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oldsmobile-digest          Monday, 31 March 1997       Volume 01 : Number 586

Supercharger
Re: Pace car spotted
Re: How do I fix noisy lifters?
Re: 442 in Missoula MT  and other babble...
Anti Roll Bars
502 swap into '71 cutlass
Re: Misc comments and feedback
1967 Olds 4-4-2  parts  FS
1962 OLDS CVT. rear speaker grill
'87 Rear end
Still laughing... (Was Re: Oil Weight - The FACTS!!!)
Re: RIMS/TIRES
Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass
Re: [Fwd: 4-sale 65 442 conv.]
Olds sightings this past week
Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass
Re: Still laughing... (Was Re: Oil Weight - The FACTS!!!)
Re: [Fwd: 4-sale 65 442 conv.]
RE: Rare Cars?
Re: Oil Weight
Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass -Reply
Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass
Re: Misc comments and feedback
Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass
Re: [Fwd: 4-sale 65 442 conv.]
Re: Misc comments and feedback
Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass -Reply
Re:
Re: [Fwd: 4-sale 65 442 conv.]
1975 455 Cutlass speculations (was Re: Misc comments and feedback)
Chicagoland BOP Swap Meet Get Together This Sunday
Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass -Reply -Reply
Re[2]: [Fwd: 4-sale 65 442 conv.]
Re: yoys
.02 vs .05
Re: .02 vs .05
Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass
Hook It
Re: Re[2]: [Fwd: 4-sale 65 442 conv.]
Re: F-body knuckle swap into A-body; handling improvements
Re: RIMS/TIRES
Re: F-body knuckle swap into A-body; handling improvements
More on the Knuckle Sandwich
1962 Starfire cvt. rear speaker grill
1967 cutass 4-4-2 parts FS
Re: 455 Questions
1973 442 Cutlass
Re: Looking for parts
Re: More on the Knuckle Sandwich
Re: Re[2]: [Fwd: 4-sale 65 442 conv.]
Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass
Re: Misc comments and feedback
Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass
Re: 1973 442 Cutlass
68 W-30 AIR CLEANER WANTED
Re: More on the Knuckle Sandwich
Re: Hook It
Re: Hook It

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From: "Aaron R. Weimer" <aweimer@ameritech.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:46:12 -0400
Subject: Supercharger

Ok.  Well I have found out a little info on the Superchargers for a =
455..  I was lead to believe that you needed the box around the carb.  =
This is only true if you are using a vacuum secondary carb, which I am =
not.  I have the holley 750 double pump, with mechanical secondary.  =
With this carb using a paxton charger you can use the Holley bonnet.  =
Which just mounts on the top of the carb.  It produces a 5-10psi charge =
and you need to upgrade the fuel pump and your finished.  Jetting of the =
carb is obvious, but that will be determined mainly by upping it to I =
think 80's in the front and 85-90 in the back.  I have it at 74 Front =
and 82 back now, for my jetting.. No powervalves or anything else should =
need to be changed..  If anyone has any info that they have come across =
to add to this please do..


Another thing I have found out about in the past few days on an exhaust =
issue.  The X pipe.. If you didn't know already by putting a H pipe in =
you exhaust system you will gain 10-15hp.  The reasoning for this is =
only one cylinder on the engine releases the exhaust at a time.  Thus =
using an H pipe the cylinder will have two tail pipes to exit through.. =
Thus lower back pressure and more power!  Now with the X pipe the =
exhaust is brought together with a gradual curve into an X and then back =
into the mufflers, or flowmasters in my case.  This allows the exhaust =
to more smoothly share the exhaust. and in an article in the Pontiac =
Mag, an X pipe opposed to an H pipe give increases of .5 seconds in a =
1/4 mile!!!  This is unbelievable..  But they put an X pipe on a Olds =
442 wagon, with a 1970 455, with D heads, and it increased the =
performance like you wouldn't believe.. This 4100lb car was running =
12.89 and with the X is was down to 12.28-12.35 with an increase of =
10mph in speed..  This is good news and a easy way to get a .5 second =
off your times if you run at the track. and still like to drive the =
streets.  For me it's just more power.  and the more the better..

Aaron=20

1972 4-4-2 W30

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From: Greg Kalkhoff <gkalkhof@execpc.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:43:48 -0400
Subject: Re: Pace car spotted

david wyatt wrote:

> For years and years they have used two door cars to pace the race and I
> think it should be a requirement.  Will Olds have a special two door car
> for the actual pace car?

Dave,

Not likely. Though I haven't been as involved in Indy Cars like I used too, I
believe there was/is a rule about pace cars. It used to be that they had to
be of a certain production threashold and available to the public. In other
words, custom, prototype, or one off cars were not allowed. This was the
problem with the Viper a few years ago as it was considered a prototype and
not enough were made by the manufacturer for general sale. When
Dodge/Chrysler got the production numbers up and it was offered (albeit in
limited numbers), they met the criteria that allowed it to qualify as a pace
car.

So, unless Oldsmobile produces and brings a two door Aurora to the market, it
will/should remain a 4 door pacing the race.

I agree that a 4 door paceing the Indy 500 seems odd. I can't recall a 4 door
ever pacing the race (in modern times) anyway.

This is under the assumption that Tony George hasn't messed with that too.
Although, nothing would surprise me anymore with that debacle down in
Speedway Indiana!

Sparky
- --
Greg Kalkhoff                                        See the Sparkmobile
Toronado FAQ Administrator
http://www.442.com/kalkhoff.html http://www.execpc.com/~gkalkhof/torofaqs.htm
AKA "Sparky"

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From: John Schumacher <jd.schumacher@baylordallas.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 11:32:57 -0400
Subject: Re: How do I fix noisy lifters?

Brendan P. Foley wrote:
>
> My lifters are getting noisy in my 350 Rocket.  Do I remove the intake
manifold and replace them or is there some way of adjusting them?  I have a
stock 71' Cutlass Supreme. > > Thanks > Brendan Foley > St. Louis, MO.

If your oil pressure if ok, you probably need to replace your rocker-arm
assemblies.

- --
John "Shoe-Man" Schumacher
North Texas Olds Club ª25464 Dynamic 88
Dallas, Texas69 442
OCA ª02115174 Cutlass Supreme

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From: Scott R Clark <mickeyd@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:58:49 -0400
Subject: Re: 442 in Missoula MT  and other babble...

> This is mainly towards Dustin and Scott, but others nearby can take note
> and follow the thread, too.  A friend (Powell...) was down there last week
> and saw a 442 for sale.  He guessed a '72, but the body he described
> sounded more like '67.  Anyway, he said it was really sweet, and he wished
> that he had a camera with him to show me it.  It's in front of a church on
> Reserve Street (?) if that helps out any.  Ya guys want to check it out?

Cool!  I'll check it out today.  If anyone wants details, let me
know.


Scott
1960 Oldsmobile Rocket 98

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From: phouse@thor.feith.com (Peter L. House)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:03:22 -0400
Subject: Anti Roll Bars

Hi. The G body Oldsmobiles have different type of anti sway bars.
I was wondering, what was the thickest for the front I thought that
it was the 32mm/ 1 1/4in one, is that the biggest?  That is the one
that came with '87 Cutlass Salon f41 option. The rear one is 7/8
inch. The reason that I had this question is because I had seen in
a parts book a 1in for the rear, Is this true??

Peter L. House
'87 Cutlass Salon
phouse@feith.com

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From: Gregory M Zimmerman <gzimmerm@runet.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:23:41 -0400
Subject: 502 swap into '71 cutlass

I just blew up my 350 trying to see how fast my car would go.  I got to
128 and the rev limiter (5000 rpm MSD chip) didn't hit yet, then next
thing I knew I was laying a smoke cloud James bond would have been proud
of.  I slowed down and heard the oh-so-bad rod knock.

I only had 36,000 on the rebuild with APR rod bolts, forged pistons, SS
valves, roller rockers, high volume oil pump, etc.  Anyway, I guess the
oil pan got sucked dry :(

I want in put in Chevy's new 502ci/502HP crate engine- the spec sheet
says to put the motor into a Chevelle, the oil pan and pickup needs to be
modified.  Does that mean with a sledge hammer or what?

Anyone put a Chevy big block into a cutlass?

- -greg
gzimmerm@runet.edu


Any help on the swap would be appreciated.

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From: CRuper1@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:25:40 -0400
Subject: Re: Misc comments and feedback

In a message dated 97-03-31 10:28:15 EST, you write:

<< BTW, this weeks mail has been particulalarly cool, so I'd like to say/ask
 a few things:

 As per electric cars, don't trains use a diesel over electric system to
 power them (heard that, no idea if true, don't laugh if I'm wrong!)
  >>

Trains are not driven by the diesel motors.  The primary mover is electric,
the power for which comes from the running of the diesel motors, to generate
the electricity.

Chris Ruper

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From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@quix.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:37:27 -0400
Subject: 1967 Olds 4-4-2  parts  FS

> Just ran across some parts in my attic.
1---RH door lower stainless moulding. Two small 1/4 inch size dings on the
face. Otherwise, no damage. Easily repaired. $55.00 as is    $75.00 dings
worked on, show polished, ready to put on car.

2-- I believe this is a hood moulding partª393725.  Nice chrome no dents. I
need some info on this one. Does anybody make this piece yet? I am
wondering,because this could be a real nice pattern to reproduce from. I
don't know the demand for this item. Can anybody help me? If there is a
demand, i would consider tooling up for reproducing this moulding. Exact
lookalike, in the price range of  $119.00-$139.00 ea. I would like some
feedback on this one from everybody interested.  Thank you in advance
sincerely   Mike Aldana            maldana@quix.net

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From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@quix.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:43:38 -0400
Subject: 1962 OLDS CVT. rear speaker grill

>Found this item today in my attic. This should fit 1961 also. Some light
pitting,small area towards bottom side. Has emblem, and backing. No
speaker, otherwise all there.
$75.00 OBO takes it. Will have to be plated, and detailed to make it show.
Clean and paint, useable as is.      mike      maldana@quix.net

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From: Andy Geeting <geetinag@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:48:01 -0400
Subject: '87 Rear end

Hey everyone,

   This week I'm going junkyard shopping for an 8.5" rear end for my '87
Cutlass. I know that these came in the 442's and Turbo Buicks but I would
like to know what the numbers should be so that I can be sure. What are the
code numbers and where do I find them on the rear end? Thanks a lot!

Andy Geeting
'87 Cutlass Supreme
'88 Cutlass Supreme Classic Brougham
'74 Delta 88 convertible
'78 Caprice wagon
'36 Plymouth coupe

BTW, I've decided not to put that shif kit in just yet. Seems it's turning
into more than just that. Why do things always seem to do that? Oh well,
thanks for all the advice anyway. It probably saved me a lot of trouble!

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:51:46 -0400
Subject: Still laughing... (Was Re: Oil Weight - The FACTS!!!)

>OK, if you really want to know about oil check this site out:
>
>http://www.paranoia.com/~filipg/HTML/AUTO/Fils_Auto.html

Ummm, okay... Well, I did, and while the guy has done a good job by
offering reprints of articles like the Slick-50 "Snake Oil" debunking
and the like, I got a big kick over an article of his own, which is
entitled "Convering [sic] ANY side-marker lights to turn signales [sic]"

Now, I've done that myself, and wrote an article on it which is under
Bryceman's technical pages on our website. I thought I got complicated
in trying to explain it (the bottom line is you simply jumper the marker
lamp so it bridges the parking and turn-signal circuit), but this guy
takes it to the next level, with extra sockets, a relay (!), rosin,
flux, 38 feet of towing cable and a small pig named Elmer. Hmmm... maybe
he didn't list _all_ of that... whatever...

Anyway, given that GM has somehow managed to do this for decades now
(by simply jumpering the marker lamp as above), I would have thought his
first step would have been to read a wiring diagram and see how cars with
blinking marker lights did it, but instead he apparently engineered his
own method. Gotta love that do-it-yourself enterprising approach, right?
I am anxiously awaiting his instructions on changing a flat.  :-)

You can read it yourself at

http://www.paranoia.com/~filipg/HTML/AUTO/F_marker2turn.html

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:05:00 -0400
Subject: Re: RIMS/TIRES

You Wrote:
             "Hello.  My name is Enio, I'm new to this group.  I have a 1987
 Olds. Cutlass Sup. V-8,  307ci.  Can anyone tell me how big I can go on Rim
& Tire size without rubbing.
 Please E-mail me at NjOlds@aol.com.
The factory option was the 15 x 7 215 65 R15. I had the American
Racing Outlaw II on the Cutlass and it would rub the upper fender
on the outside, I think that the offset was wrong for that rim, but
the factory Ralley wheels won't rub because they have the right
offset."
********************************
>>Also remember that a P 235 60 R15 is a direct replacement for the 215 65s.
I'm going to put 235 60 R15s on 15 x 7 Superstocks on my 86 Cutlass at tire
change time VS P 215 70 R14s on the 14 x 6 Superstocks. The bigger tires are
only about $10 more each !!!!

John Pajak    Dr Olds
********************************

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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:06:46 -0400
Subject: Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass

On 31 Mar 97 at 13:23, Gregory M Zimmerman wrote:

> I just blew up my 350 trying to see how fast my car would go.  I got
> to 128 and the rev limiter (5000 rpm MSD chip) didn't hit yet, then
> next thing I knew I was laying a smoke cloud James bond would have
> been proud of.  I slowed down and heard the oh-so-bad rod knock.

Ouch!

> I want in put in Chevy's new 502ci/502HP crate engine- the spec

> Anyone put a Chevy big block into a cutlass?

Oh no!  That's sure to spark a great number of glowing responses....

Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442  - OLDS Powered!
'93 W-41 SCX   - OLDS Powered!

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:15:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [Fwd: 4-sale 65 442 conv.]

At 11:01 PM 3/30/97 -0500, you wrote:
>65 442 CONV 4-SALE.  POWER EVERYTYHING(SEATS, WINDOWS, ANTENNA), AIR,

Power windows on a '65? That's not stock, right? Weren't they only offered
after 1968?

>TACH, AND  TOTALLY RESTORED INCLUDING PAINT, ENGINE, SUSPENSION,
>INTERIOR, TIRES, CHROME, AND TOP. ALL PROFESSIONALLY DONE. 12,000 B/O.
>CAR IS WHITE WITH A WHITE INTERIOR AND TOP.  IT'S LOCATED ON CAPE COD,

Other than that, I'd love the car (oh, yeah, and the fact that I don't have
12 grand...)
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "John Richmond" <richmond@tir.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:19:49 -0400
Subject: Olds sightings this past week

This past week I have have a few Olds sightings.

Last Thursday morning I saw a beautiful light green 64 cutlass on 13 mile
near
Hoover in Warren, MI.
On Friday evening I saw a light blue with white top 61 Dynamic 88 sedan
being
pulled on a tow dolly at 15 mile & Groesbeck in Clinton Twp. MI.

Just curious if anyone on this list owns or knows someone who owns these
cars?

John Richmond
Warren, MI
richmond@tir.com

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From: Gregory M Zimmerman <gzimmerm@runet.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:26:01 -0400
Subject: Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass

>
> On 31 Mar 97 at 13:23, Gregory M Zimmerman wrote:
>
> > I just blew up my 350 trying to see how fast my car would go.  I got
> > to 128 and the rev limiter (5000 rpm MSD chip) didn't hit yet, then
> > next thing I knew I was laying a smoke cloud James bond would have
> > been proud of.  I slowed down and heard the oh-so-bad rod knock.
>
> Ouch!
>
> > I want in put in Chevy's new 502ci/502HP crate engine- the spec
>
> > Anyone put a Chevy big block into a cutlass?
>
> Oh no!  That's sure to spark a great number of glowing responses....
>
> Mike
> '91 W-40 Quad442  - OLDS Powered!
> '93 W-41 SCX   - OLDS Powered!
>
>
Hey, I'm partial to Olds engines too, but I'd rather have a brand new 4
bolt main, forged crank, aluminum heads, more power and a stronger engine
(You have to admit, the Chevy is a better engine, hurts to admit though.)
For a cheaper price.  It probably won't blow a rod and rings at 4900 rpms
when help there for 30 seconds.

Olds ARE better cars though!  I'd never trade my Cutlass for a Chevy
(just the motor).
- -greg

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From: "blaines" <blaines@strata3d.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:30:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Still laughing... (Was Re: Oil Weight - The FACTS!!!)

Huh.  I'm still laughing, because CyberSitter has blocked me from viewing
this site.  Ahh hah hah hah!

> >http://www.paranoia.com/~filipg/HTML/AUTO/Fils_Auto.html
>

- -Blaine
'72 Cutlass Supreme  <--  Does that meet the Olds Content requirements? ;)
Oh.  Sorry.

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From: Rod Rickenbach <rod@hopi.dtcc.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:31:12 -0400
Subject: Re: [Fwd: 4-sale 65 442 conv.]

On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Robert Barry wrote:

> At 11:01 PM 3/30/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >65 442 CONV 4-SALE.  POWER EVERYTYHING(SEATS, WINDOWS, ANTENNA), AIR,
>
> Power windows on a '65? That's not stock, right? Weren't they only offered
> after 1968?

Not stock?  Power windows were around long before '65...

- -Rod
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    Rod Rickenbach                                       Delaware Tech
     rod@dtcc.edu                                 Computer Services Department
http://www.dtcc.edu/~rod                            Stanton/Wilmington Campus

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:32:43 -0400
Subject: RE: Rare Cars?

A snip or two to here:

>> 3. After some period of time all cars become collectible.  Don't you think
>> you are confusing collectible with desirable?
>
>I would call this a semantic point.  If a car is collectible, doesn't that
>indicate a level of desireability?
>

Actually no it doesn't.  Ask any stamp collector what is a collectible
stamp, and he will tell you that any stamp that is not damaged is
collectible; even the ones printed in the billions and used on ordinary
mail.  They are collectible, but not valuable.  Which I think is the point
after all.  When I started this thread it was my desire to show that
rarity/desirability/value were not really related in the way that one might
ordinarily think.  I started with a senario where every car was unique, but
then attempted to show that being unique was not what made some of the
desirable, valuable and sought after.

What made some of them desirable/vaulable/sought were the ones that had
performance additives, and certain apparance additives as well.

>
>Tim (I Wonder If Any of Those 'Heaven's Gate' Folks Have Olds We Could
>     Pick Up Cheap At Auction?) Churchill
>-------------
>'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
>'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
>'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'
>
>
>

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:36:53 -0400
Subject: Re: Oil Weight

At 10:22 AM 3/31/97 -0400, you wrote:
>It is worth noting in the oils discussion that the Mfr's recommendation is at
>least partly effected by federal fuel economy regs.  Believe it or not, the
>use of 5W-30
>vs other options can make a crucial .1 mpg or so difference in the Federal
> (US)
>fuel economy and with the cost of missing the federal mandates reaching
>millions
>of dollars per year, every trick in the book is fair.  This is at least some
>of the rationale for the 5W-30 recommendation, along with the others
>mentioned such as
>improvements in oils, additives, etc.
>
>

This is an interesting sidelight to this thread.  And one I never gave any
consideration about.  I would be though, that if someone found a perfect
engine lubricant, one where friction was banished forever, ie, where you
could spin the engine by hand (not against compression of course) and it
would condtinue to spin indefinitely.  With no friction it would not stop
spinning, right.

How many mpg would that add.  I believe that the lubricants are already so
good today, and it would be well under 1mpg, but then even that 0.1 is still
a lot of fuel savings on 100,000,000 cars.

The Wiz

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From: GARY RUBRICH <RUBRICH@bwaafs.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:47:01 -0400
Subject: Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass -Reply

Mike,
  Sounds like a good idea. While your at it why not switch to a
chevelle (I so hate cross breeding). Everyone knows chevy's are
infallible, regardless of the engine builder or driver. Buy the way
if you and your chevelle are ever in Michigan, stop by New Baltimore,
I've got a 350 OLDS powered 72 442 who would like to show it's tail
lights!
                                                  Gary
                                                  72 442(350)
>>> "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>  3/31/97, 08:06am >>>
On 31 Mar 97 at 13:23, Gregory M Zimmerman wrote:

> I just blew up my 350 trying to see how fast my car would go.  I
got
> to 128 and the rev limiter (5000 rpm MSD chip) didn't hit yet, then
> next thing I knew I was laying a smoke cloud James bond would have
> been proud of.  I slowed down and heard the oh-so-bad rod knock.

Ouch!

> I want in put in Chevy's new 502ci/502HP crate engine- the spec

> Anyone put a Chevy big block into a cutlass?

Oh no!  That's sure to spark a great number of glowing responses....

Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442  - OLDS Powered!
'93 W-41 SCX   - OLDS Powered!

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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:44:49 -0400
Subject: Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass

On 31 Mar 97 at 14:26, Gregory M Zimmerman wrote:

> Hey, I'm partial to Olds engines too, but I'd rather have a brand
> new 4 bolt main, forged crank, aluminum heads, more power and a
> stronger engine (You have to admit, the Chevy is a better engine,
> hurts to admit though.) For a cheaper price.  It probably won't blow
> a rod and rings at 4900 rpms when help there for 30 seconds.

Greg,

How about building up a 455, with a Toro pan for extra oil?  With the
machine work and Olds parts premiums,  you may be getting in easier,
and not changing a lot of other parts /customizing....

Of course, my experiences are mostly on the Quad4 (although I did
change a few things on the family '77 Vista's engine to _really_ surprise
the guys in their Z28's when I started playing with them :-)

Anyone on the list put a DRCE Olds engine in their street car?  Just
curious....

> Olds ARE better cars though!  I'd never trade my Cutlass for a Chevy
> (just the motor). -greg

Well, once you change the heart, what's left?

Mike
'91 W-40 Quad442
'93 W-41 SCX

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:45:32 -0400
Subject: Re: Misc comments and feedback

At 11:00 AM 3/31/97 -0400, you wrote:
>BTW, this weeks mail has been particulalarly cool, so I'd like to say/ask
>a few things:
>
>As per electric cars, don't trains use a diesel over electric system to
>power them (heard that, no idea if true, don't laugh if I'm wrong!)
>

American locomotives are indeed diesel electrics.  The prime mover spins a
generator, which powers a traction motor, that has a pinon that runs against
a gear on the wheel set.  Would you like to know why they go to all of this
trouble?

It allows the diesel engine to spin up to 100% output, before it is engaged
to move the train.  Therefore if you have a 6000 hp locomotive, you can have
all 6000 horses available when you try to move the train.

I understand that the Europeans make some diesels that are direct drive, but
this is out of context here.

>Also, with all this talk of engines running at peak effiency, etc., whatever
>happened to
>that CVT someone tried in a car (resembled ski-doo clutch, but in a car)
>
>50W oil -> You do have bussiness using this oil in older, worn out motors
>you can't afford to fix (Or in bikes, though the gears in a bike
>transmission can really 'chop-up' the multiweights, requiring 800KM oil
>changes)

If you read my comments carefully about 50w oil, I said that it had no
business in engines in good conditions that were run in normal climes, and
normal to me is the weather in Normal, Illinois; not Fairbanks, Alaska; or
Panama City, Panama.
>
>Weight of gas -> someone guessed that 2 gallons of gas might weigh 8
>pounds, while water is approx 10 pounds/gallon (I think) and gas weighs
>less, I doubt it's 4lbs/gallon, does anyone know the actual number?

Gasoline weighs about 6.5 ª/gal.  Water is about 8.

>Olds content -> I'm not a huge performance freak, but when I get my '75
>455 (stock) into my '75 cutlass, I'm sure I'll want to test it out, can
>anyone tell me what I might do against a early '80's 5 leeter m***ang
>(I'm not concerned overly either way, but enquiring minds DO want to know).
>
>Just my 5 cents on the thoughts of the day (Join the revolution to
>eliminate the penny, I mean a nickel's not even worth that much, let
>alone a penny.)

Save the penny, I do; I have thousands upon thousands of them.
>
>EA~
>
>(thanx also to everyone who makes this list so interesting, gotta say it
>at least once)
>
>

Added to my the Wiz

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From: "John M. Barnes" <CHMPFISH@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:40:49 -0400
Subject: Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass

Gregory M Zimmerman wrote:
>
> I just blew up my 350 trying to see how fast my car would go.  I got to
> 128 and the rev limiter (5000 rpm MSD chip) didn't hit yet, then next
> thing I knew I was laying a smoke cloud James bond would have been proud
> of.  I slowed down and heard the oh-so-bad rod knock.
>
> I only had 36,000 on the rebuild with APR rod bolts, forged pistons, SS
> valves, roller rockers, high volume oil pump, etc.  Anyway, I guess the
> oil pan got sucked dry :(
>
> I want in put in Chevy's new 502ci/502HP crate engine- the spec sheet
> says to put the motor into a Chevelle, the oil pan and pickup needs to be
> modified.  Does that mean with a sledge hammer or what?
>
> Anyone put a Chevy big block into a cutlass?
>
> -greg
> gzimmerm@runet.edu
>
> Any help on the swap would be appreciated.



Take the money you would have spent on the 502 and spend it on a 455. Find one
you can bore .125 That 482 will run as fast as you would ever want to go. And
you don't have to commit the biggest of all sins in putting a non-olds engine
in the car. If you insist on using a crate motor, buy a Chevelle.

John

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:50:56 -0400
Subject: Re: [Fwd: 4-sale 65 442 conv.]

At 01:31 PM 3/31/97 -0500, you wrote:
>On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Robert Barry wrote:
>
>> At 11:01 PM 3/30/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> >65 442 CONV 4-SALE.  POWER EVERYTYHING(SEATS, WINDOWS, ANTENNA), AIR,
>>
>> Power windows on a '65? That's not stock, right? Weren't they only offered
>> after 1968?
>
>Not stock?  Power windows were around long before '65...

Yes, so were air suspensions and heated seats. I just didn't think they were
OFFERED as option on the 442 up until 1968. That's what I gathered from some
posts on converting to power windows here a bit back.
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:51:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Misc comments and feedback

At 01:25 PM 3/31/97 -0400, you wrote:
>In a message dated 97-03-31 10:28:15 EST, you write:
>
><< BTW, this weeks mail has been particulalarly cool, so I'd like to say/ask
> a few things:
>
> As per electric cars, don't trains use a diesel over electric system to
> power them (heard that, no idea if true, don't laugh if I'm wrong!)
>  >>
>
>Trains are not driven by the diesel motors.  The primary mover is electric,
>the power for which comes from the running of the diesel motors, to generate
>the electricity.
>
>Chris Ruper
>

Actually the prime mover is the diesel, (prime = first) and the electric
motor moves the train.  And I must take partial exception, as trains are
driven by engineers; not diesel or electric power.  Ha Ha, and in England I
think they are called 'engine drivers.'

The Wiz

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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:04:32 -0400
Subject: Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass -Reply

Gary,

Sorry!  It was not me who wanted to change to a Ch*vy engine in my
car.  My Olds have OLDS engines, will always have OLDS engines
(except that Ciera I _used_ to have), and will NOT have Ch*vy engines
- - even if I want to save a nickel!

Mike (wondering how a 502 would even begin to get in the engine
compartment of either of my cars!)
The "Pocket Rockets" -->
'91 W-40 Quad442
'93 W-41 SCX


On 31 Mar 97 at 14:47, GARY RUBRICH wrote:

> Mike,
>   Sounds like a good idea. While your at it why not switch to a
> chevelle (I so hate cross breeding). Everyone knows chevy's are
> infallible, regardless of the engine builder or driver. Buy the way
> if you and your chevelle are ever in Michigan, stop by New
> Baltimore, I've got a 350 OLDS powered 72 442 who would like to show
> it's tail lights!
>                                                   Gary
>                                                   72 442(350)

------------------------------

From: Dustin E Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:11:46 -0400
Subject: Re:

On Sat, 29 Mar 1997, John Oder wrote:

>
> Did you happen to notice any ralley pack dash's in any of them, I have a
> friend with a 70 W31 who is looking for one.  I'm looking for a ram air
> hood setup for my 70 SX.  I have a sister who lives about 10 miles NW of
> Bigfork, MT  been up there a couple of times really pretty country.
>
>
> John Oder
> 70 Cutlass SX W-32

Anything that looked like it should have a tach mysteriously had a hole in
the dash     there are a few clocks (no tic toc) and several speedos

Sorry

Dustin Cross
'68 olds wagon
'89 cutlass supreme

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From: Rod Rickenbach <rod@hopi.dtcc.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:15:14 -0400
Subject: Re: [Fwd: 4-sale 65 442 conv.]

On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Robert Barry wrote:

> At 01:31 PM 3/31/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Robert Barry wrote:
> >
> >> At 11:01 PM 3/30/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >65 442 CONV 4-SALE.  POWER EVERYTYHING(SEATS, WINDOWS, ANTENNA), AIR,
> >>
> >> Power windows on a '65? That's not stock, right? Weren't they only
offered > >> after 1968? > > > >Not stock?  Power windows were around long
before '65... > > Yes, so were air suspensions and heated seats. I just
didn't think they were > OFFERED as option on the 442 up until 1968. That's
what I gathered from some > posts on converting to power windows here a bit
back.

I don't see why they wouldn't have been offered.  In fact, the Olds TV
commercial featuring a red '65 442 conv. driving around on a beach has
power windows.  (You have to look quickly).  This ad is in the set of
commercial tapes sold by the Olds Museum...

- -Rod
-
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
    Rod Rickenbach                                       Delaware Tech
     rod@dtcc.edu                                 Computer Services Department
http://www.dtcc.edu/~rod                            Stanton/Wilmington Campus

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From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:10:31 -0400
Subject: 1975 455 Cutlass speculations (was Re: Misc comments and feedback)

At 01:45 PM 3/31/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>Olds content -> I'm not a huge performance freak, but when I get my '75
>>455 (stock) into my '75 cutlass, I'm sure I'll want to test it out, can
>>anyone tell me what I might do against a early '80's 5 leeter m***ang
>>(I'm not concerned overly either way, but enquiring minds DO want to know).

Hmmm, stock you say? The 190hp, J-head, smog-equipped 455's? Well, in purely
stock form, in a '75 Cutlass, you might keep up with the 2-bbl 1982 GT's,
but the others would likely walk away from you. The FI 302's would make you
look like you're standing still.

Of course, if you put a decent camshaft in that engine, a little-looser
converter, some 3.08+ gears and had a decent exhaust on your car, then you
might present some trouble to the unmodified FI cars. Then again, once you
got a taste of what your engine might be capable of doing, then you'll want
more power, and then, you'll be hopeless just like the rest of us...
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: "Easton,Jeffrey" <Jeffrey.Easton@add.ssw.abbott.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:29:04 -0400
Subject: Chicagoland BOP Swap Meet Get Together This Sunday

Who was it that was organizing a meeting of local Olds
mailing list people at the IVOC sponsered BOP swap meet
this Sunday?  Is anyone one still going?

FYI for those new to this, the Illinois Valley Olds Club (IVOC)
is hosting this years Buick Olds Pontiac (BOP) swap meet at
the DuPage County Fairgrounds this Sunday, April 6th.

- -Jeff
jeffrey.easton@add.ssw.abbott.com

1970  442  4-Speed
see the archives at http://www.calcon.net/~easton

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From: GARY RUBRICH <RUBRICH@bwaafs.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:31:18 -0400
Subject: Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass -Reply -Reply


Sorry Mike,
 These comments were meant for Greg, he had me so riled I lost
my head!

>>> "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>  3/31/97, 09:04am >>>
Gary,

Sorry!  It was not me who wanted to change to a Ch*vy engine in my
car.  My Olds have OLDS engines, will always have OLDS engines
(except that Ciera I _used_ to have), and will NOT have Ch*vy engines

- - even if I want to save a nickel!

Mike (wondering how a 502 would even begin to get in the engine
compartment of either of my cars!)
The "Pocket Rockets" -->
'91 W-40 Quad442
'93 W-41 SCX


On 31 Mar 97 at 14:47, GARY RUBRICH wrote:

> Mike,
>   Sounds like a good idea. While your at it why not switch to a
> chevelle (I so hate cross breeding). Everyone knows chevy's are
> infallible, regardless of the engine builder or driver. Buy the way
> if you and your chevelle are ever in Michigan, stop by New
> Baltimore, I've got a 350 OLDS powered 72 442 who would like to
show
> it's tail lights!
>                                                   Gary
>                                                   72 442(350)

------------------------------

From: JPADA@Orbital.COM
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:40:21 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: [Fwd: 4-sale 65 442 conv.]

> >> Power windows on a '65? That's not stock, right? Weren't they only
offered > >> after 1968?

          My 1966 442 convert has factory power windows, power seat,
          and tilt wheel.

          Joe Padavano
          jpada@hqgate.orbital.com

          66 442
          68 W-30
          69 H/O
          70 W-30


------------------------------

From: FBS3@oas.psu.edu (SZYMKOWSKI.FRANK)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 14:22:00 -0400
Subject: Re: yoys

Speaking of Olds models-- Has anyone seen the Johnny Lightning pace car/
Indy car sets? The one for 1977 (I believe) was the Indy car that won the Indy
500 anf the pace car, a Delta 88. I could be wrong about the year but it *is*
an Olds<grin>





=============================================================================
FRank.. 90 Cutlass Ciera XC Special Edition..one of 955.. White/red sedan..
        K&N, Walker Dynomax exhaust....(driver)
        65 El Camino..327/300, black/red..frame off resto..(cruiser, show car)
        95 Plymouth Neon sedan..K&N, dohc exhaust..(wifes car)
        95 Dodge Ram 2500hd 4x4..v-10..(company truck)
=============================================================================

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From: Dustin E Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:56:27 -0400
Subject: .02 vs .05

>
> Just my 5 cents on the thoughts of the day (Join the revolution to
> eliminate the penny, I mean a nickel's not even worth that much, let
> alone a penny.)
>
> EA~
>

while even a nickel is not worth much today it is still better to only
contribute 2 cents vs 5 cents this leave us an additional 3 cents per
contribution to spend on our cars!


sorry I tend to be cheap except for cars  :)

------------------------------

From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:15:06 -0400
Subject: Re: .02 vs .05

To add to the confusion, in the 1860's and before, the united States had 2
cent coins, and three cent coins as well.  Of course, there was no nickel
either, it was known as a "half-dime".  There's been plenty of pocket
change already eliminated, I'd say that the penny is here to stay!

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling (olds content),
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Dustin E Cross wrote:

> >
> > Just my 5 cents on the thoughts of the day (Join the revolution to
> > eliminate the penny, I mean a nickel's not even worth that much, let
> > alone a penny.)
> >
> > EA~
> >
>
> while even a nickel is not worth much today it is still better to only
> contribute 2 cents vs 5 cents this leave us an additional 3 cents per
> contribution to spend on our cars!
>
>
> sorry I tend to be cheap except for cars  :)
>
>
>

------------------------------

From: Dustin E Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:24:54 -0400
Subject: Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass

On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Gregory M Zimmerman wrote:

> >
> > On 31 Mar 97 at 13:23, Gregory M Zimmerman wrote:
> >
> > > I just blew up my 350 trying to see how fast my car would go.  I got
> > > to 128 and the rev limiter (5000 rpm MSD chip) didn't hit yet, then
> > > next thing I knew I was laying a smoke cloud James bond would have
> > > been proud of.  I slowed down and heard the oh-so-bad rod knock.
> >
> > Ouch!
> >
> > > I want in put in Chevy's new 502ci/502HP crate engine- the spec
> >
> > > Anyone put a Chevy big block into a cutlass?
> >
> > Oh no!  That's sure to spark a great number of glowing responses....
> >
> > Mike
> > '91 W-40 Quad442  - OLDS Powered!
> > '93 W-41 SCX   - OLDS Powered!
> >
> >
> Hey, I'm partial to Olds engines too, but I'd rather have a brand new 4
> bolt main, forged crank, aluminum heads, more power and a stronger engine
> (You have to admit, the Chevy is a better engine, hurts to admit though.)
> For a cheaper price.  It probably won't blow a rod and rings at 4900 rpms
> when help there for 30 seconds.
>
> Olds ARE better cars though!  I'd never trade my Cutlass for a Chevy
> (just the motor).
> -greg
>
I will not go along with the better engine part

I do agree with the cheaper price as I personally have gone through
several ch*v engines  (mostly 350s)

------------------------------

From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:42:00 -0400
Subject: Hook It

     Has anyone tried the new BF Goodrich Drag radials ?? Do they require
innertubes ? How about screws in the sides of the rim ? How well do the
tires stick?????

*************************************************************
John Pajak     "DR. OLDS"
Lexington Park, MD
Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL

65 Delta 88
66 Toronado
69 Cutlass S
70 Cutlass S W31
70 442 W30 convert
72 442 W30 convert
72 Delta 88 convert
+ others

------------------------------

From: Robert Barry <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:54:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Fwd: 4-sale 65 442 conv.]

At 02:40 PM 3/31/97 -0500, you wrote:
>> >> Power windows on a '65? That's not stock, right? Weren't they only
offered
>> >> after 1968?
>
>          My 1966 442 convert has factory power windows, power seat,
>          and tilt wheel.

Aside from being wrong about the power windows, I'm also jealous about the
equipment on that '66! Were power windows always offered on the 442 line,
going back to '64? What were they *not* available on?
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Terrill Yuhas <tyuhas@mail.arl.arizona.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:52:34 -0400
Subject: Re: F-body knuckle swap into A-body; handling improvements

On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Doug Ahern wrote:

> Swaping 70-79 F-body steering knuckles into 64-72 A-body for
> handling improvements.
>
> After seeing posts referring to this handling improvment, I did
> some research to see what I could find out about it.  HO Racing
> originaly did the swap, but they don't appear to be in business
> anymore, can anyone verify this?  also,  if you've don't the
> swap, let me know if what I have here jives with what you know.

Yes, HO Racing is no longer in parts-selling business but he now has
set up a tech-advice-only service (called something along the lines of
HO Enterprises).  I can dig up the phone number if anyone is
interested.  The parts he used to sell are now being distributed by
another company if anyone is interested in that too.

Terrill

------------------------------

From: Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 16:05:00 -0400
Subject: Re: RIMS/TIRES

You Wrote:
             "Hello.  My name is Enio, I'm new to this group.  I have a 1987
 Olds. Cutlass Sup. V-8,  307ci.  Can anyone tell me how big I can go on Rim
& Tire size without rubbing.
 Please E-mail me at NjOlds@aol.com.
The factory option was the 15 x 7 215 65 R15. I had the American
Racing Outlaw II on the Cutlass and it would rub the upper fender
on the outside, I think that the offset was wrong for that rim, but
the factory Ralley wheels won't rub because they have the right
offset."
********************************
>>Also remember that a P 235 60 R15 is a direct replacement for the 215 65s.
I'm going to put 235 60 R15s on 15 x 7 Superstocks on my 86 Cutlass at tire
change time VS P 215 70 R14s on the 14 x 6 Superstocks. The bigger tires are
only about $10 more each !!!!

John Pajak    Dr Olds
********************************

------------------------------

From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:42:01 -0400
Subject: Re: F-body knuckle swap into A-body; handling improvements

>
>Yes, HO Racing is no longer in parts-selling business but he now has
>set up a tech-advice-only service (called something along the lines of
>HO Enterprises).  I can dig up the phone number if anyone is
>interested.  The parts he used to sell are now being distributed by
>another company if anyone is interested in that too.
>
>Terrill

Interested!!!


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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 17:51:00 -0400
Subject: More on the Knuckle Sandwich

Doug Ahern did a nice job on describing the knuckle sandwich conversion.
 Having read both of his sources, I endorse his statements.  Doug asked
for input from a person who did this conversion, so here is my $0.02.

As an alternative to using the F-body knuckle, consider using the
knuckle from a GM full-size wagon w/ 12 in. rotors.  The increased
knuckle height is the same, and so is the ball joint/ tie rod end info,
but by using the station wagon knuckles, you can use the early-90's 1LE
Camaro 12" super beefy rotors (which have a 5x4.75 bolt pattern).  The
caliper/pad is the same as the standard A-body disc caliper, and you
have 12" front disc brakes.  I did this conversion in '91, and it gives
outstanding results.  I also put in all urethane bushings, TRW  70 442
w/o  AC coils (500+ lb rate) and switched to 245/60 VR15 Eagle
Gatorbacks on 15x8 wheels (minimum of 15" wheels are needed for the 12"
brakes).  Handling is top notch.

One thing Doug did not mention in his excellent post was the use of
offset upper control arm shafts.  Originally designed to cure frame sag
in old A-bodies whose caster could not be set even if all shims were
removed, you use these shafts but install them with the offset facing
the frame (backwards).  With this set-up, you can dial in some serious
caster (and high-speed stability) without having a huge stack of shims
installed.  Using the standard control arm shafts means lots of shims if
you do the knuckle conversion.  I will have to do some detective work to
find out the TRW parts used for the conversion, since H/O would not tell
me the parts source they used, even though I did buy the kit from them.
I believe H/O is named after Hern and Osterstock, the two gentlemen who
are/were its owners.  Now that it is defunct, maybe they will share the
info.  I have a friend who is a serious Pontiac man (and also did this
conversion).  I'm sure he can get the info.  FWIW, using a Vericom
accelerometer mounted in the side window (for skidpad measurement), his
'70 GTO did in the low .9G range as well, with stock sway bars and
255/60 VR 60 Eagle Gatorbacks.  A-bodies handle!

Scott Mullen
'70 442

------------------------------

From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@quix.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:25:58 -0400
Subject: 1962 Starfire cvt. rear speaker grill

>Found this item today in my attic. This should fit 1961 also. Some light
pitting,small area towards bottom side. Has emblem, and backing. No
speaker, otherwise all there.
$75.00 OBO takes it. Will have to be plated, and detailed to make it show.
Clean and paint, useable as is.      mike      maldana@quix.net

------------------------------

From: "Mike Aldana" <maldana@quix.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:24:02 -0400
Subject: 1967 cutass 4-4-2 parts FS

> Just ran across some parts in my attic.
1---RH door lower stainless moulding. Two small 1/4 inch size dings on the
face. Otherwise, no damage. Easily repaired. $55.00 as is    $75.00 dings
worked on, show polished, ready to put on car.

2-- I believe this is a hood moulding partª393725.  Nice chrome no dents. I
need some info on this one. Does anybody make this piece yet? I am
wondering,because this could be a real nice pattern to reproduce from. I
don't know the demand for this item. Can anybody help me? If there is a
demand, i would consider tooling up for reproducing this moulding. Exact
lookalike, in the price range of  $119.00-$139.00 ea. I would like some
feedback on this one from everybody interested.  Thank you in advance
sincerely   Mike Aldana            maldana@quix.net

------------------------------

From: Paul Brillhart <u17058@uicvm.uic.edu>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:36:49 -0400
Subject: Re: 455 Questions

  Matt,

  I got the manifold today.  Thanks.  I'll be swapping cams in a month and
will clean it up and put it on then.  UPS was a bitch to deal with.
Tracking people didn't know which end was up. Suggestion:  I've been getting
rid of my old Mustang MACH 1 parts through Hemmings by having people send me
a check, waiting for it to clear, and then sending the parts.  That way I'm
not at the mercy of the person at the other end.  Good luck with the Offy
setup, high rise quads sound great.  If you get a chance, let me know what
cam you picked and how it runs.  Later.




  Paul Brillhart

------------------------------

From: "Drew K. Bengert" <dk.bengert@sympatico.ca>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:12:48 -0400
Subject: 1973 442 Cutlass

I wonder if you can help me.

I am considering buying a 1973 442 Cutlass but before I do, I want to be
able to confirm that this is an original 442 car.

Is there anyway of identifying the car using the V.I.N.   If so, what
digit indicates that it is a true 442.  Others have told me that the 442
was an option on the car but may not be identified on the V.I.N. Is this
true??

I would really appreciate your comments.

Thank you,

Drew

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 19:28:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Looking for parts

At 12:06 PM 3/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm looking for the following parts:
>
>* 1 early style SSI (14x6 - no trim ring)
>* 1968 Passenger side seat belt (deluxe).  Prefer blue
>* 1968 'X' 442 Exhaust manafold
>
>-Dan
>

Dan

         I have the SSI wheel, and maybe a X manifold.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SXW-32
72 442

------------------------------

From: Dan Lacey <lacey@dsea.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 21:15:47 -0400
Subject: Re: More on the Knuckle Sandwich

>Doug Ahern did a nice job on describing the knuckle sandwich conversion.
> Having read both of his sources, I endorse his statements.  Doug asked
>for input from a person who did this conversion, so here is my $0.02.
>
>As an alternative to using the F-body knuckle, consider using the
>knuckle from a GM full-size wagon w/ 12 in. rotors.  The increased
>knuckle height is the same, and so is the ball joint/ tie rod end info,


I am interested in how much of this will pertain to my '65 Olds 98...

I am looking to rebuild the front suspension. Most people talk about 442,
Cutlass, etc. but no one knows much about the 98's.

I tried to find out if Energy Suspensions would have the bushings, but I
kinda got a run-around. First I find the parts for the upper and lower
control arm bushings from TRW. Front uppers are the same part ª as 1973 442
uppers and 1974 - 1977 rear bushings. Front lowers are the same part ª as
1964 - 1965 442 and Cutlass.

Armed with this info. I call Energy Sus. and they tell me, well they might
fit, but he can't say if the bushing preload will be correct. The bushings
are sold as sets (upper and lower) and to break up a set, or to use them as
I want, would be a liability concern... BUMMER!!!

Any other ideas???

Negative camber control arms would be a bonus!!!

I would also like to go to disc brakes, but I am having a heck of a time
finding a donor car for the spindles. I can buy everything else new
(rotors, calipers, etc.).

I still don't get the center of roll explaination... I would ASSUME that if
the roll center was below the car, it would tend to keep the weight
distribution more even from side to side. Guess not!...


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From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:07:43 -0400
Subject: Re: Re[2]: [Fwd: 4-sale 65 442 conv.]

Robert Barry wrote:
>
> At 02:40 PM 3/31/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >> >> Power windows on a '65? That's not stock, right? Weren't they only
> offered
> >> >> after 1968?
> >
> >          My 1966 442 convert has factory power windows, power seat,
> >          and tilt wheel.
>
> Aside from being wrong about the power windows, I'm also jealous about the
> equipment on that '66! Were power windows always offered on the 442 line,
> going back to '64? What were they *not* available on?
> _______________________________________________________
> Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
> Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918Dosen't anybody want
to buy this car?

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:15:10 -0400
Subject: Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass

At 09:44 AM 3/31/97 -0400, Mike Coccagna wrote:

>How about building up a 455, with a Toro pan for extra oil?  With the
>machine work and Olds parts premiums,  you may be getting in easier,
>and not changing a lot of other parts /customizing....

With the 502 you get all brand new parts with some of the 90's technology
built into the engine. I know if it was me I would feel better dropping
money on a 502 with a 3yr/36,000 mile warranty from GM......
>
>Of course, my experiences are mostly on the Quad4 (although I did
>change a few things on the family '77 Vista's engine to _really_ surprise
>the guys in their Z28's when I started playing with them :-)

Just had to get that Z28 punchline in did ya ;-)

>
>Anyone on the list put a DRCE Olds engine in their street car?  Just
>curious....

I could be wrong (happened once before when I was 5) but isn't the DRCE Olds
based in part on the Big Block Chevy? Doesn't it take Chevy heads?
Wondering??????
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Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:15:04 -0400
Subject: Re: Misc comments and feedback

At 11:00 AM 3/31/97 -0400, Eric Aksomitis wrote:

>Olds content -> I'm not a huge performance freak, but when I get my '75
>455 (stock) into my '75 cutlass, I'm sure I'll want to test it out, can
>anyone tell me what I might do against a early '80's 5 leeter m***ang
>(I'm not concerned overly either way, but enquiring minds DO want to know).

An early 80's Mustang should have only ~140-160 hp tops. Easy kill. The late
80's/early 90's 5.0's are a different question, those would be hard to beat,
even a 2.73 A4 GT. These opinions are going by the premise that the 455 is a
stock 75 smogger with ~190 hp
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Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:15:07 -0400
Subject: Re: 502 swap into '71 cutlass

At 01:23 PM 3/31/97 -0400, Gregory M Zimmerman wrote:

>I want in put in Chevy's new 502ci/502HP crate engine- the spec sheet
>says to put the motor into a Chevelle, the oil pan and pickup needs to be
>modified.  Does that mean with a sledge hammer or what?
>
>Anyone put a Chevy big block into a cutlass?

Oh yeah, the big bad big block Chevy:) That is one great engine. Wish I
could help, but  I am sure Charley Buehner has alot of experience in this.
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Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

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From: SRB442@aol.com
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:21:47 -0400
Subject: Re: 1973 442 Cutlass

Drew,
        For 73 the 442 option was just the hood,sway bars and stripe package.
They were all based on the "S" body style. You could have bucket or bench
seats 350 or 455 engine. There is no special I.D. numbers.           Steve
1967 442
1970 442
1973 442
1985 Delta 88 Royale Brougham


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From: JFOWLER@capecod.net
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:17:15 -0400
Subject: 68 W-30 AIR CLEANER WANTED

68 W-30 AIR CLEANER WANTED.  ALSO, WANTED, A TICK TOC TACH FOR A 69 442.
HAS ANYBODY HEARD OF MAKING A W-30 AIR CLEANER BY CUTTING A HOLE AND
ADDING AN EXTRA SNORKEL TO IT?

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From: Chris Fair <ChrisFair@fairisaac.com>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 20:30:37 -0400
Subject: Re: More on the Knuckle Sandwich

Dan,
I did the swap to discs on my 98 about three or four years ago. I'm not
hip to negative camber or any of that, but the swap is a very good one.

The major problem is that good rotors are hard to find. The disc brake
spindles are a bolt in to your existing (or better yet, new) ball joints.
Anything up to 1970 will work from either an 88 or 98, as you might
have guessed.

Would one way to figure out about the bushings be to take one from a
junkyard 88 or 98 and compare physical size? My guess is if the physical
size matches, it would work fine, unless the weight differential from
the big cars the A bodies is too much. I mean, I can't imagine it being
cost efficient for bushing mfrs. to make the same size bushings from
two materials -- one for heavy and one for light weight cars.

Don't know if this helps. It's interesting that you're doing many of
the same engineering mods to your 98 as I've done to mine.

As my sister would say, "Great minds think alike"  :)
cf

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From: Steve <steveb@thecia.net>
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:44:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Hook It

Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil wrote:
>
>      Has anyone tried the new BF Goodrich Drag radials ?? Do they require
> innertubes ? How about screws in the sides of the rim ? How well do the
> tires stick?????
>
> *************************************************************
> John Pajak     "DR. OLDS"
> Lexington Park, MD
> Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL
>
> 65 Delta 88
> 66 Toronado
> 69 Cutlass S
> 70 Cutlass S W31
> 70 442 W30 convert
> 72 442 W30 convert
> 72 Delta 88 convert
> + others

Actually I have not tried them yet but I am planning on trying them this
summer. I have an article from
"Muscle Mustangs & Fast Ford's" which tested them in January. The test
car was a modified 5.0 LX coupe, with 26x10 slicks the car had a best
60ft time of 1.634 and ran a 12.124 @ 111.06 mph. With the Drag radials
it ran
a 1.940 60ft and a 1/4 of 12.357@112.66 mph!!! Thats pretty good
considering the Drag radial that was tested
was only a 235 60 15!! The article also states that this is a tubless
tire, no mention of the wheel screws but it doesn't look like they used
them in the pictures...

Anybody run these on an Olds yet (or any other 68-72 GM A-body) ???????

Thanks!!

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0

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From: steveb@thecia.net
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 23:44:31 -0400
Subject: Re: Hook It

Pajak_John%PAX1@mr.nawcad.navy.mil wrote:
>
>      Has anyone tried the new BF Goodrich Drag radials ?? Do they require
> innertubes ? How about screws in the sides of the rim ? How well do the
> tires stick?????
>
> *************************************************************
> John Pajak     "DR. OLDS"
> Lexington Park, MD
> Pajak_John%PAX1@MR.NAWCAD.NAVY.MIL
>
> 65 Delta 88
> 66 Toronado
> 69 Cutlass S
> 70 Cutlass S W31
> 70 442 W30 convert
> 72 442 W30 convert
> 72 Delta 88 convert
> + others

Actually I have not tried them yet but I am planning on trying them this
summer. I have an article from
"Muscle Mustangs & Fast Ford's" which tested them in January. The test
car was a modified 5.0 LX coupe, with 26x10 slicks the car had a best
60ft time of 1.634 and ran a 12.124 @ 111.06 mph. With the Drag radials
it ran
a 1.940 60ft and a 1/4 of 12.357@112.66 mph!!! Thats pretty good
considering the Drag radial that was tested
was only a 235 60 15!! The article also states that this is a tubless
tire, no mention of the wheel screws but it doesn't look like they used
them in the pictures...

Anybody run these on an Olds yet (or any other 68-72 GM A-body) ???????

Thanks!!

Steve
71 Cutlass S 455
93 Mustang LX 5.0

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