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oldsmobile-digest           Friday, 4 April 1997        Volume 01 : Number 594

OCA Chapter List From "Journey with Olds" April '97
8.5" rear end identification
Air cleaners & spark plugs
Re: 84/HO Gauge Problems/ Neat thing about Netscape_Mail
Date:Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:23:24 -0400
Re: '69 4-4-2 air cleaner color
Re: funny story
Re: 84/HO Gauge Problems
84 H/O Ground locations
Codes on Frame '87 Olds
Re: suspension modifications
Re: T-Tops
Re: Power Steering Adjustment
Re: Aluminum Intake
Re: Air cleaner
Re: 84 H/O Wet weather woes
Re: supplier reputations
Sorry for reposting click-to button info
RE: Doug Thorley Headers
Re: supplier reputations
Re:  air cleaner color / other colors
Brothers & Kanter Info
Re: Codes on Frame '87 Olds
Olds Centennial update
Re: Codes on Frame '87 Olds
Re: supplier reputations
Re: photos-photos-photos
Re: Codes on Frame '87 Olds
Fw: need parts,parts, and more....
Fw: intake manifold ?
Re: 6500rpm Vista Cruisers (was Re: Idioms for Easter)
Re: Compression ratios
Re: supplier reputations
Re: Idioms for Easter
Re[2]: Aluminum Intake
Re: photos-photos-photos
Re[2]: Idioms for Easter
Re: photos-photos-photos
heads for sale
Re: Re[2]: Idioms for Easter
RE: Gates Car - was Re: photos-photos-photos
Re: photos-photos-photos
Re: photos-photos-photos
Re: Gates Car - was Re: photos-photos-photos
Re: supplier reputations
Re: Re[2]: Aluminum Intake
Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
RE: supplier reputations
Bench to buckets
Re: heads for sale
Re: photos-photos-photos
Re: Bench to buckets
Seat upgreade on Delta 88 ($5.00 at junk-yard)
Exhaust Trumpets and Brothers Auto.
Re: questions
8 Track Tape Player
Where does  it go?
Re: Idioms for Easter

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From: brad.nicholson@ssa.gov
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:52:19 -0400
Subject: OCA Chapter List From "Journey with Olds" April '97

I never recieved this back in the digest, which leads me to believe that the
original is in Internet Mail Heaven somewhere, so I'm sending it again.  For
those who did receive it already, I apologize

 ---
| | | Brad Nicholson
| | | 1987 442 W-42 (Custard Yellow Primer)
|/|\| 1994 Eighty Eight LSS
| | | Oldsmobile Club of America ª18984
 ---  Oldsmobile Centennial Club - Future Chapter of OCA

============================================================


Oldsmobile Club of America List of Chapters     As of 4/1/97
============================================================

Archway Chapter
11366 Birminghan Court
St. Louis, MO  63168

Blue-Gray Chapter
6 Arwin Drive
Hummelstown, PA 17036

Bluegrass Rockets Chapter
3703 S. Joyce Ann Ln
Alexandria, KY  41001

Capitol City Rockets
PO Box 331
McLean, VA  22101-0331

Derby City Olds Club
1051 East Main Street
Louisville, KY  40206

Dixie Oldsmobile Chapter
2173 Westbury Ct.
Marietta, GA  30064

Eastern Massachusetts GMO
PO Box 424
Danvers, MA 01923-2055

Eastern Sierra Oldsmobile Club
PO Box 20852
Reno, NV  89515

Eastern Virginia Oldsmobile Club
PO Box 6146
Chesapeake, VA  23323

Oldsmobile Club of Florida
PO Box 80
Winter Park, FL  32790-0080

Gem City Rockets, Inc.
155 Sesame Street
Springfield, OH  45066

Great Plains Olds Club
PO Box 6724
Lincoln, NE  68506

Greater Cincinnati / Northern Kentucky Chapter, OCA
6738 Springdale Road
Cincinnati, OH  45247

Heart of America Chapter
3511 S. Crane Street
Independence, MO  64055

Illinois Valley Olds Chapter
816 13th Street
Rockford, IL  61104

Indiana Olds Chapter
8827 E. Co. Rd. 550 S.
Indianapolis, IN 46231-4107

Oldsmobile Club of Iowa
4693 Fame Avenue
Clofax, IA  50054

Long Island / New York City Chapter
527 S. Pecan Street
Lindenhurst, NY  11757

Mid-Atlantic Chapter
1310 Victory St.
Greensboro, NC  27407

Mid-Ohio Chapter
1184 Fairview Avenue
Columbus, OH  43212

Minnesota Olds Club
13049 Herald Ct.
Apple Valley, MN 55124

Motor City Rockets
45744 Cumberland
Shelby Twp., MI  48317

Music City Rockets
5036 Marchant Dr.
Nashville, TN  37211

New England Olds Club
Box 603
Southampton, MA  01073-0603

Northern California Chapter
5762 Collier Canyon Road
Livermore, CA  94550

Northern Ohio Chapter of OCA
4067 Cherokee Tr.
Brunswick, OH  44212

Olds Club of New Jersey
PO Box 147
West Berlin, NJ  08091

Olds Club of New Mexico
724 Arizona SE
Albuquerque, NM  87108

Olds Club of Southern California
PO Box 661224
Arcadia, CA  91066

North Texas Oldsmobile Club
PO Box 38524
Dallas, TX  75238

Oklahoma Oldsmobile Association
1008 S.W. 69th St.
Oklahoma City, OK  73739

Puget Sound Chapter
PO Box 82042
Kenmore, WA  98028-0042

R.E. Olds Chapter
PO Box 20103
Lansing, MI  48909

Rallye 350 Chapter
37 Georgia St.
Cranford, NJ  07016

Rendezvous Rockets
615 E. Mutton Hollow Road
Kaysville, UT  84037

Rocky Mountain Old Club
PO Box 54
Arvada, CO  80001-0054

Smokey Mountain Olds Club
PO Box 1543
Powell, TN  37849-1543

Texas Gulf Coast Chapter
2807 Heritage Colony Drive
Webster, TX  77598

Western New York Olds Club
437 Esther St.
North Tonawanda, NY  14120

Olds Club of Wisconsin
PO Box 435
Sturtevant, WI  53177




OCA SPECIALTY CHAPTERS
======================

Oldsmobile Cutlass Coupes (73-77)
4237 Lookout Trail
McFarland, WI  53558

Oldsmobile Performance Chapter
155 Sesame Street
Springfield, OH  45066

Starfire/Jetstar I Chapter
2657 April Dawn Way
Gambrills, MD  21054

Toronado Chapter
PO Box 211
Council Grove, KS  66846

1957 Chapter
PO Box 3096
Arcadia, CA  91066



OTHER CLUBS AFFILIATED WITH OCA
===============================

British Columbia Oldsmobile Club
790 W. Queens St.
N. Vancouver, B.C., Canada
V7N-216

Northern Lights Chapter
213 Kaskitayo Ct.
Edmonton, Alberta T6J-3T3 CANADA

Oldsmobile Club of Canada
PO Box 383
Delaware, Ontario NOL-1E0 CANADA



OTHER NATIONAL OLDSMOBILE CLUBS
===============================

National Antique Oldsmobile Club (NAOC)
11730 Moffitt Lane
Manassas, VA  22111-3122

Curved Dash Oldsmobile Club
3455 Florida Ave., North
Minneapolis, MN  55427

Hurst/Olds Club of America
60520 Lamplighter Drive
New Hudson, MI  48165


OTHER OLDSMOBILE CLUBS
======================

Oldsmobile Centennial Club
7 Fencerow Ct.
Baltimore, MD  21236-1668
e-mail: 76062.3042@compuserve.com
(Newly formed, will become OCA Chapter 8/97)


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From: Daren@qconline.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:05:42 -0400
Subject: 8.5" rear end identification

OL>Hey everyone,

OL>   Well now I'm looking for an 8.5" rear end for my '87 Cutlass and wanted
OL>to know how to I.D. one. Does anybody know the codes for this rear end and
OL>where it is located? I know these rears came in the 442's and the GN's but
I OL>would like to know for sure what I am getting. Also, can someone tell me
OL>what to look for when I'm checking it out so that I get one that is in good
OL>shape? Thanks!

OL>Andy Geeting
OL>'87 Cutlass Supreme
OL>'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
OL>'74 Delta 88 convertible
OL>'78 Caprice wagon
OL>'36 Plymouth coupe


I know this isn't what your asking about, but about 6 or 7 years ago a
friend of mine put a rear end out of a '64 Chevelle in his '84 Cutlass.
It's an inch or two wider witch means you can put fatter tires on it
with stock rims. The coil spring perch isn't in the exact same location.
He left it there and has not had any problems because of it.


Daren

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From: "Chris R. Smetana" <Chris_R._Smetana@dadc.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 08:49:51 -0400
Subject: Air cleaners & spark plugs

Ladies and Gentlemen
     I have a question concerning identifying a couple GM air cleaners.
They look identical and one has a 1972 copyright on it and states something
like applicable only for 1972 service.  The stickers on the air cleaners
that tell the engine code (or is it the code for the sticker that pertains
to the engine code) idle rpm, spark plug type and gap etc., are LA and TA
or TN, they are somewhat hard to read.   The spark plug type that one
sticker says is R46T.  One air cleaner stats what looks like a 250 CU and
1bbl application.  Does anybody have any idea what I may be looking at?
Since I have recently moved, I don't have my books and manuals unpacked
yet, so I thought I would consult the vast knowledge of oldsmobile list
members for help.  Thanks for any help you may provide.

Chris Smetana
Terre Haute, IN
chris_r._smetana@dadc.com

1969 Cutlass W-31
2 1966 GTO's - one is a parts car
1971 Skylark custom convertable
1989 Mustang LX 5.0 hatchback

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:22:34 -0400
Subject: Re: 84/HO Gauge Problems/ Neat thing about Netscape_Mail

Just wondering, how much of a split did you say there was between battery
+ alternator, I've never noticed a big split?

Also, for a sure fire way of checking the circitry, etc.. If you can,
hook up a live wire and a ground directly to your gage.  This is now the
true reading of your gage (I've seen a couple gages that don't read that
accurately, maybe you got two of them?)

On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Brandon & Gilbert Russell wrote:

> Question to anyone that can help.
>
> The Voltage gauge in my H/O always reads in the yellow.  I've had the
> battery and alternator checked and the both read good  around 13 for the
> battery and 14 for the alternator.  I spent yesterday searching the local
> yard to find a replacement gauge after two hours and $10.00 I found one.  I
> installed it and it reads the same.   The only other problem I have is that
> some times all the gauges stop working and cannot not find any pattern as
> to when they cut out.  I pulled all the gauges and cleaned the terminal,
> same results.  Any solutions would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks Gil Russell
>



Netscape (and I imagine others) Mail
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
On the note of Pics, etc.. I just found out (most of you may
already know, but I'll say it anyway)  You can make 'click-to' buttons
right in your e-mails.  The format is:
<A HREF="http://www.442.com">HIGHLITED TEXT</A>

This is also not too hard to read for people (me) who would see it 'as
is' with our mail programs.



EA~

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From: "Scott Shannon" <scottnlisa@thurston.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:23:24 -0400
Subject: Date:Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:23:24 -0400

unsubscribe oldsmobile-digest

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From: Oldoldsguy@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:41:13 -0400
Subject: Re: '69 4-4-2 air cleaner color

In a message dated 4/1/97 11:56:24 PM, you wrote:

<<        Someone here mentioned a match for the red that's on the '69 4-4-2
air cleaner. They said it was a Volwswagon red.  It may have been Greg but
I'm not sure.  Anyway I checked the VW color charts and I found a couple of
reds.  I need to know which red it was that was referred to.
>>

Look at Ford Engine Red!

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:48:45 -0400
Subject: Re: funny story

Hi all,

I know this may not be Olds related but it can be indirectly :-), here's
how:

Today on the way to work, I am driving my L*nc*ln TC and decided to
see how fast the old 2 barrel 400 CID tank could do in the 0-35mph
and 0-60mph test.  I am using the 1000-1 etc test for timing.  I know
real accurate!  Well she did 0-35mph in a whopping 5 seconds and
0-60mph in an bone-chilling 13 seconds.  What a dog!  The car couldn't
even get out of its own way.  Granted it is heavy (6000 lbs) and has
a 2 barrel, however, it is a dogggggggg.

The Olds content for this message is that I miss driving my 442 :==(
The insurance company is still dragging their feet.  I gave them until
today to get an answer to me.  I am planning on seeing an attorney
today at 3:00 pm anyway.  I hate dealing with insurance companies!

Later...

Chris Sparks
68 442 (Upset since she is not being driven by Chris)

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From: "Brandon & Gilbert Russell" <russellg@dmv.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 10:50:47 -0400
Subject: Re: 84/HO Gauge Problems

Where exactly is this circuit board located at?  The gauges mount on a blue
plastic liner is the circuit board behind this?

Thanks Gil Russell

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From: "Gilbert Russell" <russellg@dmv.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:01:14 -0400
Subject: 84 H/O Ground locations

Can anyone tell me where all the ground wire/straps are in this car.  That
is besides the battery, and the one right behind the distributor.  I'm
trying to solve my mysterious gauge problems.

Gil Russell

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From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:33:40 -0400
Subject: Codes on Frame '87 Olds

Hi, Does any body know what the codes are that are on the frame
near the rear wheels, I have seen these codes before they come in
different colors and are usually two letters. They were on my '86
Cutlass Supreme Brougham and my '87 Cutlass Salon.

There are some 2 to 3 letter codes on my springs also, I was
wondering what they meant.


Peter L. House
phouse@feith.com
'87 Salon Cutlass

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From: JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:32:09 -0400
Subject: Re: suspension modifications

...I'm looking for information on the procedure in the june/july 87 h/rod
titled Knuckle sandwich. The supplier (H-O Racing) has moved w/out a trace.
I need the tie end rods they were fabricating to complete this procedure to
my 65 442. Any info will be greatly appreciated!

          Someone recently posted that they had the info on the
          company (companies) who had taken over distribution of the
          HO Racing products.  I missed a couple of days, so I didn't
          see if the info was actually posted of not.  I'd like to get
          the phone numbers also, if possible.

          Another possibility is Global West Alignment in the San
          Fernando Valley.  They also market the ball joints and
          hardware necessary to add the F-body steering knuckles to an
          A-body.  In addition, Global West markets a tubular upper
          A-arm for use with this knuckle.  The new A-arm eliminates
          the need to use excessive numbers of shims to maintain
          proper wheel alignment with this knuckle - the stock A-arm
          must be shimmed significantly inboard in this application,
          resulting in potential clearance problems with headers.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30


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From: "Bruce D. Brumm" <bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:34:01 -0400
Subject: Re: T-Tops

>>
>> Are the T-tops on the 84 Hurst Olds different than the t-tops on a regular
>> Cutlass.
>> Josh
>
>NOPE!  In fact, the 84 through 87 Cutlass/Hurst/442 T-Tops are the
>same.  I'm not sure about the pre-84 or 88 RWD though.
>
>I have a set of spare tops from a '79.  The glass is the same as the 83's,
>but the latch is different, and they won't clamp down.
>Parts book shows same ª's for 82 to 88, but they show a latch ª change in
'>86.  Of course, I have yet to see a RWD Cutlass of '88 model year, ever....
>Much less an '88 with T-tops...   Hmm.
>Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"

My '86 Salon has T-Tops; they have a lock mechanism in their latch assembly.
Personally, I haven't seen any pre-86 Cutlasses with locking T-Tops.
Anyway, that could account for the change in part number.

I do see RWD '88 Cutlass Supreme Classics around now and again.

Bruce D. Brumm
'86 Olds Cutlass Salon, 307-Y, black, T-Tops, guage package, bucket seats,
etc. '84 Olds Custass Supreme 307-Y, blue, rusty. '75 Olds Cutlass Supreme
350, gone and NEVER forgotten.

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From: "Bruce D. Brumm" <bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:34:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Power Steering Adjustment

>Hello its Enio, again w/more questions on my '87 Olds. Cut. Sup. 307

>ª 2.) I'm also having trouble finding how to adjust and tighten the power
>steering belt because its squeeking.  I have looked for something to adjust
>the belt but can't seem to find it.  Can someone help me?

>  I just started trying to restore and sup up my Olds. and still learning
>about fixing cars.  Thats why my questions may sound kind of stupid.  If
>someone can help me please E-Mail me at NjOlds@aol.com.  Thanx.

The only stupid questions are the ones you DON'T ask.

On my '84 Cutlass 307-Y, there are 3 or 4 holes in the Power Steering (PS)
pulley.  I kick the starter over a couple of times until a hole lines up with
the "pivot" bolt.  Seems like there are a couple of other bolts holding the PS
pump in place.  As I recall, I removed these.  DON'T remove the bolt behind
the pulley.  Don't ask how I know this... :)  Once the hole is aligned with
the bolt a socket will fit on nicely. LOOSEN the bolt until you can move the
pump resevoir with your hands.

Get a flashlight or trouble-light and look between the pulley and the
fluid resevoir; you should see a "tang" -- a notch with a raised flange.
It looks like a 2 ft. screwdriver or a long piece of 1/8" thick steel (~1 1/2"
wide) with a notch cut in the end would fit.  It will. I used the steel piece
because I didn't have the screwdriver and happened to have a piece of steel.
ANYWAY, insert your tool of choice and push towards the drivers side quarter
panel.  When the belt is tight enough, tighten the pivot bolt. "Installation
is the reverse of removal". Ha.

Oh, I don't remember WHY I changed this belt.  I think I had all the others
off for replacement, and it was a MIGHTASWELL job.  Hope this helped.

DISCLAIMER:
Sorry for the length.  If I've forgotten any annoying details, like the fact
that the entire front end must be disassembled to get to a certain bolt, then
time has blocked this from my mind.  I've barely even looked under the hood
of my '86 in the last year and a half.  I just change the oil occasionally.
(I only drive it about 6 miles a day.  I live REALLY close to work :) )

Bruce D. Brumm
'86 Cutlass Salon, 307-Y
'84 Cutlass Supreme, 307-Y
'75 Cutlass Supreme 350; gone and NEVER forgotten

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From: "Bruce D. Brumm" <bdbrumm@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:33:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Aluminum Intake

>  Assuming it doesn't have the obvious "Edelbrock" stamped on it, then
>  it's probably a late-model SB olds intake.  The 260's _all_ came with
>  aluminum intakes, but are easy to ID because of the small port size
>  and 2bbl carb flange.  The 307 VIN 9's (The high-output version on
>  '83-'84 H/O's, and '85-'88 442's) came with an aluminum 4bbl manifold.
>  Tom Lentz
>  tlentz@teknon.com
>
>I came across a part that I couldn't identify, maybe someone else can:
>it was obviously a small block Olds intake, aluminum, but what confused
>me was that it had EGR ports.  Did they do CA intakes this way for the
>W31 cars?  Any value to it?
FWIW, both my '84 and '86 307-Y Cutlasses have aluminum intakes.
This is EASILY verified when changing the intake manifold gaskets! :)

Bruce D. Brumm
'86 Olds Cutlass Salon, 307-Y, T-Tops, Guage Package, loaded...
'84 Olds Cutlass Supreme, 307-Y, rusty...
'75 Olds Cutlass Supreme 350, a.k.a. "The Trailmaster"

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:39:09 -0400
Subject: Re: Air cleaner

Hi all,

I have an odd question to ask y'all.  As all of you know I have a
68 442 with the factory air cleaner.  I had brought my car to
Originality Plus' owner's house to show the car and also to pick some
stuff I purchased.  Will he looking at the engine, he said to me
"What is that attached to your air cleaner?"  I told him that I did
not know and thought it to be originally there.  He said he never saw
anything like it on any air cleaner before.  Here's an attempt to
describe the object:

First off my orientation of the air clean is such that open
hole points towards the passenger's side of the car.  On the driver's
side was this object.  There is a piece of metal extruding from the
engine that forms an open loop with a hole punched at its apex.  Sort
of looks like something would plug into the hole.  This object was about
3 inches long.  Metal on top and rubber? on the bottom.  I thought maybe
the rubber part fit into the looped piece of metal, however, it gave
a real strained fit for the air cleaner and the breather tube.  The
metal
part looks like a screw top on a soda bottle.  It had some kind of
washer
looking insert.

Any clues.  (I know you all think I am crazy, but..., well little
things sometimes tend to bother me)

Thanks in advance,

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:22:03 -0400
Subject: Re: 84 H/O Wet weather woes

>On dry days the car runs great and on rainy days it runs like crap.
>The cap and rotor are fairly new and seem dry. The wires are new.

I sense a little fudging there: how new is "fairly new"?  :-)  I'd pull
the cap and rotor for a closer look: hairline cracks, carbon tracking,
etc. Go to the trouble of pulling the cap off the coil and extracting
the coil itself to check everything in there as well.

Re: the wires: make sure you're not pinching any over sharp edges, etc.

Are these AC-Delco or aftermarket parts? I've seen some real garbage
aftermarket stuff, especially in distributor caps.

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:55:54 -0400
Subject: Re: supplier reputations

Would someone please post the numbers for Brothers and Kanter.

Thanks
Ray

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:05:57 -0400
Subject: Sorry for reposting click-to button info

<plaintext>
Sorry for reposting this only mildly olds related info,
It occured to me that users of mail programs that support 'click-to'
buttons would see my message as a 'click-to' button.

With this plain text command at top, you should now see the format as:

<A HREF="http://www.cs.uregina.ca/~aksomi/">My Home Page</A>



Sorry to "Non-Olds" up this list, but click-to buttons to refferred
web-sites are really handy.  (Of course, if you went to my homepage and
saw my list of links to cool oldsmobiles, this message wouldn't be
comnpletely un-olds!)




EA~

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From: The Viking <avar@infinet.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 11:48:19 -0400
Subject: RE: Doug Thorley Headers

Does anyone have an address and phone number for Doug Thorley?
Do they have a catalog?

Thanks

Al


  http://www.infinet.com/~avar



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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:16:57 -0400
Subject: Re: supplier reputations

At 11:55 AM 4/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>Would someone please post the numbers for Brothers and Kanter.
>
>Thanks
>Ray
>
>
Ray

        The number for Brother's is 1-800-442-7278 (for orders only) or
(816) 662-2060, Kanter is 1-800-526-1096 (orders only) or (201) 334-9575.
Hope this helps.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

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From: Jaakko Mustakallio <jaakko.mustakallio@kolorit.fi>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:11:51 -0400
Subject: Re:  air cleaner color / other colors

>In a message dated 4/1/97 11:56:24 PM, you wrote:
>
><<        Someone here mentioned a match for the red that's on the '69 4-4-2
>air cleaner. They said it was a Volwswagon red.  It may have been Greg but
>I'm not sure.  Anyway I checked the VW color charts and I found a couple of
>reds.  I need to know which red it was that was referred to.
>>>
>
>Look at Ford Engine Red!

Easiest way to find correct color for your aircleaner or any other misc
parts color is to use SIKKENS colormap, which has tens of thousands colors
grouped by colours, not by carmakes. That colormap is used worldwide, so if
anyone needs for example correct colourcode for 1965 Starfire 425
aircleaner ( red-orange) I can check it from my car here in Finland (
Scandinavia, Europe! ) and you can buy the same colour from local Sikkens
car paint dealer in India or USA or wherever you live, and it matches
exactly.

Jaakko Mustakallio
Olds Starfire Convertible 1965

P.S.  Discussion of rare cars has been very interesting - starfire conv.
was built only 2136 examples, are there many still alive ?

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From: bryceman@442.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:39:27 -0400
Subject: Brothers & Kanter Info

>Would someone please post the numbers for Brothers and Kanter.

Phone numbers and Web URLs for Brothers and Kanter are listed at
www.442.com  in Parts Sources & Automitive Links areas respectively, as
well as quite a few others.


           Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Oldsmobiles
'66 Dynamic 88 B07 Apprehender  '65 442   '72 Cutlass Convertible
            Email: bryceman@442.com  URL: www.442.com

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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:47:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Codes on Frame '87 Olds

On  4 Apr 97 at 11:33, Peter L. House wrote:

> There are some 2 to 3 letter codes on my springs also, I was
> wondering what they meant.

Those 3 letter/ number codes are factory stickers that give the
strength of the spring.  I went to the Ch*vy dealer, and they
provided a cool chart that listed what springs were heavier than
others, as well as the replacement part numbers.

>From my adventure with the codes, I learned that my front springs
are different strengths (right-left).  But I have no idea why.....

You can check the springs against the option code sticker in the
trunk to see if  they are O.E. (or the same ones)


Mike
'91 W-40 442
'93 W-41 SCX

------------------------------

From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 12:54:30 -0400
Subject: Olds Centennial update

OldsHeidi,

If your out there, can you give us an update on the Olds meet?
How many people registered? How many swaps spots, etc... Thanks!

                                                       ___  ___
                                              /     /    / /  /
                                             / __  /  --/ /  /
       Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick /_/ /_/ ___/ /__/ Red

             (MCORNEA@pt8244.pto.ford.com)  OCAª 4903

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From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:04:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Codes on Frame '87 Olds

I Think that the front ones are different because the engine torque
would probably push one side down, so that one would probably be
stiffer..
Peter L. House
phouse@feith.com
'87 Salon Cutlass

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From: Oldoldsguy@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:48:34 -0400
Subject: Re: supplier reputations

In a message dated 4/4/97 2:12:26 AM, you wrote:

<<Any input on the falling suppliers?  Brothers Automotive, Year One, USA
Auto Parts, Kanter, Paddock.>>

About 8 years ago Brothers Auto restored my 70 W-30.  The quality was
unbelievable!  It was expensive but worth it.  They are the only true
"experts"  I have found in the Oldsmobile hobby.  Thay don't sell Chevelle
parts and don't care to cater to those who want the cheapest items available.
  They are true fans of the cars and  have dedicated their time and resources
to preserving Old oldsmobiles.  I like to deal with specialists like the
bros. as they take the money I spend with them and make more Oldsparts, not
F*rd or C*evy parts.
I believe they represent the best quality/price/delivery option out there.
  They use what they sell and there is always somone there who has worked on
the same car/project/problem your working on.  Real experience beats the kind
of book knowledge the others offer. They also have a website
(http://www.thehost.com/brothers) and can be contacted by e-mail.

One more quick point:  Someone mentioned Tamraz.  STAY AWAY! My wife
purchased a seat kit from them for Christmass several years ago.  It was
coming apart at the seams (literally) when I took it out of the box.  When we
tried to return it because it was defective, they informed her she would have
to pay a %30 restocking fee!  The "discount" bargain turned out to be a huge
headache that cost us about 80 bucks!  Sorry no experience with Kanters.
 Paddock lists C*evy parts in their catalog and they don't seem to have a
clue.  Hope this helps.

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 13:50:40 -0400
Subject: Re: photos-photos-photos

At 03:10 AM 4/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Dear people,
>
>Although I prefer Macs, I think this is stupid. Let's keep this forum on
>OLDSMOBILE talk o.k!?!?! Not stupid apple sucks or windows sucks crap.
>
>Understand, please. :-)
>
>jose nino
>nino@icanect.net
>'94 Olds Cutlass Supreme SL Coupe
>


I don't know that I don't agree about Apples and Windows.  They both suck.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:02:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Codes on Frame '87 Olds

At 11:33 AM 4/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi, Does any body know what the codes are that are on the frame
>near the rear wheels, I have seen these codes before they come in
>different colors and are usually two letters. They were on my '86
>Cutlass Supreme Brougham and my '87 Cutlass Salon.
>
>There are some 2 to 3 letter codes on my springs also, I was
>wondering what they meant.
>
>
>Peter L. House
>phouse@feith.com
>'87 Salon Cutlass
>
>
>
The parts are 'Tagged' when manufactured, if they are destined to be used
for assembly line production.  You might find a little self stick tag on a
coil spring, that is wrapped around a coil and stuck back on itself.  Rear
axles have a similar tag on one of the lugs.  For shipment the drums are
held on my a Tinerman nut or a lug nut backwards.  These tags allow the
assemblers to use the proper parts at assembly.  It is done to differentiate
between the option codes.

On the production line up (master build sheet) each job (car/truck) is
listed, and all the appropiate options listed thereafter.  If you saw the
production line up for the car in question, and it called for a TAI coil
spring, you would find a TAI tag on the coil spring, etc.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:10:19 -0400
Subject: Fw: need parts,parts, and more....

- ----------
> From: scott kozler jo-anne hillier <kozhill@titanlink.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: need parts,parts, and more....
> Date: Wednesday, April 02, 1997 11:45 PM
>
> 64 olds cutlass F-85 conv.(canadian car) 4 spd. 330
> need:
> 4 spd shifter
> center console
> steering wheel
> side chrome
> wheel well chrome
> door mirrors
> rear side windows
> bumpers
> fuel tank
> front signal lenses
> back-up lenses
> rocker panel chrome
> red door panels
> other than that the car is perfect.
> Scott
> kozhill@titanlink.com
>

------------------------------

From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:11:00 -0400
Subject: Fw: intake manifold ?

- ----------
> From: scott kozler jo-anne hillier <kozhill@titanlink.com>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: intake manifold ?
> Date: Wednesday, April 02, 1997 11:33 PM
>
> 64 olds cutlass F-85 conv. (canadian car)
> In 1976 when I got the car I tried to put a quadrajet carb(spread bore)
> intake manifold on the 330. It wouldn't fit. Don't remember much, but I
> thought it was off a 350 olds. Does this sound right? I haven't thought
of
> it since but are they interchangable? I have seen adds that state that
330
> only. I have seen adds that state 330-350 manifolds.Any help would
> be............
> Scott
> kozhill@titanlink.com

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From: James William Townsend <jwt7@dana.ucc.nau.edu>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:10:15 -0400
Subject: Re: 6500rpm Vista Cruisers (was Re: Idioms for Easter)

Hey, that VC-with-the-high-revvin'-400 sounds VERY cool!

Keep us updated on that project; hope it goes smoothly.

      Jim Townsend

------------------------------

From: Death <dldeathe@mail.pittstate.edu>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:12:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Compression ratios

> ratio.  Your camshaft profile probably has the most significant impact on
> what mechanical compression ratio you should run.  A longer duration
camshaft > will allow you to use higher mechanical compression ratio pistons
because it > lowers the effective compression ratio.

Does hold true for cams with a large lobe separation?

------------------------------

From: DKTBAT@webtv.net (doug thompson)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:12:13 -0400
Subject: Re: supplier reputations

Kanter, i-800-526-1096

------------------------------

From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:57:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Idioms for Easter

> And in good old Southern California it was about 65 - no tops down but
> there were alot of nice cars out rolling for those trips to the in-laws.
I
> am heartily sick of red '65 Mustangs however, don't those people know of
> any other color to paint those da*n cars?

Red, really?  Up here in Washington State they are all white.  Just about
as sickening, though.

Paul Rousseau
'67 442

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 06:50:59 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Aluminum Intake

     Reminds me of the time I changed the intake gasket on my '79 260.  I
     got all the bolts out and everything off and it came time to pull off
     the manifold.  Expecting a 50-75lb iron manifold that was probably
     stuck on there pretty good by the gasket (This was the first intake
     job that I ever did), I got my feet planted well, in a comfortable
     position, get a good grip on it, and let loose with a big old "heave
     ho!".  Almost fell over backwards as the intake shot up in the air and
     smashed my fingers against the bottom of the hood.  Gotta laugh when I
     look back on it. . .

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Aluminum Intake Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    4/4/97 8:06 AM

FWIW, both my '84 and '86 307-Y Cutlasses have aluminum intakes.
This is EASILY verified when changing the intake manifold gaskets! :)


------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 15:55:57 -0400
Subject: Re: photos-photos-photos

At 01:50 PM 4/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>At 03:10 AM 4/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>Dear people,
>>
>>Although I prefer Macs, I think this is stupid. Let's keep this forum on
>>OLDSMOBILE talk o.k!?!?! Not stupid apple sucks or windows sucks crap.
>>
>>Understand, please. :-)
>>
>>jose nino
>>nino@icanect.net
>>'94 Olds Cutlass Supreme SL Coupe
>>
>
>
>I don't know that I don't agree about Apples and Windows.  They both suck.
>


Yes, but they still both beat the old Atari Basic!  (Anyone remember
that?!?)  And even that had more computing power than the average mid-80's
GM computers.  If Gates could figure out how to eliminate crashes, we might
see stickers on new Olds's that say "I ~finally~ do windows!"  Well, ok,
maybe not, but there's my Olds content for the thread, at least!  :)

      Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
      500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

------------------------------

From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 07:58:29 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: Idioms for Easter

     Omigod!  Another olds person in Washington State?!?  Don't suppose
     you're on the East side. . .

     I think you're right.  Around here most 5.0's are white (pesky little
     things.  They *never* learn), and most of the older ones are red.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com

______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: Re: Idioms for Easter Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    4/4/97 11:21 AM

Red, really?  Up here in Washington State they are all white.  Just about
as sickening, though.

Paul Rousseau
'67 442


------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:14:14 -0400
Subject: Re: photos-photos-photos

Charley Buehner wrote:

> GM computers.  If Gates could figure out how to eliminate crashes, we might
> see stickers on new Olds's that say "I ~finally~ do windows!"

I wouldn't drive a car, or be in any safety-critical vehicle, that had
Microsoft
code running in it.  To go one step further I would feel comfortable
driving in
such a vehicle that has "C" as its source code language.  My 2 cents.

Chris Sparks
68 442

------------------------------

From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:21:20 -0400
Subject: heads for sale

One pair of 383821 olds heads for sale. My book says 64-67 high-perf. Olds
FAQs says 65 400-425 CID, 80 cc, 3/8" stud. Make offer or trade?
Scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Thu, 4 Apr 1996 16:47:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Idioms for Easter

>     I think you're right.  Around here most 5.0's are white (pesky little
>     things.  They *never* learn), and most of the older ones are red.

>
Hey, we have some black ones here.  Check out this article from yesterday's
paper...

RED LODGE (AP) -- A 15year-old boy in a stolen
car led police on a 17-minute chase up and down U.S.
212 at speeds estimated at 140 to 150 mph before being
apprehended.
 The chase began with a shoplifting call from a
Red Lodge convenience store Tuesday afternoon.
Employees said beer and beef jerky were stolen.
 The call said the shoplifters left northbound in a
black Ford Mustang. Officers at the Carbon County
Courthouse saw the 1994 Mustang Cobra go by and
tried to pull it over north of town, said Carbon County
Sheriff Alvin McGill.
 But the Cobra "came under heavy acceleration,"
McGill said, and the chase was on.
 Carbon County Deputy Kelly Peters chased the
vehicle north until he was told to pull back, McGill
said. Peters reached 126 mph, "and they flat ran
away from him," he said. "I told him to slow down
and see if they would, too."
 McGill said the Montana Highway Patrol and local
officers set up a roadblock at Joliet and were bring-
ing tire-puncturing strips to stop the speeding
Mustang.
 But when the Mustang reached the roadblock, the
boy spun the vehicle and headed south again. A sec-
ond roadblock was set up, but when the boy reached
the second roadblock, he again spun the car around.
 But McGill said the car then went into a skid.
While it was recovering and before it had gained
speed, Peters closed and was able to ram the
Mustang. McGill estimated the Mustang was going
about 10 mph, and the patrol car about 20 mph.

Another report said the police cruiser sustained some $3000 in damage from
this!

Sorry, non Olds content, but automotive interest, at least (besides, one
less 5.slo on the road :)

             Charley Buehner       | mailto:buehner@cis.nmclites.edu
             500 4th Ave.          | mailto:charley@rocketship.com
             Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
             Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
             "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
             "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
                     (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)


 Never precede ~any~ maneuver by a comment more predictive than "Watch this!"


------------------------------

From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 16:47:27 -0400
Subject: RE: Gates Car - was Re: photos-photos-photos

No, please don't associate oldsmobile as a non-person driven car.
No one should rely on, or trust a machine, built by anyone, to avoid
traffic accidents.  I will conceide that ABS is not too bad, since it
only pump's the brakes, but a Gates car that drives for you, NEVER.



For some truly OLDS content though, you could note that I just clocked
over 1000 miles on my car with a cracked head, just take off the rad cap,
put a sock over the rad, add rad-seal, and drive slow (below 40mph).

Also, you could comment on my newest brainwave:
Ram air intake for my '75 olds using an old stock air cleaner, hot glue,
duct tape, and lots of flexible-type vacumn hose!

On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:

> Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> > GM computers.  If Gates could figure out how to eliminate crashes, we
might > > see stickers on new Olds's that say "I ~finally~ do windows!" > >
I wouldn't drive a car, or be in any safety-critical vehicle, that had >
Microsoft > code running in it.  To go one step further I would feel
comfortable > driving in > such a vehicle that has "C" as its source code
language.  My 2 cents. > > Chris Sparks > 68 442 >

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:55:29 -0400
Subject: Re: photos-photos-photos

Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada) wrote:
>
> I wouldn't drive a car, or be in any safety-critical vehicle, that had
> Microsoft code running in it.  To go one step further I would feel
> comfortable driving in such a vehicle that has "C" as its source code
> language.  My 2 cents.

A lot of Windows was written with C (the rest, assembler).  Just goes to
show you that given enough time and money, Microsloth can make a mess out
of just about anything.

Hmmm...

Is that where the Olds marketing weenies came from???

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike

- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: Mike Frederick <edison3@cpeq.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 19:51:40 -0400
Subject: Re: photos-photos-photos

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> WIZ: I don't know that I don't agree about Apples and Windows.  They
> both suck.
>
> Yes, but they still both beat the old Atari Basic!  (Anyone remember
> that?!?)

Also known as Shepardson BASIC.  Noted for it's lack of string arrays.

> And even that had more computing power than the average mid-80's
> GM computers.  If Gates could figure out how to eliminate crashes, we
> might see stickers on new Olds's that say "I ~finally~ do windows!"

Not until there's a buck in for Billy the Geek. (GPF = Get Profit First)

    66 Toro
The /\   /\ and Mike


- --
Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/

------------------------------

From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:07:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Gates Car - was Re: photos-photos-photos

Oops, I meant that I would NOT feel comfortable driving in such a
vehicle that would have "C" as its source code language.

I sure need to learn how to type.

Chris

------------------------------

From: Denney J Keys <Denney.J.Keys.1@gsfc.nasa.gov>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 17:15:32 -0400
Subject: Re: supplier reputations

At 01:48 PM 4/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 4/4/97 2:12:26 AM, Oldoldsguy@aol.com wrote:
>
><<Any input on the falling suppliers?  Brothers Automotive, Year One, USA
>Auto Parts, Kanter, Paddock.>>
>
>About 8 years ago Brothers Auto restored my 70 W-30.  The quality was
>unbelievable!  ...<snip>

All I can say is maybe 8 years ago they were competent, but today, in my
humble opinion, they are not!  I have had the misfortune of dealing with
these jokers, and I can only say that I would avoid them and instead deal
with Fusick's or Year One.

Denney Keys
66 Cutlass Conv.
72 Cutlass
73 Cutlass S 4-4-2
95 Cutlass Supreme SL
 ________
 |  /\  | Denney J. Keys, P.E.
 |  ||  | Code 734 - Space Power Applications Branch
 |  ||  | Goddard Space Flight Center
 |  ||  | Greenbelt, MD  20771
 |  ||  | Phone ª(301)286-6202/Fax ª(301)286-1743
 | //\\ |
 ||/||\||
 |_/||\_|
    /\
   //\\

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From: jkpkobin@discover-net.net (Jeff & Patti Kobinsky)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:11:27 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: Aluminum Intake

>
>     Reminds me of the time I changed the intake gasket on my '79 260.  I
>     got all the bolts out and everything off and it came time to pull off
>     the manifold.  Expecting a 50-75lb iron manifold that was probably
>     stuck on there pretty good by the gasket (This was the first intake
>     job that I ever did), I got my feet planted well, in a comfortable
>     position, get a good grip on it, and let loose with a big old "heave
>     ho!".  Almost fell over backwards as the intake shot up in the air and
>     smashed my fingers against the bottom of the hood.  Gotta laugh when I
>     look back on it. . .
>
>     Tom Lentz
>     tlentz@teknon.com
>
>______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________
>Subject: Re: Aluminum Intake
>Author:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET
>Date:    4/4/97 8:06 AM
>
>FWIW, both my '84 and '86 307-Y Cutlasses have aluminum intakes.
>This is EASILY verified when changing the intake manifold gaskets! :)
>
>
>Another note on aluminum........

Many years ago me and a buddy were scrapping out a 62 buick with the 215
aluminum V8.

We drove down to the local spray and wash and received some mighty strange
looks when the two of us picked the complete motor up out of the back of the
station wagon, gunked it up and sprayed it clean - picked it up and set it
back in the wagon.

It ran good and we sold it for $200 so I could get a 65 425 olds block I
wanted.

When it came time to lift the 425 from donor car, the John Deere tractor
could barely lift it out.

I could not believe the difference in the two motors weight.

I think the olds intake was heavier that the whole buick motor.......
>

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:26:04 -0400
Subject: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

The following is a list of 64-72 Olds Cutlass/442 parts for sale.

64 Cutlass/442
(1) 64 F-85 Fender Emblem (nice) $15.00
(1) 64 V-8 Fender Emblem (good used)  $5.00
RH Headlight Door    $25.00
F. Bumper Core    $75.00
RH Tail Lens    $5.00ea
LH Tail Lens    $5.00ea
Tail Light Bezels (used) $15.00 ea
Steering Wheel Center   $10.00

65 Cutlass/442
(1) 65 V-8 Fender Emblem (good used)  $5.00

66 Cutlass/442
Headlight Doors    $45.00 pr
66-67 Golve Box Door (Mint, black)  $35.00
66 F-85/Cutlass Trunk Molding (Nice) $65.00
66-67 Rear Window Moldings (set)  $75.00 set
66 F-85 RH Taillight Lens and bucket (NIce)  $25.00
66 Cutlass LH Qtr Molding (Nice)  $20.00
66 Front Bumper Core (straight, needs chrome)  $65.00 ea

67 Cutlass/442
67 Front Hood Molding (Very nice, no pits)  $60.00
67 Front Bumper Core (straight , needs chrome)  $65.00 ea
67 C/S Rear Bumper Core (straight, needs chrome)  $65.00
67 C/S 442 Side Moldings (missing three pieces, in good to very good cond)
$20.00 each
400/425 NOS Fuel Pump    $50.00
Headlight Doors NOS   $125.00 pr (Cutlass)
(2) 67 Deluxe Full Wheel Covers  $15.00 ea

68 Cutlass/442
68 442 Grille Emblem (Very nice)  $25.00
68 442 Side Emblems (1 set)  $25.00
68 Lower Dash Panel (radio area) black (Mint)  $35.00
68-69 Left Quarter Panel (whole thing to roof, no rust w/inner wheelwell)
$325.00
68-72 Windshield Chrome Trim $45.00 Set
RH Headlight Plastic   $100.00 ea
Headlight Doors    $5.00 ea
Rear Bumper Core    $65.00 (cutlass)
Rear Window Moldings   $40.00 set
(4) 68 Std. Full Wheel Covers  $75.00 set

69 Cutlass/442
Headlight Doors   $40.00 pr
Hood Tongue   $10.00
LH Tail Light    $20.00
4 Row Radiator Top Plate   $65.00

70 Cutlass/442
70-71 Short Wheelwell Moldings  $100.00 set of 4
70-72 Trunk Chrome Finish Molding  $35.00 ea
70-72 Dash Block Off  $5.00 ea
69-70 442/Cutlass S Hood Louvers $40.00 pr
69-70 442 Cutlass S Hood Louver Bezels $30.00 pr
(1) 69-70 Front Rocket  $10.00
(1) 70 Trunk Lock Rocket (nice)  $10.00
(1) 14x7 HD Steel Wheel  (for dog dish caps) $20.00
Hood Tongue   $20.00 ea
Headlight Doors   $55.00 pr
442 Post Door Panels   $40.00 pr
Cutlass S Grilles   $50.00 pr
455/425/400  Offenhauser 2-4bbl. low rise intake w/2 carter 550 cfm carbs.
(Complete setup w/ linkage) $350.00
70 Cutlass "S" Side Moldings (set) $135.00

72 Cutlass/442
New '72 Main Dash Woodgraining Kit  (around radio area)  $20.00
(4) 72-74 Deluxe Wheel Covers (nice) $50.00 set
Boxed Lower Control Arms  $60.00 pr
Dash Pads (A/C car, 2 black)   $125.00 ea
(5) SSII Wheels 14x7 complete $200.00

Misc: 1986/87  88/98 Wire Wheel Covers   $125.00 set

**** New stuff to list****
70-72 Long Wheel lip moldings  $120.00 set of (4)
70 72 Chrome Hood pins (OAI) nice  $30.00 pr.
14x6 SSI Wheels (All chrome) non disc brakes  $40.00 ea
70-72 Glove box doors (several colors)  $25.00 ea
69 Headlight doors (more sets)  $40.00 pr
69 442 Grilles (very good)  $180.00 pr
71-72 A/C Fan Shroud (correct ribbed one) mint  $50.00
RH 70-72 Door 70-71 Cutlass Supreme tabs (complete, rust free)  $100.00
70-71 Cutlass Supreme Side Moldings (nice)  $inquire
65?-70 B&C Body Rear Coil Springs (almost new)  $40.00 pr
68-72 B-Pillar Molding Set (black, mint) $50.00 pr
12 Bolt Posi Ch*vy Rear 3.73:1 (Posi rebuilt)  $500.00
Rear Hood Molding  $50.00 ea
Cowl/Windshield mouldings  $35.00ea

P.S.  We have more parts in stock, and more coming!  Taking orders for the
reproduction 70-72 Cutlass/442 Auto Trans Console Indicator. They're here.
Looks Great.
$24.00 ea. plus $3.00 shipping.  Let us know if your interested.

Jim Chermack
'70 SX W-32
'72 442
'86 Ninety Eight
'94 Cutlass Supreme
'96 C-1500
Virginia  Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869

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From: "Jim & Tina R." <rabid@cybrzn.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 18:44:43 -0400
Subject: RE: supplier reputations

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From:  oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca[SMTP:oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca]
Sent:  Friday, April 04, 1997 2:53 PM
To:  Rabid
Subject:  Re: supplier reputations


At 01:48 PM 4/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>In a message dated 4/4/97 2:12:26 AM, Oldoldsguy@aol.com wrote:
>
><<Any input on the falling suppliers?  Brothers Automotive, Year One, =
USA
>Auto Parts, Kanter, Paddock.>>
>
>About 8 years ago Brothers Auto restored my 70 W-30.  The quality was
>unbelievable!  ...<snip>

All I can say is maybe 8 years ago they were competent, but today, in my
humble opinion, they are not!  I have had the misfortune of dealing with
these jokers, and I can only say that I would avoid them and instead =
deal
with Fusick's or Year One.

Denney Keys

I agree with Denney 100%. I tried to get a catalog from those clowns at =
Brothers for over 6 months. Guess what, I never got one. When it came =
time to spend my 10 grand, I chose Year One and Fusick. Some parts were =
more expensive and some were cheaper. All I know is they had the items =
in stock, shipped when they said they would, and took anuthing back for =
whatever reason. Cheerfully and without any questions. To me, they are =
much more professional.

Jim Rabideau
rabid@cybrzn.com
70 W30

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From: Steven Karlecke <SDKAR@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 23:33:14 -0400
Subject: Bench to buckets

Im getting ready to change my 70 Cutlass from a bench seat to buckets.
I already have the console, shifter and seats.  Is there any helpful
hints or suggestions that I should be aware of.  Has anyone done this
before and maybe can give me advice on any pitfalls that I might run
into.

Thanks,


Steve
SDKAR@worldnet.att.net

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 21:03:47 -0400
Subject: Re: heads for sale

At 04:21 PM 4/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>One pair of 383821 olds heads for sale. My book says 64-67 high-perf. Olds
>FAQs says 65 400-425 CID, 80 cc, 3/8" stud. Make offer or trade?
>Scott
>kozhill@titanlink.com
>
>

Are there really 3/8" head bolts out there too, for a BB?  This is a BB
isn't it, 400-425?

Curious

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 21:21:54 -0400
Subject: Re: photos-photos-photos

At 07:51 PM 4/4/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Charley Buehner wrote:
>>=20
>> WIZ: I don't know that I don't agree about Apples and Windows.  They=20
>> both suck.
>>=20
>> Yes, but they still both beat the old Atari Basic!  (Anyone remember
>> that?!?) =20
>
>Also known as Shepardson BASIC.  Noted for it's lack of string arrays.
>
>> And even that had more computing power than the average mid-80's
>> GM computers.  If Gates could figure out how to eliminate crashes, we=20
>> might see stickers on new Olds's that say "I ~finally~ do windows!" =20
>
>Not until there's a buck in for Billy the Geek. (GPF =3D Get Profit First)
>
>    66 Toro=20
>The /\   /\ and Mike
>
>
>--
>Michael R. Frederick, CEO           Edison3, Incorporated
>     Tampa, Florida           Data Translation & Communication
>     (813) 210-8649             http://www.cpeq.com/~edison3/
>
>
>
Mike,

I was plesantly found of DOS.  I have a good UNIX box at my fathers house,
although it does take up 1/2 of the kitchen.  I have a SSP machine here at
home that was given to me in good running condition.  One of these days I'm
going to have a little network at home, my VAX, IBM System 36 and some PC's.
Just for fun of course.

I think MS hit their high point when they plagerized CP/M and called it DOS.
Windows is just another profitible step down for ole' Billy the Geek. (I
like that).

Today a car does not really need much computer power, sort of like what a
toaster needs.  However I would think it does need clean code, and if it's
all machine code all the better.  Also OS2 seemed to offer everything to
everybody, so as far as MS is concerened the sooner it dies the better.

My first machine was a S100 buss 8080, with only 22 expansion slots.  I
wonder how I survived with so little room.  A 2S/2D floppy drive was $1149.
w/o controller.  Compared to what the others offered CP/M was the cats.  Oh
well, I think that one is in the attic at my fathers too.  My brother's
roomate in college assembeled a Wavemate and it worked, which was amazing.

Enough for now.  Worth exactly 1.25=A2 at the current rate of exchange.

The Wiz

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 15:45:24 -0400
Subject: Re: Bench to buckets

Steven Karlecke wrote:
>
> Im getting ready to change my 70 Cutlass from a bench seat to buckets.
> I already have the console, shifter and seats.  Is there any helpful
> hints or suggestions that I should be aware of.  Has anyone done this
> before and maybe can give me advice on any pitfalls that I might run
> into.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Steve
> SDKAR@worldnet.att.net

The console is mounted to brackets on the transmission tunnel.  You will
need to mount these either by welding (preferred) or using screws or pop
rivets.  The floor must be cut for the transmission cable & the proper
bracket must be obtained for the transmission type that you have.

A steering column must be secured that has no shift lever.  Many years
are the same & they interchange from different A bodies.  You can use
your Olds steering wheel.

 The bucket seats are mounted to the floor & have reinforcements welded
to the floor at both the door side & the transmission tunnel.  These
should be welded in.  It is possible to make these reinforcements if you
don't have them.  They are used to keep the seats from pulling through
the floor under stress.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: "IT" <todorovb@cadvision.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 21:54:47 -0400
Subject: Seat upgreade on Delta 88 ($5.00 at junk-yard)

Help.  For a long time now I wanted to change the front seats on my Delta
88 (1981 4door). I have stock split bench, and though the seats look nice
and are still in good shape, the springs are old and the design provides no
support.  This weekend, the local junk-yard is having a sale, all seats
$5.00 and all tail-lights $15.00 (not really a deal if you ask me).  Does
anyone know which seats will fit into the Delta and still provide good
support.  I have seen some Riviera seats, buckets, they are nice but I am
unsure wether they will fit. If anyone knows anything about this, any hint
will be helpfull.

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:01:29 -0400
Subject: Exhaust Trumpets and Brothers Auto.

Thanks to the suggestions on this list I order the trumpets from
Brothers.  They were far superior to the other set I have and better
than any I have seen before.  I saw some of the bad comments about
brothers in the other thread.  I've never had any problems with them and
have even called there 800 number (several times) for a quick bit of
technical advise.  They never complained about me calling their 800
number just for advise.

Now that I have the trumpets, should I tack weld them on?  Should I just
slip them on?

- -Dan

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From: Timothy Carl Hietpas <thietpas@csd.uwm.edu>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:03:30 -0400
Subject: Re: questions

On Fri, 4 Apr 1997, SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK wrote:

> Tim- As for G body exhaust systems... Flowmaster Does *not* make a 3" cat
> back for the G body. Never did. The only 3" cat back for a G body is from
> Torque tech(800) 408-0016. It exits like a Grand National, behind the rear
> wheels and is a quality system. You can get em w/ Flowmaster, Dynomax
> mufflers.W/o mufflers, it is $325. W/ Flows, $450. If you wanna another G
body > system try looking at the Dynomax cat back. ª17423 is the cat back w/
mufflers > and stainless tips exiting straight out back like a Monte SS. Jegs
has the > system for $250 including clamps etc. It is a 2.25" id system. >
Frank,

Thanks for correcting my mistakes.  I appreaciate the
information.  This is one of the upgrades I would like to attempt in the
future.  Thanks....

Tim

thietpas@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
1987 Olds 442Plates [1987 W42]

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From: John Oder <jaoder@navix.net>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:35:19 -0400
Subject: 8 Track Tape Player

Hi All,

I am looking for an 8 track tape player for a friend of mine for his
1970 olds W31.I need it to be black in color, because his interior is
black. Any other information on 70 olds W31 out there he would sure
apprecite any.

Thanks,

John oder
70 cutlass SX-W32
70 Cuda 383 Convertible

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From: scotthensley@juno.com (Scott W Hensley)
Date: Sat, 5 Apr 1997 00:32:49 -0400
Subject: Where does  it go?

After reading the mail list for a week or so I have read that the
Oldsmobile 455/425 rocket engine is limited to < 5000 rpm because the
oil pan is being sucked dry. I imagine that all this oil is up in
the valve covers since this appears to be the only place 4 quarts of oil
could go. Does anyone know if this is the case ?

 If this is the case is does anyone know if it is possible to enlarge the
oil drain passages without hitting a water passage or pressurized oil
passage ?

Also, Does anyone know what the oil pump flow volume is on the BB/SB
Oldsmobile engines at different rpm's is or where I could get
such information?

 It would seem to me that the oldsmobile engine should be able to
maintain sustained high speed operation better than any, as it has as
large or larger main and rod bearings as auto engine built.

Scott Hensley

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From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 22:50:39 -0400
Subject: Re: Idioms for Easter

On Fri, 4 Apr 1997 14:57:22 -0400 "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
writes:
>
>
>> And in good old Southern California it was about 65 - no tops down
>but
>> there were alot of nice cars out rolling for those trips to the
>in-laws.
>I
>> am heartily sick of red '65 Mustangs however, don't those people
>know of
>> any other color to paint those da*n cars?
>
>Red, really?  Up here in Washington State they are all white.  Just
>about
>as sickening, though.
>
>Paul Rousseau
>'67 442

Red, White ????  What better color to hide poorly done body work. Maybe
that's why F*rd used a lot of that color........ just a supposition!!!


Katana72
>

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