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oldsmobile-digest          Tuesday, 25 March 1997       Volume 01 : Number 576

Re: ADMIN
Re: wheels for Calais
Re: 1970 olds value, a similiar experience
Re: 1970 olds value
Re: 442 Wheels
sway bars for '71 Cutlass
Re: 1954 Oldsmobile
Re: 1970 olds value
Good Welder
3.73 speedometer gear
Re: wheels for Calais
SodaBlasting
Re[2]: 1970 olds value
Re: 442 Wheels
Air Cleaner paint
Re: Judging Rules
Weekend stuff & fuel pump
Re: wheels for Calais
Re: Weekend stuff & fuel pump
need pieces
Re: Good Welder
Re: SodaBlasting
Re: Good Welder
Re: Good Welder
Re: 3.73 speedometer gear
Re: Dual exhaust
Re: Judging Rules
NOS Parts Request
2? and apart, clarification
Re: IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!
Re: 3.73 speedometer gear
Re: olds IRC set up help
Re: 69 H/O Rear Code
Re: SodaBlasting
Bumper to bumper
NJ '77 Cutlass Supreme owners..
Re: wheels for Calais
Re: 2? and apart, clarification
Re: IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!
New Member
Re: IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!
Re: Bumper to bumper
Re: Good Welder
Re: New Member
Re: Air Cleaner paint
Re: 442 Wheels
Good Welder
I'm outta here...
subscribe oldsmobile
Re: Good Welder
Neat car found on the tube
Re: Good Welder
Re: New Member
Fw: Neat car found on the tube
New Olds / Shelby Series I
Good Welder
Trofeo Auto Lock Problem
Re: Bumper to bumper
Re: Neat car found on the tube
Re: Good Welder
Re: Trofeo Auto Lock Problem
Re: Trofeo Auto Lock Problem
***** Priced to sell or trade 1967 Cutlass *******
Re: New Member
1979 455
RE: 1979 455

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From: "Andrew C. Green" <acg@dlogics.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:10:04 -0400
Subject: Re: ADMIN

>On Sun, 23 Mar 1997, Jari Porhio wrote:
>>  STOP DOING THIS! Don't you people understand what problems you cause
>> by sending these binaries.
>
>Jari, you're absolutely right to yell in this case. Especially since the
>same thing happened only a couple of days ago, and there was discussion
>of it here at the time.

Yup. Greg's New and Improved subscriber welcome message needs to say,
up front: "DO NOT SEND PICTURES TO THE OLDS LIST!!!" Having got past
the headline, we could maybe add the following points:

1) It doesn't matter whether your binaries are Included or Attached;
the recipient can still get bombed with the whole thing. It can get
delivered whether or not the recipient is interested in viewing it;
an Attachment simply enables it to get written straight to disk
right away instead of showing up in the main message.

2) Get a web page! You've already encoded your image file, so put it on
a web page and send us the URL. If you don't have the facilities for it,
drop your photos in the mail to Bryceman and he'll give them a place of
honor over at www.442.com

3) Manage to overlook the screaming headline above, miss points (1) and
(2) above and bomb the list anyway, and our long-suffering administrator
will take a dim view of your continued subscription. Right away.

Now, moving on to the topic of dimwitted software that bounces the
_entire_ digest message back to the entire list...  :-{

Andrew C. Green                   (312) 853-8331
Datalogics, Inc.
101 N. Wacker Drive, Ste. 1800    Internet: acg@dlogics.com
Chicago, IL  60606-7301           FAX: (312) 853-8282

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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 07:19:00 -0400
Subject: Re: wheels for Calais

On 23 Mar 97 at 13:58, Greg Pruett wrote:

> Aren't there some alloy three spoke sixteen inch mags around on some
> late model (~93 and up) cultasses.  I 've seen quite a few in

Those would have two potential problems on the Calais, bolt pattern,
and offset.  The Calais has a smaller bolt pattern than the Cutlass, if I
remember right.

>  I checked the tire on one once and they were 16" rims.  I like the
> looks of them and have toyed with the idea of  finding a set for my
> V-C even if they do have the chicken-track style rocket emblem in
> the center.

Those wheel sure would look funny backwards on the VC.  The Bolt
offset would sit the tire/wheel inwards several inches.

Mike
'91 W-40 442
'93 W-41 SCX

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From: Eric Aksomitis <aksomi@cs.uregina.ca>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:30:16 -0400
Subject: Re: 1970 olds value, a similiar experience

I once looked at a '72 olds 88, 50,000 original miles.  Body only
slightly showing it's age (one traffic  ding).  They were asking $2000
canadian.  (Then they played jack up the price when I showed interest,
they still have the car).



EA~

On Mon, 24 Mar 1997, Fred Martin wrote:

> Does anyone have a good estimate of the value of a 1970 Olds Delta 88
> with only 14000 miles? It's in very good condition and being driven
> after being in a garage for years.
>

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:29:36 -0400
Subject: Re: 1970 olds value

4 door or 2 door?

It makes a big difference in what people "are willing" to pay for one of
these cars.  I believe there was somebody, David Brown maybe, who was
looking for one of these in the 4-door variety.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

On Mon, 24 Mar 1997, Fred Martin wrote:

> Does anyone have a good estimate of the value of a 1970 Olds Delta 88
> with only 14000 miles? It's in very good condition and being driven
> after being in a garage for years.
>
>

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From: "Tom Lentz" <tlentz@teknon.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 04:52:41 -0400
Subject: Re: 442 Wheels

     The 442 and Hurst wheels are different.  The 442 wheels are painted
     gold on the inside around the lug-nuts.  The Hurst wheels are painted
     "Argent", which looks darn close to chrome to me.  Other than the
     paint, they're the same.  I can get the part number for the Hurst
     wheel if anyone wants, but I was told that GM discontinued them a year
     or two back.

     Tom Lentz
     tlentz@teknon.com


______________________________ Reply Separator
_________________________________ Subject: 442 Wheels Author:
oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca at INTERNET Date:    3/24/97 7:37 AM


If anybody is looking for the 15 x 7 GM Chrome Oldsmobile wheels
that came on the 442 / Hurst in the 80's, The part number is GM
22528518 I don't have the center cap number. The last time that I
checked the price was $300 US

phouse@feith.com
87 Cutlass Salon 70K V8 (307)


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From: Gregory M Zimmerman <gzimmerm@runet.edu>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:56:35 -0400
Subject: sway bars for '71 Cutlass

>
> Gregory M Zimmerman wrote:
> >
> > My '71 Cutlass has H-O racings sway bars, springs, poly bushings, etc.
> > and I'm setting it up so it can corner like a modern sports car.  I have
> > almost zero body roll, but the 14x7 rally wheels with 225-70-14 Eagle
> > ST's are not up to the challange.
> >



> I can't help with your problem really.  But I was wondering how much of
> a difference the H-O sway bars made.  I have already finished the front
> suspension with all new poly components.  I have successfully put
> 255/60R15's all the way around on my 65 442.  I still have plenty of
> room out back but she is as tight as can be up front.
>

The H-O bars made an incredible difference from the stock cutlass front
sway bar.  They are 1 3/8" front and rear.  I also used their big block
springs (even though I have a 350), and have KYB front shocks and Monroe
gas rear shocks with the helper springs on them (Load levelers?).  they
don't jack up the rear, but help when carrying four passengers.


How does your car hangle with the 255/60/15's?  If I can't find any good
16 or 17's, I might just have to use them.  What size wheels and
backspacing did you use?

Greg
gzimmerm@runet.edu

'71 Olds Cutlass Supreme

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From: Merlina Tate <merlinat@televar.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:06:31 -0400
Subject: Re: 1954 Oldsmobile

Lloyd Culp wrote:
>
> Merlina Tate wrote:
> >
> > We are restoring a 1954 Olds and are looking for a picture that shows
> > the two-tone paintjob.   Jim Tate
>
> Jim,
>
> I have some pictures that I could send privately.  Which model & body
> style are you working on?
>
> Bill Culp
> Decatur, Alabama

Bill Culp:

We have a 4-door, 88.  Would like to restore it to a two-tone paint job,
using blue and white.

Jim Tate

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From: FMARTIN@pstcc.cc.tn.us
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:42:29 -0400
Subject: Re: 1970 olds value

4 door or 2 door?


Response--the '70 Olds 88 is a 4 dr.


It makes a big difference in what people "are willing" to pay for one of
these cars.  I believe there was somebody, David Brown maybe, who was
looking for one of these in the 4-door variety.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

On Mon, 24 Mar 1997, Fred Martin wrote:

> Does anyone have a good estimate of the value of a 1970 Olds Delta 88
> with only 14000 miles? It's in very good condition and being driven
> after being in a garage for years.
>
>



-
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----- Fred H. Martin 694-6587 fmartin@pstcc.cc.tn.us -
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-

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From: joshstrub@csgnyc1.attmail.com (joshstrub)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:52:58 -0400
Subject: Good Welder

I know nothing about welding.  If I wanted to get a good welder to do a
variety of welding jobs and handle most of what I'm going to need to do with a
restoration and modification what is a good brand and specks.  I would like to
avoid having the power company come to my house and run a 220 line in if at
all possible.

Thaks for the help.

Josh

------------------------------

From: John and Elizabeth Gene <gene@cybernex.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:48:46 -0400
Subject: 3.73 speedometer gear

Help,
     Does anyone know where I can find a speedometer gear that works in a
TH200-4R transmission in conjunction with a 3.73 rear end gear set?
     I have and appointment to change the rear a week from today and if I
can't find out that the right speedometer gear is available then I will
have to return it for a 3.42. There is a Buick Grand National listing for
that gear set.
      Please, if anyone can help me I would greatly appreciate. I don't
have to be in possession of the speedometer gear immediately but must know
of its existence before the 3.73 gear set is installed.
      Thank you for taking the time to read this and any help you may provide.
John
+================================+
| John and Elizabeth Gene        |
| mailto:gene@cybernex.net       |
| http://www2.cybernex.net/~gene |
+================================+

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From: grpruett@vt.edu (Greg Pruett)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 06:27:05 -0400
Subject: Re: wheels for Calais

>>  I checked the tire on one once and they were 16" rims.  I like the
>> looks of them and have toyed with the idea of  finding a set for my
>> V-C even if they do have the chicken-track style rocket emblem in
>> the center.
>
>Those wheel sure would look funny backwards on the VC.  The Bolt
>offset would sit the tire/wheel inwards several inches.


Aw maaaan. Too bad.  I guess 255/60/R16 Zs are completely out of the
question then huh?  :)

Well thanks for saving me having to go to the junkyard with a tape to find
that out.

Greg Pruett
`72 Vista-Cruiser
`67 Cutlass Supreme

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From: Ray Moriarty <rmoriarty@blairinc.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:22:02 -0400
Subject: SodaBlasting

Does anyone have experience with using sodium bicarbonate as a blast medium?
Can it be run through an unmodified sandblasting unit?

TIA
Ray
34467x

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From: "David Brown" <dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:21:32 -0400
Subject: Re[2]: 1970 olds value

Ahh, another '70 Delta! I've got one of those; it is slowly being restored.

What I've seen as the largest areas of rust are bottom of front fenders,
behind wheel, the trunk pan (where the bolts attach to the frame's
bushings), and around the rear wheel wells. If it is solid in these places,
it's highly likely the car is solid elsewhere.

14,000 miles is pretty low! Car is just broken in! Any service records
available? I would advise a careful check of the interior for 100,000 miles
of wear (just had a '76 Skylark being passed off with 29,000 miles, but a
really worn interior, and nasty engine compartment). But even with 114,000
miles, the Rocket is just broken in!

You might want to check Hemmings for comparable cars, to find pretty much
the absolute top price you are looking at. Let us know what decision you
make, and if yes, send some pictures to Bryceman!

David Brown   Mailto:dbrown@mcis.bsd.uchicago.edu
- ------------

4 door or 2 door?

It makes a big difference in what people "are willing" to pay for one of
these cars.  I believe there was somebody, David Brown maybe, who was
looking for one of these in the 4-door variety.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu
the_rocketeer@rocketmail.com

> Does anyone have a good estimate of the value of a 1970 Olds Delta 88
> with only 14000 miles? It's in very good condition and being driven
> after being in a garage for years.

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From: Jason Adcock <adcockjk@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:45:03 -0400
Subject: Re: 442 Wheels

Peter L. House wrote:
>
> If anybody is looking for the 15 x 7 GM Chrome Oldsmobile wheels
> that came on the 442 / Hurst in the 80's, The part number is GM
> 22528518 I don't have the center cap number. The last time that I
> checked the price was $300 US
>
> phouse@feith.com
> 87 Cutlass Salon 70K V8 (307)

For the whole set?  That's pretty good!  I was trying to look elsewhere
for a set a while ago, but didn't look at GM because I figured they'd be
$1000+.

- --

+------------------------------------------------+

 Jason Adcock
 1984 Cutlass Calais RWD V8

 adcockjk@erols.com
 http://www.erols.com/adcockjk/jason/cutlass.html

+------------------------------------------------+

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From: "Robert J. Lavey" <rjlavey@rmci.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:09:25 -0400
Subject: Air Cleaner paint

Hi Gang,

What shade of orange paint should be used on the air cleaner in my 1968 442?
Where do I buy it?

Thanks,
Bob
- -----------------------------------------------------------------
 Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
 13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
 Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
- -----------------------------------------------------------------

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From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:48:17 -0400
Subject: Re: Judging Rules

On Sat, 22 Mar 1997 20:19:15 -0400 "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com> writes:
>At Hershey, ten or fifteen years ago, we were brousing thru the show
>cars,
>and were talking with various of their owners (1929 to 1932 mainly),
>and
>happened upon a 1932 Oldsmobile.  A stupenuous original car that had
>been
>give superb care and only required a very minor facelift, to make is
>an
>acceptable show car; amounting to new tires and chrome only.
>
>The owner was deducted points because he had replated the hood's
>windsplits,
>and the judges were adamant that only Chevrolet offered them as an
>option as
>plated; and that he should have painted them.  He told me that the car
>always had plated windsplits and that is why he did it that way.
>
>This was one of those one in a million shows, where the impossable can
>happen; as an hour or two earlier, I had acquried a genuine copy of
>Olds'
>1932 Accessory book, and low and behold, it showed chrome plated
>windsplits
>as available from Oldsmobile.
>
>He went and got the judges, and they accepted this evidence and
>restored the
>points.  The onus of proof was on the car's owner, have the proof and
>many
>things are acceptable, without; the points can go bye-bye, genuine or
>not.
>
>The Wiz
>
This reminds me of the way people are treated before a trial, guilty
until proven innocent. It sure seems a far cry from the concepts that
America was based upon.

Katana72

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From: dpauliso@juno.com (Dave Paulison)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 17:56:26 -0400
Subject: Weekend stuff & fuel pump

Well, this weekend I changed the lube in my rear end again.  The last
time I did it, I used blue RTV, and it had developed a ~very small~ drip.
 So, I went out and got a couple quarts of 80W-90, and a gasket (which
nobody had last time, so I used RTV).  I took the cover off, and cleaned
things up.  When I went to put it back together, the gasket I got was the
right shape, but none of the holes lined up, no matter how I tried to
make them.  Aarrgghhh!  How frustrating!  Luckily, I went to my Dad's
house to do the work, and he was able to take me out to find another
gasket.

We took the cover with us, and went to three other auto parts stores to
find a gasket.  Every one was the same; the right shape, but all the
holes were wrong.  Finally we decided we had enough driving around, and I
just bought some gasket material and made my own, using the wrong-holed
one for a pattern.  What a pain!  I finally got it back together,
however, and it's drip free.

I'm going to be replacing my fuel pump this week, and was wondering if
the original one on my '69 350 was painted engine color, or left au
natural.


Dave Paulison                    1969 Oldsmobile Cutlass Supreme
Palm Bay, Florida                1993 Mitsubishi Eclipse GS
dpauliso@juno.com

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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 13:08:52 -0400
Subject: Re: wheels for Calais

On 24 Mar 97 at 6:27, Greg Pruett wrote:

> >Those (FWD) wheels sure would look funny backwards on the VC.  The Bolt
> >offset would sit the tire/wheel inwards several inches.
>
> Aw maaaan. Too bad.  I guess 255/60/R16 Zs are completely out of the
> question then huh?  :)

Well, you may want to try the 5 points off a C*price Impala SS.
Those would look real sharp with the Olds Rocket (the REAL one) in
the center (and would probably fit your existing bolt pattern)....

> Well thanks for saving me having to go to the junkyard with a tape
> to find that out.

Or did I?

Mike
'91 W-40 442
'93 W-41 SCX

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:21:42 -0400
Subject: Re: Weekend stuff & fuel pump

Dave Paulison wrote:

> Well, this weekend I changed the lube in my rear end again.  The last

That was probably painful! ;-)  Just a little levity...

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: Dustin E Cross <dcross@selway.umt.edu>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:06:29 -0400
Subject: need pieces

After I had a Tire blow on I-15 in Idahoe I pegged a reflector with my '89
cutlass supreme SL  I am in search of both right side wheel well moldings
(chrome) and the rocker panel molding from the pass door to the rear wheel
well, I also need the plastic insert for the front of the rocker molding
on the pass door.

also during the wreck I lost part of one of my aluminum wheels (it
balaneced but it is ugly) so I am looking for a set of 16" wheels off a
newer cutlass supreme and will be interested in selling the "set" I have.
they are the "honeycomb" style and have 205/70-15  (different set than
last week!)

Dustin Cross
'53 ch*v pu
'68 olds cutlass wagon
'72 Buick Skylark
'78 ch*v Blazer
'89 olds cutlass supreme

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:28:33 -0400
Subject: Re: Good Welder

At 02:52 PM 3/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I know nothing about welding.  If I wanted to get a good welder to do a
>variety of welding jobs and handle most of what I'm going to need to do with
a >restoration and modification what is a good brand and specks.  I would like
to >avoid having the power company come to my house and run a 220 line in if
at >all possible. > >Thaks for the help. > >Josh > > Unless you live in one
of those places that may still have 25cycle or D.C. power distribution; which
is quite unlikely, you almost certainly have 220VAC coming into your house
already!!!

In your house you use it as two circuits of 110?

Get a welder and learn.  I would suggest a MIG as being the best for amateur
sheetmetal, but they are a bit more costly than the usual stick welding buzz
box.

The Wiz

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From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:31:52 -0400
Subject: Re: SodaBlasting

At 03:22 PM 3/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone have experience with using sodium bicarbonate as a blast medium?
>Can it be run through an unmodified sandblasting unit?
>
>TIA
>Ray
>34467x
>
>
>
Can be done, is supposed to be one of the least abrasive mediums too.

The Wiz

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From: "Joshua Strub" <65olds88@worldnet.att.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:32:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Good Welder

> Unless you live in one of those places that may still have 25cycle or
D.C.
> power distribution; which is quite unlikely, you almost certainly have
> 220VAC coming into your house already!!!
>
> In your house you use it as two circuits of 110?

Our Central Air already takes up one half of the 110, however, I do have 2
20 amp cuircits and 2 30 amp cuircits.  Is this enough or do I need a
designated line just for the welder.  This is my only concern.

>
> Get a welder and learn.  I would suggest a MIG as being the best for
amateur
> sheetmetal, but they are a bit more costly than the usual stick welding
buzz
> box.
>
> The Wiz
>
I hope too soon, just don't want to waste my money on something I wont need
and miss something I will.

Josh

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From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 20:36:46 -0400
Subject: Re: Good Welder

- ----------
> From: Joshua Strub <65olds88@worldnet.att.net>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Re: Good Welder
> Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 5:32 PM
>
> > Unless you live in one of those places that may still have 25cycle or
> D.C.
> > power distribution; which is quite unlikely, you almost certainly have
> > 220VAC coming into your house already!!!
> >
> > In your house you use it as two circuits of 110?
>
> Our Central Air already takes up one half of the 110, however, I do have
2
> 20 amp cuircits and 2 30 amp cuircits.  Is this enough or do I need a
> designated line just for the welder.  This is my only concern.
>
> >
> > Get a welder and learn.  I would suggest a MIG as being the best for
> amateur
> > sheetmetal, but they are a bit more costly than the usual stick welding

There are a number of 110 V Mig welders that work great for sheet metal and
steel up to about 3/16 thick. Anything thicker than that you will need a
220 V rig.
I agree with wiz the MIG is the best choice,  Make sure you get one that
shuts the power off to the wire when you release the trigger. I had a cheap
one that the wire stayed hot all the time. The trigger just shut off the
gas and made the wire feed. That thing was impossible to weld with and
although I don't claim to be good I had used a Mig a lot. Someone who had
never used a mig would have thought it impossible for him to weld and gave
up.
If you do need 220 you can use your dryer outlet ( you will have to change
the welder plug)  if it is in a place where your welder will plug in and
reach your garage. Avoid long extension cords they will hurt the
performance of your welder.
Also avoid leaving your wifes dryer unpluged when you are done it makes
them madder than he** .
Walter

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:35:40 -0400
Subject: Re: 3.73 speedometer gear

John and Elizabeth Gene wrote:
>
> Help,
>      Does anyone know where I can find a speedometer gear that works in a
> TH200-4R transmission in conjunction with a 3.73 rear end gear set?
>      I have and appointment to change the rear a week from today and if I
> can't find out that the right speedometer gear is available then I will
> have to return it for a 3.42. There is a Buick Grand National listing for
> that gear set.
>       Please, if anyone can help me I would greatly appreciate. I don't
> have to be in possession of the speedometer gear immediately but must know
> of its existence before the 3.73 gear set is installed.
>       Thank you for taking the time to read this and any help you may
provide. > John > +================================+ > | John and Elizabeth
Gene        | > | mailto:gene@cybernex.net       | > |
http://www2.cybernex.net/~gene | > +================================+

John,

I would check w/all of the GM parts departments  in your town.  One of
the models uses a 3.73 w/the 200R.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:36:21 -0400
Subject: Re: Dual exhaust

In a message dated 97-03-22 21:54:49 EST, you write:

> Are you including the Dynomax mufflers in the 'cheap' category?  I'm not
>  looking for the cheapest way out, just the best value for my money, while
>  still considering other factors (sound, durability, etc).

I put my Dynomax Super Turbos on almost 4 years ago.  I'd have to hunt to
find the receipt, but I recall them as being low priced.  Don't think I'd
call them cheap.  They've serviced me very well.  I highly recommend them to
you.

Paul

------------------------------

From: PHartlieb@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:36:35 -0400
Subject: Re: Judging Rules

In a message dated 97-03-23 15:05:42 EST, you write:

> > The owner can later get a general reading of the point deductions on his
>  > car in writing, but he will never receive that actual judging sheet.
>  > The judge who reveals the details of the actual judging could be banned
>  > from judging forever.  Anyone who says that they know the details of the
>  > deductions on his car is only guessing.
>  >
>  > Bill Culp
>  > Decatur, Alabama
>  >
>  Are you sure about this point?  I

The above does not apply to OCA, but to AACA.  AACA judges are not allowed to
disclose information from your judging sheet to you, and you will never the
judgins sheet they used.  And don't get caught stationing someone to peek
over their shoulder, either.

OCA wil send you a copy of the actual judging sheet the judges use and they
judges are encouraged to tell you what you can do to improve your car.  It's
an entirely different setup.

Paul

------------------------------

From: Greg Beaulieu <ab348@chebucto.ns.ca>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:54:25 -0400
Subject: NOS Parts Request

Posting for a couple of fanatical friends who are sticklers for "correct"
parts...

WTB 1970 distributor parts, NOS only:

ª1973427 vacuum advance unit
ª1846199 primary lead
ª1852935 lubricating wick

Please email me privately if you can help. TIA!

Greg Beaulieu        ab348@chebucto.ns.ca        Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada

------------------------------

From: Steve <smickle@ismi.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:00:34 -0400
Subject: 2? and apart, clarification

I wrote:

> Does anyone know of a supplier that has bronze paint that is of the
> right tint? The paints I have seen from the "big two" are not right.

I should have been a little more specific here, obviously.  I meant 400
engine paint for a 66.  By the "big two" I meant parts suppliers we are
all familiar with which I would prefer not to name.  I am by and large
satisfied with the parts and supplies they provide, but in the case of
this paint, when original parts are compared to repainted parts there is
a definite difference that I do not believe can be attributed to age.

As long as I am back on here there was something I left out of that
letter.  I have a 66 Toro trans which I would be happy to give to anyone
that would want it for their own use, not for resale.  It's from a low
mileage car and is in good shape.  It's taking up space, of which I have
little, and previous efforts to sell it failed.  I can't bring myself
to  pitch it.  I'm in S.E. Michigan.

Steve.

------------------------------

From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:22:54 -0400
Subject: Re: IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!

KarlAunan@aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 97-03-20 21:24:29 EST, you write:
>
> << Sorry, I couldn't make it last night.  The "attendance" has been very
>  poor.  Would a different night/time be better for everyone?
>
>  -Dan
>
>  > I went there about 7:30 and no one was there ????? whats the deal was I
> too
>  > late?
>  > Walter
>   >>
>
> Whatever you all do, do not give up on this. I wish to participate but will
> be unable for perhaps as many as three more weeks.
>
> Karl Aune
> 1965 Dynamic 88
> Chicago, IL

I'll be on tomorrow and hopefully Wend.  Hopefully some other people
will show up also.

- -Dan

------------------------------

From: Frank Gonzalez <PLPAUDIO@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:30:41 -0400
Subject: Re: 3.73 speedometer gear

John and Elizabeth Gene wrote:
>
> Help,
>      Does anyone know where I can find a speedometer gear that works in a
> TH200-4R transmission in conjunction with a 3.73 rear end gear set?
>      I have and appointment to change the rear a week from today and if I
> can't find out that the right speedometer gear is available then I will
> have to return it for a 3.42. There is a Buick Grand National listing for
> that gear set.
>       Please, if anyone can help me I would greatly appreciate. I don't
> have to be in possession of the speedometer gear immediately but must know
> of its existence before the 3.73 gear set is installed.
>       Thank you for taking the time to read this and any help you may
provide. > John > +================================+ > | John and Elizabeth
Gene        | > | mailto:gene@cybernex.net       | > |
http://www2.cybernex.net/~gene | > +================================+

John,
The H\O (87?) with that tranny used 373 gears.
Frank
70 442
71 442 w30 conv
72 Cutlass s
90 LSC

------------------------------

From: Dan Williams <dr_olds@pitnet.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:28:23 -0400
Subject: Re: olds IRC set up help

Can't help with mIRC, but there should be somebody out there who can.
Anybody?
I can help with any specifics on getting to the right
server/channel/etc.

- -Dan

>
> Jeff & Patti Kobinsky wrote:
> >
> > I'm interested in participating in the chat sessions, but am having
trouble > > connecting to the server. > > > > I'm using mIRC program. > > > >
Me to, Me to. What is mIRC and how do I get it? Help is appreciated. > Thanks, 
>
Reg

------------------------------

From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:51:07 -0400
Subject: Re: 69 H/O Rear Code

At 10:43 3/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Jim Chermack wrote:
>
>>         Sometimes you almost have to be a magician to find them. I've seen
>> them upside down and on the front of the axle tube instead of them back
>> side. Take a small wire brush and some thinner and see if that helps.
>
>Here is the million dollar question:  Is the code embossed or etched in
>the metal?
>I was looking for embossed lettering.  Maybe that is the problem.
>

    I just went down and checked the 2 rear-ends I have.  The two letter
code on them is 13 1/2 inches from the right backing plate.  The letters are
stamped in the axle tube and are1/4 of an inch in height.  Now one of them
has the code on the inboard side (toward passenger compartment) and the
other is 180 degrees opposite on the outboard side of the tube. Hope this
helps.

 Glenn
 '69 4-4-2

------------------------------

From: Glenn Connors <gpc442@buffnet.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:00:58 -0400
Subject: Re: SodaBlasting

At 15:22 3/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Does anyone have experience with using sodium bicarbonate as a blast medium?
>Can it be run through an unmodified sandblasting unit?
>
>

  I don't know.... but it would make one hell-of-a fire extinguisher I'll bet.

 Glenn
 '69 4-4-2

------------------------------

From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:13:41 -0400
Subject: Bumper to bumper

 Hello everyone!!!

Can anyone tell me where i can find both front and rear bumpers for my '77
olds Cutlass Supreme?
The front bumper is really not in bad shape at all just some light rust
discoloration; just thought i would replace it if the price was right. The
rear is a different story. On the right side it has a 6" long rust spot that
has eaten through the chrome shell and began penetrating the metal
underneath. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Replace or repair??

AAron
77' OLds Cutlass Supreme

------------------------------

From: Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:19:13 -0400
Subject: NJ '77 Cutlass Supreme owners..

Calling all cars, calling all cars.. be on the lookout for...
        Is there anyone on this mailing list that lives in NJ and drives a
'77 OLds Cutlass Supreme??
Would love to get together and compare car notes. Eamil me at
sheep542@mindspring.com

------------------------------

From: jeff antonucci <antonj@erols.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:57:41 -0400
Subject: Re: wheels for Calais

Greg,

I am looking for a set of those 16" late model cutlass wheels.  Please
let me know if you find a set.

Jeff Antonucci

------------------------------

From: James & Joanne Chermack <chermac@exis.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:30:46 -0400
Subject: Re: 2? and apart, clarification

At 10:00 PM 3/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a supplier that has bronze paint that is of the
>> right tint? The paints I have seen from the "big two" are not right.
>
>I should have been a little more specific here, obviously.  I meant 400
>engine paint for a 66.  By the "big two" I meant parts suppliers we are
>all familiar with which I would prefer not to name.  I am by and large
>satisfied with the parts and supplies they provide, but in the case of
>this paint, when original parts are compared to repainted parts there is
>a definite difference that I do not believe can be attributed to age.
>
>Steve.
>

Steve
        Have you tried Brothers Automotive? They are in ST Joseph, MO. Their
number is (816) 662-2060. Try these guys if you haven't already. Hope this
helps.

Jim Chermack
70 Cutlass SX W-32
72 442

------------------------------

From: Oldsnut1@aol.com
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:40:29 -0400
Subject: Re: IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!

I would love to show up but I'm not sure how to get there (i'm not that
computer literate)do you need any special software to get on an IRC ?
please help
thanks in advance
Anthony B.
Oldsnut1@aol
75 Hurst/Olds W-30

------------------------------

From: John Oder <jaoder@navix.net>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:44:08 -0400
Subject: New Member

Hi,

Just a short note to introduce my self, my name is John Oder and I just
picked up a 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX with the W-32 455 Automatic with
A/C.  This is the 2nd Cutlass I have owned the first was a 71 Cutlass
Supreme 350/4bbl unfortunally it was badly rusted and ended up as a
parts car for a 442 Convertible.  I hope to start restoring this car
over the next year, I am the 4th owner.  The car has 124,000 miles and
orginal paint but is badly faded, 6363 I believe is the paint code
(gold).  The interior is orginal, except I am replacing the carpet and
recovering the front buckets.  Has the standard steering wheel and the
ralley pack dash, one thing I need to know is where to send the
Tic-Tock-Tach in to have it rebuilt?   The bodys in pretty good shape
for a 27 year old car, only serious rust is under the rear wheel lip
moldings and a little showing behind the front wheel.  I am sure as I
progress with this I will have plenty of questions.


John Oder
70 Cutlass SX W-32

------------------------------

From: "jones" <jones@morgan.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:10:38 -0400
Subject: Re: IRC Tonight (TUE) and Tomorrow (Wen) at 7pm Central!

>
> I would love to show up but I'm not sure how to get there (i'm not that
> computer literate)do you need any special software to get on an IRC ?
> please help
> thanks in advance
> Anthony B.
> Oldsnut1@aol
> 75 Hurst/Olds W-30

To get on IRC you must have a IRC client ( program).  There are two popular
ones that you can download from the net for PC users and some for MAC's
too. You can search for them with Yahoo. Pirch is probably the most
popular. Download the version that fits your system.To use the 32 bit
verson you must be running Win 95 or NT. When you get it downloaded go to
Dalnet on Tussday and Wednesday. Type /join ªoldsmobile and you are in.
Maybe someone will be there. I hope this helps
Walter

------------------------------

From: Jason Labay <z28cfi@gwis.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:12:07 -0400
Subject: Re: Bumper to bumper

At 11:13 PM 3/24/97 -0400, Aaron D Eoff wrote:
> Hello everyone!!!
>
>Can anyone tell me where i can find both front and rear bumpers for my '77
>olds Cutlass Supreme?
>The front bumper is really not in bad shape at all just some light rust
>discoloration; just thought i would replace it if the price was right. The
>rear is a different story. On the right side it has a 6" long rust spot that
>has eaten through the chrome shell and began penetrating the metal
>underneath. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Replace or repair??

Dick Miller Racing sells fiberglass front and rear bumpers for 76-77 cars.
Number is 1-517-782-2102
- - - - - - - - - - - -
Jason Labay (z28cfi@gwis.com)  Akron, Ohio  F-body list since 5/95
93 Camaro Z/28: Patriot Red, A4, GU5 (3.23), PEG2, QLC, Mobil 1,
Fram HP4 oil filter, TFX cat-back, Firehawk SVX tires, blackouts (rear+t.s.)
80 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 W-30:White/Gold, 5.7L, A3, showcar, 1 of 346 made
75 Hurst/Olds W-25: White, 5.7L, A3,project car, 1 of 1293 made

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:25:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Good Welder

>Our Central Air already takes up one half of the 110, however, I do have 2
>20 amp cuircits and 2 30 amp cuircits.  Is this enough or do I need a
>designated line just for the welder.  This is my only concern.
>
>>
>> Get a welder and learn.  I would suggest a MIG as being the best for
>amateur
>> sheetmetal, but they are a bit more costly than the usual stick welding
>buzz
>> box.
>>
>> The Wiz
>>
>I hope too soon, just don't want to waste my money on something I wont need
>and miss something I will.
>
>Josh
>
>
First, your central air condition is also 220, I've never seen anything but
an 'el cheapo window unit that was 110. For this discussion I am going to
call the two 110 sides of the 220 A & B.  In most, if not all breaker
panels: If there are 2 brakers side by size (at the same level) they are on
the same A or B circuit.  From the top going down, you will find the
circuits A then B then A the etc.  Your A/C will be in two breakers, one
above the other, or it will be on a single dual circuit breaker.  When they
use seperate circuits they usually join the two levers with a little pin
that looks much like an unpointed nail, so that if one side blows it kicks
the other side off; otherwise you can have a machine trying to run on what
is called 'single phasing.'

You need to match your breaker to the requirements of the welder.

I split the wiring for the dryer, and had two range plug sockets at that
point, and kept the welder on the factory pigtail.   I just did not allow
the A/C or the dryer to be used at the same time.

The 'rule of thumb' for runing a MIG is that if you can't get a monkey, try
a human.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: Frank Gonzalez <PLPAUDIO@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:44:13 -0400
Subject: Re: New Member

Welcome John,sounds like you have a nice car there,enjoy it.You have
come to the right place for any kind of help you need for ypour
Olds.Lots of helpful folk here to give you plenty of info.
Later,
Frank
70 442
71 442 W30 convt
72 Cutlass S
90 LSC

------------------------------

From: Jeff Stanish <stanishj@svpal.org>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:53:41 -0400
Subject: Re: Air Cleaner paint

Supercars Unlimited paint seemed to be right on for me!

On Mon, 24 Mar 1997, Robert J. Lavey wrote:

> Hi Gang,
>
> What shade of orange paint should be used on the air cleaner in my 1968 442?
> Where do I buy it?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>  Robert J. Lavey                         email: rjlavey@rmci.net
>  13243 W. Dahlia Dr.                     Home:  (208) 939-5418
>  Boise, ID  83713-1302                   Fax:   (208) 939-5452
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>

------------------------------

From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 01:13:22 -0400
Subject: Re: 442 Wheels

Jason Adcock wrote:
>
> Peter L. House wrote:
> >
> > If anybody is looking for the 15 x 7 GM Chrome Oldsmobile wheels
> > that came on the 442 / Hurst in the 80's, The part number is GM
> > 22528518 I don't have the center cap number. The last time that I
> > checked the price was $300 US
> >
> > phouse@feith.com
> > 87 Cutlass Salon 70K V8 (307)
>
> For the whole set?  That's pretty good!  I was trying to look elsewhere
> for a set a while ago, but didn't look at GM because I figured they'd be
> $1000+.
>
Jason,
  Unfortunately, I think is is $300/wheel.....so it is well in excess of
a grand...anybody got any for sale cheap??  :-)

- ---Matt
'86 442

------------------------------

From: Frank Boerger <FBoerger@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 01:25:34 -0400
Subject: Good Welder

Sorry if this doesn't come through, but I'm on the road in Chicago, and
it's late.

I bought a Lincoln Weld pak 100 Mig convertible wire feed welder at Home
Depot for $ 299.  I use solid core wire (.035"), so I don't have to use
gas.  I have had very good luck with it so far, put in floor pans, patched
a wheel house, patched my rusty dash/cowl, built a welder stand, and
attached a junk yard patch panel on both quarters.  Runs on 110 v, and has
been borrowed by all my car guy friends.  They all agree that you can learn
to use it with the help of the enclosed video in an evening.  I heartily
recommend one.

Frank Boerger//Tallahassee, FL

------------------------------

From: Matthew Mayer <mmayer@interaccess.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 01:30:44 -0400
Subject: I'm outta here...

I'm going to Italy for 12 days tomorrow, so I will be on digest only for
a few weeks.  Please hold all my calls 'til I get back... ;-)

- ---Matt
'86 442
mailto:mmayer@interaccess.com

------------------------------

From: "Suzanne Rousseau" <ewok@clarkston.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 01:45:30 -0400
Subject: subscribe oldsmobile

subscribe oldsmobile

------------------------------

From: kozhill@titanlink.com (Jo-Anne Hillier)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 02:22:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Good Welder

I don't kjnow about you guys but up here in canada we have nice MIGs that
come in 110volt and they weld anything up to 1/4". I'm a welder and a body
man and I recomend them to anyone. You can get them at any welding supply
store. About 700 $ up here.
scott
kozhill@titanlink.com

------------------------------

From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 05:44:55 -0400
Subject: Neat car found on the tube

I watched a show today called "Strange Days," a flick about New Years Eve,
1999, and some computer virtual reality stuff.  Not a bad show, had some
really cool camera angles, anyway...  One scene showed a car parked in the
street.  A red mid 80's Regal RWD.  --Convertible--   Looked ~really~
clean.  I know our BOP A/G bodies didn't chop any tops, so I had to
rewind the scene a few dozen times...  Don't worry, though.  I'll have to
wait until something severly drastic happens to the roof before the Rockit
has ~that~ option!  (Of course, with ~my~ luck lately... :)

Looked at another car last week.  Late 70's Delta, or 98.  Can't remember.
20K on 455, G heads, body straight and good tires.  Guy's moving, and car
has electrical problems (He said it would have to go to someone who knows
a bit about wiring.  Gee, I guess that'd ~hafta~ be me...)  He's going to
call me sometime this week, he hadn't given any thougt to a price.  I'm
guessing $200 should put it in my driveway.  $300 can keep it in his,
though...  Olds or not, the last thing ~I~ need to do is buy ~another~
car!  (although it ~has~ been more than six months since the last one...
I guess I'm about due...  :)  Might just buy it and let my parents us it.
(It wouldn't fit in front of my house anyway)  That way by the time they
wear the body out, I'd probably have a use or need for another engine...




    brz
**We'll have to wait and see...

Better go.  Later :)

- --Charley Buehner
tSttssss  s

------------------------------

From: "C.R.F." <wizkid@inlink.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 06:09:23 -0400
Subject: Re: Good Welder

At 02:22 AM 3/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I don't kjnow about you guys but up here in canada we have nice MIGs that
>come in 110volt and they weld anything up to 1/4". I'm a welder and a body
>man and I recomend them to anyone. You can get them at any welding supply
>store. About 700 $ up here.
>scott
>kozhill@titanlink.com
>
>
1 Watt is 1 volt at 1 amp

If you need 220 Watts to run a machine, it needs 2 Amps at 110V, and 1 Amp
at 220V.

2 Amps requires much heavier wire, and put greater detrement to the system
than 1 Amp at 220V.

The 110V MIGs I've seen are not continuous duty.  If you buy one it must be
operated in an intermittant style, it, it must be turned off for the
non-operational part of the cycle.

This may be entirely satisfactory for a small home shop as described, but
operating duty must should be considered when you purchase.

'Rule of Thumb' says if you can run a machine on 220V it will give more
satisfactory performance than on that works on 110V.

The Wiz

------------------------------

From: "Robert J. Barry" <rbarry@sequent1.providence.edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 07:34:54 -0400
Subject: Re: New Member

At 10:44 PM 3/24/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Just a short note to introduce my self, my name is John Oder and I just
>picked up a 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX with the W-32 455 Automatic with
[snip]
>moldings and a little showing behind the front wheel.  I am sure as I
>progress with this I will have plenty of questions.

Welcome, John!

Sounds like you've got a nice restoration project there. We've got a few SX
owners on the list (I've got a non-W-32 1970 SX myself), so you're in good
company. Take a look at the FAQ, and then settle back and enjoy!
_______________________________________________________
Dr. Robert Barry  MailTo:RBarry@Sequent1.Providence.Edu
Theology Dept, Providence College, Providence, RI 02918

------------------------------

From: "Steve Reed" <ssreed@ibm.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:02:53 -0400
Subject: Fw: Neat car found on the tube

This message was bounced off me this morning, so I'm forwarding it to the
list.

- -Steve Reed
Austin, TX
1970 4-4-2 Ragtop

- ----------
> From: Charley Buehner <buehner@cis.nmclites.edu>
> To: oldsmobile@chebucto.ns.ca
> Cc: oldsmobile-digest@chebucto.ns.ca
> Subject: Neat car found on the tube
> Date: Tuesday, March 25, 1997 3:44 AM
>
> I watched a show today called "Strange Days," a flick about New Years
Eve,
> 1999, and some computer virtual reality stuff.  Not a bad show, had some
> really cool camera angles, anyway...  One scene showed a car parked in
the
> street.  A red mid 80's Regal RWD.  --Convertible--   Looked ~really~
> clean.  I know our BOP A/G bodies didn't chop any tops, so I had to
> rewind the scene a few dozen times...  Don't worry, though.  I'll have to
> wait until something severly drastic happens to the roof before the
Rockit
> has ~that~ option!  (Of course, with ~my~ luck lately... :)
>
> Looked at another car last week.  Late 70's Delta, or 98.  Can't
remember.
> 20K on 455, G heads, body straight and good tires.  Guy's moving, and car
> has electrical problems (He said it would have to go to someone who knows
> a bit about wiring.  Gee, I guess that'd ~hafta~ be me...)  He's going to
> call me sometime this week, he hadn't given any thougt to a price.  I'm
> guessing $200 should put it in my driveway.  $300 can keep it in his,
> though...  Olds or not, the last thing ~I~ need to do is buy ~another~
> car!  (although it ~has~ been more than six months since the last one...
> I guess I'm about due...  :)  Might just buy it and let my parents us it.
> (It wouldn't fit in front of my house anyway)  That way by the time they
> wear the body out, I'd probably have a use or need for another engine...
>
>
>
>
>     brz
> **We'll have to wait and see...
>
> Better go.  Later :)
>
> --Charley Buehner
> tSttssss  s
>

------------------------------

From: "Albert T. Montemuro" <amontemu@motown.lmco.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:36:13 -0400
Subject: New Olds / Shelby Series I

Has anyone seen the March 6th issue of Machine Design?

According to the article, Shelby American (i.e., Carroll Shelby) and Olds have
teamed up to produce a new roadster, the Shelby Series 1.  It's powered by a
modified Aurora engine and is rear wheel drive.  The article says the car
should do 0-60 in under 5 sec and have a top speed of 170.  The cars will be
sold in the US by a select group of Olds dealers with production set at less
than 500.  From the picture, it looks like a pretty cool car (a cross between
a Ferrari and that new BMW roadster).  Is it an Olds, or a Shelby, or both?

Anybody have any more info (like how many $$)?

 ___
| | | Al Montemuro
| | | '89 Trofeo
|/|\|
|_|_|


------------------------------

From: Frank Boerger <FBoerger@compuserve.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:45:28 -0400
Subject: Good Welder

I meant flux-cored wire...

Frank Boerger

------------------------------

From: "Albert T. Montemuro" <amontemu@motown.lmco.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:53:00 -0400
Subject: Trofeo Auto Lock Problem

Help, I think my '89 Trofeo is posessed!

I'm having an intermittent problem with the automatic locks on my Trofeo.
They are supposed to lock when the car is shifted out of park and unlock when
it's shifted into park.  About 50% of the time, they lock OK but then
continue to try to lock every 20-30 seconds. It's really annoying.  Also,
while they're continually locking, both power lock switches are inoperable.
I have to unlock the doors manually but have to time it right before they lock
 themselves again.  After I turn off the car it does it a couple more times
and then it's OK again.  And, when it works, it works fine.

Also, my '87 Toro manual (don't have an '89 manual) says the auto lock module
is under the passenger seat, but I can't find it!

Anybody got any ideas or know any good exorcists?

thanks,
atm
 ___ -----------------------------------------------
| | | Al Montemuro
| | | '89 Trofeo
|/|\|
|_|_|
     -----------------------------------------------

------------------------------

From: katana72@juno.com (Rob T)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:33:16 -0400
Subject: Re: Bumper to bumper

I have a guy here in MN that hasa real good rear bumper for your 77
Cutlass. He also has an entire front clip for that year Cutlass. E-mail
me at Katana72 @ Juno. com for his number.

Rob Turner

On Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:13:41 -0400 Aaron D Eoff <sheep542@mindspring.com>
writes:
>Can anyone tell me where i can find both front and rear bumpers for my
>'77
>olds Cutlass Supreme?
>AAron
>77' OLds Cutlass Supreme
>
>
>

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From: Lloyd Culp <bculp@hiwaay.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 03:30:57 -0400
Subject: Re: Neat car found on the tube

Charley Buehner wrote:
>
> I watched a show today called "Strange Days," a flick about New Years Eve,
> 1999, and some computer virtual reality stuff.  Not a bad show, had some
> really cool camera angles, anyway...  One scene showed a car parked in the
> street.  A red mid 80's Regal RWD.  --Convertible--   Looked ~really~
> clean.  I know our BOP A/G bodies didn't chop any tops, so I had to
> rewind the scene a few dozen times...  Don't worry, though.  I'll have to
> wait until something severly drastic happens to the roof before the Rockit
> has ~that~ option!  (Of course, with ~my~ luck lately... :)
>
>
>
>     brz
> **We'll have to wait and see...
>
> Better go.  Later :)
>
> --Charley Buehner
> tSttssss  s

Charley,

I sent some pictures of a G body Cutlass convertible to Bryceman a while
ago.  I believe that it was made by one of those conversion companies in
FL.  The car was for sale at the Birmingham auction a couple of years
ago.  It looked very nice w/the top down & the boot in place.  I don't
know what it looked like w/the top up.

The interior was entirely stock looking.  The rear seat had been
narrowed & upholstered just as the original.  The rear quarter interior
panels were harmonious w/the rest of the interior.  The top boot area
was finished w/a stainless surround just as the common convertibles of
the sixties.

Bill Culp
Decatur, Alabama

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From: pteubel@safety1st.com (Peter Teubel)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:44:18 -0400
Subject: Re: Good Welder

     I too have this welder and its works great.  Its also "upgradeable" if
     you want to use shielding gas.  It hold a full 10 lb reel of wire,
     too.




     Peter G. Teubel
     pteubel@safety1st.com
     '51 98
     '52 Plymouth
     '73 Imperial LeBaron (soon)
     '82 98
     '84 C10
     '86 Ciera (Wife's car)



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_________________________________ Subject: Good Welder Author:  Frank Boerger
<FBoerger@CompuServe.COM> at imail Date:    3/25/97 1:25 AM


Sorry if this doesn't come through, but I'm on the road in Chicago, and
it's late.

I bought a Lincoln Weld pak 100 Mig convertible wire feed welder at Home
Depot for $ 299.  I use solid core wire (.035"), so I don't have to use
gas.  I have had very good luck with it so far, put in floor pans, patched
a wheel house, patched my rusty dash/cowl, built a welder stand, and
attached a junk yard patch panel on both quarters.  Runs on 110 v, and has
been borrowed by all my car guy friends.  They all agree that you can learn
to use it with the help of the enclosed video in an evening.  I heartily
recommend one.

Frank Boerger//Tallahassee, FL


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From: "Mike Coccagna" <mikec@oz.kis.net>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 04:51:52 -0400
Subject: Re: Trofeo Auto Lock Problem

Albert,

Do you have the wireless remote option for your doors (with the
little key fob)?  My '89 Supreme had it, so I assume you do too.  I
had a simular problem on my 442, and traced it to the wireless remote
control unit in the trunk.  Its found around the wheel wells - check
your owners manual on where the connector is to reprogram the remote,
and trace it to the control unit.

Some suggestions to look for:
1)   the remote plug may be grounding out
and the locks cycle when that occurs
(its in program mode)
2)The control unit could be getting wet from
a leaky trunk seal.  The water does wonders for
electonics....
3)The plug could be loose.

Of course, if you don't have the wireless remote, this is all wasted.

BTW, aren't the '86 and '89 Toros a LOT different?  I thought the '89
was the last body style for the Toro, while the '86 was the small,
compact Calais (FWD) look-a-like....

Mike
'91 W-40 442 (Previously possessed by the lock demons)
'93 W-41 SCX


On 25 Mar 97 at 11:53, Albert T. Montemuro wrote:

> Help, I think my '89 Trofeo is posessed!
>
> I'm having an intermittent problem with the automatic locks on my
> Trofeo.  They are supposed to lock when the car is shifted out of
> park and unlock when it's shifted into park.  About 50% of the time,
> they lock OK but then continue to try to lock every 20-30 seconds.
> It's really annoying.  Also, while they're continually locking, both
> power lock switches are inoperable.  I have to unlock the doors
> manually but have to time it right before they lock themselves
> again.  After I turn off the car it does it a couple more times and
> then it's OK again.  And, when it works, it works fine.
>
> Also, my '87 Toro manual (don't have an '89 manual) says the auto
> lock module is under the passenger seat, but I can't find it!
>
> Anybody got any ideas or know any good exorcists?
>
> thanks,
> atm
>  ___ -----------------------------------------------
> | | | Al Montemuro
> | | | '89 Trofeo
> |/|\|
> |_|_|
>      -----------------------------------------------
>
>
>

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From: "Albert T. Montemuro" <amontemu@motown.lmco.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:11:12 -0400
Subject: Re: Trofeo Auto Lock Problem

- --- On Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:51:52 +0000  Mike Coccagna <mikec@oz.kis.net>
wrote:

>Do you have the wireless remote option for your doors (with the
>little key fob)?  My '89 Supreme had it, so I assume you do too.  I

No, I wanted it. but it wasn't available on the '89s.

>Of course, if you don't have the wireless remote, this is all wasted.

Thanks anyway...


>BTW, aren't the '86 and '89 Toros a LOT different?  I thought the '89
>was the last body style for the Toro, while the '86 was the small,
>compact Calais (FWD) look-a-like....

The '90 was the start of the last body style, the '86s-'89s were the
FWD Calais big brother...


atm
  ___ -----------------------------------------------
 | | | Al Montemuro
 | | | '89 Trofeo
 |/|\|
 |_|_|
      -----------------------------------------------


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From: "JOHN L. BERENYI" <berenyi@texas.dseg.ti.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:39:17 -0400
Subject: ***** Priced to sell or trade 1967 Cutlass *******

JOHN L. BERENYI wrote:

I originally wanted about $3000 and I'm lowering to $1995 for the car.
I will also consider trades for a vehicle like a Toyota Camry or Honda
Accord plus cash.  If interested I will Email details on car.  Much has
been done to it.  Its a 2 door hdtp completely gone through with much
rebuilt including engine, transmission, and interior.  I will throw in
an extra set of SSII rally wheels upon sale. Located in Dallas, Texas.


John (berenyi@texas.dseg.ti.com)

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From: "Chris Sparks (Mr. Ada)" <sparks@aisf.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:34:28 -0400
Subject: Re: New Member

John Oder wrote:

> Just a short note to introduce my self, my name is John Oder and I just
> picked up a 1970 Cutlass Supreme SX with the W-32 455 Automatic with

Congrats!

> A/C.  This is the 2nd Cutlass I have owned the first was a 71 Cutlass
> Supreme 350/4bbl unfortunally it was badly rusted and ended up as a
> parts car for a 442 Convertible.  I hope to start restoring this car
> over the next year, I am the 4th owner.  The car has 124,000 miles and
> orginal paint but is badly faded, 6363 I believe is the paint code

Check out the site: http://members.aol.com/drewinva/chip1.html

> (gold).  The interior is orginal, except I am replacing the carpet and
> recovering the front buckets.  Has the standard steering wheel and the
> ralley pack dash, one thing I need to know is where to send the
> Tic-Tock-Tach in to have it rebuilt?   The bodys in pretty good shape

Send it to me at ...  Sorry I couldn't resist.  I am envious...

> for a 27 year old car, only serious rust is under the rear wheel lip
> moldings and a little showing behind the front wheel.  I am sure as I
> progress with this I will have plenty of questions.

Welcome to the list and ask away...

Chris Sparks
68 442

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From: Gerald Hughes <ghughes@cadvansys.com>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 10:55:45 -0400
Subject: 1979 455

Hey all!
Has anyone been a witness to a 455 being put into a 1979 G Body?  What
are the complications and requirements?

I know it's been done in the 81's, but I think there are some minute
differences that prevent me from using that year as a guideline.

Any info would be appreciated.
- --
Gerald Hughes

79 Hurst/Olds
79 Bradley GT
84 Bronco XLT

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From: Clayton Pierce <zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu>
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:12:04 -0400
Subject: RE: 1979 455

Actually, I was under the opinion that the 455 is EASIER to put in the
pre-81 cars as they had more room!  I swapped a 350 rocket into my '84
Cutlass, and it was obvious that the car was not "MADE" for a 350, your
car, however, was, and I think that the 455 is almost a straight bolt in
for your curr. motor!  I think you can even use the original frame mounts
for the motor if I'm not mistaken!  I had to shorten the driveshaft to get
the transmission to fit with mine, but that was the worst of it, other
than that, the 350/TH375 combo (which isn't THAT much smaller than a 455)
LITERALLY fell into place! Oh, and I couldn't clear a manual fan so I
converted to electrical.

Peace, Goodwill, and Happy Oldsmobilling,
Clayton Pierce,
zcwp11@Access.ETSU-Tn.Edu

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