & 442, 2dr, AT Jetaway
     Olds F85 '68 exc. Skyroof & 442, 2dr, MT std. duty
     Olds F85 '69 exc. Skyroof & 442, 2dr, AT Jetaway
     Tempest '68 2dr, exc. GTO AT
     Tempest '68-69 2dr, GTO, MT, 4-speed
     Tempest '68-69 2dr, exc. GTO, MT, 3-speed std. duty
     Tempest '68-69 2dr, exc. GTO, MT, 4-speed
     Tempest '69 2dr, exc. GTO, AT, 2-speed
     Tempest '69 2dr, exc. GTO, AT, 3-speed TH350
     Tempest '70-71 2dr, AT, 2-speed, & M38 (3-speed)
     Tempest '70-72 2dr, MT, 3-speed
     Tempest '72 2dr, AT, 2-speed, & M38
     Tempest '72 2dr, MT, 4-speed, 8-350

Isn't it strange that no Ch*vys interchange?  I hope that this helps.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: David Nye <jdnye@norfolk.infi.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:28:46 -0300
Subject: Owners Manuals

Hey everyone, I'm looking for some of the glove compartment literature
for my '71 Cutlass ragtop. I'd like an owners manual, convertible top
manual, and anything else that might serve me well in the glove box for
a show. Anyone got anything?
David Nye
'71 Cutlass Ragtop

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:25:44 -0300
Subject: Re: 8.5" Rear end again

Steven LaCrosse wrote:
>
> Jason Labay wrote:

<snip>
> >
> > Wow! WAY too much, at least for me. We will sell complete rear ends with
> > brakes for ~$100 with no core charge. I don't have an 8.5 rear though. I
am > > looking for one myself. > > - - - - - - - - - - - > > Jason Labay
(z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95 > > 93 Camaro Z/28:
Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1, > > Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX
cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.) > > 80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2
W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made > > 75 Hurst/Olds W-25:
White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made > > Dear Sir, I am looking for a
3:23 rearend for my 1969 442. Can you help > me?   Steve LaCrosse  (716)
396-0803 work phone

I am in need of something similar in a posi-traction type.  My 3.91 is a
killer.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "Gilbert Russell" <russellg@dmv.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:27:54 -0300
Subject: Seatbelt chime module

Tom
I was out in the local junk yard last weekend and saw a few 84 cutlass's I
would be glad to dig through them to see if I can pull one off for you.
One requirement though, since mine does not work also ( I can faintly hear
it) let me know where it is located at on the car.  I'll let you know how
much the yard charges for it.

Gil Russell

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From: David Nye <jdnye@norfolk.infi.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:36:46 -0300
Subject: Advice needed, fender well liners

I finally got my fender liners for my '71. At this point my front end is
still disassembled. I wasn't planning to put the front fenders back on
until I dropped the motor back, fired it up, and made sure that I had no
problems. I don't want to have to work on it over the fenders. My
question is this... should I install the fender liners first, or wait
until after I've installed the fenders? I've had both ways suggested.
David Nye
'71 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop

------------------------------

From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:36:43 -0300
Subject: Re: '75 omega

Daniel A. Gulino wrote:
>
> At 03:59 PM 4/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
> >Lynn wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi ! I am new to this list. My first car was a '78 cutlass sup. Crashed
10 > >> years ago now I have chance to buy a '75 omega belong to an old lady. >
>> Any suggessions and things to look for ? engine size ? v6 or v8 ? > >>
thanks > >> > >> Lynn > > > >Lynn, > > > >Those are rather good cars.  They
are related to the Camaro & Firebird. > > They are?  I thought the Omega was
a corporate twin of the Chevy Nova, > Buick Apollo, and Pontiac Ventura.  I
owned a '75 Nova, and while it had > four wheels and it really was a Chevy,
there wasn't much else about it that > reminded me of a Camaro.  :)

The chassis, brakes, suspension, & cowl are used on the early Camaro.
These parts interchange too.  They are a great source of disc brakes &
other parts for Camaro/Firebird cars.
>
 <snip>

> Dan
>
>
Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:39:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Charlotte swap meet

David Nye wrote:
>
> Did anybody go to the Charlotte Motor Speedway last weekend for the swap
> meet/ car show? If I said that the representation of Olds sucked... it
> would be a huge understatement. Of course you couldn't swing a dead cat
> without hitting a Camaro or a M*stang booth. The only things that I
> really found were a couple of manuals (genuine service and Fisher Body
> manual). Year One was there and so was Eastwood, Goodyear, GM, and many
> others. All in all... it was still fun, even if I didn't find much.
>                 David Nye
>                 '71 Cutlass Supreme Convertible

David,

I've been there twice.  It was that way each time I went.  If you look
long enough though, you usually find something Olds.  I find that this
is true of most swap meets; even the large ones like Charlotte & Iola.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

PS.  Ever ask for an Avanti part at a swap meet?

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:48:34 -0300
Subject: Re: (no subject)

At 03:26 AM 4/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
>I have a 70 Cutlass with a 350.  I just switched my distributor from
>points to HEI.  The car runs great now, however, my headlights and
>interior lights now flicker.  Can this be caused by the HEI draining the
>alternator too much.  If so, what kind of alternator do I need 0r should
>it be switched to an internal regulator.  Also, how is this done?
>
>Thanks,
>
>
>Steve
>SDKAR@worldnet.att.net
>
>
Not likely directly, as the HEI is less power consumptive than the points
set up was.

Change to a new model alternator w/solid state regulator, either internal or
external; on this list the greatest play has been for the internal type,
which would require an appropiate alternator.

The Wiz

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 17:43:55 -0300
Subject: Re: Advice needed, fender well liners

David Nye wrote:
>
> I finally got my fender liners for my '71. At this point my front end is
> still disassembled. I wasn't planning to put the front fenders back on
> until I dropped the motor back, fired it up, and made sure that I had no
> problems. I don't want to have to work on it over the fenders. My
> question is this... should I install the fender liners first, or wait
> until after I've installed the fenders? I've had both ways suggested.
>                         David Nye
>                         '71 Cutlass Supreme Ragtop

David,

I would place them in loose (or loosely attach them) & then mount the
fenders.  They are a pain to shove in later.  I'm sure that you'd gouge
them up putting them in later.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:51:00 -0300
Subject: Re: heads for sale (update)

At 12:11 AM 4/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>OK I went and had a good look at the heads I listed. ª 383821 BB heads,
>casting letter "A". Olds FAQs state that they are 1965 400-425 cid , 80 cc
>chambers, unique 3/8" stud & nut rocker mounting, using a three piece
>rocker pivot assembly.( they look like chevy heads that have screw-in
>studs.) they have a single machined flat surface for each pair of stud
>holes. There is no rockers or pivots, they have mild surface rust from
>moisture(easy clean up) The valves and springs etc. are installed, have to
>be inspected, cleaned and springs tested. No cracks.
>In olds FAQs I noticed that there is no casting ª for 1964 330cid. My
>original heads are ª385101 if any one knows how to update the FAQs. Plus my
>rockers are a 5 piece system with 2 rockers, 2 pivots, and 1 steel stamped
>cross piece. If any one knows where I can get a few of these stamped cross
>pieces I would be tickled. I got 3 that are cracked.
>I would rather trade!
>Scott
>64 cutlass F-85 conv. 4spd.
>kozhill@titanlink.com
>

Is this the 400 w/adjustable (not shaft, but Chevy style) that I asked about
two or so months ago, and all I received was that such a head does not exist?

What gives!

The Wiz Wonders

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:54:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Charging Problem.  Bat won't hold charge

At 01:20 AM 4/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I have a major problem with a charging system in my 81 Delta 88 307.  The
>battey won't hold charge.  I replaced the bat (had warranty) with a new one
>(they told me the old one was bad), but the problem is still there.  Now, I
>had the alternator tested today and they said it was fine.  So, I think the
>bad cell in the bat caused overcharging, which triped the fusable link
>between the alternator and starter.  The book also says if the accesory
>lights won't come on and/or the car won't start, it is the fusable link.
>The accesroy lights for the CHARGE and BATTERY are NOT working. However, I
>don't know if this is the problem or not.  If anyone has any suggestions as
>to what it may be or how to test or whatever, it would be most helpfull.
>Thanks.
>
>P.S. If it is the fusable link, how difficult is it to repair.
>
>
The fusable like is a inline fuze.  They are a snap to change out.  Buy one,
and put it in a go.  You can check the circuit by jumpering across the link,
to see if things then work properly.  Or check continuity across it.  It
save changing out a good part.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:56:03 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 Hurst Firefrost Paint

At 01:35 AM 4/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Another Hurst Olds question.
>
>Any ideas on where to find the Firefrost Gold paint used for the stripes
>on the 69 H/O?  Mine are faded, but any old gold won't do.  I heard R&M
>Paints has a formula for it, but how do I find this out.  ANY IDEAS????
>Help!
>
>
Call automotive paint dealers!  Find one that has paint books back to when
all Model T's were black, and they should be able to match your color.  I
think all the paint GM used in those days was Dupont, so I would try them
first.

The Wiz

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From: "Gilbert Russell" <russellg@dmv.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 1997 23:54:51 -0300
Subject: Fw: 8.5" rear end for G-bodies

- ----------
> From: Gilbert Russell <russellg@dmv.com>
> To: wreilly@acad.bryant.edu
> Subject: 8.5" rear end for G-bodies
> Date: Monday, April 07, 1997 10:54 PM
>
>
> You wrote
>
> >I got this information from my '85 Factory Chassis manual.  My
> >Haynes manual for 74-87 lists most of these codes also. So I'm pretty
sure
> >that these are the same from the late 70's to late 80's for Cutlass,
Delta
> >88 and Custom Cruiser.
>
>
> Along with the GT4  3.73 code on the sticker in the trunk I've got the
code
> 8PZ on the sticker what does this cross over to in your book.
>
> Thanks in advance
> Gil Russell
> 84 H/O

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:04:12 -0300
Subject: Re: new olds owner needs advice

At 03:01 PM 4/6/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Dan Lapp wrote:
>>
>> Hello All,
>>         I'm new to the list and to owning an Olds. Just bought a '72
>> Cutlass, 350, 2bb, automatic. Body needs work but is otherwise sound - 29k
>> miles on it (no, not 129k). I'm wondering what it would take to put a 4bb
>> and dual exhaust on it - is it possible/desirable? Any other advice you'd
>> care to offer a newbie is most welcome.
>> Thanks
>>         Dan Lapp - dlapp@webxfm.com
>
>
>Dan,
>
>Unless you are serious about originality, I would do both.  The 4-barrel
>is a simple swap of an intake & a carb.  These are rather plentiful yet,
>but get the parts from a '69-'72.  The '68 has a separate choke that
>isn't the best idea that Olds ever had.  Even a big Olds intake & carb
>will work from a 350 engine.  Make note of all hoses, wiring, & throttle
>attachments on the doner car so that you have an easy swap.  Get as many
>of these parts from the doner as you can.
>
>The dual exhaust is simply a go to the muffler shop & get it made item.
>Expect a couple of hundred $ for a complete system.
>
>Bill Culp
>Decatur, Alabama
>
>
>

You MAY need to find an exhaust manifold too!  Depends on what your car now
has.

The Wiz

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:11:10 -0300
Subject: Re: I feel less young...

Karl; If I can remember, back when we used to use dual points, thet were
used to stop or control the "floating" of single points at high RPMs. They
took some patience to set them up, as you had to set both dwells. Soon
after a newer version of single points come out that could handle high
RPMS. Since in reality we hardly ever ran for beer at over 6000 RPMS, the
dual point set-up was hardly ever needed.I truely believe that you can not
beat a good HEI. Their mech. advance is easily tailored to any needs, and
as long as you make sure they are getting lubricated, they last forever.
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:20:17 -0300
Subject: Re: 69 H/O mirrors

At 11:01 AM 4/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-04-07 00:36:12 EDT, you write:
>
><< As a last-ditch effort, if the pieces have a molded lip or such on them,
> Eastwoods has a rubber-molding kit for creating such items. Again, you'd use
> your originals to create the form, and then just pour some liquid rubber
> into the mold. >>
>
>I used Eastwood's kit to make the gaskets for my '69, and they didn't turn
>out too bad. Some bubbles in the rubber, but otherwise OK.
>
>Jon
>
>

I made the pads that go under the headlamp bar on my '31.  I bought one of
the kits from Eastwood, and have found several sources for the casting
rubbers.  These gaskets are sort of tear drop shape with a raised lip around
the outer edge.  The first set I made had many, many air bubbles in them.  I
called a rubber casting expert, and he said to make up the material.  Then
put it in a bell jar, evacuate the air, the bubbles come right out of the
part being cast.  My second set was as good as Oldsmobiles original part!  I
did have the originals though, very tired, very much hardened rubber, but
they made a good pattern for making the mold.

The Wiz

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From: MROTHE <MROTHE@prodigy.net>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:23:00 -0300
Subject: Re: Fw: 8.5" rear end for G-bodies

Gilbert Russell wrote:
>
> ----------
> > From: Gilbert Russell <russellg@dmv.com>
> > To: wreilly@acad.bryant.edu
> > Subject: 8.5" rear end for G-bodies
> > Date: Monday, April 07, 1997 10:54 PM
> >
> >
> > You wrote
> >
> > >     I got this information from my '85 Factory Chassis manual.  My
> > >Haynes manual for 74-87 lists most of these codes also. So I'm pretty
> sure
> > >that these are the same from the late 70's to late 80's for Cutlass,
> Delta
> > >88 and Custom Cruiser.
> >
> >
> > Along with the GT4  3.73 code on the sticker in the trunk I've got the
> code
> > 8PZ on the sticker what does this cross over to in your book.
> >
> > Thanks in advance
> > Gil Russell
> > 84 H/O


Gil,

The 8PZ code sounds like it could be the code for the left rear spring.
Although I could not verify it 100% by the PZ in the chassis manual.
They used a 6, 7, 8, 9 coding system with two letters following the
number. 6= left front, 7= rt ft., 8= lt. rr., and 9= rt.rr.  So the PZ
is actually the code for your left rear spring.  Check to see if the
other numbers exist.  ie 6HH, 7QZ, etc.  They probably have a different
code for each spring, so they might not all match.

I hope this helps.

Mike Rothe

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:26:51 -0300
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Where does  it go?

At 04:43 AM 4/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>
>     Were those diesels per chance?  I've heard that is a common failure
>     mode for the Olds diesels, never heard of it happening to an Olds gas
>     engine (then again I haven't been inside to many of 'em).
>
>     Tom Lentz
>     tlentz@teknon.com
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: Re: Where does  it go?
>Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET
>Date:    4/4/97 9:38 PM
>
>When I was working, I had an very large supply of boat anchors that at one
>time were Oldsmobile engines, and without exception they stopped being
>engines and were available to the yachting crowd because of rear main
>bearing cap failure.  The caps would fall apart in pieces.  While they may
>be the biggest they were not adquate.
>
>
>
Of course they were diesels.  The diesels used the BB size mains too, not
the little ones usually found on the SB.  Olds claims that by the end of
production they had fixed the problem, but by then it was too late.

The Wiz

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:24:30 -0300
Subject: Re: '75 omega

At 03:46 PM 4/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi ! I am new to this list. My first car was a '78 cutlass sup. Crashed 10
>years ago now I have chance to buy a '75 omega belong to an old lady.
>Any suggessions and things to look for ? engine size ? v6 or v8 ?

Welcome to the list, Lynn; I had my eye on an Omega of about the same
vintage a number of years back which had the "SX" option. I thought that
would be a nice complement to my '70 Cutlass Supreme SX, even though the
Omega version was literally just stripes (it had the V-6).

Look for rust around the suspension mounting points, and deterioration of
the rubber items (fuel hose, brake lines, bushings, etc). One thing about
little old lady cars; though they may not have been driven much, they're
still old and things deteriorate whether they're used or sitting still. In
fact, if the car is well-used, the things that otherwise would deteriorate
from age would have worn out and been replaced, so ironically the best
candidate for an older used car is one that has seen regular use in trips of
ten miles or more.

Of course, look for standard rust in the rocker panels and floors, which are
structural members in unibody cars such as these.

These cars came with either the 231ci Buick V-6 or the Olds 350ci V-8 (I
believe; not hard to guess which option is more desireable... Later ones may
have gone to the "corporate" [Ch*vy] 305, but maybe not yet in 1975). The
hatchback versions of these were pretty neat as well.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:24:38 -0300
Subject: Re: starfire 66

At 06:02 AM 4/6/97 -0400, you wrote:
>do you know where I can found somepoeple whith an OLDSMOBILE STARFIRE
>1966 with 425 CI V8 in the world. and in USA, Canada, and Europe.
>I leave in France, I have never see an other STARFIRE in france.

Well, Vincent, I live in the USA and *I* never see a Starfire of those early
years either. I suppose your car must cause quite a stir wherever you go (do
you run over 2CV's like little bugs?).

>Where I can found some piece for my car?

Post your needs to this list; if someone doesn't have that part, they can
tell you where to get it.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:24:41 -0300
Subject: Re: The Holy Order of Rocketeers

At 07:05 PM 4/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>  At some obscure time in the future, I feel certain I shall recieve a
>revelation from the lord God. The contents of this vision are likely to
>illuminate me as to the true path to salvation. I imagine it shall be
>something like this;
>
>  The Lord will command me to create a religious group, The Holy Order of
>Rocketeers (THOR). This group will grow closer to spiritual Oneness by
[snip]
>Oldsmobiles that would almost certainly affect the upper echelon at
>Oldsmobile....
>
>Well, that obviously hasn't happened so I guess I'll fill out my 1040 now.

As a professional theologian, I'll offer to provide the scriptural proofs
for your interpretation of that vision. Just tell me which religions
scriptures you'd like me to use... (I'm partial to the 1969 Shop Manual,
though I can't accept the Technical Service Bulletins as divinely inspired)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:24:33 -0300
Subject: Re: (no subject)

At 04:54 PM 4/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Steven Karlecke wrote:
>> my headlights and interior lights now flicker.
>
>Run the distributor hot wire directly to + on your battery.

And on an HEI, that doesn't result in being unable to shut off the car?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:30:43 -0300
Subject: Re: PS Brackets (was: Springs 'n' things)

At 01:38 PM 4/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>...What about the accessory brackets on a 350? Are they the same as a 455?
>
>All but the power steering pump brakets are identical. I believe that you
>have to adjust one hole on the PS bracket to work on the 455.
>
>          Actually, the power steering pump brackets are identical
>          also (same part number).  The brace that goes to the exhaust
>          manifold bolt has both holes drilled in it already; simple
>          line up the correct hole at installation.
>
>          Joe Padavano
>          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
>
>          66 442
>          68 W-30
>          69 H/O
>          70 W-30
>
>
>
You can take all the brackets off a 350 and use them on a 455, as a set.  In
practice they you cannot mix and match, and as long as you intend to use the
same accessories no problem.

I remember having a problem with a/c pump clearance under the HOOD on one
engine change, but I attribute that to using the 350 motor mounts with a BB.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:33:33 -0300
Subject: Re: RE: Brothers & Kanter Info

At 03:12 PM 4/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Your right there is no excuse for a company like Kanter to be sending used
>bearings and mis-matched parts,  and the wiz has a valid point about them
>taking the money.  Perhaps all this illistratees is that it is important to
>plan ahead when dealing with  specialty products and suppiers.
>
>
I think one point that was missed on my original post to this thread, was
that Kanter and others ARE speciality houses, and not general parts houses.
They should KNOW exactly what you need, maybe even better than you do!!!

To me that is the point of speciality houses.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:35:36 -0300
Subject: Re: car info

At 02:00 PM 4/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>>I know it is not olds related but does anyone out there know of a place,
>>club, or mail info site such as this fine one, that relates to 67
>>firebirds( thats pontiac).
>
>Check out a good listing of links to Pontiac clubs at
>
>http://www.helix.net/~snaz/ppplinks.html
>
>(which is itself a Pontiac club site, so don't forget to follow their
>"Back to main page" link as well as the others; I'm posting this here,
>in addition to emailing it to kozhill, because it's worth a visit to
>this web page just to see the sight of about two dozen Pontiac logos
>doing pirouettes like the Radio City Music Hall Rockettes.)
>
>>Sorry about the "P" word but it would be a great help!
>
>Well, you're not the only Olds fan with a Pontiac here.  :-)
>
>Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
>Datalogics, Inc.
>101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
>Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282
>
>
Andy,

In as much as you brought up the 'Rockettes,' I have a piece of Ropckette
trivia.  Do you know where they performed before they went to Radio City?
Or does anyone else?

The Wiz

P.S. I could be persuaded to buy a Pontiac if a nice, fairly priced 1932
came my way.

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:36:03 -0300
Subject: Re: Charging Problem.  Bat won't hold charge

At 10:54 PM 4/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>P.S. If it is the fusable link, how difficult is it to repair.
>>
>The fusable like is a inline fuze.  They are a snap to change out.  Buy one,
>and put it in a go.  You can check the circuit by jumpering across the link,

Most fusable links I've seen are not regular fuses that you can change out,
but rather thin wires encapsulated in a heavy rubber insulator. When the
circuit overloads, that wire burns out and breaks the circuit. The rubber
insulator may bubble from the heat, but it can also remain intact and look
like new. Repair usually involve cutting out the old fusable link and
soldering a new one in place. There should be two on your car coming off the
"+" terminal of the starter (the two smaller wires there); they'll probably
be wrapped up with tape, and you have to drop the starter to get at them in
the first place. A major pain.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:39:53 -0300
Subject: Re: (no subject)

At 05:54 PM 4/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Steven Karlecke wrote:
>> my headlights and interior lights now flicker.
>
>Run the distributor hot wire directly to + on your battery.
>
>--
>John "Shoe-Man" Schumacher
>North Texas Olds Club ª25464 Dynamic 88
>Dallas, Texas69 442
>OCA ª02115174 Cutlass Supreme
>
>
Pull out the steering wheel lock, and you too can own any car (1969 and
newer that is).

Anon. I

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From: Nascarnut5@aol.com
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:44:17 -0300
Subject: Any W-41 Owners out there?

I would like contact with the other 203, 1991 Quad442, W-41 owners out there.
 I bought mine new, and would like to chat with other owners of this cool fwd
car.

Steve
Nascarnut5@aol.com

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:49:17 -0300
Subject: Re: Manual transmission drive shaft

At 10:44 PM 4/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Hi Gang,
>
>I am trying to find a manual transmission drave shaft (the one-piece model
>rather than the rubber-dampened one from auto-trans cars) for my 1968 442.
>Has anyone out there got one to sell?  Or can you point me to an interchange
>that will work (the salvage yards around here are short on Oldsmobiles but
>long on Chevys).
>
>Thanks for any help,
>Bob
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
> Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
> 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
> Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
>-----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
Buy one of the a/t versions and take it to a drive shaft rebuilder and have
it re-tubed.  Cheap and easy.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:44:54 -0300
Subject: Re: TCC solenoid

At 09:55 PM 4/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Tom,
>        That solonoid is the only problem I have seen on the 200-R4 trans. I
>work on cadillacs for a living and have seen this many times on the 200's and
>my 85 Delta also had this problem. The solonoid is easy to change and is not
>expensive. For the money i would to this first.
>                                                     Steve
>
>
And the oil and filter while yhou're under there.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:50:17 -0300
Subject: Re: 8.5" Rear end again

At 05:25 PM 4/7/97 -0300, Lloyd Culp wrote:

>
>I am in need of something similar in a posi-traction type.  My 3.91 is a
>killer.

Bill, we never get those good rears. Most of the cars we get are mid 80's
Cutlass, 88 and 98's. Anything older than a 75 happens maybe once every two
months. 72 and older cars are extremely rare for us to have.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:50:29 -0300
Subject: Re: '75 omega

At 11:24 PM 4/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Hi ! I am new to this list. My first car was a '78 cutlass sup. Crashed 10
>>years ago now I have chance to buy a '75 omega belong to an old lady.
[snip]
>Welcome to the list, Lynn; I had my eye on an Omega of about the same
>vintage a number of years back which had the "SX" option. I thought that
[snip]
>These cars came with either the 231ci Buick V-6 or the Olds 350ci V-8 (I

Oops; the *later* cars come with these engine options (the SX I looked at
had the V-6; would that have been a '77?). If the car is equipped with the
250ci (Ch*vy!) I-6 , it's have to be in pretty spectacular condition to be
something I'd consider. The performance of that motor is, uh, _less_ than
inspiring.

How much is she asking? I hope she doesn't think she's got a gold-mine there
in her "collectable" car.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:55:21 -0300
Subject: Re: The Holy Order of Rocketeers

At 12:24 AM 4/8/97 -0300, you wrote:
>At 07:05 PM 4/7/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>  At some obscure time in the future, I feel certain I shall recieve a
>>revelation from the lord God. The contents of this vision are likely to
>>illuminate me as to the true path to salvation. I imagine it shall be
>>something like this;
>>
>>  The Lord will command me to create a religious group, The Holy Order of
>>Rocketeers (THOR). This group will grow closer to spiritual Oneness by
>[snip]
>>Oldsmobiles that would almost certainly affect the upper echelon at
>>Oldsmobile....
>>
>>Well, that obviously hasn't happened so I guess I'll fill out my 1040 now.
>
>As a professional theologian, I'll offer to provide the scriptural proofs
>for your interpretation of that vision. Just tell me which religions
>scriptures you'd like me to use... (I'm partial to the 1969 Shop Manual,
>though I can't accept the Technical Service Bulletins as divinely inspired)
>_______________________________________________________
>Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
>Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918
>

Are their amateur theologians?

The Wiz Really Wonders

P.S. Did I ever relate the time a computer, at college, sent me to a church
administration class instead of American History.  Well...

------------------------------

From: FERRERO@uno.cc.geneseo.edu
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 01:44:48 -0300
Subject: Re: Charging Problem.  Bat won't hold charge

hi.  about the charging system...

Make sure you have good tight connections at the termanals, that there
are no cracked or frayed wires, (and as you said...) a good battery.

also, make sure you polarize your voltage regulator...  (if your car
requires doing so)  this can also prevent a charge.

- --jj

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 00:47:00 -0300
Subject: Re: W-30 Optioning

At 08:48 PM 4/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Has anyone ever heard of a 4 speed non a/c non power steering and of
>course non power brake '70 W-30 with power windows?
>
>Danny
>
>
Why not.  I had an Uncle once that bought a new 1953 Buick, and it had PB
and manual steering.

The Wiz

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From: IRONMAN <jev114@email.psu.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 01:06:31 -0300
Subject: Re: Any W-41 Owners out there?

Welcome Steve

i'm not a W-41 owner but i love to drive the quad 4. there are several w-41
owners here for you to chat with!! do you do any racing with yours?

Jeff

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 01:07:59 -0300
Subject: Re: Any W-41 Owners out there?

Steve,
My car is not a W41, it's a W40, but I'd like to hear what y'all have to
say.  I might throw in my occasional two bits( and ask questions).

       Jim Townsend

On Tue, 8 Apr 1997 Nascarnut5@aol.com wrote:

> I would like contact with the other 203, 1991 Quad442, W-41 owners out
there. >  I bought mine new, and would like to chat with other owners of this
cool fwd > car. > > Steve > Nascarnut5@aol.com > >

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 01:17:10 -0300
Subject: Re: '75 omega

At 12:24 AM 4/8/97 -0300, you wrote:

>>Hi ! I am new to this list. My first car was a '78 cutlass sup. Crashed 10
>>years ago now I have chance to buy a '75 omega belong to an old lady.
>>Any suggessions and things to look for ? engine size ? v6 or v8 ?


>These cars came with either the 231ci Buick V-6 or the Olds 350ci V-8

I don't think so, Robert.  My 1975 dealer album shows the inline 6 as
standard and the 260 and 350 V-8s as options.



>believe; not hard to guess which option is more desireable... Later ones may
>have gone to the "corporate" [Ch*vy] 305, but maybe not yet in 1975).

True.  No 305 V8 was available in any Olds in 1975.



Dan


************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 01:17:06 -0300
Subject: Re: '75 omega

At 05:36 PM 4/7/97 -0300, you wrote:

>> >Those are rather good cars.  They are related to the Camaro & Firebird.
>>
>> They are?  I thought the Omega was a corporate twin of the Chevy Nova,
>> Buick Apollo, and Pontiac Ventura.  I owned a '75 Nova, and while it had
>> four wheels and it really was a Chevy, there wasn't much else about it that
>> reminded me of a Camaro.  :)
>
>The chassis, brakes, suspension, & cowl are used on the early Camaro.
>These parts interchange too.  They are a great source of disc brakes &
>other parts for Camaro/Firebird cars.
>>

Oh.





Dan

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From: "Arlie P. Asbury II" <aasbury@wvu.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 01:42:34 -0300
Subject: Re: e mail

yea and real drivers dont drive their grandma's wagon around either!

At 02:58 AM 4/4/96 -0400, you wrote:
>At 02:22 PM 4/3/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>MS CINDY L NICK wrote:
>>>
>>> how can i get off this list 1800 e mails a day is too many
>>
>>Hey!  Somebody has been shorting me some e-mail.
>
>Simple, get in your mail reader program, and go to the configuration menu.
>When it asks to leave mail on server, click yes, and then you, too, can get
>1800 or more E-Mails a day.  Boy, talk about an esteem booster!  :)
>
>      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
>      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
>      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
>      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
>      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
>      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
>             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)
>
>
>

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From: Dustin Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 01:50:25 -0300
Subject: wagons

On Tue, 8 Apr 1997, Arlie P. Asbury II wrote:

>
> yea and real drivers dont drive their grandma's wagon around either!
> >
> >      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
> >      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
> >      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
> >      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
> >      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
> >      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
> >             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

HEY!  I happen to have a '68 olds that used to belong to my grandma but I
dont remember her making appropriate use of the rocket 350 and the posi

Dustin Cross
'68 olds WAGON
'89 cutlass supreme
and no chevy cars

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From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 02:04:47 -0300
Subject: Re: heads for sale (update)

WHIZ; I haven't seen a pair like these either. But as far as I can figure
they must be like chevy. With studs, they wouldn't be able to take normal
olds non-adjustable, aluminum cross pieces. They must take the same
adjustable pieces that my 64 has. I got them from a friend that used to
race olds equiped boats.They have good sized valves in them. I already
dropped compression in my car from 10.25 to 9.5, so I can run our nice
canadian fuel. If I put them on it would be more of a power loss.
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 04:55:14 -0300
Subject: Re: Seatbelt chime module

At 11:27 PM 4/7/97 -0300, you wrote:
>Tom
>I was out in the local junk yard last weekend and saw a few 84 cutlass's I
>would be glad to dig through them to see if I can pull one off for you.
>One requirement though, since mine does not work also ( I can faintly hear
>it) let me know where it is located at on the car.  I'll let you know how
>much the yard charges for it.
>
>Gil Russell
>
Didn't see if anyone has tackled this one or not.  The "convenience cluster"
(I think is what they called it) containing a couple relays and the dinger
module, or some similar stuff like that  (I ~could~ go look...  Oh, screw
it.........  OK I'm back, didja miss me?)  Looks like the module, two
relays, and spots for two flashers, (at least the one in my basement has
that_)  The whole unit is secured to the backside of the dash to the left of
the steering column, under the main instrument cluster.  If you stick your
head under the dash, and look to what's most likely now your right, you
might see a yellow relay up around the area of the hose leading to the
farthest AC vent.  (About 1/2way between the steering column and the brake
release handle...)  To make the location description clearer, I'll use f*rd
terminology.  Measure halfway between said brake release and steering
column, and mark with an "X"  Now punch really hard.  If your hand
successfully went through the dash, you should have broken out a circular
shaped chunk of vinyl coverred plastic.  Attached to the back of this piece
you will find a plastic box with a few parts plugged into it.  These are the
parts you want!  :)

(Warning, do not ~actually~ try this, as these are respectable vehicles we
are cannibalizing!:)

Other note, keep in mind that Olds used at least two styles here, the
bi*ch-buzzer, and the chime module.  I think they both looked the same,
although one had a 200% higher probability of being thrown out the window!
(Quite likely achieved by using the f*rd authorized procedure mentioned
earlier!)

Also, note that the exreme procedures outlined earlier are for locating the
component only.  Removal is feasible without hacking thing up severly,
although the little clip at the base of the module is a real pr**k!

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455

             Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
                       .     .    . .
                   .        .    .  .
              ___     .    .    . .    ___
              `-_--__  .  . ___ -  __--_-'
                `-_  ---_ ./   \_--  _-'
                  `--_ /.\|  "  | __-'.  .
                    __-\_/\--__/_-
               . . /     \/      \  . . .
             .    | .'.  |    .`..|.      .
                  .\_____/\______/   .
                .        |ªª|.^.
              .          |ªª||  .
                         |ªª|| ACK ACK Phftt!---        |ªª|| .
                        / / ||:..
                       | | /  |
                       | ' |  |
                      / \_/   |
                    _-        |

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 04:55:04 -0300
Subject: Re: I feel less young...

>
>Out of my entire fleet of cars (I'd have to count to know how many I
>actually have....most run :) I only have two that are younger than me a
>'78 blazer and a '89 cutlass supreme, the most vintage is a f*rd '29 model
>A truck  45 years older than I  and the only ford I would not trade for a
>6-pack

     ***of Oly***

I've taught him well, eh?  His fleet still doesn't outnumber mine, but the
competion's definately there :)

Duster... About that bumper.  What shape is it in? How about chrome strips
in the cover?  Cracks, etc?  Could still use a driver's side 1/4 extension
panel (the piece beside the taillight)  I need the bumper shocks, as well.
Check's already written out (almost...  Honest ;)  It's good, too!)
     I remember the techline stories circulating around a few months ago.
Especially liked the cupholder.  My mom says thats what my step-dad's likely
to do when theirs shows up  :)



However, real cool drivers have ~gobbs~ of fun smoking cornvettes with their
grandma's station wagons, or at least their friends'  (Trust me on this one!
:) > >> >> yea and real drivers dont drive their grandma's wagon around
either!

>> >             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)
>
>HEY!  I happen to have a '68 olds that used to belong to my grandma but I
>dont remember her making appropriate use of the rocket 350 and the posi
>


             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455

             Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
                       .     .    . .
                   .        .    .  .
              ___     .    .    . .    ___
              `-_--__  .  . ___ -  __--_-'
                `-_  ---_ ./   \_--  _-'
                  `--_ /.\|  "  | __-'.  .
                    __-\_/\--__/_-
               . . /     \/      \  . . .
             .    | .'.  |    .`..|.      .
                  .\_____/\______/   .
                .        |ªª|.^.
              .          |ªª||  .
                         |ªª|| ACK ACK Phftt!---        |ªª|| .
                        / / ||:..
                       | | /  |
                       | ' |  |
                      / \_/   |
                    _-        |

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From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 05:04:41 -0300
Subject: Crankcase tech quiz

    Well, the Rockit developed a new little quirk recently (actually, I
think it just recently got worse...)  I have excess crankcase pressures.  I
get a strong supply of smoke coming from the oil fill tube, and the PCV
breather, and from the PCV grommet when I pull the valve out.  On cold
mornings when I fire 'er up, the smoke is so thick I can see it coming
through the AC vents inside!  I haven't done a compression test, but the
spark plugs are staying remarkably clean.  I'm not burning any oil to speak
of.  Blow-by was my first suspicion, but I have almost completely ruled that
out, due to the spark plugs.  I feel pretty safe in assuming I've already
figured out the cause, but I'll let our fellow list-techs take a stab at it
before I give my thoughts.  Any takers?  (BTW, the most reward I can give is
an "attaboy" or "attagirl," cuz I don't have a supply of really cool oil
pump drive rods (or even rubber stamps) that I can spare :(

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455

             Real Cars ~Don't~ Wear Bowties!
                       .     .    . .
                   .        .    .  .
              ___     .    .    . .    ___
              `-_--__  .  . ___ -  __--_-'
                `-_  ---_ ./   \_--  _-'
                  `--_ /.\|  "  | __-'.  .
                    __-\_/\--__/_-
               . . /     \/      \  . . .
             .    | .'.  |    .`..|.      .
                  .\_____/\______/   .
                .        |ªª|.^.
              .          |ªª||  .
                         |ªª|| ACK ACK Phftt!---        |ªª|| .
                        / / ||:..
                       | | /  |
                       | ' |  |
                      / \_/   |
                    _-        |

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From: "Thomas G. Stoner" <tgstoner@umich.edu>
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 08:13:11 -0300
Subject: 1979 Hurst/Olds Parts For Sale (4/8)

I have the following Oldsmobile related items which I would like to
sell:

Cast center covers for 1979 Hurst/Olds aluminum wheels.  Used, with some
pitting on the chromed portion and some fading of the gold paint.  I
have two.  $15.00 for one or $25 for both, including shipping to any
address in the United States. (4/8/97)

Notify me directly at tgstoner@umich.edu if you would like to purchase
these items or if you would like additional information about them.
Thank you.

          ===
+======= | | | = Tom Stoner =======================+
|        | | |   OCA ª3943                         |
|        |/|\|   Ann Arbor, Michigan               |
|        | | |   1979 Hurst/Olds (It's for sale!)  |
|         ===    tgstoner@umich.edu                |
+==================================================+

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From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:14:12 -0300
Subject: 1985-87 442 Stripe Part ªs

Here ya go:

Part Numbers for 1985-87 442 Exterior Stripes

                                Black    Gray     Dk Blue  Dk Red   White
Part Description                1985-87  1985-87  1986-87  1986-87  1985
==========================================================================
Stripe: F/Bpr Rub Strip - RH    22528704 same     same     same     same
Stripe: F/Bpr Rub Strip - LH    22528705 same     same     same     same
Decal: F/Bpr Fascia "442"       25528697 same     same     same     same
Decal: F/Fascia "442" (1987)    25530186 same     same     same     same
Stripe: F/FDR-RH                22528698 22528736 25529168 25529174 22528722
Stripe: F/FDR-LH                22528699 22528737 25529169 25529175 22528723
Decal: Door Letters "442"       22528708 same     same     same     same
Door: Stripe                    22528700 22528738 25529172 25529173 22528724
Stripe: R/QTR-RH                22528702 22528740 25529170 25529176 22528726
Stripe: R/QTR-LH                22528703 22528741 25529171 25529177 22528727
Stripe: R/BPR Rub Strip-RH      22528706 same      same    same     same
Stripe: R/BPR Rub Strip-LH      22528707 same      same    same     same
Trunk "442" (Gold)              22528697 same      same    same     same
Emblem: Trunk "Oldsmobile"      20000969 same      same    same     same

The parts that are color specific are listed.  If "same" is listed, that
means it is just gold stripes w/o a color backing as a seperator for the top
and bottom colors.

 ---  Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42
| | | 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
|/|\| brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA



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From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:12:04 -0300
Subject: Attn. Maryland Olds Lovers - OCC Meeting 4/8/97

The THIRD OFFICIAL meeting of the Oldsmobile Centennial Club is TODAY !!
Tuesday, April 8, 1997 starting at 7PM.  The meeting will be held at :

ERNIE SWANSON OLDSMOBILE
410 N. CRAIN HIGHWAY, GLEN BURNIE, MD 21061-3009
Phone: (410) 768-8800
Fax: (410) 768-1948

All we ask is that you NOT park in front of the dealership as they will be
open. Please park to the right of the showroom, down in front of the
service bays, there is plenty of room.  We have a meeting room in the back
and to the left in the showroom building.  Someone will be in the showroom
to show you where the meeting is. We shouldn't run past 8:30PM.

If you know of anyone else who might be interested, and not on the
newsgroup, please pass the word along and or bring them with ya.  There are
23 current members in the club and 1 event has been scheduled ( the cruise
@ the Big M Drive-In in September), another on the drawing board for June
or July and even a picnic is in the works, along w/ a caravan to a local
Oldsmobile event.  There is a wide variety of Oldsmobiles represented, add
yours to the list.  We will be discussing caravan to Congressional Olds
Show May 4, other local events, club logo design , name the newsletter
contest, Cruise Nite events planning and whatever else comes up.

There is still the opportunity to be a founding father in a car club, as
anyone who joins before June 1 will be able to sign the bylaws.  Anyone who
joins this year will be considered a Charter Member.

Anyone interested in joining, or know of someone who might be interested,
drop me some e-mail.  I have directions to the meeting.  If you plan on
coming, please e-mail me so we have a head count for refreshments.
(Deli Tray Again From the Dealership !)


Thanks for the bandwidth.

 ---   Brad Nicholson
| | |  1987 442 W-42  ( Custard Yellow Primer )
| | |  1994 Eighty Eight LSS
|/|\|  (W) brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
| | |  Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---   Oldsmobile Centennial Club - MD

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From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 1997 10:09:00 -0300
Subject: Re: new olds owner needs advice

You guys wrote:

 Hello All,
         I'm new to the list and to owning an Olds. Just bought a '72
 Cutlass, 350, 2bb, automatic. Body needs work but is otherwise sound - 29k
 miles on it (no, not 129k). I'm wondering what it would take to put a 4bb
 and dual exhaust on it - is it possible/desirable? <SNIP> The 4-barrel
is a simple swap of an intake & a carb.  These are rather plentiful yet,
but get the parts from a '69-'72.  The '68 has a separate choke that
isn't the best idea that Olds ever had.

>>>The 69 had the separate choke also !!!!

  Even a big Olds intake & carb will work from a 350 engine.  Make note of
all hoses, wiring, & throttle attachments on the doner car so that you have
an easy swap.  Get as many of these parts from the doner as you can.

>>>Don't forget the throttle cable! The cables look the smae but the 4V
cable is slightly >>>longer. The 2V cable is a tad too short, and won't snap
into the bracket at the carb.

The dual exhaust is simply a go to the muffler shop & get it made item.
Expect a couple of hundred $ for a complete system.

You MAY need to find an exhaust manifold too!  Depends on what your car now
has.

>>>>No, you won't need different exhaust manifolds !! Single and dual
exahsut >>>>Cutlasses used the same manifolds. The 2nd outlet on the RH
manifold gets >>>>capped in a dual application.

*************************************************************
John Pajak     "DR. OLDS"
Lexington Park, MD
Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL

65 Delta 88
66 Toronado
69 Cutlass S
70 Cutlass S W31
70 442 W30 convert
72 442 W30 convert
72 Delta 88 convert
+ others

Garage ground-breaking tomorrow !!!!

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