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oldsmobile-digest       Wednesday, 12 February 1997    Volume 01 : Number 513

Re: Top installation (WAS Re: A Few Q's)
Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?
Re: wheels
The dreaded parts list
Re: SUPERCHARGED OLDS!!!
Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?
Re: wheels
RE: The dreaded parts list
Re: 68 Sport Steering Wheel
Re: Headers, just say no!
Re: Headers, just say yes!
Re: Power chips and Stats
Re: Headers, just say yes!
Re: Olds IRC
Olds in latest Car Craft
Re: Ouch goes the Rockit  :(
Re: old headlights
Re: old headlights
Re: weird advice
Re: 68 Sport Steering Wheel
Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?
Re: Leaking Lena
88 Toronado
Re: Olds IRC
Re: old headlights
Re: 88 Toronado
Patch Panels
Re: Leaking Lena
Re: Olds IRC
Re: Olds IRC
New Address...
Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)
Re: A Few Q's
Re: 1968 442 / GM A body, spares & misc parts
Re: 1984 Hurst/Olds repair Suggestions
70-72 Big Block Frame Mounts
Re: Olds in latest Car Craft
Re: 88 Toronado
Re: Olds IRC
need parts 70 98 LS
Re: My Classic Car
Re: B-Post molding
hope the Olds list can help
Trofeo
Re: need parts 70 98 LS
67 Delta rear quarter needed..
Re: hope the Olds list can help
Re: Quadrajet II : addle info
Headers, the saga continues.
Re:Subject: Highway RPM
Re: Headers, the saga continues.
Header Woes
Re: 88 Toronado
Re: Headers, the saga continues.
Re: SUPERCHARGED OLDS!!! -Reply

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:44:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Top installation (WAS Re: A Few Q's)

jones wrote:
>
>
> >
> >I do upholstery work from my home. I have had no training. I just take
> apart and put it back the way I took it apart. I have done a convertable
> top ( from JC Whitney) and it wasn't that hard and it did look very good!
> It was for about a '70 cougar but it is the same as our '66 olds. The back
> window is a separate piece. I used the book "Car Interior Restoration 3rd
> Edition " by Terry Boyce. It walks you through it and the book can be
> bought at most book stores. Plan on spending most of a day on it as you
> will probably go slow as to 'do it right'. It really isn't that hard. You
> will need a staple gun and possibly a hair dryer. The Fisher Body manual
> also has top replacement instructions and adjustments.
> Hope that this helps. Oh, a friend  to lend moral support isn't bad either.
> :)
> Mary Jones
> '66 Delta 88 convertable


Mary,

I'll go along w/that.  I have done healiners 8 or 10 times.  I have even
taken them out of junque cars & put them into other cars.  The whole
thing takes time & patience, but luckily, no brains.

I have 3 new tops from JC Whitney to put on my cars.  I'm not worried
about the job.  I'll just take my time & pay myself a couple hundred
dollars for the day.  Over the years, I have found that I make many
mistakes, but I fix them as opposed to the pro9fessionals who just say,
"They all work (fit, operate, are made, etc., etc.) that way.  Then they
charge you just as if they did the work in a professional manner.

Thanks for the advice on the book.  I'll get one before I start.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 12:56:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?

Andrew C. Green wrote:

	<snip>
>
> That's not to say that it hasn't been used in windshields; cheaper cars
> in England had it (the laminated windshield was an option!) and it would
> occasionally break in use if a stone was thrown up from the vehicle in
> front or whatever. In rest areas along the motorways there you'd see
> little piles of safety glass from where someone had to pull over to get
> rid of the remains of their cheap windshield (in advanced motoring they'd
> teach you that if your windshield shattered, you were supposed to punch
> your fist through the remainder in order to give yourself a hole to see
> through so you could come to a safe stop). One accessory you carried with
> your jumper cables was an emergency plastic windshield, kind of like a
> clear shower curtain with magnets on it, so you could get home again.
> The good old days of motoring...  :-)
>
> Andrew C. Green

Andy,

I am sorry I missed all of that fun.  I thought that I'd done most
things in a car, but messing w/seeing out of a windshield at 75 mph that
has just been struck struck by a rock & turned wite is a little too much
excitement for me.  Hoods coming up & over the top are about as big an
experience w/driving blind that I have seen.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:06:05 -0400
Subject: Re: wheels

At 06:14 PM 2/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I am considering replacing the simulated wire wheel covers on my 68 442
>with Superstock I wheels.  A local yard quoted me $200 for a set with
>all the chrome.  Is this a reasonable price?  Are my simulated wire
>wheel covers (orginal equipment) worth anything?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Craig Smith
>68 442 convertible


Craig
                If these are the all chrome SSI's that were available that
year snatch them up quickly at $200.00 Those are extremely difficult to
locate a good set. If these wheels have trim rings that go on them then they
are from a 70-72 car. The original ones are 14x6 (66-69) the 70-72 are 14x7.
There's an extremely rare set of all chrome SSI's that were 14x7 they were
found only on the 71 models.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442
Virginia Beach, VA

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:16:52 -0400
Subject: The dreaded parts list

Hello to everyone,
        Just to start out, sorry if the parts list has been TOO frequent for
some. I will from now on post it every Friday evening. I have been updating
it more often due to a few problems encountered with some sales and a large
ammount  of parts we've just started to inventory. My appologies if this has
bothered anyone on the list. Thanks again Jim Chermack.

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:25:20 -0400
Subject: Re: SUPERCHARGED OLDS!!!

Thanks for the 'charger info.  Some comments here.

Sounds like "Don" is the brother of "Joe". OY (olds guy): Why is that?  KIAPS
(know it all parts seller): Because I ****ing told you so! People like this
make me seek out their competition.

Yeah, both Don and Joe think they own the Olds performance world. There are
plenty of others, one being Dave Smith. BTW, Dave sells a nice cam +
everything else (lifters, springs, pushrods, etc) kit at a reasonable price.
Dave's catalog has a lot of racing photos in it, and he holds or held until a
few months ago, the world's small block 1/4 mile record. An Olds no less.

I'm not trying to step on ya. As others have found, some of these Olds parts
merchants have little ability to communicate with those that ask questions and
 some of their methods are very questionable.

Not only does the bottom end need to be stronger, but it has to continue to be
 oiled. Use a steel strap kit with ARP bolts on mains and rods. The Olds oil
system puts too much oil up to the rocker arms (for continued over 4000 RPM
use), so use oil restrictors or restricted pushrods. I would think restricted
pushrods because you want the cam oiled also. Maybe use both with a larger
opening in the restrictor. Fluid dynamics time. These comments are based on
others experience, not mine, although I plan to follow these comments.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
    FAQ 3.0 maybe available Friday (2/14) !!!

- ------------
Hampton Blowers Inc.

I talked with the owner "Don Hampton".  He was extremely helpfull!!!  He
informed me that BDS and he were the only two companies in the world
that make a Roots-Type blower for Oldsmobile.  When I asked him what
the differences were between his blowers and BDS he told me "I've got
43 years of f*cking experience".  Sounds like a guy who knows what he
is talking about!!!!

Don was actually wrong about the there only being two companies that
make a blower for the Olds.  Our friends at Dave Smith Engineering do
make a Blower setup.

Dave Smith Engineering
Corona, California
(909) 371-7040

So know there is only one more problem area.  That weak bottem end
that all BB Olds have.

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:25:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Someone was asking about interchangeability of windshields between
> 4-doors, wagons, coupes and convertibles. I got out my parts book and
> while it isn't totally clear (pun intended) it looks like there's quite a
> bit of interchangeability. For example in 1969 they list a total of 4
> windshields. Eliminate the tinted vs. non-tinted difference and there are
> 2 windshields: those for model 69, then all the others. According to the
> book, model 69 is a 4-door sedan.
>
> This sounds like a job for Bill Culp and his Hollander book...
>
> Greg Beaulieu

Greg,

That book says;

Olds F85 '68-72
2 dr w/antenna     3069B
     w/o           3069A
2dr hdt w/antenna  3069B
     w/o           3069A
conv w/antenna     3071B
     w/o           3071A
4 dr w/antenna     3070B
     w/o           3070A

Interchange;
3069  Note B ($284.30) fits B ($245.10)
A   Buick Special '68-72 2dr sedan w/o antenna
    Buick Special '68-72 2dr hdt w/o antenna
    Chevelle '68-72 2dr exc convertible w/o antenna
    Grand Prix '69-72 w/o antenna
    Monte Carlo '70-72 w/o antenna
    Olds F85 '68-72 2dr sedan w/o antenna
    Olds F85 '68-72 2dr hdt w/o antenna
    Sprint (GMC) '71-72 w/o antenna
    Tempest '68-72 2dr sedan w/o antenna
    Tempest '68-72 2dr hdt w/o antenna
B Same as above w/antenna

3070 Note: B ($340.30) fits A ($323.45) - all A body '68-72 4 drs

3071 Note: B ($357.90) fits A ($385.25)
A    Buick Special '68-72 convertible w/o antenna
     Chevelle '68-72 convertible w/o antenna
     Olds F85 '68-72 convertible w/o antenna
     Tempest '68-72 convertible w/o antenna
B Same as above w/antenna

I didn't think of the Sprint.  These prices are a little old I suppose,
but they do show relative costs.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:33:50 -0400
Subject: Re: wheels

Craig J. Smith wrote:
>
> I am considering replacing the simulated wire wheel covers on my 68 442
> with Superstock I wheels.  A local yard quoted me $200 for a set with
> all the chrome.  Is this a reasonable price?  Are my simulated wire
> wheel covers (orginal equipment) worth anything?
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Craig Smith
> 68 442 convertible

The SSIs for a 1968 should be the Magnum 500 type all chrome except for
the cast center caps w/the rocket emblem on them.  They look very much
like the all chrome ones on Mustangs.

Your wire covers are very desirable.  Try some trading w/an Olds owner.
You may have to pick up wheels 1 or 2 at a time, but beware that there
are several versions of these.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Jason Beres <jberes@eagle1.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 19:39:18 -0400
Subject: RE: The dreaded parts list

As I am new to this, I have yet to experience the wrath of the dreaded =
parts list; however, the idea piques my interest.
I am the owner of a 1983 Regency 98 2dr coupe (blk/brg).  I love my =
cruiser and want it to last awhile longer.  I am in the market for =
interior plastic trim, belt and door pieces, and solid sheetmetal.

Any assistance would be very much appreciated.

Thanks!

Jason Beres

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:38:50 -0400
Subject: Re: 68 Sport Steering Wheel

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the sport steering wheel used in the '68 Cutlass was
> the same (except for the center cap) as the one used in the '68 Corvette?
> They look pretty similar and apparently the Corvette ones can be had for a
> price. I have had zero luck finding a Cutlass sport wheel.
>
> Greg Beaulieu

Greg,

The Corvette ones are deeper set at the hub than the Olds one.  You need
to find a Chevy, Buick, or Olds type that are rather shallow.  you need
one w/the Olds cap & that cast hub also.  Prices I have seen are $300
up.

I have a beautiful 2-spoke one on my 1968 442 which I believe came on
the car.  I have been looking for a 3-spoke one to trade for mine, but
find mostly poor wheels.  I have a notion to take one of my GS wheels &
get the woodgrain cast onto it.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:26:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Headers, just say no!

Chris & Robin Miller wrote:
>
> Brad Bowles wrote:
> >
> >         I'm young.I'm looking for horsepower.  I'm stupid.  I've got
> > money/time to burn.  After reading the header posts, I ordered a set
> > of Doug Thorley headers from Mondello.  Now I'm really looking forward
> > to installing them in my '70 442 with a AT and AC plus all the other
> > goodies.
>
> Brad,  Do you still have the old factory exhaust manifolds and if so are
> they for sale?
>
> Chris Miller
> '68 442
> cya442@inetworld.net
  I do have the stock W/Z manifolds for the car and if all goes well, I
will sell them.  But one reason for the switch is that the manifolds
need some TLC.  I will keep your message and send you info on how the
installation went and if I will be selling them.
Brad
'70 442

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:26:55 -0400
Subject: Re: Headers, just say yes!

At 03:04 AM 2/11/97 -0400, JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com wrote:

>     Yes, you need to remove the oil filter adapter when installing the
>     headers, but not when just changing the filter (at least, not with the
>     headers I've used).  Yes, you will need to drop the starter to install
>     the headers.  And I will admit that the latest set (second generation
>     Kenne-Bell) don't clear the clutch linkage as well as I would like.
>     But, come on.  There is no way that the stock manifolds (W/Z
>     notwithstanding) will flow as well as headers.  It's just a part of
>     the cost of playing the game.

Wouldn't extrune honed stock exhaust manifolds flow nearly as good as
headers with less of the maintainence that is required with headers? Just
wondering.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28......patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2, GSC,  currently bone stock
      planned spring mods: !Cat, !TB, 160stat, SLP cat back, GM Cold Air Kit
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30...white/gold...........3rd place '97 Cleveland Auto Rama

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:26:58 -0400
Subject: Re: Power chips and Stats

At 12:35 PM 2/11/97 -0400, Andrew C. Green wrote:
>>     I was just wondering if any of you have tried a Hypertech power chip
>>and power thermostat.
>
>What is a power thermostat? Can someone explain?

A thermostat with a fancy name IMO. . Many f-body list guys have installed
these and they look and perform just like the "regular" ones.
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28......patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2, GSC,  currently bone stock
      planned spring mods: !Cat, !TB, 160stat, SLP cat back, GM Cold Air Kit
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30...white/gold...........3rd place '97 Cleveland Auto Rama

------------------------------

From: Brad Bowles <wolds@napanet.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:29:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Headers, just say yes!

JPADA@hqgate.orbital.com wrote:
>
>      Sorry, but I have to disagree.  You are all apparently getting too old
>      (and I'm only a year away from the big four-oh).  I've had headers on
>      virtually _every_ A-body Olds I've ever owned, including the current
>      H/O and the 70 W-30.  The 68 will retain the stock manifolds for
>      originality, but the 66 will also get headers when the time comes
>      ("when the time comes" is defined as the car is a little further along
>      than its current stripped hulk sitting in the garage).
>
>      Yes, ground clearance is reduced.  Yes, you will scrape when you pull
>      a "Dukes of Hazzard".  Yes, you will have to periodically tighten the
>      bolts and replace the collector gaskets.  You also have to check the
>      oil and change it every so often, tune the car up, and perform other
>      routine maintenance.  I've never had any problems changing the oil
>      filter (except for the fact that the primary tubes run directly under
>      the dripping filter fitting, resulting in a few seconds of oil smoke
>      upon startup).
>
>      Yes, you need to remove the oil filter adapter when installing the
>      headers, but not when just changing the filter (at least, not with the
>      headers I've used).  Yes, you will need to drop the starter to install
>      the headers.  And I will admit that the latest set (second generation
>      Kenne-Bell) don't clear the clutch linkage as well as I would like.
>      But, come on.  There is no way that the stock manifolds (W/Z
>      notwithstanding) will flow as well as headers.  It's just a part of
>      the cost of playing the game.
>
>      By the way, I've found two coatings which work very well on headers.
>      Aluminum sprayed headers work very well on a daily driver.  The
>      aluminim coating is somewhat forgiving to being knicked and looks good
>      even when oil is spilled on it.  Porcelain coatings look phenomenal,
>      but are considerably more fragile.  I had a set on a car which was
>      kept outdoors (OK, outdoors in So Cal) for almost seven years, and the
>      porcelain looked almost as good as when the coating was new.  Note
>      that this was _not_ a daily driver.  I've not yet tried a set with the
>      HPC Jet Hot coating, but I've heard good things.
>
>      As for protecting the coated headers during installation, put the
>      headers into trash bags, install the headers, then rip the bags off.
>
>      Joe Padavano
>      jpada@hqgate.orbital.com
>
>      66 442
>      68 W-30
>      69 H/O
>      70 W-30

Joe,
	What types of headers have you had success on with the '70 W-30.  I
ordered Doug thoroly headers for my car (part# 331 out of Mondello's)
for my '70 442.  My car has an automatic trans with the column shifter.
I'm worried about the shifter linkage getting in the way.  What do you
think?
Brad
'70 442

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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:40:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds IRC

- ----------
> From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
> To: Olds Mailing List <oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca>
> Subject: Olds IRC
> Date: Monday, February 10, 1997 6:33 PM
>
> Now that the list is getting quite active, is anybody interested in
> starting up the IRC chats again?  Any preferences on nights? Times?
>
> -Dan

Count me in.

Paul Rousseau

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From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:39:57 -0400
Subject: Olds in latest Car Craft

On page 16 of the the newest issue is a picture and story of the proposed
Bravada Pilot, which has more than 20 modifications by SLP (SLP is the same
company making the Z28 SS and the Trans Am WS6). The engine is a 4.3L vortec
with an Eaton supercharger. Good for 230hp. It is lowered 2" and has 17"
wheels. Nice truck, but why the 4.3 Vortec? It would nice to see the LT1
move into there with a supercharger.
They did a top 10 list of pre 80 muscle cars...no Olds
Also did a top 10 engine list......no Olds engine but the LT1 made it :)
They also list the Tick-Tock-Tach as a wacky factory option
There are a couple of tech-talk Q&A's in the back on Olds engines
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28......patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2, GSC,  currently bone stock
      planned spring mods: !Cat, !TB, 160stat, SLP cat back, GM Cold Air Kit
80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30...white/gold...........3rd place '97 Cleveland Auto Rama

------------------------------

From: Barnacle Bill <wreilly@acad.bryant.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:42:22 -0400
Subject: Re: Ouch goes the Rockit  :(

On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, buehner wrote:

>
> Just out of curiousity, has anyone ~ever~ seen a red (not maroon or
> burgandy) mid-80's Cutlass?  Dave Smith had a drag car he painted that color
> (with Precisioned Speed) but I've never seen any others.  Just curious, I
> don't think I'd go with the color, but I've always wonderred about that...
>
Charley,
	The guy parked next to me at OCA Nationals this summer had his '85
Cutlass painted RED with clearcoat.(won BOC)  It looked real sharp.
Another guy had his '88 Aero Hurst painted Red also.(also BOC)  Definately
a nice color for a G body Cutlass (too bad they didn't come this way from
the factory). Besides you don't see too many this color.
	Go ahead and be different, plus you'll stand out among all the
other basic colors.

Bill Reilly
'85 Cutlass Supreme
http://acad.bryant.edu/~wreilly/bill.htm

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From: "Daniel A. Gulino" <gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:39:19 -0400
Subject: Re: old headlights

At 05:30 PM 2/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>>I believe I saw somewhere (Fusick Catalog?) that they would sell you a set
>>of four (hi and lo beams) for $80.
>
>...and I will sell you a set of four for $20!

I actually went and checked my Fusick catalog.  It's not the most recent
one now (for the big cars, they're up to 11BC, and I've got the 10BC), and
I was wrong about the price.  The price is $45 per pair, or $90 for a set
of four.  According to the catalog, these are new, and are "made under
license from General Motors and produced by an OEM manufacturer, these T3's
cannot be distinguished from original."  As I said, they're sold in pairs,
and each pair consists of one hi-beam and one low-beam.  Thus, if you want
two highs or two lows, you gotta buy two pairs.



************************************************
Dan Gulino
gulino@bobcat.ent.ohiou.edu
http://ouvaxa.cats.ohiou.edu/~gulino/rides.html
1975 Delta 88 Convertible
************************************************

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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 20:48:45 -0400
Subject: Re: old headlights

> Just wondering if he should keep them even if they don't work.

I have 3 working T-3's from my '67 Cutlass parts car.  Interested?

Paul Rousseau
*1967 442

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:01:28 -0400
Subject: Re: weird advice

At 01:27 PM 2/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>well today at school i was talking to some people about exhaust work...and
>someone said not to waste money getting a high flow cat...he suggested just
>running a pipe with 1/4" holes drilled in the sides through the existing
>cat...he said he did this and it works just like a high flow cat that others
>have paid over a hundred dollars on...

Well, no, not quite; in order to shove the pipe through the converter,
you've got to hollow out the pellets or the honeycomb in there. Thus, your
"modified" converter works just like a glasspack, and thus no longer
catalytically converts NOx to acceptable levels.

Of course you can (illegally) bypass the cat; you can even do it using a
hollowed-out shell of an old converter, so it appears as though you have one
on there. You're still not reducing the emissions, which a high-flow
catalytic converter would do.

>i was just wondering if there could be
>any truth to this guys story or should i stay away from this guy in the chem
>labs....

Well, apart from the claim that the modified cat "works just like a
high-flow cat that others have paid over a hundred dollars on...", he's
correct.

More properly, the modified cat that he describes "works just like any old
glasspack that others have paid over fifteen dollans on..."
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Wayne Schwartz <wschwart@iaw.on.ca>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:07:51 -0400
Subject: Re: 68 Sport Steering Wheel

Greg Beaulieu wrote:
>
> Does anyone know if the sport steering wheel used in the '68 Cutlass was
> the same (except for the center cap) as the one used in the '68 Corvette?
> They look pretty similar and apparently the Corvette ones can be had for a
> price. I have had zero luck finding a Cutlass sport wheel.
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada Greg- try John Green, I got a sports wheel for my 69 from him.  Wayne
Schwartz

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:29:02 -0400
Subject: Re: Cutlass/VC Windshield?

At 05:01 AM 2/11/97 -0400, you wrote:
>
>>Will a '72 Vista Cruiser windshield fit a '71 Cutlass hardtop? (Holiday
>>Coupe if that makes a difference)
>
>I don't know but be careful what you pay for that windshield.  I bought one
>new  (maybe nos?  I don't know if they still make them) from a local
>automotive glass outfit for $173 back in `94.  Had them come out to the
>house and install it in the car and the total bill was $219.07.  Nice work
>too.  It was denfinitly worth it not to risk cutting myself or breaking the
>new windshield.  Or for that matter breaking the old one in the car that was
>allready cracked.  I get nervous around 100 lb slabs of safety glass.
>
>Greg Pruett
>`72 Vista-Cruiser
>
>
FWIT:  The wholesale price of a new windshield is LESS than 25% of the list
price, occasionally down as low as 20%, depending on the glass manufactuer's
customer's purchase volume.

Useful information when negotiating on a replacement.  I had a new one put
into (ca. 1985) a 1979 F*rd Econoline for less than $100. installed.  It was
one of the glue in ones, not one that is gasketed.  I do not know if they
are easier or harder than the gasketed type, but the man only worked on it
for 20 minutes, and did a first class job.  The junque ended in our
dumpster, so that the installer did not have that part of the job to concern
himself with.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:36:44 -0400
Subject: Re: Leaking Lena

<<Snip city>>


>install new wheel
>bearings (I don't know how old they were)
>
>Kurt
>71 442
>
>
Is there an age element involved in wheel bearing life too?

Just wondering...

The Wiz

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From: "Tracy McKee" <mckeet@discover-net.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:44:37 -0400
Subject: 88 Toronado

I am wondering if anyone has any information about the 88 Toronados with
the 3.8 L engine. I was out looking for a new toy and I found a very nice
looking one it appears to be a very clean car inside and out. It has 92000
miles but runs well.  They are asking 5500 for the car, is this a fair
price? Is there any problems with this car or engine that I should look
for?   Thanks.

Tracy McKee
75 Cutlass Supreme
mckeet@discover-net.net

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From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 21:56:56 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds IRC

I'm partial to DALNET (because I can always get on it), but willing to
try out any IRC server.  Greg, where did the old IRC gang used to meet
at?  My vote would be to make a permanet channel on an IRC server.  You
could check it any time and see who is there.  I don't think that there
will be to many people hanging around, so it would be great to set aside
one or two nights a week to "rendezvous" at the channel.

- -Dan

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 13:08:42 -0400
Subject: Re: old headlights

>> Just wondering if he should keep them even if they don't work.
>
>I have 3 working T-3's from my '67 Cutlass parts car.  Interested?

No thanks.  Personally I'll take aftermarket halogens over the originals any
day. My car's no show winner and I'll take all the help seeing at night I
can get.  My friend just snagged thoes lights 'cause he likes to keep his
car original and he knew the counter guy was just going to charge a token
price (if any) for them.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser

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From: jgoble@nishanet.com (Jeramy Goble)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:05:00 -0400
Subject: Re: 88 Toronado

Tracy McKee wrote:
>
> I am wondering if anyone has any information about the 88 Toronados with
> the 3.8 L engine. I was out looking for a new toy and I found a very nice
> looking one it appears to be a very clean car inside and out. It has 92000
> miles but runs well.  They are asking 5500 for the car, is this a fair
> price? Is there any problems with this car or engine that I should look
> for?   Thanks.
>
> Tracy McKee
> 75 Cutlass Supreme
> mckeet@discover-net.net

Tracy,
Can't speak for the Toro, but the 88 Cutlass FWD we had was driven into
the ground and still rode, drove and looked great. There were some paint
problems with this year Olds so find out about that, espically if it's
silver,blue or some other colors, not sure it effected the Toro.
I would call the bank or your credit union and check the NADA prices or
find the book at the library. Price sounds a bit high, by about $1000,
what do you guys think?
Reg

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From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 22:12:07 -0400
Subject: Patch Panels

	I was poking around in the metal of my '67 442 and I found some more 
rust.
 #*@!  Oh well, what's more body work anyway?  Both of the rear wheel
openings have rusted through slightly, but it's behind where the problem
is.  I was drilling out the spots when I saw that the area behind was
rusted bad, and would soon engulf the entire wheel opening.
	Year One has a pair of patches for this for $159.00.  I was wondering 
if
anyone knows where to find them for cheaper, if possible?  Or, does anyone
have parts cars with good metal here?

Thanks for any help/advice...

Paul Rousseau
*1967 (Rust Bomb) 442

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From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 22:11:49 -0400
Subject: Re: Leaking Lena

At 08:36 PM 2/11/97 -0500, you wrote:
>>install new wheel
>>bearings (I don't know how old they were)
>>
>Is there an age element involved in wheel bearing life too?
>
>The Wiz

Well, I'd imagine the metal has been around a long time, not doing much of
anything, prior to being shaped into roller bearings, so a few more years in
a car wouldn't change much.

i.e. no, age alone won't harm bearings (unless, of course, they are in salt
water).
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

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From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 22:21:26 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds IRC

On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, Dan Williams wrote:
> I'm partial to DALNET (because I can always get on it), but willing to
> try out any IRC server.  Greg, where did the old IRC gang used to meet
> at?  My vote would be to make a permanet channel on an IRC server.  You
> could check it any time and see who is there.  I don't think that there
> will be to many people hanging around, so it would be great to set aside
> one or two nights a week to "rendezvous" at the channel.

We used to use Anothernet. The last few times I've tried to get on there
I have had no success so I don't know if it's still even running. We
used the channel name #oldsmobile. If anyone can recommend an IRC server
that is reliable and easy to get on to, and lets you register a channel
name I'd certainly be willing to try it again.

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:03:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds IRC

- ----------
> From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
> To: Oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Olds IRC
> Date: Tuesday, February 11, 1997 8:21 PM
>
> On Tue, 11 Feb 1997, Dan Williams wrote:
> > I'm partial to DALNET (because I can always get on it), but willing to
> > try out any IRC server.  Greg, where did the old IRC gang used to meet
> > at?  My vote would be to make a permanet channel on an IRC server.  You
> > could check it any time and see who is there.  I don't think that there
> > will be to many people hanging around, so it would be great to set
aside
> > one or two nights a week to "rendezvous" at the channel.
>
> We used to use Anothernet. The last few times I've tried to get on there
> I have had no success so I don't know if it's still even running. We
> used the channel name #oldsmobile. If anyone can recommend an IRC server
> that is reliable and easy to get on to, and lets you register a channel
> name I'd certainly be willing to try it again.
>
> Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia,
Canada
>
> Chatnet is fairly reliable and everyone seems to be able to get on it. It
has a lot of servers most wiich are listed in pirch .090 One we use is
Losangles.CA.US.Chatnet.org   to regester a room I think you have to go to
their home page>
Walter

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From: Tom Millard <OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:06:05 -0400
Subject: New Address...

Due to the overwhelming effort it takes to log on to AOL lately (not to
mention how long it takes to download my mail after a connection...) I have
switched providers to AT&T...
 (surprise... surprise...)

So my address has been changed from OLDSPWR@aol.com to
OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net

Thanks...

Tom Millard OLDSPWR@worldnet.att.net
79 Cutlass - Street/Strip/Show
86 442 - Summer Driver
79 Cutlass - Winter Bomb
"Faithful to the Rocket Division"

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From: MPHeiser@aol.com
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:11:08 -0400
Subject: Re: Oldsmobile Parts For Sale (New List)

Hey that's okay, but if you run across an extra set, please look me up.

Mark

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:18:19 -0400
Subject: Re: A Few Q's

>It would be nice to hear some war stories from someone who's done it before I
attempt it >myself!!

I did ny '70 this past summer.  I understand the '70 is a little
different, but I still don't recommend doing it.  I scratched the
surface of the quarter a bit (before paint).
I even bought a book, but there seems to me too much "special technique
needed"

Jeff.

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:41:29 -0400
Subject: Re: 1968 442 / GM A body, spares & misc parts

Where do you live?

Jeff.

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From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:58:33 -0400
Subject: Re: 1984 Hurst/Olds repair Suggestions

Brandon & Gilbert Russell wrote:
>
> I own a 1984 H/O and would like put my problems to the group and see what
> you come up with.
>
> Problem #2
>
> Rough Idle,  High Hydrocarbons, can smell gas fumes.  runs better but not
> what I would call good after warming up, engine dies if you don't let it
> warm up.

At first reading it sounds like a leaking or cracked intake manifold.
Later Olds V8s seem to be known for this.  Try spraying WD40, starting
fluid, etc on the manifold where it meets the head (with the air aleaner
on if possible) and see if rpms change.  I had a leak on my 70 455 that
caused some of the same problems.

Jeff.
	'91 Quad 442 W-41
	'70 442 Conv.

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From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:49:25 -0400
Subject: 70-72 Big Block Frame Mounts

Is there any one out there that has a set of the big block frame mounts for
sale? I need a pair for a 442 I'm restoring.

Thanks,

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442
Virginia Beach, VA
(757) 474-0869

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From: Frank Gonzalez <PLPAUDIO@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 23:48:15 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds in latest Car Craft

Jason Labay wrote:
>
> On page 16 of the the newest issue is a picture and story of the proposed
> Bravada Pilot, which has more than 20 modifications by SLP (SLP is the same
> company making the Z28 SS and the Trans Am WS6). The engine is a 4.3L vortec
> with an Eaton supercharger. Good for 230hp. It is lowered 2" and has 17"
> wheels. Nice truck, but why the 4.3 Vortec? It would nice to see the LT1
> move into there with a supercharger.
> They did a top 10 list of pre 80 muscle cars...no Olds
> Also did a top 10 engine list......no Olds engine but the LT1 made it :)
> They also list the Tick-Tock-Tach as a wacky factory option
> There are a couple of tech-talk Q&A's in the back on Olds engines
> - - - - - - - - - - -
> Jason Labay  Akron, Ohio (z28cfi@gwis.com) f-list since: 5/95
> 93 Camaro Z/28......patriot red, A4, G92, PEG2, GSC,  currently bone stock
>       planned spring mods: !Cat, !TB, 160stat, SLP cat back, GM Cold Air Kit
> 80 Olds 4-4-2  W-30...white/gold...........3rd place '97 Cleveland Auto Rama

I saw same article and wondered about hp since the stock 4.3 in the
Bravada already puts out 200hp,thats a lot of bucks for little
return.IMHO
Also noticed in engines they put almost all GM(Chevy,Pontiac,Buick)but
not Olds!!!
Frank

------------------------------

From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 11:58:49 -0400
Subject: Re: 88 Toronado

Our '86 Delta 88 has basically the same engine/tranny.  They have weak
timing chain assemblies and suspect tranny's, at least in '86.  you
might want to try a little later - '90 etc.

I love the Toronado Trofeo. 90,91,etc.  They seem to hold their value.
I wasn't overly impressed driving them, but they look awesome!  With
some work, (ie horsepower) what a rod they could make.

Jeff.
	'91 Quad 442 W-41
	'70 442 Conv.

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From: jmskms@ix.netcom.com
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 00:46:54 -0400
Subject: Re: Olds IRC

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If anyone can recommend an IRC server
>that is reliable and easy to get on to, and lets you register a channel
>name I'd certainly be willing to try it again.
>
>Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

I have been using Afternet...it's low traffic (for now), they discourage
rude behavior, and it's been very reliable for me.  The server I've used is
agora.rdrop.com and the port is 6667.

I've taken the liberty of attaching the Afternet IRC Organization Charter
in case anyone (esp. Greg) is seriously interested in doing this.  The
operator that I've had some dealings (not enough for him to remember me by)
with is nicked Mulder.  His e-mail address is (I think) Mulder@afternet.org.

Afternet does allow permanent channels, but there are a few
stipulations...I have a copy of Afternet's FAQ, but as it's a few hundred K
long, just ask me for it and I'll mail it to you.  In the meantime I'll see
what those stipulations for channel registration are and I'll post it.

Later,
Jonathan.
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AfterNET Internet Relay Chat Network
Official Document

AfterNET IRC Network Charter
Saturday, December 07, 1996
Original version by Mulder (mulder9@ibm.net)

Note: This charter will become effective netwide at 12:00 AM ET on January 1,
1997.

Section 1: Purpose of AfterNET IRC Network

A. The main purpose of AfterNET IRC Network is to supply Internet users with a
fast, friendly, place to communicate with each other.

B. The secondary purpose is to provide the users with a network unlike and
superior to other networks and to allow a free democratic system to the
userbase. Users will no longer be faced with lag, netsplits, nick collides,
and floods.

C. The third purpose of AfterNET is to make sure all users receive the same
rights as others, and to provide an alternitive to the networks such as EFnet
and Undernet that promote corruption and greed.

Section 2: Conditions of Operatation

A. No Operators shall use +g mode unless a user requests help and agrees to
let you use +g mode. If the user does NOT agree you may not use +g mode.

B. No Operators shall use the IRC Operator Service (OperServ) anonymously, or
for abusive behavior.

C. No IRC Operator shall kick, ban, or kill another IRC Operator for any
reason whatsoever.

D. No IRC Operator shall jupe a server without an official vote by all network
officials.

E. Emergency server jupes by IRC Operators are permitted but only in extreme
measures. An investigation on the emergency jupe must take place atleast 24
hours after it.

F. No IRC Operators shall harrass users or expose them to strange or unusual
punishment.

Section 3: Conditions of Server Link

A. IRC Server Administrators must be on their server for atleast 3 hours a
week. Failure to comply can result in a penalty to be decided apon by a vote
from network officials.

B. No contact from server administrators within 2 weeks will result in
immediate delink from the network.

C. An O-line limit of 3 is enforced. Discovery of more then 3 O:lines on a
server will result in delink pending a final vote from network officials.

D. All Server Administrators and IRC Operators must agree to the rules found
on this charter and other documentations. Ratifications can be made through
votes.

Section 4: Channel Service Regulations

A. All channels may be registered with AfterNET Channel Service Bot X if the
following is in order:

Channel Registration Form filled out and completed.
The Channel Manager must have atleast 5 supporters.
The channel must be active atleast once a week.

B. Petitions against a channel being registered must be recognized by AfterNET
and voted apon by network officials.

C. Channels that have been taken over, registered or unregistered, must be
restored to the original owner, but only if that owner has requested
assistance from Cservice.

Section 5: User Rights

A. Users hold the right to call apon network officials to vote on something
that they demand.

B. Users hold the right to participate in all that AfterNET has to offer. They
may join any channel they want assuming that they are welcomed by the Channel
Manager.

C. Users hold the right to appeal to any network rule they find
unconstitutional by activating their right described in Section 5A of the
AfterNET Charter.

D. Users hold the right to start any channel they desire and to submit any
requests to AfterNET that they desire.

E. Users may not flood (send excessively large ammounts of text to someone or
thing on IRC in hopes that it will become disconnected), clone (run more then
one connection to flood with), or harrass anyone or thing.

Section 6: Channel Operator Rights

A. Channel Operators reserve the right to form their own rules for their
channel.

B. Channel Operators reserve the right to op, kick, ban, or deop anyone, and
change any channel mode for any reason (this does not include taking over
someones channel).

C. Channel Operators must follow the policy of Section 5.

D. Channel Operators reserve the right to invite anyone to their channel.

E. Channel Operators reserve the right to apply for Channel Registration from
the AfterNET Channel Service.

Section 7: IRC Operator Rights

A. IRC Operators must follow the policy of Section 5.

B. IRC Operators reserve the right to enforce any rules created by their
server administrator but only on a local level.

C. IRC Operators reserve the right to enforce this charter and all other rules
on a global scale for the entire network.

Section 8: Server Administrator Rights

A. Server Administrators must follow the policy of Section 5 and 7.

B. Server Administrators hold the right to create their own server policy, as
long as it does not go against AfterNET policy.

C. Server Administrators may not terminate their server either permanently or
temporarily without 24 hours prior notification to the AfterNET Mailing List.

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e-mail:  jmskms@ix.netcom.com
www:     www.netcom.com/~jmskms


Hey, this IS my fathers Oldsmobile...Ya got a problem with that sis??
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From: Dennis Sytsma <dsytsma@dc.seflin.org>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:10:56 -0400
Subject: need parts 70 98 LS

Hi;
I need left front fender, left rear quarter panel, trunk lid and cruise
vacume servo for 70 98 LS 4 door sedan.

I live in Homestead Florida 30 miles South of Miami Florida.

If you can visit Homestead Florida March 27 1997 come to the Homestead
Motorsports complex for a free event that will include a classic car
show, Carnical Rides, Go cart races.  Call Gary Fergustion of Fergustion
Jewlers in Homestead Florida for more info.  Olds Club of Florida, Olds
Club of America members and cars welcome.  call 305-555-1212 for number
for fergustion jewlers or check out
http://www.racemiami.com for web site for Homestead Motorsports complex.

Help me find the parts I need if you can.  The nearer to Homested the better.


Dennis J. Sytsma

dsytsma@dc.seflin.org

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:21:53 -0400
Subject: Re: My Classic Car

Lloyd - I loved my '70 AMX, it was, of all the musclecars I've owned &
driven, the most fun (390-4speed) and despite being held together in places
with unknown materials, it was the most reliable too.    If I'd have known
they were voting I'd have joined you in your impartiality.

P.S. My buddy who has had just about every muscle car (+ Porsches, etc.)
still says his '70 W-30 was the smoothest, tightest car he ever had.


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: James Thingwold <jht@exo.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:21:51 -0400
Subject: Re: B-Post molding

Chris & All - here is the info for my Canadian parts source:

Richard Glista - Richard's Rocket Ranch (Ontario, Canada)
Phone: 416/775-OLDS


Lisa Madsen

Heavy Metal Forever - '67 Delta 88 & '72 Vista Cruiser

Please E-Mail me at-----:  Lisa@hotglass.com

My Web-Page-----:  http://exo.com/~jht/olds/

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From: WMACHINES@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:23:51 -0400
Subject: hope the Olds list can help

I am in need of one 15 X 7 SSII bolt on cap rim.  Unfortunately these rims
were
a one year option.  That year was 1974.  It was a change over for the 75 and
later
models with 15 inch rims with pop on caps.  So if anybody has 1 or 2 or a
set, please email me. Also, I have a friend looking for  the 3 spoke 69 442
ralley wheel.
If somebody has one and wants to part with it.  please email me on this with
a phone number and name.  Thanks in advance

Mark Prince
W MACHINES
72 442 W-30

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From: Frank Gonzalez <PLPAUDIO@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:35:23 -0400
Subject: Trofeo

> I love the Toronado Trofeo. 90,91,etc.  They seem to hold their value.
> I wasn't overly impressed driving them, but they look awesome!  With
> some work, (ie horsepower) what a rod they could make.
>
> Jeff.
>         '91 Quad 442 W-41
>         '70 442 Conv.

I totally agree,I test drove a pearl white one with the touchscreen
computer and heads up display ,it was the SH*T but it needed more power
and better suspension.Had it had that I would have bought it.
Frank

------------------------------

From: Frank Gonzalez <PLPAUDIO@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:31:20 -0400
Subject: Re: need parts 70 98 LS

Hey Dennis,
I would like some info on Florida olds club.I live
in Miami,I will keep an eye out on those parts.
Frank
70 442
71 442 W30 convt
72 Cutlass S
90 LSC

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From: A67delta88@aol.com
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 01:39:32 -0400
Subject: 67 Delta rear quarter needed..

Hi, just wondering.. are the rear quarters from a 68 delta/delmont 88 the
same as a 67's? I know where I can get a 68 rear quarter, but will this fit
my 67? thanks.

A67Delta88 Custom 4dr hdtp.

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From: buehner@cis.nmclites.edu (buehner)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 03:43:08 -0400
Subject: Re: hope the Olds list can help

Also, I have a friend looking for  the 3 spoke 69 442
>ralley wheel.

???...  Oh, that must be ~steering~ wheel...  I was a bit confused there...
:)

      Charley Buehner       | "buehner@cis.nmclites.edu"
      500 4th Ave.          | "charley@rocketship.com"
      Box 1255              | Montana State University-Northern
      Havre, Montana 59501  | http://cis.nmclites.edu/~buehner
      "Rockit 1"            | '81 Olds Cutlass 425
      "BT UR 4D"            | '70 Buick GS 455
             (Real Cars Don't Wear Bowties)

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From: eppu@cc.tut.fi (Jari Porhio)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 06:34:19 -0400
Subject: Re: Quadrajet II : addle info

 Can anyone tell me, how large (in diameter) should the Quadrajet fuel
inlet valve be for a slightly warm 455 cid engine? I drilled the valve
from 0.12" to 0.15" (same as Edelbrock's), should this be enough?

__________________________________________________________________________
 Jari Porhio  eppu@iki.fi :                     No offence  :)

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From: david wyatt <Wyatt_David_L@Lilly.COM>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:25:30 -0400
Subject: Headers, the saga continues.

I took some time off from work yesterday to take the Olds to the muffler
shop.  I drove it about 30 miles with open headers while wearing ear
plugs.  There are advantages to living in a rural area.  The guy spent
about 2 hours carefully bending and fitting 2.25 inch aluminized tubing.
He installed some short turbo mufflers and the car sounds good.  It will
make some noise under hard accelleration and is quiet when cruising at a
steady speed.  We could not get the trumpets off of the old pipes so I
will install them later.  He cut off the ends of the old pipes and I
stuck them in the trunk.  Back to the headers, the d*mn things hang down
lower than the old set, I didn't notice this when I was under the car at
home.  I lightley scraped the right one while taking a tight left hand
curve.  I will have to be very carefull with this set.  I would not
recommend the Dynomax brand (formerly Blackjack).  These were $250 with
the Jet-Hot coating.  I will be writing to the company with my
complaints.

All in all, it was nice being away from work and spending time with the
Olds.

Dave Wyatt
70  4-4-2

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From: r_mullen@Merck.Com (R Mullen)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:43:00 -0400
Subject: Re:Subject: Highway RPM

>Hey, does anyone out there run a 3.23 rearend with 245/60R15 tires? I
>want to go to 3.23 and that tire size , but I am concerned about highway
>RPM. I did the Bowling math and came up with 3102 @ 80MPH. I am not real
>pleased with that number. Gas milage is not an issue, I just don't like
>my engine running that high. In Dallas, 80 miles an hour is "the flow".
>just curious is anyone runs this particular combo and could give me
>there RPM numbers for the same speed. Also I was told, or more or less
>heard that anything above 3200 RPM for a sustained amount of time was
>the limit. Any thoughts on that?

>Stephen Hoover

Steve,
I run the exact set-up on my '70 442.  That RPM figure sounds about
right.  I don't consider that high.  My car feels like it's loafing
along at 80.  It is indeed loafing, since it has a top end in the 135
mph range.  I don't consider that RPM excessive for sustained driving.
At highway cruising, there is only a low density charge in the cylinders
and hence low load on the engine.  The most torturous driving (aside
(maybe) from start up) is WOT accelration or overreving (say 6000+ for
the typical engine), since maximum load is being placed on all of the
engine components.

If you do highway driving almost exclusively/extensively (i.e. car is a
daily driver), then maybe 3.08's would be a better choice.  I don't
hesitate to drive mine on the highway.  It had 140K or so on it when I
got it, so the 455 is capable of alot of miles/revs.  Just keep the oil
clean and only abuse it when you have to.

Scott Mullen
'70 442

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From: "Mark Cornea (R)" <mcornea@ford.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:50:11 -0400
Subject: Re: Headers, the saga continues.

On Feb 12,  9:25am, david wyatt wrote:
> Subject: Headers, the saga continues.
> I took some time off from work yesterday to take the Olds to the muffler
> shop.  I drove it about 30 miles with open headers while wearing ear
> plugs.  There are advantages to living in a rural area.  The guy spent
> about 2 hours carefully bending and fitting 2.25 inch aluminized tubing.
> He installed some short turbo mufflers and the car sounds good.  It will
> make some noise under hard accelleration and is quiet when cruising at a
> steady speed.  We could not get the trumpets off of the old pipes so I
> will install them later.  He cut off the ends of the old pipes and I
> stuck them in the trunk.  Back to the headers, the d*mn things hang down
> lower than the old set, I didn't notice this when I was under the car at
> home.  I lightley scraped the right one while taking a tight left hand
> curve.  I will have to be very carefull with this set.  I would not
> recommend the Dynomax brand (formerly Blackjack).  These were $250 with
> the Jet-Hot coating.  I will be writing to the company with my
> complaints.
>
> All in all, it was nice being away from work and spending time with the
> Olds.
>
> Dave Wyatt
> 70  4-4-2
>

	Dave,
		I have a set of Hooker Super Comps on mine, they were the only
company that made headers for a stick car that would fit, and they still
needed a small amount of modification. 		I used 2-1/2 SS with 
Flow Master
mufflers and had the whole system Jet-Hot coated, then had a set of 2-1/2 tips
made. I'm real happy with it.

                                                       ___  ___
                                              /     /    / /  /
                                             / __  /  --/ /  /
       Mark Cornea (Dr Decal) `70 442 stick /_/ /_/ ___/ /__/ Red

             (MCORNEA@pt8244.pto.ford.com)

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:55:11 -0400
Subject: Header Woes

I've read about ten dozen times about headers always coming loose.

I had a similar situation with a mid-1970's International Harvester 392 V8.
The exhaust would come loose in a few days, and needed to be tightened.  I
think that that engine had a harmonic vibration that just shook the
fasteners loose.  I tried pal nuts, double pal nuts, double brass nuts all
to no avail.

One day I got tired of the problem and removed the exhaust manifolds,
drilled the studs, and put on castellated nuts with cotter pins; end of
problem.

I would suggest drilling your bolts, adding an attachment stud to the header
flange, and use a cotter pin or safety wire tie to keep it tight, the cotter
pin seemingly the best.  It might be a bit of extra work at installation,
but worth it in agrivation (sp).

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:55:50 -0400
Subject: Re: 88 Toronado

At 01:05 AM 2/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Tracy McKee wrote:
>>
>> I am wondering if anyone has any information about the 88 Toronados with
>> the 3.8 L engine. I was out looking for a new toy and I found a very nice
>> looking one it appears to be a very clean car inside and out. It has 92000
>> miles but runs well.  They are asking 5500 for the car, is this a fair
>> price? Is there any problems with this car or engine that I should look
>> for?   Thanks.
>>
>> Tracy McKee
>> 75 Cutlass Supreme
>> mckeet@discover-net.net
>
>Tracy,
>Can't speak for the Toro, but the 88 Cutlass FWD we had was driven into
>the ground and still rode, drove and looked great. There were some paint
>problems with this year Olds so find out about that, espically if it's
>silver,blue or some other colors, not sure it effected the Toro.
>I would call the bank or your credit union and check the NADA prices or
>find the book at the library. Price sounds a bit high, by about $1000,
>what do you guys think?
>Reg
>
>

This car is ten years old with 92,000 miles; and is priced at $5500. which
is about 25% of its original base price.  Tomorrow it is going to need
everything renewed; and the FWD stuff is expensive to work on, especially if
you do not do it yourself.

It is not much of a collectible, but rather an old used car.

I think it is overpriced by at least double, it should be in the $2000. to
$2500. range, and should be full excellent to bring that.

At $5500. I'd pass.

The Wiz

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From: "Timothy A. Churchill" <tac3550@egbsun1.draper.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 09:54:50 -0400
Subject: Re: Headers, the saga continues.

Dave Wyatt relates:

> I took some time off from work yesterday to take the Olds to the muffler
> shop.  I drove it about 30 miles with open headers while wearing ear
> plugs.  There are advantages to living in a rural area.  The guy spent
> about 2 hours carefully bending and fitting 2.25 inch aluminized tubing.
                                                        ^^^^^^^^^^
Dumb Question Dept.:  Does 'aluminization' increase the lifespan of the
                      exhaust?  Is this kind of tube stock special order?
                      Or do most muffler shops carry it?

This'll be good to keep in mind as an option whenever I replace the exhaust
system; i.e., custom work as opposed to ordering OEM pieces...

> All in all, it was nice being away from work and spending time with the
> Olds.


"A Bad Day in the Olds is Better Than a Good Day at Work"

...not that you necessarily had a bad day, Dave; I just plagiarized --
quoting my sources again, Scott! :) -- that ol' Fishin' bumper sticker.


Tim Churchill
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'67 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme Convertible, a.k.a. 'Big Red'
'89 Cadillac Fleetwood, a.k.a. 'Der KinderWagen'
'91 Mazda Protege, a.k.a. 'The Next Car to be Replaced'

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From: Matthew Butler <matthewbutler@fsd.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 1997 10:03:17 -0400
Subject: Re: SUPERCHARGED OLDS!!! -Reply

Hey David,

Thanks for the comments.  I upgraded my oiling system last rebuild.  12 qt
oil pan, oil restrictors, high volume/pressure pump.  I think that I will get
a set of restricted push rods as well.

As far as Don, I didn't want to give anyone the wrong impression, but I
guess that I did.  OOOPS!@#   I do have to say that I was a little taken
back by his comment, but then again he did talk on the phone with me for
about 45 minutes... telling me everything that I wanted to know.  I believe
that the fellas at BDS came from his shop and there is a little healthy
compitition.  Don was insistant on the fact that he didn't advertise, which
means to him that his product is superior and doesn't need advertising.


Anyway, Just wanted to say that I liked Don and if I buy a blower he will
be one that I seriously consider.  As a matter of fact, he was the only
place that I called that I actually talked to the owner and not a secretary
giving me prices.

As far as the bottem strength, I talked to "Gary" at Rocket Auto in Cedar
Rapids(great guy! a serious high performance knowledge base) and he
told me that a simple rod modification, which Steve Reed gave me a CAD
drawing for(thanks Steve), Good oiling system, strap kit and ARP
main and rod bolts all around should hold it to about 650HP.  He told me
this via experience with a Racing 455 he built that dyno-ed at 670HP and
turned 6700.

Let me know if you are going to build a Super(charged)-Rocket and we
can compair notes as we go.

Matt Butler

>>> David Brown <dbrown%mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu@fsd.com> 02/11/97
06:25pm >>>
Thanks for the 'charger info.  Some comments here.

Sounds like "Don" is the brother of "Joe". OY (olds guy): Why is that?
KIAPS  (know it all parts seller): Because I ****ing told you so! People like
this make me seek out their competition.

Yeah, both Don and Joe think they own the Olds performance world.
There are  plenty of others, one being Dave Smith. BTW, Dave sells a
nice cam + everything  else (lifters, springs, pushrods, etc) kit at a
reasonable price. Dave's catalog has a lot of racing photos in it, and he
holds or held until a few months ago,  the world's small block 1/4 mile
record. An Olds no less.

I'm not trying to step on ya. As others have found, some of these Olds
parts  merchants have little ability to communicate with those that ask
questions and  some of their methods are very questionable.

Not only does the bottom end need to be stronger, but it has to continue
to be  oiled. Use a steel strap kit with ARP bolts on mains and rods. The
Olds oil  system puts too much oil up to the rocker arms (for continued
over 4000 RPM  use), so use oil restrictors or restricted pushrods. I
would think restricted  pushrods because you want the cam oiled also.
Maybe use both with a larger  opening in the restrictor. Fluid dynamics
time. These comments are based on  others experience, not mine,
although I plan to follow these comments.

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
    FAQ 3.0 maybe available Friday (2/14) !!!

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Hampton Blowers Inc.

I talked with the owner "Don Hampton".  He was extremely helpfull!!!  He
informed me that BDS and he were the only two companies in the world
that make a Roots-Type blower for Oldsmobile.  When I asked him what
the differences were between his blowers and BDS he told me "I've got
43 years of f*cking experience".  Sounds like a guy who knows what he
is talking about!!!!

Don was actually wrong about the there only being two companies that
make a blower for the Olds.  Our friends at Dave Smith Engineering do
make a Blower setup.

Dave Smith Engineering
Corona, California
(909) 371-7040

So know there is only one more problem area.  That weak bottem end
that all BB Olds have.

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